ES2002a B FEE005 1 50.163 51.198 50.42 50.99 Okay . 50.99 ES2002a B FEE005 1 53.487 54.269 53.56 53.96 Right . 53.96 ES2002a B FEE005 1 55.415 77.456 55.415 77.29 Um well this is the kick-off meeting for our our project . Um and um this is just what we're gonna be doing over the next twenty five minutes . Um so first of all , just to kind of make sure that we all know each other , I'm Laura and I'm the project manager . Do you want to introduce yourself again ? 60.35 67.55 69.85 72.79 74.42 77.29 ES2002a D MEE008 3 66.942 67.755 67.21 67.45 Mm-hmm . 67.45 ES2002a D MEE008 3 74.71 75.413 74.89 75.24 Great . 75.24 ES2002a A MEE006 0 77.408 80.955 77.44 80.87 Hi , I'm David and I'm supposed to be an industrial designer . 77.74 80.87 ES2002a B FEE005 1 80.736 81.296 80.81 81.26 Okay . 81.26 ES2002a D MEE008 3 81.575 84.576 82.08 84.46 And I'm Andrew and I'm uh our marketing - ES2002a C MEE007 2 85.509 88.982 85.99 88.71 Um I'm Craig and I'm User Interface . 88.71 ES2002a D MEE008 3 86.048 86.912 86.07 86.5 expert . 86.5 ES2002a B FEE005 1 89.28 102.283 89.3 101.76 Great . Okay . Um so we're designing a new remote control and um Oh I have to record who's here actually . So that's David , Andrew and Craig , isn't it ? 90.01 92.48 98.57 100.5 101.34 101.76 ES2002a B FEE005 1 104.864 106.64 104.89 106.58 And you all arrived on time . 106.58 ES2002a B FEE005 1 108.672 132.57 108.96 132.03 Um yeah so des uh design a new remote control . Um , as you can see it's supposed to be original , trendy and user friendly . Um so that's kind of our our brief , as it were . Um and so there are three different stages to the design . Um I'm not really sure what what you guys have already received um in your emails . What did you get ? 111.72 111.91 114.42 116.66 120.7 120.98 126.12 131.36 132.03 ES2002a A MEE006 0 132.38 142.056 132.57 141.98 Um , I just got the project announcement about what the project is . Designing a remote control . That's about it , didn't get anything else . Did you get the same thing ? 133.22 136.68 138.2 139.15 140.77 141.98 ES2002a B FEE005 1 135.056 135.472 135.08 135.44 Mm-hmm . 135.44 ES2002a D MEE008 3 136.827 137.648 137.12 137.39 Mm-hmm . 137.39 ES2002a D MEE008 3 138.631 140.773 138.96 140.56 Mm-hmm . Yeah , that's that's it . 139.51 139.75 140.56 ES2002a B FEE005 1 139.896 167.393 140.1 167.31 Is that what everybody got ? Okay . Um . So we're gonna have like individual work and then a meeting about it . And repeat that process three times . Um and at this point we get try out the whiteboard over there . Um . So uh you get to draw your favourite animal and sum up your favourite characteristics of it . So who would like to go first ? 141.53 142.66 144.43 147.92 151.79 158.41 159.59 165.91 167.31 ES2002a C MEE007 2 140.216 141.067 140.47 140.83 Yeah . 140.83 ES2002a D MEE008 3 141.776 142.064 141.8 141.95 Yeah . 141.95 ES2002a D MEE008 3 166.485 168.368 166.67 167.81 I will go . That's fine . 167.36 167.81 ES2002a B FEE005 1 167.824 169.072 167.84 169.072 Very good . 168.84 ES2002a D MEE008 3 173.936 176.816 174.2 176.816 Alright . So 176.12 ES2002a D MEE008 3 181.36 182.576 181.39 182.34 This one here , right ? 181.92 182.34 ES2002a B FEE005 1 182.994 184.513 183.26 184.24 Mm-hmm . 184.24 ES2002a D MEE008 3 183.728 188.384 183.93 188.35 Okay . Very nice . Alright . My favourite animal 185.34 186.46 187.46 ES2002a D MEE008 3 189.968 192.021 190.01 192.021 is like - ES2002a D MEE008 3 203.23 204.304 203.45 204.24 A beagle . 204.24 ES2002a D MEE008 3 211.712 242.464 211.97 242.41 Um charac favourite characteristics of it ? Is that right ? Uh , right , well basically um high priority for any animal for me is that they be willing to take a lot of physical affection from their family . And , yeah that they have lots of personality and uh be fit and in robust good health . So this is blue . Blue beagle . My family's beagle . 214.88 216.46 216.87 217.07 229.16 231.1 237.96 239.85 241.42 242.41 ES2002a B FEE005 1 215.784 216.968 215.95 216.77 Yeah . Yeah . 216.6 216.77 ES2002a B FEE005 1 243.376 245.744 243.4 245.744 Right . Lovely . 244.71 245.7 ES2002a C MEE007 2 254.613 257.68 255.07 257.26 Well , my favourite animal would be a monkey . 255.31 257.26 ES2002a C MEE007 2 267.717 274.048 268.0 273.99 Then they're small cute and furry , and uh when planet of the apes becomes real , I'm gonna be up there with them . 270.01 272.57 273.99 ES2002a B FEE005 1 275.648 276.24 275.67 276.02 Right . 276.02 ES2002a A MEE006 0 275.672 276.227 275.83 276.15 Cool . 276.15 ES2002a A MEE006 0 280.439 282.696 280.75 282.696 There's too much gear . 282.65 ES2002a B FEE005 1 285.936 293.408 285.96 293.37 You can take as long over this as you like , because we haven't got an awful lot to discuss . Ok oh we do we do . Don't feel like you're in a rush , anyway . 287.73 290.31 291.76 292.94 293.37 ES2002a A MEE006 0 293.138 294.656 293.26 294.25 Okay . 294.25 ES2002a D MEE008 3 295.68 301.248 296.02 301.248 I coulda told you a whole lot more about beagles . Boy , let me tell you . 298.03 298.14 300.92 ES2002a B FEE005 1 297.92 300.658 297.94 300.43 Ach why not We might have to get you up again then . 300.43 ES2002a B FEE005 1 300.658 303.875 301.14 303.58 I don't know what mine is . I'm gonna have to think on the spot now . 302.11 303.58 ES2002a D MEE008 3 306.976 307.936 307.06 307.9 Impressionist . 307.9 ES2002a A MEE006 0 309.36 311.028 309.38 311.028 Can't draw . 310.85 ES2002a B FEE005 1 311.952 315.6 312.05 315.6 Is that a whale ? 315.13 ES2002a A MEE006 0 311.996 312.95 312.06 312.84 Um . 312.84 ES2002a A MEE006 0 312.95 313.579 313.09 313.52 Yeah . 313.52 ES2002a A MEE006 0 318.564 331.677 318.58 331.57 Um , well anyway , I don't know , it's just the first animal I can think off the top of my head . Um . Yes . Big reason is 'cause I'm allergic to most animals . Allergic to animal fur , so um fish was a natural choice . 320.03 321.53 321.88 324.11 325.0 325.43 327.86 328.76 331.57 ES2002a B FEE005 1 327.744 328.643 327.91 328.53 Ah . 328.53 ES2002a A MEE006 0 331.677 338.036 332.03 338.036 Um , yeah , and I kind of like whales . They come in and go eat everything in sight . 332.82 333.1 334.32 337.7 ES2002a D MEE008 3 337.987 339.16 337.987 339.05 Alright . 339.05 ES2002a A MEE006 0 338.036 341.735 338.22 341.52 And they're quite harmless and mild and interesting . 341.52 ES2002a D MEE008 3 341.808 342.256 341.85 342.2 Mm . 342.2 ES2002a B FEE005 1 342.4 346.88 342.42 346.85 Okay . God , I still don't know what I'm gonna write about . Um . 343.63 343.81 346.39 346.85 ES2002a D MEE008 3 349.632 350.896 349.66 350.84 Superb sketch , by the way . 350.46 350.84 ES2002a A MEE006 0 351.686 355.385 351.686 355.385 Tail's a bit big , I think . 354.53 355.11 ES2002a B FEE005 1 354.256 364.96 354.91 364.96 I was gonna choose a dog as well . But I'll just draw a different kind of dog . M my favourite animal is my own dog at home . Um 357.54 360.21 364.23 ES2002a D MEE008 3 359.6 360.0 359.62 359.9 Yep . 359.9 ES2002a B FEE005 1 366.992 368.672 367.01 368.63 That doesn't really look like him , actually . 368.15 368.63 ES2002a B FEE005 1 372.922 374.752 373.3 374.72 He looks more like a pig , actually . 374.22 374.72 ES2002a B FEE005 1 375.609 376.512 375.84 376.27 Ah well . 376.27 ES2002a D MEE008 3 378.432 380.176 378.46 380.14 I see a dog in there . Yep . 379.99 380.14 ES2002a B FEE005 1 379.504 381.008 379.52 380.97 Do you ? Oh that's very good of you . 380.06 380.97 ES2002a D MEE008 3 382.8 383.712 382.82 383.68 Now I see a rooster . 383.68 ES2002a B FEE005 1 388.224 389.14 388.27 389.07 Uh . 389.07 ES2002a D MEE008 3 393.376 394.336 393.42 394.21 What kind is it ? 394.21 ES2002a B FEE005 1 394.352 413.936 394.87 413.936 Um he's a mixture of uh various things . Um and what do I like about him , um That's just to suggest that his tail wags . Um he's very friendly and cheery and always pleased to see you , and very kind of affectionate and um 398.71 401.36 405.71 409.2 ES2002a B FEE005 1 413.936 422.256 415.0 422.22 uh and he's quite quite wee as well so you know he can doesn't take up too much space . Um 421.48 ES2002a B FEE005 1 425.419 431.78 425.56 431.78 and uh And he does a funny thing where he chases his tail as well , which is quite amusing , so 430.28 431.32 ES2002a D MEE008 3 431.248 433.472 431.27 433.44 Is he aware that th it's his own cha tail he's chasing ? 433.44 ES2002a B FEE005 1 433.808 442.012 433.83 441.92 It is . I think it is . He only does it after he's had his dinner and um he'll just all of a sudden just get up and start chasing his tail 'round the living room . 434.2 434.67 441.92 ES2002a D MEE008 3 440.059 440.675 440.33 440.47 Hmm . 440.47 ES2002a A MEE006 0 440.382 443.264 440.382 443.21 It's an after dinner dog then . 443.21 ES2002a B FEE005 1 443.552 445.502 443.59 445.502 Yeah , so uh 444.02 ES2002a D MEE008 3 444.032 448.784 444.05 448.71 Probably when he was little he got lots of attention for doing it and has forever been conditioned . 448.71 ES2002a B FEE005 1 447.055 448.165 447.15 448.08 Yeah , maybe . 447.47 448.08 ES2002a B FEE005 1 448.976 453.696 449.0 453.61 Maybe . Right , um where did you find this ? Just down here ? Yeah . 450.7 450.84 452.3 453.39 453.61 ES2002a B FEE005 1 455.424 456.875 455.51 456.76 Okay . 456.76 ES2002a B FEE005 1 458.294 463.024 458.294 462.97 Um what are we doing next ? Uh um . 462.47 462.97 ES2002a B FEE005 1 465.488 470.72 465.51 470.66 Okay , uh we now need to discuss the project finance . Um 466.02 470.01 ES2002a B FEE005 1 472.0 495.072 472.41 495.0 so according to the brief um we're gonna be selling this remote control for twenty five Euro , um and we're aiming to make fifty million Euro . Um so we're gonna be selling this on an international scale . And uh we don't want it to cost any more than uh twelve fifty Euros , so fifty percent of the selling price . 476.53 482.77 487.21 491.96 495.0 ES2002a D MEE008 3 488.347 489.05 488.56 488.91 'Kay . 488.91 ES2002a D MEE008 3 496.0 497.696 496.02 497.6 Um , can we just go over that again ? 496.6 497.6 ES2002a B FEE005 1 497.968 498.496 497.99 498.46 Sure . 498.46 ES2002a D MEE008 3 499.136 504.18 499.16 504.1 Uh , so bas at twel Alright , yeah . Okay . 499.8 502.42 503.79 504.1 ES2002a D MEE008 3 505.264 514.032 505.28 514.0 So cost like production cost is twelve fifty , but selling price is is that wholesale or retail ? Like on the shelf . 509.26 513.06 514.0 ES2002a B FEE005 1 508.0 509.632 508.17 508.92 All together . 508.92 ES2002a B FEE005 1 514.256 519.003 515.16 518.91 Um I dunno . I imagine That's a good question . 516.78 518.91 ES2002a D MEE008 3 518.288 522.608 518.31 522.57 Our sale our sale anyway . Yeah , okay okay . 520.65 521.09 522.57 ES2002a B FEE005 1 519.648 522.96 519.67 522.91 I imagine it probably is our sale actually because it's probably up to the - ES2002a B FEE005 1 524.192 530.24 524.21 530.2 the um the retailer to uh sell it for whatever price they want . Um . 529.56 530.2 ES2002a D MEE008 3 526.768 527.088 526.79 527.05 Okay . 527.05 ES2002a D MEE008 3 528.864 529.184 528.9 529.14 Mm-hmm . 529.14 ES2002a D MEE008 3 531.456 531.84 531.58 531.81 Alright . 531.81 ES2002a B FEE005 1 531.619 538.304 531.83 538.19 But I I don't know , I mean do you think the fact that it's going to be sold internationally will have a bearing on how we design it at all ? 532.46 538.19 ES2002a D MEE008 3 538.752 539.424 538.77 539.424 Yes . 539.13 ES2002a B FEE005 1 539.175 542.208 539.31 542.15 Think it will ? Um . 541.17 542.15 ES2002a D MEE008 3 540.656 540.992 540.69 540.94 Mm-hmm . 540.94 ES2002a D MEE008 3 543.808 544.16 543.86 544.12 Mm-hmm . 544.12 ES2002a B FEE005 1 544.544 546.512 544.544 546.06 Hmm . 546.06 ES2002a D MEE008 3 548.256 565.629 548.28 565.35 Well right away I'm wondering if there's um th th uh , like with D_V_D_ players , if there are zones . Um f frequencies or something um as well as uh characters , um different uh keypad styles and s symbols . 551.46 552.53 554.28 561.17 565.35 ES2002a B FEE005 1 553.712 558.096 553.78 558.06 Oh yeah , regions and stuff , yeah . Yeah . Okay . 554.46 555.43 556.62 557.56 558.06 ES2002a A MEE006 0 564.988 565.506 565.05 565.32 Hmm . 565.32 ES2002a B FEE005 1 564.961 571.04 565.13 571.01 Yeah . Well for a remote control , do you think that will be I suppose it's depends on how complicated our remote control is . 565.93 566.84 571.01 ES2002a D MEE008 3 565.629 566.8 566.17 566.7 Um . 566.7 ES2002a D MEE008 3 568.416 568.88 568.46 568.83 I don't know . 568.83 ES2002a D MEE008 3 571.128 571.868 571.22 571.58 Yeah . 571.58 ES2002a A MEE006 0 571.68 580.249 571.74 580.21 It does make sense from maybe the design point of view 'cause you have more complicated characters like European languages , then you need more buttons . 579.25 580.21 ES2002a B FEE005 1 580.4 584.224 580.42 583.9 Yeah , yeah . Okay . 581.33 583.04 583.9 ES2002a D MEE008 3 580.64 580.976 580.66 580.94 Yeah . 580.94 ES2002a A MEE006 0 581.099 582.774 581.3 582.52 So , possibly . 581.96 582.52 ES2002a D MEE008 3 582.109 588.88 582.33 588.82 Yeah . And then a and then al the other thing international is on top of the price . I'm thinking 583.5 587.78 ES2002a D MEE008 3 590.976 596.832 591.0 596.832 the price might might appeal to a certain market in one region , whereas in another it'll be different , so 595.06 596.52 ES2002a B FEE005 1 597.433 603.794 597.79 603.43 What , just like in terms of like the wealth of the country ? Like how much money people have to spend on things like ? 597.95 600.43 603.43 ES2002a D MEE008 3 598.24 600.064 598.26 600.064 Just a chara just a characteristic of the - ES2002a D MEE008 3 600.901 601.845 601.09 601.845 Just - ES2002a D MEE008 3 602.848 616.976 602.87 616.94 Or just like , basic product podi positioning , the twenty five Euro remote control might be a big hit in London , might not be such a big hit in Greece , who knows , something like that , yeah . 604.08 606.29 611.16 615.2 615.98 616.77 616.94 ES2002a B FEE005 1 615.094 617.312 615.74 617.28 Aye , I see what you mean , yeah . 615.98 616.91 617.28 ES2002a B FEE005 1 618.48 625.024 619.01 624.87 Marketing . Good marketing thoughts . Oh gosh , I should be writing all this down . Um . 620.06 621.09 621.49 623.26 624.87 ES2002a D MEE008 3 620.167 620.833 620.48 620.64 Yep . 620.64 ES2002a D MEE008 3 655.045 669.2 655.45 669.16 Right away I'm making some kind of assumptions about what what information we're given here , thinking , 'kay trendy probably means something other than just basic , something other than just standard . Um 660.71 662.11 665.64 668.59 ES2002a B FEE005 1 660.634 661.337 660.7 661.22 Mm . 661.22 ES2002a B FEE005 1 665.209 665.875 665.36 665.84 Yeah . 665.84 ES2002a D MEE008 3 670.288 677.852 670.31 677.852 so I'm wondering right away , is selling twenty five Euros , is that sort of the thi is this gonna to be like the premium product kinda thing or 672.15 673.51 ES2002a B FEE005 1 676.784 680.576 677.15 680.53 Yeah , yeah . Like how much does , you know , a remote control cost . 677.5 677.66 678.79 679.08 680.53 ES2002a D MEE008 3 680.496 680.848 680.52 680.81 Uh-huh . 680.81 ES2002a B FEE005 1 681.439 683.856 681.66 683.81 Well twenty five Euro , I mean that's um 682.58 ES2002a B FEE005 1 684.88 691.719 684.9 691.58 that's about like eighteen pounds or something , isn't it ? Or no , is it as much as that ? Sixteen seventeen eighteen pounds . 687.09 687.81 688.04 689.7 691.58 ES2002a D MEE008 3 687.392 688.284 687.72 688.11 Mm-hmm . 688.11 ES2002a D MEE008 3 689.468 690.064 689.77 689.98 Yep . 689.98 ES2002a D MEE008 3 691.136 692.016 691.16 691.97 Yeah , I'd say so , yeah . 691.33 691.82 691.97 ES2002a B FEE005 1 692.368 700.448 692.42 700.41 Um , I dunno , I've never bought a remote control , so I don't know how how good a remote control that would get you . Um . 693.79 694.16 695.53 699.52 700.41 ES2002a D MEE008 3 696.208 696.672 696.23 696.58 No . 696.58 ES2002a D MEE008 3 697.952 702.08 697.98 702.08 Yeah , yeah . 699.19 702.01 ES2002a B FEE005 1 702.0 705.04 702.02 705.01 But yeah , I suppose it has to look kind of cool and gimmicky . 702.24 705.01 ES2002a D MEE008 3 704.0 704.464 704.03 704.41 Mm-hmm . 704.41 ES2002a B FEE005 1 706.032 710.24 707.1 710.07 Um right , okay . 709.75 710.07 ES2002a B FEE005 1 711.408 721.472 711.43 721.44 Let me just scoot on ahead here . Okay . Um well d Does anybody have anything to add to uh to the finance issue at all ? 713.81 714.96 721.44 ES2002a D MEE008 3 722.384 727.056 722.77 727.01 Do we have any other background information on like how that compares to other - ES2002a B FEE005 1 722.668 723.149 722.81 723.0 Thin - ES2002a B FEE005 1 726.992 733.12 727.65 732.87 No , actually . That would be useful , though , wouldn't it , if you knew like what your money would get you now . 727.91 728.32 729.3 729.45 729.81 732.87 ES2002a D MEE008 3 728.32 729.232 728.35 729.232 other - ES2002a D MEE008 3 730.656 731.104 730.73 731.07 Yeah . 731.07 ES2002a A MEE006 0 732.288 732.773 732.32 732.54 Hmm . 732.54 ES2002a D MEE008 3 734.688 735.12 734.73 735.08 Mm-hmm . 735.08 ES2002a B FEE005 1 735.072 735.776 735.11 735.7 Mm-hmm . 735.7 ES2002a D MEE008 3 753.648 773.488 753.67 773.41 Yeah , interesting thing about discussing um production of a remote control for me is that l as you point out , I just don't think of remote controls as somethin something people consciously assess in their purchasing habits . It's just like getting shoelaces with shoes or something . It just comes along . 754.22 760.59 767.74 772.49 773.41 ES2002a B FEE005 1 767.535 768.423 767.69 768.25 Yeah , yeah . 768.01 768.25 ES2002a B FEE005 1 771.863 772.233 772.01 772.14 Oh . 772.14 ES2002a B FEE005 1 772.784 777.088 772.8 776.97 Five minutes to end of meeting . Oh , okay . We're a bit behind . 774.17 774.55 775.33 776.97 ES2002a D MEE008 3 776.096 793.664 776.12 793.63 Do you know what I mean ? Like so sort of like how do you I I mean one one way of looking at it would be , well the people producing television sets , maybe they have to buy remote controls . Or another way is maybe people who have T_V_ sets are really fed up with their remote control and they really want a better one or something . 777.67 780.91 784.1 786.49 793.63 ES2002a C MEE007 2 776.735 777.955 776.735 777.89 Yeah . 777.89 ES2002a A MEE006 0 777.676 778.268 777.7 778.02 Yeah . 778.02 ES2002a C MEE007 2 792.33 793.327 792.52 793.327 I know um - ES2002a C MEE007 2 794.496 804.368 794.52 804.33 My parents went out and bought um remote controls because um they got fed up of having four or five different remote controls for each things the house . So um for them it was just how many devices control . 801.38 804.33 ES2002a D MEE008 3 794.262 795.162 794.53 795.162 But - ES2002a D MEE008 3 799.856 802.454 799.88 802.454 Right . Right . Okay so 800.71 801.75 ES2002a D MEE008 3 804.448 810.448 804.47 810.448 Right , so in function one of the priorities might be to combine as many uses 804.72 ES2002a B FEE005 1 806.193 807.178 806.46 806.98 Yeah . 806.98 ES2002a B FEE005 1 811.456 821.12 811.51 820.83 Right , so do you think that should be like a main design aim of our remote control d you know , do your your satellite and your regular telly and your V_C_R_ and everything ? 811.75 815.56 820.83 ES2002a D MEE008 3 814.779 817.072 814.98 817.04 I think so . Yeah , yeah . 815.81 816.77 817.04 ES2002a D MEE008 3 818.432 818.704 818.45 818.67 Yeah . 818.67 ES2002a D MEE008 3 819.675 834.128 819.79 834.09 Well like um , maybe what we could use is a sort of like a example of a successful other piece technology is palm palm pilots . They're gone from being just like little sort of scribble boards to cameras , M_P_ three players , telephones , 821.05 828.28 832.16 833.28 834.09 ES2002a B FEE005 1 832.604 833.36 832.76 833.2 Mm-hmm . 833.2 ES2002a D MEE008 3 835.2 844.096 835.22 844.096 everything , agenda . So , like , I wonder if we might add something new to the to the remote control market , such as the lighting in your house , or um 835.54 836.31 836.63 836.78 840.68 842.44 ES2002a B FEE005 1 839.536 841.047 839.536 840.69 Yeah . 840.69 ES2002a B FEE005 1 843.7 853.222 843.99 853.03 Or even like , you know , notes about um what you wanna watch . Like you might put in there oh I want to watch such and such and look a Oh that's a good idea . So extra functionalities . 844.66 844.9 847.62 851.55 853.03 ES2002a D MEE008 3 849.056 851.456 849.08 851.42 Yeah , yeah . An 849.78 851.06 ES2002a D MEE008 3 852.768 870.336 852.79 870.27 Yeah . Like , p personally for me , at home I've I've combined the um the audio video of my television set and my D_V_D_ player and my C_D_ player . So they w all work actually function together but I have different remote controls for each of them . So it's sort of ironic that that then they're in there 853.54 853.77 854.85 862.9 866.91 ES2002a B FEE005 1 866.257 867.448 866.59 867.24 Mm-hmm . 867.24 ES2002a D MEE008 3 871.968 872.592 872.03 872.56 um - ES2002a D MEE008 3 873.92 877.808 874.02 877.77 you know , the sound and everything it's just one system . But each one's got its own little 874.3 876.45 ES2002a B FEE005 1 876.643 877.747 876.88 877.46 Hmm . 877.46 ES2002a D MEE008 3 878.928 879.328 878.95 879.22 part . 879.22 ES2002a B FEE005 1 881.872 903.096 883.05 902.62 Um okay , uh I'd wel we're gonna have to wrap up pretty quickly in the next couple of minutes . Um I'll just check we've nothing else . Okay . Um so anything else anybody wants to add about what they don't like about remote controls they've used , what they would really like to be part of this new one at all ? 885.66 889.88 891.96 892.58 898.27 902.62 ES2002a A MEE006 0 903.056 904.016 903.08 903.98 And you keep losing them . 903.98 ES2002a B FEE005 1 904.384 906.112 904.6 906.08 You keep losing them . Okay . 905.58 906.08 ES2002a D MEE008 3 904.547 905.324 904.75 905.26 Mm . 905.26 ES2002a A MEE006 0 906.432 914.496 906.45 914.44 Finding them is really a pain , you know . I mean it's usually quite small , or when you want it right , it slipped behind the couch or it's kicked under the table . 908.12 908.59 910.62 911.66 914.44 ES2002a D MEE008 3 907.44 909.296 907.47 909.26 Mm . Mm . 908.84 909.26 ES2002a D MEE008 3 911.072 912.144 911.1 912.1 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 911.79 912.1 ES2002a B FEE005 1 912.985 922.576 913.17 922.53 Yeah . W You get those ones where you can , if you like , whistle or make a really high pitched noise they beep . There I mean is that something we'd want to include , do you think ? 914.71 916.63 917.09 920.04 922.09 922.53 ES2002a D MEE008 3 913.2 913.616 913.22 913.58 Yeah . 913.58 ES2002a D MEE008 3 914.752 915.168 914.77 915.13 Yeah . 915.13 ES2002a A MEE006 0 915.38 916.194 915.45 916.11 You know . 916.11 ES2002a D MEE008 3 915.825 917.386 916.12 916.97 That's just really good id - ES2002a D MEE008 3 919.264 919.744 919.28 919.69 Yep . 919.69 ES2002a D MEE008 3 924.272 953.04 924.35 952.63 Uh , sure . I remember when the first remote control my my family had was on a cable . Actually had a cable between it and the T_V_ and big like buttons that sort of like , like on a blender or something . And um , you know , when I think about what they are now , it's better , but actually it's still kind of , I dunno , like a massive junky thing on the table . Maybe we could think about how , could be more , you know , streamlined . S 925.74 927.64 932.01 935.64 937.36 938.19 938.4 940.21 940.72 942.95 943.4 946.4 948.61 949.6 950.41 951.49 ES2002a B FEE005 1 925.314 927.869 925.37 927.869 Dunno . Okay maybe . 926.64 927.4 ES2002a B FEE005 1 936.976 937.965 937.0 937.62 My goodness . 937.62 ES2002a B FEE005 1 946.24 948.193 946.26 948.04 Still feels quite primitive . 948.04 ES2002a B FEE005 1 951.392 952.816 951.41 952.78 Maybe like a touch screen or something ? 952.78 ES2002a D MEE008 3 953.04 956.384 953.06 956.35 Something like that , yeah . Or whatever would be technologically reasonable . 953.81 954.2 956.35 ES2002a B FEE005 1 953.925 954.787 954.09 954.42 Okay . 954.42 ES2002a B FEE005 1 956.336 959.64 956.36 959.3 Uh-huh , okay . Well I guess that's up to our industrial designer . 956.89 957.42 959.3 ES2002a D MEE008 3 957.52 972.992 957.54 972.96 'Cause it could b it could it could be that f it could be that functionally that doesn't make it any better , but that just the appeal of of not having You know , these days there's a r pe things in people's homes are becoming more and more like chic , you know . Um , nicer materials and might be 961.34 964.15 968.83 969.56 970.23 ES2002a B FEE005 1 961.692 963.497 962.22 963.35 It looks better . 963.35 ES2002a B FEE005 1 968.849 969.632 969.0 969.47 Yeah . 969.47 ES2002a B FEE005 1 971.68 972.544 971.85 972.39 Okay . 972.39 ES2002a B FEE005 1 975.184 975.664 975.24 975.63 Okay . 975.63 ES2002a D MEE008 3 975.552 976.864 975.57 976.83 be worth exploring anyway . 976.83 ES2002a C MEE007 2 976.313 977.09 976.66 976.73 Uh . 976.73 ES2002a B FEE005 1 977.152 1008.784 977.17 1008.75 Right , well um so just to wrap up , the next meeting's gonna be in thirty minutes . So that's about um about ten to twelve by my watch . Um so inbetween now and then , um as the industrial designer , you're gonna be working on you know the actual working design of it so y you know what you're doing there . Um for user interface , technical functions , I guess that's you know like what we've been talking about , what it'll actually do . Um and uh marketing executive , 977.52 979.73 981.67 985.49 988.85 991.56 996.69 999.8 1000.99 1003.16 1004.08 1008.75 ES2002a A MEE006 0 993.856 994.128 993.88 994.02 Yep . 994.02 ES2002a B FEE005 1 1010.0 1019.344 1010.02 1019.31 you'll be just thinking about what it actually what , you know , what requirements it has to has to fulfil and you'll all get instructions emailed to you , I guess . 1012.81 1013.02 1018.72 1019.31 ES2002a D MEE008 3 1019.616 1020.064 1019.67 1020.01 Okay . 1020.01 ES2002a B FEE005 1 1021.488 1022.608 1021.55 1022.56 Um . 1022.56 ES2002a B FEE005 1 1028.032 1031.792 1028.05 1031.66 Yeah , so it's th the functional design stage is next , I guess . 1028.25 1030.93 1031.66 ES2002a B FEE005 1 1034.448 1035.312 1034.47 1035.27 And uh - ES2002a B FEE005 1 1036.448 1037.792 1036.47 1037.69 and that's the end of the meeting . 1037.69 ES2002a B FEE005 1 1039.104 1042.624 1039.12 1042.624 So I got that little message a lot sooner than I thought I would , so 1042.28 ES2002a D MEE008 3 1039.376 1041.248 1039.8 1041.248 Um . 1040.97 ES2002a D MEE008 3 1047.12 1057.44 1047.17 1057.41 Before we wrap up , just to make sure we're all on the same page here , um , do we We were given sort of an example of a coffee machine or something , right ? Well , 1047.92 1050.09 1051.44 1056.51 1057.14 1057.41 ES2002a B FEE005 1 1049.44 1050.144 1049.54 1050.04 Mm-hmm . 1050.04 ES2002a B FEE005 1 1056.272 1057.728 1056.3 1057.68 Uh-huh , yeah . 1056.6 1057.68 ES2002a A MEE006 0 1056.912 1057.184 1056.93 1057.09 Mm-hmm . 1057.09 ES2002a D MEE008 3 1058.592 1059.184 1058.61 1059.15 um - ES2002a D MEE008 3 1060.88 1074.576 1060.99 1074.44 are we at ma right now on the assumption that our television remote control may have features which go beyond the television ? Or are we keeping sort of like a a design commitment to television features ? I I don't know . 1067.54 1073.79 1074.44 ES2002a B FEE005 1 1068.641 1068.974 1068.76 1068.8 Th - ES2002a B FEE005 1 1073.52 1084.848 1073.56 1084.848 Okay , well just very quickly 'cause this we're supposed to finish now . Um I guess that's up to us , I mean you probably want some kind of unique selling point of it , so um , you know 1073.97 1076.64 1079.1 1082.39 1084.47 ES2002a D MEE008 3 1076.544 1078.096 1076.56 1078.06 Yep . Yeah , sure . 1077.45 1077.78 1078.06 ES2002a D MEE008 3 1081.968 1082.416 1081.99 1082.38 Okay . 1082.38 ES2002a A MEE006 0 1084.102 1087.173 1084.36 1086.91 I think one factor would be production cost . 1086.91 ES2002a D MEE008 3 1086.944 1087.792 1086.96 1087.76 Okay , yeah . 1087.56 1087.76 ES2002a A MEE006 0 1087.173 1095.199 1087.57 1094.9 Because there's a cap there , so um depends on how much you can cram into that price . Um . 1088.74 1094.65 1094.9 ES2002a B FEE005 1 1087.563 1088.266 1087.59 1088.2 Yeah . 1088.2 ES2002a D MEE008 3 1089.856 1090.288 1089.89 1090.23 Okay . 1090.23 ES2002a B FEE005 1 1093.76 1094.496 1093.82 1094.41 Mm-hmm . 1094.41 ES2002a D MEE008 3 1093.808 1094.16 1093.83 1094.13 Okay . 1094.13 ES2002a B FEE005 1 1095.76 1096.192 1095.78 1096.16 Yeah . 1096.16 ES2002a A MEE006 0 1095.643 1098.464 1096.03 1098.43 I think that that's the main factor . 1098.43 ES2002a B FEE005 1 1098.39 1103.232 1098.51 1103.2 Okay . Right , okay , we'll that's that's the end of the meeting , then . Um . 1099.43 1099.86 1100.28 1101.67 1102.48 1103.2 ES2002a D MEE008 3 1098.48 1098.88 1098.52 1098.85 Okay . 1098.85 ES2002a D MEE008 3 1102.308 1102.998 1102.4 1102.998 Alright . 1102.86 ES2002a B FEE005 1 1104.352 1105.74 1104.58 1105.58 So , uh 1105.01 ES2002a B FEE005 1 1106.544 1110.243 1106.58 1107.09 thank you all for coming . 1109.39 ES2002a A MEE006 0 1107.822 1109.487 1107.822 1109.45 Cool . 1109.45 ES2002b B FEE005 1 14.427 15.758 14.59 15.42 Is that alright now ? 15.42 ES2002b B FEE005 1 16.942 17.978 16.942 17.91 Okay . 17.91 ES2002b B FEE005 1 19.463 20.523 19.66 20.39 Sorry ? 20.39 ES2002b B FEE005 1 23.042 64.211 23.28 64.14 Okay , everybody all set to start the meeting ? Okay , we've got half an hour for this one um to uh discuss the um functional design . All ready to go ? Okay . Um so hopefully you've all been working away , and I've put the minutes of the last meeting in the project folder . Um so I guess just to to recap on uh what we did last time . Um kind of uh got to know each other a little bit and uh got familiar with all the equipment and started to discuss um a bit about the project , you know , cost-wise how much how much money we had to s 23.51 25.34 25.62 34.61 35.55 36.98 40.24 44.39 50.55 60.5 61.06 ES2002b D MEE008 3 27.353 28.61 27.38 28.53 Could you plug me in ? 28.53 ES2002b D MEE008 3 30.497 34.163 30.497 34.09 Okay . Thanks . 33.32 34.09 ES2002b D MEE008 3 36.431 38.931 36.45 38.931 Okay . 38.34 ES2002b B FEE005 1 100.566 150.52 100.92 150.49 Um just want to tell you that you have three new requirements , um which is the The first one is that um uh the company's decided that teletext is outdated uh because of how popular the internet is . Nobody uses teletext very much anymore , so we don't really need to consider that in the functionality of the of the remote control . Um they've also suggested that we um we only use the remote control to control the television , not the V_C_R_ , D_V_D_ or anything else . I think the worry is that if the project becomes too complex then it'll affect um how long it takes us to get it into into production , the time to market . So um , we're just gonna keep it simple and it'll just control the T_V_ . And the other thing was that the company want the corporate colour and slogan to be implemented in the new design . 104.29 114.79 116.98 121.94 128.61 129.45 130.69 139.67 141.68 142.54 145.41 150.49 ES2002b D MEE008 3 116.66 117.154 116.75 116.99 'Kay . 116.99 ES2002b D MEE008 3 141.157 141.748 141.27 141.59 Okay . 141.59 ES2002b B FEE005 1 150.52 158.376 151.21 158.12 Um I'm not entirely sure what the corporate colour is . It might be yellow , because there seems to be a lot of yellow everywhere . 154.97 155.8 158.12 ES2002b D MEE008 3 157.287 163.064 157.94 163.02 And the slogan , like the actual written slogan , or just to embody the idea of the slogan ? 159.14 160.7 163.02 ES2002b B FEE005 1 163.126 165.752 163.17 165.72 Well that's the thing , I'm I'm not sure um 163.96 ES2002b B FEE005 1 166.499 171.482 166.499 171.482 uh th because on the the company website , uh what does it say 170.07 ES2002b D MEE008 3 171.64 174.216 172.4 174.07 'Bout putting the fashion in electronics . 174.07 ES2002b B FEE005 1 172.337 173.002 172.42 173.002 Uh something - ES2002b B FEE005 1 173.849 179.416 173.99 179.3 Yeah , I mean do they Is that something they want actually written on it , 'cause it's quite long . 174.43 177.83 179.3 ES2002b A MEE006 0 174.188 174.817 174.28 174.47 Mm yeah . 174.47 ES2002b B FEE005 1 179.416 208.038 180.07 208.0 Um or yeah , just the idea , but I'm not sure . So that's something we can discuss as well . So those are the three things , just not to worry about teletext , uh only control the T_V_ , and um and uh incorporate the uh colour and slogan of the company . Um so is everybody okay with any of that , or do you want me to recap at all ? Right um , time for presentations then . Who would like to go first ? 180.92 181.66 182.3 183.96 185.24 187.22 190.0 196.19 200.69 204.57 205.48 206.79 208.0 ES2002b A MEE006 0 202.932 204.149 202.95 203.98 Nope , we're all set . 203.46 203.98 ES2002b C MEE007 2 209.9 210.821 209.9 210.79 I'll go first . 210.79 ES2002b D MEE008 3 210.961 211.455 211.03 211.28 Sure . 211.28 ES2002b B FEE005 1 210.99 211.914 211.13 211.83 Okay , cool . 211.41 211.83 ES2002b C MEE007 2 216.872 220.498 217.21 220.498 Alright um , can I st steal this from the back of your laptop ? Uh 218.22 219.91 ES2002b B FEE005 1 219.65 222.31 219.83 222.11 Oh yeah , of course , yeah . G go on ahead . 220.07 220.45 221.38 222.11 ES2002b C MEE007 2 258.385 260.083 258.385 260.05 so this is the technical functions design . 260.05 ES2002b C MEE007 2 261.418 262.417 261.67 262.417 Um - ES2002b C MEE007 2 265.335 287.896 265.53 287.896 Right to do the um the design I have I've had a look online , I've had a look at the homepage , which has given us um some insp inspiration from previous products . Um I've had a look at the previous products to see what they offer and um I would like to ask you guys for um your ideas about the design at the end of the meeting . Um unfortunately we're not allowed to talk outside the meeting room , so 270.24 271.15 275.05 284.6 286.87 ES2002b B FEE005 1 274.258 274.994 274.45 274.85 Mm-hmm . 274.85 ES2002b B FEE005 1 287.456 288.348 287.456 288.19 Okay . 288.19 ES2002b D MEE008 3 287.538 288.138 287.65 288.0 Right . 288.0 ES2002b C MEE007 2 288.426 308.887 289.13 308.63 Um , having a look at the existing products , I found out that um it tends to come in sort of two extremes , there's either um a very complicated one that's got lots of buttons , lots of colours , very confusing , you don't know what you're doing . Um in that case the the labelling tends to be very bad . Um there's an example I'll show you at the end , um sh show you now . 290.43 291.86 295.73 298.6 299.11 299.92 301.71 304.71 306.74 308.63 ES2002b C MEE007 2 308.887 312.516 308.91 312.516 Uh - ES2002b C MEE007 2 314.728 323.565 314.728 323.43 here um the button there and there . This one's prog . Sorry . That one's perg and that one's prog , and it doesn't really tell you what it does . 318.74 319.88 320.13 322.03 323.43 ES2002b B FEE005 1 315.117 316.671 315.117 316.29 Alright . 316.29 ES2002b C MEE007 2 334.316 359.625 334.36 359.37 Um , not sure if you had a a look at the other um control in that example . Um it's a very simple one . It's got only the basic functions mm but um it's the same size as the the hard to use one . Uh it looked a bit clunky . They're very big and not very much use for buttons . Um , and it's just very hard to access the advanced functions . There's there's nothing for instance for a slow motion button . 335.51 338.76 340.2 347.9 349.57 353.69 354.98 357.33 359.37 ES2002b B FEE005 1 345.815 346.44 345.86 346.37 Oop . 346.37 ES2002b C MEE007 2 362.284 379.074 362.3 378.99 Um , my own preferences , I prefer the the clunky one . Um it's very easy to use . Um but unfortunately it does lack the advanced functions which I I quite like having on the controls . Um so I believe the the advanced functions should maybe be hidden in a drawer , or something like tha from the bottom of it . 363.19 364.17 365.93 367.39 373.85 377.24 378.99 ES2002b C MEE007 2 381.516 387.057 381.54 387.057 So , now I'd like to ask for your preferences . Um not sure of how long we've got , uh 382.22 384.29 386.66 ES2002b B FEE005 1 386.618 393.976 386.73 393.56 Um . Well we can chat away for uh for five minutes or so I think at at most . Just a couple of minutes anyway . 388.63 392.43 393.56 ES2002b D MEE008 3 391.814 392.48 391.86 392.42 Mm-hmm . 392.42 ES2002b D MEE008 3 393.747 414.721 394.06 414.07 M yeah , like a lot of a lot of what I've um read and prepared for this meeting fits in really closely with what with what Craig's just gone over . So in part I could I could give you some of my personal preferences but I could also th add some to this which is just about sort of um sort of market research . But anyway , um we might come to that later . 394.55 403.08 411.48 412.58 414.07 ES2002b B FEE005 1 410.844 415.209 411.0 415.11 Mm-hmm . Shall we sh well we'll stick to kind of your area for now . 412.66 415.11 ES2002b A MEE006 0 413.815 416.257 413.84 416.19 Which which is the clunky one , the one on left or on the right?. . 415.06 416.19 ES2002b C MEE007 2 414.635 416.888 414.635 416.8 Um , the clunky one is the one on the right . 415.7 416.8 ES2002b A MEE006 0 416.96 417.585 417.13 417.39 Okay . 417.39 ES2002b B FEE005 1 417.516 417.997 417.54 417.94 Yeah . 417.94 ES2002b D MEE008 3 417.162 422.054 417.62 422.054 Um clunky in what sense , like um h heavier ? Larger ? 419.02 420.46 421.85 ES2002b C MEE007 2 420.935 433.212 420.99 433.212 Um I think it's supposed to be the same size , but um it's got much fewer buttons . It's , you know , it's very spread out and kind of you know , I get the idea it'd be sort of about this size . got very few buttons on it and 422.81 425.23 425.77 426.4 429.65 431.82 ES2002b D MEE008 3 425.922 429.621 425.98 429.59 I see , so it's more just basic . Right , okay . 426.33 428.97 429.27 429.59 ES2002b B FEE005 1 426.874 428.719 427.24 428.56 Looks kind of Yeah . 428.56 ES2002b D MEE008 3 431.285 431.84 431.45 431.71 Yeah . 431.71 ES2002b D MEE008 3 432.603 433.861 432.71 433.74 Yeah . Sure . 433.3 433.74 ES2002b B FEE005 1 434.035 460.04 434.06 460.04 Well I think it's a valid point . I mean like the one on the left looks quite um quite complicated , and that P_R_T_ p P_R_O_T_ thing is incredibly confusing . Um so I see I see why yo you know you might prefer the simpler design , but yeah you don't want to lose out on , you know , what it does , so maybe you know you know you get a lot of remote controls where you kind of flip the thing open , I think that's a good idea . I think it's a good idea . 435.58 439.72 444.05 449.15 450.98 451.3 451.89 455.8 457.41 459.9 ES2002b D MEE008 3 451.563 452.4 451.79 452.21 Mm-hmm . 452.21 ES2002b D MEE008 3 456.076 456.593 456.14 456.54 Mm-hmm . 456.54 ES2002b D MEE008 3 456.991 457.864 457.45 457.74 Mm-hmm . 457.74 ES2002b D MEE008 3 459.991 460.576 460.15 460.45 Mm-hmm . 460.45 ES2002b C MEE007 2 460.449 470.988 460.53 470.85 Um , do we have any functions that um we'd want on it ? I mean so far I've got um on and off , um switch the channel up and down , and put the volume up and down . Um they're just the the very basics you could use for a T_V_ . 461.29 463.55 465.79 467.1 468.57 470.85 ES2002b B FEE005 1 465.552 466.292 465.62 466.23 Mm-hmm . 466.23 ES2002b B FEE005 1 468.291 468.957 468.48 468.87 Uh-huh . 468.87 ES2002b B FEE005 1 470.841 474.503 470.95 474.41 Uh-huh , and then actual numbers for channels as well , yeah . 471.33 474.03 474.41 ES2002b C MEE007 2 473.799 483.787 474.16 483.787 Okay . Um , you say that's a h a required one or a requested one ? Would you like um the channels like the the numbers on thing , um 475.17 475.35 477.68 483.02 ES2002b D MEE008 3 477.629 478.498 477.66 478.27 Which was that ? 478.27 ES2002b D MEE008 3 481.102 482.426 481.12 482.38 Up the numbers , or the up down ? 481.75 482.38 ES2002b B FEE005 1 482.675 492.062 482.97 491.8 God , I wou I would say that's required , I mean there's no way anybody's gonna buy a remote control these days when if you can't actually individually select channels , I mean would anybody disagree with that ? 483.14 484.64 490.14 491.8 ES2002b D MEE008 3 489.187 489.804 489.24 489.59 Yeah . 489.59 ES2002b D MEE008 3 491.036 491.652 491.21 491.48 Yeah . 491.48 ES2002b B FEE005 1 492.062 508.264 492.83 508.23 Um , what else , uh So don't need to worry about teletext , don't need to worry about V_C_R_ , uh any kind of like display controls at all do you think we need to worry about , you know like brightness and contrast ? 494.25 494.99 498.61 500.87 506.61 508.23 ES2002b D MEE008 3 503.655 504.987 503.68 504.7 We don't ? No ? 504.51 504.7 ES2002b D MEE008 3 506.873 507.571 506.94 507.33 Yeah . 507.33 ES2002b D MEE008 3 507.571 526.22 507.88 525.89 Well I think I think es essentially what we're doing right now is we're categorising . We're saying well we want this to be a product that offers all the sort of more tricky features but we want them to be in another area ? Is that right ? Is that what we're we're doing ? We're kind of like sorting them an Or are we actually eliminating things we just don't want the product to have ? 510.83 518.76 519.57 521.15 525.89 ES2002b B FEE005 1 513.55 514.135 513.78 514.1 Mm . 514.1 ES2002b B FEE005 1 519.743 520.631 519.94 520.51 Yeah . 520.51 ES2002b C MEE007 2 520.867 521.755 520.89 521.5 Um , yeah . 521.27 521.5 ES2002b C MEE007 2 522.642 523.458 522.89 523.458 Um - ES2002b B FEE005 1 526.269 531.0 526.31 530.85 I think are you are you maybe kind of thinking what we absolutely have to have and what would be nice ? 530.85 ES2002b C MEE007 2 529.717 537.149 529.84 537.11 Uh , to start with um sort of a bit both , um we need to find out exactly what we have to have um and after that we can add things if they're possible . 530.51 532.17 537.11 ES2002b B FEE005 1 534.042 534.708 534.22 534.64 Mm-hmm . 534.64 ES2002b B FEE005 1 537.149 550.494 537.48 550.494 Okay , right . Well , do you wanna maybe just , at this point decide on what we absolutely must have as a p as a function of this . Um , so so far , just to recap you've got volume and channel control and 538.43 539.42 540.11 541.04 545.74 546.29 547.33 ES2002b D MEE008 3 543.688 544.27 543.8 544.09 Yeah . 544.09 ES2002b D MEE008 3 545.463 546.007 545.68 545.95 Yep . 545.95 ES2002b C MEE007 2 548.079 553.106 548.23 553.06 There's um on and off , um volume and channel , and skip to certain channels with the numbers . 549.72 550.8 553.06 ES2002b B FEE005 1 553.12 555.9 553.25 555.9 Right okay . Um 554.58 ES2002b D MEE008 3 559.836 617.401 560.01 617.17 Well , one one way I would look at this um would be that we a approach the different controls in terms of um like control types , so that for the user it's very clear what they want to do where they go . Uh and also think maybe a little bit about sorta w w what would just wanna be acc easily accessible . For example if we had audio controls , those could be something people set up very rarely . Maybe they're un they're they're they're in a little area but covered up um , things like channel and volume um are used all the time , so we just have them right out on top , um very just very sort of self-explanatory . Um so maybe we need to think about having three or more groupings of controls , you know like one which are just the the habitual ones that should be right within your natural grip . And others that are uh also available and then others that are concealed . Something like that . 560.46 569.06 572.49 578.05 580.04 582.38 588.36 593.79 596.88 601.0 606.81 611.72 616.44 617.17 ES2002b B FEE005 1 571.732 573.182 571.75 572.96 Mm-hmm yeah . 572.96 ES2002b B FEE005 1 578.102 578.546 578.18 578.5 Oka - ES2002b B FEE005 1 584.983 585.719 585.06 585.66 Mm-hmm . 585.66 ES2002b B FEE005 1 616.508 642.808 616.71 642.42 Okay . Uh well , just to to wrap up quickly on this this little section Have I just lost Oh no . Um , uh do you think maybe that's the only kind of uh essential requirements , and then maybe just things that would be nice if it could do would be things like audio set up and display set up and things like that , maybe like a mute button , that sort of thing . Any of you anything to add to that at all ? No . 617.51 617.83 622.36 623.79 628.46 635.52 637.47 638.28 641.54 642.42 ES2002b D MEE008 3 638.154 638.547 638.21 638.51 Yeah . 638.51 ES2002b A MEE006 0 640.913 645.089 640.98 644.98 No . I'll add it later , I guess the presentation . 642.09 642.99 644.98 ES2002b B FEE005 1 642.808 651.957 643.63 651.83 Okay , right . Um okay , if we can move on to next presentation then please . Um 645.03 645.96 646.81 650.94 ES2002b D MEE008 3 643.998 645.848 644.28 645.64 Mm-hmm . Yeah . 645.33 645.64 ES2002b D MEE008 3 649.991 650.819 650.42 650.74 Sure . 650.74 ES2002b C MEE007 2 651.783 653.517 651.783 653.29 Do you want to switch places ? 653.29 ES2002b B FEE005 1 651.957 653.255 651.99 653.255 Do you wanna - ES2002b D MEE008 3 652.243 657.077 652.57 657.03 Can this can this pl reach ? Can this plug come across ? No . 654.23 656.79 657.03 ES2002b A MEE006 0 654.673 656.26 654.75 656.02 No . No . 655.75 656.02 ES2002b B FEE005 1 655.32 657.682 655.73 657.25 Probably not , actually . 656.62 657.25 ES2002b D MEE008 3 658.424 661.644 658.53 661.41 So why don't I just pick up and move then . 661.41 ES2002b B FEE005 1 660.254 660.882 660.36 660.82 Yeah . 660.82 ES2002b D MEE008 3 661.644 664.024 662.02 664.024 Here , I'll just 662.16 ES2002b D MEE008 3 665.081 666.228 665.18 666.228 Why don't I just - ES2002b D MEE008 3 678.801 687.939 679.25 687.6 Mm er , can you go up behind me ? Kinda This is so This I'm all in a knot now . 680.89 682.71 687.6 ES2002b C MEE007 2 679.166 680.472 679.34 680.32 Just just switch them . 680.32 ES2002b B FEE005 1 683.447 689.288 683.447 689.16 bit complicated . It'd be nice if everything was wireless , wouldn't it ? 686.66 688.44 689.16 ES2002b D MEE008 3 689.492 690.195 689.7 690.12 Okay . 690.12 ES2002b B FEE005 1 691.585 692.218 691.61 692.06 Right . 692.06 ES2002b D MEE008 3 695.761 741.309 696.09 741.25 Um . So I can I can say already , I dunno whether this is for good or for bad but there'll be a lot of kind of uh redundancy in the in the the issues and the the uh the things . Yeah , yeah . Which is ma not necessarily a bad thing , but may what I've already started doing is cr I created a slide in in my presentation here so um so that we kind of think well what's the cumulative effect of what we've taken from your ideas and and mine , because certainly I I have a hard time separating separating things completely . Obviously obviously what you've just told me what you've just told me impacts a lot on what um like market research mm that that I've been So how do I how do I get this up ? Okay . 697.17 699.09 709.05 709.74 710.31 711.78 725.03 729.78 740.99 741.25 ES2002b B FEE005 1 707.919 711.688 707.99 711.31 Oh , like overlap between what you said ? Oh well , for all you know that that'll happen . 708.28 709.72 709.94 711.31 ES2002b B FEE005 1 729.618 732.574 729.81 732.42 Mm hard to know what where your role ends , yeah . 731.63 732.42 ES2002b B FEE005 1 737.624 738.896 738.41 738.76 Okay . 738.76 ES2002b A MEE006 0 739.221 740.253 739.27 740.11 Um function F_ eight . 740.11 ES2002b B FEE005 1 740.168 742.76 740.41 742.44 Uh pr yeah , press function and F_ eight , yeah . 740.96 742.06 742.44 ES2002b D MEE008 3 742.666 743.702 742.94 743.33 Okay . 743.33 ES2002b D MEE008 3 745.444 747.811 745.7 747.811 Alright . So 746.61 ES2002b D MEE008 3 751.51 752.429 751.7 752.22 F_ eight ? 752.22 ES2002b A MEE006 0 752.465 757.64 752.5 757.2 Function , the blue button . Next to the control on the left . Yeah . You have to push it together . 752.97 754.14 755.54 756.03 757.2 ES2002b D MEE008 3 754.898 757.22 755.13 757.06 Oh , and F_ eight . Okay . 755.29 756.05 757.06 ES2002b B FEE005 1 755.411 756.002 755.57 755.92 Mm . 755.92 ES2002b D MEE008 3 757.22 758.15 757.72 758.02 Mm-hmm . 758.02 ES2002b A MEE006 0 758.679 759.16 758.89 758.99 Yep . 758.99 ES2002b D MEE008 3 764.664 766.755 764.7 766.38 Okay , I think that that's doing it now . 764.95 766.38 ES2002b A MEE006 0 769.703 771.448 769.85 771.28 Nope . Try that again . 770.6 771.28 ES2002b D MEE008 3 772.608 773.585 772.91 773.55 Uh , again ? 773.31 773.55 ES2002b C MEE007 2 773.385 775.397 773.51 775.34 Think maybe the the wire in the back might be loose . 775.34 ES2002b A MEE006 0 773.883 774.278 774.0 774.12 Wait . 774.12 ES2002b D MEE008 3 775.401 775.938 775.59 775.89 Okay . 775.89 ES2002b B FEE005 1 776.223 777.18 776.24 777.18 Yeah , you wanna 776.47 ES2002b D MEE008 3 778.264 780.558 778.28 780.4 Um , okay great . 779.63 780.4 ES2002b B FEE005 1 778.471 780.839 778.63 780.57 Oh oh here we go . There you go . 779.97 780.57 ES2002b A MEE006 0 779.395 780.208 779.42 780.05 Yep , there we go . 779.77 780.05 ES2002b D MEE008 3 782.255 800.007 782.46 799.65 Okay . Just um Before I bring this up what I'll just say is um what I've what I've done is tried to collect some information so that I can then relay this to to you guys so that it's now becomes a collective thing . And then kind of lead us in the direction of deciding , 'kay what what are our options , what should we decide and do you know what I mean , so . 783.04 793.23 795.5 796.69 799.36 799.65 ES2002b A MEE006 0 801.248 803.354 801.44 803.354 Increase that 'cause we can't see the - ES2002b B FEE005 1 801.48 801.961 801.65 801.961 Um - ES2002b D MEE008 3 803.266 803.883 803.33 803.82 Okay . 803.82 ES2002b B FEE005 1 805.355 806.021 805.5 805.94 Okay . 805.94 ES2002b A MEE006 0 806.612 807.61 806.87 807.41 That's much better . 807.41 ES2002b B FEE005 1 807.759 808.314 807.84 808.17 Right . 808.17 ES2002b B FEE005 1 810.755 811.532 810.78 811.532 Can you um - ES2002b A MEE006 0 813.752 814.343 813.94 814.27 There you go . 814.27 ES2002b B FEE005 1 813.789 815.006 814.06 814.93 Right , okay . 814.5 814.93 ES2002b D MEE008 3 814.944 817.169 814.96 817.169 Okay . Alright . That would be 816.26 816.64 ES2002b D MEE008 3 817.169 860.842 817.6 860.842 Okay . So um does that make sense ? So what I basically got is I just looked into some information and sort of th tried to think about how how we could review it and how we could and what kind of decisions we could take away from it and then maybe by the end of just looking at some of these things we can think about what are our priorities . 'Cause certainly there's lots of different information to go through . So um I'm thinking here about uh primarily about customer needs , that we start with the customer , and w you know , what they want and what are issues with with um existing products . Uh to think about trends and also about try and connect that as you see with the company vision which is about fashion in electronics . Um and then , as I say uh w we'd like to prioritise our design features from this and um 818.35 820.34 834.1 836.7 841.36 842.59 843.77 848.32 855.44 856.57 ES2002b A MEE006 0 863.114 865.367 863.23 865.367 Bouncing on top . 864.83 ES2002b D MEE008 3 862.984 912.078 863.84 912.04 Dunno . Okay . Um . So this is what I've found here , um a lot of this is new to me , so we'll just read through together . Um , users dislike the look and feel of current remote controls . So they find them ugly . Most people find them ugly . Um the vast majority would spend more money for it to look fancy as well , we'll see later , the vast majority would spend more money for um slightly more intuitive control , such as voice recognition . Okay I'm gonna we'll look at that in a second . Um most people use only a f a very slim portion of all the controls . So I guess what we're looking at here is people want this h technology , they tend to use the most simple controls and overall they find remote controls to be something they don't doesn't really appeal to them . 864.46 865.26 866.36 868.3 870.43 872.59 874.84 877.37 878.77 880.54 885.56 886.18 891.02 893.06 895.47 900.87 905.0 912.04 ES2002b B FEE005 1 864.511 865.066 864.53 864.85 Yeah . 864.85 ES2002b B FEE005 1 891.511 891.992 891.53 891.95 Mm-hmm . 891.95 ES2002b B FEE005 1 912.115 912.633 912.23 912.6 Mm-hmm . 912.6 ES2002b D MEE008 3 912.078 958.153 912.57 958.04 So I think what we're doing is we're trying to take like if for me this is sorta like three different different um inspirations , you know , one is that we want uh something that's high-tech but we want it to seem easy . And in spite of the primitive side of it and the very high-tech side , we want it to just be an appealing piece of equipment in people's hands . Um , frustrations . They get lost a lot , s as it came up in our last meeting . Um , takes time to learn how to use them . This is uh why I mention when Craig was uh showing us some ideas that we actually try and group controls , so d it doesn't just look like a big panel , kinda like when you you look at , you know , a new computer keyboard , or something that is quite explanatory . If you want audio , if you want visual , then you have those . Um 919.71 919.89 924.09 927.62 931.96 933.9 935.64 936.72 938.47 940.01 941.55 946.66 948.73 950.52 950.75 951.69 953.79 954.85 956.75 957.45 ES2002b D MEE008 3 959.521 962.9 960.18 962.81 and I will admit I don't know what R_S_I_ stands for . 962.81 ES2002b B FEE005 1 962.251 963.64 962.27 963.49 Repetitive strain injury . 963.49 ES2002b A MEE006 0 964.646 967.861 964.8 967.861 Is installing a new remote control something that people - ES2002b D MEE008 3 967.839 993.261 967.96 993.16 Uh , no , that did not come up at all . Um so here here is another um sort of a a review here of the main things . I also found that most people would uh adults at least would pay more for voice recognition . Now apparently we do have access to all the tech cutting edge technology in remote control . So I dunno if that's possible we might consider getting into it . Um . 968.21 968.77 970.98 977.17 982.54 987.19 991.34 993.16 ES2002b D MEE008 3 993.261 1023.456 993.261 1023.37 And and again here as we sort of move m sort of thin start thinking about how we wanna sell and market this , I think a recurring theme here is the company wants it to be wants us to make something that's fashionable and sleek and trendy . Um people uh additionally aren't aren't liking the appearance of their products , so we wanna think about as we take all the sort of the techie features how we can um put that into a unit which is which people like . You know , they like the aesthetics and the ergonomics . 1000.91 1007.4 1012.94 1021.44 1021.68 1023.37 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1006.054 1006.646 1006.11 1006.51 Mm-hmm . 1006.51 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1021.594 1028.771 1021.65 1028.61 Okay . So want something that looks good and is easy to use , big priorities . Okay . 1023.45 1027.2 1028.18 1028.61 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1026.745 1061.784 1027.05 1061.61 Yeah . Yeah , so you know just c looking at what what Craig um Craig's i uh ideas are s sorta tell me that maybe what we wanna do is try and um separate the different things that we wanna include in this . So if we do say well we want there to be all the technology will we try and make that almost be like optional technology . You know , it's like like I find a lot of T_V_s these days , something really like about 'em is if you wanna just turn 'em on and off you can , but they have little panels where you click and there's just like tons of features you go through . 1028.15 1028.43 1041.82 1048.75 1048.93 1052.34 1055.93 1061.61 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1057.414 1058.08 1057.47 1057.9 Mm . 1057.9 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1060.114 1066.765 1060.15 1066.73 So it you wanna group all the different kind of types of functions together , you know . That's I think it's a good idea . 1064.58 1065.46 1066.73 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1062.202 1063.419 1062.202 1063.38 Yeah . 1063.38 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1065.528 1092.728 1065.96 1092.69 Yeah . That's s that's sort of the um But I I'm my hope here is that I'm putting out this information so that we can then say okay , well how do we collectively move on with it . Um I I haven't brought out one specific marketing idea , although my sense is that what we should try and think about is what are the current trends in materials and shapes and styles , and then use that . But not let that confine us technologically . 1066.59 1075.05 1077.41 1081.56 1087.99 1089.3 1092.69 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1076.123 1077.067 1076.57 1076.99 Mm-hmm . 1076.99 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1077.437 1078.214 1077.69 1078.17 Okay . 1078.17 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1086.828 1087.679 1087.03 1087.64 Mm-hmm . 1087.64 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1093.08 1095.484 1093.29 1095.43 Okay . Right . 1094.66 1095.43 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1093.645 1094.085 1093.81 1094.05 So - ES2002b D MEE008 3 1094.603 1098.905 1095.46 1098.905 Alright ? Any um comments on all of that ? 1096.23 1098.86 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1099.517 1121.495 1099.517 1121.495 Well , um one of the things that we have to decide on by the end of the meeting is who we're gonna be um who's our our target audience , our target market . Um , so if we want something that that looks good and is easy to use , but has y is fairly powerful product , whatever , who do we really want to aim that at ? I mean 1100.52 1107.28 1108.59 1109.34 1114.78 1116.95 1117.81 1120.29 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1099.921 1101.31 1100.53 1101.31 That's uh - ES2002b D MEE008 3 1107.879 1108.466 1108.15 1108.43 Yeah . 1108.43 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1118.982 1119.869 1119.46 1119.82 Okay . 1119.82 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1121.063 1123.088 1121.15 1122.84 Where's the money , maybe . 1122.57 1122.84 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1122.567 1141.429 1122.65 1141.39 Yeah , who wou who would have the money to spend . Well i if if like twenty five Euro is our is our selling price then you can imagine , well I don't I'm not really sure how much that will retail at . But you want it's somebody who's not gonna just use the remote that comes with their telly , I suppose , they're gonna actually go out and buy one . So , who do you think we're aiming this at ? 1123.0 1125.48 1130.93 1133.68 1137.12 1137.54 1139.51 1139.76 1141.39 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1124.957 1127.311 1125.39 1127.28 Yeah . And who watches T_V_ . 1126.29 1127.28 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1129.349 1130.015 1129.59 1129.92 Mm-hmm . 1129.92 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1132.471 1132.988 1132.55 1132.95 Mm . 1132.95 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1137.451 1139.596 1137.5 1139.56 Mm-hmm . Yeah . 1139.26 1139.56 ES2002b A MEE006 0 1142.497 1152.374 1142.73 1152.24 Um , I think it'll be the mid range to the high end market , in terms of people . 'Cause twenty five Euros for a remote , how much is that lo locally in pounds ? 1143.89 1146.64 1147.29 1150.3 1152.24 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1151.458 1153.973 1151.458 1153.9 It's about sixteen , seventeen pounds , I think . 1152.97 1153.6 1153.9 ES2002b A MEE006 0 1153.738 1178.682 1153.79 1178.41 Is that too is that a lot of money to buy an extra remote or a replacement remote ? Right . Um so maybe not the high end range , but maybe middle , middle up-ish . Kind of . You know how much ? I dunno I guess you pay , what , ten ten quid for a remote ? Like a simple replacement , right . I mean if you lost your remote and the first thing you just wanna go out and get , would you how much would you pay ? 1158.31 1159.1 1162.01 1164.41 1165.95 1167.38 1167.94 1168.87 1169.53 1172.46 1173.48 1173.77 1177.13 1178.41 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1156.678 1158.971 1156.76 1158.84 Yeah , okay . 1158.25 1158.84 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1157.463 1158.054 1157.58 1157.95 Mm-hmm . 1157.95 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1165.367 1166.152 1165.62 1166.12 Okay . 1166.12 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1168.668 1169.344 1168.77 1169.26 Okay . 1169.26 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1173.32 1173.895 1173.35 1173.86 Yeah . 1173.86 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1175.254 1177.067 1175.47 1177.01 Yeah , yeah . 1176.55 1177.01 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1175.899 1194.214 1176.04 1194.12 Yeah . This this kinda touches on your comments there , David . These are the age groups which we have information on and these are this is a table of h what people would pay more for a certain feature . Just gives us a rough idea of where the w the will to spend money on T_V_ equipment is . Mostly focused around the twenty five age group . 1177.09 1179.07 1179.39 1186.25 1191.69 1194.12 ES2002b A MEE006 0 1180.68 1181.054 1180.75 1180.92 Yeah . 1180.92 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1186.326 1187.14 1186.39 1187.0 Okay - ES2002b B FEE005 1 1191.454 1192.49 1191.65 1192.43 Okay . 1192.43 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1194.524 1197.591 1194.59 1197.56 Yeah , so do you think we're we're aiming at a fairly young market then ? 1194.97 1197.56 ES2002b A MEE006 0 1198.144 1198.621 1198.34 1198.56 Yep . 1198.56 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1198.717 1201.205 1198.74 1201.07 Sort of young professional , kind of . Mm-hmm 1200.06 1200.67 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1200.073 1201.626 1200.073 1201.59 Yeah , okay . 1201.1 1201.59 ES2002b C MEE007 2 1201.109 1201.744 1201.13 1201.744 Um - ES2002b B FEE005 1 1201.626 1208.468 1202.27 1208.35 Um do you think then uh voice recognition is something we should really seriously consider ? 1208.35 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1209.835 1211.833 1210.61 1211.78 What what do you think , Craig ? 1211.32 1211.78 ES2002b C MEE007 2 1211.804 1217.275 1211.92 1217.24 Well , did you not say it was the the adults that were going for the the voice recognition ? Sort of the the older group . 1212.79 1216.37 1217.24 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1216.621 1217.982 1216.64 1217.982 Uh , yeah , it's the 1216.95 1217.38 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1218.389 1224.349 1218.89 1224.349 Yep . It does it does fit with the market that we're sort of identifying , in terms of 1219.88 1223.41 ES2002b C MEE007 2 1219.499 1220.064 1219.73 1219.92 Uh f - ES2002b B FEE005 1 1222.373 1223.4 1222.62 1223.27 N yeah . 1223.27 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1224.544 1250.216 1224.57 1250.14 I think we are gonna have to narrow it down , to say let's target these people and give them what they want and 'cause you know , there needs to be some kind of selling point to it . So um anybody anything there to add Just kind of young professionals , uh th like if we are going to include speech recognition , it's kind of between fifteen and thirty five seems to be like a really high response to that . So we could say that was our target . 1226.15 1230.61 1233.97 1239.88 1242.6 1247.39 1250.14 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1227.485 1228.002 1227.5 1227.84 Okay . 1227.84 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1229.071 1229.642 1229.09 1229.54 Yeah . 1229.54 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1229.642 1230.472 1230.07 1230.41 Sure . 1230.41 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1231.918 1232.457 1232.07 1232.42 Sure . 1232.42 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1233.514 1234.069 1233.64 1233.89 Yeah . 1233.89 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1247.027 1247.544 1247.05 1247.45 Mm-hmm . 1247.45 ES2002b A MEE006 0 1249.082 1258.4 1249.13 1258.05 I I think twenty five to thirty five is is is fair to add that in as a group as well because that's more than half your group of people who are willing to at least try and use your technology . 1258.05 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1253.081 1253.792 1253.14 1253.67 Yeah . 1253.67 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1253.001 1254.366 1253.26 1254.33 Mm-hmm . Yeah . 1254.12 1254.33 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1256.774 1258.176 1256.89 1258.14 Yeah , yeah . 1257.97 1258.14 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1257.494 1265.448 1257.61 1265.14 Mm-hmm . Okay , so fifteen to thirty five , look fairly young . You know , they have bit of expendable income to spend on this sort of thing . 1258.5 1258.83 1260.55 1261.78 1262.0 1265.14 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1261.472 1262.171 1261.65 1261.91 Yeah . 1261.91 ES2002b A MEE006 0 1261.567 1262.122 1261.69 1261.93 Yeah . 1261.93 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1264.498 1265.199 1264.93 1265.16 Mm-hmm . 1265.16 ES2002b A MEE006 0 1264.918 1297.114 1265.09 1297.07 I think perhaps that age group is significant as well because those are people who use the computer , who are familiar with their with computers in in their everyday work . I think people who are maybe about I wouldn't say thirty five , but people who are about forty-ish and above now would not be so dependent and reliant on a computer or a mobile phone or something like that . So these are people who are gadgety , right ? People who are u growing up used to , you know in schools and in universities , when you go on to their working lives , people who would you know regular Yeah . Yeah . Mm . 1269.9 1273.96 1277.89 1286.3 1287.52 1287.8 1289.56 1291.48 1293.14 1295.4 1296.61 1297.07 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1268.826 1269.565 1269.22 1269.5 Mm-hmm . 1269.5 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1273.253 1273.992 1273.31 1273.77 Yeah . 1273.77 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1273.672 1274.226 1273.81 1274.15 Mm-hmm . 1274.15 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1275.854 1276.67 1276.16 1276.49 Mm-hmm . 1276.49 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1278.375 1278.779 1278.47 1278.71 Mm-hmm . 1278.71 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1280.114 1280.628 1280.33 1280.59 Mm-hmm . 1280.59 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1281.257 1282.571 1281.7 1282.29 But yeah . 1282.29 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1283.629 1284.616 1283.7 1284.49 Yeah . 1284.49 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1283.624 1286.584 1284.31 1286.45 Yeah , sure . Mm-hmm . 1284.72 1286.17 1286.45 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1286.033 1286.621 1286.05 1286.621 So - ES2002b B FEE005 1 1287.882 1288.51 1287.94 1288.47 Yeah . 1288.47 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1292.922 1308.528 1292.94 1308.36 Yeah . So they'll not sh not shy away from something quite high-tech . That that's that's a good point . Um okay , so um so shall we make the decision uh to include speech recognition if we can . 1293.83 1296.34 1298.16 1299.55 1308.36 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1295.983 1296.608 1296.24 1296.48 Yeah . 1296.48 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1306.959 1307.809 1307.11 1307.76 If we can . 1307.76 ES2002b A MEE006 0 1307.853 1326.419 1307.99 1326.04 I I think one thing we should try not to avoid is not to say we have to use speech recognition right now , because um , based on what you've go y everybody's saying , right , you want something simple . You want basic stuff and you want something that's easy to use . Speech recognition might not be the simplest thing for somebody to use . 1313.94 1315.87 1317.59 1317.99 1319.16 1322.34 1326.04 ES2002b C MEE007 2 1308.225 1308.578 1308.31 1308.51 Yeah . 1308.51 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1313.173 1313.782 1313.39 1313.59 Yeah . 1313.59 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1313.3 1314.742 1313.45 1314.65 Okay . Why is that ? 1314.15 1314.65 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1324.062 1324.764 1324.25 1324.67 Right . 1324.67 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1324.976 1325.564 1325.08 1325.52 Okay . 1325.52 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1325.391 1330.907 1325.9 1330.61 Could it be an on off thing ? Like if you want it on Yeah . 1327.87 1330.61 ES2002b A MEE006 0 1327.24 1353.037 1327.84 1352.94 Um , but what I'm saying is that we're we're trying to lock ourselves into a s particular kind of technology , rather than focusing on on exactly what are the features that we're gonna say , and then , you know , say speech recognition is good for this , speech recognition is not good for this . So maybe we should I suggest that we think about speech recognition , anyway it's a it's something that can be used to fulfil a function , but at end of the day we don't look at the technology , but we look at the function first . 1329.15 1333.53 1337.83 1338.62 1339.34 1341.21 1343.33 1346.34 1349.15 1351.53 1352.94 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1328.928 1330.518 1328.97 1330.41 Where you can activate it and deactivate it ? 1330.41 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1333.151 1333.71 1333.22 1333.65 Yeah . 1333.65 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1333.204 1333.718 1333.41 1333.68 Yeah . 1333.68 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1337.237 1339.451 1337.31 1339.37 Yeah . Sure . 1339.03 1339.37 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1337.668 1338.329 1337.78 1338.16 Okay . 1338.16 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1342.674 1344.671 1342.9 1344.46 Sure . Yeah . 1344.23 1344.46 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1343.2 1344.124 1343.42 1344.05 Okay . 1344.05 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1345.565 1347.566 1345.82 1347.566 Sure . 1347.26 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1349.025 1349.686 1349.26 1349.65 Uh-huh . 1349.65 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1351.555 1352.035 1351.67 1351.95 Yeah . 1351.95 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1352.609 1380.26 1353.15 1380.23 Okay . Uh okay , well do you wanna um give us your presentation and then then we can I don't know um might have been a good idea to all deliver our presentations and then discuss , but this is this is how we're Yeah , exactly , yeah . Oh it's something that's just occurred to me as well is if we make it um speech reco if we incorporate speech recognition , that's appealing to people um maybe with a physical disability as well . Um . 1354.16 1354.8 1362.49 1366.09 1366.71 1367.77 1373.72 1379.68 1380.23 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1353.057 1354.463 1353.21 1354.27 Sure . Yep . 1354.08 1354.27 ES2002b A MEE006 0 1357.306 1357.816 1357.33 1357.74 Okay , sure . 1357.56 1357.74 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1358.108 1358.847 1358.51 1358.75 Yep . 1358.75 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1361.943 1367.714 1362.35 1367.714 Yeah , it's good well it's good to get ideas out while they're fresh in mind . Um 1362.54 1367.21 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1375.897 1376.895 1376.17 1376.895 Not - ES2002b D MEE008 3 1379.078 1396.709 1379.25 1396.709 Yeah . And not losing . And also it helps in terms of people not losing this , you know they they're saying oh it's I lose it in the couch . like we're kind of what we're b sort of getting in into here is mating different uh design features together that they 1380.08 1381.24 1384.75 1389.49 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1384.847 1385.845 1384.847 1385.79 Yeah . 1385.79 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1388.324 1389.137 1388.53 1389.01 Yeah . 1389.01 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1395.131 1395.866 1395.25 1395.83 Mm-hmm . 1395.83 ES2002b C MEE007 2 1396.817 1407.017 1396.86 1406.66 I reckon one problem with speech recognition is um I've actually seen one of them used and uh the technology that was in that one wasn't particularly amazing , so you end up yelling at the control for hours . Channel up . 1403.75 1405.84 1406.66 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1405.562 1406.153 1405.58 1406.09 Really ? 1406.09 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1404.917 1407.92 1405.68 1407.73 Right . Oh really , you've seen one before . 1406.61 1406.86 1407.73 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1406.954 1413.816 1407.56 1413.73 Do you think maybe we need like further advances in that kind of area until it's worthwhile incorporating it though ? 1413.73 ES2002b C MEE007 2 1409.424 1410.452 1409.5 1410.452 Um - ES2002b C MEE007 2 1412.954 1416.033 1412.98 1415.61 I think it'd probably quite expensive to put in . 1415.61 ES2002b A MEE006 0 1414.083 1416.68 1414.22 1416.47 Sorry , do you mind passing me my notepad . Thanks . 1414.53 1415.98 1416.47 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1414.793 1418.825 1414.88 1418.19 Mm . Course not . There you go . 1415.57 1417.74 1418.19 ES2002b A MEE006 0 1417.386 1476.491 1417.41 1476.09 Cool , um . Okay . Um . Well this is just the working design um . Well this is just what how I would go about it . Um I guess I try to define like what we're doing now , try to define what we're trying to get done . Um I think in a practical way , we kind of know what it is . We've used it , we're familiar with it , but we're we can't n we haven't narrowed down um exactly what the things we're trying to fulfil , like Besides the basics , I think back in the back of our minds we know what the basics are . Has to change channels , has to change volume , but in like specifics , right , which one of the basics are you trying to target . Um are there certain parts of the basics that are more important or less important than the basics ? Um and I just the idea is just to get everybody to um I usually have a have have a design that's there as a basic , so , you know , things that to start everything going . But I guess everybody does have some idea , so I don't think um there's a need for that . 1418.24 1419.3 1419.43 1422.06 1425.79 1428.71 1432.4 1434.16 1436.0 1437.18 1437.81 1438.66 1444.05 1445.87 1449.16 1449.96 1450.75 1452.88 1453.17 1455.56 1459.9 1468.9 1469.89 1470.19 1472.54 1474.23 1476.09 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1421.23 1421.821 1421.25 1421.45 Right . 1421.45 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1424.011 1424.784 1424.05 1424.7 Mm-hmm . 1424.7 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1434.208 1434.911 1434.23 1434.62 Right . 1434.62 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1455.107 1455.92 1455.32 1455.61 Mm-hmm . 1455.61 ES2002b A MEE006 0 1476.491 1524.311 1477.09 1524.26 Um okay this finding things is a little bit confusing , so I'll go into the diagram first . It just explains how the process goes through , from a from the basic technology point of view , the basic steps that you need um in the diagram and in this slide probably works better . Um okay , you need some power source . 'Kay , a battery or something , to keep it going . Um and that power source is important because it ties you down to um how long the device will last . Um it ties you down perhaps a bit later on in terms of the technologies um how far you can transmit the signal or the complexity of the functions that you want . Like for example , voice recognition , right . That might be constrained because that you might need to power a microphone , you might need to power other things , so that's one perhaps constraint there . Um 1481.56 1483.34 1485.74 1488.0 1492.49 1493.76 1495.88 1495.95 1496.83 1498.27 1505.13 1514.55 1515.24 1516.06 1516.58 1519.56 1521.15 1523.71 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1485.419 1486.159 1485.57 1486.07 Mm-hmm . 1486.07 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1496.664 1497.403 1496.79 1497.26 Mm-hmm . 1497.26 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1504.507 1505.172 1504.72 1505.07 Uh-huh . 1505.07 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1513.057 1513.871 1513.32 1513.82 Mm-hmm . 1513.82 ES2002b A MEE006 0 1525.03 1594.485 1525.03 1594.37 Th Okay , the basic thing is there's a user interface where people punch a button or talk into it or smile to it or blink their eyes , whatever . You know , and that um picks up an input from a user , um uh a logic a series of logic has to decide what the user is telling the device , and the device has to r you know , based on you push button A_ , so I will do something with button A_ . So maybe button A_ is the power button , okay . Um and then it needs to be able to send the signal out to the device itself which is the receiver here . Um and I think that's about it in terms of my design um . It's fairly general , um and I guess the purpose of this is also not to restrict you in in the way you're thinking , like um voice recognition , right , um , if it's something which is important then we just add more power rather than having a thing that we don't have enough power . So it's not really a constraint in that sense , but I mean these are functionally , you know , the base , what the technology has to do . Um so I guess the rest of it I think we should maybe you you wanna go back to what the functions are ? I think that's more relevant to a discussion ? 1526.32 1534.22 1535.1 1535.37 1538.85 1544.87 1546.52 1548.57 1550.01 1551.93 1552.64 1557.86 1562.87 1564.38 1569.04 1571.0 1571.76 1573.05 1578.28 1579.81 1582.64 1583.13 1583.86 1586.51 1591.73 1594.37 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1534.216 1534.623 1534.28 1534.44 Hmm . 1534.44 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1550.355 1551.317 1550.55 1551.15 Mm-hmm . 1551.15 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1551.75 1552.342 1551.87 1552.17 Mm-hmm . 1552.17 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1567.53 1568.306 1567.66 1568.08 Mm-hmm . 1568.08 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1578.479 1579.182 1578.57 1579.01 Okay . 1579.01 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1579.636 1580.413 1579.71 1580.0 Mm-hmm . 1580.0 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1583.077 1584.368 1583.23 1584.32 Mm-hmm . Okay . 1583.99 1584.32 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1585.693 1586.469 1585.85 1586.38 Okay . 1586.38 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1585.851 1586.554 1586.09 1586.38 Mm-hmm . 1586.38 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1592.565 1593.134 1592.93 1593.1 'Kay . 1593.1 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1592.857 1599.512 1593.03 1599.25 Uh . Well , do you wan do you wanna finish up your your whole presentation then ? Are you are you all done ? 1594.55 1594.82 1598.31 1599.25 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1594.645 1596.121 1594.89 1596.09 Sure . Sure . 1595.83 1596.09 ES2002b A MEE006 0 1597.333 1611.275 1597.37 1611.275 Yeah , w I'm done . More or less . Yeah . Ps Oh , it's just putting the rest of it into words , but it's essentially the same thing . Um you have a transmitter , an input device , logic chip , you know , stuff like that . Um 1597.57 1598.84 1599.6 1600.64 1601.13 1603.1 1605.0 1607.32 1608.12 1609.01 1609.52 1610.81 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1603.63 1604.258 1603.91 1604.13 Yep . 1604.13 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1604.255 1604.995 1604.44 1604.93 Mm . 1604.93 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1607.511 1608.066 1607.57 1608.03 Okay . 1608.03 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1609.471 1611.576 1609.68 1611.28 Okay . Right . 1610.84 1611.28 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1609.586 1610.343 1609.76 1610.02 Right . 1610.02 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1610.343 1625.59 1610.87 1625.52 And like on the means b Since we're on the topic of the technology , uh are there any like what are our options ? Alright , what's what i in Is this the only way that we go about it , or are there other thin 1615.66 1618.46 1618.65 1622.85 ES2002b A MEE006 0 1612.335 1613.654 1612.86 1613.654 I guess this would be - ES2002b A MEE006 0 1615.022 1615.404 1615.23 1615.37 Yep . 1615.37 ES2002b A MEE006 0 1623.574 1646.842 1623.71 1646.6 Um , these these aren't technology options in that sense . This is just um a basic principles and basic components that are needed . For example , if you needed um if you needed to add uh a voice recognition , right , then your user interface would be split , broken down into more components , right , which you have a microphone , the V_R_ and stuff like that . Uh 1624.79 1627.27 1632.63 1633.26 1638.36 1638.59 1640.82 1642.29 1642.6 1644.35 1646.31 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1626.999 1627.502 1627.22 1627.44 Right . 1627.44 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1628.282 1629.684 1628.48 1629.684 The basic principle of - ES2002b B FEE005 1 1629.439 1630.29 1629.68 1630.25 Okay . 1630.25 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1630.502 1631.223 1630.97 1631.12 'Kay . 1631.12 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1631.907 1632.517 1632.25 1632.45 Right . 1632.45 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1632.14 1633.027 1632.43 1632.88 Mm-hmm . 1632.88 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1640.914 1642.05 1640.914 1642.02 Okay . 1642.02 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1641.763 1642.576 1642.0 1642.43 Mm-hmm . 1642.43 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1643.627 1648.694 1644.23 1648.66 Oh . So this just show how we're kind of modularising the whole thing . Okay . 1645.54 1648.23 1648.66 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1644.433 1645.135 1644.65 1645.02 Okay . 1645.02 ES2002b A MEE006 0 1647.507 1684.733 1647.65 1684.67 Yep . Yep . So each component represents one function , but I think the basic functions are the logic , the transmitter , um and the receiver , okay , and the power are things that you won't have to care about . Um and those are things that based on what your user interface requires then we'll add more functionality to it . Um there might be one other consideration which would be that the the transmission between the remote control and the T_V_ for example . Okay , um are we gonna restrict ourselves to using the traditional technologies of infra-red thing ? Because that's something you need to actually be physically be pointing to . Right . 1648.34 1648.68 1651.27 1653.35 1654.7 1656.32 1656.9 1660.06 1665.48 1674.25 1674.67 1680.47 1684.13 1684.67 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1651.071 1651.663 1651.19 1651.61 Mm-hmm . 1651.61 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1655.669 1656.249 1655.96 1656.21 Mm-hmm . 1656.21 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1659.434 1659.952 1659.55 1659.86 Mm-hmm . 1659.86 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1659.875 1660.466 1659.9 1660.32 Yeah . 1660.32 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1663.472 1664.063 1663.61 1664.01 Mm-hmm . 1664.01 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1665.173 1665.912 1665.34 1665.77 Okay . 1665.77 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1673.718 1674.421 1673.86 1674.31 Okay . 1674.31 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1674.12 1675.081 1674.12 1674.98 Okay . 1674.98 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1679.785 1680.376 1679.87 1680.3 Okay . 1680.3 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1683.461 1708.184 1683.49 1708.05 Okay . Well well a worry that was was expressed in the new requirements was that if we made this too complex it would e it would effect um how long how long it took us to get this to market , so I th suspect it might be a good idea just to restrict our kind of our creative influence on this on the user interface and not worry so much about uh how we transmit it um because I mean it it's tried and tested intra-red , so we could stay with tha 1684.95 1693.62 1706.57 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1683.383 1683.83 1683.56 1683.78 Right . 1683.78 ES2002b A MEE006 0 1703.636 1704.006 1703.69 1703.95 Yep . 1703.95 ES2002b A MEE006 0 1707.076 1746.036 1707.23 1745.94 There might be one other problem with the transmission , um in particular right now , since we're talking about voice recognition . Um if somebody's gonna h talk to the device , you ideally want them to hold it to them . I it you may not require that , but you know , um it's it's it's something very natural , I guess , you know , to hold it , to signal to the user , and push a button maybe to start s talking about it . Then you need to send the signal out , so because if you're using infra-red , the line of sight um say the T_V_'s at that chair , and I'm standing in front of here and the transmitter is here , it blocks it . So in that sense , there's not really a restriction but it's something which you may have to think about later on in the process . Not so much further down . 1709.62 1711.13 1713.13 1715.75 1718.07 1719.78 1720.51 1722.5 1723.41 1723.6 1724.47 1725.91 1728.38 1729.72 1731.37 1734.96 1737.39 1738.57 1739.77 1744.49 1745.94 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1715.879 1716.248 1715.9 1716.18 Mm-hmm - ES2002b B FEE005 1 1717.685 1718.754 1717.685 1718.63 Oh , yeah . 1718.27 1718.63 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1717.982 1718.685 1718.21 1718.46 Right . 1718.46 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1719.572 1720.312 1719.83 1720.13 Right . 1720.13 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1722.851 1725.437 1723.07 1725.437 Yeah , mm-hmm . 1723.65 1725.32 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1727.512 1728.252 1727.69 1728.17 Okay . 1728.17 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1729.547 1730.36 1729.8 1730.21 Mm . 1730.21 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1732.281 1732.984 1732.39 1732.8 Mm . 1732.8 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1736.607 1737.309 1736.91 1737.27 Yeah . 1737.27 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1738.123 1738.808 1738.36 1738.77 Okay . 1738.77 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1741.566 1742.195 1741.87 1742.1 Right . 1742.1 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1744.085 1744.677 1744.33 1744.6 Okay . 1744.6 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1744.861 1745.489 1744.94 1745.41 Okay . 1745.41 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1745.379 1762.445 1745.56 1762.02 And um just a clarification before we finish this . Uh does c is our controller is it have the option of being um on a standard uh frequency as all of the other equipment , so that the one controller can control several pieces of equipment ? 1748.25 1758.16 1762.02 ES2002b A MEE006 0 1759.442 1770.721 1759.46 1770.64 There's there's not much specific specific information , but I think that um one indication of infra-red mean that you're just targeting traditional devices . Because infra-red is something which everybody has . 1763.05 1768.95 1770.64 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1762.225 1762.595 1762.39 1762.51 W - ES2002b B FEE005 1 1768.581 1790.439 1768.6 1790.35 Yeah . W Well well we've um In the new requirement spec they said just to focus on the T_V_ , so that's what we should do for now I think . Something I was wondering about was the power . Um , is it worth considering like having like a charging unit as opposed to just regular batteries ? I mean is that something we really want to go into , do you think , or should we just consider running on regular batteries ? 1769.13 1775.09 1776.85 1778.73 1779.49 1784.86 1787.16 1787.59 1790.35 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1768.633 1769.299 1768.81 1769.13 Okay . 1769.13 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1773.553 1775.402 1774.07 1775.27 Just to T_V_ , okay . 1774.96 1775.27 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1776.27 1776.909 1776.59 1776.85 Okay . 1776.85 ES2002b A MEE006 0 1787.777 1822.958 1787.93 1822.89 There's a there's Okay , from from a from a component point of view there's added complexity , and you add cost to it , um and then there's probably the fact that you need another physical component . You need a docking cradle , for example , for you to put it in to charge . Or you need to get the user to plug it in . Um and most users are very f use already used to the idea of buying batteries and putting it into the controller . But unless the controller's gonna consume a lot of batteries , like he's gonna run through like twenty batteries a month , then I don't think rechargeable is something we should you know , we really need to care about . Um . 1789.39 1793.21 1794.93 1798.86 1799.91 1800.42 1802.31 1804.93 1810.75 1814.47 1817.31 1819.9 1822.43 1822.89 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1792.773 1793.402 1792.98 1793.33 Uh-huh . 1793.33 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1794.158 1794.75 1794.37 1794.72 Uh-huh . 1794.72 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1799.907 1801.424 1799.97 1801.13 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 1800.79 1801.13 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1800.074 1800.924 1800.41 1800.89 Yeah . 1800.89 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1802.108 1802.816 1802.3 1802.78 Okay . 1802.78 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1804.629 1805.848 1804.93 1805.848 Okay , so 1805.24 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1809.976 1810.531 1810.07 1810.5 Yeah . 1810.5 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1816.043 1816.745 1816.13 1816.68 Yeah . 1816.68 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1819.692 1820.233 1819.94 1820.15 Yeah . 1820.15 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1819.969 1822.444 1820.02 1822.444 Okay , so just stick to to regular 1820.35 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1822.444 1823.849 1822.98 1823.72 Okay . 1823.72 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1823.849 1862.351 1824.34 1862.09 Um , right . So basically the um I'm just gonna just recap uh what I said at the start , was that um the the whole point of this meeting was to f absolutely finalise who we're gonna aim this at , and what exactly the product's gonna do . So um just to recap on Are we all happy about the idea of um aiming the product at um the fifteen to thirty five bracket ? Um and also the funct the the actual functions of what it's gonna do . Do you wanna recap on that , Craig ? 1827.09 1827.66 1834.21 1841.09 1843.42 1854.36 1860.32 1861.5 1862.09 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1841.073 1841.701 1841.22 1841.52 Okay . 1841.52 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1842.959 1843.625 1843.35 1843.58 Okay . 1843.58 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1854.051 1855.456 1854.19 1855.17 Yeah , that's good . 1854.77 1855.17 ES2002b C MEE007 2 1863.166 1872.801 1863.22 1872.73 Um . I think we just say that it was gonna be the the most basic stuff possible . Um on off , up and down channels , up and down volume and uh skip to a channel . 1864.6 1867.65 1869.54 1870.43 1872.73 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1874.399 1875.79 1874.46 1875.73 Okay , right . 1875.08 1875.73 ES2002b C MEE007 2 1874.46 1874.989 1874.82 1874.88 Ta . 1874.88 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1874.522 1881.148 1875.07 1880.95 And is it going to include any of the uh the more advanced features , or are we gonna eliminate those ? 1879.41 1880.95 ES2002b C MEE007 2 1880.601 1887.278 1880.68 1887.2 Um I think we include mute , but apart from that um I think we just we'll go for the simpleness . 1882.8 1887.2 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1887.174 1895.833 1887.59 1895.833 Okay . R is it is it is it s is it not an option still that we include some things just as a sort of under like sort of under a door or some 1888.19 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1887.591 1888.256 1887.77 1888.19 Okay . 1888.19 ES2002b A MEE006 0 1888.044 1888.784 1888.18 1888.74 Okay , I think 1888.37 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1894.783 1897.656 1894.97 1897.57 Yeah , it's as optional functions . 1895.15 1897.57 ES2002b C MEE007 2 1895.036 1895.51 1895.1 1895.31 Yeah . 1895.31 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1896.552 1915.592 1897.0 1915.27 'Cause what what I'm I'd be a bit worried about is if someone was h had previously developed habits of expecting to control surround sound or this and that with their controller and then and then they , you know , w they get ours and w it's doesn't have that . I dunno if that'd be a problem . 1910.4 1910.62 1914.3 1915.27 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1914.019 1916.473 1914.34 1916.473 Okay . 1916.41 ES2002b A MEE006 0 1916.408 1965.398 1916.61 1964.89 Another thing that you were saying about categorising the controls ? Um maybe I could suggest we we break them down into three simple categories . One would be audio controls , one would be video controls , and the other one would be a device . Um this may not map very well to advanced functionality especially , but I think that um from a manufacturer's point of view , from a person designing the device , but I think from a point of view of a person using the device , you know a T_V_ is something they see and something they hear , um it's something they do other things to like turn it on and turn it off . I mean like so what we could have is like three buckets , right , where we could throw things into , like if we want this feature , let's throw it into there , and then from there decide whether it's basic , or it's non-basic . I mean it might help with the visualisation . And it would actually help with the component build as well . 1920.36 1925.02 1926.94 1928.59 1930.28 1934.62 1937.62 1939.69 1943.23 1946.12 1949.66 1952.28 1952.7 1953.83 1954.8 1956.22 1958.03 1959.55 1961.85 1964.89 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1919.692 1920.505 1919.93 1920.36 Mm-hmm . 1920.36 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1924.53 1925.565 1924.55 1925.34 Yeah . Okay . 1924.94 1925.34 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1926.277 1927.016 1926.4 1926.95 Mm-hmm . 1926.95 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1928.254 1928.919 1928.43 1928.77 Okay . 1928.77 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1937.075 1937.888 1937.6 1937.85 Yeah . 1937.85 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1945.401 1946.029 1945.48 1945.88 Mm-hmm . 1945.88 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1949.402 1949.993 1949.52 1949.96 Yeah . 1949.96 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1950.218 1951.031 1950.52 1950.74 Right . 1950.74 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1955.619 1956.296 1955.87 1956.15 Yeah . 1956.15 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1958.911 1960.702 1959.08 1960.42 'Kay , okay . Like that . 1959.28 1959.65 1960.42 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1960.702 1961.516 1961.08 1961.41 Okay . 1961.41 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1963.991 1966.507 1964.53 1966.43 Mm-hmm . Mm okay , great . 1965.25 1966.17 1966.43 ES2002b B FEE005 1 1965.048 2025.683 1965.13 2025.61 Okay , right . Um , okay well I gotta kind of got five minutes to wrap up now . Um next thing we're doing is having lunch . Whoohoo . Um and then we're gonna have thirty minutes of working on the next stage . Um so I'll be putting the minutes of this uh this meeting into the project documents folder . Um so uh I guess just to just to confirm that we know what we're doing in the next well in the thirty minutes after lunch anyway , um for uh our Industrial Designer , you're gonna be thinking about the components concept . Um User Interface Designer gonna be thinking about our user interface , and marketing you're gonna be thinking about trend watching . Um and you'll all get specific instructions as well . So um I dunno , just just to to ask now if you've got anything else you've thought about while we've been talking . Um , do you wanna start with David . Anything else to say at all ? No , okay . Andrew ? 1966.5 1967.54 1968.48 1971.92 1973.72 1974.01 1979.36 1985.6 1993.87 1997.84 2001.0 2004.28 2007.49 2010.27 2012.08 2018.37 2018.66 2021.1 2023.42 2023.87 2025.05 2025.61 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1985.151 1985.816 1985.41 1985.74 Mm-hmm . 1985.74 ES2002b D MEE008 3 1991.262 1991.931 1991.56 1991.82 Mm-hmm . 1991.82 ES2002b A MEE006 0 2022.603 2024.29 2022.75 2023.8 Mm no , not really . 2023.29 2023.8 ES2002b D MEE008 3 2024.414 2044.536 2024.85 2044.32 Um yeah , just I just wanted to ask then before we wrap up , shall we agree for sake of um sort of clarity and when we when we r resume that we'll u use this idea David's proposed , where we think of these three sort of buckets and anything anything we discuss about them is sort of , okay , we're talking about this . Shall we do that , then ? Okay , great . 2025.63 2028.14 2035.75 2040.49 2040.69 2042.04 2042.58 2043.28 2043.91 2044.32 ES2002b B FEE005 1 2037.656 2039.962 2037.78 2039.91 Yeah , yeah I think that's definitely a good idea . 2038.04 2039.91 ES2002b B FEE005 1 2041.836 2043.233 2041.93 2043.2 Uh-huh . Yeah . 2042.79 2043.2 ES2002b A MEE006 0 2041.651 2042.549 2042.23 2042.46 Mm . 2042.46 ES2002b C MEE007 2 2044.223 2048.456 2044.56 2048.39 Um just about the three buckets , um what would go in the the device functions one ? 2046.08 2048.39 ES2002b A MEE006 0 2048.463 2085.921 2048.61 2085.6 Um things like on off . Because they don't have anything to do with what you see . I me mean in terms of picture and the entertainment value , you know , um so um And channel . Because the on off also goes , you know , like on off like power , not on off sound . Not on off video . Although you don't turn off the video on your T_V_ , but um you might wanna you know turn off the sound , say you wanna pick up the phone , there's a mute button , right , so you you have you have a choice of putting it on to um others or a device . Device is basically anything which we can't categorise , right . We put it out . 2050.79 2053.45 2057.41 2057.91 2062.15 2064.39 2064.62 2065.9 2066.87 2068.7 2071.15 2073.82 2074.62 2075.29 2075.51 2082.19 2084.53 2085.05 2085.6 ES2002b B FEE005 1 2052.995 2053.882 2053.06 2053.68 Yeah . 2053.68 ES2002b B FEE005 1 2058.157 2058.781 2058.21 2058.71 Okay . 2058.71 ES2002b D MEE008 3 2060.04 2060.964 2060.2 2060.9 And and channel . 2060.9 ES2002b C MEE007 2 2060.209 2060.863 2060.23 2060.23 Um - ES2002b D MEE008 3 2061.81 2062.291 2061.88 2062.18 Right . 2062.18 ES2002b B FEE005 1 2066.854 2067.435 2066.87 2067.32 Yeah . 2067.32 ES2002b B FEE005 1 2071.874 2072.539 2072.05 2072.5 Okay . 2072.5 ES2002b B FEE005 1 2075.573 2076.127 2075.6 2076.09 Okay . 2076.09 ES2002b B FEE005 1 2084.488 2093.07 2084.83 2092.97 Okay , so you're gonna have um audio which is gonna be like you know your bass settings and actual volume hi Okay . 2085.13 2092.97 ES2002b D MEE008 3 2089.9 2090.414 2089.98 2090.27 Mm-hmm . 2090.27 ES2002b A MEE006 0 2090.37 2098.767 2090.54 2098.68 Yeah , anything to do with what you hear , right . You you put that into audio . And then video is anything that you can see . Um . 2090.75 2092.19 2092.54 2094.11 2098.17 2098.68 ES2002b D MEE008 3 2092.23 2092.799 2092.41 2092.66 Mm-hmm . 2092.66 ES2002b B FEE005 1 2093.846 2095.848 2093.93 2095.848 Okay , and then visual 2094.19 ES2002b D MEE008 3 2093.952 2094.577 2094.05 2094.32 Mm-hmm . 2094.32 ES2002b D MEE008 3 2097.207 2097.767 2097.44 2097.7 Mm-hmm . 2097.7 ES2002b B FEE005 1 2097.431 2108.784 2097.53 2108.784 Okay , so brightness , contrast , things like that , and then just actual device things , like what channel you're watching , turning on an off , stuff like that . Okay , um 2098.56 2099.2 2100.13 2100.87 2102.55 2104.34 2105.73 2106.98 2108.27 ES2002b A MEE006 0 2099.691 2100.168 2099.81 2100.08 Yep . 2100.08 ES2002b D MEE008 3 2100.416 2101.045 2100.44 2100.98 Colour , yeah . 2100.76 2100.98 ES2002b A MEE006 0 2102.318 2102.734 2102.38 2102.57 Yep . 2102.57 ES2002b D MEE008 3 2103.042 2103.462 2103.11 2103.38 Sure . 2103.38 ES2002b D MEE008 3 2104.236 2104.652 2104.26 2104.59 Sure . 2104.59 ES2002b A MEE006 0 2104.718 2105.408 2105.1 2105.28 Yep . 2105.28 ES2002b D MEE008 3 2105.382 2106.041 2105.63 2105.95 Okay . 2105.95 ES2002b D MEE008 3 2108.046 2120.902 2108.24 2120.8 And then k I suppose quite likely what would happen is in the d device category there might be some which are just like the habitual standard and then others which are maybe a bit more Yeah . Sure , okay . Okay . 2118.65 2119.12 2120.35 2120.8 ES2002b A MEE006 0 2116.153 2134.831 2116.34 2133.06 Like random which we have no other place to put , but we need it somewhere there . Um even even if it doesn't map very clearly what happens is that people at least have some in their mind . It's easy to use , I think that's one thing that um and I guess from the component point of view it's easy to build as well 'cause things are like fixed . 2118.83 2120.46 2125.62 2126.53 2134.66 ES2002b B FEE005 1 2116.297 2116.925 2116.35 2116.81 Mm-hmm . 2116.81 ES2002b B FEE005 1 2118.577 2119.128 2118.61 2119.09 Yeah . 2119.09 ES2002b B FEE005 1 2120.204 2120.833 2120.3 2120.8 Okay . 2120.8 ES2002b B FEE005 1 2130.692 2131.431 2130.73 2131.32 Okay . 2131.32 ES2002b D MEE008 3 2133.372 2134.296 2133.88 2134.23 Okay . 2134.23 ES2002b B FEE005 1 2133.889 2156.979 2133.889 2156.2 Okay . Um so yeah , I guess just things to think about are you know like the fact it's gotta look good , because of who we're we're , you know , targeting this at . Um something maybe kind of quirky in design maybe . Make it kind of ergonomic kind of to hold , you know , things like that . Um , so I guess I guess that's it . That's the meeting over . Whoohoo . 2135.12 2135.83 2139.45 2141.04 2141.5 2142.97 2145.72 2148.73 2149.05 2150.51 2152.16 2154.18 2155.72 2156.2 ES2002b D MEE008 3 2145.251 2146.101 2145.65 2145.94 Mm-hmm . 2145.94 ES2002b D MEE008 3 2147.772 2148.512 2148.13 2148.43 Mm-hmm . 2148.43 ES2002b D MEE008 3 2153.876 2154.524 2154.1 2154.42 Great . 2154.42 ES2002b D MEE008 3 2162.399 2166.135 2162.6 2165.06 Then we get to go find out what was picked up for lunch for us . 2165.82 ES2002c A MEE006 0 0.0 8.837 0.02 8.77 'S to do now is to decide how to fulfil what your stuff is , so in that sense so it does kind of make sense , yeah . 3.86 7.16 8.77 ES2002c D MEE008 3 0.6 0.956 0.64 0.91 Yeah . 0.91 ES2002c B FEE005 1 4.135 5.294 4.42 5.16 Okay . 5.16 ES2002c D MEE008 3 4.998 15.166 5.03 15.12 Yeah , sure . It kinda does make sense , doesn't it , because when we get into the end of meeting we're kind of talking about action and design as opposed to background . Everything I have is kinda background . 5.74 6.95 7.93 8.16 13.62 15.12 ES2002c B FEE005 1 6.312 7.716 6.49 7.716 Okay , well 7.01 ES2002c A MEE006 0 12.71 13.268 12.79 13.15 Yep . 13.15 ES2002c B FEE005 1 12.993 13.686 13.07 13.56 Okay . 13.56 ES2002c B FEE005 1 15.056 20.64 15.08 20.64 Okay we all ready to go ? Well how um on the in this meeting then if we um 16.51 ES2002c A MEE006 0 16.262 16.626 16.5 16.59 Yep . 16.59 ES2002c B FEE005 1 21.936 28.944 22.0 28.91 I'll just just recap on the minutes from the last meeting . And we uh decided on 25.59 ES2002c A MEE006 0 28.864 30.352 29.39 30.16 Yep . 30.16 ES2002c B FEE005 1 30.272 57.772 30.29 57.51 decided on our our target group being fifteen to thirty five , and we decided that it was gonna be non-rechargeable battery-powered , that we're gonna group our audio-visual and other functions into into those categories , um . And I told you guys about the three new requirements about ignoring teletext , ignoring everything except the T_V_ , and trying to incorporate the the uh corporate colour and slogan . 34.6 39.05 44.7 47.59 51.32 53.25 57.51 ES2002c D MEE008 3 34.064 34.84 34.09 34.49 Mm-hmm . 34.49 ES2002c B FEE005 1 57.772 62.4 58.07 62.37 Um so that was the last meeting . Is there anything have I forgotten anything ? 60.98 62.37 ES2002c A MEE006 0 60.987 61.765 61.13 61.54 Mm-hmm . 61.54 ES2002c A MEE006 0 63.024 63.529 63.05 63.25 No . 63.25 ES2002c D MEE008 3 63.573 65.456 63.72 65.22 Uh that sounds . 65.22 ES2002c B FEE005 1 63.84 93.744 64.0 93.71 Is that everything ? Okay . Um so if we have the three presentations , and then if you have anything to kind of that you know you're gonna want to discuss , maybe just make a note of it , and we'll have all the discussion at the end . That might be a better idea this time . And so if we start off uh with Andrew and then Craig and then David , if that's alright . Um and then after that we'll have to make some decisions about stuff , right . So if you wanna take this . 64.47 65.38 67.7 72.49 73.51 75.18 76.88 82.89 84.25 90.04 91.34 93.71 ES2002c D MEE008 3 75.232 75.913 75.32 75.83 Sure . 75.83 ES2002c D MEE008 3 77.069 77.568 77.19 77.53 Okay . 77.53 ES2002c D MEE008 3 82.496 83.952 83.11 83.55 Sure . 83.55 ES2002c A MEE006 0 84.261 84.608 84.29 84.44 Yep . 84.44 ES2002c D MEE008 3 89.152 90.836 89.19 90.54 Yeah , cool . 90.34 90.54 ES2002c D MEE008 3 91.552 93.248 91.57 93.1 Why don't I get that ? 93.1 ES2002c D MEE008 3 94.447 94.785 94.54 94.72 Hmm . 94.72 ES2002c B FEE005 1 100.704 102.176 100.73 101.99 Screwed in quite tightly . 101.99 ES2002c B FEE005 1 107.789 130.48 108.02 130.44 Uh what did uh how did we leave it with speech recognition now ? We did we say we were gonna try maybe incorporate it but we hadn't made a definite decision on that ? Right . Oh I should also point out that um the you know the kind of final objective of this meeting is to reach a decision on the concepts of the product . So um that's kind of the end result hopefully . 110.61 116.45 117.11 126.1 130.44 ES2002c A MEE006 0 114.736 115.221 114.76 114.98 Mm-hmm . 114.98 ES2002c D MEE008 3 125.392 126.894 125.42 126.894 Okay . 126.33 ES2002c D MEE008 3 131.302 132.864 132.04 132.66 Okay . 132.66 ES2002c D MEE008 3 134.256 137.552 134.29 137.44 Um alright so c is it function F_ eight ? 137.44 ES2002c B FEE005 1 138.878 139.552 138.878 139.45 Uh-huh . 139.45 ES2002c B FEE005 1 140.816 142.416 140.84 142.21 Hopefully appear in a wee second . 142.21 ES2002c D MEE008 3 140.84 141.508 140.86 141.25 Hmm . 141.25 ES2002c D MEE008 3 142.672 147.28 144.55 147.25 Come on . I think it's working . 146.48 147.25 ES2002c B FEE005 1 147.664 148.416 147.68 148.33 Up there we go . 148.33 ES2002c D MEE008 3 148.544 152.56 148.57 152.56 Okay great s so let me just start this . 152.39 ES2002c D MEE008 3 156.608 160.496 156.63 160.33 Okay great . So um uh s move on . 157.59 160.33 ES2002c D MEE008 3 161.616 170.112 161.64 170.08 Uh-huh oh where'd it all go ? It's not good . Okay lemme just see where I can find it . 165.29 166.73 170.08 ES2002c B FEE005 1 165.184 166.864 165.184 166.66 Oh no . 166.66 ES2002c D MEE008 3 179.392 181.04 179.59 180.79 This looks more like it . 180.79 ES2002c D MEE008 3 182.432 198.53 182.46 198.37 I think I just opened up the template . Sorry about that . Okay alright so let's have a look here . Okay so this was the method that um I've taken . Uh basically what I wanna do here , before we get into it uh too far , is I want to show you all the background information I have that I think we need to acknowledge if we want this to be successful . 183.96 184.76 186.86 189.44 190.99 192.4 198.37 ES2002c B FEE005 1 183.92 184.768 184.01 184.52 Oh right . 184.52 ES2002c B FEE005 1 186.964 187.939 187.05 187.89 Here we go . 187.89 ES2002c B FEE005 1 198.72 199.168 198.74 199.13 Okay . 199.13 ES2002c D MEE008 3 198.53 208.91 199.16 208.54 And uh and then sorta g go through some of the way that I've dealt with that information , and then sort of bring us all together into it to see sorta see how this fits in with the overall vision . 203.26 208.54 ES2002c D MEE008 3 208.91 234.421 209.14 234.28 Um so I've tried to take a whole lot of market research and summarise it for us , and then ide identify uh trends that are are sort of in sync and are important to our our uh p project plan that we have so far , and then uh initiate a kind of discussion on design options so that it sorta helps us to to narrow in on on aspects that will inform other uh other elements of the of the project . 215.05 223.23 234.28 ES2002c D MEE008 3 234.421 260.801 234.72 260.72 Does that make sense , tha that sort of strategy ? I thought that that will impact on the rest of what we do , so that's why I suggested we get in this . Okay so out of um different uh figures and ratings ob uh of people in general , um consumers in general , the number one thing that was found was that uh the br t television remote control , a fancy look and feel , okay , and not , it specified , not a functional look or or feel , uh b f f fancy . 235.63 236.95 238.95 241.37 246.67 247.98 252.78 254.3 254.62 255.26 256.01 259.27 260.72 ES2002c B FEE005 1 235.329 235.952 235.53 235.92 Mm-hmm . 235.92 ES2002c A MEE006 0 235.482 235.939 235.64 235.89 Yep . 235.89 ES2002c B FEE005 1 239.888 241.184 239.91 241.14 Aye a fair point definitely . 241.14 ES2002c B FEE005 1 258.88 259.392 258.92 259.36 Okay . 259.36 ES2002c D MEE008 3 260.801 288.298 261.11 288.19 Um however , this is where we kinda have to be very , I think , creative about it . Number two was that it be innovative . Okay so that tells me that we have to find a way to be innovative without a adding just unnecessary um sort of functional bits to it . Uh and third priority uh for ease of use , so again that kind of gives us a general picture of how it has to be , um quite user friendly while still having technology . 262.21 264.3 264.55 265.48 268.02 276.58 279.49 284.23 288.19 ES2002c D MEE008 3 288.298 297.872 288.35 297.84 So it I'll just say right away as a bit of a foreshadowing into how we proceed with this in terms of m marketing , is that I think um what we should think about is how the um 293.65 ES2002c D MEE008 3 298.866 330.288 298.866 330.25 about how the innovation uh contributes to the look and feel , and not so much to the functionality of it . For example like when you pick it up and push it like it all lights up or something , you know what I mean , like , or it's got something else to it that just seems innovative because obviously the thing that the message here is ease of use . So how do you make innovation make something more more easy to use ? Well that's I guess where we're gonna go with this . Okay then there's the other aspect of the back the the market um 303.92 307.46 311.41 311.83 312.24 319.36 323.5 325.82 ES2002c B FEE005 1 307.6 308.423 307.62 308.39 Aye right . 308.39 ES2002c B FEE005 1 313.936 314.573 313.97 314.37 Uh-huh . 314.37 ES2002c B FEE005 1 324.992 325.504 325.01 325.47 Okay . 325.47 ES2002c D MEE008 3 331.328 356.425 331.35 356.15 research I have here is on fashion style , okay , which as we've agreed is a priority . Uh top European fashion trend um that I read about says there's this emerging theme of fruit and vegetables , okay , especially in clothes and furniture . And when I first saw that I thought hmm , well do we want to actually try and think about this trend and how we add something to it , or we get right into it , or we completely steer away from it , do you know what I mean ? 333.55 333.76 335.89 344.57 345.13 346.53 348.04 352.92 353.98 355.57 356.15 ES2002c B FEE005 1 355.558 356.832 355.89 356.8 Okay okay . 356.8 ES2002c D MEE008 3 356.425 382.503 356.72 382.42 So my my feeling is that we w do want to observe this trend , but we want to think also about the fact that it sort of has to fit in with something which is not specifically electronics . Um 'cause I think what we're in what we're in is partly sort of home decor , partly something like a computer , um so I think we might wanna be careful about how you know how quickly we create like a remote control in the shape of an apple or something , I think that would be pushing it . 360.07 368.34 372.81 374.96 381.27 382.42 ES2002c D MEE008 3 382.503 406.96 383.17 406.96 And then in terms of m material trends are for things to be soft and spongy and sort of , you might say ergonomic or or friendly to handle , which is which also in indicated that last year this was this was not the case . So um probably a lot of the competition on the market will be still in last year's mode , so if we try and really capitalise on that , I think that'll be in our favour . Um 387.86 390.66 395.39 401.86 403.8 406.19 ES2002c D MEE008 3 409.584 431.024 409.6 430.91 So these this is the summary of everything . Um style is number one uh thing in the in the market of who we're selling to . Uh innovative design technology's also a must in that it's seen it'd be seen to be uh cutting edge , uh but ease of use t has to be insured throughout . That was like the number three thing . And then at the end there are vibrant natural colours um 411.46 416.77 423.19 425.48 427.25 ES2002c D MEE008 3 432.032 450.954 432.05 450.57 that's the way I interpreted it anyway , softness in materials , shape , and function , and so I've written at written at the bottom to give us sort of a context of discussion , Mac iPods , something which is , I'd have to say very high-tech , ten gigabytes , whatever , but when you hold it in your hand there's like no buttons . You know what a Mac iPod is ? 433.8 434.92 435.34 436.56 440.4 441.97 443.83 445.72 446.33 446.98 449.43 450.57 ES2002c B FEE005 1 441.728 442.376 441.76 442.33 Mm-hmm . 442.33 ES2002c B FEE005 1 449.552 451.417 449.57 451.32 Mm that's true , yeah . 451.03 451.32 ES2002c D MEE008 3 450.954 466.672 451.04 466.672 I'm thinking however Mac iPod is sort of last year's because it's very hard and sort of glassy and glossy , so I'm thinking if we imagine that we're taking some of the features of a Mac iPod and we're then making it s more of like a more of like a comfortable type of or more of like a 456.47 ES2002c D MEE008 3 467.537 470.629 467.537 470.48 maybe more vibrant to friendly thing to have . 470.48 ES2002c D MEE008 3 471.584 492.176 471.6 492.176 Um and then so this is w with all that information what I'm what I'm suggesting in this slide here is that we we take these ideas , and as we get into more the more um techni like sort of production side of things , that we think about shape , materials , and themes or series that go throughout . Sort of like a 479.43 485.54 487.14 488.3 491.14 ES2002c D MEE008 3 494.016 502.288 494.04 502.288 I dunno like um we think of some kind of a thin theme that unifies it all , that we agree on , uh sorta like a marketing identity . Um 498.11 499.05 501.49 ES2002c D MEE008 3 503.728 525.056 503.75 524.97 Does that make sense ? Yeah . So so like I threw out a few ideas there just to kinda get us thinking along those lines like lemon , lime , I dunno , green colours , pe whatever , it's just an idea , 'cause I'm thinking that some of these ideas will seem quite coherent if we use them in terms of their what people associate this them with in terms of texture , shape , colours , things like that . 504.74 505.7 511.31 511.98 512.79 513.71 514.28 515.28 522.69 523.52 524.36 524.97 ES2002c B FEE005 1 525.28 525.856 525.35 525.81 Mm 'kay . 525.81 ES2002c B FEE005 1 526.848 527.378 526.87 527.24 Great . 527.24 ES2002c D MEE008 3 526.82 545.351 526.87 545.351 Like um the ones the ones which I'm most fond of in terms of giving like a theme to it would be like um like lemon or something like that , you know something which is , like you see a lot in in other areas . Like I see lots of websites and things that seem to associate with like lemon and lime and 535.03 536.96 540.17 ES2002c B FEE005 1 545.584 546.08 545.6 546.05 Okay . 546.05 ES2002c D MEE008 3 545.926 547.968 545.95 547.92 So anyway it's just just an idea . 547.92 ES2002c B FEE005 1 548.64 549.04 548.66 549.01 Yeah . 549.01 ES2002c D MEE008 3 549.04 578.432 549.07 578.31 I'm thinking maybe we could incorporate some of these features into a fairly um into something which is which seems to have something to it which is almost gimmicky because like um like something to do with like lighting within it . Like you know just within the simple sense , when you pick up a phone and touch a button it uh lights up , q usually the buttons light up . How can we build on that ? Maybe like it could light up in different colours or something or or people could buy the buy the control and then it comes with different like 562.49 564.41 568.54 570.42 571.56 ES2002c B FEE005 1 563.163 564.431 563.45 564.31 Ah . 564.31 ES2002c D MEE008 3 579.936 587.184 579.96 587.184 covers or something so . Anyway those are that's all I have , but uh hopefully we can we can revisit those ideas when we get into 581.38 582.91 ES2002c B FEE005 1 580.755 581.6 581.11 581.52 Okay . 581.52 ES2002c B FEE005 1 583.024 583.863 583.06 583.64 That's great . 583.64 ES2002c B FEE005 1 585.968 586.384 586.01 586.35 Uh-huh . 586.35 ES2002c B FEE005 1 588.112 594.32 588.13 594.27 Okay great . Um thank you for that . Uh Craig do you wanna 589.88 592.36 ES2002c D MEE008 3 592.369 592.75 592.56 592.71 Yep . 592.71 ES2002c B FEE005 1 596.096 598.832 596.14 598.73 uh plug yours in then ? 598.73 ES2002c C MEE007 2 640.704 641.68 640.72 641.19 Is it working ? 641.19 ES2002c B FEE005 1 641.504 642.8 641.504 642.71 Mm . 642.71 ES2002c B FEE005 1 645.84 646.798 645.86 646.75 Not quite . 646.75 ES2002c D MEE008 3 646.496 647.46 646.52 647.42 Did you press F_ eight ? 647.42 ES2002c A MEE006 0 647.728 649.488 647.89 649.15 It's probably not sending . 649.15 ES2002c A MEE006 0 650.736 651.12 650.76 651.09 Yeah . 651.09 ES2002c B FEE005 1 657.12 659.117 657.14 658.95 Oh something coming now , yeah . 658.65 658.95 ES2002c A MEE006 0 657.937 659.392 658.05 659.2 Yep , there it is . 658.65 659.2 ES2002c B FEE005 1 662.032 662.83 662.05 662.51 There we go . 662.51 ES2002c C MEE007 2 664.548 666.896 664.93 666.49 And so think of this concept . 666.49 ES2002c C MEE007 2 668.432 687.376 668.45 687.376 Um to research it I've um had a look on the the homepage again . It's provided me with more examples of um previously existing c remote controls . Um there's a wee bit of discussion about the other existing ones there , um so I've taken the um suggestions from them and tried to incorporate them into this um 672.43 677.19 681.27 ES2002c C MEE007 2 688.768 698.96 688.79 698.93 So then this we're looking for um suggestions on size th um size of control and the buttons , um the shape of the control , and whereabout the buttons should be located on the control . 694.26 696.25 698.93 ES2002c B FEE005 1 699.12 699.568 699.15 699.53 Mm . 699.53 ES2002c C MEE007 2 702.8 708.512 702.82 708.48 Um what I found from the research is that most the current controls are just basically big bricks with loads of buttons all over them . 708.48 ES2002c C MEE007 2 709.584 721.898 709.61 721.898 Um they're not very attractive to look at , and they're not very comfortable to hold , they're I just hold 'em like big bricks , and they're very easily lost . Um they tend to be very dark colours , so if there are shadowy places down the side of couches you can't really see them . 712.2 713.43 715.35 716.88 718.59 721.84 ES2002c B FEE005 1 721.52 721.984 721.56 721.93 Mm-hmm . 721.93 ES2002c C MEE007 2 722.8 743.024 722.82 742.94 Um the the controls themselves tend to use a very inconsistent colour scheme . Um for instance , the stand-by button isn't always red , uh it really should be . It's uh something the user then uh identify with . This is a red switch off , that's how it should be . Um I'm not sure if there's any other examples of that , but something to look out for . 728.98 730.59 732.37 733.05 735.68 736.99 739.16 741.14 742.94 ES2002c C MEE007 2 744.672 756.304 744.69 756.304 Um there's a problem that I've I've got couple of preferences for the the end control um I get 'em with the the red colour button for stand-by and s the other examples of that um - ES2002c C MEE007 2 757.123 762.976 757.123 762.94 The buttons should be large . They shouldn't be tiny little things like you get on some mobile phones . They should be easy to press , very comfortable . 758.51 760.91 762.37 762.94 ES2002c C MEE007 2 763.448 785.728 763.448 785.69 Um one of the examples given on the homepage was um there's an up and down volume button but both of them have a V_ on them , so the up volume button looks like it should be a down volume button , that's kinda confusing . Um should avoid s things like that . Um if the the corporate colour scheme allows it we should have a very bright colour so that it can be easily identified anywhere . 772.01 774.49 776.28 778.76 785.69 ES2002c B FEE005 1 771.968 772.498 772.01 772.38 Mm-hmm . 772.38 ES2002c B FEE005 1 786.849 787.51 786.91 787.35 Okay . 787.35 ES2002c C MEE007 2 786.944 793.152 786.99 793.08 Um obviously trying trying to avoid being tacky there , but it could um tie-in very easily with your your lime and lemon idea . 789.63 793.08 ES2002c D MEE008 3 791.815 794.848 792.11 794.79 Yeah . Okay , do we have a corporate colour scheme ? I didn't know . 792.46 793.07 794.34 794.79 ES2002c B FEE005 1 794.122 807.488 794.122 807.35 I think it's yellow because like the website is yellow and there's a band at the bottom is yellow , so yellow , lemon , you know definitely food for thought there , but keep going and we'll discuss it after . 799.75 801.35 802.26 804.86 807.35 ES2002c D MEE008 3 798.092 798.608 798.092 798.57 Okay . 798.57 ES2002c A MEE006 0 799.69 802.96 799.87 802.51 And the Play-Doh 's yellow . 802.51 ES2002c D MEE008 3 800.158 800.902 800.33 800.69 Okay . 800.69 ES2002c C MEE007 2 801.027 803.568 801.45 803.568 Fantastic . 803.33 ES2002c D MEE008 3 804.632 805.139 804.73 805.1 Okay . 805.1 ES2002c C MEE007 2 806.296 807.104 806.51 807.07 Um - ES2002c D MEE008 3 806.509 807.126 806.7 807.01 Yeah . 807.01 ES2002c C MEE007 2 808.48 828.795 808.53 828.795 any extra features we add beyond the basic ones should be m hidden , they shouldn't be on the um shouldn't be visible without something be opened or some sort of special extra effort . Um if we did decide to go for voice activation there sh should always be a button as alternative , possibly hidden in the the opened up section um making that something is wrong with it or with somebody's voice , maybe they got a cold or 811.43 817.95 822.89 827.29 ES2002c B FEE005 1 815.552 816.104 815.57 815.9 Mm-hmm . 815.9 ES2002c C MEE007 2 829.968 834.592 830.01 834.54 Um we should definitely avoid the big square block look . That's just wrong . 833.87 834.54 ES2002c D MEE008 3 835.264 835.765 835.29 835.65 Mm-hmm . 835.65 ES2002c B FEE005 1 835.248 835.744 835.3 835.7 Mm 'kay . 835.7 ES2002c C MEE007 2 836.416 849.04 836.44 848.98 And um we got an email uh from I think it's the the research department , and they've said th the voice control um can now talk back if you ask it a question . So it sh it could be good to have them um confirm any action you take 841.54 845.97 ES2002c B FEE005 1 845.52 845.984 845.55 845.94 Mm . 845.94 ES2002c B FEE005 1 849.271 851.632 849.75 851.55 Aye that's a good idea , yeah . 850.66 851.55 ES2002c C MEE007 2 849.716 851.086 849.83 850.98 and possibility . 850.98 ES2002c C MEE007 2 854.032 869.872 854.06 869.872 Right and these are problems I've had with it . Um I don't know where the slogan should go , or really what the slogan is . I think it's um , fashion into electronics . And we don't know how flexible the colour scheme is . I mean you say you wanted the the corporate colours , but they don't say you know if we can use any other colours at all or 855.99 858.08 859.31 860.08 862.26 864.14 866.81 ES2002c B FEE005 1 861.2 861.696 861.22 861.65 Yeah . 861.65 ES2002c D MEE008 3 868.478 868.985 868.5 868.85 Mm . 868.85 ES2002c D MEE008 3 870.784 871.344 870.94 871.31 Mm . 871.31 ES2002c B FEE005 1 870.943 871.904 871.13 871.84 Okay . 871.84 ES2002c C MEE007 2 874.048 874.49 874.07 874.44 That's it . 874.44 ES2002c A MEE006 0 874.08 874.579 874.12 874.52 Cool . 874.52 ES2002c B FEE005 1 874.528 875.328 874.79 875.29 Okay . 875.29 ES2002c D MEE008 3 875.808 878.352 875.83 878.29 Great . Lots of good information there . 876.98 878.29 ES2002c B FEE005 1 878.576 882.625 878.6 882.57 Yeah that that was very good , and uh now with David . 880.82 882.57 ES2002c A MEE006 0 878.532 879.597 878.88 879.25 Mm-hmm . 879.25 ES2002c A MEE006 0 880.841 883.262 880.97 882.72 Mm 'kay um . 882.72 ES2002c C MEE007 2 896.054 897.104 896.32 897.02 I think I'm cool . 897.02 ES2002c D MEE008 3 899.824 904.176 899.84 904.176 It's a shame the cable wasn't just in the middle of the table , huh ? Just um 902.94 903.68 ES2002c B FEE005 1 902.096 903.824 902.12 903.62 I know it'd be handy , wouldn't it . 903.28 903.62 ES2002c A MEE006 0 915.145 915.92 915.24 915.86 Oops . 915.86 ES2002c B FEE005 1 916.0 919.072 916.12 919.072 Do y do you wanna sit in the the line of sight of this um - ES2002c A MEE006 0 918.528 922.832 918.56 922.78 Yeah okay . Let me just get this going first . 919.73 922.78 ES2002c B FEE005 1 920.512 920.992 920.53 920.95 Yeah . 920.95 ES2002c A MEE006 0 925.056 926.064 925.09 925.97 Ah there it is . 925.97 ES2002c D MEE008 3 946.911 948.304 946.911 948.27 It takes a second , doesn't it ? 948.03 948.27 ES2002c A MEE006 0 953.823 955.52 954.12 954.97 'Kay , that should be it . 954.27 954.97 ES2002c A MEE006 0 957.44 973.449 957.91 973.12 Okay um I guess the same thing again , I started with something very basic . So just so you guys have some idea of what's involved in my process , um and then you can just work through it and we 'll either modify it or start from scratch um depending on what your needs are . 961.14 963.21 966.66 973.12 ES2002c D MEE008 3 966.4 966.901 966.43 966.7 Mm-hmm . 966.7 ES2002c A MEE006 0 973.449 992.108 973.68 991.96 Um the components are exactly the same . Um I think , like what you guys said , um the most input that's needed is basically in the user interface . The rest of the components um they do have an impact in terms of cost and complexity . Um like you said time to market was a problem , um and how many components are physically in there in cost . 976.21 976.95 977.89 981.76 987.14 989.53 991.96 ES2002c B FEE005 1 975.664 976.224 975.69 976.17 Mm-hmm . 976.17 ES2002c A MEE006 0 992.108 1017.663 992.23 1017.52 And the power is basically a factor of that . Um and the lower components , the power , the logic , the transmitter , and the infrared , um they affect you in terms of the size of your device , um and that would have some inte impact on how y I think more how you hold rather than um the actual use using the the remote control because um like we've said we've defined , like we only want the basic things that to be visible , and the rest of them we try to hide . 994.38 996.53 996.99 997.4 997.88 998.6 1002.61 1014.32 1016.31 1017.52 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1017.824 1018.543 1017.87 1018.23 Mm-hmm . 1018.23 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1017.663 1041.48 1017.93 1041.29 So um you know it's just a matter of working out space . So I guess three things , um cost , um complexity , and the size . These are the three things that um will have an impact on you . So just go through it in the components . Um these are the options that are available to you , um I'm not very sure about the voice thing 'cause I got another email and it was in fact quite sketchy on what n the voice options are . 1021.44 1022.34 1024.9 1025.95 1026.91 1029.76 1031.89 1034.86 1041.29 ES2002c C MEE007 2 1041.09 1041.64 1041.23 1041.45 Right . 1041.45 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1041.48 1058.488 1041.73 1058.45 Um it said it could talk to you , but it never said anything about being able to listen . I it said something about a sensor but never clarified that . So maybe if you well I could see the other email that they sent you , um 'cause they got back to me with like different requirements , or different offerings of what components availa 1043.38 1045.63 1048.62 1052.46 1056.83 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1047.968 1048.484 1047.99 1048.35 Mm . 1048.35 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1048.001 1048.704 1048.22 1048.67 Hmm . 1048.67 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1058.488 1068.72 1058.51 1068.69 Okay so your basic components are buttons , okay and you have a wheel available , like a mouse scroll wheel , okay there's an L_C_D_ display , um I think these are quite standard things . 1061.11 1062.56 1064.16 1066.64 1068.69 ES2002c C MEE007 2 1058.88 1059.193 1058.92 1059.11 Right . 1059.11 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1060.736 1061.168 1060.78 1061.13 Mm . 1061.13 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1063.488 1063.936 1063.52 1063.79 Mm-hmm . 1063.79 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1068.848 1069.862 1068.95 1069.76 They're standard , aren't they ? 1069.52 1069.76 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1070.096 1089.52 1070.14 1089.35 No um they're well in the sense that these are all the options available for you . I'll explain to you the complexity and the cost thing again a bit later . Okay um then there's um how the case actually looks . It can actually be flat or it can be curved , um and then the different types of materials that you can use , um I don't think you can use them in a combination , 1073.88 1077.45 1081.15 1084.15 1086.98 1089.35 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1076.297 1076.771 1076.37 1076.68 Yeah . 1076.68 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1090.24 1090.752 1090.27 1090.72 Mm-hmm . 1090.72 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1090.672 1095.472 1090.69 1095.43 um but um I could check back for you , but I don't think you can actually use them in a combination . 1093.12 1095.43 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1094.572 1097.328 1094.87 1097.28 We you couldn't have like plastic and rubber ? 1097.28 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1097.808 1119.095 1097.83 1119.095 Um I think plastic and rubber would be fine , but plastic , rubber , and wood , I wasn't I'm not very sure about the titanium . They had some restrictions on using the rubber and the titanium . Um the rubber was a restriction on the kind of power source you could use , but the titanium had a different kind of things on the shape of the thing , so I think that there is some restriction on um 1100.0 1100.89 1101.63 1102.04 1104.72 1107.61 1111.24 1116.03 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1104.016 1104.784 1104.19 1104.67 Yeah . 1104.67 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1105.445 1105.978 1105.48 1105.84 Hmm . 1105.84 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1107.424 1107.936 1107.53 1107.9 Mm 'kay . 1107.9 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1115.248 1115.664 1115.29 1115.62 Okay . 1115.62 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1119.095 1141.53 1119.2 1141.36 I think you could probably group plastic and rubber together , wood and titanium , but you know it might be easier from a cost perspective and a complexity just to use one . You know as opposed to two . Um and the other components are logic chips , um again I'll I'll go back to the component chips . The com how complex or how easy the logic is , it depends on how many functions you have on the on the unit 1122.22 1123.39 1128.28 1129.96 1133.08 1136.17 1138.92 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1121.392 1121.952 1121.41 1121.9 Mm-hmm . 1121.9 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1126.288 1126.656 1126.31 1126.58 Mm-hmm . 1126.58 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1127.744 1129.403 1127.77 1129.26 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 1128.98 1129.26 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1141.53 1179.199 1141.63 1178.99 um and that impacts cost . Um I don't think the logic chip has a issue about size 'cause they should be about the same size . Power consumption should be about the same . Um I think the main impact is complexity , um and the other thing is um the power options . Um the first one is a standard battery . Okay the second one I think is more of a gimmick then actually a useable thing , it's a wind-up you know , a crank . Yeah but that that might be something I think that's more of a look and feel decision because I don't think you can have one power source if you're using the alternative power sources . 1143.58 1147.43 1149.72 1152.54 1156.83 1159.01 1163.15 1167.24 1169.52 1178.99 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1143.577 1144.0 1143.6 1143.87 Mm-hmm . 1143.87 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1146.044 1146.544 1146.19 1146.51 Mm-hmm . 1146.51 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1149.724 1150.291 1149.97 1150.1 Hmm . 1150.1 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1166.272 1168.121 1166.42 1168.04 I'll clear one of these things for you . 1168.04 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1168.736 1170.32 1168.76 1170.28 Just by moving it yeah . 1170.28 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1168.73 1169.449 1168.85 1169.4 Hmm . 1169.4 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1179.199 1193.099 1179.41 1193.02 I think whatever it is you still need a battery 'cause I don't think anybody wants to keep doing one thing . Okay the other ones are a solar powered cell , which may not be a great idea in Europe or any country that has seasons 'cause half the year you'd be dead . 1184.52 1187.06 1193.02 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1181.36 1181.728 1181.38 1181.68 Mm . 1181.68 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1183.542 1184.075 1183.56 1183.92 No . 1183.92 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1185.022 1185.555 1185.16 1185.34 Yeah . 1185.34 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1193.099 1222.283 1193.25 1222.21 So like what I said , you probably need like a battery and something else . Um and the kinetic one I guess for me is the most interesting one because it's movement and people like to fiddle with their and it's a nice sales gimmick I think . From a marketing gimmick it it's a technology thing , it's a shake it it doesn't work , shake it , knock it or something . You know you know you have you had those balls , you know those stress balls where you bounce the ball and it and it lights up and it goes , you know that might be a gimmick combined with rubber . 1194.43 1196.88 1205.68 1208.08 1210.44 1210.84 1211.78 1214.72 1219.12 1222.21 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1195.705 1196.229 1195.73 1196.13 Mm-hmm . 1196.13 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1196.464 1197.888 1196.48 1197.84 Mm-hmm . 1197.84 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1203.52 1204.106 1203.55 1204.0 Mm . 1204.0 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1206.056 1206.631 1206.11 1206.52 Mm-hmm . 1206.52 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1212.512 1215.479 1212.53 1214.57 W yeah . Uh yeah yeah , I see . 1213.68 1214.34 1214.57 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1212.505 1212.987 1212.59 1212.8 Hmm . 1212.8 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1215.152 1215.568 1215.17 1215.51 Yeah . 1215.51 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1221.584 1221.849 1221.6 1221.8 Hmm . 1221.8 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1222.283 1249.678 1222.58 1249.37 You know just to if you get frustrated wi remote control you can throw it , kind of you know just uh you know um so . Um okay my from my role , I don't think that personal preferences but role preferences , I think um something comfortable to hold , um small and slim I guess that's more in the sense of small and slim in terms of comfortable not so small you can't , you know like a phone or something , too small phone . 1225.76 1231.24 1234.21 1236.32 1240.38 1247.66 1248.72 1249.37 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1223.31 1223.921 1223.34 1223.77 Yeah . 1223.77 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1227.344 1227.651 1227.41 1227.57 Hmm . 1227.57 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1227.52 1228.884 1227.54 1228.69 I know what you mean yeah . 1228.69 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1240.224 1240.897 1240.26 1240.66 Mm-hmm . 1240.66 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1248.012 1248.528 1248.09 1248.49 Mm-hmm . 1248.49 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1249.678 1271.392 1249.78 1271.392 Um and the other thing is from a production point of view um the less components we use and the simpler the components means you reduce your cost and you increase your profit . Um and also the time to market and the complexity of developing designing and debugging it um so . Um okay let me just go back and talk about some of the restrictions . Um 1259.16 1266.39 1270.94 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1258.688 1259.264 1258.71 1259.08 Mm-hmm . 1259.08 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1263.035 1264.726 1263.2 1264.53 Mm-hmm mm-hmm mm-hmm . 1264.53 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1265.936 1266.288 1265.97 1266.24 Mm-hmm . 1266.24 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1272.602 1300.6 1272.77 1300.04 The user interface restrictions basically means that if you use more complicated features , like the buttons are standard okay , the L_C_D_ panel and the scroll wheel you need more complicated logic . Um the case okay with a rubber case you can't have the solar panels . Okay with the titanium case , let me just check that um , titanium case can't be curved , it has to be square . 1277.27 1279.39 1283.08 1289.17 1291.11 1297.71 1298.99 1300.04 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1282.96 1283.583 1283.0 1283.46 Mm . 1283.46 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1299.8 1300.432 1299.8 1300.4 Okay . 1300.4 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1300.6 1319.037 1300.64 1318.95 Okay um there's no restriction on the plastic , and it can't be curved on the wood . So that's again , I don't think you can use them in a combination , um especially the titanium I I suspect they're very fixed to a particular need . So um mixing them may not be a good idea um yep . That's it . 1302.94 1305.08 1306.32 1309.19 1313.81 1318.49 1318.95 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1302.768 1304.832 1302.79 1304.71 It can't be curved . Okay . 1304.31 1304.71 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1308.64 1309.136 1308.71 1309.09 Okay . 1309.09 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1311.372 1312.234 1311.6 1312.17 Right . 1312.17 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1316.832 1317.312 1316.85 1317.27 Okay . 1317.27 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1318.416 1319.767 1318.44 1319.767 Right can I - ES2002c D MEE008 3 1318.447 1321.579 1318.58 1321.51 Uh question on can I ask a question ? 1321.51 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1321.208 1328.765 1321.37 1328.7 Yeah well yeah it's just I'm quite keen to get the discussion going with the time we've left so but yeah you c ask away . 1328.7 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1326.222 1326.624 1326.32 1326.57 Okay . 1326.57 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1327.904 1333.104 1327.92 1333.07 Can we uh power a light in this ? Can we get a strong enough battery to power a light ? 1330.99 1333.07 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1333.248 1340.532 1333.28 1340.532 Um I think we could because the L_C_D_ panel requires power , and the L_C_D_ is a form of a light so that 1337.51 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1339.072 1339.568 1339.11 1339.53 Mm . 1339.53 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1339.047 1339.453 1339.12 1339.38 Okay . 1339.38 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1340.144 1343.824 1340.16 1343.77 So maybe one of the things we can just try and include is a really good battery . 1343.77 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1344.352 1347.26 1344.68 1347.06 Why what kind of light do you want are you thinking of ? 1347.06 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1346.72 1347.424 1346.74 1347.424 Well - ES2002c D MEE008 3 1348.336 1349.984 1348.36 1349.984 I mean I'm thinking it might be - ES2002c D MEE008 3 1351.216 1365.828 1351.3 1365.75 That for uh this to be a high-tech thing it's gonna have to have something high-tech about it and that's gonna take battery power , and to make that to make that a realistic goal I think one of the issues that will come up later is , can the battery power it ? 1357.89 1364.76 1365.75 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1353.408 1353.918 1353.43 1353.84 Uh-huh . 1353.84 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1356.032 1356.448 1356.05 1356.41 Yeah . 1356.41 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1364.608 1375.632 1364.68 1375.5 Are you thinking are you thinking of of a light in the sense of um a light light , or a light in the sense of it glows kind of you know Frankenstein , it's alive . 1369.99 1374.61 1375.5 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1371.712 1374.169 1371.73 1374.08 Illuminate the buttons . Yeah it glows . 1373.41 1374.08 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1374.976 1390.704 1375.0 1390.63 Well m I'm thinking along the lines of you're you're in the dark watching a D_V_D_ and you um you find the thing in the dark and you go like this , and that's what everybody does . Oh where's the volume button in the dark , and uh y you just touch it , or you just pick it up , and it lights up or something . 1382.61 1383.82 1386.75 1388.55 1389.48 1390.63 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1378.97 1379.536 1379.04 1379.39 Okay . 1379.39 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1385.984 1386.754 1386.06 1386.66 Yeah yeah yeah . 1386.66 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1386.4 1387.071 1386.42 1386.8 Okay . 1386.8 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1390.624 1394.565 1390.65 1394.33 Like a phone yeah , like the backlight in a phone . Okay cool . 1392.2 1393.3 1394.33 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1391.36 1391.76 1391.38 1391.72 Okay . 1391.72 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1391.712 1393.104 1391.73 1393.07 Like a phone , yeah yeah . 1392.28 1393.07 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1394.096 1404.691 1394.12 1404.5 Whereas with phones , people charge them once a week . We're gonna need to put in a really good battery so people don't have to charge their r remote control every few days . 1395.45 1397.44 1404.5 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1396.944 1397.504 1396.96 1397.47 Yeah . 1397.47 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1404.368 1410.278 1404.39 1410.12 Um that's why I think the option of the the kinetic thing which basically means as long as you shake it like a watch , like an automatic watch 1409.12 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1409.36 1411.296 1409.38 1411.26 But are people gonna wanna shake their movie controller ? 1411.26 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1409.597 1410.398 1409.77 1410.07 Mm . 1410.07 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1411.536 1425.776 1411.56 1425.69 um it's probably sensitive enough when you fiddle it . So you could trigger that to a light , like I said the bouncing ball thing , or you could trigger that to use that to power the light as opposed to so when they pick it up , right , and then that that sorta triggers the 1415.13 1417.18 1418.46 1423.15 1423.59 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1414.272 1414.608 1414.29 1414.53 Right . 1414.53 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1415.361 1415.808 1415.48 1415.77 Sure . 1415.77 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1415.52 1415.92 1415.54 1415.89 Mm . 1415.89 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1418.784 1419.387 1418.8 1419.2 Okay . 1419.2 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1420.564 1421.164 1420.81 1421.13 Okay . 1421.13 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1422.016 1422.408 1422.04 1422.27 Right . 1422.27 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1423.734 1424.448 1423.8 1424.27 Okay . 1424.27 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1425.168 1425.52 1425.23 1425.47 Mm-hmm . 1425.47 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1425.952 1448.687 1425.97 1448.44 Right okay um well let's just go right back to the marketing ideas for a start , and just giving an id idea on the time , we've got about fifteen minutes to play with at most . So um yeah so just t to bear in mind that the ultimate goal of this meeting is to reach an decision on the the the concepts of the product . 1433.45 1435.07 1438.24 1448.44 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1426.88 1428.096 1427.07 1427.92 glowingness . 1427.92 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1427.909 1429.074 1428.02 1429.01 Okay , great . 1428.7 1429.01 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1438.031 1438.564 1438.11 1438.39 Okay . 1438.39 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1447.588 1449.323 1447.588 1449.22 Okay . 1449.22 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1448.687 1460.032 1448.82 1460.032 So back to your idea about um incorporating the idea of like fruit and veg , and the corporate colour , and things like that . Um I mean what does everybody think about 1453.88 1455.35 1456.76 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1454.048 1454.406 1454.07 1454.26 Yeah . 1454.26 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1456.272 1456.56 1456.3 1456.53 Yeah . 1456.53 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1462.128 1468.88 1462.24 1468.84 Does anybody have any ideas of about how we can fit all that in together ? I mean that's kind of the user interface type of thing , what are your thoughts on that ? 1465.17 1467.92 1468.84 ES2002c C MEE007 2 1469.44 1479.184 1469.46 1479.09 Um I think we could go for like um maybe not a p a fruit shape but a very sort of curvy type shape . Um you could have the same sort of texture and colour as a fruit . 1476.63 1479.09 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1479.6 1486.112 1479.62 1486.112 So maybe do y are we thinking something that like s could sit in your hand comfortably , or do you th you'd hold onto comfortably or 1483.8 ES2002c C MEE007 2 1486.416 1489.773 1486.44 1489.52 Um probably something that s sits in your hand comfortably , sort of feels right in your hand . 1488.07 1489.52 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1488.512 1500.576 1488.53 1500.576 So something quite curvy ? Okay um right okay . Colour-wise I mean you made a re uh was it you or uh I can't remember who made the point about how if you've a nice bright colour you'll not lose it , was that 1489.99 1494.19 1500.22 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1501.648 1514.556 1501.72 1514.556 Whose about how if you have a bright colour you'll not lose it so much . Um and when the corporate colour is yellow , I mean maybe we could think about about the colour of the whole product being yellow I don't know . Um 1505.8 1508.15 1513.75 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1501.303 1502.528 1501.75 1502.47 I think he made that . 1502.47 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1501.665 1502.367 1501.81 1502.18 What's that ? 1502.18 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1505.216 1505.632 1505.25 1505.6 Yeah . 1505.6 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1511.924 1512.364 1511.94 1512.3 Okay . 1512.3 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1515.377 1523.872 1515.377 1523.83 And then obviously the uh the materials when it has anybody got like an overall picture in their mind about what what might work ? 1523.83 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1524.688 1551.485 1524.73 1551.22 Well I mean I'm thinking that what we need to do is have something that kind of unifies a lot of the different concepts , and if we think that what we are w our number one marketing motive is um the look and feel . So for the look and feel to seem coherent and not just sorta bits and bits and pieces of of concept and technology or or whatever or fashion , then we should have it kind of come back to one thing that we kind of all sorta can visualize . 1530.3 1537.88 1546.67 1551.22 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1524.643 1525.28 1524.83 1525.24 That's all . 1525.24 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1530.32 1530.816 1530.34 1530.77 Mm-hmm . 1530.77 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1537.664 1538.032 1537.7 1538.0 Mm-hmm . 1538.0 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1551.485 1574.64 1551.64 1574.58 Um maybe what we could do is t th think about a concept which touches b back to the on the um the colour , you said company colour yellow . I mean if we think of something , like I was saying also lime and lemon you know , what can we come up with something where we we try and associate it with with like the series . We just come up with something like that we kind of use it as a theme to inspire the 1561.0 1562.26 1563.42 1566.12 1570.21 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1561.184 1561.664 1561.2 1561.5 Mm-hmm . 1561.5 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1565.024 1565.534 1565.06 1565.47 Mm-hmm . 1565.47 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1575.328 1575.952 1575.39 1575.92 Okay . 1575.92 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1575.872 1576.608 1575.89 1576.55 shapes and things . 1576.55 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1577.536 1578.176 1577.56 1578.13 Right . 1578.13 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1578.64 1589.331 1578.71 1589.17 Is there a particular shape that you're interested in ? Like does marketing have any research on does it need to be long ? Does it need with a square thing wha 1582.86 1586.93 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1587.616 1590.368 1587.82 1590.368 Oh you know like in circular in shape or - ES2002c A MEE006 0 1590.288 1593.472 1590.47 1593.472 Yeah 'cause that will n help narrow down the choice of - ES2002c D MEE008 3 1593.392 1593.76 1593.41 1593.73 Yeah . 1593.73 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1593.84 1611.107 1593.96 1610.73 Choice of material yeah . 'Cause I I I was kinda thinking about as well you know how you get these shock resistant mobile phones , and they're plastic but then also have like rubber on the outside , and it kinda feels it feels kind of warmer to the touch . It feels a bit more comfortable , and maybe we could incorporate plastic and rubber 1595.91 1601.3 1604.33 1606.96 1608.0 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1594.334 1598.738 1594.51 1598.22 Like fruit . I'm thinking fruits in my head , but that's tacky . 1595.99 1597.14 1598.22 ES2002c C MEE007 2 1595.952 1596.654 1596.02 1596.654 See I'm - ES2002c D MEE008 3 1607.063 1607.456 1607.17 1607.42 Yeah . 1607.42 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1611.107 1623.44 1611.36 1623.44 into it . And then then we could have curved shapes , 'cause wood or titanium , yeah , it's gonna have to be boxy and rectangular and I think we might be moving away from that you know so um 1611.91 1614.22 1615.93 1616.1 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1624.736 1631.184 1624.736 1630.78 Well I'm do we really want it in like the shape of a lemon or no I don't think we do either . 1630.78 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1628.681 1634.784 1628.7 1634.73 No no no not at all . It's more more just that we we think about like 1631.08 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1636.064 1641.873 1636.08 1641.81 what it is we're trying to achieve , so and then we have one one sorta theme that we stick with . Do you know what I mean ? 1637.73 1641.17 1641.81 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1641.264 1647.04 1641.28 1647.01 Okay right well um so thoughts about the actual shape of the thing . 1647.01 ES2002c C MEE007 2 1647.7 1650.048 1648.02 1649.89 I'd quite like a sort of uh snowman type shape . 1649.89 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1650.032 1651.056 1650.05 1651.01 A snowman shape ? 1651.01 ES2002c C MEE007 2 1651.216 1657.072 1651.24 1657.01 Um so a p sort of larger bit sits in your hand , and then you got maybe another bubble at the top for just any other function you need . 1653.59 1657.01 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1653.12 1653.552 1653.14 1653.49 Uh-huh . 1653.49 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1657.584 1659.808 1657.6 1659.76 That's quite a distinctive shape , that would be good wouldn't it . 1658.82 1659.76 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1657.643 1659.366 1657.81 1659.14 Right , sure . 1658.87 1659.14 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1660.864 1661.2 1660.88 1661.17 Yeah . 1661.17 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1661.248 1664.144 1661.27 1664.09 Yeah so yeah should we go with that ? 1664.09 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1664.208 1669.072 1664.45 1669.072 Um can we yeah like to and wha like do you have a - ES2002c B FEE005 1 1669.738 1671.463 1669.99 1671.27 Do you wanna draw it on the board ? 1671.27 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1670.056 1672.832 1670.31 1672.8 Can you like yeah just t we can visualize it . 1672.8 ES2002c C MEE007 2 1690.752 1700.912 1690.79 1700.35 Um something like that um you got two groups there um maybe it could fold up and you get a third group inside or uh you have volume controls about there . 1700.35 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1696.168 1696.76 1696.19 1696.52 Okay . 1696.52 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1695.805 1697.536 1696.24 1697.49 Ooh that'd be good . 1697.49 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1700.704 1701.072 1700.74 1701.03 Okay . 1701.03 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1700.992 1701.792 1701.14 1701.72 Mm-hmm . 1701.72 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1703.008 1703.376 1703.18 1703.31 Yep . 1703.31 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1703.344 1708.448 1703.76 1707.93 So call it the snowman-shape trademark . 1707.93 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1711.92 1721.504 1711.94 1721.504 Yeah that's cool . Um and I mean colour-wise what does everybody think ? I think it is quite important to get yellow in there somewhere . I mean do you want the whole thing yellow , maybe like yellow and white do you want something 1712.86 1715.3 1717.94 1719.77 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1720.933 1721.517 1721.1 1721.48 Mm . 1721.48 ES2002c C MEE007 2 1722.704 1729.84 1722.72 1729.8 So I reckon it'd look quite nice if we just had um this here , had a sorta background yellow , and then have sort of a nice bold colour for the buttons . 1725.43 1727.37 1729.8 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1727.104 1727.568 1727.14 1727.53 Uh-huh . 1727.53 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1730.016 1754.88 1730.08 1754.85 Okay cool . Um and also I mean how are we going to incorporate the slogan in ? The fact that it talks to you , I mean it might be quite cool if when you first start using it it says , what is it , putting fashion into electronics or something , I dunno . Or when you like or if you turn it off or something if it can speak if it could actually say the slogan it might be a bit more powerful than just having it written on it somewhere . I d I d any thoughts on that at all ? 1730.96 1735.41 1736.65 1741.2 1741.76 1743.66 1745.05 1753.03 1754.85 ES2002c C MEE007 2 1747.292 1748.448 1747.44 1748.41 I think that might scare me . 1748.41 ES2002c C MEE007 2 1755.392 1759.086 1755.47 1758.83 I think that'd probably scare me . You turn it on your control possessed s . 1756.46 1758.83 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1757.2 1771.472 1757.2 1771.472 I know . Um unless an a I mean if you also would that work if we wanted to incorporate um an L_C_D_ display , where would we put that ? Would we put that on the inside or 1759.57 1768.97 1769.78 ES2002c C MEE007 2 1772.784 1773.344 1772.8 1773.344 Um - ES2002c A MEE006 0 1773.264 1777.187 1773.29 1777.12 Do we need an L_C_D_ display ? What what's the functionality of that ? 1774.99 1777.12 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1776.405 1780.494 1776.61 1780.31 It's bound to increase the cost of it a lot , I would've thought . 1778.9 1780.31 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1779.104 1787.2 1779.2 1787.2 Yeah but the question is what are we using it what would we what would we achieve from it ? Putting in lights is cheap but putting in an L_C_D_ panel just to make it glow is a bit of a 1783.14 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1779.849 1781.225 1780.25 1780.99 What would it achieve ? 1780.99 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1783.201 1783.861 1783.29 1783.861 Well - ES2002c D MEE008 3 1785.146 1802.458 1785.21 1802.36 L_C_ well I'd when you used to mention the L_C_D_ I'd think I wonder what that would be about . And the th the thing I could see it helping with would be if it was somehow connected with um listings . So as you scroll through , 'cause we said we might have a jog dial , so as you scroll through your stations you can y it actually tells you what it is . 1789.42 1794.76 1795.99 1797.9 1802.36 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1794.905 1795.598 1795.0 1795.47 Yeah . 1795.47 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1797.822 1798.363 1797.93 1798.33 Mm-hmm . 1798.33 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1801.813 1812.57 1802.2 1812.3 I think that will be a problem because we don't have an input device to get the listings into it , so um it's a bit nuts to get the Monday Tuesday Wednesday you know . 1807.15 1812.3 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1806.398 1807.232 1806.57 1807.2 Right , okay . 1806.97 1807.2 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1807.104 1808.797 1807.2 1808.76 Mm oh yeah that's true . 1808.76 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1809.252 1809.898 1809.38 1809.86 Yeah . 1809.86 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1810.554 1813.765 1810.68 1813.7 So so no need for an L_C_D_ display ? 1813.7 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1810.843 1812.526 1810.99 1812.43 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 1811.71 1812.43 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1813.472 1836.848 1813.49 1836.47 Um I I'm not saying there's no need for an L_C_D_ display , but um it's what's what what would it tell the user , 'cause the L_C_D_ tends to be an output as uh as opposed to an input so um does the remote control need to talk back to the user ? We have the option of the speaker as well the sa the same thing goes for the speaker , is there a need for the remote control to to talk back ? 1815.83 1819.27 1828.82 1831.79 1836.47 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1816.628 1818.592 1816.65 1818.45 I think that would make it very complex . 1818.45 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1821.146 1821.797 1821.23 1821.72 Yeah . 1821.72 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1822.759 1823.52 1822.79 1823.41 Yeah . 1823.41 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1827.886 1829.306 1827.99 1828.88 Mm not real - ES2002c B FEE005 1 1833.232 1838.633 1834.26 1838.633 I don't know if there is really , no um 1836.77 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1834.295 1834.87 1834.32 1834.76 Mm-hmm . 1834.76 ES2002c C MEE007 2 1836.113 1836.764 1836.16 1836.65 Nah . 1836.65 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1837.942 1839.04 1838.01 1839.04 Um - ES2002c B FEE005 1 1839.568 1843.344 1839.59 1843.28 I would say no need for a talk-back . Uh does anybody disagree with that ? 1841.59 1843.28 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1844.336 1844.751 1844.4 1844.66 No . 1844.66 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1844.218 1852.449 1844.5 1852.33 You could put a game on it . When the T_V_ dies you can play with the remote control . 1848.47 1852.33 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1844.341 1848.989 1844.68 1848.54 No ? Easy . 1847.43 1848.54 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1850.479 1851.581 1850.66 1851.55 Mm mm . 1851.55 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1850.864 1864.368 1850.9 1864.26 Okay um right so you're gonna have the three different sets of of functionalities , um I mean do you wanna group them into s head of the snowman , body of the snowman , inside of the snowman , is that what you're thinking ? 1857.6 1861.05 1862.03 1863.19 1864.26 ES2002c C MEE007 2 1864.384 1874.096 1864.41 1874.06 Um well I think the advanced ones the the ones you don't usually use could be hid inside . B um I think the we had were fairly basic ones , they'd have to go on the the front somewhere . 1869.52 1872.56 1874.06 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1869.136 1869.696 1869.18 1869.66 Okay . 1869.66 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1874.224 1880.31 1874.38 1880.13 Okay right um what else do you need to talk about ? 1880.13 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1880.016 1881.987 1880.04 1881.987 Well i I was just - ES2002c A MEE006 0 1880.787 1891.12 1881.12 1891.12 Where would you physically position the buttons ? Um I think that that has some impact on on on many things . Um maybe you wanna draw onto the 1883.82 1888.37 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1885.942 1886.543 1885.96 1886.36 Yeah . 1886.36 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1887.648 1887.952 1887.67 1887.88 Yeah . 1887.88 ES2002c C MEE007 2 1887.639 1888.448 1887.93 1888.448 Um - ES2002c B FEE005 1 1891.216 1899.44 1891.24 1898.9 So I'm just gonna um pop this in here 'cause I have a slide about decision making which I'd forgotten about . 1898.9 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1896.304 1896.818 1896.39 1896.69 Yep . 1896.69 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1910.544 1929.376 1910.56 1929.24 Oh sh God we've got five minutes um okay uh back we go . Um energy what do you think that's suggesting we're how we're powering the thing ? I really like the idea of this kinetic thing where you'd have the back-up of the battery , but have have kinetic power , I mean what does anybody think about that ? 1916.32 1922.25 1925.87 1927.95 1929.24 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1925.645 1926.928 1925.7 1926.89 Yeah , sure . 1926.55 1926.89 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1927.659 1938.144 1927.86 1938.144 Um I've had kinetic things before , and the the the one issue we need to keep in mind with them is that you're committing the user to moving it , and watches yeah 1930.03 1936.28 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1936.141 1942.669 1936.36 1942.669 No , like I said we have a h hybrid kind of thing , so it's not gonna charge the battery , it's just 1936.49 1939.44 1941.91 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1939.043 1941.936 1939.06 1941.9 Sure , okay , right , okay . 1940.26 1941.31 1941.64 1941.9 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1942.932 1944.096 1943.33 1944.03 Okay . 1944.03 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1943.266 1954.058 1943.36 1953.8 Support for it . I mean just it's just worth pointing out because like I've I've known I've known people to have kinetic watches that they wear all the time , and it's just like magic because it's always powered and there's no battery . 1944.23 1951.09 1953.8 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1944.299 1944.84 1944.38 1944.69 Yeah . 1944.69 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1950.976 1951.596 1951.0 1951.31 Mm-hmm . 1951.31 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1954.058 1972.586 1954.1 1972.586 I've also known people to have things like like a jewellery watch they wear from time to time , and they eventually just say it's just too much of a nuisance because I don't wear it all the time . Like remote control is similar , you're away on vacation , I dunno whatever , you something , and it just starts to get worn down . So we should think about 1959.07 1963.96 1965.75 1966.96 1968.1 1969.55 1971.18 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1961.328 1961.952 1961.37 1961.92 Yeah . 1961.92 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1962.064 1962.885 1962.24 1962.41 Yep . 1962.41 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1969.472 1970.08 1969.49 1969.99 Yeah . 1969.99 ES2002c B FEE005 1 1970.992 1997.008 1971.31 1997.008 Well I suppose that if you're if you're away and you're not using it , then you're not using any power either . So you'd have the battery as the kind of to keep it ticking over idea I'm really sorry we're gonna have to wrap up quite quickly , we don't have as much time as I thought . Um so I think that's what energy is referring to here . Chip on print , is that that's an industrial design thing , is it David ? Okay um as for the case , kind of discussed that 1974.21 1976.33 1983.12 1984.84 1987.97 1989.3 1991.44 1992.85 1995.55 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1980.4 1980.769 1980.42 1980.66 Yeah . 1980.66 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1984.496 1984.88 1984.52 1984.83 Yep . 1984.83 ES2002c A MEE006 0 1991.589 1992.886 1991.95 1992.8 Yes yes . 1992.8 ES2002c D MEE008 3 1997.062 2002.052 1997.15 2001.89 And this size here , I'd suggest this be small , like quite small . 1998.8 2000.96 2001.89 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2000.4 2003.632 2000.42 2003.632 Yeah I know we're gonna have like rubber buttons that feel kind of - ES2002c C MEE007 2 2005.136 2006.096 2005.16 2006.06 Yeah I think so yeah . 2006.06 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2005.184 2005.808 2005.2 2005.73 Okay . 2005.73 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2005.765 2008.976 2006.1 2008.976 Um just a a lot of the um - ES2002c D MEE008 3 2010.496 2038.806 2010.496 2038.806 I mean one of the things running through my mind right now , I realise we're being efficient to wrap up the meeting and have lots of decisions made , um but we are leaning quite a bit to the side of being low-tech , rubber buttons plastic frame , it's almost like we're reproducing the same old remote control that's out there . Should we think about how we are actually getting this high-tech user friendly uh um theme like what is it that we're u we're using to to achieve those goals ? Like 2012.73 2017.1 2020.78 2022.01 2026.02 2038.31 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2014.968 2015.475 2015.07 2015.36 Mm-hmm . 2015.36 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2024.752 2025.28 2024.77 2025.23 Mm 'kay . 2025.23 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2038.0 2041.744 2038.4 2041.64 Could have things like backlighting the buttons and stuff like that . 2041.64 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2040.672 2043.691 2040.69 2043.59 Okay so so backlighting , that would be good . 2043.09 2043.59 ES2002c A MEE006 0 2042.431 2057.504 2042.64 2057.47 Or even a clear case . Um you know a a glowing a a glowing yellow type case where the yellow is showable , but in the dark it sort of , it's alive . Um in in a slight subtle way . 2044.48 2050.39 2053.34 2055.47 2057.47 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2044.488 2045.656 2044.65 2045.656 Yeah clear , that'd be 2045.27 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2045.862 2047.552 2045.94 2047.52 Aye that would be a good idea . 2047.52 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2046.574 2047.259 2046.67 2047.15 Okay . 2047.15 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2054.176 2055.158 2054.2 2054.95 Yeah sure . 2054.95 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2055.447 2063.356 2056.02 2063.23 S so like cur slightly transparent case , so it's yellow , like tinted yellow , but you can maybe see through it . Is that what you mean ? 2059.01 2059.91 2060.79 2062.56 2063.23 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2056.88 2058.096 2056.9 2057.81 Yeah that'd be really good . 2057.81 ES2002c A MEE006 0 2058.656 2059.704 2058.68 2059.67 Yeah yeah . 2059.67 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2059.38 2060.091 2059.53 2059.95 Yeah . 2059.95 ES2002c A MEE006 0 2060.784 2061.76 2060.8 2061.7 Yeah . 2061.7 ES2002c A MEE006 0 2062.8 2075.456 2062.82 2075.456 Or or there might be a light running through it like a mouse . You know you have cordless mice and they don't eat that much power right . So the power the battery in that sense , maybe you have one or two stratig strategically placed lights that sort of 2065.92 2068.68 2070.77 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2065.424 2065.824 2065.44 2065.79 Sure . 2065.79 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2068.352 2069.627 2068.37 2069.54 Yeah , yeah . 2069.25 2069.54 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2070.794 2071.572 2070.81 2071.16 Yeah . 2071.16 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2073.92 2074.24 2073.94 2074.19 Sure . 2074.19 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2075.376 2077.267 2075.4 2077.11 Yeah they they emanate a light through it . 2077.11 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2076.825 2077.664 2076.825 2077.61 Okay . 2077.61 ES2002c A MEE006 0 2077.024 2083.232 2077.05 2083.16 Yeah but because the case is transparent so it gives it a little bit of a glow , doesn't make it freaky . 2082.27 2083.16 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2078.963 2079.724 2079.28 2079.69 Lights . 2079.69 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2079.858 2080.32 2080.02 2080.27 'Kay . 2080.27 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2081.38 2107.125 2081.47 2107.125 Yeah , mm-hmm . Um and then the other thing that we we're s we've committed ourselves to achieving is simplicity , and so I'm thinking maybe should we try and think about having something like um some kind of an innovative concept about how the um the volume and the channels are controlled , 'cause that's the main thing people will f wanna do . Could we use like a jog dial , like a nice just sort of round , somewhere on it where you just roll it ? Or 2081.98 2083.08 2088.99 2099.04 2101.36 2102.79 2104.58 2106.68 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2082.188 2083.04 2082.32 2082.98 Okay . 2082.98 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2100.448 2101.216 2100.47 2101.16 Mm . 2101.16 ES2002c A MEE006 0 2105.27 2120.176 2105.57 2120.08 The question is when you're rolling it , how do you wanna roll it ? Do you want 'em to roll it like that ? Do you want 'em to roll it like that ? 'Cause in a mouse your hand's in a position to roll it , whereas the other thing about having it jog dial this way , it tends to get moved accidentally . 2107.29 2108.17 2109.5 2111.05 2115.38 2117.56 2120.08 ES2002c C MEE007 2 2113.706 2114.349 2113.73 2114.01 Mm . 2114.01 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2113.932 2114.837 2113.95 2114.22 Yeah . 2114.22 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2114.048 2114.732 2114.07 2114.56 Yeah . 2114.56 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2120.288 2122.784 2120.31 2122.74 Mm-hmm . Well why don't we do it like a mouse then ? 2121.3 2122.74 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2121.216 2126.851 2121.24 2126.851 Yeah if you are holding it in your hand you could you could do that , couldn't you ? If you're holding it in your hand you could 2123.87 2124.42 ES2002c A MEE006 0 2126.256 2152.32 2126.41 2152.29 That's a very unnatural motion to yeah . Can you imagine you have to scroll a lot . Um it might work for volume , and maybe some of the brightness controls and stuff like that , but not for channels right . If you have a Telewest box you've got like , you don't have to buy all the channels , you've about fifty channels , can you imagine trying to . Um and I don't think having that you know too quick too slow kin it's confusing to the I dunno . 2130.2 2132.27 2134.63 2136.71 2138.64 2141.19 2142.29 2143.35 2146.12 2152.29 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2128.238 2129.92 2128.26 2129.89 Do you think ? Okay . 2129.46 2129.89 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2134.24 2134.592 2134.27 2134.55 Yeah . 2134.55 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2136.672 2137.104 2136.69 2137.07 Mm . 2137.07 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2141.205 2141.829 2141.26 2141.7 Mm-hmm . 2141.7 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2143.4 2147.935 2143.52 2147.935 Yeah okay okay um - ES2002c D MEE008 3 2143.453 2144.121 2143.84 2144.09 Yeah . 2144.09 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2145.466 2147.445 2145.68 2147.29 Yeah , sure . 2146.52 2147.29 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2149.965 2150.777 2150.05 2150.54 Mm . 2150.54 ES2002c C MEE007 2 2150.448 2156.34 2150.47 2156.13 Well , but then for um for skipping a large amount of channels you do have to uh to skip the channel button , the number part . 2150.82 2155.31 2156.13 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2155.324 2156.119 2155.45 2156.02 Yeah . 2156.02 ES2002c A MEE006 0 2155.712 2160.167 2155.73 2160.167 But users tend to tend to want to use that and once they lose out on the user experience they're like - ES2002c D MEE008 3 2155.834 2156.351 2156.04 2156.3 Yeah . 2156.3 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2160.544 2161.264 2160.6 2161.15 Okay . 2161.15 ES2002c C MEE007 2 2160.585 2161.583 2160.69 2161.583 Uh but - ES2002c A MEE006 0 2160.976 2164.497 2161.04 2164.497 Because that's becomes the most accessible thing in front of - ES2002c B FEE005 1 2162.944 2163.454 2162.96 2163.38 Okay . 2163.38 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2163.021 2170.496 2163.33 2170.44 But that's not a bad thing is it ? Because when you think about it , the alternative is to go push the button . Jog dials are much easier than that . 2164.99 2165.76 2168.89 2170.44 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2164.64 2165.302 2164.66 2165.302 Just - ES2002c C MEE007 2 2167.875 2168.383 2167.99 2168.35 Yeah . 2168.35 ES2002c A MEE006 0 2168.608 2169.024 2168.63 2168.91 Yeah . 2168.91 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2170.672 2193.232 2170.93 2193.05 Okay um right well wouldn't it we do need to make a decision on whether we want to incorporate a jog dial in nice and quickly . Um I'm all for them actually , I think they're quite you know th very quick to m to use . So does anybody oppose the idea of of incorporating one into the design at all ? No . And the other thing was um can we think of any way of getting the slogan into this thing ? 2178.12 2179.75 2182.9 2187.33 2188.0 2193.05 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2171.554 2172.23 2171.62 2172.2 You just roll . 2172.2 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2180.397 2180.811 2180.52 2180.78 Yeah . 2180.78 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2182.384 2182.64 2182.4 2182.59 Yeah . 2182.59 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2193.2 2205.456 2193.22 2205.456 Yeah like I mean if we if if we keep coming back to this board here , I wouldn't be surprised if we could take this idea , imagine that , I dunno , that it's within the shape of the hand , it's quite small 2198.25 2200.7 2201.42 2201.76 2204.08 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2197.888 2198.626 2198.01 2198.46 Uh-huh . 2198.46 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2205.504 2209.552 2205.52 2209.52 Uh-huh ooh okay , we really gotta wrap up so yeah . 2206.95 2209.52 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2206.638 2207.382 2206.82 2207.26 I dunno . 2207.26 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2208.356 2208.788 2208.38 2208.75 Yeah . 2208.75 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2209.504 2215.024 2209.52 2214.99 It's small , and that we've got like the the l slogan somewhere like on the casing at the side , 2210.13 2214.99 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2214.16 2218.432 2214.18 2218.38 Okay well if we can do that , great . Yeah okay . 2216.55 2217.41 2218.38 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2216.064 2221.92 2216.08 2221.88 and that yeah well I mean isn't that what we just h said said we s just have to decide now ? 2221.88 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2222.864 2227.762 2222.88 2227.762 Yeah let's let's try and get the slogan on there um , and 2226.77 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2225.898 2227.584 2225.94 2227.55 Yeah . And then like a jo 2226.82 ES2002c A MEE006 0 2226.608 2229.104 2226.99 2229.104 So you wanna expand the shape of the - ES2002c D MEE008 3 2229.024 2235.678 2229.04 2235.678 And then like a jog dial somewhere that fits in with the shape of it like I dunno like here , in with the 2234.72 ES2002c A MEE006 0 2235.038 2247.447 2235.31 2247.34 That that might have one problem in terms of um in terms of whether you're left handed or you're right handed you might be locking yourself in . Could I just could I just jump in and suggest something quickly ? 2243.66 2247.34 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2237.778 2241.446 2238.05 2241.37 It would get bumped , it's doesn't really fit with your hand . Yeah . 2238.79 2241.07 2241.37 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2241.404 2241.987 2241.42 2241.84 Mm . 2241.84 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2242.832 2245.286 2242.91 2245.22 Or maybe just fit it in like down the middle here . 2245.22 ES2002c C MEE007 2 2242.893 2243.553 2243.1 2243.52 Mm . 2243.52 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2244.473 2245.264 2244.67 2245.22 Okay . 2245.22 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2246.74 2264.27 2246.84 2263.99 Right I'm gonna have to I'm really gonna have to hurry you on here 'cause we're we're actually over time . Um is there anything anybody's unsure about ? Just for in closing just the next meeting's gonna be in thirty minutes , and so you can see in the screen here what each of you are gonna hopefully be doing , uh I know that the designers are gonna be working with Play-doh on that . 2250.99 2254.05 2257.59 2260.99 2263.99 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2246.787 2247.937 2246.87 2247.49 A jog di - ES2002c D MEE008 3 2249.417 2252.476 2249.5 2252.476 Yeah . It's kind of yeah 2250.78 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2260.688 2261.056 2260.71 2261.02 Yeah . 2261.02 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2264.27 2277.848 2264.47 2277.72 So um that'll be that'll be good . Um and I'll get the the minutes up as soon as possible . Anything at all you think we haven't discussed that we need to ? Is everybody kind of happy about what they're gonna be doing ? 2267.71 2272.26 2275.48 2277.72 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2266.341 2266.916 2266.51 2266.69 Huh . 2266.69 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2275.741 2276.755 2275.9 2276.755 Um - ES2002c A MEE006 0 2276.082 2285.264 2276.58 2285.264 Um I think one thing would be the jog dial 'cause that's gonna have quite a big impact on the thing um - ES2002c D MEE008 3 2283.488 2288.512 2283.53 2288.44 Yeah I think the jog dial , you know it just after you drew that , what if it was flat and you just spun it , that'd be great . 2284.72 2285.88 2287.84 2288.44 ES2002c A MEE006 0 2286.832 2295.182 2286.85 2295.182 Yeah that's what I was thinking the a slide , because then you you don't have to put the hand . I think incorporating a logo is quite straight forward . There's lots of space for it um 2289.19 2291.36 2293.15 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2289.413 2289.726 2289.43 2289.69 Yeah . 2289.69 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2291.104 2291.36 2291.12 2291.33 Yep . 2291.33 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2293.111 2293.633 2293.15 2293.51 Okay . 2293.51 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2294.672 2297.79 2294.69 2297.61 That's kind of a design thing that you guys can can discuss , yeah . 2297.36 2297.61 ES2002c A MEE006 0 2296.304 2300.592 2296.32 2300.592 Yeah but it's also a a marketing and a function - ES2002c D MEE008 3 2297.365 2309.536 2297.38 2309.48 Sure , yeah , yeah and materials we sorta said we'd do plastic and rubber , didn't we , and I think maybe we should try and stay away from just the big protruding rubber buttons , 'cause that'd just be so standard . 2298.42 2299.43 2302.88 2303.67 2308.05 2309.48 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2299.456 2299.92 2299.48 2299.89 Okay . 2299.89 ES2002c A MEE006 0 2302.368 2304.544 2302.368 2304.5 Yeah . 2304.5 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2303.152 2303.713 2303.17 2303.59 Yeah . 2303.59 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2309.764 2311.644 2309.82 2311.61 To make something flush with the case ? 2311.61 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2311.136 2322.528 2311.16 2322.49 Something a bit more flush , yeah , or maybe have rubber incorporated into the case as well , so that it has and also t plastic I've seen can get really textured , so you can get plastics that actually feel soft in your hand . 2312.31 2313.1 2315.89 2319.84 2322.49 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2312.544 2313.616 2312.56 2313.42 Okay right . 2313.42 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2315.936 2316.688 2315.98 2316.65 Okay . 2316.65 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2317.444 2318.416 2317.46 2318.38 Sp kinda grippy ? 2318.38 ES2002c A MEE006 0 2322.457 2325.56 2322.56 2325.16 Feel like fruit . Fruits kids . 2323.72 2325.16 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2322.788 2323.388 2322.89 2323.31 Okay . 2323.31 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2324.432 2333.39 2324.5 2333.39 They feel kind of like um , you get pens now and then that you'd think that they were rubber but they're not , they're actually just plastic that's textured , kind of a little bit like 2326.97 2330.02 2331.93 ES2002c A MEE006 0 2327.232 2327.894 2327.29 2327.894 No like - ES2002c A MEE006 0 2328.704 2329.616 2328.73 2329.35 Yeah yeah . 2329.35 ES2002c A MEE006 0 2331.6 2333.648 2332.03 2333.38 Yeah yeah kinda like that yeah . 2333.38 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2332.453 2349.648 2332.63 2349.6 Okay I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to call this to a close 'cause we're way over time . So um that's really good , like we've s had much to talk about that um pretty much run out of time to do so . So off you go and design stuff wooh . 2336.87 2339.35 2343.8 2349.6 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2342.514 2343.022 2342.64 2342.99 Okay . 2342.99 ES2002c D MEE008 3 2345.294 2346.038 2345.38 2345.87 Okay . 2345.87 ES2002c A MEE006 0 2350.032 2351.472 2350.29 2351.44 Play-doh time . 2351.44 ES2002c B FEE005 1 2351.392 2352.944 2351.41 2352.91 Yeah quite jealous actually . 2352.91 ES2002c A MEE006 0 2356.389 2359.75 2356.41 2359.51 You got to choose first . No , we're kidding . 2358.57 2358.67 2359.51 ES2002c A MEE006 0 2365.054 2369.303 2365.27 2368.99 Okay , can I just swipe your power cable , I don't think it matters . 2366.0 2368.02 2368.99 ES2002c A MEE006 0 2372.907 2380.417 2372.907 2380.34 Okay lemme okay , I'm gonna pull everybody out first and then put in whoever needs to be left . 2375.84 2380.34 ES2002c A MEE006 0 2383.319 2384.03 2383.43 2383.87 It's you . 2383.87 ES2002c A MEE006 0 2393.863 2398.29 2394.12 2398.25 Argh . This is a real hassle and a oops . 2395.9 2398.25 ES2002c A MEE006 0 2399.862 2403.262 2399.93 2403.23 I'm gonna take the microphones , 'cause it's too lazy t take them off again . 2400.93 2403.23 ES2002c A MEE006 0 2405.533 2406.239 2405.63 2406.1 Cool . 2406.1 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2.41 30.51 2.41 30.51 Okay we all all set ? Right . Well this is the uh final detailed design meeting . Um we're gonna discuss the look and feel design , the user interface design , and we're gonna evaluate the product . And the end result of this meeting has to be a decision on the details of this remote control , like absolute final decision , um and then I'm gonna have to specify the final design in the final report . 5.7 6.76 10.67 14.29 15.52 18.22 23.63 25.04 30.51 ES2002d B FEE005 1 31.0 68.34 31.0 68.34 So um just from from last time to recap , we said we were gonna have a snowman shaped remote control with no L_C_D_ display , no need for talk-back , it was hopefully gonna be kinetic power and battery uh with rubber buttons , maybe backlighting the buttons with some internal L_E_D_s to shine through the casing , um hopefully a jog-dial , and incorporating the slogan somewhere as well . Anything I've missed ? Okay um so uh if you want to present your prototype go ahead . 36.3 41.36 42.53 47.55 53.09 54.98 58.27 59.8 68.34 ES2002d A MEE006 0 59.26 59.39 59.26 59.39 No . 59.39 ES2002d D MEE007 3 70.11 95.42 70.11 95.42 Uh-oh . This is it ? Um , there are a few changes we've made . Um , well look at the expense sheet , and uh it turned to be quite a lot expensive to have open up and have lots of buttons and stuff inside , so instead we've um this is gonna be an L_C_D_ screen , um just a a very very basic one , very small um with access to the menu through the the scroll wheel and uh confirm 70.86 74.7 75.46 76.8 77.73 78.99 85.19 88.56 90.37 ES2002d A MEE006 0 71.75 74.016 71.75 74.016 Ninja Homer , made in Japan . 72.58 73.91 ES2002d B FEE005 1 76.93 77.46 76.93 77.46 Okay . 77.46 ES2002d B FEE005 1 79.57 80.19 79.57 80.19 Mm . 80.19 ES2002d B FEE005 1 84.93 85.28 84.93 85.28 Mm-hmm . 85.28 ES2002d D MEE007 3 96.64 101.71 96.64 101.71 um button . Uh , apart from that , it's just pretty much the same as we discussed last time . 98.63 99.71 100.16 101.71 ES2002d C MEE008 2 98.46 98.75 98.46 98.75 Mm 'kay . 98.75 ES2002d A MEE006 0 101.92 111.34 101.92 111.34 And there isn't uh d it doesn't open up to the advanced functions ? So the advanced functions are still hidden from you , but they're hidden in the sense that um they're not in use . 106.23 108.73 111.34 ES2002d C MEE008 2 111.8 112.25 111.8 112.25 Where are they ? 112.25 ES2002d A MEE006 0 112.76 116.422 112.76 116.422 Um they're in the L_C_D_ panel and the jog-dial ? Okay 'cause 115.76 ES2002d C MEE008 2 114.85 116.18 114.85 116.18 Ah , right . Great . 115.27 115.84 116.18 ES2002d B FEE005 1 116.08 118.16 116.08 118.16 So w what kind of thing uh is gonna be - ES2002d A MEE006 0 118.1 136.6 118.1 136.6 The L_C_D_ panel just displays um functionally what you're doing . If you're using an advanced function right , like um c brightness , contrast , whatever , it will just say You know it's like it only has four columns , it's a very simple L_C_D_ like , whereas many the minimum amount we need that the user will automatically know like this is brightness or this is contrast . 121.31 122.81 125.07 125.7 126.63 130.12 131.63 136.6 ES2002d C MEE008 2 121.54 121.77 121.54 121.77 Right . 121.77 ES2002d C MEE008 2 125.94 126.23 125.94 126.23 Okay . 126.23 ES2002d C MEE008 2 131.4 131.67 131.4 131.67 Right . 131.67 ES2002d B FEE005 1 136.58 138.22 136.58 138.22 Mm-hmm . Okay cool . 137.24 138.22 ES2002d C MEE008 2 136.76 138.6 136.76 138.6 Right , 'kay . 138.24 138.6 ES2002d A MEE006 0 137.92 146.65 137.92 146.65 It might even be one , a bit more complex L_C_D_ panel with pictures like maybe the sun or the , you know , the the symbols of the various functions . 139.04 143.57 144.11 146.65 ES2002d C MEE008 2 140.72 141.11 140.72 141.11 Okay . 141.11 ES2002d C MEE008 2 145.77 148.12 145.77 148.12 Mm-hmm , and what is this here ? 146.74 148.12 ES2002d B FEE005 1 146.11 147.82 146.11 147.82 Oh right okay . Cool . 147.44 147.82 ES2002d A MEE006 0 148.82 149.72 148.82 149.72 That's a number pad . 149.72 ES2002d C MEE008 2 149.7 152.42 149.7 152.42 Okay so the number pad is 'Kay , great . 152.04 152.42 ES2002d B FEE005 1 151.6 153.45 151.6 153.45 Where are we gonna have the slogan ? 153.45 ES2002d A MEE006 0 154.18 156.79 154.18 156.79 Um they're al along this Yeah . 156.79 ES2002d D MEE007 3 154.79 156.65 154.79 156.65 You know , just like right inside there . 155.02 156.65 ES2002d B FEE005 1 157.49 158.43 157.49 158.43 Okay cool . 158.43 ES2002d A MEE006 0 158.4 162.78 158.4 162.78 You have this space here , and then you have this thing on the side as well , or at the bottom . 159.66 162.0 162.78 ES2002d B FEE005 1 164.1 164.75 164.1 164.75 Okay . 164.75 ES2002d A MEE006 0 164.2 169.25 164.2 169.25 'Cause slogans are usually quite small , right , they're not like huge so they're s 165.42 165.69 ES2002d C MEE008 2 166.39 166.53 166.39 166.53 Mm . 166.53 ES2002d C MEE008 2 168.79 168.97 168.79 168.97 Yep . 168.97 ES2002d A MEE006 0 170.71 176.85 170.71 176.85 Say a button's about say a button's about this size , right , so you would still have plenty of space for a slogan , say even for that . 173.02 173.76 176.21 176.85 ES2002d B FEE005 1 170.93 171.71 170.93 171.71 Okay . 171.71 ES2002d C MEE008 2 171.02 171.74 171.02 171.74 Looks good . 171.74 ES2002d C MEE008 2 173.65 173.87 173.65 173.87 Yep . 173.87 ES2002d C MEE008 2 174.745 176.54 174.745 176.54 Mm-hmm . 176.54 ES2002d B FEE005 1 176.44 178.51 176.44 178.51 So if this isn't to scale , what kind of 177.85 ES2002d B FEE005 1 179.6 181.76 179.6 181.76 dimensions are you thinking about here ? 181.76 ES2002d D MEE007 3 181.841 190.9 181.841 190.9 Well we want the other buttons to be big enough to push easily with a finger so we reckon maybe that'll be about the same size as the palm of your hand . 190.84 ES2002d B FEE005 1 185.42 186.12 185.42 186.12 Mm-hmm . 186.12 ES2002d C MEE008 2 189.4 189.77 189.4 189.77 Okay . 189.77 ES2002d A MEE006 0 190.39 195.09 190.39 195.09 Yep so that would be about a centimetre for a button , so one two three 193.18 ES2002d A MEE006 0 197.42 201.96 197.42 201.96 four centimetres . Plus maybe half o five 199.37 ES2002d C MEE008 2 200.85 201.24 200.85 201.24 Mm-hmm . 201.24 ES2002d C MEE008 2 202.44 203.52 202.44 203.52 About nine in total . 203.52 ES2002d A MEE006 0 202.92 206.43 202.92 206.43 six seven eight , about yeah nine total . 205.35 206.43 ES2002d B FEE005 1 203.12 204.89 203.12 204.89 Six , seven , eight , nine , ten . 204.01 204.37 204.45 204.63 204.89 ES2002d B FEE005 1 205.42 215.01 205.42 215.01 So we're talking about ten centimetres . That would be good . So ten centimetres in height . Okay um . 208.38 209.09 211.36 215.01 ES2002d C MEE008 2 205.99 207.3 205.99 207.3 That sounds good . Yeah . 206.97 207.3 ES2002d C MEE008 2 208.76 208.89 208.76 208.89 Yep . 208.89 ES2002d A MEE006 0 209.73 210.43 209.73 210.43 Nine , ten . 210.09 210.43 ES2002d A MEE006 0 211.12 211.71 211.12 211.71 Yep . 211.71 ES2002d C MEE008 2 215.19 222.09 215.19 222.09 That'd be good , in fact a pen is about ten centimetres usually , so that would be that sounds like a really good size , if you see it there . 215.63 218.56 221.4 222.09 ES2002d B FEE005 1 220.61 221.12 220.61 221.12 Yeah . 221.12 ES2002d B FEE005 1 222.23 226.35 222.23 226.35 That's great and it's very bright as well . So um okay . 224.42 226.35 ES2002d C MEE008 2 224.24 224.45 224.24 224.45 Mm . 224.45 ES2002d C MEE008 2 225.98 234.3 225.98 234.3 Is it possible uh I'm just gonna bring up the idea of colours . Is these are these the colours that of production , or is this just what we had available ? 230.09 232.91 234.3 ES2002d D MEE007 3 232.43 233.33 232.43 233.33 Well I'm - ES2002d D MEE007 3 234.44 240.07 234.44 240.07 We're gonna have again the the sort of the foggy um yellow from last time that lit up when you pushed the button . 240.07 ES2002d C MEE008 2 240.24 240.47 240.24 240.47 Right . 240.47 ES2002d D MEE007 3 240.86 242.672 240.86 242.672 Um - ES2002d B FEE005 1 240.91 246.4 240.91 246.4 Okay so just could you just list all the things that it does s so I can write them in the report . 246.4 ES2002d D MEE007 3 245.88 264.13 245.88 264.13 But um this button um , because it's red it's sort of very prominent , we're gonna use it as uh it can be the power button if you hold it for maybe two seconds it'll send a stand-by signal . Um apart from that it's gonna be used as a confirm button for the L_C_D_ screen and you use this as a jog-dial . 250.37 251.87 258.68 264.13 ES2002d A MEE006 0 255.955 259.83 255.955 259.83 Excuse me . 259.83 ES2002d B FEE005 1 256.26 256.62 256.26 256.62 Mm-hmm . 256.62 ES2002d A MEE006 0 259.89 260.12 259.89 260.12 Sure . 260.12 ES2002d B FEE005 1 262.0 262.32 262.0 262.32 Okay . 262.32 ES2002d B FEE005 1 264.3 267.02 264.3 267.02 Okay so that's like an okay button , right . 266.76 267.02 ES2002d C MEE008 2 267.49 267.75 267.49 267.75 Mm-hmm . 267.75 ES2002d A MEE006 0 268.09 271.232 268.09 271.232 Oh we've discussed how h high it is , but how wide is it ? 269.77 270.92 ES2002d D MEE007 3 268.67 269.26 268.67 269.26 I don't know . 269.26 ES2002d B FEE005 1 272.68 273.96 272.68 273.96 Okay . 273.96 ES2002d C MEE008 2 273.12 273.83 273.12 273.83 How high is it ? 273.83 ES2002d A MEE006 0 274.02 276.91 274.02 276.91 No as in the height , but what about the width ? 275.87 276.91 ES2002d C MEE008 2 275.28 275.54 275.28 275.54 Yeah . 275.54 ES2002d D MEE007 3 277.25 278.72 277.25 278.72 Didn't put five centimetres . 278.72 ES2002d B FEE005 1 277.35 279.61 277.35 279.61 Oh oh like depth of the actual thing . 279.61 ES2002d A MEE006 0 279.14 282.33 279.14 282.33 Do we need five ? I don't think five is be about th three and a half . 279.9 282.33 ES2002d D MEE007 3 280.24 280.87 280.24 280.87 Um . 280.87 ES2002d C MEE008 2 283.11 283.45 283.11 283.45 Okay . 283.45 ES2002d D MEE007 3 284.26 284.83 284.26 284.83 Something by there . 284.83 ES2002d B FEE005 1 284.28 291.49 284.28 291.49 Oh is this k to get an idea of scale from your from your thing there okay . So you can power on and off , what else can you do ? 289.2 290.79 291.49 ES2002d A MEE006 0 285.93 287.92 285.93 287.92 Yeah , yeah . 287.65 287.92 ES2002d C MEE008 2 286.77 287.17 286.77 287.17 Sure . 287.17 ES2002d C MEE008 2 290.57 291.09 290.57 291.09 Three and a half . 291.09 ES2002d D MEE007 3 291.94 294.51 291.94 294.51 Um you can skip straight to a channel using these buttons . 294.51 ES2002d B FEE005 1 294.34 295.19 294.34 295.19 Okay . 295.19 ES2002d D MEE007 3 300.99 307.61 300.99 307.61 Um , were gonna have the volume control here , but um because we've got the the L_C_D_ and the jog-dial we just thought we'd um use that as the volume . 301.67 303.33 307.61 ES2002d B FEE005 1 308.08 309.76 308.08 309.76 Okay jog-dial for volume . 309.76 ES2002d B FEE005 1 312.01 313.57 312.01 313.57 And what else do you do with the jog-dial ? 313.57 ES2002d C MEE008 2 312.12 312.69 312.12 312.69 Mm-hmm . 312.69 ES2002d D MEE007 3 314.2 318.336 314.2 318.336 Um you can use it for um more advanced functions like contrast , colour and 317.41 ES2002d B FEE005 1 318.84 324.19 318.84 324.19 Contrast , brightness , yeah , and anything else ? 320.86 322.04 323.23 324.19 ES2002d D MEE007 3 320.89 321.85 320.89 321.85 Um yeah . 321.85 ES2002d D MEE007 3 324.79 330.064 324.79 330.064 Um just whatever else we wanted to include as the advanced functions , um we didn't actually go through and specify the 328.21 ES2002d B FEE005 1 330.57 332.89 330.57 332.89 Well of the designers what are they ? 332.89 ES2002d D MEE007 3 332.96 334.97 332.96 334.97 Uh what can a T_V_ do ? 334.97 ES2002d A MEE006 0 335.83 341.61 335.83 341.61 Okay things like um brightness , contrast , um maybe tuning the channels . 337.69 339.16 341.61 ES2002d B FEE005 1 338.31 338.66 338.31 338.66 Uh-huh . 338.66 ES2002d B FEE005 1 342.18 344.4 342.18 344.4 Okay channel tuning . That's a good one . 343.81 344.4 ES2002d A MEE006 0 342.9 343.98 342.9 343.98 Um . 343.98 ES2002d A MEE006 0 345.08 349.36 345.08 349.36 What else ? Um the various inputs . Are you having a V_C_R_ , are you having you know which input do you have ? 345.42 346.37 347.31 349.36 ES2002d C MEE008 2 347.41 348.29 347.41 348.29 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 348.02 348.29 ES2002d B FEE005 1 349.43 351.43 349.43 351.43 Okay auxiliary inputs . 351.43 ES2002d C MEE008 2 350.26 352.13 350.26 352.13 Mm-hmm , probably colour or sharpness . 350.6 352.13 ES2002d A MEE006 0 350.88 351.33 350.88 351.33 Um . 351.33 ES2002d A MEE006 0 353.06 359.87 353.06 359.87 Yep , colour , sharpness . Um a lot of these things will have to be um free and open for users to define them . 353.63 354.01 354.99 359.87 ES2002d B FEE005 1 354.57 355.66 354.57 355.66 Sharpness . 355.66 ES2002d C MEE008 2 360.06 360.3 360.06 360.3 Mm-hmm . 360.3 ES2002d B FEE005 1 360.15 364.65 360.15 364.65 Okay what about uh sound settings ? Uh d can you change any of those at all ? 362.85 364.65 ES2002d C MEE008 2 364.63 365.02 364.63 365.02 Audio . 365.02 ES2002d A MEE006 0 365.19 370.05 365.19 370.05 Audio , we have like your basic y your base , your mid-range , your high range . 366.33 368.54 369.19 370.05 ES2002d D MEE007 3 366.83 367.56 366.83 367.56 Um . 367.56 ES2002d D MEE007 3 371.021 373.22 371.021 373.22 the the balance hmm . 373.22 ES2002d A MEE006 0 371.3 371.9 371.3 371.9 Um . 371.9 ES2002d A MEE006 0 373.4 388.33 373.4 388.33 Yep , left-right balance , um maybe even pre-programmed sound modes , like um the user could determine like a series of sound modes , and then what could happen would be um when you click on that then it would go to that setting . 374.32 375.63 378.4 383.6 388.33 ES2002d B FEE005 1 378.48 379.08 378.48 379.08 Okay . 379.08 ES2002d C MEE008 2 383.86 384.11 383.86 384.11 Mm-hmm . 384.11 ES2002d B FEE005 1 388.79 391.75 388.79 391.75 Okay , is there anything else at all it can do ? 390.11 391.75 ES2002d C MEE008 2 388.95 389.27 388.95 389.27 Mm 'kay . 389.27 ES2002d A MEE006 0 389.74 389.96 389.74 389.96 Yeah . 389.96 ES2002d B FEE005 1 393.44 404.464 393.44 404.464 That 'cause that's that's fine . Just need to know so I can write it down . Okay um right I g I guess that's it , so we can now um 394.67 397.13 402.02 ES2002d B FEE005 1 405.74 408.04 405.74 408.04 We can now have a little look at the - ES2002d B FEE005 1 409.24 412.35 409.24 412.35 the Excel sheet and price listing , and see if we need to 411.13 ES2002d D MEE007 3 413.42 413.82 413.42 413.82 Mm-hmm . 413.82 ES2002d B FEE005 1 413.89 427.91 413.89 427.91 um if we need to rethink anything at all . So um for this first part here power-wise , have we got battery ? Do we have kinetic as well ? No . Okay , just battery . 417.56 421.42 423.2 424.94 425.61 427.19 427.91 ES2002d A MEE006 0 421.58 422.14 421.58 422.14 The battery . 422.14 ES2002d A MEE006 0 424.42 424.78 424.42 424.78 No . 424.78 ES2002d A MEE006 0 426.39 426.87 426.39 426.87 Um . 426.87 ES2002d A MEE006 0 430.48 431.448 430.48 431.448 We need an - ES2002d B FEE005 1 431.02 436.74 431.02 436.74 And that's because of cost restraints is it ? Okay um what about the electronics here ? Advanced chip . 433.02 435.99 436.74 ES2002d A MEE006 0 432.42 432.75 432.42 432.75 Yep . 432.75 ES2002d D MEE007 3 432.69 433.07 432.69 433.07 Yeah . 433.07 ES2002d A MEE006 0 433.96 440.48 433.96 440.48 Yeah advanced chip . We need an advanced chip I think , yep . Let me just confirm that . Yes I think so . 435.94 437.35 437.87 439.79 440.48 ES2002d A MEE006 0 446.55 446.86 446.55 446.86 Yep . 446.86 ES2002d B FEE005 1 449.08 452.31 449.08 452.31 Okay um the case , what does it mean by single and double , do you know ? 450.49 451.89 452.31 ES2002d D MEE007 3 452.96 456.68 452.96 456.68 Um I think single would just be sort of one sort of oval whereas double is this sort of thing . 456.68 ES2002d A MEE006 0 456.85 457.2 456.85 457.2 Yeah . 457.2 ES2002d B FEE005 1 456.85 459.05 456.85 459.05 So we want double-curved ? Okay . 458.53 459.05 ES2002d A MEE006 0 458.07 458.32 458.07 458.32 Yep . 458.32 ES2002d B FEE005 1 460.87 463.41 460.87 463.41 Um . 463.41 ES2002d A MEE006 0 461.72 462.32 461.72 462.32 Plastic . 462.32 ES2002d B FEE005 1 464.6 467.65 464.6 467.65 Is there any rubber at all in the buttons or any - ES2002d A MEE006 0 466.19 467.65 466.19 467.65 I think we're gonna have to skip the rubber . 467.65 ES2002d B FEE005 1 467.78 475.2 467.78 475.2 Okay , um and we wanted special colours didn't we ? So I'll have to put that Oh no wait we ho how many colours have we got there ? 468.92 471.93 475.2 ES2002d A MEE006 0 468.84 469.78 468.84 469.78 Um . 469.78 ES2002d A MEE006 0 471.53 471.75 471.53 471.75 Yep . 471.75 ES2002d A MEE006 0 475.97 479.28 475.97 479.28 For the case itself , one colour . It's one special colour . 477.34 478.28 479.28 ES2002d B FEE005 1 479.25 480.32 479.25 480.32 Just one colour , okay . 479.96 480.32 ES2002d A MEE006 0 480.56 483.12 480.56 483.12 'Cause the case unit itself , the rest of our components go on top of it . 481.69 483.12 ES2002d B FEE005 1 482.4 486.96 482.4 486.96 Okay so interface-wise , is it this third option we have , the two of them there ? 484.56 486.03 486.96 ES2002d C MEE008 2 482.76 483.03 482.76 483.03 Mm . 483.03 ES2002d A MEE006 0 485.65 486.08 485.65 486.08 Yes . 486.08 ES2002d A MEE006 0 487.22 489.59 487.22 489.59 One and the L_C_ display . 489.59 ES2002d B FEE005 1 490.15 496.28 490.15 496.28 Okay and then buttons , we have what , two colours ? 494.55 495.6 496.28 ES2002d A MEE006 0 493.68 494.336 493.68 494.336 How many - ES2002d D MEE007 3 494.84 498.38 494.84 498.38 Um we have um got some push buttons as well . 498.38 ES2002d C MEE008 2 497.15 497.87 497.15 497.87 Or even clear . 497.87 ES2002d A MEE006 0 498.69 499.9 498.69 499.9 We've got push buttons as well . 499.9 ES2002d B FEE005 1 503.04 506.51 503.04 506.51 Like uh oh wait so push button and integrated scroll wheel push okay . 506.51 ES2002d D MEE007 3 503.47 503.67 503.47 503.67 'Kay . 503.67 ES2002d D MEE007 3 506.6 509.18 506.6 509.18 So I reckon we've got one button for this thing 'cause it's just one big sheet of rubber . 509.18 ES2002d B FEE005 1 509.59 509.93 509.59 509.93 Uh-huh . 509.93 ES2002d D MEE007 3 510.63 513.12 510.63 513.12 I'm not sure if that counts but - ES2002d B FEE005 1 512.87 513.26 512.87 513.26 Okay . 513.26 ES2002d A MEE006 0 513.03 516.02 513.03 516.02 Okay let's just be safe and put like say four buttons for that one . 516.02 ES2002d B FEE005 1 516.74 517.32 516.74 517.32 Okay . 517.32 ES2002d A MEE006 0 517.76 522.75 517.76 522.75 Okay um and maybe a special colour for the buttons , so maybe four again . 521.73 522.75 ES2002d B FEE005 1 523.59 528.69 523.59 528.69 Four . So w why are we arriving at the number four ? Where does the number four come from ? 524.78 527.51 528.69 ES2002d D MEE007 3 523.66 525.699 523.66 525.699 You can see we're we're all very far beyond the - ES2002d A MEE006 0 528.82 532.14 528.82 532.14 'Cause that's one button by its the complexity of twelve buttons . 532.14 ES2002d B FEE005 1 532.53 535.21 532.53 535.21 Okay right , so we're writing down four . 534.04 535.21 ES2002d A MEE006 0 534.09 536.65 534.09 536.65 So we're just estimating that yeah it would be less . 536.65 ES2002d B FEE005 1 536.645 537.22 536.645 537.22 Okay . 537.22 ES2002d B FEE005 1 539.58 555.184 539.58 555.184 How about these ? Are we wanting them in no they're just is everything gonna be plastic ? Okay . So we're w w quite far over . Now we're gonna something's gonna have to go . Um we're at sixteen point eight and 540.23 544.62 545.54 549.08 551.27 ES2002d A MEE006 0 541.33 541.77 541.33 541.77 No . 541.77 ES2002d A MEE006 0 543.48 544.59 543.48 544.59 Yep . Yep . 544.41 544.59 ES2002d C MEE008 2 554.17 558.942 554.17 558.942 Uh how mm-hmm how are we going to achieve this high-end product if - ES2002d B FEE005 1 560.01 573.77 560.01 573.77 Well we h something has to go to the tune of two point t three Euro , so let me see , what are we I mean oh yes sorry , four point three . My maths is all out . 565.73 567.58 571.76 572.77 573.77 ES2002d C MEE008 2 561.03 563.108 561.03 563.108 We only have very sparse - ES2002d C MEE008 2 568.96 570.64 568.96 570.64 Two point three ? Four point three no ? 569.66 570.64 ES2002d D MEE007 3 573.89 577.36 573.89 577.36 Well we could take out ones by making it single curved , just fill in those bits . 575.89 577.36 ES2002d B FEE005 1 578.66 579.24 578.66 579.24 Yeah . 579.24 ES2002d C MEE008 2 579.33 580.096 579.33 580.096 And then where is the - ES2002d A MEE006 0 579.67 589.43 579.67 589.43 How much would that save us ? That will only save you one . The other thing could be that um you could take away the L_C_D_ panel and the advanced chip together , um because when you 581.33 582.78 588.29 ES2002d B FEE005 1 580.6 583.02 580.6 583.02 How much would that save us ? One . 582.46 583.02 ES2002d D MEE007 3 581.75 582.63 581.75 582.63 That is one . 582.63 ES2002d A MEE006 0 590.86 605.506 590.86 605.506 do something on the T_V_ , the T_V_ responds and reacts as well , so the user could be looking at the T_V_ and pushing his thing so we may not need to so when we scroll we need just some way to get the T_V_ to respond , which I think is a technically doable thing so 592.3 594.57 603.3 ES2002d C MEE008 2 591.97 592.29 591.97 592.29 Mm-hmm . 592.29 ES2002d D MEE007 3 597.14 598.11 597.14 598.11 That's fair enough , yeah . 597.76 598.11 ES2002d C MEE008 2 599.15 599.43 599.15 599.43 Mm-hmm . 599.43 ES2002d C MEE008 2 601.34 601.67 601.34 601.67 Mm-hmm . 601.67 ES2002d B FEE005 1 602.97 603.776 602.97 603.776 Okay so - ES2002d C MEE008 2 603.13 603.4 603.13 603.4 Mm-hmm . 603.4 ES2002d C MEE008 2 605.22 605.5 605.22 605.5 Mm-hmm . 605.5 ES2002d B FEE005 1 605.56 610.56 605.56 610.56 So w what's our reviewed suggestion ? Um take away the L_C_ display ? 607.94 610.56 ES2002d A MEE006 0 610.5 610.69 610.5 610.69 Yep . 610.69 ES2002d A MEE006 0 612.69 614.31 612.69 614.31 And the advanced chip goes away as well . 614.31 ES2002d C MEE008 2 612.81 613.06 612.81 613.06 Mm-hmm . 613.06 ES2002d B FEE005 1 614.74 617.93 614.74 617.93 To be replaced with a regular chip . 617.93 ES2002d A MEE006 0 616.6 617.1 616.6 617.1 Regular chip . 617.1 ES2002d A MEE006 0 618.46 618.75 618.46 618.75 Yep . 618.75 ES2002d C MEE008 2 621.84 622.14 621.84 622.14 Mm-hmm . 622.14 ES2002d B FEE005 1 621.85 622.38 621.85 622.38 Okay . 622.38 ES2002d A MEE006 0 622.12 624.215 622.12 624.215 So what that means is that um - ES2002d B FEE005 1 623.387 631.48 623.387 631.48 And so we've got point three to get rid of . Um and we ha where are the four the four push buttons are where exactly now ? 626.53 631.48 ES2002d A MEE006 0 631.76 634.74 631.76 634.74 The twelve buttons that you see there . 634.74 ES2002d B FEE005 1 633.87 634.73 633.87 634.73 Twelve buttons . 634.73 ES2002d D MEE007 3 635.3 639.041 635.3 639.041 That's um one piece of rubber but it's gonna have twelve button things underneath so - ES2002d B FEE005 1 637.6 638.28 637.6 638.28 Yeah . 638.28 ES2002d A MEE006 0 638.2 641.44 638.2 641.44 Functionally you're gonna have to intercept So four is a good estimate for - ES2002d B FEE005 1 641.84 642.35 641.84 642.35 Do you think ? 642.35 ES2002d A MEE006 0 642.98 648.93 642.98 648.93 Yeah , so you can't actually cut It's like three times the number of buttons , four , eight , twelve . 643.69 648.02 648.25 648.4 648.93 ES2002d B FEE005 1 647.71 654.39 647.71 654.39 Like is is that one big button or is it twelve buttons , how can it be something in between ? 652.73 654.39 ES2002d A MEE006 0 653.07 663.49 653.07 663.49 It It needs to be more than one big button because if you open up your phone , underneath there's actually one button underneath , it's just that the panel itself is a single panel . 658.59 660.85 663.49 ES2002d C MEE008 2 658.82 659.13 658.82 659.13 Mm-hmm . 659.13 ES2002d B FEE005 1 659.54 660.12 659.54 660.12 Mm . 660.12 ES2002d C MEE008 2 663.67 664.03 663.67 664.03 Mm-hmm . 664.03 ES2002d B FEE005 1 663.86 666.81 663.86 666.81 Okay well we have point three to get rid of somewhere . 666.81 ES2002d A MEE006 0 668.08 674.57 668.08 674.57 We just report that it has to be over budget , or the colours , you could take away s colours for th for the buttons . 671.32 672.2 674.57 ES2002d B FEE005 1 668.19 668.78 668.19 668.78 Mm . 668.78 ES2002d B FEE005 1 672.26 673.13 672.26 673.13 No can do . 673.13 ES2002d C MEE008 2 674.83 676.746 674.83 676.746 Yeah we could just go with um - ES2002d D MEE007 3 675.73 676.3 675.73 676.3 Yeah w - ES2002d A MEE006 0 676.45 677.76 676.45 677.76 Normal coloured buttons . 677.76 ES2002d B FEE005 1 679.46 681.76 679.46 681.76 Well do you want colour differentiation here ? 681.76 ES2002d A MEE006 0 682.2 686.08 682.2 686.08 No that's not the button we're talking about . That's the buttons only refer to the pad so 683.62 ES2002d D MEE007 3 682.24 682.888 682.24 682.888 Um - ES2002d B FEE005 1 683.24 684.307 683.24 684.307 Oh yeah sorry yeah then . 684.14 ES2002d B FEE005 1 686.65 687.808 686.65 687.808 Right so - ES2002d A MEE006 0 688.13 689.79 688.13 689.79 Should we take that off uh ? 689.79 ES2002d B FEE005 1 690.06 690.74 690.06 690.74 Ah . 690.74 ES2002d A MEE006 0 692.39 700.16 692.39 700.16 Hey it's back to the original . Um so then these just become normal coloured buttons , so that might be some some way of cutting the cost . 694.55 697.81 700.16 ES2002d B FEE005 1 692.44 692.85 692.44 692.85 That's it . 692.85 ES2002d C MEE008 2 693.61 693.78 693.61 693.78 Hmm . 693.78 ES2002d C MEE008 2 697.36 697.6 697.36 697.6 Mm-hmm . 697.6 ES2002d C MEE008 2 700.48 700.75 700.48 700.75 Mm . 700.75 ES2002d B FEE005 1 701.56 716.384 701.56 716.384 Okay , ach that's a shame . Um right , so take away that completely ? Ah . And now we're under budget . So we do have point five Euro to play with if we wanted . Um 702.38 704.23 707.11 708.94 710.26 711.91 715.42 ES2002d D MEE007 3 714.601 716.624 714.601 716.624 So I reckon - ES2002d C MEE008 2 716.26 719.38 716.26 719.38 How about with embossing the logo , isn't that going to cost us some money ? 717.88 719.38 ES2002d B FEE005 1 719.99 721.6 719.99 721.6 Doesn't say so . 721.44 ES2002d C MEE008 2 721.06 721.38 721.06 721.38 Yeah . 721.38 ES2002d C MEE008 2 721.66 722.38 721.66 722.38 That's a freebie . 722.38 ES2002d D MEE007 3 721.67 724.14 721.67 724.14 Reckon that probably counts as a special form for the buttons . 724.14 ES2002d A MEE006 0 724.36 724.62 724.36 724.62 Yeah . 724.62 ES2002d B FEE005 1 724.66 725.83 724.66 725.83 Yeah that's a good idea . 725.83 ES2002d B FEE005 1 727.43 728.12 727.43 728.12 Just one ? 728.12 ES2002d B FEE005 1 730.58 733.152 730.58 733.152 Does that mean that one button has a special form or - ES2002d D MEE007 3 734.0 737.8 734.0 737.8 I think there's just one button so handy . 737.8 ES2002d B FEE005 1 735.52 750.51 735.52 750.51 Yeah okay . Well well there we go . So I'm just gonna have to redraw this now . So we're not gonna have the L_C_D_ anymore , and we'll just gonna have an on t on the T_V_ it'll show you what you're doing , which I think is fair enough , and so this is gonna be one big thing here . 737.67 738.92 741.24 743.48 747.01 748.64 750.51 ES2002d B FEE005 1 753.01 754.67 753.01 754.67 Um . 754.67 ES2002d C MEE008 2 755.56 761.43 755.56 761.43 Was the goal in your in your prototype design that it be as low profile as possible ? 761.43 ES2002d A MEE006 0 762.26 763.45 762.26 763.45 What do you mean by profile ? 763.45 ES2002d D MEE007 3 762.65 763.2 762.65 763.2 Yeah . 763.2 ES2002d C MEE008 2 762.8 765.14 762.8 765.14 Sort of flat as possible . 765.14 ES2002d A MEE006 0 765.62 765.87 765.62 765.87 No . 765.87 ES2002d D MEE007 3 766.17 772.07 766.17 772.07 You see I envision it as being um quite deep sort of deep enough to be comfy to hold in your hands rather than being wide and flat . 772.07 ES2002d C MEE008 2 768.84 769.1 768.84 769.1 Yeah . 769.1 ES2002d C MEE008 2 770.55 773.49 770.55 773.49 Yeah that's what I was thinking , to Sure , okay . 771.54 772.44 773.49 ES2002d A MEE006 0 772.42 776.592 772.42 776.592 We didn't have enough Play-Doh to make it three D_ . 776.42 ES2002d C MEE008 2 774.2 777.05 774.2 777.05 Yeah alright yeah fair enough . Okay , just thought I'd ask . 776.09 776.31 777.05 ES2002d A MEE006 0 777.91 783.5 777.91 783.5 So there's one more dimension to the thing which we need to to add , and you might want to add in the report , length , width , and height . 781.18 782.69 782.94 783.15 783.5 ES2002d C MEE008 2 779.7 779.95 779.7 779.95 Mm-hmm . 779.95 ES2002d B FEE005 1 784.01 791.85 784.01 791.85 Right okay . So just to well to be thorough then , width-wise we're looking at about what three centimetres or something ? 785.36 788.49 791.85 ES2002d A MEE006 0 785.24 785.44 785.24 785.44 Yeah . 785.44 ES2002d A MEE006 0 792.36 792.62 792.36 792.62 Yeah . 792.62 ES2002d B FEE005 1 793.04 796.752 793.04 796.752 Okay and then so height-wise - ES2002d C MEE008 2 794.83 795.36 794.83 795.36 Hmm . 795.36 ES2002d B FEE005 1 801.25 806.87 801.25 806.87 How how tall do you envisage it being ? About that big ? About two centimetres , okay . 803.8 805.0 806.16 806.87 ES2002d D MEE007 3 804.05 805.0 804.05 805.0 Yeah it works , yeah . 804.51 805.0 ES2002d A MEE006 0 804.4 804.57 804.4 804.57 Two . 804.57 ES2002d C MEE008 2 807.14 810.03 807.14 810.03 Two's not very high at all though . Maybe a bit higher ? 809.29 810.03 ES2002d A MEE006 0 809.38 810.86 809.38 810.86 This is about this is about two . 810.86 ES2002d A MEE006 0 812.92 814.458 812.92 814.458 Slightly more than two , so 814.1 ES2002d C MEE008 2 813.554 814.27 813.554 814.27 Yeah . 814.27 ES2002d D MEE007 3 813.63 815.4 813.63 815.4 See , about that thick . 814.27 815.4 ES2002d B FEE005 1 815.37 824.11 815.37 824.11 Okay . Ach , that is Yeah . Okay we'll s we'll say two point five . Okay um so we have it within cost anyway . 815.87 816.05 818.04 820.49 824.11 ES2002d C MEE008 2 815.59 817.92 815.59 817.92 Maybe closer to three even or two and a half . 817.92 ES2002d A MEE006 0 816.92 817.4 816.92 817.4 Okay . 817.4 ES2002d B FEE005 1 825.65 828.83 825.65 828.83 Um so yeah project evaluation is this point . 828.83 ES2002d B FEE005 1 830.21 830.73 830.21 830.73 Um . 830.73 ES2002d C MEE008 2 831.55 831.81 831.55 831.81 Mm-hmm . 831.81 ES2002d B FEE005 1 832.83 834.78 832.83 834.78 Right uh . 834.78 ES2002d B FEE005 1 836.72 845.16 836.72 845.16 Okay so can we close that ? This is what it's the final spec that it's gonna be . Someone is gonna have to yeah that's fine that's fine . 838.6 841.7 845.16 ES2002d C MEE008 2 841.48 841.76 841.48 841.76 Mm-hmm . 841.76 ES2002d C MEE008 2 845.12 867.128 845.12 867.128 Um it's probably just I dunno if it's worth getting into , but um just in in that we want this to be stylish , should we think a little bit more out of the box in terms of a button grid , because I've seen there's lots of devices out there that that instead of taking your standard nine nine square grid , and they have it sort of stylized or in different concept that that 850.06 853.53 856.62 863.13 ES2002d A MEE006 0 866.32 882.314 866.32 882.314 I think that's something that's very hard to catch , so you you restrict the number of people who wanna try something . The the look and the colour is something which is cool , but I think that there's also that factor of if it's too unfamiliar then um because when you put it on the shelf 869.54 873.07 875.9 ES2002d C MEE008 2 868.95 869.4 868.95 869.4 Yeah . 869.4 ES2002d C MEE008 2 872.38 873.13 872.38 873.13 Sure , okay . 872.84 873.13 ES2002d C MEE008 2 875.4 876.13 875.4 876.13 Yeah , alright . 875.86 876.13 ES2002d C MEE008 2 878.95 880.14 878.95 880.14 Okay , sure . 879.81 880.14 ES2002d C MEE008 2 881.32 883.29 881.32 883.29 What about button shape ? Square buttons ? 882.37 883.29 ES2002d A MEE006 0 883.33 893.52 883.33 893.52 Yeah button shape might be a good idea to change , rather than rather than positioning , 'cause I think positioning is we're kinda engrained into the the telephone kind of 886.61 888.52 ES2002d C MEE008 2 885.65 885.99 885.65 885.99 Okay . 885.99 ES2002d C MEE008 2 888.03 888.34 888.03 888.34 Yeah . 888.34 ES2002d C MEE008 2 889.91 890.31 889.91 890.31 Sure . 890.31 ES2002d D MEE007 3 892.036 892.59 892.036 892.59 Yeah . 892.59 ES2002d C MEE008 2 893.23 893.51 893.23 893.51 Yeah . 893.51 ES2002d B FEE005 1 894.032 895.22 894.032 895.22 Okay . 895.22 ES2002d A MEE006 0 895.12 895.66 895.12 895.66 pad . 895.66 ES2002d B FEE005 1 896.33 897.8 896.33 897.8 Right um . 897.8 ES2002d B FEE005 1 899.3 907.36 899.3 907.36 So at this point we uh , let me see , discuss uh how satisfied we all are with um 901.62 903.57 ES2002d B FEE005 1 908.93 922.096 908.93 922.096 with these four points , with the room for creativity in the project , and leadership and teamwork , and the stuff we had around us I guess . Um , let me see uh 910.06 912.6 914.75 918.55 920.06 ES2002d C MEE008 2 917.01 917.26 917.01 917.26 Mm 'kay . 917.26 ES2002d C MEE008 2 923.41 924.976 923.41 924.976 Do you want me to d um - ES2002d C MEE008 2 926.704 931.04 926.704 931.04 Do you want me to do my um design evaluation last ? 931.04 ES2002d B FEE005 1 931.968 935.424 931.968 935.424 Yeah I wasn't really sure what that was - ES2002d A MEE006 0 932.13 934.47 932.13 934.47 Maybe we should do the design evaluation first . 934.47 ES2002d C MEE008 2 932.5 932.895 932.5 932.895 Or - ES2002d B FEE005 1 935.5 942.65 935.5 942.65 Yeah , yeah go for that first . I wasn't entirely sure what uh who was supposed to be doing that , but y you go for it . 936.6 937.74 941.06 942.65 ES2002d C MEE008 2 935.91 936.59 935.91 936.59 Evaluation . 936.59 ES2002d C MEE008 2 939.93 940.49 939.93 940.49 Okay . 940.49 ES2002d C MEE008 2 941.3 941.64 941.3 941.64 Sure . 941.64 ES2002d C MEE008 2 942.91 953.8 942.91 953.8 Um , alright so the way this works , I'm gonna need to plug into PowerPoint , I'll try and do it as quick as possible . Um , this is um I'll just go over your head if that's okay . 943.66 944.83 946.77 948.68 951.0 953.8 ES2002d B FEE005 1 946.32 946.76 946.32 946.76 Okay . 946.76 ES2002d B FEE005 1 948.49 949.04 948.49 949.04 Okay . 949.04 ES2002d B FEE005 1 953.61 953.81 953.61 953.81 Yeah . 953.81 ES2002d A MEE006 0 954.85 956.688 954.85 956.688 I don't think you need the power , so 956.23 ES2002d C MEE008 2 956.75 957.21 956.75 957.21 What's that ? 957.21 ES2002d A MEE006 0 957.89 958.78 957.89 958.78 No , that's okay that's okay . 958.01 958.78 ES2002d C MEE008 2 958.95 959.77 958.95 959.77 I don't need the PowerPoint ? 959.77 ES2002d A MEE006 0 960.1 964.96 960.1 964.96 No , the power cord itself . Yeah , so then you have a bit more freedom to 960.26 962.48 962.79 ES2002d C MEE008 2 961.8 964.01 961.8 964.01 Oh course , yeah that's true . Let me get that . 962.53 963.47 964.01 ES2002d C MEE008 2 964.9 965.72 964.9 965.72 A bit more . 965.72 ES2002d C MEE008 2 970.37 978.496 970.37 978.496 Okay , so what this is is a set-up for us to um uh use a kind of a like a 971.78 ES2002d A MEE006 0 970.96 972.29 970.96 972.29 You you still have your blue fingers . 972.29 ES2002d D MEE007 3 974.77 975.26 974.77 975.26 Is it ? 975.26 ES2002d A MEE006 0 976.06 977.7 976.06 977.7 You killed a monster . 977.7 ES2002d C MEE008 2 979.64 1003.136 979.64 1003.136 The idea is that I've set up I've reviewed all of the um the points of discussion from the beginning , and used that as a criteria of evaluation for the um uh for the current design uh th or the plan , and uh so we can review that . Uh I think it's gonna end up being sort of elementary because we're sort we're in n we're not gonna probably use it to change anything but 985.04 994.01 996.19 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1005.48 1006.72 1005.48 1006.72 Doesn't seem like it's going , does it ? 1006.37 1006.72 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1007.53 1008.5 1007.53 1008.5 Oh there it is . 1008.5 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1007.89 1015.79 1007.89 1015.79 Yeah , okay great . Uh and I'm gonna write up our results on the board , so this'll be a way for us to go through and decide if we're um sort of review where we stand with it . 1008.03 1008.95 1010.93 1015.79 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1017.49 1020.368 1017.49 1020.368 Okay , so um 1018.33 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1021.99 1044.11 1021.99 1044.11 So to sort of b bring together two things , sort of design goals and also the market research that we had , uh when we rate this , one is v high in in succeeding or fitting to our original aim and seven is low , okay . So these i these i th are the and um we've been asked to uh to collectively rate this , so what we can do is try and just y work on a consensus system so 1024.1 1027.49 1028.38 1033.93 1035.05 1040.48 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1034.12 1034.98 1034.12 1034.98 Mm 'kay . 1034.98 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1045.42 1051.93 1045.42 1051.93 we just come to an agreement . Okay ? So the first one uh , stylish look and feel . 1047.27 1047.88 1050.56 1051.93 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1046.7 1047.16 1046.7 1047.16 Okay . 1047.16 ES2002d A MEE006 0 1052.71 1053.72 1052.71 1053.72 I rate that pretty highly . 1053.72 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1053.81 1061.17 1053.81 1061.17 Well yeah , I mean compared to most remote controls you see that's pretty good . I dunno like a six or something . What does anybody else think ? 1054.16 1057.64 1060.25 1061.17 ES2002d D MEE007 3 1053.91 1054.43 1053.91 1054.43 Yeah . 1054.43 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1055.15 1055.4 1055.15 1055.4 Yeah . 1055.4 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1057.73 1057.96 1057.73 1057.96 Yeah . 1057.96 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1059.88 1067.44 1059.88 1067.44 Yeah um me uh my only reservation with it was that we basically went with yellow because it's the company's colour , and I don't know if yellow's gonna really be a hit . 1065.6 1067.44 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1065.47 1066.0 1065.47 1066.0 Mm . 1066.0 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1068.53 1069.45 1068.53 1069.45 Mm . 1069.45 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1068.72 1070.528 1068.72 1070.528 But - ES2002d B FEE005 1 1070.71 1071.29 1070.71 1071.29 Okay . 1071.29 ES2002d D MEE007 3 1071.49 1073.08 1071.49 1073.08 I'm seeing five then . 1073.08 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1073.14 1073.85 1073.14 1073.85 What do you guys think ? 1073.85 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1074.03 1077.08 1074.03 1077.08 I would say five or six . David ? 1076.7 1077.08 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1075.75 1076.07 1075.75 1076.07 Okay . 1076.07 ES2002d A MEE006 0 1077.06 1078.09 1077.06 1078.09 Yep I'm fine with that . 1078.09 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1078.11 1079.22 1078.11 1079.22 Okay let's go with five then . 1079.22 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1079.86 1080.41 1079.86 1080.41 Okay . 1080.41 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1080.5 1082.44 1080.5 1082.44 Fi oh uh just actually the opposite . 1082.44 ES2002d A MEE006 0 1081.56 1083.06 1081.56 1083.06 It's one to seven , right ? 1082.77 1083.06 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1083.14 1086.49 1083.14 1086.49 The So it meant three , okay . 1086.17 1086.49 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1083.4 1086.13 1083.4 1086.13 Oh yes sorry then , then I would say two or three . 1084.72 1086.13 ES2002d A MEE006 0 1088.36 1090.15 1088.36 1090.15 Wait , what's the scale , one to seven , right ? 1088.53 1089.14 1089.84 1090.15 ES2002d D MEE007 3 1089.81 1090.68 1089.81 1090.68 One's high-ish isn't it ? 1090.68 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1090.05 1090.31 1090.05 1090.31 Yeah . 1090.31 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1090.29 1091.82 1090.29 1091.82 Yeah , one is high . 1090.93 1091.82 ES2002d D MEE007 3 1092.03 1094.93 1092.03 1094.93 Ah , okay so yeah , two or three . 1092.96 1093.43 1094.93 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1095.01 1096.124 1095.01 1096.124 'Kay - ES2002d A MEE006 0 1095.65 1096.69 1095.65 1096.69 Okay , it's upside-down . 1096.13 1096.69 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1096.14 1102.17 1096.14 1102.17 Let's go with two point five then . Okay , um control high tech innovation . 1098.37 1099.09 1102.17 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1103.1 1105.264 1103.1 1105.264 Well it has the wee jog-dial but - ES2002d C MEE008 2 1103.37 1105.136 1103.37 1105.136 We had to remove - ES2002d C MEE008 2 1105.16 1109.85 1105.16 1109.85 Yeah , so we've had to remove a few of our features we wanted , but jog-dial 1106.0 1108.69 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1108.07 1108.62 1108.07 1108.62 Mm . 1108.62 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1111.01 1111.84 1111.01 1111.84 's good . 1111.84 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1111.03 1113.87 1111.03 1113.87 I'd go with three or four , maybe three . 1112.88 1113.87 ES2002d A MEE006 0 1111.14 1111.76 1111.14 1111.76 Say it's more - ES2002d D MEE007 3 1112.05 1113.01 1112.05 1113.01 Eight three . 1113.01 ES2002d A MEE006 0 1112.86 1118.05 1112.86 1118.05 medium , but going towards a little bit higher than medium kind of thing . Yep . 1113.57 1117.83 1118.05 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1116.23 1117.44 1116.23 1117.44 Okay , three ? 1117.11 1117.44 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1116.9 1118.11 1116.9 1118.11 Yeah about three , okay . 1117.74 1118.11 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1118.63 1119.936 1118.63 1119.936 Okay , um 1119.38 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1122.31 1127.32 1122.31 1127.32 Style reflects a fruit inspired colour , design . I shouldn't have said colour , but just 1125.04 1125.88 1126.78 ES2002d A MEE006 0 1126.03 1126.46 1126.03 1126.46 Lemon . 1126.46 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1127.49 1128.224 1127.49 1128.224 Well that's kind of - ES2002d A MEE006 0 1127.75 1134.816 1127.75 1134.816 Okay , the blue the blue colours and don't re don't actually represent the colour , except for the b the the red button , they because for want of a 1127.98 1131.5 1133.42 ES2002d D MEE007 3 1128.52 1129.11 1128.52 1129.11 Yeah . 1129.11 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1128.73 1129.12 1128.73 1129.12 Sorta . 1129.12 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1131.62 1131.85 1131.62 1131.85 Yeah . 1131.85 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1133.57 1133.87 1133.57 1133.87 Okay . 1133.87 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1135.13 1138.25 1135.13 1138.25 But the yellow , I mean it could be a lemon yellow colour , couldn't it ? 1135.82 1137.75 1138.25 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1135.21 1137.51 1135.21 1137.51 Right . Yeah , could be . Yeah . 1136.35 1136.61 1137.24 1137.51 ES2002d A MEE006 0 1137.41 1141.94 1137.41 1141.94 Yeah , the the yellow is more representative of the colour , but the button itself , the blue can be anything else . 1137.69 1139.8 1140.89 1141.94 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1139.89 1140.24 1139.89 1140.24 Okay . 1140.24 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1140.24 1140.57 1140.24 1140.57 Yeah . 1140.57 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1142.07 1143.53 1142.07 1143.53 Okay so we'll go two . 1143.53 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1144.93 1145.39 1144.93 1145.39 Mm-hmm . 1145.39 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1145.46 1145.6 1145.46 1145.6 Yeah ? 1145.6 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1146.8 1151.5 1146.8 1151.5 Okay , and um design is simple to use , simple in features . 1147.2 1150.31 1151.5 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1151.95 1155.61 1151.95 1155.61 Well yeah , I mean it's really basic looking isn't it ? I mean I'd give that nearly a one . 1152.2 1154.13 1155.61 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1153.44 1157.69 1153.44 1157.69 F f yeah f fairly basic , you guys think ? 1157.08 1157.69 ES2002d D MEE007 3 1157.86 1158.73 1157.86 1158.73 Yeah one . 1158.73 ES2002d A MEE006 0 1158.52 1159.69 1158.52 1159.69 Yep , that's fine . 1159.25 1159.69 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1158.84 1160.993 1158.84 1160.993 Yeah , one ? Okay . 1159.04 1159.43 1160.83 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1161.86 1172.45 1161.86 1172.45 Um , soft and spongy , have we achieved that ? We've used mostly plastic in the end so it's going to be quite a bit of a compromise for price . Five ? 1163.81 1164.91 1165.95 1172.09 1172.45 ES2002d D MEE007 3 1169.41 1170.74 1169.41 1170.74 Yeah I think it's about five . 1170.74 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1174.07 1176.652 1174.07 1176.652 Five ? That's really low . Well 1175.13 1176.23 ES2002d D MEE007 3 1174.704 1178.672 1174.704 1178.672 Yeah well we have to use uh plastic so it's probably gonna be - ES2002d B FEE005 1 1177.65 1179.52 1177.65 1179.52 Yeah I suppose mm 'kay . 1179.52 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1177.91 1178.494 1177.91 1178.494 That's - ES2002d C MEE008 2 1180.05 1180.65 1180.05 1180.65 Um - ES2002d A MEE006 0 1181.6 1182.73 1181.6 1182.73 Yeah , company logo . 1182.03 1182.73 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1182.02 1185.85 1182.02 1185.85 could we have used an entirely rubber frame to it ? Was that an option ? 1185.0 1185.85 ES2002d D MEE007 3 1186.45 1191.368 1186.45 1191.368 I think I'd probably increase the cost . We've only got like what , ten cents left so 1187.76 1189.91 ES2002d A MEE006 0 1186.78 1190.0 1186.78 1190.0 I think it'll be cost prohibitive , yeah . 1189.77 1190.0 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1187.9 1189.1 1187.9 1189.1 It would cost more than plastic . 1189.1 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1190.15 1192.28 1190.15 1192.28 Okay , logo , we've got it in there , haven't we ? 1190.89 1191.26 1191.93 1192.28 ES2002d A MEE006 0 1192.47 1192.85 1192.47 1192.85 Yep . 1192.85 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1192.83 1196.16 1192.83 1196.16 Yep . Gonna have that on the side , aren't we , like there or something ? 1193.83 1194.91 1195.25 1196.16 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1198.09 1202.02 1198.09 1202.02 Huh . And um it's within budget , yep . It is , isn't it ? 1198.47 1200.57 1201.45 1201.79 1202.02 ES2002d D MEE007 3 1202.02 1202.3 1202.02 1202.3 Yeah . 1202.3 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1203.26 1210.32 1203.26 1210.32 Okay , so we can say then that uh out of a possible or what would be our goal here ? 1203.55 1210.32 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1210.67 1212.12 1210.67 1212.12 Out of forty nine , I guess . 1211.72 1212.12 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1212.1 1215.23 1212.1 1215.23 Yeah , out of forty nine with with zero being the highest . 1212.38 1215.23 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1217.75 1223.32 1217.75 1223.32 We are at uh two , seven , eight , ten , fifteen point five . 1219.17 1219.54 1220.71 1222.0 1223.32 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1226.68 1227.47 1226.68 1227.47 'S pretty good . 1227.47 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1227.03 1228.29 1227.03 1228.29 So it's pretty good . 1228.29 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1230.31 1237.53 1230.31 1237.53 Translates to something like about approximately seventy two percent efficacy - ES2002d C MEE008 2 1238.69 1239.81 1238.69 1239.81 of our original goal . 1239.81 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1240.96 1241.19 1240.96 1241.19 Right ? 1241.19 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1242.24 1243.31 1242.24 1243.31 Uh yeah . 1243.31 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1242.82 1244.57 1242.82 1244.57 I think 'cause if you turn that into - ES2002d C MEE008 2 1245.84 1246.41 1245.84 1246.41 a hundred - ES2002d C MEE008 2 1247.81 1248.53 1247.81 1248.53 it would be about - ES2002d B FEE005 1 1248.96 1251.49 1248.96 1251.49 Twice that , about thirty one . 1250.31 1251.49 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1249.75 1254.348 1249.75 1254.348 about thirty one , and then invert that , it's 1252.43 1253.82 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1254.04 1256.69 1254.04 1256.69 So yeah ab well yeah about sixty nine , seventy percent yeah . 1255.81 1256.69 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1256.12 1258.56 1256.12 1258.56 Oh right , about seventy , yeah seventy percent . 1256.54 1257.34 1258.56 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1259.28 1260.1 1259.28 1260.1 It's pretty good . 1260.1 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1260.77 1264.59 1260.77 1264.59 Okay , good . That was just a little formality for us to go through . 1261.48 1261.96 1264.59 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1264.89 1265.36 1264.89 1265.36 Okay . 1265.36 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1265.75 1275.65 1265.75 1275.65 Yep , oh hundred pound pen . Sorry alright . No . 1266.55 1270.43 1274.31 1275.65 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1272.88 1275.872 1272.88 1275.872 Nobody saw it , honestly . 1273.66 1275.5 ES2002d A MEE006 0 1275.696 1277.504 1275.696 1277.504 The cameras did . 1276.91 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1276.91 1277.73 1276.91 1277.73 Hmm . 1277.73 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1277.96 1279.807 1277.96 1279.807 Is that you all have all finished , or 1279.43 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1279.48 1304.344 1279.48 1304.344 Yeah that's that's me . I did have one other um one other frame I thought , I mean I I d not knowing how we would deal with this information , I thought okay in theory this kind of a process would be about refining our design , revisiting our original goals . It's not something I need to p push through , but I thought should we thinking more about the dimensions , um sort of like more of a three dimensional shapes as well as opposed to just that flat um 1280.54 1283.5 1286.69 1291.35 1293.15 1295.27 1298.28 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1291.52 1292.15 1291.52 1292.15 Uh-huh . 1292.15 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1303.67 1304.05 1303.67 1304.05 Mm-hmm . 1304.05 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1304.47 1323.55 1304.47 1323.55 Could our design involve a series of colours so that it's more of like a line where we have like sort of the , I don't know like the harvest line or the vibrant , I dunno the Whatever just some theme and then we have different tones , lime green , lemon . It's just discussion . I mean obviously we can just abandon this , it's fine . I'm just thinking about what we originally set out to do . 1308.52 1310.81 1315.19 1316.8 1318.31 1319.04 1320.31 1321.12 1323.55 ES2002d A MEE006 0 1308.21 1308.35 1308.21 1308.35 Yep . 1308.35 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1317.83 1318.31 1317.83 1318.31 Okay . 1318.31 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1324.79 1327.47 1324.79 1327.47 Um , yep so there . That's all . 1326.04 1327.07 1327.47 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1325.12 1325.45 1325.12 1325.45 Right . 1325.45 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1327.59 1331.53 1327.59 1331.53 Okay , great um are you submitting the 1328.14 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1332.9 1337.22 1332.9 1337.22 the um evaluation criteria or am I ? I don't know what your instructions have been . 1335.86 1337.22 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1337.2 1343.3 1337.2 1343.3 Um , I think to record it and uh I haven't been asked to submit it yet . Yeah . 1339.64 1343.1 1343.3 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1343.41 1349.84 1343.41 1349.84 Okay , uh just wondering if I need to include it in the minutes , because if you're submitting it anyway then Okay great . 1343.98 1347.28 1349.84 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1348.56 1349.03 1348.56 1349.03 I will , yeah . 1348.89 1349.03 ES2002d A MEE006 0 1349.83 1350.75 1349.83 1350.75 It keeps getting too big . 1350.75 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1351.2 1359.09 1351.2 1359.09 Cool . Um right , uh well next up then , because we've done finance , is the project evaluation . 1352.28 1353.81 1355.59 1357.43 1359.09 ES2002d A MEE006 0 1360.78 1366.16 1360.78 1366.16 'Kay I'm I'm listening I'm just trying to incorporate the logo into the the thing , so I'm playing with the Play-Doh as well . 1364.59 1366.16 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1363.83 1364.64 1363.83 1364.64 Oh right , okay . 1364.3 1364.64 ES2002d A MEE006 0 1367.38 1370.576 1367.38 1370.576 Just in case you're wondering , why is he still playing with the Play-Doh ? 1368.79 1370.3 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1368.76 1368.92 1368.76 1368.92 Huh . 1368.92 ES2002d A MEE006 0 1387.48 1394.56 1387.48 1394.56 Just about right L_E_G_O_ Lego . 1394.51 ES2002d D MEE007 3 1390.63 1392.416 1390.63 1392.416 My leg . 1392.2 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1400.52 1414.3 1400.52 1414.3 Right , okay . Um well do you wanna um just individually say what you think about about these four points and or not those four points , my four points , sorry , forgotten that . 1401.3 1402.27 1411.94 1412.64 1413.86 1414.3 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1415.937 1418.416 1415.937 1418.416 You got a different uh - ES2002d C MEE008 2 1430.12 1430.25 1430.12 1430.25 Yep . 1430.25 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1434.58 1438.96 1434.58 1438.96 I like those printer cables that just have the two little butterfly clips like that . It's really quick . 1438.18 1438.96 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1437.48 1445.78 1437.48 1445.78 Oh yeah , they're good aren't they , yeah . Right okay , um yeah here we are . Uh as a note we'll do this 1438.01 1438.53 1440.02 1441.84 1443.02 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1440.43 1441.15 1440.43 1441.15 To use . 1441.15 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1447.28 1450.99 1447.28 1450.99 alphabetically . Um do you wanna start Andrew ? 1448.85 1450.99 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1449.8 1453.34 1449.8 1453.34 Sure , um so what is it you're asking of me now ? 1451.28 1453.34 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1453.37 1460.32 1453.37 1460.32 I don't know , just um your opinion on those four those four points really and how we used them . Yeah . 1453.87 1459.72 1460.32 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1457.97 1465.71 1457.97 1465.71 Or sort of our work on setting this up . Yeah . Well , is it uh okay I'll just go through your system then . The the room uh 1460.28 1461.28 1461.58 1464.05 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1466.84 1472.33 1466.84 1472.33 is fairly institutional , but um the main thing is , I think 1469.69 1471.85 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1473.48 1496.66 1473.48 1496.66 um our use of this space is more just to report on things as opposed to be creative and constructive and it would probably help to um have l sort of a cumulative effect of we have ideas and we come back and then the ideas are still in discussion , you know , as in other words this this room is sort of a centre point of creativity , whereas in reality as we've gone through this , it's not really the centre point of creativity , it's more just a 1488.94 1489.18 1492.65 1494.3 1495.89 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1489.3 1489.66 1489.3 1489.66 Uh-huh . 1489.66 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1497.14 1502.86 1497.14 1502.86 Well d do you feel though that that you were able to have quite a lot of creative input into the thing ? 1502.86 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1497.66 1498.48 1497.66 1498.48 d debating - ES2002d C MEE008 2 1502.37 1513.12 1502.37 1513.12 Yeah , yeah but that's just the thing is the quest in terms of the the first point there , the room , it feels as though the creativity goes on when we leave , and then we come here and then we kind of put out our ideas and then , you know . 1502.68 1506.09 1506.86 1508.91 1512.85 1513.12 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1512.88 1518.112 1512.88 1518.112 But I don't I don't think it means the room as in this room . I think it means like you know 1515.52 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1515.96 1524.01 1515.96 1524.01 Oh , oh right right , oh right okay room for creativ Oh right I just looked up and saw okay whiteboard , digital pens , the room . No , of course , yeah . 1516.85 1517.52 1521.2 1521.93 1523.21 1523.39 1523.78 1524.01 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1518.13 1519.488 1518.13 1519.488 Yeah . 1519.06 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1521.04 1521.27 1521.04 1521.27 Room . 1521.27 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1522.42 1529.68 1522.42 1529.68 Oh yeah . Well I dunno do you th I think it means um I think it means did you feel you were able to give creative input so 1523.93 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1524.7 1525.05 1524.7 1525.05 Sorry . 1525.05 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1525.97 1526.13 1525.97 1526.13 Huh . 1526.13 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1527.22 1527.62 1527.22 1527.62 Yeah . 1527.62 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1529.11 1552.81 1529.11 1552.81 Yeah I th okay on th um yeah dif answering the question uh in those terms I'd say that actually there's sort of a tease of creativity because we're asked to work through this , but actually the guidelines are fairly contrived in terms of um okay fashion trends , say fruit and vegetable colour scheme , but then i then we're told okay use the co company company colours . 1541.34 1548.15 1549.47 1552.81 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1544.91 1545.45 1544.91 1545.45 Mm-hmm . 1545.45 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1551.94 1552.26 1551.94 1552.26 Mm . 1552.26 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1553.05 1569.129 1553.05 1569.129 So what do we do . We're told okay um think in terms of style and look and feel and technology , but build something for twelve and a half pounds , so actually the creativity was more more of like a um a f sort of a f formality then an actual 1554.05 1558.21 1561.15 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1560.79 1561.21 1560.79 1561.21 Okay . 1561.21 ES2002d A MEE006 0 1568.64 1576.25 1568.64 1576.25 You feel like you're caged within whatever y It's like a balloon in a cage , it can only go so big and not hit the side . The constraints do come in very fast . 1572.82 1574.8 1576.25 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1568.68 1569.14 1568.68 1569.14 Okay . 1569.14 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1570.54 1572.856 1570.54 1572.856 Yeah within the constraints the - ES2002d C MEE008 2 1572.91 1573.28 1572.91 1573.28 Yeah . 1573.28 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1574.551 1576.104 1574.551 1576.104 Yeah , yeah . So 1575.25 1575.63 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1574.94 1583.92 1574.94 1583.92 Okay uh do you know what , actually let's take each point and everybody discuss it , I think . Yeah . So still on the topic of room for creativity uh next up is Craig . 1576.0 1578.67 1579.05 1579.52 1583.92 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1578.93 1579.12 1578.93 1579.12 Yeah . 1579.12 ES2002d D MEE007 3 1584.55 1592.87 1584.55 1592.87 Um I agree with his point it's um it is quite a lot of fun t to go and then you have sort of hit the end then go right , gotta cut everything out 'cause we don't have enough money . 1591.17 1592.87 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1593.16 1593.73 1593.16 1593.73 Yeah . 1593.73 ES2002d A MEE006 0 1593.79 1594.01 1593.79 1594.01 Yeah . 1594.01 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1595.43 1595.7 1595.43 1595.7 Yep . 1595.7 ES2002d A MEE006 0 1596.28 1615.66 1596.28 1615.66 I think another point is that the meetings um are more brainstorming sessions than meetings , so time is also a very s um strong factor , and structure . Because for a brainstorming meeting you want a structure that allows you to allows ideas to get tossed , um to be evaluated , and to be reviewed , and to get feedback and come back . 1601.17 1604.78 1606.2 1612.25 1613.44 1614.36 1615.66 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1600.43 1600.73 1600.43 1600.73 Yeah . 1600.73 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1605.33 1605.68 1605.33 1605.68 Yeah . 1605.68 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1605.67 1606.09 1605.67 1606.09 Yeah . 1606.09 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1611.56 1612.83 1611.56 1612.83 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 1612.51 1612.83 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1611.8 1612.24 1611.8 1612.24 Mm . 1612.24 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1614.621 1616.38 1614.621 1616.38 Yeah , yeah . 1616.14 1616.38 ES2002d A MEE006 0 1615.91 1640.59 1615.91 1640.59 And I guess that point about the room not being r very friendly to that , I think that's a very big thing , and I think the fact that we're wearing these things restricts I feel it 'cause I wear m my glasses , right , and that but that irritates me right it it it does actually you know affect how , w whether you feel comfortable to communicate . I feel like I'm hiding behind the equipment , rather than the equipment is helping me , and you know . 1620.05 1622.06 1626.87 1627.06 1633.1 1635.12 1637.49 1639.5 1640.59 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1620.68 1620.93 1620.68 1620.93 Yeah . 1620.93 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1624.16 1625.34 1624.16 1625.34 Yeah , sure . 1624.94 1625.34 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1626.17 1626.54 1626.17 1626.54 Yeah . 1626.54 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1629.53 1629.71 1629.53 1629.71 Yeah . 1629.71 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1632.52 1633.22 1632.52 1633.22 New creativity . 1633.22 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1637.32 1637.49 1637.32 1637.49 Yep . 1637.49 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1639.75 1640.01 1639.75 1640.01 Right . 1640.01 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1640.02 1644.18 1640.02 1644.18 So you think a more relaxed atmosphere would be more kind of conducive to creative thought or - ES2002d A MEE006 0 1642.63 1653.264 1642.63 1653.264 Not not so much an atmosphere , the atmosphere is very relaxed , but the the gear yeah you know that creates boundaries to that um and and the time the time given also restricts 1643.7 1644.82 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1644.92 1646.44 1644.92 1646.44 Yeah , but actual environment ? 1645.37 1646.44 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1647.53 1647.69 1647.53 1647.69 Mm . 1647.69 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1649.59 1649.88 1649.59 1649.88 Mm-hmm . 1649.88 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1649.99 1650.31 1649.99 1650.31 Okay . 1650.31 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1652.01 1652.35 1652.01 1652.35 Mm-hmm . 1652.35 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1652.34 1652.83 1652.34 1652.83 Okay . 1652.83 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1654.52 1657.55 1654.52 1657.55 Very good . Um what about leadership ? 1655.52 1657.55 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1659.14 1663.32 1659.14 1663.32 I don't know if that means like , if I did a good job or something . I don't really know . 1661.05 1662.54 1663.32 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1663.03 1670.254 1663.03 1670.254 Yeah , well well I mean my sense on that is sort of what kind of guidance and direction , encouragement 1663.2 1669.34 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1669.6 1673.33 1669.6 1673.33 From like your personal coach person and stuff like that , do you think maybe ? 1672.11 1673.33 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1673.08 1676.67 1673.08 1676.67 Yeah from and you as well I think , just sort of acting as team leader . 1675.14 1676.67 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1677.16 1677.69 1677.16 1677.69 Okay . 1677.69 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1677.84 1691.92 1677.84 1691.92 Um yeah I think I think it's I think it's good . I mean my personal views on on leadership is that effective effective leadership sort of um gives people a certain room for freedom and delegation , but then to come back with something that they take great ownership and 1680.98 1689.23 ES2002d A MEE006 0 1678.416 1680.52 1678.416 1680.52 Excuse me . 1680.52 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1692.12 1692.62 1692.12 1692.62 Mm-hmm . 1692.62 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1692.57 1718.259 1692.57 1718.259 you know , innovative thought with . In in reality I think here the the different elements of leadership such as the the original b briefing and then the personal coach and the and then you know having having you with your the meeting agenda is actually quite a quite a quite a con confining framework to work within . And so it is leadership almost to the point of sort of disempowering the the the team member , so 1693.01 1694.67 1710.93 1717.87 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1717.76 1719.64 1717.76 1719.64 Uh-huh , okay . 1719.07 1719.64 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1719.44 1731.56 1719.44 1731.56 But it's not bad leadership , it's just sort of s fairly strong , you know . It turns it turns the individual into more of like a um sort of a predetermined mechanism , as opposed to a sort of a free 1720.84 1723.22 1723.79 1729.35 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1730.32 1733.36 1730.32 1733.36 So you think maybe a little too controlling or - ES2002d C MEE008 2 1733.44 1735.48 1733.44 1735.48 Yeah , oh yeah , without without a doubt . 1733.94 1734.7 1735.48 ES2002d A MEE006 0 1734.72 1763.952 1734.72 1763.952 I think controlling is not the right word , I think the interactions are very structured . I think structure is probably what you're saying that , each individual is structured to one particular task , and one parti rather than controlling . I don't think there's a sense of control 'cause all the decisions have been made in terms of a , like a consensus right , we go around and we think about it , but that you know process actually says you have to do it in a certain way . It doesn't tell you , you know , some ways that you might wanna be a bit more creative in terms of the process you know , not the 1736.6 1738.7 1740.81 1744.2 1745.9 1749.77 1750.86 1752.21 1757.61 1758.61 1758.88 1763.06 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1736.69 1738.08 1736.69 1738.08 Yeah maybe not co confining . 1738.08 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1738.72 1738.99 1738.72 1738.99 Yeah . 1738.99 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1739.67 1740.86 1739.67 1740.86 Yeah , yeah . 1740.65 1740.86 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1743.38 1744.46 1743.38 1744.46 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 1744.06 1744.46 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1744.24 1744.83 1744.24 1744.83 Okay . 1744.83 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1746.31 1746.68 1746.31 1746.68 Mm-hmm . 1746.68 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1747.42 1747.83 1747.42 1747.83 Mm-hmm . 1747.83 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1750.12 1751.07 1750.12 1751.07 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 1750.75 1751.07 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1752.43 1753.12 1752.43 1753.12 Uh-huh . 1753.12 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1753.78 1754.99 1753.78 1754.99 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 1754.69 1754.99 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1757.09 1757.47 1757.09 1757.47 Mm-hmm . 1757.47 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1757.33 1757.81 1757.33 1757.81 Okay . 1757.81 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1760.55 1763.6 1760.55 1763.6 Mm . Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . Yeah . 1761.18 1761.97 1762.79 1763.6 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1764.07 1766.98 1764.07 1766.98 Okay , uh what about teamwork ? 1765.16 1766.98 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1769.62 1771.94 1769.62 1771.94 Um did , you wanna comment Craig ? 1770.84 1771.94 ES2002d D MEE007 3 1770.93 1774.53 1770.93 1774.53 Uh , reckon that was a bit hard because we could only discuss things in the meeting . 1771.32 1774.53 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1774.7 1774.99 1774.7 1774.99 Yeah . 1774.99 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1774.82 1775.64 1774.82 1775.64 Yeah . 1775.64 ES2002d D MEE007 3 1775.97 1779.1 1775.97 1779.1 If we could just go up to somebody outside the meeting and have a quick talk with them , that would've been a lot easier . 1778.21 1779.1 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1779.33 1779.56 1779.33 1779.56 Yeah . 1779.56 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1781.16 1781.91 1781.16 1781.91 Okay . 1781.91 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1781.9 1782.47 1781.9 1782.47 Fully agree . 1782.47 ES2002d A MEE006 0 1781.91 1795.7 1781.91 1795.7 I think you tried to use the common share folder to to to to communicate , but um it just comes back to us so slow in the email um it it doesn't have a , you know , a messenger will go . 1786.62 1793.73 1794.42 1795.7 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1790.922 1791.55 1790.922 1791.55 Yeah . 1791.55 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1791.02 1791.76 1791.02 1791.76 Mm . 1791.76 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1796.07 1814.58 1796.07 1814.58 Did uh did you guys get the email I sent you ? Oh that's alright . I was wondering if that got there okay . Okay , um so um to s to to summarize the teamwork issue , saying that if we could communicate outside the meeting , you know just like quick questions , quick thoughts , whatever , it probably would be bit easier . 1798.32 1798.9 1801.19 1802.23 1806.49 1809.23 1811.13 1811.71 1812.43 1814.58 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1796.1 1796.32 1796.1 1796.32 Yeah . 1796.32 ES2002d D MEE007 3 1797.91 1798.26 1797.91 1798.26 Not just yet . 1798.26 ES2002d A MEE006 0 1798.19 1798.35 1798.19 1798.35 Yeah . 1798.35 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1798.53 1799.56 1798.53 1799.56 Yeah , got the email . 1799.01 1799.56 ES2002d A MEE006 0 1799.73 1800.08 1799.73 1800.08 Okay . 1800.08 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1812.34 1812.65 1812.34 1812.65 Yeah . 1812.65 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1813.79 1814.948 1813.79 1814.948 Yeah , in it 1814.52 ES2002d A MEE006 0 1813.99 1825.08 1813.99 1825.08 I think the tools that they were given , the tool set that were given to us are fancy but they don't support collaboration , I think that's the word . They don't support the team working together , you know , they're still very individual tools . 1815.91 1819.45 1820.36 1822.88 1823.45 1825.08 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1819.29 1821.61 1819.29 1821.61 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm , mm-hmm , exactly . 1819.89 1820.48 1821.34 1821.61 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1821.15 1822.04 1821.15 1822.04 Oh right , okay . 1821.6 1822.04 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1822.55 1823.772 1822.55 1823.772 Yeah , I mean if you 1822.88 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1825.24 1849.94 1825.24 1849.94 Yeah , I mean sort of taking upon that idea , w the way I see this i is that it's uh the the s the structure in which we've we've approached this whole task is quite contrary to the p principle of teamwork because the the tasks were d d sort of um divided , and then the work went on in isolation I I don't know what you guys did while you were together , maybe that was a bit different , 1825.89 1828.08 1843.84 1848.98 1849.94 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1846.67 1847.29 1846.67 1847.29 Mm . 1847.29 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1850.45 1882.13 1850.45 1882.13 but um yeah , but um but actually if you if you imagine not entire the completely same task given to us but us said okay , first thing we have to do is come up with um let's say um a design concept , and we sit here together and do it , well that's what teamwork is . To s to say okay go off and don't talk to each other , it's actually p sort of predisposes you to quite the contrary of teamwork . Um not that we haven't done I think the best we could have done . I'm not dissatisfied with it . 1852.43 1860.2 1865.81 1867.91 1869.41 1871.98 1877.62 1880.72 1882.13 ES2002d A MEE006 0 1850.51 1852.26 1850.51 1852.26 We had Play-Doh fun . 1852.26 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1867.24 1867.78 1867.24 1867.78 Yeah . 1867.78 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1871.9 1872.41 1871.9 1872.41 Yeah . 1872.41 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1877.46 1878.17 1877.46 1878.17 Okay . 1878.17 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1880.46 1880.99 1880.46 1880.99 Okay . 1880.99 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1882.74 1900.61 1882.74 1900.61 Right , uh anything else to say on teamwork at all ? Okay , um what about the you know how we used the whiteboard , the digital pens , the projector , stuff like that ? Um did anybody think anything was like really useful , anything was pretty un f 1883.42 1887.27 1888.11 1891.18 1892.91 1894.35 1896.27 1898.58 ES2002d A MEE006 0 1886.5 1887.2 1886.5 1887.2 No , not really . 1886.79 1887.2 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1896.57 1896.97 1896.57 1896.97 Mm-hmm . 1896.97 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1901.89 1902.48 1901.89 1902.48 unsupportive ? 1902.48 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1902.41 1924.09 1902.41 1924.09 I think the whiteboard , for me , is the kind of thing I would use all the time , but it's um not quite as useful as to us as it could have been , maybe just in the way that we we use it , in the sense that once we have an idea out there or while work was going on in between meetings , that could have been up on a board uh you know as opposed to in like in text . 1903.43 1903.9 1906.33 1911.15 1913.19 1917.96 1924.09 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1920.91 1921.58 1920.91 1921.58 Mm . 1921.58 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1924.59 1949.11 1924.59 1949.11 Um , and then we could then keep our ideas sort of building on that . I know that people who design cars and you know in aviation they quite often just have a simple like fibreglass prototype and it's completely you know um abs abstract from the final product , but they use it as a kind of a context to sort of walk around and puzzle and and point and discuss and and and in a way everybody's as we discuss things in the in theoretically and out of our notebooks , 1925.67 1928.54 1939.33 1949.11 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1938.55 1938.9 1938.55 1938.9 Mm-hmm . 1938.9 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1941.11 1941.55 1941.11 1941.55 Yeah . 1941.55 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1942.63 1944.26 1942.63 1944.26 And point at ? Yeah . 1943.86 1944.26 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1949.46 1961.73 1949.46 1961.73 we're just we're actually just each of us discussing something that's in each of our own minds . It wasn't until we had this here , you know , like at one point I peeked across and looked at Craig's paper and I'm like , now I know what he's thinking 'cause I saw his book . 1953.6 1956.09 1956.47 1959.3 1961.73 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1955.02 1955.45 1955.02 1955.45 Yeah . 1955.45 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1960.7 1961.83 1960.7 1961.83 Ah . 1961.83 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1962.23 1966.576 1962.23 1966.576 But the b the b whiteboard could've actually been this kind of continuing um - ES2002d B FEE005 1 1966.71 1970.59 1966.71 1970.59 So do you think producing a prototype earlier in the process woulda been a good idea ? 1970.59 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1971.22 1971.94 1971.22 1971.94 Think could be , yeah . 1971.66 1971.94 ES2002d A MEE006 0 1972.11 1992.539 1972.11 1992.539 I think um the the focus of it a lot was the PowerPoint as opposed to the to the whiteboard , and I think that m um is also does you know hinder us and things I think . It will be cooler to have the whiteboard rather than the the PowerPoint , or maybe the whiteboard and the PowerPoint in the same place , you know in the centre of the 1977.25 1982.76 1987.85 1991.07 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1975.81 1976.27 1975.81 1976.27 Yeah . 1976.27 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1976.65 1977.67 1976.65 1977.67 Yeah , yeah . 1977.3 1977.67 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1978.74 1979.07 1978.74 1979.07 Yeah . 1979.07 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1980.46 1981.27 1980.46 1981.27 Yeah , yeah . 1980.99 1981.27 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1982.74 1983.13 1982.74 1983.13 Mm-hmm . 1983.13 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1985.11 1985.48 1985.11 1985.48 Mm-hmm . 1985.48 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1987.94 1988.33 1987.94 1988.33 Yeah . 1988.33 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1990.1 1991.1 1990.1 1991.1 Yeah , yeah . 1990.87 1991.1 ES2002d B FEE005 1 1990.73 1991.13 1990.73 1991.13 Okay . 1991.13 ES2002d C MEE008 2 1992.07 2009.6 1992.07 2009.6 Yeah , because the PowerPoint was provided to us while we had time to prepare , whereas I can imagine if I'd been encouraged to use Paintbrush , for example , or whatever , I would've actually used it , um 'ca you know , just 'cause that's sorta how we what we were set up to to use while we had our time . 1992.3 1996.0 2000.32 2001.37 2002.07 2003.87 2005.87 2009.6 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2001.24 2001.5 2001.24 2001.5 Alright . 2001.5 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2009.75 2012.302 2009.75 2012.302 Okay uh - ES2002d A MEE006 0 2011.38 2028.19 2011.38 2028.19 I think that there were too many PowerPoints in the meetings . 'Cause the plug-in and the plugging spent we spent a lot of time doing that . And a lot of the information on the PowerPoints , I don't think , you know , we needed to actually it could have , we could have gone through it verbally , especially my slides , I felt that they just you know as opposed to having to present them . 2014.32 2016.98 2019.34 2020.69 2021.01 2022.55 2023.83 2024.79 2028.19 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2014.1 2014.42 2014.1 2014.42 Mm-hmm . 2014.42 ES2002d D MEE007 3 2014.11 2014.46 2014.11 2014.46 Yeah . 2014.46 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2014.59 2015.17 2014.59 2015.17 Yeah . 2015.17 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2016.05 2016.49 2016.05 2016.49 Yeah . 2016.49 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2017.15 2017.62 2017.15 2017.62 Yeah . 2017.62 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2021.66 2022.89 2021.66 2022.89 No , not quite . 2022.46 2022.89 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2024.05 2024.3 2024.05 2024.3 Yeah . 2024.3 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2025.29 2025.48 2025.29 2025.48 Yeah . 2025.48 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2025.83 2026.27 2025.83 2026.27 Okay . 2026.27 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2027.33 2027.62 2027.33 2027.62 Yeah . 2027.62 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2028.23 2031.96 2028.23 2031.96 What about the digital pens , did you find them easy enough to use ? 2029.75 2031.96 ES2002d A MEE006 0 2032.592 2039.328 2032.592 2039.328 Yep clunky . Agreed . 2036.81 2038.66 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2032.613 2033.9 2032.613 2033.9 Sure , yeah . 2033.66 2033.9 ES2002d D MEE007 3 2032.68 2033.63 2032.68 2033.63 Oh they're a bit clunky . 2033.63 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2037.65 2037.8 2037.65 2037.8 Yeah . 2037.8 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2037.93 2038.569 2037.93 2038.569 Yeah . 2038.41 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2039.35 2039.62 2039.35 2039.62 Yep . 2039.62 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2039.88 2043.952 2039.88 2043.952 Clunky , okay . Um 2040.77 2041.83 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2041.21 2041.47 2041.21 2041.47 Mm . 2041.47 ES2002d A MEE006 0 2043.48 2049.62 2043.48 2049.62 Having to tick it before you go off was a bit hindering as well , 'cause you're half way through a thought , and then you run out of paper and then you have to jump . 2046.51 2047.75 2049.62 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2046.45 2046.89 2046.45 2046.89 Mm . 2046.89 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2046.8 2047.3 2046.8 2047.3 Yeah . 2047.3 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2049.73 2067.29 2049.73 2067.29 I know , I think at the very start of today I like wrote a whole load of stuff , didn't click note on one , then went back and wrote one tiny wee thing on the another page , but then did click note , and so I'm quite worried that I've just written over the top of it or something , but they'll have my paper anyway um and haven't done that since . 2049.95 2054.31 2056.45 2059.59 2060.84 2063.88 2067.29 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2049.74 2050.41 2049.74 2050.41 Yeah . 2050.41 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2060.69 2060.87 2060.69 2060.87 Hmm . 2060.87 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2062.9 2063.09 2062.9 2063.09 Hmm . 2063.09 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2063.27 2066.77 2063.27 2066.77 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . Hmm . 2063.48 2065.94 2066.77 ES2002d A MEE006 0 2066.76 2075.206 2066.76 2075.206 But I think the pen is v is very intuitive , everybody knows how to use it , we don't have to worry . So I think the pen's good . It's about the best thing . 2068.72 2069.79 2071.05 2073.11 2075.13 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2069.94 2072.88 2069.94 2072.88 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 2071.04 2072.6 2072.88 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2070.26 2071.53 2070.26 2071.53 Yeah , yeah . 2071.1 2071.53 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2074.39 2081.55 2074.39 2081.55 And o on the topic of the technology , it just occurred to me that we actually didn't need to move our computers because each computer has all of the files . 2076.02 2081.55 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2082.21 2082.76 2082.21 2082.76 Yeah . 2082.76 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2082.45 2083.962 2082.45 2083.962 It just occurred to me that they all - ES2002d A MEE006 0 2083.51 2085.52 2083.51 2085.52 Yeah we only needed one computer and - ES2002d C MEE008 2 2084.9 2086.29 2084.9 2086.29 We only actually needed one computer . 2086.29 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2086.16 2088.23 2086.16 2088.23 Yeah , that's true . 2087.38 2088.23 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2087.27 2090.3 2087.27 2090.3 If there had been a fifth , that coulda just been sitting there ready to go the whole time . 2088.2 2090.3 ES2002d D MEE007 3 2088.37 2088.75 2088.37 2088.75 Good point . 2088.75 ES2002d A MEE006 0 2090.04 2101.536 2090.04 2101.536 And the computer may not um be conducive to a meeting because um you tend to look at your computer and wanna have the urge to check something , you know , it's useful but 2100.18 2100.44 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2093.33 2093.55 2093.33 2093.55 Yeah . 2093.55 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2096.84 2097.15 2096.84 2097.15 Yeah . 2097.15 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2099.38 2099.71 2099.38 2099.71 Yeah . 2099.71 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2099.97 2100.41 2099.97 2100.41 Yeah . 2100.41 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2101.88 2104.5 2101.88 2104.5 Do you think the computers just provide distraction in a meeting ? 2104.5 ES2002d A MEE006 0 2104.52 2108.224 2104.52 2108.224 I think too many computers are just distracting . Um 2107.63 ES2002d D MEE007 3 2106.32 2106.66 2106.32 2106.66 Yeah . 2106.66 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2107.28 2107.85 2107.28 2107.85 Okay . 2107.85 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2109.88 2123.02 2109.88 2123.02 I know I I like to have things written down in front of me actually , like a lot of the stuff that was emailed to me I ended up you know like writing down there or something so I could look at it really quickly and not have the distraction of all of that , um I don't know about anybody else . 2112.61 2120.59 2123.02 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2112.53 2114.53 2112.53 2114.53 Mm-hmm . Yep . 2114.05 2114.53 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2116.09 2116.46 2116.09 2116.46 Mm-hmm . 2116.46 ES2002d A MEE006 0 2116.8 2117.15 2116.8 2117.15 Yep . 2117.15 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2118.16 2118.75 2118.16 2118.75 Mm-hmm . 2118.75 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2122.39 2122.76 2122.39 2122.76 Mm-hmm . 2122.76 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2123.57 2140.36 2123.57 2140.36 Um what else uh any wh I do I'm not really sure what they're looking for when they say new ideas found . Um I don't know is could you think of like anything else that would have been helpful today at all ? 2133.3 2140.36 ES2002d D MEE007 3 2134.92 2136.687 2134.92 2136.687 Is this for the project or - ES2002d C MEE008 2 2143.98 2149.07 2143.98 2149.07 Well , the w main one for me is that uh the process 2145.42 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2150.13 2159.9 2150.13 2159.9 na in a natural f context would not have been interrupted by this necessity to discommunicate ourselves from each other . 2159.9 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2158.99 2161.637 2158.99 2161.637 Mm . Yeah if we just had uh 2160.58 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2160.57 2175.15 2160.57 2175.15 So , that's kind of a new idea for me is like just sort of that idea , well you know it's kind of s hard to keep f working forward on a team a team based project when when you're told you must now work away from your team . 2161.02 2163.58 2175.15 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2170.22 2171.11 2170.22 2171.11 Mm-hmm . 2171.11 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2174.861 2197.36 2174.861 2197.36 Yeah I I dunno I think it was quite good that we had time limits on the meetings because they really could have run on and like my experience with meetings is that they really do , and you can spend a lot of time talking about The only thing is though like when we had our meeting about the conceptual design , I thought there maybe another fifteen minutes would have been useful there but um yeah . 2183.64 2189.3 2197.36 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2182.23 2182.65 2182.23 2182.65 Oh yeah . 2182.65 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2184.04 2185.26 2184.04 2185.26 Yeah , yeah . 2184.95 2185.26 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2192.69 2195.37 2192.69 2195.37 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 2193.56 2195.03 2195.37 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2197.64 2216.96 2197.64 2216.96 I really thi i I think maybe if we'd like all been working in the one room , and they just said you know like every hour or something everybody make sure yo you know just have a have a short meeting and then just c just to have like something written down , just like you know a a milestone if you like um rather than having meetings , but 2200.72 2211.38 2216.72 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2206.21 2206.56 2206.21 2206.56 Mm-hmm . 2206.56 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2208.69 2209.1 2208.69 2209.1 Mm-hmm . 2209.1 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2211.36 2211.82 2211.36 2211.82 Mm-hmm . 2211.82 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2218.41 2234.28 2218.41 2234.28 There you go . Um so in closing , I haven't got my five minutes to go . Thin Oh there it i Five minutes to go . Wonderful . Okay um are the costs within the budget , yes they are . And is the project evaluated , yes it is . So now celebrate . 2219.12 2222.18 2223.91 2226.54 2227.49 2229.17 2230.82 2232.13 2233.34 2234.28 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2218.78 2219.07 2218.78 2219.07 Hmm . 2219.07 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2234.59 2236.127 2234.59 2236.127 Great . So it 2235.54 ES2002d A MEE006 0 2235.62 2236.81 2235.62 2236.81 And we have Ninja Homer . 2236.81 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2237.21 2237.97 2237.21 2237.97 So now we - ES2002d D MEE007 3 2237.59 2237.95 2237.59 2237.95 Oh yeah . 2237.95 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2238.85 2241.73 2238.85 2241.73 Well apparently now I write the final report . What are you guys doing now ? 2240.86 2241.73 ES2002d D MEE007 3 2240.59 2241.45 2240.59 2241.45 Do we know what the other ones are ? 2241.45 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2242.0 2242.88 2242.0 2242.88 I I don't know . 2242.88 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2243.01 2243.56 2243.01 2243.56 You dunno ? 2243.56 ES2002d D MEE007 3 2243.24 2245.6 2243.24 2245.6 Oh wow . 2245.22 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2244.67 2244.84 2244.67 2244.84 Hmm . 2244.84 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2245.72 2247.872 2245.72 2247.872 That is lovely . 2247.73 ES2002d D MEE007 3 2247.22 2250.832 2247.22 2250.832 Hey yeah , I said Ninja Homer . 2248.58 2250.11 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2249.94 2250.62 2249.94 2250.62 What did you call it ? 2250.62 ES2002d A MEE006 0 2251.02 2253.9 2251.02 2253.9 Ninja Homer . See it looks like Homer Simpson 2252.68 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2254.26 2256.87 2254.26 2256.87 Huh , huh . Logo . 2254.8 2256.34 2256.87 ES2002d A MEE006 0 2255.03 2259.89 2255.03 2259.89 but it's electronic so it's made in Japan . Yeah it's just a logo . 2258.98 2259.89 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2255.13 2265.488 2255.13 2265.488 So is that j is that just is that just a logo or does it do anything ? Just a logo and then like Ninja Homer , right okay . 2259.82 2262.8 2265.44 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2260.67 2260.9 2260.67 2260.9 Huh . 2260.9 ES2002d A MEE006 0 2261.58 2263.873 2261.58 2263.873 Ninja Homer . 2263.73 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2264.16 2264.32 2264.16 2264.32 Mm . 2264.32 ES2002d A MEE006 0 2265.6 2269.68 2265.6 2269.68 The the red is supposed to represent the whatever else you wanna print on the side of it . 2269.68 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2270.09 2270.45 2270.09 2270.45 Mm-hmm . 2270.45 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2271.19 2272.22 2271.19 2272.22 I think it's quite nice . 2272.22 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2271.4 2273.23 2271.4 2273.23 Fashion technology or something . 2273.23 ES2002d A MEE006 0 2274.04 2279.083 2274.04 2279.083 You can wear Homer , you can throw Homer when you're frustrated , doh . 2275.08 2276.86 2278.7 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2276.86 2278.65 2276.86 2278.65 Hmm , hmm , hmm . 2277.97 2278.51 2278.65 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2279.57 2285.19 2279.57 2285.19 Oh no , that's cool , it's got I'm kind of I'm slightly gutted that we couldn't get plastic and rubber , I think that would have been nice . 2279.87 2280.33 2283.94 2285.19 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2280.87 2281.35 2280.87 2281.35 Hmm . 2281.35 ES2002d A MEE006 0 2281.32 2282.05 2281.32 2282.05 It's clunky . 2282.05 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2284.92 2285.74 2284.92 2285.74 Yeah , yeah . 2285.53 2285.74 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2286.35 2290.24 2286.35 2290.24 Ah well , maybe from now on real reaction should give us more money . 2287.94 2290.24 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2289.04 2289.45 2289.04 2289.45 Mm-hmm . 2289.45 ES2002d A MEE006 0 2290.32 2313.37 2290.32 2313.37 Oh , I did learn something new , Play-Doh is useful . No it is it is . It is useful and in in in in in in in um conceptualizing , in being creative . 'Cause like you say , it's something you can put your hands on and feel and touch and get a sense for . Like we were playing with the Play-Doh and the ideas came with the Play-Doh rather than with everything else . You might wanna write that down . It's just , I'm just fiddling with the Play-Doh , and I'm going yeah yeah it's kinda cool . 2290.56 2291.61 2293.9 2294.6 2298.99 2300.28 2300.76 2304.31 2309.24 2310.44 2311.06 2311.99 2313.37 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2290.55 2290.66 2290.55 2290.66 Hmm . 2290.66 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2293.64 2294.15 2293.64 2294.15 Play-Doh s - ES2002d C MEE008 2 2295.48 2295.86 2295.48 2295.86 Huh . 2295.86 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2298.07 2298.37 2298.07 2298.37 Huh . 2298.37 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2300.1 2300.7 2300.1 2300.7 Really ? 2300.7 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2302.458 2303.49 2302.458 2303.49 Yeah . 2303.49 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2303.46 2303.89 2303.46 2303.89 Yeah . 2303.89 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2307.59 2308.07 2307.59 2308.07 Did they ? 2308.07 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2309.96 2310.38 2309.96 2310.38 Yeah . 2310.38 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2310.69 2311.1 2310.69 2311.1 Okay . 2311.1 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2312.58 2314.43 2312.58 2314.43 Play-Doh . 2314.43 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2313.08 2314.03 2313.08 2314.03 No , it's true , yeah . 2313.27 2313.75 2314.03 ES2002d D MEE007 3 2314.66 2316.24 2314.66 2316.24 Guess I'd forgot how good s Play-Doh smells . 2316.24 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2316.82 2316.96 2316.82 2316.96 Hmm . 2316.96 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2316.91 2319.824 2316.91 2319.824 Yeah , it smells funny doesn't it . Um 2317.1 2318.69 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2318.56 2320.5 2318.56 2320.5 And some Play-Dohs are actually I think edible aren't they ? 2320.5 ES2002d A MEE006 0 2320.96 2321.99 2320.96 2321.99 No , all Play-Doh is edible . 2321.09 2321.99 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2320.97 2323.68 2320.97 2323.68 Yeah like the stuff for I think it has to be , yeah . 2323.3 2323.68 ES2002d D MEE007 3 2321.71 2323.83 2321.71 2323.83 I think they're all non-toxic 'cause it's aimed for like two-year-olds . 2323.83 ES2002d A MEE006 0 2323.34 2326.448 2323.34 2326.448 It's just wheat , it's the stuff that your mom could make with preservatives and uh 2324.07 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2326.47 2327.1 2326.47 2327.1 Wow , hmm . 2327.04 2327.1 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2326.58 2330.07 2326.58 2330.07 Yeah um so to wha what are your summarising words about Play-Doh ? 2330.07 ES2002d A MEE006 0 2331.35 2340.69 2331.35 2340.69 It's helpful to the creative process . Um it engages all your senses not just your sight , but your sense of feel your sense of touch . And it helps you to understand 2333.47 2336.94 2338.77 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2332.17 2332.29 2332.17 2332.29 Huh . 2332.29 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2333.49 2334.11 2333.49 2334.11 Okay . 2334.11 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2337.32 2337.5 2337.32 2337.5 Yep . 2337.5 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2338.85 2342.016 2338.85 2342.016 Taste . 2341.65 ES2002d A MEE006 0 2342.02 2357.15 2342.02 2357.15 dimension as well . I think that that's very helpful because it it starts to pop up , whereas on a piece of paper , on a computer , on a board , um even with a three D_ graphic thing it still , it requires a lot of yeah tangible , that's a nice word . It becomes tangible . 2342.96 2346.26 2347.18 2347.68 2348.82 2351.73 2354.87 2355.94 2357.15 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2342.944 2344.37 2342.944 2344.37 Yeah . 2344.37 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2343.25 2343.66 2343.25 2343.66 Yeah . 2343.66 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2347.76 2348.3 2347.76 2348.3 Yeah . 2348.3 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2347.77 2349.74 2347.77 2349.74 Mm-hmm , yep . Yeah . 2348.35 2349.25 2349.74 ES2002d D MEE007 3 2352.26 2353.26 2352.26 2353.26 Yeah it's not very tangible . 2353.26 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2352.76 2353.15 2352.76 2353.15 Yeah . 2353.15 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2354.05 2354.8 2354.05 2354.8 Mm-hmm . 2354.8 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2354.49 2355.95 2354.49 2355.95 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 2355.15 2355.59 2355.95 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2357.61 2357.94 2357.61 2357.94 Mm-hmm . 2357.94 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2358.76 2360.01 2358.76 2360.01 Tangible . 2360.01 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2362.67 2365.12 2362.67 2365.12 Okay uh - ES2002d B FEE005 1 2370.26 2375.7 2370.26 2375.7 Mm . I don't know if there's anything else we needed to discuss . 2371.65 2375.7 ES2002d A MEE006 0 2373.56 2373.71 2373.56 2373.71 Nope . 2373.71 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2377.06 2378.41 2377.06 2378.41 That that's about it really . 2378.41 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2381.59 2383.44 2381.59 2383.44 Just sit still I guess for a little while . 2383.44 ES2002d C MEE008 2 2383.59 2386.67 2383.59 2386.67 Do we retreat to our , to continue our 2385.72 ES2002d A MEE006 0 2387.12 2390.64 2387.12 2390.64 I think we could probably do it here as long as we don't collaborate . 2390.64 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2387.52 2387.84 2387.52 2387.84 Um - ES2002d C MEE008 2 2388.37 2389.7 2388.37 2389.7 r reporting or what i - ES2002d B FEE005 1 2389.81 2395.28 2389.81 2395.28 Well I dunno . Um I'm sure the little uh the little thing'll pop up any minute now . 2390.77 2395.28 ES2002d A MEE006 0 2395.86 2397.04 2395.86 2397.04 Can we turn off the microphones ? 2397.04 ES2002d B FEE005 1 2398.3 2400.86 2398.3 2400.86 Yeah , yeah if the meeting's over then yeah I guess so . 2398.71 2400.86 ES2003a B MEE009 1 1.44 13.312 2.13 13.18 Okay , well I think we're ready to begin . Right , my name's Adam Duguid , we're here because of real reaction , um , we have in the group 2.49 5.63 6.65 7.55 9.2 10.47 ES2003a C MEE012 2 13.152 16.922 13.24 16.81 Oh , Ebenezer Ademesoye . Would you like me to spell that ? 13.6 15.21 16.81 ES2003a C MEE012 2 18.064 18.4 18.09 18.34 S - ES2003a B MEE009 1 18.201 20.64 18.43 20.56 Um , yeah , go for it mate . 19.05 19.33 20.56 ES2003a C MEE012 2 20.56 21.616 20.58 21.52 Um , N_E_Z_ 20.8 ES2003a B MEE009 1 21.952 26.272 21.97 26.16 N_ E_ Z_ . Ebenezer . And your role is ? 24.41 24.9 26.16 ES2003a C MEE012 2 23.072 23.808 23.09 23.7 E_R_ . 23.7 ES2003a C MEE012 2 26.192 28.384 26.3 28.26 I'm the Marketing Expert . 28.26 ES2003a B MEE009 1 28.224 30.736 28.5 30.19 You're the Marketing Expert , okay . 29.61 30.19 ES2003a B MEE009 1 32.752 34.384 33.33 34.18 Next we have ? 34.18 ES2003a D MEE010 3 34.256 36.608 34.34 36.3 Tarik Rahman . T_A_R_I_K_ . 35.15 36.3 ES2003a B MEE009 1 36.496 39.904 36.52 39.75 T_ R_ I_ K_ . And your role in this is ? 38.29 39.75 ES2003a D MEE010 3 39.824 41.072 39.84 40.86 Industrial Designer . 40.86 ES2003a B MEE009 1 40.992 42.656 41.01 41.95 Industrial Designer . 41.95 ES2003a B MEE009 1 47.408 49.2 47.69 49.09 And , lastly we have ? 48.22 49.09 ES2003a A MEE011 0 49.344 50.816 49.38 50.77 Uh , Dave Cochrane . 49.98 50.77 ES2003a B MEE009 1 52.865 57.264 53.02 57.21 And you're going to be the User Interface , is it ? Designer . Okay . 54.55 55.07 55.62 57.21 ES2003a A MEE011 0 54.176 56.158 54.24 56.06 User Interface Defin Designer , yes . 55.69 56.06 ES2003a B MEE009 1 62.096 100.32 62.12 100.18 Right . This is the agenda for today's meeting . As you can see , w opening , acquaintance , tool training , project plan discussion , and closing . Um , we already got n through opening , and partially through acquaintance . So , the reason we're here , we're gonna design a new remote control , as you probably all know . The very broad overview is original , trendy , and user-friendly . Course , we'll have to go into a bit more um detail than that , but uh personally I think that the original is gonna be a very key aspect to this design . Um , there's a lot of remote controls out there anyway , so we're gonna need something that's really gonna set it apart . 63.0 64.62 65.2 65.75 66.39 67.13 68.45 70.17 71.52 72.82 75.83 76.26 77.51 78.87 81.4 83.23 83.84 85.24 85.48 89.05 95.87 96.2 98.0 100.18 ES2003a B MEE009 1 104.832 115.0 105.69 115.0 This is how today seems to be going to work . We're gonna have the three kay phases , as you've probably already been told , the functional , architectural , and the detailed design . Um 107.73 109.27 110.87 111.37 111.85 113.81 ES2003a B MEE009 1 118.992 135.04 119.1 135.0 First one's gonna be covering the user requirement spec , technical functions , working design . Second seems to be conceptual components , properties , materials , and the last one is a detailed analysis of our design so far . Of course , you've all got the similar emails , I believe , right . 121.18 122.21 123.67 125.9 126.33 126.98 131.85 132.17 133.73 134.72 135.0 ES2003a B MEE009 1 136.32 143.52 136.32 143.48 What can I say ? Ebenezer , you wanna have a you wanna draw your favourite animal ? 139.33 140.1 143.48 ES2003a C MEE012 2 143.456 144.096 143.48 144.06 Sure . 144.06 ES2003a C MEE012 2 147.813 152.224 147.95 152.07 Whiteboard . 'Kay . 150.92 152.07 ES2003a C MEE012 2 154.513 158.992 154.61 158.9 S okay . I will make this quick , since we don't have much time . 156.83 157.64 158.9 ES2003a C MEE012 2 160.336 162.736 160.336 162.66 Um . 162.66 ES2003a C MEE012 2 212.224 214.768 212.3 214.73 'Kay , so it's not the best picture in the world . 212.6 214.73 ES2003a C MEE012 2 215.353 217.28 215.353 217.16 Here we have an elephant . 217.16 ES2003a C MEE012 2 218.12 232.928 218.2 232.79 First point , begins with an E_ , same like Ebenezer . Also , elephants have a very good memory , much like myself , and I can't remember back when I used to live back in Nigeria , but I think I used to have a pet elephant . 219.31 220.62 223.11 223.68 225.8 227.52 230.06 232.79 ES2003a C MEE012 2 234.512 241.888 234.6 241.71 So elephants are big , strong and gentle , and they have great memories , and they begin with the letter E_ , just like Ebenezer . 235.65 237.11 238.76 240.92 241.71 ES2003a B MEE009 1 243.376 253.072 243.68 252.65 Brilliantly done . Thank you . Tarik , would you like to have a shot at a bit of artistry ? 244.76 247.45 247.7 252.65 ES2003a C MEE012 2 244.678 245.627 244.72 245.55 Thank you . 245.55 ES2003a D MEE010 3 253.364 255.136 253.364 255.136 . 255.136 ES2003a C MEE012 2 255.552 259.072 255.89 259.03 Oh . Oh oh I think you ga 256.69 ES2003a B MEE009 1 256.112 258.057 256.21 257.93 Oh , um , you can clip them to your belt . 256.47 256.72 257.93 ES2003a D MEE010 3 256.548 259.04 256.77 258.96 Do we take them off ? Oh right , okay . 258.29 258.68 258.96 ES2003a B MEE009 1 258.992 262.736 259.01 262.62 You should also l um have your the lapel mic on as well . 262.62 ES2003a C MEE012 2 259.997 261.731 260.02 261.731 The little - ES2003a D MEE010 3 263.741 264.416 263.78 264.31 Ah-ha . 264.31 ES2003a C MEE012 2 263.671 264.331 263.84 264.331 The the - ES2003a C MEE012 2 265.982 271.346 266.0 271.346 Oh that's good , we can clip them on . Okay . Yeah , there was this microphone as well that you 266.48 267.49 267.95 268.14 ES2003a D MEE010 3 272.896 274.176 273.26 274.176 Now where do I put the - ES2003a C MEE012 2 274.32 276.128 274.37 276.128 Just um somewhere - ES2003a B MEE009 1 284.336 286.688 284.51 286.65 Yep , the , it's just across there , that's it . 284.71 285.49 286.4 286.65 ES2003a B MEE009 1 290.959 291.408 291.13 291.32 Yep . 291.32 ES2003a D MEE010 3 299.805 301.248 299.95 301.08 Is this supposed to be clipped as well ? 301.08 ES2003a C MEE012 2 301.12 301.728 301.31 301.69 I think so . 301.69 ES2003a B MEE009 1 301.648 303.92 301.67 303.92 Yeah . It'll follow you if you 301.96 ES2003a C MEE012 2 303.872 305.824 303.94 305.76 Yeah . There you go . 305.06 305.76 ES2003a B MEE009 1 308.223 312.944 308.26 312.85 You can probably just stick it in your pocket for now , I wouldn't worry too much . Should have good range . 309.94 311.23 312.85 ES2003a D MEE010 3 317.056 318.96 317.08 318.81 Uh , destroying your elephant here . 317.69 318.81 ES2003a D MEE010 3 393.756 396.32 393.91 396.32 Uh , here we have a tiger . Uh 394.16 395.63 ES2003a D MEE010 3 397.84 428.272 397.92 428.272 I've always loved tigers . They're just they're big , they're biggest cats , uh I did a project on cats in the wild when I was a kid and uh it was my favourite cat , just 'cause it was looks the best , the stripes , orange . My dad used to talk about he's from Bangladesh so he used to tell me all about them when he was when I was a kid . And uh they're just the most feared of of uh animals in the wild . So uh that's why I like them . Didn't say an anything about me really but 399.52 400.4 401.6 406.54 408.83 409.61 410.01 415.05 421.56 424.13 ES2003a B MEE009 1 426.304 430.848 426.304 430.75 Excellent , thank you very much . Dave , if you'd like to uh 428.63 429.69 430.0 ES2003a B MEE009 1 432.336 434.144 432.76 433.99 have a dash . 433.99 ES2003a A MEE011 0 439.006 440.272 439.24 440.272 Um - ES2003a A MEE011 0 561.207 597.968 561.23 597.92 Um , the monkey , um . The one f uh in fact this is a somewhat oblique reference in fact to uh well my I have a three uh three y year old daughter who h who who who is affectionately known as Miss Monkey . Um , monkeys have attitude . Which I think is a good thing . And I mean fr and from uh from the point of view of sort of the study of human evolution they and other primates are terribly interesting . Um , so I like monkeys . And and th th th th thi thi this one seems to have perhaps more attitude than most . 561.87 563.3 564.21 575.35 576.15 577.97 579.51 588.74 590.31 592.69 597.92 ES2003a B MEE009 1 605.95 606.775 606.19 606.62 Cheers . 606.62 ES2003a B MEE009 1 656.256 674.788 656.53 674.43 Hardly what I'd call the best drawing in the world but it'll do for now . Also not quite as feared as your average tiger , but uh cats are one of my favourite animals , they're very independent , they're snotty as hell at the best of times , and uh , what can you say , you got to love those qualities in an animal . 659.64 662.03 664.87 666.76 670.15 671.91 672.41 674.43 ES2003a B MEE009 1 680.414 702.4 680.46 702.35 Right . I think we've all managed to master the whiteboard there by looks of it , so , on to it . Project finance . As you can see , twelve point five Euros per unit . That's not a terrible lot as far as I'm aware , and we're hoping to sell them for twenty five . If we're aiming for fifty million Euros we're gonna have to be selling an awful lot of them . 681.47 685.28 685.98 687.11 688.44 690.43 693.12 696.46 699.14 702.35 ES2003a C MEE012 2 705.44 710.8 705.6 710.77 Oh , that was profiting , that was an amount , so that's the amount made , okay . 705.78 706.82 708.45 710.55 710.77 ES2003a B MEE009 1 709.984 719.104 710.0 718.87 Yep . Well , fifty million , and if you're making twelve point five Euros on each one , then , awful lot need to be sold . 711.12 711.74 712.51 716.33 717.62 718.87 ES2003a C MEE012 2 717.072 717.696 717.09 717.26 Yeah . 717.26 ES2003a B MEE009 1 721.104 728.91 721.12 728.59 Okay . Now we better actually just get on with the uh the meat of the project . So I'm gonna guess that we've all used remote controls . 722.26 725.84 728.59 ES2003a B MEE009 1 730.59 735.2 730.78 735.08 Any ideas of where you think a new remote control could go into this market ? 735.08 ES2003a A MEE011 0 736.24 811.392 736.97 811.36 Well , one thing I'm aware of is , th there uh um at the sort of v very high price end of the market there's there's a em emerging market for sort of touch screen L_C_D_ remotes that can be uh programmed in m much more sophisticated ways than sort of conventional models , so you get the sort of you get um you you can redesign the interface to your own needs , you can programme in macros , and you get a much greater degree um um I mean you get in these sort of three in one , five in one , whatevers , but you can get integration between the different uh the the the diff the different things that it's designed to control , to a much greater extent , and you can have one uh you know one macro to turn the uh you know turn the T_V_ to the right channel , get the uh re uh rewind the tape in the V_C_R_ and get it to play once it's rewound , for instance . Um b it occurs to me there might be a niche for uh for a remote that aimed towards some of that sort of functionality but using a just conventional push button design . And therefore putting it into a um well much lower price bracket . 738.58 739.64 754.72 762.0 764.39 768.81 769.33 769.66 776.64 777.67 784.33 788.96 790.71 806.4 811.36 ES2003a B MEE009 1 789.968 790.752 790.07 790.66 Okay . 790.66 ES2003a B MEE009 1 812.432 825.792 812.69 825.7 Okay , yeah , tha that's true , with the price range we're looking at , going for a touch screen would probably be possibly out of our yeah . But you think uh again something to control multiple units in uh a simple fashion . 813.44 813.63 814.47 816.94 821.2 825.7 ES2003a A MEE011 0 819.088 821.232 819.18 821.06 Absolutely prohibitive , yeah . 820.42 821.06 ES2003a C MEE012 2 820.656 820.896 820.69 820.86 Oh . 820.86 ES2003a A MEE011 0 825.936 844.736 825.96 844.61 Yeah , I mean I wouldn't like to say you g I mean you get ones that you can switch between multiple units , but something that could um operate between multiple units in a more integrated fashion . Some and ideally something into which it would have some at least limited facility for um running macros . 826.3 830.72 836.06 844.61 ES2003a B MEE009 1 845.531 854.395 845.65 854.395 Would the the idea something along the lines of , one on button would turn on say the video recorder , the T_V_ , maybe the sound system as well , all in one go , is that kind of 847.8 850.38 851.42 852.67 853.42 ES2003a A MEE011 0 853.616 869.808 853.68 869.67 For instance , um let's say oh oh um , or um you know you pr uh you press uh say the play button for the D_V_D_ player and it turns the T_V_ on and onto the right channel as well , um 855.26 859.98 869.17 ES2003a B MEE009 1 870.768 875.568 870.89 875.568 Okay , that sounds like a a good strong idea . Um 871.53 874.81 ES2003a C MEE012 2 871.102 872.18 871.65 871.94 'Kay - ES2003a B MEE009 1 877.152 879.872 877.152 879.72 Any takes on this ? 879.72 ES2003a C MEE012 2 879.504 904.88 879.52 904.84 Well um I've noticed that uh gaming c is becoming quite popular with television , um when I was younger we used to e play games using our cable , using the cable subscribed the cable providers , but our remote controls would get worn out really easily , and the remote control was not a great kind of keyboar , um keypad , for playing games . So perhaps one that was more um 885.76 889.58 894.52 897.19 900.64 902.02 903.3 ES2003a A MEE011 0 894.096 894.496 894.13 894.44 Mm-hmm . 894.44 ES2003a B MEE009 1 903.296 903.787 903.32 903.67 Okay . 903.67 ES2003a C MEE012 2 906.416 927.776 906.44 927.776 specialised for game playing or interactive television . They they've recently brought out this new remote control , for people to set their favourite channels , or um to record things . Instead of people entering in what time things start , you simply stri slide a bar to say what time it begins , and slide another bar to say what time it ends , you know that's 910.0 912.94 915.39 917.64 920.95 924.71 927.1 ES2003a B MEE009 1 925.001 925.718 925.19 925.56 Okay . 925.56 ES2003a B MEE009 1 927.952 930.288 927.99 930.25 Yeah I've heard I've seen the bar-code design before , yeah . 930.05 930.25 ES2003a D MEE010 3 928.603 929.319 928.82 929.23 Mm . 929.23 ES2003a A MEE011 0 930.208 930.544 930.23 930.51 Mm-hmm . 930.51 ES2003a C MEE012 2 930.464 932.416 930.48 932.416 Yeah , it's it's taken out the 930.7 ES2003a C MEE012 2 933.712 942.624 933.87 942.58 Y you don't have to be uh really clever to use a remote control . I think for gaming , you know you want you want some big buttons for up , down , left and right , shoot . 937.79 938.54 940.89 941.25 941.96 942.58 ES2003a C MEE012 2 944.32 952.496 944.45 952.37 Uh , you wanna be able to change angles in interactive television , so you need buttons to change the television angle , the camera angles and stuff like that . 944.9 948.53 950.97 952.37 ES2003a B MEE009 1 952.976 984.016 953.03 984.016 Okay , well we're beginning to run out of time now , so , we've got a couple of ideas , we can we'll have to work fast , um , alright as you can see we've got thirty minutes until the next meeting , so we'll have to try and decide on some of the basic functionality , um , how the user interface might work , that'll be a key aspect especially if the idea of um some kind of macros facility because you have to program it , you have to have a lot of response back , or at least some kind . Um 953.54 955.11 955.48 956.58 961.02 962.44 964.75 970.2 970.92 972.6 979.4 981.09 983.25 ES2003a D MEE010 3 952.967 953.701 953.24 953.59 'Kay . 953.59 ES2003a C MEE012 2 955.216 955.534 955.24 955.5 Yeah . 955.5 ES2003a A MEE011 0 982.448 982.848 982.47 982.8 Mm-hmm . 982.8 ES2003a B MEE009 1 986.432 990.768 986.88 990.5 And we're gonna maybe n try and have to figure out - ES2003a C MEE012 2 991.184 992.417 991.23 992.37 What the user wants uh . 992.37 ES2003a B MEE009 1 992.064 1001.248 992.08 1001.2 what the user wants , yes . Um , right . Has anybody got anything they'd like to add at this stage , anything they think that might have been missed so far ? 993.0 994.44 996.15 996.83 999.32 1001.2 ES2003a C MEE012 2 993.344 993.856 993.45 993.78 Okay . 993.78 ES2003a D MEE010 3 1002.288 1006.048 1002.36 1005.98 Well when you're talking about gaming and stuff , do you think they should have some sort of 1003.99 ES2003a D MEE010 3 1007.184 1009.338 1007.25 1009.3 stick on it , rather than buttons ? 1008.32 1009.3 ES2003a C MEE012 2 1008.592 1010.432 1008.75 1010.32 Oh . Okay , . 1009.44 1010.32 1010.32 ES2003a D MEE010 3 1010.014 1015.808 1010.16 1015.808 Like uh control pads , you know of games , but or is that a bit ridiculous ? 1012.31 1012.97 1015.55 ES2003a C MEE012 2 1013.552 1013.872 1013.59 1013.84 Mm-hmm . 1013.84 ES2003a B MEE009 1 1016.85 1031.696 1016.96 1031.32 I I don't see why not , almost everybody is probably used to a console by now , and all of them incorporate small keypads on them , in fact even the mobile phones these days are beginning to use them as well , so it's probably an interface that most people are used to . Um 1017.99 1020.24 1023.29 1026.12 1030.74 ES2003a D MEE010 3 1026.109 1026.56 1026.16 1026.51 Yeah . 1026.51 ES2003a B MEE009 1 1032.992 1037.968 1033.18 1037.74 and that could allow n easy navigation , used as a joystick as well . 1036.4 1037.74 ES2003a A MEE011 0 1045.488 1066.544 1045.78 1066.44 Mm-hmm . The other key feature that uh that would be a good idea built into it is t is is to make something you know fairly sort of ergonomic , something that just fits fits as comfortably as possible into the hand . But of course , uh al al also allows for the possibility of a more sort of 1046.04 1055.3 1060.06 1060.45 ES2003a A MEE011 0 1067.984 1070.752 1068.07 1070.68 slightly unconventional or attractive uh - ES2003a A MEE011 0 1072.256 1074.592 1072.45 1074.55 sha shape for it overall , . 1074.55 1074.55 ES2003a B MEE009 1 1072.48 1073.117 1072.5 1072.89 Okay . 1072.89 ES2003a B MEE009 1 1075.328 1081.33 1075.58 1081.24 So , small , stylish , and something that's just a little different . 1077.06 1077.48 1079.36 1081.24 ES2003a A MEE011 0 1076.916 1088.224 1077.09 1088.16 A curve , mm-hmm . Something sort of sort of sl slightly sort of biomorphic in form , uh which it would need to be to sort of conform to the shape of the hand more efficiently anyway . 1079.03 1080.04 1083.86 1088.16 ES2003a B MEE009 1 1088.416 1092.413 1088.53 1092.2 Okay . That's definitely something that we should be able to do quite easily . 1089.74 1092.2 ES2003a B MEE009 1 1093.134 1096.992 1093.27 1096.92 I would I would have hoped so anyway . Um , right . 1095.67 1096.41 1096.92 ES2003a B MEE009 1 1100.229 1109.296 1100.31 1109.16 I'd say we finish this one up , we get started , I'll get in , I'll write up what we've um kind of quickly done , and I'll get that out to everybody . 1102.71 1103.35 1104.2 1107.94 1109.16 ES2003a C MEE012 2 1109.796 1111.317 1109.99 1111.28 'Kay . So . 1111.08 1111.28 ES2003a B MEE009 1 1110.416 1112.176 1110.46 1112.12 Yeah ? Okay . 1111.74 1112.12 ES2003a D MEE010 3 1116.757 1118.131 1116.757 1118.131 . 1118.131 ES2003a C MEE012 2 1116.912 1118.446 1116.912 1118.446 . 1118.446 ES2003a B MEE009 1 1118.56 1126.726 1118.69 1126.69 Um , as far as I'm aware we leave the microphones here , um unless we get told otherwise , and just take the laptops with us . 1119.13 1122.64 1124.76 1126.69 ES2003b C MEE012 2 4.304 6.752 4.35 6.51 Just put it on the deskt desktop . 6.51 ES2003b B MEE009 1 7.024 11.776 7.05 11.59 No on the desktop you'll find you should find that there's a project documents link . 11.59 ES2003b B MEE009 1 15.133 19.648 15.29 19.41 A well actually just there . Yeah . That's it . If you dump it in there . 17.49 17.75 18.57 19.41 ES2003b C MEE012 2 16.384 17.552 16.4 17.52 Project documents , yeah . 17.17 17.52 ES2003b C MEE012 2 19.568 20.368 19.59 20.32 What's your username ? 20.32 ES2003b B MEE009 1 21.312 22.592 21.55 22.21 Your username . 22.21 ES2003b C MEE012 2 22.464 23.92 22.6 23.87 What's your username and password ? 23.87 ES2003b C MEE012 2 29.072 29.536 29.12 29.49 Mm-hmm . 29.49 ES2003b C MEE012 2 34.432 34.864 34.52 34.74 Sorry . 34.74 ES2003b C MEE012 2 39.408 40.354 39.45 40.28 Okay . 40.28 ES2003b B MEE009 1 39.433 54.912 39.62 54.85 Okay . Excellent . Right . Hopefully that's us ready to uh to go . So . Functional design meeting . We'll have to flesh out some of the uh stuff . Um 42.83 43.34 45.51 48.6 50.03 51.33 54.23 ES2003b C MEE012 2 41.792 42.24 41.82 42.21 There we go . 42.21 ES2003b B MEE009 1 56.608 91.408 56.81 91.32 we'll start with the minutes of the last meeting . Not a lot thankfully to say . We introduced ourselves , discussed the possibility of a macro facility , interac interacting the T_V_ a bit more , um mentioning of bar-code , joystick for user manipulation , um and ergonomics of the remote control as well . Um it's come to my attention the following . Teletext has become outdated due to the populat popularity of the internet . Remote control should only be used for the T_V_ . Um 59.46 61.01 62.89 66.01 68.06 70.6 72.76 78.62 83.14 87.88 90.63 ES2003b B MEE009 1 92.784 151.072 92.83 150.99 due for uh time to market and possibly also cost issues . Um also key is the corporate image should stay recognisable , um f uh your colour and slogan of course is down at the bottom there . Um . Now . Just to say quickly uh I would have thought that only being used for a television the macro facility may now not be required . Um or at l its functionality would have been of limited use . So to the point in my opinion anyway that it might not be worth pursuing . Um if anybody disagrees we can uh definitely say so . Um and hopefully we'll just crack on and we'll get everything going . Um I'd like to if possible hear from our Marketing Expert first , to help us gain an idea of where we're going to go . So um I'll just load up your presentation from here if you want . 97.04 100.58 107.12 108.22 110.03 122.0 125.66 130.85 135.12 139.98 144.53 147.35 150.99 ES2003b A MEE011 0 121.168 121.696 121.21 121.63 Mm . 121.63 ES2003b C MEE012 2 144.154 144.714 144.36 144.56 'Kay . 144.56 ES2003b C MEE012 2 151.008 151.664 151.21 151.62 Sure . 151.62 ES2003b C MEE012 2 154.944 159.792 155.15 159.76 Um , sh would you like to I'll just do it from here . 156.4 159.76 ES2003b B MEE009 1 160.208 164.224 160.27 164.224 Yep . Sorry . Uh . Is yours the 160.59 161.83 163.47 ES2003b C MEE012 2 166.192 168.416 166.37 168.38 Um , try second one maybe . 167.44 168.38 ES2003b C MEE012 2 174.896 175.92 174.96 175.89 Try it , yeah maybe . 175.37 175.89 ES2003b B MEE009 1 176.144 178.432 176.2 178.28 Oh sorry . Okay , right . 177.37 177.81 178.28 ES2003b C MEE012 2 176.622 181.552 176.89 181.02 Yeah . Okay . Oh , I thought I put in my last name , I guess not , but . 177.21 178.4 178.57 179.5 180.38 181.02 ES2003b B MEE009 1 180.909 186.496 181.04 186.44 Uh if you that's all right . If you do you want me to just cycle through it for you or ? 183.2 186.44 ES2003b C MEE012 2 182.816 184.192 183.08 184.192 Okay . 184.04 ES2003b C MEE012 2 186.368 192.273 186.42 192.273 Oh yeah , that'd be fine , that'd be great . Okay . Functional requirement by me Ebenezer . 186.72 187.44 188.03 188.93 191.92 ES2003b B MEE009 1 187.616 188.976 187.64 188.76 Yeah ? 188.76 ES2003b B MEE009 1 192.716 194.016 192.78 193.84 Okay . 193.84 ES2003b C MEE012 2 194.016 228.033 194.65 227.84 Okay , so um we did some research , we asked one hundred people their opinions on remote controls . We asked some uh open ended questions , just , what are your opinions on the remote control , got a lot of re responses , and we asked some very specific questions , and we got a lot of good feedback . Please bear in mind this is only a hundred people , so even when the groups are divided into fifteen to twenty five , twenty five to thirty five , there's only maybe ten people fifteen people in each group . Okay . 194.92 197.4 201.71 204.62 205.28 207.9 209.73 211.62 213.81 216.83 221.18 223.11 227.39 227.84 ES2003b B MEE009 1 227.368 227.899 227.45 227.77 Okay . 227.77 ES2003b C MEE012 2 229.088 265.148 229.088 265.11 So we got some the bad stuff we got , remotes are often lost . I often lose my remote control , the back of the couch , some place , and even if it's not lost permanently , it takes me a few minutes to find it . Most buttons are not used any more , like you said , teletext is outdated now . I remember trying to load a D_V_D_ player recently , and there were so many buttons , it took me I don't know maybe ten minutes to to go through each button , 'cause you have to press the shift button to access the yellow buttons , you know there's just a lot of stuff that no one really uses . And if they do , not very often . 232.13 234.41 236.03 237.05 238.17 240.13 243.65 245.44 245.96 248.23 252.08 253.54 256.75 261.02 263.66 264.15 265.11 ES2003b C MEE012 2 266.288 316.336 266.88 316.3 Takes too long to master the remote control . I've seen some remote controls that are big , they have a lot of buttons , you have to hold down more than one key at one time to do something , they're just not great to use . We just got a lot of bad complaints about remote controls , people do not like remote controls . Some of the good stuff we got . Between the age of uh fifteen and twenty five , most people would be willing to pay extra for voice recognition software . Now don't get excited yet , I've got more to say on that . Most people'd be willing to pay for that um most people want remote controls to be pretty , they want it to be fancy , th they they want it to be different , everybody has a white remote control with black buttons , and a red button and a green button , not everybody wants that . Finally , my opinion . 269.35 271.59 273.2 276.37 278.61 281.39 284.15 286.58 289.11 294.26 295.77 297.71 302.76 305.15 306.77 310.3 312.35 315.03 315.67 316.3 ES2003b B MEE009 1 316.566 317.362 316.9 317.21 Yep . 317.21 ES2003b C MEE012 2 318.288 373.712 318.31 373.54 The voice recognition thing is cool . And uh voice recognition , the software , open source software exist already . It's a bit sketchy at some times , uh , you're not gonna get good always accurate results , but for a very fixed number of words , you know you have , how many different words can you have for a remote control , up , down , left , right , channel five , channel seven , you know , how many , you can't have that many words . For a fixed vocabulary it works quite well . I'm pretty sure people would buy it . But after a while people may wanna return it , because if you have to to say som I mean most people use a remote control for switching to channels , and they say they do that about ninety eight percent of the time . Using the remote control , ninety eight percent of the time for changing channels , and that's for flickering through channels . So if you have to say up , up , up , up , if you have to do that all the time , then people might get a bit fed up with that and they may return it . 320.89 322.29 322.82 325.48 327.36 327.84 330.6 333.34 333.97 336.27 336.5 336.9 337.22 338.2 339.6 340.35 340.55 340.76 342.3 345.55 347.46 350.03 357.17 359.53 360.46 362.47 364.47 366.74 367.71 368.65 369.35 371.12 373.54 ES2003b C MEE012 2 374.384 386.577 374.384 386.51 However , oh , because the voice recognition software exists already , there's no need to spend money on research and development , but this does mean the need for microphones in the 376.53 377.28 380.23 383.39 ES2003b C MEE012 2 387.616 438.464 387.64 438.42 in the remote control , which is an unusual feature in my opinion . But if we do have the voice recognition thing , there's a lot of stuff that you can uh get rid of . See , you could there're two options . Either you have voice recognition by itself , which I think is a bit impractical for like night time if you wanna be watching television and you wanna be quiet , or I don't know you have a visitor coming round and the remote's only trained for you , it's a bit impractical to have just voice recognition by itself . So you can have voice recognition and a regular remote . But imagine you got rid of the regular remote part , then you can design the remote to look any way you want it to look , because there are no restrictions on physical size , or shape , it it could be as fancy as you want it to be , you know , it could be like a lollipop or something like that , something weird like that . As long as the voice recognition stuff works , that's that's fine . 388.5 391.17 393.6 397.64 398.11 399.0 401.18 406.89 411.16 414.18 418.02 420.74 424.61 427.85 429.26 431.57 431.74 433.61 435.33 437.43 438.42 ES2003b B MEE009 1 438.864 439.888 438.88 439.69 Okay , yep . 439.36 439.69 ES2003b C MEE012 2 439.808 464.128 439.83 464.09 So we have the three birds , we have the design , that we have the the fancy bit , right , the voice recognition's fancy , it's cool , it's different , it's radical , so , and then we have an extra bit I don't remember so I'm pretty sure people will buy the remote , but is it practical to have a voice recognition system in a remote control , I think is a big question . Um , will people 440.76 442.38 445.43 445.65 447.04 447.81 448.6 449.86 450.6 457.02 460.97 462.81 463.43 ES2003b C MEE012 2 465.456 513.472 465.48 513.43 will people be willing to wait for the the period that it'll take to train the remote , 'cause I think it will the remote will uh get better over time with the same user user , but for the first week or for the first two weeks are you willing to wait , are you willing to have a bad remote control . And uh what if you have visitors come round , they stay the night , they wanna use the T_V_ , they can't use the remote because they speak differently to you . Um , how do you account for regional accents and stuff like that . Uh , will people return the remote control , I think a lot of young people will buy the remote control , if they have the money , you know , so , do our audience have the money , but would they return it after a while because it's not as fast as pressing a button , it's not a practical . So . These are things I think we should consider . I think it's cool , 470.03 475.88 478.87 482.62 485.57 486.21 487.24 490.92 491.11 494.54 495.82 497.57 499.92 500.85 501.14 501.87 503.41 508.21 509.19 510.47 512.53 513.43 ES2003b B MEE009 1 501.735 502.708 501.84 502.64 Mm-hmm . 502.64 ES2003b B MEE009 1 510.273 511.425 510.45 511.3 If you could uh - ES2003b B MEE009 1 512.368 518.752 512.6 518.59 sor if you could speed it up a bit , yeah . If you could uh speed it up a bit please , yeah . Sorry . Cool . 514.43 515.62 517.47 517.8 518.33 518.59 ES2003b C MEE012 2 515.072 515.632 515.23 515.56 I'm sorry ? 515.56 ES2003b C MEE012 2 517.105 519.568 517.28 519.53 Sure . I'm about to end , yeah . I think it's cool 517.61 518.22 518.67 ES2003b C MEE012 2 520.624 523.344 520.64 523.25 but there are definitely some considerations . 523.25 ES2003b B MEE009 1 523.982 526.848 524.05 526.81 Okay . Excellent . Right . Um . 524.9 525.37 526.22 526.81 ES2003b C MEE012 2 523.932 524.96 524.08 524.87 So , yeah . 524.72 524.87 ES2003b B MEE009 1 529.236 540.194 529.26 540.03 Hear from the User Interface Designer now I think might be an idea . Um , you've got your presentation now , is it on the is it ? Okay . 534.24 536.03 537.76 539.45 540.03 ES2003b A MEE011 0 533.191 533.843 533.28 533.77 Okay . 533.77 ES2003b D MEE010 3 535.287 541.125 535.287 540.77 How did where did where did you get all your in information ? 540.77 ES2003b A MEE011 0 537.568 539.266 537.66 539.23 Yeah , it's in the it's in the folder yeah . 538.03 539.23 ES2003b C MEE012 2 541.232 543.664 541.27 543.62 There was uh a website , uh , 543.41 543.62 ES2003b D MEE010 3 542.672 543.223 542.72 543.11 Oh . 543.11 ES2003b B MEE009 1 543.53 549.006 543.53 548.66 Technical functions ? No . Yeah . 547.85 548.2 548.66 ES2003b C MEE012 2 544.816 545.248 544.84 545.21 right here . 545.21 ES2003b D MEE010 3 545.264 545.879 545.28 545.76 Ah , okay . 545.51 545.76 ES2003b C MEE012 2 545.969 551.216 545.969 551.216 G I started making stuff up , then I got an email saying 549.85 ES2003b A MEE011 0 547.664 548.08 547.71 547.86 Mm . 547.86 ES2003b B MEE009 1 556.31 557.072 556.33 556.96 Okay . 556.96 ES2003b A MEE011 0 557.008 575.68 557.36 575.65 Okay , this is a brief run through of the um of the technical functions of the remote . As um is uh the the the presentation is uh already slightly obsolete because I had in mind something that would uh be i be aimed at controlling multiple devices but uh there's still stuff of relevance , so 557.62 562.51 575.41 ES2003b B MEE009 1 575.6 576.928 575.62 576.88 Okay . 576.88 ES2003b A MEE011 0 576.928 588.368 576.95 588.18 press on . I've looked at looked at a num uh couple of other uh remote control models just for an idea of basic design principles . Um 577.98 587.71 ES2003b A MEE011 0 589.552 598.048 589.57 598.0 and wasn't really satisfied by what I saw I have to say so this is more sort of springboard for uh how these could be improved on . 598.0 ES2003b A MEE011 0 599.12 650.48 599.12 650.48 Um um basically the job of the device is to send commands to an appliance , in this case the television set . Um to save you getting off your backside . Um and there's two main trends in th in the sort of design practice . On the one hand and this uh this particularly relates to its sort of earliest models where with you know i so so many buttons on it so about the size of the television set . Um giving you every possible function that the that the device has , the remote control controls . And most of these functions are not going to be used , it creates a rather user unfriendly interface . And on the other hand there's a user focused approach that pares things down to just what what is most likely to get used . Um 605.31 607.11 610.55 616.51 627.48 632.48 634.83 637.96 642.42 649.74 ES2003b A MEE011 0 651.584 679.959 651.88 679.92 With uh a and a and of course there is a certain amount of sort of loss of function here obviously , but mostly that's relatively peripheral functions . And so you go for something that's fairly intuitive to use , and um well f the for the most part for T_V_ remote it's uh tha that would be channel control and volume . Um and if you if you if you are wanting to incorporate uh control of a D_V_ D_V_D_ or uh 657.45 661.03 664.36 672.15 ES2003b A MEE011 0 680.921 688.496 680.921 688.33 V_C_R_ presumably into that then there's a play , pause , stop , rewind , fast-forward , record , so forth . Um . 683.69 684.0 684.41 685.38 686.27 686.73 687.88 688.33 ES2003b A MEE011 0 690.24 717.008 690.26 716.97 My own view is that we should definitely be going for a user focused design . Um but uh the pro I think the problem with a lot of the sort of user focused designs that are about is that they sort of make assumptions in advance about what uh what a given user's going to uh want mo want to do from want it to do most . So , something that's uh 694.3 713.98 715.61 ES2003b A MEE011 0 718.016 729.634 718.016 729.58 something that is more programmable , that uh perh perhaps has the full range of functions available to it but you can then specify yourself what you're most likely to want . 720.99 729.58 ES2003b A MEE011 0 730.592 757.632 730.62 757.6 Um so that those are then immediately accessible through fairly minimal number of controls , um I liked Ebenezer's idea of including a joystick in that and uh possibly a sort of fairly minimal number of sort of function buttons , and have a disp you then have some sort of basic display on it so that if you're um sort of cha changing from different modes for the device it'll tell you just exactly what uh you know each direction of the uh 736.52 744.15 ES2003b A MEE011 0 760.352 791.136 760.37 790.84 of the um joystick's going to do or wha or what each function button's going to do . Um , this is actually a again slightly taking inspiration off of uh games controllers , you know the Playstation control where you have four basic function buttons that are just marked with um distinctive uh geometrical shapes but the and then dependent on what you're doing with it what game and so on um those uh those functions are then sort of further specified . And so it's taking taking the lead from that . 765.65 766.54 771.11 788.26 790.84 ES2003b C MEE012 2 770.896 771.12 770.95 771.08 Mm . 771.08 ES2003b A MEE011 0 792.264 792.771 792.39 792.74 Um . 792.74 ES2003b B MEE009 1 792.204 793.696 792.41 792.98 Okay . Yeah . 792.7 792.98 ES2003b A MEE011 0 793.627 796.049 793.627 795.93 That's it . 795.93 ES2003b B MEE009 1 794.832 801.456 795.04 801.32 Right . Um , if we could hear from our Industrial engineer , or Designer . 795.76 797.96 800.14 801.32 ES2003b D MEE010 3 800.352 801.134 800.37 801.0 Yeah . 801.0 ES2003b D MEE010 3 801.632 806.0 801.68 805.93 Uh , I was still working on stuff , I hadn't got it finished . Um , alright . 802.08 803.1 804.42 805.37 805.93 ES2003b D MEE010 3 807.04 810.048 807.14 809.98 Click to save in where do I have to save it ? 809.98 ES2003b B MEE009 1 809.984 818.736 810.1 818.65 If you look on the desktop you'll find that there's a link to the project folder , or project documents . If you save it in there we can open it up from here . 815.28 816.59 818.65 ES2003b D MEE010 3 823.627 825.888 823.87 825.73 Um , what I've done with it , I'm sorry . 824.62 825.12 825.73 ES2003b D MEE010 3 836.064 836.688 836.13 836.5 Shit . 836.5 ES2003b D MEE010 3 842.99 845.072 843.19 845.072 Um - ES2003b B MEE009 1 855.491 857.28 855.56 857.23 Are you finding it okay or ? 857.23 ES2003b D MEE010 3 857.2 860.56 857.79 860.53 I'm just closing it now . where I've saved it . 859.67 860.53 ES2003b C MEE012 2 861.072 867.952 861.18 867.86 Well like if you go to one , uh whichever one you were working yeah , and you just click file save as . 864.26 866.18 867.86 ES2003b D MEE010 3 864.402 865.896 864.402 865.82 that's it there , yeah . 865.6 865.82 ES2003b D MEE010 3 876.424 877.969 876.52 877.969 Oh right . 877.77 ES2003b B MEE009 1 879.112 879.884 879.22 879.56 Okay . 879.56 ES2003b D MEE010 3 886.096 893.424 886.28 893.39 Uh , right I'm responsible for working design , uh , this is basically the inside going on of the 887.36 889.5 889.79 ES2003b D MEE010 3 894.576 910.752 894.66 910.34 the uh remote control . So we have the energy source , we have the user interface , this this is what I've seen . Uh the sender will push the button , the chip will respond , uh and then the dig digital signal is sent to the T_V_ . So uh 896.0 897.86 899.04 900.7 903.89 905.82 909.49 ES2003b D MEE010 3 911.936 953.296 912.0 953.296 uh , if you go to next slide , you'll see you'll see uh what do we need on the user interface . Do we need uh many buttons , or do we need l many light bulbs that could be easier to uh to realise which appliances are on or not . Um , , or would that take too much power , would we need more um components in there to supply the power ? Um , the joystick is another thing , if we were gonna add that , um , there'd be more components to deal with that . Um , so uh we need to I dunno exactly what 912.11 913.13 918.67 921.53 929.12 930.32 930.32 931.74 936.85 938.73 940.12 942.04 942.72 945.64 947.25 ES2003b B MEE009 1 944.918 945.96 945.25 945.93 Mm-hmm . 945.93 ES2003b D MEE010 3 955.76 969.84 955.78 969.81 That's the design of the the the layout of the uh electronic design , but um obviously there'll be more details once we've decided what we're putting on the user interface . So , that'll be decided , I guess . 961.35 967.27 968.05 969.34 969.81 ES2003b B MEE009 1 966.624 968.08 966.96 967.54 Okay . 967.54 ES2003b D MEE010 3 971.584 973.424 971.584 973.2 Uh , and the next slide . 972.26 973.2 ES2003b D MEE010 3 974.448 975.232 974.47 975.232 Oh , yeah 974.72 ES2003b D MEE010 3 976.896 986.48 977.09 986.48 Um , if you go to the next slide then . I just used the it was a mess , uh I was just putting adding it together at the end there . Uh 978.04 979.51 982.26 985.83 ES2003b B MEE009 1 978.903 979.902 979.25 979.71 Oh . Yeah . 979.42 979.71 ES2003b B MEE009 1 984.983 987.664 985.51 987.664 Ah , don't worry about it at all mate . 985.74 987.47 ES2003b D MEE010 3 987.071 994.848 987.28 994.78 Uh so you have the energy source obviously connected to the chip , and the user interface obviously contains everything . 991.92 994.78 ES2003b D MEE010 3 994.848 1006.629 995.08 1006.59 You have the switch turn it on , infrared bulb , uh will contact the T_V_ and will have whatever device or D_V_D_ player , the bulb will turn on to say it's on . 996.38 997.8 1004.75 1006.59 ES2003b D MEE010 3 1006.629 1017.664 1007.4 1017.56 Uh , so do we need on the control uh different buttons to decide , or different light bulbs , would it be easier ? Um , I dunno what we should decide on that . 1007.69 1012.33 1013.38 1015.09 1016.25 1017.56 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1018.3 1037.408 1018.35 1037.37 Okay . Well . Oh sorry , I'm I'm interrupting you . Are you is it yeah ? Okay . Right . Um , right we can probably skip that for now . So , we've had some stuff put forward , um 1018.94 1020.04 1020.58 1021.58 1023.88 1024.83 1025.55 1031.95 1033.88 1034.71 1036.49 ES2003b D MEE010 3 1021.712 1022.784 1021.73 1022.74 No , it's finished , yeah . 1021.91 1022.57 1022.74 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1038.528 1041.697 1038.6 1041.04 along with the new user requirements , 1041.04 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1044.976 1049.728 1045.41 1049.69 um we've had a lot of kind of input I'd say so far . Um 1048.95 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1051.04 1111.952 1051.14 1111.89 I hear what the Marketing Expert's saying about um voice activated control . However I've got a couple of worries about that . The power required , um and the ability to the cost , it seems like for uh an embedded system , this could cause us issues . Um for example you see that there's fairly robust services on uh computers via uh via voice , I_B_M_ do um drag and dictate , but these require a lot of memory and usually um state quite advanced processor requirements . Um voice activation could be an interesting idea but I think that our Ind Industrial Designer would probably upon some research say that it's maybe not feasible . Um that's just my view right now , however the idea of a joystick and then maybe an L_C_D_ which has been kind of put forward so far , it's almost like having a small 1057.06 1060.67 1062.11 1065.51 1068.31 1070.28 1077.24 1080.32 1087.92 1101.8 1104.55 1110.43 ES2003b D MEE010 3 1062.561 1065.536 1063.32 1065.39 Cost . Mm . 1063.98 1065.39 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1079.872 1080.176 1079.9 1080.12 Mm-hmm . 1080.12 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1100.56 1101.04 1100.72 1100.96 'Kay . 1100.96 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1103.088 1105.026 1103.18 1105.026 Mm . 1104.6 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1113.408 1124.336 1113.66 1124.29 T_ not T_V_ to say , but if you can control almost all of the functionality from the display , I don't know how much power an L_C_D_ would take , but it might be quite low ? 1115.13 1119.52 1122.46 1124.29 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1122.144 1122.432 1122.19 1122.4 Mm . 1122.4 ES2003b D MEE010 3 1124.32 1130.544 1124.34 1130.544 L_C_D_ on the remote just telling you what's on , or uh , interactive L_C_D_ or 1126.94 1129.36 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1124.256 1124.752 1124.41 1124.752 I uh - ES2003b B MEE009 1 1128.847 1163.2 1128.91 1163.2 Well literally um if you can imagine the display maybe slightly larger than um those on a a mobile phone , something where you can read an an um fair amount of information , traverse maybe quite a few menus , if we maybe used mobile phones as a good example , they usually incorporate they have the keypad , and then evr all the other functionality is usually associated inside by traversing around . That could be one possibility . Um and then we could have like say the common buttons as you say , volume control , changing channels 1138.38 1140.91 1143.1 1145.88 1148.48 1153.46 1155.84 1160.78 1162.18 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1138.325 1139.419 1138.62 1138.99 Mm . 1138.99 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1152.784 1153.056 1152.82 1153.02 Mm-hmm . 1153.02 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1160.175 1161.036 1160.62 1160.87 Mm . 1160.87 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1163.312 1172.112 1163.312 1172.08 I I was thinking that the remote the um sort of default functions for the joystick would be up and down for uh volume , left and right for channels . 1170.83 1172.08 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1173.168 1173.933 1173.4 1173.933 We - ES2003b D MEE010 3 1172.985 1183.056 1173.47 1182.74 Do you think that people will get mixed up , like , they'll be looking at this screen and that screen and then , you know , trying to get everything working , would it be a bit confusing ? 1175.18 1175.98 1178.99 1179.3 1181.66 1182.74 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1183.008 1192.976 1183.07 1192.94 Um I think probably for the first couple of hours of using it um but you know muscle memory's a wonderful thing , um . 1192.39 1192.94 ES2003b D MEE010 3 1187.952 1188.242 1187.97 1188.19 Yeah . 1188.19 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1193.792 1194.048 1193.87 1194.01 Mm . 1194.01 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1194.224 1200.928 1194.24 1200.86 And I think and I think that size of uh display was about what I had in mind . Um though 1199.54 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1201.936 1217.616 1201.96 1217.54 I mean I w I would say that uh we could probably probably be required to um mo most of the mobile phone displays you see these days are colour but we should probably try to stick to black and white . Si si simply to keep m keep the unit cost down . 1214.67 1217.54 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1213.476 1216.73 1213.476 1215.41 I would agree with you . 1215.41 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1218.123 1233.181 1218.14 1232.85 Um I mean colour could be a sort of subsequent development but uh you know cost a bit of extra money f w w w w w once everyone's got the first , you know , oh colour's out , we'll have to replace it won't we . It does nothing extra . 1228.86 1229.22 1229.88 1231.73 1232.85 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1230.24 1241.76 1230.27 1241.69 Mm-hmm . That would be my feeling as well , I think we could possibly create quite a useful user interface . Um now I mean I don't sorry , go for it . 1233.46 1234.89 1238.74 1240.66 1241.69 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1239.189 1264.384 1239.21 1264.35 Sure but the idea of a remote with a menu or and a joystick I think like I h if I was in the habit of buying remote controls then I would want one , but I think we don't have a specific audience , you know , like what is our target audience , what niche are niche are we trying to market and corner . You know , you know what I'm saying , like , for whom is this intended ? Everybody ? 1250.5 1253.99 1254.66 1256.21 1260.3 1260.75 1261.56 1262.53 1263.73 1264.35 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1268.224 1291.664 1268.224 1291.59 I think it could probably be aimed at most people who've used a mobile . And that might be just another way of saying try to target most people . Um , if we are if we were to follow that avenue , we might be s you know um we're kind of almost relying on their experience with a mobile phone I suppose . But that does cover a very large section of the people out there . 1273.34 1277.58 1278.56 1282.01 1288.23 1291.59 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1276.624 1277.501 1276.64 1277.41 Most people , yeah . 1277.23 1277.41 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1277.399 1278.569 1277.76 1278.15 Mm . 1278.15 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1287.696 1288.0 1287.74 1287.95 Mm-hmm . 1287.95 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1291.584 1293.878 1291.61 1293.54 Sure . I think that's fair yeah . 1291.92 1293.54 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1293.104 1353.216 1293.13 1353.17 Um , I mean I imagine as well that the actual L_C_D_ and maybe to a certain extent the joystick as well would be for the additional functionality . Which maybe doesn't get used as often , maybe it makes it easy for them to figure out how to um change the channels as in the frequencies and such for reprogramming it . Um and you can still have the main buttons that allow the people to turn the machine on and off , d up and down , it depends , I mean maybe we have the fol um the joystick as a separate one for the other functions then , that there's just a a small number of as you were saying uh buttons that have already been defined . So like we go for the nice standard um up and down for and volume control . So that literally anybody can come along , pick up the remote and still know what do do . And they can completely ignore most of the functionality which would be for say the o actual owner of the the T_V_ and who would normally use the unit . I dunno . 1294.4 1303.37 1305.08 1314.68 1319.98 1321.21 1322.05 1326.3 1333.13 1338.53 1340.62 1342.74 1352.71 1353.17 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1292.984 1293.808 1293.26 1293.71 Mm . 1293.71 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1314.032 1314.336 1314.05 1314.29 Mm-hmm . 1314.29 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1332.096 1332.368 1332.12 1332.31 Mm-hmm . 1332.31 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1342.848 1343.184 1342.88 1343.12 Mm-hmm . 1343.12 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1352.24 1352.56 1352.27 1352.51 Mm-hmm . 1352.51 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1352.48 1368.752 1352.52 1368.72 Mm . I th the thing I like about the uh the uh joystick is that uh you you you then basically you can then basically put it I mean for for T_ T_ for T_V_ remote alone , you could put 1355.5 1368.19 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1369.824 1379.68 1369.84 1379.65 um I mean there are like I say the the the main things people do with a T_V_ remote control is the volume and the channel . You can pack all that onto was onto a single control . Um . 1375.68 1379.15 1379.65 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1378.56 1380.064 1378.6 1380.01 Mm-hmm . 1380.01 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1380.832 1385.168 1380.87 1385.08 But uh but the but then o uh obviously if uh - ES2003b A MEE011 0 1386.4 1410.144 1386.42 1410.144 you know if you i if you wanted to access further functions i you you then get to sort of menu navigation . I mean with things like ch with things like tuning and channels um you know adjusting brightn uh brightness and fiddly things that no one really bothers with , most T_V_s these days actually have menus anyway so this would be a fairly rational way of integra 1392.13 1403.08 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1405.376 1407.657 1406.83 1407.57 Mm-hmm . 1407.57 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1411.28 1416.528 1411.3 1416.49 integrating the uh the remote with the device it's controlling . Um 1415.88 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1417.76 1426.16 1417.76 1426.11 concern about our market . Um , if we are I mean most of the uh 1421.15 1422.12 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1427.152 1457.947 1427.17 1457.91 of the replacement remote market is sort of remote control rationalisation . Um , you've got twenty different devices in your living room , you want one wo y you want one that'll do the job of all of them . Um , if all you're replacing is one of the you know however many remotes you have in your living room , um you know you still need separate remotes for everything else . I just think that uh possibly mm . 1433.67 1434.1 1438.14 1443.89 1444.91 1450.56 1454.34 1457.91 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1436.656 1437.984 1436.68 1437.94 Yeah . Mm-hmm . 1437.7 1437.94 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1443.447 1444.672 1443.71 1444.62 Mm-hmm . 1444.62 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1455.6 1479.984 1455.63 1479.984 Well this is a requirement that we have to stick to I'm afraid , this isn't one that I've just arbitrarily decided on . So um this is this is one of the solid ones that has to be obeyed , for now . So I can understand your point , and I would agree with you , but this is our design spec for now . 'Fraid to say . Um 1458.78 1462.1 1468.32 1470.11 1471.91 1473.37 1477.81 1479.29 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1461.952 1462.596 1462.02 1462.52 Mm . 1462.52 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1468.816 1469.344 1468.85 1469.3 Mm . 1469.3 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1480.288 1487.258 1480.288 1487.22 Does that um would that include um access to say interactive functions on digital or cable ? 1487.22 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1486.719 1487.92 1486.719 1487.88 Yeah . 1487.88 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1489.48 1505.552 1489.5 1505.49 I would say so , yes , because then we have to be able to control the remote boxes , and that is a separate unit . Um I think that it I would say that the design spec we've been with is for the television only for now . And until we hear otherwise we should go with just that . 1490.85 1491.18 1494.48 1497.12 1502.95 1505.49 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1502.736 1503.056 1502.77 1503.02 Mm-hmm . 1503.02 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1503.472 1503.712 1503.49 1503.67 Hmm . 1503.67 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1505.312 1506.736 1505.35 1506.7 Okay , specifically television . 1505.63 1506.7 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1505.674 1506.713 1506.05 1506.38 Okay . 1506.38 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1506.624 1509.996 1506.68 1509.996 Okay . Maybe we'll hear differently , but for now 1507.15 1508.85 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1509.328 1513.648 1509.4 1513.6 So the joystick is just for differentness . 1513.6 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1514.32 1514.688 1514.35 1514.63 Mm . 1514.63 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1514.533 1519.984 1514.55 1519.984 It would be ease of manipulation of certain functions , yes . Um 1517.42 1518.39 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1517.312 1517.618 1517.33 1517.58 Okay . 1517.58 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1518.176 1519.17 1518.21 1519.02 Just a thought . 1519.02 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1520.112 1525.888 1520.112 1525.83 Um maybe then our market should be T_V_ manufacturers , rather than the public . 1525.18 1525.83 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1527.6 1530.048 1527.62 1529.97 Try and sell it t sell it to them to supply with - ES2003b A MEE011 0 1531.792 1532.703 1531.83 1532.703 um - ES2003b B MEE009 1 1531.951 1544.832 1532.0 1544.35 There is that possibility , yes . B However I don't know exactly where we'll be going with that , but it might not even be the avenue of the Marketing Expert , that might be sales , who are not in this meeting . 1533.12 1533.95 1536.91 1540.0 1542.38 1544.35 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1537.056 1538.872 1537.16 1538.872 Mm . 1538.45 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1542.096 1542.384 1542.12 1542.31 Mm-hmm . 1542.31 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1543.696 1567.808 1543.72 1567.808 It's just , the way I figure it , twelve point five Euros per unit , we have to sell at least like three million or something like that , not to account for all the the money we waste on remotes that no one buys , you know , like if we made a perf if we made a ks for every remote we made someone bought it , then we have to sell a lot of remote controls . We just 1544.78 1545.99 1550.31 1554.27 1558.87 1559.33 1565.2 1567.23 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1549.552 1550.384 1549.6 1550.31 Mm-hmm . 1550.31 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1562.656 1563.52 1562.69 1563.46 Mm-hmm . 1563.46 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1569.488 1571.44 1569.51 1571.41 Is this gonna be enough to to sell ? 1571.41 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1572.749 1590.288 1572.78 1590.22 Well , something else that you brought up was uh the ability to lose a remote , which as you said you've done , in fact we've probably all done . Um , I don't know if it's a gimmick or not , but have any of you ever seen those odd little key rings where if you whistle , it will beep and you tell you where it is . 1573.03 1576.87 1579.0 1581.3 1582.38 1584.0 1588.05 1590.22 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1580.512 1580.8 1580.53 1580.77 Yeah . 1580.77 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1590.208 1597.344 1590.23 1597.31 I had one of those , and my brother , and my dad , could have beat me up because it it went off all the time accidentally . 1591.18 1592.13 1593.09 1597.31 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1590.156 1592.396 1590.44 1592.01 Mm , yeah , I've seen them . 1591.12 1591.37 1592.01 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1592.544 1593.152 1592.56 1593.12 Um . 1593.12 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1597.312 1603.392 1597.49 1603.392 Well the other option of course is that um the well I was going to say clapping , um 1602.76 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1599.44 1600.962 1599.46 1600.962 The clapping one . 1600.47 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1605.232 1658.23 1605.97 1658.17 Um digital telephones , uh for example , one unit has of course you have to have that base unit , somewhere where there's a button , but maybe it's a button that you attach to the T_V_ . Something which you when you press that , it would beep to give its location away , on the remote unit . And that could be something could um separate us a bit . And that way , because we're attaching what would be a small button to the T_V_ , again say what , it would be a small transmitter , um watch battery type scenario I would say , or something that if it was problems enough you could actually even just um I don't power that might be something that we could look into . Yep . Yeah , it's uh putting a lot on your shoulders there , so I mean that could be something that separates us a bit from the market as well . 1609.06 1610.1 1613.1 1614.15 1617.59 1620.16 1622.0 1623.65 1627.86 1628.89 1632.71 1633.69 1636.09 1640.0 1652.76 1653.59 1653.74 1655.08 1658.17 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1616.416 1617.53 1616.44 1617.53 To a television . 1617.37 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1616.573 1617.248 1616.81 1617.19 Mm . 1617.19 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1623.088 1623.648 1623.33 1623.54 Yeah . 1623.54 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1623.325 1625.008 1623.85 1624.91 Yeah , I think that's a good idea . 1624.07 1624.91 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1625.712 1626.48 1625.73 1626.45 Yeah , that's a good idea . 1625.9 1626.45 ES2003b D MEE010 3 1652.112 1653.046 1652.19 1653.046 Yeah - ES2003b C MEE012 2 1656.238 1658.56 1656.238 1658.53 I think so , yeah . 1658.22 1658.53 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1661.079 1662.064 1661.1 1661.89 So . 1661.89 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1663.248 1675.28 1663.4 1675.22 To go on from here . Um we have to decide exactly what we're going to do with the remote . Before we leave this meeting , it would be best to say this is what we're going this is the design we're gonna try and get , this is how we're gonna make ourselves look unique . 1664.53 1668.65 1669.54 1673.41 1675.22 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1678.566 1694.512 1678.59 1694.41 Do we go for maybe a remote contro uh sorry , we're gonna go for a remote control obviously , do we go for a small joystick that would operate say changing channels , up and down , and then , what , another button that would say that it's now being used to manoeuvre round the L_C_D_ . 1681.94 1683.75 1688.67 1689.39 1690.06 1690.27 1694.41 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1678.657 1679.615 1679.04 1679.23 Mm . 1679.23 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1695.328 1696.256 1695.42 1696.21 Mm yeah . 1696.21 ES2003b D MEE010 3 1697.648 1701.808 1697.67 1701.77 We're just saying volume . Should volume be important in the joystick , do you think ? 1699.28 1701.07 1701.77 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1697.439 1698.928 1697.77 1698.928 Yeah , I think that's 1698.13 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1701.648 1708.144 1702.02 1708.144 We could use say the left and right for changing channels and the up and down for volume , and 1707.7 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1702.079 1703.549 1702.36 1703.07 Yeah . 1703.07 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1706.272 1707.022 1706.32 1706.89 For volume . 1706.89 ES2003b D MEE010 3 1707.296 1707.488 1707.32 1707.45 Yep . 1707.45 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1707.568 1729.28 1707.59 1729.21 But we have a frequency of how what people use a remote control for most . Um , power is used like once per hour , channel selection is used a hundred and sixty eight per hour , that's by far the biggest one , and then teletext , is still here , that's like fourteen , and volume selection . 1713.27 1714.41 1717.12 1720.83 1723.48 1724.8 1726.05 1728.25 1729.21 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1713.206 1714.112 1713.26 1713.92 Okay . 1713.92 ES2003b D MEE010 3 1714.21 1714.919 1714.53 1714.67 I - ES2003b B MEE009 1 1719.968 1720.896 1720.02 1720.72 Mm-hmm . 1720.72 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1727.6 1728.256 1727.62 1728.19 Vol - ES2003b B MEE009 1 1729.28 1735.728 1729.37 1735.728 Volume selection okay , yep , the teletext we're gambling with , and we're gonna say it's dead , the way of the dodo 1730.34 1730.81 1732.26 1734.43 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1733.12 1734.806 1733.14 1734.67 No , yeah , okay okay . 1733.49 1734.07 1734.67 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1735.648 1737.409 1735.71 1737.409 Yeah , um 1735.91 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1736.928 1755.04 1737.1 1754.92 So we well , sorry , we could maybe even go as far as saying power button , small joystick , L_C_D_ , and then what maybe is it one more button to say that you're using the menu system , and with the possibility of pushing down on the joystick to say okay ? 1738.38 1738.7 1742.73 1743.94 1745.62 1751.24 1754.92 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1756.096 1763.136 1756.15 1762.98 So we're having very very few buttons involved , but navigation around a menu for most things . 1760.23 1762.98 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1759.904 1760.737 1760.08 1760.737 Actually how - ES2003b A MEE011 0 1763.056 1786.4 1763.56 1786.37 Actually I would say maybe two two function buttons , the y we're now using the menus button and um and an og and an okay button . I mean certainly something I've found with the joystick on mo the joysticks on mobile phones is that a lot of the time th the device mistakes you trying to move it in one direction or the other for pushing down for okay . 1767.09 1773.43 1786.37 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1773.392 1774.016 1773.47 1773.91 Okay . 1773.91 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1786.656 1788.064 1786.76 1787.2 Okay . 1787.2 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1786.803 1789.408 1786.89 1789.37 Or vice versa . And that's really irritating . 1787.97 1789.37 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1789.328 1789.664 1789.35 1789.59 Mm-hmm . 1789.59 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1789.696 1792.896 1789.696 1792.896 Um - ES2003b A MEE011 0 1790.976 1808.912 1790.976 1808.88 The o the o the other dis design constraint I think we should bear in mind is that people are you know very much used to using a remote control one handedly , um , so we need to make sure that e even with the joystick , you know something that can just sit comfortably in the palm of the hand and have the joystick just controlled by the thumb . 1799.84 1800.43 1803.56 1808.88 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1808.848 1821.632 1809.58 1821.43 Okay . So um we're actually that sounds like a rough idea . Do we incorporate the idea of trying to f locate the remote control again via a beeping noise ? 1811.22 1815.62 1821.43 ES2003b D MEE010 3 1822.016 1822.928 1822.04 1822.89 Yeah , think so . 1822.47 1822.89 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1823.062 1824.504 1823.062 1824.26 Do you mind looking ? 1824.26 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1823.216 1831.091 1823.24 1831.091 Um , I think because it's so small it might be an uh I mean if we only have like two three buttons it might be essential to have to have that 1823.56 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1829.915 1849.6 1830.46 1849.49 The ability to locate it again . So that would require a um transmitter maybe attached to the T_V_ , just so that it says find me , and what , a basically a small microphone um on the actual unit , can maybe hide it in the base . Sorry ? 1833.49 1838.71 1840.9 1842.51 1846.89 1849.22 1849.49 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1831.744 1833.36 1831.79 1833.22 Yeah . 1833.22 ES2003b D MEE010 3 1847.042 1848.928 1847.75 1848.85 Light bulb as well , no ? 1848.63 1848.85 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1848.321 1850.944 1848.34 1850.91 Oh . So so a small speaker you mean . 1849.4 1850.91 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1850.96 1852.672 1850.98 1852.3 Speaker yeah . 1852.3 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1850.801 1852.768 1851.16 1852.61 Some speaker , sorry , yeah . 1851.81 1852.04 1852.61 ES2003b D MEE010 3 1852.784 1855.024 1852.8 1854.98 And a light bulb ? No . To flash . No . 1853.56 1854.14 1854.74 1854.98 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1855.168 1856.672 1855.75 1856.672 Um - ES2003b D MEE010 3 1856.624 1858.576 1856.65 1858.54 Nah , you'd see it anyway , if you hear it . 1856.84 1857.77 1858.54 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1857.931 1863.388 1857.931 1863.13 E us we might be better with the sound possibly we could maybe incorporate - ES2003b C MEE012 2 1861.541 1865.264 1861.91 1865.264 W those little key-rings have both , so 1864.78 ES2003b D MEE010 3 1861.683 1862.424 1861.91 1862.3 Yeah . 1862.3 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1864.832 1872.496 1864.85 1872.35 th e the true fact , considering the cost of an L_E_D_ , we could just incorporate it anyway . The L_E_D_s can be surprisingly bright now . 1866.88 1868.69 1870.32 1872.35 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1868.608 1868.88 1868.64 1868.85 Yeah . 1868.85 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1870.272 1870.812 1870.3 1870.68 Yeah . 1870.68 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1872.48 1872.768 1872.5 1872.73 Yeah . 1872.73 ES2003b D MEE010 3 1872.656 1873.136 1872.68 1872.89 Mm-hmm . 1872.89 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1873.456 1877.059 1873.49 1876.96 Mm-hmm . Blue ones particularly . Plus that's a nice wee design touch . 1873.9 1875.35 1876.96 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1873.728 1874.736 1873.81 1874.67 Um . 1874.67 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1876.352 1890.32 1876.352 1890.28 So by the sounds of it , with what we're suggesting so far , your design um the user interface is still quite open , you could go for quite an interesting design . Because we're only going to have a very few key and you've got 1878.84 1880.38 1885.44 1888.09 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1877.168 1877.664 1877.24 1877.53 Yeah . 1877.53 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1888.144 1888.62 1888.16 1888.53 Mm-hmm . 1888.53 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1891.552 1915.632 1891.64 1914.74 you know a small L_C_D_ , joystick , e I think it leaves you open to a a potential wide range of shapes , something that can make it stand out slightly . Um if you could look into what we've suggested so far , the feasibility of um small transmitter , um and such , maybe if an L_C_D_ screen requires too much power , or such . 1893.22 1894.76 1898.13 1901.14 1904.52 1908.27 1910.11 1913.3 1914.74 ES2003b A MEE011 0 1899.488 1900.016 1899.51 1899.89 Mm-hmm . 1899.89 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1916.64 1920.288 1916.66 1920.288 Ebenezer , um , Marketing Expert 1917.79 1919.22 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1918.191 1932.432 1918.191 1931.86 Well I can give you the frequency , what people what options people use most often , I guess that's gonna be important in the ts defining the the software side of the interface , right . You want the stuff . 1922.97 1925.8 1930.38 1931.23 1931.86 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1931.09 1949.296 1931.29 1949.21 If , yeah if you could maybe as well see what people think about the idea of this minimalist approach that we've taken , where of a joystick to control the very basic functions , and then the idea of manipulating it like you would a mobile . I don't know how easy that will be within the time frame , but could be something we could maybe look into . 1932.23 1937.47 1941.36 1945.23 1947.34 1949.21 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1940.976 1941.28 1941.0 1941.24 Okay . 1941.24 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1944.912 1945.28 1944.93 1945.23 Okay . 1945.23 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1947.672 1948.273 1947.86 1948.1 Mm-hmm . 1948.1 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1949.216 1950.688 1949.25 1950.6 Sure . Sure . 1950.34 1950.6 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1951.312 1960.24 1951.37 1960.21 Okay . Um any last comments that anybody would like to put forward ? Anything that they think has been missed out . Bit of a wide open question there of course . 1952.31 1955.3 1958.44 1960.21 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1963.056 1963.44 1963.16 1963.37 Mm . 1963.37 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1966.4 1972.896 1967.0 1972.7 Feel free to email me if you think that uh we've screwed something up and wanna get it rectified as soon as possible . 1972.7 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1972.816 1973.312 1973.06 1973.15 Sure . 1973.15 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1974.56 1975.472 1974.6 1975.38 'Kay . Yeah . 1975.18 1975.38 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1974.144 1975.856 1974.61 1975.25 Right . 1975.25 ES2003b D MEE010 3 1975.408 1981.202 1975.74 1981.202 So I should just look at um the speaker , the speaker and an L_E_D_ . And 1978.76 1980.76 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1980.192 1983.44 1980.78 1983.33 Speaker and L_E_D_ for locating , um , 1982.8 1983.33 ES2003b D MEE010 3 1982.739 1984.96 1982.98 1984.85 Yeah , and a transmitter . 1983.98 1984.85 ES2003b C MEE012 2 1983.36 1984.343 1983.38 1984.11 Transmitter . 1984.11 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1985.024 1986.304 1985.15 1986.304 transmitter - ES2003b A MEE011 0 1986.224 1998.56 1986.31 1998.51 Actually one one wee thought about that . Um , if we do end up trying to market this to television manufacturers then the um then the transmitter could actually be built into the television . 1988.86 1990.27 1998.51 ES2003b B MEE009 1 1999.566 2002.928 1999.566 2002.87 getting the external power source , yep , that's quite true . 2001.31 2001.63 2002.87 ES2003b B MEE009 1 2004.144 2021.152 2004.28 2020.98 Um , and something that we can can easily be adopted at the last minute as well I'd say . The electronics could be s either placed externally or internally , makes no difference to the final product of the actual remote control , so that's good . Uses maybe gives us a new potential market . 2005.71 2010.82 2014.55 2017.47 2018.75 2020.98 ES2003b A MEE011 0 2010.688 2011.099 2010.71 2011.02 Yeah . 2011.02 ES2003b A MEE011 0 2015.136 2015.492 2015.17 2015.44 Mm-hmm . 2015.44 ES2003b A MEE011 0 2024.4 2024.816 2024.42 2024.71 Mm-hmm . 2024.71 ES2003b B MEE009 1 2025.327 2026.528 2025.7 2026.28 'Kay . 2026.28 ES2003b A MEE011 0 2026.116 2036.944 2026.116 2036.91 You know I think I mean if it w if we get a major television manufacturer to say y oh yeah we'll have that , save us the bother , then that's you know vast amounts of sales . Quite quickly . 2030.66 2032.54 2036.17 2036.91 ES2003b D MEE010 3 2026.276 2027.172 2026.57 2026.91 P - ES2003b B MEE009 1 2037.714 2051.44 2037.74 2051.44 Oh , one thing that we've almost not talked about at all , my apologies for that , um , user interface , we also need to maybe get the slogan in here , um it's , I'm pointing at my laptop , what in God 2038.51 2040.71 2042.23 2042.53 2044.01 2046.31 2048.13 2049.72 ES2003b D MEE010 3 2047.536 2048.192 2047.56 2047.98 Fashion . 2047.98 ES2003b B MEE009 1 2053.088 2056.608 2053.22 2056.608 Real reaction , and such . So um 2055.0 2055.62 ES2003b D MEE010 3 2057.08 2061.296 2057.23 2061.22 The slogan is yeah , the slogan's we put the fashion in electronics , isn't it ? 2058.47 2060.56 2061.22 ES2003b B MEE009 1 2058.24 2058.953 2058.33 2058.84 Oh , sorry . 2058.42 2058.84 ES2003b B MEE009 1 2061.56 2078.496 2061.66 2078.45 My apologies . No it could well be , I've probably missed that . Um , I think that's l almost the last minute thing we can just incorporate into the actual plastic on top . So I'm not too concerned a that we haven't gone into depth about that . But it might be something you could consider when you're thinking about shapes ? 2062.35 2063.23 2064.53 2065.88 2071.08 2075.91 2078.45 ES2003b D MEE010 3 2065.435 2066.637 2065.58 2066.59 'S also look cool . 2066.59 ES2003b A MEE011 0 2070.845 2071.859 2071.21 2071.75 Mm . 2071.75 ES2003b B MEE009 1 2079.888 2088.352 2079.98 2088.06 In fact we might like to put a slogan on , and um possibly the two R_s to signify the company . Rather than real reaction . 2081.75 2086.87 2088.06 ES2003b A MEE011 0 2080.179 2080.977 2080.4 2080.9 Mm-hmm . 2080.9 ES2003b A MEE011 0 2083.552 2083.872 2083.57 2083.84 Mm-hmm . 2083.84 ES2003b A MEE011 0 2087.315 2095.17 2087.55 2094.81 Mm . Yeah . I thought the uh the d the double arc could perhaps uh be the uh the enter button . 2088.28 2088.59 2094.81 ES2003b B MEE009 1 2095.809 2100.48 2095.91 2100.45 Sounds good . And I'd say that that's us for now . Okay . 2097.39 2099.82 2100.45 ES2003b A MEE011 0 2097.596 2098.737 2097.596 2098.737 . 2098.737 ES2003c B MEE009 1 10.128 35.28 10.128 35.18 Alright , yeah . crack on . Okay so we'll start off with a quick overview of the minutes . I think to sum up the last meeting , would be to say um the requirements that we've um set out . Those are we were going to go for what seemed to be a fairly minimal design based on uh a small joystick , 12.11 13.27 14.5 19.96 22.66 27.18 35.18 ES2003c B MEE009 1 36.349 59.934 36.349 59.61 L_C_D_ and a couple of other buttons for navigation um with power being I suppose one of the main single purpose buttons . Um we were also going to use novelty of being able to locate the remote control again via a small transmitter with any luck , the idea to try and separate us and also because of the minimal design 48.01 55.75 ES2003c B MEE009 1 59.934 89.584 60.28 89.584 um looks like we'll be able to be fairly adventurous in the actual physical shape of our remote control with any luck . Um that pretty much sums up the last one . So we'll just crack on , um like to maybe start with the Industrial Designer if it's possible . Um uh the con today is the concep today . This uh meeting is the conceptual design phase and is um 68.33 72.06 74.09 79.76 84.2 ES2003c D MEE010 3 79.2 82.995 79.2 82.995 Uh uh okay . I'll just 81.28 ES2003c B MEE009 1 90.672 108.384 90.93 107.84 Sorry about this . . And is to cover things like um what the parts might be made of , um , can we uh outsource these from elsewhere , um will we have to construct any items ourselves ? 95.87 95.87 100.76 102.02 104.58 107.84 ES2003c D MEE010 3 107.968 113.405 107.968 113.27 Uh I have a presentation I just saved it in the uh the folder . 113.27 ES2003c B MEE009 1 111.264 117.504 111.35 117.4 Yeah , okay well I'll just uh I'll load it up then . Um . 111.61 115.34 117.4 ES2003c B MEE009 1 118.688 120.866 118.79 120.62 Which one do y - ES2003c D MEE010 3 119.823 121.568 120.33 121.38 Uh . 121.38 ES2003c B MEE009 1 121.744 127.232 121.8 126.48 Oh , interface concept ? That's you . We've got trend watching , that's you . 122.23 123.78 124.89 125.66 126.48 ES2003c A MEE011 0 123.072 124.071 123.29 124.0 Yeah , that's me . 123.45 124.0 ES2003c C MEE012 2 123.584 124.437 123.75 124.27 Uh . 124.27 ES2003c D MEE010 3 125.332 126.589 125.66 126.589 It's uh - ES2003c D MEE010 3 127.52 128.368 127.54 128.33 Components design . 128.33 ES2003c B MEE009 1 129.104 129.984 129.12 129.84 Components design . 129.84 ES2003c D MEE010 3 130.48 132.0 130.48 132.0 . 132.0 ES2003c B MEE009 1 139.12 140.976 139.27 140.43 Okay . 140.43 ES2003c D MEE010 3 140.384 142.71 140.89 142.71 Alright . So 142.14 ES2003c D MEE010 3 143.302 144.848 143.302 144.79 Uh . 144.79 ES2003c D MEE010 3 146.288 163.696 146.31 163.63 The case uh le that's what I wrote first of all , could be plastic our plastic . Uh but later on we found out that um it can be rubber as well , or titanium or even wood . So uh we decide what it's gonna be . Probably plastic . Uh 149.35 151.66 156.34 159.26 161.78 163.17 ES2003c D MEE010 3 165.136 174.0 165.16 173.97 we need the infra-red transmitter . Get that off the shelf . Uh joystick we'll probably if we're gonna use it , um could be 167.63 168.75 172.77 ES2003c D MEE010 3 174.782 178.626 175.14 178.42 plastic w or rubber even as well . Um 177.79 ES2003c D MEE010 3 179.248 182.067 179.248 182.067 if you go on to the next slide . Uh 181.28 ES2003c D MEE010 3 182.896 188.016 182.896 187.98 If you go on to f uh findings , it's like two or three slides down . 186.5 187.98 ES2003c D MEE010 3 188.949 193.68 189.16 193.59 Right . So , this is what I found we can use . Uh 189.43 190.8 193.18 ES2003c B MEE009 1 188.724 189.907 189.21 189.8 Okay . 189.8 ES2003c D MEE010 3 194.784 197.568 194.82 197.53 three different types of batteries . Um 197.08 ES2003c D MEE010 3 199.033 211.088 199.52 211.01 can either use a hand dynamo , or the kinetic type ones , you know that they use in watches , or else uh a solar powered one . 203.25 206.04 208.31 211.01 ES2003c B MEE009 1 208.07 209.106 208.55 209.0 Okay . 209.0 ES2003c D MEE010 3 212.112 213.28 212.16 213.13 Um . 213.13 ES2003c B MEE009 1 211.456 231.584 212.27 231.53 Now , the kinetic one , we've 'cause that's the ones where like you the movement causes it . Um the bat uh the battery for a a watch wouldn't require a lot of power , would be my one query . Is a kinetic one going to be able to supply enough power ? 213.22 215.11 219.48 224.66 227.36 231.53 ES2003c C MEE012 2 214.928 215.936 214.95 215.936 Cost is - ES2003c D MEE010 3 218.121 218.96 218.121 218.83 Yeah . 218.83 ES2003c C MEE012 2 218.115 218.892 218.3 218.56 Yeah . 218.56 ES2003c A MEE011 0 227.111 228.099 227.38 227.79 Mm . 227.79 ES2003c A MEE011 0 232.608 234.8 232.63 234.77 There's also a watch moves around a great deal more . 234.77 ES2003c B MEE009 1 232.338 233.296 232.72 233.18 Do you think ? 233.18 ES2003c D MEE010 3 232.556 233.632 232.85 233.52 Uh . 233.52 ES2003c C MEE012 2 234.89 236.96 234.89 236.78 Yeah . 236.78 ES2003c B MEE009 1 235.41 236.008 235.6 235.81 W - ES2003c D MEE010 3 235.829 239.28 236.02 239.23 Yeah , I don't think it would . Um . 236.73 238.74 239.23 ES2003c D MEE010 3 241.536 243.952 241.56 243.9 And solar cells , I dunno about that . 242.91 243.9 ES2003c C MEE012 2 243.572 245.376 243.572 245.31 yeah . 245.31 ES2003c D MEE010 3 245.584 246.288 245.79 246.21 Uh . 246.21 ES2003c D MEE010 3 247.968 251.209 247.99 251.15 We should probably just use conventional batteries . 251.15 ES2003c D MEE010 3 252.08 252.846 252.1 252.73 Um , 252.73 ES2003c D MEE010 3 253.575 255.392 253.84 255.36 just like in usual remote controls . 255.36 ES2003c B MEE009 1 255.894 259.824 256.16 259.54 Which I suppose as well would allow us to go off the shelf again , you'd say ? 259.02 259.54 ES2003c D MEE010 3 256.294 256.972 256.45 256.88 Um . 256.88 ES2003c D MEE010 3 259.412 259.872 259.56 259.79 Yeah . 259.79 ES2003c D MEE010 3 261.184 261.987 261.2 261.7 Um . 261.7 ES2003c D MEE010 3 262.337 283.839 262.337 283.839 And these are three different types of or two different types three different types of shapes you can have . Uh one is a flat one , and then more original ones are single curved one or one with a double curved . Um the materials are tha there as you can see , but uh you can't have a titanium one for a double curved , uh which would be 268.25 269.87 275.1 278.38 282.36 ES2003c C MEE012 2 282.752 288.016 282.84 287.76 Titanium , the really strong metal , titanium ? Is it not also it's expensive ? 283.55 285.35 286.24 287.76 ES2003c D MEE010 3 285.304 287.59 285.52 287.36 Yeah , and light . 286.54 287.36 ES2003c D MEE010 3 288.352 294.466 288.37 294.4 Uh , i think so as well , yeah . They make mountain bikes out of that , don't they . So it's really light as well . 288.66 289.63 290.83 292.22 293.1 294.4 ES2003c B MEE009 1 290.96 293.136 290.98 293.02 Um . Um . 292.72 293.02 ES2003c B MEE009 1 294.464 311.291 294.48 310.97 Curious . Um , I don't know if you'd be able to off the top of your head or not , the single curved and double curved , would you be able to give an example ? Um could you maybe draw something ? I you don't doesn't have to be perfect , it's just 'cause I'm not quite sure if I understand the difference between the two . 295.22 295.81 298.03 300.02 302.95 305.46 307.06 310.97 ES2003c D MEE010 3 302.272 303.04 302.3 302.94 Um . 302.94 ES2003c D MEE010 3 303.588 305.712 303.588 305.61 T yeah . 305.61 ES2003c D MEE010 3 310.4 311.344 310.46 311.02 Uh . 311.02 ES2003c D MEE010 3 313.445 314.443 313.76 314.18 Well - ES2003c D MEE010 3 315.52 328.928 315.54 328.89 for a curved , well I was thinking to f for to sit in your the palm of your hand . Uh maybe like this , with the uh joy pad here . Joystick here . And maybe 316.48 322.25 324.54 326.75 328.18 ES2003c D MEE010 3 330.592 331.248 330.63 331.21 um - ES2003c D MEE010 3 333.264 340.256 333.28 340.256 an okay button around here , so that the thumb can uh use it quite easily . Um I don't exactly 334.57 337.88 ES2003c D MEE010 3 341.264 347.856 341.28 347.82 Double curved . It probably means this is probably double curved . Uh whereas a single curved would be 343.14 345.9 ES2003c D MEE010 3 350.817 351.758 351.11 351.63 like that . 351.63 ES2003c D MEE010 3 352.544 353.072 352.58 353.04 I guess . 353.04 ES2003c D MEE010 3 354.592 355.584 354.61 355.49 Or not necessarily . 355.49 ES2003c B MEE009 1 355.901 360.928 356.23 360.68 So it might literally just be okay . 360.68 ES2003c C MEE012 2 357.856 359.024 357.88 358.75 Two curves . 358.75 ES2003c D MEE010 3 360.848 364.144 360.87 364.11 Yeah like that . Whereas this is two curves . Um 361.87 363.6 ES2003c D MEE010 3 365.612 376.752 365.612 376.55 so I guess that's what they mean by uh double curve . Um which obviously it looks better than the single curve , but uh you can't have it in titanium , which is 370.24 373.0 376.13 ES2003c B MEE009 1 367.056 368.055 367.37 367.92 Alright . 367.92 ES2003c D MEE010 3 378.032 378.576 378.06 378.53 uh - ES2003c D MEE010 3 379.936 380.832 379.96 380.8 a nice material . 380.8 ES2003c D MEE010 3 382.786 383.712 382.786 383.68 Uh - ES2003c B MEE009 1 382.88 383.28 383.02 383.21 Mm . 383.21 ES2003c D MEE010 3 384.8 394.272 384.82 394.0 and for the buttons , um it can have the scroll wheel which they use in mouses for com P_C_s . Uh but 386.59 392.79 ES2003c D MEE010 3 395.872 398.768 396.24 398.73 um it requires a - ES2003c D MEE010 3 399.824 408.32 399.84 408.29 more expensive chip to use , and if you wanna use L_C_D_ it's even more expensive . So you have to decide , there's trade-offs there . Um 401.68 404.53 406.17 407.81 ES2003c D MEE010 3 408.981 432.944 408.981 432.86 if you want the buttons to be oh yeah , if you have a double curve uh control and it's rubber , then you have these rubber buttons as well . But you're gonna ha I reckon you're gonna have to have uh key a number keypad anyway for the amount of channels these days . You wouldn't want to just have to scroll through all the channels to get to the one you want . You wanna enter just the number of it , if you know it . So 411.1 414.93 417.88 426.92 430.04 431.83 432.49 ES2003c D MEE010 3 434.032 438.272 434.06 438.16 um I reckon we're gonna have to have a number keypad anyway . 438.16 ES2003c D MEE010 3 439.824 440.512 439.84 440.48 Do you think ? 440.48 ES2003c B MEE009 1 440.953 453.16 441.2 452.98 Okay , that was definitely something we can talk about . Um so you've got a little bit about the the chip that we might require as well ? 441.63 447.45 452.98 ES2003c D MEE010 3 452.592 453.024 452.61 452.98 Yeah . 452.98 ES2003c D MEE010 3 455.008 455.664 455.03 455.63 So , 455.63 ES2003c D MEE010 3 456.88 458.304 457.53 458.27 depends where - ES2003c D MEE010 3 460.56 461.664 460.66 461.63 gonna spend the money - ES2003c D MEE010 3 463.2 465.744 463.22 465.66 if you want the f fancy L_C_D_ display . 465.66 ES2003c B MEE009 1 468.336 479.172 468.42 479.02 Um , do you have any idea so far , like when we're saying that we'd need an advanced chip for an L_C_D_ , does that in shoot the cost up by a drastic amount ? Or ? 469.1 471.65 475.48 478.46 479.02 ES2003c C MEE012 2 478.768 481.792 478.79 481.792 Need an advanced chip for the L_C_D_ . Is that did I 481.18 ES2003c B MEE009 1 481.808 485.552 482.35 485.43 Well I think compared to say just pressing buttons . 485.43 ES2003c D MEE010 3 482.76 483.591 483.01 483.46 Yep . 483.46 ES2003c C MEE012 2 486.0 488.871 486.27 488.78 Advanced , like three eight six advance . 486.75 488.78 ES2003c B MEE009 1 487.104 510.669 487.104 510.21 if you press a button that sends a certain transmission through the infra-red , whereas I think if we're controlling the L_C_D_ we definitely require a much more powerful chip . Just compared to the chip you would use for pushing buttons I think is the the point being made . If I've not over-stepped . Yeah ? Okay , um should I go on , or go back ? 492.81 497.65 502.83 504.52 506.3 506.85 508.26 510.21 ES2003c C MEE012 2 497.127 497.76 497.42 497.72 Okay . 497.72 ES2003c C MEE012 2 501.568 502.642 501.64 502.46 Okay , sure . 502.05 502.46 ES2003c A MEE011 0 502.387 502.978 502.54 502.7 Mm . 502.7 ES2003c D MEE010 3 504.342 505.341 504.57 505.21 Yeah i - ES2003c D MEE010 3 508.733 509.792 509.21 509.792 Um - ES2003c C MEE012 2 512.768 515.088 512.8 514.92 Mm , if we only have twelve Pounds fifty , 513.15 514.92 ES2003c C MEE012 2 516.096 521.728 516.16 521.42 twelve Euros , not even twelve Pounds . Twelve Euros , what's that , like eight pounds or something like that , nine Pounds ? 516.97 518.45 518.96 519.28 520.66 521.42 ES2003c B MEE009 1 522.24 533.056 522.3 532.8 Well we'd also be relying on the um the bulk buying in producement and such . I assume . We have to look into the costs of those . So , sorry . 528.34 529.27 531.48 532.23 532.8 ES2003c C MEE012 2 527.776 529.037 527.8 528.73 Okay , that's good point . 528.04 528.73 ES2003c D MEE010 3 532.448 556.368 532.47 556.33 Uh the previous slides just explain what's in the internal components of the uh remote control . If you go to the one before that uh so it just says what it does , translate the key press into an infra-red signal and this is received by the T_V_ . Uh the chip just needs to detect the signal or detect the key press and then uh it'll send it to the tr the amplifier . 539.64 543.79 548.6 556.33 ES2003c B MEE009 1 556.656 557.77 557.05 557.55 Okay . 557.55 ES2003c D MEE010 3 558.672 563.568 558.87 563.51 And uh then the next slide just shows how the uh copper wires - ES2003c D MEE010 3 564.736 568.864 564.85 568.73 uh interact with the buttons , the rubber buttons , uh 567.46 568.51 ES2003c D MEE010 3 570.282 573.088 570.48 572.98 to uh get sent to the chip . 572.98 ES2003c D MEE010 3 575.478 578.365 575.5 578.16 So that's just how the control works inside . 578.16 ES2003c D MEE010 3 580.392 582.016 580.49 581.97 Um we have to decide on what - ES2003c D MEE010 3 583.136 584.586 583.16 584.23 buttons we're gonna use . 584.23 ES2003c D MEE010 3 586.011 587.024 586.011 587.024 . 587.024 ES2003c B MEE009 1 586.08 588.736 586.45 588.56 Okay . Um . 587.88 588.56 ES2003c B MEE009 1 589.728 591.83 589.728 591.83 . 591.83 ES2003c B MEE009 1 594.934 604.736 595.17 604.59 So in the information that you've been supplied , how feasible would you say that the idea of using an L_C_D_ looks ? 598.53 604.59 ES2003c D MEE010 3 605.296 605.92 605.32 605.92 Um - ES2003c D MEE010 3 607.52 617.44 607.54 617.34 I think we can do it if uh we use conventional batteries and not have solar cells or kinetic . Um and then 614.97 ES2003c D MEE010 3 618.64 622.912 618.66 622.88 maybe use single curved uh case . 622.88 ES2003c D MEE010 3 623.92 626.48 623.94 626.44 Because we might need it to be curved for the uh - ES2003c D MEE010 3 627.394 631.2 627.49 631.17 thumb to use the joyst joystick easily . Um 630.74 ES2003c D MEE010 3 633.264 635.952 633.33 635.92 and then you'll need the advanced chip obviously for the L_C_D_ . 635.92 ES2003c B MEE009 1 638.288 658.72 638.57 658.39 Um I mean that sounds like quite a good requirement to me . Um conventional battery would seem to make sense . Um I'm not sure if there's any cost differences between single and double curved and I'm I don't know about anybody else , but plastic or rubber as a traditional form of casing would seem to be a good way forward ? . 641.47 644.45 651.3 658.39 658.39 ES2003c A MEE011 0 644.382 645.249 644.62 644.92 Mm-hmm . 644.92 ES2003c A MEE011 0 656.672 656.944 656.71 656.9 Mm . 656.9 ES2003c A MEE011 0 658.192 668.029 658.21 667.86 Um I'm actually gonna be bold and go oo go straight for rubber um for reasons I'll go into uh in more detail . 667.86 ES2003c B MEE009 1 665.761 666.544 665.99 666.39 Okay . 666.39 ES2003c C MEE012 2 666.688 669.248 666.85 669.03 I also have a preference for rubber . 669.03 ES2003c B MEE009 1 668.88 670.896 669.34 670.896 Okay , well um 669.74 ES2003c C MEE012 2 670.864 672.48 670.91 672.34 Based on my research . 672.34 ES2003c B MEE009 1 672.944 689.04 672.96 688.55 Yeah , well will we move on to user interface , and yeah ? Um sorry , as long as were you ? Yeah . Okay . Um and d d d interface concept . 673.4 675.66 678.41 679.68 680.84 681.11 683.5 688.55 ES2003c A MEE011 0 677.456 678.4 677.456 678.4 . 678.4 ES2003c A MEE011 0 679.059 679.65 679.24 679.51 Mm . 679.51 ES2003c D MEE010 3 680.206 681.738 680.53 681.67 Yep I'm finished . 681.67 ES2003c A MEE011 0 688.392 695.504 688.45 694.85 Yep . Now I'm gonna have to work between the uh the slides and the uh 688.99 ES2003c B MEE009 1 695.424 696.672 695.5 695.82 Yeah . 695.82 ES2003c A MEE011 0 695.838 700.624 695.838 700.32 and the white board 'cause I actually I have some fairly concrete things - ES2003c A MEE011 0 701.857 704.496 702.15 704.46 this time . Uh um I was given a 703.19 ES2003c A MEE011 0 704.89 730.666 705.22 730.23 an H_T_M_L_ file giving um various ideas from uh from other previous remote control designs , and pretty much decided to just dump them all . I wasn't very impressed by them and they didn't seem to re uh nothing I saw seemed to meet the sorts of design specifications that we're going for today . Um so what I ra rather than looking at other remotes , uh ra oomp be better to simply look at the human hand . 712.15 715.14 723.34 727.16 730.23 ES2003c A MEE011 0 730.666 760.947 731.03 760.89 Um and try and f um and try and figure out a way of laying out the elements we've already decided on , um so that if r a if so that the finger is e each finger or thumb is wherever it needs to be already . Um so uh next slide , if you please . Um and what we've basically decided on was the the um the joy uh the joystick , two function buttons and the L_C_D_ , just keep it paired down to the absolute minimum . 736.92 744.79 748.41 749.84 756.42 758.81 760.89 ES2003c A MEE011 0 760.947 783.344 761.18 783.31 I don't actually think we need the um the numeric keypad because if you m because one of the menus that we could have available um v via via the L_C_D_ is one where you scroll through channels , so if there's something f and be bear in mind since this isn't meant to work for um 777.21 ES2003c C MEE012 2 783.264 784.016 783.264 783.96 digital . 783.96 ES2003c D MEE010 3 784.039 785.556 784.06 785.34 Ah , okay . 784.32 785.34 ES2003c A MEE011 0 784.238 809.084 784.52 808.81 f f f for di for digital or um or for or for cable , whatever , you're basically looking at four or five terrestrial channels , and then um your V_C_ uh and then the channel through your V_C_R_ and or D_V_D_ player . And or um box . So it's not I'm not really excessively concerned about that . 789.52 790.66 794.79 801.38 805.58 808.81 ES2003c A MEE011 0 809.084 837.088 809.42 837.05 You must have two two modes , basic mode , where um the joystick's uh left right left right for channels , up down for volume , um and the uh uh and the menu mode for uh further functions . Um now the reason I was particularly interested in using rubber for this is that if we're going to have a highly ergonomic design , um it needs to be ergonomic for left or right handed people . Um , so you 810.96 812.21 816.22 817.74 824.28 831.78 835.7 836.83 ES2003c B MEE009 1 836.496 842.512 836.67 842.45 Can I just jump in slightly there ? That would suggest the double curved design's probably going to be most appropriate , then . 838.75 841.96 842.45 ES2003c A MEE011 0 838.496 838.816 838.53 838.78 Mm-hmm . 838.78 ES2003c A MEE011 0 842.528 866.096 842.64 866.096 Yes , absolutely . Um , basi basically what I basically what the what be having um , I would say , the the whole thing articulated at two points , so that if you if you're handing it from a lef uh left or right handed user you can adjust it so that the um the L_C_ the L_C_D_ and the uh 842.93 844.29 845.46 852.24 852.73 856.04 ES2003c B MEE009 1 843.552 844.96 843.552 844.66 okay . 844.66 ES2003c A MEE011 0 868.405 871.088 868.405 871.0 The joystick would be in the right place . 871.0 ES2003c A MEE011 0 872.224 885.769 872.25 885.68 And also this is a rather nicer de uh design gimmick that the the um you know the whole thing you know it should have sort of organic feel to it that it should be , you know , soft to touch and 883.54 884.13 ES2003c B MEE009 1 872.21 873.024 872.41 872.99 Mm . 872.99 ES2003c A MEE011 0 886.24 894.912 886.26 894.83 can be moved around all nice . Um okay on to on to the next uh to the next slide . 889.21 894.83 ES2003c B MEE009 1 889.488 891.664 889.65 891.56 Okay . Um , yeah . 890.17 891.38 891.56 ES2003c B MEE009 1 894.368 901.664 894.93 901.27 Just to let you know we'll probably be quite tight for time as well , because I think you've probably got a lot you'd like to say , I guess . 898.24 900.25 901.27 ES2003c A MEE011 0 898.0 898.416 898.02 898.38 Okay . 898.38 ES2003c A MEE011 0 900.928 905.056 900.95 905.056 Yeah , 'kay basically um 901.94 ES2003c A MEE011 0 906.592 911.6 906.74 911.6 I can add pretty pictures to this . The um 910.34 ES2003c A MEE011 0 913.488 944.064 913.98 943.85 Assuming the hand the hand to be in about sort of this position , um hol uh holding the remote , the um the joystick unit should rest over the uh the joint of the f of the uh four finger so that it's directly accessible for the thumb . Um and it would need t there would need to be a it would need to be articulated just below that so that it could be switched around for uh left or right handed users . So . 919.14 922.66 933.44 942.92 943.85 ES2003c A MEE011 0 949.712 968.746 950.71 968.746 You then have a grip section that can be more or less the same irrespective of handedness . You just have big two big buttons that cover most of the area so it can in the upper part , one for the four finger , one for the middle finger . Um , and that 959.04 965.17 966.24 967.78 968.45 ES2003c C MEE012 2 968.144 969.424 968.22 969.34 Is this the joystick ? 969.34 ES2003c A MEE011 0 969.408 998.976 969.8 998.39 Th this part here is the joystick . This would be the actual grip . Probably where you'd want to have the battery as well . That would be probably the bulkiest part . And you then have , at the uh at the bottom , the L_C_D_ , and this would need to be articulated as well . And basically I'd want this to rest here , right at the base of the wrist . So it would fit just nicely in the hand . And again , this part could be 973.41 975.84 979.59 982.31 983.85 986.41 987.49 989.7 991.82 994.08 995.91 997.29 ES2003c C MEE012 2 978.96 979.456 979.07 979.41 Okay . 979.41 ES2003c A MEE011 0 1000.064 1001.872 1000.09 1001.872 rotated , so it can 1001.06 ES2003c A MEE011 0 1007.351 1013.712 1007.351 1013.712 So so so that it can be adjusted to either left or right handed user . Um 1013.14 ES2003c A MEE011 0 1016.921 1042.243 1017.07 1042.12 So the t uh the top function button in basic mode would be the on off switch and menu mode would be the enter button . And then the bottom function buttons switches between between modes . Um now programming it actually thi this is one thing I've found with um the replacement remote control . Programming them can be a right pain . So I thought th the simplest way around that would be to have um 1024.81 1028.52 1035.66 1038.33 ES2003c A MEE011 0 1042.243 1086.128 1042.36 1085.84 a cable to connect it to the computer some some fair iv fairly fairly simple software on the computer just so that you on your computer just so that you could um pr program it at a rather in a rather more comfortable interface . And you could download programs for it from uh for uh T_V_s from all sort of main manufacturers . Um though you i it would be necessary to have uh have a m uh have a ha have a mode for programming it without the computer , uh just in case there are there are still people left out there who don't have them yet . Um . But uh . Yeah . 1057.41 1065.52 1078.22 1082.6 1084.5 1085.46 1085.84 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1082.186 1082.786 1082.48 1082.61 Mm . 1082.61 ES2003c B MEE009 1 1088.672 1090.112 1089.1 1089.74 Okay . 1089.74 ES2003c A MEE011 0 1089.312 1092.032 1089.33 1091.87 That's that's my idea . 1091.87 ES2003c B MEE009 1 1093.073 1100.8 1093.27 1100.66 Excellent , right . Um uh . File open . 1093.6 1094.33 1099.07 1100.66 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1093.178 1093.981 1093.62 1093.76 Mm . 1093.76 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1096.982 1097.833 1097.36 1097.68 'Kay . 1097.68 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1099.443 1100.903 1099.443 1100.6 We go . 1100.6 ES2003c B MEE009 1 1101.952 1103.84 1101.97 1103.71 Trend watching . 1103.71 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1104.895 1106.205 1104.895 1106.01 Okay . 1106.01 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1109.202 1128.656 1109.36 1128.55 So uh to gather my research , two basic methods . We compared uh whether people want the remote control to do a lot of stuff or they want it to look cool . And then we we research uh fashion trends in Europe , what's what's the new black , you know , as it goes . Next slide please . 1111.75 1113.88 1120.55 1123.48 1125.18 1125.62 1127.95 1128.55 ES2003c B MEE009 1 1125.57 1129.776 1125.57 1129.52 Okay . 1129.52 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1129.696 1149.675 1130.02 1149.35 Uh we found , in order of importance , people want the remote control to look cool more than they want it to to be cool . As in they want it to do a lot of good s they want it to look like it does a lot , and if it does do a lot that's a bonus , but they don't care so much , you know . They want it to be that's sounds a bit like a contradiction . 1131.14 1132.66 1137.52 1141.66 1143.27 1144.59 1146.21 1149.35 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1149.675 1175.627 1150.1 1175.627 Technology technical technologically innovative . People want it to be that , but s still they care more about the way it looks than what it does . So like the interface is really important . And easy to use , it it just so happens that uh from the second point to the third point is twice as important I mean the second point is twice as important as the third point . People want it 1155.12 1156.0 1160.43 1163.72 1164.96 1174.69 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1178.01 1197.864 1178.22 1197.69 I is it has to be cooler than easy to use , you know , if it has the newest features , even if it's difficult to use , prefer it to have the newest features . And if it's easy to use that's a bonus . The fashion , now this is seems a bit odd to me , but fruit and veg is the new is the new black for furniture , for clothes , for shoes . 1180.63 1180.83 1182.11 1184.07 1186.78 1189.42 1189.9 1192.2 1195.81 1196.58 1197.69 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1197.864 1218.144 1198.43 1218.11 How that relates to a remote control I don't know . But I I see I come on to that in the next in the next slide . Spongy . I've als I've been saying everything's the new black . Well spongy's the new black as well . So we have the choice between rubber and plastic . If it's the type of rubber that you can squeeze , you know , it's spongy , then can I skip the rest ? 1201.02 1205.1 1205.97 1207.79 1209.56 1212.32 1214.62 1215.01 1216.33 1218.11 ES2003c D MEE010 3 1217.056 1226.432 1217.056 1226.27 Oh yeah , I forgot to mention that . The uh rubber material is the type of stress ball material , not just normal rubber . Forgot to say that . 1217.43 1218.52 1223.43 1225.59 1226.27 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1222.928 1223.712 1223.32 1223.68 Okay . 1223.68 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1225.232 1233.616 1225.25 1233.51 Okay , so kinda spongy material . So um so my personal opinion ? 1225.66 1229.02 1233.51 ES2003c B MEE009 1 1229.328 1230.528 1229.46 1229.83 Okay . 1229.83 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1234.688 1258.118 1234.688 1258.02 Um we want something fancy and techni technologically innovative , obviously . But what we what we need is something that looks like it's from the future that looks cool , that's that's different , you know , that's everyone has a white remote control , black remote control , you need something cool . Like , titanium is cool but it's expensive . And maybe it's a bit of overkill for a remote control . 1239.93 1240.92 1245.44 1246.67 1247.04 1249.21 1250.11 1251.82 1252.25 1254.57 1258.02 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1258.118 1284.417 1258.59 1283.95 Um now the fruit and veg options , either we we go in that direction or we stay totally away from it . Um I mean the research did come up with fruit and veg , so maybe it is important for it's the up to the interface guy . So if we stay away from it , s you know stay away from it , but if we're gonna go along with it then it doesn't necessarily have to be like an apple or something like that , or a kiwi fruit . It could be something like , 1261.49 1265.16 1268.07 1271.93 1273.07 1274.96 1281.19 1282.84 1283.95 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1284.417 1300.416 1284.54 1300.416 I say potato peeler but I'm sure you guys have a have a much cooler idea than I do . So I think cool is the key . Few questions about a spongy remote control . I've never seen one before . I've seen plastic remote controls . I think maybe they were 1290.06 1292.77 1296.17 1297.2 1299.35 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1302.256 1307.024 1302.47 1306.92 I don't know , back in the day when they first came up with remote controls , they had a reason for it being 1303.0 1305.68 ES2003c B MEE009 1 1307.52 1308.384 1307.55 1308.03 Mm-hmm . 1308.03 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1308.72 1335.493 1308.74 1335.39 sturdy , you know . For being strong and sturdy . So um if we want something strong and sturdy , I say stay with plastic or titanium , but if we go with spongy , we can stress that you can drop this as many times as you want , it doesn't matter , it's spongy material , it's not gonna break , you know . I just don't know how the L_E_D_ and the lights are gonna fit into a spongy material because it's not gonna be completely squeezable . So how do things fit it ? 1309.44 1310.35 1311.98 1314.63 1317.22 1319.61 1322.34 1322.82 1323.59 1324.34 1325.48 1334.0 1335.39 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1335.493 1368.944 1335.68 1368.8 And if we are gonna use spongy , we can say it's long lasting , you know it's damage resistant and stuff like that , so . So just to summarise , people want stuff that's cool , that's that looks like it's cool , and if it is cool then that's a bonus doesn't have to be um people like fruit and veg . We can either go down that alley or stay totally away from it . People like spongy material . If we're gonna use spongy material we have to think of how practical it is , and how we can further promote that idea . And also , this was this year . 1336.77 1338.76 1343.06 1344.35 1345.5 1347.52 1350.29 1356.16 1360.04 1361.15 1364.39 1367.07 1367.54 1368.8 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1368.944 1382.288 1369.47 1382.25 So , things change all the time , every year you know they they always talk about this year , this is the new black . Well next year something else is gonna be the new black and we're stuck with last year's fruit and veg type stuff . 'Kay . 1369.86 1371.64 1374.48 1375.63 1381.99 1382.25 ES2003c B MEE009 1 1377.076 1377.835 1377.2 1377.53 Mm-hmm . 1377.53 ES2003c B MEE009 1 1382.208 1383.008 1382.3 1382.74 Okay . 1382.74 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1383.36 1384.359 1383.46 1384.07 That's me . 1384.07 ES2003c B MEE009 1 1386.712 1401.616 1387.56 1401.53 Well , um I would say that the most you could probably hope for is gaining a year's lead on most people anyway . You always have to bring out new designs , so if we can get next year then that's possibly a good place to start anyway . Um . 1388.14 1393.36 1395.01 1400.77 1401.53 ES2003c A MEE011 0 1400.384 1400.784 1400.4 1400.74 Mm-hmm . 1400.74 ES2003c B MEE009 1 1408.304 1440.272 1408.39 1440.272 Seems like a a lot of the components could be off the shelf , so I don't exactly what cost would be incurred . Um I can see your point about the number keypad , but I've I would say that we can probably incorporate it into the menu system if you need to do traversal of a large number of channels . My feeling would be that even if at a later date this was to be taking control of um boxes as well um having the use of the L_C_D_ and the joystick would probably allow you to manipulate enough channel numbers for you to be 1411.11 1414.9 1418.42 1427.97 ES2003c D MEE010 3 1423.744 1424.336 1423.744 1424.3 Yeah . 1424.3 ES2003c A MEE011 0 1424.384 1424.902 1424.41 1424.75 Mm-hmm . 1424.75 ES2003c A MEE011 0 1440.141 1458.64 1440.49 1458.56 Yeah , actually if you've got a lot of channels , the number keypad can be quite annoying as well , becau it's you know if you're trying to remember what uh , you know , what number's the discovery channel or whatever . It's just irritating . But if you h but but but if you have a me but if you have a menu structure , then you can sub-group them . 1440.81 1443.58 1446.07 1450.48 1450.85 1452.98 1454.31 1457.38 1458.56 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1452.848 1456.065 1452.848 1455.91 That's a good point . You can incorporate names into the menu . 1453.94 1455.91 ES2003c B MEE009 1 1454.137 1454.721 1454.16 1454.55 Mm-hmm . 1454.55 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1458.832 1464.608 1458.97 1464.54 Okay . Even news , music . Like they do on uh sky digital kinda . Yeah . 1459.57 1460.96 1461.57 1464.34 1464.54 ES2003c A MEE011 0 1459.533 1461.624 1459.57 1461.624 So you - ES2003c B MEE009 1 1459.385 1460.176 1459.74 1460.14 Okay . 1460.14 ES2003c A MEE011 0 1463.808 1464.176 1463.83 1464.14 Yeah . 1464.14 ES2003c B MEE009 1 1465.248 1471.232 1465.56 1471.12 So what it looks like to me is we'll use a large number of standard components , um , 1470.55 1471.12 ES2003c B MEE009 1 1472.224 1481.616 1472.46 1481.616 say something like um lithium ion battery , the kind that you find in most um small hand held devices now . Um 1475.01 1480.78 ES2003c B MEE009 1 1482.752 1500.432 1482.78 1500.36 Looks like we going for a double curved design . Um I don't know what cost implications there are in that . Um , looks like we're pretty much decided on some kind of flexible rubber . Though I'd have to say depending on how flexible it is , we might need to have some kind of inner frame . 1485.53 1488.84 1490.72 1494.43 1497.84 1500.36 ES2003c A MEE011 0 1500.48 1518.768 1500.91 1518.49 Yeah , I I would say definitely , I mean I mean I mean the the idea of having it sort of articulated i th there would be basically two points of articulation . W um one below and one above the m the uh the main sort of grip . 1501.97 1502.89 1513.07 1518.49 ES2003c B MEE009 1 1518.576 1531.232 1519.28 1531.12 Do you think there's any way we could maybe remove the articulation ? I can see why it looks appealing , but it could be a weak point in um the structure , do you think ? That would be a worry of mine . 1523.02 1525.21 1528.56 1529.66 1531.12 ES2003c A MEE011 0 1519.554 1520.384 1519.75 1520.384 So - ES2003c A MEE011 0 1529.696 1532.447 1529.82 1532.06 Mm . 1532.06 ES2003c D MEE010 3 1531.104 1534.832 1531.41 1534.5 If you're going with the fruit and veg thing , looks like a banana . 1533.5 1534.5 ES2003c A MEE011 0 1534.8 1556.581 1534.8 1556.17 I d I don't thi I don't think that it would be a a structural weakness , I mean if you have a firm s sub-structure , you can then incorporate articulation into that . If you then have a sort of outer skin of mm flexible , spongy rubber then you have something that is you know very much you know 1541.15 1544.27 1546.77 1551.59 ES2003c D MEE010 3 1535.386 1538.542 1535.45 1538.542 F if you wanna design it that way . 1537.62 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1535.584 1537.361 1535.584 1537.361 . 1537.361 ES2003c A MEE011 0 1556.581 1570.72 1557.03 1570.69 organic , and I think would look rather co I mean mi rather cool . I mean my drawing there doesn't doesn't do it justice , it makes it makes it look more a little bit more like a vibrator than a than a uh than a remote control , but uh . 1557.97 1561.59 1563.72 1570.15 1570.69 ES2003c B MEE009 1 1570.581 1572.41 1570.71 1572.34 Yeah , we won't add that functionality . 1570.93 1572.34 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1572.121 1573.861 1572.22 1573.57 Okay . Course not . 1572.99 1573.57 ES2003c B MEE009 1 1573.472 1586.864 1573.49 1586.82 However , one interesting point is , I don't know how serious you were there , but we if we take some of the ideas why don't we make the damn thing yellow to incorporate the des the colour of the logo ? 1573.82 1575.42 1578.04 1586.82 ES2003c D MEE010 3 1583.539 1584.829 1583.85 1584.74 Yeah . 1584.74 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1586.992 1588.064 1587.02 1588.02 Sure , yeah . 1587.65 1588.02 ES2003c D MEE010 3 1586.819 1587.681 1587.05 1587.42 Okay . 1587.42 ES2003c B MEE009 1 1588.368 1592.016 1588.51 1592.016 I dunno . It's an certainly a different colour from your average um 1589.04 ES2003c A MEE011 0 1589.349 1590.274 1589.45 1590.01 Mm-hmm . 1590.01 ES2003c A MEE011 0 1593.504 1595.184 1593.52 1595.14 Make it harder to lose , as well . 1594.59 1595.14 ES2003c D MEE010 3 1595.552 1596.176 1595.79 1596.02 Yeah . 1596.02 ES2003c B MEE009 1 1596.184 1599.411 1596.31 1599.411 That's true . Was there anything in your research 1597.89 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1596.32 1596.873 1596.38 1596.74 Sure . 1596.74 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1598.812 1614.144 1598.812 1614.11 The noise for when you lose the banana , um f yeah , for when you lose the remote control , it could be like a a monkey noise or something like that , rather than a standard beep beep . Y you know , you lose the monkey the banana , 1603.89 1604.55 1606.69 1609.39 1611.93 1612.27 1614.11 ES2003c D MEE010 3 1613.354 1616.483 1613.354 1616.28 monkey . 1616.28 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1614.693 1622.144 1614.72 1622.08 y you lose the banana , you press a button , and you hear like monkey screams or something like that to direct you towards the banana . 1616.95 1617.93 1622.08 ES2003c A MEE011 0 1622.128 1629.824 1622.72 1629.77 I th uh I mean if it I think that's something that could perhaps be programmable , though maybe have monkey as default . Um . 1627.1 1629.35 1629.77 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1629.008 1640.0 1629.03 1639.97 S oh , I was gonna talk about the programmable remote control . Now I think it'd be cool if you had one remote control that could work with all T_V_s , you know you s you click a button and it finds the frequency that 1630.22 1633.48 1636.99 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1641.2 1647.744 1641.22 1647.7 works with your particular television . But why you'd need to program it like as as a standard feature , I I don't know . 1643.34 1646.82 1647.7 ES2003c A MEE011 0 1643.024 1643.424 1643.05 1643.38 Mm-hmm . 1643.38 ES2003c A MEE011 0 1647.696 1663.824 1647.8 1663.824 Well basi basically the um for f for uh I mean e each manufacturer will have a partic will have a particular command set that uh the T_V_ responds to . It's not simply a matter of frequency . So um 1659.91 1661.96 ES2003c B MEE009 1 1658.293 1659.216 1658.64 1659.18 Mm-hmm . 1659.18 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1659.843 1660.185 1659.92 1660.15 Yeah . 1660.15 ES2003c A MEE011 0 1664.977 1684.56 1665.01 1684.53 usually what's done is you have this big booklet full of different possi you'll have all of them sort of programmed in to the uh remote , and you'll have this little booklet of codes you then find your um ma uh find your manufacturer and try the different codes that 1674.89 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1677.216 1677.751 1677.26 1677.55 Mm-hmm . 1677.55 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1684.992 1685.328 1685.01 1685.27 Mm-hmm . 1685.27 ES2003c A MEE011 0 1685.6 1689.214 1685.62 1689.214 come under that manufacturer's name 'til you find the right one . It's 1688.76 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1688.464 1693.92 1688.63 1693.89 That's because televisions , they don't give the remote control any type of feedback when you send it . Okay . 1689.71 1693.61 1693.89 ES2003c A MEE011 0 1692.895 1708.003 1692.98 1707.87 Yeah , that's right . So that's that's quite annoying and we probably would still have to do that . But if we had um some sort of hook-up to your computer as an option , then if you've got a computer you can avoid that 1693.13 1694.31 1700.51 1705.62 ES2003c A MEE011 0 1708.912 1711.632 1708.94 1711.59 rather irritating thing . 1711.59 ES2003c B MEE009 1 1711.5 1738.8 1711.57 1738.73 An interesting point is that if the person doesn't have the computer , we can still make the process easier because instead of having to look up codes , maybe we can have it that one of the options they have is that they look up the name of the company on the L_C_D_ and then they maybe look up different names of um different actual units that have been produced . Or we have the remote control just go through them until it's like does this do the correct function , and such . 1715.92 1720.78 1733.49 1738.07 1738.73 ES2003c A MEE011 0 1725.993 1726.607 1726.19 1726.5 Yeah . 1726.5 ES2003c A MEE011 0 1728.368 1729.296 1728.43 1729.17 Yeah . 1729.17 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1738.8 1743.744 1738.91 1743.7 Is it is it actually a book of names to digits , or is it like a few pages ? 1742.15 1743.7 ES2003c A MEE011 0 1743.551 1746.976 1743.87 1746.94 Um booklet . Some pages . 1745.79 1746.94 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1747.088 1750.608 1747.12 1750.57 I was just thinking , if we were to store this information , some type of mapping . 1747.85 1749.6 1750.57 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1751.792 1760.487 1751.81 1760.43 This person probably need to use this feature like once , you know , when you first buy the remote control , or whenever they buy a new television , so once every s 1754.95 1755.16 1756.72 1758.32 ES2003c A MEE011 0 1759.026 1760.008 1759.26 1759.66 Yeah . 1759.66 ES2003c B MEE009 1 1759.12 1761.936 1759.44 1761.82 Doesn't have to be used very often that's right , yeah . 1761.17 1761.82 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1761.36 1762.68 1761.38 1762.68 Yeah , and it's 1761.99 ES2003c A MEE011 0 1761.69 1786.224 1761.92 1786.03 Yeah . But it's a but it's a nuisance . And it's a nuisance very close to the to um to actually purchasing it , so it's something that you're likely to be thinking about . If you if there's w i if there's one in the shop that's that says it can avoid much of that nuisance , you might be favourably inclined towards it . Um mm . 1762.39 1764.2 1769.95 1772.19 1779.13 1782.72 1786.03 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1769.872 1770.08 1769.89 1770.04 Mm . 1770.04 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1780.24 1780.512 1780.27 1780.48 Mm . 1780.48 ES2003c B MEE009 1 1786.882 1798.224 1787.41 1798.19 Okay , this just to give us a rough idea of what we're meant to be doing for the next stage . I'm pretty sure that you got that anyway . This is the conceptual one . Um . 1787.65 1792.85 1795.56 1797.48 1798.19 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1790.256 1790.448 1790.3 1790.41 Mm . 1790.41 ES2003c B MEE009 1 1799.504 1815.376 1799.58 1815.376 I think we've come up I think we've covered everything we need to here . Um I think we've decided on what , you know , decided on standard items for most of um rubber and such , so we're now looking at the detailed design and what we need to be doing for the next meeting . Um 1803.72 1805.11 1805.73 1809.78 1814.64 ES2003c B MEE009 1 1818.4 1829.52 1818.48 1829.49 So for example , um I'll just start at the top , you've got yourself and the Industrial Designer gonna be working quite closely at this stage 'cause it'll be hard not to , obviously . Um 1819.48 1821.11 1827.46 1828.87 ES2003c B MEE009 1 1833.088 1843.936 1833.12 1843.936 looking from prototyping of some des description using clay . Um I suppose you'll be told a lot more about that as uh progress . Um 1838.57 1843.12 ES2003c B MEE009 1 1845.792 1847.808 1845.98 1847.39 The user interface design , 1847.39 ES2003c B MEE009 1 1849.648 1868.848 1849.68 1868.8 They're kind of it looks they're the idea I've pushed forward so far is maybe more of a physical one there , whereas possibly be more interested in maybe how the L_C_D_'s going to incorporate , do you think ? Or do you s perceive that most the design design decisions still need to be based on the physical layout ? 1856.72 1861.57 1862.99 1868.8 ES2003c A MEE011 0 1862.827 1863.696 1863.05 1863.66 Mm . 1863.66 ES2003c A MEE011 0 1869.072 1911.776 1869.68 1911.67 Um well I I think other than ge getting a sort of more aesthetically pleasing form for it , um mo most of the sort of layout design decisions are are made , I would say . Um but then again , the um the menu structure to to a considerable extent that's gonna vary according to the model of television , and also any customisations that the user might wish to incorporate . So um and one of the nice things about having an L_C_D_ and a menu structure is that there is that flexibility to it . 1879.49 1886.12 1887.6 1890.67 1898.89 1903.17 1911.67 ES2003c B MEE009 1 1912.016 1914.048 1912.06 1913.74 Mm-hmm , that's very true . 1912.54 1913.74 ES2003c B MEE009 1 1915.056 1916.448 1915.056 1916.24 Um . 1916.24 ES2003c B MEE009 1 1917.52 1923.072 1918.03 1923.02 Okay . Um got product evaluation as well . Um . 1919.6 1922.23 1923.02 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1922.144 1931.776 1922.17 1931.72 Yeah , you see I don't some of these things kinda logically follow the others . How can t product evaluation , doesn't that come after actually seen 1922.43 1927.5 1929.98 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1933.008 1934.624 1933.03 1934.47 a product prototype . 1934.47 ES2003c B MEE009 1 1933.159 1944.208 1933.159 1943.97 I I think we'd be yeah , no , it'd be more a case of how do we envisage us performing the product evaluation once we have a model to test with . 1935.9 1936.09 1943.97 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1944.16 1945.808 1944.18 1945.72 Oh , that's the okay , sure sure sure . 1944.34 1945.03 1945.72 ES2003c B MEE009 1 1945.664 1966.308 1945.76 1966.308 Um so it'd be a case of do you think that just bringing users in to have them test it out , uh maybe putting a certain number of products into the field in certain places which I suppose is quite similar . Or just kind of hitting the streets and you know saying this is a new remote control , what do you think of the look of it ? Um 1951.62 1957.58 1963.09 1965.44 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1955.856 1956.278 1955.88 1956.21 Mm-hmm . 1956.21 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1964.192 1964.912 1964.22 1964.86 Okay , sure . 1964.59 1964.86 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1967.872 1971.68 1967.89 1971.68 At this stage we still have no no target audience or - ES2003c B MEE009 1 1971.728 1992.96 1972.36 1992.78 I think the target audience is pretty much anybody under the age of say maybe sixty or something ludicrous . Um the reason I'm saying that is we're just looking at a a replacement remote control , something that's stylish , so maybe you're even just maybe you're narrowing down your target audience simply by saying 1981.73 1987.17 1988.74 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1981.184 1981.792 1981.23 1981.6 'Kay . 1981.6 ES2003c C MEE012 2 1992.474 1993.744 1992.85 1993.68 And it's stylish . 1993.68 ES2003c B MEE009 1 1994.032 2009.024 1994.05 2008.98 if they're buying it that often or they're maybe looking to replace something then , they've got a bit of free cash , so that puts them potentially in the younger age bracket . Maybe even single , just for the reasons of um uh excess cash flow . 1998.78 1999.92 2003.43 2004.31 2008.98 ES2003c C MEE012 2 2002.4 2003.056 2002.5 2002.76 Mm-hmm . 2002.76 ES2003c C MEE012 2 2008.944 2009.44 2008.97 2009.21 Mm . 2009.21 ES2003c B MEE009 1 2010.016 2038.912 2010.86 2038.912 Although of course I mean at twenty five Euros , I don't think we're looking at charging the earth for the uh device . Think that's well within the normal bracket . Um your idea of the U_S_B_ would I think would largely depend on the cost . U_S_B_'s definitely one of the cheapest interfaces out there , but it might push the cost of the overall unit up 'cause it would require not just the connection but the chip for communicating with the rest of the system . That one might have to be based on 2012.66 2016.16 2018.0 2023.42 2026.53 2037.11 ES2003c C MEE012 2 2014.801 2016.814 2015.07 2016.68 Yep . Okay . 2016.34 2016.68 ES2003c A MEE011 0 2015.568 2016.016 2015.68 2015.98 Yeah . 2015.98 ES2003c C MEE012 2 2037.102 2039.136 2037.33 2039.09 Programmable memory as well . 2039.09 ES2003c D MEE010 3 2039.152 2040.288 2039.17 2040.25 The U_S_B_ for which ? 2040.25 ES2003c C MEE012 2 2040.364 2041.52 2040.66 2041.48 For the remote control . 2041.48 ES2003c B MEE009 1 2041.588 2053.68 2041.83 2053.56 The the idea was that maybe it could connect up for um allowing a software interface on the P_C_ for a larger programming due to the fact that we've gone for such a nice , easy minimal design , normally . 2051.88 2053.07 2053.56 ES2003c D MEE010 3 2047.298 2048.825 2047.62 2048.64 Oh right , okay . 2048.22 2048.64 ES2003c C MEE012 2 2054.64 2056.944 2054.66 2056.944 We've w definitely talking some type of - ES2003c B MEE009 1 2054.896 2055.733 2055.0 2055.59 Um . 2055.59 ES2003c D MEE010 3 2057.168 2060.832 2057.5 2060.832 But didn't they just say it's just for T_V_ , or are we gonna 2059.38 ES2003c B MEE009 1 2059.856 2062.784 2060.74 2062.75 It's just for T_V_ , but for 2061.91 ES2003c C MEE012 2 2063.104 2063.712 2063.12 2063.67 Different . 2063.67 ES2003c B MEE009 1 2063.92 2076.896 2063.94 2076.4 programming it to use your T_V_ , you might hook it up to the P_C_ . I I'm not sure , but I'm thinking maybe that the additional cost of the U_S_B_ might be prohibitive . We don't know unless it would make sense to . 2065.61 2068.26 2069.89 2074.34 2076.4 ES2003c D MEE010 3 2065.267 2066.549 2065.65 2066.49 Okay , yeah . 2066.12 2066.49 ES2003c A MEE011 0 2074.155 2074.985 2074.31 2074.7 Mm . 2074.7 ES2003c C MEE012 2 2076.816 2086.304 2076.84 2086.27 But you're gonna need some type of flash memory or something . Well something that doesn't you wouldn't have to redo the whole thing once the batteries are changed , you know , once you turn off the power . 2080.64 2085.09 2085.22 2086.27 ES2003c A MEE011 0 2076.731 2078.299 2076.91 2078.299 Yeah , I mean it's 2077.4 ES2003c A MEE011 0 2082.016 2083.092 2082.38 2082.83 Yeah . 2082.83 ES2003c A MEE011 0 2085.312 2109.36 2085.33 2109.32 Yeah . The other thing I mean it I mean it would need to ha it would need to have um some sort of on board memory anyway . Um f for one for one thing because I do think that the menu system should be um uh I mean although you know , it's not going to be terribly complicated if it's just controlling one device , the menu system ought to be um 2086.23 2094.58 2103.42 2106.41 ES2003c C MEE012 2 2092.904 2093.819 2093.24 2093.67 Yeah . 2093.67 ES2003c A MEE011 0 2111.104 2113.636 2111.12 2113.636 o ought to be customisable and uh - ES2003c C MEE012 2 2113.104 2117.168 2113.12 2117.13 Different languages , uh different skins and stuff like that . 2114.47 2117.13 ES2003c B MEE009 1 2115.76 2117.945 2115.93 2117.64 Mm-hmm . W 2117.34 ES2003c A MEE011 0 2116.688 2127.25 2116.71 2127.2 Mm-hmm . How uh how uh how you want say the um the the menu structure for flicking through channels if you've got lots of channels . That sort of thing . 2117.53 2126.17 2127.2 ES2003c C MEE012 2 2125.147 2132.32 2125.38 2132.25 Sure . I if it was customisable as in different languages and stuff , that does open it is supposed to be international , right ? So . 2126.1 2129.09 2131.65 2131.96 2132.25 ES2003c B MEE009 1 2132.704 2144.192 2132.94 2144.13 It would make sense to . I would say to . Um and we'd better be careful about the time as well . We've already had the five minute warning , so . Um . I would say yeah . 2134.6 2135.85 2139.2 2140.68 2141.79 2143.28 2144.13 ES2003c C MEE012 2 2133.971 2135.487 2134.17 2135.487 It would make sense if you could - ES2003c C MEE012 2 2139.009 2139.59 2139.13 2139.41 Okay . 2139.41 ES2003c B MEE009 1 2145.68 2165.36 2145.85 2165.28 International would make sense . Um you're gonna look at product evaluation . I'm I'd better start writing up a hell of a lot of crap . Um you're gonna look a bit more at the kind of the physical make up you say . Um looks like we're gonna need a maybe a kind of prototype in clay . Uh we'll see how that goes . Um . 2147.67 2150.05 2153.21 2157.75 2163.14 2164.57 2165.28 ES2003c A MEE011 0 2157.755 2158.69 2158.02 2158.52 Yeah . 2158.52 ES2003c A MEE011 0 2164.563 2168.992 2164.563 2168.8 Are we going to be supplied with the clay is what I want to know . Where is the clay ? 2167.86 2168.8 ES2003c B MEE009 1 2166.72 2175.216 2166.72 2175.12 So um do I think we've got an idea of where we need to go for the next meeting , would you say ? 2174.5 2175.12 ES2003c C MEE012 2 2175.136 2175.584 2175.16 2175.53 Yeah . 2175.53 ES2003c D MEE010 3 2175.76 2184.288 2175.76 2182.24 they're going with the fashion thing , like the design , spongy rubber . Yeah . 2178.59 2180.71 2182.24 2184.01 ES2003c A MEE011 0 2175.936 2176.577 2175.96 2176.39 Mm-hmm . 2176.39 ES2003c C MEE012 2 2179.024 2180.378 2179.41 2180.24 The fruit and veg . 2180.24 ES2003c C MEE012 2 2181.292 2182.046 2181.42 2181.91 This one . 2181.91 ES2003c B MEE009 1 2182.032 2186.221 2182.032 2186.08 Yeah , I would s that would be my my feeling . 2182.93 2186.08 ES2003c A MEE011 0 2182.126 2182.866 2182.34 2182.7 Mm . 2182.7 ES2003c A MEE011 0 2184.139 2190.317 2184.139 2190.17 I th I think I would largely want to actually steer clear of the whole sort of fruit and veg thing . 2190.17 ES2003c A MEE011 0 2191.168 2197.648 2191.19 2197.47 Bu but um but the spongy idea I like . I like it a lot . 2196.79 2197.47 ES2003c B MEE009 1 2197.584 2203.056 2197.87 2203.056 We seem to have quite a general consensus that the idea of the the r rubber could be quite - ES2003c C MEE012 2 2197.724 2198.346 2197.88 2198.24 Yeah . 2198.24 ES2003c C MEE012 2 2202.896 2203.456 2203.11 2203.4 Yeah . 2203.4 ES2003c A MEE011 0 2203.536 2213.328 2203.99 2213.328 I having it i having it sort of br bright yellow I think that's quite a good idea , though maybe we could have options for colours as well . 2210.44 2213.12 ES2003c C MEE012 2 2214.256 2214.688 2214.44 2214.65 Yeah . 2214.65 ES2003c A MEE011 0 2215.68 2219.342 2215.68 2219.3 and again this has the advantage of being harder to lose . 2219.3 ES2003c C MEE012 2 2219.264 2225.097 2219.28 2224.67 Sure . I mean we are trying to promote a remote control , but we wanna keep the company brand as well , so . 2219.57 2221.56 2224.34 2224.67 ES2003c B MEE009 1 2224.185 2228.401 2224.185 2228.36 Yeah . So we always need to remember that somewhere we're meant to be getting the slogan on . 2225.32 2228.36 ES2003c A MEE011 0 2224.544 2224.928 2224.56 2224.89 Mm-hmm . 2224.89 ES2003c B MEE009 1 2230.014 2237.52 2230.23 2237.47 Possibly I'm think I'm not sure but I'm seeing a little bit of space around maybe the joystick area which could be used . Um . 2236.99 2237.47 ES2003c A MEE011 0 2235.2 2235.728 2235.23 2235.65 Mm . 2235.65 ES2003c A MEE011 0 2236.896 2244.112 2236.92 2243.92 Yeah . I was like like I said before I I think we should have the R_R_ on the uh on the top function button . 2237.48 2243.92 ES2003c B MEE009 1 2245.52 2251.794 2245.62 2251.55 Okay . And I think that says it all really . Right . See everybody in a half hour . 2246.67 2249.43 2250.33 2251.55 ES2003c C MEE012 2 2247.742 2248.896 2247.742 2248.85 I think so too . 2248.85 ES2003c C MEE012 2 2249.885 2251.144 2250.33 2250.78 Sa - ES2003d B MEE009 1 0.0 4.414 0.04 3.11 That should hopefully do the trick , um . 2.53 3.11 ES2003d B MEE009 1 16.512 29.36 16.99 29.25 'Kay . Sorry about the small delay . Falling a little bit behind schedule . And that's uh fifteen twenty five . 17.43 20.27 24.44 29.25 ES2003d B MEE009 1 33.696 41.248 34.24 41.21 Okay . So just to try and roughly go over what we agreed in the last one , um 35.05 40.57 ES2003d B MEE009 1 43.264 76.336 43.28 75.72 we're gonna go for something uh uh how was it ? Uh The new black , I believe . Um something that looks good 'cause that seems to be in preference to actual functionality in the end , though we should never avoid functionality , of course . Uh many of our components are gonna be standard , off the shelf , but it seemed like we were gonna require at least an advanced chip and we were still very much for the idea of using an L_C_D_ display . Um other things were we were hoping to use rubber , most likely gonna be double curved , etcetera . 47.08 47.98 49.23 54.58 57.33 58.39 60.26 61.07 69.33 73.3 75.0 75.72 ES2003d C MEE012 2 48.592 49.312 48.592 49.312 . 49.312 ES2003d B MEE009 1 77.568 87.264 77.66 87.21 Okay . So um due to your hard work , we might as well let the uh two designers go first , and uh show us the prototype . 79.42 82.0 84.5 87.21 ES2003d A MEE011 0 86.649 88.48 87.07 88.48 Okay , it's a 87.72 ES2003d B MEE009 1 88.704 92.416 89.22 92.416 Quite how the best way to do this is , I'm not sure , but 90.76 91.65 ES2003d A MEE011 0 90.656 94.784 90.656 94.75 I think if we both step up and uh - ES2003d A MEE011 0 96.256 97.993 96.78 97.84 outline our ideas . 97.84 ES2003d A MEE011 0 98.784 100.384 98.94 100.34 Okay . Now 100.11 ES2003d A MEE011 0 101.888 140.864 101.91 140.864 do uh doing the prototype gave us a bit more insight into the ergonomics of the design . Um for one thing , it turned out that the only point at which it needs to be articulated for handedness is um is h i is down here for the uh L_E_D_ . As it turned out , the whole thing transfers from the right to left hand fairly well from the point of view of operating the uh function buttons and joystick , though it might be an idea to be able to a adjust the positions for the base of the joystick just a little bit for uh 107.66 109.96 122.26 124.28 133.37 ES2003d B MEE009 1 140.512 141.78 140.65 141.0 Okay . 141.0 ES2003d A MEE011 0 142.031 169.072 142.031 169.01 ju just a thought . You could simply have a slightly ovoid shaped joystick that could then just be turn uh twisted round , so that the uh sticky uh so that the bit that sticks out a bit more is on one side or the other . But as you as you see with the uh with holding it in the left hand , the L_ uh the L_C_D_ is nowhere useful , so that would need to be articulated 144.5 151.63 158.5 163.11 167.04 ES2003d A MEE011 0 170.144 172.928 170.16 172.87 uh if we're going to retain ergonomic design . 172.87 ES2003d A MEE011 0 174.032 180.288 174.1 180.25 Um now I I got your note about uh keeping the cost down . 180.25 ES2003d B MEE009 1 179.944 184.608 180.46 183.8 I'm afraid yeah . We'll go into that a bit more , but please go on . 181.79 182.79 183.8 ES2003d A MEE011 0 181.222 181.964 181.26 181.81 Yeah . 181.81 ES2003d A MEE011 0 183.264 188.768 183.264 188.73 this design could be done with um - ES2003d A MEE011 0 191.872 207.664 191.89 207.5 with uh plastic casing . Though I would recommend around the grip part here in the middle , having maybe just a rubber grip over that which would allow for a slightly more sort of bio-morphic form , and a bit more ergonomic as well . As for the um 194.46 198.23 203.57 205.95 ES2003d A MEE011 0 208.752 210.368 208.77 210.33 as for the single curve , 210.33 ES2003d A MEE011 0 211.472 228.56 211.49 228.51 um well this edge and this edge , like I say it would be nice to have some curvature to it , but it's not absolutely necessary . Really the curve that's most needed is the underside so that the jo so that the joystick rests over the the edge of the hand like this . 216.25 218.34 219.51 228.51 ES2003d A MEE011 0 229.632 231.184 229.65 231.07 Um and you have - ES2003d A MEE011 0 232.56 240.848 232.58 240.76 the uh transmitter here and a wee speaker for the uh for the uh for the uh fi uh for the remote control finder . 240.76 ES2003d A MEE011 0 241.656 242.716 241.85 242.17 So . 242.17 ES2003d A MEE011 0 243.546 245.776 244.36 245.55 Any further comments ? 245.55 ES2003d D MEE010 3 245.696 257.488 245.79 257.45 Um obviously it's gonna be bulkier than how it looks , because it's gonna be flat on one side , so the L_C_D_ will be s sticking down like this , won't it ? 'Cause it you can't get it curved . 248.92 251.84 253.91 255.97 257.45 ES2003d A MEE011 0 254.768 256.448 254.84 256.41 Mm-hmm . Yeah . 255.87 256.41 ES2003d D MEE010 3 258.579 264.48 258.64 264.38 Uh because of costs . And it's plastic as well , so it won't be as comfortable on the hand . 260.41 261.52 264.38 ES2003d A MEE011 0 258.64 261.227 258.66 260.99 Yeah , I mean the uh Yeah . 258.88 260.99 ES2003d B MEE009 1 264.784 265.303 264.82 265.24 Mm . 265.24 ES2003d A MEE011 0 264.464 289.056 264.93 289.01 Yeah . I mean with the with the rubber design it could i you know it could pretty much mould very much to the to the user's hand . One nice wee feature if we could if we could still do the rubber , I though of was to have the uh rubber extend beyond the end of the uh of the rigid substructure . So it has a wee sort of tail that you just drape over your wrist so it stays in position nicely . 265.21 272.18 275.41 285.08 289.01 ES2003d A MEE011 0 290.288 290.496 290.31 290.44 Mm . 290.44 ES2003d A MEE011 0 291.6 293.408 291.67 293.37 Lovely . Um . 293.0 293.37 ES2003d D MEE010 3 294.544 296.767 295.23 296.767 Yeah , . 296.5 296.5 ES2003d B MEE009 1 297.968 301.216 298.06 301.17 Okay , yeah . Great . Um . 298.27 298.62 300.11 301.17 ES2003d C MEE012 2 299.344 300.08 299.4 299.97 Right . 299.97 ES2003d C MEE012 2 301.136 305.191 301.16 304.94 Yeah I've got a if you load up my evaluation document . 304.94 ES2003d B MEE009 1 304.176 307.859 304.2 307.7 Yeah , okay . Excellent work . 304.36 306.68 307.7 ES2003d A MEE011 0 305.098 305.722 305.27 305.62 Okay . 305.62 ES2003d C MEE012 2 307.905 308.436 308.07 308.23 Mm . 308.23 ES2003d B MEE009 1 312.621 314.545 312.88 314.47 Um . 314.47 ES2003d C MEE012 2 322.08 322.832 322.12 322.8 Uh evaluation . 322.8 ES2003d C MEE012 2 329.92 339.936 329.94 339.88 Basic point uh have a list of criteria that we need to rate the prototype by . Um then we will it's a seven s um seven 336.2 ES2003d C MEE012 2 341.136 375.55 341.39 375.55 seven step kinda evaluation process . So um not seven steps , seven scale . So after we've finished doing all the ratings for each criteria , we average that and that will give us some type of uh confidence in our prototype . And uh the criteria based on Real Reactions' kinda goals and policies , marketing strategies , and also those I put together from the user requirements phase . 'Kay . Um if you flip the 343.84 346.85 348.24 351.55 358.19 366.01 367.77 372.85 373.77 ES2003d C MEE012 2 378.693 400.944 378.693 400.87 So , those are the criteria . And uh perhaps I could have put 'em a bit better , but you notice a few things that we've totally abandoned , which means that uh the product will score very badly on some of those points . Put it mildly . So we have um true ? 379.61 382.67 385.69 388.74 396.81 397.97 400.87 ES2003d C MEE012 2 402.368 403.536 402.42 403.48 One , t 403.36 ES2003d C MEE012 2 408.386 411.241 408.59 411.11 Seven , eight , oh . 409.4 410.96 411.11 ES2003d C MEE012 2 414.352 438.269 414.58 438.269 Fourth . Okay , so we have to go through each point . If we imagine it's actually straight , and just give it a a score . So um how well would you say the prototype is uh how well have we realised the dream of being able to stop remotes from from being lost , or to be able to find them once they are lost . I mean , uh is the homing thing still the locator , is that still 415.07 415.43 417.72 419.65 421.78 432.0 433.83 434.65 437.49 ES2003d A MEE011 0 437.76 439.664 437.83 439.44 Yeah , that's still part of the design . 438.1 439.44 ES2003d C MEE012 2 439.584 441.36 439.6 441.3 Sure . And Adam , we can keep that in ? 439.97 440.51 441.3 ES2003d B MEE009 1 441.456 455.36 441.76 455.14 Yeah , I believe so . So I mean I don't think anybody could actually stop a remote being lost , 'cause that would mean doing something about the human element , but I'd like to think that we've done something about finding the damn thing once we have . 442.0 442.97 446.71 450.09 455.14 ES2003d C MEE012 2 443.056 443.765 443.08 443.39 Okay . 443.39 ES2003d C MEE012 2 448.992 449.973 448.992 449.94 Sure . 449.94 ES2003d C MEE012 2 451.025 451.773 451.23 451.53 T - ES2003d A MEE011 0 453.712 453.936 453.73 453.9 Mm . 453.9 ES2003d C MEE012 2 455.2 455.93 455.27 455.88 Sure . 455.88 ES2003d A MEE011 0 455.309 459.824 455.47 459.66 Mm . And making it a bright colour helps with the personally I would have gone for purple . 455.78 459.66 ES2003d C MEE012 2 459.744 469.737 459.76 469.67 Mm . Bright colour . So we still have that noise thing , yeah ? Os on a scale of one to seven , how would you guys rate it for finding finding it once it's lost ? 460.77 461.37 462.5 463.71 465.3 469.67 ES2003d A MEE011 0 463.168 463.776 463.21 463.64 Mm-hmm . 463.64 ES2003d A MEE011 0 471.483 473.036 471.74 472.82 I'd say number one . 472.82 ES2003d C MEE012 2 473.136 478.641 473.16 478.55 Number one ? Okay . Number number one for the first criteria . 474.28 474.78 478.55 ES2003d D MEE010 3 472.993 474.128 473.2 474.09 One . Yeah . 473.87 474.09 ES2003d A MEE011 0 478.272 495.104 478.31 495.07 I think w if it was just the sounder then th I mean something I've found with uh w w with say tr trying to find uh a cordless phone or a m mobile , you can hear it , but you can't quite pin it dow pin down where it is . 491.06 491.99 495.07 ES2003d C MEE012 2 494.671 497.84 495.0 497.84 Yeah you can tell what room the mobile is - ES2003d D MEE010 3 497.76 507.648 497.78 507.51 What about what if the the volume on the T_V_'s turned up massively and uh you just wanna turn down the volume can't find remote . 507.51 ES2003d A MEE011 0 497.74 498.398 498.05 498.33 Bu - ES2003d D MEE010 3 508.736 512.513 508.76 512.41 Suppose you have to go to the T_V_ and do it manually . Mm . 512.2 512.41 ES2003d C MEE012 2 510.736 511.28 510.77 511.25 Yeah . 511.25 ES2003d A MEE011 0 511.36 511.872 511.38 511.84 Yeah . 511.84 ES2003d B MEE009 1 511.792 514.112 512.25 514.08 Mm . Um 513.72 ES2003d C MEE012 2 512.64 513.328 512.9 513.24 Yeah . 513.24 ES2003d D MEE010 3 513.538 515.974 513.66 515.79 Like y you wouldn't hear the speaker . 515.79 ES2003d C MEE012 2 515.744 516.096 515.78 516.03 Mm-hmm . 516.03 ES2003d B MEE009 1 516.272 521.917 516.29 521.8 just before we go through all of the steps here , um well what we'll do is 520.07 ES2003d C MEE012 2 518.592 519.392 518.67 519.36 You wanna say something ? 519.36 ES2003d B MEE009 1 523.907 531.648 524.09 531.648 um if we can look at the criteria you're gonna evaluate , and then we'll come back to the product evaluation if that's alright . Yeah , is that 526.92 530.89 531.33 ES2003d C MEE012 2 530.224 530.848 530.29 530.73 That's fine . 530.73 ES2003d C MEE012 2 531.69 533.032 531.94 532.91 Oh that's that's fine . 532.91 ES2003d B MEE009 1 533.296 538.833 533.43 538.48 Um so is there anything here that you - ES2003d B MEE009 1 541.344 546.96 541.8 546.93 that you wanted to cover as in the criteria that you've covered ? And then we'll come back pretty much promptly to this . 544.89 546.93 ES2003d C MEE012 2 546.88 548.608 546.9 548.608 What do you mean cr is there anything I wanna - ES2003d B MEE009 1 547.986 555.125 548.23 554.91 I is there any of these criteria that need any explaining ? Or is there anything that yous thought tha really would stand out compared to the others ? 551.01 554.91 ES2003d C MEE012 2 554.912 556.343 555.15 556.09 Um , a few . 555.73 556.09 ES2003d C MEE012 2 558.752 588.672 558.88 588.63 Something I neglected from my initial research is that Real Reactions has a a goal strategy that all of the products be inspired by material fashion , and clothing fashion . That is why fruit and veg being popular in the home and in clothing was important and they want all their products to be somehow inspired by current trends in fashion . So they say we put the fashion in electronics , well they really mean it they they're very big on fashion , so . 569.93 571.47 583.33 585.2 588.25 588.63 ES2003d B MEE009 1 588.008 589.32 588.67 589.13 Okay . 589.13 ES2003d C MEE012 2 590.256 606.576 590.28 606.53 That's this bit right here . And uh this bit is this one easy to use for visitors or for anybody ? I guess it's just the same as saying easy to use interface , so it's kinda condensed into one . And we can come back to it , you said . So . 592.88 599.94 602.73 605.15 605.96 606.36 606.53 ES2003d B MEE009 1 606.176 610.362 606.55 610.06 Okay . No and which we will do very very shortly . 607.58 610.06 ES2003d B MEE009 1 612.951 614.928 612.99 614.72 Um . 614.72 ES2003d B MEE009 1 616.368 650.768 616.92 650.21 Okay . Slight problem we had was that we have an amazing four Euros over budget for what we were hoping to do . Um most of it stems from the use of the L_C_D_ which I think in the end accounted for about half of our expenditure because of course we required a chip as well . Um the only way to get this down was either to ditch the a L_C_D_ , at which point we've removed a large part of how we were gonna interface , require more buttons , etcetera . 619.82 628.1 639.25 645.08 648.68 649.62 650.21 ES2003d B MEE009 1 652.064 687.25 652.08 687.12 Or what we did was that we um we as in I as I was quickly going over it was altering the actual structure . Um changing it to plastic and a solid unit with a single curve design would allow us to come back into the um proposed costs and we're just scraping it in , we've got point two of a Euro left over there . So we're just managing it really . Even then as well , um there was no criteria technically defined for a joystick so I've used what I think's appropriate . With any luck that won't mean that we've incurred more cost than we can actually afford to . 660.52 670.92 673.89 676.48 677.66 683.46 687.12 ES2003d B MEE009 1 689.731 700.16 689.82 699.4 It blows a lot of our really good ideas kind of slightly to one side , for example the possibility of having a U_S_B_ connection is definitely not viable now . Um . 693.83 698.61 699.4 ES2003d C MEE012 2 700.361 701.408 700.45 701.37 Different languages ? 701.37 ES2003d B MEE009 1 702.208 723.36 702.23 723.33 That should still be viable . We've got an advanced chip , we've got the use of the L_C_D_ . So being able to communicate in multiple languages is still very much a possibility . Um but what's something we need to decide on is how we're gonna go from here . We do need to try and come up with an idea which could be continued with other people if need be . Um . 703.51 704.59 705.95 711.79 717.52 722.65 723.33 ES2003d C MEE012 2 706.569 707.131 706.77 706.93 Yeah . 706.93 ES2003d B MEE009 1 725.152 746.288 725.19 746.24 We can I can bring the excel up sheet up and uh show you if you wish um . I really think as m much as it pains me is that we might have to go with plastic and some kind of solid design , possibly meaning that the L_C_D_ wouldn't be in this perfect place . It might be s stuck like slightly between what would be good for left handed and what would be good for a right handed person . 729.96 735.9 741.03 746.24 ES2003d A MEE011 0 746.973 760.656 747.22 760.16 Mm-hmm I suppose o one thing that could be done is h is have it um circular and have it s so that the uh the pink actually goes a bit over the pinkie finger . Mm . So that uh th 757.95 758.99 ES2003d B MEE009 1 757.424 758.368 757.49 757.92 Okay . 757.92 ES2003d C MEE012 2 758.432 758.992 758.48 758.76 Mm . 758.76 ES2003d B MEE009 1 760.64 764.272 760.76 764.24 It very much is about making concessions , unfortunately . Um . 763.11 763.84 764.24 ES2003d A MEE011 0 764.192 765.488 764.21 765.12 Mm . 765.12 ES2003d C MEE012 2 765.284 772.864 765.41 772.83 Do you have any data on how much um different prints cost ? I mean can you get the entire thing printed with a design um ? 769.12 772.83 ES2003d B MEE009 1 773.92 783.424 774.05 783.38 Um b b b da is you mean on the plastic , or ? Let's have a look . You now have as much information as I do . Um . 776.39 777.63 779.42 782.71 783.38 ES2003d C MEE012 2 776.4 777.2 776.4 777.2 . 777.2 ES2003d C MEE012 2 781.616 782.384 781.72 782.22 Yeah , yeah . 781.88 782.22 ES2003d B MEE009 1 785.152 787.728 785.19 787.63 So as you can see here , for example , the battery 786.25 786.78 ES2003d B MEE009 1 788.72 796.512 788.82 796.29 really not very little choice in that one . We've gone for one of the cheaper options as well . Unfortunately we require the advanced chip if we're gonna do what we're needing to . 790.75 793.05 796.29 ES2003d B MEE009 1 797.632 815.072 797.65 815.01 I've said single curved . We really do need it to be that way for the ergonomics of it . Um plastic for some reason incurs no cost , which I've had to very much make advantage of , despite the fact that rubber's only got a value of two Euros per unit . Problem comes here as you can see in the interface . Um 799.01 802.73 805.19 806.95 811.45 814.63 ES2003d B MEE009 1 816.896 855.44 816.92 854.97 if I've read this thing correctly , then we can save point five of a Euro here in that it's not per push button . That might make sense , because then a numeric keypad would come in at um what , four point five Euros , which is an awful lot , so that could well be wrong . Even if we save point five there , it would just mean that we're most likely placing it in actually just gaining a colour for the unit , which has had to be put to one side . As you can see , the use of an L_C_ display um advanced chip and what would determine the scroll wheel here as well because it's an integrated scroll scroll wheel push button that wasn't quite what I think they had in mind with a joystick . 818.27 823.06 824.01 827.47 828.65 829.71 831.84 833.25 838.2 840.27 841.98 854.97 ES2003d C MEE012 2 855.2 860.016 855.37 859.91 Why would why would that be more expensive than an individual push button and scroll wheel together ? 859.91 ES2003d C MEE012 2 861.12 863.024 861.16 862.79 That's quite significantly expensive . 862.79 ES2003d B MEE009 1 863.536 869.664 864.55 869.63 I that's something you'll have to take up with the bean counters . Um 868.81 ES2003d C MEE012 2 866.023 868.393 866.023 868.393 . 868.393 ES2003d A MEE011 0 869.792 871.28 869.83 871.02 Mm . yeah . 870.62 871.02 ES2003d B MEE009 1 871.088 899.68 871.2 899.42 as you can see I mean that's taken up well over half of the price . So um I'm very much open to suggestions of where we go , but because we need to shed what was four Euros off of the um the price of for what we really desired , this one comes in under price as you can see , but this was the one that sacrificed the material for the case and for the actual case design . 875.03 879.06 890.3 892.72 899.42 ES2003d C MEE012 2 874.048 874.56 874.16 874.52 Yeah . 874.52 ES2003d C MEE012 2 899.6 907.104 899.62 907.06 We don't even have uh speakers here . The like uh we uh what about speakers and transmitters and stuff like that ? Have we factored that in ? 901.46 906.05 907.06 ES2003d D MEE010 3 907.024 907.728 907.05 907.49 Mm . 907.49 ES2003d B MEE009 1 908.656 912.275 908.73 912.275 Uh no , we haven't , not 909.84 910.87 ES2003d C MEE012 2 910.48 919.04 910.81 919.04 Transmitter , receiver , speakers . Plus the extra device itself that's gonna be on a T_V_ . Is that gonna be a button , or 911.47 912.68 914.48 917.67 918.6 ES2003d B MEE009 1 919.712 923.888 919.73 923.888 That'll it literally would just be a button . We might have to 922.7 ES2003d C MEE012 2 921.6 922.112 921.62 921.99 Yeah . 921.99 ES2003d D MEE010 3 922.576 925.328 922.65 925.28 That's too expensive isn't it ? 925.28 ES2003d B MEE009 1 926.048 927.504 926.21 927.504 It looks like almost nothing - ES2003d B MEE009 1 929.328 931.776 929.46 931.73 Mm . Oh good call , I missed that . 930.47 931.17 931.73 ES2003d C MEE012 2 932.509 935.32 932.66 935.29 I I mean it's not on here , but um . 933.92 935.29 ES2003d B MEE009 1 934.763 937.472 934.763 937.32 that's a very valid point . 937.32 ES2003d C MEE012 2 938.193 946.111 938.37 946.0 Did they s do we have to use an advanced chip for the L_C_D_ ? Okay . Well that's yeah . 943.23 943.95 946.0 ES2003d D MEE010 3 942.176 942.672 942.2 942.62 Yeah . 942.62 ES2003d B MEE009 1 945.52 948.608 945.63 948.608 So if we're gonna go with the L_C_ display , then that's 947.28 ES2003d C MEE012 2 949.648 952.48 949.67 952.45 What's a hand dyna dynamo ? You have to wind it up ? 951.52 952.45 ES2003d B MEE009 1 952.832 954.208 952.93 954.07 I believe so , yeah . 953.66 954.07 ES2003d B MEE009 1 955.44 962.209 956.2 962.01 That would probably not be in keeping with the um the fashion statement and such , yeah . 961.58 962.01 ES2003d C MEE012 2 958.848 962.154 958.848 961.96 Technology . Yeah . 960.97 961.96 ES2003d D MEE010 3 960.034 960.894 960.08 960.71 Fashion . 960.71 ES2003d C MEE012 2 963.777 964.336 963.92 964.2 Okay . 964.2 ES2003d D MEE010 3 963.67 968.964 963.97 968.71 So basically the only new thing is the L_C_D_ on the remote now . 968.71 ES2003d B MEE009 1 967.056 969.904 967.8 969.76 Being manipulated by the joystick , yeah . 969.27 969.76 ES2003d D MEE010 3 969.824 970.88 969.84 970.77 Oh , and joystick , yeah . 969.98 970.61 970.77 ES2003d B MEE009 1 971.6 977.792 971.71 977.48 Which I'm defining as scroll wheel . Um . 976.2 977.48 ES2003d C MEE012 2 978.016 989.024 978.12 988.89 And we couldn't replace the joystick , right ? Because we would need four extra buttons to replace it , up down left and right , and that would be more expensive than a but is a scroll wheel not just back and forward ? 980.18 980.51 982.55 983.71 988.89 ES2003d A MEE011 0 986.506 987.358 986.78 987.25 Mm . 987.25 ES2003d B MEE009 1 989.472 993.184 989.49 993.15 Yeah it's just because there was no actual definition for what a joystick might be , that 992.92 ES2003d B MEE009 1 994.464 997.888 994.48 997.74 that's what I've labelled it for the purposes of this evaluation . 997.74 ES2003d D MEE010 3 995.274 995.888 995.54 995.888 So - ES2003d D MEE010 3 998.448 1001.352 998.47 1001.15 The L_C_D_ basically is the big selling point of - ES2003d B MEE009 1 1000.928 1004.992 1001.46 1004.9 If we remove the L_C_ display , we could save ourselves 1003.34 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1002.441 1003.696 1002.62 1003.47 the remote . 1003.47 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1006.848 1008.432 1006.96 1008.29 a fair amount . 1008.29 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1009.552 1010.256 1009.57 1010.256 Which you could - ES2003d D MEE010 3 1009.824 1012.278 1009.86 1012.18 But that's what makes it uh original though , isn't it ? 1011.48 1012.18 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1011.52 1023.479 1011.54 1022.62 Mm . I think if we remove the the L_C_ display then there was absolutely no point to any of these meetings and we just we could just put our branding on any other remote control . 1012.71 1022.62 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1011.84 1012.352 1011.86 1012.29 Yeah . 1012.29 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1022.384 1025.424 1022.4 1025.39 Yeah . Yeah . Um . Uh k 1023.22 1023.64 1024.99 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1026.959 1029.152 1027.2 1029.152 It's a shame . We should possibly have 1028.09 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1031.184 1037.712 1031.27 1037.57 If we could've increased the price we could've manufactured that and we could've got something far closer to what we were hoping to . 1037.57 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1036.336 1042.432 1036.47 1042.35 Does this does this bear in mind that I mean it's a bit ridiculous that they're gonna charge us - ES2003d C MEE012 2 1043.6 1050.56 1043.62 1050.52 what is it , like this much money for three million if we're gonna buy three million components , you know . 1044.24 1050.18 1050.52 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1050.48 1058.24 1050.59 1058.19 Again , you'll have to argue with the accountants on that one . Um but for the purposes of this meeting , I'm we're gonna have to stick with these figures . 1051.25 1053.3 1056.44 1058.19 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1052.671 1053.205 1052.87 1053.01 Mm . 1053.01 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1059.034 1059.644 1059.07 1059.59 'Kay . 1059.59 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1060.919 1061.648 1061.09 1061.56 So , 1061.56 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1062.88 1072.192 1062.9 1072.16 I would say that it would seem like the general opinion is we're gonna keep the L_C_ display 'cause it's about what really separates us , despite the cost it's gonna incur . Um 1068.78 1071.39 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1068.657 1069.341 1068.69 1069.26 I think so . 1069.26 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1074.096 1083.584 1074.12 1083.46 are people maybe not happy with , but are willing to go ahead with this in going for a plastic solid case , to keep the L_C_D_ ? 1076.78 1082.17 1083.46 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1084.352 1094.528 1084.38 1094.4 Mm-hmm . Um yeah I mean one thing , I mean ho uh how much extra would it be to to keep I mean keep the um the articulation ? 1085.14 1088.25 1094.4 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1094.784 1105.648 1095.29 1105.56 It's hard to tell . Um I would say that you're at least gonna take double curved , and even then I'm not quite sure if that's incorporating the idea of articulation . 1096.39 1102.21 1105.56 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1097.205 1099.456 1097.9 1099.32 This is what I'm wondering . 1099.32 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1105.632 1106.064 1105.65 1106.03 Yeah . 1106.03 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1105.984 1111.709 1106.02 1111.64 Oh no , I think I I it d that it needn't require it to be double curved . 1106.3 1111.64 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1110.348 1112.944 1110.68 1112.944 It can be s yeah , it can still be single curved , but 1111.4 1112.72 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1112.96 1121.472 1112.98 1121.07 It's uh it's just it's just it's just that the case would come in t would be made in two parts and then joined together with an articulation . 1121.07 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1113.381 1114.619 1113.58 1114.57 You just . 1114.57 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1113.744 1115.536 1113.76 1115.49 Single curved with articulation ? 1115.49 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1121.04 1133.616 1121.42 1133.56 Could we could we not get rid of the curvy the curvous the curvaceousness and focus on the menu being the best interface ? 'Cause like we do we have re restrictions on software ? 1130.91 1133.56 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1132.796 1135.184 1133.28 1135.12 That's what we need for the joystick I think though . 1135.12 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1135.488 1137.059 1135.51 1137.059 Oh but there has to be - ES2003d A MEE011 0 1135.888 1145.887 1135.91 1145.46 Mm . Yeah , I mean and I mean the uh I mean if you look uh if you look closer at the uh at the prototype here , the lines here along the grip 1136.39 1136.55 1143.43 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1145.887 1169.45 1146.09 1169.21 are actually quite straight . Um I mean yeah , on the on the L_C_D_ I mean although we've done it with a curve it could just as easily be done um without curves . The curve that's really needed is up here , to put uh to keep the joystick in a good ergonomic position for it to have it rest on the top of the hand . 1148.23 1149.49 1159.63 1162.48 1169.21 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1148.93 1151.984 1148.93 1151.88 But the curves all o over hand , is it ? 1151.55 1151.88 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1161.824 1162.979 1161.824 1162.8 joystick . 1162.8 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1169.536 1172.463 1169.56 1172.19 Okay . Sure . Okay , my bad . 1170.21 1171.32 1171.69 1172.19 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1173.86 1190.032 1174.06 1189.67 We wouldn't actually save a lot by reducing it anyway , so I mean for the purposes of this meeting maybe we can state that single curve still allows articulation . Um unless we hear otherwise we could go ahead with that proposal . 1176.57 1184.21 1189.67 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1183.264 1183.76 1183.31 1183.63 Mm . 1183.63 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1190.132 1196.0 1190.42 1195.95 So I think the product is not gonna perform so well for my criteria . 1195.95 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1196.784 1208.788 1196.9 1208.788 Which is what we can get onto now . As long as so are we gonna say w we have to keep an eye on the time as well , but we're gonna say um single curved design 1198.59 1203.76 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1206.032 1206.832 1206.05 1206.74 Oh , wait a minute . 1206.24 1206.74 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1207.984 1209.184 1208.02 1209.12 Sample speaker ? 1209.12 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1210.224 1213.664 1210.3 1213.63 What is a sample speaker ? Is that somewhat similar to what we want ? 1211.66 1213.63 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1214.048 1216.098 1214.11 1216.098 It could well be , but at a cost of 1214.89 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1214.704 1221.344 1214.72 1221.29 Mm no that's that voice response thing that we got the email about . But I thought it was just completely pointless . 1219.54 1221.29 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1216.96 1217.815 1216.98 1217.65 Costs four . 1217.65 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1218.448 1218.8 1218.47 1218.71 Yeah . 1218.71 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1221.824 1223.44 1221.92 1223.4 You got a email about voice response ? 1223.4 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1223.792 1224.592 1223.87 1224.56 Yeah . 1224.56 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1224.512 1225.584 1224.65 1225.52 I did not , so . 1225.28 1225.52 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1225.584 1235.552 1225.61 1235.42 Alright . B i basically it was saying that our labs had come up with a chip that you could , you know , say hello to , and it would say hello back in a friendly female voice . 1226.25 1230.96 1231.88 1232.76 1235.42 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1236.656 1239.104 1236.78 1238.44 Okay , yeah we'll definitely won't go with that one . 1237.03 1238.44 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1239.04 1242.257 1239.06 1242.257 We won't go with that one , did you say ? I mean I we 1239.99 1241.18 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1240.72 1243.2 1241.43 1243.1 Yeah , that's voice recognition , so . 1241.53 1242.63 1243.1 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1243.2 1244.624 1243.22 1244.57 Okay , okay . 1244.14 1244.57 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1246.272 1247.152 1246.29 1247.12 Um . 1247.12 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1248.176 1250.88 1248.24 1250.88 So , okay yeah , battery definitely , 1248.95 1249.54 1250.77 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1250.816 1254.88 1250.86 1254.85 So it looks like we're gonna get rid of the whole loca locator thing . 1254.85 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1254.88 1262.944 1254.96 1262.84 It looks like it unless we can manage to put it in under point two Euros , um . 1261.36 1262.84 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1254.905 1255.466 1254.98 1255.24 Yeah . 1255.24 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1259.888 1260.784 1259.888 1260.54 Okay . 1260.54 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1261.808 1264.352 1261.808 1264.29 Okay . 1264.29 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1264.272 1271.264 1264.42 1271.264 Maybe even slight well oh yeah , pretty much point two Euros , I'd say . So we'll leave that one for now . we'll just have 1266.32 1267.51 1268.9 1270.8 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1264.549 1265.33 1264.81 1265.12 Mm-hmm . 1265.12 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1270.832 1273.296 1270.85 1273.11 Are we going for a special colour at all ? 1273.11 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1273.702 1275.968 1273.77 1275.93 It's uh a case of um - ES2003d B MEE009 1 1276.992 1287.056 1277.01 1286.96 I'm uh slightly unsure . One point five of a Euro for one push button doesn't sound quite right . So maybe it's a case of a push button is maybe one or more . 1279.52 1282.84 1286.96 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1288.448 1289.248 1288.47 1289.14 Um . 1289.14 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1288.368 1289.536 1288.51 1289.19 Mm . 1289.19 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1289.456 1291.6 1289.48 1291.5 Well I was for a case . 1291.5 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1290.256 1291.088 1290.28 1291.088 At which point if - ES2003d D MEE010 3 1293.302 1295.607 1293.51 1295.49 Or had you already incorporated that ? 1295.49 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1295.44 1297.376 1295.66 1297.34 Oh , special colour for the case . 1295.94 1297.34 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1297.824 1307.136 1297.96 1307.03 Well you got point five there . It's literally a case of whether or not this is correct . I'm not quite sure if they're I don't think they mean point five Euros per button . 1299.32 1302.47 1307.03 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1307.152 1307.709 1307.18 1307.43 Mm-hmm . 1307.43 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1305.936 1322.066 1307.19 1321.84 Okay , well l let's say that and then we can have our special coloured case and then we at least have make it a little harder to lose . Because most m most remotes are a fairly dingy colour that gets camouflaged under any pile of crap in a living room . 1307.59 1315.22 1321.84 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1308.257 1309.134 1308.57 1308.88 So - ES2003d B MEE009 1 1314.544 1315.296 1314.59 1315.04 There we go . 1315.04 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1321.136 1323.2 1321.16 1323.14 W what's the default colour ? White or black ? 1322.44 1323.14 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1323.968 1337.258 1324.48 1337.15 Black's probably the normal colour you'd say , yeah . I quite like that colour that you're fetching there , it's uh definitely for make it glow in the dark even better . So 1326.14 1327.98 1329.79 1336.29 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1325.81 1327.104 1326.14 1326.88 Or grey . 1326.88 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1326.704 1327.072 1326.72 1327.02 Right . 1327.02 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1328.53 1329.264 1328.58 1329.22 Yellow . 1329.22 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1334.288 1334.576 1334.34 1334.54 Yeah . 1334.54 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1338.528 1339.984 1338.55 1339.49 will we go with that then ? 1339.49 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1341.181 1342.144 1341.33 1341.97 Okay . 1341.97 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1342.064 1342.4 1342.16 1342.37 Yeah . 1342.37 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1342.352 1349.792 1342.4 1349.71 It's not and we can see we'll come back to uh your evaluation which you're probably now going to pan us but there we go . 1349.71 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1344.112 1345.548 1344.112 1345.5 Sure . 1345.5 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1348.864 1354.016 1349.01 1354.016 Okay . Okay . So uh 1350.33 1351.94 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1353.792 1361.264 1353.81 1361.23 Just to give you an idea , um you want to go maybe a bit quickly as well , I'm not sure how much time . We've not hit the five minute mark warning yet , but . 1355.07 1357.8 1358.67 1361.1 1361.23 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1360.416 1361.568 1360.48 1361.52 Right okay . Okay . 1361.18 1361.52 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1361.634 1363.605 1361.82 1363.605 Think it's ten minutes left . 1363.42 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1363.488 1363.76 1363.51 1363.71 Ten . 1363.71 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1363.764 1368.08 1363.92 1367.96 'Kay . Ability to stop remotes from being lost or to find them once they are lost . 1364.51 1367.96 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1369.36 1372.416 1369.38 1372.34 Um . Okay . Special colour . 1370.31 1371.63 1372.34 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1370.211 1371.44 1370.49 1371.31 Special colour . 1371.31 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1372.438 1377.866 1372.87 1377.71 Mm mm four ? Three ? Mm . 1376.15 1376.9 1377.71 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1373.552 1376.368 1373.7 1376.33 Uh uh four . 1376.33 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1377.6 1379.786 1377.65 1379.55 Three if we're being generous , I feel . 1379.18 1379.55 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1377.771 1380.56 1377.97 1380.53 Three . I think we can do three . 1379.09 1380.53 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1380.48 1381.008 1380.5 1380.91 Three . 1380.91 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1380.873 1390.95 1380.873 1390.95 Th the special colour doesn't would I think make a difference . It makes it stand out from you know it's lost in a big pile of crap , it stands out from the rest of the crap . 1384.37 1387.76 1390.71 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1380.832 1382.32 1380.92 1382.24 Think we're being generous here with three . 1382.24 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1386.241 1386.686 1386.36 1386.55 Mm . 1386.55 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1389.584 1395.312 1389.61 1395.2 Yeah . Okay . Reduce the number of unused buttons . We're down to t two buttons , is it ? 1391.1 1392.02 1393.73 1394.93 1395.2 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1390.501 1391.28 1390.84 1391.25 Okay . 1391.25 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1395.392 1396.649 1395.62 1396.43 Two buttons . 1396.43 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1395.616 1397.235 1395.64 1397.09 Two buttons and a joystick . 1397.09 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1396.848 1399.056 1396.91 1399.056 Okay , so that's a one . You know , where that's 1397.16 1397.97 1398.24 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1398.576 1399.808 1398.6 1399.13 Totally . 1399.13 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1398.846 1402.128 1398.94 1401.82 Yeah . I'd say we're doing well there . 1399.73 1401.82 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1400.96 1417.242 1401.0 1417.242 Okay , that was good . Easy to use interface , buttons menu , menus that's yeah that's good . 'Kay that's we're not doing so badly . Um easy to use oh okay , let's forget that one . Fancy looking . 1401.29 1402.78 1404.73 1405.6 1408.98 1410.97 1414.13 1415.52 1417.15 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1414.769 1415.488 1414.84 1415.39 Mm-hmm . 1415.39 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1418.096 1419.728 1418.096 1419.728 As he models the - ES2003d A MEE011 0 1418.531 1420.976 1418.77 1420.94 It doesn't get much fancier . 1420.94 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1420.352 1428.88 1420.37 1428.85 Sure . And we could do whatever we like with the L_ L_C_D_ . Yeah let's just assume it's a good L_C_D_ display . Maybe I was panicking for no reason . 1420.91 1424.32 1427.24 1428.85 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1427.894 1435.088 1428.4 1435.05 Are we going one on ? I'd say we go two , 'cause like f the fanciest would be the double curved . 1430.58 1431.67 1435.05 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1435.993 1440.496 1436.04 1440.46 Yeah , w maybe you'd be a bit too yeah . There we go . Yeah , that's m 1436.7 1439.28 1439.92 1440.11 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1436.005 1436.779 1436.13 1436.66 Wouldn't it ? 1436.66 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1435.997 1436.803 1436.3 1436.803 I'd - ES2003d A MEE011 0 1436.448 1436.944 1436.47 1436.91 Mm . 1436.91 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1437.568 1438.96 1437.6 1438.96 Yeah . 1438.79 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1437.714 1439.3 1437.88 1439.27 With the articulators . 1439.27 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1439.842 1441.84 1440.03 1441.67 With bells on it . 1441.67 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1441.632 1456.273 1441.99 1456.273 that's that's better too . More accurate numbers . Technologically innovative . Well , we're getting rid of the locator thing which which yeah 1445.19 1446.89 1449.85 1450.33 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1452.496 1453.536 1452.52 1453.45 Which is a shame . 1453.45 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1453.933 1471.856 1454.32 1471.8 Mm . I'd give it a three for this for that . Yeah . I mean the menus thing is something you don't normally see on um on a remote , but you see it in a lot of other places . 1455.52 1458.97 1460.01 1467.65 1471.8 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1455.68 1457.188 1455.7 1457.12 No need for teletext . 1457.12 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1458.208 1458.896 1458.208 1458.896 . 1458.896 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1460.024 1460.518 1460.09 1460.32 'Kay . 1460.32 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1472.176 1479.488 1472.2 1479.488 Yeah , mobile phones . And y what you're doing is moving the menu from the television to the remote control , so it's 1472.94 1474.25 1479.05 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1473.786 1474.864 1474.09 1474.83 Mm . 1474.83 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1479.824 1480.672 1479.86 1480.42 Mm-hmm . 1480.42 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1480.592 1483.981 1480.61 1483.83 You say three ? I might go as far as two on that . Three . 1481.66 1483.35 1483.83 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1484.413 1486.0 1484.61 1485.62 I'd give it a three . 1485.62 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1484.565 1487.468 1484.85 1487.31 I'd be tempted with three , yeah . 1486.62 1487.31 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1486.372 1487.344 1486.49 1487.31 Three . Okay . 1487.05 1487.31 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1489.622 1490.592 1489.87 1490.53 Okay . 1490.53 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1489.792 1491.888 1489.97 1491.81 We'll get panned on the next one , anyway . 1491.37 1491.81 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1491.808 1498.168 1492.19 1497.67 Materials that people find pleasing . Sponginess is what they really would have wanted , apparently . 1494.78 1497.08 1497.67 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1494.695 1495.768 1494.82 1495.4 Yeah , w 1495.22 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1497.312 1512.96 1497.33 1512.67 It is , yeah . Don't blame them . Um because of the way that we've minimalised the number of buttons and such . Plastic , it sucks . But it's no worse than any of the other pl remote controls we have . 1497.88 1498.44 1499.83 1507.29 1507.92 1508.94 1512.67 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1505.438 1505.824 1505.56 1505.78 Yeah . 1505.78 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1511.924 1514.264 1512.31 1514.23 That's true . It's not a step backwards . 1512.99 1514.23 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1514.4 1517.327 1514.4 1517.21 five ? Six ? 1516.68 1517.21 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1515.427 1516.193 1515.66 1515.91 Mm-hmm . 1515.91 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1516.836 1520.174 1516.91 1519.4 I'd s I I'd give it a six , to be honest . 1518.88 1519.4 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1518.368 1519.112 1518.39 1519.04 Six , . 1519.04 1519.04 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1518.768 1533.376 1518.768 1533.28 Yeah , okay let's give it a six . Okay , that's totally thrown everything off balance . Inspired by the latest interior and clothing fashion . W we could . What colour were we gonna make it ? 1520.62 1524.22 1524.75 1527.66 1530.48 1531.72 1533.28 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1532.511 1534.736 1532.74 1534.736 Put a leopard print on it . 1534.52 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1533.84 1546.592 1533.86 1546.56 Well I I I would sa I would say give a s give a selection of colours . Um we went with yellow we went with yellow for the prototype 'cause we had yellow . If I were buying one , I'd go for purple . Leopard print would be cool . 1538.54 1543.01 1543.89 1545.65 1546.56 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1539.088 1540.481 1539.68 1540.481 I know , but 1539.9 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1546.546 1551.616 1546.87 1551.616 But um by this I think it's more a case of fruit and veg , 1551.52 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1550.4 1558.112 1550.42 1557.97 Yeah we gotta . I'd say the colour of the border there world you'd find that , that's that'd stand out . 1551.06 1556.85 1557.97 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1552.273 1553.008 1552.273 1552.97 Yeah . 1552.97 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1557.984 1568.432 1558.53 1568.4 Like yellow , yeah . It would also help keep the the product placement s yeah . Is it inspired by clothing fashion ? 1558.98 1559.23 1565.83 1568.4 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1562.944 1564.672 1562.96 1564.63 Logo , brand . 1564.2 1564.63 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1564.096 1564.432 1564.14 1564.4 Mm . 1564.4 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1565.605 1566.723 1565.71 1566.38 Mm 'kay . 1566.38 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1565.664 1566.511 1565.77 1566.511 But - ES2003d C MEE012 2 1568.144 1570.912 1568.16 1570.87 Th th they're referring to the fruit and veg thing . 1570.87 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1573.445 1579.392 1573.69 1579.392 Is this like a banana type colour ? Could we stretch no still , it's not shaped like a banana is 1576.02 1577.79 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1577.256 1578.258 1577.49 1577.93 Yes . 1577.93 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1579.68 1584.192 1579.7 1584.192 It's kind o it probably - ES2003d A MEE011 0 1579.86 1580.808 1580.02 1580.808 That's kinda - ES2003d A MEE011 0 1581.111 1583.408 1581.111 1583.18 i it won't be when it's been - ES2003d C MEE012 2 1583.996 1588.875 1584.18 1588.74 Oh is that 'cause it's flat ? What is what fruit or veg is flat ? 1586.16 1588.74 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1584.876 1586.224 1585.06 1585.9 budgeted . 1585.9 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1589.68 1596.048 1589.72 1596.01 I I think s I I think this isn't not particularly fruit and veggie . Um . 1595.48 1596.01 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1594.88 1603.712 1594.94 1603.712 Yeah . Or we might have to suffer badly for this one as well . 1596.14 1603.56 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1597.349 1599.152 1597.81 1598.95 Yellow courgette . 1598.95 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1600.096 1609.872 1600.096 1609.82 Well I mean it's probably more fruit and veg than most other things out there bar fruit and veg , so , what , four ? 1607.92 1608.95 1609.17 1609.82 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1609.92 1614.112 1610.07 1614.05 Four ? Oh that's it's very ambitious , yeah , um . 1611.14 1613.34 1613.74 1614.05 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1611.968 1613.31 1611.99 1613.18 Is that being too generous ? 1613.18 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1612.932 1631.712 1613.22 1631.65 Mm . I'd I'd I don't think fruit and veg is the sole criterion . Is the sole criterion for being um fashion fashionable or inspired by current fashions . Um I'd g I'd rate I'd rate this fairly highly from that point of view actually . 1614.29 1619.66 1626.76 1631.65 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1618.432 1620.861 1618.61 1619.39 Oh dear , . 1619.39 1619.39 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1618.676 1619.796 1619.05 1619.3 Sure . 1619.3 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1622.752 1623.68 1622.8 1623.5 Inspired by . 1623.5 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1631.632 1636.624 1631.72 1636.59 Well this this what we're gonna t this is their motto , like . And we're we're not doing well on it . 1634.23 1635.3 1636.59 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1634.528 1635.2 1634.73 1635.13 Yeah . 1635.13 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1636.592 1637.776 1636.62 1637.74 This is their strategy . 1637.74 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1638.768 1649.232 1638.79 1649.11 I m imagine we actually had some money invested in this and the amount that we invest is gonna be proportional to the marks . Might we might wanna be a bit more skepible sceptical about 1645.56 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1650.288 1651.008 1650.38 1650.86 this one . 1650.86 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1653.311 1654.848 1653.52 1654.64 What would you think yourself ? 1654.64 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1654.768 1663.44 1654.84 1663.39 I would say I mean it's it's not at all , right ? In any way or shape or form . We didn't m 1658.47 1659.84 1662.87 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1662.657 1668.192 1662.88 1668.01 Well , it's kind of curved and we can make it yellow , and that's pretty much banana like . 1663.21 1665.84 1668.01 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1667.952 1671.824 1667.97 1671.77 Okay , the the yellow banana like thing is I think is okay . 1668.23 1671.77 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1671.496 1672.912 1671.52 1672.85 Si it's got a curve to it . 1672.85 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1673.514 1676.224 1673.67 1676.19 Right five . Is that sound reasonable ? 1674.48 1676.19 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1677.363 1680.752 1677.63 1680.56 Am I do you think I'm stretching the uh the use of the banana ? 1680.56 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1677.424 1679.178 1677.85 1678.88 Yeah , I'll go with five . 1678.09 1678.88 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1679.028 1679.784 1679.12 1679.53 Five . 1679.53 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1680.568 1681.76 1680.568 1681.62 Yeah . 1681.62 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1686.664 1690.912 1686.73 1690.52 'Kay , so we have one , two , three , four , five , six , seven . 1687.02 1688.19 1688.42 1688.66 1688.93 1689.24 1689.94 1690.52 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1693.056 1698.224 1693.73 1698.03 So five , seven , ten , sixteen , twenty one . 1694.95 1695.56 1695.97 1697.11 1698.03 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1699.485 1701.776 1699.66 1701.68 Which gives us an average of three . 1701.68 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1703.424 1712.112 1703.44 1712.06 It's well this would be in the middle . So we it's it's not bad . It's in the good section . 1707.71 1710.84 1712.06 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1712.736 1719.888 1712.76 1719.73 It's not bad and considering the don't pick the pen . Um . 1719.18 1719.73 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1716.848 1721.628 1716.848 1721.56 Oops . Sorry . I'm I'm sorry . 1718.3 1720.55 1721.56 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1722.911 1739.136 1723.16 1739.08 Y oh and you've knocked batteries out . Um right okay it's considering the price we had to get this in , to have a positive you know , even based on the four of us being heavily biased , um 1726.84 1732.83 1735.09 1738.24 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1727.251 1729.202 1727.39 1728.75 'S bad design , that thing . 1728.37 1728.75 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1732.704 1733.319 1732.77 1733.11 Mm-hmm . 1733.11 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1739.579 1740.368 1739.87 1740.22 Yeah . 1740.22 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1740.704 1748.416 1740.704 1748.36 it was gonna be quite hard to get anything standing out I'd say possibly , based on 1747.39 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1750.304 1752.461 1750.32 1752.33 um the the cost features . 1752.33 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1753.936 1755.568 1754.0 1755.16 Mm , yeah . 1754.82 1755.16 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1754.352 1754.864 1754.38 1754.82 Mm . 1754.82 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1754.483 1787.136 1754.79 1787.1 Even if we were to increase this entire thing by by seven , we were to go down a grade to to four , we would have to do I mean we didn't we weren't that kinda optimistic too optim overly optimistic . You know like we didn't we didn't add we didn't subtract a whole seven points from these things , so I think we're definitely on the good bit . Even if we gave this one seven and this one seven , that's still only three extra points over seven . You know , it's yeah , we did it w it was okay . It was good . 1759.25 1761.78 1769.71 1773.98 1776.72 1779.72 1783.33 1783.65 1785.08 1786.37 1787.1 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1784.83 1785.332 1784.86 1785.17 Mm . 1785.17 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1787.536 1788.304 1787.56 1788.27 Personally , 1788.27 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1789.456 1792.096 1789.48 1792.06 I think given that - ES2003d A MEE011 0 1793.2 1795.92 1793.22 1795.87 the product um - ES2003d A MEE011 0 1798.64 1803.36 1798.66 1803.18 only replaces a single remote control that you've already got , 1803.18 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1805.104 1809.749 1805.12 1809.5 are people really gonna shell out twenty five Euros for something that's only marginally good ? 1809.5 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1812.47 1818.016 1812.54 1817.98 Well , it depends who your who's what the target people are , like you'd say 1813.42 1817.28 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1820.192 1823.552 1820.31 1823.44 maybe the fashion conscious - ES2003d B MEE009 1 1824.1 1825.978 1824.2 1825.978 Maybe it's been targeted - ES2003d D MEE010 3 1824.314 1828.8 1824.58 1828.77 women would be going , oh look at that , 's cool , it looks like a it's 1825.54 1826.33 1826.8 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1828.016 1828.352 1828.04 1828.3 Mm-hmm . 1828.3 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1829.596 1832.832 1829.71 1832.73 yellow , looks like a banana , it's cool it's gotta look good in the sitting room . 1830.25 1830.92 1832.73 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1834.544 1836.592 1834.64 1836.53 Hide it in the fruit basket . 1836.53 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1835.04 1849.099 1835.06 1849.02 Rather than the L_C_D_ whereas uh more technical like like more uh people in with the latest technology it's good , it's got an L_C_D_ screen 's only got two buttons and a joystick . 1844.75 1849.02 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1850.048 1850.656 1850.07 1850.62 So , 1850.62 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1852.32 1853.983 1852.34 1853.93 which which kind of people would be more - ES2003d D MEE010 3 1854.848 1855.824 1854.87 1855.66 likely to buy it ? 1855.66 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1857.744 1861.488 1857.76 1861.05 Probably the people technologically . They're usually the ones that buy pointless stuff . 1859.27 1861.05 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1861.152 1871.664 1861.17 1871.3 I think so . I mean my mum still has not learnt how to use text messaging on her phone , and she's had it for a long time , you know . She uses it to make phone calls and that's it . 1862.55 1867.12 1868.36 1868.97 1871.3 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1871.584 1872.697 1871.584 1872.697 . 1872.697 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1872.864 1893.12 1872.92 1893.06 Yeah . So I think if sh if my mum saw a remote control like this with only two buttons and a joystick , I mean that'll probably be the first one she decides not to buy , you know . She'd be like is this a remote control , I don't how do you use it , and stuff like that . So even if it is really user friendly to us , but we're used to using menus all the time . 1873.88 1879.16 1882.58 1883.54 1885.2 1886.35 1887.96 1890.65 1893.06 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1883.059 1884.001 1883.31 1883.89 Mm-hmm . 1883.89 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1893.968 1899.296 1894.0 1899.2 Mm-hmm . I s I suppose one thing is that b because it's technically innovative , 1894.5 1899.2 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1899.968 1907.696 1899.99 1907.66 um for someone who's sort of technophobic , the fact that it simply looks unfamiliar would be daunting . 1903.92 1907.66 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1906.544 1906.8 1906.56 1906.77 Yeah . 1906.77 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1908.672 1914.208 1908.69 1914.17 Yeah . I think it's totally uh radical to have a remote control with no no numbered buttons , yeah . 1909.27 1913.97 1914.17 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1909.232 1909.808 1909.41 1909.77 Um . 1909.77 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1912.413 1913.235 1912.62 1913.08 Yeah . 1913.08 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1914.288 1914.48 1914.31 1914.45 Yeah . 1914.45 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1916.064 1917.792 1916.18 1917.64 But like radical good , maybe . 1917.43 1917.64 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1918.672 1929.088 1918.85 1929.05 Okay . Um don't know how lo much longer we've got . At least five minutes I think . Um quickly we'll pop onto project evaluation . Um . 1919.4 1921.81 1923.78 1927.57 1929.05 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1930.496 1932.073 1930.74 1931.98 So , 1931.98 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1934.624 1938.544 1934.64 1938.49 we've got these uh four criteria here for uh satisfaction . 1938.49 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1940.016 1941.68 1940.05 1941.54 Does anybody want to um - ES2003d B MEE009 1 1943.89 1960.512 1944.02 1960.35 um do you have any opinions on any of them ? For example um we'll work backwards I suppose . The ability to work on this project using the technology we've been presented with . Um people made good use of the 1946.45 1950.53 1956.79 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1961.632 1963.28 1961.69 1963.0 uh pen and paper ? 1963.0 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1964.368 1966.416 1964.39 1966.416 I would say - ES2003d C MEE012 2 1964.425 1970.4 1964.425 1970.08 Wrote nearly a page , but not . 1968.6 1970.08 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1964.48 1966.304 1964.5 1966.27 Yeah , got notes and doodles . 1964.92 1966.27 ES2003d D MEE010 3 1965.552 1965.76 1965.57 1965.73 Yeah . 1965.73 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1970.928 1975.952 1971.03 1975.54 I'm not quite sure what the advantage for us using a digital pen might be . 1975.54 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1975.904 1977.104 1975.94 1977.06 I think tracking . 1977.06 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1976.224 1979.136 1976.24 1979.1 Well I think this is a I think the digital pen's mostly for the benefit of the uh - ES2003d B MEE009 1 1978.112 1978.966 1978.35 1978.93 Mm . 1978.93 ES2003d A MEE011 0 1980.576 1988.176 1980.6 1988.14 of the researchers studying this . It's all p goes into their corpus . Though it would have been nice to be able to transfer the um 1982.31 1984.93 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1984.672 1985.699 1984.93 1985.699 It must - ES2003d A MEE011 0 1989.184 1992.256 1989.45 1992.22 transfer our n our paper notes onto the uh - ES2003d A MEE011 0 1993.392 1994.352 1993.41 1994.32 computer ourselves . 1994.32 ES2003d C MEE012 2 1994.528 1996.032 1994.58 1995.94 Yeah , that woulda been pretty good . 1994.87 1995.94 ES2003d B MEE009 1 1995.833 2005.808 1996.08 2005.77 It does seem like the paper's still a heavy consideration for taking notes . So maybe this is literally just a way around it . Um I dunno . 2001.85 2003.73 2005.77 ES2003d B MEE009 1 2007.52 2011.757 2007.66 2011.46 How are people satisfied with the teamwork we've managed to display today ? 2011.46 ES2003d D MEE010 3 2012.566 2013.299 2012.83 2013.02 Good . 2013.02 ES2003d A MEE011 0 2013.078 2014.116 2013.078 2014.116 . 2014.116 ES2003d C MEE012 2 2013.031 2014.348 2013.18 2014.22 I'd yeah I liked it , yeah . 2014.0 2014.22 ES2003d B MEE009 1 2018.707 2024.272 2018.87 2024.07 Leadership . As much as can be leadered in this uh thing . 2020.98 2024.07 ES2003d D MEE010 3 2023.536 2024.022 2023.56 2023.87 Very good . 2023.87 ES2003d C MEE012 2 2024.192 2025.904 2024.3 2025.86 I li yeah , top marks . 2025.31 2025.86 ES2003d B MEE009 1 2026.976 2033.232 2027.02 2033.232 Um last one we've got is room for creativity . Now , I think we got 2030.8 2032.33 ES2003d C MEE012 2 2030.456 2044.176 2030.456 2044.14 Well yeah . We we're not lacking in ideas , you know it's that was not the problem . 2039.4 2042.11 2044.14 ES2003d A MEE011 0 2031.05 2037.588 2031.05 2037.05 Unti uh uh until uh until accounts came along , squish . 2036.09 2037.05 ES2003d D MEE010 3 2036.224 2039.488 2036.24 2039.03 We're burs bursting with creativity . 2039.03 ES2003d B MEE009 1 2045.264 2062.88 2045.41 2062.85 Yeah I think of in the end , ideas that can be used sadly . Not so much that we weren't full of ideas , but of ones that are gonna allow us to actually build the thing . It's a bit of a pity . Um I would have to agree on that . I think we needed a larger budget . 2048.45 2051.72 2053.45 2057.02 2058.55 2061.48 2062.85 ES2003d C MEE012 2 2056.72 2057.184 2056.75 2057.05 Mm-hmm . 2057.05 ES2003d C MEE012 2 2063.44 2063.824 2063.46 2063.72 Yeah . 2063.72 ES2003d B MEE009 1 2063.92 2075.264 2064.1 2075.264 If you're going to aim your a um product maybe at the technological kind of sector , then you can afford to maybe jack the price up slightly from what it is . Because they will pay outrageous cash to 2068.84 2072.67 ES2003d A MEE011 0 2072.619 2073.258 2072.75 2073.19 Yeah . 2073.19 ES2003d A MEE011 0 2075.936 2091.376 2075.97 2091.34 Mm . I mean I th I mean I think to r retaining the s the more sort of bio-morphic form in the articulation would gain more in s uh would gain more profit in sales than it would lose in uh 2076.32 ES2003d B MEE009 1 2076.333 2077.247 2076.35 2077.21 first on the market . 2077.21 ES2003d A MEE011 0 2092.672 2094.112 2092.76 2094.08 in added expense . 2094.08 ES2003d B MEE009 1 2094.663 2095.59 2094.79 2095.41 Mm . 2095.41 ES2003d D MEE010 3 2096.352 2098.928 2096.37 2098.88 And the price was like it was twice the - ES2003d D MEE010 3 2100.208 2110.992 2100.23 2110.96 w assembly cost . And would it have to be twice that ? It could be like coulda had the assembly like maybe fifteen Euro . 2102.56 2105.75 2110.96 ES2003d B MEE009 1 2111.967 2112.943 2112.14 2112.943 It could even - ES2003d D MEE010 3 2111.715 2113.664 2112.2 2113.55 We'll still settle for twenty five . 2113.55 ES2003d B MEE009 1 2115.168 2127.296 2115.25 2126.72 That's true , yeah . Um I suppose these are all that will have to be taken up with a at a different group at I guess . As to a the costs involved . 2115.97 2116.78 2123.73 2126.72 ES2003d D MEE010 3 2115.237 2115.92 2115.31 2115.69 Maybe . 2115.69 ES2003d B MEE009 1 2128.48 2129.424 2128.5 2129.39 But I mean - ES2003d B MEE009 1 2130.544 2132.812 2130.57 2132.76 we've got a a prototype . 2132.76 ES2003d A MEE011 0 2133.798 2135.335 2133.87 2134.71 Such as it is . 2134.71 ES2003d B MEE009 1 2134.722 2140.912 2134.722 2140.85 So I dunno , I I think it's gone okay today , considering the information that we've 2137.55 2139.21 ES2003d B MEE009 1 2142.096 2144.408 2142.12 2144.35 had at our disposal , and um such . 2143.06 2144.35 ES2003d C MEE012 2 2143.76 2147.6 2143.84 2147.6 Maybe the counts wou woulda been better if we had a list or more - ES2003d C MEE012 2 2148.752 2151.088 2148.77 2151.05 Yeah , to begin with . Yeah . 2149.2 2150.68 2151.05 ES2003d D MEE010 3 2149.872 2150.834 2149.89 2150.8 In the beginning , yeah . 2150.59 2150.8 ES2003d B MEE009 1 2151.888 2171.472 2152.21 2171.43 Probably would have mean we could have come up with a lot more solid design in the end , I would have to agree . It is very much a pity to um get so far into the stage and then find out that maybe some of your ideas are just a bit too expensive . Always hard to tell until you know the costs . Um . 2156.32 2157.56 2167.6 2170.79 2171.43 ES2003d C MEE012 2 2155.2 2155.664 2155.22 2155.46 Yeah . 2155.46 ES2003d B MEE009 1 2175.52 2189.66 2175.58 2189.1 Okay . Are the costs within budget ? Well , they are now that we have our slightly less than capable product . We've evaluated it , and we can say that we came out with a value of three . 2178.07 2179.65 2180.73 2185.56 2186.71 2189.1 ES2003d C MEE012 2 2184.388 2185.071 2184.58 2184.86 Okay . 2184.86 ES2003d C MEE012 2 2190.048 2190.368 2190.07 2190.31 Yeah . 2190.31 ES2003d A MEE011 0 2191.984 2211.28 2192.0 2211.19 Actually I want th one thing I would say I mean something that could perhaps be part of the product mm the um m product testing market research process would be to uh produce mock-ups of both versions and see just how much of a difference the over going over-budget - ES2003d A MEE011 0 2212.272 2214.032 2212.32 2213.98 um m would make to sales . 2213.98 ES2003d B MEE009 1 2214.608 2216.096 2215.04 2216.04 It's yeah ? 2216.04 ES2003d C MEE012 2 2216.016 2218.832 2216.09 2218.54 And like response from consumers . 2218.54 ES2003d A MEE011 0 2218.151 2221.889 2218.53 2221.74 And we could even you know , market two versions . 2220.39 2221.74 ES2003d A MEE011 0 2225.472 2229.689 2225.49 2229.689 Wee cheapie version with the nice bio-morphic rubber . 2229.46 ES2003d B MEE009 1 2228.736 2244.608 2231.7 2244.608 And then the final one where you get to call it Hal . But we'll go into that later . Right um is there anything else that anybody would like to to add , um 2234.89 2237.58 2243.31 ES2003d C MEE012 2 2234.437 2236.576 2234.437 2236.52 Sure . 2236.52 ES2003d A MEE011 0 2234.786 2235.917 2235.01 2235.72 Yes . 2235.72 ES2003d B MEE009 1 2245.728 2253.696 2245.75 2253.52 anything they think that's not been covered , before I quickly write up a final report . 2247.54 2253.52 ES2003d B MEE009 1 2254.8 2260.48 2254.82 2260.45 Um I dunno , I mean we've got a product . We maybe aren't as happy with it as we'd like to be , but 2256.34 2257.89 2260.21 ES2003d B MEE009 1 2262.896 2266.16 2262.95 2266.11 we've got something we think we can maybe stick onto the the market and sell . 2266.11 ES2003d B MEE009 1 2268.368 2280.08 2268.45 2280.04 And of course something we have been avoiding talking about 'cause of we've no information is selling them directly to the manufacturers . There is a huge market . I mean we've briefly touched on it but we've no more knowledge then there's little we can say on that . 2275.56 2276.41 2280.04 ES2003d C MEE012 2 2275.136 2275.6 2275.32 2275.56 Yeah . 2275.56 ES2003d C MEE012 2 2280.256 2280.64 2280.28 2280.49 Yeah . 2280.49 ES2003d A MEE011 0 2281.728 2282.064 2281.75 2281.95 Mm . 2281.95 ES2003d B MEE009 1 2286.448 2288.0 2286.78 2287.71 Yeah . 2287.71 ES2003d B MEE009 1 2289.6 2302.192 2289.79 2302.13 So um unless anybody's got anything they'd like to add , we can maybe round this up slightly earlier than we'd need to and then we can finish up the writing and such . 2295.25 2302.13 ES2003d A MEE011 0 2300.448 2302.074 2300.47 2301.59 And I can get my bus . 2301.59 ES2003d B MEE009 1 2303.808 2304.448 2303.99 2304.31 Yeah ? 2304.31 ES2003d A MEE011 0 2304.262 2305.028 2304.4 2304.77 Okay . 2304.77 ES2003d C MEE012 2 2304.4 2304.656 2304.42 2304.57 Yeah . 2304.57 ES2003d C MEE012 2 2305.856 2307.536 2306.62 2307.536 Okay , let's 2307.03 ES2003d B MEE009 1 2308.17 2311.516 2309.0 2311.3 Uh thank you for your participation . 2311.3 ES2003d C MEE012 2 2310.768 2311.152 2310.79 2311.12 Thank you . 2311.12 ES2003d A MEE011 0 2311.538 2312.365 2311.64 2312.09 Thank you . 2312.09 ES2003d C MEE012 2 2313.056 2327.84 2313.056 2327.81 I was actually kind of upset you know at the budget , and that we had to cut a lot of stuff . It's like man , we we can't have the locator thing . 2321.86 2324.66 2325.29 2327.81 ES2003d C MEE012 2 2328.928 2331.035 2328.95 2331.0 And s yeah that's just bad . 2331.0 ES2003d C MEE012 2 2333.52 2337.871 2333.54 2337.7 Do you think maybe the prices were were made ? 2337.7 ES2003d B MEE009 1 2340.919 2345.489 2341.22 2342.32 That a question we can ask . 2344.85 ES2004a A MEO015 0 0.0 1.792 0.37 1.76 Hmm hmm hmm . 1.76 ES2004a B FEE013 1 10.944 14.737 10.99 14.53 Are we we're not allowed to dim the lights so people can see that a bit better ? 14.53 ES2004a A MEO015 0 17.619 18.391 17.88 18.15 Yeah . 18.15 ES2004a B FEE013 1 18.722 20.32 18.87 20.29 Okay , that's fine . 19.7 20.29 ES2004a B FEE013 1 22.352 23.872 22.37 23.81 Am I supposed to be standing up there ? 23.81 ES2004a D FEE016 3 24.992 27.024 25.15 26.83 So we've got both of these clipped on ? 26.83 ES2004a B FEE013 1 25.163 25.98 25.18 25.6 Okay . 25.6 ES2004a D FEE016 3 28.56 30.59 29.12 30.48 She gonna answer me or not ? 30.48 ES2004a B FEE013 1 29.098 32.297 29.86 32.297 Yeah , I've got 30.07 ES2004a D FEE016 3 31.28 33.48 31.3 33.39 Right , both of them , okay . 31.69 32.48 33.39 ES2004a B FEE013 1 34.112 34.764 34.26 34.72 Yes . 34.72 ES2004a D FEE016 3 42.017 43.386 42.63 43.29 God . 43.29 ES2004a D FEE016 3 49.613 53.228 49.75 53.18 Jesus , it's gonna fall off . 50.44 53.18 ES2004a A MEO015 0 63.063 66.416 63.81 66.416 Okay . Yep , yep . 64.2 66.04 66.33 ES2004a A MEO015 0 71.087 72.624 71.95 72.06 Okay . 72.06 ES2004a B FEE013 1 80.272 94.743 80.49 94.743 Okay . Hello everybody . Um I'm Sarah , the Project Manager and this is our first meeting , surprisingly enough . Okay , this is our agenda , um 81.9 83.82 85.75 90.41 91.96 92.27 93.56 ES2004a A MEO015 0 80.443 81.985 80.5 81.66 Tu tu tu tu - ES2004a A MEO015 0 83.2 84.332 83.22 84.03 Hi , good morning . 83.56 84.03 ES2004a B FEE013 1 95.664 115.952 95.68 115.89 we will do some stuff , get to know each other a bit better to feel more comfortable with each other . Um then we'll go do tool training , talk about the project plan , discuss our own ideas and everything um and we've got twenty five minutes to do that , as far as I can understand . 98.39 101.93 106.28 108.14 114.5 115.89 ES2004a B FEE013 1 117.6 161.04 117.62 160.95 Now , we're developing a remote control which you probably already know . Um , we want it to be original , something that's uh people haven't thought of , that's not out in the shops , um , trendy , appealing to a wide market , but you know , not a hunk of metal , and user-friendly , grannies to kids , maybe even pooches should be able to use it . Okay , um , first is the functional design , um this is where we all go off and do our individual work , um what needs need to be fulfilled by the product , um what effects the product has to have and how it's actually going to do that . Um , conceptual design , 118.29 121.54 122.46 124.73 126.99 128.78 129.29 130.31 132.01 133.95 135.52 137.06 139.3 142.83 143.81 144.29 146.26 149.58 153.98 159.4 159.73 160.95 ES2004a B FEE013 1 162.288 167.904 162.31 167.8 what we're thinking , how it's gonna go and then the detailed design , how we're actually gonna put it into practice and make it work . 163.11 165.49 167.8 ES2004a A MEO015 0 168.768 169.04 168.79 168.88 'Kay . 168.88 ES2004a B FEE013 1 170.288 186.128 170.38 186.128 Okay , right . We're gonna practice with the pens and draw our favourite animal on the white board , I'll go first , and um sum up the characteristics of that animal . So 171.29 172.03 178.32 179.71 184.1 ES2004a A MEO015 0 187.957 188.461 188.28 188.43 Oops . 188.43 ES2004a B FEE013 1 188.577 192.976 188.83 192.976 Okay , I'll leave space for everyone else . Um 189.93 192.07 ES2004a B FEE013 1 211.44 212.016 211.46 211.97 What's missing ? 211.97 ES2004a B FEE013 1 243.2 244.432 243.22 244.33 We're running out of blue . 244.33 ES2004a B FEE013 1 246.912 250.64 246.93 250.6 Okay . I'm not gonna ask you to guess , I'm going to tell you that's supposed to be a tiger . 247.89 248.92 250.6 ES2004a A MEO015 0 252.157 252.833 252.48 252.56 Mm . 252.56 ES2004a B FEE013 1 254.512 257.44 254.53 257.24 And I see them as majestic , 257.24 ES2004a A MEO015 0 255.725 256.426 255.91 256.25 Oh sorry . 256.25 ES2004a A MEO015 0 257.875 258.688 258.31 258.64 Mm-hmm . 258.64 ES2004a B FEE013 1 259.872 262.388 259.89 262.25 and independent , 262.25 ES2004a B FEE013 1 266.16 267.072 266.18 266.97 and - ES2004a B FEE013 1 268.688 269.216 268.71 269.06 proud . 269.06 ES2004a B FEE013 1 272.208 275.84 272.31 275.8 Now , who would like to go next ? 'Kay . 272.47 275.42 275.8 ES2004a A MEO015 0 274.992 275.6 275.09 275.45 Yeah , me . 275.21 275.45 ES2004a A MEO015 0 277.312 279.795 277.312 279.75 Cat . 279.75 ES2004a A MEO015 0 284.816 287.36 285.15 286.61 Where did this come from ? 286.61 ES2004a B FEE013 1 287.482 290.368 287.57 290.1 Is that your lapel then ? There you go . 289.66 290.1 ES2004a A MEO015 0 289.072 296.176 289.09 296.02 Uh , yep . Thank you . Uh , maybe you can guess what I'm trying to make ? 290.03 290.68 293.32 294.05 296.02 ES2004a D FEE016 3 306.208 307.248 306.38 307.2 A kind of dog ? 307.2 ES2004a A MEO015 0 308.144 310.262 309.22 310.08 Yep . 310.08 ES2004a A MEO015 0 312.984 322.112 313.47 321.86 It's actually sitting , so it's sitting , it's not standing . Okay , I see it as one thing it's very supportive . 314.78 317.59 319.15 319.52 321.86 ES2004a C MEE014 2 315.696 317.696 315.696 317.4 It's sitting down . 317.4 ES2004a D FEE016 3 315.593 316.535 315.85 316.3 Sorry ? 316.3 ES2004a D FEE016 3 317.872 318.896 317.9 318.62 Uh . 318.62 ES2004a A MEO015 0 323.904 352.368 324.13 351.47 It's your best friend and your you can talk to a dog , it can be your best friend , it doesn't discriminate between you , based on what you are . Second it's loyal and third thing it's got intuition . dogs can som sometimes can make out between a thief and a person so basically these are the three unique features I think belong to a dog . Thank you . 327.01 327.73 329.71 331.36 340.96 351.06 351.47 ES2004a D FEE016 3 344.616 345.49 344.91 345.36 Mm-hmm . 345.36 ES2004a B FEE013 1 349.968 351.33 350.01 351.09 Okay , thank you . 350.59 351.09 ES2004a C MEE014 2 353.461 355.754 353.48 355.55 Yeah I'll have a go . 355.55 ES2004a A MEO015 0 353.873 354.929 354.11 354.82 Okay . 354.82 ES2004a A MEO015 0 356.083 357.213 356.33 356.9 Sorry . 356.9 ES2004a D FEE016 3 356.257 362.224 356.51 362.14 Please , please leave me a space at the bottom , I'm little , you can get to the top , with standing on a chair . 356.83 358.3 359.11 360.48 362.14 ES2004a C MEE014 2 356.773 357.433 356.98 357.37 Thanks . 357.37 ES2004a C MEE014 2 359.088 367.697 359.11 367.65 Alright , okay . Well since you guys have chosen the ones I wanted to do , I'll have to have to go for something a bit random . 359.55 361.74 364.48 367.65 ES2004a A MEO015 0 364.336 368.077 364.336 367.84 Does it look like a dog actually ? 367.84 ES2004a B FEE013 1 364.608 366.423 364.608 366.01 Okay . 366.01 ES2004a C MEE014 2 371.376 375.525 371.43 375.29 And also , my drawing skill isn't that great so , yeah . 372.17 375.0 375.29 ES2004a B FEE013 1 373.576 376.864 373.84 376.864 Well , as you can see , the quality of the work today is um 374.09 374.83 ES2004a A MEO015 0 374.885 375.843 375.08 375.43 Mm . 375.43 ES2004a D FEE016 3 376.784 379.584 376.8 379.584 I think it's outstandingly good . 378.94 ES2004a C MEE014 2 378.48 384.768 379.6 384.48 Okay , now I'm gonna have to change what is was originally gonna be because that looks like a beak now , so . 379.86 384.05 384.48 ES2004a C MEE014 2 390.412 406.304 390.412 406.27 Yeah , it can be a crocodile , it can be a crocodile . Well it was it was an at first firstly it was an attempt at a T_ Rex and then it sort of changed into a pelican but it can be a crocodile now actually . 394.65 395.89 397.95 406.27 ES2004a D FEE016 3 390.818 391.776 391.13 391.74 Crocodile ? 391.74 ES2004a B FEE013 1 393.968 395.001 393.99 394.92 Gonna be a bird . 394.92 ES2004a B FEE013 1 396.063 400.142 396.31 399.8 Is it gonna be it's gonna be a bird . 399.8 ES2004a D FEE016 3 403.097 403.707 403.24 403.35 O - ES2004a B FEE013 1 420.08 420.992 420.11 420.95 That's lovely . 420.95 ES2004a C MEE014 2 421.184 426.592 421.2 426.55 Yeah and uh I'll have to think on the spot of uh things that it is . Um 425.97 ES2004a D FEE016 3 421.182 422.34 421.44 422.34 Beauti that's - ES2004a C MEE014 2 428.096 430.32 428.12 430.22 uh scary , 430.22 ES2004a C MEE014 2 432.464 434.447 432.48 434.37 uh strong , 434.37 ES2004a C MEE014 2 438.344 442.4 438.74 441.99 yeah that's about it I think . 441.99 ES2004a B FEE013 1 439.803 441.808 439.85 441.77 Okay it's fine . 441.77 ES2004a D FEE016 3 440.149 442.369 440.149 442.12 Okay . 442.12 ES2004a D FEE016 3 443.136 450.928 443.16 450.85 Um , I'm very impressed with your artistic skills , mine's are dreadful . Oops this is now coming apart , let me just put the top in . 443.34 445.32 447.95 449.61 450.85 ES2004a C MEE014 2 445.082 446.682 445.23 446.682 Uh uh - ES2004a C MEE014 2 450.144 451.744 450.45 451.744 Wo - ES2004a D FEE016 3 453.968 457.059 454.0 456.94 I hope that clicks in , I'll just I'll hold it on , okay . 455.25 456.46 456.94 ES2004a D FEE016 3 457.872 460.64 457.97 460.57 Oops , oh dear , what happened there ? 458.48 459.83 460.57 ES2004a B FEE013 1 461.072 462.192 461.09 462.16 Technical help . 462.16 ES2004a D FEE016 3 465.36 470.88 465.38 470.88 Hopefully that'll stay on , two-handed version . Okay , uh 466.73 468.51 469.58 ES2004a C MEE014 2 465.28 466.028 465.48 465.99 Hmm . 465.99 ES2004a C MEE014 2 467.92 468.768 467.94 468.7 Okay . 468.7 ES2004a D FEE016 3 474.384 479.472 474.41 479.35 Again this is off the top of my head , I was gonna do a big cat too , um . 475.91 478.11 479.35 ES2004a C MEE014 2 476.672 477.792 476.71 477.792 Uh - ES2004a D FEE016 3 481.018 484.848 481.26 484.68 Oh dear , it doesn't look what like what I want it to be . 481.55 484.68 ES2004a B FEE013 1 481.248 481.719 481.27 481.66 Hmm . 481.66 ES2004a C MEE014 2 484.274 484.884 484.48 484.72 S - ES2004a D FEE016 3 486.928 487.747 487.1 487.71 Uh . 487.71 ES2004a C MEE014 2 487.408 487.92 487.43 487.92 Uh - ES2004a D FEE016 3 488.752 491.648 488.77 491.41 It's not a vampire bat honestly . 491.41 ES2004a B FEE013 1 489.66 491.405 489.66 491.34 Okay , yeah . 490.47 491.34 ES2004a D FEE016 3 492.88 518.752 492.9 518.66 Uh and somewhere there's a body behind . That's my dreadful that's the worst yet , that's it's meant to be an eagle you can tell it's a flying animal could have been a seagull , I never thought of a seagull . An eagle , um again I'm thinking on my feet goodness . I suppose they're all so independent , I'd put that one down again . Da dum um . 497.78 499.96 506.56 508.09 508.7 511.49 512.85 516.12 518.66 ES2004a C MEE014 2 497.126 500.592 497.4 499.98 Okay , some sort of bird . 497.87 499.98 ES2004a B FEE013 1 500.94 505.375 501.19 504.66 A seagu right , not a seagull . 502.71 504.66 ES2004a C MEE014 2 501.744 503.474 501.76 503.22 Ah eagle , right okay . 502.49 503.22 ES2004a A MEO015 0 501.616 502.854 501.78 502.67 Eagle , okay . 502.0 502.67 ES2004a C MEE014 2 519.744 521.013 519.87 520.95 They're good at golf . 520.95 ES2004a D FEE016 3 520.256 536.8 520.28 536.6 Indepen independent , right , did you say they're good at golf ? Are they ? Oh . Oh right , okay , I'm not good at golf . I'd say they're quite free-spirited , flying around everywhere , doing their own thing . 522.56 523.19 524.93 526.24 526.91 527.6 527.94 529.2 531.84 535.57 536.6 ES2004a B FEE013 1 524.131 526.0 524.131 525.96 Eagle . 525.96 ES2004a C MEE014 2 524.288 529.024 524.31 529.024 Yeah , no yeah , an eagle . 525.16 526.26 528.63 ES2004a D FEE016 3 541.12 549.664 541.43 549.53 And uh , birds of prey aren't they , oh dear , intrepid . I'll put that , intrepid . 543.75 544.95 546.05 547.15 547.88 549.53 ES2004a B FEE013 1 545.078 545.68 545.31 545.64 Mm-hmm . 545.64 ES2004a D FEE016 3 553.476 556.832 553.66 556.77 There we go , hope that pen's gonna be okay . 554.68 556.77 ES2004a B FEE013 1 554.412 555.402 554.48 555.15 That's lovely . 555.15 ES2004a D FEE016 3 558.528 559.51 558.67 559.33 Whoops . 559.33 ES2004a B FEE013 1 561.055 561.632 561.11 561.6 Okay . 561.6 ES2004a B FEE013 1 563.104 575.536 563.12 575.32 That was fun , right . Um finance-wise , we've got a selling price at twenty five Euros , which I don't actually know what that is in Pounds , at all . Any ideas ? 564.31 565.46 567.09 570.39 573.18 574.64 575.32 ES2004a C MEE014 2 574.6 577.751 575.11 577.66 It's about mm , mm yeah . 577.22 577.66 ES2004a D FEE016 3 576.323 577.554 576.51 577.21 Seventeen . 577.21 ES2004a A MEO015 0 576.454 581.547 576.76 581.5 One point four or something like that . One point four Euro would make a Pound or something like that . 578.71 581.5 ES2004a C MEE014 2 580.784 587.648 580.85 587.57 Yeah , yeah , something like that , so that yeah about seventeen , seventeen Pounds , something like that . 581.31 581.55 582.43 585.24 586.47 587.57 ES2004a A MEO015 0 582.538 583.04 582.6 582.92 Yeah . 582.92 ES2004a B FEE013 1 583.728 588.016 583.85 587.98 D fifteen ? Seventeen . Okay , that's expensive . 585.12 586.38 587.21 587.98 ES2004a D FEE016 3 584.698 586.17 584.88 585.97 Seventeen Pounds . 585.97 ES2004a D FEE016 3 588.24 592.368 588.37 592.28 Should we be making notes of this ? We can just refer to this later can't we ? Yeah , okay . 589.55 591.74 591.93 592.28 ES2004a C MEE014 2 590.677 591.37 590.86 591.37 But - ES2004a B FEE013 1 590.755 595.995 590.98 595.93 I think so , I think so , I'll be able to um pull it up , or I could put it in the shared folder or something . 591.85 592.23 593.78 595.93 ES2004a D FEE016 3 593.792 594.517 593.81 594.27 Okay . 594.27 ES2004a C MEE014 2 594.038 608.506 594.19 608.09 Havi having said that though , if you wanna get one of those the the ones on the market at the moment they're s they're about twenty pounds anyway . So , it'd still be yeah , we had to buy one . 596.32 603.21 603.89 605.56 608.09 ES2004a D FEE016 3 603.488 604.316 603.51 604.22 Right . 604.22 ES2004a B FEE013 1 603.61 604.256 603.88 604.22 Really ? 604.22 ES2004a D FEE016 3 605.824 606.223 605.84 606.02 So - ES2004a B FEE013 1 606.492 607.072 606.66 607.02 Mm . 607.02 ES2004a D FEE016 3 608.016 614.106 608.09 613.93 so I suppose later it depends if we want to undercut the price , we d or or is it going to make our product look a cheapie-cheapie option ? 610.65 613.93 ES2004a B FEE013 1 608.062 609.291 608.13 609.291 I think - ES2004a B FEE013 1 613.489 617.856 613.51 617.82 Yeah , um production cost's at twelve fifty , so 614.39 617.18 ES2004a C MEE014 2 614.016 615.056 614.07 614.89 Hmm . 614.89 ES2004a A MEO015 0 617.335 619.75 617.54 619.59 Okay , pretty huge margin . 618.36 619.59 ES2004a B FEE013 1 619.072 629.44 619.13 629.44 half of the selling price is taken up by building it . Um , and profit aim is fifty million Euros , which is uh 624.26 625.44 628.76 ES2004a C MEE014 2 621.2 622.416 621.46 622.16 Yeah . 622.16 ES2004a D FEE016 3 622.0 622.416 622.02 622.23 Mm . 622.23 ES2004a D FEE016 3 623.824 624.288 623.85 624.23 Mm-hmm . 624.23 ES2004a D FEE016 3 630.352 631.248 630.37 631.2 In our first year ? 631.2 ES2004a B FEE013 1 630.896 637.195 631.29 637.195 Yi yes , um yeah , I presume so . Um 632.61 634.57 636.43 ES2004a D FEE016 3 635.408 635.936 635.54 635.88 Mm-hmm . 635.88 ES2004a A MEO015 0 636.16 637.104 636.39 637.104 So then - ES2004a D FEE016 3 638.0 651.52 638.1 651.49 You've got market range international and you did say earlier it's got to be a um accessible and usable by sort of all age groups just t we're not focusing on business market , any particular thing , it's everyone user-friendly to everyone . Okay . 648.23 649.02 651.11 651.49 ES2004a B FEE013 1 645.152 645.632 645.18 645.59 Mm-hmm . 645.59 ES2004a B FEE013 1 648.883 650.357 649.13 650.29 No , yeah . 649.87 650.29 ES2004a D FEE016 3 653.072 655.552 653.41 655.4 Big target group . 655.4 ES2004a B FEE013 1 653.549 670.376 653.57 670.24 So yes , yes , I don't think we have to I don't think it's a case of worrying about different languages and things like that , um making that a key point , just that it's going to be in the international market like Australia , America , things like that . Okay . 655.13 655.64 662.22 664.37 667.48 668.02 669.7 670.24 ES2004a D FEE016 3 661.776 662.272 661.85 662.2 No . 662.2 ES2004a D FEE016 3 666.576 666.976 666.69 666.94 Mm . 666.94 ES2004a B FEE013 1 675.184 704.832 675.2 704.832 What are your experiences with remote controls ? I mean I've got we got um we had three videos , a T_V_ and a sort of amp thing all set up so we got one of the universal remote controls , um that you programme each of your things into , but that kept losing the signals so we'd have to re-programme it every now and again . I think it was quite a cheapie as well , so that might have had something to do with it , but that was quite good , the fact that you could 678.29 683.47 691.67 694.75 699.39 701.35 702.7 703.79 ES2004a A MEO015 0 687.149 687.873 687.25 687.56 Mm-hmm . 687.56 ES2004a C MEE014 2 687.803 688.544 688.13 688.44 Yeah . 688.44 ES2004a D FEE016 3 691.104 692.011 691.12 691.89 Alright . 691.89 ES2004a C MEE014 2 690.978 692.231 691.23 692.13 Yeah . 692.13 ES2004a A MEO015 0 690.982 692.467 691.49 692.22 Yeah , that c 691.81 ES2004a D FEE016 3 700.979 701.878 701.09 701.69 Mm-hmm . 701.69 ES2004a C MEE014 2 700.641 701.952 701.1 701.88 Yeah uh . 701.88 ES2004a C MEE014 2 704.937 707.28 705.18 706.72 Use all the ones at the same time . 706.72 ES2004a B FEE013 1 705.781 708.976 705.96 708.91 You didn't have six remote controls sitting in front of you . 708.91 ES2004a D FEE016 3 707.968 708.672 708.07 708.55 Right . 708.55 ES2004a A MEO015 0 708.486 711.04 708.61 711.04 Okay , you wanna integrate everything into one like 709.16 ES2004a C MEE014 2 711.067 713.328 711.24 713.328 Yeah , 'cause you 712.85 ES2004a D FEE016 3 711.856 736.096 711.88 736.05 Mm-hmm . My experience has only been being given the remote control with the object I buy , not doing any tampering with it and programming , using it to programme T_V_ and uh uh videos and things . But basically on , off , volume up and down , channel one , two , th that basic functions , I don't think I could go any further with it than that , so , I suppose it's got to be something usable by someone like me as well . 712.92 717.17 719.26 722.44 723.37 723.71 725.21 725.76 725.99 727.68 731.34 731.43 736.05 ES2004a A MEO015 0 712.272 712.768 712.33 712.72 Okay . 712.72 ES2004a B FEE013 1 727.648 728.209 727.67 728.16 Mm . 728.16 ES2004a B FEE013 1 734.731 751.93 734.98 751.76 Yeah , the main that's the main stuff anyway , I mean and you don't want to I hate I hate looking at a control and seeing a million tiny little buttons with tiny little words saying what they all do and just sitting there searching for the teletext button or something like that . 735.33 737.3 751.76 ES2004a D FEE016 3 737.248 737.888 737.29 737.67 Mm-hmm . 737.67 ES2004a D FEE016 3 746.352 746.876 746.42 746.84 Mm . 746.84 ES2004a C MEE014 2 747.488 748.36 747.66 747.95 Yeah . 747.95 ES2004a D FEE016 3 749.639 755.328 749.82 755.29 Mm . And symbols that you don't necessarily understand , symbols you're meant to understand that you don't . 750.81 753.44 755.29 ES2004a B FEE013 1 752.4 752.986 752.59 752.95 Yeah . 752.95 ES2004a B FEE013 1 754.864 755.952 754.864 755.92 Um . 755.92 ES2004a A MEO015 0 754.938 758.268 755.18 758.06 So simplification of symbols you could think of . 758.06 ES2004a B FEE013 1 757.408 779.84 757.43 779.79 When they're when you've got the main things on the front of it and a section opens up or something to the other functions where you can do sound or options kind of recording , things like that inside it . 'Cause it doesn't make when you pick it up it doesn't make it really complicated to look at , it's obvious what you're doing , um . 770.73 772.83 776.45 779.35 779.79 ES2004a D FEE016 3 768.48 769.024 768.52 768.98 Oh yeah . 768.98 ES2004a D FEE016 3 772.304 772.72 772.32 772.69 Mm-hmm . 772.69 ES2004a D FEE016 3 775.552 775.872 775.6 775.84 Mm . 775.84 ES2004a D FEE016 3 777.296 777.736 777.34 777.65 Mm-hmm . 777.65 ES2004a C MEE014 2 777.776 778.721 777.92 778.66 Mm . 778.66 ES2004a D FEE016 3 778.928 794.512 779.78 794.48 Actually that just raises a point , I wonder what our design people think , but you know on a mobile phone , you can press a key and it gives you a menu , it's got a menu display , I wonder if incorporating that into the design of a remote control might be useful , so you've got a little L_C_D_ display . 781.1 783.26 785.16 787.04 788.22 792.52 794.48 ES2004a A MEO015 0 784.96 785.387 784.99 785.28 Mm-hmm . 785.28 ES2004a A MEO015 0 787.056 787.87 787.08 787.74 Menu , alright . 787.47 787.74 ES2004a C MEE014 2 791.899 793.054 792.17 792.62 Yeah . 792.62 ES2004a A MEO015 0 792.661 793.601 792.89 793.601 Uh uh - ES2004a A MEO015 0 794.432 812.064 794.46 812.03 Right , I was thinking on the same lines you , instead of having too many b buttons and make it complicated for the user , may h maybe have an L_C_D_ di display or something like that , like a mobile , yeah and with menus . And if it's s somewhat similar to what you have on mobile phone , people might find it easier to browse and navigate also maybe . 794.85 796.74 800.57 802.9 804.35 806.03 808.4 812.03 ES2004a D FEE016 3 803.776 805.952 803.8 805.92 With menus , yeah , yeah . 804.82 805.55 805.92 ES2004a D FEE016 3 811.072 811.856 811.15 811.49 Yeah . 811.49 ES2004a B FEE013 1 811.44 815.12 812.35 815.09 What about the older generation ? What about granny and grandads ? 813.65 815.09 ES2004a A MEO015 0 815.216 819.161 815.216 818.96 You mean to save it lesser number . 818.96 ES2004a B FEE013 1 816.128 823.872 816.15 823.63 Um , my grandad can answer his mobile phone , but he couldn't even dream of texting or something like that . 817.72 819.84 823.63 ES2004a C MEE014 2 819.832 821.056 819.96 820.26 Yeah . 820.26 ES2004a D FEE016 3 821.333 828.176 821.35 827.97 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Can he programme his remote control or is it basic with that too ? 822.52 823.79 827.97 ES2004a A MEO015 0 825.949 826.456 826.06 826.35 Right . 826.35 ES2004a B FEE013 1 828.096 831.516 828.12 831.516 I don't think they tape things , I don't think they use 830.04 ES2004a C MEE014 2 829.265 834.544 829.37 834.05 Yeah , my grandad's actually better than me at using teletext , so . 830.38 832.84 834.05 ES2004a D FEE016 3 830.032 830.747 830.05 830.6 Right . 830.6 ES2004a D FEE016 3 833.2 834.052 833.26 833.8 Right . 833.8 ES2004a D FEE016 3 834.608 844.688 834.64 844.64 So that's a problem regardless of of any design modifications you you come up with , that's gonna be a problem anyway with the older generation perhaps , and that's another issue how we tackle that . 839.27 842.48 844.64 ES2004a C MEE014 2 838.557 839.344 838.64 839.0 Yeah . 839.0 ES2004a B FEE013 1 840.952 843.364 841.2 843.24 Mm , yeah , the age gap . 841.31 842.4 843.24 ES2004a C MEE014 2 843.392 849.648 843.73 849.58 Yeah , what it just needs to be as long as it's sort of self-intuitive and you can can work out 844.63 ES2004a C MEE014 2 850.96 862.224 850.98 861.94 what everything's doing , 'cause I mean , menus on sort of new phones now they've sort of got all these pictures and stuff which makes it fairly obvious what you're trying to do . 852.17 852.79 861.94 ES2004a B FEE013 1 862.288 862.8 862.33 862.76 Mm . 862.76 ES2004a A MEO015 0 863.168 863.584 863.21 863.53 Mm-hmm . 863.53 ES2004a B FEE013 1 864.208 871.84 864.3 871.74 I don't know , I d I don't like the , you know the new phones that have kind of got a Windows-based running system . 864.64 867.18 871.74 ES2004a C MEE014 2 864.07 865.885 864.43 865.885 But I don't know how - ES2004a C MEE014 2 870.16 870.864 870.18 870.69 Oh yeah . 870.69 ES2004a D FEE016 3 872.176 872.64 872.2 872.59 Mm-hmm . 872.59 ES2004a B FEE013 1 872.928 883.28 872.95 883.24 I find it really confusing , I kept getting lost in the phone , I di I've not got a new one but uh my friend got a new one and I was trying to do things with it and I just kept getting lost , but 874.73 876.83 882.87 ES2004a D FEE016 3 878.336 878.922 878.36 878.8 Right . 878.8 ES2004a B FEE013 1 884.288 885.2 884.38 885.17 that's just me . 885.17 ES2004a C MEE014 2 884.976 899.344 885.18 899.31 Yeah , I don't I don't know how for twenty fi , or twelve Euros fifty how much of a excellent screen you could get , you'd you'd have to sort of keep it down to a black and white L_C_D_ thing anyway , I'd assume . 885.52 889.01 893.7 898.77 899.31 ES2004a B FEE013 1 893.28 894.581 893.63 894.31 Yeah . 894.31 ES2004a D FEE016 3 895.376 895.979 895.43 895.75 Mm-hmm . 895.75 ES2004a D FEE016 3 898.688 912.407 898.71 911.78 Is it possible that that for the older generation you could have like an extra button that you press for large print like you do in large print books ? Obviously it displays less on the screen , it displays less on the screen but as long as they can read it that's the main thing . 905.64 908.27 911.78 ES2004a A MEO015 0 905.221 905.764 905.32 905.7 Okay . 905.7 ES2004a B FEE013 1 905.487 907.78 905.77 907.5 Teletext has got that option as well . 907.5 ES2004a B FEE013 1 911.84 912.384 911.86 912.35 Yeah . 912.35 ES2004a B FEE013 1 913.516 935.076 913.69 934.88 Or what about kind of a dual function ? In that you've got the basic buttons just for your play , volume , programme things and also and then a menu to go into with obvious pictures , obvious symbols and that's where you control recording and things like that . 917.37 920.85 921.81 929.64 934.88 ES2004a D FEE016 3 923.632 924.08 923.65 924.04 Mm-hmm . 924.04 ES2004a D FEE016 3 930.704 931.532 930.704 931.44 Yeah . 931.44 ES2004a D FEE016 3 932.96 933.408 932.99 933.37 Mm-hmm . 933.37 ES2004a D FEE016 3 934.332 947.76 934.74 947.56 Mm . The other thing is , just ch chucking into mobile phone f design features again , it could have a flip top remote control so that when you flip over the top , your screen is you can have a bigger screen in the the flip over . 935.18 936.21 940.12 943.53 947.56 ES2004a B FEE013 1 945.413 946.031 945.43 945.84 Mm-hmm . 945.84 ES2004a A MEO015 0 946.0 946.744 946.04 946.66 Mm , okay . 946.16 946.66 ES2004a B FEE013 1 948.464 953.165 948.48 953.165 I think that's a cost thing , I don't I don't know how much we're gonna know about 949.91 ES2004a A MEO015 0 948.278 949.177 948.6 949.09 S - ES2004a C MEE014 2 949.62 950.52 949.9 950.21 Y - ES2004a A MEO015 0 950.694 959.392 950.91 959.24 It might it might save a b bit of space , it's i instead of looking bulky , it might look small . But it might have its cost implications . 954.37 955.74 957.38 959.24 ES2004a D FEE016 3 951.04 951.44 951.06 951.41 Yeah ? 951.41 ES2004a D FEE016 3 954.896 955.41 954.93 955.27 Mm-hmm . 955.27 ES2004a B FEE013 1 956.0 958.152 956.02 958.07 Yes , no that's important . 956.67 958.07 ES2004a D FEE016 3 956.752 958.64 956.78 958.6 Yeah , like smaller . 958.05 958.6 ES2004a C MEE014 2 957.152 957.856 957.25 957.6 Yeah . 957.6 ES2004a B FEE013 1 959.456 960.373 959.48 960.29 Okay . 960.29 ES2004a D FEE016 3 959.461 972.975 959.69 972.975 And there's no reason we need to make it look as fashionable and stylish as a mobile phone , it can still be lightweight plastic , you know ? Something that's easily moulded and produced . Sorry I'm treading on your territory guys . 963.7 965.6 966.35 969.16 972.45 ES2004a B FEE013 1 965.056 965.6 965.1 965.57 Mm . 965.57 ES2004a A MEO015 0 966.192 966.731 966.22 966.48 Right . 966.48 ES2004a B FEE013 1 968.816 969.264 968.84 969.23 Yeah . 969.23 ES2004a C MEE014 2 970.384 971.79 970.68 971.79 No uh uh - ES2004a B FEE013 1 970.976 980.032 970.976 979.94 Um , right , okay we've got half an hour before the next meeting , so we're all gonna go off and do our individual things . Um 973.7 974.02 976.43 979.35 ES2004a B FEE013 1 981.049 989.552 981.2 989.51 I think that's probably about it and then we'll come back and liaise again and I get to do another fantastic PowerPoint presentation . 989.51 ES2004a C MEE014 2 984.944 1014.848 985.49 1014.848 Yeah . Just just a quick thing about the um about what you're saying about the uh does does it need to be fashionable ? The sort of I I had a quick look at the company website and it's like the the uh we put the fashion into electronics , so I think think the whole design thing might be qui I mean you don't you you can still have plastic and it'd look quite good but 988.8 996.66 1005.24 ES2004a B FEE013 1 990.987 991.663 991.07 991.47 Sure . 991.47 ES2004a D FEE016 3 1004.976 1006.018 1005.06 1005.74 Ah right . 1005.74 ES2004a A MEO015 0 1005.519 1006.426 1005.79 1006.25 Okay . 1006.25 ES2004a B FEE013 1 1005.624 1006.496 1005.86 1006.44 Okay . 1006.44 ES2004a D FEE016 3 1006.656 1007.575 1006.9 1007.5 Okay . 1007.5 ES2004a D FEE016 3 1008.784 1011.344 1009.16 1011.3 Sure b y yeah . 1011.3 ES2004a D FEE016 3 1013.68 1024.512 1013.7 1024.41 But yeah , I mean it doesn't have to be that , you know th that was my main point , we don't have to use metal , I don't know if using plastic does make it cheaper , I presume it would . Yeah , yeah , yeah . 1015.32 1017.2 1018.62 1019.45 1021.36 1022.1 1022.93 1024.1 1024.41 ES2004a C MEE014 2 1018.34 1019.568 1018.54 1018.91 Yeah . 1018.91 ES2004a B FEE013 1 1019.961 1020.627 1019.99 1020.49 Mm . 1020.49 ES2004a C MEE014 2 1021.92 1023.536 1022.0 1022.96 Yeah . Yeah . 1022.74 1022.96 ES2004a B FEE013 1 1022.304 1024.032 1022.32 1023.99 I would it would probably . 1023.99 ES2004a B FEE013 1 1025.024 1041.616 1025.04 1041.56 I mean there's Sky remote controls and everything . They're kind of moulded and look a bit different , and the Telewest remote controls are silver plastic , which looks a bit smarter , so yeah I guess that's stuff we can think about . Okay , so let's break it up there . 1026.89 1029.37 1032.59 1035.08 1038.65 1039.65 1041.56 ES2004a D FEE016 3 1032.896 1033.504 1032.93 1033.35 Right . 1033.35 ES2004a D FEE016 3 1037.07 1038.078 1037.32 1037.95 Okay . 1037.95 ES2004a D FEE016 3 1042.004 1042.82 1042.19 1042.3 'Kay . 1042.3 ES2004a B FEE013 1 1042.327 1044.208 1042.4 1044.16 Okay ? So , see you in half an hour . 1043.13 1043.34 1044.16 ES2004a C MEE014 2 1042.331 1043.632 1042.58 1043.43 Okay . 1043.43 ES2004a D FEE016 3 1046.4 1048.582 1046.42 1048.48 Do we go back to our room ? Yep ? 1048.29 1048.48 ES2004a B FEE013 1 1047.488 1049.206 1047.76 1049.04 I think so , yeah . 1048.64 1049.04 ES2004a A MEO015 0 1048.016 1048.672 1048.05 1048.38 Mm , yeah . 1048.15 1048.38 ES2004b B FEE013 1 0.0 5.143 0.2 5.143 Help . 4.83 ES2004b B FEE013 1 8.164 11.017 8.18 10.8 It's up there ? That screen's black . 9.82 10.8 ES2004b B FEE013 1 36.741 40.164 37.05 39.72 Alright , okay . Okay , that's fine . 37.56 38.83 39.28 39.72 ES2004b D FEE016 3 47.685 49.284 47.685 49.18 Oh God . 49.18 ES2004b B FEE013 1 55.336 56.573 55.45 55.86 Are we done ? 55.86 ES2004b B FEE013 1 66.784 79.27 66.81 78.86 Right , okay um , this is our second meeting and I might be a bit all over the place . Um , right our agenda for today , do you want us to give you a second ? 67.12 68.71 74.21 75.23 77.68 78.86 ES2004b D FEE016 3 80.016 82.32 80.31 81.52 Uh , no that's okay , sorry . 80.48 81.21 81.52 ES2004b B FEE013 1 81.245 83.536 81.27 83.536 Okay , um 82.35 ES2004b B FEE013 1 85.856 88.743 85.93 88.7 I'll go over what we decided last meeting , 88.7 ES2004b A MEO015 0 89.104 89.553 89.12 89.38 Mm-hmm . 89.38 ES2004b B FEE013 1 90.325 91.226 90.54 91.15 um , 91.15 ES2004b B FEE013 1 92.51 99.168 92.63 99.12 we decided upon a universal control , one handset for all , T_V_ , video 96.02 97.92 98.65 ES2004b B FEE013 1 100.475 129.705 100.62 129.48 equipment . Um , that it was important that the product was accessible to a wide range of consumers , wide age range , not limiting anyone . We decided it was important to reflect the company's image in our product , we put fashion in electronics , you know that kind of s thing . Um , our budget would have to affect um try not to reflect our budget , um that we might 101.81 103.48 108.39 110.26 112.16 115.43 117.89 120.23 121.1 128.26 ES2004b A MEO015 0 100.422 101.074 100.7 100.94 Sorry . 100.94 ES2004b B FEE013 1 131.36 144.168 131.42 144.13 have a bit of oh oh you can see it , okay . Um dissonance between what our budget was and what we want it to look like . Um 134.42 136.33 143.4 ES2004b B FEE013 1 144.782 159.504 144.85 159.36 want it to look uncluttered , undaunting to the customer . We discussed a flip-open design , um reducing the size of the control and an electronic panel um for further features like programming , things like that . 146.38 148.69 150.94 158.51 159.36 ES2004b B FEE013 1 161.168 166.904 161.19 166.8 Okay . Um , three presentations , I've got written here so 163.24 164.23 165.49 ES2004b B FEE013 1 168.592 170.688 168.66 170.62 shall we hear from Marketing first ? 170.62 ES2004b D FEE016 3 170.664 176.16 171.01 175.84 Um is it okay if I postpone that til later , I just want to get access to a little bit more information , is that okay ? 172.96 175.13 175.84 ES2004b B FEE013 1 175.008 177.407 175.03 177.407 No that's fine , that's fine . 175.87 177.32 ES2004b C MEE014 2 176.48 179.312 176.5 179.312 Okay , yeah I'll go first . Can I grab the 176.82 177.91 ES2004b B FEE013 1 178.928 180.086 179.07 179.82 Unplug me . 179.82 ES2004b C MEE014 2 182.055 183.52 182.12 183.41 Thanks . 183.41 ES2004b C MEE014 2 190.848 193.461 191.55 193.32 What do I have to press ? Oh , F_ eight ? 192.24 192.42 193.32 ES2004b B FEE013 1 193.984 195.388 194.0 195.12 Um , F_N_ 194.34 ES2004b B FEE013 1 195.936 197.887 195.96 197.26 function F_ eight . 197.26 ES2004b C MEE014 2 196.816 197.984 196.84 197.89 Oh right , yeah . 197.22 197.89 ES2004b C MEE014 2 200.855 201.89 200.97 201.45 Okay . 201.45 ES2004b C MEE014 2 203.436 204.619 203.67 204.619 Maybe - ES2004b A MEO015 0 209.286 209.883 209.34 209.78 Yep . 209.78 ES2004b C MEE014 2 209.711 210.736 209.98 210.62 Yep there we go . 210.62 ES2004b C MEE014 2 212.369 218.528 212.5 218.49 Okay this is uh the working design , presented by me , the uh Industrial Designer extraordinaire . 214.59 215.82 218.49 ES2004b C MEE014 2 219.872 247.008 219.96 246.92 'Kay , this is where I went a bit mad with PowerPoint so . What the first thing question I asked was what are we trying to design ? Well , a device which basically just sends the signal to the T_V_ to change its state , whether that be the power , or the channel um or the volume , everything is just um some sort of signal to change the state of the T_V_ or other appliance that it's sending the signal to . 220.34 225.01 228.85 229.24 233.58 235.19 238.44 246.92 ES2004b C MEE014 2 248.832 260.096 249.03 260.06 Um , so I decided I'd have a look at what th other people have designed and try and take some inspiration from that . But uh although we will want to be taking 249.55 257.38 ES2004b C MEE014 2 261.424 272.08 261.48 272.08 ideas from other people , we wanna make sure that our design stands out and I thought that was something that well it wasn't really my area because 262.62 ES2004b C MEE014 2 272.635 322.256 272.66 322.22 I'm dealing with the inside really . So um , yeah I ran out of time so I couldn't do this one as fun as the last one . Um and uh I found out that most uh controls use some form of infrared to send signals to the T_V_ presumably because of the cost issue of uh something like uh the same thing that computers use , wireless and , you don't need to send very much information . Um , most of them are powered by some form of battery . Now our one , I'm I'm not sure whether we want to look at the size issue because most of them are powered by triple A_ batteries but those can be quite bulky so I d I didn't know if you wanted to look at something else um so we could shrink down the size of the control . Yeah sure . 274.9 276.22 280.55 294.82 295.61 298.52 299.32 302.49 303.87 321.73 322.22 ES2004b D FEE016 3 318.992 327.276 319.15 326.75 Mm-hmm . Could I can I interject to ask a question there , is that appropriate ? You're saying the triple A_ batteries are small or the surrounding it ? 319.7 321.92 323.02 326.75 ES2004b B FEE013 1 321.341 322.048 321.51 321.97 Mm-hmm . 321.97 ES2004b C MEE014 2 325.232 360.448 325.58 360.32 Um no no , if you if you look at if you look at most remote controls they're quite they're quite chunky and that's because of the size of the batteries , they have to be obviously this certain size to fit those batteries in . Yeah the the well you can you can get the sort of circular round ones but I'm just wondering about power consumption and how much you need to send the data across . Um , and d which leads sort of onto the next point about 'em being small and easy to carry round . Um , now the ones at the moment are small but I was just wondering if we could look at something a bit smaller . 326.17 332.53 337.69 347.54 347.89 354.61 355.42 360.32 ES2004b D FEE016 3 330.406 331.082 330.58 330.96 Mm-hmm . 330.96 ES2004b D FEE016 3 335.813 339.095 335.95 338.76 Right , the triple A_s are the smallest you can get are they not , right ? 336.46 338.41 338.76 ES2004b B FEE013 1 337.697 338.783 338.28 338.73 They are . 338.73 ES2004b A MEO015 0 338.18 338.938 338.55 338.75 Okay . 338.75 ES2004b D FEE016 3 341.395 342.715 341.57 342.56 Oh I see . 342.56 ES2004b D FEE016 3 345.44 346.128 345.51 345.9 Okay . 345.9 ES2004b C MEE014 2 361.198 417.981 361.198 417.86 Now the main components I came up with um were obviously the power source for the batteries 'cause otherwise it's not gonna work , uh as I said about the w which batteries we were gonna choose , we can uh discuss that later and then you obviously need something to decode the information that you're putting in from from the controller and to turn it into an i uh infrared signal which we're going to use to send the information . Now these have a wireless range of up to about five metres which is sort of suitable for anyone who's watching the T_V_ unless they're in a cinema , which not most people do so as we're applying to the most audience that should be fine . And then I was uh just had a quick look at the external design but I d I left that mostly to the uh interface designer . 368.8 373.34 392.12 401.49 407.24 417.86 ES2004b C MEE014 2 419.059 441.84 419.18 441.8 And so this is what I had as the basic idea of what we wanna do . It's not a proper circuit , I'm not sure if it'd work or not , I'm not even confident that those are the real um the real way you'd wire it up but anyway , we've just got the the power going to the infrared bulb with the chip and the uh U_I_ interface um 422.76 426.32 428.28 433.07 ES2004b C MEE014 2 443.088 458.848 443.35 458.81 which would basically , when you when you pressed anything it would the chip would convert it into some form of I_R_ data which could be decoded by the T_V_ receiver , which obviously means that we're gonna have to conform to whatever 444.4 453.51 ES2004b C MEE014 2 459.904 519.262 459.92 519.03 um whatever form of communication that the T_V_s are already using and since that that's another use and reason to use that infrared because that's what all T_V_s use at the moment . And then finally , um we want uh the it to be available to a wide audience at a low cost so all the components that I've put forward are uh low in cost so that that should be good . Um it should should be different enough um from the alternative products to get a good consumer base , we were talking about it before and also just something that I was thinking about , uh because they're small they're also easy to lose so if we could look into some way of d dunno some anti-going down the side of the sofa thing that you could have , I th that was just sort of a general point there . And that's uh yeah . 472.4 473.88 487.72 495.34 499.53 512.25 517.07 519.03 ES2004b D FEE016 3 499.856 501.136 500.24 500.96 Mm . 500.96 ES2004b D FEE016 3 509.616 510.448 509.72 510.23 Mm . 510.23 ES2004b D FEE016 3 515.904 524.224 515.94 523.58 Mm . That's a very important part , it came up in our market research findings too so I can refer to that , whenever you like me to present . 517.15 518.27 522.24 523.58 ES2004b C MEE014 2 521.616 528.656 521.71 528.656 Alright okay , and yeah , that's that's what I came up with there , so if you wanna 523.22 524.54 527.61 ES2004b B FEE013 1 527.484 532.4 527.67 532.35 Okay , thank you very much . Um , would you like to continue on from that ? 528.16 530.18 530.67 532.35 ES2004b A MEO015 0 531.328 532.178 531.35 531.93 Yep . 531.93 ES2004b C MEE014 2 534.016 534.656 534.45 534.6 Ooh . 534.6 ES2004b A MEO015 0 535.648 539.527 535.76 538.99 'Kay . It can be okay , that's okay with me . 536.24 538.19 538.99 ES2004b B FEE013 1 535.904 538.592 535.92 538.55 Or , maybe move the laptop over . 536.72 538.55 ES2004b A MEO015 0 544.498 545.634 544.498 545.49 further . 545.49 ES2004b A MEO015 0 572.276 573.252 572.8 572.98 Oops . 572.98 ES2004b A MEO015 0 591.008 593.984 591.04 593.79 Why's it not working ? F_ eight , right ? 593.21 593.58 593.79 ES2004b B FEE013 1 594.752 596.398 594.77 596.31 F_ function . 596.31 ES2004b C MEE014 2 595.072 597.072 595.48 596.8 Function F_ eight yeah . 596.8 ES2004b A MEO015 0 596.466 597.501 596.59 597.13 Okay . 597.13 ES2004b A MEO015 0 602.427 604.288 602.56 604.17 Mm why's it in the right ? 604.17 ES2004b D FEE016 3 602.368 603.36 602.63 602.91 No . 602.91 ES2004b D FEE016 3 604.768 607.97 604.86 607.59 The plug hasn't come out at the bottom , has it ? No . 607.02 607.28 607.59 ES2004b A MEO015 0 606.651 608.509 606.73 608.14 Yeah , it's connecting . 606.84 608.14 ES2004b C MEE014 2 607.424 611.408 607.45 610.98 No , no yeah it's just . 607.74 610.98 ES2004b D FEE016 3 608.944 610.126 609.04 610.0 Meter adjusting . 610.0 ES2004b A MEO015 0 611.808 613.712 611.808 613.68 okay . 613.68 ES2004b B FEE013 1 612.72 613.992 612.74 613.56 Oh , there . 613.08 613.56 ES2004b A MEO015 0 614.752 635.648 614.77 635.47 Yeah . Actually mm some of my points might overlap with what William's just mention , but basically my method was like uh whatever brainstorming we did in the last meeting , just a couple of valuable points and started developing on that and there might be some missing loops in this thing which I think we'll uh take a feedback from the marketing because 616.2 620.48 625.15 ES2004b C MEE014 2 618.656 619.508 618.68 619.07 Yeah . 619.07 ES2004b A MEO015 0 636.71 653.053 636.91 652.98 um , I haven't had some marketing data and basically every product is marketable . So purpose , as William already said , I would put it to simplify the interaction with T_V_ to make make it as simple as possible . And to summarise I I would say it's it should be user-friendly by being easy to use , 638.34 642.56 643.2 644.52 649.19 652.98 ES2004b A MEO015 0 654.032 661.952 654.05 661.92 rather than having a lot of complex button because you can have an engineering maybe having hundred buttons and maybe having uh a remote control which has the main features - ES2004b A MEO015 0 663.04 666.272 663.15 666.22 like volume control or channel ch changing the channel or whatever . 666.22 ES2004b A MEO015 0 667.392 706.576 667.41 706.54 But we are to to make it unique so that people want to buy it , will this two features together . So what the concept is to have a flip-top model . The main functions such as which are like often used will be on the top and the complex functions which say you you can say like the y young generation or trendy generation want to pr say programme their favourite channels or whatever , can be put in the middle part of the f flip-top . So it's like it could be accessed by a wide ra range of uh audience and we can punch in new f features such as uh added features such as shock proof body and maybe a design to appeal to a lot of people . 671.48 674.62 677.37 690.35 693.51 706.54 ES2004b A MEO015 0 708.24 743.824 708.26 743.78 Findings most people prefer us user-friendly rather than complex remote controls because there are times like uh people have used a remote control for say a year or something and they they are not used maybe thirty to forty percent of the buttons so it's not of no use of punching in the uh trying to put in those things in on the top of the remote control and try to confuse the user . As we saw we we have to make a profit also so we we can maybe go for an economies of a higher production mm by fifty million we said ? Yeah , with that I think we'll be able to achieve economies of scale also , so we can give in add in more features and make it less costly . 728.14 736.49 736.91 739.92 743.78 ES2004b C MEE014 2 735.857 736.581 736.03 736.36 Yeah . 736.36 ES2004b A MEO015 0 745.281 746.16 745.44 746.11 Um , 746.11 ES2004b A MEO015 0 747.584 752.16 747.62 752.12 that's so this is if you ask me personally , I would make uh 750.44 ES2004b A MEO015 0 754.448 769.12 754.47 769.03 flip-top with a trendy uh uh design and s maybe we we should look at also like the buttons whe whether they are like soft or little hard because they are times when the buttons tend to be a bit hard after uh continuous use usage and all that . So in overall a simple and uh 767.62 ES2004b C MEE014 2 762.272 762.96 762.29 762.86 Yeah . 762.86 ES2004b A MEO015 0 770.816 771.881 770.84 771.76 user-friendly design . 771.76 ES2004b D FEE016 3 772.327 773.04 772.45 773.0 Mm . 773.0 ES2004b A MEO015 0 772.96 775.109 773.02 774.69 Uh any comments like , if you want ? 774.35 774.69 ES2004b B FEE013 1 772.879 773.889 773.23 773.66 'Kay . 773.66 ES2004b B FEE013 1 775.472 784.352 775.51 784.352 Um , I think we'll chat about it at the end , okay so if anyone wants to write something down that they want to bring up at the end , um 776.99 778.86 783.66 ES2004b A MEO015 0 778.384 779.776 778.4 779.37 Okay . 779.37 ES2004b D FEE016 3 782.531 783.264 782.79 783.21 'Kay . 783.21 ES2004b C MEE014 2 782.618 783.742 782.92 783.7 Yeah sure . 783.7 ES2004b B FEE013 1 788.496 790.944 788.55 790.91 Ooh , it's vibrating , that's strange . 788.66 789.97 790.91 ES2004b B FEE013 1 792.526 793.44 792.6 793.39 Oh , God . 793.05 793.39 ES2004b B FEE013 1 802.327 803.53 802.68 803.36 Right , okay . 803.03 803.36 ES2004b D FEE016 3 802.324 806.599 803.09 806.53 Have I got to keep this here ? Does it matter ? 805.69 806.53 ES2004b A MEO015 0 803.332 804.683 803.45 804.683 I think you'll have to - ES2004b A MEO015 0 805.424 806.614 805.44 806.614 You can't - ES2004b A MEO015 0 807.248 809.555 807.27 809.5 It'll have to this can't be pulled . 809.5 ES2004b D FEE016 3 808.381 820.832 808.75 820.832 I'll have t I'll have to move it won't I ? Uh , whoops . Will it manage ? Bit more , oh dear . 811.85 812.76 815.94 817.4 817.96 820.67 ES2004b B FEE013 1 809.465 811.107 809.59 811.03 We just do the best we can . 811.03 ES2004b A MEO015 0 812.916 814.368 813.0 814.24 You'll have to push it a bit more . 814.24 ES2004b A MEO015 0 817.952 818.308 817.97 818.22 Yep . 818.22 ES2004b A MEO015 0 819.185 820.388 819.28 820.28 Yeah this is more than enough . 820.28 ES2004b C MEE014 2 826.292 828.976 826.6 828.31 There we go , I've got a bit more of the cable . 827.23 828.31 ES2004b A MEO015 0 827.008 828.139 827.03 827.85 Okay . 827.85 ES2004b D FEE016 3 827.89 829.412 828.11 829.412 Oh . 828.82 ES2004b C MEE014 2 830.656 831.12 830.72 830.98 There we go . 830.98 ES2004b D FEE016 3 831.17 832.425 831.36 832.35 Is that okay ? 832.35 ES2004b A MEO015 0 834.336 836.021 834.36 835.5 Yeah I think you can pull it out now . 835.5 ES2004b D FEE016 3 836.408 840.248 836.79 839.9 Thank you , just pull it closer a little bit . 837.43 839.9 ES2004b C MEE014 2 839.87 844.168 840.09 843.98 Uh you should be able to and yeah , there you go . 842.89 843.98 ES2004b B FEE013 1 840.992 842.313 841.3 841.97 Yeah , you might . 841.64 841.97 ES2004b D FEE016 3 841.693 843.936 841.71 843.87 Get it right over , okay , thank you . 842.91 843.29 843.87 ES2004b B FEE013 1 843.55 843.996 843.75 843.92 Ah . 843.92 ES2004b B FEE013 1 844.88 845.502 844.9 845.43 Look at that . 845.43 ES2004b D FEE016 3 845.328 876.331 845.63 876.26 Okay , um , I'm going to look at the functional requirements from the marketing point of view and uh obviously our starting point with marketing is always market research . Um , so that's where we started , we used our our usability lab , the company's usability lab , we did our usual selection methods to get a cross-section of the general public , male and female , all age groups from fifteen upwards and um we observed them in the lab , just their general use of the remote control , you can see we had a hundred subjects there . 846.67 848.52 857.25 858.71 859.84 861.49 863.26 866.7 867.4 872.19 873.98 876.26 ES2004b D FEE016 3 876.331 895.66 876.331 895.59 Our findings , lots of findings , I've just summarised some of them here . The overall thing which I've I've got at the top there in italics is that users dislike the look and feel of current remote controls , so it has obvious design implications there . Um , we found that seventy five percent of users find most remote controls ugly . 878.27 879.3 880.97 888.14 890.76 891.32 895.59 ES2004b D FEE016 3 896.603 927.927 896.95 927.83 Eighty percent would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy , we were quite surprised by that finding , but um that's quite a high proportion of our our , you know , international target group are prepared to spend more money for something that's a bit nicer looking . Um , current remote controls do not match well with the operating behaviour of the user overall . For example , you can see below there , seventy five percent of users zap a lot , so you've got your person sunk back in the sofa channel-hopping . So again there's power implications there . 901.5 903.32 906.7 906.93 912.2 912.54 917.9 918.55 919.58 922.15 925.88 927.83 ES2004b A MEO015 0 922.331 922.929 922.62 922.74 Yeah . 922.74 ES2004b D FEE016 3 927.927 943.104 927.927 943.05 Um , fifty percent of users only use ten percent of the buttons , so again a big design issue there . Um and possibly we can also cut back on cost if we don't have so many functions actually on the remote control . Um 929.36 932.37 934.54 942.52 ES2004b D FEE016 3 946.768 975.311 946.9 975.21 the biggest frustrations that people found with regard to personal preferences were um something that you you mentioned earlier , uh remote controls are often lost in the room , it's a slipping down the back of the sofa type of thing , uh fifty percent were were particularly frustrated by that . Uh thirty four percent of people take said they take too much time to learn to use and I think that ties in with the um the previous finding of people only using ten percent of the buttons , they just can't be bothered to learn about the other functions . 953.56 955.91 958.78 962.72 972.38 975.21 ES2004b D FEE016 3 976.049 1026.56 976.07 1026.45 Um , um slightly more than a quarter of people said it was bad for uh repetitive strain injury . You know those small movements of the remote control can lead to kind of shoulder and elbow problems . Um the vast majority of the thirty five and under age group would like um a liquid crystal display and speech recognition , again that was to aid I think in uh when they've lost the actual remote control , some kind of speech recognition . Something we didn't put to them , but which I'm thinking of now is um even if perhaps the lost control can give off a bleep every now and again til you find it or a flashing light , possibly . Um , that trend reverses in the older age groups . So thirty fives and unders who would like those two features , that kind of evens out thirty five to forty five and in the older age group it kind of reverses , they're not so bothered with this . 977.22 983.56 988.96 996.89 1002.58 1004.31 1005.48 1013.64 1014.96 1015.19 1018.2 1020.5 1025.19 1026.45 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1027.243 1036.8 1027.243 1036.14 I had marvellous tables and things that I could show you , but I think I'll just keep it simple , if there's any more information I can email you extra details , is that okay ? 1030.29 1031.67 1035.09 1036.14 ES2004b A MEO015 0 1027.614 1028.295 1027.78 1027.96 'Kay . 1027.96 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1034.264 1036.696 1034.61 1036.31 Okay . Yeah . 1035.91 1036.31 ES2004b A MEO015 0 1034.766 1036.56 1034.766 1036.51 That's fine . 1036.51 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1035.047 1035.832 1035.23 1035.74 Okay . 1035.74 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1038.545 1040.64 1038.69 1040.58 Right , um 1040.32 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1038.575 1039.543 1039.01 1039.27 Huh . 1039.27 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1041.632 1044.973 1041.72 1044.86 we have new project requirements , um 1044.09 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1049.84 1061.486 1051.11 1061.486 we're not going to be using teletext , um apparently the consumers consider it outdated with the internet now . Um 1054.55 1060.35 ES2004b A MEO015 0 1054.096 1054.624 1054.19 1054.57 Okay . 1054.57 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1062.384 1078.571 1062.4 1078.44 our control is only going to be for T_V_ , it's not going to be a combined control , which limits you know all of the different things that it limits the cost for us , but it also makes it easier to understand for the consumer . 1064.71 1068.56 1074.41 1078.44 ES2004b A MEO015 0 1074.18 1075.241 1074.54 1074.9 Mm-hmm . 1074.9 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1076.816 1081.008 1076.84 1080.59 Mm-hmm , so can we not programme a video with this remote control ? 1077.43 1080.59 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1080.304 1092.144 1080.57 1091.8 It says for T_V_ only , so looks like it's just yeah , I think maybe Sky things like that might be incorporated into it , but 1082.28 1086.3 1091.31 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1084.432 1085.392 1084.48 1085.36 Just channel-hopping . 1085.36 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1094.192 1102.16 1094.192 1102.13 I don't know , what do you think ? It just said , for T_V_ only . But I mean , general T_V_ controls do do video as well . 1094.81 1095.5 1096.6 1097.81 1098.17 1102.13 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1097.664 1099.443 1097.68 1099.31 Would that imply video use ? 1099.31 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1099.269 1101.024 1099.29 1100.99 T yeah yeah . 1100.99 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1103.618 1106.0 1103.65 1105.87 I d well I dunno 'cause uh the w if you've g - ES2004b B FEE013 1 1104.232 1109.076 1104.44 1108.88 I mean you bu well som you get com you get combined T_V_ and videos don't you ? 1108.88 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1108.32 1122.4 1108.34 1122.32 Yeah . If yeah and if you got if you got a Sky box , they have one of those plus boxes , you can record straight off the T_V_ anyway so on to on to like the T_V_ hard drive or so . 1109.05 1113.17 1115.11 1122.32 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1108.64 1110.098 1108.66 1110.06 Mm-hmm , yes . 1109.58 1110.06 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1117.822 1118.432 1117.94 1118.4 Mm . 1118.4 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1122.432 1127.04 1122.45 1127.0 I think we assume that it's still got play and stop functions and programming . 1127.0 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1125.824 1126.703 1125.85 1126.51 Yes . 1126.51 ES2004b A MEO015 0 1126.272 1133.936 1126.272 1133.87 Anything about that on the market research or something like regarding whether people want a combined something like that ? 1133.87 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1127.152 1127.808 1127.26 1127.68 Yeah . 1127.68 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1134.208 1156.736 1134.29 1156.69 Um we didn't really look into that but remember we found that finding that most people only use about uh ten percent of the buttons , I think th th those do tend to be the basic channel-hopping things and on and off for the video , fast-forwarding , so on and I think it's sort of general knowledge that people do find programming their videos a nightmare . So I don't know if that's something we need to look at . 1142.81 1147.36 1148.18 1154.53 1156.69 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1140.462 1140.933 1140.58 1140.9 Mm . 1140.9 ES2004b A MEO015 0 1140.879 1141.636 1140.9 1141.29 Ten perc - ES2004b A MEO015 0 1142.688 1143.322 1142.71 1143.06 Mm-hmm . 1143.06 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1146.112 1147.184 1146.25 1146.53 Yeah . 1146.53 ES2004b A MEO015 0 1154.272 1154.883 1154.29 1154.66 Okay . 1154.66 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1154.173 1155.267 1154.47 1155.08 Hmm . 1155.08 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1155.808 1166.368 1155.83 1166.33 Ju um just as an idea on the uh speech recognition thing that pr it'd probably be quite expensive to incorporate an entire speech recognition thing and they're not that great anyway . 1166.33 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1159.712 1160.362 1159.75 1160.27 Mm-hmm . 1160.27 ES2004b A MEO015 0 1162.23 1162.737 1162.44 1162.7 Pens - ES2004b D FEE016 3 1165.52 1189.56 1165.82 1188.99 In fact I've just called up that table there , we asked those two questions , the table relates to both questions , so we didn't differentiate . Would you prefer an L_C_D_ screen , that's multi-function remote and would you pay more for speech recognition in a remote control ? So you can see how the the yes no sort of varies across the age group there , and a substantial number of don't knows in the older age group , I think that's just general fear of new technology . 1168.16 1169.33 1170.91 1172.4 1174.28 1179.28 1184.04 1186.46 1188.99 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1167.616 1168.655 1167.64 1168.44 Alright , okay . 1168.14 1168.44 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1176.372 1177.706 1176.6 1177.63 Alright , okay . 1177.13 1177.63 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1182.059 1182.993 1182.36 1182.72 Mm-hmm . 1182.72 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1182.509 1183.104 1182.75 1183.07 Yeah . 1183.07 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1188.416 1190.364 1188.44 1190.2 Yeah , bu 1190.0 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1188.608 1200.8 1188.63 1200.8 Yeah but um on on that again I just thought 'cause you can get those key chains now and you whistle and then it'll let off a loud noise to let you know where it is so I thought that could be quite a - ES2004b A MEO015 0 1189.28 1189.9 1189.31 1189.66 Mm-hmm . 1189.66 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1196.232 1197.233 1196.31 1197.03 Oh yeah . 1197.03 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1198.992 1200.109 1199.17 1200.03 Right . 1200.03 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1200.72 1217.984 1200.74 1217.84 We do have a budget limitation that we can't control ourselves , so I think when we can take a cheaper option which still does the same kinda thing um because it is something I it needs to be the thing that you 1206.46 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1210.096 1210.64 1210.12 1210.55 Mm . 1210.55 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1218.605 1237.165 1218.65 1237.12 use to find it needs to be something that you don't lose , you were saying whistling , maybe on the T_V_ you could put like a pack on the T_V_ or something so you can't see the remote , you go and press the button on top of the T_V_ and it beeps and you're like oh okay it's over there , something like that , but that's that sounds a lot cheaper to me . 1221.77 1223.67 1228.87 1233.86 1234.81 1237.12 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1222.016 1223.593 1222.04 1223.39 Yeah . Yeah . 1222.95 1223.39 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1231.984 1232.668 1232.06 1232.55 Yes . 1232.55 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1232.089 1232.623 1232.15 1232.45 Yeah . 1232.45 ES2004b A MEO015 0 1232.004 1232.921 1232.39 1232.88 Okay . 1232.88 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1233.584 1234.72 1233.66 1234.69 That's a super idea . 1234.69 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1234.8 1237.552 1234.92 1237.15 Hmm . Yeah . 1236.79 1237.15 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1237.472 1238.112 1237.49 1237.95 Yeah . 1237.95 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1237.984 1252.594 1238.0 1252.53 Um the third thing was that we have to make sure the corporate image is very much incorporated into the handset . Um so we want logo , we want um 1247.66 1250.97 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1254.88 1258.592 1254.9 1258.56 fashionable , trendy , I mean what you were talking about with the marketing . 1255.73 1256.24 1258.56 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1259.264 1263.968 1259.31 1263.71 Um , people paying more for it to look good . 1259.94 1263.71 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1264.896 1267.902 1264.92 1267.81 Um , we need to focus on that as well . 1265.97 1267.81 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1266.288 1299.744 1267.35 1299.67 Yes , further market research will be needed to kind of focus on what that is , it's gonna be different for a fifteen year old th for somebody who's sixty and also across the world if we're aiming at the international market . What is um attractive to a trendy New Yorker and what is attractive to a retired South African , I dunno , you get the idea . It's it's gonna vary around the world . At the end of the day , th the engineering design is one thing , it's the user interface design that may and th the sort of you know fashionable aspect of it we might have to change for different markets round the world . 1267.81 1271.42 1277.82 1283.58 1284.65 1285.91 1287.72 1289.31 1291.54 1299.67 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1273.856 1274.496 1273.88 1274.46 Yeah . 1274.46 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1283.122 1284.435 1283.54 1283.98 Mm . 1283.98 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1294.096 1295.104 1294.12 1295.03 Yeah . 1295.03 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1299.728 1300.272 1299.75 1300.24 Yeah . 1300.24 ES2004b A MEO015 0 1300.192 1305.424 1300.21 1305.39 So are we talking of a single model or maybe five , six designs ? 1304.06 1305.39 ES2004b A MEO015 0 1306.273 1306.946 1306.29 1306.56 Sure . 1306.56 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1305.92 1312.08 1306.3 1312.04 Well y yeah you could you could have a number of different designs I mean inside they'd be essentially exactly the same . 1312.04 ES2004b A MEO015 0 1308.736 1309.176 1308.81 1309.0 Alright . 1309.0 ES2004b A MEO015 0 1311.699 1312.208 1311.92 1312.16 Right . 1312.16 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1312.224 1312.656 1312.25 1312.61 Mm-hmm . 1312.61 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1313.216 1317.2 1313.27 1317.16 Just yeah , yeah . 1316.75 1317.16 ES2004b A MEO015 0 1313.472 1316.985 1313.49 1316.65 The features could be same and the body could look slightly different . 1316.65 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1313.792 1314.224 1313.86 1314.19 Yeah . 1314.19 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1316.448 1316.8 1316.47 1316.75 Mm . 1316.75 ES2004b A MEO015 0 1318.048 1318.64 1318.07 1318.64 So - ES2004b B FEE013 1 1320.304 1334.784 1320.38 1334.69 What about you were talking about the buttons , um the controls that are coming out now have kind of big , rubber buttons , not tiny little one , big , rubber buttons , but what about , I mean , 'cause we got to make it original , 1323.95 1327.5 1328.98 1329.87 1330.08 1331.6 1332.24 1333.34 1334.69 ES2004b A MEO015 0 1323.024 1323.296 1323.05 1323.26 Yeah . 1323.26 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1335.264 1336.064 1335.28 1335.94 'Kay . 1335.94 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1335.984 1337.584 1336.2 1337.36 what about - ES2004b B FEE013 1 1338.672 1342.048 1338.69 1342.01 um you know with the touch screen computers - ES2004b C MEE014 2 1340.555 1344.65 1340.69 1344.62 Yeah , yeah that's what I was just yeah . 1341.24 1344.62 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1343.169 1353.942 1343.34 1353.942 yeah ? Um so you it's like a little panel that you touch rather than a button which shouldn't wear out as much either , not sure about the 1344.32 1352.7 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1352.593 1356.256 1352.9 1356.256 No , well no 'cause you wouldn't have to you don't actually have to press them you just 1353.22 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1354.787 1371.012 1355.18 1370.75 You don't have to press it , you just have to put your thumb onto it . Um , think that might appeal I'm thinking kind of Japan , I'm thinking uh young , um office people , trendy kind of a thing . 1355.96 1358.4 1359.33 1362.45 1366.28 1368.67 1370.75 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1357.472 1357.872 1357.49 1357.84 Yeah . 1357.84 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1366.496 1368.224 1366.52 1368.18 Mm . Mm-hmm . 1367.66 1368.18 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1369.584 1370.332 1369.74 1370.17 Yeah . 1370.17 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1369.984 1372.544 1370.01 1372.51 Yes it will appeal to sections of the market def - ES2004b B FEE013 1 1371.888 1385.648 1372.06 1385.648 Um , but quite , um , easily labelled so that anyone can oh yeah that's obvious what that's for and it's not daunting to maybe the older generations , um 1372.98 1374.08 1375.31 1385.12 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1380.288 1381.056 1380.31 1380.86 Mm-hmm . 1380.86 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1383.344 1385.024 1383.37 1384.95 Mm-hmm , mm . 1384.61 1384.95 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1383.861 1406.031 1384.1 1406.031 Mm . But also er ergonomics as we're saying with the different designs , ergonomics uh there's sort of physically different things 'cause um if you've ever seen the X_ Box they had to make two different sized controllers because people in Japan wouldn't buy it because the controller was physically to big because um 1384.96 1389.17 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1402.489 1403.771 1402.84 1403.57 Were too big . 1403.57 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1406.912 1423.792 1406.93 1423.76 they're c uh just generally Japanese people have smaller hands so they couldn't get round the controller which is uh so if you I don't know what 'cause you obviously you can have bigger buttons for some countries or something and smaller ones for others . 1423.76 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1410.736 1411.159 1410.76 1411.12 Mm . 1411.12 ES2004b A MEO015 0 1424.336 1434.602 1424.36 1434.27 Yeah , uh maybe to as uh it it was indicated that uh uh risk uh of uh repeated use , the injuries , maybe a touch screen could be a better option for that . 1424.91 1430.6 1431.77 1434.27 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1433.734 1435.776 1433.94 1435.73 Yeah . Yeah . 1435.31 1435.73 ES2004b A MEO015 0 1436.704 1453.078 1436.72 1452.86 So , a bigger b okay so y you're dividing designs based on not only segment age groups , you're desi uh dividing it according to the countries also , the market . Maybe for U_S_ and all you can have a slightly bigger remote control and maybe in Japan and all you need to have a small , yeah . 1437.6 1441.96 1445.53 1446.33 1452.51 1452.86 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1445.449 1446.128 1445.71 1446.05 Mm-hmm . 1446.05 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1448.915 1449.984 1449.05 1449.47 Yeah . 1449.47 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1452.032 1453.008 1452.19 1452.97 Hmm . 1452.97 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1452.046 1465.44 1452.56 1465.4 I think we have to design one product and then the company can take it wherever they want to uh in the sense that they can make it smaller , or they can make it bigger or they can change the features slightly , um . 1461.58 1464.87 1465.4 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1454.429 1455.035 1454.52 1454.71 Huh . 1454.71 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1455.84 1456.624 1456.0 1456.55 Yeah . 1456.55 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1461.68 1462.304 1461.7 1462.16 Yeah . 1462.16 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1463.556 1464.256 1463.76 1464.14 Mm-hmm . 1464.14 ES2004b A MEO015 0 1464.656 1465.239 1464.74 1464.95 Mm-hmm . 1464.95 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1465.264 1469.662 1465.28 1469.51 Th the internal d engineering design has got to remain the same , yes , absolutely . 1468.2 1468.77 1469.51 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1467.827 1477.184 1467.96 1477.15 It's gonna be the same , so we need to focus on just one thing , not get bogged down in lots of different um possibilities , um . 1469.17 1471.42 1476.55 1477.15 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1471.256 1471.888 1471.32 1471.69 Yeah . 1471.69 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1471.286 1471.884 1471.32 1471.64 Mm-hmm . 1471.64 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1475.744 1476.224 1475.77 1476.17 Mm-hmm . 1476.17 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1477.536 1494.896 1477.56 1494.85 I'm concerned , when you read the the R_S_I_ issue again , repetitive strain injury , I don't think just moving your finger around on a small screen is going to deal with that enough , I think that is still a kind of a question mark issue how we deal with that . Um , R_S_I_ tends to be caused by repetitive small movements . 1478.24 1480.24 1482.24 1485.81 1489.82 1491.48 1494.85 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1491.167 1492.108 1491.38 1492.01 Yeah . 1492.01 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1496.048 1501.936 1496.07 1501.79 I'm j I really can't get my head round this one , this may have to be postponed to a future meeting but it's something we should think about . 1497.96 1501.79 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1498.089 1498.672 1498.23 1498.64 Yeah . 1498.64 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1501.552 1513.088 1501.92 1513.05 I yeah I was just thinking about how you could combat that 'cause without without doing something where you have to move your arm around to change the channel and it becomes yeah . 1513.05 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1504.576 1505.137 1504.62 1505.0 Mm . 1505.0 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1510.406 1513.435 1510.52 1513.22 I know , and it becomes ridiculous , yes I know . 1510.93 1512.13 1513.22 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1512.56 1519.96 1512.86 1519.74 Or a speech recognition , which is extremely expensive , I think that's the only way that you kind of avoid 1515.04 1517.21 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1514.224 1517.264 1514.24 1517.23 Yeah , speech recognition , but yeah . 1514.53 1515.36 1517.23 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1514.27 1514.704 1514.44 1514.64 Yeah . 1514.64 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1517.2 1517.987 1517.26 1517.82 Yes . 1517.82 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1519.6 1520.048 1519.63 1520.01 Mm-hmm . 1520.01 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1520.816 1521.824 1520.84 1521.77 that kind of issue . 1521.77 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1521.776 1528.8 1522.11 1528.75 Do we have to initially um , you know looking at the findings here , focus on 1525.25 1527.54 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1529.938 1538.064 1530.2 1538.03 a younger age group initially and then broaden out the market later . Do we really have to go for everyone right away ? Um . 1534.26 1537.57 1538.03 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1537.088 1537.413 1537.12 1537.34 Mm . 1537.34 ES2004b A MEO015 0 1537.016 1539.488 1537.5 1539.4 We could focus on the biggest market . 1539.4 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1539.6 1540.256 1539.65 1540.2 Mm . 1540.2 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1540.176 1541.515 1540.22 1541.515 Ge uh - ES2004b A MEO015 0 1540.233 1543.967 1540.4 1543.64 If say people between age group of twenty to thirty five are the biggest market ? 1543.64 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1542.246 1548.246 1542.65 1547.87 And when we've been throwing up our ideas we're automatically talking about business people , young people , trendy people . 1546.53 1547.13 1547.87 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1547.189 1550.208 1547.52 1550.02 We are we're talking about um - ES2004b B FEE013 1 1551.984 1579.872 1552.03 1579.83 the type of company that we're working for as well . That they want um it to be fashionable , they want it to be trendy and you wouldn't automatically assume associate that with the older generations . Now with the baby boomers , the older generations are actually larger , they have a greater population than us young people , but I don't think we're focusing on that , I think we are focusing on a sort of mid-range um , 1554.96 1557.85 1565.2 1568.22 1570.5 1574.18 1575.75 1579.83 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1564.512 1564.96 1564.53 1564.93 Mm . 1564.93 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1571.852 1572.4 1571.95 1572.37 Yeah . 1572.37 ES2004b A MEO015 0 1572.59 1573.347 1572.74 1573.04 Mm-hmm . 1573.04 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1573.376 1574.08 1573.4 1573.94 Mm-hmm . 1573.94 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1578.381 1579.248 1578.56 1579.18 Mm . 1579.18 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1580.876 1583.76 1581.24 1583.61 business kind of class type people . 1583.61 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1582.528 1593.392 1582.61 1593.35 Mm . I'm just thinking of budgetary issues too , for when it does get to the sort of broad scale marketing stage , we want to , you know , not waste money , not be profligate and uh 1583.4 1585.81 1588.78 1589.41 1589.83 1590.96 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1592.176 1592.64 1592.2 1592.61 Mm-hmm . 1592.61 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1595.36 1603.024 1595.38 1602.76 you know focus on where the idea will be taken up , first it's most likely to be taken up first of all where the main purchasing power is coming from for a product like this . 1597.72 1602.76 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1604.688 1616.236 1604.71 1616.12 Okay , so the remote control functions . Um we've got the T_V_ , we've got the video , now there's um 1605.54 1609.42 1612.95 1614.54 ES2004b A MEO015 0 1612.48 1613.108 1612.5 1612.81 Mm-hmm . 1612.81 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1617.472 1624.464 1617.5 1623.92 I can't remember what it's called , the little code at the end of programme details , yes . 1618.61 1623.2 1623.92 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1622.368 1623.811 1622.4 1623.51 Video plus . 1623.51 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1625.776 1637.632 1625.8 1637.55 We could use that as an alternative to programming in times , things like that , is that I always found that really easy when I discovered it , um 1631.4 1632.46 1637.06 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1631.856 1633.2 1631.98 1633.15 Yeah yeah . 1633.15 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1635.265 1635.761 1635.41 1635.6 Mm . 1635.6 ES2004b A MEO015 0 1636.608 1636.944 1636.65 1636.89 Mm-hmm . 1636.89 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1638.64 1658.8 1638.84 1658.77 because you've got your general record anyway so if you there's a programme on you want to put record on , that's fine , but if you do want to tape something in two days time and you're not sure if you're going to , you put the number in and it's just a number , it's not a date , it's not a time , it's not a channel , it's not when it finishes , it's not anything like that , it's just a number . 1644.86 1646.04 1649.79 1652.55 1653.45 1654.02 1654.78 1655.94 1657.71 1658.77 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1647.712 1649.332 1647.81 1649.11 Just whack in the number . 1649.11 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1656.735 1665.584 1656.87 1665.55 And you w yeah . And you wouldn't you wouldn't need uh a whole host of extra buttons for that , you just need one 'cause you've already got all the numbers there anyway , yeah . 1658.94 1662.37 1665.32 1665.55 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1662.464 1662.922 1662.48 1662.86 No . 1662.86 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1664.104 1666.448 1664.23 1666.41 You've already got the numbers for typing in anyway . 1666.41 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1665.648 1670.432 1665.69 1670.39 Right , I've not come across that function but it sounds wonderful . 1666.49 1670.39 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1669.376 1694.641 1669.4 1694.55 It is after um if you look in the newspaper , T_V_ guide or any T_V_ guide there's a five , six digit number afterwards and that's the number you put in and it's recorded that it's going to be on on Tuesdays at ten o'clock on the seventeenth so you don't have to worry about dates and you don't have to worry about times , um and it has been around for quite a long time . 1672.39 1675.75 1691.04 1694.55 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1671.633 1672.803 1671.85 1672.803 It's not - ES2004b C MEE014 2 1675.888 1676.432 1675.91 1676.4 Yeah . 1676.4 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1679.52 1680.352 1679.6 1680.27 Ah , hmm . 1680.05 1680.27 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1689.815 1690.665 1690.16 1690.56 Right . 1690.56 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1693.296 1699.258 1693.47 1699.12 It's been been around for a long time it's just it's not very well advertised as to how to use it and things . 1699.12 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1696.912 1702.881 1697.12 1702.881 No it's not um but I think if awareness was kind of brought to the forefront about that - ES2004b D FEE016 3 1697.184 1699.055 1698.1 1698.61 Superb . 1698.61 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1700.587 1701.216 1700.76 1701.18 Mm . 1701.18 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1701.92 1714.608 1702.08 1714.57 Mm . Though if y if you've got something like Sky anyway you can just click on it you can just press the button on the programme once and it'll record that programme when it's on and you press it on it twice and it'll record the whole series . 1703.3 1714.57 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1702.464 1703.2 1702.49 1703.17 Yes . 1703.17 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1711.204 1712.046 1711.46 1711.79 Mm . 1711.79 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1711.408 1712.525 1711.5 1712.21 Right . 1712.21 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1714.528 1716.428 1714.61 1716.36 Excellent , mm-hmm . 1715.9 1716.36 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1716.0 1722.224 1716.08 1722.03 So that yeah . But just to have that function would be would be really good . 1718.63 1722.03 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1717.76 1718.341 1717.78 1718.01 Mm . 1718.01 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1720.489 1721.431 1720.74 1721.28 Right . 1721.28 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1721.983 1722.992 1722.21 1722.992 Okay so - ES2004b D FEE016 3 1723.072 1769.2 1723.2 1769.14 Can I just run this past you while it occurs to me , I don't mean to quickly jump from one subject to another , but just discussing the different age groups and targeting the different age groups it occurs to me , to produce our own mobile phones , that that's kind of what led us on to comparing T_V_ remote controls with with their design features , um , chain companies like Carphone Warehouse , you can pop in anytime with a phone that you bought for them w if you've got any problems with it and they'll fix it , they'll phone the company , you can use their telephones . Is it worthwhile with with our retail outlets having a a similar um kind of service so that if older users were deterred from buying this , if they know they can just pop into one of our high street outlets , th you know , which button is it I press for this ? Th as free as a free aspect of our service , would that not make it more attractive to them ? 1725.29 1728.08 1733.2 1734.73 1739.63 1741.09 1743.07 1747.4 1748.31 1750.78 1759.85 1762.25 1763.89 1765.11 1767.69 1769.14 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1747.31 1747.872 1747.48 1747.84 Yeah . 1747.84 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1748.427 1749.196 1748.56 1748.98 Mm-hmm . 1748.98 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1769.12 1794.512 1769.22 1794.512 Mm . But the only problem is that with a mobile phone you signed for a contract so they um the companies who uh who you deal with have actually they've they've got an obligation to to help you out and also I mean it's it's fair enough to have some sort of help service but I I'm not sure how much the cost would be of having 1770.63 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1782.816 1784.77 1782.86 1784.38 Mm . Mm-hmm . 1784.08 1784.38 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1793.792 1794.496 1793.81 1794.4 Right . 1794.4 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1793.504 1800.498 1794.43 1800.41 The functionality of it in the sense that you're sitting there , you're pressing this button and your T_V_'s not doing it . 1797.79 1800.41 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1800.345 1801.2 1800.71 1801.17 Alright . 1801.17 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1801.232 1805.952 1801.25 1805.92 Taking your T_V_ and your control and saying look this is what I'm doing , it's not working , what should I do ? 1804.39 1804.99 1805.92 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1802.512 1803.963 1802.512 1803.54 Yes - ES2004b D FEE016 3 1804.704 1817.296 1804.704 1816.22 If it was something as simple as you couldn't change the channel , but I mean for if there were any more or are we absolutely definite it's only gonna be for T_V_ and video , we're not gonna put any okay , just a thought . 1808.28 1813.23 1815.48 1816.22 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1813.424 1814.128 1813.45 1814.128 Yeah , I mean 1813.67 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1813.532 1816.128 1813.66 1816.128 I think so . Um 1815.42 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1816.368 1820.336 1816.39 1820.14 I mean instru instruction books I feel c I reckon can cover that . 1820.14 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1818.176 1836.415 1818.27 1836.34 Instruction manuals . But I mean they're there's customer service , there will be a customer service number thing that you can phone up and speak to and that way there's no call out charge , there's no extra , t the person has to walk to a shop on the high street , um . 1819.72 1823.07 1831.25 1832.22 1835.76 1836.34 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1819.415 1820.122 1819.52 1820.01 Okay . 1820.01 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1823.168 1824.048 1823.19 1823.96 Yeah . 1823.96 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1825.173 1826.704 1825.4 1826.49 Department , yeah . 1825.95 1826.49 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1825.616 1826.202 1825.64 1826.08 Mm-hmm . 1826.08 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1828.33 1829.088 1828.43 1829.0 Sure . 1829.0 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1832.864 1833.44 1832.9 1833.35 Mm . 1833.35 ES2004b A MEO015 0 1833.801 1843.441 1833.96 1843.27 Right . I think it will be too much of an effort for a person to for a phone maybe he might walk down the street , but for a remote he will just refer to the manual and all that . 1835.6 1840.36 1843.27 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1834.755 1835.2 1834.89 1835.16 Yeah . 1835.16 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1839.404 1840.096 1839.56 1840.04 Yeah . 1840.04 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1841.872 1845.536 1841.9 1845.5 Not for such simple functions because we're focusing on that , yes okay . 1844.68 1845.5 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1842.272 1845.136 1842.29 1845.1 And they're yeah , they should be f yeah . 1843.49 1845.1 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1843.958 1879.392 1844.07 1879.22 Mm . But we should focus on making the manual as user-friendly as possible because a lot of them are just tiny little writing and lots and lots of pages . It does , you just put it in the drawer until something goes wrong and then you try and search through it , so that should be something we think about . Um , what other functions ? We need I'm not sure if we need a design um decision now , but we should think about c 'cause you've got the dilemma between oh batteries , that's what I was thinking about . Mobile phone batteries , what kinda battery is that ? 1844.69 1854.3 1854.87 1858.16 1861.23 1862.4 1863.46 1869.57 1875.84 1877.14 1878.09 1879.22 ES2004b A MEO015 0 1847.488 1848.112 1847.51 1847.87 Simple . 1847.87 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1848.576 1849.253 1848.6 1849.14 Mm . 1849.14 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1848.817 1849.296 1848.94 1849.2 Yeah . 1849.2 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1850.82 1851.744 1850.92 1851.67 Yeah . 1851.67 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1853.296 1856.08 1853.34 1855.86 Puts people off reading them so they just do the obvious , yes . 1855.43 1855.86 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1853.873 1855.085 1854.03 1854.87 It's the uh yeah . 1854.87 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1858.376 1860.32 1858.4 1860.28 Sure , okay . 1859.86 1860.28 ES2004b A MEO015 0 1860.799 1861.431 1860.91 1861.14 Mm-hmm . 1861.14 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1879.536 1889.877 1879.56 1889.877 Um they're they're specially made for the for the mobile phones , but they come with a charger , I mean you could you could bundle a charger in with it but 1885.61 1886.94 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1888.476 1910.128 1888.54 1910.03 Well they la they they last quite a long time , and if you had uh when you th the thing that you get with mobile house phones , you sit it in its charger when you're not using it or t at night or something , but it doesn't really matter 'cause it never really runs out 'cause it lasts a long time once it is charged . Um , something like that should reduce the size of it . 1891.92 1897.72 1901.69 1906.74 1907.15 1910.03 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1891.344 1892.016 1891.37 1891.86 Mm-hmm . 1891.86 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1897.036 1897.936 1897.23 1897.87 Yeah . 1897.87 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1900.432 1901.368 1900.46 1900.83 Yeah . 1900.83 ES2004b A MEO015 0 1900.433 1901.502 1900.73 1901.39 Mm-hmm . 1901.39 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1904.784 1905.453 1904.96 1905.32 Yeah . 1905.32 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1908.944 1917.344 1909.09 1917.344 Yeah and if yeah if you if you had if you had one of those uh just coming back to your other point about pressing the button and setting off the bleeper in the room that could uh - ES2004b B FEE013 1 1918.176 1921.104 1918.2 1921.07 Yeah it could be on that yeah , okay . 1920.57 1921.07 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1919.108 1920.864 1919.28 1920.56 Yeah on that as well so . 1920.56 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1922.4 1922.923 1922.51 1922.83 S - ES2004b A MEO015 0 1922.496 1926.494 1922.53 1926.16 So are we talking of a concept of a rechargeable something on the remote ? 1926.16 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1925.143 1929.84 1925.52 1929.7 Yeah some sort of docking station or yeah . 1929.7 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1925.822 1926.722 1926.1 1926.66 Yes . 1926.66 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1927.696 1929.705 1927.73 1929.46 Rechargeable with a docking station . 1929.46 ES2004b A MEO015 0 1927.712 1928.276 1927.74 1928.16 Mm-hmm . 1928.16 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1930.72 1932.672 1930.74 1932.61 So the rechargeable which would be your - ES2004b C MEE014 2 1932.736 1939.718 1933.38 1939.63 Yeah yeah th yeah that that'd be fine , and also that would mean they wouldn't have to go out buying batteries all the time . 1936.17 1939.63 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1933.882 1934.416 1934.02 1934.38 field . 1934.38 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1936.053 1936.911 1936.13 1936.67 Okay . 1936.67 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1939.352 1962.496 1939.52 1962.496 Yes , which it is cheaper in the long run as well . Um , th the shape you got trendy . I don't wanna big box with lots of things , you don't want a tiny sort of little thing either , because then you have got the repetitive strain injury no matter how many how much you try and make it simple , um 1940.34 1942.91 1943.42 1947.7 1951.24 1954.98 1961.92 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1939.792 1940.992 1939.81 1940.56 Mm-hmm . 1940.56 ES2004b A MEO015 0 1939.724 1940.532 1939.86 1940.14 Right . 1940.14 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1941.288 1942.096 1941.38 1941.75 Yeah . 1941.75 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1953.184 1953.895 1953.34 1953.66 Mm-hmm . 1953.66 ES2004b A MEO015 0 1954.704 1955.04 1954.73 1955.0 Mm-hmm . 1955.0 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1959.23 1959.864 1959.26 1959.62 Mm . 1959.62 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1962.44 1977.724 1962.61 1977.64 And we don't w I mean so many remote controls look absolutely identical , these long , brown things with the same coloured buttons all crammed in on the s the surface . We definitely an ob an obvious thing , a very simple thing is to get away from these brown rectangles , we don't want that . 1966.08 1966.62 1970.58 1972.5 1976.17 1977.64 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1965.871 1966.931 1966.09 1966.76 They do . 1966.76 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1966.084 1966.597 1966.24 1966.56 Yeah . 1966.56 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1976.641 1978.784 1977.18 1978.75 Okay so we've got a flip-screen . 1978.75 ES2004b A MEO015 0 1977.148 1978.032 1977.87 1977.99 Okay . 1977.99 ES2004b B FEE013 1 1979.853 1980.888 1980.08 1980.888 Um - ES2004b A MEO015 0 1982.288 2006.017 1982.82 2005.88 What I was thinking of a design which Nokia h uh came up with almost six or seven years back . Basically we have a flat one it it looks like a box , like a chocolate . That's very strenuous because your thumb is slightly up , so they came up with something like this , curled up , so here , and you don't have to you don't bend your thumb too much , so it's like uh you can say a banana shape kind of thing , curled up like a boat . 1988.46 1991.85 1992.79 1995.85 1997.99 1998.39 1999.46 2002.18 2004.85 2005.88 ES2004b C MEE014 2 1991.408 1992.736 1991.51 1992.52 Yeah . 1992.52 ES2004b D FEE016 3 1995.472 1995.872 1995.5 1995.84 Mm-hmm . 1995.84 ES2004b D FEE016 3 2003.192 2005.706 2003.79 2005.52 Slightly curved , curved . 2005.01 2005.52 ES2004b C MEE014 2 2004.971 2005.936 2005.14 2005.82 Yeah . 2005.82 ES2004b B FEE013 1 2005.92 2006.56 2005.98 2006.53 Okay . 2006.53 ES2004b A MEO015 0 2007.228 2011.849 2007.44 2011.69 G uh so what happens is you don't have to press your thumb too down like . 2011.69 ES2004b A MEO015 0 2012.428 2019.01 2012.49 2019.01 So it's already curled up so your thumb doesn't y yeah so we can have a s like you know moulded according to your - ES2004b D FEE016 3 2013.015 2013.824 2013.17 2013.65 Mm . 2013.65 ES2004b B FEE013 1 2013.516 2015.68 2013.81 2015.63 'Cause it's kind of moulded to your hand anyway . 2015.63 ES2004b D FEE016 3 2015.84 2016.47 2015.87 2016.37 Mm . 2016.37 ES2004b C MEE014 2 2019.693 2020.336 2019.84 2020.13 Yeah . 2020.13 ES2004b A MEO015 0 2019.71 2023.632 2019.97 2023.59 the way you h hold of it's kind of semi-circular in the bottom , something like that . 2023.08 2023.59 ES2004b B FEE013 1 2023.829 2024.544 2024.01 2024.51 Okay . 2024.51 ES2004b A MEO015 0 2024.8 2027.583 2024.82 2027.46 I wouldn't say exactly semi-circular but yeah smooth . 2027.46 ES2004b B FEE013 1 2026.344 2030.32 2026.4 2030.26 Can you look into the company logo ? 2030.26 ES2004b B FEE013 1 2031.381 2041.344 2031.5 2041.3 Um , things that are associated with the company in view to trying to incorporate that into the design of the product . I mean 2032.06 2040.79 ES2004b A MEO015 0 2040.254 2041.375 2040.43 2041.23 Current . 2041.23 ES2004b B FEE013 1 2043.002 2058.928 2043.22 2058.75 for example , if it was a C_ or something like that , you could have it in a vague C_ shape that opens up kind of like a shell , or something , um something along those lines to be able to incorporate it quite 2043.94 2047.62 2052.6 2053.94 ES2004b A MEO015 0 2051.052 2052.98 2051.16 2052.9 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 2052.43 2052.9 ES2004b B FEE013 1 2060.134 2066.48 2060.4 2066.45 um obviously into the design , while also making it quite different from anything else that's there . 2063.38 2066.45 ES2004b A MEO015 0 2066.958 2068.561 2067.28 2068.561 We could look in at that but - ES2004b D FEE016 3 2067.776 2069.344 2067.8 2069.23 I mean look at the mobile . 2069.23 ES2004b C MEE014 2 2069.488 2069.936 2069.52 2069.9 Mm . 2069.9 ES2004b A MEO015 0 2069.631 2072.784 2069.81 2072.74 Mm . What we were talking is to make it more 2070.96 ES2004b A MEO015 0 2074.08 2083.883 2074.1 2083.68 rather than like sea-shells , logo could become as you could put a logo in the corner of uh the model , rather than you know , trying to make it like a sea shell or whatever you were ta telling like . 2075.13 2079.89 2080.51 2083.68 ES2004b B FEE013 1 2082.784 2086.257 2083.41 2085.99 Well we need to think about how it's gonna look different . 2085.99 ES2004b D FEE016 3 2086.747 2121.264 2087.03 2121.21 I think that's that sounds a really attractive idea , I've not come across anything like that before , if it kind of yeah and that opens out into your flip-top . Then it's nice t to h you can make it lightweight plastic , nice to hold in the palm of the hand and just because you're having to actually insert in between the two covers , that's gonna take care of some of the repetitive strain injury trying p prevent a lot of that I would think . I think it's a really nice idea and plus you can get you know even though we're using plastic , you can still I mean think of the designs you can get in plastic , we can do a nice conch shell or scallop shell exterior . 2090.17 2092.77 2095.7 2098.33 2103.38 2108.8 2114.41 2116.7 2121.21 ES2004b A MEO015 0 2089.959 2091.112 2090.25 2090.98 A sea shell ? 2090.98 ES2004b C MEE014 2 2095.566 2096.145 2095.59 2096.08 Yeah . 2096.08 ES2004b A MEO015 0 2110.528 2111.796 2110.55 2111.72 Yeah we could look in at that . 2111.72 ES2004b B FEE013 1 2121.325 2138.671 2121.65 2138.671 Or you could do um different , like you get with mobile phones , different fascias . You could have different kind of casings . So you could have like psychedelic ones for younger people and sleek ones and 2124.36 2125.7 2127.7 2131.0 ES2004b C MEE014 2 2127.332 2127.856 2127.45 2127.81 Mm . 2127.81 ES2004b D FEE016 3 2127.776 2128.368 2127.8 2128.25 Mm-hmm . 2128.25 ES2004b D FEE016 3 2130.704 2131.24 2130.72 2131.09 Yeah . 2131.09 ES2004b D FEE016 3 2133.051 2133.728 2133.2 2133.58 Mm-hmm . 2133.58 ES2004b D FEE016 3 2137.959 2155.76 2138.3 2155.53 Less chance of it being lost too , it's not like a chocolate brown lozenge that's gonna go down the sofa and people might want to put it on their mantelpiece or whatever as a ki if it looks attractive enough as a kind of ornament they don't not gonna lose it so much either . It's easier to bit nice to handle . 2139.74 2151.62 2155.53 ES2004b B FEE013 1 2142.718 2143.714 2142.98 2143.58 Yeah . 2143.58 ES2004b B FEE013 1 2153.216 2153.76 2153.25 2153.73 Mm . 2153.73 ES2004b A MEO015 0 2154.528 2161.664 2154.55 2161.63 Yeah maybe we could come at some say five , six des designs and then choose which are whichever appeals the most like , that could be the most common design . 2156.28 2160.31 2161.63 ES2004b B FEE013 1 2158.621 2159.33 2158.76 2159.24 Okay . 2159.24 ES2004b C MEE014 2 2159.276 2159.975 2159.39 2159.79 Yeah . 2159.79 ES2004b D FEE016 3 2159.344 2159.908 2159.41 2159.8 Mm-hmm . 2159.8 ES2004b B FEE013 1 2160.344 2160.883 2160.38 2160.83 Okay . 2160.83 ES2004b D FEE016 3 2161.904 2162.793 2161.98 2162.64 Okay . 2162.64 ES2004b B FEE013 1 2162.51 2163.108 2162.53 2162.91 Okay . 2162.91 ES2004b A MEO015 0 2162.8 2164.843 2162.83 2164.61 But we can like think of five , six designs . 2163.94 2164.61 ES2004b B FEE013 1 2164.614 2167.76 2164.98 2167.76 Right , I think we have to round it up , um 2165.29 2166.82 ES2004b D FEE016 3 2167.824 2181.76 2167.99 2181.32 Can I just quickly um go over the new project requirements so that I haven't missed anything . So it's no teletext , it's only for T_V_ and by implication video , our corporate image should be incorporated in the remote control , um something about Videoplus . 2171.96 2173.25 2175.18 2179.15 2181.32 ES2004b B FEE013 1 2168.593 2169.409 2168.85 2169.25 Sure . 2169.25 ES2004b A MEO015 0 2174.791 2175.388 2175.08 2175.33 Mm-hmm . 2175.33 ES2004b B FEE013 1 2182.336 2196.185 2182.36 2196.185 That was um in cutting down the number that was kinda separate that was cutting down the number of functions , making it simpler so instead of having lots of things you put in for date 2190.67 ES2004b D FEE016 3 2188.469 2189.588 2188.74 2189.3 Right . 2189.3 ES2004b D FEE016 3 2190.096 2190.995 2190.2 2190.93 Right . 2190.93 ES2004b D FEE016 3 2194.032 2200.912 2194.12 2200.912 Right , so when they press for programming you it comes up on the L_C_D_ , a reminder about using Videoplus ? So that they have a look at the guide and 2194.47 2197.21 2199.6 ES2004b D FEE016 3 2202.304 2206.848 2202.32 2206.65 Or was is this nothing to do with the project requirements , is this just that was an add-on feature ? 2204.4 2206.65 ES2004b B FEE013 1 2206.707 2215.924 2206.707 2215.89 It's kinda takes the place of having a button to press for the date and having the button to press for the channel , things like that . Um it could be it c 2213.06 2214.44 ES2004b D FEE016 3 2208.768 2209.152 2208.79 2209.12 Uh-huh . 2209.12 ES2004b D FEE016 3 2211.52 2212.16 2211.55 2211.94 Right . 2211.94 ES2004b D FEE016 3 2213.44 2218.112 2213.46 2218.07 Right , so it's kind of doing away with the programming feature ? Right . 2214.28 2217.38 2218.07 ES2004b B FEE013 1 2216.545 2226.206 2216.57 2226.02 It yes , it could be uh adv advertisement feature , um rather than design feature , you know , drawing attention to that . 2217.39 2221.58 2224.05 2224.64 2226.02 ES2004b C MEE014 2 2216.539 2217.456 2216.73 2217.01 Yeah . 2217.01 ES2004b B FEE013 1 2226.689 2235.619 2226.71 2235.57 And it also paid um lip service in the instruction manual , 'cause it's very simple so putting it down in words should be helpful . 2230.98 2235.57 ES2004b D FEE016 3 2235.072 2241.968 2235.19 2241.93 Mm , and the rechargeable batteries . Was there anything else there that we in the new new project requirements ? 2235.69 2237.39 2241.93 ES2004b B FEE013 1 2237.088 2237.456 2237.11 2237.42 Yeah . 2237.42 ES2004b B FEE013 1 2239.128 2240.481 2239.128 2240.481 Um - ES2004b A MEO015 0 2248.688 2249.953 2248.82 2249.953 Yeah . 2249.81 ES2004b B FEE013 1 2249.488 2256.944 2249.64 2256.75 We've got the buttons but I think we'll work through that with the design of it , um . 2256.5 2256.75 ES2004b A MEO015 0 2252.736 2253.104 2252.76 2253.06 Yeah . 2253.06 ES2004b D FEE016 3 2255.696 2263.315 2255.75 2263.1 Mm-hmm . That's not at the moment a requirement , it's something we're looking at , what preference so it may come round to market research at some point to see what people would like . 2257.09 2258.34 2259.35 2263.1 ES2004b B FEE013 1 2259.075 2260.952 2259.27 2260.84 Yes . Yes . 2260.09 2260.84 ES2004b B FEE013 1 2261.968 2268.48 2261.99 2268.45 And we've talked about um there being an alarm or something , a beeping for being lost , um . 2264.91 2267.95 2268.45 ES2004b A MEO015 0 2264.925 2267.792 2265.43 2267.73 For detection , right . 2267.39 2267.73 ES2004b C MEE014 2 2265.392 2266.368 2265.45 2266.33 Yeah . 2266.33 ES2004b B FEE013 1 2270.032 2283.872 2270.05 2283.84 Learning how to use it should be as simple as possible . But there aren't gonna be that func that many functions incorporated into it so it should be fine and the I the instruction manual , I don't know if we deal with that , um . 2273.08 2280.85 2283.16 2283.84 ES2004b B FEE013 1 2285.888 2286.704 2285.95 2286.704 I think - ES2004b B FEE013 1 2289.824 2294.238 2289.84 2294.14 Yep , and different from what's out there . Yep , I think that's us . 2290.66 2292.66 2293.25 2294.14 ES2004b A MEO015 0 2290.079 2291.568 2290.3 2291.568 Yep , I think 2291.1 ES2004b D FEE016 3 2292.048 2292.84 2292.21 2292.73 Okay . 2292.73 ES2004b D FEE016 3 2293.984 2300.08 2294.55 2300.04 What would you specifically like marketing to look at before the next meeting ? Or shall I just sort of generally look at all the issues involved ? 2297.31 2300.04 ES2004b A MEO015 0 2294.446 2295.296 2294.79 2295.02 True . 2295.02 ES2004b C MEE014 2 2294.986 2295.718 2295.26 2295.55 Okay . 2295.55 ES2004b B FEE013 1 2300.096 2303.904 2300.12 2303.75 I think you might get guidance , but um 2301.91 ES2004b B FEE013 1 2305.392 2305.68 2305.5 2305.64 I th - ES2004b B FEE013 1 2307.079 2309.792 2307.17 2309.76 Instruction manuals , 'cause there tends to be a 2308.49 ES2004b D FEE016 3 2308.48 2309.068 2308.52 2308.85 Okay . 2308.85 ES2004b B FEE013 1 2311.584 2318.6 2311.6 2318.51 demonised thing , u um , they're everyone's got like a big pile of them , but no one really uses them . 2313.27 2314.09 2316.86 2318.51 ES2004b D FEE016 3 2318.482 2319.312 2318.57 2319.14 Okay . 2319.14 ES2004b B FEE013 1 2319.296 2319.855 2319.32 2319.74 Um . 2319.74 ES2004b D FEE016 3 2322.56 2324.272 2322.73 2324.24 Whoops , questionnaire four . 2323.36 2324.24 ES2004b A MEO015 0 2323.024 2324.558 2323.04 2324.11 Oops . We should f 2323.57 ES2004b B FEE013 1 2323.753 2326.0 2324.14 2325.97 Yes , right . Okay . 2324.77 2325.55 2325.97 ES2004b D FEE016 3 2325.28 2327.122 2325.3 2326.99 'Cause we're at lunchtime now I think . 2326.99 ES2004b A MEO015 0 2325.384 2326.864 2325.59 2326.8 I think it's time for us to - ES2004b A MEO015 0 2329.264 2329.856 2329.28 2329.68 get back to - ES2004b B FEE013 1 2330.368 2331.536 2330.87 2331.5 Right , okay . 2331.05 2331.5 ES2004b B FEE013 1 2333.312 2337.44 2333.43 2337.39 I think you can email me , if there's any more questions . 2335.43 2337.39 ES2004b B FEE013 1 2339.232 2342.211 2339.29 2341.97 Um and I'll be able to not answer them . 2341.97 ES2004c B FEE013 1 0.0 2.806 0.02 2.03 I'll wait until you're all um hooked up . 2.03 ES2004c D FEE016 3 17.379 19.197 17.57 19.13 Oh good grief . 19.13 ES2004c D FEE016 3 22.689 23.295 22.85 23.19 'Kay . 23.19 ES2004c B FEE013 1 29.611 30.52 29.76 30.24 Okay . 30.24 ES2004c D FEE016 3 49.827 50.685 50.13 50.55 Oh . 50.55 ES2004c B FEE013 1 52.113 54.976 52.39 54.75 Put it on in that way . Thanks . 54.47 54.75 ES2004c A MEO015 0 53.98 54.502 54.23 54.43 Oops . 54.43 ES2004c B FEE013 1 78.048 78.592 78.08 78.56 Okay . 78.56 ES2004c A MEO015 0 79.184 79.648 79.22 79.6 Mm . 79.6 ES2004c B FEE013 1 79.728 83.904 80.08 83.87 Welcome back everybody , hope you've had fun . 82.7 83.87 ES2004c A MEO015 0 82.272 83.362 82.47 83.27 After lunch . 83.27 ES2004c A MEO015 0 84.992 85.592 85.13 85.36 Yeah . 85.36 ES2004c B FEE013 1 85.424 93.552 85.44 93.52 Right um this is our conceptual design meeting , um I think we're slightly ahead of ourselves 89.44 ES2004c A MEO015 0 89.088 90.384 89.18 89.94 Mm-hmm . 89.94 ES2004c B FEE013 1 94.752 99.728 94.77 99.69 from the last meeting , I th I I think yeah um . 96.77 99.69 ES2004c C MEE014 2 95.984 98.954 96.01 98.26 Yeah , yeah I was getting that impression as well . 96.77 98.26 ES2004c A MEO015 0 96.336 96.672 96.42 96.63 Mm-hmm . 96.63 ES2004c D FEE016 3 97.863 98.553 98.28 98.41 Mm . 98.41 ES2004c B FEE013 1 100.928 111.632 101.04 111.6 This is where we talk about um properties , materials , user-interface and trend-watching . 107.01 108.23 111.6 ES2004c C MEE014 2 109.7 110.567 109.85 110.42 Etcetera . 110.42 ES2004c D FEE016 3 111.888 112.336 111.92 112.28 Mm-hmm . 112.28 ES2004c B FEE013 1 112.672 115.04 112.69 115.01 So I think we've touched on a few things - ES2004c B FEE013 1 116.624 119.04 116.64 118.91 to do with that already , but we'll just go over it . 117.76 118.91 ES2004c B FEE013 1 120.384 121.104 120.4 121.07 Um - ES2004c B FEE013 1 122.96 143.408 122.98 143.36 the minutes from the last time . Um we had a couple of um changes in our plans in that we couldn't use teletext , it wasn't gonna be a control for everything um and that we had to incorporate the image of the company into it somehow . Um 126.02 133.73 142.8 ES2004c B FEE013 1 144.704 165.44 144.72 165.39 we have decided on a leaving out the voice recognition , we've decided on there being a flip design and um a different shape from what's normal . We were thinking a shell , but something along those lines , just a different shape from what's normal , um . 151.65 160.44 161.33 162.63 164.79 165.39 ES2004c B FEE013 1 168.289 172.144 168.97 172.1 You were going to look into the rechargeable batteries - ES2004c C MEE014 2 172.186 172.96 172.32 172.65 Yeah . 172.65 ES2004c B FEE013 1 173.101 192.848 173.31 192.848 and we were gonna think about the port and an alarm for getting it lost , things like that , um and our market was going to be young , business , kind of range . Okay , so shall we start with the first presentation ? Yes if you feel 178.09 179.39 184.87 186.39 188.62 189.12 191.93 ES2004c C MEE014 2 177.664 178.144 177.68 178.07 Yeah . 178.07 ES2004c A MEO015 0 188.08 188.416 188.1 188.36 'Kay . 188.36 ES2004c D FEE016 3 191.216 194.857 191.24 194.51 Shall I ? Okay . We just connect up . 192.1 193.33 194.51 ES2004c A MEO015 0 191.744 192.294 191.78 192.17 Yep . 192.17 ES2004c D FEE016 3 200.723 201.488 201.1 201.44 Thank you . 201.44 ES2004c D FEE016 3 217.562 228.56 217.91 228.53 There we go . Okay um so we decided on our market and so this feedback from the marketing department is really about trend watching . Um 218.98 228.0 ES2004c D FEE016 3 229.365 232.48 229.365 232.39 the methods we used to decide on uh - ES2004c D FEE016 3 234.576 269.305 234.6 269.305 current trends and so on , market trends , were that we did our traditional uh our usual market research study uh with a hundred subjects and the the general feedback from them is that the most im uh w I'm sorry I'm slightly tongue-tied after lunch , sorry Project Manager . Um we decided on the most important aspect i uh required in a remote control device and we'll come to that later . So that was one of the first things we did . Also with our company um being forerunners in uh putting fashion into technology , we also looked at a fashion update um using our consultants on fashion and design in Paris and Milan . 235.71 236.78 249.33 251.19 256.56 258.49 263.7 269.09 ES2004c B FEE013 1 249.351 250.821 249.46 250.6 It's okay . 250.6 ES2004c D FEE016 3 270.169 289.728 270.29 289.55 Uh so the general findings from that was uh in the market trends the most important aspect for remote controls were people want a fancy look and feel , rather than the the current functional look and feel of remote controls . They also also want a remote control to be technologically innovative , 281.44 285.99 289.55 ES2004c D FEE016 3 290.88 306.432 290.9 306.4 and of course , as we predicted , that it should be easy to use . Now I should point out that the first of those findings , fancy look and feel , is the most important , is twice as important as the second , technologically innovative , which is in turn twice as important as being easy to use . 291.8 292.48 294.2 297.59 298.64 299.74 301.92 303.5 306.4 ES2004c D FEE016 3 307.824 339.248 307.84 339.12 So possibly that the feature that we put first is actually third is still important , but it's third in order of preference for the the subject group we looked at . Okay , um , now the fashion update which relates to very personal preferences among our subject group , um we found from our um consultants in Paris and Milan who des attended all the design and fashion fairs there , that fruit and vegetables are going to be the theme for clothes , shoes and furniture . So should we be thinking of using something like that in our remote control design too ? 312.18 316.96 318.24 319.75 324.13 330.86 333.53 335.05 339.12 ES2004c B FEE013 1 316.0 316.368 316.02 316.31 Yeah . 316.31 ES2004c D FEE016 3 340.068 357.008 340.13 356.54 There also seems to be um a trend towards a spongy feel to materials , uh again in contrast to last year . So a lot of interesting feedback there , both from our market research departments and from our people in Paris and Milan . Be interesting to see what our design people make of that . 344.91 347.85 349.35 354.32 356.54 ES2004c A MEO015 0 356.875 357.313 356.94 357.17 'Kay . 357.17 ES2004c B FEE013 1 357.232 360.24 357.29 360.19 Okay thank you very much . Um 359.65 ES2004c A MEO015 0 360.64 361.004 360.73 360.82 Yep . 360.82 ES2004c B FEE013 1 361.472 364.145 361.49 363.91 let's start from the inside and work our way out . 363.91 ES2004c A MEO015 0 363.44 365.26 363.56 364.99 Fine . It's okay with me . 364.3 364.99 ES2004c C MEE014 2 364.113 366.301 364.29 366.301 Yeah , okay . 364.6 365.82 ES2004c D FEE016 3 365.281 369.64 365.43 369.44 Unless anyone has any questions about that ? Not yet ? 'Kay . 367.42 369.01 369.44 ES2004c B FEE013 1 367.419 369.52 367.55 369.49 I don't think so , not yet . 368.84 369.49 ES2004c B FEE013 1 370.96 373.136 371.04 373.09 Um , yes , thank you . 372.13 372.72 373.09 ES2004c C MEE014 2 380.912 383.584 380.97 383.584 That screwed in ? 383.52 ES2004c D FEE016 3 380.837 381.897 381.15 381.79 Okay . 381.79 ES2004c B FEE013 1 388.496 389.792 388.56 389.72 I hate those little things - ES2004c C MEE014 2 389.904 390.8 389.94 390.29 Yeah . 390.29 ES2004c B FEE013 1 390.944 396.15 390.96 395.96 especially if you do them on too tight and you can't get the leverage on them to undo them . 395.96 ES2004c D FEE016 3 393.872 395.936 393.872 395.9 I know . 395.9 ES2004c C MEE014 2 402.936 404.722 403.02 404.722 'Kay , 404.54 ES2004c B FEE013 1 410.551 411.536 410.79 411.24 Okay . 411.24 ES2004c C MEE014 2 410.768 425.072 410.83 425.072 Okay . Um this is uh all about the design of the actual components and the availability of the components we have in stock at the moment . Okay , first uh the 411.88 422.52 423.18 ES2004c C MEE014 2 426.128 450.837 426.23 450.55 Into the method . The the main idea of the whole thing is just so you sh you just press buttons and it should activate things on the T_V_ and we discussed last meeting that it should be easy to find . Um also in this study I've looked into the availability of some of the materials , 'cause some of the things that we looked at last time aren't un unfortunately aren't available . 427.42 439.48 444.73 450.55 ES2004c B FEE013 1 451.04 451.44 451.06 451.4 'Kay . 451.4 ES2004c B FEE013 1 451.44 471.784 451.44 471.784 . 471.784 ES2004c C MEE014 2 452.539 478.581 452.66 478.53 Um , findings , I've got my nice little picture there . This is uh the chip called the T_A_ double one eight three five which is what's used in pretty much every remote control 'cause it sends out standard signals , based on your input and um it's pretty much used for all all T_V_ remotes at the moment . Um and then we we're loo looking into battery options . 453.43 453.99 455.96 465.96 474.86 478.53 ES2004c B FEE013 1 471.784 472.878 472.18 472.33 'Kay . 472.33 ES2004c C MEE014 2 479.709 507.024 479.86 507.024 There's um actually no rechargeable option available , so we I saw the um the standard double A_ and triple A_ which we thought were a bit bit too bulky at the moment , dynamo charging , I thought that that might be a bit silly to be to be honest , people won't it's it's basically like wind-up radio . So you wind up your remote control before you use it . It might 484.54 493.7 494.99 498.25 502.19 506.26 ES2004c B FEE013 1 497.177 498.979 497.45 498.86 Wa can you explain that ? 498.86 ES2004c B FEE013 1 499.93 502.986 500.12 502.6 Like a right , okay . 502.14 502.6 ES2004c B FEE013 1 504.852 512.977 504.94 512.977 How what kind of how l long can you get out of that , I mean can you pick it up and then wind it for two minutes and then that's it for the night ? Or 507.99 512.23 ES2004c C MEE014 2 508.736 509.472 508.76 509.472 You - ES2004c C MEE014 2 512.112 533.216 512.15 533.17 Yeah , yeah , oh yeah I presu you wouldn't have to wind it for very long , but I don't I don't think it's really sort of necessary when you th you think of the next two options , like the the solar charging , 'cause most people have the light on in the room anyway so they could get when when you got T_V_ . 512.68 513.16 516.88 524.12 527.39 533.17 ES2004c B FEE013 1 531.312 533.139 531.46 532.94 That doesn't count though does it ? 532.94 ES2004c D FEE016 3 532.192 535.785 532.32 535.71 Does does light charge as as sunlight does ? Artificial light ? 534.91 535.71 ES2004c B FEE013 1 533.718 537.905 533.78 537.905 I thought it was U_V_ like - ES2004c C MEE014 2 535.005 535.723 535.19 535.53 No . 535.53 ES2004c C MEE014 2 536.784 539.152 536.91 539.1 Is it ? Alright i 537.43 ES2004c D FEE016 3 538.949 540.207 539.17 539.99 Has to be solar . 539.99 ES2004c B FEE013 1 539.173 540.864 539.61 540.864 Any , any 540.4 ES2004c A MEO015 0 540.37 552.293 540.57 552.17 Yep . Regarding those sizes , which one you think will be light because we we have to take into consideration size also , so maybe a standard triple A_ might take lesser space or and dynamo might take more space . 540.83 542.17 545.98 552.17 ES2004c C MEE014 2 550.911 557.33 551.03 557.25 Yeah it would the d yeah the dynamo would take more space 'cause you actually need a physical sort of handle to wind up . 557.25 ES2004c B FEE013 1 556.992 559.728 557.01 559.69 I'm pretty sure that solar is from the sun . 559.69 ES2004c C MEE014 2 559.648 560.912 559.77 560.85 Yeah , okay . 560.39 560.85 ES2004c D FEE016 3 560.304 560.804 560.34 560.68 Mm . 560.68 ES2004c B FEE013 1 560.393 573.375 560.54 573.0 Uh , I don't think it counts electric lights no , but I mean not many you don't want to limit your market . I mean people who live in basement flats there's not that many people , but there are people . 560.72 563.79 568.35 571.56 573.0 ES2004c D FEE016 3 561.84 563.28 561.91 563.03 Artificial light , no . 562.81 563.03 ES2004c D FEE016 3 565.248 566.244 565.27 566.244 That's going to - ES2004c D FEE016 3 571.152 575.827 571.17 575.32 I know , different parts of the world too , if we're if we're marketing internationally . 571.43 573.59 575.32 ES2004c A MEO015 0 571.286 571.976 571.57 571.976 Uh - ES2004c C MEE014 2 571.379 572.048 571.73 572.048 But - ES2004c C MEE014 2 574.816 580.48 575.14 580.39 Yeah and most people most people also watch T_V_ in the in the night anyway . 580.39 ES2004c A MEO015 0 575.567 576.194 575.7 575.93 Right . 575.93 ES2004c A MEO015 0 579.358 580.444 579.56 580.19 Night . 580.19 ES2004c B FEE013 1 580.56 588.818 580.59 588.72 Mm , but then it would be charging through the day , I think the point is that it charges through the day and then you've got it charged for the evening . 581.31 582.72 588.72 ES2004c C MEE014 2 587.191 608.592 587.25 608.06 But I I think I think the the next one's the best anyway . The the kinetic charging which is like you get it in r you get it in wrist watches and you d you don't even notice it . I mean the amount the amount of probably moving around you'd be doing all the time would would charge it up , I don't think you'd ever need to actually physically start shaking it up to make it work . 590.62 598.34 603.86 608.06 ES2004c B FEE013 1 590.102 590.75 590.12 590.6 Okay . 590.6 ES2004c B FEE013 1 595.376 596.325 595.4 596.325 Yeah I've seen - ES2004c A MEO015 0 608.416 613.568 608.54 613.53 And are these like uh what are the life of the kinetic battery , it like it runs for long time ? 611.61 613.53 ES2004c C MEE014 2 613.343 640.64 613.51 640.41 Um yeah it's it charges into um some form of it's a smaller cell which it charges into and uh the si the size sort of a watch a watch battery , 'cause they use them quite frequently in watches . And that'll that would l would last for um well I do I d I'm not entirely sure how long it would last but I've never seen one run out . 626.62 628.74 640.41 ES2004c A MEO015 0 620.32 620.802 620.36 620.61 Mm-hmm . 620.61 ES2004c A MEO015 0 627.694 628.435 627.88 628.27 Okay . 628.27 ES2004c B FEE013 1 639.648 657.59 640.02 657.18 But then if you think about a watch , it's on your wrist so it's on your whole bod it's on your body the whole time so you're walking around , you're doing things , it is moving a lot of the time . If you'd I mean you switch the T_V_ on , then you put it on the side , then you pick it up to change it and then you put it on the side . Is it really gonna be enough ? 641.55 647.3 648.07 650.14 651.92 652.89 655.88 657.18 ES2004c A MEO015 0 639.964 640.789 640.27 640.66 We c - ES2004c C MEE014 2 644.986 645.6 645.11 645.51 Yeah . 645.51 ES2004c C MEE014 2 649.813 651.408 649.9 651.408 Yeah and - ES2004c D FEE016 3 652.813 653.32 652.96 653.23 Mm-hmm . 653.23 ES2004c C MEE014 2 655.36 686.784 655.38 686.784 Yeah but then again I I think it is because if you think about it , the watch , although it's only a tiny amount it's it's um it's always moving for the whole day and they don't run out over night when you leave them on the side . And th for the same the same reason , you're only using it for a v incredibly short amount of time just to send the signal and then you're finished with it and you put it no no I do I don't think the the draw on it would be 659.75 660.39 673.33 676.24 ES2004c B FEE013 1 672.416 672.976 672.45 672.94 Okay . 672.94 ES2004c D FEE016 3 681.536 697.808 681.63 697.26 Hmm . Mm-hmm . Mm . Could I just ask referring back to solar charging , is that compatible with um standard batteries ? I mean , could people put standard batteries in but with a s you know they could leave it in the sunlight for solar charging or the two things not compatible ? 683.23 684.37 685.04 688.27 691.32 691.48 697.26 ES2004c B FEE013 1 681.585 683.989 681.77 683.989 So it's not the draw on it isn't - ES2004c B FEE013 1 684.704 685.554 684.92 685.39 Okay . 685.39 ES2004c C MEE014 2 688.496 689.11 688.53 689.05 Mm . 689.05 ES2004c C MEE014 2 695.236 715.024 695.82 714.99 Ye yeah I think I th uh g y you could have a dual um power thing but the the thing with the solar cells is you would need to put them on the case and they because , if you lie on a calculator they they're qui they're quite big and they all they all look i identical . 707.74 714.99 ES2004c B FEE013 1 698.132 699.818 698.23 699.6 Like a dual kind of . 699.6 ES2004c D FEE016 3 710.405 711.104 710.58 711.07 Mm . 711.07 ES2004c D FEE016 3 714.326 716.756 714.49 716.48 So that affects the exterior design . 716.48 ES2004c A MEO015 0 715.264 717.864 715.28 717.65 Solar would be slightly expensives . 717.65 ES2004c B FEE013 1 715.989 723.771 716.16 723.11 Expensive as well . What kind of price are we looking at for I presume the normal batteries are the cheapest ? 717.74 723.11 ES2004c C MEE014 2 717.232 719.152 717.25 719.152 They're they're expensive , they don't 718.59 ES2004c A MEO015 0 720.56 722.194 720.58 722.05 It's twelve point f - ES2004c C MEE014 2 722.944 731.328 722.99 731.328 Yeah the normal batteries would be the cheapest I'd presume then it would actually be the the solar charging ones , um but the 729.36 ES2004c C MEE014 2 732.32 748.72 732.43 748.5 It's i I think they're not very resistant to dropping , 'cause if you drop stuff yeah if you if you have y the size you'd need to charge a remote wouldn't be that big but I mean if remotes always get thrown around and stuff , so . 737.99 748.27 748.5 ES2004c B FEE013 1 738.181 739.031 738.35 738.94 Solar . 738.94 ES2004c B FEE013 1 740.272 741.615 740.29 741.615 Well they're not designed - ES2004c C MEE014 2 749.785 751.92 749.9 751.89 Y I think yeah , practically . 751.13 751.89 ES2004c B FEE013 1 749.845 751.6 750.02 751.56 Practical-wise okay . 751.56 ES2004c C MEE014 2 753.632 760.816 753.65 760.57 I mean calculators you don't really throw around a lot whereas remotes you do , they can t 759.13 ES2004c B FEE013 1 758.838 763.599 759.16 763.08 You do get a bit of wear but don't calculators have a battery in them as well ? 763.08 ES2004c C MEE014 2 762.368 767.008 762.39 766.97 Yeah they do , they yeah they've got dual things , but they're the batteries are smaller I think . 762.97 764.57 766.97 ES2004c D FEE016 3 764.256 765.081 764.48 765.05 Mm . 765.05 ES2004c B FEE013 1 764.613 765.328 764.85 765.29 Mm . 765.29 ES2004c A MEO015 0 767.216 774.656 767.24 774.61 Another question is like sorry . W w which one would last the longest , because we don't want customers to be like you know charging like a mobile phone every day . 769.92 771.69 774.61 ES2004c D FEE016 3 767.156 768.088 767.35 767.99 Again it de - ES2004c C MEE014 2 774.944 778.336 774.97 778.336 Mm . W m yeah so the 776.18 ES2004c A MEO015 0 775.84 779.392 775.96 779.34 A remote control , like , so we have to s look at the life also . 776.64 776.92 779.34 ES2004c D FEE016 3 777.084 777.471 777.13 777.27 Mm . 777.27 ES2004c C MEE014 2 779.6 784.944 779.62 784.79 Yeah the the s if you if you had something du uh using the standard - ES2004c C MEE014 2 785.984 797.897 786.0 797.83 batteries and the solar charging , um , I don't think you'd I think the it would d well you know how long the standard double A_s would last in or triple A_s would last . 788.84 789.67 797.83 ES2004c D FEE016 3 796.243 801.9 796.5 801.6 It would just detract from the attractiveness of the of the whole feature , i it's not gonna add anything , okay . 799.6 801.05 801.6 ES2004c C MEE014 2 799.008 802.064 799.32 801.95 Yeah I think i I think it would , yeah . 801.2 801.95 ES2004c B FEE013 1 801.872 806.336 801.89 806.29 Okay , can we add in uh an attachment to closing feature ? 802.23 806.29 ES2004c A MEO015 0 806.928 807.312 806.95 807.27 Okay . 807.27 ES2004c B FEE013 1 807.968 814.336 807.99 814.336 Can we think about that ? 'Cause if we're doing the kinetic thing and it's 809.78 ES2004c C MEE014 2 811.657 812.284 811.75 812.25 Yeah . 812.25 ES2004c D FEE016 3 812.147 818.56 812.31 818.53 Shouldn't we do some market research on that first before we add it in because I I personally right , okay . 818.09 818.53 ES2004c B FEE013 1 816.073 819.168 816.29 819.12 Well add it in to think about um - ES2004c B FEE013 1 821.856 822.576 821.88 822.52 because , 822.52 ES2004c B FEE013 1 823.68 848.208 823.7 848.17 where am I ? If it is the kinetic thing and it is small and it is portable and it is a different shape and the kinetic is something people don't do kind of we're doing something original and different um but if you wore it if it's something you could just clip on your pocket then you would have that less , you you wouldn't lose it so much . 825.09 845.53 848.17 ES2004c C MEE014 2 832.452 833.262 832.63 833.01 Yeah . 833.01 ES2004c C MEE014 2 846.987 847.68 847.23 847.63 Yeah . 847.63 ES2004c B FEE013 1 849.488 852.768 849.51 852.71 But then maybe that's looking at someone who's just sitting on their own rather than - ES2004c C MEE014 2 849.824 850.672 849.84 850.14 Yeah . 850.14 ES2004c B FEE013 1 854.096 856.969 854.12 856.59 the eternal battle for control of the controls . 856.59 ES2004c D FEE016 3 856.992 863.728 857.15 863.69 It's not something that's come up in any of our uh focus groups and market research , it's not a thing that people are looking for 861.87 ES2004c B FEE013 1 861.776 862.4 861.8 862.37 No . 862.37 ES2004c B FEE013 1 863.833 864.709 864.04 864.52 Okay . 864.52 ES2004c D FEE016 3 864.816 866.48 864.84 866.45 when we threw it open to the field yeah . 866.45 ES2004c A MEO015 0 865.055 865.753 865.28 865.753 So - ES2004c C MEE014 2 868.016 868.573 868.04 868.5 Okay . 868.5 ES2004c D FEE016 3 867.983 870.24 868.04 870.2 But it's something to put on the side to think about maybe . 870.2 ES2004c B FEE013 1 871.584 872.753 871.63 872.35 Okay , right . 872.01 872.35 ES2004c C MEE014 2 872.176 873.376 872.2 873.29 Okay , well I'll move on . 872.54 873.29 ES2004c B FEE013 1 873.312 873.808 873.37 873.7 Mm-hmm . 873.7 ES2004c C MEE014 2 874.784 917.712 874.85 917.68 Um , my second part of my findings uh the mo most current remotes use this silicone uh P_C_B_ board which pr printed circuit board , which basically has these contacts that are really close together and then when you press down on the rubber button , it'll connect the circuit and each each switch is connected to two uh different legs on the chip and so sends a different message and that then uh gets translated by the chip into a code and then it's fired out of this L_E_D_ in the sequence of l on and off bursts . 875.16 888.99 895.5 917.68 ES2004c B FEE013 1 917.776 928.079 918.16 928.079 What kind of things do we have to consider there ? Can we what kind of size , does it come in varying sizes or is it just one size and we would have to fit the design of 919.88 922.38 ES2004c C MEE014 2 925.068 925.846 925.27 925.6 Well - ES2004c C MEE014 2 926.856 930.192 927.14 930.13 well this the thi the thing about is um - ES2004c C MEE014 2 931.552 962.224 931.57 962.16 they they can be as big or as small as you want them to be because you can you can print circuit board like that that it's it's simply spaced like that so you can have fit the n the size of the nine buttons in . If you if you see how thin the tracks are , you could you could s you could put them virtually right next to each other and have a much smaller switch on each one , if you if you wanted to but um the there is an option to do to do it like that , or you could have some sort of 943.54 946.03 952.11 959.47 ES2004c B FEE013 1 945.616 946.08 945.64 946.04 Mm-hmm . 946.04 ES2004c B FEE013 1 951.997 952.656 952.22 952.62 Okay . 952.62 ES2004c C MEE014 2 963.264 967.536 963.59 967.536 array of switches which I'll speak about in the next bit so that - ES2004c B FEE013 1 966.496 966.944 966.52 966.91 Okay . 966.91 ES2004c C MEE014 2 969.056 1003.198 969.08 1003.04 And then to uh yeah , so to conserve battery life the remote should be in a standby mode no while not being used . Now what I was thinking about that was 'cause sometimes when y when you have these things , they've got little lights on behind the buttons , so you can see what all the buttons are , like on a mobile phone , they do it more often than on a than on a T_V_ remote , but you could you could have lights behind the buttons and um after like five or ten seconds of not being used I'd have that turned off , if we decided to go for buttons that could light up . 971.58 976.66 981.63 984.63 986.3 987.41 992.18 999.99 1003.04 ES2004c B FEE013 1 987.175 987.916 987.44 987.82 Mm-hmm . 987.82 ES2004c A MEO015 0 987.585 988.553 988.01 988.49 Mm-hmm . 988.49 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1004.713 1005.613 1004.88 1005.47 Okay . 1005.47 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1004.812 1023.408 1004.91 1023.27 Um , the case material , I've a been sent what the factory can actually give us , the there's the plastic which I think we were gonna go for anyway as the main case case housing and 1005.73 1007.15 1014.17 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1020.816 1021.468 1020.85 1021.35 Mm-hmm . 1021.35 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1024.512 1056.624 1024.6 1056.5 the the main problems with the well you could go for wood but I think it would be a bit impractical . Titanium um very expensive just to process , which to make it is expensive , and rubber , well you're saying that people like this uh spongy feel this year , so perhaps uh some something made of rubber , but I was thinking more of the buttons , because the buttons which they've they've said 1032.5 1037.98 1040.95 1043.24 1047.02 1051.88 1053.82 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1038.128 1038.624 1038.2 1038.59 Mm . 1038.59 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1046.688 1047.19 1046.72 1047.07 Mm . 1047.07 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1057.84 1060.272 1057.86 1060.24 that they've they've put across - ES2004c C MEE014 2 1061.256 1084.88 1061.53 1084.82 are what is used in some stress ball manufacture and it's meant to be anti R_S_I_ . I'm no I'm not sure how that would work because surely your fingers would still be moving over the short distances but that's what they said . Um the problem with the casing is that uh there's 1069.91 1078.67 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1066.032 1066.773 1066.12 1066.43 Okay . 1066.43 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1069.152 1069.984 1069.34 1069.81 Mm-hmm . 1069.81 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1085.984 1109.232 1086.09 1109.2 quite um there's quite a few design restrictions that they've got on the shape of the case . If you go for titanium they can only do a standard box shape , whereas if you come to plastic they can they can be a little more they can they can do sort of curved shapes . But whether whether or not because we'd have it in two separate units 1094.17 1098.18 1104.96 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1111.216 1129.236 1111.24 1129.236 Second thing is yeah and second question is like , a mobile you can change the cover , you call it a skin or whatever . So in this case if you're looking at like a customer can change the colour like from green , parrot green to chilli red or something like that . So is that feature available in like uh titanium , or it's like only specific to plastic or 1114.04 1116.1 1117.63 1121.25 1123.63 1126.45 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1111.032 1112.749 1111.37 1112.42 for the flip phone . 1112.42 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1111.247 1112.827 1111.47 1112.76 Hinged , yeah . 1112.41 1112.76 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1115.424 1116.72 1116.01 1116.39 Yeah . 1116.39 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1120.977 1121.6 1121.34 1121.56 Mm . 1121.56 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1122.951 1124.34 1123.21 1123.83 Yeah I th - ES2004c C MEE014 2 1126.342 1127.136 1126.8 1127.08 Uh . 1127.08 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1128.208 1151.04 1128.23 1151.0 Yeah in in titanium I don't I don't think it would be available at all really , the ju just it w well you could make it available in the titanium , it was just it would be so expensive to buy a new case for it , because of the expense of how much titanium is is it's light and strong but I think it should be left for aircraft design rather than for 1132.4 1137.65 1141.7 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1131.989 1132.553 1132.2 1132.29 Mm-hmm . 1132.29 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1141.152 1141.504 1141.18 1141.45 Mm-hmm . 1141.45 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1151.911 1169.925 1152.1 1169.79 It does mark quite easily too if you let it fall . I've got a mobile phone myself which is titanium and it does mark very easily if you drop it . I was just wondering if we make the basic mould out of plastic but have like a rubber cover that goes over , that would give the spongy feel , that also allows us to kind of have different fasciae for the phone . 1154.44 1159.44 1165.0 1166.61 1169.79 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1152.357 1153.678 1152.43 1153.12 for a remote . 1153.12 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1156.704 1158.608 1156.72 1158.51 Yeah , yeah . 1157.98 1158.51 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1163.824 1165.312 1163.88 1165.12 Rubber , yeah . 1164.44 1165.12 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1168.608 1170.128 1168.63 1170.09 And you can peel them off yeah . 1170.09 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1169.833 1181.097 1169.94 1180.85 So instead of the fascia that comes off being plastic , the fascia that comes off would be the rubber , like those pens that you get with the grip , that you can you can pull that off . 1173.49 1176.21 1179.1 1180.85 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1169.793 1170.525 1169.98 1170.21 Yeah . 1170.21 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1174.288 1176.048 1174.31 1176.01 Like a rubber sleeve almost , yeah . 1175.78 1176.01 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1175.968 1176.864 1176.03 1176.74 Yeah . 1176.74 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1175.985 1177.18 1176.08 1177.18 Something like - ES2004c C MEE014 2 1178.304 1178.736 1178.32 1178.66 Yeah . 1178.66 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1178.096 1179.12 1178.54 1178.94 Mm . 1178.94 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1178.608 1180.986 1178.63 1180.68 Alright . That could be a good idea . 1179.73 1180.68 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1180.96 1181.296 1180.98 1181.26 Mm . 1181.26 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1181.211 1181.664 1181.26 1181.61 Hmm . 1181.61 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1181.856 1184.0 1181.92 1183.95 It could it would be comfortable to hold on also . 1183.95 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1182.064 1182.56 1182.08 1182.52 Okay . 1182.52 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1183.68 1184.144 1183.71 1184.1 Mm . 1184.1 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1184.272 1188.416 1184.63 1188.37 Very cheap way of changing the look of it and people can just buy a new one if they want to . 1188.37 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1184.582 1185.197 1184.81 1184.91 T - ES2004c C MEE014 2 1187.744 1188.519 1187.76 1188.24 Yeah . 1188.24 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1188.699 1192.996 1188.72 1192.63 Well that's been really popular with mobile phones so I don't see why not . 1192.63 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1191.792 1193.232 1191.82 1193.2 Mm . Yeah . 1192.94 1193.2 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1193.579 1219.616 1193.73 1219.57 Also the just just going back to the interface designs with the buttons , the I kno we were planning to do some sort of touch screen . Now what I was saying before about instead of having you could have just a bare P_C_B_ circuit board and I'm sure you could probably get it in different colours and so just by touching it with your finger it'd make the connection 1198.84 1204.82 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1195.04 1195.553 1195.06 1195.48 'Kay . 1195.48 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1202.784 1203.356 1202.8 1203.22 Mm-hmm . 1203.22 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1220.688 1249.616 1220.71 1249.58 over if you had them close enough , that would be one option . Um the second option th they offer rubber buttons , but I thought that an L_C_D_ type of screen 'cause one they're incredibly thin um and don't take up much space , two they you can have them in a sort of array and you can arrange the buttons on the screen in a sort of set thing and you could have them like a touch 1222.75 1224.65 1228.36 1238.31 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1250.592 1253.104 1250.61 1253.104 Sorry I didn't get the last part , you're talking of 1252.46 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1250.896 1251.616 1250.92 1251.55 display . 1251.55 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1254.304 1255.584 1254.32 1255.584 Uh what what - ES2004c A MEO015 0 1255.584 1259.979 1255.66 1259.979 Just what you said I I didn't get the uh meaning of it completely , you're saying like 1258.87 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1258.816 1278.32 1259.11 1278.27 Oh on the on the L_C_D_ screen you could becau you could fit it the problem with it basically is that it's flat and so you can't do lots of curve curved things with it , but um you can you wouldn't have with the L_C_D_ you'd have the wires coming off , you wouldn't have that with the 1270.15 1276.69 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1261.168 1261.624 1261.19 1261.48 Uh-huh . 1261.48 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1268.096 1268.57 1268.12 1268.44 Okay . 1268.44 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1268.368 1268.993 1268.39 1268.77 Mm-hmm . 1268.77 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1279.376 1282.176 1279.4 1282.11 with the L_C_D_ , you'd only have that with the printed circuit board . 1280.24 1282.11 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1281.214 1281.887 1281.44 1281.71 Mm . 1281.71 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1283.184 1283.92 1283.2 1283.92 With - ES2004c C MEE014 2 1284.928 1286.592 1285.04 1286.592 W also with the - ES2004c D FEE016 3 1285.04 1294.422 1285.14 1294.31 I don't s sorry to interrupt , I don't see why the curved thing is a problem , if we for example had a shell , once we open that yeah , so it'd be f yeah , yeah . 1286.8 1288.76 1291.47 1292.6 1293.84 1294.31 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1290.448 1291.424 1290.8 1291.38 Yeah . 1291.38 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1291.255 1293.137 1291.4 1292.93 Oh it would be flat inside . 1292.93 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1292.624 1311.92 1292.64 1311.88 You could have a flat screen inside , yeah , but I'm just wondering whether we want an L_C_D_ screen inside . It wouldn't be like full colour , it would just be black and white , but there'd be touch touch buttons , so you wouldn't be pressing down on 'em , w or we could have rubber buttons which are made of this material which is anti-R_S_I_ . 1294.74 1295.96 1299.06 1300.89 1303.11 1305.71 1307.58 1311.88 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1294.32 1294.736 1294.35 1294.69 Mm . 1294.69 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1295.894 1297.34 1295.95 1297.09 Have I misunderstood you ? 1297.09 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1302.112 1302.544 1302.15 1302.5 Mm-hmm . 1302.5 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1305.749 1306.313 1305.92 1306.16 'Kay . 1306.16 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1311.84 1312.313 1311.86 1312.08 Mm-hmm . 1312.08 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1312.048 1327.648 1312.35 1327.648 I think it would be good to have a contrast between , if the whole thing is gonna be this rubber thing it would be good to open it up and see something quite fancy looking inside . Now how would you distinguish , if you had it bare , how would you distinguish where you had to press , I mean 1314.49 1322.37 1323.83 1325.15 1327.12 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1316.028 1316.944 1316.18 1316.78 Is rubber . 1316.78 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1320.944 1321.483 1321.04 1321.35 Yeah . 1321.35 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1321.376 1321.92 1321.41 1321.89 Mm . 1321.89 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1328.321 1331.531 1328.39 1331.39 Yeah I hadn't I hadn't really thought of that to be honest . 1331.39 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1328.38 1329.659 1329.08 1329.659 Uh - ES2004c D FEE016 3 1329.618 1345.44 1329.81 1345.4 I just had another idea , I don't know if it helps with that , but just to do with the R_S_I_ . Is it possible , just as an option , when we open it up , people can use their fingers to press the button , or we have inside like a small pointer thing when people want to . Mm . 1330.78 1332.11 1334.49 1335.08 1336.3 1336.89 1339.15 1345.16 1345.4 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1341.28 1350.48 1341.3 1350.48 Yeah you could , you could have some sort of stylus that you could pull out but I I think they could get a bit easily lost , 'cause I had 1341.92 1349.93 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1342.972 1344.884 1343.28 1344.63 Like one of the palm pop thing . 1344.63 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1349.376 1352.581 1349.52 1352.32 Yeah . They're easy to replace as well , cheap . 1350.41 1351.91 1352.32 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1349.504 1367.488 1349.89 1367.41 Absolutely , f for somebody who very often , if he would a person who switches channels very often or does use a particular function very often will find it very irritating to use a and he might spoil the touch-pad very fast compared to a button like , if you keep punching with an pointer or whatever . 1350.36 1353.28 1364.85 1367.41 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1350.387 1352.406 1350.45 1352.33 It would have to be attached . 1352.33 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1353.002 1353.56 1353.08 1353.52 Hmm . 1353.52 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1357.274 1357.95 1357.41 1357.77 Yeah . 1357.77 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1360.112 1360.816 1360.13 1360.71 Yeah . 1360.71 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1360.837 1361.384 1360.96 1361.14 Mm-hmm . 1361.14 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1364.48 1365.008 1364.51 1364.97 Yeah . 1364.97 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1364.815 1365.242 1364.93 1365.17 Mm . 1365.17 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1367.664 1368.752 1367.68 1368.55 Yeah okay . 1368.55 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1368.0 1373.984 1368.02 1373.984 Yeah just a thought they wouldn't actually need one and they could use anything they've got , couldn't they ? A pencil or a pen , so they wouldn't really need a 1371.49 1371.75 1372.96 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1374.048 1381.588 1374.37 1381.31 Okay , we'll talk about that so if you finish your and we'll come back to that . That's you , right okay . 1374.84 1379.23 1380.47 1381.31 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1377.344 1380.96 1377.38 1380.96 Yeah that's yeah that that's the end of m my - ES2004c A MEO015 0 1380.122 1393.384 1380.42 1393.04 And just one small question before like you are , regarding the circuit , since we are hav having a flip-top , we can customise the two circuits for different type of buttons like we are keeping the standard buttons on the top and the more complex buttons under this thing , so we can divide the circuit like you know . 1382.37 1383.07 1385.03 1391.47 1393.04 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1385.003 1385.752 1385.07 1385.28 Yeah . 1385.28 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1389.661 1390.736 1389.91 1390.69 Uh yeah . 1390.69 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1392.816 1411.152 1393.63 1411.12 Yeah yeah that that would be fairly simple , I mean you'd you'd actually have two separate you'd have two separate circuit boards but they'd be joined by wires or like some cabling between them , 'cause in the in the actual flip bit you'd have some linking . 1395.73 1407.4 1411.12 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1395.665 1396.456 1395.98 1396.18 Mm-hmm . 1396.18 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1398.56 1399.082 1398.69 1398.97 Okay . 1398.97 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1403.525 1404.297 1403.89 1404.16 Okay . 1404.16 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1406.156 1406.752 1406.33 1406.7 Mm-hmm . 1406.7 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1412.72 1428.153 1413.28 1427.95 I'll just raise another point while it occurs to me , it kind of applies to both our designers here , so I'm not sure how it would fit in . If we flip open , now you know how you've got some mirrors in nightclubs that are mirrors when you turn to them and you turn away and it gives like an advertising display , you seen those ? 1415.08 1417.28 1419.02 1420.08 1427.21 1427.95 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1417.84 1418.436 1417.86 1418.4 Mm . 1418.4 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1427.904 1428.512 1427.92 1428.45 No . 1428.45 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1428.912 1441.056 1428.93 1441.02 And they kind of respond to the turn of your body . Is it possible that when we open our flip-top shell it's a little compact mirror and when you press a button it then goes onto the phone display th uh the remote control display thing . 1431.38 1441.02 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1441.28 1444.992 1441.55 1444.95 We're marketing to guys as much as we are to women . 1444.95 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1441.696 1442.514 1441.72 1442.17 Um . 1442.17 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1445.312 1446.552 1445.33 1446.38 They don't look at themselves ? 1446.38 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1447.712 1448.472 1447.73 1448.35 Just a thought . 1448.35 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1448.487 1457.723 1448.66 1457.723 Well it's a remote control , you were sitting watching T_V_ are you gonna want to sort of open it and say oh shit I should go and have a shower and do my hair before I put the T_ 1449.89 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1451.056 1451.616 1451.08 1451.58 Yeah . 1451.58 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1453.09 1466.144 1453.41 1466.11 I know what you mean , it's with us using the ideas for a mobile ph it's with us using the ideas for mobile phones I kinda got sidetracked onto that I think , okay . trying to think of other features we can build in that wouldn't cost too much but maybe we'll leave that one on the side . 1454.24 1460.99 1462.02 1466.11 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1459.367 1461.552 1459.52 1461.52 Yeah , no , no . 1459.96 1461.06 1461.52 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1464.608 1465.17 1464.63 1465.14 Mm . 1465.14 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1466.08 1466.896 1466.12 1466.63 Yeah . 1466.63 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1467.248 1468.08 1467.27 1467.81 'Kay . 1467.81 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1467.472 1467.952 1467.49 1467.92 Okay . 1467.92 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1469.36 1482.337 1469.38 1482.337 I mean you can you could do it , you could have a 'cause if you if you just put the full charge through an L_C_D_ display it'll completely blank it out , but I don't know if you could get any mirror effect on it , I'm not sure about 1470.93 1479.21 1481.51 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1478.448 1478.848 1478.47 1478.81 Mm . 1478.81 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1481.136 1485.904 1481.17 1485.3 Oh I think forget about the mirror that was just a very quick passing thought yeah . 1485.3 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1482.832 1486.0 1482.832 1485.97 Okay , okay . 1485.6 1485.97 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1485.579 1487.52 1485.92 1487.38 Okay , uh 1486.89 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1489.777 1521.2 1489.98 1521.16 would like to share something which I did here . First thing is uh basically on design we just took the input from the previous meeting , especially from the marketing and industrial design , to check on the customer needs and feasibility . Second is we checked into competitors , the picture here shows one of the standard models offered by competitors here . So y you generally see there's not much of variety and like marketing team said uh , people need trendy , they are bored of black and white . So you generally see rectangular shape , very monotonous kind of designs here . 1492.37 1496.77 1499.07 1502.9 1504.41 1508.02 1512.98 1513.78 1515.7 1518.48 1521.16 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1510.141 1510.874 1510.4 1510.77 Mm . 1510.77 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1515.696 1516.112 1515.72 1516.07 Yeah . 1516.07 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1522.896 1529.088 1522.92 1529.05 And uh second thing is there's too much of confusion here . No particular remote is standard . 1527.29 1529.05 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1527.104 1527.904 1527.27 1527.81 Mm . 1527.81 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1531.152 1532.864 1531.18 1532.864 Like , some some people have a 1531.46 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1534.419 1537.488 1534.419 1537.41 Here you see this ? This is on a I I 1535.91 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1538.56 1548.016 1538.58 1547.98 I found th that uh only common feature is the ch uh channel control and uh volume control , rest other buttons , they are in a very disorganized and they are not consistent th with other models and all . 1542.92 1543.86 1547.98 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1548.182 1548.752 1548.32 1548.7 Okay . 1548.7 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1549.264 1565.05 1549.28 1565.05 Okay , and second as already discussed with William , we are going to have m maybe a G_ G_U_I_ interface in the f in the middle of the flip-top and g graphic user interface basically which is what we d do in computer , have icons or touch pad or whatever , which is 1549.47 1552.14 1562.12 1564.12 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1555.888 1556.734 1555.92 1556.22 Yeah . 1556.22 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1557.568 1559.009 1557.6 1558.81 Sorry what does that stand for ? 1558.81 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1558.224 1559.382 1558.24 1559.382 Which means - ES2004c D FEE016 3 1560.232 1560.864 1560.36 1560.52 Okay . 1560.52 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1562.288 1562.928 1562.31 1562.73 Yeah . 1562.73 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1564.16 1569.936 1564.18 1569.12 If you if yeah if you have like buttons that appear on the screen in this L_C_D_ screen . 1569.12 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1568.832 1575.603 1568.91 1575.38 Like you have on a l uh icons or something y you have is a good example of G_U_I_ graphic user interface . 1575.38 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1574.816 1575.744 1574.84 1575.7 Yeah . 1575.7 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1575.488 1575.968 1575.51 1575.93 Okay . 1575.93 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1576.32 1579.216 1576.34 1579.216 So basically not point or click - ES2004c A MEO015 0 1580.096 1598.179 1580.12 1597.76 Press any particular device , he just has to click on that particular icon to simplify . And on the top m repetitive buttons which are like volume or channel changing and all could be on the pointing device , that means the use of button . So he need not use a pointer to keep changing the channel if a person is frequent surfer . 1581.17 1584.31 1590.92 1592.81 1597.76 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1582.96 1583.328 1582.98 1583.29 Okay . 1583.29 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1598.176 1598.692 1598.2 1598.6 Mm-hmm . 1598.6 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1598.7 1607.84 1598.78 1607.8 So we are having a combination of boards , so f on the s simpler board , on the top we have this button , rubber buttons , to keep frequently changing the channels . 1600.8 1603.12 1605.19 1605.88 1607.8 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1609.44 1614.32 1609.46 1614.28 Can we swap that round so th that the ones that we use all the time are on the bottom part ? 1614.28 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1615.616 1617.502 1615.64 1617.43 'Cause if you're thinking about holding it - ES2004c B FEE013 1 1618.752 1623.101 1618.77 1622.83 you would be using your thumbs to press , just like a mobile phone . 1621.5 1622.83 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1622.327 1623.581 1622.52 1623.39 Yeah . 1623.39 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1622.353 1624.928 1622.57 1624.928 No you'd hold it you don't if you flip it open then you'd be - ES2004c D FEE016 3 1627.008 1636.866 1627.03 1636.6 Wouldn't you ? Isn't that the idea ? You us if we just use the shell as an example again , you open that , you've got your L_C_D_ display there and you've got the buttons there so you're holding it in the palm of your hand , yeah . 1627.47 1628.68 1631.07 1632.43 1636.31 1636.6 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1630.481 1631.474 1630.77 1631.32 Yeah . 1631.32 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1635.056 1638.16 1635.08 1638.05 Yeah , yeah but you can do it with your thumb li 1635.81 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1635.312 1652.471 1635.33 1652.41 That's what I was just saying , and then have the and then have the L_C_D_ at the top and then be able to touch that for the other controls , so have the um the volume and the programme , things like that , on the lower side . Okay . 1636.74 1644.42 1648.37 1650.03 1652.03 1652.41 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1636.58 1637.388 1636.8 1637.388 But - ES2004c D FEE016 3 1640.576 1641.037 1640.61 1640.95 Mm-hmm . 1640.95 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1640.738 1641.251 1640.82 1641.12 Mm-hmm . 1641.12 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1642.752 1643.216 1642.78 1643.18 Mm-hmm . 1643.18 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1643.424 1644.99 1643.44 1644.99 Okay and you mean to the - ES2004c A MEO015 0 1649.388 1651.68 1649.49 1651.65 And the lower distance . Oh f perfect . 1650.76 1651.65 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1651.665 1652.136 1651.84 1651.93 Hmm . 1651.93 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1655.6 1658.012 1655.62 1657.74 So the findings are too many cluttered buttons . 1657.74 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1658.608 1669.184 1658.63 1669.12 Repetition of certain but buttons which I already explained , example the volume and channel control buttons . All are confusing and in inconsistent . Okay we had a latest finding of voice recognition , there was a mail 1660.99 1663.84 1666.13 1668.53 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1670.352 1706.672 1670.49 1706.64 which mentions that our division has developed a new speech recognition s feature . We have to check into the for financial f feasibility whether we can incorporate it this at a low cost , but for like we had g um s response from the customers that they would like to have the feature of finding it . So it could be like , where is the remote , and the remote answers I am here . Some kind of thing or it gives a b bleep sound or some kind of sound and if this can be incorporated this would be more uh you can say trendy also ? And technologically innovative also . 1675.57 1682.73 1691.25 1692.05 1692.89 1695.27 1704.46 1706.64 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1690.016 1690.72 1690.13 1690.48 Yeah . 1690.48 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1694.736 1695.248 1694.76 1695.18 Yeah . 1695.18 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1699.392 1699.888 1699.41 1699.84 Mm . 1699.84 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1708.24 1708.94 1708.38 1708.78 Yeah . 1708.78 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1708.724 1712.464 1708.98 1712.43 So we we can check into the financial feasibility of incorporating this . 1712.43 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1716.208 1731.952 1716.23 1731.79 My personal preferences would be like , as already uh marketing department , they want something to do with fruit so I wouldn't say the design should be like a fruit , but yeah we can take inspiration from fruit colours , like the vibrant colours , uh red chilli uh 1718.2 1721.53 1725.55 1727.99 1729.76 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1729.024 1729.664 1729.21 1729.61 Mm . 1729.61 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1730.607 1731.488 1730.76 1731.03 Yeah . 1731.03 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1732.992 1742.432 1733.01 1742.36 tomato red or whatever and second thing is cer certain standard buttons we should have , like for example , i if you see the previous slide uh 1738.66 1739.52 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1743.52 1745.372 1743.54 1745.372 Well , yeah we 1744.17 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1745.927 1757.232 1746.09 1757.2 I think most of the users would now be well acquainted with this cer central pattern , here , so we we we would not change h that particular pattern because i this is the most consistent thing in all remote controls . 1750.36 1751.51 1757.2 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1751.056 1751.664 1751.17 1751.55 Yeah . 1751.55 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1757.376 1760.244 1757.45 1760.07 I can't see that , is that play and stop and things ? 1758.04 1760.07 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1760.144 1771.104 1760.16 1771.06 This is central one , the one you yeah volume and channel . So keep that m that standardised because that's the most common feature across all models , if you look at all the models , it's here . 1761.02 1764.29 1769.52 1770.58 1771.06 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1761.424 1763.554 1761.45 1763.43 Or is that volume and channel ? 1763.43 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1773.632 1774.24 1773.65 1774.17 This - ES2004c A MEO015 0 1776.944 1777.616 1776.98 1777.57 and - ES2004c A MEO015 0 1780.752 1781.632 1780.82 1781.57 voice recognition . 1781.57 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1782.645 1783.441 1782.75 1783.25 Okay . 1783.25 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1787.44 1790.863 1787.76 1790.69 Right . Okay . Um 1788.65 1790.14 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1791.904 1798.464 1792.03 1798.43 I'm not sure how long we've got left , but we need to make a decision about um 1794.67 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1800.924 1802.048 1801.07 1802.0 the things we've discussed . 1802.0 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1802.638 1806.507 1802.7 1806.507 So , we agree on 1804.84 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1807.792 1809.024 1807.81 1808.99 Do we agree on the battery ? 1808.99 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1809.776 1810.469 1809.8 1810.4 Kinetic ? 1810.4 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1809.865 1810.944 1810.14 1810.81 The kinetic . 1810.81 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1810.896 1826.928 1811.45 1826.87 Yeah . Um , that means that there's no function for li the port , you know that it sits in , then pressing the button then having so we could incorporate voice recognition for the finding it . It's a bi i it's like a g it's a gadget , it's a 1813.06 1814.16 1818.31 1819.4 1824.25 1826.37 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1811.362 1812.128 1811.55 1812.07 Yeah . 1812.07 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1819.888 1820.505 1819.91 1820.47 Mm . 1820.47 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1822.928 1824.736 1822.95 1824.736 Yeah I think I mean if - ES2004c C MEE014 2 1826.4 1848.0 1827.07 1847.93 Yeah it is it is qui it's quite a cool feature to have and also if they've got it if they've got these parts already in stock , then it won't be cheap to re-manufacture them , uh or it will be cheap sorry to re-manufacture them . So do you reckon that's a good idea that , where's the remote , I'm here thing ? I think that would be quite fun . 1835.73 1838.15 1841.48 1844.23 1845.6 1846.62 1847.93 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1827.928 1829.222 1828.07 1828.92 selling point . 1828.92 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1835.184 1835.536 1835.22 1835.49 Mm-hmm . 1835.49 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1847.504 1847.984 1847.55 1847.95 Mm . 1847.95 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1847.984 1849.264 1848.0 1849.21 I think the only - ES2004c B FEE013 1 1850.288 1867.159 1850.31 1866.55 I think the only pitfall that we would have would be how much it's going to cost if that means we have to cut down somewhere else , but I think pretty much we've used cheap relatively cheap and simple things . The L_C_D_'s not cheap . 1858.33 1865.2 1866.55 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1855.029 1855.616 1855.2 1855.57 Yeah . 1855.57 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1863.114 1863.766 1863.14 1863.51 Yeah . 1863.51 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1864.072 1864.666 1864.19 1864.61 Mm . 1864.61 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1864.848 1876.88 1865.0 1876.68 Yeah to s th well it's it's not as expensive as it would be if it was full colour 'cause if we've just got a black and white one , I mean they use them in calculators so . 1874.32 1876.68 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1866.509 1867.3 1866.87 1867.12 Hmm . 1867.12 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1876.496 1877.806 1876.52 1877.65 Yeah , okay . 1877.15 1877.65 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1877.44 1879.36 1877.46 1879.25 Maybe we could start with the black and white . 1879.25 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1879.89 1880.464 1880.02 1880.43 Yeah . 1880.43 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1880.666 1883.232 1880.73 1883.07 That that way we could upgrade later . 1883.07 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1880.678 1882.0 1880.79 1881.97 And you could yeah . 1881.97 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1883.68 1889.778 1883.7 1889.58 Yeah , we talked about kinetic charging , we've deci seem to have decided on that , did we decide on double A_ or triple A_ batteries ? 1884.62 1886.14 1887.55 1889.58 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1884.064 1884.608 1884.08 1884.57 Okay . 1884.57 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1884.892 1885.279 1885.03 1885.11 Mm . 1885.11 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1890.208 1890.592 1890.24 1890.56 Mm . 1890.56 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1890.512 1892.316 1890.54 1892.28 Well you cou um . 1892.28 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1891.337 1893.451 1891.65 1893.12 Do you want like a back-up ? 1893.12 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1893.84 1900.944 1893.87 1900.91 No , one of the decisions we had to make was whether we had double A_ or triple A_ batteries 'cause they've still got to be charged this way haven't they ? I oh I see . 1894.25 1900.16 1900.91 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1899.029 1905.056 1899.26 1905.02 K no the kinetic ones come come with um a sort of w watch a battery that goes in a watch . 1905.02 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1905.04 1906.16 1905.07 1906.07 Right , okay , got you . 1905.37 1905.79 1906.07 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1906.128 1908.576 1906.15 1908.576 So it's a lot smaller , so it would 1907.72 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1908.384 1910.752 1908.4 1910.62 Got you on that okay , didn't realise . 1910.07 1910.62 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1912.672 1920.761 1912.74 1920.62 Um , okay so we've got battery . The inside components is pretty standardised across the board isn't it ? 1913.59 1915.88 1920.62 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1921.06 1921.84 1921.17 1921.78 Yeah . 1921.78 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1921.704 1922.31 1921.81 1922.08 Yeah . 1922.08 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1921.824 1925.952 1921.89 1925.92 So there's not a really a decision to be made there , um . 1925.35 1925.92 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1928.064 1931.28 1928.08 1931.28 The buttons what did you give us as our - ES2004c B FEE013 1 1934.639 1937.16 1934.74 1937.16 The bare-board L_C_D_ or - ES2004c C MEE014 2 1936.336 1947.744 1936.36 1947.7 Yeah the well I think were we're going for the L_C_D_ on that one , on the buttons , on the on the on on the top one we're gonna yeah . 1939.88 1941.34 1947.7 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1944.462 1949.488 1944.71 1949.488 On the top one okay you've got the touch okay and then - ES2004c C MEE014 2 1950.016 1955.184 1950.04 1955.15 On the bottom we were gonna have the rubber , the rubber ones , the anti-R_S_I_ ones . 1951.83 1953.04 1955.15 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1956.257 1958.528 1956.257 1958.47 Okay , okay . 1958.07 1958.47 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1959.504 1961.8 1959.77 1961.7 Sorry could you repeat that last part ? 1961.7 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1961.76 1970.483 1961.78 1970.2 Um , okay on we've got the flip the flip-screen , the top one is gonna be the L_C_D_ and the bottom one is gonna be the rubberised buttons . 1962.36 1965.57 1970.2 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1963.472 1964.686 1963.65 1964.64 L_C_D_ screen . 1964.64 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1965.51 1966.133 1965.56 1965.89 Mm-hmm . 1965.89 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1969.808 1970.448 1969.83 1970.4 Okay . 1970.4 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1971.424 1972.936 1971.44 1972.6 And for the sorry . 1972.6 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1972.924 1974.415 1973.36 1974.15 No , it's fine . 1973.61 1974.15 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1977.072 1987.856 1977.09 1987.82 For the body design I think plastic , uh w yeah we could use the body , for the inside and uh rubber as a padding or for the grip , something like to add to the design . 1980.29 1982.66 1985.92 1987.82 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1979.92 1981.904 1980.19 1981.62 Plastic , okay . 1981.14 1981.62 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1981.375 1983.004 1981.56 1982.56 For the inside . 1982.56 ES2004c C MEE014 2 1983.328 1983.84 1983.35 1983.79 Yeah . 1983.79 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1987.776 1988.144 1987.8 1988.09 Mm-hmm . 1988.09 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1988.176 1994.345 1988.2 1993.77 Mm-hmm , so we decided on a rubber casing for the plastic shell , a variety of designs , okay . 1989.45 1992.1 1993.33 1993.77 ES2004c A MEO015 0 1991.702 1992.83 1991.72 1992.64 Plast right . 1992.64 ES2004c B FEE013 1 1992.005 1994.297 1992.005 1993.92 Oh I think so , I think so . 1993.29 1993.92 ES2004c D FEE016 3 1995.728 2008.384 1995.97 2008.31 and it is just uh although it's rubberised and spongy , apart from that we're just going to go for sort of vegetable and fruit colours , we're not gonna try and make it actually a vegetable or fruit design or anything else , like a shell that we discussed , just go for the colours . 1998.86 2001.8 2006.25 2007.38 2008.31 ES2004c C MEE014 2 2006.032 2006.912 2006.05 2006.49 Mm no . 2006.49 ES2004c B FEE013 1 2006.512 2036.656 2007.04 2036.62 No I think I we don't wanna be tacky if we've got a kind of different shape anyway um the fact the m the material that we would be using would be cheap , so we could make it red , we could make it um psychedelic , you know , we could make it black and white zebra stripes , but that's not really what we're focusing on , what we're focusing on is the m you know yes . So we could just pick anything . 2018.58 2020.08 2024.54 2024.79 2027.7 2029.88 2033.84 2036.62 ES2004c A MEO015 0 2008.144 2008.827 2008.16 2008.827 It's - ES2004c D FEE016 3 2010.018 2010.992 2010.38 2010.94 Okay . 2010.94 ES2004c D FEE016 3 2024.937 2025.488 2025.11 2025.45 Mm-hmm . 2025.45 ES2004c D FEE016 3 2031.776 2032.32 2031.8 2032.28 The feel . 2032.28 ES2004c D FEE016 3 2034.428 2035.379 2034.76 2035.14 'Kay . 2035.14 ES2004c D FEE016 3 2036.818 2056.687 2036.89 2056.35 Mm-hmm . Is that going to be this image I've got in my head of something kind of shaped like that , maybe about that size , made of plastic , fits into the palm of the hand , rubberised cover that's spongy . Is that really going to fit fancy look and feel which was the major thing that people wanted , market research , is that fancy ? 2037.64 2042.22 2044.29 2045.99 2047.26 2049.18 2054.42 2055.12 2056.35 ES2004c B FEE013 1 2054.927 2083.606 2055.21 2083.606 It's just different it's just different from everything else and I mean , I'm trying to imagine um clean looking houses , sort of beige and black um so you either want something that goes with that , which is what's on the market anyway , or you want something that contrasts as you know like you get clocks now that are more of a talking point than an actual clock because they're so interesting and 2059.92 2064.24 2071.05 2072.95 ES2004c A MEO015 0 2054.878 2057.392 2055.44 2057.27 Uh I it's different . 2057.27 ES2004c D FEE016 3 2063.39 2064.274 2063.56 2063.96 Mm . 2063.96 ES2004c D FEE016 3 2066.672 2067.152 2066.71 2067.11 Mm-hmm . 2067.11 ES2004c D FEE016 3 2071.095 2072.688 2071.57 2072.65 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 2072.31 2072.65 ES2004c C MEE014 2 2075.396 2075.879 2075.42 2075.84 Mm . 2075.84 ES2004c D FEE016 3 2078.464 2078.864 2078.48 2078.83 Mm-hmm . 2078.83 ES2004c D FEE016 3 2080.532 2081.243 2080.532 2081.13 Yeah . 2081.13 ES2004c D FEE016 3 2082.112 2094.637 2082.3 2094.637 I'm just kind of pushing at that to see if you came out with anything else , but I mean I totally agree . We looked at those remotes , I mean they are kind of anonymous , very similar looking things . This would definitely be different enough , I just wondered if anybody could come up with something even more 2085.15 2086.84 2087.81 2089.16 2090.8 2092.19 ES2004c B FEE013 1 2090.126 2090.688 2090.18 2090.65 Mm . 2090.65 ES2004c B FEE013 1 2094.256 2107.089 2094.28 2107.089 And you would just have an across the b you would have so many different options that you could do , you could have um a plain black one , you could have sparkly pink glittery ones for your little 2100.11 2102.89 ES2004c D FEE016 3 2105.244 2117.983 2105.51 2117.88 Well the thing is the rubberised covers are going to be s relatively cheap to produce , that if in a year's time we we get feedback from the design fairs that show something else is coming I mean it's so easy for us to just produce that and it can be slipped on , which is another beauty of it . 2108.72 2116.62 2117.88 ES2004c B FEE013 1 2113.84 2114.62 2113.86 2114.36 Mm . 2114.36 ES2004c B FEE013 1 2115.968 2132.156 2116.3 2131.77 And ones tha ones that have rubbery spikes y you know , you could just go so far with it , like a puffer fish , you could just , you could take it wherever , so I think that's quite a flexible thing . 2121.39 2124.56 2125.54 2126.29 2127.44 2131.77 ES2004c A MEO015 0 2116.262 2117.036 2116.51 2116.73 Right . 2116.73 ES2004c C MEE014 2 2121.135 2122.511 2121.37 2122.511 You can you can just - ES2004c A MEO015 0 2122.864 2125.105 2122.88 2124.91 Acupressure , you could talk of acupressures . 2123.48 2124.91 ES2004c C MEE014 2 2123.536 2124.498 2123.64 2123.92 Yeah . 2123.92 ES2004c C MEE014 2 2128.569 2129.232 2128.75 2129.18 Yeah . 2129.18 ES2004c A MEO015 0 2130.8 2141.056 2130.84 2141.02 And finally the body should be retouchable , may maybe ch you can change the body or the case casing the case outside , it should be moulded it with the design in such a way you can change it every time . 2132.83 2137.43 2141.02 ES2004c B FEE013 1 2136.672 2137.232 2136.69 2137.2 Yes . 2137.2 ES2004c C MEE014 2 2141.296 2151.616 2141.32 2151.32 Yeah , yeah j with these rubber these rubberised ca not the actual uh plastic outside case , just the rubber thing that goes round the outside . 2141.82 2148.72 2151.32 ES2004c B FEE013 1 2145.159 2145.875 2145.43 2145.81 Mm . 2145.81 ES2004c A MEO015 0 2148.083 2149.932 2148.21 2149.66 Okay . The rubber . 2149.19 2149.66 ES2004c B FEE013 1 2149.6 2149.968 2149.62 2149.89 Yeah . 2149.89 ES2004c B FEE013 1 2152.24 2157.28 2152.26 2157.1 Okay we've got five minutes , um , or that might've been up for a while . 2154.26 2155.77 2157.1 ES2004c D FEE016 3 2156.416 2178.56 2156.44 2178.53 Mm , so can I just recap uh Sarah , for the decisions that we've made , kinetic charging , the watch-type batteries , um L_C_D_ display on th the top side of the flip top , rubberised buttons on the bottom side , we're gonna use fruit and vegetable colours for the rubber cover , the case itself is plastic . That's how far we've got , what else do we have to add to our decisions here ? 2157.25 2159.95 2161.0 2162.1 2163.82 2168.72 2171.05 2173.38 2175.86 2176.78 2178.53 ES2004c A MEO015 0 2156.253 2157.12 2156.57 2156.81 Fine . 2156.81 ES2004c A MEO015 0 2159.232 2159.52 2159.26 2159.49 Yeah . 2159.49 ES2004c A MEO015 0 2180.215 2189.952 2180.25 2189.91 Fine , uh we were talking of voice recognition also because that we are not for how to look it uh remote control if it's lost . 2180.72 2189.91 ES2004c D FEE016 3 2183.456 2184.148 2183.48 2183.88 Mm . 2183.88 ES2004c B FEE013 1 2183.76 2184.224 2183.78 2184.19 Mm-hmm . 2184.19 ES2004c A MEO015 0 2190.723 2193.294 2190.83 2193.06 So , are we looking at voice ? 2191.49 2193.06 ES2004c D FEE016 3 2190.928 2196.42 2190.95 2196.36 Yes , it was just , there was just a cost issue with that , but it's a good idea we just need to check on the cost , is that right ? 2191.55 2191.88 2193.34 2195.8 2196.36 ES2004c A MEO015 0 2195.238 2199.872 2195.78 2199.81 Or maybe like uh William was suggesting in the last thing some devices you put on key chains . 2199.81 ES2004c A MEO015 0 2201.344 2208.192 2201.36 2208.13 For l yeah , the whistle . So we can if financially voice recognition is not feasible we could go for a whistle . 2203.02 2204.25 2208.13 ES2004c C MEE014 2 2201.26 2203.384 2201.54 2203.24 Oh yeah , yeah the whistle ones , yeah . 2201.92 2203.01 2203.24 ES2004c D FEE016 3 2216.165 2219.68 2217.03 2219.64 And incorporating the company logo ? 2219.64 ES2004c A MEO015 0 2220.279 2220.877 2220.58 2220.75 Yep . 2220.75 ES2004c B FEE013 1 2221.248 2222.16 2221.33 2222.16 Have you - ES2004c A MEO015 0 2222.496 2225.44 2222.6 2225.4 Uh sorry I didn't mention this , but we'll be incorporating in the design . 2223.9 2225.4 ES2004c D FEE016 3 2225.68 2235.99 2225.71 2235.85 Mm . 'Cause I took it from the feedback you gave in the last meeting from y from y your report , it's not just a case of having a little R_R_ hidden somewhere , they do want it to be obvious that it's our product don't they ? 2226.56 2230.61 2233.25 2235.85 ES2004c B FEE013 1 2226.477 2227.346 2226.58 2227.15 Okay . 2227.15 ES2004c B FEE013 1 2235.472 2260.917 2235.57 2260.57 Well they do , but I think we can you could well it is , it is , I think you just address that with um advertising . Um , you associate the name with the individual product that it is and that does the work for you . Obviously it'll have a logo on it just like everything , but everything else has a logo on it . The point is that it's got to stand out somehow differently but I think it does , without that so I'm not worried about that . 2236.31 2240.68 2241.18 2244.76 2245.43 2250.35 2252.7 2254.19 2258.42 2260.57 ES2004c D FEE016 3 2238.352 2241.399 2238.38 2241.19 Since it's the only one of its kind on the market it's obviously gonna be ours . 2241.19 ES2004c D FEE016 3 2244.24 2244.747 2244.26 2244.55 Yeah . 2244.55 ES2004c C MEE014 2 2247.734 2248.4 2247.83 2248.36 Yeah . 2248.36 ES2004c D FEE016 3 2248.448 2248.96 2248.51 2248.92 Okay . 2248.92 ES2004c D FEE016 3 2256.896 2257.584 2257.1 2257.55 Okay . 2257.55 ES2004c D FEE016 3 2260.256 2268.693 2260.3 2268.42 Okay . Did we I know at the last meeting we spoke about a beeper , I think that was you talked about a beeper for a location , have we just rejected that in favour of voice recognition then ? 2261.5 2264.32 2266.05 2268.42 ES2004c B FEE013 1 2268.464 2276.475 2268.77 2276.4 Depending on how i I mean we've got this memo saying that it's something that the company's looking into , so 2275.94 ES2004c C MEE014 2 2269.728 2271.9 2269.86 2271.65 Yeah , depending on the expense of it . 2270.31 2271.65 ES2004c C MEE014 2 2276.064 2278.24 2276.09 2277.79 And they've got in stock , so yeah . 2277.08 2277.79 ES2004c B FEE013 1 2277.483 2293.28 2277.63 2293.25 um that seems to make sense , but if it turns out that it's hugely expensive we'd have to cut down somewhere else , then it's worth thinking about . But I think we'll find out more about cost afterwards . Right I'm going to wrap it up there . 2279.7 2283.56 2286.98 2291.51 2293.25 ES2004c C MEE014 2 2288.566 2289.194 2288.74 2289.04 Yeah . 2289.04 ES2004c C MEE014 2 2291.328 2291.994 2291.54 2291.89 Okay . 2291.89 ES2004c A MEO015 0 2295.022 2295.93 2295.07 2295.59 Fine . 2295.59 ES2004c B FEE013 1 2296.288 2303.6 2296.32 2303.34 I got a end meeting now message on my mo yeah so . Um 2302.58 ES2004c A MEO015 0 2298.362 2299.162 2298.53 2298.98 Mm-hmm . 2298.98 ES2004c C MEE014 2 2299.328 2300.039 2299.35 2299.95 Did it ? 2299.95 ES2004c A MEO015 0 2299.995 2301.047 2300.18 2300.93 Yeah . 2300.93 ES2004c A MEO015 0 2302.256 2303.6 2302.57 2303.55 Again a questionnaire huh ? 2303.55 ES2004c B FEE013 1 2305.104 2312.672 2305.19 2312.55 so I think we've probably got it says , closing we have forty minutes so I um think we've probably got about that time before we come back . 2307.25 2312.55 ES2004c D FEE016 3 2306.672 2307.789 2306.69 2307.56 You got to go through . 2307.56 ES2004c B FEE013 1 2314.336 2315.273 2314.36 2315.24 It's either that or - ES2004c B FEE013 1 2316.224 2321.399 2316.24 2321.1 we only had forty minutes to discuss what we just discussed and don't know how long that took . 2321.1 ES2004c A MEO015 0 2321.104 2324.284 2321.72 2323.97 I think we are pretty going in a clear direction now . 2323.97 ES2004c B FEE013 1 2325.703 2326.816 2325.703 2326.77 Is everyone happy ? 2326.77 ES2004c B FEE013 1 2328.672 2331.824 2328.672 2331.79 Okay . 2331.79 ES2004d B FEE013 1 3.434 6.896 3.68 6.86 If you leave them on the whole time you get to look like a noodle the whole time . 6.86 ES2004d A MEO015 0 13.008 14.192 13.41 14.14 Hmm . 14.14 ES2004d D FEE016 3 15.088 16.176 15.11 15.99 Is that someone's ? 15.99 ES2004d B FEE013 1 19.787 20.906 19.95 20.74 Is that . 20.74 ES2004d A MEO015 0 22.797 23.737 22.99 23.44 Thank you . 23.44 ES2004d B FEE013 1 23.936 25.296 23.936 25.26 three , apparently . 24.8 25.26 ES2004d A MEO015 0 25.456 26.88 26.09 26.84 Hmm . Hmm . 26.63 26.84 ES2004d B FEE013 1 27.36 28.704 27.38 28.56 Okay , you all switched on . 27.7 28.56 ES2004d D FEE016 3 27.754 28.643 27.86 28.38 Okay . 28.38 ES2004d A MEO015 0 28.928 29.68 29.06 29.63 Yep , me too . 29.4 29.63 ES2004d B FEE013 1 32.704 35.568 32.72 35.52 I presume we're good to go . Okay , um 33.91 35.0 ES2004d B FEE013 1 36.576 39.648 36.64 39.52 minutes um we decided to use a kinetic charger , 39.52 ES2004d A MEO015 0 39.808 40.16 39.85 40.11 Mm-hmm . 40.11 ES2004d B FEE013 1 40.912 45.68 40.93 45.64 standard chip , um 'cause it can come in various different sizes , it wasn't uh 42.56 44.82 ES2004d B FEE013 1 47.072 82.544 47.09 82.47 uh gonna be a problem factor . We wanted a stand-by function . The case material is gonna be soft , rubbery , changeable . Um buttons with a combination of L_C_D_ and rubber according to the design . Um bright funky designs inspired by fruit , keeping with the hip kind of feel . Um and to try and incorporate voice recognition software into our design until we can find out more about the cost of things like that . Um and the rubber buttons that we'll use will be anti-R_S_I_ . Okay ? 49.97 51.94 54.04 55.35 56.72 61.22 65.11 68.12 76.31 82.03 82.47 ES2004d B FEE013 1 88.56 90.336 88.58 90.29 Prototype presentation . 90.29 ES2004d C MEE014 2 90.836 92.656 91.37 92.62 Is that for us ? 92.62 ES2004d B FEE013 1 92.576 93.888 92.6 93.81 I think that would be you . 93.81 ES2004d A MEO015 0 92.832 93.401 92.85 93.32 Yep . 93.32 ES2004d C MEE014 2 93.824 94.736 94.1 94.48 Okay . 94.48 ES2004d A MEO015 0 94.656 99.008 94.68 98.97 Me and William worked on a prototype , and I think William is going to make a p presentation on that . 96.42 98.97 ES2004d C MEE014 2 98.896 109.822 99.49 109.822 Yeah , shall I show ? I'll show . Though do you do you wanna do you wanna sh do you wanna hold it and I'll I'll show you the presentation . Can I just nick your 99.75 100.93 102.0 108.3 ES2004d A MEO015 0 100.528 101.211 100.76 101.1 Yeah . 101.1 ES2004d B FEE013 1 103.232 105.86 103.25 105.86 Make sure the camera's - ES2004d A MEO015 0 103.6 104.8 103.62 104.8 I can hold it like - ES2004d A MEO015 0 106.032 108.224 106.05 108.224 Yeah , so 106.91 ES2004d B FEE013 1 108.992 111.034 109.01 110.86 Yes , yes you can . Wait a second , I'll get it out . 109.4 109.95 110.34 110.86 ES2004d C MEE014 2 114.608 115.44 114.8 115.32 Whoa . 115.32 ES2004d A MEO015 0 115.36 116.608 115.96 116.57 It looks - ES2004d B FEE013 1 116.032 116.56 116.05 116.56 Um - ES2004d C MEE014 2 116.528 117.936 116.55 117.74 Going a bit crazy over here . 117.74 ES2004d A MEO015 0 117.856 118.896 117.88 118.82 crazy . 118.82 ES2004d B FEE013 1 118.715 119.826 119.25 119.67 Okay . 119.67 ES2004d C MEE014 2 120.024 121.57 120.76 121.4 Thank you . 121.4 ES2004d B FEE013 1 125.376 131.632 125.376 131.35 You should have one of those things and you can just take it off . Ta-da . 129.88 131.35 ES2004d A MEO015 0 124.179 126.272 125.65 126.23 Um not now . 126.23 ES2004d A MEO015 0 127.019 127.66 127.17 127.52 Oh . 127.52 ES2004d A MEO015 0 129.819 130.382 129.84 130.1 Yeah . 130.1 ES2004d A MEO015 0 132.08 134.618 132.1 134.618 Oh , where are the hinges ? 132.38 134.53 ES2004d C MEE014 2 137.776 151.687 138.63 151.53 Okay , so this is our look and feel presentation , the final our final presentation . And we'll first look at the exterior of what we've uh come up with over there . Um 138.91 141.77 144.53 150.93 ES2004d B FEE013 1 139.226 139.9 139.4 139.74 Right . 139.74 ES2004d B FEE013 1 141.581 142.246 141.73 142.15 Mm 'kay . 142.15 ES2004d A MEO015 0 150.822 152.032 151.2 151.91 'Kay . 151.91 ES2004d C MEE014 2 152.752 202.624 152.77 202.59 It's gonna have a a plastic body um with a sort of standard colour , either we're thinking some something fairly neutral like a a white or a light blue or something . This is underneath the rubberised the rubberised uh outer casing um which there'd be sort of a wide choice they would be attached , but we can we can come up with that . Um the um wide choice of colours and sort of patterns , so you've got you've got a lot of customisation with it . Um it's obviously an a sort of clam-shell design and uh the um the top L_C_D_ screen that you can see that would b would be sort of um 158.94 165.55 175.82 178.38 183.55 187.31 ES2004d A MEO015 0 153.001 154.032 153.04 153.88 You able to look ? 153.88 ES2004d A MEO015 0 155.536 156.016 155.57 155.91 Yep . 155.91 ES2004d B FEE013 1 168.154 168.82 168.24 168.62 Mm-hmm . 168.62 ES2004d B FEE013 1 178.08 178.496 178.12 178.46 Okay . 178.46 ES2004d A MEO015 0 193.591 195.325 193.591 195.325 . 195.325 ES2004d C MEE014 2 203.712 234.227 203.712 234.227 how do you say , it's yeah yeah , it would be sort of inset into the into the top and the buttons at the bottom would d so so it'll fully close flat . Yeah , yeah . And working on the inside we've um already said d decided on the kinetic batteries , which actually , thinking about it now , could y could also probably attach to the flipping open and shut as well , so that you could probably get a bit of 204.86 206.7 215.49 216.17 217.71 225.06 226.66 227.55 231.91 ES2004d A MEO015 0 204.768 207.981 204.79 207.981 The black and white touch screen wherein people can - ES2004d B FEE013 1 209.027 210.673 209.05 210.5 Mm . So it's flush . 209.53 210.5 ES2004d A MEO015 0 210.928 211.612 211.03 211.32 Right . 211.32 ES2004d B FEE013 1 214.864 216.048 214.93 216.01 Oh right , okay , yeah . 215.42 215.79 216.01 ES2004d B FEE013 1 233.088 238.8 233.26 238.77 So put it in the top section rather than the bottom sections , 'cause it's the top part that's okay . 235.93 238.77 ES2004d C MEE014 2 235.472 257.872 235.49 257.8 Yeah . Yeah . Um we decided that um the voice recognition system , it did actually say on the email that they were sort of coming in and they were fairly easy to get a-hold of , so we presumed that they'd also be quite cheap . So you'd have something like where you'd shout out , where where is the remote and 236.55 239.93 243.62 249.97 252.72 255.03 ES2004d A MEO015 0 235.914 236.52 236.06 236.42 Mm-hmm . 236.42 ES2004d C MEE014 2 259.088 261.548 259.11 261.27 it'll shout back , I'm here , or something . 260.11 260.63 261.27 ES2004d D FEE016 3 262.144 267.296 262.144 267.296 Or something . 267.08 ES2004d C MEE014 2 263.456 318.512 263.456 318.36 And then yeah . It wo it won't shout out I'm here or something . It'll just shout out I'm here , or something to similar effect . Uh yeah , if it was going like I d well tha that could be something for next time , maybe . You can have a remote that tells you exactly where it is . Um the standard , there's be a standard transmission with the T_V_ using using all the standard chips that we've talked about . Um it would it would have obviously 'cause it's split over two two different layers , it would need two separate P_C_B_s , so it would be joined at the hinge through some sort of cabling . And uh because , obviously , all T_V_s use this , the same infrared medium , we'd just be using using the same thing to transmit the data . And the infrared 267.23 269.55 272.03 275.32 275.66 280.38 281.57 284.76 285.82 291.74 297.67 299.4 304.62 307.91 308.68 310.29 312.24 316.57 ES2004d B FEE013 1 271.056 273.654 271.08 273.5 Okay . I'm under the sofa . 272.37 273.5 ES2004d A MEO015 0 271.637 272.184 271.77 272.07 'Kay . 272.07 ES2004d A MEO015 0 274.057 275.458 274.29 275.32 Ah oka - ES2004d B FEE013 1 274.608 276.391 274.65 275.93 Or , that would be too complicated . 274.74 275.93 ES2004d B FEE013 1 291.086 292.923 291.23 292.62 Infrared . 292.62 ES2004d C MEE014 2 319.856 329.764 319.88 329.72 um sender would be on the on one of the bot the bottom layer , just at the front of the we haven't I don't think we actually put it on . 325.53 329.72 ES2004d B FEE013 1 329.044 330.09 329.09 329.72 Like here . 329.72 ES2004d C MEE014 2 330.784 332.144 330.8 332.1 Yeah , yeah , something like that . 331.25 331.46 332.1 ES2004d B FEE013 1 332.064 338.608 332.1 338.4 Okay . Actually , no , it would be it would have to be on the on the front . Oh right , yeah , okay , yeah , I've got you . 332.89 333.2 333.37 336.62 337.2 337.46 337.87 337.97 338.4 ES2004d A MEO015 0 332.256 335.432 332.28 335.33 Infrared could be here also . Yeah , here . 334.5 335.1 335.33 ES2004d C MEE014 2 334.176 336.544 334.2 336.51 Yeah , on the front on the front side of that , yeah . 334.44 336.25 336.51 ES2004d A MEO015 0 336.48 342.051 336.48 341.96 . So when it's even if it's open here , the signals would go . Yeah . 336.48 339.76 341.64 341.96 ES2004d B FEE013 1 339.761 341.572 339.8 341.52 It's still pointing , yes . 340.88 341.52 ES2004d C MEE014 2 339.856 358.192 339.9 358.14 So when you've actually got it open , it would be facing the T_V_ . And then finally um on to the interface . The top screen , as we said , is would be an inset um black and white L_C_D_ s touch screen which yeah would 341.28 343.91 348.01 349.54 350.23 ES2004d B FEE013 1 342.267 343.472 342.35 343.35 Yeah , that would make sense . 342.5 343.35 ES2004d A MEO015 0 356.64 357.424 356.66 357.39 This one right here . 357.39 ES2004d C MEE014 2 359.28 391.008 359.3 390.89 uh have all of all of the the available functions for for the remote on it , uh whereas the bot the bottom screen would just contain the standard buttons , like the vo volume up and down , channel up and down , power on and off , and uh things to that effect . And now we've we also decided on the inside , we could possibly either have um some some kind of sort of bezzled 365.84 370.58 372.95 374.36 376.27 380.61 384.39 ES2004d A MEO015 0 374.192 375.858 374.192 375.858 . 375.858 ES2004d B FEE013 1 375.264 375.744 375.28 375.7 Okay . 375.7 ES2004d C MEE014 2 392.32 398.24 392.4 397.83 uh logo on it , or something inset , or maybe an engraving of the logo on the top . 393.5 394.65 397.83 ES2004d A MEO015 0 398.694 399.715 398.96 399.715 Which is - ES2004d B FEE013 1 399.024 403.037 399.04 403.037 But not interfering with the outside kind of look of the product once it's - ES2004d C MEE014 2 400.016 417.454 400.04 417.09 No d not not actually . No , not uh interfering with l the whole look of the the product when it's uh on the thing . And finally that's how we put the fashion back into electronics , as that is that's the company logo . 402.29 402.51 408.67 413.24 417.09 ES2004d A MEO015 0 400.89 401.419 400.96 401.28 No . 401.28 ES2004d A MEO015 0 404.607 406.008 404.82 405.57 Look up to it . 405.57 ES2004d B FEE013 1 405.42 406.018 405.44 405.78 Okay . 405.78 ES2004d B FEE013 1 413.408 415.136 413.43 415.1 Thank you very much . 415.1 ES2004d A MEO015 0 415.248 416.26 415.27 416.22 Yay . 416.22 ES2004d B FEE013 1 416.512 422.08 416.53 421.99 Wrapping it all up , okay . Um I've now got evaluation criteria . 417.53 419.12 421.99 ES2004d D FEE016 3 416.951 418.19 417.13 418.06 Well done . 418.06 ES2004d D FEE016 3 422.16 422.8 422.2 422.74 Certainly . 422.74 ES2004d A MEO015 0 423.632 427.619 424.26 427.56 So this is the one . Sorry . 426.75 427.56 ES2004d B FEE013 1 426.977 432.332 427.07 432.17 It's to be presented . Okay . 431.7 432.17 ES2004d C MEE014 2 428.497 431.296 428.81 431.05 There you go . . 431.05 431.05 ES2004d D FEE016 3 428.681 431.064 428.82 430.87 Logged in ? Thank you . Oops . 429.34 430.55 430.87 ES2004d A MEO015 0 438.432 439.584 438.47 439.06 Evaluation . 439.06 ES2004d A MEO015 0 446.022 447.005 446.022 447.005 . 447.005 ES2004d A MEO015 0 448.32 450.416 448.34 450.37 Mm um I I think this is chip . 450.37 ES2004d B FEE013 1 451.888 454.208 452.26 454.15 It's quite similar to what it was before , though . 453.84 454.15 ES2004d D FEE016 3 454.192 486.304 454.21 486.19 Okay . This stage of the evaluation is really for us as a team to evaluate if we have now got a product specification and prototype design that meets the the criteria that we got from our market research . So this is the first stage of the evaluation . Now , the collection of the criteria , as we saw in our previous meeting , was based on the user requirements and trends found in the marketing reports and marketing strategy of our company . So it's what we've discussed in the last meeting , are we actually meeting those trends and requirements ? 456.0 469.75 472.49 472.72 474.01 475.47 481.58 483.24 486.19 ES2004d B FEE013 1 455.36 455.664 455.38 455.63 Sorry . 455.63 ES2004d D FEE016 3 488.336 523.952 488.36 523.952 Now the findings that we came up with , just a recap , are here . The criteria that we want in this remote control are a fancy look and feel , technological innovation , it should be easy to use , it should incorporate current fashion trends , and those the two main ones , they were the spongy texture and the fruit and vegetable strong design colours . The design should minimise R_S_I_ and be easy to locate and we were still um uh slightly ambivalent as to whether to use voice recognition there , though that did seem to be the favoured strategy , but there was also , on the sideline , the though of maybe having a beeper function . 489.74 490.66 491.16 496.19 498.11 499.91 502.12 503.26 508.45 517.64 519.97 520.74 521.35 523.18 ES2004d A MEO015 0 504.751 505.588 504.94 505.44 Mm-hmm . 505.44 ES2004d D FEE016 3 525.024 550.848 525.04 550.81 Okay , so we can come back to that slide , if you don't have a note of those . I'll just show you how we're going to evaluate our own feedback to this , to what we have so far . We're going to use a seven point scale , where one is true and seven is false . We look at each of those criteria that I've just mentioned , I'll call that slide back up , and I will just do a preliminary rating of all those criteria on the whiteboard here . Does that seem clear ? Any questions there ? 525.59 527.27 528.81 532.62 534.67 537.07 539.13 541.52 543.37 548.94 549.82 550.81 ES2004d C MEE014 2 543.76 544.72 543.83 544.45 Yeah . 544.45 ES2004d A MEO015 0 548.473 548.88 548.5 548.84 Mm-hmm . 548.84 ES2004d A MEO015 0 550.768 551.936 550.79 551.82 Ah , it's perfect . 551.31 551.82 ES2004d D FEE016 3 552.352 554.0 552.41 553.77 So we're going to look at these crite - ES2004d A MEO015 0 553.344 556.241 553.36 556.21 Is it everybody is going to evaluate , or just the Market okay . 554.64 556.21 ES2004d D FEE016 3 555.168 565.344 555.19 565.2 Yes , we're going to come to w we'll discuss each one and we'll come to a consensus rating between one and seven . Is that okay ? One is true , seven is false . 556.14 562.26 563.05 563.78 565.2 ES2004d B FEE013 1 557.917 558.773 558.25 558.69 Mm-hmm . 558.69 ES2004d B FEE013 1 561.84 562.24 561.86 562.21 Okay . 562.21 ES2004d A MEO015 0 562.554 563.136 562.82 563.02 'Kay . 563.02 ES2004d D FEE016 3 567.136 584.48 567.17 584.48 Right . So I won't write all of that out again . It will just be criteria one , two , three , four , five , six , or A_ , B_ , C_ , D_ , E_ , F_ to confuse it with the number rating . B_ , C_ , D_ , E_ , F_ . This is where I realise how tiny I actually am . 569.32 570.98 572.28 572.55 572.84 573.11 573.54 573.86 574.16 574.36 574.63 574.76 575.03 577.68 577.99 578.37 578.69 580.14 580.75 584.16 ES2004d B FEE013 1 582.976 585.392 582.976 585.33 Just write small . 585.33 ES2004d D FEE016 3 586.304 587.248 586.32 587.19 Criteria - ES2004d D FEE016 3 590.943 592.293 590.99 592.05 and rating . 592.05 ES2004d D FEE016 3 595.472 609.12 595.77 608.96 Actually , it might be an idea , if we each did give our own individual rating , and we could take an average at the end . How about that ? Okay . So I'll just separate the ratings by obliques , and if we go one , two , three , four , we know who's who . 596.1 596.98 598.86 600.22 601.52 602.78 604.92 605.83 606.12 606.43 606.8 608.96 ES2004d B FEE013 1 600.752 602.311 600.78 602.04 Yeah . That works . 601.41 602.04 ES2004d A MEO015 0 600.557 602.288 600.95 602.288 Yeah , so you can 601.22 ES2004d C MEE014 2 600.827 602.109 601.0 601.69 Yeah , okay . 601.27 601.69 ES2004d C MEE014 2 607.664 608.365 607.68 607.93 Yeah . 607.93 ES2004d B FEE013 1 607.814 608.494 607.94 608.27 Mm-hmm . 608.27 ES2004d D FEE016 3 615.996 631.472 616.02 631.41 Okay . Criteria A_ , the fancy look and feel . How do we feel about this prototype model relating to fancy it is a fancy look and feel . One is true , seven is false . My own rating for that would be a two . 617.53 619.04 621.47 626.6 627.42 628.86 631.41 ES2004d D FEE016 3 632.496 634.512 632.52 634.48 One is true and seven is false . 634.48 ES2004d B FEE013 1 636.928 637.712 636.928 637.65 I would agree . 637.65 ES2004d C MEE014 2 638.682 647.06 638.7 646.76 Yeah , I'd uh yeah I'd probably put it uh two yeah , two or three . No , three . Three . 638.95 644.74 645.68 645.89 646.43 646.76 ES2004d D FEE016 3 638.336 639.664 638.81 639.62 I'll just go this way . 639.62 ES2004d B FEE013 1 639.472 639.824 639.49 639.79 Okay . 639.79 ES2004d A MEO015 0 639.7 640.556 640.16 640.51 'Kay . 640.51 ES2004d D FEE016 3 644.889 645.546 644.98 645.49 Two . 645.49 ES2004d D FEE016 3 646.614 647.536 646.79 647.44 Okay . 647.44 ES2004d B FEE013 1 649.488 650.08 649.51 650.05 I would say two . 650.05 ES2004d D FEE016 3 650.224 650.762 650.27 650.7 Two . 650.7 ES2004d A MEO015 0 653.088 655.502 653.088 655.22 I would say four . Mm-hmm . 654.95 655.22 ES2004d D FEE016 3 654.08 666.331 654.1 666.18 A four , okay . Adding those up , we've got a six and a five , eleven divided by four is what ? Uh two and three quarters , it that right . Two and three quarters ? 654.92 656.09 656.86 658.1 661.32 662.79 665.51 666.18 ES2004d C MEE014 2 662.38 663.935 662.78 663.75 Mm yeah . 663.75 ES2004d A MEO015 0 663.028 664.016 663.23 663.78 Almost three . 663.78 ES2004d A MEO015 0 667.472 668.224 667.56 668.16 I think yeah . 668.16 ES2004d C MEE014 2 668.368 669.6 668.39 669.52 Yeah , yeah . 669.2 669.52 ES2004d D FEE016 3 669.344 669.808 669.39 669.77 Okay . 669.77 ES2004d D FEE016 3 671.904 679.52 671.92 679.45 Two point seven five , there we go . Okay , criteria B_ , criterion B_ , technologically innovative . 672.96 674.63 675.15 676.27 677.71 679.45 ES2004d D FEE016 3 680.784 683.744 680.8 683.7 I would give that a three . 683.7 ES2004d C MEE014 2 686.368 687.859 686.39 687.37 I'd give it a one . 687.37 ES2004d D FEE016 3 687.648 692.976 687.77 692.92 Okay . Not that you're biased in that it the designer . 688.95 692.92 ES2004d C MEE014 2 689.957 691.808 690.05 691.75 No , no , not at all . 690.61 691.24 691.75 ES2004d B FEE013 1 696.0 696.784 696.02 696.59 A two . 696.59 ES2004d A MEO015 0 698.589 704.352 698.92 704.29 Oh sorry , I I got it wrong . The first one rating , I'm sorry . Can you just make it two ? 699.55 701.23 702.12 702.98 704.29 ES2004d D FEE016 3 705.264 708.88 705.32 708.63 The average oh , for you ? You want your rating to be a two ? 706.1 707.18 708.63 ES2004d A MEO015 0 705.243 707.878 705.43 707.57 The first . Yeah , I I just it the other way . 706.03 706.5 707.57 ES2004d A MEO015 0 708.96 709.952 708.98 709.952 Uh in - ES2004d D FEE016 3 710.352 712.482 710.37 712.05 Is that what you're saying ? Okay . 711.82 712.05 ES2004d A MEO015 0 711.152 712.421 711.17 712.421 Yep , I just got 711.61 ES2004d D FEE016 3 714.944 718.0 714.96 718.0 So , I'll work out the average for that again at the end . It's a very slightly altered 715.14 716.65 ES2004d D FEE016 3 719.568 721.808 719.59 721.77 Okay , and we're just waiting for your rating f 720.29 ES2004d A MEO015 0 720.638 721.439 720.69 721.3 two point f - ES2004d B FEE013 1 720.644 722.896 721.17 722.86 It's just two point five for that one . 722.86 ES2004d D FEE016 3 723.008 724.26 723.03 724.2 Two point five , okay . 723.65 724.2 ES2004d C MEE014 2 723.029 723.815 723.11 723.59 Yeah . 723.59 ES2004d D FEE016 3 727.027 730.213 727.55 730.1 Losing one decimal place , that's okay . 729.12 730.1 ES2004d A MEO015 0 728.619 730.88 728.78 730.85 One is a , seven is false , okay . 729.78 730.54 730.85 ES2004d D FEE016 3 730.971 734.112 730.99 734.05 So what are you rating for this one , Paw ? Two , okay . 732.35 733.13 733.53 734.05 ES2004d A MEO015 0 732.087 732.963 732.46 732.69 Two . 732.69 ES2004d D FEE016 3 735.58 740.096 735.81 739.91 So that is eight . That brings it down to two , nice and simple , yeah . 737.34 738.27 739.59 739.91 ES2004d C MEE014 2 738.384 738.784 738.4 738.67 Two . 738.67 ES2004d D FEE016 3 741.504 744.864 741.55 744.83 Okay , ease of use . Easy to use ? 742.86 743.66 744.83 ES2004d D FEE016 3 745.904 749.568 745.99 749.46 Based on what you've said there , I would say a one , true . 747.54 749.1 749.46 ES2004d C MEE014 2 753.017 753.837 753.08 753.41 Two . 753.41 ES2004d D FEE016 3 753.824 754.687 753.92 754.53 Two . 754.53 ES2004d B FEE013 1 758.512 761.632 758.53 761.58 I would say a two . I would say a two . 760.76 761.58 ES2004d D FEE016 3 760.112 761.168 760.23 761.13 A two , okay . 760.75 761.13 ES2004d A MEO015 0 763.6 764.128 763.62 764.08 Two . 764.08 ES2004d D FEE016 3 764.08 764.592 764.14 764.55 Two . 764.55 ES2004d D FEE016 3 766.4 793.104 766.42 793.0 I should've said a two to make the arithmetic easy , shouldn't I ? We'll just put almost two , because I'm not gonna get into silly decimal places . Okay . Or we or if we want to really bring it down , we can do later . Um mm now we're looking at it incorporates current fashion trends , now that's particularly in relation to our market research findings about the spongy texture to the exterior and the fruit and vegetable design colours . 768.41 770.76 772.21 774.83 775.66 777.36 778.98 784.92 793.0 ES2004d B FEE013 1 772.415 775.664 772.44 775.62 One point seven f five . Okay , mm-hmm . 774.43 775.36 775.62 ES2004d C MEE014 2 774.128 774.512 774.15 774.47 Yeah . 774.47 ES2004d C MEE014 2 779.744 780.496 779.76 780.28 D_ . 780.28 ES2004d C MEE014 2 785.259 786.033 785.53 785.85 One . 785.85 ES2004d C MEE014 2 793.552 794.096 793.57 793.84 Yeah . 793.84 ES2004d D FEE016 3 794.432 803.904 794.46 803.87 Right . So I'm just thinking , before I give it my rating , you were limited in the use of materials for your prototype here . Is this actually going to be the colours that you would use ? 795.43 796.3 797.99 801.52 803.87 ES2004d C MEE014 2 801.168 802.644 801.19 802.644 Yeah , that's 801.83 ES2004d C MEE014 2 803.376 820.685 803.4 820.45 No , no , the the base colour was um white or or like or l sort of a light blue , but the changeable fa faces would uh allow you to get any basically any one of a number of colours that uh th it's full sort of customised . 803.85 804.16 810.46 820.45 ES2004d A MEO015 0 806.192 808.656 806.39 808.61 White . With for the plastic ? Uh blue . 806.95 808.0 808.61 ES2004d D FEE016 3 810.608 811.12 810.67 810.96 Right . 810.96 ES2004d A MEO015 0 815.436 816.247 815.51 816.247 Any - ES2004d D FEE016 3 818.592 825.886 818.61 825.85 So we could use any strong fruit and veg colours and that's what we're intending to do . Okay . And the spongy feel is no problem with that . 823.12 824.05 825.85 ES2004d A MEO015 0 821.157 821.884 821.44 821.79 Right . 821.79 ES2004d C MEE014 2 821.52 824.824 821.54 824.824 Yeah , yeah , yeah and 822.54 823.07 ES2004d B FEE013 1 822.364 823.057 822.51 822.86 Mm-hmm . 822.86 ES2004d A MEO015 0 822.919 823.447 822.98 823.21 Mm-hmm . 823.21 ES2004d C MEE014 2 825.872 834.944 825.89 834.91 No , no , 'cause th that's that's the the spongy feel would be in the rubber that you put round it , that otherwise it's just sort of hard plastic . 826.11 826.46 832.08 834.91 ES2004d A MEO015 0 825.882 827.718 826.0 827.718 Yeah , because you'll be having a 826.23 ES2004d A MEO015 0 830.032 831.179 830.07 831.14 Because of the rubber case . 831.14 ES2004d D FEE016 3 832.016 832.72 832.09 832.68 Okay . 832.68 ES2004d D FEE016 3 834.832 836.864 835.01 836.83 In that case it's got to be a one for me . 836.83 ES2004d C MEE014 2 837.967 840.009 838.01 839.5 Yeah , I'll give it a one as well . 838.21 839.5 ES2004d D FEE016 3 839.36 841.44 839.38 841.39 Yep . Everybody ? Okay . 840.46 840.98 841.39 ES2004d B FEE013 1 840.448 840.85 840.47 840.79 One . 840.79 ES2004d A MEO015 0 843.28 843.936 843.3 843.81 One . 843.81 ES2004d D FEE016 3 843.888 852.976 843.888 852.94 That part was nice and easy . Okay . Uh moving on to does the design minimise repetitive strain injury . 846.76 848.03 852.94 ES2004d C MEE014 2 845.643 846.768 845.87 846.768 Yeah . 846.71 ES2004d A MEO015 0 846.028 846.677 846.15 846.46 Mm . 846.46 ES2004d D FEE016 3 854.832 860.288 854.99 860.08 I don't think we've really touched on that a lot . We've we've discussed it , we haven't really come up with anything that 856.94 857.87 ES2004d C MEE014 2 855.0 855.761 855.02 855.73 Mm . 855.73 ES2004d C MEE014 2 856.511 857.328 856.55 857.08 No . 857.08 ES2004d D FEE016 3 861.536 871.991 861.56 871.78 we felt could feasibly reduce that . We've talked about pointers , but the very use of a remote control , if you're someone who's zapping , who's sitting like that , and we found so many people did , how do you minimise that on such a small device ? 863.09 864.18 865.82 867.08 867.8 869.3 871.78 ES2004d C MEE014 2 867.44 868.136 867.46 868.03 Yeah . 868.03 ES2004d B FEE013 1 871.344 879.6 871.36 879.57 Well the type of button that we're gonna use in the bottom half , the material , minimises R_S_I_ it's meant to . Um 874.76 875.98 878.89 ES2004d C MEE014 2 875.904 876.656 875.92 876.62 It's meant to be . 876.62 ES2004d D FEE016 3 875.938 876.49 876.07 876.4 Mm-hmm . 876.4 ES2004d D FEE016 3 877.968 878.448 878.04 878.41 Mm-hmm . 878.41 ES2004d B FEE013 1 881.888 892.352 881.91 892.31 maybe because it's slightl with the size that we've got it's quite small , but with the amount of stuff we're putting on it isn't that much . So maybe because there's more space , it's not kind of moving around trying to 885.31 888.55 890.15 ES2004d D FEE016 3 887.776 888.256 887.8 888.18 Mm . 888.18 ES2004d D FEE016 3 893.04 893.584 893.07 893.54 Mm-hmm . 893.54 ES2004d B FEE013 1 893.109 899.632 893.13 899.632 hit accurately the buttons in between . It's quite obvious just big buttons . Um 895.72 899.0 ES2004d D FEE016 3 895.184 895.776 895.2 895.62 Right . 895.62 ES2004d D FEE016 3 898.0 903.104 898.06 902.94 Right . I think I'm gonna have to be neutral on that and give it a four . 899.81 902.94 ES2004d C MEE014 2 902.218 903.046 902.31 902.87 Yeah . 902.87 ES2004d C MEE014 2 905.476 909.653 905.59 909.653 Yeah , I'd uh I'd f I'd go for a five , actually , 'cause 905.88 908.25 909.13 ES2004d D FEE016 3 908.004 909.616 908.14 909.58 A five , okay . 909.07 909.58 ES2004d B FEE013 1 911.481 912.13 911.53 911.87 Four . 911.87 ES2004d D FEE016 3 911.92 915.072 911.94 915.03 Four and a four okay . 915.03 ES2004d A MEO015 0 913.008 913.776 913.17 913.62 Four . 913.62 ES2004d D FEE016 3 917.28 922.144 917.63 922.02 Twenty one is that twenty one ? So that's four point two five . 919.65 922.02 ES2004d C MEE014 2 922.304 922.716 922.35 922.55 Yep . 922.55 ES2004d D FEE016 3 925.221 936.05 925.61 935.61 And finally , last but not least , easy to locate . Now we talked about voice recognition , we talked about a beeper , have we really have the designers come to any dec real decision on that ? 926.8 928.36 929.47 930.93 931.94 935.61 ES2004d C MEE014 2 932.112 939.344 932.8 939.31 Yeah . Yeah , it was it was uh a voice voice recognition , yeah . 934.54 934.74 938.99 939.31 ES2004d A MEO015 0 935.938 937.642 936.01 937.54 Voice r recognition . 937.54 ES2004d D FEE016 3 937.312 944.384 937.33 944.33 It was the I'm here thing , yep . And are we happy with the costs on that ? That is going to be feasible , cost-wise . 938.89 940.33 942.37 943.6 944.33 ES2004d C MEE014 2 942.736 945.408 942.76 945.35 Yeah , yeah , that yeah , that's feasible . 943.1 943.35 944.48 945.35 ES2004d D FEE016 3 945.44 950.336 945.46 950.29 That sounds good then . I'd go for a I ca we can adjust the volume on that , just as we could volume on T_V_ . 946.41 948.81 950.29 ES2004d C MEE014 2 951.24 953.525 951.26 953.45 Um I think it would r - ES2004d D FEE016 3 951.884 955.392 952.16 955.36 So if sombody's in the other room or if T_V_s in different rooms , or . 955.18 955.36 ES2004d C MEE014 2 956.0 964.528 956.02 964.49 I think it would probably be a a stand it would be a stand it would be quite loud . So it would be s p yeah . 962.44 964.49 ES2004d B FEE013 1 957.909 959.294 958.22 959.02 A standard . 959.02 ES2004d B FEE013 1 961.456 962.176 961.48 962.09 It would be . 962.09 ES2004d D FEE016 3 961.552 965.102 961.68 964.49 Right . Okay . You built into the feature . 962.26 963.24 964.49 ES2004d B FEE013 1 963.808 968.48 963.83 968.45 And if you didn't hear it in the room that you were standing in , then you'd realise that it wasn't in that room , you'd go into another room . 965.91 967.49 968.45 ES2004d D FEE016 3 967.312 967.792 967.33 967.76 Okay . 967.76 ES2004d C MEE014 2 968.0 968.928 968.07 968.29 Yeah . 968.29 ES2004d D FEE016 3 968.784 971.792 968.99 971.57 Logical . That's a one for me . 970.72 971.57 ES2004d C MEE014 2 971.536 973.216 971.536 973.08 Yeah , one . 972.5 973.08 ES2004d D FEE016 3 972.784 975.68 972.8 975.64 One and one , good . 975.05 975.64 ES2004d B FEE013 1 973.712 974.148 973.73 973.97 One . 973.97 ES2004d C MEE014 2 976.805 982.506 976.805 982.506 I do realise that we might be being fairly biased , 'cause it is our product , but 980.32 981.41 ES2004d D FEE016 3 980.736 1019.782 980.736 1019.58 So , how do we feel about this ? We've got our our we've got the highest rating of meeting the specifications that is definitely true for two of the uh six criteria there . That is for um incorporates current fashion trends and is easy to locate . The lowest rating we've got , which is really n it's not terribly low , i it's close around neutral is for uh the minimisation of repetitive strain injury . Do we feel on the basis of tha of these evaluation findings that we can go ahead and now produce this as a prototype and market it , or do we have to make further modifications ? 984.76 985.82 995.08 1001.02 1002.29 1003.71 1011.19 1017.57 1019.58 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1021.376 1022.24 1021.4 1022.18 I don't think so . 1022.18 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1022.875 1026.112 1022.9 1026.04 W I thin yeah , I think yeah . 1023.73 1026.04 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1023.408 1024.496 1023.43 1024.4 We happy to go ahead ? 1024.4 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1024.288 1026.304 1024.31 1026.27 I think we yeah . I think we're set . 1025.58 1026.27 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1025.6 1032.048 1025.62 1032.01 Yeah . I think for most of those ratings that it's high enough at the upper end of the scale for us to go ahead with that , and I really doubt if 1026.9 1031.23 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1033.056 1039.587 1033.08 1039.46 on the basis of current technology and our current capabilities , we could actually do much more to minimise that . 1036.88 1039.46 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1037.804 1040.4 1037.85 1040.4 Do much apart from having a huge big - ES2004d C MEE014 2 1039.216 1040.064 1039.24 1039.86 Mm . 1039.86 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1040.336 1048.208 1040.36 1048.17 I know . Okay . Well , I hope that's uh clear to the team . Is there anything you would like to to ask me about the findings before I 1041.99 1042.79 1042.91 1045.0 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1049.103 1049.754 1049.28 1049.65 sum up ? 1049.65 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1050.176 1050.848 1050.24 1050.81 Don't think so . 1050.81 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1050.314 1050.944 1050.44 1050.72 No . 1050.72 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1050.88 1055.959 1050.9 1055.9 Good . Fine then . I'll just leave it there . Oops . 1052.69 1053.57 1054.64 1055.9 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1054.34 1055.696 1054.34 1055.66 Okay , thank you . 1055.12 1055.66 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1063.83 1070.624 1063.83 1070.59 Okay , I've got finance here now . I'm gonna plug this in so you can all see it , if that's okay . 1065.57 1067.22 1069.7 1070.59 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1064.59 1065.384 1064.69 1065.23 Hmm . 1065.23 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1071.984 1072.813 1072.23 1072.6 Um . 1072.6 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1071.903 1073.088 1072.25 1072.91 Oh yes . 1072.91 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1078.471 1080.274 1078.78 1080.04 You want me to b unplug that ? 1080.04 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1096.293 1097.92 1096.55 1097.68 That's all . Yes . 1096.98 1097.68 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1098.192 1099.066 1098.28 1098.81 Thanks . 1098.81 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1108.864 1109.806 1108.89 1109.31 Right . 1109.31 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1109.949 1111.153 1110.38 1111.03 Okay . 1111.03 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1112.08 1113.808 1112.62 1113.73 Now I presume - ES2004d B FEE013 1 1115.536 1116.814 1115.56 1116.72 that the screen will go blank , 1116.72 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1117.888 1119.632 1117.91 1119.632 that um - ES2004d B FEE013 1 1125.984 1135.024 1126.0 1134.85 Okay . We just type numbers into this and we come out with the final value . So are we still on for kinetic ? 1126.68 1132.01 1134.85 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1135.072 1135.956 1135.1 1135.43 Yeah . 1135.43 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1135.357 1136.155 1135.45 1135.7 Yes . 1135.7 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1135.873 1142.208 1136.15 1142.17 Okay . See , it woulda been handy to have this at the beginning . Um it might have influenced our choice . 1137.15 1137.29 1139.95 1142.17 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1145.008 1147.92 1145.1 1147.89 Right , what's happening with the electronics ? 1145.33 1147.89 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1148.261 1151.872 1148.35 1151.872 It was a regular chip on print and - ES2004d A MEO015 0 1149.801 1151.048 1150.01 1150.8 Chip on print . 1150.8 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1157.888 1159.028 1157.94 1158.87 Double-curved . 1158.87 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1157.882 1159.648 1158.1 1159.648 Oh , no , no , no , the um 1158.24 1158.4 1158.61 1158.93 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1161.296 1166.832 1161.34 1166.78 Yeah , it's you you've put in three for the number of kinetic cells , there should just be one . 1161.58 1165.62 1166.78 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1168.0 1171.347 1168.02 1171.13 In the top , it's the number of c yeah . 1168.6 1171.13 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1169.616 1171.248 1169.94 1171.2 Oh , right , okay . 1170.28 1170.67 1171.2 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1172.294 1173.122 1172.39 1172.95 Thanks . 1172.95 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1174.64 1179.552 1174.66 1179.552 Yeah , and yeah , just a no , one reg v uh 1174.92 1176.41 1177.13 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1175.184 1176.32 1175.2 1176.28 So , would there be two ? 1175.34 1176.28 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1179.712 1180.368 1179.73 1180.28 One chip . 1180.28 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1180.624 1183.696 1180.64 1183.66 Yeah , one of them and one sample sensor and sample speaker . 1180.86 1183.66 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1183.343 1183.975 1183.43 1183.92 Okay . 1183.92 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1183.792 1184.416 1183.81 1184.37 Okay . 1184.37 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1187.616 1188.192 1187.64 1188.14 Yep . 1188.14 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1188.134 1191.531 1188.18 1191.46 And they're double curved . No . Y 1189.49 1190.84 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1190.909 1192.208 1190.93 1192.08 Single-curved . 1192.08 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1191.28 1192.325 1191.3 1192.11 One double curve . 1192.11 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1192.912 1194.48 1192.93 1194.43 Two , 'cause it's two . 1193.36 1194.43 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1193.552 1194.352 1193.71 1194.32 Two curves , yeah . 1194.16 1194.32 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1194.72 1198.1 1194.81 1197.69 But it has a slightly flattened bottom so it can sit . So it can rest . 1196.93 1197.69 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1197.28 1199.006 1197.3 1198.68 So what's a single curve then ? 1198.68 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1198.48 1202.576 1198.5 1202.576 Yeah , I'd say I'd say it was w yeah , I think I think it's 1198.71 1201.32 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1199.216 1202.944 1199.33 1202.83 It would just be a flat bottom with one curve . like a domed thing . 1201.68 1202.83 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1202.864 1204.382 1202.88 1204.382 So just one double - ES2004d A MEO015 0 1202.855 1203.974 1202.99 1203.67 Single-cu - ES2004d D FEE016 3 1204.322 1205.108 1204.42 1204.71 Mm . 1204.71 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1204.624 1205.872 1204.64 1205.74 One double-curved . 1205.74 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1205.456 1207.822 1205.48 1207.822 Yeah . Um 1207.04 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1205.984 1206.434 1205.984 1206.434 . 1206.434 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1206.912 1211.835 1206.93 1211.71 And one no , 'cause one yeah , one's double-curved , and then the other one's 1207.74 1209.19 1210.39 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1207.478 1208.688 1207.73 1208.65 Plastic and rubber . 1208.65 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1210.608 1214.64 1210.63 1214.24 The other curves at the sides , but it's slightly flattened at the bottom so it doesn't roll over . Yeah . 1211.65 1214.04 1214.24 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1213.824 1214.24 1213.85 1214.2 Mm . 1214.2 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1216.448 1220.4 1216.448 1220.35 Um we've got plastic and rubber , haven't we ? 1219.92 1220.35 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1217.744 1219.232 1217.76 1218.46 a plastic . 1218.46 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1220.56 1221.088 1220.58 1220.8 Yeah . 1220.8 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1221.008 1224.643 1221.03 1224.45 Yeah . Plastic one and maybe rubber point five . 1221.78 1224.45 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1222.606 1224.816 1223.18 1224.13 And special colour . 1224.13 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1223.761 1225.458 1223.761 1225.458 . 1225.458 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1227.536 1231.254 1227.56 1230.99 No I think rubber , since it's being used just as a casing , we can put point five . 1228.24 1229.87 1230.99 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1227.536 1228.176 1227.88 1228.176 Um - ES2004d C MEE014 2 1232.176 1233.088 1232.31 1233.05 Yeah . 1233.05 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1232.88 1233.36 1232.9 1233.29 Do you think ? 1233.29 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1233.472 1234.432 1233.49 1234.432 Yeah , because there are 1233.82 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1235.472 1239.062 1235.49 1238.94 I think it allows the point five , yeah . We can use that . 1237.24 1238.0 1238.94 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1239.099 1239.859 1239.12 1239.8 Yeah . 1239.8 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1239.296 1239.76 1239.32 1239.72 Okay . 1239.72 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1240.624 1242.528 1240.69 1242.47 What does it mean if you put point five for that ? 1242.47 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1242.496 1245.6 1242.52 1245.36 It means we are not using a lot of rubber actually . We're using just 1244.6 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1244.816 1246.48 1244.84 1246.48 It would be like saying we're using - ES2004d A MEO015 0 1246.768 1249.68 1246.79 1249.56 a very low quantity of rubber compared to plastic . 1249.56 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1250.48 1252.656 1250.74 1252.62 See , it says case material . 1250.92 1252.62 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1253.376 1253.824 1253.4 1253.76 Mm-hmm . 1253.76 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1253.84 1260.112 1253.86 1260.08 So we're not actually using plastic in the case , are we ? It's including , it's including . 1257.27 1258.43 1259.3 1260.08 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1257.12 1259.372 1257.14 1259.31 No , no , that's it's as an extra . 1257.44 1257.69 1259.31 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1259.44 1261.056 1259.48 1260.93 Right , okay . 1260.42 1260.93 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1260.224 1266.864 1260.45 1266.79 So that shouldn't that shouldn't be actually on there , because that's not incorporated in the cost of the remote you get . 1263.15 1266.79 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1267.264 1276.8 1267.28 1276.76 But it is gonna be part of the total cost , and there's nowhere else we can we can put that in , is there ? There's nowhere else we can code for the the rubber used in the casing . So do we not have to account for it in the cost somewhere there ? 1268.71 1270.9 1271.72 1274.85 1276.76 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1278.352 1281.28 1278.4 1281.24 Okay , we'll just put it in as we'll put in as half . 1279.08 1281.24 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1280.978 1281.616 1281.25 1281.47 Okay . 1281.47 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1283.472 1286.4 1283.57 1286.37 Or sh we should just put it in as one , because the plastic is zero anyway . 1284.84 1286.37 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1286.32 1287.696 1286.34 1287.64 Yeah , okay . 1287.06 1287.64 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1286.511 1287.015 1286.7 1286.94 Mm . 1286.94 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1289.344 1294.193 1289.38 1293.94 No , we don't step on anyone's toes . Okay , special colour , do we need that ? 1289.49 1292.2 1292.5 1293.3 1293.94 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1294.304 1299.504 1294.34 1299.35 Might do , if we go for some of the more exotic aubergines and such like colours . 1295.24 1299.35 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1296.4 1297.969 1296.43 1297.35 N yeah , okay . 1296.85 1297.35 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1300.336 1301.568 1300.336 1301.53 Interface . 1301.53 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1302.096 1302.768 1302.12 1302.72 Push-button . 1302.72 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1303.995 1308.4 1304.21 1308.25 Yeah , the push-button's one and L_C_ display one . 1304.5 1308.25 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1304.923 1305.403 1304.99 1305.32 One . 1305.32 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1306.834 1307.472 1306.94 1307.42 An - ES2004d A MEO015 0 1309.6 1310.112 1309.63 1310.08 One . 1310.08 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1310.88 1312.278 1311.34 1312.278 And buttons - ES2004d B FEE013 1 1311.764 1312.183 1311.8 1312.183 Buttons - ES2004d D FEE016 3 1370.592 1370.9 1370.74 1370.87 S - ES2004d A MEO015 0 1371.748 1376.249 1371.748 1375.94 I think we could change the battery also . Instead of going for kinetic how about going for a standard battery . 1373.58 1375.94 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1377.328 1383.988 1377.35 1383.83 Has that not made any d if you click off that square now , has that not made any difference ? Is it oh , it's brought it slightly down . 1379.39 1382.24 1382.43 1383.83 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1381.94 1383.332 1382.03 1383.12 Well yes . 1383.12 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1381.778 1386.836 1382.35 1386.73 Has that not gone up ? Oh no , it was seven five it's changed not a lot . 1383.15 1383.38 1386.73 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1386.24 1391.406 1386.26 1391.26 So is is uncurved completely and just actually making the rubber case the curved thing , is that going to make a difference ? 1389.93 1391.26 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1389.5 1390.352 1390.02 1390.32 Yeah . 1390.32 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1391.552 1392.793 1391.61 1392.63 Uncurved , flat . 1392.15 1392.63 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1395.584 1398.624 1395.63 1398.59 Oh , it's not made any difference , has it? . It's gone up again . 1395.68 1396.59 1397.85 1398.59 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1397.488 1398.579 1397.52 1398.579 No , we'll have 1397.9 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1397.709 1399.758 1397.89 1399.6 No , it just surprises one . 1398.28 1399.6 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1398.608 1400.651 1398.63 1400.57 Oh , it's not calculated it . 1398.69 1400.57 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1399.36 1402.256 1399.38 1402.07 No , no , you've got to click off to calculate it again . 1399.57 1399.76 1402.07 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1399.879 1400.432 1400.02 1400.28 Oh . 1400.28 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1402.784 1403.584 1402.8 1403.55 Okay , there we go . 1403.13 1403.55 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1403.467 1405.104 1403.467 1405.07 It's brought it down slightly . 1405.07 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1404.345 1406.448 1404.345 1406.39 It's not a lot though . 1406.39 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1404.472 1420.96 1405.18 1420.12 C it might uh you might you might be assuming that that is in Euros . It could be in Dollars . And then it would be fine , because the exchange range would make it about twelve . No . 1410.65 1412.79 1413.95 1419.27 1420.12 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1405.422 1407.516 1405.422 1407.516 . 1407.516 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1415.679 1417.965 1415.679 1417.6 I don't think so . 1417.6 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1416.336 1417.734 1416.36 1417.734 Is there anything on the menu - ES2004d B FEE013 1 1416.064 1419.569 1416.42 1419.569 We haven't been dealin we haven't been dealing with dollars though , I think 1419.0 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1418.56 1419.088 1418.58 1418.85 No . 1418.85 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1419.856 1421.34 1419.89 1421.14 Ri I think it's in Euro . 1421.14 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1421.104 1424.032 1421.12 1424.0 Okay , so the highest we've got is the electronics here . 1421.43 1424.0 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1425.392 1426.048 1425.41 1426.01 Um - ES2004d B FEE013 1 1427.236 1429.488 1427.236 1429.45 and the interface . 1429.45 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1427.408 1428.832 1427.47 1428.8 If we tr um . 1428.8 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1429.856 1436.731 1429.88 1436.45 If we moved away from our much loved idea of a kinetic battery and just went with the standard batteries , would that make a huge difference ? 1435.23 1436.45 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1433.712 1435.253 1433.73 1435.11 And going to a regular bat - ES2004d C MEE014 2 1436.416 1443.248 1436.48 1443.248 Yeah , the standard , it um it would make one difference . The biggest one would be taking away if you took away 1436.74 1437.33 1440.16 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1436.746 1437.233 1436.81 1437.0 Yeah . 1437.0 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1443.76 1452.569 1444.22 1452.09 What I feel is , customers never said anything about the battery . It's internal , nobody looks into the battery . But shape and colours , that's something we shouldn't comprimi 1444.7 1446.89 1447.53 1449.39 1450.73 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1445.36 1445.824 1445.43 1445.79 If you to - ES2004d C MEE014 2 1448.528 1448.96 1448.55 1448.92 Yeah . 1448.92 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1450.272 1455.334 1450.29 1455.09 And people are used to buying batteries , they're not gonna say I'm not getting this , 'cause I've got to buy a battery for a remote control . 1451.82 1453.12 1455.09 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1450.775 1457.216 1450.99 1457.18 If if you take away the voice , I I do I don't like to say it , but if you take away the voice recognition , then you've got it . 1452.91 1454.44 1456.61 1457.18 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1458.608 1460.256 1458.66 1460.22 Where's that special form ? 1460.22 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1461.296 1463.318 1461.33 1463.05 Mm mm mm . 1463.05 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1461.584 1463.466 1461.66 1463.38 Should we see what difference it makes ? 1463.38 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1462.944 1463.536 1462.96 1463.49 Where's the - ES2004d C MEE014 2 1462.48 1472.176 1463.47 1472.06 Yeah i yeah . No 'cause it's samples sens sample speaker . If you took away that , that'll make it twelve point three five . 1464.18 1468.69 1469.99 1472.06 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1464.343 1465.712 1464.44 1465.67 where's the voice recognition ? 1465.67 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1464.48 1464.974 1464.5 1464.974 Um - ES2004d B FEE013 1 1468.624 1469.6 1468.64 1469.56 Right , okay . 1469.09 1469.56 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1472.096 1476.448 1472.12 1476.41 Well the kinetic is three . If we change it to the battery it's that's minus three . 1473.61 1476.41 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1475.376 1480.272 1475.4 1480.15 They n n yeah , but you p minus three plus two . 1477.78 1480.15 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1480.208 1482.659 1480.23 1482.41 Oh , right . I keep seeing zero . 1480.45 1480.79 1482.41 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1483.376 1484.32 1483.56 1484.32 Um - ES2004d B FEE013 1 1488.688 1502.304 1488.688 1502.18 We can do it some other way , we can do it doesn't have to be voice recognition . We could do the voice recognition for , you know , business class or something , you know , like an upgraded version . You could choose to have that or not . 1490.95 1493.09 1495.58 1496.44 1497.65 1497.97 1500.37 1502.18 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1497.712 1498.032 1497.73 1498.0 Yeah . 1498.0 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1499.744 1511.456 1499.76 1511.32 Yeah . But they but I mean in I don't see why we have to sell it for twenty five Euros now , because they w they were saying they were quite willing to pay more for better product . 1501.54 1507.6 1511.32 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1499.639 1500.32 1499.95 1500.28 Sure . 1500.28 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1499.912 1500.788 1500.31 1500.59 Mm-hmm . 1500.59 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1511.664 1514.684 1511.8 1514.59 But we're still working to um head o - ES2004d B FEE013 1 1513.046 1516.853 1513.26 1516.853 So should we just change the design specification then ? 1516.59 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1515.582 1517.68 1515.582 1517.53 Make it costly . 1517.53 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1515.664 1544.912 1515.68 1544.912 We can put in our recommendations . If we if we're working to head office specifications as this is what this project team's working for , we can put in our recommendations for what we've we've found and what we the consensus that we've come to as a result of the meetings . But we need to work to that specification to start with . And I think the voice recognition sounds wonderful , but our object is so distinctive that that in itself is gonna make it easier to locate as a f you know in a first instance . Um as you say , we can offer the voice recognition initially to business class customers and so 1517.1 1521.86 1527.56 1530.37 1533.09 1539.81 1541.21 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1517.888 1518.389 1517.91 1518.33 Yes . 1518.33 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1522.048 1522.564 1522.07 1522.46 Yeah . 1522.46 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1526.655 1527.333 1526.76 1527.14 Mm-hmm . 1527.14 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1526.816 1528.64 1526.84 1528.56 We c we could s - ES2004d C MEE014 2 1530.032 1531.28 1530.05 1531.28 Yeah , we could say 1530.39 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1530.004 1530.578 1530.07 1530.52 Mm-hmm . 1530.52 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1544.912 1546.096 1544.93 1546.05 Okay , we can 1545.39 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1546.864 1548.832 1547.13 1547.72 Yeah , I s 1547.39 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1547.456 1564.672 1547.48 1564.672 make the price fit , and then say if we'd had our budget , we would've had this , because it also sets it apart from the crowd . They like their gadgets , they like something that's completely different . It's s something completely different associated with your company . Right , okay , so 1548.95 1551.96 1553.52 1556.25 1557.54 1560.26 1563.47 1563.79 1564.2 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1549.952 1552.032 1549.97 1552.032 And then say we recommend - ES2004d D FEE016 3 1552.048 1552.496 1552.07 1552.46 Mm . 1552.46 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1553.328 1553.648 1553.35 1553.61 Yeah . 1553.61 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1553.294 1553.933 1553.38 1553.63 Yeah . 1553.63 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1554.976 1558.066 1555.06 1557.99 'Cause we've done all the background work to go for that if they want it . 1557.99 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1559.536 1560.336 1559.56 1559.83 Yeah . 1559.83 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1560.112 1561.056 1560.27 1560.84 Yeah . 1560.84 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1565.376 1567.968 1565.4 1567.968 So if we take voice recognition out - ES2004d C MEE014 2 1567.92 1576.912 1567.94 1576.88 That'll do it . Twelve point three five . Is it twelve point fif was it twelve point fifty ? 1570.6 1573.89 1576.88 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1572.141 1573.879 1572.23 1573.5 Yeah we are close to the budget . 1573.5 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1572.58 1573.409 1572.58 1573.21 we are . 1573.21 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1574.992 1575.951 1575.01 1575.89 Two five . 1575.89 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1575.017 1579.104 1575.05 1579.07 It's two point five . No , it's twelve point two five . 1577.21 1577.39 1579.07 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1579.808 1582.64 1579.89 1582.61 Are you sure ? Sorry , not meaning to doubt your words there . 1580.71 1581.08 1582.61 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1581.695 1584.932 1581.9 1584.82 Yeah well two , twelve point two five times two is 1583.25 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1586.176 1589.696 1586.28 1589.64 Right . Are they really going to quibble about ten P_ ? 1587.47 1589.64 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1586.672 1588.412 1586.69 1588.15 twenty five , isn't it ? 1587.79 1588.15 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1587.566 1589.739 1588.0 1589.33 It's twelve point five maybe , then . 1589.13 1589.33 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1591.408 1595.712 1591.45 1595.66 Or point zero one of a Euro ? Which is less than ten P_ . 1594.56 1595.66 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1601.424 1606.474 1601.5 1606.474 I don't know what it said fifty percent of the cost . So half of the price would be 1604.73 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1604.636 1608.768 1604.636 1608.67 I think the agenda one was where the um price was , wasn't it ? No . 1608.0 1608.41 1608.67 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1612.779 1614.248 1612.95 1613.88 I think it is the first one . 1613.88 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1614.512 1615.472 1614.53 1615.34 That's today's - ES2004d D FEE016 3 1618.994 1621.019 1619.4 1620.69 kick off meeting , . 1620.69 1620.69 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1622.506 1623.548 1622.62 1623.38 Twelve point five . 1623.38 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1623.664 1626.268 1623.7 1626.18 Mm . I thought that's what it was . 1625.01 1626.18 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1624.046 1625.19 1624.27 1625.13 Ah . 1625.13 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1624.561 1626.372 1624.72 1626.1 So we are under the budget . 1626.1 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1626.432 1627.232 1626.45 1627.2 Well done , people . 1626.82 1627.2 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1627.888 1628.768 1627.91 1628.73 So we're okay . 1628.73 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1630.224 1632.224 1630.55 1632.17 Okay . 1632.17 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1630.763 1637.312 1630.89 1637.26 So is that uh got us covered for the electronics then ? We don't need something else to take that place ? Okay . 1634.18 1636.8 1637.26 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1634.496 1634.974 1634.52 1634.81 Yeah . 1634.81 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1636.16 1642.608 1636.26 1642.24 No . 'Cause that that was just a bought-on extra , you could just take that out 1637.76 1640.79 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1643.616 1646.016 1643.77 1645.35 and that would be fine , yeah . 1645.19 1645.35 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1644.706 1645.621 1644.706 1645.48 Okay . 1645.48 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1652.865 1653.966 1653.17 1653.75 Seems fine . 1653.75 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1654.072 1656.752 1655.05 1655.98 Yeah , I think that's brilliant . 1655.25 1655.98 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1655.776 1658.07 1655.8 1658.07 Except voice recognition , everything is 1656.78 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1657.312 1659.32 1657.33 1659.21 Right , so we've done that . 1657.76 1659.21 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1662.0 1665.904 1662.03 1665.61 Okay . Product evaluation . 1663.72 1665.61 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1666.896 1675.776 1666.92 1675.74 We've done room for creativity , haven't we ? Because we've got decisions that we would have made that we weren't didn't feel able to make . Um 1668.56 1669.48 1675.13 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1668.915 1670.162 1669.25 1669.56 Yeah . 1669.56 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1669.596 1670.241 1669.66 1669.97 Yeah . 1669.97 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1677.328 1680.0 1677.48 1679.97 I presume we discussed leadership and teamwork . 1679.97 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1680.144 1680.934 1680.41 1680.67 Mm-hmm . 1680.67 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1683.419 1685.424 1683.69 1685.424 Yes . 1685.23 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1684.24 1684.746 1684.26 1684.48 Yeah . 1684.48 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1685.344 1687.6 1685.36 1687.36 um in the sense that - ES2004d B FEE013 1 1689.056 1698.096 1689.15 1698.06 um did you feel like a team ? Or did you feel like uh autonomy ? 1691.88 1698.06 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1694.696 1696.624 1695.04 1696.24 Yeah , I'd say , as a team . 1695.32 1695.72 1696.24 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1696.544 1712.416 1696.56 1712.38 Although we had our separate tasks , there was so much interaction , so much that we needed to um bounce off each other . And I've certainly felt heard , listened to in that in relevant areas we've been able to , you know , give and take and adjust our remit where necessary . 1698.29 1699.52 1703.15 1704.72 1708.95 1709.2 1712.38 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1697.008 1698.24 1697.03 1698.21 I think we had a nice time . 1698.21 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1698.39 1698.914 1698.48 1698.85 Yeah . 1698.85 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1701.151 1703.216 1701.17 1703.07 Find out from each other , yeah . 1702.31 1703.07 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1711.28 1711.68 1711.3 1711.6 Yeah . 1711.6 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1711.552 1712.35 1711.58 1711.97 Mm-hmm . 1711.97 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1713.264 1725.813 1713.31 1725.57 Yeah , I think there was uh very constructive feedback by everybody . It's not like people trying to cut each other . There is more of uh true cohesive teamwork . We came to a very predic creative design , yeah . 1713.43 1717.14 1720.27 1722.18 1725.37 1725.57 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1726.704 1727.616 1726.72 1727.616 Yeah , and uh 1726.99 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1728.896 1731.408 1728.92 1731.37 Yeah , I think . And Sarah , you coordinated the work very well . 1729.2 1729.64 1730.15 1731.37 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1731.824 1734.608 1731.84 1734.46 Thank you . How did you find it ? 1732.96 1734.46 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1734.266 1768.048 1734.64 1767.99 Yeah , no , I thought it it went really well and I yeah , I I feel that everyone was listened to and all the points that were raised seem to have been sorted out , although we didn't quite make the voice recognition in there , but that's that's good . I think it would have made it into the final product if it was actually if if if we'd seen the marketing before the initial specification was put out , I think maybe it would've come out a d little different , but yeah . 1734.87 1735.27 1739.55 1748.93 1751.58 1753.66 1762.75 1766.87 1767.99 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1753.152 1753.664 1753.18 1753.63 Yeah . 1753.63 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1766.944 1788.96 1766.96 1788.9 Yeah . I liked the fact that we could say an idea and it'd be suggested that that wasn't the best idea , but no one felt like shot down , you know , y it didn't matter it saying what you thought , because if it wasn't something that was that relevant , then it didn't matter , 'cause it was just another idea in the field . I like that . Um 1768.32 1775.94 1778.69 1778.98 1780.9 1783.99 1784.86 1786.69 1788.28 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1778.0 1778.4 1778.02 1778.37 Yeah . 1778.37 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1778.384 1778.903 1778.4 1778.8 Yeah . 1778.8 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1786.351 1787.162 1786.58 1786.94 Mm . 1786.94 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1787.296 1787.672 1787.34 1787.63 Yeah . 1787.63 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1790.0 1794.896 1790.08 1794.86 teamwork . Well you two created that wonderful specimen of a Play-Doh model . 1790.6 1794.86 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1794.976 1796.096 1795.18 1796.01 Yeah , well . 1795.69 1796.01 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1795.612 1799.2 1795.96 1799.2 I think that was the best part of the - ES2004d B FEE013 1 1795.936 1806.0 1795.96 1806.0 Um uh I'm still not caught up . But that's nothing to do with the teamwork at all . Um 1802.5 1805.51 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1806.752 1814.496 1806.77 1814.19 Maybe we should think of branching out into children's toys and fake mobile phones as a side line . And fake R_C_s . 1812.83 1814.19 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1809.984 1810.78 1810.0 1810.65 Maybe . 1810.65 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1812.957 1813.704 1813.16 1813.39 'Kay . 1813.39 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1814.416 1821.69 1814.44 1821.33 No , that was quite fun . Um means , whiteboard , digital pens , etcetera , what does that mean ? Any ideas ? 1814.56 1815.97 1817.14 1817.65 1818.4 1818.84 1820.55 1821.33 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1820.256 1823.409 1820.256 1823.33 Discuss which ones yeah . 1823.33 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1819.664 1825.536 1820.59 1825.5 How do we evaluate the materials we had for communicating and sharing information ? 1825.5 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1825.568 1826.305 1825.79 1826.1 Yeah . 1826.1 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1826.88 1828.976 1826.9 1828.72 Could it've been better , was it adequate ? 1827.83 1828.72 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1828.976 1835.088 1829.63 1835.03 Yeah , I think I think we probably woulda used the outer email system more , had we actually 1829.89 1833.76 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1835.398 1836.679 1835.62 1836.679 Had time to kind of - ES2004d D FEE016 3 1836.496 1837.216 1836.52 1837.14 Mm . 1837.14 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1837.008 1842.093 1837.06 1841.83 had had more time and if we'd been separated more . 1841.83 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1841.488 1849.904 1841.51 1849.84 Yeah , 'cause we could just sort of say , sorry what did you say about that or what do you think about that , rather than having to email it , yeah . But it was nice having it there . 1841.92 1843.5 1846.14 1847.3 1848.42 1849.84 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1843.216 1843.552 1843.24 1843.52 Yeah . 1843.52 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1845.824 1846.208 1845.84 1846.17 Yeah . 1846.17 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1847.36 1847.92 1847.38 1847.86 Yeah . 1847.86 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1847.888 1848.336 1847.92 1848.29 Yeah . 1848.29 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1850.944 1853.536 1851.03 1853.5 Um like the whole picture of the thing . 1853.5 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1854.048 1862.704 1854.16 1862.63 Yeah , moving around the room . But I think it's good , like uh we spent times individually . 1855.16 1857.17 1857.97 1862.63 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1856.529 1857.235 1856.75 1857.08 Yeah . 1857.08 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1894.72 1897.529 1894.74 1897.43 I never thought of a remote control with a flip top . 1897.43 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1899.856 1902.966 1899.96 1902.966 Yeah , I think it's new ideas in general , rather than 1900.14 1901.78 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1900.832 1909.264 1900.85 1909.22 It's really borrowing from other areas , it's , you know , bringing things from other areas in , it so it's I mean nothing is new , but it's applying it to a d in a different area . 1902.58 1902.86 1903.34 1904.83 1907.18 1909.22 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1901.793 1902.434 1901.99 1902.3 Yeah . 1902.3 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1906.944 1907.519 1906.99 1907.39 Mm . 1907.39 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1909.248 1910.224 1909.27 1910.17 Vegetables . 1910.17 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1910.208 1912.112 1910.208 1912.04 That's mine . 1912.04 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1912.112 1913.007 1912.25 1912.7 Yeah . 1912.7 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1915.728 1919.111 1915.75 1918.88 Yeah , no . Well they have to come from somewhere , don't they ? 1916.02 1917.09 1918.31 1918.88 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1916.624 1917.39 1916.64 1917.39 Yeah , it's 1916.75 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1918.288 1919.472 1918.31 1919.44 Absolutely , yeah . 1919.01 1919.44 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1920.016 1920.791 1920.04 1920.791 The thing is - ES2004d B FEE013 1 1920.176 1942.471 1920.2 1942.16 And as sh as w sorry , you go . Um as was shown by your presentation with all of the other controls , remote controls , no one's thought about it particularly . I mean they're slightly different , so if someone's been shut in the room and said make ours a bit different from everyone else's , 'cause it's w something we should think about , but obviously no one's put any great deal of thought into it . 1921.63 1922.99 1928.18 1928.75 1931.97 1933.08 1936.78 1939.15 1942.16 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1921.728 1922.624 1921.75 1922.51 Yep , sorry , go on Sarah . 1921.92 1922.18 1922.51 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1930.289 1931.066 1930.56 1930.94 No . 1930.94 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1930.928 1931.312 1930.95 1931.27 Mm-hmm . 1931.27 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1937.472 1937.952 1937.5 1937.92 Mm-hmm . 1937.92 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1939.726 1962.8 1939.726 1962.77 Yeah , I do I don't think the the companies are really concerned . They're just like we've got a D_V_D_ player , does anyone remember the remote control ? Can't you get the one that we used for the last one ? Yeah , just jazz it up a bit . Uh d they don't really think about it , because normally , the remote control isn't the product which they're trying to ship . They're trying to ship the D_V_D_ player , the video player , the T_V_ . 1940.9 1944.51 1947.36 1949.29 1952.22 1952.45 1954.47 1955.82 1957.0 1959.53 1961.14 1962.11 1962.77 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1952.4 1952.72 1952.42 1952.62 Yeah . 1952.62 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1953.856 1954.272 1953.89 1954.23 Mm . 1954.23 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1954.474 1955.358 1954.5 1955.26 Yeah . 1955.26 ES2004d D FEE016 3 1960.048 1962.463 1960.07 1962.02 Yeah , the focus isn't on to that , yeah . 1960.36 1961.74 1962.02 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1961.744 1995.721 1961.76 1995.56 But then when it everything is really smart , and you've just got this big chunk of black thing sitting on your coffee table , it doesn't go , I mean if you could have something that's a proper funky thing , a funky item that's individual , individual to you , I mean they could even go into um you go in with an idea and they design it on Photoshop and then they just get it printed on the plastic , you would pray you would pay a lot extra , because it's individually being a plastic was being made for you . But people could have anything that they wanted . 1965.09 1968.67 1969.84 1973.87 1975.87 1977.13 1984.94 1986.67 1992.06 1995.56 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1964.608 1965.168 1964.63 1964.92 Yeah . 1964.92 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1967.104 1967.472 1967.13 1967.44 Yeah . 1967.44 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1969.984 1970.752 1970.05 1970.65 No . 1970.65 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1972.8 1973.296 1972.82 1973.2 Yeah . 1973.2 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1984.656 1985.136 1984.68 1985.01 Yeah . 1985.01 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1991.36 1992.096 1991.38 1991.9 Yeah . 1991.9 ES2004d C MEE014 2 1995.297 1996.083 1995.45 1995.9 Mm . 1995.9 ES2004d A MEO015 0 1996.784 2013.027 1996.81 2013.027 Surprising to me is like uh people give a lot of attention to modifying mobile phones , like a real want to see a new launch or something like that . And new f television products coming up , but nobody giving uh much idea to this . Like Sarah was telling , everything's 2002.15 2006.13 2008.41 2011.18 2011.85 ES2004d B FEE013 1 1997.104 1998.048 1997.12 1997.92 Because of the produ - ES2004d B FEE013 1 2001.968 2002.336 2002.0 2002.3 Mm . 2002.3 ES2004d C MEE014 2 2005.584 2006.144 2005.7 2006.06 Yeah . 2006.06 ES2004d D FEE016 3 2010.752 2039.648 2011.08 2039.61 I think it's really good that this has been very market research based , because just going back to mobile phones , I mean this is the first change in remote control devices that I can really , you know , say is is obvious and visible . We see it in mobile phones a lot , and tha that's where we've borrowed a lot of our ide our ideas from . There are innovations in that that people don't really want . I see people wanting a model of the phone they were really happy with , and they can't get it anymore and it's innovation for innovation's sake , and I think it's wonderful our company's so R_ and D_ based . 2015.89 2018.17 2021.37 2021.67 2024.07 2025.61 2028.51 2031.37 2033.78 2036.87 2039.61 ES2004d A MEO015 0 2015.597 2016.22 2015.69 2015.97 Right . 2015.97 ES2004d B FEE013 1 2031.152 2031.967 2031.17 2031.83 Yes . 2031.83 ES2004d C MEE014 2 2031.057 2031.891 2031.37 2031.77 Yeah . 2031.77 ES2004d B FEE013 1 2034.495 2035.201 2034.61 2035.07 Yeah . 2035.07 ES2004d B FEE013 1 2039.712 2046.032 2039.73 2045.99 Well , it's innovation for money's sake . The the people have to keep buying . Yeah . 2040.0 2043.08 2045.44 2045.99 ES2004d A MEO015 0 2039.889 2040.649 2040.11 2040.54 Mm-hmm . 2040.54 ES2004d D FEE016 3 2042.384 2048.973 2042.384 2048.92 Yeah . But forcing it onto people , yeah . It's things that , you know , they might want to buy the thing they really want . 2044.21 2045.53 2045.79 2046.42 2046.63 2048.92 ES2004d B FEE013 1 2047.942 2056.464 2048.06 2056.43 And you can't get you've got your handset that works fine , but you can't get the battery anymore for that type of phone , because the phones have moved on , things like that . Yes . 2050.3 2052.9 2054.15 2055.82 2056.43 ES2004d D FEE016 3 2051.792 2053.248 2051.83 2053.21 Mm . Mm . 2052.79 2053.21 ES2004d D FEE016 3 2054.496 2056.656 2054.57 2056.62 Or there isn't a cover to fit it or whatever , yeah . 2056.26 2056.62 ES2004d B FEE013 1 2057.76 2059.584 2057.78 2059.584 It's madness . Um 2059.04 ES2004d D FEE016 3 2058.884 2059.832 2059.06 2059.832 See I think - ES2004d B FEE013 1 2062.224 2063.616 2062.24 2063.616 In closing - ES2004d B FEE013 1 2064.51 2077.552 2064.6 2077.52 There we go . Um our costs are below budget with recommendations that they the budget be increased , but I think I don't know , d what do you think ? Do you think that's takes into account um 2066.19 2072.99 2074.47 2075.14 ES2004d B FEE013 1 2079.952 2080.744 2079.97 2080.71 overheads - ES2004d B FEE013 1 2081.536 2090.042 2081.56 2089.83 like us being well paid kind of a thing ? And the heating for the building , do you think our budget includes everything , all the costs that are going out ? 2084.72 2086.56 2088.57 2089.83 ES2004d C MEE014 2 2085.552 2086.198 2085.81 2086.12 Well . 2086.12 ES2004d D FEE016 3 2089.584 2093.024 2089.6 2092.97 I think it was just the produc uh just the production cost of the phone . 2092.97 ES2004d C MEE014 2 2091.152 2093.76 2091.18 2093.27 I think that was just the the physical . 2093.27 ES2004d B FEE013 1 2093.1 2108.811 2093.12 2108.811 So it looks well it looks like it's gonna be fifty percent profit , you've still got all of the overheads to come out of that . So maybe increasing it , you would also have to increase the price that it's sold at . But I think but you were saying that that's quite 2096.61 2099.95 2102.47 2106.24 ES2004d C MEE014 2 2096.64 2097.008 2096.66 2096.97 Yeah . 2096.97 ES2004d D FEE016 3 2097.075 2097.775 2097.24 2097.71 Mm-hmm . 2097.71 ES2004d C MEE014 2 2099.71 2100.462 2099.96 2100.23 Yeah . 2100.23 ES2004d A MEO015 0 2105.568 2107.135 2105.59 2107.07 Maybe fifty percent more . 2107.07 ES2004d C MEE014 2 2105.615 2111.344 2105.88 2110.64 Yeah , I think yeah I don't from the market research . 2106.13 2110.64 ES2004d D FEE016 3 2108.414 2122.48 2108.55 2122.45 But I think in the remit that we were given , it was very specific . I think we've done what we were required to do , and I think there'll have to be another project team or a new project for us to look at at those kind of things . I don't think that's something we have to look at and find a way of raising the cash for . 2110.16 2111.2 2112.7 2117.81 2122.45 ES2004d B FEE013 1 2112.401 2113.277 2112.64 2113.1 Hmm . 2113.1 ES2004d B FEE013 1 2120.576 2120.912 2120.6 2120.88 Yeah . 2120.88 ES2004d C MEE014 2 2120.832 2121.316 2120.85 2121.24 No . 2121.24 ES2004d C MEE014 2 2123.248 2124.448 2123.27 2124.448 Yeah , it was 2123.81 ES2004d D FEE016 3 2123.757 2131.674 2123.99 2131.52 I think we've done very well to get within budget and it still makes such an innovative item that I think people are really gonna want . 2131.52 ES2004d B FEE013 1 2126.016 2126.4 2126.04 2126.37 Mm . 2126.37 ES2004d B FEE013 1 2129.488 2130.08 2129.56 2130.04 Yeah . 2130.04 ES2004d A MEO015 0 2132.352 2133.156 2132.53 2132.96 Yeah . 2132.96 ES2004d B FEE013 1 2133.152 2139.872 2133.17 2139.84 It's a shame it won't ever get made . Maybe it will . Maybe someone'll r run down and patent it . 2136.46 2137.44 2139.84 ES2004d D FEE016 3 2134.752 2140.483 2134.77 2140.483 I know . Maybe it will . Maybe they are gonna steal our ideas and sell it . 2136.49 2136.93 2140.36 ES2004d A MEO015 0 2136.248 2137.555 2136.65 2137.2 Who knows ? 2137.2 ES2004d C MEE014 2 2138.083 2143.898 2138.21 2143.76 I it's top secret . Um it's it is it's a conspiracy going on here . That's what it is . 2139.94 2142.79 2143.76 ES2004d B FEE013 1 2142.688 2164.704 2142.71 2164.5 Um the project has been evaluated well and truly . Um and we've got the meeting survey and questionnaire . Oh , so we've got about fifty minutes to catch up with everything that I fell behind with , so I'll be delegating in my um role as Project Supervisor , so good luck . 2147.36 2152.14 2152.25 2158.9 2163.73 2164.5 ES2004d A MEO015 0 2146.42 2147.018 2146.44 2146.76 Yeah . 2146.76 ES2004d D FEE016 3 2146.822 2147.506 2146.93 2147.39 Mm-hmm . 2147.39 ES2004d A MEO015 0 2151.303 2152.84 2151.4 2152.34 There's a final questionnaire . 2152.34 ES2004d C MEE014 2 2160.256 2163.76 2160.256 2163.76 In your yeah . 2163.67 ES2004d A MEO015 0 2167.488 2169.62 2167.51 2169.49 Celebration , you didn't talk about that . 2168.11 2169.49 ES2004d B FEE013 1 2169.52 2172.08 2169.54 2172.03 I think the celebration is the twenty five pounds . 2172.03 ES2004d B FEE013 1 2172.83 2174.672 2172.88 2174.64 Either that or we'll be dancing on the desks . 2174.64 ES2004d B FEE013 1 2176.555 2177.025 2176.68 2176.91 Oh . 2176.91 ES2004d D FEE016 3 2176.528 2178.326 2176.91 2177.77 Questionnaire . 2177.77 ES2004d C MEE014 2 2182.288 2184.62 2182.56 2184.23 Okay . Is that it then ? 2183.5 2184.23 ES2004d B FEE013 1 2184.768 2186.896 2184.79 2186.77 Um yeah , just the last , I think . 2185.65 2186.42 2186.77 ES2004d C MEE014 2 2191.058 2192.576 2191.23 2192.53 Awesome . 2192.53 ES2004d B FEE013 1 2191.812 2195.056 2191.812 2195.0 I think I've got minutes for two of the meeting and the - ES2004d B FEE013 1 2196.176 2197.088 2196.2 2197.03 last thingy . 2197.03 ES2004d D FEE016 3 2197.519 2199.736 2197.92 2199.58 Questionnaire done . 2199.58 ES2004d D FEE016 3 2200.673 2205.134 2200.84 2204.92 Oh , I didn't have to rate you on how much you influenced the meeting this time . 2200.92 2204.92 ES2004d C MEE014 2 2204.554 2208.848 2204.6 2208.81 Was that not the questionnaire for the how you felt you'd done in your - ES2004d C MEE014 2 2209.968 2210.288 2209.99 2210.17 thing ? 2210.17 ES2004d D FEE016 3 2210.452 2214.746 2210.77 2214.31 Oh , right . But do we not sometimes evaluate in these meetings too ? Yeah . 2210.89 2211.51 2213.79 2214.31 ES2004d C MEE014 2 2211.464 2219.84 2211.56 2219.2 I don't think . Yeah , the the s yeah . I think yeah , questionnaire seven was the one I did just before the meeting . 2213.47 2213.69 2215.43 2216.14 2219.2 ES2004d A MEO015 0 2219.984 2220.496 2220.03 2220.34 Yeah . 2220.34 ES2004d C MEE014 2 2221.12 2221.472 2221.15 2221.33 Mm . 2221.33 ES2004d B FEE013 1 2221.664 2222.288 2221.68 2222.25 I just got con - ES2005a C MEE017 2 0.0 9.088 0.08 9.088 Uh , making a profit of fifty million Euros . So , it's go gonna have to be be pretty damn trendy . 0.74 4.8 5.28 8.73 ES2005a A MEE018 0 0.668 1.887 0.75 1.61 Alright so twenty five . 1.61 ES2005a D FEE019 3 3.968 4.88 4.08 4.59 Mm 'kay . 4.59 ES2005a A MEE018 0 5.408 5.961 5.43 5.961 So yeah , I've 5.69 ES2005a A MEE018 0 6.639 16.06 6.79 16.06 The only the only remote controls I've used usually come with the television , and they're fairly basic . So uh 10.33 13.19 ES2005a C MEE017 2 10.944 12.324 10.96 12.09 Yeah . Yeah . 11.75 12.09 ES2005a D FEE019 3 11.28 11.723 11.3 11.57 Mm-hmm . 11.57 ES2005a C MEE017 2 13.76 25.152 13.78 24.97 Yeah , I was thinking that as well , I think the the only ones that I've seen that you buy are the sort of one for all type things where they're , yeah . So presumably that might be an idea to 14.0 14.9 21.45 22.49 ES2005a D FEE019 3 20.16 22.361 20.18 22.27 Yeah the universal ones . Yeah . 21.81 22.27 ES2005a A MEE018 0 21.696 22.321 21.72 22.14 Mm . 22.14 ES2005a A MEE018 0 25.52 31.536 25.54 31.5 But but to sell it for twenty five you need a lot of neat features . For sure . 30.29 31.5 ES2005a C MEE017 2 26.16 27.021 26.18 26.87 put into . 26.87 ES2005a B MEO020 1 26.64 27.357 26.66 27.16 Slim . 27.16 ES2005a D FEE019 3 30.368 30.832 30.47 30.8 Yeah . 30.8 ES2005a C MEE017 2 30.752 34.496 30.77 34.46 Yeah , yeah . Uh 'cause I mean , what uh twenty five Euros , that's about 31.49 31.86 32.71 33.99 ES2005a C MEE017 2 35.904 37.456 35.94 37.42 I dunno , fifteen Pounds or so ? 36.39 37.42 ES2005a D FEE019 3 38.336 39.802 38.36 39.47 Mm-hmm , it's about that . 38.84 39.47 ES2005a C MEE017 2 38.64 40.4 38.66 40.37 And that's quite a lot for a remote control . 40.37 ES2005a A MEE018 0 40.428 41.36 40.6 41.33 Yeah , yeah . 41.05 41.33 ES2005a D FEE019 3 40.64 71.849 40.66 71.7 Mm . Um well my first thoughts would be most remote controls are grey or black . As you said they come with the T_V_ so it's normally just your basic grey black remote control functions , so maybe we could think about colour ? Make that might make it a bit different from the rest at least . Um , and as you say , we need to have some kind of gimmick , so um I thought maybe something like if you lose it and you can whistle , you know those things ? 42.36 48.29 53.02 56.23 60.32 61.73 62.73 65.03 70.85 71.7 ES2005a C MEE017 2 51.168 51.536 51.19 51.5 Uh-huh . 51.5 ES2005a C MEE017 2 56.048 56.624 56.08 56.47 Mm-hmm . 56.47 ES2005a C MEE017 2 65.584 66.181 65.83 66.08 Okay . 66.08 ES2005a C MEE017 2 71.184 75.696 71.184 75.66 The the keyrings , yeah yeah . Okay , that's cool . 72.76 74.58 75.23 75.66 ES2005a D FEE019 3 72.288 74.176 72.31 74.14 Because we always lose our remote control . 74.14 ES2005a A MEE018 0 74.279 75.116 74.34 74.57 Right . 74.57 ES2005a B MEO020 1 74.368 106.713 74.368 106.66 Uh yeah uh , being as a Marketing Exper Expert I will like to say like before deciding the cost of this remote control or any other things we must see the market potential for this product like what is the competition in the market ? What are the available prices of the other remote controls in the prices ? What speciality other remote controls are having and how complicated it is to use these remote controls as compared to other remote controls available in the market . 78.85 91.91 95.75 106.66 ES2005a C MEE017 2 99.104 99.536 99.12 99.5 Okay . 99.5 ES2005a B MEO020 1 106.713 133.664 106.74 133.54 So before deciding or before finalising this project , we must discuss all these things , like and apart from this , it should be having a good look also , because people really li uh like to play with it when they are watching movies or playing with or playing with their C_D_ player , M_P_ three player like any electronic devices . They really want to have something good , having a good design in their hands , so , yes , all this . 110.22 112.94 115.38 117.55 124.72 127.61 129.16 131.62 132.65 133.04 133.54 ES2005a D FEE019 3 112.496 112.944 112.52 112.9 Okay . 112.9 ES2005a D FEE019 3 120.144 120.673 120.16 120.64 Mm . 120.64 ES2005a D FEE019 3 125.47 126.369 125.73 126.12 Mm-hmm . 126.12 ES2005a D FEE019 3 127.264 127.648 127.28 127.61 Mm-hmm . 127.61 ES2005a D FEE019 3 130.128 130.8 130.2 130.54 Yeah . 130.54 ES2005a C MEE017 2 130.533 131.275 130.88 131.07 Okay . 131.07 ES2005a C MEE017 2 132.247 132.841 132.27 132.34 'Kay . 132.34 ES2005a A MEE018 0 133.888 135.918 133.91 135.918 Uh , what do we think a 135.21 ES2005a C MEE017 2 134.112 136.268 134.13 136.268 So , we're looking for 135.14 ES2005a C MEE017 2 137.2 141.056 137.2 141.056 'Kay . We're 140.14 ES2005a A MEE018 0 139.872 142.768 139.89 142.768 What do we think a good size would be for this ? 142.72 ES2005a C MEE017 2 143.04 145.2 143.92 145.2 Sorry , carry on . 144.4 144.66 ES2005a A MEE018 0 144.27 155.392 144.4 155.392 'Cause I I know as you add more buttons to the remote it sometimes gets so big and clunky and there's just like a hundred buttons on it , or you could have a really small slim one but then you could lose it easily . 151.39 154.93 ES2005a D FEE019 3 148.921 149.699 148.99 149.58 Yeah . 149.58 ES2005a C MEE017 2 149.264 149.652 149.28 149.6 Mm-hmm . 149.6 ES2005a C MEE017 2 150.848 151.344 151.02 151.31 Mm-hmm . 151.31 ES2005a D FEE019 3 151.264 151.712 151.28 151.65 Yeah . 151.65 ES2005a D FEE019 3 154.064 163.632 154.08 163.632 Then you lose it , yeah . Kind of um , maybe more like a P_D_A_ kind of , just hand held , like , 'cause 154.84 155.89 158.55 160.26 161.3 162.77 ES2005a C MEE017 2 154.688 155.152 154.71 155.12 Okay . 155.12 ES2005a C MEE017 2 162.24 169.104 162.73 169.104 For for uh remember we're trying to make it for twelve Euros fifty . 168.98 ES2005a D FEE019 3 167.312 171.536 167.33 171.1 Yeah . No , I wasn't , no sorry I wasn't thinking of the screen of like a P_D_A_ but 168.0 168.36 168.8 ES2005a C MEE017 2 170.416 179.424 170.44 179.39 Okay well right we'll have to um I'll we're k having another meeting in half an hour so um we should all look into a bit - ES2005a D FEE019 3 175.888 176.304 175.91 176.26 Okay . 176.26 ES2005a C MEE017 2 180.432 198.4 180.51 198.37 uh , oh actually , no , we'll allocate . So you do the looking around at other remote controls . Um , if you could maybe come up with sort of shapes and suggested shades or whatever , and you could look into um 181.7 182.15 182.31 182.88 187.44 187.92 194.65 ES2005a B MEO020 1 186.592 187.504 186.61 187.33 Yeah . 187.33 ES2005a C MEE017 2 201.712 214.212 201.86 214.1 basically how how it's made I_E_ like how you make it all in one , how what sort of materials are available to you whatever . And obviously , other instructions will come from the personal coach . 206.28 210.53 211.3 214.1 ES2005a A MEE018 0 214.864 215.168 214.88 215.12 Right . 215.12 ES2005a C MEE017 2 215.216 217.824 215.63 217.824 Which will probably just usurp what I said so - ES2005a D FEE019 3 217.744 220.244 217.76 220.05 So you want me to look at shapes and everything you said ? Yep . 219.73 220.05 ES2005a C MEE017 2 219.312 224.016 219.33 223.95 Shapes and colours and um basically how to make it attractive . 223.95 ES2005a D FEE019 3 220.432 220.896 220.45 220.84 Okay . 220.84 ES2005a C MEE017 2 225.088 225.616 225.11 225.34 Uh . 225.34 ES2005a D FEE019 3 225.132 225.743 225.21 225.58 Mm-hmm . 225.58 ES2005a C MEE017 2 228.96 240.352 228.98 240.352 And you look at competition and design . Cool . So we have uh 234.55 237.31 ES2005a B MEO020 1 230.72 231.166 230.82 231.03 Yep . 231.03 ES2005a D FEE019 3 235.548 236.205 235.8 236.08 Okay . 236.08 ES2005a A MEE018 0 236.149 237.152 236.149 237.11 Okay . 237.11 ES2005a A MEE018 0 239.936 240.992 239.96 240.89 Wait for emails ? 240.89 ES2005a B MEO020 1 241.376 242.336 241.4 242.19 Uh . 242.19 ES2005a C MEE017 2 243.632 248.528 243.632 248.47 Um . 248.47 ES2005a A MEE018 0 255.086 256.066 255.4 256.03 Hmm . 256.03 ES2005a C MEE017 2 278.432 283.2 279.54 283.2 Okay , groovy . And no doubt we'll get um 279.89 281.9 ES2005a D FEE019 3 283.872 286.41 283.89 286.22 Oh no , . Sorry it's okay . 285.04 285.04 286.22 ES2005a C MEE017 2 285.047 301.808 285.14 301.44 Sorry . We'll get um warnings for next meetings as well . Okay . I shall I can't imagine these are worth much . Okay . 286.02 291.94 292.69 298.86 301.44 ES2005a D FEE019 3 289.888 290.656 289.91 290.62 Okay , cool . 290.37 290.62 ES2005a B MEO020 1 298.752 299.721 299.07 299.37 Hmm . 299.37 ES2005a C MEE017 2 302.149 306.608 302.71 306.4 Fashion into electronic . Okay . 305.73 306.4 ES2005b C MEE017 2 0.528 18.784 0.528 18.74 Um minutes from the last meeting which were essentially that we uh had decided on roles for each of you , however , um there are some changes that I've got from on high that um 12.09 13.54 ES2005b D FEE019 3 16.894 17.904 17.03 17.904 Okay . 17.73 ES2005b C MEE017 2 20.048 55.6 20.07 55.49 are a bit uh well w what I didn't actually realise it was that the uh this is for a specific television . So the all in one idea goes out the window . And they require that the uh actually I'll get to that at the end point number four , um we'll get what you've got and then we can see what we can adapt from it . So um , presentations , were you anybody got , raring to go ? Raring to go ? Okay . Good stuff . 29.1 31.33 40.18 45.31 46.88 48.17 51.1 52.16 52.93 53.88 55.49 ES2005b D FEE019 3 28.144 28.576 28.17 28.54 Okay . 28.54 ES2005b D FEE019 3 31.337 32.025 31.56 31.94 Mm-hmm . 31.94 ES2005b B MEO020 1 50.832 52.224 50.86 52.19 Yeah . Yeah . 51.99 52.19 ES2005b C MEE017 2 57.648 58.432 57.75 58.28 Mm . 58.28 ES2005b B MEO020 1 62.688 64.192 62.72 64.192 Um . So how 63.56 ES2005b C MEE017 2 63.386 71.824 63.47 71.824 Oh I need to plug you in . 71.59 ES2005b B MEO020 1 76.196 78.161 76.36 78.161 S - ES2005b D FEE019 3 76.366 79.456 76.47 79.456 Wow . 78.97 ES2005b C MEE017 2 76.395 79.124 76.68 78.01 Just about . 78.01 ES2005b A MEE018 0 78.144 80.902 78.16 80.77 It's a inspired design . 80.77 ES2005b B MEO020 1 84.32 85.568 84.35 85.52 Sh do you want me to hold it ? 85.52 ES2005b C MEE017 2 86.224 98.288 86.78 98.24 Uh there we go , just screw 'em on in . Gonna have to swap them round so now , it was function F_ eight . 87.52 89.19 96.19 98.24 ES2005b B MEO020 1 94.751 96.636 94.87 96.56 So , after that ? 95.87 96.56 ES2005b B MEO020 1 98.544 99.392 98.58 99.31 F_ eight . 99.31 ES2005b B MEO020 1 100.688 103.088 100.688 102.93 f oh sorry F_ eight . 102.93 ES2005b C MEE017 2 100.579 102.544 100.97 101.87 That's the wee blue one . 101.87 ES2005b C MEE017 2 103.712 104.512 103.83 104.48 Blue one F_ eight . 104.48 ES2005b C MEE017 2 105.952 109.088 106.71 109.05 Should do it , good one . 107.94 109.05 ES2005b B MEO020 1 106.72 107.088 106.74 107.05 Okay . 107.05 ES2005b B MEO020 1 110.076 110.624 110.31 110.59 Yeah . 110.59 ES2005b B MEO020 1 117.728 128.704 117.75 128.62 Yeah . Uh , me again , Rajan the Marketing Expert . Uh , as we have decided in the last meeting that I have to find out , sorry , yeah sure . 119.08 120.04 120.96 123.28 123.73 127.07 128.14 128.62 ES2005b C MEE017 2 126.4 128.096 127.14 128.0 Hold on , sorry . 127.52 128.0 ES2005b C MEE017 2 129.408 133.488 129.408 132.65 and if you just click that it'll go ahead , one at a time . 132.08 132.65 ES2005b B MEO020 1 132.032 137.623 132.1 137.32 Yeah , yeah . Uh actually , sorry I have to see the other , sorry . 132.66 133.41 134.46 136.86 137.32 ES2005b C MEE017 2 136.352 139.408 136.352 139.33 Sorry , uh . 139.24 139.33 ES2005b B MEO020 1 139.936 159.184 139.96 159.184 Yeah , thank you . Uh , yes , I have to look at the uh market potential for this product , uh , like consumer likings and everything , what is the potential for this product and are we able to achieve our a net profit or our aims or not ? Then 140.25 141.72 143.18 143.54 148.26 148.77 151.5 158.89 ES2005b C MEE017 2 161.104 163.408 161.18 163.35 P press F_ five to start it first . 163.35 ES2005b B MEO020 1 163.968 164.496 163.99 164.46 Sorry . 164.46 ES2005b B MEO020 1 164.959 189.243 164.98 188.87 Okay . Yeah , I can , okay . Uh then uh the methodology I adopted to find out all this was market survey . A a detailed market survey on consumers was done to find out their likings and dislikings , what they prefer what they not prefer , w what problems they do encounter in all this type of things . 165.62 166.22 167.79 169.56 178.0 183.67 185.38 188.87 ES2005b A MEE018 0 167.68 168.387 167.7 168.12 Hmm . 168.12 ES2005b C MEE017 2 168.958 169.648 168.958 169.53 Jesus . 169.53 ES2005b B MEO020 1 189.243 219.217 189.39 218.96 And what we got was , we found that if you uh , what they th what problems they are having with different uh remote controls available in the market . Seventy five percent of users they do find it that the remote controls available in the market are ugly . They are not so good looking . So , we have to put stress on this , uh we have to take care of this fact also like our design , uh should be appropriate , should be good looking for the consumers . 191.87 195.59 202.08 207.49 208.95 209.59 211.24 214.86 216.19 218.96 ES2005b B MEO020 1 219.504 226.736 219.52 226.7 And yes that's wi uh this will definitely , this can definitely put uh uh enhance our sales . 222.64 226.7 ES2005b B MEO020 1 228.08 265.376 228.16 265.376 Uh and even uh the good thing about this is that eighty percent of users they are willing to pay high uh pay more for this uh good looking remote controls also . So even if the available market goes for the available uh even if the market goes for the available remote control is less even then we can sell it at twenty five Euros , which maybe which may seem quite high but if our looks are are if the re remote control we design have a good better uh better look uh designs , then we can hope that consumers will prefer these g remote controls . Then 239.0 250.06 259.41 264.53 ES2005b C MEE017 2 263.433 264.262 263.73 264.12 Excellent . 264.12 ES2005b B MEO020 1 267.824 290.758 267.824 290.58 And the second thing , some some companies they think that they should have more and more functions of the users uh or in their remote controls , but rather than those having more functions in the remote controls we should emphasise what actually consumer want , what they operate , rather than making it too complicated . 273.71 281.06 287.36 288.51 290.58 ES2005b B MEO020 1 290.758 323.672 290.87 323.46 Because mostly it has been found that fifty percent of the users they use only ten percent of the buttons , so there is no point of having ninety percent buttons making the remote controls too bulky , too complicated too expensive a because I think I believe that technology is useful only if uh the consumers they want to use it . Otherwise there is no point of having all this type of things . So this will not only reduce the cost of our remote controls but it will increase our profit also . So we have to take care of this fact also . 296.57 301.64 310.9 313.84 321.29 323.46 ES2005b B MEO020 1 324.528 324.896 324.55 324.86 Then . 324.86 ES2005b B MEO020 1 326.24 328.448 326.39 328.41 Uh it was function I want to go to . 328.41 ES2005b C MEE017 2 328.224 330.565 328.36 330.43 Oh you wanna go back ? Just escape . 329.15 330.43 ES2005b B MEO020 1 330.368 342.09 330.39 342.09 Uh , escape , okay thank you . Then if we look at this slide , uh these are in your shared documents , you can see , like 331.32 331.83 333.37 337.47 339.63 341.16 ES2005b C MEE017 2 336.864 337.52 336.94 337.24 Okay . 337.24 ES2005b C MEE017 2 340.128 341.602 340.45 341.55 Okay . 341.55 ES2005b B MEO020 1 342.832 344.208 342.85 344.08 Uh , sorry . 343.73 344.08 ES2005b D FEE019 3 342.747 347.424 342.87 347.39 So , sorry I was just gonna say , what was the question for this ? Or is are you coming on to that ? 343.76 345.07 346.25 347.39 ES2005b B MEO020 1 348.816 367.856 348.84 367.76 Ah t look all the market potential , what uh how we should design consu our remote controls , what they should be there so as to en enhance our profit , enhance our sales . Yeah , these are different age group persons like uh sorry , I can open it in another way . 351.15 354.46 358.47 360.28 360.95 365.65 367.76 ES2005b D FEE019 3 351.026 351.896 351.27 351.57 Okay . 351.57 ES2005b D FEE019 3 358.448 360.944 358.47 360.91 So these percentages are are what ? 360.91 ES2005b C MEE017 2 368.912 372.56 369.05 372.37 Okay . Speech recognition . 370.03 372.37 ES2005b B MEO020 1 369.648 391.386 369.74 391.21 Uh , yes . If we look at the costs whether the consumers they are willing to uh pay more for speech recognition in a remote control or not , we can find that they up to a thirty five years age group we have a very good disliking for this uh this uh point , like for speech recognition in a remote control . 370.64 371.74 380.6 388.86 391.21 ES2005b B MEO020 1 391.386 410.2 391.48 410.2 So we can emphasise on this point also like , because it will definitely enhance our sales in this ag in this particular age group from uh fifteen to thirty five , and I uh and I think that most of the users of the rem uh T_V_ are belong to this age group . So we should look 394.43 401.8 408.44 ES2005b D FEE019 3 397.676 398.412 397.73 398.04 Hmm . 398.04 ES2005b C MEE017 2 408.32 412.375 408.34 412.375 Hmm . We're als we we're looking at who buys it as well . 409.34 412.28 ES2005b B MEO020 1 411.904 417.189 411.92 417.189 Yeah . We can look at that that factor also , so yes . 412.63 415.28 416.95 ES2005b C MEE017 2 416.062 420.858 416.27 420.56 Uh , which I think the twenty five to thirty five is uh usual , sort of . 416.49 420.27 420.56 ES2005b D FEE019 3 420.544 421.584 420.56 421.54 Mm , mm . 421.16 421.54 ES2005b B MEO020 1 420.752 424.224 420.77 424.224 Yeah . So , and 421.67 423.19 ES2005b B MEO020 1 427.632 429.136 427.632 429.136 And then - ES2005b C MEE017 2 428.509 430.54 428.8 429.45 Fifteen to twe - ES2005b B MEO020 1 432.784 433.823 432.8 433.56 Yes . 433.56 ES2005b B MEO020 1 434.544 466.424 434.61 466.31 I think so . Uh if we look at this data how how uh h how what are the problems the consumers are facing with the existing remote controls in the market . They find that thirt uh thirty five percent uh thirty four percent of the consumers they find too difficult to operate a remote control . So it should be in such a way that it should be easy to learn how to operate these remote controls and we should provide pl uh spe uh proper manuals for its use also so as that people consumers could easily learn . 435.82 445.66 452.65 466.31 ES2005b B MEO020 1 466.424 482.352 466.56 482.21 They need not to have any , much technical knowledge to see uh to know how to operate these remote controls . So this is also a very goo uh major factor to loo uh take into consideration to enhance our profits and sales . So um this is all about 467.92 472.7 480.28 ES2005b D FEE019 3 469.232 469.6 469.26 469.57 Mm-hmm . 469.57 ES2005b C MEE017 2 480.272 482.098 480.43 482.098 Okay . 481.95 ES2005b B MEO020 1 483.68 489.04 483.7 488.95 uh market potential by me . Uh , yes , th thank you . 486.33 486.96 487.61 488.95 ES2005b D FEE019 3 485.712 486.176 485.75 486.08 Mm-hmm . 486.08 ES2005b C MEE017 2 486.496 499.552 487.7 499.29 Okay , thank you . Um , follow on with Helen ? Yeah please . Oh , so we do yeah . Fun and games . 488.08 489.34 490.69 492.23 495.87 496.15 498.59 499.29 ES2005b D FEE019 3 492.336 494.816 492.36 494.816 Yep , sure , that's cool , um 492.74 493.46 494.33 ES2005b B MEO020 1 494.459 497.557 494.81 497.42 Yeah we have to take that out . Sorry . 496.75 497.42 ES2005b D FEE019 3 496.098 497.007 496.26 496.91 Yeah . 496.91 ES2005b B MEO020 1 500.192 501.136 500.78 501.1 Sorry . 501.1 ES2005b C MEE017 2 501.088 507.504 501.16 507.3 Don't know if the cable's gonna be long enough . I think I just kicked over whatever it runs on underneath as well . 504.01 507.3 ES2005b B MEO020 1 503.472 505.68 503.49 505.68 Uh sorry , I have . 504.17 505.6 ES2005b B MEO020 1 507.424 509.757 507.46 509.53 Brian , this one also I . Yeah . 507.81 508.66 509.53 ES2005b C MEE017 2 508.944 510.094 508.96 509.49 Okay . 509.49 ES2005b D FEE019 3 510.934 514.612 511.09 514.49 I can turn my computer quickly if that's okay . 514.49 ES2005b B MEO020 1 511.152 512.304 511.17 512.2 Thank you very much Brian . 512.2 ES2005b B MEO020 1 514.288 516.832 514.33 516.64 If you want me to help , yeah . 516.43 516.64 ES2005b D FEE019 3 515.44 517.194 515.51 517.1 Um , yep . 516.79 517.1 ES2005b B MEO020 1 523.792 524.32 523.87 524.14 Yeah . 524.14 ES2005b D FEE019 3 524.272 526.062 524.36 525.78 Okay , and then what do I press , F_ eight ? 524.58 525.31 525.78 ES2005b B MEO020 1 525.707 527.904 525.73 527.73 Uh F_ eight . Function F_ eight . 526.69 527.73 ES2005b C MEE017 2 526.199 527.911 526.59 527.86 Function F_ eight . 527.86 ES2005b D FEE019 3 527.904 528.288 527.94 528.25 Oh right . 528.25 ES2005b B MEO020 1 531.214 531.936 531.23 531.9 Mm s . 531.9 ES2005b D FEE019 3 532.176 532.8 532.26 532.77 Okay , cool . 532.53 532.77 ES2005b B MEO020 1 533.12 535.68 533.17 535.56 It's not coming . Function F_ eight , okay . 534.26 535.17 535.56 ES2005b D FEE019 3 533.872 534.176 533.89 534.12 Oh . 534.12 ES2005b B MEO020 1 539.36 540.112 539.74 540.04 Yeah . 540.04 ES2005b D FEE019 3 540.447 542.224 540.8 542.08 Yeah . No signal . 541.27 542.08 ES2005b C MEE017 2 543.376 544.395 543.48 544.34 Hmm . 544.34 ES2005b B MEO020 1 543.793 545.072 543.793 544.95 Computer . 544.95 ES2005b C MEE017 2 547.984 548.464 548.09 548.41 There you go . 548.41 ES2005b B MEO020 1 548.384 549.728 548.4 549.69 Computer adjusting , yeah . 549.49 549.69 ES2005b D FEE019 3 549.088 550.224 549.11 550.19 Okay . Cool . 549.86 550.19 ES2005b D FEE019 3 554.112 557.862 554.26 557.862 Okay and then how do I press the the big one , to get it on to the big 556.83 ES2005b B MEO020 1 554.146 554.64 554.42 554.61 Yeah . 554.61 ES2005b C MEE017 2 557.022 558.64 557.2 558.57 Uh F_ five . 558.57 ES2005b D FEE019 3 558.448 561.584 558.47 561.24 F_ five and I press that again to get it off as well do I ? 561.24 ES2005b C MEE017 2 560.816 567.613 560.84 567.51 Um , F_ five and escape'll bring it back and just uh the left button for advancing . 561.17 567.51 ES2005b B MEO020 1 561.024 561.783 561.04 561.63 Escape . 561.63 ES2005b D FEE019 3 567.744 601.376 568.18 601.08 Okay , so um I'm the interface design designer , User Interface Designer sorry , uh I'm concerned with um w what effect the apparatus should have on the user and um I'm I'm also I want to point out that our motto , put the fashion in electronics , so obviously we as a company we want to make our products trendy and fashionable , it's a big concern of ours . Okay , and how do I press n just the next button ? The arrow ? 568.76 572.28 574.23 589.07 590.67 595.88 597.73 598.12 600.68 601.08 ES2005b C MEE017 2 599.808 602.08 600.49 601.93 Uh just a left uh - ES2005b D FEE019 3 602.48 642.4 602.58 642.37 Okay . So um I looked at existing designs and also um the information that Raj gave us was very useful about what people like , what people dislike . Um and what people fashionable , because we said people between twenty five and thirty five were the main um buyers of of our T_V_ I think . So um what they like and what they find fashionable . And ergonomics , we said um , I don't know I haven't actually been able to do any of this myself , but um maybe that comes up , I don't know . And the findings , well 603.65 611.51 613.34 616.38 625.29 630.6 631.54 632.82 636.06 638.79 640.66 641.97 ES2005b C MEE017 2 603.36 604.288 603.38 604.02 left mouse button . 604.02 ES2005b C MEE017 2 620.32 621.36 620.35 621.31 Mm-hmm . 621.31 ES2005b C MEE017 2 624.778 625.424 625.03 625.34 Okay . 625.34 ES2005b C MEE017 2 630.032 630.416 630.14 630.31 'Kay . 630.31 ES2005b C MEE017 2 639.104 641.296 639.59 641.26 That can come under Arlo as well . 641.26 ES2005b D FEE019 3 643.664 661.877 643.69 661.79 the basic that was the basic function to send messages to the television set . That's what people want to do . Um , so they need to be included , um , but I've got some pictures here of some leading ones . I don't know how to get to them , do I press F_ five is it ? escape ? 648.63 650.36 651.22 653.38 654.11 657.96 659.5 661.25 661.79 ES2005b C MEE017 2 648.768 649.153 648.79 649.01 Uh . 649.01 ES2005b C MEE017 2 658.224 663.648 659.74 663.59 Uh if you if you escape then you can see your bar . 663.59 ES2005b D FEE019 3 663.984 699.13 664.14 698.9 Oh okay , cool . I haven't got my glasses on so I hope it's this one . These are two leading um remote controls at the moment . You know they're grey , they've I mean this one's got loads of buttons , it's hard to tell from here what they actually do , and they don't look very exciting at all . Um , personally I prefer this one just because it's looks easier use , it's a bit more sleek with more of this silver stuff , um , but there you go , that's what we're up against , and I think we can do much better than that . 664.54 665.9 669.02 673.49 674.69 676.91 681.01 683.24 684.17 688.35 693.03 693.87 694.53 696.28 698.9 ES2005b C MEE017 2 668.048 670.032 668.048 669.94 Uh okay . 669.94 ES2005b C MEE017 2 673.539 674.414 673.74 674.13 'Kay . 674.13 ES2005b C MEE017 2 691.76 693.104 692.62 693.06 Mm-hmm . 693.06 ES2005b C MEE017 2 697.728 701.968 697.728 701.56 We hope so . 701.56 ES2005b A MEE018 0 698.617 701.951 698.617 701.951 Of course . 701.87 ES2005b D FEE019 3 700.272 700.848 700.29 700.81 Um - ES2005b D FEE019 3 701.952 702.752 701.97 702.7 hang on . 702.7 ES2005b D FEE019 3 703.952 706.112 703.97 706.08 F_ five , okay , sorry . 705.34 705.66 706.08 ES2005b D FEE019 3 707.408 718.16 708.37 718.13 Personal preferences . Um , well I think we need to l I think the ergonomics is quite um important , um 709.69 711.74 717.66 ES2005b C MEE017 2 717.488 722.896 717.71 722.85 Yeah , particularly if we've uh there was a bit in Raj's about R_S_I_ and things as well . 718.08 722.85 ES2005b D FEE019 3 722.96 757.418 722.99 757.07 Uh-huh . And um I thought not too edgy and like a box , more kind of hand-held more um not as uh computery and or organic , yeah , more organic shape I think . Um simple designs , like the last one we just saw , not too many buttons and as Raj pointed out , only ten percent fifty percent of people only use ten percent of the buttons , so I think what we can miss out on the buttons we can make up for in design and and how nice it looks . 724.27 728.12 736.69 736.86 739.12 740.42 741.59 744.22 749.28 757.07 ES2005b B MEO020 1 723.376 723.664 723.4 723.6 Yeah . 723.6 ES2005b C MEE017 2 735.088 736.492 735.13 736.36 Organic . 736.36 ES2005b C MEE017 2 748.499 749.264 748.68 749.03 Mm-hmm . 749.03 ES2005b C MEE017 2 754.064 755.44 754.08 755.38 Sales , . 755.38 755.38 ES2005b C MEE017 2 757.216 757.664 757.24 757.6 Okay . 757.6 ES2005b D FEE019 3 757.418 775.28 757.78 775.28 Um , hand-held and portable I think is portamint is important because T_F_T_ have just um released um I think is it a a remote control for presentations or uh and a big seven inch big screen , anyway , so um 758.7 773.03 774.08 ES2005b C MEE017 2 770.784 772.4 770.8 772.34 Yeah it's like a , yeah . 771.81 772.34 ES2005b C MEE017 2 775.2 779.552 775.51 779.552 It's . 779.22 ES2005b D FEE019 3 776.496 791.315 776.59 791.18 Yeah , no seven inches isn't that big but um anyway um so hand-held and portable and uh m I thought about other functions for T_V_ but as you pointed out people don't actually want that , so maybe we forget about that . 776.77 789.6 791.18 ES2005b C MEE017 2 784.544 785.77 785.0 785.56 Right . 785.56 ES2005b C MEE017 2 789.744 796.272 789.76 796.24 And also the company want to keep it stuck to the T_V_ for uh to keep down the production time . 796.24 ES2005b B MEO020 1 789.629 790.41 789.81 790.06 Yeah . 790.06 ES2005b D FEE019 3 795.187 826.159 795.41 826.01 It's for one T_V_ oh right okay , sure . And so the last thing I thought w which I quickly mentioned in the other one was maybe a bit of a gimmick to set us apart from other people , like glow-in-the-dark um which does already e exist but it's not very widely used I don't think . Easy finder with the a whistle function or something , or rechargeable station because it's a pain when you run out of batteries . And I think that , yep , that's it . Okay ? 797.68 798.53 805.52 814.03 817.79 821.78 823.75 824.15 825.45 826.01 ES2005b C MEE017 2 803.104 804.112 803.68 803.97 Mm-hmm . 803.97 ES2005b B MEO020 1 807.184 808.604 807.2 808.5 Exactly . Yeah . 807.96 808.5 ES2005b C MEE017 2 811.312 811.728 811.33 811.69 Yeah . 811.69 ES2005b C MEE017 2 816.334 816.944 816.51 816.91 Okay . 816.91 ES2005b C MEE017 2 821.344 821.68 821.36 821.58 Yeah . 821.58 ES2005b C MEE017 2 824.624 826.601 824.79 826.34 That's cool . 826.34 ES2005b A MEE018 0 825.328 840.144 825.35 839.98 So uh , I noticed your talk about speech recognition and whistling , and uh I was just curious to know , have we done any research into how many people can whistle ? Um , or if is that a function we want in the remote ? 826.58 830.66 833.19 836.53 837.14 839.98 ES2005b D FEE019 3 830.112 830.544 830.14 830.5 Mm-hmm . 830.5 ES2005b D FEE019 3 840.304 842.768 840.32 842.768 Um , I haven't been able to 841.03 ES2005b C MEE017 2 840.464 846.992 840.48 846.992 Um , do you have trouble whistling ? Really ? Ooh . 841.47 845.18 845.86 846.82 ES2005b A MEE018 0 842.912 848.288 842.96 848.25 I don't , but I I know a lot of people do right . Yeah it just I mean it has to be a certain kind of whistle too , right ? 843.38 845.89 848.1 848.25 ES2005b D FEE019 3 848.368 851.783 848.4 851.783 Mm-hmm , yeah or some sort of voice 848.89 ES2005b C MEE017 2 848.528 859.952 848.55 859.952 Yeah , I suppose that's true . Well I suppo uh you could y you could have the you could have the basically um instead of a whistle if it's got the voice recognition you could have it just , you know , where are you ? . 848.76 849.66 857.34 857.61 859.86 859.86 ES2005b D FEE019 3 858.304 858.96 858.32 858.93 Yeah . 858.93 ES2005b A MEE018 0 858.757 870.592 858.757 870.51 That's costly though . Um a much easier thing is just any loud noise like clapping um , shouting , you know , uh and then , what would the response be ? It beeps back at you or something ? 860.41 864.8 865.57 866.67 868.1 868.96 870.51 ES2005b B MEO020 1 859.376 860.176 859.4 859.98 Yeah . 859.98 ES2005b D FEE019 3 863.792 864.144 863.85 864.11 Mm-hmm . 864.11 ES2005b C MEE017 2 864.192 864.624 864.21 864.57 Hmm . 864.57 ES2005b B MEO020 1 864.72 865.168 864.83 865.13 Yeah . 865.13 ES2005b C MEE017 2 866.48 867.52 866.58 867.44 Sounds good . 867.44 ES2005b D FEE019 3 871.536 872.512 871.56 872.48 Yeah , something . 872.05 872.48 ES2005b A MEE018 0 872.912 873.616 872.912 873.54 Okay . 873.54 ES2005b A MEE018 0 875.664 878.656 875.68 878.41 Well , uh let me set this up . 876.69 878.41 ES2005b A MEE018 0 879.728 881.616 879.75 881.45 So I plug it in , press F_ five ? 880.57 881.45 ES2005b A MEE018 0 882.112 883.392 882.39 883.27 Function F_ five ? 883.27 ES2005b C MEE017 2 883.28 888.112 883.3 888.112 Function F_ eight for the um the uh - ES2005b A MEE018 0 885.264 886.08 885.28 886.05 Or function F_ eight ? 886.05 ES2005b A MEE018 0 888.864 889.312 888.89 889.21 Okay . 889.21 ES2005b D FEE019 3 889.376 892.88 889.48 892.82 Oh you need to twiddle the thingamibobsy thing . 892.82 ES2005b A MEE018 0 893.184 896.0 893.2 895.92 Okay . I think it's uh just to lock it in . 893.71 895.92 ES2005b C MEE017 2 896.944 898.12 896.97 898.02 Yeah . 898.02 ES2005b A MEE018 0 897.056 897.552 897.08 897.52 It's got it . 897.52 ES2005b D FEE019 3 898.048 898.992 898.12 898.95 Okay . 898.95 ES2005b A MEE018 0 900.304 903.164 900.304 902.98 Okay . 902.98 ES2005b A MEE018 0 903.76 905.424 904.41 905.17 Um . 905.17 ES2005b A MEE018 0 906.56 925.86 906.56 925.54 So as the Industrial Designer my job is to take an input from you guys , um so it's good you went first , and I jotted down some notes as to what are the b needs and uh what kind of novel features we can add to differentiate our product from the others . 914.64 916.79 925.54 ES2005b C MEE017 2 914.192 914.61 914.26 914.51 Alright . 914.51 ES2005b C MEE017 2 916.863 918.976 917.08 918.27 Let's remember that . 918.27 ES2005b A MEE018 0 925.86 947.804 926.13 947.804 Um so Raj told us that uh consumers are willing to spend more for fancy products , and um he also mentioned that uh the current products don't always match users' operating behaviour . Um , a lot of the buttons aren't used , and uh 934.11 942.61 942.96 944.86 ES2005b A MEE018 0 948.304 950.336 948.32 950.2 he mentioned that they're not fun to use . 950.2 ES2005b A MEE018 0 951.408 974.621 951.43 974.38 And uh a novel feature which uh we just brought up was this this automatic speech recognition feature or noise detection feature for when you lose the remote , there could be a little microphone on it , and any noise over a certain threshold um it'll pick up as a a distress signal um from you and it'll beep back and say you know oh here I am or something of this sort . 962.63 964.3 974.38 ES2005b C MEE017 2 969.792 970.352 969.81 970.22 Mm-hmm . 970.22 ES2005b C MEE017 2 973.6 982.944 973.62 982.89 But sure surely that would have to be um sort of specific rather than above a threshold 'cause if you had a loud movie on you're likely to get it beeping back at you . 982.89 ES2005b D FEE019 3 980.84 981.648 981.18 981.6 Mm-hmm . 981.6 ES2005b A MEE018 0 982.0 985.408 982.02 985.25 Oh yeah , yeah , that's true . Well maybe you could have a 982.8 983.43 983.99 ES2005b D FEE019 3 983.168 983.6 983.19 983.57 Mm-hmm . 983.57 ES2005b A MEE018 0 986.608 992.352 986.63 992.32 um hmm tha that would be a consideration to take into account yes . Um . 991.72 992.32 ES2005b C MEE017 2 992.525 995.968 992.75 995.968 Sorry I didn't mean to derail you there . 995.76 ES2005b A MEE018 0 994.288 1014.184 994.31 1013.9 Yeah well tha that's uh for later down the road um , and then as for the user interface it should be trendy , um and not computery , right , so more low tech and not too many buttons . So I took these all into consideration and also I have some limitations from the boss . 997.87 1001.16 1003.75 1004.16 1008.44 1013.9 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1007.696 1008.112 1007.74 1008.07 Mm-hmm . 1008.07 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1014.184 1020.496 1014.4 1020.23 Right um , and practical limitations which I kinda threw out the window . 1016.5 1020.23 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1021.632 1038.992 1022.45 1038.992 And so I did a little research and unfortunately all I had to work on was our uh our corporate archives of the great products we've made before , which include , you know , um space craft , coffee makers , and bullet trains 1033.39 1034.54 1035.02 1036.73 1037.62 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1039.232 1042.112 1039.25 1042.112 Ah is that what that is ? 1041.93 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1039.413 1049.712 1039.43 1049.62 Or uh or a high speed train . Right and having personally worked with all these products uh I have a great deal of experience with uh with industrial design of these . 1042.04 1049.62 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1048.08 1054.976 1048.1 1054.41 Well that's cool . If you if you can build space craft you'll have no problem with a remote control , yeah . 1049.09 1052.87 1054.41 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1051.771 1053.456 1051.94 1053.35 Right . So , 1053.01 1053.35 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1052.204 1053.496 1052.24 1053.28 Yeah sure . 1053.28 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1055.168 1057.264 1055.19 1057.14 I figured , just put 'em all together . 1056.19 1057.14 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1057.874 1065.92 1058.01 1065.74 You got a a caffeine powered space shuttle train transport to your T_V_ , and um 1064.87 ES2005b B MEO020 1 1066.474 1067.131 1066.67 1066.89 Hmm . 1066.89 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1067.68 1072.064 1067.7 1072.01 as for the user interface problem , you know , too many buttons . Give it one button 1069.65 1070.06 1071.04 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1072.544 1083.92 1072.8 1083.92 and and it's a you know , for the the cowboy in all of us I I'm not quite sure what the the function is there but 1077.0 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1082.864 1085.164 1082.95 1085.164 Right okay . 1084.66 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1082.724 1085.685 1082.97 1085.685 Well I like that design . 1085.43 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1084.512 1087.808 1084.53 1087.808 Yeah it's a g I mean you could have a you know a - ES2005b C MEE017 2 1087.728 1095.984 1087.8 1095.93 Is that just switches on the speech recognition and it's entirely speech operated , is it ? Yeah . Yeah . 1091.29 1091.64 1095.42 1095.93 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1091.259 1102.863 1091.5 1102.863 Right . So I think I I missed the budget thing , it was fifty million Euros ? And we gotta sell twenty five of them ? Right . Okay . 1091.98 1093.66 1095.95 1098.36 1099.91 1102.78 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1098.32 1099.936 1098.34 1099.9 Yeah , not a problem . 1099.06 1099.9 ES2005b B MEO020 1 1099.664 1101.963 1099.68 1101.7 Fifty million was uh prof - ES2005b C MEE017 2 1100.08 1110.129 1100.1 1109.76 Ah now it's fif fifty million Euros we've gotta uh we've g gotta make profit , so we're making that at twelve and a half Euros a time . 1106.42 1109.76 ES2005b B MEO020 1 1102.748 1104.08 1103.02 1104.03 As a profit . 1104.03 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1104.64 1106.576 1104.78 1106.48 Oh okay , so I I mixed those numbers . 1105.28 1106.48 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1108.624 1128.214 1108.86 1128.214 Okay . Well I guess more realistically then , we need a product that's got some kinda nifty outer casing , cheap plastic uh , you know , um that should be just like uh a tenth of the price maybe or less . An energy source which'd probably just be uh your regular batteries um , we don't wanna have it 1109.83 1111.88 1114.63 1116.72 1117.34 1122.56 1127.33 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1117.552 1117.936 1117.57 1117.9 Mm-hmm . 1117.9 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1126.144 1133.328 1126.28 1133.29 Okay . Would it be possible to have the rechargeable idea ? Is that is that gonna mark up a lot ? Yeah . 1127.47 1130.17 1132.97 1133.29 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1131.088 1131.6 1131.11 1131.56 Uh . 1131.56 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1131.391 1134.22 1131.46 1134.03 Or a little base station or something , . 1134.03 1134.03 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1133.456 1138.0 1133.48 1137.81 Yeah , yeah , we could do that too . Um , I hadn't thought of that . Yeah . 1133.98 1134.42 1136.04 1136.39 1137.47 1137.81 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1137.776 1148.907 1137.776 1148.8 That might cost more though , 'cause obviously with batteries we don't need to provide , well we provide the first batteries , but it's more , it's that's cheaper to just provide batteries . 1139.03 1142.02 1143.26 1144.98 1148.8 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1143.632 1144.544 1143.65 1144.39 Yeah , yeah . 1144.12 1144.39 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1146.128 1146.544 1146.15 1146.32 Right . 1146.32 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1145.92 1156.528 1146.46 1156.48 I mean if you think about these base stations now it's essentially just a a lead with a sort of self connecting brake in it , so I don't think it'd up up the price that much . 1153.45 1156.48 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1151.488 1153.114 1151.55 1153.03 A battery in it , kinda . 1152.46 1153.03 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1154.256 1173.008 1154.31 1172.97 Right , so so the unirs the user interface uh the canonical user interface for these would be just a bunch of buttons , but since we're a cutting edge company , we uh of course will have alternatives like uh speech recognition , whistling recognition and rocket power 1154.7 1162.65 1165.38 1170.69 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1154.622 1155.412 1154.68 1155.2 Okay . 1155.2 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1155.877 1157.136 1155.877 1157.1 Okay . 1157.1 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1173.232 1175.936 1173.25 1175.936 Okay . 1175.83 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1173.36 1174.672 1173.86 1174.64 behind our product . 1174.64 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1175.281 1181.536 1175.59 1181.49 Um and lastly the transmission interface is uh , just some engineering thing you don't have to worry about . 1179.52 1181.49 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1181.84 1183.488 1181.86 1183.488 Okay . 1183.13 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1183.2 1188.24 1183.22 1188.2 Um so here's you know , a great schematic that my uh apprentice designer gave me . 1184.92 1188.2 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1189.16 1202.32 1189.38 1202.28 Um as you can see the the remote control have parts and those parts look like that and um you know it's got a little operating procedure that looks something like that . 1202.28 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1203.344 1231.632 1203.344 1231.58 And I suppose you all know how it works because we've all used it and we wouldn't be in a company designing remote controls if we didn't know what they were so uh personal preferences , I think uh programmable options which um just require a small amount of memory , uh non volatile memory , just um so the user can put in their favourite channels and maybe their preferred volume settings so that when they turn it on it's not blasting . 1215.78 1222.36 1224.02 1231.58 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1225.152 1225.536 1225.17 1225.5 Mm . 1225.5 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1231.887 1235.76 1232.17 1235.26 Mm that's a good idea actually I like the programmable options . 1235.26 ES2005b B MEO020 1 1234.096 1235.36 1234.12 1235.3 Yeah , me too . 1234.72 1235.3 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1235.52 1250.656 1235.54 1250.62 Oh okay . And the uh , the bells and whistles that we mentioned you know , they take more budgeting , um more technical uh expenditure of effort and it's also much more likely to not work if if we add these bells and whistles . 1236.48 1238.23 1240.54 1241.95 1250.62 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1248.992 1249.824 1249.02 1249.67 Right . 1249.67 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1248.477 1249.721 1249.05 1249.68 Mm 'kay . 1249.68 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1251.632 1253.104 1251.68 1253.07 Yeah . 1253.07 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1253.728 1254.288 1253.75 1254.25 That's all I got . 1254.25 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1254.208 1257.424 1254.23 1256.99 'Kay , thank you very much , um I'll take that back . 1254.54 1255.62 1256.99 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1262.544 1263.232 1262.59 1263.19 Ooh that's tight . 1263.19 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1264.031 1276.135 1264.07 1276.135 Right , also so um a notice I got not very long before the meeting , so didn't manage to forward it on to you , it is let's see , I'll find it myself , um 1264.31 1268.78 1270.96 1272.21 1275.18 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1281.104 1289.84 1281.85 1289.84 Ta nah . 1289.78 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1282.834 1287.68 1283.0 1287.52 Okay , I don't think we need to screw it in . Just push it . 1283.79 1285.25 1287.52 ES2005b B MEO020 1 1288.288 1288.528 1288.33 1288.49 Yeah . 1288.49 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1292.096 1323.344 1292.12 1322.88 We had that um to dis-include teletext um because it's become outdated , and everybody uses the internet anyway . Um , dunno what Oracle would have to say with that but never mind . Um it's only for the television , which I'm presuming means it's for a specific television , and um instead of colours and sorta colour options , they want corporate colour and slogan somehow implemented in the new design . 1300.83 1303.08 1304.32 1306.88 1309.62 1313.21 1318.32 1322.88 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1302.848 1303.184 1302.88 1303.15 Mm-hmm . 1303.15 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1311.983 1312.845 1312.17 1312.65 Okay . 1312.65 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1323.264 1324.24 1323.28 1324.21 Corporate colour . 1324.21 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1324.4 1337.392 1324.42 1337.03 Yellow . I presume . Um , everything , all their sort of uh you know the uh corporate website and everything's yellow . 1329.17 1330.5 1331.58 1332.1 1337.03 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1325.33 1326.456 1325.52 1326.14 Okay . 1326.14 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1325.187 1328.032 1326.16 1328.032 Yellow . 1327.76 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1338.112 1338.592 1338.18 1338.53 Mm-hmm . 1338.53 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1339.728 1346.512 1339.75 1346.512 And the logo uh the sort of slogan we put the fa fashion in electronics uh - ES2005b C MEE017 2 1347.984 1357.808 1348.0 1357.19 I don't know exactly how sort of incorpor I mean , I guess if you're going for a sort of globular shape you could kind of have it working its way round it or something . 1352.2 1357.19 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1356.704 1357.168 1356.72 1357.13 Yeah . 1357.13 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1359.072 1361.584 1359.09 1361.584 Uh , where am I ? 1359.66 1361.15 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1359.108 1360.062 1359.38 1359.79 Okay . 1359.79 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1366.496 1372.016 1366.52 1371.75 Okay , so , we have to decide on which functions we're going to actually have . 1367.17 1367.65 1371.75 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1372.304 1372.608 1372.32 1372.57 'Kay . 1372.57 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1373.008 1379.44 1373.13 1379.13 Uh , now , we had as listed options we had 1375.26 1376.26 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1380.784 1388.144 1380.99 1388.06 speech recognition potentially , flat screen interface , L_C_D_ interface um 1383.31 1385.6 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1389.264 1402.544 1389.61 1402.45 we also want to limit the number of buttons so we'll pretty much take that one as read . We'll use the the basic functions for a television . No teletext . Um okay hold on . 1394.69 1397.56 1400.49 1402.45 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1392.784 1393.2 1392.83 1393.15 Mm-hmm . 1393.15 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1394.549 1395.291 1394.69 1395.08 Mm-hmm . 1395.08 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1401.648 1405.344 1401.67 1405.3 Although the the danger with that is , it could look a bit cheap . 1404.25 1405.3 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1405.936 1414.816 1406.71 1414.816 Not enough buttons you mean ? So sorta strike a balance between a a few and a or it looks like we're just cutting on the um 1409.23 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1408.208 1409.552 1408.23 1409.552 Yeah . Well 1409.22 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1412.24 1412.624 1412.29 1412.59 Mm . 1412.59 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1415.152 1418.041 1415.28 1417.8 On the number of buttons , kind of functions and stuff . 1416.4 1417.8 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1416.576 1422.0 1416.6 1421.97 I do however have this from over my head , that they don't want teletext on it . 1420.56 1421.97 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1419.968 1420.688 1420.0 1420.65 Mm-hmm , okay . 1420.39 1420.65 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1422.416 1423.072 1422.44 1423.04 Okay , cool . 1422.76 1423.04 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1423.232 1429.088 1423.232 1428.97 Uh maybe Raj you could find out what people would think about that , or maybe they'll send 1428.13 ES2005b B MEO020 1 1429.84 1431.166 1429.86 1430.87 About cost . 1430.87 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1429.683 1472.496 1429.87 1472.39 some information about that , about um what people , whether people would require um teletext in a remote teletext option in a remote control . Okay um . So uh I take it your position Arlo is that the bells and whistles we've gotta come up with the a gimmick but not too complicated a gimmick . Um so I mean a a the sort of inkling I'm getting from little bits of um web chatter that I'm getting sent is that they're quite interested in a T_F_T_ display , interactive display . However that does sound a bit like the 1431.25 1433.16 1442.39 1446.25 1456.78 1468.99 1470.4 ES2005b B MEO020 1 1437.921 1438.528 1438.09 1438.48 Okay . 1438.48 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1456.32 1456.864 1456.34 1456.83 Yeah yeah . 1456.83 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1474.112 1479.296 1474.13 1479.2 more complicated design that rav uh sorry Raj um - ES2005b C MEE017 2 1482.128 1503.488 1482.15 1503.45 said people didn't like . Although I guess if there's a sort of If you think about standard interfaces that people use already , sort of Windows-style drop down menus or whatever , I think maybe that's a bit , going a bit far but you know like in a basic sense that you could have your basic selection of buttons , and if you hit a sort of menu at the top you have 1483.89 1489.42 1492.76 1494.12 1500.89 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1483.392 1484.539 1483.44 1484.3 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 1484.04 1484.3 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1490.736 1491.152 1490.77 1491.1 Mm-hmm . 1491.1 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1493.584 1494.016 1493.6 1493.98 Yeah . 1493.98 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1504.896 1517.776 1504.99 1517.74 um it goes to a different selection of buttons , so it sorta keeps it simple . Um glow in the dark , is that sort of with a light inside it or is it sort of glow in the dark material ? 1508.31 1510.68 1512.68 1517.74 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1507.968 1508.272 1508.03 1508.24 Yeah . 1508.24 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1509.6 1510.08 1509.64 1510.04 Okay . 1510.04 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1516.448 1517.017 1516.47 1517.017 Um - ES2005b B MEO020 1 1517.984 1518.518 1518.0 1518.44 Uh . 1518.44 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1518.016 1524.147 1518.09 1524.05 Glow in the dark material I was thinking . Um , so I I guess that would be cheaper than a light I think . 1520.61 1521.04 1524.05 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1519.297 1520.736 1519.33 1520.736 Okay . So 1520.36 ES2005b B MEO020 1 1520.944 1521.488 1520.97 1521.488 I - ES2005b B MEO020 1 1523.072 1544.272 1523.09 1544.12 Uh may I say something about ? Uh actually I think it's really really very important point uh as if we look at the market because people mor fifty percent people they find that the remote controls are often lost somewhere in the remote , in the room . But yeah are lost and means they forget where they have kept the remote control last time . 1525.18 1537.27 1538.54 1544.12 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1523.159 1523.869 1523.3 1523.58 Yeah . 1523.58 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1524.496 1524.832 1524.52 1524.71 Yeah . 1524.71 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1538.367 1540.534 1538.55 1540.42 Often lost s was that , yeah . 1539.79 1540.42 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1539.554 1540.625 1539.58 1540.53 Lost , yeah . 1540.06 1540.53 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1544.208 1544.592 1544.24 1544.56 Mm-hmm . 1544.56 ES2005b B MEO020 1 1544.272 1573.456 1544.34 1573.41 But if we add speech recognition as well as glow in the dark then both these factors will help their locating the remote control , like if they come and speak something at the remote control uh replies to something something and it glows in the dark . Both these factors uh both these points will help them to locate the where they have kept this remote control , and this will definitely enhance our uh market sales , so we should take it into consideration also . 1552.19 1560.05 1566.23 1570.17 1573.41 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1550.575 1551.319 1550.76 1551.08 Mm-hmm . 1551.08 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1563.891 1564.846 1564.02 1564.47 That's cool . 1564.47 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1564.688 1566.258 1564.71 1566.0 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 1565.66 1566.0 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1566.046 1566.92 1566.14 1566.71 That's cool . 1566.71 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1573.19 1575.184 1573.21 1575.14 Okay , cool . Um 1573.82 1574.45 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1574.412 1576.144 1574.52 1576.03 Well hmm . 1576.03 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1576.24 1578.384 1576.26 1578.384 speech recognition I take it - ES2005b A MEE018 0 1579.472 1580.08 1579.49 1580.08 Oh it's - ES2005b C MEE017 2 1579.616 1586.048 1579.64 1585.76 I don't , I've I know of no products um that use speech recognition well . 1580.02 1585.76 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1583.344 1605.2 1583.52 1604.19 They're act there there was a remote control that came out two years ago that had a some basic speech recognition on it . You could programme it with your channels and then you say you know like uh B_B_C_ one and it goes to that channel . Yeah , it didn't work very well though because of this noise interference problem . They mentioned you know if the television says you are listening to B_B_C_ one . 1589.62 1596.69 1596.96 1600.02 1604.19 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1595.808 1596.608 1595.83 1596.43 Really ? 1596.43 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1599.584 1600.016 1599.6 1599.98 Mm . 1599.98 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1599.856 1600.112 1599.88 1600.08 Mm-hmm . 1600.08 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1603.472 1608.688 1603.49 1608.64 Yeah , or a yeah an advert an advert for B_B_C_ two on B_B_C_ one'll switch the channel for you kinda thing . 1604.05 1608.64 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1608.784 1620.032 1608.8 1620.032 Right , right , and so there was a lot of this , you'd be watching the T_V_ and then all of a sudden it'd it'd pick up a noise and turn it off or you know or turn the volume off or something , but if you can work around that that noise problem 1609.17 1609.43 1610.34 1616.83 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1614.792 1615.452 1614.96 1615.29 Mm-hmm . 1615.29 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1614.993 1615.556 1615.04 1615.4 Mm . 1615.4 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1616.699 1617.441 1616.73 1617.3 'Kay . 1617.3 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1620.24 1620.624 1620.26 1620.59 Uh-huh . 1620.59 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1620.592 1642.602 1620.61 1642.48 Well what about this might get a bit too expensive actually , but what about um something that's built into the T_V_ um that you can press and it'll send out a little signal you know like the ones that we can't hear or something um that that will activate the remote control starts to beep . If you find if y 1623.44 1641.55 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1635.472 1636.816 1635.54 1636.67 Ah , that's a good idea . 1636.0 1636.67 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1640.448 1640.878 1640.47 1640.75 Right . 1640.75 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1640.928 1644.88 1640.95 1644.88 So like a kind of backwards remote from the telly . 1644.71 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1643.684 1665.906 1643.87 1665.83 Right and then it would do just you know , uh subtractive kind of cancellation of the noise . What you could do then would be you have uh a remote controlled by the T_V_ speaker , or not a remo I'm sorry , a microphone by the T_V_ speaker and a transmitter there that sends back to your remote , 'cause you can't um expect uh the the television manufacturers to to put that feature into their T_V_s . 1645.63 1649.31 1654.75 1655.55 1659.49 1665.83 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1643.92 1644.336 1643.94 1644.3 Yeah . 1644.3 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1663.168 1667.008 1663.76 1666.97 Mm . Yeah , that's the only thing , yeah . 1665.05 1665.46 1666.62 1666.97 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1666.529 1670.899 1666.67 1670.79 But yeah , then you have like the little se separate module by the T_V_ speaker 1667.27 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1666.535 1667.419 1666.77 1667.01 Right . 1667.01 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1669.394 1671.392 1669.79 1671.36 That we should just stick on , yeah . 1671.0 1671.36 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1671.376 1673.987 1671.4 1673.79 That comes with our remote control . Yeah . 1673.42 1673.79 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1671.356 1671.886 1671.51 1671.886 which - ES2005b A MEE018 0 1672.992 1677.168 1673.01 1677.13 Right , and then the remote control would know um what's being produced by the television . 1673.23 1677.13 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1673.038 1673.754 1673.22 1673.62 Yeah . 1673.62 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1674.848 1681.152 1675.45 1681.07 And that's a sort of basic R_F_ kind of frequency so it'll be cheap . 1681.07 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1678.544 1679.184 1678.56 1679.15 Right , right . 1678.99 1679.15 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1679.024 1679.344 1679.04 1679.31 Mm-hmm . 1679.31 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1681.552 1710.768 1681.57 1710.56 Right , right . Um . Yeah that's certainly possible then an another thing was about this losing the remote and trying to find it again . If you do have this sorta speech interface to it , you don't even need to find it . You just say you know , um whatever you whatever you want the remote for , you know to change the channel or to uh turn the T_V_ on and off , you just shout your command to it and it would do it for you if it's within you know , within hearing range . And uh you know it could be somewhere in the room y that you've no idea where it is and it would still do its job . 1682.07 1682.47 1683.73 1688.72 1690.99 1692.49 1693.6 1695.77 1699.99 1704.45 1706.03 1710.56 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1705.696 1706.128 1705.72 1706.09 Uh-huh . 1706.09 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1710.688 1714.768 1710.71 1714.6 That could also be built into the T_V_ though , which might make our remote control a bit obsolete . 1712.47 1714.6 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1713.936 1720.624 1713.936 1720.624 Yeah . It might do us out of a job . Um 1716.23 1719.85 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1715.168 1720.003 1715.51 1720.003 Well , hopefully we're uh we're ahead of the curve . 1716.02 1719.87 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1717.696 1719.759 1717.72 1719.01 Yeah , okay . 1718.6 1719.01 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1722.544 1758.862 1722.56 1758.66 Okay . I like the whole sort of remote feedback thing . Um so I think rather than and that also kind of takes out the speech recognition in terms of the interference of it not working very well and things like that , so I th yeah and expense and the time . So I think if we're going to go well I mean like the thing about the there's the problem with the T_F_T_ or the L_C_D_ kind of thing is if you're also wanting the the kind of 1727.75 1733.72 1744.88 1747.44 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1741.104 1741.6 1741.13 1741.56 Mm . 1741.56 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1743.849 1744.623 1744.12 1744.35 Hmm . 1744.35 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1744.608 1745.7 1744.64 1745.51 And the expense . 1745.51 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1746.032 1746.288 1746.05 1746.24 Mm-hmm . 1746.24 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1759.68 1763.632 1759.73 1763.56 uh organic globby sort of feeling to it then - ES2005b C MEE017 2 1764.976 1766.944 1765.0 1766.83 you might have trouble incorporating the screen . 1766.83 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1767.568 1768.096 1767.61 1768.05 Mm . 1768.05 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1768.496 1779.552 1768.52 1779.552 Um , but I guess not I thin we'll just we'll just pretend that's not a problem . Um uh and how are you about the glow in the dark material ? Is that 1769.64 1773.54 1779.23 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1780.16 1780.816 1780.19 1780.78 Um . 1780.78 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1780.848 1791.6 1781.12 1791.55 Maybe not even all of it 'cause we said um colours and fashion w were important so maybe um just like a little l line that's kind of around the outside and then you can make the rest a different colour . 1791.55 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1789.021 1789.931 1789.35 1789.68 Mm . 1789.68 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1790.912 1792.881 1790.96 1792.55 Contrast contra well . 1792.55 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1791.776 1804.048 1791.8 1804.01 Yeah , no th the material's cheap but it's just uh the the glow in the dark material needs some light to charge it you know , and then uh if you're , if you're sitting in the dark for too long it uh it won't glow any more . 1792.15 1799.22 1801.34 1804.01 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1798.7 1799.296 1798.9 1799.24 Mm-hmm . 1799.24 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1799.264 1800.032 1799.28 1799.99 Yeah , okay . 1799.59 1799.99 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1800.868 1809.552 1801.03 1809.552 So if it's dow it's d uh yeah . Or if it's down under the couch cushions um which is where I usually find mine . Um 1803.53 1807.7 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1805.392 1805.616 1805.41 1805.58 Right . 1805.58 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1807.104 1807.456 1807.13 1807.42 Mm-hmm . 1807.42 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1807.632 1808.451 1807.65 1808.39 Right . 1808.39 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1811.152 1821.568 1811.17 1821.45 Okay , well we can use we can still use the glow in the dark as a gimmick essentially , um if we're gonna have to if we're gonna have the logo on as well , bright yellow logo in our our um 1811.45 1815.26 1818.7 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1814.432 1816.48 1814.45 1816.48 Yeah , 'cause what I thought , main 1815.07 1816.04 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1824.016 1837.632 1824.1 1837.29 slogan . Uh then you know they're gonna be fairly brightly coloured anyway , and we can have sort of a a a trimming as well , of the glow in the dark material , just as gimmickyness . 1825.54 1829.96 1833.51 1834.6 1837.29 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1824.143 1825.152 1824.38 1825.12 Slogan , yeah . 1824.92 1825.12 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1829.929 1830.77 1830.07 1830.42 Right . 1830.42 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1833.6 1833.888 1833.62 1833.85 Mm-hmm . 1833.85 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1835.168 1844.368 1835.19 1844.33 'Cause yeah , that w more than finding it , that was more like you know if you're watching a film in the dark , you can um still see the remote control . 1835.88 1838.29 1841.52 1844.33 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1841.04 1841.44 1841.07 1841.39 Mm-hmm . 1841.39 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1841.996 1842.864 1842.31 1842.82 Mm-hmm . 1842.82 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1844.336 1858.912 1844.54 1858.84 Alright , so n sorta if if if we're gon if we're gonna go with the idea of um uh of feedback , sort of remote finder , then that kinda stuffs that one out then . 1844.88 1854.36 1855.92 1858.84 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1845.568 1847.705 1845.6 1847.56 That was more of a a gimmick . 1847.56 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1859.92 1860.352 1859.94 1860.25 Do you think ? 1860.25 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1861.296 1862.585 1861.33 1862.51 Mm . 1862.51 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1861.968 1887.984 1862.09 1887.984 Uh it makes it fairly unnecessary then . Okay . Um , okay so scratch that . Uh so we've got do we want to go with the T_F_T_ idea or the is that far too expensive ? Well I mean I think I think the sort of find the finder things I mean it's uh I could probably write the circuit diagram for that myself . Um 1864.18 1865.77 1866.87 1869.55 1879.29 1887.07 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1863.664 1865.04 1863.68 1865.01 Yeah , unnecessary . Yeah . 1864.16 1864.7 1865.01 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1874.784 1879.376 1874.784 1879.376 Um yeah we're getting a lot of features now , I I think 1877.79 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1886.736 1887.152 1886.76 1887.12 Yeah . 1887.12 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1888.496 1899.92 1888.52 1899.89 Well , I think a consideration too is that these uh remotes get abused a lot , you know they get thrown around , there's a good chance the the T_F_T_ screen would break or uh get damaged . They're pretty fragile . 1889.0 1892.73 1894.29 1898.94 1899.89 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1893.074 1894.001 1893.31 1893.89 Mm . 1893.89 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1897.152 1897.52 1897.18 1897.49 Mm-hmm . 1897.49 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1899.92 1904.931 1899.95 1904.74 So is that one of our definite requirements that they wa that it needs a T_F_T_ screen ? 1904.74 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1899.976 1900.948 1900.24 1900.82 Okay . 1900.82 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1903.824 1914.016 1904.17 1914.016 Um no , I mean that was going on ravs uh Raj's sort of um marketing research I guess . Um 1904.73 1911.77 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1915.696 1916.224 1915.77 1916.224 Uh - ES2005b C MEE017 2 1917.89 1923.568 1918.15 1923.49 So we'll stick with sort of programmability um for the buttons that we do have . 1923.49 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1924.576 1929.621 1924.63 1929.621 Um . 1929.57 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1931.488 1932.59 1931.51 1932.23 So that's sort of - ES2005b C MEE017 2 1933.456 1936.672 1933.48 1936.672 included in your sub-module kind of stuff , um 1935.91 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1936.464 1937.008 1936.48 1936.96 Yeah mm . 1936.96 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1941.12 1949.248 1942.0 1949.248 Uh you were finding out about teletext . If you could find out that uh 1945.76 ES2005b B MEO020 1 1946.048 1946.448 1946.21 1946.41 Yeah . 1946.41 ES2005b B MEO020 1 1949.2 1953.04 1949.22 1953.01 Totally , it takes cheap speech recognition , she they wi 1949.46 1951.66 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1951.648 1956.24 1951.67 1956.18 Um I think we're gonna scratch the speech recognition as a bit of a - ES2005b A MEE018 0 1955.727 1956.708 1956.1 1956.22 Oh . 1956.22 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1957.248 1959.664 1957.27 1959.63 um expensive , no ? 1959.32 1959.63 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1957.178 1958.112 1957.29 1958.08 Yeah you think so ? 1958.08 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1959.664 1965.248 1959.73 1965.2 Oh no it's it's much cheaper than the T_F_T_ , it's just a microphone and some some integrated circuits . 1961.99 1965.2 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1962.736 1963.488 1962.76 1963.41 Oh right , okay . 1963.1 1963.41 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1965.952 1967.906 1965.97 1967.906 Is it not the circuits that cost - ES2005b A MEE018 0 1966.074 1969.84 1966.2 1969.84 And it'd it'd be a small vocabulary speech recognition system , like a 1969.29 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1969.792 1979.808 1969.81 1979.7 Oh right , okay . Uh well that kind of takes back the R_F_ the R_F_ remote sort of idea as well . Um . 1970.17 1972.18 1978.8 1979.7 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1972.135 1972.954 1972.28 1972.65 Okay . 1972.65 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1981.28 1989.84 1981.28 1989.8 Five minutes . Okay . Decisions . Uh , votes , let's vote . Who wants T_F_T_ ? 1983.99 1985.49 1986.91 1987.18 1988.0 1988.65 1989.8 ES2005b C MEE017 2 1991.232 2000.704 1991.26 2000.64 No-one does . Excellent , so we'll go with speech recognition , yeah ? Um , speech recognition , limited buttons , organic design . 1992.16 1993.08 1994.95 1996.2 1997.23 1998.23 1999.54 2000.64 ES2005b B MEO020 1 1995.376 1995.696 1995.4 1995.66 Yeah . 1995.66 ES2005b D FEE019 3 1995.202 1996.854 1995.41 1996.52 Mm-hmm , that's cool . 1996.03 1996.52 ES2005b A MEE018 0 1995.68 1997.024 1995.86 1996.97 Okay . 1996.97 ES2005b D FEE019 3 2002.4 2003.376 2003.11 2003.34 Um - ES2005b C MEE017 2 2003.296 2008.016 2003.32 2007.85 And what else was I thinking of that I haven't written down and therefore fallen out my head , programmability . 2007.11 2007.85 ES2005b B MEO020 1 2012.032 2013.072 2012.07 2013.02 Glow in dark . 2013.02 ES2005b C MEE017 2 2013.776 2014.864 2014.23 2014.864 Uh - ES2005b D FEE019 3 2014.816 2017.468 2014.88 2017.18 if it's not too expensive s I think it's a good gimmick . 2017.18 ES2005b C MEE017 2 2015.898 2022.656 2015.898 2022.656 Uh o okay . And also , integrating the , remember to integrate the logo and the s slogan . 2018.06 2018.61 2019.64 2022.58 ES2005b A MEE018 0 2017.44 2018.91 2017.46 2018.91 Yeah . 2018.8 ES2005b D FEE019 3 2022.768 2023.328 2022.8 2023.28 Mm-hmm . 2023.28 ES2005b C MEE017 2 2023.968 2041.408 2023.99 2041.408 Okay , so . Um can you put all these reports in the project documents folder if they're not already in there as well . So , it just helps me summarize them . And um I'll put any I'm I'm putting anything I do in there anyway , so uh 2024.61 2026.81 2031.98 2032.17 2035.49 2040.56 ES2005b A MEE018 0 2033.118 2034.183 2033.21 2034.1 Yeah yeah . 2034.1 ES2005b B MEO020 1 2033.184 2034.784 2033.23 2034.68 Here ? Sure . 2034.17 2034.68 ES2005b D FEE019 3 2042.0 2043.472 2042.26 2043.44 And where is it sorry ? 2043.44 ES2005b C MEE017 2 2043.408 2045.376 2043.43 2045.29 Uh pro uh project documents . 2045.29 ES2005b C MEE017 2 2046.688 2047.44 2046.71 2047.26 On - ES2005b A MEE018 0 2046.739 2049.682 2046.739 2049.65 So it should be when you save - ES2005b C MEE017 2 2049.248 2050.96 2049.28 2050.71 A_M_I_ scenario controller . 2050.71 ES2005b A MEE018 0 2051.168 2054.144 2051.19 2054.144 on your desktop , so it goes save as , or 2052.1 2053.92 ES2005b D FEE019 3 2053.424 2054.394 2053.46 2054.23 Oh . 2054.23 ES2005b B MEO020 1 2054.08 2056.144 2054.35 2056.03 Uh it is in shared documents ? 2056.03 ES2005b A MEE018 0 2056.096 2060.585 2056.12 2060.32 And then uh hit that little folder up thing again . 2060.32 ES2005b C MEE017 2 2059.744 2063.488 2059.76 2063.42 Where am I ? Project documents , yeah , it's on your desktop as well . 2061.25 2062.12 2062.25 2063.42 ES2005b B MEO020 1 2060.64 2061.92 2060.89 2061.86 Projoct uh projector . 2061.86 ES2005b A MEE018 0 2061.374 2062.325 2061.63 2062.11 Again . 2062.11 ES2005b A MEE018 0 2063.008 2066.368 2063.03 2066.22 All the way to the top , yeah that's up to desktop . 2064.35 2066.22 ES2005b A MEE018 0 2068.544 2070.784 2068.59 2070.75 Right and then project documents . 2070.75 ES2005b D FEE019 3 2070.528 2071.408 2070.61 2071.37 Okay , cool . 2071.02 2071.37 ES2005b B MEO020 1 2071.776 2075.056 2071.8 2074.94 Hmm . It is not giving anything . 2072.93 2074.94 ES2005b B MEO020 1 2076.064 2078.528 2076.13 2078.32 Shared documents . 2078.32 ES2005b C MEE017 2 2078.736 2094.64 2078.76 2094.64 And I will tr getting strings of um information , I'll try and forward any specific to anybody in particular , as soon as I get them now , rather than I was about to sort of tell you about the changes before the meeting , and then the meeting turned up , so 2083.01 2088.0 2089.1 2092.56 2093.52 ES2005b D FEE019 3 2095.69 2096.411 2095.83 2096.13 Okay . 2096.13 ES2005b A MEE018 0 2096.48 2098.224 2096.5 2098.05 Mm . Did you get my email ? 2097.03 2098.05 ES2005b C MEE017 2 2098.752 2102.013 2098.79 2102.013 I did . 2101.79 ES2005b A MEE018 0 2098.889 2099.968 2099.28 2099.55 Okay . 2099.55 ES2005b A MEE018 0 2100.619 2101.456 2100.619 2101.42 Just making sure . 2101.42 ES2005b D FEE019 3 2111.936 2112.48 2111.96 2112.37 Okay . 2112.37 ES2005b D FEE019 3 2113.888 2139.95 2113.888 2139.95 What I thought as well about the material is um maybe not this kind of material , but maybe more like um this kind of rubbery material , it's a bit more bouncy , like you said they get chucked around a lot . Um , a bit more durable and that can also be ergonomic and it kind of feels a bit different from all the other remote controls . The rubber rather than 2119.18 2123.34 2125.28 2127.63 2129.08 2138.2 ES2005b C MEE017 2 2114.003 2115.026 2114.21 2115.026 So - ES2005b C MEE017 2 2131.712 2132.416 2131.85 2131.99 Okay . 2131.99 ES2005b C MEE017 2 2134.912 2136.192 2134.912 2135.97 Yeah . 2135.97 ES2005b A MEE018 0 2138.576 2138.864 2138.6 2138.83 Yeah . 2138.83 ES2005b C MEE017 2 2139.376 2140.576 2139.41 2140.54 More sort of um - ES2005b C MEE017 2 2142.448 2144.352 2142.53 2144.32 flesh-like than plasticky sort of . 2144.32 ES2005b D FEE019 3 2144.464 2145.488 2144.5 2145.43 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 2145.1 2145.43 ES2005b A MEE018 0 2146.848 2147.376 2146.94 2147.34 Wow . 2147.34 ES2005b B MEO020 1 2147.3 2149.573 2147.52 2149.573 Um but we have to take care like - ES2005b B MEO020 1 2151.12 2164.16 2151.15 2164.12 But we have to take care of our children also if they means if children catch hold of your or if they chew it it shouldn't be too harmful . So , whatever material we use it should be yeah . 2160.22 2160.99 2164.12 ES2005b C MEE017 2 2162.464 2166.157 2162.49 2166.157 Oh no , ethics , that's gonna cost us money . 2162.93 2163.7 2165.57 ES2005b B MEO020 1 2165.52 2169.648 2165.54 2169.61 So we have to safety point of view also , we have to take care . 2168.77 2169.61 ES2005b C MEE017 2 2168.366 2169.968 2168.62 2169.52 Okay , safety . 2169.1 2169.52 ES2005b D FEE019 3 2169.936 2180.336 2169.96 2180.336 Oh I think wi with the more organic shape of it it won't be as it won't as have many sharp corners as that , so that's something good , um 2177.39 2179.53 ES2005b C MEE017 2 2178.239 2179.182 2178.7 2179.01 Yeah . 2179.01 ES2005b D FEE019 3 2182.112 2183.12 2182.13 2183.12 I dunno , I mean 2182.86 ES2005b C MEE017 2 2182.589 2185.936 2182.66 2185.936 It sme smells good for children . 2185.78 ES2005b A MEE018 0 2182.656 2189.76 2182.68 2189.73 We could go comp yeah . We could go completely out of the box and make the thing a big red ball foam ball . 2184.99 2189.73 ES2005b B MEO020 1 2184.8 2185.088 2184.82 2185.05 Yeah . 2185.05 ES2005b A MEE018 0 2190.116 2196.784 2190.21 2196.67 And it's got the thing on the inside . And there's no buttons at all , it's always on , and just yell at it , and it works . 2192.37 2193.6 2194.63 2196.07 2196.67 ES2005b D FEE019 3 2195.712 2199.649 2196.03 2199.4 That's a good idea . Interesting . 2198.54 2199.4 ES2005b C MEE017 2 2196.185 2203.424 2196.185 2203.39 That sounds , yeah it's gonna have to be it's gonna be have a big yellow foam ball , yeah , sorry . 2198.15 2202.45 2203.01 2203.39 ES2005b A MEE018 0 2197.808 2200.288 2197.93 2200.288 And then ch children will love it . 2200.12 ES2005b A MEE018 0 2201.584 2203.487 2201.6 2203.43 Oh yellow , yellow ball . Right . 2202.26 2203.02 2203.43 ES2005b D FEE019 3 2202.256 2207.809 2202.28 2207.57 Yeah , d with the colour , um does it have to be all yellow , do you know ? 2202.79 2204.5 2207.1 2207.57 ES2005b C MEE017 2 2207.408 2217.392 2207.43 2217.36 Please God no . Um . Well , I wouldn't th I mean , my reaction to an all-yellow remote control wouldn't be anything other than horror , so I think just having it 2208.94 2210.07 2210.27 2211.76 2216.11 ES2005b D FEE019 3 2208.89 2209.55 2208.98 2209.47 No . 2209.47 ES2005b D FEE019 3 2216.24 2216.768 2216.26 2216.73 Yeah . 2216.73 ES2005b B MEO020 1 2217.92 2224.416 2217.94 2224.28 Small logo with the like a small yellow strip or y yellow with the logo in it . 2224.28 ES2005b D FEE019 3 2218.013 2220.703 2218.03 2220.37 Having a little bit . Okay cool . 2219.73 2220.37 ES2005b C MEE017 2 2217.894 2219.52 2218.25 2219.49 surrounding the logo . 2219.49 ES2005b D FEE019 3 2222.928 2224.112 2222.95 2223.86 Mm mm . 2223.86 ES2005b C MEE017 2 2224.055 2224.608 2224.34 2224.57 Yeah . 2224.57 ES2005b D FEE019 3 2224.528 2226.0 2224.55 2225.93 Mm-hmm , okay . 2225.61 2225.93 ES2005b D FEE019 3 2227.568 2227.984 2227.59 2227.95 Cool . 2227.95 ES2005b C MEE017 2 2227.904 2234.768 2227.92 2234.768 And I'll see if I can argue with boss about putting the what was it ? We put we put fashion into 2231.91 ES2005b C MEE017 2 2236.608 2238.048 2236.69 2237.98 Whoops , it's not working . 2237.4 2237.98 ES2005b C MEE017 2 2239.648 2249.888 2239.72 2249.85 Can't believe I've forgotten it . We put the fashion in electronics . I bet that'll catch on well . Okay , any last 2241.12 2243.21 2248.64 2248.96 ES2005b D FEE019 3 2242.864 2245.705 2242.88 2245.54 Oh yeah , that's a good one that . Yeah so . 2243.06 2244.56 2245.54 ES2005b B MEO020 1 2250.496 2251.024 2250.52 2250.92 Yeah . 2250.92 ES2005b C MEE017 2 2251.36 2252.576 2251.38 2252.46 worries , queries ? 2251.73 2252.46 ES2005b A MEE018 0 2251.854 2253.408 2251.854 2253.33 Twelve thirty . 2253.33 ES2005b C MEE017 2 2254.128 2264.448 2254.15 2264.07 Okay . S s I know what you're thinking . Okay then , lunchtime , yay . 2255.63 2262.58 2263.17 2263.91 2264.07 ES2005b B MEO020 1 2257.232 2257.552 2257.34 2257.51 Hmm . 2257.51 ES2005b B MEO020 1 2265.632 2266.576 2265.65 2266.45 That's good . 2266.45 ES2005b C MEE017 2 2266.8 2274.288 2267.49 2273.48 Okay , that felt a bit more like a something with order and and reason to it than the last one . 2267.77 2273.48 ES2005b C MEE017 2 2276.16 2277.216 2276.18 2277.14 This is quite fun actually . 2277.14 ES2005b D FEE019 3 2277.136 2284.208 2277.16 2284.17 Wow . Has anybo oh . Has anybody pressed okay , it vibrates . It's pretty cool . 2278.84 2280.05 2281.59 2282.39 2284.17 ES2005b A MEE018 0 2278.192 2278.528 2278.23 2278.47 Mm . 2278.47 ES2005b C MEE017 2 2279.904 2280.656 2279.93 2280.656 I really don't - ES2005b C MEE017 2 2283.056 2290.976 2283.08 2290.976 Yeah , yeah . Wow you've your first page . I was just writing really big . 2283.57 2285.22 2286.56 2290.58 ES2005b A MEE018 0 2283.495 2284.312 2283.7 2284.15 Yep . 2284.15 ES2005b B MEO020 1 2284.72 2285.642 2284.75 2285.45 Check here . 2285.45 ES2005b D FEE019 3 2286.8 2288.656 2286.82 2288.62 Yeah , got small writing . 2287.65 2288.62 ES2005b A MEE018 0 2287.056 2291.296 2287.056 2290.75 Yeah I've been using up the pages . 2290.75 ES2005b D FEE019 3 2291.632 2292.864 2291.67 2292.83 I don't wanna waste it . 2292.83 ES2005b C MEE017 2 2293.056 2295.296 2293.15 2294.46 I've finished the meeting now . 2294.46 ES2005b A MEE018 0 2296.048 2298.24 2296.048 2298.2 Another questionnaire . 2298.2 ES2005b C MEE017 2 2296.352 2299.04 2296.37 2298.89 Oh , everybody needs k questionnaire . 2296.96 2298.89 ES2005c C MEE017 2 32.176 45.234 32.23 45.14 Um we are So the meeting will have about the same format as the last time . So switching over I've just left uh my first two screens . Um I have 37.02 41.86 ES2005c D FEE019 3 39.888 40.384 39.92 40.29 Mm-hmm . 40.29 ES2005c C MEE017 2 45.984 58.576 46.0 58.5 mailed you the minutes of the last meeting uh just to save time . Um and is there any questions you have that arised from last meeting that 52.97 ES2005c D FEE019 3 51.25 52.8 51.36 52.77 Okay . Cool . 51.97 52.77 ES2005c C MEE017 2 60.474 62.01 60.77 61.84 are particularly bothering you ? 61.84 ES2005c D FEE019 3 63.085 66.112 63.15 66.08 Mm um . No , I don't think so . 65.05 65.28 66.08 ES2005c C MEE017 2 63.539 64.186 63.62 64.13 N - ES2005c C MEE017 2 66.032 71.681 66.05 71.54 No ? Okay , cool . Then we shall start with a presentation from Raj . 66.31 66.72 67.78 71.54 ES2005c A MEE018 0 67.52 67.808 67.54 67.76 No . 67.76 ES2005c B MEO020 1 71.44 72.096 71.64 72.04 Yeah . 72.04 ES2005c B MEO020 1 73.888 91.616 73.888 91.48 Hi , me Raj , again . Uh in this meeting I I'm going to discuss about the trend watching , uh how these trends is going to affect our market potential and how important is this . So we have to look on this . 77.31 77.73 78.7 84.18 89.49 91.48 ES2005c B MEO020 1 92.811 113.616 92.92 113.39 First of all methodology . The met methodology to find out the trend was incl uh was done in a way We have done a rec not only a recent remote control market survey , but we also considered the latest fre fashion trends of the market , because we think that this is also a factor which will affect our sales and profit . 94.67 104.75 108.88 113.39 ES2005c B MEO020 1 115.2 169.216 115.25 169.13 So what are our findings ? In our uh in our findings we have seen that when we did our remote control market survey we found that uh people l uh people do have preference for tho fancy mobi uh f remote controls which look and feel very good , rather than having a functional look and feel uh good . So this sh this clearly indicates their preference for the design their outlook of the remote controls . So we should take into uh we should consider this factor as the most important factor , because this factor is twice as important , the second factor which is further ti twice the as important as the sec as uh the third factor . So this factor becomes the most important factor in our surv uh uh in our mark uh means in take in designing our rem uh remote controls . 117.58 134.49 138.23 144.46 149.95 153.18 158.91 169.13 ES2005c D FEE019 3 169.408 172.394 169.43 172.26 The last one is the most important one , is it ? Oh , sorry . 171.12 171.62 171.74 172.26 ES2005c B MEO020 1 171.104 212.608 171.16 212.56 No the first one is the uh the outlook of the mobile , the it should have a fancy outlook , the fancy design uh rather than just having a functional look and feel good , it should have a fancy look and foo feel good . The second most important aspect is that remote control should be a technologically uh innovative . We must have some technological advancement in the remote control tha rather than just putting it as it is as the other remo uh remote controls are . So it uh should be technologically innovative like glow-in-the-dark or speech recognition , something like that . So that indicates our technological advancement . 175.1 177.79 183.84 186.85 192.71 201.36 207.36 208.55 212.56 ES2005c D FEE019 3 177.251 177.712 177.27 177.67 Okay . 177.67 ES2005c D FEE019 3 179.168 180.816 179.2 180.31 Okay . 180.31 ES2005c D FEE019 3 212.352 213.413 212.38 212.98 Mm-hmm . 212.98 ES2005c B MEO020 1 212.608 242.448 212.63 242.4 And the third most important aspect in the ta to take into consideration is that it should be easy to use , like it shouldn't be too much co complicated , there shouldn't be too many buttons on this mobi uh remote control , it shouldn't be too complicated uh like this way . And it should be uh and customers should be provided with manuals that is easy to understand in their local language , something . So that they could know how to use these remote controls . 221.09 223.59 227.07 231.04 237.59 238.57 242.4 ES2005c D FEE019 3 220.864 221.339 220.89 221.13 Mm-hmm . 221.13 ES2005c B MEO020 1 245.04 251.648 245.07 251.648 When we did uh f fashions uh , recent fashion uh our recent fashion update shows that 248.15 ES2005c D FEE019 3 251.728 260.659 251.728 260.659 Sorry . I was just reading fruit and vegetables . Hard to know how we are going to incorporate that . 254.52 257.29 259.56 ES2005c B MEO020 1 254.086 257.584 254.35 257.584 Ah yeah ? 257.42 ES2005c B MEO020 1 258.623 285.552 259.33 285.52 Y yeah uh yeah , we have to , because uh d you can see how people have related their clothes , shoes , and everything with fruits and vegetables , because the g world is now changing it's trend towards organic , becoming more and more organic , becoming Yeah . So Yeah . So something like that we we should do . 261.88 262.54 266.61 267.13 269.54 273.81 275.81 279.46 282.71 285.52 ES2005c D FEE019 3 273.568 275.019 273.6 274.98 Okay . Yeah . 274.51 274.98 ES2005c A MEE018 0 275.802 281.152 275.82 281.11 We should make a big sponge lemon , and then it'd be it would be yellow . It's Yeah . 277.55 279.78 281.11 ES2005c D FEE019 3 277.552 282.224 277.57 282.18 Yeah . Th that's very good . 279.72 282.18 ES2005c D FEE019 3 283.007 284.378 283.15 284.09 Glow-in-the-dark . 284.09 ES2005c D FEE019 3 286.08 286.736 286.1 286.7 Okay . 286.7 ES2005c B MEO020 1 286.992 308.817 287.01 308.817 And people uh the f feel of the material is expected to be spongy rather than just having a plastic look , hard look . Yeah . Yeah . So so that they could play with it while handi uh while handling it . So that should also be taken into consideration . So these are my views . So 294.07 295.7 296.62 297.73 302.7 306.39 308.31 ES2005c D FEE019 3 294.768 298.637 294.83 298.44 Well , that's good . That's what we kind of predicted anyway . 294.99 295.49 298.44 ES2005c A MEE018 0 295.072 297.088 295.15 297.088 Mm . 296.47 ES2005c D FEE019 3 302.224 302.8 302.38 302.77 Okay . 302.77 ES2005c D FEE019 3 304.428 304.944 304.45 304.88 Okay . 304.88 ES2005c D FEE019 3 306.366 307.116 306.47 306.87 Okay . 306.87 ES2005c D FEE019 3 308.192 316.785 308.21 316.56 Okay , the spongy , not real spongy , you can Do you think like rubber would be good or does it really want to be like gel kind of stuff ? 308.45 309.89 311.17 316.56 ES2005c B MEO020 1 311.792 335.888 311.83 335.888 No it ca y a The rubber which is good for health and which is quite disposable that we can take into co Yeah . 'Cause we It shouldn't be have any harm to the environment also , because our company is very well for taking all these concerns into consideration , so we don't want to have any harm to the society , so 321.94 325.16 330.64 334.48 ES2005c D FEE019 3 319.664 322.335 319.68 322.2 Okay . Quite disposable . Okay . 320.34 321.73 322.2 ES2005c D FEE019 3 324.741 326.031 325.09 325.96 Oh okay . 325.96 ES2005c C MEE017 2 325.067 326.377 325.43 325.97 Alright , okay . 325.79 325.97 ES2005c D FEE019 3 330.512 331.245 330.54 331.07 Uh-huh . 331.07 ES2005c D FEE019 3 333.904 334.48 333.92 334.45 Okay . 334.45 ES2005c C MEE017 2 335.807 336.851 336.05 336.29 Fashion . 336.29 ES2005c D FEE019 3 339.136 339.696 339.16 339.51 Cool . 339.51 ES2005c C MEE017 2 339.177 352.592 339.177 352.592 Mm 'kay . Fruit and veg , well there you go . Just what I think of when I think of a remote control . 342.29 343.69 345.14 352.39 ES2005c B MEO020 1 340.288 346.048 340.45 346.048 So that's all . 345.53 ES2005c D FEE019 3 345.52 349.089 345.81 348.99 Mm . A remote control ? Yeah . 347.07 348.54 348.99 ES2005c D FEE019 3 354.899 360.98 355.27 360.87 And were there any factors that weren't important in the survey , that they said we don't want ? 358.55 360.87 ES2005c B MEO020 1 361.056 371.504 361.08 371.504 S uh we didn't find out any such point . Uh yes , there could be , but we couldn't find out any , so 365.69 366.93 367.48 370.08 ES2005c D FEE019 3 362.364 365.424 362.48 365.424 Or was it just Okay . 365.04 ES2005c C MEE017 2 366.04 367.662 366.27 366.95 Mm-mm-mm-mm . 366.95 ES2005c D FEE019 3 369.634 370.24 369.75 370.16 Cool . 370.16 ES2005c C MEE017 2 374.058 375.695 375.14 375.61 Mm-mm-mm-mm-mm . 375.61 ES2005c D FEE019 3 376.784 379.504 376.8 379.32 F_ , what is it ? Um . 378.05 378.8 379.32 ES2005c C MEE017 2 379.68 380.516 379.7 380.39 Function F_ eight . 380.39 ES2005c D FEE019 3 383.696 384.8 383.696 384.67 yeah . 384.67 ES2005c C MEE017 2 385.664 385.937 385.68 385.82 Hmm . 385.82 ES2005c D FEE019 3 386.864 387.504 386.88 387.47 Okay . 387.47 ES2005c B MEO020 1 388.304 390.055 388.33 390.055 Yeah . 389.86 ES2005c D FEE019 3 393.207 394.048 393.47 394.01 No signal . 394.01 ES2005c B MEO020 1 392.704 395.728 393.76 395.63 Oh no , . 395.63 395.63 ES2005c D FEE019 3 398.493 399.757 398.63 399.55 Is that ? 399.55 ES2005c A MEE018 0 399.657 401.472 399.82 401.43 No , it's got it's got it . 400.04 401.43 ES2005c B MEO020 1 399.952 407.347 399.97 407.347 Yeah , uh yeah , uh yeah . Yeah . 400.24 400.75 404.15 407.28 ES2005c C MEE017 2 404.022 406.32 404.022 406.23 Excuse me . 406.23 ES2005c D FEE019 3 404.96 406.88 404.98 406.81 Okay , and then F_ five , right ? 405.72 406.5 406.81 ES2005c C MEE017 2 408.144 409.98 408.16 409.83 Uh , yeah . 408.6 409.83 ES2005c D FEE019 3 409.028 410.96 409.33 410.93 Okay . Um 410.32 ES2005c D FEE019 3 412.0 416.064 412.02 416.01 okay , so the interface concept um . 412.78 416.01 ES2005c D FEE019 3 417.584 450.4 417.74 449.96 Yeah . The interface specification , what people um how they interact with it basically , I think . Um so the method , we looked at existing designs , what are the what's good about them , what's bad about them , um I looked at their flaws , so we're going to look at their flaws , everything . Um and what the survey told us and what we think would be good , so a bit of imagination . Uh the findings , I've got some pictures to show you as well . Yeah . 418.69 420.64 424.19 425.85 427.56 429.44 431.21 432.65 434.26 435.27 436.31 442.9 445.48 446.71 449.43 449.96 ES2005c C MEE017 2 444.592 445.136 444.62 445.06 Mm 'kay . 445.06 ES2005c C MEE017 2 446.2 450.752 446.2 450.752 either . 450.57 ES2005c B MEO020 1 449.676 450.113 449.78 449.96 Hmm . 449.96 ES2005c D FEE019 3 450.928 486.24 450.928 486.21 Okay , so most remote controls use graphical interface , where you um have got s buttons and you point it rather than having the output as a a stream of text or something . Um and we also found that there's inconsistent layout , which makes it confusing . So I think for our remote control There is some inconsistency already in ec existing in between remote controls , but I think standard kind of um shape and uh play and those kind of but buttons like the the top right for on and off or something , I think , people find that important,'cause then it's easy to use . 451.33 453.5 462.87 466.11 467.64 473.58 483.41 483.97 486.21 ES2005c C MEE017 2 462.0 462.56 462.03 462.51 Uh okay . 462.51 ES2005c C MEE017 2 483.712 484.887 483.73 484.84 Right , okay . Yeah . 484.01 484.51 484.84 ES2005c D FEE019 3 487.408 495.013 487.43 495.013 And we've got some pictures of some uh new remote controls to show you . Do I press Escape F_ five ? Or just 491.78 494.26 ES2005c C MEE017 2 491.655 492.92 491.81 492.5 Excellent . 492.5 ES2005c C MEE017 2 494.08 495.2 494.1 495.01 Uh no just escape - ES2005c D FEE019 3 495.728 496.656 495.8 496.62 Escape , okay . 496.24 496.62 ES2005c C MEE017 2 495.846 497.197 495.87 497.197 should uh - ES2005c D FEE019 3 497.776 540.304 497.8 540.304 Um , oh I still haven't got my glasses on . Yeah , okay . So these are the some of the pictures of existing ones . I'll just walk you through them . This one is a voice recognition . And that's the kind of idea we're going for . There's um an L_C_D_ thing , which we thought could I thought could get a bit confusing and a bit expensive as well for us . This one is got a kind of scroll like a mouse , which Yeah . Um and But I'm not exactly sure how you'd use that , like would the computer come 498.64 501.35 501.68 502.46 508.08 509.83 513.59 516.78 518.83 526.22 531.26 533.98 538.03 ES2005c A MEE018 0 507.632 508.56 507.83 508.31 Wow . 508.31 ES2005c C MEE017 2 513.392 514.135 513.71 513.93 'Kay . 513.93 ES2005c C MEE017 2 515.368 516.832 515.4 516.76 Looks pretty complicated . 516.76 ES2005c C MEE017 2 524.704 525.392 524.76 525.35 Right , okay . 524.96 525.35 ES2005c C MEE017 2 530.528 532.352 530.55 532.32 Mm-hmm , like the middle button . 531.59 532.32 ES2005c C MEE017 2 533.376 533.76 533.4 533.73 Okay . 533.73 ES2005c C MEE017 2 538.432 553.176 538.45 553.14 Ah it's kinda like scrolling uh right , well , if I s if I'm thinking of the right one , I've got the same thing in front of my monitor , you scroll it and the when you reach the sort of um menu item that you require , you press the middle of the scroll . Right , okay . 540.85 541.39 543.01 544.51 549.72 552.46 552.71 553.14 ES2005c D FEE019 3 550.448 560.944 550.47 560.79 Uh-huh , that's like the L_C_D_ one , is it ? But the one below that has got like a little scroll function on the side . But I presume that the functions must come up on the T_V_ screen . 550.74 552.39 553.17 557.1 560.79 ES2005c C MEE017 2 561.296 562.671 561.32 562.62 Yeah , presumably . 562.01 562.62 ES2005c B MEO020 1 561.746 562.891 561.746 562.6 Yeah . 562.6 ES2005c D FEE019 3 561.936 570.416 561.96 570.38 I think that's what that is . So these are just a few ideas . Again that's just quite boring shape , grey , looks quite space-agey , but too many buttons , I think on that one . 563.48 564.99 566.74 567.27 568.3 569.35 570.38 ES2005c C MEE017 2 569.696 575.07 569.72 575.07 Yeah , looks like uh looks like something out of a jet . 570.14 574.86 ES2005c A MEE018 0 569.504 571.344 569.9 570.86 Uh it looks threatening . 570.86 ES2005c D FEE019 3 571.456 574.061 571.48 573.97 Yeah , it does look kind of dangerous . 572.34 573.97 ES2005c A MEE018 0 573.232 576.192 573.232 575.19 It looks like yeah . 575.19 ES2005c B MEO020 1 574.512 574.864 574.63 574.83 Hmm . 574.83 ES2005c D FEE019 3 574.511 596.353 574.63 596.353 Um this one I thought was really cool . It's w it's got the programmability function that we talked about . You can put it in there , it's for your kids , and it's quite an organic shape and the little circle around there is pretty cool . And that's really easy to use , bright , so I like this one lot for our design . I think something like that would be good . Of course yellow . 576.55 579.62 581.03 581.8 587.43 589.37 589.78 592.78 595.18 596.19 ES2005c C MEE017 2 587.104 587.773 587.12 587.52 Okay . 587.52 ES2005c A MEE018 0 594.816 595.232 594.84 595.14 Wow . 595.14 ES2005c C MEE017 2 594.866 611.024 594.89 610.99 Yeah , I m I mean the one thing I think about about these ones is um these kl uh secured areas um , I've seen a lot of them with the the cover missing . So like have it hinge rather than sort of clip on or whatever . 595.35 603.83 608.22 610.99 ES2005c D FEE019 3 607.984 608.544 608.0 608.51 Right , yeah . 608.24 608.51 ES2005c D FEE019 3 610.096 627.154 610.12 627.05 Yeah , that's true . Yeah . Um so maybe that could be built into one of the things and it comes up on the T_V_ or something . And this one , the over-sized one , I don't know about you , but I think it's a bit too gimmicky . I don't think that will sell very well . 610.58 611.28 612.58 618.57 619.06 620.94 621.77 624.04 627.05 ES2005c C MEE017 2 622.08 630.336 622.08 630.336 Yeah . I mean is that not sort of to assist the blind or something , is it ? 625.73 628.28 629.87 ES2005c D FEE019 3 629.029 633.176 629.029 633.176 I guess so . I don't know . I think that's a bit 630.81 631.91 ES2005c C MEE017 2 631.879 633.799 632.16 633.799 Strange . 633.6 ES2005c A MEE018 0 631.938 639.712 632.25 639.712 Then d blind don't watch T_V_ . They do ? 636.62 638.82 ES2005c D FEE019 3 633.651 669.376 633.651 669.34 Yeah exactly . Yeah . And um this one is just pointing out . I like some of these things um the the raised symbols and everything , but pointing out um that this one the volume it is kind of pressing down , but it would actually go up , because of the shape . So that could that's a bit confusing . Um but the buttons on this I think are it's just showing you how you can have different different um buttons . They don't have to be all the same . So that's quite cool . Um . 637.47 638.72 643.12 647.75 652.71 654.19 654.92 657.31 665.23 667.18 668.24 669.34 ES2005c C MEE017 2 634.993 638.146 635.31 638.0 No they do , they do . They listen to it . Yeah . 636.22 636.42 637.35 638.0 ES2005c C MEE017 2 654.352 655.5 654.37 655.41 Right , okay . 654.59 655.41 ES2005c C MEE017 2 668.225 673.749 668.57 673.39 'Kay but people tend to recognise certain shapes to do certain things anyway , don't they ? 672.86 673.39 ES2005c D FEE019 3 672.656 676.848 672.68 676.6 Yeah , exactly . Um F_ five . Yes . 673.1 674.17 676.3 676.6 ES2005c D FEE019 3 677.92 714.018 678.04 713.96 So there are some of the findings . So we need to combine those ones um and I've just got an e-mail from our technical department saying that they have broken through with some new speech recognition software that you can program in . Um yeah it is , just in time , very handy . Um so I think maybe incorporating that in our design would be good . It's you program it like you say , record , um and then , play , and then , record , play machine , and stuff like that , so that's And it's much Yeah . 679.16 694.5 695.57 696.26 697.46 702.54 704.81 706.13 707.0 707.73 708.29 709.7 710.27 710.79 713.96 ES2005c C MEE017 2 692.369 693.056 692.62 693.02 Brilliant . 693.02 ES2005c C MEE017 2 694.144 697.673 694.16 697.673 That's handy . 697.19 ES2005c C MEE017 2 702.814 703.658 702.91 703.31 Okay . 703.31 ES2005c D FEE019 3 714.557 730.496 714.69 730.496 So that's quite cool . Uh personal preferences just some imagination , the raised symbols I thought were good , the L_C_D_ , it does look smart , but I think maybe for our budget , do you think that would be a bit too expensive to have the 716.68 719.22 721.53 722.61 723.64 725.45 ES2005c A MEE018 0 731.104 734.49 731.14 734.26 The L_C_D_ and the other stuff uh , I think . 733.75 734.26 ES2005c D FEE019 3 732.064 732.592 732.08 732.56 Yeah . 732.56 ES2005c D FEE019 3 734.192 737.696 734.21 737.66 And the speech recognition , 'cause I think we're definitely going for the speech recognition , are we ? 735.37 737.39 737.66 ES2005c B MEO020 1 737.616 767.888 737.64 767.82 But in our market survey we have seen that people are willing to pay more , but they want the quality , they want f fancy look , they want some new design , something new . Uh yeah . Yeah . So even if we increase our cost little bit , within uh some limits , and we give something new technological advancement as well as new design with fancy outlook , I think we will meet the requirements and we will be able to have a good sales in the market . 742.13 743.26 744.48 745.93 747.19 748.93 749.64 753.39 755.01 761.4 767.82 ES2005c D FEE019 3 742.061 742.842 742.25 742.76 Uh-huh . 742.76 ES2005c C MEE017 2 746.118 746.77 746.4 746.61 Okay . 746.61 ES2005c D FEE019 3 746.704 749.68 746.74 749.65 Uh-huh . But our budget , we've Yeah . 747.23 748.5 749.65 ES2005c C MEE017 2 747.68 750.606 747.7 750.53 It's still it's still got to get within our twelve fifty , you know . 750.05 750.53 ES2005c D FEE019 3 760.992 761.424 761.01 761.39 Uh-huh . 761.39 ES2005c D FEE019 3 766.16 766.704 766.18 766.67 Okay . 766.67 ES2005c D FEE019 3 767.872 775.2 767.89 774.89 I'm not sure if the if for twenty five Euros uh per uh twelve Euros fifty m manufacturing cost , . 774.89 774.89 ES2005c C MEE017 2 767.845 768.619 768.05 768.5 Okay . 768.5 ES2005c A MEE018 0 768.544 770.144 768.56 769.65 Ben bana - ES2005c C MEE017 2 773.264 773.727 773.28 773.68 Yeah . 773.68 ES2005c C MEE017 2 775.408 785.744 775.46 785.744 I can't see tha Although , th I mean to be to be sure they have got I mean they are going crazy with the L_C_D_ technology now , so that you've got your L_C_D_ T_V_s and everything so maybe the small 776.52 782.08 ES2005c D FEE019 3 777.056 778.283 777.08 777.98 The L_C_D_ . 777.98 ES2005c D FEE019 3 786.336 787.056 786.36 787.02 Yeah . 787.02 ES2005c C MEE017 2 786.394 799.92 786.42 799.89 But I mean like I I the black and white , I guess , it just doesn't look funky enough . Um but , I mean , like even mobile phones or whatever have now have colour L_C_D_ screens , w I ju I mean I wouldn't know about the costs of them . 789.14 789.58 791.44 793.32 793.57 797.27 799.89 ES2005c D FEE019 3 791.296 791.819 791.32 791.72 No . 791.72 ES2005c D FEE019 3 797.392 798.311 797.41 798.16 Yeah . S 797.88 ES2005c A MEE018 0 797.526 798.368 797.73 798.19 Hmm . 798.19 ES2005c D FEE019 3 801.2 801.632 801.29 801.6 Uh-huh . 801.6 ES2005c A MEE018 0 801.87 808.272 801.89 808.09 But uh price price not withstanding um , is it too complicated , is it gonna be too much just overload ? 804.93 806.11 808.09 ES2005c C MEE017 2 801.895 802.899 802.05 802.67 Twelve fifty . 802.67 ES2005c B MEO020 1 801.943 803.152 802.22 803.152 And the - ES2005c B MEO020 1 808.192 817.6 808.22 817.21 Uh i it will be easy because there will be , on L_C_D_ s screen , there will be different frent icons , they can just click ok okay , whatever they wa 811.48 812.79 814.74 816.31 ES2005c C MEE017 2 808.436 810.424 808.436 810.06 Possibly . 810.06 ES2005c D FEE019 3 808.464 810.346 808.48 810.346 Yeah , that's the thing , because 808.76 809.42 ES2005c A MEE018 0 815.27 827.152 815.3 826.81 But but the thing is when you use a remote control , you never look at it , right ? You're looking at the T_V_ and and it's uh It just seems kind of like a a needless th 818.78 819.81 820.48 ES2005c C MEE017 2 819.984 820.425 820.0 820.34 Yeah . 820.34 ES2005c D FEE019 3 820.992 821.491 821.01 821.36 Yeah . 821.36 ES2005c C MEE017 2 821.783 822.412 821.85 822.31 Yeah . 822.31 ES2005c D FEE019 3 821.828 822.672 821.91 822.64 That's true , yeah . 822.34 822.64 ES2005c D FEE019 3 825.68 844.288 825.7 844.25 And one of the survey findings was that they want it easy to use , so I think I'm not sure about the L_C_D_ . It's a it's great , it's a good idea , but for our budget and for the thing we're trying to go for eas easy to use , it's not the thing we should go for , I think . Child-friendly , I thought this was good , as you pointed out the um 829.09 831.44 832.12 832.64 837.54 839.31 840.29 840.99 842.31 ES2005c C MEE017 2 829.291 829.937 829.36 829.68 Right . 829.68 ES2005c D FEE019 3 845.063 855.776 845.063 855.68 the bit , it often goes missing especially with children , but it's a good shape and the organic is kind of we could make a vegetabley kind of round shape , I think . 846.66 848.97 855.21 855.68 ES2005c C MEE017 2 854.421 868.912 854.421 868.912 Yeah . Well I mean we could make a Yeah . Well , si since we're going for the uh the k the sort of company colours , I think your lemon wasn't that far s And if it doesn't work you know , we've just made a lemon . 856.59 858.6 858.75 862.03 866.28 868.72 ES2005c A MEE018 0 856.139 860.816 856.16 860.816 So which vegetable ? Okay . 858.85 860.6 ES2005c D FEE019 3 857.057 859.534 857.13 859.33 Yeah , I know , carrot . 857.45 857.68 859.33 ES2005c A MEE018 0 863.271 865.568 863.32 865.37 The the lemon . Well what are the options ? 864.45 865.37 ES2005c D FEE019 3 863.952 864.576 863.97 864.54 Yeah . 864.54 ES2005c D FEE019 3 866.208 875.983 866.23 875.95 But we don't want it to be Yeah . Um the child-friendly , yeah . Easy to use , it seems quite easy to use . I like the d the different shapes of the buttons and stuff . I think that's a good idea to go for . 868.49 869.63 870.32 870.96 871.86 874.49 875.95 ES2005c C MEE017 2 873.824 876.944 873.85 876.91 Mm-hmm . I like I like the colourful buttons as well . 874.74 876.91 ES2005c D FEE019 3 876.896 885.536 876.92 885.5 Yeah . And the mouse one , I thought it was a good idea , because people use mo mice mouses now with the scrolling thing . Um . 877.49 878.9 879.91 885.09 885.5 ES2005c C MEE017 2 884.096 884.626 884.12 884.44 Yeah . 884.44 ES2005c C MEE017 2 885.456 890.352 885.48 890.32 I mean we are marketing to sort of twenty five to thirty five , so most people 889.25 ES2005c D FEE019 3 888.448 889.04 888.63 889.01 Yeah . 889.01 ES2005c C MEE017 2 891.616 894.464 891.64 894.43 will have come in contact with that kind of use . 894.43 ES2005c D FEE019 3 892.901 901.168 892.94 901.13 S yeah . So they'd be able to use that um , as I said I think i I'd presume it would come up on the screen . Um so there you go . 894.55 896.1 899.18 901.13 ES2005c C MEE017 2 898.688 899.136 898.71 899.07 Yeah . 899.07 ES2005c C MEE017 2 900.567 905.648 900.75 905.648 And that means tha that means you get to bump that bit to the T_V_ maker , so 903.96 ES2005c D FEE019 3 904.592 904.976 904.7 904.89 Yeah . 904.89 ES2005c A MEE018 0 906.032 906.608 906.08 906.3 Oh . 906.3 ES2005c D FEE019 3 906.848 909.824 906.98 909.79 So that's um the user interface - ES2005c C MEE017 2 910.533 911.329 910.67 911.14 'Kay . 911.14 ES2005c D FEE019 3 911.088 912.016 911.38 911.8 design . 911.8 ES2005c D FEE019 3 914.453 916.528 914.67 916.46 So okay , I'll take this out now then . 915.33 916.46 ES2005c A MEE018 0 914.528 915.152 914.68 915.08 Okay . 915.08 ES2005c A MEE018 0 925.265 927.28 925.63 927.25 Um so - ES2005c D FEE019 3 926.496 927.84 926.53 927.79 There you go . 927.79 ES2005c A MEE018 0 928.784 932.768 928.8 932.72 I guess there are a lot of options that we're gonna have to choose from among , 932.72 ES2005c C MEE017 2 933.52 934.999 933.54 934.88 Yeah , looks like it . 934.2 934.88 ES2005c A MEE018 0 934.08 941.808 934.11 941.56 and I'll I'll give you the uh , I guess , technical considerations for those . 937.71 938.85 941.56 ES2005c D FEE019 3 937.168 937.728 937.54 937.68 Mm . 937.68 ES2005c C MEE017 2 942.752 946.884 942.752 946.884 Uh - ES2005c A MEE018 0 948.928 951.918 949.19 951.38 And I'm gonna use the whiteboard , just 'cause we haven't used it . 950.22 951.38 ES2005c C MEE017 2 951.488 954.701 951.51 954.701 Yeah , I was just thinking the self same thing . 952.09 954.55 ES2005c A MEE018 0 953.312 972.048 953.33 972.01 Right . So , the way I'm gonna do this is uh we're gonna take a look at some old remote controls , see how they work , uh reuse the the vital kind of um essential pieces of it , and then we'll throw in our new innovations um and keep it all within budget . 953.81 955.37 960.28 961.8 967.71 972.01 ES2005c C MEE017 2 972.832 975.456 972.832 975.21 Magic man . 975.21 ES2005c A MEE018 0 973.888 981.344 973.91 981.31 So uh yeah , looking inside a a very simple remote control . Um this is what they sent me . 975.67 979.43 981.31 ES2005c A MEE018 0 982.384 984.944 982.4 984.9 'Kay . Here's uh the competition , I suppose . 982.55 984.35 984.9 ES2005c A MEE018 0 985.984 999.12 986.0 999.01 Um you open it up , there's a circuit board inside , um and there's a a chip , a processor , the T_A_ one one eight three five , which um receives input from the buttons , and ch 986.88 989.35 992.68 993.61 995.28 998.76 ES2005c C MEE017 2 988.688 989.104 988.72 989.06 Mm-hmm . 989.06 ES2005c C MEE017 2 998.72 1001.264 998.74 1001.23 So this is a standard off the shelf kind of a chip , is it ? 1001.07 1001.23 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1001.392 1035.104 1001.41 1035.07 Right , it's very they're very cheap remote . This remote costs nothing , you know . Um so that takes a signals from the buttons and translates it into a sequence of pulses that it then sends to the to the amplifier , which is made of some transistors and amplifiers , op-amps , and then that gets sent to the uh to the L_E_D_ light , which I can kinda see is that little red light bulb at the end , and that sends out the infrared uh light signal to the television . Oh here it is . 1001.72 1003.0 1004.98 1005.63 1015.62 1019.68 1020.82 1025.5 1029.47 1034.59 1035.07 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1028.08 1028.432 1028.12 1028.4 Mm-hmm . 1028.4 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1028.912 1029.568 1029.19 1029.44 Right . 1029.44 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1036.017 1042.8 1036.017 1042.8 Um so this is kind of the the bear essentials that we need to have in our remote control , because it it defines the uh 1040.9 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1040.912 1046.64 1040.98 1046.34 Okay . So can we make them to pretty much any size we like or is there a minimum or ? 1042.46 1046.34 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1045.653 1054.406 1045.79 1054.31 R Um no , I mean this is a very old one , so now with the new technology this is a a minimally small and cheap thing to make . 1047.76 1048.78 1054.31 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1050.777 1051.328 1050.87 1051.328 They gotta be - ES2005c C MEE017 2 1052.928 1055.04 1052.928 1055.04 Almost a key-ring . 1054.82 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1055.088 1057.92 1055.11 1057.88 Right . So this is what we need to have for certain . 1055.59 1057.88 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1058.4 1060.336 1058.4 1060.12 Okay . 1060.12 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1058.944 1082.944 1059.03 1082.9 Um . So you know , as we said , we got the outer casing , which we have to decide , you know , what's it gonna be , um the board we have to use basically uh the same set-up , processor , um we'll probably use the more advanced processor than they had , amplifier and transmitter are all standard . Um so for the casing , uh this an e-mail I got from our manufacturing team 1060.31 1060.86 1061.25 1062.5 1063.43 1063.73 1065.24 1070.25 1071.25 1075.08 1077.73 1079.52 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1084.192 1090.88 1084.21 1090.85 uh , you know , we have a bunch of options from wood , titanium , rubber , plastic , whatnot , 1085.06 1085.3 1087.99 1089.0 1089.35 1090.49 1090.85 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1092.0 1094.736 1092.13 1094.7 um latex , double-curved , curved . 1093.77 1094.39 1094.7 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1095.872 1097.776 1095.89 1097.74 So lots of choices , what do we think ? 1097.15 1097.74 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1096.048 1096.587 1096.18 1096.49 'Kay . 1096.49 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1098.928 1103.935 1099.15 1103.935 Uh or sponge , I guess , isn't on there , right . Organic sponge . 1099.98 1100.3 1100.8 1101.56 1103.83 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1099.296 1099.712 1099.32 1099.68 Well . 1099.68 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1100.992 1104.218 1101.02 1104.16 Mm . I'm not sure about the sponge . 1102.14 1104.16 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1101.552 1106.262 1101.57 1106.262 Well , I mean like la latex has a kinda spongy feeling to it , doesn't it . Um 1101.74 1104.98 1105.61 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1105.68 1107.888 1105.7 1107.75 Uh yeah , it's very elasticy for sure . 1106.16 1107.75 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1107.808 1110.944 1107.83 1110.78 Yeah . And that would k also give it kinda durability and 1108.31 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1107.984 1108.368 1108.0 1108.33 Yeah . 1108.33 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1111.456 1112.064 1111.48 1112.03 Yeah . 1112.03 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1111.963 1112.528 1112.02 1112.45 Um . 1112.45 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1112.02 1123.302 1112.04 1123.21 and ther that's also f sorta relatively cheap to cast . Um so maybe s uh a sort of uh plastic initial plastic with a a latex kinda sheath ? 1115.9 1123.21 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1115.296 1115.952 1115.32 1115.952 Yeah so - ES2005c A MEE018 0 1123.472 1125.84 1123.49 1125.67 Okay so , here are a a plastic , 1124.09 1125.67 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1127.088 1128.624 1127.12 1128.624 uh latex - ES2005c D FEE019 3 1128.992 1136.432 1129.01 1136.432 I like the rubber , the stress balls , I think , you know , that could be a bit of a gimmick like it's good to hold and 1129.97 1131.62 1132.08 1132.44 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1132.336 1133.024 1132.36 1132.98 Oh right , okay . 1132.62 1132.98 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1134.56 1135.28 1134.58 1135.11 Oh right . 1135.11 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1134.26 1136.255 1134.68 1136.255 I don't know what that stuff is . 1136.1 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1137.008 1141.728 1137.03 1141.64 So something with give to it . Okay . And 1139.77 1140.63 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1138.58 1139.126 1138.63 1139.06 Yeah . 1139.06 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1138.688 1139.12 1138.71 1139.08 Yeah . 1139.08 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1140.528 1143.565 1140.56 1143.47 And that might be quite durable and easy to chuck around . 1143.47 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1142.704 1143.904 1142.72 1143.87 and the colour is yellow , right ? 1143.6 1143.87 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1144.336 1147.584 1144.36 1147.55 Yeah , y yellow incorporated , yeah . 1145.35 1147.12 1147.55 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1144.944 1148.736 1144.99 1148.736 Or at least incorporating , yeah . 1146.15 1148.15 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1146.88 1149.744 1146.9 1149.71 Yellow , okay . Um . 1147.8 1149.21 1149.71 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1149.904 1152.992 1149.92 1152.992 I mean I forgot i we're sort of uh - ES2005c C MEE017 2 1154.0 1156.752 1154.02 1156.752 I don't know what other standard silver kind of - ES2005c D FEE019 3 1154.912 1155.36 1154.93 1155.36 I think - ES2005c D FEE019 3 1158.097 1158.624 1158.32 1158.59 Mm . 1158.59 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1158.448 1159.808 1158.47 1159.808 Other parts or uh - ES2005c D FEE019 3 1160.24 1173.363 1160.26 1173.07 Yeah , the buttons w like , 'cause there's gonna be the the cover the the rubber or the plastic casing and then the buttons in probably two different colours or i if we're having buttons actually , I don 1160.61 1162.21 1172.37 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1168.4 1168.944 1168.43 1168.86 Mm-hmm . 1168.86 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1170.224 1170.704 1170.24 1170.57 Mm' kay . 1170.57 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1172.064 1176.464 1172.08 1176.43 So yellow for the body , and then what colour for the buttons ? 1174.89 1176.43 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1173.296 1173.973 1173.34 1173.91 Um . 1173.91 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1177.84 1181.007 1177.9 1180.75 Um I quite like the multi-coloured buttons myself . 1180.75 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1180.464 1180.88 1180.48 1180.85 Yeah . 1180.85 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1181.248 1183.233 1181.27 1183.0 So multi-coloured buttons . 1183.0 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1182.816 1188.859 1182.84 1188.69 You do have ones like um play could be green or on and off is red , and stuff like that , yeah . 1187.51 1188.28 1188.69 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1188.304 1194.416 1188.32 1194.38 Yeah or yeah a limit uh maybe even just a limited multi-colour so it it doesn't look too childish , perhaps . 1193.84 1194.38 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1189.35 1191.323 1189.35 1191.03 Makes it easy to use . 1191.03 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1193.744 1197.957 1193.76 1197.74 Yeah , that's true , because that blue one did look quite hardish . 1194.37 1195.18 1197.74 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1196.925 1199.09 1196.925 1198.91 Okay . 1198.91 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1197.008 1208.654 1197.03 1208.56 Yeah . Although I mean this uh uh also comes to shape as well . I mean if we are gonna make it a novel I mean double-curved sounds good to me if we're talking about sorta ergonomic and easy use , 1198.75 1201.48 1208.56 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1206.304 1206.704 1206.34 1206.67 Okay . 1206.67 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1206.624 1206.944 1206.64 1206.91 Mm-hmm . 1206.91 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1208.16 1209.28 1208.18 1209.24 Mm-hmm . Yeah . 1208.84 1209.24 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1209.312 1210.592 1209.33 1210.55 a bit comfier , you know . 1210.21 1210.55 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1210.864 1211.28 1210.88 1211.24 Yeah . 1211.24 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1211.344 1214.56 1211.51 1214.56 Mm 'kay so the shape we wanna go - ES2005c A MEE018 0 1215.664 1218.144 1215.68 1218.1 Um how exactly ? Maybe 1217.66 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1219.584 1220.059 1219.6 1220.059 double - ES2005c D FEE019 3 1219.696 1224.79 1219.72 1224.79 Like uh an hour glass kind of figure , is that what you're thinking of , or just like a 1222.48 1223.54 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1223.474 1229.296 1223.61 1229.19 Yeah it's uh , yeah , that that'd be that's sort of comfortable to hold , easy to hold so you don't drop it . 1224.33 1224.56 1227.3 1229.19 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1228.321 1230.143 1228.37 1229.91 It's not Yeah . 1229.91 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1229.232 1230.336 1229.25 1230.3 What about a banana ? 1230.3 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1230.976 1234.797 1230.976 1234.44 We could make novelty remote controls . 1234.44 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1232.012 1232.651 1232.27 1232.43 Yeah ? 1232.43 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1234.192 1240.633 1234.21 1240.55 Okay , like we could have a big banana shaped remote control , 'cause it's yellow fruit , right ? 1235.1 1238.25 1240.11 1240.55 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1234.384 1235.413 1234.4 1235.413 Well , yeah , I mean like 1234.57 1234.87 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1239.616 1246.557 1239.64 1246.557 Yeah , yeah . Mm and a lemon might be a little hard to grip . Yeah . 1240.15 1240.78 1244.15 1246.33 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1240.992 1244.0 1241.01 1243.94 Yeah . But then how would you point it ? 1242.54 1243.94 ES2005c B MEO020 1 1244.03 1246.017 1244.06 1245.93 Ah yeah . Mm-hmm . 1245.56 1245.93 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1246.24 1247.722 1246.26 1247.722 How would you point it ? What 1247.16 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1246.706 1251.376 1247.1 1251.31 Oh i it doesn't matter which end you point , I guess . We could have a little L_E_D_s on each end . 1249.0 1249.56 1251.31 ES2005c B MEO020 1 1251.632 1268.24 1251.632 1268.18 Yeah , I appreciate this idea , because then this this will help us in our advertisement also and we can relate with fruits and vegetables , the people's choices . That what our data shows that , so this w this w 1253.86 1255.13 1262.78 1264.21 1266.41 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1251.968 1253.729 1251.99 1253.63 They only cost pennies . 1253.63 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1266.304 1267.048 1266.32 1266.93 Yeah . 1266.93 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1267.792 1271.872 1267.792 1271.78 y I'm I'm not sure about the banana idea . 1271.78 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1267.805 1268.544 1267.93 1268.4 Huh ? 1268.4 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1269.584 1272.845 1269.584 1272.81 Um . 1272.81 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1272.048 1276.096 1272.07 1275.72 So a spongy banana re Yeah . 1275.72 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1273.841 1277.792 1273.841 1277.792 I mean that that th - ES2005c D FEE019 3 1273.872 1279.168 1273.89 1279.1 Rubber banana . Okay . 1278.36 1279.1 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1278.569 1282.218 1278.61 1282.218 does it does seem a bit uh again childish maybe . 1281.83 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1280.707 1291.782 1280.707 1291.73 Yeah . I think maybe just draw on the kind of fruit and vegetable shape . And what else did you say about fashions ? What was trendy ? 1283.14 1288.18 1290.77 1291.73 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1282.464 1283.248 1282.48 1283.19 Okay , okay . 1282.82 1283.19 ES2005c B MEO020 1 1291.024 1296.192 1291.34 1296.192 Uh the fashion trend shows that fruits and vegetables , like people uh now 1294.73 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1291.887 1293.118 1291.887 1292.85 S - ES2005c A MEE018 0 1294.614 1295.268 1294.71 1295.268 See - ES2005c C MEE017 2 1295.29 1296.432 1295.48 1296.4 And sponginess . 1296.4 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1296.464 1297.943 1296.48 1297.75 And spongy , yeah . 1297.27 1297.75 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1296.528 1304.511 1296.55 1304.48 So maybe an an unidentifiable fruit or fiable fruit or vegetable like so it would have a stem perhaps and a - ES2005c B MEO020 1 1297.2 1298.016 1297.23 1297.83 Spongy . 1297.83 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1299.28 1299.964 1299.3 1299.93 Yeah . 1299.93 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1300.502 1300.976 1300.52 1300.94 Yeah . 1300.94 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1304.192 1305.952 1304.21 1305.92 Maybe , yeah . 1305.39 1305.92 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1305.296 1308.797 1305.41 1308.71 maybe a it'd be s axially symmetric . 1308.71 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1306.672 1307.168 1306.69 1307.09 Huh . 1307.09 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1307.504 1315.552 1307.52 1315.5 Like what's what's that , I don't even know the name of it , some kind of , you know where it's like looks like a little snowman kind of thing . I don't know the name of that . 1309.09 1310.39 1311.12 1314.48 1315.5 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1315.84 1317.152 1315.87 1317.08 So it'd look like this kinda . 1317.08 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1317.344 1318.688 1317.36 1318.65 Yeah , that's what I was thinking . 1317.69 1318.65 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1318.608 1323.278 1318.63 1323.21 Like a gourd almost , or a squash of some sort ? 1321.45 1323.21 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1319.216 1320.252 1319.24 1319.89 Uh . 1319.89 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1319.824 1321.434 1319.84 1321.25 Yeah , maybe that's what they are . 1320.18 1321.25 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1323.152 1326.256 1323.17 1326.256 'Cause that you can hold it in like the bottom bit and - ES2005c A MEE018 0 1325.489 1330.896 1325.62 1330.79 Yeah , and it has a a clear top and bottom so y so you could say , you know , it transmits from this end . 1326.52 1329.3 1329.56 1330.79 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1328.4 1329.072 1328.42 1329.04 Yeah . 1329.04 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1331.472 1336.165 1331.49 1336.1 Yeah , why the hell not . Let's that'll make us fifty million Euros . 1331.86 1333.01 1336.1 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1333.856 1336.519 1333.88 1336.33 I don't know . What do you guy What do you think ? 1334.83 1336.33 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1336.672 1346.992 1336.69 1346.96 Um . Well , I guess it's kind of dra uh you don't necessarily have to have it sort of clearly identified as a fruit just to have that kind of fruitish shape , yeah ? 1338.07 1338.22 1346.65 1346.96 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1343.824 1344.498 1343.84 1344.4 No . 1344.4 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1346.016 1346.368 1346.04 1346.33 Yeah . 1346.33 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1346.288 1346.72 1346.31 1346.69 Yeah . 1346.69 ES2005c B MEO020 1 1347.312 1353.072 1347.36 1353.04 Yeah , then only we can relate it with something . Yeah . Exactly . 1348.01 1351.29 1352.42 1353.04 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1350.016 1352.048 1350.04 1352.048 Yeah , we can relate it by advertising or 1350.22 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1352.319 1356.928 1352.5 1356.88 Okay , so double-curved , single-curved , what do we feel ? 1353.34 1355.19 1356.11 1356.88 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1355.553 1357.712 1355.553 1357.64 Yeah . 1357.64 ES2005c B MEO020 1 1357.261 1364.752 1357.261 1364.63 Or we can do something , we can design two three shapes and we can have a public survey , let the public choose what they want . 1358.79 1362.5 1364.63 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1363.697 1364.519 1363.78 1364.27 Uh-huh . 1364.27 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1364.608 1366.64 1364.71 1366.44 There's a good man . There's a good idea . 1365.61 1366.44 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1364.848 1365.312 1364.87 1365.26 Okay . 1365.26 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1366.384 1367.056 1366.4 1366.98 Okay . 1366.98 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1366.992 1369.664 1367.01 1369.62 Okay um , I guess , since you're the marketing guy . 1367.87 1368.42 1369.62 ES2005c B MEO020 1 1369.632 1372.272 1369.66 1372.01 Yeah , sure . I will be happy to do that . 1370.06 1370.73 1372.01 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1370.607 1371.265 1370.72 1371.265 We'll uh - ES2005c A MEE018 0 1372.208 1374.992 1372.23 1374.95 Okay , we could do that . Um . 1373.0 1374.36 1374.95 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1374.316 1374.955 1374.45 1374.85 Okay . 1374.85 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1375.68 1381.344 1375.7 1381.3 And buttons would , did we say ? Uh different shapes of buttons ? 1376.62 1378.46 1381.3 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1381.328 1392.448 1381.35 1392.4 Um I l I su I mean for the specific functions , you know , up and down , uh play , stop . They've got , I mean , they've got standard sort of intuitive um 1385.73 1386.06 1387.2 1388.44 1389.61 1389.97 1390.14 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1387.44 1388.352 1387.46 1387.97 Mm . 1387.97 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1389.248 1390.423 1389.28 1390.26 Okay , so 1389.66 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1393.744 1394.767 1393.76 1394.72 so buttons . 1394.72 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1394.0 1395.248 1394.02 1395.16 things that are always used . 1395.16 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1396.982 1398.908 1397.12 1398.75 Okay , just like that . 1398.22 1398.75 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1398.112 1404.544 1398.112 1404.544 That's cool . I like it . Um . 1401.05 1403.53 1404.48 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1400.032 1400.48 1400.05 1400.45 Yeah . 1400.45 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1403.394 1406.16 1403.51 1406.09 Okay . With the scroll-wheel or no ? 1404.85 1406.09 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1406.352 1410.096 1406.37 1410.096 Yeah , what about the scroll wheel and speech recognition ? 1406.74 1409.87 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1409.072 1413.645 1409.09 1413.5 Uh speech recognition , I think , so we need a microphone presumably . 1410.9 1411.42 1413.5 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1412.928 1416.615 1412.95 1416.615 Okay uh I could put the microphone here . 1416.31 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1418.432 1419.312 1418.45 1418.96 Mm-hmm . 1418.96 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1419.232 1420.096 1419.25 1420.05 Okay there's the microphone . 1420.05 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1420.368 1420.96 1420.39 1420.87 Yeah . 1420.87 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1421.952 1423.062 1421.97 1422.85 Where should I put the microphone ? 1422.85 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1422.272 1425.952 1422.29 1425.77 I mean ho h h wel are we sure that scroll wheel does give ease of use ? 1425.77 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1426.16 1436.544 1426.48 1436.43 Yeah , I'm not sure . Um I mean those ideas I saw were just for inspiration , I think . Um yeah , I can no I'm not sure . 1426.73 1428.36 1432.53 1433.43 1434.62 1436.43 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1432.96 1434.435 1432.98 1434.38 Glad , we're not doing this for real . 1433.18 1434.38 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1437.024 1440.438 1437.04 1440.25 Okay , well we can do some user test with scroll-wheels , right ? 1437.42 1439.96 1440.25 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1437.552 1438.205 1437.57 1438.04 I couldn - ES2005c D FEE019 3 1439.76 1442.128 1439.78 1441.9 Yeah . 1441.9 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1441.008 1441.456 1441.03 1441.4 Yeah . 1441.4 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1442.413 1442.768 1442.54 1442.73 Okay . 1442.73 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1442.688 1448.064 1442.74 1448.064 And uh I think if this this new software for the sound recognition is the microphone - ES2005c D FEE019 3 1446.88 1447.357 1446.9 1447.31 Yeah . 1447.31 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1447.059 1451.014 1447.12 1451.014 Okay . So should the microphone be just anywhere on it or 1447.89 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1450.4 1454.88 1450.42 1454.85 I would put it sort of sub-centrally , so it's Yeah . 1453.27 1454.85 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1454.96 1455.552 1454.98 1455.52 Yeah . 1455.52 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1455.904 1456.748 1455.92 1456.7 'Kay there's the mic . 1456.7 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1456.496 1465.072 1456.52 1465.0 So it can be sort of held and w We really need really gonna need to hold it , if it's gonna be voice recognition . 1463.28 1465.0 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1456.979 1458.025 1457.15 1457.91 That's cool . 1457.91 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1465.408 1467.053 1465.43 1467.053 Um n well we can - ES2005c A MEE018 0 1469.264 1473.568 1469.28 1473.568 Whoops . 1473.37 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1469.408 1475.728 1469.43 1475.69 Oops . Um . 1475.27 1475.69 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1474.976 1475.6 1475.07 1475.56 Um . 1475.56 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1476.8 1480.624 1476.82 1480.624 So let's not use the whiteboard any more . 1480.57 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1479.392 1483.12 1479.41 1483.03 Yeah . Um . 1481.96 1483.03 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1485.68 1490.324 1485.68 1490.324 Upsidaisy . 1490.16 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1489.904 1493.408 1489.98 1493.07 Oops , sorry . Okay . 1490.19 1491.56 1493.07 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1492.087 1500.128 1492.2 1500.09 And uh so what else was there ? Um the What about the glow-in-the-dark thing , the strip around it ? Are we just gonna leave that ? 1493.64 1497.85 1499.02 1500.09 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1499.061 1505.136 1499.061 1505.136 I s I still like it . Um but that's me . 1501.27 1505.02 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1501.113 1502.016 1501.34 1501.98 You still like it . 1501.98 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1503.776 1510.42 1503.8 1510.28 'Cause we've got the uh technological innovation with the speech recognition system . 1510.28 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1508.304 1509.194 1508.32 1508.82 Right . 1508.82 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1509.344 1518.494 1509.36 1518.42 Yes , or maybe it's just going a bit uh too far . I mean we are pushing it probably with funny fruit shapes . Um don't wanna sort of overkill . 1509.85 1511.69 1516.02 1518.42 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1513.312 1515.632 1513.33 1515.59 'Cause um it could Yeah . 1515.59 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1517.008 1521.728 1517.71 1521.63 Especially with yellow . Mm . I dunno . 1519.81 1520.62 1521.63 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1520.631 1521.28 1521.02 1521.18 Hmm . 1521.18 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1521.904 1532.736 1521.92 1532.736 'Cause I mean like uh if we I mean how good is the speech recognition thing ? Do we want to go for buttons at all , do we want to just have a device that maybe sits and pretends it's a fruit ? 1525.48 1526.98 1532.34 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1531.376 1534.24 1531.376 1534.21 Then you put it in the fruit bowl ? 1534.21 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1534.16 1537.68 1534.16 1537.61 They can work from a You don't have to hold it . 1537.61 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1534.416 1544.507 1534.44 1544.507 Yeah , you know , and then you just tal I mean like everybody's got fruit bowl in front of the telly . Um . 1535.05 1535.36 1542.59 1543.92 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1538.598 1539.157 1538.63 1538.91 Yeah . 1538.91 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1539.152 1539.584 1539.17 1539.54 Mm-hmm . 1539.54 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1541.325 1552.64 1541.325 1552.43 I it could even encourage healthier habits for television watchers , you know they have uh fruits all round them . Now just make sure they don't eat the remote . 1546.79 1549.5 1552.43 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1546.72 1547.824 1546.74 1547.78 Yeah . 1547.78 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1547.232 1550.416 1547.25 1550.38 Yeah . Make them make them think of fruit , yeah . 1548.17 1550.0 1550.38 ES2005c B MEO020 1 1550.528 1551.2 1550.68 1551.08 Yeah . 1551.08 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1552.576 1560.608 1552.6 1560.56 I mean uh some uh I l like think of a fruit that could sit sort of independently on its own like uh , I dunno , an apple . 1559.58 1559.95 1560.56 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1554.384 1555.958 1554.42 1555.7 Yeah , do we need buttons ? 1554.56 1555.7 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1560.88 1561.392 1560.91 1561.35 Mm . 1561.35 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1561.6 1567.952 1561.62 1567.952 Then it's just apple so sort of Uh , yellow apples though Hmm . 1563.98 1567.81 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1563.936 1567.501 1563.96 1567.501 Yeah . 1566.89 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1565.6 1574.63 1565.62 1574.52 I quite like the shape . I quite like the design of that , uh 'cause that could sit on its own and it's quite got a quite steady base . 1566.9 1569.06 1574.52 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1571.696 1573.852 1571.72 1573.73 Yeah . Okay , yeah , that's good . 1572.72 1573.14 1573.3 1573.73 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1575.296 1575.838 1575.47 1575.77 Groovy . 1575.77 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1575.68 1577.104 1575.7 1577.104 Okay . But yeah 1576.78 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1575.776 1576.362 1575.8 1576.18 Um - ES2005c D FEE019 3 1576.698 1581.024 1576.8 1580.96 and as we say we n we don't wanna be too ridiculous with the fruit things you know . 1580.96 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1580.33 1582.325 1580.65 1582.325 Yeah , . 1581.32 1581.32 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1581.744 1587.667 1581.76 1587.46 But yeah , about the speech thing , it doesn't have to be hand held or close . It can sit at a distance and pick it up still . 1582.17 1583.04 1585.15 1587.46 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1586.829 1588.976 1586.85 1588.976 Yeah . So I mean like you could actually 1587.13 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1586.819 1587.152 1586.88 1587.12 Okay . 1587.12 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1591.136 1592.384 1591.16 1592.35 Yeah , gives you the options . 1591.43 1592.35 ES2005c B MEO020 1 1590.862 1617.488 1591.38 1617.45 Or we can we can do one thing , we can just have a remote control and casings of different different shapes , different fruit shapes in such a way that a any casing can be could be fit into this mobile general piece . So whatever people want , like if somebody want it in banana shape , we will put that casing onto that mobile phone , okay , it will look l Uh yeah . In that w 1594.65 1599.57 1606.94 1608.12 1610.53 1613.33 1613.91 1616.87 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1601.058 1601.747 1601.08 1601.53 Mm-hmm . 1601.53 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1606.85 1607.517 1606.87 1607.23 Mm-hmm . 1607.23 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1613.005 1613.815 1613.26 1613.74 Mm-hmm . 1613.74 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1613.312 1614.992 1613.33 1614.93 So a selection of casings . 1614.93 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1616.814 1619.003 1616.84 1618.95 Yeah , 'cause you said about disposable , didn't you ? 1617.06 1618.48 1618.95 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1616.743 1619.706 1616.89 1619.706 It kind of fi it fits with f fits with marketing um - ES2005c B MEO020 1 1618.736 1620.432 1618.76 1620.27 S s sorry ? 1620.27 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1620.352 1625.472 1620.37 1625.44 You said about disposable earli people want disposable things so we could do that , like have a choice . 1624.49 1625.44 ES2005c B MEO020 1 1623.648 1656.41 1623.72 1656.34 Uh like if this is a like if this is a mobile phone uh we will design casing in such a way like half of , we need not to have a full cover , we will just have a half of cover , okay ? If somebody wants it i in banana shape , we will fit banana shape casing onto that , so it will give a banana shape look . If somebody wanted in apple shape we will design that , we will put we will put apple shape casing on that . It will give apple shape look . So in that way you can have any , that means whatever you want , without uh yeah . 1631.19 1633.24 1634.87 1635.45 1637.94 1640.49 1642.47 1645.43 1649.06 1650.82 1653.23 1655.17 1656.34 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1633.072 1633.648 1633.09 1633.48 Yeah . 1633.48 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1635.328 1636.844 1635.35 1636.81 Like like mobiles , yeah . 1636.49 1636.81 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1636.336 1637.043 1636.48 1636.89 Yeah . 1636.89 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1650.69 1651.411 1650.81 1651.16 Okay . 1651.16 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1654.448 1659.394 1654.47 1659.06 Okay . We still need the buttons in the same places thought , don't we ? 1655.22 1658.52 1659.06 ES2005c B MEO020 1 1658.195 1686.576 1658.22 1686.576 Yeah , button will be on the upper side , buttons will be the on the upper side . Yeah , buttons will be on the upper side , lower side we will just put the casing , so half of that will be look the Yeah , not not the upper side . So from lower you can , it means while you are holding of from this side you c you can have banana look or apple look , whatever . So in that way we need not to d have different different shape mobiles everything , we will just design casings fruit shape . And 1658.54 1660.46 1662.43 1663.09 1664.44 1666.51 1669.19 1670.83 1672.52 1677.57 1678.35 1683.35 1686.33 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1659.037 1660.821 1659.06 1660.6 You can standardise those , I mean . 1660.34 1660.6 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1661.968 1663.738 1661.99 1663.6 Oh , that's the other side . Oh , okay . 1662.13 1662.99 1663.25 1663.6 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1667.952 1670.674 1667.97 1670.56 Oh , half a fruit . Oh , okay , okay . 1668.08 1669.17 1669.62 1669.91 1670.56 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1677.004 1678.272 1677.1 1678.24 Okay , okay . 1677.76 1678.24 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1685.941 1686.733 1685.96 1686.58 Okay . 1686.58 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1686.048 1686.857 1686.07 1686.73 Yeah yeah . 1686.73 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1686.205 1700.208 1686.23 1700.208 I think tho I think if you're gonna have a facia then you'd want to have it so that it does go over the buttons , 'cause when if you think about it if they're wanting it , 'cause they want to look at it , if they're using it , and what they want to look at is facing away from them . It doesn't really 1691.84 1694.14 1695.23 1696.62 1699.37 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1699.088 1700.72 1699.11 1700.68 Mm mm . 1700.68 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1702.736 1713.776 1702.76 1713.68 You know 'cause that'd be in the palm of their hand and they wouldn't be able to see it , unless you have sort of you got the buttons options on one side , and you get the facia on the other side with a microphone so that you can place it face down . 1705.68 1709.12 1713.68 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1704.477 1705.568 1704.477 1705.53 Yeah . 1705.53 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1714.832 1717.744 1714.85 1717.744 And you've got the facia , and you can just talk at the 1716.24 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1719.536 1719.936 1719.56 1719.88 Mm-hmm . 1719.88 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1720.56 1724.544 1720.58 1724.544 Maybe . 1724.12 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1724.112 1725.824 1724.13 1725.824 Okay , um so 1724.59 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1725.936 1731.568 1725.936 1731.14 So you've narrowed it down to half a dozen options . 1731.14 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1730.144 1744.032 1730.16 1744.032 Yeah , s I guess we decided on material , right ? So that that spongy latex rubber everything feel , and the colours we got down , and the shape , maybe we'll just make it kinda mix and match type of shape or 1730.79 1732.88 1733.56 1738.45 1740.42 1741.17 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1736.48 1736.912 1736.5 1736.87 Yeah . 1736.87 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1737.952 1738.208 1737.97 1738.17 Yeah . 1738.17 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1740.192 1740.97 1740.21 1740.73 Yeah . 1740.73 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1740.484 1741.084 1740.56 1740.78 Yeah . 1740.78 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1744.224 1783.728 1744.24 1783.65 Well , um because Well , I I'm not sure if we should go so far in the whole fruit thing , because I think we should maybe just take the inspiration from the fruit and uh because what Yeah , w I think wh wha would we're trying to get to twenty five , thirty five year olds who want it quite trendy as well they said . They wanted something that looks fancy and I think maybe fruit could be a bit of a too much of a gimmick , but something ergonomically shaped and organic , like good to hold , based on fruits and natural things like that , because al already we're going a bit gaudy with the yellow , you know . I mean we could make it nice pale yellow . 1744.85 1746.71 1749.24 1756.22 1758.67 1761.74 1767.8 1772.22 1773.52 1776.37 1780.14 1781.6 1783.65 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1753.44 1755.68 1753.46 1755.55 Okay , so we stick with what we've got there . 1753.75 1755.55 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1775.696 1776.336 1775.79 1776.25 Mm 'kay . 1776.25 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1780.127 1782.083 1780.127 1781.92 Yeah . 1781.92 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1780.96 1782.352 1780.98 1782.352 Mm-hmm . 1782.03 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1783.929 1793.376 1783.95 1793.34 Well , it's kind of gotta be our company's yellow . So again I mean like we could have , uh I mean , we could quite easily have the the main body be a different 1784.19 1788.17 1790.2 1790.73 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1785.977 1786.656 1786.0 1786.62 Okay . 1786.62 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1787.76 1788.208 1787.8 1788.13 Okay . 1788.13 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1788.046 1788.906 1788.15 1788.83 Okay . 1788.83 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1793.664 1800.289 1793.68 1800.22 Yeah . Maybe we could have that pale yellow and then an outside bit bright yellow with , you said , the logan the slogan . 1794.32 1798.36 1798.69 1800.22 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1794.56 1795.36 1794.58 1795.36 colour , but have 1794.93 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1799.568 1801.888 1799.67 1801.81 kinda going round , yeah . 1800.72 1801.81 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1802.176 1802.368 1802.21 1802.33 Mm . 1802.33 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1802.384 1803.488 1802.64 1803.488 Because - ES2005c C MEE017 2 1802.896 1820.064 1802.92 1819.93 Um I mean e even if I mean not necessarily that the um the whole body has to be of the company colour , so you know um blue and yellow tend to go to we well together . So you have the main body blue with the yellow logo and slogan running up one side of it kind of thing . 1809.61 1813.63 1819.93 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1809.968 1810.544 1809.99 1810.51 Yeah . 1810.51 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1818.544 1819.792 1818.56 1819.76 Yeah . Yeah . 1819.53 1819.76 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1821.168 1821.568 1821.19 1821.53 Uh-huh . 1821.53 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1821.776 1822.176 1821.8 1822.14 Mm-hmm . 1822.14 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1821.738 1822.64 1821.87 1822.64 W sort of - ES2005c A MEE018 0 1823.76 1838.4 1823.78 1838.4 Great . Um as for the energy source um , you know , almost every remote control uses just batteries , but we don't have to be limited by that . We can use a hand-dynamo . Um I don't know what that means , we crank it ? 1825.01 1828.15 1828.81 1831.08 1833.27 1835.81 1836.84 1838.36 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1836.352 1844.64 1836.37 1844.58 Uh It's I think it's basically the more you move i it , it's got a wee thing inside that just kinda powers it . Uh yeah . 1840.37 1843.48 1844.58 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1841.918 1849.191 1842.11 1849.16 Right , it's like those watches that you c So , this might be an idea for something that people really wanna grab , you can shake it if it's out of power . 1842.74 1844.67 1846.98 1849.16 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1844.752 1846.16 1844.77 1846.02 Oh , a d a dynamo ? 1844.87 1846.02 ES2005c B MEO020 1 1846.88 1847.712 1846.9 1847.68 Yeah , . 1847.68 1847.68 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1848.4 1849.223 1848.42 1849.11 Yeah . 1849.11 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1848.496 1852.046 1848.496 1851.93 Yeah , I like that , yeah . 1851.02 1851.56 1851.93 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1850.544 1855.726 1850.56 1855.42 Yeah , like with those watches that you kind of twist . Yeah that's quite cool . 1851.09 1853.3 1855.42 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1852.704 1853.056 1852.72 1853.02 Yeah . 1853.02 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1853.76 1861.189 1853.82 1861.189 Okay . So if it if it's not working , I guess people's natural reaction anyway is to just shake the thing . 1854.24 1856.37 1860.76 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1854.188 1854.959 1854.28 1854.9 Okay . 1854.9 ES2005c B MEO020 1 1854.336 1856.08 1854.37 1856.08 But - ES2005c C MEE017 2 1856.144 1858.609 1856.16 1858.51 You shake it and scream at it . Yeah . 1858.25 1858.51 ES2005c B MEO020 1 1858.448 1871.888 1858.47 1871.85 But but do you think that it will be a good idea to use dynamo , tha these type of cells ? Because then people have to , well like if the cell is out of bat Yeah , to mo Yeah . 1863.21 1864.36 1866.0 1869.72 1871.85 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1859.056 1860.637 1859.08 1860.24 Yeah , it is , yeah . 1859.3 1859.72 1860.24 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1867.157 1876.724 1867.42 1876.724 It does leave them with an obligation to Especially if they want to use it uh uh sp uh specifically as um voice activated . Then if it's just sitting on the 1875.05 ES2005c B MEO020 1 1873.616 1879.92 1874.67 1879.92 Yeah , because most of the people Yeah . 1875.2 1879.76 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1875.153 1876.095 1875.3 1875.98 Right . 1875.98 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1875.159 1879.152 1875.38 1879.12 Yeah , then they have to pick it up and then activate it and then Yeah . 1876.19 1879.12 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1879.84 1883.184 1879.86 1883.03 Okay , okay . Right um what are the other options ? 1880.2 1880.95 1883.03 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1880.152 1880.848 1880.23 1880.81 That's true . 1880.81 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1880.624 1881.04 1880.64 1881.01 Okay . 1881.01 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1883.296 1886.03 1883.32 1885.89 Uh there's solar power . Um . 1885.18 1885.89 ES2005c B MEO020 1 1885.088 1906.656 1885.11 1906.5 Uh , solar power will w also not be a good idea , because then they have to keep m their mobiles outside in solar energy , and the days when there is no sola sunlight Yeah . Yeah . What we w yeah . I think we should a rechargeable battery will be a good idea . They can they can recharge it . 1886.15 1888.94 1892.28 1896.32 1897.4 1899.9 1903.87 1906.5 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1891.429 1891.954 1891.49 1891.73 Yeah . 1891.73 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1891.457 1891.806 1891.55 1891.77 Yeah . 1891.77 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1893.963 1900.93 1894.11 1900.59 I'm I'm with uh Raj on that , I think , you know , I've got I've got no I've got a north facing house , there's not really ever sun coming in my window . 1895.77 1896.44 1896.96 1899.03 1900.59 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1895.776 1897.389 1895.8 1897.389 Okay , so probably just 1896.41 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1899.76 1902.274 1899.78 1901.87 But w like just normal light ? 1901.87 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1902.256 1903.18 1902.28 1902.97 Oh that's true . 1902.97 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1905.152 1915.011 1905.17 1914.96 I mean I w I w uh that idea that I thought um just on the basis of like ridding them of batteries and that kind of bother is having a , 1914.96 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1913.088 1913.564 1913.11 1913.51 Mm . 1913.51 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1913.648 1916.72 1913.67 1916.69 And we're a very environmentally friendly company , aren't we as well ? 1916.02 1916.69 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1915.568 1927.328 1915.59 1927.26 yeah , having a rechargeable stand , so that not only it doubles as a stand , but um for using it as uh recharging it , but also for using it as sound recognition . 1915.94 1918.2 1920.39 1924.55 1927.26 ES2005c B MEO020 1 1916.096 1916.56 1916.17 1916.53 Yeah . 1916.53 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1918.32 1918.768 1918.34 1918.73 Yeah . 1918.73 ES2005c B MEO020 1 1919.232 1919.936 1919.3 1919.72 Yeah . 1919.72 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1925.648 1926.128 1925.67 1926.09 Yeah . 1926.09 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1927.44 1927.728 1927.46 1927.69 'Kay . 1927.69 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1927.776 1931.635 1927.8 1931.52 Like like a hand like one of those portable phones kind of thing . 1931.52 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1930.576 1932.034 1930.6 1931.8 Yeah that kind of thing . 1931.8 ES2005c B MEO020 1 1930.912 1932.96 1930.93 1932.82 Yeah , that's Yeah , exactly . 1931.28 1932.12 1932.82 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1931.255 1932.588 1931.6 1932.49 Okay . 1932.49 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1933.232 1942.63 1933.25 1942.44 So uh a rechargeable battery . Okay . Um the user interface , the buttons , I guess we talked about this already . 1936.32 1937.45 1939.21 1940.92 1942.44 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1935.445 1936.027 1935.47 1935.85 Yeah . 1935.85 ES2005c B MEO020 1 1935.344 1936.384 1935.59 1936.19 Yeah . 1936.19 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1937.184 1938.48 1937.39 1938.22 Rechargeable . 1938.22 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1942.288 1942.864 1942.31 1942.82 Mm . 1942.82 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1943.216 1945.12 1943.216 1945.12 . What's chip on print ? What's 1943.216 1944.63 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1943.392 1943.888 1943.41 1943.81 Um . 1943.81 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1945.488 1945.744 1945.51 1945.69 Hmm ? 1945.69 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1946.432 1948.928 1946.45 1948.928 Sorry , never mind . 1946.93 1948.63 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1947.32 1953.184 1947.34 1953.184 Uh th the uh the electronics um , basically the more features we add um 1950.21 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1955.024 1966.448 1955.07 1966.41 Oops , this one . So the more features we add the fancier chips we need to buy and put in , which adds to the cost as you can expect . Um . 1955.59 1956.82 1962.64 1965.88 1966.41 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1961.296 1961.728 1961.33 1961.68 Mm-hmm . 1961.68 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1964.192 1964.528 1964.22 1964.49 Mm-hmm . 1964.49 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1968.144 1971.07 1968.16 1971.01 But uh I think we can keep it all under budget . 1971.01 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1972.384 1983.895 1972.41 1983.895 So uh yes , so the speech thing you said our our techno our research and development department came up with some break-through . So just in time . 1974.16 1980.99 1983.74 ES2005c D FEE019 3 1980.368 1982.48 1980.4 1982.45 Mm-hmm . Just in time . 1981.59 1982.45 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1981.456 1987.376 1981.48 1987.29 Yeah , and if we if we're just having buttons and the speech then we're getting our cheapest option of 1981.71 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1988.64 1989.152 1988.66 1989.12 chipping . 1989.12 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1989.392 1990.016 1989.41 1989.94 Right , right . 1989.75 1989.94 ES2005c C MEE017 2 1990.448 2001.728 1990.49 2001.728 That's good . Uh woah . Okay , we're we're kind of uh we're kind of um Excuse m I've just deleted that whole thing . Um we're kind of running out of time , so if you could 1991.08 1991.65 1991.99 1997.84 2000.57 ES2005c A MEE018 0 1991.305 1994.302 1991.49 1994.302 Yeah , and keeping the L_C_D_ screen out . 1991.7 1993.87 ES2005c C MEE017 2 2003.232 2004.17 2003.3 2004.06 Uh . 2004.06 ES2005c C MEE017 2 2007.792 2018.384 2007.792 2018.35 Was that you ? Um that was your bit's covered , I just dele I just accidentally deleted what I was supposed to say next . 2011.51 2014.57 2018.35 ES2005c A MEE018 0 2011.476 2012.186 2011.6 2011.87 Huh ? 2011.87 ES2005c A MEE018 0 2014.768 2015.968 2014.79 2015.85 Oh yeah that was that was it . 2015.85 ES2005c B MEO020 1 2018.208 2021.232 2018.36 2020.97 Uh excuse me , Bri 2019.91 ES2005c C MEE017 2 2019.52 2022.496 2019.54 2021.97 Um , yeah . Oh , yeah . 2019.92 2021.54 2021.66 2021.97 ES2005c A MEE018 0 2021.184 2023.056 2021.2 2022.95 So control F_ eight , right ? 2022.85 2022.95 ES2005c D FEE019 3 2023.264 2026.592 2023.3 2026.56 Yeah , mine seems to have turned off . I can't do anything . 2023.52 2025.5 2026.56 ES2005c C MEE017 2 2025.616 2026.848 2025.64 2026.81 And I just touch the pad . 2026.81 ES2005c B MEO020 1 2026.768 2028.656 2026.82 2028.44 You just touch the pad , yeah . 2028.23 2028.44 ES2005c D FEE019 3 2028.96 2029.344 2028.99 2029.29 No . 2029.29 ES2005c C MEE017 2 2029.616 2031.0 2029.616 2030.83 It's actually shut down . 2030.83 ES2005c B MEO020 1 2029.984 2030.208 2030.0 2030.17 No ? 2030.17 ES2005c D FEE019 3 2030.896 2032.976 2030.97 2032.9 It's on , but there's nothing on the screen . 2031.63 2032.9 ES2005c C MEE017 2 2032.144 2047.296 2032.16 2047.13 Okay , um now what we have uh our next meeting's in half an hour and what I would like you guys to do is work on giving me a model in clay . 2032.95 2047.13 ES2005c A MEE018 0 2034.672 2036.464 2034.74 2036.41 Try uh flipping the screen down . 2036.41 ES2005c A MEE018 0 2038.864 2039.214 2038.88 2039.09 'Kay . 2039.09 ES2005c A MEE018 0 2049.456 2051.2 2049.48 2051.12 Oh , I get to do it , too . 2050.35 2050.97 2051.12 ES2005c C MEE017 2 2050.528 2063.408 2050.528 2063.27 Yeah . It's you guys . Yeah . So um , you know I mean , luckily we chose a nice simple shape . Um and further instructions will be sent by your personal coaches . 2052.09 2053.09 2053.59 2055.46 2056.22 2059.73 2063.27 ES2005c D FEE019 3 2052.048 2054.381 2052.07 2054.381 Cool . 2054.23 ES2005c A MEE018 0 2051.997 2053.168 2052.28 2053.11 Oh neat . 2053.11 ES2005c D FEE019 3 2057.939 2059.152 2058.0 2059.12 Yeah . Mm . 2058.66 2059.12 ES2005c A MEE018 0 2058.137 2058.992 2058.23 2058.85 Yeah , yeah . 2058.67 2058.85 ES2005c D FEE019 3 2063.104 2063.728 2063.13 2063.69 Okay . 2063.69 ES2005c B MEO020 1 2063.648 2064.928 2063.648 2064.73 That's great . 2064.73 ES2005c A MEE018 0 2063.908 2067.578 2063.97 2067.41 Okay . Save everything to the shared documents , is that right ? 2064.81 2067.03 2067.41 ES2005c C MEE017 2 2067.36 2074.432 2067.38 2074.35 Uh yeah , I hope I can recover this , 'cause I've accidentally deleted it . Which doesn't really help me much . 2068.17 2069.25 2072.83 2074.35 ES2005c D FEE019 3 2068.288 2068.78 2068.31 2068.67 Yeah . 2068.67 ES2005c B MEO020 1 2071.808 2072.512 2072.11 2072.48 Mm-hmm . 2072.48 ES2005c D FEE019 3 2074.4 2076.016 2074.42 2075.98 I think , I've saved mine already . 2074.75 2075.98 ES2005c C MEE017 2 2077.472 2082.992 2077.49 2082.992 Yeah , can you save that uh send that last one again , please , Raj , as I still can't find it on the 2077.73 2080.27 2080.84 2081.32 ES2005c B MEO020 1 2081.568 2082.256 2081.77 2082.05 Yeah . 2082.05 ES2005c B MEO020 1 2083.504 2087.328 2083.58 2087.27 Uh it was under a different name . I will show you , in shared documents . 2085.31 2086.22 2087.27 ES2005c C MEE017 2 2087.472 2088.72 2087.49 2088.32 Okay . 2088.32 ES2005c B MEO020 1 2089.152 2099.808 2089.31 2099.76 Uh working components . Oh , you didn't get that . I will send new . Uh I'll put it in shared documents , again . 2092.96 2093.68 2095.84 2097.28 2099.33 2099.76 ES2005c C MEE017 2 2095.344 2097.344 2095.36 2097.31 No . Okay , thank you . 2096.68 2097.06 2097.31 ES2005c C MEE017 2 2100.896 2103.421 2101.18 2103.27 Um yeah , Project , Project Documents . 2101.88 2102.35 2103.27 ES2005c B MEO020 1 2102.64 2105.744 2102.78 2105.65 Project documents , sorry , I put it in the shared documents . 2103.61 2103.89 2105.65 ES2005c C MEE017 2 2106.176 2113.776 2106.2 2113.74 Uh right , that's that's the that it goes there automatically if you put it in Project Documents . Project Documents is on the um desktop . 2106.6 2109.96 2113.74 ES2005c B MEO020 1 2106.736 2107.376 2106.79 2107.29 Uh yeah . 2107.29 ES2005c B MEO020 1 2113.826 2120.432 2113.94 2120.31 Right , that's great . But I cou can't open that , because it w asks uh for some username or password . 2114.47 2115.61 2117.02 2120.31 ES2005c A MEE018 0 2121.104 2122.128 2121.25 2121.63 Oh . 2121.63 ES2005c C MEE017 2 2122.528 2124.518 2122.55 2124.518 Really ? 2124.28 ES2005c B MEO020 1 2123.264 2124.448 2123.264 2124.39 I'll show you . 2124.39 ES2005c A MEE018 0 2130.144 2132.608 2130.19 2132.57 Uh these lapel mics are trouble . 2132.57 ES2005c B MEO020 1 2133.515 2134.176 2133.7 2134.07 Ts - ES2005c C MEE017 2 2134.096 2144.16 2134.12 2144.11 Oh right , I think um Hold on . Yeah , I don't know if y it it just ca it just came up on my um 2134.62 2140.36 2140.59 ES2005c B MEO020 1 2136.448 2136.848 2136.47 2136.78 Sorry . 2136.78 ES2005c B MEO020 1 2138.464 2139.04 2138.48 2138.91 Uh . 2138.91 ES2005c C MEE017 2 2145.216 2152.16 2145.24 2152.06 on my agenda . S Um presumably there's clay somewhere . Um . 2146.29 2151.05 2152.06 ES2005c C MEE017 2 2156.125 2157.334 2156.15 2157.16 Four . 2157.16 ES2005c B MEO020 1 2160.64 2161.92 2160.79 2161.83 Yeah , that's great . 2161.12 2161.83 ES2005c C MEE017 2 2162.032 2167.904 2162.06 2167.79 Whoops . Light , light , please . Light . Right , there you go . 2163.01 2163.41 2163.67 2164.07 2167.23 2167.39 2167.79 ES2005c B MEO020 1 2168.016 2169.168 2168.08 2169.13 Yeah , th thank you . 2168.61 2169.13 ES2005c C MEE017 2 2169.088 2176.614 2169.11 2176.614 Yeah , quite . And we're using this our basic chip set , so it's all good . 2169.45 2170.04 2172.24 2176.33 ES2005c B MEO020 1 2174.832 2176.208 2175.09 2176.17 Oh sorry . 2176.17 ES2005c A MEE018 0 2176.023 2177.568 2176.14 2176.98 Are we done with our meeting ? 2176.98 ES2005c B MEO020 1 2177.552 2182.592 2177.57 2182.56 Uh excuse me , Brian . You have to keep your pen separate , because I used your pen . 2178.98 2179.67 2181.07 2182.56 ES2005c C MEE017 2 2177.872 2179.744 2177.89 2179.63 Um I think we're almost done , yeah . 2179.31 2179.63 ES2005c A MEE018 0 2179.936 2180.176 2179.96 2180.09 Yeah . 2180.09 ES2005c C MEE017 2 2183.168 2184.992 2183.19 2184.82 Oh oops . Sorry man . 2184.12 2184.82 ES2005c B MEO020 1 2184.064 2185.777 2184.23 2185.777 S - ES2005c C MEE017 2 2186.24 2191.776 2186.3 2191.776 Uh okay , still didn't manage to get down all the last bits so we had rechargeable and 2187.16 ES2005c C MEE017 2 2192.976 2193.984 2193.19 2193.48 Uh . 2193.48 ES2005c C MEE017 2 2195.888 2201.376 2196.13 2201.2 Apples . Mm-mm-mm-mm-mm . 2200.81 2201.2 ES2005c C MEE017 2 2202.384 2211.348 2202.4 2211.348 'Kay , so we came up with that , that's okay . What's supplements ? Supplements . Uh uh . 2202.78 2203.67 2204.3 2205.39 2208.69 2210.99 ES2005c C MEE017 2 2216.864 2218.944 2216.88 2218.944 See . 2218.52 ES2005c D FEE019 3 2217.968 2219.376 2218.81 2219.26 Cool . 2219.26 ES2005c D FEE019 3 2221.84 2222.56 2221.86 2222.53 Fun . 2222.53 ES2005c C MEE017 2 2223.072 2234.56 2223.09 2234.56 I shoulda something like that . If I kn see I I knew that . I shoulda sort of engineered it so we k ended up making a diffi difficult shape . Just for cruelty . 2224.54 2225.75 2232.09 2234.51 ES2005c B MEO020 1 2230.206 2231.06 2230.48 2230.97 Hmm . 2230.97 ES2005c D FEE019 3 2233.296 2236.544 2233.32 2236.544 Yeah . Star fruit . 2234.57 2236.23 ES2005c B MEO020 1 2233.728 2234.016 2233.75 2233.96 Hmm . 2233.96 ES2005c C MEE017 2 2236.459 2242.832 2236.459 2242.5 I wonder if they mean like literally make it , sort of buttons and everything . 2239.88 2242.5 ES2005c B MEO020 1 2238.352 2240.544 2238.37 2240.51 So sh should - ES2005c D FEE019 3 2243.12 2245.342 2243.14 2245.18 No . Oh yeah , we can do buttons . 2243.88 2244.17 2245.18 ES2005c B MEO020 1 2243.056 2247.696 2243.48 2247.66 Should we leave now , Brian ? Or we are going to discuss something ? 2244.81 2245.98 2247.66 ES2005c C MEE017 2 2245.968 2246.304 2245.99 2246.27 Um . 2246.27 ES2005c C MEE017 2 2248.608 2255.079 2248.63 2254.98 Uh no , I think that's us our discussion over unless anybody's got questions or confusions , 'cause I'm confused . 2249.18 2254.12 2254.98 ES2005c D FEE019 3 2253.288 2254.239 2253.62 2254.16 No I'm good . 2254.16 ES2005c B MEO020 1 2258.352 2261.456 2258.37 2261.456 Yeah . Excuse me . 2260.15 2261.35 ES2005c C MEE017 2 2258.381 2258.785 2258.4 2258.75 Huh ? 2258.75 ES2005c D FEE019 3 2258.448 2259.024 2258.47 2258.98 Okay . 2258.98 ES2005c C MEE017 2 2261.664 2264.288 2261.68 2264.288 Um uh we'll probably get questionnaire in a minute , it's a 2263.47 ES2005c D FEE019 3 2264.98 2265.936 2265.22 2265.56 Mm . 2265.56 ES2005c B MEO020 1 2268.288 2271.344 2268.31 2271.27 Sorry . Thank you . Yeah . 2268.95 2270.99 2271.27 ES2005c C MEE017 2 2274.384 2277.376 2274.86 2276.35 There we go . Warning , finish meeting now . 2275.32 2275.63 2276.35 ES2005c B MEO020 1 2277.296 2278.24 2277.73 2278.03 So . 2278.03 ES2005c C MEE017 2 2278.736 2290.016 2278.83 2289.85 I rounded it up far too fast . Um . Where are we going ? My Documents , that's not what I want . My Project Documents . 2282.5 2283.38 2284.65 2285.53 2288.26 2289.85 ES2005c C MEE017 2 2291.808 2295.904 2291.808 2295.25 There we go . 2295.25 ES2005d D FEE019 3 41.216 42.528 41.24 42.39 Okay . 42.39 ES2005d A MEE018 0 41.641 43.122 41.74 43.09 Okay , almost there . 42.43 43.09 ES2005d C MEE017 2 43.152 49.952 43.17 49.82 Okay . We'll sta I'll use the PowerPoint , I guess . How was that , was that fun ? 44.13 45.76 48.1 48.62 49.82 ES2005d D FEE019 3 49.904 52.848 50.32 52.69 Mm . Very fun . 52.01 52.69 ES2005d A MEE018 0 51.04 51.824 51.06 51.73 Yeah , yeah . 51.4 51.73 ES2005d C MEE017 2 52.768 55.344 52.768 54.82 Okay . 54.82 ES2005d C MEE017 2 56.576 68.048 56.66 68.01 Uh oh I've forgotten to mail you the minutes , but I will do . Upsidaisy . Um Um we Yeah . 58.64 61.19 62.99 68.01 ES2005d A MEE018 0 60.309 61.335 60.45 61.01 Okay . 61.01 ES2005d B MEO020 1 61.216 61.826 61.34 61.65 Hmm . 61.65 ES2005d B MEO020 1 66.703 68.544 66.73 68.25 E excuse me I forgot my - ES2005d C MEE017 2 69.456 70.499 69.48 70.44 Alright , okay , yeah . 69.74 70.14 70.44 ES2005d B MEO020 1 69.545 74.592 69.71 74.592 copy . 70.64 ES2005d C MEE017 2 73.168 74.144 73.19 73.91 He's gonna get his pen . 73.91 ES2005d D FEE019 3 74.453 75.616 74.52 75.21 Oh right . Okay . 74.97 75.21 ES2005d C MEE017 2 75.536 79.936 75.56 79.86 Um Will you guys first with your prototype - ES2005d C MEE017 2 81.056 85.808 81.08 85.29 um before we get to the good news ? 85.29 ES2005d A MEE018 0 86.208 88.656 86.23 88.25 Yeah , there's good news ? Oh . 86.5 87.92 88.25 ES2005d C MEE017 2 87.008 92.183 87.35 92.09 Uh we have budget problems . 92.09 ES2005d D FEE019 3 88.576 89.84 88.83 89.48 Mm . 89.48 ES2005d A MEE018 0 92.272 93.312 92.32 93.18 Oh . 93.18 ES2005d A MEE018 0 94.344 95.301 94.37 95.1 Cutbacks . 95.1 ES2005d C MEE017 2 94.189 98.832 94.37 98.832 I'm afraid you're all sacked . Oops . I don't even have this on . 95.38 96.25 97.8 ES2005d A MEE018 0 98.592 99.248 98.8 99.21 Hmm . 99.21 ES2005d C MEE017 2 120.112 126.071 120.13 125.82 Okay , have you got a presentation to make ? No . Okay so it's just your your show . 120.72 123.05 123.33 125.82 ES2005d A MEE018 0 120.813 121.628 120.92 121.59 Okay . 121.59 ES2005d B MEO020 1 122.273 124.327 122.62 123.86 No , not mine yet . 122.9 123.86 ES2005d A MEE018 0 124.409 124.974 124.57 124.86 Oh . 124.86 ES2005d A MEE018 0 126.624 130.425 126.64 130.22 Um maybe we should bring so that the camera can see . Yeah . 129.08 130.22 ES2005d D FEE019 3 129.28 130.32 129.3 130.2 Okay . Sure . 129.9 130.2 ES2005d A MEE018 0 131.232 131.568 131.25 131.52 Okay . 131.52 ES2005d D FEE019 3 135.708 138.132 135.76 138.03 We made three for you . 138.03 ES2005d C MEE017 2 136.975 138.736 137.23 138.64 Three ? Oh . 138.32 138.64 ES2005d D FEE019 3 139.681 147.768 139.7 147.36 Um one's based on the banana , one's based on the tomato and the other one is st 142.73 ES2005d C MEE017 2 144.892 151.203 145.3 151.203 Tomato ? What tomato ? I don't recall a tomato . 145.93 147.56 150.7 ES2005d D FEE019 3 149.608 177.904 149.88 177.63 Look . Oh yeah , well yeah , we had v some red left over . So . Okay , so this is the um non to non uh no buttons one , or as mm few buttons as possible , mainly speak recognition . The yellow there is the um the slogan , yeah , that we need to incorporate , it's very simple . If you do need buttons , you can flip it over , and there's some there , um but mainly it's speech recognition . 150.59 151.05 151.69 153.12 154.07 154.38 160.08 163.07 164.28 167.67 168.23 169.14 170.4 171.38 172.82 174.73 177.63 ES2005d C MEE017 2 153.104 154.883 153.13 154.883 Ah I see , okay . 153.64 154.36 ES2005d C MEE017 2 162.112 162.544 162.14 162.49 Mm-hmm . 162.49 ES2005d C MEE017 2 166.768 167.417 166.79 167.36 Logo . 167.36 ES2005d C MEE017 2 168.208 169.503 168.28 169.33 Okay , brilliant . 168.98 169.33 ES2005d C MEE017 2 174.256 174.72 174.28 174.69 Okay . 174.69 ES2005d C MEE017 2 177.819 182.028 177.89 181.98 Okay , so the buttons would be like , you know individual users , or Yeah . 178.13 179.32 181.08 181.98 ES2005d D FEE019 3 180.916 181.519 181.14 181.47 Yeah . 181.47 ES2005d D FEE019 3 182.147 198.436 182.21 198.35 Yeah and yeah they might project things onto the screen which you can do on there . Mm I'm not sure about that . Um and this one is the one w more like the one w that we looked at earlier . Yeah , you guys can have a look at that if you want . 187.96 189.89 195.68 195.89 198.35 ES2005d C MEE017 2 186.992 187.886 187.01 187.66 Alright , okay . 187.41 187.66 ES2005d C MEE017 2 195.2 195.616 195.22 195.58 Right . 195.58 ES2005d C MEE017 2 197.088 199.552 197.11 199.552 That's groovy . 199.08 ES2005d B MEO020 1 197.328 198.768 197.8 198.768 Yeah . 198.02 ES2005d C MEE017 2 200.057 203.296 200.057 203.25 Well I like the feel of it , I like the feel of it . 202.0 203.25 ES2005d B MEO020 1 200.058 202.048 200.21 202.048 Uh can I have - ES2005d D FEE019 3 201.968 207.872 201.99 207.84 Yeah , sure . Um that one is Oh no , it's delicate . 202.41 204.91 207.47 207.84 ES2005d B MEO020 1 206.08 207.344 206.1 207.344 Oh sorry s - ES2005d C MEE017 2 206.596 209.585 206.76 209.44 At Oh dear . 209.44 ES2005d D FEE019 3 209.776 223.792 209.8 223.39 That's that's already got its stand that one . That's it stand . It does also lie flat , but that's the that yellow stand there represents the the charging stand . Um the black on the back is the slogan . 211.77 212.6 214.94 219.61 223.39 ES2005d C MEE017 2 212.416 213.536 212.54 213.14 Alright , okay . 212.84 213.14 ES2005d C MEE017 2 219.312 220.336 219.33 220.3 Okay , brilliant mm . 219.63 220.3 ES2005d C MEE017 2 223.536 228.583 223.56 228.48 Okay , nice and obvious there , if it's standing up , I guess , yeah . 223.95 226.81 227.74 228.18 228.48 ES2005d D FEE019 3 224.992 227.792 225.01 227.76 Uh yeah , that Well , we did think of that . 225.56 226.77 227.76 ES2005d D FEE019 3 228.345 256.123 228.44 256.02 Yeah , if it's standing up it's it's on there , but also we're gonna have the company name on the front , which is the little black kind of line in the middle . So um and that's the um transmit the L_E_D_ thing . These are the s two scroll ones which we thought could be channel up and down and volume up and down . We n were weren't sure about putting them there , because um i it's it kind of could get bashed . 228.65 231.77 234.31 238.04 243.51 249.41 251.33 256.02 ES2005d C MEE017 2 236.48 239.552 236.59 239.32 Oh right , okay , brilliant . Like that from its centre . 236.97 237.39 238.02 239.32 ES2005d C MEE017 2 255.424 257.552 255.44 257.552 Where you're , yeah , uh were you're holding it kind of 255.71 256.02 ES2005d D FEE019 3 257.44 278.461 257.46 278.41 Yeah . Well , if you hold it , you can you all can hold it , is it does actually feel quite ergonomic , if you've got small hands . Um , obviously I don't think that's real sized . It would have to be a bit bigger . Okay . Um that's a speaker at the top , so you can speak into it like a little walkie-talkie as well for speak recognition . 257.97 258.29 258.94 260.25 262.88 266.22 266.74 269.08 271.54 272.35 274.08 278.41 ES2005d C MEE017 2 262.496 262.848 262.52 262.78 Mm-hmm . 262.78 ES2005d C MEE017 2 263.958 267.239 264.07 267.04 Yeah . Okay . 266.64 267.04 ES2005d A MEE018 0 264.297 265.248 264.64 264.87 Mm . 264.87 ES2005d C MEE017 2 269.488 271.448 269.51 271.32 Yeah , okay . Yeah , scale model , yeah . 269.77 270.02 270.25 270.97 271.32 ES2005d C MEE017 2 278.619 279.12 278.7 279.01 Mm-hmm . 279.01 ES2005d D FEE019 3 279.344 305.312 279.36 305.23 Um and um then the buttons . Yeah kind of self-explanatory , just buttons whenever you need them . Tried to keep it simple . Oh that's the charging base prongs at the bottom . We used those . And um then the big red button in the middle is the on and off one . It's not in the traditional place , but um it's quite an obvious place . 283.5 284.76 286.51 287.73 292.19 292.92 300.16 302.44 305.23 ES2005d C MEE017 2 290.544 295.638 290.544 295.42 Alright , excellent . 294.87 295.42 ES2005d C MEE017 2 300.195 300.853 300.22 300.78 Okay . 300.78 ES2005d C MEE017 2 302.032 304.953 302.05 304.65 No . It's out of the way as well , I suppose , so . 303.07 304.08 304.47 304.65 ES2005d C MEE017 2 305.792 306.224 305.81 306.19 Excellent . 306.19 ES2005d D FEE019 3 306.912 314.672 307.36 314.63 So there we go and and um we have the banana-based one too . 314.63 ES2005d A MEE018 0 312.72 313.936 312.74 313.63 Oh yeah , yeah . 313.33 313.63 ES2005d C MEE017 2 314.068 316.272 314.24 316.272 Yep . 315.83 ES2005d A MEE018 0 314.892 318.176 315.07 318.14 This one is uh , I suppose for the younger audiences . 316.48 318.14 ES2005d C MEE017 2 318.816 322.475 318.84 322.27 Okay , so so Barney the banana . 320.2 322.27 ES2005d A MEE018 0 319.2 320.941 319.22 320.941 A a more friendly type of - ES2005d A MEE018 0 322.016 327.54 322.05 327.54 Right , right . It's to uh induce more television watching I suppose or 322.55 322.84 ES2005d C MEE017 2 326.594 328.192 326.65 328.16 Ah excellent , just what we need . 327.53 328.16 ES2005d D FEE019 3 327.936 329.168 328.35 328.95 Yeah . 328.95 ES2005d A MEE018 0 328.336 328.786 328.36 328.71 Yeah . 328.71 ES2005d A MEE018 0 329.578 331.009 329.9 330.55 Say it for the camera . 330.55 ES2005d C MEE017 2 330.432 335.505 330.432 335.505 Lo Sort of Loch Ness banana . 335.47 ES2005d B MEO020 1 331.616 332.334 331.81 332.3 Mm-hmm . 332.3 ES2005d D FEE019 3 335.072 336.576 335.11 336.53 Mm-hmm . 336.53 ES2005d A MEE018 0 335.733 337.143 335.9 336.97 Right , right . 336.33 336.97 ES2005d C MEE017 2 337.584 343.875 337.6 343.875 Cool yeah . Well , nice to have uh options at least . 'Kay and 339.81 340.01 342.86 ES2005d D FEE019 3 341.241 341.914 341.53 341.71 Yeah . 341.71 ES2005d A MEE018 0 341.549 342.736 341.79 342.736 Yep . 342.69 ES2005d D FEE019 3 342.605 348.608 342.605 348.608 So are there any um improvements or issues or - ES2005d A MEE018 0 346.496 347.43 346.52 347.22 It won't stand . 347.22 ES2005d C MEE017 2 347.104 349.693 347.12 349.54 Oh there are issues , oh there are issues . 348.66 349.54 ES2005d A MEE018 0 348.502 351.639 348.502 351.639 Just let it lie down , it wont stand . 350.53 351.47 ES2005d C MEE017 2 352.256 356.928 352.34 356.89 Um main problem that we have unfortunately being finance . 356.89 ES2005d D FEE019 3 357.232 358.432 357.25 358.31 Oh . 358.31 ES2005d C MEE017 2 358.352 365.585 358.37 365.46 Uh , let's just enter in the um evaluation criteria . Um unfortunately 358.92 362.43 ES2005d C MEE017 2 366.512 375.28 366.53 374.68 the unit we are currently going to produce minus the extra scroll buttons , uh it's gonna cost us fourteen point six Euros . 371.46 374.68 ES2005d B MEO020 1 372.098 372.536 372.26 372.5 Mm . 372.5 ES2005d D FEE019 3 375.136 376.528 375.16 375.65 Oh . 375.65 ES2005d C MEE017 2 376.639 385.191 376.67 385.05 So we have to rea Sorry , I've accidentally highlighted somehow Um . There we go . 379.63 384.63 385.05 ES2005d A MEE018 0 377.092 379.855 377.25 379.855 What's on the uh on the left ? 379.67 ES2005d A MEE018 0 385.865 386.916 386.05 386.44 Okay . 386.44 ES2005d C MEE017 2 388.517 390.612 388.63 390.54 Oh god , why is it doing that ? 389.25 390.54 ES2005d D FEE019 3 388.839 389.447 389.02 389.21 Ooh . 389.21 ES2005d C MEE017 2 392.64 403.696 392.66 403.66 There we go . So basically , um in order to save our two Euros 397.76 400.36 ES2005d C MEE017 2 405.008 406.496 405.04 406.43 um I was thinking - ES2005d C MEE017 2 407.6 411.696 407.62 411.51 that we could have essentially the same shape , but just have it flattened . 410.34 411.51 ES2005d D FEE019 3 412.256 415.389 412.31 415.26 Mm-hmm . More like a traditional remote control . 413.5 415.26 ES2005d C MEE017 2 413.76 414.096 413.78 414.02 Um . 414.02 ES2005d C MEE017 2 415.088 426.738 415.11 426.63 Yeah , I mean it's already got a kind of cool shape , so but it wouldn't have to be curved sort of in and out . And by doing so Oh no , hold on . Doesn't save us quite as much . 415.63 418.25 421.71 424.81 425.29 426.63 ES2005d D FEE019 3 417.728 418.32 417.82 418.15 Mm-hmm . 418.15 ES2005d D FEE019 3 419.952 421.04 419.97 420.99 Mm-hmm . 420.99 ES2005d C MEE017 2 428.256 430.08 428.29 429.85 I don't know what's going on with this again . 429.85 ES2005d A MEE018 0 430.08 432.987 430.1 432.86 W why is the uh double curved two of them ? 432.86 ES2005d C MEE017 2 434.88 436.224 434.9 436.0 Oh , good point . 435.51 436.0 ES2005d B MEO020 1 437.36 441.168 437.38 441.13 And double curve on both sides ? 441.13 ES2005d C MEE017 2 438.976 439.552 439.0 439.48 Um . 439.48 ES2005d B MEO020 1 442.272 448.08 442.29 447.88 Curve . Yeah , this is double-curve , no ? This is double-curve . It This one is single curve . 443.14 443.53 444.46 445.64 446.5 447.88 ES2005d C MEE017 2 443.518 446.931 443.73 446.7 That's sort of curve in and out . 446.7 ES2005d A MEE018 0 445.586 446.424 445.68 445.97 Is i - ES2005d A MEE018 0 449.392 450.526 449.42 450.39 Mm . 450.39 ES2005d B MEO020 1 449.552 452.063 449.58 452.02 'Cause this is single curve , this is curved on both sides . 450.59 452.02 ES2005d B MEO020 1 453.12 453.968 453.17 453.93 So double-curve . 453.93 ES2005d C MEE017 2 453.888 468.336 453.91 468.3 No , I think it means double curved as in um like uh a single curve on that bottom half , and the double curved would be if it was that similar curve upward . Okay , I might be wrong though . 454.14 462.94 467.18 467.63 468.3 ES2005d D FEE019 3 456.752 458.224 456.77 457.71 Like an S_ shape . 457.71 ES2005d D FEE019 3 466.408 467.248 466.51 466.98 Okay . 466.98 ES2005d B MEO020 1 468.546 475.008 468.57 474.97 Like this , one curve on this side , one curve on that side . Hmm . Hmm . 469.45 470.68 473.01 474.34 474.97 ES2005d C MEE017 2 471.472 474.048 471.49 473.96 I don't think that counts as a curve , I think that's just a shape . 472.91 473.96 ES2005d D FEE019 3 474.315 475.12 474.73 475.09 Okay . 475.09 ES2005d C MEE017 2 475.04 477.984 475.06 477.95 A curvature is like the this case . 477.95 ES2005d B MEO020 1 476.72 478.142 477.12 478.01 Maybe . 478.01 ES2005d A MEE018 0 478.688 483.116 478.688 483.116 'Cause that's the uh the biggest expense there , right . got two of them 481.32 482.01 ES2005d D FEE019 3 478.912 479.622 478.93 479.45 Okay . 479.45 ES2005d C MEE017 2 481.605 486.386 481.63 486.34 Yeah , and why why I've got it two , I don't know , I can't seem to select any more however . 482.1 483.6 484.07 486.34 ES2005d A MEE018 0 486.96 490.782 486.98 490.782 Okay . Well we can work around that um 488.25 ES2005d D FEE019 3 490.176 491.154 490.2 490.87 Mm-hmm . 490.87 ES2005d C MEE017 2 491.264 493.488 491.4 492.61 Right . No . 492.01 492.61 ES2005d A MEE018 0 492.176 493.792 492.176 493.63 Cut things out . 493.63 ES2005d A MEE018 0 496.416 497.563 496.44 497.4 But you think it should be one . 497.4 ES2005d C MEE017 2 498.416 505.68 498.44 505.1 It's meant to be one , yeah , I don't know why I put two in there , but um Hold on till I find it , I think this shift button might be stuck again . 499.24 499.58 500.94 503.0 505.1 ES2005d A MEE018 0 500.708 501.33 500.89 501.16 Okay . 501.16 ES2005d C MEE017 2 508.528 517.97 508.55 517.97 No maybe the shift button's stuck in . Um okay , so that would take away three , which would give us 514.47 515.44 516.8 ES2005d A MEE018 0 512.631 513.555 512.84 513.29 Yeah . 513.29 ES2005d B MEO020 1 514.688 516.08 514.71 516.08 Mm . Should 515.48 ES2005d C MEE017 2 518.752 519.584 518.77 519.52 Oh that's fine . 519.52 ES2005d A MEE018 0 519.888 521.216 519.91 521.216 Yeah , so we're 520.38 ES2005d C MEE017 2 520.434 522.224 520.52 522.19 Eleven uh eleven Euros sixty . 522.19 ES2005d D FEE019 3 520.668 521.173 520.73 521.13 Cool . 521.13 ES2005d D FEE019 3 522.496 523.504 522.56 522.98 Cool . 522.98 ES2005d C MEE017 2 523.664 526.758 523.68 526.758 Um - ES2005d D FEE019 3 525.782 528.128 525.88 527.61 So we could even add something . 527.61 ES2005d C MEE017 2 527.584 532.24 527.6 532.11 We cou Oh not quite , have the scroll-wheel , unfortunately . What ? 529.89 531.18 531.9 532.11 ES2005d A MEE018 0 529.076 531.388 529.53 531.15 We should fire the accountants . 531.15 ES2005d A MEE018 0 532.832 535.29 532.85 535.29 Fire the accountants . 534.99 ES2005d A MEE018 0 540.128 541.418 540.15 541.37 Ah yeah , we could add things . 540.49 541.37 ES2005d A MEE018 0 543.674 551.64 543.82 551.51 Maybe if you click back in that bottom right cell , where you're starting from , and then use the arrow keys . Does that work ? No mm . 546.01 547.5 548.65 549.97 551.51 ES2005d C MEE017 2 547.184 547.584 547.2 547.55 Yeah . 547.55 ES2005d C MEE017 2 549.168 552.55 549.19 552.36 Yeah , I know , that just extends it as well . I don't know . 549.53 549.82 551.83 552.36 ES2005d B MEO020 1 551.152 564.624 551.17 564.45 Uh you can do one thing . You just select one box outsi yeah , this box . Then move it with the help of this Okay . Just uh just uh Okay , just a minute . 554.01 556.04 556.77 561.58 563.76 564.45 ES2005d C MEE017 2 560.634 563.776 560.82 563.56 It One of the buttons is sticking , I don't know . 562.43 563.56 ES2005d B MEO020 1 566.064 583.312 567.01 582.72 Okay . No input , like this . Shift . No it's not . Yeah , it's not working . Should we ask Meli Should we ask our technical expert Melissa ? 567.76 569.37 570.83 571.58 573.33 573.69 575.86 582.72 ES2005d C MEE017 2 571.509 574.576 571.61 573.85 No , it's 'cause the uh the shift button's stuck , or something . 571.77 573.44 573.85 ES2005d A MEE018 0 575.632 577.36 575.84 577.33 Is it the other shift button maybe ? 577.33 ES2005d C MEE017 2 580.512 584.0 580.512 583.97 No that's fine . Um we've worked out what it would be anyway . 582.01 583.97 ES2005d A MEE018 0 583.959 587.197 583.959 586.94 Did you try both shift buttons ? It could be the other side . 586.08 586.94 ES2005d C MEE017 2 586.272 587.056 586.29 587.02 Yeah . 587.02 ES2005d C MEE017 2 589.28 592.352 589.32 591.77 Cancel . Piss off . 590.95 591.77 ES2005d A MEE018 0 592.592 593.312 592.65 593.15 That's too bad . 593.15 ES2005d C MEE017 2 595.952 598.448 596.06 597.88 Oh well , never mind . Um . 596.23 597.28 597.88 ES2005d C MEE017 2 599.648 604.592 599.77 604.55 Right , so that's finances and I dunno what we what could we reckon we could add ? 600.11 604.55 ES2005d C MEE017 2 605.744 606.332 605.76 606.25 Um - ES2005d D FEE019 3 606.816 631.632 606.84 631.58 Well maybe we could add something , but maybe if What do you th We're trying to save money , so . Yeah , if we're happy with the design there's no point in spending money , if we don't have to . But if there is anything you think we've missed out there , then , you know , feel free to add it . Maybe I mean obviously it would be bigger so there might be more space for the the slogan on the front , because it's not in an ideal place right now . 608.68 612.77 613.58 614.48 616.88 618.09 620.31 620.98 621.24 622.11 628.67 631.58 ES2005d C MEE017 2 610.204 614.432 610.22 614.432 Well I suppose that's our that's that's our design that we've got . So 613.83 ES2005d C MEE017 2 618.059 618.729 618.08 618.56 Yeah . 618.56 ES2005d C MEE017 2 629.064 630.201 629.08 629.88 Yeah yeah . 629.88 ES2005d C MEE017 2 631.712 641.392 631.73 640.69 Well that's that's uh Okay , so project evaluation . We have under twelve Euros fifty . Project process , how do we think that went ? 633.53 635.02 638.75 639.78 640.69 ES2005d C MEE017 2 642.656 643.84 642.69 643.3 Are we happy ? 643.3 ES2005d A MEE018 0 643.184 643.648 643.23 643.54 Oh . 643.54 ES2005d D FEE019 3 643.792 644.491 643.83 644.46 Mm . 644.46 ES2005d A MEE018 0 644.43 646.932 644.57 646.82 Yeah I think we have a a winning product . 646.82 ES2005d C MEE017 2 646.944 654.15 646.944 654.15 Okay . 653.83 ES2005d C MEE017 2 654.992 656.203 655.04 656.03 Evaluation . 656.03 ES2005d C MEE017 2 658.016 660.21 658.06 660.08 Oh we've been writing this up for m months . 660.08 ES2005d D FEE019 3 659.096 661.264 659.3 661.23 I think it went quite smoothly . 661.23 ES2005d C MEE017 2 664.272 667.12 664.31 666.78 Uh room for creativity , were we happy with that ? 665.74 666.78 ES2005d D FEE019 3 667.686 669.774 667.83 669.74 W I think we were very creative . 669.74 ES2005d C MEE017 2 669.936 672.016 669.96 671.93 No , I mea I think it means sort of individually . 670.07 671.93 ES2005d D FEE019 3 672.384 673.608 672.42 673.53 Oh right , okay . 672.98 673.53 ES2005d C MEE017 2 675.589 682.944 675.61 682.91 Yes , no , maybe ? Okay . Groovy . So uh we're just gonna . Uh yeah , okay . Teamwork ? Leadership , sorry . 675.85 676.02 677.03 677.74 678.6 680.12 680.58 681.18 682.2 682.64 682.91 ES2005d D FEE019 3 676.32 677.824 676.36 677.79 Mm-hmm . 677.79 ES2005d A MEE018 0 684.016 688.403 684.04 688.403 Great leadership . 688.28 ES2005d D FEE019 3 683.608 686.403 684.09 686.403 Excellent leadership . 686.3 ES2005d C MEE017 2 685.354 691.952 685.62 691.92 Thank you very much . You're all get you're all getting a raise . Uh teamwork . I thought went well . Yeah . 686.29 688.46 689.93 691.73 691.92 ES2005d A MEE018 0 690.896 691.719 690.92 691.51 Yeah , yeah . 691.22 691.51 ES2005d B MEO020 1 690.923 691.394 691.08 691.33 Yeah . 691.33 ES2005d D FEE019 3 691.248 694.24 691.27 694.19 Yeah , everyone got enough input , I think . 691.88 693.14 694.19 ES2005d C MEE017 2 694.336 706.832 694.38 706.8 Uh and well means , yeah . The technical stuff was brilliant . Let's buy more . Uh Right . Um I don't know what , new ideas found , means , to be honest . 696.06 696.34 699.93 700.87 703.06 704.39 705.6 706.22 706.8 ES2005d B MEO020 1 696.224 697.184 696.24 697.184 Yeah , we 696.69 ES2005d D FEE019 3 699.751 700.56 700.06 700.45 Yeah . 700.45 ES2005d B MEO020 1 701.025 701.888 701.27 701.8 Yeah . 701.8 ES2005d A MEE018 0 703.357 705.735 703.357 705.47 These pens are are neat though . 705.47 ES2005d B MEO020 1 705.664 724.976 705.664 724.93 Yeah , these are new ideas , like glow-in-the-dark or something like that . We discussed all the new ideas , but of course we couldn't reach any proper goals , we couldn't use these , but we h we are using these scroll buttons like this . These are new ideas we And new shapes , everything . At le Yeah . 707.38 708.42 710.76 712.29 715.13 716.83 720.31 722.1 723.39 724.93 ES2005d D FEE019 3 719.963 720.636 720.01 720.52 Mm-hmm . 720.52 ES2005d C MEE017 2 720.192 720.734 720.21 720.5 Mm-hmm . 720.5 ES2005d D FEE019 3 722.757 723.376 722.78 723.15 Yeah . 723.15 ES2005d C MEE017 2 722.97 739.306 723.09 739.19 Mm 'kay . Groovy . So just general thumbs up for all of us then . That kind of unfortunately is too quick . Uh . I suppose yeah . Um . 724.0 725.01 728.21 735.15 735.77 738.47 739.19 ES2005d B MEO020 1 727.424 727.776 727.6 727.71 Hmm . 727.71 ES2005d D FEE019 3 731.882 736.128 731.97 736.09 Okay . Well um . 733.42 736.09 ES2005d B MEO020 1 731.985 732.32 732.11 732.29 Hmm . 732.29 ES2005d A MEE018 0 733.008 733.633 733.03 733.54 Okay . 733.54 ES2005d A MEE018 0 738.424 745.152 738.44 745.152 Uh so let's talk about our bonuses and the raises we're getting for this , right . 742.93 745.08 ES2005d C MEE017 2 741.241 753.648 741.241 753.61 That's it , um I think another couple of days holiday pay might be well in order for all of you . Uh Let's see if I can get this bloody thing to work . Whoops . 742.95 748.36 753.12 753.61 ES2005d D FEE019 3 745.597 746.135 745.83 746.1 Mm . 746.1 ES2005d A MEE018 0 747.888 749.131 747.95 748.89 Right , right . 748.28 748.89 ES2005d A MEE018 0 752.704 755.52 752.72 755.46 Uh maybe we should start cleaning up the clay . 755.46 ES2005d D FEE019 3 755.824 756.965 755.824 756.69 Yeah , maybe . 756.32 756.69 ES2005d B MEO020 1 756.368 756.768 756.39 756.768 So - ES2005d C MEE017 2 757.504 760.144 757.52 760.11 Does it go back in , does it ? Reusable . 758.31 759.43 760.11 ES2005d A MEE018 0 763.2 764.54 763.22 764.42 Something we should get . 764.42 ES2005d C MEE017 2 763.616 766.56 763.64 766.53 I don't know what this is but it's really really annoying . 766.53 ES2005d B MEO020 1 764.608 765.25 764.63 765.25 So - ES2005d B MEO020 1 767.072 772.816 767.11 772.77 Uh Brian , have you have you finished ? Uh mine needs also this . 768.74 770.87 772.77 ES2005d C MEE017 2 768.634 769.226 768.75 769.12 Uh-huh . 769.12 ES2005d C MEE017 2 770.64 771.926 770.66 771.83 Um I have , yes . 771.46 771.83 ES2005d C MEE017 2 773.824 774.064 773.84 774.03 Huh ? 774.03 ES2005d B MEO020 1 774.048 776.592 774.07 776.56 At last mine is also the presentation . 776.56 ES2005d C MEE017 2 776.688 782.06 776.71 782.03 Oh right , okay , you've got more , okay . Sorry uh . It didn't bother to tell me that on this 777.14 777.44 777.98 778.48 779.95 ES2005d B MEO020 1 777.712 779.584 777.712 779.53 Yeah , yeah . 778.99 779.53 ES2005d D FEE019 3 777.815 779.499 777.95 779.38 Oh , you got a presentation , sorry . 778.1 778.87 779.38 ES2005d A MEE018 0 779.52 780.23 779.54 780.13 Oh ok - ES2005d B MEO020 1 780.149 780.793 780.69 780.72 S - ES2005d C MEE017 2 782.864 783.312 782.88 783.24 thing . 783.24 ES2005d C MEE017 2 784.96 785.408 785.0 785.28 Is it ? 785.28 ES2005d C MEE017 2 786.832 787.216 786.85 787.18 Okay . 787.18 ES2005d B MEO020 1 787.584 792.512 787.6 792.27 Uh is the project evaluated , that is mine . 791.04 792.27 ES2005d C MEE017 2 787.689 790.562 787.689 790.562 Doesn't tell me . 789.97 ES2005d C MEE017 2 792.368 793.92 792.39 793.92 Oh you're doing that . 793.62 ES2005d B MEO020 1 793.84 794.288 793.92 794.25 Yeah . 794.25 ES2005d C MEE017 2 795.168 799.152 795.19 799.152 We evaluated ourselves , we thought we were great . 796.26 798.66 ES2005d D FEE019 3 797.338 798.146 797.51 798.11 Yeah . 798.11 ES2005d A MEE018 0 803.966 804.32 804.09 804.28 Uh . 804.28 ES2005d D FEE019 3 805.52 809.664 805.58 809.46 Mm , love to eat that now . Kind of a green banana now . 806.2 808.1 809.46 ES2005d A MEE018 0 806.433 808.414 806.63 808.414 Anybody - ES2005d C MEE017 2 808.37 809.945 808.64 809.84 Mm . 809.84 ES2005d A MEE018 0 809.208 810.889 809.27 810.34 Clay covered banana . 810.34 ES2005d D FEE019 3 812.577 821.183 812.7 820.68 It's this as well , sorry , we forgot to mention it'll be made out of kind of a rubbery latex , new material that we've got . I've got . 813.68 814.05 817.86 820.16 820.68 ES2005d C MEE017 2 819.545 821.149 819.82 821.07 O okay , hold on . 820.57 821.07 ES2005d A MEE018 0 823.776 824.943 823.776 824.82 blue . 824.82 ES2005d C MEE017 2 831.095 834.192 831.095 834.16 I wonder w which cell do I want . 834.16 ES2005d A MEE018 0 843.462 844.4 843.51 844.37 It's fun to touch . 844.37 ES2005d D FEE019 3 844.706 846.144 844.73 845.7 Yeah . 845.7 ES2005d B MEO020 1 867.152 870.768 867.152 870.68 So . Yeah . 870.2 870.68 ES2005d C MEE017 2 869.6 873.168 869.77 873.168 Okay , I didn't realise you had that bit . 870.78 872.39 ES2005d B MEO020 1 872.432 875.456 872.432 874.94 So . 874.94 ES2005d D FEE019 3 873.232 876.704 873.25 876.65 Oh could you pass the tomato please . Sorry . Thank you . 875.3 876.23 876.65 ES2005d B MEO020 1 877.04 906.714 877.74 906.39 So now is the final evaluation , final evaluation of the uh uh of our product . How we are going to means uh at what standard what standard whether it meets our standards or not . How mu What rating we will give to these products . So of course this is will be a team work , w we together have to decide wha what rating we will give to this product and everything . So what methodology I will tell you on what basis we are going to discuss all this . 879.68 882.68 890.04 893.3 895.23 900.82 906.39 ES2005d D FEE019 3 882.56 883.187 882.6 882.87 Mm-hmm . 882.87 ES2005d C MEE017 2 900.404 901.582 900.76 901.35 Okay . 901.35 ES2005d B MEO020 1 906.714 949.2 906.92 948.95 We will give the rating to this product based on the user requirements , whether it meets the user requirements or not , this product . Then trends , whether it is as fashion trends or not ? Means because we have already stated that people do prefer fashionable things nowadays . So this is also an important factor for our evaluation also . Then marketing strategy of the company . As we have already discussed that our company is quite in the market , not only in terms of providing quality products , not only in pro providing latest technologies , but also in terms of providing environmental s 911.53 914.84 916.33 917.46 920.96 928.41 932.78 935.05 940.35 942.82 945.74 ES2005d D FEE019 3 927.377 928.147 927.57 928.11 Mm-hmm . 928.11 ES2005d D FEE019 3 949.344 951.974 949.36 951.974 Sorry . Sorry , carry on . 950.38 950.61 951.79 ES2005d B MEO020 1 950.432 962.32 951.03 962.32 Yeah . So but also in terms of providing environmental safe products , uh yeah like uh keeping uh keeping in mind all the safety issues . So 951.53 955.92 961.39 ES2005d B MEO020 1 964.128 975.904 964.23 975.21 Now comes the criteria rating with seven point scale . I'm having this scale this scale , so we have to do it on a board . 968.07 971.86 975.21 ES2005d C MEE017 2 967.215 968.561 967.99 968.2 Okay . 968.2 ES2005d D FEE019 3 971.392 972.896 971.54 972.86 Mm-hmm . 972.86 ES2005d D FEE019 3 975.824 976.608 976.13 976.56 Okay . 976.56 ES2005d C MEE017 2 976.528 978.886 976.6 978.63 Alright , okay . The board working again , is it ? 976.92 977.33 978.28 978.63 ES2005d B MEO020 1 976.992 983.216 976.992 983.16 the user requirem I think . 983.16 ES2005d A MEE018 0 982.291 985.102 982.41 984.65 Do we have the uh the marker for the board ? 984.65 ES2005d C MEE017 2 985.359 987.392 985.359 987.36 Uh . 987.36 ES2005d D FEE019 3 985.629 986.224 985.69 986.17 Um . 986.17 ES2005d B MEO020 1 987.204 990.96 987.204 990.85 Thank you . 990.85 ES2005d A MEE018 0 987.68 988.424 987.7 988.18 There it is . 988.18 ES2005d B MEO020 1 992.256 993.118 992.31 992.67 So . 992.67 ES2005d B MEO020 1 1081.974 1103.968 1081.974 1103.85 So these are the three crite criterias for our evaluation of our product . First of all uh comes user requirement . So we will see whether this product meets all user requirements or not . I I will first I would like to have your views , what do you think whether it meets all user requirements or not ? 1089.08 1092.75 1098.22 1100.66 1103.85 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1088.352 1090.128 1088.84 1089.34 Mm-hmm . 1089.34 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1104.24 1106.896 1104.89 1106.896 Um I think - ES2005d D FEE019 3 1108.032 1125.376 1108.05 1125.03 Yeah , it did . It had all the basic buttons that they needed as well as the uh new technology that people said they wanted . Um so . Does it work ? Yeah . So . 1108.7 1109.81 1118.99 1121.79 1123.21 1124.68 1125.03 ES2005d B MEO020 1 1109.847 1111.429 1109.87 1111.11 S - ES2005d C MEE017 2 1117.912 1118.508 1118.05 1118.24 Yeah . 1118.24 ES2005d C MEE017 2 1119.552 1126.937 1119.57 1126.68 When the user requirement is essentially just to operate the T_V_ , so yeah , of course we haven't actually got a working model yet . 1122.83 1124.65 1126.68 ES2005d B MEO020 1 1124.813 1131.648 1124.813 1131.45 So what do you think you will personally give . Seven . Uh . 1129.62 1130.66 1131.45 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1127.871 1136.48 1127.89 1136.42 I would say seven . Seven is good , yeah , isn't it ? I can't True or false ? No sorry tr one is true . 1130.93 1132.2 1132.43 1132.95 1134.23 1136.42 ES2005d C MEE017 2 1134.902 1136.144 1135.02 1136.11 One , yeah . 1135.75 1136.11 ES2005d B MEO020 1 1137.024 1143.376 1137.04 1143.27 Uh one is means highest ranking , okay . But I think highest ranking is seven , or one ? 1139.72 1140.5 1142.78 1143.27 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1139.344 1140.112 1139.36 1139.64 Yeah . 1139.64 ES2005d C MEE017 2 1142.251 1146.288 1142.66 1146.25 No it's it's like true is one end , and false is the oth 1145.51 ES2005d A MEE018 0 1143.264 1144.608 1143.28 1144.45 No that's false . 1144.45 ES2005d B MEO020 1 1144.464 1156.512 1145.13 1156.01 Okay , right right . So it's one for from your point of view . And what do you say our Industrial Expert ? 1145.72 1147.25 1151.08 1156.01 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1146.016 1147.89 1146.8 1147.58 Okay , so one . 1147.03 1147.58 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1150.272 1151.2 1150.63 1150.91 Yep . 1150.91 ES2005d A MEE018 0 1153.976 1155.312 1153.976 1155.28 Uh . 1155.28 ES2005d A MEE018 0 1157.536 1163.461 1157.56 1163.461 It's hard to know . I I give it a two . 1158.51 1163.24 ES2005d B MEO020 1 1160.624 1178.432 1160.64 1177.18 Uh d you can you can tell on on the like I think she has given her views on the basis of design , because she was our i Interface Expert . But you can give your views based on technology , whether the technology meets the requirements of the customers or not ? 1167.17 1169.54 1172.31 1177.18 ES2005d A MEE018 0 1169.392 1169.923 1169.41 1169.76 Okay . 1169.76 ES2005d A MEE018 0 1176.496 1180.208 1176.52 1180.17 Um yeah , I think i it might even exceed it um . 1177.76 1180.17 ES2005d A MEE018 0 1181.888 1184.608 1181.91 1184.57 But I guess there is a kind of a shortage of buttons . 1184.57 ES2005d A MEE018 0 1185.712 1189.536 1185.73 1189.29 Um I'm gonna give it a two . Two . 1189.05 1189.29 ES2005d B MEO020 1 1187.264 1242.848 1188.51 1242.75 Two . And what about uh you , Brian ? You will go for one . Okay . Uh for me personally it is everything fine , it may be having good design , it may be uh meeting all the requirements of the customers like technology-wise , price-wise , but there is one thing which limits the customers , like we are having only two , three designs , like we are having one banana design and the other one is orange , and Uh yeah , lower end . And the third one is what you ge uh that is not a f fruit look . But if a person doesn't like banana , or orange , you are limiting him . No , don't buy our product , because we are l we like this only . So we are showing our preference for particular fruits , two or three kinds rather , and Yeah . So . 1189.32 1191.66 1193.48 1195.74 1198.5 1202.52 1203.82 1208.33 1209.15 1212.06 1213.81 1214.51 1219.2 1221.38 1222.37 1226.34 1229.1 1229.78 1231.51 1231.73 1232.75 1235.77 1239.01 1240.2 1242.45 1242.75 ES2005d C MEE017 2 1192.144 1193.568 1192.21 1193.568 Oh , I'll go for a one . 1192.36 1193.42 ES2005d C MEE017 2 1194.768 1197.424 1194.79 1197.38 Basic requirements but of the pro of the project . 1197.38 ES2005d C MEE017 2 1217.163 1223.198 1217.163 1223.198 Yeah th - ES2005d D FEE019 3 1218.8 1220.976 1218.85 1220.39 Mm yellow . 1220.39 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1226.145 1226.768 1226.32 1226.73 Uh-huh . 1226.73 ES2005d C MEE017 2 1226.793 1228.447 1226.9 1228.447 Come on that was the tha - ES2005d C MEE017 2 1231.152 1232.358 1231.152 1231.97 'Kay . 1231.97 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1231.28 1231.869 1231.32 1231.68 Uh-huh . 1231.68 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1235.328 1235.792 1235.35 1235.76 Okay . 1235.76 ES2005d C MEE017 2 1238.474 1244.408 1238.474 1244.408 Being fruitist . 1243.99 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1241.957 1244.058 1242.12 1243.99 Is that no is that not trends ? 1243.99 ES2005d B MEO020 1 1244.666 1281.904 1244.69 1281.01 Uh no , uh personally as a Marketing Expert I don't believe that , because whatever companies they launch their products in the shape of fruits , they give a range of products , a range of shapes , like if we see , look at the smallest thing , toffee chocolates , they give a variety of different things . Some children like to buy banana shape , some apple shape , some even pineapple shape , some orange shape . So you can what shape a person will like . So in this case giving only one or two choices we are lim limiting our customers . And by limiting them , we are limiting our sales , limiting our profit also . 1246.64 1249.67 1253.49 1254.7 1255.95 1257.53 1259.08 1260.32 1262.04 1263.76 1264.53 1266.15 1267.4 1270.98 1276.1 1277.24 1278.36 1281.01 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1261.086 1261.964 1261.33 1261.93 Mm-hmm . 1261.93 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1266.992 1267.456 1267.01 1267.34 Mm-hmm . 1267.34 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1276.291 1277.062 1276.41 1276.93 Uh-huh . 1276.93 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1280.096 1300.912 1280.12 1300.87 But in electronics , I think , it's not q always quite so um you don't always have so many choices as with chocolates . I think , you know , if you're going to buy a T_V_ maybe a company'll have That you're going to choose from , a company'll have two or three choices , but they're different designs . We were coming up with one product . 1281.29 1281.64 1287.95 1288.57 1288.78 1294.57 1297.81 1299.16 1300.87 ES2005d B MEO020 1 1303.648 1314.192 1303.92 1314.192 Uh maybe . Okay but I will I will personally won't give it beyond three . So we can 1304.98 1311.69 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1305.937 1308.976 1306.12 1308.976 No , I mean uh obviously your opinion , I'm just trying to 1306.32 1308.18 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1311.088 1311.744 1311.11 1311.53 Okay . 1311.53 ES2005d C MEE017 2 1312.819 1314.737 1312.819 1314.61 He's a tough cookie . 1314.61 ES2005d B MEO020 1 1315.28 1319.936 1315.3 1319.88 Yeah , on an average we can think three , four sevenths , maybe . 1315.63 1317.45 1319.35 1319.88 ES2005d B MEO020 1 1321.392 1328.032 1321.79 1328.032 Three or four ? Uh , no sorry , it should be 1324.18 1324.75 1325.82 ES2005d C MEE017 2 1326.166 1328.151 1326.19 1327.8 Six . Five or six . 1327.13 1327.8 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1328.9 1329.842 1328.92 1329.58 What are we doing ? 1329.58 ES2005d B MEO020 1 1329.456 1355.712 1329.48 1355.48 No sorry , sorry , sorry , sorry , we are doing a very wrong thing . Yeah , yeah , we are taking everything , and that's I have taken it very wrongly . Yeah uh three four four two six seven seven sev Yeah one pe exactly . So we can say one or two . because it is one point eight uh two , so we will do two . Yeah . So where were the trends . 1330.34 1330.7 1331.0 1331.25 1333.26 1333.52 1333.69 1334.57 1336.77 1341.57 1344.56 1347.44 1349.96 1350.93 1355.48 ES2005d A MEE018 0 1329.516 1330.903 1329.78 1330.73 What are we doing ? 1330.73 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1330.592 1331.917 1330.84 1331.45 Adding them up ? 1331.45 ES2005d A MEE018 0 1331.995 1333.312 1332.19 1333.24 We're gonna average them ? 1333.24 ES2005d A MEE018 0 1334.291 1339.704 1334.55 1339.47 Okay . So seven fourths . About one point f one point eight . 1335.47 1337.27 1339.47 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1334.888 1335.646 1334.92 1335.22 Oh . 1335.22 ES2005d A MEE018 0 1343.472 1343.928 1343.52 1343.75 Okay . 1343.75 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1343.497 1344.032 1343.64 1344.0 Okay . 1344.0 ES2005d C MEE017 2 1346.204 1347.191 1346.32 1346.81 Oh I see . 1346.81 ES2005d A MEE018 0 1348.829 1352.668 1349.01 1352.45 Yeah round it up to two . So trends . 1351.32 1352.45 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1350.4 1351.282 1350.42 1351.03 Okay , yeah . 1350.82 1351.03 ES2005d A MEE018 0 1354.464 1356.668 1354.49 1356.58 Can you explain what you want us to write there ? 1356.58 ES2005d B MEO020 1 1357.376 1357.76 1357.4 1357.73 Sorry ? 1357.73 ES2005d A MEE018 0 1358.096 1360.432 1358.12 1360.4 How it how conforms to the current trends ? 1360.4 ES2005d B MEO020 1 1360.352 1371.824 1360.38 1371.75 Yeah , again the the fashion trends , this also like whether it it will be fashionable to have these products in the uh as a fruit shape or something . Uh . 1360.84 1362.42 1370.91 1371.75 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1367.641 1368.371 1367.71 1368.17 Mm-hmm . 1368.17 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1369.904 1403.824 1370.13 1403.75 Okay . Well um going on uh the specifications that we had , that fruit and vegetables are quite popular , and that people like something that is good to look at and not many buttons , I would give it um , well , because it's hard to make a fruit good to look at , that that looks cool , you know , so I would actually give it a three . Tha three or four , I'm not sure . Three . Go for three . That's fine . 1371.09 1375.46 1378.04 1385.33 1388.01 1388.73 1391.72 1392.85 1393.83 1398.88 1400.34 1401.84 1402.47 1403.36 1403.75 ES2005d B MEO020 1 1402.096 1404.592 1402.12 1404.592 Okay . Yeah . Uh 1402.6 1403.88 ES2005d A MEE018 0 1404.442 1417.902 1404.88 1417.59 'Kay . As far as the uh technology it its' got the latest trends in speech technology , but it's missing the screen , as we said , um but it does have the push-buttons , or the scroll-buttons , 1405.13 1409.99 1412.51 1413.89 1416.31 1417.59 ES2005d A MEE018 0 1418.496 1428.528 1418.52 1428.49 um but it doesn't have that fancy solar power or the the vibrating energy mechanism . So I give it a a four . I'd give it a kinda middle of the road for 1424.44 1426.96 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1428.605 1429.6 1428.68 1429.27 Mm . 1429.27 ES2005d A MEE018 0 1429.6 1430.48 1429.64 1430.43 for technology . 1430.43 ES2005d C MEE017 2 1431.84 1437.286 1431.86 1437.25 Yeah , I am sort of pret uh Just the fruit does me in , I mean uh it might 1432.33 1436.05 ES2005d C MEE017 2 1438.496 1451.648 1438.52 1451.61 it might be trendy to some , but I'm just not swallowing the fruit , so um Uh also uh I would have liked to have seen the L_C_D_ screen in it . Um so yeah I'd say about four as well . 1439.63 1441.47 1447.98 1451.61 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1441.552 1442.208 1441.61 1442.17 Yeah . 1442.17 ES2005d B MEO020 1 1451.76 1481.249 1452.0 1481.1 Okay . Uh personally I wi uh I think that in terms of trends , these products are quite good , like , these products are in fruit shape , because that wha people now our fashion trend shows that people like everything all f everything that is being advertised , like clothes , shoes , and everything is being advertised in the form of fruits and vegetables , or getting them or showing some association with them . 1454.04 1460.53 1461.79 1463.13 1465.09 1472.25 1472.93 1473.31 1476.75 1481.1 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1474.036 1475.023 1474.24 1474.62 Mm-hmm . 1474.62 ES2005d B MEO020 1 1481.249 1522.464 1481.4 1522.43 So and in this way our product is good . And the second thing , now people don't want any complicated or bulky products and ours is quite simple and quite handy . So that is also ef that also Our product meets the f the fashion uh trends of the market . And yes . It is cus spongy also . So they can play with it , it's quite good . So then I think , maybe I can give it two . So four five ten thirteen thirteen . So we can Is it fine ? So what about company strategy ? 1484.38 1485.34 1493.03 1500.06 1502.05 1503.89 1505.02 1506.2 1508.5 1511.37 1516.72 1519.87 1522.43 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1492.855 1493.461 1492.93 1493.43 Mm-hmm . 1493.43 ES2005d A MEE018 0 1520.456 1521.056 1520.54 1520.93 Yeah . 1520.93 ES2005d A MEE018 0 1525.597 1527.42 1525.7 1527.42 Well it was yellow . 1527.3 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1525.68 1527.088 1525.7 1526.24 Um . 1526.24 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1528.208 1541.552 1528.3 1541.48 Yeah , the company strategy , okay . Um there was lot of discussing , that was good . Um I feel I got my say . Um so I'd give the company strategy 1528.76 1530.57 1531.7 1534.16 1535.2 1537.53 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1542.8 1543.296 1542.83 1543.26 a - ES2005d D FEE019 3 1544.785 1546.4 1544.785 1545.58 two . 1545.58 ES2005d B MEO020 1 1546.736 1547.872 1546.96 1547.65 Okay . 1547.65 ES2005d A MEE018 0 1547.316 1554.182 1547.34 1554.13 Well , I think it's the the remote control conforms to the the company strategy . Is that the question ? 1547.63 1553.16 1554.13 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1552.384 1555.328 1552.44 1555.19 Okay . Is it ? Okay . 1554.33 1554.73 1555.19 ES2005d C MEE017 2 1552.987 1554.63 1553.07 1554.52 Yeah , yeah . 1554.06 1554.52 ES2005d A MEE018 0 1556.72 1557.094 1556.74 1557.05 Um . 1557.05 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1556.736 1558.0 1556.76 1557.62 Okay , so 1557.02 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1559.888 1563.76 1559.91 1563.67 one or two . One . Okay , just leave it , it's fine . 1561.19 1561.83 1562.45 1563.09 1563.67 ES2005d A MEE018 0 1561.051 1561.68 1561.15 1561.65 Yeah . 1561.65 ES2005d A MEE018 0 1564.4 1565.168 1564.42 1565.09 I'll go with two . 1565.09 ES2005d B MEO020 1 1567.186 1568.848 1567.25 1568.81 So what about you , Brian ? 1568.44 1568.81 ES2005d C MEE017 2 1569.376 1571.472 1569.4 1571.43 Um yeah , a three . 1570.43 1571.43 ES2005d C MEE017 2 1572.851 1575.915 1572.87 1575.915 Pretty much kept to the company strategy , so I would go for a 1574.9 ES2005d C MEE017 2 1576.928 1581.376 1576.95 1581.376 a one , as we not only kept it , but we were limited by 1577.76 1580.15 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1581.643 1582.688 1581.81 1582.65 Mm . 1582.65 ES2005d B MEO020 1 1583.715 1609.776 1583.81 1609.54 Yeah , and me also , like , this product me uh me uh me uh this meets all company strategy like our product should be as per customers' requirement , as per latest technology , and it should be environmental safe . So since our product meets all these requirements , so I would also prefer to give it rank one . So four six six 1584.85 1586.96 1587.46 1596.23 1598.43 1600.84 1603.29 1607.0 ES2005d A MEE018 0 1608.494 1610.369 1608.494 1610.2 So one and a half . 1610.2 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1610.474 1611.619 1610.64 1611.36 Yeah , one . 1610.94 1611.36 ES2005d B MEO020 1 1610.784 1620.752 1610.8 1620.71 half . So we can say two or one Okay . So th seven seven . 1611.17 1616.48 1620.71 ES2005d A MEE018 0 1614.464 1615.168 1614.6 1615.1 A two . 1615.1 ES2005d B MEO020 1 1627.184 1631.952 1627.2 1631.88 Uh overall we are getting two something , but we can round it as two . 1630.0 1631.88 ES2005d A MEE018 0 1632.357 1632.947 1632.38 1632.83 Yep . 1632.83 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1632.477 1633.248 1632.5 1632.8 Okay . 1632.8 ES2005d C MEE017 2 1632.913 1634.256 1632.93 1634.256 Cool , groovy . 1633.27 1633.59 ES2005d B MEO020 1 1633.12 1642.064 1633.18 1641.8 Yeah . So I think overall uh evaluation of our product is quite good . So we can launch it . Yeah . 1634.03 1638.99 1641.31 1641.8 ES2005d A MEE018 0 1634.022 1635.164 1634.68 1634.98 S - ES2005d C MEE017 2 1638.688 1639.008 1638.71 1638.97 Cool . 1638.97 ES2005d C MEE017 2 1641.725 1643.264 1641.94 1643.264 Brilliant . 1643.21 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1641.664 1643.008 1642.02 1642.5 Woo-hoo . 1642.5 ES2005d C MEE017 2 1650.896 1653.358 1650.92 1653.09 In which case we are done . 1653.09 ES2005d C MEE017 2 1653.856 1656.727 1653.88 1656.51 'Cause we've evaluated and we are within budget . 1656.51 ES2005d A MEE018 0 1658.709 1659.935 1658.709 1659.63 Okay . 1659.63 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1658.791 1659.51 1658.83 1659.09 Cool . 1659.09 ES2005d B MEO020 1 1659.673 1664.976 1659.69 1663.43 So yeah . Great . 1663.43 1664.76 ES2005d C MEE017 2 1659.846 1664.614 1660.0 1661.33 Champagne lunch anyone ? 1664.36 ES2005d D FEE019 3 1661.016 1662.064 1661.1 1661.67 Yeah . 1661.67 ES2005d A MEE018 0 1663.078 1664.251 1663.23 1664.07 Uh . 1664.07 ES2006a D FEO023 3 0.0 27.712 0.0 27.712 .. . 27.712 ES2006a C FEE021 2 8.672 9.664 8.7 9.49 Okay . 9.49 ES2006a C FEE021 2 10.672 14.544 10.69 14.38 So , this is uh first meeting of 11.38 ES2006a C FEE021 2 15.696 26.816 15.72 26.65 this design project . Um and I um like to show you the agenda for the meeting , I don't know if it was sent round to all of you . 17.72 23.15 26.65 ES2006a D FEO023 3 27.712 31.408 28.03 31.16 Mm , yeah . I didn't receive it yet . 28.94 29.94 31.16 ES2006a C FEE021 2 29.52 75.616 29.66 75.56 Maybe not . Anyway , this is the the plan for today's meeting is um firstly just to introduce the project briefly , um although I'm sure you've actually got some of the information already . Then the main purpose is to so that we get to know each other a little bit more . Um then we want to practice using some of the tools that we'll be using during the the course of the design project and the meetings , um specifically the whiteboard over there . Um then we need to go through the specifics of our project plan um and discuss come up with some preliminary ideas about it . 30.27 31.33 40.31 45.12 50.09 59.25 64.3 75.56 ES2006a A MEO022 0 49.344 49.824 49.38 49.66 Mm-hmm . 49.66 ES2006a C FEE021 2 76.864 82.624 76.88 82.58 And then that's it . So we've got twenty five minutes to do that , that's until eleven twenty five . 78.66 80.73 82.58 ES2006a A MEO022 0 84.432 87.104 84.432 86.98 so sh - ES2006a C FEE021 2 84.224 88.784 85.17 88.73 S so any any questions ? Is i 88.61 ES2006a A MEO022 0 88.704 91.334 88.704 91.334 . 91.334 ES2006a D FEO023 3 89.12 90.576 89.3 90.22 Not at this point . 90.22 ES2006a C FEE021 2 89.491 91.408 89.491 91.36 not at this point . 91.36 ES2006a C FEE021 2 94.656 118.896 94.72 118.84 So this is our project . What we're aiming to do is to create a new remote control for a television . Um we want it to be something original , something trendy and also something user friendly , so it has to be quite intuitive that people are able to use this product . 96.94 103.73 108.63 113.73 118.84 ES2006a C FEE021 2 139.008 166.384 139.03 166.22 The method that we're going to use to complete the project , that has three components as such . There's the functional design of the the remote control . We're going the way we'll do that I think is to to work individually initially and then come together for meetings to to work on that . 146.77 150.09 157.43 166.22 ES2006a C FEE021 2 167.504 180.256 167.58 180.2 Um similarly with the conceptual design , we'll start off by working individually with our own expertise on our own laptops and then we'll bring what we've done together . 172.16 180.2 ES2006a C FEE021 2 181.552 188.192 181.63 188.11 Um and then the detailed design will come after that . We'll pull it all together . 186.88 188.11 ES2006a A MEO022 0 188.672 199.307 188.69 199.12 I'm a bit confused about uh what's the difference between the functional design and conceptual design ? Uh i is it just uh more detail , uh as I understand it ? 194.05 197.89 199.12 ES2006a C FEE021 2 198.992 204.352 199.01 204.32 I think it th w we're talking the the functional design is more your - ES2006a C FEE021 2 205.632 225.888 205.82 225.83 um area of things where you'll be we want to look at what functions we need in the remote control and what what specific things it it has to do but the conceptual design is um perhaps bigger than that and includes the how people are going to use it and and that kind of thing . 225.83 ES2006a A MEO022 0 212.526 213.104 212.63 212.97 Right . 212.97 ES2006a A MEO022 0 221.648 223.316 221.67 223.18 How how it will be done . 223.18 ES2006a A MEO022 0 227.328 243.408 227.37 243.33 So whe where do we identify the components of our uh product ? Uh I think it's it's in the conceptual design phase that we identify the it's in the conceptual design phase that we identify the components of our product ? 233.14 243.33 ES2006a C FEE021 2 243.537 252.112 244.45 251.9 Um I think we'll we'll start that initially with the functional design already but then yeah . 251.9 ES2006a A MEO022 0 249.648 250.191 249.72 249.99 Okay . 249.99 ES2006a C FEE021 2 258.016 278.768 258.04 278.45 Okay , so that's just a brief overview of the p the the project itself . Um what I'd like us to do now is simultaneously introduce ourselves and start using some of the tools that we're using for for the project , specifically the whiteboard . 258.37 262.97 276.52 278.45 ES2006a A MEO022 0 278.912 279.904 279.07 279.75 Hmm . 279.75 ES2006a C FEE021 2 279.824 309.226 279.87 309.226 So each person in turn , I'd like us to go up to the whiteboard , the pen's just underneath it there and draw your favourite animal and then tell everyone what the f your favourite characteristics of that animal are and while you're doing that tell us your name , what your role is and perhaps how your animal relates to the role that you're taking in this project . 283.44 286.16 300.39 309.11 ES2006a B FEE024 1 306.348 307.694 306.41 307.6 Why are you looking at me ? 307.6 ES2006a C FEE021 2 311.005 315.061 311.26 315.061 Would you like to go first ? 314.98 ES2006a B FEE024 1 312.78 320.208 312.78 320.16 Do I have a choice ? Okay . Ooh ooh , things falling everywhere . Right , okay . 315.82 316.35 317.22 318.67 319.04 320.16 ES2006a C FEE021 2 316.737 320.656 316.86 320.61 Oh , yeah , p put them in pockets . 318.35 319.16 320.61 ES2006a B FEE024 1 325.814 326.789 325.98 326.41 Cool . 326.41 ES2006a C FEE021 2 327.678 330.688 328.14 330.65 You don't have to hurry , we've got plenty of time . 328.96 330.65 ES2006a B FEE024 1 327.98 328.785 328.23 328.68 Okay . 328.68 ES2006a B FEE024 1 331.472 338.192 331.49 338.192 So , my name's Cat and I'm really not very good at this whole drawing malarkey so um 331.94 ES2006a B FEE024 1 350.928 351.6 351.08 351.45 Okay . 351.45 ES2006a C FEE021 2 352.544 353.888 352.69 353.85 It's got no eyes . 353.85 ES2006a B FEE024 1 354.267 355.47 354.5 355.36 Oh , good point . 354.77 355.36 ES2006a B FEE024 1 356.784 360.672 356.86 360.64 Ah , the eyes always ruin it . Right . Okay , what do it's eyes like ? 356.97 358.44 358.78 359.16 360.64 ES2006a B FEE024 1 369.616 376.062 369.67 376.062 Okay , cool . Um this is a rabbit . 370.39 371.77 375.85 ES2006a C FEE021 2 373.696 377.04 373.696 377.04 I thought it might be a cat . 376.52 ES2006a D FEO023 3 373.712 379.502 373.712 379.502 Yeah well origi uh at first I thought it was going to be cat . 379.21 ES2006a B FEE024 1 379.006 382.673 379.17 382.56 Yeah , I don't think it's furry enough , so we'll make it a fluffy rabbit . 379.51 380.61 382.56 ES2006a D FEO023 3 380.745 384.016 380.88 384.016 Yeah now I now I understand now , yeah . 382.48 383.92 ES2006a C FEE021 2 382.358 385.248 382.358 385.18 Yeah I can see by the ears . 385.18 ES2006a D FEO023 3 385.472 385.952 385.49 385.86 Yeah . 385.86 ES2006a B FEE024 1 385.2 396.336 386.2 396.19 Okay , right , it's a fluffy rabbit , blue . Rabbits don't come in blue but you know . Um okay and I like it because it's small and it's fluffy . 386.64 386.94 388.84 389.17 391.49 396.19 ES2006a C FEE021 2 394.464 394.784 394.49 394.63 Mm . 394.63 ES2006a B FEE024 1 397.392 402.304 397.98 402.19 And one day you'll be able to getical genetically modify them and they will come in pink . 402.19 ES2006a D FEO023 3 402.437 403.768 402.74 403.768 Ah . 403.51 ES2006a B FEE024 1 403.552 405.2 403.552 405.16 Okay ? 405.16 ES2006a C FEE021 2 405.12 407.616 405.18 407.52 Excellent , and what's your what's your role within the team ? 405.68 407.52 ES2006a A MEO022 0 405.268 405.897 405.47 405.66 Mm . 405.66 ES2006a B FEE024 1 407.536 421.36 407.56 421.26 I am the um I need my notebook , mm ooh top banana . Thank you . Okay , cool , I am the Marketing Expert um so like 410.51 415.33 416.12 416.52 416.9 ES2006a B FEE024 1 422.352 441.696 422.37 441.61 I'm gonna be doing the apparently according to the little guy in the computer that knows everything the user g requirements specification of the functional design , um trend watching in the conceptual design and product evad-valuation in the detailed design um so yeah . 432.23 441.61 ES2006a A MEO022 0 432.109 432.859 432.41 432.76 Mm-hmm . 432.76 ES2006a C FEE021 2 439.488 440.96 439.6 440.55 Mm-hmm . 440.55 ES2006a A MEO022 0 439.832 440.48 440.02 440.36 Okay . 440.36 ES2006a C FEE021 2 442.256 444.656 442.28 444.62 And more about yourself , you're from ? 443.55 444.62 ES2006a A MEO022 0 442.105 443.015 442.5 442.93 'Kay . 442.93 ES2006a B FEE024 1 443.264 451.856 444.69 451.68 Um I'm from Leicester , um second year . Um what else do you want to know ? 447.14 449.51 451.68 ES2006a C FEE021 2 446.24 447.216 446.27 447.05 Mm-hmm . 447.05 ES2006a B FEE024 1 453.088 462.192 453.11 462.192 I like sports um yeah , aerobics , kickboxing , spinning um and uh 457.45 458.0 458.69 ES2006a C FEE021 2 461.219 463.584 462.11 463.584 But not with rabbits . 463.01 ES2006a B FEE024 1 463.552 477.823 463.57 477.823 not with rabbits , no no . And vets , I like vets as well . And yeah um and I like cocktails , especially pink ones . Okay ? Cool . 464.37 465.7 466.31 469.23 472.05 473.41 474.15 476.67 ES2006a A MEO022 0 464.303 464.925 464.5 464.64 Mm . 464.64 ES2006a A MEO022 0 473.248 474.389 473.248 474.34 Cool . 474.34 ES2006a C FEE021 2 473.968 476.656 473.99 476.656 Excellent , to match the rabbit . 474.43 476.24 ES2006a D FEO023 3 481.115 490.496 481.115 490.32 Okay . Um so my name is Maarika . Where's the pen ? Okay . 485.87 488.72 489.89 490.32 ES2006a C FEE021 2 494.32 499.83 494.34 499.61 There's a an if you have not enough room there's an eraser there and you can rub it off . 499.61 ES2006a D FEO023 3 498.752 521.84 499.12 521.74 Yeah , well , or I can make it smaller . Uh so um um I'm the Interface Designer in this project and my favourite animal , I m I mean I'm not so sure because I'm not so so very um familiar with all kinds of animals , but I do like dogs . Oh , sorry , maybe I should have shouldn't have said it beforehand but mm hmm . 499.81 500.07 502.48 508.07 514.66 516.14 516.3 516.62 521.74 ES2006a A MEO022 0 518.86 519.36 519.12 519.25 Mm . 519.25 ES2006a D FEO023 3 524.843 530.254 524.91 529.51 Um well , there are different kinds of dogs , but okay um . 525.73 527.09 529.51 ES2006a A MEO022 0 538.663 541.732 538.663 541.57 That's not bad at all . Yep . 541.39 541.57 ES2006a C FEE021 2 539.403 541.296 539.59 541.17 Ah it looks like a dog . 541.17 ES2006a D FEO023 3 541.216 542.832 541.52 542.37 Okay . 542.37 ES2006a B FEE024 1 541.844 545.696 541.91 545.64 Is a bit more impressive than my rabbit . I think it needs four legs if it's gonna walk though . 543.64 545.64 ES2006a D FEO023 3 544.768 558.496 546.03 558.14 Yeah , maybe it has some colourful patches , yeah . Um yeah and I do like dogs because they are good friends to people and they are loyal . 546.2 549.1 549.41 558.14 ES2006a C FEE021 2 548.117 551.171 548.117 551.02 the other legs are on the other side . 551.02 ES2006a D FEO023 3 560.256 570.256 560.39 569.13 Mm , well that's compared to some other animals like cats . Um they're really much more fun because they are not so independent . Um 562.13 564.24 568.62 ES2006a C FEE021 2 568.064 568.704 568.064 568.704 . 568.704 ES2006a D FEO023 3 571.664 618.866 571.77 618.866 yeah maybe maybe the fact that they protect their home as well , yeah . Um what it has to do with with my role in the project is hard to say . Uh I hope to be loyal to the project and not to n not to um let people doing similar projects know the details of our project or something , yeah . I'm from Estonia uh , yep . Um so is there anything else you'd like to know ? Oh , right , my roles , um so um in the different um stages of the design , so at first I will be responsible for um for yeah , designing the technical functions of the um 576.73 577.98 581.84 593.54 595.21 597.25 598.93 602.41 602.57 602.94 603.5 609.83 616.07 ES2006a C FEE021 2 593.279 595.113 593.65 594.77 And where where are you from ? 594.77 ES2006a C FEE021 2 596.287 597.328 596.35 596.95 Estonia . 596.95 ES2006a A MEO022 0 603.443 604.215 603.443 604.215 . 604.215 ES2006a D FEO023 3 619.616 639.2 619.64 638.45 um of the remote control uh then in the in the conceptual design stage I need to um come up with uh interface concept and then in the last um stage I will be responsible for the int infa for the user interface design . 638.45 ES2006a A MEO022 0 639.92 640.379 639.92 640.379 . 640.379 ES2006a D FEO023 3 640.928 643.535 640.928 643.535 Okay , that's it . 642.66 643.44 ES2006a A MEO022 0 642.24 643.711 642.45 643.53 Thank you . 643.53 ES2006a A MEO022 0 647.392 651.04 647.84 651.04 Okay um I'll do some - ES2006a A MEO022 0 653.35 659.76 653.53 659.76 I'll rub the features and let the drawing stay . 659.57 ES2006a A MEO022 0 660.685 662.864 660.86 662.63 'Kay um my name is Gaurav . 662.63 ES2006a A MEO022 0 668.928 677.232 668.95 677.2 Um my favourite animal one of my favourite animals is a cow . I've got no idea how to draw a cow . 675.2 677.2 ES2006a C FEE021 2 676.415 679.032 676.415 678.89 Good luck . 678.89 ES2006a A MEO022 0 680.992 683.2 681.18 683.2 Uh this is going to be - ES2006a B FEE024 1 684.064 688.512 684.08 688.48 They're not just like a big round body and then some really skinny legs and then just some horns . 688.48 ES2006a A MEO022 0 687.408 690.748 687.43 690.41 Yeah , that'll do . Okay , so let let me draw the body first . 687.85 688.55 688.78 690.41 ES2006a C FEE021 2 691.184 691.504 691.21 691.45 Mm . 691.45 ES2006a A MEO022 0 691.968 702.861 692.04 702.861 Big , round body , really skinny legs and they've got a long tail and a long face . 692.33 693.27 701.69 ES2006a C FEE021 2 701.12 703.52 701.12 703.46 It's eating . 703.46 ES2006a B FEE024 1 704.0 705.994 704.02 705.994 It looks like Eeyore . 705.65 ES2006a A MEO022 0 703.664 762.976 704.9 762.78 And there is some grass there . So this is what I like about cows that they just keeps sitting there eating grass , they do not disturb anybody um they're kind of Buddhist in a way . So yeah , I like cows . Um my my role in the project is um uh the industrial designer , so I'm supposed to design all the details of of the product um ho how it works and whatever it'll mm take during the functional role , what are the various functions that have to be performed by it uh during the um conceptual design , what are the various components of it and um finally , I'm not too sure what was the last part . Um the detailed design , I I guess it will again be the identification of the components and how they integrate with each other . 708.34 715.3 721.68 723.16 724.95 731.82 742.21 748.08 753.04 755.26 757.91 762.78 ES2006a C FEE021 2 706.48 708.384 706.5 708.384 Yeah . 708.1 ES2006a B FEE024 1 710.694 715.676 710.694 715.676 Horns , draw some horns . 713.51 715.38 ES2006a A MEO022 0 764.192 773.667 764.21 773.5 Um I'm from India . Uh I'm doing my P_H_D_ in Psycholinguistics , I sit at the Department of Psychology . Yeah . 766.93 770.25 773.3 773.5 ES2006a C FEE021 2 774.366 775.256 774.46 775.11 Excellent . 775.11 ES2006a D FEO023 3 774.667 776.283 774.667 775.69 Thanks . 775.69 ES2006a A MEO022 0 774.32 775.264 774.69 775.06 Thank you . 775.06 ES2006a C FEE021 2 776.288 778.96 776.64 778.96 Right , now now it's my turn obviously . 776.88 778.67 ES2006a C FEE021 2 791.196 792.464 791.24 792.34 Okay , here's a space . 791.68 792.34 ES2006a A MEO022 0 791.36 794.512 791.39 794.512 That doesn't look like a cow , does it ? 792.59 794.05 ES2006a D FEO023 3 792.758 796.096 792.758 796.05 It looks very very cute . 796.05 ES2006a C FEE021 2 795.68 798.4 795.7 798.34 Yeah , I like the cow . I'm Jen . 796.05 797.28 798.34 ES2006a D FEO023 3 797.143 797.797 797.32 797.58 Yeah . 797.58 ES2006a D FEO023 3 798.848 799.712 798.96 799.33 Mm-hmm . 799.33 ES2006a C FEE021 2 799.587 807.584 799.64 807.584 Um I like dogs too , but I can't do that already because I can't draw a dog as well as you can . I like 801.74 805.98 ES2006a C FEE021 2 808.704 809.536 808.72 809.44 Mm . 809.44 ES2006a B FEE024 1 825.376 826.587 825.48 826.24 Is that a lizard ? 826.24 ES2006a A MEO022 0 826.0 829.712 826.02 829.712 No way . 829.41 ES2006a C FEE021 2 828.333 829.107 828.54 829.07 Hmm . 829.07 ES2006a D FEO023 3 833.728 834.624 833.75 834.53 Wow . 834.53 ES2006a C FEE021 2 836.032 838.896 837.53 838.29 It's a gecko . 838.29 ES2006a D FEO023 3 838.555 846.976 838.84 846.94 Ah , a gecko , okay . Is a ar are they also like lizards or are they yeah , they are mm-hmm . 839.07 839.58 841.74 845.1 846.94 ES2006a A MEO022 0 838.928 839.792 839.01 839.64 Ah okay . 839.64 ES2006a C FEE021 2 839.904 840.576 839.92 840.54 Yeah . 840.54 ES2006a B FEE024 1 840.654 842.062 840.81 841.98 Is there a difference ? 841.98 ES2006a C FEE021 2 842.208 843.392 842.32 843.392 They're - ES2006a C FEE021 2 844.509 863.632 844.56 863.41 Yeah , they're l it's a kind of lizard . And I I like geckos because they remind me of warm places and , and where I was living in Cambodia they used to live in my house and they were on the ceiling and they would make little gecko noises in the evening . 844.8 846.91 852.74 863.41 ES2006a D FEO023 3 851.664 853.776 851.71 853.776 Ah . 853.33 ES2006a A MEO022 0 851.936 852.24 851.96 852.21 Uh-huh . 852.21 ES2006a D FEO023 3 861.184 864.416 861.2 864.31 Mm-hmm . I hope you don't like snakes , do you ? 862.59 863.95 864.31 ES2006a C FEE021 2 864.768 887.536 865.0 887.44 I don't like snakes . I come from Australia and we have nasty snakes . That's where I'm from , Australia . I'm from Melbourne and I'm your Project Manager for today and my role is basically to keep things going and make sure that you all work together 865.94 868.71 869.55 871.71 ES2006a D FEO023 3 866.0 867.008 866.03 867.008 Okay . 866.72 ES2006a D FEO023 3 868.384 869.52 868.54 869.21 Mm-hmm . 869.21 ES2006a A MEO022 0 880.178 880.8 880.31 880.58 Mm . 880.58 ES2006a C FEE021 2 888.64 892.995 888.66 892.95 in a productive way , so that by the end of the day we come up with a great product . 889.49 892.95 ES2006a D FEO023 3 893.898 894.72 894.02 894.61 Wonderful . 894.61 ES2006a C FEE021 2 895.28 898.16 895.28 898.13 Okay . 898.13 ES2006a A MEO022 0 897.256 898.928 897.51 898.89 Thank you . 898.89 ES2006a C FEE021 2 905.456 909.52 905.52 909.4 So , let's see what's next in the PowerPoint presentation . 906.03 909.4 ES2006a C FEE021 2 911.888 927.664 911.94 927.63 So , I've just thought yeah I've just thought about this that we could even put it much more professionally as there we go . Okay , so this is the um overall budget for our 912.94 921.81 922.17 ES2006a B FEE024 1 912.555 915.299 912.88 915.299 If you right click on it you can - ES2006a A MEO022 0 918.533 920.016 919.02 919.93 Mm-hmm . 919.93 ES2006a C FEE021 2 929.408 943.409 929.43 943.34 project . We've got um we're planning to sell these remote controls for let's make that go away , that means we've got five minutes . Um we're planning to sell the remote controls for twenty five Euros each . 930.48 936.47 938.27 943.34 ES2006a C FEE021 2 944.464 949.984 944.61 949.95 Um and with that we're aiming for a profit of fifty million Euros . 949.95 ES2006a C FEE021 2 952.048 955.952 952.07 955.89 And that's selling them on the international market , not just in the U_K_ . 954.24 955.89 ES2006a C FEE021 2 957.776 969.895 957.83 969.82 Um so to do that our finance people estimate that we need production costs of maximum twelve and a half Euro so that we can reach that - ES2006a C FEE021 2 970.928 972.672 970.95 972.63 profit target . 972.63 ES2006a C FEE021 2 990.192 993.868 990.27 993.78 So that's something to keep in mind while you're designing . 993.78 ES2006a C FEE021 2 997.344 998.976 997.36 998.93 Okay . 998.93 ES2006a C FEE021 2 1002.368 1003.184 1002.39 1003.13 Hmm . 1003.13 ES2006a C FEE021 2 1005.696 1021.44 1005.72 1021.29 This is let me just skip ahead to see that's the last thing , okay . We've only got a couple of minutes . Does anyone have any first ideas to bounce around about um what we're thinking of this remote control ? 1008.77 1010.68 1012.84 1021.29 ES2006a D FEO023 3 1019.828 1032.368 1020.27 1032.2 Yep . I'm just wondering whether whether there is like any special feature that we want to have w want this remote control have as opposed to the already existing ones . 1021.37 1032.2 ES2006a C FEE021 2 1032.384 1033.408 1032.45 1033.3 Mm-hmm . 1033.3 ES2006a C FEE021 2 1040.032 1057.137 1040.05 1057.03 I think that's probably something that w it's best if we take away with us , but if we all have a think , when we go away from the meeting , what specific things could be um included in this remote control that that are out of the ordinary . 1044.49 1046.65 1048.95 1057.03 ES2006a A MEO022 0 1044.758 1045.5 1044.88 1045.34 Mm-hmm . 1045.34 ES2006a A MEO022 0 1054.56 1072.96 1054.56 1072.89 I think uh i in the beginning uh one thing was that was mentioned was that it should be mm trendy , user friendly and original so um I think your point is relevant as far as the originality is concerned , that we should provide some features that are quite unique to this . 1061.76 1069.24 1072.89 ES2006a C FEE021 2 1072.166 1073.776 1072.22 1073.64 Something something new . 1073.64 ES2006a B FEE024 1 1073.776 1103.842 1073.8 1103.75 Yeah , I was looking at the website , and the other things that they've made and I like put down some like inspirational words like that I got from looking at the pictures . So the motto is um we put the fashion in electronics and um so it's something that is sleek and stylish but it's still functional , you know ? So I'm kind of thinking , you know like those phones that they have , the new generation ones , where they don't actually have any buttons on them and stuff like that . 1074.15 1075.38 1084.27 1093.8 1094.18 1096.21 1099.47 1101.42 1103.75 ES2006a A MEO022 0 1074.312 1074.867 1074.46 1074.75 Mm . 1074.75 ES2006a C FEE021 2 1083.782 1084.384 1084.03 1084.35 Mm-hmm . 1084.35 ES2006a C FEE021 2 1093.28 1093.888 1093.3 1093.85 Mm-hmm . 1093.85 ES2006a C FEE021 2 1104.004 1104.641 1104.21 1104.56 Uh-huh . 1104.56 ES2006a A MEO022 0 1104.144 1104.816 1104.28 1104.69 Alright . 1104.69 ES2006a B FEE024 1 1104.736 1113.088 1104.76 1113.04 You know , so something heading towards that , so it's not overly I mean I don't know what h most of the buttons do on my remote controls , so I figure how many do you need , you know ? 1105.18 1106.86 1111.41 1112.65 1113.04 ES2006a C FEE021 2 1113.232 1113.824 1113.29 1113.79 Mm-hmm . 1113.79 ES2006a A MEO022 0 1115.2 1116.288 1115.29 1116.25 Mm . 1116.25 ES2006a B FEE024 1 1115.033 1115.964 1115.31 1115.75 Okay . 1115.75 ES2006a C FEE021 2 1115.218 1118.56 1115.45 1118.56 So perhaps some sort of menu-based thing , or 1117.43 ES2006a B FEE024 1 1119.032 1134.61 1119.58 1134.42 Something that's a little less crowded than this , like I mean you know , theoretically you can do all kinds of things with your T_V_ , right ? But what do most people do ? They turn it on , they watch certain specified channels , you know , and then they turn it off again . Sometimes they play a movie . 1121.69 1123.19 1125.69 1126.37 1127.54 1128.41 1131.04 1131.45 1133.19 1134.42 ES2006a C FEE021 2 1121.68 1122.16 1121.71 1122.06 Mm-hmm . 1122.06 ES2006a C FEE021 2 1126.256 1126.755 1126.29 1126.54 Yeah . 1126.54 ES2006a A MEO022 0 1128.582 1129.096 1128.64 1128.99 Yeah . 1128.99 ES2006a C FEE021 2 1130.416 1131.248 1130.44 1130.86 Yeah . 1130.86 ES2006a A MEO022 0 1132.736 1139.821 1132.736 1139.72 There is a lot of functionality in there that is not used ninety percent of the time , but will be used ten percent of the time , yeah . 1137.53 1139.44 1139.72 ES2006a B FEE024 1 1136.996 1138.112 1137.15 1137.97 Yeah , so 1137.55 ES2006a C FEE021 2 1136.973 1137.744 1137.27 1137.57 Yeah . 1137.57 ES2006a B FEE024 1 1139.021 1142.336 1139.08 1142.336 there's no need to have buttons on it to do that , maybe to do 1141.35 ES2006a C FEE021 2 1139.366 1146.848 1139.43 1146.37 So , no . It could be one button for a menu or something , if you really need to go and do that . 1140.73 1142.32 1144.62 1146.37 ES2006a A MEO022 0 1141.76 1142.267 1141.87 1142.09 Yep . 1142.09 ES2006a B FEE024 1 1144.42 1145.101 1144.63 1145.07 Yeah . 1145.07 ES2006a D FEO023 3 1144.741 1145.346 1144.87 1145.31 Mm-hmm . 1145.31 ES2006a A MEO022 0 1144.652 1146.359 1145.15 1146.359 And then use the - ES2006a B FEE024 1 1145.846 1157.443 1145.93 1157.26 So , if you're the kind of sad case that knows how your remote control works , then you know that's fine and you can do it on the screen rather than everybody else having to have those buttons , which just confuse them . Hmm . 1146.13 1149.92 1154.79 1157.06 1157.26 ES2006a A MEO022 0 1150.345 1150.973 1150.51 1150.87 Mm . 1150.87 ES2006a C FEE021 2 1155.872 1156.368 1155.9 1156.32 Mm-hmm . 1156.32 ES2006a C FEE021 2 1157.776 1158.533 1157.8 1158.41 Excellent . 1158.41 ES2006a B FEE024 1 1159.632 1175.248 1159.65 1175.15 'Cause like if you look at the train , it's just very like , there's no extra bits on it , the train on the website and I dunno if you can put it up on the thing um but it is just like a long like thing used for mu moving people , but it looks really pretty too . 1161.08 1163.27 1164.5 1174.0 1175.15 ES2006a C FEE021 2 1166.896 1168.494 1166.92 1168.26 Oh I haven't had a look yet , yep . 1167.96 1168.26 ES2006a C FEE021 2 1175.211 1175.84 1175.46 1175.69 Mm-hmm . 1175.69 ES2006a C FEE021 2 1179.68 1184.912 1179.7 1184.88 Great . Any other immediate thoughts before we 1180.58 ES2006a A MEO022 0 1182.896 1184.416 1183.28 1184.38 Mm . 1184.38 ES2006a C FEE021 2 1186.608 1187.577 1186.7 1187.49 move along ? 1187.49 ES2006a A MEO022 0 1188.32 1205.04 1188.32 1205.04 Uh we can aim for I mean we can think about all these little things , but we can aim for something wi that gives a high battery life , although I don't think that um it's a huge problem for remote controls anyway , battery life , uh every now and then you need to replace the batteries . Um 1192.19 1195.29 1199.25 1199.99 1203.58 ES2006a C FEE021 2 1195.251 1196.15 1195.57 1195.9 Mm-hmm . 1195.9 ES2006a C FEE021 2 1203.232 1203.607 1203.25 1203.51 Yeah . 1203.51 ES2006a D FEO023 3 1208.541 1221.506 1208.62 1221.35 Yeah but uh I mean e even though it has to be re original we shouldn't uh go like too far away from from the usual ones , because otherwise the new users will just have a lot of problems with l learning , yeah , yeah . 1215.29 1220.61 1221.04 1221.35 ES2006a A MEO022 0 1208.489 1209.304 1208.85 1209.23 Hmm . 1209.23 ES2006a A MEO022 0 1216.188 1216.992 1216.33 1216.71 Yeah . 1216.71 ES2006a A MEO022 0 1218.112 1219.952 1218.19 1219.92 A big learning curve , yeah . 1219.53 1219.92 ES2006a C FEE021 2 1219.434 1220.19 1219.67 1220.15 Mm-hmm . 1220.15 ES2006a A MEO022 0 1221.152 1228.656 1221.17 1228.62 Yeah . So , i it should kind of fit in as well , and the stereotype of a yeah . 1222.24 1223.11 1225.51 1228.62 ES2006a C FEE021 2 1225.557 1227.434 1225.62 1227.38 It's like those fancy websites - ES2006a D FEO023 3 1228.064 1228.944 1228.13 1228.9 Hm-hmm . 1228.9 ES2006a C FEE021 2 1229.504 1234.576 1229.54 1234.46 that you can't access because you have no idea how to get in , but the designers thought they were great . 1233.15 1234.46 ES2006a C FEE021 2 1236.49 1247.184 1236.66 1247.14 Okay , so we need to wrap it up now , so that we can go away and get on with some of this . Um we've got another meeting in thirty minutes , so 1237.2 1239.0 1242.04 1246.4 ES2006a C FEE021 2 1248.448 1257.68 1248.47 1257.64 you're you'll be getting specific instructions once you go back to your workspace , but im basically you're looking at the working design , 1253.52 1257.64 ES2006a A MEO022 0 1257.6 1258.864 1257.6 1258.41 Alright . 1258.41 ES2006a C FEE021 2 1259.632 1261.872 1259.65 1261.84 you're looking at the technical functions design , 1261.84 ES2006a C FEE021 2 1263.856 1268.528 1263.88 1268.47 and for you it's the user requirements specification , like you said at the start . 1267.41 1268.47 ES2006a B FEE024 1 1266.409 1267.036 1266.64 1266.86 Mm-hmm . 1266.86 ES2006a C FEE021 2 1269.648 1270.64 1269.67 1270.08 Okay ? 1270.08 ES2006a D FEO023 3 1271.853 1274.384 1272.06 1274.33 Okay . Thank you . 1273.61 1274.33 ES2006a C FEE021 2 1272.384 1273.504 1272.4 1273.43 Thanks for that . 1273.43 ES2006a C FEE021 2 1274.496 1276.816 1274.52 1276.75 Uh I'll see you in half an hour . 1276.75 ES2006a A MEO022 0 1276.736 1277.856 1276.736 1277.856 . 1277.856 ES2006a D FEO023 3 1277.056 1278.416 1277.056 1278.19 See you . 1278.19 ES2006a C FEE021 2 1278.336 1282.208 1278.36 1282.15 Carry the laptops back again . Do we need to unplug things ? Probably . 1279.85 1281.57 1282.15 ES2006a A MEO022 0 1279.587 1280.153 1279.61 1280.12 Hmm . 1280.12 ES2006b C FEE021 2 11.76 13.36 11.81 13.36 All hooked up . 13.32 ES2006b C FEE021 2 14.72 38.992 15.32 38.91 Okay , so now we are here at the functional design meeting . Um hopefully this meeting I'll be doing a little bit less talking than I did last time 'cause this is when you get to show us what you've been doing individually . The agenda for the meeting , I put it in the sh shared documents folder . I don't know if that meant that you could see it or not . 16.2 20.74 31.03 33.58 36.23 38.91 ES2006b C FEE021 2 40.112 54.528 40.13 54.49 Did anyone ? No . Oh well . Um I'll try and do that for the next meeting as well so if you check in there , there's a shared project documents folder . Um and it should be in there . 41.78 42.72 43.48 47.86 51.97 54.49 ES2006b D FEO023 3 41.104 41.902 41.15 41.78 No . 41.78 ES2006b A MEO022 0 40.688 42.768 41.46 42.72 Mm . 42.72 ES2006b D FEO023 3 54.448 55.28 54.48 55.25 Mm . 55.25 ES2006b D FEO023 3 56.544 61.52 56.64 61.47 Um um wi on on a what ? Oh project project documents , yeah , yeah , yeah , okay . 58.86 60.21 60.57 60.81 61.04 61.47 ES2006b C FEE021 2 60.304 67.392 60.32 67.23 Project documents , yeah . So I'll put it in there . Is it best if I send you an email maybe , to let you know it's there ? 61.6 62.34 63.52 65.37 67.23 ES2006b D FEO023 3 62.693 63.792 62.88 63.76 Oh okay , yeah . 63.53 63.76 ES2006b D FEO023 3 67.632 69.184 67.7 69.09 Yes , I think so . 68.48 69.09 ES2006b C FEE021 2 68.375 80.16 68.42 80.11 Yep . I'll do that next time . Um I'll act as secretary for this meeting and just take minutes as we go through , and then I'll send them to you after the meeting . 69.27 70.89 77.45 80.11 ES2006b C FEE021 2 81.712 128.64 81.73 127.8 The main the main focus of this meeting is your presentations that you've been preparing during the time , so we'll go through each of you one by one . Um then we need to briefly discuss the new project requirements that were sent to us . I just sent at the last minute , I'm sorry about that , but we can see how that affects what you were you were doing . Um and then we need to , by the end of the meeting come to some kind of decision on who our target group's going to be and what the functions of the remote control that's the the main goal is to come up with those two things , target group and functions of the remote control . And we've got forty minutes to do that in . 88.55 91.78 97.58 99.89 101.21 105.09 109.8 121.67 125.83 127.8 ES2006b D FEO023 3 97.808 99.92 97.83 99.89 Yeah , the last minute , yeah , yeah . 98.07 98.83 99.6 99.89 ES2006b D FEO023 3 102.551 103.499 102.74 103.18 Yeah . 103.18 ES2006b C FEE021 2 130.192 130.832 130.21 130.78 So - ES2006b C FEE021 2 131.856 132.784 131.88 132.54 I would - ES2006b A MEO022 0 133.44 136.912 133.62 136.82 You said uh targ target groups , what does that mean ? 135.99 136.82 ES2006b C FEE021 2 133.712 134.903 133.75 134.78 say yeah ? 134.78 ES2006b D FEO023 3 136.832 137.93 136.832 137.93 Um - ES2006b C FEE021 2 137.144 141.44 137.19 141.4 As uh who it is that we're going to be trying to sell this thing to , yeah . 141.08 141.4 ES2006b A MEO022 0 140.112 141.688 140.14 141.61 Uh okay , 'kay . 141.07 141.61 ES2006b A MEO022 0 142.096 143.594 142.48 143.594 So are - ES2006b C FEE021 2 142.871 155.68 142.89 155.59 So we need to yeah , we need to have a fairly defined group that that we want to focus on and then look at the functions um of the dem remote control itself . 143.8 155.59 ES2006b A MEO022 0 146.464 147.248 146.57 147.14 Okay . 147.14 ES2006b C FEE021 2 156.992 163.008 157.01 162.97 So with that I think it's best if I hand over to you . Does anyone have a preference for going first ? 160.07 162.97 ES2006b A MEO022 0 160.608 161.104 160.63 161.05 Alright . 161.05 ES2006b A MEO022 0 163.168 165.76 163.168 165.65 I can go first , yeah . 165.19 165.65 ES2006b C FEE021 2 164.512 170.528 164.53 170.48 You wanna go first ? Okay , so we need to unplug my laptop and plug in yours . 165.58 165.98 170.48 ES2006b D FEO023 3 164.768 166.112 164.81 166.05 Okay . Hmm . 165.84 166.05 ES2006b C FEE021 2 172.576 174.44 172.6 174.38 I assume we just pull it out ? 174.38 ES2006b D FEO023 3 174.96 175.488 175.3 175.44 Mm . 175.44 ES2006b A MEO022 0 197.063 203.728 197.063 203.728 Right . Um so f from the 199.07 ES2006b C FEE021 2 203.552 216.269 203.57 216.03 Just before you start , to make it easier , would you three mind emailing me your presentations ? Once we you don't have to do it now but when once you go back , just so that I don't have to scribble everything down . 204.87 205.85 209.63 213.56 216.03 ES2006b D FEO023 3 210.864 212.594 210.9 212.53 Okay , yeah , afterwards , yeah , okay . 211.38 211.68 212.08 212.26 212.53 ES2006b A MEO022 0 213.104 213.696 213.17 213.66 Right sure . 213.66 ES2006b A MEO022 0 215.968 217.344 216.0 217.344 Uh okay . 216.85 ES2006b A MEO022 0 218.432 247.728 218.432 247.65 So n uh with uh with regard to the uh working design of this uh uh remote control uh I've identified um a few basic uh components of the remote and uh se uh from the design , functional design perspective um w I c we can now uh know wha what exactly the components are and how how they work together with each other . 238.17 247.65 ES2006b A MEO022 0 250.864 252.752 250.864 252.752 So - ES2006b A MEO022 0 254.24 261.955 254.24 261.87 this is the method that uh I'll mostly be following in my um in my uh role . 261.87 ES2006b A MEO022 0 261.955 288.496 262.14 288.43 Um the identification of the components , uh and uh since since I'm dealing only with the technical aspects , I would need feedback from the marketing person uh and uh from the user interface person . Uh we'll then integrate this into the product design at a technical level and uh basically update and come up with a new design , so it's a cyclical process . 265.68 270.37 278.26 287.05 288.43 ES2006b C FEE021 2 278.016 278.571 278.23 278.43 Hmm . 278.43 ES2006b A MEO022 0 289.792 313.828 289.792 313.77 Okay , so these were the basic findings from today . The last three bullets have been integrated from uh the last minute uh email . Uh I just quickly jotted them down . Um so basically uh the as I told you the identification of how the remote control works and what are the various parts to it 291.31 296.71 301.95 304.88 ES2006b A MEO022 0 314.82 342.873 315.38 342.76 uh and what are the different processes um and how the parts uh communicate with each other . Um okay , so e the mee email said that teletext is now outdated , so we need to do away with that functionality of the remote control . Um also uh the remote control should be used only for television , because incorporating other features um makes it more comp complex . 322.08 323.46 327.87 332.39 338.26 342.76 ES2006b A MEO022 0 342.873 377.536 343.22 377.43 And the reason why teletext is outdated because uh of internet and uh the availability of internet over television . How however , our our remote control would only be dealing uh with the the use for television , in order to keep things simple . Um also the management wants that um our design should be unique uh it so it should incorporate um colour and the slogan uh that our company um has it as its standard . 350.8 351.54 357.69 359.84 377.43 ES2006b A MEO022 0 379.504 398.608 379.504 398.608 Okay , so he he here is a functional overview of the remote control . Um there's basically an energy source at the heart uh which feeds into the chip and the user interface . The user interf interface communicates with the chip , so I'll basic go over to the 380.23 384.51 392.83 395.96 ES2006b A MEO022 0 406.838 407.396 406.93 407.24 Okay . 407.24 ES2006b A MEO022 0 409.472 421.168 409.472 421.01 So if uh if this is our energy source and this is a cell , uh it communicates uh it feeds energy into the 416.14 ES2006b A MEO022 0 423.728 431.76 423.78 431.72 into the chip , which basically finds out h uh how how to do everything . There is a user interface here . 425.76 429.89 431.72 ES2006b A MEO022 0 433.136 451.744 433.136 451.61 So whe when the user presses a button , it feeds into the chip and the chip then generates a response and takes the response to an infrared terminal , um which then so the output of the chip is an infrared bit code , 435.63 444.42 451.61 ES2006b A MEO022 0 453.104 458.128 453.45 458.02 which is then communicated to the remote site , which h has an infrared receiver . 455.76 458.02 ES2006b A MEO022 0 460.608 484.224 460.63 484.19 Um the there can be uh a bulb here or something to indicate whether the remote is on or communicating . Um so these are the essent so a all the functionality of the remote control , whatever new functions that we need to do , um make the chip more complicated uh and bigger , basically . 469.66 476.7 478.98 483.77 484.19 ES2006b C FEE021 2 481.697 482.293 481.87 482.24 Mm-hmm . 482.24 ES2006b A MEO022 0 488.194 492.624 488.194 492.57 Okay . 492.57 ES2006b A MEO022 0 493.936 534.066 493.936 534.066 Um so i in my personal preferences um I'm hoping that we can ke keep the design as simple and clear as possible . This would uh help us uh to upgrade our technology at a future point of time . And uh also if we can incorporate uh the latest features in our chip design , so that our um uh remote control does not become outdated soon and it's compatible with mot most uh televisions . That's about it . So anything that you would like to know or 506.19 511.5 518.59 528.25 529.75 ES2006b D FEO023 3 529.649 530.776 529.649 530.53 Thanks . 530.53 ES2006b C FEE021 2 529.537 530.599 529.77 530.16 Okay . 530.16 ES2006b C FEE021 2 533.408 540.622 533.43 540.3 Do you have any um i idea about costs at this point ? Br 538.82 ES2006b A MEO022 0 537.92 544.592 537.92 544.36 No , I don't have any idea about what each component costs . Um yeah . 539.36 542.74 544.36 ES2006b C FEE021 2 542.65 543.692 542.8 543.26 Okay . 543.26 ES2006b A MEO022 0 547.152 549.164 547.152 549.06 Anything else ? 549.06 ES2006b C FEE021 2 547.952 554.448 547.97 554.3 'Cause that's something to consider , I guess , if we're if we're using more advanced technology , it might 550.15 550.52 553.84 ES2006b A MEO022 0 551.264 551.696 551.41 551.66 Yeah . 551.66 ES2006b A MEO022 0 554.608 567.664 554.68 567.63 Certainly , yeah . So so tha yeah , we definitely need to operate within our constraints , but um unfortunately I I do not have any data , so uh I just identified the functional components for that . 555.45 555.78 557.01 560.56 564.48 567.63 ES2006b C FEE021 2 555.814 557.689 556.1 557.55 increase the price . 557.55 ES2006b C FEE021 2 559.824 560.912 559.87 560.22 Yeah . 560.22 ES2006b C FEE021 2 567.472 568.464 567.49 568.42 That's fine . 568.42 ES2006b C FEE021 2 570.128 571.28 570.15 571.22 Are there any more - ES2006b C FEE021 2 573.328 578.352 573.36 578.09 questions , or shall we just skip straight to the next one and then we can discuss all of them together at the end ? 573.89 578.09 ES2006b D FEO023 3 576.945 580.78 576.945 580.69 I think we need like some general discussion at the end probably . 580.69 ES2006b C FEE021 2 579.92 582.704 579.94 582.704 Yeah , I think that will do . Okay , so do you want to 580.33 581.61 581.98 ES2006b A MEO022 0 580.208 581.999 580.23 581.85 Yeah , okay . 581.55 581.85 ES2006b D FEO023 3 581.456 591.84 581.48 591.67 Yeah . Yeah , I think since since we were discussing some um design issues then I I I would like to continue okay , yeah . 582.73 582.99 590.84 591.67 ES2006b C FEE021 2 588.336 593.264 588.43 593.12 Yes , shall shall we pull this up ? I think that has to come out of there . 589.17 591.27 593.12 ES2006b A MEO022 0 592.602 593.327 592.72 593.07 Yeah . 593.07 ES2006b A MEO022 0 596.079 597.344 596.26 597.2 Mm 'kay . 597.2 ES2006b C FEE021 2 595.808 596.912 596.26 596.6 Yeah . 596.6 ES2006b D FEO023 3 596.949 599.033 596.949 598.83 Thanks . Oh i 598.56 ES2006b C FEE021 2 598.08 603.584 598.14 603.584 Yeah , I thought those last minute things , they're gonna hit you the worst . 598.37 599.79 603.54 ES2006b D FEO023 3 608.224 612.208 608.78 612.208 Okay , I hope wait . Should it just 609.34 611.25 ES2006b A MEO022 0 612.16 613.44 612.24 613.36 I it'll take some time . 613.36 ES2006b C FEE021 2 613.06 614.64 613.23 614.64 It ta takes a little - ES2006b D FEO023 3 616.272 617.319 616.29 617.14 There's just nothing . 617.14 ES2006b C FEE021 2 616.672 628.016 616.69 627.95 Oh , and have you you need to then also press on yours , function F_ eight , so the blue function key at the bottom and F_ eight . 616.84 621.12 623.91 627.95 ES2006b D FEO023 3 620.24 622.066 620.26 622.066 Oh right , right , right , um 620.7 620.92 621.21 ES2006b D FEO023 3 626.48 627.088 626.5 627.01 Okay . 627.01 ES2006b D FEO023 3 629.568 632.204 629.67 632.01 Nothin okay , something is coming up . 630.5 632.01 ES2006b A MEO022 0 630.242 634.272 630.38 634.22 Oh , there it is , yeah . It'll come up , it um uh no signal . 630.63 631.19 632.27 632.83 634.22 ES2006b C FEE021 2 630.904 634.576 630.904 634.4 Now it's coming , computer no signal . 633.06 634.4 ES2006b D FEO023 3 633.44 635.696 633.46 635.57 No signal ? Why ? 635.02 635.57 ES2006b C FEE021 2 635.824 636.814 635.84 636.77 Maybe again ? 636.77 ES2006b A MEO022 0 640.352 643.448 640.37 643.448 Yeah yeah , it says something now , adjusting 640.72 642.77 ES2006b D FEO023 3 642.224 644.848 642.25 644.8 Oh . My my computer went blank now . 643.17 644.8 ES2006b C FEE021 2 645.248 647.856 645.27 647.63 Okay , adjusting . 646.73 647.63 ES2006b D FEO023 3 646.048 646.768 646.08 646.6 Adjusting . 646.6 ES2006b D FEO023 3 648.864 654.386 648.93 654.386 But I don't see anything I don't see anything on my computer now . This is the problem , but 653.04 653.87 ES2006b C FEE021 2 650.27 651.411 650.33 651.22 There we go , there we go . 650.77 651.22 ES2006b A MEO022 0 650.72 651.104 650.74 651.07 Okay . 651.07 ES2006b A MEO022 0 653.041 654.387 653.19 654.34 Oh , that's strange . 653.23 654.34 ES2006b C FEE021 2 653.44 662.145 653.46 662.01 Oh , if you press if you press function and that again there's there's usually three modes , one where it's only here , one where it's only there , and one where it's both . 653.62 658.75 659.98 660.94 662.01 ES2006b A MEO022 0 660.224 660.592 660.24 660.56 Okay . 660.56 ES2006b D FEO023 3 661.584 663.742 661.65 663.18 Um . 663.18 ES2006b A MEO022 0 662.624 664.816 662.65 664.68 And one more time . 664.68 ES2006b C FEE021 2 662.669 664.416 662.7 664.32 Okay , so one more time . 663.02 664.32 ES2006b D FEO023 3 666.752 670.016 666.77 669.91 Uh now it's okay . No ? No . 668.43 669.57 669.91 ES2006b C FEE021 2 669.936 672.88 669.96 672.85 Should yeah just wait for a moment , adjusting . 671.76 672.85 ES2006b A MEO022 0 670.016 671.144 670.05 671.09 Mm . 671.09 ES2006b D FEO023 3 672.496 673.856 672.52 673.73 Oh okay . 673.73 ES2006b C FEE021 2 675.776 676.675 675.776 676.55 Okay . 676.55 ES2006b D FEO023 3 675.632 677.673 675.8 677.22 Okay , that's fine , that's good . 676.11 676.72 677.22 ES2006b D FEO023 3 679.6 737.157 679.62 737.05 Okay , let's start from the beginning . So I'm going to speak about technical functions design uh just like some some first issues that came up . Um 'kay , so the method I was um adopting at this point , it's not um for the for the whole um period of the um all the project but it's just at th at this very moment . Um uh my method was um to look at um other um remote controls , uh so mostly just by searching on the web and to see what um functionality they used . And then um after having got this inspiration and having compared what I found on the web um just to think about what the de what the user really needs and what um what the user might desire as additional uh functionalities . 680.05 682.04 692.24 694.6 698.08 708.25 715.09 722.48 737.05 ES2006b C FEE021 2 707.76 708.304 707.87 708.23 Mm-hmm . 708.23 ES2006b D FEO023 3 737.922 792.512 737.922 792.34 And yeah , and then just to um put the main function of the remote control in in words . Um so the findings uh were um that the main function of the remote control is is just sending messages to the television set , so this quite straightforward . And uh w some of the main functions would be switching on , switching off , uh then the user would like to switch the channel um for example just m changing to the next channel to to flip through all all of the possible channels , or then mm uh the other possibility would be that um she might just want to choose one particular channel , so we would need the numbers . And and also the volume is very important . Um um I als okay . 738.87 746.4 755.97 758.0 760.82 762.21 774.1 781.61 783.89 787.36 792.34 ES2006b C FEE021 2 745.68 746.448 745.72 746.36 Mm-hmm . 746.36 ES2006b A MEO022 0 790.192 798.928 790.192 798.88 Sorry , cou could you go back for a second ? Uh switching on off channel , uh volume , okay , that's great . 790.58 792.47 795.49 797.8 798.55 798.88 ES2006b D FEO023 3 799.438 800.544 799.77 800.19 'Kay . 800.19 ES2006b D FEO023 3 801.568 857.112 802.18 857.04 Um um among the findings I found that m m most of the curr mm presently available remote controls also include other mm functionalities um in their design , like operating a V_C_R_ , but they don't seem to be able to deal with D_V_D_ players , but then there are surely there are many other functionali functions that could possibly be added to them , but according to the last minute update um actually um we do not want to have all this complicated functions added to our design . So my personal preferences would be uh to keep the mm the whole remote control small um just like the physical size . And then it must be easy to use , so it must follow some conventions um like whereabouts you find the on off button and maybe the colour tends to be red or something . 814.34 816.26 819.87 826.49 836.43 846.12 847.79 857.04 ES2006b C FEE021 2 829.024 830.32 829.24 830.27 Mm-hmm . 830.27 ES2006b D FEO023 3 857.587 902.631 857.63 902.631 Um then yeah , the must-have buttons would be on off and then the channel numbers and then um the one that allows us to go to the next or the previous channel , and then volume has to be there . But then um other functionalities um could be just uh there could be a menu button and you could change things on the screen then , um for example brightness and mm similar functions could be just um done through the menu . And yeah , the last question I had about whether we wanted to incorporate n uh more functionalities , the answer was already no because of the last minute update . So at the for the time being that's uh that's all . If you have questions 860.38 869.78 871.46 880.45 888.89 889.61 895.57 898.99 901.56 ES2006b C FEE021 2 898.688 899.152 898.72 899.03 Mm-hmm . 899.03 ES2006b C FEE021 2 901.56 914.64 901.73 914.58 Yeah . If I mean that was the the directive that came through from management , but if we had a a decent case for that we really think it's important to include video and D_V_D_ , I could get back to them and see . 902.83 907.02 913.13 914.58 ES2006b C FEE021 2 915.68 917.766 915.7 917.66 It's w it's just whether it's worth arguing about . 917.66 ES2006b D FEO023 3 917.92 923.648 917.94 923.648 Yeah , and also it's it's um other question is uh because there are so many different 918.33 ES2006b D FEO023 3 926.992 944.496 927.01 944.46 And there are so many different things that could possibly be included because besides video and D_V_D_ there are the mm um video C_D_s and whatever , so it might be problematic to to choose between all these possible things . 937.61 944.46 ES2006b C FEE021 2 930.664 931.286 930.71 931.09 Mm-hmm . 931.09 ES2006b C FEE021 2 938.592 939.92 938.61 939.87 Yeah . 939.87 ES2006b C FEE021 2 942.816 944.048 942.85 943.96 Mm-hmm . 943.96 ES2006b C FEE021 2 953.308 960.656 953.62 960.59 Okay . Are there any questions for clarification of Maarika before we go on to the next one ? 955.55 960.59 ES2006b A MEO022 0 961.44 992.24 961.44 992.1 So in the u user interface requirements uh uh uh we we have been able to identify what are the basic buttons that we do want . Um but um so so at this stage , uh how we go about implementing those button we will not identify or I mean in we can completely do away with buttons and uh have some kind of a fancy user interface or something like that . But uh is is there any uh uh any thoughts on that ? 971.11 976.71 988.88 992.1 ES2006b D FEO023 3 992.736 1025.376 992.76 1025.34 Um well , I think the buttons are still mm kind of the most um easy for the user to use , I mean um what other options would you have ? A little screen or something , but this would be really kind of I think a lot of learning for the user and and I mean the user just wants to get um get a result um quickly , not to spend time in like um giving several orders um I dunno . I think I th I would I would think the put the buttons , but if if you have other mm proposals um . 993.35 998.37 1001.14 1002.25 1012.1 1017.91 1020.94 1025.34 ES2006b A MEO022 0 998.379 999.047 998.6 998.84 Right . 998.84 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1003.392 1006.768 1003.5 1006.65 Yeah , and it'll make the costs yeah . 1004.68 1006.65 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1016.592 1017.057 1016.64 1016.87 Right . 1016.87 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1017.712 1018.656 1017.75 1018.38 Mm-hmm . 1018.38 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1023.584 1046.416 1024.75 1046.34 Uh I think the co costs will also play a big role when we come to know about them . So well we can probably wait until t we have more knowledge on that . Uh i if the if the costs allow , we can have like an L_C_D_ display and uh with um because we do want something fancy and fashionable as well . So yeah ? Cool . 1029.38 1033.6 1035.18 1043.21 1046.05 1046.34 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1025.099 1025.78 1025.35 1025.46 Mm . 1025.46 ES2006b D FEO023 3 1029.376 1029.886 1029.4 1029.76 Yeah . 1029.76 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1029.34 1030.112 1029.61 1029.98 Mm . 1029.98 ES2006b D FEO023 3 1033.44 1034.118 1033.46 1033.96 Yeah . 1033.96 ES2006b D FEO023 3 1042.944 1043.376 1042.97 1043.34 Mm-hmm . 1043.34 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1043.06 1043.856 1043.23 1043.8 Mm-hmm . 1043.8 ES2006b D FEO023 3 1045.408 1045.648 1045.43 1045.61 Yep . 1045.61 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1046.576 1052.992 1046.6 1052.76 Sure , we can discuss that maybe after the next one . Do you want to yeah . 1047.09 1050.17 1052.76 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1049.664 1052.011 1049.75 1051.89 Cool . Do you wanna give me the little cable thing ? 1050.21 1051.89 ES2006b D FEO023 3 1055.626 1060.583 1055.78 1060.51 Uh am I going in the right direction ? No . Wait . 1058.1 1059.79 1060.51 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1057.728 1061.056 1057.728 1060.92 Yeah . 1060.92 ES2006b D FEO023 3 1064.32 1065.747 1064.36 1065.65 Okay , here it comes . 1064.64 1065.65 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1064.702 1066.432 1064.81 1066.432 Oh , I'm getting hungry . 1064.87 1065.81 ES2006b D FEO023 3 1068.08 1069.651 1068.1 1069.36 Okay , here you are . 1068.64 1069.36 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1069.296 1070.128 1069.52 1069.9 Cool . 1069.9 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1077.757 1082.912 1077.93 1082.84 Ah , that's why it won't meet . Okay , cool . 1079.5 1082.12 1082.64 1082.84 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1094.944 1095.488 1095.04 1095.41 You set ? 1095.41 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1096.372 1101.448 1097.53 1101.31 Yep , cool . Okay , functional requirements . 1097.74 1098.79 1099.55 1101.31 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1101.584 1106.42 1101.61 1106.17 Uh we need to do the function key thing so that it comes up on here . 1106.17 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1105.547 1107.039 1105.96 1106.99 Alright , yeah . 1106.56 1106.99 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1112.016 1113.52 1112.37 1113.32 Hello . 1113.32 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1116.752 1119.542 1116.752 1119.42 try to press oh , okay , yep . 1118.13 1119.23 1119.42 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1116.796 1119.584 1117.36 1119.55 Is it plugged in prop it's working ? Okay . 1119.22 1119.55 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1117.59 1118.606 1117.78 1118.33 It's working . 1118.33 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1122.224 1123.344 1122.24 1122.73 Excellent . 1122.73 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1121.984 1125.368 1122.36 1124.96 Cool , okay . So 1123.3 1124.71 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1126.272 1157.643 1126.35 1157.31 what I have , wh where I've got my information from is a survey where the usability lab um observed remote control use with um a hundred subjects and then they gave them a questionnaire . Um so it was all about , you know , how people feel about the look and feel of the remote control , you know . What's the most annoying things about remote controls and um the possibility of speech recognition and L_C_D_ screens in remote control . Not that they actually gave me any answers on the L_C_D_ screens , so I should have taken that bit out , but anyway . 1127.64 1139.52 1140.78 1141.09 1143.49 1144.13 1152.96 1155.38 1156.53 1157.31 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1157.643 1193.712 1157.82 1193.712 Um okay , so . What they found is that people don't like how current remote controls are , so you know , definitely you should be looking at something quite different . Um seventy five percent of users find most remote controls ugly . Uh the other twenty five percent have no fashion sense . Uh eighty percent of users would spend more to get um you know , a nice looking remote control . Um current remote controls , they don't match the user behaviour well , as you'll see on the next slide . Um I dunno what zapping is , but 1158.92 1160.56 1165.63 1166.81 1170.39 1174.86 1177.65 1183.11 1185.33 1187.31 1189.62 1191.51 1193.41 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1193.632 1198.416 1193.67 1198.28 It's um switching between channels , sort of randomly going through . 1195.66 1198.28 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1198.576 1217.424 1199.04 1217.39 Oh , right . But you have that little thing that comes up at the bottom and tells you what's on . Um okay , fifty percent of users say they only use ten percent of the buttons , so that's going back to what , you know , we were saying earlier about , you know , do you need all the buttons on the remote control , they just make it look ugly . Okay ? Cool . Um so this is my little graph thing . 1199.28 1200.25 1203.47 1204.49 1206.96 1208.32 1208.59 1209.96 1210.84 1212.69 1214.32 1214.73 1215.74 1217.39 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1204.264 1204.931 1204.33 1204.72 Mm . 1204.72 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1209.84 1210.512 1210.06 1210.33 Right . 1210.33 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1212.608 1213.159 1212.63 1213.02 Mm . 1213.02 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1216.704 1218.229 1216.72 1218.04 Ooh , that's a bit difficult to see . 1216.86 1218.04 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1219.328 1220.789 1219.55 1220.69 Mm k - ES2006b C FEE021 2 1220.448 1222.576 1220.47 1222.48 If you explain it to us it'll be fine . 1222.48 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1222.496 1231.837 1222.52 1231.59 Okay , well , I can send it to all of you . What it is is um it's cones , 'cause I thought they'd be more exciting . Um but ooh where's it go ? 1222.85 1223.05 1224.64 1227.22 1229.3 1231.59 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1224.384 1224.72 1224.4 1224.69 Yeah . 1224.69 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1229.616 1232.096 1229.64 1231.91 I liked the , I liked the litt ooh come back . 1230.3 1231.91 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1232.592 1233.217 1232.65 1233.0 Back . 1233.0 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1234.713 1235.245 1234.83 1235.0 Oh . 1235.0 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1234.807 1235.182 1234.88 1235.12 No . 1235.12 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1235.84 1255.2 1235.9 1255.11 Oh yes , cool . Okay , I'm gonna stop playing with the little pointy thing . Um okay , so like what it shows is how much things are used relatively and what you can clearly see from that is the thing that's used most is the channel selection . What you can't see is volume selection , it's a little bit higher than all the others . 1236.89 1237.26 1237.47 1240.0 1241.03 1251.9 1253.46 1255.11 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1239.488 1240.064 1239.53 1239.86 Mm-hmm . 1239.86 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1246.856 1247.601 1246.97 1247.39 Okay . 1247.39 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1255.2 1258.416 1255.27 1258.416 Mm-hmm , that's the next one along , yeah ? 1256.22 1257.24 1258.25 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1256.192 1298.438 1257.43 1298.4 Yeah , so what the graph shows is that , you know , power , channel selection and volume selection are important , and the rest of them , you know , nobody really uses and so that's the the numbers along the top represent their like um their importance , you know , so on a scale of one to ten , how important is that and , you know , channel selection and volume selection are absolutely essential , and the power , well it's not quite so essential , apparently , although I don't understand how it couldn't be , um and everything else , I think , you know , you can forget about having those buttons on the remote control , 'cause they're just not needed , and they're not used . 1258.35 1260.91 1262.26 1262.99 1265.95 1267.03 1268.76 1277.95 1278.34 1280.38 1282.3 1283.59 1286.36 1287.92 1289.23 1289.71 1292.11 1293.21 1293.94 1294.16 1296.76 1297.68 1298.4 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1269.84 1270.448 1269.88 1270.39 Mm-hmm . 1270.39 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1277.966 1278.508 1277.99 1278.44 Mm-hmm . 1278.44 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1299.536 1300.096 1299.57 1299.97 Mm-hmm . 1299.97 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1299.454 1347.792 1299.6 1347.45 Okay . This is the bit that the email messed up for me and that's what I was fiddling about with at the beginning of the thing . Okay , cool . So um okay , so this is what people find annoying about remote controls . Uh that they get lost , that the uh you know , they're not intuitive and that they're bad for repetitive strain injury . I think if you're watching enough T_V_ to get repetitive strain injury from um you know , watching T_V_ , then that's the least of your problems , but you know , it's up there . Um that yeah . Okay , so um I mean the the R_S_I_ thing would be that , like when you have the computer keyboards and you keep your wrists up would be something that encourages you want something with an ergonomic t design that encourages good use of the remote control and you know , not straining your wrists watching T_V_ . 1300.24 1304.76 1305.27 1305.83 1307.36 1310.67 1312.51 1313.32 1318.21 1323.23 1324.39 1325.81 1327.12 1328.14 1329.67 1329.97 1334.26 1344.94 1347.45 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1317.552 1318.32 1317.66 1317.94 Mm-hmm . 1317.94 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1322.064 1324.31 1322.064 1324.22 The remote control . 1324.22 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1326.336 1326.736 1326.37 1326.55 Mm . 1326.55 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1337.819 1338.419 1337.96 1338.3 Right . 1338.3 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1344.192 1344.672 1344.23 1344.64 Mm-hmm . 1344.64 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1344.139 1345.061 1344.34 1344.87 Mm-hmm . 1344.87 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1348.814 1402.351 1348.814 1402.23 Yes . Okay , cool . Right , um sorry this is pink because I was copying and pasting the table , and I didn't have time to white it out again . Um okay , but that shows how people whether they would pay more for voice recognition software . So you can see from that that , you know , younger people to the age of thirty five are quite likely to pay quite a lot more f well quite are quite likely to pay more for voice recognition software , whereas as people get older , they're a bit more sceptical about it and they're less willing to to try it . Um so clearly voice recognition is something to think about , but um you know I d I do wonder how well that would work given that a T_V_ , you know , tends to be people talking and um , you know , how are you going to stop it from just flipping channels whilst watching T_V_ . Um okay ? 1350.56 1351.08 1351.84 1352.34 1356.32 1358.79 1359.69 1365.19 1367.09 1367.67 1376.54 1378.72 1382.46 1386.4 1390.91 1392.06 1395.19 1395.9 1401.54 1402.23 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1348.995 1349.534 1349.09 1349.19 Hmm . 1349.19 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1358.064 1358.544 1358.08 1358.5 That's alright . 1358.5 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1393.904 1395.264 1393.94 1394.45 Mm . 1394.45 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1400.56 1401.184 1400.79 1401.01 Right . 1401.01 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1404.032 1462.656 1404.05 1462.656 Cool . Um okay , so these are my personal preferences . So you have sleek , stylish , sophisticated , you know , so something that's , you know , a bit cool . Um you know , functional , so it's useful , but minimalist . Um there's a there's an important thing that , you know , people use when , you know , when you're filling up your home , you know , a lot of people fill up their home with bits of crap , basically , you know , and you've got all this stuff , and you're just like , what the hell is that , who is ever gonna use it ? You know , so things should either be functional or beautiful or preferably both , so I think we need to aim for both . Um okay , then a long battery life , like you were talking about earlier and um , you know , I was thinking that solar power would be quite cool because , you know , your remote control just sits there , and you could just sit it in the sunshine and save the environment a bit . Um and then like a locator , so you know , kind of like you have for a mobile phone or not a mobile phone 1405.18 1407.08 1410.39 1411.94 1412.55 1414.13 1414.5 1416.66 1416.84 1418.75 1419.49 1420.47 1422.04 1423.6 1425.99 1426.42 1428.46 1428.65 1429.81 1429.98 1432.05 1432.62 1432.97 1433.87 1434.62 1435.38 1436.58 1436.89 1440.71 1442.95 1443.67 1444.96 1447.57 1447.95 1450.3 1450.58 1452.21 1455.66 1457.77 1458.69 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1441.471 1442.864 1441.61 1442.75 Mm . Mm . 1442.5 1442.75 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1461.551 1462.123 1461.79 1462.06 Mm . 1462.06 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1462.944 1464.973 1463.09 1464.973 Some kind of a ring , some 1464.15 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1463.357 1468.789 1463.39 1468.64 Keys and things like that , yeah . Whistle and it screams at you , yeah . 1464.67 1465.86 1468.38 1468.64 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1464.288 1465.824 1464.31 1465.77 Yeah , that's it , you know . 1464.68 1465.2 1465.77 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1466.976 1492.732 1467.0 1492.732 I know , it's weird . My flatmate and I were talking about this on the way into uni this morning and I was like I need to get one for everything . So yeah , so maybe something where you clap and then it beeps , something a kind of sound that you don't often hear on the T_V_ , you know , 'cause you don't want your remote control beeping every five minutes , 'cause you you'd then deliberately lose it by throwing it out the window or something . So okay ? Cool . That's me . 1467.19 1468.07 1474.23 1475.08 1477.02 1480.81 1481.11 1484.75 1488.57 1489.48 1491.2 1491.59 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1480.288 1480.808 1480.33 1480.68 Mm-hmm . 1480.68 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1480.333 1480.88 1480.61 1480.77 Right . 1480.77 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1488.8 1489.488 1489.05 1489.44 Hmm . 1489.44 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1491.664 1493.463 1491.98 1493.39 That's you , excellent . 1492.68 1493.39 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1492.384 1494.137 1492.41 1494.08 Okay , that's great , thanks . 1493.08 1493.78 1494.08 ES2006b D FEO023 3 1492.592 1495.196 1492.592 1494.78 Um that's very good , very interesting . 1494.09 1494.78 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1494.448 1495.632 1494.52 1495.16 Um . 1495.16 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1497.12 1499.888 1497.18 1499.84 I'm just gonna tick yes . 1499.84 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1502.058 1507.504 1502.6 1507.43 So , we've got about ten , fifteen minutes to discuss 1502.91 1504.61 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1505.929 1506.754 1506.29 1506.6 Mm . 1506.6 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1507.68 1549.728 1507.68 1549.6 I think one of the very interesting things that came up in um uh Ka Kate Cat Cat's uh presentation was um uh this this issue of uh uh like voice recognition being more popular with uh younger people . So if we need to have a target group um then uh I think as far as the m motto of our company is concerned , if we want to have something sleek and uh you know , good looking uh we are better off targeting a younger audience then um you know , people who are comparatively elderly . Um . 1527.32 1537.05 1539.89 1545.46 1548.08 1549.6 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1514.445 1516.489 1514.61 1515.98 Cat's . Ca . 1515.4 1515.98 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1548.07 1548.992 1548.34 1548.96 Mm-hmm . 1548.96 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1549.312 1562.256 1549.66 1561.9 Yeah , I mean that's the thing is that it didn't say in the survey , you know , whether , you know , these are the people that will pay more for a more stylish remote control , but I'm assuming , you know , yes . 1549.91 1553.76 1554.79 1556.54 1556.85 1559.77 1560.69 1561.2 1561.9 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1553.725 1554.416 1554.08 1554.29 Right . 1554.29 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1561.392 1575.872 1561.54 1575.84 Right . Bu but but the survey did say that f things like voice recognition are more popular with them , so if you want to put in something stylish , then uh th it'll certainly be more popular with this i ye with the younger people as compared to older people , yeah . 1562.48 1566.95 1569.44 1575.66 1575.84 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1562.4 1563.608 1562.55 1562.95 Yeah . 1562.95 ES2006b D FEO023 3 1562.858 1563.491 1562.89 1563.37 Mm-hmm . 1563.37 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1570.48 1570.968 1570.55 1570.93 Mm-hmm . 1570.93 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1574.764 1586.944 1574.92 1586.76 Yeah . Then again I guess the th where it was most popular was the fifteen to twenty five bracket and the I don't know how often they're buying televisions . 1575.96 1586.76 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1582.528 1583.806 1582.67 1583.806 Right , and 1583.22 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1585.397 1585.98 1585.397 1585.88 Right . 1585.88 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1586.88 1591.024 1586.95 1591.024 Well , that's when you go to uni , isn't it ? So , you know 1587.28 1588.54 1588.98 1589.31 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1587.122 1587.595 1587.25 1587.53 Mm . 1587.53 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1589.168 1600.8 1589.19 1600.8 Yeah , but you don't have much money , generally . I would've thought it's it's more that twenty five to thirty five , when people are really moving out and they've got their first job and they want their nice toys and 1589.83 1591.87 1593.07 1596.63 ES2006b D FEO023 3 1591.488 1595.447 1591.51 1595.3 Yeah . Yeah , you share a television or something that yeah . 1593.0 1593.28 1595.3 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1600.896 1623.443 1601.04 1623.35 Right . But uh still , if if you can go back to that slide and uh , how popular was it ? Oh , oh , okay . That's alright , if you can just look it up on your computer , wh uh um people between twenty five to thirty five , uh how popular was so it was sti still still quite popular amongst them . So even they are seventy six percent , is that high amount ? 1601.88 1602.65 1605.16 1606.78 1606.86 1607.2 1608.69 1609.14 1611.15 1614.98 1620.49 1622.21 1623.35 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1601.248 1601.904 1601.27 1601.82 Yeah . 1601.82 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1604.446 1607.265 1604.77 1606.99 O oh it's on sorry , we unplugged it . 1606.06 1606.99 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1605.304 1608.576 1605.36 1608.576 Oh , I've unplugged it . Do you want me to 1605.41 1606.53 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1607.712 1608.382 1607.73 1608.382 Here , let me 1607.94 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1610.113 1611.396 1610.69 1610.96 Yeah . 1610.96 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1610.912 1611.368 1610.93 1611.33 Yeah . 1611.33 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1616.005 1618.993 1616.17 1618.7 Seventy six point three percent . 1618.7 ES2006b D FEO023 3 1616.944 1619.726 1616.98 1619.56 It was seventy something , yeah , yeah . 1618.23 1619.17 1619.56 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1620.144 1620.448 1620.16 1620.3 Yeah . 1620.3 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1620.368 1620.818 1620.42 1620.61 Mm-hmm . 1620.61 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1622.516 1638.343 1622.62 1638.16 Yeah , I kn I mean I know what you're saying about the fifteen to twenty five year olds , but I mean it has been proven that that people of that age group have a higher disposable income because they don't have like I mean , you know , if you're at university , you're paying your rent , but you don't have a mortgage , you don't have a life insurance policy , you don't 1623.07 1625.98 1632.46 1632.75 1633.99 1634.75 1635.76 1637.82 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1622.896 1623.365 1622.92 1623.22 Yeah . 1623.22 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1632.656 1634.761 1632.68 1634.71 Yeah , they've got no commitments and 1632.85 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1637.072 1637.552 1637.13 1637.46 Alright . 1637.46 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1637.68 1639.893 1637.7 1639.86 usually not a car and all of those things . 1639.86 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1639.072 1650.352 1639.09 1650.32 normally have a car , yeah , so . You're still learning to drive actually , so that just costs more than a car , but yeah . Um so I mean like it is an age group to target , really , I think . 1640.36 1640.86 1641.08 1643.23 1645.38 1646.36 1649.75 1650.07 1650.32 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1640.835 1642.25 1640.87 1642.12 Kids . Yeah . 1641.81 1642.12 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1640.864 1643.319 1640.88 1643.02 Yeah . So you're more likely to b 1641.89 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1644.692 1645.318 1644.85 1645.09 Yeah . 1645.09 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1649.952 1657.592 1649.97 1657.41 Yeah , and if we're if we're talking twenty five Euros as a price , that's not unaffordable , even for young people . 1650.58 1653.8 1655.4 1657.41 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1655.904 1660.35 1656.08 1660.35 No , I mean that's what , that's like fifteen Pounds ? You know , I think 1656.2 1656.96 1658.7 1658.91 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1658.512 1658.895 1658.53 1658.82 Yeah . 1658.82 ES2006b D FEO023 3 1659.216 1666.191 1659.24 1666.191 Yeah this this is not unaffordable , but the problem is whether people need it , whether they do have a T_V_ to use its full 1661.25 1662.95 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1664.56 1665.28 1664.64 1665.25 Yeah . 1665.25 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1665.392 1672.448 1665.41 1672.37 Yeah , I d I don't know many people without a T_V_ . We didn't have a T_V_ last year , and everyone thought we were off our heads , you know . 1665.94 1668.94 1670.27 1672.02 1672.37 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1665.658 1666.272 1665.75 1666.02 Yeah . 1666.02 ES2006b D FEO023 3 1668.48 1668.928 1668.5 1668.89 Yeah . 1668.89 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1668.848 1669.6 1668.87 1669.6 But do they - ES2006b C FEE021 2 1671.792 1680.48 1672.16 1680.4 But the T_V_s are often kind of someone's old T_V_ that's blah blah and be a bit strange to have a fancy rome remote . 1680.4 ES2006b D FEO023 3 1674.176 1682.613 1674.3 1682.46 Common , the students yeah , yeah . The s the stu yeah , and the remote control might not yeah , it might not even function with the old T_V_ . 1674.84 1676.18 1676.57 1677.81 1680.32 1682.46 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1680.352 1681.011 1680.67 1680.93 Mm . 1680.93 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1681.648 1691.04 1681.648 1691.04 Bu but even even in the case of twenty five to thirty five it's quite popular , right ? So mm uh are are are 1688.47 1688.71 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1683.136 1686.662 1683.16 1686.51 Yeah , I d well we've we've got quite a d decent T_V_ . 1683.73 1686.51 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1683.87 1684.626 1684.01 1684.58 Mm . 1684.58 ES2006b D FEO023 3 1687.696 1693.201 1687.72 1693.201 Yeah , we're still yeah . Or w maybe we can just kind of uh uh 1687.93 1689.83 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1688.279 1688.812 1688.3 1688.78 Yeah . 1688.78 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1689.936 1690.49 1689.96 1690.46 Yeah . 1690.46 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1691.584 1711.312 1691.99 1711.28 I think I think the fact that , you know , ninety one point two percent of fifteen to twenty five year olds are saying yes , I would pay more for a voice recognition remote control , does say quite a lot really . You know , so I mean that and the disposable income and I don't think it's something to ignore , you know . 1693.59 1694.02 1698.09 1701.13 1702.63 1703.02 1710.86 1711.28 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1699.648 1700.176 1699.67 1700.01 Yeah . 1700.01 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1700.096 1700.528 1700.12 1700.36 Mm . 1700.36 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1704.446 1705.338 1704.51 1704.91 Yeah . 1704.91 ES2006b D FEO023 3 1711.536 1721.153 1711.56 1721.05 Yeah , but at the same time I think maybe we can we can just decide to to have both of these groups as our target , because actually I mean they're all still re young people . Yeah . 1711.71 1717.76 1720.55 1721.05 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1717.189 1717.681 1717.25 1717.65 Yeah . 1717.65 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1718.789 1722.189 1719.03 1722.03 Is not a massive difference , you know . No , do totally . 1720.56 1720.73 1721.27 1722.03 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1720.672 1731.28 1720.7 1731.19 Yeah , if we ta if we take fifteen to thirty five , but that then does imply that we should try and incorporate voice recognition . Is that gonna have a an implication for the technical specs ? 1720.98 1723.45 1727.13 1731.19 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1721.779 1722.16 1721.89 1722.1 Mm . 1722.1 ES2006b D FEO023 3 1723.68 1724.048 1723.7 1724.01 Yeah . 1724.01 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1727.31 1744.843 1727.42 1744.843 Um I was having a a general outlook on um m most like sophisticated features , but voice recognition itself I'm not very sure about , because one of the p uh things that Cat pointed out was uh uh how do we go about implementing it ? Uh and uh 1734.76 1737.16 1742.78 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1742.608 1743.097 1742.68 1743.06 Mm-hmm . 1743.06 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1743.862 1752.022 1744.0 1751.81 You do have it in your mobile phone though , don't you ? Because you have like I mean every mobile phone now has like call this person and it calls them . 1745.69 1746.0 1751.81 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1747.568 1748.144 1747.59 1748.11 Yeah . 1748.11 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1750.736 1759.968 1750.76 1759.968 Yeah . But how frequently do we use it anyway and um uh h ho how good is it , you know uh voice recognition softwares are still quite uh 1751.52 1756.1 ES2006b D FEO023 3 1752.112 1752.568 1752.13 1752.52 Yeah . 1752.52 ES2006b D FEO023 3 1753.775 1754.596 1753.86 1754.39 Yeah . 1754.39 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1758.122 1759.212 1758.56 1759.02 I don't know . 1759.02 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1758.896 1768.992 1758.93 1768.84 Yeah . With um but with a T_V_ remote it's gonna be quite limited if we're t saying the main things people want to do is on off channel five , 1759.59 1768.84 ES2006b D FEO023 3 1759.834 1760.493 1760.08 1760.23 An - ES2006b A MEO022 0 1766.608 1767.399 1766.63 1767.33 Yeah . 1767.33 ES2006b D FEO023 3 1767.726 1768.304 1767.94 1768.27 Yeah . 1768.27 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1769.024 1769.552 1769.04 1769.52 Yeah . 1769.52 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1769.944 1770.8 1770.15 1770.61 Right . 1770.61 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1770.912 1774.16 1770.94 1774.12 louder , tha that should be relatively simple . 1771.74 1774.12 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1771.131 1772.496 1771.15 1772.496 S so - ES2006b A MEO022 0 1771.795 1772.364 1772.0 1772.21 Right . 1772.21 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1773.984 1774.943 1774.0 1774.943 Okay . O 1774.33 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1774.208 1797.68 1774.23 1797.29 y you'd maybe need a code word . Do you know what I mean ? So like when you say change , except that's being said quite a lot on T_V_ , so maybe like , you know , remote . I mean how often do people say remote on T_V_ ? Although I only watch Charmed , so really I wouldn't know but like so you'd just say remote five , you know , remote ten , remote one two nine . 1775.78 1776.82 1779.67 1781.77 1782.85 1783.62 1783.9 1786.97 1788.04 1793.21 1793.71 1795.9 1797.29 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1776.463 1777.221 1776.59 1776.95 Right . 1776.95 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1776.514 1777.229 1776.79 1777.04 Mm . 1777.04 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1786.016 1786.768 1786.04 1786.72 Yeah . 1786.72 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1786.736 1787.381 1786.77 1787.1 Mm . 1787.1 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1793.457 1794.069 1793.52 1793.82 Right . 1793.82 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1795.36 1795.712 1795.43 1795.68 Yeah . 1795.68 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1795.276 1795.968 1795.64 1795.93 Mm-hmm . 1795.93 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1797.744 1804.704 1797.88 1804.66 Okay , so it seems like a feasible thing to implement uh for for a limited yeah . 1798.61 1804.66 ES2006b D FEO023 3 1799.04 1799.646 1799.06 1799.31 Yeah . 1799.31 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1801.648 1811.44 1801.67 1811.38 Yeah , but maybe if you wanna look into that just to just to check . Um , so if we go for the the fifteen to thirty five age group 1801.95 1806.21 1807.95 ES2006b D FEO023 3 1816.224 1818.32 1816.38 1818.32 Yeah but uh um - ES2006b C FEE021 2 1815.776 1826.592 1816.63 1826.46 and then of course we're going to get th anyone who's older than thirty five who wants to look young and hip and trendy and has the money , then they'll they'll still go for the same advertising . 1822.92 1826.46 ES2006b D FEO023 3 1822.16 1823.824 1822.18 1823.79 Yeah , yeah sure , yeah , yeah . 1822.41 1823.2 1823.52 1823.79 ES2006b D FEO023 3 1825.776 1826.101 1825.8 1826.06 Yeah . 1826.06 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1826.512 1829.888 1826.56 1829.85 I don't think there's a lot of uh voice recognition remote controls . 1829.85 ES2006b D FEO023 3 1829.296 1849.613 1829.32 1849.34 Yeah , w well now the v the voice recognition if if it works wonderfully w we could possibly do away with all buttons , but I think this is not really the right moment yet , because people are just so used to buttons and um , yeah it's it's kind of safer , so we we need both , so the voice recognition would be just an extra , it wouldn't really reduce the size of the remote . 1829.69 1835.95 1838.22 1841.22 1842.9 1844.45 1846.54 1849.34 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1840.048 1843.002 1840.07 1842.83 Yeah , I think we need both . 1841.84 1842.83 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1841.992 1843.425 1842.13 1843.07 Mm . W 1842.98 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1844.304 1845.296 1844.32 1845.296 What uh - ES2006b C FEE021 2 1847.472 1847.855 1847.49 1847.76 Yeah . 1847.76 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1848.802 1849.408 1849.04 1849.33 Mm . 1849.33 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1849.328 1850.032 1849.36 1849.99 Mm . 1849.99 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1850.416 1880.97 1850.65 1880.97 What wh uh what I was thinking is that there is this uh separation between what the channels are on T_V_ and how they are numbered on the remote control . If we can do with away with that , our product can be really popular uh in the sense that uh a person can say , I want to watch uh I_T_V_ one instead of saying that I want to go onto channel number forty five . Yeah , so if uh if something like that can be incorporated , some kind of 1862.24 1864.25 1868.88 1874.45 1874.74 1879.0 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1872.544 1874.464 1872.57 1874.43 Uh-huh . Uh-huh . 1874.1 1874.43 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1873.888 1876.072 1873.99 1875.92 Yeah , that would be another way to do it . 1874.68 1875.92 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1877.111 1880.941 1877.35 1880.77 So that if that was in the the voice recognition , that would be great . 1880.07 1880.77 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1880.128 1893.616 1880.15 1893.58 Yeah , but then the code word would be even more important , because I mean Sky advertise on every channel , don't they , you know , so then it would be you'd be watching Charmed , and then the Sky advert would come on and it would change to Sky . 1880.41 1882.6 1885.42 1886.3 1886.76 1890.4 1893.58 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1883.541 1884.282 1883.69 1884.03 Yeah . 1884.03 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1885.472 1885.976 1885.53 1885.81 Yeah . 1885.81 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1885.352 1886.269 1885.6 1886.14 Mm-hmm . 1886.14 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1893.12 1895.616 1893.14 1895.44 Watch Sky and yeah . 1895.44 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1894.736 1897.68 1894.76 1897.68 Yeah , yeah , and that would be really annoying . 1895.53 1896.11 1897.26 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1894.558 1895.535 1894.87 1895.37 Alright . 1895.37 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1896.192 1896.863 1896.21 1896.863 Yeah , that's 1896.32 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1897.632 1898.064 1897.66 1897.98 Right . 1897.98 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1898.336 1898.976 1898.37 1898.92 Mm-hmm . 1898.92 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1900.4 1902.834 1900.42 1902.73 But that's definitely a possibility . 1902.73 ES2006b D FEO023 3 1900.704 1914.08 1900.72 1914.04 Yeah but m but on the other hand , remote control isn't as close to you you probably might just just uh speak into it and and the T_V_ would be already further away , so it might not pick up the other things coming from there . 1902.36 1910.11 1914.04 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1901.053 1901.6 1901.16 1901.51 Mm . 1901.51 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1907.941 1908.465 1908.04 1908.32 Yeah . 1908.32 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1911.798 1912.643 1911.95 1912.53 Yeah . 1912.53 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1913.439 1918.352 1913.55 1918.25 Do you not think that defeats the object of having voice recognition on a remote control though ? 1918.25 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1918.32 1921.169 1918.32 1921.12 So that you can yell at it , yeah . 1920.78 1921.12 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1920.0 1929.196 1920.02 1929.04 Yeah , you know , so you have to have the remote control . It's more like if you lost it and it's down the sofa sometime , you can yell at it and it'll just change it , you can look for it later , yeah . 1920.3 1920.62 1922.39 1924.66 1926.63 1928.95 1929.04 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1928.896 1929.776 1928.92 1929.73 Yeah . 1929.73 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1931.408 1932.535 1931.44 1931.99 Alright . 1931.99 ES2006b D FEO023 3 1932.48 1947.584 1932.5 1947.55 Yeah , but then the remote control I think I mean um the idea is kind of it's it's not that it's sitting there on on top of the television , because then you could already yell at the television and you wouldn't you you wouldn't need the remote control , so the remote control is still something you keep n near yourself . 1932.6 1940.08 1944.37 1947.55 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1946.832 1952.736 1946.85 1952.736 Yeah , yeah , I suppose nearer to you but a b like if you have surround sound then 1947.56 1948.33 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1955.264 1967.141 1955.35 1966.86 Mm yeah and it might become very difficult from a distance for the television to understand what you're saying because of the noise factor for the remote control being cl I mean it'll it'll mm . 1966.86 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1955.355 1955.936 1955.46 1955.9 Mm . 1955.9 ES2006b D FEO023 3 1962.384 1963.398 1962.4 1963.2 Yeah , yeah , yeah . 1962.74 1962.97 1963.2 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1962.724 1963.549 1962.86 1963.41 Yeah . 1963.41 ES2006b D FEO023 3 1964.8 1974.592 1964.82 1974.42 No , but I I I was just defending the the fact why why we want to keep the remote control close to us , a and uh not to yell at it from the distance . 1964.96 1972.07 1974.42 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1967.158 1967.808 1967.34 1967.67 Yeah . 1967.67 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1971.91 1972.544 1972.1 1972.51 Yeah . 1972.51 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1972.493 1973.009 1972.51 1972.96 Yeah . 1972.96 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1974.512 1989.616 1974.55 1989.47 Mm . So uh wh another thing uh that can be used is that uh there can be a beeper button on the T_V_ , so you can go and press that button and um and the remote control , wherever it is , it'll beep , so we we can probably come to know where it is . 1974.93 1981.81 1985.71 1986.34 1986.94 1989.47 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1974.64 1975.08 1974.66 1974.93 Yeah . 1974.93 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1983.665 1984.682 1983.83 1984.65 Mm-hmm . 1984.65 ES2006b C FEE021 2 1987.19 2001.216 1987.28 2001.17 That's but then if you're buying the remote separately , but y you could have something , but i if it was something that you could like stick onto the T_V_ or something , some like a two p if you bought it in a two part pack , so one part attaches to the T_V_ . 1990.9 1992.73 1996.42 1999.18 2001.17 ES2006b D FEO023 3 1987.95 1988.767 1988.24 1988.65 Okay . 1988.65 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1988.622 1989.245 1988.73 1989.15 Yeah . 1989.15 ES2006b D FEO023 3 1991.968 1993.045 1991.99 1992.87 Oh yeah , yeah . 1992.51 1992.87 ES2006b A MEO022 0 1995.728 1997.504 1995.75 1997.47 Right , yeah , yeah , yeah . 1996.16 1996.7 1997.24 1997.47 ES2006b D FEO023 3 1996.272 1998.337 1996.29 1998.27 Okay , yeah , mm-hmm . 1996.93 1997.92 1998.27 ES2006b B FEE024 1 1998.334 2004.478 1998.334 2004.37 Yeah , 'cause it's it's quite important that you don't lose the the bit to locate the remote control . 2000.51 2004.37 ES2006b C FEE021 2 2002.735 2003.168 2002.76 2003.0 The l - ES2006b C FEE021 2 2004.032 2007.552 2004.1 2007.37 Well that's right , but it solves the problem of having different noises . 2004.79 2007.37 ES2006b A MEO022 0 2003.939 2004.88 2004.14 2004.85 Alright , yeah . 2004.62 2004.85 ES2006b B FEE024 1 2007.092 2008.688 2007.27 2008.58 Yeah , definitely , yeah . 2007.68 2008.23 2008.58 ES2006b C FEE021 2 2009.152 2013.968 2009.17 2013.93 Yeah . Okay , I think we're gonna have to wrap this up um . 2009.93 2010.24 2013.93 ES2006b C FEE021 2 2016.144 2019.376 2016.16 2019.24 But if we go away with that that kind of general - ES2006b C FEE021 2 2020.608 2050.4 2020.63 2050.4 um specification in mind that we're looking at fifteen to thirty five year olds , we want it to look simple , but still have the buttons so it's easy to use , but only those key buttons , the major buttons and then one sort of menu one , and then voice recognition included as an option um but that obviously needs a little bit more working out as to whether it's really feasible and some of those problems we were mentioning um . 2026.43 2028.16 2030.71 2032.91 2035.66 2049.21 ES2006b D FEO023 3 2032.256 2033.54 2032.28 2033.46 The major ones , yeah . 2033.09 2033.46 ES2006b D FEO023 3 2040.363 2040.944 2040.42 2040.78 Mm-hmm . 2040.78 ES2006b A MEO022 0 2040.352 2040.864 2040.46 2040.79 Right . 2040.79 ES2006b A MEO022 0 2045.504 2046.227 2045.63 2046.0 Okay . 2046.0 ES2006b C FEE021 2 2051.856 2089.984 2051.88 2089.93 What we have to do now is to go back to our little places , complete our questionnaire and some sort of summarisation , which y you'll get immediately by email . Send me your presentations so that I can use them to make the minutes , and then we've got a lunch break and after lunch we go back to our own little stations and have thirty minutes more work . Um I'll put the minutes in that project documents folder , but I'll send you an email when I do it , so that you know . It should be on your desktop , so on the yeah . So I'll put it I'll put them there as soon as I've written them . 2056.48 2059.78 2061.84 2065.74 2075.07 2078.9 2080.5 2081.72 2084.81 2087.1 2089.93 ES2006b D FEO023 3 2067.488 2067.888 2067.52 2067.85 Mm-hmm . 2067.85 ES2006b A MEO022 0 2080.566 2083.552 2080.67 2083.28 So where exactly is this i - ES2006b A MEO022 0 2085.328 2086.94 2085.35 2086.76 Ah , okay . Yeah . 2085.62 2086.55 2086.76 ES2006b D FEO023 3 2086.528 2086.96 2086.55 2086.91 Yeah . 2086.91 ES2006b D FEO023 3 2089.094 2091.869 2089.094 2091.83 Did you find it ? It's just yeah , yeah . 2090.31 2091.52 2091.83 ES2006b A MEO022 0 2090.336 2092.256 2090.36 2092.22 Yeah , yeah in that one , right yeah . 2090.72 2091.78 2092.22 ES2006b C FEE021 2 2092.56 2094.368 2092.58 2094.29 Yeah , and email them round . 2093.06 2094.29 ES2006b B FEE024 1 2094.288 2097.917 2094.31 2097.72 Oh , so y you want our um PowerPoint presentations in there , hey ? 2094.5 2097.4 2097.72 ES2006b C FEE021 2 2097.36 2098.608 2097.38 2098.49 Yeah , that would be great . 2097.71 2098.49 ES2006b B FEE024 1 2098.902 2099.424 2098.92 2099.37 Okay . 2099.37 ES2006b D FEO023 3 2098.96 2103.215 2098.98 2102.88 Oh so so we'll just put them i there , we we yeah , w we won't even okay . 2100.64 2101.5 2102.88 ES2006b C FEE021 2 2099.952 2103.424 2099.97 2103.37 Oh yeah , put them in there . Yeah , then you don't have to email them . 2100.37 2101.5 2101.87 2103.37 ES2006b B FEE024 1 2101.436 2102.15 2101.54 2101.92 There you go . 2101.92 ES2006b B FEE024 1 2103.408 2105.816 2103.51 2105.73 But is everyone's called functional requirements ? 2105.73 ES2006b C FEE021 2 2105.568 2116.304 2105.59 2116.26 No , they're all called something slightly different . Technical requirements and something something , yeah . So , if you put them in there , we'll all be able to see them and refer to them if we need to . 2106.3 2108.66 2111.18 2111.86 2112.56 2113.73 2116.26 ES2006b A MEO022 0 2105.603 2106.448 2105.79 2106.33 No . 2106.33 ES2006b B FEE024 1 2109.984 2112.736 2110.01 2112.47 Okay , so that's good . That's me done . 2110.72 2111.84 2112.47 ES2006b D FEO023 3 2111.2 2111.728 2111.22 2111.69 Yeah . 2111.69 ES2006b B FEE024 1 2116.08 2117.505 2116.44 2117.43 Okay , cool . 2116.94 2117.43 ES2006b C FEE021 2 2117.504 2129.536 2117.62 2129.43 Um as to where we're going from here , you're going to look at the components concept . Yeah ? Whatever that means . 2122.37 2126.99 2128.35 2129.43 ES2006b A MEO022 0 2126.304 2126.784 2126.43 2126.71 Right . 2126.71 ES2006b D FEO023 3 2129.968 2130.336 2130.0 2130.25 Yeah . 2130.25 ES2006b C FEE021 2 2130.576 2131.04 2130.6 2130.88 Yeah . 2130.88 ES2006b A MEO022 0 2130.64 2132.456 2130.64 2132.456 I guess I'll find out . 2131.79 ES2006b C FEE021 2 2132.032 2147.088 2132.05 2147.04 You'll be looking you'll be looking at the user interface concept , on something conceptual and you're watching trends to see how we go and surely voice recognition'll fall off the map or something that um we'll keep keep our options op hmm ? 2136.39 2147.04 ES2006b D FEO023 3 2134.912 2137.015 2134.95 2136.89 Uh something conceptual , yeah . 2136.38 2136.89 ES2006b A MEO022 0 2144.24 2150.416 2145.22 2150.3 Wha what was it again that I was supposed to look into ? Con components , oh . 2148.27 2150.13 2150.3 ES2006b C FEE021 2 2148.704 2151.951 2148.72 2151.89 Components , yeah . 2151.58 2151.89 ES2006b D FEO023 3 2150.496 2157.76 2150.57 2157.76 Hmm . Sorry , but um the next meeting um are we going to have it um right after lunch or shall we prepare our 2151.32 2151.56 ES2006b C FEE021 2 2156.536 2167.472 2156.57 2167.36 No , we have we have after lunch we have thirty minutes to ourselves to prepare , so that's fine , w before lunch we just have to complete the questionnaire and some sort of summary . 2156.96 2161.81 2163.14 2167.36 ES2006b D FEO023 3 2160.096 2162.273 2160.15 2162.1 To prepare , okay , yeah , that's good . 2160.68 2161.36 2161.69 2162.1 ES2006b D FEO023 3 2168.288 2168.8 2168.31 2168.76 Okay . 2168.76 ES2006b C FEE021 2 2168.992 2179.867 2169.01 2178.3 Okay ? Right on time . Okay , so you can I guess we'll see you for lunch in a sec ? 2169.25 2173.83 2174.3 2179.78 ES2006b D FEO023 3 2170.612 2171.312 2170.612 2171.16 Cool . 2171.16 ES2006b D FEO023 3 2178.046 2179.904 2178.18 2179.76 Okay , see you . 2179.35 2179.76 ES2006c C FEE021 2 2.343 50.272 2.37 49.72 Excellent . So um I sent you the agenda , it was on the in the project documents . I don't know if you got a chance to just have a look at it . Anyway , it's the meeting's gonna follow more or less the same structure as last time , so we'll go round each of you in turn and you can give your presentations on what you've been up to . Um and at the end of that we need to discuss what you've come up with , so that we can make a decision on the key remote control concepts , so that's we need to know about the components' properties , materials , the user interface and any trends that the Marketing Expert has been watching . 3.5 8.45 10.44 13.85 14.21 19.08 26.15 32.07 36.94 41.37 42.99 49.72 ES2006c A MEO022 0 51.36 52.208 51.36 52.11 Right . 52.11 ES2006c C FEE021 2 51.776 57.063 51.8 56.88 Okay . Um , do you wanna start again ? Let me we've got forty minutes . 52.54 53.04 54.7 56.88 ES2006c A MEO022 0 53.652 54.394 53.652 54.34 Okay . 54.34 ES2006c A MEO022 0 55.559 91.696 55.62 91.63 Right s so I haven't made a PowerPoint presentation , yeah , I I thought I'll use the whiteboard instead . Um mm , okay , so basically I'll start off by uh I thought I'll use the whiteboard because we have so many different options and what we can do is that we can start um uh rubbing off the options that we do not require and putting in the options that uh are m or highlighting or underlining them or something like that . 61.09 61.37 64.08 70.66 71.45 91.63 ES2006c C FEE021 2 59.554 61.936 59.554 61.83 You haven't made a PowerPoint , okay . 61.01 61.83 ES2006c C FEE021 2 63.312 64.144 63.33 64.11 Mm-hmm . 64.11 ES2006c C FEE021 2 65.011 67.005 65.14 67.005 Let's hope the pen holds out . 66.9 ES2006c C FEE021 2 86.659 87.349 86.72 87.2 Mm-hmm . 87.2 ES2006c A MEO022 0 93.008 112.403 93.03 112.26 Okay , so uh I'll start again with a brief introduction to connect that anyway brief introduction to the insides of a remote control and uh then we can probably uh discuss the various components . Yeah . 93.31 112.05 112.26 ES2006c C FEE021 2 97.993 98.707 98.31 98.48 Yeah . 98.48 ES2006c A MEO022 0 112.912 143.786 112.96 143.786 Okay , so w what you see here is so this is the outside of the remote , right ? If you open it , you have a circuit board here , right , and this is the chip that I was talking about last time . This basically sends information to a tr uh transistor here , which then uh sends the information to an L_E_D_ device here . If you flip the printed circuit board , and this is th the most important point here , uh everything else is kind of 113.66 118.92 119.68 121.47 124.34 124.85 127.83 131.65 136.27 138.67 141.52 ES2006c C FEE021 2 119.328 119.744 119.36 119.71 Mm-hmm . 119.71 ES2006c C FEE021 2 135.92 136.726 135.95 136.57 Mm-hmm . 136.57 ES2006c A MEO022 0 144.672 196.832 144.87 196.66 Okay , so if you flip the circuit board , this is what it looks like . So you see for example a particular button attaches to a particular place on the P_C_B_ and uh on pressing this button I a circuit completes , the information goes to the chip , which is somewhere here and the chip that tra then translates the code into an infra infrared radiation , which goes goes out through there . So uh the important point that I read over the website was uh that the configurations of these printed circuit circuit boards uh are quite cheap to make , you can ge get them printed as you want to , so w we can have a configuration um irrespective of the cost , the way we want to have . Right ? So that's the important point here , so these are the different options that we have . 145.67 147.46 148.89 160.9 162.19 168.42 171.57 183.02 185.37 190.25 191.9 192.2 193.67 196.66 ES2006c C FEE021 2 154.345 154.758 154.47 154.68 Yeah . 154.68 ES2006c C FEE021 2 183.125 183.807 183.2 183.67 Mm-hmm . 183.67 ES2006c C FEE021 2 191.472 192.179 191.52 192.0 Mm-hmm . 192.0 ES2006c A MEO022 0 198.576 203.744 198.6 203.63 Okay . So the batteries , I'll start with the battery , right ? 199.57 202.15 203.46 203.63 ES2006c C FEE021 2 203.376 204.128 203.4 203.66 Mm-hmm . 203.66 ES2006c A MEO022 0 207.888 224.672 208.6 224.64 So they can be simple which is like uh the normal batteries in uh our uh the cells , yeah ? Uh thes these are the kind different kind of batteries that the company makes , right ? So . 217.6 218.54 223.56 224.19 224.64 ES2006c C FEE021 2 217.38 218.48 217.63 217.99 Yeah . 217.99 ES2006c A MEO022 0 226.144 227.904 226.42 227.85 And dynamos . 227.85 ES2006c A MEO022 0 230.352 252.512 230.49 252.47 Um yeah , yeah . So uh I don't know if even if you want to consider this , but these are the different things that the company makes , so th they'll they'll since uh they'll come internally from the company , they'll be eas uh cheaper , uh all these options . So the third one is uh the kinetic energy ones . 233.78 234.64 238.82 240.72 244.53 245.76 247.5 252.47 ES2006c B FEE024 1 231.04 232.72 231.06 232.68 Does that mean like a wind-up one ? 232.68 ES2006c B FEE024 1 234.016 237.533 234.016 236.84 A wind-up remote . 236.84 ES2006c C FEE021 2 240.808 241.344 240.94 241.31 Okay . 241.31 ES2006c C FEE021 2 246.976 247.61 247.0 247.21 Mm-hmm . 247.21 ES2006c B FEE024 1 253.344 257.776 253.36 257.73 You could make the hand dynamo into an exercise bike , and then people could exercise whilst watching T_V_ . 255.62 257.73 ES2006c A MEO022 0 257.775 258.38 257.98 258.28 Yeah . 258.28 ES2006c C FEE021 2 257.789 260.32 258.01 260.29 And charging their remote , yeah . 259.82 260.29 ES2006c B FEE024 1 259.488 263.92 259.51 263.92 Yeah , and stop worrying about the whole R_S_I_ from the remote thing , 'cause that's just 260.11 263.19 ES2006c A MEO022 0 262.32 314.752 262.32 314.64 Yeah , it's a good option . The the kinetic energy one is uh that e uh uh they are usually modern watches , since our hand keeps moving , it keeps the watch ticking . But I dunno i if it is a good idea for a remote control , because it'll just lie there for a long while sometimes . But as soon as you pick it up it moves and then again it uh re recharges or something . And the fourth option is the solar cells , which are also made by the company . Environment friendly . Okay um so I'll list things and then we can come back and discuss what what we think from uh everybody's perspective . There are different cases that can be provided . They can be basically the shape of the cases , they can be flat , they can be curved with uh one-sided 263.97 265.75 271.22 272.79 274.38 276.58 278.95 284.42 288.05 290.55 292.34 301.47 304.88 308.78 310.21 ES2006c D FEO023 3 264.896 266.783 264.92 266.75 So what was what was this k ka - ES2006c D FEO023 3 270.934 271.664 271.08 271.63 Okay . 271.63 ES2006c C FEE021 2 271.623 272.969 271.75 272.45 Uh yeah . 272.45 ES2006c C FEE021 2 274.325 275.001 274.4 274.68 Mm-hmm . 274.68 ES2006c C FEE021 2 276.176 277.207 276.2 277.207 For a remote , 'cause you 276.63 ES2006c C FEE021 2 277.744 278.241 277.87 278.16 Yeah . 278.16 ES2006c D FEO023 3 279.024 279.536 279.09 279.49 Mm-hmm . 279.49 ES2006c C FEE021 2 283.68 284.336 283.71 284.2 Yeah . 284.2 ES2006c B FEE024 1 287.776 289.075 287.84 288.96 Yay . 288.96 ES2006c C FEE021 2 296.832 298.021 296.85 297.86 Yeah . 297.86 ES2006c C FEE021 2 309.792 310.288 309.82 310.25 Mm-hmm . 310.25 ES2006c A MEO022 0 316.192 321.936 316.21 321.72 curved and one side flat , and they can be curved with on both the sides . 317.81 321.72 ES2006c C FEE021 2 322.359 322.912 322.42 322.83 Mm-hmm . 322.83 ES2006c A MEO022 0 324.729 328.8 324.729 328.8 These are the three options , right ? Um 326.63 327.42 ES2006c D FEO023 3 328.352 334.048 328.352 334.01 Um you mean this would be like the the overall shape of the remote control , yeah , mm-hmm . 333.22 333.68 334.01 ES2006c A MEO022 0 333.28 349.472 333.3 349.37 Yeah , would it be flat on both the sides , would be curved from one side , or whatever uh there were different kind of supplements available , um like it can be in plastic , rubber , wood , or titanium , right ? Wo wo wood . 333.69 335.82 337.07 341.81 344.3 344.85 345.58 347.29 347.91 349.37 ES2006c D FEO023 3 334.755 336.767 335.05 336.5 Yeah , mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 335.7 336.12 336.5 ES2006c D FEO023 3 337.37 338.145 337.46 338.08 Mm-hmm mm-hmm . 338.08 ES2006c C FEE021 2 337.472 338.12 337.49 337.85 Mm-hmm . 337.85 ES2006c C FEE021 2 345.424 347.344 345.64 347.22 Mm-hmm . Okay . 346.8 347.22 ES2006c B FEE024 1 347.632 348.604 347.65 348.47 Did you say wool ? 348.47 ES2006c C FEE021 2 348.752 352.896 348.77 352.896 Wood , wood . A fluffy remote . 349.18 351.25 352.3 ES2006c B FEE024 1 349.669 351.624 349.71 351.45 Wood . Oh right . 350.25 351.45 ES2006c A MEO022 0 350.154 352.898 350.21 352.898 Yeah . Not wool . 351.35 352.85 ES2006c B FEE024 1 351.624 352.099 351.624 352.099 . 352.099 ES2006c B FEE024 1 352.099 356.144 352.89 355.78 Yeah , you'll understand why when we get to my presenta . 353.15 355.78 ES2006c A MEO022 0 354.832 393.2 355.43 393.17 Oh really ? Okay . Um the so uh we can use even um a certain titanium is also used uh in the company to make uh uh some space design equipment , so it's kind of um uh it'll be probably nicer to use , because it relates to the overall image of the company , but uh it cannot be used on a double curved surface . If we choose this , we cannot use titanium . For for these two we can use titanium , wood , rubber , or plastic . Yeah ? Uh okay , the interface options now . So 356.24 357.47 368.86 372.64 375.64 379.48 380.35 381.97 384.88 385.81 386.45 388.06 390.01 390.92 392.76 ES2006c C FEE021 2 357.328 357.6 357.43 357.57 Huh . 357.57 ES2006c C FEE021 2 381.542 382.072 381.56 381.98 Mm . 381.98 ES2006c C FEE021 2 387.815 388.438 387.93 388.37 Mm-hmm . 388.37 ES2006c A MEO022 0 395.44 402.928 395.44 402.88 we can have push-buttons , like most remotes do and our company is an expert in making push-buttons . 397.76 402.88 ES2006c A MEO022 0 404.112 411.376 404.15 411.376 Ooh . Uh we can have scroll wheels like the ones on um uh mouse pointers uh uh 405.04 ES2006c B FEE024 1 407.803 408.768 408.06 408.73 Sony . 408.73 ES2006c C FEE021 2 409.792 410.336 409.83 410.15 Mm-hmm . 410.15 ES2006c B FEE024 1 410.899 412.656 410.93 412.61 Sony Ericsson mobile phones has it . 412.61 ES2006c A MEO022 0 413.2 443.874 413.22 443.46 Yeah , yeah , something like that . So , and they have they can even have an an integrated uh push-button inside the scrolling thing . The scroll plus push . So this is something that has been recently developed by the company , um in the last decade , so not too recent . And L_C_D_s , we can have L_C_D_s . So these two are recent and and this is q quite old . The various electronic options are um 413.64 413.85 415.59 416.3 421.72 424.6 428.16 430.17 431.78 432.72 434.02 440.36 ES2006c B FEE024 1 414.384 414.624 414.41 414.58 Mm . 414.58 ES2006c C FEE021 2 420.553 421.552 420.79 421.5 Okay . 421.5 ES2006c C FEE021 2 439.136 439.952 439.16 439.84 Mm-hmm . 439.84 ES2006c A MEO022 0 448.125 466.416 448.22 466.1 uh so th this concerns firs first of all the the chips I I showed you at uh so there's there's a chip behind this one , right ? The P_C_B_ is uh inexpensive , so we can put put in uh whatever we want , but the various integrated circuit options are , we have either a simple one 455.85 456.51 459.03 461.51 464.3 ES2006c C FEE021 2 461.408 462.064 461.64 462.03 Mm-hmm . 462.03 ES2006c A MEO022 0 468.857 470.672 468.88 470.1 or a regular - ES2006c A MEO022 0 472.912 474.378 472.93 474.32 or advanced . 474.32 ES2006c A MEO022 0 476.16 479.712 476.9 479.34 And uh the price goes up - ES2006c C FEE021 2 479.858 480.817 479.96 480.77 Mm-hmm . 480.77 ES2006c A MEO022 0 481.808 504.528 481.83 504.44 as we go down , obviously . Um okay , so the good thing about uh wh wh why why we would want to use advanced u why we might want to use advanced is that L_C_D_s can only come with the advanced chip . Um the we need regular or advanced for uh scroll wheels . 483.21 484.14 486.64 497.83 504.44 ES2006c C FEE021 2 496.634 497.456 496.92 497.41 Mm-hmm . 497.41 ES2006c A MEO022 0 507.826 513.504 508.34 513.35 Right ? Um and the chip basically includes the infra infrared sender . 509.26 513.35 ES2006c C FEE021 2 513.843 514.441 513.86 514.41 Mm-hmm . 514.41 ES2006c A MEO022 0 514.592 532.384 514.61 532.34 Yeah . Uh besides this in electr under electronics uh also the company has started making a sample sender , which is did not explained what i what it was , but I'm guessing that uh so they have a sample sender and a sample speaker . 515.29 524.09 527.16 532.34 ES2006c A MEO022 0 535.08 558.8 535.19 558.77 So I'm guessing that uh the sample speaker is probably something like um uh you know , as soon as you press a button , it it mm uh give gives you feedback , one five or whatever . Yeah , on . Um and uh I dunno whether sample sender sender has to do something with voice recognition or not , but anyway . So , these are the different options that we have . 540.95 542.08 544.99 547.27 547.55 548.53 556.22 556.93 557.29 558.77 ES2006c C FEE021 2 547.136 547.849 547.33 547.81 Mm-hmm . 547.81 ES2006c C FEE021 2 556.155 556.881 556.41 556.84 Mm-hmm . 556.84 ES2006c A MEO022 0 560.304 578.556 560.32 578.42 Okay , so th that's that's basically now now uh I think that uh we can integrate um uh you know , uh the user interface uh and uh the marketing things in that , keep uh taking out things from this and uh underlining things that are important , yeah . 561.09 567.97 573.09 578.17 578.42 ES2006c C FEE021 2 572.615 573.028 572.69 572.86 Yeah . 572.86 ES2006c C FEE021 2 575.632 576.016 575.65 575.86 Mm-hmm . 575.86 ES2006c C FEE021 2 577.712 586.176 577.73 586.04 Excellent . Do you wanna stay somewhere near the board , so that if we need to you can sit down , but just we might need you to leap up . 578.75 580.72 583.21 586.04 ES2006c D FEO023 3 578.697 579.552 578.93 579.47 Okay . 579.47 ES2006c A MEO022 0 581.904 584.809 582.01 584.55 Yeah , yeah , sure . Sure . Yeah . 582.29 582.47 583.56 584.27 584.55 ES2006c D FEO023 3 586.872 588.731 586.872 588.55 Okay . 588.55 ES2006c C FEE021 2 587.744 589.936 587.76 589.936 What are you , PowerPoint , or 588.2 588.81 ES2006c D FEO023 3 589.808 592.32 589.96 591.76 Um I have some PowerPoint , yeah . 591.52 591.76 ES2006c A MEO022 0 591.632 592.192 591.65 592.15 Right . 592.15 ES2006c C FEE021 2 591.502 592.605 591.73 592.48 Okay . 592.48 ES2006c D FEO023 3 594.304 596.567 595.06 596.567 Oh . 596.19 ES2006c C FEE021 2 619.885 624.608 620.04 624.49 Do you think these pens can give you cancer of the hand ? Some sort of radiation ? 622.41 624.49 ES2006c D FEO023 3 620.098 620.827 620.12 620.65 'Kay . 620.65 ES2006c B FEE024 1 624.591 627.904 624.88 627.55 No it's got its little camera in there , plug it in . 627.0 627.55 ES2006c C FEE021 2 626.672 627.264 626.69 627.12 Yeah . 627.12 ES2006c D FEO023 3 628.848 630.313 628.98 629.45 Okay . 629.45 ES2006c B FEE024 1 629.231 629.915 629.38 629.72 'S a - ES2006c A MEO022 0 629.648 631.354 629.67 631.1 Yeah , it should should do it . Yeah . 629.86 630.75 631.1 ES2006c C FEE021 2 633.472 635.353 633.6 635.25 Right , interface concept . 634.18 635.25 ES2006c D FEO023 3 635.376 656.018 635.4 655.8 Okay . Um to be honest actually , I mentioned some some of the things which which could fit on the on the this talk um this time , I m I mentioned them already in the previous talk . So um yeah , this time um I might not have them on the slides but I I can just mention them aw again . Okay . 636.55 637.74 644.7 647.04 648.14 655.25 655.8 ES2006c C FEE021 2 646.544 647.776 646.7 647.31 That's fine . 647.31 ES2006c C FEE021 2 652.987 653.67 653.19 653.64 Mm-hmm . 653.64 ES2006c D FEO023 3 657.216 684.666 657.27 684.61 So um I thought um I would also include the definition of user interface um so it's the aspects of a of of a computer system or programme which can be seen uh by the user um and and which uh the mechanisms that the user uses to control its operation and input data . So this would p includes things like shape and size and buttons and um voice recognition as well , and colour , and so on . 677.04 683.26 683.82 684.61 ES2006c C FEE021 2 683.555 684.178 683.66 684.06 Mm-hmm . 684.06 ES2006c D FEO023 3 685.494 715.031 685.53 715.031 Um um the method I employed this time was a again having a look to related products and mainly on the internet and then um analyse them uh from the point of view of user fen friendliness and also um whether their appearance was was pleasant . Um and then um this uh this um 709.83 ES2006c D FEO023 3 715.744 725.416 715.76 725.36 this can help us to decide which features we want to incorporate in our product . So some findings um um . 721.88 725.36 ES2006c C FEE021 2 719.184 719.947 719.21 719.73 Mm-hmm . 719.73 ES2006c D FEO023 3 726.368 749.184 726.42 748.7 So in in the case of many user interfaces , they're just so full of buttons that it's actually uh hard to find the ones you you really um want to use and um and it's just confusing , it takes y know time to learn . Um okay , and I thought I would just quickly show some of them that I found . 729.35 739.01 741.81 743.72 748.7 ES2006c D FEO023 3 750.8 759.104 750.82 758.84 Okay , some of them are here . Um well the picture is not very clear , but as you can see , there are actu oi , oh oh oh , sorry for that . 751.3 752.99 755.09 755.92 756.74 757.97 758.84 ES2006c D FEO023 3 759.835 760.702 759.97 760.65 'S go back . 760.65 ES2006c A MEO022 0 762.4 763.896 762.4 763.67 That's nice one . 763.67 ES2006c D FEO023 3 762.806 764.599 762.94 764.46 Ah , no , please . 763.35 763.84 764.46 ES2006c D FEO023 3 767.44 791.632 767.46 791.11 Okay , so yeah , they're quite big and have many many buttons . Actually of the of all these I personally p prefer this one , because it's it's the smallest and and with with least uh with the smallest number of buttons as well . And I would say even the appearance of some of them is kind of not so nice . Um okay . 768.67 769.02 771.41 775.78 781.68 789.21 791.11 ES2006c B FEE024 1 785.68 786.192 785.83 786.16 Ugly . 786.16 ES2006c C FEE021 2 786.829 787.86 787.09 787.69 Mm . 787.69 ES2006c D FEO023 3 792.886 798.768 793.08 798.768 So let's carry on with this . Um 797.83 ES2006c D FEO023 3 800.528 819.426 800.55 819.3 So uh um o other findings um some new things um used , uh some of them were mentioned already by our Technical um Designer uh . Our own company has developed a new in user interface uh wait , no this is not the one . 807.49 814.15 818.3 819.3 ES2006c D FEO023 3 819.426 836.255 819.61 835.85 Okay , there is a we can uh include voice recognition and um it allows i it's possible to record eighty different voice samples on it . Uh so uh this uh this one was already mentioned uh the L_C_ display . 819.91 830.88 835.85 ES2006c C FEE021 2 829.696 830.21 829.72 830.1 Mm-hmm . 830.1 ES2006c A MEO022 0 829.636 830.233 829.92 830.11 Mm . 830.11 ES2006c C FEE021 2 834.672 837.12 834.99 837.03 It's yeah . 837.03 ES2006c D FEO023 3 836.255 849.616 836.29 849.616 Um s another new development is a scroll button , which was also th also already mentioned . And uh our own manufacturing division ha has uh designed a new um 839.91 842.37 ES2006c D FEO023 3 850.323 854.357 850.323 854.357 uh programmable speech uh - ES2006c D FEO023 3 854.976 889.353 855.0 889.29 mm sorry uh speaker unit I guess it's it should be . Um and this means that um once uh uh it it it comes together with a voice recognition , but it's once once the mm um gadget uh recognises uh the voice of the speaker , there can be a um pre-programmed answer , for example , you can pick up the remote control and say something to it like hello and it says some hello and your name or whatever . So I mean this is also one of the n dev new developments which we might consider if we wanted to include . 858.29 865.7 871.99 874.64 875.64 882.49 889.29 ES2006c C FEE021 2 857.861 858.304 858.02 858.27 Yeah . 858.27 ES2006c C FEE021 2 879.904 882.608 879.93 882.19 Uh-huh , hi yeah . 880.94 882.19 ES2006c A MEO022 0 882.476 883.064 882.64 882.91 Mm . 882.91 ES2006c A MEO022 0 888.704 901.181 888.74 900.65 Uh sorry , uh can you go back for a second ? Um uh are you sure wha what this means , a spinning wheel with the L_C_ display ? Uh oh yeah are th 889.43 890.96 893.51 895.69 ES2006c C FEE021 2 896.319 901.186 896.38 900.72 It's like the like you said , no ? The scroll scroll wheel . 898.45 898.69 900.72 ES2006c B FEE024 1 899.75 901.156 899.87 901.156 Yeah , you can't 900.13 ES2006c D FEO023 3 899.744 922.308 900.14 922.308 No no , the scroll button is a different thing . I I have a picture if you just a moment , I'll I'll show you . I wasn't completely sure myself , but I think it's just like um it's it's a wheel , it's like not separate buttons . Look , this one here . But I'm I'm not really sure whether whether you can really turn it round , it's like you press this or this or 900.6 902.31 906.02 907.28 908.78 913.0 915.17 915.61 916.7 920.41 ES2006c A MEO022 0 915.071 917.411 915.071 917.32 Oh okay , the iPod thing , yeah . 916.14 917.01 917.32 ES2006c B FEE024 1 915.831 917.703 916.07 917.43 Oh , it's like the iPod . 916.35 917.43 ES2006c B FEE024 1 920.206 932.63 920.23 932.63 G yeah , no , you can . It's like it's like where you you know how you have your your mouse , and y you go round and i it's kind of like that and you spin round and it yeah . It is 920.54 920.77 921.64 925.82 931.91 ES2006c A MEO022 0 921.312 923.296 921.33 923.296 Uh it's the iPod uh kind of uh - ES2006c C FEE021 2 925.234 926.892 925.234 926.49 Uh-huh . 926.49 ES2006c A MEO022 0 927.552 930.576 927.58 930.52 Alright , right . Okay , okay . 928.35 929.48 929.86 930.52 ES2006c A MEO022 0 931.814 936.672 931.88 936.42 So instead of going down you just spin yeah , yeah . 935.57 936.42 ES2006c B FEE024 1 934.064 938.448 934.21 938.41 You just go round and it is a bit weird at first , but it's actually very like fast . 936.18 938.41 ES2006c C FEE021 2 934.4 934.928 934.42 934.83 Mm-hmm . 934.83 ES2006c A MEO022 0 938.768 939.056 938.83 939.02 Uh-huh . 939.02 ES2006c C FEE021 2 939.003 939.675 939.02 939.43 Mm-hmm . 939.43 ES2006c B FEE024 1 939.348 954.288 939.42 954.25 I like the the wheels that click on the side you you get 'em much slower , so it's quite good if you like searching quite a lot of stuff . Do you know , if you're lookin if you're th scrolling through the A_ to Z_ of your music and you're looking for something at T_ , then it's a lot faster than the wheel , but you've got a lot less control over it . 942.97 946.17 946.42 951.31 952.61 954.25 ES2006c C FEE021 2 945.632 946.24 945.69 946.21 Mm-hmm . 946.21 ES2006c A MEO022 0 945.616 946.11 945.72 946.01 Right . 946.01 ES2006c D FEO023 3 945.933 946.648 946.0 946.61 Uh-huh . 946.61 ES2006c A MEO022 0 950.832 951.376 950.86 951.24 Mm-hmm . 951.24 ES2006c C FEE021 2 954.416 954.88 954.57 954.85 Mm-hmm . 954.85 ES2006c A MEO022 0 954.512 960.96 954.58 960.89 Right . So maybe I should include that here as well , L_C_D_s um plus spinning . 954.84 957.6 960.89 ES2006c D FEO023 3 955.428 956.018 955.47 955.84 Mm . 955.84 ES2006c C FEE021 2 957.289 958.122 957.6 958.01 Yeah . 958.01 ES2006c D FEO023 3 958.848 959.384 958.848 959.384 Uh - ES2006c C FEE021 2 962.256 963.096 962.28 963.04 Yeah . 963.04 ES2006c D FEO023 3 964.352 985.461 964.68 985.4 Okay , and the personal preferences are pretty much the same as as as last time . It it has to be small , simple . Okay , we decided to include voice recognition , so to have the standard uh major buttons like on , off , um ch the channels and and then um volume and then the rest would be a menu on the screen . 964.95 968.71 970.1 971.29 971.54 974.44 978.16 978.55 985.4 ES2006c C FEE021 2 968.568 969.264 968.6 969.17 Mm-hmm . 969.17 ES2006c D FEO023 3 985.871 1008.72 985.92 1008.69 Um and I I also thought uh if we want to keep it small and nice um and actually I I quite like the idea of a scroll a scrolling button , I thought it could be for for voice like , I dunno , it mm like on a um i like it used to be on Walkmans or something . There is uh I think there is no reason why we couldn't use something like this for for the remote control . 995.83 997.82 998.22 1003.53 1008.69 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1008.64 1009.335 1008.74 1009.23 Mm-hmm . 1009.23 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1008.896 1009.536 1008.93 1009.48 Mm-hmm . 1009.48 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1010.432 1012.272 1010.45 1012.12 So yeah , that's uh that's it . 1010.98 1012.12 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1012.246 1017.52 1012.28 1017.49 Excellent . Okay , straight to trends , and then we can discuss it all at once . 1013.84 1014.33 1015.27 1017.49 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1016.583 1017.408 1016.98 1017.2 Right . 1017.2 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1025.616 1032.222 1025.65 1032.06 Okay , I've put the copy of the presentation in um the yeah . 1026.04 1032.06 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1029.178 1037.442 1029.49 1037.11 The project documents . Excellent . If you two could both do that as well , in case we need to refer to it . 1031.59 1032.45 1035.57 1037.11 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1033.82 1034.53 1033.93 1034.43 Mm-hmm . 1034.43 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1050.546 1051.04 1050.6 1051.0 Cool . 1051.0 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1057.92 1059.424 1058.13 1058.93 Here it comes . 1058.93 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1068.65 1069.416 1068.72 1069.38 Okay . 1069.38 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1070.19 1083.296 1070.44 1083.25 Fabulous . Okay , cool . Um so what I did was to search the internet to come up with market trends and you know what users are gonna be wanting in the the near future . Okay . 1071.84 1072.43 1073.29 1082.74 1083.25 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1081.52 1082.256 1081.54 1082.17 Mm-hmm . 1082.17 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1084.576 1101.108 1084.6 1101.03 Right . Now , the first aspect is apparently twice as important as the second aspect , which is twice as important as the third a aspect . So , I mean the the easy to use thing is fairly low down on the which I think given the target group is what you would expect , really . 1085.04 1085.6 1089.46 1092.37 1092.86 1100.51 1101.03 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1091.984 1092.528 1092.01 1092.49 Okay . 1092.49 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1096.487 1097.017 1096.57 1096.91 Mm-hmm . 1096.91 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1100.56 1101.088 1100.58 1101.03 Mm-hmm . 1101.03 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1101.73 1121.014 1101.75 1121.014 Um , you know , people want something new , something technologically innovative and different , so the whole idea with the L_C_D_s and the spinning and the colours and the voice recognition is quite like , quite the thing to go for . And um , yeah it wants to look fancy , fancy look and feel . So 1102.92 1103.28 1104.42 1106.88 1113.09 1114.8 1115.62 1117.64 1119.64 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1114.353 1115.068 1114.41 1114.82 Mm-hmm . 1114.82 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1114.477 1115.328 1114.67 1115.13 Okay . 1115.13 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1119.442 1151.856 1119.48 1151.79 So um uh maybe uh as you're discussing things , is it okay if we just uh keep highlighting things here ? Right . So mm uh so it yeah , so probably voice recognition is is kind of important , right ? Um and an yeah . Okay , I I have a point about L_C_D_ , I dunno if it is the right point to take it up . W uh L_C_D_s are basically for feedback , right , to the user who's pressing buttons , and the feedback can come through television itself , so do we need an L_C_D_ on the remote ? 1122.97 1126.43 1126.96 1130.79 1134.77 1135.38 1138.64 1138.82 1140.36 1143.3 1145.52 1145.9 1148.03 1150.18 1151.79 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1123.888 1126.213 1123.96 1126.1 Yeah , yeah , sure . Yeah . 1124.26 1124.46 1125.71 1126.1 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1124.604 1125.917 1124.7 1125.77 Yeah , yeah . 1125.25 1125.77 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1127.712 1130.784 1127.73 1130.784 That's over on the interface , if if you could put 1129.18 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1133.664 1134.512 1133.68 1134.11 Yeah . 1134.11 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1135.581 1140.32 1135.74 1140.28 And maybe the L_C_D_ and spinning so that means we need an advanced thing . 1140.28 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1145.923 1146.529 1146.01 1146.41 Mm-hmm . 1146.41 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1146.64 1147.126 1146.67 1147.09 Mm . 1147.09 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1152.224 1176.112 1152.224 1176.06 Depends how fast your television runs , really , don't don't you think ? I mean we've got one of those um Telewest boxes and you put the number in the remote and then you wait and then it goes to the T_V_ and then you wait , and then it comes , so i it actually takes quite a long time . And if you get the number in wrong , then it's a bit of a pain , so I think , you know , a screen on the remote would probably cut down your time on that . But like remotes do tend to get f thrown about a bit . 1154.25 1154.52 1155.86 1162.89 1164.0 1165.98 1167.95 1169.0 1169.62 1170.25 1173.7 1176.06 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1158.88 1159.36 1159.03 1159.32 Mm . 1159.32 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1165.632 1166.384 1165.67 1166.3 Mm . 1166.3 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1166.616 1168.048 1166.78 1168.048 Right . 1167.75 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1176.416 1176.96 1176.47 1176.9 Right . 1176.9 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1176.44 1182.832 1176.57 1182.832 It it is also quite nice though to to have something here so you don't interrupt the picture on the screen , so if you're watching something 1181.58 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1177.296 1177.972 1177.32 1177.71 You know ? 1177.71 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1181.872 1182.561 1181.89 1182.53 Yeah . 1182.53 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1182.784 1185.056 1182.8 1185.056 That's true , yeah , that's also 1183.5 1183.75 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1183.455 1190.978 1183.49 1190.978 And i it would be like I mean if you could make it integrate with the T_V_ then it could come up with new information about what's on , and you could just see that on the remote rather than 1188.87 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1190.317 1194.709 1190.43 1194.28 Yeah . Rather than having to interrupt your viewing pleasure . 1191.33 1194.28 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1192.592 1193.088 1192.7 1193.05 Yeah . 1193.05 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1194.224 1218.769 1194.24 1218.37 But um I think maybe a way to do it would be a similar way to how you have your mobile phone , you know , like you have the slidey ones and you have the flippy ones and then the screen's protected so it doesn't actually get scratched . So you can have like what looks like a normal remote control , you know or like a minimalist remote control . So you got your buttons one to nine , your on and off and your volume on that and then if you want to mess about with it , you flip it open and , yeah . 1198.58 1198.84 1204.91 1207.55 1209.98 1211.4 1215.39 1218.0 1218.37 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1194.265 1194.761 1194.36 1194.71 Right . 1194.71 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1203.184 1204.048 1203.22 1203.97 Mm . 1203.97 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1204.4 1204.992 1204.55 1204.83 Mm-hmm . 1204.83 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1208.319 1208.72 1208.34 1208.59 Yeah . 1208.59 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1212.32 1213.275 1212.34 1212.86 Mm right . 1212.86 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1214.144 1216.288 1214.16 1216.16 And then you can flip it open . 1216.16 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1217.946 1218.416 1218.01 1218.32 Okay . 1218.32 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1219.012 1223.936 1219.03 1223.936 So now we seem to have a consensus that L_C_D_s are definitely the way to go because of style and - ES2006c C FEE021 2 1222.501 1223.881 1222.56 1223.62 Yeah , I think so . 1222.81 1223.62 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1224.096 1226.672 1224.12 1226.52 Yeah , so that kind of decides your whole chip thing . 1224.44 1226.52 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1226.608 1227.042 1226.64 1226.97 Right . 1226.97 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1226.631 1227.664 1226.81 1227.22 Yeah . 1227.22 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1228.032 1230.256 1228.05 1230.22 You you agree ? Maarika , yeah ? Yeah . 1229.21 1229.58 1229.97 1230.22 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1229.216 1230.173 1229.24 1230.02 Yep , yeah . 1229.57 1230.02 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1231.296 1232.16 1231.32 1231.63 Right . 1231.63 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1232.16 1236.136 1232.18 1236.03 So L_C_D_s , yeah , definitely . Go on . 1234.09 1234.36 1235.61 1236.03 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1232.784 1233.472 1232.81 1233.29 Okay ? 1233.29 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1236.56 1253.657 1236.88 1253.56 Cool . Okay , apparently , fruit and vegetables will be providing inspiration . Sorry , I discovered clip art . Um so these will be an important feature for clothes , shoes and furniture . So I mean , I'm taking this to mean , you know , curviness . 1238.01 1238.49 1239.4 1241.9 1242.21 1245.6 1248.33 1250.25 1250.97 1252.13 1252.72 1253.56 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1255.024 1258.623 1255.06 1258.38 Do you know ? 'Cause you don't tend to get flat vegetables . You know ? 1255.52 1258.08 1258.38 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1256.619 1262.032 1256.619 1261.38 Yeah , and possibly even uneven , like not not symmet yeah . 1257.82 1259.59 1261.38 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1257.419 1258.194 1257.95 1258.11 Mm-hmm . 1258.11 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1259.648 1283.968 1259.67 1283.968 Yeah , bit of asymmetry and stuff . But that would be a good way to to get in the whole um R_S_I_ issue in there , because I mean if you think most people use the remote control with their right hand ha right hands so you wanna you curve it so that it's suitable for use with the right hand . Um yeah , I'm not quite sure about the relevance of material will be spongy . Um 1259.89 1261.93 1268.5 1278.19 1279.68 1283.55 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1268.432 1269.104 1268.46 1268.91 Mm-hmm . 1268.91 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1268.593 1269.104 1268.75 1268.98 Right . 1268.98 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1276.244 1276.976 1276.5 1276.84 Mm-hmm . 1276.84 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1277.822 1278.529 1277.89 1278.23 Mm . 1278.23 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1277.8 1278.6 1278.0 1278.53 Mm-hmm . 1278.53 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1283.53 1285.92 1283.74 1285.92 Something a bit squishy and - ES2006c B FEE024 1 1285.888 1288.61 1285.888 1288.61 Yeah , but I mean y you have to 1286.85 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1286.873 1296.545 1287.16 1296.545 Yeah , we we have we have rubber , but there is a problem that I forgot to discuss with the um with using 1287.3 1290.18 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1287.058 1290.338 1287.3 1290.3 So it could be like a rubbery yeah , uh-huh . 1289.9 1290.3 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1299.584 1304.96 1299.6 1304.96 Well I suppose you wouldn't get a remote uh an electric shock off your remote control if it was made of rubber . 1304.25 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1303.982 1307.712 1304.17 1307.66 Yeah , and it'd help if you drop it , it protects it as well . 1304.89 1306.36 1307.66 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1307.808 1309.341 1307.85 1309.31 Yeah , yeah . 1308.78 1309.31 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1308.782 1309.68 1308.85 1309.65 To some degree . 1309.65 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1309.849 1328.088 1309.87 1328.088 So if if we use uh latex cases , they won't allow us to use solar cells , as an energy source that is the constraint , so um we could use titanium , wood or plastic uh or uh 1312.67 1315.25 1318.14 1323.08 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1317.342 1317.955 1317.44 1317.92 Uh-huh . 1317.92 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1326.265 1333.536 1326.29 1333.35 Or if we want to use the the latex , then we have to go with one of the other um power things . 1328.88 1333.35 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1331.891 1338.032 1332.0 1337.49 If it's made of rubber you could get the kinetic energy fairly easily there , you could just bounce it up and down . 1335.21 1337.49 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1332.112 1333.708 1332.13 1333.26 Yeah , w energy source . 1332.29 1333.26 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1334.46 1343.392 1334.46 1343.392 From from bouncing it . You can have it as like a little ball to bounce , that flips open . 1337.91 1340.61 1343.04 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1336.224 1342.567 1336.224 1342.567 Yeah , tap it on the desk , yeah . 1336.61 1337.49 1342.51 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1340.656 1346.64 1340.68 1346.61 Yeah . Um so yeah , um okay . 1343.31 1345.88 1346.61 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1343.808 1344.16 1343.84 1344.12 Mm . 1344.12 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1346.128 1350.997 1346.15 1350.95 So probably double curved surface is the way to go , yeah , . 1349.1 1350.95 1350.95 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1349.396 1351.568 1349.396 1351.53 Yeah , yeah . 1351.13 1351.53 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1350.083 1351.2 1350.23 1350.95 Mm yeah . 1350.95 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1351.728 1363.088 1351.75 1363.088 Or or curved at one end and flat on the top , because I I'm not sure if it is flat on both both the sides , then ho how much easy would it be to reach for buttons , etcetera . Um 1355.03 1358.19 1360.54 1361.92 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1362.752 1373.135 1362.77 1373.0 You have to have a certain element of flatness , I think . It it depends on the whole ergonomics of it , you know , it's like how you put your hands so y it's the least movement basically . 1365.12 1365.39 1368.35 1368.9 1373.0 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1365.087 1365.808 1365.37 1365.7 Yeah . 1365.7 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1370.522 1377.984 1371.04 1377.984 Yeah . Yeah , singe single side curved or double side curved does not say too much , does it ? It uh 1371.37 1371.93 1375.33 1376.2 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1372.318 1373.114 1372.5 1373.08 Uh-huh . 1373.08 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1375.827 1397.648 1376.21 1397.59 No , I d I don't think it makes a lot of difference . I I have one of those s slidey phones and I mean the back is essentially straight , but it's curvy , so . Besides , you have four sides to a thing , so I mean does curved one side mean one side is straight and , you know curved two sides means the whole thing is just a big curvy p thing ? 1376.45 1379.37 1384.29 1385.14 1386.8 1387.2 1388.6 1393.4 1397.59 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1384.064 1384.932 1384.09 1384.49 Mm . 1384.49 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1384.524 1385.268 1384.73 1384.93 Mm . 1384.93 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1386.448 1388.701 1386.448 1388.701 Uh I think uh - ES2006c C FEE021 2 1386.688 1387.936 1386.8 1387.936 Yeah , 'cause the 1387.11 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1389.049 1389.588 1389.08 1389.46 Yeah . 1389.46 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1392.336 1392.848 1392.48 1392.78 Right . 1392.78 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1397.276 1419.644 1397.46 1419.59 Right . Di now did it say anywhere in your research material about this sliding stuff uh because um according to the information that I have , I think uh the onl only options that we have with the case is are these three . Uh eith either we have uh a flat surfaced uh case or a curved surfaced case . It does not say anything about uh whether technically , you know , this this stuff is available at all . 1398.03 1405.44 1410.26 1415.19 1417.72 1417.95 1419.59 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1397.881 1398.56 1397.92 1398.25 Dunno . 1398.25 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1410.03 1410.802 1410.24 1410.77 Yeah . 1410.77 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1415.125 1417.585 1415.35 1417.55 Nothing to open them . 1417.55 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1419.824 1432.32 1419.84 1432.28 Yeah . Uh it's it's more about the protecting the L_C_D_ , which I think is where it came from . But no , my research didn't tell me anything , which is why we have all the pictures , 'cause I had nothing better to do with my time . Okay , cool . 1420.41 1423.2 1425.44 1425.92 1427.42 1428.98 1431.36 1431.96 1432.28 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1422.992 1425.552 1423.47 1425.35 Right , yeah , yeah . 1424.56 1425.02 1425.35 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1428.928 1430.427 1428.928 1430.23 Right . 1430.23 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1430.912 1431.764 1431.14 1431.47 Okay . 1431.47 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1431.952 1434.112 1431.98 1433.58 Anything else ? What've we got ? 1432.85 1433.58 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1433.586 1441.054 1433.61 1440.94 Uh combine style with a level of functionality , um beauty and practicality and a thing of beauty and p function . 1437.08 1440.94 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1441.68 1444.16 1441.71 1443.91 Okay , so . 1443.29 1443.91 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1441.294 1443.008 1441.76 1442.96 Cool , thanks . 1442.55 1442.96 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1442.528 1442.784 1442.55 1442.7 Okay ? 1442.7 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1443.173 1444.159 1443.173 1443.97 Thanks - ES2006c C FEE021 2 1445.696 1451.168 1445.78 1451.13 Looking at what we've got , we we want an L_C_D_ display with a spinning wheel . 1447.67 1451.13 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1450.326 1459.112 1450.59 1459.05 Yeah . Let's let's try to r rub off things and yeah , so um hand dynamos are definitely out , right ? 1451.62 1455.06 1458.44 1459.05 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1453.632 1455.232 1453.65 1455.0 Yeah , rub off some of those . 1453.92 1455.0 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1459.712 1466.889 1459.712 1466.79 Yeah , it's not that's not streamlined and sexy , having a having a wind up . 1461.84 1464.59 1466.79 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1459.77 1462.9 1459.77 1462.76 You you got a wind dynamo , yeah . 1462.42 1462.76 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1460.15 1462.396 1460.42 1462.36 Yeah uh-hum yeah . 1462.36 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1464.628 1472.288 1464.73 1472.25 Okay . Um kinetic energy does seem to have some kind of uh uh appeal , but uh 1466.24 1471.56 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1470.512 1471.203 1470.53 1470.99 I think tha - ES2006c B FEE024 1 1473.037 1477.326 1473.037 1477.326 It's about the practicality of it really , isn't it ? You know ? I mean if 1475.43 1475.81 1476.51 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1473.36 1474.352 1473.36 1474.352 it's - ES2006c A MEO022 0 1475.488 1483.728 1475.51 1483.67 Yeah . As against a watch , which constantly keeps moving , this this thing will have to be tapped every time , which which might be very frustrating for the user . 1476.46 1477.36 1478.87 1480.64 1483.67 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1483.524 1494.32 1483.524 1494.25 Depends how much how much movement it really needs . Pr presumably if they're suggesting it , then we could use it . I'd I'd keep it on . 1488.09 1490.57 1493.31 1494.25 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1485.904 1501.904 1486.12 1501.87 Kinetic energy it needs I don't have too much technical information on that , yeah , right . Okay , let's keep it option uh keep an option , yeah . Um the flat co completely flat case is definitely out , right ? It has to be at least curved from one side , yeah . 1490.19 1491.49 1492.66 1492.87 1494.35 1495.03 1499.14 1499.49 1501.68 1501.87 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1499.07 1501.008 1499.07 1500.9 Yeah it's yeah . 1500.9 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1499.024 1503.6 1499.1 1503.5 We don't want that it's no it's not not vegetable . 1503.5 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1504.368 1511.216 1504.39 1511.18 Um okay , we still have all all the options . Wood , do you think wood will be a good idea ? 1507.07 1508.98 1509.72 1511.18 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1510.032 1518.288 1510.4 1518.288 N wood is I can't n how do you uh I mean you can't keep it really small uh you can't make it like thin and - ES2006c A MEO022 0 1515.863 1516.736 1515.91 1516.34 Mm . 1516.34 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1518.432 1519.328 1518.71 1519.19 Right . 1519.19 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1519.52 1529.36 1519.56 1529.32 The wood thing . Because you need to you n you need to put all the technology in , so I mean if the case you add the case and it it becomes a bit bulky wi mm-mm yeah . 1520.03 1523.28 1529.32 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1519.632 1520.608 1519.65 1519.9 Mm . 1519.9 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1519.556 1522.232 1519.76 1522.04 I can't imagine a m wooden remote control . 1522.04 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1526.096 1534.16 1526.12 1534.16 Yeah if if it is really thin if it is really thin it it's likely to break , it's it's much more uh 1531.43 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1528.96 1529.732 1529.3 1529.58 Mm . 1529.58 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1531.584 1532.458 1531.6 1532.37 Yeah , yeah . 1532.02 1532.37 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1533.104 1541.536 1533.12 1541.536 Yeah , and given that we're we're looking at more spongy material preferences , I ha would think maybe rubber or plastic is more 1533.35 1538.48 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1533.041 1533.816 1533.2 1533.64 Yeah . 1533.64 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1539.357 1541.767 1539.47 1541.68 U yeah wood is not really yeah . 1541.68 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1541.104 1541.63 1541.16 1541.4 Right . 1541.4 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1541.075 1549.984 1541.6 1549.69 Well it's not very cleanable either , do you know . It's it's not a practical I mean it's it's alright for a table , but for a remote control , you know . 1543.87 1544.86 1548.2 1549.48 1549.69 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1543.232 1543.856 1543.25 1543.82 Yeah . 1543.82 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1543.776 1545.376 1543.776 1544.31 That's true . 1544.31 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1543.746 1544.36 1543.99 1544.31 Yeah . 1544.31 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1549.952 1551.104 1550.35 1551.01 Yeah . 1551.01 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1550.976 1553.145 1551.0 1553.145 And splinters and stuff and - ES2006c A MEO022 0 1552.672 1555.68 1552.69 1555.46 Yeah , okay wood is out . 1553.75 1555.46 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1553.135 1554.196 1553.24 1554.09 Yeah . 1554.09 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1555.088 1558.559 1555.11 1558.35 It just m doesn't make any sense , I think is the thing with wood . 1556.44 1558.35 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1556.693 1557.095 1556.79 1557.01 Right . 1557.01 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1556.768 1559.712 1556.79 1559.62 Yeah , yeah , in the case of remote control not really . 1557.28 1557.53 1559.62 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1559.728 1560.576 1559.75 1560.15 Yeah . 1560.15 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1559.968 1575.424 1559.968 1575.424 Okay , now for the really interesting stuff , the interface . Right , so uh the the push-buttons is is our expertise uh in the industry , but uh it seems to be out of trend , you know , nobody seems to be 1560.78 1563.0 1564.31 1564.52 1570.75 1573.94 1574.48 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1564.145 1564.642 1564.17 1564.55 Yeah . 1564.55 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1574.864 1577.206 1574.88 1577.13 You have to have some push-buttons , don't you ? 1576.66 1577.13 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1575.104 1580.656 1575.12 1580.62 Yeah , but you um I think for for the channel numb uh channel numbers you still need them , wouldn't you ? 1575.22 1580.24 1580.62 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1580.192 1580.896 1580.22 1580.79 Mm-hmm . 1580.79 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1580.816 1582.016 1580.84 1581.98 G yeah , yeah . 1581.57 1581.98 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1581.184 1582.929 1581.2 1582.89 Mm right . 1582.89 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1581.968 1584.482 1581.99 1584.482 Yeah , so for channel numbers but 1583.23 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1583.312 1592.258 1583.52 1592.12 Oh , if if we have L_C_D_ displays , that opens up a whole world , you know , if you have an L_C_D_ display , then mm you can select almost everything on the L_C_D_ display . 1583.88 1585.58 1587.05 1587.28 1589.13 1592.12 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1590.048 1608.944 1590.07 1608.8 But I th yeah but I think the L_C_D_ display is kind of yeah , it's faster with a m yeah and w if we dis and when we s um discussed that we might like this flipping open thing , then I mean y you can use it as a normal remote control , but if you do want to use L_C_D_ , then you flip it open , but it's it it's more time-consuming . 1594.58 1601.07 1604.13 1605.71 1606.73 1608.8 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1592.903 1594.09 1592.92 1594.09 Just for fast - ES2006c A MEO022 0 1601.099 1601.632 1601.12 1601.58 Right . 1601.58 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1601.52 1602.128 1601.54 1601.82 Yeah . 1601.82 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1603.792 1604.467 1603.95 1604.26 Okay . 1604.26 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1603.929 1604.45 1604.05 1604.38 Yeah . 1604.38 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1607.504 1618.336 1607.52 1618.29 Yeah . I think this is going back to the the graph at the beginning that I made , where , you know , the buttons that people use all the time , you want buttons for them and everything else menu-driven . 1608.79 1611.96 1612.31 1612.69 1614.37 1618.29 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1607.961 1608.415 1608.06 1608.36 Yeah . 1608.36 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1615.424 1616.427 1615.62 1616.03 Mm right . 1616.03 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1615.84 1616.128 1615.86 1616.09 Yeah . 1616.09 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1616.151 1619.896 1616.22 1619.19 And it yeah L_ L_C_D_ . 1619.19 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1618.686 1630.677 1618.78 1630.32 So uh in in the buttons we have for the channels also we have options . Do you do we enumerate everything from zero to nine ? Or do we have just uh channel plus , channel minus , just to just to scroll ? 1622.72 1625.81 1628.26 1629.01 1630.32 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1628.864 1637.685 1628.864 1637.685 No , no , I mean mm we we definitely need the the numbers , because it's uh otherwise people don't want to flip through all the channels . Um 1629.51 1629.88 1632.53 1637.31 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1632.596 1633.454 1632.75 1633.37 The numbers . 1633.37 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1633.705 1634.302 1633.73 1634.11 Yeah . 1634.11 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1636.72 1637.246 1636.77 1637.07 Yeah . 1637.07 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1636.757 1640.272 1636.91 1640.24 Do we need them on as buttons or do we need them as L_C_D_ ? 1640.24 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1636.916 1637.455 1637.07 1637.3 Right . 1637.3 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1638.864 1643.52 1638.88 1643.52 Or on the L_C_D_ we can , you know 1641.57 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1641.51 1644.44 1641.57 1644.4 G yeah , I would think buttons , yeah . 1642.86 1644.12 1644.4 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1641.547 1645.184 1641.87 1645.13 Yeah , I would say buttons , because it's yeah . 1642.27 1644.13 1645.13 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1644.286 1645.127 1644.38 1645.05 Buttons . 1645.05 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1645.302 1648.062 1645.302 1648.062 Okay . So mm 1646.86 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1645.664 1673.425 1645.68 1673.12 It's it's the I think the thing is , so if someone just wants to turn on their T_V_ and put on a channel , then it should be easier to use than any other remote , and then if someone wants to , you know , change the contrast on their T_V_ and they should be able to do that and it should be accessible , but , you know , I mean most of the time I mean there's a limit to how much the biggest techno geek can spend fiddling with the T_V_ , I think is the the the issue there . 1647.67 1652.01 1655.22 1657.13 1657.81 1663.45 1664.26 1664.66 1671.33 1673.12 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1646.378 1646.866 1646.57 1646.76 I - ES2006c C FEE021 2 1649.989 1650.561 1650.03 1650.35 Mm . 1650.35 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1652.112 1652.832 1652.13 1652.5 Yeah . 1652.5 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1653.056 1653.52 1653.08 1653.49 Yeah . 1653.49 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1660.208 1660.768 1660.33 1660.7 Alright . 1660.7 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1663.68 1664.322 1663.85 1664.25 Mm-hmm . 1664.25 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1670.784 1671.52 1670.8 1671.15 Yeah . 1671.15 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1670.624 1671.904 1670.97 1671.8 Right . 1671.8 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1673.856 1681.296 1673.856 1681.296 Okay , so buttons definitely in but oh shall we uh try to draw a prec um 1674.69 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1680.64 1689.584 1680.66 1689.5 I think that's what you guys are gonna do next , so if we put down the key um things that we want . 1683.42 1689.5 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1683.16 1683.976 1683.16 1683.8 Uh okay . 1683.8 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1685.392 1691.856 1685.42 1691.82 Okay , okay , so the components . Right , so uh what about the the scrolling uh ? 1686.26 1686.57 1688.17 1688.33 1691.82 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1686.409 1687.124 1686.55 1687.0 Yeah . 1687.0 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1692.032 1709.907 1692.81 1709.84 Yeah but n I I'm not completely um completely clear uh I yeah , about the spinning wheel . So I think it it doesn't make sense to have both like a scrolling and spinning thing , it's uh you can al include everything in the spinning if you yeah , yeah , in that case . 1697.23 1699.05 1704.37 1708.22 1709.06 1709.84 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1702.957 1705.112 1702.957 1705.112 E either or - ES2006c C FEE021 2 1707.264 1709.829 1707.28 1709.58 Just spinning and not scrolling , I would say . 1708.76 1709.58 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1707.477 1708.339 1707.56 1708.25 G yeah . 1708.25 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1708.998 1726.963 1708.998 1726.73 I would say the s the s the spinning goes at a high speed to th to the scrolling wheel , so you have to decide whether you you know , you want to be going so fast or not . But I mean the the thing with this whole if y you're planning on making it out of rubber , on the basis that it's spongy , then I'm not sure how well a scrolling wheel would work . 1713.13 1715.75 1718.13 1722.41 1724.43 1726.73 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1712.224 1712.928 1712.24 1712.62 Yeah . 1712.62 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1724.228 1725.168 1724.36 1724.57 Hmm . 1724.57 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1726.448 1727.904 1726.5 1727.904 Mm um - ES2006c C FEE021 2 1726.8 1739.808 1726.82 1739.77 But if you've got a if if you've got a flipped thing , effectively it's something that's curved on one side and flat on the other side , but you folded it in half . Th that would be on one side , uh-huh . 1730.15 1734.27 1736.64 1739.29 1739.77 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1728.176 1729.88 1728.2 1729.88 Ah , but I mean you can 1728.27 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1734.638 1738.668 1734.85 1738.56 Yeah , but y your spinning wheel tends to go to one side . 1735.2 1738.56 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1739.056 1744.592 1739.31 1744.592 I'm not sure it'll be a good idea to construct the whole thing out of rubber . Uh i it 1743.12 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1742.72 1747.572 1742.74 1747.54 Yeah , I um I think so too , I mean the case would be yeah the case would be rubber and the the buttons , 1743.05 1744.13 1747.54 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1742.715 1746.906 1743.19 1746.7 No , I think it's just the casing rubber on the outside . 1744.03 1746.7 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1745.21 1748.366 1745.34 1748.366 You want an outside of rubber and then open it up and - ES2006c A MEO022 0 1747.584 1755.542 1747.6 1755.34 Or or at the corners , edges , just the edges covered by rubber or something like that . Everything else in plastic or even titanium if we want to use it . 1748.84 1749.24 1751.66 1755.34 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1748.048 1748.704 1748.07 1748.4 Yeah . 1748.4 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1748.158 1749.536 1748.36 1749.536 rubber buttons , but then 1749.06 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1751.136 1751.456 1751.16 1751.42 Yeah . 1751.42 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1753.072 1753.424 1753.09 1753.39 Yeah . 1753.39 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1755.232 1757.57 1755.25 1757.46 Or maybe like interchangeable cases . 1757.46 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1757.79 1758.416 1757.92 1758.38 Mm-hmm . 1758.38 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1758.528 1772.72 1758.55 1772.69 'Cause I know like we're going back to iPods again n the whole spinning wheel , but I have like a you know , obviously my iPod's not made of rubber , but then I have a little rubber case that goes over the top of it and I can change the colour , theoretically , to match my outfit . 1762.49 1764.2 1766.84 1771.23 1771.86 1772.69 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1769.376 1771.152 1769.4 1771.07 Right , right . 1770.73 1771.07 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1769.343 1769.744 1769.5 1769.7 Mm . 1769.7 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1772.656 1780.08 1772.656 1780.08 Right , okay , so so that gives us a more trendy look as well . Um 1775.85 1776.3 1779.47 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1779.536 1782.768 1779.56 1782.73 Yeah , I think the spinning wheel is definitely very now . 1779.79 1782.73 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1782.893 1789.648 1782.98 1789.61 Right . Yeah , and uh we're going more for the trends than for the usability anyway , right ? So 1783.69 1784.12 1787.68 1788.64 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1782.913 1783.76 1783.24 1783.66 Mm-hmm . 1783.66 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1783.664 1784.35 1783.82 1784.19 Mm-hmm . 1784.19 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1785.94 1788.656 1785.94 1788.55 That's right , that's what they're after . 1787.37 1788.55 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1787.232 1787.664 1787.25 1787.63 Yeah . 1787.63 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1790.736 1791.616 1790.76 1791.55 I'll rub that out . 1791.55 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1793.28 1797.632 1793.28 1797.632 And uh colours can be provided with the case rather than - ES2006c A MEO022 0 1798.074 1803.526 1798.1 1803.526 Um but we still need to te think about the colour of our remote as such , you know , just keep it black , or 1801.75 1801.94 1802.85 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1798.144 1799.025 1798.17 1798.97 Mm-hmm . 1798.97 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1802.224 1811.152 1802.24 1811.152 Yeah I think we um it was a a requirement that we use our um th the colours of our company , so would it be like yellow , grey and black or something , or 1807.79 1809.37 1810.82 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1811.504 1812.371 1811.55 1812.27 I guess . 1812.27 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1811.679 1814.496 1811.91 1814.28 That doesn't fit in with the whole vegetable theme though . 1814.28 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1812.576 1813.075 1812.6 1813.075 Yeah , does 1812.69 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1814.909 1816.44 1814.96 1816.44 Bananas . 1815.85 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1814.91 1818.208 1815.12 1818.17 Yeah . Banana's yellow , yeah , definitely . 1815.96 1816.83 1817.69 1818.17 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1816.895 1838.953 1817.42 1838.76 Yeah , but I mean do you think we could incorporate the colours of the company into the buttons and then make the colour of the main remote the colour like vegetable colours , do you know ? So you could have like I mean I suppose vegetable colours would be orange and green and some reds and um maybe purple and that and then you'd pick the buttons in company colours to to match with it . 1817.99 1825.77 1826.51 1838.76 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1826.542 1827.207 1826.65 1827.14 Mm-hmm . 1827.14 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1830.091 1830.896 1830.18 1830.77 Green . 1830.77 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1833.214 1834.005 1833.39 1833.82 Yeah . 1833.82 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1838.308 1839.088 1838.33 1838.95 Mm . 1838.95 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1840.544 1864.24 1840.544 1864.21 Okay . Um okay , if you g go over to uh the integrated circuits . Uh since we're having L_C_D_s there there's no way that we're will be able to um what we do need to consider , however , is that the price is going up for the ever every such thing that we are considering , but since L_C_D_s seems to be uh a definite yes , so it seems to be one area where we would want to spend . 1842.22 1843.73 1846.73 1853.1 1853.49 1857.06 1860.82 1864.21 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1847.949 1851.136 1847.949 1850.97 We need the advanced yeah . 1850.97 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1857.007 1857.782 1857.04 1857.35 Yeah . 1857.35 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1860.816 1861.812 1860.84 1861.57 Yeah . 1861.57 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1865.328 1867.154 1865.35 1866.83 So I'll rub off the other two . 1866.83 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1866.283 1867.04 1866.42 1866.92 Mm-hmm . 1866.92 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1868.582 1873.856 1868.86 1873.856 So are we discounting solar energy because rubber's gonna be used in there somewhere or - ES2006c C FEE021 2 1874.56 1875.408 1874.58 1875.408 That was the - ES2006c A MEO022 0 1875.264 1879.546 1875.75 1879.51 Oh is oh the constraint was uh yeah . 1879.51 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1878.144 1881.215 1878.144 1880.88 If solar panels with the rubber . 1880.88 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1878.16 1883.021 1878.18 1882.84 We can't have solar panels with rubber , so . 1881.88 1882.84 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1880.304 1882.575 1880.32 1882.575 Yeah . So 1881.5 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1882.2 1885.165 1882.36 1885.08 Yeah , okay , so we lose that I think . 1882.88 1883.25 1885.08 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1886.32 1892.832 1886.32 1892.832 Shall we go for if we're going for rubber , we think uh on as our case , and then 1889.22 1891.93 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1891.6 1895.591 1891.69 1895.52 Mm-hmm . And the buttons as well , I think . Yeah . 1893.01 1894.23 1895.17 1895.52 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1894.736 1895.19 1894.76 1895.1 Yeah . 1895.1 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1896.832 1913.888 1897.52 1913.7 I think uh we'll have uh uh using the simple battery will be a safer option as compared to the kinetic energy one , I mean , a although it does seem uh interesting . But it does not hold any advantages as such for a yeah . 1906.66 1906.93 1910.17 1913.7 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1897.872 1900.075 1897.89 1899.87 We've got five more minutes . 1899.87 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1906.64 1907.232 1906.68 1907.2 Mm-hmm . 1907.2 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1910.0 1910.416 1910.07 1910.38 Yeah . 1910.38 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1909.977 1910.816 1910.1 1910.45 Yeah . 1910.45 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1911.856 1913.895 1911.88 1913.86 Yeah , mm-hmm . 1913.31 1913.86 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1912.186 1913.747 1912.21 1913.45 It's just a gimmick . 1913.45 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1917.982 1929.776 1918.05 1929.776 Okay . Uh okay , so r we understand this better now that uh the the speaker is for the feedback , right ? It it says uh the things that you type in or something like that , so 1919.11 1920.05 1923.68 1924.28 1927.79 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1924.0 1924.784 1924.06 1924.69 Mm-hmm . 1924.69 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1927.424 1935.302 1927.44 1935.302 Yeah . I think if we can if we can include them at not too much extra cost , then I'd put them in , but if it's 1928.44 1933.42 1934.36 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1932.015 1937.274 1932.015 1937.274 Ye yeah , we we don't have too much information about it , um 1934.19 1936.57 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1936.42 1937.192 1936.47 1936.96 Yeah . 1936.96 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1936.503 1941.662 1936.93 1941.37 Yeah , but it it I think it should be quite cheap because it's from our own company , yeah . 1937.12 1941.02 1941.37 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1940.105 1943.076 1940.105 1943.076 It's from the company , so 1942.45 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1940.991 1946.704 1941.03 1946.54 Yeah , okay , so so th this is in as well then , the sample speaker . 1941.86 1942.68 1945.52 1946.54 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1945.522 1946.656 1945.54 1946.51 Yeah . 1946.51 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1948.256 1956.464 1948.29 1956.36 Okay . And the case is curved on one side , but then flat flat , so it's flipped into each other . 1949.68 1951.7 1954.15 1956.36 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1948.546 1949.36 1948.78 1949.23 Right . 1949.23 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1952.621 1953.712 1952.64 1953.59 Flat on the top . 1953.59 ES2006c D FEO023 3 1955.443 1956.216 1955.6 1956.06 Mm-hmm . 1956.06 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1955.54 1956.214 1955.82 1956.14 Yeah . 1956.14 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1960.48 1961.305 1960.77 1961.13 Okay . 1961.13 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1964.669 1968.633 1964.82 1968.59 Can I pull the thing out the back of your computer ? 1968.59 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1966.576 1967.962 1966.6 1967.78 Yeah , sure j 1966.9 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1974.189 1975.409 1974.48 1975.409 Just so we can - ES2006c B FEE024 1 1980.03 1981.088 1980.22 1981.088 Sorry , do you want me to 1980.5 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1981.056 1983.152 1981.08 1983.152 Nothing , it's right , I'm just 1981.58 1982.18 ES2006c C FEE021 2 1987.431 1988.508 1987.45 1987.87 There we go . 1987.87 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1990.496 1992.528 1990.52 1992.49 What does um I_C_S_ mean ? 1992.49 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1992.824 1995.296 1992.97 1995.26 I_C_s ? Uh integrated circuits . 1993.88 1995.26 ES2006c B FEE024 1 1995.323 1999.877 1995.52 1999.75 Okay , cool . So it's advanced integrated circuits ? 1996.12 1997.51 1999.75 ES2006c A MEO022 0 1999.632 2000.116 1999.88 2000.04 Yeah . 2000.04 ES2006c C FEE021 2 2000.256 2002.56 2000.34 2002.5 Uh oh now I've gone too far . 2002.5 ES2006c A MEO022 0 2004.592 2011.837 2004.74 2011.43 Uh um we we're definitely going in for voice recognition as well as L_C_D_s , mm . 2010.76 2011.43 ES2006c D FEO023 3 2009.056 2009.583 2009.056 2009.47 Yeah . 2009.47 ES2006c C FEE021 2 2009.84 2010.96 2009.86 2010.13 Yeah . 2010.13 ES2006c C FEE021 2 2015.778 2016.912 2015.88 2016.38 We're on our way . 2016.38 ES2006c C FEE021 2 2031.408 2050.704 2031.43 2050.64 Okay . So we've basically worked out that we're going with a simple battery , the advanced chip and a curved on one side case which is folded in on itself , um made out of rubber and 2033.15 2038.33 2047.27 ES2006c A MEO022 0 2041.248 2041.6 2041.3 2041.48 Right . 2041.48 ES2006c A MEO022 0 2046.448 2047.175 2046.7 2046.89 Yep . 2046.89 ES2006c C FEE021 2 2051.956 2069.84 2052.01 2069.71 the buttons are also rubber . We're having push-buttons on the outside and then on the inside an L_C_D_ with spinning wheel , and we're incorporating voice recognition . That's our overall concept , and it's gonna look sort of vegetable , and be in bright vegetable colours . 2053.11 2058.53 2062.15 2064.58 2067.29 2069.71 ES2006c D FEO023 3 2063.136 2064.86 2063.136 2064.86 Um - ES2006c D FEO023 3 2069.76 2076.448 2069.78 2076.448 Uh-huh . So w w would with have the spinning wheel inside with the L_C_D_ , or would it be on the outer 2070.58 2075.08 ES2006c C FEE021 2 2076.784 2077.827 2076.82 2077.827 I think it's on the - ES2006c B FEE024 1 2076.778 2097.882 2076.98 2097.882 Imagine it would be inside . So um actually that could like really cut down your thing , so you've got your outside , which is like minimalist , and then you open it up and you've got a screen and a spinning wheel , which you can incorporate buttons into . Um so you've still not got like a lot of stuff in the 2079.3 2083.65 2085.0 2086.96 2090.79 2093.59 ES2006c D FEO023 3 2078.64 2079.136 2078.67 2079.1 Okay . 2079.1 ES2006c A MEO022 0 2080.392 2081.408 2080.79 2081.33 Mm . 2081.33 ES2006c D FEO023 3 2086.538 2087.257 2086.7 2087.05 Mm-hmm . 2087.05 ES2006c D FEO023 3 2088.51 2089.587 2088.56 2089.37 Yeah , okay . 2088.83 2089.37 ES2006c D FEO023 3 2092.882 2093.496 2092.99 2093.32 Mm-hmm . 2093.32 ES2006c C FEE021 2 2093.344 2095.44 2093.36 2095.2 Mm-mm . Yeah . 2094.82 2095.2 ES2006c C FEE021 2 2098.289 2099.072 2098.36 2099.072 On the - ES2006c B FEE024 1 2098.72 2111.217 2098.74 2111.04 You've maybe got , you know like if you're modelling on iPod you've got five buttons and a wheel , and four of the buttons are in the wheel , and the other one's the little bit inside the wheel , yeah . 2100.04 2105.73 2107.97 2110.69 2111.04 ES2006c C FEE021 2 2104.617 2105.296 2104.78 2105.26 Mm-hmm . 2105.26 ES2006c C FEE021 2 2109.584 2160.528 2109.6 2160.44 In the centre , yeah , sure . Okay , so now we've got thirty minutes before our next meeting . In the meantime , the Industrial Designer over here is gonna work on the look and feel design , which I'll presume he'll work out what that means . Um the User Interface Designer will work on the user interface design and the Marketing Expert is going to work on product evaluation . And as well as that , the two designers are going to work together on our prototype following those instructions that we've just come up with using modelling clay and you will get extra instructions from your personal coach . Is that all okay ? And anyone who hasn't put their their presentation in the project documents folder , it would be good just so in case we have to refer to it . 2110.5 2111.91 2112.66 2113.17 2117.11 2118.25 2123.63 2126.33 2137.41 2138.97 2152.97 2153.86 2158.03 2160.44 ES2006c D FEO023 3 2110.878 2111.307 2110.96 2111.21 Mm yeah . 2111.21 ES2006c A MEO022 0 2122.992 2123.856 2123.18 2123.65 Mm-hmm . 2123.65 ES2006c D FEO023 3 2148.669 2149.427 2148.88 2149.35 Mm-hmm . 2149.35 ES2006c A MEO022 0 2150.832 2151.472 2150.85 2151.14 Cool . 2151.14 ES2006c D FEO023 3 2153.918 2154.686 2154.25 2154.48 Yeah . 2154.48 ES2006c A MEO022 0 2157.005 2158.562 2157.005 2158.26 Yeah , okay . 2157.76 2158.26 ES2006c D FEO023 3 2159.107 2159.793 2159.25 2159.66 Mm-hmm . 2159.66 ES2006c B FEE024 1 2165.609 2168.4 2165.77 2168.37 Cool , I'm gonna go and sit on my own . 2167.05 2168.37 ES2006c C FEE021 2 2168.484 2172.725 2168.84 2172.51 Y ah nobody wants to talk to you . Unplug yourself . 2171.42 2172.51 ES2006c B FEE024 1 2169.366 2172.791 2169.366 2172.46 I know , I'm hated . 2171.83 2172.46 ES2006c D FEO023 3 2172.253 2173.532 2172.47 2173.532 Hmm . 2173.43 ES2006c B FEE024 1 2173.481 2177.486 2173.7 2177.32 I've got a bit tangled up in all this . 2177.32 ES2006c D FEO023 3 2176.064 2181.012 2176.08 2180.63 So but shall I move away first or shall I stay here with we need to - ES2006c C FEE021 2 2179.744 2181.68 2179.76 2181.64 I dunno , maybe I would car 2180.27 ES2006d A MEO022 0 0.0 4.72 0.0 4.72 I'm proud of it . 4.65 ES2006d C FEE021 2 4.768 9.76 4.79 9.69 Okay . This is our final meeting , the detailed design meeting . 6.25 7.59 9.69 ES2006d C FEE021 2 10.67 26.432 10.85 26.3 And again I'll take minutes . The what we have to get through in this meeting is firstly the prototype presentation from you two , so you can show us what you've been working on so diligently . 14.62 22.11 26.3 ES2006d D FEO023 3 23.504 24.096 23.52 23.84 Yeah . 23.84 ES2006d C FEE021 2 27.086 27.961 27.15 27.88 Um then - ES2006d B FEE024 1 27.151 29.081 27.5 29.0 It does look very cool . 29.0 ES2006d C FEE021 2 28.96 68.903 28.96 68.87 then Cat's going to present the evaluation criteria that we're going to be evaluating this against . Then I need to say some st a few things about finance , 'cause we have to check that it's within the finance criteria . Um and then we'll be making sure that our product fits both the evaluation criteria from Cat and the financial limits . Um and then we uh will have a brief evaluation of the whole process of production and design that we've been through . So we've got forty minutes . S 38.81 41.7 47.9 58.75 66.73 68.73 ES2006d B FEE024 1 68.466 70.576 68.61 70.54 And then do we get to make a remote control ? 70.54 ES2006d C FEE021 2 70.992 74.197 70.992 74.1 'Cause we missed out . 74.1 ES2006d B FEE024 1 73.702 75.152 73.702 75.12 Yeah . 75.12 ES2006d C FEE021 2 75.936 76.84 75.96 76.71 So - ES2006d C FEE021 2 77.712 84.208 77.73 84.17 it's now I guess that we're supposed to start at fifteen thirty five , so we've got until four 82.11 ES2006d C FEE021 2 85.812 86.848 86.33 86.81 fifteen . 86.81 ES2006d A MEO022 0 87.879 92.075 87.99 91.79 Uh-huh . How how much do we have , forty minutes ? Yeah . 89.06 90.17 91.57 91.79 ES2006d C FEE021 2 88.96 89.523 88.98 89.38 Is that right ? 89.38 ES2006d D FEO023 3 90.464 92.275 90.48 92.19 Yeah , about four fifteen , yeah . 90.77 91.65 92.19 ES2006d C FEE021 2 90.96 95.824 90.98 95.824 Yeah , until about four fifteen . So yeah . 91.55 93.26 95.75 ES2006d B FEE024 1 91.121 91.71 91.19 91.53 Yeah . 91.53 ES2006d A MEO022 0 95.883 98.366 95.883 97.84 Okay , so . 97.36 97.84 ES2006d C FEE021 2 97.344 99.197 97.36 99.197 Go for it . Do you want 97.81 ES2006d D FEO023 3 98.704 113.988 98.75 113.988 So , you said um are are we starting with the the so will you maybe start with like the mm the shape and things and and then I will explain the the user interface th uh things , like the buttons and the scrolling things and 99.04 111.55 ES2006d C FEE021 2 101.584 102.22 101.6 102.12 Yes . 102.12 ES2006d A MEO022 0 101.987 102.944 102.14 102.74 Presentation . 102.74 ES2006d A MEO022 0 111.36 127.344 111.36 127.344 Okay . Okay . So um basically going with our trend of vegetables and we selected the colour and approximate shape of banana . Um 113.8 114.57 126.71 ES2006d B FEE024 1 124.592 130.384 124.592 130.19 You think bananas are a safe thing to use ? It's a bit um phallic . 128.73 130.19 ES2006d A MEO022 0 130.824 133.072 130.84 133.072 Yeah . Um 132.14 ES2006d D FEO023 3 130.896 135.856 130.896 135.856 Well , but it's it's just an a approximation . 132.71 135.69 ES2006d C FEE021 2 133.744 145.936 133.77 145.61 Dual use , perfect . Dual use , perfect . Does it vibrate when you press the buttons ? Sorry , sorry . 134.48 136.02 136.62 142.66 144.51 144.94 145.61 ES2006d A MEO022 0 134.888 141.106 134.91 141.106 Yeah . 140.14 ES2006d B FEE024 1 137.428 142.752 138.72 142.752 Oh , your remote control ? Oh that's just bad . 138.81 139.84 142.26 ES2006d A MEO022 0 143.552 172.464 143.552 172.43 Um so basically it's the it's the flip open thing again . So now we we have the okay , so Ma Maarika will explain you the user interface there . And it flips open on the side , so it opens like that . And we have the user interface o in here and uh the the L_C_D_ and and the scroll are inside . Um 150.93 154.14 157.7 159.72 162.53 171.18 ES2006d C FEE021 2 150.544 150.992 150.58 150.94 Mm-hmm . 150.94 ES2006d C FEE021 2 162.16 162.608 162.2 162.53 Mm-hmm . 162.53 ES2006d C FEE021 2 164.272 165.36 164.31 165.33 Wow . 165.33 ES2006d A MEO022 0 173.472 178.077 173.49 178.01 well , everything else is probably user interface , so . Yeah , yeah . 173.84 175.52 176.84 177.39 178.01 ES2006d D FEO023 3 176.96 178.059 176.98 177.82 Uh yeah . 177.82 ES2006d C FEE021 2 176.767 180.361 177.0 180.361 And it's the whole thing's made of rubber , is that 179.52 ES2006d A MEO022 0 179.303 181.152 179.303 181.09 Oh yeah . Yeah , it has , yeah . 180.35 180.53 180.85 181.09 ES2006d D FEO023 3 179.344 180.191 179.36 180.1 Rubber . 180.1 ES2006d D FEO023 3 181.072 182.352 181.09 181.62 Yeah , . 181.62 181.62 ES2006d B FEE024 1 180.918 183.981 181.26 183.69 Is it to scale , or do you think you can make it a bit smaller ? 182.15 183.69 ES2006d D FEO023 3 184.72 197.92 184.79 197.89 Um it could be made a bit smaller , and and of course it would be and yeah , but um one thing we actually kind of um forgot while designing , that one side was supposed to be rounder , so we said the back side round , yeah . 186.4 189.5 193.77 195.92 197.6 197.89 ES2006d B FEE024 1 188.661 189.528 189.31 189.42 Yeah . 189.42 ES2006d A MEO022 0 195.554 202.048 195.554 202.048 Yeah , well , but i since it's made of rubber anyway . I I think it's it's uh 197.07 197.56 199.89 ES2006d C FEE021 2 199.968 200.4 199.99 200.37 Mm-hmm . 200.37 ES2006d D FEO023 3 200.56 201.039 200.58 200.91 Yeah . 200.91 ES2006d B FEE024 1 200.96 209.392 200.98 209.36 It l does look like the curvy and then the whole shape's curvy , so I would say that this curvy does look quite like a vegetable . 204.68 209.36 ES2006d A MEO022 0 205.22 206.16 205.24 205.49 Yeah . 205.49 ES2006d C FEE021 2 206.912 207.264 206.96 207.22 Yeah . 207.22 ES2006d D FEO023 3 209.792 239.132 209.81 238.91 Yeah . And it's spongy as well . So so uh the user interface as as we discussed last time uh mm on on the on the cover we just have the very basic things . So we have that n uh channels here starting from um uh one two three there would be numbers in in the on the actual one . So it's four , up to four , up to seven , up to nine and zero , z zero here . 210.82 214.32 225.49 233.2 234.82 235.88 236.63 238.15 238.91 ES2006d A MEO022 0 209.843 210.8 209.87 210.49 Mm . Hmm . 210.27 210.49 ES2006d B FEE024 1 212.032 216.672 212.032 216.672 I wasn't very keen on that , but yeah . 215.36 216.11 ES2006d C FEE021 2 216.416 216.791 216.44 216.73 Huh . 216.73 ES2006d C FEE021 2 225.328 225.887 225.37 225.74 Mm-hmm . 225.74 ES2006d C FEE021 2 231.616 232.079 231.64 232.04 Yeah . 232.04 ES2006d C FEE021 2 235.581 239.136 235.581 238.9 Six seven eight nine . I like that . 238.16 238.9 ES2006d D FEO023 3 239.132 262.316 239.15 262.25 Yeah . And then , well this is on off button . It's it's quite standard mm place for it and and also the colour is quite often red , so it's it's kind of user friendly . And then these ones would be for flipping the channels back and like the previous one and the next one . And and we would also have a l little um thing saying here , previous and ne prevon prevon next . 240.04 240.49 241.93 248.57 251.01 256.34 259.71 262.25 ES2006d C FEE021 2 250.76 251.569 250.88 251.24 Yeah . 251.24 ES2006d C FEE021 2 256.144 256.764 256.18 256.67 Uh-huh . 256.67 ES2006d B FEE024 1 261.791 263.152 261.81 263.11 So where's the volume ? 263.11 ES2006d C FEE021 2 262.05 262.614 262.19 262.53 Yeah . 262.53 ES2006d D FEO023 3 263.2 276.176 263.52 276.14 The volume is is scrolling . On the side , this one . Yeah you just do it like this . And and and it's it's on the back is mm cover or back lid , because if you flip it open , you can still do the scrolling here . 265.12 265.98 266.64 268.2 272.58 274.61 276.14 ES2006d A MEO022 0 265.128 266.32 265.23 266.13 It's on the side . 266.13 ES2006d B FEE024 1 265.814 268.747 266.08 268.5 Ah , you did get that in then , mm-hmm . 266.51 268.02 268.5 ES2006d B FEE024 1 275.799 277.468 276.1 277.19 Oh okay , . 277.19 277.19 ES2006d C FEE021 2 276.192 276.96 276.23 276.59 Mm-hmm . 276.59 ES2006d D FEO023 3 277.059 295.6 277.38 294.73 See ? So the volume is you just scroll , but then once you flip it open , okay , there there you have the screen and and you have the mm spinning wheel with options to choose . You can move back and forth and then if you need to m choose something on the screen , you just push the cen mm the middle button . 278.23 280.39 282.39 282.73 289.27 292.93 294.73 ES2006d C FEE021 2 284.432 284.768 284.45 284.65 Yeah . 284.65 ES2006d C FEE021 2 287.707 288.254 287.73 288.12 Mm-hmm . 288.12 ES2006d C FEE021 2 294.8 295.216 294.82 295.09 Mm-hmm . 295.09 ES2006d B FEE024 1 295.52 298.4 295.54 298.36 Cool . Oh , the thing we forgot was like a mute button . 296.3 296.64 298.36 ES2006d A MEO022 0 298.896 308.688 298.896 308.54 Uh no , we we'd not put so on on the cover we have the the bare essentials . 300.58 308.54 ES2006d D FEO023 3 299.344 300.16 299.37 300.1 A mute button . 300.1 ES2006d B FEE024 1 300.24 300.76 300.26 300.71 Yeah . 300.71 ES2006d D FEO023 3 301.52 304.791 301.54 304.51 Well , we'll have this on the screen , on the display . 302.17 303.69 304.51 ES2006d C FEE021 2 305.091 309.6 305.79 309.6 Y or you could have it so you on the wheel if you - ES2006d B FEE024 1 306.761 312.449 307.38 312.09 On the wheel , like if you hold the wheel down then it will mute . 308.18 312.09 ES2006d C FEE021 2 310.839 311.813 310.839 311.813 . 311.813 ES2006d A MEO022 0 310.848 315.632 311.11 315.5 Uh on the L_C_D_ we r you know , the main menu will have various options . 313.38 315.5 ES2006d D FEO023 3 313.68 318.465 313.7 318.29 Well , but the but the mute yeah , the scrolling is kind of you have to scroll all the way to make it mute , right ? 314.02 315.2 318.05 318.29 ES2006d C FEE021 2 318.512 322.807 318.53 322.7 But if you hold it in , if it's a scroll and click so you hold it in ? 320.38 322.7 ES2006d B FEE024 1 318.8 320.664 318.82 320.52 Yeah , but it's a scroll and click , isn't it ? 318.91 320.07 320.52 ES2006d A MEO022 0 319.118 319.856 319.29 319.8 Mm . 319.8 ES2006d D FEO023 3 321.872 323.992 321.9 323.92 Okay , yeah , okay . 322.79 323.35 323.92 ES2006d B FEE024 1 322.133 325.203 322.31 324.84 Okay , cool . So that that solves the whole mute issue . 322.66 323.1 324.84 ES2006d A MEO022 0 324.4 325.36 324.57 325.21 Mm . 325.21 ES2006d D FEO023 3 325.28 325.744 325.3 325.66 Yeah . 325.66 ES2006d D FEO023 3 326.88 332.95 326.88 332.83 And okay , so i so the the voice recognition is also just part of it . You can't really see it in the interface . 327.5 331.17 332.83 ES2006d C FEE021 2 331.594 332.56 331.594 332.52 no . 332.52 ES2006d A MEO022 0 332.8 336.254 332.8 336.06 Yeah , it's hidden in there somewhere . 334.33 336.06 ES2006d D FEO023 3 334.416 337.907 334.44 337.86 Yeah . And we do have the logo on it as well . 335.36 337.86 ES2006d C FEE021 2 337.611 338.988 337.75 338.94 Mm-hmm , very good . 338.38 338.94 ES2006d D FEO023 3 339.584 341.023 339.85 341.023 So I think it - ES2006d C FEE021 2 340.592 345.059 340.61 344.7 And it's with the the black and yellow you're even in the right colours . 344.7 ES2006d D FEO023 3 344.496 345.054 344.54 344.93 Yeah . 344.93 ES2006d B FEE024 1 345.568 346.587 345.568 346.587 . 346.587 ES2006d D FEO023 3 346.928 351.634 346.95 351.47 Yeah , I think um we could do l the logo in grey , as it is on the website . 347.14 350.32 351.47 ES2006d A MEO022 0 346.972 347.584 347.21 347.42 Cool . 347.42 ES2006d C FEE021 2 349.888 350.384 349.94 350.32 Mm-hmm . 350.32 ES2006d B FEE024 1 351.888 352.352 351.91 352.22 Yeah . 352.22 ES2006d A MEO022 0 351.94 355.792 351.94 355.792 We ran out of resources here , so . 354.29 355.64 ES2006d D FEO023 3 352.539 353.344 352.56 353.31 In the actual one . 353.31 ES2006d D FEO023 3 354.496 358.24 354.52 358.2 Yeah . So if you have questions . 356.95 358.2 ES2006d A MEO022 0 356.896 362.032 357.2 362.032 You can have a look . 361.99 ES2006d C FEE021 2 358.192 362.098 358.21 362.098 Very good , let's have a look . Test it out . 358.86 360.14 361.92 ES2006d B FEE024 1 362.656 365.44 362.656 365.44 . 365.44 ES2006d C FEE021 2 366.112 368.594 366.22 368.46 Uh it's a sort of intermediate colour , I guess . 368.16 368.46 ES2006d B FEE024 1 368.912 379.232 368.93 379.03 Yeah , oh , we hold the remote . Oh , but it it does feel all cold and slimy . I hate Play-Do , it's just minging . But yeah , uh that's cool , cool . 369.62 370.31 371.28 371.67 374.78 375.61 376.75 377.33 378.7 379.03 ES2006d C FEE021 2 380.446 394.477 380.47 393.89 Very good . Okay , so maybe if we go on to evaluation cri criteria and then we'll there I suspect we're gonna have a couple of minor finance issues , but um we'll se I'm sure we can get around them somehow . 381.52 381.92 391.05 393.89 ES2006d B FEE024 1 381.291 382.057 381.41 381.97 Mm-hmm . 381.97 ES2006d B FEE024 1 385.568 386.172 385.6 385.99 Okay . 385.99 ES2006d A MEO022 0 387.392 388.88 387.59 388.53 Yeah , see the budget . 387.8 388.53 ES2006d C FEE021 2 402.816 406.02 402.85 405.86 We'll just send all of our manufacturing to - ES2006d C FEE021 2 406.523 408.521 406.8 408.36 some nice poor country and - ES2006d C FEE021 2 409.503 411.143 409.56 410.86 cut some of the prices that way . 410.86 ES2006d B FEE024 1 415.056 418.528 415.08 418.528 Wales . 418.08 ES2006d C FEE021 2 416.016 418.638 416.04 418.638 Wales , for example . 416.44 418.45 ES2006d B FEE024 1 419.584 424.566 419.65 424.566 Mm . Cool , okay . Right , okay . 420.36 420.98 421.91 422.58 424.31 ES2006d B FEE024 1 436.552 458.51 436.552 458.33 Fabulous , yeah . Okay , cool . So what we're gonna do is prefer prepare the evaluation of the new design . Um so we're gonna be using a seven point scale , so one is , you know , yes , it totally meets with that requirement and seven is , no , it really doesn't , we need to go back and start again . Um , you know . 439.66 441.3 441.82 442.34 447.16 449.01 450.39 450.79 451.2 454.11 454.29 455.16 457.06 457.46 458.33 ES2006d C FEE021 2 438.0 439.147 438.02 439.08 Marketing Expert . 439.08 ES2006d C FEE021 2 446.832 447.248 446.86 447.09 Mm-hmm . 447.09 ES2006d B FEE024 1 459.568 482.562 459.59 482.562 Basically , what I did was I went through all the like user requirements and things that we've done and we've worked on and like made a list of them . Um you know , so that we can evaluate each one and like so it was about going back to the start and saying oh yeah , we did manage to do that , or oh no , we really forgot about that . Okay ? Cool , so these are what they are . Oh 460.18 469.61 471.15 475.2 476.14 476.89 478.36 478.93 479.24 482.19 ES2006d D FEO023 3 477.68 478.11 477.7 478.01 Yeah . 478.01 ES2006d C FEE021 2 478.224 478.992 478.26 478.73 Mm-hmm . 478.73 ES2006d C FEE021 2 482.704 485.984 482.75 485.94 So for each of these we need to give it a one to seven . Is that right ? 485.41 485.94 ES2006d B FEE024 1 486.048 498.432 486.09 498.33 Yes , I did have A_ , B_ , C_ , and D_ down here , but it seems to have turned into like just bullet points . Okay . But if you can imagine that they say A_ , B_ , C_ , and D_ , then that would be really good . 486.66 487.29 487.56 487.81 489.01 493.45 494.03 495.72 495.95 496.17 497.23 498.33 ES2006d C FEE021 2 491.136 493.472 491.16 493.42 Mm dots , never mind . 492.07 493.42 ES2006d A MEO022 0 502.815 506.691 502.815 506.691 I guess we'll give it maximum points in everything . 506.52 ES2006d D FEO023 3 505.408 509.696 505.43 509.696 Yeah , the yeah , it's definitely attractive . 505.75 506.17 509.55 ES2006d C FEE021 2 507.553 510.496 507.553 510.4 Yeah , I agree . 509.77 510.4 ES2006d D FEO023 3 518.24 521.248 518.47 521.08 Oh , the locatable thing we actually forgot . 518.59 521.08 ES2006d B FEE024 1 521.824 526.064 521.84 525.94 Well , I thought we'd um kinda said that you'd have a little thing to stick on the T_V_ ? 522.2 525.94 ES2006d D FEO023 3 525.984 528.032 526.0 527.93 Yeah . Shall I just prepare it now ? 526.67 527.93 ES2006d C FEE021 2 526.304 528.736 526.32 528.7 Yeah , just prepare one now . 527.53 528.7 ES2006d B FEE024 1 529.061 530.128 529.061 529.72 Yeah . 529.72 ES2006d D FEO023 3 530.048 531.248 530.08 531.05 It will be red , too . 530.92 531.05 ES2006d B FEE024 1 547.233 551.792 547.36 551.74 Cool . Okay . So , be attractive to look at . 548.49 549.75 550.06 551.74 ES2006d B FEE024 1 553.744 556.352 554.17 556.31 That's this one . What do you all say ? 555.37 556.31 ES2006d D FEO023 3 556.761 561.297 556.761 561.18 S seven was th the maximum , yeah ? I I go for seven . 558.94 560.01 561.18 ES2006d A MEO022 0 557.024 558.298 557.11 558.14 So ? 558.14 ES2006d C FEE021 2 557.211 558.355 557.23 558.355 I reckon it - ES2006d C FEE021 2 559.12 559.58 559.19 559.55 Yeah . 559.55 ES2006d B FEE024 1 559.133 559.968 559.4 559.74 Yeah . 559.74 ES2006d C FEE021 2 560.811 565.513 560.95 565.04 Seven , yeah , it's terribly sexy . Yeah . 561.97 562.68 564.57 565.04 ES2006d B FEE024 1 561.083 575.312 561.19 575.21 Oh we're all so proud of the . Okay , so that'll be a seven for A_ . Could oh no , you can't whilst that's up there . Okay um uh what I've done on the next page is I've set it up so we just put the marks in . 564.64 564.99 568.35 569.09 570.75 575.21 ES2006d A MEO022 0 561.287 563.146 561.287 562.79 Yes . 562.79 ES2006d C FEE021 2 575.488 576.432 575.51 576.4 Ah , okay . 575.96 576.4 ES2006d A MEO022 0 575.984 576.576 576.08 576.36 Okay . 576.36 ES2006d C FEE021 2 577.856 584.592 577.88 584.32 Excellent . Except we can't uh we can if we then yeah , I'll take a note , it's fine . 578.93 583.05 583.8 584.32 ES2006d B FEE024 1 580.237 591.12 580.26 590.72 Yeah . But that's alright . If you take a note of them , and then I'll put them in in a minute . Okay , so we're all agreeing on seven for A_ ? Cool , okay . Does it match the operating behaviour of the user ? 580.72 581.4 582.62 584.39 584.71 587.65 588.07 588.4 590.72 ES2006d A MEO022 0 580.832 584.335 580.87 584.335 But we can we can I can I can take note uh uh - ES2006d C FEE021 2 586.923 587.744 586.99 587.56 Yeah . 587.56 ES2006d D FEO023 3 591.456 593.776 591.78 593.74 I would think yes , yeah . 593.39 593.74 ES2006d A MEO022 0 591.774 605.078 591.81 604.85 Um the the only thing that we were considering was that uh this thing is kind of more for right-handed people than for left-handed people , so if you're left-handed you're kind of left uh scrolling with your finger . 600.81 604.85 ES2006d C FEE021 2 591.62 593.608 592.0 593.45 I think it does . 593.45 ES2006d B FEE024 1 592.992 594.823 593.01 594.823 Yeah . I mean 593.91 ES2006d D FEO023 3 602.784 612.336 602.8 612.28 Yeah , so y so we we might do we might want to do like a uh another m model another another version , which is like exactly the mirror image of this one . 603.31 609.98 612.28 ES2006d C FEE021 2 603.244 604.262 603.38 604.16 Alright . 604.16 ES2006d B FEE024 1 612.352 612.88 612.41 612.85 Yeah . 612.85 ES2006d C FEE021 2 612.348 617.28 612.58 617.25 But that's gonna be a problem , 'cause you don't always have all left-handers or all right-handers in a family . 613.55 617.25 ES2006d A MEO022 0 613.136 614.706 613.16 614.13 But then yeah . 614.13 ES2006d A MEO022 0 617.614 622.672 617.63 622.52 Yeah . So bu it's it's not a huge problem , because i i it is operatable . 618.8 620.92 622.52 ES2006d D FEO023 3 617.653 618.528 617.79 618.35 Yeah . 618.35 ES2006d B FEE024 1 618.688 622.755 618.82 622.7 I th I think it's not it's not like it's a pen . 622.7 ES2006d D FEO023 3 621.248 626.769 621.27 626.769 But then then I think left-handed people are already used to discrimination anyway , so they just 625.81 ES2006d C FEE021 2 625.127 626.157 625.2 625.78 Yeah . 625.78 ES2006d B FEE024 1 626.64 636.456 626.66 636.37 Yeah , but I mean because it's not like it's a pen , you know , left-handed people can't normally write right-handed , but they can normally do most things right-handed , so I would say it's not such a big issue . 627.07 628.7 628.91 630.98 632.97 636.37 ES2006d D FEO023 3 629.232 629.756 629.25 629.62 Yeah . 629.62 ES2006d C FEE021 2 632.478 633.176 632.55 633.1 Yeah . 633.1 ES2006d A MEO022 0 633.189 633.952 633.28 633.66 Right . 633.66 ES2006d D FEO023 3 635.617 642.357 635.8 642.357 Yeah , because I mean anyway , right-handed people would be able to scroll with it , so i if the majority are right-handed , it's uh 636.09 637.36 639.46 641.36 ES2006d C FEE021 2 635.936 636.685 636.17 636.52 Mm-hmm . 636.52 ES2006d B FEE024 1 638.768 654.43 638.79 654.18 Yeah . I mean you can you can use your finger to to scroll rather than your thumb . So I mean that does kind of negate the whole R_S_I_ issue . So maybe we need to put that needs a little bit of investigation , maybe give it a five , I would say ? What do you what do you all think ? 640.12 644.69 648.18 651.2 652.08 652.89 654.18 ES2006d A MEO022 0 639.541 640.228 639.77 640.01 Yeah . 640.01 ES2006d C FEE021 2 639.888 640.112 639.91 640.08 Yeah . 640.08 ES2006d C FEE021 2 642.622 643.303 642.76 643.24 Mm-hmm . 643.24 ES2006d C FEE021 2 644.336 644.56 644.36 644.53 Yeah . 644.53 ES2006d A MEO022 0 644.275 644.896 644.39 644.71 Yep . 644.71 ES2006d A MEO022 0 648.0 648.864 648.05 648.64 Mm . 648.64 ES2006d C FEE021 2 651.28 651.662 651.3 651.662 Um - ES2006d C FEE021 2 654.559 656.02 654.82 655.62 Six . 655.62 ES2006d D FEO023 3 655.008 659.435 655.03 659.22 Or maybe six , because it's just one one i one among the issues , I mean . Yeah . 656.07 658.54 658.92 659.22 ES2006d A MEO022 0 654.874 655.952 655.21 655.92 Mm . 655.92 ES2006d C FEE021 2 657.728 669.84 657.75 669.84 Yeah , I think I think for um I mean most people are right-handed , so in in terms of our greatest target group , I think it's pretty good , but we might want to flag it for management , they want might want to um 657.98 661.08 665.2 666.12 668.32 ES2006d D FEO023 3 666.064 666.672 666.09 666.64 Yeah . 666.64 ES2006d A MEO022 0 666.596 667.76 666.62 667.72 One more thing is that i - ES2006d B FEE024 1 670.149 670.856 670.21 670.72 Okay . 670.72 ES2006d A MEO022 0 670.84 677.536 670.89 677.536 It might be a little clumsy when when it opens up , right , so it opens on the side . So 673.58 673.9 675.69 ES2006d C FEE021 2 670.766 671.548 670.92 671.548 They - ES2006d C FEE021 2 675.159 676.312 675.56 676.28 Mm-hmm . 676.28 ES2006d D FEO023 3 675.584 686.24 675.6 686.15 No , yeah , but mm but we have it nicely with the hinges here yeah . So it won't be a problem , it will be and it will be it won't be heavy . 675.68 675.88 680.51 683.53 686.15 ES2006d A MEO022 0 678.64 684.464 678.64 684.464 Yeah yeah yeah , I mean yeah . So you guys can decide wh whether 680.78 682.3 ES2006d C FEE021 2 680.472 681.128 680.67 681.09 Yeah . 681.09 ES2006d B FEE024 1 681.584 683.082 681.6 682.83 Yeah . Yeah . 682.46 682.83 ES2006d A MEO022 0 685.432 686.364 685.96 686.21 Oops . 686.21 ES2006d B FEE024 1 686.544 689.075 686.56 689.01 I th I think the alternative is flipping from the top . 689.01 ES2006d D FEO023 3 689.2 696.814 689.59 696.63 Yeah well yeah , but it's it's a bit long . It's a little bit long . Well , I mean it can be opened like this of course and yeah . 690.44 691.98 693.57 693.74 696.63 ES2006d A MEO022 0 689.276 693.834 689.62 693.78 Yeah , but we which makes it kind of really big , yeah . 690.12 693.53 693.78 ES2006d C FEE021 2 690.725 692.972 690.88 692.67 The length is gonna be difficu - ES2006d B FEE024 1 693.076 694.589 693.57 694.589 Yeah um - ES2006d B FEE024 1 695.536 698.176 695.56 697.91 But you were thinking about making it smaller , yeah ? 697.5 697.91 ES2006d A MEO022 0 698.302 704.912 698.302 704.87 Uh this this kind of uh makes it more and two , it might interfere with the I_R_ channel . 702.19 704.87 ES2006d C FEE021 2 698.72 699.216 698.75 699.18 Mm . 699.18 ES2006d B FEE024 1 699.456 700.255 699.48 700.255 Because - ES2006d D FEO023 3 699.586 701.282 699.77 701.19 S uh slightly smaller . 701.19 ES2006d B FEE024 1 701.298 704.948 701.48 704.88 So you have to keep that side flat . 704.88 ES2006d D FEO023 3 704.864 707.712 705.13 707.55 Yeah , but if we flip it open only as much as that . 705.29 707.55 ES2006d A MEO022 0 707.84 708.624 707.9 708.53 Okay . 708.53 ES2006d B FEE024 1 709.072 714.175 709.09 713.94 So it works like a mobile phone flipping , but y you know , as long as that side's flat , than that will work . 711.08 711.94 713.17 713.94 ES2006d A MEO022 0 713.999 714.56 714.21 714.45 Right . 714.45 ES2006d B FEE024 1 715.744 736.547 715.77 736.24 Okay . Um okay , so C_ . Are are we admitting defeat on C_ or are we saying we're gonna stick a locator on the T_V_ ? There's a locator . Cool , so that means you need a that does mean you need a little speaker on it though , doesn't it ? To make it beep . Or a buzzer . 717.48 719.32 721.89 728.24 729.02 729.35 733.5 734.32 735.68 736.24 ES2006d A MEO022 0 715.808 717.168 716.01 716.9 Okay . 716.9 ES2006d C FEE021 2 725.856 729.837 726.05 729.26 No , we're gonna put it like we've got th there's the locator dot . 726.22 729.26 ES2006d A MEO022 0 726.042 727.448 726.22 727.3 No , we have a locator . 726.4 727.3 ES2006d D FEO023 3 728.894 730.964 729.25 730.91 Mm that you stick on T_V_ . 730.91 ES2006d C FEE021 2 730.898 731.888 731.07 731.77 Mm . 731.77 ES2006d D FEO023 3 735.216 743.175 735.44 743.07 Yeah well w but l but the speak sample speaker is included , so it it has some capacity to mm to do some to make some sounds , so yeah . 738.37 742.51 743.07 ES2006d A MEO022 0 735.363 735.988 735.45 735.92 Yeah . 735.92 ES2006d C FEE021 2 735.412 736.648 735.72 736.16 Yeah . 736.16 ES2006d B FEE024 1 739.023 739.728 739.16 739.55 Okay . 739.55 ES2006d A MEO022 0 740.998 741.728 741.1 741.47 Yeah . 741.47 ES2006d B FEE024 1 741.53 747.888 741.76 747.85 So that's two , so that's seven , yeah . It's locatable ? Fabulous . D_ . 743.25 743.98 744.47 745.92 747.1 747.85 ES2006d D FEO023 3 744.656 745.002 744.68 744.91 Yep . 744.91 ES2006d A MEO022 0 748.259 752.668 748.82 752.668 Intuitive , completely intuitive . 749.35 752.17 ES2006d D FEO023 3 750.748 760.394 751.19 760.394 Yeah . If uh uh if this means intuitive , if it means the way people kind of are used to finding things and it's I th I think it's 752.41 754.62 ES2006d C FEE021 2 758.0 758.441 758.02 758.36 Yeah . 758.36 ES2006d C FEE021 2 759.872 773.136 759.9 773.08 I'd say six , 'cause the I mean the the standard layout for numbers is three three three and one , rather than the way you've got it . I really like the way you have it , but it's not the immediate thing that you're used to . 761.45 767.78 768.87 770.51 773.08 ES2006d B FEE024 1 770.464 771.035 770.48 770.93 Yeah . 770.93 ES2006d A MEO022 0 771.947 773.15 772.35 773.01 Intuitive . 773.01 ES2006d B FEE024 1 773.072 774.706 773.16 774.48 Yeah , and I mean d 773.65 ES2006d C FEE021 2 773.884 774.662 774.17 774.662 So - ES2006d A MEO022 0 774.384 786.544 774.4 786.49 And uh even the scroll , it's a it's a new technology so m m might be a little more difficult for people to get used to in the beginni so it is kind of not very intuitive but uh it's a good technology , I mean once they get used to it . 776.01 785.43 786.49 ES2006d C FEE021 2 778.256 779.394 778.28 779.394 Might be - ES2006d C FEE021 2 784.992 789.792 785.06 789.76 But it and it's something that they will be experiencing in a lot of different places soon . 789.76 ES2006d D FEO023 3 788.976 789.522 789.0 789.41 Yeah . 789.41 ES2006d A MEO022 0 788.98 789.544 789.13 789.49 Yeah . 789.49 ES2006d B FEE024 1 790.032 802.764 790.05 802.63 So , should we maybe say f a five and say it is intuitive , but it's different , so , do you know , I mean it's obvious how to use it , but you might have to think about it first . So we give that one a five , you think ? Yep . 790.62 794.17 795.44 796.97 797.5 798.84 800.14 801.12 802.28 802.63 ES2006d A MEO022 0 790.56 791.76 790.61 791.59 So l - ES2006d C FEE021 2 792.445 793.43 792.48 792.93 Five ? 792.93 ES2006d C FEE021 2 796.336 796.802 796.36 796.63 Yeah . 796.63 ES2006d A MEO022 0 800.902 808.208 801.15 808.208 Yeah , okay . I'm gonna give a seven in everything , so . 801.97 802.49 803.99 808.03 ES2006d C FEE021 2 802.192 805.872 802.21 805.872 I'm happy with five ? Yeah . 804.22 805.1 ES2006d D FEO023 3 802.451 803.304 802.77 803.04 Yeah . 803.04 ES2006d B FEE024 1 805.248 810.032 805.27 809.98 I'm glad you're accepting this . It has taken a little while , hasn't it ? Um intuitive 806.52 807.74 808.48 ES2006d B FEE024 1 812.029 812.848 812.21 812.848 but - ES2006d B FEE024 1 820.048 827.488 820.07 827.28 Sorry , it's really hard to write on those . I just went a bit mad , didn't I ? Um okay , cool , E_ , okay . 820.43 821.68 822.52 823.41 824.25 824.92 826.22 827.28 ES2006d A MEO022 0 821.856 823.838 821.88 823.838 Mm . 823.55 ES2006d B FEE024 1 828.768 837.248 828.79 837.14 Um I would guess this comes back from this whole B_ thing links in here , so possibly for left-handed . 834.74 837.14 ES2006d B FEE024 1 840.416 841.495 840.44 841.37 Investigate . 841.37 ES2006d C FEE021 2 842.448 845.344 842.47 845.23 Yep . But otherwise it's superb . 843.38 845.23 ES2006d B FEE024 1 845.616 848.736 845.64 848.66 So , should we give it a six ? Six ? 846.11 848.12 848.66 ES2006d C FEE021 2 847.137 848.422 847.61 848.12 Six . 848.12 ES2006d D FEO023 3 849.344 864.672 849.36 864.64 Um uh the ergonom ergonomic design well mm I mean I d uh I dunno , I mean the the repetitive stress things , but then who would be really pushing the buttons so much on the on the remote control anyway , yeah ? See . 855.61 857.96 863.95 864.33 864.64 ES2006d C FEE021 2 851.982 852.753 852.22 852.39 Yeah . 852.39 ES2006d A MEO022 0 854.408 855.28 854.408 855.28 . 855.28 ES2006d A MEO022 0 863.118 866.4 863.33 866.33 Yeah . Yeah , unless you are a all the time sitting . 864.08 864.28 866.33 ES2006d D FEO023 3 866.976 868.864 867.0 868.864 Yeah , so it's kinda 867.65 ES2006d A MEO022 0 867.408 868.288 867.43 867.81 Yeah . 867.81 ES2006d C FEE021 2 869.344 870.948 869.36 870.948 Well we've banned them from - ES2006d A MEO022 0 869.52 871.4 869.54 871.3 Yeah , I I think it is ergonomic . 869.86 871.3 ES2006d B FEE024 1 869.707 876.176 869.75 876.14 I used to send fifty texts a day , you know , and I never got repetitive strain injury from that , so I find it quite hard to believe to be honest . 871.59 871.84 873.98 876.14 ES2006d A MEO022 0 873.484 874.379 873.6 874.11 Mm yeah . 874.11 ES2006d C FEE021 2 876.096 876.655 876.12 876.42 Yeah . 876.42 ES2006d A MEO022 0 876.32 883.03 876.35 882.66 And moreover it it has um L_C_D_ and everything , so that uh you know uh we minimise the pressing of the buttons anyway . 879.26 882.66 ES2006d D FEO023 3 879.584 880.16 879.6 880.07 Yeah . 880.07 ES2006d C FEE021 2 880.176 882.038 880.2 881.64 Yeah , it's varied . 880.72 881.64 ES2006d C FEE021 2 882.315 884.122 882.4 883.94 Yeah . Six ? 883.27 883.94 ES2006d B FEE024 1 882.544 886.832 882.56 886.31 Okay , so we give that a six , yeah . Okay , F_ . 883.01 884.16 885.48 886.1 886.31 ES2006d D FEO023 3 887.488 889.792 887.488 889.75 Yeah , it does have yeah . 888.49 889.75 ES2006d A MEO022 0 888.303 890.544 888.303 890.44 Absolutely . 890.44 ES2006d C FEE021 2 888.432 890.144 888.45 890.02 Voice control have seven . 890.02 ES2006d B FEE024 1 890.464 895.223 890.48 895.223 Hang on , how come it's showing up with the things there but it only had bullet points there ? That's just 890.75 894.01 ES2006d C FEE021 2 894.176 900.784 894.2 900.74 Ah , that's the second one . So you must have changed it on this one where it's got score , but not on the previous slide . 894.42 895.97 898.96 900.74 ES2006d B FEE024 1 900.8 906.056 901.13 905.97 Oh okay , cool . Um right , so . 901.89 902.86 905.5 905.97 ES2006d A MEO022 0 905.477 906.88 905.54 906.83 So it has voice control . 906.83 ES2006d B FEE024 1 906.912 910.601 906.93 910.28 Yes , so that's a seven then . Um , cool . 907.24 909.24 909.98 910.28 ES2006d A MEO022 0 908.272 908.871 908.42 908.84 Yep . 908.84 ES2006d C FEE021 2 909.76 913.232 909.86 913.2 G_ technologically innovative . 913.2 ES2006d A MEO022 0 911.28 917.36 911.3 917.36 Anyway it ha yeah , it's the most sophisticated remote that I ever seen . 913.16 917.22 ES2006d D FEO023 3 911.339 913.104 911.44 913.104 Technologi well - ES2006d C FEE021 2 916.096 922.336 916.096 921.9 But in terms of the actual technology , none of it is actually new . 919.7 921.9 ES2006d D FEO023 3 916.217 917.159 916.4 917.06 Yeah . 917.06 ES2006d D FEO023 3 920.624 926.671 920.95 926.51 Well mm we have we have the sample speaker as well , which is yeah , it's kind of new . 924.16 925.67 926.51 ES2006d C FEE021 2 924.16 924.752 924.18 924.72 Yeah . 924.72 ES2006d B FEE024 1 925.312 927.741 925.4 927.741 Yeah , but I mean you don't 925.96 ES2006d C FEE021 2 927.072 934.013 927.09 933.82 All of the components have been used in other things before . But do yeah , yeah . 931.51 933.53 933.82 ES2006d D FEO023 3 930.304 933.392 930.32 933.28 But at the same time they are all they are all relatively new . 933.28 ES2006d A MEO022 0 930.11 933.012 930.35 932.29 Yeah , but they've been brought together in a remote . 930.51 932.29 ES2006d B FEE024 1 930.304 936.448 931.03 936.36 They're never been used i they've never been using remote remote control before I don't think . 936.36 ES2006d C FEE021 2 936.64 939.616 936.68 939.58 Yeah . What do you reckon , five , six ? 938.11 938.81 939.11 939.58 ES2006d B FEE024 1 937.276 938.418 937.276 938.418 . 938.418 ES2006d B FEE024 1 939.824 942.96 939.84 942.65 Yeah , what do you all think ? Six ? 940.6 942.01 942.65 ES2006d D FEO023 3 941.141 941.904 941.3 941.87 Six . 941.87 ES2006d A MEO022 0 942.497 942.985 942.497 942.89 Yeah . 942.89 ES2006d D FEO023 3 942.944 948.704 942.96 948.66 I mean how how far can you go with a remote control , really ? It still has to do what i what it has to do . 945.4 946.31 948.66 ES2006d C FEE021 2 945.054 948.992 945.054 948.96 Yeah . 948.96 ES2006d B FEE024 1 945.904 947.433 945.92 947.433 Well , that's it , I mean 946.06 946.54 ES2006d B FEE024 1 949.44 956.608 949.46 956.53 Yeah , but I mean everything has been used in space before it gets to anyone else really , hasn't it ? So , I don't think many peop 949.68 954.0 954.44 954.64 ES2006d C FEE021 2 955.967 958.053 956.21 957.72 Space remote . 957.72 ES2006d B FEE024 1 957.616 959.584 958.0 959.38 That's it , they can take it with them . 958.56 959.38 ES2006d C FEE021 2 959.376 961.855 959.5 961.74 Put fashion in electronics . 961.74 ES2006d A MEO022 0 961.314 967.895 961.314 967.895 Absolutely . The carrot banana remote . 963.95 967.51 ES2006d D FEO023 3 961.656 964.289 961.83 964.1 Yeah , isn't it fashionable ? Yeah , sure . 962.1 963.52 963.7 964.1 ES2006d D FEO023 3 965.296 971.408 965.32 970.9 It's the maximum fashion . Fruit fruit and vegetables are fashionable these days , so . 967.23 970.5 970.9 ES2006d B FEE024 1 966.311 968.642 966.4 968.642 So , we give it seven , and we write 966.79 967.53 ES2006d B FEE024 1 973.68 974.544 973.7 973.99 There we go . 973.99 ES2006d D FEO023 3 975.008 977.408 975.41 977.408 So I think we've done very well , but 977.08 ES2006d A MEO022 0 975.538 977.269 975.73 977.07 I think that's a . 977.07 ES2006d B FEE024 1 977.664 981.568 977.8 981.568 Cool . So , we need the average here , so we got 978.91 979.24 980.33 ES2006d C FEE021 2 977.702 979.623 977.83 979.26 Very good . 979.26 ES2006d D FEO023 3 977.877 979.6 977.877 979.37 What's the assessment ? 979.37 ES2006d A MEO022 0 978.225 978.69 978.27 978.53 Yeah . 978.53 ES2006d D FEO023 3 981.296 985.888 981.79 985.83 The average is about six and something . A little bit over six . 984.51 985.83 ES2006d C FEE021 2 984.064 985.991 984.064 985.85 Yeah , one . 985.19 985.85 ES2006d B FEE024 1 986.989 987.84 987.24 987.84 Seven - ES2006d C FEE021 2 987.52 988.681 987.55 988.38 Or a seven . 988.38 ES2006d A MEO022 0 987.76 991.712 987.76 991.67 There are how many sixes ? One , two , three . Three . 989.08 989.48 990.11 991.35 991.67 ES2006d D FEO023 3 988.688 991.639 988.71 991.39 No , wait , a little bit under six . No , wait . 988.91 989.37 990.92 991.04 991.39 ES2006d B FEE024 1 988.698 995.84 988.74 995.8 So we've got four sevens , so that's twenty eight , three sixes , eighteen . 990.2 992.67 994.96 995.8 ES2006d A MEO022 0 994.0 995.057 994.02 994.85 And one five . 994.85 ES2006d D FEO023 3 996.256 997.792 996.29 997.73 Oh , three sixes , okay , yeah . 996.44 997.06 997.48 997.73 ES2006d C FEE021 2 996.833 1001.552 996.833 1001.5 Fifty one , one , two , three , four , five , six , seven , eight . 998.57 998.94 999.24 999.65 999.96 1000.31 1000.66 1001.3 1001.5 ES2006d A MEO022 0 997.305 1005.46 997.46 1005.46 Okay , twenty eight , thirty eight , fo forty six . Forty six and five , fifty one . Fifty one divided by 997.86 998.42 999.2 1001.73 1002.82 1003.43 ES2006d D FEO023 3 999.587 1000.898 999.587 1000.86 Four sevens . 1000.86 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1002.768 1008.256 1002.8 1008.11 Six point point about six point five . Close enough . 1007.45 1008.11 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1003.715 1005.392 1004.02 1005.33 Six point something , yeah . 1005.06 1005.33 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1005.23 1006.848 1005.55 1006.848 Two three four - ES2006d D FEO023 3 1006.139 1008.736 1006.139 1008.7 Six point five , yeah . 1008.41 1008.7 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1007.152 1008.274 1007.42 1008.01 Seven eight . 1008.01 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1009.472 1011.816 1009.52 1011.62 Okay , that's pretty good , I think . 1010.3 1011.02 1011.62 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1011.76 1017.185 1012.7 1017.05 Now wait until we get to finance and then we'll see if we can afford it . 1017.05 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1018.496 1022.184 1018.52 1022.08 That's all you've got at the moment , or did you have anything more ? 1020.25 1022.08 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1022.0 1024.784 1022.43 1024.69 Um no , that's it , yeah . 1023.76 1024.34 1024.69 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1023.808 1027.168 1023.83 1027.11 That's it ? Alright . So , finance . 1024.7 1025.76 1026.24 1027.11 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1028.32 1030.112 1028.34 1029.9 And we'll see if we can - ES2006d C FEE021 2 1035.072 1036.367 1035.09 1036.31 unscrew this first . 1036.31 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1041.776 1043.602 1041.8 1043.46 Cool , there we go . 1042.54 1043.46 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1041.719 1043.744 1041.94 1043.744 Sorry , this is I'm just um 1042.42 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1044.135 1045.264 1044.135 1045.264 . 1045.264 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1052.752 1053.92 1052.77 1053.86 There we go and there are the marks . 1053.86 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1056.24 1059.565 1056.3 1059.46 Beautiful . Not anymore . 1058.26 1059.46 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1057.44 1057.794 1057.46 1057.64 Yeah . 1057.64 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1072.961 1074.57 1073.47 1074.41 Computer no signal ? 1074.41 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1081.504 1084.352 1081.57 1084.29 Mm I guess it'll have to wait for a bit . 1084.29 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1095.504 1096.592 1095.64 1096.46 Adjusting . 1096.46 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1099.817 1101.601 1100.16 1101.32 There we go . 1101.32 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1104.752 1108.8 1104.93 1108.67 Okay , so we've looked at the prototype presentation and the evaluation criteria . 1105.27 1108.67 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1109.984 1119.12 1110.0 1119.04 And now we have to calculate the production costs . So I've got an Excel spreadsheet to help us do that . 1115.02 1119.04 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1121.024 1123.566 1121.04 1123.42 Can you read that ? Almost . 1122.65 1123.42 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1126.896 1144.182 1126.92 1144.14 More or less . Um I started filling it in , but of course these are provisional , so we have to go down . No hand dynamo , right ? One simple battery . No kinetic energy , no solar . 1128.67 1131.83 1134.34 1136.15 1137.33 1138.31 1140.46 1143.16 1144.14 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1137.792 1138.288 1137.81 1138.25 Yeah . 1138.25 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1138.208 1138.796 1138.208 1138.76 Yeah . 1138.76 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1138.932 1139.629 1139.0 1139.59 Mm . 1139.59 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1145.088 1152.24 1145.11 1152.2 The chip , we're going for an advanced chip on print . We also said the sample sensor and sample speaker . 1145.59 1149.11 1152.2 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1147.066 1148.45 1147.18 1148.1 Advanced , yeah . 1147.84 1148.1 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1152.16 1152.584 1152.18 1152.45 Yep . 1152.45 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1153.712 1158.233 1153.73 1158.12 Um single-curved surface , so that we can fold it . 1156.78 1158.12 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1156.976 1158.436 1157.0 1158.37 Yeah , yes . 1157.84 1158.37 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1159.648 1164.609 1159.67 1164.55 Case material we said rubber . I don't know what special colour means . 1162.3 1164.55 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1161.328 1161.856 1161.35 1161.76 Rubber . 1161.76 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1161.94 1162.344 1162.03 1162.19 Yep . 1162.19 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1165.108 1170.496 1165.38 1170.41 Mm anything uh I think which is not more . 1170.41 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1168.725 1173.664 1168.94 1173.6 I think something coloured , yeah , probably . So I think this is probably special co no ? 1169.93 1170.18 1171.02 1173.6 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1172.702 1173.689 1172.81 1173.689 It could be - ES2006d A MEO022 0 1172.801 1173.648 1172.83 1173.22 Yeah . 1173.22 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1173.568 1176.356 1173.59 1176.12 Yeah , but rubber comes coloured , doesn't it ? You know . 1173.73 1175.0 1175.47 1176.12 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1174.88 1181.293 1174.9 1180.79 Rub rubber comes coloured , it's I would maybe it's like if you want titanium coloured or wood coloured , it's different . 1176.16 1180.03 1180.79 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1175.488 1176.164 1175.51 1176.07 Yeah . 1176.07 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1179.568 1183.797 1179.59 1183.69 Or maybe maybe if you want some kind of pattern thing on it , yeah yeah , okay . 1182.58 1183.32 1183.69 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1182.384 1184.608 1182.4 1184.608 Yeah , let's leave it as zero , 'cause it's easy . 1182.65 1183.61 1184.56 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1184.656 1185.155 1184.68 1184.99 Yeah . 1184.99 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1184.744 1187.472 1184.86 1187.28 Yeah , you might end up having to take off the 1185.24 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1186.832 1191.948 1186.85 1191.89 We we're definitely going to have to so we've got pushbutton , and then we've 1190.48 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1188.224 1189.909 1188.24 1189.5 We have pushbuttons , 1189.5 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1189.075 1189.552 1189.1 1189.26 Mm . 1189.26 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1189.042 1190.574 1189.14 1190.19 sample sensor . 1190.19 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1191.145 1193.376 1191.41 1193.33 scro we have scroll wheel as well . 1193.33 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1193.563 1198.42 1193.67 1197.58 Scroll wheel with pushbutton we had , no ? S for the muting . 1196.02 1196.74 1197.58 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1196.869 1202.458 1197.01 1202.29 S yeah , yeah , we had , for muting , yeah . And we have L_C_ display and yeah . 1197.82 1197.99 1198.42 1198.99 1199.81 1202.29 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1196.981 1199.466 1197.03 1199.31 No uh we we have uh yeah . 1199.31 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1199.504 1199.856 1199.53 1199.82 Yeah . 1199.82 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1201.952 1204.992 1201.97 1204.95 And button supplements . 1204.95 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1205.892 1206.968 1206.1 1206.968 Um - ES2006d A MEO022 0 1206.553 1208.177 1206.57 1207.75 Mm no . 1207.75 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1206.841 1207.699 1206.841 1207.699 . 1207.699 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1209.024 1209.481 1209.08 1209.3 No . 1209.3 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1209.408 1212.096 1209.69 1211.61 We don't have we're not using any of that . 1211.61 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1209.564 1210.473 1209.84 1210.37 No . 1210.37 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1210.987 1211.824 1211.13 1211.36 No ? 1211.36 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1211.264 1217.723 1211.28 1217.723 Yeah , but what do we ha we have L_C_ display , but but the wh but the s spinning wheel 1211.46 1213.64 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1214.976 1222.224 1215.34 1222.07 But the the spinning wheel's not there . I have think maybe it's integrated with the L_C_ display ? 1217.88 1222.07 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1219.168 1219.669 1219.19 1219.6 Yeah . 1219.6 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1222.24 1224.513 1222.26 1224.06 Okay , let's yeah . 1222.58 1224.06 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1222.268 1224.557 1222.29 1224.46 We've got more than one pushbutton though , haven't we ? 1223.79 1224.46 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1225.344 1227.968 1225.36 1227.91 I think the pushbutton oh . 1227.91 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1228.8 1229.647 1228.82 1229.647 'Cause then you have - ES2006d C FEE021 2 1229.648 1231.244 1229.67 1231.244 I don't know if that's one - ES2006d B FEE024 1 1230.454 1235.697 1230.51 1235.56 That means you can only have twenty five push buttons in total doesn't it ? Not counting anything , we'd still be in budget . 1233.47 1234.49 1235.56 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1234.64 1235.266 1234.66 1235.23 Yeah . 1235.23 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1236.192 1237.376 1236.21 1237.34 That seems unlikely . 1237.34 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1239.088 1249.043 1239.11 1248.99 Push what uh whether whether pushbutton means that p count by button or do we I don't think that makes sense . 1248.99 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1239.216 1241.948 1239.44 1241.88 Huh ? Wh wh what is the limit ? Uh . 1239.63 1241.54 1241.88 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1241.68 1242.658 1241.7 1242.6 Twelve point five . 1242.6 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1244.464 1246.363 1244.48 1246.27 We have to count all of them , or yeah . 1245.62 1246.27 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1246.441 1265.792 1246.63 1265.74 Mm I don't think so , no . No it says what what is the kind of interface , if it is pushbutton then you got a zero point five , it's a scroll wheel so we we've put it's pushbutton and scroll wheel and L_C_D_ display , so that's that's the three kind of interfaces that we have . 1248.58 1249.87 1252.58 1255.55 1262.65 1265.74 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1249.328 1251.648 1249.35 1251.648 No . Well it doesn't , but it uh 1249.74 1250.38 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1251.043 1251.772 1251.28 1251.48 No . 1251.48 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1258.823 1259.561 1258.99 1259.28 Yeah . 1259.28 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1260.77 1262.714 1260.79 1262.22 And L_C_ display . 1262.22 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1260.768 1261.366 1260.79 1261.22 Yeah . 1261.22 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1262.224 1262.72 1262.24 1262.6 Yeah . 1262.6 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1265.072 1266.032 1265.09 1265.99 Yeah . 1265.99 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1267.625 1271.552 1267.65 1271.52 So , as we can see , that's way too expensive down here . 1268.27 1269.08 1271.52 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1270.793 1273.511 1270.793 1273.32 Wh wh what's our criteria ? 1273.32 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1271.811 1274.598 1272.0 1274.41 This sample sensor . 1274.41 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1272.649 1275.831 1272.86 1275.68 Our budget's twelve point five . 1275.68 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1275.44 1276.288 1275.47 1276.1 Uh okay . 1276.1 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1275.776 1279.491 1275.8 1279.45 Yeah , the sample sensor will have to go , 'cause that's the most expensive thing on there . 1276.18 1277.78 1279.45 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1278.976 1285.392 1279.0 1285.27 Yeah , so that has implications though for the . 1279.89 1285.27 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1284.279 1292.896 1284.33 1292.86 Uh it does not have for voice recognition , but it does have for the feedback speaker . when you say when you press one it says one or it says hello . 1286.45 1289.48 1292.86 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1289.306 1290.443 1289.72 1290.28 Yeah . 1290.28 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1290.746 1292.372 1290.93 1292.02 For the locator . 1292.02 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1292.672 1296.571 1292.69 1296.44 But that's a bit of a gimmick anyway really , isn't it ? We can afford to get rid of it . 1294.45 1294.87 1296.44 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1294.272 1294.964 1294.29 1294.8 Yeah . 1294.8 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1294.528 1297.088 1294.55 1297.03 Mm and the locator also goes away . 1297.03 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1297.008 1305.564 1297.03 1305.52 But it was very no innovative innovativeness . Well um yeah . 1301.76 1305.52 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1299.364 1300.087 1299.4 1299.84 Yeah . 1299.84 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1300.608 1302.785 1300.63 1302.69 So that means no locator , does it ? 1302.3 1302.69 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1306.368 1307.241 1306.39 1307.241 I mean does - ES2006d C FEE021 2 1306.656 1308.288 1306.69 1308.12 What else does it need ? 1308.12 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1307.04 1314.864 1307.06 1314.83 Well the speaker uh the sample speaker is is expensive , but we could just have some some very very easy device that just beeps . 1310.68 1314.83 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1314.864 1319.701 1314.93 1319.17 Yeah , 'cause the sample speaker was , I think , more complicated then just a beeping thing . 1315.33 1316.6 1317.07 1319.17 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1315.71 1316.675 1315.81 1316.675 This would be - ES2006d D FEO023 3 1317.984 1322.762 1318.0 1322.762 Yeah , yeah yeah there you record your samples your speech samples and 1318.43 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1318.559 1319.264 1318.68 1319.23 Yeah . 1319.23 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1321.376 1322.052 1321.46 1321.96 Yeah . 1321.96 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1321.435 1323.414 1321.46 1323.414 Yeah , okay , so we 1322.24 1322.6 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1321.464 1333.84 1322.31 1333.72 A also i in the case I'm not sure that you will evaluate this as a curved surface , because it's just rubber , so it's probably a flat surface rubber . Uh I mean uh um yeah . 1327.77 1329.07 1331.28 1333.72 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1332.08 1332.448 1332.1 1332.41 Uh-huh . 1332.41 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1332.545 1333.835 1332.79 1333.69 Okay , yeah . 1333.25 1333.69 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1338.661 1340.534 1338.71 1340.5 Right , so we need one fifty off . 1338.98 1340.5 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1338.656 1340.096 1338.74 1340.096 Um - ES2006d B FEE024 1 1341.648 1346.256 1341.67 1346.256 See , I was gonna say the scroll wheel pushbutton thing , 'cause 1342.04 1345.73 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1346.336 1348.451 1346.36 1348.27 Take it down to just a scroll wheel . 1348.27 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1349.564 1351.107 1349.564 1351.107 We could do - ES2006d A MEO022 0 1350.576 1361.996 1350.6 1361.92 So tha that mean that we cannot press how do we how do we make a selection in uh in the L_C_D_ ? If in the L_C_D_ we can scroll , right ? But how do we make a selection if we d cannot push the button . 1356.95 1358.79 1359.03 1361.92 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1352.752 1354.928 1352.77 1354.62 Yeah , then then we would be in the b budget . 1352.95 1354.62 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1360.64 1368.037 1360.66 1367.87 Yeah b no no , you can push this one , but we don't have a pushbutton uh we ca we don't have this muting mechanism for this scrolling thing . 1361.66 1362.63 1367.87 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1367.264 1370.917 1367.28 1370.26 But that's well you would just have to to spin it down . 1370.26 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1367.21 1368.043 1367.36 1367.93 Yeah . 1367.93 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1369.486 1373.811 1369.6 1373.73 You can have to scroll it straight r roll it straight down for for mute . 1373.73 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1372.912 1373.698 1372.93 1373.49 Mm-hmm . 1373.49 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1374.112 1375.83 1374.16 1375.65 So that's point three . 1375.65 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1374.186 1381.008 1374.26 1380.9 No w w w but ha it's it's the scroll wheel and I thought we were referring to this as a scroll spinning wheel and pushbutton thing . 1380.9 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1381.12 1385.312 1381.17 1385.25 But I mean we can put an additional mute button on the top as well . 1385.25 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1386.251 1386.781 1386.27 1386.781 If you - ES2006d B FEE024 1 1386.297 1392.424 1386.67 1392.424 Yeah , I mean that wouldn't actually cost any more . That's the spin wheel though , isn't it ? Didn't that come with the L_C_ 1387.44 1389.24 1390.35 1390.7 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1392.224 1394.112 1392.24 1394.07 That's with the L_C_ - ES2006d A MEO022 0 1393.232 1394.903 1393.46 1394.86 That comes with the L_C_D_ ? 1394.86 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1394.736 1395.296 1394.79 1395.26 Yeah . 1395.26 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1395.216 1397.44 1395.24 1397.12 We decided , 'cause it's not on our list . 1395.86 1397.12 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1397.21 1398.002 1397.34 1397.71 Yeah . 1397.71 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1397.456 1399.728 1397.48 1399.728 Oh so so the the this is - ES2006d D FEO023 3 1397.579 1398.185 1397.91 1398.1 Mm . 1398.1 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1399.664 1401.92 1399.68 1401.77 The scroll wheel is on the side . 1401.77 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1402.265 1409.264 1402.265 1409.12 . So we're adding costs for right , okay uh I mean I think this is good . 1402.265 1406.48 1409.12 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1409.36 1409.953 1409.44 1409.953 So - ES2006d B FEE024 1 1409.577 1411.811 1409.6 1411.67 S so we're point three over . 1411.67 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1411.07 1413.424 1411.13 1413.33 We're point three over at the moment . 1413.33 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1414.587 1415.84 1414.69 1415.56 It's nothing n - ES2006d B FEE024 1 1415.044 1419.292 1415.07 1419.08 Unless we just take off the scroll wheel altogether and just have pushbuttons for the volume . 1419.08 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1420.128 1421.792 1420.15 1421.71 Could b still put them on the side . 1421.71 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1423.92 1426.887 1423.94 1426.887 But yeah . I mean the scroll wheel's pretty cool , but 1424.67 1426.32 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1424.128 1425.649 1424.15 1425.649 Yeah , I have 1424.93 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1427.898 1434.672 1427.92 1434.59 Instead of scrolling here we have two buttons here , up for up and down . On the side . Mm uh it sounds good actually , yeah . 1430.14 1432.23 1432.75 1434.09 1434.59 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1430.08 1430.687 1430.1 1430.65 Yeah . 1430.65 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1431.728 1432.325 1431.75 1432.21 Mm-hmm . 1432.21 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1432.032 1432.542 1432.05 1432.46 Yeah . 1432.46 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1432.54 1433.247 1432.65 1433.1 Yeah . 1433.1 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1433.179 1434.56 1433.25 1434.5 Okay , yeah . 1434.13 1434.5 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1434.592 1437.392 1434.61 1437.36 Rather than having three different things that people have to do . 1437.36 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1435.544 1439.424 1435.544 1439.424 . 1439.424 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1438.325 1438.964 1438.35 1438.74 Okay . 1438.74 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1439.344 1443.722 1439.36 1443.6 There we go . Oh look , we're way under budget and we'll make huge profits and we'll all get bonuses . 1439.86 1440.2 1443.6 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1444.176 1448.896 1444.2 1448.896 Yeah , well we could admit to the single curve , couldn't we ? 1444.29 1446.35 1448.62 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1447.087 1452.672 1447.087 1452.59 Or or that we have to have some sort of special colour . 1452.59 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1453.71 1456.055 1453.94 1456.055 Yeah , but 1455.31 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1455.18 1476.048 1455.3 1476.01 So that's alright . We we'll leave it at that and then I'll take I can send it back to management and say we weren't quite sure about the colour , if that costs extra then we've still got some space for it , yeah . Excellent . Alright . So did we lose um on our evaluation criteria , as a result of doing that ? 1456.0 1461.99 1465.1 1466.21 1468.09 1469.34 1474.41 1476.01 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1457.424 1458.016 1457.44 1457.87 Yeah . 1457.87 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1464.036 1465.632 1464.036 1464.92 We have , yeah . 1464.62 1464.92 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1464.608 1465.153 1464.63 1464.98 Yeah . 1464.98 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1465.152 1465.625 1465.17 1465.57 Yeah . 1465.57 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1475.168 1477.656 1475.25 1477.18 No . No , I don't think so . 1476.24 1476.41 1477.18 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1476.213 1488.752 1476.45 1488.41 Not really , no . Because we keep all the features , we keep voice recognition , we keep L_C_D_ display . We instead of having scrolling we we just push the buttons . Um yeah . 1477.25 1478.35 1479.71 1481.12 1483.16 1486.56 1488.41 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1481.8 1482.111 1481.83 1482.02 Mm . 1482.02 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1482.928 1483.623 1482.95 1483.42 Yeah . 1483.42 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1483.067 1483.839 1483.21 1483.68 Yeah . 1483.68 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1484.912 1493.92 1484.93 1493.33 We just got rid of a gimmick that was never anyway , and the scroll wheel is I mean essentially the two buttons that was it's not a great difference I don't think . 1487.92 1493.33 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1486.496 1486.983 1486.52 1486.89 Yeah . 1486.89 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1492.896 1495.847 1492.92 1495.62 Yeah . Alright then . 1494.94 1495.62 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1492.859 1493.664 1493.05 1493.33 Yeah . 1493.33 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1495.077 1497.147 1495.077 1497.07 But we lose the locator . 1497.07 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1497.696 1506.597 1497.696 1506.48 Well we're going to have a beeping thing . But yeah , it's it's not like sample speaker , but it will just beep , so we still have the locate . 1501.51 1501.98 1503.55 1505.12 1506.48 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1497.952 1498.816 1497.97 1498.47 Really ? 1498.47 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1498.144 1499.436 1498.16 1499.1 We're gonna have a beep . 1499.1 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1500.557 1502.447 1500.74 1502.29 So instead of speaker , . 1502.29 1502.29 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1501.731 1502.49 1501.91 1502.38 Yeah . 1502.38 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1506.544 1507.264 1506.56 1507.18 Yeah . 1507.18 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1507.469 1509.026 1507.49 1509.026 'Kay . 1508.95 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1508.256 1508.576 1508.35 1508.54 Cool . 1508.54 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1510.604 1516.125 1510.64 1516.125 That's not a very exciting colour . I think you should make it more vegetable-like . 1512.39 1516.07 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1514.688 1515.952 1514.688 1515.92 Tha - ES2006d D FEO023 3 1515.408 1518.368 1515.43 1518.368 Which colour , the the colour of the phone or the colour of the 1516.01 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1518.512 1520.131 1518.53 1519.96 Oh the the beeper thing . 1519.96 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1520.304 1520.967 1520.304 1520.967 . 1520.967 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1521.104 1526.519 1521.12 1526.19 But it can be yellow as well . It can come in the same colour as the the case . 1522.53 1526.19 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1520.896 1521.609 1521.17 1521.609 It - ES2006d C FEE021 2 1525.392 1529.709 1525.41 1529.57 'Cause we we won't have run out of our pot of Play-Doh . 1529.57 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1528.592 1530.18 1528.61 1530.15 Yeah , I think Jen wants it to vibrate . 1528.77 1530.15 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1530.526 1538.928 1530.526 1538.88 Yeah , I know I know , my pen vibrates . But only for a very short time . Um 1533.53 1534.41 1535.87 1538.12 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1531.312 1535.664 1531.69 1535.664 You know , your pen vibrates ? Yeah . 1531.88 1534.02 1535.28 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1540.144 1541.328 1540.17 1541.25 okay . 1541.25 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1542.816 1543.376 1542.87 1543.32 So - ES2006d C FEE021 2 1544.384 1546.624 1544.4 1546.56 looks like we've designed a - ES2006d C FEE021 2 1548.016 1569.76 1548.08 1569.71 banana . Well done , team . Um we need we've just got about ten minutes or so left of the meeting , so it would be good if we could just have a little talk about the project itself and how it went , um so that we can feed back to the management for next time they're designing a product . 1549.79 1550.47 1552.41 1556.68 1563.57 1569.71 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1571.59 1574.115 1571.59 1574.115 I think it mm - ES2006d B FEE024 1 1571.792 1572.32 1571.81 1572.18 Cool . 1572.18 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1572.538 1574.07 1572.95 1573.94 Feedback ? Ideas ? 1573.38 1573.94 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1574.336 1586.576 1574.7 1586.39 Yeah mm , as far as creativity is concerned , yeah I think there was there was room for creativity . The only the only problem being that at the end we had to cut some things down because of the the budget we had . 1575.64 1577.21 1580.21 1586.39 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1583.953 1585.139 1584.32 1584.67 Mm-hmm . 1584.67 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1587.248 1599.2 1587.28 1599.2 I think uh n one thing that was lacking uh was that we did not know what the various things cost to begin with . Um we kap kept a adding things randomly . So , had we known 1594.33 1597.67 1598.1 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1593.744 1594.663 1593.78 1594.56 Mm-hmm . 1594.56 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1594.0 1594.665 1594.02 1594.63 Yeah . 1594.63 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1597.376 1597.664 1597.4 1597.62 Yeah . 1597.62 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1598.032 1605.088 1598.05 1604.69 If we'd had that sheet at the beginning should've been like , okay , so we can have that lot , let's just throw it together and do what we can . 1600.59 1600.95 1602.54 1604.69 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1600.384 1603.354 1600.384 1603.29 Yeah , that or not , yeah . 1601.91 1602.8 1603.29 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1602.08 1602.651 1602.1 1602.51 Mm-hmm . 1602.51 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1602.736 1604.256 1602.76 1604.19 Yeah , yeah , yeah . 1603.28 1603.85 1604.19 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1603.819 1609.408 1604.03 1609.31 Yeah . So d all the random decisions at the end could have been prevented . 1604.83 1609.31 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1608.576 1609.469 1608.67 1609.13 Yeah . 1609.13 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1610.672 1612.69 1611.3 1612.69 Mm . 1612.48 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1612.64 1622.147 1612.66 1622.04 But in terms of the process of um going and working individually and then coming back to a meeting , that that worked in terms of . 1618.98 1622.04 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1619.84 1621.328 1619.97 1621.29 Yeah , mm . 1620.82 1621.29 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1620.96 1643.36 1621.01 1642.92 I think 'cause the meetings were so regular , you know . It wasn't like we were alone for very long , so you didn't st go off and think , wouldn't it be great to have a vibrating remote control shaped like a banana , and then , you know , come back three days later and Jen's going look , look , it vibrates and it looks like a banana . Um yeah , so yeah . 1622.86 1623.19 1624.91 1627.84 1634.05 1634.5 1634.86 1637.49 1637.76 1641.19 1642.51 1642.92 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1622.972 1623.872 1623.12 1623.59 Mm-hmm . 1623.59 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1628.947 1634.128 1629.05 1634.128 Mm-hmm . Banana . 1630.67 1633.94 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1636.4 1640.432 1636.42 1640.432 Yeah . 1640.2 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1644.832 1647.952 1644.85 1647.89 Yeah , the m the means were very very good , the means we used . 1645.03 1646.95 1647.89 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1648.048 1654.848 1648.12 1654.848 Mm-hmm , the whiteboard digital pens . We like the pens . 1648.59 1652.34 1654.58 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1650.096 1652.368 1650.12 1652.368 And the pens . 1652.18 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1652.288 1657.094 1652.32 1656.94 Uh I like the pens . I want one . That would just be so cool , to d do all your notes and s 1653.61 1654.29 1655.37 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1656.594 1662.576 1656.76 1662.52 Yeah , you could take it to lectures and just write stuff down and have it printed out when you got back to the office . They great ? 1656.96 1661.94 1662.52 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1659.344 1666.576 1659.36 1666.576 Yeah yeah yeah , that's it's it's I wonder what one of these costs . 1661.27 1666.35 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1660.576 1661.488 1660.6 1661.45 Yeah , yeah . 1661.11 1661.45 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1664.208 1665.987 1664.23 1665.73 Do you think they'd notice if one went ? 1665.73 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1666.736 1676.324 1666.736 1676.26 I don't think you should say that was the recording . Okay , cover up the microphone . Alright , let's take it . Okay . 1670.74 1670.9 1671.92 1672.12 1675.68 1676.26 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1670.032 1670.704 1670.1 1670.66 Oh okay . 1670.66 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1671.719 1688.268 1672.0 1688.13 Yep . Shh . Yep . But that worked well having having a whiteboard that we could draw on as well as having the PowerPoint , 'cause the I find that the problem with PowerPoint often is that it's so static and you can't change it once you're in there , yep . 1672.36 1675.12 1675.77 1680.64 1687.68 1688.13 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1685.357 1687.754 1685.55 1687.64 It is a bit limiting , isn't it ? Yeah . 1686.78 1687.25 1687.64 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1686.16 1686.775 1686.18 1686.58 Yeah . 1686.58 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1686.329 1687.28 1686.45 1686.93 Yeah . 1686.93 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1687.76 1692.493 1687.78 1692.493 Yeah , and and and this time also the time limits but actually preparing the 1688.04 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1690.264 1691.115 1690.28 1691.0 Yeah . 1691.0 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1692.804 1698.368 1692.82 1698.33 The thing flew in , you didn't have the whole whooshing thing , 'cause there wasn't time for that , so yeah . 1693.9 1696.19 1697.32 1698.33 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1692.768 1693.424 1692.85 1693.35 Mm-hmm . 1693.35 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1695.991 1696.858 1696.01 1696.78 Yeah . 1696.78 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1697.52 1701.792 1697.55 1701.76 Yeah . That's alright , that always irritates me anyway , yeah . 1698.55 1699.08 1701.48 1701.76 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1699.923 1703.571 1699.94 1703.571 Not that you can do that on the board , either . We could make some little 1701.33 1701.85 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1702.752 1707.776 1702.79 1707.74 But yeah , but I mean already just just preparing the slides before before the meeting , yeah . 1703.1 1707.48 1707.74 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1706.144 1718.696 1706.29 1718.57 Yeah , totally , I mean that was fairly tight anyway , I mean especially with that last-minute alteration . back it , this is just had to be changed . And yeah , so cool . 1706.62 1707.03 1708.96 1712.68 1714.08 1716.36 1717.71 1718.57 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1708.592 1709.201 1708.61 1709.01 Mm . 1709.01 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1711.248 1712.32 1711.27 1712.32 Yeah . 1712.0 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1711.32 1712.233 1711.48 1712.11 Yeah . 1712.11 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1712.151 1714.16 1712.18 1714.16 Mm yeah . 1713.87 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1719.024 1719.632 1719.04 1719.46 Yeah . 1719.46 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1720.256 1722.133 1720.28 1722.05 Are we supposed to say nice things about Jen now ? 1722.05 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1722.192 1725.602 1722.24 1725.53 And presumably you don't you can say nasty things as well . 1725.53 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1725.824 1730.416 1725.84 1730.38 Yeah . I was I was satisfied with with the leadership , yeah . 1726.84 1730.14 1730.38 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1726.9 1728.833 1727.25 1728.77 I have no stake in it . 1728.77 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1728.768 1733.28 1728.8 1733.15 Yeah , definitely . You weren't like a a dictating leader , so that was always good . 1729.36 1730.0 1732.0 1733.15 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1729.584 1730.62 1729.88 1730.41 Yeah . 1730.41 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1734.944 1739.172 1734.96 1739.1 You have to say that , 'cause I'm taking the notes . I'll leave the room and you can have another go . 1735.73 1737.29 1739.1 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1736.931 1737.617 1737.18 1737.51 Mm-hmm . 1737.51 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1738.368 1743.056 1738.39 1743.056 I know you've got the pen , you might attack me with it . 1739.26 1742.9 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1739.732 1742.992 1739.732 1742.96 Better than that than the banana . 1742.96 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1741.776 1746.186 1741.8 1746.08 And then the teamwork I think I think it worked quite quite nicely , yeah . 1745.75 1746.08 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1744.384 1750.336 1744.4 1750.3 I think it worked quite well . Did anyone feel that they were getting sort of covered up and not being able to 1746.02 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1745.68 1746.272 1745.68 1746.17 Yeah . 1746.17 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1745.598 1746.5 1745.73 1746.18 Yeah . 1746.18 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1751.664 1752.576 1751.68 1752.34 say their bit ? 1752.34 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1751.744 1755.323 1751.76 1755.22 To express them mm mm no . 1755.22 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1752.992 1758.528 1753.01 1758.36 Mm . I guess it was a fairly small group , so all of us got to express our opinions , yeah . 1754.19 1755.89 1758.05 1758.36 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1756.462 1757.468 1756.68 1757.13 Yeah . 1757.13 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1759.088 1759.632 1759.18 1759.49 Yeah . 1759.49 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1762.331 1763.76 1762.331 1763.76 . 1763.76 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1769.904 1775.834 1769.92 1775.834 New ideas found . Not quite sure what about . Yeah . 1772.44 1774.49 1775.58 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1772.576 1780.624 1772.6 1780.624 Well it's it's it's pretty new , pretty novel solution for a for a remote control really , all this flipping open thing and 1774.62 1778.71 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1774.643 1775.473 1774.77 1775.44 Mm . 1775.44 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1778.505 1780.159 1778.505 1780.1 Yeah . 1780.1 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1780.56 1785.379 1780.58 1784.77 I don't know , I don't go shopping for remote controls that often , maybe somebody's already though of it . 1781.06 1783.09 1784.77 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1782.656 1789.071 1782.68 1788.8 Yeah , neither neither do I , but I've never seen anything and and none of my examples were was was like this , actually , so . 1783.37 1783.93 1787.83 1788.21 1788.8 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1788.032 1788.716 1788.06 1788.58 Mm-hmm . 1788.58 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1788.288 1788.875 1788.31 1788.7 Yeah . 1788.7 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1788.384 1789.183 1788.55 1789.15 Hmm . 1789.15 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1790.368 1790.812 1790.39 1790.66 Yeah . 1790.66 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1791.508 1797.203 1791.53 1797.02 I'll be looking out next time I need to write an essay . That looks boring , I'll see if anyone's made a remote control . 1793.96 1794.82 1797.02 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1792.768 1794.039 1792.79 1794.039 Yeah , that's right . 1793.01 1793.74 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1795.045 1797.872 1795.48 1797.84 Yeah maybe w maybe we could have a patent on this one . 1797.84 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1798.086 1799.668 1798.2 1799.52 Yeah , yeah . 1799.16 1799.52 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1798.238 1800.752 1798.7 1800.752 Yeah . 1800.7 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1799.28 1801.897 1799.3 1801.59 Patent patent patent . Mm . 1801.4 1801.59 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1800.606 1801.914 1800.73 1801.66 Banana remote . 1801.66 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1800.799 1804.272 1800.85 1804.272 I think we'd like to think the ideas were new , but we've got no way of finding out . 1802.53 1804.02 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1804.352 1815.44 1804.37 1815.41 Yeah . Or you can always go to Google and type in banana remote control . Flip . Vibrate . And uh yeah . 1805.87 1811.05 1812.64 1813.78 1815.41 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1805.01 1805.504 1805.08 1805.38 Mm-hmm . 1805.38 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1810.685 1812.323 1810.98 1812.323 That vibrates - ES2006d B FEE024 1 1813.103 1821.385 1813.103 1821.385 Yeah , but that would just come up with like other things really wouldn't it . 1815.93 1820.99 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1817.536 1822.8 1817.536 1822.76 Nothing that you really want . True . Yeah . 1820.69 1821.97 1822.76 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1824.481 1836.044 1824.481 1835.91 Okay . So , costs are within budget , well within budget , including a little what have we got ? One Euro left over for bits that we didn't foresee . 1826.18 1827.03 1829.37 1831.09 1832.76 1835.91 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1828.704 1830.161 1828.77 1830.161 Yes . 1829.72 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1828.976 1830.11 1829.0 1829.66 Yes . 1829.66 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1837.472 1839.248 1837.54 1839.21 Um we've evaluated - ES2006d D FEO023 3 1839.632 1840.448 1839.71 1840.33 Yes . 1840.33 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1840.256 1857.888 1840.28 1857.75 the project . You've got the scores . Can you put that in the project documents file ? It's in there already . And the process wheel didn't really have any major problems with . Were there any was there anything that you found difficult , or anything 1841.65 1842.78 1845.52 1847.66 1852.77 1856.44 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1841.616 1843.151 1841.66 1842.89 And it's fabulous . 1842.89 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1844.549 1847.099 1844.94 1846.86 It's in the project documents . 1846.86 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1859.037 1862.16 1859.07 1861.77 that didn't go as smoothly as you'd hope ? 1861.77 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1861.106 1866.624 1861.35 1866.59 And my main difficulty was the the time pressure . Otherwise it's it's all fine . 1864.26 1866.59 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1863.902 1864.516 1864.08 1864.36 Yeah . 1864.36 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1864.752 1868.222 1864.77 1867.95 Yeah , yeah , sometimes it's like a little bit rushed . 1865.51 1865.77 1867.95 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1865.184 1866.08 1865.2 1866.04 Mm-hmm . 1866.04 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1869.401 1881.394 1869.401 1881.394 I thought that was good though , because if you're given too much time then you got nothing to do with your time and um yeah . Although we could have made the R_s better had we had five more minute . 1871.59 1877.85 1881.22 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1873.104 1875.264 1873.12 1875.23 Yeah , yeah , yeah . 1873.79 1874.89 1875.23 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1879.888 1881.066 1879.91 1880.94 Yeah . 1880.94 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1885.202 1888.96 1885.41 1888.77 Okay then . Um I think we're still well within our 1886.8 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1889.232 1891.39 1889.32 1891.27 Yeah , we've got like five minutes left . 1889.64 1891.27 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1889.984 1902.032 1890.0 1902.0 time . We've got about five minutes left , but if we've finished , then we've finished . We're just too too efficient and you should never drag a meeting on just because you have extra time . 1890.64 1892.28 1894.02 1895.53 1902.0 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1895.424 1896.022 1895.44 1895.89 Yeah . 1895.89 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1897.349 1903.728 1897.349 1903.39 We certainly are , mm . Yeah . 1898.84 1902.05 1903.39 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1898.128 1898.689 1898.15 1898.52 Yeah . 1898.52 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1902.597 1903.775 1903.04 1903.68 Yes . 1903.68 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1903.545 1907.063 1903.61 1907.0 So I would say that's the end of that meeting . 1907.0 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1908.048 1910.016 1908.33 1909.96 Yeah , it was a pleasure working with you . 1908.5 1909.96 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1908.32 1915.375 1908.34 1915.375 Thank you , team . It was very productive day and 1908.76 1910.15 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1908.105 1908.855 1908.46 1908.61 'Kay . 1908.61 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1909.936 1912.937 1909.936 1912.937 Yeah , same here . 1910.95 1912.66 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1914.624 1916.32 1914.64 1916.28 We could draw animals on the board again . 1916.28 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1916.736 1920.598 1916.736 1920.598 Mm uh no . 1920.51 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1917.728 1920.32 1917.81 1920.32 Mm uh no . I don't think so . 1919.1 1919.83 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1920.784 1923.92 1920.8 1923.89 You can make some animals . Oh , you don't like anim 1922.64 1922.79 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1922.208 1926.384 1922.57 1926.27 I don't like Play-Doh , no . It's just minging . It smells so bad . 1923.32 1924.14 1925.27 1926.27 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1927.999 1931.632 1927.999 1931.6 It doesn't ? Smells quite nice . Smells very sweet . 1929.13 1930.58 1931.6 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1929.04 1930.07 1929.06 1929.87 It does . 1929.87 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1933.728 1934.432 1933.76 1934.14 Mm . 1934.14 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1934.672 1945.428 1934.7 1945.428 Right , so we have to complete the final questionnaire and meeting summary when they send it . I don't know if it's already sent or not . Um presumably I have to 1934.98 1940.97 1943.24 ES2006d A MEO022 0 1939.024 1941.04 1939.43 1940.97 Was there a questionnaire already sent ? 1940.97 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1942.264 1943.669 1942.33 1943.41 No , it hasn't been . 1942.73 1943.41 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1944.704 1947.638 1944.72 1947.33 Do we have to go back into the other room or can we stay in here now ? 1947.33 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1947.52 1949.68 1947.56 1949.65 I don't see why you can't stay here , really . 1949.26 1949.65 ES2006d B FEE024 1 1949.969 1953.888 1949.99 1950.79 Okay , so the other way . 1950.36 1953.68 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1953.936 1956.434 1953.96 1956.4 Did I save this one ? Production costs . 1955.16 1956.4 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1959.52 1961.136 1959.52 1961.07 I made your animal for you . 1961.07 ES2006d C FEE021 2 1961.488 1967.361 1961.488 1967.33 It was supposed to be pink . But it was blue on the board . 1965.97 1967.33 ES2006d D FEO023 3 1965.484 1967.44 1965.5 1966.65 Yeah , that's the one 1966.04 ES2007a A MEE025 0 7.118 8.276 7.59 8.19 Mm-hmm ? 8.19 ES2007a A MEE025 0 21.129 22.14 21.27 22.1 Okay . 22.1 ES2007a A MEE025 0 32.14 33.401 32.34 33.07 Ooh . 33.07 ES2007a B FEO026 1 36.008 39.34 36.25 39.34 So we're 'kay ? On the or 36.84 ES2007a B FEO026 1 40.033 42.126 40.1 42.126 No . I dunno where to put it 'cause the 40.55 ES2007a B FEO026 1 43.807 46.875 43.91 46.74 Okay . Could you s take it off ? . 44.64 46.74 46.74 ES2007a D FEE028 3 49.849 51.607 49.96 51.607 Is that alright ? 51.48 ES2007a D FEE028 3 54.254 56.531 54.254 56.531 or - ES2007a D FEE028 3 60.117 61.073 60.35 60.96 Okay . 60.96 ES2007a B FEO026 1 64.537 65.071 64.59 64.99 Okay . 64.99 ES2007a D FEE028 3 69.185 71.607 69.39 71.19 Keeps coming off . 'S fiddly . 70.39 71.19 ES2007a A MEE025 0 82.04 82.63 82.23 82.36 Hmm . 82.36 ES2007a D FEE028 3 89.283 90.27 89.47 90.07 Right . 90.07 ES2007a A MEE025 0 89.724 92.318 90.06 91.92 How do we sta wa how do we start ? 91.92 ES2007a A MEE025 0 93.845 94.94 93.95 94.82 Does anybody know ? 94.82 ES2007a D FEE028 3 96.589 97.843 96.87 97.68 Oh , another one . 97.05 97.68 ES2007a A MEE025 0 107.101 108.523 107.15 108.523 So that's this - ES2007a A MEE025 0 111.174 114.047 111.29 113.8 Oh okay , right . 112.6 113.8 ES2007a B FEO026 1 112.497 115.594 112.84 115.594 Are we free to take notes uh - ES2007a B FEO026 1 117.084 117.65 117.22 117.52 Okay . 117.52 ES2007a A MEE025 0 119.033 124.519 119.06 124.19 Uh . 124.19 ES2007a A MEE025 0 135.515 137.001 135.515 137.001 . 137.001 ES2007a A MEE025 0 142.229 142.883 142.26 142.76 Hmm . 142.76 ES2007a A MEE025 0 148.873 154.144 148.95 153.84 Okay , just hang on a second everybody . I haven't actually looked at this yet . 149.72 151.82 153.84 ES2007a D FEE028 3 153.899 156.592 153.899 156.56 Ah . 156.56 ES2007a A MEE025 0 157.354 158.236 157.354 158.236 um - ES2007a D FEE028 3 158.864 159.564 158.91 159.24 Very nice . 159.24 ES2007a A MEE025 0 159.936 163.808 159.96 163.76 I haven't looked at it , but let's just start it off and we'll see what happens . 160.8 163.76 ES2007a A MEE025 0 166.16 167.072 166.18 166.95 If you're all ready . 166.95 ES2007a C MEE027 2 167.747 168.164 167.82 168.11 Yeah . 168.11 ES2007a A MEE025 0 173.808 184.288 173.83 184.2 So is the agenda ? Opening , acquaintance , tool training and project plan , discussion and then closing . 177.3 177.88 179.09 181.19 184.2 ES2007a A MEE025 0 185.728 209.408 185.75 208.66 Project aim is a new remote control . It's original , uh trendy and it's user-friendly . Project method , functional design , individual work , another meeting , conceptual design , individual work , and a meeting of details design , individual work and a meeting . 189.92 190.75 194.76 196.38 198.89 200.79 201.99 203.38 204.55 206.94 208.66 ES2007a D FEE028 3 193.545 194.416 193.63 194.22 'Kay . 194.22 ES2007a A MEE025 0 211.638 212.656 211.66 212.55 Tool training . 212.55 ES2007a A MEE025 0 213.648 221.754 213.67 221.55 Try out the whiteboard , every participant should draw their favourite animal and sum up their favourite characteristics of that animal . 215.67 221.55 ES2007a D FEE028 3 222.944 223.936 222.96 223.83 Okay . 223.83 ES2007a A MEE025 0 223.952 224.64 223.97 224.57 Um . 224.57 ES2007a A MEE025 0 228.384 231.424 228.42 231.28 Uh Miss Industrial Designer , would you like to go first ? 229.98 231.28 ES2007a B FEO026 1 230.46 231.051 230.52 231.02 Okay . 231.02 ES2007a B FEO026 1 232.08 235.488 232.11 235.488 So are we supposed to bring the little things for the - ES2007a A MEE025 0 235.552 239.312 235.57 239.28 Yeah , why don't you just c , I think just clip on clip do you have a belt ? 236.02 236.92 239.28 ES2007a D FEE028 3 239.76 241.68 239.98 241.64 Clip . 241.64 ES2007a B FEO026 1 239.882 240.624 240.09 240.36 Mm . 240.36 ES2007a A MEE025 0 240.704 242.512 240.72 242.48 Or put 'em in your pocket , yeah . 242.16 242.48 ES2007a B FEO026 1 241.712 248.24 241.74 248.24 Yeah . okay . So my favourite animal 245.63 246.75 ES2007a A MEE025 0 249.04 250.56 249.06 250.51 Yeah , what's your favourite animal ? 249.35 250.51 ES2007a B FEO026 1 252.849 254.219 252.92 254.219 'Kay um - ES2007a D FEE028 3 259.776 260.08 259.83 260.01 Ah . 260.01 ES2007a A MEE025 0 265.216 266.096 265.24 265.9 Is it rude ? 265.9 ES2007a D FEE028 3 265.84 268.512 265.89 268.512 It's an elephant . 267.87 ES2007a A MEE025 0 268.768 270.192 268.79 270.13 That's a very good elephant . 270.13 ES2007a C MEE027 2 270.272 271.701 270.3 271.62 The back end of an elephant . 271.62 ES2007a D FEE028 3 271.504 277.136 271.52 277.136 Oh my gosh , I'm never gonna be able to draw that well . 272.58 277.05 ES2007a A MEE025 0 274.537 280.496 274.86 280.41 'Kay , and you want to write up on there , it says you've gotta sum up your f f your favourite characteristics of that animal . 275.1 276.29 280.41 ES2007a B FEO026 1 280.253 286.416 280.43 286.3 Um okay , it's big , it's got a great memory . 282.93 284.77 286.3 ES2007a D FEE028 3 286.944 288.88 286.96 288.83 Does it ? Oh . 288.68 288.83 ES2007a B FEO026 1 289.681 301.024 289.7 300.97 Supposed to have a great memory , we say an elephant never forgets . And uh dunno know why but looks like nice to me . Nice animal . 291.51 294.62 300.26 300.97 ES2007a A MEE025 0 293.104 293.539 293.17 293.36 Mm . 293.36 ES2007a D FEE028 3 293.216 293.568 293.24 293.51 Mm . 293.51 ES2007a A MEE025 0 300.16 307.864 300.18 307.72 Okay . Wonderful , well done . Do you want to use the wipe the m the wiper and wipe it off ? 301.28 301.66 302.95 307.72 ES2007a B FEO026 1 304.873 305.501 304.96 305.33 Okay . 305.33 ES2007a A MEE025 0 312.976 317.872 313.04 317.6 And Mister aesthetics designer do you wanna go next ? 317.6 ES2007a C MEE027 2 316.224 318.781 316.224 318.71 Aesthetic yep , sure . 318.31 318.71 ES2007a D FEE028 3 317.904 319.664 317.92 319.48 I have no idea what my favourite animal is . 319.48 ES2007a C MEE027 2 320.531 325.568 320.73 325.15 'Kay , my favourite animal , uh let's see . 320.96 323.74 325.15 ES2007a D FEE028 3 333.632 334.176 333.67 334.14 Oh . 334.14 ES2007a D FEE028 3 336.12 336.766 336.19 336.766 It's - ES2007a C MEE027 2 336.139 352.752 336.34 352.64 Dunno if any of you have seen Napoleon Dynamite before . It's a liger , a combination of a lion and tiger . Have you not seen Napoleon Dynamite ? Oh it's a hilarious movie . You have to see it . And 339.61 344.08 348.63 350.68 351.63 352.35 ES2007a A MEE025 0 342.032 342.668 342.05 342.58 No . 342.58 ES2007a D FEE028 3 341.972 342.822 342.09 342.73 A what ? 342.73 ES2007a D FEE028 3 346.32 347.088 346.34 346.95 Alright . 346.95 ES2007a D FEE028 3 348.384 349.246 348.65 348.79 How . 348.79 ES2007a A MEE025 0 350.24 350.656 350.26 350.62 No . 350.62 ES2007a B FEO026 1 350.541 351.201 350.61 351.06 No . 351.06 ES2007a D FEE028 3 350.442 351.296 350.63 351.09 No . 351.09 ES2007a C MEE027 2 354.032 358.896 354.05 358.83 and it's best characteristic is it's pretty much - ES2007a C MEE027 2 360.0 361.28 360.2 361.17 the awesomest - ES2007a C MEE027 2 363.568 364.048 363.59 363.96 animal . 363.96 ES2007a C MEE027 2 367.04 372.085 367.06 372.085 But you have to see the movie to fully appreciate it . 371.94 ES2007a A MEE025 0 369.995 371.107 370.06 370.88 Okay , well done . 370.48 370.88 ES2007a D FEE028 3 371.632 372.08 371.65 371.98 Great . 371.98 ES2007a D FEE028 3 374.368 374.846 374.39 374.66 Me ? 374.66 ES2007a A MEE025 0 374.928 378.272 374.95 377.84 Yeah . Miss mar Miss Marketing ? 376.55 377.84 ES2007a D FEE028 3 380.178 381.24 380.43 380.76 Okay . 380.76 ES2007a D FEE028 3 382.672 384.544 382.98 384.37 Not quite sure how this is gonna work . 384.37 ES2007a C MEE027 2 384.427 385.066 384.48 384.89 There go . 384.89 ES2007a D FEE028 3 386.128 394.143 386.128 394.01 Cool . Uh well I'll try my best to draw . 388.27 394.01 ES2007a D FEE028 3 401.552 403.205 401.6 403.07 Can I just draw the face ? 403.07 ES2007a A MEE025 0 405.008 414.288 405.03 414.288 Um yeah , I think you can just draw the face , but then you'll have to describe in writing how the rest of it looks . 407.53 408.87 414.23 ES2007a D FEE028 3 414.55 414.883 414.59 414.68 Ooh . 414.68 ES2007a D FEE028 3 419.693 426.203 419.76 426.15 It's a cat . Which also has what ? A big fat body and 422.17 423.81 ES2007a A MEE025 0 420.368 422.272 420.39 422.24 That's a very pr pretty cat . 422.24 ES2007a D FEE028 3 427.504 429.152 427.61 429.12 big and a long tail . 429.12 ES2007a A MEE025 0 429.52 433.888 429.88 433.79 Okay , do y do you wanna do some write you wanna just write some words about it ? 430.29 433.79 ES2007a D FEE028 3 430.144 437.776 430.144 437.71 Why ? Because um cuddly . 434.83 437.71 ES2007a D FEE028 3 439.971 443.581 440.08 443.45 And usually cats are very friendly . Usually . 442.9 443.45 ES2007a D FEE028 3 447.44 454.832 447.63 454.832 And they're healing as well . They heal . And they can feel when a human's got problems so 449.53 450.82 ES2007a A MEE025 0 453.312 456.203 453.33 456.12 Wow , so they're kinda spiritual . 454.64 456.12 ES2007a D FEE028 3 458.064 459.44 458.13 459.41 So , that's why I like cats . 458.45 459.41 ES2007a A MEE025 0 460.528 461.12 460.56 461.03 Well done . 461.03 ES2007a D FEE028 3 461.648 462.791 461.73 462.76 There we are , that's me . 462.4 462.76 ES2007a A MEE025 0 473.147 473.787 473.26 473.72 Okay . 473.72 ES2007a D FEE028 3 480.831 481.264 481.02 481.22 Mm . 481.22 ES2007a A MEE025 0 481.197 491.968 481.3 491.968 Um , I don't actually have a favourite animal , but for the for th for this meeting I'll s draw a little 481.68 483.51 ES2007a D FEE028 3 501.696 503.694 502.16 503.46 Mm-hmm . 503.46 ES2007a A MEE025 0 502.672 503.652 502.69 503.53 Uh . 503.53 ES2007a A MEE025 0 506.864 512.098 506.91 511.72 I honestly can't draw for toffee . Uh . 511.32 511.72 ES2007a B FEO026 1 510.112 513.68 510.112 513.68 Really ? Oh that's a 512.32 ES2007a A MEE025 0 512.784 513.524 512.8 513.31 Yeah . 513.31 ES2007a A MEE025 0 515.312 521.44 515.312 521.44 no no uh - ES2007a C MEE027 2 517.984 523.696 518.01 523.57 A prairie dog ? Oh a squirrel ? 522.9 523.57 ES2007a A MEE025 0 524.351 527.984 524.43 527.984 That's exactly what it is . Uh not a very good one 526.59 ES2007a B FEO026 1 531.376 532.48 531.4 532.43 Not bad I would say . 532.43 ES2007a C MEE027 2 532.864 533.712 532.89 533.67 Yeah , that's pretty good . 533.06 533.67 ES2007a A MEE025 0 533.664 535.92 533.99 535.63 Okay , well , you got it's a s 534.35 534.52 ES2007a A MEE025 0 540.832 546.832 541.05 546.64 It's a squirrel , and I like them , because they're cute 542.0 544.45 ES2007a A MEE025 0 548.688 550.295 548.74 550.15 and stupid . 550.15 ES2007a B FEO026 1 551.216 551.76 551.24 551.7 Very good . 551.7 ES2007a D FEE028 3 553.746 554.192 553.77 554.11 Ah . 554.11 ES2007a C MEE027 2 554.416 555.44 554.5 555.38 Alright . 555.38 ES2007a A MEE025 0 556.176 566.799 556.22 566.62 Right . Okay , so , I guess that was the test to see if this equipment is all working . 560.29 561.5 562.29 566.62 ES2007a A MEE025 0 571.52 589.632 571.68 589.43 Mm . Let's move on to the next page . Okay , project finance , selling price twenty five Euros , profit aim fifty million Euros . 575.09 580.27 580.54 581.82 585.72 589.43 ES2007a D FEE028 3 591.616 594.448 591.64 594.35 Market range internationally sold . 594.35 ES2007a A MEE025 0 595.056 601.89 595.26 601.63 Yeah . Production cost , ah right it's gotta be can't cost any more than twelve fifty to make . 595.98 597.1 601.63 ES2007a D FEE028 3 598.672 599.401 598.7 599.24 Ah right okay . 599.24 ES2007a A MEE025 0 605.881 616.416 605.881 616.25 experience with with remote control , so talk about who who's used what . Any ideas ? 611.2 615.1 616.25 ES2007a A MEE025 0 618.208 619.632 618.23 619.47 Stuff like that . 619.47 ES2007a A MEE025 0 621.104 624.224 621.12 624.17 Next meeting starts in thirty minutes . 624.17 ES2007a A MEE025 0 626.848 628.628 626.848 628.58 At quarter to twelve . 628.58 ES2007a C MEE027 2 632.592 638.304 632.63 638.24 So I think before we close uh , we are expected I mean the last slide wanted us to maybe discuss longer what our 634.36 ES2007a C MEE027 2 639.872 644.025 639.94 644.025 what our ideas where . I mean if you wanna go back to the last slide . Uh 640.91 643.61 ES2007a A MEE025 0 642.912 644.608 643.73 644.41 Yeah . 644.41 ES2007a D FEE028 3 644.552 645.28 644.82 645.24 Yeah . 645.24 ES2007a C MEE027 2 644.792 645.294 644.93 645.13 S - ES2007a C MEE027 2 646.0 649.792 646.02 649.792 Yeah , I think we're I mean before we close the meeting , we're supposed to come up with some ideas for 646.12 647.67 ES2007a A MEE025 0 649.712 661.215 649.73 661.215 Oh k so we're actually supposed to be doing this discussion like right now are we or oh okay . I thought this was just t giving us instructions for the re to do next , but 655.97 660.86 ES2007a D FEE028 3 652.992 653.425 653.01 653.3 Yeah . 653.3 ES2007a C MEE027 2 653.328 653.856 653.45 653.82 Yeah . 653.82 ES2007a B FEO026 1 653.776 654.256 653.82 654.07 Mm . 654.07 ES2007a C MEE027 2 655.024 655.296 655.04 655.26 Yeah . 655.26 ES2007a C MEE027 2 660.773 668.336 660.79 668.336 Yeah , I think this is just the preliminary , get some rough ideas for what our experiences with remote controls have been and and what we would 660.92 662.84 ES2007a C MEE027 2 669.616 672.416 669.64 672.36 roughly what we would incorporate into a new one maybe . 672.36 ES2007a A MEE025 0 673.232 677.376 673.25 677.19 Okay . Right , who's got experiences with remote controls then ? 674.9 675.21 677.19 ES2007a A MEE025 0 678.368 680.784 678.39 679.71 Pretty much everybody . 679.71 ES2007a B FEO026 1 678.577 680.16 678.577 680.01 Yeah . 680.01 ES2007a C MEE027 2 679.44 680.639 679.46 680.639 Yeah , I think we've all got 679.55 ES2007a D FEE028 3 679.6 680.96 680.78 680.96 Uh . 680.81 ES2007a A MEE025 0 682.774 683.552 682.84 683.52 Um . 683.52 ES2007a B FEO026 1 683.472 685.664 683.49 685.56 Is this a T_V_ one we are supposed to make ? 685.56 ES2007a D FEE028 3 685.632 688.893 685.65 688.84 Yeah . Yeah it's a T_V_ remote control . 687.15 688.84 ES2007a B FEO026 1 688.282 688.912 688.4 688.76 Okay . 688.76 ES2007a A MEE025 0 691.105 692.288 691.13 692.25 'Kay um . 692.25 ES2007a D FEE028 3 691.039 692.502 691.24 692.502 Well . 692.37 ES2007a B FEO026 1 692.82 693.263 692.89 693.0 T - ES2007a D FEE028 3 693.588 695.264 693.64 695.16 A new remote control for T_V_ . 695.16 ES2007a D FEE028 3 696.416 701.184 696.44 701.12 What would I like ? Um . 700.05 701.12 ES2007a A MEE025 0 697.133 698.067 697.22 698.067 W what - ES2007a A MEE025 0 702.976 704.656 703.0 704.57 You want it big do you want it small . 704.57 ES2007a D FEE028 3 706.533 707.312 706.82 707.28 Medium . 707.28 ES2007a A MEE025 0 706.784 714.521 706.86 714.521 Are we are we going for like like telephones are going little teeny tiny things or we are going for something that's that's big and - ES2007a C MEE027 2 713.104 713.392 713.16 713.3 Mm . 713.3 ES2007a C MEE027 2 715.664 735.68 715.69 735.65 Yeah it seems like there's like there's sort of a tension between two ideas , I mean , you want you want one remote that maybe can work uh all all of the functions of T_V_ and if you have whatever associated with T_V_ the D_V_D_ player , or something like that , but like at the same time you don't wanna really busy remote with a thousand buttons on it or something . 719.5 719.7 728.01 729.68 735.65 ES2007a A MEE025 0 727.401 730.903 727.401 730.7 Video and ts hi-fi and stuff . 730.7 ES2007a A MEE025 0 736.203 740.24 736.25 740.11 Maybe you yeah now th that's the other thing is it's gotta be cheap . 740.11 ES2007a C MEE027 2 736.548 736.954 736.64 736.88 Mm . 736.88 ES2007a C MEE027 2 740.512 741.232 740.53 741.07 Yeah . 741.07 ES2007a A MEE025 0 741.824 752.672 741.84 752.64 'Cause I I I mean I was thinking something that's got different like maybe a a an L_C_D_ display on it that's got different pages for different devices , 752.64 ES2007a D FEE028 3 753.968 754.368 754.01 754.32 Mm . 754.32 ES2007a A MEE025 0 754.448 756.912 754.47 756.87 but that would p that would probably be quite expensive . 756.87 ES2007a B FEO026 1 756.832 766.912 756.85 766.912 But how do we know how much uh , I mean , how much do we have per how much ? Twelve fifty . 761.07 762.31 765.35 766.81 ES2007a D FEE028 3 764.248 765.344 764.27 765.27 Twelve fifty . 765.27 ES2007a C MEE027 2 765.346 768.058 765.6 767.92 It g can't be more than twelve fifty per unit . 767.92 ES2007a D FEE028 3 766.082 766.992 766.36 766.85 Each . 766.85 ES2007a A MEE025 0 767.84 768.96 767.86 768.87 Per unit , yeah . 768.49 768.87 ES2007a C MEE027 2 769.328 769.856 769.35 769.78 Cost . 769.78 ES2007a B FEO026 1 770.288 773.104 770.31 773.104 So do we have to be realistic within the budget or - ES2007a A MEE025 0 773.77 793.632 773.8 793.59 Well at the moment we could , wa I mean we 'cause we this is what we th what we're doing at the moment is just saying what what we'd like , and then after we after we've found out what we can like , some different ideas , we can then go and do the research to find out if these any of these ideas are feasible or not . So would be nice to have something that that controls lots of different things . 774.93 779.21 781.62 783.15 789.53 793.59 ES2007a B FEO026 1 773.662 776.529 773.9 776.43 Close pr I don't know how much it would cost . Yeah . 775.95 776.43 ES2007a D FEE028 3 773.931 774.768 774.13 774.768 Guess - ES2007a B FEO026 1 787.738 788.328 787.82 788.06 Right . 788.06 ES2007a C MEE027 2 794.416 794.752 794.44 794.71 Yeah . 794.71 ES2007a A MEE025 0 795.358 795.902 795.38 795.87 Um . 795.87 ES2007a D FEE028 3 795.584 798.48 795.6 798.39 Couldn't we have like one that comes out ? 798.39 ES2007a D FEE028 3 800.08 816.4 800.08 816.34 Like so you have one in like mm it doesn't have to be really thick . I mean remote controls can be thin bits . And then you have one for your D_V_D_ and you sort of slide it out , and then you have another one , you slide it out . have slides . And then it all comes compact 805.61 807.9 811.41 812.36 813.8 814.69 ES2007a B FEO026 1 803.472 803.84 803.49 803.8 Yeah . 803.8 ES2007a A MEE025 0 813.312 814.192 813.312 814.16 'Kay . 814.16 ES2007a A MEE025 0 816.896 818.707 816.92 817.94 Okay , that's . 817.28 817.94 ES2007a D FEE028 3 817.444 826.384 817.48 826.34 into one . So it's not you actually just putting three or four different remotes together but making them thinner , and um into one basically . 818.37 824.1 826.34 ES2007a A MEE025 0 825.964 827.136 826.08 827.1 Th that's an idea . 827.1 ES2007a C MEE027 2 827.488 827.963 827.51 827.77 Yeah . 827.77 ES2007a D FEE028 3 827.487 828.808 827.56 828.69 So you just flip them out . 828.69 ES2007a A MEE025 0 830.464 830.976 830.49 830.93 Okay . 830.93 ES2007a B FEO026 1 829.04 854.256 831.25 854.21 Um have uh one very complicated one on one side with all the D_V_D_ and V_C_R_ access and stuff , and then on the other side o one uh a remote control that would be very very simple with just the channel , program plus and minus , and the just the mute button , for example . I can real keep it really really simple on one side and the other side be very complicated . 839.49 845.69 847.61 849.16 850.08 854.21 ES2007a A MEE025 0 854.352 856.544 854.56 856.51 One side for kids , one side for adults . 855.46 856.51 ES2007a C MEE027 2 856.256 858.041 856.256 858.041 I'm not sure if that's like - ES2007a B FEO026 1 856.416 860.224 856.44 860.19 Yeah . Or grandma as well , you know it's like what is the mute button . 857.33 858.36 860.19 ES2007a C MEE027 2 859.088 865.729 859.44 865.55 I'm not sure if it's a good idea to have a two sided remote though , 'cause it would be very hard to use in the way that you mani manipulate it . 861.82 865.55 ES2007a B FEO026 1 864.4 871.36 864.42 871.36 No , but you would slide it into uh someth like something on the back would hold like you wouldn't be able to press the buttons , but 864.54 870.99 ES2007a C MEE027 2 869.077 869.495 869.11 869.35 Oh . 869.35 ES2007a C MEE027 2 870.432 871.04 870.58 871.01 Oh okay . 871.01 ES2007a A MEE025 0 870.555 876.736 870.96 876.736 Like it or something like a flip telephone , something like that maybe . 874.35 876.54 ES2007a C MEE027 2 871.393 871.795 871.48 871.7 Yeah . 871.7 ES2007a C MEE027 2 875.109 875.648 875.28 875.6 Okay . 875.6 ES2007a D FEE028 3 876.262 880.08 876.31 879.98 That would be cool . I was thinking that like a flip . 877.49 879.98 ES2007a A MEE025 0 877.563 885.376 877.93 885.25 F flip it open and you've got all the buttons , or you flip it closed and you've just got the basic buttons on the outside maybe . 879.99 885.25 ES2007a C MEE027 2 885.552 885.926 885.58 885.81 Mm-hmm . 885.81 ES2007a A MEE025 0 886.544 890.304 887.23 889.7 Um , oh we've got five minutes left . 888.11 889.7 ES2007a B FEO026 1 890.315 891.943 890.57 891.85 Start breaking up . 891.85 ES2007a D FEE028 3 893.776 897.118 893.8 896.98 Okay . Um . 895.91 896.98 ES2007a A MEE025 0 893.888 895.136 893.91 895.03 But okay . 895.03 ES2007a A MEE025 0 896.4 898.592 896.42 898.29 Well we've got a k we've got a few ideas there . 898.29 ES2007a D FEE028 3 899.358 900.656 899.358 900.656 . 900.656 ES2007a C MEE027 2 898.96 924.987 899.43 924.94 Yeah , we should uh I guess by the end of this meeting we should have at least a a rough conception you know stage one was technical functions design , what effect the apparatus should have . Okay . Um so I mean we still have time in our next meeting to come up with the actual concept for the user interface , but the the functions that we're sure that we want are that it can control the T_V_ , but also devices connected to the to the T_V_ , I mean , be able to operate 899.59 908.45 910.36 910.9 916.47 920.26 923.48 924.26 ES2007a A MEE025 0 923.84 924.463 923.88 924.33 Yeah . 924.33 ES2007a C MEE027 2 926.016 928.688 926.29 928.55 D_V_D_ players , things like that . 927.98 928.55 ES2007a A MEE025 0 930.688 952.288 930.71 951.58 I have got I think we should also have a back-up plan of I 'cause I I I just think that it might be expensive to make something that I mean we don't , we haven't been told it has to be something that will control everything . We should have a back-up plan of just a really good television remote control , that just that is just for a T_V_ , but it's just a really good , nice one . 938.38 942.6 947.11 949.21 950.91 951.58 ES2007a C MEE027 2 942.144 942.496 942.16 942.46 Yeah . 942.46 ES2007a B FEO026 1 942.689 943.338 943.01 943.3 Yeah . 943.3 ES2007a C MEE027 2 947.114 947.552 947.22 947.45 Okay . 947.45 ES2007a C MEE027 2 951.632 952.131 951.67 951.85 Right . 951.85 ES2007a A MEE025 0 953.408 954.24 953.43 954.08 What do you reckon ? 954.08 ES2007a C MEE027 2 955.791 956.528 955.81 956.37 Yeah , I mean . 956.17 956.37 ES2007a A MEE025 0 956.272 961.328 956.3 961.28 See 'cause , I'm just thinking bearing in mind th we've gotta we have to have something that's cheap to make . 956.67 961.28 ES2007a C MEE027 2 961.28 966.736 961.3 966.7 Yeah , that's true , maybe we should just concentrate on having a a good T_V_ remote , and have it be um 961.52 961.94 964.5 ES2007a A MEE025 0 966.226 969.248 966.226 969.21 I think we'll be able to come up with ideas and stuff a lot quicker . 969.21 ES2007a C MEE027 2 969.28 975.745 969.3 975.745 have it be like ergonomic so it's comfortable to use , uh simple to use , and looks decent and 971.98 973.28 ES2007a A MEE025 0 970.592 971.056 970.61 971.02 Yeah . 971.02 ES2007a A MEE025 0 975.168 976.528 975.19 976.528 May w you know , maybe even 975.81 ES2007a D FEE028 3 975.473 981.758 975.56 981.758 But what'll make it what'll make it interesting for people to buy though ? I mean if it's if it's just like 979.04 ES2007a A MEE025 0 978.974 989.271 979.0 989.271 Or maybe even so something that's for disabled people or so people that uh b don't see very well or big buttons for touchy buttons for - ES2007a C MEE027 2 988.896 993.472 988.93 993.41 Sorta find a niche for our remote , like market it to a certain kind of p kind of people , 990.54 993.41 ES2007a A MEE025 0 991.792 992.6 991.91 992.57 Yeah . 992.57 ES2007a B FEO026 1 992.299 992.784 992.34 992.75 Yeah . 992.75 ES2007a C MEE027 2 994.496 996.178 994.52 996.178 certain certain demographic - ES2007a A MEE025 0 994.944 997.312 994.96 997.19 Or just one that looks really fucking cool . 997.19 ES2007a D FEE028 3 998.752 1000.112 998.78 999.41 Mm-hmm . 999.41 ES2007a C MEE027 2 1003.68 1004.704 1003.7 1004.67 Yeah , no I think you're right . 1004.01 1004.67 ES2007a B FEO026 1 1003.722 1007.216 1003.722 1007.17 Could be really light or , I dunno , something special . 1005.86 1006.29 1007.17 ES2007a C MEE027 2 1007.504 1009.36 1007.52 1009.36 Yeah , rathe rather than focus on 1007.76 ES2007a A MEE025 0 1009.584 1016.272 1009.71 1016.272 Otherwise we'll be we'll be here all day talking about do this let's do that n I think we sh I think we should - ES2007a C MEE027 2 1009.782 1010.86 1009.99 1010.86 Y - ES2007a C MEE027 2 1013.352 1013.879 1013.42 1013.78 Yeah . 1013.78 ES2007a B FEO026 1 1015.824 1021.735 1015.84 1021.735 Yeah , 'cause at the end of the day if it says just T_V_ remote , doesn't say com combination with all all the r 1015.97 1018.34 ES2007a C MEE027 2 1019.456 1019.918 1019.48 1019.74 Yeah . 1019.74 ES2007a A MEE025 0 1019.984 1028.97 1020.0 1028.97 Yeah . I mean obviously everyone we're uh you know uh sounds like we're all a bit sort of gadget heads and we like things that do everything at once , but you know , that's 1021.21 1027.45 1028.66 ES2007a C MEE027 2 1026.334 1035.414 1026.334 1035.414 Remotes spinning out from other remotes and having little nested remotes inside . 1034.51 ES2007a A MEE025 0 1030.375 1030.816 1030.41 1030.78 Yeah . 1030.78 ES2007a D FEE028 3 1030.848 1031.577 1030.88 1031.24 Mm . 1031.24 ES2007a A MEE025 0 1032.608 1039.038 1032.68 1038.86 Yeah , that's right . Yeah . I mean I'd like one that makes tea as well , but that's not gonna happen . 1032.97 1033.73 1034.7 1036.65 1038.86 ES2007a D FEE028 3 1036.72 1054.576 1036.72 1054.37 I think a flip up thing , 'cause you always have this problem of like if it's on this well I did anyway , like we had five or six remotes and they would be lying on the c on the coach , and you'd come and sit down and ooh , the telephone's the television switched on or something . So maybe something that like 1040.02 1044.18 1047.31 1049.42 1052.32 ES2007a D FEE028 3 1055.904 1062.451 1055.92 1062.4 does have a lid or closes , so you don't accidentally press a button or record button for something . 1058.63 1062.4 ES2007a A MEE025 0 1060.464 1065.098 1060.54 1065.03 Okay , like a lock f like a lock functs function on it like you have on your telephones , yeah . 1060.91 1064.72 1065.03 ES2007a D FEE028 3 1064.416 1064.955 1064.44 1064.76 Yeah . 1064.76 ES2007a D FEE028 3 1065.856 1069.568 1065.91 1069.47 But make it like really snazzy and cool people will want it . So make it Yeah . 1068.63 1069.47 ES2007a A MEE025 0 1069.728 1071.987 1069.8 1071.89 Yeah , it's gotta be sellable . Yeah . 1069.98 1071.56 1071.89 ES2007a D FEE028 3 1071.008 1071.488 1071.1 1071.45 Yeah . 1071.45 ES2007a C MEE027 2 1071.648 1079.088 1071.67 1079.05 Yeah , that's true what you were saying , I mean it doesn't have to have a flip function , it can just have a lock function , so that it's not uh not usable when you don't want it to be usable . 1071.76 1072.64 1074.04 1075.2 1079.05 ES2007a D FEE028 3 1075.083 1075.798 1075.29 1075.62 Mm . 1075.62 ES2007a A MEE025 0 1075.68 1076.032 1075.7 1076.0 Yeah . 1076.0 ES2007a B FEO026 1 1075.766 1076.192 1075.97 1076.16 Mm . 1076.16 ES2007a D FEE028 3 1079.232 1079.696 1079.25 1079.59 Yeah . 1079.59 ES2007a A MEE025 0 1079.792 1080.384 1079.81 1080.26 Okay . 1080.26 ES2007a D FEE028 3 1080.768 1086.0 1080.79 1085.77 And even for kids as well . It's um it's safer for them , I guess . Like they don't flick onto 1081.87 1083.52 1083.96 ES2007a D FEE028 3 1087.04 1091.24 1087.1 1091.24 channels and all that sl flick onto . 1090.74 ES2007a A MEE025 0 1089.696 1098.752 1089.696 1098.752 No porn channel for children . Okay . Um alright , so we've got some ideas , we've got um 1093.76 1095.13 1096.44 1097.45 ES2007a B FEO026 1 1093.264 1093.771 1093.6 1093.72 Okay . 1093.72 ES2007a C MEE027 2 1099.664 1102.144 1099.68 1102.02 I guess that's good good for now . 1102.02 ES2007a A MEE025 0 1100.56 1101.488 1100.59 1101.32 Let's move on . 1101.32 ES2007a D FEE028 3 1102.432 1102.848 1102.48 1102.79 Mm . 1102.79 ES2007a A MEE025 0 1102.992 1108.336 1103.03 1108.3 Oops , let's close that . Next meeting , uh okay . 1103.39 1107.2 1107.71 1108.3 ES2007a D FEE028 3 1107.872 1110.944 1107.89 1110.88 W What does I_D_V_I_D_N_M_E_ stand for ? 1110.88 ES2007a A MEE025 0 1111.808 1115.275 1111.83 1115.275 Industrial Designer um which is - ES2007a D FEE028 3 1113.504 1116.272 1113.52 1116.17 Ah ri okay . these are requirement specification . 1114.94 1116.17 ES2007a B FEO026 1 1115.62 1116.602 1115.99 1116.602 That's - ES2007a A MEE025 0 1116.336 1116.992 1116.36 1116.94 Um . 1116.94 ES2007a D FEE028 3 1117.632 1118.47 1117.65 1118.33 And I'm marketing . 1118.33 ES2007a B FEO026 1 1117.911 1118.48 1118.08 1118.29 Mm . 1118.29 ES2007a A MEE025 0 1118.576 1123.456 1118.6 1123.456 Yeah , there you go . So 1119.24 1122.1 ES2007a A MEE025 0 1124.48 1136.56 1124.5 1136.33 User Interface Designer , that's that's that's you , so you gotta you go , you're you're gonna be the one that's working out what what buttons we need . Um . 1125.95 1129.43 1131.67 1135.75 1136.33 ES2007a C MEE027 2 1126.896 1128.56 1126.94 1128.49 That's me . Okay . 1128.23 1128.49 ES2007a C MEE027 2 1133.84 1135.024 1133.87 1134.99 Right . Right . 1134.76 1134.99 ES2007a A MEE025 0 1138.256 1146.112 1138.31 1145.82 Industrial Designer , you are the one , you know , you're gonna be working out kind of box it goes in , I guess so , um 1139.26 1140.11 1140.39 1143.58 1145.27 ES2007a A MEE025 0 1148.736 1154.048 1148.76 1153.72 whether it's what goes into the box , somehow . 1152.8 1153.72 ES2007a B FEO026 1 1153.968 1155.824 1153.99 1155.77 Mm . Har how it works an 1154.54 ES2007a A MEE025 0 1157.44 1158.384 1157.47 1158.384 And in marketing - ES2007a D FEE028 3 1158.635 1160.544 1158.635 1160.28 These are requirement specification . 1160.28 ES2007a B FEO026 1 1158.883 1159.469 1158.97 1159.19 Bu - ES2007a A MEE025 0 1160.736 1163.161 1160.76 1162.91 User requirements specifications . 1162.91 ES2007a D FEE028 3 1162.192 1163.872 1162.22 1163.82 So what the user requires - ES2007a A MEE025 0 1164.656 1165.28 1164.68 1165.28 Yeah , what 1165.06 ES2007a B FEO026 1 1164.678 1167.84 1164.78 1167.84 Do you think our two kind of overlap , because 1167.38 ES2007a D FEE028 3 1164.764 1165.898 1164.97 1165.68 in a remote . 1165.68 ES2007a A MEE025 0 1166.528 1167.552 1166.56 1167.52 Right , okay , yeah . 1166.94 1167.13 1167.52 ES2007a C MEE027 2 1167.872 1172.026 1167.89 1171.96 Yeah , it does seem like our our responsibilities have some overlap . 1168.06 1171.96 ES2007a D FEE028 3 1168.224 1169.74 1168.24 1169.59 I guess that's what it says . 1169.59 ES2007a A MEE025 0 1168.88 1174.928 1168.9 1174.82 You two you two are gonna be just , I think , you just double up , you know , you working together . 1172.05 1172.36 1173.07 1173.6 1174.82 ES2007a B FEO026 1 1173.202 1174.012 1173.33 1173.8 Yeah . 1173.8 ES2007a C MEE027 2 1173.921 1174.535 1174.09 1174.42 Yeah . 1174.42 ES2007a A MEE025 0 1176.208 1186.128 1176.23 1185.34 You're the one that's gotta go and find out do th do the research , see what people want in a remote , what buttons are used more often , and s stuff like that . 1180.11 1182.31 1183.81 1185.34 ES2007a D FEE028 3 1184.224 1184.64 1184.27 1184.59 Mm . 1184.59 ES2007a A MEE025 0 1187.12 1190.436 1187.12 1190.31 Oh , we've been warned to finish the meeting now . Okay . 1187.69 1189.93 1190.31 ES2007a A MEE025 0 1195.904 1198.08 1196.01 1197.9 Okay everyone , well done . Good meeting . 1196.7 1197.21 1197.9 ES2007a C MEE027 2 1197.988 1199.637 1198.08 1199.6 Alright , see you in thirty minutes . 1198.41 1199.6 ES2007a A MEE025 0 1200.08 1201.994 1200.08 1201.88 Yeah . 1201.88 ES2007a D FEE028 3 1202.912 1204.96 1202.93 1204.79 So , do we take these off ? 1203.79 1204.79 ES2007a B FEO026 1 1205.824 1206.304 1205.84 1205.95 I don't - ES2007b A MEE025 0 0.0 1.217 0.02 1.217 Think we can first - ES2007b C MEE027 2 9.551 11.5 9.62 11.14 Right it was function F_ eight or something . 11.14 ES2007b B FEO026 1 9.49 10.435 9.71 10.16 Mm . 10.16 ES2007b C MEE027 2 13.587 14.57 13.7 14.49 This one right there . 14.49 ES2007b B FEO026 1 14.045 14.576 14.07 14.27 Tha - ES2007b B FEO026 1 17.135 20.901 17.27 20.21 Okay . Who is gonna do a PowerPoint presentation ? 18.32 20.21 ES2007b C MEE027 2 17.479 18.011 17.64 17.88 Okay . 17.88 ES2007b C MEE027 2 20.617 22.031 20.75 22.031 Think we all - ES2007b C MEE027 2 22.793 23.56 22.81 23.52 Huh . 23.52 ES2007b B FEO026 1 22.82 23.686 22.96 23.56 You will as well ? 23.56 ES2007b C MEE027 2 24.565 26.929 24.59 26.71 Oh I thought we all were . Yeah , I have one too , okay . 25.3 25.6 26.45 26.71 ES2007b B FEO026 1 25.514 26.314 25.73 26.17 Okay . 26.17 ES2007b A MEE025 0 27.011 29.038 27.011 29.038 . 29.038 ES2007b C MEE027 2 33.281 33.817 33.49 33.61 S - ES2007b B FEO026 1 45.878 46.612 46.02 46.36 Yep . 46.36 ES2007b D FEE028 3 48.25 49.064 48.25 49.064 . 49.064 ES2007b C MEE027 2 48.863 54.062 49.27 54.062 Whoops I forgot to put the thing on - ES2007b A MEE025 0 63.246 80.437 63.4 80.437 Right . I just wanna 'cause basically I can't re I've really crap at remembering everyone's name so I just wanna rather than going uh Miss Marketing and Miss this and Miss that wanted to know your names again . just gonna leave this up here 'cause I'll you know . So 63.91 75.42 79.87 ES2007b C MEE027 2 72.029 72.763 72.11 72.49 Okay . 72.49 ES2007b B FEO026 1 74.637 75.707 74.83 75.707 Okay I'm - ES2007b C MEE027 2 76.83 79.852 76.97 79.54 Yeah . Sure , that's a good idea . 78.45 78.84 79.54 ES2007b B FEO026 1 77.367 77.983 77.4 77.83 Okay . 77.83 ES2007b B FEO026 1 80.314 84.348 80.45 84.31 I'm Catherine with a C_ . C_A_T_H_ 83.2 ES2007b B FEO026 1 86.084 86.8 86.1 86.76 E_R_ - ES2007b B FEO026 1 87.897 88.868 88.02 88.62 I_N_E_ . 88.62 ES2007b A MEE025 0 89.595 95.048 89.78 94.97 Okay , and Gabriel . 91.62 94.97 ES2007b C MEE027 2 93.239 94.695 93.36 94.36 Uh Gabriel . 94.36 ES2007b A MEE025 0 98.943 100.228 99.15 100.1 E_L_ is it ? 100.1 ES2007b C MEE027 2 99.326 100.075 99.6 99.97 E_L_ . 99.97 ES2007b A MEE025 0 102.277 103.219 102.58 103.08 'Kay . 103.08 ES2007b A MEE025 0 103.859 114.496 103.97 114.496 And you're s r R_E_I_S_S_ - ES2007b D FEE028 3 104.386 108.268 104.94 107.6 I am Reissa . R_E_I_S_S_A_ . 106.36 107.6 ES2007b D FEE028 3 110.864 114.071 111.18 113.93 Double S_ A_ , yeah yeah . Sorry . 112.11 113.45 113.93 ES2007b A MEE025 0 117.034 118.04 117.18 117.91 Okay . 117.91 ES2007b A MEE025 0 120.702 128.044 120.95 128.0 'S just a bit nicer calling people by their names I think . Uh , right . 126.38 127.59 128.0 ES2007b B FEO026 1 123.621 124.715 123.82 124.58 Right . 124.58 ES2007b B FEO026 1 125.148 125.866 125.36 125.75 True . 125.75 ES2007b D FEE028 3 131.68 132.18 131.72 131.93 Mm 'kay . 131.93 ES2007b A MEE025 0 132.95 148.704 133.01 148.39 Okay , right , welcome to meeting B_ . Um this is gonna go a lot better than the last meeting , basically , uh 'cause I know what I'm supposed to be doing now . I am your Project Manager , and , uh yeah , I'm just here to 133.39 133.64 135.89 139.59 140.31 143.5 145.7 146.13 147.36 ES2007b A MEE025 0 150.128 178.656 150.128 178.6 sort of liaise between the three of you and get things going , get people talking and and I'm gonna be making notes and sending them off to the powers that be and stuff basically . Um right , this for the purposes of this meeting what this meeting is all about is um I'm gonna have some presentations from all three of you , what you've been working on for the last 153.71 163.32 165.39 176.24 ES2007b A MEE025 0 179.904 198.112 180.02 198.04 wee while , when you haven't been getting hit with spam on your computers and and , you know , filling out silly questionnaires and things . But hopefully you've been actually been doing something productive . So we're gonna each of you gonna give us a litt a little presentation . Um . 181.15 185.75 186.1 188.56 192.41 197.36 198.04 ES2007b D FEE028 3 196.8 197.136 196.88 197.1 Mm . 197.1 ES2007b A MEE025 0 199.36 214.416 199.38 214.38 Then we're gonna work , you know , from each of your presentations . We'll we'll uh talk about what we actually need as a final coming together of it all . Um and then we'll , yeah , we'll sort of conclude anything else comes up at the end of it . 200.67 200.94 202.4 209.12 210.86 211.43 214.38 ES2007b B FEO026 1 214.668 215.792 214.92 215.75 How long is the meeting ? 215.75 ES2007b A MEE025 0 215.92 247.898 216.13 247.72 This meeting it's not very long . It's uh probably down to about thirty five minutes now . So I want each of your presentations to not be too long , five five minutes , something like that . Um if you haven't done a PowerPoint thingy , it doesn't matter , it it just it just says that you it's that's just one particular medium . If you haven't had time to prepare one , you can draw stuff on the noteboard , you can talk to us , you can you know however you want to do your little presentation , basically , you can . 217.79 221.2 225.14 227.28 228.63 231.17 231.99 236.64 238.81 241.3 243.07 246.58 247.28 247.72 ES2007b B FEO026 1 220.864 221.136 220.88 221.09 Okay . 221.09 ES2007b B FEO026 1 225.551 227.315 225.551 227.315 No problem . 227.28 ES2007b A MEE025 0 248.542 273.424 248.56 273.424 Don't feel pressurised into using this thing . 'Cause I don't . Uh okay . So um . You okay over there ? Reissa , are you uh b are you joining in with this meeting here or are y or are y or are you are you just are you just uh doing some Internet shopping there ? 251.83 255.17 257.31 261.04 262.77 264.34 273.19 ES2007b D FEE028 3 262.998 264.24 263.08 264.2 I'm fine . Yeah . 263.87 264.2 ES2007b D FEE028 3 266.279 270.218 266.3 270.01 I uh yeah , yeah . D I mean , I I'm finishing off my presentation . 266.93 267.74 268.17 270.01 ES2007b C MEE027 2 267.04 269.562 267.06 269.16 Think she's finishing up her presentation . 269.16 ES2007b D FEE028 3 271.312 272.602 271.33 272.602 No no . 272.39 ES2007b D FEE028 3 273.344 275.056 273.36 275.02 Uh I'm done . Okay . 274.75 275.02 ES2007b A MEE025 0 274.432 295.36 274.97 295.3 Okay , jolly good . Alright , let's have um well , we all know that it's it's a remote control that we're gonna be dealing with . I think the first thing we should look at is um probably the um what it is that it is actually supposed to be . So that's gonna be you Catherine , if we wanna hear from you first . 275.41 276.27 276.74 279.66 283.2 291.46 293.7 295.3 ES2007b D FEE028 3 283.152 283.737 283.2 283.45 Mm . 283.45 ES2007b B FEO026 1 292.944 293.216 292.96 293.18 Okay . 293.18 ES2007b B FEO026 1 295.28 299.538 295.31 299.23 Okay . Um just connecting this . 296.5 299.23 ES2007b B FEO026 1 313.904 314.815 314.02 314.76 Are we getting i - ES2007b A MEE025 0 314.192 318.384 314.21 317.84 You don't have to worry about screwing it in just there you go . 317.84 ES2007b B FEO026 1 316.4 325.152 316.51 325.152 Really ? Okay . Cool . Okay . So I've got a very quick uh 317.09 318.3 319.88 322.56 ES2007b B FEO026 1 326.88 327.712 326.95 327.65 Uh . 327.65 ES2007b B FEO026 1 330.448 330.984 330.48 330.95 Okay . 330.95 ES2007b B FEO026 1 332.352 355.904 332.86 355.74 So the working design , I've got a very quick presentation on this , so um I've oh no , you can't see a thing . Oh well , I'm gonna draw it on the board then . It's in blue uh , and I couldn't change it . We it's fine on my screen , but never mind . So um the idea is that we've got the 333.98 336.32 340.21 342.94 343.24 345.36 346.81 348.32 349.69 351.12 ES2007b C MEE027 2 345.368 347.696 345.56 347.696 Oh . 347.48 ES2007b A MEE025 0 348.4 348.704 348.42 348.67 Ah . 348.67 ES2007b B FEO026 1 357.28 379.296 357.3 379.16 energy source um , which in our case will pr , oh well okay , never mind . So um I think maybe uh two batteries , I dunno what they're called six , or something like that . Uh and then 361.95 364.44 366.37 366.84 372.31 374.32 376.41 ES2007b A MEE025 0 374.736 375.312 374.76 375.27 Mm-hmm . 375.27 ES2007b B FEO026 1 380.844 383.07 380.844 382.84 um - ES2007b B FEO026 1 386.32 398.016 386.34 397.95 then on the uh remote control itself will have um the sender for the signal , which could be uh 396.36 ES2007b B FEO026 1 399.444 401.68 399.67 401.42 an infra-red signal , 401.42 ES2007b B FEO026 1 404.96 411.944 405.23 411.82 um which will be sent by an electronic chip . 411.82 ES2007b B FEO026 1 414.912 420.464 414.98 420.38 And uh the chip will be controlled by the user interface . 420.38 ES2007b B FEO026 1 422.272 438.24 422.29 438.12 So we'll hear about that later from Gabriel . And uh the sender will send to the telly itself an infra-red signal to tell it to switch on or switch channels . 425.74 438.12 ES2007b A MEE025 0 425.552 426.039 425.59 425.97 Mm-hmm . 425.97 ES2007b B FEO026 1 442.056 447.376 442.1 446.94 Um and that's it really for the working design . 446.94 ES2007b A MEE025 0 448.128 453.723 448.27 453.52 Great . Okay . 452.84 453.52 ES2007b B FEO026 1 452.416 456.671 453.03 456.671 Sorry the presentation wasn't very uh clear but - ES2007b A MEE025 0 455.904 459.648 455.92 459.6 I prefer the pe I prefer the human touch personally . Yeah . 458.92 459.6 ES2007b B FEO026 1 457.536 458.819 457.56 458.68 Really ? Cool . 458.35 458.68 ES2007b B FEO026 1 459.867 463.133 459.95 463.133 Um , should I erase this or 460.65 ES2007b A MEE025 0 462.627 471.772 462.66 471.66 Do you wanna just give us a moment , I just wanna copy this down . Um I dunno if you guys have got any questions for Catherine on any of this ? 463.92 465.83 471.66 ES2007b B FEO026 1 464.009 464.751 464.22 464.56 Okay . 464.56 ES2007b B FEO026 1 465.822 466.784 465.94 466.784 Fine . 466.4 ES2007b B FEO026 1 470.901 472.457 471.08 472.18 Or suggestions ? 472.18 ES2007b D FEE028 3 475.792 477.36 475.81 477.32 Is a battery like - ES2007b D FEE028 3 478.608 479.776 478.63 479.776 the only way of - ES2007b B FEO026 1 480.864 485.098 481.12 485.0 Well , it's just , you don't want it plugged in really , s 481.35 482.04 484.47 ES2007b C MEE027 2 484.848 487.584 484.87 487.584 Yeah , alternate energy source , like win wind power or 484.98 486.08 ES2007b A MEE025 0 487.503 492.924 487.503 492.924 Yeah , you blow on it and i 489.46 ES2007b D FEE028 3 487.632 488.179 487.7 488.179 No , no 487.91 ES2007b B FEO026 1 487.456 489.344 487.84 489.344 In indoors . 488.89 ES2007b D FEE028 3 489.328 490.532 489.35 490.532 No I meant like - ES2007b C MEE027 2 489.49 492.944 489.49 492.87 Bicycle power . 492.87 ES2007b D FEE028 3 490.96 502.897 490.99 502.897 No 'cause like cha 'cause always changing um um batteries can get like annoying . The battery's down and maybe , I dunno , solar charged ? 497.1 500.19 500.73 502.64 ES2007b B FEO026 1 500.288 506.464 500.31 506.464 I dunno , swi I th I th I think changing your batteries once every six months is not really a pain , but 500.73 506.26 ES2007b A MEE025 0 506.384 510.16 506.4 510.1 Yeah , it's worked for the last fifty years you know . 506.73 510.1 ES2007b D FEE028 3 506.784 509.193 506.8 508.78 Mm . Yeah . 508.38 508.78 ES2007b C MEE027 2 510.224 526.24 510.33 526.21 One question I have , and I don't know how much control we have over this is um , as far as the infra-red signal , do we have control over , you know , how far away you can be from the receiving unit , the the T_V_ , and still have it be operational ? I mean , maybe we want one with a strong signal stream . 511.21 514.24 515.41 517.04 517.54 519.61 520.35 522.22 523.02 526.21 ES2007b A MEE025 0 526.348 528.896 526.44 528.85 How far away is your television ? 528.85 ES2007b B FEO026 1 527.595 528.236 527.71 528.08 Yeah . 528.08 ES2007b A MEE025 0 529.904 540.354 529.92 540.23 It's never gonna be more than it's never gonna be , you kno unless you've got a T_V_ the size of a football pitch , it's not doesn't have to go that far , does it ? Doesn't have to go through a wall , because you're not gonna be looking through a wall . 531.98 534.89 536.44 536.78 538.09 540.23 ES2007b C MEE027 2 529.926 530.46 530.08 530.46 Uh - ES2007b B FEO026 1 530.763 532.775 530.92 532.775 Well , the thing is uh you you don't 531.1 ES2007b D FEE028 3 541.168 550.575 541.19 550.575 Yeah , but if like you're on the phone in the other room and you need turn television off or something and you don't really want to go into the put the telephone down , and go into the other room . 541.37 547.03 550.39 ES2007b C MEE027 2 541.229 542.091 541.34 541.89 That's true . 541.89 ES2007b B FEO026 1 548.944 554.88 549.17 554.84 Well , we can make the the signal strong enough to go through walls if if you fancy it . 549.33 554.84 ES2007b B FEO026 1 556.512 557.706 556.58 557.48 I didn't think about that - ES2007b D FEE028 3 558.896 560.704 558.92 560.704 How about Bluetooth ? 560.6 ES2007b B FEO026 1 559.057 559.709 559.24 559.709 but - ES2007b D FEE028 3 562.752 563.792 562.77 563.76 Instead of using infra-red , 563.76 ES2007b D FEE028 3 564.96 565.664 564.98 565.52 use Bluetooth . 565.52 ES2007b B FEO026 1 566.96 567.536 566.98 567.43 Why not ? 567.43 ES2007b D FEE028 3 569.2 570.34 569.22 570.27 Isn't that a better signal ? 570.27 ES2007b B FEO026 1 569.264 574.858 569.28 574.72 I just think that it's it's gonna cost more and I'm I'm not sure it's you're gonna use it . 574.72 ES2007b A MEE025 0 572.128 578.282 572.15 578.15 Yeah , yeah I d it sounds like you you w don't wanna overcomplicate things . You know we don't need it . 572.44 577.04 578.15 ES2007b D FEE028 3 576.304 577.12 576.34 576.89 Mm . 576.89 ES2007b B FEO026 1 577.642 585.88 577.66 585.88 It's a fancy idea uh it's quite nice , but then I don't th I dunno , either you if you wanna watch the telly you're in the room , you are gonna 579.93 582.32 584.82 ES2007b A MEE025 0 585.104 602.144 585.12 602.144 Yeah , exactly . Basically , we're we're desi we're designing and marketing a television remote control unit . We're not w w w w designing something that you can plug in a headset to and and you know connect to your laptop computer and stuff . It's uh 585.71 586.19 586.78 591.67 599.67 ES2007b B FEO026 1 586.337 586.837 586.46 586.837 But - ES2007b D FEE028 3 602.08 602.416 602.12 602.36 Mm . 602.36 ES2007b B FEO026 1 602.976 606.496 603.07 606.43 Oh , we can we can keep the idea if you i 603.77 ES2007b B FEO026 1 608.912 612.256 609.12 612.256 We can see at a later stage , maybe , I don't 610.82 611.09 ES2007b D FEE028 3 609.111 610.176 609.45 610.14 'S just an idea . 610.14 ES2007b A MEE025 0 612.227 613.505 612.8 613.32 Okay . 613.32 ES2007b A MEE025 0 632.203 643.984 632.22 643.73 Right , well done , Catherine . Um Gab Gabriel let's uh let's hear from you on on on such things . 632.47 635.2 636.56 643.73 ES2007b C MEE027 2 639.799 640.517 640.0 640.4 Okay . 640.4 ES2007b B FEO026 1 642.304 643.446 642.32 643.38 Do you need the border ? 643.38 ES2007b C MEE027 2 643.312 645.677 643.33 645.59 Uh I'm just gonna use the PowerPoint uh . 645.59 ES2007b B FEO026 1 644.576 644.816 644.6 644.78 Okay . 644.78 ES2007b B FEO026 1 667.456 668.496 667.456 668.46 Sorry . 668.46 ES2007b C MEE027 2 668.292 670.848 668.41 670.74 Technical . Okay . 669.04 670.74 ES2007b D FEE028 3 691.616 692.461 691.65 692.24 Adjusting . 692.24 ES2007b C MEE027 2 691.68 694.544 691.7 694.51 Okay , so , while this is warming up , there it is uh . 691.99 692.19 693.55 694.51 ES2007b D FEE028 3 693.84 694.08 693.86 694.05 Yeah . 694.05 ES2007b C MEE027 2 695.552 700.032 695.57 699.93 So I'm doing the user interface design . 699.93 ES2007b A MEE025 0 700.192 701.104 700.22 701.06 Mm-hmm . 701.06 ES2007b C MEE027 2 701.184 705.961 701.2 705.89 Yeah , and basically uh , as far as methods , I was I was looking looking at 701.5 702.9 704.53 ES2007b C MEE027 2 707.312 713.024 707.48 712.99 looking at uh already existing remotes , trying to find some inspiration from designs that are already out there . 710.08 712.99 ES2007b C MEE027 2 714.32 734.176 714.39 734.176 Thinking of what we can retain , what we can do away with , uh what we what we can perfect a little bit as far as design um . we don't want to do something that's too radical of a change , I guess , I mean people want a remote that's familiar , that has their favourite functionalities um and and does the basics , but 717.04 718.58 723.61 725.65 725.99 728.73 733.67 ES2007b A MEE025 0 733.184 734.608 733.2 734.26 Mm yeah . 734.26 ES2007b C MEE027 2 734.736 737.328 734.76 737.29 Um so we can improve what's out there and maintain that , 737.29 ES2007b C MEE027 2 738.352 740.048 738.37 740.01 the basic functionality that people want . 740.01 ES2007b C MEE027 2 742.768 748.128 742.79 748.09 Um so things that seem like absolute must-haves uh would be a volume control , 748.09 ES2007b C MEE027 2 749.328 774.832 749.35 774.77 um so up-down keys for that , uh channel keys up-down , but then also a numerical key pad so that they can just key directly to the channel that they want , rather than doing up-down , and uh a mute button . Uh one thing that I didn't include here , that I forgot that we talked about last time , was doing um some sort of lock uh function . Uh , I don't I dunno , uh that's one possibility . 752.68 754.08 759.33 760.94 764.29 766.38 767.96 770.79 772.04 772.87 774.77 ES2007b A MEE025 0 770.754 771.327 770.8 771.26 Okay . 771.26 ES2007b C MEE027 2 776.688 778.816 776.71 778.72 And so in the research that I was doing - ES2007b C MEE027 2 779.565 792.064 779.74 791.91 there's basically two types of remotes , ones that are engineering centred and ones that are more user centred , which I don't know if I can access the web page from here , but I can show you uh . 782.47 786.73 789.22 791.91 ES2007b C MEE027 2 793.36 829.521 793.65 829.44 Yeah . So this is a engineer centred one , so you see it's rather busy , but it also lets you play your movie , stop your movie , fast-forward , all this , um freeze frame . Uh and this is a user centred one . Uh it's it's easier to g just glance at this and see what's possible to do , you're not gonna be staring at it for five minutes . And I judging from what what we all talked about during our last meeting I kind of gathered that that's what we were going after , uh or the direction we were going in at least . Um . 794.27 797.5 798.75 801.47 802.2 802.86 803.93 807.28 810.46 815.29 818.25 825.4 828.88 829.44 ES2007b A MEE025 0 803.248 804.0 803.28 803.96 Mm-hmm . 803.96 ES2007b A MEE025 0 811.181 811.952 811.47 811.89 Yeah . 811.89 ES2007b A MEE025 0 817.984 818.928 818.09 818.46 Great . 818.46 ES2007b C MEE027 2 831.71 856.693 831.78 856.48 So , the engineering centred ones uh provide a lot of functionality , but it can be a little bit overwhelming , so the user centred ones just focus on ease of use . Uh and this sort of overlaps with what the marketing person uh , Reissa , because uh we we need to find out what what people want before we make firm decisions on this . So uh , yeah , that's me . 833.0 836.23 837.59 841.1 845.99 846.81 854.21 855.68 856.04 856.48 ES2007b D FEE028 3 846.554 847.205 846.91 847.17 Mm . 847.17 ES2007b D FEE028 3 851.264 853.717 851.264 853.717 . 853.717 ES2007b A MEE025 0 851.712 852.24 851.73 851.95 Yeah . 851.95 ES2007b A MEE025 0 857.184 878.688 857.2 878.688 Great . Okay . Now that's I just have a q a q question for you . This w um research that you've been doing looki looking at other , you know , existing units stuff . Um have you found that anyone else has do has looked into the locking function or 857.79 859.63 863.12 869.26 869.53 871.73 ES2007b C MEE027 2 877.984 890.832 878.0 890.79 No that that that seemed like a novel idea as f as far as I know . I mean obviously another exists like you like you said in in mobile phones . That was sort of the inspiration for it . Um I've never seen that with in in all my years in in the remote business . 880.9 885.13 887.01 890.79 ES2007b A MEE025 0 884.784 885.424 884.8 885.28 Yeah . 885.28 ES2007b A MEE025 0 889.904 896.112 889.92 896.112 Yeah . 896.06 ES2007b C MEE027 2 891.218 894.356 891.25 894.16 I've , haven't I've never seen a locking functionality . 891.55 894.16 ES2007b C MEE027 2 895.089 900.944 895.19 900.89 I dunno , what uh do you guys have a a yea or nay on that a feeling about whether that's really necessary ? 895.8 900.89 ES2007b A MEE025 0 902.032 902.512 902.05 902.512 Um - ES2007b A MEE025 0 903.602 905.024 903.97 904.99 I would say - ES2007b A MEE025 0 906.096 907.079 906.12 907.079 it's - ES2007b A MEE025 0 911.472 913.136 911.49 912.7 If it's simple to do , 912.7 ES2007b A MEE025 0 914.144 956.0 914.16 955.96 which I think it probably should be , even if it's a physical , you know , a f a like a f a physical switch or a physical cover for the remote , even something like that , um then yes , it's like , you know , like s you said earlier on ab ab ab a flip thing , something like that , but you know being physical . Look into . Um I've had word down from head office that something that we should be centred well , something we should take into account is um we've gotta keep the corporate image within this remote control unit . It's gotta d look like it's in the R_ and R_ . 916.87 917.99 918.24 923.35 925.27 927.42 928.77 929.08 933.22 934.34 936.67 938.1 945.09 952.99 955.96 ES2007b C MEE027 2 915.768 916.304 915.93 916.27 Yeah . 916.27 ES2007b C MEE027 2 922.992 923.344 923.01 923.31 Mm-hmm . 923.31 ES2007b C MEE027 2 925.202 925.814 925.23 925.66 'Kay . 925.66 ES2007b C MEE027 2 932.882 933.408 932.91 933.31 Right . 933.31 ES2007b C MEE027 2 956.672 957.024 956.72 956.96 Mm . 956.96 ES2007b A MEE025 0 957.28 965.44 957.4 965.36 You know , the the company it's it's , from what I can see from our other products , are yellow with blue writing on them . Um . 957.72 959.71 962.32 964.83 965.36 ES2007b D FEE028 3 963.461 964.72 963.461 964.67 Mm . 964.67 ES2007b C MEE027 2 964.016 964.416 964.04 964.36 Right . 964.36 ES2007b C MEE027 2 965.6 968.961 965.62 968.76 And our motto is is we put the fashion in electronics . 968.76 ES2007b A MEE025 0 967.44 970.16 967.46 970.04 We put the fashion in electronics . There you go . 969.4 970.04 ES2007b D FEE028 3 968.633 969.515 968.97 969.32 Mm . 969.32 ES2007b C MEE027 2 969.276 971.424 969.35 971.38 I think I think we have to carry that mental . 971.38 ES2007b A MEE025 0 971.552 983.063 971.57 982.85 So it's kinda gotta look it's gotta look new and s you know something fashionable . If if remote control well , if telephones can be fashionable , then maybe remote control units can be . 978.08 979.42 980.84 982.85 ES2007b C MEE027 2 978.045 978.614 978.27 978.38 Mm . 978.38 ES2007b D FEE028 3 983.872 984.128 983.89 984.08 Mm . 984.08 ES2007b C MEE027 2 984.416 995.444 984.44 995.4 Well yeah these , I think , we can so we talked about the layout in my presentation and what I didn't mention yet really is is the sort of like the ergonomic design . I t I think we can make big improvements over these two that you see here , I mean . 984.86 985.14 991.86 994.94 995.4 ES2007b A MEE025 0 991.088 992.633 991.11 992.633 Yeah . Because we need 991.61 ES2007b A MEE025 0 995.056 997.36 995.08 997.16 Yeah . Great . 996.74 997.16 ES2007b C MEE027 2 995.853 1007.586 995.92 1007.46 Uh , everything is going t ergonomic , you know , there's you know mice for your computers that are very ergonomic and keyboards and that could be one of our niches p sort of uh uh in the market , I guess . Um . 996.74 998.61 998.83 1005.91 1007.0 1007.46 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1006.736 1017.506 1006.76 1017.28 Okay , fantastic . Right , well done , Gabriel . Um Reissa . Let's plug you in , baby . 1007.16 1010.27 1010.66 1011.25 1012.18 1016.31 1016.99 1017.28 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1010.071 1010.792 1010.27 1010.69 Okay . 1010.69 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1011.335 1012.972 1011.335 1012.972 . 1012.972 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1015.644 1016.985 1015.92 1016.74 Where does it go into ? 1016.74 ES2007b C MEE027 2 1017.303 1018.066 1017.303 1018.066 . 1018.066 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1018.304 1019.786 1018.33 1019.71 Here ? The blue thing . 1019.25 1019.71 ES2007b C MEE027 2 1018.768 1019.088 1018.91 1019.05 Yeah . 1019.05 ES2007b C MEE027 2 1020.08 1025.792 1020.19 1025.792 Uh , yeah , this is getting all . Mm . 1020.91 1021.13 1022.09 1025.55 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1028.506 1028.978 1028.506 1028.978 . 1028.978 ES2007b C MEE027 2 1030.12 1033.136 1030.15 1032.98 Yeah , then you just have to do function F_ eight and it should come up . 1030.37 1032.98 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1034.408 1037.472 1034.91 1037.42 Well , function F_ eight . 1035.85 1037.42 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1039.847 1043.563 1040.23 1043.563 No oh . 1043.41 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1040.955 1043.38 1040.99 1043.01 Yeah , w it it just takes a wee while . 1041.4 1043.01 ES2007b C MEE027 2 1040.84 1043.384 1041.35 1042.92 Yeah , it just takes a second uh . 1041.49 1042.92 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1046.734 1048.132 1047.17 1047.69 Come on . 1047.69 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1053.545 1103.04 1053.61 1102.98 Right . Okay . . Okay . Well , for our marketing report uh we observed remote control users in a usability lab , and also gave so this is research and we also gave participants um questionnaires to fill out . Um total number of people tested were a hundred just so you know , so that hundred people were tested and these were the findings . So seventy five per cent of users find the remote control ugly . Okay , so they don't like the look of the remote control . Um eighty f eighty per cent of them would spend more money if the rem remote control looked really cool and fancy . So I think we all agree with that . Um current remote controls do not match well with the operating behaviour of the user . 1054.79 1056.98 1056.98 1057.62 1060.42 1066.71 1074.26 1077.66 1080.67 1086.38 1086.63 1089.19 1095.55 1097.91 1102.98 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1104.285 1107.904 1104.31 1107.87 So , they don't like like the way they operate it doesn't 1105.4 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1108.976 1125.101 1109.0 1125.03 like match how people behave . Um per cent of the users say that they only use ten per cent of the buttons on a remote , so probably if you have like one , two , three , four , five , the whole up to z ten , they probably don't use those , they only use the up and down channel . 1112.45 1116.79 1118.94 1119.15 1119.4 1119.61 1120.3 1122.19 1123.39 1125.03 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1124.896 1130.23 1124.92 1130.23 'Cause we've only got five channels . 1129.97 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1126.848 1134.352 1126.848 1134.16 exactly . That's another thing . Um seventy five per cent of users say they zap . 1129.23 1130.78 1134.16 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1135.376 1138.784 1135.4 1137.81 Not quite sure what they mean , zap , goes like . 1136.46 1137.38 1137.81 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1137.735 1141.2 1137.93 1141.17 I think that's k flicking quickly between channels . 1141.17 ES2007b C MEE027 2 1141.584 1143.968 1141.6 1143.68 Yeah , you wanna navigate the channels quickly I guess . 1141.86 1143.68 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1141.872 1142.451 1141.89 1142.26 Yeah . 1142.26 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1143.2 1143.746 1143.22 1143.71 Yeah . 1143.71 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1143.161 1169.404 1143.39 1169.404 Mm . Um takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote . I think especially for uh the older generation . I know my grandmother doesn't like mobile phones , takes ages to work how to use . Anyway um and they also remotes often get lost in the room , so nobody can find them . So maybe tracking devices is a good idea . Um personal preferences . 1145.03 1147.96 1150.55 1152.96 1155.5 1159.94 1161.93 1164.59 1169.33 ES2007b C MEE027 2 1161.44 1161.728 1161.48 1161.67 Mm . 1161.67 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1164.704 1174.411 1164.704 1174.411 Wow . You are a child of technology , aren't you ? 1168.66 1170.3 1174.34 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1173.04 1199.752 1173.04 1199.63 Um so yeah um I was thinking something easy to use , especially for older people . Um has to look really cool , flashy groovy for people to buy it . And it's easy to find , so I don't know whether maybe and also we asked them whether they wanted whether they'd be interested in um voice activating . 1177.86 1179.35 1183.38 1186.2 1188.93 1199.63 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1200.75 1234.073 1201.13 1233.99 So voice activation . So and this was what we came up with . Then if you look fifteen to twenty five this is age , sorry , age groups . So fifteen to twenty five said like ninety two ninety one per cent of them said yes . Um so basically the majority except for the forty five to fifty five year olds for some reason didn't want a voice activated one . And neither did the older generation , but the younger generation who we are catering for , like who have most of the money nowadays , do want a voice act speech recognition in a remote . 1202.92 1205.54 1209.13 1210.81 1211.3 1217.16 1224.36 1225.89 1228.63 1230.22 1233.99 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1215.322 1217.232 1215.34 1216.74 So there you go , yeah . 1216.17 1216.74 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1232.096 1238.32 1232.12 1238.32 Uh but do the younger generation have the money ? They they don't . It's older generation , they're the ones that have gone out and 1235.02 1235.84 1236.97 ES2007b C MEE027 2 1233.874 1238.481 1234.53 1238.35 No I would I would say the older the older people , yeah . 1237.76 1238.35 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1236.408 1246.242 1237.26 1246.242 Well the twenty five to thirty five year old , and thirty five , and the thirty five to forty five , forty five point seven per cent say no , so 1239.43 1240.54 1242.01 1245.52 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1244.715 1254.88 1244.81 1254.85 People people from the age of thirty f there's a big drop off there . For people up to the age of thirty five , you're kinda saying , yeah , they want it . 1249.95 1253.12 1253.81 1254.02 1254.85 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1255.904 1274.784 1255.92 1274.46 Um but no they're not sort of most people that have the money are people from the age of thirty five to fifty five , uh 'cause they're the ones that have been working for twenty years . Um d and tha and that's a that's quite a minority there , so yeah , it's not even like fifty fifty that's th thirty five per cent . 1263.2 1266.46 1271.01 1271.39 1274.46 ES2007b C MEE027 2 1262.192 1263.988 1262.21 1263.71 Yeah , that would be my guess as well . 1262.38 1263.71 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1263.52 1265.046 1264.04 1265.046 So they don't - ES2007b D FEE028 3 1267.312 1268.08 1267.33 1268.08 Well - ES2007b D FEE028 3 1274.64 1275.568 1274.71 1275.53 These guys are growing up . 1275.53 ES2007b C MEE027 2 1277.952 1285.397 1277.97 1285.397 What about just from the the prospective of our manufacturing cost ? I mean if if it's twelve fifty per unit . I mean , okay , there's 1281.31 1283.91 1284.29 1284.67 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1282.928 1283.712 1283.0 1283.66 Yeah . 1283.66 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1284.896 1286.778 1284.896 1286.74 Voice activation might not be the best . 1286.74 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1286.528 1289.872 1286.55 1289.84 I would say scra I'd say scrap that straight off . 1289.84 ES2007b C MEE027 2 1287.344 1287.696 1287.44 1287.65 Uh . 1287.65 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1290.944 1301.824 1290.96 1301.78 Um also with um with buttons , a thing called R_S_I_ , so wrist sense Huh ? 1295.5 1298.34 1301.78 ES2007b C MEE027 2 1300.256 1304.368 1300.28 1304.368 Repetitive strain uh rep repetitive strain injury or like from doing - ES2007b D FEE028 3 1303.472 1315.858 1303.49 1315.858 Yeah , repetitive strains injury , so they don't I think people who watch T_V_ maybe too often , keep changing channel hurts their wrist . I don't think so . 1303.71 1304.97 1307.84 1311.56 1315.76 ES2007b B FEO026 1 1309.92 1315.917 1309.92 1315.917 Well maybe they shouldn't watch so much T_V_ then . 1315.76 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1313.584 1329.28 1313.6 1329.22 So y so it's so it's so you got so that's something we should have a look into then i when desi when designing the ergonomics of see have a look if um there's any w any medical background we can find out about this . 1329.22 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1318.405 1320.824 1318.79 1320.68 Yeah maybe not so hard . 1320.68 ES2007b C MEE027 2 1319.058 1319.74 1319.29 1319.67 Mm . 1319.67 ES2007b C MEE027 2 1322.423 1322.932 1322.52 1322.72 Mm . 1322.72 ES2007b B FEO026 1 1327.296 1331.04 1327.32 1331.04 Maybe it could be , instead of pressing button it could be just touching a 1328.12 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1331.2 1331.648 1331.22 1331.6 Yeah . 1331.6 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1332.292 1340.306 1332.42 1340.23 Let's jus we just want need to cover our arses so that people aren't gonna sue us in ten years' time , say your remote control gave me repetitive strain injury . 1337.39 1340.23 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1332.355 1333.204 1332.59 1333.204 Maybe - ES2007b C MEE027 2 1340.976 1345.504 1341.01 1345.45 Yeah , we should probably consult with our legal department uh . 1341.83 1345.45 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1341.808 1342.144 1341.85 1342.11 Mm . 1342.11 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1344.042 1353.706 1344.18 1353.5 Yeah . They're having a lunch break at the moment , but yeah . I'll see if I can get see if I can get hold of them for the next meeting . 1346.34 1347.76 1350.83 1353.5 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1347.972 1351.243 1347.972 1351.08 Yeah . 1351.08 ES2007b C MEE027 2 1350.947 1351.629 1351.29 1351.49 Yeah . 1351.49 ES2007b C MEE027 2 1354.016 1359.968 1354.04 1359.93 I think we can do some really in in that department , the the ergonomic department , we can make some some really good improvements . 1356.34 1358.08 1359.93 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1357.856 1358.496 1357.88 1358.42 Yeah . 1358.42 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1360.224 1366.384 1360.25 1366.35 Mm . Maybe th the buttons not so high up so you don't have to press so much , or we just like flat buttons , something . 1361.09 1364.3 1366.01 1366.35 ES2007b C MEE027 2 1364.112 1364.352 1364.13 1364.31 Mm . 1364.31 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1367.728 1368.064 1367.75 1368.02 Yeah . 1368.02 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1370.061 1381.344 1370.21 1381.31 Okay . That's great , thank you very much for that , Reissa . Um okay , so we've basically 1372.26 1372.89 1373.88 1376.33 1379.93 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1370.69 1371.68 1370.93 1371.65 So that is me . 1371.65 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1383.296 1384.768 1383.34 1384.63 we've decide we've d - ES2007b A MEE025 0 1385.84 1402.016 1385.86 1401.95 we've decided that it's gonna be , you know uh , we're going for a basic television remote . It's gotta be safe to use , it's gotta look cool . It's gotta be cheap . S um . 1387.04 1387.53 1391.62 1393.59 1399.37 1401.13 1401.95 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1395.104 1395.408 1395.15 1395.36 Mm . 1395.36 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1401.162 1402.269 1401.41 1401.97 Mm . 1401.97 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1403.648 1435.264 1403.7 1435.22 Now going back to the uh industrial design of it , you know , we were looking at whether to use maybe infra-red or Bluetooth . I think , we should just go with the simplest option on everything , uh and that would be infra-red , energy source , that would be batteries . Uh mean we we can look into using the s , you know , the little tiny weeny batteries , all like special long-lasting batteries . Um . 1407.77 1408.02 1413.66 1415.0 1420.47 1423.29 1424.19 1426.59 1428.65 1429.02 1430.74 1433.91 1435.22 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1436.992 1452.256 1436.992 1452.256 But a in there's no I don't think there's any point in making a remote control unit that's gonna last for fifty years , because technology will have changed and , you know , we won't have televisions in ten years' time . So 1443.77 1446.91 1447.15 1451.42 ES2007b B FEO026 1 1451.413 1452.24 1451.69 1451.99 Yep . 1451.99 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1455.04 1457.664 1455.28 1457.62 I think we're all um pretty sussed on that . 1457.62 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1458.72 1459.264 1458.74 1459.2 Um - ES2007b A MEE025 0 1460.592 1466.245 1460.88 1465.92 anyone have any questions ? Everybody happy in their work ? 1464.57 1465.92 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1464.256 1464.991 1464.28 1464.72 Mm . 1464.72 ES2007b C MEE027 2 1466.896 1470.118 1466.92 1469.63 Yeah , it seems like we're all on the pretty much on the same page . 1467.31 1469.63 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1469.456 1482.512 1469.5 1482.37 Now this is good , we've got a good structure going on . We all know where we're going to . Have you been ge has have any of you lot been getting loads of crap spam on your computers ? 1471.9 1473.66 1477.69 1482.37 ES2007b C MEE027 2 1482.464 1486.539 1482.48 1486.539 Oh it's probably just you , 'cause you're the project manager . 1483.38 1485.92 ES2007b B FEO026 1 1484.101 1485.088 1484.101 1485.088 . 1485.088 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1485.44 1487.376 1485.51 1487.28 Well , just questionnaires . 1486.33 1487.28 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1487.632 1488.112 1487.65 1488.06 Yeah . 1488.06 ES2007b C MEE027 2 1487.296 1495.47 1487.67 1495.47 Sell trying to sell your things . 1495.15 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1489.748 1500.448 1490.07 1500.18 Yeah , stuff . Um okay . Do oh have you guys found out if we can if we can e-mail stuff to each other ? 1490.86 1492.23 1494.7 1500.18 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1500.368 1500.88 1500.41 1500.85 Yeah , you can . 1500.52 1500.85 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1501.712 1505.041 1501.73 1504.98 Right . Do all you all know my e-mail address ? 1502.8 1504.98 ES2007b C MEE027 2 1502.608 1503.175 1502.64 1503.0 Okay . 1503.0 ES2007b C MEE027 2 1504.582 1505.794 1504.6 1505.794 No I don't . I 1505.6 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1505.478 1507.652 1505.51 1507.59 I think he's participant one , aren't you ? 1506.98 1507.59 ES2007b B FEO026 1 1505.552 1514.367 1505.57 1514.367 Well , in the project announcement , you've got the addresses , I think . So Project Manager , it's participant one at A_M_I_ . 1505.97 1507.42 1508.47 1509.2 1510.38 1514.15 ES2007b C MEE027 2 1509.04 1509.28 1509.06 1509.28 Uh - ES2007b C MEE027 2 1510.322 1512.894 1510.6 1512.75 Oh , it's just participant one oh okay . Yeah . 1510.7 1512.58 1512.75 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1512.944 1516.336 1513.03 1516.29 Can you all d e-mail me your e-mail addresses ? 1516.29 ES2007b C MEE027 2 1517.12 1521.954 1517.14 1521.954 Well it's just w it's just it's just par participant one , participant two . 1520.59 1521.75 ES2007b B FEO026 1 1517.456 1523.312 1517.48 1523.21 You have them i you have them , but we'll send you an e-mail . You want to have friends , don't you ? 1520.29 1521.83 1522.88 1523.21 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1517.625 1520.351 1517.625 1520.351 . 1520.351 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1521.696 1524.515 1521.72 1524.35 Send me , yeah yeah , okay . 1522.08 1523.83 1524.35 ES2007b C MEE027 2 1523.168 1531.749 1523.168 1531.51 So are we headed towards like a b a big yellow and black remote as far as maybe that's our next meeting that we discuss that . 1531.51 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1530.397 1537.468 1530.397 1537.468 Is it yellow and black or is it yellow and blue ? I I kind of thought it was blue writing on a yellow background , but I might be just going a bit 1532.58 1535.59 ES2007b C MEE027 2 1536.656 1545.11 1536.97 1544.55 Well , it's like white on i white and blue on a black background with white with yellow borders . Maybe that's like getting ahead of ourselves . 1537.13 1542.21 1544.55 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1541.728 1543.376 1541.77 1543.34 Okay . Well , 1542.95 1543.34 ES2007b B FEO026 1 1544.112 1544.991 1544.13 1544.991 It wouldn't be - ES2007b A MEE025 0 1544.512 1547.456 1544.53 1547.33 maybe you can come up with a few with a couple of different ideas ? 1547.33 ES2007b C MEE027 2 1546.273 1546.894 1546.52 1546.67 Mm . 1546.67 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1547.584 1553.392 1547.74 1552.96 Can't we have different colours in the remotes , so somebody can choose different col like does it have to be of a certain ? 1549.28 1552.96 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1551.186 1560.946 1551.27 1560.87 Well , see the thing is is we've gotta keep the company image . It's gotta say people have gotta look at this remote control and instantly recognise that it's a Real Reaction i product . 1551.54 1554.12 1560.87 ES2007b C MEE027 2 1551.116 1551.767 1551.52 1551.64 Mm . 1551.64 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1559.92 1564.695 1559.94 1564.33 But if it's a R_R_ , it would be Real Reaction , like if it had a symbol on it . 1561.22 1562.99 1564.33 ES2007b C MEE027 2 1560.16 1560.432 1560.18 1560.38 Mm . 1560.38 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1563.456 1566.016 1563.48 1565.93 There's loads of companies that called R_R_ . 1565.93 ES2007b C MEE027 2 1564.695 1565.437 1565.0 1565.33 Mm . 1565.33 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1566.88 1567.264 1566.9 1567.23 Whoa . 1567.23 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1567.216 1571.456 1567.25 1571.42 This is slog but this is the slogan , this is the the the the type . 1569.58 1571.42 ES2007b C MEE027 2 1570.72 1575.568 1570.93 1575.53 And this is something that came on down from from the higher ups , so , I mean , we are sort of beholden to them . 1573.97 1574.14 1574.37 1575.53 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1573.616 1574.192 1573.64 1574.01 Yeah . 1574.01 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1576.368 1577.68 1576.47 1577.59 So we have to have it one colour . 1577.59 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1577.904 1580.944 1578.06 1580.91 Well , not necessarily . But we have to incorporate it . 1578.27 1579.55 1580.91 ES2007b C MEE027 2 1578.403 1581.472 1578.57 1581.41 Not one colour , but the pattern needs to be recognisable . 1579.31 1581.41 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1582.096 1582.448 1582.12 1582.4 Mm . 1582.4 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1583.104 1604.288 1583.13 1603.98 Not necessarily even if i it just has to ye but you have to look at the product and instantly know that it's one of our products as opposed to a Sony product or a , you know , a Panasonic product . It's got to so maybe , so you can have a look at our our other products and see if they all follow a s similar vein , perhaps . 1593.61 1593.88 1595.35 1597.56 1603.06 1603.98 ES2007b B FEO026 1 1589.462 1590.586 1589.8 1590.586 Well you could - ES2007b D FEE028 3 1591.068 1591.561 1591.09 1591.38 Mm . 1591.38 ES2007b B FEO026 1 1596.656 1597.58 1596.76 1597.58 It could come - ES2007b B FEO026 1 1604.224 1615.584 1604.24 1615.584 But it could come in different colours and have the R_R_ colours just somewhere like just around the lock button could be the R_R_ logo or colours and - ES2007b A MEE025 0 1608.832 1609.296 1608.85 1609.26 Yeah . 1609.26 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1614.304 1615.008 1614.32 1614.77 Yeah . 1614.77 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1616.144 1616.448 1616.17 1616.41 Mm . 1616.41 ES2007b B FEO026 1 1617.36 1618.4 1617.38 1618.11 If . 1618.11 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1617.923 1621.088 1618.29 1620.95 Quite poss yeah . Well this is all your department . 1619.74 1620.95 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1623.769 1634.352 1623.98 1634.04 Mm okay . Well , well done everybody . And um , I think we uh stop for lunch now . 1626.41 1627.3 1628.92 1630.34 1634.04 ES2007b C MEE027 2 1626.269 1627.04 1626.269 1627.04 . 1627.04 ES2007b C MEE027 2 1633.125 1634.912 1633.29 1634.88 Yeah , pretty soon I think , I guess that's now . 1633.47 1634.28 1634.88 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1634.429 1636.512 1634.74 1636.42 Are we are we finished ahead of schedule ? 1636.42 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1636.528 1638.672 1636.62 1638.6 We might possibly have done . 1638.6 ES2007b B FEO026 1 1638.592 1638.992 1638.61 1638.96 Cool . 1638.96 ES2007b C MEE027 2 1639.202 1641.296 1639.58 1641.24 Alright , see you all soon . 1640.29 1641.24 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1640.256 1649.392 1640.256 1649.11 If we've if we've finished at five minutes before the meeting's supposed to finish , then that means we get an extra five minutes for lunch . 1646.92 1649.11 ES2007b D FEE028 3 1653.111 1654.64 1653.13 1654.57 'Kay uh . 1654.57 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1660.624 1662.199 1660.64 1662.11 Yeah , there you go . 1661.58 1662.11 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1669.741 1674.59 1669.87 1674.59 Right . I just have to there's a few little bits and pieces I have to write down , but 1670.82 1673.62 ES2007b A MEE025 0 1677.152 1682.928 1677.39 1680.04 Take your headsets off , kick back , smoke 'em if you got 'em . 1678.35 1679.21 1682.73 ES2007c D FEE028 3 5.211 6.287 5.43 6.23 Oh right okay . 6.23 ES2007c D FEE028 3 8.63 13.157 8.63 13.157 I cover myself up . 12.64 ES2007c A MEE025 0 13.872 20.07 14.09 20.07 I feel like Madonna with one of these on . I said I feel like Madonna with one of these on . 16.45 19.84 ES2007c D FEE028 3 18.368 20.562 18.368 20.562 . 20.562 ES2007c D FEE028 3 22.324 32.043 22.324 32.043 I've always wanted one of these , I really have . Where do you buy 'em from ? 24.33 27.87 31.77 ES2007c D FEE028 3 38.492 39.121 38.59 39.04 They're . 39.04 ES2007c A MEE025 0 77.12 93.824 77.14 93.67 Right . Hello everybody . Back again for another wonderful meeting . Is uh everyone ready ? Okay , we c we can hold on for a minute . 77.38 79.27 83.83 91.72 91.98 93.67 ES2007c C MEE027 2 78.608 79.312 78.63 79.01 Hello . 79.01 ES2007c B FEO026 1 79.261 80.507 79.261 80.507 . 80.507 ES2007c C MEE027 2 87.152 87.856 87.19 87.4 Yeah . 87.4 ES2007c D FEE028 3 88.88 89.664 88.9 89.55 Yeah . 89.55 ES2007c B FEO026 1 89.056 90.048 89.08 90.048 Almost . 89.91 ES2007c D FEE028 3 110.672 111.296 110.69 111.26 Oh my gosh . 111.26 ES2007c A MEE025 0 120.416 126.368 120.78 126.368 I figured with the spam thing , if you can't beat it , join in . 122.12 123.03 126.18 ES2007c C MEE027 2 126.224 128.749 126.32 128.55 That's the kind of spam that everybody likes to receive . 128.55 ES2007c B FEO026 1 141.888 142.176 141.93 142.11 Mm 'kay . 142.11 ES2007c A MEE025 0 143.241 145.696 143.26 145.26 Are you ready ? 145.26 ES2007c A MEE025 0 159.472 190.64 159.49 190.6 Okay , right , well , I take it that you are all ready now . Um alright first off we'll just uh recap from our last meeting . Um which was we got together just to basically decide on well to talk about what it is that we were actually uh supposed to be doing , and who we all are and stuff like that , mm get bit more of an idea together of what's going on . 159.9 160.15 160.45 163.55 171.59 182.1 187.29 190.6 ES2007c A MEE025 0 192.064 196.944 192.064 196.86 Um what we are gonna talk about in this meeting is um - ES2007c A MEE025 0 198.432 231.503 198.45 230.87 now that we know what it is that we are doing , now we know that it's a T_V_ remote and stuff and you guys have just been off doing some some uh R_ and D_ for that , that's research and development for those that haven't heard that before , see I'm learning all sorts of new technologi terms in technology today . Um yeah , we're gonna hear your uh th three little presentations , whether they be on computer or on the whiteboard or whatever you want . 200.15 209.75 214.45 218.25 220.59 225.11 230.87 ES2007c D FEE028 3 211.792 212.08 211.81 212.0 Mm-hmm . 212.0 ES2007c C MEE027 2 224.973 225.476 225.15 225.31 Hmm . 225.31 ES2007c C MEE027 2 230.88 233.04 230.88 233.0 Do you have any preference uh of order ? 233.0 ES2007c A MEE025 0 232.96 258.336 234.05 258.25 Um I'd like to um hear o I'd like to hear who's g who's on the um from from uh Catherine actually first . I want what I'd like to hear about is uh if we've finally decided on um what sort of energy we're gonna be using and 249.87 ES2007c D FEE028 3 256.22 257.025 256.34 256.92 Batteries . 256.92 ES2007c C MEE027 2 258.368 261.52 258.41 261.52 I think she is still finishing her . 261.23 ES2007c B FEO026 1 259.712 261.28 259.73 261.25 No no no no , it's fine I'm just preparing . 260.2 261.25 ES2007c A MEE025 0 261.52 264.128 261.55 263.82 It's just that yeah , let's let's hear from you first . 262.26 263.82 ES2007c C MEE027 2 263.16 263.635 263.35 263.49 Hmm . 263.49 ES2007c B FEO026 1 263.456 270.592 263.48 270.56 Okay . Where is that thing ? Oh sorry , couldn't see . 266.46 269.61 270.14 270.56 ES2007c C MEE027 2 267.216 269.472 267.26 269.472 Okay , it's uh 267.69 ES2007c D FEE028 3 268.544 269.088 268.56 268.91 It's here . 268.91 ES2007c B FEO026 1 277.116 278.624 277.14 278.33 Would that work ? 278.33 ES2007c A MEE025 0 279.888 283.024 279.97 283.024 Get yourself in position . 282.79 ES2007c B FEO026 1 281.6 322.544 281.6 322.544 Okay , so that's me again . Um so um for the energy sources we can have a basic battery , a hand dynamo which is which was used uh in the fifties for torches , if you remember that kind of which wouldn't be v wouldn't be v v yeah , yeah . It wouldn't be very fancy . You can have a kinetic provision of energy , which is used on some watches these days . So if you have just a bit of gentle movement that it will give it the energy to work . Or you can use solar cells , but I'm not sure about that indoors , really , but 285.34 287.69 295.45 300.32 305.58 306.13 307.57 309.87 312.39 317.5 319.69 321.39 322.01 ES2007c D FEE028 3 284.848 285.748 284.87 284.94 Ah . 284.94 ES2007c A MEE025 0 302.355 304.947 302.61 304.8 I don't think any of us remember the fifties . 304.8 ES2007c C MEE027 2 304.64 307.137 304.66 306.84 Is it like a crank thing or something . 306.84 ES2007c D FEE028 3 315.792 316.08 315.81 316.05 Mm . 316.05 ES2007c C MEE027 2 322.464 329.264 322.48 329.22 Well , there's sometimes combinations , I mean , like calculators do combinations of battery with but also using some solar power . 322.61 323.83 323.98 329.22 ES2007c B FEO026 1 324.944 325.28 324.96 325.25 Yeah . 325.25 ES2007c A MEE025 0 329.803 335.04 330.05 334.99 Do sol solar panel things , do they have to work from the sun or can they work from a light bulb ? 332.14 334.99 ES2007c D FEE028 3 330.471 331.003 330.52 330.81 Mm . 330.81 ES2007c B FEO026 1 337.12 338.374 337.14 338.13 I dunno actually . 338.13 ES2007c A MEE025 0 337.392 338.272 337.41 338.24 Does anybody know ? 338.24 ES2007c C MEE027 2 339.312 342.576 339.38 342.52 Uh I think , it has to be on the on the solar energy , but I don't know . 339.83 341.88 342.52 ES2007c B FEO026 1 343.597 344.336 343.93 344.3 I dunno . 344.3 ES2007c B FEO026 1 345.52 346.448 345.54 346.19 Um . 346.19 ES2007c B FEO026 1 347.888 366.512 347.93 366.26 Think the the uh what would cost the less would be the basic battery , really . And uh if we want something fancier , I think the kinetic provision of energy could be nice , but I don't know if it's worth the cost . So we've got to discuss that . 352.86 353.72 356.93 360.89 364.77 366.26 ES2007c A MEE025 0 349.792 350.272 349.81 350.23 Okay . 350.23 ES2007c D FEE028 3 353.52 353.997 353.59 353.85 Mm . 353.85 ES2007c A MEE025 0 366.784 367.248 366.83 367.2 Mm . 367.2 ES2007c A MEE025 0 368.8 370.672 368.82 370.58 Okay , jolly good . 369.76 370.58 ES2007c B FEO026 1 370.624 384.16 370.624 384.16 For the case of the remotes itself , um they can be a general case , which is just a flat one . You can have uh a curved one or a double curved one , if you know what I mean , so 374.75 376.53 378.33 382.68 383.78 ES2007c A MEE025 0 384.482 386.065 384.58 385.91 What's a double curved one ? 385.91 ES2007c B FEO026 1 386.725 392.48 386.77 392.45 You know , kind of more ergonomic , that kind of suits the palm of your hand , that kind of thing . 387.43 388.81 391.82 392.45 ES2007c B FEO026 1 393.226 393.904 393.52 393.904 So - ES2007c A MEE025 0 393.88 394.62 393.96 394.37 Okay . 394.37 ES2007c B FEO026 1 398.24 408.496 398.24 408.34 Um then the case material itself , so it can be uh uh either plastic or latex , 401.94 408.34 ES2007c B FEO026 1 409.504 443.552 409.52 443.552 uh rubber , wood , or titanium . And th for each of them you have uh cases where for example titanium , you can't use it for if you if we're choosing a double curved case , we can't choose titanium . And if we are choosing um solar cells then we can't choose latex for the case material , so we just have to take that into account . But if we're choosing just the flat case then we can go for anything . And I think we discussed earlier on the R_ S_ I_ problem thing , so we could uh 410.75 411.14 411.86 417.72 422.6 424.28 430.36 432.98 437.3 442.33 ES2007c A MEE025 0 443.155 451.12 443.46 450.46 So that might be an idea of using the rubber , but then it should , you know yeah . 446.8 447.6 450.46 ES2007c B FEO026 1 445.212 445.742 445.35 445.64 Yeah . 445.64 ES2007c C MEE027 2 448.24 450.848 448.32 450.848 Let's have a squeezable remote . 450.59 ES2007c B FEO026 1 450.0 453.924 450.02 453.924 Yeah . And also it doesn't break as easily maybe , I dunno 451.08 453.5 ES2007c A MEE025 0 453.584 464.275 453.584 464.0 when a T_V_ programme's got one watching the match and your team's just lost , you can fuzz it across the room and it'll bounce off the wall back at you . Yeah , I like that idea . 458.79 462.82 463.15 464.0 ES2007c D FEE028 3 461.216 461.943 461.32 461.85 Yeah . 461.85 ES2007c D FEE028 3 465.776 466.131 465.81 466.06 Mm . 466.06 ES2007c B FEO026 1 467.368 468.768 467.57 468.768 So rubber would be - ES2007c B FEO026 1 469.864 470.74 469.99 470.54 Okay . 470.54 ES2007c D FEE028 3 470.096 471.116 470.12 471.116 I think rubber's - ES2007c A MEE025 0 472.188 476.528 472.31 476.49 Rubber , we're all we're all going we're all liking that idea ? You think you can market that ? 472.9 475.41 476.49 ES2007c D FEE028 3 476.112 481.864 476.13 481.864 But after my after my fashion thing , I think you'll realise that rubber is more 479.16 ES2007c B FEO026 1 482.087 485.616 482.14 485.58 Uh s so if d okay . 485.58 ES2007c A MEE025 0 482.066 486.106 482.15 486.106 Ooh , we like rubber , ooh . 482.54 483.32 485.09 ES2007c D FEE028 3 483.898 486.656 484.05 486.656 People . 486.53 ES2007c B FEO026 1 487.008 500.288 487.03 500.25 And then there are the push-buttons , so you can have basic push-buttons or a scroll-wheels , like you have on a mouse , um or you could have um L_C_D_ , which gives you a display . 488.96 492.32 494.32 498.96 500.25 ES2007c B FEO026 1 501.696 504.602 501.72 504.5 Um scroll buttons , as well . 503.93 504.5 ES2007c A MEE025 0 506.298 506.972 506.52 506.88 Uh-huh . 506.88 ES2007c B FEO026 1 506.976 523.784 507.0 523.6 So if you use a rubber double curved case , you must use rubber push-buttons . So if we're going for rubber then we have to decide for the case . Um and if we choose double curved then we have to go for rubber push-buttons . So it's a constraint . 509.89 513.79 517.67 522.72 523.6 ES2007c A MEE025 0 522.805 526.656 522.92 526.656 Well , we're gonna go with I think we've decided that it's gonna be a rubber case so 523.23 ES2007c B FEO026 1 525.926 534.336 526.08 534.3 Yeah , but is it a double curved one or not ? If it's not a double curved , then we've got the choice for the push-buttons , if it's a double curve , we've gotta go for rubber push-buttons . 526.31 528.75 529.8 531.57 532.5 534.3 ES2007c B FEO026 1 535.68 536.56 535.7 536.52 If that makes sense . 536.52 ES2007c A MEE025 0 537.755 540.992 537.755 540.54 push buttons instead of the wheel ? 540.54 ES2007c B FEO026 1 541.024 542.528 541.04 542.4 Yeah . . 542.4 542.4 ES2007c C MEE027 2 541.584 561.619 541.6 561.619 If it's rubber , isn't it malleable anyway , it doesn't matter if it's double I mean isn't a rubber case , mean it's completely flexed , I mean , it it flexes to whatever they want it to ? Mean so what's the difference between a normal rubber case and a rubble doub double rubber double curved case ? 542.23 543.5 546.19 547.96 548.16 551.58 561.22 ES2007c A MEE025 0 555.024 558.3 555.024 558.3 rubble double double . 558.15 ES2007c B FEO026 1 555.808 560.253 555.83 560.18 No , but na le you see , you've got , okay , the energy that's one thing , 556.04 558.03 558.4 558.68 560.18 ES2007c A MEE025 0 559.296 561.712 559.42 561.712 I'll have a Big Mac , please . 560.25 561.65 ES2007c B FEO026 1 561.388 592.304 561.64 592.2 then you have the case is uh , whether it's flat or curved . And that's we don't care if it's rub rubber or not , but then we've decided that we going for rubber for the case material . So if we've chosen rub rubber and if now we have the choice for the case whether it's flat , single curved or double curved . And I'm just saying if it if we choose it to be double curved then we need to go I dunno why , but we need to go for uh rubber push-buttons . 564.4 566.83 569.85 575.22 582.98 585.42 589.89 592.2 ES2007c C MEE027 2 593.312 593.696 593.37 593.65 Okay . 593.65 ES2007c B FEO026 1 593.616 596.016 593.76 596.016 So , either 595.27 ES2007c B FEO026 1 597.344 600.916 597.36 600.79 I dunno we just need to decide on the on the case . 600.79 ES2007c A MEE025 0 599.792 601.469 599.81 601.32 Let's have rubber push buttons , hey . 601.09 601.32 ES2007c C MEE027 2 601.68 604.736 601.7 604.61 Okay . Go rubber . Go rubber the whole way . 602.5 603.69 604.61 ES2007c B FEO026 1 603.697 639.456 603.77 639.34 Let's go crazy . And then , do I have a last slide ? Yes , I do . Um so the push-buttons themselves they can be just simple or they can be so that's just the electronics between the but behind the push-buttons . Um and the price that go with it with it , so the simple push-buttons are gonna be the cheapest . Uh if we get a scroll-wheel , that's a higher price range . If we get an advanced chip which is um used for the L_C_D_ , the display thing , then that's even more expensive . 605.93 606.45 607.71 608.09 609.48 618.09 621.56 625.5 627.53 630.12 636.96 637.74 639.34 ES2007c A MEE025 0 617.136 617.6 617.16 617.44 Yeah . 617.44 ES2007c A MEE025 0 643.856 644.96 643.93 644.79 Simple , yeah . 644.58 644.79 ES2007c A MEE025 0 646.928 650.912 646.95 650.78 Chip on print . It's a bit . 649.59 650.78 ES2007c A MEE025 0 662.464 665.312 662.56 665.25 Okay , uh what I'm not understanding here 663.28 ES2007c B FEO026 1 665.632 665.952 665.67 665.9 Mm . 665.9 ES2007c A MEE025 0 666.266 680.576 666.266 680.49 is uh , okay , advanced chip on print , which I presume is like one P_C_B_ and that's got all the electronics on one board including the um infra-red sender ? 667.52 667.87 670.13 680.49 ES2007c B FEO026 1 674.328 674.867 674.328 674.867 . 674.867 ES2007c B FEO026 1 676.304 676.582 676.32 676.55 Yeah . 676.55 ES2007c B FEO026 1 679.072 679.679 679.09 679.61 The infra-red . 679.61 ES2007c B FEO026 1 680.512 680.912 680.53 680.86 Yeah . 680.86 ES2007c A MEE025 0 681.568 687.008 681.59 686.96 Right . Um what a what alternatives do we have to that ? 682.24 686.96 ES2007c A MEE025 0 689.057 693.936 689.057 693.39 Y um what alternatives do we have to the chip on print ? 693.39 ES2007c B FEO026 1 692.32 703.104 692.34 703.104 Well , if if it's not chip on print then , I guess , you get different chip components , and you build them separately and doesn't include the infra-red . It's less expensive mm 692.68 694.83 695.22 697.66 701.39 ES2007c A MEE025 0 704.208 705.568 704.208 705.568 so it sounds - ES2007c B FEO026 1 705.007 708.592 705.16 708.592 Technically speaking , it's not as advanced , but it does the job , too . 706.01 707.0 707.75 708.39 ES2007c A MEE025 0 709.536 726.768 709.78 726.69 So , why would we not go for that ? If it's something that's inside the the unit . I it doesn't affects whether the customer's gonna buy it or not . Um we wanna go for an i i all so long as it works , 710.34 713.41 716.46 720.96 726.69 ES2007c B FEO026 1 713.684 714.266 713.94 714.15 Fo - ES2007c B FEO026 1 716.288 717.532 716.31 717.38 It doesn't , yeah , yeah , yeah . 716.79 717.01 717.26 717.38 ES2007c B FEO026 1 718.337 719.043 718.44 718.88 Totally . 718.88 ES2007c B FEO026 1 720.32 720.688 720.34 720.65 Yeah . 720.65 ES2007c B FEO026 1 723.008 724.265 723.03 724.265 So let's not go for the - ES2007c B FEO026 1 727.36 729.07 727.38 728.94 Yeah , yeah . I agree . 727.64 728.42 728.94 ES2007c A MEE025 0 728.096 732.896 728.29 732.86 you know . So let's not let's uh not bother with the chip on print . 730.05 732.86 ES2007c B FEO026 1 733.303 736.816 733.32 736.78 So it's either um the scroll-wheel or the push-buttons . 736.78 ES2007c A MEE025 0 739.86 740.365 739.92 740.17 Yeah . 740.17 ES2007c A MEE025 0 741.376 743.67 741.62 743.33 S yeah , push buttons . 742.67 743.33 ES2007c D FEE028 3 743.2 745.696 743.22 745.63 What about the just developed uh sample sensor ? 745.63 ES2007c C MEE027 2 743.92 745.247 743.94 745.247 I think push-buttons is - ES2007c A MEE025 0 747.671 748.304 747.69 748.27 What about what ? 748.27 ES2007c D FEE028 3 748.816 752.844 748.84 752.56 G there , the sample sensor , sample speaker thing . 749.78 751.08 752.56 ES2007c B FEO026 1 751.174 751.76 751.24 751.76 Well - ES2007c A MEE025 0 752.452 755.136 752.51 754.97 Well , what do we need a speaker for in a remote control unit ? 752.62 754.97 ES2007c D FEE028 3 755.664 756.512 755.69 756.46 Mm , I dunno . 756.08 756.46 ES2007c D FEE028 3 757.744 761.428 757.77 761.428 Be cool . Channel two . 759.35 761.3 ES2007c B FEO026 1 758.768 765.68 759.16 765.68 It'd be it'd be cool , but they are saying they've just developed it , I'm just guessing . But it's gonna be the most expensive option , probably and 760.19 762.23 762.96 764.95 ES2007c C MEE027 2 759.496 760.0 759.68 759.97 Yeah . 759.97 ES2007c A MEE025 0 763.022 763.645 763.31 763.45 S - ES2007c C MEE027 2 766.256 774.222 766.28 774.222 Th the the speech recognition um option is it doesn't seem really very promising for us uh , 'cause uh 773.58 ES2007c A MEE025 0 772.768 776.487 772.79 776.35 Yeah . It's not something that we wanna t go into with this product . 773.6 776.35 ES2007c C MEE027 2 775.526 783.024 775.63 783.024 The yeah the example that they're already using it for is with the coffee machine , where , basically , you can program a sample wi um 779.18 779.87 780.27 ES2007c C MEE027 2 784.096 817.103 784.12 817.103 That when you say something it will give a response , and you program the response as well . Just uh clips of tha that you record yourself . So you can program your coffee-maker that when you say , good morning , to it it says , hello Rick , or whatever . But , I mean , it's not it would be one thing if it was speech recognition where you say something and it turns the T_V_ on like , turn the T_V_ on , and i turns comes on , but it's not that . It just gives you a it just gives you a verbal response . So , yeah , I mean , like what's the point of saying , Hello remote , I mean , hello , how how are you ? Yeah , if you're really lonely , it is it's 785.86 787.36 790.59 792.73 793.19 794.74 795.33 796.39 796.64 797.18 802.29 802.95 804.1 804.79 808.01 808.18 808.32 809.12 810.15 810.91 811.17 811.71 815.45 815.62 816.35 ES2007c A MEE025 0 796.112 798.667 796.13 798.667 Yeah . 798.51 ES2007c B FEO026 1 797.986 798.48 798.16 798.36 Hm . 798.36 ES2007c D FEE028 3 805.184 806.496 805.2 806.42 Oh , it just gives an answer . 805.36 806.42 ES2007c D FEE028 3 808.48 809.37 808.5 809.37 Oh , then then 808.72 ES2007c A MEE025 0 809.888 810.574 809.91 810.36 Yeah . 810.36 ES2007c A MEE025 0 811.376 813.249 811.4 813.249 Yeah . 813.16 ES2007c D FEE028 3 812.416 815.051 812.44 815.051 I thought I thought it was when they said - ES2007c B FEO026 1 812.797 817.459 812.797 817.459 Just if you are really lonely , maybe . 815.53 817.15 ES2007c D FEE028 3 816.27 829.364 816.36 829.27 I thought when they said , voice recognition , they meant um like , channel five , and it will change . Like you talk to it . Can I have channel five ? Oh , then forget about it . Oh right okay . 817.24 818.23 821.16 821.87 822.72 823.74 827.01 827.65 828.63 829.27 ES2007c B FEO026 1 820.416 823.31 820.44 823.26 Channel five . And then it switches on . 821.97 823.26 ES2007c C MEE027 2 822.08 830.336 822.1 830.3 No , tha that w that w that would be more promising . It it's just a remote that talks to you . Uh . I mean to certain cues . 822.59 824.89 826.96 829.15 830.3 ES2007c A MEE025 0 824.591 825.269 824.75 825.19 Yeah . 825.19 ES2007c A MEE025 0 827.012 828.496 827.34 828.45 Yeah . Yeah . 827.97 828.45 ES2007c A MEE025 0 830.64 831.76 830.66 831.41 Yeah . 831.41 ES2007c B FEO026 1 831.429 840.416 831.55 840.416 Okay , so I'll go back , maybe , to the previous slide and we can decide for each problem , what we should choose . So for the energy source , do we go for the battery or the 831.86 832.75 833.06 835.88 837.1 838.55 ES2007c C MEE027 2 837.097 837.744 837.38 837.58 'Kay . 837.58 ES2007c C MEE027 2 842.64 844.416 842.66 844.35 Yeah , I'm fine with the basic battery . 843.01 844.35 ES2007c A MEE025 0 844.284 849.139 844.39 848.96 Basic battery . It's cheap , it's cheerful , it's worked , does work . 845.66 846.37 847.11 848.16 848.96 ES2007c D FEE028 3 844.436 845.007 844.64 844.94 Mm . 844.94 ES2007c C MEE027 2 849.424 849.664 849.5 849.61 Hmm . 849.61 ES2007c B FEO026 1 850.176 856.848 850.25 856.18 Cheaper option . Are you happy with that ? Okay . So we'll go for the battery . 851.04 852.71 854.32 856.18 ES2007c D FEE028 3 850.958 852.08 851.12 852.05 Mm . Yeah . 851.82 852.05 ES2007c B FEO026 1 858.246 863.558 858.34 863.49 Then the case , do you want it flat or curved or sing or double curved ? 859.34 863.49 ES2007c A MEE025 0 862.336 866.64 862.36 866.61 We were go we were going with the late with the the R_S_I_ rubber , weren't we ? 866.22 866.61 ES2007c C MEE027 2 866.028 874.649 866.25 874.649 Yeah , so we want it rub rubber double curved . 866.5 874.48 ES2007c A MEE025 0 869.212 871.355 869.45 871.355 The the - ES2007c D FEE028 3 870.335 872.898 870.62 872.77 So it will look like something like this . 872.77 ES2007c B FEO026 1 871.456 871.856 871.48 871.82 Double ? 871.82 ES2007c A MEE025 0 871.968 873.264 871.99 873.1 The double whopper , please . 872.72 873.1 ES2007c B FEO026 1 873.392 882.048 873.42 882.0 Okay , so then if we use double curved case , then we have to u choose rubber push-buttons , and that's fine ? 873.79 878.35 881.43 882.0 ES2007c A MEE025 0 876.548 880.5 876.83 880.34 Yep , but we're going for the simple buttons . 877.6 880.34 ES2007c C MEE027 2 880.208 881.936 880.23 881.9 So rubber rubber keys , yeah . 881.63 881.9 ES2007c A MEE025 0 881.36 898.976 881.38 898.81 Yeah . And it's cheapest all round , it sounds kinda funky , and we can also market it as i 'cause we were s saying earl you were saying earlier in your research that um the the people have the R_ people were getting the complaining about R_S_I_ , and this is anti-R_S_I_ . 882.2 884.43 886.53 897.45 898.81 ES2007c B FEO026 1 886.484 887.138 886.7 886.92 P - ES2007c C MEE027 2 886.88 887.436 887.08 887.31 Yeah . 887.31 ES2007c D FEE028 3 892.624 893.648 892.624 893.648 . 893.648 ES2007c D FEE028 3 899.024 899.54 899.04 899.45 Yeah . 899.45 ES2007c B FEO026 1 899.456 899.856 899.48 899.82 Yeah . 899.82 ES2007c A MEE025 0 900.304 902.736 900.32 902.7 So that's another marketing point that we can use . 902.7 ES2007c D FEE028 3 902.896 904.4 902.92 904.35 Well the rubber push-buttons . 904.35 ES2007c D FEE028 3 906.032 907.183 906.05 907.183 Don't you have to move your - ES2007c A MEE025 0 906.153 908.694 906.53 908.56 But anything is gonna have buttons . 908.56 ES2007c D FEE028 3 909.92 910.4 909.95 910.29 Mm . 910.29 ES2007c A MEE025 0 910.592 913.408 910.61 913.34 Even if it's a jog wheel , it's still repetitive . 911.87 913.34 ES2007c B FEO026 1 914.8 917.408 914.82 917.408 I thought they would give an option of flat buttons or a - ES2007c A MEE025 0 914.856 915.475 915.13 915.475 You - ES2007c A MEE025 0 917.728 930.752 917.75 930.23 You see , you can still get it does you still get repetitive strain injury , whether you are pressing a button or pressing a flat bit of screen . It's the v it's the fact that you are pressing the same doing the same movement . It's not actually what you are doing . 918.09 921.19 924.78 928.55 930.23 ES2007c B FEO026 1 918.172 919.812 918.28 919.812 That they don't . 919.73 ES2007c C MEE027 2 925.566 926.223 925.566 926.223 . 926.223 ES2007c B FEO026 1 925.536 926.133 925.63 926.09 Mm . 926.09 ES2007c A MEE025 0 933.808 940.99 933.86 940.99 But the fact that this this rubber i is actually used in these anti-R_S_I_ ps specific - ES2007c D FEE028 3 939.654 941.776 940.05 941.74 Mm . Yeah , the rubber's good . 941.06 941.22 941.74 ES2007c C MEE027 2 940.893 944.633 941.27 944.34 Yeah . We're giving them a way to burn off steam , basically , yeah . 942.05 943.53 944.06 944.34 ES2007c A MEE025 0 944.112 944.768 944.13 944.56 Yeah . 944.56 ES2007c D FEE028 3 945.04 946.72 945.06 946.72 Yeah , so they can sit there and go like 945.24 ES2007c C MEE027 2 946.736 950.07 946.736 949.96 Not that watching T_V_ should be that stressful . 949.96 ES2007c A MEE025 0 949.616 956.944 949.64 956.59 And you know , yeah , you can fuzz it across the room and throw it at throw it at your children yeah . 950.45 950.69 956.59 ES2007c C MEE027 2 952.139 956.285 952.139 956.14 Oh yeah , I guess T_V_ can be stressful , yeah , if you're watching sports . 953.83 955.18 955.3 956.14 ES2007c B FEO026 1 956.864 959.109 956.88 957.8 Alright , that's me done . 957.23 957.8 ES2007c C MEE027 2 958.24 958.768 958.27 958.58 Alright . 958.58 ES2007c A MEE025 0 958.144 964.56 958.35 964.4 Okay , Gabriel . Let's um let's let's hear from you about the um it's the interface . 958.68 959.41 964.4 ES2007c C MEE027 2 960.062 960.747 960.25 960.71 Alright . 960.71 ES2007c C MEE027 2 965.36 969.77 965.38 969.69 Yeah , some of what I have to say ties into what Catherine was just talking about . 965.69 969.69 ES2007c A MEE025 0 969.491 970.384 969.67 970.1 Great . 970.1 ES2007c B FEO026 1 970.222 971.005 970.28 970.83 Sorry . 970.83 ES2007c C MEE027 2 990.208 1032.72 990.23 1032.64 Okay , so I'm continuing with the user interface uh topic . And so basically I consulted with our manufacturing division . It sounded like Catherine was also speaking with them . Uh I also took uh Reissa's marketing findings from the last meeting into consideration um , 'cause I think that's that's crucial as far as uh what keys we're going to inc inclu what buttons we are going to include and and how they're laid out . Uh and so the manufacturing division uh sent some some samples of of uh interface components that we might be interested in using that have been used in other products , uh like the coffee machine . 990.61 995.74 1000.35 1004.34 1012.15 1021.08 1031.09 1032.64 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1020.816 1021.072 1020.84 1021.02 Mm . 1021.02 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1034.112 1042.08 1034.65 1042.04 So I already mentioned the speech recognition interface . I guess , we we basically vetoed that idea . It's it's pointless . 1037.66 1038.03 1040.88 1042.04 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1042.064 1043.008 1042.09 1042.53 Mm . 1042.53 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1043.296 1077.632 1043.32 1077.6 Uh it's just a sample sensor sample output . It would just be probably the most expensive part of our remote without any actual interesting functionality as far as operating the T_V_ . Uh so yeah , they they also give the uh they they suggested the idea of using a spinning wheel like you use on the side of an M_P_ three player like iPod . Um so we've already addressed that and I think that would actually be worse for something like R_S_I_ I mean you got that thumb movement that you're constantly doing . Um the other suggestion , and I I have a feeling that 1046.15 1055.62 1056.59 1064.57 1072.68 1075.63 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1062.144 1062.522 1062.18 1062.49 Mm . 1062.49 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1062.56 1063.105 1062.58 1062.91 Mm . 1062.91 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1069.984 1070.578 1070.04 1070.45 Yeah . 1070.45 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1070.432 1071.133 1070.45 1070.99 Mm . 1070.99 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1072.208 1073.728 1072.28 1073.32 That does get annoying . 1073.32 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1078.72 1110.448 1078.74 1110.448 we're interested in in something more general , but they suggested uh , you know , going i a little bit into a a niche , like either gearing our remote towards kids , where you could have lot of colours um , the keys might be you know , funny or or , or uh something for the elderly , where the remote's very large and the buttons are very large and there's only a few buttons . But you know we can we can discuss this , but it sounded like from our last meeting we really wanted something that was general , but done well . Uh um 1080.58 1083.25 1083.47 1085.27 1087.23 1090.48 1091.93 1093.64 1097.23 1101.7 1104.16 1107.37 1108.27 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1094.016 1094.384 1094.04 1094.33 Mm-hmm . 1094.33 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1108.196 1109.083 1108.44 1108.95 Yeah . 1108.95 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1111.68 1129.344 1111.7 1129.23 So , the key layout and design are really crucial . You don't want uh you want people to be able to quickly access the buttons that they use a lot without uh always pressing the wrong one um . And I didn't mention that we need a power button in our last I can give you an example here of uh , good layout and bad layout 1112.26 1114.21 1122.25 1127.99 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1131.008 1131.712 1131.21 1131.59 uh - ES2007c C MEE027 2 1133.264 1142.924 1133.4 1142.75 from our manufacturing department . So this would be an example of bad layout , where you have volume up and volume down , but they have a V_ on both of them , so uh 1136.63 1138.99 1140.64 1142.06 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1139.712 1140.476 1139.73 1140.39 Yeah . 1140.39 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1142.336 1142.832 1142.36 1142.77 Yeah . 1142.77 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1143.504 1159.104 1143.53 1159.01 it's sort of confusing for the user . Uh this is the example of the giant remote that's impossible to lose . And for something for kids . 1147.59 1157.63 1159.01 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1148.384 1150.351 1148.4 1150.17 Do we have an uh example of a good one ? 1150.17 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1153.056 1156.656 1153.056 1156.17 Brilliant . 1156.17 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1153.046 1154.244 1153.34 1153.79 Uh-huh . 1153.79 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1156.864 1157.44 1156.88 1157.44 Well - ES2007c C MEE027 2 1160.416 1162.856 1160.44 1162.78 Yeah . Um . 1162.1 1162.78 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1162.092 1163.2 1162.28 1162.9 Yeah . 1162.9 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1165.232 1166.272 1165.25 1166.18 And so , 1166.18 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1167.28 1191.216 1167.3 1191.16 yeah , I th I think my personal preferences of we've all kind of talked about and seemed to be on the same page um . Uh so I was against the speech recognition and against going uh towards anything in in a niche sense . I think it should be more general . I didn't I didn't think the spinning-wheel or the uh L_C_ display were were crucial for us . And , yeah , that's it for me . 1167.71 1174.75 1181.16 1182.85 1188.76 1189.4 1190.35 1191.16 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1182.544 1182.928 1182.57 1182.84 Mm-hmm . 1182.84 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1191.647 1200.128 1191.67 1200.128 Okay . Well let's um so w what are our definite decisions on this then as a team ? The um 1192.2 1199.41 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1201.872 1205.936 1201.9 1205.936 The the um the interface type we're going for - ES2007c C MEE027 2 1207.788 1215.952 1207.92 1215.92 So we're we're not gonna have any sort of display I think uh . So , yeah , it's just gonna be just gonna be push-buttons . Um . 1211.96 1212.14 1212.32 1215.28 1215.92 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1211.141 1214.672 1211.47 1214.63 Just the simple s simple straight set of buttons . 1214.63 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1217.104 1225.6 1217.15 1225.22 I think we shall have a limited number of buttons , ideally , I mean a a power , channel up , channel down , volume up , volume down , and a numerical keypad . 1220.0 1220.39 1221.71 1222.2 1222.67 1223.06 1223.8 1225.22 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1220.427 1220.912 1220.45 1220.81 Yeah . 1220.81 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1223.01 1224.112 1223.21 1223.78 Yeah . 1223.78 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1226.848 1227.392 1226.92 1227.3 Uh . 1227.3 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1228.528 1235.948 1228.55 1235.86 And some sort of it will either have a a lock button like we mentioned or or a cover or something like that . I guess it's to the point where we need to decide about that . 1233.78 1235.86 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1233.28 1233.808 1233.3 1233.77 Yeah . 1233.77 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1236.239 1244.384 1236.27 1244.12 Okay , and we're not yeah . Are we gonna hav hav an are we d have we decided on whether 1236.77 1239.65 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1238.88 1240.202 1238.9 1240.202 Well now that we've decided on our - ES2007c A MEE025 0 1246.229 1255.056 1246.36 1255.056 w we're gonna s supplement it with anything , you know , colours or particular gimmicky bits to it , we're not we're just gonna go for something 1249.0 1249.57 1253.28 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1257.088 1263.936 1257.11 1263.936 Um it seems like we wouldn't wanna make it too busy and too sort of gaudy , but um 1262.51 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1257.68 1257.888 1257.7 1257.888 We're - ES2007c D FEE028 3 1258.1 1259.65 1258.46 1259.65 Maybe we can - ES2007c C MEE027 2 1265.904 1274.464 1265.92 1274.3 Yeah , I would say mayb maybe a couple of colours like uh like a black with with yellow and somewhere , like maybe the R_R_ can be yellow , or something like that . 1266.03 1271.06 1272.82 1274.3 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1271.816 1272.813 1271.96 1272.54 Yeah . 1272.54 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1274.72 1279.776 1274.74 1279.73 Yeah . Okay . Okey-dokey . 1275.26 1277.95 1279.73 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1280.832 1282.976 1280.85 1282.92 Yeah , I don't have any other questions on this . 1281.11 1282.92 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1284.448 1285.788 1284.55 1285.788 Let's move over to - ES2007c C MEE027 2 1285.104 1313.424 1285.12 1313.39 I I guess the fact uh also that we are having a rubber case uh would prevent us from having the cover function that we thought of before . I mean , 'cause uh s so if we wanna have a lock of some sort it would have to be a button . But I think that should be I mean um , I can speak with the button department , but uh I think that it should be easy to have a button that just prevents prevents the other uh the other buttons from operating . So that should be simple . 1295.37 1295.68 1300.22 1304.08 1306.11 1312.6 1313.39 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1295.84 1297.12 1295.86 1297.08 Yeah , sure . 1296.58 1297.08 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1298.265 1299.328 1298.265 1299.328 . 1299.328 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1308.432 1310.848 1308.45 1310.72 Yeah , the button that just does that , yeah . 1308.86 1310.29 1310.72 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1315.84 1316.55 1315.86 1316.22 Cool . 1316.22 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1328.064 1328.576 1328.08 1328.53 Right . 1328.53 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1333.616 1339.232 1333.92 1339.18 Well , I'm just basically letting you know what's happening in the markets 1334.46 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1339.554 1340.176 1339.71 1340.06 Mm yeah . 1340.06 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1340.24 1344.768 1340.36 1344.73 and what the fashions are for next year . Um . 1344.07 1344.73 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1346.109 1375.84 1346.22 1375.84 So yes , so from looking at this year's trends and fashions and also recent investigation that we've done in the remote control market , we have found that for the remote control market these are like most important aspects like that we really need to which we've already probably discussed . Um the most important aspect is look and feel . So the remote control has to look and feel fancier than the ones that already that we already have . So it has to be 1347.83 1357.13 1365.24 1369.77 1374.7 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1350.928 1351.392 1350.97 1351.35 Mm-hmm . 1351.35 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1375.76 1379.856 1375.78 1379.56 Yeah , why should people buy this when they're already got a remote that came with the T_V_ ? 1376.01 1379.56 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1376.491 1376.926 1376.51 1376.72 Yep . 1376.72 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1377.713 1387.712 1377.85 1387.712 Exactly . Um second , uh it should be technologically innovative innovative . So 1380.11 1382.29 1387.0 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1377.7 1378.292 1377.94 1378.09 Mm . 1378.09 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1379.776 1380.128 1379.8 1380.08 Yeah . 1380.08 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1388.88 1389.92 1389.03 1389.71 What's that mean ? 1389.71 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1389.84 1399.442 1389.84 1399.26 Technologically it should be like um work , basically , I guess . It should work . 1397.4 1397.8 1398.67 1399.26 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1399.056 1405.797 1399.14 1405.72 Well it should be it should be maybe cutting edge in some sense , I mean have something that's little more technologically advanced than what's on the market . 1401.95 1405.72 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1400.081 1400.783 1400.26 1400.783 Should - ES2007c D FEE028 3 1403.728 1404.371 1403.75 1404.33 That's new . 1404.33 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1404.8 1411.072 1404.84 1411.04 Okay , now the trouble is is we've already decided that we're going with the stuff that works already , that's cheap . 1405.46 1410.33 1411.04 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1405.179 1405.72 1405.33 1405.66 Yeah . 1405.66 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1406.784 1407.405 1406.91 1407.21 Yeah . 1407.21 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1410.416 1424.944 1410.44 1424.58 Yeah . Actually , I mean , these first two points we've already sort of gone away from , 'cause our rubber one is not fancy I mean it's different , but I wouldn't say like a rubber remote is fancy . If that's what people want then we maybe we're going in the wrong direction . And it's it's not technologically innovative either . 1411.29 1411.59 1411.75 1413.79 1416.59 1418.95 1421.73 1424.58 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1411.232 1411.981 1411.42 1411.9 Yeah . 1411.9 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1414.125 1414.775 1414.32 1414.57 Mm . 1414.57 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1414.336 1414.772 1414.36 1414.74 Yeah . 1414.74 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1425.424 1427.272 1425.44 1427.272 So , no loose 1426.65 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1425.744 1428.096 1425.87 1428.096 Maybe we could um - ES2007c C MEE027 2 1425.844 1426.314 1425.99 1426.15 Mm . 1426.15 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1428.944 1445.872 1428.96 1445.84 That's why I was thinking , Bluetooth , 'cause if you like put up Bluetooth , and it's like a Bluetooth remote control , everybody's gonna like , oh , 'cause Bluetooth is the in thing nowadays , like it really is , like people and um when it comes to marketing like that's what people go for , they don't really care whether , you know , 1429.61 1430.22 1431.87 1433.45 1434.1 1434.86 1437.02 1439.0 1443.41 1445.38 1445.84 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1446.854 1449.984 1447.02 1449.86 at the end of the day whether it works properly or not . 1449.86 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1450.256 1456.448 1450.29 1456.32 Of course , they do . One hundred per cent , that's your first thing , you go , oh I'm not gonna buy that , 'cause I dunno if it works or not . 1450.68 1451.99 1452.86 1453.72 1454.14 1455.17 1456.32 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1450.932 1453.1 1451.07 1453.1 Well , they do , but it's like it's not 1451.26 1451.72 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1456.368 1463.216 1456.39 1463.216 Yeah , but it looks good . If it looks good and it's it can just be there for decoration . 1456.55 1457.52 1462.47 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1463.136 1467.12 1463.16 1467.03 Okay , well , what do you two think about this ? 1463.99 1465.48 1467.03 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1467.2 1470.928 1467.22 1470.86 So is is the advantage of Bluetooth that you can just like synchronise it with other - ES2007c D FEE028 3 1467.99 1468.976 1468.12 1468.976 But like - ES2007c C MEE027 2 1471.607 1472.545 1471.63 1472.46 electronics ? 1472.46 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1471.68 1473.921 1471.7 1473.89 Yeah , what I don't understand what m 1471.9 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1472.867 1475.184 1473.1 1474.47 You could always insert , yeah . 1474.05 1474.47 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1475.104 1476.72 1475.12 1476.69 Yeah , that's basically what it allows you to do , right ? 1475.24 1476.51 1476.69 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1476.96 1482.064 1477.0 1482.01 Yeah , and it this is just gonna all this is being used for is your television . 1477.62 1482.01 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1482.752 1485.988 1483.17 1485.988 Yeah , but , I mean , people like 1483.41 1484.18 1485.08 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1485.248 1491.273 1485.27 1491.21 It would that would mean you'd need a television that has Bluetooth in it , which no no television does , does it ? 1489.18 1490.8 1491.21 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1489.268 1500.736 1489.41 1500.64 Well , if you're looking at if you looking at something that's going to be bought by people , you have to make it new , you have to make it state of the art . 1489.74 1495.17 1497.11 1500.64 ES2007c B FEO026 1 1489.537 1490.916 1489.96 1490.916 Well - ES2007c A MEE025 0 1498.928 1501.408 1498.95 1501.33 That would mean we'd have to make a television as well . 1501.33 ES2007c B FEO026 1 1503.467 1517.504 1503.52 1517.46 Bluetooth would , for example , enable you , I think , to um um connect for example you if you get a w call on your mobile phone , but your mobile phone is downstairs or something , you would get on your television you're being called by this person right now . 1504.25 1504.86 1505.41 1505.84 1512.32 1514.36 1517.46 ES2007c B FEO026 1 1518.496 1519.12 1518.52 1519.04 Things like that . 1519.04 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1519.168 1523.04 1519.19 1523.01 No , that would be your telephone in with your television . 1519.51 1523.01 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1522.96 1525.648 1522.98 1525.648 Yeah , the that wouldn't be the remote so much , I mean 1523.27 1525.2 ES2007c B FEO026 1 1522.81 1524.196 1523.01 1524.1 No i - ES2007c A MEE025 0 1523.981 1526.016 1523.981 1525.97 Yeah , and i 1525.76 ES2007c B FEO026 1 1525.648 1529.696 1525.67 1529.696 No , but if you get Bluetooth on the remote , you'd be able to 1525.82 1527.78 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1530.224 1539.552 1530.25 1539.52 Nah , the televi the television would have to be a Bluetooth compatible , basically . An and there is no there is no such thing . 1530.95 1536.2 1537.51 1539.52 ES2007c B FEO026 1 1530.997 1538.832 1531.2 1538.832 I with the television , yeah . I was just trying to find an advantage . Wha what w what advantage would you get for the 1532.2 1534.03 1536.22 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1535.808 1536.144 1535.89 1536.11 Mm . 1536.11 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1536.848 1537.828 1536.87 1537.828 Well , it doesn't 1537.13 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1539.68 1551.808 1539.7 1551.5 Like it doesn't have to be , you know , Bluetooth , that was just an idea , but like it needs do something that , you know , is new . Whether it's a battery it could be something really 1541.7 1542.03 1542.47 1543.65 1546.12 1546.56 1547.94 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1553.567 1567.824 1553.82 1567.79 really minor , you know , like but I think we are really keeping to what is already out there , and people've already seen it , people've already got it . If we want something new , we need to move away from what we already have 1555.06 1555.77 1560.67 1562.86 1564.11 1565.22 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1563.888 1564.525 1564.03 1564.41 Okay . 1564.41 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1569.136 1572.224 1569.16 1572.19 and um just go creative . 1572.19 ES2007c B FEO026 1 1570.208 1579.144 1570.23 1578.96 Maybe the kinetic mo provision of energy then . It's been done for watches , but I haven't seen that for remotes , yet . 1574.26 1575.54 1578.59 1578.96 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1577.624 1581.84 1578.3 1581.61 Okay . Yeah , this that's that's very good . 1579.3 1579.99 1581.61 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1580.538 1584.52 1580.62 1584.52 And then you can market it . Never have to change a battery again . 1581.9 1584.38 ES2007c B FEO026 1 1582.496 1585.218 1582.79 1584.89 Change the batteries ever again . 1584.89 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1584.272 1599.4 1584.29 1599.37 And and this is all tying in very nicely . The fact that it's made out of this rubber , we can throw it about . Th we should encourage people to throw their remote controls about , because it charges itself up by doing it . 1588.56 1592.09 1594.49 1597.31 1599.37 ES2007c B FEO026 1 1595.749 1602.128 1595.749 1602.128 Yeah , well , and in little characters you say , yeah , but not too much . 1598.43 1599.18 1600.55 1600.77 1601.76 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1598.944 1599.745 1598.96 1599.745 Yes , so can 1599.19 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1602.048 1604.008 1602.07 1603.91 I think , safety s 1602.44 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1602.432 1604.112 1602.45 1604.112 But yeah , by the squeezing it the 1602.8 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1603.776 1608.704 1603.8 1608.67 Yeah , we can make the squeezing of the rubber be the be the generating like the energy generator . 1603.93 1608.67 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1607.152 1611.28 1607.17 1611.24 Yeah , that's a great idea . Well done . 1608.71 1610.81 1611.24 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1608.096 1608.464 1608.13 1608.43 Yeah . 1608.43 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1610.806 1639.392 1611.24 1639.24 Third most important aspect uh is it's easy to use . And I think we've all um worked that out . Um okay , in the fashion , how it's supposed to look . Next year's fashion i very much in fruit and vegetables are thm are like the theme for cloths , shoes and furniture . So next year people will be buying , I found this really funny , you know , strawberry shaped chairs , 1616.32 1619.63 1620.54 1621.06 1621.88 1629.28 1630.92 1634.89 1637.86 1638.11 1639.24 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1616.304 1618.096 1616.304 1618.06 we're all about that . 1618.06 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1640.015 1646.545 1640.04 1646.3 Okay , so we could have keys that are like a b like a broccoli key and a uh and an avocado key on them . 1640.5 1646.3 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1640.401 1641.403 1640.71 1641.36 and things . 1641.36 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1643.68 1644.192 1643.78 1644.13 Yeah . 1644.13 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1644.352 1646.816 1644.37 1646.52 Yeah . Rubber things . 1645.5 1646.52 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1645.488 1650.011 1645.56 1650.011 I wanna watch the pineapple channel . 1649.61 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1647.487 1660.138 1647.487 1660.05 Um and as it's rubber the feel which is in this year is spongy , so it's it's not quite spongy , but spongy , I would say is yeah , so we're in . 1654.69 1656.76 1657.41 1659.13 1660.05 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1655.552 1656.446 1655.552 1656.446 . 1656.446 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1656.64 1661.088 1656.66 1660.98 Well spongy , that's where . Yeah , we're we're ahead of the game there . 1657.3 1657.87 1658.37 1660.98 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1658.144 1659.51 1658.17 1659.39 Yeah , that's great for us . 1658.5 1659.39 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1660.912 1675.819 1660.912 1675.75 Yeah . And so personal what I was just saying like move away from the current remote controls uh like the look and the feel of the current ones and change the look and feel , while still keeping to the company's image , basically . 1661.74 1672.79 1675.27 1675.75 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1676.848 1677.408 1677.0 1677.37 So yeah . 1677.37 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1680.714 1681.454 1680.75 1681.25 Okay . 1681.25 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1681.808 1682.352 1681.808 1682.352 . 1682.352 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1683.504 1684.32 1683.56 1684.32 I had to say - ES2007c D FEE028 3 1685.872 1687.67 1685.89 1687.67 So we're moving in the right direction like - ES2007c C MEE027 2 1685.886 1686.468 1686.04 1686.17 Right . 1686.17 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1687.056 1714.464 1687.08 1714.15 Alright , yeah , no , this i this is good , so through all that we've we go we're right , we're gonna go go back to um going with the kinetic thing , that's great , using the spongy rubber that we were talking about that anti-R_S_I_ you can as you squeeze it you are not only therapeuticising yourself , you are charging the batteries , and um I'm not sure about the buttons being in the shape of fruit though . 1687.41 1687.58 1687.77 1688.6 1690.81 1697.29 1697.91 1706.08 1709.61 1714.15 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1687.437 1688.027 1687.68 1687.94 Yeah . 1687.94 ES2007c B FEO026 1 1695.328 1696.512 1695.328 1696.41 Yep . 1696.41 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1696.032 1696.608 1696.06 1696.57 Yeah , that's great . 1696.21 1696.57 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1708.683 1709.104 1708.83 1709.06 Mm . 1709.06 ES2007c B FEO026 1 1714.294 1717.173 1714.294 1717.0 No vegetables . 1717.0 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1715.264 1716.865 1715.28 1716.865 Yeah , I don't know how we incorporate 1715.38 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1716.8 1718.446 1716.8 1718.446 . 1718.446 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1720.08 1721.759 1720.1 1721.62 We don't have to follow every trend , I guess . 1721.26 1721.62 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1720.148 1722.928 1720.35 1722.89 Maybe make it like fruity colours or something . 1722.89 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1724.256 1724.994 1724.31 1724.83 Some sort . 1724.83 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1724.464 1724.8 1724.48 1724.77 Uh-huh . 1724.77 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1728.968 1729.433 1729.0 1729.433 Or - ES2007c C MEE027 2 1729.872 1732.464 1729.89 1732.43 The power button could be like a big apple or something . 1732.43 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1730.131 1730.575 1730.28 1730.51 Mm . 1730.51 ES2007c B FEO026 1 1733.795 1736.716 1734.06 1736.49 Well yeah , but Apple would sue you for that . 1734.39 1736.49 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1736.064 1738.39 1736.08 1738.39 Yeah , this is true . 1736.39 1738.05 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1737.776 1741.197 1737.8 1741.197 They don they don't own all images of apples . 1740.99 ES2007c B FEO026 1 1740.935 1743.246 1740.935 1743.246 sued the Beatles so - ES2007c C MEE027 2 1743.325 1746.793 1743.4 1746.63 Okay , we'll make it a uh pomegranate , a big pomegranate . 1743.91 1745.79 1746.63 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1746.864 1757.024 1747.87 1756.99 Well , okay , it seems like the only thing that we haven't really finally um agreed on is 1750.32 1750.61 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1758.416 1759.44 1758.44 1759.33 its image . 1759.33 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1760.544 1760.96 1760.544 1760.96 . 1760.96 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1760.88 1771.84 1760.9 1771.78 Like , yeah , we're we're saying no we don't want it to be fruit and vegetables , but we dunno what it should be , or like are we going yeah it looks slick , but what do what do we mean by slick sort of thing ? 1761.23 1761.49 1763.75 1765.18 1767.2 1771.78 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1767.696 1769.198 1767.72 1769.198 Well - ES2007c D FEE028 3 1772.432 1775.2 1772.45 1775.03 I think , if it's rubber 1774.12 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1776.64 1777.648 1776.66 1777.59 it needs to be - ES2007c A MEE025 0 1777.696 1780.336 1777.76 1780.25 I mean you said earlier on i it should be funky . 1780.25 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1779.584 1786.032 1779.6 1785.62 different . I think , it's it should be I mean , what do you associate with rubber ? You know like 1780.72 1781.11 1783.17 1784.85 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1786.64 1793.328 1786.64 1793.328 L keep it clean , keep it clean . 1788.51 1793.06 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1786.739 1804.16 1786.82 1804.13 really different colours basically . Okay , sor I sorry , I used the wrong word , what do you associate with the mate the material that material ? Um Um like I'm just thinking bright colours . 1788.6 1788.98 1789.94 1790.78 1796.43 1804.13 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1805.072 1805.376 1805.09 1805.34 Yeah . 1805.34 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1805.312 1807.024 1805.33 1806.99 Bright natural colours , nothing 1806.43 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1808.816 1809.28 1808.84 1809.28 too - ES2007c A MEE025 0 1810.688 1813.712 1810.71 1813.712 Bright , but not too bright . 1811.03 1812.18 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1811.408 1822.407 1811.43 1822.407 Bright , but too not yeah . Like no lime green or bright yellow or bright pink . Wanna make it different colours so anybody can choo like like 1811.76 1813.63 1817.45 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1812.649 1813.243 1812.89 1813.15 Yeah . 1813.15 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1820.512 1827.792 1820.77 1827.74 Like the volume buttons should be the all the same colour and the d and the the channel buttons should be one colour and stuff like that , do you mean ? 1827.34 1827.74 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1824.804 1825.319 1825.02 1825.21 Mm . 1825.21 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1827.744 1832.944 1827.76 1832.87 Yeah . And on the back of it have the logo . 1828.92 1832.87 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1836.032 1837.872 1836.07 1837.7 Okay , what ? 1837.16 1837.7 ES2007c B FEO026 1 1838.528 1838.912 1838.65 1838.85 Yeah . 1838.85 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1839.744 1840.048 1839.77 1840.0 Sure . 1840.0 ES2007c B FEO026 1 1840.374 1840.812 1840.39 1840.67 Why not ? 1840.67 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1841.632 1842.096 1841.65 1842.06 Okay . 1842.06 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1843.808 1863.312 1843.84 1863.312 The one thing I'm wondering about , I hope that we're not going like too much down a gimmicky road of of having I mean if somebody go goes into the store they're gonna see like three or four normal remotes , and then a big spongy pink t tomato uh remote . I mean what are ninety per cent of people gonna take ? 1845.21 1854.37 1859.22 1863.14 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1843.764 1844.344 1843.92 1844.24 Tha - ES2007c A MEE025 0 1849.168 1851.015 1849.19 1851.015 Yeah , I mean we that's we we 1849.54 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1857.578 1858.389 1857.89 1858.35 Yeah . 1858.35 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1859.184 1864.242 1859.184 1864.242 This is the remote control tomato . 1863.28 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1861.392 1862.079 1861.41 1862.079 Well - ES2007c D FEE028 3 1863.76 1871.216 1863.78 1871.14 I can say in this country , you'll get , you know , lots of people wanting something really funky and cool . 1866.0 1867.16 1867.48 1871.14 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1873.024 1885.584 1873.04 1885.55 Like and kids will be walking in with their parents saying , Mummy I wanna buy that one . And uh parents will see the will see the pro as well , because it's um 1876.09 1880.86 1884.46 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1887.008 1895.424 1887.05 1895.424 like kids won't break it , it's not breakable if you throw it around . Especially with younger kids , you know they can pick it up and and 1889.73 1891.73 1892.9 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1891.632 1892.048 1891.65 1891.98 Yeah . 1891.98 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1897.248 1901.208 1897.27 1901.208 Yeah . The only thing is is that really small kids might chew on it , but 1897.64 1900.47 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1900.96 1903.216 1900.98 1903.216 Well , it's it's gotta be chew proof . 1901.23 1903.01 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1903.679 1925.696 1903.83 1925.66 Yeah . So so it's rea it's quite it's quite like um user friendly and also for different families , like like family use as well , so for little kids and for old ki like teenagers will like it , I think . Especially maybe younger girls if it's in pink they'll be like pink remote control for their room something . 1904.29 1914.05 1916.61 1920.22 1920.45 1925.66 ES2007c B FEO026 1 1904.432 1907.232 1904.432 1907.13 I'm gonna write that down . 1907.13 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1926.96 1935.28 1926.98 1935.28 So , what are you saying , maybe we should market it in different colours for different so we could do like the pink range , the blue range , the green range , the 1927.48 1928.04 1932.84 1933.65 1934.55 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1930.176 1930.544 1930.2 1930.44 Yeah . 1930.44 ES2007c B FEO026 1 1931.609 1933.314 1931.79 1933.22 That's yeah . 1933.22 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1931.746 1932.468 1932.05 1932.29 Mm . 1932.29 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1935.2 1952.752 1935.22 1952.71 So like you walk in , you're like , oh I like that remote control , because it's so bright , and then , and then the shop assistant comes up and says , oh what colour would you like ? and then they go like , oh I can choose the colour wow . So it puts , I think , even the customer into more control over what they're buying instead of , you've got all colour it's either that or nothing . So they also get to pick . 1936.04 1936.27 1937.57 1938.3 1939.07 1941.2 1942.32 1943.01 1944.83 1945.98 1946.28 1949.24 1951.57 1952.71 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1954.656 1957.184 1954.68 1957.04 Well , personally I like walking into a shop and choosing a colour . 1954.77 1957.04 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1957.312 1967.006 1957.33 1966.89 Yeah I mean , that that seems to work well with for products like iPod , where , you know , you have a variety of colours , that people feel like they're customising it when they buy it , even , you know , just just by the fact of choosing . 1957.57 1960.4 1960.55 1960.79 1962.27 1964.51 1964.9 1965.44 1966.89 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1958.074 1959.005 1958.31 1959.005 It's um - ES2007c D FEE028 3 1961.04 1961.528 1961.06 1961.37 Yeah . 1961.37 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1961.022 1961.844 1961.26 1961.6 Mm . 1961.6 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1963.512 1964.142 1963.65 1964.07 Mm . 1964.07 ES2007c D FEE028 3 1965.152 1966.16 1965.2 1966.16 D you've got the - ES2007c B FEO026 1 1964.944 1968.016 1965.44 1968.016 Although I'd be curious to see how many uh - ES2007c B FEO026 1 1969.312 1974.56 1969.33 1974.52 You know , there are some colours that I wouldn I would never choose , and I would be curious how many people choose that colour . 1969.54 1972.25 1974.52 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1974.064 1974.448 1974.18 1974.41 Right . 1974.41 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1974.56 1980.64 1974.58 1980.53 Well that's that can be down to bit of market researching you know , if that's easy enough to find out what colours are more popular . 1977.82 1980.53 ES2007c B FEO026 1 1977.281 1977.93 1977.39 1977.69 Mm . 1977.69 ES2007c C MEE027 2 1977.853 1978.208 1977.96 1978.17 Yeah . 1978.17 ES2007c B FEO026 1 1980.297 1983.462 1980.41 1983.25 And produce less of the silly colours , maybe . 1982.89 1983.25 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1983.008 1983.36 1983.03 1983.32 Mm . 1983.32 ES2007c A MEE025 0 1986.947 1998.528 1987.01 1998.47 Okay . Alright . Well um , we'll alright let's what we're gonna aim to get together by the next meeting then um 1988.27 1988.68 1991.1 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2000.535 2002.656 2000.535 2002.61 is - ES2007c A MEE025 0 2004.4 2009.744 2004.47 2009.67 from you Catherine wi your y y you know you're gonna be working on the the look and feel design . 2009.67 ES2007c B FEO026 1 2009.952 2010.704 2010.06 2010.65 Yep . 2010.65 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2010.928 2023.792 2010.95 2023.75 Um Gabriel , you're gonna be working on , you know come up with the the user interface design . Then basically , you two are gonna be working together on this . You won't be going off to your separate offices . 2012.77 2014.17 2017.88 2018.73 2021.82 2023.75 ES2007c B FEO026 1 2022.48 2022.988 2022.5 2022.85 Alright . 2022.85 ES2007c C MEE027 2 2024.544 2024.912 2024.57 2024.86 Okay . 2024.86 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2025.072 2029.712 2025.09 2029.6 Um and I think you are gonna get a chance to play with some clay . 2029.6 ES2007c C MEE027 2 2030.112 2030.736 2030.112 2030.7 Oh right . 2030.7 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2031.136 2049.792 2031.26 2049.76 I think , yeah , it's gonna you know , come up ki you know , be ab for the next meeting be able to come in and show us some some i some physical ideas . 'Cause at the moment , uh you know , it's it's hard . We were kinda going , yeah , it's gotta feel nice , it's gotta look cool and that it's you know now we can actually start , 2031.54 2031.75 2033.48 2035.31 2041.31 2041.96 2042.23 2043.8 2044.47 2044.63 2045.55 2049.76 ES2007c B FEO026 1 2031.856 2032.8 2032.32 2032.76 Mm . 2032.76 ES2007c B FEO026 1 2041.238 2041.975 2041.57 2041.71 Cool . 2041.71 ES2007c C MEE027 2 2043.44 2043.792 2043.46 2043.69 Yeah . 2043.69 ES2007c B FEO026 1 2043.722 2044.315 2043.83 2044.28 It is . 2044.28 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2052.16 2055.232 2052.18 2055.2 you know , s some sort of physical something or other . 2052.44 2055.2 ES2007c C MEE027 2 2056.864 2057.888 2056.89 2057.84 That sounds good . 2057.84 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2058.573 2063.216 2058.59 2063.16 Um and you're gonna be working on the product evaluation . 2063.16 ES2007c D FEE028 3 2063.52 2065.066 2063.52 2064.97 Evaluation . 2064.97 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2067.632 2069.088 2067.65 2068.66 Um . 2068.66 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2071.447 2073.654 2071.447 2073.44 And I - ES2007c A MEE025 0 2074.293 2077.04 2074.293 2076.88 will be uh - ES2007c A MEE025 0 2078.976 2082.288 2079.0 2082.14 talking to the bosses , basically , and uh 2080.05 2081.41 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2083.071 2086.416 2083.12 2086.3 f fielding off some more spam and - ES2007c A MEE025 0 2087.456 2088.736 2087.48 2088.69 uh - ES2007c B FEO026 1 2090.096 2090.512 2090.12 2090.46 Great . 2090.46 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2090.976 2091.968 2091.01 2091.93 that's it really . 2091.93 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2093.632 2100.16 2093.65 2100.11 Keeping things t well , uh you know , ho hopefully uh keeping things together . Um . 2095.34 2095.77 2099.57 2100.11 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2103.472 2104.672 2103.49 2104.672 Yeah , that's 2103.85 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2106.784 2146.96 2106.8 2146.93 This is this is uh good . So we know for definite we know we've we've now got some definite things going on . We definitely know how it's powered , we definitely know that um it's gonna be a simple buttons , we're not gonna be going for the new technological chip on print expensive things , so we've we're keeping the costs down . It's this rubber casing that we can sell as um fun and funky . Don't know of any other remote controls that are made out of this stuff . People , you know , people are saying , oh , standard stuff gives you repetitive strain injury , well this remote control is designed to do the complete opposite , 2108.44 2114.14 2115.48 2119.49 2124.14 2126.65 2134.22 2138.28 2138.58 2138.88 2140.17 2140.94 2143.83 2146.93 ES2007c C MEE027 2 2114.296 2114.822 2114.46 2114.56 Mm . 2114.56 ES2007c D FEE028 3 2137.2 2137.504 2137.23 2137.46 Mm . 2137.46 ES2007c D FEE028 3 2147.456 2147.76 2147.56 2147.73 Yeah . 2147.73 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2147.859 2152.272 2148.17 2152.22 It's supposed to fix it rather than cause it . Um . 2151.75 2152.22 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2155.072 2165.456 2155.072 2165.42 you know , we're gonna we we're gonna as a sort of extra something on it , you know what what extra things are there extra things this product have ? We'll look into this lock key 2156.14 2159.36 2163.73 ES2007c C MEE027 2 2165.92 2166.192 2165.94 2166.16 Right . 2166.16 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2166.464 2173.68 2166.52 2172.88 facility , although whether or not it happens , or is possible , I don't know , but something to look into . 2167.47 2169.7 2170.43 2170.93 2172.88 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2176.496 2180.361 2176.56 2180.11 Okay . I think that's um well done everybody . 2177.31 2180.11 ES2007c C MEE027 2 2181.424 2181.776 2181.48 2181.74 Alright . 2181.74 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2181.446 2182.976 2181.71 2182.79 Anyone have any uh - ES2007c A MEE025 0 2184.112 2189.536 2184.13 2189.5 any questions , everyone know what they're doing ? 'Cause if you don't , you'll I'm sure you'll soon get an e-mail about it . 2184.69 2186.56 2187.36 2189.5 ES2007c C MEE027 2 2186.462 2187.291 2186.53 2187.291 Yeah . 2187.12 ES2007c C MEE027 2 2189.696 2190.048 2189.72 2190.01 Yeah . 2190.01 ES2007c C MEE027 2 2191.248 2193.328 2191.29 2193.21 Mm , I think we all know what we need to do now . 2191.54 2193.21 ES2007c D FEE028 3 2192.224 2192.637 2192.37 2192.52 S - ES2007c D FEE028 3 2193.152 2194.603 2193.26 2194.57 This gives you all the details ? 2194.57 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2196.816 2203.856 2196.84 2203.82 Okay . right well . It's um we're we've still couple of minutes until our meeting's due to finish . 2197.26 2198.08 2203.82 ES2007c C MEE027 2 2197.058 2197.676 2197.2 2197.47 Okay . 2197.47 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2204.896 2205.712 2204.92 2205.52 But um - ES2007c A MEE025 0 2207.52 2215.104 2207.78 2215.07 I got a note saying that you two who are gonna be working together so bef before you all disappear off just - ES2007c C MEE027 2 2212.24 2213.136 2212.26 2213.1 Okay , I'll stay in here . 2212.45 2213.1 ES2007c D FEE028 3 2214.784 2219.669 2214.784 2219.17 um . 2219.17 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2219.216 2223.232 2219.6 2222.73 hold hold fire . Um . 2222.09 2222.73 ES2007c C MEE027 2 2223.552 2227.648 2223.75 2227.648 Does the pay-raise immediately come into effect on our next pay-check , or is that 2227.1 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2226.648 2235.488 2226.648 2235.44 Um I think , it's uh , yeah , I think , it's gonna be par part more of a profit sharing on the product . 2229.99 2231.21 2231.61 2231.9 2235.44 ES2007c C MEE027 2 2235.856 2239.822 2235.88 2239.822 So we're buying fut I mean , we're getting futures in the company . 2236.83 2239.04 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2238.096 2242.848 2238.12 2242.848 Yeah , I think i I think that's I think that's the way it's gonna happen at the moment . 2238.5 2242.59 ES2007c C MEE027 2 2241.434 2246.586 2241.434 2246.49 So we really have a incentive to make this remote work . 2246.49 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2246.144 2247.616 2246.16 2247.48 Yeah . Yeah . 2247.09 2247.48 ES2007c C MEE027 2 2248.789 2251.984 2248.83 2251.94 I'd like to share in the coffee machine profits , because that's really doing well . 2250.78 2251.94 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2251.602 2258.704 2252.15 2258.57 I want a share in the space rocket . Did you see that this k that this company we've made a spaceship . 2254.6 2258.57 ES2007c C MEE027 2 2254.064 2257.171 2255.5 2256.36 Yeah . . 2256.36 2256.36 ES2007c D FEE028 3 2257.696 2259.395 2257.72 2259.395 Yeah . 2259.02 ES2007c C MEE027 2 2258.624 2263.36 2258.64 2263.36 This company has its its fingers in a lot of different pots . 2262.72 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2261.056 2261.44 2261.09 2261.36 Yeah . 2261.36 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2263.488 2267.168 2263.488 2267.07 Yeah . 2267.07 ES2007c D FEE028 3 2263.884 2264.442 2264.05 2264.3 Mm . 2264.3 ES2007c C MEE027 2 2267.728 2270.122 2267.79 2270.0 Yeah , we're definitely not in the money making department . 2268.22 2270.0 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2274.752 2277.04 2274.752 2277.04 . 2277.04 ES2007c C MEE027 2 2285.323 2295.136 2285.45 2295.08 Well I I did notice looking at I mean , they told you that they wanted whatev our product to represent the the R_R_ brand and and to be immediately noticeable . 2287.66 2295.08 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2294.288 2294.762 2294.31 2294.68 Yeah . 2294.68 ES2007c C MEE027 2 2296.649 2302.144 2296.75 2302.11 I mean , if you look like at the coffee maker at the at the corporate web page , it's not obvious . 2297.12 2300.76 2302.11 ES2007c D FEE028 3 2300.736 2302.176 2300.76 2301.79 Mm . 2301.79 ES2007c C MEE027 2 2303.696 2316.544 2303.74 2316.27 R_R_ . Well it is to us , because we we worked worked here for years and we use that coffee machine , but it's doesn't have the colour scheme of of the of the company anywhere on it obviously it's just sil silver and black . 2304.48 2305.14 2309.63 2316.27 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2315.088 2315.504 2315.13 2315.47 Mm . 2315.47 ES2007c B FEO026 1 2317.568 2318.81 2317.568 2318.68 That's true . 2318.68 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2320.08 2331.2 2320.1 2331.2 And the spaceship doesn't have the R_ have a massive R_ and R_ down the side of it but I still want one . 2330.66 ES2007c C MEE027 2 2322.538 2323.125 2322.64 2322.93 No . 2322.93 ES2007c B FEO026 1 2323.403 2326.432 2323.403 2326.432 Doesn't - ES2007c C MEE027 2 2325.472 2326.0 2325.5 2325.96 Mm . 2325.96 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2332.864 2337.392 2332.96 2337.34 Okay . Um I've just had a sign flashing up saying , finish the meeting . 2333.69 2336.23 2337.34 ES2007c B FEO026 1 2337.988 2338.496 2338.14 2338.29 Yeah . 2338.29 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2338.88 2341.68 2338.9 2340.53 Uh . 2340.53 ES2007c C MEE027 2 2339.344 2340.029 2339.36 2339.67 Okay . 2339.67 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2350.32 2351.168 2350.42 2350.81 Yeah . 2350.81 ES2007c C MEE027 2 2350.752 2352.832 2351.1 2352.28 Right , well , I guess that's us . 2351.3 2351.45 2352.28 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2353.52 2361.28 2353.54 2361.1 Yeah . It's not telling it's not saying do anything in particular just yet . So maybe you should go back to your own offices . 2354.88 2359.27 2361.1 ES2007c C MEE027 2 2362.464 2365.411 2362.48 2365.22 Okay . Right . 2364.61 2365.22 ES2007c B FEO026 1 2366.16 2367.442 2366.18 2367.16 Are we taking these off ? 2367.16 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2369.243 2369.76 2369.4 2369.73 Yeah . 2369.73 ES2007c A MEE025 0 2376.56 2377.408 2376.58 2377.19 Yeah , it says you two 2376.74 ES2007d D FEE028 3 0.0 0.938 0.02 0.9 It's Play-Doh . 0.9 ES2007d A MEE025 0 4.086 8.169 4.12 8.169 Play-Doh's edible . Did you know that ? It's definitely 5.15 6.71 ES2007d D FEE028 3 7.77 9.944 7.91 9.66 Because kids yeah . 9.66 ES2007d B FEO026 1 8.683 10.106 8.85 9.97 I used to eat it . 9.97 ES2007d C MEE027 2 8.651 14.471 8.91 14.27 I've , I've definitely eaten it before . I didn't know was edible . . 9.67 10.81 14.27 14.27 ES2007d A MEE025 0 11.54 12.253 11.68 12.08 Yeah . 12.08 ES2007d D FEE028 3 13.332 16.37 13.39 15.97 But um , it's it's made edible 'cause , yeah . 13.88 15.52 15.97 ES2007d A MEE025 0 13.768 17.412 13.86 17.412 It's it's chew proof . 17.34 ES2007d D FEE028 3 16.832 20.272 16.92 20.272 It's made edible 'cause kids eat it , and if it's wasn't edible then 18.5 ES2007d A MEE025 0 18.485 19.259 18.55 19.1 Yeah . 19.1 ES2007d D FEE028 3 21.168 23.906 21.2 23.906 Well , normal babies . 21.73 22.8 ES2007d C MEE027 2 21.66 35.542 22.06 35.44 Actually that makes sense , because I remember like , peopl I dunno if my Mom ever did it but I remember other people's Moms making like home-made Play-Doh where you just like make the colouring and make some sort of sort of dough . 22.93 25.05 35.44 ES2007d A MEE025 0 33.221 34.202 33.43 33.76 Yeah . 33.76 ES2007d D FEE028 3 33.929 36.4 34.09 36.19 Oh yeah it is , yeah . Oh yeah . 34.82 35.88 36.19 ES2007d A MEE025 0 42.473 55.125 42.473 54.85 Right . Everybody everybody ready ? Okay , let's have your um let's get have the uh presentation ? 45.79 48.95 49.49 54.85 ES2007d C MEE027 2 44.704 45.347 44.75 45.17 Mm-hmm . 45.17 ES2007d C MEE027 2 47.808 48.24 47.83 48.15 Yeah . 48.15 ES2007d B FEO026 1 48.238 48.672 48.3 48.49 Yep . 48.49 ES2007d C MEE027 2 51.809 54.065 51.83 53.52 We've got some . 53.52 ES2007d B FEO026 1 54.864 56.591 54.88 56.39 We've got a cool prototype . 56.39 ES2007d C MEE027 2 55.072 58.688 55.09 58.44 Yeah , it's pretty exciting . So , 56.09 57.69 58.44 ES2007d C MEE027 2 59.904 87.952 59.92 86.87 everything uh that we wanted we wanted it to be ergonomic and to be made out of rubber , very simple and easy to use , yeah , double curved , um but also something that was gonna jump out at people , something that would be different uh , separate it from the other remotes out on the market . So uh I think if you put this in the palm of your hand , you'll see what a nice thing we have going here . 66.27 69.72 69.95 70.95 74.99 76.93 80.59 84.93 86.87 ES2007d B FEO026 1 68.0 68.896 68.02 68.85 Double curved . 68.85 ES2007d A MEE025 0 69.904 71.024 69.92 70.84 Nice . 70.84 ES2007d D FEE028 3 87.872 89.408 87.92 88.64 That is cool . 88.64 ES2007d C MEE027 2 89.647 91.024 89.71 90.95 So , basically , 89.92 90.95 ES2007d C MEE027 2 92.64 98.912 92.66 98.67 if you hold it like that , the one on your thumb , yeah , the thumb button is the power button . 94.57 96.09 97.21 98.67 ES2007d A MEE025 0 96.816 97.296 96.85 97.26 Mm-hmm . 97.26 ES2007d A MEE025 0 98.88 99.76 98.92 99.32 Mm-hmm . 99.32 ES2007d C MEE027 2 99.936 107.696 99.96 107.63 Your index finger is channel up , middle finger is channel down , ring finger is volume up , your pinkie is volume down . 102.34 104.37 106.42 107.63 ES2007d D FEE028 3 108.48 110.416 108.53 110.09 What's the big blue thing ? 110.09 ES2007d C MEE027 2 110.336 116.05 110.36 116.02 That's the lock button , has a L_ L_ on it and then the M_ is a mute button . And then it also has digit 111.52 114.91 ES2007d D FEE028 3 111.54 113.055 112.15 112.9 Oh cool . 112.9 ES2007d A MEE025 0 115.696 118.781 115.696 118.71 what button ? Um . Oh mute . 117.05 118.16 118.71 ES2007d D FEE028 3 117.392 118.069 117.41 118.03 And mute . 118.03 ES2007d C MEE027 2 117.307 118.678 117.52 118.678 For muting the uh - ES2007d C MEE027 2 119.392 135.552 119.82 135.49 Um and then then you can also there's a numeric keypad on the top so you can key directly to the to the channel if you want . So it's really basic functionalities as far as what keys are available , but we think it's very comfortable and very innovative and it looks different . 127.86 131.32 135.49 ES2007d A MEE025 0 125.28 126.144 125.3 126.05 Okay . 126.05 ES2007d A MEE025 0 135.376 137.392 135.69 137.22 That certainly does . 137.22 ES2007d C MEE027 2 137.463 147.211 137.74 147.211 So all the , I mean the important keys are right at your f f you know right at uh at a convenient place for you to to access them . So you don't you 138.7 146.29 ES2007d A MEE025 0 145.6 145.872 145.63 145.82 Mm . 145.82 ES2007d B FEO026 1 146.245 149.309 146.34 148.96 Which is ant anti-R_S_I_ . 148.96 ES2007d C MEE027 2 148.873 157.328 148.96 157.22 Yeah . It should be . And it's also conformable to the size of your hand . I mean if that's too big , it's a rubber remote , so you can , you know 150.09 151.45 153.99 154.78 156.35 157.01 ES2007d A MEE025 0 149.648 150.192 149.69 150.16 Mm . 150.16 ES2007d A MEE025 0 156.192 156.528 156.21 156.49 Yeah . 156.49 ES2007d A MEE025 0 158.096 159.655 158.59 159.22 'S great . 159.22 ES2007d C MEE027 2 158.71 168.953 158.93 168.953 change that . So d does that uh what mesh with what you guys were hoping and for and expecting or does it 161.64 ES2007d D FEE028 3 161.248 162.573 161.3 162.53 Oh it's so cute . 162.53 ES2007d A MEE025 0 168.48 178.464 168.5 178.37 I have one thing about it , but it's a small thing , but it'd mean we'd have to make a right-handed one and a left-handed one . 172.63 174.0 178.37 ES2007d C MEE027 2 178.624 181.136 178.75 181.07 Ah , that's good thinking , yeah . 180.13 180.82 181.07 ES2007d B FEO026 1 178.549 179.76 178.96 179.61 Oh right , yeah . 179.43 179.61 ES2007d A MEE025 0 181.952 184.736 181.97 184.7 But , that's I don't see why that's not possible . 182.78 184.7 ES2007d C MEE027 2 184.16 189.36 184.18 188.88 Yeah , if we build rocket ships why can't we build left-handed and right-handed uh remotes . 184.74 188.88 ES2007d A MEE025 0 187.504 193.728 187.52 193.728 Yeah . They make left-handed scissors , you know . 189.28 191.05 193.62 ES2007d C MEE027 2 191.584 196.704 191.584 196.46 Yeah , I didn't I didn't think about that , but I'd yeah , . 193.96 195.03 196.46 196.46 ES2007d D FEE028 3 193.648 194.565 193.67 194.37 Yeah , but then 193.85 ES2007d D FEE028 3 197.296 205.344 197.32 205.31 but then you can learn to use your right h like I was just thinking if there's left-handers and right-handers in the family , what , they have two remotes ? 204.1 204.32 205.31 ES2007d A MEE025 0 205.104 207.294 205.48 207.24 Yes s - ES2007d B FEO026 1 205.434 218.343 205.64 218.27 Yeah , I know I know people who have left-handed and right-handed people in the family and they all use the computer for the whole the same computer the fes family and they have a mouse , and everybody is using right-handed mouse . 205.82 215.97 218.27 ES2007d A MEE025 0 214.352 216.347 214.38 216.3 Mm . Sure . Sure . 215.04 215.79 216.3 ES2007d D FEE028 3 217.808 219.872 217.83 219.872 Yeah , I'm sure they'll be able to 218.7 ES2007d C MEE027 2 220.704 221.024 220.76 220.99 Uh-huh . 220.99 ES2007d D FEE028 3 221.184 228.352 221.2 228.352 I mean it's only pressing buttons , you don't have to do anything , you know , extraordinary . I think everybody can press a button with their left and right hand so 222.45 223.84 224.47 225.34 ES2007d C MEE027 2 226.08 226.454 226.1 226.39 Yeah . 226.39 ES2007d B FEO026 1 228.272 229.984 228.29 229.95 Imagine d are you right handed ? 229.95 ES2007d A MEE025 0 230.752 231.12 230.78 231.09 Yeah . 231.09 ES2007d B FEO026 1 231.424 234.672 231.44 234.672 Imagine you're doing it with your left hand , I don't think it's too 233.5 ES2007d D FEE028 3 234.592 235.248 234.61 235.248 Yeah , it's not 234.89 ES2007d B FEO026 1 238.144 240.432 238.16 240.432 But we can have both uh - ES2007d D FEE028 3 240.832 241.312 240.85 241.28 Yeah . 241.28 ES2007d D FEE028 3 244.384 245.36 244.4 245.32 Have them in stock . 245.32 ES2007d B FEO026 1 245.676 246.16 245.7 246.05 Yeah . 246.05 ES2007d A MEE025 0 246.112 246.688 246.13 246.56 Yeah . 246.56 ES2007d D FEE028 3 246.64 248.272 247.01 248.24 Make 'em more appealing as well . 248.24 ES2007d A MEE025 0 248.192 255.184 248.22 255.06 But um other than that , I mean uh and that's um , you know , that's just something , I think I think it's great , yeah , great idea . 249.28 250.61 251.82 252.64 253.91 254.25 255.06 ES2007d C MEE027 2 255.52 257.616 255.56 257.58 Do you think it says R_R_ ? 257.58 ES2007d B FEO026 1 257.051 260.381 257.051 260.381 I think it does . 259.9 ES2007d A MEE025 0 259.536 268.08 259.56 267.99 I think it's , well , if the R_R_ motto is , we bring fashion to to electronics , I'd say that could be quite fashionable . 260.23 260.59 262.6 266.01 267.99 ES2007d C MEE027 2 263.968 266.682 263.99 266.61 Fashion to electronics . Yeah . 266.32 266.61 ES2007d B FEO026 1 266.387 267.404 266.55 266.97 Yeah . 266.97 ES2007d C MEE027 2 268.16 270.48 268.18 270.41 Yeah . And it's got the b the black and yellow and blue . 268.72 270.41 ES2007d C MEE027 2 271.584 276.178 271.63 275.49 Plus red , which is sort of a a fruit and vegetable uh uh . 272.16 275.49 ES2007d A MEE025 0 271.994 272.722 271.994 272.69 Yeah . 272.69 ES2007d D FEE028 3 274.696 279.632 274.696 279.632 . 279.632 ES2007d A MEE025 0 274.944 278.416 274.944 278.33 Yeah . 278.33 ES2007d B FEO026 1 275.296 276.59 275.296 276.37 There you go . 276.37 ES2007d C MEE027 2 280.336 282.96 280.36 282.96 So that's that's our end of things wha uh - ES2007d C MEE027 2 283.343 283.901 283.39 283.901 That's - ES2007d A MEE025 0 283.328 294.784 283.43 294.71 Yeah , very good , yeah . It's come up with what we've you know , the things that's what we've what we were looking at doing , hasn't it , all seems to be there . Well done . 283.71 284.09 284.26 285.76 289.22 290.0 294.08 294.71 ES2007d C MEE027 2 289.648 290.138 289.67 289.92 Yeah . 289.92 ES2007d D FEE028 3 295.168 297.584 295.19 297.584 And all the playing around is uh - ES2007d A MEE025 0 298.032 300.16 298.05 300.16 Um before we move on - ES2007d D FEE028 3 299.614 302.408 299.65 302.3 Yeah , I'm just do you wanna plug in ? Okay . 299.95 302.0 302.3 ES2007d A MEE025 0 301.168 306.016 301.19 305.95 I need that cable . Thank you . Yeah . Um . 303.65 304.84 305.48 305.95 ES2007d A MEE025 0 307.471 312.454 307.52 312.26 One thing I do need to do we need to look at , is the costs . 310.17 312.26 ES2007d C MEE027 2 314.256 315.456 314.28 315.38 The costs , was that what you said ? 314.79 315.38 ES2007d B FEO026 1 315.568 319.488 315.59 319.488 Play-Doh is very cheap . 319.31 ES2007d A MEE025 0 316.192 319.104 316.76 319.104 Well , yeah . 317.17 318.94 ES2007d D FEE028 3 318.025 318.362 318.05 318.28 Mm . 318.28 ES2007d A MEE025 0 320.528 321.876 320.528 321.876 um - ES2007d D FEE028 3 321.131 327.606 321.32 327.606 Play-Doh won't last very long everybody'll go like , oops , it's gone . 324.5 324.87 327.44 ES2007d C MEE027 2 326.784 327.824 326.8 327.52 But it's edible . 327.52 ES2007d D FEE028 3 328.479 329.856 328.56 329.81 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 329.48 329.81 ES2007d B FEO026 1 330.368 331.12 330.39 330.99 Chew proof . 330.99 ES2007d D FEE028 3 331.952 334.158 331.97 334.11 Well , they'll buy more of them if you eat them , . 332.11 334.11 334.11 ES2007d C MEE027 2 333.328 336.368 333.35 336.33 That was the main criteria from the last meeting , it had to be chew proof . 335.37 336.33 ES2007d A MEE025 0 336.4 337.477 336.42 336.77 Yeah . 336.77 ES2007d A MEE025 0 339.648 356.704 339.68 356.63 Uh right . Okay , now I think we'll do this I could do you know , I can do this o on my own or I could do it with you , but it's just easy enough to go through it with you , so we're going for the kinetic power . 342.96 343.42 346.24 349.46 351.48 356.63 ES2007d D FEE028 3 345.104 345.44 345.12 345.28 Yeah . 345.28 ES2007d B FEO026 1 347.2 348.192 347.22 348.09 Oh ho-ho . 348.09 ES2007d B FEO026 1 355.834 356.48 356.21 356.45 Yep . 356.45 ES2007d A MEE025 0 357.888 363.968 357.888 363.91 And the electronics , we decided on it being just a simple , the easiest 359.89 362.57 ES2007d A MEE025 0 364.992 373.584 365.01 373.53 thing that's inside it . Ooh . So the case , we've gone for the double curved . 367.7 368.78 371.29 373.53 ES2007d A MEE025 0 375.561 376.704 375.66 376.66 Um - ES2007d A MEE025 0 377.76 379.588 377.81 379.01 and it's made out of rubber . 379.01 ES2007d A MEE025 0 381.344 384.912 381.344 384.86 The interface is push-buttons . 384.86 ES2007d A MEE025 0 387.96 396.576 388.14 395.96 And button supplements well they're in diff special colours , aren't they ? So special colours . 392.77 393.91 395.96 ES2007d D FEE028 3 393.328 393.824 393.35 393.78 Yeah . 393.78 ES2007d C MEE027 2 394.528 394.896 394.59 394.84 Yeah . 394.84 ES2007d D FEE028 3 397.472 398.84 397.49 398.84 It's better for - ES2007d A MEE025 0 397.904 401.856 398.01 401.82 Special form , yeah , they're a special form there in shapes and stuff . 398.87 399.26 401.82 ES2007d C MEE027 2 401.776 405.331 401.8 405.331 Yeah , I mean , these these ones on the side are curved kind of , so 402.04 402.62 404.7 ES2007d D FEE028 3 401.753 403.537 402.03 403.42 And special material . 403.42 ES2007d A MEE025 0 403.801 406.96 403.85 406.88 Yep . Yeah . Um . 404.49 406.16 406.88 ES2007d A MEE025 0 409.92 416.704 410.1 416.704 Are they made out of any special material ? No they're not . They're not made out of wood or titanium or rubber or anything , they're just simple 412.11 413.03 415.69 ES2007d B FEO026 1 410.08 411.202 410.4 411.15 Rubber . 411.15 ES2007d D FEE028 3 417.76 419.129 417.78 419.03 Well they're rubber , aren't they ? 418.33 419.03 ES2007d C MEE027 2 417.645 418.912 418.1 418.88 The buttons are rubber . 418.88 ES2007d A MEE025 0 418.688 442.144 419.34 441.7 Okay . Right . So let's see if that comes within budget . And it does . That is gonna cost uh Yeah . That's gonna cost ten ten Euro seventy cents a unit to make . And our target was it had to come in at under twelve fifty . So , 420.64 422.67 426.75 428.31 430.54 436.45 440.8 441.7 ES2007d B FEO026 1 419.952 420.272 419.97 420.22 Yeah . 420.22 ES2007d B FEO026 1 428.041 429.33 428.041 429.33 . 429.33 ES2007d D FEE028 3 428.066 429.668 428.62 429.6 We're under budget . 429.6 ES2007d C MEE027 2 436.394 437.456 436.58 436.96 That's cool . 436.96 ES2007d C MEE027 2 439.12 440.256 439.14 440.22 Yeah . Yeah . 439.93 440.22 ES2007d C MEE027 2 441.488 444.128 441.51 444.05 And we're actua actually making a better profit than we expected . 444.05 ES2007d A MEE025 0 444.384 456.224 444.47 456.03 this is all very very good . The bosses will be very pleased . Okay , let's just save this so I can e-mail it to you . Uh . 447.32 450.5 450.92 455.56 456.03 ES2007d A MEE025 0 459.648 469.92 459.648 469.83 Save it in save it in the uh my documents . 469.83 ES2007d D FEE028 3 461.904 463.2 461.94 463.16 It's already saved , I think . 462.7 463.16 ES2007d A MEE025 0 480.082 483.2 480.1 483.12 Splendid . Okay . 481.9 483.12 ES2007d A MEE025 0 487.424 494.548 487.6 494.44 So uh , that's done with this with this um doodah , so you're . Gonna do what you were gonna do , 488.16 491.44 493.05 494.44 ES2007d D FEE028 3 493.168 494.478 493.49 494.15 Thank you . 494.15 ES2007d D FEE028 3 498.365 499.559 498.39 499.32 Mm . 499.32 ES2007d A MEE025 0 499.553 501.248 499.75 501.18 your evaluation . 501.18 ES2007d D FEE028 3 501.744 511.232 501.83 510.83 Oh , yeah . This is where we all get to I get to write on the , oops , on the board . Right . Oh . 501.98 503.05 506.5 506.87 508.85 510.64 510.83 ES2007d D FEE028 3 512.512 513.769 512.53 513.769 'S function - ES2007d A MEE025 0 513.937 514.711 514.13 514.51 F_ eight . 514.51 ES2007d D FEE028 3 516.636 518.192 516.74 518.15 Okay . 518.15 ES2007d A MEE025 0 521.736 524.224 521.736 523.76 I love the smell of that Play-Doh . 523.76 ES2007d C MEE027 2 524.144 526.528 524.144 526.39 Yeah , have some have some . 525.44 526.39 ES2007d D FEE028 3 524.64 525.088 524.67 525.04 Mm . 525.04 ES2007d A MEE025 0 525.152 530.325 525.152 530.325 I cou . 530.23 ES2007d D FEE028 3 529.308 560.832 529.45 560.832 Okay . So , evaluation . We're gonna do it all together so we evaluate each criteria . I've got the criterias . And we have to do it on a scale of one to seven , one being true , so it's it's more like it's fits the criteria , and seven being as in it doesn't fit the criteria . And the criterias are , and I'll draw this up on the board so we have a box 530.68 532.07 533.3 535.99 537.83 540.37 541.78 545.34 549.18 551.88 ES2007d D FEE028 3 568.64 570.144 568.64 570.144 . 570.144 ES2007d D FEE028 3 571.504 573.296 571.52 573.24 And this is false , this is just like 572.31 ES2007d D FEE028 3 574.4 598.594 574.46 598.34 to keep you informed . So seven's here and one's here and then you've got in the middle . So the first criteria . Do you all get what we're doing ? Okay , cool . Okay , first criteria , look and feel . So the does remote look and feel fashionable to what we talked about ? As it is it colour-wise and is it spongy ? So what mark should we give for that ? 575.76 580.74 582.73 584.45 584.64 585.5 585.81 586.59 587.56 591.0 596.23 598.34 ES2007d C MEE027 2 583.936 584.224 583.97 584.18 Mm-hmm . 584.18 ES2007d B FEO026 1 584.144 584.416 584.16 584.37 Mm-hmm . 584.37 ES2007d C MEE027 2 596.656 596.864 596.71 596.77 Mm . 596.77 ES2007d A MEE025 0 597.36 599.296 597.38 599.15 I would give it a seven . 599.15 ES2007d C MEE027 2 598.72 599.984 598.74 599.59 Yeah . 599.59 ES2007d D FEE028 3 600.544 601.632 600.56 601.26 As in it's not . 601.26 ES2007d C MEE027 2 601.568 603.376 601.59 603.376 Oh , sorry , one . 601.72 602.01 603.2 ES2007d A MEE025 0 601.605 604.0 602.08 603.97 Oh sorry , one , d yeah . 602.6 603.52 603.97 ES2007d B FEO026 1 602.235 603.206 602.46 602.99 A one . 602.99 ES2007d D FEE028 3 602.669 620.968 602.7 620.968 A one a one . So I'll just write criteria criteria one we get one . Second criteria , new technology . Have we implemented new technology ? As in the new high-tech 604.4 611.46 613.74 614.8 617.86 ES2007d B FEO026 1 618.864 620.375 618.88 620.26 Well , the kinetic thing , yeah . 619.07 619.99 620.26 ES2007d C MEE027 2 620.036 620.672 620.29 620.64 Yeah . 620.64 ES2007d A MEE025 0 620.261 621.904 620.58 621.02 Yeah . 621.02 ES2007d C MEE027 2 621.952 629.216 622.16 629.18 That was our main technological innovation w every everything else was fairly simple , but the fact that we used the kinetic energy was new . 626.54 629.18 ES2007d A MEE025 0 624.848 625.956 624.848 625.956 . 625.956 ES2007d D FEE028 3 625.499 626.24 625.56 625.95 So it's . 625.95 ES2007d D FEE028 3 627.232 628.144 627.25 628.144 So we'll give it a - ES2007d B FEO026 1 628.744 630.487 628.81 630.487 Well so the um - ES2007d C MEE027 2 630.608 635.531 630.63 635.37 It's ergonomic , but that's not that's that's a design that's a des that's a design thing , yeah . 631.28 634.77 635.37 ES2007d B FEO026 1 631.389 631.888 631.5 631.81 Yeah . 631.81 ES2007d A MEE025 0 631.808 637.92 631.83 637.92 Yeah , but that's not a technological thing , that's another thing , i that's another marketing thing . So on the technical side of it it 631.93 633.42 634.31 635.71 ES2007d B FEO026 1 633.032 635.708 633.17 635.45 Yeah . Yeah . True . 634.4 635.05 635.45 ES2007d D FEE028 3 635.471 636.1 635.67 636.06 Yeah . 636.06 ES2007d D FEE028 3 637.52 641.968 637.7 641.8 I'd say it's about a a twoish ? Two . Three . 639.81 641.11 641.8 ES2007d C MEE027 2 638.704 641.679 638.72 641.45 It's about in the mid in the middle somewhere , maybe , yeah , I dunno . 640.55 640.8 640.98 641.45 ES2007d B FEO026 1 638.82 639.938 639.18 639.88 Two . 639.88 ES2007d B FEO026 1 641.92 642.528 642.09 642.46 Yeah . 642.46 ES2007d C MEE027 2 642.464 643.216 642.49 643.15 Maybe three , yeah . 642.93 643.15 ES2007d D FEE028 3 644.419 645.597 644.419 645.33 three . 645.33 ES2007d D FEE028 3 647.408 653.604 647.43 653.44 So criteria three is is it easy to use ? I think it's a one , I think . 651.35 652.97 653.44 ES2007d A MEE025 0 650.096 656.064 650.25 656.03 Easy to use . I'd say it's I wouldn't not if you're left-handed it's not . 652.3 656.03 ES2007d C MEE027 2 652.496 652.837 652.52 652.75 Yeah . 652.75 ES2007d A MEE025 0 657.152 665.456 657.17 665.456 I would give it a I would give it a two , 'cause i i it i it i it is more geared for right-handed people than left-handed people , but 660.34 665.23 ES2007d C MEE027 2 657.19 657.868 657.48 657.76 Mm . 657.76 ES2007d D FEE028 3 659.504 660.618 659.52 660.618 Two , so it's 660.0 ES2007d C MEE027 2 660.769 661.688 660.94 661.22 Okay . 661.22 ES2007d D FEE028 3 664.976 667.568 665.32 667.52 But if we make a right-handed and a left-handed then ? 667.52 ES2007d B FEO026 1 665.184 666.046 665.45 665.91 Mm . 665.91 ES2007d C MEE027 2 669.968 674.544 670.13 674.48 If we're gonna have one left-handed and one right-handed then I would give it a one , but otherwise otherwise a two . 673.23 674.48 ES2007d D FEE028 3 673.089 673.863 673.38 673.77 Yeah . 673.77 ES2007d A MEE025 0 673.392 673.952 673.41 673.89 Yeah . 673.89 ES2007d B FEO026 1 674.496 674.928 674.52 674.89 Yeah . 674.89 ES2007d A MEE025 0 675.776 677.44 675.9 677.08 Give it a t give it a two . 677.08 ES2007d D FEE028 3 677.247 685.964 677.34 685.76 Yeah , okay . 'Kay , criteria four is costs . 's great . 677.68 679.4 679.59 683.68 685.76 ES2007d A MEE025 0 681.955 686.496 682.08 686.33 Cost . It's come in under budget . So that's a definite one . 683.59 685.18 686.33 ES2007d C MEE027 2 684.779 686.976 685.17 686.9 Yeah . That was great . 686.43 686.9 ES2007d D FEE028 3 687.648 688.22 687.67 688.13 Yeah . 688.13 ES2007d A MEE025 0 691.12 693.216 691.37 693.03 Amount of buttons . 693.03 ES2007d D FEE028 3 693.136 696.032 693.16 696.032 Like the amount of buttons , 'cause people like a lot le like 693.96 ES2007d A MEE025 0 694.371 698.08 694.4 697.99 Contains only the necessary buttons . Yeah . 697.43 697.99 ES2007d D FEE028 3 696.512 697.216 696.56 697.18 So it's a one ? 697.18 ES2007d B FEO026 1 697.071 698.098 697.45 697.93 Yeah . 697.93 ES2007d C MEE027 2 698.016 698.736 698.04 698.36 Yeah . 698.36 ES2007d D FEE028 3 698.656 712.304 698.8 712.19 Um criteria six . R_S_I_ is it good against ? Yes . Very good . It's one . And criteria seven , which is the last one , does it get lost ? Is it easy to get lost ? 702.18 703.38 704.58 706.08 708.42 709.43 710.12 711.07 712.19 ES2007d B FEO026 1 702.735 706.699 702.735 706.65 Yes s yeah . 706.65 ES2007d A MEE025 0 704.4 706.32 704.53 706.02 So it's anti-R_S_I_ . 706.02 ES2007d B FEO026 1 711.009 712.064 711.33 712.02 It's yellow . 712.02 ES2007d C MEE027 2 712.458 714.688 712.458 714.65 It is very bright , yeah . 714.39 714.65 ES2007d A MEE025 0 712.608 714.48 712.63 714.45 I don't think it's gonna get lost easily . 714.45 ES2007d D FEE028 3 714.912 716.912 714.93 716.88 No ? But it is smallish . 715.49 716.88 ES2007d C MEE027 2 717.936 721.776 718.01 721.71 It's not the kinda thing that's gonna slip like between a couch cushion or something , you know . 721.47 721.71 ES2007d B FEO026 1 717.843 719.057 718.37 718.95 Two . 718.95 ES2007d C MEE027 2 723.984 727.104 724.0 727.06 Maybe it will . Uh . 726.46 727.06 ES2007d B FEO026 1 726.308 727.05 726.52 726.91 T - ES2007d D FEE028 3 726.374 729.872 726.76 729.84 Mm . I think i it would , could be , could get lost . 727.36 728.35 729.18 729.84 ES2007d C MEE027 2 729.368 730.48 729.42 730.48 You think it could lost - ES2007d A MEE025 0 730.783 732.4 730.783 732.36 two . 732.36 ES2007d D FEE028 3 731.106 738.379 731.17 738.31 Mm . Yeah . I mean it's not fully it's not fully like you can't say I mean , it's not a one , definitely . 732.32 733.22 736.85 737.73 738.31 ES2007d C MEE027 2 732.221 733.032 732.38 732.55 Mm . 732.55 ES2007d A MEE025 0 733.472 733.968 733.49 733.968 I mean it - ES2007d A MEE025 0 735.6 736.192 735.62 736.14 No , I mean 735.84 ES2007d A MEE025 0 737.84 740.784 737.86 740.784 I mean , you could still flush it down the toilet theoretically , but 738.08 740.25 ES2007d C MEE027 2 737.822 738.6 738.19 738.39 Okay . 738.39 ES2007d C MEE027 2 740.144 743.795 740.16 743.64 Yeah , anything , I mean . Okay . It's bigger than the average mobile , I guess . 740.34 740.72 741.05 741.34 743.03 743.64 ES2007d D FEE028 3 743.872 744.72 743.97 744.56 Yeah . 744.56 ES2007d C MEE027 2 745.488 746.544 745.51 746.32 But , yeah , it can get lost . 745.6 745.69 746.32 ES2007d D FEE028 3 746.848 748.224 746.92 748.19 The mobiles get lost all the time . 748.19 ES2007d C MEE027 2 748.496 750.411 748.53 750.27 Yeah . Okay , yeah , two is fine . 749.45 749.66 749.81 750.27 ES2007d D FEE028 3 749.968 754.672 749.99 754.672 But then you ring 'em and you find them . So 754.23 ES2007d B FEO026 1 752.083 753.004 752.1 752.95 Mm . Mm . 752.65 752.95 ES2007d C MEE027 2 752.019 753.412 752.14 752.98 Yeah , yeah . 752.74 752.98 ES2007d A MEE025 0 754.912 755.913 755.07 755.52 Okay . 755.52 ES2007d D FEE028 3 755.213 757.185 755.67 757.09 Yeah . So , that's that . 756.11 756.54 757.09 ES2007d D FEE028 3 757.508 759.584 757.71 759.584 So that's the evaluation , so I'd say 758.76 ES2007d D FEE028 3 761.28 761.824 761.3 761.69 Yay . 761.69 ES2007d B FEO026 1 761.912 764.976 761.912 764.94 We've , we've done well . 764.14 764.94 ES2007d A MEE025 0 762.21 764.656 762.29 764.44 Alright it's all all systems go . 764.44 ES2007d D FEE028 3 762.842 767.472 762.92 767.44 It's like like a number one . Um . 766.88 767.44 ES2007d C MEE027 2 764.591 765.428 765.11 765.37 Yeah . 765.37 ES2007d D FEE028 3 768.48 769.778 768.65 769.68 Number one product . 769.68 ES2007d C MEE027 2 770.336 770.704 770.36 770.65 Mm . 770.65 ES2007d A MEE025 0 770.94 773.024 770.94 772.99 We can't fail . 772.99 ES2007d D FEE028 3 770.889 772.146 771.16 772.07 All done , thanks . 771.44 772.07 ES2007d D FEE028 3 772.606 778.397 772.63 778.15 We fitted all the criterias . Yeah . 777.68 778.15 ES2007d A MEE025 0 779.1 779.779 779.1 779.779 . 779.779 ES2007d D FEE028 3 779.744 780.754 779.76 780.754 Yeah , so 780.16 ES2007d A MEE025 0 782.463 783.742 782.55 783.46 Well done , Reissa . 783.08 783.46 ES2007d D FEE028 3 784.912 785.728 784.99 785.6 So that's that one . 785.6 ES2007d A MEE025 0 786.571 825.378 786.63 825.378 Okay , I I think um I just wanna put in as Project Manager the you know , little bit of praise for everybody here for how they've worked on it , you know , both individually and as a team . You know you've w everyone's come up with their own individual ideas in their own different departments , um and then come together and worked in , you know , integrally , you know , at the right times , psp , you know , especially you two . That's all , you know , gone very very well and and and be you know , has been good communication going on . 787.24 794.52 798.09 798.32 801.77 807.36 811.22 811.76 813.29 813.6 814.53 814.96 815.15 817.96 818.55 819.47 822.49 825.16 ES2007d C MEE027 2 819.392 819.738 819.41 819.69 Yeah . 819.69 ES2007d C MEE027 2 824.874 832.821 824.92 832.75 Yeah , during our design I mean there was some s some heated heated discussion , but we we kept we tried to keep it cool and and 825.1 829.31 ES2007d A MEE025 0 832.391 839.584 832.391 839.584 Did you have to go down to the the corporate squash court and bash a few balls about ? 839.31 ES2007d C MEE027 2 833.937 834.892 834.04 834.892 just just - ES2007d C MEE027 2 836.863 842.399 836.863 842.399 We just had to we just had to squeeze our product a little bit and - ES2007d B FEO026 1 837.304 838.157 837.32 837.98 Well . 837.98 ES2007d B FEO026 1 839.52 840.007 839.54 840.007 You know - ES2007d A MEE025 0 843.84 845.981 843.84 845.83 Fantastic . 845.83 ES2007d C MEE027 2 845.728 852.51 845.75 852.05 Now you guys have been a a great team . Think we're the we're the envy of all the of all the other R_R_ teams , . 848.19 852.05 852.05 ES2007d B FEO026 1 845.699 846.944 845.87 846.86 It is . 846.86 ES2007d D FEE028 3 848.911 850.237 848.911 850.12 been cool . 850.12 ES2007d A MEE025 0 851.456 860.448 851.98 860.37 I think So I I , you know , and I think we've co we have come we've come up with something new , something that hasn't been done before , we haven't we're not just rehashing an old design . 853.07 853.35 856.4 857.99 860.37 ES2007d D FEE028 3 861.552 866.64 861.57 866.61 In four diff in in four meetings . Funny , all designer meetings could be this quick . 864.64 864.86 866.61 ES2007d A MEE025 0 864.0 864.768 864.07 864.44 Yeah . 864.44 ES2007d A MEE025 0 867.728 878.512 868.02 878.512 You know , maybe this isn't a simulation , maybe this is actually so it's like Sony or someone like that they're they're just , yeah , they get 868.38 870.07 876.01 877.2 ES2007d C MEE027 2 873.104 877.248 873.13 877.248 Yeah I think they're actually trying to find ideas for a ideal remote . 877.09 ES2007d D FEE028 3 877.456 879.069 877.48 878.98 They're using our ideas . 878.98 ES2007d A MEE025 0 879.76 894.704 879.78 894.704 Yeah . Yeah , two years' time this will be on the market . Ex exactly that product um thum we'll go , yeah , we designed that and no-one will believe us . But um 880.83 881.63 884.15 888.81 889.07 892.62 ES2007d C MEE027 2 895.73 902.64 895.75 902.59 So at this stage , I mean , is this the last meeting of the project ? We don't uh have another one after it's gone gone to marke market or something ? 896.69 896.99 899.0 902.59 ES2007d D FEE028 3 899.485 900.283 899.79 900.24 Yeah . 900.24 ES2007d A MEE025 0 901.312 911.285 901.33 911.285 No , I think when this meeting's finished like officially , there b we'll get a uh questionnaire to fill in . Or six , uh 901.89 905.02 909.35 910.75 ES2007d B FEO026 1 904.184 904.72 904.35 904.64 Y - ES2007d B FEO026 1 906.912 907.552 906.93 907.45 Oh really ? 907.45 ES2007d D FEE028 3 910.576 911.936 910.64 911.88 Just start summarising now . 911.88 ES2007d D FEE028 3 913.024 915.68 913.024 915.65 You can reply to the same message . 915.65 ES2007d A MEE025 0 917.2 919.152 917.27 919.07 I haven't got message . 919.07 ES2007d D FEE028 3 919.2 922.064 919.22 922.0 See summary , there . If you just reply to that one . 920.15 920.76 922.0 ES2007d C MEE027 2 927.536 931.104 927.56 931.104 So there's no way to like predict what our 'Cause we had a we originally had a - ES2007d C MEE027 2 932.112 941.296 932.13 941.296 As far as our financial uh um goals , we had a specific number for profits that we wanted . It was fifty mil fifty million 935.36 938.16 ES2007d D FEE028 3 940.896 942.336 940.92 942.3 Was it was it fifty or five ? 942.3 ES2007d C MEE027 2 943.024 951.168 943.05 951.03 I don't remember . But there's not a way to compute that , I mean , since we saved on the on the production cost , do we know how much we're making on profit ? 944.06 945.27 945.68 948.55 951.03 ES2007d A MEE025 0 951.296 984.964 951.41 984.88 It gets handed over to another department . What our what our project was was to come up with the product , basically . the for the and just basically is it it come can is it within budget . When it c when it comes to all the other things of how to sell it and , you know , the b the profits and all that that's other departments it's another team that actually work out the mai the oh yeah , the all the guys in the profit sharing , yeah . Um . 954.55 958.68 959.7 964.33 968.3 968.76 978.58 980.33 984.31 984.88 ES2007d D FEE028 3 951.504 952.645 951.52 952.61 Depends how much we sell . 952.61 ES2007d C MEE027 2 953.247 954.349 953.65 954.19 Uh . 954.19 ES2007d C MEE027 2 958.192 958.592 958.39 958.53 Hmm . 958.53 ES2007d C MEE027 2 975.28 979.654 975.63 979.52 But we have a vested interest prof profit sharing . 979.52 ES2007d A MEE025 0 987.22 1002.592 987.32 1002.55 Yeah , that's it . You know , we've we've we've made i we've made we've designed the product , we've ma we've got the prototype , it's within budget , it's does everything that we wanted it to do . It's new , it's it's um 987.73 988.41 988.69 992.98 995.07 996.28 1000.44 1001.07 ES2007d D FEE028 3 989.568 991.826 989.59 991.826 We finished an hour earlier . 991.59 ES2007d A MEE025 0 1003.968 1006.608 1003.99 1006.29 something that uh that isn't out there already . 1006.29 ES2007d C MEE027 2 1006.608 1024.72 1006.63 1024.72 I think actually and one advantage of of this is that after the uh , you know , after this fad of fruit and vegetables passes this will still be c a cool remote , you know . We're not we're not you know , tying tying our cart to that one horse . 1011.77 1012.01 1016.65 1017.23 1019.04 1023.94 ES2007d D FEE028 3 1016.224 1016.696 1016.28 1016.65 Mm . 1016.65 ES2007d A MEE025 0 1021.306 1035.936 1021.306 1035.936 Yeah . Well , this is very marketable in that it is it's it's something that's kind of new and looks a bit quirky for people who want that , it's that it's um , hang on , I wrote it down here somewhere 1023.45 1023.78 1029.96 1033.99 1034.32 ES2007d D FEE028 3 1022.08 1022.67 1022.1 1022.37 Mm . 1022.37 ES2007d D FEE028 3 1023.635 1024.785 1023.9 1024.72 Definitely . 1024.72 ES2007d A MEE025 0 1037.536 1060.384 1037.56 1060.11 Oh no I thi I put it in one of my e-mails that I sent off . Um that , you know , it's marketable in the sense that it's whilst all these other remotes uh actually do give you repetitive strain injury , our one does the complete opposite , you know , so that's something that's new , which is one of the criteria they asked us to come up with something with something new . 1041.73 1043.37 1043.96 1051.53 1054.19 1054.61 1056.76 1060.11 ES2007d C MEE027 2 1052.192 1052.599 1052.28 1052.47 Mm . 1052.47 ES2007d C MEE027 2 1053.776 1054.064 1053.82 1054.01 Mm . 1054.01 ES2007d C MEE027 2 1059.024 1059.28 1059.05 1059.24 Mm . 1059.24 ES2007d C MEE027 2 1060.304 1061.744 1060.32 1061.7 It make watching T_V_ healthy . 1061.7 ES2007d A MEE025 0 1062.348 1068.413 1062.41 1068.38 Yeah , and if you're not having a good time with the T_V_ , you can f throw it about , you know . It's fine , it's kid proof . 1062.74 1064.58 1066.17 1066.84 1067.64 1068.38 ES2007d D FEE028 3 1062.622 1063.636 1062.9 1063.06 Yeah . 1063.06 ES2007d D FEE028 3 1068.078 1071.408 1068.23 1071.37 Just don't sh don't throw it at any of the ornaments and break them . 1071.37 ES2007d C MEE027 2 1069.104 1069.424 1069.15 1069.37 Uh . 1069.37 ES2007d A MEE025 0 1072.025 1084.512 1072.05 1084.43 Well , you can break the ornaments , but you won't break that . Yeah . So all in all , I think we've done very well . Well done everybody . 1072.14 1073.04 1076.74 1080.01 1080.92 1082.87 1084.43 ES2007d D FEE028 3 1074.08 1076.022 1074.16 1075.91 No . 1075.91 ES2007d B FEO026 1 1081.735 1082.656 1082.18 1082.47 Mm yep . 1082.47 ES2007d D FEE028 3 1084.425 1086.01 1084.74 1085.58 Yay . 1085.58 ES2007d C MEE027 2 1084.704 1085.632 1084.75 1085.59 Right , you too . 1085.19 1085.59 ES2007d A MEE025 0 1085.744 1088.336 1085.76 1087.91 Um . Drinks are on the company . 1086.48 1087.91 ES2007d B FEO026 1 1088.719 1089.456 1088.91 1089.42 Cool . 1089.42 ES2007d A MEE025 0 1089.424 1101.252 1089.51 1100.97 In the corporate bar that's next to the corporate swimming pool on the top floor that we're that've all just gained access to . Yeah . 1100.72 1100.97 ES2007d C MEE027 2 1097.197 1098.964 1097.43 1098.964 Mm . 1098.71 ES2007d B FEO026 1 1097.813 1098.976 1098.03 1098.94 Glad to hear that . 1098.94 ES2007d A MEE025 0 1104.576 1110.027 1104.62 1109.92 That's it . Well , as far as I t as far as I know . Um . 1105.82 1106.02 1108.78 1109.92 ES2007d C MEE027 2 1105.083 1105.888 1105.3 1105.81 That's it . 1105.81 ES2007d D FEE028 3 1109.765 1110.45 1110.08 1110.37 Yep . 1110.37 ES2007d D FEE028 3 1112.896 1115.232 1112.92 1115.2 We haven't got the five minute left thing yet . 1115.2 ES2007d A MEE025 0 1115.648 1122.624 1116.07 1122.624 No . Anyone wanna play I spy ? 1117.88 1121.79 ES2007d D FEE028 3 1117.697 1120.361 1118.24 1120.07 Mm mm . 1120.07 ES2007d C MEE027 2 1122.624 1126.336 1122.7 1126.13 I guess it's probably better that we wrap it up than have five minutes of - ES2007d C MEE027 2 1127.376 1128.216 1127.46 1128.16 silence . 1128.16 ES2007d C MEE027 2 1131.904 1133.024 1131.94 1132.96 Should we call the day then ? 1132.96 ES2007d A MEE025 0 1134.352 1138.128 1134.37 1137.75 Yeah , I guess . I mean we're gonna get asked to fill out another questionnaire . 1134.7 1135.22 1137.75 ES2007d C MEE027 2 1138.048 1138.72 1138.07 1138.66 Uh , right . 1138.36 1138.66 ES2007d A MEE025 0 1139.728 1140.336 1139.82 1140.24 Um . 1140.24 ES2007d A MEE025 0 1141.872 1145.36 1141.89 1145.23 It's probably gonna be the same as one we've done before . 1145.23 ES2007d C MEE027 2 1145.61 1146.048 1145.69 1145.99 Mm-hmm . 1145.99 ES2007d D FEE028 3 1150.416 1151.539 1150.45 1151.27 In project . 1151.27 ES2007d A MEE025 0 1150.496 1154.368 1150.52 1154.26 But I'm not the authority to say that it is . 1154.26 ES2007d A MEE025 0 1157.392 1168.08 1157.6 1168.0 Um how does everyone feel about the technology that's been used in this ? The sort of using of the the pens and writing on these special pads and all that ? 1162.08 1168.0 ES2007d D FEE028 3 1168.4 1178.256 1168.47 1178.2 I love it . I love it . I think it's cool . Being all wired up and a vibrating pen and it's cool . 1169.77 1171.77 1173.8 1178.2 ES2007d D FEE028 3 1179.28 1182.304 1179.58 1182.304 Being watched . Um 1182.11 ES2007d C MEE027 2 1184.32 1185.808 1184.34 1185.7 Your moment to shine . 1185.7 ES2007d D FEE028 3 1185.776 1188.518 1185.776 1188.38 Wow . 1188.38 ES2007d A MEE025 0 1186.133 1190.256 1186.133 1189.95 Yeah . 1189.95 ES2007d A MEE025 0 1193.056 1202.592 1193.08 1202.47 I thi you know , I'd I'd n yeah , as we said earlier , I've not never seen that before . something that t the whiteboard 1193.72 1194.77 1195.57 1199.63 ES2007d B FEO026 1 1202.56 1203.056 1202.7 1202.98 Yeah . 1202.98 ES2007d A MEE025 0 1203.856 1206.08 1203.93 1205.91 thingy , that's great . 1204.84 1205.91 ES2007d A MEE025 0 1208.72 1229.536 1208.75 1229.25 Um , but a p a pen with a camera on it , I don't think it's such a new thing . I mean it's i or in such a new idea . It would be different if it was sort of hand writing recognition stuff , but as it's not it's literally that'll come up on a computer screen as a picture file rather than actual text . 1209.07 1210.85 1213.74 1217.44 1222.91 1229.25 ES2007d B FEO026 1 1222.412 1223.066 1222.43 1222.96 Yeah . 1222.96 ES2007d D FEE028 3 1229.456 1229.808 1229.48 1229.76 Mm . 1229.76 ES2007d C MEE027 2 1230.026 1233.76 1230.1 1233.63 Right , I think they do want to do hand writing recognition on that , it's just the first step . 1230.39 1232.5 1233.63 ES2007d A MEE025 0 1232.0 1234.704 1232.02 1234.59 Yeah . Yeah . Mm . 1232.77 1234.28 1234.59 ES2007d D FEE028 3 1235.84 1237.067 1235.86 1236.81 Logitech . 1236.81 ES2007d C MEE027 2 1237.392 1239.808 1237.41 1239.63 I guess we should end this , since we're off off topic . 1238.26 1239.63 ES2007d D FEE028 3 1240.256 1241.52 1240.34 1241.03 Yeah . 1241.03 ES2007d C MEE027 2 1240.727 1243.072 1240.77 1243.072 So . Shall we 1242.62 ES2007d D FEE028 3 1242.592 1244.127 1242.99 1244.08 Meeting adjourned . 1244.08 ES2007d C MEE027 2 1244.384 1244.767 1244.4 1244.68 Right . 1244.68 ES2007d A MEE025 0 1247.248 1247.872 1247.33 1247.77 Yeah . 1247.77 ES2008a D FEE032 3 31.362 32.144 31.69 32.1 Hmm . 32.1 ES2008a A FEE029 0 32.265 44.976 32.58 44.87 Okay . Good morning everybody . Um I'm glad you could all come . I'm really excited to start this team . Um I'm just gonna have a little PowerPoint presentation for us , for our kick-off meeting . My name is Rose Lindgren . I I'll be the Project Manager . 32.79 33.86 35.36 37.49 39.97 41.95 43.03 44.87 ES2008a A FEE029 0 46.112 61.813 46.13 61.64 Um our agenda today is we are gonna do a little opening and then I'm gonna talk a little bit about the project , then we'll move into acquaintance such as getting to know each other a little bit , including a tool training exercise . And then we'll move into the project plan , do a little discussion and close , since we only have twenty five minutes . 51.1 54.35 56.46 58.47 60.33 61.64 ES2008a A FEE029 0 63.84 99.762 63.86 99.59 First of all our project aim . Um we are creating a new remote control which we have three goals about , it needs to be original , trendy and user-friendly . I'm hoping that we can all work together to achieve all three of those . Um so we're gonna divide us up into three compa three parts . First the functional design which will be uh first we'll do individual work , come into a meeting , the conceptional design , individual work and a meeting , and then the detailed design , individual work and a meeting . So that we'll each be doing our own ideas and then coming together and um collaborating . 65.62 69.28 70.41 72.86 77.13 82.14 86.06 87.31 88.89 90.64 91.98 94.34 99.59 ES2008a A FEE029 0 101.136 122.88 101.16 122.84 Okay , we're gonna get to know each other a little bit . So um , what we're gonna do is start off with um let's start off with Amina . Um Alima , sorry , Alima . Um we're gonna do a little tool training , so we are gonna work with that whiteboard behind you . Um introduce yourself , um say one thing about yourself and then draw your favourite animal and tell us about it . 101.6 103.78 104.92 109.8 111.08 111.68 112.73 114.91 117.18 119.58 122.84 ES2008a B FEE030 1 109.842 110.416 109.98 110.38 Alima . 110.38 ES2008a B FEE030 1 123.616 128.912 123.64 128.79 Okay . Um I don't know which one of these I have to bring with me . 124.82 128.79 ES2008a A FEE029 0 129.426 130.2 129.45 130.07 Probably both . 130.07 ES2008a B FEE030 1 130.335 148.447 130.335 148.35 Right , so , I'm supposed to draw my favourite animal . I have no drawing skills whatsoever . But uh let's see , introduce myself . My name is Alima Bucciantini . Um I'm from the state of Maine in the US . I'm doing nationalism studies , 133.26 134.07 135.81 138.48 139.59 140.6 142.57 146.8 148.35 ES2008a B FEE030 1 149.232 151.361 149.25 151.12 blah , blah , blah , and I have no artistic talents . 149.35 149.51 149.75 151.12 ES2008a A FEE029 0 152.0 154.503 152.02 153.81 How do you spell your name ? 153.81 ES2008a B FEE030 1 153.056 154.544 153.08 154.5 A_ L_ I_ M_ A_ . 154.5 ES2008a A FEE029 0 154.387 155.193 154.62 155.11 Thanks . 155.11 ES2008a B FEE030 1 155.792 177.472 155.82 177.37 Oh , and I guess I'm the Industrial Designer on this project . So let's see if I can get um here . I will draw a little turtle for you all . Not necessarily 'cause it's my absolute favourite animal , but just that I think they're drawable . 156.0 160.4 165.21 171.72 174.73 177.37 ES2008a B FEE030 1 180.336 182.48 180.36 182.37 And you have the pretty little shell going on . 182.37 ES2008a B FEE030 1 184.962 187.248 185.05 187.21 Some little eyes . Happy . 186.79 187.21 ES2008a B FEE030 1 192.48 194.016 192.5 193.98 There you go . That's a turtle . 193.48 193.98 ES2008a D FEE032 3 194.896 195.494 195.19 195.4 Yes . 195.4 ES2008a A FEE029 0 195.888 197.466 195.91 197.4 So what are your favourite characteristics ? 197.4 ES2008a B FEE030 1 197.52 215.456 197.54 215.41 Um . I I like the whole having a shell thing . It's quite cool carry your home around where you go , um quite decorative little animals , they can swim , they can , they're very adaptable , they carry everything they need with them , um and they're easy to draw . 198.49 201.07 204.61 207.06 207.81 209.28 210.88 212.94 215.41 ES2008a A FEE029 0 200.424 200.944 200.49 200.9 Mm . 200.9 ES2008a A FEE029 0 216.32 219.744 216.32 219.63 Excellent . Shall we just go around the table ? 218.4 219.63 ES2008a C MEE031 2 220.048 223.584 220.07 223.53 Uh Okay . Well , my name is Iain uh 220.85 221.58 ES2008a A FEE029 0 222.512 222.816 222.53 222.73 Mm . 222.73 ES2008a C MEE031 2 224.672 229.184 224.69 229.15 and I'm the User Interface Designer for the project . Um . 228.69 229.15 ES2008a C MEE031 2 230.544 231.169 230.56 231.09 And - ES2008a C MEE031 2 231.569 233.248 231.61 233.21 I'll try and draw my favourite animal . 233.21 ES2008a B FEE030 1 238.625 242.324 238.625 242.29 No , you can erase the turtle , it's alright . 240.62 241.75 242.29 ES2008a C MEE031 2 239.072 242.923 239.09 242.8 I'll I should leave that one on there shouldn't I before I callously rub it off . 242.8 ES2008a A FEE029 0 242.72 245.05 242.75 244.69 Might be nice to have them all up there at same time . 244.69 ES2008a C MEE031 2 246.16 250.193 246.18 250.15 Um I'm not gonna draw it quite to scale um . 250.15 ES2008a C MEE031 2 274.809 277.111 274.809 276.79 Is that at least identifiable ? 276.79 ES2008a B FEE030 1 276.858 283.04 278.14 283.04 Snake . Well , snake ? It's w 279.5 279.87 280.15 ES2008a D FEE032 3 278.061 279.024 278.29 278.76 Well . 278.76 ES2008a C MEE031 2 279.04 301.415 279.06 301.29 It's a whale , yes . Thanks . Um and , yeah , the reason I like whales is 'cause uh they're well , first of all they're quite intelligent um and also they're they're kind of mysterious , like we don't really know much about them or or understand how they work , how they form groups . And I just find them interesting animals . 280.39 281.05 283.5 284.54 284.75 287.99 292.75 297.8 299.24 301.29 ES2008a A FEE029 0 279.026 279.531 279.07 279.37 Em - ES2008a D FEE032 3 281.04 283.168 281.21 283.1 Oh my god , it's better than what I'm gonna be able to do . 281.48 283.1 ES2008a D FEE032 3 308.131 310.16 308.15 309.87 Take my contraptions with me . 309.87 ES2008a D FEE032 3 312.08 318.284 312.1 318.25 Alright , I'm Jessy . I'm from around D_C_ ish sort of in the U_S_ . 312.6 313.57 318.25 ES2008a D FEE032 3 319.168 324.516 319.19 324.38 And we're gonna keep the deep sea sort of theme going on , animal . 323.76 324.38 ES2008a D FEE032 3 328.256 330.375 328.44 330.29 Don't really know how to draw this . 330.29 ES2008a D FEE032 3 330.849 331.984 330.87 331.984 Just where can I - ES2008a D FEE032 3 333.712 334.303 333.73 334.25 Mm . 334.25 ES2008a D FEE032 3 339.424 339.744 339.48 339.71 Mm . 339.71 ES2008a D FEE032 3 341.04 343.152 341.06 343.12 Maybe if I do the water , but how ? 342.55 343.12 ES2008a D FEE032 3 343.903 349.384 343.94 349.34 Sort of give an idea . I have no idea how one would explain this . 346.74 349.34 ES2008a D FEE032 3 350.672 352.567 350.7 352.48 Mm maybe with some whiskers . 352.48 ES2008a D FEE032 3 353.488 355.651 353.53 355.56 Briefly , it's supposed to be a seal . 353.85 355.56 ES2008a D FEE032 3 356.624 364.304 356.66 364.27 You can imagine it in the water . I like them , because they are like playful and silly sort of have a good time . 358.6 359.69 364.27 ES2008a D FEE032 3 366.048 370.56 366.07 370.56 Not gonna try and pretend like I can get any better than that . 370.41 ES2008a A FEE029 0 372.651 373.757 372.67 373.31 Mm 'kay . 373.31 ES2008a A FEE029 0 375.506 381.07 375.64 380.75 Mm 'kay ? I'm Rose and I'm Project Manager , from California . 376.02 379.78 380.75 ES2008a A FEE029 0 381.919 383.055 382.26 382.93 Um . 382.93 ES2008a A FEE029 0 386.982 387.517 387.0 387.39 Hmm . 387.39 ES2008a A FEE029 0 407.664 411.124 407.82 411.124 S - ES2008a B FEE030 1 409.864 413.635 409.864 413.37 Oh , a cat . 412.9 413.37 ES2008a D FEE032 3 411.504 415.297 411.52 414.64 It's definitely significantly harder once you are doing it . 414.64 ES2008a B FEE030 1 414.672 414.912 414.76 414.88 Yeah . 414.88 ES2008a A FEE029 0 414.992 421.708 415.11 421.63 Um it's actually a coyote . Let's see . Let's see , let's give it a little bit of a snout , I don't know , some teeth . 416.73 417.85 418.42 420.44 420.98 421.63 ES2008a B FEE030 1 416.968 417.406 417.09 417.31 Right . 417.31 ES2008a D FEE032 3 417.722 419.1 417.722 418.89 That's impressive . 418.89 ES2008a B FEE030 1 420.494 421.257 420.78 421.257 That's - ES2008a A FEE029 0 423.194 423.878 423.32 423.56 Yeah . 423.56 ES2008a B FEE030 1 423.987 425.098 424.04 424.91 That's pretty impressive . 424.91 ES2008a C MEE031 2 424.42 425.84 424.46 425.84 Cool . 425.63 ES2008a A FEE029 0 425.098 440.533 425.098 440.46 Oh dear . Yes . I live um I live right across the street from an open space in California . We have coyotes howl all the time . So I really enjoy their their singing , you they're really beautiful animals . Mm . 428.86 429.42 433.23 435.7 438.44 440.1 440.46 ES2008a A FEE029 0 442.427 445.488 442.427 445.42 Okay um , moving on to 444.66 ES2008a A FEE029 0 445.963 471.314 446.01 471.14 slightly more serious stuff . We're gonna talk about project finances . Um we have a couple we'd like to sell it for about twenty five Euro with the profit aim of um fifteen million Euro um from our sales and because this is such this is for television it's a we have a market range of Internet , like it's an international market range , we don't have to worry about specifics . 448.95 452.89 467.79 469.42 471.14 ES2008a A FEE029 0 471.865 485.599 471.89 485.24 Um in order to make a profit of this magnitude , we need to um be able to produce each one at a maximum of twelve fifty Euro . So we're selling it for twice what we'd like to produce it for . 475.45 482.36 485.24 ES2008a A FEE029 0 490.263 511.713 490.42 511.713 Okay um , just to generate a little bit of discussion about the project um , I could I'd like to hear about your experiences using ro remote controls , um your first ideas about um creating a new r remote control , what would be the best um like you what are the features that you really like what are the features that you don't like , etcetera , so 493.52 496.18 500.5 504.29 510.47 511.24 ES2008a D FEE032 3 513.344 538.432 513.36 538.37 Um I hate when there's like four different buttons and you have to press to actually turn on the T_V_ like you have to do one for the power of the T_V_ and then like another one to get the actual screen on and something else to get it all going , I don't know . Now they keep combining all different remotes together , and I don't know if I necessarily like that 'cause I feel like you end up with multimedia overload . I just wanna watch the T_V_ um . 525.48 525.95 529.93 535.45 538.37 ES2008a A FEE029 0 536.782 537.287 536.8 537.2 Hmm . 537.2 ES2008a D FEE032 3 541.404 543.564 541.43 543.43 Always gets lost . Some sort of like 542.8 ES2008a D FEE032 3 544.448 546.191 544.47 546.15 device to help you find it . 546.15 ES2008a C MEE031 2 551.072 559.232 551.1 559.18 I've used , I've used remote controls , for things like T_V_ and the C_D_ player and video recorder and 552.26 553.37 ES2008a C MEE031 2 560.32 571.568 560.34 571.53 I I guess they're they're pretty neat neat little tools uh . You don't have to get up and walk across the room to change a channel . So especially if you're someone really lazy like me they they're pretty nice . Um . 563.39 567.06 571.05 571.53 ES2008a A FEE029 0 565.838 566.399 565.86 566.34 Mm . 566.34 ES2008a C MEE031 2 572.976 587.04 573.0 586.79 I find them they can be a bit annoying , especially , like you know if I'm watching T_V_ I have have to have three separate remote controls of in front of me , you know , one for the T_V_ , one for the digital box , one for m the video recorder as well . Um . 575.2 576.15 581.36 581.57 582.4 584.04 586.15 586.79 ES2008a C MEE031 2 588.128 600.864 588.15 600.83 And also they tend to they tend to be a bit confusing , they've got too many buttons on them uh too too sort of too sort of complicated when all I really wanna do is switch on and off , change the channel , change the volume . 590.89 599.59 600.17 600.83 ES2008a B FEE030 1 603.424 604.368 603.44 604.33 Yeah um . 604.33 ES2008a B FEE030 1 605.792 615.696 605.81 615.62 I agree with having too many remotes around . My dad has a whole drawer at home of remotes for various things , and I don't know how to work half of them um . 608.91 612.94 615.62 ES2008a B FEE030 1 617.392 628.64 617.43 628.61 What's important for me , I guess , is that it's easy to use and that there's not too many buttons , they are not too small , you know you know you need to n to know what you're doing . 619.04 619.4 624.33 625.93 628.61 ES2008a B FEE030 1 630.192 655.916 630.21 655.81 And one thing I particularly like is if you are not um sort of moving it around to get it to work with the infra-red . Um , I think there is a way around that , but I know in my residence right now the the television you sort of have to walk all around the room to get it to turn on , so i it's just simpler just to just turn around the T_V_ itself , and I think that's if we're gonna make a remote control , it should actually work for what it's doing . 638.34 639.03 640.92 647.35 651.26 653.87 655.81 ES2008a D FEE032 3 637.568 638.064 637.59 638.03 Yeah . 638.03 ES2008a C MEE031 2 638.096 638.32 638.12 638.29 Yeah . 638.29 ES2008a A FEE029 0 646.422 648.61 646.422 647.99 Mm-hmm . 647.99 ES2008a B FEE030 1 657.26 657.866 657.32 657.866 So - ES2008a D FEE032 3 657.904 662.352 657.92 662.32 What about like batteries and things like that , like are there some remotes that don don't require 659.83 ES2008a D FEE032 3 663.375 666.405 663.43 666.33 like batteries or do all remotes require batteries ? 666.33 ES2008a A FEE029 0 666.297 681.642 666.297 681.4 Um I would imagine all of them , but we could but it's possible we could use like a lithium battery um that would last a lot longer than like double A_s . Um like tho those are the batteries that are used in a lot of um M_P_ three players now and that kind of thing . Um . 668.12 674.81 681.06 681.4 ES2008a B FEE030 1 667.394 668.704 667.58 668.62 I know . 668.62 ES2008a B FEE030 1 671.574 673.408 671.94 673.408 Yeah , something that doesn't 672.19 ES2008a D FEE032 3 673.644 674.096 673.67 674.06 Mm-hmm . 674.06 ES2008a D FEE032 3 679.903 680.408 680.0 680.25 Mm-hmm . 680.25 ES2008a B FEE030 1 682.288 682.48 682.36 682.44 Mm . 682.44 ES2008a A FEE029 0 685.877 707.12 685.9 706.71 Um . Okay , it seems we have a little bit of a conflict over um to uh combining all the remotes cont together versus having f five different remotes . So um like you said you don't like having all the buttons on one on one remote , and yet you don't wanna have five remotes . So how do we work with that ? 687.94 688.1 697.8 703.16 705.75 706.71 ES2008a B FEE030 1 705.777 708.64 705.777 708.61 Yeah . Could we get something that 707.48 ES2008a C MEE031 2 705.872 706.221 705.9 706.12 Mm . 706.12 ES2008a B FEE030 1 709.632 710.816 709.65 710.816 just has - ES2008a B FEE030 1 711.872 728.269 711.9 728.23 No doesn't have all the buttons that you need to program the video recorder or program s other things that I'm not very coherent about , but that just has your major buttons for that work for everything , you know volume control , on , off , 721.09 725.79 727.53 727.78 728.23 ES2008a A FEE029 0 726.942 727.414 726.96 727.38 Mm-hmm . 727.38 ES2008a B FEE030 1 729.648 730.528 729.67 730.49 channel changing . 730.49 ES2008a D FEE032 3 730.704 751.888 730.72 751.69 And maybe that spatially divides it , so it's like if you're looki if you're trying to get the T_V_ on that's , you know , like the top thing on the remote , I dunno if d be vertical or horizontal in terms of how we're gonna make it , but if it's like all the T_V_ stuff was here , then all the V_C_R_ stuff was here , all the whatever else we have programmed into it it's all just in its separate place and not like all the on buttons together , 'cause then you like , I don't even know what I'm turning on . 732.55 735.22 735.43 736.79 740.68 742.59 744.06 749.97 750.45 751.69 ES2008a B FEE030 1 739.3 740.358 739.5 739.91 Yeah . 739.91 ES2008a A FEE029 0 745.423 746.216 745.5 746.14 Mm . 746.14 ES2008a B FEE030 1 745.47 746.474 745.88 746.474 N that way - ES2008a B FEE030 1 747.438 748.032 747.63 747.92 Yeah . 747.92 ES2008a B FEE030 1 751.363 760.272 751.363 760.24 Yeah , and if um if you'd save the more complicated functions maybe for separate remotes that you wouldn't need to use every day . 752.48 760.24 ES2008a A FEE029 0 751.292 752.09 751.55 752.06 Mm . 752.06 ES2008a D FEE032 3 760.688 761.195 760.71 761.16 Mm-hmm . 761.16 ES2008a A FEE029 0 761.268 783.919 761.29 783.53 Okay , so maybe have like one remote that has the main functions on , off , channel changing , volume , and another rote remote with all the special things . Because that is one thing that um remotes tend to have buttons that the T_V_s no longer have as well . So like you have to have them somewhere , 'cause you're gonna m need those special functions occasionally . Um but not necessarily on the m the normal remote . 761.49 764.54 764.91 765.63 766.36 768.66 774.54 776.1 778.92 783.53 ES2008a B FEE030 1 761.488 761.743 761.51 761.7 Um . 761.7 ES2008a B FEE030 1 768.578 769.555 768.8 768.94 Yeah . 768.94 ES2008a B FEE030 1 774.276 774.77 774.3 774.63 Mm . 774.63 ES2008a C MEE031 2 774.544 774.888 774.57 774.71 Yeah . 774.71 ES2008a B FEE030 1 778.758 779.15 778.8 779.1 Right . 779.1 ES2008a C MEE031 2 783.968 794.016 783.99 793.98 Can I ask , are we designing a remote control for a television only um , and if if this device is just to be used for the television 784.52 790.34 ES2008a A FEE029 0 788.524 790.342 788.524 790.11 Good question . 790.11 ES2008a C MEE031 2 795.024 799.12 795.05 799.09 would we even technically be possible to include video recorder functions on it ? 799.09 ES2008a A FEE029 0 801.049 803.069 801.049 802.86 I don't know that yet . 802.86 ES2008a C MEE031 2 801.776 808.51 801.8 808.29 Um or should we just stick to just stick to having television television related buttons on it ? 808.29 ES2008a B FEE030 1 808.112 808.416 808.13 808.35 Mm . 808.35 ES2008a A FEE029 0 810.362 812.113 810.4 812.08 It's a good question . Um . 811.58 812.08 ES2008a A FEE029 0 813.951 814.961 813.951 814.84 I'll look into that . 814.84 ES2008a D FEE032 3 814.016 814.768 814.08 814.7 Mm-hmm hmm . 814.7 ES2008a A FEE029 0 815.971 816.779 815.99 816.7 If I can . 816.7 ES2008a D FEE032 3 816.064 826.56 816.24 826.53 I think it's just T_V_ , I mean , if it if we're taking it just new product a new television remote control that's not like doesn't say . 817.6 818.03 826.53 ES2008a B FEE030 1 827.36 827.68 827.41 827.65 Mm yeah . 827.65 ES2008a D FEE032 3 828.608 831.232 828.63 831.232 You know , things might be more advanced than that . 829.3 831.04 ES2008a A FEE029 0 830.979 831.248 831.0 831.21 Mm . 831.21 ES2008a C MEE031 2 832.921 837.776 833.0 837.74 So we should maybe we should assume that i t it's just a television that we're wanting to control . 837.74 ES2008a C MEE031 2 839.008 848.064 839.03 848.03 Well , I mean I suppose it would be nice to have playing and record and stop buttons on it for the video recorder as well I I don't know if that works technologically or not . 839.98 848.03 ES2008a B FEE030 1 850.24 859.862 850.31 859.82 Yes . I guess we have to define what what we're aiming for . If it's just a television then that it's a bit simpler , 'cause there's less buttons that would even need to be on it . 850.6 854.42 857.2 859.82 ES2008a C MEE031 2 860.448 860.755 860.47 860.68 Yeah . 860.68 ES2008a D FEE032 3 861.488 863.776 861.52 863.19 It's an idea with the buttons being really . 863.19 ES2008a B FEE030 1 864.4 875.763 864.42 875.59 Large . If you have older people or people like me that aren't very co-ordinated hand-eye , it's really quite important that you are not pressing a small like teeny mobiles phone size buttons , if we can help it . 865.41 869.38 874.9 875.59 ES2008a D FEE032 3 865.264 865.568 865.28 865.53 Yeah . 865.53 ES2008a A FEE029 0 870.399 870.817 870.43 870.76 Mm . 870.76 ES2008a C MEE031 2 874.736 874.964 874.76 874.93 Yeah . 874.93 ES2008a A FEE029 0 878.25 898.787 878.47 898.66 Okay . 'Kay sounds like we've had a good little discussion for our first ideas . Mind if we move on ? Ps mm okay . Um now our next meeting starts in thirty minutes . I believe we've actually been only working on this this one for about twenty , so we can continue discussing more new ideas if you'd like um , 879.36 882.79 883.97 886.71 891.62 895.38 898.66 ES2008a C MEE031 2 884.168 884.496 884.19 884.33 'Kay . 884.33 ES2008a D FEE032 3 884.151 884.72 884.29 884.48 Mm-hmm . 884.48 ES2008a B FEE030 1 895.212 895.951 895.59 895.89 Hmm . 895.89 ES2008a A FEE029 0 899.427 930.942 899.51 930.85 but this is just a breakdown of what we'll be doing individually . Um the industrial design , Alima will be doing um the working design . Um the User Interface Designer , that's for . Technical functions , I guess like keeping in mind the buttons thing , the size of the buttons . Um user requirements um , so you'll be hearing about different trends , uh about different things that people need , um I guess kind of the same uh discussion that we've been having , we'll get from the actual consum s consumers . 903.23 905.04 908.75 911.64 913.11 913.95 916.08 918.09 920.83 923.21 925.72 928.57 930.85 ES2008a B FEE030 1 905.565 905.903 905.59 905.83 Yeah . 905.83 ES2008a D FEE032 3 928.595 928.965 928.64 928.92 Mm-hmm . 928.92 ES2008a A FEE029 0 932.85 956.053 932.89 955.66 Mm 'kay um . And you will get specific instructions sent by your personal coach . I realised in this past one we we didn't have much , we just wanted to get a little brain-storming done . Um so very exited to see all your animals and how what wonderful um artists we all are um . 935.78 938.78 940.87 943.31 955.66 ES2008a A FEE029 0 958.642 959.622 958.66 959.4 Any questions ? 959.4 ES2008a C MEE031 2 972.608 975.98 972.63 975.93 What we're gonna be discussing at the next meeting ? Do we know that ? 975.29 975.93 ES2008a A FEE029 0 975.986 991.53 976.01 991.37 I haven't gotten an agenda yet , um I'll put that together . I'm sure as we'll each get our own instruction and then um because what we gonna do is first our individual actions and then we'll come back together . So I'm sure we'll all have more concrete things to contribute next time 977.55 979.07 986.5 ES2008a C MEE031 2 979.275 979.681 979.38 979.58 Right . 979.58 ES2008a C MEE031 2 986.112 986.393 986.13 986.3 Yep . 986.3 ES2008a B FEE030 1 988.76 989.024 988.8 988.87 'Kay . 988.87 ES2008a C MEE031 2 991.639 992.221 991.82 991.98 Yep . 991.98 ES2008a B FEE030 1 992.48 993.392 992.5 993.36 I'm sure we'll be busy . 993.36 ES2008a A FEE029 0 996.379 1006.645 996.44 1006.51 Mm 'kay um I'll type up mi minutes and probably email those out to all of you . Um just including all the things that we talked about . Um . 1002.47 1006.0 1006.51 ES2008a C MEE031 2 1002.328 1002.832 1002.35 1002.73 Okay . 1002.73 ES2008a C MEE031 2 1005.907 1008.848 1005.96 1008.8 Can you e-mail your slides as well ? Is that possible ? 1008.21 1008.8 ES2008a A FEE029 0 1009.17 1019.01 1009.26 1018.77 Yes , I yes , I think I can . Mm-hmm . I'll just attach it to an email . And you're you're number two , three , four ? Is that correct ? Okay . 1009.58 1010.16 1011.04 1012.03 1013.94 1016.23 1016.84 1017.47 1018.03 1018.77 ES2008a C MEE031 2 1010.756 1011.268 1011.06 1011.23 Cool . 1011.23 ES2008a B FEE030 1 1015.626 1016.272 1015.7 1016.2 I'm two . 1016.2 ES2008a D FEE032 3 1016.944 1018.004 1016.96 1017.78 I'm four . 1017.78 ES2008a B FEE030 1 1020.064 1020.585 1020.14 1020.35 Alright . 1020.35 ES2008a A FEE029 0 1020.986 1023.02 1021.15 1022.62 Excellent . It was lovely meeting you all . 1021.51 1022.62 ES2008a C MEE031 2 1022.373 1022.656 1022.39 1022.5 'Kay - ES2008a A FEE029 0 1032.636 1036.811 1032.66 1036.811 Just make sure you keep checking the company web site and the emails . 1036.41 ES2008a B FEE030 1 1037.713 1038.488 1038.02 1038.31 'Kay . 1038.31 ES2008a A FEE029 0 1039.774 1041.559 1039.88 1041.14 Let me see if I can do that right now . 1041.14 ES2008b A FEE029 0 49.68 54.006 49.68 53.65 Good to see you all again . Let's see if that comes up . 51.43 53.65 ES2008b A FEE029 0 58.208 60.048 58.23 59.84 This is our functional design meeting . 59.84 ES2008b A FEE029 0 61.056 61.914 61.08 61.66 Um . 61.66 ES2008b A FEE029 0 63.027 64.64 63.05 64.6 Just a sec while my PowerPoint comes up . 64.6 ES2008b A FEE029 0 66.752 67.456 66.78 67.21 Et voila . 67.21 ES2008b A FEE029 0 71.712 75.148 71.73 75.02 Okay . Mm um we put the fashion in electronics . 72.4 75.02 ES2008b A FEE029 0 75.747 82.016 75.79 81.87 Let's start . Okay , our agenda today um just check the time , it's twelve thirteen . 77.3 77.48 80.57 81.87 ES2008b A FEE029 0 83.152 83.872 83.19 83.82 Um . 83.82 ES2008b A FEE029 0 85.312 109.856 85.33 109.856 I'm gonna do an opening , talk about um did you all get the minutes ? I e-mailed them to you . I'm also putting 'em them in the shared folder . So um then I we'll talk about our general objectives and have your three presentations . Um I'll talk about the new project requirements I've just received , and then we have to make a decision on our remote control functions . Finally we'll just close . We're starting this meeting at approximately twelve thirteen and we have forty minutes . So 86.25 88.39 89.26 91.53 97.59 100.89 104.37 105.98 109.45 ES2008b C MEE031 2 89.288 90.258 89.55 90.06 Yep . 90.06 ES2008b B FEE030 1 91.412 92.34 91.75 92.08 Right . 92.08 ES2008b A FEE029 0 111.888 128.784 111.91 128.68 First of all the functional design objectives . Uh we need to keep in mind the user requirement specification , what needs and desires are to be fulfilled , the functions design , what effects the apparatus should have , and the working design , how the apparatus actually works to fulfil its function . 114.57 117.38 121.24 122.18 124.69 125.99 128.68 ES2008b A FEE029 0 130.784 135.296 130.83 135.26 Okay , three presentations , um you can go in any order you choose um . 131.06 132.16 135.26 ES2008b D FEE032 3 135.808 137.859 135.83 137.64 Mm shall we go in the order that you just did it ? 137.64 ES2008b A FEE029 0 138.128 138.992 138.15 138.95 Sure , please do . 138.58 138.95 ES2008b D FEE032 3 139.168 139.648 139.19 139.61 I dunno . 139.61 ES2008b D FEE032 3 142.064 147.892 143.03 147.68 How do I hook my screen up ? 147.68 ES2008b B FEE030 1 148.112 150.852 148.13 150.56 I think , you might have to disconnect Rose . 148.82 150.56 ES2008b A FEE029 0 149.648 151.266 149.74 150.51 Yes I do . 150.51 ES2008b A FEE029 0 161.395 162.032 161.68 162.0 Yeah . 162.0 ES2008b C MEE031 2 168.141 171.759 168.31 171.5 Well there's a wee a wee plug just just that one there - ES2008b D FEE032 3 169.456 170.576 169.48 170.51 Where does it go ? Mm-hmm . 170.18 170.51 ES2008b D FEE032 3 172.697 174.953 172.83 174.953 Hmm , I'm not supposed to move this , but 173.09 174.74 ES2008b C MEE031 2 177.887 179.09 177.96 178.86 Ah that's it , yep . 178.41 178.86 ES2008b C MEE031 2 186.524 190.977 186.71 190.84 And then you have to press function F_ eight I think it is on your laptop . 190.84 ES2008b A FEE029 0 189.488 190.367 189.51 190.3 Function , F_ eight , yeah . 189.8 190.1 190.3 ES2008b D FEE032 3 193.36 194.609 193.38 194.34 Where's function ? 194.34 ES2008b A FEE029 0 193.761 195.376 193.78 195.32 The blue one , F_N_ . 194.92 195.32 ES2008b D FEE032 3 207.2 208.189 207.22 208.01 No signal . 208.01 ES2008b A FEE029 0 209.104 212.568 209.14 212.568 Is it plugged in all the way and you screwed it in and - ES2008b D FEE032 3 212.525 214.224 212.86 214.1 Ah , wait , 's screw in . 213.07 213.41 214.1 ES2008b B FEE030 1 212.668 213.449 212.88 213.17 Yeah . 213.17 ES2008b B FEE030 1 215.081 216.987 215.12 216.9 I I think you just have to push it in really hard . 216.9 ES2008b D FEE032 3 215.28 216.0 215.3 215.97 Push the screw . 215.97 ES2008b C MEE031 2 220.064 220.4 220.08 220.37 That's it . 220.37 ES2008b B FEE030 1 220.826 221.392 220.86 221.36 Oh , got it . 221.0 221.36 ES2008b A FEE029 0 222.384 224.896 222.41 224.896 Mm 'kay . It's taking it a little bit 223.43 ES2008b D FEE032 3 222.832 223.488 222.86 223.45 Mm alright - ES2008b D FEE032 3 225.184 227.824 225.23 227.7 I've never attached to anything . 227.7 ES2008b B FEE030 1 227.173 228.704 227.26 228.65 Mm , neither have I . 228.11 228.65 ES2008b A FEE029 0 229.584 230.4 229.67 230.28 'Kay there you go . 230.28 ES2008b D FEE032 3 231.264 240.269 231.28 240.17 Alright , so , I don't know if you guys are able to get access to um the report that was online or if I'm the only one who is . 232.32 233.54 240.17 ES2008b B FEE030 1 231.792 233.28 231.95 232.34 Alright . 232.34 ES2008b D FEE032 3 241.504 244.253 241.52 244.2 But , I don't even know how to play this . 242.04 244.2 ES2008b D FEE032 3 246.176 246.928 246.2 246.8 No . 246.8 ES2008b A FEE029 0 247.824 253.136 247.84 253.02 Press the little presentation . It's the um it looks like a Y_ kind of over there above Draw . 249.24 253.02 ES2008b A FEE029 0 254.336 256.65 254.36 256.47 There , that one , there you go . 254.68 255.9 256.47 ES2008b D FEE032 3 256.064 280.256 256.08 280.22 Alright . So we're just gonna talk a little bit about the functional requirements that people specified when they were asked . Um I guess Real Reaction did some market research . They had a hundred subjects and their usability lab and they watched them watch T_V_ and recorded the frequency that they used particular buttons and the relevance that those buttons had . 257.45 263.47 266.41 280.22 ES2008b D FEE032 3 285.328 336.616 285.35 336.5 What they found was they analysed people's desires and needs . Focusing on their desires , um people specifically said that they thought remotes were ugly , seventy five per cent of the a hundred subjects noted that and that they more importantly though , eighty per cent said that they would be willing to pay more for a fancier looking remote . I don't know anything beyond what fancy means , but that's particularly of use to us , I think . Um also they did some questions on voice recognition and found that the desire for voice recognition was inversely related to age , so younger people were more inclined to want something with voice recognition , whereas the older people in the like sixty and above segment or so did not really think that they would pay more money for voice recognitions . 289.44 291.28 295.68 301.43 306.47 309.3 312.17 313.4 322.59 328.02 336.5 ES2008b B FEE030 1 306.79 307.505 307.06 307.42 Hmm . 307.42 ES2008b D FEE032 3 337.712 344.978 337.73 344.92 Um people also had certain frustrations , that I think that we could try to take into consideration with 340.96 ES2008b B FEE030 1 337.574 338.339 337.74 338.26 'Kay . 338.26 ES2008b D FEE032 3 345.52 375.504 345.54 375.47 our design . That being people k um frustrated with losing their remotes . I think , over fifty percent of the people mentioned that that was their biggest frustration . People are also frustrated with the difficulty it is to learn how to use a remote and I think that ties back to what you were saying before just that there's too many buttons , it just needs to be easy to use . It also mentioned something called R_S_I_ and I was hoping someone might be able to inform me as to what R_S_I_ is , because I don't know . 346.57 351.66 352.08 356.65 366.59 368.68 374.46 375.47 ES2008b B FEE030 1 364.398 365.187 364.49 365.15 Hmm . 365.15 ES2008b C MEE031 2 374.445 376.272 374.74 376.24 Repetitive strain injury . 376.24 ES2008b D FEE032 3 376.96 377.3 376.98 377.2 What ? 377.2 ES2008b C MEE031 2 377.344 378.608 377.36 378.57 Repetitive strain injury . 378.57 ES2008b D FEE032 3 378.528 405.9 378.55 405.56 Ah . There we go . Wow . People do not like that . So I guess sort of the carpal tunnel type thing , people do not like that , um the repetitive use , I guess , caused a strain . Um looking at the needs people specified , the problem right now is that people's remotes are not matching their operating behaviour . People are only using ten per cent of the buttons that they have offered to them on their remote . 379.56 380.43 380.93 382.74 384.57 385.85 387.23 388.2 389.69 393.37 398.53 405.56 ES2008b C MEE031 2 380.732 381.619 380.92 381.619 So if you - ES2008b D FEE032 3 405.9 434.048 406.02 434.01 And what people do most often is changing the channel and changing the volume . People also zap like to change the channel , about um sixty five per cent during an hour of use . So we really just need to focus in on those volumes and channel changers rather than things like the audio settings , the screen settings and the channel settings , because they're used much more infrequently and probably just complicate what's going on . 411.51 414.73 419.52 427.31 429.34 434.01 ES2008b D FEE032 3 435.15 442.736 435.27 442.7 So I think that some things that we might wanna think about , the idea of an L_C_D_ screen was brought up although they didn't have any details on 438.2 ES2008b D FEE032 3 443.792 485.126 443.81 485.02 what people's preferences on that were , so I dunno know if that's coming to me later , or something like that . But something for us to consider also just the phenomenon that less is more when it comes to the buttons on the remote or what we wanna make easiest to use , make sure that , you know , something like an audio setting isn't given as much importance and visibility on the remote as something like channel changing that's used a lot more often . And basically in order for us to win over to the consumer we just need to focus on what it looks like , that it has a fancy appeal and that it's not ugly and that it feels like the way they're gonna use it , so it doesn't give them any hand injuries or things like that . 445.23 446.71 447.93 457.18 458.14 458.42 468.54 473.87 480.16 485.02 ES2008b B FEE030 1 485.157 485.727 485.31 485.69 Hmm . 485.69 ES2008b A FEE029 0 489.584 500.288 489.6 500.21 Thank you very much . That was that was great . Um 's move on to the next presentation um on effects . Was that you ? Great . 490.26 492.07 497.86 499.67 500.21 ES2008b B FEE030 1 490.964 491.664 491.24 491.47 Mm 'kay . 491.47 ES2008b D FEE032 3 497.843 498.525 497.99 498.21 Hmm . 498.21 ES2008b D FEE032 3 501.504 503.04 501.87 502.92 Yeah , have I unscrewed it ? 502.07 502.92 ES2008b A FEE029 0 506.088 507.002 506.24 506.7 Push . 506.7 ES2008b A FEE029 0 508.784 510.064 508.81 509.99 User interface , right . 509.78 509.99 ES2008b A FEE029 0 510.747 512.497 511.51 512.39 Interface . 512.39 ES2008b D FEE032 3 516.838 517.328 517.02 517.23 Here we go . 517.23 ES2008b C MEE031 2 518.048 518.56 518.07 518.53 Cheers . 518.53 ES2008b D FEE032 3 518.752 518.992 518.79 518.88 Mm-hmm . 518.88 ES2008b D FEE032 3 524.768 528.4 524.79 528.37 And I think that's in the shared , if I did it right , if anyone wants to look at it . 526.24 527.07 528.37 ES2008b A FEE029 0 527.851 529.34 528.2 529.0 Mm 'kay , thank you . 528.62 529.0 ES2008b B FEE030 1 528.089 530.206 528.25 530.15 Okay , great . 529.54 530.15 ES2008b A FEE029 0 563.856 564.428 563.88 564.11 Okay . 564.11 ES2008b C MEE031 2 564.176 564.592 564.2 564.53 Here we go . 564.53 ES2008b C MEE031 2 569.904 576.176 569.97 576.14 Right so I'm gonna talk about the technical technical functions design of the remote control um . 576.14 ES2008b C MEE031 2 578.096 603.02 578.12 602.92 We need to start by considering what a remote control actually is . It's a device that allows us to produce certain effects on our television , so i it's basically a communication device . We we tell the remote control what we want to do , it sends a message to the television saying change the channel , change the volume , uh yeah , adjust these settings , adjust the brightness . 581.37 588.66 591.86 595.08 598.18 599.7 601.08 602.02 602.92 ES2008b C MEE031 2 605.088 609.024 605.11 608.99 Um how do we actually go about designing a new television remote control ? 608.99 ES2008b C MEE031 2 610.064 626.327 610.08 626.15 First thing to do is to come up with the design specifications . We need to know what our final product is gonna be like , so we need a a clear idea of exactly what this product does , uh how it works , and what the end-user is gonna want from this product . 613.51 616.0 621.37 623.1 626.15 ES2008b C MEE031 2 627.44 628.048 627.46 628.01 Um . 628.01 ES2008b C MEE031 2 629.168 643.577 629.19 643.36 Oh , a way I'd suggest that we could go about this is by designing uh several different prototypes of user interfaces for this product , um and then uh trying to get some feedback uh about 629.63 638.49 ES2008b C MEE031 2 644.446 656.176 644.49 656.14 h how well these particular prototypes work , uh sorta find out what people think of 'em . Um using a remote control is is quite a subjective experience . Um , 647.58 650.6 655.43 656.14 ES2008b A FEE029 0 655.251 656.437 655.49 656.22 Hmm . 656.22 ES2008b C MEE031 2 657.296 660.113 657.32 660.02 and different different people sort of prefer different things . 660.02 ES2008b C MEE031 2 661.168 691.817 661.19 691.69 Um we should remember that remote controls are a a fairly standard piece of equipment . When a users using a remote control , he or she expects the buttons to be in certain places . So in some sense we're gonna we're gonna have to aim for a device which is fairly conventional in design uh so that we're not completely shocking people . But I think within that there is also room for us to introduce novel ideas uh and to make something that's that's perhaps a little bit different , something that stands out . 667.22 669.33 672.66 682.39 690.72 691.69 ES2008b C MEE031 2 693.424 718.027 693.44 717.93 Um also in in designing the user interface we need to consider practicalities . Uh the first of these is is technological ye uh what can we do with the current state of technology as it is . The second is is economic , uh we need to find a balance between features and price . So as you mentioned things like voice recognition would would add to the price uh but it would also im improve the design of the product . 698.53 705.06 706.94 709.9 717.93 ES2008b A FEE029 0 715.991 716.643 716.18 716.5 Hmm . 716.5 ES2008b C MEE031 2 719.973 747.806 720.05 747.7 So I had a look on the on the web uh to see if I could find a few examples of existing television remote controls . In analysing these we can consider what what things what's good about them , uh what things do they get right , what's bad about them , what's wrong with 'em , um how we can improve on the designs that that that I found and what can we do to make our product stand out from from the large majority of remote controls . 728.23 733.03 734.31 735.42 736.69 747.7 ES2008b C MEE031 2 749.456 782.038 749.49 781.83 Here's two examples uh probably at the extreme ends of the spectrum . Um on the left here we've got uh an engineering-based design for a remote control , so it's one that's got lots of buttons , it's it's fully featured , everything you might possibly want to do is there , you know , it's got forward , backwards , up , down , channel numbers , volume , uh freeze frame . Yeah , it's it's fully featured and it might take a while to get to learn to use it , but once you've learned it you can you can do whatever you want with your T_V_ . 754.15 761.76 763.84 765.74 767.81 768.05 769.04 769.57 769.78 770.23 771.11 771.77 773.56 773.81 778.38 781.83 ES2008b C MEE031 2 782.038 807.744 782.58 807.67 The one on the right is a lot more basic . It's just got the essential functions of the T_V_ changing the channel , play , stop , volume . It would be a lot quicker to learn to use it , but again th it's it's swings and roundabouts . There are disadvantages , you can't use it say to to freeze the television picture . Uh there's a lot of features that are missing from that remote control . So we've got to to find our find a way of striking a balance between the two . 784.39 787.65 787.86 788.34 789.39 791.47 794.97 795.88 799.89 803.4 807.67 ES2008b C MEE031 2 809.904 843.104 809.92 843.05 Um as I said before , remote controls are subjective , different people want want different things . Um personally wa what I want from a remote control is a device that's simple , it it's easy to use , uh it's got big buttons for doing the things I do most often , changing the volume , changing the channel . It it does everything that I need it to uh , as I said before , I'm quite lazy , I don't wanna walk across the room just to adjust my television . I also want something that that looks cool , um and that that feels good , that's ergonomically designed . 812.04 813.89 816.35 821.98 823.76 826.86 827.65 829.12 831.87 832.89 833.51 837.19 839.56 841.53 843.05 ES2008b A FEE029 0 848.112 857.178 848.13 856.98 Mm 'kay . Thank you very much . That was very useful . It's funny to see the drastic difference between those two remotes . Um . 848.51 849.33 851.35 856.51 856.98 ES2008b B FEE030 1 856.237 856.656 856.45 856.62 Hmm . 856.62 ES2008b A FEE029 0 858.08 860.176 858.1 860.14 And neither of them were very pretty , you know ? 859.67 860.14 ES2008b D FEE032 3 859.627 860.32 859.82 860.29 No . 860.29 ES2008b B FEE030 1 860.006 862.96 860.15 862.93 Yeah . I think that could be our selling point . 861.05 862.93 ES2008b A FEE029 0 863.088 864.073 863.11 863.84 Mm . 863.84 ES2008b D FEE032 3 863.109 866.192 863.15 866.11 A fashion fashion remote . 866.11 ES2008b C MEE031 2 865.375 874.144 865.46 874.1 I think there's there's certainly a market for technology that looks cool . And I think that's that's why companies like Apple've 've 've made a lot of progress . 869.41 874.1 ES2008b B FEE030 1 865.433 866.272 865.53 866.17 Right . 866.17 ES2008b A FEE029 0 868.728 869.693 869.27 869.65 Mm . 869.65 ES2008b D FEE032 3 869.312 869.792 869.37 869.72 Mm-hmm . 869.72 ES2008b B FEE030 1 872.462 877.984 872.76 877.984 Hmm . Right , I really can't see what I'm doing , so does anyone have a 874.88 875.07 876.48 ES2008b D FEE032 3 872.992 873.453 873.01 873.33 Yeah . 873.33 ES2008b A FEE029 0 878.064 878.848 878.08 878.78 You there it is . 878.78 ES2008b B FEE030 1 888.265 892.962 888.39 892.78 Ah-ha , look at that , showing up already . 888.96 890.94 892.78 ES2008b A FEE029 0 892.08 892.959 892.25 892.9 Lovely . 892.9 ES2008b D FEE032 3 892.206 896.198 892.32 896.08 So wait , did it let you go on the Internet or was that just what it let you see ? 892.69 896.08 ES2008b C MEE031 2 895.6 898.528 895.62 898.49 Uh that was just on the d on the company web site , yeah . 898.34 898.49 ES2008b D FEE032 3 897.344 902.432 897.36 902.432 Okay . 'Cause I was like googling and then I'm like wait it won't let me google . 898.37 902.34 ES2008b A FEE029 0 899.11 900.181 899.17 900.07 Hmm . 900.07 ES2008b B FEE030 1 899.23 899.799 899.46 899.76 Yeah . 899.76 ES2008b B FEE030 1 902.447 904.444 903.0 904.444 Alright um - ES2008b B FEE030 1 906.778 908.256 906.82 908.17 No , how do I play again ? 907.28 908.17 ES2008b A FEE029 0 909.104 920.928 909.18 920.74 Um the it's right above Draw . There are three thingy if it's way at the bottom . Under three icons and it's the one that looks like a desk . Yeah , that one . There are Y_s . 911.92 915.28 918.34 918.5 919.73 920.74 ES2008b B FEE030 1 914.992 915.344 915.04 915.27 Ah . 915.27 ES2008b B FEE030 1 919.716 945.323 919.86 945.03 Okay . So this is our working design presentation . Um I had a bit of some issues with this , because I wasn't able to find everything I needed , but I guess that's we're still in early stages . Um so , yeah , this is this . Though th the thing about working design is the what we're trying to do as a working design is figure out how the aparata apparatus can fulfil its function . 920.87 923.07 926.25 930.02 933.62 935.2 935.48 936.41 945.03 ES2008b B FEE030 1 945.323 970.434 945.49 970.34 Um one of the examples that kept coming up for me is that a coffee grinder . It works because it converts electrical energy to grinding the beans and then you put the bean through a filter and that filters out , and then you get coffee at the end that's nice and hot because of the combination of electrical energy and then the other things that are brought in to make it work . Don't know if I'm explaining that very well , but how do I get to the next s ah . 950.5 958.93 966.76 968.58 970.34 ES2008b B FEE030 1 971.136 989.65 971.16 989.62 So h the method as um working designers figure out what you need to make it fulfil this practical function , what what needs to be done and how do we convert all the elements to make that done . So wha the easiest thing to do is to break down all the points 979.65 984.62 ES2008b B FEE030 1 990.768 997.536 990.79 997.39 at which you need something to happen . So you make a schematic of the way that the the energy is converted 993.57 ES2008b B FEE030 1 998.592 1006.963 998.61 1006.963 tsh towards this practical function . And then I think the easiest thing to do is gonna be work on each task separately . So um 1000.2 1005.34 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1008.128 1009.632 1008.15 1009.57 Uh . Uh . 1009.25 1009.57 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1008.4 1010.451 1008.42 1010.35 You just press yeah , just click . That'll be fine . 1009.1 1009.92 1010.35 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1010.64 1044.993 1010.66 1044.6 So the findings that I got uh very just very briefly is that you have a choice of the way that the information is projected to the receiver and in my opinion infra-red is the best way to do that 'cause you don't need a sight line . So that's one thing we're gonna work on . Um the user interface is critical here , because a lot of the things that happen in a remote control happen through the chip that controls that converts the electrical energy into data , which then goes through the infra-red , so the the chip that uh I think Ian is designing , is gonna be crucial . 1025.69 1027.8 1029.79 1037.47 1039.13 1043.11 1044.6 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1044.993 1077.488 1045.07 1077.43 And really it all comes down to the to the user , because they're the one that's controlling most of the working design . So the components that we find here are the energy source , you know the battery or whatever that's gonna m make it work , then the chip , which converts the data , the user that's controlling the chip , and the infra-red bulb that's gonna let us move the data to the receiver . So you have four main components and they are designed sort of like this . You have your energy source right there which then um brings 1047.42 1051.67 1054.58 1057.53 1059.04 1060.13 1061.93 1065.86 1071.0 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1078.736 1091.52 1078.99 1091.39 uh energy or information to the chip , which is also controlled by the users . You have energy going to the user who's controlling the chip ooh 's not what I wanted to do uh uh . 1081.96 1084.35 1091.39 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1091.728 1095.312 1091.75 1095.25 Um yeah use that thing you can go back , previous . 1094.68 1095.25 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1095.152 1095.835 1095.17 1095.73 Previous . 1095.73 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1096.992 1098.217 1097.07 1098.08 Sorry about that , guys . 1097.72 1098.08 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1097.725 1099.274 1097.725 1099.22 Pardon . 1099.22 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1099.296 1100.032 1099.4 1099.88 Oh . 1099.88 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1101.144 1102.688 1101.41 1102.65 Oh , well . Okay . 1101.69 1102.37 1102.65 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1101.392 1104.864 1101.41 1104.83 No , no , no , no , no . Okay , let's just get back to my schematic here . 1101.56 1101.76 1101.93 1102.1 1102.54 1102.84 1104.83 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1105.687 1106.419 1105.93 1106.14 Ye - ES2008b A FEE029 0 1107.2 1108.245 1107.22 1107.97 Double click on it . 1107.97 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1109.124 1111.168 1109.25 1111.13 With the right with the left hand one . 1111.13 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1110.384 1160.4 1110.43 1160.37 W yeah , yeah . I think it's frozen . Here . Don't show me that tip again . There we are . Sorry about this , guys . I'm kind of pathetic with things like this . Um alright . So you have your energy source , your user interface who's controlling the chip , the chip also uses the energy , and the chip through the use of the user interface is gonna control the switch which will work your infra-red bulb , which will then bring the data to the receiver . So hopefully that makes sense for everyone in my kind of garbled way . This is the the parts of the working design that need to be figured out . And personal preferences , besides the fact that I can't spell , we need a long-lasting energy source , people don't wanna be changing it a lot . We need a chip that works well with the user interface , that isn't too complicated . 1111.57 1112.73 1113.91 1114.57 1116.64 1117.51 1118.34 1118.67 1121.98 1123.15 1124.63 1127.17 1129.2 1135.11 1138.01 1142.49 1147.7 1150.08 1151.98 1153.81 1155.87 1159.05 1160.37 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1115.872 1117.322 1115.872 1117.28 There we are . 1117.28 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1142.64 1143.308 1142.66 1143.26 Mm-hmm . 1143.26 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1161.744 1177.584 1161.76 1177.53 We need a straightforward interface , like Ian was saying , simple , not overwhelming it with information and we need a reliable and clear infra-red signal , so that you're not waving your remote around and having to get frustrated and go do it by hands . So that's pretty much it for the working design . 1163.06 1164.01 1164.78 1170.84 1175.48 1177.53 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1172.656 1173.454 1172.68 1173.39 Mm-hmm . 1173.39 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1180.832 1182.363 1181.11 1182.21 Excellent . 1182.21 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1195.529 1197.333 1195.66 1197.3 So , um . 1196.58 1197.3 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1203.056 1204.727 1203.08 1204.69 Rose , do you think you can give me a hand with this ? 1203.27 1204.69 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1204.421 1205.664 1204.58 1205.55 Yes , absolutely . 1204.84 1205.55 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1215.68 1217.912 1215.77 1217.84 Ah I can never tell which way to turn these things . 1217.84 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1217.584 1217.936 1217.6 1217.9 Yeah . 1217.9 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1220.656 1228.576 1220.68 1228.41 Lefty loosey , righty tighty , right ? Lefty loosey , righty tighty . 1221.23 1221.76 1225.26 1226.41 1228.41 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1222.318 1222.777 1222.45 1222.74 Yeah . 1222.74 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1224.176 1224.792 1224.2 1224.69 What's up ? 1224.69 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1225.23 1226.381 1225.25 1226.33 Lefty loosey . 1226.33 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1228.016 1232.876 1228.13 1232.876 Uh . Never heard that before , that's good . 1229.49 1230.66 1232.56 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1230.096 1232.32 1230.096 1232.09 Oh yes . 1232.09 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1237.744 1239.04 1237.77 1238.99 I'll think of that every time now . 1238.99 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1239.632 1240.93 1239.66 1240.8 It's gonna stick in your head . 1240.8 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1239.696 1241.52 1239.76 1241.48 Yeah , that's a good one it'll stick with you . 1239.92 1241.48 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1247.312 1248.016 1247.33 1247.6 Mm 'kay . 1247.6 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1259.04 1261.311 1259.11 1261.27 Um I have nothing on my screen . 1261.27 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1263.966 1265.01 1264.05 1264.65 Just a sec . 1264.65 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1265.248 1265.488 1265.3 1265.38 Mm . 1265.38 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1265.552 1266.163 1265.57 1265.78 Here we are . 1265.78 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1267.04 1267.872 1267.07 1267.84 Ooh , no signal . 1267.28 1267.84 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1267.2 1268.48 1267.57 1268.42 Okay , yeah , it's fine . 1267.93 1268.12 1268.42 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1270.4 1289.952 1270.42 1289.87 Okay , requirements . We have a couple new requirements that I was just e-mailed right before the meeting and that we have to keep in in um in mind as we're creating this . We didn't bring it up yet , or at all in the meetings so far , but we're not gonna work with teletext because um well it that's been taken over by the internet , so we're not gonna worry about um we're not gonna worry about that . 1270.9 1271.95 1278.78 1280.14 1281.27 1286.79 1289.87 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1275.134 1275.762 1275.19 1275.62 Okay . 1275.62 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1289.904 1291.352 1289.92 1291.21 What's teletext ? 1291.21 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1291.824 1292.448 1291.84 1292.29 Um . 1292.29 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1291.73 1293.581 1292.05 1293.36 Uh , it's a British thing . 1292.56 1293.36 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1293.911 1295.502 1294.05 1295.502 Oh . Oh , so 1294.68 1294.86 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1294.528 1295.565 1294.55 1295.53 You don't have it in the States ? 1295.53 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1295.584 1296.542 1295.6 1296.542 No . 1296.35 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1295.92 1298.096 1295.97 1298.01 It no . W d could would you care to explain it ? 1296.48 1298.01 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1296.816 1300.624 1296.84 1300.624 Oh , I didn't realise . Um yeah , it's like a 1297.0 1298.31 1299.66 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1301.68 1333.581 1301.7 1333.36 I suppose it's kind of similar to a very very basic web browser . Um you have like you have uh numbers on your remote control , uh y and you type in the page number you want , so like you type a hundred on your remote control and this this kind of index appears on the television screen with just some some text and some very blocky looking graphics on it . And you just type numbers to go to different pages and it gives you information , mostly rather boring stuff like what's on T_V_ next and share prices and that kind of thing . 1304.95 1310.2 1313.53 1324.43 1328.54 1333.36 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1309.952 1310.272 1309.99 1310.24 Mm-hmm . 1310.24 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1329.19 1329.821 1329.39 1329.68 S - ES2008b B FEE030 1 1333.157 1335.408 1333.157 1335.37 Lottery numbers and sport scores . 1335.37 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1335.344 1336.99 1335.36 1336.72 Yep , news headlines . 1336.06 1336.72 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1336.608 1341.604 1336.63 1341.45 But if you ever see the T_V_ saying like go to page one sixty on Ceefax now , that's what they're talking about . 1340.68 1341.45 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1341.704 1343.072 1342.47 1342.89 How ? 1342.89 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1342.346 1343.22 1342.55 1343.01 Oh . 1343.01 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1342.896 1345.749 1342.92 1345.69 It's earl it's pretty old technology . It's like nineteen eighties . 1344.38 1345.69 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1344.769 1345.328 1345.02 1345.29 Okay . 1345.29 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1345.6 1346.624 1345.62 1346.59 That explains a lot . 1346.59 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1346.544 1348.224 1346.56 1348.224 I have no idea why we don't have it , but 1347.96 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1348.976 1349.813 1349.01 1349.69 That's good . 1349.69 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1350.896 1358.688 1350.94 1358.688 Interesting . Okay um , well , we're not gonna the management has decided we're not gonna work with that . Um 1352.54 1353.56 1353.83 1358.0 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1363.104 1378.848 1363.18 1378.77 Okay um and we're also gonna w like your question earlier um whether this is going to be t for television , video , or etcetera . Just for television . That's what we're focused on . Um otherwise becomes to complex , we wanna get this out um very quickly . We only have a a short amount of time . 1368.3 1368.56 1369.69 1371.02 1372.54 1374.14 1376.56 1378.77 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1370.983 1371.616 1371.09 1371.43 Right . 1371.43 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1379.188 1379.544 1379.26 1379.44 'Kay . 1379.44 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1379.872 1391.232 1379.89 1391.16 Um and finally there's more marketing , I think , um , our corporate image has to be recognisable . So while we're gonna make it look pretty we need to use our colour and our slogan i in the new design . 1382.08 1382.44 1383.12 1385.99 1391.16 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1386.809 1387.374 1386.87 1387.34 Mm . 1387.34 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1394.013 1400.317 1394.24 1400.19 So what's our corporate image like ? It's It's kind of yellow colour with uh we put fashion in electronics . 1395.71 1400.19 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1398.256 1404.448 1398.31 1404.37 Looks like , yeah , kind of a yellow and black and we have that the emphasis on the R_s in um mm-hmm . 1398.82 1399.06 1404.37 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1402.792 1403.664 1402.81 1403.63 It's like double R_ . 1403.63 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1404.688 1404.912 1404.71 1404.86 Yeah . 1404.86 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1405.952 1408.336 1405.97 1408.28 But it's , yeah , we put the um 1406.33 1406.76 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1410.24 1413.936 1410.26 1413.88 fashion in electronics . So we gotta keep that in that in mind . 1412.18 1413.88 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1414.333 1416.384 1414.54 1416.35 Okay , so we want something that looks good 1415.15 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1416.688 1417.472 1416.71 1417.44 Yep . Yep . 1417.31 1417.44 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1417.598 1418.48 1417.69 1418.45 and is yellow . 1418.45 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1419.392 1424.048 1419.42 1424.01 Yeah , or ha maybe some buttons could be yellow . Like , we can we can play around with it a little bit . 1419.73 1422.36 1422.47 1424.01 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1421.919 1422.32 1422.04 1422.28 Okay . 1422.28 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1425.584 1426.128 1425.71 1426.07 Um . 1426.07 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1427.408 1453.072 1427.43 1453.04 Okay , we need to talk about our functions and our target group . We need to decide who our target group is . You um in your analysis of different market um of the marketing , you identified that different groups wanted different things or had certain preferences , for example that um that older people didn't really care for um voice recognition , but younger people did . Um and so who are we aiming this at ? 1427.67 1431.53 1433.23 1436.99 1441.83 1447.89 1449.65 1453.04 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1436.544 1436.992 1436.67 1436.96 Mm-hmm . 1436.96 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1447.712 1448.384 1447.75 1448.25 Mm-hmm . 1448.25 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1455.882 1467.846 1456.0 1467.77 Well if we're gonna say that function um fashion we put the fashion in in electronics then you automatically , I think , a sort of younger group that that's who's gonna be attracted to this . 1463.51 1464.08 1467.77 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1469.76 1473.379 1469.78 1473.08 Yes , I do think , who's gonna have the money to buy that also , that one ? 1469.99 1470.33 1472.69 1473.08 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1472.336 1480.199 1472.5 1480.15 Mm-hmm . It's gonna be twenty five Euro remember , so um it has to be avai marketable to um whomever it is . 1473.49 1475.27 1480.15 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1480.4 1480.688 1480.43 1480.65 Mm-hmm . 1480.65 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1481.44 1489.456 1481.46 1489.42 Is it is it something that's gonna be sold separately from the television or is it something that comes w with a television ? 'Cause that would affect the way that we market it . 1487.49 1489.42 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1490.049 1499.913 1490.12 1499.79 Well at least right now what we're doing is um deciding on just the remote itself , so it will probably be sold separately , twenty five Euro by itself . 1494.96 1498.22 1499.79 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1495.168 1495.682 1495.22 1495.46 Right . 1495.46 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1497.6 1498.304 1497.62 1498.23 Right , okay . 1497.88 1498.23 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1500.048 1525.245 1500.08 1525.16 The only break-down that I was given in terms of age was the voice activation and basically there's a big jump , after thirty five people don't really care if it has voice , so it's like basically fifteen to thirty five that think that that's a good idea . I dunno I'm gonna be given any other numbers broken down in terms of age later , but if that's sort of the only quality that we have that is divided into age then we would wanna stick between the fifteen and thirty five range . 1505.62 1509.14 1514.07 1517.54 1525.16 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1512.4 1513.088 1512.43 1512.92 Mm-hmm . 1512.92 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1525.68 1535.113 1525.7 1535.05 Yeah , that's probably uh a population w quite a little bit of disposable income for use on technology anyway , so that might be a fairly good target group for us . 1526.26 1531.75 1535.05 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1532.512 1532.791 1532.53 1532.73 Yeah . 1532.73 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1535.184 1540.62 1535.2 1540.53 Now , those are that's all specific for speech recognition . Are we gonna use that as one of our functions ? 1535.69 1538.7 1540.53 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1543.136 1543.664 1543.16 1543.6 Um . 1543.6 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1544.736 1545.008 1544.78 1544.97 Mm . 1544.97 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1546.192 1549.575 1546.21 1549.49 I I would say no , because it's gonna add too much to the price . 1547.52 1549.49 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1550.576 1569.263 1550.61 1569.1 Especially if we are marketing it as a separate product , people are gonna be paying uh , well , uh we've got a price limit of was it twelve twelve and a half Euros for to produce it ? And I wonder if we can get voice recognition into that twelve and a half Euros without having to make too many other compromises . 1554.27 1557.12 1557.45 1562.71 1569.1 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1553.2 1553.839 1553.27 1553.8 Mm-hmm . 1553.8 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1558.3 1559.019 1558.57 1558.98 Mm . 1558.98 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1561.056 1562.069 1561.08 1561.97 To produce it , yeah . 1561.69 1561.97 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1561.648 1562.971 1561.67 1562.86 To produce it , yes . 1562.23 1562.86 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1565.232 1565.876 1565.26 1565.84 Mm . 1565.84 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1569.632 1585.872 1569.65 1585.71 But what else are we gonna put , I mean not that I'm really gung-ho about it , I don't know what else you can put in a remote to make it technologically advanced though . So like other than just making it look good , how is it I mean it can look really great and still have the same up-n-down buttons and why's anyone gonna buy a new remote ? 1570.73 1573.15 1577.31 1579.67 1585.71 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1578.272 1578.64 1578.3 1578.61 Yeah . 1578.61 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1579.439 1579.898 1579.59 1579.79 Hmm . 1579.79 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1583.083 1584.896 1583.2 1584.86 But right . 1584.86 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1586.064 1605.194 1586.08 1605.09 Well but why are we why are we aiming for a technological advancement ? Everything we're talking about is ease of use and simple and that doesn't necessarily mean more technology , in fact it could use it could mean , not . If they might be overwhelmed with with remotes that have too many buttons and too much technology . 1589.57 1596.24 1598.7 1599.65 1605.09 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1594.288 1594.72 1594.32 1594.69 Mm-hmm . 1594.69 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1596.208 1598.028 1596.27 1597.87 That's a good thing to keep in mind . 1597.87 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1605.488 1609.248 1605.51 1609.21 If someone's looking to buy a new remote , don't they want like an upgrade ? I dunno . 1606.95 1608.69 1609.21 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1610.064 1614.736 1610.08 1614.7 Upgrade ? Well , we can look for we can look at upgrade or we can look at um user-friendly . 1610.98 1611.45 1614.7 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1614.72 1623.936 1615.08 1623.9 Yeah , simplification . They could have a crap remote that came with their T_V_ that's just impossible to use , or maybe it broke , or maybe they're just missing it . 1615.29 1616.66 1621.15 1622.02 1623.9 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1616.432 1616.656 1616.45 1616.62 Yeah . 1616.62 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1616.521 1617.8 1616.56 1617.8 Simplification , so 1617.36 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1616.464 1616.969 1616.6 1616.92 Mm-hmm . 1616.92 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1622.693 1623.104 1622.74 1623.07 Mm-hmm . 1623.07 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1626.0 1626.544 1626.03 1626.51 Uh-huh , mm . 1626.28 1626.51 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1628.128 1635.551 1628.15 1635.551 And we also need to talk about if we're only gonna have the very simple ones or also have the other ones just separate somehow or - ES2008b B FEE030 1 1635.213 1635.6 1635.34 1635.54 Hmm . 1635.54 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1635.164 1650.198 1635.46 1650.15 Can you like I mean this may be too complicated , but , I wish I had something to explain it , like if it was just a simple , either this way or this way , that had like the main buttons and then you could like pull something out , kind of and like you got the rest the buttons , but the rest of them like went in . Do you know what I'm saying ? 1637.69 1638.21 1640.19 1642.05 1643.1 1645.44 1647.25 1649.21 1650.15 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1635.92 1636.192 1635.94 1636.16 Yeah . 1636.16 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1646.438 1647.027 1646.6 1646.86 Ooh . 1646.86 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1649.071 1670.115 1649.1 1670.04 The remote There are remote controls like that , yeah . Like some T_V_s they have a sort of uh a sliding screen on the remote control of it that hides all the complicated buttons . So if you wanna do something complicated like programme your television or re-tune it , then you you open up this little hatch or or slide the screen down and there's all the all the special buttons . 1651.53 1652.12 1659.8 1664.67 1670.04 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1650.121 1651.535 1650.25 1651.39 Kind of pull out of the side . 1651.39 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1657.52 1658.18 1657.54 1658.07 Mm . 1658.07 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1659.28 1659.866 1659.3 1659.7 Ooh . 1659.7 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1667.632 1668.243 1667.68 1668.15 Mm-hmm . 1668.15 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1668.534 1669.309 1668.61 1669.25 Mm-hmm . 1669.25 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1670.0 1685.216 1670.02 1685.15 'Cause then 's like people who don't wanna ever look at them , never even have to see them and if you like get the instruction manual that comes with it and you just don't even read it then you'll never even know that those things can pull out . And you're a happy person and everyone else doesn't have to have like two remotes , one that has the easy ones and one that has 1672.25 1680.59 1683.61 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1673.76 1674.327 1673.8 1674.27 Mm-hmm . 1674.27 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1673.936 1674.579 1673.96 1674.54 Mm-hmm . 1674.54 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1674.24 1674.62 1674.32 1674.58 Yeah . 1674.58 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1680.384 1681.216 1680.43 1681.13 Mm-hmm . 1681.13 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1685.712 1687.536 1685.73 1687.41 Yeah , that's a good idea . 1686.62 1687.41 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1685.723 1688.124 1685.76 1688.03 more complicated ones , but 's all still in one . 1686.94 1688.03 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1685.936 1686.176 1685.96 1686.14 Yeah . 1686.14 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1686.096 1686.793 1686.12 1686.73 Mm-hmm . 1686.73 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1687.312 1688.604 1687.33 1688.47 I think that's a good idea , yeah . 1688.14 1688.47 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1688.784 1689.056 1688.82 1689.01 Mm . 1689.01 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1690.816 1700.751 1690.93 1700.72 Um we have to be careful that that that doesn't impede um the chip transmitting information , but um that's gonna be mostly technological thing . Um . 1696.36 1699.88 1700.72 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1695.888 1696.256 1695.91 1696.22 Yeah . 1696.22 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1696.344 1699.336 1696.69 1699.2 Good point . Yeah . 1698.88 1699.2 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1696.494 1697.277 1696.71 1697.07 Yeah . 1697.07 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1703.712 1706.832 1703.73 1706.76 Okay um , so what are we emphasising ? 1705.03 1706.76 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1708.544 1709.841 1708.59 1709.8 I what in this project ? 1709.8 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1709.262 1711.6 1709.28 1711.54 Si simplicity and fashion . 1711.54 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1711.129 1713.048 1711.32 1712.87 I think simplicity , fashion . 1712.59 1712.87 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1711.602 1712.896 1711.72 1712.84 Simplicity and fashion . 1712.84 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1712.0 1713.316 1712.07 1713.17 Yeah mm . 1713.17 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1714.768 1730.741 1714.8 1730.7 Okay , those are very good goals , I think , um that we have to keep in mind in with everything we do . Simplicity and fashion and , yeah , or usability speci however you wanna say that , which includes um an emphasis on making the infra-red very functional , so that you don't have to travel around a lot . 1715.03 1716.05 1716.74 1719.32 1721.23 1721.41 1724.53 1728.88 1730.7 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1728.784 1729.213 1728.81 1729.13 Mm-hmm . 1729.13 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1729.248 1729.472 1729.27 1729.44 Yeah . 1729.44 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1730.944 1731.152 1730.96 1731.1 Yeah . 1731.1 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1735.408 1741.68 1735.43 1741.65 What can you do to like make the infra-red more functional , like why would it not be ? I'm just wondering . 1739.11 1740.91 1741.65 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1735.248 1736.128 1735.59 1736.07 Um . 1736.07 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1741.744 1745.536 1741.76 1745.536 I think it's a lot to do with battery , but that's just my 1744.71 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1744.496 1744.88 1744.52 1744.85 Okay . 1744.85 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1745.456 1752.208 1745.52 1752.17 The battery and that I think that the chip takes the data and presents it well , without sort of scattering . 1750.9 1752.17 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1752.368 1752.85 1752.39 1752.78 Mm-hmm . 1752.78 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1752.636 1753.984 1752.84 1753.95 So 's just the quality of the chip . 1753.95 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1754.576 1756.432 1754.6 1756.19 Yeah . I think so . 1755.2 1756.19 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1756.128 1756.416 1756.15 1756.38 Okay . 1756.38 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1757.504 1764.989 1757.52 1764.87 The quality uh quality of all the components really , I mean , we can't really do anything shoddy work , 'cause it's 1760.19 1761.4 1764.44 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1765.328 1765.52 1765.35 1765.49 Yeah . 1765.49 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1766.032 1767.477 1766.05 1767.33 gonna be visible down the line . 1767.33 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1769.568 1772.635 1769.59 1772.57 So our target group , we're saying , fifteen to thirty five ? 1770.66 1771.51 1772.57 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1773.264 1775.728 1773.28 1775.728 Well , I dunno how useful that number is if we're not doing 1773.51 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1775.685 1786.353 1775.84 1786.353 S voice recognition , which I kind of I kind of feel like voice recognition is not necessary in a remote control , like it might be necessary for a T_V_ but not for the remote c , you know . Seems a little bit 1777.13 1782.37 1784.9 1785.66 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1776.816 1777.216 1776.84 1777.18 Yeah . 1777.18 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1781.472 1782.144 1781.49 1782.11 Yeah . I don't . 1781.73 1782.11 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1784.448 1786.973 1784.47 1786.85 It's , yeah , it's pretty it's pretty high-tech . 1784.95 1785.12 1786.85 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1784.867 1785.637 1785.15 1785.58 Mm-mm . 1785.58 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1787.594 1788.505 1787.78 1788.07 Yeah . 1788.07 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1787.808 1789.681 1787.83 1789.62 Mm-hmm . Yeah , and it might be too expensive . 1788.23 1788.41 1789.62 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1789.632 1796.176 1789.65 1796.14 And if the whole idea is you're using a remote then why would you have voice , like you know what I mean and then it's like you wouldn't need a remote you'd just talk to your T_V_ . 1793.41 1796.14 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1793.728 1794.224 1793.76 1794.19 Mm-hmm . 1794.19 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1796.304 1797.136 1796.33 1797.136 Yeah . 1797.0 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1796.623 1801.546 1796.88 1801.47 It's for , like , the ultimately lazy people , who can't even be bothered to pick up the remote . 1797.23 1797.56 1799.01 1801.47 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1797.079 1797.897 1797.15 1797.8 Ooh . 1797.8 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1801.792 1802.096 1801.81 1802.06 Yeah . 1802.06 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1802.32 1822.696 1802.35 1822.696 Mm yeah . Maybe I mean if I get m more numbers , I'll e-mail you before the next meeting in terms of ages . But this doesn't divide up anything and there was only a hundred subjects also , which isn't , I mean , really isn't that representative , especially if it's a hundred subjects that th they then can subdivide into age groups that means there's very few in each age group , so 1803.37 1805.67 1809.07 1813.62 1814.55 1815.5 1816.54 1822.25 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1803.272 1803.982 1803.47 1803.66 I - ES2008b A FEE029 0 1813.024 1813.424 1813.05 1813.39 Mm-hmm . 1813.39 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1813.233 1813.725 1813.25 1813.57 Mm-hmm . 1813.57 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1823.57 1828.752 1823.59 1828.72 Yeah , but I th I think regardless we're we're aiming for the under sixty five or something . 1823.79 1828.72 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1828.814 1832.273 1828.95 1832.13 Under sixty five , okay , that's a good start . Um . 1829.9 1830.23 1831.33 1832.13 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1829.613 1830.142 1829.7 1830.05 Yep . 1830.05 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1833.12 1836.738 1833.14 1836.7 I'd say we're uh can we narrow it down to maybe um - ES2008b A FEE029 0 1837.664 1838.768 1837.68 1838.68 teenagers and families ? 1838.68 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1840.24 1842.176 1840.26 1842.14 'Cause that would go up to like fifty ? 1842.14 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1840.713 1843.232 1840.73 1843.2 Or like single professionals or something . 1843.2 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1843.726 1846.277 1843.75 1846.12 Twenty to like fifty five . 1846.12 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1843.728 1844.438 1843.76 1844.438 Okay , single 1843.93 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1847.984 1848.402 1848.0 1848.25 Yeah . 1848.25 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1847.935 1848.64 1848.02 1848.61 I dunno . 1848.61 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1849.984 1851.968 1850.0 1851.92 It's it's hard to narrow it down . 1851.92 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1850.816 1852.848 1850.84 1852.81 It's really hard to figure out right now . 1852.81 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1853.984 1875.616 1854.0 1875.58 I think the product appeals across a quite a broad range of ages . I mean , we we said simplicity is is one of the features , so it's going to appeal to people , maybe people who have problems with technology , you know , people who get scared by having lots of buttons , and that might be older people , but then we've also got fashion , which is something that definitely appeals to younger people . 1858.12 1858.44 1862.01 1865.25 1867.29 1867.54 1869.85 1871.55 1873.0 1875.58 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1857.513 1858.433 1857.71 1858.37 Mm-hmm . 1858.37 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1868.128 1868.863 1868.19 1868.52 Okay . 1868.52 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1871.397 1872.323 1871.5 1872.29 Mm-hmm . 1872.29 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1874.612 1875.122 1874.67 1875.02 Yeah . 1875.02 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1875.664 1880.816 1875.68 1880.78 Well maybe we don't have to defi define the target group by the demographic of age , maybe we can define it by like the demographic of 1878.67 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1878.896 1879.303 1878.92 1879.22 Right . 1879.22 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1882.272 1891.776 1882.29 1891.74 like h t how much money they have to spend or something like that , like , well obviously it has to be someone who owns a television , and like how recently have they bought their television like that sort of thing . 1885.18 1885.62 1888.66 1891.74 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1884.208 1887.052 1884.23 1886.94 Yeah . Yeah aim for a an income group . 1885.11 1886.94 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1885.114 1886.129 1885.3 1886.02 That's a good point . 1886.02 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1885.785 1886.623 1885.88 1886.59 Mm-hmm . 1886.59 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1888.336 1888.936 1888.36 1888.9 Mm-hmm . 1888.9 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1888.848 1889.188 1888.9 1889.1 Yeah . 1889.1 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1892.336 1892.672 1892.36 1892.59 Mm . 1892.59 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1892.942 1905.008 1893.05 1905.008 So maybe it's more useful to d d to define objectives like fashion and simplicity than to find specific target group as far as age is because , yeah , things so different will appeal to different people , but 1902.07 1902.26 1904.74 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1896.64 1898.495 1896.66 1898.09 Yeah , t probably . 1897.44 1898.09 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1900.326 1900.816 1900.49 1900.73 Yeah . 1900.73 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1906.016 1915.072 1906.04 1914.93 Okay . Um oh , there're a couple functions do we want something so that do we want some kind of thing to find it if it's lost ? 1907.22 1908.01 1914.93 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1916.112 1916.459 1916.13 1916.42 Mm . 1916.42 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1916.368 1916.914 1916.39 1916.86 Yeah . 1916.86 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1916.512 1921.545 1916.53 1921.48 Like a button on a T_V_ you can press and it'll ring or something , I don't know like or beep ? 1919.49 1921.48 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1920.703 1921.234 1920.8 1921.14 H - ES2008b D FEE032 3 1922.096 1932.88 1922.12 1932.85 I mean , like I said before , fifty per cent of of the fru f like frustration someone can have that was the biggest one and half the people said that happened and we all mentioned it before we knew about it . 1922.64 1923.87 1932.85 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1931.03 1931.929 1931.32 1931.85 Mm-hmm . 1931.85 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1933.568 1933.792 1933.59 1933.76 Yeah . 1933.76 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1934.304 1944.46 1934.33 1944.46 And if we're talking about making something easy that sort of goes along with it so it wouldn't be like a random thing to sort of add in . It would be relevant to like the overall goal I think , so 1941.83 1944.04 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1941.457 1942.174 1941.66 1942.03 Mm . 1942.03 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1943.248 1943.981 1943.47 1943.91 Mm . 1943.91 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1943.888 1945.389 1943.91 1945.29 Yeah , that'll probably be good . 1944.39 1945.29 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1945.703 1953.646 1945.78 1953.55 Okay , we have to we have about four minutes left to define our functions . So let's do that quickly . Um so we want something to keep it from getting lost . 1945.97 1949.1 1951.13 1953.55 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1953.848 1954.475 1953.99 1954.13 Yep . 1954.13 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1954.432 1954.752 1954.45 1954.72 Yeah . 1954.72 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1956.256 1958.992 1956.28 1958.86 And we want - ES2008b A FEE029 0 1960.352 1960.928 1960.37 1960.84 um - ES2008b A FEE029 0 1962.864 1965.376 1962.88 1965.24 we want large buttons for the essential things . 1965.24 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1965.744 1965.936 1965.76 1965.89 Yeah . 1965.89 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1966.144 1966.432 1966.16 1966.4 Yeah . 1966.4 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1966.544 1969.221 1966.56 1969.09 Large , accessible buttons for the essentials . 1966.84 1969.09 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1972.448 1976.664 1972.47 1976.59 We want a possibility to um to get um - ES2008b A FEE029 0 1978.352 1982.129 1978.43 1981.95 a possibility to get the extra functions . 1981.95 ES2008b B FEE030 1 1982.288 1982.72 1982.33 1982.69 Mm-hmm . 1982.69 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1982.88 1983.088 1982.9 1983.04 Yeah . 1983.04 ES2008b C MEE031 2 1985.872 1988.624 1985.9 1988.56 Which are kind of hidden away in some way or - ES2008b C MEE031 2 1989.68 1991.424 1989.7 1991.37 well not hidden but they're uh - ES2008b C MEE031 2 1992.32 1994.286 1992.34 1994.19 they're not as prominent as the main features . 1994.19 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1994.4 1995.033 1994.43 1995.0 Mm-hmm . 1995.0 ES2008b D FEE032 3 1994.462 1994.934 1994.56 1994.84 Hmm . 1994.84 ES2008b A FEE029 0 1999.008 2000.848 1999.03 2000.81 Um , yeah , hidden way . 1999.96 2000.41 2000.81 ES2008b A FEE029 0 2002.032 2009.808 2002.05 2009.808 And we also want it to be fashionable , which I'm not sure if that's a function so much as a um yeah 2005.85 ES2008b D FEE032 3 2010.045 2014.16 2010.045 2014.03 on your coffee table , it's not like an eye sore , that kind of thing . 2011.49 2012.79 2014.03 ES2008b A FEE029 0 2013.04 2013.615 2013.06 2013.58 Mm-hmm . 2013.58 ES2008b B FEE030 1 2013.679 2014.08 2013.73 2014.02 Yeah . 2014.02 ES2008b B FEE030 1 2018.374 2019.484 2018.59 2019.05 Alright . 2019.05 ES2008b A FEE029 0 2020.848 2023.456 2020.87 2023.42 Okay , do it . Any other essential functions that we need ? 2021.2 2021.68 2023.42 ES2008b A FEE029 0 2024.944 2027.52 2024.98 2027.49 Battery ? Do we need a long-life battery ? 2026.15 2027.49 ES2008b B FEE030 1 2026.452 2031.6 2026.47 2031.56 Battery battery use . Yeah , but I think that goes in with simplicity and ease of use really . 2028.74 2028.97 2031.56 ES2008b D FEE032 3 2029.072 2029.392 2029.09 2029.36 Yeah . 2029.36 ES2008b A FEE029 0 2032.791 2033.705 2032.84 2033.51 But we might as well . 2033.51 ES2008b D FEE032 3 2032.835 2035.048 2032.92 2034.71 So you never have to change the battery . 2034.71 ES2008b B FEE030 1 2034.688 2034.96 2034.71 2034.93 Yeah . 2034.93 ES2008b C MEE031 2 2038.464 2040.912 2038.48 2040.86 We should maybe investigate whether it needs a battery at all . 2040.86 ES2008b C MEE031 2 2041.936 2044.462 2041.96 2044.34 I suspect the remote control does need a battery , but 2044.17 ES2008b A FEE029 0 2044.496 2048.192 2044.57 2048.192 Yeah , I would imagine . Just 'cause it is an electronic device , the 2044.79 2045.97 2047.94 ES2008b B FEE030 1 2044.353 2045.053 2044.62 2045.0 Yeah . 2045.0 ES2008b C MEE031 2 2045.264 2046.208 2045.32 2046.208 I dunno if you can - ES2008b C MEE031 2 2048.16 2048.416 2048.18 2048.38 Yeah . 2048.38 ES2008b B FEE030 1 2048.166 2062.016 2048.3 2061.98 Mm . It I think it does . I don't I don't think of a way you can operate a chip and convert that much data without without one . But you could maybe have it in a little charging station like a mobile phone , or like a little cradle for your iPod . 2048.69 2049.64 2055.75 2060.43 2061.98 ES2008b C MEE031 2 2054.576 2056.409 2054.6 2056.26 Yeah , without the energy , yeah . 2055.07 2056.05 2056.26 ES2008b C MEE031 2 2062.496 2064.456 2062.52 2064.3 Yeah , that's that's possible . Yeah . 2062.76 2064.13 2064.3 ES2008b B FEE030 1 2063.142 2068.36 2063.16 2068.32 You could we could maybe do that instead . So you don't ha you got like a rechargeable battery . 2065.83 2068.32 ES2008b A FEE029 0 2066.094 2066.64 2066.11 2066.58 Charging . 2066.58 ES2008b C MEE031 2 2068.704 2068.912 2068.72 2068.88 Yeah . 2068.88 ES2008b B FEE030 1 2069.984 2075.136 2070.0 2075.1 I dunno , that might contribute to less people losing it too if it it stays in one place . 2070.33 2075.1 ES2008b A FEE029 0 2073.072 2073.587 2073.1 2073.55 Mm-hmm . 2073.55 ES2008b D FEE032 3 2075.36 2075.86 2075.41 2075.83 Mm . 2075.83 ES2008b A FEE029 0 2076.814 2087.42 2076.87 2087.42 We have to think about um space in living-rooms , too , like 'cause they're I mean , would you put it on top of the T_V_ ? I don't know , just think okay , that's that's a good idea , we'll keep it . Think it's 2079.36 2079.78 2081.47 2082.78 2083.51 2084.13 2085.26 2086.63 ES2008b B FEE030 1 2080.368 2080.64 2080.39 2080.6 Mm . 2080.6 ES2008b B FEE030 1 2086.16 2087.888 2086.18 2087.85 Yeah . That's just off the top of my head . 2086.83 2087.85 ES2008b A FEE029 0 2088.304 2088.96 2088.32 2088.93 And maybe fun . 2088.93 ES2008b A FEE029 0 2090.656 2096.457 2090.68 2096.32 Okay . Um 'kay we're gonna conclude now , has everyone said their functions and 'kay . 2091.25 2093.91 2096.32 ES2008b C MEE031 2 2095.943 2096.453 2095.96 2096.05 Yep . 2096.05 ES2008b A FEE029 0 2097.616 2116.352 2097.7 2116.29 Um after the meeting we're gonna each complete a sks um a questionnaire and a summaries summary . I don't know what summarisation . Um and then we'll have our lunch break . After that we have thirty minutes of individual work . Um I'll make sure to put up um the minutes and the project documentation and including these PowerPoint slides . If everyone could do that as well , that'd be great . 2102.84 2104.59 2106.46 2109.24 2114.45 2115.75 2116.29 ES2008b A FEE029 0 2117.36 2141.984 2117.38 2141.95 Um you each have individual actions , I_ um I_D_ Industrial Design you've your components concept , User Interface , the user interface concept , market trend wa watching . And as as per last time you'll get specific incrat instructions from your personal coach e-mailed to you . And hopefully , I hope , next time you'll be able to access more of the web site that they they seem to tell you that you could . 2119.17 2125.13 2126.05 2128.01 2130.23 2136.88 2137.38 2137.6 2141.95 ES2008b B FEE030 1 2142.336 2143.552 2142.36 2143.52 Yeah , who knows . 2143.14 2143.52 ES2008b A FEE029 0 2142.666 2144.8 2142.73 2144.8 It's kinda frustrating , but um 2143.82 ES2008b A FEE029 0 2147.072 2154.896 2147.09 2154.86 Be sure to note any frustrations or any um issues that come up in your um in your um summary . 2154.86 ES2008b B FEE030 1 2156.985 2157.613 2157.05 2157.42 Okay - ES2008b A FEE029 0 2158.896 2159.216 2158.95 2159.15 Mm 'kay ? 2159.15 ES2008b B FEE030 1 2159.399 2160.352 2159.46 2160.04 Sounds good . 2160.04 ES2008b A FEE029 0 2160.688 2161.36 2160.71 2161.33 Great seeing y'all . 2161.33 ES2008b D FEE032 3 2163.037 2164.448 2163.13 2164.19 It's good . 2164.19 ES2008b D FEE032 3 2166.384 2171.186 2166.4 2171.07 Did you um were you able to like put yours in the group folder ? Okay . 2170.43 2171.07 ES2008b B FEE030 1 2169.776 2175.074 2169.92 2174.99 Yes , I just did that . Hopefully it is there for people . Yeah ? 2170.43 2171.6 2174.56 2174.99 ES2008b D FEE032 3 2173.6 2173.962 2173.62 2173.83 Yep . 2173.83 ES2008b A FEE029 0 2176.384 2186.0 2176.5 2186.0 Looks like there are um looks like there's a second one kind of of mine that's that I didn't do , it's from like an earlier project , I think so um 2182.72 2183.98 ES2008b B FEE030 1 2181.632 2182.064 2181.66 2182.03 Yeah . 2182.03 ES2008b B FEE030 1 2184.88 2185.232 2184.9 2185.2 Okay . 2185.2 ES2008b D FEE032 3 2186.752 2188.877 2186.77 2188.877 Where is that ? Yours is 2188.17 ES2008b A FEE029 0 2188.768 2193.118 2188.85 2193.04 Under the shared folder , I don't know it might not even be under yours as well . Projects . 2190.23 2192.4 2193.04 ES2008b B FEE030 1 2190.631 2199.24 2190.79 2199.19 Technical . So in there we have technical functions presentation , working design presentation and the functional requirements . At least that's what I have in . 2191.54 2194.24 2197.84 2199.19 ES2008b D FEE032 3 2198.544 2201.184 2198.67 2201.15 I only have three , I just have like our three . Yeah . 2199.45 2200.89 2201.15 ES2008b B FEE030 1 2200.285 2202.835 2200.4 2202.75 Yeah , that's what I have as well , R Rose So . 2200.98 2201.87 2202.75 ES2008b A FEE029 0 2201.872 2203.792 2201.93 2203.76 Okay . You don't have mine ? 2203.06 2203.76 ES2008b D FEE032 3 2205.072 2209.248 2205.1 2209.19 No , but that's 'cause I think yours is in the e-mail separate , like it's not on the server . 2205.28 2207.82 2209.19 ES2008b A FEE029 0 2209.18 2211.25 2209.35 2211.15 S - ES2008b B FEE030 1 2210.816 2211.104 2210.84 2211.07 Yeah . 2211.07 ES2008b A FEE029 0 2215.424 2216.208 2215.46 2216.04 Mm . 2216.04 ES2008b D FEE032 3 2216.288 2221.515 2216.31 2221.515 But if I open it and then save it , probably will be there . Oh wait , never mind you can't save it to the 2218.21 2219.99 2220.2 ES2008b A FEE029 0 2225.236 2227.792 2225.26 2227.57 Okay . Well I'll figure that out in the meantime . 2226.17 2227.57 ES2008b B FEE030 1 2227.92 2228.272 2227.94 2228.24 Okay . 2228.24 ES2008b D FEE032 3 2228.224 2228.544 2228.26 2228.51 Okay . 2228.51 ES2008b A FEE029 0 2228.912 2229.438 2228.98 2229.18 Okay . 2229.18 ES2008c A FEE029 0 37.722 38.704 37.99 38.61 Mm-hmm . 38.61 ES2008c B FEE030 1 43.682 44.38 43.74 44.28 Mm yeah . 44.28 ES2008c A FEE029 0 48.064 49.44 48.57 48.99 Okay . 48.99 ES2008c A FEE029 0 50.763 52.252 50.763 52.2 I g yeah . 52.2 ES2008c A FEE029 0 56.487 58.279 56.88 57.47 Time is it ? 57.47 ES2008c D FEE032 3 58.307 60.56 58.307 60.4 Fourteen twenty six . 60.4 ES2008c A FEE029 0 60.605 91.318 61.32 90.78 Okay . Lovely to see you all again . Um it's our conceptual design meeting and it's starting at approximately fourteen twenty five and so we have forty minutes for this one again and so we'll go just after three o'clock . Um okay our agenda , we're gonna do an opening , I'm gonna review the minutes of the last meeting , then we'll have your three presentations um and then we'll have to make a decision on the remote control concepts , and finally we'll close . 62.55 64.5 75.96 80.22 81.03 83.57 88.95 90.78 ES2008c B FEE030 1 91.466 91.99 91.66 91.92 Okay . 91.92 ES2008c A FEE029 0 91.318 125.296 91.68 125.24 So opening . Um these are our minutes from r the functional design . We decided our target group is the focus on who can afford it , because we have international appeal and we said it's for all age groups , different um functions of it . Our main objectives were simplicity and fashion . And s um in specific functions are something to keep the remote from getting lost , large buttons for the essential functions , a possibility for extra functions , like a sliding a sliding piece and a long-life battery or a charging station . 93.63 96.46 99.54 102.64 105.01 108.27 114.39 117.36 118.94 125.24 ES2008c A FEE029 0 126.96 140.496 126.98 140.08 Okay , now three presentations . I'd like to do it in this order , first do the conceptual specification of components , properties and materials um and then the conceptual specification of user interface and finally trend watching . 127.44 128.59 130.2 132.6 140.08 ES2008c B FEE030 1 134.003 135.44 134.2 134.96 That would be me . 134.96 ES2008c C MEE031 2 138.528 138.915 138.56 138.79 Yep . 138.79 ES2008c B FEE030 1 142.308 143.208 142.36 142.97 Alright . 142.97 ES2008c B FEE030 1 146.704 147.073 146.72 147.04 Well . 147.04 ES2008c A FEE029 0 152.745 153.799 152.81 153.53 Mm . 'kay . 153.1 153.53 ES2008c A FEE029 0 160.944 163.525 160.96 162.7 Function F_ eight it . There we go . 162.31 162.7 ES2008c B FEE030 1 163.908 165.212 164.24 165.03 Alright . 165.03 ES2008c B FEE030 1 165.904 183.842 165.92 183.67 Um I'm very excited by this one actually guys I uh had a lot of fun doing it . Components design . This is where you look at what does it take to make a remote control and what should we make our specific remote control out of . 173.18 175.17 183.67 ES2008c B FEE030 1 184.768 211.424 184.768 211.21 Um . So , we need to examine each element separately , but we're designing a full thing , so you wanna keep it integrated as a whole . The main elements of remote controls in general , and therefore ours as well , are the case , the buttons , the circuit board with the chip and the battery . These are all things that we had sort of addressed before , but I'm gonna take each one a little bit separately here as we figure out what they should be made of and what they should look like . 188.09 188.52 190.41 192.26 194.95 197.66 198.79 199.51 200.28 203.23 205.24 211.21 ES2008c B FEE030 1 212.695 245.338 212.76 245.29 The case , uh the options that I've gotten from headquarters about what we can do , um there's there's the shape of a case , we could do a flat sh a flat case , a curved case or maybe even a double double-curved case . I haven't seen any pictures of what this exactly looks like yet , just keep that in mind , but these are the options that we have from manufacturing and we can make our case out of plastic , the m the main base will be plastic , but we have all these sort of fashion and technological elements we can add in , wood , latex , titanium , rubber or other coloured types of plastic . 213.6 216.83 219.54 221.59 225.13 228.59 229.51 235.31 236.76 241.06 241.38 241.89 242.62 245.29 ES2008c B FEE030 1 246.103 289.568 246.27 289.52 That would be our case . Um buttons , for buttons we have um pushbuttons , which is what Real Reaction uses the most often , but we also have scror scroll wheels , which can have integrated pushbuttons , or we could go all high-tech and have an L_ L_C_D_ screen . Um circuit board and chip we can have a simple one , a regular one or an advanced one , depending on what our other needs are . And then battery I think is where things get most exciting . We're talking about long-life batteries here . Um we can we can have your sort of basic double A_ batteries , but we also have these options of um using a kinetic battery , like are used in high-tech watches , where you just have to move it a little bit to get it to power up . 247.97 249.04 251.82 254.7 257.4 259.13 263.77 266.58 268.28 271.05 274.18 276.59 279.7 283.86 286.44 289.52 ES2008c A FEE029 0 257.649 258.525 257.71 258.49 Mm . 258.49 ES2008c B FEE030 1 290.147 302.77 290.17 302.61 Um so simple movements like pushing buttons would recharge the battery . Or a solar battery , although there are slight um complications with solar batteries as in we can't use a latex case if we have a solar battery . 293.8 294.87 302.61 ES2008c A FEE029 0 301.951 302.571 302.13 302.54 Hmm . 302.54 ES2008c B FEE030 1 303.312 317.6 303.33 317.53 Or um something they only described as the type of battery you find in torches from about fifty years ago , flashlights . Not quite sure what that is , but that's the description that I received , so that's what I'm passing on to you . So those are our options . 309.75 311.02 312.29 313.99 316.18 317.53 ES2008c B FEE030 1 318.538 354.25 318.69 354.15 Um personal preferences that I was thinking through here's what we've been talking about all through , fashion and simplicity . So if we're going for fashion in our cases , I think that what we're gonna wanna look at is a curved or a double-curved case , probably with a variety of design elements . Maybe titanium , maybe some wood . We're gonna have to investigate that better when I get specifics of the actual materials , but that's sort of what I have in mind . And we wanna go for simplicity . Probably pushbuttons , but I'm sort of intrigued by the idea of a scroll scroll wheel , if anyone has anything 325.34 327.09 330.36 335.33 337.91 338.85 339.69 344.33 346.01 347.93 349.08 352.9 ES2008c A FEE029 0 352.268 352.816 352.49 352.78 Mm . 352.78 ES2008c B FEE030 1 355.019 401.2 355.04 401.16 any ideas on that ? I mean I know the iPods and things right now have touch scroll um buttons which are exactly like what they're describing , so that might be something we wanna look into . And I'm really intrigued by the idea of a kinetic battery . Solar I don't think would be such a good idea , because how often are you sure that your remote control will get a certain amount of light . But this idea of the kinetic , that you don't have to replace , and that a simple just shaking it around will make it work , I think that that m would be a very interesting thing . But I think we'd also wanna go for e a simple chip or regular chip to keep our costs down . Uh we really only need a regular or advanced chip t if we're gonna start using an L_C_D_ . So I think we want to be aware of not making things overly t 356.01 363.18 365.49 369.05 371.07 376.92 378.43 379.74 382.67 385.93 391.79 397.25 ES2008c B FEE030 1 402.496 416.688 402.52 416.688 technological if they don't need to be , 'cause that'll keep our manufacturing price way down . That's what I have for options . Um I'd appreciate anyone's input , but that's what I'm seeing for the future of the the look of this thing . 403.95 407.17 409.55 411.46 416.16 ES2008c D FEE032 3 416.832 420.496 416.85 420.33 Is double-curved like would be like two hands kind of thing ? 420.33 ES2008c B FEE030 1 420.576 423.315 420.6 423.24 I'm not sure . I haven't received any specific 421.17 ES2008c D FEE032 3 422.26 434.208 422.26 434.14 Okay . 'Cause I'm imagining like double-curved is like , you know , like two sides that curve and then like one curve would just be like a single vertical-ish kind of looking thing , but I've no idea . 424.26 427.16 427.35 433.27 434.14 ES2008c B FEE030 1 423.984 425.453 424.03 425.04 visuals of this yet . 425.04 ES2008c B FEE030 1 428.365 430.179 428.63 430.179 This is what I'm sort of - ES2008c B FEE030 1 432.388 436.646 432.388 436.58 Yeah . I'm not sure , but I'll let you know as soon as I get any pictures . 433.46 434.14 436.58 ES2008c D FEE032 3 436.135 436.944 436.42 436.91 Sounds good . 436.91 ES2008c A FEE029 0 437.824 439.168 437.95 439.168 Yeah , I wonder 438.13 ES2008c B FEE030 1 439.329 443.57 439.37 443.44 I know if we do have a double-curved case , it can't have any titanium in it . 441.81 443.44 ES2008c B FEE030 1 444.416 453.024 444.44 452.52 But the titanium , they were quite they're marketing quite hard to us as being used in the space programme , so that could be quite interesting . Space-age remote . 445.64 449.75 451.37 452.52 ES2008c A FEE029 0 453.411 457.905 453.6 457.57 Mm-hmm . Just an interesting marketing kind of element . 455.06 457.57 ES2008c B FEE030 1 454.208 457.31 454.59 457.25 Just all things to keep in mind . Yeah . 456.9 457.25 ES2008c B FEE030 1 458.528 463.836 458.528 463.7 That's about all I have to do , guys . I hope I didn't go through that too quickly . 460.51 461.67 463.7 ES2008c A FEE029 0 464.688 470.95 464.71 470.87 Uh just a real quick question um the weight of these different elements , have you no idea , okay . 469.03 470.36 470.87 ES2008c B FEE030 1 468.993 471.433 469.02 471.23 Yeah , n no idea , no idea . 469.18 470.43 471.23 ES2008c B FEE030 1 471.925 472.549 472.0 472.48 Um - ES2008c B FEE030 1 473.404 474.599 473.67 474.53 I'm assuming - ES2008c B FEE030 1 476.144 489.901 476.2 489.82 that a kinetic battery isn't gonna take up that much weight , and that a tita titanium is very light , I know , um but other than that's really basic , I mean , that's all I have gotten so far . Alright ? 480.29 482.34 483.06 486.11 486.97 489.5 489.82 ES2008c A FEE029 0 479.789 480.384 479.86 480.35 Mm-hmm . 480.35 ES2008c A FEE029 0 482.865 485.328 482.9 485.328 Mm-hmm . 484.72 ES2008c A FEE029 0 488.864 489.584 488.97 489.28 Okay . 489.28 ES2008c B FEE030 1 490.753 491.954 490.8 491.84 Any other questions ? 491.84 ES2008c C MEE031 2 493.753 495.528 493.77 495.08 Uh-huh . Don't think so . 494.4 495.08 ES2008c B FEE030 1 494.336 495.522 494.81 495.46 No ? Okay . 495.13 495.46 ES2008c A FEE029 0 497.635 498.392 497.66 498.15 Mm 'kay . 498.15 ES2008c B FEE030 1 497.594 508.192 497.81 508.192 I have save this in the uh shared projects , if anyone wants to look and I have c considerable notes on the topic as well , if anyone needs any more information . Uh 500.07 504.79 507.86 ES2008c A FEE029 0 501.117 503.141 501.28 502.72 Thank you , perfect . 501.74 502.72 ES2008c D FEE032 3 501.789 502.969 502.15 502.6 Thanks . 502.6 ES2008c A FEE029 0 508.468 516.16 508.53 516.07 Um if you made notes yourself you can put those on our um underneath our oh , uh in your book , then don't worry about that . 514.29 514.81 516.07 ES2008c B FEE030 1 513.397 518.944 513.54 518.63 Just in my notebook , but if anyone has any specific questions , don't hesitate to email me or something . 515.24 516.72 518.63 ES2008c B FEE030 1 519.984 522.25 520.0 522.25 Alright ? Uh I guess I can 520.45 ES2008c A FEE029 0 522.794 526.528 522.95 526.47 'Kay now we're um concepts concepts of user interface . 526.47 ES2008c A FEE029 0 532.57 534.848 532.89 534.8 Yeah , um . This one's so much tighter than the other one . 533.14 533.3 534.8 ES2008c B FEE030 1 534.366 535.328 534.366 535.29 I know . 535.29 ES2008c A FEE029 0 536.729 539.36 536.94 538.93 Okay . Nope . 538.58 538.93 ES2008c A FEE029 0 540.368 544.202 540.79 543.39 There we go . Here you are . 543.19 543.39 ES2008c C MEE031 2 544.661 545.656 544.76 545.26 Jess . 545.26 ES2008c B FEE030 1 554.54 555.68 554.81 555.63 G oh , geez . 555.11 555.63 ES2008c C MEE031 2 583.31 588.759 583.38 588.65 Alright , so I'm gonna describe the the concept of the user interface of this des device . 583.55 588.65 ES2008c C MEE031 2 591.064 601.129 591.08 600.79 Um we've talked about uh the two essential properties of the user interface . We want it to be simple and we want it to be fashionable . 597.39 600.79 ES2008c C MEE031 2 601.828 602.384 601.85 602.26 Um - ES2008c C MEE031 2 603.188 626.341 603.35 626.23 other we've also got to remember that this is a device that serves as a useful purpose . Uh we want people to be able to use it s as a remote control , so we need to determine what the essential functions of the d of the device are and make sure that we include that we've included all of those and that we actually end up with a device that is going to be useful to people . 608.17 612.41 626.23 ES2008c C MEE031 2 628.08 668.528 628.23 668.49 We have a number of different choices for a design concept um and s that's that's something that that I'll show you some examples of um , but essentially we need to choose how how is this device going to work , how how what kind of model is there going to be for user interaction with this device . Uh once we've chosen a a concept for it , we can then design the features around the concept , making sure that we get all the essential functions in the device and uh the extra functions and the more advanced features . And of course we also have to make it look cool . 638.82 644.04 650.63 654.12 657.16 666.55 668.49 ES2008c C MEE031 2 671.496 680.272 671.57 680.24 So basically , that's what we don't want . M we don't want lots of buttons , uh complicated features . We want something that looks nice and simple . 672.53 674.29 676.47 678.51 680.24 ES2008c C MEE031 2 681.979 704.849 682.16 704.67 Here's a a fairly simple device . This is an an iPod from Apple . Um I think the main thing to notice about it is it just has four buttons . It's very minimalistic in its design . Uh you use these four buttons to m to move around a range of settings on the small L_C_D_ screen . Um the thing I like about this is that 683.86 686.32 691.08 694.37 701.62 ES2008c B FEE030 1 682.146 683.357 682.44 683.24 Hmm . 683.24 ES2008c C MEE031 2 705.749 738.987 705.83 738.76 it's very very quick to access the main features . Uh you can just about make out uh that the button three buttons are uh previous track , next track and play pause . They're the main the main features of the iPod , the things you will use a all the time . Um then if you want to do anything more advanced , you go into the little menu on the L_C_D_ screen and you use the buttons just to scroll around and and find the more advanced features that you want . So I think that's that's a good a good kind of model that we could have . Um 709.15 716.19 718.26 720.86 723.14 725.94 733.77 738.24 ES2008c C MEE031 2 738.987 768.465 738.987 768.27 here's a another example . This is uh it's an interesting idea and I think i it looks pretty cool . Um it's certainly got novelty value . Uh it's nice and colourful , it's nice and bright . Uh it's also something that you can kind of feel your way around . The buttons are are different shapes and and you can sort of yeah if you're watching T_V_ in the dark or whatever , you can work out which button's which and basically , yeah it's ith it's fun . 741.25 747.54 750.32 751.87 753.41 757.4 763.6 766.71 768.27 ES2008c A FEE029 0 750.208 750.898 750.47 750.86 Mm . 750.86 ES2008c C MEE031 2 771.603 797.2 771.63 797.17 So I I like I like this idea of just having buttons for the features that you use most often . So you'd need a few buttons to select your favourite channels . I mean most people , when they watch T_V_ , they have two hundred and fifty channels on their T_V_ and they watch of 'bout four of them at the most . So , you have buttons for your favourite channel , changing the volume , which is something you do all the time when you're watching T_V_ , and the button to switch it off , in case you get bored . 777.66 781.59 782.24 783.96 789.25 789.93 791.36 792.23 795.1 796.39 797.17 ES2008c C MEE031 2 798.458 828.083 798.55 827.84 Um other features , things like adjusting the brightness , tuning the T_V_ , uh I don't know what else you do with a T_V_ . Um but these are these are all necessary functions . Uh you can't have a t there's no point having a television that you can't tune or that you can't set the contrast , so we need to find a way of including these somehow . Um and one other suggestions I'd make is to in is to include in a menu system , a bit like on the iPod . 800.44 802.16 803.8 807.56 811.82 818.03 821.14 826.58 827.84 ES2008c C MEE031 2 828.083 851.446 828.38 851.3 So we'd either have a small L_C_D_ display on the device itself , or uh have a dis a menu display that comes up on your television and can b be controlled through the device . And that would allow you to access access the advanced features uh whilst keeping a very small and simple set of buttons for the features that you use most often . 833.77 840.39 851.3 ES2008c B FEE030 1 840.016 840.496 840.04 840.46 Hmm . 840.46 ES2008c A FEE029 0 855.993 856.683 855.993 856.6 Okay . 856.6 ES2008c B FEE030 1 856.479 859.281 856.79 858.78 So you'd be advocating an L_C_D_ then ? 858.78 ES2008c C MEE031 2 860.0 876.208 860.38 876.17 I think that's that's one way to go , yes . Um I mean there are there are advantages and disadvantages if you if you have an L_C_D_ display , it's it's nice , because it's it it lets you just sort of sit there and st and control your television from your armchair . 862.97 863.67 868.96 870.45 876.17 ES2008c B FEE030 1 863.496 864.174 863.64 864.02 Okay . 864.02 ES2008c B FEE030 1 876.256 876.949 876.29 876.89 Mm-hmm . 876.89 ES2008c C MEE031 2 877.264 896.832 877.28 896.78 There are disadvantages , an an L_C_D_ display would have to be quite small , 'cause we're we're I well we're I assume we're gonna be making quite a small device . Um it would also have to have uh a kind of backlighting in it , 'cause you ten you tend to watch T_V_ in the dark , but you need to be able to see your L_D_D_ L_C_D_ display . 878.47 880.86 886.8 891.3 893.95 896.78 ES2008c B FEE030 1 881.848 882.597 881.92 882.28 Right . 882.28 ES2008c A FEE029 0 892.464 893.153 892.6 893.12 Mm-hmm . 893.12 ES2008c B FEE030 1 893.53 894.187 893.8 894.13 Right . 894.13 ES2008c C MEE031 2 897.606 904.816 897.63 904.77 The alternative is to have a an on-screen display on your television that you control through your remote control . Uh 904.39 ES2008c C MEE031 2 905.854 924.128 905.99 924.01 a bit like a bit like how they have these um digital boxes where you you press the buttons and it comes up with your this thing of watch lo what's on each channel . I mean that that's also a good idea . It's it can it does have it's problems as well , if you've got a small T_V_ and you're sitting on the other side of a room , it's hard to read the little text that comes up . 914.72 917.07 919.39 922.36 924.01 ES2008c A FEE029 0 913.536 914.214 913.65 914.18 Mm-hmm . 914.18 ES2008c B FEE030 1 914.629 915.371 914.83 915.31 Okay . 915.31 ES2008c A FEE029 0 921.005 921.6 921.2 921.57 Mm . 921.57 ES2008c B FEE030 1 924.332 925.264 924.37 924.78 Mm-hmm . 924.78 ES2008c C MEE031 2 925.184 928.16 925.2 928.12 Uh but that's a that's a design decision that we can make . 928.12 ES2008c B FEE030 1 928.379 929.024 928.65 928.98 'Kay . 928.98 ES2008c A FEE029 0 929.483 950.523 929.78 950.46 I do think that um one of the important features for a remote is seeing a menu and seeing what's on . Um and so like favourite channels is is applicable , but I think th that you do need to have some kind of function where it's um you have t you can see the title of the show or possibly a description of it . Like I I know I use that often enough . 934.87 940.22 948.39 950.46 ES2008c C MEE031 2 934.892 935.336 934.96 935.25 Yeah . 935.25 ES2008c B FEE030 1 944.621 945.267 944.88 945.267 Well - ES2008c B FEE030 1 947.872 949.247 947.89 949.05 Are you are you tak - ES2008c C MEE031 2 947.914 948.284 948.07 948.25 Yeah . 948.25 ES2008c D FEE032 3 948.634 951.44 948.634 951.22 Wait , but is that separate from what he was saying ? 949.37 951.22 ES2008c B FEE030 1 951.244 951.762 951.33 951.61 Yeah . 951.61 ES2008c A FEE029 0 951.568 956.768 951.61 956.768 Well if it if it was a L_ L_C_D_ on th on the remote , I don't know that you could f that you'd be able to see a 954.27 ES2008c B FEE030 1 955.457 965.615 955.8 965.51 No , I think I think we're talking menu like contrast and tuning the V_C_R_ or something if I've understood you correctly , rather than menu as what's on . 956.01 963.7 965.51 ES2008c A FEE029 0 960.72 961.072 960.74 960.98 Okay . 960.98 ES2008c C MEE031 2 963.376 965.771 963.4 965.7 Yeah , that that would be one of the features , yes . 963.6 965.37 965.7 ES2008c A FEE029 0 966.027 969.584 966.05 969.54 Okay . 'Cause that would be more specifically a digital box , mm-hmm . 966.94 969.22 969.54 ES2008c C MEE031 2 966.768 971.728 966.79 971.68 But it's it's it's something to bear in mind is that if we put a display on the remote control - ES2008c C MEE031 2 972.736 981.552 972.76 981.47 the c uh communication is one way , so you can't have the televisions and information back to the remote control , at least I don't think you can . Um I'm not sure . 974.77 979.23 980.44 981.47 ES2008c B FEE030 1 979.104 980.51 979.21 980.42 Oh , good point . 979.29 980.42 ES2008c A FEE029 0 979.776 980.647 979.8 980.56 Mm . 980.56 ES2008c B FEE030 1 981.982 982.545 982.16 982.45 Yeah . 982.45 ES2008c A FEE029 0 989.952 994.235 990.38 994.17 Okay , now we're moving on to market . Marketing . 990.83 993.29 994.17 ES2008c D FEE032 3 990.624 992.349 990.624 991.78 Should I plug that in ? 991.78 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1026.28 1028.081 1027.04 1028.0 Is that going on ? Okay . 1027.68 1028.0 ES2008c D FEE032 3 1033.861 1036.654 1033.98 1036.15 Maybe it's just not Is it on ? 1036.15 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1034.821 1037.169 1034.96 1036.62 Uh that should be alright , actually . 1036.25 1036.62 ES2008c D FEE032 3 1043.376 1045.881 1043.55 1045.76 Ri What F_ do you have to press , five ? 1044.99 1045.76 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1045.328 1045.89 1045.38 1045.67 Eight . 1045.67 ES2008c D FEE032 3 1047.616 1049.549 1047.67 1049.47 I just keep pressing lots of 'em . 1049.47 ES2008c D FEE032 3 1053.694 1063.369 1054.05 1062.86 Well , I don't know how relevant all of this gonna be . If anything , the that they gave me . Alright . 1054.29 1058.86 1059.36 1062.12 1062.86 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1060.353 1061.615 1060.52 1061.52 No signal . 1061.52 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1060.306 1063.31 1060.63 1063.19 Oops , it's not plugged in , quite in well enough . 1060.84 1062.08 1063.19 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1065.888 1066.592 1065.92 1066.34 There we are . 1066.34 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1069.664 1070.816 1069.7 1070.64 Oop , there we go . 1070.19 1070.64 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1072.529 1073.327 1072.7 1073.22 Mm 'kay . 1073.22 ES2008c D FEE032 3 1077.05 1077.816 1077.27 1077.6 Oh yeah . 1077.6 ES2008c D FEE032 3 1080.82 1126.391 1080.82 1126.11 Okay , so we're gonna look a little bit at trend watching . Basically , I was given um an executive summary that was a market investigation on remote controls that was recently conducted , and then also some fashion watchers in Paris and Milan commented on some things that are gonna be going on this year . So first um they had people they ranked um the important aspects of r remote controls , and right now i d they're saying that currently there's a functional look and feel preference , but that really , over the next year it it that's gonna be switching to fancy look and feel remotes , so that just goes back to 1082.44 1086.66 1087.25 1096.12 1104.48 1111.09 1117.74 1119.1 1124.33 ES2008c D FEE032 3 1126.391 1154.07 1126.78 1153.87 the whole desire of our c Real Reaction company wanting to focus on fashion and so , even though we're stressing , when we're talking , we've all been talking about this like simplicity and easy to use idea , they're sort of wanting us to remember that the number one thing for everyone is that it's fancy look and feel . And as these are ranked , the top one is doubly important to the second one , which is doubly important to the third one , so just to take that weight into account . 1133.27 1134.85 1135.59 1140.09 1144.85 1146.47 1148.97 1150.67 1153.87 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1150.696 1151.232 1150.87 1151.2 Okay . 1151.2 ES2008c D FEE032 3 1154.07 1210.046 1154.07 1209.84 The second thing that was mentioned as important was the technological innovations . That would be like if we use something like the space material or the L_C_D_ screen , things like that . And then ease of use was the third most important , whi so really , no matter what , we need to focus the most on fancy look and feel , according to this . I don't know how much we agree with that . And then the fashion watch talks about that this year's top trend for clothes , shoes and furniture is fruits and vegetables and tha that there's a preference for spongy , tight material . And so that brings us to my personal preferences . Who wants a spongy remote or one with fruit and vegetable padding . Personally , I don't really think that I want one that's gonna go out of style or go stale , excuse the pun , um in a year , so 1159.13 1163.6 1164.29 1166.55 1168.8 1169.26 1171.45 1172.44 1175.15 1180.61 1189.28 1191.81 1195.86 1200.19 1201.67 1206.32 1207.82 1209.21 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1185.844 1188.463 1186.85 1187.62 S sweet . 1187.62 ES2008c D FEE032 3 1210.046 1248.433 1210.046 1248.433 even though this is coming from us as , you know , trend watch , market research , I don't know how much of it we necessarily wanna take away . Also , considering that the d research b has been carried out by Real Reaction , I'm a little hesitant as to like , how these questions may have been worded , and if necessarily this whole fashion to technology y edas ease of use is necessarily the right ranking . Personally , like I might reverse it , but if we're working for this company then I guess no matter what , we have to stress fashion the most . But it doesn't necessarily need to be a spongy material . 1212.59 1212.86 1213.38 1214.87 1218.46 1219.27 1222.5 1226.47 1228.91 1235.84 1236.45 1237.71 1240.44 1242.02 1248.34 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1242.912 1243.511 1243.18 1243.26 Mm . 1243.26 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1247.765 1251.28 1248.18 1251.22 That there's all kinds of scope for imagination in that one though . 1251.22 ES2008c D FEE032 3 1251.312 1259.812 1251.33 1259.61 Yeah . I don't have a lot of notes to share if you want them , that pretty much sums it up . So yeah . 1254.08 1256.25 1258.93 1259.61 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1259.823 1264.272 1259.84 1264.24 Okay , do we have any s some questions for this , let's see um . 1260.03 1262.97 1264.24 ES2008c D FEE032 3 1263.024 1267.792 1263.06 1267.69 Yeah , what can I possibly enlighten on ? 1264.0 1267.69 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1268.576 1284.416 1268.64 1284.31 Um do you have any ideas how to possibly use these ? Um how to how to use a fruit or vegetable or um or the spongy material at all ? Like could we make a s like could we make a spongy remote ? It would be easier on the hands . 1273.43 1279.7 1282.94 1284.31 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1282.875 1285.936 1283.41 1285.936 If it's latex if it's latexy - ES2008c A FEE029 0 1285.856 1292.096 1285.94 1292.096 It's kind of and then it we would have to find a way to protect like the chip and all that , I dunno . But 1290.74 1291.73 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1287.376 1288.76 1287.4 1288.76 Um , mean 1288.17 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1288.176 1289.623 1288.24 1289.623 A kind of thing that - ES2008c B FEE030 1 1291.456 1302.57 1291.56 1302.45 An uh I if th my understanding of a latex case is that it's in fact hard to protect stuff inside , but that it's covered with the latex , which is spongier and softer on your hands . 1299.02 1300.46 1302.45 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1299.072 1299.712 1299.19 1299.68 Mm-hmm . 1299.68 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1303.472 1309.514 1303.49 1309.514 It's there's something to be said , I mean we we got that thing earlier from you about um not wanting it to 1304.56 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1310.256 1314.176 1310.28 1314.176 R_ R_ repetitive stress injuries and things and and - ES2008c A FEE029 0 1312.19 1313.173 1312.41 1313.14 Mm-hmm . 1313.14 ES2008c D FEE032 3 1312.704 1313.216 1312.74 1313.11 Mm-hmm . 1313.11 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1313.035 1313.553 1313.14 1313.41 Yeah . 1313.41 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1314.575 1325.168 1314.69 1325.13 Yeah , something grippable , I mean we don't we don't we don't wanna go spongy , maybe . Yeah . 1316.16 1317.3 1319.72 1324.83 1325.13 ES2008c D FEE032 3 1314.737 1334.944 1314.97 1334.83 Yeah , so something , m m instead of a necess yeah , grip , I'm thinking grip more than like sinking into your hands , you know , i and I think I'm envisioning more like , you know , the material that you have when you sit on like a bicycle , so that it doesn't hurt when you're sitting down for a long time , like I'm imagining that sort of thing , I don't know what th that material's called . 1315.34 1315.96 1317.87 1318.14 1322.39 1322.61 1325.85 1326.21 1329.11 1331.4 1332.76 1334.83 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1321.613 1323.389 1321.613 1323.24 Yeah . Yeah . 1322.98 1323.24 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1328.976 1329.52 1329.12 1329.49 Mm-hmm . 1329.49 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1330.352 1330.704 1330.39 1330.67 Mm-hmm . 1330.67 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1333.27 1339.101 1333.43 1339.06 Yeah , I think that given the list of materials I w I was forwarded it's that seems doable . 1333.71 1339.06 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1339.8 1345.009 1339.8 1344.88 could we go in fruit and vegetable colours ? We could colour-co-ordinate them , li 1342.33 1344.44 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1342.75 1345.424 1343.14 1344.82 F for sure , or maybe like 1344.08 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1346.416 1351.613 1346.45 1351.24 um couple main ones being like , I dunno , lemons or strawberries or something . 1348.93 1349.16 1351.24 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1350.799 1368.136 1351.11 1367.93 The buttons could be fruit-shaped . Oh well it's quite easy to s shape thing like carrot isn't it ? Or maybe the buttons could be shaped like different fruits . 1354.21 1364.94 1367.93 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1352.032 1353.392 1352.05 1353.2 Could they be smelly ? 1353.2 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1353.264 1360.752 1353.264 1360.71 I Is it supposed to be shaped like a vegetable ? Uh like uh I dunno , like uh carrots or something . 1357.79 1359.13 1360.71 ES2008c D FEE032 3 1354.166 1356.032 1354.166 1355.94 Oh God . 1355.94 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1358.026 1359.616 1358.11 1359.32 I don't know . 1359.32 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1361.311 1364.144 1361.35 1364.03 Or carrot shaped , mm . 1362.75 1364.03 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1363.483 1366.02 1363.483 1366.02 Maybe , or 1365.31 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1365.297 1368.192 1365.297 1368.03 Like large button , that's what I was thinking of , yeah . 1366.84 1367.71 1368.03 ES2008c D FEE032 3 1368.64 1379.632 1368.66 1379.3 What about the idea of like a round remote ? Instead of like a vertical up and down one . Like in terms of holding it . Like that's a f shape of a fruit . Just to tie it in a little . 1370.54 1372.64 1374.41 1377.88 1379.3 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1372.75 1387.079 1372.75 1386.9 be yeah . It'd be harder to f bu uh buttons I think . It'd be harder to press button . 1377.43 1385.43 1386.9 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1372.615 1373.984 1372.82 1373.81 Kind of like a potato . 1373.81 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1375.941 1379.228 1375.941 1378.65 Yeah . 1378.65 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1377.079 1384.288 1377.9 1384.23 Might would you think you you do you think you'd be able to hold it ? 'Cause I think the reason they're long is yeah . 1380.78 1384.23 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1386.253 1390.56 1386.29 1390.49 Depends . When you when you use a remote , do you press the buttons with your thumb , usually ? 1387.07 1388.84 1390.12 1390.49 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1386.291 1387.545 1386.57 1387.46 Harder to push . 1387.46 ES2008c D FEE032 3 1391.424 1392.32 1391.45 1392.14 Yeah . 1392.14 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1391.451 1392.646 1391.8 1392.46 Or your fingers ? 1392.46 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1392.433 1393.233 1392.87 1393.233 Um - ES2008c A FEE029 0 1393.696 1395.726 1393.72 1395.726 I usually hold it in one hand . Maybe 1395.17 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1396.224 1402.483 1396.33 1402.13 Or maybe you want something that's shaped like a mobile phone , so you you hold it in one hand , and you press the buttons with your thumb . 1399.03 1400.67 1402.13 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1396.411 1397.071 1396.6 1397.071 I - ES2008c B FEE030 1 1400.941 1403.659 1401.32 1403.55 Yeah , that's ts how I tend to do it . 1401.91 1403.55 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1400.914 1405.164 1401.33 1405.0 But then the buttons would have to be very small . Don't you think ? 1404.41 1405.0 ES2008c D FEE032 3 1404.272 1408.414 1404.29 1408.2 Yeah , 'cause otherwise your fingers can't move around . But I like i 1404.55 1407.24 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1404.522 1408.15 1404.65 1407.66 No just thumb-sized . Jus 1405.83 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1407.19 1410.192 1407.37 1410.04 But I mean in order to get to all of them , you know . 1409.66 1410.04 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1409.376 1410.338 1409.63 1410.09 Yeah . 1410.09 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1410.428 1410.866 1410.45 1410.83 Yeah . 1410.83 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1410.754 1413.739 1410.86 1413.57 They would have to be within a certain amount of space with each other . 1413.57 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1411.186 1418.145 1411.41 1417.9 Maybe . But if you've only got like four or five buttons anyway , then it's it's not so much a problem , perhaps . 1412.34 1415.39 1417.43 1417.9 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1412.035 1412.986 1412.19 1412.79 That's true . 1412.79 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1416.064 1416.66 1416.27 1416.51 Right . 1416.51 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1417.664 1424.292 1417.71 1424.22 I When I'm when I'm pressing buttons on my iPod , that's how I do it , hold it and press the four . Yeah . 1420.21 1420.89 1423.51 1424.22 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1422.169 1422.848 1422.21 1422.72 Mm-hmm . 1422.72 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1422.021 1427.38 1422.23 1427.38 So you hold it in one hand and you press you press the buttons with your thumb and - ES2008c B FEE030 1 1425.936 1430.841 1425.96 1430.63 Yeah , or in and use my thumb or my pointer finger on the touch scroll wheel . 1426.2 1430.63 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1425.941 1426.544 1426.15 1426.51 Mm-hmm . 1426.51 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1430.806 1432.212 1430.85 1432.14 And you find that works quite well ? 1432.14 ES2008c D FEE032 3 1430.801 1436.832 1430.93 1436.67 I love the idea of the wheel like the iPod . 'Cause th 1436.27 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1432.275 1432.849 1432.3 1432.65 Yeah - ES2008c A FEE029 0 1432.986 1433.81 1433.21 1433.78 Mm-hmm . 1433.78 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1436.096 1442.478 1436.12 1442.41 Is that The button on an iPod , is it what is it , is it just four buttons or is it li more like a scroll thing ? 1437.88 1438.99 1442.41 ES2008c D FEE032 3 1440.443 1442.864 1440.6 1442.83 It's like five , 'cause there's one in the middle . 1441.65 1442.83 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1441.161 1443.248 1441.18 1442.85 It's a scroll , yeah , it's a wheel . 1442.0 1442.18 1442.85 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1441.629 1448.321 1441.89 1448.321 It wel well yeah , it would I mean each version of it has been a little bit different , but 1443.73 1447.76 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1447.296 1452.208 1447.32 1452.16 The one I have doesn't have the four on i like around it , I don't think . 1451.6 1452.16 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1450.848 1454.176 1450.87 1453.97 Oh yeah , you had one of the in-between ones , when they weren't doing that anymore . 1451.26 1452.84 1453.97 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1467.04 1471.808 1467.06 1471.77 Ts and you press the centre button , that's that's your all-purpose select button right there . 1469.14 1471.77 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1467.488 1467.892 1467.52 1467.8 Right . 1467.8 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1469.6 1474.493 1469.62 1474.25 Oh , I see , right , yeah . Oh , okay . Yeah , that's quite a good design . 1470.09 1470.57 1470.92 1472.1 1472.37 1473.09 1473.19 1474.25 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1471.808 1475.28 1472.71 1475.1 Since it's the one in the centre that's not marked , yeah . 1474.72 1475.1 ES2008c D FEE032 3 1476.88 1504.144 1476.99 1503.88 I think why it would be good for us is 'cause like you could have the same wheel sort of effect for like channel flipping and then the other one could be like for volume . Like just the idea of like those so few buttons for main things , but then how you could go back to the menu and like , I dunno if we would want it on the screen there or on the actual T_V_ . I kind of am wanting to say on the T_V_ , 'cause if you're changing the brightness , don't you wanna see it happening , kind of ? And then you could still have that available . 1484.91 1488.11 1491.16 1494.45 1496.73 1498.79 1500.25 1501.45 1503.88 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1483.212 1483.96 1483.46 1483.82 Yeah . 1483.82 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1486.773 1488.183 1487.18 1488.02 Uh uh t - ES2008c B FEE030 1 1495.521 1496.145 1495.67 1495.94 Yeah . 1495.94 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1497.717 1498.395 1497.95 1498.31 Hmm . 1498.31 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1500.326 1501.056 1500.41 1501.02 Mm . 1501.02 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1500.718 1501.088 1500.74 1501.01 Yeah . 1501.01 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1501.072 1501.392 1501.09 1501.36 Yeah . 1501.36 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1502.453 1509.346 1502.47 1509.22 Yeah , I think an L_C_D_ screen might be good in theory , but not as useful in practice . 1502.56 1506.96 1509.22 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1507.78 1517.086 1507.87 1516.95 I think it could be difficult in practice , yeah . Also z yeah , 'cause you would be z looking down at the L_C_D_ screen , than back up at your T_V_ and people don't wanna do that . 1509.88 1510.7 1511.33 1513.87 1516.95 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1510.09 1510.592 1510.31 1510.56 Yeah . 1510.56 ES2008c D FEE032 3 1513.6 1515.696 1513.66 1515.51 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 1515.22 1515.51 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1513.776 1514.459 1514.01 1514.37 Right . 1514.37 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1516.037 1516.559 1516.09 1516.559 Um - ES2008c A FEE029 0 1517.381 1522.96 1517.79 1522.91 Okay um we have we've about fifteen minutes left , so I'm I'm gonna 1521.96 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1519.268 1521.215 1519.41 1521.01 Oh we probably have to get going , don't we ? 1520.64 1521.01 ES2008c D FEE032 3 1523.943 1524.656 1524.07 1524.58 Uh-huh . 1524.58 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1524.051 1534.128 1524.11 1534.08 continue with my pres presentation . Um I've one more slide before we close , but in that slide is when we need to make decisions about this these kinds of things , so I'll just bring that up and show you all 1525.9 1528.39 1531.58 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1531.36 1532.415 1531.36 1532.24 'Kay . 1532.24 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1535.153 1539.723 1535.17 1539.723 before we move on . Um 1538.5 ES2008c D FEE032 3 1541.072 1545.824 1541.23 1545.66 If I get any more information of fruits and vegetables , I'll let you know . 1544.36 1545.66 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1541.343 1542.059 1541.57 1542.059 Could - ES2008c B FEE030 1 1544.07 1551.527 1544.15 1551.27 Could we uh could we have changeable covers like for your mobile ? In different fruit and vegetable colours , yeah . 1549.01 1550.87 1551.27 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1548.896 1553.856 1548.96 1553.856 Like , to make it different fruits . 1549.39 1553.66 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1553.856 1555.023 1553.88 1554.71 Yeah , it's possible . 1554.16 1554.71 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1554.304 1561.104 1554.47 1560.74 Yeah , and then like the the covers could be spongy latex wherea but the actual model could be titanium . 1554.72 1560.74 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1557.422 1558.896 1557.62 1558.86 Exactly . 1558.86 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1561.024 1567.168 1561.04 1566.98 And you could co-ordinate with your house or whatever . All these options . 1566.07 1566.98 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1565.745 1577.202 1566.04 1577.04 I think maybe th the packaging , it should be like a lemon and the the packaging is like the peel . So instead of opening the box you just kind of peel it , and the remote control's inside . 1569.05 1573.38 1575.76 1577.04 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1573.44 1574.635 1573.46 1574.5 Ooh . 1574.5 ES2008c D FEE032 3 1577.404 1585.575 1577.404 1585.44 Well , there we go . The iPod packaging is me like was so that was like half the fun . It's like the way it all comes all cute . 1578.11 1579.73 1583.73 1585.44 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1578.259 1580.429 1578.47 1580.429 Oh . 1580.32 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1578.382 1580.232 1578.49 1580.232 Don't know . 1579.79 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1577.945 1581.276 1578.91 1581.22 Ah hmm hmm hmm . 1581.22 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1583.528 1584.174 1583.76 1584.04 Yeah . 1584.04 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1586.32 1588.113 1586.37 1587.86 Mm . Options . 1587.54 1587.86 ES2008c D FEE032 3 1587.12 1588.368 1587.38 1588.12 Lemons ? 1588.12 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1589.644 1596.735 1590.05 1596.66 Okay , um components concept . Energy , chip on print . 1590.66 1593.61 1595.35 1596.66 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1595.362 1599.915 1595.47 1599.915 Uh-hu oh , oh yes . Right , I had sort of skipped over that hoping it wouldn't get 1596.44 1597.61 1597.92 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1597.597 1598.099 1597.67 1597.73 G - ES2008c B FEE030 1 1600.882 1602.416 1600.9 1602.416 be necessary but um - ES2008c A FEE029 0 1602.272 1606.176 1602.38 1606.07 That's th th this is the agenda they gave me . So can you just explain what that is real quick ? 1604.27 1606.07 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1604.172 1617.167 1604.42 1617.09 Alright , so um decisions , what the okay deci decisions on energy I'm thinking is based on the battery . Um I dunno , what do people think about this kinetic battery idea ? 1605.1 1607.05 1612.47 1614.21 1617.09 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1611.974 1612.521 1612.02 1612.49 Mm-hmm . 1612.49 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1616.898 1619.664 1616.898 1619.22 I think it's awesome . I think it's really cool . 1618.18 1619.22 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1618.029 1618.921 1618.19 1618.921 Am I - ES2008c B FEE030 1 1620.696 1621.29 1620.79 1621.25 Yeah . 1621.25 ES2008c D FEE032 3 1620.702 1623.252 1621.32 1623.11 Yeah , I mean , it would 1621.75 1622.79 ES2008c D FEE032 3 1624.352 1627.855 1624.37 1627.59 t totally take care of our problem of not wanting to change batteries . 1627.59 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1627.985 1628.551 1628.23 1628.52 Yeah . 1628.52 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1628.785 1637.022 1628.81 1636.91 Yeah , um I think it's good , as as long as we consider the the cost and the uh how reliable it is , but as far as I know , the technology is good . 1628.92 1629.89 1635.0 1635.96 1636.91 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1634.832 1647.984 1635.23 1647.94 Right , I haven't gotten any yeah , any more information on cost other than it's more expensive than a regular battery , but um but if we're using a an i a cheaper chip , then it'll even out , I think . 1635.49 1637.8 1642.06 1646.67 1647.49 1647.94 ES2008c D FEE032 3 1637.017 1637.808 1637.04 1637.71 Costs . 1637.71 ES2008c D FEE032 3 1643.021 1644.272 1643.21 1644.272 But over time - ES2008c B FEE030 1 1648.486 1649.888 1648.51 1649.85 Um circuit boards . 1649.85 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1651.472 1674.4 1651.55 1674.37 Um yeah , I got a whole bunch of information on how circuit boards are produced . They're they're thin fibreglass with copper wires etched on to them , and di I think they're quite easily printed on by machine , which is chip on print is where the machine prints on the wires and solders it all together for us . I don't really know what to tell you as far as decisions . I wasn't really given any options , I was just given that this is how they're done . 1652.75 1655.55 1659.87 1663.34 1668.41 1670.87 1672.56 1674.37 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1674.88 1675.696 1675.01 1675.65 Okay . 1675.65 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1675.616 1676.32 1675.64 1676.28 Um - ES2008c B FEE030 1 1677.588 1684.152 1678.06 1684.152 yeah , I can't can't really tell you . I can I can tell you a whole lot about how it works . But I don't know any decisions on 1678.32 1679.44 1682.39 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1684.736 1686.32 1684.76 1686.24 If they're if they're really options . 1686.24 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1686.544 1687.188 1686.57 1686.96 Yeah . 1686.96 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1687.842 1689.697 1687.86 1689.49 I'm sorry , I did f 1688.38 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1688.538 1689.143 1688.59 1688.88 Okay . 1688.88 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1688.523 1693.427 1688.8 1693.27 Al all circuit boards are pretty much the same , I think . Uh it's fairly fairly standard . 1690.82 1691.33 1693.27 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1692.976 1693.444 1693.0 1693.25 Yeah . 1693.25 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1695.405 1698.432 1695.44 1698.25 Um okay , then we'll move on to the case . 1696.58 1698.25 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1699.664 1706.48 1699.82 1706.32 Um oh bu I guess maybe if we decided on like a simple , a regular , or an advanced chip , maybe . 1704.29 1704.83 1705.98 1706.32 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1704.789 1716.462 1705.12 1716.39 Right . Well okay , here's the here's the thing on the chips that I that I got . Um simple , regular , advanced chip on print . The chip on print includes an infrared sensor , so we don't have to worry about that . 1705.86 1706.42 1709.6 1711.16 1711.64 1712.82 1715.31 1716.39 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1717.475 1718.207 1717.52 1718.17 Um , 1718.17 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1719.155 1732.736 1719.35 1732.64 'kay , the pushbutton if we're gonna have pushbuttons , they require a simple chip , but a scroll wheel requires a regular chip , and an L_C_D_ requires advanced . Do we want a scroll wheel , or do we just want pushbuttons ? 1719.8 1722.7 1723.97 1727.38 1730.0 1731.1 1732.64 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1734.144 1734.81 1734.16 1734.56 Um - ES2008c C MEE031 2 1737.023 1743.716 1737.04 1743.716 I don't think we ne really need the scroll whe wheel . I mean it might be nice for changing the volume . Uh but 1739.45 1742.42 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1741.665 1742.599 1742.05 1742.599 Oh . 1742.53 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1742.08 1749.088 1742.29 1749.088 It would be nice for changing the volume , but I don't know how useful it'd be for changing the channel . 'Cause you don't have control over numbers or 1743.59 1746.38 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1746.052 1748.198 1746.16 1747.58 I don't think it would really work . 1747.58 ES2008c D FEE032 3 1746.653 1747.89 1746.82 1747.89 Yeah , it's a 1746.94 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1749.008 1751.488 1749.03 1751.43 Yeah , you really need buttons for changing a channel . 1749.32 1751.43 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1748.995 1759.841 1749.35 1759.64 Yeah , th it'd be it'd be handy for going through if there was an on-screen menu of your channel choices , than you can scroll down on the scroll . 1750.28 1757.81 1759.64 ES2008c D FEE032 3 1757.376 1762.576 1757.376 1762.54 But if you c if you could scroll through the channels , and then the volume would just be 1761.1 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1757.924 1758.479 1758.01 1758.22 Yeah . 1758.22 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1761.071 1761.847 1761.22 1761.66 Yeah . 1761.66 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1762.064 1764.96 1762.08 1764.81 We have five minutes left for the meeting , so . 1763.98 1764.81 ES2008c D FEE032 3 1763.984 1785.879 1764.03 1785.84 and the volume would just be like the same way , forward and backward as I'm just thinking like it would make it much like sleeker sort of looking . And otherwise , no matter how may buttons we have , we're gonna have like , you know , black with red sticking out and th no it's gonna inevitably sort of start looking like those group of sort of ugly ones that we saw stacked up . 1766.48 1773.47 1774.05 1775.43 1776.21 1776.67 1785.84 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1766.018 1766.767 1766.16 1766.56 Yeah . 1766.56 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1772.624 1773.536 1772.69 1773.13 Yeah . 1773.13 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1773.394 1773.801 1773.49 1773.71 Yeah . 1773.71 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1782.272 1782.679 1782.34 1782.59 Yeah . 1782.59 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1786.528 1787.088 1786.56 1787.05 Hmm . 1787.05 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1787.118 1790.768 1787.27 1790.48 So , have a scroll for volume ? 1788.49 1790.48 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1790.38 1793.168 1790.72 1793.06 F or for all those secret functions ? 1793.06 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1792.064 1792.566 1792.12 1792.26 F - ES2008c B FEE030 1 1793.933 1801.984 1793.95 1801.94 When you get on the on-screen menu of all your functions that your remote could do for you without the buttons and you could have a scroll wheel to go through those menus . 1801.94 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1802.432 1807.232 1802.45 1807.232 I think yeah , I think a scroll wheel would be nice , but it's not necessary . Um 1803.38 1805.12 1806.74 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1806.688 1812.736 1806.71 1812.7 Right . So we could either go with a simple or a regular chip , depending and maybe we could table that decision for later . 1807.55 1810.21 1812.7 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1813.708 1814.903 1813.79 1814.59 Um . 1814.59 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1814.095 1814.918 1814.22 1814.84 I don't know . 1814.84 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1817.352 1826.048 1817.45 1825.09 I think w well I think when we go on to the une userface , we're gonna have to decide the interface we're gonna have to decide um whether we're gonna have a scroll or not . 1820.49 1825.09 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1822.494 1823.247 1822.65 1823.06 Okay . 1823.06 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1825.248 1827.891 1825.27 1827.81 Well , let's think about that while we talk about the case . 1825.36 1827.81 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1827.376 1828.305 1827.4 1828.18 Okay , let's do case . 1827.59 1828.18 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1828.512 1833.728 1828.53 1833.62 Uh I'm kinda liking the idea of latex , if if spongy is the in thing . 1831.29 1833.62 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1831.868 1832.46 1831.99 1832.2 Yeah . 1832.2 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1833.887 1838.717 1834.14 1838.6 I'm a little um I'm a little hesitant about it , because I'm worried about protecting the stuff on the inside . 1836.54 1838.6 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1839.088 1839.677 1839.11 1839.52 Okay . 1839.52 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1839.792 1840.432 1839.81 1840.432 Um - ES2008c D FEE032 3 1840.416 1843.296 1840.6 1843.19 Oh could it be hard , and then something around it ? 1841.76 1843.19 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1841.823 1844.311 1842.01 1844.311 Uh yeah , everything I've 1842.67 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1842.734 1848.675 1843.27 1848.61 Yeah , I would be more okay with like a titanium actual thing and then maybe like a mobile phone kind of thing . 1843.38 1848.61 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1846.256 1871.878 1846.33 1871.77 N oh wha what I've what I've seen , just not related to this , but of latex cases before , is that there's uh like a hard plastic inside , and it's just covered with the latex . Not too thick a layer of latex , just enough to be grippable , like bike handles or or anything that you've seen like that . The inside is hard . I don't think we need to worry about protecting the circuit board , I think that that's done for us . 1849.95 1851.54 1853.36 1856.68 1859.42 1860.96 1862.85 1866.05 1867.43 1870.32 1871.77 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1851.36 1851.792 1851.38 1851.76 Mm-hmm . 1851.76 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1858.464 1859.264 1858.65 1859.22 Okay . 1859.22 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1860.384 1861.064 1860.4 1861.02 Mm-hmm . 1861.02 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1862.816 1863.52 1862.84 1863.17 Okay . 1863.17 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1869.297 1870.408 1869.48 1870.35 Ge o - ES2008c A FEE029 0 1871.843 1875.52 1871.89 1875.41 Okay . So we uh we do want latex . 1873.46 1875.41 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1872.56 1873.448 1872.73 1873.41 'Kay . Yeah . 1873.3 1873.41 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1875.59 1876.182 1875.83 1876.0 Yeah . 1876.0 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1876.192 1876.68 1876.23 1876.4 Yeah . 1876.4 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1877.55 1878.03 1877.65 1877.92 Okay . 1877.92 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1879.234 1885.008 1879.38 1884.8 Latex . Um and probably in colours , maybe fruity , vegetable colours . 1880.19 1883.45 1883.95 1884.8 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1885.35 1885.829 1885.42 1885.68 Yeah . 1885.68 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1886.032 1896.041 1886.36 1896.01 Fruity colours . Okay um let's go to the ufe user interface then we'll come back to the chip I suppose . 1890.61 1896.01 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1896.16 1899.829 1896.18 1899.75 Oh and we want a curved case , yeah ? Or a double-curved ? 1897.72 1898.49 1899.75 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1900.44 1902.272 1900.54 1902.1 Well , we don't really know what the difference is , right ? 1900.67 1901.8 1902.1 ES2008c D FEE032 3 1902.174 1904.758 1902.21 1904.48 I'm thinking curved of some sort . 1904.48 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1903.596 1904.306 1903.8 1904.13 Yeah . 1904.13 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1904.13 1907.936 1904.23 1907.936 Yeah , okay . We don't really know what the difference 1904.51 1906.48 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1904.428 1904.946 1904.45 1904.8 Yeah . 1904.8 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1908.464 1912.72 1909.14 1912.68 Um okay , interface , the type and the supplements . 1910.46 1910.94 1912.68 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1914.016 1919.648 1914.2 1919.55 So push or scroll , right ? Or both ? 1917.87 1918.82 1919.55 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1915.766 1916.496 1915.79 1916.496 Um - ES2008c C MEE031 2 1918.512 1920.469 1918.53 1920.469 Yep . Um 1919.82 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1921.824 1939.446 1921.84 1939.4 And I think if we wanna keep our costs down , we should just go for pushbuttons , 'cause then we can have a a simple chip and it's simpler , it's it's cheaper to make pushbuttons than it is a scroll button . So in terms of uh in terms of uh economics it's probably better to have pushbuttons . 1924.11 1926.7 1930.58 1934.13 1939.4 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1933.167 1934.488 1933.75 1934.28 Good point . 1934.28 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1934.49 1935.29 1934.72 1935.26 Mm-hmm . 1935.26 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1940.848 1957.863 1940.94 1957.81 And if we had a sc an on-screen um kind of thing that you could scroll through , like you can use your buttons to scroll through things . I think that yeah . For channel surfing I think a scroll an actual like an iPod's kind of scroll thing would be too fast , I dunno . 1945.52 1949.11 1951.17 1957.31 1957.81 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1947.275 1951.091 1947.69 1950.62 Yeah , yeah , it's uh it's it's fairly simple . 1948.21 1948.48 1950.62 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1956.8 1976.856 1956.92 1976.71 Yeah . I say pushbuttons at least unless we get any information but I have no idea how much more expensive a scroll wheel is than than a pushbutton , but it's gotta be some more expensive , so I think it might be better to put our money into the stuff like the kinetic battery and the cool case 1958.93 1967.27 1969.26 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1969.895 1970.413 1969.98 1970.23 Yeah . 1970.23 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1976.298 1979.513 1976.33 1979.29 Mm-hmm . Is that okay with you ? How you feeling ? 1977.57 1978.54 1979.29 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1976.99 1978.544 1977.01 1978.33 Yeah . Interesting . 1977.84 1978.33 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1977.471 1978.607 1977.56 1978.607 because - ES2008c D FEE032 3 1978.554 1992.496 1978.554 1992.45 Yeah . And let's like see if we get anything else . I mean I'm not like hard-sold on the scroll wheel , it's more just to give it a different kind of look , but if it's gonna be in a latex type thing and that's gonna look cool , then that's probably gonna have a bigger impact than the scroll wheel . 1979.49 1981.06 1984.04 1985.9 1989.64 1992.45 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1985.808 1986.48 1985.83 1986.45 Mm-hmm . 1986.45 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1988.176 1990.002 1988.48 1989.92 It might be cool enough . 1989.92 ES2008c B FEE030 1 1992.624 1993.232 1992.82 1993.2 Yeah . 1993.2 ES2008c A FEE029 0 1993.792 2001.746 1994.13 2001.42 Okay , so we're gonna go with um type pushbuttons , and then supplements , how are we gonna do that ? 1994.39 1998.99 2000.39 2001.42 ES2008c C MEE031 2 1998.371 1998.778 1998.52 1998.68 Yep . 1998.68 ES2008c C MEE031 2 2002.662 2004.926 2002.68 2004.78 Uh what do you mean by supplements , exactly ? 2004.42 2004.78 ES2008c A FEE029 0 2005.421 2012.672 2005.44 2012.63 Um I assume that's what else we're gonna like h ha the um the additional buttons we can use . 2012.63 ES2008c C MEE031 2 2013.024 2013.648 2013.04 2013.648 Um - ES2008c B FEE030 1 2013.584 2014.0 2013.63 2013.97 Oh . 2013.97 ES2008c A FEE029 0 2013.645 2022.464 2013.72 2022.33 So we're gonna have like a menu button , so that we can access on-screen things then ? Okay , um so we're doing an on-screen menu that we can scroll through . 2016.04 2018.81 2019.05 2022.33 ES2008c C MEE031 2 2015.856 2016.355 2015.88 2016.22 Yep . 2016.22 ES2008c C MEE031 2 2018.096 2018.4 2018.12 2018.33 Yeah . 2018.33 ES2008c B FEE030 1 2018.715 2019.566 2019.05 2019.28 Alright . 2019.28 ES2008c C MEE031 2 2018.88 2019.99 2019.21 2019.99 Um in - ES2008c B FEE030 1 2020.82 2024.169 2021.11 2024.169 So what are what are our buttons gonna be ? On off 2023.08 ES2008c C MEE031 2 2021.432 2021.876 2021.46 2021.71 Yeah . 2021.71 ES2008c C MEE031 2 2024.203 2036.586 2024.22 2036.586 On off , uh volume , favourite channels , uh and menu . Yeah , yeah about yeah like yeah , a bit like radio presets . Um 2024.84 2026.91 2028.38 2030.92 2031.65 2034.05 2035.84 ES2008c B FEE030 1 2028.896 2031.744 2028.92 2031.744 So like one through five , or 2030.19 ES2008c D FEE032 3 2030.901 2033.92 2031.01 2033.85 Like a radio type sorta situation ? 2033.85 ES2008c A FEE029 0 2035.869 2042.055 2036.2 2042.0 Pre-set channels and then we're gonna need um numbers one through zero , right ? 2041.56 2042.0 ES2008c C MEE031 2 2041.57 2043.758 2041.59 2043.69 Uh we wouldn't even need the numbers . 2043.69 ES2008c B FEE030 1 2042.564 2043.378 2042.7 2043.16 No . 2043.16 ES2008c C MEE031 2 2045.152 2047.957 2045.17 2047.81 I think maybe numbers seems is kind of old-fashioned . 2047.81 ES2008c A FEE029 0 2046.77 2053.158 2047.12 2052.86 Well , but in order to pre-set a cha oh I guess you can just hold it down when you get to one when you're scrolling through . 2047.26 2052.86 ES2008c C MEE031 2 2050.466 2060.27 2050.49 2059.97 Yeah , yeah , you can just and you need some kind of , I dunno , sort of up down kind of button , but the volume control could double for that , for example . 2050.95 2051.25 2054.38 2054.72 2056.62 2059.33 2059.97 ES2008c B FEE030 1 2051.697 2052.286 2051.82 2052.06 Mm . 2052.06 ES2008c B FEE030 1 2056.272 2057.472 2056.41 2057.33 Yeah , up down . 2056.73 2057.33 ES2008c A FEE029 0 2060.016 2077.024 2060.11 2076.98 Mm-hmm . Okay , um finishing the meeting now . Um our next meeting starts in thirty minutes , um you each have things to do , look and feel design , user interface design , product evaluation , and you two are going to work together on a prototype using modelling clay . You'll get specific instructions from your personal coach . 2062.14 2062.67 2064.26 2066.8 2067.78 2068.54 2069.47 2071.0 2074.56 2076.98 ES2008c B FEE030 1 2075.12 2079.538 2075.15 2079.538 Ooh . 2079.36 ES2008c C MEE031 2 2074.969 2079.507 2075.56 2079.507 Cool . 2079.29 ES2008c D FEE032 3 2077.143 2078.192 2077.39 2077.81 Wow . 2077.81 ES2008c A FEE029 0 2078.021 2082.112 2078.16 2081.79 Um did we decide on a chip ? Let's go with a simple chip ? Okay . 2079.47 2081.49 2081.79 ES2008c B FEE030 1 2080.817 2081.768 2080.86 2081.51 Simple chip . 2081.51 ES2008c C MEE031 2 2081.423 2081.904 2081.48 2081.77 Yep . 2081.77 ES2008c A FEE029 0 2083.302 2086.032 2083.34 2085.99 We are done . Thank you everyone . 2084.85 2085.99 ES2008c A FEE029 0 2089.007 2093.136 2089.21 2092.78 Oh I di these are already in our shared folder , so . 2091.92 2092.78 ES2008c B FEE030 1 2091.376 2092.144 2091.4 2092.1 Okay , cool . 2091.71 2092.1 ES2008c C MEE031 2 2094.81 2098.311 2094.81 2096.57 Clay . I wasn't expecting that . 2095.57 2098.24 ES2008c B FEE030 1 2094.83 2098.103 2094.87 2094.87 Clay . 2097.98 ES2008d A FEE029 0 36.153 37.439 36.32 37.4 Okay um , 37.4 ES2008d A FEE029 0 38.482 43.215 38.56 43.01 welcome to our detailed design meeting . I'm pretty excited . 42.0 43.01 ES2008d A FEE029 0 43.215 48.541 43.49 48.14 Let's start it's approximately fifteen forty or something like that . 48.14 ES2008d A FEE029 0 52.336 72.507 52.36 72.46 Okay um the agenda we're gonna do an opening and then um I'll talk about the minutes from the last meeting , what we d discussed um , then we'll have the prototype presentation and a look at the evaluation criteria . We'll look at the finances and finally a do a production evaluation and close . 60.0 62.84 67.52 72.46 ES2008d A FEE029 0 73.849 99.824 74.03 99.76 So , starting off with the um last the last one , oh I don't have it here um , but we talked about energy , we're gonna use a kinetic battery um , we want to use a simple chip , because we're not gonna need a a shuffle um , we're gonna need a scroll um , we're choosing a latex case w in fruity colours that's curved and um we're using push buttons uh with a supplement of an on-screen menu . 74.31 77.36 78.68 79.83 82.36 83.94 86.6 88.39 99.76 ES2008d A FEE029 0 100.864 106.937 100.88 106.82 And it sounded like we had set um like eight or nine buttons , including five pre-set channels . 104.9 106.82 ES2008d A FEE029 0 107.494 111.409 107.74 111.37 Okay ? Let's do the look and feel design presentation first . 108.59 111.37 ES2008d C MEE031 2 112.506 113.942 112.6 113.9 Right , do you wanna start ? 112.79 113.9 ES2008d B FEE030 1 114.4 118.76 114.42 118.66 Right , well we made three different prototypes and I guess we'll start with with this one . 114.74 118.66 ES2008d B FEE030 1 118.76 137.918 118.95 137.88 Um we have our colours not are not fixed , but this is the general shape . Um it's you hold it sort of either like like this in your left hand or you switch it over and uh it's easily adaptable to either hand . You can push the buttons with your thumb like a mobile phone , or you can push them with your 123.3 125.2 134.14 136.49 ES2008d B FEE030 1 137.918 144.253 138.35 144.21 index finger of your other hand , or even I mean there's a whole variety , you can hold it like this and press it with your same index finger . 139.89 141.85 144.21 ES2008d B FEE030 1 144.253 149.409 144.89 149.06 Uh we have the on off button at the tip , very visible , very big . 147.48 148.45 149.06 ES2008d B FEE030 1 149.409 177.2 149.56 177.17 We have our up and down buttons , which are also gonna be our channel selectors , and we have our little menu button here . If you push if you're just pushing these normally , they're the menu buttons , if uh the volume buttons rather . If you press select once , they become channel changing buttons . If we press select three times , the menu with the other features and pro possibly also with your T_V_ channel choices shows up , and you have your five presets down here . 152.27 154.29 156.47 159.25 160.15 162.61 163.84 165.9 168.3 175.12 177.17 ES2008d B FEE030 1 178.24 181.776 178.26 181.62 Um if people wanna grab hold of that , see how it feels in your hand . 180.34 181.62 ES2008d B FEE030 1 182.8 189.472 182.82 189.34 That's our number one prototype . Um do you wanna present the potato , or shall I present the Martian ? 185.61 188.26 189.34 ES2008d A FEE029 0 187.438 189.19 187.438 189.04 like a little lightning in it . 189.04 ES2008d C MEE031 2 188.444 190.369 188.54 190.369 Okay , um 189.71 ES2008d A FEE029 0 189.581 191.92 189.89 191.86 The little lightning bolt in it , very cute . 191.12 191.86 ES2008d C MEE031 2 191.04 191.482 191.06 191.482 What - ES2008d C MEE031 2 192.448 200.571 192.47 200.54 We call that one the rhombus , uh the rhombus . Um this one is known as the potato , uh it's 194.1 196.77 199.43 ES2008d D FEE032 3 192.997 193.502 193.02 193.502 I could - ES2008d A FEE029 0 194.103 197.277 194.28 196.86 The v the rhombus rhombus ? 196.86 ES2008d B FEE030 1 195.776 197.222 195.8 197.01 That's the rhombus , yep . 196.54 197.01 ES2008d C MEE031 2 201.392 209.127 201.43 208.79 it's a how can I present it ? It's an ergonomic shape , so it it fits in your hand nicely . Um 204.1 205.81 208.26 ES2008d C MEE031 2 209.127 213.491 209.15 212.97 it's designed to be used either in your left hand or or in your right hand . 212.97 ES2008d C MEE031 2 213.491 218.785 213.51 218.61 Um I've gone here just for just for four buttons on this one . Um 217.87 ES2008d C MEE031 2 218.785 225.535 219.0 225.29 the two blue buttons here are for adjusting the volume . So you've got volume up and volume down on the other side here . 221.75 225.29 ES2008d C MEE031 2 225.535 237.266 225.96 237.17 Um the red ones are for uh changing channels , channel up and channel down and that's um moves between your favourite channels that you've selected . 230.88 237.17 ES2008d C MEE031 2 237.266 249.23 237.45 248.74 Uh this middle button here brings up the on-screen menu and when you're working in the on-screen menu you use the other four buttons to navigate around the menu system and the middle button uh to select - ES2008d C MEE031 2 249.23 252.144 249.53 252.08 and that's basically it , that's the potato . 251.4 252.08 ES2008d A FEE029 0 255.17 256.186 255.27 256.15 Um on , off ? 255.76 256.15 ES2008d C MEE031 2 256.88 264.371 256.9 264.28 Uh that would be one of your channels , basically , so like channel zero would be t to switch switch the machine off , yeah . 259.78 260.3 264.13 264.28 ES2008d A FEE029 0 260.305 261.274 260.41 261.21 Okay . 261.21 ES2008d A FEE029 0 262.575 263.75 262.73 263.62 Yeah we turn it off . 263.62 ES2008d D FEE032 3 264.56 268.064 264.58 268.0 Could the middle button of the on-screen menu function as a power button ? 268.0 ES2008d C MEE031 2 268.96 275.056 268.98 274.96 Um not really , it would make it hard to turn the machine off , to turn your T_V_ off . 271.59 274.08 274.96 ES2008d A FEE029 0 272.659 273.248 272.77 273.16 Mm-hmm . 273.16 ES2008d B FEE030 1 275.872 277.409 275.89 277.31 If you pressed and held it maybe . 277.31 ES2008d C MEE031 2 277.76 282.258 277.78 282.05 Yeah yeah , that that'd be one way of doing it , yeah . That'd work , yeah . 278.57 279.89 280.32 281.86 282.05 ES2008d D FEE032 3 278.112 281.246 278.13 281.03 If you like held it down , that would be on off . 279.95 281.03 ES2008d B FEE030 1 279.28 279.6 279.3 279.57 Yeah . 279.57 ES2008d B FEE030 1 280.768 282.8 280.79 282.77 On off , that's a possibility , yeah . 281.5 282.58 282.77 ES2008d A FEE029 0 282.752 283.104 282.77 283.06 Okay . 283.06 ES2008d B FEE030 1 283.968 302.215 283.99 301.93 And then finally we have um the Martian or the pear , either way . Um it's a bit different , just a little bit more of a creative feel . Uh you have the on off toggle stem on the top . We have the five preset seeds . 289.1 289.94 291.53 294.34 299.5 301.93 ES2008d B FEE030 1 304.112 312.16 304.112 312.13 And then you have on the sides to make it a little bit more three-dimensional , you have your channel changing , volume changing buttons and your menu button right here in the middle . 307.94 309.58 312.13 ES2008d B FEE030 1 313.744 325.946 313.76 325.946 So , that's for your consideration as well , plus it's an interesting talking point to have standing up . We figured it could stand up like this on your table , if you wanted it to , if I made the bot the bottom flat . 314.6 316.41 319.44 321.85 322.83 325.65 ES2008d C MEE031 2 315.971 317.296 316.19 316.86 Let's pass . 316.86 ES2008d A FEE029 0 321.606 322.303 321.74 322.13 Uh-huh . 322.13 ES2008d D FEE032 3 325.139 327.072 325.16 326.93 Sorry , what's the yellow one in the middle , I forgot . 325.41 326.46 326.93 ES2008d B FEE030 1 326.617 330.642 326.617 330.642 Uh the menu select button . 330.19 ES2008d A FEE029 0 332.048 336.224 332.09 335.99 Very interesting . I think that one's my favourite . 333.49 335.99 ES2008d C MEE031 2 333.68 335.065 333.87 335.065 So that's - ES2008d C MEE031 2 336.288 350.987 336.31 350.78 So that's our three prototypes . Um basically , in terms of making decisions , what we'd need to do is first of all decide on a form uh which of the three different shapes we want , then decide what kind of button layout we want , how many buttons , 337.8 339.26 340.55 346.64 349.74 350.78 ES2008d C MEE031 2 350.987 362.048 351.08 362.01 and then to choose what colours we want to make the buttons and if we wanna put any text on the device , like label on the buttons or put a brand name or or a logo on it or whatever . 356.79 362.01 ES2008d A FEE029 0 360.855 362.105 360.88 362.02 Mm-hmm . 362.02 ES2008d B FEE030 1 362.784 364.192 362.83 364.15 We were we were thinking that - ES2008d B FEE030 1 365.248 388.16 365.29 388.16 normally we'd go for fruity colours , but maybe we're also thinking that your sort of middle aged man , for an example customer , might not want a fruity coloured remote , so m maybe we'd have one version that's a bit toned down , maybe with with less contrasts on it . Yeah , something still a little bright to make it hard to lose , but 367.07 373.48 374.95 377.68 382.32 384.85 384.97 387.87 ES2008d A FEE029 0 381.762 382.47 382.0 382.43 Mm 'kay . 382.43 ES2008d C MEE031 2 384.768 385.151 384.86 385.151 Would - ES2008d C MEE031 2 386.932 388.752 387.11 388.14 Yeah , 388.14 ES2008d C MEE031 2 388.752 391.648 388.77 391.11 but we don't want it to look like a kids' toy . 391.11 ES2008d B FEE030 1 390.924 391.91 390.924 391.74 yeah . 391.74 ES2008d A FEE029 0 391.904 399.875 391.93 399.77 Now that was one thing that we brought up over email . I don't know if you picked up your email , but um the f the um feature that we considered for it not getting lost . 394.04 395.32 399.77 ES2008d C MEE031 2 395.158 395.495 395.21 395.42 Yeah . 395.42 ES2008d B FEE030 1 400.016 419.152 400.04 419.152 Right . Well we were we were talking about that a little bit when we got that email and we think that each of these are so distinctive , that it it's not just like another piece of technology around your house . It's gonna be somewhere that it can be seen . So we're we're not thinking that it's gonna be as critical to have the loss 400.55 408.44 411.05 414.15 ES2008d A FEE029 0 413.648 414.096 413.68 414.06 Mm-hmm . 414.06 ES2008d D FEE032 3 417.312 421.179 417.33 420.98 But if it's like under covers or like in a couch you still can't see it . 420.98 ES2008d A FEE029 0 419.728 420.48 419.75 420.48 It's really - ES2008d A FEE029 0 421.279 432.371 421.58 432.08 Would it be very difficult to um just have an external device that like I dunno , you tape to your to your T_V_ um that when you press it you ha a little light beep goes off ? 426.09 432.08 ES2008d A FEE029 0 432.371 435.818 432.8 435.69 Do you think that would be conceptually possible ? 435.69 ES2008d C MEE031 2 435.792 449.933 435.82 449.933 I think it would be difficult technologically , because if your if your remote's lost it's probably under the settee and in that case you can't you can't send an infrared sing signal to it to find it , s so it's 438.79 448.91 ES2008d B FEE030 1 435.808 436.312 435.83 436.312 I think - ES2008d A FEE029 0 438.278 439.135 438.53 439.03 Mm-hmm . 439.03 ES2008d A FEE029 0 448.384 449.272 448.4 449.24 Mm . 449.24 ES2008d C MEE031 2 449.933 465.061 450.26 465.0 I'm not quite sure how it would work and then I wonder if it's if it's more just a gimmick then anything else . Uh I mean ho how many times do you really , seriously lose your remote control and would would a device like that actually help you to find it ? 456.8 459.99 465.0 ES2008d A FEE029 0 450.872 453.036 451.01 452.99 That's true , mm 'kay . 451.64 452.99 ES2008d B FEE030 1 451.824 452.128 451.84 452.09 Yeah . 452.09 ES2008d B FEE030 1 465.12 468.286 465.14 468.19 There might be something that you can do in the circuit board and the chip - ES2008d B FEE030 1 469.184 474.248 469.2 474.1 to make it make a noise or something , but it would take a lot more development than we have this afternoon . 470.61 474.1 ES2008d A FEE029 0 472.656 473.248 472.75 473.21 Mm-hmm . 473.21 ES2008d A FEE029 0 474.624 482.64 474.64 482.61 Okay , that's a fair evaluation . Getting lost . Um we so we do we've decided not to worry about that for now . 475.86 478.18 479.65 482.61 ES2008d A FEE029 0 483.744 488.016 483.77 488.016 Okay 'cause well , the designs are very bright , so you're right , they're gonna stick out , but um 484.51 485.5 485.94 487.45 ES2008d B FEE030 1 488.08 492.512 488.1 492.48 So d do people have a preference as far as feel and functionality ? Um . 492.15 492.48 ES2008d D FEE032 3 492.672 521.016 492.69 520.98 I feel like this is simil or it's sort of what already exists so if we're trying to think of something sort of like new and fun , even though this is like what you're init I'm initially drawn to , just 'cause it's like comfortable and like not different . I sort of like this one , like I I don't know why , it just it's like small but still sort of like cute looking , I dunno . But I also like the b the side buttons on that one , like I think that's kind of neat . 499.56 503.75 507.44 509.27 510.33 515.62 516.63 519.58 520.98 ES2008d A FEE029 0 518.944 519.504 518.98 519.45 Mm-hmm . 519.45 ES2008d D FEE032 3 521.952 531.216 521.97 531.12 But I dunno how much any of this has to do with the fashionable , sort of cool looking thing that we also need to focus on . 526.43 531.12 ES2008d A FEE029 0 530.307 535.296 530.4 535.26 Could we maybe have like an extra button on the top for on off ? So then w we wouldn't have to have like a dual function ? 533.43 535.26 ES2008d B FEE030 1 533.889 536.112 534.0 536.08 Mm yeah , that's good , that's good . 534.99 535.6 536.08 ES2008d D FEE032 3 534.134 535.994 534.15 535.69 Ah , there we go . 535.02 535.69 ES2008d C MEE031 2 534.008 536.496 534.22 536.46 Yeah , it's possible , yeah , yeah . 534.44 535.23 536.29 536.46 ES2008d B FEE030 1 537.136 538.832 537.16 538.68 Here , stick it on . 537.93 538.68 ES2008d C MEE031 2 538.384 541.264 538.384 541.0 Put an extra the button on . 541.0 ES2008d A FEE029 0 540.128 540.72 540.15 540.59 Sure . 540.59 ES2008d A FEE029 0 542.493 547.599 542.67 547.26 Um uh why don't we do a product evaluation using your criteria , if you've developed some ? 546.19 547.26 ES2008d D FEE032 3 546.217 550.752 546.34 550.72 Well do we w like I think we're supposed to have one that we do it for . 550.72 ES2008d A FEE029 0 550.468 552.443 550.71 552.19 Oh okay . Okay . 551.96 552.19 ES2008d D FEE032 3 552.128 559.488 552.15 558.86 That was I was a little vague on what exactly I'm supposed to do , but let me I have to like write something on the whiteboard , so . 555.64 558.3 558.86 ES2008d B FEE030 1 552.96 553.893 552.98 553.893 So where - ES2008d A FEE029 0 557.528 558.236 557.66 557.97 Okay . 557.97 ES2008d A FEE029 0 559.456 562.104 559.48 561.92 Do you need this or just write on the white board ? 561.92 ES2008d D FEE032 3 561.104 566.288 561.12 566.2 No , I actually don't have like a PowerPointy thing , 'cause I think it would be redundant . 561.53 564.54 566.2 ES2008d A FEE029 0 563.9 564.496 564.07 564.32 Okay . 564.32 ES2008d B FEE030 1 564.41 565.003 564.65 564.88 Right . 564.88 ES2008d B FEE030 1 567.36 567.726 567.38 567.69 Okay . 567.69 ES2008d D FEE032 3 567.504 568.832 567.53 568.51 I dunno . 568.51 ES2008d A FEE029 0 569.937 575.788 570.19 575.19 It's kind of like uh like a joystick kind of thing , you know , kinda push it . 572.24 573.25 575.19 ES2008d B FEE030 1 570.736 571.184 570.736 571.15 Ooh . 571.15 ES2008d C MEE031 2 572.48 575.264 572.48 574.92 Cool . 574.92 ES2008d B FEE030 1 574.727 575.424 574.82 575.35 Hey . 575.35 ES2008d A FEE029 0 577.614 578.302 577.85 578.01 'Kay . 578.01 ES2008d A FEE029 0 579.589 581.602 579.8 581.31 Maybe a little smaller than that . 581.31 ES2008d B FEE030 1 581.44 583.376 581.46 583.34 No , I kinda like it . That's hard to miss . 581.67 582.38 583.34 ES2008d C MEE031 2 583.26 584.848 583.33 584.72 It makes look more fruity as well . 584.72 ES2008d A FEE029 0 584.854 586.895 585.37 586.895 Oh it does , it's kind of like 585.97 ES2008d C MEE031 2 586.576 590.367 586.6 590.25 It's like a deformed foot , I dunno . 589.34 590.25 ES2008d A FEE029 0 595.974 598.974 596.03 598.9 There it could have a stem like that , 'cause I do l kind of like the stem . 597.25 598.9 ES2008d B FEE030 1 597.536 599.755 597.536 599.755 Like - ES2008d C MEE031 2 598.432 598.624 598.45 598.59 Yeah . 598.59 ES2008d A FEE029 0 602.589 603.185 602.68 602.97 Yeah . 602.97 ES2008d A FEE029 0 604.096 607.687 604.12 607.39 It almost helps you ge keep a grip too , 'cause it goes in between fingers . 605.98 607.39 ES2008d C MEE031 2 606.192 606.416 606.21 606.38 Yeah . 606.38 ES2008d B FEE030 1 606.56 608.24 606.67 608.21 Yeah . Interesting . 607.69 608.21 ES2008d A FEE029 0 608.288 609.242 608.46 608.98 I like this one . 608.98 ES2008d B FEE030 1 609.632 618.368 609.65 618.33 Okay , is that where people are leaning then , the potato ? I like the idea of the I mean that's really gotten the simplicity of the buttons down , that one . 610.08 611.34 612.93 618.0 618.33 ES2008d A FEE029 0 610.093 611.567 610.24 611.53 Variety of colours are nice . 611.53 ES2008d A FEE029 0 613.192 615.391 613.52 614.87 I think I'm leaning towards the potato . 614.87 ES2008d A FEE029 0 617.962 622.024 618.32 621.82 Mm-hmm . I am worried about like um using a menu . 619.51 621.82 ES2008d A FEE029 0 622.96 630.72 622.99 630.69 Um in that like i withing menus there are submenus , and so how do you get back to the main menu ? 628.4 630.69 ES2008d B FEE030 1 628.336 628.686 628.36 628.62 Hmm . 628.62 ES2008d C MEE031 2 628.944 629.2 628.96 629.1 Yeah . 629.1 ES2008d B FEE030 1 631.056 636.848 631.08 636.81 Well that on the iPod , for example , you just every time you wanna go back you hit the menu button again and it brings you back one level . 632.13 632.7 636.81 ES2008d A FEE029 0 636.928 642.384 637.17 642.28 But that has a menu button separate from a select button , whereas if this one's both the menu and the select button ? 640.06 642.28 ES2008d C MEE031 2 640.464 640.704 640.48 640.65 Yeah . 640.65 ES2008d B FEE030 1 641.055 642.008 641.16 641.85 Good point . 641.85 ES2008d C MEE031 2 642.88 654.784 642.9 654.75 This is , it's the up and down buttons are used for scrolling up and down for a list of choices . You find the choice that you want and you press uh you press the right button uh . 643.52 649.23 654.75 ES2008d A FEE029 0 648.512 649.152 648.53 648.88 Okay . 648.88 ES2008d A FEE029 0 656.88 660.066 656.88 660.066 Could these be used for going to submenus or - ES2008d C MEE031 2 657.6 657.936 657.72 657.9 Yeah . 657.9 ES2008d C MEE031 2 658.928 662.099 658.95 661.96 Yeah , so they're used for going into and out of your submenus , yeah . 659.18 661.73 661.96 ES2008d B FEE030 1 659.424 664.336 659.424 664.3 Maybe yeah , maybe it can be one of those , if you press down and hold 661.78 663.0 ES2008d A FEE029 0 662.144 662.738 662.27 662.67 Okay . 662.67 ES2008d B FEE030 1 665.792 668.544 665.81 668.51 for two seconds , then it brings you back one level or something . 666.72 668.51 ES2008d A FEE029 0 668.464 669.085 668.49 669.01 Mm-hmm . 669.01 ES2008d A FEE029 0 670.576 674.451 670.79 674.22 Okay . Well , as long as we have that in mind as we're designing it still , mm 'kay . 671.23 671.38 673.64 674.22 ES2008d D FEE032 3 674.64 684.624 674.66 684.624 Okay , so which one are we sort of roughly looking at to address whether or not it meets our s um necessities , the yellowy one is that 674.95 683.24 ES2008d B FEE030 1 684.627 686.816 684.81 686.78 The potato ? Are we leaning towards the potato ? 685.52 686.78 ES2008d C MEE031 2 685.773 686.53 685.84 686.34 Potato . 686.34 ES2008d A FEE029 0 686.552 687.216 686.552 687.13 I think so . 687.13 ES2008d D FEE032 3 687.824 704.119 687.85 703.7 Okay , well we can obviously change it after we go through each different one . So basically what we need to do is some of the things that we've talked about before we need to make sure that that remote actually does conform to the things that we said it was going to . So what we sort of wanna do is that we each need to separately 688.15 690.96 700.73 ES2008d B FEE030 1 690.372 690.88 690.48 690.83 Okay . 690.83 ES2008d B FEE030 1 698.288 698.592 698.31 698.56 Okay . 698.56 ES2008d D FEE032 3 704.119 719.713 704.54 719.49 rank each of the following things and then I'll tabulate an average just to make sure that it does meet that . So we'll just go through them one at a time and we'll just go around and each of you can tell me on a scale of one to seven with one being really extremely true 711.59 ES2008d B FEE030 1 709.024 709.248 709.06 709.21 Okay . 709.21 ES2008d D FEE032 3 719.713 736.16 719.97 736.13 and seven being not true at all , or false , if the remote that we've created conforms to the following criteria . So we can do this one first . First we wanna know if it meets the fancy look and feel um objective . 722.74 723.76 727.99 730.1 736.13 ES2008d D FEE032 3 737.335 746.08 737.41 746.05 So like in my opinion the for now at least , the yellow one is probably somewhere in the middle so I'm gonna say it's like a three . That's just my opinion . 740.63 745.0 746.05 ES2008d B FEE030 1 746.352 746.752 746.47 746.72 Yeah . 746.72 ES2008d D FEE032 3 747.2 748.816 747.22 748.816 What does each of you - ES2008d A FEE029 0 750.105 753.682 750.38 753.49 I I kind of think it's it's unique enough that I'd give it a one or a two . 753.49 ES2008d D FEE032 3 753.616 756.816 753.65 756.67 Okay , well give it a number , sorry . 754.34 755.69 756.67 ES2008d A FEE029 0 755.632 756.106 755.65 756.06 Okay . 756.06 ES2008d A FEE029 0 757.038 759.423 757.47 759.37 I will give it a one . 759.37 ES2008d B FEE030 1 761.648 766.432 761.67 766.4 Um I dunno if it's it's creative . I dunno if fancy is the word I would use . 764.28 766.4 ES2008d B FEE030 1 767.584 773.776 767.6 773.74 I dunno if any of them are fancy in I'd say two , because c unique . 772.15 773.74 ES2008d D FEE032 3 772.512 773.2 772.54 772.87 Okay . 772.87 ES2008d D FEE032 3 774.864 785.12 774.88 785.01 And two , awesome . Alright , and same sort of scale for functionality , is it functional ? I think it's extremely functional , I'm gonna give it a one . 776.28 777.31 777.75 780.6 782.4 784.08 785.01 ES2008d C MEE031 2 774.872 775.798 774.93 775.56 I'll go for two . 775.56 ES2008d B FEE030 1 785.92 786.944 786.0 786.91 Yeah , one . 786.65 786.91 ES2008d D FEE032 3 786.896 787.312 786.92 787.28 One ? 787.28 ES2008d C MEE031 2 788.08 792.32 788.1 792.25 I think it's it's functional , it's also pretty basic , so I'll give it a two . 789.89 791.51 792.25 ES2008d D FEE032 3 792.624 792.976 792.65 792.88 Okay . 792.88 ES2008d A FEE029 0 794.496 796.604 794.53 796.33 Um functional . 796.33 ES2008d A FEE029 0 797.573 805.808 797.78 805.75 I think it'll get everything done , I think it might be a little confusing at first , um , I don't know if that's gonna be a later one . Okay , then I'm gonna give it a two . 798.74 801.44 803.0 804.55 804.78 805.75 ES2008d D FEE032 3 801.433 804.736 801.46 804.7 Okay . Well there's some other ones , I will address that , yeah . 802.66 803.66 804.48 804.7 ES2008d D FEE032 3 806.08 811.135 806.11 811.0 Awesome , okay . Um we wanna know next if it's technologically innovative . 806.7 808.03 811.0 ES2008d A FEE029 0 811.568 814.645 811.59 814.38 Did you give a functional ? Okay . 814.24 814.38 ES2008d D FEE032 3 812.976 816.848 813.0 816.81 Yeah , she said it was one . Um is it technologically innovative ? 813.19 814.79 816.81 ES2008d D FEE032 3 818.192 818.608 818.5 818.53 Mm . 818.53 ES2008d D FEE032 3 820.176 830.636 820.2 830.636 Not really , I mean not so much , 'cause we we don't have the L_C_D_ screen , we don't have fancy chip . Other than what it looks like , I dunno if it's really 821.03 822.99 824.81 827.05 828.6 ES2008d A FEE029 0 829.738 831.229 829.84 830.88 Well , the kinetic battery . 829.98 830.88 ES2008d B FEE030 1 830.08 832.28 830.08 832.13 In the battery , that's it . 831.79 832.13 ES2008d D FEE032 3 831.648 833.744 831.67 833.7 I kinetic battery is a big one , so . 833.24 833.7 ES2008d B FEE030 1 834.688 836.224 834.71 836.19 How many people would notice that , though ? 835.91 836.19 ES2008d D FEE032 3 834.96 835.36 835.01 835.04 Mm . 835.04 ES2008d D FEE032 3 836.848 838.768 836.87 838.73 But it but we know it's there . 838.73 ES2008d A FEE029 0 837.064 841.2 837.38 841.11 But they'll notice it after like a year , they'll be like hey , I have never changed the battery . 838.88 839.61 841.11 ES2008d D FEE032 3 840.544 844.688 840.56 844.65 And if it's made of like latex , that whole idea , that's pretty cool . I'll give it a three . 842.22 842.97 843.89 844.65 ES2008d A FEE029 0 842.169 842.877 842.42 842.84 Mm . 842.84 ES2008d A FEE029 0 843.734 844.927 844.0 844.73 Just the material . 844.73 ES2008d D FEE032 3 845.792 848.432 845.81 848.432 'Cause it we could've picked a lot of features that would've made it really - ES2008d B FEE030 1 848.64 852.992 848.71 852.992 Yeah . I I would say that it's 849.88 ES2008d B FEE030 1 854.544 857.851 854.56 857.82 Yeah , like fancy versus creative it's it's 855.64 ES2008d B FEE030 1 858.656 862.961 858.68 862.88 different . But does that equal innovative ? I dunno . I'll give it a three . 859.84 860.96 861.86 862.88 ES2008d D FEE032 3 863.536 863.904 863.58 863.86 Alright . 863.86 ES2008d D FEE032 3 865.248 865.6 865.27 865.57 Everyone else ? 865.57 ES2008d C MEE031 2 866.24 875.488 866.27 875.45 I'd say it's technologically it's not it's not unique , I mean it's it's just it is just pushbuttons um , so I I'd give it a four . 869.76 874.18 875.45 ES2008d A FEE029 0 877.598 879.126 877.71 878.94 Think I'm gonna go with the four as well . 878.94 ES2008d D FEE032 3 879.376 879.92 879.42 879.88 Mm 'kay . 879.88 ES2008d A FEE029 0 880.298 882.05 880.48 881.91 I really like that kinetic battery though . 881.91 ES2008d D FEE032 3 881.968 893.36 881.99 893.25 Next , is it easy to use ? Just so you know , easy to learn will be separate , so don't overlap them . I think it's really easy to use . I'll give it a two . 882.62 883.91 884.67 886.34 888.74 890.55 893.25 ES2008d A FEE029 0 886.096 887.026 886.29 886.77 Mm 'kay . 886.77 ES2008d B FEE030 1 887.104 887.488 887.14 887.45 Okay . 887.45 ES2008d B FEE030 1 894.24 897.264 894.34 897.23 Um I'll give it a one . Pretty hard to mess up . 896.46 897.23 ES2008d C MEE031 2 898.464 899.024 898.48 898.99 I'll say one . 898.99 ES2008d A FEE029 0 899.696 900.852 899.696 900.55 Uh let's say two . 900.55 ES2008d D FEE032 3 901.792 912.912 901.88 912.912 Alright . Um we next wanna see if it has a spongy quality and if indeed it's made of latex or rubber I it's spongy all the way . 902.84 912.65 ES2008d A FEE029 0 913.312 914.355 913.54 914.22 Give it a one . 914.22 ES2008d D FEE032 3 914.176 914.64 914.2 914.61 Yeah . 914.61 ES2008d B FEE030 1 914.363 914.944 914.38 914.75 Yeah . 914.75 ES2008d C MEE031 2 915.2 917.162 915.22 916.96 I wonder if it bounces when you drop it . 916.96 ES2008d B FEE030 1 917.408 921.76 917.43 921.76 Ooh , that you couldn't it'd be harder to break , harder to lose . 918.32 920.33 921.68 ES2008d D FEE032 3 917.828 918.296 917.9 918.26 Mm-hmm . 918.26 ES2008d A FEE029 0 920.768 924.343 920.79 923.48 Mm . 'Cause there would be less impact maybe , . 921.92 923.48 923.48 ES2008d C MEE031 2 921.104 921.392 921.12 921.36 Yeah . 921.36 ES2008d D FEE032 3 923.632 924.336 923.66 924.3 Iain , what do you give it ? 923.81 924.3 ES2008d B FEE030 1 923.688 924.429 923.91 924.02 Mm . 924.02 ES2008d C MEE031 2 923.939 925.296 924.12 925.26 Yeah I'd I'd give it a one . 925.26 ES2008d D FEE032 3 926.768 936.4 926.83 936.37 Alright and the next is , does it integrate some notion of fruits and vegetables ? Well , is it gonna be yellow ? 928.16 934.51 934.95 936.37 ES2008d C MEE031 2 932.016 933.536 932.04 933.39 Uh um . 933.39 ES2008d B FEE030 1 937.536 939.776 937.56 939.74 It it might be , 'cause that's our corporate colour , isn't it ? 938.28 939.34 939.74 ES2008d A FEE029 0 940.02 958.896 940.28 958.86 That's right , yeah , corporate colour , we didn't keep that in um well if we I know it would make it a little less c a little more confusing , but if we had all the buttons in black , and a design in and the outside in yellow , that'd be our corporate one and we could also have alternative colours , one a more conservative one , one that's more fruity . 940.98 941.2 941.79 948.83 950.49 952.83 955.93 957.71 958.86 ES2008d C MEE031 2 941.44 941.648 941.46 941.61 Yeah . 941.61 ES2008d B FEE030 1 943.2 944.4 943.22 944.37 We might wanna keep it yellow . 944.37 ES2008d D FEE032 3 957.84 960.576 957.86 960.54 Yeah , but if you had like a silvery kind of white or something . 957.95 960.54 ES2008d B FEE030 1 960.496 960.88 960.52 960.85 Yeah . 960.85 ES2008d C MEE031 2 961.696 962.514 961.72 962.514 Yeah , 962.34 ES2008d A FEE029 0 962.32 966.128 962.34 966.09 Um and can we have like an R_R_ inscribed on the bottom or something ? Okay . 965.77 966.09 ES2008d B FEE030 1 962.558 963.724 962.71 963.724 If we had a yellow - ES2008d B FEE030 1 965.232 965.664 965.25 965.63 Sure . 965.63 ES2008d D FEE032 3 965.615 966.505 965.87 966.38 Oh , yeah . 966.23 966.38 ES2008d C MEE031 2 966.048 966.24 966.07 966.21 Yeah . 966.21 ES2008d D FEE032 3 968.256 970.132 968.31 970.132 Alright , so I think it it's 968.62 ES2008d A FEE029 0 968.624 970.504 968.67 970.15 Fruity , so fruity . 969.5 970.15 ES2008d B FEE030 1 968.656 972.976 968.68 972.94 So it was inspired by the potato , so I think it's pretty fruity . 971.72 972.94 ES2008d D FEE032 3 971.888 972.176 971.91 972.14 Yeah . 972.14 ES2008d A FEE029 0 972.256 974.343 972.49 974.21 I think i it's kind of mangoey too . 974.21 ES2008d B FEE030 1 974.47 976.592 974.5 976.592 Oh , mango that that 975.07 ES2008d D FEE032 3 974.418 978.064 974.5 977.96 Yeah . I okay , I'm giving it a one the mango put me over . 975.17 975.68 977.96 ES2008d C MEE031 2 974.47 980.528 974.8 980.15 Mangoey is better , yeah . I like mangoes . 975.62 975.88 980.15 ES2008d A FEE029 0 975.349 976.318 975.54 975.88 Yes . 975.88 ES2008d A FEE029 0 977.98 978.405 978.04 978.37 Mm . 978.37 ES2008d B FEE030 1 978.256 983.696 978.28 983.59 That's a much more trendy than a potato one . 983.59 ES2008d D FEE032 3 979.168 982.784 979.168 982.75 What are what's everyone's numbers ? 982.75 ES2008d C MEE031 2 984.624 985.088 984.64 985.01 Uh two . 985.01 ES2008d A FEE029 0 985.635 986.231 985.74 986.09 One . 986.09 ES2008d D FEE032 3 986.96 998.176 986.98 998.14 Alright um , and does the design match the appropriate behaviour ? Remember earlier we discussed that people don't use a lot of buttons , that they use the channel flipping and the volume the most . 987.9 991.1 995.2 998.14 ES2008d D FEE032 3 999.392 1002.288 999.46 1002.25 I think we really took that into account a lot , so I'm gonna give it a one . 1001.33 1002.25 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1002.4 1003.174 1002.43 1003.14 Mm-hmm . 1003.14 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1002.357 1003.407 1002.48 1003.31 Yeah , me too . 1002.88 1003.31 ES2008d C MEE031 2 1005.36 1005.744 1005.39 1005.71 Uh one . 1005.71 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1006.608 1007.488 1006.63 1007.45 Did you say one , Rose ? 1007.24 1007.45 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1007.836 1008.433 1008.02 1008.39 Yes . 1008.39 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1009.648 1023.024 1009.77 1022.94 Okay um , also we talked earlier about R_S_I_ and wanting to prevent um any sort of like Carpal Tunnely kind of thing . Do we think that the latex sort of grip appropriately takes that into account ? 1010.47 1017.98 1022.94 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1024.016 1029.408 1024.13 1029.37 I think I'll give it a two , 'cause I almost feel like no matter what you do , something is gonna happen . 1025.18 1028.18 1029.37 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1028.005 1031.177 1028.22 1031.04 It's gonna be hard . 1031.04 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1028.383 1028.766 1028.42 1028.71 Yeah . 1028.71 ES2008d C MEE031 2 1029.36 1030.208 1029.38 1030.17 Yeah , yeah . 1029.98 1030.17 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1031.177 1036.216 1031.32 1036.216 And if it's repetitive movement it is gonna be only four buttons that you're constantly pushing , but um 1035.59 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1036.96 1038.522 1036.98 1038.49 Um um worth the risk , I think . 1038.02 1038.49 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1037.77 1041.152 1037.95 1041.11 I like how it fits in the hand though so I I'd go with a two . 1041.11 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1040.352 1040.656 1040.37 1040.62 Yeah . 1040.62 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1042.368 1050.487 1042.39 1050.487 I'll I'll say two as well . Because older people that aren't used to like texting with the thumb might find it a bit at first , but 1044.04 1050.25 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1048.591 1049.45 1048.82 1049.42 Mm . 1049.42 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1049.408 1050.168 1049.43 1049.7 'Kay . 1049.7 ES2008d C MEE031 2 1051.984 1053.056 1052.0 1052.95 Yeah I'll I'll say two . 1052.95 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1053.024 1069.6 1053.024 1069.55 Alright , awesome . And the ease of learning it . I know you were saying that you're a little bit nervous about that , I dunno . It sort of reminds me of the iPod . I just got mine , I still haven't read the instruction book and I'm doing okay , so and I'm not good at learning technology . So I'll give it a two . 1053.97 1054.54 1056.98 1060.0 1060.64 1062.47 1063.08 1065.34 1068.64 1069.55 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1065.28 1066.007 1065.3 1065.87 Mm . 1065.87 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1071.232 1085.866 1071.25 1085.79 The menu system and the the fact that multiple buttons are used for different things might be a bit confusing , but I think if it's one it's one of those things that it might take you five minutes to figure out , but you'll have it afterwards . So I'd I think I'd give it a two I guess . 1077.13 1081.01 1083.28 1085.79 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1082.593 1083.264 1082.92 1083.23 Mm-hmm . 1083.23 ES2008d C MEE031 2 1087.52 1100.199 1087.54 1100.02 I think it it's probably a little harder then most remotes to learn , because you have to you have to use the menu system and you have to tell it what your favourite channels are and that could take a bit of learning at first , but 1090.98 1099.76 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1097.139 1098.147 1097.28 1098.1 Oh , good point . 1097.56 1098.1 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1099.52 1099.856 1099.54 1099.82 Mm-hmm . 1099.82 ES2008d C MEE031 2 1101.76 1107.2 1101.78 1106.79 once you've , yeah once you'd learned how to use it , I think it is a lot easier . So I'd I'd give it a four . 1102.42 1103.74 1105.03 1106.79 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1106.64 1106.896 1106.66 1106.86 Okay . 1106.86 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1107.56 1111.904 1107.78 1111.904 I think I'd give it a four too . It's a pretty high learning curve , it'll be easy once you've done it , but 1108.96 1110.23 1111.52 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1112.128 1112.64 1112.15 1112.52 Mm-hmm . 1112.52 ES2008d C MEE031 2 1112.153 1112.653 1112.22 1112.45 Yeah . 1112.45 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1113.68 1120.224 1113.7 1120.224 Alright , um also earlier we had something about losing it and so now we're not addressing that at all , so 1114.14 1119.71 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1121.104 1125.537 1121.12 1125.537 We we I think we can kind of say we addressed it with colour , but 1124.85 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1124.416 1142.672 1124.44 1142.64 Okay , so in terms of not losing it , do you think that on a scale of one to seven , how easy or hard is it to lose ? I'm gonna I'm gonna give it a four , 'cause I think that you can still if it's in between somewhere where you can't see it , you're kind of not gonna find it , but anywhere else it's gonna stand out . 1124.81 1126.47 1129.77 1132.75 1134.68 1138.89 1140.76 1142.64 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1140.821 1141.229 1140.85 1141.19 Mm-hmm . 1141.19 ES2008d C MEE031 2 1141.096 1141.69 1141.3 1141.4 Yeah . 1141.4 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1144.592 1149.584 1144.61 1149.55 Um I'd say I'd give it uh a three , I guess it depends on how tidy you are normally . 1147.2 1149.55 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1149.344 1151.298 1149.56 1151.15 Mm I'd give it a four . 1151.15 ES2008d C MEE031 2 1151.952 1156.557 1152.07 1156.43 Um I'll give it a five 'cause i it would be easy to lose something like that , yeah . 1156.16 1156.43 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1155.573 1156.61 1155.59 1156.37 Small too . 1156.37 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1157.28 1163.136 1157.3 1163.1 Alright , we also said simplicity , how w how well does it address just being simple ? 1157.58 1160.29 1163.1 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1163.86 1167.771 1164.15 1167.52 Simple to use or simple in design ? Do you know ? 1167.07 1167.52 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1167.168 1176.471 1167.19 1176.39 I think overall , 'cause we had said before our two main things were simplicity and fashion , so those are the next two things we're gonna look at . Separate from fancy , like that sort of thing . 1167.86 1171.21 1173.67 1175.22 1176.39 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1175.164 1175.742 1175.32 1175.64 Right . 1175.64 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1177.584 1183.76 1177.6 1183.72 Um it like wants to be simple but it's not like totally totally simple , so I'm gonna give it a two . 1182.55 1183.72 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1184.574 1186.64 1184.65 1186.61 I'm give it a three I guess . 1186.61 ES2008d C MEE031 2 1187.773 1188.682 1187.81 1188.51 I'll give it a two . 1188.51 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1189.635 1190.142 1189.73 1189.97 Three . 1189.97 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1191.328 1192.864 1191.46 1192.81 Alright , and fashionable ? 1191.8 1192.81 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1193.757 1195.85 1193.78 1195.7 It's totally fashionable . I'd give it a one . 1194.98 1195.7 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1194.654 1197.008 1194.8 1196.97 It's hot , I mean it's a mango , come on . 1195.42 1196.41 1196.97 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1196.911 1197.834 1196.93 1197.69 Mango . 1197.69 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1198.384 1203.776 1198.384 1203.74 I mean how fashionable can you make a remote ? I think it's bringing technology and fashion together real really well . 1200.33 1203.74 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1202.64 1206.832 1202.64 1206.68 I dunno . I don't think it's quite as fashionable as my robot remote 1204.51 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1206.912 1210.284 1207.21 1210.284 I do like uh the little Martian one . 1209.9 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1208.56 1209.824 1208.58 1209.79 or alien or whatever he was . 1209.79 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1209.744 1212.021 1209.76 1211.89 Yeah , the toggle on off switch , it's really appealing . 1209.89 1211.22 1211.89 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1215.104 1215.728 1215.12 1215.54 Number . 1215.54 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1215.584 1217.248 1215.68 1217.19 Um two . 1217.19 ES2008d C MEE031 2 1219.712 1219.968 1219.73 1219.93 Three . 1219.93 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1221.007 1221.515 1221.21 1221.42 One . 1221.42 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1222.544 1229.408 1222.56 1229.37 And does it meet our like demographic need sort of for international appeal , 1229.37 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1230.992 1232.144 1231.01 1232.11 that whole thing ? 1232.11 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1233.744 1235.788 1233.76 1235.74 Just that it would se serve our audience . 1235.74 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1236.688 1237.504 1236.71 1237.47 I don't see why not . 1237.47 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1237.632 1243.843 1237.66 1243.56 Mm-hmm . I think as long if we offer in a in at least three different colour arrangements . 1238.54 1243.56 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1243.843 1245.286 1244.28 1245.16 Um yeah , that's good . 1244.83 1245.16 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1244.268 1244.651 1244.32 1244.62 Yeah . 1244.62 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1244.656 1245.088 1244.69 1245.04 Mm-hmm . 1245.04 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1247.072 1251.84 1247.09 1251.56 So I'll give it a a two . 1251.56 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1249.264 1250.56 1249.33 1250.52 Yeah , I'll say two . 1249.91 1250.52 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1251.904 1255.776 1251.97 1255.74 Alright , did anyone have any other features that they think were important that we didn't talk about ? 1252.19 1255.74 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1256.16 1268.704 1256.18 1268.52 Well um we didn't we didn't address the fact that it does need to b have a corporate logo , so let's let's make sure we keep that in mind that we ha that one of our colours concepts is corporate and has an R_R_ on it . All of them should have R_R_ , yeah . 1260.44 1267.1 1268.25 1268.52 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1264.37 1265.128 1264.44 1265.128 Shall we uh - ES2008d B FEE030 1 1266.32 1268.385 1266.34 1268.32 Well I think all of them should have an R_R_ . 1268.32 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1270.672 1273.506 1270.7 1273.34 And so we're gonna do that , so it will address it , fine . 1271.59 1272.99 1273.34 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1271.864 1273.525 1272.11 1273.37 Mm-hmm . Mm 'kay . 1272.46 1273.37 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1276.336 1276.816 1276.37 1276.76 Okay . 1276.76 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1278.26 1279.093 1278.32 1278.88 That's me . 1278.88 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1278.368 1279.072 1278.42 1279.04 Lovely . 1279.04 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1280.64 1287.907 1280.66 1287.87 Okay , now we're gonna look at finances . Um I have an Excel sheet that we're actually gonna calculate the cost um , 1281.04 1282.68 1287.87 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1289.014 1291.413 1289.04 1291.21 so let me exit out of this first . 1291.21 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1295.648 1297.093 1295.67 1297.093 Okay um - ES2008d D FEE032 3 1297.376 1297.883 1297.4 1297.85 Whoa . 1297.85 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1297.122 1298.725 1297.42 1298.725 Oh my . 1298.47 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1298.608 1299.237 1298.63 1299.1 I know . 1299.1 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1300.24 1305.581 1300.26 1305.32 Let me one more space . Gonna zoom in real quick . 1304.13 1305.32 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1310.752 1313.332 1310.82 1313.07 Okay . Hand dynamo . 1311.95 1313.07 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1314.176 1315.44 1314.2 1315.41 We're using kinetic battery , right ? 1315.21 1315.41 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1314.448 1316.032 1314.47 1316.0 Uh we're n using kinetic , yeah . 1315.77 1316.0 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1316.496 1318.512 1316.52 1318.512 Um and we're having one per - ES2008d B FEE030 1 1320.156 1320.812 1320.28 1320.64 Yeah . 1320.64 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1320.191 1323.104 1320.29 1322.86 One , okay . Um electronics . 1320.73 1321.61 1322.86 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1323.337 1325.984 1323.43 1325.95 Single . Simple , simple rather . 1324.52 1325.25 1325.95 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1324.576 1325.044 1324.6 1324.97 Simple . 1324.97 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1324.956 1325.706 1325.13 1325.6 Simple . 1325.6 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1326.112 1326.816 1326.4 1326.73 Mm 'kay . 1326.73 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1328.048 1329.251 1328.07 1329.22 Um the case . 1329.22 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1328.384 1332.511 1329.68 1332.36 Uh uh uh double-curved . 1332.36 ES2008d C MEE031 2 1330.903 1333.887 1331.05 1333.62 Guess it's double-curved . It is pretty curvy . 1332.68 1333.62 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1333.52 1333.904 1333.54 1333.87 Yeah . 1333.87 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1333.772 1337.001 1333.91 1337.001 It's very curvy , so okay . 1334.56 1336.9 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1335.648 1338.128 1335.67 1338.09 Yeah I never did get a picture of those so I don't really know . 1338.09 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1339.568 1349.92 1339.59 1349.92 Our case material supplements oops , we just skipped by them . No , we we the plastic is the plastic for the inside is assumed . The supplement is 1341.73 1344.16 1344.31 1348.87 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1342.176 1343.936 1342.2 1343.936 Well don't we need plastic , and 1343.28 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1348.416 1349.264 1348.47 1349.23 Provided , okay . 1348.94 1349.23 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1350.715 1351.415 1350.81 1351.19 The wood ? 1351.19 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1351.008 1352.941 1351.03 1352.91 Oh , I guess it was rubber rather than latex . 1351.19 1352.91 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1351.85 1353.1 1352.13 1352.96 I mean the rubber . 1352.96 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1352.24 1353.904 1352.26 1353.87 It was rubber and special colour , right ? 1353.55 1353.87 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1354.512 1354.896 1354.53 1354.86 Yeah . 1354.86 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1355.216 1355.984 1355.24 1355.93 Mm-hmm , okay . 1355.68 1355.93 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1355.744 1357.296 1355.76 1357.26 Do we have more than one special colour ? 1357.26 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1359.344 1363.04 1359.36 1363.01 Yeah , we're using we're gonna need at least two special colours . 1359.62 1363.01 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1359.322 1360.78 1359.37 1360.78 Uh well - ES2008d C MEE031 2 1361.232 1362.4 1361.25 1362.27 Special colours , isn't it ? 1361.94 1362.27 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1364.144 1364.608 1364.16 1364.54 Um . 1364.54 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1364.592 1367.007 1364.61 1366.88 I don't know what the se the basic colour is though . 1366.88 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1365.035 1365.49 1365.06 1365.49 Per - ES2008d A FEE029 0 1366.117 1367.658 1366.35 1367.57 I dunno where it yeah . 1367.57 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1367.872 1370.272 1367.89 1370.272 Well , but we know that we're having at least three colours , so 1368.01 1369.88 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1369.542 1370.967 1369.85 1370.86 So let's y say three . 1370.86 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1370.368 1379.104 1370.39 1379.07 Well , are we talking about on each colour combination or are we , you know , we'll like we'll have yellow and black . Is that two special colours ? 1370.58 1374.64 1374.87 1377.08 1379.07 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1379.568 1383.44 1379.62 1383.23 Yeah , I dunno . That I thi I thought that would be under yours . 1379.77 1380.8 1383.23 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1380.288 1383.732 1380.31 1383.732 Or or is white and black , then two more or 1382.25 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1388.08 1389.248 1388.11 1389.17 Uh . 1389.17 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1390.528 1393.493 1390.55 1393.31 I guess it's three , three three . 1391.99 1393.31 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1391.104 1392.437 1391.25 1392.17 We'll just say three . 1392.17 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1393.456 1400.992 1393.61 1400.96 Mm-hmm . Maybe the R_R_ will be in colour as well , so yeah . Interface , we're doing push buttons . And how many buttons do we have ? 1394.66 1396.51 1397.5 1398.26 1399.81 1400.96 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1393.595 1394.224 1393.72 1394.13 Right . 1394.13 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1394.38 1394.863 1394.44 1394.81 Alright . 1394.81 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1399.376 1399.732 1399.4 1399.69 Yeah . 1399.69 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1400.496 1402.509 1400.61 1402.47 We have six . 1402.47 ES2008d C MEE031 2 1401.824 1404.487 1401.84 1404.36 We've got five . Oh six . 1403.55 1404.36 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1403.408 1404.048 1403.43 1404.01 Oh no , five . 1403.66 1404.01 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1403.25 1405.113 1403.45 1404.73 Six , with the power . 1404.3 1404.73 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1403.348 1404.363 1403.62 1404.31 Six . 1404.31 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1406.417 1407.042 1406.47 1406.83 Yeah . 1406.83 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1406.768 1407.684 1406.79 1407.65 Anything else ? 1407.65 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1408.224 1409.888 1408.25 1409.8 No . Oh , we'll do we wa 1408.64 1408.85 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1411.328 1413.208 1411.36 1413.16 Are the buttons in special colour , special f 1412.7 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1414.496 1415.584 1414.52 1415.584 I didn't get information on - ES2008d D FEE032 3 1415.504 1416.15 1415.52 1415.97 Oh wait . 1415.97 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1415.849 1423.588 1415.87 1423.38 Oh , buttons oh , so um . So the case material will just have one colour , right , but then the buttons will be in special colours ? 1416.31 1417.0 1418.66 1420.84 1421.48 1423.38 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1421.456 1426.656 1421.48 1426.62 Well , does it but if we're making multiple varieties of this is where I'm getting confused . 1421.98 1426.62 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1421.465 1422.09 1421.53 1421.96 Yeah . 1421.96 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1426.928 1428.271 1426.95 1428.19 We're saying per unit . 1428.19 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1427.717 1430.202 1427.717 1430.08 per unit , okay , okay . 1429.21 1429.82 1430.08 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1428.896 1429.906 1428.92 1429.82 Yeah , per unit . 1429.12 1429.82 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1429.568 1434.064 1429.59 1434.064 Okay , so each unit will only have one colour on their but the case is 1429.85 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1431.84 1434.463 1431.86 1434.41 Alright , and each button s 1432.18 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1435.056 1441.6 1435.08 1441.6 could have up to thr I mean the buttons could ea could be up to three colours , 'cause that how it's designed there . So 1438.5 1440.95 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1438.982 1439.403 1439.03 1439.37 Yeah . 1439.37 ES2008d C MEE031 2 1439.741 1440.21 1439.84 1440.15 Yeah . 1440.15 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1440.24 1441.33 1440.26 1441.19 I like it like that . 1441.19 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1440.202 1442.416 1440.56 1442.34 Yeah , okay . 1442.05 1442.34 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1443.952 1447.552 1443.97 1447.5 Special form ? They're all kind of just push button , right ? 1445.26 1447.21 1447.5 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1446.496 1451.248 1446.52 1451.21 No , I think they're fine . Material , we want them rubber as well probably , yeah . 1446.88 1448.91 1449.45 1451.03 1451.21 ES2008d C MEE031 2 1446.99 1447.604 1447.22 1447.44 Yeah . 1447.44 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1448.576 1449.52 1448.6 1449.49 Special material ? 1449.49 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1451.632 1454.682 1451.65 1454.59 Uh . Oh do I have to do it per button , do I ? 1452.65 1454.3 1454.59 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1455.536 1456.816 1455.56 1456.78 No , I don't think so . 1456.13 1456.78 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1458.784 1462.824 1458.8 1462.16 I think they're if they're all gonna be rubber then it that's what it matters . 1462.16 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1459.687 1460.126 1459.78 1460.03 Okay . 1460.03 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1463.808 1470.512 1463.83 1470.48 Yeah , 'cause it wouldn't make sense otherwise , 'cause for the whole mat case material it's only one . It's I mean it's two to make it rubber . Oh wait , so maybe . 1464.12 1465.02 1467.71 1469.61 1469.92 1470.48 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1464.08 1464.56 1464.21 1464.53 Yeah . 1464.53 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1464.662 1465.354 1464.68 1465.2 Yeah . 1465.2 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1467.084 1467.73 1467.18 1467.57 Mm-hmm . 1467.57 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1467.424 1467.744 1467.44 1467.71 Yeah . 1467.71 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1469.36 1469.68 1469.38 1469.63 Okay . 1469.63 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1471.675 1473.266 1471.86 1472.99 Thirteen point seven . 1472.99 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1473.904 1474.336 1473.92 1474.3 Oh oh . 1474.3 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1475.024 1477.233 1475.04 1477.05 Yeah , what can we reduce ? 1475.8 1477.05 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1476.576 1478.784 1476.6 1478.75 Okay , let's have our buttons all be one colour . 1476.82 1478.75 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1480.56 1482.532 1480.6 1482.37 Mm , I kind of like the buttons . 1481.06 1482.37 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1481.122 1485.274 1481.42 1484.94 Let's see what that would do . It's only gonna bring us down to thirteen point three anyway . 1483.03 1484.94 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1485.2 1485.76 1485.2 1485.73 Alright . 1485.73 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1486.773 1492.286 1487.0 1492.25 Okay um , are we sure this is double-curved ? Maybe it's single-curved , we have no idea . 1488.24 1489.61 1491.41 1492.25 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1487.696 1488.646 1487.87 1488.45 Uh . 1488.45 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1490.176 1491.36 1490.2 1491.32 We have no idea . 1491.32 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1494.336 1496.112 1494.36 1496.08 I dunno , I didn't get any pictures . 1494.9 1496.08 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1497.232 1504.563 1497.232 1504.32 It's single curved . Why not ? 1503.0 1504.32 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1498.56 1501.263 1498.92 1501.07 It's single curved . 1501.07 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1504.169 1510.784 1504.35 1510.75 Well it's not the yeah . Okay , it's the kinetic battery that's kind of expensive , but we have a simple chip , single curve , 1505.83 1506.09 1508.16 1509.87 1510.75 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1512.104 1521.815 1512.22 1521.63 case material is rubber and it's a special colour , but that's important . Six buttons we have to have six buttons . 1516.7 1518.51 1521.63 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1515.392 1515.76 1515.41 1515.67 Yeah . 1515.67 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1518.08 1525.216 1518.1 1525.16 That is important . How did it get more expensive , what did you just change ? It was it was thirteen and now it's fifteen . 1519.76 1521.19 1522.9 1525.16 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1522.787 1523.341 1522.9 1523.22 What ? 1523.22 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1526.48 1530.814 1526.51 1530.67 No , okay , maybe not . I don't know what just happened . Now it's twelve . 1526.66 1526.96 1528.16 1530.02 1530.67 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1530.043 1530.481 1530.19 1530.39 We - ES2008d C MEE031 2 1530.992 1532.336 1531.01 1532.24 What was our target price again ? 1532.24 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1532.464 1534.272 1532.48 1534.22 Twelve point five . Hey hey . 1533.54 1534.22 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1532.521 1533.559 1532.67 1533.47 Twelve point five . 1533.47 ES2008d C MEE031 2 1533.361 1536.192 1533.57 1536.16 Twelve point five . So we're just just about there . 1534.25 1536.16 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1535.328 1536.857 1535.35 1536.78 So we're okay , I think . 1536.34 1536.78 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1536.208 1536.88 1536.23 1536.85 We're all set then . 1536.85 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1537.952 1538.144 1537.97 1538.1 Yeah . 1538.1 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1540.352 1540.912 1540.37 1540.81 Ish . 1540.81 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1542.528 1554.656 1542.55 1554.33 Okay , we're all set . Um save . I saved that to our um our big shared folder , so you know . Um okay , back to agenda . 1543.22 1544.78 1546.67 1550.62 1551.93 1553.57 1554.33 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1542.992 1543.296 1543.01 1543.26 Alright . 1543.26 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1558.938 1564.992 1559.09 1564.96 Um are the are the costs under twelve fifty Euro ? Yes . Let's move on to the project evaluation . 1561.74 1563.21 1564.96 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1561.552 1562.256 1561.57 1562.22 Yes . 1562.22 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1562.288 1563.152 1562.31 1563.11 Yeah , they are . 1562.51 1563.11 ES2008d C MEE031 2 1562.264 1562.639 1562.32 1562.43 Yeah . 1562.43 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1566.192 1567.179 1566.21 1567.14 Project process . 1567.14 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1568.16 1598.636 1568.18 1598.59 Satisfaction with for example the room for creativity , leadership , teamwork , the means , any new ideas found . So I guess what we're gonna talk about here is just evaluating how we created this project , the information we got on the news , how we used it , if we were able to um , you know , use our creativity with the information , um how how well I guess I led it , um the how well we worked together as a team , um the digital pens , the whiteboard . 1570.49 1571.61 1572.66 1573.72 1575.36 1579.97 1581.61 1582.91 1585.14 1585.4 1587.76 1592.09 1596.07 1597.64 1598.59 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1599.6 1600.016 1599.78 1599.89 Well . 1599.89 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1600.048 1600.525 1600.07 1600.37 Okay . 1600.37 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1602.976 1608.334 1603.0 1608.3 I felt very creative . I enjoyed making the prototypes . 1606.23 1608.3 ES2008d C MEE031 2 1609.248 1621.808 1609.27 1621.74 I think we've been successful in that we've achieved almost all of the design goals that we've set and we've come up with a finished project and we just about got cost . 1621.74 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1616.32 1616.894 1616.35 1616.73 Yeah . 1616.73 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1623.344 1630.432 1623.36 1630.4 I think we could've done even better with a little bit more information , like what's a single-curved case , how many colours , what do colours count 1626.6 1627.98 1629.55 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1626.64 1627.008 1626.67 1626.97 Mm-hmm . 1626.97 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1630.992 1631.392 1631.02 1631.33 Mm-hmm . 1631.33 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1631.472 1635.232 1631.49 1635.2 things , but given given what we had I think that we did we did really well . 1631.84 1635.2 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1636.384 1638.912 1636.46 1638.88 Um I think we worked together pretty well . 1638.88 ES2008d C MEE031 2 1639.243 1639.68 1639.36 1639.51 Yeah . 1639.51 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1640.704 1646.944 1640.72 1646.86 Yeah , I mean if I'd had more market research on the fruits and vegetables , maybe we could've taken that into account . 1641.07 1645.15 1646.86 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1644.204 1644.629 1644.22 1644.55 Mm-hmm . 1644.55 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1643.52 1649.999 1644.26 1649.86 Yeah . But the fruits and vegetables , they really my creativity , so . 1646.76 1647.94 1649.45 1649.86 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1649.437 1653.392 1649.47 1653.36 I know , I really did , the the whole mango idea was great . No , I mean 1649.82 1650.45 1652.51 1652.85 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1651.968 1655.515 1651.968 1655.515 Do you think we could - ES2008d D FEE032 3 1655.056 1675.6 1655.08 1675.48 I thought the pen was a little distracting for me personally , like its heaviness , and like just being so conscious of like turning the pages , I dunno . That was a bit of a distraction . That was the last one , like I chose not to do a PowerPoint 'cause I didn't think it made sense to , so I liked that I had the option to do that and just to take my own notes and that whole sort of thing . 1658.68 1660.31 1664.04 1665.09 1667.05 1668.22 1671.5 1675.48 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1666.656 1667.003 1666.71 1666.96 Yeah . 1666.96 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1674.512 1675.168 1674.53 1675.09 Mm-hmm . 1675.09 ES2008d C MEE031 2 1681.552 1681.776 1681.57 1681.74 Yeah . 1681.74 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1681.728 1696.128 1681.75 1696.128 I think we all made um very significant contributions , I don't think anybody dominated it , which I thought was really good , like each of us was able to um like each of you had your information and I uh I tried to facilitate it without like taking over , um 1684.55 1686.65 1687.65 1695.26 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1695.568 1695.776 1695.59 1695.74 Yeah . 1695.74 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1697.218 1699.248 1697.54 1699.21 I like our little finished products . 1699.21 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1699.152 1708.56 1699.152 1708.51 Can we market this as the mango remote ? Should we have that somewhere on the packaging ? 1706.65 1708.51 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1699.372 1700.811 1699.372 1700.53 They're funny . 1700.53 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1700.323 1701.531 1700.39 1701.4 Really cute . 1701.4 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1701.408 1702.432 1701.43 1702.4 I kind of want one . 1702.4 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1711.056 1712.612 1711.12 1712.55 I have a little R_R_ . 1712.55 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1711.536 1714.638 1711.56 1714.27 I'm trying to think of a good pun that I could add there . 1714.27 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1714.096 1716.16 1714.12 1716.11 I know , let's think of it like a little jingle . 1714.57 1716.11 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1717.392 1718.31 1717.41 1718.28 Um . 1718.28 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1718.064 1720.16 1718.08 1720.13 I like the R_R_ , that's gonna be etched in . 1718.87 1720.13 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1720.08 1727.504 1720.14 1727.47 Yes . Hopefully not with just my fingernail at some point but um it's quite a useful little gadget . 1721.29 1727.47 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1728.8 1730.88 1728.82 1730.85 All thanks to Iain for the design of that one . 1730.85 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1730.8 1731.424 1730.8 1731.424 . 1731.424 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1733.44 1736.608 1733.46 1736.51 Okay um new ideas found ? 1736.51 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1733.946 1739.392 1734.07 1739.36 Mm . What did we find for new ideas ? People should really base their remotes on fruits and vegetables . 1734.9 1736.78 1739.36 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1739.616 1745.088 1739.64 1745.05 Definitely . Or or at least be c p creative enough to think of toggle switches mm 1740.83 ES2008d C MEE031 2 1740.448 1740.64 1740.47 1740.61 Yeah . 1740.61 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1745.984 1752.666 1746.0 1752.666 I I am really into the idea of kinetic batteries now after reading about them . That was 1752.26 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1746.384 1746.752 1746.41 1746.72 etcetera . 1746.72 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1749.536 1751.007 1749.56 1750.81 Oh , I'm so excited . 1749.83 1750.81 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1752.224 1754.208 1752.24 1754.16 Yeah , I didn't even know they existed . 1752.33 1754.16 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1754.096 1761.767 1754.14 1761.68 I I knew you can get watches that had them , like really quite expensive watches that just never need a battery , 'cause you're always moving your wrist . 1756.36 1760.29 1761.68 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1761.52 1761.984 1761.57 1761.95 Mm-hmm . 1761.95 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1763.088 1766.128 1763.11 1766.09 But in other things , I think it'd be really good . 1764.76 1766.09 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1767.824 1769.743 1767.87 1769.5 I thi yeah , that's awesome . 1768.85 1769.5 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1770.624 1773.072 1770.71 1772.96 Um okay , closing . 1772.5 1772.96 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1773.843 1791.808 1774.19 1791.808 Are the costs within the budget ? Is the project evaluated ? Now there's the final questionnaire and meeting summary . Um so , this is the great product kids , I think we've created something really interesting and that we have a market for it , um especially if we can produce it at twelve point three which we hope um 1776.14 1778.51 1780.65 1781.93 1783.27 1787.64 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1776.448 1776.93 1776.47 1776.9 Yes . 1776.9 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1787.792 1788.016 1787.81 1787.98 Yeah . 1787.98 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1793.68 1797.656 1793.7 1797.58 yeah . Make sure in your questionnaire to put down criticisms of 1794.4 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1798.528 1809.687 1798.55 1809.51 both the process and the um the final results and . I do like the Martian remote . If we could choose more than one , that would be my second choice . 1805.52 1807.38 1808.56 1809.51 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1804.528 1806.369 1804.55 1806.1 Yeah , Real Reaction . 1804.93 1806.1 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1809.296 1810.912 1809.32 1810.85 Oh , that would definitely be my second choice . 1809.42 1810.85 ES2008d C MEE031 2 1810.784 1811.329 1810.95 1811.16 Mm . 1811.16 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1811.408 1812.768 1811.43 1812.72 Although the tog toggle - ES2008d A FEE029 0 1813.904 1814.929 1813.92 1814.929 I'm afraid I would - ES2008d C MEE031 2 1814.134 1817.488 1814.26 1817.488 That's cool . Let's all let's all go for the yellow 1814.79 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1814.944 1817.088 1814.96 1817.02 I would break it . I would break it . 1816.37 1817.02 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1815.696 1817.941 1815.72 1817.78 It's cool . I think I would break it . 1816.9 1817.78 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1816.592 1823.696 1816.592 1823.696 It started because I wanted to have it as st as a stem and then alright , so 1823.19 ES2008d C MEE031 2 1818.176 1819.008 1818.2 1818.84 Break the stem off . 1818.84 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1823.297 1826.576 1823.61 1826.25 Oh that's funny . 1826.25 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1826.688 1832.064 1826.688 1832.064 Is it started as a pear , but then it started looking more and more like a Martian when I put the 1829.01 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1831.232 1835.484 1831.232 1835.4 Oh yeah , it's kind of a penguin . 1834.36 1835.4 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1831.136 1833.837 1831.46 1833.79 Kind of looks like a penguin , like with no eye . 1832.7 1833.79 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1832.864 1837.136 1832.864 1837.136 Take me to your leader . 1836.65 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1837.712 1839.072 1837.73 1838.9 I like that it stands up . 1838.9 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1839.536 1840.24 1839.56 1840.21 Mm-mm . 1840.21 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1841.0 1845.216 1841.41 1845.18 Wow , maybe I should market it to some remote control company now . 1842.12 1845.18 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1846.624 1853.717 1846.64 1853.717 So are are poor little thing . 1853.45 ES2008d C MEE031 2 1848.672 1850.511 1848.672 1850.35 That was bound to happen - ES2008d D FEE032 3 1849.2 1851.029 1849.2 1850.65 Oh , sad . 1850.03 1850.65 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1857.504 1859.696 1857.57 1859.66 Mm 'kay , congratulations . 1858.57 1859.66 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1861.136 1861.984 1861.24 1861.95 Um . 1861.95 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1863.68 1864.576 1863.7 1864.51 Anything else to say ? 1864.51 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1867.648 1871.076 1867.67 1870.93 Nothing will come up until after our meeting's supposed to be over , its all timed . 1870.02 1870.93 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1869.984 1870.633 1870.01 1870.56 Alright . 1870.56 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1871.024 1871.376 1871.08 1871.34 Oh . 1871.34 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1871.456 1877.274 1871.49 1877.24 Um anybody have I got more master classes , anybody else wanna like take a master's class ? 1875.1 1877.24 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1872.319 1874.635 1872.39 1874.635 Oh . 1874.12 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1875.408 1881.132 1875.408 1881.06 It's really funny that you got spam in your work emails . 1881.06 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1880.625 1884.241 1880.65 1884.15 Yeah , but check it out . So like there are all these like links , they don't go anywhere . 1881.21 1881.76 1883.44 1884.15 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1885.406 1891.152 1885.47 1891.09 But all that you need to keep in mind your knowledge management . Um just wanna make sure you do . 1889.12 1891.09 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1891.44 1901.943 1891.44 1901.88 No the first one that you sent like I didn't realise that it was a joke and I was like why did she send this to us ? It's very it's very work relevant , 'cause people send spam a lot . 1897.6 1899.33 1901.88 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1895.6 1898.304 1895.6 1898.304 Oh - ES2008d A FEE029 0 1899.596 1900.346 1899.66 1900.29 It is . 1900.29 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1901.488 1905.6 1901.51 1905.47 Yes definitely I'm very sad that I didn't get any links to the corporate website . 1905.47 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1906.32 1912.656 1906.32 1912.51 Let's see , what did I get through the corporate website ? It's just inspiration about circuit boards . 1908.1 1910.02 1912.51 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1906.56 1908.896 1906.58 1908.85 Oh here you can you can view . 1908.85 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1906.88 1907.344 1906.88 1907.344 . 1907.344 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1909.984 1911.098 1910.04 1911.01 You can just see what's up . 1911.01 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1912.72 1913.248 1912.86 1913.21 Wow . 1913.21 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1913.36 1915.936 1913.38 1915.9 Yeah it's it's really deep . Hold on . 1915.43 1915.9 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1917.885 1929.696 1918.29 1929.58 Takes a little while to get excited to load . That the Excel thing is pretty cool . Here , like , basically it's like inspiration , basically I'm gonna give you two sentences on fashion and 1920.87 1923.24 1923.6 1924.35 1926.94 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1922.624 1925.424 1922.78 1925.39 Yes . I love Excel , it's one of my favourite programs . 1923.4 1924.26 1925.39 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1922.747 1924.28 1922.88 1924.2 Yeah , that is pretty neat . 1923.22 1924.2 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1930.8 1933.568 1930.89 1933.48 that kind of thing , see . You didn't miss out that much . 1931.74 1932.1 1933.48 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1932.288 1933.808 1932.67 1933.77 I see , mm . 1933.49 1933.77 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1933.888 1946.08 1933.91 1946.04 Yeah , my inspiration from from last time is the in interior of a remote control being taken apart bit by bit , talking about circuit boards . I learned a lot actually . I could probably take apart a remote control now if I really needed to . 1934.04 1939.99 1941.86 1943.22 1946.04 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1935.764 1936.528 1935.87 1936.49 Spongy . 1936.49 ES2008d C MEE031 2 1942.462 1942.899 1942.54 1942.73 Mm . 1942.73 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1942.784 1943.519 1942.8 1943.44 Oh wow . 1943.44 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1946.256 1948.896 1946.39 1948.86 This one was cooler . I got a whole table and everything . 1947.54 1948.86 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1949.664 1964.191 1949.68 1964.16 Now I have all about circuits and chips and transponders and I wrote it all down , because I thought it would be relevant , like all the different parts of the inside of a remote control , but then they're like , you don't actually need this you just need to talk about the case . 1955.77 1957.42 1959.67 1961.14 1964.16 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1963.024 1974.171 1963.04 1974.07 That's like mine it was like , would you prefer an L_C_D_ screen or a multifunction remote control ? And then it didn't have like any kind of table , like awesome , I'm glad they asked that question and didn't report the result . 1963.84 1967.13 1969.77 1970.71 1974.07 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1973.68 1975.616 1974.53 1975.58 It's really interesting though . 1975.58 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1974.378 1979.763 1974.72 1979.7 I I thought it was a little tricky having to hand around this thing . 1979.7 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1980.656 1980.944 1980.68 1980.91 Yeah . 1980.91 ES2008d D FEE032 3 1980.896 1981.296 1980.92 1981.26 Yeah . 1981.26 ES2008d C MEE031 2 1981.216 1981.504 1981.24 1981.47 Yeah . 1981.47 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1981.808 1985.824 1981.83 1985.79 We had a lot of the um otherwise the technology today was kinda cool . 1985.79 ES2008d C MEE031 2 1983.679 1984.367 1983.72 1984.24 I think . 1984.24 ES2008d C MEE031 2 1986.16 1986.416 1986.18 1986.38 Yeah . 1986.38 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1986.158 1988.656 1986.39 1988.656 That was really neat how I got emails and - ES2008d C MEE031 2 1987.784 1990.208 1987.98 1990.17 We didn't we didn't use the whiteboard that much . 1990.17 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1988.803 1989.459 1988.89 1989.32 Mm-hmm . 1989.32 ES2008d A FEE029 0 1990.688 1996.528 1990.71 1996.528 No . Although I don't see how we could have very l at least for me I 1991.87 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1990.594 1991.438 1990.73 1991.25 No . 1991.25 ES2008d B FEE030 1 1996.862 2004.816 1996.9 2004.816 I yeah . If I'd gotten pictures of the different parts of the case , the different looks of the case , I would have probably drawn them up , but 1998.12 2001.83 2003.08 2004.63 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2004.928 2005.312 2004.97 2005.23 Mm . 2005.23 ES2008d D FEE032 3 2005.408 2013.427 2005.43 2013.34 'Cause we weren't like voting on anything and I think usually , like whiteboards are good , you know like crossing out ideas , or like if we had had like a brainstorming period . 2007.78 2009.22 2010.69 2013.34 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2012.176 2021.673 2012.2 2021.673 Yeah , we could've put our brainstorming stuff up there rather than just talking about it , but with only four people it doesn't really make sense . I think if you had a larger group 2012.36 2015.81 2019.84 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2016.048 2016.438 2016.07 2016.4 Mm-hmm . 2016.4 ES2008d D FEE032 3 2016.214 2018.024 2016.23 2017.61 But I thought we were good orally . 2017.61 ES2008d D FEE032 3 2019.681 2021.431 2019.79 2021.22 Get crazy . 2021.22 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2020.208 2027.245 2020.23 2026.92 And with and with the PowerPoint that we can all look at , like you can do all those things pretty much on PowerPoint as that's not as necessary to have . 2022.63 2026.92 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2022.816 2023.008 2022.84 2022.97 Yeah . 2022.97 ES2008d C MEE031 2 2025.072 2025.264 2025.09 2025.23 Yeah . 2025.23 ES2008d D FEE032 3 2025.539 2030.064 2025.7 2030.01 And these might've made us more willing to like take notes than to - ES2008d D FEE032 3 2030.857 2034.944 2030.88 2034.9 like write up them here , 'cause we all needed them separately , kind of on the whiteboards in this room . 2031.68 2033.28 2034.9 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2031.024 2031.456 2031.08 2031.34 Mm . 2031.34 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2034.192 2034.703 2034.21 2034.55 Mm-hmm . 2034.55 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2036.352 2048.096 2036.42 2048.06 Because we're all gonna be working in different places . We if we were all gonna stay in here all the time , then having the notes up on the whiteboard would've been alright , but everyone needs their own , like specific notes , I guess . 2040.08 2042.44 2045.34 2046.76 2047.83 2048.06 ES2008d D FEE032 3 2039.504 2039.84 2039.52 2039.8 Yeah . 2039.8 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2042.496 2042.944 2042.52 2042.81 Mm-hmm . 2042.81 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2049.12 2055.601 2049.14 2055.38 Now when you were um creating your um prototypes here , did you work together or did you like do separate projects ? 2052.31 2055.38 ES2008d C MEE031 2 2055.92 2070.352 2055.94 2070.32 Uh we we worked together , um but we were making like we sort of made different shapes and then discussed how the how the buttons might work , um and how we could like improve on the on the design . 2058.16 2065.81 2070.32 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2057.801 2058.332 2057.88 2058.08 Yeah . 2058.08 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2065.52 2065.904 2065.54 2065.87 Mm-hmm . 2065.87 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2065.851 2066.383 2065.94 2066.25 Yeah . 2066.25 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2071.184 2075.718 2071.2 2075.66 So it was a bit of both really , we just kind of started out by each taking a colour of clay and 2072.68 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2076.443 2084.24 2076.46 2084.19 just fooling around with it and I came up with that rhombus shape and he came up with the sort of potatoey , mangoey shape , and then just went from there really . 2081.41 2082.57 2084.19 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2079.248 2079.767 2079.29 2079.73 Mm-hmm . 2079.73 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2086.8 2087.008 2086.82 2086.97 Cool . 2086.97 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2087.472 2088.032 2087.49 2087.99 It was fun . 2087.99 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2094.848 2098.368 2094.848 2098.33 So well done with the management , I felt well managed . 2097.18 2098.33 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2098.64 2100.008 2098.73 2099.82 Oh thanks . 2099.82 ES2008d C MEE031 2 2099.952 2104.688 2099.97 2104.65 I think we did well in first of all giving our meetings the time , and second we actually 2103.47 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2100.976 2101.44 2101.05 2101.41 It's kinda fun . 2101.41 ES2008d C MEE031 2 2106.256 2109.915 2106.28 2109.84 we we did a good job of making firm decisions at the ends of the meetings . 2109.84 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2109.328 2109.806 2109.43 2109.65 Mm . 2109.65 ES2008d D FEE032 3 2110.35 2112.857 2110.37 2112.857 Sorry . 2112.6 ES2008d C MEE031 2 2110.688 2112.608 2110.71 2112.608 And I - ES2008d B FEE030 1 2111.84 2113.728 2111.84 2113.69 That happened to me all the time though . 2113.69 ES2008d C MEE031 2 2114.32 2131.311 2114.34 2130.49 I know what happens sometimes is that you tend to sort of have meetings and then people sorta drift away without anything actually really being decided . But I think here we got we got clear and and decisive decisive points at the end of the meetings , so that we we knew where to go on from there . 2122.16 2127.73 2130.49 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2121.856 2122.288 2121.92 2122.25 Mm-hmm . 2122.25 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2131.392 2140.368 2131.41 2140.33 Yeah , I was quite worried at the end of the last meeting that we weren't getting we didn't really have enough information to make firm decisions , but we were able to do it regardless , so . 2131.63 2138.46 2140.08 2140.33 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2138.144 2138.672 2138.19 2138.64 Mm-hmm . 2138.64 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2143.184 2149.41 2143.2 2149.27 I'm not usually a very decisive person , so it helped to have people say this needs to be done in five minutes . 2144.97 2149.27 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2147.278 2148.192 2147.38 2148.13 This is what we'll do . 2148.13 ES2008d C MEE031 2 2147.375 2147.875 2147.53 2147.74 Yeah . 2147.74 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2152.832 2156.061 2152.85 2156.03 I found that we did we could have used another five or ten minutes - ES2008d A FEE029 0 2156.815 2158.157 2156.84 2158.12 sometimes in the meetings . 2158.12 ES2008d C MEE031 2 2156.832 2158.368 2156.85 2158.33 Yeah , for some of the meetings , yeah . 2157.12 2158.14 2158.33 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2157.168 2159.312 2157.22 2159.28 Especially last time , yeah . 2159.08 2159.28 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2158.752 2169.136 2158.77 2169.1 Mm-hmm . Yeah I think the last time we had a lot of information , but at the same time not quite enough , you know what I mean , like we we couldn't answer every single question . 2159.79 2162.52 2165.79 2167.0 2169.1 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2162.367 2163.446 2162.43 2163.446 Yeah , 2163.13 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2165.624 2166.281 2165.72 2166.23 Yeah . 2166.23 ES2008d C MEE031 2 2166.784 2167.008 2166.8 2166.97 Yeah . 2166.97 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2167.014 2167.577 2167.2 2167.52 Yeah . 2167.52 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2169.504 2169.788 2169.52 2169.68 Right . 2169.68 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2169.807 2171.621 2169.807 2171.621 Um but - ES2008d B FEE030 1 2173.312 2178.512 2173.33 2178.41 And I I felt the first two meetings , that I was coming in with no information , and not sort of 2175.76 2177.53 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2177.92 2178.304 2177.94 2178.21 Mm . 2178.21 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2179.072 2189.04 2179.09 2188.97 made me really like , ooh I don't know , throwing together PowerPoint out of no no information and then last time it was like the opposite . I had so much information and so much to talk about . 2180.69 2182.05 2186.67 2188.97 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2189.696 2199.392 2189.72 2199.35 It was interesting what came out like later , like as I was doing the when I was doing the breakdown on the agenda that they gave me um , that more points came out from your presentation even . 2191.63 2196.06 2199.35 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2192.184 2192.458 2192.2 2192.42 Yeah . 2192.42 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2197.926 2198.272 2198.13 2198.24 Mm . 2198.24 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2200.688 2201.072 2200.74 2200.94 Um . 2200.94 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2205.52 2212.736 2205.59 2212.7 I'm a little I am a little disappointed that we didn't do a um something for losing the remote , because that was kind of a big point . 2211.23 2212.7 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2211.296 2211.6 2211.32 2211.56 Yeah . 2211.56 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2212.768 2220.512 2212.768 2220.512 that was something like in order to talk about that we would've had to have actual knowledge about circuit boards and things like - ES2008d A FEE029 0 2218.496 2219.232 2218.55 2219.2 About yeah . 2219.2 ES2008d D FEE032 3 2218.742 2231.472 2219.11 2231.44 Well the problem was , even when we just were creating from the Excel file , there wasn't like a option to select to somehow have it included , so there was no we could be like yeah , it has it included . There was no way for us to have 2219.83 2222.52 2226.95 2228.52 2230.07 ES2008d C MEE031 2 2219.325 2219.825 2219.43 2219.62 Yeah . 2219.62 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2225.936 2226.415 2225.99 2226.34 Mm-hmm . 2226.34 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2226.014 2226.514 2226.11 2226.47 Yeah . 2226.47 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2228.704 2229.606 2228.72 2229.606 I think we were - ES2008d A FEE029 0 2229.76 2230.192 2229.8 2230.16 Mm-hmm . 2230.16 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2232.096 2233.424 2232.12 2233.38 Considered the re yeah . 2233.38 ES2008d D FEE032 3 2232.136 2233.808 2232.21 2233.77 written down that it was really there . 2233.77 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2232.04 2232.54 2232.3 2232.51 Yeah . 2232.51 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2233.728 2245.072 2233.75 2245.072 I think we were just getting overenthusiastic with the task . I think we really got into it , I mean I got into it as the day went on and I got really like , ooh I'm designing a remote control , I dunno if that's just me , but 2237.63 2238.95 2241.89 2243.52 2244.88 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2236.962 2238.753 2237.33 2238.753 Well it's interesting that they - ES2008d A FEE029 0 2244.4 2257.474 2244.46 2257.41 Mm-hmm , yeah . It was interesting though that they put that fifty percent of people say they have frustration with losing their remote and yet they didn't provide us with information to um we weren't provided with information to discuss that . 2244.96 2246.48 2257.41 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2253.712 2253.984 2253.73 2253.93 Yeah . 2253.93 ES2008d D FEE032 3 2254.416 2254.832 2254.44 2254.77 Yeah . 2254.77 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2259.104 2267.44 2259.13 2267.44 I know that like people people have like things they can put on their keys that you press it and it'll beep , but I but I'm sure that would require some kind of technology that 2264.89 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2264.48 2264.848 2264.5 2264.81 Yeah . 2264.81 ES2008d C MEE031 2 2264.467 2264.873 2264.56 2264.82 Yeah . 2264.82 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2268.512 2269.965 2268.53 2269.965 I just don't know what it is , but 2269.57 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2269.344 2273.356 2269.36 2273.32 I think there are some of those like infomercial remotes that have things - ES2008d B FEE030 1 2274.304 2275.28 2274.32 2275.25 so you won't lose them . 2275.25 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2275.296 2275.68 2275.32 2275.61 Mm . 2275.61 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2276.48 2285.28 2276.5 2285.24 I dunno . I mean we were talking about it and like i in my household at least , there's only about two places that the remote is ever 'cause there's only one T_V_ and 2277.19 2280.71 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2283.072 2283.472 2283.09 2283.39 Hmm . 2283.39 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2286.4 2287.984 2286.42 2287.95 there's only like three chairs . 2287.95 ES2008d D FEE032 3 2286.64 2290.016 2286.68 2289.97 That's like saying you're never gonna lose your keys , and I always do , anyway . 2288.44 2289.37 2289.97 ES2008d D FEE032 3 2291.04 2299.778 2291.06 2299.66 You'll lose 'em in your pocket , like you just will forget that or you like put it down somewhere that like made sense and then not remember , there's always ways to lose things . 2292.32 2297.72 2299.66 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2292.512 2292.944 2292.53 2292.83 Mm-hmm . 2292.83 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2297.12 2297.52 2297.15 2297.48 Mm . 2297.48 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2299.824 2300.016 2299.84 2299.98 Yeah . 2299.98 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2300.672 2303.104 2300.69 2303.104 It d yeah , it depends on how organised you are personally , but 2301.0 2302.8 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2303.024 2305.696 2303.04 2305.66 Yeah , or like I guess what the setup of the house is too . 2303.33 2305.66 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2305.664 2306.048 2305.68 2306.01 Mm-hmm . 2306.01 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2307.488 2308.224 2307.51 2308.224 But , I mean 2307.92 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2309.36 2320.784 2309.38 2320.68 I am notorious for losing my keys , I just I guess I've just never lost the remote . I put my keys in the refrigerator the other night and couldn't find them . 'Cause I was putting groceries away . 2311.57 2314.57 2319.15 2320.68 ES2008d D FEE032 3 2321.906 2322.804 2321.93 2322.27 That's funny . 2322.27 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2323.808 2327.391 2323.808 2327.35 Oh . 2327.35 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2326.768 2331.744 2326.79 2331.71 You you're taking stuff from a bag and putting them in the refrigerator and then go back to my room . 2331.71 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2332.976 2335.468 2333.0 2335.468 Can't get in . 2335.34 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2333.664 2335.936 2333.76 2335.85 Can't get in , look all around the kitchen . 2334.81 2335.85 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2337.184 2338.88 2337.2 2338.8 Definitely in the vegetable drawer . 2338.8 ES2008d D FEE032 3 2339.618 2340.274 2339.78 2340.15 That's funny . 2340.15 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2340.976 2341.536 2341.0 2341.26 So . 2341.26 ES2008d D FEE032 3 2341.456 2344.608 2341.48 2344.52 I always do that , leaving it in my coat , and then like using a different coat . 2342.08 2343.06 2344.52 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2344.816 2345.184 2344.84 2345.15 Mm . 2345.15 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2345.616 2346.016 2345.69 2345.98 Yep . 2345.98 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2347.952 2350.544 2347.97 2350.51 But I guess it's 'cause we don't carry remotes around that much . 2350.51 ES2008d D FEE032 3 2350.816 2351.152 2350.84 2351.12 Yeah . 2351.12 ES2008d D FEE032 3 2354.512 2356.08 2354.53 2356.04 Can't really take it into the other room . 2356.04 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2356.928 2357.184 2356.95 2357.15 Yeah . 2357.15 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2360.672 2367.872 2360.69 2367.872 Maybe with our little robot one we could've had him have a robot , alien , pear , whatever he is , have a little voice like , I am located 2364.12 2364.52 2364.78 2365.42 2366.83 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2368.771 2373.318 2368.99 2373.16 Oh a G_P_S_ system , internal G_P_S_ . 2372.07 2373.16 ES2008d D FEE032 3 2374.304 2374.928 2374.34 2374.89 Oh man . 2374.89 ES2008d D FEE032 3 2377.808 2378.352 2377.83 2378.31 Here you go . 2378.31 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2378.813 2384.72 2378.813 2384.72 We should make one that walks by itself . 2384.56 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2379.616 2381.383 2379.64 2381.35 Although if it's sitting still for too long . 2381.35 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2382.448 2384.736 2382.448 2384.736 Yes I - ES2008d D FEE032 3 2384.192 2386.144 2384.21 2385.84 That really could get up and walk away . 2385.84 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2386.074 2393.12 2386.15 2393.12 Or or like some crazy like electro-magnet , that you push it and it'll go zoom to the T_V_ and stick there . 2388.55 2392.68 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2388.8 2389.728 2388.82 2389.728 Or little - ES2008d B FEE030 1 2390.912 2394.224 2390.912 2394.19 Or just just a wheel , you know . 2393.88 2394.19 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2395.216 2399.872 2395.24 2399.76 Just if you like you'd have a remote for your remote , that'll . 2399.19 2399.76 ES2008d C MEE031 2 2400.096 2401.12 2400.096 2401.05 Yeah . 2401.05 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2401.104 2405.422 2401.12 2405.09 Well , but if you could attach them to the T_V_ , then you can . 2401.26 2402.9 2405.09 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2401.408 2402.48 2401.408 2402.48 zoom - ES2008d B FEE030 1 2403.504 2403.824 2403.52 2403.79 Yeah . 2403.79 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2405.664 2406.08 2405.69 2406.04 Hmm . 2406.04 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2406.495 2408.08 2406.72 2408.04 All kinds of possibilities . 2408.04 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2406.592 2407.504 2406.77 2407.47 Mm . 2407.47 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2416.848 2417.232 2416.87 2417.07 Okay . 2417.07 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2419.888 2435.088 2419.91 2434.92 Sorry , I'm just um trying to update my minutes . I decided to you know how I sent you the email saying that PowerPoint minutes will be complimentary , rather than like repeating them . Just gonna make I'm making full minutes , so that it'll include all of the agenda and all that . 'Cause that seems a little more useful . 2420.05 2423.29 2427.51 2429.01 2430.82 2433.75 2434.92 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2427.472 2427.856 2427.49 2427.82 Yeah . 2427.82 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2431.139 2431.608 2431.23 2431.47 Oh . 2431.47 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2433.344 2433.728 2433.36 2433.69 Wow . 2433.69 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2436.635 2440.48 2436.85 2440.45 'Cause you've had like the most typing and organising to do . 2440.45 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2441.952 2444.96 2441.97 2444.96 But I didn't have like information to sloth through either , so 2444.64 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2444.144 2445.502 2444.16 2445.502 Yeah , I guess 2445.1 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2447.04 2450.048 2447.06 2450.01 How much of your PowerPoint was already done for you , every meeting . 2449.47 2450.01 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2450.112 2456.24 2450.13 2456.2 Most of it , mm-hmm . I added slides , um I added a couple slides each time , but that was about it . 2451.44 2451.9 2453.09 2455.53 2456.2 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2454.003 2454.316 2454.02 2454.16 Oh . 2454.16 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2456.192 2456.642 2456.27 2456.5 Okay . 2456.5 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2457.84 2465.168 2457.86 2465.13 Yeah , I didn't even think about adding slides , 'cause I would just get slides with titles on them and fill them all in w didn't even think about adding more . 2457.96 2459.45 2465.13 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2461.92 2462.288 2461.97 2462.2 Mm . 2462.2 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2465.696 2482.288 2465.72 2482.25 Well , the thing was they would provide y an agenda with s like several points , but it wouldn't have a slide for each point . And that's the only way I remember that I need to go other that point . I know personally when I do PowerPoint , that's what I do and so I had it once , even if it was just like the title of it , like the three presentations , and I would do your three . 2465.81 2468.9 2470.92 2473.9 2475.42 2478.62 2480.16 2481.47 2482.25 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2470.592 2471.654 2470.61 2471.62 Ah yeah. . 2471.62 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2481.888 2482.112 2481.91 2482.08 Right . 2482.08 ES2008d D FEE032 3 2497.051 2500.368 2497.43 2500.368 You have you have to have the slogan on it or can it just be like - ES2008d A FEE029 0 2501.952 2504.307 2501.97 2504.01 The slogan on it ? No no no . 2502.88 2504.01 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2502.064 2504.312 2502.1 2504.13 No , no , definitely not . 2502.77 2503.25 2504.13 ES2008d D FEE032 3 2503.456 2504.272 2503.48 2504.24 Okay good . 2504.24 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2505.008 2505.664 2505.37 2505.664 We - ES2008d D FEE032 3 2505.44 2508.964 2505.44 2508.964 'Cause I was like , it could go around the outside . 2505.9 2508.78 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2507.04 2513.568 2507.04 2513.53 No , I don't think we need to I think the R_ and R_ , especially if the yellow and black one . 2508.51 2510.82 2513.53 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2509.52 2511.97 2509.54 2511.93 I think we just need the um the R_R_ , yeah . 2511.51 2511.93 ES2008d D FEE032 3 2515.392 2516.848 2515.41 2516.81 Is it yellow and blue ? 2516.81 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2517.28 2519.408 2517.3 2519.37 Or yellow and blue . Lemme go to the web page . 2518.33 2519.37 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2519.568 2527.541 2519.59 2526.82 Yeah , I was just kinda going by the web page , 'cause they didn't give me any clear , like yellow , grey , or . 2519.74 2521.26 2524.0 2524.56 2525.28 2526.82 ES2008d D FEE032 3 2524.393 2528.828 2524.48 2528.77 Oh I guess it is black , grey . Grey is better than black , doesn't look so bumblebeeish . 2525.67 2526.56 2527.4 2528.77 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2532.146 2535.422 2532.44 2535.27 I don't really like yellow in general . 2535.27 ES2008d D FEE032 3 2534.64 2537.692 2534.71 2537.48 Hey now I understand the random like newsclippings . 2537.48 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2535.422 2535.822 2535.46 2535.822 But it - ES2008d B FEE030 1 2538.752 2542.688 2539.0 2542.688 Finish meeting now . 2542.13 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2541.824 2548.848 2541.84 2548.79 Wasn't it interesting that um I thought it was interesting that our market marketing um expert did not agree with the marketing um - ES2008d D FEE032 3 2549.024 2552.39 2549.024 2552.35 Yes . 2552.35 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2549.885 2554.547 2549.96 2554.51 the marketing choices , you know , like that was a bit of a conflict . 2551.12 2551.51 2554.51 ES2008d D FEE032 3 2552.39 2567.376 2552.71 2567.33 I will I just feel like if you're really doing like a a really big market evaluation , you wouldn't just have like one set of source , it's kind of an they were so not backed up , it would just be a sentence like we did a survey , this is what people said . 2557.5 2561.21 2563.14 2565.46 2567.33 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2568.32 2568.752 2568.34 2568.72 Yeah . 2568.72 ES2008d D FEE032 3 2568.312 2569.888 2568.45 2569.81 S mm , I dunno . 2569.12 2569.81 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2570.944 2571.68 2570.96 2571.64 People are stupid . 2571.64 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2572.592 2578.224 2572.62 2578.19 I guess it i it sort of a grey , isn't it ? Yellow and grey , but then the slogan's in blue . 2574.82 2576.13 2576.78 2578.19 ES2008d D FEE032 3 2579.872 2582.592 2579.89 2582.47 Well we got some grey and we got some blue buttons , we're good . 2582.12 2582.47 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2582.896 2585.584 2582.92 2585.55 Yeah . Well we don't have the right colour clay anyway . 2583.79 2585.55 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2585.872 2590.784 2585.89 2590.62 Maybe , like I don't know . That could always be . 2586.38 2587.91 2590.62 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2590.976 2595.52 2591.0 2595.15 Well we're not , sadly , going to actually be producing this , so . 2592.1 2592.69 2594.22 2595.15 ES2008d A FEE029 0 2594.233 2595.28 2594.3 2595.25 Oh . 2595.25 ES2008d D FEE032 3 2595.328 2598.256 2595.35 2598.256 If they ever come out with potato - ES2008d B FEE030 1 2598.24 2600.848 2598.24 2600.81 Potato mango shaped remotes . 2600.81 ES2008d D FEE032 3 2601.088 2602.718 2601.11 2602.718 I'm gonna have to - ES2008d A FEE029 0 2601.728 2603.536 2601.75 2603.48 I'm claiming it intellectual property . 2603.48 ES2008d D FEE032 3 2603.792 2604.4 2603.81 2604.37 Yeah . 2604.37 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2611.808 2615.088 2611.83 2615.05 I can't believe a whole day is gone . I don't feel like it's been that long . 2613.66 2615.05 ES2008d D FEE032 3 2613.472 2614.016 2613.49 2613.9 I know . 2613.9 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2616.1 2617.072 2616.14 2616.97 Get sucked in . 2616.97 ES2008d B FEE030 1 2620.288 2622.715 2620.31 2622.63 Mm I haven't gotten questionnaire eight yet . 2622.63 ES2009a D FEE036 3 2.195 9.277 2.27 9.277 Are you sure I got it all head's kinda small . Okay . 8.36 8.9 ES2009a C MEE035 2 7.974 11.974 8.27 11.69 How're we placed in terms of the alright . 11.69 ES2009a D FEE036 3 10.868 12.58 11.17 12.4 We're okay ? 12.4 ES2009a B MEE034 1 14.57 17.377 14.57 17.28 Guess I should probably try to sit up straight . 17.28 ES2009a A MEE033 0 19.162 21.529 19.57 21.05 Like that ? Okay , cool . 20.32 20.89 21.05 ES2009a D FEE036 3 21.842 22.517 22.16 22.45 We're good ? 22.45 ES2009a B MEE034 1 24.327 26.3 24.52 26.16 Oh , I think mine's fallen off . 24.9 26.16 ES2009a C MEE035 2 25.592 26.609 25.92 26.609 It fell - ES2009a C MEE035 2 27.395 28.271 27.54 27.9 That's why . 27.9 ES2009a D FEE036 3 35.364 42.486 35.72 42.33 I guess it's gonna be hard to drink coffee . Mm . Uh okay . 39.94 41.1 42.33 ES2009a C MEE035 2 42.541 43.065 42.65 42.71 Ah . 42.71 ES2009a A MEE033 0 43.483 44.112 43.71 43.99 Okay ? 43.99 ES2009a A MEE033 0 46.29 59.784 46.29 58.42 Right , so I'm just gonna start this PowerPoint real quick . Yeah , PowerPoint . Yeah , well , you know , . 48.01 51.98 52.47 54.31 54.74 55.09 58.42 58.42 ES2009a B MEE034 1 51.481 51.927 51.62 51.89 Wow . 51.89 ES2009a D FEE036 3 53.405 54.533 53.47 54.13 Very official . 54.13 ES2009a A MEE033 0 68.896 83.44 69.08 83.41 Yeah I kinda like this I'm kinda getting into it . Right . Um . So just to kick off the meeting basically um so we're working now for a real reaction , this is uh so it right . 73.38 73.76 75.2 80.98 83.41 ES2009a A MEE033 0 84.576 90.323 84.7 90.323 Just got an agenda to set out what we're gonna try to accomplish in this particular first meeting . Um 89.18 ES2009a A MEE033 0 91.344 98.119 91.36 98.0 We're gonna just do a quick opening and we can hopefully all get acquainted with one another um then we're gonna start talk a little bit about tool training . 98.0 ES2009a A MEE033 0 98.119 118.832 98.16 118.8 Essentially that means getting used to the only thing that we haven't tried out yet , the whiteboard . Um we've got a general plan for the project how we're gonna go about accomplishing this and then just a bit of discussion close up . Um I guess you know game or something um in real life um so yeah basically 102.28 103.27 110.82 ES2009a A MEE033 0 119.904 140.461 119.92 140.31 I want to I'm just gonna you got of course you can discuss that , I'm thinking about um uh proposing that since we've got this weird blend of ourselves and our roles that we just don't ask , don't tell . Um so um if you say something about marketing , right , sorted , um y is 122.99 133.47 134.6 137.84 138.27 138.99 ES2009a D FEE036 3 138.624 142.473 138.624 142.4 You're just gonna believe me , we'll go from there . Fair enough . 140.5 142.01 142.4 ES2009a A MEE033 0 141.126 151.328 141.33 151.15 Exactly . Um I mean obvi if if you guys if if at the same time if you like logically if something doesn't like if I'm like we're gonna sell a remote control that's the size of this paper book you know 142.3 ES2009a A MEE033 0 151.328 157.802 151.43 157.72 um you say like well that doesn't seem like such a good idea because of X_ obviously go with it . I mean we'll discuss it but 156.27 ES2009a A MEE033 0 157.802 168.564 157.96 168.43 I'm not gonna ask do you know that or uh yeah it seems like yeah yeah exactly so , 'cause we're what we're sort of role playing is y g yeah you're gonna tap into your own knowledge as well um . 163.5 168.43 ES2009a D FEE036 3 160.896 162.801 160.92 162.77 Prove it yeah , okay . 162.52 162.77 ES2009a A MEE033 0 168.564 175.641 168.64 175.641 And that's the same for your when we do introductions I mean um and you talk about your background you know have fun , you know maybe you went to um 173.96 ES2009a A MEE033 0 175.641 188.224 175.77 188.17 uh you know maybe i you're like in Maine you went to U_C_S_B_ but you wanna say you went to Harvard or something like that , why not , you know you can this is you know I guess we can have a little bit of fun with it . So are you guys okay with that does that seem logical ? 181.49 181.87 185.31 188.17 ES2009a B MEE034 1 188.288 189.76 188.67 189.61 Oh yeah , that's fine . 188.99 189.61 ES2009a C MEE035 2 189.92 190.224 189.96 190.19 Sure . 190.19 ES2009a D FEE036 3 190.144 190.688 190.16 190.65 Works for me . 190.65 ES2009a A MEE033 0 190.848 191.591 190.88 191.43 Sweet . 191.43 ES2009a A MEE033 0 193.648 215.133 193.67 214.98 Cool . So I guess that that we're totally we're making a remote control which is thrilling um uh but the idea is that we can make something based on the whole corporate model I dunno if you guys had time to check the in real life I dunno if you guys uh checked the um uh the corporate website . 194.24 214.98 ES2009a B MEE034 1 199.004 199.488 199.21 199.45 Right . 199.45 ES2009a A MEE033 0 215.133 230.425 215.19 230.36 Um we've got to make something as fashionable as possible , that's kind of the corporate strategy is we're gonna try to take ordinary stuff that nobody really thinks about and try to make it nice you know like John Lewis nice or you know if you go to Debenham's or something . 220.03 230.36 ES2009a A MEE033 0 231.312 246.89 231.44 246.81 So um basically we are reinventing the wheel but we wanna try to do it in a user friendly um slick sleek kind of way . Um way we're gonna go about doing that is basically at first we're gonna start on the basics . 240.81 246.81 ES2009a A MEE033 0 246.89 262.943 247.01 262.74 And that's where I'm gonna need you guys the User Interface Designers and the um um the other designer that I can't remember , the the I_D_ and the U_I_D_ right um the Industrial Designer hey right on alright , getting into it um 255.25 261.22 ES2009a C MEE035 2 260.368 260.672 260.39 260.54 Mm . 260.54 ES2009a D FEE036 3 260.587 261.398 260.86 261.36 There you go . 261.36 ES2009a A MEE033 0 262.943 273.704 263.3 273.59 to guide me and guide us on this project 'cause you're gonna be you're g you guys are the bottom you know you're like no you can't do that you can't have you know X_ and Y_ um at the same time . 273.59 ES2009a A MEE033 0 273.704 296.687 274.15 296.54 And then um we'll work up from what is necessary to more like what would be good , you know like um I I think you guys probably got the same emails I did but the idea of um , yes a coffee pot needs to be able to hold coffee but it's also better if it's not like really cheap glass so that it if you touch it you hurt your hand , or something like that . 280.45 286.71 295.67 296.54 ES2009a A MEE033 0 296.687 315.297 296.84 315.23 Um and so we'll work up from there and um then we'll meet on and talk about it and then finally we'll incorporate as kind of the last stage you know where you guys build or tell me tell us what's possible and then you tell us what we can um hope for and what way to go take the the the - ES2009a A MEE033 0 315.297 326.093 315.32 325.93 take the basics and make it nicer and then ov obviously uh the U_I_D_ and the I_D_ you know you you can keep on the you know sort of at the cutting edge of how to get about maximising what is possible - ES2009a A MEE033 0 326.093 336.48 326.3 336.45 um to try t of sync it all up . So that's the detailed design . So it's a three stage kind of thing . Um right so for now just for th the white board um 329.23 330.34 332.24 ES2009a A MEE033 0 337.536 345.456 337.57 345.39 basically uh just to get used to it , I haven't tried it yet either um I'm just gonna start and um mm carry like five remotes around 339.5 ES2009a A MEE033 0 346.054 365.904 346.13 365.87 um and just write down I'm just gonna write down one of the names of my um desert discs you know if you if you were trapped on a desert island and you could only bring five C_D_s along with you name one of them that you could , not all five , if you wanna write all five go for it but name one of them that you could um . Oh , we skipped introductions . Nice . 358.54 359.11 362.79 363.46 365.31 365.87 ES2009a A MEE033 0 366.896 378.617 366.92 378.617 I'm a excellent Project Manager . Um . I'm Marty , um I went to uni at uh U_C_ Santa Barbara and I'm here working on a P_H_D_ in psychology . Um yeah . So 368.57 369.32 370.4 375.83 377.74 ES2009a D FEE036 3 379.12 391.178 379.14 391.13 I'm Sarah , I went to Michigan , and I'm here doing cultural studies and I'm the Marketing Manager or something . Marketing , yeah Expert . Expert . Fine . That's me . 380.22 381.66 386.44 387.08 388.8 389.83 390.65 391.13 ES2009a A MEE033 0 386.989 389.616 387.07 389.58 Expert Don't play yourself down . 389.58 ES2009a A MEE033 0 389.972 391.16 389.99 391.16 Expert - ES2009a C MEE035 2 392.064 400.896 392.08 400.75 I'm Ron . I uh once upon a time studied in Victoria and I am the User Interface Designer . 392.86 400.75 ES2009a B MEE034 1 401.767 406.672 401.79 406.62 I'm Nathan , I'm from California , and I'm here doing a Masters degree in social anthropology . 402.4 403.59 406.62 ES2009a A MEE033 0 405.952 416.528 406.74 416.35 Where did you go to uni Nathan ? Oh brilliant . Cool . My little brother goes there . Right so desert island discs . Yeah . 408.79 409.51 409.69 412.03 415.83 416.35 ES2009a B MEE034 1 407.433 409.87 407.433 409.63 U_C_L_A_ . Yeah . 409.43 409.63 ES2009a B MEE034 1 410.656 411.216 410.71 411.17 Okay . 411.17 ES2009a D FEE036 3 412.942 413.647 413.1 413.57 So . 413.57 ES2009a D FEE036 3 416.808 420.405 416.84 420.29 So do we have to wait for you to write it down or are you gonna tell us ? I'm waiting to know . 419.47 420.29 ES2009a A MEE033 0 418.496 427.383 419.26 427.3 Well I'll t i no no yeah I'm just gonna write a couple of 'em down . See I'm a big music fan I don't know if you guys are , I'm assuming everybody likes music to some lesser or greater extent but 422.37 424.3 ES2009a D FEE036 3 423.776 424.738 423.81 424.738 Uh - ES2009a D FEE036 3 427.36 427.902 427.38 427.77 Fair enough . 427.77 ES2009a A MEE033 0 427.383 434.796 427.49 434.64 there's some other options , if you're a T_V_ slut like I am like Smallville terrible television show but I happen to love it , it's rubbish but I love it . 428.26 433.29 434.64 ES2009a D FEE036 3 431.76 436.8 431.78 436.77 Oh , Smallville . I went to high school with Tom Willing actually . 432.26 434.29 436.77 ES2009a A MEE033 0 436.925 439.296 436.97 439.26 T the the main c the main character ? Wow . 438.72 439.26 ES2009a D FEE036 3 438.005 439.904 438.17 439.79 The guy . Yeah . 439.22 439.79 ES2009a A MEE033 0 440.544 441.376 440.56 441.33 Is he a wanker ? 441.33 ES2009a D FEE036 3 441.376 446.969 441.4 446.85 Yeah . Very much so . Hell of a soccer player but a total bastard nonetheless . 442.9 443.99 446.85 ES2009a A MEE033 0 446.304 468.208 446.32 468.07 He looks really tall , like he's gotta be like six six . Yeah . Um okay so I really like Jeff Buckley . You guys heard of Jeff Buckley ? Um that's cool 'cause like not very many people have . Um and um oh well I might as well throw a British person in there um you can't go wrong with Radiohead . It's a r 447.37 449.83 451.08 454.75 456.83 460.77 467.81 ES2009a D FEE036 3 447.659 450.592 447.74 450.56 Yeah . He is a big guy . Yeah . 448.62 450.34 450.56 ES2009a D FEE036 3 455.737 456.208 455.87 456.12 Mm-hmm . 456.12 ES2009a B MEE034 1 455.74 456.776 456.25 456.65 Mm-hmm . 456.65 ES2009a D FEE036 3 468.32 469.008 468.46 468.97 Good call . 468.97 ES2009a A MEE033 0 473.232 489.536 473.232 489.4 Okay so it really works just like a pen only makes noises I think . It's kinda weird . Anyway yeah . Yeah , you're like press and it's . Kinda cool . You'll see . Alright so um whoever wants to get up next , you can write down some telly that you watch or whatever you want . 477.98 478.55 479.94 480.27 482.21 483.51 484.26 486.01 489.4 ES2009a D FEE036 3 478.342 479.312 478.62 479.28 Interesting . 479.28 ES2009a D FEE036 3 489.296 503.52 489.32 503.23 I guess I'll go next then . Okay . Don't wanna lose all my mikes , plugged in here . Okay . This is basically just pen practice huh ? Okay . Oh you're much taller than me so I'm gonna write down here . 491.4 491.77 494.15 494.97 496.27 499.97 500.95 503.23 ES2009a C MEE035 2 490.144 491.552 490.49 491.47 Go for it . 491.47 ES2009a A MEE033 0 490.688 492.288 490.71 491.97 Right on . 491.97 ES2009a A MEE033 0 499.647 500.176 499.92 500.1 W - ES2009a D FEE036 3 505.088 505.632 505.11 505.51 Um . 505.51 ES2009a D FEE036 3 507.689 518.365 507.73 518.33 Right now I'm listening to a lot of somebody nobody's ever heard of , Chris Bathgate , local Michigan folk singer , really lame and uh 512.63 513.98 516.48 ES2009a A MEE033 0 513.904 514.32 513.93 514.29 Mm . 514.29 ES2009a A MEE033 0 515.856 516.384 515.88 516.25 Nice . 516.25 ES2009a B MEE034 1 515.967 516.544 516.1 516.51 Wow . 516.51 ES2009a D FEE036 3 519.072 520.434 519.24 520.4 uh what else did I bring with me ? 520.4 ES2009a D FEE036 3 521.568 525.232 521.67 525.15 Probably classical , to totally geek it out , yeah I think . 522.79 524.13 525.15 ES2009a A MEE033 0 523.356 524.577 523.57 524.54 Okay yeah yeah . 524.54 ES2009a D FEE036 3 528.33 533.664 528.36 533.63 And my family guy D_V_D_s but we don't need to write that one down . So yeah . 531.85 533.63 ES2009a A MEE033 0 529.891 534.992 529.98 534.58 Well yeah . Oh , family guy . Isn't h has h do you watch the new season ? 531.5 531.74 532.86 534.58 ES2009a D FEE036 3 534.912 540.528 534.93 540.49 No . Are you getting it online , or is it on sky ? Yeah , that'd be nice . 536.13 537.38 539.06 539.74 540.49 ES2009a A MEE033 0 537.455 539.604 537.455 539.53 I think I'm gonna start downloading it yeah . 539.53 ES2009a C MEE035 2 541.264 548.768 541.53 548.71 Alright . Think I'm just gonna put down one uh one C_D_ . 543.83 548.71 ES2009a C MEE035 2 563.722 583.776 563.74 583.776 Anybody ? No ? no ? Afro beat orchestra , very cool . Yeah . Fift S they like fifteen members from Brooklyn . Um and I'm hoping to go to the concert in Belgium , in Brussels in April first . Yeah . It's supposed to be in Brussels anyways . Um thing I love about Edinburgh 564.53 565.09 565.73 566.86 568.56 569.44 572.63 575.87 578.02 578.26 580.03 ES2009a A MEE033 0 564.336 564.878 564.36 564.84 Mm-mm . 564.84 ES2009a B MEE034 1 564.342 565.168 564.41 564.95 No . 564.95 ES2009a D FEE036 3 564.833 565.776 564.99 565.61 'Fraid not . 565.61 ES2009a A MEE033 0 567.394 569.888 567.45 569.85 Afro beat orchestra ? Very cool . Mm . 568.9 569.66 569.85 ES2009a D FEE036 3 569.033 569.568 569.11 569.53 Mm . 569.53 ES2009a B MEE034 1 569.504 570.366 569.56 570.33 Sounds nice . 570.33 ES2009a A MEE033 0 576.471 577.248 576.56 577.11 Wow . 577.11 ES2009a D FEE036 3 576.672 577.696 576.7 577.6 Exciting . 577.6 ES2009a D FEE036 3 578.525 579.441 578.8 579.29 That'd be . 579.29 ES2009a D FEE036 3 583.781 585.372 584.02 585.34 Oh . I didn't even read those . 584.41 585.34 ES2009a D FEE036 3 585.669 589.04 585.91 589.04 Oops . I shouldn't admit that . 586.34 588.13 ES2009a A MEE033 0 586.495 591.98 586.84 591.92 That's what a PowerPoint presentation is for . It's they're designed specifically to ignore . I it's th brilliant . 588.52 590.71 591.92 ES2009a B MEE034 1 587.863 589.168 588.08 589.05 Oh , wow . 588.64 589.05 ES2009a D FEE036 3 590.641 593.856 590.79 593.82 Yeah . It's the five by five , I can't read that much . 591.75 592.79 593.82 ES2009a A MEE033 0 594.368 601.072 594.57 601.04 Ah yes yes yes okay I see that . Vomit . Yes . Street pizza . It's so brilliant . 597.45 597.86 599.0 599.94 601.04 ES2009a D FEE036 3 597.549 602.784 597.549 602.75 Yeah oh it's so horrible . 602.75 ES2009a C MEE035 2 598.986 603.648 598.986 603.648 Love um - ES2009a A MEE033 0 602.708 606.5 602.708 606.5 I've seen more urine in this city than ever before , I mean 606.05 ES2009a D FEE036 3 604.928 606.912 604.98 606.88 Oh my God . Seriously ? 606.07 606.88 ES2009a C MEE035 2 605.504 614.831 605.504 614.63 I just came from Glasgow and I'm um happy to say that there's the there's the same quantity approximately . Um . I w 613.87 614.44 ES2009a B MEE034 1 610.32 611.394 610.37 611.28 There's more vomit there . 611.28 ES2009a A MEE033 0 613.472 615.76 614.4 615.71 It's so minging . 615.71 ES2009a D FEE036 3 616.176 618.352 616.2 618.352 It really is - ES2009a A MEE033 0 616.761 617.85 616.95 617.67 Uh . 617.67 ES2009a C MEE035 2 618.848 625.936 618.87 625.89 Does uh yeah . Ready ? Minging ? Nice . 621.25 624.9 625.45 625.89 ES2009a B MEE034 1 621.616 622.399 621.64 622.12 Alright . Yep . 621.95 622.12 ES2009a D FEE036 3 626.256 628.682 626.28 628.59 Yeah . Slide it in there . Yeah . 627.29 628.25 628.59 ES2009a A MEE033 0 626.832 631.824 626.97 631.79 I'm going local . Going local . I have to be here for three years so I might as well get the terminology right . 628.25 628.83 631.79 ES2009a D FEE036 3 630.183 630.864 630.26 630.83 Yeah fair enough . 630.83 ES2009a D FEE036 3 632.016 639.066 632.04 639.02 I've already got more than I can keep track of . And I'm gonna go home next week and everyone's gonna be like oh my God you're turning into one of those people , no . 633.89 638.56 639.02 ES2009a A MEE033 0 636.88 645.552 636.9 645.552 Oh , have you been home yet ? They'll be like , say something British , and you're like oh shut up family . 637.57 638.87 639.69 640.59 645.1 ES2009a D FEE036 3 640.714 647.04 640.88 647.01 I know . I know . Oh it should be interesting . Wait until I tell them I'm not coming back . 642.12 643.47 645.52 647.01 ES2009a C MEE035 2 642.099 642.613 642.28 642.46 Uh-huh . 642.46 ES2009a B MEE034 1 643.232 644.256 643.25 644.256 Um - ES2009a B MEE034 1 645.84 647.392 645.86 646.8 Let's see . 646.8 ES2009a A MEE033 0 647.792 650.944 647.792 650.91 Right you s you're gonna stay here ? 650.91 ES2009a D FEE036 3 648.039 649.248 648.19 649.19 They're gonna love that one . 649.19 ES2009a D FEE036 3 651.056 654.32 651.08 654.28 Probably . Or at least get a work visa for a while and then decide . 652.03 654.28 ES2009a A MEE033 0 652.05 653.358 652.07 653.06 Wow . 653.06 ES2009a C MEE035 2 654.448 655.176 654.448 655.14 Nice . 655.14 ES2009a D FEE036 3 654.781 657.278 654.84 657.12 'Cause nice . 657.12 ES2009a A MEE033 0 654.944 655.808 654.96 655.7 Bad religion ? 655.7 ES2009a B MEE034 1 655.863 658.176 655.88 658.04 Yeah , that's the music I grew up listening to . 656.39 658.04 ES2009a D FEE036 3 658.096 658.969 658.12 658.88 Of course . 658.88 ES2009a A MEE033 0 658.208 659.28 658.23 659.03 Yeah yeah , yeah . 658.71 659.03 ES2009a D FEE036 3 659.849 662.065 659.99 662.03 Oh , now I can think of so many other ones . 660.54 662.03 ES2009a B MEE034 1 660.112 661.824 660.13 661.824 And so there - ES2009a A MEE033 0 661.936 664.112 662.2 664.08 Well yeah that's why yeah . 664.08 ES2009a D FEE036 3 663.056 663.935 663.08 663.9 That's how it works . 663.9 ES2009a B MEE034 1 664.08 666.024 664.1 665.94 Something I miss about my hometown . 665.94 ES2009a A MEE033 0 668.416 671.456 668.44 671.38 I miss coffee . Burritos . 670.52 671.38 ES2009a B MEE034 1 669.552 670.624 669.57 670.4 Burritos - ES2009a D FEE036 3 669.711 672.332 669.78 672.332 Mm . Oh 671.55 ES2009a C MEE035 2 670.272 671.057 670.47 670.97 Nice . 670.97 ES2009a B MEE034 1 671.648 675.94 671.67 675.94 that cost less than eight Pounds . 675.86 ES2009a D FEE036 3 673.014 675.739 673.014 675.64 Any thing that are like free . 675.64 ES2009a A MEE033 0 673.072 674.541 673.09 674.39 Oh yeah two two bucks . 674.39 ES2009a A MEE033 0 675.728 677.257 675.75 677.16 Where are you from in California by the way ? 677.16 ES2009a B MEE034 1 677.056 683.312 677.08 683.26 I grew up in San Diego , but yeah um La Jolla , P_B_ . 678.14 680.79 683.26 ES2009a A MEE033 0 678.224 679.219 678.24 679.03 Did you really ? What part ? 678.57 679.03 ES2009a A MEE033 0 681.44 682.448 681.47 682.41 Yeah I'm from San Diego as well . 682.41 ES2009a D FEE036 3 683.872 685.143 683.89 685.143 Nice . 684.39 ES2009a A MEE033 0 684.032 685.296 684.05 685.25 Yeah oh man . 685.25 ES2009a B MEE034 1 684.4 690.576 684.42 690.5 But really uh I last lived in San Francisco , I haven't lived in Cali well I haven't lived in southern California since I was eighteen . 686.86 690.5 ES2009a A MEE033 0 690.496 696.438 690.52 696.24 Going to s like North Carol I'm sorry you you just can't get a better burrito than what's available in the s in San Diego . 696.24 ES2009a B MEE034 1 696.704 702.672 696.91 702.55 It's different . 'Cause in San Diego th the tortillas are cooked on the grill and in northern California they steam them . 697.72 702.55 ES2009a D FEE036 3 703.792 707.584 703.81 707.584 It must make all the difference . 707.36 ES2009a B MEE034 1 704.688 705.968 705.01 705.93 Yeah , it really does . 705.24 705.93 ES2009a A MEE033 0 705.92 713.685 705.94 713.4 Well it's it's i there's other things too there's you just can't place it like I when I went to school in the U_ in Santa Barbara which is central California - ES2009a D FEE036 3 708.853 709.689 709.31 709.64 Ah . 709.64 ES2009a A MEE033 0 713.685 722.879 713.81 722.84 the Mexican food is okay , it's just not good like and yeah it's like two bucks , like literally two bucks for this massive I miss yeah good call on that . 715.74 718.68 722.84 ES2009a B MEE034 1 717.05 717.92 717.08 717.83 Mm . 717.83 ES2009a D FEE036 3 720.431 721.088 720.66 721.05 Right . 721.05 ES2009a B MEE034 1 722.576 724.912 722.89 724.7 Yeah . Where you from in San Diego ? 723.77 724.7 ES2009a D FEE036 3 724.109 724.834 724.19 724.64 Mm . 724.64 ES2009a A MEE033 0 724.832 732.15 725.06 732.12 Um just literally just metropolitan San Diego , I live like five minutes from the zoo . So North Park actually if you want to get real specific . 728.08 730.12 732.12 ES2009a B MEE034 1 729.6 730.16 729.64 729.96 Okay . 729.96 ES2009a B MEE034 1 731.584 734.496 731.6 734.46 Yeah , my grandparents lived on um thirty second . 731.88 734.46 ES2009a A MEE033 0 734.491 734.855 734.62 734.78 Yep . 734.78 ES2009a B MEE034 1 736.704 739.664 736.72 739.63 Close t uh do you know where Clare de Lune coffee shop is , and 739.41 ES2009a A MEE033 0 738.976 748.644 739.0 748.6 Yes . On university , yeah . Yeah it's actually like literally half a mile from my house . Yeah , pretty cool . Small world as we were discussing before . 739.58 740.51 741.81 745.54 745.74 746.18 748.6 ES2009a B MEE034 1 740.369 741.664 740.51 741.664 Cafe Forte - ES2009a B MEE034 1 744.8 745.328 744.89 745.23 Cool . 745.23 ES2009a B MEE034 1 746.912 747.424 747.05 747.39 Yeah . 747.39 ES2009a A MEE033 0 748.644 761.952 748.97 761.952 Especially when we're all from the same general region . Right so okay , success on the whiteboard . You can harness the awesome power a little bit introductions we talked about some of our C_D_s and things we like about the city you know , I think we'll 753.1 754.02 755.83 761.5 ES2009a D FEE036 3 755.568 756.221 755.62 756.19 There you go . 756.19 ES2009a B MEE034 1 756.618 757.325 756.75 757.25 Wow . 757.25 ES2009a A MEE033 0 762.721 772.072 762.74 772.072 Um right so moving on to not fun stuff uh project finance . Um basically what we're trying to do is sell this remote for twenty five Euros . Um . 767.41 771.23 772.03 ES2009a A MEE033 0 773.056 782.309 773.08 782.21 This is what the finance department has told me , the C_F_O_ but I don't know , I'm not sold on this , it's pretty dear , I mean twenty f that's like you know 775.21 777.5 778.67 779.75 ES2009a A MEE033 0 782.309 792.34 782.33 792.21 forty bucks for a remote . It would have to pretty much like do my laundry for me . Um so what we can maybe work on that a later but we're gonna make a lot on it , the profit aims to make fifty million Euros on it . 783.48 786.19 789.96 792.21 ES2009a D FEE036 3 785.952 786.387 785.98 786.33 Mm . 786.33 ES2009a A MEE033 0 792.34 804.921 792.37 804.45 Eur internationally . So um one of the things I I was gonna mention to you um you guys the designers is that um it m we probably need a rever it needs to be a universal remote control probably . 793.84 804.45 ES2009a B MEE034 1 804.569 804.933 804.59 804.87 Okay . 804.87 ES2009a A MEE033 0 804.921 818.281 804.97 818.281 Um so something that could do N_T_S_C_ as well as PAL as well as various other formats like if it's gonna control D_V_D_s but um you know I'll leave that to you guys but that's something that i i it is gonna be an international sold thing . 817.96 ES2009a D FEE036 3 807.634 808.55 807.76 808.49 Makes sense . 808.49 ES2009a D FEE036 3 811.994 812.608 812.12 812.4 Uh . 812.4 ES2009a A MEE033 0 818.281 824.48 818.3 824.42 Um but we wanna try to make it for twelve fifty . So we wanna try to make a hundred percent profit on it if we can . 821.54 824.42 ES2009a A MEE033 0 825.322 833.056 825.322 833.056 Um s right so um just to close up , I'm not sure how much time I've used mm next time right Project Manager , sorted . Um . 827.93 831.51 832.28 832.87 ES2009a A MEE033 0 833.056 843.865 833.08 843.47 Is uh we'll meet in another half an hour or so um and I'd like the um Industrial Designer to get ge think about what needs to be done , like what the basic function of it . 841.61 843.47 ES2009a A MEE033 0 843.865 854.243 843.89 853.81 Um U_I_D_ well yeah you right g your assignments are up there and you'll also get s assignments from in your email as well more spec specifics on what do do . 853.81 ES2009a A MEE033 0 854.243 870.205 854.29 870.205 Um mm basic and um so I need you to tell us what um we what the user's gonna want . So actually in a way you guys c maybe in our next meeting chat a bit about what the user's gonna want and what the user can have , you know like uh so 860.82 868.05 ES2009a D FEE036 3 859.878 861.102 860.14 861.03 What they're looking for . 861.03 ES2009a D FEE036 3 868.717 871.297 869.0 871.19 And negotiate that . Uh . 871.03 871.19 ES2009a A MEE033 0 870.205 883.574 870.35 883.53 yeah well it is and we'll discuss the trade-offs in between um so yeah specific instructions will be sent in your email . But I think that that is more or less a good place to start for now um 878.14 ES2009a A MEE033 0 883.574 890.16 883.62 890.1 and as more things come up we'll have meetings and you'll get emails and so forth . Um any questions , before we get started ? 887.71 889.2 890.1 ES2009a C MEE035 2 892.685 900.832 892.76 900.8 I assume that we're building a stand alone uh remote control , we can't kind of build it into other uh products . 896.35 900.8 ES2009a A MEE033 0 901.175 902.784 901.175 902.784 You mean to like - ES2009a C MEE035 2 902.704 906.048 902.72 906.01 For instance like a mobile phone or something like that . 906.01 ES2009a B MEE034 1 905.395 908.448 905.63 908.41 Mm . Sounds interesting . 907.37 908.41 ES2009a A MEE033 0 906.656 907.328 906.68 907.24 Hmm . 907.24 ES2009a A MEE033 0 909.066 910.624 909.066 910.53 Yeah . 910.53 ES2009a D FEE036 3 911.024 913.45 911.04 913.45 I don't think there's any rules about it yet . So 912.77 ES2009a B MEE034 1 912.72 917.526 912.79 917.43 Maybe our personal coach will have something to say about that . 917.43 ES2009a D FEE036 3 914.912 915.12 914.93 915.09 Yeah . 915.09 ES2009a C MEE035 2 915.504 921.808 915.52 921.77 Or or you know can we produ can we sell a remote control phone for twenty five pounds or less ? 921.77 ES2009a A MEE033 0 921.984 941.129 922.05 941.129 Well , have a think about it . I mean I'm I'm certainly op it seems like yeah it it seems like it's certainly do-able isn't it . I mean um or if we can't have a full mobile phone maybe a remote that has some other kind of useful function . The clapper . No I mean no , good idea , good idea . We'll see what see what 922.3 923.28 928.76 936.76 937.31 939.47 940.02 940.46 ES2009a D FEE036 3 921.585 923.355 922.13 923.02 Mm . 923.02 ES2009a C MEE035 2 923.136 924.739 923.41 924.53 Yep . Okay . 924.2 924.53 ES2009a D FEE036 3 926.224 927.312 926.51 927.27 W yeah . 927.27 ES2009a C MEE035 2 934.688 934.992 934.72 934.93 Mm-hmm . 934.93 ES2009a B MEE034 1 934.576 935.584 934.91 935.33 Yeah . 935.33 ES2009a B MEE034 1 940.736 947.034 940.8 947.0 Maybe a remote with changeable faces , like the faces that you can buy for phones . Yeah . 943.48 946.32 947.0 ES2009a C MEE035 2 944.432 949.792 944.432 949.792 Nice . Hot . 947.63 949.52 ES2009a D FEE036 3 945.203 947.32 945.3 947.18 I like the little cover thingies . 947.18 ES2009a A MEE033 0 945.888 948.624 945.91 948.624 Uh-huh y I like that - ES2009a A MEE033 0 949.76 957.024 949.78 957.024 Yeah . That's true , I guess we we probably have some time , maybe we should brainstorm a bit like what we wanna do , go back to um 951.01 951.39 953.13 955.87 ES2009a A MEE033 0 958.976 961.264 959.0 961.05 I don't really have any . Let me bring up something about 959.74 ES2009a A MEE033 0 962.464 969.2 962.48 968.95 our basic goals here , what we want to accomplish . Uh project announcement . 964.04 967.06 968.95 ES2009a A MEE033 0 970.437 971.872 970.72 971.872 Ts ts ts - ES2009a A MEE033 0 982.192 984.288 982.25 984.22 Yeah . Not so much . 983.24 984.22 ES2009a D FEE036 3 985.456 985.744 985.52 985.7 Hmm . 985.7 ES2009a A MEE033 0 986.368 988.048 986.39 987.81 All right we'll find them , we're on our own . 987.08 987.81 ES2009a C MEE035 2 988.419 991.826 988.44 991.68 Now are we also discussing kind of our initial ideas at all here ? 991.68 ES2009a A MEE033 0 991.36 993.424 991.38 993.38 Yeah yeah let's do it , let's do . 992.22 993.38 ES2009a C MEE035 2 993.665 996.416 993.84 996.18 S does anybody have any initial ideas ? 996.18 ES2009a A MEE033 0 996.432 998.4 996.52 998.4 I'm gonna go ahead and take notes on this too 'cause - ES2009a D FEE036 3 1000.97 1005.034 1001.24 1005.034 Good idea . Start your minutes . Um 1002.56 1004.2 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1003.536 1008.752 1003.56 1008.752 Yeah I mean oh yeah right . So initial ideas . 1006.4 1008.4 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1010.288 1017.059 1010.31 1017.02 Well it's pretty much given it's gonna be universal right , we decided that already and it may be functioning for other things , 1013.15 1017.02 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1012.896 1013.264 1012.92 1013.17 Yeah . 1013.17 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1017.059 1028.313 1017.08 1028.28 as soon as you said that I was thinking like all the other things you could get a remote to do , like your microwave or your front door or like to have everything on one thing , but then , I've never been a fan of those huge remotes that have like a million buttons , you can't tell what they do . 1019.52 1023.56 1024.52 1027.19 1028.28 ES2009a B MEE034 1 1021.376 1021.984 1021.46 1021.83 Yeah . 1021.83 ES2009a B MEE034 1 1026.832 1030.096 1027.25 1029.99 S smaller's better . Simple . 1029.06 1029.99 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1027.472 1027.936 1027.52 1027.9 Mm-hmm . 1027.9 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1029.005 1029.611 1029.12 1029.58 Yeah . 1029.58 ES2009a C MEE035 2 1029.043 1042.832 1029.17 1042.6 But I'm thinking I'm thinking kind of P_D_A_ uh design so touch screen design rather than button so that you can kind of flip around all sorts of different things . 1042.6 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1030.461 1031.424 1030.48 1031.3 Specific . 1031.3 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1037.596 1038.208 1037.68 1038.17 Okay . 1038.17 ES2009a B MEE034 1 1038.304 1039.928 1038.67 1039.89 Oh right . That'd be different . 1039.26 1039.89 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1039.613 1040.535 1039.66 1040.42 Interesting . 1040.42 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1041.728 1061.088 1041.728 1061.088 Yeah that's slick isn't it . I mean like stylist yeah like a just a yeah . Right so we got five minutes more to chat about this , perfect . Um so we've got this kind of an idea of a trade-off between um uh size and functionality . Um and we also 1044.01 1048.95 1051.0 1051.83 1059.54 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1046.791 1047.616 1047.03 1047.58 True . 1047.58 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1055.728 1056.101 1055.83 1055.91 Mm . 1055.91 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1058.391 1067.824 1058.43 1067.79 Mm . Right . We want it to be munt multifunctional but at the same time if you get it to do too much you're not gonna be able to tell them apart , that whole yeah . 1059.56 1059.91 1066.09 1067.79 ES2009a B MEE034 1 1064.471 1070.352 1064.49 1069.69 Yeah . It's gonna be too complicated , too crowded with buttons and things . 1065.98 1067.59 1069.69 ES2009a C MEE035 2 1065.152 1066.113 1065.23 1065.96 Too confusing . 1065.96 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1070.832 1079.264 1071.2 1079.23 I'm also gonna note for future reference this idea of um so you like maybe like an L_ like a touch screen type of remote ? 1079.23 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1071.69 1072.304 1071.76 1072.24 Hmm . 1072.24 ES2009a C MEE035 2 1079.296 1081.183 1079.33 1081.15 Mm-hmm . Possibly . 1080.58 1081.15 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1080.0 1080.384 1080.02 1080.34 Mm . 1080.34 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1081.216 1083.36 1081.24 1083.32 I don't think one exists . Be a good idea . 1082.66 1083.32 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1081.501 1082.776 1081.73 1082.74 An interesting option . 1082.74 ES2009a B MEE034 1 1082.72 1087.008 1082.74 1086.85 Needs it needs one outstanding feature to set it apart from all the other remotes . 1086.85 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1084.074 1084.583 1084.15 1084.5 Yeah . 1084.5 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1085.899 1086.671 1086.0 1086.62 Definitely . 1086.62 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1086.928 1103.824 1086.95 1103.824 Yeah all the other universal remotes . Um I don't know if there's such a thing out there , I guess we could do some uh do some research on or one of us could do some research on it about whether or not there are um multi-format like um you know PAL , N_T_S_C_ , region one 1089.27 1091.58 1102.16 1102.81 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1104.064 1104.448 1104.08 1104.41 Right . 1104.41 ES2009a C MEE035 2 1105.216 1124.416 1105.24 1124.33 I'm pretty sure there is . I mean I I have a friend who has a P_D_A_ that he just points at his telev any television he wants and it'll figure out the the specifications of it and will control it um so I th I assume that that can be done with uh kind of around the world . 1107.27 1124.33 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1107.564 1107.995 1107.58 1107.84 Okay . 1107.84 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1109.568 1110.192 1109.7 1109.97 Okay . 1109.97 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1111.504 1111.779 1111.53 1111.779 That - ES2009a D FEE036 3 1114.47 1114.97 1114.65 1114.94 Yeah . 1114.94 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1119.375 1121.328 1119.375 1121.15 Interesting . Okay . 1120.69 1121.15 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1120.048 1120.701 1120.07 1120.44 Awesome . 1120.44 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1123.262 1123.823 1123.42 1123.76 Yeah . 1123.76 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1123.408 1124.8 1123.43 1124.58 Okay . Okay . 1124.32 1124.58 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1126.224 1132.928 1126.24 1132.84 Um all right . So . I li I'm liking that idea , this idea of a touch screen remote with multi-format features . Um . 1127.02 1128.09 1129.41 1132.39 1132.84 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1132.252 1132.98 1132.34 1132.85 Mm-hmm . 1132.85 ES2009a B MEE034 1 1132.747 1133.987 1133.12 1133.58 Right . 1133.58 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1134.384 1134.928 1134.41 1134.89 Um . 1134.89 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1136.032 1137.952 1136.032 1137.86 Let's see . 1137.86 ES2009a B MEE034 1 1138.0 1146.768 1138.02 1146.73 I think , making it out of a nice material would be very important , because so many of those remotes that you see , these universal remotes look so cheap and low quality . 1138.54 1141.35 1143.53 1146.73 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1143.883 1144.357 1143.98 1144.32 Yeah . 1144.32 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1145.664 1146.256 1145.68 1146.05 Mm . 1146.05 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1146.176 1149.76 1146.2 1149.76 Yeah . Keeping it nice and slick , would be important . And 1146.38 1147.74 1149.38 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1150.784 1159.472 1150.8 1159.472 I don't know , like , there's such a problem with losing them , that adding this whole like P_D_A_ pen business is only one more thing to lose , so we're gonna have to be careful with what like 1151.53 1151.97 1154.21 1157.96 ES2009a B MEE034 1 1156.384 1157.12 1156.41 1157.08 Mm . 1157.08 ES2009a C MEE035 2 1158.568 1159.202 1158.78 1159.17 Oh . 1159.17 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1161.088 1166.144 1161.12 1166.11 Just something like keep in mind when we start actually dealing with this stuff but that would be really cool . 1166.11 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1166.928 1169.92 1166.928 1169.89 Uh let's see . Um . 1169.06 1169.89 ES2009a C MEE035 2 1169.775 1175.537 1169.92 1175.27 I like the idea of the uh multi plate . In in 1173.85 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1173.008 1174.149 1173.14 1173.97 Yeah yeah okay . 1173.97 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1173.168 1179.168 1173.19 1179.13 Yeah . Fi b like what are they called , those face plate things ? Isn't there a name for them ? Are they ? I dunno . 1173.76 1175.06 1176.54 1177.82 1178.56 1179.13 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1176.531 1178.608 1176.59 1178.57 Think they're just called face plates ? I don't know . 1178.16 1178.57 ES2009a B MEE034 1 1178.128 1181.291 1178.128 1181.2 something , uh we'll have to come up with a name , patent it . 1179.09 1180.76 1181.2 ES2009a C MEE035 2 1178.88 1187.904 1179.3 1187.904 I like . We should c we should come up with a fuzzy one as well . For those cold winter days . 1180.71 1185.24 1187.84 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1180.8 1182.367 1180.82 1182.33 Yeah . Something really cool . 1181.55 1182.33 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1183.559 1189.12 1183.559 1189.12 Leopard print or something . 1188.93 ES2009a B MEE034 1 1185.689 1188.148 1185.93 1188.148 Leopard print . 1187.87 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1189.632 1190.592 1189.65 1190.53 Um . 1190.53 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1196.813 1197.559 1196.94 1197.29 Hmm . 1197.29 ES2009a B MEE034 1 1197.755 1204.512 1197.78 1204.48 I think , it wouldn't be such a bad idea to have a like a locator device , maybe a simple button that you have on your television to help you find your remote . 1198.22 1201.55 1204.48 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1204.323 1204.816 1204.37 1204.76 True . 1204.76 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1205.264 1209.872 1205.69 1209.82 Mm . But if we're bundling it unless we're selling their telly with the remote . 1205.95 1209.82 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1209.84 1210.304 1209.86 1210.27 Right . 1210.27 ES2009a B MEE034 1 1210.432 1211.088 1210.58 1210.9 Mm . 1210.9 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1211.008 1214.415 1211.03 1214.415 Um - ES2009a C MEE035 2 1217.008 1229.76 1217.03 1229.42 Well if we bundle it as a phone then you can always call it . If you're not doing that then we can have something that just kind of rings from either well there used to be those whistling devices but that's a little bit annoying . 1220.38 1229.42 ES2009a B MEE034 1 1220.208 1220.816 1220.28 1220.62 True . 1220.62 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1220.737 1221.395 1220.94 1221.36 True . 1221.36 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1228.51 1229.049 1228.57 1229.01 Right . 1229.01 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1229.392 1246.592 1229.76 1246.56 Cou could we not do something where like just a little lit like literally just a very small kind of thing that comes with the remote that you could place something else that you press and it makes the remote page . Kinda like how on a lot of um uh cordless regular phones , you have a page button and it goes , could we do something like that ? 1239.95 1243.88 1245.58 1246.56 ES2009a C MEE035 2 1239.85 1240.494 1239.99 1240.43 Th - ES2009a D FEE036 3 1240.037 1240.862 1240.31 1240.78 Right . 1240.78 ES2009a C MEE035 2 1242.75 1243.274 1242.97 1243.24 Yeah . 1243.24 ES2009a B MEE034 1 1243.504 1243.984 1243.57 1243.83 Yeah . 1243.83 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1245.056 1245.582 1245.08 1245.51 Right . 1245.51 ES2009a B MEE034 1 1246.249 1248.688 1246.249 1248.54 I think so . 1248.54 ES2009a C MEE035 2 1246.275 1246.928 1246.35 1246.81 That's cool . 1246.81 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1247.024 1247.529 1247.04 1247.49 Probably . 1247.49 ES2009a C MEE035 2 1248.848 1254.56 1248.87 1254.56 I think we could design into that . 1254.37 ES2009a B MEE034 1 1249.84 1250.656 1249.86 1250.62 Yeah . 1250.62 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1250.52 1251.664 1250.52 1251.58 Good . 1251.58 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1253.392 1267.337 1253.41 1267.337 Um yeah I think this material quality as well like I guess what we can think about what kind of um uh you know Apple 's been really successful with this surgical white kind of business or this sleek kind of you know - ES2009a D FEE036 3 1263.636 1264.162 1263.83 1264.07 Mm . 1264.07 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1265.766 1271.216 1265.87 1271.18 Yeah . And that titanium the new silver sleek ones that's last couple of years , very much so . 1266.72 1270.62 1271.18 ES2009a B MEE034 1 1266.801 1267.216 1266.82 1267.1 Mm . 1267.1 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1270.24 1270.96 1270.26 1270.66 Yeah . 1270.66 ES2009a C MEE035 2 1271.136 1272.368 1271.24 1272.27 Curves . 1272.27 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1272.352 1272.768 1272.39 1272.73 Mm . 1272.73 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1272.688 1288.661 1272.71 1288.47 Yeah . We do have the minimum am amount I mean we were talking finances I dunno , selling a a forty Pound remote would h or a forty Dollar remote , twenty five Euro remote would be pretty you know it's pretty expensive so maybe we might wanna trade off some of the features for a lower price . 1272.94 1276.51 1279.72 1288.47 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1282.206 1282.56 1282.23 1282.52 Right . 1282.52 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1288.661 1298.944 1288.82 1298.91 Without without getting into that whole like you know go down to bargain store remote you know bargain store universal remote that's black and you know m massive , some kind of I dunno a balance there in somewhere . 1296.51 1298.91 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1293.647 1294.297 1293.647 1294.14 Right . 1294.14 ES2009a B MEE034 1 1294.588 1295.392 1294.66 1295.08 Yeah . 1295.08 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1296.788 1297.2 1297.06 1297.16 Mm . 1297.16 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1299.328 1299.92 1299.35 1299.89 Definitely . 1299.89 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1299.984 1306.364 1300.0 1306.364 But um have a think about what we can do , have a think about what we want to do , how we're gonna sell it and um 1302.33 1304.55 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1304.353 1304.853 1304.45 1304.82 Yeah . 1304.82 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1305.856 1318.89 1305.9 1318.89 Or if you our users in mind , like these grandmas are not gonna be into this whole new let's design , no it's they're used to the buttons so we'll have to be careful of exactly who we're marketing this to , and who we're gonna be able to get it out of . 1307.06 1311.91 1315.86 1318.7 ES2009a B MEE034 1 1315.299 1315.904 1315.35 1315.87 Yeah . 1315.87 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1315.92 1316.848 1315.94 1316.39 Mm . 1316.39 ES2009a B MEE034 1 1319.252 1320.32 1319.35 1320.16 'S true . 1320.16 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1323.433 1324.188 1323.59 1324.188 But - ES2009a C MEE035 2 1325.52 1327.632 1325.54 1327.55 We're talking twenty five Pounds or twenty five Euros ? 1327.55 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1327.552 1328.384 1327.57 1328.26 Twenty five Euros . 1328.26 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1327.508 1328.512 1327.77 1328.48 Euros . 1328.48 ES2009a C MEE035 2 1336.457 1338.144 1336.69 1337.85 Slight difference I guess . 1337.85 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1338.752 1342.918 1338.77 1342.75 Yeah . They're all weaker than they're all stronger than the Dollar . 1340.44 1342.75 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1343.024 1343.352 1343.06 1343.32 Mm . 1343.32 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1342.918 1352.455 1343.23 1352.27 Although , computer parts , all if you're gonna upgrade your computer , buy it in the States . Like um do you guys know Fry's ? Huge computer uh electronics store ? 1343.77 1345.09 1346.76 1347.97 1350.37 1352.27 ES2009a C MEE035 2 1350.441 1350.935 1350.53 1350.83 No . 1350.83 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1350.642 1351.511 1350.7 1351.05 Mm-mm . 1351.05 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1352.455 1361.802 1352.57 1361.59 They serve um right they sa tha s they will sell things overseas so you can buy stuff in America and have it shipped over for like twenty thirty Pounds about . 1361.59 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1357.519 1357.936 1357.57 1357.9 Mm . 1357.9 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1361.802 1385.7 1362.15 1385.44 Right so um let's go ahead and wrap that up here for now , I'm gonna put these initial ideas that we've got in the um project documents , so if you guys wa need a reminder about what we've talked about um the different you know kind of trade-offs that we've got and the other ideas , you can consult them at your leisure . 1368.03 1374.6 1383.78 1385.44 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1379.812 1380.681 1380.02 1380.34 Okay . 1380.34 ES2009a B MEE034 1 1380.298 1380.976 1380.44 1380.92 Okay . 1380.92 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1385.7 1392.48 1386.18 1392.44 And uh right so thanks for that . Let's just uh head back to work on what we were talking about bef uh goi h h getting into . 1387.87 1392.44 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1392.928 1393.712 1392.95 1393.68 With half an hour ? 1393.68 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1394.16 1395.6 1394.18 1395.52 Um . Yes . 1395.01 1395.52 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1395.536 1396.416 1395.61 1396.37 'Kay . Perfect . 1395.95 1396.37 ES2009a A MEE033 0 1396.736 1397.376 1396.76 1397.32 Thanks guys . 1397.32 ES2009a D FEE036 3 1397.472 1397.776 1397.49 1397.73 Cool . 1397.73 ES2009a C MEE035 2 1397.91 1398.416 1397.99 1398.38 Thank you . 1398.38 ES2009a B MEE034 1 1398.272 1398.768 1398.3 1398.65 Alright . 1398.65 ES2009b A MEE033 0 2.547 3.328 2.57 3.27 All set ? 3.27 ES2009b A MEE033 0 3.723 21.828 4.09 21.67 Okay . Cool . Right . So um basically I'm just gonna go over real quickly um some news I've just got from the board on how we're supposed to do with this um remote control . And then I'm gonna turn over to you guys to make brief presentations um on what you've found and then we'll have a bit of discussion . 4.67 5.56 5.81 14.94 21.67 ES2009b A MEE033 0 21.828 45.824 22.67 45.54 So basically uh what I've just found out from the board I dunno if you guys got this email as well but it needs to be television only . So no we're not doing D_V_D_ , we're not doing anything else , it's just gonna be a television remote . Um it also needs to have the company colours included in it . Um so that's red and black . And it has to have the slogan , case you guys forget the slogan it's , we put fashion in electronics . 28.18 29.54 30.62 32.75 38.49 39.98 41.62 42.83 45.54 ES2009b D FEE036 3 29.158 29.872 29.32 29.78 Okay . 29.78 ES2009b A MEE033 0 47.232 56.276 47.41 56.22 Um and no teletext . I'm not sure what teletext is but I'm assuming you guys do , so we don't wanna include that um in this particular design . 49.53 52.68 56.22 ES2009b A MEE033 0 56.55 74.768 56.55 74.69 For reasons that I don't really know . There's but it's the board so there you go . So basically um given those guidelines which will have some effect on how we design we'll discuss it later I mean 'cause it's television only we'll be able to change our uh um 60.53 63.5 ES2009b A MEE033 0 75.952 86.14 75.97 86.14 well we can s sacrifice more function for a better television remote . Anyway . So I'm gonna turn over to the Industrial Designer uh to go ahead and make a presentation on 80.47 81.0 ES2009b B MEE034 1 85.12 90.736 85.48 90.59 Okay . So do I unplug this bit here ? 87.59 90.59 ES2009b D FEE036 3 88.181 89.418 88.21 89.24 Gotta plug you in . 89.24 ES2009b A MEE033 0 88.22 89.212 88.27 89.0 Oh , right yeah . 88.47 89.0 ES2009b A MEE033 0 90.768 91.486 90.79 90.93 Yep . 90.93 ES2009b A MEE033 0 100.975 104.432 101.51 104.33 Might have to hit function F_ eight but it looks like it's gonna come up . 104.33 ES2009b A MEE033 0 107.402 108.048 107.42 108.01 Yep . Cool . 107.86 108.01 ES2009b B MEE034 1 107.872 161.324 108.05 160.76 Okay . Right . That's page one of my presentation . So the uh method . We're gonna have to understand how remote controls work and res uh successfully complete this project . Um remote control works as follows . This is all pretty basic stuff you guys . Um sends message to another system , so there's an energy source involved in that like a battery or solar power , something along those lines , there's an integrated circuit , which is the microchip , um and that actually compose the messages and usually the way a a remote control works is it sends infrared bits to another system . A user interface controls the chip , basically that's the casing and the buttons and um accordingly the messages as well . 110.24 112.29 117.12 118.92 124.06 126.82 129.07 132.7 137.4 139.05 140.34 142.08 151.82 154.16 160.76 ES2009b A MEE033 0 114.338 115.045 114.6 115.01 Brilliant . 115.01 ES2009b D FEE036 3 114.486 116.816 114.62 116.78 Very nice . For your first PowerPoint it's lovely . 115.55 116.78 ES2009b B MEE034 1 161.324 194.962 161.7 194.06 So my findings , um I just did a preliminary study here and uh I found that too much metal in remote design could potentially cause interference with the ability of the remote to send commands . And too much metal can cause remotes to behave unexpectedly by receiving false signals . Um too much metal is used sometimes and people pick up radio signals and the like , and there's also the possibility of the remote catching on fire and injuring the customer , just think of those lawsuits , that'd be really bad . Therefore I suggest primarily plastic construction . 162.82 173.35 178.76 182.76 188.11 189.52 191.12 194.06 ES2009b A MEE033 0 193.872 194.304 193.92 194.27 'Kay . 194.27 ES2009b B MEE034 1 194.962 259.632 194.98 259.632 Um , components . Just some ideas that I had , um , energy source , it's kinda hip to be eco friendly so I thought maybe we could do something with solar power with an alkaline battery backup . Um the user interface , I was since we can't use metal I was thinking maybe a high grade recycled plastic . The chip , um , silicon based chip I don't really see any way around that , we can't really be different in that respect . Um , the sender well I'm thinking infrared 'cause it is the industry standard , multi channel , that's a word I made up , I don't really know what it means . Uh PAL and N_T_S_C_ compatible and uh probably a two hundred foot range . Uh and the receiver of course is any number of electronic devices . Um but in this case it'll only be T_V_s . Um personal preferences , I really think that we should use plastic as opposed to metal , um , the company simply can't afford this kinds of lawsuits which adm admittedly is gonna come at the cost of a certain aesthetic value , 'cause we were thinking 196.06 196.82 198.46 198.96 200.27 207.68 209.52 215.52 216.47 217.14 219.83 222.9 223.51 227.66 228.91 229.9 231.46 236.73 241.53 244.5 246.97 249.78 250.54 258.06 ES2009b A MEE033 0 214.576 214.88 214.6 214.82 Mm . 214.82 ES2009b A MEE033 0 231.001 232.428 231.13 232.27 'Kay . Fair enough . 231.73 232.27 ES2009b A MEE033 0 236.202 236.64 236.22 236.59 'Kay . 236.59 ES2009b D FEE036 3 251.18 251.802 251.24 251.53 Fine . 251.53 ES2009b A MEE033 0 257.818 278.976 257.818 278.93 Is is there a way that we can use um modern types of polymers , or mo modern types of plastics that maybe do have some kind of aesthetic value um like if a white like if we talk about like well like on the lapt on these laptops and other ones they use a a pretty nice , you can do i is there some kind of nice colo der quality plastic that we can work with ? 262.96 274.65 278.93 ES2009b B MEE034 1 272.48 272.878 272.51 272.84 Right . 272.84 ES2009b D FEE036 3 272.137 274.398 272.56 274.25 It needs , yeah . 273.05 274.25 ES2009b B MEE034 1 279.152 286.528 279.17 286.44 Yeah that shouldn't be a problem . Um for example the plastic they have on your laptop there is something that's perfectly possible for us to do . 280.51 286.44 ES2009b A MEE033 0 285.548 287.056 285.65 286.91 Okay , okay . 286.71 286.91 ES2009b B MEE034 1 289.744 292.112 289.744 291.78 That's the end of my presentation . 291.78 ES2009b D FEE036 3 289.808 290.144 289.83 290.09 Cool . 290.09 ES2009b A MEE033 0 290.35 291.043 290.59 290.87 Great . 290.87 ES2009b A MEE033 0 291.808 300.384 291.83 300.29 Thank you very much Nathan . Um if next we can have the um User Interface Developer go ahead and make a brief presentation that'd be great as well . 293.78 300.29 ES2009b A MEE033 0 302.35 303.808 302.47 303.75 S plug yourself in here . 303.75 ES2009b A MEE033 0 322.176 323.696 322.2 323.696 Mm . 322.71 ES2009b A MEE033 0 324.965 328.224 325.04 328.224 Um hit function F_ eight real quickly , hold down 327.47 ES2009b A MEE033 0 334.742 335.474 334.82 335.03 Mm . 335.03 ES2009b D FEE036 3 335.173 336.352 335.28 336.32 Looks like you're in okay . 336.32 ES2009b B MEE034 1 336.528 337.6 336.6 337.51 Is it plugged in well ? 337.51 ES2009b B MEE034 1 340.707 343.6 340.73 343.57 There it goes . Computer adjusting . 342.59 343.57 ES2009b C MEE035 2 342.474 343.408 342.76 343.25 Th - ES2009b D FEE036 3 343.065 344.135 343.21 343.7 There you go . 343.7 ES2009b A MEE033 0 343.552 344.48 343.57 344.45 There you go . Sweet . 344.07 344.45 ES2009b C MEE035 2 349.436 391.44 349.58 391.38 Well so . Here we have a uh my technical functions design presentation . Um so a few of the requirements we need here . Uh we n basically need to operate an electronic device , it needs to be universal um and possibly uh operate several different types of devices although we now uh find that uh that that's no problem . Um so some of my findings . Um basically wanna send messages uh to a television set . Um that would be any number of different things uh such as switch on the television , uh switch to the next channel , that sort of thing , I think we're all quite uh 350.85 356.76 360.8 363.95 374.14 377.82 381.76 387.5 388.68 389.32 ES2009b A MEE033 0 370.704 373.328 370.91 373.12 Yeah sorry I couldn't get that g to use before . 373.12 ES2009b C MEE035 2 391.44 422.288 391.46 422.25 quite uh intelligent and know know what a normal remote control does . Um now some of the other things I found is a a complicated remote control sorry that we can't quite see my red there very well but uh this remote control has many functions um so it can do a lot of things but it uh it is quite complicated and most users will find it uh find that they won't use most of the functions because they don't know how to use them and don't wanna take the time to learn how to do it . 396.81 422.25 ES2009b A MEE033 0 403.813 404.941 403.9 404.79 Oh yeah look at that . 404.79 ES2009b B MEE034 1 404.8 407.088 404.82 407.088 Mm . 406.81 ES2009b A MEE033 0 413.951 414.547 414.07 414.38 Mm-hmm . 414.38 ES2009b C MEE035 2 423.28 445.984 423.3 445.87 As you also notice it's quite a boring design . Um . Another remote control , slightly different , it's a simpler remote control uh many less buttons but uh has many fewer functions , um m much easier for the user to manipulate and use . Um it also has a bit of a cheap look and it's also quite boring . 427.18 428.64 429.99 430.76 437.81 441.76 445.87 ES2009b C MEE035 2 447.44 474.144 447.47 474.1 So my personal preferences . Revolutionise the idea of uh a remote control . Um so attain the functionality of a complicated device but use a simple formatted display uh for the user to to work with . And I was gonna add another uh slide here but I didn't quite have time there . Um . Just incorporating some of the ideas that we had previously like uh having multiple face but it's uh . 450.35 454.39 462.71 466.6 467.31 474.1 ES2009b A MEE033 0 448.181 451.527 448.181 451.42 Nice . 451.42 ES2009b A MEE033 0 466.336 467.536 466.336 467.33 Okay . 467.33 ES2009b A MEE033 0 474.465 475.552 474.52 475.5 Great . Thanks for that Ron . 474.79 475.5 ES2009b D FEE036 3 475.488 475.792 475.52 475.76 Right . 475.76 ES2009b A MEE033 0 478.25 481.872 478.25 481.82 'Kay yep that's you . 481.82 ES2009b D FEE036 3 478.944 485.548 478.96 485.41 Does that mean I'm up ? I think so . Okay . Oh that would be perfect . Thank you . 480.36 481.81 483.32 484.18 485.41 ES2009b C MEE035 2 482.368 483.184 482.44 483.12 I can plug you in . 483.12 ES2009b D FEE036 3 487.9 489.056 488.07 488.96 Slide show up and running . 488.96 ES2009b D FEE036 3 491.248 492.466 491.27 492.34 Or not . Uh . 492.15 492.34 ES2009b A MEE033 0 491.682 492.904 491.76 492.83 Give it a little bit . 492.83 ES2009b D FEE036 3 502.317 504.736 502.62 504.09 Oh there we go . Perfect . 503.13 504.09 ES2009b D FEE036 3 504.736 560.205 505.36 559.63 Okay . So this is me . Um basically I was looking through some marketing reports that we've got and we had a usability test where we were actually sort like watching a hundred people use T_V_ remotes and see what it is that they're using and then they filled out a questionnaire about what they like and what they don't about their general T_V_ remote control practices . Um pretty much through testing we were finding out that most of the time , everybody's used to using changing the channel , turning it on , using the volume , m the majority of the time that's all that's going on , the other functions happen , for some people they're important , but the primary uses are really really basic . Um and so big complicated remotes like one we saw in the last presentation are really not the general public's use , they're not using a lot of it , they don't need it , they even find it frustrating when there are all those buttons that they don't know what to do with . 506.63 507.66 526.76 531.63 533.5 534.46 535.99 538.63 540.3 541.41 544.73 552.79 554.35 556.22 559.63 ES2009b D FEE036 3 560.205 605.84 560.205 605.81 And um we also found out that uh fifty percent of our people , their the worst thing about a remote is how often they lose it . And then they can't find it in the room . So I think what we were talking about with a pager or something , will really come into play with a lot of these people . Um there's also a survey about what they liked about remotes , and pretty much they all think they're hideous and not very useful , and the younger demographics are all really interested in voice recognition options . I don't know if that's something we're ready to look into technically , that's up to the design people , but it is s something worth thinking about , especially since the younger demographic's obviously the one that's gonna keep growing , so if that's the direction we're headed in it's something to think about . Um but basically it really is the primary functions and getting it to look nice , which are 563.2 565.9 567.63 571.24 574.93 578.4 582.51 587.94 590.18 591.71 593.52 597.33 600.87 605.26 ES2009b D FEE036 3 606.976 611.17 607.0 611.1 the standards . So it's a good start for us . 608.48 611.1 ES2009b A MEE033 0 610.72 624.496 610.72 624.4 That's great . Thank you Sarah . Right . So um yep I'll just uh switch that back here . I'll finish up with just a bit of discussion plan on for the next phase . 612.46 614.91 615.66 619.52 624.4 ES2009b D FEE036 3 615.218 616.471 615.4 616.18 Need to unplug this ? 616.18 ES2009b D FEE036 3 617.599 618.304 617.75 618.27 Need it back . 618.27 ES2009b D FEE036 3 620.539 621.702 620.91 621.57 There you go . 621.57 ES2009b A MEE033 0 634.288 687.104 634.82 687.104 Right so I think we've covered most of these important questions through this um through you guys's presentations um we've got uh y the Industrial Designer suggests uh or pretty much emphatically suggested that we need to go with plastic . Um Sarah , she's recommended that we go for simpler functions , so fewer functions um but we need to decide who are we selling this to , you s your stats suggested that seventy five percent of people under thirty five wanted , thought about voice control , um so do we wanna go for that , or do we want to go for an older demographic , and my thought is um we've got w if we're gonna go for a sleek look I mean we are putting the fashion in electronics um . 650.89 652.79 657.3 661.26 666.73 668.61 672.06 674.09 687.02 ES2009b D FEE036 3 666.288 666.736 666.31 666.7 Oh right . 666.7 ES2009b D FEE036 3 683.35 689.696 683.35 689.66 We're not catering to the pensioners of the world I don't think so . 689.66 ES2009b A MEE033 0 688.4 695.824 688.42 695.76 Yes . So maybe this we should look into this younger demographic . Um . So 689.65 693.12 695.03 ES2009b D FEE036 3 692.984 693.696 693.14 693.48 Right . 693.48 ES2009b A MEE033 0 698.65 717.344 698.65 717.25 uh we need to wonder ah h about how we make it better and smaller and faster um think we're constrained to plastics very well , we've got this idea , Ron was saying we need to think about uh revolutionising the way it's looking um , which might be easier given that we're going for simpler function and that we're only going for a telly . 707.05 708.1 713.6 717.25 ES2009b D FEE036 3 712.036 712.809 712.32 712.55 Right . 712.55 ES2009b D FEE036 3 715.951 716.549 716.2 716.41 Uh . 716.41 ES2009b A MEE033 0 717.966 720.832 717.99 720.69 Um so um . 720.69 ES2009b A MEE033 0 722.256 740.688 722.28 740.65 How th this voice operation thing is I think is a good idea um assuming that it's doable , um at least for the basic controls , maybe we can balance it that way , you know we can see . Okay you can't say record alias tonight at seven P_M_ but we might be able to say um volume up . 729.46 731.14 732.64 733.96 740.65 ES2009b D FEE036 3 731.266 732.221 731.69 732.05 Right . 732.05 ES2009b B MEE034 1 732.528 733.424 732.7 733.12 Mm . 733.12 ES2009b D FEE036 3 741.616 741.952 741.64 741.92 Yeah . 741.92 ES2009b B MEE034 1 742.384 751.328 742.54 750.59 Right . I think it would be possible to uh combine the locator device and the voice recognition technology . 743.68 750.59 ES2009b A MEE033 0 751.28 751.776 751.32 751.74 Mm . 751.74 ES2009b D FEE036 3 751.488 754.208 751.488 754.17 Oh . That could work . I like that . 752.47 753.69 754.17 ES2009b B MEE034 1 754.413 760.128 754.45 760.02 With a simple command like locate . And then it could start to beep and 756.88 ES2009b D FEE036 3 756.672 758.272 756.69 758.22 Yeah . Something very basic . 757.35 758.22 ES2009b D FEE036 3 759.379 759.969 759.48 759.8 Right . 759.8 ES2009b A MEE033 0 760.544 762.112 760.544 762.04 Right . 762.04 ES2009b B MEE034 1 761.168 762.352 761.26 762.23 therefore be found . 762.23 ES2009b C MEE035 2 762.163 763.482 762.33 762.8 Sounds good . 762.8 ES2009b D FEE036 3 762.304 764.496 762.34 764.46 Is that only gonna be within our two hundred foot range then ? 764.46 ES2009b B MEE034 1 764.56 766.8 764.68 766.73 Oh yeah I think that's very doable . 766.73 ES2009b D FEE036 3 765.345 766.063 765.51 765.92 Okay . 765.92 ES2009b A MEE033 0 766.864 776.864 766.89 776.83 The difficulty wh would be in um I think like i you couldn't speak into the remote that you're trying to find . 'Kay you have something that picks up 775.36 ES2009b B MEE034 1 778.144 778.864 778.3 778.83 Mm . 778.83 ES2009b A MEE033 0 778.493 780.096 778.65 780.096 a voice from far away - ES2009b D FEE036 3 778.51 779.46 778.88 779.29 Yeah . 779.29 ES2009b B MEE034 1 780.288 781.504 780.31 781.28 It's a good point . 781.28 ES2009b A MEE033 0 780.915 789.2 781.06 789.12 If it's hidden under the couch but then again you have this wee this wee thing you know that's just a little chip or whatever that has the page button , maybe that could be voice activated too . 787.59 789.12 ES2009b C MEE035 2 789.136 794.048 789.32 794.01 A little sticky pad to stick on top of your uh television . And you just say something to into that and it 792.4 ES2009b D FEE036 3 789.511 789.872 789.62 789.84 Mm . 789.84 ES2009b D FEE036 3 792.413 792.848 792.49 792.81 Yeah . 792.81 ES2009b A MEE033 0 794.352 794.844 794.37 794.81 Yeah . 794.81 ES2009b B MEE034 1 794.322 795.12 794.63 795.06 Yeah . 795.06 ES2009b C MEE035 2 795.446 796.192 795.47 796.192 finds your - ES2009b D FEE036 3 795.621 796.247 795.72 796.247 K - ES2009b A MEE033 0 796.352 805.136 796.84 805.05 Or an isolated magnet or something like , or you know something that wouldn't interfere I don't know that'd be the technical thing but yeah I like that , I like that , the voice recognition for the paging system . 798.85 802.72 803.29 805.05 ES2009b D FEE036 3 800.8 801.12 800.82 801.09 Yeah . 801.09 ES2009b C MEE035 2 805.072 830.624 805.072 830.56 The other thing is we might be able to handle the simplicity of a remote control and kind of put the more complicated things into a voice control . So it could be sold to both the younger market and the older market . And the younger market could use kind of the voi voice control method and the older market might might k exactly and might consider the older market could use the simpler design with the traditional buttons and what not . 814.83 817.99 830.56 ES2009b D FEE036 3 817.039 817.661 817.17 817.63 True . 817.63 ES2009b D FEE036 3 822.624 824.983 822.66 824.81 Making it just an option ? Yeah . 824.44 824.81 ES2009b B MEE034 1 823.888 824.688 823.97 824.65 Mm . 824.65 ES2009b D FEE036 3 828.116 828.587 828.25 828.53 Right . 828.53 ES2009b A MEE033 0 830.566 831.977 830.566 831.82 Yeah . 831.82 ES2009b B MEE034 1 831.12 832.528 831.2 832.528 I was thinking uh - ES2009b D FEE036 3 831.724 834.335 831.81 834.28 Are we still thinking about this screen sorry . Go ahead . 833.85 834.28 ES2009b B MEE034 1 833.792 834.528 833.81 834.37 Oh go ahead . 834.37 ES2009b D FEE036 3 834.704 842.295 834.76 842.25 The uh if we're gonna do this touch pad screen thing , it would be still , do we know if that's an option technically right now to that ? Okay . 837.35 838.07 841.67 842.25 ES2009b A MEE033 0 837.535 838.136 837.61 838.08 Mm-hmm . 838.08 ES2009b C MEE035 2 840.016 851.12 840.36 851.09 'S definitely an option technically . I've looked into uh costs of uh touch screen methods and what not , they seem to be uh you know almost as cheap as a button method at this point . 842.16 846.37 851.09 ES2009b D FEE036 3 845.31 845.872 845.45 845.84 Okay . 845.84 ES2009b D FEE036 3 848.416 849.506 848.79 849.39 We're doing okay . 849.39 ES2009b D FEE036 3 851.28 858.08 851.3 858.05 'Cause it seems like an interesting option especially because then you could have like your primary screen just be these you know four or five basic functions , you can have 857.61 ES2009b A MEE033 0 851.355 851.828 851.38 851.68 Okay . 851.68 ES2009b A MEE033 0 858.333 859.917 858.35 859.917 Mm . 859.57 ES2009b D FEE036 3 858.29 873.328 858.56 873.29 menu options or something to have all these other complicated voice recognition , settings , things that you're not gonna use every day and that a lot of people aren't gonna use but it is an option there for this hi-tech market that sort of re is the sleek thing we're going for . 863.21 863.96 873.29 ES2009b B MEE034 1 858.672 859.296 858.69 859.03 Yeah . 859.03 ES2009b B MEE034 1 873.808 898.112 873.83 897.95 Gotta wonder though , if we're adding so much technology to this one remote , are we still gonna be able to meet out twelve pou our twelve fifty Euro you know goal for selling these things . It seems like , we're not gonna be able to handle all these functions with just one microchip . The microchip is probably the most expensive part of the the whole mechanism . So it's just something to consider . 874.56 877.78 884.79 885.57 889.82 895.64 897.95 ES2009b A MEE033 0 880.53 881.156 880.57 881.04 Mm-hmm . 881.04 ES2009b D FEE036 3 880.448 881.698 880.83 881.51 True . 881.51 ES2009b D FEE036 3 882.146 883.18 882.32 883.15 Worth looking into . 883.15 ES2009b A MEE033 0 884.208 885.372 884.23 885.2 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 884.98 885.2 ES2009b D FEE036 3 884.478 885.452 884.85 885.17 Yeah . 885.17 ES2009b D FEE036 3 891.521 892.403 891.92 892.28 True . 892.28 ES2009b A MEE033 0 891.916 892.592 892.02 892.51 Okay . 892.51 ES2009b D FEE036 3 894.8 895.088 894.84 895.05 Yeah . 895.05 ES2009b A MEE033 0 895.755 896.285 895.78 896.0 Okay . 896.0 ES2009b A MEE033 0 897.088 939.216 897.17 939.17 Absolutely . Mm 'kay um well yeah I guess we'll cross that bridge um in a la slightly later stages of development um but yeah I know , that's perfectly viable question . Mm 'kay um so I'm seeing that we're gonna just basically focus on this young demographic group , aim it at them , but then in a sense that its bells and whistles are available for anybody who wants them but basically we'll make a sleek simple functioned um uh remote control . Um I think this voice recognition thing is a we've got a market for it uh I don't think there's too many , we'd more or less be cornering the market on it as well , we don't have many um . 898.95 906.31 909.33 915.3 916.5 929.73 935.03 937.26 939.17 ES2009b D FEE036 3 924.448 924.864 924.48 924.83 Mm-hmm . 924.83 ES2009b D FEE036 3 934.144 934.652 934.17 934.38 Mm . 934.38 ES2009b D FEE036 3 939.2 939.666 939.22 939.52 Yeah . 939.52 ES2009b A MEE033 0 941.68 945.035 941.68 944.58 I appear to have lost my microphone . Mm . 944.28 944.58 ES2009b A MEE033 0 947.408 963.824 947.408 963.79 Right um we don't have many people or there's not very many competitors out there that do that so cool . Um right . I guess we've c we've touched on most of this . The idea of a paging function , a touch screen , and face plates . Um . 954.12 958.19 960.22 961.51 962.02 963.18 963.79 ES2009b A MEE033 0 965.44 971.6 965.46 971.52 The thing with I see would there not be a we'd have to maybe sacrifice the face plates for a touch screen ? 971.52 ES2009b C MEE035 2 971.885 989.385 971.885 988.74 Um I'm not sure that's sincerely correct , I think if you kind of take the example of a mobile phone that uh trying to pass a portion of the device is not interchangeable whereas the surrounding portions are interchangeable . We could have the casing , the the face plates . 975.13 986.0 987.41 988.74 ES2009b A MEE033 0 975.376 975.712 975.4 975.68 Okay . 975.68 ES2009b D FEE036 3 984.3 986.208 984.47 986.17 Mm . Just the casing . 985.46 986.17 ES2009b A MEE033 0 985.344 985.968 985.37 985.62 Okay . 985.62 ES2009b A MEE033 0 988.688 989.168 988.71 989.1 Okay . 989.1 ES2009b B MEE034 1 989.936 1012.496 989.96 1012.496 Back to the uh the cost the material . We have to ask whether we're going to include a certain number of face plates with the package ? That's something I w for say we're including three or four face plates , it's gonna drive the cost up . And the other question is , if we do include them are we really in a position to evaluate that market ? We haven't done any tests on face plates and whether 993.32 998.99 1002.36 1004.25 1005.44 1009.31 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1000.444 1000.978 1000.46 1000.81 Mm . 1000.81 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1003.616 1004.176 1003.64 1004.11 Mm . 1004.11 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1004.576 1004.88 1004.64 1004.85 Yeah . 1004.85 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1012.416 1012.72 1012.44 1012.68 Right . 1012.68 ES2009b B MEE034 1 1013.632 1021.104 1013.73 1020.98 See if there if there's even interest out there . Off the top of my head it sounds kind of like a gimmick that wouldn't really go anywhere . 1016.43 1020.98 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1013.763 1014.421 1013.8 1014.14 Okay . 1014.14 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1015.76 1016.789 1015.78 1016.7 Okay . Right . 1016.34 1016.7 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1021.072 1033.216 1021.44 1033.216 Yeah 'cause then ha you would have to who all it's not like with cell phones like where you have a you know Nokia model X_ and then ten people make face plates for it , we'd be just our model of pho of t remote control . 1029.03 1033.1 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1021.986 1022.539 1022.17 1022.45 Mm . 1022.45 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1029.36 1029.727 1029.38 1029.65 Right . 1029.65 ES2009b B MEE034 1 1029.472 1029.92 1029.49 1029.87 Yeah . 1029.87 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1032.8 1039.984 1032.82 1039.984 Well in the publicity of a face plate on a phone is you have it out and around , it is sort of emblematic whereas you're just sit at home , so unless somebody comes over to watch T_V_ 1035.74 1038.22 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1037.328 1037.648 1037.37 1037.59 Mm-hmm . 1037.59 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1038.784 1039.488 1038.8 1039.45 Mm . Mm-hmm . 1039.04 1039.45 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1040.023 1040.832 1040.023 1040.77 Yeah . 1040.77 ES2009b C MEE035 2 1040.928 1050.736 1040.95 1050.736 Well hopefully some people have people coming t over to w to hang out at your house and most people have their televisions in the living room . Uh . 1047.43 1050.28 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1043.344 1045.578 1043.36 1045.54 True . True . True . 1044.31 1045.21 1045.54 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1047.232 1075.056 1047.57 1074.99 Alright well we can we can discuss that one further when we think about um whether th when we do costs and so forth , um . True , if plastic is dead cheap and if we're making the whole thing out of plastic anyway um yeah we'll cross that bridge later um but yeah we will have to evaluate what's most important . Um I think we've had a bit of discussion already on this thing , n s there any other questions comments that came up in these presentations ? 1055.85 1056.99 1057.25 1068.55 1071.42 1074.99 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1048.787 1049.701 1048.88 1049.31 Yeah . 1049.31 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1051.233 1052.119 1051.5 1051.85 Oh yeah . 1051.85 ES2009b C MEE035 2 1055.136 1055.408 1055.16 1055.37 Sure . 1055.37 ES2009b C MEE035 2 1075.745 1080.08 1075.76 1080.08 Well have we confirmed that we're gonna go ahead with a uh touch screen um - ES2009b A MEE033 0 1080.544 1084.448 1080.62 1084.448 Yeah yeah okay . Um 1083.09 ES2009b C MEE035 2 1081.083 1081.792 1081.1 1081.71 Interface ? 1081.71 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1089.121 1096.56 1089.17 1096.51 Yeah I think that would be best . Let's based on what sh on what you guys have all said to me let's go for a plastic 1090.34 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1097.616 1111.248 1097.64 1111.248 built or uh b plastic cased 'cause tha tha that's easy on the cost , try to look for some kind of high quality recycled plastic as you recommended and I think that's a great idea . With a touch screen for the basic functions . Um 1101.73 1106.83 1110.43 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1114.112 1128.733 1114.13 1128.733 And we'll yeah tha let's provisionally let's go for a touch screen one with several submenus um for possible extra stuff that one basically put the channel and the on and off switch on the touch screen . Um do we have 1125.44 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1129.968 1134.832 1130.03 1134.8 Mm wait a minute it occurs to me that if we have a touch screen people are going to have to recharge their remote controls . 1134.8 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1137.44 1143.184 1137.44 1143.07 Yet at the same time that might help for this whole complaint of it being lost . 1143.07 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1138.496 1139.135 1138.59 1139.08 True . 1139.08 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1144.432 1145.696 1144.45 1145.66 'Cause it would have a docking base ? 1145.66 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1145.712 1151.52 1145.74 1150.4 Mm-hmm . But then again that costs as well . Hmm . 1146.89 1149.73 1150.4 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1148.928 1149.616 1148.95 1149.58 Yeah . 1149.58 ES2009b C MEE035 2 1151.44 1155.152 1151.46 1155.08 So these new lithium batteries they last twenty years even with the touch screen ? 1155.08 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1155.488 1156.806 1155.51 1156.77 Do they ? Okay . 1156.45 1156.77 ES2009b C MEE035 2 1156.352 1157.248 1156.37 1157.2 Those new ones . 1157.2 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1157.168 1158.318 1157.22 1158.14 Can we afford that ? 1158.14 ES2009b B MEE034 1 1157.68 1159.696 1157.7 1159.64 Can we afford to include one of those ? 1159.64 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1160.32 1165.833 1160.34 1165.833 And will somebody buy it if we don't ? 1165.77 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1162.111 1173.92 1162.21 1173.88 Well I I don't think yeah I can't see anybody buying a lap a remote control that they have to plug in so we'd have to see some kind of new battery technology . Okay so let's go with a um touch screen 1169.8 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1168.768 1169.352 1168.85 1169.32 Right . 1169.32 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1175.824 1180.896 1175.824 1180.896 with um some kind of you know with with some kind of cutting edge battery technology - ES2009b D FEE036 3 1182.08 1185.521 1182.17 1185.521 For twelve Euros ? 1185.32 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1183.76 1213.136 1183.78 1213.01 Yeah well hey you know well it's it's worth looking into , if not we can always default to just doing a a well presented plastic simple you know so you know . Well yeah I mean you can put the we could I I dunno I mean I suppose we could put the the basics on the centre easiest you know , you know people know the channel and volume function make them large and easy to get at and then the the other the other bits and bobs you know go through menu um w we'll do the aesthetics . Okay so we'll touch screen and the battery , focus on um uh presentation . 1186.1 1191.84 1198.2 1206.92 1209.42 1213.01 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1186.575 1187.152 1186.67 1187.12 It is . 1187.12 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1188.159 1188.751 1188.24 1188.65 Fair enough . 1188.65 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1190.977 1191.917 1191.08 1191.67 The basics . 1191.67 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1203.387 1203.921 1203.44 1203.72 Mm . 1203.72 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1209.047 1209.472 1209.2 1209.44 'Kay . 1209.44 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1214.922 1228.832 1214.96 1228.68 Um it's th uh with this voice recognition option as well um just as for the simple functions the um the on off , channels , volume , um 1225.53 1226.46 1227.71 ES2009b B MEE034 1 1226.896 1227.616 1226.98 1227.53 Right . 1227.53 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1230.976 1244.227 1231.13 1244.19 and um a small paging function . Even if you can't do voice recognition for the paging you know just some kind of simple button that's just a I guess another infrared signal to the remote control and while to emit some kind of paging . Just a beep . 1234.89 1243.71 1244.19 ES2009b B MEE034 1 1243.52 1244.656 1243.87 1244.44 Okay . 1244.44 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1246.832 1254.752 1247.59 1254.72 Um right so any comments ? Thoughts before we break into go into the next round of individual work on this . 1250.53 1254.72 ES2009b B MEE034 1 1255.344 1270.848 1255.84 1270.69 Since we're doing uh touch screen , do we wanna look into the possibility of people being able to input different types of skins for the you know the actual interface part of it and things like that ? Or is it just gonna be one touch screen for everybody . 1257.88 1267.03 1270.69 ES2009b C MEE035 2 1270.876 1271.616 1271.01 1271.58 Be interesting . 1271.58 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1271.968 1272.592 1272.0 1272.56 Mm . 1272.56 ES2009b B MEE034 1 1272.512 1278.48 1272.6 1278.45 What what would be on that touch screen ? 'Cause you said earlier that we have to think about company colours and um 1273.92 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1278.749 1285.152 1278.749 1285.12 And oh . Yeah the the fashion do . Yeah . 1281.86 1284.78 1285.12 ES2009b B MEE034 1 1279.648 1283.072 1279.67 1282.92 logo or something or motto , I can't remember exactly what you said . 1281.32 1282.92 ES2009b C MEE035 2 1282.864 1285.264 1282.88 1285.14 We put fashion into electronics . 1285.14 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1288.362 1304.704 1288.45 1304.65 W it's my understanding that if you were going to do a skin you'd need to have some way for people to download or import skins into the remote control . Yeah I think perhaps good idea but yeah I think that that one m might just be um 1299.08 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1295.838 1299.056 1296.3 1299.056 Right , and then you're dealing with ports and cords and 1296.56 ES2009b B MEE034 1 1300.624 1301.552 1300.7 1301.48 'S too much . 1301.48 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1301.52 1302.382 1301.68 1302.11 Yeah . 1302.11 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1306.144 1316.72 1306.16 1316.72 and they just yeah I think that one might just be out of the range for this particular a P_D_A_ would they would makes a lot of sense for a P_D_A_ 'cause you're gonna be using it to connect up to things anyway but - ES2009b D FEE036 3 1309.024 1309.732 1309.04 1309.7 For now . 1309.7 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1318.768 1319.712 1318.79 1319.66 I dunno , what do you guys think ? 1318.95 1319.66 ES2009b B MEE034 1 1322.876 1329.088 1323.05 1329.04 Think we just need to come up with a nice black and red interface on the touch screen . That'd be okay . 1327.46 1329.04 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1324.874 1326.195 1325.21 1326.09 Yeah . Nice . 1325.62 1326.09 ES2009b C MEE035 2 1328.256 1336.168 1328.28 1335.97 Yeah . Uh I I'm I'm in agreement with that , I'm wondering how we're gonna get uh we put fashion into electronics onto this device . 1328.64 1330.63 1335.97 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1330.557 1331.278 1330.88 1331.11 Um . 1331.11 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1334.528 1344.816 1334.55 1344.816 Well but if we're gonna use a touch screen where it's gonna come on like on your cell phone it'll have your your carrier provider name come up first like while it's loading and then it goes away , perhaps it could be like a temporary 1343.2 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1338.427 1339.033 1338.55 1338.94 Hmm . 1338.94 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1345.28 1346.512 1345.64 1346.15 Mm . 1346.15 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1346.432 1352.235 1346.45 1352.12 Comes on every time you turn it on and then that's it 'cause it is a bit much to have it like engraved on the back or something I think . 1352.12 ES2009b B MEE034 1 1350.0 1352.05 1350.03 1351.94 Mm . True . 1351.35 1351.94 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1351.04 1352.842 1351.06 1352.75 Yeah . Yeah . 1352.31 1352.75 ES2009b C MEE035 2 1351.872 1358.441 1351.872 1358.441 I'm hoping for a subliminal maybe half a millisecond as it turns on . 1358.33 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1354.508 1354.912 1354.77 1354.88 Yeah . 1354.88 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1356.124 1358.64 1356.19 1358.64 Y - ES2009b A MEE033 0 1357.52 1358.048 1357.54 1358.01 Yeah . 1358.01 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1359.056 1362.656 1359.08 1362.59 Yeah I know I d it seems like it would suffice to have just the R_R_ on there . 1362.59 ES2009b C MEE035 2 1362.003 1362.742 1362.36 1362.56 Mm-hmm . 1362.56 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1363.392 1364.64 1363.45 1364.61 Yeah you would think . But . 1364.31 1364.61 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1363.499 1364.092 1363.52 1363.95 Jus - ES2009b A MEE033 0 1364.72 1367.099 1364.74 1366.48 But apparently not . So . 1366.17 1366.48 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1365.839 1367.214 1365.92 1367.1 If it comes from above . 1367.1 ES2009b B MEE034 1 1365.76 1374.384 1366.08 1373.32 People aren't gonna want their remote to boot up and to see flashing things come on . They just want it to be on and ready to go . 1370.93 1373.32 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1373.216 1373.508 1373.24 1373.47 Yeah . 1373.47 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1373.328 1373.92 1373.35 1373.85 Yeah . 1373.85 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1375.168 1386.991 1375.168 1386.91 Well fair enough . Um and yeah that would help the battery life too and if it the remote they do have to press a button for the remote to turn on . But then again who wants to turn on a remote control . Kind of if i 1376.89 1383.34 1386.06 ES2009b C MEE035 2 1385.92 1390.976 1385.95 1390.93 Well all you have to do is touch the screen and it automatically goes on . Yep . Goes into a sleep mode . 1389.05 1389.73 1390.93 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1387.541 1388.052 1387.71 1387.96 Mm . 1387.96 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1388.16 1398.528 1388.19 1398.43 Oh to wake up okay or go into like a dormant mode . Okay . Oh yeah I like that I like the idea of um putting the logo in the boot up screen , nice . Um . 1391.1 1392.18 1396.4 1397.53 1398.43 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1402.8 1405.984 1402.82 1405.45 Um cool so any last things before we break ? 1405.45 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1408.256 1409.376 1408.33 1409.33 Alright . Fair enough . 1408.64 1409.33 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1410.373 1411.123 1410.41 1410.94 We're good ? 1410.94 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1410.37 1411.328 1410.45 1411.11 Sounds good . 1411.11 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1412.496 1420.048 1412.6 1420.01 I'm gonna save th a copy of this in case you guys need any reminders . I'm gonna save a copy of this and the minutes that I'll do it in a second and put them in the shared folder for later reference . 1415.33 1420.01 ES2009b C MEE035 2 1420.528 1422.704 1420.56 1422.63 I've put my files in the shared folder as well . 1422.63 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1422.8 1423.28 1422.82 1423.2 Brilliant . 1423.2 ES2009b D FEE036 3 1423.214 1424.122 1423.42 1423.73 Yeah . 1423.73 ES2009b A MEE033 0 1428.089 1429.782 1428.089 1429.64 That's fab guys . Cool . 1429.26 1429.64 ES2009c D FEE036 3 6.734 8.24 6.78 8.09 That went well , thank you . 7.81 8.09 ES2009c B MEE034 1 11.923 15.056 11.923 14.77 'Kay . 14.77 ES2009c A MEE033 0 11.92 12.592 11.94 12.56 That's great . 12.56 ES2009c D FEE036 3 13.648 14.167 13.67 14.09 Perfect . 14.09 ES2009c A MEE033 0 14.336 17.763 14.49 17.59 Alright , let me just PowerPoint this up . 15.39 17.59 ES2009c A MEE033 0 30.962 49.401 31.16 49.33 Right so um this meeting will be about the conceptual design , don't ask me s precisely what conceptual design is , it's just something important that we need to do . Um , think of it 's kind of uh turning the abstract into slightly more concrete . In this meeting ideally we'll come to some final decisions on what we're gonna do for the prototype . 35.27 37.66 40.14 41.18 44.82 49.33 ES2009c A MEE033 0 50.112 65.431 50.13 65.4 Um . Right so um , apologies for the last meeting , it was brought to my attention that I did not make the roles clear enough , um , so I will attempt to do so more accurately in this particular meeting . Um , fair enough , thanks for the input , 's always good . Um . 51.32 52.84 54.04 57.18 57.59 61.36 62.45 63.07 63.76 64.89 65.4 ES2009c A MEE033 0 66.742 100.624 67.23 100.58 So , basically all we're gonna do is have some presentations again much like last time , um , and gonna go through you , uh whoever wants to go first is f fine by me um and we'll collate what we know about um what we discussed in the last meeting , possible directions . And then we'll make some more decisions on um basic uh firm up our idea on how we want this remote control to look and work . So , perfect . So , without th further ado , whoever wants to go first is free to . Alright Nathan , take it away . 67.64 71.31 71.67 73.0 80.93 82.61 91.6 93.11 93.92 94.25 96.67 99.4 100.14 100.58 ES2009c B MEE034 1 98.72 99.418 98.74 99.38 I'll go first . 99.38 ES2009c D FEE036 3 99.264 99.839 99.28 99.71 Go ahead . 99.71 ES2009c A MEE033 0 107.831 111.952 108.03 111.82 It is Nathan right ? I'm not calling you the wrong name over and over again ? Good . 108.74 111.56 111.82 ES2009c B MEE034 1 109.856 113.888 109.92 113.83 No Nathan's fine . It's either Nathan or participant two . 111.84 113.83 ES2009c C MEE035 2 115.394 119.104 115.394 119.104 Mister participant two that is . 118.79 ES2009c B MEE034 1 116.688 117.472 116.71 117.21 Uh . 117.21 ES2009c D FEE036 3 118.15 118.848 118.24 118.67 Nice . 118.67 ES2009c B MEE034 1 118.48 138.064 119.15 137.9 Okay . Um , basically what I'm gonna have to talk to you about today is um component design and it's been brought to my attention that we may be somewhat limited as to what we can do because of what our manufacturer offers , so Basically what I'm gonna be doing is talking to you about that . 122.13 122.84 134.11 137.9 ES2009c A MEE033 0 119.984 120.768 120.0 120.57 Nice . 120.57 ES2009c A MEE033 0 134.272 134.864 134.29 134.77 Mm . 134.77 ES2009c B MEE034 1 139.136 148.066 139.16 147.95 Um , components of a remote control , okay . We've already kind of gone over this but we're gonna have to get into more detail and probably have to reach some conclusions some time soon . 139.84 141.55 142.04 147.95 ES2009c B MEE034 1 148.79 181.192 148.9 181.11 Energy source , um , our manufacturer offers a variety of energy sources , your standard battery , solar cells . Our manufacturer didn't say anything about lithium so we might have to look if we do go that route , we might have to look elsewhere . Um , and also there's a kinetic energy possibility . Basically , it's like a um the idea of moving the remote would create enough energy to keep it running . So that's one possibility but I don't know whether that would be powerful enough to illuminate a touch screen . So we'll have to look into that . 150.03 150.86 154.19 155.94 157.37 161.3 163.75 164.09 167.08 167.59 173.4 180.03 181.11 ES2009c A MEE033 0 179.28 179.856 179.47 179.8 Hmm . 179.8 ES2009c D FEE036 3 179.84 180.291 179.87 180.26 Mm . 180.26 ES2009c B MEE034 1 181.989 199.776 182.01 199.47 Um , the case , we have a few options , plastic , rubber or wood . Um and then as far as the way it's shaped , we can do standard boring flat , which we probably don't wanna do , curved or very sexy double curved . 183.73 184.86 186.77 187.83 189.42 193.03 195.39 196.89 199.47 ES2009c A MEE033 0 199.696 201.696 199.72 201.28 What kind of th thickness are we looking at ? 201.28 ES2009c B MEE034 1 201.616 209.6 201.64 209.53 Um , I imagine that we could specify . Um , I don't see any reason to go outside of the convention of 202.83 204.93 206.31 ES2009c B MEE034 1 210.656 212.944 210.68 212.89 three or four millimetres . Yeah . 212.73 212.89 ES2009c A MEE033 0 212.192 213.232 212.21 213.2 Okay , brilliant . 212.88 213.2 ES2009c B MEE034 1 214.048 243.344 214.07 243.31 Um , the buttons , there are multiple scroll buttons available from our manufacturer , but to use those we'd have to use more chips , um and that would cost us more . And if we do go with the rubber doubled curved case um we'll have to use rubber push buttons because the other buttons aren't compatible with that . Um and just a little note there , touch screen equals many chips which equals many Euro . 215.21 216.8 219.74 224.12 227.04 236.86 239.42 243.31 ES2009c A MEE033 0 235.6 235.904 235.62 235.8 Hmm . 235.8 ES2009c D FEE036 3 236.4 236.784 236.42 236.74 Right . 236.74 ES2009c D FEE036 3 243.607 244.958 243.607 244.92 Right . Nice . 244.49 244.92 ES2009c B MEE034 1 245.76 267.651 245.78 267.49 Um , one thing that I noticed was that most remotes operate on a infrare on the infrared part of the spectrum . So you notice when you push a button on a remote you can't see anything coming out of it but in fact there is light coming out of the remote and you know the television can detect that . And if you were to record if you were to make a video recording you could actually see the light . 247.82 254.94 263.84 267.49 ES2009c B MEE034 1 268.301 285.432 268.54 285.37 Uh one thing that I thought might be interesting was to use part use visible light coming out of the remote , just kind of as a fun gimmick . So you could actually see something coming out of the remote when you pushed it . Course it'd have to be a part of the spectrum that wouldn't damage the human eye or anything like that . 275.15 277.8 281.03 285.37 ES2009c A MEE033 0 277.68 278.307 277.79 278.01 Hmm . 278.01 ES2009c D FEE036 3 277.681 278.815 277.94 278.7 Interesting . 278.7 ES2009c A MEE033 0 284.768 289.344 284.768 289.344 M Maybe is there an option that we can have that off or on so a person can select like - ES2009c D FEE036 3 284.825 285.986 284.85 285.85 Mm . Good call . 285.46 285.85 ES2009c D FEE036 3 289.775 290.595 289.86 290.34 Choose it . 290.34 ES2009c B MEE034 1 289.488 295.84 290.03 295.84 Yeah . I am sure that we could do that . Um , of course 291.23 293.37 295.14 ES2009c A MEE033 0 295.264 296.72 295.28 296.67 Yeah I like the idea , it's a good idea . 295.98 296.67 ES2009c B MEE034 1 296.88 298.928 296.95 298.85 Yeah , just as a fun gimmick . 297.39 298.85 ES2009c A MEE033 0 298.896 299.392 298.93 299.31 Yeah . 299.31 ES2009c B MEE034 1 300.192 326.56 300.42 326.52 Just to set us apart a little bit . Um , and then on to the circuit board that we're gonna use , also known as the chip . Uh , we really don't have any way around the T_A_ one one eight three five . Um findings , okay , we're very limited by what our current manufacturers can offer , um and my question to all of you is , should we look to other manufacturies or should we just make do with what we have available ? 302.21 303.33 305.64 307.47 307.76 313.36 315.37 316.24 319.5 322.68 326.52 ES2009c C MEE035 2 327.636 329.156 327.71 328.67 Interesting question . 328.67 ES2009c B MEE034 1 328.448 329.952 328.47 329.72 'S a bit of a challenge question . 329.72 ES2009c A MEE033 0 329.224 329.583 329.24 329.41 Mm . 329.41 ES2009c D FEE036 3 329.872 334.257 329.89 334.09 Well I'd say shop around but with our time constraints , is that really a feasible option ? 332.56 334.09 ES2009c C MEE035 2 329.868 330.544 329.97 330.36 Yes . 330.36 ES2009c A MEE033 0 333.984 334.272 334.02 334.2 Mm . 334.2 ES2009c B MEE034 1 334.208 336.704 334.45 336.66 Right , that's my concern too . 335.02 336.66 ES2009c B MEE034 1 337.712 368.912 337.73 368.87 Um , if we do go the lithium battery route then we'll have to go outside our current manufacturer . My personal preference is I'll just throw my cards on the table , uh I think we should probably go the solar battery route , just to kinda keep with the environmentally friendly theme that we have going on . Uh , I like the idea of the visible light signalling , that's something to set us apart and uh I was thinking about I was thinking of ways that we could produce the remote in a variety of different case materials to suit different tastes . 338.35 343.79 346.97 350.49 355.99 356.18 358.35 368.87 ES2009c B MEE034 1 370.048 381.04 370.07 380.96 So we're not so confined by one style and say some you know , say our the one if we just go with one and it doesn't go over well then we're in a bad situation . 374.85 380.96 ES2009c D FEE036 3 374.173 374.704 374.34 374.61 Right . 374.61 ES2009c A MEE033 0 380.96 389.808 380.98 389.49 Mm . Can we do marketing piloting too ? Try to see what kind before we launch can we see how they're received ? 382.26 384.68 389.49 ES2009c D FEE036 3 381.392 381.728 381.43 381.69 Right . 381.69 ES2009c D FEE036 3 388.344 389.189 388.36 389.189 Um - ES2009c D FEE036 3 389.888 402.552 389.91 402.38 It's an option , uh but actually there's I've got some research already on like what we're looking at and trends in casing right now which actually might even come into play beforehand , it may help us decide for now . Temporarily anyway . 391.14 399.93 401.66 402.38 ES2009c A MEE033 0 394.736 397.92 395.2 397.31 Okay . Okay . 396.99 397.31 ES2009c A MEE033 0 399.76 406.768 399.78 406.59 Okay , perfect . Great , thank you very much Nathan . That's perfect , so I guess that makes sense for you to take it from here . 399.99 401.43 401.64 402.7 403.59 406.59 ES2009c B MEE034 1 401.968 403.632 402.17 403.23 Oh yeah , you're welcome . 402.79 403.23 ES2009c D FEE036 3 404.676 410.672 404.676 410.672 I guess so , 'cause I found some interesting things . 407.09 410.32 ES2009c C MEE035 2 411.04 414.069 411.04 414.069 Did you ? 413.59 ES2009c D FEE036 3 411.412 417.728 411.67 417.67 You waiting for me ? I know , what a teaser ain't it . Um . Right . 413.8 414.61 416.23 417.33 417.67 ES2009c A MEE033 0 412.064 414.464 412.21 414.0 Fascinating , compelling even . 412.86 414.0 ES2009c D FEE036 3 420.176 422.244 420.2 422.19 So current market trends . 422.19 ES2009c D FEE036 3 423.216 461.781 423.24 461.63 Screen . Um , basically I was looking at what's going on in the remote control market right now and what's going on in other design fields , to see sort of what's what's trendy , what's new , what's happening . Um , remote control right now basically everybody says they want newer , fancier , more exciting they're sick of this boring , normal , functional , um that we need innovative design options and there needs to be an easy user interface . Um the challenge is that current trends right now , across the board in fashion , in furniture , in technology , is a very organic fruit and vegetable kind of thing . 424.7 425.6 431.19 433.0 433.52 434.65 435.41 438.37 439.63 442.34 442.88 443.69 449.99 453.46 455.09 456.08 457.98 461.63 ES2009c D FEE036 3 462.112 474.928 462.13 474.74 Now I'm not saying we should have , you know , tomato shaped remote controls or anything , but I think it is possible maybe to use um natural colours , like if wood is an option , that whole organic , sleek , clean , 463.43 463.84 466.28 470.94 472.28 473.63 474.15 474.74 ES2009c B MEE034 1 471.92 472.56 471.96 472.52 Mm . 472.52 ES2009c D FEE036 3 476.08 494.607 476.13 494.52 v line thing may be something we can look into . Different skin options , or if we can't afford this touch plate thing , or touch face screen interface um , maybe having the b images be specific , like you could choose your menu bullets to be 479.31 480.45 483.24 487.65 491.7 ES2009c A MEE033 0 495.162 500.132 495.162 500.132 Tomatoes . 499.63 ES2009c D FEE036 3 495.775 515.824 495.87 515.74 a different shape or okay , not the example I would choose , but you know what I mean to t sort of and th apparently the feel of the next couple of years is spongy , uh not something I I've come up with a though if we can get around to getting piloting , I thought maybe a casing option like uh 498.47 499.91 507.33 513.26 ES2009c B MEE034 1 507.18 509.232 507.22 509.232 Mm . 508.89 ES2009c C MEE035 2 507.795 510.32 507.795 510.32 I like it , I like it . 509.19 510.26 ES2009c D FEE036 3 517.488 524.656 517.57 524.656 not like a skin , but like a holder almost if you could do like um , leather options or wood options or something 518.69 522.17 ES2009c B MEE034 1 520.224 520.848 520.26 520.81 Hmm . 520.81 ES2009c B MEE034 1 524.592 533.936 524.61 533.9 I should have mentioned this um . As far as the rubber that we can use we can use a rubber as part of the case , it has a consistency of those stress balls . 526.6 531.49 533.9 ES2009c D FEE036 3 528.576 529.104 528.65 529.07 Mm-hmm . 529.07 ES2009c C MEE035 2 533.856 534.512 533.96 534.45 Yes . 534.45 ES2009c D FEE036 3 534.16 536.72 534.18 536.69 Mm . Might be an interesting way to go . 535.22 536.69 ES2009c C MEE035 2 535.526 536.395 535.63 536.34 Fabulous . 536.34 ES2009c A MEE033 0 535.088 537.488 535.73 537.44 Slick , slick . 536.95 537.44 ES2009c D FEE036 3 537.968 554.528 537.99 554.49 Um , yeah so something to sit on for now . So overall I think we should stick with what we're finding , everyone's looking for easy to use , technologically innovative and this fancy new I think perhaps the double curve thing and maybe this rubber option is our best way to go for right now . 539.27 542.18 545.33 547.26 554.49 ES2009c B MEE034 1 552.48 553.184 552.5 553.09 Mm . 553.09 ES2009c D FEE036 3 554.825 556.272 554.825 556.24 Um . 556.24 ES2009c A MEE033 0 556.448 559.52 556.99 559.52 Interface , oh the interface graphics for the um 557.53 ES2009c D FEE036 3 558.325 565.376 558.325 565.33 Yeah . Um . Well I d but then if the touch screen thing isn't gonna work out for us that's really a non-issue . 560.12 561.08 565.33 ES2009c A MEE033 0 563.376 563.936 563.4 563.75 Yeah . 563.75 ES2009c B MEE034 1 566.801 577.92 566.91 577.89 I like the idea of of rubber too because it's tends to be associated with being durable , something that you can drop and it doesn't matter . 'Cause so many you go to so many houses these days and you see broken remote controls . 572.09 573.98 577.89 ES2009c A MEE033 0 572.95 573.975 573.41 573.91 Mm . 573.91 ES2009c D FEE036 3 573.467 574.127 573.6 574.05 True . 574.05 ES2009c D FEE036 3 577.92 582.26 577.96 582.18 Very true . Very true . Very much so . Um 578.93 580.11 581.58 ES2009c A MEE033 0 578.736 582.88 578.8 582.8 Yeah , it's like , yep it's ubiquitous isn't it ? 578.96 579.73 582.8 ES2009c B MEE034 1 578.928 582.425 578.95 582.31 Taped with duck tape and what have you , you wouldn't have that problem if you used rubber . 580.72 582.31 ES2009c C MEE035 2 582.112 584.48 582.13 584.32 We can have a duck tape casing . 584.32 ES2009c D FEE036 3 585.022 590.976 585.31 590.92 We could . I think that goes against the whole fancy something , a new line , but worth a shot . 585.85 588.77 589.71 590.92 ES2009c C MEE035 2 588.81 592.624 588.81 592.48 It could go with the granola crowd . 592.48 ES2009c D FEE036 3 592.719 597.531 592.74 597.22 Ah , it could be , it could be , um . Yeah that's what I know . 593.39 593.97 595.41 596.16 597.22 ES2009c A MEE033 0 596.624 601.984 598.19 601.78 Great , thanks for that Sarah . Ron ? 598.79 600.64 601.78 ES2009c D FEE036 3 599.744 600.4 599.77 600.37 No problem . 600.37 ES2009c C MEE035 2 602.24 603.024 602.4 602.91 Phew . 602.91 ES2009c C MEE035 2 614.544 625.004 614.56 624.97 Computer's adjusting . One moment please . So interme interface concept by your faithful user interface designer . 617.6 619.29 624.97 ES2009c C MEE035 2 626.08 652.639 626.26 652.53 So yur user interface , guys , is basically aspects of a computer system that we can see or hear , or otherwise uh perceive . Uh , commands and mechanisms , that basically user uses to control the operator operating system . Here's a d series of different remote controls that are out on the market today . I think we're definitely trying to get away from this kind of a look . Um , so 627.59 627.93 634.41 637.1 637.43 638.97 643.18 647.46 650.96 651.89 ES2009c A MEE033 0 650.192 650.912 650.21 650.85 Yeah . 650.85 ES2009c C MEE035 2 653.725 703.088 653.79 703.05 the following are a bunch of different uh interface uh concepts . Uh voice recognition , we we um actually have some new uh information from our research design team but uh I'll get to that in a moment . Um , so current voice recognition starts up to about eighty speech samples , um and basically you record your own verbal labels c and connect them to the remote control . Now our design team , research team , has been able to uh set up a system in which uh you can teach the remote control voice c recognition system to respond to um with standard responses . Like you could say good morning uh remote control and it'll say in a sexy female voice , Good morning Joe . Um . 658.51 659.8 669.03 669.36 673.71 678.69 680.6 681.44 694.89 701.3 702.57 703.05 ES2009c C MEE035 2 703.891 707.376 703.891 707.21 In fact we already have this for a coffee maker line - ES2009c D FEE036 3 705.511 706.064 705.74 706.03 Mm . 706.03 ES2009c A MEE033 0 707.376 713.856 707.376 713.856 Lot of single people on the um on the re on the remote control research team at the - ES2009c C MEE035 2 709.599 712.712 709.599 712.64 On the remote control right . 712.64 ES2009c D FEE036 3 711.562 714.361 711.97 714.07 Yeah . Very true , very true . 712.44 713.27 714.07 ES2009c C MEE035 2 714.128 759.737 714.15 759.67 Um , another concept is what uh Apple has come up with , the spinning wheel with uh L_C_ display like on the uh iPod which I am sure most of you know about . Um and then we have the scroll button with integrated push-button , kind of like a modern a bit bulky , a bit crazy , I don't think that's we're necessarily going for . And uh some special components , uh ideas like uh blocking , having the ability to block channels from your for your children um and uh dedicated buttons for for commonly used uh channels and even uh ideas like secured or hidden programming but uh I again if we go with touch screen I don't think that's a big issue . Um 715.02 717.96 724.28 728.79 730.72 731.75 735.45 737.49 740.58 759.24 ES2009c A MEE033 0 718.108 718.599 718.25 718.51 Mm . 718.51 ES2009c D FEE036 3 723.52 723.952 723.54 723.92 Mm . 723.92 ES2009c A MEE033 0 728.784 729.254 728.81 729.11 Mm . 729.11 ES2009c B MEE034 1 730.08 730.681 730.14 730.65 Mm . 730.65 ES2009c B MEE034 1 734.064 734.912 734.17 734.85 No . 734.85 ES2009c C MEE035 2 760.63 765.585 760.77 765.23 and uh this is kind of the uh the big daddy of remote controls here . 765.23 ES2009c D FEE036 3 763.416 763.972 763.56 763.69 Hmm . 763.69 ES2009c C MEE035 2 765.94 771.588 766.11 771.41 Uh the jumbo universal remote control is almost impossible to misplace or lose . 771.41 ES2009c A MEE033 0 770.704 773.68 770.704 773.68 Yeah , I can see . 771.65 773.54 ES2009c C MEE035 2 772.608 807.624 772.68 807.56 Um , again probably not what we're going for so I I mean my ideas here and kind of where I think we're heading is something slightly larger than a regular iPod uh with a hard cla c uh plastic casing although I think some of the suggestions we've come up with are definitely uh very good ideas . Uh changeable casings uh our design team was possibly talking about including one extra face plate with the package to kind of set the idea that you can change it and you can try changing it and kind of get used to thinking about maybe buying another one which can add value to our uh bottom line . 773.59 789.12 807.56 ES2009c D FEE036 3 782.653 783.377 782.83 783.25 Okay . 783.25 ES2009c D FEE036 3 798.534 799.572 799.01 799.46 Mm , right . 799.15 799.46 ES2009c C MEE035 2 808.389 834.069 808.52 834.0 Uh touch screen interface , um possibly having go-to buttons being uh stuck into the system so those don't move away from the screen , uh , the important ones like power , volume and jump between channels . Um , and of course our voice command system which I've talked a little bit about already and uh the use of recognisable colours and shapes to aid recognition of the features um that are around so 810.6 817.11 817.39 819.04 821.51 822.39 ES2009c A MEE033 0 825.541 826.032 825.56 826.0 Mm . 826.0 ES2009c C MEE035 2 834.699 852.528 834.87 852.44 red for power , um arrows for different volume ups and downs and channels ups and downs and what not . And uh perhaps even adding in some stupid little jokes with the voice recognition idea like perh mm for instance my toastie maker that I got from my bank 836.43 843.11 ES2009c D FEE036 3 836.896 837.296 836.92 837.26 Mm . 837.26 ES2009c C MEE035 2 853.197 854.688 853.22 854.64 has jokes when it's ready . 854.64 ES2009c D FEE036 3 854.775 856.72 854.775 856.69 Nice . 856.69 ES2009c A MEE033 0 857.888 858.288 857.92 858.25 Great . 858.25 ES2009c C MEE035 2 858.24 860.896 858.26 860.84 And uh that is about it . 860.84 ES2009c A MEE033 0 861.184 867.824 861.24 867.78 Great , wonderful Ron , cool . Lot of good ideas , good facts to have . 861.46 862.38 864.56 866.77 867.78 ES2009c D FEE036 3 867.726 868.467 867.9 868.28 Mm . 868.28 ES2009c A MEE033 0 874.512 895.84 875.46 895.65 That's what they need , it's like a little dongle it just sticks up this further so you don't have to stand up every time , just connect it , my kingdom . Right so , good to know all that stuff , thanks guys , um . Now we kind of have to come to some decisions , um , I figure we can just go down the line and all three of us can have a chat about it . Um . 876.0 879.38 881.23 882.54 884.32 885.34 885.88 887.95 889.63 891.58 894.73 895.65 ES2009c B MEE034 1 879.76 880.96 879.78 880.96 Yeah . 880.91 ES2009c D FEE036 3 879.666 880.438 880.04 880.4 Mm . 880.4 ES2009c A MEE033 0 896.896 910.848 896.97 910.81 Based on what Nathan presented as far as the um various costs and benefits um I think , I dunno , what do you guys think about the touch screen at this point ? 908.19 908.78 910.81 ES2009c D FEE036 3 913.168 918.144 913.19 918.11 I think it's our most marketable feature just because it's so new and it's something that is showing up in other places . 918.11 ES2009c A MEE033 0 918.448 919.056 918.52 919.01 'Kay . 919.01 ES2009c A MEE033 0 919.978 920.409 920.05 920.28 'Kay . 920.28 ES2009c D FEE036 3 919.972 929.04 920.11 929.01 But can we really afford it 'cause it looks like they would be , that would be a really main cost source then right ? 924.37 929.01 ES2009c A MEE033 0 928.376 929.168 928.56 929.04 Mm-hmm . 929.04 ES2009c B MEE034 1 930.224 942.4 930.4 941.94 My estimate is that in order to incorporate touch screen technology it's gonna cost us upwards of seventeen fifty Euro per remote , yeah that's just an estimate though . 940.65 941.94 ES2009c A MEE033 0 939.567 940.858 939.61 940.65 To produce each one . 940.65 ES2009c D FEE036 3 939.712 940.371 939.73 940.32 Per ? 940.32 ES2009c D FEE036 3 941.222 942.064 941.45 941.97 Piece . 941.97 ES2009c C MEE035 2 942.32 944.859 942.35 944.68 Oh you guys are always the dampers on these projects . 944.68 ES2009c D FEE036 3 944.119 945.36 944.119 945.19 I know - ES2009c A MEE033 0 945.28 946.384 945.32 946.23 Mm . 946.23 ES2009c C MEE035 2 946.32 948.464 946.34 948.464 You industrial designers . 948.25 ES2009c B MEE034 1 947.504 950.592 947.52 950.592 I know . It's fun . 949.06 950.28 ES2009c A MEE033 0 948.512 950.88 948.512 950.37 Hmm . 950.37 ES2009c D FEE036 3 950.512 955.362 950.53 955.27 And our goal was to be under twelve fifty or we have to be under twelve fifty ? Do we remember ? 954.36 955.27 ES2009c A MEE033 0 953.968 955.088 953.99 954.62 Well . 954.62 ES2009c B MEE034 1 955.008 957.296 955.03 956.55 I thought there was some flexibility with that . 956.55 ES2009c D FEE036 3 956.508 957.232 956.55 957.11 Okay . 957.11 ES2009c A MEE033 0 957.216 975.696 957.24 975.64 There is , it's just , it is a question of and how much ca o does that mean we're gonna have to increase the price to make money . Um , from twelve fifty if we d wanna get our fift uh hundred per cent profit margin um that would mean selling it from twenty five . If you multiply seventeen fifty by two that's thirty five . 957.91 958.87 965.0 965.61 972.64 975.64 ES2009c D FEE036 3 959.622 960.848 959.75 960.74 Can we justify it ? 960.74 ES2009c D FEE036 3 975.92 976.61 975.94 976.49 Right . 976.49 ES2009c A MEE033 0 976.768 978.72 976.8 978.72 So - ES2009c C MEE035 2 979.504 981.584 979.81 981.52 Where do you guys come up with these numbers ? 981.52 ES2009c B MEE034 1 982.064 986.464 982.2 986.464 That's just off the top of my head , it is pending further emails . 983.99 985.97 ES2009c A MEE033 0 985.556 991.472 985.556 991.472 From the board , um , well 988.87 989.9 ES2009c B MEE034 1 988.13 989.68 988.13 989.5 Right . 989.5 ES2009c D FEE036 3 991.472 997.792 991.53 997.792 Though I think that's what people would pay for , I mean if you're gonna pay for an expensive high class remote , you're gonna expect it to do something 993.15 996.23 ES2009c A MEE033 0 998.208 999.392 998.71 999.392 That's true , I mean 999.22 ES2009c B MEE034 1 999.264 1002.08 999.28 1002.03 It is the new it would be in a class of its own . 1002.03 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1001.632 1002.016 1001.65 1001.98 Yeah . 1001.98 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1004.453 1021.536 1004.453 1021.38 And that's to be fair the um the per cent of the market we're not going for mass any you know , mass sales anyway , we're gonna make I mean we we're not talking about selling eight zillion of these things , we just couldn't , not for twenty-five Euros , so 1012.44 1013.53 1018.48 1019.26 1020.74 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1019.222 1019.865 1019.24 1019.74 Right . 1019.74 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1022.8 1038.256 1023.45 1038.22 we could probably maybe shrink the profit margins rather than selling for twenty five , sell 'em for thirty , but that's something that we can have finance deal with . Um , I say that we provisionally go with the touch screen or wh y wh what was your thought on the matter Ron ? 1027.68 1028.89 1031.24 1032.59 1038.22 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1031.069 1031.673 1031.09 1031.5 Yeah . 1031.5 ES2009c C MEE035 2 1038.288 1051.232 1038.31 1051.232 I'm thinking that's uh definitely a good idea and I also think that we could probably come up with some sort of a cheaper uh means to to go about this kind of production , my my team in the uh on the third floor suggested that uh 1047.37 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1046.902 1048.144 1046.95 1048.09 See if we can cut some corners . 1048.09 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1051.095 1055.424 1051.2 1055.39 Right . Well and we can look into this other manufacturing option , and maybe we can get 'em somewhere else cheaper . 1051.73 1053.94 1055.39 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1055.344 1055.692 1055.36 1055.62 Mm . 1055.62 ES2009c C MEE035 2 1055.424 1055.856 1055.44 1055.82 Yeah . 1055.82 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1055.68 1062.08 1055.87 1062.08 It's true . We could initially go with what we have and if we can find them cheaper later on 1057.43 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1060.64 1061.012 1060.66 1060.96 Right . 1060.96 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1061.254 1062.832 1061.32 1062.78 It's a starting point anyway , so . 1062.51 1062.78 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1062.848 1078.128 1063.07 1078.07 No we could have a s very simple touch screen , you know , there's always the opportunity , if it's gonna be about the size of the iPod or whatever , you know , w we yeah , I guess we can play around with it a bit . Alright , let's let's say that okay so the touch screen will be our um our main selling point here . 1065.26 1065.48 1066.48 1069.25 1069.74 1070.32 1071.73 1072.03 1078.07 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1071.982 1072.513 1072.22 1072.46 Mm . 1072.46 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1080.167 1082.544 1080.167 1082.544 So - ES2009c C MEE035 2 1081.024 1086.745 1081.08 1086.745 I mean I think that we really have two main selling points , I think that our casing and the voice recognition 1083.72 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1083.584 1085.344 1083.6 1085.344 Yeah 'cause with voice recognition - ES2009c D FEE036 3 1086.368 1090.084 1086.39 1090.05 I mean really this is pretty bells and whistles kinda remote . 1090.05 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1089.289 1100.064 1089.289 1100.0 The voice rec thing , I mean , if if we're looking at bottom line , now we're looking at upping the cost to seventeen to get the touch screen on , I think we might have to drop the voice rec . 1091.46 1092.62 1094.96 1098.31 1100.0 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1089.488 1090.4 1089.92 1090.26 Yeah . 1090.26 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1099.888 1102.128 1099.91 1102.09 I think we'd have to decide between 'em definitely . 1102.09 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1102.08 1102.759 1102.11 1102.66 Yeah . 1102.66 ES2009c C MEE035 2 1102.544 1111.488 1102.56 1111.37 To be honest , we have the capa we have the design in-house , I mean we've we've come up with this , with this new voice we're using it for our coffee machines already . 1103.15 1105.76 1108.29 1111.37 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1103.141 1103.76 1103.16 1103.72 Price-wise . 1103.72 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1108.311 1110.267 1108.41 1110.22 True . We've already got it . 1109.39 1110.22 ES2009c C MEE035 2 1112.944 1120.032 1112.96 1119.96 I can pass you on that email from my uh guy in uh guy down the hall . Sounds good . 1119.33 1119.96 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1122.509 1127.824 1122.509 1127.79 Hmm . What do you think on it Nathan ? About the voice rec ? 1125.76 1126.96 1127.79 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1128.191 1142.544 1128.25 1142.27 I think if we we do both the obviously production costs are going to go way up um but it does put it into it'd become the Rolls Royce of remote controls basically . It would be very nice . 1140.27 1142.27 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1139.84 1140.573 1139.86 1140.48 Pretty much . 1140.48 ES2009c C MEE035 2 1142.576 1147.004 1142.61 1146.88 I mean we we have to r reflect back on what our market research did say . 1146.88 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1146.768 1159.44 1146.79 1159.41 Right and they said they wanted voice recognition . Course , maybe they hadn't thought of this whole touch screen option , but definitely we know the market is there for voice recognition so to say we have the technology and we're not gonna use it even though we know it'll sell 1149.37 1149.64 1152.26 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1160.624 1166.496 1160.64 1166.496 is a call I don't think I can give the highs ups . Like really I can't go in and say no we're gonna just ignore everything we know . 1162.81 1165.98 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1162.64 1163.104 1162.66 1163.0 Mm . 1163.0 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1166.736 1167.712 1166.97 1167.37 Yeah . 1167.37 ES2009c C MEE035 2 1169.44 1171.84 1169.46 1171.79 Does having both really up our costs ? 1171.79 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1173.168 1186.084 1173.168 1186.02 I can't see how it wouldn't , I mean , there's you know the old aphorism , you can have it fast , you can have it cheap or you can have it quality , pick two of three . You know , you can't you can't have all three . It's just impossible . 1174.53 1175.37 1176.75 1177.72 1180.5 1182.07 1182.35 1184.81 1186.02 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1182.688 1183.143 1182.71 1182.99 Yeah . 1182.99 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1183.472 1189.408 1183.57 1189.36 Yeah , 'cause you you just upping the number of chips that you need to deal with each different function . 1184.12 1189.36 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1188.299 1188.927 1188.46 1188.8 Yeah . 1188.8 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1191.136 1196.256 1191.16 1196.21 Well if we're gonna pick betwe e alright so we have to pick between one of the two . Um . 1195.33 1196.21 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1197.952 1205.152 1197.97 1205.1 Otherwise , yeah , we just it just becomes cost prohibitive . What which , which do we suspect we should hold o we should hold on to ? 1198.77 1199.02 1200.91 1201.74 1205.1 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1205.584 1210.704 1205.6 1210.66 Well , we already have research backing voice recognition as you know 1206.06 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1211.744 1225.52 1211.76 1225.48 fiscally solvent . But uh I I I personally would tend to another direction but if that's what's gonna sell I think that's what we need to go with and maybe we can table this touch screen for our next model . 1213.24 1225.48 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1227.947 1237.664 1228.24 1237.664 I would have to side with that , I think the voice recognition is simpler , we already have the all the technology in-house , it's ready to go , it's packaged , it's 1229.53 1232.73 1235.62 1236.3 1237.21 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1229.773 1230.624 1229.99 1230.58 'Kay . 1230.58 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1237.984 1242.384 1238.0 1242.33 What does the cost look like Ron ? Is it cheaper to do the V_R_ or to do the uh touch screen ? 1239.28 1242.33 ES2009c C MEE035 2 1242.528 1245.712 1242.528 1245.712 Well my p is - ES2009c A MEE033 0 1243.392 1244.192 1243.41 1244.14 Nathan ? 1244.14 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1244.862 1245.271 1244.99 1245.24 Mm . 1245.24 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1245.632 1269.76 1245.65 1269.68 Um , this is just off the top of my head keep in mind , but I think the voice recognition would they're both mm they're both gonna push the costs up , but um , since we already have the technology in-house for the voice recognition we're not gonna have to do as much design work and sometimes the design work is what push the costs up , if you know what I mean . 1247.34 1249.34 1257.86 1259.16 1269.03 1269.68 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1260.765 1261.199 1260.84 1261.11 Mm . 1261.11 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1264.082 1265.659 1264.082 1265.51 Right . 1265.51 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1268.512 1269.088 1268.54 1268.88 Right . 1268.88 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1269.808 1270.16 1269.86 1270.13 Right . 1270.13 ES2009c C MEE035 2 1272.224 1274.927 1272.24 1274.8 Um , I definitely have to agree with that last comment . 1272.66 1274.8 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1274.304 1279.264 1274.32 1279.23 And we're still not then we don't have to deal with this battery issue nearly as much either , we can stick with what we've already got . 1277.7 1279.23 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1277.472 1277.872 1277.5 1277.83 Mm . 1277.83 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1280.464 1281.36 1280.48 1281.32 In a lot other ways too . 1281.32 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1281.744 1290.64 1282.09 1290.5 Okay . So I'm getting alright so more or less you guys think that o o of the two of 'em , the voice recognition will be better . Okay . Yeah . 1282.44 1286.57 1288.25 1290.1 1290.5 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1288.192 1294.032 1288.27 1293.98 I think it's our lower risk option which for right now we can have it on the market sooner which is all in all our best option . 1293.98 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1294.064 1300.048 1294.15 1300.0 Okay . Sorted . We will omit the touch screen in favour of voice recognition . 1294.87 1296.99 1300.0 ES2009c C MEE035 2 1300.059 1302.752 1300.32 1302.752 It's you and me outside a little here . 1302.44 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1302.558 1308.528 1302.58 1308.49 So and when are we gonna have basic prototypes coming up next that's you guys's next step right ? 1308.49 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1308.576 1316.416 1308.6 1316.19 Yeah , well we'll we'll sic we'll sort out what it what f what else we're gonna talk about for the prototype but yeah that's our next step , it'll be a developing of prototype . 1308.93 1314.71 1316.19 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1312.72 1313.312 1312.74 1313.28 Yeah . 1313.28 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1312.818 1313.267 1312.89 1313.19 Right . 1313.19 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1314.672 1315.196 1314.78 1315.09 Okay . 1315.09 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1315.456 1321.664 1315.48 1321.62 Are we going to talk now about um the materials that we're gonna use for the case and all those things ? Okay . 1321.27 1321.62 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1318.969 1319.452 1318.99 1319.4 Yes . 1319.4 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1320.062 1320.573 1320.14 1320.54 Mm-hmm . 1320.54 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1320.24 1335.164 1320.26 1335.1 We'll just run through it yeah , yeah , um . You discussed either a lithium or a solar power . Would the solar power be enough to fuel a voice recognition ? Or this kinesthetic one , would that be enough to fuel a voice recognition remote control ? 1321.52 1321.89 1323.4 1326.49 1330.39 1331.82 1335.1 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1334.48 1345.936 1334.5 1345.89 Um , the solar power definitely would be but I think just to keep people from getting annoyed , 'cause sometimes solar power fails and there's no way round that , we should install a small backup battery . 1335.61 1340.49 1343.48 1345.89 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1346.288 1346.64 1346.33 1346.58 Mm . 1346.58 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1346.864 1347.232 1346.89 1347.2 Yeah . 1347.2 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1347.6 1351.84 1347.62 1351.84 Just to cover those moments when for whatever reason , the remote hasn't been exposed to 1350.16 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1350.688 1358.639 1350.71 1358.639 Well what of people with like the T_V_ in their basement , like what if wha we can't guarantee sunlight everywhere so having a secondary source is probably 1353.08 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1352.864 1354.297 1352.95 1354.25 Mm . Yep . 1353.94 1354.25 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1356.72 1374.032 1356.75 1374.0 It's true . Yeah , it works about the same as a solar powered calculator , and you know how those those don't really require that much light , um , but obviously a little more light than a calculator , but we're not talking about a lot of light . Doesn't have to be out taking a sunbath for a few hours a day or anything . 1358.17 1358.59 1361.51 1365.12 1365.44 1367.48 1369.39 1374.0 ES2009c C MEE035 2 1360.89 1362.0 1361.04 1361.63 Calculator . 1361.63 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1361.618 1364.784 1361.7 1364.74 Yeah . True . True . 1362.82 1364.36 1364.74 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1372.096 1373.351 1372.096 1373.26 Right . 1373.26 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1372.091 1372.602 1372.27 1372.57 Right . 1372.57 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1374.416 1374.768 1374.5 1374.73 Okay . 1374.73 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1374.688 1376.528 1374.71 1376.44 Okay . What do you think Ron ? 1375.7 1376.44 ES2009c C MEE035 2 1376.864 1404.8 1376.88 1404.77 I'm willing to agree with everything that's been said . Uh I have to say though that um another idea's come up in my head . If we're really not uh handling the remote control to a great extent we could possibly get away from the idea of having a hand-held remote control and maybe kind of have a round remote control that kind of looks like a paperweight or something like that , kind of a sleek little uh neat thing that sits on your table or something . 1379.86 1384.28 1400.62 1404.77 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1379.52 1379.984 1379.55 1379.9 Okay . 1379.9 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1400.675 1401.39 1400.82 1401.39 Uh - ES2009c A MEE033 0 1402.425 1403.68 1402.53 1403.44 Hmm . 1403.44 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1402.444 1403.04 1402.66 1402.9 Hmm . 1402.9 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1405.184 1405.968 1405.2 1405.93 Interesting . 1405.93 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1407.07 1409.315 1407.07 1409.28 Yeah . 1409.28 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1407.296 1412.816 1407.35 1412.72 Why , why moving away from hand-held , why ? What's the uh idea ? 1408.53 1410.18 1410.85 1412.72 ES2009c C MEE035 2 1407.329 1408.512 1407.43 1408.47 Just a thought . 1408.47 ES2009c C MEE035 2 1412.272 1415.776 1412.29 1415.74 Well if you don't need to pick it up it could kind of be a selling point . 1415.74 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1414.581 1419.184 1414.82 1419.15 I if it's got voice recognition it can be technically anywhere in your room and still do its job . 1419.15 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1418.128 1418.672 1418.17 1418.63 Hmm . 1418.63 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1419.792 1426.224 1419.94 1426.18 Do you think people that are people that buy a remote , are they always gonna wanna use the voice recognition or is it just something that they do sometimes . 1422.11 1426.18 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1426.256 1436.704 1426.37 1436.67 True , and i probabl I think we're banking on selling it to more than just voice recognition people , like we want it to work fundamentally as a basic manual too , right . 1426.86 1432.96 1436.33 1436.67 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1434.608 1464.096 1434.63 1464.0 Well we have to have buttons on it too as well . But that's done , that's no bother I mean if you look at the catalogue from places like with sharper image or whatever you know they might have or like um who is it , Apple makes these really pretentious speakers with the th sub-woofers you know like clear and glass and you know and then they got these little pyramidal type of um speakers . I mean , why not have a little rounded kind of thing , it could still have the basic buttons on it . Um , 'cause we're going for basic functionality primarily as well . 1436.91 1437.64 1445.43 1455.33 1455.9 1457.91 1460.37 1461.12 1464.0 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1451.126 1451.68 1451.15 1451.65 Mm-hmm . 1451.65 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1451.968 1452.272 1452.0 1452.24 Right . 1452.24 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1452.388 1452.776 1452.52 1452.74 Yep . 1452.74 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1454.88 1455.35 1454.9 1455.21 Yeah . 1455.21 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1464.144 1465.152 1464.24 1465.09 With the bu yeah . 1465.09 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1465.168 1473.132 1465.19 1473.04 And maybe a menu button and so forth , you know um use a channel button to scroll through the menu d if they want to record programmes or whatever you know I mean we can sort that out . 1467.09 1473.04 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1472.128 1484.032 1472.15 1484.0 I think , I think you're on to something because we need to escape the traditional shape of a remote . Maybe something that looks nice on a table is would be good , even though and hand-held the same time . 1472.57 1479.39 1482.38 1484.0 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1472.381 1472.878 1472.5 1472.83 Mm-hmm . 1472.83 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1473.68 1475.472 1473.81 1475.33 Yeah . 1475.33 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1479.727 1480.177 1479.83 1480.14 True . 1480.14 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1482.119 1482.835 1482.26 1482.8 Way to go . 1482.8 ES2009c C MEE035 2 1484.265 1488.912 1484.265 1488.83 I think it's all about following Apple's lead on a lot of these things . 1488.83 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1488.288 1492.932 1488.31 1492.86 Yeah I'm thinking of the airport portal , you know like that little pod looking thing ? 1490.81 1492.86 ES2009c C MEE035 2 1490.24 1490.656 1490.27 1490.62 Mm-hmm . 1490.62 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1490.819 1491.488 1491.0 1491.45 Mm . 1491.45 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1492.374 1493.408 1492.63 1493.37 Yeah , those are nice . 1492.91 1493.37 ES2009c C MEE035 2 1492.698 1493.568 1492.87 1493.49 Exactly . 1493.49 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1493.584 1509.44 1493.83 1509.44 Yeah , I mean a nice although we do um wh uh is I'm recalling that she mentioned that we n need to get away from the surgical white kind of brushed aluminium thing and get back to it but you could have a very tasteful um wood coloured or earth tone kind of um 1493.98 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1500.72 1501.814 1501.21 1501.7 Right . 1501.7 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1501.904 1502.336 1501.92 1502.3 Mm . 1502.3 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1507.461 1508.958 1507.51 1508.82 That would be kinda neat . 1508.82 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1509.856 1512.602 1509.88 1512.602 Terracotta bowl or something . 1512.39 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1511.744 1541.072 1511.744 1541.02 Still , I mean , yeah , along those lines . Yeah I like that , I like that idea a lot . Um , let's see what we can do as far as that goes . And the uh the material like the plastics and so forth , we were discussing that being uh using like a rubber kind of softer feel , um you know li lik if you feel the the tip on this pen it's a bit gives just a bit . You know something where it's uh a a more advanced f form of plastic that has some kind of a tactile response to it . 1513.11 1513.41 1513.72 1514.97 1515.72 1516.77 1517.84 1519.93 1522.58 1527.99 1534.25 1541.02 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1514.162 1514.592 1514.29 1514.56 Mm . 1514.56 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1519.632 1520.224 1519.69 1519.99 Okay . 1519.99 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1527.712 1528.064 1527.74 1528.03 Mm . 1528.03 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1533.92 1534.336 1533.96 1534.3 Yeah . 1534.3 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1540.992 1541.808 1541.18 1541.66 Right . 1541.66 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1543.68 1545.376 1543.7 1545.18 Just kind of the squishy feel . 1545.18 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1545.712 1550.368 1545.73 1550.368 Yeah , which is the next big thing , so that's not gonna hurt us either . 1546.54 1548.04 1550.23 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1549.344 1550.009 1549.53 1549.8 Mm 'kay . 1549.8 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1550.571 1563.509 1550.78 1563.29 Yeah let's see if we can do a squishy non-remote control-looking remote control . But to be fair , yeah , I mean , you just c you could just put it literally put it on the the ni the coffee table next to the telly and say volume up . 1556.31 1556.96 1557.12 1557.33 1563.29 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1562.472 1563.167 1562.58 1562.93 Right . 1562.93 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1564.04 1577.218 1564.04 1577.02 Yeah I like it , I like the idea , that's good . Um and we've sorted of discussed costs , um . I guess we'll a that's gonna be uh a thing , if we run a bit over-budget , that might be okay , um . 1566.0 1566.82 1568.14 1570.58 1571.86 1574.01 1575.21 1576.56 1577.02 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1565.519 1565.93 1565.54 1565.89 Handy . 1565.89 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1578.064 1585.888 1578.13 1585.85 Sorry about the uh lack of information on cost , I just haven't been provided that information by our manufacturers and I'm just having to guess . 1580.93 1585.85 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1582.982 1583.82 1583.26 1583.56 Okay . 1583.56 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1584.034 1586.464 1584.034 1586.464 We'll have more of an idea when the prototype - ES2009c A MEE033 0 1587.52 1611.184 1587.57 1611.08 have more of a we'll have more of an idea later on . Um . And we just yeah go from there . Um , so we've revisited the touch screen and more or less ruled that out , um , I think so we're more or less con we wh wh we're more or less in agreement that we want to have a um a simple kind of function , you know , not too complex . 1590.13 1591.79 1594.12 1595.51 1598.7 1599.31 1608.97 1609.28 1611.08 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1608.975 1609.282 1609.0 1609.13 Mm . 1609.13 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1611.328 1627.178 1611.35 1627.178 Right . Well when the majority of people are only using the most primary functions on a daily basis , although I'm not saying we should completely rule out major functions , they should be secondary , at least if not functionally then visually , like those shouldn't be 1612.17 1617.92 1621.49 1623.67 1625.81 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1627.059 1627.888 1627.26 1627.71 Right . 1627.71 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1627.52 1629.664 1627.97 1629.45 Like maybe have menu things . 1629.45 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1628.576 1630.348 1628.6 1630.26 Take precedence , yeah . 1629.98 1630.26 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1629.584 1644.992 1629.6 1644.62 If , if we're not going the touch-screen route then we can um just incorporate maybe something that folds out like what you often see on these kinds of remotes is the most basic functions up here and something that slides down to reveal the you know more complicated things . 1630.15 1644.62 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1636.434 1636.823 1636.54 1636.78 Right . 1636.78 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1636.769 1637.614 1637.01 1637.48 Mm . 1637.48 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1640.524 1641.546 1640.59 1641.42 And they slide . 1641.42 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1644.912 1645.924 1644.94 1645.89 Yes . 1645.89 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1645.28 1652.08 1645.3 1652.03 Well and do we wanna consider like an iPod screen which isn't a touch screen but you're still scrolling through menu options , in p 1651.68 ES2009c C MEE035 2 1652.295 1654.896 1652.295 1654.7 Think then we're hitting our cost issue again . 1654.7 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1654.736 1656.61 1654.76 1656.57 True , we're still not making it easier then . 1655.08 1656.57 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1654.829 1687.232 1654.829 1687.2 Yeah we've also got the the me the thing of , if we're gonna have a non-remote-looking remote , how do we yeah . B But no I mean we could do a slide or a compartment , you know , like if it say it's a lit little vaguely ovoidal type of thing , it'd be easy to have a compartment in there . Or you know , a b a b a a series of you know three or four buttons with a menu button and then a side an s up and down type of thing , like on um like on a D_V_D_ player . You know you see the modern D_V_D_ players'll just have um a menu button on the side and then four buttons around them and you can just kind of manoeuvre through the menu like that . 1657.29 1659.75 1661.43 1663.78 1663.99 1667.4 1669.54 1669.99 1675.6 1678.05 1687.2 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1655.342 1655.984 1655.48 1655.93 Yeah . 1655.93 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1659.584 1660.037 1659.6 1659.95 True . 1659.95 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1661.28 1661.632 1661.3 1661.6 Fair enough . 1661.6 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1664.542 1665.018 1664.68 1664.98 Yeah . 1664.98 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1678.104 1678.512 1678.12 1678.43 Mm-hmm . 1678.43 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1682.8 1684.217 1682.82 1683.97 Yeah it's just a scroll . 1683.97 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1684.208 1684.544 1684.26 1684.51 Right . 1684.51 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1685.458 1685.692 1685.48 1685.66 Yeah . 1685.66 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1687.152 1696.176 1687.19 1696.176 So are we gonna are we talking we need to figure out what kind of buttons we're going to use , are we going to use scroll buttons ? Rubber buttons ? Um 1691.12 1693.85 1695.51 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1696.224 1710.368 1696.33 1710.33 Well it seems like I dunno it seems to me that we could just do the um stick with the rubber 'cause since we're probably gonna be using some kind of um rubber for the outside case we might as well stick with that um . 1710.33 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1702.946 1703.436 1703.04 1703.35 Yeah . 1703.35 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1708.037 1708.936 1708.26 1708.9 Probably . 1708.9 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1709.824 1710.784 1709.84 1710.68 Right . 1710.68 ES2009c C MEE035 2 1711.823 1723.28 1711.89 1723.19 I think to a certain extent we have to stick with uh kind of uh a little bit traditional in terms of the buttons and then and then make our unique feature our casing and what not and our voice command . 1723.19 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1718.88 1719.53 1718.9 1719.42 Right . 1719.42 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1721.632 1722.048 1721.65 1721.98 Mm . 1721.98 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1723.2 1740.512 1723.22 1740.48 Well no it's basic just like four directions that are that can use as menu or channel and volume or however you wanna do it , are really versatile and everybody's already got them to some extent on the remotes they already own so it's not like we're dealing with everybody relearning things 'cause that's not something anybody's gonna wanna buy a new for . 1729.99 1740.48 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1740.8 1741.76 1741.12 1741.58 Right . 1741.58 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1743.664 1745.52 1743.7 1745.44 Mm 'kay , um . 1744.63 1745.44 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1746.956 1765.472 1746.956 1765.472 We've already kind of covered this as well . That seems to be selling um and we we've more or less agreed that we want to kar target this youth market , um . Especially now with eighteen to thirty five year olds being such a large quantity of the population . 1751.45 1758.1 1760.85 1765.24 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1757.424 1757.744 1757.44 1757.71 Mm . 1757.71 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1764.107 1768.752 1764.107 1768.72 Right , particularly in technological fields , so that's exactly where we're headed . 1765.27 1766.83 1768.72 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1766.992 1767.856 1767.01 1767.79 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 1767.45 1767.79 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1768.896 1769.344 1768.92 1769.3 Okay . 1769.3 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1770.007 1771.472 1770.007 1771.39 Um . 1771.39 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1773.408 1780.112 1773.81 1780.08 Yeah alright , well , more or less covered what we need to cover I think fi an an any final thoughts before we think about doing the protot moving on to the prototype . 1774.3 1774.64 1780.08 ES2009c C MEE035 2 1781.578 1784.201 1781.66 1784.201 Well what are we actually doing ? What were 1783.56 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1783.523 1803.184 1783.523 1803.14 Right . I was just gonna step on to um I wasn't ? Oh , my bad um sorry . The um , yeah okay I was just gonna assign tasks in the next b anyth any oth any other final thoughts before we go ahead and cool ? 1784.3 1790.71 1790.99 1795.55 1796.49 1803.14 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1787.568 1788.016 1787.67 1787.98 Uh . 1787.98 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1789.296 1791.408 1789.32 1791.37 Oh it wasn't in the way but yeah , whatever . 1791.09 1791.37 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1793.611 1794.858 1793.85 1794.71 No , don't worry about it . 1794.15 1794.71 ES2009c C MEE035 2 1799.093 1799.616 1799.12 1799.56 Sure . 1799.56 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1800.72 1801.453 1800.74 1801.3 Okay . 1801.3 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1804.66 1805.171 1804.66 1805.14 Yeah . 1805.14 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1804.032 1811.392 1804.73 1811.34 So have we decided that we are gonna go with different style cases for different people ? Or are we just going to go with one ? 1809.6 1811.34 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1809.869 1811.648 1809.869 1811.36 Um . 1811.36 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1811.392 1831.696 1817.03 1831.696 ..It's very , it's very hard thing to predict because you have different cases and that might open up your market a little bit obviously , but if you have just one case and it doesn't go very well mm . It's a tough situation , but obviously having more cases also costs more so 1817.62 1823.24 1828.64 1829.2 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1820.048 1820.577 1820.08 1820.43 Yeah . 1820.43 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1828.272 1828.936 1828.29 1828.72 Yeah . 1828.72 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1828.274 1828.908 1828.44 1828.85 Right . 1828.85 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1831.856 1849.008 1832.17 1848.92 Well then again colours wouldn't be so hard to do , you could have uh a , you know , a um uh kind of a natural wood colour , like a stained wood and um , I don't know , olive green or something . That wouldn't be so much of a problem to incorporate into the colour of the thing . 1834.27 1835.96 1836.57 1839.02 1841.6 1843.03 1845.24 1848.92 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1834.752 1835.456 1834.77 1835.42 There's an idea . 1835.42 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1839.935 1840.487 1840.1 1840.45 Mm . 1840.45 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1844.672 1845.137 1844.69 1845.07 Yeah . 1845.07 ES2009c C MEE035 2 1849.136 1854.912 1849.36 1854.88 And again copying iMac's kind of for iPod Mac Apple's uh colour scheme . 1854.88 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1852.928 1854.144 1852.95 1854.11 Yeah , get in there . 1853.52 1854.11 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1855.44 1856.176 1855.52 1856.14 Yeah , totally . 1855.82 1856.14 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1857.108 1864.112 1857.19 1864.05 Yeah , I think that's probably a good id okay so let's work on uh multiple case colours . 1857.53 1864.05 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1867.104 1874.48 1867.12 1874.34 But yeah , stick with the same kind of kinda yeah , the same basic non-remote kind of remote design . 1867.47 1871.85 1874.34 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1875.792 1876.176 1875.83 1876.09 Cool . 1876.09 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1877.952 1904.64 1878.02 1904.6 Alright , so we'll have the next meeting about half an hour , um . I want the uh I'd like Nathan , I'd like you to work on just the basic look and feel , what can we accomplish , um , given these parameters that we're just gonna sort of have this kind of uh non-remote remote . Um , what are our broad constraints before we deve design a prototype . And um Ron if you can 1878.31 1880.84 1882.43 1885.92 1888.04 1889.82 1890.89 1896.37 1898.51 1902.78 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1896.162 1897.024 1896.4 1896.95 Right . 1896.95 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1905.776 1924.181 1905.8 1924.13 figure out how probably best to lay out this idea of this simple design with the voice recognition built in and also this kind of drop down or s on the side kind of menu options simple . Somehow work out how we can get this all s in the same place . 1920.16 1924.13 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1925.291 1947.472 1925.33 1947.44 Um , and if you can check product evaluation with m some pilots and stuff . Um I need you guys to work together on making a prototype , um using um prototype building materials um . And also um specific instructions will be sent to you by your coaches as well . So that's what to start with for now , is that alright , you guys feel clear about this ? 1926.42 1929.67 1932.5 1940.49 1944.39 1945.61 1946.11 1947.44 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1943.632 1945.328 1943.65 1945.1 Oh excellent yeah . 1945.1 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1945.887 1946.5 1946.04 1946.44 Cool . 1946.44 ES2009c B MEE034 1 1946.608 1947.95 1946.63 1947.88 That sounds good . 1947.88 ES2009c C MEE035 2 1947.564 1948.505 1947.58 1948.23 Fabulous . 1948.23 ES2009c A MEE033 0 1948.8 1952.624 1948.82 1952.52 Alright . I guess we'll just hit the bricks . Thanks guys . 1949.38 1952.04 1952.52 ES2009c D FEE036 3 1952.736 1953.12 1952.76 1953.07 Cool . 1953.07 ES2009d D FEE036 3 20.474 21.907 20.62 21.43 Okay . 21.43 ES2009d D FEE036 3 25.649 26.893 26.02 26.893 Oh I totally - ES2009d D FEE036 3 28.132 30.4 28.38 30.4 Yeah 'cause I moved it . 30.17 ES2009d D FEE036 3 35.868 38.991 36.0 38.76 'S put it over here . Then we don't have to worry about it . 37.16 38.76 ES2009d C MEE035 2 38.396 40.013 38.396 39.75 Ready for this ? 39.75 ES2009d A MEE033 0 41.679 43.424 41.98 43.31 All set ? Cool . 43.01 43.31 ES2009d A MEE033 0 44.067 47.408 44.54 46.73 Alright , it is PowerPoint time . 45.22 46.73 ES2009d A MEE033 0 48.512 57.968 48.53 57.91 I've done more PowerPoints in this particular experiment than I've ever done in my life before this experiment which is kind of fun . 57.91 ES2009d B MEE034 1 54.544 56.854 54.544 56.59 Yeah . 56.59 ES2009d C MEE035 2 58.56 60.96 58.56 60.96 Oh man . 60.65 ES2009d A MEE033 0 61.088 79.158 61.12 78.94 So uh here we have our detailed design meeting where we will um look at the prototype and um right so um , I finally figured out what this whole second bullet point is about in my that my coach was sending to me . It means I'm supposed to read the minutes from the previous meeting . 71.83 76.4 78.94 ES2009d B MEE034 1 78.736 80.102 78.76 79.99 Oh really ? Okay . 79.57 79.99 ES2009d A MEE033 0 79.84 100.304 79.86 100.24 I think . I don't know . Otherwise it's just saying I'm the secretary and I'm therefore I'm taking the minutes , s so just to go um just real briefly to go over minutes from last meeting , uh , I will open them slowly , no ? Wait for it , wait for it . 81.35 82.44 87.23 92.9 93.93 96.75 98.04 99.24 100.24 ES2009d D FEE036 3 80.512 81.389 80.53 80.93 Huh . 80.93 ES2009d D FEE036 3 107.376 111.568 107.4 111.568 Yeah that's not you . 111.47 ES2009d A MEE033 0 108.576 110.34 108.6 110.34 No . That's how the 109.2 ES2009d A MEE033 0 111.257 112.528 111.257 112.48 Wait . 112.48 ES2009d A MEE033 0 113.712 135.936 114.04 135.87 This is , this is very high-powered stuff here , double-clicking , there we go . So um basically the moral of the story from our last minute uh last meeting was that um we that we had meetings from uh we had presentations done by the Industrial Designer , uh or from Nathan , and Ron and from Sarah about what we can do here um and what 114.45 117.28 118.26 119.42 129.7 130.79 ES2009d A MEE033 0 137.04 180.016 137.06 179.96 sort of limitations we're operating with um uh excuse me what limitations we're operating under , what kind of risk we'd be looking at with some of the various approaches we were discussing and we essentially came to the conclusion that we should develop a remote with uh voice recognition , I_E_ that had a vaguely non-remote like shape um because you didn't really need to use it as a remote since you could just use your voice . That would include some mostly just the simple design features for a television operation but with a slide or a fold-out bay for more advanced functions for users . Um , and uh the uh uh the U_I_D_ and the I_D_ were asked to go ahead and start developing a prototype for us to look at . So . 142.46 152.76 159.06 169.28 169.95 178.69 179.96 ES2009d A MEE033 0 181.408 184.032 181.45 183.94 That's sorted , back to the main 182.5 ES2009d A MEE033 0 187.264 191.04 187.28 191.01 meet here , um , go ahead and take it away guys . 188.22 189.23 191.01 ES2009d B MEE034 1 191.024 221.398 192.17 221.36 Well . Uh , we have assembled our prototype , um . What's to be said about it ? Um , we took into account a lot of the things that we went over in the last meeting , um . Some of the most important things to consider are that we decided not to go for the touch screen which you can see and opted for some very large buttons for the primary functions , um . 193.14 195.36 198.6 199.92 201.77 202.83 206.28 207.68 220.74 221.36 ES2009d A MEE033 0 213.904 214.352 213.92 214.3 Mm-hmm . 214.3 ES2009d B MEE034 1 222.147 251.568 222.25 251.4 This is going to be the on off button and we have these buttons to go through the channels um and then two volume buttons down here , d uh we decided those were the most important uh buttons . And then , for the more advanced uh functions there is a slide out panel here um and you can see that there are lots of other things going on . But this actually can slide back in and provides a very nice aesthetic when it's all put away , um . 231.13 234.55 235.72 244.28 250.28 251.4 ES2009d B MEE034 1 254.879 262.112 254.98 261.98 As far as the uh whole visible light thing , we decided to go with the multiple colours coming out , why not ? 257.86 261.4 261.98 ES2009d D FEE036 3 258.489 260.322 258.85 260.2 Ah . 260.2 ES2009d A MEE033 0 260.134 265.664 260.134 265.664 Nice . 265.31 ES2009d D FEE036 3 262.47 263.678 262.47 263.39 Fair enough . 263.39 ES2009d B MEE034 1 264.112 269.84 264.14 269.62 Of course , if that's annoying for some people that function can be turned off . Um . 264.67 268.92 269.62 ES2009d A MEE033 0 267.399 268.4 267.399 268.37 Perfect . 268.37 ES2009d C MEE035 2 270.701 316.957 270.95 316.88 No it's important to we talked a quite a bit about uh you know the the interchangeable uh faces and what we've done here is come up with a bit of a natural look here um f we call it fruity if you will . Um . Right , um , of course that's uh interchangeable and uh I think it would be desirable for the uh for the regular product in the in the in the in the first packaging to be something a little bit more subdued but this is kind of something that can be done um and as you can see on the television there uh we have the uh voice detector device um on the top there . Um . So that that will work quite well with with regard to finding this uh contraption . 284.73 286.14 286.63 286.97 310.71 311.65 316.88 ES2009d B MEE034 1 271.008 271.888 271.18 271.84 Go ahead . 271.84 ES2009d D FEE036 3 277.472 278.159 277.51 277.95 Mm . 277.95 ES2009d D FEE036 3 281.417 282.117 281.6 282.02 Right . 282.02 ES2009d D FEE036 3 284.652 286.472 284.72 286.24 Appropriate , okay . 285.9 286.24 ES2009d D FEE036 3 294.96 295.691 295.1 295.58 Mm 'kay . 295.58 ES2009d D FEE036 3 300.542 301.344 300.64 301.3 It is an option . 301.3 ES2009d A MEE033 0 307.104 307.98 307.104 307.84 Oh , right . 307.52 307.84 ES2009d B MEE034 1 308.69 309.552 308.86 309.52 That's this here . 309.52 ES2009d D FEE036 3 309.49 311.607 309.62 311.34 Ah . I see . 310.89 311.34 ES2009d C MEE035 2 317.395 343.744 317.46 343.65 Um , what other things do we see here , well , um if you give it a touch it does have actually a bit of a spongy feel , um , so I think that will work well with regards to our market . Um and uh let's see , well clearly there's gonna be some more colours and what not available . Um uh do you have anything else to add to that ? 318.46 320.23 320.95 325.09 325.74 330.14 335.77 340.6 343.65 ES2009d B MEE034 1 343.936 357.536 344.03 357.5 Um I worried about the materials , it is uh the entire thing is covered in a rubber coating so it's very durable uh , it's not gonna break like some types of plastic that's dropped . 346.73 354.13 357.5 ES2009d B MEE034 1 358.72 363.968 358.74 363.93 Um , and of course as you can see and if you touch it it does have that nice squishy feel . 359.56 363.93 ES2009d C MEE035 2 365.761 375.27 365.78 375.08 It's actually important to note that the television , uh you know if there's an earthquake or anything like that , that i it actually is edible inside . 368.23 372.52 375.08 ES2009d B MEE034 1 377.312 387.075 377.36 387.075 Fact , I dunno if you noticed , but I wrote the uh the company's name on the telephone screen , I thought that was kinda nice . This was actually an apple on the inside . This 377.89 378.57 381.67 383.33 386.61 ES2009d A MEE033 0 380.784 383.763 380.8 383.68 Oh well done yeah , yeah oh ok 382.11 ES2009d D FEE036 3 381.473 382.626 381.56 382.37 Nice . 382.37 ES2009d D FEE036 3 386.15 389.772 386.3 389.772 Do we need to worry about um rot factors ? 389.59 ES2009d C MEE035 2 389.504 393.847 389.52 393.66 Um it's encased in a new uh type of uh - ES2009d D FEE036 3 393.568 397.081 393.61 396.94 Oh okay , there's preservatives involved , we don't need to worry , okay . 394.16 395.23 396.13 396.94 ES2009d C MEE035 2 394.832 396.743 394.85 396.34 polymer yeah . It's fine . 395.89 396.34 ES2009d B MEE034 1 394.823 401.379 395.02 401.379 Yeah . We got a bit ahead of ourselves , I know we're not talking about making televisions at this point or anything like that , but 395.98 397.12 400.64 ES2009d C MEE035 2 397.257 397.721 397.45 397.63 Hmm . 397.63 ES2009d D FEE036 3 397.419 398.36 397.47 398.14 Fair enough . 398.14 ES2009d A MEE033 0 399.184 402.8 399.184 402.8 Edible televisions , it's a wave of the future . 400.67 402.27 ES2009d D FEE036 3 400.058 401.315 400.13 401.315 No but - ES2009d D FEE036 3 402.141 403.92 402.141 403.89 It's a couple years off at least . 403.89 ES2009d C MEE035 2 401.872 423.296 402.62 423.11 It's pos a possible new product . Um , but I think that's I think that sums up the main features of our of the remote , um I dunno if you guys have any questions or f whether that uh whether we need to worry about any uh other marketing areas or anything of that nature . Um , did we come in under budget ? 406.0 407.17 412.12 421.64 421.92 423.11 ES2009d D FEE036 3 404.605 405.346 404.68 405.08 Okay . 405.08 ES2009d A MEE033 0 411.851 412.824 412.16 412.77 Brilliant . 412.77 ES2009d B MEE034 1 412.116 412.642 412.27 412.58 Right . 412.58 ES2009d B MEE034 1 423.728 438.492 423.75 438.31 Uh we did , yeah . This cost well to put this into um production , we're looking at about what was our goal ? It was twelve fifty Euro um and this actually came in at about eleven ninety nine . 424.62 424.94 429.12 432.58 438.31 ES2009d B MEE034 1 439.312 478.854 439.33 478.63 Um , so I was quite pleased with that . One thing that we didn't do um obviously we had a choice with the buttons whether to use scroll buttons or standard rubber buttons , but we just went for a classic rubber button and um since we did that we didn't have to use as many microchips which was quite nice and that's what helped keep the cost down . So even though it has a lot of modern technology , um for example the voice recognition , in a lot of ways it's just a simple remote and um I think if we shopped around for other manufacturers um we might be able to get even cheaper . 440.17 442.41 449.19 459.63 463.65 465.46 478.63 ES2009d C MEE035 2 441.408 442.3 441.44 442.0 Mm-hmm . 442.0 ES2009d D FEE036 3 452.046 453.034 452.27 452.56 Mm . 452.56 ES2009d A MEE033 0 458.976 459.472 459.14 459.44 Brilliant . 459.44 ES2009d D FEE036 3 459.965 460.645 460.1 460.52 Mm . 460.52 ES2009d D FEE036 3 467.936 468.272 467.96 468.23 Okay . 468.23 ES2009d C MEE035 2 469.664 469.92 469.72 469.87 Mm . 469.87 ES2009d C MEE035 2 478.912 483.36 478.912 483.22 Did we talk about the voice recognition uh option ? 483.22 ES2009d B MEE034 1 479.972 480.558 480.0 480.558 And - ES2009d B MEE034 1 483.312 485.232 483.34 485.18 Oh no , we haven't talked about that yet have we ? 484.05 485.18 ES2009d C MEE035 2 484.348 531.872 484.43 531.82 So uh so uh yeah on the back here you all noticed this area here which is actually the voice recognition uh uh console and uh I think it's nicely designed into the into the overall look . Um , but basically the voice recognition uh incorporates um the latest designs that our research team has been able to cufw uh come up with . Basically uh quite similar to the coffee maker um design that we were talking about earlier and um , I think that uh has given a proven um ease of use and what not . And uh allows features like the remote actually talking back to the user um , so . 499.15 499.69 507.14 514.57 522.43 530.64 531.82 ES2009d D FEE036 3 491.872 492.448 491.93 492.41 Okay . 492.41 ES2009d D FEE036 3 498.153 498.919 498.35 498.69 Yeah . 498.69 ES2009d D FEE036 3 510.176 511.038 510.22 510.63 Mm 'kay . 510.63 ES2009d B MEE034 1 520.642 522.48 520.86 522.4 Hmm . Yeah . 522.01 522.4 ES2009d D FEE036 3 528.384 528.736 528.42 528.7 Right . 528.7 ES2009d A MEE033 0 532.112 533.088 532.18 532.79 Cool . 532.79 ES2009d B MEE034 1 532.4 533.232 532.44 533.2 Any questions ? 533.2 ES2009d D FEE036 3 534.899 545.443 534.899 545.41 Do we have um other , for lack of a better word , skins ? Covers ? In play now or are those ones gonna be developed later once we see how the couple we have g go or ? 538.46 539.11 539.69 540.76 545.41 ES2009d A MEE033 0 534.896 536.629 534.93 536.629 No , no I think that's 535.19 ES2009d B MEE034 1 545.312 548.016 545.33 547.98 Um , do you wanna answer this one or do you want me to answer it ? 546.42 547.98 ES2009d D FEE036 3 546.374 547.888 546.53 547.85 Do we know where we stand on that yet ? 547.85 ES2009d C MEE035 2 547.936 551.821 548.01 551.4 Well we didn't quite have enough material uh . 551.4 ES2009d D FEE036 3 551.04 554.684 551.29 554.684 Oh I wasn't expecting a prototype I just didn't know if you guys had any in mind yet . 554.11 ES2009d B MEE034 1 552.31 553.216 552.33 553.18 Yeah , yeah . 552.92 553.18 ES2009d C MEE035 2 552.496 555.234 552.52 555.2 Oh I see , right , um . 553.71 554.78 555.2 ES2009d B MEE034 1 554.675 567.105 554.77 567.105 Um , well as you can see this is just a most superficial layer and um it'd be very easy to put another layer of something else like 556.11 ES2009d D FEE036 3 562.762 563.44 562.8 563.38 Okay . 563.38 ES2009d D FEE036 3 564.48 567.76 564.5 567.72 Just veneer really , yeah . Okay . 566.4 567.34 567.72 ES2009d C MEE035 2 566.752 596.384 566.77 596.18 Right . Actually this bottom red ring here just unclips and then you put a a new a new uh a new plate on top of that . So I mean there are I we definitely priced out a spongy even spongier non-natural look um materials which I think worked out fine . We also continued on with the ideas that f following uh Apple's colour schemes with the kind of the uh light orange and the green . 567.84 577.19 587.26 596.18 ES2009d D FEE036 3 570.254 570.884 570.34 570.83 Mm-hmm . 570.83 ES2009d D FEE036 3 571.968 572.833 571.99 572.833 And the whole thing - ES2009d D FEE036 3 573.744 574.546 573.76 574.45 Okay . 574.45 ES2009d D FEE036 3 577.104 577.733 577.12 577.46 Right . 577.46 ES2009d D FEE036 3 579.205 580.806 579.29 580.806 Yeah . There's 580.27 ES2009d D FEE036 3 584.97 585.694 584.99 585.46 Okay . 585.46 ES2009d D FEE036 3 587.961 588.522 588.02 588.41 Mm 'kay . 588.41 ES2009d D FEE036 3 592.928 594.256 593.02 594.22 Okay , very cool . 593.76 594.22 ES2009d B MEE034 1 595.202 618.944 595.39 618.89 It's not it's not quite a a face plate , it's more like a pseudo-face plate because it's simple enough that in the factory it could we could very easily put a different one on it , it locks into place such that , you know , it's pretty permanent but at the same time , if we wanna go the other way it's just a matter of a couple of adjustments and we could go the face plate way if you know what I mean . 598.36 607.33 609.79 609.96 613.6 618.89 ES2009d D FEE036 3 600.912 601.688 600.93 601.39 Okay . 601.39 ES2009d D FEE036 3 617.2 617.6 617.22 617.55 Okay . 617.55 ES2009d D FEE036 3 619.008 623.616 619.03 623.56 Yep . It's still an option if we need it . Very cool , nice job . 619.79 621.89 623.2 623.56 ES2009d B MEE034 1 620.752 621.232 620.77 621.11 Yeah . 621.11 ES2009d A MEE033 0 624.192 628.704 624.22 628.67 Right , yeah thanks guys that's very , very good work . I like it , brilliant . 624.57 626.84 627.35 628.35 628.67 ES2009d A MEE033 0 629.776 655.424 629.776 655.424 Um , what we need to discuss now is the finance of it , um I got me you've got you provided a number that actually sounds quite nice . Um the trouble is I was just given this by finance . Um , it's a spreadsheet of the parts and I've just tentatively put in what it's going to look like um . I'm just gonna clear this out real quickly , but it looks like 631.86 634.76 640.17 644.05 644.3 651.29 654.04 ES2009d B MEE034 1 644.0 644.432 644.04 644.39 Oh . 644.39 ES2009d B MEE034 1 649.523 650.121 649.65 649.93 Ooh . 649.93 ES2009d A MEE033 0 659.936 665.472 659.96 665.37 So we'll just if we can just itemize what's in here , we've got this it's a solar cell thing right ? 663.24 665.37 ES2009d B MEE034 1 665.744 670.128 666.27 670.09 Right uh we didn't really touch on that but it it's in there , yep . 669.93 670.09 ES2009d A MEE033 0 667.152 668.288 667.17 668.25 With a back-up battery ? 668.25 ES2009d A MEE033 0 670.112 673.004 670.13 673.004 With the ba okay . Um and 671.63 ES2009d C MEE035 2 672.413 678.857 672.56 678.76 The voice recognition area actually doubles as uh as the solar cell area . Yeah . 678.45 678.76 ES2009d A MEE033 0 677.824 682.736 677.84 682.736 Clever , clever , well done . Um so I guess that would mean we've got a bit of a um 678.47 678.89 680.07 ES2009d A MEE033 0 684.048 688.112 684.048 687.96 It's a s a speaker and a sensor at the same time isn't it ? 687.96 ES2009d B MEE034 1 688.128 692.88 688.27 692.88 Yeah , yeah . It's just making use of the same space and the same materials , but 689.2 689.34 692.64 ES2009d D FEE036 3 691.441 692.009 691.47 691.91 Mm-hmm . 691.91 ES2009d A MEE033 0 691.836 692.736 692.1 692.67 Okay . 692.67 ES2009d A MEE033 0 693.76 698.416 693.78 698.416 Um and the case , it's more of a single-curved case , I guess would be that be the general 694.97 696.87 ES2009d B MEE034 1 698.352 700.928 698.37 700.85 Yeah , one big curve I guess you could say . 698.7 700.85 ES2009d D FEE036 3 699.052 699.6 699.12 699.57 Mm-hmm . 699.57 ES2009d A MEE033 0 701.599 710.416 701.599 710.35 Um and we've got a rubber skin material basically throughout . Um . Push button interface 706.92 708.6 ES2009d A MEE033 0 711.792 716.418 711.81 716.31 um with this other drop-down so maybe we've got two push button interfaces don't we ? 716.31 ES2009d B MEE034 1 715.872 717.04 715.89 717.0 Yeah , mm-hmm . 716.57 717.0 ES2009d A MEE033 0 716.96 717.952 716.98 717.91 Um . 717.91 ES2009d A MEE033 0 719.024 721.232 719.11 721.232 And um a special - ES2009d A MEE033 0 722.544 730.098 722.56 729.9 I guess it's uh we've got a sort of a wood materi a rubbery type material that throughout , yeah . 729.38 729.9 ES2009d B MEE034 1 727.648 738.134 727.67 737.99 Yeah , special . And s I guess you have to mark special colour and special form as well , don't you ? 'Cause it i it is very unconventional , I like to think of it as unconventional . 728.25 729.56 733.66 734.04 736.68 737.99 ES2009d A MEE033 0 736.064 738.345 736.08 738.345 Yeah , it's it's quite unique . I like it , yeah it's 736.49 737.33 737.78 ES2009d A MEE033 0 739.432 742.112 739.79 741.95 So it looks like - ES2009d D FEE036 3 742.0 743.641 742.2 743.51 M come in at sixteen ? 743.51 ES2009d A MEE033 0 743.408 746.194 743.43 746.1 a bit over budget , um . 745.41 746.1 ES2009d B MEE034 1 743.594 746.624 744.08 746.59 Oh . Huh , doesn't match up does it ? 745.04 745.68 746.59 ES2009d A MEE033 0 748.528 754.864 748.56 754.83 So what we could do perhaps , a simple fix would maybe to switch away from the solar cells 751.27 ES2009d A MEE033 0 755.968 760.137 755.968 760.137 um or take out the back-up battery . Uh 759.79 ES2009d B MEE034 1 759.6 760.512 759.66 760.48 How do you feel about that ? 760.48 ES2009d C MEE035 2 760.608 773.824 761.17 773.76 I mean I think that uh if we're talking about it being one of our main selling features , being environmental and without the batteries and what not , although it does still have a battery so I'm not sure that you know what the sell is on that . 765.66 768.67 773.76 ES2009d D FEE036 3 772.128 772.616 772.33 772.58 Yeah . 772.58 ES2009d B MEE034 1 773.296 798.608 773.73 798.57 I mean we could take we could take the battery out of it you see and it'd probably work ninety nine per cent of the time but you're gonna have to set up a call centre for that one per cent of the time when people are calling and saying oh look my remote isn't working what am I gonna do ? People'd be real upset . I think in the long-run it's better to keep the battery , it's hard to scrap the whole cell battery idea 'cause that's so integral to the theme that we have . 787.51 789.07 792.31 798.57 ES2009d A MEE033 0 785.733 787.28 785.99 787.19 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 786.89 787.19 ES2009d D FEE036 3 786.257 787.093 786.28 786.63 Mm k . 786.63 ES2009d D FEE036 3 788.964 789.767 789.1 789.67 True . 789.67 ES2009d A MEE033 0 800.976 802.398 801.14 801.96 Hmm . 801.96 ES2009d A MEE033 0 809.04 819.44 809.06 819.4 What's difficult , we have all these things integral to the um to the design of it that we just can't back out of now , it would have to be seems like we'd have to go back to 809.93 816.31 ES2009d D FEE036 3 813.61 814.512 813.94 814.37 Nah . 814.37 ES2009d A MEE033 0 820.592 821.904 820.61 821.69 square one - ES2009d A MEE033 0 824.512 832.592 824.53 832.592 in a way . Um if we were gonna try to undo one bit we'd probably have to undo most of it , um 825.96 831.35 ES2009d B MEE034 1 830.976 831.312 831.0 831.28 Yeah . 831.28 ES2009d D FEE036 3 831.84 850.384 831.84 850.35 Although we don't wanna get rid of the whole environmental I mean obviously the solar cell is a big piece of the way we're marketing this as like a natural , new thing , but honestly if we cut that one piece out we're actually coming in under budget if I've done my math correctly . 841.39 844.63 850.35 ES2009d B MEE034 1 851.017 851.607 851.16 851.5 Hmm . 851.5 ES2009d C MEE035 2 851.027 860.672 851.98 860.5 I mean you might be able to sway me on the idea that we our main selling point could be already this voice recognition thing I mean that's what sets us apart right ? 860.5 ES2009d D FEE036 3 852.023 852.89 852.3 852.89 I mean - ES2009d D FEE036 3 859.008 864.912 859.03 864.912 Which , it's yeah that's what setting us into this young market , I mean that's where we started from , so 859.69 862.93 864.5 ES2009d D FEE036 3 867.84 876.368 867.84 876.27 I don't know , and I mean you know perhaps when the cell technology comes down in price we can bring that back into the game but it looks like at this point that may be out of our league . 868.25 876.27 ES2009d C MEE035 2 877.792 900.352 877.81 900.16 And the reality is you know , for me from an ideological stand point , I'd like to stick with the uh the solar cell , but I h kind of have to throw myself in the in the business structure model here and uh you know I think I think that I think that we need to come to a compromise here and maybe move ahead with the project , without the solar cell . 879.65 881.87 884.56 899.08 900.16 ES2009d B MEE034 1 877.757 878.38 878.0 878.27 Right . 878.27 ES2009d D FEE036 3 887.248 887.834 887.28 887.69 Right . 887.69 ES2009d D FEE036 3 889.181 889.84 889.42 889.81 Yeah . 889.81 ES2009d B MEE034 1 890.184 890.768 890.35 890.66 Right . 890.66 ES2009d A MEE033 0 891.502 893.344 892.05 892.89 It's either or . 892.89 ES2009d D FEE036 3 893.904 894.24 893.92 894.21 Yeah . 894.21 ES2009d B MEE034 1 901.488 909.248 901.99 909.18 Yeah . I guess we might have to do that . It's the only way we're gonna get below our uh goal isn't it ? Of twelve fifty . 902.71 904.47 908.07 909.18 ES2009d D FEE036 3 902.608 904.496 902.64 904.44 I think unfortunately that's our best option . 904.44 ES2009d D FEE036 3 907.904 908.32 907.94 908.28 Mm . 908.28 ES2009d A MEE033 0 909.312 921.04 909.4 920.97 'Cause we can't remove the push buttons 'cause they're um and we can't get rid of the uh I mean removing the changing the case wouldn't be so much of a - ES2009d D FEE036 3 912.192 914.624 912.192 914.59 It kind of yeah . 914.59 ES2009d B MEE034 1 912.523 913.616 912.61 913.45 Yeah , . 913.45 913.45 ES2009d C MEE035 2 922.0 922.768 922.02 922.72 Savings . 922.72 ES2009d A MEE033 0 922.182 926.576 922.182 926.53 mm-mm , um , nor would changing the case materials . 924.24 924.65 926.53 ES2009d D FEE036 3 924.19 924.971 924.3 924.75 Mm-mm . 924.75 ES2009d A MEE033 0 927.632 935.248 927.66 935.248 Um . So yeah that looks like to be the only thing . So that would be the it's a major change but 929.93 932.66 ES2009d D FEE036 3 932.288 932.736 932.31 932.7 Yeah . 932.7 ES2009d A MEE033 0 936.704 937.488 936.72 937.12 Yeah . 937.12 ES2009d B MEE034 1 939.776 941.289 939.8 940.89 Gotta do what you gotta do . 940.89 ES2009d A MEE033 0 939.248 942.352 939.95 941.89 Alright , so we're in agreement on that . 940.82 941.89 ES2009d D FEE036 3 942.272 944.528 942.68 944.42 Unfortunately I think we are . 944.42 ES2009d C MEE035 2 946.286 948.976 946.39 948.87 No , I think that was a good compromise you brought forward Sarah . 946.56 948.87 ES2009d A MEE033 0 955.632 957.536 955.632 957.48 Right . 957.48 ES2009d A MEE033 0 959.552 966.144 959.57 965.99 Moving along swiftly . Um , so I guess now we just go to the project evaluation 961.07 961.55 ES2009d A MEE033 0 967.44 970.233 967.46 970.17 which I will allow Sarah to take over . 970.17 ES2009d D FEE036 3 969.371 972.557 969.88 972.47 That would be me . Um cord ? 971.1 972.47 ES2009d A MEE033 0 972.737 973.84 972.84 973.77 Ah of course , sorry . 973.36 973.77 ES2009d D FEE036 3 973.968 974.656 974.01 974.62 No problem . 974.62 ES2009d A MEE033 0 974.896 975.228 974.92 975.11 Whoosh . 975.11 ES2009d D FEE036 3 977.12 979.632 977.19 979.59 Can you reach , that would be great , thank you . 977.97 979.05 979.59 ES2009d C MEE035 2 977.968 978.514 977.99 978.34 Yep . 978.34 ES2009d A MEE033 0 979.808 986.976 979.808 986.976 That'd be great - ES2009d D FEE036 3 981.273 1013.061 981.273 1013.01 I didn't even do that one on purpose either , damn . Okay , um , basically I was just evaluating um from what we know of how our product's working right now with the criteria that we set at the beginning of these are the things we needed to do , these are the things that look like we feel they're important . Um so I was looking at basic design things , does it fulfil its functions as a remote ? Is the design what we wanted it to do ? I are technologies up to where we hoped they would be and does it fulfil the aesthetic qualities that our original market research was looking for ? Um . 985.81 986.92 987.54 987.82 995.72 998.24 1001.05 1003.24 1005.35 1012.51 1013.01 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1013.455 1037.744 1013.65 1037.68 Basic questions like , you know , does it turn on ? Does it respond to voice recognition ? And overall , in general , it looks like it's coming up to par . Um , the only thing is with with the pull-out panel , that is , can it take some adjusting because it's a new sort of interface , um that looked like it was coming up rough , but then , once you get used to it , it does make a lot of sense . So I think overall we're headed in the right direction . 1014.86 1015.26 1016.79 1019.31 1020.07 1020.66 1022.59 1022.95 1025.65 1026.3 1029.16 1032.48 1032.88 1033.72 1035.2 1037.68 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1022.432 1022.688 1022.47 1022.65 Mm . 1022.65 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1038.08 1038.624 1038.11 1038.5 Really good . 1038.5 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1038.262 1039.792 1038.262 1039.75 So . 1039.75 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1039.712 1041.392 1039.93 1041.34 They like that spongy feel . 1041.34 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1041.607 1044.539 1041.63 1044.46 Yeah . It looks like it's going over well , so 1042.63 1043.99 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1043.535 1048.032 1043.81 1048.0 And the paging function works well , that's good to hear , we worked hard on that one . 1045.62 1046.92 1048.0 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1044.272 1045.154 1044.33 1045.05 Six ? 1045.05 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1045.567 1064.912 1045.69 1064.81 we're we're good yeah . Yeah . It's I think eventually if we do um branch out with this product maybe we do have a higher budget options and if it goes over with this model we can look into um wider range voice recognition like from other rooms of the house and stuff , but for now , what we've got is working in the range we need it for , so it's all good . 1048.08 1049.14 1060.69 1061.22 1063.3 1064.81 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1047.563 1048.457 1047.98 1048.36 We did . 1048.36 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1066.448 1067.136 1066.47 1066.78 Brilliant . 1066.78 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1066.688 1071.008 1066.71 1070.88 I am bit disappointed about losing the solar panel but it's okay . 1070.88 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1066.928 1068.24 1066.95 1068.17 That's everything from me . 1068.17 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1069.808 1070.112 1069.83 1070.08 Hmm . 1070.08 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1069.664 1070.528 1070.02 1070.49 Yeah . 1070.49 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1071.51 1071.99 1071.6 1071.81 Mm . 1071.81 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1071.487 1073.504 1071.65 1073.504 Yeah , it is a set-back , but 1072.23 1073.14 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1075.984 1077.282 1076.17 1077.21 Okay , do you need the cord back ? 1076.45 1077.21 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1077.04 1082.368 1077.1 1082.368 W we might have uh we might have lost that granola market again that we're - ES2009d A MEE033 0 1077.52 1078.986 1077.54 1078.83 Um yeah , I was just go on . 1078.01 1078.83 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1080.733 1081.409 1080.78 1081.35 I know . 1081.35 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1082.734 1084.464 1082.89 1084.32 Well they don't own tellys anyway do they ? 1084.32 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1084.512 1085.664 1084.58 1085.53 I guess that's true . 1085.53 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1084.883 1085.312 1084.97 1085.28 True . 1085.28 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1088.88 1126.655 1089.17 1126.62 Right . So , um , this one's a bit unclear to me to be perfectly fair , um . I got this slide from the coach and I'm not sure what it's connected to . Um so I guess we are going to discuss um our project process um and that is gonna go into my report . So I guess this is the point where we go um uh out of role it looks like and talk about our satisfaction for room for creativity and so forth and how that all worked , I guess , um . 1089.8 1090.58 1093.02 1096.89 1098.15 1102.83 1112.4 1125.53 1126.27 1126.62 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1124.176 1124.704 1124.2 1124.52 Okay . 1124.52 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1125.424 1128.743 1126.37 1128.71 As in within the team or ? 1128.71 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1128.144 1129.189 1128.17 1129.15 I think so yeah . 1129.15 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1128.912 1132.384 1128.93 1132.384 Right so it's just kind of a open mic kind of thing or - ES2009d D FEE036 3 1129.555 1130.232 1129.61 1130.12 Okay . 1130.12 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1130.576 1131.296 1130.6 1131.296 I think it's - ES2009d A MEE033 0 1132.155 1133.376 1132.48 1133.27 I mm-hmm , I think so . 1132.79 1133.27 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1134.423 1134.88 1134.58 1134.84 'Kay . 1134.84 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1134.848 1142.256 1134.93 1141.9 I think hope I'm not screwing up an experiment . 1141.9 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1135.024 1139.269 1135.04 1139.22 It is now , you're in charge so there you go . 1136.19 1139.22 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1143.043 1152.016 1143.47 1151.88 But I trust that she would jump in if I was so okay fair enough . Um right , um so any thoughts ? 1146.48 1148.6 1151.88 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1145.645 1146.5 1145.81 1146.4 Yeah . 1146.4 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1145.688 1148.272 1145.86 1148.16 Whatever . 1148.16 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1152.704 1155.728 1152.72 1155.69 Are we considering these points here ? Okay . 1155.26 1155.69 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1153.031 1153.717 1153.32 1153.62 Um . 1153.62 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1154.768 1155.216 1154.89 1155.17 Yeah . 1155.17 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1155.246 1156.592 1155.27 1156.56 I think they're starting blocks yeah . 1156.56 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1158.672 1160.544 1158.69 1160.51 What do you guys feel about the process ? 1160.51 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1162.096 1175.728 1162.12 1175.69 Um , you know I think in general , for a day's worth of work we actually were relatively productive , considering the little amount of input we had going in . Um , and the technology has definitely been a help , it's really been interesting to try out all this new stuff . 1162.95 1164.37 1167.99 1171.17 1171.69 1173.49 1175.69 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1170.384 1170.96 1170.42 1170.91 Mm-hmm . 1170.91 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1177.584 1179.328 1177.62 1179.29 We didn't use the whiteboard at all . 1179.29 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1179.2 1190.928 1179.2 1190.88 No , we didn't . We could now if that'd make up for it but really and I feel like if you guys had been designing in here perhaps that would have changed but because of room constraints , doesn't really matter . 1180.48 1181.44 1190.09 1190.88 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1179.472 1179.961 1179.51 1179.86 No . 1179.86 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1179.512 1181.312 1179.59 1181.26 No , no whiteboard . 1180.45 1181.26 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1183.6 1185.216 1183.6 1185.216 And - ES2009d C MEE035 2 1192.08 1201.053 1192.1 1201.02 Um , also had I not been intrigued about the pen , I don't think I woulda used it at all , I didn't write barely anything . 1192.69 1197.08 1199.72 1201.02 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1200.581 1206.736 1200.84 1206.46 Yeah I think I was taking notes more often than usual just 'cause I liked the pen , yeah . 1205.08 1206.46 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1203.702 1205.513 1203.89 1205.29 Yeah , it's true . 1204.74 1205.29 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1208.986 1209.968 1209.14 1209.78 Uh . 1209.78 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1208.946 1210.066 1209.33 1209.8 Mm . 1209.8 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1210.464 1211.824 1210.55 1211.78 Was pretty cool tack though . 1211.78 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1212.704 1212.928 1212.8 1212.89 Yeah . 1212.89 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1213.472 1218.703 1213.5 1218.703 Mm . I am disappointed I didn't get a note back from my personal coach . 1214.63 1218.65 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1213.453 1214.049 1213.53 1214.0 Definitely . 1214.0 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1217.952 1219.232 1218.0 1219.14 As you write your personal coach . 1219.14 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1219.04 1225.216 1219.17 1225.08 Yeah , but I didn't get a response so we'll see . 1220.02 1225.08 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1220.784 1228.448 1220.784 1228.26 What if you get a response two or three months from now ? That'd be weird . 1227.57 1228.26 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1226.983 1229.152 1227.39 1228.91 Okay that would be kinda creepy . 1228.91 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1228.379 1233.253 1228.44 1231.91 Attempts to contact coach ineffective . 1231.91 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1229.995 1240.979 1229.995 1240.979 Well what kind of coaching is that really ? What if I really needed something . 1234.49 1240.84 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1237.052 1248.016 1237.052 1247.78 I so I don't n I think there was a lot of room for creativity , we could do whatever basically what we wanted until the budget came down on us , um . 1241.57 1247.2 1247.78 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1243.168 1244.224 1243.19 1243.99 I think so . 1243.99 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1248.368 1252.864 1248.42 1252.83 And even then we did get a decent product turned out although it's not everything we wanted it to be . 1252.83 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1252.992 1253.552 1253.13 1253.49 Yeah . 1253.49 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1252.864 1254.832 1253.49 1254.65 With the natural look . 1254.65 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1254.848 1256.341 1254.87 1256.0 That's very natural . 1256.0 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1255.136 1257.156 1255.136 1256.94 Very natural look . 1256.94 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1255.504 1268.128 1255.504 1268.09 Organic , really . And highly resourceful team mates might I add which is always a plus . 1258.05 1262.85 1268.09 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1258.673 1262.032 1258.673 1261.87 That's the brilliance of they had a p they had a peeler in here . 1261.87 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1266.4 1266.944 1266.42 1266.91 Yeah . 1266.91 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1268.4 1272.052 1268.42 1271.77 Yeah , I think , yeah re I thought it was like really creative actually , I mean . 1268.7 1269.01 1271.41 1271.77 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1271.184 1276.186 1271.184 1275.93 I think the teamwork was good as well . 1275.93 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1271.494 1273.12 1271.51 1273.08 Mm yeah , I'm impressed . 1272.33 1273.08 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1275.072 1279.536 1275.22 1279.5 And to prove that we weren't wasteful we didn't waste a single bit of Play-Doh , we used every bit . 1278.75 1279.5 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1279.543 1289.061 1279.543 1289.061 Nice . All four of those little containers . 1281.34 1288.68 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1282.08 1286.484 1282.08 1286.32 Including the s the multi-coloured wave pattern . 1286.32 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1283.056 1284.624 1283.08 1284.624 Yeah , I guess 1284.13 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1286.608 1293.36 1286.63 1293.3 My one my one criticism is that we didn't have enough colours to work with , we only had four , wasn't enough . 1290.91 1292.64 1293.3 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1289.985 1296.736 1289.985 1296.63 Yeah . You could have developed multiple skins really had you had more colours . 1293.12 1296.63 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1295.296 1297.168 1295.34 1297.13 I know it could have been amazing . 1297.13 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1297.568 1298.848 1297.6 1298.77 Oh well . 1298.77 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1299.742 1303.507 1299.76 1303.27 What did you guys think about the the the roles ? 1303.27 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1304.56 1305.36 1304.73 1305.19 Hmm . 1305.19 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1308.672 1310.528 1308.69 1310.47 They were good . 1310.47 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1310.784 1313.888 1310.8 1313.888 Yeah it's f kind of fun , it was 1313.04 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1312.528 1312.848 1312.55 1312.71 Yeah . 1312.71 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1315.824 1331.6 1315.84 1331.56 I think it was pretty clever 'cause we were never able to get too far off track because the information came in at the right time and kind of filled in the gaps enough . At the same time you had enough room to kind of just make things up , which was kind of fun . 1326.19 1330.83 1331.56 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1324.16 1324.737 1324.18 1324.67 True . 1324.67 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1330.032 1336.352 1330.05 1336.31 Do your own . Though I did feel like th the level of information dropped off severely over the course of the day . 1331.57 1336.31 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1336.272 1336.816 1336.42 1336.78 Yeah . 1336.78 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1337.68 1347.008 1337.7 1346.72 I mean maybe it's just me but I didn't actually get any information for the last presentation at all . Nothing , I didn't even get an email , like that was it . 1343.26 1344.17 1345.86 1346.72 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1342.649 1345.457 1342.81 1345.3 That's true , I I got this spreadsheet . 1343.27 1345.3 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1348.304 1357.069 1348.42 1356.95 So , yeah , I feel like that was slightly lacking but then you know , fill in the blanks on your own , level of creativity upped . Whatever . 1349.0 1349.3 1352.47 1354.14 1356.25 1356.95 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1356.176 1387.28 1356.2 1387.25 Well I think that was I think that was an issue I kept finding with regard to well no but also yeah when I was reporting about what each of us was doing I was often confused as to what you were doing um and then I also felt like you know a lot of our discussion would centre around n specifically what my task was because that was kind of the interface portion which was what the whole project was about uh but and then in the end I think our jobs kind of melded together a little bit more , which was fine . 1386.57 1387.25 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1359.285 1360.272 1359.54 1360.22 Of what to do . 1360.22 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1364.49 1365.208 1364.7 1365.06 Mm . 1365.06 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1364.581 1365.426 1364.86 1365.27 Mm-hmm . 1365.27 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1366.851 1369.373 1367.07 1369.373 Uh-huh , that wasn't very much . 1367.23 1369.32 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1368.688 1369.057 1368.71 1369.057 You know - ES2009d D FEE036 3 1370.005 1370.539 1370.13 1370.46 Mm . 1370.46 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1377.462 1378.064 1377.48 1378.03 Yeah . 1378.03 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1378.4 1379.059 1378.42 1378.93 Yes . 1378.93 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1380.096 1380.833 1380.14 1380.76 Mm , mm . 1380.48 1380.76 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1380.53 1381.44 1380.64 1381.38 Hmm , very much so . 1380.72 1381.38 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1384.848 1398.48 1384.87 1398.26 Yeah . That was fun . I think the most helpful thing out of everything was getting the the PowerPoint slides already put together for you 'cause if we didn't have that there's no way we could have got all that done in time . 1385.83 1386.62 1398.26 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1394.0 1394.56 1394.02 1394.45 Mm-hmm . 1394.45 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1394.224 1396.966 1394.62 1396.91 Yeah , already having the formatted stuff helped a lot . 1394.98 1396.91 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1398.72 1399.312 1398.74 1399.27 Very much so . 1399.27 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1400.592 1401.248 1400.62 1401.19 Cool . 1401.19 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1402.215 1404.144 1402.3 1403.99 And I think your leadership was quite good . 1403.99 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1404.064 1405.312 1404.08 1405.28 It was really good yeah . 1405.28 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1403.814 1404.588 1404.23 1404.49 Hmm . 1404.49 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1405.28 1412.0 1405.52 1411.94 She said I I I she actually made a comment off boy you're getting into this and I really I think it's true I did get I I felt like I got way too into it . 1411.94 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1410.125 1410.884 1410.38 1410.72 Yeah . 1410.72 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1412.576 1417.296 1412.6 1417.26 That's kind of a good thing though , you know , give the rest of us some structure to work with so hey . 1414.12 1415.08 1417.26 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1413.411 1414.976 1413.44 1414.94 I felt like I slipped into it a lot . 1414.94 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1413.645 1414.652 1413.78 1414.52 It's kinda fun . 1414.52 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1417.568 1418.272 1417.67 1418.17 I dunno . 1418.17 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1417.714 1420.272 1418.0 1420.21 An so is that the first time you've taken on that kind of role ? 1420.21 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1420.272 1429.296 1420.58 1429.19 The first time I've ever done anything like yeah project project management . I usually organise crap , it's one thing to do , you know set up a party with your friends , you know ? 1424.13 1425.18 1425.89 1428.49 1429.19 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1424.069 1424.694 1424.31 1424.59 Hmm . 1424.59 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1427.902 1428.481 1428.03 1428.42 Yeah . 1428.42 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1428.387 1429.13 1428.71 1429.03 Yeah . 1429.03 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1429.696 1430.912 1429.75 1430.51 Little different . 1430.51 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1430.752 1437.74 1430.82 1437.62 But you guys felt that you could keep the , yeah , suspension of disbelief kind of like like the role and the okay ? 1433.64 1434.14 1437.62 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1436.126 1444.946 1436.63 1444.946 Yeah . I except for a couple moments where it just got out of hand and I knew we were all lying through our teeth , other than that 1437.29 1442.24 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1437.248 1437.744 1437.27 1437.71 Yeah . 1437.71 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1440.208 1440.848 1440.23 1440.68 Yeah . 1440.68 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1442.553 1455.005 1442.553 1454.9 I had to admit , as soon as w we started I mean as soon as we got the Play-Doh , th you know the whole concept of really trying to stick with reality went out the window . 1443.87 1449.74 1454.9 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1447.232 1450.199 1447.232 1449.88 I could only imagine . 1449.88 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1453.89 1455.056 1453.96 1454.91 Yeah , yeah . 1454.48 1454.91 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1456.933 1473.12 1457.1 1473.06 Maybe in in Legos you know ? Be fun with Legos too , like make a remote control or spaceship , we used to have spaceship Legos did you guys ever used to build spaceships with Legos everybody knows best spaceships ever . Um you guys felt like there was enough teamwork in all ? 1459.58 1460.56 1462.83 1470.89 1473.06 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1459.407 1460.179 1459.51 1460.1 Possibly . 1460.1 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1465.68 1468.144 1465.89 1467.86 Oh yeah , still have 'em . 1467.23 1467.86 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1466.448 1467.152 1466.59 1467.12 Yeah . 1467.12 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1468.432 1469.104 1468.5 1469.04 Totally . 1469.04 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1473.312 1473.712 1473.33 1473.63 Yeah ? 1473.63 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1473.92 1474.512 1474.0 1474.42 I think so . 1474.42 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1476.048 1476.32 1476.07 1476.28 Yep . 1476.28 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1477.616 1477.872 1477.66 1477.79 Hmm . 1477.79 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1479.872 1480.603 1479.872 1480.55 You don't . 1480.55 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1480.099 1484.166 1480.14 1484.166 No I , no I dunno , I d I I dunno , I don't I I was just I 1480.86 1481.38 1482.34 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1483.776 1502.368 1483.8 1501.84 Though we didn't actually I mean other than minor discussion at meetings there wasn't except for the actual building , but I feel like if this was a team project there actually would have been much more of the collaborative like brainstorming , use the board well and this would have been six months' worth of work , not like three hours' worth of meetings . 1489.67 1495.2 1499.16 1501.84 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1488.96 1489.52 1489.12 1489.49 Yeah . 1489.49 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1489.603 1490.74 1489.78 1490.6 It's true huh ? 1490.6 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1499.952 1500.4 1499.97 1500.36 Yeah . 1500.36 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1502.288 1507.237 1502.32 1507.1 I mean I think had the issue been more serious we probably woulda brainstormed more during our meetings as a team . 1507.1 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1506.384 1507.015 1506.4 1506.87 Yeah . 1506.87 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1506.2 1507.153 1506.46 1507.01 That's true . 1507.01 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1509.232 1521.259 1509.25 1520.93 Yeah . Course I'm I'm conscious of the idea of the Project Manager asking if you guys feel like there's a team you know it's like , kind of like , like hmm . It d 1510.43 1518.24 1519.08 1520.36 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1520.432 1521.312 1520.45 1521.312 Yeah that is kind of - ES2009d A MEE033 0 1522.208 1527.769 1522.23 1527.769 But yeah . Interesting . It's kind of fascinating wasn't it ? I mean the whole process of 1523.43 1524.71 1526.57 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1527.536 1533.76 1527.56 1533.66 Wonder why is there anything about the way that we got so much inform what was it that kept us from going to the the board ? 1533.66 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1534.592 1537.478 1534.68 1537.37 I don't know . I I don't know if there was a ri I th 1535.64 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1536.96 1542.641 1537.03 1542.52 Mine was the mics . I didn't feel like getting up and down and dealing with all these wires , I was afraid I was gonna break something actually . 1537.95 1540.02 1542.52 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1539.744 1547.712 1539.76 1547.68 Yeah , that's it 'cause the mics are loose and each time you get up it's s a possibility of tripping over something or getting tangled or . 1540.36 1547.68 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1543.077 1543.675 1543.23 1543.53 Yeah . 1543.53 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1544.763 1547.187 1544.93 1547.187 Mm . 1547.0 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1545.282 1545.882 1545.41 1545.83 Yeah . 1545.83 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1547.808 1548.346 1547.86 1548.21 Yeah . 1548.21 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1547.689 1550.192 1547.96 1550.15 Well I dunno what I woulda shown on that board . 1550.15 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1550.192 1555.744 1550.21 1555.67 True , but it didn't even occur to me as an option , I mean I don't know that I would have but I know that I consciously didn't . 1551.0 1552.58 1555.67 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1552.802 1553.536 1552.93 1553.5 Nor I . 1553.5 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1556.048 1568.528 1556.07 1568.23 I mean it's just like the paper I don't know what I really needed the paper for . Um , because I've got this laptop . Standard , I just used it 'cause it's literally right in front of me . 1560.13 1561.16 1565.31 1565.84 1568.23 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1559.568 1559.936 1559.59 1559.9 True . 1559.9 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1562.928 1563.312 1562.97 1563.28 Yeah . 1563.28 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1568.452 1568.864 1568.65 1568.83 Yeah . 1568.83 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1568.736 1583.056 1568.81 1582.96 I wanna see the output files from these um , from the digital paper . I wanna see wh wh what my my handwriting looks like digitized because my handwriting is crap . I mean , just to see what it looks like in P_D_F_ format or something . 1571.03 1572.61 1578.27 1578.87 1582.96 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1569.984 1571.518 1570.0 1571.38 Well it looks really professional . 1571.38 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1573.2 1574.129 1573.22 1574.03 I know . 1574.03 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1577.6 1579.12 1577.62 1579.08 Yeah , that's it . 1578.74 1579.08 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1583.104 1586.027 1583.12 1586.027 Usually I would do a lot more doodling too but I didn't because - ES2009d D FEE036 3 1584.872 1597.696 1585.38 1597.12 I know , I felt like I needed to be professional so I didn't like draw all over my paper and stuff . Okay , well not entirely , but still , I doodled less than I usually do . 1585.82 1591.62 1591.92 1593.26 1594.48 1597.12 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1597.844 1602.256 1597.94 1602.13 T I I'm curious about what the de-briefing is gonna be like . You know , like what is the uh 1600.81 1601.11 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1603.584 1605.2 1603.6 1605.17 what exactly we're looking for here . 1605.17 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1605.59 1607.152 1605.69 1606.96 So is this all we need to get through ? 1606.96 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1607.424 1611.082 1607.44 1610.96 I dunno , I'm not sure what the new ideas found i is about . 1607.85 1610.96 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1607.104 1609.149 1608.08 1608.88 I guess . 1608.88 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1610.602 1614.88 1610.63 1614.79 Um . It did it just say in an email that we need to discuss that ? 1612.47 1614.79 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1610.624 1611.664 1610.65 1611.6 New ideas . 1611.6 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1612.316 1613.113 1612.49 1613.113 Is it - ES2009d A MEE033 0 1615.33 1624.256 1615.46 1624.22 Well , that's the thing I got i in the email I got this PowerPoint file but this slide was just there , mm-hmm . I didn't change this one at all . 1616.08 1622.32 1623.04 1624.22 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1621.04 1622.256 1621.06 1622.2 That slide was like that ? 1622.2 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1624.176 1624.528 1624.23 1624.37 Hmm . 1624.37 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1625.696 1626.336 1625.77 1626.3 Well . 1626.3 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1626.56 1627.301 1626.58 1627.23 Um ch - ES2009d B MEE034 1 1626.464 1628.464 1626.83 1628.38 I guess we're on the right track . 1628.38 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1629.063 1630.819 1629.15 1630.819 Yeah well . 1630.56 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1630.128 1637.28 1630.15 1637.28 Any new ideas with regard to remote control concepts ? 1636.94 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1633.392 1636.904 1633.43 1636.76 W I kinda like th - ES2009d B MEE034 1 1635.319 1636.759 1635.41 1636.61 No , none . 1636.27 1636.61 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1636.64 1638.384 1636.66 1638.29 Uh I think they still do their job . 1638.29 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1639.104 1640.656 1639.12 1640.43 I think they're fine actually . 1640.43 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1639.154 1640.016 1639.17 1640.016 Yeah you can't - ES2009d D FEE036 3 1640.208 1646.314 1640.23 1646.314 I am thinking outside the little square box though , with literally in like form I don't 1642.77 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1643.904 1644.272 1643.92 1644.24 Yeah . 1644.24 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1645.648 1648.608 1645.67 1648.52 Yeah , maybe a s a circle would be alright , different . 1645.8 1648.22 1648.52 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1647.824 1648.144 1647.89 1648.08 Yeah . 1648.08 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1648.848 1655.8 1648.88 1655.8 Does kinda make you wonder , I mean , how much can you do with a remote control ? It's like inventing a new car . Yeah yeah , you can 1649.83 1650.76 1652.99 1654.95 1655.37 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1654.817 1658.768 1655.05 1658.49 It's still gotta be technically car shaped or it won't fit on the road , you know ? 1657.91 1658.49 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1657.552 1659.568 1657.552 1659.28 Yeah . 1659.28 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1661.087 1662.61 1661.087 1662.3 Don't know . 1662.3 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1662.832 1663.264 1662.99 1663.16 Hmm . 1663.16 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1664.48 1665.887 1664.48 1665.83 Um . 'Kay . 1665.6 1665.83 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1665.338 1668.609 1665.41 1668.33 What is that ? Our limited ability to think outside the box ? 1665.87 1668.33 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1666.102 1666.874 1666.25 1666.83 Kind of . 1666.83 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1666.444 1668.072 1666.53 1667.98 So this was other costs . 1667.98 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1667.44 1670.467 1667.46 1670.2 Are we back into project mood ? 1670.2 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1668.912 1670.736 1668.93 1670.63 I dunno . I think this is 1669.58 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1670.656 1673.472 1670.68 1673.31 Oh , how long was our meeting supposed to be ? How much time do we have left ? 1670.84 1672.38 1673.31 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1672.632 1677.566 1672.77 1677.48 forty ish I I I mm we should go on a bit yeah about the project eval , um . 1676.9 1677.48 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1679.506 1681.264 1679.84 1681.22 I dunno about you guys but I felt like - ES2009d A MEE033 0 1682.896 1683.312 1682.92 1683.28 a bit - ES2009d A MEE033 0 1685.12 1690.176 1685.14 1690.176 under-stimulated on the whole thing . Like , what like you know what am I really doing , you know what is 1687.06 1687.34 1689.35 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1687.278 1687.728 1687.3 1687.69 Mm . 1687.69 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1690.736 1712.242 1690.76 1712.15 Yeah , at the beginning it started out and I felt actually like under pressure like the first couple were taking a lot of work and I was like had like all this brainstorming I was doing and then suddenly I was like well it's just another two minute presentation that you guys don't really care about anyway so type away . You know , you know what I mean like we all sort of knew where we were headed with it so it didn't feel like it mattered anymore . 1691.56 1705.45 1706.8 1712.15 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1695.76 1696.048 1695.78 1695.99 Yep . 1695.99 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1697.948 1698.663 1698.12 1698.63 Yeah . 1698.63 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1703.792 1707.532 1703.792 1707.24 Why ? Huh I think it was the real . 1705.43 1707.24 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1704.157 1705.787 1704.42 1705.38 Hey . 1705.38 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1708.078 1708.787 1708.11 1708.59 Yeah . 1708.59 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1710.384 1711.008 1710.48 1710.85 Yeah . 1710.85 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1710.431 1721.936 1710.57 1721.5 Definitely when when I first filled out the questionnaire I was marking it probably higher in terms of how much I had to how much I stressed over it and then by the time I got to the last one I was like , you know , not very much . 1720.07 1720.41 1721.5 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1715.808 1716.4 1715.9 1716.37 Mm-hmm . 1716.37 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1720.028 1722.396 1720.49 1722.16 Whatever . Yeah . 1721.89 1722.16 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1721.456 1721.744 1721.49 1721.7 Mm . 1721.7 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1722.158 1732.432 1722.22 1732.38 Think it was also realisation of you basically just copy and paste what's given to you into your presentation which uh wasn't so clear to me at the beginning . 1732.38 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1727.44 1728.416 1727.46 1728.15 Yeah . 1728.15 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1727.857 1729.127 1727.88 1728.97 Very much , yeah . 1728.56 1728.97 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1731.893 1739.084 1731.893 1738.94 I actually didn't do that at all though , every single one I a all the presentations I either added slides or edited 'em . I di 1733.89 1738.75 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1732.43 1732.896 1732.57 1732.86 Mm-hmm . 1732.86 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1738.752 1741.905 1738.77 1741.905 Oh I added like five slides too , but I 1740.97 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1739.329 1741.84 1739.329 1741.77 See I only got blank ones . 1741.77 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1740.4 1740.791 1740.44 1740.68 Oh . 1740.68 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1740.867 1743.264 1740.89 1743.264 Did you really ? I just got blank ones and 1741.97 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1742.839 1743.824 1742.97 1743.79 What ? Really ? 1743.27 1743.79 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1743.744 1747.408 1743.76 1747.37 My slides were all blank , they'd have a title maybe and they were just empty . 1744.73 1747.37 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1745.952 1746.835 1745.97 1746.74 Yeah , mine too . 1746.3 1746.74 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1747.36 1747.792 1747.4 1747.76 Me too . 1747.76 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1747.616 1757.312 1747.64 1757.28 Did they not have they didn't like uh mine yeah they didn't come like this ? Like with this was what it looks like . This is what that looked like , literally , just like that . Interesting . 1750.5 1752.67 1754.03 1754.44 1755.89 1757.28 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1752.42 1754.08 1752.65 1754.04 Like with those words already on it ? 1754.04 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1754.609 1755.175 1754.63 1755.01 No . 1755.01 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1754.768 1755.92 1754.79 1755.73 No . 1755.73 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1755.845 1762.128 1756.02 1762.128 I wondered why yours always looked so more complicated . 1762.0 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1758.461 1760.473 1758.53 1760.44 Uh-huh huh huh . 1760.44 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1759.68 1763.104 1759.7 1762.79 I deleted slides . 1762.79 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1763.152 1764.592 1763.17 1764.56 I think I added a slide one time . 1764.56 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1765.024 1772.234 1765.62 1771.89 I added many slides every time Yeah . 1771.89 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1767.048 1772.122 1767.048 1771.94 Hey with the whole new background being innovative , yeah that was class . 1770.62 1771.94 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1770.464 1774.336 1770.48 1774.08 That was pretty cool , it was a high moment of the whole experiment . 1771.45 1774.08 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1773.088 1776.528 1773.088 1776.25 Um . 1776.25 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1772.961 1773.519 1773.1 1773.37 Mm . 1773.37 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1775.509 1776.258 1775.53 1776.1 Interesting . 1776.1 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1781.184 1782.64 1781.2 1782.57 Any other thoughts come to mind ? 1782.57 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1782.96 1800.866 1783.13 1800.866 I wanna know how our product would fare . I can't just leave it there . I think it would take extensive marketing , okay , an apple with a red button on top , even I am sceptical . But you know the whole 1785.74 1788.65 1792.11 1792.98 1796.05 1799.29 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1785.702 1787.647 1785.8 1787.61 I think it would fail , I think 1787.08 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1788.384 1799.497 1788.4 1799.497 it'd be a huge disaster , especially if it looks like that . 1790.13 1799.04 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1800.688 1803.056 1801.14 1802.87 Even you . 1802.87 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1802.179 1803.376 1802.24 1803.24 Yeah . 1803.24 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1802.489 1805.92 1802.75 1805.8 I don't we kind of designed it to look little bit like a face . 1805.8 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1805.856 1810.137 1805.856 1810.137 Yeah but - ES2009d D FEE036 3 1805.82 1809.627 1806.19 1809.01 I know it is . 1809.01 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1808.192 1809.28 1808.24 1809.24 It's a happy face . 1809.24 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1809.408 1819.472 1809.43 1819.19 Actually that looked a lot more like a tongue from previous to uh fr some other design uh modifications . 1819.19 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1810.556 1811.184 1810.69 1811.03 Mm . 1811.03 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1814.632 1815.718 1815.04 1815.65 Builds . 1815.65 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1820.955 1821.568 1821.17 1821.5 Mm . 1821.5 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1822.493 1832.864 1822.66 1832.864 I hope you appreciate the uh incorporation of some tin foil from a uh random Kit-Kat bar that happened to be consumed . 1832.61 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1827.008 1832.096 1827.008 1832.06 I I noticed that . By accident . 1831.24 1832.06 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1832.02 1834.56 1832.02 1834.53 Interesting . 1834.53 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1836.656 1840.173 1836.68 1840.08 Well huh . An interesting day all in all I would say . 1837.39 1840.08 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1838.803 1839.905 1838.803 1839.905 Yeah , it's uh 1839.32 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1838.912 1840.496 1838.93 1840.21 Uh , yeah , I'd say so . 1839.26 1839.55 1840.21 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1840.56 1848.128 1840.6 1848.09 So again I reiterate my question of how different we are comp compared to the other groups , especially between culture groups and what not . 1846.11 1848.09 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1847.76 1848.584 1847.78 1848.52 I know . 1848.52 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1848.052 1849.168 1848.16 1848.98 Mm , I know . 1848.61 1848.98 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1851.952 1853.088 1851.98 1852.97 Mm . 1852.97 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1852.928 1883.056 1853.01 1883.01 It seemed like everything flowed pretty logically . You know from the the the basics to the conce although the whole concepts thing , the whole concepts phase , I don't think I really understood like the concept . Well the id okay the notion of yeah I mean i it's not like I have a concept of a mug's material , it's just it is what it is . You know , maybe i rather than concepts i it should be th thought of we sh I I thought of I thought of rather than in terms of concepts I thought of it in terms of um like 1855.26 1860.01 1861.2 1864.58 1870.98 1873.42 1873.67 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1852.964 1853.857 1853.09 1853.857 I wanna see a - ES2009d D FEE036 3 1853.374 1853.829 1853.7 1853.73 I - ES2009d D FEE036 3 1856.625 1857.391 1856.85 1857.11 Yeah . 1857.11 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1865.52 1867.584 1866.0 1867.55 'Cause it's such a functional item . 1867.55 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1873.008 1873.704 1873.06 1873.49 Yeah . 1873.49 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1884.16 1894.624 1884.77 1894.28 proposed idea . And then the final would be like th the actual specified prototype or whatever , I dunno . But . 1887.04 1890.96 1894.0 1894.28 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1886.836 1887.394 1887.07 1887.25 Mm . 1887.25 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1896.48 1896.964 1896.65 1896.78 Hmm . 1896.78 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1896.768 1900.224 1896.79 1899.59 All in all it's kinda interesting . 1899.59 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1898.384 1898.752 1898.41 1898.72 Mm . 1898.72 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1900.144 1901.76 1900.16 1901.71 So we have more slides or ? 1901.71 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1902.272 1908.708 1902.3 1908.708 No just this closing one . No we've established that the costs weren't really within budget , but we could s you know do it 1904.17 1906.7 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1908.256 1909.264 1908.28 1909.23 We got it to be . 1909.23 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1910.397 1918.0 1910.52 1918.0 We did the project evaluation based on um Sarah's evaluation of on off switches and - ES2009d D FEE036 3 1910.427 1911.537 1910.55 1911.48 Like cutting corners . 1911.48 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1916.789 1922.987 1916.88 1922.93 Kind of , though it was really technically an evaluation of the product , not the project in general . 1917.47 1920.83 1922.93 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1922.832 1924.693 1922.88 1924.64 Mm . True . 1924.02 1924.64 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1923.632 1924.482 1923.65 1924.27 Mm . 1924.27 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1923.904 1931.04 1923.92 1931.01 Which I'm not sure is the same thing , at the time that just i made more sense , but I could see if they were really asking about us . 1925.15 1927.2 1931.01 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1931.92 1932.672 1932.01 1932.63 Yeah . 1932.63 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1934.704 1937.408 1934.87 1937.35 'Cause we di we had a thu think about it . Um . 1936.83 1937.35 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1939.36 1939.84 1939.38 1939.74 Yeah . 1939.74 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1943.12 1959.664 1943.14 1959.63 And it's all recorded , woo-hoo . Yeah what I'm gonna I'm gonna put um I'm supposed to do this final report thing at the end so I'll put all that into the final report as well , or as much as seems like maybe not like the articles and stuff , like because and if and so forth , but I'll put most of it in the reports . 1944.0 1944.7 1951.4 1955.89 1958.17 1959.63 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1944.597 1945.516 1944.7 1945.35 Yay . 1945.35 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1944.607 1945.325 1944.95 1945.29 Hmm . 1945.29 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1955.877 1956.386 1955.99 1956.34 I - ES2009d D FEE036 3 1958.512 1961.852 1958.512 1961.69 Make it sound eloquent . 1961.69 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1958.892 1962.384 1958.892 1962.34 It'd be so cool if we get a copy of the recording . 1962.34 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1963.184 1973.632 1963.21 1973.53 Oh , I have to done I've I've done transcription before and it's really ridiculous how many words people say like just in the middle of their sentences like that that mean nothing . 1963.52 1973.53 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1965.648 1966.711 1965.648 1966.6 Nice . 1966.6 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1970.896 1971.232 1970.95 1971.2 Oh yeah . 1971.2 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1974.192 1977.056 1974.21 1977.02 There's a whole branch of psychology that looks into that , psycholinguistics . 1976.1 1977.02 ES2009d C MEE035 2 1977.088 1978.481 1977.11 1978.481 What the uhs and the - ES2009d B MEE034 1 1976.998 1977.583 1977.26 1977.55 Really . 1977.55 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1977.478 1982.16 1977.65 1982.12 There's a guy studying it here , yeah , he's studying ums and ahs or something . Yeah . 1978.9 1979.23 1981.78 1982.12 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1979.568 1980.592 1979.75 1980.56 Filler words or ? 1980.56 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1980.976 1982.848 1981.01 1982.8 Yep , they're called um disfluencies . 1981.43 1982.8 ES2009d B MEE034 1 1983.088 1984.272 1983.11 1984.06 Disfluencies . 1984.06 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1984.288 1985.168 1984.32 1985.13 That's a good word for it . 1985.13 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1985.92 1990.016 1985.94 1989.96 Yeah we like our fancy phrases and terminologies for things . 1989.96 ES2009d D FEE036 3 1989.568 1991.76 1989.59 1991.72 Just add some prefixes , sounds classier . 1990.91 1991.72 ES2009d A MEE033 0 1991.728 1997.472 1991.75 1997.36 Exactly uh I will save this into the - ES2009d A MEE033 0 1999.968 2001.676 1999.99 2001.52 project documents . 2001.52 ES2009d B MEE034 1 2000.244 2006.732 2000.41 2006.67 I find myself hitting the send and receive button on the email a lot , just out of boredom , like c come on gimme something . 2003.43 2004.45 2006.67 ES2009d D FEE036 3 2003.136 2008.082 2003.16 2008.082 I , yeah , pretty compulsively during meetings , like , yeah . 2003.47 2004.05 2005.95 2006.43 2007.83 ES2009d C MEE035 2 2003.083 2003.864 2003.39 2003.6 Mm . 2003.6 ES2009d A MEE033 0 2003.038 2013.6 2003.45 2013.6 Yeah . Oh yeah . Yeah I know . Come on give me some information . Well to be fair we're we're hooked we're all hooked on the internet , so I mean I do the 2003.7 2005.38 2007.76 2009.29 2012.47 ES2009d D FEE036 3 2011.936 2014.32 2012.33 2014.26 Yeah , we are addicts . 2013.27 2014.26 ES2009d C MEE035 2 2014.895 2016.352 2015.15 2016.08 That's scary yeah ? 2016.08 ES2009d B MEE034 1 2016.208 2017.056 2016.27 2017.02 It is scary . 2017.02 ES2009d D FEE036 3 2016.976 2017.456 2017.0 2017.41 Mm . 2017.41 ES2009d C MEE035 2 2017.488 2019.888 2017.51 2019.888 Well just around that eight or or nine people that are - ES2009d A MEE033 0 2018.72 2031.856 2018.95 2031.81 I know , imagine we went the first ten y fifteen years of our lives without the internet . It's only in the last ten that we're like where's the internet ? I mean , you know , it just in the past five we've gone from twenty eight eight modems to broadband all the time . 2019.1 2023.69 2026.92 2027.16 2027.47 2031.81 ES2009d D FEE036 3 2025.424 2026.24 2025.44 2025.86 Yeah . 2025.86 ES2009d D FEE036 3 2028.339 2029.204 2028.7 2029.14 I yeah . 2029.14 ES2009d C MEE035 2 2032.384 2035.552 2032.4 2035.4 Dude , I think we've had internet for like eighteen years . 2032.73 2035.4 ES2009d D FEE036 3 2032.414 2033.118 2032.55 2032.97 True . 2032.97 ES2009d A MEE033 0 2035.744 2040.169 2035.99 2040.05 No we have but I not in the sense that it's so un you know uh ubiquitous - ES2009d D FEE036 3 2036.277 2038.137 2036.34 2037.92 I yeah . 2037.92 ES2009d B MEE034 1 2038.736 2039.34 2038.76 2039.28 Yeah . 2039.28 ES2009d D FEE036 3 2039.024 2044.064 2039.04 2044.03 But it's not regular I mean my grandparents had it in the eighties and I got it in ninety four , but still . 2043.31 2044.03 ES2009d B MEE034 1 2044.208 2046.688 2044.23 2046.688 It's crazy . So 2046.11 ES2009d D FEE036 3 2045.232 2046.016 2045.232 2045.98 Uh-huh . 2045.98 ES2009d C MEE035 2 2046.848 2047.936 2046.87 2047.85 In the eighties ? 2047.85 ES2009d D FEE036 3 2048.096 2061.92 2048.12 2061.82 My um grammy does computer science back in the States and so they had um an E_D_U_ and gov network . There's basically the fundamental structures , but it wasn't uh household to household yet because it hadn't been 2054.57 2057.16 ES2009d A MEE033 0 2054.064 2055.04 2054.2 2054.6 Mm . 2054.6 ES2009d C MEE035 2 2060.352 2060.656 2060.38 2060.62 Right . 2060.62 ES2009d C MEE035 2 2062.32 2065.625 2062.34 2065.48 Yeah , it was to the like seven universities or something . 2062.49 2065.48 ES2009d D FEE036 3 2063.712 2066.896 2063.73 2066.71 partitioned off and stuff , yeah that was him . 2065.17 2066.71 ES2009d C MEE035 2 2069.241 2071.04 2069.35 2070.94 You guys ready to celebrate ? 2070.94 ES2009d A MEE033 0 2071.229 2074.01 2071.67 2073.97 Yeah that's our last step . Celebration . 2072.96 2073.97 ES2009d D FEE036 3 2071.376 2075.532 2071.92 2075.532 Apparently , does that include like champagne or something exciting ? 2072.43 2075.31 ES2009d B MEE034 1 2074.528 2075.904 2074.528 2075.85 Should . 2075.85 ES2009d D FEE036 3 2076.032 2077.138 2076.18 2077.04 I think so . 2077.04 ES2009d A MEE033 0 2076.043 2081.248 2076.26 2081.11 'Kay I guess we can probably call that meeting to an end for the most part . Cool . 2080.78 2081.11 ES2009d D FEE036 3 2078.848 2080.336 2078.97 2080.27 I think that's a closer . 2080.27 ES2009d B MEE034 1 2080.726 2083.424 2080.83 2083.39 Has it been forty minutes or whatever ? this has been long enough . 2082.59 2083.39 ES2009d C MEE035 2 2084.064 2085.936 2084.064 2085.8 Celebrate . 2085.8 ES2009d A MEE033 0 2087.072 2087.968 2087.09 2087.93 Where do you find that ? 2087.93 ES2009d D FEE036 3 2088.322 2089.68 2088.322 2089.64 I have no idea . 2089.64 ES2009d B MEE034 1 2090.304 2091.92 2090.32 2091.76 Is that the only song you have ? 2091.76 ES2009d C MEE035 2 2091.936 2094.342 2091.96 2094.342 There is another one . 2093.15 ES2009d A MEE033 0 2093.504 2094.688 2093.52 2094.65 Is this one of those media player ? 2094.65 ES2009d C MEE035 2 2095.2 2098.298 2095.25 2095.69 Huh ? Yep . 2095.69 2098.19 ES2009d A MEE033 0 2095.754 2104.608 2095.85 2104.48 W oh . The default track . I thought it was David Burns , look into the eyeball . That's one that seems to be shipping with it uh shipped with for a while , maybe this is the new version . 2096.98 2098.23 2099.54 2100.72 2103.49 2104.48 ES2009d B MEE034 1 2095.974 2096.688 2096.02 2096.64 That's awesome . 2096.64 ES2009d B MEE034 1 2097.904 2099.232 2097.92 2098.74 Maybe I have a different one . 2098.74 ES2009d D FEE036 3 2105.84 2106.976 2105.86 2106.74 So is that a close ? 2106.74 ES2009d A MEE033 0 2107.152 2110.865 2107.17 2110.65 Yeah , I guess we'll call that a a doner . Fab . 2107.48 2109.94 2110.65 ES2009d D FEE036 3 2107.796 2109.744 2107.99 2109.71 Okay , that's the end of the meeting . 2108.45 2109.71 ES2009d D FEE036 3 2111.072 2111.824 2111.09 2111.73 Thank you gentlemen . 2111.73 ES2009d D FEE036 3 2113.747 2114.944 2113.96 2114.9 I feel like I'm signing off . 2114.9 ES2010a A FEE037 0 19.123 40.672 19.21 40.55 Okay . Hi everybody and welcome to our kick-off meeting um for our new product that we're gonna be designing . Um I'm Mandy and I'm the Project Manager . And I know all your names again , Courtney , Fenella and Amber . Alright . Okay , so first let's go through this PowerPoint . 19.91 25.92 29.12 30.83 32.46 35.53 36.55 37.17 40.55 ES2010a D FEE040 3 31.648 32.048 31.73 31.95 Yep . 31.95 ES2010a B FEE038 1 34.912 36.496 35.42 36.11 Yep . 36.11 ES2010a A FEE037 0 41.882 43.76 42.08 43.59 I wonder what button I press ? 43.59 ES2010a C FEE039 2 44.576 46.32 44.6 46.26 Just do it on the arrow . 46.26 ES2010a A FEE037 0 47.146 69.264 47.17 69.21 Yeah , or how about I just click ? Okay , here is our agenda for this meeting . Um we're gonna start with our opening which was our introductions . We're gonna get to know each other a little bit better . Um tool training , we're going to , I guess , figure out what to do on this project with our individual roles . Um we're gonna make a project plan and then have some time for discussion and close up the meeting . 47.53 49.11 49.44 51.76 55.12 57.24 59.36 60.61 61.21 64.76 69.21 ES2010a A FEE037 0 70.96 79.379 70.99 79.13 Okay , here is our project . We're gonna make a new remote control that's um original , trendy and also user-friendly . 71.64 73.04 76.92 79.13 ES2010a A FEE037 0 84.512 133.824 84.53 133.74 And how we are going to do it is each of us is going to um We're gonna have discuss the functional design first , how is it gonna be used , what's the actual goal here , it has to operate T_V_ , blah blah blah . And we're going to do individual work on that and then meet . Same thing with conceptual design . Just the basic overview of the project and then we're going to do individual work , meet . That's pretty much the the whole process for today . And then the detailed design , just more in-depth , get the actual schematics of the remote . Okay . Alright . First we're gonna start off by using our tools . And the whiteboard thing , do you guys wanna give that a try even though the ink wasn't working or do you wanna do it on here . 93.51 95.21 96.45 97.93 98.88 102.11 104.67 110.07 110.4 113.75 115.2 116.36 120.82 122.23 123.39 127.7 129.28 133.74 ES2010a B FEE038 1 134.656 138.48 134.9 138.44 I think we should forgo the whiteboard since we can't actually see what we're writing . 138.44 ES2010a D FEE040 3 137.072 137.408 137.09 137.408 We could - ES2010a D FEE040 3 138.4 139.744 138.42 139.68 Yeah , we could on here . 138.92 139.68 ES2010a A FEE037 0 139.73 151.043 139.79 150.98 Alright , let's go forward then . Um right now so we're all gonna draw our favourite animal and then sum up our favourite characteristics of that animal . Even if you are not a good drawer like me . Alright . 140.18 141.38 148.06 150.56 150.98 ES2010a B FEE038 1 150.064 153.2 150.57 151.96 Artistic skills , nil . 151.52 151.96 ES2010a C FEE039 2 151.998 152.796 152.12 152.49 Fine . 152.49 ES2010a A FEE037 0 152.839 153.579 152.9 153.51 Um . 153.51 ES2010a D FEE040 3 164.185 167.616 164.185 167.616 Oh , thanks . 165.68 167.57 ES2010a A FEE037 0 164.864 165.488 164.98 165.36 Bless you . 165.36 ES2010a B FEE038 1 186.18 189.712 186.18 189.62 I draw like I'm in grade five . 189.62 ES2010a A FEE037 0 189.008 191.28 189.008 190.81 Oh do I . 190.81 ES2010a A FEE037 0 218.848 220.656 218.94 220.47 'Kay , about one more minute . 219.07 220.47 ES2010a A FEE037 0 241.491 243.276 241.491 242.35 Okay . 242.35 ES2010a A FEE037 0 245.584 248.016 245.6 247.77 Okay . And who would like to start us off ? 246.36 247.77 ES2010a D FEE040 3 249.28 266.944 249.41 266.91 I'll go . Um this is my picture . I drew fish I like fish , because uh , you know , their whole water-vascular system thing . It's pretty cool , and um they've got a pretty good habitat and they are pretty sometimes , sometimes vicious but that's okay . Yeah . 250.62 252.88 254.85 256.77 257.19 259.31 260.21 264.86 266.73 266.91 ES2010a A FEE037 0 250.077 250.481 250.15 250.39 Alright . 250.39 ES2010a A FEE037 0 265.936 269.533 265.936 269.01 Only if they're piranhas . 269.01 ES2010a D FEE040 3 268.368 270.56 268.39 270.39 Yeah , they they're easy , you know . 268.73 270.04 270.39 ES2010a D FEE040 3 271.812 272.384 272.02 272.23 Yeah . 272.23 ES2010a A FEE037 0 272.373 275.605 272.46 275.55 Alright . Who wants to go next ? 274.73 275.55 ES2010a B FEE038 1 276.624 283.776 276.76 283.73 I'll go . I drew a kitty . It's pretty much impossible to tell that's a cat , but I love cats . 278.15 279.7 282.05 283.73 ES2010a D FEE040 3 281.92 284.864 282.07 284.8 No I I see it . Yeah , it does look like a cat . 283.76 283.97 284.8 ES2010a C FEE039 2 282.56 283.522 282.58 283.34 No , I kne I knew . 282.73 283.34 ES2010a A FEE037 0 282.224 284.275 283.03 284.03 No , it looks like a cat . 283.27 284.03 ES2010a B FEE038 1 285.344 292.256 285.36 292.256 I love cats because they're independent , uh they pretty much know what they want , they get it , they move on . 288.11 290.24 291.26 291.79 ES2010a A FEE037 0 293.92 296.24 294.06 296.08 I love cats , too . I'm a cat person . 294.64 295.37 296.08 ES2010a C FEE039 2 295.203 295.794 295.31 295.54 Yeah . 295.54 ES2010a D FEE040 3 296.32 300.016 296.34 300.016 I'm allergic to cats . Oh , okay . 299.1 299.35 299.85 ES2010a C FEE039 2 297.574 298.341 297.63 297.95 Ah . 297.95 ES2010a A FEE037 0 297.488 298.864 297.74 298.73 Uh . 298.73 ES2010a B FEE038 1 297.48 300.176 297.78 300.176 I'm allergic to cats , too . 298.64 300.08 ES2010a A FEE037 0 299.984 307.743 300.0 307.41 If you're around one I had a roommate who was um allergic , but if she was around my cat forever she became used to it , you know , it's weird . 303.54 306.42 306.84 307.41 ES2010a C FEE039 2 299.94 301.122 300.08 301.05 In my next life . 301.05 ES2010a D FEE040 3 305.936 308.4 306.05 308.4 Yeah , yeah , if you're around them for a long period of time 306.5 306.7 ES2010a B FEE038 1 308.336 310.096 308.4 310.04 I still can't sleep with them in my room . 310.04 ES2010a A FEE037 0 308.452 311.449 308.64 311.449 Okay . 310.32 ES2010a D FEE040 3 310.432 315.504 310.45 315.47 Oh , yeah , this summer I , oh I had to live with cats . It was crazy . Yeah . 310.57 310.98 311.98 313.72 315.35 315.47 ES2010a A FEE037 0 315.268 316.544 315.43 316.32 Okay , Fenella ? 316.1 316.32 ES2010a C FEE039 2 316.272 318.704 316.29 318.704 Um , I drew a badger . 316.75 318.55 ES2010a D FEE040 3 318.544 320.848 318.79 320.848 Cool . 320.66 ES2010a B FEE038 1 318.755 320.016 318.99 319.98 Yay . 319.98 ES2010a A FEE037 0 319.302 322.564 319.36 322.45 Badger . Good choice . Why a badger ? 320.79 321.69 322.45 ES2010a C FEE039 2 319.562 322.163 319.562 322.13 Well , yeah . Uh 320.28 321.85 ES2010a C FEE039 2 322.88 327.408 323.02 327.408 I dunno , they're grumpy and nocturnal and 323.59 ES2010a B FEE038 1 325.801 328.384 325.801 328.19 Are you trying to suggest something ? 328.19 ES2010a C FEE039 2 328.736 339.952 328.87 339.92 Well , a little bit like the Yes . Um . And then , if you know Wind in the Willows badger . Yeah and then uh I don't know if you know Brian . He's Liverpudlian writer . 329.33 330.37 331.3 331.97 335.09 338.14 339.92 ES2010a D FEE040 3 334.368 335.184 334.44 335.14 Oh , okay . 334.54 335.14 ES2010a A FEE037 0 339.936 341.648 340.16 340.52 Alright . 340.52 ES2010a C FEE039 2 340.648 347.107 340.77 347.107 Um , that kind of books . Badgers are cool in that one too . 341.65 344.48 347.0 ES2010a A FEE037 0 347.008 402.608 347.08 402.57 Okay . And I'm last . 'Kay . Look at my sad sad giraffe . No , no , no , it ends up looking like some kind of a dinosaur , but whatever . I don't know even much about giraffes , but I just love the way they look . They're just such odd creatures , you know . I I like that they're so unique and individual , I guess . I don't know much about their behaviour or anything , though . Only seen a couple in zoos . Yeah , but you can appreciate the way they look . Okay . Alright . Guess we're getting straight back into business here . Um the selling price for our remote is going to be twenty-five Euro , and our profit aim is fifty million Euro . We're going to make this an international product marketed in the States , in Europe , in Asia . And um our production cost to make that profit is gonna be a max of twelve fifty Euro per remote . 348.14 349.86 350.27 352.67 352.94 353.07 353.24 354.97 356.11 358.23 360.14 362.02 362.85 365.67 366.41 368.09 368.96 370.53 370.83 372.77 376.09 376.81 379.13 384.94 388.9 393.28 394.05 395.45 402.57 ES2010a D FEE040 3 351.696 353.337 351.72 352.71 No , that's good . 351.95 352.71 ES2010a D FEE040 3 369.361 371.744 369.49 371.744 You don't really have to , I mean , if you like 'em 370.47 371.03 ES2010a A FEE037 0 408.24 425.317 408.26 425.11 Okay . So we're gonna talk for a little while . Um here are some topics that we might be able to discuss . Expe our experiences with remote controls um , our first ideas about this new remote , anything that you can bring to the table for this project . So . 410.16 411.97 415.46 418.83 420.76 424.9 425.11 ES2010a C FEE039 2 426.144 426.64 426.25 426.58 Now ? 426.58 ES2010a A FEE037 0 427.232 430.768 427.25 430.65 Yeah . You wanna start us off ? Anybody have anything to offer ? 428.27 429.45 430.65 ES2010a B FEE038 1 430.944 435.424 431.02 435.36 Well , we wanna make a multifunctional remote , right ? One remote for everything . 431.18 433.01 433.87 435.36 ES2010a A FEE037 0 433.536 433.824 433.56 433.79 Right . 433.79 ES2010a C FEE039 2 436.032 448.583 436.05 448.28 And everything being Wait , we have what , sound system , T_V_ , D_V_D_ , V_H_S_ , uh TiVo ? 438.75 439.74 441.75 443.38 444.76 446.69 448.28 ES2010a D FEE040 3 435.792 436.288 436.08 436.25 Right . 436.25 ES2010a B FEE038 1 438.32 439.533 438.49 439.47 Um . 439.47 ES2010a B FEE038 1 447.104 449.616 447.12 449.58 I think they'll be phasing V_H_S_ out shortly . 449.58 ES2010a D FEE040 3 448.272 449.033 448.29 449.0 Yeah , TiVo . 448.49 449.0 ES2010a A FEE037 0 449.039 450.288 449.46 450.2 TiVo . 450.2 ES2010a C FEE039 2 450.528 451.968 450.55 451.9 But it's still there , so 451.45 ES2010a B FEE038 1 452.192 452.56 452.21 452.52 Okay . 452.52 ES2010a C FEE039 2 452.724 454.256 452.8 454.256 if po if we're gonna do it - ES2010a D FEE040 3 454.992 458.394 455.01 458.36 It needs to be compatible 'cause universal remote controls are never universal . 458.36 ES2010a A FEE037 0 457.984 471.238 458.0 471.11 They're never universal . That's right . Esp e especially if you buy a a not big product , D_V_D_ player , say , usually it doesn't work if it's not one of the Yeah . Yeah . Something from Sam's club . 459.3 459.74 464.62 465.45 465.75 469.36 470.07 471.11 ES2010a C FEE039 2 466.64 470.083 466.69 469.66 Or if it's not like a Sony , if it's like a I don't know . 467.7 469.66 ES2010a B FEE038 1 470.012 475.216 470.11 475.17 So we'll have to figure it how to cover all the different variances in signals . 475.17 ES2010a A FEE037 0 475.04 475.984 475.48 475.73 Yeah . 475.73 ES2010a D FEE040 3 475.488 482.352 475.51 482.32 And what we need an insanely good instruction booklet , because you always have to reconfigure all your contraptions to go with the remote anyways . 478.01 482.32 ES2010a A FEE037 0 479.984 480.64 480.05 480.33 Yeah . 480.33 ES2010a A FEE037 0 485.319 506.864 485.41 506.81 'Kay , and um another thing that I think is important is the d the design of the product , how it feels in your hand . If it's just flat and kind of boring th those don't Nobody wants to buy those any more . They want the ergonomic ones . Yeah . Ones that ones that look high-tech , too . 485.77 491.24 493.03 499.15 501.07 502.19 506.32 506.81 ES2010a D FEE040 3 500.112 503.728 500.13 503.69 They want like the flashy lights . Oh like this came from Las Vegas . 501.59 503.69 ES2010a C FEE039 2 506.848 508.112 506.87 508.08 But at the same time are simple . 508.08 ES2010a D FEE040 3 508.208 508.736 508.25 508.7 Mm yeah . 508.7 ES2010a A FEE037 0 508.032 512.033 508.27 511.88 Right . So that people like my mother can use it . 510.2 511.88 ES2010a B FEE038 1 509.888 514.725 510.44 514.2 What about something with the curvature like that matches the curvature of a hand ? 514.2 ES2010a A FEE037 0 514.304 514.992 514.44 514.63 Yeah . 514.63 ES2010a A FEE037 0 519.36 523.744 519.45 523.744 'Kay . Anybody have any experiences with remote controls that they can remember that 520.36 ES2010a C FEE039 2 523.76 526.336 524.01 526.336 Just bad ones . 525.84 ES2010a A FEE037 0 525.104 528.128 525.12 528.06 Yeah . That's true . 526.21 528.06 ES2010a C FEE039 2 527.024 527.632 527.14 527.6 Um . 527.6 ES2010a B FEE038 1 529.04 534.672 529.06 534.59 What kinda battery would we want to use ? Because battery changing is usually Okay . 531.21 534.59 ES2010a C FEE039 2 531.573 532.081 531.64 531.91 D - ES2010a C FEE039 2 532.562 533.456 532.77 533.34 Double A_ . 533.34 ES2010a D FEE040 3 533.376 534.112 533.4 534.03 Double A_ . 534.03 ES2010a A FEE037 0 535.504 537.392 535.52 537.33 Do some of them use triple A_s though ? 537.33 ES2010a D FEE040 3 537.344 540.096 537.37 540.01 Yeah some use triple A_s . So double or triple ? 538.58 540.01 ES2010a C FEE039 2 538.523 539.472 538.54 539.472 Some but - ES2010a A FEE037 0 538.592 539.168 538.79 539.05 Okay . 539.05 ES2010a C FEE039 2 540.48 542.128 540.52 542.128 Yeah , I guess then it's 541.06 ES2010a C FEE039 2 543.76 547.488 543.78 547.45 If we need to do triple A_ we can , but most people usually have double A_s around . 545.13 547.45 ES2010a A FEE037 0 547.6 554.528 547.7 554.528 Okay . Yeah . But that has to do with the size of it too . Well , w as long as we know that issue is 548.18 549.5 552.01 552.24 ES2010a C FEE039 2 551.172 552.026 551.46 551.7 Right . 551.7 ES2010a B FEE038 1 551.84 552.239 551.86 552.09 Yeah . 552.09 ES2010a D FEE040 3 555.232 558.24 555.25 558.21 Yeah , if we want it to be more thin , then we'd probably wanna go with a triple A_ . 555.41 556.7 558.21 ES2010a A FEE037 0 555.6 556.464 555.62 556.464 Here we can - ES2010a A FEE037 0 557.84 569.568 557.86 569.28 Triple A . But it's okay , we don't have to decide about it now , just as long as we remember battery type and size is important . Hey . Anything else ? 559.07 561.4 563.02 567.25 567.79 569.28 ES2010a B FEE038 1 558.908 560.976 558.93 560.91 Can you with a small lithium battery ? 560.91 ES2010a A FEE037 0 574.528 575.888 574.58 575.82 Alright . Moving along . 575.0 575.82 ES2010a A FEE037 0 577.104 596.944 577.2 596.944 Oh , we're closing the meeting . Next meeting is gonna start in thirty minutes . Here's what we're going to do . Um the I_D_ , which is who ? Okay , you're going to think about the working design . What do you think that means ? 577.84 579.4 582.08 584.04 585.64 587.0 588.68 593.13 596.53 ES2010a A FEE037 0 598.448 618.08 598.5 617.94 Okay . And U_I_D_ , the technical fun functions design , making sure it does everything that we need the remote to do , the functionality of it , operating all those different things . Okay . And the marketing person , that's Courtney , is going to do the user requirements specification . 599.2 601.98 603.68 606.35 607.83 609.74 610.49 613.15 614.23 617.94 ES2010a C FEE039 2 600.56 601.984 600.59 601.81 Mm-hmm . 601.81 ES2010a A FEE037 0 619.12 636.384 619.14 636.28 I guess that means specifying um what exactly the user is going to be looking for . Right ? I would think so . Okay . And you're gonna get more specific instructions emailed to you in just a little while . Okay , so does anybody have anything they wanna say before we close the meeting ? 626.29 627.14 627.89 628.62 633.45 633.83 636.28 ES2010a D FEE040 3 626.768 627.406 626.79 627.18 Right . 627.18 ES2010a A FEE037 0 637.52 641.157 638.14 640.77 Okay . This meeting is officially over . 639.63 640.77 ES2010b A FEE037 0 85.28 102.72 85.33 102.67 Okay . Um welcome to our second meeting . This is the functional design meeting . And I hope you all had a good individual working time . Okay , let's get started . Okay , here's the agenda for the meeting . After the opening um I am going to 86.61 88.79 91.33 94.67 94.97 96.99 97.25 99.07 ES2010b A FEE037 0 103.76 122.88 103.99 122.88 fulfil the role of secretary , take the meeting minutes . And we're gonna have three presentations , one from each of you . Then we're gonna discuss some new project requirements . Um gonna come to a decision on the functions of the remote control . And then we're gonna close up the meeting . And we're gonna do this all in about forty minutes . 105.77 107.18 108.64 109.94 112.78 117.2 119.75 122.27 ES2010b A FEE037 0 122.88 149.28 123.43 149.23 Okay . First I want to discuss the goals of this meeting . First we need to determine the user requirements and the question that we can ask ourselves is what needs and desires are to be fulfilled by this remote control . And then we're going to determine the technical functions , what is the effect of the apparatus , what actually is it supposed to do , what do people pick up the remote and use it for . 124.65 127.45 137.96 141.94 144.21 146.95 149.23 ES2010b A FEE037 0 151.68 159.072 151.7 159.072 And then lastly we're going to determine its working design , how exactly will it perform its functions , that's the whole technical side of 154.96 157.33 ES2010b A FEE037 0 162.416 166.0 162.57 165.94 'Kay I'll just give you a minute , 'cause it looks like you're making some notes . 164.46 165.94 ES2010b A FEE037 0 169.792 170.384 169.82 170.16 'Kay . 170.16 ES2010b A FEE037 0 172.416 186.224 172.44 186.19 Oh , well let's go ahead and , back , previous . So what I wanna do right now is hear from all three of you , on your research that you just did . Who would like to start us off ? 173.25 176.01 176.98 179.35 182.32 185.25 186.19 ES2010b C FEE039 2 190.16 191.289 190.18 191.25 I don't mind going first . 191.25 ES2010b A FEE037 0 190.119 190.701 190.3 190.56 'Kay . 190.56 ES2010b A FEE037 0 191.568 194.928 191.61 194.89 Okay . Um do you have a PowerPoint or no ? 193.04 194.89 ES2010b C FEE039 2 194.864 197.316 194.88 197.2 Yeah , it's in the should be in the m Project . 195.27 197.2 ES2010b A FEE037 0 196.544 196.944 196.58 196.91 Okay . 196.91 ES2010b D FEE040 3 196.864 198.493 196.88 198.493 Do you want us to do our PowerPoints now or - ES2010b C FEE039 2 198.208 201.152 198.23 201.1 You know you could you could do it yourself actually . 201.1 ES2010b A FEE037 0 201.312 201.744 201.34 201.67 Oh . 201.67 ES2010b B FEE038 1 201.712 202.704 201.8 202.55 Did you send it ? 202.55 ES2010b A FEE037 0 203.136 205.28 203.16 205.25 Save it in the project documents . Okay . 205.0 205.25 ES2010b C FEE039 2 203.216 205.016 203.24 204.98 Put it in Project Documents , yeah . 204.72 204.98 ES2010b A FEE037 0 211.536 212.816 212.33 212.76 Mm-mm-mm . 212.76 ES2010b A FEE037 0 216.384 220.0 217.03 219.66 This one ? Okay . 218.95 219.66 ES2010b C FEE039 2 218.176 219.008 218.2 219.008 Sure . 218.6 ES2010b C FEE039 2 222.128 222.432 222.15 222.4 Yeah . 222.4 ES2010b B FEE038 1 224.368 226.175 224.63 226.07 Okay . Great . 225.64 226.07 ES2010b C FEE039 2 224.88 225.386 224.9 225.26 Okay . 225.26 ES2010b C FEE039 2 228.624 244.608 228.64 244.57 Um well , the function of a remote control , as what uh we've been informed , is basically to send messages to the television set , for example , switch it on , switch it off , go to this channel , go to channel nine , turn the volume up , etcetera . 230.22 232.13 235.25 238.98 239.73 240.39 241.49 242.31 243.25 244.05 244.57 ES2010b C FEE039 2 249.328 260.672 249.35 260.57 Um some of the considerations is just um for example the what it needs to include it's the numbers , you know , zero to nine , so you can move to a channel , the power button on slash off , 255.98 256.22 256.99 258.66 260.57 ES2010b C FEE039 2 263.44 265.296 263.46 265.26 the channel going up and down , 265.26 ES2010b C FEE039 2 266.752 268.912 266.77 268.81 volume going up and down , and then mute , 268.12 268.81 ES2010b C FEE039 2 270.448 292.784 270.47 292.75 a mute function . And then functions for V_H_S_ , D_V_D_ , for example , play , rewind , fast-forward , stop , pause , enter . And enter would be for like , you know , the menus . And then other menus for D_V_ as well as T_V_ , whether that means like um we can go and decide the brightness of the screen , things like that , all the more complicated functions of menus . 271.99 273.51 274.14 275.01 275.39 275.92 276.39 276.73 277.1 278.3 279.54 279.76 281.83 285.18 290.07 290.59 292.75 ES2010b C FEE039 2 294.864 301.856 294.88 301.82 And we can decide if that's what we want , , um if we want to include that on the remote , if that's something that would stay on the T_V_ itself , for example . 296.86 296.86 298.82 301.2 301.82 ES2010b A FEE037 0 297.269 297.803 297.36 297.58 Okay . 297.58 ES2010b A FEE037 0 302.032 302.368 302.07 302.33 Okay . 302.33 ES2010b C FEE039 2 303.376 338.416 303.4 338.37 These are two examples . Um and you can see on the left , it's got a lot more buttons , and I don't know if you can read it , but it says , step , go to , freeze , um slow , repeat , program , mute , and so those are some of the buttons and so it gives you an idea of s one example . And then on the right , it's a lot more simpler , it's got volume , it's got the play the like circle set , which is play , rewind , but it's also what is fast-forward is also like next on a menu . So you have functions that are d uh duplicating . 305.17 307.08 309.19 310.48 310.88 311.89 312.6 314.01 316.61 318.06 318.72 319.68 323.82 324.72 325.65 326.75 329.05 330.01 330.43 335.55 338.37 ES2010b A FEE037 0 339.12 339.344 339.16 339.31 Right . 339.31 ES2010b C FEE039 2 339.488 346.352 339.51 346.32 And you have a mute button and then the numbers and the eject , and the power button . So that gives you two different kinds , a more complex and more simple version . 341.96 342.74 344.17 346.32 ES2010b C FEE039 2 347.633 348.064 347.71 348.03 Okay . 348.03 ES2010b A FEE037 0 348.202 348.848 348.22 348.76 Ready . 348.76 ES2010b C FEE039 2 349.44 376.112 349.46 376.08 And then lastly , it's just the questions that we want to consider like what functions do we want it to include , and how simple , complex it should be ? And what functions it needs to complete . Uh , what are needed to complete insulation process , 'cause , you know , that's something that also has to be considered and it's gonna be hopefully a one-time thing , when you set it up it should be set to go , but we have to include the functions that can allow it to set up i in the first place . 350.55 355.09 356.23 358.45 361.82 362.23 364.54 365.52 365.73 369.92 372.02 376.08 ES2010b C FEE039 2 378.768 379.454 378.79 379.38 So that's it . 379.38 ES2010b A FEE037 0 380.688 391.436 380.73 391.31 Alright . Very good presentation . Thank you . You speak with such authority on the matter . Okay . Who would like to um follow that one up ? 381.65 382.91 383.29 388.01 389.31 391.31 ES2010b C FEE039 2 386.88 388.648 386.9 388.51 Mm . Left . 388.1 388.51 ES2010b A FEE037 0 392.448 396.848 392.53 396.77 Now , that we've discussed Okay . Do you want me to run it or you wanna Okay . 392.67 394.27 396.77 ES2010b D FEE040 3 392.816 393.44 392.84 393.38 I can go . 393.38 ES2010b D FEE040 3 395.696 396.62 395.72 396.5 Yeah , you should run it . 396.01 396.5 ES2010b A FEE037 0 400.64 403.04 400.66 402.88 Functional requirements . 'Kay . 402.8 402.88 ES2010b D FEE040 3 401.888 403.168 401.888 403.13 Mm yes . 403.13 ES2010b A FEE037 0 410.544 414.06 410.72 414.03 Alright . Now we have Courtney with the functional requirements . 411.2 414.03 ES2010b D FEE040 3 413.897 457.488 414.01 457.488 Yes , okay so we tested a hundred subjects in our lab , and we just we watched them and we also made them fill out a questionnaire , and we found that the users are not typically happy with current remote controls . Seventy five percent think they're ugly . Eighty percent want they've are willing to spend more , which is good news for us um if we make it look fancier , and basically w we just need something that really I mean there's some other points up there , but they it needs to be snazzy and it but yet simple . So that's really what we need to do . And we need we need it to be simple , yet it needs to be high-tech looking . So 414.75 418.55 423.73 429.23 431.39 434.56 439.16 444.78 449.26 452.01 453.9 457.05 ES2010b C FEE039 2 449.712 451.776 449.712 451.6 Wait . 451.6 ES2010b C FEE039 2 457.264 459.104 457.28 458.84 And that meaning what ? 458.84 ES2010b D FEE040 3 458.72 459.184 458.8 459.184 Like - ES2010b D FEE040 3 460.224 463.936 460.24 463.9 They like I guess use the buttons a lot . Yeah . 463.66 463.9 ES2010b C FEE039 2 463.121 463.9 463.22 463.68 Okay . 463.68 ES2010b D FEE040 3 465.232 467.952 465.48 467.92 I don't know . It's from my uh research . 466.47 467.92 ES2010b C FEE039 2 468.406 468.997 468.57 468.8 Right . 468.8 ES2010b A FEE037 0 469.024 479.332 469.05 479.29 Okay , what do you m Oh , I'm sorry . What do you mean by um the current remote controls do not match well with the operating behaviour of the user , like they have to press the buttons . 469.24 470.58 471.67 477.98 479.29 ES2010b D FEE040 3 469.296 471.744 469.32 471.71 My team wasn't very clear . That's okay . 471.33 471.71 ES2010b C FEE039 2 470.016 471.739 470.04 471.62 Only use ten percent of the buttons . 471.62 ES2010b D FEE040 3 478.112 493.408 478.2 493.37 I I think it's like the engineering versus user , whereas like the engineering she showed that the engineering ones are more complex and users don't really need all of the buttons that are contained on there , because they only use ten percent of the buttons really . 481.52 491.7 493.37 ES2010b A FEE037 0 480.976 481.232 481.0 481.2 Okay . 481.2 ES2010b A FEE037 0 485.776 486.368 485.84 486.33 Oh , right . 486.15 486.33 ES2010b A FEE037 0 489.072 490.102 489.22 490.03 The buttons . 490.03 ES2010b A FEE037 0 491.376 491.616 491.46 491.58 Okay . 491.58 ES2010b A FEE037 0 493.328 494.964 493.35 494.93 Yeah . Okay . 494.56 494.93 ES2010b B FEE038 1 494.491 497.12 494.66 497.12 We only use ten per cent of our brains . 497.06 ES2010b D FEE040 3 497.12 500.224 497.14 499.99 Good point . It's a necessary evil . 499.02 499.99 ES2010b A FEE037 0 498.096 501.6 498.23 501.57 It works . Ready for the next slide ? 500.83 501.57 ES2010b B FEE038 1 500.032 500.846 500.032 500.69 yeah . 500.69 ES2010b D FEE040 3 501.52 533.232 501.54 533.15 Mm-hmm . And so people say that they typically lose it , as you yourself know , because you probably lose your remote control all the time , much like any small appliance like a cellphone , and they we need something simple , because most people , well thirty four percent say that it's just too much time to learn how to use a new one , and we don't want to go we don't want to vary too far from the normal standard remote , but I mean they do need to be able to identify it , and R_S_I_ , I'm not very sure what that is . 502.94 506.89 507.98 510.38 513.17 516.31 517.92 523.01 528.01 530.37 532.07 533.15 ES2010b A FEE037 0 510.128 510.432 510.27 510.39 Hmm . 510.39 ES2010b C FEE039 2 511.324 512.63 511.75 512.13 Lost . 512.13 ES2010b C FEE039 2 526.349 527.154 526.53 526.75 S - ES2010b A FEE037 0 533.003 536.128 533.41 536.128 It's okay . It's very important . 534.34 535.8 ES2010b D FEE040 3 534.288 537.098 534.35 536.98 Yes , it is important for the remote control world . 535.23 536.98 ES2010b C FEE039 2 536.848 538.592 536.87 538.592 Wait , is that like your 537.72 ES2010b C FEE039 2 539.808 542.112 539.83 542.06 ergonomics like your hand movements or something ? 542.06 ES2010b D FEE040 3 539.762 540.316 539.88 540.09 Sh - ES2010b A FEE037 0 542.32 543.36 542.4 543.28 Could be , yeah . 542.94 543.28 ES2010b D FEE040 3 542.88 543.92 542.93 543.89 Uh possibly . 543.89 ES2010b B FEE038 1 544.908 548.864 545.0 548.78 Do we really need t to provide more information on what R_S_I_ is ? 548.78 ES2010b C FEE039 2 547.436 549.016 547.56 549.016 Like - ES2010b A FEE037 0 548.865 550.133 549.01 549.94 Oh . 549.94 ES2010b D FEE040 3 548.784 550.896 549.01 550.86 Uh yeah , that's what my web site said , I 549.3 550.64 ES2010b C FEE039 2 551.136 551.984 551.27 551.94 Channel , volume , power . 551.6 551.85 551.94 ES2010b D FEE040 3 551.904 552.586 551.94 552.46 don't know . 552.46 ES2010b A FEE037 0 551.952 553.536 551.97 553.5 I think that's a pretty good guess though . 553.5 ES2010b D FEE040 3 553.6 574.24 553.62 574.19 Yeah , I would assume so . I think we're supposed to know it as remote control experts . But also s so the channel , the volume and the power buttons are the most important on our company website you can find like the specific statistics concerning to how much each button is used , but those are the definitely the top ones . 553.87 555.44 559.08 561.37 572.05 574.19 ES2010b C FEE039 2 555.382 556.863 555.58 556.863 It's like if you're holding it - ES2010b A FEE037 0 558.832 561.361 558.85 561.361 Yeah . It's okay . 559.57 561.09 ES2010b A FEE037 0 574.592 576.592 574.64 576.55 Okay . Next slide ? 575.98 576.55 ES2010b D FEE040 3 576.288 576.752 576.31 576.72 Yes . 576.72 ES2010b D FEE040 3 577.84 608.453 577.86 608.28 And so personally I think that we need a modern eye-catching design , but it it really needs to be simple . So saying from y your slide , your presentation , the engineering versus the user-specified remotes , I think that we should go with something that's more user-friendly . Where the engineering ones , the boxes , tend to make it look more complicated than it really is . Um the functionality of the product really needs to be considered as to like what type of buttons do we really need on it . 581.52 583.68 587.22 588.38 591.88 595.05 596.1 596.93 600.43 608.28 ES2010b A FEE037 0 593.744 594.521 593.76 594.35 User-friendly . 594.35 ES2010b D FEE040 3 608.453 649.904 608.67 649.79 And it needs to be open to a wide range of consumers , so even though we need a small number of buttons , we also need to take in like are most people going to be using it for a D_V_D_ player , a TiVo , what what exactly are we using it for , as well as the age range . So we need a hip , but not a corny marketing scheme for promoting our product . And also we found our team found that speech recognition is it's like an up-and-coming thing they really consumers are really interested in it , and since our findings found that people are willing to pay more money for a remote for it to be more high-class we could consider it . 611.97 614.63 620.6 621.42 624.37 626.69 627.72 632.5 641.38 649.79 ES2010b A FEE037 0 648.56 655.292 648.58 655.22 And so just to just to clarify by speech recognition you mean they would say , channel five , and the thing would go to channel five ? 653.17 653.94 655.22 ES2010b D FEE040 3 654.352 655.312 654.37 655.27 I guess so , yeah . 655.07 655.27 ES2010b A FEE037 0 656.72 657.68 656.82 657.58 Okay . 657.58 ES2010b C FEE039 2 657.68 661.806 657.68 661.806 to just say , where are you , and thing beeps , you know . 658.43 659.03 659.98 661.19 ES2010b A FEE037 0 660.322 662.496 660.322 662.46 Oh , that'd be lovely . 661.81 662.46 ES2010b D FEE040 3 660.368 667.488 660.39 667.45 Yeah , I guess we can interpret it like , we can just try out different types of speech recognition within our remote programme . 660.74 662.67 667.45 ES2010b C FEE039 2 664.341 664.923 664.52 664.71 Yeah . 664.71 ES2010b A FEE037 0 666.64 675.973 666.64 675.973 Didn't they um didn't our rival companies manufacture a remote that you would press the button on the T_V_ and it would the remote would beep so if you have lost it - ES2010b C FEE039 2 675.033 677.31 675.14 677.1 It's kinda like what the remote phone used to do . 677.1 ES2010b A FEE037 0 677.232 681.504 677.27 681.37 Mm . Oh , yeah , that's true . We could definitely include that if we wanted to . 678.05 678.12 678.64 679.56 681.37 ES2010b C FEE039 2 678.72 682.336 678.74 682.3 You know like go to the base . Yeah . 682.01 682.3 ES2010b A FEE037 0 682.64 687.984 682.66 687.93 If it's within our price . Okay . Are we ready for our last presentation , Amber ? 684.85 685.99 687.76 687.93 ES2010b B FEE038 1 688.19 690.24 688.21 690.13 Yeah , I'm just trying to move it . 688.45 690.13 ES2010b A FEE037 0 689.486 690.08 689.63 689.96 Okay . 689.96 ES2010b B FEE038 1 698.784 701.776 698.8 701.74 'Kay . I think it should be there , working design . 699.15 700.71 701.74 ES2010b C FEE039 2 700.576 701.895 700.7 701.5 Working design . 701.5 ES2010b A FEE037 0 702.157 703.19 702.55 703.07 There we go . 703.07 ES2010b A FEE037 0 704.764 705.992 705.03 705.83 'Kay . 705.83 ES2010b B FEE038 1 705.959 737.83 706.11 737.73 'Kay . Uh I didn't get a chance to complete this one , 'cause some of the tools that I was given were frustrating . Uh okay , so method method of our design , I think I just start listing th some of the things that we actually need to put into this . We need a power source , we're gonna need a smart chip if we're gonna make it multi-functional . Um extra functions will probably need an additional chip . Either that or the smart chip will have to be extremely smart . 706.78 709.75 714.92 715.99 720.12 724.69 725.7 729.82 733.92 737.73 ES2010b A FEE037 0 708.022 709.324 708.14 709.12 Oh my bad . 709.12 ES2010b D FEE040 3 713.792 714.416 713.92 714.38 Oh that's fine . 714.38 ES2010b C FEE039 2 714.838 715.828 715.22 715.5 Help me . 715.5 ES2010b D FEE040 3 739.712 741.152 739.73 741.12 What exactly is a smart chip ? 741.12 ES2010b B FEE038 1 741.072 749.264 741.46 749.17 Usually a smart chip is just a chip that's been programmed and designed so that it can complete a fair range of functions . 749.17 ES2010b C FEE039 2 749.552 754.64 749.57 754.61 Well , how much extra would the additional chip be ? Is that gonna push us over our production costs ? 749.69 752.46 754.61 ES2010b B FEE038 1 754.96 764.016 754.98 763.72 I wouldn't think so , 'cause we could probably get it from like , in bulk , from a a newer company . And they tend to sell their chips pretty cheap . 755.97 757.84 758.48 761.81 763.72 ES2010b C FEE039 2 761.424 761.776 761.45 761.73 Mm-hmm . 761.73 ES2010b A FEE037 0 763.936 764.96 763.96 764.83 Okay . 764.83 ES2010b A FEE037 0 765.694 766.257 765.78 766.11 Ready ? 766.11 ES2010b B FEE038 1 765.84 768.32 765.86 768.27 Um yep , nothing here . 767.61 768.27 ES2010b A FEE037 0 768.526 769.408 768.55 769.36 That's okay . 769.36 ES2010b B FEE038 1 770.173 806.416 770.32 806.38 Um power source , I figured , batteries , 'cause they're easily available . Typically a remote has either two double A_s or four triple A_s , sometimes three . Uh it really kinda depends on the size of the actual remote itself . Um a large on-off button , demographically we're moving towards an older generation of people , so a large on-off button would probably be good . Selection button for various entertainment devices , so you want something that will permit you to select the D_V_D_ player or the T_V_ or the stereo system . 771.42 772.03 773.01 776.06 779.74 781.31 785.82 788.5 793.18 797.13 799.4 806.38 ES2010b A FEE037 0 796.848 797.136 796.98 797.09 Hmm . 797.09 ES2010b B FEE038 1 807.744 813.968 807.92 813.92 Um smart chip that perverts uh that permits , sorry , universal application again , 810.81 811.79 813.92 ES2010b B FEE038 1 815.168 826.256 815.21 826.21 something that'll allow us to skip over between devices , and that's kinda it . Uh this is my fifty second design . 818.93 821.43 826.21 ES2010b B FEE038 1 827.952 855.616 827.97 855.56 Power source over here . We're gonna have a switch obviously between the power source and the rest of it , and you're gonna need the switch . Um extra bulb could just be for flashiness , um subcomponent which would be like a way of diverting the power to different parts of the the device . Um the chip and of course the infra-red bulb , so it can communicate with the various devices that it needs to talk to . 830.56 833.8 835.52 840.71 849.45 851.98 855.56 ES2010b D FEE040 3 855.792 859.763 855.91 859.7 So what exactly we are looking at , is this like the front of the remote ? 856.97 859.7 ES2010b B FEE038 1 858.368 862.736 858.39 862.62 This is just like a rough schematic . So this is the internal workings . 860.82 862.62 ES2010b A FEE037 0 860.634 865.792 860.82 865.76 So this would be the front ? So the red would be the front of the remote though , right ? Okay . 862.81 864.94 865.5 865.76 ES2010b D FEE040 3 862.944 863.419 862.96 863.38 Oh okay . 863.38 ES2010b B FEE038 1 864.896 865.488 864.92 865.32 Yeah . 865.32 ES2010b C FEE039 2 865.408 873.721 865.43 873.67 Yeah , that's gonna be what's communicating with the T_V_ , but the other bulb , I think , is good to just to indicate , I'm doing something , it's sort of like a reassurance . 865.75 867.96 868.63 868.88 870.5 871.41 873.67 ES2010b A FEE037 0 872.544 876.446 872.56 876.27 The l the light up kind of Yeah . 876.27 ES2010b D FEE040 3 872.768 874.523 872.84 874.49 Like that we know the battery's working . 874.49 ES2010b B FEE038 1 873.296 886.393 873.32 886.36 Yeah , so you don't have to stare at that infra-red , 'cause you know when the battery starts dying in your remote currently , you have to actually stare at that bulb and go , okay , when I push this button , is it working ? We can skip that whole thing . Yep . 873.57 875.73 878.88 880.98 881.99 882.95 884.4 886.12 886.36 ES2010b A FEE037 0 881.808 882.064 881.84 882.03 Hmm . 882.03 ES2010b D FEE040 3 883.581 884.22 883.68 884.13 Okay . 884.13 ES2010b A FEE037 0 883.968 885.975 883.99 885.88 It'd probably be lighting up the key too , right ? 885.57 885.88 ES2010b D FEE040 3 886.24 886.64 886.26 886.61 Yeah . 886.61 ES2010b C FEE039 2 886.56 886.864 886.58 886.83 Yeah . 886.83 ES2010b A FEE037 0 886.581 887.056 886.74 887.0 'Kay . 887.0 ES2010b B FEE038 1 887.824 890.048 887.85 890.048 So you can put it in the dark . 889.97 ES2010b A FEE037 0 888.544 889.106 888.56 889.05 The buttons . 889.05 ES2010b D FEE040 3 890.16 893.952 890.18 893.952 Yeah , and that's good . We should make it glow in the dark . 890.38 891.49 893.66 ES2010b A FEE037 0 891.424 891.901 891.51 891.85 Okay . 891.85 ES2010b A FEE037 0 892.912 895.504 892.93 895.46 Yeah , definitely . 'Kay nex R Ready ? 893.14 893.88 895.46 ES2010b B FEE038 1 895.157 896.72 895.48 896.2 Yeah , that's it . 895.7 896.2 ES2010b A FEE037 0 896.477 898.592 896.57 898.43 'Kay , any p 'Kay ? 897.15 898.43 ES2010b D FEE040 3 897.824 898.176 897.85 898.13 Mm 'kay . 898.13 ES2010b A FEE037 0 899.968 905.936 899.99 905.9 Anything you wanna add for personal preferences though , you f you said already that we needed a large on-off button , you think . Anything else ? 901.85 904.47 905.4 905.9 ES2010b B FEE038 1 904.944 910.016 905.33 909.63 I think that that's a good idea , because you know that's one of the most important buttons . 906.7 909.63 ES2010b C FEE039 2 908.49 909.176 908.58 909.176 Just - ES2010b A FEE037 0 909.904 910.24 909.95 910.21 Okay . 910.21 ES2010b C FEE039 2 910.16 919.168 910.18 919.11 Well , should it be larger buttons in general , you know like uh the examples that I had , they were swi quite small . So should we try and go for something that has l larger buttons ? 910.44 912.32 914.13 915.25 919.11 ES2010b D FEE040 3 919.168 933.504 919.19 933.47 I think we should . Like I think that would be in a as in like in for the design , sorry , um . I think we should definitely go with buttons that don't look like a normal remote , 'cause most remotes have small square buttons , I think we should do something like maybe bigger and round like bubbles . 919.96 923.74 924.24 925.01 927.8 929.85 933.47 ES2010b A FEE037 0 929.744 929.968 929.78 929.93 Mm . 929.93 ES2010b C FEE039 2 931.213 931.752 931.26 931.72 Ovals . 931.72 ES2010b C FEE039 2 932.848 933.638 932.87 933.53 Yeah , yeah . 933.1 933.53 ES2010b A FEE037 0 933.92 937.168 933.96 937.168 Okay . Okay , let's talk about all of our 935.27 935.52 ES2010b A FEE037 0 938.624 955.472 938.74 955.29 We'll come to decision later about all the components that we need to include , let's um wrap up this one , and I'm gonna go back to my PowerPoint , 'cause we need to discuss the new project requirements which you might've already seen flashed up on the screen a bit earlier . Wait , come back . 942.2 944.83 947.38 953.59 954.74 955.29 ES2010b A FEE037 0 957.216 974.418 957.47 974.25 Alright . Sorry , let's go through this . Alright . Here we go . New product requirements . First it's only going to be a T_V_ remote . We're trying not to over-complicate things . So no D_V_D_ , no TiVo , no stereo . It's not gonna be multi-functional . 958.7 959.22 960.9 961.45 962.68 963.99 967.11 970.43 971.29 971.88 972.93 974.25 ES2010b B FEE038 1 971.968 973.464 971.968 973.07 Okay . 973.07 ES2010b A FEE037 0 977.105 986.028 977.29 985.95 Hey . And we th need to promote our company more , so we need to somehow include our colour and our company slogan on the remote . 978.23 981.03 985.95 ES2010b A FEE037 0 987.616 995.232 987.64 995.05 We're trying to get our name out there in the world . Okay . And you know what teletext is ? 992.05 992.59 995.05 ES2010b C FEE039 2 995.712 995.92 995.73 995.89 Yeah . 995.89 ES2010b A FEE037 0 996.448 1011.029 996.448 1010.99 in States we don't have it , but um it's like they just have this channel where just has news and weather , kind of sports , it's very um bland looking , it's just text on the screen , not even Yeah , just black with just text . 997.64 1001.96 1003.13 1006.23 1008.02 1009.02 1010.99 ES2010b C FEE039 2 997.897 998.633 997.94 998.46 I know . 998.46 ES2010b D FEE040 3 997.915 998.432 997.96 998.4 What is it ? 998.4 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1007.504 1009.689 1007.52 1009.689 Yeah , it's like black , black and white kind of 1007.73 1008.78 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1010.336 1011.888 1010.36 1011.85 Like running along the bottom ? 1011.85 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1011.824 1012.432 1011.93 1012.39 Yeah . 1012.39 ES2010b B FEE038 1 1012.208 1015.296 1012.23 1015.296 You can also get the kind of the T_V_ guide so - ES2010b C FEE039 2 1012.282 1015.202 1012.39 1014.9 It'll give you the sports . 1014.9 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1015.216 1019.926 1015.24 1019.48 Wait , is it like the Weather Channel where it's got like the ticker running on the bottom or something ? 1015.34 1019.48 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1018.736 1019.328 1018.76 1019.29 Kind of . 1019.29 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1018.816 1020.733 1018.84 1020.67 Except the entire screen . 1020.67 ES2010b B FEE038 1 1020.2 1025.584 1020.31 1025.55 It's the entire screen is just running information at random . Seemingly . 1025.0 1025.55 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1020.631 1021.792 1020.71 1021.76 Yeah it's the whole screen . 1021.76 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1024.416 1028.08 1024.44 1028.08 You can pick sports , you can pick the news , you entertainment , you know it's like 1025.55 1026.6 1027.5 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1024.576 1025.056 1024.6 1025.056 So anyway - ES2010b D FEE040 3 1028.0 1030.256 1028.02 1030.22 So it's like a separate channel from like what you're watching ? 1030.22 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1028.432 1043.42 1028.46 1043.27 Right . Right . But it's becoming out-dated now , because of the Internet . Nobody needs to go to the teletext channel to check the news , and we have twenty four hour news channels now too , so Those are our new product requirements . Alright . Mm-hmm . 1029.58 1030.48 1031.89 1032.81 1036.55 1038.59 1041.97 1043.03 1043.27 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1030.368 1030.699 1030.39 1030.63 Yeah . 1030.63 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1041.44 1041.888 1041.46 1041.81 Okay . 1041.81 ES2010b B FEE038 1 1041.196 1045.815 1041.75 1045.67 Okay . So , do we have to include the company colour within that ? 1041.96 1042.63 1045.67 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1045.952 1048.784 1045.97 1048.66 Yes . It's part of the logo . 1046.94 1048.66 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1050.4 1050.976 1050.6 1050.94 Okay . 1050.94 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1051.008 1053.792 1051.03 1053.792 Company colour being yellow . 1053.07 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1053.296 1071.313 1053.74 1071.26 What we're going to do right now is come to some decisions , definitive that we can all agree on , about um the target group and the functions and just definite things that we need to do and then we'll close up the meeting . So . Alright . 1057.12 1059.02 1067.7 1069.59 1071.26 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1073.904 1075.959 1073.904 1075.84 Whatever . 1075.84 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1077.354 1078.162 1077.42 1078.12 Okay . 1078.12 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1084.795 1100.576 1085.32 1100.576 So our target group is You mentioned um older people ? Would it just be universal for everyone , you think ? Because I think even if something has large buttons , as long as they are not childishly large , like even technically 1091.47 1093.78 1094.15 1097.49 1099.27 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1090.869 1091.472 1091.02 1091.43 Mm-hmm . 1091.43 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1097.12 1098.766 1097.22 1098.58 It's gonna make it nicer . 1098.58 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1099.611 1100.27 1099.77 1100.14 Yeah . 1100.14 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1102.304 1107.168 1102.32 1107.168 non-technically challenged people are gonna use it . I mean they want something user-friendly , so 1104.97 1106.81 ES2010b B FEE038 1 1106.846 1123.311 1106.93 1122.89 Mm well , even if we kept the regular standard size of remote , if we reduced the buttons down to the ones that people are saying that they use the most often and a couple extra , 'cause they're saying they only use ten per cent of them , then we should be able to accommodate fairly decent sized buttons . 1107.5 1110.5 1116.17 1118.72 1122.89 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1116.176 1116.48 1116.2 1116.45 Yeah . 1116.45 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1118.288 1119.616 1118.31 1119.29 Yeah . 1119.29 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1123.024 1133.12 1123.08 1133.08 Okay , so we want um for our target group would we say , I mean , young and old , all age ranges , all um , not kids obviously , right ? 1123.44 1128.24 1128.47 1129.07 1130.34 1131.61 1132.84 1133.08 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1134.128 1134.736 1134.15 1134.69 Or kids ? 1134.69 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1134.928 1141.664 1135.13 1141.57 No , kids need to know how to use a remote , I would think . They gotta change between Disney Channel , Cartoon Network . 1135.33 1137.87 1138.59 1140.73 1141.57 ES2010b B FEE038 1 1137.6 1139.958 1137.63 1139.68 Most of them will intuitively pick it up though . 1139.68 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1141.232 1150.72 1141.29 1150.38 Okay , so we're going to go anywhere from kids to adult in the age range Um what about 1141.74 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1143.376 1144.945 1143.4 1144.8 Yeah , I think we need it all . 1143.56 1144.8 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1151.856 1159.088 1151.88 1158.66 technic technical um specifications , like how how technically literate are these people who are going to be using our remote ? 1155.01 1158.66 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1159.52 1163.2 1159.54 1163.17 Um I would say we should say dumber than the average person . 1163.17 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1163.296 1165.344 1163.32 1165.23 We should go for the lowest denominator . 1165.23 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1163.152 1163.648 1163.36 1163.61 Okay . 1163.61 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1165.264 1165.76 1165.28 1165.72 Yeah . 1165.72 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1165.968 1167.392 1165.99 1167.18 Right , okay . 1166.89 1167.18 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1167.731 1169.213 1167.82 1169.13 High school educated . 1169.13 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1167.867 1171.536 1167.89 1171.536 So so they need no technical experience to operate - ES2010b B FEE038 1 1170.852 1176.676 1170.852 1176.45 how 'bout little to no , because there is no way that you are gonna be able to make it no . 1172.66 1176.45 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1189.912 1210.081 1189.93 1210.04 Okay . And we also need to determine the specific functions of this , just to get it all out on paper . So we said it needs to send messages to the T_V_ , needs to change the channel , turn on and off , just basic simple stuff like this . So if you have something just say it and we'll add it to my meeting minutes . 1190.47 1194.84 1196.92 1200.39 1202.62 1203.65 1205.39 1210.04 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1213.12 1217.566 1213.14 1217.34 Well it's channel , on-off button , volume , mute . 1214.22 1215.18 1217.06 1217.34 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1215.12 1216.704 1215.18 1216.66 Mm-hmm , volume . 1216.09 1216.66 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1217.28 1220.432 1217.3 1220.4 And channel . Yeah . Those are the most important ones . 1218.22 1219.08 1220.4 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1220.496 1228.233 1220.52 1228.11 Right . And we wanna keep um I'll make a note here that we wanna keep the number of buttons down . Correct , because people only use ten percent . 'Kay . 1221.25 1225.67 1225.98 1227.9 1228.11 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1227.328 1227.648 1227.35 1227.61 Yeah . 1227.61 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1233.164 1234.144 1233.23 1234.11 Hey , what else ? 1233.43 1234.11 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1233.456 1234.245 1233.51 1233.96 Um . 1233.96 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1242.32 1243.792 1242.34 1243.7 Um . 1243.7 ES2010b B FEE038 1 1244.816 1249.733 1244.84 1249.54 Do we want this thing to be able to be found easily ? 1249.54 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1249.728 1251.408 1249.75 1251.408 I think so . What do you 1251.01 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1252.528 1253.264 1252.7 1253.22 Sure , yeah . 1253.08 1253.22 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1254.32 1259.085 1254.44 1259.085 A finding kind of device or Yeah , ho homing device . 1257.17 1258.51 ES2010b B FEE038 1 1254.858 1255.431 1254.98 1255.33 And - ES2010b D FEE040 3 1255.44 1257.784 1255.46 1257.66 I need we we need a like homing device . 1257.66 ES2010b B FEE038 1 1256.368 1263.312 1256.4 1263.2 like if this is gonna get lost underneath the coach , how are we going to accommodate the quick ability to find it ? 1259.05 1263.2 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1257.008 1258.295 1257.05 1258.03 Oh right yeah okay . 1258.03 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1261.885 1262.793 1262.17 1262.67 Mm 'kay . 1262.67 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1262.739 1263.311 1262.76 1263.28 Tracking . 1263.28 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1266.64 1272.192 1266.67 1272.16 Because people really are looking for a remote that's more high-tech . 1272.16 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1266.614 1267.308 1266.71 1267.21 Okay . 1267.21 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1272.334 1272.962 1272.39 1272.86 Right . 1272.86 ES2010b B FEE038 1 1272.316 1285.04 1272.43 1284.99 What if we gave it a charger ? And on the charger , just like a phone , like you get a portable phone and it's got a charger , and if you d leave your phone somewhere , you push the button to find it , and it finds th the phone beeps for you . 1274.37 1275.08 1276.17 1278.25 1280.63 1282.27 1284.99 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1278.128 1279.037 1278.21 1278.89 But you got a base . 1278.89 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1283.792 1285.392 1283.85 1285.27 Do you think people'll really go for that though ? 1285.27 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1286.848 1287.152 1286.87 1287.152 Because - ES2010b B FEE038 1 1286.861 1288.912 1287.01 1288.87 It's useful for the remote phone . 1288.87 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1289.76 1292.944 1289.92 1292.89 Hmm . Would that add to our costs at all , I wonder ? 1291.02 1292.52 1292.89 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1290.112 1290.576 1290.13 1290.54 Yeah . 1290.54 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1293.424 1295.648 1293.44 1295.59 I would think so , because you'd have to develop a base . 1294.03 1295.59 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1295.584 1295.92 1295.62 1295.89 Right . 1295.89 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1295.904 1300.158 1295.92 1300.01 Well , if you have the base , you could start putting in a charger and then you have a different kind of battery . 1296.01 1297.12 1300.01 ES2010b B FEE038 1 1300.288 1300.882 1300.31 1300.71 Yeah . 1300.71 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1302.752 1303.488 1302.77 1303.45 Hmm . 1303.45 ES2010b B FEE038 1 1303.408 1306.144 1303.44 1306.1 Rechargeable batteries are cheaper usually . 1306.1 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1306.096 1306.72 1306.12 1306.65 Yeah . 1306.65 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1307.585 1315.056 1307.61 1315.056 Okay . I I think we can make a decision about that later . Uh we'll still put that as a point that we need to discuss . So that would include battery source 1308.06 1310.37 1313.03 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1317.101 1331.362 1317.25 1331.23 Power source rather . Is it going to have a charger , or is it going to be run strictly off batteries ? And we also need to deal with the issue you mentioned of speech recognition , if we want that . 1319.3 1321.76 1325.72 1329.05 1331.23 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1329.312 1329.856 1329.33 1329.81 Right . 1329.81 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1331.632 1332.018 1331.65 1331.9 Do w - ES2010b C FEE039 2 1331.744 1341.68 1331.76 1341.28 Well , then we could If we have the speech recognition then we can start aiming at a like another kind of more handicapped disabled uh demo demographic . 1331.85 1341.28 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1339.728 1340.144 1339.75 1339.95 Mm . 1339.95 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1341.68 1350.56 1341.71 1350.52 Well , th there's the people who desire speech recognition , there's the different demog demographics have different desires , I don't know if you guys ge 1341.91 1344.72 1349.53 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1350.784 1354.32 1350.93 1354.25 You could um we could hook it up . Oh . 1353.74 1354.25 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1352.432 1364.112 1352.46 1364.07 It wouldn't copy onto the the thing 'cause it's black , but all the different age groups have different desires for speech recognition . So basically older people don't really care . 1356.03 1360.44 1364.07 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1365.232 1373.824 1365.28 1373.72 It's really the people twenty five to thirty five . I feel those are the people that really watch a lot of T_V_ though . They're the ones that get addicted to soap operas and 1367.91 1370.66 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1370.432 1370.752 1370.47 1370.72 Mm-hmm . 1370.72 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1375.004 1375.374 1375.09 1375.374 Well - ES2010b A FEE037 0 1375.04 1380.448 1375.11 1380.448 And if and if we introduced it when they're this age , they're going to probably always buy a remote that has 1378.19 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1374.974 1376.373 1375.15 1376.32 just sitcoms and stuff . 1376.32 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1379.648 1380.043 1379.67 1379.91 Right . 1379.91 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1381.008 1381.248 1381.04 1381.248 So - ES2010b C FEE039 2 1380.72 1397.28 1381.06 1397.11 Well , then then do you put the voice recognition do you put the r like receiver on the actual television , in the base , or in the actual remote , 'cause then you've already got remote in your hand , why you just gonna speak to the remote , whereas if you just speak in general and you don't have to have the remote in your hand and like talk at it . 1381.17 1386.42 1387.2 1388.28 1390.02 1392.46 1397.11 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1391.712 1392.336 1391.76 1392.27 Right . 1392.27 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1397.35 1405.936 1397.39 1405.68 Yeah . and the speech recognition could be part of the lost and found device , too . If we said , find remote , locate remote , or something . 1398.2 1402.35 1402.89 1403.34 1404.12 1404.91 1405.68 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1403.01 1403.488 1403.18 1403.45 Right . 1403.45 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1406.992 1408.09 1407.1 1408.05 A certain phrase - ES2010b A FEE037 0 1408.96 1412.737 1408.98 1412.55 then it could beep . I dunno . Just throwing it out there . 1410.4 1411.66 1412.55 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1412.768 1413.056 1412.79 1413.02 Yeah . 1413.02 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1417.632 1420.176 1417.89 1420.176 Well - ES2010b C FEE039 2 1422.58 1424.6 1422.71 1424.36 Still fifteen minutes . 1424.36 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1428.048 1428.742 1428.07 1428.71 Um . 1428.71 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1428.144 1431.184 1428.16 1430.09 Okay , anything else we wanna discuss ? 1428.4 1430.09 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1430.976 1437.36 1431.0 1436.87 Well , do we wanna include the numbers like zero through nine ? Can we conceive of leaving them out ? 1431.1 1435.4 1436.87 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1438.615 1439.457 1438.71 1439.39 Um . 1439.39 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1439.184 1440.4 1439.2 1440.37 Wait , on the remote itself ? 1439.42 1440.37 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1440.32 1443.504 1440.34 1443.47 Yeah , like you have one , two , three , four , five , six , seven , eight , nine , zero . 1440.63 1441.34 1441.47 1441.74 1441.92 1442.09 1442.42 1442.62 1442.73 1443.09 1443.47 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1443.552 1444.954 1443.57 1444.8 Well , we definitely need those . 1443.71 1444.8 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1443.551 1445.84 1443.69 1445.8 How how , yeah , how would you leave those out ? 1444.8 1444.99 1445.8 ES2010b B FEE038 1 1445.008 1445.568 1445.03 1445.53 Yeah . 1445.53 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1446.128 1451.616 1446.26 1451.45 Well , I don't know , I mean , if you can like well I don't know , if there's just a way of leaving them out ? 1446.4 1446.78 1447.0 1449.89 1451.45 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1449.592 1451.006 1449.61 1450.93 Unless you could say the channel . 1450.93 ES2010b B FEE038 1 1451.536 1453.504 1451.8 1453.43 I think people would find that too foreign . 1453.43 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1453.712 1455.78 1453.73 1455.78 Yeah . You definitely need 1454.73 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1454.096 1468.32 1454.12 1468.01 Yeah , that's true . And also remember that in this day in age we need , you know , like a hundred button , too . I used to have a remote that did not even go up past like fifty . So I couldn't whenever I got cable , I had to get a new T_V_ . 1454.31 1454.88 1457.99 1458.26 1459.76 1460.69 1465.23 1467.1 1468.01 ES2010b B FEE038 1 1469.909 1472.128 1470.14 1471.51 It's when we get satellite . 1471.51 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1471.904 1478.512 1471.92 1478.31 Mm . get your own remote , or digital cable . 'Kay . Um . 1472.94 1473.66 1476.07 1476.64 1478.31 ES2010b B FEE038 1 1474.96 1475.616 1474.98 1475.53 Yeah . 1475.53 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1480.688 1490.976 1480.8 1490.75 I guess , we're gonna discuss the project financing later , making sure that we can fit all of the stuff that we want to on our budget . Um . 1481.13 1484.73 1489.78 1490.75 ES2010b B FEE038 1 1493.584 1497.664 1493.65 1497.664 Yeah , 'cause I don't have any material pricing information available to me at the moment , so 1493.89 1497.2 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1497.667 1500.976 1497.82 1500.94 'Kay . And don't forget we need to include the colour 1498.42 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1502.256 1504.08 1502.32 1503.97 of our company and the logo . 1503.97 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1504.192 1506.448 1504.21 1506.4 The colour being yellow ? 1506.4 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1504.166 1505.007 1504.38 1504.84 Wait . 1504.84 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1506.593 1509.623 1506.82 1509.5 I'm guessing . And the R_R_ . 1508.63 1509.5 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1508.08 1508.832 1508.28 1508.832 And how do we - ES2010b D FEE040 3 1508.448 1511.552 1508.47 1511.52 I feel like a ye I feel like a yellow one would be too garish . 1511.52 ES2010b B FEE038 1 1509.36 1511.792 1509.38 1511.66 R_ the double R_ . 1511.66 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1511.472 1516.02 1511.6 1515.96 We could just have the logo in yellow , or maybe a yellow light for the keys . 1513.84 1515.96 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1512.016 1513.28 1512.06 1513.28 Can't make it entirely - ES2010b B FEE038 1 1514.384 1515.584 1514.4 1515.3 Or is the l - ES2010b D FEE040 3 1515.664 1518.657 1515.68 1518.62 Or put like stripes , oh yeah , yellow lights . 1516.69 1517.02 1518.62 ES2010b B FEE038 1 1518.112 1521.632 1518.17 1521.6 Yeah , yellow could be and it could doesn't have to be huge . 1518.98 1521.6 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1522.624 1523.008 1522.64 1522.97 Yeah . 1522.97 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1522.742 1532.048 1522.92 1532.01 Well if you have like a Hang on . If you have this sort of strip kind of down at the bottom the base of it , just like yellow with the R_R_ . 1525.37 1530.22 1532.01 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1532.096 1532.992 1532.19 1532.8 Right . 1532.8 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1537.232 1541.536 1537.25 1541.49 So we've simplified , we don't need all those um play , fast-forward , rewind , 1538.18 1540.31 1540.97 1541.49 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1541.6 1542.528 1541.67 1542.48 Right , yeah . 1541.99 1542.48 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1542.448 1543.008 1542.55 1542.97 Yeah . 1542.97 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1542.96 1551.568 1543.01 1551.568 or no menu buttons . So we've pretty much pared it down to on-off , volume , mute , channel up and down , um the numbers 1544.36 1547.64 1548.44 1549.12 1550.33 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1554.876 1556.151 1555.06 1556.151 Yeah . 1555.85 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1556.688 1557.088 1556.71 1557.05 Yeah . 1557.05 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1562.216 1566.56 1562.216 1566.53 Um can we go back to I'm gonna look really quickly back at those - ES2010b C FEE039 2 1567.232 1568.928 1567.25 1568.89 Two examples . Yeah . 1568.67 1568.89 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1567.92 1573.289 1567.95 1573.13 examples and see if there is anything . Which one is yours , technical functions or functional requirement ? Okay . 1569.66 1570.41 1572.95 1573.13 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1571.296 1572.368 1571.44 1572.33 Oh , it's a Yeah . 1571.62 1572.33 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1574.384 1586.247 1574.4 1586.17 Yeah , audi audio settings and screen settings , we need those like audio settings mono , stereo , pitch , screen settings like brightness , colour , or do we just want that accessed accessed from the television itself ? 1574.61 1577.26 1579.4 1580.36 1581.1 1582.25 1582.71 1586.17 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1584.89 1591.856 1585.19 1591.8 The T_V_ . I think that that's fine just for the T_V_ . I mean how often does the average user need to do that kind of stuff ? 1585.76 1588.09 1591.8 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1591.728 1602.752 1592.07 1602.72 Well , the other option is sort of like down at the bottom , like farther away , you just have this sort of box inset where it's like the buttons that you don't use as much , but occasionally you will use . 1592.19 1595.15 1597.12 1601.06 1602.72 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1601.12 1601.424 1601.17 1601.39 Hmm . 1601.39 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1603.424 1620.992 1603.45 1620.96 Yeah , 'cause we need to we definitely need to have buttons for like sub-titles and things like that . It's 'cause the foreign film market is expanding and stuff , and like on television like I know f k living in Los Angeles it's tons of Spanish network television if it has English sub-titles it's definitely helpful . 1603.67 1607.77 1610.57 1620.96 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1603.567 1604.682 1603.76 1604.682 and so it's like - ES2010b A FEE037 0 1620.976 1630.304 1621.17 1630.22 Couldn't we do that all through one button , something , a menu button , that pops up with a menu on the T_V_ that says , you know , audio , video , whatever , language , you know ? 1622.97 1623.45 1624.18 1626.22 1626.45 1627.63 1628.09 1628.63 1629.76 1630.22 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1623.04 1624.624 1623.06 1624.19 I don't well , I don't know . 1623.53 1624.19 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1630.384 1630.818 1630.4 1630.72 Right . 1630.72 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1630.624 1632.704 1630.64 1632.67 So we need up , down , and side-to-side buttons . 1631.26 1631.48 1632.67 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1633.232 1637.504 1633.25 1637.44 Well , that could be No you could just double up with like the channel or the volume buttons . 1633.35 1637.44 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1633.44 1634.4 1633.46 1634.37 For the menus . 1634.37 ES2010b B FEE038 1 1637.44 1638.099 1637.48 1637.83 Mm-hmm . 1637.83 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1638.608 1639.184 1638.63 1639.15 That's true . 1639.15 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1639.136 1640.149 1639.23 1640.09 Yeah , okay . 1639.72 1640.09 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1639.664 1640.912 1639.68 1640.88 Channel is just up and down . 1640.88 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1641.824 1642.448 1641.84 1642.41 Okay , yeah . 1642.15 1642.41 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1642.656 1643.632 1642.68 1643.632 And then add a - ES2010b A FEE037 0 1644.544 1648.08 1644.56 1648.04 Something that looks mayb you know . 1648.04 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1645.728 1650.52 1645.8 1650.42 Such as , yeah , the one the one over there on the left the engineering centred one . 1646.62 1646.87 1650.42 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1649.315 1652.032 1649.52 1651.81 Y right , right right right . That one ? 1650.56 1651.4 1651.81 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1650.498 1651.053 1650.57 1651.02 Yeah . 1651.02 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1651.922 1661.616 1651.95 1661.58 So we just have it like add a menu button then for the various things needed , including v voice recognition if we have any like settings for voice recognition now 1657.14 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1656.992 1659.497 1657.03 1659.36 Right . In the middle perhaps . 1657.65 1659.36 ES2010b C FEE039 2 1663.232 1665.008 1663.25 1664.23 included in the menu . 1664.23 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1664.928 1665.44 1664.95 1665.17 Yep . 1665.17 ES2010b D FEE040 3 1667.216 1669.536 1667.36 1669.39 Ooh , I just got an idea for a design . 1667.53 1669.39 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1669.395 1670.336 1669.395 1670.29 good . 1670.29 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1682.154 1685.888 1682.29 1685.84 Anybody have anything else they'd like to bring up in this meeting ? 1685.84 ES2010b B FEE038 1 1685.872 1687.792 1686.43 1687.55 I had something , but I forgot . 1687.11 1687.55 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1687.744 1698.56 1687.744 1698.47 Okay . get out of here . Let's go back to the meeting closure then and see what we need to do next . Mm . 1690.37 1693.43 1697.83 1698.47 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1704.982 1737.914 1705.13 1737.83 Alright . After this meeting we're gonna be sent a questionnaire and summary again which we need to reply to that e-mail . And then we're gonna have lunch break . And after lunch thirty minutes of individual work time . Um I'm gonna put the minutes I put the minutes for the first meeting already in the project documents folder , if you'd like to review them . And I'm gonna type up the minutes for this one as well . Um here's what we're each going to do . The I_D_ is going to work on the components concept , um U_I_D_ the user interface concept , and you're going to do some trend watching . 1705.54 1712.58 1713.94 1717.17 1721.19 1722.45 1725.12 1728.76 1732.99 1736.02 1737.83 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1738.528 1749.376 1738.55 1749.29 'Kay . Specific instructions will be sent to you by your personal coach . And if anybody has anything they would like to add ? No ? Okay , well , this meeting is officially over . 1738.78 1742.53 1746.5 1747.61 1747.88 1748.07 1749.29 ES2010b A FEE037 0 1751.328 1751.968 1751.39 1751.93 Thank you all . 1751.93 ES2010c A FEE037 0 33.282 41.498 33.3 41.46 Okay . Hi Team . Hope you had a good lunch . Okay we're back for the conceptual design meeting . Um let's get started . 33.98 34.67 36.44 39.56 41.46 ES2010c A FEE037 0 42.864 60.335 42.9 60.2 'Kay , here is the agenda for today's meeting . Um we're gonna open it and I'm gonna keep the minutes as Project Manager . We're gonna have three presentations , one from each of you again . And then we are going to come to decision on the remote control concepts and then we're gonna close it up . And we have forty minutes again . 43.14 45.92 50.21 51.63 53.15 58.78 60.2 ES2010c A FEE037 0 61.316 68.248 61.48 68.1 'Kay , and just to reiterate um after this meeting the team will reach a decision on the concepts of the remote control . 62.06 68.1 ES2010c A FEE037 0 70.784 76.795 70.9 76.65 Okay . Let's go ahead and start off with your presentations . Who would like to go first ? 72.27 75.24 76.65 ES2010c B FEE038 1 79.135 80.928 79.39 80.88 Just trying to move mine right now . 80.88 ES2010c A FEE037 0 80.848 84.384 80.89 84.35 Okay . Um Courtney would you mind starting us off ? Okay . 81.87 83.75 84.35 ES2010c D FEE040 3 83.088 84.268 83.11 84.12 Yeah . 84.12 ES2010c A FEE037 0 88.89 90.225 89.15 90.07 Trend watching ? 90.07 ES2010c D FEE040 3 90.208 90.704 90.27 90.59 Yeah . 90.59 ES2010c A FEE037 0 90.708 91.126 90.75 90.95 'Kay . 90.95 ES2010c D FEE040 3 100.356 102.578 100.47 102.47 Okay , so trend watching . 101.05 102.47 ES2010c D FEE040 3 103.344 143.344 103.37 143.344 Uh since we do put the fashion in electronics , it is kind of important how our product looks . So I guess we can go ahead and go to the next . So what they want . Right now customers want fancy versus functional . Um basically about fifty eight percent of what they like of the product that they want , describing like the in order of how much they want , fifty eight per cent of the decision of what it should look like , fancy versus functional , and then it has to also be technologically innovative , and yet easy to use . So the customer basically is confused . They don't know exactly what they want . They want us to tell them . 106.48 109.38 111.92 112.9 116.91 122.46 125.28 129.28 130.69 134.44 136.55 138.98 140.23 143.19 ES2010c B FEE038 1 141.888 145.504 142.11 145.04 They want everything , but simply . Okay . 143.37 144.61 145.04 ES2010c D FEE040 3 143.344 180.864 143.52 180.44 Yes . Exactly . So we can go to next . Okay . So in Milan and Paris recently the trends have been showing that clothing , shoes and furniture are basically just covered with fruits and vegetable patterns . So I don't know if we want to go with that um and also the spongy feel is in in contrast to last year . I don't know really , I mean I guess the spongy could relate to the buttons if we want to rather than like a hard clicky button that you find on like some mobiles and stuff , you'd want like a softer touch . I mean do you guys know what I mean . Yeah . 144.53 145.72 147.5 148.22 152.69 159.91 167.17 168.16 176.6 178.55 180.14 180.44 ES2010c A FEE037 0 147.107 148.065 147.39 147.8 Mm 'kay . 147.8 ES2010c A FEE037 0 171.216 172.844 171.25 172.75 Mm . Mm . 172.39 172.75 ES2010c B FEE038 1 179.343 180.852 179.343 180.64 Yeah th - ES2010c A FEE037 0 179.6 180.479 179.62 180.44 Right . Yes . 180.05 180.44 ES2010c D FEE040 3 180.864 196.304 180.9 196.24 Um . But as for the fruits and vegetable patterns , I don't know if we really want to go with that , because it is just a trend , and our product we want to stay around for much longer than just a few months , because Yeah . I mean that could just be a Spring thing right now . 181.72 183.59 185.47 187.35 191.98 193.74 196.24 ES2010c A FEE037 0 187.278 188.104 187.49 187.85 Right . 187.85 ES2010c B FEE038 1 191.851 193.328 191.851 193.328 I I can - ES2010c A FEE037 0 191.853 194.613 191.93 194.5 Right . People don't buy a new remote every so often . 192.12 194.5 ES2010c B FEE038 1 196.32 200.538 196.34 200.49 I can address some of that issue , I think , with uh my presentation . 198.05 198.58 200.49 ES2010c D FEE040 3 200.944 230.021 200.96 229.78 Okay . Awesome . Um so design preferences , um we need easy to read like large buttons , clearly labelled so that , I mean 'cause we talked about that being a problem . Um and then also buttons illuminating upon touch , you said that in your design , with the bulb . Um and that could also tie in with the colour scheme . Uh we need the Real Reaction logo and colour scheme obviously . That's one of our key goals , we wanna promote our product . 201.97 203.79 205.89 209.27 211.16 214.2 217.11 218.66 219.76 223.99 227.62 228.75 229.78 ES2010c A FEE037 0 201.886 202.8 202.18 202.64 Okay . 202.64 ES2010c D FEE040 3 230.021 267.248 230.08 267.248 And I was thinking about different types of designs and I came up with something . Actually right here . So what we could do is something like an old-fashioned telephone like this , where we put the buttons around , like we'd put a big on-off button or something else in the middle , I mean it could be the arrows or whatever for channel up and down , and then put the numbers around in like an old-fashioned dial shape . 'Cause then it'll appeal to older generation and like said retro's cool . So it's classically retro . So I mean that's just an idea if you guys like it . And , yep . And that's it . 234.14 236.33 241.85 243.1 245.45 249.06 252.33 256.31 259.12 262.9 263.95 264.87 267.02 ES2010c A FEE037 0 258.368 258.736 258.39 258.7 Hmm . 258.7 ES2010c A FEE037 0 260.672 264.147 260.84 264.04 Very good . I like it . Okay , ready for the next slide ? 261.27 262.62 263.1 264.04 ES2010c A FEE037 0 265.408 267.088 265.46 266.77 Op mm 'kay . 266.77 ES2010c B FEE038 1 267.024 268.183 267.024 267.74 Okay . 267.74 ES2010c A FEE037 0 267.575 269.44 267.81 269.23 Great . Great presentation . 268.23 269.23 ES2010c A FEE037 0 271.92 272.224 271.94 272.19 Ready ? 272.19 ES2010c C FEE039 2 273.872 274.96 274.0 274.92 Okay hang on . 274.92 ES2010c A FEE037 0 274.791 275.684 274.9 275.54 'Kay . 275.54 ES2010c C FEE039 2 276.32 277.342 276.52 277.2 See if it's there . 277.2 ES2010c A FEE037 0 289.632 291.056 289.65 290.98 Which one is it ? 290.98 ES2010c C FEE039 2 290.203 295.356 290.203 295.17 I don't know . Hang on . Interface concepts , no ? 292.35 293.36 294.71 295.17 ES2010c A FEE037 0 296.176 298.96 296.2 298.4 Interface concepts new . 298.4 ES2010c C FEE039 2 298.32 303.184 298.34 302.62 Either refresh it , or it sh Oh wait , maybe I didn't put it there . Hang on . 299.4 300.39 302.28 302.62 ES2010c A FEE037 0 299.978 300.475 300.09 300.41 Y - ES2010c A FEE037 0 302.705 303.338 302.97 303.17 'Kay . 303.17 ES2010c B FEE038 1 303.104 308.864 303.12 308.83 Mine will always read copy of something or other . I I copied mine before I sent it over . 306.43 308.83 ES2010c A FEE037 0 305.408 306.032 305.48 305.98 Sorry ? 305.98 ES2010c A FEE037 0 308.976 309.536 309.01 309.5 Oh okay . 309.5 ES2010c C FEE039 2 309.887 311.568 309.98 311.53 Sorry , hang on . 310.59 311.53 ES2010c C FEE039 2 312.624 314.08 312.7 314.04 Don't know . 314.04 ES2010c A FEE037 0 328.094 329.584 328.6 329.53 Oh there we go . 329.53 ES2010c C FEE039 2 329.584 330.544 329.6 330.46 Okay . 330.46 ES2010c C FEE039 2 343.936 353.184 343.96 353.13 Okay , um looking at the interface concept , it's gonna be mostly examples of possibilities of where we can go with this . Uh if you wanna start the next slide . 344.48 347.02 351.49 353.13 ES2010c A FEE037 0 353.068 353.706 353.09 353.64 Sure . 353.64 ES2010c C FEE039 2 354.448 388.199 354.49 388.13 Um uh can't really see , but there's two possible ways , on the r left , if you see on th on the sides of of the remote , you have the sort of scroll down , so you have that option right there . And then also there's the idea of the base . That's sort of like an idea there . And then on the right , we have what's really big trend right now , it's the iPod . It's becoming really and so you have this sort of very very simplistic menu section uh with the round buttons , and it's sort of like you have the both kind of trendy and hip , but also very sleek and 355.96 357.22 358.85 361.42 363.08 365.03 367.05 369.67 371.53 373.68 374.6 382.54 386.13 ES2010c C FEE039 2 388.557 398.592 388.59 398.56 um and very simple , but technologically advanced . So if you wanted to do that th if we could find a way of sort of like using that idea in a remote control then sort of 390.64 391.99 ES2010c C FEE039 2 401.184 403.283 401.2 403.13 look into it , but Anyway , next . 401.81 402.6 403.13 ES2010c A FEE037 0 402.163 402.984 402.34 402.87 Mm 'kay . 402.87 ES2010c C FEE039 2 404.4 433.265 404.6 432.92 Um there's the idea of like being able to do it by feel as well as by um by sight . You'd you know you're in the dark , you don't wanna be looking at the remote control . And the picture particularly is pointing out if you look at the top volume button it's a V_ , and so yo you're kind of feeling a V_ like volume up . What it really is is a V_ and what it you think it is is down , because the down arrow . And so it's like a sort of a criticism you'd probably turn that o the other way up . 410.21 411.43 413.82 419.69 424.02 427.41 429.58 432.92 ES2010c A FEE037 0 428.896 429.184 428.92 429.15 Mm . 429.15 ES2010c C FEE039 2 433.265 458.848 433.38 458.71 Um but then you have you could either do it by raised type , which could be you know , iffy , um sort of old-fashioned in a way . Either that or just have it by shape , for example you have a specific triangular shape that you know you're looking at the up and down arrow . And then the round ones you sort of feel by , you know , that's the second one down , that sort of thing . So it's sort of looking into how we wanted t to do it by feel . Okay . 436.99 438.7 439.71 442.74 444.34 448.88 450.72 451.09 452.31 453.0 458.23 458.71 ES2010c A FEE037 0 442.336 442.816 442.37 442.73 Mm . 442.73 ES2010c A FEE037 0 457.045 457.856 457.1 457.45 Okay . 457.45 ES2010c C FEE039 2 459.856 484.118 459.88 484.118 Um this is sort of an example of going for a s certain demographic . Um this is particularly geared towards children . Um it's very cute , and we could probably change it to yellow , bright yellow for like a the for the company logo . Um and you have the shapes and it's very simplistic and friendly looking . Um and then the other thing that it would be able to do is just to pro be ab you program certain 463.46 466.77 468.49 470.14 474.09 478.2 ES2010c D FEE040 3 466.144 467.2 466.22 466.81 That's cute . 466.81 ES2010c C FEE039 2 485.392 491.162 485.392 491.05 channels that only these children would watch , so it's like they ch watch , you know , the C_ Beebies or something like that , 488.0 489.27 489.51 491.05 ES2010c C FEE039 2 491.696 493.489 491.72 493.44 uh keep them away from other channels . 493.44 ES2010c C FEE039 2 493.849 517.92 493.87 517.73 So that's like another ar Um , I mean , these are three examples sort of looking at it . You have the wider section for the main controls there . Uh you could see how many buttons there are . And then on the left you have an example of the round buttons , and a simpler design . On the bottom we probably wouldn't need that , because it's more for like a D_V_D_ function which we are not gonna be using . Um . 495.61 496.39 498.57 502.78 504.95 508.15 510.79 512.66 516.99 517.73 ES2010c A FEE037 0 494.775 495.564 494.99 495.36 Okay . 495.36 ES2010c C FEE039 2 519.968 527.856 519.99 527.82 So again it's sort of like just give you ideas and then down at the bottom you have the logos and that's where you could put the R_R_ , Real Reaction . 527.07 527.82 ES2010c A FEE037 0 527.891 528.871 528.34 528.62 'Kay . 528.62 ES2010c C FEE039 2 530.976 540.272 531.0 540.272 And then finally these are like the sort of same examples , but also some more , just possibilities that we could go with . None of them I'm particularly keen on by the way . 533.62 534.71 537.5 539.8 ES2010c D FEE040 3 540.101 540.908 540.23 540.67 Yeah . 540.67 ES2010c B FEE038 1 540.46 541.066 540.67 541.03 Hmm . 541.03 ES2010c A FEE037 0 541.184 541.952 541.2 541.9 No . 541.9 ES2010c C FEE039 2 541.328 552.859 541.328 552.79 But it's sort of like just taking aspects out of that and saying , well out of this one we like , you know the round section of um , b or we'd like the the button size on this . 546.12 548.03 549.86 552.79 ES2010c A FEE037 0 551.392 556.203 551.42 556.14 Mm . Or I like , you know , the black finish or the silver finish or whatever . 552.56 553.37 553.99 556.14 ES2010c C FEE039 2 555.76 556.216 555.78 556.1 Right . 556.1 ES2010c D FEE040 3 556.544 558.304 556.56 558.21 I have four of those remotes . 558.21 ES2010c A FEE037 0 558.432 563.6 558.432 563.42 Good lord . Okay . Ready ? Oh , yeah . Okay . 560.06 560.88 561.83 562.32 562.79 563.42 ES2010c C FEE039 2 561.6 562.277 561.62 562.23 That's it . 562.23 ES2010c A FEE037 0 564.608 565.856 564.63 565.22 Great job . 565.22 ES2010c B FEE038 1 566.027 567.004 566.19 566.86 Okay , my turn . 566.46 566.86 ES2010c D FEE040 3 567.552 569.216 567.552 568.8 Okay . 568.8 ES2010c A FEE037 0 567.75 568.448 567.82 568.16 Okay . 568.16 ES2010c B FEE038 1 569.136 570.08 569.2 569.89 Whoo . 569.89 ES2010c A FEE037 0 569.728 571.248 569.88 571.0 What's the title ? 571.0 ES2010c B FEE038 1 571.168 574.544 571.19 574.48 It'll be copy of component design . 574.48 ES2010c A FEE037 0 574.16 574.992 574.18 574.86 Got it . 574.86 ES2010c B FEE038 1 578.814 581.328 579.35 581.18 Yeah . Th that looks like it . 579.53 581.18 ES2010c B FEE038 1 583.356 617.057 583.6 616.52 'Kay . So basic remote operation runs as follows , press button makes connection with the power source and the rest of the circuit , chip senses the connection , chip produces a morse code infra-red signal , specific to that button . So you press the button , it produces uh a signal that's encoded specifically for that button . Transistors amplify that signal and it goes to the T_V_'s centre , which interprets the signal response accordingly , changes channel etcetera . So that being said Next slide , please . 584.74 587.95 593.33 595.04 597.98 599.77 601.36 605.3 609.17 611.53 613.93 616.14 616.52 ES2010c B FEE038 1 617.057 643.072 617.18 642.98 Findings oh which were the required materials for the basic internal construction , so all the really simplistic functions that we just discussed , we need rubber for buttons , aluminium for battery y contacts , integrated circuit which consists of a diode , transistor , resonator , resistors , and a capacitator , all those basic things that make a circuit function . Um fibreglass and thin copper wire to create the actual circuit board itself . 622.19 626.07 627.23 629.7 632.09 632.89 633.69 634.4 635.84 639.04 642.98 ES2010c B FEE038 1 644.064 678.009 644.08 677.97 An L_E_D_ , which is a light emitting diode , um contact discs for the buttons , plastic for the casing , and a power-source , whatever power-source we've actually determined we want . Next slide , please . Thank you . Uh personal preferences , uh to save money for the components , the remote should be mass-produced and basic materials should be bought en masse . Um if we find another company who can produce the required chips , casing , L_E_D_ , any additional materials we decide we require at a less expensive rate than we ourselves are producing , we should go for it . 644.85 648.04 650.31 652.08 653.49 656.68 657.15 658.0 658.99 660.28 662.04 666.94 670.83 671.33 671.89 677.16 677.97 ES2010c B FEE038 1 679.062 717.9 679.062 717.9 Next slide , please . Um just talking to the um manufacturing division . They suggested power options , solar cells , hand dynamo , and kinetic power , so you shake it and it increases the power . Um I'm not sure how the hand dynamo works , they have yet to get back to me on that . So next slide , please . Suggested casing options . Okay . We can offer options for casing such as straight , curved , double-curved , you know , very specific to the customer . Options for materials , plastic , rubber , titanium , wood . I don't think anyone's gonna go for a wood one , because splinters 679.95 681.0 686.44 687.88 689.1 690.68 691.67 695.15 697.04 698.9 700.35 701.95 704.12 704.8 707.15 707.51 708.69 709.18 711.17 712.37 712.9 713.28 714.06 714.4 716.71 ES2010c A FEE037 0 698.751 699.152 698.92 699.12 Hmm . 699.12 ES2010c A FEE037 0 700.669 701.696 700.86 701.6 Interesting . 701.6 ES2010c D FEE040 3 717.008 720.425 717.03 720.425 That would be amazing , though , yeah . No , splinters would 718.0 718.28 719.37 719.57 ES2010c B FEE038 1 719.008 763.336 719.57 763.28 Yeah . Um certain restrictions do apply here though . Uh latex , you can't do solar power with a latex one . So , if they want some a soft squishy rubber , they can't have the solar powered option . Double-curved , you can't do titanium . Um that would be two curvatures , so it would actually , if you the shape of your hand , you curve here and you curve here , so you could have two curves that match the shape of your hand to make it more comfortable to hold . Now if you wanted that , you can't do titanium . And uh so you functions what for the buttons , scrolling function could be very beneficial to us instead of actual buttons themselves . I think I have one more slide . No , I didn't . 720.82 723.33 724.12 726.71 727.5 729.52 731.76 732.87 734.69 736.11 737.31 738.99 741.47 745.81 746.77 749.08 752.64 761.05 762.49 762.82 763.28 ES2010c D FEE040 3 733.216 733.994 733.24 733.88 What is that ? 733.88 ES2010c A FEE037 0 741.258 741.942 741.43 741.84 Mm . 741.84 ES2010c D FEE040 3 745.152 745.84 745.17 745.81 Mm . 745.81 ES2010c C FEE039 2 752.738 753.616 753.02 753.46 Right . 753.46 ES2010c A FEE037 0 760.969 761.838 761.26 761.71 'Kay . 761.71 ES2010c A FEE037 0 762.731 764.042 762.83 763.81 No , okay . 763.48 763.81 ES2010c B FEE038 1 763.336 824.096 763.64 823.92 Um the manufacturing division also has said that um they have several types of chips and they've just developed a sample sensor or sample speaker chip , which we could utilise . Um push button requires a simple chip and scroll requires more complicated chip . So depends on what we decide we wanna do . In addition to that if we're offering all those different options to the customer for producing their remote , we're going to have to have multiples of each type , like a double-curved in rubber , um you know , each option should have a certain select number produced with all those options . So we'll have to mix it up , make sure we produce enough of everyone . But that could also drive up the price of the actual remote itself if they know that we only produced five thousand , you know , double-curved wooden remotes . 775.94 778.24 784.74 788.75 795.02 798.21 801.56 803.44 809.63 810.94 813.56 819.81 821.31 823.92 ES2010c A FEE037 0 815.682 816.359 815.84 816.18 Mm . 816.18 ES2010c D FEE040 3 821.137 821.934 821.31 821.67 Right . 821.67 ES2010c D FEE040 3 825.915 826.673 826.03 826.36 Okay . 826.36 ES2010c A FEE037 0 825.875 835.793 826.04 835.68 Hmm . Okay . Alright , well thank you for those informative presentations . Let's go back to um Now we have to make some decisions . 826.65 827.51 828.3 831.5 835.68 ES2010c B FEE038 1 826.128 828.208 826.58 827.34 And that's all I got . 827.34 ES2010c A FEE037 0 836.149 837.024 836.2 836.75 Where were we ? 836.75 ES2010c C FEE039 2 837.44 845.296 837.46 845.24 Let me just add one more thing that I couldn't say before , and that's just that there's the new technology that they've developed on the voice recognition . 839.79 845.24 ES2010c A FEE037 0 839.328 839.853 839.35 839.82 Sure . 839.82 ES2010c C FEE039 2 845.9 846.631 846.06 846.53 Um . 846.53 ES2010c D FEE040 3 846.599 848.551 846.62 848.44 Oh this the thing we were talking about earlier . 848.44 ES2010c C FEE039 2 848.337 865.776 848.59 865.74 Right except that it's sort of odd , and I'm no not exactly sure why they are explaining it in the way they are , um there's a sample sensor and there's a sample speaker unit for So , you would say like , good morning , coffeemaker , and it would respond , good morning , Jill , but 850.89 855.4 860.16 861.03 861.86 862.49 863.91 864.41 865.42 ES2010c C FEE039 2 866.8 885.406 866.82 885.25 I'm not sure exactly how it's gonna work , 'cause do you programme do we program the responses and the questions . So does that mean that the user then has to ask the specific question , and can't change it in order for it to be recognised , or can it be altered in a certain way , or does the actually user program it , to say a channel means this . 869.17 872.99 877.37 880.42 881.97 883.64 885.25 ES2010c A FEE037 0 878.055 878.656 878.14 878.61 Mm . 878.61 ES2010c A FEE037 0 883.76 885.68 883.78 885.65 Right . Right . 885.37 885.65 ES2010c D FEE040 3 885.088 891.728 885.11 891.69 Yeah , like using the menu to be like , enter your name into the screen like on the menu options . So that way the remote reads it . 885.33 887.02 889.7 891.69 ES2010c C FEE039 2 889.644 897.728 889.75 897.69 Right , so it's got like a limited memory and programme it . So it's sort of iffy , but that's kind of what you'd say . 890.54 893.75 895.16 897.69 ES2010c A FEE037 0 895.136 895.6 895.19 895.57 Mm . 895.57 ES2010c D FEE040 3 898.352 900.688 898.38 900.65 I feel like voice recognition would be , 900.65 ES2010c D FEE040 3 902.336 907.136 902.36 907.136 I don't know , w it would be too hard to really I mean we could do it , but 903.43 906.84 ES2010c A FEE037 0 902.928 903.456 902.95 903.21 Hmm . 903.21 ES2010c A FEE037 0 905.222 906.123 905.3 905.92 Programme . 905.92 ES2010c A FEE037 0 907.92 913.468 907.94 913.468 If it's within our price to get that kind of chip that would , you know , technology 912.09 912.76 ES2010c D FEE040 3 911.523 912.192 911.54 912.07 Technology . 912.07 ES2010c B FEE038 1 911.985 918.032 911.985 918.032 Well , we are making the chip . So , I mean 913.15 915.57 917.22 ES2010c A FEE037 0 914.659 915.632 914.97 915.49 Hmm . 915.49 ES2010c B FEE038 1 919.584 927.584 919.82 927.34 But , I guess , we have to look at w what our production cost is for the chip itself anyway . Yeah . 920.11 920.51 926.37 927.34 ES2010c D FEE040 3 924.7 929.158 924.72 929.03 And it is a growing trend , the higher technological , like 926.43 928.8 ES2010c A FEE037 0 926.304 926.993 926.48 926.94 Mm . 926.94 ES2010c D FEE040 3 930.032 932.272 930.05 932.24 the , I mean just like the more advanced it is , 930.62 932.24 ES2010c B FEE038 1 933.008 933.392 933.03 933.36 Yeah . 933.36 ES2010c D FEE040 3 932.997 934.656 933.28 934.56 the better it'll sell . 934.56 ES2010c B FEE038 1 934.008 947.44 934.16 947.41 I I thought offering some of those options for different materials that it could be made of different , you know I think we'd have to decide on the power options , maybe . So that we could reduce cost . Yeah . 940.62 944.38 945.28 946.99 947.41 ES2010c A FEE037 0 944.96 945.408 945.15 945.37 Hmm . 945.37 ES2010c D FEE040 3 945.328 948.525 945.35 948.525 Yeah , 'cause we need to know how big it's gonna be and how heavy . 945.5 948.29 ES2010c A FEE037 0 948.112 957.696 948.13 956.12 Okay , that kind of brings us to this , let's let's see if we can decide what kind of energy source we want to have first and foremost . Um . 948.41 949.87 955.67 956.12 ES2010c B FEE038 1 950.456 950.992 950.63 950.89 Okay . 950.89 ES2010c A FEE037 0 959.216 966.208 959.27 966.17 Do we wanna go for batteries or a stand like the one that we saw illustrated earlier ? 966.17 ES2010c D FEE040 3 968.4 969.524 968.51 969.49 Oh the base , yeah . 969.21 969.49 ES2010c A FEE037 0 969.344 973.71 969.36 973.49 The base , the charging base with rechargeable batteries ? 970.63 973.49 ES2010c B FEE038 1 971.786 972.459 971.88 972.34 I think the p - ES2010c C FEE039 2 971.75 983.632 971.94 983.632 I always feel like first I wanna know what it looks like , before 'Cause if it's something really really small , then it's sort of harder to imagine a base for it , that was p quite a s substantial size sort of standing up 973.94 977.26 980.34 ES2010c A FEE037 0 974.768 975.344 974.88 975.14 Hmm . 975.14 ES2010c A FEE037 0 983.728 990.608 983.75 990.52 Yeah , and we don't have multiple things that it has to control , it just has to control the T_V_ . It's not gonna be a huge universal remote . 983.99 986.62 988.46 990.52 ES2010c D FEE040 3 983.606 984.335 983.87 984.08 W - ES2010c D FEE040 3 990.992 997.472 991.01 997.472 We need to decide , well so we can figure how big it's gonna be , like exactly what buttons we want and exactly 992.06 993.82 ES2010c C FEE039 2 990.951 991.714 991.11 991.51 Right . 991.51 ES2010c A FEE037 0 993.952 995.968 994.15 995.968 What size battery and - ES2010c C FEE039 2 996.64 1008.311 996.66 1008.18 Well , the other thing is like even if it's got a few buttons , so we want it to be bigger than this , 'cause it still fits in your hand , so you still wanted something that's comfortable and substantial , but not necessarily full of buttons . 997.38 999.86 1002.58 1004.03 1006.26 1008.18 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1000.064 1003.046 1000.08 1003.046 It could be like this . Yes . I'd , well uh 1001.54 1002.1 1002.35 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1007.968 1012.304 1007.99 1012.304 This one is really comfortable , like I like the sides whatever , because 1009.42 1011.76 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1011.313 1012.895 1011.47 1012.84 Are you gonna lose it easier ? 1012.84 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1012.976 1017.648 1013.0 1017.45 But if we have the um , the locator , then we don't have to worry about that . 1015.14 1016.39 1017.45 ES2010c B FEE038 1 1017.568 1018.752 1017.63 1018.23 That's true . 1018.23 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1018.688 1021.392 1018.71 1021.36 So we can make it small if we have a l locating device . 1021.36 ES2010c B FEE038 1 1021.41 1029.184 1021.55 1029.184 If we do a voice-activated locator , though , we're gonna be looking at a more substantial chip . So 1023.37 1023.64 1027.92 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1021.451 1022.16 1021.55 1021.94 Yeah . 1021.94 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1027.968 1028.332 1027.99 1028.22 Hmm . 1028.22 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1027.912 1030.608 1028.39 1030.608 So i That's the other thing , it's like 1029.88 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1032.176 1033.165 1032.2 1033.165 You know - ES2010c C FEE039 2 1033.936 1037.04 1033.96 1037.0 Are we gonna have certain chips that are gonna require bigger size period ? 1037.0 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1037.312 1038.528 1037.33 1038.23 Two double A_s , 1038.23 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1039.43 1040.272 1039.47 1040.19 for this size . 1040.19 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1043.808 1049.698 1043.83 1049.51 But like , you know , if we get more complicated then it's gonna v be have to be bigger to just accommodate the chip size . 1044.22 1044.52 1049.51 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1046.992 1047.344 1047.01 1047.31 Right . 1047.31 ES2010c B FEE038 1 1049.888 1057.296 1049.91 1057.296 Honestly , I think the customer would be kind of irritated by the fact that it has a base if we did do a nice small , compact 1050.31 1056.06 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1056.624 1060.752 1056.64 1060.752 Right . I agree , it's either gonna be bigger with a base or smaller with just 1057.49 1057.96 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1057.584 1058.048 1057.6 1058.01 Yeah . 1058.01 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1058.017 1059.079 1058.11 1058.7 So we sh - ES2010c D FEE040 3 1059.834 1061.872 1059.89 1061.84 Smaller , without Yeah . 1060.28 1061.84 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1061.856 1068.272 1061.88 1067.46 A battery like this guy . Alright , so what direction do you want to go in ? You wanna vote ? 1064.34 1064.63 1066.84 1067.46 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1062.656 1062.998 1062.68 1062.92 Yeah . 1062.92 ES2010c B FEE038 1 1062.72 1063.792 1062.75 1063.76 Mm yeah . 1063.76 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1068.208 1072.912 1068.23 1072.88 I think if we had a a locating device with the small one , I think that seems way more advanced . 1071.03 1072.88 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1072.79 1075.824 1072.85 1075.79 I'm kind of I'm kind of leaning in the direction of this kind of - ES2010c B FEE038 1 1073.493 1074.385 1073.71 1074.26 Yeah . 1074.26 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1074.236 1075.711 1074.26 1075.65 I'm a away from - ES2010c C FEE039 2 1076.592 1078.043 1076.61 1077.9 the base . Yeah . 1077.62 1077.9 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1076.896 1080.096 1076.92 1080.096 bigger and the base . That just seems so clunky and 1078.66 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1077.744 1078.185 1077.76 1078.13 Yeah . 1078.13 ES2010c B FEE038 1 1078.459 1079.456 1078.48 1079.456 'Kay so - ES2010c D FEE040 3 1080.016 1086.466 1080.04 1086.466 Yeah , because I mean if even looking at cellphones right now , those trends the smaller the hotter it is , yeah 1080.29 1083.45 1086.18 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1084.24 1086.256 1084.26 1086.256 Smaller and smaller , yeah , yeah , yeah . 1085.25 1085.49 1085.64 1086.12 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1086.19 1086.965 1086.31 1086.78 Okay . 1086.78 ES2010c B FEE038 1 1086.912 1090.112 1086.93 1090.08 The only problem with that is if you forget to take it out of your pocket and it goes in wash . 1090.08 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1090.032 1091.328 1090.032 1090.98 Oh . 1090.98 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1090.296 1092.069 1090.296 1092.0 You're kidding . 1092.0 ES2010c B FEE038 1 1091.961 1097.012 1091.961 1096.92 You know it happens . I've had three watches go that way too . 1094.34 1096.92 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1093.463 1093.867 1093.52 1093.78 Hmm . 1093.78 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1094.272 1094.747 1094.29 1094.67 Yeah . 1094.67 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1096.272 1099.68 1096.29 1099.68 Oh watches I've but I've never washed a cell phone . 1099.28 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1096.336 1096.784 1096.41 1096.75 Ouch . 1096.75 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1098.272 1101.616 1098.35 1101.25 A phone , whoa , that would wow , that would hurt . 1098.91 1099.2 1100.71 1101.25 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1101.54 1105.072 1101.56 1105.02 Okay , so what kind of material do we want to be made out of ? 1101.84 1105.02 ES2010c B FEE038 1 1101.552 1102.636 1101.57 1102.49 Pieces everywhere . 1102.49 ES2010c B FEE038 1 1105.331 1108.56 1105.52 1108.48 Well , we have lots of options . I don't think wood is a viable option . 1105.69 1106.67 1108.48 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1107.67 1108.749 1107.69 1108.55 Yeah wood . 1108.55 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1108.432 1111.664 1109.14 1111.49 No . Oh what did you Oh sorry , go ahead . 1109.84 1111.11 1111.49 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1109.584 1114.656 1109.6 1114.45 Well , titanium s I was saying that titanium , if we're being restricted then 1109.8 1112.84 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1116.032 1118.032 1116.05 1117.94 I would probably lean away from that . 1117.94 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1118.288 1121.456 1118.31 1121.42 Yeah , 'cause if it's gonna cost us more to produce a chip , titanium will be more expensive . 1118.61 1120.17 1121.42 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1121.616 1124.144 1121.64 1123.92 Right . What would you recommend ? 1123.09 1123.92 ES2010c B FEE038 1 1122.148 1134.345 1122.24 1134.18 However , well , we only wanna sell it for twenty five Euro right ? 'Cause I was thinking if we wanted to get the high in market then you could produce a few in titanium , make them a rarity so to speak . 1124.07 1124.38 1127.38 1132.26 1134.18 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1124.001 1124.568 1124.08 1124.4 Yeah . 1124.4 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1126.96 1127.472 1126.98 1127.44 Yeah . 1127.44 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1129.168 1130.294 1129.2 1130.14 That'll Yeah , exactly . 1129.67 1130.14 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1131.616 1132.064 1131.66 1132.02 Mm . 1132.02 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1132.949 1134.375 1133.16 1134.34 The selling point , yeah . 1133.93 1134.34 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1133.696 1140.003 1133.72 1140.003 We could do that , because all our research shows that people are definitely willing to spend more if 1134.36 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1139.024 1140.64 1139.06 1140.61 Are we restricted by this ? 1140.61 ES2010c B FEE038 1 1139.2 1139.601 1139.23 1139.57 Yeah . 1139.57 ES2010c B FEE038 1 1142.429 1144.272 1142.5 1144.272 Well the original - ES2010c A FEE037 0 1142.468 1151.952 1142.72 1151.9 I I think we should just focus on one design and one concept right now.I'm not sure that we'll have the time and money to produce a whole array of - ES2010c C FEE039 2 1143.022 1144.268 1143.12 1143.91 Twenty five Euros - ES2010c B FEE038 1 1147.456 1148.0 1147.57 1147.89 Okay . 1147.89 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1153.264 1160.365 1153.28 1160.17 remotes . If this was a successful remote , we might then produce a higher end version of it , I think . 1154.67 1156.89 1159.83 1160.17 ES2010c B FEE038 1 1160.409 1161.888 1160.49 1161.75 Yeah . Good plan . 1161.31 1161.75 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1160.451 1160.976 1160.56 1160.94 Good plan . 1160.94 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1161.968 1166.784 1162.42 1166.71 Okay , so we wanna go for plastic , or what would you recommend for materials ? 1162.67 1164.74 1166.71 ES2010c B FEE038 1 1167.065 1198.384 1167.11 1198.384 Honestly I'd recommend like um uh since we're going with batteries instead of solar power , I'd recommend maybe a uh soft like latex , because we could produce , you know how cellphones have those overlays that you can change the colour . We could do uh one that fits in with the trends of the year so , because this year is all fruit , God only knows why , um we could do f a cherry cover for this year and then i if next year is stripes or solids , you know 1172.38 1176.54 1178.56 1182.68 1186.38 1189.1 1190.45 1197.91 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1167.654 1168.388 1167.79 1168.33 Hmm . 1168.33 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1182.765 1183.808 1182.82 1183.72 Oh . 1183.72 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1182.618 1183.452 1182.88 1183.3 Mm-hmm . 1183.3 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1184.128 1184.704 1184.21 1184.64 Mm . 1184.64 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1189.024 1191.011 1189.26 1190.84 Yeah , who knows . 1189.96 1190.84 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1198.72 1199.222 1198.8 1199.19 Okay . 1199.19 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1198.443 1207.332 1198.95 1207.14 So you're talking about like when it leaves our salesroom then it's all gonna be cherry-coloured or is it gonna be the kinda thing where people come back and swap it ? 1207.14 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1205.968 1208.019 1206.09 1207.95 O or we could like take off this . 1207.95 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1206.848 1209.432 1206.87 1209.22 They could buy cases , maybe , 1208.86 1209.22 ES2010c B FEE038 1 1207.089 1224.224 1207.11 1224.19 They could come back . And buy the extra case . So we could do like a b a hard base plastic , and then we could give two latex covers to start . 1208.98 1214.25 1217.07 1224.19 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1210.118 1211.008 1210.27 1210.94 Okay . 1210.94 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1210.4 1213.968 1210.42 1213.87 if they wanted . I think it's good to sell a basic thing and then sell 1211.67 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1214.887 1215.493 1214.91 1215.45 options . 1215.45 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1216.974 1217.742 1217.12 1217.64 Yeah . 1217.64 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1219.289 1222.106 1219.42 1221.94 The what the top face , right ? 1221.6 1221.94 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1219.991 1221.993 1219.991 1221.87 Yeah . 1221.87 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1221.936 1223.866 1222.01 1223.55 Okay . Okay . 1223.22 1223.55 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1225.6 1233.12 1225.63 1233.08 Yeah , because the soft latex definitely is squishy . That's in . Well I mean squishier than like , yeah , just a hard plastic . 1225.82 1228.28 1229.19 1231.49 1232.01 1233.08 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1230.928 1232.457 1230.95 1232.3 Right . Right . 1231.79 1232.3 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1233.28 1237.024 1233.3 1236.98 Okay , and what kind of chip would we need for this guy ? 1233.57 1236.98 ES2010c B FEE038 1 1237.115 1239.824 1237.22 1239.824 How complicated Are we gonna go with the voice activated - ES2010c C FEE039 2 1238.584 1239.491 1238.75 1239.38 Yeah . 1239.38 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1239.792 1248.544 1239.81 1248.24 I don't think we should do voice , I think we should just do um the recognition for when it's lost , you know . could we Yeah . 1240.98 1245.87 1246.85 1248.24 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1246.609 1247.904 1246.75 1247.87 A tracker , yeah . 1247.59 1247.87 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1248.464 1254.144 1248.48 1254.06 'Cause that uh what it type of , yeah , for voice activation would it be like a certain term what we would say like , 1250.2 1250.38 1254.06 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1254.192 1254.752 1254.28 1254.71 Hmm . 1254.71 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1254.976 1258.256 1255.0 1258.22 because people could just be talking and we don't want it going off all the time . 1258.22 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1260.4 1261.088 1260.52 1260.78 Right . 1260.78 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1261.008 1261.577 1261.03 1261.577 So uh - ES2010c B FEE038 1 1261.392 1264.88 1261.41 1264.84 Well , we could give it a specific code , you know , remote missing . 1261.53 1263.22 1263.6 1264.84 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1266.56 1276.531 1266.58 1276.36 Ooh . Uh see I'm uh I'm strangely attracted to it , because I know that's it's definitely gonna be big , because it's , I don't know , it's just so high-tech . 1268.02 1269.92 1273.15 1274.96 1275.31 1276.36 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1275.312 1291.607 1275.33 1291.52 Well , my little sister got for Christmas she got one of those key finders that's like a key-ring , and you have to whistle in a certain frequency for it to work . And then she would laugh and it would start going off in her purse , and you couldn't turn it off . So it became highly irritating . 1276.17 1281.23 1285.41 1288.0 1289.87 1291.52 ES2010c B FEE038 1 1284.784 1286.768 1284.97 1286.63 Yeah , see that would just irritate me . 1285.14 1286.63 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1289.168 1289.744 1289.19 1289.69 Oh dear . 1289.69 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1289.296 1290.747 1289.33 1290.71 Oh , then maybe voice 1289.94 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1291.456 1292.016 1291.48 1291.95 Okay . 1291.95 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1291.936 1293.712 1291.96 1293.65 maybe voice activation won't be good . 1293.65 ES2010c B FEE038 1 1290.8 1294.849 1292.32 1294.72 So I think having a key-phrase is much better . 1294.72 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1294.8 1302.876 1294.84 1302.72 Okay . Alright . But it's not gonna be voice activated in the fact that you would say , channel up , and it would work , right ? Just a Okay , alright . 1295.78 1296.08 1298.84 1299.58 1300.22 1301.07 1302.43 1302.72 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1300.32 1302.32 1300.34 1302.28 Yeah , n n no , we just want it to be a finder . 1300.64 1300.93 1302.28 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1300.547 1301.592 1300.94 1301.592 But then it - ES2010c B FEE038 1 1301.104 1301.936 1301.13 1301.6 No . 1301.6 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1302.688 1304.336 1302.85 1304.19 Hmm . Okay . 1303.31 1304.19 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1304.048 1306.734 1304.15 1306.734 But do can your can the department make - ES2010c B FEE038 1 1305.056 1313.12 1306.88 1313.12 That would be like a mid-class um Yeah . So we don't actually have to go for 1310.77 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1309.776 1310.832 1309.84 1310.77 Oh , brilliant then . 1310.01 1310.77 ES2010c B FEE038 1 1314.624 1322.733 1314.69 1322.64 Well , if they've just developed the sample sensor , sample speaker , it's a brand new chip . Why not introduce it in this way ? 1315.23 1316.92 1320.13 1321.1 1322.64 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1321.066 1321.928 1321.47 1321.8 No . 1321.8 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1323.072 1324.119 1323.09 1324.06 Yeah , good point . 1323.55 1324.06 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1323.376 1323.958 1323.44 1323.9 Mm 'kay . 1323.9 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1325.056 1329.632 1325.08 1329.13 Uh and what size batteries , double A_ , triple A_ ? 1328.05 1328.56 1329.13 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1329.552 1331.508 1329.57 1331.33 I think triple A_ , it'll be lighter . 1330.52 1331.33 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1331.472 1331.824 1331.49 1331.79 Two ? 1331.79 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1332.88 1334.046 1332.91 1334.046 Could it run off of two - ES2010c D FEE040 3 1332.992 1335.971 1333.01 1335.82 I mean more more come in a package . Yeah . 1335.67 1335.82 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1334.128 1335.962 1334.15 1335.89 Well , that depends on what the energy is needed . 1334.24 1335.89 ES2010c B FEE038 1 1335.712 1359.344 1336.54 1359.3 I think , well , we could d r do two or we could do one small lithium , 'cause you know the lithium batteries are doing quite well in most other electronic products , right ? So they're more widely available now . And they also have a longer battery life than most batteries . But if you only have to replace it every five years . 1337.29 1337.69 1342.47 1347.86 1348.74 1351.41 1356.35 1359.3 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1354.48 1355.831 1354.5 1355.73 They're more expensive though , too . 1355.41 1355.73 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1358.352 1359.35 1358.44 1358.77 Mm . 1358.77 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1360.992 1361.886 1361.01 1361.78 That's a good point . 1361.78 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1361.408 1362.684 1361.43 1362.64 Thoughts anybody ? 1362.64 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1362.128 1363.312 1362.15 1363.28 As long as we sell it with it . 1363.28 ES2010c B FEE038 1 1363.664 1372.752 1364.43 1372.3 Well , how about a initial , you get one battery when you buy it , 'cause I'm pretty sure we can get them pretty cheap on bulk . Yeah . 1364.87 1366.68 1368.68 1371.81 1372.3 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1368.509 1369.957 1368.68 1369.83 Right , that's what I meant . 1369.14 1369.83 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1370.0 1372.832 1370.02 1372.8 We could think about it and come back to it next meeting . We still have one more meeting . 1372.03 1372.8 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1370.816 1373.344 1370.84 1373.21 Okay . Yeah . Alright . 1371.76 1372.77 1373.21 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1380.208 1380.768 1380.28 1380.65 Okay . 1380.65 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1381.952 1388.883 1382.12 1388.62 So we've covered that first category , User Interface Concept , meaning design . 1384.49 1386.67 1388.62 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1388.254 1389.968 1388.38 1389.89 What's it gonna Yeah , what's it gonna look like . 1389.06 1389.89 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1390.016 1401.08 1390.08 1400.99 Okay . I ki I kind of like your idea about the retro phone dial , and that the central button could have , maybe our logo on it ? 1391.27 1395.95 1399.98 1400.99 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1391.152 1392.768 1391.17 1392.73 Um . 1392.73 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1402.112 1406.332 1402.13 1406.29 It might be the four way scroll , too . I mean if Yeah . 1403.72 1404.41 1406.29 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1404.384 1412.944 1404.4 1412.91 Yeah , it could be whatever , as long as there's something big in the middle , because like the old phones , there's like that just like piece of metal or like a picture or something in the middle . 1404.72 1405.96 1407.81 1409.48 1412.91 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1409.04 1409.45 1409.06 1409.38 Yeah . 1409.38 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1411.324 1412.146 1411.53 1411.87 Mm-hmm . 1411.87 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1411.696 1425.472 1411.72 1425.41 Well , my issue with that is if it got too big though , 'cause if you have the circle and the button in the middle , then is it gonna get wider than your your hands are , because w And then would the buttons be too small if it was enough to fit on it ? 1412.62 1415.36 1417.65 1420.75 1425.41 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1418.48 1419.254 1418.63 1418.93 Mm . 1418.93 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1418.928 1419.792 1418.96 1419.76 Oh , that's true . 1419.08 1419.76 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1425.568 1426.224 1425.59 1426.18 Good point . 1426.18 ES2010c B FEE038 1 1426.476 1442.432 1426.52 1441.76 In the sample ones that you showed us there was one that had the scroll buttons on the side , which I think if we make it curved like a hand like a hand-shape like if we put the the scroll-button on the side , that could be particularly useful . 1431.78 1439.52 1441.76 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1431.264 1431.616 1431.28 1431.58 Yeah . 1431.58 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1431.536 1431.978 1431.56 1431.94 Yeah . 1431.94 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1439.04 1440.02 1439.06 1439.97 Oh , I see what you mean . 1439.18 1439.97 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1441.312 1441.936 1441.33 1441.9 I think so . 1441.9 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1442.352 1444.736 1442.37 1444.64 So scroll buttons on the side and then buttons on top ? 1444.64 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1443.44 1445.008 1443.46 1444.97 Yeah , I like that . 'Kay . 1443.71 1444.78 1444.97 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1456.529 1460.478 1456.61 1460.25 But we definitely If we have scroll things on the side , we definitely have to have 'em labelled . 1458.72 1460.25 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1461.408 1461.824 1461.44 1461.64 Mm . 1461.64 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1462.0 1466.223 1462.02 1466.11 Yeah , like on the side of it . Oh if it's just up and down . 1462.91 1465.13 1466.11 ES2010c B FEE038 1 1461.776 1465.52 1463.0 1465.52 Well , if it's just up and down 1463.1 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1465.984 1470.064 1466.0 1469.91 But is that for Which ? 1469.91 ES2010c B FEE038 1 1467.768 1470.656 1467.88 1470.62 Volume or channel . I don't know . 1470.13 1470.62 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1470.576 1472.528 1470.6 1472.47 Well , you could do some on both sides . 1470.75 1472.47 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1470.87 1472.592 1471.11 1472.55 Do we have both sides ? 1472.55 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1473.232 1473.875 1473.33 1473.8 Can we ? 1473.8 ES2010c B FEE038 1 1472.816 1483.104 1473.47 1483.02 Mm yeah . We should probably make it that you have to depress it to activate it then , 'cause oth otherwise you're not just holding it and going like this , you know . 1475.44 1479.46 1482.63 1483.02 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1478.768 1482.188 1478.79 1481.95 Yeah . That's squishy . That's squishy . 1480.18 1481.29 1481.95 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1479.232 1481.384 1479.25 1481.34 So that you're just not holding it and it changes the chan - ES2010c C FEE039 2 1482.592 1487.344 1482.61 1487.24 Well , the other option is in instead of a scroll you just have the buttons up on the side which are on the side . 1482.7 1487.24 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1484.912 1485.808 1484.912 1485.77 have buttons . 1485.77 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1486.352 1488.317 1486.37 1488.28 Mm . Yeah . 1487.84 1488.28 ES2010c B FEE038 1 1487.664 1488.0 1487.69 1487.97 Okay . 1487.97 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1487.92 1489.216 1487.94 1489.18 Yeah , that . 1488.96 1489.18 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1490.304 1490.811 1490.37 1490.72 Hmm . 1490.72 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1499.968 1501.99 1500.39 1501.52 'Kay any other ideas ? 1501.52 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1503.232 1505.952 1503.25 1505.79 Um what colour ? 1505.79 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1506.4 1510.093 1506.44 1509.94 Oh , yeah . Latex covers . W 1506.73 1507.95 1509.73 ES2010c B FEE038 1 1509.246 1520.08 1509.246 1520.04 We have to make sure that logo always sticks out when we put the latex covers on , so we'll have to like have a little square or something , so that the our logo's available . 1514.81 1517.46 1520.04 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1518.265 1524.592 1518.31 1524.55 Well I sort of like having the a yellow strip at the bottom with the R_R_ like that . 1524.55 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1525.68 1526.048 1525.7 1526.01 Yeah . 1526.01 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1525.593 1527.232 1525.84 1526.98 And that's at the bottom of it . 1526.98 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1527.152 1541.088 1527.17 1541.05 I think maybe we should do it on a b button itself though , because if people are able to change the covers , I don't know , maybe the on-off button , something , some the menu button , I don't know , but you know if we're gonna put our company logo on there and somebody could just get 1529.91 1532.66 1533.01 1534.13 1534.88 1536.77 1537.22 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1531.056 1531.923 1531.08 1531.81 Which button ? 1531.81 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1542.288 1545.76 1542.33 1545.71 another one . Are they all gonna have our company logo on them ? Every cover ? 1542.76 1545.04 1545.71 ES2010c B FEE038 1 1545.872 1552.877 1546.08 1552.53 Yeah , I don't think we should do that , because that would just be icky . So I think maybe putting it on a button is probably a good idea . 1546.35 1547.49 1550.0 1552.53 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1549.247 1550.064 1549.39 1549.97 Yeah . 1549.97 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1553.072 1555.408 1553.09 1555.408 If we want it to be visible and - ES2010c A FEE037 0 1556.944 1577.564 1556.96 1577.47 Um are all those those one that you showed where they were um s met silver-metallic looking ? But those are plastic , right ? They're not titanium . I kind of like that look . Uh but , or if it was really Yeah , for the base or if we're going for the retro look , I think , like a really shiny black would be cool . 1564.29 1565.12 1565.63 1566.7 1569.08 1569.44 1571.8 1574.47 1575.2 1577.47 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1563.808 1564.128 1563.83 1564.09 Yeah . 1564.09 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1565.497 1566.166 1565.59 1565.94 Yeah . 1565.94 ES2010c B FEE038 1 1569.664 1572.064 1569.68 1572.064 For our base one ? 1571.49 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1577.808 1582.578 1577.83 1582.34 Yeah , or like a gun-metal grey , 'cause then it combines the silver and the black . 1578.44 1579.81 1582.34 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1578.397 1580.784 1578.44 1580.75 What are your thoughts ? Gun-metal gray . 1579.8 1580.75 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1582.012 1584.096 1582.19 1584.0 There you go , gun-metal gray . 1583.03 1584.0 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1594.8 1597.952 1594.82 1597.88 I'm just really wary of the putting anything on a button . 1597.88 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1597.872 1598.368 1597.89 1598.17 Why ? 1598.17 ES2010c B FEE038 1 1598.649 1600.912 1598.72 1600.912 It'll wear off . 1600.7 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1599.291 1604.288 1599.31 1604.25 What's the button Well , w w then what's the button do , and how do you know that that is what the button does ? 1600.6 1601.94 1604.25 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1599.184 1600.565 1599.54 1600.53 Yeah , buttons wear off . 1599.74 1600.53 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1600.431 1601.142 1600.55 1600.84 Mm . 1600.84 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1606.0 1613.2 1606.02 1613.11 I guess . Just looking at examples , y you just don't ever see the logo on a button , it's always on the actual casing . 1607.73 1609.0 1611.58 1613.11 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1613.312 1614.144 1613.4 1614.09 Right . 1614.09 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1615.469 1616.524 1615.82 1616.27 Hmm . 1616.27 ES2010c B FEE038 1 1617.168 1622.832 1618.1 1622.832 There's nothing saying that we have to put the logo on the front of the actual - ES2010c D FEE040 3 1621.376 1624.335 1621.51 1624.14 But we want it to be seen . We need it to be seen . 1623.02 1624.14 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1621.49 1629.904 1621.52 1629.86 On the back ? It d visible Visibility though 'Cause if it was only on the back really the only time you're gonna see it is when you drop it or when you're changing the battery . 1622.49 1629.86 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1621.415 1624.365 1621.58 1624.21 But you don't But uh , yeah , you don't see it . 1623.06 1623.34 1624.21 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1627.664 1629.248 1627.68 1628.81 Well , hang on . 1628.48 1628.81 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1630.544 1634.624 1630.56 1634.624 The other option is , I don't know if you can see it but it's like if 1631.63 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1635.248 1636.688 1635.34 1636.64 I can find it again . 1636.64 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1636.656 1639.296 1636.72 1639.2 Yeah , it's like the second to last slide . 1637.59 1639.2 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1639.312 1642.937 1639.33 1642.86 Okay . And yours was called Interface Concept ? 1639.77 1642.86 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1641.671 1643.216 1641.77 1643.02 Interface , yeah . 1642.32 1643.02 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1644.688 1649.872 1644.71 1649.82 This one ? Well , for some reason I can't get it to just go to that slide directly . 1646.4 1646.92 1649.82 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1645.017 1647.072 1645.16 1647.04 Yeah . Um . 1646.5 1647.04 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1651.168 1669.632 1651.2 1669.51 Okay , it's the very right one . You see at the bottom , it's kind of difficult to see , but you have like a d sort of s division between the bottom like , where the logo is , and if we have the replaceable section , it's like the top . It doesn't necessarily replace the entire top . And so you have that one piece that stays and the rest just sort of clips in . 1651.39 1653.53 1654.32 1655.39 1658.89 1659.76 1661.83 1663.22 1666.41 1669.51 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1665.984 1666.304 1666.03 1666.27 Mm . 1666.27 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1669.872 1672.512 1669.89 1672.38 Okay , yes yes . 1670.75 1672.38 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1670.034 1678.304 1670.38 1678.17 If c you envisioning it ? And so that stays the same when you have the logo , and then you have this s slip that kinda clips in and that's the bit that changes . 1671.62 1674.44 1678.17 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1678.624 1679.12 1678.64 1679.07 Okay . 1679.07 ES2010c B FEE038 1 1679.2 1692.368 1679.57 1692.29 The only problem is we're using a latex overlay so it actually would go over top of everything and have holes for the buttons , so I was thinking maybe instead of doing that what we could do is leave a space for where the logo should be . 1686.22 1692.29 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1684.36 1685.278 1684.67 1685.14 Hmm . 1685.14 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1691.312 1692.341 1691.33 1692.3 Yeah . Yeah , yeah . 1691.84 1692.05 1692.3 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1692.288 1694.473 1692.31 1694.473 Like a little cut-out kind of - ES2010c B FEE038 1 1693.679 1694.404 1693.7 1693.98 Yeah . 1693.98 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1693.92 1700.56 1693.94 1700.46 Right . That's like , you know , a a cellphone it's like the the screen is always just left opened . 1695.12 1695.45 1696.05 1700.46 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1695.168 1696.432 1695.19 1696.39 Okay . 1696.39 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1698.72 1699.056 1698.74 1699.02 Right . 1699.02 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1701.648 1704.544 1701.67 1704.51 And so , what we are gonna do it like bright yellow with the R_R_ ? 1702.15 1704.51 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1705.584 1706.016 1705.7 1705.98 Yeah . 1705.98 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1713.439 1714.272 1713.66 1714.08 Some of tho - ES2010c A FEE037 0 1713.696 1716.722 1713.72 1716.63 Anybody see anything that they liked in these ones ? 1716.63 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1715.696 1744.48 1715.72 1744.45 Well , some of those buttons though are blue-based . Um well , a lot of those buttons are blue-based . Well , kind of . Um and then if v we do have them illuminate upon contact , they could illuminate yellow . Like if we like the one all the way on the left , uh you ca you can see it on your computer better . Um where the button is actually blue , but the number itself is clear or white or whatever so if you pressed it would illuminate yellow . So we'd have blue and yellow for the touch buttons . 1715.87 1718.08 1719.15 1720.42 1720.59 1721.61 1725.72 1728.05 1730.96 1733.22 1735.56 1741.94 1744.45 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1717.999 1718.904 1718.3 1718.83 Mm . 1718.83 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1720.388 1721.158 1720.63 1721.0 Mm . 1721.0 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1725.059 1725.84 1725.27 1725.66 Yellow . 1725.66 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1727.024 1728.464 1727.04 1728.41 Yellow , I like that idea . 1727.42 1728.41 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1727.025 1727.749 1727.27 1727.53 Yeah . 1727.53 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1732.944 1733.28 1733.0 1733.19 Mm . 1733.19 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1741.456 1742.048 1741.5 1741.87 Mm . 1741.87 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1743.84 1744.944 1743.86 1744.88 Oh , that one . 1744.42 1744.88 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1745.296 1749.072 1745.32 1749.03 I like the yellow illumination idea , very good . 1748.31 1749.03 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1745.68 1746.011 1745.7 1745.98 Yeah . 1745.98 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1753.232 1753.985 1753.47 1753.85 Okay . 1753.85 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1756.288 1760.08 1756.38 1760.04 Any other ideas or thoughts ? 1760.04 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1764.416 1767.872 1764.44 1767.872 We all seem to be fairly in agreement about what we wanna do with this project so - ES2010c C FEE039 2 1764.357 1769.002 1764.49 1768.88 Um . Ha hang on Let me catch up . 1766.22 1768.88 ES2010c D FEE040 3 1767.824 1768.267 1767.87 1768.18 Mm yeah . 1768.18 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1768.565 1769.323 1768.7 1769.23 'Kay . 1769.23 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1776.368 1779.84 1776.39 1779.79 Did we finalise what buttons we're including or we just everything that we said before ? 1779.79 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1781.856 1785.29 1781.88 1785.18 I think there will be time for that later . I'm guessing . 1784.47 1785.18 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1788.704 1793.697 1788.73 1793.61 'Kay , well we're gonna wrap this up . Um next meeting is gonna start in thirty minutes , 1788.97 1791.09 1793.61 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1794.464 1809.946 1794.48 1809.82 and here's what we're each of us going to do . The I_D_ is going to do the look and feel design , the U_I_D_ the user interface design . I think you're going to get a lot of , I mean , the final say on what buttons get put We'll all talk about it , but I think , that's pretty much what you're gonna do , right ? 1796.71 1799.55 1802.36 1804.08 1804.42 1807.54 1807.95 1809.55 1809.82 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1810.48 1811.872 1810.5 1811.872 Yeah . 1811.45 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1811.134 1821.888 1811.15 1821.83 I guess . 'Kay . And you're gonna do some product evaluation . Okay , and right now , the I_D_ and U_I_D_ , you two are going to work together on a prototype using modelling clay . 1812.3 1812.98 1816.08 1816.41 1817.48 1818.73 1821.83 ES2010c B FEE038 1 1822.656 1825.008 1822.99 1824.58 Great . Play Doh . 1824.11 1824.58 ES2010c A FEE037 0 1823.472 1831.728 1823.472 1831.62 Yeah . Okay , and you should all be getting an email pretty soon . Alright . Well , thank you for a very productive meeting . 1826.05 1826.45 1829.1 1829.73 1830.03 1831.62 ES2010c C FEE039 2 1824.016 1825.336 1824.1 1824.1 Fun . 1824.53 ES2010c B FEE038 1 1829.612 1830.689 1829.87 1830.61 Wonderful - ES2010c B FEE038 1 1831.648 1832.59 1832.03 1832.44 Ooh . 1832.44 ES2010d D FEE040 3 7.995 9.888 8.11 9.85 I wanna find our if our remote works . 9.85 ES2010d A FEE037 0 9.76 10.441 9.84 10.39 Me too . 10.39 ES2010d D FEE040 3 11.168 13.016 11.22 13.016 Oh . 12.93 ES2010d A FEE037 0 19.336 42.24 19.49 42.21 Okay . Um here's the agenda for our last meeting . Um after the opening we're going to have a prototype presentation , then we're going to discuss the evaluation criteria and the financing of our remote . Then we're going to evaluate the product and I think the whole production process , and then we're gonna close it up , and we have forty minutes , so 20.91 23.89 29.06 35.37 39.93 41.02 41.96 ES2010d D FEE040 3 19.363 20.095 19.64 19.97 Whoohoo . 19.97 ES2010d A FEE037 0 43.57 47.345 43.6 46.74 let's get started . Oh , no , let's have the prototype presentation . 44.52 44.91 45.16 46.74 ES2010d B FEE038 1 46.784 50.192 46.82 50.12 Mm 'kay , you ready ? 48.88 50.12 ES2010d C FEE039 2 49.717 52.048 49.82 51.92 Um sure . You or me ? 51.39 51.92 ES2010d B FEE038 1 53.437 57.104 53.76 56.58 Y you read that stuff , since you wrote it . 55.9 56.58 ES2010d C FEE039 2 56.033 91.92 56.09 91.86 Okay . Well , since our materials aren't exactly what we were going for , I'm just gonna translate what this all means for you . The base is gonna be gunmetal gray , which is what we had decided , and it's gonna be plastic . Um then there's the latex cover , which is what you see as red . Um because it can be replaceable , we just kinda went with the colour . Um and then the buttons are actually kind of poking through rather than on top . Um and the buttons will be a l much lighter blue , almost see-through . It's just sort of a very pale blue and a light-up yellow . The whole thing lights up if you press any button , rather than it just that one button will light up . 56.94 57.42 61.66 64.91 66.96 68.14 70.16 72.23 73.83 75.4 77.35 81.08 84.1 85.21 88.01 90.06 91.86 ES2010d B FEE038 1 58.128 59.312 58.22 58.97 I'll be the Vanna . 58.97 ES2010d A FEE037 0 76.832 77.241 76.85 77.1 Right . 77.1 ES2010d A FEE037 0 84.965 85.563 85.13 85.35 Hmm . 85.35 ES2010d D FEE040 3 86.378 87.408 86.49 87.3 That's nice . 87.3 ES2010d A FEE037 0 87.23 87.841 87.36 87.72 Yeah . 87.72 ES2010d D FEE040 3 91.84 92.3 91.86 92.07 Good . 92.07 ES2010d C FEE039 2 93.232 107.424 93.25 107.39 Um and then at the bottom we have our logo . Um bright yellow sort of design with the R_R_ which will actually look like our logo . And then on the side you have the buttons . They're one button , but they kind of push up and down . 96.05 102.33 105.26 105.93 107.39 ES2010d A FEE037 0 101.542 102.159 101.74 102.12 Great . 102.12 ES2010d A FEE037 0 107.472 107.97 107.49 107.84 Okay . 107.84 ES2010d C FEE039 2 108.576 109.728 108.6 109.53 I don't think they're scrolling . 109.53 ES2010d B FEE038 1 110.226 111.04 110.26 110.68 No . 110.68 ES2010d B FEE038 1 112.16 113.73 112.27 113.34 They're just buttons . 113.34 ES2010d C FEE039 2 112.773 117.326 112.773 117.21 Right , yeah . And then yeah , the buttons . 113.3 114.29 115.38 117.21 ES2010d B FEE038 1 117.664 134.768 117.68 134.73 On off switch will be here and as you've noticed on our prototype um they've ended up with a curvature kind of , by concave sort of thing , except for , you know , can't see underneath . So I'm hoping that when we get to production we can actually make them like that , because they're very 125.0 127.0 127.49 127.9 129.3 133.85 ES2010d D FEE040 3 128.604 129.033 128.62 128.86 Yeah . 128.86 ES2010d B FEE038 1 135.76 152.528 135.78 152.27 nice to stock you know , stick your finger in . Um the two squared buttons are are two probably least used , menu , mute , and then these are the numbers , so our channel and our volume will be on either side . 137.83 139.13 144.64 145.23 146.52 148.67 152.27 ES2010d D FEE040 3 138.992 139.572 139.03 139.42 Yeah . 139.42 ES2010d C FEE039 2 139.022 140.285 139.25 140.22 Thumb-shaped . 140.22 ES2010d C FEE039 2 152.56 159.296 152.63 159.296 Yeah . And then the last thing is just that it'll be black labelling on top , just which we didn't do . 153.77 156.99 158.87 ES2010d A FEE037 0 158.773 164.832 158.85 164.41 Okay . And did you determine um the curvature of the bottom part of it for the hand , is it gonna be a single or a double ? 159.25 162.76 164.41 ES2010d B FEE038 1 167.2 168.595 167.22 168.45 I'd say a single . 168.45 ES2010d A FEE037 0 167.898 172.632 168.06 172.19 Single . Single sounds good , 'cause it's not big enough to really constitute a double . 168.95 169.62 172.19 ES2010d C FEE039 2 168.608 169.117 168.63 168.99 Single . 168.99 ES2010d D FEE040 3 169.815 170.817 170.13 170.54 Yeah . 170.54 ES2010d C FEE039 2 172.048 172.576 172.07 172.49 Right . 172.49 ES2010d B FEE038 1 171.381 174.576 172.25 174.2 Yeah , it's only actually the size of my hand . 172.52 174.2 ES2010d A FEE037 0 174.399 180.441 174.45 180.12 Great . Great . I think you did an awesome job . It is beautiful , and it's everything that we discussed . 175.3 175.89 177.89 178.65 180.12 ES2010d D FEE040 3 176.896 178.541 176.92 178.541 Yeah , I think it's a beautiful 177.13 ES2010d D FEE040 3 179.334 180.411 179.92 180.36 Yeah . 180.36 ES2010d D FEE040 3 181.248 183.355 181.27 183.23 Good job , you guys . Those are really good . 181.6 182.51 183.23 ES2010d A FEE037 0 181.76 182.748 181.79 182.38 Good job . 182.38 ES2010d C FEE039 2 181.576 183.377 181.93 183.377 Oh thank you . 183.31 ES2010d B FEE038 1 181.312 183.472 182.17 183.22 Whoohoo . 183.22 ES2010d A FEE037 0 184.801 188.08 185.11 188.02 Alright what's next in our agenda ? 188.02 ES2010d A FEE037 0 192.48 196.893 192.5 196.63 Um we're gonna discuss the evaluation criteria , and that's with Courtney . 195.4 196.63 ES2010d D FEE040 3 196.592 203.952 196.61 203.87 Okay , it's a PowerPoint presentation . I don't really know exactly what we should uh talk about . It's under evaluation . 197.26 199.96 202.71 203.87 ES2010d A FEE037 0 204.416 204.892 204.44 204.68 Right . 204.68 ES2010d D FEE040 3 210.608 221.659 210.63 221.56 Alright . Um so these are the criteria we're gonna ask , is it easy to use , is it fashionable uh yeah , I guess we should write these down so we can reference them . 212.43 215.79 216.89 219.39 221.56 ES2010d A FEE037 0 220.684 221.27 220.84 221.18 Mm . 221.18 ES2010d C FEE039 2 230.536 234.8 230.65 234.75 Feel good meaning what ? Physically , okay . 233.48 234.33 234.75 ES2010d D FEE040 3 231.808 234.816 231.83 234.78 Like does it feel good , like yeah , physically . 233.69 234.27 234.78 ES2010d A FEE037 0 234.102 234.834 234.28 234.64 Right . 234.64 ES2010d A FEE037 0 245.014 246.117 245.24 246.117 Sqi - ES2010d D FEE040 3 250.474 254.995 250.77 254.48 That's just for current trend . It doesn't really count , you guys . 252.91 253.67 254.48 ES2010d A FEE037 0 252.4 252.866 252.42 252.79 Right . 252.79 ES2010d B FEE038 1 257.632 261.712 257.65 261.67 Yeah , it was a little difficult to incorporate the cover with the cherry fruit on it . 257.75 261.67 ES2010d D FEE040 3 262.048 262.464 262.07 262.43 Yeah . 262.43 ES2010d D FEE040 3 263.472 269.264 263.49 269.23 But it's so we do have removable covers , right ? Yeah , well then that's covered . And so we n k everybody have that ? 265.16 265.93 266.26 267.76 269.23 ES2010d A FEE037 0 265.292 266.065 265.51 265.85 Right . 265.85 ES2010d B FEE038 1 265.488 266.324 265.51 266.0 Yes . 266.0 ES2010d A FEE037 0 267.633 268.196 267.93 268.09 'Kay . 268.09 ES2010d A FEE037 0 269.627 270.233 269.75 270.1 I'll wait . 270.1 ES2010d D FEE040 3 275.44 276.348 275.46 276.21 Yeah , she's got it . 275.6 276.21 ES2010d D FEE040 3 277.12 291.583 277.15 291.46 It's good . Yeah . Okay so , we're using the criteria uh for a seven point scale , and so we need to discuss how we feel . It falls within this range , so for easy to use , 278.05 278.72 279.64 283.87 288.71 289.76 291.46 ES2010d C FEE039 2 277.424 278.128 277.44 277.64 Yeah . 277.64 ES2010d D FEE040 3 293.104 294.56 293.12 294.48 do we feel it's very easy to use ? 294.48 ES2010d A FEE037 0 294.704 300.032 294.72 300.0 Are we going to indi I say we individually rate what do you say ? Just orally . Why not ? We have okay . 297.76 298.5 298.81 300.0 ES2010d C FEE039 2 294.659 296.469 294.82 296.39 True or false , easy to use . 295.56 296.39 ES2010d D FEE040 3 297.001 297.674 297.05 297.674 You guys - ES2010d C FEE039 2 297.712 298.688 297.712 298.28 Yeah . 298.28 ES2010d D FEE040 3 299.952 300.24 299.99 300.21 Okay . 300.21 ES2010d A FEE037 0 301.296 304.576 301.32 304.54 Um easy to use . I vote six . 303.18 304.54 ES2010d D FEE040 3 305.152 306.16 305.18 306.13 Oh wait , that's false . 305.43 306.13 ES2010d A FEE037 0 306.176 307.698 306.29 307.55 Oh , two . 307.21 307.55 ES2010d D FEE040 3 307.936 308.401 307.96 308.35 Okay . 308.35 ES2010d B FEE038 1 308.834 309.902 308.88 309.81 I'd say two as well . 309.81 ES2010d C FEE039 2 310.288 310.992 310.31 310.78 Yeah , two . 310.5 310.78 ES2010d D FEE040 3 310.912 312.496 310.93 312.39 Two . That's what I say . 311.8 312.39 ES2010d A FEE037 0 311.664 314.087 311.71 313.82 Uh hello , we're great . 313.33 313.82 ES2010d D FEE040 3 313.448 314.954 313.66 314.85 Okay , fashionable ? 314.04 314.85 ES2010d A FEE037 0 315.632 316.758 315.632 316.7 Um one . 316.7 ES2010d B FEE038 1 316.016 317.952 316.06 317.5 At the moment , no . 316.87 317.5 ES2010d D FEE040 3 317.417 319.864 317.49 319.76 No . I mean like no , I think it's very fashionable . 317.67 318.43 319.76 ES2010d A FEE037 0 317.509 321.25 317.58 321.25 No . Me too , very chic . 319.16 319.72 320.97 ES2010d D FEE040 3 320.563 321.887 320.67 321.81 I thi I would give it a one . 321.81 ES2010d B FEE038 1 321.664 326.618 322.05 326.03 Okay . I'll give it a two , because at the moment it's not looking that way . 323.08 324.0 326.03 ES2010d A FEE037 0 322.015 323.709 322.08 323.67 One , I give it a one . 322.85 323.67 ES2010d D FEE040 3 325.937 329.869 325.98 329.67 Well , that's that's just like that's a clay , it's a prototype . What do you think ? 326.31 328.16 329.21 329.67 ES2010d A FEE037 0 326.256 329.032 326.28 328.86 Oh , and ma it's a prototype , right . 326.53 328.36 328.86 ES2010d C FEE039 2 329.145 332.88 329.38 332.77 Mm I don't think it's that fashionable . I'd give it like three or four . 331.2 332.77 ES2010d A FEE037 0 333.36 336.784 333.38 336.73 Well , now I'm . So , the average is about a two . 334.36 334.87 335.34 336.73 ES2010d D FEE040 3 333.536 333.968 333.56 333.93 Okay . 333.93 ES2010d D FEE040 3 336.88 337.795 336.94 337.47 Yeah , it's a two . 337.2 337.47 ES2010d C FEE039 2 337.328 338.812 337.4 338.73 But then I'm not fashionable , so 338.47 ES2010d A FEE037 0 337.84 341.174 337.93 341.04 Two or three . Two point five . 339.75 341.04 ES2010d C FEE039 2 339.584 341.472 339.6 341.01 don't use my opinion . 341.01 ES2010d D FEE040 3 340.544 343.169 340.56 343.0 That's okay . Yeah . Um 341.21 342.77 ES2010d B FEE038 1 342.512 346.288 342.64 346.13 Neither are all o all the customers we have , either . 344.73 346.13 ES2010d D FEE040 3 344.718 345.753 344.74 345.63 does it feel good ? 345.63 ES2010d A FEE037 0 346.208 348.545 346.24 348.26 Imagine , since we obviously don't have that . 347.02 348.26 ES2010d D FEE040 3 347.65 348.525 347.68 348.525 I feel like - ES2010d C FEE039 2 347.288 348.48 347.71 348.37 Does it feel good ? 348.37 ES2010d B FEE038 1 348.36 350.565 348.44 350.42 Uh the shape of it actually does uh . 350.42 ES2010d A FEE037 0 350.992 355.152 351.01 355.05 And it's i it is very ergonomically designed . It's gonna be curved . 353.76 355.05 ES2010d C FEE039 2 355.488 356.88 355.52 356.8 Yeah , it's gonna be thicker . 355.74 356.8 ES2010d A FEE037 0 357.507 357.888 357.61 357.85 Yeah . 357.85 ES2010d C FEE039 2 357.904 358.336 357.92 358.27 Depth . 358.27 ES2010d D FEE040 3 358.256 359.264 358.28 359.17 I think it feels good . 359.17 ES2010d A FEE037 0 359.184 359.952 359.2 359.92 I think so too . 359.92 ES2010d D FEE040 3 360.256 360.928 360.28 360.82 I'll give it a two . 360.82 ES2010d A FEE037 0 361.31 362.826 361.4 362.7 'Kay . Two . 362.29 362.7 ES2010d C FEE039 2 361.808 364.252 361.808 363.77 I'll give it a one . 363.77 ES2010d D FEE040 3 366.048 366.48 366.07 366.42 What do you say ? 366.42 ES2010d B FEE038 1 366.107 367.712 366.65 367.48 I'd say a two . 367.48 ES2010d A FEE037 0 367.68 369.04 367.7 369.01 Alright , average is two . 368.14 369.01 ES2010d D FEE040 3 367.916 368.404 367.96 368.29 Okay . 368.29 ES2010d A FEE037 0 370.272 378.878 370.29 378.878 Is it technologically innovative ? Oh sorry I'm taking over your job here . Go right ahead . 372.25 374.55 378.54 ES2010d D FEE040 3 373.376 381.68 373.4 381.59 Oh no , it's fine , you're I mean you're Project Manager . Um yeah , I mean and it does it have voice I mean the phrase recognition on it ? 373.9 374.47 376.43 377.96 381.59 ES2010d A FEE037 0 384.08 388.724 384.1 388.52 Yes . Right ? We were able to do it with that kind of chip . 385.02 385.35 388.52 ES2010d C FEE039 2 387.008 388.266 387.11 388.266 Oh right , the 387.56 ES2010d B FEE038 1 387.544 396.896 388.22 396.86 We could do it with the chip , yes . It wasn't we have no reflection of it on the prototype , but that's because it's only two dimensions , really . 389.6 389.99 393.68 396.47 396.86 ES2010d D FEE040 3 391.488 394.774 391.84 394.7 And there's no way you can represent it on here . Y 394.38 ES2010d A FEE037 0 393.52 398.992 393.54 398.87 Yeah , right . That was 'kay . And we discussed that being included . 394.11 395.1 396.64 398.87 ES2010d D FEE040 3 396.404 405.6 396.404 405.45 Yeah , so . Then yes , then I would well it isn't what else would it need for it to be technologically innovative ? 398.1 399.32 399.86 405.45 ES2010d C FEE039 2 397.839 398.581 397.92 398.47 Right . 398.47 ES2010d B FEE038 1 403.348 404.944 403.65 404.944 It - ES2010d A FEE037 0 405.52 409.211 405.54 409.13 Well we don' have the you know , we can't say channel , and it changes the channel , channel eight . 406.6 407.47 408.55 409.13 ES2010d D FEE040 3 408.464 412.899 408.48 412.62 And it doesn't cover anything other then T_V_ , so I'd probably give it a three . 410.99 412.62 ES2010d A FEE037 0 410.976 411.492 411.0 411.34 Right . 411.34 ES2010d B FEE038 1 412.966 413.696 413.0 413.65 Yeah . 413.65 ES2010d A FEE037 0 414.16 414.576 414.18 414.51 Okay . 414.51 ES2010d D FEE040 3 414.496 419.821 414.52 419.74 Even though it is for just a T_V_ remote it's uh very advanced . But it is just a T_V_ remote . 418.23 419.74 ES2010d A FEE037 0 421.136 427.504 421.16 427.27 Yeah . I'd go for a three or four on that one , so okay , let's go for a three point five . 421.69 423.19 425.11 427.27 ES2010d C FEE039 2 423.552 424.512 423.57 424.34 Yeah I go four . 424.34 ES2010d B FEE038 1 427.952 428.752 428.03 428.7 Three and an half . 428.7 ES2010d A FEE037 0 428.733 432.512 428.87 432.512 Alright , and the last criteria is it is it um 429.55 ES2010d C FEE039 2 432.24 436.534 432.26 436.33 Squishy and fruity . It's just trendy , basically . 434.84 435.77 436.33 ES2010d D FEE040 3 433.114 438.64 433.114 438.58 Well yeah , so I'd give it a two . 436.85 438.58 ES2010d A FEE037 0 433.584 436.815 433.66 436.63 Well , we've covered that with the trendy . 433.84 436.63 ES2010d B FEE038 1 439.92 442.752 439.94 442.63 It's capable of being squishy and fruity . 442.63 ES2010d A FEE037 0 440.073 443.024 440.09 442.99 Sure . Capable . Very capable . 441.05 442.13 442.99 ES2010d D FEE040 3 440.883 443.954 441.27 443.83 Oh , it's very capable of being squishy and fruity . 441.44 443.83 ES2010d C FEE039 2 442.751 445.008 442.751 444.97 Okay . 444.97 ES2010d A FEE037 0 445.248 449.829 445.27 449.65 And it's very important . 'Kay , there we go . So . 447.24 447.66 449.18 449.65 ES2010d D FEE040 3 447.104 447.573 447.12 447.32 Yeah . 447.32 ES2010d D FEE040 3 449.024 451.084 449.11 450.87 Okay , next . 450.31 450.87 ES2010d A FEE037 0 450.848 455.132 450.87 455.132 Next . 454.8 ES2010d D FEE040 3 452.016 460.608 452.016 460.608 So um our re model slightly resembling a giant delicious cookie appears to be a winner , and uh hopefully we'll sell millions . Good job , team . 457.39 459.62 459.96 460.42 ES2010d B FEE038 1 460.704 469.328 460.704 469.06 How did you get that in there ? The slightly resembling a giant delicious cookie . That was good . 463.65 468.37 469.06 ES2010d D FEE040 3 462.752 463.671 462.752 463.43 What ? 463.43 ES2010d A FEE037 0 466.208 473.417 466.208 473.417 It does . Very good . Alright , let's go back to this 469.44 470.4 471.48 ES2010d D FEE040 3 466.384 468.3 466.4 468.3 It it does . 468.09 ES2010d D FEE040 3 469.296 470.314 469.34 469.62 Thanks . 469.62 ES2010d A FEE037 0 475.283 480.158 475.283 479.94 No , that's it . Hmm . 476.6 479.32 479.94 ES2010d A FEE037 0 483.472 483.984 483.54 483.9 Oops . 483.9 ES2010d A FEE037 0 486.704 507.19 487.44 507.14 Okay , so now uh we're moving on to finance , okay . I'm gonna show you an Excel spreadsheet and we're going to fill it in together based on what components we're including in our remote and see if it's under twelve fifty Euro . If so , we can proceed , if not , we need to go back to the drawing board a little bit . 'Kay ? So let me bring that up . 487.77 489.93 490.72 500.47 500.87 501.83 502.31 504.84 505.19 507.14 ES2010d A FEE037 0 510.368 518.48 510.5 518.48 Here we go . Alright . Um it's not hand dynamo , it's powered by battery , so we give it a 511.58 513.17 515.07 517.29 ES2010d B FEE038 1 516.384 517.184 516.51 516.99 Yep . 516.99 ES2010d D FEE040 3 518.752 519.216 518.77 519.16 Two . 519.16 ES2010d A FEE037 0 519.616 525.504 519.64 525.504 Number of components you plan to use . Do I just put quantity being one battery , or 521.6 524.9 ES2010d D FEE040 3 526.16 526.624 526.18 526.54 Yeah . 526.54 ES2010d A FEE037 0 526.544 553.248 526.56 553.21 Yeah . But if it's a do you wanna go for this is where we need to make a final call on if it's a lithium or do we wanna go triple A_s , 'cause triple A_s we're gonna have t do more than one battery . Oh , let's just go for a lithium . What do you say ? I think uh I think the people who purchase this are gonna be technologically right . Okay , down to the electronics um section . We're gonna need this kind , correct , if we do the voice sensor , so one of those . 527.7 533.26 536.13 536.19 537.2 539.69 544.73 545.67 549.09 550.33 550.69 552.24 553.21 ES2010d B FEE038 1 527.152 528.058 527.18 527.92 Mm 'kay . 527.92 ES2010d D FEE040 3 537.284 539.36 537.59 539.33 Yeah , let's let's do a lithium . 538.09 539.33 ES2010d B FEE038 1 538.096 540.48 538.12 540.34 Yeah , it's . 539.9 540.34 ES2010d D FEE040 3 540.274 541.503 540.47 541.19 We're gon that's gon - ES2010d D FEE040 3 542.852 544.608 542.93 544.55 Nologically advanced , yeah . 544.22 544.55 ES2010d D FEE040 3 550.544 550.912 550.56 550.88 Yeah . 550.88 ES2010d B FEE038 1 550.944 551.856 550.96 551.67 Yep . 551.67 ES2010d A FEE037 0 554.272 557.536 554.29 557.5 It is a single-curved , so one of those . 555.74 557.5 ES2010d D FEE040 3 558.208 559.278 558.23 559.14 Uh . 559.14 ES2010d A FEE037 0 558.816 564.896 558.86 564.86 Oh . What's that ? Yeah , that's correct . 'Kay , down here , case material . Plastic . 559.76 560.56 560.75 562.04 562.21 562.84 564.1 564.86 ES2010d D FEE040 3 560.832 561.296 560.85 561.26 Yeah . 561.26 ES2010d C FEE039 2 562.419 564.08 562.76 564.05 It's plastic . 564.05 ES2010d D FEE040 3 562.832 564.883 562.88 564.74 We plastic . 564.74 ES2010d D FEE040 3 565.943 567.408 566.3 567.35 And special colour . 567.35 ES2010d C FEE039 2 566.4 567.632 566.42 567.6 And special colour . 567.6 ES2010d A FEE037 0 567.698 568.192 567.9 568.16 'Kay . 568.16 ES2010d A FEE037 0 569.44 576.205 569.44 576.09 Down here , interface type . We're gonna have the integrated scroll scroll wheel . Isn't oh those are just regular buttons . 570.3 571.62 574.29 576.09 ES2010d C FEE039 2 573.38 576.453 573.43 576.27 No , we don't have the scroll . Buttons . 573.65 575.63 576.27 ES2010d D FEE040 3 575.416 576.173 575.45 576.173 But it's - ES2010d B FEE038 1 575.552 577.552 575.57 577.37 Well , that's the push-button too , right there . 575.72 576.82 577.37 ES2010d D FEE040 3 577.792 580.697 577.88 580.39 Yeah , but i so i 578.14 ES2010d A FEE037 0 578.592 579.142 578.61 579.0 This ? 579.0 ES2010d B FEE038 1 579.616 584.0 579.64 583.87 Integrated scroll-wheel or push-button . We're really having just push-button interface . 581.9 583.87 ES2010d A FEE037 0 583.936 586.384 583.96 586.33 Okay , so we can just go um . 584.45 586.33 ES2010d D FEE040 3 587.344 593.675 587.36 593.51 But will we w actually we'll need two , won't we ? One for the top and then one for the s one e for each side . 590.34 590.62 593.51 ES2010d B FEE038 1 592.752 598.944 593.2 598.89 But it that just covers the type of button we're having . Because we're not doing a scroll on the side , it's still push-button . 596.39 598.02 598.89 ES2010d C FEE039 2 600.016 603.184 600.04 603.04 Oh like the twenty nine means like you have both scrolls and - ES2010d B FEE038 1 602.96 605.808 603.5 605.71 Push-button . But we just have push 604.63 ES2010d C FEE039 2 604.192 606.29 604.21 606.25 push-buttons . But we don't have any scrolls . 605.01 606.25 ES2010d D FEE040 3 604.416 605.019 604.44 604.97 Okay . 604.97 ES2010d A FEE037 0 604.397 608.727 604.58 608.35 Right I think she's I think what Courtney's talking about is do we need to put two here ? 608.35 ES2010d D FEE040 3 607.552 619.76 607.69 619.6 Like because there's like one interface right here and then because it's not gonna be on the same plane when you press the button . There's gonna have to be additional signals on the sides . So is that gonna be an extra one on each side ? 613.87 616.66 619.6 ES2010d A FEE037 0 613.984 614.584 614.01 614.38 Right . 614.38 ES2010d B FEE038 1 615.136 617.072 615.18 616.99 Yeah . Okay . 616.67 616.99 ES2010d A FEE037 0 619.936 622.688 619.96 622.65 I don't know , they might put us well , let's just . 620.57 622.02 622.65 ES2010d C FEE039 2 622.144 624.845 622.16 624.35 Two interfaces , is that what w should we s say ? 623.08 624.35 ES2010d B FEE038 1 623.872 625.68 623.92 625.55 Let's call it th - ES2010d A FEE037 0 623.721 625.441 623.93 625.29 Two or would it be three ? 625.29 ES2010d D FEE040 3 624.132 630.736 624.47 630.69 Or three , because of one on each side and one on top . I mean it's fine 'cause it comes out the same as twenty nine . Well less than twenty nine even . 625.05 626.77 629.61 630.69 ES2010d C FEE039 2 625.92 626.848 625.94 626.81 Okay , fine . Yeah . 626.21 626.52 626.81 ES2010d B FEE038 1 630.72 631.84 630.77 631.55 Okay . 631.55 ES2010d A FEE037 0 630.873 635.984 630.95 635.94 Okay and we're gonna button supplements the buttons are no uh okay . 635.94 ES2010d D FEE040 3 634.48 635.568 634.51 635.47 They're a special colour . 635.47 ES2010d D FEE040 3 636.592 639.536 636.61 639.4 Um they're uh they're a special form , 'cause they're indented . 638.52 639.4 ES2010d A FEE037 0 638.608 639.008 638.63 638.97 Are they ? 638.97 ES2010d A FEE037 0 640.032 640.752 640.09 640.71 Oh , right . 640.37 640.71 ES2010d C FEE039 2 640.646 643.12 640.9 643.01 And then s yeah . 643.01 ES2010d D FEE040 3 640.912 642.704 640.94 642.67 And , they're a special material . 641.75 642.67 ES2010d A FEE037 0 644.576 646.496 644.61 646.46 Mm . Well , we're under cost then . 645.22 645.41 646.46 ES2010d A FEE037 0 647.728 652.672 647.85 652.64 Alright . No , we're under . Twelve point five is our limit . We've got eleven point two . 648.62 648.78 649.55 651.47 652.64 ES2010d C FEE039 2 647.888 648.448 647.91 648.37 We're over ? 648.37 ES2010d B FEE038 1 648.608 649.471 648.63 649.18 Grand . 649.18 ES2010d D FEE040 3 648.614 649.428 648.64 649.33 We're under . 649.33 ES2010d C FEE039 2 649.48 650.165 649.69 649.94 Okay . 649.94 ES2010d C FEE039 2 651.248 652.06 651.32 651.81 Oh , I see . 651.54 651.81 ES2010d B FEE038 1 653.808 655.616 653.83 655.42 So we can go to production . 655.42 ES2010d A FEE037 0 653.898 654.563 654.02 654.48 Alright . 654.48 ES2010d A FEE037 0 655.376 656.576 655.4 656.576 We can go to - ES2010d A FEE037 0 666.112 667.968 666.14 667.968 I dunno what I just did . 667.22 ES2010d A FEE037 0 669.568 699.216 669.62 699.15 Okay . Now we're gonna talk about the project process um and whether or not we're satisfied with the whole process and the result . Um did we have a lot of room for creativity ? Did we have a lot of room for individual leadership , um teamwork , and the means , meaning the technology that we used to produce our little guy there , and if we found any new ideas . Now , question is , how do we do this ? 671.95 680.38 682.64 686.73 688.06 689.17 694.1 696.37 697.02 698.36 699.15 ES2010d B FEE038 1 701.2 701.808 701.27 701.71 Go back . 701.71 ES2010d D FEE040 3 701.808 702.88 701.808 702.85 I think we just discuss it . 702.85 ES2010d A FEE037 0 702.773 704.38 703.04 704.11 Discuss , sure . 703.65 704.11 ES2010d B FEE038 1 703.04 703.968 703.06 703.85 Previous . 703.85 ES2010d A FEE037 0 705.488 708.144 705.51 708.11 Alright . Who want who would like to go first ? 706.4 708.11 ES2010d B FEE038 1 708.384 718.848 708.43 718.73 We think we got stifled for cri creativity by the company itself , in restricting us only to using a T_V_ remote , initially . 713.18 717.35 718.73 ES2010d C FEE039 2 708.448 710.432 708.57 709.7 We didn't have a whiteboard . 709.7 ES2010d A FEE037 0 716.992 717.36 717.07 717.32 Hmm . 717.32 ES2010d C FEE039 2 717.92 720.44 717.97 720.05 Yeah . And no internet . 719.27 720.05 ES2010d D FEE040 3 718.297 719.221 718.35 719.17 Oh that's true . 719.17 ES2010d A FEE037 0 718.218 718.793 718.36 718.65 Hmm . 718.65 ES2010d D FEE040 3 721.046 721.61 721.2 721.58 Yeah . 721.58 ES2010d D FEE040 3 722.896 730.704 722.896 730.64 No , yeah , that's a good point . 'Cause I'd forgotten that that wasn't our decision , yeah . 724.73 725.18 726.58 730.25 730.64 ES2010d A FEE037 0 730.623 733.868 730.623 733.65 And how did you feel about the whole the whole process though ? 733.65 ES2010d D FEE040 3 733.984 736.272 734.09 736.272 Oh , overall I mean I thought we did a good job like 734.23 ES2010d D FEE040 3 737.127 743.328 737.15 743.27 We got to choose basically we had control over minus it being just merely a T_V_ remote we got to choose what we wanted to do with it . 743.27 ES2010d A FEE037 0 743.248 745.136 743.28 745.1 Right , and we got say over 743.65 ES2010d A FEE037 0 746.128 754.0 746.15 753.97 what how technologically advanced it should be and also how fashionable , which I kind of like we yep . 750.75 753.97 ES2010d D FEE040 3 751.257 753.712 751.74 753.68 And we're a fashion forward technology company . 753.68 ES2010d B FEE038 1 754.64 755.488 754.64 755.22 right . 755.22 ES2010d A FEE037 0 754.647 755.2 754.78 755.17 You know it . 755.17 ES2010d A FEE037 0 756.642 762.912 757.08 762.88 Um what about um the teamwork aspect ? How did you guys enjoy making the model , the prototype ? 760.19 762.1 762.88 ES2010d B FEE038 1 762.56 764.528 762.56 764.49 Yeah . 764.49 ES2010d C FEE039 2 762.839 764.379 763.07 764.14 I think we did well . 764.14 ES2010d A FEE037 0 764.48 767.759 764.5 767.67 I think ya' did . Did you work well together in there , and 'kay . 765.04 766.43 767.67 ES2010d C FEE039 2 766.335 767.795 766.46 767.795 Yep . 767.65 ES2010d B FEE038 1 767.216 771.072 767.24 770.79 Well , no , there was there was scratching and fighting , but no . 767.48 767.64 769.28 770.79 ES2010d D FEE040 3 767.26 769.851 767.67 769.73 Minus that one fight . Yeah . 769.05 769.73 ES2010d C FEE039 2 768.944 771.309 768.944 771.15 Gouges . 771.15 ES2010d A FEE037 0 769.472 775.248 769.49 775.21 Oh my God , and we've all been a pretty congenial team here , I think . We hadn't had any ma fallings out . 771.0 773.33 773.65 775.21 ES2010d D FEE040 3 773.52 782.496 773.57 782.41 Yeah . I mean minus you guys being wha what is it , the survey , annoying or what is it ? Irritating , yeah . Wow that's a it's definitely a strong one . 773.8 776.1 776.7 778.05 778.66 779.59 782.41 ES2010d A FEE037 0 777.104 779.334 777.104 778.94 Irritating . 778.94 ES2010d B FEE038 1 777.124 779.36 777.46 779.36 Irritating . 779.23 ES2010d C FEE039 2 778.083 779.52 778.32 779.47 Irritating . 779.47 ES2010d A FEE037 0 782.643 783.341 782.76 783.27 Okay . 783.27 ES2010d B FEE038 1 783.04 785.696 783.06 785.696 The means , the whiteboard didn't work . 783.65 784.91 ES2010d C FEE039 2 785.692 786.784 785.75 786.7 And no internet . 786.7 ES2010d D FEE040 3 785.66 786.346 785.77 786.1 Yeah . 786.1 ES2010d A FEE037 0 785.808 788.633 785.83 788.5 Yeah . I have to knock that one down a couple notches . 786.53 788.5 ES2010d B FEE038 1 787.472 792.736 787.472 792.736 A and our friend here really feels strongly about the internet . 792.69 ES2010d D FEE040 3 787.678 789.201 787.81 788.92 Yeah , and no internet . 788.01 788.92 ES2010d C FEE039 2 791.073 795.968 791.1 795.85 Misses . I do . There's so much available . Like it's information 792.55 793.18 794.59 ES2010d D FEE040 3 792.924 804.613 792.94 804.613 And the digital the digital pens were they were pretty cool . Yeah they were fun , even though I'm not really sure what I could do with them , but they are awesome . 798.67 800.0 802.26 804.54 ES2010d A FEE037 0 795.968 798.775 795.99 798.5 Yeah , digital pens . They were fine . 796.5 797.83 798.5 ES2010d B FEE038 1 796.791 799.168 796.791 799.07 I really appreciated those , yeah . 798.67 799.07 ES2010d B FEE038 1 804.304 810.064 804.32 809.69 The use of the laptops for receiving everything . It was wireless too , so . 806.91 809.33 809.69 ES2010d D FEE040 3 806.915 807.591 807.04 807.5 Yeah . 807.5 ES2010d A FEE037 0 806.964 813.488 807.1 813.488 Right , laptops are extremely handy , wireless . And that we have a shared network where we can put all of the 807.55 809.44 810.38 ES2010d D FEE040 3 809.872 811.083 809.89 810.75 And these things whoa . 810.75 ES2010d C FEE039 2 813.888 814.416 813.91 814.18 Yeah . 814.18 ES2010d B FEE038 1 814.336 818.698 814.36 817.84 And let's not forget the sexy dual microphones everyone gets to wear . 817.84 ES2010d D FEE040 3 817.021 819.158 817.29 818.98 Yeah . And Big Brother . 818.33 818.98 ES2010d A FEE037 0 819.584 820.24 819.6 820.1 Big brother . 820.1 ES2010d D FEE040 3 820.277 821.809 820.277 821.809 Yeah . 821.76 ES2010d A FEE037 0 822.466 825.161 822.75 825.12 'Kay , have we found any new ideas through this process ? 822.88 825.12 ES2010d D FEE040 3 826.976 830.144 827.0 829.9 Um we are really gonna sell this . Ta-da . 829.53 829.9 ES2010d A FEE037 0 844.128 859.392 844.15 859.36 For something that looks cool and also has what I want it to b do technologically . And that's your right brain taking over , w wanting the artistic , the fashionable , the hip , you know . If we all just went out and bought useful things , I don't think I mean that's not what technology . 849.24 851.02 852.81 853.83 854.61 855.23 857.49 859.36 ES2010d C FEE039 2 848.466 849.127 848.55 848.92 Yeah . 848.92 ES2010d D FEE040 3 854.368 854.704 854.4 854.61 Mm-hmm . 854.61 ES2010d C FEE039 2 858.496 871.248 858.52 871.21 Well , that's why I don't like uh Macs or Apples , just 'cause I look at it , and I know it's probably a very good computer , but I look at it , and I'm taken back to elementary school , 'cause they look the same . They look like they did when I was in elementary school , and that's so old-fashioned to me . 858.61 860.66 861.58 863.71 864.4 866.22 867.67 869.86 871.21 ES2010d A FEE037 0 867.28 867.744 867.31 867.64 Mm . 867.64 ES2010d D FEE040 3 867.716 868.271 867.77 868.14 Yeah . 868.14 ES2010d D FEE040 3 869.585 871.871 869.67 871.871 Yeah , 'cause they're pretty and just like 869.88 ES2010d B FEE038 1 871.191 875.096 871.64 874.96 The Toronto district school would only use his Macs with their kids . 874.96 ES2010d A FEE037 0 871.681 872.375 871.86 872.3 Yeah . 872.3 ES2010d C FEE039 2 874.896 879.5 874.92 879.5 Exactly , so I associate them with like really low-tech , really cheap , bad 875.44 877.81 879.06 ES2010d A FEE037 0 877.299 877.736 877.36 877.7 Yeah . 877.7 ES2010d A FEE037 0 878.752 883.097 878.78 882.97 Just the Mac font bothers me even . But I do like iPods , go figure . 881.27 882.47 882.97 ES2010d D FEE040 3 879.83 880.561 879.88 880.48 Uh yeah . 880.48 ES2010d C FEE039 2 880.352 881.184 880.37 881.12 Yeah . 881.12 ES2010d D FEE040 3 882.88 886.659 882.9 886.52 Yeah , no , iPods They want all those words for presentation , even the plugs . 883.08 883.23 885.63 886.52 ES2010d A FEE037 0 884.928 885.376 884.95 885.22 Yeah . 885.22 ES2010d B FEE038 1 885.408 890.848 885.43 890.81 Well , i iPods are now quite trendy , and they come in different colours . Yeah . 885.71 887.45 890.62 890.81 ES2010d A FEE037 0 887.562 897.114 887.7 897.06 Mm-hmm . Colours . Exactly . I mean how many people went out and bough a Nokia phone , back when we were like in high school , just so they could get the changeable face plates . 888.75 889.55 890.67 892.83 894.43 897.06 ES2010d D FEE040 3 896.464 897.744 896.48 897.6 Oh yeah , everybody . 897.14 897.6 ES2010d A FEE037 0 898.006 901.927 898.13 901.27 Okay . Anyway , so that is definitely at work . 899.1 899.51 901.27 ES2010d D FEE040 3 898.907 902.163 898.907 902.0 Mine is amber . Oh . 901.52 902.0 ES2010d B FEE038 1 898.768 902.96 899.12 902.8 Not me . I didn't have a phone 'til university . 900.38 902.8 ES2010d C FEE039 2 900.128 909.84 900.15 909.67 But the my but my one issue is just like the whole it's for T_V_ only . I was like who's gonna buy a remote just for the T_V_ unless they've lost theirs . 905.0 909.67 ES2010d D FEE040 3 909.6 916.288 909.62 916.25 Look at it . That is a piece of work . Wow . Marketing Director says yeah . 910.91 913.34 914.34 916.25 ES2010d A FEE037 0 909.711 913.856 909.9 913.82 Yeah . Fashionable chic people will . 911.28 913.82 ES2010d C FEE039 2 911.184 912.202 911.33 912.17 You're kidding . 912.17 ES2010d C FEE039 2 913.512 921.76 913.7 921.76 No , no . No , marketing has to actually create the desire for it . 917.48 917.8 917.9 921.24 ES2010d D FEE040 3 917.296 918.876 917.37 918.59 Fashionable people will buy it . 918.59 ES2010d D FEE040 3 920.768 923.775 920.79 923.775 Oh , I will create desire . 921.04 923.14 ES2010d B FEE038 1 921.504 929.744 921.52 929.09 That's okay . We can create a commercial where they think that all their needs will be met . This will help them find the one . That's right . 921.99 925.65 928.5 929.09 ES2010d C FEE039 2 925.66 929.889 925.85 929.889 Ri They'll be sexy with it . 929.54 ES2010d A FEE037 0 926.127 927.003 926.54 926.73 Hmm . 926.73 ES2010d D FEE040 3 928.336 934.167 928.39 933.76 We could have like an Adam and Eve type commercial , and that's the fig-leaf . Mm . That'll sell . 930.59 932.04 933.16 933.76 ES2010d C FEE039 2 931.552 932.545 931.72 932.32 Oh right . 932.32 ES2010d B FEE038 1 932.768 938.944 932.768 938.944 And so the serpent says , use our remote . 936.59 938.62 ES2010d A FEE037 0 934.057 935.776 934.2 935.08 There you go , marketing . 934.57 935.08 ES2010d C FEE039 2 934.155 935.385 934.34 935.16 Let you loose . 935.16 ES2010d D FEE040 3 937.85 938.498 937.87 938.33 Yeah . 938.33 ES2010d A FEE037 0 937.936 960.305 937.936 960.03 Alright . Okay , we're gonna wrap this up now . Um the costs are within the budget , we evaluated the project , and now we're gonna complete the final questionnaire and meeting summary , and then we're going to have a big giant party , apparently , according to this , so . Alright , thank you team , you did a great job , it was lovely working with you . 942.02 942.34 943.58 946.19 948.12 951.84 953.83 954.33 954.96 956.49 956.77 957.65 958.69 960.03 ES2010d C FEE039 2 939.44 940.691 939.46 940.64 Yeah , no . 939.94 940.64 ES2010d D FEE040 3 939.352 939.843 939.49 939.71 Yeah . 939.71 ES2010d B FEE038 1 956.08 959.2 956.11 959.2 Whoohoo . Margaritas for everyone . 957.42 958.48 ES2010d C FEE039 2 959.229 961.074 959.229 960.74 Good . 960.74 ES2010d D FEE040 3 960.688 961.168 960.71 961.13 You too . 961.13 ES2010d B FEE038 1 960.831 964.384 961.73 964.34 Yay . Thanks to the Project Leader . 962.93 964.34 ES2010d B FEE038 1 967.968 969.216 968.79 969.18 Now we know w - ES2011a A FEE041 0 33.802 44.656 34.27 44.39 Here we go . Welcome everybody . Um , I'm Abigail Claflin . You can call me Abbie . 37.14 39.15 41.42 43.32 44.39 ES2011a A FEE041 0 46.384 56.896 46.43 56.85 'S see . PowerPoint , that's not it . There we go . So this is our kick off meeting . Um 47.63 48.71 50.2 51.33 55.53 ES2011a A FEE041 0 58.448 64.384 58.56 64.28 and I guess we should all get acquainted . Let's shall we all introduce ourselves ? 62.17 64.28 ES2011a D FEE044 3 64.976 77.9 65.0 77.78 Hi I'm Chiara , I'm the um Marketing Expert . Um , would you like me to talk about my aims at the moment , or would you like me to just say my name and then we can talk about business later ? 65.89 70.04 70.72 73.0 77.78 ES2011a A FEE041 0 76.896 80.904 77.04 80.79 I think we'll get around to that , yeah . So this is just introductions yeah . 78.29 78.99 80.79 ES2011a D FEE044 3 78.912 82.96 78.93 82.89 We'll get round to that later . My name is Chiara and I'm the Marketing Expert . 80.51 82.89 ES2011a A FEE041 0 82.928 89.348 82.98 89.24 Okay . I forgot to s say I'm the Project Manager but I figured you all knew that already , um so . 83.64 88.34 89.24 ES2011a C FEE043 2 88.662 93.168 88.662 93.1 I'm Stephanie and I am the User Interface Designer . 93.1 ES2011a B FEE042 1 93.92 95.712 93.94 95.68 I'm Krista and I'm the Industrial Designer . 95.68 ES2011a A FEE041 0 95.712 96.384 96.02 96.35 Okay . 96.35 ES2011a A FEE041 0 98.24 107.808 98.26 107.77 Um so f here's our agenda for today . Um we're gonna do some tool training , project plan and discuss 102.23 105.28 ES2011a A FEE041 0 108.896 154.592 108.92 154.36 then close . Um so . So our aim is to produce a remote control that is original , trendy and user friendly . And to do this , we have to um there's certain things we have to consider about functional aspects and conceptual design of the thing . So . We'll get to that . Oh there it is . Right . Functional design , conceptual design and detailed design . So throughout our next couple of meetings we'll we'll be covering these things . Um so we're gonna try out our white board . 111.99 116.57 121.47 124.27 125.92 135.79 137.29 139.55 140.41 141.19 142.19 144.35 150.87 154.36 ES2011a A FEE041 0 157.008 164.192 157.03 164.1 If we'll all draw our favourite animal , to sum up the characteristics of that animal . 161.55 164.1 ES2011a C FEE043 2 166.112 169.856 166.81 169.81 So you want us to draw it and then talk about it ? Or just draw it ? 168.51 169.81 ES2011a A FEE041 0 166.541 167.403 166.85 167.28 Okay . 167.28 ES2011a D FEE044 3 172.032 173.672 172.05 173.672 I think both . 173.57 ES2011a A FEE041 0 173.12 176.848 173.16 176.7 Yeah . Both . Yeah . 174.02 174.84 176.7 ES2011a C FEE043 2 173.088 176.3 173.16 176.24 Okay . Why don't we do both . Right . 173.91 175.93 176.24 ES2011a D FEE044 3 175.776 181.127 175.8 181.08 Who starts ? We ought to decide who starts and all that . No ? Uh-huh . 176.81 180.01 180.79 181.08 ES2011a A FEE041 0 180.624 185.294 180.64 185.294 Any volunteers ? Does anyone know what they wanna draw ? 182.69 184.96 ES2011a C FEE043 2 184.005 187.728 184.17 187.728 Mm , I gotta think about it for a second like . Uh 184.61 186.7 ES2011a C FEE043 2 190.432 195.268 190.9 195.268 Does it have to be functional , trendy and user friendly ? 192.92 195.19 ES2011a A FEE041 0 193.755 197.44 193.755 196.54 I don't think so . 196.54 ES2011a C FEE043 2 196.512 197.072 196.53 197.03 Um . 197.03 ES2011a C FEE043 2 200.032 201.408 200.05 201.2 Okay , I'll draw . I'll draw one . 200.28 200.66 201.2 ES2011a C FEE043 2 203.422 205.408 203.5 205.25 Make sure my things here . 205.25 ES2011a C FEE043 2 220.565 221.242 220.69 220.87 Uh-oh . 220.87 ES2011a C FEE043 2 229.399 230.172 229.48 229.96 Right . 229.96 ES2011a C FEE043 2 238.93 244.064 239.31 243.49 Okay , my favourite animal is see . 239.74 243.49 ES2011a C FEE043 2 261.728 262.192 261.76 262.14 Oops . 262.14 ES2011a A FEE041 0 265.456 270.718 265.48 270.51 A dolphin . 'S like playing Pictionary . 269.33 270.51 ES2011a C FEE043 2 266.516 268.791 266.6 268.791 Yeah , it's 267.19 ES2011a C FEE043 2 269.587 272.848 269.587 272.79 Yeah , I guess it has a fin on top too , yeah . 270.48 271.88 272.79 ES2011a C FEE043 2 278.816 281.088 278.816 280.44 It's my dolphin . 280.44 ES2011a A FEE041 0 279.424 286.256 279.424 286.256 So what characteristics do you like about your animal ? 286.21 ES2011a C FEE043 2 284.288 301.248 284.36 301.248 I like its tail . Um , no , I think dolphins are really uh I dunno , they're smart and they they're cute and they like swimming and that's cool , like they're graceful yeah , and they're so 286.18 286.58 286.73 290.6 298.39 300.42 ES2011a A FEE041 0 298.512 299.296 298.53 299.25 They're graceful . 299.25 ES2011a A FEE041 0 302.816 305.587 302.85 305.48 Sleek . 305.48 ES2011a C FEE043 2 303.163 310.354 303.163 310.31 Yeah they're sleek and they look intelligent and I don't know , they're I guess it's the whole like binocular vision thing . 306.83 310.31 ES2011a A FEE041 0 309.2 314.416 309.22 313.88 I don't know how intelligent that one looks . 313.88 ES2011a C FEE043 2 311.112 341.232 311.39 341.232 Yeah he he doesn't look that smart . He's a I dunno um they're I think it's cool the the um the interaction that or the th things that the reasons people seem to like you know you get ex you know people are sitting on the beach and p they're like oh look there's dolphins and it's kinda like but they're you know they jump around in the water and they're happy and they're mammals , but they swim . 314.42 338.64 340.88 ES2011a A FEE041 0 338.928 345.456 338.96 345.4 Yes . Does anybody else wanna draw their animal ? 339.12 345.4 ES2011a B FEE042 1 345.888 349.472 346.66 349.35 Suppose I can draw an animal , yeah . 347.85 349.35 ES2011a A FEE041 0 348.663 376.0 348.663 376.0 . 376.0 ES2011a A FEE041 0 376.0 381.36 376.08 381.36 Uh-oh there goes the ten . It's a cat . 379.03 381.32 ES2011a B FEE042 1 377.936 380.348 377.936 380.22 Yeah . 380.22 ES2011a B FEE042 1 385.744 389.44 386.04 389.07 I don't know . They sleep all day , they're easy to draw . 386.53 388.33 389.07 ES2011a A FEE041 0 394.579 398.656 394.66 398.62 Do you wanna anything ? I dunno if the the ah . 396.16 398.62 ES2011a D FEE044 3 395.2 400.912 395.22 400.82 Uh yeah . Well I had the cat as well , but uh I've got a spare one . 396.26 398.01 400.82 ES2011a B FEE042 1 395.984 398.816 396.66 398.816 I think the pen is running out of - ES2011a D FEE044 3 401.419 403.776 401.49 403.74 So I'll use the spare one . 403.74 ES2011a D FEE044 3 405.296 408.816 405.32 408.73 Um but it's harder to draw um . 408.73 ES2011a C FEE043 2 408.24 410.752 408.26 410.71 And the pen's dying . 410.71 ES2011a D FEE044 3 409.744 410.544 409.82 410.49 Um . 410.49 ES2011a A FEE041 0 414.035 415.097 414.06 414.97 A horse . 414.97 ES2011a D FEE044 3 414.02 414.68 414.09 414.45 Uh . 414.45 ES2011a C FEE043 2 414.336 415.44 414.39 415.17 Horse . 415.17 ES2011a D FEE044 3 418.96 424.88 419.01 424.67 Um I don't really know how the legs go , but anyway I will do that . 422.52 424.67 ES2011a A FEE041 0 421.01 421.964 421.19 421.91 That's very good . 421.91 ES2011a D FEE044 3 425.888 449.376 425.91 449.376 Um , and the main reason is they're pretty . I think they're very pretty and they go well with the environment , and I like the way they run and I used to do horse riding and they're just very sort of sturdy and nice animals . And I like the way um they feel , sort of under under the hand , I think that's pretty much it . Um 427.35 429.69 433.08 439.71 443.77 446.29 448.85 ES2011a A FEE041 0 449.936 450.752 449.936 450.63 Yeah . 450.63 ES2011a A FEE041 0 458.599 461.016 458.82 461.016 This cord's - ES2011a A FEE041 0 466.215 475.114 468.02 475.114 Uh . Right . Actually I haven't thought of anything yet . Uh 469.2 470.69 474.12 ES2011a A FEE041 0 487.536 494.832 487.56 494.8 It's a pig . So I'm thinking we should design a remote control that's 491.62 ES2011a A FEE041 0 496.144 514.112 496.25 514.07 water resistant , strong and furry . What do you think , yeah ? This is yeah , well like a cat , you know , soft yeah . Although uh I'll just put there . Right . 497.67 498.73 499.94 502.34 503.78 504.73 505.53 508.46 511.04 514.07 ES2011a C FEE043 2 502.08 502.8 502.1 502.67 And furry . 502.67 ES2011a C FEE043 2 505.296 508.945 505.36 508.83 Textile tactile , tactile remote control . 507.44 508.83 ES2011a C FEE043 2 514.416 520.736 515.09 520.35 You're dragging a you have a tail . 520.35 ES2011a A FEE041 0 516.439 519.619 516.439 519.56 Oh my gosh , this is disastrous . 518.21 519.56 ES2011a A FEE041 0 521.646 522.96 521.83 522.9 Sorry about that . 522.9 ES2011a A FEE041 0 524.32 551.664 524.32 550.99 Okay . So moving on . Our selling price goal is twenty five Euro and profit aim is fifty million Euro . So I'm guessing that we're not actually in Scotland , we're in some European country . Um , and we will hope to sell this internationally . 527.26 530.49 539.18 542.78 546.58 548.33 550.99 ES2011a C FEE043 2 551.584 555.008 551.61 554.93 Sorry can you just say that what's the what are our price goals again ? 554.93 ES2011a A FEE041 0 555.472 563.248 555.49 563.14 Um selling price is twenty five Euro . Profit aim fifty million Euro . 558.88 563.14 ES2011a C FEE043 2 557.422 558.411 557.6 558.2 Okay . 558.2 ES2011a D FEE044 3 567.872 577.632 567.89 577.6 How many should we sell then ? Um , a lot , two two two million , two mi no , more f four million . 570.62 571.09 571.92 574.59 576.25 577.6 ES2011a A FEE041 0 571.04 574.656 571.73 574.656 Anyone a mathematician ? 574.26 ES2011a B FEE042 1 577.888 578.64 577.98 578.43 Two million . 578.43 ES2011a D FEE044 3 578.624 586.848 578.64 586.81 Four million . And it well it's the profit so if a profit for each is twelve fifty , that'll do four million . 580.19 585.76 586.81 ES2011a B FEE042 1 584.752 585.488 584.77 585.45 Oh , yeah . 585.11 585.45 ES2011a D FEE044 3 597.552 599.712 597.552 599.67 It is a lot . Uh . 599.21 599.67 ES2011a A FEE041 0 613.744 618.448 614.41 618.15 So f that's a fifty percent um uh . 618.15 ES2011a A FEE041 0 619.536 640.16 619.56 640.06 Um , I don't know what these mean because I didn't actually make the slide-show . Experience with remote control . So I guess we have to reflect on our experiences with remote controls to decide what um we would like to see in a convenient , practical , 621.7 625.91 628.35 639.19 640.06 ES2011a A FEE041 0 641.376 654.992 641.4 654.95 nice remote control . Um so do we have any initial ideas for uh how this remote control should be designed or formatted or the the buttons it should have . 643.51 654.95 ES2011a D FEE044 3 654.128 660.163 654.15 660.06 Um , I think one thing is that it should be easy to find bec yeah bec 654.89 ES2011a C FEE043 2 658.311 676.128 658.36 676.09 I was thinking that too . I think we should design something that has like a so you can like somehow like you I mean you always know where your T_V_ is , so just have a call button , I've always wanted that , so like you can push a button on your T_V_ Yeah , yeah yeah yeah , so you should have a call button on your television to be able to find your remote control . 659.66 666.16 667.22 668.1 671.37 672.12 676.09 ES2011a A FEE041 0 659.321 660.184 659.66 660.0 Yeah . 660.0 ES2011a D FEE044 3 668.016 669.483 668.04 669.31 Yeah , yeah yeah yeah yeah . 668.3 669.31 ES2011a A FEE041 0 667.972 672.342 668.26 672.22 Yeah . I mean you have it for the portable phone , so why not yeah . 669.45 671.21 672.22 ES2011a D FEE044 3 674.592 675.082 674.61 675.03 Yeah . 675.03 ES2011a D FEE044 3 676.496 686.72 676.52 686.59 And even I think a little light . Um or even a maybe a vib a vibrating thing . I dunno but someth because it's usually under the sofa . 678.82 683.24 686.59 ES2011a C FEE043 2 687.392 688.4 687.41 688.37 Yeah . Yeah . 688.06 688.37 ES2011a D FEE044 3 687.468 694.156 687.55 694.156 In which case you're going to be l but if it has a sort of signal which isn't any sound I don't know if it's expensive maybe to - ES2011a C FEE043 2 692.352 706.08 692.38 705.68 Yeah . I don't yeah I mean it but like I mean just I mean like your phone even just has so like it can vibrate , it can light up and make noise and I dunno . 693.94 702.47 705.68 ES2011a D FEE044 3 695.072 697.072 695.09 697.04 Maybe call is enough . But yeah . 696.45 697.04 ES2011a D FEE044 3 701.149 702.087 701.17 701.99 Yeah yeah yeah . 701.99 ES2011a D FEE044 3 704.184 704.935 704.23 704.77 Yeah . 704.77 ES2011a A FEE041 0 712.864 715.072 712.88 714.92 What if it had something like um - ES2011a A FEE041 0 716.176 738.674 716.23 738.674 just like a magnet on the back of it and you could I mean j just to have some place to put it besides like a base . You know like a portable phone has a base , like just to have a home for it . 'Cause people just stick it on top of their T_V_ , but the point of having a remote is not to have to walk over to the T_V_ , so 725.17 728.35 732.56 734.33 738.11 ES2011a C FEE043 2 724.709 728.208 724.86 728.15 Yeah . Yeah , or if it had a yeah . 725.85 726.22 728.15 ES2011a D FEE044 3 730.625 731.872 730.69 731.77 Yeah yeah yeah yeah . 731.77 ES2011a C FEE043 2 731.776 732.64 731.8 732.64 Yeah , I mean 732.25 ES2011a B FEE042 1 736.976 740.067 736.976 739.66 Well that's why it's always in the couch . 739.66 ES2011a C FEE043 2 737.824 738.707 737.84 738.37 Yeah . 738.37 ES2011a A FEE041 0 739.584 740.725 739.65 740.31 Yeah . 740.31 ES2011a C FEE043 2 739.647 748.166 739.79 748.166 Yeah , in in the couch . I dunno , it seems like though that that would be hard , 'cause you not you're not gonna be lazy anyway and 740.53 742.47 743.3 744.92 ES2011a A FEE041 0 745.744 746.08 745.76 746.05 Yeah . 746.05 ES2011a A FEE041 0 747.2 752.848 747.22 752.848 Maybe we should design couches that have the remote control in the side arm . 752.38 ES2011a C FEE043 2 749.632 753.652 749.65 753.57 Yeah so we the project is now couches and remote controls . 753.57 ES2011a D FEE044 3 751.815 767.523 751.96 767.523 But even just a thing to attach it to the w you know if you had a thing , a pretty object attached to the wall . But that would really make it more expensive . But it's only a plastic thing , r really , the thing on the wall . Something like that . And the other thing is 755.57 757.78 760.21 762.6 764.29 765.42 766.52 ES2011a C FEE043 2 758.448 758.976 758.47 758.94 Yeah . 758.94 ES2011a C FEE043 2 763.696 764.176 763.74 764.14 Yeah . 764.14 ES2011a A FEE041 0 763.913 764.468 764.06 764.4 Yeah . 764.4 ES2011a A FEE041 0 766.736 771.955 766.76 771.88 Do you think it needs to be bigger to not lose , or does that not factor in ? 769.78 771.88 ES2011a C FEE043 2 770.992 771.6 771.01 771.57 Bigger . 771.57 ES2011a D FEE044 3 771.427 773.888 771.52 773.888 Not well it needs to be sort of - ES2011a A FEE041 0 772.416 773.066 772.44 772.74 Like - ES2011a A FEE041 0 773.856 775.856 773.93 775.82 Hand hand held size , yeah . 775.56 775.82 ES2011a C FEE043 2 774.339 775.599 774.43 775.47 Hand-sized . 775.47 ES2011a D FEE044 3 775.04 777.248 775.06 777.248 Yeah . I don't think you need a 776.03 ES2011a A FEE041 0 777.6 779.376 777.62 779.376 Not not huge , but 778.6 ES2011a D FEE044 3 779.456 781.712 779.48 781.66 But definitely not well I don't know . 781.66 ES2011a C FEE043 2 781.648 784.992 781.67 784.96 It can't be that hard to put some kind of a noise on it . 784.96 ES2011a D FEE044 3 784.912 786.573 784.93 786.33 No , it can't be , uh-uh . 785.3 786.05 786.33 ES2011a B FEE042 1 785.648 786.848 785.67 786.76 No it really wouldn't be . 786.76 ES2011a C FEE043 2 786.0 805.004 786.02 804.86 Or like or like a light thing . You know . I dunno . Yeah . Or make it mobile so it runs around and comes come find you yeah . That would be really I'm sure we could do that for twenty five Euros a pop . Yeah . Uh . 789.06 790.07 791.61 793.03 798.65 802.76 804.01 804.86 ES2011a A FEE041 0 786.021 786.992 786.22 786.72 Huh . 786.72 ES2011a D FEE044 3 789.776 793.676 789.776 793.676 Like spaceship . Right . Um 792.11 792.88 ES2011a A FEE041 0 800.677 804.752 800.95 804.63 Little homing device . Um . 804.07 804.63 ES2011a A FEE041 0 805.872 810.432 805.9 810.432 Okay . So what do we think this remote control should 807.07 ES2011a A FEE041 0 811.952 812.96 811.97 812.93 Five minutes . 812.93 ES2011a D FEE044 3 812.912 813.675 813.01 813.45 Oh dear . 813.45 ES2011a A FEE041 0 814.064 816.912 814.08 816.87 Till the meeting oh right . This is what we have left . 815.91 816.87 ES2011a C FEE043 2 818.73 832.411 818.79 832.35 I also think though that it shouldn't have too many buttons , 'cause I hate that when they have too many buttons and I mean I know it has to have enough functions but like , I don't know you , just have like eight thousand buttons and you're like , no , you never use half of them . So . 821.86 827.33 828.34 830.57 830.81 832.24 832.35 ES2011a A FEE041 0 818.8 821.766 819.02 821.766 Um , oh we just 820.29 ES2011a B FEE042 1 822.176 826.465 822.2 826.26 Yeah , I agree . B_ button and the F_ button , they don't do anything . 822.45 823.76 825.04 826.26 ES2011a D FEE044 3 823.76 824.924 823.78 824.61 Yeah , yeah yeah . 824.07 824.61 ES2011a A FEE041 0 823.652 824.604 823.85 824.15 Yeah . 824.15 ES2011a A FEE041 0 831.584 844.064 832.09 843.97 You what if um may be a little fancy but what if it had like a little screen , so it has less buttons but it still has all the functions . Like the way a mobile phone does . 838.39 842.32 843.97 ES2011a C FEE043 2 841.824 842.797 841.87 842.72 That would be cool . 842.72 ES2011a D FEE044 3 842.47 843.459 842.58 843.23 Yeah . 843.23 ES2011a C FEE043 2 844.064 847.872 844.08 847.84 Yeah . I mean it just seems like yeah . 845.57 847.84 ES2011a A FEE041 0 846.72 863.177 846.74 863.08 So you could like um like if you have I dunno if you have satellite if you have a hundred channels , you can the way you do it on your radio is that you uh what do you call it s y yeah but you can programme , so you can programme like your favourite channels , so like if you had a s 852.32 858.25 860.9 ES2011a D FEE044 3 855.344 857.385 855.47 857.15 Select . Uh . 856.9 857.15 ES2011a D FEE044 3 862.736 866.88 862.76 866.85 But , would you have the screen on the thing , or would you have it on the telly transmitting the screen . 863.28 864.55 866.85 ES2011a A FEE041 0 867.056 869.875 867.12 869.74 That's something we could decide . Mm . 869.12 869.74 ES2011a C FEE043 2 868.864 871.248 868.88 871.13 I guess they would go together somehow ? I dunno . 870.71 871.13 ES2011a D FEE044 3 868.801 869.575 868.88 869.575 Because - ES2011a D FEE044 3 871.376 888.176 871.4 888.14 Because , I don't know if it's I think it's e expensive , if you have if you use the telly screen , 'cause the telly's already a screen , then you can pro sort of have a programming function , really easy sort of arrow up and down , on the remote , and then use the telly as a screen . 872.27 875.76 877.56 879.67 883.03 885.46 886.35 888.14 ES2011a A FEE041 0 877.636 878.378 877.82 878.22 Yeah . 878.22 ES2011a A FEE041 0 885.584 886.147 885.6 885.86 Yeah . 885.86 ES2011a A FEE041 0 889.76 891.536 889.78 891.24 Right . 891.24 ES2011a D FEE044 3 889.888 890.896 889.91 890.896 But um - ES2011a C FEE043 2 892.832 893.803 892.85 893.803 I'm thinking kind of - ES2011a D FEE044 3 893.104 898.688 893.12 898.61 But yeah for sure . Something like not it's not on the button but it's telling you what to do , is that what you mean ? 894.09 897.88 898.61 ES2011a A FEE041 0 897.808 899.2 897.83 899.17 Yeah . Yeah . 898.82 899.17 ES2011a D FEE044 3 900.304 901.36 900.39 901.3 Right . Mm . 900.84 901.3 ES2011a C FEE043 2 901.616 927.728 901.7 927.69 Or like you h you see those you know people I'm thinking of like celebrity cribs kind of things when like they have all those these things that at their house you know their their entire house is so electronic , and they have like this one master control that and it's like a hand held like turns on everything sort of control and it has like a screen and like so I think it should be possible to have some kind of a screen , I don't know if it must be it would probably must be ex too expensive though t like I dunno . 912.06 922.7 927.69 ES2011a D FEE044 3 923.104 923.44 923.13 923.39 Yeah . 923.39 ES2011a D FEE044 3 927.648 930.622 927.84 930.52 But like mobile phones have screens and they're cheap . 930.52 ES2011a A FEE041 0 927.778 928.535 928.14 928.29 Mm . 928.29 ES2011a C FEE043 2 929.456 931.568 929.5 931.41 Yeah , yeah . Yeah that's true . 930.07 930.77 931.41 ES2011a A FEE041 0 930.722 938.612 930.78 938.55 Yeah . I mean , we have to remember our budget is twelve point twelve fifty for to actually make the device . 931.96 932.54 938.55 ES2011a D FEE044 3 935.152 935.52 935.17 935.49 Yeah . 935.49 ES2011a C FEE043 2 938.176 938.848 938.29 938.72 Mm . 938.72 ES2011a A FEE041 0 940.64 945.658 940.66 945.47 Um but it's something to think about , yeah . I mean we'll have to see how much that would be . 942.27 942.98 945.47 ES2011a C FEE043 2 940.624 942.833 940.7 942.75 Well , I guess we have to get to that later , yeah . 941.12 942.29 942.75 ES2011a D FEE044 3 945.232 951.568 945.27 951.568 Or some it i we can find out probably on the internet how much it's - ES2011a A FEE041 0 948.582 949.408 948.6 949.07 Yeah . 949.07 ES2011a D FEE044 3 952.864 958.688 952.89 958.688 Um . Yeah , and the other thing you said that thing about robust and water um 953.93 954.08 ES2011a D FEE044 3 960.192 962.573 960.21 962.51 What was the word ? Water resistant . 961.28 962.51 ES2011a C FEE043 2 960.806 961.599 960.98 961.5 Furry . 961.5 ES2011a A FEE041 0 962.096 967.441 962.2 967.441 Oh I was just - ES2011a D FEE044 3 963.586 974.464 963.79 974.36 No but it's I thought , ah , spot on . Good feel , tact tactile , good tactile feel , maybe something didn doesn't make your hands sweat lot . 965.04 965.56 967.04 967.94 970.16 971.58 974.36 ES2011a A FEE041 0 968.72 969.197 968.74 969.04 Yeah . 969.04 ES2011a C FEE043 2 974.432 976.096 974.61 975.82 Yeah . Mm , mm . 975.68 975.75 975.82 ES2011a D FEE044 3 975.63 976.832 975.78 976.8 That's quite annoying . 976.8 ES2011a A FEE041 0 980.72 988.688 980.74 988.688 Maybe um just like a simple thing to have a clip on it , like so you can clip it to your like that's another 984.52 ES2011a C FEE043 2 986.75 987.408 986.93 987.36 Yeah . 987.36 ES2011a D FEE044 3 989.184 990.096 989.2 990.05 Yeah , clip . 989.61 990.05 ES2011a D FEE044 3 991.52 992.928 991.69 992.6 Ooh . 992.6 ES2011a D FEE044 3 993.628 994.331 993.67 994.22 Um . 994.22 ES2011a A FEE041 0 997.302 1013.328 997.66 1013.21 Um . We should probably start wrapping up , um we've got some initial ideas that we can all look into . Um , and come up with some new ones for the next meeting , which will be in another thirty minutes . Um . 999.35 1001.67 1005.45 1006.97 1009.21 1012.52 1013.21 ES2011a A FEE041 0 1014.912 1015.68 1014.97 1015.54 So . 1015.54 ES2011a A FEE041 0 1017.36 1018.8 1017.38 1018.75 Yeah . The 1018.25 ES2011a A FEE041 0 1019.872 1036.016 1020.3 1035.9 Industrial Designer , what does that stand for , I_D_ , yeah um is going to be looking more into the working design . So I guess you'd be looking at lots of the things we discussed about screen and um that sort of thing . The 1021.32 1022.23 1022.46 1026.76 1035.32 ES2011a B FEE042 1 1021.73 1022.742 1021.85 1022.62 Yeah I think so . 1022.62 ES2011a A FEE041 0 1037.424 1045.68 1037.44 1045.62 something , what is the U_I_ ? Yeah , what does it stand for again ? User Interface Designer . So that's gonna be 1037.98 1039.99 1040.29 1042.22 1044.16 ES2011a B FEE042 1 1038.505 1039.216 1038.69 1039.17 User . 1039.17 ES2011a C FEE043 2 1039.216 1040.096 1039.55 1040.03 That's me . 1040.03 ES2011a C FEE043 2 1041.2 1043.264 1041.22 1043.12 Uh , User Interface design . 1041.4 1043.12 ES2011a A FEE041 0 1047.776 1057.728 1047.8 1057.67 more technical . I guess that maybe the working design has also to do with like the physical feat like just the way it looks and the way it w 1048.85 ES2011a C FEE043 2 1054.841 1057.492 1055.07 1057.2 So technical function . 1057.2 ES2011a B FEE042 1 1056.512 1059.12 1056.53 1058.91 The working design is the structure . 1058.91 ES2011a A FEE041 0 1059.056 1059.824 1059.08 1059.79 Yeah , yeah . 1059.55 1059.79 ES2011a C FEE043 2 1060.864 1063.792 1060.88 1063.792 What is technical functions exactl I I don't really know what - ES2011a A FEE041 0 1063.872 1067.87 1063.89 1067.37 Um , I guess you'd have to find out . 1065.32 1067.37 ES2011a D FEE044 3 1067.088 1069.322 1067.15 1069.322 It says on that email but it - ES2011a B FEE042 1 1067.402 1067.939 1067.42 1067.84 Um . 1067.84 ES2011a B FEE042 1 1068.656 1072.098 1068.68 1072.03 It was in the email . I wrote down what mine were . 1070.18 1072.03 ES2011a C FEE043 2 1068.768 1070.672 1068.79 1070.672 It does but it I just don't really - ES2011a D FEE044 3 1070.661 1072.416 1070.87 1072.416 It said um - ES2011a C FEE043 2 1071.637 1072.53 1071.71 1072.32 Yeah . 1072.32 ES2011a D FEE044 3 1074.192 1075.257 1074.26 1075.257 It said - ES2011a C FEE043 2 1074.864 1080.992 1074.864 1080.96 What effect should the thing ha should it have , okay . Alright . And working design . Okay . 1077.88 1078.71 1079.64 1080.64 1080.96 ES2011a D FEE044 3 1079.104 1079.934 1079.12 1079.934 Yeah like - ES2011a D FEE044 3 1080.912 1084.288 1080.93 1084.288 Be a medium between you and the telly I think , that's uh 1083.71 ES2011a C FEE043 2 1083.024 1088.384 1083.04 1088.29 Yeah , yeah . Alright . And how it works , okay . Right . I'm I'm on task . 1083.46 1084.35 1085.53 1086.25 1086.74 1087.02 1088.29 ES2011a A FEE041 0 1083.528 1084.011 1083.6 1083.9 Mm . 1083.9 ES2011a A FEE041 0 1088.224 1091.712 1088.3 1091.61 And the M_E_ , what does that stand for ? M 1089.97 1091.38 ES2011a B FEE042 1 1092.006 1092.576 1092.1 1092.54 Marketing . 1092.54 ES2011a A FEE041 0 1092.72 1095.024 1092.74 1094.86 Marketing , right . Um . 1093.25 1093.99 1094.86 ES2011a D FEE044 3 1092.726 1096.208 1092.84 1096.16 Marketing . Oh it's written here , but um . 1093.56 1095.12 1096.16 ES2011a A FEE041 0 1096.848 1100.464 1096.93 1100.464 So we'll be working on the user requirements , um 1099.83 ES2011a A FEE041 0 1102.48 1110.752 1102.5 1110.7 Yeah . So I guess that wraps it up . I'll see you all in thirty minutes . 1103.77 1106.88 1110.7 ES2011a D FEE044 3 1102.762 1103.744 1102.95 1103.32 Okay . 1103.32 ES2011a A FEE041 0 1112.992 1113.84 1113.05 1113.77 I just did . 1113.77 ES2011b D FEE044 3 31.376 31.885 31.54 31.8 Okay . 31.8 ES2011b A FEE041 0 33.467 86.288 33.49 86.02 'Kay so we'll try to zip through this , since we're short on time . Welcome everybody . Um hope your sessions went well . Um so this is our functional design meeting , we're going to consider um user needs , technical effects , and the working design of our remote control . Um I've been taking meetings on the minute minutes on the meetings , and I'll be putting them in the shared documents folder so if there's anything you need to refer to you can find them in there . Um I I'll get the ones up for next time , um they're not finished yet . Right . Um so can we have updates from everyone from what you've worked on just kind of a quick summary of anything interesting that you'd like to share or discuss in this sure . 35.29 36.52 37.97 41.52 45.68 50.34 51.88 56.89 61.33 67.24 70.84 72.84 73.18 86.02 ES2011b D FEE044 3 82.683 85.589 83.19 85.48 And I can start if you want . Mm . 85.28 85.48 ES2011b D FEE044 3 86.185 89.472 86.24 89.41 Is there an order ? No . We haven't decided on an order . 86.96 88.05 89.41 ES2011b A FEE041 0 88.336 88.842 88.39 88.58 Hm ? 88.58 ES2011b A FEE041 0 90.128 92.752 90.37 92.6 No , any any order's fine . Yeah . 90.63 92.04 92.6 ES2011b D FEE044 3 90.179 96.768 90.38 96.73 First . Okay . Um , how do I put this I'll just put the cable in . 91.73 92.74 93.07 96.73 ES2011b B FEE042 1 95.21 95.888 95.3 95.888 Just uh - ES2011b A FEE041 0 98.256 100.496 98.48 99.05 Oh yeah , sorry . 98.83 99.05 ES2011b D FEE044 3 107.817 111.51 107.96 111.36 Is that it ? Can you see ? Oh , here . Okay . 108.56 109.05 109.15 109.47 111.36 ES2011b D FEE044 3 113.936 115.907 113.96 115.85 So what happens it doesn't work ? 115.85 ES2011b A FEE041 0 115.063 118.0 115.32 117.93 It sh it takes a few seconds I think . 117.93 ES2011b B FEE042 1 124.96 125.888 124.99 125.888 You may need to - ES2011b C FEE043 2 129.668 133.184 129.668 133.184 Who's that ? 132.76 ES2011b D FEE044 3 133.038 133.572 133.13 133.41 No . 133.41 ES2011b C FEE043 2 133.184 156.976 133.184 156.976 . 156.976 ES2011b D FEE044 3 135.324 136.603 135.39 136.48 Is it in the right thing ? 136.48 ES2011b B FEE042 1 135.655 142.816 135.74 142.77 But sometimes you have to do it it's like a three set setting cycle , so press it a couple times , hold down function and then press F_ eight . 139.48 141.25 142.77 ES2011b D FEE044 3 142.009 143.84 142.19 143.81 Oh wait , um . 142.91 143.81 ES2011b D FEE044 3 146.368 148.208 146.46 148.208 Uh . You need to help me . 146.73 147.86 ES2011b A FEE041 0 148.128 151.248 148.19 151.2 Uh-huh , and then press function . 148.75 151.2 ES2011b D FEE044 3 152.128 152.864 152.15 152.77 Yeah . 152.77 ES2011b A FEE041 0 152.352 153.664 152.37 153.43 and F_ eight . 153.43 ES2011b C FEE043 2 156.976 159.688 157.0 159.61 Could you just plug it back into hers because she had oh . 159.61 ES2011b D FEE044 3 158.48 160.88 158.5 160.62 Oh , wait . That's is that it ? 158.78 159.42 160.62 ES2011b B FEE042 1 160.422 161.19 160.55 161.12 Adjusting . 161.12 ES2011b A FEE041 0 162.64 163.152 162.66 162.99 Here we are . 162.99 ES2011b B FEE042 1 165.744 168.592 165.76 168.56 The cable might be a little loose or something . Oh , you got it . 167.99 168.22 168.56 ES2011b D FEE044 3 167.888 177.424 167.91 177.39 Right here we are . We're here . Okay , um . In order to see what the functional requirements were to be found , um 169.75 170.59 171.1 172.05 176.67 ES2011b A FEE041 0 169.04 171.181 169.12 170.8 Oh . Is it on ? Okay . 169.37 170.36 170.8 ES2011b D FEE044 3 179.072 228.217 179.09 228.14 a hundred people were tested in a usability laboratory through just their habits to n know their habits were observed and questionnaires were given out . Um , the findings in in some cases matched what we were talking about . Custome Customers and users don't like the way remote controls look , they don't like the way they feel , they don't think they match their operating behaviour , and an example is what we were talking about , the buttons , they only use ten per cent of the buttons , so later on there's a study of the buttons that they use most and I think we should design according to these buttons . Easy to lose , and R_S_I_ . I don't know what R_S_I_ means . Um the person that did the questionnaire obviously did , I don't have a clue . 190.71 191.76 197.3 202.67 204.52 208.07 209.98 211.17 212.97 220.02 220.89 221.8 223.88 227.14 228.14 ES2011b A FEE041 0 227.552 227.936 227.72 227.9 Hm . 227.9 ES2011b D FEE044 3 228.716 250.479 228.74 250.43 Um , according to the frequency of use and the relevance of each buttons , I have made a list of the buttons that we should focus on in order of importance . So the most important buttons are those to do with channel selection . They're used about a hundred and sixty times per hour . And um 230.1 235.51 241.23 244.83 249.16 ES2011b D FEE044 3 251.348 279.4 251.37 279.33 yeah so and and people like to zap a lot apparently , so this is the order . Channel selection , teletext , volume , and power . The other ones are the settings , and they're used less than you know zero point eight to zero point five times per hour , and this means that I think we can we could have like a a button for all the settings , and then , just one , and then from there go on to the audio on the screen , either on the remote or on the television . Um , 254.44 256.12 256.87 257.74 258.91 260.1 262.32 267.14 272.12 272.58 273.11 276.46 278.72 279.33 ES2011b D FEE044 3 280.05 333.706 280.07 333.63 about the screen , and speech recognition , some people are more willing than others to actually pay for that . And if we look at the market , f people from well from fifteen to thirty five year old year olds , I don't really know how to describe this , um ninety one to seventy six percent of people in that age range are willing to pay more for this sort of product , while people that are above thirty five years ol um years old go from thirty five percent to eight percent , so people that are sixty five for example wouldn't actually pay for this sort of thing . Um I don't I don't know um what the decision to be made is , but I think that the people that actually do buy remotes m more are those like teenagers and young professionals and um , most likely , but we should discuss this together . 281.03 283.03 286.48 288.51 293.4 295.34 304.5 311.53 317.15 322.06 331.36 331.92 333.63 ES2011b D FEE044 3 334.64 338.295 334.64 338.26 And that's all I have to say about the matter , um . 337.77 338.26 ES2011b A FEE041 0 337.44 338.736 337.77 338.68 'Kay . 338.68 ES2011b D FEE044 3 341.872 344.591 341.89 344.56 Shall I what do I do ? Do I give this to someone else ? 343.1 344.56 ES2011b A FEE041 0 344.384 345.984 344.4 345.83 Yeah . Just move right on . 345.0 345.83 ES2011b C FEE043 2 349.904 350.88 350.17 350.84 Right . 350.84 ES2011b C FEE043 2 352.118 354.144 352.15 354.01 So get this . 354.01 ES2011b C FEE043 2 377.679 381.968 377.81 381.85 Okay so now I need to press F_ eight , what is it ? 381.37 381.85 ES2011b A FEE041 0 381.936 383.665 381.936 383.52 Uh function F_ eight . 383.52 ES2011b D FEE044 3 382.417 383.479 382.44 383.42 Function F_ eight . 383.42 ES2011b C FEE043 2 389.168 391.328 389.19 391.2 'Kay . What's function ? 390.16 391.2 ES2011b A FEE041 0 391.168 394.688 391.49 394.57 It's the little blue w it's the one th yeah . 394.57 ES2011b C FEE043 2 393.056 393.972 393.08 393.9 Oh function , I see it . 393.54 393.9 ES2011b C FEE043 2 397.612 398.704 397.68 398.38 There we go . 398.38 ES2011b A FEE041 0 397.85 398.816 398.05 398.816 Yeah should be - ES2011b A FEE041 0 405.712 406.816 405.73 406.78 It should be yeah . 406.78 ES2011b C FEE043 2 410.521 412.048 410.55 412.01 Okay . Um . 411.45 412.01 ES2011b C FEE043 2 414.048 422.547 414.07 422.547 This my presentation about the uh technical functions design and I basically just tried to focus on um - ES2011b C FEE043 2 423.36 427.808 423.46 427.74 just what what functions we need and how to make that - ES2011b C FEE043 2 428.96 448.688 428.98 448.61 the best function for the user . So uh and I just sort of like thought about it myself and looked on the internet . And okay so basically um I think i uh like it is really important that we sort of get this done in a user friendly and fashionable way . Um so I think things like uh 430.95 435.42 445.32 ES2011b C FEE043 2 449.856 477.68 449.88 477.56 you know keeping buttons together that like close together that um are used in the same way , uh or um maybe that making 'em the same colour , keeping the number of buttons the uh leas you know to a minimum , and also things like is it is it um is it uh can you c y small enough large enough I'm not sure we c I guess we would need to 456.16 462.53 467.18 ES2011b C FEE043 2 478.752 505.184 478.77 505.184 do some research about , I would , about what size is appropriate and that sort of thing , um but basically we need to make sure that it turns on and off the T_V_ . Does it have like capacity to change the channels ? Um does it do or do we need to have like functions for cable or V_C_R_ ? And then , is it findable , and uh how do we wanna do that ? And um 479.94 480.49 484.13 487.59 490.24 497.2 497.95 499.41 503.34 ES2011b C FEE043 2 506.491 512.304 506.491 512.304 I just thought that these two remotes were pretty boring , um I dunno if this will work but 509.81 ES2011b C FEE043 2 514.592 519.088 514.61 518.95 And I think we can find something that's more fun to look at and use than either of those . 518.95 ES2011b C FEE043 2 521.376 538.064 521.376 537.67 Just I mean I like the one on the right better , just because it does have fewer buttons , uh but I mean I think we sh can sort of think about things like um like colour and you know size , shapes , that sort of thing , to best fit the user . 523.91 525.63 533.86 534.29 534.95 537.67 ES2011b C FEE043 2 540.736 542.72 540.736 542.66 That concludes my presentation . 542.66 ES2011b C FEE043 2 545.648 547.488 545.86 547.44 Okay . You need the little thingy . 546.3 547.44 ES2011b C FEE043 2 564.262 564.946 564.54 564.79 Ooh . 564.79 ES2011b B FEE042 1 593.447 595.533 593.58 595.533 How do I um - ES2011b D FEE044 3 599.621 600.267 599.83 599.96 S - ES2011b D FEE044 3 609.461 611.505 609.73 611.24 That's on view . Oh . 611.11 611.24 ES2011b B FEE042 1 611.298 611.763 611.4 611.67 Right . 611.67 ES2011b B FEE042 1 614.336 627.072 614.36 627.04 Okay so this is on the working design , which is sort of the uh mechanical functions of the remote , um and the method I used was to basically look at existing designs and incorporate ideas from our last meeting . 616.12 621.09 627.04 ES2011b B FEE042 1 628.08 650.368 628.1 650.24 Um so I think we need two basic functions which is just the basic remote functions , the user can input a channel or volume setting and it will be output to the T_V_ . And also we talked about um a location function where maybe you could press a button on the T_V_ and it would send sort of signal to the remote where it would beep or flash or vibrate or whatever to tell you where the remote is . 633.93 638.81 650.24 ES2011b B FEE042 1 651.984 684.784 652.0 684.32 So the components we need are an energy source to power the remote , um input which would probably be buttons , although um we just talked about voice recognition , processor to take the information , um something to transmit it to the T_V_ , and we also need something on the remote that would receive the location signal and have an output , like possibly a beep or a vibration . And also you need a sender for location signal , which would probably be a separate um thing that we'd have to sell with the remote and people could stick it on their T_V_ or stick it on their wall . 655.33 658.3 661.39 664.06 666.8 672.25 675.74 678.01 684.32 ES2011b B FEE042 1 686.256 692.905 686.77 692.86 And this is just sort of an overview of how the remote works . Power comes from the battery , goes to the chip , 690.35 691.77 692.86 ES2011b B FEE042 1 693.904 718.758 693.92 718.58 um and then it is sent from there to an infrared bulb which is probably the easiest way to send to the T_V_ . And then for the location function , you would have a sender on the T_V_ which would output some sort of signal , um we could use I_R_ but we'd probably wanna use radio instead . That signal would go to a receiver which it would process it , and it would be output in the form of a buzzer or a light lighting up . 700.59 702.5 707.14 711.32 714.67 718.58 ES2011b B FEE042 1 721.748 754.274 721.77 754.22 Um so my personal preferences for how to build the remote would probably be uh , battery for the energy source , that way you wouldn't have to plug it in , um a button pad for input , um we can purchase a pre-made chip which will handle all the processing stuff , I_R_ transmitter to communicate to the T_V_ , that's just sort of standard , um so most T_V_s have an I_R_ receiver . Probably a radio receiver to send out location function and to receive it and I'd probably say a buzzer for the location function on the remote itself . So that concludes my presentation . 726.18 727.43 729.53 732.67 736.82 738.9 740.57 743.2 752.83 754.22 ES2011b A FEE041 0 755.936 756.543 756.06 756.37 'Kay . 756.37 ES2011b C FEE043 2 756.32 760.272 756.34 760.272 Do you know about like I dunno , you seem like you know about 758.44 ES2011b B FEE042 1 757.76 758.528 758.19 758.33 Mm ? 758.33 ES2011b B FEE042 1 760.192 763.312 760.21 763.03 Yeah , uh I d I was an engineer before I came here . 760.44 763.03 ES2011b C FEE043 2 761.936 764.032 761.96 764.032 Okay . Cool . 763.16 763.98 ES2011b A FEE041 0 768.912 791.454 768.96 791.42 Okay . Well thank you everybody . Um we have we'll discuss that and then I just wanna mention some new project requirements that came in . Um , teletext is apparently outdated , so due to internet popularity , so that's off the list . Um , 769.51 770.82 779.86 781.11 783.62 787.52 790.64 791.42 ES2011b A FEE041 0 792.468 812.862 792.5 812.36 also our remote should be used only for television , um , no extra internet kinda fancy things , just the remote and the television . Um and also we need to incorporate our corporate image onto this , so um the 796.37 796.77 800.25 803.07 809.07 ES2011b A FEE041 0 814.332 836.272 814.42 836.24 phrase is , we put fashion in electronics , so let's be fashionable I guess . Um if we have something I mean silver and and gold or yellow are our colours , so if we had a like a kind of silver one like you saw , and yellow writing , something like that . Okay . Um . 815.17 817.54 820.66 826.43 830.59 832.93 834.81 835.36 836.24 ES2011b A FEE041 0 837.584 844.128 837.64 844.09 So we need to make some decisions on the remote control functions . Um , 843.42 844.09 ES2011b A FEE041 0 846.592 851.92 846.61 851.89 yeah . Do Let's I guess we should yeah make some 848.99 ES2011b A FEE041 0 853.04 856.161 853.06 856.161 kind of brainstorming , see what we can 855.53 ES2011b C FEE043 2 855.328 856.416 855.35 856.3 Like in terms of - ES2011b D FEE044 3 856.848 858.216 856.87 858.216 How it looks or - ES2011b C FEE043 2 857.44 859.814 857.46 859.74 how it looks , or like what it does ? 858.13 859.74 ES2011b A FEE041 0 859.056 874.4 859.08 874.21 wha what um well probably our target group and how it's gonna going to appeal to our target group and I dunno the the s the buttons and what it does and that sort of thing . So . 873.91 874.21 ES2011b C FEE043 2 868.352 868.888 868.37 868.79 Okay . 868.79 ES2011b C FEE043 2 872.32 874.222 872.34 874.09 Yeah . Okay . 873.74 874.09 ES2011b C FEE043 2 877.456 878.048 877.54 878.048 So - ES2011b C FEE043 2 880.832 886.32 880.85 886.28 Is our target group then people so do we wanna go ahead and design this thing with the finder button ? 886.28 ES2011b C FEE043 2 888.128 888.544 888.15 888.544 So - ES2011b A FEE041 0 888.308 890.736 888.308 890.7 I think that seems to yeah . Mm . 890.5 890.7 ES2011b B FEE042 1 888.578 890.147 888.87 890.07 It's easy to implement . 890.07 ES2011b C FEE043 2 890.256 899.202 890.28 899.14 Okay . So the yeah , yeah , yeah . So then our target age group would be the nineteen to thirty five range , what was it ? 891.01 893.32 893.52 894.27 898.6 899.14 ES2011b D FEE044 3 891.029 894.745 891.029 894.68 the the buzzer you mean , yeah , for sure , yeah . 893.37 893.78 894.28 894.68 ES2011b B FEE042 1 893.504 894.263 893.58 894.13 Locator . 894.13 ES2011b A FEE041 0 898.496 901.165 898.52 900.96 Yeah , teenagers and young professionals . 898.75 900.96 ES2011b D FEE044 3 900.304 902.08 900.32 902.05 Well that's for speech recognition . 902.05 ES2011b C FEE043 2 902.56 902.88 902.6 902.85 Oh . 902.85 ES2011b B FEE042 1 902.59 903.218 902.79 903.218 Well - ES2011b A FEE041 0 902.879 903.76 902.96 903.73 Oh , uh . 903.47 903.73 ES2011b D FEE044 3 902.917 906.634 903.01 906.57 And screen . That's only for speech recognition and screen . 904.39 906.57 ES2011b B FEE042 1 904.912 920.704 904.93 920.67 I was thinking about that but uh I mean speech recognition is really hard to programme , and also , if the T_V_ is on it's making sound and the people on the T_V_ are talking , and if somebody says like one , then the T_V_'s gonna switch itself to channel one , or it seems like a silly , I'm not sure how you would implement it . 909.89 910.75 913.97 915.0 917.03 918.91 920.67 ES2011b A FEE041 0 909.919 910.672 910.02 910.52 Yeah . 910.52 ES2011b D FEE044 3 916.671 918.538 916.69 918.538 Yeah yeah yeah . I mean 917.85 ES2011b C FEE043 2 917.214 919.251 917.39 919.22 Yeah . Yeah . 918.73 919.22 ES2011b A FEE041 0 917.112 917.934 917.41 917.81 Mm . 917.81 ES2011b D FEE044 3 920.944 925.42 920.96 925.42 I just put the values in . But um the screen is the same as what , 922.84 924.78 ES2011b A FEE041 0 922.704 942.944 922.79 942.79 And if if you consider our budget , it probably if you consider our budget , to h have speech recognition programmed in every single remote might be a little pricey . Yeah . Right so um yeah . 924.52 926.83 933.81 935.0 942.79 ES2011b B FEE042 1 924.64 927.905 924.81 927.905 It's a cool idea but - ES2011b C FEE043 2 927.232 927.664 927.25 927.63 Yeah . 927.63 ES2011b D FEE044 3 932.384 935.396 932.41 935.13 Yeah , I'm happy with that . Completely . 932.82 934.49 935.13 ES2011b C FEE043 2 934.592 935.04 934.61 935.01 Hu yeah . 935.01 ES2011b C FEE043 2 939.09 944.048 939.16 944.01 Okay so are we gonna have just some kind of a like we'll have the buzzer on the som like on the T_V_ itself . 944.01 ES2011b B FEE042 1 944.345 968.304 944.41 968.27 Well you would have to have a button on a T_V_ or on your wall or some place since the T_V_ already has power . Yeah you click the button , it's gonna send out a signal , and I was thinking , I_R_ is line of sight , so unless the remote is like actually in front of the T_V_ it's not gonna work , um so probably like a radio signal like on a on a cell phone . Sends out a signal and then the the remote hears the signal and so it beeps probably . 950.47 951.59 953.66 954.28 956.0 959.85 963.26 968.27 ES2011b D FEE044 3 946.192 946.616 946.21 946.43 Yeah . 946.43 ES2011b A FEE041 0 947.743 948.192 947.81 948.16 Yeah . 948.16 ES2011b C FEE043 2 949.552 950.064 949.62 950.03 Yeah . 950.03 ES2011b C FEE043 2 961.52 963.328 961.55 963.29 Okay . Okay . Alright . 962.24 963.08 963.29 ES2011b D FEE044 3 962.11 963.846 962.25 963.73 Yeah . Okay . 963.06 963.73 ES2011b A FEE041 0 963.014 963.699 963.25 963.65 Okay . 963.65 ES2011b C FEE043 2 968.528 969.072 968.528 969.02 Okay . 969.02 ES2011b A FEE041 0 968.992 973.92 969.1 973.89 So you you'd need like a separate base for that or like something you can right . 973.89 ES2011b B FEE042 1 972.128 978.448 972.15 978.41 It would have to be sold separately because if the sender's on the remote then you'd have to find the remote first to click the button to find the remote . 978.41 ES2011b A FEE041 0 977.232 978.232 977.26 978.14 Yeah , yeah . 977.72 978.14 ES2011b D FEE044 3 979.696 983.482 979.72 983.44 So do you plug it in the T_ you plug it in T_V_ , this thing ? 982.75 983.44 ES2011b B FEE042 1 982.912 986.336 982.93 986.2 Yeah , it'd probably just stick it on your T_V_ so if you need to find the remote , click the button . 983.05 985.52 986.2 ES2011b D FEE044 3 984.432 986.348 984.46 986.25 Okay . Okay . 985.73 986.25 ES2011b C FEE043 2 986.384 989.936 986.4 989.9 So it's now like a two-part thing . Okay . Alright . 988.63 989.66 989.9 ES2011b B FEE042 1 987.696 989.712 988.0 989.66 Yeah , so it would be a two part package . 988.28 989.66 ES2011b D FEE044 3 989.744 990.928 989.88 990.39 Okay . 990.39 ES2011b C FEE043 2 991.12 994.72 991.14 994.69 So we get to design that too . Make it fashionable . 993.36 994.69 ES2011b C FEE043 2 995.92 997.584 995.94 997.44 Um , okay . 996.98 997.44 ES2011b A FEE041 0 998.16 1006.336 998.61 1006.16 So do you think even though we're not talking about speek speech recognition our target group should still be teenagers and young professionals . Huh . 1005.95 1006.16 ES2011b B FEE042 1 1004.877 1005.709 1004.91 1005.64 Yeah I think so . 1005.64 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1005.181 1007.248 1005.4 1007.21 Yeah . Just there . 1006.62 1007.21 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1007.696 1008.736 1007.72 1008.3 Okay . 1008.3 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1007.913 1022.176 1007.98 1021.79 Mm . Are we um should that thing be on the thing to put the you s you talking about a home for it . Do you still want to build a little thing next to the telly or to p hang on the wall or shall we leave that for now ? 1008.69 1016.67 1021.79 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1016.768 1017.431 1016.79 1017.14 Yeah . 1017.14 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1022.608 1030.432 1022.64 1030.432 We probably leave that . I mean I guess one takes care of the other , like um if you can yeah if you can call it then it's 1023.52 1025.76 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1025.728 1026.392 1025.75 1026.26 Okay . 1026.26 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1026.256 1026.881 1026.28 1026.74 Yeah . 1026.74 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1030.88 1031.856 1030.9 1031.82 Then it can live anywhere . 1031.82 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1031.622 1033.456 1031.78 1033.24 Yeah . 1033.24 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1032.672 1040.912 1032.69 1040.87 Okay . For the so you have that button , that so there's is there a light or shall we leave just have a radio ? 1033.56 1036.65 1040.87 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1032.705 1033.359 1032.93 1033.28 Yeah . 1033.28 ES2011b B FEE042 1 1041.824 1056.005 1041.85 1055.93 Um on the T_V_ or on the phone ? Um it seemed like a a beep seemed the most reasonable to me , I think that's what the phone has , I mean when you need to find your phone , you just have someone call it and it starts ringing somewhere and then you can figure out that it's in the couch or wherever . 1044.65 1048.4 1050.45 1051.48 1055.93 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1041.822 1043.166 1041.97 1042.99 Are we just having a radio ? 1042.99 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1043.56 1044.384 1043.58 1044.29 On the phone . 1044.29 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1045.304 1045.714 1045.47 1045.56 T - ES2011b D FEE044 3 1046.288 1050.4 1046.31 1049.84 You don't need a light . Yeah yeah yeah . Yeah yeah . 1047.81 1049.36 1049.84 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1048.56 1049.074 1048.58 1048.96 Yeah . 1048.96 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1050.32 1050.962 1050.34 1050.68 Yeah . 1050.68 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1054.768 1059.264 1054.79 1059.18 And like if the if the phone's under the couch , you might not see the light , so yeah . 1057.2 1058.25 1059.18 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1057.075 1062.832 1057.2 1062.832 You can hear it's under the couch yeah . Um , 1059.9 1062.76 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1059.616 1060.595 1059.82 1060.54 So i Yeah . 1060.54 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1067.497 1072.209 1067.52 1072.14 So need the other buttons . So we have this mm . 1069.35 1072.14 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1071.456 1084.816 1071.48 1084.77 So I mean the two remotes that you had shown r I don't remember who showed them , yeah you you did um , they're I mean one looked like it was for V_C_R_ type thing , and the other looked like just television . 1076.11 1078.63 1082.79 1084.77 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1075.347 1076.998 1075.56 1076.998 Mm-hmm . 1076.88 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1075.487 1077.005 1075.7 1076.88 That was that was me . 1076.88 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1084.048 1089.978 1084.07 1089.94 I think w I think they're both sort of just like general remo they're both general remotes . And uh 1089.34 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1087.526 1088.361 1087.64 1088.21 Oh really . 1088.21 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1089.392 1094.976 1089.41 1094.94 'Cause that that is something we have to decide , is whether we want to have V_C_R_ capabilities . 1091.1 1094.94 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1095.056 1095.584 1095.08 1095.55 Yeah . 1095.55 ES2011b B FEE042 1 1095.32 1099.44 1095.43 1099.4 Does anyone know if V_C_R_s are the same across international ? 1099.4 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1099.968 1101.882 1099.99 1101.76 They're not no . 1101.76 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1100.544 1101.538 1100.57 1101.42 They're not , no . 1101.11 1101.42 ES2011b B FEE042 1 1101.392 1105.275 1101.41 1105.2 Okay , so you'd need like a whole different set of buttons for everybody's V_C_R_s . 1101.62 1105.2 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1101.547 1102.161 1101.79 1102.1 S - ES2011b A FEE041 0 1102.96 1106.32 1102.98 1106.23 Yeah , that's right , yeah . But D_V_D_ probably is . 1103.35 1103.99 1104.62 1106.23 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1103.348 1105.259 1103.348 1105.11 It not V_H_S_ here ? 1105.11 ES2011b B FEE042 1 1107.44 1109.376 1107.46 1109.33 Yeah , other than that region and coding thing . 1107.71 1109.33 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1109.456 1110.352 1109.48 1110.352 Um - ES2011b D FEE044 3 1110.272 1111.598 1110.29 1111.598 But V_C_R_s - ES2011b A FEE041 0 1110.672 1118.704 1110.69 1118.67 And and if we're if we're targeting young professionals and teenagers , I mean it's gonna be D_V_D_ type , that's the the technology these days . 1114.18 1116.68 1118.67 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1116.007 1117.776 1116.03 1117.74 Yeah . Yeah , for sure . 1116.91 1117.19 1117.74 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1117.438 1132.496 1117.7 1132.38 Yeah . So . Okay , let's see if I can I think still though , it shouldn't be that hard to take like just reduce the number of buttons you know , like 'cause if you just have like one menu button , that works like with a 1118.86 1119.87 1120.23 1124.15 1127.99 1130.78 ES2011b B FEE042 1 1117.534 1118.483 1117.83 1118.31 Mm-hmm . 1118.31 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1127.616 1128.192 1127.64 1128.03 Yeah . 1128.03 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1133.504 1139.104 1133.52 1139.01 you know , or you can just kind of scroll through the options u that come up on the T_V_ . 1134.31 1139.01 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1136.608 1137.104 1136.63 1137.03 Yeah . 1137.03 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1137.76 1142.448 1137.78 1142.37 Well for sure we need the um I think we can just design the - ES2011b D FEE044 3 1144.288 1154.944 1144.31 1154.83 channels ? I mean power's just a button , and it's not used that much , s and it's usually that red and I think it's quite nice to keep it like red . 1145.87 1148.23 1149.85 1154.83 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1146.316 1146.975 1146.51 1146.89 S - ES2011b C FEE043 2 1147.52 1148.106 1147.54 1147.99 Yeah . 1147.99 ES2011b B FEE042 1 1147.824 1148.288 1147.84 1148.1 Mm-hmm . 1148.1 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1148.151 1148.677 1148.22 1148.51 Huh . 1148.51 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1149.892 1150.432 1150.07 1150.4 Yeah . 1150.4 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1151.558 1152.296 1151.66 1152.16 Yeah . 1152.16 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1154.096 1154.8 1154.12 1154.63 Yeah . 1154.63 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1154.96 1167.584 1154.98 1167.584 You know , I've seen some remotes that where you just hold one , like if you hold one down it's it's a different colour than the other buttons but that turns it on . So you don't actually have a separate power button , it's just 1155.18 1159.72 1164.18 1166.83 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1166.481 1168.074 1166.52 1168.02 Oh okay , yeah . 1167.67 1168.02 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1167.68 1182.624 1167.72 1182.52 It seems like that would be hard though . I mean , like because unless you know yeah . Just 'cause I wouldn't I would probably pick it up and just be like uh why is there no on button . Yeah . B Yeah . 1169.07 1170.68 1173.65 1179.4 1179.97 1182.52 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1168.42 1168.734 1168.44 1168.734 But - ES2011b A FEE041 0 1171.558 1173.408 1171.58 1173.35 It might be confusing . Yeah . 1172.96 1173.35 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1175.424 1176.112 1175.44 1176.02 Yeah . 1176.02 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1177.248 1186.544 1177.27 1186.49 Besides you like to be able to go power . I have the power I guess . So we definitely want a power button and numbers . Right . 1179.26 1182.95 1186.23 1186.49 ES2011b B FEE042 1 1177.96 1181.621 1178.12 1181.621 Yeah , I never think to hold something down . 1178.3 1181.36 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1178.265 1179.134 1178.41 1178.99 Yeah . 1178.99 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1185.904 1186.498 1185.97 1186.45 Yeah . 1186.45 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1186.464 1194.176 1186.48 1194.12 Well even um iPod thing , like um , I don't know if people like this but if you want to reduce the number , 1189.01 1189.81 1194.12 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1195.36 1201.266 1195.8 1201.19 of buttons , instead of having like one to nine , have a sort of 1196.77 1199.83 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1201.744 1205.664 1202.05 1205.63 That sort of like joystick flat touch thing , yeah . 1205.27 1205.63 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1202.32 1210.272 1202.34 1210.272 scrolling I don't know . Yeah . Because people li seem now the iPod's out people seem to like this thing that there's no 1204.16 1205.36 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1203.887 1205.232 1203.94 1205.232 Mm . 1205.18 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1211.904 1214.323 1211.98 1214.323 Know you don't have one two three four five - ES2011b C FEE043 2 1212.912 1228.032 1212.93 1227.98 Yeah , yeah . I think that's an interesting idea , 'cause it's cool , it's it's funny like you f like I just I don't have an iPod but like I , you know , I just like started messing around with one of my friend's the other day , and you just sort of and it's funny how you pick it up and you just figure out how to use it quite easily , like it's not that hard , you know . 1213.23 1213.48 1214.69 1215.89 1219.22 1219.91 1222.13 1226.57 1227.65 1227.98 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1214.704 1214.992 1214.72 1214.95 Mm . 1214.95 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1227.632 1228.21 1227.65 1227.98 Yeah . 1227.98 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1227.952 1231.328 1227.99 1231.27 Yeah yeah , it's just and it's one thing which has everything . 1228.37 1231.27 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1229.712 1234.88 1229.73 1234.85 Yeah , and it is yeah . It is really but do you need a screen then , do you have to have a screen then ? 1230.29 1231.77 1233.65 1234.85 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1234.8 1243.717 1234.82 1243.717 Well can't it tell the like can't you if you you can have the number on the telly going like one two three four five once you scroll and then - ES2011b B FEE042 1 1237.678 1240.503 1237.83 1240.36 Yeah , you can have the number going around in the corner . 1238.13 1240.36 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1239.046 1245.712 1239.1 1245.65 Yeah . Okay . Yeah . Yeah . Okay so we have this like scrolling sort of button . 1239.87 1240.6 1241.72 1242.82 1245.65 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1243.174 1244.301 1243.36 1244.301 Oh that's gonna - ES2011b A FEE041 0 1245.68 1249.707 1245.7 1249.64 Is that like on on a mouse pad where like kind of okay . 1249.64 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1246.283 1247.176 1246.34 1247.12 Like a disc . 1247.12 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1248.096 1252.727 1248.29 1252.63 Yeah . Yeah . It's like it's just like the same technology as a mouse pad . 1248.97 1249.21 1252.63 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1250.864 1252.338 1250.88 1252.25 I've never used one . No . 1252.05 1252.25 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1250.813 1255.105 1250.97 1254.97 It's like l this like that , and then you do that . 1253.56 1254.97 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1253.569 1254.076 1253.67 1254.01 Okay . 1254.01 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1255.328 1256.0 1255.35 1255.94 Okay . 1255.94 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1255.293 1255.76 1255.35 1255.72 Yeah . 1255.72 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1256.8 1257.664 1256.87 1257.49 Yeah and then . 1257.49 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1256.32 1264.688 1256.92 1264.64 And then you can have um if you actually just want to zap , you can have like a thing 1262.81 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1265.728 1271.736 1265.728 1271.7 like that , and that , and then it can just be plus and minus . 1268.64 1269.22 1271.7 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1271.382 1275.456 1271.47 1275.456 Okay . So like it's like a little part of the circle that 1272.5 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1276.512 1279.76 1276.55 1279.76 Or it oh so it's just a region of the circle that you can - ES2011b D FEE044 3 1277.232 1278.27 1277.25 1278.27 Yeah , you can 1277.58 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1278.144 1278.725 1278.16 1278.59 Well i - ES2011b D FEE044 3 1280.544 1283.217 1280.6 1283.217 Yeah , click o actually click on to have 1280.95 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1280.816 1282.016 1280.98 1281.97 zap . Okay . 1281.51 1281.97 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1282.0 1292.356 1282.02 1292.26 We could we could even have four buttons , like , if that's the if that's the mouse , you could have the volume and the channel changers just like on that as well . 1284.93 1286.19 1288.06 1292.26 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1289.312 1289.828 1289.33 1289.71 Yeah . 1289.71 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1290.72 1295.472 1290.74 1295.44 Yeah . So volume could be like the top it and the bottom So do you need to okay . 1291.52 1295.44 ES2011b B FEE042 1 1294.702 1298.212 1294.88 1297.63 Doesn't it rotate though , so it'll be moving around . 1295.81 1297.63 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1296.56 1300.256 1296.77 1300.256 Well y you have to you have to like be able to change the function of it to like - ES2011b D FEE044 3 1301.744 1302.784 1301.76 1302.75 What do you mean the function ? 1302.75 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1302.704 1304.432 1302.73 1304.432 I mean like okay , 'cause so 1303.51 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1306.56 1321.264 1306.58 1321.08 I dunno , I guess Okay so when you g scroll your thumb like around it , it'll s like say you're go you're going clockwise . That that means you're gonna go up the channels , and then you scroll the other way and it'll go down . But then so if you wanna switch to the to u do you have to switch to a function where 1307.1 1309.96 1313.18 1315.35 1317.5 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1315.579 1315.968 1315.67 1315.9 Yeah . 1315.9 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1317.12 1317.472 1317.14 1317.44 Yeah . 1317.44 ES2011b B FEE042 1 1317.392 1317.728 1317.44 1317.68 Mm-hmm . 1317.68 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1322.272 1330.992 1322.31 1330.82 like y so you're either in that mode or you're in the mode where like it just has like the four like you know this is channel that way , that's that way and volume is up and down . 1329.36 1330.82 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1331.6 1334.921 1331.62 1334.89 Yeah but it knows for some reason . The iPod knows . 1333.75 1334.89 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1332.864 1333.432 1332.88 1333.432 It just - ES2011b C FEE043 2 1334.512 1336.749 1334.53 1336.67 It just kno the iPod knows . S 1336.03 ES2011b B FEE042 1 1335.216 1338.006 1335.216 1337.87 If it works on an iPod then it works . 1337.87 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1337.76 1341.824 1337.78 1341.79 Yeah . So you just you just can either do this or like you can just touch it if you want . 1338.35 1341.79 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1338.172 1338.674 1338.22 1338.45 Huh . 1338.45 ES2011b B FEE042 1 1339.334 1340.413 1339.42 1340.31 I don't have one . 1340.31 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1341.744 1346.368 1341.76 1346.33 Well for the volume you have to press the middle , and then go up . 1344.82 1346.33 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1344.272 1345.953 1344.36 1345.84 Okay . That's what I mean . Okay . 1344.74 1345.48 1345.84 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1346.816 1351.592 1346.84 1351.49 Okay so you have to like press this middle region and then you can scroll up , go up and down . 1350.9 1351.49 ES2011b B FEE042 1 1347.943 1348.679 1348.05 1348.46 Oh . 1348.46 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1351.072 1359.072 1351.09 1359.02 And then well if you do that it goes , but if you like that makes more sense 'cause there's already ones with up and down here , that I've seen . 1352.9 1358.37 1359.02 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1351.27 1352.704 1351.36 1352.704 So it's like holding - ES2011b A FEE041 0 1356.767 1357.856 1356.88 1357.63 You can o - ES2011b A FEE041 0 1359.184 1359.856 1359.25 1359.78 And you - ES2011b A FEE041 0 1360.896 1367.072 1360.92 1367.072 you is there an extra actual button ? Or are you actually you're just using the mouse to go up and down . Like 1362.87 1366.82 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1366.272 1381.84 1366.29 1381.84 Well what you for the iPod you press an w right if you're on the channel let's say , then you press on the middle and then if you do that again the volume goes up , and if you do that it goes down . But if you wanna keep it with volume here and here , I'm pretty sure 1370.74 1374.49 1376.15 1379.98 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1367.216 1367.908 1367.24 1367.64 It's like a b - ES2011b A FEE041 0 1370.112 1370.56 1370.19 1370.51 Mm-hmm . 1370.51 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1372.048 1372.52 1372.11 1372.39 Mm-hmm . 1372.39 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1374.475 1375.035 1374.57 1374.92 Right . 1374.92 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1375.856 1376.24 1375.89 1376.16 Mm-hmm . 1376.16 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1382.0 1389.904 1382.16 1389.904 Well I mean if if you're gonna this for channels , right , then y wouldn't the volume need to be separate somehow ? Like you could just have 1384.94 1385.48 1388.94 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1385.327 1386.005 1385.43 1385.76 Yeah . 1385.76 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1391.04 1394.404 1391.06 1394.404 I don't know , you could click and then have it up and down , but I think 1391.5 1393.63 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1391.6 1392.654 1391.62 1392.654 Oh , like 1392.07 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1393.105 1393.597 1393.18 1393.597 Like - ES2011b A FEE041 0 1393.595 1394.816 1393.63 1394.816 Oh you could actually - ES2011b C FEE043 2 1395.712 1407.472 1395.73 1407.44 I think we can go on the fact that it does just work with the iPod . But the only thing is like , iPods are so expensive , like , it has to be is that part of yeah , I dunno , I dunno . You don't think so ? Okay . 1398.7 1399.51 1400.76 1400.95 1404.37 1405.2 1406.2 1407.03 1407.44 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1397.92 1398.859 1397.97 1398.82 Yeah yeah yeah . 1398.82 ES2011b B FEE042 1 1398.373 1399.373 1398.45 1398.98 Yeah . 1398.98 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1398.324 1399.064 1398.57 1398.9 Yeah . 1398.9 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1403.072 1407.653 1403.09 1407.653 Is that what makes them expensi I think it's all of they have so much memory though , that's it's 1406.37 ES2011b B FEE042 1 1404.096 1406.203 1404.096 1406.04 I don't think so . 1406.04 ES2011b B FEE042 1 1407.008 1409.414 1407.03 1409.33 I don't think it's the wheel dealy . 1409.33 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1408.096 1408.633 1408.12 1408.633 I think it - ES2011b A FEE041 0 1409.136 1415.931 1409.16 1415.8 Yeah . I think it's the uh h it's their capabili I mean they it can hold what like five thousand songs or something . 1409.78 1415.8 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1409.653 1410.269 1409.72 1410.02 Yeah . 1410.02 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1409.82 1410.712 1410.02 1410.56 Okay . 1410.56 ES2011b B FEE042 1 1414.289 1414.943 1414.39 1414.71 Yeah . 1414.71 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1414.72 1420.16 1414.75 1420.13 Yeah . I'm thinking we could if if we're hav So ba I mean but an iPod just has that circle thing you know . 1415.53 1420.13 ES2011b B FEE042 1 1414.943 1417.751 1414.943 1414.943 . 1414.943 ES2011b B FEE042 1 1417.751 1424.176 1417.98 1424.13 And they're re-programmable aren't they ? You can put on your songs and then put on a different set , that's probably why they're expensive , they're like little computers . 1419.47 1421.35 1423.07 1424.13 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1419.568 1421.926 1419.59 1421.84 Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . 1420.84 1421.53 1421.84 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1422.608 1436.729 1422.63 1436.729 Yeah . Yeah . Well like since it just has the circle thing , you could make it a qui a kind of cool shape , like it could be a cool sort of you know , because it could be circular , you know , or something weird like that , just 1423.99 1425.3 1427.51 1429.4 1432.77 1434.43 1434.99 1436.25 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1423.392 1423.881 1423.41 1423.64 S - ES2011b D FEE044 3 1430.112 1430.567 1430.13 1430.53 Yeah . 1430.53 ES2011b B FEE042 1 1431.056 1431.744 1431.4 1431.66 Mm-hmm . 1431.66 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1434.224 1435.013 1434.25 1434.98 Yeah yeah yeah . 1434.98 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1435.952 1440.96 1435.98 1440.93 Well it could just be simple instead of being a l mass . Because , the other thing , 1439.5 1440.1 1440.93 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1442.272 1446.842 1442.41 1446.842 I didn't tell you all my presentation , is that people find it 1444.31 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1449.136 1462.576 1449.16 1462.5 find that it's a big waste of time to have to learn how to use your remote and that's another thing they complained about . Um , what other buttons were there ? Volume oh we've ts just said that . 1457.24 1458.14 1460.35 1462.5 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1453.568 1454.128 1453.59 1454.05 Yeah . 1454.05 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1454.048 1455.36 1454.63 1455.31 Mm . 1455.31 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1456.352 1456.816 1456.37 1456.78 Yeah . 1456.78 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1464.496 1469.344 1464.59 1469.344 So okay . This is just for T_V_ , it's not for or it is does need to be compatible with 1465.43 1466.54 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1464.798 1466.118 1464.84 1466.06 Channel selection . 1466.06 ES2011b B FEE042 1 1468.913 1469.495 1469.1 1469.495 I - ES2011b A FEE041 0 1469.52 1470.432 1469.54 1470.432 Um - ES2011b B FEE042 1 1470.576 1474.843 1470.6 1474.59 A D_V_D_ is simple , you just have play , pause , eject , 1471.52 1472.78 1474.07 1474.59 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1472.704 1474.772 1472.72 1474.772 Yeah . So how do you switch 1473.68 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1473.585 1474.883 1473.76 1474.3 Menu . 1474.3 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1473.91 1489.557 1474.05 1489.557 You know actually our our new project requirements , I'm not sure if they meant o onl use only for television as in not for D_V_D_ or just not internet type things . So I'll I'll check that and update you on the next But we'll hold off on that 'cause 1476.52 1483.98 ES2011b B FEE042 1 1476.416 1477.353 1476.44 1477.29 and menu maybe . 1477.29 ES2011b B FEE042 1 1482.48 1483.169 1482.52 1483.13 Oh yeah . 1483.13 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1484.598 1485.168 1484.72 1485.13 Okay . 1485.13 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1486.576 1487.984 1486.6 1487.984 So like if we had that - ES2011b C FEE043 2 1489.056 1489.856 1489.08 1489.74 Yeah . 1489.74 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1490.272 1491.608 1490.29 1491.36 But s yeah uh . 1491.36 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1490.96 1493.096 1490.99 1493.01 But D_V_D_ players usually have their own remote . 1493.01 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1493.584 1496.98 1493.6 1496.98 That's true , yeah . So , I know I'm not c really clear on what 1494.16 1495.17 1495.49 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1494.304 1494.784 1494.32 1494.73 Yeah . 1494.73 ES2011b B FEE042 1 1495.972 1502.704 1496.22 1502.63 But it's cool to have it all on one , because you wanna turn it on then you wanna turn up the volume , and then you wanna go to the menu , so you don't wanna switch . 1497.48 1499.79 1501.01 1502.63 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1497.588 1499.231 1497.7 1499.04 Yeah , yeah , yeah . 1498.12 1498.37 1499.04 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1497.744 1498.669 1497.76 1498.63 Yeah , yeah . 1498.35 1498.63 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1500.318 1502.115 1500.46 1501.66 Mm . Mm . 1501.26 1501.66 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1500.631 1501.435 1500.73 1501.35 Yeah . 1501.35 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1500.864 1510.592 1500.88 1510.592 So you'd have to have like I think you would have to have like a function switch button , you know somewhere so like you can you're either on T_V_ , you're on D_V_D_ or you're on V_C_R_ , or you're like . So 1504.89 1507.15 1509.73 1510.33 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1509.168 1509.808 1509.27 1509.77 Yeah . 1509.77 ES2011b B FEE042 1 1510.224 1512.576 1510.24 1512.39 Well but D_V_D_ is only like four buttons . 1512.39 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1512.496 1513.937 1512.52 1513.85 Yeah , it is only fun 1512.8 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1512.8 1519.055 1512.92 1518.99 Yeah , but I mean like to switch the fun so like to switch the function of the little circle disc , the touch pad . 1513.15 1518.29 1518.99 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1513.918 1514.896 1514.09 1514.68 But i - ES2011b B FEE042 1 1518.342 1527.52 1518.49 1527.48 Oh . But I think the circle only does channel isn't applicable to D_V_D_ really 'cause you don't wanna but volume is and volume is actually controlled on the T_V_ so you don't have to switch . 1518.82 1527.48 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1518.678 1519.408 1518.78 1519.31 Yeah . 1519.31 ES2011b C FEE043 2 1523.344 1524.918 1523.6 1524.918 Yeah but it it would be - ES2011b C FEE043 2 1527.536 1548.388 1527.68 1547.89 So but I'm saying like , does it make sense to have like some kind of a button , so like you're if you're on T_V_ , like you can switch channels , but then if uh if you're on D_V_D_ then like the channel bu like the the region of the disc that was for channels is for like switching to different tracks or s you know , to different I mean do we need to think about that , that like 1529.7 1531.52 1533.01 1535.04 1545.52 1547.75 ES2011b A FEE041 0 1548.064 1571.984 1548.08 1571.53 Um , yeah , let's think about it 'cause we need to wrap up . Um let's see . Um so everyone's gonna go finish their questionnaire , uh then when we come back after lunch we'll have thirty minutes of individual work , um yeah , so think about the things we've discussed and bring some new ideas to our next meeting . See you soon . 1548.55 1548.83 1550.99 1553.55 1557.86 1562.75 1564.32 1570.94 1571.53 ES2011b B FEE042 1 1548.129 1549.312 1548.29 1549.23 Yes we can try that . 1549.23 ES2011b D FEE044 3 1550.899 1552.992 1550.899 1552.93 Okay . 1552.93 ES2011c A FEE041 0 73.813 83.616 74.59 83.0 Hi everyone , hope you had a nice lunch . Um . Alright we're moving on to conceptual design . 75.45 77.96 79.62 83.0 ES2011c C FEE043 2 83.553 87.6 83.553 87.6 'Scuse me . 86.91 ES2011c D FEE044 3 85.831 86.729 86.03 86.6 Bless you . 86.6 ES2011c A FEE041 0 88.0 97.504 88.02 97.504 Um , I'll just review what we did in our last meeting . Um , under marketing we targeted our audience , and 88.92 92.44 94.12 96.77 ES2011c A FEE041 0 98.544 100.448 98.68 100.41 Um , yeah . 100.23 100.41 ES2011c A FEE041 0 101.076 119.712 101.12 119.712 That was generally how helpful that was . Um , then we considered some design options with how it should look , um , we discussed an iPod-like button system which , uh , we haven't concluded but we're 106.13 107.24 112.36 112.85 117.08 117.31 ES2011c A FEE041 0 120.704 122.496 120.72 122.496 Right , um 121.41 ES2011c A FEE041 0 124.16 133.76 124.67 133.72 So , if you all have presentations to do , we can see what where you've come from our last time . 126.73 129.62 133.72 ES2011c A FEE041 0 134.752 136.282 134.77 136.22 Does everyone have presentations ? 136.22 ES2011c B FEE042 1 134.946 135.86 135.29 135.6 Hmm . 135.6 ES2011c D FEE044 3 136.176 137.582 136.72 137.33 Yeah . 137.33 ES2011c C FEE043 2 136.48 138.096 136.86 137.94 Yes . 137.94 ES2011c A FEE041 0 137.264 139.926 137.28 139.75 Okay . Would anybody like to go first ? 138.32 139.75 ES2011c B FEE042 1 137.262 137.911 137.3 137.83 Yes . 137.83 ES2011c B FEE042 1 140.906 141.654 141.06 141.56 Sure . 141.56 ES2011c A FEE041 0 141.632 142.421 141.94 142.09 Okay . 142.09 ES2011c B FEE042 1 161.228 173.296 161.56 173.26 So I've been looking at the components design . Um . Mostly by consulting remote control diagrams from the internet and also by incorporating design ideas from the last project meeting . 165.68 167.38 173.26 ES2011c B FEE042 1 174.976 189.056 175.35 188.93 Um , so we need some custom design parts , and other parts we'll just use standard . Um , I assume we'll be custom designing our case , probably a hard plastic or some other material case , to protect the remote and the locator . 175.71 178.06 181.0 181.64 184.45 187.06 188.93 ES2011c B FEE042 1 190.08 203.33 190.16 203.3 And we'll need to custom desi design a circuit board , because the circuit board has to take the button input and send it to the output so you have to design that each time . But once we come up with a design we'll send it to the circuit people and they'll just print it out . 193.04 199.92 203.3 ES2011c B FEE042 1 204.368 222.224 204.39 222.18 Um , standard parts include the buttons and the wheels , um the iPod-style wheel . The infrared L_E_D_ is actually gonna be included in the circuit board that comes with it . Um , we need a radio sender and receiver , those are standard . And al we also need a beeper or buzzer or other sort of noise thing for locating the remote . 204.6 207.32 209.37 213.92 214.12 215.51 216.71 222.18 ES2011c B FEE042 1 223.52 241.024 223.54 240.99 So we have some material options . Um , we can use rubber , plastic , wood or titanium . Um , I'd recommend against titanium because it can only be used in the flat cases and it's really heavy . Um , and the rubber case requires rubber buttons , so if we definitely want plastic buttons , we shouldn't have a rubber case . 225.19 225.44 226.36 227.06 229.14 229.93 235.18 235.53 237.25 239.73 240.99 ES2011c A FEE041 0 243.483 250.816 243.83 250.816 And why not wood ? And why not wood ? 245.09 250.68 ES2011c B FEE042 1 243.695 245.184 243.83 245.14 And , hmm ? 244.8 245.14 ES2011c B FEE042 1 246.304 264.832 246.304 264.77 Uh , well we can use wood . I don't know why we'd want to . Um and also we should note that if we want an iPod-style wheel button , it's gonna require a m qu slightly more expensive chip . We can't use the minimal chip , we need the next higher grade , which is called regular . I don't think it's much more expensive , but it is more expensive . 247.96 248.87 251.22 254.99 257.23 259.41 260.59 262.18 263.45 264.77 ES2011c B FEE042 1 265.92 268.48 265.94 268.43 So that's what I've got on design . 268.43 ES2011c A FEE041 0 271.312 272.256 271.33 271.7 'S good . 271.7 ES2011c D FEE044 3 279.264 282.627 279.28 282.56 Um , can I do next ? 'Cause I have to say something about the material 279.89 280.59 ES2011c A FEE041 0 281.669 282.313 281.85 282.14 Hmm . 282.14 ES2011c C FEE043 2 282.25 283.256 282.55 282.79 Yeah . 282.79 ES2011c D FEE044 3 283.292 285.845 283.7 285.73 which is quite shocking . 285.73 ES2011c D FEE044 3 292.651 293.873 292.78 293.54 Ha . Mm . 293.49 293.54 ES2011c D FEE044 3 308.992 334.575 310.16 334.37 Right , um , I have been searching the current trends , um , both on the web and via fashion-watchers , and the findings are that the first thing to aim for is a fashion uh , fancy look and feel . Um . Next comes technologic technology and the innovations to do with that . And th last thing is the 310.63 311.89 315.11 315.56 318.7 323.39 325.71 326.58 331.85 ES2011c D FEE044 3 335.472 370.405 335.61 370.31 easy to use um factor . Um , fancy look and feel goes far beyond the functionality of the thing , but I suppose that is included in in the ease of use . Um , our fashion-watchers in Milan and Paris have decided , well noticed , that f the fruit and vegetable theme is the is the current trend and and therefore um we need to go for that if we want , you know , wh whatever our motto is . Um . 338.07 338.97 342.72 347.27 348.45 354.36 355.28 366.97 367.56 369.57 370.31 ES2011c D FEE044 3 370.88 400.56 370.9 400.52 For fashion , we go for fashion . The fashion in electronics . So we want to put the fashion electronics , we need to go fruit and vegetables . And also go for a spongy feel , so the the question of our technology whate is Industrial Designer . As to the material should be limited to I don't know how spongy it can be , should discuss this together , I don't know how spongy can be achieved but apparently that's the way to go . 371.73 373.11 374.65 376.52 378.84 382.21 389.34 394.29 395.48 400.52 ES2011c A FEE041 0 371.273 371.829 371.48 371.66 Mm . 371.66 ES2011c D FEE044 3 401.6 431.092 401.62 431.01 Um . I I have been thinking about this fruit and vegetable thing and I prefer fruits to vegetables , but that's just a personal opinion . I think I think people like to have a fruit instead of a vegetables in their sitting room . Uh those are just suggestions and also we need to decide whether this should be printed , so that still has to do with the material discuss should we print the fruit stuff , or should the actual remote look like a fruit ? 402.97 410.59 412.45 418.02 423.28 427.79 431.01 ES2011c D FEE044 3 431.616 450.393 431.64 450.28 Um , and finally again with the spongy . It has to be technologically innovative so maybe again our Industrial Designer should look into that or find come up with a solution that's better than mine . Um , yeah , to summarise these are the points that need to be 432.98 435.96 446.51 447.5 447.7 ES2011c D FEE044 3 451.312 463.278 451.33 462.41 um , touched in order to get a good decision , and hopefully our User Interface has more to say about the matter . Thank you for your attention . 451.88 454.49 461.03 462.41 ES2011c C FEE043 2 460.384 462.528 460.49 462.32 Mm-hmm . 462.32 ES2011c C FEE043 2 477.718 479.616 477.83 479.28 So . 479.28 ES2011c A FEE041 0 480.523 483.072 480.83 482.86 I think it's the next it's the blue one , yeah . 482.58 482.86 ES2011c C FEE043 2 481.712 485.48 481.74 485.28 Oh , uh , there we go . Uh . 481.85 482.23 484.93 485.28 ES2011c C FEE043 2 489.696 503.776 489.77 503.776 Okay . Um . Well so that fruit and vegetables thing huh . I actually wasn't aware of the new trends in electronics and and uh 490.45 491.81 495.22 ES2011c D FEE044 3 500.256 509.372 500.28 509.372 Neither was I . Well it's a trend in fashion , in clothing and um fabrics . 500.95 502.91 509.26 ES2011c A FEE041 0 505.328 509.698 505.35 509.698 Yeah but you're not gonna wear your remote control . 509.16 ES2011c C FEE043 2 507.92 513.264 507.96 513.264 So so okay , let me get this right . Okay , uh 508.95 512.27 512.76 ES2011c C FEE043 2 514.48 545.68 514.54 545.59 Okay , alright anyway . Um here we go . Conceptual User Interface . Trying we're gonna try to talk about , um what kind of uh how people are actually going to be using this iPod-ish remote control , based on fruit vegetable design . And , um , basically , so , this is a touched ba a touch-based graphical interface system . Uh , so people are going to be looking at this little screen . Um , kind of I mean I assume , are we still on the screen idea ? 515.05 515.67 517.53 519.06 520.62 528.89 531.76 532.41 532.78 533.53 535.34 539.16 539.52 542.34 542.97 543.89 545.59 ES2011c A FEE041 0 546.368 549.841 546.39 549.62 Oh we s hadn't discussed it last time . 549.62 ES2011c C FEE043 2 548.83 558.784 548.98 558.7 'Cause if we're gonna have to ha if we have this it just seems like in order to have someone going around and using the um the wheel - ES2011c A FEE041 0 558.904 560.754 559.18 560.56 You need a screen for it ? 560.56 ES2011c C FEE043 2 559.968 562.032 559.99 561.79 you it seems like you would need a screen . 561.79 ES2011c B FEE042 1 561.408 569.072 561.43 569.072 You need a screen with music because you're looking for a specific song , like you know that band or whatever . With T_V_ channels it's , you know , one two three . So 564.24 566.11 567.08 567.48 568.41 ES2011c C FEE043 2 565.632 576.546 565.66 576.546 But like if you think about it yeah but if so is it just okay . So , b you you're gonna have to switch to like D_V_D_ and like other things like that , aren't you ? Are we 570.21 571.08 574.38 575.45 ES2011c A FEE041 0 574.149 582.172 574.43 582.09 We're , um , we're actually not having D_V_D_ , that was one of th I I was sorry , I I meant to update you on that . Um . 574.99 575.39 576.68 579.54 581.49 582.09 ES2011c B FEE042 1 576.944 577.6 577.0 577.56 Yeah . 577.56 ES2011c C FEE043 2 578.256 582.064 578.28 581.67 Okay . Alright . Okay . 580.16 581.33 581.67 ES2011c D FEE044 3 581.639 586.426 581.69 585.77 But the screen can come up on the telly , the she said . That correct ? 583.56 584.9 585.77 ES2011c C FEE043 2 584.032 619.722 584.05 619.722 Okay . Okay . So anyway if well we just we need to Okay so if we're not gonna have a screen I think I was thinking okay . So basically it's just gonna be a wheel then ? And you're just gonna I mean I think you're gonna have to have some kind of a right . Yeah like you're g yeah like you're gonna have to be able to switch to like a mode where you can okay we're not choosing that , I guess . But like choose channel control , like if you wa Because people aren't gonna be able to have like , um , you know , channels one two three four five six seven eight nine . So that people seems to be well 584.91 585.67 593.34 596.33 601.14 607.66 607.92 609.94 612.77 614.57 614.99 617.39 ES2011c B FEE042 1 585.168 585.792 585.19 585.46 Yeah . 585.46 ES2011c D FEE044 3 600.176 604.384 600.2 604.01 Graphical interface ? Uh on the you can have it on the telly though . 601.45 604.01 ES2011c A FEE041 0 603.28 604.242 603.72 604.03 Yeah . 604.03 ES2011c A FEE041 0 616.358 617.06 616.59 616.93 Yeah . 616.93 ES2011c A FEE041 0 618.946 621.61 619.15 621.61 You've Yeah , I know what you're saying , you have to 619.74 620.99 ES2011c C FEE043 2 620.656 630.688 620.68 630.688 You know . But you're gonna have to scroll to get channels . So um I guess that's wh why I was thinking you may need to have some kind of a screen because 621.19 623.48 ES2011c C FEE043 2 631.733 647.024 631.75 647.024 So that people can go arou go back and forth and choose if or or then again if you just I guess I c I can see like some kind of a thing where like you sort of have like the number come up on the T_V_ like what channel you're on . You can just scroll and you can just get to like five or like twelve or 643.52 ES2011c D FEE044 3 642.198 645.281 642.64 645.1 Yeah , yeah , yeah . Yeah , yeah . 643.4 643.78 644.37 644.86 645.1 ES2011c B FEE042 1 643.613 644.18 643.71 644.01 Yeah . 644.01 ES2011c A FEE041 0 646.792 648.568 646.96 648.44 But but imagine someone with s - ES2011c B FEE042 1 646.968 650.419 647.14 650.22 My flatmates actually had one with a wheel , and it it did show up on the T_V_ . 648.77 650.22 ES2011c C FEE043 2 649.452 650.816 649.61 650.76 I oh yeah ? 650.76 ES2011c A FEE041 0 651.334 656.854 651.44 656.854 But i what if you have satellite and you have like two hundred channels . Then to get to channel one eighty nine you have to 654.28 ES2011c C FEE043 2 654.261 659.868 654.56 659.868 'Cause you'll have to like but you can quickly s you can - ES2011c D FEE044 3 655.398 656.643 655.67 656.59 Yeah . 656.59 ES2011c B FEE042 1 656.528 662.464 656.55 662.42 They have to r wheel really fast . But I think the wheel goes through like a hundred channels , at least on theirs . 658.93 661.13 662.42 ES2011c A FEE041 0 657.744 659.008 657.76 659.008 Yeah . 658.84 ES2011c C FEE043 2 660.416 661.304 660.44 661.03 Yeah . 661.03 ES2011c D FEE044 3 660.358 661.986 660.46 661.77 Yeah , yeah , yeah . 660.76 661.08 661.77 ES2011c C FEE043 2 662.528 672.192 662.55 672.192 Yeah if you do , it w so it would have to be you I mean so you basically just kinda need to figure out like what kind of , you know , range we need to have on the wheel , and um 663.38 668.26 668.81 670.83 ES2011c C FEE043 2 673.28 684.64 673.31 683.97 So you're either you're you know , th you're either doing this motion to like control the channels or like once once you stop that , you know , you can like tap for , um , different 675.02 680.3 680.53 683.09 683.42 ES2011c A FEE041 0 683.048 683.973 683.24 683.81 Yeah . 683.81 ES2011c C FEE043 2 685.84 694.328 685.91 694.24 uh , whatchamacallits , different um , you know , functions like volume or , like you can tap just to get to different channels . 686.9 687.52 689.33 689.76 690.95 694.24 ES2011c C FEE043 2 695.856 699.888 695.92 699.83 Like if you just wanted to go to like from five to six you could tap or someth - ES2011c A FEE041 0 699.713 700.561 699.93 700.31 Right . 700.31 ES2011c C FEE043 2 700.992 719.12 701.01 719.12 And then there's also the concern about you know um how do you get to the menu if you wanna change the brightness of your television , or if you want to um you know switch around , I don't know , like , these different modes like turn on the timer or like something something like that , like 708.28 713.33 713.86 714.17 718.67 ES2011c A FEE041 0 716.23 717.092 716.46 716.73 Yeah - ES2011c A FEE041 0 718.425 726.6 718.68 726.6 I mean with that many options , you'd uh I'd think that the screen would be better , because you could have that menu option , sort of 720.0 722.96 725.88 ES2011c C FEE043 2 723.2 724.816 723.22 724.816 I would think so too , like 724.25 ES2011c C FEE043 2 726.16 741.755 726.18 741.6 So I mean and it seems it w it does seem a little silly to have this screen if you hardly are ever using it , you know , because but then again it would it does make kind of if the screen's sort of just like an option that , like , is just there and you're not really using it , that's kind of m yeah . 731.21 731.43 736.31 737.04 738.73 741.6 ES2011c A FEE041 0 731.825 732.532 731.94 732.29 Yeah . 732.29 ES2011c A FEE041 0 739.152 739.615 739.17 739.54 Yeah . 739.54 ES2011c B FEE042 1 739.664 749.712 739.79 749.64 It's more expensive according to the design people . You have to get a an advanced chip if you wanna have a screen in , which is more expensive than the regular chip , which is more expensive than the minimal . 743.14 746.16 747.67 749.64 ES2011c A FEE041 0 741.57 743.187 741.75 743.187 Uh . 743.07 ES2011c C FEE043 2 742.448 744.399 742.47 743.74 Yeah , that's the only thing though . 742.85 743.74 ES2011c C FEE043 2 749.04 755.984 749.06 755.984 Yeah . So then basically it has to have some way to get to get to a mode on the television where you're doing , um 749.85 754.97 ES2011c A FEE041 0 750.162 750.788 750.42 750.75 Mm . 750.75 ES2011c C FEE043 2 757.264 759.424 757.264 759.424 You can get to you know , you can 758.93 ES2011c C FEE043 2 760.416 771.744 760.44 771.59 Like maybe it'll be that central button that , like , then you hit that and then you can it brings up like the menu on the T_V_ and you can just scroll around , like , to do the timer , to do the yeah , yeah . 763.27 763.81 768.3 769.05 769.95 771.14 771.59 ES2011c D FEE044 3 762.752 763.961 762.77 763.87 Yeah , yeah , yeah . 763.12 763.3 763.87 ES2011c B FEE042 1 763.246 763.888 763.34 763.76 Mm-hmm . 763.76 ES2011c A FEE041 0 763.654 764.221 763.83 763.97 Mm . 763.97 ES2011c D FEE044 3 766.832 767.51 766.88 767.38 Yeah . 767.38 ES2011c A FEE041 0 767.25 771.171 767.4 771.04 Yeah . So the T_V_ is the screen , that yeah 768.17 770.38 ES2011c A FEE041 0 771.776 775.008 771.8 774.97 So it would have all these different options of changing - ES2011c C FEE043 2 773.76 778.04 773.78 777.81 Yeah . But the remote itself isn't really cluttered up . 775.39 777.81 ES2011c A FEE041 0 775.573 776.424 775.96 776.424 to - ES2011c D FEE044 3 776.358 778.467 776.87 778.35 Look it even has settings . 778.35 ES2011c A FEE041 0 777.808 778.192 777.87 778.16 Okay . 778.16 ES2011c C FEE043 2 779.488 797.232 779.51 797.09 Hmm ? Yeah , well we don't want the screen I guess , but um 'cause that just it does seem like , it that would be , like , incredibly expensive , but I dunno , and then so , it just im really all you need is , like , this little wheel then , and you can control everything . 781.45 782.19 783.85 787.44 788.07 788.24 789.14 790.47 792.32 794.09 794.3 795.84 797.09 ES2011c D FEE044 3 779.172 784.758 779.53 784.758 On the you can just take theirs and just - ES2011c A FEE041 0 780.032 780.24 780.05 780.21 Yeah . 780.21 ES2011c A FEE041 0 781.788 782.861 782.19 782.39 Yeah . 782.39 ES2011c C FEE043 2 798.272 799.024 798.32 799.024 So - ES2011c A FEE041 0 802.16 804.64 802.22 804.61 Um , right . 804.34 804.61 ES2011c A FEE041 0 805.968 824.816 805.99 824.816 What if I mean , if you're thinking of the design of it now , like the a you know , physical attributes , um , and you just have this , it's like just a long silver thing , or whatever we're thinking . I mean are you you gonna have any buttons on that besides power and this thing ? Or 807.4 809.22 811.07 812.71 813.48 815.44 818.06 819.77 824.19 ES2011c C FEE043 2 810.96 812.576 812.03 812.38 Yeah . 812.38 ES2011c C FEE043 2 825.104 834.654 825.12 834.56 It doesn't seem that you would need anything besides pow I mean and the power button could even be like hold down the menu button for like longer than one second and it turns on the T_V_ . 834.56 ES2011c A FEE041 0 831.296 831.664 831.32 831.63 Yeah . 831.63 ES2011c A FEE041 0 834.289 841.896 834.74 841.8 So can we imagine that this would be smaller than the remote controls that you showed us before . I mean okay . 840.02 841.8 ES2011c C FEE043 2 839.088 843.744 840.02 843.63 Yeah . Yeah definitely . Like , I think we're looking at something that could be , like 840.53 841.25 841.46 843.31 ES2011c C FEE043 2 844.96 856.192 844.98 856.192 like even maybe like a cir I'm f I'm seeing almost like a circular sort of like handheld like thing . I mean it it needs to be easy to somehow it needs to be easy to like manipulate and use your 850.28 ES2011c D FEE044 3 849.722 852.052 850.08 851.84 Yeah but should be comfortable . 851.84 ES2011c A FEE041 0 850.24 852.756 850.69 852.45 Yeah . Yeah . 852.05 852.45 ES2011c B FEE042 1 850.478 851.872 850.93 851.21 Yeah . 851.21 ES2011c A FEE041 0 856.432 856.784 856.45 856.75 Yeah . 856.75 ES2011c C FEE043 2 857.296 859.12 857.32 859.12 I mean how do how do I'm not really - ES2011c C FEE043 2 861.216 867.76 861.24 867.76 Like when I use an iPod , I end up just kind of using my index finger to like control it . So 862.35 867.28 ES2011c A FEE041 0 866.848 870.327 866.87 870.05 Yeah , I've seen some people just going like that with their thumb , yeah . 867.15 869.7 870.05 ES2011c C FEE043 2 868.532 871.032 868.532 871.032 Yeah . Or your thumb or something . So 869.15 870.4 ES2011c D FEE044 3 868.58 871.15 868.97 870.61 Yeah I use it like that . 870.61 ES2011c B FEE042 1 870.336 875.209 870.36 875.17 W when we had the wheely remote control , we it was on the top I think , if you held it like that . 872.49 873.92 875.17 ES2011c A FEE041 0 874.598 875.12 874.74 875.09 Yeah . 875.09 ES2011c C FEE043 2 875.104 877.824 875.12 877.824 Yeah . Yeah , so 876.8 877.03 ES2011c D FEE044 3 875.181 875.797 875.25 875.73 Yeah . 875.73 ES2011c A FEE041 0 876.664 878.72 876.88 878.69 But , were there buttons on there as well ? 877.25 878.69 ES2011c B FEE042 1 878.704 884.656 878.72 884.2 Yeah well it had the wheely thing and then it had those eighteen different buttons that I don't know what they do . So we just used the top part . 882.74 884.2 ES2011c A FEE041 0 881.399 883.544 881.63 883.27 Mm . Yeah . 882.67 883.27 ES2011c C FEE043 2 882.566 883.744 882.7 883.5 Mm yeah . 883.5 ES2011c A FEE041 0 884.576 885.104 884.6 885.06 Yeah . 885.06 ES2011c C FEE043 2 884.944 890.32 885.04 890.29 Yeah , so but I mean I think it could be pretty small . Like , I d I mean , you you want it to be large enough that 885.35 887.76 887.95 888.42 ES2011c D FEE044 3 885.041 885.575 885.13 885.43 Uh . 885.43 ES2011c C FEE043 2 891.36 892.944 891.57 892.944 you can - ES2011c A FEE041 0 891.376 910.608 892.13 910.57 What if , um , you had like a b a cover that went over buttons that you don't use very much ? Like you so you could slide it up if you needed to like change the contrast or something like that ? So the options are there but they're not in interfering with the design and the practicality of it . 893.24 893.87 898.73 903.98 910.57 ES2011c C FEE043 2 911.92 913.615 912.13 913.615 But can't you just get - ES2011c A FEE041 0 912.42 915.232 912.65 915.232 Do do you know what I'm talking about though ? Like , uh , yeah just something 913.81 914.03 914.2 ES2011c B FEE042 1 913.408 918.784 913.43 918.784 Yeah . Yeah like maybe something on the side where you slip a panel down and it's got a whole bunch of 914.51 ES2011c C FEE043 2 914.677 915.24 914.86 914.94 K - ES2011c D FEE044 3 915.195 918.487 915.89 918.34 Well you can have it on the settings , no ? 917.43 918.34 ES2011c A FEE041 0 916.496 919.113 916.52 918.75 Yeah , that you can flip over , yeah , yeah . 916.98 917.91 918.53 918.75 ES2011c C FEE043 2 917.952 927.696 917.97 927.66 Yeah , But , I mean , do you need that ? If if you can get to , you know if so long as you're able to bring up the menu on the T_V_ screen . That keeps it 918.71 918.84 919.02 919.89 922.28 927.09 ES2011c A FEE041 0 925.832 931.664 926.01 931.664 Yeah I mean I guess that's the thing is is if w I if we can do this , that'd probably be 930.01 ES2011c B FEE042 1 926.784 927.386 926.8 927.27 Yeah . 927.27 ES2011c C FEE043 2 928.688 929.36 928.71 929.36 really - ES2011c C FEE043 2 931.024 935.424 931.04 935.424 Yeah . Uh you wouldn't I don't I just don't think you would even need it . So 931.89 934.64 ES2011c A FEE041 0 933.808 934.592 933.83 934.56 Yeah , yeah . 934.33 934.56 ES2011c A FEE041 0 935.609 946.078 935.86 945.84 So I guess we have to look into the , um , like , the programming , how this how they actually programme these things , and if that's yeah . 939.38 940.08 941.26 941.96 944.08 945.84 ES2011c C FEE043 2 935.837 936.872 936.04 936.872 Mean - ES2011c B FEE042 1 943.984 946.656 944.02 945.82 Oh how they make the menu show up on the T_V_ ? 945.82 ES2011c C FEE043 2 947.264 951.059 947.28 950.99 I mean you can do it , you it's it doesn't seem that hard . 948.84 950.99 ES2011c B FEE042 1 947.243 953.024 947.39 952.97 I don't know . I believe it's ins it's gotta be inside the T_V_ , not inside the remote . 949.18 951.31 952.97 ES2011c A FEE041 0 947.693 950.702 947.77 950.702 I mean it would y would that would be - ES2011c D FEE044 3 946.921 949.749 947.95 949.25 They already do it . 949.25 ES2011c C FEE043 2 953.776 958.496 953.8 958.496 I mean I've never bought a remote . It sounds like this remote's going to be purchased separately from the television , which is a little 954.95 957.83 ES2011c B FEE042 1 954.091 955.386 954.45 955.27 I'm not sure . 955.27 ES2011c B FEE042 1 957.888 959.792 957.98 959.792 Well they usually are . Well 959.17 ES2011c C FEE043 2 959.68 963.68 959.74 963.68 My I've never bought just a remote , like , so I don't I don't really know . But um 961.21 961.67 962.79 ES2011c D FEE044 3 961.687 962.466 961.72 962.16 No . 962.16 ES2011c A FEE041 0 962.352 962.958 962.51 962.78 Huh . 962.78 ES2011c B FEE042 1 963.632 966.815 963.65 966.815 I guess that's right . It always comes with the T_V_ . 964.4 966.66 ES2011c C FEE043 2 966.077 979.776 966.22 979.7 So , um but I mean it's I've never had a hard time with like my remotes , like bringing up the menu screen if you need to like change the date or whatever , you know . And I don't think that should uh that should be too hard . 967.25 971.12 976.19 976.57 979.7 ES2011c B FEE042 1 979.696 989.264 979.72 989.23 Yeah , it most of the ones we've had have had the menu button , 'cause it's not like you need to have a button access to like change the contrast or something . 'Cause it just doesn't come up every day or something . 979.96 982.62 986.92 989.23 ES2011c C FEE043 2 986.544 987.312 986.56 986.91 Yeah . 986.91 ES2011c C FEE043 2 989.184 991.52 989.2 991.52 Yeah . Well so 990.55 ES2011c C FEE043 2 993.264 1005.036 993.28 1004.73 So , do we need I dunno . Well I guess we have to you know think about But I mean you just basically need the output signal you know to be able to bring it up . That's what it does anyway . 993.6 995.72 1003.89 1004.73 ES2011c B FEE042 1 1001.12 1001.61 1001.15 1001.49 Mm-hmm . 1001.49 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1001.613 1003.871 1001.75 1003.69 Yeah . Okay . 1003.36 1003.69 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1003.982 1020.656 1004.64 1020.656 But also if you have it on the screen you can actually write everything out , because the problem with buttons is you like , they have these sort of abbreviations and codes that you're supposed to understand , and I never get it . Never ever . So 1008.02 1010.59 1016.67 1017.99 1019.68 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1013.38 1014.71 1014.02 1014.68 Yeah . 1014.68 ES2011c B FEE042 1 1014.342 1015.376 1014.44 1015.376 Yeah . 1014.96 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1014.553 1018.559 1014.7 1018.41 Yeah , you don't know they mean , yeah , it's like yeah . 1015.89 1016.71 1017.07 1018.41 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1017.84 1018.912 1017.86 1018.36 Yeah . 1018.36 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1019.968 1041.632 1019.99 1041.59 So , but oh , you mean if we have this screen like the iPod screen ? On the telly , okay , yeah . So yeah I think , I mean , I think I think the touch-based graphical interface is a really uh cool idea because you know it is so obnoxious to like have to push those like okay now I hit this you know , you have your little guide out and you're like , hit this button twice , like to activate the date . 1020.79 1021.21 1024.72 1025.2 1025.45 1025.98 1026.76 1027.02 1036.92 1038.09 1039.1 1041.59 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1023.424 1025.106 1023.62 1024.78 Well on the telly . 1024.78 ES2011c B FEE042 1 1024.208 1025.888 1024.23 1025.83 Or on the T_V_ too . 1025.83 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1038.837 1044.432 1039.26 1044.432 Mm . And it is technologically innovative in a way , so that fits with the 1040.3 1042.82 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1039.768 1040.414 1039.88 1040.37 Mm . 1040.37 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1042.889 1048.678 1043.03 1048.678 Yeah . I guess . And it is trendy , the iPods are really hot right now , so 1043.42 1045.02 1045.82 1048.14 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1045.187 1045.924 1045.56 1045.59 B - ES2011c A FEE041 0 1046.992 1047.248 1047.01 1047.19 Yeah . 1047.19 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1047.943 1052.9 1047.98 1052.39 Did you did you get that pc picture on did they provide you with that picture on the web ? 1052.39 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1051.664 1055.863 1051.68 1055.863 Um , yeah , by web research , yeah , so 1053.21 1053.51 1054.68 1055.25 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1055.176 1057.174 1055.69 1056.79 That's quite interesting . 1056.79 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1058.144 1064.708 1058.16 1064.708 What are we going to do about this vegetable thing that I'm dreading ? 1064.62 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1061.199 1063.622 1061.32 1063.622 Oh god . 1063.08 ES2011c B FEE042 1 1061.424 1073.888 1061.424 1073.48 Oh , I was gonna say . You said uh people want spongy . Um , one of your one of the material options is a sort of rubber that's in like those stress ball things . So , that would be spongy . 1063.02 1063.71 1066.21 1066.53 1071.68 1072.65 1073.48 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1061.366 1062.447 1061.59 1062.19 Oh . 1062.19 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1066.23 1067.09 1066.33 1066.62 Yeah . 1066.62 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1066.464 1067.553 1066.48 1067.04 Yeah . 1067.04 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1071.504 1075.804 1071.84 1075.804 Oh , okay , that would be cool . Mm . 1072.01 1072.26 1074.26 1075.67 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1071.87 1074.405 1072.39 1074.07 Yeah . Yeah . 1073.74 1074.07 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1072.448 1074.332 1072.47 1074.14 Ah . Yeah . 1073.38 1074.14 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1075.298 1078.098 1075.4 1077.94 Just nice feel , but I hate spongy . 1076.57 1077.94 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1077.888 1092.416 1077.91 1092.416 Yeah , c that's e that would be kind of oh , you know , usually like the touch pad things are kind of a hard plastic typ mouse type , you know , thing . But what if we ha what if we had like a spongy sort of like stress balley kinda so you're like 1078.14 1080.0 1080.3 1083.93 1084.29 1085.0 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1078.326 1079.376 1078.39 1078.68 Yeah . 1078.68 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1083.52 1083.92 1083.54 1083.89 Yeah . 1083.89 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1085.161 1087.116 1085.28 1086.92 I mean definitely the area round it . 1086.92 ES2011c B FEE042 1 1092.336 1093.488 1092.36 1093.2 Yeah I think it could work . 1093.2 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1093.408 1103.936 1093.44 1103.78 Or what if we integrated the the uh the f what if the whole thing about the fruit and vegetables we somehow made it tactilely fash you know , we c tapped into that , so like it feels like 1101.58 1102.65 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1093.452 1094.074 1093.54 1093.78 Yeah . 1093.78 ES2011c B FEE042 1 1104.112 1108.144 1104.112 1108.11 Don't think I'd want it to feel like a banana . 1108.11 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1104.419 1108.96 1104.9 1108.93 Well it could be like mobiles that just you just put a cover . 1108.93 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1104.909 1108.006 1104.94 1108.006 a vegetable . 1107.25 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1105.278 1108.215 1105.46 1108.215 An orange . 1107.95 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1109.568 1110.288 1109.568 1110.22 Yeah . 1110.22 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1109.691 1128.408 1110.01 1127.86 If it's a small thing , you c instead of creating an object for it that looks like a banana , which frankly I'm not particularly fond of , um you could just have covers and then your mobile f it's like a mobile phone thing . You know you had there was a time when they had all these different covers for mobiles . 1111.56 1115.78 1118.51 1123.85 1127.86 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1124.006 1125.136 1124.16 1125.1 Yeah . 1125.1 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1124.241 1124.973 1124.38 1124.88 Yeah . 1124.88 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1126.576 1127.779 1126.65 1127.61 Yeah . 1127.61 ES2011c B FEE042 1 1126.7 1134.767 1126.89 1134.62 You could do like the computers where they have like the grapefruit , apple machine and they have like the blueberry , like all the colours are named after fruits . 1130.16 1132.68 1134.62 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1132.028 1133.619 1132.62 1133.5 Yeah , yeah , yeah . 1132.87 1133.39 1133.5 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1132.544 1135.203 1132.94 1135.1 Yeah . Yeah . 1134.37 1135.1 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1134.288 1138.656 1134.34 1138.656 Yeah . You could name it after fruits and vegetables , or 1134.93 1137.25 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1134.583 1135.508 1134.73 1135.08 Yeah . 1135.08 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1137.118 1145.981 1137.19 1145.55 And it could the colour can fit your sitting room , so if you have red sitting room you can have strawberry , and then if you have a green one you can have well I don't know . Um . 1139.47 1142.58 1145.49 1145.55 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1145.134 1145.872 1145.29 1145.81 Yeah . 1145.81 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1146.379 1177.024 1146.86 1177.024 So what if what this is I'm just forming this idea in my head of how this thing is looking . If you have like that stress ball material kind of as what you're actually holding in your hand , so like what you're feeling is comfortable , and then there's more of a hard plastic thing where that thing is . And on that hard plastic thing you can change either the colour or the fruit or vegetable that's on there . Is that kind of I 'cause I I'm thinking of silver because those are our company colours . Um 1152.88 1157.82 1159.92 1164.29 1171.7 1176.49 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1146.814 1149.047 1147.07 1148.89 So I think yeah , colours . 1148.04 1148.89 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1161.423 1162.496 1161.67 1162.08 Yeah . 1162.08 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1163.376 1164.352 1163.4 1164.32 Yeah . 1164.32 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1171.328 1172.096 1171.39 1172.01 Yeah . 1172.01 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1175.6 1181.904 1175.62 1181.904 Yeah . Unfortunately they don't have silver fruits and vegetables . I do I dunno . Um 1177.19 1180.07 1181.02 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1184.56 1191.216 1184.58 1191.216 I mean how are you how are you all envisioning by what we've just the feedback we've just got about the - ES2011c D FEE044 3 1191.488 1193.023 1191.52 1192.61 Maybe a ball . 1192.61 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1193.712 1194.32 1193.73 1194.28 A ball ? 1194.28 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1195.747 1201.206 1196.29 1201.03 Know , a squashy ball . A relaxing squashy ball . 1196.45 1198.98 1201.03 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1201.844 1217.536 1201.844 1217.5 That you can p well I see you're thinking , it's weird , you're thinking the opposite of me 'cause you're thinking you change the the hard bit and I'm thinking how do you change the hard would you put a um 1208.25 1208.73 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1202.512 1206.126 1202.54 1206.126 That's in the shape of a fruit , like a 1205.01 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1212.592 1213.024 1212.61 1212.99 Yeah . 1212.99 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1218.168 1224.311 1218.38 1224.311 sticker sort of ? Because I was thinking if you have a cover for the squashy bit , like a 1219.89 1222.42 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1224.953 1226.396 1225.33 1226.396 This is just - ES2011c A FEE041 0 1227.12 1231.555 1227.15 1231.42 Okay . Say that's the s say that's the squashy bit . Squashy . 1228.07 1230.34 1231.42 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1227.926 1229.732 1228.06 1229.66 Oh , okay , yeah . 1228.33 1229.14 1229.66 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1230.768 1233.623 1230.79 1233.623 Yeah I was thinking of getting a cover for - ES2011c A FEE041 0 1234.016 1251.557 1234.04 1251.557 That see I was thinking this s sorry I was thinking this bit here would be the cover and like that's your actual thing . And like this you could have like you could have like cherries and things around there . Um but 1244.17 1250.33 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1234.988 1238.889 1235.24 1238.51 Which is cheaper . Well I don't know if it's cheaper actually . 1236.51 1238.51 ES2011c B FEE042 1 1237.259 1238.235 1237.47 1238.14 Oh . Mm . 1237.92 1238.14 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1243.029 1246.393 1243.53 1246.28 Yeah . Oh I like that shape . 1244.85 1246.28 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1247.312 1248.225 1247.4 1248.11 Yeah . 1248.11 ES2011c B FEE042 1 1250.528 1256.64 1250.55 1256.64 I was thinking sort of a single ball shape . So you're holding a squishy ball and then it has a 1254.07 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1253.269 1255.056 1253.269 1254.19 Yeah . 1254.19 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1253.488 1259.112 1253.51 1259.112 I was thinking if it was like this 'cause the way you were describing the the iPod and the thi the roll thingy - ES2011c C FEE043 2 1258.928 1261.456 1258.95 1261.08 It's like it has to be s yeah . 1261.08 ES2011c B FEE042 1 1259.027 1259.744 1259.25 1259.57 Mm-hmm . 1259.57 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1260.077 1264.852 1260.16 1264.852 It's almost like your thumb is farther up , so if if you could squish it lower then 1261.9 ES2011c B FEE042 1 1262.784 1263.552 1262.8 1263.42 Yeah I guess so . 1263.42 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1263.968 1264.8 1263.99 1264.75 Yeah . 1264.75 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1264.381 1272.15 1264.4 1271.85 Yeah . So it wouldn't be very big in either like how big ? This big , and then you just do that , I suppose . 1265.69 1268.56 1269.22 1271.26 1271.85 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1270.607 1286.609 1270.81 1286.53 What if , yeah , what if the squishy , oh so so you're saying the squishy part's like detachable , and you can so so maybe one you know you can have like the broccoli squishy thing , and then you could have like the banana squishy thing and you could get you could have your choice , you know ? 1271.21 1271.46 1272.35 1275.13 1281.53 1286.09 1286.53 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1270.71 1272.338 1270.92 1272.27 Yeah , I know what you meant , yeah . 1271.24 1271.92 1272.27 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1286.084 1310.448 1286.23 1310.448 Well just a li I can't des like condom thingy , like a a cover . But well the question is , which one's easiest to change and we can just contact our relevant department for that , and just see what the cost is for covering that or covering that , and for now we can do two prototypes maybe and then hi try and ask users what the best is , and 1290.25 1293.2 1295.0 1300.5 1303.97 1310.1 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1297.088 1297.542 1297.11 1297.5 Yeah . 1297.5 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1300.528 1301.792 1300.55 1301.68 Yeah . 1301.68 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1303.118 1305.28 1303.31 1304.61 Yeah , yeah . 1303.78 1304.61 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1303.769 1304.239 1303.84 1304.05 Mm . 1304.05 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1307.2 1308.128 1307.22 1307.64 Yeah . 1307.64 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1308.91 1309.36 1309.08 1309.32 Okay . 1309.32 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1311.168 1312.672 1311.19 1312.61 Yeah . Okay . 1312.32 1312.61 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1311.312 1314.096 1311.33 1314.0 Yeah . Oh . 1313.34 1314.0 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1311.936 1312.272 1311.97 1312.24 No . 1312.24 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1313.658 1318.352 1313.82 1318.31 Um . That's nicer . I think it's nicer to have a drawing 'cause it's neater . 1314.36 1315.15 1318.31 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1315.808 1316.864 1315.88 1316.76 Yeah . 1316.76 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1318.768 1319.008 1318.79 1318.96 Hmm . 1318.96 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1319.904 1320.867 1319.97 1320.66 Um . 1320.66 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1320.368 1322.288 1320.39 1322.288 Well that's not very neat , but 1321.45 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1322.256 1328.288 1322.29 1328.288 Yeah . I mean I think uh and I think the handhe I think the handheld part is definitely 1322.94 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1329.6 1331.344 1329.62 1331.25 So you could make that - ES2011c C FEE043 2 1332.336 1334.032 1332.36 1333.74 into the fruit and vegetable part . 1333.74 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1333.968 1338.576 1333.99 1338.576 If it's a bit like those juggling balls , you can change shape according to your 1336.0 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1339.353 1347.158 1339.47 1346.75 to the way you hold it . If it's got sand in it maybe , or something , you it it just moulds to your hand . 1340.6 1342.31 1343.88 1346.75 ES2011c B FEE042 1 1340.038 1341.859 1340.11 1341.68 Yeah you could squish it . 1341.68 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1340.56 1340.896 1340.6 1340.86 Mm-hmm . 1340.86 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1343.44 1343.728 1343.46 1343.69 Yeah . 1343.69 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1346.32 1349.904 1346.34 1349.86 Yeah . So where are the fruit and vegetables now ? 1348.04 1349.86 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1350.319 1352.805 1350.55 1352.805 We we don't know . 1352.62 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1350.58 1351.691 1350.75 1351.43 Fruits and veg . 1351.43 ES2011c B FEE042 1 1350.934 1357.136 1351.16 1357.08 I guess they would be either in the colour of that plastic face on the front , or in the colour of the squishy thing underneath . 1354.93 1357.08 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1353.952 1355.156 1354.12 1354.69 Yeah . 1354.69 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1354.441 1354.948 1354.52 1354.82 Yeah . 1354.82 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1356.654 1357.185 1356.72 1357.11 Yeah . 1357.11 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1357.104 1358.224 1357.65 1358.02 Yeah . 1358.02 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1358.24 1362.016 1358.26 1361.97 And the rest is the company the company colour's silver ? 1361.97 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1362.24 1366.986 1362.26 1366.986 It was , yeah , silver and yellow . It l it looks like I don't 1362.73 1363.08 1364.26 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1366.4 1371.76 1366.67 1371.61 We could promote the banana one . Like mm . 1370.0 1371.61 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1367.126 1367.813 1367.2 1367.69 Okay . 1367.69 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1368.627 1369.84 1368.91 1369.84 Yeah . 1369.69 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1372.336 1376.992 1372.36 1376.96 I mean that's another question , where are we gonna we we should have the logo somewhere on it . 1373.53 1376.96 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1376.944 1377.92 1377.35 1377.71 Mm . 1377.71 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1377.239 1380.998 1377.36 1380.998 Mm-hmm . Should also fit the batteries , which we haven't 1378.57 1380.11 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1381.2 1381.872 1381.35 1381.84 Oh yeah . 1381.84 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1381.248 1381.858 1381.37 1381.72 Yeah . 1381.72 ES2011c B FEE042 1 1381.65 1384.37 1381.79 1384.21 I think the batteries would have to go right under the plastic case . 1384.21 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1383.744 1386.555 1383.76 1386.555 Yeah , th and that would that 1384.43 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1384.24 1385.104 1384.26 1385.06 Yeah . 1385.06 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1385.024 1385.52 1385.04 1385.49 Okay . 1385.49 ES2011c B FEE042 1 1385.491 1392.079 1385.59 1391.95 Especially if you're switching out the squishy part . Then you need to have the other part just be sort of a single unit that you can snap off . 1387.85 1391.95 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1391.355 1392.539 1391.92 1392.31 Mm-hmm . 1392.31 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1392.316 1392.83 1392.42 1392.71 Mm-hmm . 1392.71 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1393.735 1395.714 1393.95 1395.56 Yeah , I think , um 1394.29 1394.76 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1399.424 1402.144 1399.44 1401.9 it'd be interesting to have the b the squishy bit . 1401.9 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1403.232 1412.205 1403.29 1412.205 The part that you , yeah , can change into the different , you know , trendy vegetables and fruits . But uh it 1404.18 1404.42 1406.11 1407.09 1409.6 ES2011c B FEE042 1 1411.584 1417.264 1411.62 1417.22 Well I dunno . You'd spend so much time like squishing it to your own personal hand . Then you'd get a new one and you'd have to do it all over again . 1412.0 1415.32 1417.22 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1416.952 1417.984 1417.21 1417.86 Yeah . 1417.86 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1418.118 1423.346 1418.55 1423.24 No but it does it automatically . Does it automatically ? I don't know . 1421.54 1422.75 1423.24 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1422.032 1422.512 1422.06 1422.48 Yeah . 1422.48 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1423.328 1441.44 1423.38 1441.41 I don't know what the rest of my notes mean because they were made for me . But if someone components concept . Question mark . Energy . Question mark . Was that you ? Okay . Oh right right . Yeah . Um , so what d but what do we know about 1429.6 1433.1 1433.99 1434.69 1435.79 1436.88 1437.15 1437.83 1439.1 1439.64 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1429.142 1430.327 1429.26 1430.11 Okay . 1430.11 ES2011c B FEE042 1 1434.541 1435.695 1434.77 1435.25 That was me . 1435.25 ES2011c B FEE042 1 1436.361 1436.936 1436.38 1436.68 Yes . 1436.68 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1442.56 1445.451 1442.58 1445.451 energy ? I mean we're gonna use batteries right ? And 1443.17 1444.96 ES2011c B FEE042 1 1444.688 1452.892 1444.71 1452.86 Uh we actually had an option of batteries , solar power , and um a dynamo , which is something I don't know what it is . Something to do with torches . 1446.66 1447.83 1450.33 1451.65 1452.86 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1451.776 1463.721 1451.8 1463.44 Oh , a dynamo is ah , it's a bicycle . It's a bicycle mechanism . It's the en it's like if if something moves , when it moves , it stores energy . 1451.94 1454.12 1455.14 1456.6 1460.53 1461.57 1463.44 ES2011c B FEE042 1 1460.24 1477.728 1460.5 1477.69 Oh okay . Yeah , the other one was the other one was a kinetic thing where you'd basically have to wind it yourself . So I sort of picked battery . We could have talked about doing a wind-up or a dynamo or a solar power . Um but I think solar power's not available with the rubber case anyways . 1461.55 1461.72 1467.07 1469.2 1474.87 1477.69 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1466.68 1468.825 1467.43 1468.68 It's quite sweet . 1468.68 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1478.32 1483.407 1478.34 1483.407 I think batteries sound good . What does everyone else think ? 1480.03 1483.28 ES2011c B FEE042 1 1478.612 1483.552 1478.68 1483.5 It it seems a little weird for a living room anyways . 1483.5 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1479.854 1482.928 1479.854 1482.66 The dynamo would be interesting . 1482.66 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1480.074 1489.971 1480.32 1489.92 No . But dynamo the the fact with dynamo is , the moment you move it , it c it creates energy on its own . 1482.2 1485.32 1486.78 1489.92 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1490.144 1491.008 1490.18 1490.97 Oh . 1490.97 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1490.334 1492.937 1490.51 1492.937 What about Kryptonite ? 1492.7 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1490.864 1499.728 1490.88 1499.69 Which is quite cool . So if you throw it , it's gonna store loads of energy , and you don't need to buy a battery 'cause they're quite f I find them annoying . But we need to find cost . 1491.53 1492.39 1493.83 1497.79 1499.69 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1499.808 1500.144 1499.83 1500.11 Yeah . 1500.11 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1502.17 1503.514 1502.24 1503.32 Don't know the cost . 1503.32 ES2011c B FEE042 1 1505.056 1506.714 1505.08 1506.714 Didn't have enough data to actually - ES2011c D FEE044 3 1504.998 1508.655 1505.28 1508.48 Does anyone have costs on the on the web ? 1508.48 ES2011c B FEE042 1 1507.712 1515.968 1507.73 1515.92 All it said was it gave sort of relative , some chips are more expensive than others , sort of things . It didn't give me any actual cost . 1510.61 1512.31 1513.1 1515.92 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1514.352 1515.446 1514.37 1515.13 Okay . 1515.13 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1516.352 1516.768 1516.37 1516.68 Right . 1516.68 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1517.2 1517.552 1517.35 1517.52 Hmm . 1517.52 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1517.315 1517.855 1517.39 1517.75 Mm . 1517.75 ES2011c B FEE042 1 1518.046 1522.512 1518.57 1522.48 Most of the stuff is pretty cheap though bought in bulk . So I don't think it's that much of a problem . 1520.6 1522.48 ES2011c B FEE042 1 1524.667 1527.376 1524.91 1527.33 Like the chip is probably the most expensive part . 1527.33 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1528.256 1529.952 1528.28 1529.81 What does chip on print mean ? 1529.81 ES2011c B FEE042 1 1530.4 1545.104 1530.42 1544.71 Um , for things like remote controls , um , they stamp out a chip , calculators too I think . Um , so you can mass produce 'em pretty cheap . But it's not like a computer , you can't like reprogramme your remo remote controls , it's like stamped onto the chip . 1531.58 1533.13 1534.38 1535.92 1537.71 1537.99 1540.38 1541.38 1543.45 1544.71 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1535.712 1536.016 1535.73 1535.97 Uh-huh . 1535.97 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1539.872 1540.256 1539.89 1540.22 Okay . 1540.22 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1543.584 1543.888 1543.6 1543.81 Right . 1543.81 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1545.136 1554.0 1545.17 1553.91 So , chip on print is just means like that they're mass-produced . Okay . And case ? Uh I guess that's what we've been talking about , yeah . Casing . Yeah . 1545.84 1548.85 1550.13 1551.5 1552.81 1553.07 1553.78 1553.91 ES2011c B FEE042 1 1547.693 1548.581 1547.87 1548.16 Yeah . 1548.16 ES2011c B FEE042 1 1551.713 1553.744 1551.78 1553.66 Case is what we were discussing yeah . 1553.66 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1554.973 1560.592 1554.973 1560.55 thinking of like syntactic case and thi um let's see . 1560.55 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1567.182 1569.632 1567.36 1569.58 Is there anything else we need to - ES2011c C FEE043 2 1570.496 1571.392 1570.65 1571.31 Hmm . 1571.31 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1571.36 1576.816 1571.38 1576.77 talk about ? Oh when we move on , you two are going to be playing with play-dough . 1572.06 1574.16 1576.77 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1577.888 1588.112 1577.91 1587.99 Um , and working on the look and feel of the design and user interface design . And you're gonna be doing protu product evaluation . 1579.84 1584.14 1587.99 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1589.785 1594.016 1589.83 1593.96 So you'll get mm m more instructions from your personal coach . 1593.96 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1593.831 1595.808 1594.21 1595.808 Oh , thank you . 1594.56 1595.34 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1594.602 1594.985 1594.72 1594.91 Mm . 1594.91 ES2011c C FEE043 2 1594.928 1595.952 1594.95 1595.46 Cool . 1595.46 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1595.737 1596.448 1595.76 1596.4 See you soon . 1596.4 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1599.248 1600.784 1599.27 1600.68 Does it matter that I end early ? 1600.68 ES2011c D FEE044 3 1601.53 1603.473 1601.59 1602.68 I it's strange because - ES2011c A FEE041 0 1604.208 1605.552 1604.23 1605.36 How how early is it ? 1605.36 ES2011c A FEE041 0 1609.716 1612.033 1609.78 1611.62 I didn't get a pop-up thing that said - ES2011d A FEE041 0 64.863 65.506 64.98 65.28 'Kay . 65.28 ES2011d A FEE041 0 67.258 68.305 67.57 68.17 Hmm . 68.17 ES2011d A FEE041 0 69.376 75.184 69.49 75.184 Okay everybody . Welcome to the detailed design meeting . Um 70.62 74.03 ES2011d A FEE041 0 76.062 118.816 76.062 118.816 Let's see . Our agenda . Last time we discussed the squishy fruitiness of our remote controls and how we might pursue that . Um and I think looks like we've come up with some ideas . Um and we also talked about materials we'd use and what kind of chip would be necessary . Um so for later in the meeting I've done a a spreadsheet of production costs so we'll take a look at that . Um and see if it's changed at all from when we last discussed it . Um so actually I think 77.08 78.86 87.36 91.6 98.76 107.29 112.93 ES2011d A FEE041 0 121.251 127.783 121.45 127.783 Yeah um f you guys wanna give a prototype presentation of - ES2011d B FEE042 1 129.155 134.845 129.31 134.75 Okay well um . So our design looks something like this . 132.87 134.75 ES2011d B FEE042 1 135.744 147.36 135.77 147.32 This being the wheel that you use to uh change channels or volume or whatever . This is a button , serves as the power button if you hold it down , and if you just tap on it I think it brings up the menu . 140.34 141.1 143.27 147.32 ES2011d B FEE042 1 148.736 170.4 148.82 170.33 And uh the base of the remote control , which has a squishy spongy rubbery feel , is interchangeable . So you can change the colour , according to your to suit your living room or whatever . And it comes yeah , I can change the vegetable . This one's broccoli . So this snaps off and you can put on whichever one you want . This is not to scale 'cause it would have the battery inside it . 151.62 154.09 154.94 156.54 159.6 161.3 163.2 165.11 167.98 170.33 ES2011d C FEE043 2 159.376 162.238 159.62 162.12 You could change the vegetable , or fruit . 161.61 162.12 ES2011d A FEE041 0 161.806 166.149 162.11 166.149 Oh is that broccoli ? 166.0 ES2011d C FEE043 2 163.181 164.36 163.29 164.08 Yeah . 164.08 ES2011d B FEE042 1 171.446 181.141 171.6 181.141 This is a mango . The it's trendy fruit , it's not just ordinary fruits . You don't have orange , you have mango . Um I guess strawberry's not as trendy , but 172.7 173.6 174.81 175.5 177.11 179.51 ES2011d A FEE041 0 178.864 181.392 179.0 181.392 'S a very bright strawberry . 181.11 ES2011d B FEE042 1 181.865 188.72 181.89 188.68 So we'll come up with a variety of trendy and exciting fruit designs for the remote control . 188.68 ES2011d C FEE043 2 189.493 190.604 189.7 190.27 It's been a l - ES2011d B FEE042 1 189.628 193.522 189.74 193.37 And then people will be encouraged to buy three or five of them , because they'll need to switch 'em out . 191.97 193.37 ES2011d C FEE043 2 194.274 224.4 194.61 224.4 It's been a little bit difficult to um make sure that it's hand-holdable , and that the user can use it , you know , it's not too big . Uh but we think that this you know , this size will be okay and we will have to fit the battery case in there somehow . And I guess the only other thing that we really didn't talk about was or design yet actually , would be the um thing the locator . How how so 199.88 202.56 202.8 203.8 207.85 213.21 219.57 223.32 ES2011d B FEE042 1 212.172 213.182 212.42 212.7 Mm-hmm . 212.7 ES2011d A FEE041 0 213.104 213.782 213.13 213.61 Oh yeah . 213.61 ES2011d B FEE042 1 224.192 226.416 224.35 226.33 Well the locator is just chip that's inside there . 226.33 ES2011d C FEE043 2 226.296 227.912 226.35 227.912 Okay so that's just - ES2011d B FEE042 1 227.357 229.949 227.61 229.81 And the beeper's also inside there too somewhere . 229.81 ES2011d C FEE043 2 229.632 233.616 229.65 233.616 So you have to have a button on your on your you have to attach the button to the - ES2011d B FEE042 1 233.69 235.404 233.81 235.36 Yeah we didn't design that . 235.36 ES2011d C FEE043 2 234.579 237.576 234.82 237.28 Yeah we have that that has yes yet to be designed . 237.28 ES2011d B FEE042 1 236.347 238.872 236.45 238.65 But it would be coordinating with that of course . 238.65 ES2011d C FEE043 2 238.316 241.616 238.56 241.58 Yeah that c hey that that could you know match the handset . 241.58 ES2011d A FEE041 0 239.096 239.605 239.22 239.53 Yeah . 239.53 ES2011d B FEE042 1 241.734 242.374 241.88 242.15 Mm-hmm . 242.15 ES2011d C FEE043 2 243.216 246.33 243.24 246.33 You could have a broccoli , or you could have a mango . 244.71 246.24 ES2011d C FEE043 2 247.296 248.821 247.39 248.59 So . Tada . 248.2 248.59 ES2011d A FEE041 0 248.477 249.179 248.58 248.81 Oh . 248.81 ES2011d A FEE041 0 250.57 259.391 250.76 259.16 Um if you wanna look in your project documents folder , there's an Excel spreadsheet . 257.54 259.16 ES2011d A FEE041 0 260.704 291.936 260.83 291.936 Um the only one that's in there , production costs . And if you open it up . Um I've just stuck the numbers in , it was a real challenge there . But if I missed anything that we've gone over , or if you see something that has changed I mean , we decided on batteries , and the regular chip would be necessary for the more advanced iPod-like button . Um 262.91 265.34 267.03 268.93 271.31 274.58 279.88 281.74 290.98 ES2011d A FEE041 0 292.992 299.329 292.992 299.329 I said uncurved or flat . I think that's what you have there , is that right ? For the for the plastic part would be 295.01 296.32 297.26 ES2011d B FEE042 1 298.724 302.461 298.82 302.2 My impression was that flat meant like like one of those square remotes . 302.2 ES2011d B FEE042 1 303.332 312.861 303.51 312.6 But it's really not very clear , because you got single curve and double curve and d I dunno what that means . One side is curved and then the other side is curved . 305.11 310.03 312.6 ES2011d A FEE041 0 303.37 305.289 303.76 305.19 Oh . Okay . 304.48 305.19 ES2011d A FEE041 0 307.141 308.252 307.31 307.89 Right . 307.89 ES2011d A FEE041 0 313.616 318.992 314.06 318.96 Well yeah . If we're talking about the area just oh I d 315.5 ES2011d A FEE041 0 320.4 346.304 320.42 346.22 I dunno . I guess we'd have to contact the company that makes them and see . Um so what else ? There's plastic for that area around the button . Um and then rubber would be the squishy like thing right ? Um and lots of special colours actually . Uh scroll wheel . Do you see anything that I've missed ? 320.75 327.03 328.93 333.14 337.76 343.58 344.81 346.22 ES2011d B FEE042 1 336.313 337.054 336.45 336.74 Mm-hmm . 336.74 ES2011d B FEE042 1 346.926 348.879 347.07 348.79 No I think that's alright . 348.79 ES2011d A FEE041 0 348.792 363.552 348.99 363.5 Okay so that would make our total of eleven point nine , which is even less than twelve point five , which means we'd be making even more of a profit . And if we sold a lot of squishy things . Boo yeah . 353.47 356.22 359.53 362.56 363.5 ES2011d C FEE043 2 361.458 362.3 361.59 361.94 Mm . 361.94 ES2011d A FEE041 0 364.886 366.875 365.5 366.19 Okay . 366.19 ES2011d A FEE041 0 368.597 370.53 368.597 370.5 S - ES2011d A FEE041 0 373.647 375.364 373.73 375.364 So - ES2011d A FEE041 0 377.149 378.495 377.49 378.31 Mm . 378.31 ES2011d A FEE041 0 387.888 390.482 388.13 390.482 Did y what did you work on ? The 389.73 ES2011d D FEE044 3 389.952 395.216 389.99 395.09 Um evaluation criteria . I've got a presentation . 393.3 395.09 ES2011d A FEE041 0 391.997 393.748 392.26 393.748 Okay . Do you wanna 392.96 ES2011d A FEE041 0 395.171 398.1 395.42 398.1 Okay . I think that's 396.61 ES2011d D FEE044 3 396.784 398.905 396.8 398.53 So I need where's the cable ? 398.53 ES2011d D FEE044 3 408.864 416.416 409.28 416.32 Right what happens is we have to um decide whether this this whole - ES2011d D FEE044 3 417.496 425.442 417.69 425.3 this whole project we've been working on actually um meets the standards we were set at the start . 425.3 ES2011d D FEE044 3 426.605 427.817 426.91 427.6 Um . 427.6 ES2011d D FEE044 3 429.03 430.073 429.65 429.93 Right . 429.93 ES2011d D FEE044 3 431.072 454.606 431.09 454.49 This doesn't okay . Um the method is we well I've analysed the user requirements and integrated them to the trends found in marketing reports and in our company strategy marketing . And um the findings were that we need it to look in a certain way , feel in a certain way , and this is everything's listed down . 433.01 445.84 450.85 452.19 454.49 ES2011d D FEE044 3 455.204 480.544 455.29 480.544 Um , look in a certain way , feel in a certain way , it has to be technologically innovative and it has to be easy to use . These are all things we looked at at the start , um and criteria that have to be met . We have to use a table , I'll show you that later , together to decide whether it meets the standards . And we we have therefore in total um 455.59 456.42 458.14 463.3 466.08 468.37 470.45 471.48 475.46 ES2011d D FEE044 3 481.793 500.783 482.02 500.66 We have five we have eleven points according to which this should be evaluated . And um the cri well basically the findings are the same as the evaluation criteria . I would like to show you the table we have to use . Um . 489.79 496.14 499.77 500.66 ES2011d D FEE044 3 501.726 506.465 501.97 506.41 No . This is the table . Can you see this here ? 504.29 505.26 506.41 ES2011d B FEE042 1 506.41 507.319 506.65 507.02 Mm-hmm . 507.02 ES2011d D FEE044 3 507.229 523.12 507.35 523.09 Um so the que the questions I've given you c could you write that down ? True is one and and false is seven . And we'll just go through each point together , hopefully . Um . 512.24 515.19 520.98 522.58 523.09 ES2011d D FEE044 3 526.752 533.376 526.86 533.33 I think if each of us gives an opinion then they can be mixed somehow . I dunno how it works exactly , I haven't been told . 530.6 532.16 533.33 ES2011d C FEE043 2 532.105 536.078 532.21 536.078 Yeah . Is it possible that we can bring this up on our own 533.91 ES2011d D FEE044 3 536.856 539.011 537.22 539.011 Yeah it's in the um - ES2011d D FEE044 3 539.684 541.839 539.95 541.43 it's in the project documents . 541.43 ES2011d C FEE043 2 541.566 544.862 541.74 544.58 Is it meeting three minutes ? No it's not minutes . 543.22 544.58 ES2011d D FEE044 3 543.557 546.317 543.73 546.04 It's called evaluation criteria . 546.04 ES2011d C FEE043 2 545.876 547.29 546.32 546.87 Okay . 546.87 ES2011d D FEE044 3 547.996 549.713 548.26 549.65 And it's - ES2011d D FEE044 3 550.723 552.575 550.93 552.24 under evaluation . 552.24 ES2011d A FEE041 0 552.452 554.641 552.81 554.23 Huh , the PowerPoint one ? 553.07 554.23 ES2011d B FEE042 1 553.587 554.051 553.72 553.92 Hmm ? 553.92 ES2011d D FEE044 3 554.595 555.403 554.72 555.3 Yeah . 555.3 ES2011d C FEE043 2 554.78 556.093 555.04 556.02 Okay . Cool . 555.52 556.02 ES2011d D FEE044 3 556.346 557.861 556.54 557.56 You've found it all ? 557.56 ES2011d A FEE041 0 557.316 558.057 557.51 557.69 Yeah . 557.69 ES2011d D FEE044 3 564.112 565.74 564.27 565.74 So it was um - ES2011d D FEE044 3 567.895 569.238 567.97 569.06 Yeah true's one . 569.06 ES2011d C FEE043 2 574.039 576.093 574.19 575.96 True's one and false is seven . 575.96 ES2011d D FEE044 3 575.512 579.131 575.64 579.02 Do you want us to discuss this together or do you want us to do it singly ? 579.02 ES2011d A FEE041 0 579.213 584.634 579.39 584.37 Um we can do it separately and then discuss it if if that's what people wanna do . 584.37 ES2011d D FEE044 3 581.207 582.1 581.24 582.04 Yeah okay . 582.04 ES2011d C FEE043 2 590.24 592.361 590.47 592.02 So it's actually a scale . 592.02 ES2011d A FEE041 0 592.043 599.956 592.33 599.956 Wait , one is true and so these are the questions we're answering . And one is 592.59 598.8 ES2011d D FEE044 3 594.267 597.196 594.267 596.84 Um , 596.84 ES2011d D FEE044 3 598.368 604.695 598.43 604.58 yes it's if it's fancy you put one , if it's really unfancy it's seven . 601.86 604.58 ES2011d A FEE041 0 600.898 602.649 601.2 602.42 One , right okay . 601.57 602.42 ES2011d A FEE041 0 603.828 608.07 603.99 607.83 If it's somewhere in between you put four . Okay . 607.25 607.83 ES2011d D FEE044 3 605.57 607.422 605.57 607.35 Yeah , something . 606.34 607.35 ES2011d C FEE043 2 606.551 607.999 606.79 607.64 Okay . 607.64 ES2011d C FEE043 2 661.035 669.504 661.035 669.504 Does it feel fancy ? No . 666.27 669.16 ES2011d B FEE042 1 662.51 665.507 662.51 665.32 Feels like play-dough . 665.32 ES2011d D FEE044 3 678.38 682.151 678.6 682.151 They shouldn't really be questions . Should be more like 680.64 ES2011d D FEE044 3 713.142 716.878 713.48 716.878 Are the batteries easy to insert ? 716.8 ES2011d B FEE042 1 715.674 717.997 716.06 717.997 I'm gonna say yes . 717.85 ES2011d D FEE044 3 717.61 720.426 717.63 720.34 Yes ? Very very true . Okay . 718.19 719.76 720.34 ES2011d B FEE042 1 719.259 723.855 719.259 723.75 I imagine they're somewhere on the front . We have a little case that you slip 'em in . 721.37 723.75 ES2011d D FEE044 3 723.556 724.6 723.76 724.41 Okay . 724.41 ES2011d A FEE041 0 784.923 786.91 785.28 786.36 Are we just about ready ? 786.36 ES2011d D FEE044 3 787.911 793.601 788.28 793.25 Apparently I'm supposed to use the whiteboard . Do we um is it necessary ? 791.24 793.25 ES2011d A FEE041 0 794.24 800.402 794.45 800.402 I don't think so . It's yeah the the marker thing kinda stopped working last time we 796.02 ES2011d D FEE044 3 795.897 797.748 796.1 797.748 We'll just do um - ES2011d C FEE043 2 799.739 802.096 799.739 801.87 Yeah . Okay . 801.22 801.87 ES2011d D FEE044 3 801.238 803.27 801.34 802.89 Yeah . Okay . 802.18 802.89 ES2011d A FEE041 0 801.502 803.384 801.79 803.15 Our animals will forever be there . 803.15 ES2011d A FEE041 0 804.544 810.607 804.544 810.607 Un unless you feel you need it t to okay okay . We'll 809.71 ES2011d D FEE044 3 807.681 812.304 807.92 812.304 I don't feel any right um - ES2011d D FEE044 3 813.338 817.311 813.54 817.02 Right so one point one ? We'll just go in a circle . 815.65 817.02 ES2011d C FEE043 2 817.088 818.144 817.15 818.07 One . 818.07 ES2011d B FEE042 1 817.24 817.761 817.39 817.51 'Kay - ES2011d B FEE042 1 818.633 819.307 818.66 819.08 Five . 819.08 ES2011d D FEE044 3 818.556 823.237 818.71 822.96 Right . Ooh I don't know . Right . One ? 819.31 821.22 822.4 822.96 ES2011d B FEE042 1 823.267 824.109 823.44 823.82 Five . 823.82 ES2011d A FEE041 0 824.067 825.211 824.25 824.98 Five . 824.98 ES2011d D FEE044 3 825.585 833.262 825.85 833.08 Five . Two . Okay so do we just add it up and divide it by four ? Is that what the company does ? 827.39 828.41 831.31 833.08 ES2011d A FEE041 0 833.168 835.211 833.39 835.211 I I think we should - ES2011d B FEE042 1 834.9 836.331 834.92 836.12 It's four if you wanna do that . 836.12 ES2011d A FEE041 0 835.952 838.141 836.16 837.99 Yeah . Yeah . 837.58 837.99 ES2011d D FEE044 3 836.864 837.706 837.06 837.4 Yeah ? 837.4 ES2011d B FEE042 1 837.24 839.025 837.42 838.79 It adds to sixteen , so that's four . 838.28 838.79 ES2011d D FEE044 3 840.736 845.012 841.0 844.66 Oh no . It adds to thirteen . One five five two . 841.54 843.42 844.66 ES2011d B FEE042 1 844.805 846.253 845.04 845.93 Oh I thought she said five . 845.93 ES2011d C FEE043 2 845.968 846.473 846.13 846.29 Hmm . 846.29 ES2011d D FEE044 3 847.136 853.631 847.37 853.39 One five five two is thirteen , over four for now . I think that's um next ? 849.11 850.52 853.39 ES2011d C FEE043 2 854.116 855.808 854.29 855.69 Um three . 855.69 ES2011d B FEE042 1 856.691 857.768 856.91 857.44 Six . 857.44 ES2011d A FEE041 0 857.207 864.042 857.54 863.95 Six . I wasn't cheating I swear . 861.48 863.95 ES2011d D FEE044 3 858.883 862.284 859.29 861.83 Really ? Two . Uh-oh . 860.58 861.66 861.83 ES2011d C FEE043 2 859.773 861.558 859.99 861.558 Yeah . 861.3 ES2011d D FEE044 3 863.193 867.072 863.41 867.072 Right . One point three is 863.88 ES2011d C FEE043 2 868.16 870.768 868.18 870.72 So it's a one was true and seven was false ? 870.72 ES2011d C FEE043 2 872.029 875.194 872.029 875.15 Okay , so you guys really didn't like it ? 873.63 875.15 ES2011d B FEE042 1 872.126 872.732 872.26 872.53 Huh ? 872.53 ES2011d A FEE041 0 872.039 872.915 872.39 872.64 Uh . 872.64 ES2011d D FEE044 3 872.405 873.55 872.59 873.46 Yeah . 873.46 ES2011d D FEE044 3 875.334 876.513 875.58 876.513 I really - ES2011d A FEE041 0 875.541 883.386 875.74 883.386 Oh I thought it was the other way round . So we do have about the same thing , we just have it the other way 880.0 881.76 ES2011d B FEE042 1 875.846 878.27 875.94 878.02 Wait a minute . I thought it was the other way round too . 876.91 878.02 ES2011d D FEE044 3 879.846 881.198 879.99 881.198 Well uh - ES2011d B FEE042 1 880.728 881.669 881.11 881.3 Sh - ES2011d B FEE042 1 882.748 888.24 882.84 888.14 Yeah I I was thinking one means no points , you know , all the way up to the top . 886.17 886.47 888.14 ES2011d D FEE044 3 883.146 889.408 883.44 888.96 Yeah yeah . It was one is true and false is seven . I should've kept the table up . 883.95 887.38 888.96 ES2011d A FEE041 0 888.74 891.198 888.92 891.198 Oh gosh . Okay . Well 890.03 890.53 ES2011d B FEE042 1 888.977 892.479 889.13 892.21 I'll just I'll just reverse them all . It's no problem . 891.46 892.21 ES2011d A FEE041 0 891.871 892.848 892.05 892.6 Yeah . 892.6 ES2011d D FEE044 3 893.865 897.018 894.17 896.73 Right , well I'm glad this came out . 895.28 896.73 ES2011d A FEE041 0 896.037 905.2 896.037 905.2 Yeah . 904.61 ES2011d B FEE042 1 896.307 905.161 896.307 905.161 I thought you guys hated it . 904.92 ES2011d C FEE043 2 896.22 904.637 896.6 904.637 I was like , why did you guys design it that way if you hated it ? Yeah . 896.93 900.54 904.53 ES2011d D FEE044 3 898.036 904.885 898.09 904.74 Yeah . No . Oh that's quite funny . 900.23 901.13 904.74 ES2011d B FEE042 1 923.665 924.576 923.7 924.09 Okay . 924.09 ES2011d D FEE044 3 924.113 925.964 924.63 925.964 Okay . 925.82 ES2011d A FEE041 0 925.316 926.359 925.51 925.88 Yeah . 925.88 ES2011d D FEE044 3 926.978 931.251 927.15 930.9 Okay . So , starting again , one point one ? 928.02 929.28 930.13 930.9 ES2011d C FEE043 2 930.878 931.856 931.1 931.8 One . 931.8 ES2011d B FEE042 1 933.071 934.216 933.15 934.08 Say two . 934.08 ES2011d A FEE041 0 934.912 936.124 935.16 935.78 Three . 935.78 ES2011d D FEE044 3 937.076 939.332 937.29 938.87 Two . Okay , one point two ? 937.69 938.0 938.87 ES2011d C FEE043 2 940.888 942.336 941.1 942.25 Uh three . 942.25 ES2011d B FEE042 1 942.288 943.04 942.31 943.01 Two . 943.01 ES2011d A FEE041 0 942.656 943.868 942.86 943.68 Two . 943.68 ES2011d D FEE044 3 944.247 948.49 944.66 948.19 Two . Okay . Um , one point three ? 945.29 946.09 947.31 948.19 ES2011d C FEE043 2 949.272 949.945 949.47 949.78 One . 949.78 ES2011d A FEE041 0 950.576 951.527 950.64 951.39 One . 951.39 ES2011d B FEE042 1 950.999 951.908 951.17 951.8 One . 951.8 ES2011d D FEE044 3 952.967 956.132 953.17 955.68 Ha . Two point one ? 954.95 955.68 ES2011d C FEE043 2 956.78 958.262 956.95 957.85 Uh two . 957.85 ES2011d A FEE041 0 956.847 957.891 957.07 957.65 Two . 957.65 ES2011d B FEE042 1 958.743 960.224 958.92 959.84 Uh two . 959.84 ES2011d A FEE041 0 961.123 965.914 961.29 965.73 Two point I think I missed two . Wait , is that two point one ? 964.58 964.75 965.73 ES2011d B FEE042 1 966.557 969.419 966.73 969.01 Yeah I put it down as one point four for some reason . 969.01 ES2011d D FEE044 3 966.637 971.115 967.18 970.89 Yeah . Oh dear , okay . Sorry . 968.23 969.5 970.11 970.89 ES2011d A FEE041 0 967.924 971.965 968.21 971.92 One point four , one point five . Okay right that's I have two of them . 968.93 969.57 971.92 ES2011d B FEE042 1 971.406 973.224 971.57 973.13 Mine has all kinds of problems . 973.13 ES2011d D FEE044 3 972.26 977.216 972.41 977.18 Two and one . Sorry about that . T two point two , which is one point five . 973.54 974.65 975.76 977.18 ES2011d A FEE041 0 977.846 978.788 977.99 978.33 One . 978.33 ES2011d B FEE042 1 979.217 980.496 979.38 980.43 Uh three . 980.43 ES2011d B FEE042 1 981.44 983.089 981.58 982.95 Wait why did I put three ? 982.95 ES2011d C FEE043 2 982.626 983.838 982.82 983.46 Uh one . 983.46 ES2011d B FEE042 1 984.436 986.322 984.62 986.11 I meant one on mine too . 986.11 ES2011d D FEE044 3 984.672 985.382 984.8 985.33 Okay . 985.33 ES2011d D FEE044 3 986.362 990.255 986.42 989.71 Three point one . Is that correct on my slide ? Yeah ? 987.44 989.45 989.71 ES2011d A FEE041 0 988.182 989.832 988.53 989.46 Yeah . Yeah . 988.94 989.46 ES2011d C FEE043 2 989.168 991.392 989.24 991.33 Yeah . Uh one . 990.1 991.33 ES2011d B FEE042 1 992.615 995.184 992.87 995.02 Three point one . I have four . 993.84 995.02 ES2011d A FEE041 0 995.408 996.533 995.47 996.33 Three . 996.33 ES2011d D FEE044 3 995.406 1000.187 995.64 999.9 One , four , three , three , three point two ? 996.17 996.8 998.09 998.79 999.9 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1000.999 1002.043 1001.06 1001.93 Three . 1001.93 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1001.435 1002.647 1001.72 1002.27 Three . 1002.27 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1003.306 1005.326 1003.45 1005.2 Uh . One . 1004.67 1005.2 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1006.303 1007.903 1006.45 1007.73 Three point three . 1007.73 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1008.224 1008.96 1008.31 1008.89 One . 1008.89 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1008.81 1009.45 1008.89 1009.19 One . 1009.19 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1010.064 1010.944 1010.08 1010.89 Two . 1010.89 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1013.104 1014.64 1013.4 1014.52 Four point one ? 1014.52 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1014.64 1015.953 1015.0 1015.83 One . 1015.83 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1015.477 1016.304 1015.63 1015.91 Two . 1015.91 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1016.418 1017.792 1016.55 1017.65 Five . 1017.65 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1019.128 1021.993 1019.35 1021.79 Two . Four point two . 1020.23 1021.79 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1021.984 1022.752 1022.08 1022.65 Two . 1022.65 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1022.933 1023.808 1023.1 1023.63 Three . 1023.63 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1023.791 1024.734 1023.81 1024.41 Four . 1024.41 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1025.427 1028.558 1025.89 1028.37 Two and four point three . 1028.37 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1029.168 1029.97 1029.19 1029.68 Two . 1029.68 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1029.4 1030.343 1029.51 1030.17 One , two . 1030.06 1030.17 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1030.499 1031.341 1030.78 1031.19 One . 1031.19 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1031.068 1032.213 1031.35 1032.01 Two . 1032.01 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1033.698 1044.718 1033.76 1044.61 Right so I put one on that . Okay I'll um I'll just do the calculations now if you want to continue . Or is it tedious ? I'm I'm sorry this was so tedious for everyone . 1035.3 1040.94 1042.12 1044.61 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1040.563 1042.247 1040.8 1042.247 Okay . Um 1041.18 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1043.633 1058.704 1043.9 1058.55 No no that's um I think we should look at the ones that like where s where people said four , where um it looks like we might wanna discuss changing an aspect of the remote . 1051.73 1058.55 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1045.785 1047.536 1045.82 1047.11 I didn't know how else to do it . 1047.11 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1058.617 1062.562 1058.69 1062.37 Okay . Well the worst ones were three point one . 1059.59 1062.37 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1062.705 1063.513 1062.94 1063.23 Mm-hmm . 1063.23 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1063.584 1067.936 1063.6 1067.9 Do does every ones have the slide ? Three point one . 1066.55 1067.9 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1066.555 1069.215 1066.84 1069.04 The that was material . 1069.04 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1069.796 1071.445 1069.96 1071.15 Slide show . 1071.15 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1073.331 1082.592 1073.52 1082.592 Material technologically innovative , okay . Um , do you want to change it ? What are the suggestions ? I don't know , anyone ? 1076.66 1078.08 1078.81 1080.17 1081.54 1082.38 1082.56 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1077.262 1078.208 1077.51 1077.79 Mm . 1077.79 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1083.255 1084.232 1083.28 1084.232 Um - ES2011d C FEE043 2 1083.015 1086.281 1083.51 1085.92 Which one is that again sorry ? Three point one ? 1084.96 1085.92 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1086.151 1087.229 1086.34 1087.05 Mm-hmm . 1087.05 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1086.816 1091.627 1087.01 1091.51 Yeah that it's three point one was not that good . Four point one . 1090.3 1091.51 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1092.722 1094.338 1092.94 1094.338 Does the shape - ES2011d D FEE044 3 1094.161 1097.085 1094.29 1097.01 The shape . Four point two ? 1095.68 1097.01 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1095.025 1096.203 1095.2 1096.203 I think - ES2011d A FEE041 0 1097.099 1099.994 1097.26 1099.89 See I'm having I'm having trouble imagining - ES2011d A FEE041 0 1101.2 1106.661 1101.22 1106.55 the is it uh gonna be the size , like the the controller ? It or bigger ? 1103.15 1105.25 1106.55 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1105.263 1107.376 1105.35 1107.34 I think the wheel would probably be mm . 1107.34 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1107.166 1108.412 1107.22 1108.412 Because - ES2011d C FEE043 2 1107.348 1113.745 1107.6 1113.49 What if we just smash all the vegetables down flat ? And like then it you could hold it in your hand better . 1110.72 1113.49 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1113.849 1119.52 1114.09 1119.4 I think the base would definitely be larger , 'cause some of these are not as easy to hold . They're kinda smallish . 1115.56 1117.33 1119.4 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1117.825 1118.835 1118.01 1118.54 Yeah . 1118.54 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1119.744 1142.235 1119.95 1141.92 No but I imagine even if it was bigger , like if it's round and it's big then you you can't get that's why remote controls are long because you have that thumb kind of so c they could all be bananas and cucumbers . Um but I don't s I I personally don't think this is comfortable to to sit there , like it's an awkward position . 1121.82 1133.65 1139.92 1141.92 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1124.434 1127.397 1124.58 1127.31 Yeah . The flat one . Yeah . 1125.54 1126.58 1127.31 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1125.507 1126.383 1125.64 1126.07 Yeah . 1126.07 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1132.043 1133.12 1132.2 1132.9 Yeah . 1132.9 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1138.373 1144.08 1138.61 1144.08 I didn't yeah . But like if if you just squash them flat like and you made it flat 1140.35 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1143.814 1147.754 1144.04 1147.64 Well if they're that s uh stress ball stuff they would be pretty squishable . 1147.64 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1150.274 1153.54 1150.45 1153.36 But it's still too big I think , in your hand . Yeah . 1152.08 1153.2 1153.36 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1150.656 1150.987 1150.74 1150.86 Mm . 1150.86 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1152.014 1153.008 1152.24 1152.96 Yeah . 1152.96 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1155.616 1159.488 1155.82 1159.488 And would it even resemble fruit that way ? I mean 1158.38 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1158.893 1166.4 1159.02 1166.35 Yeah like certain ones you'd have to limit the fruit selection , like you could probably do a strawberry still . I think the broccoli would be out . 1162.24 1164.98 1166.35 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1161.75 1162.415 1161.91 1162.2 Yeah . 1162.2 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1164.606 1165.515 1164.78 1165.28 Yeah . 1165.28 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1167.488 1172.866 1167.51 1172.78 You could do , although the broccoli is quite comfortable , I have to say , like sorta like a joystick . 1168.43 1170.21 1170.87 1172.78 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1171.512 1175.552 1171.73 1175.52 Yeah that I I when you were holding that before , it actually looked yeah . 1173.93 1175.52 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1173.078 1175.603 1173.34 1175.44 Yeah . That looked really good . 1173.99 1175.44 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1175.431 1176.64 1175.45 1176.64 I don't know . So 1175.88 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1177.968 1180.553 1178.01 1180.15 Are there any fruits that look like broccoli , no ? 1179.88 1180.15 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1180.4 1181.424 1180.61 1181.28 Uh . 1181.28 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1182.584 1188.132 1182.85 1188.132 Not that I can think of . Rhubarb . 1183.88 1188.02 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1184.943 1192.8 1184.943 1192.8 I think that broccoli is my favourite actually . Uh despite the 1191.85 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1185.06 1189.774 1185.06 1189.71 Rhubarb . These obscure fruits . 1188.17 1189.71 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1191.108 1191.916 1191.3 1191.72 Yeah . 1191.72 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1192.557 1194.036 1192.557 1194.036 I think we needn't - ES2011d A FEE041 0 1193.009 1206.848 1193.45 1206.71 What if um the it was just patterns on like we we chose the shape or the sh shape could be whatever we wanted and then it would just be like a design on the rubber . 1206.71 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1208.177 1210.198 1208.34 1209.99 Huh ? Oh okay . 1209.39 1209.99 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1209.104 1213.515 1209.33 1213.35 You know like like just a printed yeah or coloured yeah . 1213.35 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1209.883 1213.418 1210.26 1213.38 So it's just colour , and not necessarily the shape of a strawberry . 1211.1 1213.38 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1212.757 1214.474 1212.92 1214.25 Yeah . That could work . 1213.39 1214.25 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1214.416 1215.68 1214.45 1215.68 Yeah . 1215.62 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1215.752 1222.183 1215.94 1222.183 Or I mean we could even have fruit like around I mean - ES2011d C FEE043 2 1220.122 1221.3 1220.26 1220.93 Yeah . 1220.93 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1222.176 1223.792 1222.32 1223.52 Yeah . I dunno . 1222.97 1223.52 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1223.025 1236.998 1223.38 1236.998 But if we if we need yeah . And if we wanna incorporate the fruit thing somehow , there might be I mean if it if it in if it uh conflicts with the comfort of actually holdi holding the 1226.41 1229.53 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1222.905 1226.305 1223.5 1226.05 Yeah and just have the colour match or something . 1226.05 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1235.779 1240.425 1235.88 1240.3 Yeah . 'Cause yeah no-one wants to hold a remote that's uncomfortable obviously . 1236.68 1240.3 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1239.338 1240.988 1239.65 1240.988 Mm . 1240.84 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1239.93 1241.033 1240.33 1240.74 Mm . 1240.74 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1241.158 1244.608 1241.32 1244.608 Or like I dunno , some of 'em you can kind of think see as like 1242.16 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1246.309 1254.72 1246.52 1254.69 like you could if it was only this you know , if it was shaped like that , and it just had that . But you see the problem is you have to attach that , and this has to be detachable . 1249.62 1250.73 1251.55 1253.35 1254.69 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1251.728 1252.907 1252.1 1252.72 Yeah . 1252.72 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1254.792 1255.701 1255.01 1255.42 Yeah . 1255.42 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1256.107 1258.599 1256.35 1258.599 So like maybe that's just too big because - ES2011d A FEE041 0 1257.116 1264.144 1257.58 1264.09 Well see th the reason the broccoli works is you can kinda hold it like that , which is a nice kind of yeah . 1261.61 1264.09 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1261.326 1263.616 1261.58 1263.31 Yeah it's sorta like a joystick . 1263.31 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1261.728 1262.791 1261.89 1262.61 Yeah . 1262.61 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1266.112 1266.954 1266.13 1266.954 But - ES2011d C FEE043 2 1267.434 1269.151 1267.434 1269.151 I dunno . I guess 1268.56 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1268.503 1274.294 1268.69 1274.294 I mean is there some way we could make it this kind of shape ? 'Cause like kind of 1271.95 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1272.983 1280.992 1273.24 1280.81 We could make it that shape but just have different colours , and call 'em the different fruits . We went with shape because we were having fun with the play-dough . 1275.64 1277.78 1280.81 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1275.372 1278.334 1275.55 1278.334 Yeah , yeah . Or like even 1276.21 1277.24 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1275.582 1276.525 1275.82 1276.49 Yeah . 1276.49 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1275.867 1276.67 1276.01 1276.51 Yeah . 1276.51 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1277.131 1277.84 1277.25 1277.68 Dif - ES2011d A FEE041 0 1279.412 1280.792 1279.58 1280.792 Or even like - ES2011d A FEE041 0 1281.331 1284.698 1281.48 1284.5 Yeah like you said , like a joystick like that . You know ? 1282.18 1284.07 1284.5 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1283.259 1291.07 1283.66 1290.9 Yeah . Yeah . Like uh we could do I'm trying to think of other sha like fruits that are oddly shaped . 1284.6 1285.89 1290.9 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1290.254 1292.528 1290.43 1292.528 'Cause that , I think 1291.64 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1293.522 1301.536 1293.73 1300.91 I mean that fits the whole round iPod idea . And you still have the comfort of holding it like that . 1297.67 1300.91 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1296.607 1297.616 1296.77 1297.5 Yeah . 1297.5 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1297.384 1298.192 1297.59 1297.83 Mm-hmm . 1297.83 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1297.521 1298.389 1297.73 1298.25 Yeah . 1298.25 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1302.028 1302.836 1302.17 1302.47 Mm . 1302.47 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1303.904 1310.652 1303.99 1310.47 And you could like if it's like this , you could put fruit designs and stuff on that part . 1305.74 1310.47 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1308.695 1310.58 1308.88 1310.35 Yeah . Yeah . 1309.96 1310.35 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1311.22 1311.927 1311.34 1311.78 Alright . 1311.78 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1312.175 1316.672 1312.36 1316.47 But I mean it do we have any other ideas about that ? 1316.47 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1317.488 1318.208 1317.53 1318.208 Um - ES2011d C FEE043 2 1322.067 1324.592 1322.2 1324.54 We could tr I don't know . 1324.54 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1327.84 1333.888 1327.86 1333.38 Think the critical ones came out to be yeah that one . . 1333.38 1333.38 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1336.586 1344.296 1336.81 1344.25 Batteries easy to insert for some reason , which can be easily I think that's not a problem any more . 1340.22 1344.25 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1343.232 1346.801 1343.39 1346.45 The batteries are going in the back ? 1346.45 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1343.921 1345.84 1344.06 1345.71 That everyone gave that a one or a two . 1345.71 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1346.817 1350.083 1346.95 1349.78 Yeah they'd probably be either on the front or the side of the remote . 1349.78 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1346.834 1347.814 1346.99 1347.43 No . 1347.43 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1348.991 1356.736 1349.18 1356.736 The reason I I ga I didn't give it a one I think I gave it a three because I thought you'd have to like unc clip no you could - ES2011d B FEE042 1 1354.527 1360.015 1354.71 1359.89 No I imagine there'd be sort of a hatch door , yeah um like on a normal remote . 1358.64 1359.89 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1357.611 1360.204 1357.79 1359.92 Just like any other one . Okay . Yeah . 1358.85 1359.67 1359.92 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1360.944 1361.685 1361.06 1361.39 Right . 1361.39 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1361.462 1366.464 1361.59 1366.43 So it would probably either in the f no it can't be in the front 'cause the I_R_'s right there , but it'd be on one of the sides probably . 1364.9 1366.43 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1366.466 1367.241 1366.64 1367.12 Okay . 1367.12 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1366.717 1369.343 1367.01 1369.05 I think everyone's under three anyway . 1369.05 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1370.96 1371.283 1371.03 1371.16 Mm . 1371.16 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1371.071 1374.976 1371.36 1374.78 So I think it's yeah those are the only two points . 1374.78 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1376.675 1378.425 1377.03 1378.425 Cool . Well 1377.81 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1380.345 1383.712 1380.46 1383.46 Yeah the broccoli I guess wins . 1383.46 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1381.802 1389.343 1381.802 1389.343 Yeah I'd agree with changing the shape . Um , I was just having fun making strawberries and stuff . 1386.01 1386.21 1389.03 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1383.664 1384.842 1383.76 1384.73 Yeah . 1384.73 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1386.103 1386.878 1386.21 1386.75 Okay . 1386.75 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1388.366 1396.448 1388.366 1396.448 We were a bit off task . Um so uh I can't think of any 1391.64 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1397.625 1398.669 1397.71 1398.669 So we'll have to like - ES2011d C FEE043 2 1403.072 1404.112 1403.12 1403.9 Mm . 1403.9 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1405.234 1406.736 1405.47 1406.37 Yeah I dunno . 1406.37 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1407.686 1415.228 1407.81 1415.228 You could make the touch pad in th in different shapes , but then that kind of re-designs the whole project like , but you could do like 1410.59 1414.25 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1414.588 1418.84 1414.66 1418.59 It might also sort of annoy people if we get used to having the buttons in one shape . 1418.59 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1417.417 1420.851 1417.59 1420.63 Yeah that's true . Yeah . 1420.22 1420.63 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1418.638 1419.514 1418.84 1419.25 Yeah . 1419.25 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1420.49 1424.429 1420.71 1424.24 And it would probably cost more to produce , 'cause they're irregular . 1423.02 1424.24 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1422.198 1423.713 1422.47 1423.43 Yeah that's true . 1423.43 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1425.088 1426.272 1425.27 1426.23 Mm . 1426.23 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1426.217 1429.887 1426.41 1429.61 I bet having different colours is a lot cheaper than having different shapes too . 1429.61 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1429.414 1430.32 1429.62 1430.27 Yeah . 1430.27 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1431.552 1438.034 1431.57 1437.35 Which is why printing might be like just printing the fruit on fruit . 1437.35 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1437.929 1438.558 1438.24 1438.46 Hmm . 1438.46 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1440.189 1441.636 1440.53 1440.88 Mm . 1440.88 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1448.135 1449.446 1448.48 1449.446 Not really - ES2011d A FEE041 0 1453.822 1468.098 1454.06 1467.96 Well we've done finance evaluation criteria , production evaluation . Um so project evaluation . 1459.85 1465.36 1467.96 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1467.48 1469.366 1467.83 1469.366 Do you want this and we can all - ES2011d D FEE044 3 1472.375 1473.265 1472.375 1473.18 No . 1473.18 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1473.06 1486.629 1473.25 1486.629 I guess we're supposed to discuss um the prod the process of the project and how satisfied oh , oh it's alright . Uh . Yeah . Um 1482.99 1484.08 1485.15 1485.98 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1484.341 1486.059 1484.5 1485.4 It's alright yeah ? 1485.4 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1487.976 1492.286 1488.17 1492.286 Did you feel there was a lot of room for creativity in the sort of - ES2011d B FEE042 1 1492.268 1493.413 1492.5 1493.37 Sure . 1493.37 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1493.229 1494.138 1493.4 1493.96 Yeah . 1493.96 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1495.484 1496.352 1495.64 1496.24 I did . 1496.24 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1496.968 1497.675 1497.18 1497.42 Yeah . 1497.42 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1497.046 1502.265 1497.38 1502.265 I mean fruit and squishiness . How c more creative can you get ? 1498.92 1501.65 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1498.251 1501.695 1498.251 1501.695 Sponginess . 1501.64 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1501.309 1514.725 1501.58 1514.5 The prototype making was very creatively stimulating and I think we've come up with a product that's fun and meets all the criteria . 1514.5 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1514.958 1518.662 1515.2 1518.662 And how was our leadership and teamwork ? 1518.61 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1518.343 1523.776 1518.72 1523.64 I think it was good . We knew what we were doing . It was a very democratic process and everyone got to contribute . 1519.64 1520.9 1523.64 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1525.632 1534.288 1525.87 1534.25 Well I thought my leadership was crap personally . Excuse me , am I allowed to say that ? Yeah . Um . 1529.28 1529.73 1531.57 1533.82 1534.25 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1527.568 1532.854 1527.568 1532.58 Well you told us when to start and when to end , and that's all that matters . 1531.23 1532.58 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1534.291 1536.547 1534.49 1536.39 I think you were fine . You did a good job leading . 1535.34 1536.39 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1535.55 1542.352 1535.61 1542.32 Yeah , well I'm never gonna do a management position , I know that now . Um yeah , I thought we all worked very well together . 1536.36 1538.36 1540.1 1540.64 1542.32 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1541.31 1545.283 1541.47 1545.1 Yeah we didn't we uh it all c sort of blended quite well . 1545.1 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1544.095 1544.735 1544.24 1544.57 Yeah . 1544.57 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1544.307 1552.512 1544.53 1552.47 Yeah I think it more than anything we didn't really have our set roles so much , as we just would be like I don't know , all had ideas about it but yeah . 1547.49 1549.8 1552.47 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1548.524 1551.419 1548.68 1551.11 Yeah . Very democratic . 1550.24 1551.11 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1552.328 1563.073 1552.54 1562.94 No spats , that was good . Um and the means for like the materials we used , how convenient were they ? 1553.38 1557.24 1561.41 1562.94 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1553.869 1555.616 1554.22 1555.616 No . 1555.15 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1564.472 1568.086 1564.59 1568.086 Like the the pens , the whiteboard , I mean we used 1565.67 1567.13 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1567.158 1580.367 1567.3 1580.32 Well I'm not a big fan of any Microsoft , PowerPoint or any of this stuff . No no I never touch Macs either . I just use the Unix or the off market , sort of WordPerfect and all these other things . 1570.19 1572.63 1574.92 1578.02 1580.32 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1571.144 1574.56 1571.39 1574.56 Are you a Mac person ? 1573.6 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1580.201 1581.009 1580.39 1580.73 Huh . 1580.73 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1580.854 1581.426 1581.09 1581.26 Hmm . 1581.26 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1581.425 1585.701 1581.68 1585.701 Which isn't very user-friendly though . 1584.35 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1583.28 1593.344 1583.38 1593.28 Yeah . Well the problem is if you don't like my new computer never has WordPerfect so I have to go track someone down who has an old disk and then I have to reinstall it . So I have all these documents I can't use now . 1584.34 1591.42 1593.28 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1595.069 1596.921 1595.32 1596.65 But yeah I mean I guess it's okay . 1596.65 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1597.257 1629.223 1597.62 1629.16 I felt like my I dunno if it was just my role , but l but uh I di I thought that my the information that was available to me was kind of just like or maybe it was just the idea that we had . But there's kinda it was kinda like okay , I don't really think I dunno what I'm doing here . So I didn't really think it was helpful . So I kind of just made up my own stuff and I didn't really like the PowerPoint presentations , so I kind of wrote a lot of notes instead . But yeah I d I don't really like PowerPoint personally , think it's kinda stupid . 1600.13 1606.37 1608.84 1611.81 1614.49 1622.28 1624.36 1627.93 1629.16 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1611.519 1611.981 1611.67 1611.88 Mm . 1611.88 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1619.797 1620.383 1619.89 1620.21 Yeah . 1620.21 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1624.336 1625.144 1624.55 1624.97 Yeah . 1624.97 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1628.163 1630.431 1628.38 1630.16 Yeah . I never use it . 1629.34 1630.16 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1630.272 1631.84 1630.29 1631.84 Yeah but uh - ES2011d A FEE041 0 1631.764 1637.512 1631.94 1637.512 I can't say I found everything particularly helpful . Like I 1636.7 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1636.384 1638.091 1636.56 1637.96 Yeah . It didn't really yeah . 1636.9 1637.96 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1637.037 1642.896 1637.26 1642.83 Yeah . My first bit of information was like this child's drawn picture of how a remote works . 1638.61 1642.83 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1638.263 1638.671 1638.34 1638.671 It - ES2011d D FEE044 3 1638.358 1641.229 1638.55 1641.229 I though it was brilliant no ? 1640.62 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1639.811 1642.864 1640.05 1642.864 Really ? 1642.13 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1642.719 1649.873 1642.91 1649.64 No mine was really helpful as in my stuff was quite helpful I think . I think it depends on the role no ? 1647.82 1649.64 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1647.593 1651.599 1647.593 1651.38 Yeah it probably does . 1651.38 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1647.568 1648.596 1647.64 1648.16 So like a f - ES2011d A FEE041 0 1647.589 1666.406 1647.75 1666.406 I mean m my problem yeah , yeah . 'Cause my problem was , you guys had access to like they'd put send you to sites and stuff right ? See I couldn't do that , so I didn't really know what you guys were doing . And when you were talking about it I was just like you know that's wh that's why I seemed so ignorant when when you were j explaining things , 'cause I 1650.63 1650.88 1651.96 1656.17 1657.11 1658.86 1665.67 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1649.438 1650.953 1649.53 1650.65 Yeah I think so . 1650.65 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1655.438 1656.38 1655.62 1655.92 Yeah . 1655.92 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1665.78 1673.737 1665.93 1673.51 Yeah well mine was mostly made up except when they told me like you know titanium costs more than wood to make a remote control . As if you'd wanted to . 1672.6 1673.51 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1670.288 1671.298 1670.41 1671.298 Yeah . 1671.13 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1672.516 1677.536 1672.7 1677.5 Yeah . But it must have been quite difficult for them to build a whole um 1673.86 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1672.577 1673.28 1672.86 1673.24 Yeah . 1673.24 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1677.664 1679.581 1677.98 1679.45 System . Yeah . 1678.99 1679.45 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1678.576 1684.768 1678.6 1684.768 a whole system , 'cause of course they can't give you uh uh anything comparable to the internet for the 1679.39 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1683.952 1685.815 1683.97 1685.815 Yeah I mean , it 1685.02 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1684.207 1684.772 1684.4 1684.67 Yeah . 1684.67 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1684.562 1692.16 1684.81 1692.16 Well I think it's interesting how it all went together , like I had the stuff about how me how rubber's cheap , and you have how people want it to be spongy , and 1687.09 1690.15 1691.81 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1690.492 1691.57 1690.53 1691.44 Yeah , yeah . 1690.67 1691.44 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1692.14 1693.52 1692.27 1693.37 Yeah , huh . 1692.94 1693.37 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1693.047 1694.663 1693.21 1694.45 It seems planned you know . 1694.45 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1694.438 1695.616 1694.52 1695.616 Yeah . 1695.44 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1694.526 1709.68 1694.7 1709.68 Yeah I kinda thought that um I felt like I would go and like try to use my information , or like I'd make this stupid little presentation and then like I just would end up talking about something completely unrelated because I dunno I felt like I was off-task all the time . But um 1699.41 1708.64 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1706.194 1706.844 1706.39 1706.64 Yeah . 1706.64 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1710.07 1722.966 1710.29 1722.966 Well I mean we really got into talking about like personal practicalit like it wasn't necessarily what was like we would never have thought of fruit or sponginess you know ? So it's 1721.79 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1719.696 1723.424 1719.696 1723.424 Yeah . If I hadn't been told that fruit was 1721.95 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1720.049 1721.197 1720.13 1721.197 No . 1721.11 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1720.164 1721.376 1720.51 1721.34 Yeah . 1721.34 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1723.44 1731.585 1723.73 1731.52 But I think that it it might be to see whether people actually all come up with the same thing . 1731.52 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1730.742 1733.524 1730.89 1733.524 Oh right . given certain information or 1731.43 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1734.256 1742.72 1734.32 1742.72 Yeah , like if everyone's given the same input I don't have a clue , anyway . Um what's next ? Looks like oh no that's not um 1734.63 1737.51 1738.34 1740.4 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1734.32 1735.624 1734.46 1735.16 Just yeah . 1735.16 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1737.401 1739.003 1737.51 1738.86 Mm , mm . 1738.49 1738.86 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1744.337 1745.176 1744.42 1745.176 It's quite - ES2011d A FEE041 0 1744.378 1747.711 1744.52 1747.58 What do you guys think of the pens ? It asks about that . 1746.07 1747.58 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1746.391 1750.195 1746.54 1750.11 They're pretty cool . They're kinda hard to write with though . 1748.42 1750.11 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1748.201 1748.531 1748.3 1748.46 Mm . 1748.46 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1748.38 1748.986 1748.42 1748.85 I wanna s - ES2011d A FEE041 0 1749.809 1755.488 1750.05 1755.488 Yeah and I I've f forgotten once or twice to check the box . 1755.28 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1750.008 1750.676 1750.09 1750.64 Yeah . 1750.64 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1755.282 1760.016 1755.51 1760.016 I I'd like to see what what it looks like on the - ES2011d B FEE042 1 1759.834 1766.672 1760.06 1766.59 They're nicer than the pen that I'm using , because like your stuff actually shows up here , rather than having to look at the screen and write . 1762.14 1764.28 1766.59 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1766.375 1767.152 1766.66 1767.12 Mm . 1767.12 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1768.656 1770.474 1768.91 1770.16 But even so , I dunno . 1769.76 1770.16 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1773.27 1780.475 1773.43 1779.92 And new ideas found ? Yeah . 1779.54 1779.92 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1777.988 1780.425 1778.19 1780.3 Yeah it's all very new , no ? 1779.99 1780.3 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1781.463 1782.854 1781.52 1782.31 It's all very new . 1782.31 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1784.456 1787.956 1784.71 1787.956 Yeah I think I'd like to um - ES2011d C FEE043 2 1788.583 1789.405 1788.81 1789.28 I dunno . 1789.28 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1790.945 1799.373 1791.2 1799.3 Like it was the I think the microphones are okay when you're sitting down , but like they're kinda clumsy I guess when you're like when you're s going up to the whiteboard like . 1794.16 1799.3 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1791.156 1792.009 1791.35 1791.87 Sorry . 1791.87 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1796.608 1798.08 1796.81 1797.99 Oh yeah . 1797.99 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1799.58 1801.971 1799.81 1801.78 Well they drop off if you like move too much . 1801.78 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1801.45 1803.807 1801.7 1803.74 Yeah I dunno . But they're they're okay . 1802.51 1803.74 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1802.711 1807.593 1802.84 1807.593 But I don't think we're supposed to be testing these microphones . Maybe we are . I don't know . 1806.06 1806.64 1807.54 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1806.715 1809.901 1806.715 1809.61 Uh I think , and I think that uh 1808.6 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1806.734 1807.302 1806.82 1807.26 Mm . 1807.26 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1810.856 1821.63 1810.94 1821.4 all this technology like I guess some people must be interested in using it but I can't imagine finding it any more useful than like looking at someone's notes , or like I dunno . 1819.95 1821.4 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1819.061 1820.071 1819.4 1819.87 Yeah . 1819.87 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1819.812 1848.738 1819.88 1848.63 Well the thing is , like I actually worked in a company , and I had a role and I had to go to meetings . And like the last thing I would have wanted would be to have to watch a video 'cause I missed a meeting . Like usually I missed meetings deliberately . There's just there's really not that much information that actually goes through a real meeting , like when you're actually at a real meeting in a real company . It's mostly like rehashing old stuff . And you're sort of going over general stuff that anybody who's sort of on task should already know . It's like the there's just really not a lot of information that goes through . 1821.05 1822.92 1825.42 1830.12 1832.25 1836.08 1838.71 1841.23 1846.09 1848.63 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1835.839 1836.782 1836.07 1836.41 Yeah . 1836.41 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1838.177 1838.884 1838.42 1838.64 Hm . 1838.64 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1842.607 1843.651 1842.85 1843.16 Yeah . 1843.16 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1847.758 1851.296 1847.99 1851.26 Seems kind of like an excessive reiteration . Yeah . 1850.86 1851.26 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1849.462 1859.648 1849.51 1859.648 It seems like way overkill . Like if I missed a meeting I could probably get it summed up in like one sentence . I wouldn't need to have to watch like a t two hour video with the sound and the transcript and 1851.1 1855.03 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1854.336 1854.997 1854.36 1854.85 Yeah . 1854.85 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1859.407 1860.182 1859.64 1860.02 Yeah . 1860.02 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1860.57 1862.657 1860.94 1862.657 I guess it would be - ES2011d C FEE043 2 1864.704 1873.025 1864.83 1872.89 it's gotta be worth it to I 'cause I'm just mostly curious about like what kind of person or like company would would really find it useful , 'cause 1872.48 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1873.664 1875.684 1873.99 1875.51 can't really imagine , dunno . 1875.1 1875.51 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1877.233 1879.86 1877.39 1879.78 How about a p a ? 1879.78 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1881.088 1883.776 1881.088 1883.66 Um I dunno . 1883.66 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1888.39 1896.337 1888.68 1896.337 Well does anyone wanna talk about fruit more while we still have time ? Any other ideas for 1893.74 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1894.592 1903.814 1895.04 1902.99 What what's the end ? Are we are we supposed to um you supposed to write a report ? Or we ending ? Is that the end ? 1896.45 1900.79 1902.25 1902.99 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1901.83 1913.904 1902.13 1913.85 Um we still have time if there's any other input . I mean the I think we did really well personally , which is why we've 1909.27 1912.17 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1914.854 1929.848 1915.07 1929.67 you know , gone through this so quickly . 'Cause I mean we've all we all kind of agreed our product is satisfactory , it fits the budget , and it's trendy . So . 1915.68 1917.55 1923.1 1924.1 1929.17 1929.67 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1926.9 1928.079 1927.1 1927.71 Yeah . 1927.71 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1931.683 1932.935 1932.02 1932.57 Um . 1932.57 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1932.937 1935.462 1933.13 1935.462 End of meeting . You have to tell her , she 1933.93 1934.9 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1936.054 1940.656 1936.22 1940.656 So I think that's all for today . 1939.86 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1937.516 1943.904 1937.516 1943.48 Okay we have to fill in all this stuff . Stuff stuff stuff . 1942.77 1943.48 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1943.011 1944.954 1943.25 1944.9 M meeting adjourned . 1944.9 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1944.404 1945.549 1944.42 1945.3 Meeting adjourned . 1945.3 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1944.611 1945.957 1944.9 1945.62 Yeah . 1945.62 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1946.688 1952.051 1946.98 1952.051 I think I've learned not to bring play-dough to meetings . 1952.0 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1949.252 1951.68 1949.38 1951.68 Yeah . 1950.75 ES2011d C FEE043 2 1952.4 1955.632 1952.42 1954.41 I think it would be a good idea , I like it . 1954.07 1955.32 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1953.492 1960.464 1953.492 1960.38 It's hard enough to get people actually paying attention . Especially if you have food . 1958.98 1960.38 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1964.16 1968.79 1964.19 1968.79 So I guess we're supposed to write final reports . 'Cause 1968.22 ES2011d B FEE042 1 1968.368 1969.056 1968.39 1969.02 All of us ? 1969.02 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1969.733 1971.681 1969.87 1971.51 I don't know . Hmm . 1971.31 1971.51 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1970.137 1973.201 1970.52 1973.05 Well there's al eight , nine . Ooh . 1971.54 1972.33 1973.05 ES2011d D FEE044 3 1973.84 1974.615 1973.92 1974.41 Oh ooh . 1974.41 ES2011d A FEE041 0 1974.529 1977.443 1974.66 1975.96 Hmm . Or is that just me ? 1975.32 1977.02 ES2012a A MEE045 0 18.72 63.501 19.69 63.42 Right w welcome to the the first meeting of uh Real Reaction's uh um development meetings for our our new television remote control . Uh this follows our very successful entry into the the consumer market over the last year or so um which we want to to build on , taking advantage of the uh the the latest developments in in technology and the uh the latest uh uh feelings in in consumer design and and demand and uh we want to make this the the very best product th that's possible for everybody , uh one that everybody wants , uh at a good price for the consumer and at a good price for the company . 30.06 38.86 57.78 59.64 63.42 ES2012a A MEE045 0 64.326 93.776 64.43 93.57 Uh and to that end we need all to work together uh to do that . Um and uh b in no particular order because ev everybody is uh just as vital to this project um I'll just go round th the table , Andrew , marketing , um m Kendra with the uh um designing the the the User Interface uh uh and Kate with the the industrial design . Um . 70.89 80.84 81.81 83.3 92.98 93.57 ES2012a D MEE048 3 76.235 76.774 76.26 76.33 Mm . 76.33 ES2012a A MEE045 0 98.592 115.6 98.592 115.44 What's uh the the th th project is is here to do , is is to to get this this project up and moving , ev everybody is is free to uh say wh whatever they want , uh everybody has a contribution to make and uh 102.05 105.02 110.34 ES2012a A MEE045 0 116.632 151.292 116.632 151.22 everybody feel free to interrupt me at any time to to say what you want to say . Um in in terms of the immediate meeting the uh um everybody knows everybody else , everybody's worked for the the company for a while , if if an anybody feels that they need to say more about themselves please do , if if if anybody wants to b briefly give their their background so that everybody's quite clear what everybody uh uh everybody's experience is please do so . Uh 123.9 131.21 133.24 137.87 150.74 ES2012a A MEE045 0 153.266 165.056 153.32 165.0 in fact I'd I'd I'd welcome anybody to uh say something briefly about themselves , in fact we will do that by by going round the table quickly and and saying what what contribution you you're looking to make . So we'll start with Andrew . 157.84 164.1 165.0 ES2012a D MEE048 3 165.12 169.216 165.14 169.0 Oh my name's Andrew I'm a I'm the Market Research - ES2012a D MEE048 3 170.624 189.968 170.64 189.77 person for this uh for this meeting and this uh project for creating this new remote control and uh yeah I'll be uh presenting information statistics on what people want to want to uh get from this new design , what people want to like and from a fashion point of view and the practicality point of view . 185.49 189.77 ES2012a A MEE045 0 189.836 192.16 190.8 191.96 Right Kendra . 191.96 ES2012a C FEE047 2 191.408 204.416 191.408 204.22 I'm Kendra and I'm the Us User Interface Designer and um I haven't had a whole lot of experience in this kind of thing before but I'm m so I'll be - ES2012a C FEE047 2 205.424 208.384 205.424 208.04 working on the design . 208.04 ES2012a A MEE045 0 208.256 213.312 208.28 213.08 Right at least means you haven't got any preconceived ideas so . 213.08 ES2012a C FEE047 2 211.152 216.032 211.39 215.4 Right . Yep , I'm just open to being creative . 213.31 213.53 215.4 ES2012a B FEE046 1 214.996 226.56 214.996 226.37 Uh I'm Katie , I'm the Industrial Designer and I'll just be I guess presenting about the the inter workings of our little remote control and uh yeah . 218.02 226.37 ES2012a A MEE045 0 215.408 216.736 215.53 216.68 Yep , good . 216.12 216.68 ES2012a A MEE045 0 226.848 279.984 227.59 279.81 Okay , very very quickly , um this I don't want to make this meeting too structured because the the whole idea is that it's a um you know a think tank . Everybody says what they what they want to say , uh and we don't want to be constrained by uh kind of convention or uh uh slides on screens or or anything else um but um briefly um th th this is what we want to do . The the remote control needs to be original , there has to be something about it that uh other remote controls don't have so that as soon as people see it they think um yes that's different , uh I want one , um and that goes along with being trendy , uh uh you know the I want it 228.65 230.35 239.66 242.23 259.7 261.99 271.23 273.26 277.89 ES2012a A MEE045 0 281.392 322.08 281.46 321.28 uh scenario . User-friendly as as we all know , remote controls can be uh uh very user-unfriendly so we want to make ours one that people can pick up and think oh yes that's it's obvious how that works , uh and they also want to look at the price and think oh yeah that's something that I may not need another remote control but uh it's such a nice one I'm gonna have one . And last but not least , or indeed first of all , it it must make the company money , and we make the company money by producing what the consumer wants . 282.32 284.82 298.53 310.27 311.89 313.53 316.86 321.28 ES2012a A MEE045 0 324.897 351.216 324.99 351.03 The uh the further work to be done is i the um the functional design , uh what it uh what it must actually do , the uh conceptual design , uh how we actually present that to the consumer and th the the detailed design i is uh how we get that into production . 332.4 337.54 340.67 351.03 ES2012a A MEE045 0 353.079 371.889 353.18 371.889 Uh now th the main design tool that we have available to us at the moment is is the white board and uh uh let us very quickly do what i what it says in the in the in the prompt slide here , um 370.85 ES2012a A MEE045 0 374.432 382.52 374.45 382.3 In fact I suggest to avoid everybody untangling themselves from the uh the the wires , that we don't do that , um 379.39 381.28 ES2012a A MEE045 0 384.88 401.648 385.58 401.48 So I I everybody knows what whiteboard is so we'll um uh we'll do a virtual drawing on the on on the whiteboard of of your your own uh uh favourite animal , but le let's go round the table , your favourite animal . 398.44 400.41 401.48 ES2012a D MEE048 3 402.639 416.769 402.99 416.64 Um , badger . Uh it's it's got nice contrast with black and white and uh I feel they're underdog kind of status and they're , the 403.35 405.8 416.05 ES2012a A MEE045 0 404.359 405.264 404.53 405.21 Mm and why ? 405.21 ES2012a A MEE045 0 409.026 409.616 409.1 409.57 Uh-huh . 409.57 ES2012a A MEE045 0 415.005 424.336 415.12 424.02 Oh right uh my my wife says my beard looks like a badger's arse 'cause of the the white streaks in it . Kendra . 423.66 424.02 ES2012a C FEE047 2 418.339 434.92 418.339 434.81 Um probably a duck I just I li I like the way they look and they're just nice animals and I like how they can fly or swim or walk around or whatever . 434.81 ES2012a A MEE045 0 433.968 434.336 434.02 434.3 Uh-huh . 434.3 ES2012a A MEE045 0 435.196 436.176 435.42 436.14 Right , okay . 435.8 436.14 ES2012a B FEE046 1 435.952 440.08 436.06 439.74 Uh 's horses , no particular reason why . 437.59 439.74 ES2012a A MEE045 0 437.44 448.656 438.73 448.656 Uh-huh , fair enough yeah . I'm not sure that I've got any favourite animal to be quite honest , I think homo sapien because of their their uh overall ability to uh uh 438.87 440.01 442.25 ES2012a D MEE048 3 448.608 455.294 448.8 454.36 Make mobile phones and T_V_ remotes to make T_V_ remotes . 454.36 ES2012a A MEE045 0 451.341 451.875 451.36 451.59 Sorry ? 451.59 ES2012a A MEE045 0 453.056 455.77 453.08 455.77 Indeed absolutely yes , tha that's um 454.28 ES2012a A MEE045 0 458.62 511.518 458.73 511.38 Okay and uh w we need to keep in mind here that the uh we want to sell this for for twenty five Euro um , we want to m make an overall profit for the the company of fifty million Euros so we're we're looking at selling a lot of these um ag across the the entire planet and and we're looking at a gross profit of fifty percent . It needs to cost twelve Euros fifty to make . Um so we're not only looking at a a very trendy original product , we're looking at making it at a very good price . Um , okay , um would anybody like t like to to start by giving their o um sort of quick views of of current remote controls . 467.95 484.82 488.18 494.27 498.92 501.1 502.2 511.38 ES2012a C FEE047 2 513.136 544.311 513.71 544.22 Well I think I find a lot of them really complicated to use with all the different buttons and uh it's handiest when you have one that works both the D_V_D_ player or whatever and the T_V_ as well . Um , but that it's easy to if you can switch back and forth instead of having to press a bunch of different buttons and so I think it's is best when they're clearly labelled and you can see which buttons you're supposed to use , you know . 526.12 526.68 543.19 544.22 ES2012a A MEE045 0 529.626 530.488 529.9 530.32 No . 530.32 ES2012a A MEE045 0 544.32 550.688 544.34 550.64 Any any thoughts about buttons or any oth other way of approaching the p the uh the problem ? 550.64 ES2012a A MEE045 0 552.016 562.816 552.04 562.58 Or anybody else , strong feelings about remote controls ? Are there you know , bad ones they've used or good ones they've used or ones that they've lost and never found again ? 553.53 555.36 555.89 562.58 ES2012a B FEE046 1 559.606 561.168 559.7 561.168 Um - ES2012a B FEE046 1 562.96 572.88 562.98 572.65 I think it's important that you should be able to when you when you press the buttons it'll actually pick up the signals from kind of anywhere and you shouldn't have to like contort yourself and twist your remote control to get it the T_V_ to actually pick up the signal . 572.65 ES2012a D MEE048 3 571.856 572.256 571.96 572.22 Yeah . 572.22 ES2012a C FEE047 2 572.8 573.296 572.82 573.24 Yeah . 573.24 ES2012a D MEE048 3 574.992 580.96 575.16 580.93 Think a lot of the time , remotes that come with T_V_ players and T_V_s and D_V_ players , like they aren't 575.96 579.98 ES2012a B FEE046 1 579.117 579.549 579.16 579.32 Mm . 579.32 ES2012a D MEE048 3 582.208 591.776 582.23 591.776 like an area that's put a lot of effort into , they're very boring , very plain . Like it's very a very like um making a a stylish remote control would be a very like 583.99 584.66 585.86 ES2012a B FEE046 1 585.915 587.024 586.16 586.38 Mm . 586.38 ES2012a D MEE048 3 592.976 595.378 593.0 595.21 Easily put us one step ahead of the current competition . 595.21 ES2012a A MEE045 0 594.656 599.364 594.74 599.15 Um what so wh what's in in what particular style features are you thinking about ? 599.15 ES2012a D MEE048 3 597.977 599.632 597.977 599.6 Um . 599.6 ES2012a D MEE048 3 600.912 616.352 600.95 616.22 Something that looks looks doesn't look like remote control . So if you want , something that looks like uh something that makes you think oh what's this ? Like this pen doesn't really look like a pen , but it makes you think oh . So , sorry that's a bit vague . 604.51 604.97 608.86 610.46 613.18 614.98 616.22 ES2012a A MEE045 0 610.688 611.072 610.71 611.04 Uh-huh . 611.04 ES2012a A MEE045 0 613.42 623.648 613.42 623.648 . Yeah d no I mean do you think there's a risk if it doesn't look like remote control , people won't see it as a remote control um and uh 613.42 619.63 ES2012a D MEE048 3 624.016 626.72 624.04 626.58 Uh I suppose suppose that's up to the marketing to - ES2012a D MEE048 3 628.064 630.444 628.08 630.27 to make make people aware of the product . 630.27 ES2012a A MEE045 0 630.144 630.996 630.22 630.48 Uh-huh . 630.48 ES2012a A MEE045 0 635.04 641.456 635.07 641.4 Any other thoughts about um th the physical appearance of a of remote controls ? 641.4 ES2012a C FEE047 2 641.52 654.256 641.68 654.14 I think something that's comfortable to hold because sometimes you get the remote controls that are just those big , rectangular things and uh they're kind of awkward to hold onto , so something that's more comfortable that fits in a person's hand better . 647.03 650.2 654.14 ES2012a B FEE046 1 645.968 646.503 646.01 646.32 Mm . 646.32 ES2012a D MEE048 3 647.2 647.497 647.22 647.36 Mm . 647.36 ES2012a A MEE045 0 655.326 687.696 655.66 687.696 I mean th the thing that i immediately comes to mind is computer mouses which um I mean y you get all sorts of shapes in the shops and s you know some quite fancy ones um than the some from personal experience which look nice but aren't particularly comfortable . Um any thoughts about buttons or flat screens or uh uh 677.0 ES2012a B FEE046 1 661.008 661.429 661.03 661.34 Mm . 661.34 ES2012a C FEE047 2 661.76 662.224 661.82 662.19 Yeah . 662.19 ES2012a D MEE048 3 662.624 663.101 662.76 663.04 Yeah . 663.04 ES2012a B FEE046 1 664.752 665.147 664.78 664.98 Mm . 664.98 ES2012a C FEE047 2 668.528 669.104 668.67 669.07 Yeah . 669.07 ES2012a C FEE047 2 676.516 677.04 676.64 677.01 Yeah . 677.01 ES2012a D MEE048 3 689.312 709.552 689.65 709.5 Well from the mouse idea you could , remote is a piece of plastic with the big rubber buttons sticking out of it which you press , whereas if you want could all be flat and the buttons are very kind of almost subtle that instead of being raised out of the device uh you push into device you see , like a mouse button . 692.3 697.64 708.86 709.5 ES2012a A MEE045 0 709.568 718.144 709.59 718.09 Yes , I mean the only thing is if if you're watching television in a in a a darkened room um you need to be able to uh 710.51 ES2012a B FEE046 1 715.68 716.032 715.71 715.99 Mm . 715.99 ES2012a D MEE048 3 716.048 716.789 716.12 716.71 I suppose . 716.71 ES2012a A MEE045 0 719.199 721.68 719.28 721.53 fi find the button buttons easily . 721.53 ES2012a D MEE048 3 719.056 720.518 719.3 720.27 Easily , yeah yeah . 719.6 720.27 ES2012a C FEE047 2 721.664 727.536 722.05 727.5 But maybe they could be concave instead of sticking up to have them be kind of down so you could feel them - ES2012a D MEE048 3 727.344 727.776 727.36 727.55 Mm . 727.55 ES2012a B FEE046 1 727.346 727.811 727.43 727.74 Mm . 727.74 ES2012a C FEE047 2 729.184 730.416 729.3 730.09 better . 730.09 ES2012a A MEE045 0 729.936 752.096 729.96 752.096 Yeah , that's uh must admit I don't think I've ever seen one with concave buttons , that's uh certainly be different . Um do we need it to uh I can't think of any re remote controls that I know of that actually light up at all . Do we do we want uh 730.38 735.81 739.18 749.85 ES2012a C FEE047 2 749.218 751.616 749.218 751.46 Oh yeah . 751.46 ES2012a B FEE046 1 750.258 752.544 750.8 751.92 Mm that would be good . 751.92 ES2012a C FEE047 2 752.464 755.056 752.71 755.01 Like a like a mobile phone ? Yeah . 754.47 755.01 ES2012a A MEE045 0 754.096 754.776 754.12 754.71 Yeah . 754.71 ES2012a B FEE046 1 754.126 754.785 754.41 754.68 Mm . 754.68 ES2012a D MEE048 3 755.648 757.448 755.68 757.25 Mm , yeah that would be good . 755.97 757.25 ES2012a B FEE046 1 755.76 756.032 755.78 755.99 Mm . 755.99 ES2012a A MEE045 0 764.912 779.328 765.65 778.98 Okay . So , Andrew have you had any thoughts yet about how we might market something which there are already millions out there and that we want to uh uh uh t take over the entire 766.73 767.26 ES2012a A MEE045 0 780.448 782.224 780.47 782.1 um the planet with ? 782.1 ES2012a D MEE048 3 781.736 787.76 782.19 787.69 Mm-hmm , um especially if we try to sell , what two million of them . 783.1 786.68 787.69 ES2012a D MEE048 3 790.304 792.569 790.38 792.569 Oh sorry , four million of 'em , but uh 790.96 791.77 ES2012a D MEE048 3 795.552 839.936 795.57 839.78 I think if w if we market it as as not as not well this you c you could either market it as the point of view we could have the two we could have parallel marketing s schemes where you've got one where it appeals to people that want to have the new device that looks cool , is fashionable and like you just it's it's like uh it's one that rather than ra I wan I want rather than a kind of a need relationship with the device , but that might considering the act what the device is for and the nature of some people might not like respond to having a device that they just looks nice , therefore they want it so make it practical at the same time . I think it's this is gonna have to appeal to people that want device that can enhance their living room uh but also a device that uh 810.75 818.63 826.45 830.08 ES2012a B FEE046 1 810.704 810.944 810.73 810.91 Mm . 810.91 ES2012a A MEE045 0 816.432 816.864 816.61 816.78 Mm-hmm . 816.78 ES2012a A MEE045 0 836.576 837.024 836.62 836.9 Mm-hmm . 836.9 ES2012a D MEE048 3 842.336 849.36 842.36 849.33 is practically sound . So um , I dunno we'll have to decide which which angle we're gonna go to or both . 845.41 846.17 849.33 ES2012a A MEE045 0 844.576 844.96 844.64 844.88 Mm-hmm . 844.88 ES2012a A MEE045 0 851.2 866.368 851.23 866.3 Okay , yeah , yeah , well I d I think an any uh any facets that we identify w we aim need to aim for for all of . Um okay well first thoughts on um 851.97 852.67 853.1 861.53 ES2012a D MEE048 3 851.248 851.92 851.27 851.79 If you . 851.79 ES2012a D MEE048 3 861.2 862.608 861.3 862.608 Mm . 862.52 ES2012a A MEE045 0 867.84 869.856 867.86 869.73 the the industrial design side . 869.73 ES2012a B FEE046 1 868.535 892.037 868.535 892.037 Oh I think it's it's remote controls are kind of a unique object 'cause it's you depend on them so much , but you don't i i it's you sort of just assume they're always gonna work , you don't think of them as a comp like a computer can break down and you're kinda like oh well fair enough there's all these complex things going on , it's gonna something's gonna get messed up eventually . They they just need to be very very dependable because people sort of take them for granted and then if your remote control breaks it's 874.7 878.33 882.69 884.61 ES2012a B FEE046 1 892.037 916.691 892.12 916.63 God forbid you actually get up and manually change the channel it just it needs to be very effective , very always dependable . Uh I don't think we should make it too small I 'cause I think it needs to it can't be too big like you were saying big an and huge and um awkward , but also if you make it too small kinda like you know how mobile phones are getting smaller and smaller um , it's just gonna end up under a couch cushion somewhere and um yeah . 897.77 900.0 908.14 912.84 916.63 ES2012a A MEE045 0 893.933 896.659 893.933 896.29 Indeed . 896.29 ES2012a A MEE045 0 914.608 915.008 914.63 914.78 Yeah . 914.78 ES2012a B FEE046 1 918.369 922.096 918.43 921.97 But so yes dependable , and have a good medium range size . 919.58 921.97 ES2012a A MEE045 0 923.856 930.416 923.89 930.35 Okay , and um colours , materials ? 925.46 928.99 930.35 ES2012a A MEE045 0 933.712 934.843 933.73 934.73 Kendra , anyone ? 934.28 934.73 ES2012a C FEE047 2 934.494 973.696 934.494 973.59 Well , most I think most of the remote controls now are either just black or grey , so maybe we should go with something different or be able to I was just thinking of um what they're doing with mobile phones now how you can get the different um what are they called ? Like the face-plates that you change so we could have maybe I don't know if it would be feasible to do something with that , where you can change the face-plates or have kind of a variety so people can get different different things . Have it kind of look how they want to , different colours , things like that , probably just plastic because that's always the lightest . 937.27 941.02 952.58 958.57 965.93 968.09 969.53 970.67 973.59 ES2012a A MEE045 0 951.648 952.448 951.648 952.448 . 952.448 ES2012a A MEE045 0 953.472 953.68 953.49 953.64 Yeah . 953.64 ES2012a B FEE046 1 953.6 955.028 953.62 954.87 Mm , mm-hmm . 954.32 954.87 ES2012a A MEE045 0 961.664 962.0 961.83 961.97 Uh-huh . 961.97 ES2012a A MEE045 0 970.544 971.094 970.58 971.01 Right . 971.01 ES2012a A MEE045 0 973.904 974.672 973.92 974.32 Yeah . 974.32 ES2012a A MEE045 0 976.336 977.968 976.61 977.968 Okay that's uh - ES2012a A MEE045 0 980.576 991.696 980.61 991.54 Again I don't think that's ever been done before , it's uh the sort of the sort of thing that would get people uh thinking yes that's something that I haven't got and uh 982.57 ES2012a B FEE046 1 982.757 983.232 982.89 983.18 Mm-hmm . 983.18 ES2012a A MEE045 0 993.876 1004.4 993.96 1004.36 might need so . Uh Andrew , any thoughts about uh how we might market interchangeable fronts on on the remote control ? 995.17 995.72 1004.36 ES2012a D MEE048 3 1005.376 1015.872 1005.4 1015.82 Um , well we could either market it together by getting control in a set colour or with like you buy it with several 1005.82 ES2012a D MEE048 3 1017.776 1018.848 1017.8 1018.8 uh like - ES2012a D MEE048 3 1019.888 1046.048 1020.01 1046.048 you ge you get the f uh the face-plates with it when you buy or as a separate thing , but uh maybe thinking of that , it's considering the nature of the device , maybe a second thing like a second campaign to market new facials for your to your might go a bit astray since it is the kind of thing where y you generally get one and then forget about it . Unless you were trying to 1025.67 1029.54 1031.76 1045.29 ES2012a B FEE046 1 1036.0 1036.368 1036.03 1036.32 Mm . 1036.32 ES2012a A MEE045 0 1041.36 1041.744 1041.38 1041.71 Yeah . 1041.71 ES2012a A MEE045 0 1045.312 1047.136 1045.33 1047.136 Yeah . I think 1046.61 ES2012a B FEE046 1 1046.24 1060.144 1046.26 1060.08 Well you could come up with like novelty ones , like they've done with the the mobile phones , you can get like different you know scenes from different movies and stuff on the remote control and sorta stagger the release of them and get people like oh I want that cover on it now and that'll keep them spending money . 1047.65 1049.24 1060.08 ES2012a D MEE048 3 1052.032 1052.496 1052.1 1052.32 Mm . 1052.32 ES2012a C FEE047 2 1052.624 1053.024 1052.64 1052.99 Yeah . 1052.99 ES2012a D MEE048 3 1053.648 1055.376 1053.648 1055.26 Oh it's that's a that's a good idea . 1055.26 ES2012a C FEE047 2 1058.56 1059.152 1058.59 1059.12 Yeah . 1059.12 ES2012a A MEE045 0 1059.168 1067.632 1059.28 1067.632 Mm-mm . Right , okay I think we've got um a good idea now . We uh meeting is uh 1060.77 1061.73 1065.95 ES2012a D MEE048 3 1059.237 1059.841 1059.29 1059.69 Mm . 1059.69 ES2012a D MEE048 3 1060.556 1061.456 1060.84 1061.4 Yeah true . 1061.4 ES2012a A MEE045 0 1068.944 1078.048 1070.05 1077.89 Needs to be k uh wrapped up fairly quickly . So uh um we've got thirty minutes to 1072.82 ES2012a A MEE045 0 1079.728 1086.384 1079.75 1086.18 start looking at the um at the design in more detail . Um 1085.25 ES2012a A MEE045 0 1091.627 1096.64 1091.93 1096.53 then we'll we will reconvene in in thirty minutes and try to get some of these ideas uh - ES2012a A MEE045 0 1097.936 1101.52 1097.98 1101.39 uh more formalised . Uh thank you very much indeed . 1099.97 1101.39 ES2012a D MEE048 3 1101.44 1102.096 1101.44 1102.096 . 1102.096 ES2012a C FEE047 2 1101.472 1102.047 1101.52 1101.88 Okay . 1101.88 ES2012a B FEE046 1 1101.565 1102.22 1101.65 1102.04 Thank you . 1102.04 ES2012b A MEE045 0 44.032 48.679 44.37 48.62 Okay , welcome to the second meeting of this uh design group . 44.63 48.62 ES2012b A MEE045 0 49.296 50.416 49.32 49.87 Um - ES2012b A MEE045 0 53.264 56.288 53.264 56.07 I'll briefly go through the uh - ES2012b A MEE045 0 57.664 59.767 57.75 59.24 notes of the of the last meeting - ES2012b A MEE045 0 64.08 88.08 64.11 88.03 uh just done in in note form and I haven't attributed anything to individuals , because we're working strictly as a team here and uh n nobody's working equally , so uh . Um we we s we saw that the the problems with existing remote controls were the uh b a boring shape and boring colour . 69.82 77.27 78.75 88.03 ES2012b C FEE047 2 75.545 76.192 75.73 75.97 Sorry . 75.97 ES2012b A MEE045 0 89.296 99.392 89.32 99.14 Um and and we s we saw that the um what we needed to do was to to make sure the device um controls several items , that switching was easy , 98.04 99.14 ES2012b A MEE045 0 99.919 138.298 100.07 138.2 that you shouldn't need to point the thing at uh anything in particular , um that it need to be contoured to make it interesting , that the keys might be concave , simply because that hasn't been done before that we know of . Um should have interchangeable fascias so people can personalise it , um illuminated so that people can see it in dark rooms . Um and that people might want it as as in addition to their existing remote controls . Um and that it sh it should just always work , whenever you uh um 104.82 110.3 113.67 118.18 122.41 125.97 131.94 135.85 ES2012b A MEE045 0 139.28 144.256 139.47 144.13 mm uh use it . And that it shouldn't be too small , mm that it it gets lost . 140.6 142.32 144.13 ES2012b A MEE045 0 145.328 146.4 145.35 145.97 Um . 145.97 ES2012b A MEE045 0 156.39 157.456 156.46 156.98 Now uh - ES2012b A MEE045 0 158.624 180.813 158.68 180.66 uh I'll shortly ask for for three three presentations . Uh before I do that , however , I will go through some new project requirements that um the the management have placed on us and uh will be challenging in terms of what we discussed at the first meeting . Um the uh 162.34 164.07 164.74 179.0 ES2012b A MEE045 0 181.536 205.056 181.57 205.056 the ma the management has had it's own thoughts on this and uh the they don't necessarily agree with with what we uh we thought . Um and and then we'll as a result of that we will then talk through the the functions that we see the the device um actually b carrying out , and we have uh forty minutes to do this in and I uh 191.49 200.64 ES2012b A MEE045 0 211.952 214.272 212.02 213.74 Anyway . Okay . 213.23 213.74 ES2012b A MEE045 0 217.855 237.904 217.98 237.8 Now , the n the new requirements are um the the management team see that um teletext is no longer of any importance given the uh the rise of the internet . Um and and they want it only to cover televisions . 219.29 233.89 237.8 ES2012b A MEE045 0 238.828 267.325 238.89 266.95 Um now , what is not q quite clear from their directive is whether they mean th they don't want it to cover teletext or whether they don't want it to cover , you know , videos , D_V_D_s , um satellite boxes , which uh I mean we saw as being fundamental to the uh to the exercise . The um the actual wording of the directive is that it should cover television only . 240.08 249.83 250.5 251.04 252.65 256.03 262.2 266.95 ES2012b A MEE045 0 267.625 303.654 267.69 303.46 Um and on that basis um I I think we we need to bear that in mind , um but possibly uh keep at the backs of our minds that the reality that people even when they uh no longer they don't look at teletext anymore , they certainly do look at other things . Um the device has to incorporate the company logo and colours . Um the the logo uh being at b the bottom of the screen there , the the the two R_s in grey against uh a yellow background . 275.85 286.07 288.48 295.49 299.72 303.46 ES2012b A MEE045 0 304.226 335.008 304.25 334.74 Um now this doesn't necessarily mean that we have to give up some of our ideas about making it attractive to the t to the market . But uh do do introduce some some constraints as to how we might do that . Um it also has to be simple , which to some extent goes along w with the first one , and that we've already said that it must be simple 'cause that's what people want anyway . Um but they also want it to be simple to get it to the market quickly , which um 312.74 317.92 320.5 323.46 327.99 333.71 ES2012b A MEE045 0 336.091 352.592 336.28 352.45 mm uh is is is their choice , but uh um we we need to talk that through . Um okay , so uh 339.27 346.11 351.55 ES2012b A MEE045 0 356.72 360.048 357.14 359.88 after the meeting it'll be summarised and uh - ES2012b A MEE045 0 361.552 384.976 361.63 384.94 um notes sent out and uh etcetera . Okay , so we'll first of all mm have individual reports from everybody . Um again I there is no order of precedence here um so I I I'll leave it up to you to who who who thinks they would like to go go first ? 365.77 366.08 372.29 384.94 ES2012b D MEE048 3 387.909 390.386 388.13 390.386 Uh I don't mind . 390.09 ES2012b A MEE045 0 389.632 390.574 389.67 390.52 P fine . 390.52 ES2012b D MEE048 3 392.395 395.456 392.76 394.06 Uh can I steal the cable ? 394.06 ES2012b A MEE045 0 393.926 395.293 394.07 395.08 Oh sorry , you can indeed . 394.48 395.08 ES2012b D MEE048 3 399.144 400.48 399.66 400.05 Cheers . 400.05 ES2012b D MEE048 3 440.769 443.712 440.769 443.61 I got a how do I start there ? 443.61 ES2012b A MEE045 0 443.632 451.712 444.07 451.44 Oh , if you click on the um uh the one that that looks like a projection screen , no the one to the right of that . That one . 444.37 449.54 451.19 451.44 ES2012b D MEE048 3 450.672 468.672 450.78 468.62 That one . Cool . Well these are functionality requirements from the our our guys down in the the research lab . Took hundred people and covered all the aspects of what um is needed by people and what they want to see . 452.82 454.12 462.18 468.62 ES2012b D MEE048 3 471.216 492.368 471.42 492.23 Um everything kinda from functionality and how individual functions are how mu how how often they're used and how much their necessary and stuff . And general opinions about current current remotes . See that , as we kinda noticed , seventy five percent of people find their remote controls ugly . 481.5 485.73 487.12 489.61 492.23 ES2012b D MEE048 3 493.68 507.712 493.88 507.61 So some kind of a new style should be incorporated that's less ugly . Uh along with um looking less ugly , if it looks better , eighty percent of people said they'd spend more money on it . 500.98 504.42 505.55 507.61 ES2012b D MEE048 3 511.216 514.512 511.3 514.39 Which is a a plus for us , if we can make it look better , it'd be uh 512.76 513.86 ES2012b D MEE048 3 515.568 517.161 515.59 516.93 more cost effective - ES2012b D MEE048 3 518.192 519.961 518.22 519.75 and we can put the price up . 519.75 ES2012b D MEE048 3 522.871 528.608 522.94 528.45 Current remote controls do not match the operating behaviour of the user . I can empl I kinda take that to mean as um 526.01 ES2012b D MEE048 3 531.712 532.559 531.79 532.44 they - ES2012b D MEE048 3 533.6 556.928 533.62 556.928 they don't uh they , yeah , they only use they only work for the television or yeah like as in in my flat I've got six remote controls for a stereo system , a digital box , a D_V_D_ player , a video player and T_V_ . If it was uh I mean th my behaviour is to use multiple things at the same time and multiple remotes aren't really matched well to my behaviour . 534.7 534.95 542.58 543.44 544.29 545.51 556.61 ES2012b D MEE048 3 558.08 569.104 558.14 569.05 Uh again , seventy five percent is seventy five percent of users say they zap a lot . I took to mean that they just they use it a lot , they use it regularly rather than standing up and 559.33 562.61 565.12 ES2012b D MEE048 3 570.256 572.416 570.29 572.33 manually change channels or volume . 572.33 ES2012b D MEE048 3 573.68 574.688 573.68 574.63 And uh - ES2012b D MEE048 3 576.175 604.56 576.25 604.44 yeah , uh I think the big issue is fifty percent users only use ten percent of the buttons , 'cause uh wh if we got a remote that like well we'll have some buttons taken off by the lack of teletext , but uh oh and we're going to see uh on the uh that some of the functions like audio settings aren't h hardly ever used and used very aren't considered relevant by the user . So I think maybe fewer buttons , which also make the design look sleeker , I dunno . 576.86 582.13 587.52 600.0 602.22 604.03 604.44 ES2012b D MEE048 3 606.448 608.928 606.55 608.52 Uh um yeah and - ES2012b D MEE048 3 610.805 622.576 610.97 622.54 uh frustrations of like people losing remote control . I dunno maybe some kind of system of you press a button on the T_V_ or maybe that's b it would have to incorporate , but like some kind of system where you can f use something else to find the remote control . 613.91 619.2 622.54 ES2012b A MEE045 0 613.733 614.622 614.05 614.36 Mm . 614.36 ES2012b D MEE048 3 623.568 625.312 623.64 625.09 Maybe like it'll beep or something . 625.09 ES2012b D MEE048 3 627.088 634.08 627.15 634.08 And um , yep , the uh time taken to learn new remote controls is 629.59 630.01 ES2012b D MEE048 3 635.077 639.648 635.24 639.6 Uh don't want to make it too complicated , easy to use for uh new like first time users and stuff . 636.62 639.6 ES2012b D MEE048 3 641.104 655.936 641.12 655.9 And uh repetitive strain injury , I suppose we should make it more comfortable and make ma possibly even use have to make it , yeah , fewer buttons , like I was saying about the whole mice the mouse idea of it feels more comfortable . Maybe don't even have to hold it as such . 644.28 648.26 649.32 650.5 653.79 655.9 ES2012b A MEE045 0 654.119 654.518 654.21 654.38 Mm . 654.38 ES2012b A MEE045 0 656.151 661.57 656.62 661.36 Gosh , must be some telly addicts out there if they get R_S_I_ from their television remote , is all I can say . 656.86 660.62 661.36 ES2012b D MEE048 3 663.344 671.136 663.71 671.07 But uh yeah . It also asked um if we would if people would pay more for speech recognition and younger people say they would . 665.44 671.07 ES2012b D MEE048 3 674.256 688.016 674.28 687.85 And uh there was another section on our on the report for uh L_C_D_ displays , but the data wasn't there , so . I don't actually know what the results for that were , so . May be incrementally emitting , but yeah . 679.84 681.58 681.97 684.91 686.04 687.37 687.85 ES2012b A MEE045 0 681.582 682.935 682.1 682.7 Mm . Right . 682.28 682.7 ES2012b A MEE045 0 684.691 685.349 684.89 685.15 Mm . 685.15 ES2012b A MEE045 0 687.725 701.499 687.94 701.31 Yeah , I must say that um the uh I c can't remember what um f you know phone service I was using the other day , but that had sorta speech recognition which worked uh remarkably well , so that is indeed a uh 688.39 695.87 699.91 ES2012b A MEE045 0 702.688 703.68 702.72 703.42 um - ES2012b D MEE048 3 704.396 709.927 704.42 709.927 And uh it would cut out the R_S_I_ as well if you - ES2012b A MEE045 0 704.382 705.89 704.5 705.89 a thought and it it cuts out uh - ES2012b A MEE045 0 706.724 711.6 707.0 711.44 I was was gonna say , you can't get a lot of R_S_I_ , j just get jaw ache . Okay , sorry . 707.69 709.05 710.93 711.2 711.44 ES2012b D MEE048 3 711.456 721.689 712.2 721.47 Yeah , um oh yeah , so possibly the speech recognition is possibly something could add into the design . Oh , I've got some other things I couldn't fit onto this presentation . 712.72 714.37 718.42 718.87 721.47 ES2012b D MEE048 3 724.112 724.592 724.13 724.46 Um . 724.46 ES2012b D MEE048 3 727.552 740.528 727.72 740.44 You see this okay ? Almost no ? It's sorry it's a bit . I'll read out to you . Uh functionality , uh like people's opinions on functionality , the relevance to the remote and how often they're used . So um 728.51 729.7 730.53 731.84 733.74 735.81 739.61 ES2012b D MEE048 3 741.824 780.352 741.92 780.352 like the power . Using the using the d swi the power switch to switch on T_V_ is a high relevance of nine , but it's not frequently used . You see what I mean ? Whereas channel selection , which is very high relevance is used the most . So m we can maybe even start to cut down on or I was possibly even thinking of a design that maybe some of the buttons are hidden from everyday use . Maybe like uh a folding ledge or something . So that we can maybe go into the channel settings and the audio settings , which are low relevance and rarely used . And keep the v volume selection and channel selection very easily 742.91 747.2 749.91 750.46 751.6 754.94 765.09 767.87 772.01 775.3 ES2012b A MEE045 0 750.456 751.807 750.72 751.807 Yeah . 751.76 ES2012b A MEE045 0 752.665 753.281 752.87 753.22 Mm-hmm . 753.22 ES2012b B FEE046 1 768.365 768.966 768.48 768.79 Mm . 768.79 ES2012b A MEE045 0 780.496 782.816 780.76 782.816 Mm-hmm . I mean 782.06 ES2012b C FEE047 2 781.68 801.473 781.7 801.29 It could be oh uh I was just gonna say uh maybe like the flip phones that they use ? Have you seen the new mo mobile phones that flip out and they have the like texting , and then the numbers on one side , so you could have the most used buttons on top and flip it out or something . Yeah . 788.18 792.4 793.66 800.8 801.29 ES2012b B FEE046 1 788.365 788.868 788.52 788.8 Mm . 788.8 ES2012b A MEE045 0 789.091 790.176 789.091 790.14 Yeah . 790.14 ES2012b D MEE048 3 791.184 792.256 791.2 792.13 Oh yeah . 792.13 ES2012b A MEE045 0 794.2 794.858 794.36 794.63 Mm . 794.63 ES2012b A MEE045 0 797.821 798.56 798.12 798.53 Hmm , hmm . 798.37 798.53 ES2012b B FEE046 1 798.14 798.62 798.24 798.38 Mm . 798.38 ES2012b D MEE048 3 798.034 801.872 798.53 801.73 Yeah , like the one that like slides back and the buttons are concealed underneath . 798.78 801.73 ES2012b A MEE045 0 799.317 800.033 799.89 799.99 Uh . 799.99 ES2012b A MEE045 0 800.851 817.472 801.03 817.472 Should we actually bite the bullet here ? If people really don't use those buttons to any extent at all um remove them altogether . We we could actually have we could actually have a remote control with um 803.69 812.14 ES2012b B FEE046 1 801.486 802.064 801.52 801.75 Mm . 801.75 ES2012b D MEE048 3 809.216 811.154 809.24 811.09 Just remove them completely ? 811.09 ES2012b C FEE047 2 811.632 813.712 811.7 813.712 That might be the - ES2012b A MEE045 0 821.879 829.008 821.9 829.008 I wonder whether we could get the remote control with no buttons at all if we went for voice recognition , given that um the 827.1 ES2012b A MEE045 0 830.768 849.104 830.768 849.104 Um now the the age structure we were looking at um I mean w we had usage by age structure , what we didn't have was what proportion of people using remotes were in those particular age groups . Now do we know whether they 838.32 845.53 ES2012b D MEE048 3 845.936 847.537 845.96 847.04 Uh yeah . 847.04 ES2012b A MEE045 0 850.004 863.152 850.08 863.152 Forty no sorry for forty five to fifty five age group , uh to put myself right in the middle of it , um u use remote controls to a great extent . Yes we 854.43 856.39 862.51 ES2012b D MEE048 3 862.56 866.372 863.11 866.32 Um no this is for pay more for speech recognition . 866.32 ES2012b A MEE045 0 864.256 874.784 864.34 873.95 That would 've speech recogn right . So , we're looking at um well again , we don't know the relative proportion the relative numbers in the age groups . 867.36 867.71 869.78 873.95 ES2012b D MEE048 3 875.088 876.128 875.24 875.74 Yeah , that's true . 875.38 875.74 ES2012b A MEE045 0 875.95 877.472 876.1 877.43 If we wanted something - ES2012b A MEE045 0 879.981 887.928 880.1 887.84 different , truly different , then the buttonless remote control w would be it . 882.26 883.48 887.84 ES2012b B FEE046 1 883.673 884.199 883.88 884.08 P - ES2012b B FEE046 1 886.512 897.722 886.78 897.722 Well the only problem I can think of with that is if you've got a lot of people that don't wanna be bothered learning how to use new rem remote controls . If you just kind of take away everything that they're used to knowing , that's gonna be quite a change . It might 892.1 894.73 897.11 ES2012b A MEE045 0 896.784 900.4 896.8 900.4 But if you just lift it up and say , channel one or B_B_C_ 898.06 ES2012b D MEE048 3 899.168 906.464 899.36 906.464 Or even I mean you could even just have it left on . You could just put it down once on top your T_V_ and never have to 903.61 ES2012b C FEE047 2 903.68 904.177 903.7 904.06 Maybe i - ES2012b C FEE047 2 906.64 915.188 906.66 915.06 Yeah , have a big kind of like the satellite box or the cable box and have it just go on the T_V_ and then it doesn't matter where in the room you are , you won't lose it . 906.85 914.08 915.06 ES2012b D MEE048 3 914.234 914.859 914.28 914.78 Yeah . 914.78 ES2012b B FEE046 1 914.264 914.825 914.49 914.75 Mm . 914.75 ES2012b A MEE045 0 915.495 935.2 915.63 935.17 It c well it I can I can see technical problems with that in terms of the , you know , the sound from the television , because if somebody actually on the television says uh uh , you know , I_T_V_ and you're watching B_B_C_ then then it might um change itself , so it probably needs to be um possibly actually need a button on it 919.88 920.09 921.21 924.71 925.3 931.51 ES2012b B FEE046 1 918.432 918.886 918.46 918.78 Mm . 918.78 ES2012b C FEE047 2 919.236 920.336 919.46 920.21 No . 920.21 ES2012b D MEE048 3 922.384 924.928 922.384 924.928 B_B_C_ one . 924.77 ES2012b B FEE046 1 922.747 925.963 923.0 925.963 Yeah . 925.44 ES2012b C FEE047 2 923.355 926.576 923.355 926.576 Oh . 926.07 ES2012b B FEE046 1 928.328 928.927 928.46 928.76 Yeah . 928.76 ES2012b C FEE047 2 932.832 933.84 932.85 933.49 Yeah , that's true . 932.97 933.49 ES2012b A MEE045 0 936.076 953.369 936.19 952.98 just to activate it . Or or something just to identify that you've lifted it up and it's use . And and then just say , oh I don't know , a thought and and then uh I mean that that would certainly be uh truly different . 937.76 943.63 944.85 946.96 952.98 ES2012b D MEE048 3 936.08 936.731 936.21 936.64 Oh yeah . 936.64 ES2012b C FEE047 2 943.989 944.839 944.27 944.6 Yeah . 944.6 ES2012b A MEE045 0 954.592 961.2 954.592 960.95 Um 'cause uh you know audio settings , nought point eight percent . I mean if they weren't there , 958.57 960.07 960.95 ES2012b D MEE048 3 962.864 963.968 962.99 963.87 Mm-mm . 963.87 ES2012b A MEE045 0 963.138 964.592 963.138 964.43 would people miss them ? 964.43 ES2012b B FEE046 1 964.512 968.592 965.02 968.48 But look at the importance of them . The volume settings . 967.36 968.48 ES2012b D MEE048 3 970.272 971.834 970.29 971.73 Relevance of two out of ten , yeah . 971.46 971.73 ES2012b A MEE045 0 971.494 996.384 971.76 996.28 Vol volume , yes um th w we need to s identify things that people actually need and and it's a function of frequency and relevance . And um I would say ignoring ig ignoring power for the moment , um the channel and volume and th w w given given that we've been told to ignore teletext . Uh channel and volume are the only ones that 972.76 982.38 986.98 993.75 ES2012b B FEE046 1 971.792 972.564 972.03 972.45 Yeah . 972.45 ES2012b B FEE046 1 973.426 977.488 973.49 977.44 They're not used often but they are quite important when they're used . Yeah . 977.14 977.44 ES2012b B FEE046 1 989.488 989.968 989.53 989.92 Mm . 989.92 ES2012b D MEE048 3 993.136 993.744 993.43 993.71 Yeah . 993.71 ES2012b A MEE045 0 997.422 1000.128 997.422 999.82 uh would appear to be essential . 999.82 ES2012b D MEE048 3 997.896 998.884 997.96 998.57 Stand out . 998.57 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1001.392 1002.384 1001.41 1002.07 Um . 1002.07 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1003.872 1008.336 1003.89 1008.29 So we if we can design something that that looks interesting , 1008.29 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1009.632 1024.256 1009.66 1024.1 know , or looks different , um incorporates the the logo and and the colours and um we can still have our interchangeable fascias even if it's the yellow and grey , um 1009.84 1011.59 1023.49 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1025.392 1030.272 1025.41 1030.04 and uh I dunno , buttons or or buttons as an option . 1027.15 1030.04 ES2012b D MEE048 3 1030.352 1045.104 1030.52 1045.05 Uh I just had a thought actually , sorry to interrupt . Uh you were saying about um it could technical problems of like uh someone on the television saying a channel number and it changed we could maybe have like an activation 1031.52 1032.43 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1032.224 1033.535 1032.26 1033.42 Do , please . 1032.93 1033.42 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1041.772 1042.489 1041.94 1042.42 Mm-hmm . 1042.42 ES2012b D MEE048 3 1046.4 1047.088 1046.42 1046.76 word . 1046.76 ES2012b D MEE048 3 1048.48 1055.752 1048.5 1055.3 'Cause I've seen I've seen this used on computers before , where you just you address the remote , you address the computer , and then give it a command . 1050.42 1052.29 1053.49 1055.3 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1048.846 1050.638 1048.9 1050.3 You cer certainly could . 1050.3 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1051.82 1052.437 1051.93 1052.24 Mm . 1052.24 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1054.477 1059.056 1054.54 1058.91 Depe uh i depends whether um if we want to make this - ES2012b A MEE045 0 1060.672 1065.664 1060.69 1065.49 so simple that anybody can walk into the room and lift it up and say - ES2012b D MEE048 3 1065.616 1068.528 1065.76 1068.45 Oh I see . Oh yeah , I see . 1066.21 1066.78 1068.45 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1067.28 1070.8 1067.3 1070.75 B_B_C_ one . Um okay , I mean you could 1068.9 1070.19 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1071.968 1073.542 1071.99 1073.41 print actually print it on the uh - ES2012b D MEE048 3 1073.568 1075.168 1073.568 1075.13 Mm-hmm , yeah . 1074.92 1075.13 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1074.677 1076.203 1074.91 1076.06 device itself . 1076.06 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1077.072 1077.54 1077.09 1077.5 Um . 1077.5 ES2012b D MEE048 3 1077.216 1081.362 1077.24 1081.27 I mean I'm just thinking of the point of view of peop you could still like lose this remote . 1081.27 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1081.376 1089.168 1081.4 1089.168 S th this I th that's always gonna be a problem I think . Um and I I I s so I suppose one um 1085.4 ES2012b D MEE048 3 1084.64 1085.424 1084.67 1085.36 Mm . 1085.36 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1093.44 1101.12 1093.46 1101.12 could make it so desirable that if people lose it they immediately go out and buy another one . Anyway , sorry , carry on . Do you want to just carry on with 1097.76 1098.26 1098.96 1099.53 ES2012b D MEE048 3 1101.184 1103.384 1101.2 1102.89 Oh no I I interrupted you , sorry . 1102.68 1102.89 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1101.875 1107.001 1102.03 1107.001 or no no , no uh b I was in the middle of in the middle of your report there . 1103.04 1106.46 ES2012b D MEE048 3 1104.848 1105.613 1104.97 1105.51 Oh okay . 1105.51 ES2012b D MEE048 3 1106.784 1119.632 1107.15 1119.6 Um well , I was just kinda wrapping up there . Yeah , I was thinking um , yeah , maybe such things are relevant . We could make things much more f I think the the eighty percent of people would spend more on uh a remote uh that looks better , 1107.97 1108.96 1109.14 1111.28 1111.74 1113.39 1119.6 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1109.23 1110.218 1109.51 1109.99 Mm okay . 1109.99 ES2012b D MEE048 3 1120.896 1147.344 1120.92 1147.3 combined with uh decrease the or take out the limited functio functions that we don't really use much . alright take out teletext , but as for channel settings and stuff it might it might um turn people somewhe peop some people that want the whole functionality away . But , since if we're marketing a more kind of fashionable approach then it'd it would be fashion and fashion over practicality . 1129.42 1130.66 1139.81 1140.69 1147.3 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1142.912 1143.424 1143.0 1143.29 Mm-hmm . 1143.29 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1148.976 1158.149 1149.03 1158.149 S s we could we could make it dual function voice recognition and still have buttons on it um 'cause we're - ES2012b D MEE048 3 1154.288 1155.392 1154.288 1155.07 Oh , we could , yeah . 1154.58 1154.86 1155.07 ES2012b D MEE048 3 1156.496 1164.208 1156.89 1163.87 We c yeah , we could even have it as like a yeah the buttons control this and the voice functions control the f things that you would do all the time , so . 1157.26 1163.5 1163.87 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1164.224 1167.437 1164.224 1167.39 Certainly could . Yeah , yeah . 1166.43 1167.01 1167.39 ES2012b D MEE048 3 1166.064 1172.112 1166.11 1172.112 So uh yeah , if we could uh power on and channel selection and and volume selection , wouldn't have to really 1166.72 1171.09 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1166.177 1166.767 1166.39 1166.5 Mm . 1166.5 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1172.352 1175.792 1172.37 1175.66 The I mean the the advantage of doing away the buttons altogether is it makes the thing cheaper . 1175.66 ES2012b D MEE048 3 1176.138 1178.784 1176.67 1178.75 Yeah and probably it would look better as well . 1178.75 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1178.704 1184.408 1178.72 1184.18 No , it cou certainly opens up the possibility for making it uh , you know , visually very distinctive . 1178.8 1182.48 1182.81 1184.18 ES2012b D MEE048 3 1184.144 1186.048 1184.3 1186.01 Yeah . yeah . 1185.77 1186.01 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1185.504 1189.792 1185.53 1189.69 Um 'cause you know , it does not have to be a oblong box . 1186.27 1189.69 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1190.144 1190.71 1190.17 1190.43 Mm . 1190.43 ES2012b D MEE048 3 1191.427 1193.52 1191.46 1193.52 Lined with numbered buttons and - ES2012b A MEE045 0 1192.518 1193.436 1192.79 1193.29 Mm , yeah . 1192.91 1193.29 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1194.962 1198.477 1194.98 1198.39 Okay , who sorry , have you have you finished there Andy ? Yep , yep . 1195.72 1196.81 1197.82 1197.98 1198.39 ES2012b D MEE048 3 1196.627 1198.61 1197.32 1198.54 Uh yeah , yeah , that's everything . 1197.73 1197.9 1198.54 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1198.913 1206.894 1198.93 1205.66 Um given that we've already had a extensive discussion uh . 1205.66 ES2012b C FEE047 2 1207.184 1210.384 1207.22 1209.53 Okay well , I can do mine . 1207.98 1209.53 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1208.749 1209.186 1208.88 1209.02 Hmm . 1209.02 ES2012b D MEE048 3 1210.88 1211.552 1210.94 1211.52 Do you want the cable ? 1211.52 ES2012b C FEE047 2 1211.616 1217.231 1211.7 1216.72 Yeah , let's see if I can make this work . Um . 1212.49 1215.4 1216.72 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1235.978 1238.736 1236.6 1238.68 Oh , you have to hit like function and F_ something . 1236.66 1238.68 ES2012b C FEE047 2 1238.704 1239.728 1238.73 1239.68 Oh . 1239.68 ES2012b D MEE048 3 1239.056 1240.304 1239.08 1239.72 F_ eight . 1239.72 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1239.744 1241.297 1239.76 1241.03 F_ eight . 1241.03 ES2012b C FEE047 2 1245.56 1246.736 1246.02 1246.736 Is it doing - ES2012b B FEE046 1 1249.472 1250.4 1249.472 1250.35 Dunno . 1250.35 ES2012b D MEE048 3 1250.416 1252.608 1250.63 1252.21 Uh , give it about twenty seconds , or so . 1250.88 1251.89 1252.21 ES2012b C FEE047 2 1252.528 1253.008 1252.56 1252.92 Okay . 1252.92 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1253.92 1255.398 1254.01 1255.398 Ah , there we go . 1254.3 1255.17 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1253.978 1255.064 1254.19 1254.94 Oh yeah , it's going . 1254.45 1254.94 ES2012b C FEE047 2 1254.177 1255.496 1254.26 1254.65 Oh okay . 1254.65 ES2012b C FEE047 2 1261.632 1293.932 1261.632 1293.84 Okay , so this is just about the technical functions . So the method , I looked online for examples of other similar products and then just kind of was trying to brainstorm some possible design ideas and um identify what the necessary things are , what people are what you really wanna have a remote control do . Um and then there are two different kinds that I found . There's a user centred one and an engineering centred one which I will have pictures of and then we kinda have to decide which one this should be . 1262.87 1266.34 1267.54 1279.55 1283.13 1286.09 1293.84 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1264.883 1265.689 1265.02 1265.45 Alright . 1265.45 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1290.944 1291.344 1290.98 1291.3 Mm-hmm . 1291.3 ES2012b C FEE047 2 1295.469 1337.883 1295.469 1337.82 So these are the two different ones . This one um this is the user centred , it has uh quite a few mm uh um fewer buttons and then this is the engineering centred , which has a lot more buttons , and probably this is one that people complain about , about having too many buttons that you don't use . So basically , what a remote control is is you it's to send messages to the television set , you know , turn on , off , switch the channels and the volume and things such as that . And so for this product it's gonna be television only , and then it has to have the uh logos 1300.0 1302.66 1310.87 1312.46 1315.59 1319.28 1321.41 1326.09 1326.59 1327.26 1327.9 1331.25 1334.2 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1311.955 1312.817 1312.17 1312.64 Mm-hmm . 1312.64 ES2012b C FEE047 2 1338.75 1363.54 1338.92 1363.46 for the company and the colours . And so , for my personal preferences , I think this one is easier to use and has quite a you know , fewer buttons . Um we want something that sends messages easily to the television and I was kind of wondering about this example that they have . It looks kind of narrow at the top , and I was thinking maybe if it were wider at the top , then that would be easier . 1341.47 1342.19 1343.54 1347.31 1348.32 1356.91 1358.66 1362.2 1363.46 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1360.992 1362.369 1361.2 1362.13 Mm , yeah . 1361.89 1362.13 ES2012b C FEE047 2 1364.213 1391.583 1364.25 1391.45 Um and so we have to decide what's gonna make our product different . E the unique style , maybe have it light up so it's visible in the dark , um the changeable face-plates , and the lighting up and visible I was when we were talking about havi losing it , maybe to have a button on the television that you press and it maybe if it makes a noise or lights up or something like that , so it's easier to find if someone has hidden under the couch or something like that . 1368.58 1370.84 1373.52 1375.68 1379.97 1386.28 1391.45 ES2012b C FEE047 2 1392.9 1396.272 1393.56 1396.23 So that's my presentation . 1396.23 ES2012b C FEE047 2 1397.014 1397.705 1397.25 1397.47 Yeah . 1397.47 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1397.344 1405.712 1397.36 1405.712 Okay , can I um I'm actually gonna use the um it's gonna cause great technical problems over here . I'm actually gonna use the 1398.21 1404.24 ES2012b C FEE047 2 1414.592 1418.598 1414.93 1418.5 F they probably clip to you . 1418.5 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1416.704 1421.504 1416.8 1421.47 Oh yeah , they might be movable . Oh yeah , they're all they're not connected to anything on the table , you just leave 'em on and walk around with 'em . 1417.12 1418.14 1418.52 1420.16 1421.47 ES2012b D MEE048 3 1417.162 1418.182 1417.3 1417.84 Yeah . 1417.84 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1443.866 1464.832 1444.1 1464.78 Yes , rather than the uh the the traditional in fact , um I won't even go that far . Um something like this shape , you know , sort of something that you can that's sort of a more vertical shape , um that you you sort of hold in your hand , um , well I'm trying to think 1444.25 1447.81 1450.18 1455.96 1456.17 1459.94 1463.39 1464.05 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1465.872 1477.28 1465.9 1477.25 uh uh uh l uh l such as I mean um something you hold up like that , possibly with a couple of buttons like that , but with the the entire top with the , you know , the uh the infrared or whatever source . 1470.43 1472.39 1474.33 1474.59 1477.25 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1472.352 1473.216 1472.61 1472.88 Mm . 1472.88 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1478.011 1479.76 1478.1 1479.73 Uh so that you know , it's 1479.16 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1480.832 1489.058 1480.85 1488.78 flying off in all directions , so that uh um uh again the n need to look at the the the technicalities of um 1482.15 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1480.832 1481.556 1480.96 1481.27 Mm . 1481.27 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1491.84 1504.48 1492.48 1504.43 actually achieving that in terms of whether the , you know , the power requirements of the uh such a source , um you know , compromise the our our need for uh you know , it it being 1494.48 1494.66 1498.65 1499.43 1503.65 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1505.163 1506.928 1505.2 1506.85 um mm permanently - ES2012b A MEE045 0 1509.008 1533.824 1509.18 1533.43 uh you know , available . Uh whether whether different technology um I mean th all all these remotes are presumably infrared , and like they have been for a long time . Uh we we possibly need to be looking at at at something different , um you know , short range , not like the old uh radio remote controls where you'd change next door's telly when you change yours . Um 1510.43 1511.16 1518.42 1520.63 1523.9 1525.58 1526.26 1532.68 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1535.6 1555.318 1535.62 1555.15 but uh uh I think basically i if we're going for i if minimum number of buttons is our priority , then we should , as I say , r know , really bite the bullets and and reduce the buttons to absolute minimum , you know , possibly with backup channel and volume buttons and on off . Um and nothing else . 1541.52 1543.72 1544.43 1544.73 1548.83 1549.0 1553.45 1555.15 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1555.952 1571.568 1555.952 1571.32 Um so that it can al it could uh almost end up like that , but again , except that um you know the risk of losing it . Um anyway okay um so Kate , wh what are your uh your thoughts on this ? 1561.87 1562.44 1564.94 1567.78 1571.32 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1567.478 1569.52 1567.74 1569.52 Yes , mm . 1568.14 1568.96 ES2012b C FEE047 2 1568.509 1569.982 1568.95 1569.63 Oh . 1569.63 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1572.383 1574.5 1572.6 1573.88 Which one does this plug into ? 1573.88 ES2012b C FEE047 2 1573.984 1577.628 1574.01 1577.24 Hmm I think it's all there . 1577.24 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1576.969 1578.08 1577.13 1577.57 That one . 1577.57 ES2012b C FEE047 2 1579.814 1580.37 1579.85 1580.27 H - ES2012b B FEE046 1 1605.191 1607.994 1605.49 1607.994 I can't did you could you see it on you screen when it - ES2012b C FEE047 2 1607.34 1614.176 1607.9 1614.12 Oh yeah . That's kind of strange . 1611.22 1614.12 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1612.096 1620.848 1612.12 1620.81 That's not cool . Oh well . Anyways . Um alright , yeah , so um I'll just do my presentation on the working design uh . 1614.51 1614.94 1615.74 1617.14 1617.32 1620.81 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1624.896 1626.384 1624.896 1626.34 Oh there we go . 1626.34 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1627.44 1670.817 1627.9 1670.817 Okay um just at the m yeah the whole sort of method of how the remote control works . Uh the basic function of the remote control is to send messages to another sh system , the the T_V_ or the D_V_D_ player or whatever . Um and it does this uh by well , you need to start off you need an energy source and this energy source will feed into an integrated circuit chip and the circuit chip is the part that actually composes the different messages uh within the remote um which will then be sent to the uh the television , the D_V_D_ to tell that what to do . Um and you need a user interface , which controls the chip and thus the messages and uh the user interface is that's basically just you kn the s sorta design of the actual remote which you hold in your hands and what buttons will be on it . Um 1633.08 1636.6 1639.26 1641.39 1655.12 1657.15 1658.85 1669.72 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1673.227 1697.776 1673.3 1697.61 Oh shoot . Okay . Uh just general findings . Uh what we need uh technically speaking for the remote control is some sort of energy source , uh some sort of user interface , which I think we've mostly been talking about the user interface and the design of that . Um a circuit chip within that to uh control and send the messages and um a sender and receiver . 1677.44 1678.27 1680.11 1685.3 1686.95 1690.78 1697.61 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1701.978 1705.592 1702.3 1705.42 And um oops . Uh-huh . 1704.93 1705.42 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1707.008 1737.92 1707.03 1737.87 This is just sort of a little schematic diagram of what we're looking for . Uh this just kinda represents the energy source which feeds into the circuit chip uh which maybe then we could have that feed into a switch which would send signals f to um a subcomponent and on to a light bulb between so it'll light up once we start once you start pressing buttons . Um also send signals to the um infrared bulb , which will be the part that actually what ? Sends signals to the the television . And then you've got your happy little T_V_ watcher there . 1710.1 1725.75 1729.77 1732.62 1735.65 1737.87 ES2012b D MEE048 3 1710.56 1711.063 1710.7 1710.81 Hmm . 1710.81 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1739.877 1782.171 1741.01 1781.69 And so my personal preferences I I just think we need sorta big uh energy source that won't die out , uh perhaps some sort of rechargeable battery or a battery dock you could place it in , so it'd constantly be charged , so you wouldn't have to uh be worrying about it running out of batteries and not changing channels for you . Uh a wide range uh sender-receiver , so that you can hit the buttons from basically anywhere in the room , and the channel'll still be changed . Uh also definitely a user-friendly interface um and I think we've all sort of mentioned adding a a locating device on it , so when it does get stuck under the couch cushions , as they inevitably do , you can find them easily . And that's pretty much it . 1746.81 1750.85 1751.95 1757.3 1759.55 1762.48 1764.98 1772.17 1774.01 1774.87 1780.53 1781.69 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1782.176 1783.232 1782.29 1782.88 Okay . 1782.88 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1784.448 1809.142 1784.75 1809.06 Uh it seems seems to me there are a number of fundamental decisions to make before we um I think your point about the the big energy source is uh a very valid one . Um I don't suppose we've got any statistics on the the life expectancy of uh remote controls , particularly sort of independent ones . Um given 1797.46 1804.57 1807.66 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1788.009 1789.928 1789.17 1789.928 Mm . 1789.52 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1794.068 1794.562 1794.15 1794.33 Mm . 1794.33 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1810.052 1828.819 1810.16 1828.65 you know , the number of things you buy these days , which you know , have a a a lithium whatever battery in , that's uh , you know never needs replacing . Um perhaps we should have the the disposable remote control , uh um you know , one some sort of typical usage . You know , the the the battery will last 1810.35 1812.78 1813.31 1815.41 1816.08 1818.85 1822.2 1825.14 1827.1 1827.29 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1829.616 1831.373 1829.64 1831.26 know , five , ten years . 1829.78 1830.45 1831.26 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1832.32 1836.053 1832.34 1835.98 By which time I mean when all's said and done , the digital television 1834.86 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1836.992 1841.165 1836.992 1841.12 will be taking over in that time scale . Um 1840.58 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1838.228 1838.767 1838.39 1838.65 Mm . 1838.65 ES2012b D MEE048 3 1839.566 1840.476 1840.04 1840.2 Mm-hmm . 1840.2 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1841.949 1849.204 1842.05 1849.204 uh uh p perhaps we should , know , reduce the uh , you know , the sort of moving parts even more by not even having a battery compartment and uh 1842.97 1843.11 1844.24 1844.42 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1848.21 1852.337 1848.4 1852.2 Just having one that's guaranteed to last five to ten years ? Oh , cool . 1851.31 1851.94 1852.2 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1850.864 1870.081 1850.88 1869.91 Yeah , and if if anybody manages to run it down , we'll we'll give 'em a new one . Um it's , you know , it's what it saves in cost and you know there there's a well , it's actually a marketing gimmick . I mean it's hardly a gimmick , it's uh it's totally practical . Uh so I th think you know the idea of a rechargeable one is um 1851.24 1853.09 1855.21 1857.21 1857.48 1862.5 1863.68 1864.63 1866.78 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1853.12 1856.064 1853.12 1855.62 Yeah , fair enough . 1854.65 1855.62 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1871.312 1879.147 1871.34 1879.147 uh unless you're really high tech and it sort of just recharges itself if it's n by , you know , magnetic waves or whatever , if if it 1876.01 1876.36 1877.6 ES2012b D MEE048 3 1878.096 1884.241 1878.12 1883.84 It could have like uh know like a cordless phone in your house it s got like a base that sits there all the time . 1883.84 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1882.422 1886.829 1882.65 1886.61 Yeah . Are are people really gonna use it though ? Um . 1883.72 1886.13 1886.61 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1882.653 1883.999 1882.79 1883.77 Mm , mm . 1883.41 1883.77 ES2012b D MEE048 3 1885.648 1887.088 1885.648 1887.05 I suppose , yeah . 1886.88 1887.05 ES2012b C FEE047 2 1885.44 1892.4 1885.81 1892.37 Yeah , people are pro I would think that people might forget I mean people forget to put their cordless phones back on there , so . 1886.12 1892.01 1892.37 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1886.633 1887.712 1886.73 1887.33 Mm yeah . 1887.33 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1889.275 1890.843 1889.64 1890.843 I I th I think - ES2012b B FEE046 1 1891.84 1892.528 1891.92 1892.16 Mm-mm . 1892.16 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1892.448 1904.512 1892.52 1904.41 Yeah , it's um I mean I know that somei times my my wife goes out in the morning and says oh I should have put the phone on to charge and then then she's had those for so long that if she hasn't worked that out by now . Um . 1892.88 1903.86 1904.41 ES2012b D MEE048 3 1892.759 1893.297 1892.759 1893.13 Yeah . 1893.13 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1898.652 1899.424 1898.78 1899.32 Mm . 1899.32 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1904.999 1915.232 1905.03 1915.232 'Cause I only remember to charge my cell phone uh when battery dies . And that's pretty much yeah . Yeah , when it turns itself off , that's when I plug it in , yeah . 1908.62 1910.99 1911.27 1912.26 1913.57 1915.03 ES2012b C FEE047 2 1908.272 1910.171 1908.272 1909.53 Yeah . 1909.53 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1909.552 1921.808 1909.57 1921.75 When it yeah , wh when it's died is a problem . Yeah , yeah , yeah , so uh um what so wh what what do we think about the um the the permanent mm battery ? 1909.96 1911.85 1912.28 1913.3 1914.36 1921.75 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1921.808 1924.08 1921.83 1923.89 Yeah , think that's a good idea . 1922.79 1923.89 ES2012b D MEE048 3 1922.853 1925.072 1922.97 1925.04 Uh . That sounds pretty good , yeah . 1923.1 1924.85 1925.04 ES2012b C FEE047 2 1922.16 1923.521 1923.26 1923.32 No . 1923.32 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1925.44 1934.086 1925.46 1934.0 Is the uh you know , we we we are really going for the ultimate in ex uh external simplicity here . Um you know , cut cost within the 1926.41 1931.46 1932.79 ES2012b C FEE047 2 1925.672 1927.076 1926.62 1926.79 Um . 1926.79 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1929.752 1930.846 1930.01 1930.81 Mm . 1930.81 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1934.992 1936.686 1935.01 1936.54 manufacturing and uh - ES2012b A MEE045 0 1938.368 1942.8 1938.56 1942.72 you know , if we have a high tech interior , then then that that sh may well be cost effective . 1938.87 1940.26 1942.72 ES2012b C FEE047 2 1942.994 1945.325 1943.27 1944.99 Do they make batteries that last that long ? 1944.99 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1945.616 1953.984 1945.64 1953.94 I mean th th certainly . Um I can't think of anything off the s top of my head , but there are certainly things that you buy . I mean calculators for example . 1946.72 1950.76 1952.47 1953.94 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1954.64 1961.504 1954.66 1961.504 They usually have the little light uh source , I dunno what the heck they're called , the but yeah , the little cells that 1958.47 1959.56 1960.19 ES2012b C FEE047 2 1958.515 1960.016 1958.58 1960.016 Yeah , they have that little solar 1958.71 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1960.288 1968.288 1960.288 1968.288 Som well some do , I mean th th but there are battery ones that um are you know , sort of permanently sealed . In in fact I'd 1961.79 1965.36 1967.21 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1962.256 1962.992 1962.28 1962.63 Yeah . 1962.63 ES2012b D MEE048 3 1964.036 1964.549 1964.17 1964.4 Mm-hmm . 1964.4 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1965.024 1966.0 1965.04 1965.87 Mm . 1965.87 ES2012b C FEE047 2 1966.768 1967.456 1966.79 1967.27 Yeah . 1967.27 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1968.03 1984.944 1968.58 1984.91 Most of them , don't they have sort of a combination of the two , like when there is light , they'll work off the light , and if there isn't , they'll kick into this battery , so we can maybe do something like that whereas there is a battery , but if there's enough light , then it's using the light , so that it's not actually draining the battery all the time , but you will have the battery there for when you need it . 1968.96 1970.52 1971.34 1972.38 1973.24 1974.47 1977.51 1978.77 1979.93 1982.24 1984.91 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1972.186 1973.76 1972.67 1973.76 Yeah , uh uh 1973.33 ES2012b C FEE047 2 1981.551 1982.324 1981.93 1982.29 Mm . 1982.29 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1983.92 1991.786 1983.94 1991.68 Yeah , I I mean th th this needs going t into the technology a bit . I mean the the actual time that a remote control is actually operating 1984.46 1987.5 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1986.464 1987.433 1986.62 1987.4 Mm . 1987.4 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1991.264 1992.429 1991.64 1992.37 Mm . 1992.37 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1992.8 1993.888 1992.9 1993.85 I would think is - ES2012b A MEE045 0 1995.024 1998.532 1995.04 1998.36 i is is probably , you know , no more than minutes in its entire life . 1995.91 1996.12 1998.36 ES2012b B FEE046 1 1999.195 2008.688 1999.8 2008.688 Oh , it depend if it's uh depends who who's using it , who's just sitting there clicking clicking clicking clicking , yeah . Yeah , then they're clicking a lot , yeah . 1999.89 2002.58 2005.19 2006.31 2006.92 2007.8 2008.58 ES2012b A MEE045 0 1999.698 2002.577 1999.81 2002.577 Um . 2002.29 ES2012b C FEE047 2 2002.486 2004.816 2002.72 2004.816 Yeah , some people are 2003.27 ES2012b A MEE045 0 2003.704 2010.64 2003.91 2010.54 If , but I say if if people are getting R_S_I_ from it then uh then uh then then perhaps we're looking at the wrong market n 2003.99 ES2012b C FEE047 2 2006.626 2009.184 2006.85 2008.98 Yeah . Yeah . 2008.02 2008.98 ES2012b D MEE048 3 2009.36 2017.888 2009.38 2017.81 W like like this um this uh market research thing says number of times per hour that it's used , channel selection a hundred and sixty eight 2016.32 ES2012b C FEE047 2 2018.352 2020.624 2018.352 2020.59 Per hour ? 2020.59 ES2012b D MEE048 3 2018.48 2019.804 2018.62 2019.61 times per hour . 2019.61 ES2012b A MEE045 0 2018.916 2019.646 2019.06 2019.54 Right . 2019.54 ES2012b B FEE046 1 2019.351 2025.074 2019.37 2024.99 Yeah . Yeah . 2024.74 2024.99 ES2012b D MEE048 3 2020.794 2022.922 2020.794 2022.63 Yeah . 2022.63 ES2012b C FEE047 2 2021.444 2026.073 2022.1 2026.073 Wow . That's a lot . 2023.49 2025.43 ES2012b A MEE045 0 2025.088 2029.728 2025.11 2029.6 Oh , I must admit I hadn't um I'd I'd missed that . That does sound excessive . 2025.25 2028.26 2029.6 ES2012b D MEE048 3 2030.56 2035.136 2030.58 2035.136 But then again , if you think it of the amount of , you know amount of use it's like 2031.07 2033.13 ES2012b A MEE045 0 2035.952 2036.336 2035.97 2036.3 Yeah . 2036.3 ES2012b D MEE048 3 2036.256 2039.168 2036.28 2039.11 That's it's less than a second , um . 2038.84 2039.11 ES2012b B FEE046 1 2036.839 2039.184 2037.04 2038.8 Yeah . Yeah . 2038.16 2038.8 ES2012b C FEE047 2 2038.016 2038.698 2038.04 2038.61 Yeah . 2038.61 ES2012b A MEE045 0 2039.776 2048.112 2039.8 2048.08 Well that's right , and and I I don't I don't even know whether the I don't even know whether the s the signal lasts as long as you actually keep the button pressed , or whether it's just a 2040.31 2046.53 ES2012b B FEE046 1 2045.059 2045.836 2045.16 2045.54 Mm . 2045.54 ES2012b D MEE048 3 2047.946 2049.723 2047.946 2049.64 Yeah . 2049.64 ES2012b A MEE045 0 2049.279 2055.208 2049.4 2054.82 sorta tenth of a second , no matter how long you press it for , I don't know I don't actually know . Um . 2050.77 2052.24 2054.37 2054.82 ES2012b C FEE047 2 2053.92 2066.368 2054.33 2066.2 Though I think with digital T_V_ , like I know on my cable box , you're not supposed to do that because the channel can't keep up with it if you just press it like that , so you're supposed to use the menu and go through the different 2056.75 2058.57 2062.63 ES2012b A MEE045 0 2061.548 2062.148 2061.68 2061.99 Yeah . 2061.99 ES2012b B FEE046 1 2061.688 2062.566 2061.88 2062.49 Mm . 2062.49 ES2012b A MEE045 0 2064.706 2065.388 2064.84 2065.15 Mm-hmm . 2065.15 ES2012b D MEE048 3 2064.752 2065.216 2064.88 2065.18 Mm-hmm . 2065.18 ES2012b C FEE047 2 2067.536 2069.536 2067.66 2069.536 channels that way instead of - ES2012b A MEE045 0 2071.168 2072.016 2071.28 2071.95 Mm . 2071.95 ES2012b A MEE045 0 2077.616 2090.608 2077.65 2090.45 Right , so I've got a message to say five minutes , I dunno how long ago that appeared . Um 'cause we're we're getting um right , so I'd I need to sum up very quickly here um . We're looking at extreme simplicity . 2077.98 2079.34 2081.13 2084.7 2088.85 2090.45 ES2012b C FEE047 2 2081.158 2082.193 2081.45 2082.14 Uh-oh . 2082.14 ES2012b A MEE045 0 2092.015 2093.152 2092.23 2093.04 We're looking at a - ES2012b A MEE045 0 2094.151 2095.599 2094.2 2095.43 radically different shape . 2095.43 ES2012b A MEE045 0 2097.2 2102.496 2097.22 2102.37 Possibly no buttons at all um , but if you can incorporate um 2100.23 ES2012b A MEE045 0 2103.376 2122.248 2103.4 2122.17 channel change and volume buttons um in into the design , then then that's fine . Um in the I mean the the role of the of the um the user interface des designer becomes b you know more important here , because , you know , shape is no longer an 2107.47 2110.42 2120.43 2120.8 2121.01 ES2012b A MEE045 0 2122.872 2133.353 2122.97 2133.07 a uh um a serious constraint . But we clearly only need th the main buttons , although , uh if clearly only need the main functions . 2127.16 2130.48 2131.01 2133.07 ES2012b A MEE045 0 2134.716 2148.889 2134.74 2148.62 Um I don't see why we shouldn't go for voice recognition um and the the only buttons that I think we need are channel control , volume control and on off . 2145.61 2148.62 ES2012b A MEE045 0 2150.784 2163.584 2150.8 2163.55 Um it needs to incorporate the corporate logo , uh the the grey and yellow colour scheme and there's no reason why we can't introduce um interchangeable 2155.41 ES2012b A MEE045 0 2164.833 2173.192 2165.11 2172.91 uh covers . Um uh d so does that accurately summarise what we've discussed ? 2167.53 2172.91 ES2012b D MEE048 3 2173.872 2174.29 2173.92 2174.23 Yeah . 2174.23 ES2012b C FEE047 2 2173.91 2175.472 2174.05 2174.36 Yeah . 2174.36 ES2012b B FEE046 1 2174.391 2175.928 2174.55 2175.81 Yep . Hmm . 2175.54 2175.81 ES2012b A MEE045 0 2175.84 2176.448 2175.84 2176.31 Right . 2176.31 ES2012b C FEE047 2 2176.734 2178.976 2176.87 2178.976 Um - ES2012b A MEE045 0 2179.849 2180.641 2179.91 2180.641 So uh - ES2012b C FEE047 2 2181.13 2189.536 2181.43 2189.39 Oh I just have one question . So are we doing just the television or are we doing so not D_V_D_ players , we okay , okay . 2182.73 2188.72 2189.06 2189.39 ES2012b A MEE045 0 2181.437 2182.987 2181.437 2182.85 Yeah . 2182.85 ES2012b A MEE045 0 2185.502 2188.448 2185.57 2188.39 We are doing just the television . No . 2188.1 2188.39 ES2012b A MEE045 0 2189.968 2193.118 2190.0 2192.85 I think that's quite clear from the the information that we've been given , no ? 2192.68 2192.85 ES2012b B FEE046 1 2191.808 2192.768 2191.98 2192.64 Mm . 2192.64 ES2012b C FEE047 2 2192.86 2193.936 2193.11 2193.9 Okay . 2193.9 ES2012b D MEE048 3 2193.984 2199.936 2194.06 2199.84 Yeah , like in the email of television only . In fact they're in the constraints email that I got . 2194.51 2196.39 2199.84 ES2012b A MEE045 0 2200.272 2200.896 2200.35 2200.82 Right . 2200.82 ES2012b D MEE048 3 2201.008 2203.056 2201.13 2203.01 Didn't you mention the teletext , just television only ? 2202.22 2203.01 ES2012b A MEE045 0 2202.5 2212.768 2202.75 2212.768 Oh yeah well th that's one I s that's one I sent you , which which was my interpretation of uh of the uh what came down from from head office . Um 2204.76 2210.78 ES2012b B FEE046 1 2203.077 2203.599 2203.24 2203.52 Mm . 2203.52 ES2012b C FEE047 2 2203.424 2204.08 2203.44 2203.81 Yeah . 2203.81 ES2012b D MEE048 3 2205.584 2207.576 2205.62 2207.37 Oh okay . Oh yeah . 2207.0 2207.37 ES2012b B FEE046 1 2205.961 2207.838 2206.45 2207.838 Yeah . 2207.65 ES2012b C FEE047 2 2206.988 2208.624 2207.75 2208.41 Oh okay . 2208.41 ES2012b B FEE046 1 2208.592 2209.125 2208.62 2208.99 Okay . 2208.99 ES2012b A MEE045 0 2216.346 2220.377 2216.346 2220.26 That's that that that that's their uh their view . 2220.26 ES2012b A MEE045 0 2221.504 2227.99 2221.52 2227.87 Okay , so uh we can all give some thought to that uh for for the next meeting , thank you very much indeed . 2222.04 2226.67 2227.87 ES2012b C FEE047 2 2226.848 2227.664 2226.93 2227.16 Okay . 2227.16 ES2012b B FEE046 1 2227.586 2228.462 2228.01 2228.25 Cool . 2228.25 ES2012c A MEE045 0 12.128 61.023 15.36 61.023 Alright ? Alright . Thank you for coming to this third meeting of the uh uh design group . Um I think we uh made some definite progress at the last one um and come up with some interesting uh uh w suggestions for our our new remote control . Um I'll again very quickly uh just present some notes of that meeting . Um the the the problem with existing remote controls , we felt , was that they're ugly um and that people are prepared to pay a premium for something better . Um they've got lots of buttons on them that uh people don't use and find difficult to learn . Um and people lose them . And 16.08 16.57 21.48 34.25 40.4 45.66 46.27 52.21 57.71 59.83 ES2012c A MEE045 0 61.53 114.245 61.65 114.245 We we thought that f for our our new uh uh remote control that everybody will want to rush out and buy , um that we're we should look at speech recognition rather than r rather than buttons , and that if we have any buttons they should be very few of them and only for those functions that are actually identified that that people use . That um we want to go for uh a long lasting battery that we gua we guarantee for the life of the uh uh the product and a shape that will be instantly recognisable , A_ um as uh a trendy remote control , and and B_ as uh a Real Reaction product . So that w uh when people are uh happy with that , they will they will want to buy uh everything else from us . Uh 69.84 76.22 84.39 96.44 100.01 103.84 108.36 113.47 ES2012c A MEE045 0 119.024 120.768 119.56 120.53 Okay . 120.53 ES2012c A MEE045 0 124.019 148.224 124.12 148.13 So again um , I'll we'll have the three three presentations from the the the three of you and then uh we'll we'll make a a final a final uh decision . Um and the the decisions that we need to to make today , finally , are um what energy source we want to use , whether i it is practical to use uh um 126.03 138.18 141.47 141.95 145.17 ES2012c A MEE045 0 149.207 177.364 149.29 177.25 a a a long lasting one . And uh I I think our discussion was around the fact that uh if we're gonna go for uh a long lasting power supply , then basically it's uh sealed for life and uh if anybody does manage to run one down , we'll we'll give them another one . And uh it it'll be uh , you know , prominently displayed as part of the th the advertising literature that it's um um , you know , for life , guaranteed for life . 151.35 158.2 163.64 166.18 167.79 167.93 174.75 175.67 176.21 177.25 ES2012c A MEE045 0 178.06 203.298 178.08 202.96 Um now the the the internal chip um and uh this is where I need uh uh Kate's expert advice and given that th this has to to go to market as quickly as possible um d d do we go for a custom designed chip ? Or or do we buy one off the shelf and and programme it ourselves ? Uh I mean I'm I'm I'm 195.65 200.7 ES2012c A MEE045 0 204.529 224.288 204.8 224.25 n not an expert on these things , but presumably , there must be loads of 'em already on the market that we can modify . But uh that that's uh that's your area of expertise . And then the uh , you know , the the overall design of the case uh is is is Kendra's field and uh 206.13 206.79 210.41 215.79 217.2 217.42 ES2012c A MEE045 0 225.584 232.311 225.584 232.23 we we had some discussions last time as as to uh how we might go forward and we'll we'll finalise those - ES2012c A MEE045 0 233.36 242.32 233.39 242.28 uh da today . Um and thi this is all linked in with the the the user interface , whether we p um 237.05 240.92 ES2012c A MEE045 0 243.312 248.24 243.312 247.67 go for voice , buttons , or or a bit of both . Uh 244.36 244.84 247.33 ES2012c A MEE045 0 249.392 258.832 249.41 258.49 and then uh , you know , f for the next meeting Kate will be looking at the the the s the look , feel and design , Kendra the uh 251.29 251.53 255.04 256.45 ES2012c A MEE045 0 259.888 284.794 260.17 284.75 ho how the the user actually uses it and and Andrew of course the the product evaluation . And uh Kate and Kendra will be producing a a model for us to uh to look at . Uh so , if if we can have the the three presentations again please , and uh um p perhaps you'd like to start uh k . 265.63 275.14 276.2 279.87 284.75 ES2012c B FEE046 1 283.468 286.322 283.468 286.322 Okay . Um 285.44 ES2012c A MEE045 0 285.318 286.404 285.44 286.01 Kate . 286.01 ES2012c A MEE045 0 289.008 292.086 289.31 291.93 Oh I'm sorry , oh sorry . 290.11 291.93 ES2012c B FEE046 1 290.053 292.611 290.08 292.44 Um p there we go . 292.44 ES2012c B FEE046 1 313.936 320.608 313.936 320.608 'Kay , I'll just be talking about the components design . And 315.23 318.26 ES2012c B FEE046 1 323.429 358.114 323.429 358.114 Okay , basically I just uh looked at what exactly do remotes do . Uh basically they wait for you to press a key or give a voice command and then this is translated uh into uh light signals which are then seen by the T_V_ . Uh the materials we're gonna need to look at uh the two big ones are the integrated circuit chip and the battery and the in integrated circuit chip uh works in conjunction with a a diode transistor or resonator , uh two more resistors and a capacitor and the battery works in conjunction with a resistor and a capacitor . Um . 324.22 327.18 336.82 348.64 355.56 357.33 ES2012c B FEE046 1 360.19 388.64 360.3 388.51 Uh basically what happens is you'll press a number or give a voice command and this creates a a connection within the the remote that allows the chip the chip then senses this connection and produces a signal in a Morse code format . This signal's sent to the transistor which amplifies it and then sends it on to the light emitting diode and uh which is then trai changed into a infrared light which is sent to the T_V_ and sort of seen by the T_V_ and which uh changes the channels . 373.25 388.51 ES2012c B FEE046 1 389.261 395.696 389.261 395.64 Um . Oh . Uh cool . 392.75 394.58 395.64 ES2012c B FEE046 1 403.895 416.591 403.895 416.45 Uh so as for how we should end up uh using this in our remote uh t couple of main questions are the buttons . Uh y the fewer buttons you have , I guess the fewer internal connections and internal codes you're gonna need . Um 410.67 412.03 415.91 ES2012c B FEE046 1 417.379 438.186 417.51 438.15 however uh to n not have buttons or to use a voice commands instead of buttons might make these connections more difficult and uh raise the production cost . That's something we should think about . Also we have to work within the company constraints , and the company has informed me via email that uh they're experts at pushbuttons and that seems to be the most uh cost-effective way of producing it . 425.91 427.58 429.82 438.15 ES2012c B FEE046 1 438.779 459.003 438.88 458.94 Um also with battery connections the company has some limits on the batteries we can use , so I was thinking perhaps a combination of solar cells with a back-up basic battery and somehow between the combination of that two we might be able to come up with something that uh will last the the lifetime or the five to ten years and we could still keep that original idea . 443.57 458.94 ES2012c B FEE046 1 459.655 499.941 459.655 499.8 Um we also need to look at the chips , uh v custom-designed versus off the shelf , and the custom-designed will give us much more flexibility and enable us to incorporate the voice function that we all uh seem to have agreed upon . Um , however that's gonna cost more , but uh the off the shelf is gonna be uh cheaper and it's gonna be allow us to produce it quicker and get out there faster , but it's going to be less flexible with the features , especially things like uh voice activation , which haven't really been used much on remotes , so there's not really chips out there that would be easy to uh to convert , so if we were uh definitely gonna go with the the voice option we'd probably have to design um our own chip . And that pretty much sums it up . 461.46 464.97 472.4 472.68 473.85 479.26 481.79 484.05 486.27 489.69 496.94 499.8 ES2012c A MEE045 0 499.664 506.56 499.68 506.47 Okay , so how um sorry , can you uh just put that one back up again , please ? Um . 500.51 502.63 504.44 505.86 506.47 ES2012c B FEE046 1 502.089 505.952 502.62 505.84 Mm . Oh yep , sorry . Yep . 503.03 503.44 504.89 505.84 ES2012c A MEE045 0 508.061 515.784 508.3 515.42 Uh d d d okay , I mean uh inevitably a b a custom design chip is gonna be more expensive . Do we do we know uh by how much ? 509.85 513.02 515.42 ES2012c B FEE046 1 512.768 513.276 512.94 513.17 Mm . 513.17 ES2012c B FEE046 1 514.661 518.926 514.661 518.926 Um I don't actually have any price information , no . 517.88 518.77 ES2012c A MEE045 0 518.352 522.576 518.39 522.48 And and do we know how long it'll take to uh develop a a custom chip . 522.48 ES2012c B FEE046 1 522.832 539.16 522.86 539.16 Um it a lot longer than an off the shelf chip . Oh w yeah , we did the the problem is the the the voice technology is not really highly developed , it's sort of still still in an ex experimental form , uh so it would uh it's hard to predict the time . 526.21 526.83 531.0 533.95 539.03 ES2012c A MEE045 0 530.256 532.16 530.29 532.1 Right , okay . 531.61 532.1 ES2012c A MEE045 0 537.968 554.992 537.99 554.88 Right , I think we need to make a a decision here . Uh given that the company wants this on the market quickly and cheaply , that would appear to uh effectively constrain us to an existing chip and thus therefore conventional button technology . 539.05 542.15 546.85 554.88 ES2012c B FEE046 1 545.742 546.347 545.91 546.05 Mm . 546.05 ES2012c A MEE045 0 556.0 561.456 556.02 561.42 Um uh now before we go round everybody else , does anybody um 559.4 ES2012c C FEE047 2 562.464 563.364 562.76 563.364 I - ES2012c A MEE045 0 562.608 565.6 562.81 565.45 h have any have anyti ha anything to say about that ? 565.45 ES2012c C FEE047 2 565.696 591.307 565.72 591.25 I just have a question about that . Um does it make a difference if there are just a few commands , for example if you um can pre-programme in like numbers one through ten and pre-programme say , you know , nine channels and then just use the voice recognition to say channel one and then you've programmed in say B_B_C_ four as your channel one , as your favourite , it's like to have a certain number of favourites um and that w 567.19 571.31 578.01 578.25 586.6 587.34 ES2012c B FEE046 1 590.176 603.728 590.2 603.45 W just to to incorporate the voice activation in it is is sorta the trick . Once you've got the whole voice chip in there , then it's pretty much the the world the the sky is your limit , but to actually the the big step is to actually get the voice activation chips in there and working . 594.29 596.1 598.62 603.45 ES2012c C FEE047 2 594.286 597.428 594.35 597.3 Okay . Then it doesn't matter . Okay . 595.74 596.71 597.3 ES2012c C FEE047 2 601.241 602.108 601.48 602.0 Okay . 602.0 ES2012c A MEE045 0 604.608 619.424 604.67 619.424 Cause uh I must say I find it slightly surprising given that , you know , mobile phones incorporate voice activated dialling . So uh um I mean I d d for slightly different well no , I mean , it's if you you 607.76 607.9 612.99 618.04 618.33 ES2012c C FEE047 2 612.895 613.725 613.58 613.67 Yeah . 613.67 ES2012c A MEE045 0 620.512 633.072 620.53 633.04 speak somebody's name and it'll dial the number for you , so uh bu I mean the this this information is from is this is the internal company information , is it ? 623.77 632.82 633.04 ES2012c B FEE046 1 632.016 633.798 632.04 633.58 Uh bits of it , yeah . 633.17 633.58 ES2012c A MEE045 0 634.784 635.472 634.81 635.472 So uh - ES2012c C FEE047 2 634.32 640.608 635.07 640.32 Of course mobile phones do tend to be more expensive , you know , hundred and fifty pounds or something . 638.46 638.79 640.32 ES2012c B FEE046 1 637.536 638.552 637.56 638.27 Yes , as well . 637.98 638.27 ES2012c C FEE047 2 641.952 646.461 641.97 646.29 As opposed to the twenty Euros , twenty five Euros . 645.36 646.29 ES2012c A MEE045 0 642.608 650.244 642.63 650.05 Yeah , mm true , again but if it's without any without any uh p price informations that's uh difficult to uh 643.31 644.18 ES2012c A MEE045 0 651.52 652.864 651.58 652.64 uh decide . 652.64 ES2012c D MEE048 3 652.075 656.188 652.075 656.15 Also lots of mobile phones have got a lot of technology in them , not just that , so . 654.68 655.45 656.15 ES2012c C FEE047 2 652.004 653.107 652.25 652.66 Yeah . 652.66 ES2012c B FEE046 1 654.878 655.504 654.9 655.23 Mm . 655.23 ES2012c A MEE045 0 655.424 666.0 655.44 665.76 Yeah , that's that's right . It's like it's it's you can't 'cause mobile phones are expensive , you can't say it's the voice recognition bit that is . But we don't know . Um . 655.86 656.67 659.85 663.1 665.07 665.76 ES2012c C FEE047 2 661.166 662.016 661.166 661.84 Yeah . 661.84 ES2012c A MEE045 0 667.648 668.704 667.648 668.63 I mean uh - ES2012c A MEE045 0 669.712 679.6 669.84 679.48 I su i I mean if given that the um the technology is not well developed and and given that it's it's never been done before , um th th the double risk , 677.14 679.48 ES2012c A MEE045 0 680.736 691.402 680.78 691.26 uh perhaps we ought to uh stick to uh to buttons , since the last thing we want to do is present a product that doesn't work . Um . 686.35 690.7 691.26 ES2012c A MEE045 0 695.056 695.808 695.08 695.46 Thoughts ? 695.46 ES2012c C FEE047 2 701.288 704.343 701.87 704.3 Well , another thought I oh , sorry , go ahead . 702.06 703.32 703.6 704.3 ES2012c D MEE048 3 701.89 702.484 702.09 702.484 Would - ES2012c D MEE048 3 704.224 705.962 704.37 705.85 Oh I was just gonna say mayb maybe it sh - ES2012c D MEE048 3 706.784 707.408 706.82 707.408 like um - ES2012c D MEE048 3 708.896 711.792 708.93 711.76 maybe we can like cut corners somewhere else to bring in over cost . 711.76 ES2012c A MEE045 0 712.926 717.824 712.926 717.67 I mean do w do we think that the voice technology is fundamental to the project ? 717.67 ES2012c B FEE046 1 720.48 736.719 721.57 736.719 Uh it's fundament well I mean I guess it it's something we've discussed uh since the the sort of the beginning , so I th I think in in our in our minds it's it's fundamental , but I don't know that the uh the upper echelons of the company would necessarily agree with that , so I think you have to 726.92 729.82 734.7 ES2012c A MEE045 0 735.632 736.757 735.99 736.757 I mean I think we - ES2012c C FEE047 2 834.896 836.352 835.27 836.2 Oh yeah . 836.2 ES2012c A MEE045 0 845.138 845.887 845.2 845.55 Mm . 845.55 ES2012c B FEE046 1 845.057 845.591 845.35 845.56 Hm . 845.56 ES2012c C FEE047 2 849.136 849.776 849.16 849.61 Okay . 849.61 ES2012c C FEE047 2 851.152 856.144 851.17 855.9 Well , I kinda think if we're gonna have the voice recognition for part of it , then maybe we should have it for the whole thing . 851.35 854.48 855.9 ES2012c A MEE045 0 856.064 858.704 856.08 858.704 Yeah , I I I I I think that's uh 856.38 ES2012c B FEE046 1 856.764 857.354 856.93 857.03 Mm . 857.03 ES2012c C FEE047 2 858.624 863.471 858.64 863.32 And we've been talking about it the whole time . Anyway , I'm I'm incli kinda inclined to say that we should just go for it . 860.02 860.22 863.32 ES2012c B FEE046 1 859.587 860.658 859.71 860.42 Mm , mm . 860.22 860.42 ES2012c A MEE045 0 859.696 860.512 859.72 860.48 Yeah , yeah . 860.34 860.48 ES2012c A MEE045 0 862.576 863.92 862.6 863.71 Mm , right , okay . 862.91 863.39 863.71 ES2012c B FEE046 1 863.232 863.822 863.41 863.65 Mm . 863.65 ES2012c D MEE048 3 863.525 870.112 863.9 870.05 Uh yeah , it's the second most important aspect to users that the device should be technologically innovative . 864.3 870.05 ES2012c C FEE047 2 870.704 871.372 870.89 871.34 Yeah . 871.34 ES2012c D MEE048 3 871.76 876.304 871.99 876.27 From uh my presentation show , so . Uh technologically innovative . 873.66 874.74 876.27 ES2012c A MEE045 0 873.168 874.512 873.19 874.512 Yeah , it should be 873.77 ES2012c A MEE045 0 876.432 878.047 876.45 877.88 Right , okay , so . 876.88 877.42 877.88 ES2012c B FEE046 1 878.075 880.226 878.46 880.06 No , that sounds good . Mm . 878.93 879.98 880.06 ES2012c A MEE045 0 878.844 904.16 879.03 903.82 Fine . Okay . I it will have voice recognition um uh if if that means uh if that means we can't afford buttons but I mean b b second question , do we need the five buttons for channel change , up down , volume up down and on off , just as a a backup or just so that people can uh j j just sit there pressing buttons ? 879.64 880.53 891.82 893.99 895.14 898.63 903.82 ES2012c B FEE046 1 881.722 883.403 881.8 883.23 Mm . Cool . 882.97 883.23 ES2012c C FEE047 2 882.412 883.52 882.66 883.05 Okay . 883.05 ES2012c B FEE046 1 900.4 901.316 900.42 901.316 Um - ES2012c C FEE047 2 901.569 902.444 901.85 902.25 Yeah . 902.25 ES2012c B FEE046 1 902.314 904.658 902.36 904.53 Yeah , I I would say we do , yeah . 902.88 904.13 904.53 ES2012c C FEE047 2 904.08 905.282 904.21 905.21 I think so . 905.21 ES2012c A MEE045 0 907.152 908.576 907.17 908.03 Right . 908.03 ES2012c A MEE045 0 913.696 923.328 913.72 922.68 Okay . Sorry , d did you want to say anything ? No ? Okay . Shall we move rapidly on to uh Kendra ? Uh um ra rapidly move the cable over . 914.42 914.72 915.93 916.32 916.66 919.68 922.68 ES2012c B FEE046 1 915.584 918.008 915.6 917.73 Uh nope , that was it , that was it . Okay . 915.94 916.37 917.37 917.73 ES2012c C FEE047 2 918.112 918.688 918.13 918.43 Okay . 918.43 ES2012c C FEE047 2 922.874 925.152 922.874 924.89 Let's see . 924.89 ES2012c A MEE045 0 931.246 931.819 931.42 931.73 Mm . 931.73 ES2012c A MEE045 0 935.184 936.275 935.64 935.95 Oh good . 935.95 ES2012c C FEE047 2 938.032 939.104 938.07 939.05 Oh . 939.05 ES2012c C FEE047 2 941.416 943.088 941.52 943.03 Yes . 943.03 ES2012c C FEE047 2 949.874 951.024 950.02 950.84 Is it gonna work ? 950.84 ES2012c B FEE046 1 950.74 952.341 950.95 951.99 Yeah , it's thinking about it . 951.09 951.99 ES2012c A MEE045 0 951.024 953.42 951.05 953.3 Mm yeah , it'll get there . Yep . 951.67 952.5 953.3 ES2012c C FEE047 2 953.068 993.024 953.16 992.98 Okay . Okay , so I did some research on the internet and um what you know , the interf user interface are just aspects that are seen by users , um commands and mechanisms for the operation , and there're just kind of a variety of choices . Um findings , so a lot of times they tend to look cluttered and these were just a couple examples of um different kinds that are a little bit more unusual . There're some special ones available , like this one right here , which is marketed towards children , um different designs , and one of the things that n we need to watch out for is a V_ in volume because people some 956.39 956.91 961.81 966.18 968.76 971.93 973.38 982.34 983.79 984.79 987.18 988.22 ES2012c B FEE046 1 954.018 954.818 954.14 954.49 Yeah . 954.49 ES2012c A MEE045 0 975.792 976.8 975.83 976.76 Mm-hmm . 976.76 ES2012c A MEE045 0 982.565 983.398 982.7 983.2 Mm , yeah . 983.02 983.2 ES2012c A MEE045 0 984.971 985.577 985.08 985.51 Uh-huh . 985.51 ES2012c A MEE045 0 986.745 987.62 987.22 987.57 Alright . 987.57 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1004.592 1028.912 1004.592 1028.28 Bring a little picture of what I thought ours could look like . So just kind of minimise the clutter , avoid too many buttons and also um one of the things that people have used is a slide button , like you have on a mouse , that possibly we could use that on the sides for volume , for example , have the slide button on the side , and then you can pre-programme the channels , the voice recognition and then the voice response sample locator . 1008.31 1010.41 1016.09 1017.27 1020.36 1021.03 1022.68 1024.38 1028.28 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1009.968 1010.546 1010.01 1010.33 Mm-hmm . 1010.33 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1018.761 1019.316 1018.94 1019.16 Mm . 1019.16 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1023.322 1025.136 1023.322 1024.89 Mm yeah . 1024.89 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1026.352 1040.177 1026.37 1040.01 Sorry y y yeah , if I can interrupt you . Well d p 'kay , do you wanna say anything about um slide controls ? I mean I think the reason everybody uses pushbuttons is that they're they're si simple , cheap and reliable . 1028.03 1029.28 1030.8 1033.85 1037.69 1040.01 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1031.13 1031.644 1031.27 1031.39 Mm . 1031.39 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1036.66 1037.33 1036.71 1037.33 Uh - ES2012c B FEE046 1 1038.584 1048.81 1038.66 1048.81 Uh I think they're they're about the same cost really . I I mean , I think it's just sort of the the there's a lot of slide buttons out there . I think it's pretty much the same sort of connection . Mm yeah . 1041.09 1041.58 1045.55 1047.68 1048.68 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1046.928 1048.811 1046.97 1048.68 Okay , fair enough , fine . 1047.74 1048.35 1048.68 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1048.848 1063.232 1049.75 1062.85 Just because I n for example if I'm using a mouse I like to be able to slide it up and down so I thought it might be good for volume to just be able to kind of roll it and then have the up and down and then the this is my great little drawing . 1062.85 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1053.644 1054.194 1053.76 1053.95 Mm . 1053.95 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1054.56 1055.02 1054.58 1054.84 Yeah . 1054.84 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1056.672 1058.224 1056.7 1058.12 Good , good . 1057.91 1058.12 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1060.096 1060.752 1060.12 1060.45 Yeah . 1060.45 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1061.679 1067.04 1061.7 1067.04 So three three there's three buttons on a slider . Three buttons , channel up channel up down and 1065.01 1065.58 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1065.135 1066.944 1065.41 1066.84 Y yes , yes . 1066.14 1066.84 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1065.584 1086.864 1065.75 1086.79 Well , if you g if you if you got a channel up down , we can have a slider in that as well . Because if it if you no if you notice on the thing it it kind of like has got kind of if you you know it s kind of like sticks , if you know what I mean , up like one unit , if you see what I mean . So it kinda goes up one , then y like you can keep rolling it up , but it's like like like like a cog or something . So you kinda take it up one at a time . 1066.3 1068.22 1069.97 1077.46 1078.12 1079.43 1080.72 1081.61 1083.02 1085.37 1086.79 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1080.032 1080.832 1080.05 1080.4 Yeah . 1080.4 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1080.175 1080.932 1080.49 1080.74 Mm . 1080.74 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1084.745 1085.494 1084.96 1085.33 Uh-huh . 1085.33 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1087.664 1089.591 1087.95 1089.591 Okay . Um 1089.12 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1088.624 1101.367 1088.64 1101.3 The only advantage I was thinking of to having the buttons , like the buttons on one side for the channel , and then the slider is that if you're just holding in your hand , and you pick it up , it's easy to n s know , okay , this is just the volume and this is the channel . 1092.08 1094.16 1096.92 1097.51 1099.03 1099.26 1101.3 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1088.976 1089.338 1089.11 1089.21 D - ES2012c A MEE045 0 1093.88 1094.486 1094.02 1094.34 Mm-hmm . 1094.34 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1098.147 1099.05 1098.147 1098.9 Oh . 1098.9 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1100.288 1103.818 1100.49 1103.73 This one on the one side and one yeah . Okay . 1103.09 1103.73 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1100.513 1104.272 1100.513 1104.272 Uh you could you could as l as like a mouse you could - ES2012c B FEE046 1 1102.049 1110.256 1102.21 1110.22 Ye yeah , 'cause I've definitely picked up remotes and like meant to change the channel and turn the volume , or vice versa , so it'd be kinda good to have them be feel completely different . You'd know what you were fiddling with . 1102.76 1105.91 1106.61 1108.75 1110.22 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1104.48 1104.88 1104.5 1104.78 Yeah . 1104.78 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1105.984 1106.896 1106.0 1106.46 Yeah . 1106.46 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1106.864 1107.296 1106.88 1107.15 Yeah . 1107.15 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1110.821 1111.291 1110.84 1111.06 Yeah . 1111.06 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1110.96 1113.664 1111.08 1113.664 Yeah , like the shape of it almost like a mouse , with a 1111.26 1112.71 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1111.296 1120.592 1111.32 1120.49 Yeah , or yeah uh th th the I mean thi this is what the we have to come up with is the the actual shape that people can ins instantly pick it up and and know know uh know what it's going to do . 1111.63 1120.49 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1111.34 1112.305 1111.56 1112.305 That was - ES2012c B FEE046 1 1118.084 1118.968 1118.22 1118.49 Mm . 1118.49 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1120.528 1121.264 1120.55 1120.86 Yeah . 1120.86 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1121.92 1128.038 1121.94 1127.93 Okay , so we we're looking at sliders for both a uh volume and channel change 1122.3 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1128.899 1135.791 1129.59 1135.791 Um well I was thinking kind of just for the volume , but what what do you guys think ? We could 1132.77 1135.33 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1131.072 1133.737 1131.09 1133.69 of one sort . Just for the volume , uh . 1132.66 1133.42 1133.69 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1132.985 1133.625 1133.2 1133.51 Mm . 1133.51 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1133.424 1133.68 1133.44 1133.55 Dep - ES2012c D MEE048 3 1134.704 1144.109 1134.72 1143.94 I dunno if it depending on the final shape of it , 'cause you could have like , I dunno , it looks like you can c control the volume with your thumb , and then you could control the buttons with your fingers . 1137.04 1138.91 1139.96 1142.12 1143.94 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1142.44 1144.803 1142.6 1144.4 Yeah , yeah . 1144.05 1144.4 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1143.001 1149.607 1143.19 1149.607 Yeah , 'cause if yeah , in that kinda position the fingers would be better for pressing and the that for rolling , just the way it would 1144.17 1144.76 1148.32 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1143.439 1145.291 1143.54 1145.291 Fingers , yeah . I mean it's it's 1143.89 1144.33 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1147.104 1166.888 1147.12 1166.56 It yeah , I mean it it it seems to me that uh it uh it al also has the advantage that it it the two are clearly different , um that there's no no possibility of uh confusing the two . So okay . Right so uh that's sorry is that that all you want to say at the mo okay , fine . 1147.56 1154.06 1159.0 1160.99 1166.31 1166.56 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1147.502 1148.065 1147.79 1147.84 B - ES2012c C FEE047 2 1149.27 1150.096 1149.37 1149.8 Yeah . 1149.8 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1152.979 1155.277 1153.19 1155.12 Mm yeah , yeah , yeah . 1154.02 1154.86 1155.12 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1153.44 1154.112 1153.53 1153.86 Yeah . 1153.86 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1153.763 1155.033 1154.07 1154.89 Oh yeah , yeah . 1154.58 1154.89 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1159.12 1161.383 1159.3 1161.35 I'm just gonna pass this along . 1161.35 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1165.312 1166.16 1165.33 1165.81 Yes . 1165.81 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1167.488 1169.707 1167.72 1169.707 Yeah . 1169.3 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1199.08 1200.054 1199.69 1199.86 Mm right . 1199.86 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1206.928 1224.448 1206.96 1224.29 Here we go . Uh yeah , this is my report on trend watching . The data's come off internet uh from executive summary for us on the top three things wanted by the consumer . And we got reports from Paris , Milan on new fashions . 1208.97 1209.52 1212.44 1221.03 1222.11 1224.29 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1207.886 1209.12 1208.04 1208.84 Right . 1208.84 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1211.033 1211.74 1211.15 1211.44 Mm-hmm . 1211.44 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1227.607 1229.024 1227.88 1228.88 And uh - ES2012c D MEE048 3 1230.096 1234.896 1230.12 1234.83 the most important aspect is the l the look it has to look fancy , look and feel 1234.25 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1234.669 1235.477 1234.89 1235.24 Mm-hmm . 1235.24 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1236.303 1257.008 1236.56 1257.008 uh instead of the current functional look and feel . This is a st well I was gonna say yeah twice as important as the second aspect , which is the technologically innov innovative um side of it . So uh and the third being easy to use is probably a given , we have to try and incorporate , so uh 1239.35 1243.76 1249.58 1254.38 1256.42 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1242.876 1243.566 1243.08 1243.53 Mm . 1243.53 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1259.808 1264.208 1259.83 1264.08 Well I I mean I th I think that what we're suggesting ought to address all three of those . 1264.08 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1263.741 1265.233 1263.741 1264.94 Uh exactly , yeah . 1264.69 1264.94 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1263.903 1264.879 1264.17 1264.77 Yeah . 1264.77 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1264.458 1265.476 1264.74 1265.34 Mm . 1265.34 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1265.904 1266.864 1265.93 1266.78 Okay . 1266.78 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1269.669 1284.336 1269.669 1284.3 I s that out of sequence ? Uh yeah , sorry . Uh yeah , and uh from the fashion watchers from Milan and Paris have said fruit and vegetables are an important theme for clothes and furniture and shoes , et cetera . Uh sorry , clothes , shoes and furniture 1271.98 1272.69 1273.19 1273.89 1281.2 1282.62 1282.96 1283.38 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1280.883 1282.156 1280.883 1281.93 Oh . 1281.93 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1283.648 1284.453 1283.76 1284.17 Uh-huh . 1284.17 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1285.6 1286.352 1285.63 1286.28 and uh - ES2012c D MEE048 3 1287.488 1290.658 1287.54 1290.46 a spongy material to be used on the on the outside . 1290.46 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1290.4 1292.896 1290.42 1292.85 Mm I hadn't thought of that , that's different , certainly . 1291.45 1292.16 1292.85 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1292.408 1304.288 1292.408 1304.21 Yeah . But uh I was gonna say um yeah , fruit and vegetables , uh important to this year um important to furniture , I'm just gonna say 1294.16 1296.59 1297.48 1303.09 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1292.755 1293.394 1292.79 1293.08 Mm . 1293.08 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1296.637 1297.202 1296.76 1297.07 What ? 1297.07 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1305.52 1315.264 1305.61 1315.14 uh f like it's in if if fashion if we're going for the it looks fancy , then fashion is obviously the line we gotta be going through . But fashions do don't last very long . 1310.05 1312.95 1315.14 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1311.586 1312.624 1311.586 1312.34 Yeah . 1312.34 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1311.83 1312.503 1312.0 1312.33 Mm-hmm . 1312.33 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1315.184 1323.537 1315.2 1323.31 Well that can kinda tie into our changing uh face things , like we could have the fruit and vegetable theme this year and uh whatever happens next year , we can have the face plates , yeah . 1317.77 1321.56 1322.99 1323.31 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1318.23 1318.786 1318.49 1318.6 Mm . 1318.6 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1319.916 1320.463 1319.916 1320.39 Yeah . 1320.39 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1320.047 1321.04 1320.34 1320.91 Yeah . 1320.91 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1321.766 1325.961 1321.92 1325.961 Yeah , we can have a sp like a spongy skin on it and then we can just whip that off and 1322.2 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1324.551 1326.455 1324.61 1326.28 Yeah , yeah . 1325.95 1326.28 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1324.694 1325.218 1324.95 1325.1 Uh . 1325.1 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1326.08 1332.036 1326.1 1331.94 Yeah like the kind you get on like hand weights . You know , that kind of spongy yeah . 1328.86 1329.09 1331.94 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1328.899 1332.13 1329.27 1332.09 Mm , yeah , that weird I dunno what that is , but yeah . 1329.62 1329.89 1331.52 1332.09 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1330.576 1331.92 1330.576 1331.66 Uh . 1331.66 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1332.014 1334.525 1332.18 1334.525 A kind of yeah . Oh 1334.18 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1332.983 1333.547 1333.14 1333.49 Mm . 1333.49 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1334.048 1336.272 1334.07 1336.17 Also means you can drop it without damaging it . 1336.17 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1335.804 1337.776 1336.2 1337.36 Yeah . That's c cool . 1336.54 1337.36 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1336.172 1339.185 1336.4 1339.15 Uh , yeah , it's good as well . Mm-hmm . 1336.65 1336.87 1338.29 1339.15 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1336.557 1338.471 1336.75 1338.09 Yeah , that's true . 1337.48 1338.09 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1338.832 1340.72 1338.86 1340.72 Um you have we could - ES2012c D MEE048 3 1341.808 1351.328 1341.93 1351.21 if we could save depending on the cost of the product itself , you know , could we have uh a cheaper b cheaper power source and then just have it annually renewed ? 1345.45 1345.67 1351.21 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1352.688 1360.368 1352.75 1360.27 Instead of having a ten year guarantee ? With interchangeable covers , could just buy a new one every year , a new one when new fashions come out . 1355.44 1356.53 1358.97 1360.27 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1358.961 1359.634 1359.12 1359.5 Yeah . 1359.5 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1360.744 1361.472 1360.87 1361.38 Mm . 1361.38 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1362.4 1383.312 1362.4 1383.312 I I mean it its uh I that's an interesting idea , it's like the old Swatch watch where uh um on only batteries ever got changed in those , 'cause people just bought a new one when it went out of fashion , but it's just never been seen as a a fashion item before . Um that's yes if if if they're made in sufficient quantity 1366.24 1371.68 1374.64 1378.62 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1374.529 1375.042 1374.64 1374.96 Mm . 1374.96 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1378.208 1378.688 1378.27 1378.63 Yeah . 1378.63 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1380.32 1380.747 1380.42 1380.58 Wh - ES2012c B FEE046 1 1381.025 1381.517 1381.17 1381.517 I - ES2012c B FEE046 1 1383.504 1391.376 1383.52 1391.22 I think it's easier sometimes to have them buy changeable covers for it than to buy a whole new one , because you don't feel like you're investing in a whole new product . 1388.53 1391.22 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1391.136 1409.808 1391.16 1409.73 W I mean we we can uh uh b but I mean my feeling is that current power sources are such that for relatively little cost you can make it last , you know , a long time . Um but if we also make it cheap enough that people either change the cover every year or even buy a new one every year then it it's it's even better . 1399.69 1400.4 1402.36 1409.73 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1394.59 1395.28 1394.75 1395.09 Yeah . 1395.09 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1396.544 1397.449 1396.68 1397.32 Mm . 1397.32 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1401.714 1402.126 1401.79 1401.98 Yeah . 1401.98 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1406.505 1407.061 1406.59 1406.96 Mm . 1406.96 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1409.708 1410.204 1409.94 1410.11 Mm . 1410.11 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1410.08 1413.008 1410.1 1412.8 What if we included the batteries in the cover ? 1412.8 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1410.105 1410.972 1410.47 1410.92 Mm-hmm . 1410.92 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1413.192 1419.481 1413.67 1419.45 Oh yeah . I like that . That all c also kind of encourages 'em to buy new covers and yeah . 1414.85 1415.83 1419.45 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1414.24 1416.72 1414.35 1416.72 So um like - ES2012c C FEE047 2 1419.104 1424.37 1419.12 1424.22 Yeah , so can I see that thing ? Just this as examples . 1419.52 1422.38 1424.22 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1420.956 1421.974 1421.21 1421.53 Um . 1421.53 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1421.404 1422.225 1421.53 1422.11 S - ES2012c A MEE045 0 1422.7 1444.717 1422.7 1444.4 Yeah , yeah , I n I know the only p I mean the the the the immediate thing that comes to mind with that is that it it it y you've then got the connection and you've immediately got a sort of unreliability , whereas the advantage of having it plumbed in is that that the whole thing is all , you know , completely soldered together and it it it you know , total reliability , but I mean I d I I uh 1423.55 1423.93 1433.47 1437.45 1437.61 1441.16 1442.61 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1425.396 1426.657 1425.61 1426.19 So f - ES2012c B FEE046 1 1433.193 1434.825 1433.53 1434.26 Uh yeah . 1434.26 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1439.248 1440.48 1439.27 1440.25 Yeah , I guess that's 1439.56 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1439.438 1440.064 1439.58 1439.86 Mm . 1439.86 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1441.373 1442.971 1441.43 1442.66 true . 1442.66 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1446.224 1449.445 1446.24 1449.32 I know what you're saying and uh understand where you're coming from . 1449.32 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1447.811 1465.664 1448.06 1465.664 Or well , but like uh like more than just the battery , like a complete different like you've only got like , you know like th uh this bit's the bit you keep , and this is the expensive bit , this is like the chip and this is the microphone . And then this is the power source and the bit everyone sees . And then 1449.35 1452.87 1455.68 1458.49 1459.46 1461.37 1464.91 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1460.434 1461.179 1460.63 1460.93 Mm-hmm . 1460.93 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1465.584 1504.237 1465.62 1504.17 I th I s I think if we're gonna go down that route , then we're talking about uh even if it costs slightly more than that , um just building the whole thing in one , then having getting cheaper production costs um and , you know giving people the option of buying a new uh a a complete new thing , the advantage of a replaceable cover is that even if they don't it doesn't have a cover on at all , it will still work um totally . Um then if , you know , if people lose the cover , I mean they they might be well inclined to go out and spend however many Euros on a on a new one um rather than a a complete new re remote . 1467.78 1471.12 1473.71 1478.09 1482.84 1487.12 1490.58 1491.96 1492.08 1493.49 1504.17 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1473.476 1475.138 1473.476 1475.06 Yeah , you probably are right . 1474.28 1475.06 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1488.101 1488.819 1488.21 1488.5 Mm . 1488.5 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1488.24 1489.563 1488.26 1489.37 Yeah , that's true . 1488.58 1489.37 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1489.425 1490.176 1489.45 1490.11 Mm . 1490.11 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1491.071 1492.352 1491.26 1492.04 Yeah , yeah . 1491.88 1492.04 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1500.151 1500.74 1500.31 1500.7 Yeah . 1500.7 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1503.312 1512.353 1503.33 1512.29 Well that that's just it with the covers , you're sort of tricking 'em into continuing to spend their money on our products without making 'em feel like they're being ripped off having to buy a new product . So , yeah . 1504.42 1511.07 1511.88 1512.29 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1503.301 1504.24 1503.59 1503.92 Yeah . 1503.92 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1510.384 1512.685 1510.4 1512.685 Yeah , I mean it is it's up to it's up to 1510.67 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1510.493 1513.28 1510.74 1513.28 Yeah , just another five Euro to get 1511.2 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1513.2 1514.24 1513.22 1513.66 Yeah . 1513.66 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1513.488 1527.664 1513.51 1527.664 Yeah , it's it's up to our marketing people to to ma to ma turn it into a a fashion item . Um and , you know , as as external fashions change , then we get new new covers on the market and , you know , readily available . And um 1513.73 1518.8 1519.5 1519.7 1521.54 1524.94 1525.12 1526.78 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1515.217 1515.781 1515.34 1515.62 Mm . 1515.62 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1515.407 1516.034 1515.63 1515.93 Right . 1515.93 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1517.858 1518.624 1517.9 1518.56 Mm , yeah . 1518.29 1518.56 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1522.747 1523.159 1522.84 1523.0 Mm . 1523.0 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1523.171 1524.206 1523.7 1524.01 Yeah . 1524.01 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1526.706 1533.963 1526.85 1533.89 And that's the sort of thing , once you get the mould set , you can just whip out different colours , different pictures very very quickly . Yeah , yeah , exactly , exactly . 1527.48 1528.97 1530.42 1532.32 1532.69 1532.89 1533.43 1533.89 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1529.858 1534.08 1529.858 1533.91 that's that's right , yeah , yeah . 1533.16 1533.66 1533.91 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1530.534 1537.616 1530.55 1537.43 Yeah , like they have for mobile phones that are just fruits and animal prints and colours . Yeah , okay . 1530.8 1536.4 1537.12 1537.43 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1535.376 1536.156 1535.4 1535.76 Yeah . 1535.76 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1536.341 1543.84 1536.53 1543.84 So uh i so uh okay . Um right , sorry . Um we hadn't finished your 1539.94 1540.49 1541.0 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1542.624 1553.264 1542.9 1553.23 Um oh , don't worry it's all said , I was just gonna say uh yeah , are we gonna make this as part of like like uh a part of the f like it it the fashions apply to furniture , so are we gonna make this part of the furniture ? 1544.35 1544.97 1546.86 1551.85 1553.23 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1553.488 1562.213 1553.82 1562.08 It's the sort of thing that we want people to have prominent dis displayed on their um coffee table to say this says something about me . 1562.08 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1556.642 1558.453 1556.81 1558.28 Mm . Mm-hmm . 1557.62 1558.28 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1563.142 1583.641 1563.22 1583.5 Um this is fashionable . I , you know , I'm I'm I'm with it , I'm up to date . And you know , th the the design that I've got , and and it could be a a home-made design , um you know this says this is not just a a television remote control , this is , you know , a fashion accessory . Um , 1566.15 1566.29 1566.55 1568.01 1569.18 1569.84 1571.76 1575.82 1580.2 1580.5 1580.93 1582.89 1583.5 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1563.177 1565.8 1563.35 1565.8 Yeah . This is fashionable with 1564.26 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1565.38 1566.026 1565.64 1565.85 Yeah . 1565.85 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1584.515 1604.257 1584.76 1604.12 so I mean the the the basic shape i is is what we uh I mean given that we've got you know one one on off button presumably , two buttons for uh channel change and one slider and basically nothing else , um w we need to decide on the just the basic shape of the thing . 1593.14 1599.32 1604.12 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1591.995 1592.41 1592.13 1592.3 Mm . 1592.3 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1604.691 1633.808 1604.77 1633.38 And , know whether we go down the fruit and veg route , and I don't suggest we make it look like a banana , but um know sort of the the organic , you know , curved look , you know , t to deliberately get away from the uh um uh you know , the the the the square look of most um current uh remotes and , you know , whether whether the you know , the the fixed part of it is the corporate yellow . Um 1605.42 1607.4 1610.07 1612.99 1613.7 1615.05 1615.35 1621.28 1627.55 1627.74 1629.4 1632.7 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1614.96 1615.462 1615.0 1615.37 Mm . 1615.37 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1615.045 1615.918 1615.09 1615.73 Oh yeah . 1615.73 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1634.896 1647.408 1635.01 1647.21 mm or uh 'cause there's certainly you know , the the corporate logo needs to be prominently uh displayed so that people s th looked at it and say right , that's a Real Reaction remote control , I want one of those . 1637.65 1643.48 1646.07 1647.21 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1647.111 1659.888 1647.47 1659.79 I dunno that we should make the whole thing yellow I kinda thought with a you'd have like a yellow circle with the R_R_ in it somewhere on it , but I'd yellow seems a bit of a strong colour to make the ent like the thing no , but I mean just like white or grey or black or some sort of blah colour . Yeah , yeah . 1652.47 1655.53 1658.94 1659.5 1659.79 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1651.584 1653.353 1651.7 1653.21 Yeah uh the the uh or or b - ES2012c C FEE047 2 1651.815 1653.498 1652.08 1653.38 Yeah , like an . 1652.36 1653.38 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1654.16 1663.84 1654.18 1663.73 Yeah , I'd I'd um yeah . Uh no I d I I agree , I mean we're we're we're simply it's simply required to incorporate the the the the corporate logo prominently um . 1654.34 1656.1 1657.07 1663.73 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1654.64 1656.472 1654.64 1656.23 Yeah . 1656.23 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1660.352 1660.992 1660.37 1660.7 Yeah . 1660.7 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1661.008 1661.92 1661.03 1661.41 Yeah . 1661.41 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1662.855 1663.309 1663.02 1663.2 Mm . 1663.2 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1663.09 1665.376 1663.19 1665.376 And make that a fashion symbol as well . 1665.25 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1663.745 1666.224 1663.89 1665.2 Well n - ES2012c A MEE045 0 1665.328 1681.088 1665.35 1681.05 Well , th this is this is the whole point , yes , you know , I'm I've got a a Real Reaction uh remote control to go with my Real Reaction coffee maker or or whatever . And uh then people , you know , people demand more Real Reaction stuff . 1665.63 1667.1 1667.54 1667.9 1675.91 1677.89 1678.49 1681.05 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1680.235 1680.921 1680.33 1680.59 Mm-hmm . 1680.59 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1681.456 1701.296 1681.48 1701.08 Well I was sort of mm kinda picturing like maybe um a shape that's almost like a mouse . So that , you know , when they hold it it's because a mouse is pretty comfortable to hold in your hand um maybe we could make it a slightly different shape so they could hold on to it , but that way they can have the volume on the side and then the channel buttons and 1688.42 1689.29 1689.53 1696.66 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1687.744 1689.154 1687.78 1688.99 Mm . Yeah . 1688.7 1688.99 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1687.926 1688.667 1688.08 1688.37 Yeah . 1688.37 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1700.928 1702.512 1700.95 1702.4 Yeah . Yeah . 1702.13 1702.4 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1701.504 1701.897 1701.52 1701.78 Mm . 1701.78 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1702.124 1704.848 1702.14 1704.76 have the power , wherever , somewhere . 1703.47 1704.29 1704.76 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1704.024 1704.731 1704.33 1704.68 Yeah . 1704.68 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1705.936 1708.512 1705.96 1707.71 I mean that was just an idea that I had . 1707.71 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1705.801 1707.248 1706.05 1707.15 I mean I've uh yeah . 1707.15 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1708.432 1715.472 1708.46 1715.44 Oh no that well there's the sim my my idea was something a b probably you know a bit fatter than this but sort of tha that sorta shape so that you can just sort of ho hold it . 1715.44 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1712.28 1712.97 1712.39 1712.85 Yeah . 1712.85 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1713.748 1716.496 1713.85 1716.2 Yeah , maybe . Kind of a c 1714.03 1715.59 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1714.285 1720.406 1714.39 1720.406 Yeah , you'd want it narrower than a mouse though 'cause it a mouse you're kinda just resting on it , you want something you can definitely grip . So maybe it'd be 1714.76 1717.8 1719.41 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1719.184 1728.048 1719.2 1728.0 W it I mean well it's sort of it's it's sort of uh a a mouse , but held , you know , so it's you sorta hold it in your hand like that , i with , you know , and fiddling with the buttons . 1722.48 1723.85 1724.06 1725.91 1726.34 1726.53 1728.0 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1719.367 1721.973 1719.47 1721.59 Yeah . Sort of a combination . 1720.49 1721.59 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1720.963 1722.471 1720.963 1722.36 Yeah , yeah . 1721.92 1722.36 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1723.675 1724.113 1723.7 1724.08 Yeah . 1724.08 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1724.485 1725.377 1724.65 1725.06 Yeah . 1725.06 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1725.907 1728.036 1725.95 1727.79 Yeah , and fiddle around with it and press it . 1726.13 1727.79 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1728.0 1733.648 1728.07 1733.648 Yeah so yeah , kind of maybe maybe a little wider than this , 'cause this is pretty comfortable to hold , and then if you had 1728.79 1731.06 1732.68 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1733.44 1739.619 1733.46 1739.46 Maybe almost like a hairbrush , like you could get the about the width of that end of the pen and then it widens up top and you can fiddle an yeah . 1734.72 1739.46 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1736.464 1756.272 1736.48 1756.14 Yeah , then wider up here . And then it would have a l uh wider thing to uh have the light , the infrared light at the T_V_ and just kinda change channels and adjust the volume and the power could be wherever , up up the top or something . What do you guys think about that ? 1737.57 1738.74 1742.82 1751.07 1754.17 1756.14 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1741.067 1743.504 1741.27 1743.47 Yeah , yeah . Yeah . 1741.88 1743.19 1743.47 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1747.081 1747.645 1747.19 1747.57 Mm . 1747.57 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1751.955 1753.456 1752.2 1753.22 Yeah , cool . 1752.63 1753.22 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1756.192 1756.816 1756.21 1756.816 Yeah , that sounds 1756.32 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1756.512 1757.968 1756.53 1757.89 Okay , yeah , yeah . 1757.09 1757.64 1757.89 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1757.554 1768.352 1757.71 1768.32 Um I'm just I'm suddenly realising that yeah we're discussing how much how good it's gonna be to change channels t we still can just tell it to . I mean are we are we starting to get away from the the voice functionality of it ? 1764.77 1768.32 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1771.136 1772.915 1771.18 1772.915 Oh yeah . 1772.73 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1771.282 1774.0 1771.55 1774.0 Yeah . 1773.43 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1773.252 1775.36 1773.95 1774.85 It's a very good point . 1774.85 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1774.959 1776.609 1775.06 1776.47 It is a very good point . 1776.47 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1775.064 1775.718 1775.3 1775.61 Yeah . 1775.61 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1776.592 1791.175 1776.61 1790.68 I think we d I think we decided that w we're actually going down both routes . That um the we n we need the the manual controls and that they should be of that form , but that uh yeah . 1782.03 1788.95 1790.68 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1781.605 1782.89 1781.64 1782.72 Yeah , yeah . 1782.33 1782.72 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1781.665 1782.525 1781.76 1782.28 Yeah . 1782.28 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1788.552 1789.275 1788.66 1789.02 Yeah . 1789.02 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1789.98 1799.911 1790.0 1799.84 But do you know , this shape also kind of les lend itself to to voice 'cause if you're you're holding it and you're fiddling , but you can also bring it up like that and it's microphone-esque , yeah , yeah . 1790.82 1794.96 1798.12 1799.29 1799.84 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1795.44 1798.912 1795.46 1798.79 Then you just bring it up to your mouth and just speak to it , yeah , yeah . 1797.86 1798.29 1798.79 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1796.944 1798.061 1796.96 1798.061 Yeah , and just say 1797.14 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1798.912 1806.905 1799.15 1806.8 Yeah , maybe we cou like w like we're leaving out the buttons for the the f less frequently used stuff , but maybe we could incorporate that into the voice . 1799.35 1804.74 1806.8 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1805.038 1805.662 1805.06 1805.6 Mm . 1805.6 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1807.26 1814.912 1807.44 1814.78 I th I th honest uh my personal view is that if it's not there , people wouldn't use it anyway um . 1812.01 1814.78 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1813.453 1819.648 1813.56 1819.61 Mm I suppose , but t there is the off chance that , you know , th the brightness is wrong on your T_V_ or the contrast needs changing . 1814.11 1816.2 1816.36 1819.61 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1819.952 1832.848 1819.97 1832.69 It's cer it's certainly possible I mean , but they we we're going beyond w w given the state of the technology we want something that we kno we know will will work um . 1821.55 1832.69 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1821.926 1822.301 1822.04 1822.2 Bu - ES2012c B FEE046 1 1823.6 1824.16 1823.63 1824.0 Mm . 1824.0 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1831.296 1832.171 1831.32 1832.08 Hmm yeah . 1832.08 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1832.176 1852.786 1832.36 1852.64 Well you can still i incorporate the voice with with less buttons . I mean uh if the power button was also somehow like a menu button you could press that and or do voice commands , and either volume thing could also be to scroll through other options like y and you could scroll through brightness and and sc and then you can you can minimise the buttons and still have those , you know , brightness and tint and stuff . 1835.44 1840.94 1851.11 1851.35 1852.64 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1843.216 1844.252 1843.24 1844.252 Uh - ES2012c D MEE048 3 1845.904 1846.968 1845.92 1846.87 Yeah , that's a good idea . 1846.21 1846.87 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1846.313 1848.366 1846.75 1848.17 Yeah , I suppose I sup 1846.9 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1850.592 1851.232 1850.61 1850.87 Yeah . 1850.87 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1851.383 1852.199 1851.72 1852.14 Yeah . 1852.14 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1852.24 1857.216 1852.29 1857.17 If we we're I mean I'm getting a clear message that we think that we should have those facilities available . 1857.17 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1857.136 1867.986 1857.16 1867.8 So I guess we could have a menu button as well . We could have the channels and the power and then a menu button and then the volume . So have four buttons and the volume instead of three buttons and the volume . 1859.25 1863.71 1867.8 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1857.903 1858.655 1858.11 1858.655 Yeah - ES2012c B FEE046 1 1862.288 1863.232 1862.31 1863.11 Yeah . 1863.11 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1867.287 1868.615 1867.43 1868.18 Uh uh uh - ES2012c A MEE045 0 1869.53 1872.976 1869.6 1872.8 Okay , if we if we're going down that route , then 1870.0 1872.33 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1874.032 1882.878 1874.17 1882.74 we need some sort of display . Do we need some sort of display ? We actually use the television , okay . Okay , okay , okay . 1876.43 1877.62 1879.03 1880.16 1881.17 1882.33 1882.74 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1876.234 1884.174 1876.59 1883.95 But the television would be the display that things like that usually c pop up on a televi like you hit menu and menu will come up on television and have like tint brightness , and you'd use the scroll , scroll through it yeah . 1882.4 1883.17 1883.95 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1877.102 1878.895 1877.33 1878.6 Yeah , that's on the T_V_ , yeah . 1877.56 1878.37 1878.6 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1879.392 1880.155 1879.41 1880.05 Yeah , and then y 1879.56 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1882.617 1891.238 1882.94 1891.11 Well I mean on a onto like a mouse , the ru the scrolling button , is actually a button as well , you could press it , you could press that and have it as a menu button . 1885.36 1886.89 1888.03 1888.67 1891.11 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1884.06 1884.862 1884.36 1884.72 Yep . 1884.72 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1888.576 1890.812 1888.6 1890.71 Yeah , yeah , that's true . 1889.74 1890.21 1890.71 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1889.472 1898.96 1889.5 1898.82 Yeah , press that is t yeah , that might work . Yeah , it's like um yeah , it's like the mouse where you just kinda click it . You just press it . 1890.58 1892.57 1894.55 1894.86 1895.97 1898.02 1898.82 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1892.72 1895.208 1892.74 1895.208 I never understood how that worked though , but yeah . 1893.85 1894.78 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1896.64 1898.203 1896.66 1898.12 Yeah , mm . 1897.85 1898.12 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1899.984 1906.672 1900.0 1906.45 Yeah , and you could just click that to so if you had like the menu then you could scroll through and then click it to select . 1900.18 1906.45 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1905.12 1906.38 1905.14 1906.35 Mm , oka yeah . 1905.62 1906.35 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1907.243 1907.79 1907.31 1907.64 Yeah . 1907.64 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1907.366 1908.131 1907.54 1908.04 Uh yeah . 1908.04 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1907.872 1909.344 1908.01 1908.59 You know what I mean ? 1908.59 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1908.944 1925.152 1908.97 1925.09 Mm yeah . Okay , we got five minutes to go in this meeting , so um I d I think we've actually very conveniently just uh come to uh a good point to s to sum up um . 1910.63 1911.02 1913.65 1925.09 ES2012c C FEE047 2 1912.758 1913.558 1913.01 1913.14 Okay . 1913.14 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1922.369 1923.136 1922.369 1922.99 Cool . 1922.99 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1927.22 1965.493 1927.46 1965.17 So um b b Kate and Kendra now go away and uh pa play play with a bit of Plasticine or play-dough , whatever it is on the other side of the Atlantic . Um and actually put what we've discussed into something uh I was gonna say concrete , but that's a slightly inappropriate word um to something that we can we can see and um Andrew n can go away and th th think about how we can uh actually market this as a concept and not j not just a uh um a a simple remote control . 1936.41 1938.94 1947.08 1965.17 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1932.848 1936.961 1932.848 1936.961 Play with play-dough . 1936.46 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1938.556 1939.322 1938.86 1938.95 Hmm . 1938.95 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1966.168 1970.856 1966.168 1970.75 Uh can I just get some things clear just for my sake . Our energy source is gonna be 1968.86 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1967.786 1969.232 1967.89 1969.14 Yeah , certainly , of course . 1968.17 1968.61 1969.14 ES2012c A MEE045 0 1970.672 2011.24 1971.52 2011.13 I think I think we decided that we're gonna for for simplicity of , you know , manufacturing and uh maintenance that we will go for a a long term battery source um , I you know , on the basis that um that , you know , if we're going for making it a fashion statement , then uh people are more likely to change it anyway uh before i it runs out and um make an assumption that we we can aim for a battery that will last most people for uh we'll say at least five five ten years and that we'll w we will guarantee it for for five years um . 1976.74 1976.99 1984.45 1984.89 1987.28 1987.46 1989.77 2011.13 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1971.553 1972.224 1971.57 1972.18 long term . 1972.18 ES2012c B FEE046 1 1982.096 1982.573 1982.12 1982.32 Mm . 1982.32 ES2012c D MEE048 3 1982.946 1984.402 1983.05 1984.402 Cool . Uh 1983.9 ES2012c B FEE046 1 2005.024 2005.52 2005.024 2005.44 Yeah . 2005.44 ES2012c D MEE048 3 2011.168 2012.544 2011.19 2012.46 And we're having a custom chip ? 2012.46 ES2012c A MEE045 0 2012.608 2014.16 2012.608 2014.1 We're having a - ES2012c A MEE045 0 2016.032 2035.856 2016.05 2035.66 a custom chip , but given the the we've cut the functions down , um that will hopefully not be too problematic , but given that um technol technological innovation is important , then we need to , I'll say it again , technologically innovate . 2017.11 2020.84 2025.82 2032.09 2033.68 2034.36 2035.66 ES2012c A MEE045 0 2036.88 2046.704 2037.08 2046.35 Um and uh we we , know , we must resist any efforts to uh to try and water that down um . 2039.28 2039.62 2046.35 ES2012c D MEE048 3 2046.736 2048.784 2046.87 2048.7 And interchangeable case ? 2048.7 ES2012c A MEE045 0 2049.264 2074.22 2049.33 2074.12 I i interchangeable case seems to be um um important to the concept . Um it it should be cheap , you know , if if we avoid any , you know , electrical connections . And uh i you know , i if we can come up with some way of of allowing people to actually personalise it uh to whatever they want , then uh I mean uh uh this is totally new . We d we don't know whether 2055.9 2057.8 2057.99 2059.29 2059.47 2061.81 2063.0 2069.61 2073.08 ES2012c B FEE046 1 2052.198 2052.695 2052.36 2052.57 Mm . 2052.57 ES2012c C FEE047 2 2058.072 2059.151 2058.072 2058.96 Yeah . 2058.96 ES2012c B FEE046 1 2058.174 2058.62 2058.22 2058.46 Mm . 2058.46 ES2012c D MEE048 3 2067.355 2068.054 2067.43 2067.77 Mm , mm-hmm . 2067.5 2067.77 ES2012c A MEE045 0 2075.038 2101.872 2075.09 2101.65 that to what extent people do it or not , but if they've at least got a a good selection of um covers that they can use anyway , and uh and if if we can keep them , you know , rolling , then uh you know , so they can get them in the supermarket when they go down to um a any of the famous supermarkets , I won't mention any mention any names , um it's uh it's good for the supermarket and it's good for us and it hopefully makes them feel better . 2077.06 2082.55 2084.51 2084.76 2085.97 2087.02 2093.22 2095.21 2101.65 ES2012c D MEE048 3 2102.335 2106.928 2102.45 2106.928 And uh are we gonna have it il being illuminated from inside onto the buttons or - ES2012c A MEE045 0 2107.344 2115.511 2107.344 2115.32 Um the that I mean that's no , because we've got so few buttons that it that actually makes that redundant . 2112.15 2115.32 ES2012c C FEE047 2 2115.088 2120.354 2115.11 2120.354 Yeah , I think so too . Yeah , and especially for making them so like different and 2116.01 2116.83 2117.08 ES2012c B FEE046 1 2115.248 2117.589 2115.27 2117.38 Mm , does actually , yeah , yeah . 2115.57 2116.1 2117.17 2117.38 ES2012c D MEE048 3 2115.791 2116.38 2115.92 2116.18 Cool . 2116.18 ES2012c B FEE046 1 2119.52 2121.504 2119.56 2121.36 Mm different to feel , yeah , yeah . 2120.74 2121.15 2121.36 ES2012c A MEE045 0 2120.048 2131.562 2120.07 2131.33 Yeah , yeah . And the you know , that that solves one of the problems of b of battery life , 'cause that would well that would clobber the battery life , so no , I mean given the nature of the buttons we're having , it's actually uh uh unnecessary I think . 2120.7 2121.35 2121.87 2123.81 2125.71 2125.99 2128.41 2131.33 ES2012c C FEE047 2 2121.005 2121.627 2121.19 2121.49 Yeah . 2121.49 ES2012c B FEE046 1 2123.549 2126.518 2123.68 2126.07 Mm-hmm . Yep , yeah . Mm-hmm . 2124.2 2124.8 2125.77 2126.07 ES2012c C FEE047 2 2123.966 2124.546 2123.99 2124.38 Yeah . 2124.38 ES2012c C FEE047 2 2126.024 2126.582 2126.22 2126.53 Yeah . 2126.53 ES2012c C FEE047 2 2131.568 2132.032 2131.59 2132.0 Yeah . 2132.0 ES2012c B FEE046 1 2131.627 2132.604 2131.98 2132.49 Mm-hmm . 2132.49 ES2012c D MEE048 3 2132.288 2136.753 2132.41 2136.753 Are we having it that it's any angle , or is it just 2135.63 ES2012c A MEE045 0 2135.296 2153.744 2135.296 2153.65 As uh as wide cer certainly wider angle than than current , so that if you're holding it , you know , anyway like you're likely to and uh it's uh you know , i i it will work most of the time um . 2141.82 2142.99 2143.75 2150.2 2153.65 ES2012c B FEE046 1 2138.437 2139.035 2138.437 2139.0 Yeah . 2139.0 ES2012c D MEE048 3 2138.853 2140.17 2138.96 2139.91 As wide as possible . 2139.91 ES2012c C FEE047 2 2144.283 2146.48 2144.33 2146.22 Like this or like this . 2146.22 ES2012c B FEE046 1 2144.409 2147.136 2144.49 2147.02 Mm yeah . 2147.02 ES2012c A MEE045 0 2155.636 2160.576 2155.87 2160.53 Not like my my mum who points it at the ceiling and wonders why the th th the television doesn't work . 2160.53 ES2012c A MEE045 0 2162.08 2171.376 2162.1 2171.34 Um yeah , I mean I d I th I sorta envisaged that if if this was the the thing , then sort of the the whole of the top would be the uh the infrared uh . 2163.14 2166.53 2171.34 ES2012c C FEE047 2 2169.165 2171.232 2169.61 2171.232 Yeah , kinda like this whole 2169.92 ES2012c B FEE046 1 2169.831 2170.424 2169.91 2170.28 Mm-hmm . 2170.28 ES2012c B FEE046 1 2171.344 2172.528 2171.36 2172.33 Yeah , mm . 2171.97 2172.33 ES2012c C FEE047 2 2172.518 2175.904 2172.54 2175.71 So you could use like this and it would go . 2175.71 ES2012c A MEE045 0 2172.48 2174.371 2172.55 2174.371 Um so - ES2012c B FEE046 1 2175.208 2175.655 2175.33 2175.54 Mm . 2175.54 ES2012c A MEE045 0 2175.824 2191.216 2176.06 2191.14 Yeah , 'cause I mean the r reality is people are they're gonna be looking at the television whilst they're using it , the chances are , so if if they're holding it anyway , the they're reasonably likely to be holding it to use it , then uh then that that's the sort of coverage that we want . 2176.82 2181.92 2182.74 2184.4 2187.46 2191.14 ES2012c C FEE047 2 2183.141 2183.904 2183.28 2183.85 Yeah . 2183.85 ES2012c C FEE047 2 2187.84 2188.448 2187.86 2188.16 Yeah . 2188.16 ES2012c A MEE045 0 2192.608 2198.848 2192.63 2198.55 Um okay , d we're all clear where we go from here . 2195.68 2198.55 ES2012c C FEE047 2 2195.947 2197.44 2195.947 2197.1 Yep . 2197.1 ES2012c B FEE046 1 2196.592 2198.769 2196.61 2198.67 Yep , sounds good . 2197.02 2198.67 ES2012c D MEE048 3 2199.04 2199.828 2199.12 2199.52 Mm-hmm . 2199.52 ES2012c A MEE045 0 2199.864 2204.173 2200.12 2204.14 Okay , so thank you very much indeed and I'll s see you all again in thirty minutes . 2200.28 2204.14 ES2012c B FEE046 1 2201.139 2201.872 2201.4 2201.77 'Kay . 2201.77 ES2012c C FEE047 2 2203.902 2205.377 2203.902 2204.44 Okay . 2204.44 ES2012c B FEE046 1 2204.373 2204.969 2204.56 2204.92 'Kay . 2204.92 ES2012d A MEE045 0 8.109 9.027 8.17 8.81 Right well . 8.81 ES2012d A MEE045 0 9.895 17.536 9.94 17.44 Welcome to the what should be the last of these meetings and uh it looks like we've uh done a good job here and uh - ES2012d A MEE045 0 18.656 28.112 18.69 28.06 we'll just go through the the final uh the final details . Um okay , oh the um 24.17 27.04 ES2012d A MEE045 0 30.765 35.488 31.01 35.488 th the the minutes of the last meeting uh I think we'll take those as read , um 34.7 ES2012d A MEE045 0 36.181 48.0 36.25 47.97 Okay the um th the the next uh thing we we we'll have a look at the uh th have a look at the prototypes and uh look at the uh evaluation criteria and finance and then uh - ES2012d A MEE045 0 48.992 56.05 49.02 55.98 uh just tidy up with production and um and then we can close . Um 55.07 ES2012d A MEE045 0 59.376 65.36 59.45 65.21 So f if if you'd like to uh present your your proposals . 65.21 ES2012d B FEE046 1 65.24 89.327 65.79 89.27 Uh okay we basically have the same kinda lay-out here it's just um you hold it like this and it gets kinda moulded to the to the shape of your hand , basically . Um on the left we've got the scroll for the volume , on the right we have buttons for the channels up and down and that kinda so you can hold it and scroll , or you can hold it and and push . Uh this is the power key , um it's kinda like the biggest so you know how to turn on . 73.5 74.59 78.56 82.95 85.01 87.36 89.27 ES2012d A MEE045 0 89.019 89.824 89.25 89.7 Uh-huh . 89.7 ES2012d B FEE046 1 89.682 120.88 89.76 120.84 Uh that's the little menu key . This is the infra-red section so you g it'll be sending rays and if you're you know pointing it like that it can send it , or if you hold it up like that it'll send it . Uh we got a microphone there which for all the voice commands so you can you know talk to it like that and it'll still understand . Um the logo is down down there um and has the cover on it and you can see like it just kinda goes the red bit's the cover and it kinda goes over everything and then there's holes for the buttons to come through . Um . 92.04 98.28 100.92 107.29 120.2 120.84 ES2012d A MEE045 0 97.2 100.944 97.95 100.84 Yep , yeah , good , good . 99.05 99.99 100.49 100.84 ES2012d A MEE045 0 104.24 107.179 104.3 107.12 Uh-huh . Yep , right . 105.63 106.75 107.12 ES2012d A MEE045 0 110.576 111.296 110.73 111.15 Uh-huh . 111.15 ES2012d C FEE047 2 111.216 112.37 111.32 112.33 Mm . S 111.72 ES2012d A MEE045 0 117.215 119.315 117.29 119.08 Yep , yep , mm-hmm . 117.81 118.72 119.08 ES2012d C FEE047 2 120.8 133.904 120.82 133.87 And so we figured it would be kind of you know a light weight plastic , just kind of a light non-descript grey so that people'll wanna buy the covers and then the covers will be that sort of rubbery material like they make iPod covers , so they kinda just stretch over . 124.17 132.43 133.87 ES2012d B FEE046 1 124.103 124.554 124.22 124.46 Mm . 124.46 ES2012d A MEE045 0 124.4 125.792 124.44 125.69 Uh-huh . Yep yep . 124.88 125.69 ES2012d A MEE045 0 128.144 128.684 128.23 128.52 Yep . 128.52 ES2012d A MEE045 0 132.457 139.537 132.457 139.31 showing me age , I don't know what i c iPod covers are like . Yeah yeah . 135.03 138.25 139.31 ES2012d B FEE046 1 134.224 135.226 134.26 135.19 Mm . 135.19 ES2012d C FEE047 2 137.408 151.056 137.43 151.056 Yeah , well I I didn't know that but yeah they're kind of it's just kind of a rubbery and that way you know spongy like is something that people wanted and it just sort of stretches over and that way I think probably helps protect it a little bit too as well and 137.75 ES2012d A MEE045 0 140.761 145.183 141.1 145.14 Uh-huh . Okay , yep , right . 142.55 143.63 144.43 145.14 ES2012d B FEE046 1 141.451 142.127 141.66 141.95 Yeah . 141.95 ES2012d B FEE046 1 146.64 147.92 146.66 147.84 Mm-hmm . 147.84 ES2012d B FEE046 1 150.309 159.304 150.4 159.25 But it's also e e easier to put on versus like mobile covers you actually have to screw them on and stuff and you kinda sometimes have to get someone to do that for you . This is very much you should be able to stretch it over yourself and it'll be fine . 155.9 159.25 ES2012d A MEE045 0 150.658 151.731 150.86 151.48 Okay . 151.48 ES2012d A MEE045 0 156.832 157.354 156.85 157.27 Yep . 157.27 ES2012d C FEE047 2 156.753 158.768 156.88 158.72 just kinda stretch it over - ES2012d A MEE045 0 159.152 160.56 159.39 160.52 Okay , good yeah . 159.84 160.52 ES2012d C FEE047 2 159.719 169.72 159.74 169.69 and it'll just stay on and then the buttons come through and so and then the each one of 'em on the very end will have the logo with the yellow circle and the R_R_ . 169.69 ES2012d B FEE046 1 159.72 160.114 159.77 159.99 Yeah . 159.99 ES2012d B FEE046 1 161.232 161.792 161.25 161.51 Yeah . 161.51 ES2012d A MEE045 0 168.272 169.977 168.29 169.67 Yep , right . 168.96 169.67 ES2012d B FEE046 1 169.61 172.464 169.75 172.29 Li that'll be the covers as well , yeah yeah . 171.44 172.29 ES2012d C FEE047 2 171.011 171.562 171.05 171.4 Yeah . 171.4 ES2012d A MEE045 0 170.932 179.584 171.09 179.36 Yeah , yeah . I mean tha it's it's a detailed point , I just wondered I mean h how will people put these down I wonder ? Right . 171.52 172.36 174.27 178.87 179.36 ES2012d C FEE047 2 178.208 178.928 178.23 178.72 Like that . 178.72 ES2012d A MEE045 0 182.656 189.52 182.91 189.52 Okay for some strange re reason I had it in my mind that they'd put them down vertically but uh uh - ES2012d B FEE046 1 186.6 193.574 187.05 193.23 Yeah it could stand , yeah . Well we could broaden the broaden it out a bit so it would stand like that . 188.07 188.98 193.23 ES2012d C FEE047 2 187.856 189.056 187.856 188.94 Oh . 188.94 ES2012d A MEE045 0 191.872 204.557 191.872 204.557 Yeah , uh no because particularly if they've dif if they're gonna have it as a you know as a fashion item uh I mean it it's uh it it's just I mean it's just a minor detailed point , but um as you say you can just make the base a little bit bigger and uh 192.89 201.58 ES2012d B FEE046 1 196.624 199.232 196.87 198.41 Yeah , standing . 197.68 198.41 ES2012d B FEE046 1 203.952 206.624 203.97 205.93 Yeah , we could just widen it out uh 204.22 ES2012d A MEE045 0 205.375 218.087 205.52 218.087 Yeah and uh it just needs another uh another logo somewhere is is is is all it gives gives people the option and if if say if they've got them um because actually have several upon the uh - ES2012d B FEE046 1 211.712 213.808 211.81 213.66 Mm . Mm . 213.34 213.66 ES2012d D MEE048 3 218.512 221.377 218.53 221.21 Could have one for your stereo , one for your D_V_ player . 219.46 221.21 ES2012d B FEE046 1 218.977 225.929 219.05 225.79 Mm , yeah , yeah . Have to if we just lengthen it I guess so it comes down to the base of the hand and then flatten it out and could sit there . 219.64 220.13 220.63 225.79 ES2012d A MEE045 0 219.536 220.656 219.57 220.62 Yeah , well . 220.24 220.62 ES2012d C FEE047 2 219.92 220.593 219.94 220.29 Yeah . 220.29 ES2012d A MEE045 0 221.733 232.08 221.733 232.08 Yeah but that that's uh but uh no the the the overall uh the overall concept is uh yeah yeah , no no , I mean that's these uh 230.49 230.73 ES2012d C FEE047 2 221.627 223.606 221.74 223.606 Yeah , just kind of 222.51 ES2012d C FEE047 2 226.249 227.533 226.39 227.38 Or just make it little . 227.38 ES2012d B FEE046 1 226.848 231.812 226.87 231.75 Yeah , mm . Yeah . Yeah . 227.28 229.27 230.43 231.75 ES2012d C FEE047 2 228.784 230.057 228.93 229.98 Somewhere like that - ES2012d C FEE047 2 231.152 232.368 231.17 232.368 so it just sort of - ES2012d B FEE046 1 232.288 238.981 232.31 238.9 We might have to lengthen it so it kinda your hand still holds it and have it there , yeah , yeah , yeah like that , like that . Yeah . 236.57 236.96 237.14 237.76 238.71 238.9 ES2012d D MEE048 3 232.64 233.896 232.66 233.71 Yeah I kinda had a - ES2012d D MEE048 3 234.475 245.522 234.5 245.522 a kinda a natural kind of a idea where it's like more of a kind of like a kinda maybe slightly like thinner , yeah , kinda like that kinda like a flower or a plant for the more natural kinda 240.53 240.83 ES2012d C FEE047 2 235.568 236.016 235.59 235.98 Yeah . 235.98 ES2012d C FEE047 2 238.467 239.113 238.72 239.05 Bu - ES2012d A MEE045 0 240.832 241.136 240.85 241.1 Yeah . 241.1 ES2012d A MEE045 0 242.819 246.272 242.88 246.272 But uh yeah but no th but the yeah the the the - ES2012d B FEE046 1 243.568 245.424 244.09 245.39 Mm . 245.39 ES2012d C FEE047 2 245.744 247.703 245.744 247.703 . 247.703 ES2012d B FEE046 1 247.385 251.632 247.385 251.4 The final product would actually stand up , yeah . 251.05 251.4 ES2012d A MEE045 0 247.454 273.472 247.52 273.43 Yeah , yeah , yeah , I mean it it's uh wouldn't wouldn't do that , indeed yeah . But th th but th yeah th b the these were all minor minor uh minor details , I think the uh the basic concept i i is is absolutely bang on and the i it certainly meets our criteria of being uh of you know looking different . Um , so good that's that that's excellent . Um right let us um 247.75 248.1 248.34 250.27 251.35 255.44 265.48 266.55 269.78 ES2012d C FEE047 2 248.84 249.718 248.84 249.6 fall over . 249.6 ES2012d C FEE047 2 251.104 251.872 251.12 251.4 Yeah . 251.4 ES2012d B FEE046 1 253.751 255.209 253.86 254.99 Yeah , yeah . 254.66 254.99 ES2012d C FEE047 2 254.134 254.656 254.2 254.59 Yeah . 254.59 ES2012d C FEE047 2 256.864 257.472 256.864 257.472 . 257.472 ES2012d B FEE046 1 256.985 258.064 257.25 257.87 Yeah . 257.87 ES2012d C FEE047 2 257.635 258.819 257.66 258.58 'S a little longer . 258.58 ES2012d B FEE046 1 259.943 261.371 260.23 261.371 Wee - ES2012d B FEE046 1 263.056 263.424 263.08 263.38 Mm . 263.38 ES2012d C FEE047 2 264.56 265.552 265.08 265.37 Yeah . 265.37 ES2012d A MEE045 0 276.112 279.982 276.14 279.95 What's on the next one ? Oh right yes , let's have a look at the um 277.98 278.7 ES2012d A MEE045 0 282.72 285.536 282.78 285.43 f finance . Um , now 284.15 285.12 ES2012d A MEE045 0 289.464 293.333 289.52 293.13 we're given a a clear design brief , uh 292.43 ES2012d A MEE045 0 298.864 302.016 299.18 301.8 if I get the uh spreadsheet up . 301.8 ES2012d A MEE045 0 303.264 303.488 303.36 303.44 Oh . 303.44 ES2012d D MEE048 3 309.952 311.296 310.0 311.26 Uh yeah , just click there . 310.69 311.26 ES2012d A MEE045 0 311.552 312.192 311.552 312.192 . 312.192 ES2012d D MEE048 3 312.505 313.152 312.72 313.12 Uh the - ES2012d D MEE048 3 313.521 315.152 313.65 315.1 the maximise button . 315.1 ES2012d A MEE045 0 315.728 317.338 315.75 317.23 Oh right . Ah . 316.92 317.23 ES2012d A MEE045 0 319.504 360.239 319.52 360.2 Good , this is why we need to make these things simple so that the uh the the the boss can understand . Now I've um this is the company's uh uh costing for for various uh uh aspects of design and I I I've treated some of these slightly uh liberally given the constraints placed on us , um I wouldn't know for in for instance if if they require us to have it in the corporate colours , then that is not a special colour , that's a that's a standard colour . Uh , so we're just simply on batteries , the the one th the one decision I've had to make is that um 319.92 324.71 343.84 348.55 349.92 352.44 353.29 356.24 ES2012d A MEE045 0 361.106 395.245 361.14 395.15 we're we will have to find a s a regular standard chip to to do this with and I I um I'm I'm I'm certain that they they are around so , um that I don't think is a a serious problem . The uh the the voice sensor is is expensive but we we made a a basic decision that that was absolutely fundamental to the to the design so that that has to stay . Um then again the the the the shape of the case means that it's it's expensive to uh um 372.53 376.56 388.07 ES2012d A MEE045 0 396.322 425.888 396.47 425.68 l to make 'cause of the the th the double curves but on the other hand because of our overall fashion concept um we we should exceed the the sales targets . Um it's simply made of plastic so th that's uh that's no problem and uh um just because the whole the colour of the the whole thing that's uh uh there's some cost there . Um and uh 407.94 423.79 ES2012d A MEE045 0 426.96 433.216 427.34 433.17 we haven't actually got a scroll wheel we we we got push buttons and and a simple uh um - ES2012d A MEE045 0 434.272 469.024 434.272 468.99 slider so um and the and the the buttons are uh uh well I do don't know that they're special colour . Anyway the the costings uh come in at exactly on target at twelve point five uh but I thi I think we have a a very strong case to argue that uh what what we've got is is so in innovative and uh and different that um any any slight compromise we have to make on on cost is is offset by the uh you know the 446.31 ES2012d A MEE045 0 470.464 509.68 470.67 509.59 uh you know the the the the concept of it being a a fashion accessory and and having the the interchangeable covers so uh um you know the if if if the management expect us to be techno again fail again technologically innovative um that they they have to accept that we we can't operate absolutely within uh the constraints that they give , so uh we we we present this as the uh the company's uh the the company's way forward and uh uh I I think we can argue that we we have uh come in on on budget . Um . 493.72 508.42 509.59 ES2012d B FEE046 1 471.112 471.767 471.38 471.61 Mm . 471.61 ES2012d B FEE046 1 491.091 491.936 491.6 491.87 Mm . 491.87 ES2012d A MEE045 0 512.05 515.808 512.19 515.6 Okay , uh . 514.68 515.6 ES2012d A MEE045 0 517.2 519.008 517.56 518.96 So um . 518.96 ES2012d A MEE045 0 520.384 525.648 521.16 525.61 Does anybody want to uh uh Andrew do you want what do you want to say about um - ES2012d A MEE045 0 527.2 533.227 527.76 533.09 the uh yeah the evaluation where where you know well where where we're where where we're at ? 533.09 ES2012d D MEE048 3 528.272 528.896 528.29 528.84 Evaluation . 528.84 ES2012d D MEE048 3 533.904 537.385 533.92 537.385 The the product or the project ? 536.82 ES2012d A MEE045 0 535.888 538.368 535.91 538.25 The the the well the I meant the product . 538.25 ES2012d D MEE048 3 538.304 544.176 538.42 544.176 Um , well well my presentation just now ? Sure , uh can I get the 539.8 542.86 543.33 ES2012d A MEE045 0 542.256 546.383 542.28 546.22 Yeah . Oh sorry yeah um , mm . 544.19 545.42 546.22 ES2012d D MEE048 3 548.452 549.078 548.65 548.98 Cheers . 548.98 ES2012d A MEE045 0 549.061 551.926 549.061 551.56 Mm . 551.56 ES2012d A MEE045 0 553.92 556.592 553.94 556.54 More loud clicks in the microphone . 556.54 ES2012d D MEE048 3 569.553 570.929 569.553 570.65 There we go , oh . 570.43 570.65 ES2012d D MEE048 3 572.991 580.224 573.14 580.19 Method of evaluation testing the product was to just if it met all the criteria all the conditions that we set out to - ES2012d D MEE048 3 582.192 586.717 582.21 586.62 set out to solve , from the point of view of the the consumer and the management . So 583.97 586.25 ES2012d D MEE048 3 587.888 591.504 587.91 591.39 what I've been asked to do is , on the whiteboard 590.72 ES2012d D MEE048 3 593.2 594.416 593.28 594.25 um gauge - ES2012d D MEE048 3 594.992 605.253 595.01 605.12 our team response to these questions . So , on a scale of one to seven , one being true and seven being being false . 599.2 600.97 601.95 605.12 ES2012d A MEE045 0 604.736 607.989 604.736 607.67 Seven being a nice round number to work to . 607.67 ES2012d D MEE048 3 607.024 608.016 607.024 607.98 Yeah . 607.98 ES2012d D MEE048 3 609.136 611.024 609.17 610.9 And then at the end just take an average - ES2012d A MEE045 0 611.168 612.037 611.72 611.94 Tr - ES2012d A MEE045 0 612.294 615.056 612.31 614.73 On for true and seven for flase . 614.73 ES2012d D MEE048 3 616.372 620.128 616.59 619.95 Yes . 619.95 ES2012d A MEE045 0 617.13 617.784 617.2 617.42 Yes . 617.42 ES2012d D MEE048 3 627.696 629.424 627.72 629.26 So uh . 629.26 ES2012d D MEE048 3 637.312 642.944 637.312 642.76 So , look at these questions . Is the device f flashy and fashionable ? 637.83 639.92 642.76 ES2012d A MEE045 0 643.68 645.585 643.74 645.42 Well I think most definitely . 645.42 ES2012d B FEE046 1 644.078 646.902 644.25 646.81 Yeah I'd say definitely a one yeah . 646.81 ES2012d C FEE047 2 644.096 645.842 644.27 645.61 I think it is yeah . 645.61 ES2012d D MEE048 3 648.321 652.887 648.35 652.61 So uh and also uh technologically innovative ? 652.61 ES2012d A MEE045 0 652.73 655.456 652.9 655.39 Yes the voice technology indeed . 655.39 ES2012d B FEE046 1 653.049 655.281 653.25 655.19 Yeah , defi yeah , yeah 653.8 654.94 ES2012d C FEE047 2 653.472 653.964 653.49 653.9 Yeah . 653.9 ES2012d D MEE048 3 658.72 660.208 658.9 659.57 Easy to use ? 659.57 ES2012d A MEE045 0 660.032 662.335 660.05 662.24 I don't see we could've made it any easier . 662.24 ES2012d C FEE047 2 660.328 661.052 660.35 660.86 Yeah . 660.86 ES2012d B FEE046 1 660.536 661.303 660.72 661.2 Yeah . 661.2 ES2012d D MEE048 3 665.712 669.267 665.79 669.267 Uh suitable for the consumer ? That was um 667.71 ES2012d A MEE045 0 668.077 669.404 668.33 669.28 Totally . 669.28 ES2012d B FEE046 1 668.816 670.048 668.84 669.88 Yeah definitely . 669.88 ES2012d C FEE047 2 669.376 672.416 669.4 672.38 Yeah I think it made we met all of the consumer - ES2012d B FEE046 1 672.894 673.604 673.03 673.36 Yeah . 673.36 ES2012d D MEE048 3 673.447 673.953 673.71 673.83 Yeah . 673.83 ES2012d C FEE047 2 675.072 675.992 675.22 675.84 wants . 675.84 ES2012d D MEE048 3 676.592 678.505 676.62 678.38 Uh is it complicated ? 678.38 ES2012d A MEE045 0 678.048 678.864 678.07 678.3 No . 678.3 ES2012d C FEE047 2 678.12 678.926 678.36 678.76 No . 678.76 ES2012d D MEE048 3 680.128 684.0 680.15 683.48 Doing pretty well so far aren't we ? Uh functional ? 682.55 683.48 ES2012d A MEE045 0 683.92 684.44 683.94 684.21 Yeah . 684.21 ES2012d B FEE046 1 683.978 685.456 684.0 685.29 Yeah definitely . 685.29 ES2012d C FEE047 2 684.132 684.615 684.2 684.5 Yeah . 684.5 ES2012d D MEE048 3 687.872 688.56 687.98 688.53 Um . 688.53 ES2012d D MEE048 3 689.466 691.36 689.466 691.31 Where are we ? 691.31 ES2012d A MEE045 0 691.344 696.739 691.344 696.739 found easily . yeah I mean that's that's 694.03 ES2012d D MEE048 3 693.698 697.487 693.72 697.38 We've b built in the the speech , where are you , function . 695.85 696.62 697.38 ES2012d B FEE046 1 694.552 695.174 694.72 695.11 Yeah . 695.11 ES2012d B FEE046 1 696.057 697.664 696.29 697.52 Yeah . Yeah , mm-hmm . 696.59 697.23 697.52 ES2012d C FEE047 2 696.755 697.455 696.8 697.29 Yeah . 697.29 ES2012d A MEE045 0 697.136 697.984 697.16 697.88 Yeah . 697.88 ES2012d D MEE048 3 698.549 699.456 699.01 699.37 Uh-huh . 699.37 ES2012d A MEE045 0 701.195 703.723 701.25 703.38 Does it take long to learn to use ? Shouldn't . 702.95 703.38 ES2012d B FEE046 1 703.552 705.2 703.57 704.85 No , not at all . 703.93 704.85 ES2012d D MEE048 3 703.937 704.495 704.1 704.36 Mm-hmm . 704.36 ES2012d D MEE048 3 706.666 712.314 706.76 712.07 And uh , what else ? The R_S_I_ compares to the current standards , well . 707.31 709.49 711.64 712.07 ES2012d A MEE045 0 711.38 713.528 711.38 713.3 Less buttons so it must be . 713.3 ES2012d B FEE046 1 711.788 712.67 712.1 712.67 Uh - ES2012d D MEE048 3 713.12 716.667 713.14 716.667 We we uh yeah it was our it was a we made an actual effort to - ES2012d B FEE046 1 713.588 718.56 713.68 718.48 Yeah it is sorta the the handle more ergonomically correct as well . 718.48 ES2012d C FEE047 2 718.672 719.376 718.69 719.2 Yeah . 719.2 ES2012d B FEE046 1 718.728 720.08 718.728 720.05 yeah . 720.05 ES2012d A MEE045 0 719.296 721.034 719.37 720.96 So yeah , um um . 720.46 720.96 ES2012d D MEE048 3 723.462 726.544 723.61 726.48 Um will device appeal to all age groups ? 726.48 ES2012d A MEE045 0 726.464 735.21 726.52 735.21 I think it will because I mean uh old older people who can't manage the buttons anyway will actually probably like the like like the voice bit so - ES2012d B FEE046 1 726.838 727.776 727.12 727.74 Mm . 727.74 ES2012d C FEE047 2 727.21 728.464 727.5 728.37 I think so . 728.37 ES2012d D MEE048 3 731.6 744.0 731.73 743.97 Yeah , uh that's a good call , yeah . Well we had the we had the data saying that old people will be less likely to pay extra money but the funct the increased functionality , the e ease of use of the device might make up for that . 732.62 733.44 734.48 741.7 743.97 ES2012d B FEE046 1 732.548 733.17 732.67 733.0 Mm . 733.0 ES2012d B FEE046 1 744.16 744.72 744.29 744.53 Mm . 744.53 ES2012d A MEE045 0 744.64 747.776 744.66 747.34 And it's it's it's well I don't think we're actually - ES2012d A MEE045 0 748.992 752.044 749.01 752.044 charging a particular premium anyway , in the end , so 751.12 751.76 ES2012d B FEE046 1 751.116 763.546 751.23 763.5 I I I think it will tend to appeal more to younger aged groups just 'cause we have gone with the fashion focus and the younger people tend to would be more conscious of that aspect of it , but um I think it should still appeal on a certain level to everybody , yeah . 759.74 763.15 763.5 ES2012d D MEE048 3 751.174 751.661 751.27 751.55 Mm . 751.55 ES2012d C FEE047 2 751.73 752.375 751.88 752.29 Yeah . 752.29 ES2012d A MEE045 0 755.191 756.938 755.5 756.7 Yeah . Yeah . 756.19 756.7 ES2012d A MEE045 0 761.92 768.881 761.94 768.881 It will appeal f for dif for different reasons but it's it's uh yeah yeah so I I yeah I - ES2012d C FEE047 2 763.391 766.915 763.69 766.6 Yeah I think just the simplicity of it and - ES2012d B FEE046 1 763.848 765.193 763.91 765.07 Yeah , yeah . 764.28 765.07 ES2012d B FEE046 1 765.68 766.515 765.7 766.31 Yeah , yeah . 766.11 766.31 ES2012d C FEE047 2 768.821 773.536 768.99 773.38 not having to learn to programme and not having you know a million buttons . 773.38 ES2012d B FEE046 1 770.568 773.297 770.568 773.14 Yeah . 773.14 ES2012d A MEE045 0 771.043 776.896 771.25 776.77 Yeah , so I think we can reasonably say it's another another one , why not ? 772.18 776.27 776.77 ES2012d B FEE046 1 775.433 776.012 775.53 775.79 Mm . 775.79 ES2012d D MEE048 3 777.817 785.43 777.99 785.43 Uh can you just click the my mouse to move onto next page ? Uh , yeah and what h did we make the management's 781.41 781.83 ES2012d A MEE045 0 783.625 807.289 783.625 806.94 in in in in my interpretation of management's instructions uh is that yes it it meets the requirement is t it's television only , it's it's simple to use , um it's it's it's within budget , um I it's uh yes an an any minor points we we we argue . 792.64 794.87 799.01 806.94 ES2012d B FEE046 1 791.641 792.185 791.72 791.87 Yep . 791.87 ES2012d B FEE046 1 792.736 793.376 792.76 793.23 Mm-hmm . 793.23 ES2012d C FEE047 2 795.846 797.656 796.2 797.5 Under the cost . 797.5 ES2012d B FEE046 1 797.045 798.759 797.29 798.62 Mm-hmm . Yep . 798.52 798.62 ES2012d D MEE048 3 807.76 808.416 807.78 808.36 Um . 808.36 ES2012d A MEE045 0 808.336 812.793 808.53 812.57 So uh I I think we've done an amazing job in uh - ES2012d B FEE046 1 810.944 811.426 811.16 811.29 Yep . 811.29 ES2012d D MEE048 3 812.32 813.124 812.32 813.01 Okay . 813.01 ES2012d B FEE046 1 812.544 815.136 812.544 814.89 Well done us . 814.89 ES2012d A MEE045 0 813.517 815.21 813.517 815.21 coming up with what - ES2012d D MEE048 3 813.936 826.917 813.936 826.84 So uh one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven . Eleven divided by eleven's one so equals average of one . 820.87 826.84 ES2012d C FEE047 2 823.21 824.465 823.25 824.13 Yeah , . 824.13 824.13 ES2012d A MEE045 0 824.688 827.888 824.688 827.72 Need a need a calculator for that . 827.72 ES2012d D MEE048 3 837.376 842.672 837.4 841.96 And that roughly concludes my evaluation of the of the product . 841.96 ES2012d B FEE046 1 840.426 841.264 840.54 841.12 Excellent . 841.12 ES2012d A MEE045 0 840.624 848.838 840.97 848.75 Okay , nick the cable back then . Ooh . Right do um 842.3 846.81 847.08 ES2012d C FEE047 2 842.511 844.608 842.56 844.46 I mixed up the colours a little bit . 844.46 ES2012d B FEE046 1 842.784 845.12 842.784 845.12 Oh no that's - ES2012d C FEE047 2 845.229 847.52 845.229 847.3 I think I all wrong . 847.3 ES2012d A MEE045 0 849.792 852.724 849.81 852.48 either of you want to uh say anything ? 852.48 ES2012d B FEE046 1 852.856 853.677 852.98 853.56 Uh . 853.56 ES2012d A MEE045 0 855.354 855.945 855.51 855.78 Mm . 855.78 ES2012d C FEE047 2 855.486 856.572 855.62 856.38 Mm . 856.38 ES2012d A MEE045 0 856.465 858.034 856.58 858.034 Before I uh - ES2012d C FEE047 2 857.823 873.504 858.52 873.504 Ps I don't think so , I mean I think we worked well together and looked really at what the consumers wanted and what we were trying to make and you know , seemed to discuss things pretty well and come to group consensus and 860.25 868.71 ES2012d A MEE045 0 860.378 861.064 860.44 860.67 No . 860.67 ES2012d B FEE046 1 860.512 863.689 860.512 863.689 . 863.689 ES2012d A MEE045 0 862.402 862.957 862.46 862.8 Yeah . 862.8 ES2012d A MEE045 0 865.25 865.781 865.35 865.65 Yeah . 865.65 ES2012d B FEE046 1 870.653 871.056 870.76 871.02 Mm-hmm . 871.02 ES2012d A MEE045 0 873.424 914.464 873.44 914.36 Well that's right , I mean th this this slide here I mean the satisfaction with uh room for creativity , I mean I think we've allowed ourselves uh as much creativity as the uh the the the product uh allows . Um I won't comment on leadership , uh teamwork I think we've uh I think everybody's uh worked pretty well together . Um we've just about coped with the whiteboard and digital pens , uh I think the results speak for itself and new ideas found , um , again gi no given relatively everyday product , I think we've v very uh very effectively come up with a a new uh 874.05 878.65 886.66 888.9 894.75 898.47 903.79 904.49 910.74 ES2012d B FEE046 1 878.127 880.348 878.35 879.91 Mm . Yeah , definitely . 879.01 879.4 879.91 ES2012d C FEE047 2 884.158 884.81 884.35 884.69 Yeah . 884.69 ES2012d B FEE046 1 891.568 893.104 891.59 892.37 Mm-hmm . 892.37 ES2012d B FEE046 1 899.737 900.365 899.93 900.32 Mm . 900.32 ES2012d C FEE047 2 910.24 910.784 910.26 910.64 Yeah . 910.64 ES2012d B FEE046 1 910.726 911.319 911.01 911.18 Yep . 911.18 ES2012d A MEE045 0 916.152 927.777 916.48 927.59 uh a new approach . Um are the costs within budget ? Yes . Is the project evaluated ? We're we're all happy that it it meets all the criteria , um 918.73 920.57 920.94 922.39 926.48 ES2012d B FEE046 1 922.369 922.923 922.61 922.83 Yep . 922.83 ES2012d A MEE045 0 931.488 942.416 931.96 942.36 Thank you very much indeed , I think that I think that's uh I think we can go f for an early bath . So I call the meeting closed . 933.38 940.03 942.36 ES2012d B FEE046 1 932.638 937.024 933.09 936.43 Cool , thank you , 933.47 936.43 ES2012d C FEE047 2 933.424 934.352 933.57 934.31 Alright . 934.31 ES2012d C FEE047 2 935.945 937.216 936.18 936.47 Yeah . 936.47 ES2012d C FEE047 2 942.576 943.536 942.73 943.37 Okay . 943.37 ES2012d A MEE045 0 945.936 948.128 945.96 948.01 Not sure how far ahead of schedule we were there . 948.01 ES2013a D FEE052 3 22.483 23.686 22.78 23.58 Is this okay ? 23.58 ES2013a A FEE049 0 27.392 32.224 27.56 31.93 Uh yeah . Fine now . 30.28 31.93 ES2013a A FEE049 0 47.36 51.056 47.43 50.73 Oh , it's not liking us , it went that-a-way . 47.62 49.47 50.73 ES2013a A FEE049 0 53.943 56.786 54.1 56.64 Computer adjusting . Oh . 56.32 56.64 ES2013a A FEE049 0 61.968 62.32 61.99 62.13 Uh . 62.13 ES2013a A FEE049 0 78.964 81.696 79.35 81.61 Okay . So . 80.98 81.61 ES2013a A FEE049 0 88.336 89.232 88.5 89.04 Right . 89.04 ES2013a A FEE049 0 98.976 99.968 99.0 99.93 You ready back there ? 99.93 ES2013a A FEE049 0 104.277 105.653 104.45 105.56 Uh okay . 105.56 ES2013a A FEE049 0 107.072 119.505 107.09 119.38 Welcome everyone . Um this is the kick-off meeting for the day . Um we're the new group uh to create a new remote control for Real Reaction . 108.64 111.88 119.38 ES2013a A FEE049 0 120.926 137.162 120.98 137.08 As you can see our agenda is to open up the meeting , um become acquainted with each other , um have a little training on tools , uh create a plan , discuss things and and we only have twenty minut twenty five minutes total . 125.39 127.87 131.6 133.26 137.08 ES2013a A FEE049 0 138.996 174.928 139.05 174.89 Okay . The new remote control is to be original , trendy and user-friendly . That , Steph , is your part , is the user-friendliness . The originality um is gonna take all of us . Um the trendiness we'll probably go look at for some marketing research information from you , Sarah . Um and we'll get on with it . Okay , so we'll have a functional design individual work um with meeting and then conceptual design t and then detailed design . 140.01 143.4 145.93 146.27 146.75 147.41 149.37 153.36 159.44 160.53 163.65 164.33 174.89 ES2013a A FEE049 0 176.192 190.792 176.55 190.792 Okay ? Right . Everybody's supposed to try out the whiteboard . Kate , why don't you try it first , if you can either bring your things with you , I guess 178.92 180.79 183.96 184.27 186.4 189.88 ES2013a B FEE050 1 187.792 191.984 188.01 191.37 Uh yeah , if I can pick up with all these bits and pieces , hang on . 188.25 190.98 191.37 ES2013a A FEE049 0 191.728 199.704 191.76 199.59 And while you're doing that we'll try and figure out how to hook these things on as well , 'cause we're all gonna have to be able to walk around . 197.38 199.59 ES2013a B FEE050 1 208.414 223.328 208.55 223.328 Uh right , so you want an animal and the characteristics of that animal . Do you have to be able to recognise what animal it is ? Um 209.43 215.79 222.3 ES2013a A FEE049 0 217.792 221.792 217.81 221.76 Uh I do not think so , I think it's just to try out the whiteboard . 219.39 221.76 ES2013a C FEE051 2 230.192 232.559 230.192 232.44 Are we all gonna draw a cat ? 232.44 ES2013a B FEE050 1 232.384 237.106 232.384 236.87 Only animal I could thin I could draw . 236.87 ES2013a D FEE052 3 232.278 233.381 232.66 233.15 I know . 233.15 ES2013a A FEE049 0 232.768 238.251 232.768 238.2 Ah . 238.2 ES2013a B FEE050 1 242.24 251.802 242.26 251.802 Its a sort of bunny rabbit cat . You can tell it's not a bunny rabbit by the ears . Um I suppose it should have a mouth as well , sort of 245.44 248.16 251.35 ES2013a A FEE049 0 247.689 248.447 247.91 248.12 Uh-huh . 248.12 ES2013a A FEE049 0 251.968 252.56 252.04 252.41 Okay . 252.41 ES2013a B FEE050 1 253.024 254.81 253.07 254.71 Right , yeah . 254.1 254.71 ES2013a A FEE049 0 254.576 257.296 254.6 257.13 Great . And the characteristics ? 255.47 257.13 ES2013a B FEE050 1 255.694 265.712 255.75 265.712 Um the favourite characteristics of the cat um the whiskers I think , um because they're the easiest to draw . In fact , I'll give it some more 261.0 264.09 264.5 ES2013a A FEE049 0 263.381 264.012 263.62 263.93 Uh-huh . 263.93 ES2013a B FEE050 1 268.368 269.504 268.368 269.32 Oh , and the tail 268.62 ES2013a A FEE049 0 268.471 269.067 268.53 268.94 Okay . 268.94 ES2013a A FEE049 0 272.632 278.176 272.72 278.14 Fantastic . Since you're handy as well , why don't you do yours next , Steph . 274.54 276.27 277.75 278.14 ES2013a A FEE049 0 285.44 287.712 285.46 287.66 I think it's to get us used to using the pen . 287.66 ES2013a B FEE050 1 287.632 292.48 287.632 292.48 Yes . Um sure it's not to test our artistic 289.61 ES2013a A FEE049 0 292.768 295.125 292.81 295.125 Uh no . 294.93 ES2013a B FEE050 1 298.874 300.33 299.25 300.19 It's a mouse . 300.19 ES2013a A FEE049 0 299.638 300.411 299.74 300.37 A mouse-y ? 300.37 ES2013a C FEE051 2 300.382 302.132 300.84 302.0 That's not a mouse-y , no . 301.7 302.0 ES2013a B FEE050 1 302.144 303.328 302.16 303.29 No it's not a mouse . 303.29 ES2013a B FEE050 1 306.608 308.272 306.73 308.2 It's a wombat . 308.2 ES2013a A FEE049 0 307.343 307.909 307.46 307.66 Oh . 307.66 ES2013a C FEE051 2 315.568 316.592 315.59 316.45 It's a ratty . 316.45 ES2013a A FEE049 0 317.136 318.983 317.16 318.7 Argh . Rat . 318.46 318.7 ES2013a B FEE050 1 317.824 318.272 317.84 318.16 A what ? 318.16 ES2013a C FEE051 2 318.32 319.296 318.4 319.23 A ratty . 319.23 ES2013a A FEE049 0 320.208 321.44 320.23 321.36 Not a mouse , a rat . 320.73 321.36 ES2013a B FEE050 1 320.608 328.88 320.63 328.42 A webbed foot . Webbed f Oh right . 321.92 328.42 ES2013a C FEE051 2 322.303 325.07 322.303 325.07 It's clothes . That's it's clothes . 323.55 324.77 ES2013a C FEE051 2 326.192 328.24 326.21 328.2 It's a ratty with a with a with a very long tail . 328.2 ES2013a A FEE049 0 330.528 333.856 330.7 333.77 And your favourite characteristics of that animal . 333.77 ES2013a C FEE051 2 331.213 332.91 331.6 332.69 I love whiskers . 332.69 ES2013a C FEE051 2 334.16 338.624 334.18 338.57 Uh they're intelligent and they're cheeky and - ES2013a C FEE051 2 340.08 349.088 340.16 349.04 uh fantastic pets and very friendly . And they sit on your shoulder and whisper the answers to your homework in your ear when you're doing your homework . 344.07 349.04 ES2013a A FEE049 0 341.84 344.55 341.97 344.43 Oh . Okay . Kate ? 342.92 344.1 344.43 ES2013a D FEE052 3 352.512 353.696 353.16 353.64 Thanks . 353.64 ES2013a A FEE049 0 379.28 380.448 379.44 380.41 Oh , a fish . 379.64 380.41 ES2013a B FEE050 1 381.839 387.6 381.839 387.6 Gosh , why didn't I think of fish ? That's even easier to draw than cat . 382.49 383.45 387.23 ES2013a C FEE051 2 381.856 382.568 381.89 382.51 A shark ? 382.51 ES2013a D FEE052 3 387.115 402.023 387.48 401.91 Mm this is very representational fish . Um I like them because they're sleek and they have a lot of freedom but they also do n uh swim in groups , so . 391.52 401.56 401.91 ES2013a A FEE049 0 390.32 391.895 390.34 391.83 Oh , okay . Fine . 390.4 391.2 391.83 ES2013a A FEE049 0 392.734 394.288 392.85 394.2 Favourite characteristics ? 394.2 ES2013a A FEE049 0 401.487 402.048 401.76 401.91 'Kay . 401.91 ES2013a A FEE049 0 403.072 407.529 403.09 407.529 So they have team elements . 407.14 ES2013a D FEE052 3 403.116 404.713 403.17 404.57 Do you have a favourite one ? 404.57 ES2013a A FEE049 0 411.125 412.976 411.27 412.94 I'm afraid I'm with Steph . 412.94 ES2013a A FEE049 0 414.688 417.632 414.72 417.6 And I think your pen's running out of whatever . 417.6 ES2013a A FEE049 0 419.296 430.032 419.5 429.99 But I'm afraid I take the coward's way out , and the cat's looking the other way . He's hiding . 424.33 429.04 429.99 ES2013a A FEE049 0 431.264 444.592 431.28 444.46 Um cats are sometimes very independent . My parents had cats . Uh and they can mm decide for themselves what is best . 435.23 437.58 444.46 ES2013a A FEE049 0 450.569 451.994 451.09 451.84 Okay . 451.84 ES2013a A FEE049 0 454.064 501.28 454.08 501.13 Now um we have to get down to the nitty-gritty of how to make this and this remote control has to be sold um we're to sell it for twenty five Euros , with a profit aim ultimately of fifty million Euros . That tells you something about how many um we have to sell on an international scale . Um would be an awful lot of these , would be like what , a hundred million of them um to make twenty five Euros on each one and to make a total profit of fifty million . Um the production is to only cost twelve and a half Euros per item . 469.88 475.53 483.71 485.79 486.49 495.48 501.13 ES2013a A FEE049 0 503.456 518.576 503.48 518.48 Now if they cost twelve and a half , you're selling it for twenty five , you're making twelve and a half Euros each . Um and we're to make a profit of fifty million , that's t uh can you do the maths and how many are we selling ? 506.7 508.39 511.62 514.53 518.48 ES2013a D FEE052 3 518.782 523.071 518.782 523.071 Uh yeah . I was just wondering if that's the um 521.11 ES2013a D FEE052 3 524.144 527.024 524.16 527.024 If fifty percent is normal - ES2013a A FEE049 0 527.744 528.768 527.76 528.67 Mark-up ? 528.67 ES2013a D FEE052 3 528.352 531.056 528.37 530.95 B yeah . Um I would think would be more like sixty percent . 528.91 530.95 ES2013a D FEE052 3 531.797 536.768 531.82 536.62 But um let me I have two thoughts . One hundred , fifty percent . 534.78 535.12 536.62 ES2013a A FEE049 0 532.912 533.612 532.95 533.46 Okay . 533.46 ES2013a D FEE052 3 538.096 540.768 538.24 540.73 And and your question is how many do we have to sell ? 540.73 ES2013a A FEE049 0 540.944 556.208 541.06 556.15 Yes , 'cause our market um is international and your problem is has to do with marketing of you know , you gotta know how many we're going to be selling to know how big a market you have to target and who is that . 541.73 548.99 556.15 ES2013a D FEE052 3 550.99 552.09 551.08 551.92 At twenty five . 551.92 ES2013a D FEE052 3 554.64 555.104 554.67 555.07 Mm-hmm . 555.07 ES2013a D FEE052 3 556.672 558.512 556.78 558.512 Yeah , that's um 557.08 ES2013a A FEE049 0 559.984 562.031 560.0 561.92 To give you a pretty good idea of where you're looking . 561.92 ES2013a D FEE052 3 561.856 563.312 561.88 563.28 So that's four million of them ? 563.28 ES2013a A FEE049 0 563.744 565.037 563.77 564.94 Something like that ? 564.94 ES2013a A FEE049 0 566.864 567.408 566.89 567.32 Okay . 567.32 ES2013a D FEE052 3 567.66 568.048 567.76 568.01 Yeah . 568.01 ES2013a A FEE049 0 569.776 578.248 569.8 578.248 That's fifty million Euros . In order to make fifty million Euros , and you're only getting twelve and a half each 572.42 574.78 ES2013a D FEE052 3 572.356 573.394 572.48 573.394 And if we make - ES2013a D FEE052 3 578.656 579.12 578.69 579.07 Mm-hmm . 579.07 ES2013a A FEE049 0 580.411 582.832 580.77 582.8 That's a lot of selling . 582.8 ES2013a D FEE052 3 584.08 584.32 584.12 584.29 Yeah . 584.29 ES2013a A FEE049 0 584.384 585.74 584.4 585.74 Two four - ES2013a D FEE052 3 586.475 587.703 586.79 587.43 Four million . 587.43 ES2013a A FEE049 0 587.36 591.744 587.38 591.71 To be fifty , be four million . You'd have to sell four million . 588.92 590.44 591.71 ES2013a D FEE052 3 592.077 592.438 592.1 592.24 Hmm . 592.24 ES2013a A FEE049 0 593.68 594.304 593.71 594.21 Okay ? 594.21 ES2013a A FEE049 0 595.808 597.552 596.41 597.49 Right . 597.49 ES2013a A FEE049 0 602.976 612.352 603.0 612.32 Experience with a remote control . Any of you use of remote control for a television or D_V_D_ or something ? You're both nodding , all three . 605.07 610.73 611.68 612.32 ES2013a B FEE050 1 610.606 617.456 610.71 617.456 That that that's the sorta product we're talking about , one that will work for a in a home environment , for a T_V_s and 612.9 614.98 ES2013a D FEE052 3 610.636 611.402 610.73 611.09 Yeah . 611.09 ES2013a A FEE049 0 616.016 616.649 616.04 616.59 Well - ES2013a A FEE049 0 618.32 632.592 618.34 632.56 I've seen some remote controls that are for more than one device at a time , but I also have heard about them not working well or not well co-ordinated and you wind up working with this one for thi this three and then this one over here for another . 623.68 632.56 ES2013a C FEE051 2 631.12 647.456 631.14 647.32 It is true that you always sit around you know , you're sitting on your sofa and you wanna change something , there's five different remotes , and one for the D_V_D_ and one for the video and one for cable and one for whatever else . But I presume this is t I presume this is just for television . 633.92 636.45 637.77 643.63 647.32 ES2013a D FEE052 3 639.767 640.508 639.93 640.35 Mm-hmm . 640.35 ES2013a D FEE052 3 642.032 643.088 642.64 643.05 Y yeah . 643.05 ES2013a A FEE049 0 643.136 644.88 643.16 644.81 And they don't always talk to each other . 644.81 ES2013a A FEE049 0 647.744 648.336 647.76 648.3 Don't know . 648.3 ES2013a A FEE049 0 649.904 658.08 649.92 658.05 Okay . Are there any um ideas for the remote ? What would it be for and what group would be be for ? 650.51 654.52 658.05 ES2013a A FEE049 0 660.592 662.224 660.61 662.18 We have to think about that one . 662.18 ES2013a D FEE052 3 663.056 664.608 663.13 664.56 We could make a Hello Kitty - ES2013a D FEE052 3 665.492 666.563 665.56 666.35 themed remote . 666.35 ES2013a C FEE051 2 668.478 671.584 668.63 671.584 I think one in b bright colours would be good . 671.28 ES2013a D FEE052 3 670.508 685.392 670.68 685.24 Yeah . We could totally go for the Japan-a-mation . Well I mean there's also the cachet that um uh the Japanese make great products . Electrical their industrial design is very good . 671.69 674.98 682.05 685.24 ES2013a B FEE050 1 671.328 676.32 671.328 676.32 I think one that works would be good . 676.09 ES2013a C FEE051 2 685.376 692.64 685.64 692.61 I think one that doesn't have lots of superfluous functions . Like I've got one at home that has 690.12 ES2013a C FEE051 2 694.368 698.8 694.41 698.09 well , apart from the obvious , channels , channel up , channel down , volume , 694.59 695.71 696.29 696.81 697.41 698.09 ES2013a D FEE052 3 700.112 700.64 700.31 700.61 Yeah . 700.61 ES2013a C FEE051 2 700.992 707.2 701.01 707.12 you know , subtitles , mute , there's a lotta buttons that I've got no idea what they do , like . 701.46 702.28 703.47 706.41 707.12 ES2013a D FEE052 3 706.111 728.56 706.45 728.52 Well , that's a really good point , because I think one of the things that being somewhat computer literate , we tend to um go to menus and then make choices , you know , so if it's like an uh volume button , you know , you can go in and say mute or or volume . We don't need to have like the l the numbers if we also have uh uh channel up channel down . 707.61 708.57 713.19 717.06 717.33 719.95 720.19 722.4 728.52 ES2013a A FEE049 0 708.896 709.479 708.92 709.27 Okay . 709.27 ES2013a C FEE051 2 727.088 727.717 727.16 727.58 Mm . 727.58 ES2013a A FEE049 0 729.328 729.744 729.36 729.69 Mm . 729.69 ES2013a A FEE049 0 731.025 732.065 731.025 731.89 Okay . 731.89 ES2013a D FEE052 3 731.088 735.787 731.14 735.72 Mm . We can make it smart like an iPod , you know , make everything menus . 731.86 734.14 734.44 735.72 ES2013a C FEE051 2 743.408 744.688 743.47 744.65 Ooh , closing the meeting . 743.74 744.65 ES2013a A FEE049 0 745.699 753.012 745.77 752.86 Yeah . Um I know this sounds like it was very quick , but the 746.76 751.02 ES2013a C FEE051 2 746.949 748.352 747.19 747.99 That was quick . 747.99 ES2013a A FEE049 0 754.96 803.616 754.98 803.58 I think that's the industrial design is the first one , that's Kate , for the working design . And user , that's you S Steph , for the technical functions design , and for marketing the user requirements specification . I think there's going to be a lot of we have to help each other and work through this as a group , and I think we all , you know , we like our kitty-cat and our rat and our fish , but I think we all have to like each other um to get this done . Uh as it says , we're gonna get individual instructions , but uh I don't think they allowed a lot of extra time , so I think a little bit of less of this and more at do will set us in good stead . Do you all agree ? 757.89 759.17 761.48 763.14 765.18 768.08 772.14 778.26 779.84 780.93 783.73 788.88 789.7 792.63 795.5 802.71 803.58 ES2013a B FEE050 1 756.68 757.175 756.77 757.04 Mm . 757.04 ES2013a B FEE050 1 758.928 759.328 758.95 759.29 Mm-hmm . 759.29 ES2013a C FEE051 2 803.872 804.224 803.93 804.14 Mm-hmm . 804.14 ES2013a B FEE050 1 804.24 804.992 804.27 804.93 Mm-hmm . 804.93 ES2013a A FEE049 0 805.424 822.432 805.44 822.32 Alright . Um then I don't see any reason to prolong it and f we should finish this meeting at ni right now and go into other things . Alright , so this is the end of the first meeting . Thank you all . 806.88 816.35 816.98 821.15 822.32 ES2013a D FEE052 3 819.008 819.566 819.14 819.41 Okay . 819.41 ES2013a B FEE050 1 819.424 819.984 819.77 819.92 'Kay . 819.92 ES2013b A FEE049 0 3.77 6.261 3.94 6.17 Uh it fell off . 6.17 ES2013b A FEE049 0 11.995 14.128 12.07 14.09 One , two , three , four , yeah , we're ready . 12.37 12.69 13.11 13.26 13.51 14.09 ES2013b A FEE049 0 19.456 38.974 19.48 38.92 Okay . Welcome to this second meeting . Um it's now quarter after twelve and we're given forty minutes um for this meeting . This is a meeting on functional design . Um and I wanna welcome you all and thank you all for doing some research in between . 20.51 22.96 29.6 33.42 38.92 ES2013b A FEE049 0 39.796 77.088 39.84 77.01 Um I did took the minutes from the first meeting and I'll show them to you in a moment . Um I know each of you have a presentation and um in thinking about the forty minutes , I thought it would take only like three minutes for the previous minutes , um each of you having about seven minutes or maybe a little more , maybe a little less for your pre presentations and a little discussion , because there's I happen to have been told there were some new project requirements and we have to make some uh decision on what functions it will have . Okay ? 46.42 52.75 56.65 60.36 65.93 76.14 77.01 ES2013b A FEE049 0 78.096 80.504 78.12 80.4 Is this ap everybody agree with this ? 80.4 ES2013b C FEE051 2 78.591 79.154 78.66 79.09 Yes . 79.09 ES2013b B FEE050 1 78.245 79.701 78.96 79.38 Oops . 79.38 ES2013b D FEE052 3 81.129 81.693 81.32 81.66 Yes . 81.66 ES2013b A FEE049 0 81.872 106.576 81.89 106.54 Okay . Um and after the meeting there'll be things to be done and as you can see it says we get to get lunch , um and then some more individual work and then putting minutes away and individual actions . Um but uh now for the minutes of the first meeting . 83.31 92.05 99.81 106.54 ES2013b A FEE049 0 107.616 151.584 107.84 151.55 And go to that one . Um as you can see it was this earlier today . Um Kate , Steph , Sarah and myself in our four capacities were present . I opened the meeting , the product was developed uh and reviewed , and we talked about the financial end of it . Um and it had some implications , um the four million sales target and new ideas of not too many buttons , bright colours and some of the influence of the Japanese . And we closed early so you could then proceed with your research and getting your reports together for tod this meeting 110.52 115.11 116.85 117.43 121.59 123.49 128.01 131.04 133.6 140.7 145.08 ES2013b A FEE049 0 152.672 161.568 152.672 161.53 Anybody have any questions on those minutes ? Are they complete , did they discuss everything that we covered last time ? 156.8 157.83 161.53 ES2013b A FEE049 0 163.664 164.016 163.68 163.95 'Kay . 163.95 ES2013b B FEE050 1 164.464 171.952 165.42 171.92 Uh I think so , we we we talked about the the individual roles that we each had as well . 167.01 171.92 ES2013b A FEE049 0 166.432 167.296 166.45 167.26 Did I miss something ? 167.26 ES2013b D FEE052 3 171.62 172.08 171.67 172.03 Mm-hmm . 172.03 ES2013b A FEE049 0 172.176 193.611 172.2 193.42 Yeah . I'm afraid I incorporated that when I said who was present , but yes , we did , and we did a little bit of uh team building of uh of making the pictures , but I didn't think those were appropriate to the minutes necessarily . So um as a group I think we've are they're accepting the minutes . 174.04 176.89 178.37 178.82 183.1 187.69 193.42 ES2013b B FEE050 1 177.008 177.52 177.008 177.38 Okay . 177.38 ES2013b D FEE052 3 195.136 197.384 195.16 197.21 Okay , I accept the minutes . 196.12 197.21 ES2013b A FEE049 0 195.872 198.224 195.91 198.11 And uh okay . 198.11 ES2013b D FEE052 3 198.752 200.064 198.77 200.0 Is that what we're supposed to say ? 200.0 ES2013b A FEE049 0 200.032 207.632 200.05 207.57 Yeah . Good . Um , then we'll move to the three presentations . 203.18 204.16 204.86 207.57 ES2013b C FEE051 2 201.12 201.76 201.14 201.64 Yeah , I do . 201.41 201.64 ES2013b A FEE049 0 208.448 209.584 208.47 209.26 Okay ? 209.26 ES2013b D FEE052 3 211.04 211.456 211.06 211.42 Okay . 211.42 ES2013b A FEE049 0 212.496 213.514 212.57 213.37 Okay . 213.37 ES2013b A FEE049 0 216.16 222.155 216.19 222.155 Mm we need to move this . Who wants to go f first ? 218.17 221.96 ES2013b A FEE049 0 224.208 225.817 224.39 225.75 That's as far as it goes . 225.75 ES2013b C FEE051 2 228.624 233.712 229.02 233.67 Uh not really meant to touch those microphones . Oh it doesn't have any on , does it ? That's fine . 231.86 232.71 233.34 233.67 ES2013b D FEE052 3 237.552 238.816 237.58 238.6 Excellent , thank you . 238.18 238.6 ES2013b B FEE050 1 237.771 240.352 238.34 240.23 Oy , big loop under the table . 238.76 240.23 ES2013b A FEE049 0 261.968 263.76 262.04 263.73 She said we didn't need to screw it in . 263.73 ES2013b D FEE052 3 264.016 264.592 264.11 264.54 Okay . 264.54 ES2013b D FEE052 3 267.056 268.866 267.38 268.44 Okay , that looks good . 267.51 268.44 ES2013b A FEE049 0 269.499 272.416 269.61 272.28 It's doing its thing . There we are . 271.63 272.28 ES2013b D FEE052 3 272.448 276.192 272.56 275.94 Alright . Thank you very much . Um . 273.82 275.14 275.94 ES2013b D FEE052 3 277.568 287.776 277.59 287.74 One of the the biggest issues I found about um from last meeting was the fact that we need to sell four million of these um - ES2013b D FEE052 3 288.88 299.456 289.01 299.456 remote controls and I think that this is an opportunity to really take Real Reaction in the direction of of similar - ES2013b D FEE052 3 300.48 342.496 300.5 342.44 of handheld tools that have been used and are used by many of us and to kind of bring the remote control into the si same realm as an accessible um useful electronic device , as opposed to something that is lost in the couch and what have you . So um my main goal here is to re-envision the remote control in in this context and to think about menu functionality and current technology and the fact that it could be interactive with other tools . Um some of the research uh in the market has shown that people really are not happy with remote controls as they are now , and um that means we do need to 313.66 317.19 331.81 339.77 ES2013b D FEE052 3 344.16 387.665 344.18 387.6 make some decisions about what what keys or or buttons on the on the remote control to perhaps keep and and what ones to discard . And if we devote some energy into this , I think the um recent productions of Real Reaction , the I go everywhere power and the high definition D_V_D_ players although it makes immediate sense to have our remote control interact with these , I think we can also use this as a platform to make it interact with other tools . And um in fact I think the high definition D_V_D_ players and all of this will come along in the uh will only benefit from the positive feedback 353.74 357.51 362.54 374.19 378.72 ES2013b D FEE052 3 388.293 420.592 388.293 420.54 from our well designed tool . So again , most uh users really dislike the current look and feel of remote controls . Um fifty percent I think of all these uh numbers the most important is fifty percent of user say they only use ten percent of the buttons . And eighty percent of users , and if we think about this there are a lot of uh television , D_V_D_ , stereo remote control users out there , eighty percent would spend more money on a remote control that looks fancy . 390.24 392.77 397.3 406.31 408.48 413.05 413.74 416.49 420.54 ES2013b B FEE050 1 421.12 424.491 421.14 424.491 Could can I ask where these figures come from , is this market research we've 422.95 ES2013b D FEE052 3 423.424 430.416 423.44 430.36 Um it was market research and there were a hundred people in the room , so eighty out of a hundred said they would spend more money . 426.4 430.36 ES2013b A FEE049 0 430.608 451.824 430.63 451.79 Now in between , as the Project Manager , they sent me an email from the powers that be um that teletext is outdated um and the internet is coming in as important , but that they want this remote control to only be for T_V_ um with incorporating the corporate image , colour and slogan . 432.17 433.53 443.14 450.59 451.79 ES2013b B FEE050 1 430.632 431.196 430.8 431.08 Mm-hmm . 431.08 ES2013b D FEE052 3 436.544 436.944 436.56 436.91 Mm-hmm . 436.91 ES2013b D FEE052 3 452.016 452.512 452.1 452.46 Mm-hmm . 452.46 ES2013b D FEE052 3 453.744 500.016 453.744 499.96 Well I think we can I I think we can really focus on this remote and and again bring the Real Reaction um brand in in and and get some positive marketing for our other tools , even if we directly don't um advertise for the I go everywhere line . So an interesting um element was the would you pay more for speech recognition question . So these market research uh uh questionnaires looked into your your uh concern about technology and s specifically wanted to 470.75 480.02 487.82 ES2013b A FEE049 0 478.925 479.673 479.05 479.33 Mm . 479.33 ES2013b A FEE049 0 489.792 490.608 489.91 490.31 Hmm . 490.31 ES2013b D FEE052 3 501.264 503.504 501.28 503.45 find out information about speech recognition . 503.45 ES2013b A FEE049 0 504.064 505.276 504.1 504.94 Okay . 504.94 ES2013b D FEE052 3 504.944 505.568 504.96 505.51 Now - ES2013b D FEE052 3 507.376 539.792 507.45 539.792 the early adopters , those of us who grew up with technology and uh luck lucky for us have the uh cash to to pay for it , the young age group without the mortgages and responsibilities , ninety one percent of them would pay more for speech recognition in a remote control . Very interesting , I I leave this up to the group to decide if we wanna use this uh if and you know , the the designers , but ninety one percent , fifteen to twenty five 509.15 518.67 523.27 529.62 530.4 535.97 537.0 538.42 ES2013b A FEE049 0 536.144 536.544 536.17 536.51 Mm . 536.51 ES2013b A FEE049 0 538.144 541.008 538.47 540.97 Is that a large enough target market to target it ? 540.97 ES2013b D FEE052 3 541.392 557.472 541.41 557.472 Well , I I I think especially in terms of growth , I think this would be a very smart group to target . I mean s three quarters of the next age group , twenty five to thirty five are interested , and uh with the technologies improving , if we can get these uh 541.69 545.3 548.45 550.79 553.28 556.1 ES2013b A FEE049 0 558.288 566.224 558.31 566.1 In real numbers , does the ninety one percent and the seventy six percent translate to ex in excess of the four million ? 559.25 566.1 ES2013b D FEE052 3 558.324 560.21 558.324 559.97 Yeah . 559.97 ES2013b D FEE052 3 564.112 564.838 564.35 564.838 To - ES2013b D FEE052 3 566.496 567.616 566.496 567.57 Um yes . 567.57 ES2013b A FEE049 0 567.28 568.288 567.3 568.23 Or eight million . 568.23 ES2013b D FEE052 3 568.464 588.464 568.49 588.41 Yes . But would you pay more and does it work and is it approachable and and did I know that it was it was an that's a that's a very good question . I don't know if speech recognition should be um should be included , but I think it's an interesting I think that maybe shows more about uh 569.72 579.46 584.33 ES2013b A FEE049 0 576.128 577.053 576.34 576.86 Hmm . 576.86 ES2013b A FEE049 0 578.822 579.771 578.822 579.58 Yeah . 579.58 ES2013b B FEE050 1 579.368 579.839 579.47 579.839 Um - ES2013b A FEE049 0 584.384 584.688 584.4 584.65 Mm . 584.65 ES2013b D FEE052 3 589.728 591.088 589.8 591.05 being open to technology . 591.05 ES2013b C FEE051 2 591.248 606.144 591.37 606.01 Uh it definitely needs uh a lot more research on like how much more it would be and any , you know , existing examples , and what reactions to them have been , and that sort of thing . 599.23 599.49 601.75 604.35 606.01 ES2013b A FEE049 0 591.55 592.206 591.7 592.15 Mm . 592.15 ES2013b D FEE052 3 593.661 594.434 593.68 594.36 Shall I go back ? 594.36 ES2013b D FEE052 3 597.888 598.656 597.91 598.62 Yeah , yeah . 598.27 598.62 ES2013b D FEE052 3 603.84 604.144 603.86 604.11 Yeah . 604.11 ES2013b B FEE050 1 604.117 620.0 604.49 619.96 How d I'm wondering how how ou how our target price compares with the the typical price of these things . I expect an Industrial Designer should know that , but if we're aiming to to build this thing for twelve Euros fifty , um is that a lot or a little ? 611.21 613.01 618.35 619.96 ES2013b D FEE052 3 620.24 642.496 620.31 642.46 Exactly . I mean I I I uh did not receive any information on that , but I think the competition , sussing out what other people are doing and what's in the pipeline is very very important , because um there is a question about do you want an L_C_D_ screen and and that wasn't responded to , but uh some of the larger 620.97 624.55 626.74 633.05 640.25 ES2013b D FEE052 3 644.08 665.692 644.1 665.692 remotes do have screens where you can navigate , you know , so it turns into something uh perhaps you all have seen uh the Osbournes where Ozzy Osbourne is is attempting to manage his super entertainment system with something that looks like a uh a small tray . You know , it's I a and I think , you know 648.03 648.24 662.19 662.63 664.73 ES2013b B FEE050 1 661.868 673.494 661.868 673.494 Sh surely he's in the wrong age group . He must be w one of a s small population . 666.12 673.27 ES2013b D FEE052 3 668.189 678.112 668.189 678.112 No , no , you Kate , you're exactly right there . But I think the key is to get the early adopters , people who are familiar with technology and and uh they'll be 668.99 669.24 670.11 671.57 674.55 ES2013b A FEE049 0 669.36 670.654 669.39 670.16 Mm . 670.16 ES2013b A FEE049 0 678.08 682.96 678.15 682.91 But we're not looking at whether they're early adopters on that screen , that's looking at age groups . 681.34 682.91 ES2013b D FEE052 3 679.905 681.109 680.07 680.9 Uh , mm . 680.6 680.9 ES2013b D FEE052 3 681.778 698.66 681.82 698.66 Exactly . I yes , and I'm making and I'm making the the uh uh leap that people who are familiar younger people are l are more familiar with technology than than older people . Or comfortable , you know , um so 683.13 683.71 695.64 696.36 696.83 ES2013b A FEE049 0 687.579 689.68 687.78 689.68 Leap . 689.41 ES2013b A FEE049 0 694.704 695.104 694.72 695.07 Hmm . 695.07 ES2013b A FEE049 0 696.816 697.312 696.84 697.25 Mm . 697.25 ES2013b A FEE049 0 699.2 702.256 699.22 702.22 Okay , you had the other power channel . 699.52 702.22 ES2013b D FEE052 3 701.459 713.776 701.74 713.66 I think the most important thing is an attractive streamlined remote control and to be extraordinarily reductionist , power , channel , volume and everything else is is uh 708.95 709.38 709.76 ES2013b D FEE052 3 715.568 717.088 715.66 717.05 up to the designers . 717.05 ES2013b D FEE052 3 718.848 723.184 718.848 723.15 And this is this is also supported by the market research . 723.15 ES2013b A FEE049 0 723.872 724.678 724.0 724.42 Okay . 724.42 ES2013b D FEE052 3 726.224 728.304 726.224 728.27 Thank you . That's my contribution . 727.11 728.27 ES2013b A FEE049 0 728.576 734.99 728.88 734.42 Alright . And we'll turn to the next presentation . 731.0 734.42 ES2013b A FEE049 0 746.192 749.792 746.21 749.69 I think she said we don't need to screw it in , just stick it in . 748.51 749.69 ES2013b A FEE049 0 751.136 762.56 751.19 762.51 And then press , what ? F F_N_ and F_ eight . Next to the control button on the bottom , and then F_ eight at the top . 752.83 753.46 757.98 760.34 762.51 ES2013b C FEE051 2 762.914 764.234 763.03 764.05 Yeah , press them . 763.48 764.05 ES2013b A FEE049 0 763.6 766.0 763.66 766.0 And then w be patient . 765.32 ES2013b C FEE051 2 768.349 769.628 768.49 769.44 Yeah , here we go . 768.78 769.44 ES2013b A FEE049 0 770.336 770.944 770.36 770.89 Tada . 770.89 ES2013b B FEE050 1 772.704 775.552 772.83 775.49 And if you want it to go into slide show mode , it's that little button there . 774.42 775.49 ES2013b C FEE051 2 777.232 779.168 777.3 779.0 Can I not just uh - ES2013b C FEE051 2 780.608 781.6 780.64 781.57 do each one in order ? 781.57 ES2013b B FEE050 1 782.448 788.463 782.47 788.11 I you can if you like , it it that that just sets it up to do a p a p no that one , that one there . 783.4 787.71 788.11 ES2013b A FEE049 0 786.448 788.8 786.47 788.75 There we are . Yay . 788.08 788.75 ES2013b C FEE051 2 786.428 786.873 786.59 786.77 That ? 786.77 ES2013b C FEE051 2 788.413 789.012 788.61 788.78 That ? 788.78 ES2013b B FEE050 1 789.232 793.632 789.25 793.58 Left , left a bit , left a bit , that one , yep . And then you just press the click when you wanna go on . 789.52 789.97 790.35 790.77 791.55 793.58 ES2013b C FEE051 2 790.162 790.646 790.27 790.47 That ? 790.47 ES2013b C FEE051 2 795.968 797.776 795.99 797.72 Right , technical functions design . 796.33 797.72 ES2013b C FEE051 2 800.832 819.376 800.94 818.77 Uh well I think first off , basically I do agree with what Sarah has defined as as uh your personal preferences,yeah . I think we need uh a more streamlined volume with no extraneous functions . 803.4 812.18 818.77 ES2013b C FEE051 2 820.848 829.216 820.92 829.18 So my method was to look at the existing remotes and what functions they have . And what we all need to discuss is whether we want these functions 825.88 ES2013b C FEE051 2 830.4 841.44 830.49 841.31 uh pretty much the same as what existing remotes have . If we can build on this with the speech recognition , that's not something I'd thought about at all , but it's also something we can discuss . 833.92 837.23 839.68 841.31 ES2013b A FEE049 0 843.664 844.416 843.85 844.38 Okay . 844.38 ES2013b C FEE051 2 844.544 856.304 844.56 856.26 Um and and I presume we can miss out the functions really to to a video or D_V_D_ remote control , if this is only gonna be a , you know , satellite , cable , T_V_ 851.57 854.04 854.24 854.94 855.63 ES2013b A FEE049 0 854.018 855.39 854.13 855.16 T_V_ only . 855.16 ES2013b C FEE051 2 857.584 862.096 857.62 862.06 remote control . So these are two models of existing remote controls . 858.89 862.06 ES2013b C FEE051 2 863.968 865.36 863.99 865.32 Uh the one on the left - ES2013b A FEE049 0 865.845 867.085 865.845 866.85 Ugh . 866.85 ES2013b C FEE051 2 866.255 867.936 866.44 867.9 seems to be a fairly - ES2013b C FEE051 2 869.696 892.56 869.73 892.45 uh standard universal remote control . It has fast-forward , stop , play , all relating to movies . It also has seems to have channel up and channel down , which is which is more what you'd expect from a , you know , like a Sky or cable remote control where you've got hundreds of channels instead of a merely terrestrial one . 872.23 873.79 874.28 875.13 877.39 880.73 884.86 885.25 892.45 ES2013b A FEE049 0 886.895 887.669 887.13 887.54 Hmm . 887.54 ES2013b C FEE051 2 894.208 903.024 894.23 902.66 Uh but I think we should be looking more along the lines of the one on the right , which has it also has play , stop and pause and everything , I don't think we need them at all . 898.08 900.02 901.43 902.66 ES2013b C FEE051 2 904.192 907.536 904.21 907.5 I think we just need channel selection , 907.5 ES2013b C FEE051 2 908.848 911.344 908.89 911.21 volume up , volume down and 909.53 ES2013b C FEE051 2 914.416 925.344 914.44 925.31 I think an an enter function where you can access it's not like teletext , but along the same lines , access things on the screen . Uh 920.38 922.45 924.84 ES2013b C FEE051 2 926.336 932.944 926.36 932.87 not related to the internet one that you mentioned , because that'd be far outside our budget and what we want this to do . 928.59 932.87 ES2013b A FEE049 0 933.28 933.856 933.31 933.6 Mm . 933.6 ES2013b A FEE049 0 935.36 938.064 935.45 938.03 And exceed the requirements they're expecting of us . 938.03 ES2013b C FEE051 2 935.407 945.904 935.51 945.87 So it really exceed the requirements , 'cause the requirements really are just want to be able to change channels and functions , which 938.38 945.47 ES2013b C FEE051 2 946.896 965.338 946.92 965.26 is more a text on the screen thing than uh than actual buttons o I was thinking something some smooth , sleek , little remote control with big user-friendly buttons and uh a menu that you can access . 956.5 957.06 965.26 ES2013b A FEE049 0 951.376 952.183 951.52 952.06 Okay . 952.06 ES2013b A FEE049 0 959.368 960.184 959.55 960.05 Alright . 960.05 ES2013b C FEE051 2 967.216 970.272 967.25 970.24 Uh but then I do think we need to discuss the speech - ES2013b C FEE051 2 971.536 975.248 971.6 975.13 um recognition possibility . 975.13 ES2013b A FEE049 0 975.504 981.456 976.74 981.33 Okay . Any uh thing else you wanna add ? Okay . 978.58 980.77 981.33 ES2013b C FEE051 2 979.573 980.481 979.84 980.38 No . 980.38 ES2013b C FEE051 2 982.464 984.512 982.48 984.512 But we could go back to the pictures of the - ES2013b C FEE051 2 985.568 987.376 985.78 987.33 uh , what're they called ? 986.65 987.33 ES2013b C FEE051 2 989.607 991.472 989.8 991.44 The pictures of the remote controls - ES2013b C FEE051 2 993.248 1000.448 993.27 1000.41 and possibly discuss what we think about them , but maybe should hear what Kate has to say first . 997.54 1000.41 ES2013b D FEE052 3 996.352 997.793 996.5 997.793 Or if - ES2013b D FEE052 3 999.664 1000.192 999.77 1000.16 Yeah . 1000.16 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1000.848 1003.776 1000.87 1003.64 Yeah . Let's hear what Kate has to say . 1001.93 1003.64 ES2013b C FEE051 2 1003.664 1005.04 1003.68 1004.29 Okay then . 1004.29 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1003.418 1011.846 1003.71 1011.7 Maybe afterwards we could do a uh whiteboard with that your the one on the right as a as a - ES2013b D FEE052 3 1012.672 1013.456 1012.8 1013.42 basis . 1013.42 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1014.441 1014.954 1014.53 1014.81 Hmm . 1014.81 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1015.344 1016.36 1015.36 1016.07 Whiteboard session . 1016.07 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1018.308 1023.616 1018.38 1023.616 I think the white that one on the right is , as well as less cluttered , 1020.5 1023.57 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1022.918 1023.563 1023.0 1023.36 Mm-hmm . 1023.36 ES2013b C FEE051 2 1023.616 1027.648 1023.64 1027.648 Definitely less cluttered and I mean but still it's - ES2013b C FEE051 2 1028.832 1038.976 1028.9 1038.91 Sorry I was just I'll just uh resume something else I was gonna say . The the style of these is terrible . I I I really think we need to uh 1032.46 1035.47 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1029.024 1030.335 1029.05 1030.335 It's there but it's - ES2013b A FEE049 0 1035.424 1036.096 1035.44 1035.94 Yeah . 1035.94 ES2013b C FEE051 2 1040.208 1053.904 1040.23 1053.86 not only possibly even materials , like the type of plastic used , but everything including size and shape of buttons , positioning of buttons , the actual shape of the hand-held device , colours , 1042.41 1043.98 1048.56 1050.18 1053.11 1053.86 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1054.208 1057.51 1054.24 1057.51 The ergonomics , the way it fits in your 1055.66 ES2013b C FEE051 2 1055.632 1062.448 1055.66 1062.448 just every e yeah , everything to do with this has to be revolutionised . 1057.29 1062.2 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1056.014 1056.94 1056.09 1056.67 Hmm . 1056.67 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1059.328 1059.68 1059.54 1059.65 Yeah . 1059.65 ES2013b C FEE051 2 1063.744 1064.112 1063.83 1064.112 But - ES2013b C FEE051 2 1068.432 1069.664 1068.53 1069.61 So that's that for now . 1069.61 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1071.312 1071.872 1071.38 1071.79 Cheers . 1071.79 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1099.136 1113.648 1099.16 1113.52 Mm , I haven't actually got a display on my screen . Still , I'll do without that . Okay um , now I wanna bring us down to earth again I'm afraid and talk about the actual practicalities of how the thing needs to work . 1099.23 1102.05 1102.34 1104.89 1106.29 1113.52 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1101.344 1102.176 1101.37 1102.12 Okay . 1102.12 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1115.904 1138.96 1115.904 1138.75 Um oh and this is the methodology I used in preparing for this meeting . Um basically I've been doing a little bit of web-based research , and if I had a design team , I would've been discussing my ideas with 'em . But the the net result is that I've come up with a first cut for the working design that I'd like to discuss with you . 1123.32 1128.14 1129.65 1133.19 1138.75 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1141.728 1164.432 1141.75 1164.432 So , let's go back to what the basic function of a remote control is . It's for sending a message , um typically um via infrared . And the the basic components we've got to build in for our twelve Euros fifty are um an energy source , the user interface and 1142.48 1145.77 1147.93 1152.64 1162.04 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1165.696 1190.08 1165.72 1190.04 which will um in incorporate um an integrated circuit that actually composes the message um based on what the which buttons the user presses , we turn that into a message , um and then we need a sending mechanism to send it to the receiver . Now I would have hoped I think that's my only slide actually , yeah . I would have have hoped to um 1178.19 1180.42 1185.53 1188.24 1188.42 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1192.224 1202.864 1192.28 1202.864 do you a pretty PowerPoint slide of um my first cut design , but unfortunately the technology defeated me , so if you'll bear with me I'll do it on the whiteboard . 1197.55 1199.51 1202.82 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1207.168 1209.568 1207.19 1209.39 So we want an energy source - ES2013b B FEE050 1 1212.352 1214.752 1212.37 1214.41 which is there . 1214.41 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1216.48 1231.392 1216.5 1231.24 And we've got to think about what that might be . Uh we obviously don't want wires on this thing . Uh typically it would be a battery , but I'm open to suggestions . Um and 1218.78 1223.29 1225.01 1228.04 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1219.168 1219.74 1219.19 1219.51 Hmm-mm . 1219.51 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1234.304 1237.84 1234.42 1237.45 then we have the the user interface . 1237.45 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1239.664 1240.544 1239.73 1240.45 Oops . 1240.45 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1246.192 1249.28 1246.25 1249.19 And the main components in there are the - ES2013b B FEE050 1 1257.584 1266.676 1257.63 1266.29 the th the chip that actually has the intelligence of the machine that translates button presses into a message , which it then 1265.23 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1269.712 1274.527 1269.79 1274.3 transfers to some sending mechanism , which encodes it 1272.93 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1286.08 1293.536 1286.1 1293.12 and sends the message to the receiver . So those are the basic things that we've got to get in for our twelve Euros fifty . Thank you . 1288.09 1292.8 1293.12 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1295.456 1295.856 1295.48 1295.75 Hmm . 1295.75 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1298.432 1300.007 1298.89 1299.9 Okay . 1299.9 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1303.056 1312.736 1303.14 1312.65 Right . But those things as long as we can get those components , 1307.24 1312.65 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1314.288 1343.486 1314.36 1343.28 the block , that that rectangle for the user interface , is where the user comes in of what what does it look like ? What do the buttons look like ? Uh what does it feel like ? That's where the user interface is really coming into its own . The technical end is what's actually gonna be in there , but also it has to be easy enough to change or repair if something goes wrong . 1315.17 1319.34 1322.52 1324.94 1326.4 1330.4 1335.25 1343.28 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1329.824 1330.421 1329.85 1330.16 Mm-hmm . 1330.16 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1344.384 1371.168 1344.43 1371.12 For example the battery energy source or um what if the chip , for whatever reason , breaks down after a certain amount of time , do you just replace it ? Um is there any um because it may be in the same area with several other user interfaces , like for D_V_D_s , movies , whatever . Um does it have to have a 1351.81 1353.28 1355.58 1357.7 1365.14 1366.37 1366.84 1367.82 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1372.88 1379.408 1373.45 1379.34 a way of being segregated from the others , in a different frequency or something ? 1377.5 1379.34 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1380.208 1409.296 1380.52 1409.26 Well I may be wrong here , but I'd been thinking of this device as being a a cheap mass-produced device . We're trying to sell four million of 'em , um that's that's , you know , that's almost one in every tenth household or whatever it is . Um and I hadn't thought of it as being a reparable thing , you just if it goes wrong you chuck it out , and that's why I'm a bit concerned . I like the idea of speech recognition , that's a great idea , but I'm not convinced we can put it into this box for the price that we need gonna need to hit . 1381.49 1386.17 1388.64 1389.94 1390.3 1394.15 1398.22 1400.62 1402.17 1403.76 1404.58 1409.26 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1388.192 1388.56 1388.22 1388.51 Mm . 1388.51 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1398.656 1399.408 1398.656 1399.37 Okay . 1399.37 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1409.584 1411.12 1409.75 1411.08 Do we have um - ES2013b C FEE051 2 1409.794 1410.174 1409.84 1410.05 Whoop . 1410.05 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1409.83 1410.672 1410.13 1410.45 Okay . 1410.45 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1412.144 1421.296 1412.16 1421.296 ki some idea of how much it would cost to create a device that has these basic elements ? Because then 1420.43 ES2013b C FEE051 2 1419.523 1422.368 1419.523 1422.32 Isn't that your job ? 1422.32 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1422.517 1426.192 1422.517 1426.12 Oh . 1426.12 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1423.392 1428.16 1423.44 1428.13 No , the chip composer marketing . Oh no , the chip composer sender . 1423.7 1426.53 1426.86 1428.13 ES2013b C FEE051 2 1423.984 1425.867 1423.984 1425.39 Oh right . 1425.39 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1428.08 1432.192 1428.24 1432.15 Mm . What they cost . 1431.33 1432.15 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1429.424 1429.76 1429.44 1429.69 Um , 1429.69 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1429.334 1431.554 1429.45 1431.29 I I don't believe I know , um . 1430.93 1431.29 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1430.825 1438.015 1430.97 1438.015 I'm I'm I'm hoping that my personal coach is gonna give me some advice on that , if you're asking me , but 1434.6 1435.45 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1434.448 1436.804 1434.448 1436.7 Okay . 1436.7 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1434.423 1435.471 1434.84 1435.27 Okay . 1435.27 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1436.139 1444.208 1436.37 1444.17 Be because then we would ha ha figure out how much we had to play with in terms of user interface and this look and feel idea . 1444.17 ES2013b C FEE051 2 1440.022 1440.916 1440.39 1440.916 Yeah . 1440.84 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1440.992 1441.39 1441.01 1441.26 Yeah . 1441.26 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1441.36 1442.007 1441.39 1441.88 Mm . 1441.88 ES2013b C FEE051 2 1444.368 1453.328 1444.39 1453.29 It does it does seem as if we're just to do something really simple and mass-produced , the which is pretty much the same as these existing models , just maybe 1448.6 1452.2 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1448.151 1448.972 1448.28 1448.85 Mm-hmm . 1448.85 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1453.888 1454.64 1453.91 1454.6 Inspired ? 1454.6 ES2013b C FEE051 2 1455.024 1456.8 1455.09 1456.74 a little bit more inspired , 1456.74 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1457.691 1458.373 1457.78 1458.26 Mm . 1458.26 ES2013b C FEE051 2 1457.968 1470.672 1457.99 1470.49 but basically just the same . Although what what uh suddenly came into my head is , you know how they always take two A_A_ batteries which which is really not very efficient at all . 1460.25 1464.79 1470.49 ES2013b C FEE051 2 1472.064 1494.327 1472.08 1494.327 Could it be possible to have uh , you know , like a rechargeable internal battery , like , well , like an M_P_ three player does ? With that you could jus or a mobile phone or whatever . You could you know , you just plug into a power source for a couple of hours , and then it's recharged for ages and ages and ages , and you don't have to worry with replacing A_A_ batteries , which are 1474.99 1475.21 1477.59 1478.62 1478.98 1481.17 1483.98 1484.67 1487.05 1490.22 1493.79 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1477.56 1478.04 1477.61 1477.89 Mm-hmm . 1477.89 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1482.971 1483.501 1482.99 1483.28 Mm-hmm . 1483.28 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1493.248 1502.377 1493.27 1502.21 Well that has another element , which is if every time you're done using the remote you put it on a charger , then you then it has a place . 1494.99 1499.95 1502.21 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1499.72 1500.576 1500.19 1500.38 Mm . 1500.38 ES2013b C FEE051 2 1501.099 1503.186 1501.35 1503.07 You'd never need uh batteries would y uh yeah . 1503.07 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1503.152 1506.667 1503.17 1506.46 Yeah , but it also has a place , so exactly . 1503.31 1504.57 1506.46 ES2013b C FEE051 2 1504.56 1511.584 1504.58 1511.43 And it's not stuck down the back of the sofa . But then again I d I don't know if this is within our price range or not . 1507.83 1511.43 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1506.784 1507.728 1507.21 1507.6 Mm . 1507.6 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1511.728 1513.179 1511.728 1512.99 That's a really good idea . 1512.99 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1512.107 1521.774 1512.49 1521.55 Well I uh think that's a very interesting idea , but um I'm not a very good industrial designer and I don't know much about what these things cost . I'll do some research for the next meeting . 1514.63 1519.6 1521.55 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1521.403 1531.641 1521.52 1531.43 Well it's better than my idea about solar , probably . Yeah , yeah . Depen 1523.97 1528.39 1529.26 1530.89 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1521.531 1522.32 1521.56 1522.05 Okay . 1522.05 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1524.784 1526.016 1524.81 1525.97 Uh yeah . 1525.97 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1526.256 1529.84 1526.38 1529.84 Well solar may not be so good when you're watching T_V_ in the night , but 1529.27 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1529.76 1530.384 1529.78 1530.28 Mm . 1530.28 ES2013b C FEE051 2 1530.704 1532.713 1530.83 1532.713 Well it is just so annoying how - ES2013b A FEE049 0 1531.628 1533.856 1531.7 1533.82 It would have to sor store up the energy - ES2013b D FEE052 3 1533.451 1534.872 1533.59 1534.63 Mm . Yeah . 1534.2 1534.63 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1534.352 1535.469 1534.37 1535.34 Yeah , I guess . 1534.63 1535.34 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1535.136 1537.472 1535.16 1537.43 and then use it . Solar can do that . 1536.16 1537.43 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1536.912 1538.496 1536.93 1538.44 We may be talking quite heavy then . 1538.44 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1538.784 1539.328 1538.8 1539.29 Yeah . 1539.29 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1538.596 1541.648 1539.06 1541.53 M yeah , that would be too heavy and it'd cost too much . 1539.55 1541.53 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1541.568 1542.032 1541.67 1541.93 Mm-hmm . 1541.93 ES2013b C FEE051 2 1542.384 1564.512 1542.41 1564.48 No , but just a rechargeable internal battery would probably I mean it might cost more to at first to develop and to install , but for long-term use it'll be so much more convenient and economic than fiddling around trying to replace chunky A_A_ batteries and not having any in your kitchen drawer and 1542.51 1551.46 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1549.927 1550.518 1550.06 1550.38 Mm-hmm - ES2013b D FEE052 3 1561.746 1562.562 1562.13 1562.42 Mm-hmm . 1562.42 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1565.488 1570.32 1565.63 1570.16 So do you think we might make that a selling point if it was something that we found we could afford to develop ? 1570.16 ES2013b C FEE051 2 1565.666 1566.339 1565.74 1566.15 you know f - ES2013b D FEE052 3 1570.416 1574.073 1570.44 1573.91 Definitely , 'cause I'm thinking in terms of um uh 1570.96 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1571.123 1571.855 1571.4 1571.58 Mm . 1571.58 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1574.821 1576.096 1574.821 1576.03 the - ES2013b D FEE052 3 1577.68 1595.119 1577.68 1595.119 loss and breakage of um remotes , how much of that is is to do with it not really having a uh a home , a um a nest , a place to live , exactly . So if you can dock it , um you know , you could s argue that this is 1581.28 1586.1 1588.26 1589.92 1590.49 1592.37 1593.37 ES2013b C FEE051 2 1586.544 1590.8 1586.58 1590.61 Mm . Sort of have its little dock that you could put it in . 1588.08 1590.61 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1587.312 1587.886 1587.34 1587.85 Mm . 1587.85 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1590.288 1591.504 1590.42 1590.71 Yeah . 1590.71 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1594.176 1599.984 1594.2 1599.95 And the dock could look very fancy and that could be your inspiration of having it looking decent . 1599.95 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1595.927 1597.024 1596.16 1596.98 Exactly . 1596.98 ES2013b C FEE051 2 1598.432 1602.272 1598.45 1602.24 Still I don't know if it's quite within our price range . 1602.24 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1602.257 1606.16 1602.38 1606.12 Mm . 'Cause you are talking about another component , like another piece of hardware . 1602.64 1604.91 1606.12 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1602.448 1603.125 1602.47 1602.86 Hmm . 1602.86 ES2013b C FEE051 2 1605.335 1606.169 1605.63 1606.04 Yeah . 1606.04 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1606.352 1612.032 1606.39 1611.84 Yeah . Okay . Are we agreed as to what our target group is though ? 1607.95 1608.66 1611.84 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1607.824 1608.439 1607.85 1608.15 Mm . 1608.15 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1613.936 1616.64 1613.96 1616.53 Pretty much , so that we'd be looking for the younger end . 1614.46 1616.53 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1614.397 1624.945 1614.53 1624.945 Well I I brought up some exactly , but I think you raised some good questions about are there enough of these people out there , or are they making purchasing decisions ? You know , these are the 1617.13 1620.94 1623.83 1624.03 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1621.527 1622.097 1621.69 1621.91 Mm . 1621.91 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1623.968 1633.244 1623.99 1633.244 Yeah , I was wondering that , because I ag I agree that there there're people with uh how can I put it , more money than sense and who are liable to buy something new , but 1624.35 1625.22 1629.03 1632.77 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1624.144 1624.576 1624.17 1624.54 Mm . 1624.54 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1630.44 1634.208 1630.44 1634.17 I I s usually put more money than brains . 1634.17 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1630.326 1631.992 1630.47 1631.55 Yeah , exactly . 1630.98 1631.55 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1634.128 1653.171 1634.128 1652.97 Bu but what I was gonna say was , although they they may be buying um , you know , personal music devices and all that , are they necessarily buying T_V_ remote controls ? Because they probably live in a household that has a T_V_ if they're at the lower end of the age range , I don't know . 1639.62 1641.85 1642.07 1643.52 1646.48 1652.33 1652.97 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1634.157 1638.481 1634.45 1638.13 Oh oh oh I'll make a note of that , Kate . Good , good comment . 1635.98 1636.27 1637.23 1638.13 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1649.181 1650.08 1649.5 1649.92 Yeah . 1649.92 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1651.984 1661.28 1651.984 1661.18 It might be good to know um uh who , you know , who's actually buying televisions and are we in a uh uh s 1656.27 1656.71 ES2013b C FEE051 2 1652.354 1653.406 1652.46 1653.33 Yeah . 1653.33 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1662.448 1666.112 1662.48 1666.08 region where people have more than one television in a home ? 1666.08 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1665.632 1673.68 1665.65 1673.6 Mm . I think we've got a big hill to climb here , haven't we ? I mean we've gotta persuade people who've got a remote control 'cause it came with the telly that they should buy our product instead . 1666.3 1667.92 1668.27 1673.6 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1668.529 1669.086 1668.63 1668.96 Yeah . 1668.96 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1671.824 1672.506 1672.06 1672.37 Mm . 1672.37 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1674.512 1675.079 1674.53 1674.79 Yeah . 1674.79 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1674.515 1683.36 1674.8 1683.21 Yeah . Or do we s make sure that it goes to the man through the manufacturer ? We sell to the manufacturer as the remote that goes with it . 1675.35 1678.62 1683.21 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1679.744 1682.85 1679.78 1682.66 Right , good point . Yeah , yeah okay , yeah . 1680.15 1681.07 1681.51 1682.22 1682.66 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1681.724 1682.168 1681.76 1682.05 Yeah . 1682.05 ES2013b C FEE051 2 1681.9 1682.786 1682.16 1682.54 Yeah . 1682.54 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1683.376 1685.44 1683.4 1685.32 Yeah . Yeah , good point . 1684.58 1684.81 1685.32 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1683.664 1684.016 1683.68 1683.97 Yeah . 1683.97 ES2013b C FEE051 2 1684.08 1687.267 1684.13 1687.22 That's probably more what it is . 1687.22 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1685.472 1687.984 1685.49 1687.91 What would be a more efficient way of doing it ? 1687.91 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1687.734 1696.023 1687.734 1695.99 Yeah , and and some of our D_V_D_ players incidentally have them , because we have the relationship with our own department , but moreover we need to 1688.34 1692.35 1694.75 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1696.72 1697.282 1696.75 1697.22 Mm-hmm . 1697.22 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1696.754 1699.328 1696.83 1699.29 to go for the the manufacturers . 1699.29 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1699.847 1702.192 1700.11 1702.04 Okay . Right . 1701.62 1702.04 ES2013b C FEE051 2 1701.408 1704.56 1701.408 1704.26 We're not gonna get any resolutions by the end of the day , are we ? 1703.91 1704.26 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1704.032 1741.41 1704.032 1741.41 Probably not . Um the other thing that we're supposed to do is make decision on our functions . Our functions , we've so far decided , I think , that power , channel , volume make it attractive . Um it has to have an enter key and of course the number keys . It has to have big user-friendly buttons and sh n definitely we wanna be inspired that the current 1706.31 1717.66 1718.48 1720.37 1721.7 1722.97 1723.54 1727.53 1732.42 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1704.973 1705.811 1705.01 1705.7 Mm . 1705.7 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1742.592 1744.272 1742.62 1744.18 styles are just plain awful . 1744.18 ES2013b C FEE051 2 1744.306 1745.216 1744.52 1745.17 Yeah . 1745.17 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1745.6 1747.872 1745.62 1747.872 Do we need um let me - ES2013b A FEE049 0 1749.744 1751.292 1749.76 1751.06 Is that agreeable to everyone ? 1751.06 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1750.162 1752.496 1750.32 1752.45 Br actually , um 1751.94 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1751.023 1751.622 1751.2 1751.48 Mm-hmm . 1751.48 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1753.504 1757.968 1753.64 1757.93 the enter key I have a chart here that I didn't include . Um 1757.31 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1756.56 1757.168 1756.59 1757.09 Mm-hmm . 1757.09 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1758.832 1759.848 1758.85 1759.75 Do you want the gizmo ? 1759.75 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1759.696 1762.592 1759.72 1762.592 yeah , which might 1761.07 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1764.16 1766.144 1764.29 1765.84 Throw some light on that . 1765.84 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1765.026 1767.408 1765.12 1767.408 Th yeah , th those are 1765.69 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1770.464 1774.192 1770.464 1774.192 felt like had a lot of charts . 1773.69 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1774.176 1782.591 1774.2 1782.591 Um actually we're , you know , we are almost a half hour out of the forty minutes , so we have to get close to finishing . 1775.97 1776.29 1778.83 1782.53 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1780.512 1794.72 1780.57 1794.68 Okay , I I my only comment is I think maybe um we could somehow include an enter key in like a power key if power power was enter and pow that was my only just really in terms of streamlining . 1781.11 1794.68 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1790.017 1792.144 1790.04 1791.96 Ah . Mm-hmm . 1791.46 1791.96 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1793.328 1794.048 1793.37 1794.01 Okay . 1794.01 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1797.392 1798.387 1797.392 1798.387 Um - ES2013b A FEE049 0 1797.712 1801.856 1797.78 1801.78 Enter , power as a s oh um a sum simultaneous key . 1798.16 1801.78 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1801.023 1805.008 1801.023 1805.008 Exactly . Again , you know , thinking of menus or 1802.64 1803.01 1803.43 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1803.328 1804.632 1803.35 1804.45 Is that okay with you ? 1804.45 ES2013b C FEE051 2 1806.192 1809.856 1806.21 1809.67 Sorry , I was miles away . I was re I was reading the chart to be honest . 1806.6 1807.51 1809.67 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1806.864 1809.808 1806.88 1809.77 Would that uh-huh . 1809.77 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1806.752 1813.744 1807.06 1813.71 H how does that work ? How so so how does that work , how do you avoid switching the thing off when you actually wanna press enter ? 1807.97 1810.79 1813.71 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1813.904 1814.592 1813.92 1814.54 Um - ES2013b D FEE052 3 1815.6 1843.488 1815.62 1843.45 well if you're pressing enter , the the thing would already be on , and so maybe um when you press power , initially it turns it on , press power again and use that as an enter um so you press power after you've um well I was thinking maybe you to turn it off you'd have to press power twice in succession , and maybe power follows something like a channel up channel down power , and then that would make that choice . 1817.47 1819.84 1823.12 1824.46 1837.29 1841.9 1843.45 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1828.78 1831.074 1828.99 1830.86 Then you'd have to have an off te off key . 1830.86 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1835.984 1837.36 1836.1 1837.31 Okay , yep , mm-hmm . 1836.61 1837.03 1837.31 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1837.68 1838.144 1837.71 1838.06 Mm . 1838.06 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1844.544 1845.744 1844.56 1845.69 It's not getting a bit complicated ? 1845.69 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1846.768 1849.472 1846.79 1849.32 Could granny do this , or are we just not aiming at granny ? 1847.62 1849.32 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1846.781 1847.387 1846.81 1847.387 Well - ES2013b D FEE052 3 1849.248 1865.652 1849.36 1865.55 Or y yeah . Or something that has a a turning dial , where at the far end is on or off . Yeah , I don't um I wish . Anyway , uh that was the only comment about um some of the the decisions 1850.44 1854.36 1857.49 1858.03 1860.42 1860.9 ES2013b C FEE051 2 1854.33 1858.589 1854.33 1858.589 Who's got an iPod then ? 1858.43 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1856.576 1858.64 1858.45 1858.48 Mm . 1858.48 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1863.28 1863.856 1863.3 1863.73 Okay . 1863.73 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1866.32 1870.464 1866.34 1870.43 people have made , what's most important . It's definitely channel , volume , power . 1867.04 1868.31 1869.48 1869.96 1870.43 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1868.512 1868.928 1868.53 1868.89 Mm . 1868.89 ES2013b C FEE051 2 1870.432 1874.704 1870.45 1874.66 Yeah , things like screen settings and audio settings , I would generally 1870.8 1873.08 ES2013b C FEE051 2 1875.92 1879.36 1875.94 1879.02 do them on the actual television itself , like here you have a 1878.07 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1877.356 1878.418 1877.51 1878.26 Exactly . 1878.26 ES2013b C FEE051 2 1880.544 1888.96 1880.58 1888.87 you know , a little flap th with a little control panel on the actual box itself . I I wouldn't know how to do it using a remote control , so 1880.8 1885.22 1888.52 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1882.883 1883.9 1883.04 1883.65 Exactly . 1883.65 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1887.92 1888.224 1887.94 1888.19 Yeah . 1888.19 ES2013b C FEE051 2 1890.4 1894.058 1890.48 1893.96 um I would say that they are definitely less relevant . 1893.96 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1894.704 1898.096 1894.73 1898.01 Okay , well . Thanks for looking at that . 1895.6 1896.64 1898.01 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1894.65 1895.536 1894.88 1895.39 Okay . 1895.39 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1904.272 1935.699 1904.29 1935.54 So I guess easy to use is the other thing that we want 'em to be able to do . As you said , you know , don't make it too hard for the granny . I just joined that set last week . Um first grandchild arrived . Um so are we agreed then of those things ? And let's go back to agenda and hook me up . 1909.1 1910.11 1910.55 1914.64 1918.08 1923.11 1930.05 1935.54 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1906.804 1907.6 1906.97 1907.34 Mm-hmm . 1907.34 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1908.8 1910.237 1908.82 1910.237 We don't wanna outsmart - ES2013b D FEE052 3 1915.965 1916.4 1916.04 1916.14 Hmm . 1916.14 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1918.074 1921.325 1918.2 1921.325 Congratulations . 1921.11 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1918.816 1920.439 1918.84 1920.439 Mm . 1920.25 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1922.387 1922.758 1922.48 1922.64 Uh . 1922.64 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1930.066 1930.414 1930.09 1930.26 D - ES2013b A FEE049 0 1939.248 1946.376 1939.32 1945.89 Mm . This oughta be fun . It probably won't go the first time , it'll probably be like a g mess . 1940.76 1942.37 1944.5 1945.89 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1951.456 1952.336 1951.49 1952.16 Come on . 1952.16 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1956.742 1961.376 1956.98 1961.376 Uh it lost it off here . Uh 1960.24 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1958.99 1959.722 1959.13 1959.59 Oh you're fine . 1959.59 ES2013b D FEE052 3 1962.617 1963.299 1962.7 1963.13 It's fine . 1963.13 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1964.048 1966.528 1964.12 1966.47 No , it was up there , but I couldn't see it down here . 1964.32 1964.95 1966.47 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1979.283 1979.704 1979.45 1979.55 Mm . 1979.55 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1985.552 1987.12 1985.57 1987.0 This time it should be both . 1987.0 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1988.112 1988.912 1988.13 1988.87 There we go . 1988.87 ES2013b B FEE050 1 1989.888 1991.504 1989.95 1991.43 How do you do that ? How do you make it do both ? 1990.53 1991.43 ES2013b A FEE049 0 1995.328 2031.296 1995.37 2031.26 Um you have to keep doing the financi the the F_N_ and F_ eight to five minutes to finish , thank you a lot for telling me . Um right , we're ready to close . Um will be completed q questionnaire , um then we'll have some time for individual work to continue our research um and I'll put some minutes of this meeting together . Um your individual assignments are for 2003.31 2005.66 2009.74 2011.49 2016.04 2026.37 ES2013b B FEE050 1 2001.968 2003.699 2001.99 2003.65 Ah okay , it toggles through , yeah . 2002.34 2003.33 2003.65 ES2013b D FEE052 3 2005.472 2006.752 2005.51 2006.72 I think you have to cycle through . 2006.72 ES2013b B FEE050 1 2007.027 2007.527 2007.15 2007.39 Yeah . 2007.39 ES2013b A FEE049 0 2032.816 2036.544 2032.84 2036.5 um Kate to do the components , for 2035.89 ES2013b A FEE049 0 2037.728 2061.456 2037.75 2061.41 you , Steph , to do the user interface and for you the trend-watching . Um and each of us will get help from our coach . Are we agreed to get ourselves together and then have lunch ? Okay . Then that's the end of this meeting . And I hope that's good enough for her to tell her that's the end . Okay ? 2038.02 2038.5 2044.15 2048.62 2053.28 2054.98 2057.0 2060.89 2061.41 ES2013b C FEE051 2 2052.144 2052.72 2052.3 2052.68 Yes . 2052.68 ES2013b B FEE050 1 2052.976 2054.256 2052.976 2053.99 Sounds good . 2053.99 ES2013b B FEE050 1 2061.616 2062.08 2061.64 2062.02 Okay . 2062.02 ES2013b C FEE051 2 2062.864 2066.032 2062.96 2065.87 We didn't come to any sort of decision on the functions though . 2065.87 ES2013b A FEE049 0 2066.281 2077.376 2066.36 2077.34 Well I think I went over the functions and wrote them down and marked them . Um that's what I went over and nobody was objecting to them . 2072.79 2077.34 ES2013b C FEE051 2 2071.104 2072.432 2071.12 2072.25 Alright , well that's fine then . 2071.41 2072.25 ES2013b D FEE052 3 2075.14 2075.878 2075.29 2075.74 Okay . 2075.74 ES2013b D FEE052 3 2077.6 2086.352 2077.73 2086.352 Um and you'd mentioned I I was just gonna say , could you reiterate the new project requirements , because it they were it has to be for a T_V_ , just to keep myself 2080.1 2083.19 2085.34 ES2013b A FEE049 0 2083.133 2084.059 2083.22 2083.7 Okay . 2083.7 ES2013b A FEE049 0 2086.375 2106.448 2086.53 2106.41 Um the teletext is outdated , the internet is important , it's only to be for a T_V_ and it must include the corporate image , colour and slogan um which I think is more in the user uh range , with Steph . 2091.46 2093.78 2099.36 2105.62 2106.41 ES2013b B FEE050 1 2089.888 2093.404 2089.91 2093.404 So we're still in meeting , aren't we ? 2090.88 2093.01 ES2013b D FEE052 3 2091.104 2093.042 2091.12 2093.042 Yeah , I think I've 2091.47 ES2013b D FEE052 3 2101.313 2101.995 2101.33 2101.77 Okay . 2101.77 ES2013b C FEE051 2 2104.56 2104.944 2104.63 2104.89 Mm . 2104.89 ES2013b C FEE051 2 2106.48 2110.45 2106.66 2110.19 Sorry , what what actually are these is that the yellow and black ? 2106.95 2110.19 ES2013b A FEE049 0 2109.84 2111.536 2109.86 2111.35 It doesn't tell me . 2111.35 ES2013b D FEE052 3 2112.464 2112.816 2112.49 2112.78 Mm . 2112.78 ES2013b C FEE051 2 2114.272 2116.128 2114.29 2115.99 From their I'll just use it from their website . 2115.99 ES2013b A FEE049 0 2116.336 2116.864 2116.43 2116.82 Mm-hmm . 2116.82 ES2013b A FEE049 0 2121.024 2121.504 2121.06 2121.43 Okay ? 2121.43 ES2013b C FEE051 2 2121.653 2122.624 2121.653 2122.59 Okay . 2122.59 ES2013b B FEE050 1 2122.384 2122.848 2122.47 2122.71 Okay . 2122.71 ES2013b D FEE052 3 2122.662 2125.312 2122.84 2125.08 Right . Thank you . 2124.18 2125.08 ES2013c A FEE049 0 54.448 100.464 54.47 100.38 Hi Kate . Okay , carry on . Alright um this is the beginning of the third meeting , the conceptual design meeting . Um our agenda should be um that we're opening the meeting , I have the minutes from the previous meeting are on the shared f drive at this point . Um and we should each have a presentation to make . Um we have certain decisions to make and we have forty minutes total . It's twenty five after two at the moment , so forty minutes is five after three , um which I'll be keeping an eye on the clock for us . Okay . 57.44 58.01 60.03 63.93 67.04 72.47 77.8 81.87 86.75 90.46 95.15 99.77 100.38 ES2013c B FEE050 1 57.184 59.726 57.2 59.726 Just just carry on . 59.49 ES2013c A FEE049 0 101.6 111.104 101.6 111.04 Um there are the decisions we have to turn to , but we'll come back to them in a minute after I take us to the 106.06 ES2013c A FEE049 0 112.768 115.984 112.82 115.95 minutes of the previous meeting . 115.95 ES2013c A FEE049 0 120.736 148.784 120.76 148.74 Right um as we remember , I opened the meeting , the four of us were present , the meeting the first meeting's minutes were reviewed and approved . Um Sarah , you presented a marketing research report um which pretty much rep represented that fifteen to thirty five year olds uh it has to be hand-held , power , channel , volume , number keys , possibly a speech recognition . 124.18 125.25 127.23 131.61 132.72 144.15 144.63 145.21 145.91 146.75 148.74 ES2013c A FEE049 0 150.368 201.712 150.39 201.68 And then Steph did a second presentation um that those functions plus streamlining them with big user-friendly keys that were easy to use . I think all of us agreed with those things . Kate presented a working design of going after going over the basics on the whiteboard um that it should be a simple mass-produced device , because of the twelve and a half Pence cost . Um but we did talk about possibly using rechargeable batteries and having a docking place as a selling point . Um and the new requirements that it for be for T_V_ only um and that it include the l so slogan and colour of the uh corporate design be included . Um 163.81 167.04 176.3 179.33 187.15 200.98 ES2013c A FEE049 0 202.736 204.144 202.736 204.06 the corporate image . 204.06 ES2013c A FEE049 0 205.28 232.736 205.66 232.68 So we agreed that the target market would be fifteen to thirty five with more money than sense , that were decision makers . Alternatively it would be a manufacturer to enclose it with the T_V_ , but it still should meet those parameters . Um and that the function we agreed was volume , power , numbers , enter , channels , a way to move between channels , easy to use and hand-held . 212.21 213.86 217.49 220.53 224.77 225.3 226.41 227.31 228.69 230.78 232.68 ES2013c A FEE049 0 233.984 255.296 233.984 255.25 Um at that point we agreed that Sarah would look at the current cost of competition , what what do the current ones sell for . Um and Steph was gonna look at ec ergonomics . Kate was gonna look at cost and feasibility of the various possibilities that we discussed . And I was to type up these minutes and work on the final report . 239.87 242.7 246.43 251.74 255.25 ES2013c A FEE049 0 256.352 261.344 256.37 261.31 Is this a fair presentation of what our last meeting was ? 261.31 ES2013c C FEE051 2 259.021 259.507 259.24 259.47 Yeah . 259.47 ES2013c C FEE051 2 262.24 262.704 262.26 262.67 Yes . 262.67 ES2013c B FEE050 1 262.672 263.088 262.73 262.99 Mm-hmm . 262.99 ES2013c A FEE049 0 263.28 264.192 263.31 263.96 Okay . 263.96 ES2013c A FEE049 0 265.536 271.712 265.73 271.712 Right . So we're ready to close that and go back to our 267.44 ES2013c A FEE049 0 273.984 274.672 274.03 274.59 That one . 274.59 ES2013c A FEE049 0 276.224 279.904 276.24 279.904 Right . We're up to the point of the 277.57 ES2013c A FEE049 0 281.488 282.624 281.51 282.49 Go back . 282.49 ES2013c A FEE049 0 284.08 293.12 284.55 292.98 Um the three presentations . So we're going to pull the plug on me and turn to Sarah . Is that okay ? 288.1 292.53 292.98 ES2013c A FEE049 0 294.544 305.92 294.64 305.84 Is that alright with everybody else ? Especially since Kate asked to be last . Sarah , I'm sorry if I misspelled your name , I didn't know whether it was S_A_R_A_ or S_A_R_H_ . 296.5 300.65 300.96 302.92 305.84 ES2013c C FEE051 2 295.495 296.173 295.59 295.84 Yep . 295.84 ES2013c B FEE050 1 295.856 296.288 295.89 296.21 Mm-hmm . 296.21 ES2013c D FEE052 3 303.693 309.088 303.693 308.8 I respond to either . No worries . 307.43 308.8 ES2013c A FEE049 0 307.371 310.816 307.56 310.76 You respond to whatever you get , huh ? Okay . 308.82 310.37 310.76 ES2013c A FEE049 0 326.144 328.698 326.17 328.698 Um , did you do your Hit 326.74 ES2013c C FEE051 2 328.16 329.095 328.18 329.095 Yeah , 328.93 ES2013c A FEE049 0 329.504 330.88 329.54 330.82 Ah , there it is . 329.89 330.82 ES2013c A FEE049 0 333.814 334.573 333.96 334.48 Ta-da . 334.48 ES2013c D FEE052 3 332.912 375.104 333.99 375.07 Okay , first thing I want to address is um one of the points that Florence brought up , which was uh current cost of the competition devices , similar to the ones that Stephanie uh showed us and and they're uh twenty to sixty Euros , depending on uh branding . Some of them that have a higher brand recognition are on the more expensive end . But I think that with the current um price that we're searching for , we're well within , even on the lower end , of the uh of the market . But I'm going to move on to more interesting um more vibrant things . 334.67 339.66 342.7 351.27 353.79 357.73 362.5 363.85 365.81 368.66 375.07 ES2013c C FEE051 2 353.489 353.844 353.55 353.78 Right . 353.78 ES2013c A FEE049 0 367.606 368.288 367.78 368.25 Mm 'kay . 368.25 ES2013c D FEE052 3 376.128 385.504 376.128 385.46 So , I investigated the remote control market in greater detail , and my uh the theme of what I was to work on was uh trend watch . 377.52 380.89 385.46 ES2013c D FEE052 3 386.592 387.6 386.61 387.6 And - ES2013c A FEE049 0 387.664 388.313 387.83 388.1 'Kay . 388.1 ES2013c B FEE050 1 389.728 403.275 389.728 403.275 Sorry . I'm glad to see the marketing budget is being so well spent on . 395.25 403.17 ES2013c D FEE052 3 400.592 412.48 400.592 412.41 I know that you all are a distance from cutting edge marketing research , so you know , I'm just gonna try to cloak it in really professional terms here . What's hot , fruit and veg . 405.45 406.37 410.95 411.62 412.41 ES2013c D FEE052 3 413.504 446.656 413.52 446.62 Spongy . And this is all over the catwalks , Paris , Milan , and I'm talking about clothing , furniture , shoes . This is really interesting change from past years , because it is much more organic , um some would say approachable . And I think if we're to refashion our view of what we want in a remote control , we should perhaps think about incorporating technologically interesting fabrics 415.25 416.83 417.21 417.58 420.41 421.7 424.16 428.44 430.92 433.36 440.36 ES2013c A FEE049 0 428.442 429.176 428.57 429.04 Mm . 429.04 ES2013c D FEE052 3 447.808 451.808 447.83 451.77 and some of the bold colours into a simple - ES2013c D FEE052 3 453.136 458.24 453.16 458.2 handset . So . I also did a little research on um 454.0 455.83 ES2013c D FEE052 3 459.216 517.296 459.216 517.24 what again are the most important priorities in uh decision making about uh purchasing . Fancy . Functional is out . And f the fancy , and that's exactly the term , I'm I'm thinking polished , elegant , you know , kind of innovative , but a cut above . This is twice as important as the next finding , which is technologically innovative . This is interesting , 'cause I think in the last meeting we were talking about technology as being so important , but maybe what's innovative is having it simple with um with uh technologically superior fabrics or uh , you know , designed in interesting substances . Ease of use . Again , pretty low , I mean it's the top three , but each of the uh fancy and technologically innovative are far more important . So 467.24 468.51 470.43 472.38 473.59 475.96 478.7 478.93 479.92 481.19 483.91 486.05 486.79 490.73 504.3 504.83 507.52 508.54 509.09 509.81 510.91 516.77 ES2013c D FEE052 3 519.2 532.016 519.22 531.98 I think we should cloak the streamlined remote control device in a series of fruit fruit themed sleeves . 531.98 ES2013c B FEE050 1 532.064 540.352 532.064 540.352 I think that's a good idea . Don't you ? 533.8 539.93 ES2013c D FEE052 3 533.479 535.984 533.479 535.984 Y yeah , you know 535.44 ES2013c C FEE051 2 534.624 535.935 534.98 535.65 Yes . 535.65 ES2013c A FEE049 0 535.424 542.192 535.44 542.15 It sounds like the the uh covers that they use for the remote , you know , your t your cell phone . 540.77 540.99 542.15 ES2013c D FEE052 3 538.896 539.83 538.92 539.73 Exactly . 539.73 ES2013c D FEE052 3 541.41 594.592 541.41 594.38 Exactly . I was thinking though that instead of having something uh like patterned , you know , so , you know , something similar to a summer dress . you know , it would have like fruit and veg , is that we actually make these spongy . They could be ini initially I thought we could start with kind of um fruit that would suit kind of uh a long uh hand-held , so banana , pineapple and pear . Um it could actually the sleeve could take up a lot of the development and the remote control , we'd just need to get reductionist on it . They could be interchangeable , they're spongy , that goes back to ergonomic , and the youngsters love 'em , fun for the whole family , everyone can have their own . So what we're talking about is changing . 543.46 549.55 549.85 550.81 551.01 552.78 553.02 554.21 557.51 568.81 569.87 572.42 579.64 581.83 583.45 584.39 586.78 588.48 589.66 591.39 594.38 ES2013c A FEE049 0 553.152 553.863 553.17 553.69 Mm . 553.69 ES2013c D FEE052 3 595.584 609.568 595.6 609.568 this concept . Everyone has a T_V_ remote , but then we add in the fact that they could each have their own individual fruit . That's what's hot on the catwalks . So , this is my 597.0 599.28 606.38 608.33 608.81 ES2013c D FEE052 3 611.056 613.209 611.08 612.35 This is what I'm thinking . 612.35 ES2013c A FEE049 0 614.0 614.608 614.05 614.55 Hmm . 614.55 ES2013c A FEE049 0 617.984 618.64 618.01 618.59 Uh-huh mm . 618.59 ES2013c A FEE049 0 620.592 624.816 620.61 624.75 In most families , don't isn't the remote is a remote . 621.67 624.75 ES2013c D FEE052 3 624.56 648.048 625.48 648.01 Y yeah , but I think I think what this would allow is perhaps a person in the family who had the most opinion about it we all need a remote , but the person who is really perhaps active in personalising , I'm thinking the teenager , the someone fifteen to thirty five would go out and get this additional thing the same way as you mentioned that people would get the cell phone covers . 626.5 632.91 638.35 639.46 648.01 ES2013c A FEE049 0 632.944 633.328 632.98 633.27 Mm . 633.27 ES2013c C FEE051 2 644.918 656.768 644.918 656.45 So when your dad's sitting there , overriding your decision , going no we're gonna watch this , you can bring out your own remote and be like zap , no we're gonna watch this . 649.96 651.1 652.23 655.33 656.45 ES2013c D FEE052 3 653.184 658.842 653.184 658.842 Yeah . W and plus I think 657.21 ES2013c A FEE049 0 657.616 665.824 657.72 665.79 Mm . Well actually some households do have three and four T_V_s and they would have a remote for each one , so . 659.18 665.44 665.79 ES2013c D FEE052 3 661.695 662.592 662.18 662.54 Uh yeah . 662.54 ES2013c D FEE052 3 663.077 663.612 663.24 663.45 Yeah . 663.45 ES2013c D FEE052 3 666.032 680.816 666.23 680.78 Yeah . So this is an idea and I I you know , this is exactly what the research has uh has shown . So I really open this up to uh any other feedback . This spongy fruit and veg . 666.55 669.1 673.63 677.29 680.78 ES2013c B FEE050 1 681.968 689.759 681.99 689.71 Yeah , I I think we're gonna have some trouble when we get down to the component design on this . Spongy is gonna be difficult , I'm afraid . 682.58 687.59 689.14 689.71 ES2013c D FEE052 3 682.063 682.789 682.31 682.75 Thanks . 682.75 ES2013c D FEE052 3 686.736 687.593 686.736 687.53 Alright . 687.53 ES2013c C FEE051 2 687.328 687.888 687.35 687.59 Yep . 687.59 ES2013c A FEE049 0 687.734 688.551 687.78 688.37 Hmm . 688.37 ES2013c C FEE051 2 689.936 692.08 689.936 692.03 And as for - ES2013c A FEE049 0 690.448 691.088 690.47 690.95 Hmm . 690.95 ES2013c C FEE051 2 693.776 700.256 693.8 700.22 as for um well budgeting as well , if we're gonna have lots of different interchangeable 697.69 ES2013c D FEE052 3 701.808 705.138 701.808 705.138 I I just have my ear to the market , guys . 704.38 704.97 ES2013c C FEE051 2 701.856 705.76 701.88 705.46 components . Is this to the market ? 704.13 705.46 ES2013c B FEE050 1 705.504 714.0 705.52 713.89 Yeah , I mean basically we can make these things out of wood , titanium , plastic or rubber . I suppose rubber is the closest to spongy , yeah . 705.75 708.37 709.26 711.0 713.44 713.89 ES2013c D FEE052 3 712.156 715.838 712.29 715.838 Is spongiest , yeah . That would add 713.49 714.86 ES2013c B FEE050 1 715.472 717.856 715.5 717.73 I was thinking titanium myself . 717.73 ES2013c C FEE051 2 716.723 726.256 716.78 726.22 I was thinking titanium , I was thinking it's just I have been influenced by pictures of iPods , and they're also minimalist and shiny . 717.9 723.02 726.22 ES2013c D FEE052 3 722.741 723.286 722.94 723.23 Mm-hmm . 723.23 ES2013c D FEE052 3 726.144 738.656 726.16 738.6 They are and they they would fulfil the uh first um priority , which is fancy . I think many of us would associate those with fancy . Something else we could do is uh 732.22 733.79 737.01 ES2013c D FEE052 3 739.984 741.744 740.0 741.71 call it something that's fruit and veg - ES2013c D FEE052 3 744.304 746.4 744.55 746.4 oriented . We could call it uh 745.02 ES2013c D FEE052 3 747.503 750.597 747.503 750.37 The name . 750.37 ES2013c A FEE049 0 747.504 756.016 747.52 755.93 Are we talking about the device itself or the c or a cover for the device that would be an interchangeable cov cover as a separate - ES2013c A FEE049 0 757.008 757.936 757.03 757.89 product ? 757.89 ES2013c D FEE052 3 758.144 764.656 758.144 764.656 Well it would be uh a a very simple product that would have a spongy sleeve that would be interchangeable . So 763.95 ES2013c A FEE049 0 763.824 774.394 763.84 774.33 Perhaps perhaps that desi that particular suggestion needs to go back to management and perhaps go to another group to actually design as a separate product . 774.33 ES2013c C FEE051 2 763.836 766.45 764.08 766.19 Yeah , but it's kind of pointless , isn't it ? 764.4 765.71 766.19 ES2013c C FEE051 2 772.992 773.6 773.01 773.47 Yeah . 773.47 ES2013c D FEE052 3 773.952 775.616 773.952 775.616 That , you know , that might be 774.42 774.83 ES2013c C FEE051 2 775.008 777.469 775.03 777.469 Let's delegate . 777.05 ES2013c A FEE049 0 777.072 778.688 777.09 778.64 Wo would that be agreeable ? 778.64 ES2013c D FEE052 3 777.376 779.873 777.4 779.73 And then we could keep it titanium . 779.73 ES2013c B FEE050 1 778.752 791.36 778.78 791.29 Yeah . W w would it be helpful if um I described the components a bit , because I think it would give you um maybe bring this discussion back to Earth of what we can actually physically do . 779.5 784.92 791.29 ES2013c C FEE051 2 791.952 794.064 791.952 794.064 Yeah , maybe . Or 792.81 793.82 ES2013c A FEE049 0 794.48 796.784 794.5 796.67 Do you wanna be next or you want Kate to go next ? 796.67 ES2013c C FEE051 2 797.824 800.816 797.84 800.76 I think possibly it might be more useful if Kate went next . 800.76 ES2013c A FEE049 0 800.864 802.432 800.88 802.432 Okay , we'll move the 801.8 ES2013c C FEE051 2 802.512 803.408 802.53 803.408 Um - ES2013c C FEE051 2 817.696 830.269 817.696 830.269 You can even have them in different flavours as well . So that if you just wanna sit there and chew on the remote , it could be like pear flavour , yeah . Scratch and sniff . 820.93 823.31 826.53 827.06 829.76 ES2013c D FEE052 3 824.432 827.506 824.45 827.43 Yeah . Or s or smelly . Scratchy 824.88 826.61 ES2013c D FEE052 3 828.23 839.376 828.41 839.16 Uh well I was really thinking a lot about the I_ uh the iMac kind of gel gem tone . It's hot on the streets , guys . 837.73 838.87 839.16 ES2013c B FEE050 1 837.312 848.192 837.312 848.16 Right , well I I I think some of this um you're gonna be a little disappointed with some of the things I have to tell you , but I'm afraid this is the real world . So um 838.97 843.57 846.56 ES2013c B FEE050 1 849.344 893.927 849.36 893.87 I've been looking at the the basics of how these devices actually have to work in order to operate , and I've had some discussions with the ma manufacturing division , who have told me what's actually available , you know , what the current state of the art in components is , and some of the exciting new things they've got , but I'm not sure that it's quite what you want um . Now this isn't a very good overhead , but this is just to show you , this is the innards of a remote control um . I really need a pen or something but uh does my mouse work ? No . Um oh yeah , can you see my little mouse pointer ? Right . This is this is the a a a remote that's been opened up and that's the the back of the interface . 855.4 858.38 861.42 861.67 864.11 866.67 871.1 872.44 874.35 878.92 882.04 882.81 883.87 885.94 886.55 893.87 ES2013c A FEE049 0 885.776 886.315 885.81 885.97 Mm . 885.97 ES2013c A FEE049 0 890.944 891.452 890.97 891.33 Mm . 891.33 ES2013c B FEE050 1 893.927 924.272 894.29 924.04 And this is a push-button one , so you see these little little buttons here , they're little rubber rubber buttons that go through onto the the board at the back and they push these buttons here . Um and we that's the basic construction that we've got to got to accommodate . We got to have something that pushes the little buttons that um talk to the chip that encodes the message that sends the the message to the receiver . 895.62 898.37 907.63 914.04 924.04 ES2013c B FEE050 1 925.44 951.998 925.46 951.83 So um I wan I wanna go through not not just addressing the um uh the the points that you made , Sarah , but um doing my presentation in the order I wrote it . So first of all um I wanna talk about what possibilities we've got for the energy source . Um we can have your bog standard double double A_ batteries in a replaceable um little compartment . 932.94 933.33 939.61 944.39 951.83 ES2013c B FEE050 1 951.998 995.448 952.15 995.19 We can have a hand sorry a wind-up , yeah , which I think is quite an interesting concept for a sorry for a remote control , but i it maybe is doesn't quite go with the um the fruit and veg . Um one that one that I think is quite interesting is the kinetic energy source , where um you you actually get the energy by moving the device , which is quite a ni a nice and neat one . You have to it means that if it's sitting there for a long time it probably won't work , but you have to sort of throw it between your hands every now and then , it'll work . Or we we had talked about solar power , but I thing that we agreed that that's not so good in the dark . 956.31 957.77 964.63 973.67 978.44 983.41 984.71 987.8 990.36 991.22 992.91 995.19 ES2013c C FEE051 2 953.632 955.424 953.632 955.34 A wind-up . 955.34 ES2013c A FEE049 0 973.249 974.709 973.72 974.31 Alright . 974.31 ES2013c A FEE049 0 976.839 979.388 977.27 979.22 Remember , we only have forty minutes 977.59 ES2013c D FEE052 3 979.813 980.256 980.03 980.17 Mm . 980.17 ES2013c A FEE049 0 983.543 984.221 983.69 983.96 Hmm . 983.96 ES2013c D FEE052 3 990.861 991.538 991.06 991.25 Hmm . 991.25 ES2013c A FEE049 0 995.008 995.504 995.03 995.45 Mm . 995.45 ES2013c B FEE050 1 998.912 1016.032 999.01 1015.95 Now I'm afraid this is the options we've got on on the case . It can be made of plastic , rubber , wood o if you like , or titanium . Um and the nearest we've got to st to spongy there I guess is rubber , but um 1002.75 1004.37 1004.7 1009.84 1011.2 1015.07 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1006.643 1010.559 1006.643 1010.47 Hmm . 1010.47 ES2013c B FEE050 1 1017.168 1031.84 1017.168 1031.4 I'm gonna come back to the advantages of titanium , and basically it can have a flat surface , a curved surface or a double curved surface , but I think if we wanna use standard components , we're gonna have difficulty with anything much beyond that . 1020.52 1022.98 1024.9 1028.01 1031.4 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1017.141 1017.608 1017.19 1017.39 Hmm . 1017.39 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1033.264 1033.616 1033.29 1033.58 Hmm . 1033.58 ES2013c B FEE050 1 1034.128 1053.264 1034.15 1053.15 Okay , what does the interface look like ? Um well push button , that's that's the one we're all familiar with . Um we can have scroll buttons and the the scroll button can incorporate a push , so you can have it like on a mouse where you can use it to go up and down , change volume or channel or something like that and push to 1034.72 1036.47 1037.82 1040.38 1046.56 1050.09 ES2013c A FEE049 0 1044.65 1045.184 1044.82 1045.12 Hmm . 1045.12 ES2013c B FEE050 1 1054.256 1102.871 1054.28 1102.53 select something . Um you can have multiple scroll buttons , um this is maybe getting a little bit complicated , but um it's it the technology is there . And we can also incorporate an L_C_D_ display in the remote , but this will increase the cost . Um the electronics that actually makes the device work , we've basically got three , simple , regular , advanced , and the price goes up as we choose each of this . If we want the nice cheap one , the simple , then we can only have push buttons . All the other fancy interface designs go out the window , I'm afraid . Um pay a little bit more for a regular chip and you can have scroll buttons . If you want the advanced chip it obviously costs more , but it that's what you need if you want the L_C_D_ display . 1055.88 1058.02 1061.04 1064.07 1067.56 1073.22 1076.42 1078.24 1078.64 1079.06 1079.66 1082.74 1084.05 1084.68 1087.1 1089.51 1090.74 1096.75 1099.57 1102.53 ES2013c B FEE050 1 1102.871 1145.568 1102.97 1145.51 And the manufacturing devision tell me that they have recently developed um sample sensor sample speaker devices . Now I don't know what that is , but I think they think it's quite important and we might want to incorporate it somewhere . Um ou our real expertise is in push buttons , I have to say , but maybe you think that's old technology . And well I I think we've got two options . We can either go for a really cheap model , keep all of the costs down , um which means a flat plastic case with an ordinary battery and simple push buttons . Or we can have something that looks a bit nicer , I think it , um won't necessarily l uh look like a pineapple , but um 1110.49 1111.76 1118.81 1121.81 1122.54 1126.31 1129.2 1130.72 1133.22 1138.79 1140.95 1141.99 1144.58 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1124.688 1125.147 1124.71 1124.91 Mm . 1124.91 ES2013c B FEE050 1 1146.736 1169.157 1146.93 1168.41 that may or may not be a good thing . Sorry . Um but it could have an L_C_D_ screen and it could have multiple scroll buttons , and it could have the the company's new development of the um sample sensor and speaker . So , thank you . 1151.59 1155.2 1159.63 1167.78 1168.16 1168.41 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1168.64 1183.152 1168.67 1183.12 That sounds good . Any idea you you mentioned that there would be a cost difference . Um do you have any idea if if this could if the fancy model could be done in twelve Euros fifty ? 1169.4 1173.9 1183.12 ES2013c B FEE050 1 1183.184 1186.096 1183.26 1185.95 Yeah , I'm afraid I don't have that information available . Um 1183.48 1185.59 ES2013c B FEE050 1 1187.504 1191.838 1187.52 1191.45 manufacturing didn't actually give attach any prices to any of this , I'm afraid . 1190.92 1191.45 ES2013c A FEE049 0 1191.2 1191.616 1191.22 1191.54 Hmm . 1191.54 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1191.536 1213.264 1192.32 1213.23 Hmm . Because , you know what , I'm being quite serious when I say that that um the things I mentioned are hot . But I think the important thing might be to choose one . You know , if if what you're telling me is is um some of these things aren't just f aren't feasible , maybe we could something about naming , we could call it , you know , Blackberry . 1192.72 1193.83 1194.16 1200.46 1205.73 1205.95 1210.08 1211.67 1212.1 1212.58 1213.23 ES2013c B FEE050 1 1205.44 1207.174 1205.44 1206.98 Yeah mm-hmm . 1206.98 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1214.336 1215.074 1214.36 1215.074 That's uh - ES2013c C FEE051 2 1214.464 1228.24 1214.48 1228.2 Bear bear in mind it has to be the colours and styles of the company , so what I had been thinking was something chunky and yellow and plastic with black buttons with a logo on it . 1220.41 1228.2 ES2013c B FEE050 1 1226.71 1228.101 1226.71 1228.01 Banana ? 1228.01 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1227.2 1229.408 1227.2 1229.37 Alright , well let's see then . 1228.72 1229.37 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1229.328 1231.136 1229.36 1231.09 But um - ES2013c C FEE051 2 1233.088 1247.904 1233.25 1247.55 I I don't know how important that is to keep it exactly the colours of the Real Reaction company . It's just what I'd understood we'd be doing . That's before I heard about all this hot tips about the future , fruit-wise . 1240.04 1242.32 1246.33 1247.55 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1236.206 1236.956 1236.37 1236.77 Yeah . 1236.77 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1241.759 1242.427 1241.86 1242.33 Yeah . 1242.33 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1246.592 1249.634 1246.61 1249.47 But yeah , I'm trying to streamline mine a little bit . 1246.93 1249.47 ES2013c B FEE050 1 1247.12 1261.856 1247.14 1261.08 We we could we could do um a double curved rubber one , which would allow um say a banana , but um unfortunately I see from my notes that if we do that , we have to have a push button as the interface , we can't do anything fancier . 1250.08 1253.63 1257.45 1259.95 1261.08 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1258.973 1259.835 1259.2 1259.78 Yeah . 1259.78 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1261.692 1262.434 1261.88 1262.23 Hmm . 1262.23 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1262.096 1272.153 1262.12 1272.08 Shall we wait 'til I've 'til I've showed you what well , my extensive presentation on what sort of interfaces are available . 1265.95 1272.08 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1263.488 1263.936 1263.51 1263.9 Yeah . 1263.9 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1272.624 1273.104 1272.65 1273.07 Mm . 1273.07 ES2013c B FEE050 1 1272.496 1273.178 1272.75 1272.94 Yep . 1272.94 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1275.68 1276.48 1275.7 1276.43 Thank you , Kate . 1275.99 1276.43 ES2013c A FEE049 0 1277.312 1277.952 1277.33 1277.91 Thank you , Kate . 1277.61 1277.91 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1279.168 1279.456 1279.2 1279.41 Mm . 1279.41 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1280.176 1286.816 1280.39 1286.5 You did seem to include just in more detail what I've got though . So so mine's a bit pointless . 1284.31 1286.5 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1291.144 1292.464 1291.53 1292.464 Right . 1292.24 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1293.664 1296.352 1293.68 1296.26 F_N_ and F_ eight , did you say ? 1295.9 1296.26 ES2013c A FEE049 0 1296.08 1296.592 1296.1 1296.56 Yes . 1296.56 ES2013c A FEE049 0 1313.952 1314.464 1313.98 1314.39 There we go . 1314.39 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1315.792 1316.816 1315.81 1316.74 I don't have it on mine though . 1316.74 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1320.784 1321.792 1320.8 1321.76 Oh I think um - ES2013c D FEE052 3 1322.992 1324.592 1323.06 1324.54 Florence resolved it by - ES2013c B FEE050 1 1324.701 1329.136 1324.74 1329.136 I If you do F_ uh F_N_ F_ eight again , it's it'll 1328.28 ES2013c A FEE049 0 1326.256 1327.487 1326.256 1327.39 Do it again . 1327.39 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1326.288 1327.537 1326.31 1327.4 F_ eight again . 1327.4 ES2013c A FEE049 0 1329.2 1336.448 1329.23 1336.41 Keep doing it until you get it in both you get it there , you get it yours without that one , and then you get it with both . 1333.06 1335.03 1336.41 ES2013c B FEE050 1 1332.287 1335.218 1332.58 1335.218 I think it yeah , you you will do an 1334.01 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1345.952 1346.976 1345.97 1346.84 Should I do it again ? 1346.84 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1348.448 1349.018 1348.47 1348.91 Maybe . 1348.91 ES2013c A FEE049 0 1348.672 1349.184 1348.69 1348.96 Yeah . 1348.96 ES2013c A FEE049 0 1354.592 1356.064 1354.61 1356.01 This time it should come up both . 1356.01 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1365.632 1373.616 1365.632 1373.57 Right then . I don't actually have a huge amount of different information then what Kate says , just 1367.94 1373.04 ES2013c A FEE049 0 1371.82 1372.719 1372.13 1372.65 Okay . 1372.65 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1375.2 1391.962 1375.25 1391.71 that my method was to look at the , well , my my inspirations , which was a big collection of lots of different models of remote controls and other things that use a similar sort of thing , including M_P_ three players , uh 1378.18 1378.4 1379.63 1388.42 1391.34 ES2013c A FEE049 0 1384.944 1385.28 1384.97 1385.24 Mm-hmm . 1385.24 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1393.584 1400.704 1393.6 1400.67 like you know , hi-fi remotes , not just television and these things . Uh having a think about the feature of ea the features of each ones , 1393.98 1395.27 1397.61 1400.67 ES2013c A FEE049 0 1395.36 1395.664 1395.38 1395.61 Mm . 1395.61 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1401.92 1407.904 1402.1 1407.86 um what functions we actually need , and then how to group and arrange these on the actual 1404.65 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1409.2 1419.808 1409.22 1419.808 the actual plastic or rubber hand-held piece . Uh I've been especially interested in the iPod style scroll wheel , which 1414.01 1419.5 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1420.864 1443.84 1420.88 1443.8 Well , I couldn't find a the picture of the iPod w only linked to a web browser , so I couldn't copy and paste it , but it had a similar thing to this thing on the right . It has uh scroll wheels without without a display , but they they scroll like a computer mouse . So I was thinking that uh um a really simple 1421.07 1425.32 1427.48 1430.37 1436.88 1439.98 ES2013c A FEE049 0 1439.706 1440.102 1439.79 1439.92 Hmm . 1439.92 ES2013c B FEE050 1 1440.362 1440.922 1440.43 1440.65 Hmm . 1440.65 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1445.232 1455.296 1445.25 1455.26 a really simple interface with just a couple of scroll things on it um and then instead of a display the display could appear on the television screen . 1455.26 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1456.304 1459.216 1456.32 1459.11 Like I guess an existing - ES2013c C FEE051 2 1460.656 1475.024 1460.69 1474.98 Sky or cable one does . Like , you know , you press enter and it comes up with what's showing on that channel at the moment , and you can do you can scroll along and it'll show you what's on in the next half hour , and you scroll up and you can see what's on the other channels while you're watching 1463.08 1463.36 1463.67 1467.61 1471.46 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1476.784 1478.016 1476.8 1477.98 the same channel on the screen . 1477.98 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1479.232 1486.48 1479.25 1486.15 Uh but I'm also equally taken with this chunky plastic kiddie remote , 1486.15 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1486.832 1487.136 1486.85 1487.1 Mm . 1487.1 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1487.552 1499.952 1487.57 1499.92 um which is really nice and fun and good to hold and nice , big , easy buttons to press , but still quite simple and quite cost effective . So 1493.99 1494.41 1496.28 1499.45 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1502.336 1506.448 1502.5 1506.4 what seems kind of ideal for me would be to just have - ES2013c C FEE051 2 1509.008 1549.564 1509.03 1549.46 a fairly simple , uh not fancy but not totally minimalist , I mean just pretty simple plastic , probably , I was thinking , yellow and black , just because that's the company's colours , with very very few buttons , but that would correspond to a screen that would appear on the television screen , like , you know , just small along the bottom instead of instead of having the iPod style display screen on the actual remotes , which is far too expensive . And when you've got a screen sitting there in front of you , you might as well have it appearing uh on the screen in front of you , it doesn't obscure much of the actual picture you're watching . 1511.34 1514.34 1518.17 1518.94 1519.54 1520.36 1523.07 1526.0 1530.79 1531.34 1531.82 1539.9 1541.87 1543.81 1546.77 1549.46 ES2013c B FEE050 1 1541.584 1541.888 1541.6 1541.84 Hmm . 1541.84 ES2013c A FEE049 0 1541.858 1542.478 1542.0 1542.34 Mm . 1542.34 ES2013c B FEE050 1 1548.944 1549.367 1548.96 1549.22 Yeah . 1549.22 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1549.564 1578.72 1550.27 1578.69 And so on that you can , just much in the same way as an existing Sky remote , scroll along , scroll up and down . And uh and I definitely support uh the use of plastic and or rubber . I mean titanium would be great , but I think it might be a bit too expensive and too kinda spacey . If we're k trying to keep it 1554.62 1558.44 1559.31 1561.67 1569.06 1571.93 1577.63 ES2013c B FEE050 1 1560.752 1562.688 1560.77 1562.65 Yeah , I'd I'd certainly support that idea . 1560.89 1562.65 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1579.856 1583.808 1579.88 1583.74 colourful and slightly organic , then I think titanium's too 1582.08 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1584.88 1586.388 1585.07 1586.24 futuristic . 1586.24 ES2013c B FEE050 1 1586.224 1593.424 1586.45 1593.39 It's difficult to make fancy shapes in it as well , we can't for example have a double curved case in titanium unfortunately . 1588.76 1593.39 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1589.36 1590.079 1589.38 1589.7 Yeah . 1589.7 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1593.344 1599.248 1593.36 1599.21 Whereas a plastic's so cheap and easy and mouldable and everything else . 1599.21 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1600.752 1601.136 1600.88 1601.08 Hmm . 1601.08 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1601.424 1604.247 1601.46 1604.247 Uh then - ES2013c B FEE050 1 1603.408 1615.088 1603.408 1615.05 And the the having the the the screen on the television screen I think is a good idea , 'cause um otherwise we're we're putting up the price not only for putting building the L_C_D_ in , but for the electronics as well . 1608.0 1613.7 1615.05 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1615.008 1628.448 1615.22 1628.34 And it's a little bit pointless as well I think . Like when when when you've got when you've got the screen there , it doesn't have to be anything fancy , just a little menu showing yeah , a menu , you go into one menu and then it can have your different options , whether you wanna change the settings or the 1617.37 1619.99 1621.64 1623.71 1624.09 1626.32 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1617.248 1618.832 1617.3 1618.73 It's a duplication . 1618.73 ES2013c B FEE050 1 1617.294 1618.212 1617.39 1617.94 There is that . 1617.94 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1628.816 1629.248 1628.85 1629.21 Mm-hmm . 1629.21 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1630.08 1637.504 1630.14 1637.39 you know , your information about programme that's on at the moment . I don't think that's to taxing to uh 1630.73 1634.27 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1639.248 1641.739 1639.27 1641.62 s engineer . Um . 1640.97 1641.62 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1642.752 1647.056 1642.86 1647.0 But as for actually arranging them let me go back to the - ES2013c C FEE051 2 1649.072 1650.672 1649.09 1650.62 to the picture of the kiddie one . 1650.62 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1655.711 1666.864 1655.82 1666.78 And I quite like it , 'cause it's just smooth and hand-held and it's got these easily reachable buttons that quite nicely uh spaced out , so something a bit like that with 1656.66 1663.64 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1668.464 1669.68 1668.49 1669.63 buttons arranged in a - ES2013c C FEE051 2 1671.136 1674.112 1671.16 1673.94 kind of circle . Up , down , left , right . 1672.7 1672.92 1673.28 1673.58 1673.94 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1672.212 1673.12 1672.49 1672.83 Mm-hmm . 1672.83 ES2013c B FEE050 1 1673.744 1675.712 1674.04 1675.68 Do you want scroll buttons in that as well ? 1675.68 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1675.664 1686.871 1676.12 1686.74 I I was thinking not actually scroll , like a like mouse scroll , but you know , a I can't quite d uh describe it . you see 1679.27 1681.52 1681.95 1686.31 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1688.32 1696.56 1688.34 1696.51 on the one on the right , down at the bottom , is the mouse . Yeah , see where the mouse is , like this s style thing where you c have up , down , left and right . 1689.38 1689.97 1690.64 1690.95 1691.73 1695.31 1695.58 1696.51 ES2013c B FEE050 1 1691.738 1692.348 1691.83 1692.11 Mm-hmm . 1692.11 ES2013c B FEE050 1 1696.944 1697.52 1696.944 1697.45 Right . 1697.45 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1698.832 1716.736 1698.85 1716.736 And enter in the middle , so you pick your menu and then your different options and when when you click on each one , it you can go into a new menu for that . I'm getting a bit uh specific here . Really we'd have to use something to show you , but 1700.01 1706.38 1709.11 1711.87 1714.66 ES2013c B FEE050 1 1712.576 1718.272 1712.6 1718.24 Yeah . I think I think that's a g nice clean design , it's playing to our strengths which are in push button technology . 1713.15 1715.29 1718.24 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1718.975 1722.916 1718.975 1722.49 To uh m make it . 1722.49 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1718.935 1723.584 1720.53 1723.51 If I don't think I can get it up on the screen . Ah here we go . Right . 1722.48 1723.35 1723.51 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1723.904 1724.576 1723.92 1724.54 Oh nice . 1724.54 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1725.792 1727.395 1725.81 1727.18 Um Hmm . 1727.18 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1725.168 1736.784 1725.9 1736.7 Well , the iPod spinning wheel is uh really complicated . It does scroll , but it is hugely complicated . What else have we got ? 1726.72 1731.72 1732.43 1735.66 1736.7 ES2013c A FEE049 0 1731.232 1731.648 1731.25 1731.59 Huh . 1731.59 ES2013c B FEE050 1 1731.821 1732.465 1731.98 1732.27 Yeah . 1732.27 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1735.328 1735.728 1735.36 1735.69 Mm . 1735.69 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1738.048 1738.528 1738.08 1738.45 Wow . 1738.45 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1739.12 1744.544 1739.15 1744.544 Them , they're terrible . But they all have this this feature of this uh 1739.41 1741.77 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1746.304 1749.152 1746.32 1749.12 It's not quite a scroll wheel , but 1748.69 ES2013c A FEE049 0 1749.568 1750.752 1749.62 1750.69 It's a selection wheel . 1750.69 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1750.672 1753.984 1750.69 1753.95 it's a kind of selection in this circle , which I think is a really good idea . 1752.54 1753.95 ES2013c B FEE050 1 1753.984 1758.032 1754.21 1757.99 But we can implement it with simple push buttons , which is much cheaper . 1757.09 1757.99 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1756.608 1759.664 1756.63 1759.54 Yeah , like up , down , left and right . 1757.95 1758.67 1758.89 1759.54 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1761.008 1762.656 1761.03 1762.656 Which is good . And then and then 1761.44 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1763.712 1767.648 1763.73 1767.48 Yeah , so I mean either a channel up and down , volume up and down , 1764.03 1766.43 1767.48 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1770.096 1785.984 1770.19 1785.92 next appearing programmes up and down , uh and then also when you get into the different menus on the screen , it's got your things like settings and contrast up and down . So all you really need is these four buttons with the enter in the middle . 1773.65 1777.8 1782.12 1785.92 ES2013c A FEE049 0 1781.129 1781.696 1781.32 1781.66 Okay . 1781.66 ES2013c A FEE049 0 1786.778 1787.312 1786.99 1787.28 Okay . 1787.28 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1788.521 1790.16 1788.96 1790.04 And that's it . 1790.04 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1792.437 1794.464 1792.437 1794.18 Look at look at this one . 1794.18 ES2013c B FEE050 1 1792.288 1793.766 1792.65 1793.766 In fact - ES2013c B FEE050 1 1795.776 1798.672 1795.8 1798.672 Oh that's really nice . 1798.53 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1796.832 1805.824 1796.832 1805.78 Almost impossible to misplace or l or lose . Might take up your whole living room . 1803.89 1805.78 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1802.992 1804.576 1803.01 1804.576 Do you think with um - ES2013c D FEE052 3 1805.446 1818.2 1805.446 1818.01 It seems that that uh you guys are quite keen on the plastic , perhaps the something reminiscent of the child's remote . Do you think we could put it in a in a fruit colour ? 1810.23 1814.28 1818.01 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1819.088 1825.136 1819.21 1824.98 And have it abstract . You know , we could call like a fruit name , but it would be a little more abstract . 1821.02 1821.16 1823.71 1824.98 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1821.542 1823.489 1821.63 1823.28 Possibly . Yeah . 1822.94 1823.28 ES2013c B FEE050 1 1822.806 1823.4 1822.99 1823.17 Hmm . 1823.17 ES2013c B FEE050 1 1825.296 1831.488 1825.33 1831.488 Mm . We we could actually do it in rubber instead of plastic if you'd rather if you feel if you like the spongy 1826.17 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1825.443 1827.365 1825.95 1827.1 That also is possible . 1827.1 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1827.966 1828.477 1828.07 1828.42 Mm-hmm . 1828.42 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1829.504 1831.472 1829.58 1831.44 I'm just just throwing out ideas . 1831.44 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1829.408 1830.123 1829.62 1830.123 Just - ES2013c A FEE049 0 1829.947 1834.248 1830.38 1834.04 Or call it a or call it a banana and have it in yellow . 1834.04 ES2013c B FEE050 1 1833.08 1833.567 1833.15 1833.39 Hmm . 1833.39 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1834.224 1837.424 1834.24 1837.39 Yeah . I'm thinking maybe we need to be a little bit more abstract if the 1834.59 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1838.576 1840.857 1838.6 1840.857 design constraints are so - ES2013c A FEE049 0 1839.548 1840.032 1839.67 1840.0 Okay . 1840.0 ES2013c B FEE050 1 1840.0 1840.416 1840.0 1840.36 Yeah . 1840.36 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1840.336 1862.944 1840.56 1862.91 Uh just something else I need to bring to your attention is have you have you seen these on a remote ? This is actually the volume up and down , but they both say V_ on them , which , when you first look at it , you expect that to be the down , because it looks like a downward pointing arrow , but it's actually the V_ to indicate that it's the volume , so 1846.54 1849.83 1852.33 1853.04 1855.04 1856.94 1859.64 1862.47 ES2013c A FEE049 0 1849.776 1850.304 1849.84 1850.21 Mm-hmm . 1850.21 ES2013c A FEE049 0 1852.128 1852.74 1852.21 1852.61 Mm-hmm . 1852.61 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1856.945 1857.701 1857.07 1857.37 Mm-hmm . 1857.37 ES2013c B FEE050 1 1857.6 1858.154 1857.62 1857.94 Yeah . 1857.94 ES2013c A FEE049 0 1859.968 1860.522 1859.99 1860.44 Hmm . 1860.44 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1862.128 1862.544 1862.15 1862.51 Mm-hmm . 1862.51 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1863.984 1867.696 1864.0 1867.63 uh we do need to avoid little ambiguities like these . 1867.63 ES2013c B FEE050 1 1867.936 1868.304 1867.97 1868.27 Yeah . 1868.27 ES2013c A FEE049 0 1868.24 1868.752 1868.26 1868.7 Hmm . 1868.7 ES2013c D FEE052 3 1868.896 1870.951 1869.02 1870.49 Nice . Good point . 1870.16 1870.49 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1871.44 1880.64 1871.48 1880.61 But we wouldn't have a specific volume up and down . If we're having the scroll wheel , then it's gonna double up as all the other up and down functions . 1874.49 1875.89 1880.61 ES2013c A FEE049 0 1881.44 1881.904 1881.46 1881.87 Mm 'kay . 1881.87 ES2013c C FEE051 2 1882.096 1883.696 1882.12 1883.55 But then , that's complicated . 1882.77 1883.55 ES2013c A FEE049 0 1884.272 1922.256 1884.3 1922.256 I wanna thank you all for all your presentations . We have about ten minutes left , in which time we have to make some decisions on the remote control concepts . Um and I think you all have been self-stimulating of working together . Um we need to come up with some specifics of the components , um the materials , things like making the decision on the energy um and the case and the interface type things . So let's 1887.66 1889.89 1895.27 1902.73 1907.37 1909.62 1919.8 ES2013c A FEE049 0 1924.16 1924.544 1924.28 1924.45 Mm . 1924.45 ES2013c A FEE049 0 1926.736 1927.568 1926.76 1927.31 Right . 1927.31 ES2013c A FEE049 0 1930.78 1933.376 1931.59 1933.16 They want us to decide - ES2013c A FEE049 0 1934.448 1937.888 1934.47 1937.81 what form of energy are we going to use , 1937.81 ES2013c A FEE049 0 1939.312 1946.88 1939.33 1946.76 which the choices that we've discussed were pretty much battery , kinetic or solar . 1945.42 1946.76 ES2013c A FEE049 0 1948.16 1959.088 1948.18 1959.088 Um this is where Kate's expertise comes in , and our decision making will be a little bit guided by Kate at this point . The 1952.94 1958.6 ES2013c A FEE049 0 1960.232 1976.128 1960.37 1976.09 You were saying that the kinetic would be useful , that is you just have to move it some and you'd be able to use it um as opposed to a battery that you have to either put it in a recharger or um keep replacing the batteries . Um 1963.97 1975.42 ES2013c A FEE049 0 1977.28 1992.624 1977.3 1992.59 or solar that you'd have difficulty with it if it's a dark day , that it'll die on you , and no way to do it . That's the day you wanna use the T_V_ . Um so what's our pleasure here , what would be the cost consequences of each of the three ? 1980.84 1982.2 1983.82 1986.22 1989.69 1992.59 ES2013c B FEE050 1 1985.35 1986.181 1985.54 1986.05 Mm . 1986.05 ES2013c B FEE050 1 1994.64 2007.76 1994.66 2007.73 Oh unfortunately I don't have costing information . I i in terms of workability , I I think the the two front-runners are the standard battery or the kinetic , but I'm sorry I don't figures on the difference in cost . 1997.81 2000.01 2005.21 2007.73 ES2013c A FEE049 0 1997.408 1998.28 1997.57 1998.24 Okay . 1998.24 ES2013c A FEE049 0 2005.435 2006.194 2005.46 2006.02 Mm 'kay . 2006.02 ES2013c A FEE049 0 2008.512 2012.3 2008.53 2012.26 What's the uh feelings of the group on the kinetic ? 2012.26 ES2013c D FEE052 3 2011.856 2018.688 2011.88 2018.65 I've used kinetic in terms of watches and it's very very uh handy , you don't even notice 2017.74 ES2013c D FEE052 3 2019.792 2021.271 2019.81 2021.21 um that it's there . 2021.21 ES2013c C FEE051 2 2020.224 2030.352 2020.29 2030.32 It sounds great . I've never come across it before , but it sounds fantastic . Sounds like it could be g a really good economical it would make the whole thing a lot lighter , more convenient . 2021.08 2022.51 2023.81 2029.44 2030.32 ES2013c D FEE052 3 2023.824 2024.478 2023.86 2024.478 It's - ES2013c D FEE052 3 2027.04 2027.836 2027.07 2027.64 Mm-hmm . 2027.64 ES2013c A FEE049 0 2030.576 2031.024 2030.6 2030.95 Hmm . 2030.95 ES2013c D FEE052 3 2030.558 2038.83 2030.95 2038.78 It could tie in with the fanciful design as uh , you know , throw the banana , you know , just gotta keep it moving . 2034.95 2035.64 2036.72 2037.04 2038.78 ES2013c A FEE049 0 2033.434 2034.116 2033.59 2033.98 Hmm . 2033.98 ES2013c C FEE051 2 2033.6 2040.896 2033.62 2040.66 Yeah . 'Cause it's really a quite attractive thought , isn't it ? It's like yeah , a good selling point . 2034.87 2036.36 2036.82 2039.49 2040.66 ES2013c A FEE049 0 2039.467 2043.424 2039.58 2043.38 So the consensus seems to be use the kinetic if it's at all possible . 2043.38 ES2013c D FEE052 3 2039.547 2040.137 2039.65 2039.74 Be - ES2013c C FEE051 2 2043.376 2044.832 2043.62 2044.8 But it does depend how much - ES2013c A FEE049 0 2045.408 2046.888 2045.43 2046.888 It costs . 2046.59 ES2013c C FEE051 2 2045.968 2049.872 2045.99 2049.83 I mean how much it costs and how much more development and research it needs . 2049.83 ES2013c D FEE052 3 2049.708 2050.3 2049.78 2050.26 Yeah . 2050.26 ES2013c A FEE049 0 2049.856 2050.288 2049.89 2050.25 Mm . 2050.25 ES2013c B FEE050 1 2049.963 2057.136 2050.21 2056.49 And and how much you do have to keep it moving , 'cause I'm conscious that watching T_V_ can be quite a sed sedentary activity . 2052.86 2056.49 ES2013c A FEE049 0 2052.656 2053.264 2052.68 2053.2 Mm . 2053.2 ES2013c D FEE052 3 2052.556 2053.234 2052.79 2053.11 Yeah . 2053.11 ES2013c D FEE052 3 2056.48 2067.952 2056.5 2067.7 Mm-hmm . But I could market that as a um as a a I was thinking actually a a cost saver down the road , in terms of battery , you know . 2057.12 2065.52 2067.43 2067.7 ES2013c A FEE049 0 2057.378 2058.162 2057.46 2058.04 Mm . 2058.04 ES2013c C FEE051 2 2059.552 2063.248 2059.552 2063.248 Do your exercises while you're watching the T_V_ . 2062.7 ES2013c B FEE050 1 2060.893 2063.531 2060.893 2063.531 Yeah . 2063.21 ES2013c A FEE049 0 2067.264 2067.736 2067.28 2067.66 Hmm . 2067.66 ES2013c B FEE050 1 2067.104 2069.984 2067.43 2069.93 True , yeah , m more more environmentally friendly . 2067.72 2068.0 2069.93 ES2013c C FEE051 2 2069.796 2071.495 2069.91 2071.36 Yeah , that's what I was thinking as well . 2070.26 2071.36 ES2013c D FEE052 3 2069.868 2072.304 2070.02 2072.304 Mm-hmm . You know , kind of the 2071.11 2071.47 ES2013c A FEE049 0 2070.541 2071.168 2070.56 2070.89 Yeah . 2070.89 ES2013c A FEE049 0 2072.416 2087.568 2072.46 2087.44 Thanks for the reminder for five minutes to finish , thanks . Um the next thing that they wanted us to do was look at chip on print as a decision . 2074.92 2076.1 2087.44 ES2013c B FEE050 1 2091.296 2095.92 2092.06 2095.84 Oh right , okay , I'd that that's something I maybe should have covered . Um 2092.6 2092.86 2095.36 ES2013c B FEE050 1 2096.912 2106.528 2096.93 2106.42 chip on print is just a manufacturing technique um and I would certainly recommend it , I think , because I'm not sure I have an alternative . 2103.91 2104.48 2106.42 ES2013c A FEE049 0 2100.096 2100.739 2100.12 2100.42 Oh . 2100.42 ES2013c A FEE049 0 2107.488 2108.234 2107.51 2108.1 Okay . 2108.1 ES2013c B FEE050 1 2110.96 2119.488 2111.08 2119.35 I i it it's just the way that the the the uh th the way it's ac it's actually built and you you print onto the circuit board like you might print onto paper . 2119.35 ES2013c A FEE049 0 2111.536 2115.376 2111.56 2115.3 What about the ca yeah . Oh , the way we uh-huh . 2113.07 2113.37 2115.3 ES2013c A FEE049 0 2119.552 2120.896 2119.83 2120.76 Oh , okay . 2120.43 2120.76 ES2013c A FEE049 0 2122.048 2124.176 2122.07 2124.14 Um what about the case ? 2124.14 ES2013c A FEE049 0 2125.824 2144.848 2125.84 2144.8 I think they're talking there about do we want wood , plastic , titanium or rubber , and I think we've discussed not having titanium . One , it's too expensive , um and second , it won't do this double um curves . Um we've sort of eliminated wood . We said plastic or rubber . What's the pleasure ? 2128.74 2129.28 2130.58 2133.17 2133.31 2135.16 2135.95 2140.05 2142.26 2143.92 2144.8 ES2013c B FEE050 1 2146.912 2158.832 2147.26 2158.62 Well if if Sarah's keen on a spongy feel , the the rubber that we're talking about is the same as you have in those little stress balls , so it's yeah . 2150.51 2155.42 2158.62 ES2013c D FEE052 3 2155.168 2157.888 2155.2 2157.84 That's exactly what I was thinking . I'm sold . 2157.35 2157.84 ES2013c A FEE049 0 2159.44 2160.208 2159.47 2160.15 What about you ? 2160.15 ES2013c C FEE051 2 2160.528 2161.584 2160.55 2161.53 Do you not think it might need - ES2013c C FEE051 2 2162.768 2164.224 2162.84 2164.19 like a kind of - ES2013c C FEE051 2 2165.536 2173.072 2165.56 2173.04 a hard plastic inner shell with the actual delicate workings inside , and then a kind of spongy 2171.39 ES2013c D FEE052 3 2171.694 2172.217 2171.78 2172.13 Mm . 2172.13 ES2013c D FEE052 3 2173.552 2174.736 2173.57 2174.64 Kind of like an internal egg . 2174.64 ES2013c A FEE049 0 2174.672 2176.6 2174.69 2176.5 Cover . Uh-huh . 2176.1 2176.5 ES2013c C FEE051 2 2175.072 2184.064 2175.09 2184.064 Yeah , s thick spongy cover , so it feels like the whole thing's spongy , but actually you're not damaging anything by squeezing it . 2175.57 2176.99 2178.56 2183.35 ES2013c A FEE049 0 2181.376 2182.779 2181.4 2182.66 Plastic inside . 2182.66 ES2013c D FEE052 3 2183.632 2185.856 2183.65 2185.856 Yeah . 2185.59 ES2013c C FEE051 2 2185.776 2189.328 2185.8 2189.24 Because I mean you could just get carried away with the with the tac - ES2013c B FEE050 1 2185.863 2192.995 2185.99 2192.86 Yeah . I'd I'd need to talk to manufacturing again about whether that's actually possible , but I agree , it's uh sounds like a nice idea if it is . 2186.83 2190.31 2190.8 2192.86 ES2013c C FEE051 2 2191.05 2198.206 2191.11 2198.206 Yeah . Well you do get a bit carried away with things that are tactile , you just wanna stroke them and squeeze them , and 2191.6 2194.94 2197.63 ES2013c A FEE049 0 2195.504 2195.936 2195.52 2195.9 Hmm . 2195.9 ES2013c D FEE052 3 2196.91 2198.741 2196.94 2198.61 And with sports on television . 2198.61 ES2013c A FEE049 0 2197.44 2198.048 2197.46 2197.9 Okay . 2197.9 ES2013c D FEE052 3 2199.931 2202.079 2200.13 2201.76 You know . I su 2201.3 ES2013c A FEE049 0 2200.704 2208.272 2200.73 2208.1 Um the next part they want is the user interface concept . I'm sorry to push you , but we only have a couple minutes to finish with . 2204.45 2205.49 2208.1 ES2013c B FEE050 1 2201.104 2202.512 2201.38 2202.17 I should I should r - ES2013c D FEE052 3 2207.776 2213.776 2208.24 2213.66 Then I'll just say I support either from a marketing point of view I support either decision that the designers make on that . 2213.66 ES2013c A FEE049 0 2213.744 2217.872 2213.77 2217.79 Okay , and it says interface . What type and what supplements ? 2214.23 2215.61 2217.79 ES2013c C FEE051 2 2220.736 2226.192 2220.81 2226.192 Just copy the one on the left . No um a scroll 2224.19 ES2013c C FEE051 2 2227.648 2233.92 2227.67 2233.87 Well , like four buttons , up , down , left and right with enter in the middle , that will correspond to a menu on the screen . 2227.9 2229.88 2230.12 2230.36 2232.03 2233.87 ES2013c B FEE050 1 2233.984 2241.792 2234.22 2241.76 Which I think technically is just push button and uh I'd certainly support that that that brings the cost down quite a lot and it's something that we're an ex the company's an expert on . 2241.76 ES2013c C FEE051 2 2237.04 2239.072 2237.06 2239.072 Yeah , I'd like push buttons with 2237.47 ES2013c C FEE051 2 2241.776 2242.832 2241.8 2242.832 So push buttons - ES2013c A FEE049 0 2248.016 2250.08 2248.19 2250.04 Okay , um 2249.57 ES2013c A FEE049 0 2251.408 2252.777 2251.408 2252.7 that's that . 2252.7 ES2013c A FEE049 0 2254.032 2273.728 2254.05 2273.61 Um this is gonna sound weird , but the next meeting starts in thirty minutes . Whew . And they actually want a look and feel design , user interface design , you can look and see this as well as I can . Marketing they want product evaluation . Oh . Oh my , I'm sorry . 2256.63 2259.84 2260.92 2264.15 2265.75 2268.06 2270.91 2272.26 2273.01 2273.61 ES2013c C FEE051 2 2269.456 2273.044 2269.49 2272.83 No , it's still it's still plugged in on mine actually . 2269.73 2272.83 ES2013c D FEE052 3 2269.53 2271.468 2269.79 2270.94 No we can't , actually . 2270.49 2270.94 ES2013c D FEE052 3 2274.0 2277.091 2274.88 2276.73 That's why I was looking over your shoulder - ES2013c A FEE049 0 2276.32 2280.512 2276.34 2280.44 Oh , okay . Sorry about that . missed that one . 2277.01 2278.82 2279.8 2280.44 ES2013c A FEE049 0 2286.336 2292.48 2286.43 2291.96 This ought to be fun trying to get this thing to work . Ah , ta-da . 2290.26 2291.28 2291.96 ES2013c C FEE051 2 2292.976 2293.664 2293.02 2293.63 Now it's gone again . 2293.63 ES2013c A FEE049 0 2295.04 2295.488 2295.39 2295.42 Ah . 2295.42 ES2013c B FEE050 1 2300.752 2307.888 2301.2 2306.69 You know , I think the the company's s next project should to design a better overhead device that switches immediately . 2301.39 2307.54 ES2013c A FEE049 0 2306.016 2342.752 2306.04 2342.68 Yes , because I can't even see mine . Next meeting starts in thirty minutes , these are the individual actions . Yeah , right . Um the look and feel design is for Kate , uh Steph gets the user interface design , you get product evaluation . Um the two of you get to play with a Pla modelling clay um to do a prototype . Uh and everybody gets individual instructions in the usual way . Anything else we need to do ? 2307.25 2309.62 2312.13 2314.29 2314.52 2315.46 2321.73 2324.32 2327.96 2334.96 2341.39 2342.68 ES2013c C FEE051 2 2311.271 2312.458 2311.31 2312.19 Oh yes . 2312.19 ES2013c D FEE052 3 2316.256 2316.72 2316.29 2316.67 Mm . 2316.67 ES2013c C FEE051 2 2332.448 2333.185 2332.48 2333.06 Great . 2333.06 ES2013c D FEE052 3 2339.851 2340.519 2339.93 2340.44 Sounds good . 2340.44 ES2013c C FEE051 2 2343.225 2344.709 2343.225 2344.36 I don't think so . 2344.36 ES2013c A FEE049 0 2344.64 2346.336 2344.7 2346.336 Go to it . 2346.26 ES2013c C FEE051 2 2348.61 2350.259 2349.03 2349.9 Play-Doh . 2349.9 ES2013c A FEE049 0 2349.438 2351.137 2349.55 2350.95 And that's the end of this meeting . 2350.95 ES2013c A FEE049 0 2352.176 2354.378 2352.2 2352.68 That's for her benefit . 2353.99 ES2013c D FEE052 3 2352.384 2358.112 2352.384 2357.69 That's really all I got , guys . 2357.48 2357.69 ES2013d A FEE049 0 16.912 25.952 18.55 25.81 Um almost , there's one more thing I have to get out of the I have to make sure that this attachment will open . 19.99 25.81 ES2013d B FEE050 1 28.57 31.605 28.57 31.45 I keep forgetting whether I've done this . . 31.45 31.45 ES2013d A FEE049 0 31.872 32.487 31.89 32.31 Ah-ha . 32.31 ES2013d A FEE049 0 36.224 36.896 36.25 36.76 Okay . 36.76 ES2013d A FEE049 0 38.672 41.28 38.69 41.1 We'll open that when the time is right . 41.1 ES2013d A FEE049 0 42.32 43.552 42.34 43.552 In the meantime - ES2013d A FEE049 0 45.568 48.128 45.59 48.08 Closing things down , okay . 47.35 48.08 ES2013d A FEE049 0 59.424 61.536 59.52 61.45 Let's see what this thing does . 61.45 ES2013d A FEE049 0 62.608 69.52 62.7 69.45 Does it come up together or disappear one of them or what ? Ah , we came up together , we're good . 67.16 67.47 68.9 69.45 ES2013d A FEE049 0 84.064 84.88 84.36 84.74 Okay . 84.74 ES2013d A FEE049 0 86.992 88.256 87.01 88.16 Are we ready to start ? 88.16 ES2013d A FEE049 0 90.192 99.762 90.22 99.7 Okay . It's now quarter of four . This is a f another forty minute one so it will end at four twenty five . 90.83 93.44 99.7 ES2013d A FEE049 0 103.856 105.305 103.93 105.12 Okay . 105.12 ES2013d A FEE049 0 111.932 149.344 112.09 148.91 Right . Our agenda is , as before , for me to open the meeting , for us to go over the previous minutes , then for the two of you to present your prototype and for you to g um Sarah present the evaluation criteria . We then have a finance aspect , which is a spreadsheet , an Excel spreadsheet . And I know what you're all thinking of , oh my , um because we're only given a forty minute time period to get it all in , including the production evaluation . So we're going to make a very fast track . Okay . 112.76 113.94 114.74 116.27 118.99 127.3 129.76 131.74 134.17 136.31 137.39 141.98 144.52 148.2 148.91 ES2013d A FEE049 0 150.384 164.608 150.49 164.608 Um and as you can see that's what we do next on this thing . So the first thing I have to do is close this so that I can get to 157.13 ES2013d A FEE049 0 167.392 168.32 167.42 168.2 Where is it ? 168.2 ES2013d D FEE052 3 171.856 172.176 171.9 172.14 Red . 172.14 ES2013d A FEE049 0 173.68 175.376 173.7 175.3 I need to open mine . 175.3 ES2013d A FEE049 0 179.232 180.448 179.26 180.35 Not the agenda . 180.35 ES2013d D FEE052 3 182.432 183.424 182.54 183.39 Agenda three . 183.39 ES2013d A FEE049 0 183.872 216.4 183.9 216.3 No that th I want the minutes from the previous minutes . That should be there , minutes . Yeah . Okay . Uh from meeting three , is it alright with you if I don't switch it to show , just use it as is ? 'Cause this way I can more easily flip it . Okay , um obviously all of us were here for the last meeting , we reviewed the previous minutes before that , um each of you made your presentations . 188.62 189.29 189.99 191.21 192.62 195.12 199.34 201.36 204.6 205.44 210.32 213.68 216.3 ES2013d D FEE052 3 186.435 186.912 186.63 186.87 Mm . 186.87 ES2013d A FEE049 0 217.632 268.945 217.632 268.39 Um we discussed the various possibilities based on what was presented in those presentations . The market trend of fruit and veg , mm spongy , uh fancy and elegant more than technologically innovative and that more than easy . Um we decided chip on print would be used . Um we would use plastic with a rubber casing , I think was the consensus , powered by kinetic energy . There was no decision made on the curvatures or double curvature or straight . Um perhaps the prototype will give us an inkling of that . Um looking like a scroll , but it's really a push button technology , excuse my spelling 225.86 229.17 231.23 237.6 242.29 245.91 248.22 250.77 256.27 260.95 264.72 267.05 ES2013d A FEE049 0 268.945 305.136 268.99 304.46 um that was actually in use , that is uh behind the scenes is push button which we uh according to Kate have a very good uh grasp on doing that in production . Um we decided that separate fashionable covers covering your fruit and veg might be a separate product that could be suggested to management . Um and as suggested um yellow with black buttons with the company logo , a slogan and image might be a good idea based on the requirements that have been provided to us . 272.74 281.98 291.9 297.8 304.46 ES2013d A FEE049 0 306.272 343.568 306.4 343.49 Um we did have a few production issues and coordination of the various bits and we had some conflict of ideas and cost constraints and we ran out of time . Um we had to follow that up and prepare for the last one . And uh we closed as it ran out of time . Is that a fair presentation of what happened ? Okay , back to this meeting . Um we're down to the prototype presentation . 322.62 327.4 331.14 336.33 337.02 340.78 343.49 ES2013d C FEE051 2 332.768 333.184 332.9 333.15 Yes . 333.15 ES2013d B FEE050 1 333.06 333.816 333.3 333.57 Yep . 333.57 ES2013d B FEE050 1 344.208 347.392 344.23 347.33 Ta-da . Right . 346.24 347.33 ES2013d C FEE051 2 345.063 345.776 345.2 345.64 Alright . 345.64 ES2013d A FEE049 0 345.696 346.752 345.72 346.72 Over to you . 346.72 ES2013d C FEE051 2 347.504 348.228 347.52 348.17 Well . 348.17 ES2013d A FEE049 0 350.544 352.336 350.59 352.29 Ooh , two . 351.46 352.29 ES2013d C FEE051 2 352.134 356.752 352.3 356.65 Yeah , well you see , each made one , we didn't have enough yellow dough . This is the one 352.59 353.05 353.57 356.15 ES2013d A FEE049 0 355.209 355.89 355.3 355.84 Ah . 355.84 ES2013d C FEE051 2 358.8 359.536 358.83 359.34 that I made . 359.34 ES2013d A FEE049 0 359.824 360.512 359.84 360.34 Uh-huh . 360.34 ES2013d C FEE051 2 360.64 368.928 360.66 368.89 It is uh curved , easy to hold , hand-held , nice and small with big easy buttons . This is 363.3 364.58 365.35 368.3 ES2013d C FEE051 2 370.24 409.44 370.27 409.41 like a scroll , but they are push buttons and they enter takes you into the different menus . Of course we need someone who's experienced with the television . I mean this is the infrared thing that's gonna zap at the television . Uh I'm not quite sure how to make that , but I'm sure it will work . Uh this is on off switch , 'cause I think we do need that , and I think it gives it a nice balance . And it's gonna have the logo imprinted on it uh in there . Um as for what it's actually made of well the function of these buttons is up , down , left and right in the different menus . 370.96 375.06 381.17 384.94 387.6 389.29 390.96 391.95 395.47 400.8 406.05 406.81 409.41 ES2013d A FEE049 0 395.482 396.247 395.72 395.91 'Kay . 395.91 ES2013d A FEE049 0 399.085 399.84 399.51 399.66 Okay . 399.66 ES2013d A FEE049 0 409.938 410.592 410.16 410.55 Okay . 410.55 ES2013d C FEE051 2 411.2 413.936 411.22 413.9 Uh position , I presume that just means 412.7 ES2013d C FEE051 2 415.456 427.84 415.56 427.66 right right on it , easy to see . The main feature of it is just a simple design , simple , lack of uh buttons all over the place . Right ? Form 416.86 418.04 421.12 422.25 425.97 427.01 ES2013d C FEE051 2 429.424 435.392 429.53 435.22 curved , kind of smooth , hand-held , makes it feel nice to hold . 431.13 432.0 433.66 435.22 ES2013d C FEE051 2 437.504 477.392 437.52 477.31 Uh material , I think Kate's gonna tackle that quite a bit , but I think we have two different options , because we did make a another one , which wa uh is in the shape of banana , it's just if you can imagine this as yellow with black buttons , like just like this but in the shape of a banana , which is also nice and easy to hold and feels good and has a similar sort of scroll push button technology , just a slightly different design . Also with on off switch and infrared uh I had envisioned it in hard smooth plastic . 439.37 441.3 443.97 446.8 449.32 452.74 454.63 464.87 467.24 477.31 ES2013d A FEE049 0 452.576 453.366 452.66 453.12 Mm-hmm . 453.12 ES2013d A FEE049 0 453.863 454.528 453.96 454.34 Mm-hmm . 454.34 ES2013d C FEE051 2 478.736 487.776 478.76 487.58 So like uh well , I dunno , what's it like ? I guess like an existing remote control , but molded and smooth . 482.61 483.36 484.24 486.11 487.58 ES2013d C FEE051 2 489.296 499.168 489.38 499.13 Whereas otherwise we'd thought , like with this one or mix and match , just we were gonna see what you thought , the uh a more spongy rubber cover with spongy buttons . 491.8 493.83 495.5 499.13 ES2013d C FEE051 2 500.288 508.352 500.31 508.3 So we have the two options we can follow , either the smooth hard plastic or the spongy rubber , depending on cost restraints . And what we 502.0 504.99 507.06 ES2013d C FEE051 2 509.536 511.872 509.56 511.84 well , what conclusion we reach when we discuss it . 510.06 511.84 ES2013d C FEE051 2 512.397 518.416 512.397 518.416 Uh material yeah , that's what I have to say about material . Can I scroll down on there and see what else 514.62 516.64 ES2013d B FEE050 1 517.525 518.215 517.65 517.92 Mm-hmm . 517.92 ES2013d C FEE051 2 519.424 535.136 519.51 535.1 Well colour , I think I definitely have a preference towards bright yellow with black buttons , because that's the company colours , but if anybody's got any other suggestions , I'm quite willing to consider them as well . 520.16 526.72 530.05 531.86 535.1 ES2013d C FEE051 2 536.912 545.648 536.912 545.6 So , it just depends what you think about these ideas and if I'm yeah , maybe , Kate , you better say what you think about them . 538.35 543.13 543.76 543.93 545.6 ES2013d B FEE050 1 545.968 603.296 545.99 603.17 Um well I don't have very much to add . Um the the case oops , that's the uh on off button just come off our prototype . The the case can be either um spongy rubber or hard plastic . We're not absolutely sure about a combination of the two , but it can be either of those . We have the technology to do that . Um and as for the the actual components um , uh Steph just said this is a quite a cheap device to manufacture . We have simple rubber push buttons um which provide all the functionality we need . Um the um the diode that actually does the um infrared is at the end , it's the stalk of the banana , or it's just the thing at the end of this version . Um so that's for material . Colour , well uh Steph's the expert on colour . Um we we don't have any particular restrictions on that . 547.54 550.33 552.83 558.53 560.72 561.88 563.96 570.84 574.85 579.23 586.85 588.15 592.33 596.24 596.72 599.34 603.17 ES2013d B FEE050 1 605.152 607.408 605.17 607.28 Yeah , I think that's all we've got to say really . 605.58 607.28 ES2013d C FEE051 2 605.696 622.448 605.82 622.3 I thin as for as for the fruit or organic theme , I guess this one is obviously fruit shaped . This one has n banana , yeah . This one has no obvious connections to fruit , but because it's round and molded , 610.44 614.11 616.25 616.79 620.3 622.3 ES2013d B FEE050 1 614.381 615.472 614.57 615.42 A banana . 615.42 ES2013d C FEE051 2 623.077 642.096 623.46 641.95 it kinda makes you think sort of organic , touchy-feely , kiddie , it's more like yeah , you'd expect it to be like a child's sorta toy remote control instead of a real one , which I quite like that sort of image . 'Cause it's very big and chunky and child-friendly and 626.6 627.73 628.14 629.01 635.2 638.27 ES2013d B FEE050 1 642.392 646.098 642.392 645.92 Would you care to examine the prototypes , see how they feel in the hand ? 644.34 645.92 ES2013d C FEE051 2 644.16 648.272 644.16 648.21 Hold them , you see , you know . Curvature , is it to your liking ? 645.68 646.06 646.64 647.19 648.21 ES2013d A FEE049 0 652.176 654.064 652.2 653.97 Oh I see , the on-off's in the back . 652.64 653.97 ES2013d B FEE050 1 654.416 658.288 654.44 658.18 Yes , that's so that your index finger automatically goes straight to it . 654.67 658.18 ES2013d C FEE051 2 659.52 661.882 659.54 661.42 If you don't wanna tire out your thumbs after all . 661.42 ES2013d A FEE049 0 660.432 663.074 660.45 663.074 And then you can use your thumb . 662.82 ES2013d B FEE050 1 661.952 668.32 662.03 668.28 And it was partly we thought the design looked better , but it could be moved if if marketing feel it's important to have the on off button in a different place . 664.16 668.28 ES2013d C FEE051 2 663.744 664.24 663.8 664.12 Yeah . 664.12 ES2013d A FEE049 0 670.016 674.48 670.09 674.38 I could see this thing , unless it's reinforced , having a problem with the 671.57 673.07 ES2013d C FEE051 2 675.296 682.56 675.34 682.51 Breaking , oh right . Well you see , that's why hard plastic would be quite a good thing for it , because then it'd just be rigid . 676.04 676.97 677.4 680.7 682.51 ES2013d A FEE049 0 675.469 676.56 675.56 676.47 you know yeah . 676.47 ES2013d D FEE052 3 687.024 692.044 687.04 691.64 I like the fact that on both of them the keys play such a prominent role . 691.64 ES2013d A FEE049 0 691.36 691.92 691.38 691.8 Hmm . 691.8 ES2013d D FEE052 3 692.953 694.493 692.97 694.493 It's really kind of a - ES2013d C FEE051 2 692.992 720.14 693.01 719.93 Yeah , we really like we really like that design , I mean it looks just like a logo , that arrangement of the keys . Like a c like a compass point , you know , just up , down , left and right , and we think we could make that quite a good feature . And it's like the the iPod scroll wheel , but better . Yeah . Yeah , yeah , I mean it that's what it makes me think of , mobile phones , I was try I was thinking , moving your thumb like this , what does that remind me of ? It's texting . 693.5 695.65 697.07 699.25 700.79 701.52 702.06 702.31 702.97 704.98 709.4 710.7 711.13 711.46 711.65 713.54 714.26 715.96 716.86 718.97 719.93 ES2013d D FEE052 3 700.859 701.844 701.01 701.79 Mm-hmm mm-hmm . 701.79 ES2013d D FEE052 3 707.92 711.054 707.94 711.054 Yeah . But it's also like texting , you don't 708.77 710.46 ES2013d B FEE050 1 711.554 712.047 711.61 711.82 Hmm . 711.82 ES2013d D FEE052 3 718.432 719.001 718.45 718.81 Yeah . 718.81 ES2013d B FEE050 1 718.688 722.384 718.71 722.34 And it's a very simple design , there's not a lot to wrong , the components are cheap to make . 720.0 721.1 722.34 ES2013d D FEE052 3 722.477 738.272 722.6 738.23 It's also in terms of um being lost it's it's quite it looks quite different . You know , I I d I have several four remotes , and they all look the same until you get up close and you have to you know , this is really identifiable . 728.92 729.23 732.52 736.65 738.23 ES2013d C FEE051 2 728.592 729.128 728.73 729.02 Hmm . 729.02 ES2013d C FEE051 2 735.696 736.08 735.75 736.05 Yeah . 736.05 ES2013d C FEE051 2 738.256 754.432 738.256 754.38 I mean the thing is we do need to develop our technology of I mean actually how to program the menus and what sort of , you know , text box is gonna appear at the bottom of the screen , but we do definitely think that it's a viable option . 746.34 747.5 750.78 754.38 ES2013d D FEE052 3 744.637 745.12 744.79 745.08 Mm-hmm . 745.08 ES2013d D FEE052 3 749.835 750.304 750.01 750.15 Mm-hmm . 750.15 ES2013d A FEE049 0 754.56 760.373 754.61 759.99 Okay . The next item is evaluation . 756.31 759.99 ES2013d D FEE052 3 760.699 761.984 761.21 761.95 No , okay . 761.43 761.95 ES2013d A FEE049 0 762.32 764.43 762.44 764.26 Uh if that's if you're finished . 764.26 ES2013d D FEE052 3 762.635 763.335 762.72 763.335 Um - ES2013d C FEE051 2 763.136 765.376 763.136 765.22 Uh yeah , we're finished . 763.8 765.22 ES2013d B FEE050 1 763.654 764.285 763.8 764.06 Mm-hmm . 764.06 ES2013d D FEE052 3 764.688 767.116 764.71 766.91 shall I take your uh power ? 766.91 ES2013d A FEE049 0 767.104 767.984 767.19 767.89 Oh sorry . 767.89 ES2013d D FEE052 3 784.768 784.992 784.79 784.93 Oh . 784.93 ES2013d A FEE049 0 788.096 788.672 788.13 788.64 Try again . 788.64 ES2013d D FEE052 3 806.848 827.504 806.92 827.47 Okay . This is going to be a heavily interactive evaluation , and the method here is to evaluate the new remote control in terms of the user requirements and the hot trends introduced by the marketing department . So , this means we're going to go over the priorities that were raised by uh the consumers 808.75 813.27 821.48 822.3 ES2013d D FEE052 3 828.086 859.905 828.18 859.79 a as well as incorporate all of our insight into this uh evaluation exercise . So I'm going to go and use the whiteboard , and I've made a list of criteria to look at , and so I'm gonna I'm gonna leave this up as the last thing , but for the evaluation it's going to be one is true and seven is false , going over these different criteria , so one true seven false and I'm gonna now use the um the board . 832.56 836.2 840.66 844.7 850.58 852.86 859.79 ES2013d D FEE052 3 880.272 883.456 880.54 883.42 Okay . So um 881.98 ES2013d D FEE052 3 887.744 888.889 887.91 888.7 fancy , 888.7 ES2013d D FEE052 3 890.368 892.4 890.39 892.28 technologically innovative , 892.28 ES2013d D FEE052 3 894.96 897.424 894.98 897.26 easy to use , trendy , 896.55 897.26 ES2013d D FEE052 3 899.648 900.688 899.75 900.6 buttons , 900.6 ES2013d D FEE052 3 901.84 905.856 901.86 905.55 excess buttons , good buttons , 904.32 905.55 ES2013d D FEE052 3 908.736 909.28 908.76 909.23 ugly , 909.23 ES2013d D FEE052 3 913.018 914.32 913.48 914.28 sellable , 914.28 ES2013d D FEE052 3 916.0 927.09 916.02 927.04 and other . And in fact I hope that uh you all introduce some additional terms , because these are things that um have been brought up , some of them seem rather close , like they overlap . 916.51 921.08 924.05 925.7 927.04 ES2013d C FEE051 2 925.824 930.384 925.84 930.35 Yeah , what about price , is that gonna go on there as well ? Price of materials . 926.11 926.9 929.21 930.35 ES2013d D FEE052 3 928.608 929.91 928.63 929.85 Mm , yeah , price . 929.09 929.47 929.85 ES2013d A FEE049 0 929.122 929.93 929.22 929.84 Hmm . 929.84 ES2013d D FEE052 3 931.281 933.182 931.45 933.07 We'll put price up at the top . 933.07 ES2013d C FEE051 2 932.192 936.56 932.192 936.09 Not that we actually know anything about it , but we can we can pretend . 934.25 936.09 ES2013d A FEE049 0 937.456 939.408 937.58 939.36 Well we will soon , unfortunately . 938.52 939.36 ES2013d D FEE052 3 940.112 940.896 940.13 940.86 Um - ES2013d D FEE052 3 941.904 942.976 941.97 942.976 Okay , so 942.51 ES2013d A FEE049 0 944.112 945.776 944.33 945.66 Come on . 945.66 ES2013d D FEE052 3 948.656 953.072 948.68 952.97 Did you say ? Uh okay , so 950.31 952.28 ES2013d A FEE049 0 949.424 951.022 949.45 950.94 No , . 950.94 950.94 ES2013d D FEE052 3 954.064 956.816 954.31 956.78 wha how do we feel in terms of is this fancy ? 956.78 ES2013d C FEE051 2 958.544 966.848 958.56 966.76 It depends what what you mean by fancy really , 'cause when I think of fancy , I think of it's got lots of extra sort of fripperies and , you know , like 960.62 961.78 966.32 966.54 ES2013d C FEE051 2 967.936 970.544 968.32 970.48 baroque curliness and which - ES2013d D FEE052 3 969.707 970.789 969.707 970.68 Mm-hmm . 970.68 ES2013d C FEE051 2 971.584 973.92 971.6 973.89 I'd call these quite uh minimalist , 973.89 ES2013d B FEE050 1 973.616 976.432 973.64 976.4 Yes , a plain , simple , clean design . 973.9 974.75 975.3 976.4 ES2013d C FEE051 2 976.096 986.992 976.12 986.96 simple and plain , but I mean I do see what it is heavily reliant on appearance instead of pure functionality , so in that respect it is quite fancy . 977.83 984.37 986.96 ES2013d D FEE052 3 982.512 982.864 982.54 982.82 Mm-hmm . 982.82 ES2013d D FEE052 3 984.592 989.053 984.592 988.55 I yeah , so in that respect I think we'll go with that respect . 985.18 988.55 ES2013d C FEE051 2 988.112 993.791 988.13 993.48 I think just maybe we need a different word other than fancy , I'd say maybe aesthetic . 990.51 993.48 ES2013d D FEE052 3 990.432 991.122 990.47 991.06 Yeah . 991.06 ES2013d B FEE050 1 992.096 994.624 992.096 994.624 Well we have got s trendy further down , but 994.28 ES2013d A FEE049 0 992.846 993.932 993.07 993.86 Elegant . 993.86 ES2013d A FEE049 0 994.768 995.638 994.91 995.39 Elegant . 995.39 ES2013d D FEE052 3 995.552 996.48 995.82 996.45 Elegant . 996.45 ES2013d B FEE050 1 996.512 998.432 996.53 998.19 Elegant , I don't know if I'd call them elegant . 996.87 998.19 ES2013d D FEE052 3 998.352 1001.249 998.37 1001.249 Yeah , no these aren't the exact terms that the um 998.65 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1000.72 1002.816 1000.72 1002.78 like stylish or aesthetic . 1002.78 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1002.875 1003.609 1003.02 1003.39 Yeah . 1003.39 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1002.88 1004.368 1003.09 1004.22 Stylish , yeah . 1003.92 1004.22 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1004.688 1010.896 1004.71 1010.896 Elegant . We're gon let's use elegant , although the the the people , the word on the street is is 1005.38 1006.58 1008.87 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1011.072 1011.616 1011.1 1011.58 Fancy . 1011.58 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1012.304 1017.552 1013.13 1017.31 Yeah . N that um 1014.36 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1017.616 1018.816 1017.64 1018.77 Did you just break the pen ? 1018.77 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1018.736 1023.648 1019.31 1023.61 yeah uh the uh is fancy . So let's let's take it to the next level . 1021.89 1023.61 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1023.061 1024.944 1023.2 1024.9 Well d we'll just call it fancy then . 1024.9 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1025.072 1028.416 1025.09 1028.36 Well okay , so in terms of elegant , fancy . 1025.65 1027.77 1028.36 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1029.584 1042.169 1029.6 1042.169 we'll call it E_F_ um , do we do we think that perhaps and maybe we should say the yellow ? Should we go with the yellow in terms of I think that's a really superior they're both 1031.87 1036.54 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1040.608 1055.664 1040.97 1055.53 Yeah , I think we n we need to they're both yellow with black buttons , it's just that we didn't have any more dough to represent uh that , but if you can just imagine banana shape with these bits as black . So what we re really need to decide is whether we want the actual banana shape 1041.22 1044.07 1047.11 1051.15 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1043.936 1044.508 1044.01 1044.3 Yeah . 1044.3 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1047.248 1047.68 1047.28 1047.65 Mm . 1047.65 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1049.568 1050.08 1049.59 1050.01 Yeah . 1050.01 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1056.976 1071.247 1057.0 1071.16 or just a a purely blob or some sort of abstraction in between the two that isn't that is more curved , like a banana , but that isn't actually recognisable as a banana , you know , with the grooves and the stalk and stuff , so . 1065.04 1065.85 1068.44 1068.66 1070.8 1071.16 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1060.455 1061.017 1060.51 1060.86 Yeah . 1060.86 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1067.744 1068.48 1067.85 1068.42 As a banana . 1068.42 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1070.432 1074.528 1070.45 1074.47 I think that many of us are abstract enough to look at the yellow one and say we'll call it the banana . 1074.47 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1075.344 1075.728 1075.36 1075.64 Yeah . 1075.64 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1076.32 1081.312 1076.38 1081.28 And of the two I really like I m I like the banana , but I I do like the chunk . 1079.62 1081.28 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1079.767 1080.886 1079.96 1080.67 The chunk . 1080.67 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1083.376 1089.056 1083.44 1088.99 So that's maybe not something we have to decide just right now , is it . Just somewhere a long the scale of in between these two . 1086.17 1086.46 1088.99 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1085.666 1089.096 1085.88 1088.76 No , but I mean in terms we have to evaluate one of them . 1086.34 1088.76 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1091.248 1093.735 1091.38 1093.5 Unless do you guys wanna evaluate both ? 1093.5 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1092.128 1096.304 1092.15 1096.25 I think between the two , somewhere between the two is true . 1094.3 1096.25 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1094.752 1095.728 1094.752 1095.728 Yeah , I'd 1095.39 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1097.456 1099.744 1097.48 1099.59 It's more true than false , about a two . 1098.81 1099.59 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1098.213 1098.951 1098.32 1098.65 Okay . 1098.65 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1099.968 1102.256 1099.99 1102.21 So we say true . Um 1101.57 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1102.799 1106.275 1102.799 1106.08 technologically innovative . 1106.08 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1107.488 1115.152 1107.51 1115.08 I d I don't think that's what we're aiming at with this concept . I think we're using simple components that are gonna be robust but not particularly innovative . 1109.92 1115.08 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1109.296 1113.622 1109.32 1113.38 Yeah . So we'll say we'll say uh false . 1110.06 1113.38 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1115.328 1116.272 1115.35 1116.24 Easy to use . 1116.24 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1116.512 1117.136 1116.53 1117.09 Very . 1117.09 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1116.96 1117.648 1117.06 1117.61 Yes . 1117.61 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1119.072 1124.096 1119.072 1124.06 One , is that inappropriate ? Okay . Oh , pardon me . Um 1119.89 1121.11 1122.09 1122.19 1123.21 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1120.279 1121.07 1120.35 1120.78 Mm-hmm . 1120.78 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1120.752 1121.184 1120.81 1121.15 Yeah . 1121.15 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1126.144 1126.784 1126.2 1126.71 Trendy . 1126.71 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1126.837 1130.192 1126.86 1130.15 trendy , s and I say specifically spongy fruity . 1127.72 1130.15 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1126.816 1127.631 1126.92 1127.6 Oh yes . 1127.6 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1130.384 1131.328 1130.46 1131.27 Mm-hmm . 1131.27 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1132.24 1138.82 1132.26 1138.82 Well , maybe only a two or a three then , 'cause it's no we still haven't decided about specific sponginess or specific 1132.52 1134.23 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1137.856 1145.09 1137.88 1144.98 We have the worry about how robust it will be if it's it's curved as a banana but spongy . I think yeah . 1143.35 1144.98 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1143.296 1143.832 1143.32 1143.69 Hmm . 1143.69 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1143.142 1144.131 1143.65 1143.91 Okay . 1143.91 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1143.776 1146.76 1143.8 1146.76 Yeah , I don't really think that's gonna work , but 1144.09 1146.27 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1146.128 1149.12 1146.128 1149.08 Okay , so two ? Um 1146.5 1148.44 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1147.327 1147.908 1147.38 1147.65 Yeah . 1147.65 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1149.92 1152.48 1150.12 1152.44 Excess buttons . No . 1152.0 1152.44 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1150.129 1151.584 1150.26 1151.55 are there excess buttons ? 1151.55 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1151.368 1152.05 1151.53 1151.89 No . 1151.89 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1151.544 1152.848 1151.8 1152.25 No . 1152.25 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1155.973 1163.776 1155.973 1163.74 That is false . Um good , well designed buttons , intuitive buttons . 1158.59 1161.13 1162.29 1163.74 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1156.688 1158.272 1156.71 1158.272 So that's false . 1157.88 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1163.056 1165.68 1163.08 1165.65 Better , more intuitive buttons , yes . 1163.71 1165.16 1165.65 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1165.376 1165.808 1165.4 1165.75 True . 1165.75 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1167.68 1168.144 1167.7 1168.11 Ugly . 1168.11 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1168.323 1170.912 1168.34 1170.912 No . 1170.83 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1168.435 1169.872 1168.71 1169.57 No . 1169.57 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1169.226 1169.865 1169.42 1169.69 No . 1169.69 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1170.784 1181.136 1170.8 1180.96 People don't respond well to ugly . Sellable , uh quirky , you know , something people like oh , yeah . Yeah , I do too . 1173.05 1174.25 1175.82 1176.02 1179.76 1180.32 1180.51 1180.96 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1177.376 1178.96 1177.46 1178.93 Yeah , I think they're different , aren't they ? 1177.7 1178.59 1178.93 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1178.176 1180.064 1178.2 1180.03 Well it is quite it is quite quirky I think . 1180.03 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1179.536 1180.24 1179.63 1180.2 I like it . 1180.2 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1181.056 1183.408 1181.08 1183.33 It could be quite a good brand , like 1183.04 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1184.384 1184.957 1184.41 1184.78 Oh yeah . 1184.78 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1184.656 1186.096 1184.68 1186.05 a good little object . 1186.05 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1186.416 1192.688 1186.44 1192.65 And I was I was thinking of other things um in terms of uh could we say it's cost saving ? 1192.65 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1194.672 1195.312 1194.69 1195.312 With the - ES2013d C FEE051 2 1195.296 1203.192 1195.32 1203.11 Oh , we also need tho think about the energy . Is it the kinetic energy ? If it's it is gonna be environmentally friendly with the kinetic energy . 1195.51 1196.83 1198.44 1203.11 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1197.207 1198.932 1197.33 1198.77 Yeah , with the energy . 1197.9 1198.77 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1198.496 1200.0 1198.53 1199.91 Mm . Yeah . 1199.61 1199.91 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1200.08 1201.12 1200.1 1201.08 It is going to be kinetic ? 1201.08 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1201.76 1202.144 1201.84 1202.11 Yeah . 1202.11 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1202.192 1203.012 1202.4 1202.63 Mm-hmm . 1202.63 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1202.576 1205.52 1202.6 1205.46 Yeah , we'll c we'll say it's a cost saving enviro . 1202.81 1205.46 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1207.008 1208.032 1207.09 1208.0 Uh so yes . 1208.0 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1208.64 1209.488 1208.66 1209.45 Yeah , but we haven't 1208.91 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1210.96 1216.016 1211.04 1215.98 completely developed that side of it yet , so we're not completely sure about that , but yeah . 1213.71 1215.54 1215.98 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1213.698 1223.424 1213.9 1223.37 Well you're still in the Play-Doh stage . Anything else ? Including price , do you have any idea about price or other features ? 1217.82 1219.34 1220.68 1223.37 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1217.312 1217.568 1217.34 1217.53 Yeah . 1217.53 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1223.872 1228.576 1223.89 1228.51 Well I think our instinct is that it should be pretty cheap to develop . We haven't got a lot of expensive components in there . 1226.54 1228.51 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1226.76 1227.503 1226.8 1227.17 Okay . 1227.17 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1227.024 1229.392 1227.04 1229.29 Yes , the instinct says true . 1227.98 1229.29 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1229.408 1231.888 1229.43 1231.85 So true one or should I go to two or three ? 1231.85 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1232.496 1234.906 1232.69 1234.906 I'd put it at one I think , but I dunno , what do you 1233.78 1234.66 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1233.897 1234.629 1234.03 1234.41 Okay . 1234.41 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1234.384 1240.832 1234.4 1240.8 I would say maybe a two , 'cause we still we need to uh get somebody in who is good with the programming for the menus 1235.34 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1241.728 1245.27 1241.75 1245.03 Yeah , true , it might be the yeah , yeah , true . 1242.11 1242.42 1244.35 1244.73 1245.03 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1241.665 1260.596 1241.8 1260.31 and things . I mean it's not just like I mean it's not like ev you know , on a normal chunky remote every button res I mean means something different , whereas this one has only got the four buttons and they all they mean everything , depending on what menu you're in . uh we need somebody to develop that . 1242.17 1245.17 1249.96 1254.28 1257.69 1260.31 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1242.582 1245.081 1242.71 1244.36 Yeah , that's not a cheap thing to get . 1242.9 1244.36 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1246.336 1246.881 1246.39 1246.78 True . 1246.78 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1256.272 1256.764 1256.29 1256.64 Hmm . 1256.64 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1257.329 1259.475 1257.48 1259.39 Yeah , that's a good point . 1257.7 1259.39 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1261.024 1262.16 1261.51 1262.13 Um - ES2013d D FEE052 3 1263.2 1265.6 1263.29 1265.56 other ? Anything else you guys can thing of ? 1264.25 1265.56 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1269.808 1282.56 1269.87 1282.52 And I'm gonna actually change a couple of these so then I'm gonna instead of ugly I'm gonna say it's attractive and then make that true , so that 'cause I have to do an average . And then um excess buttons . 1276.8 1279.66 1282.52 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1277.648 1278.016 1277.68 1277.97 Yeah . 1277.97 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1279.072 1279.76 1279.072 1279.6 Right . 1279.6 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1282.624 1284.144 1282.65 1284.11 Just putting no excess buttons . 1284.11 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1284.064 1284.816 1284.08 1284.78 Exactly . 1284.78 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1287.024 1288.663 1287.36 1288.38 Wow we're doing really well . 1288.38 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1290.48 1294.624 1290.5 1293.84 Yeah , be you know , so it doesn't ruin the polarity . 1291.63 1292.31 1293.84 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1292.096 1307.36 1292.37 1307.25 As for see if we're technologically innovative , I'd say it is quite innovative , because there aren't really many that have this menu idea instead of all the extra buttons . I mean I know we're not doing anything involving internet or speech recognition 1295.81 1297.47 1303.14 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1300.192 1300.624 1300.25 1300.59 Mm-hmm . 1300.59 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1308.365 1314.336 1308.39 1314.336 but but we are at the upper end of the push button market . 1313.71 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1308.368 1309.456 1308.43 1309.29 Or L_C_D_ . 1309.29 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1312.898 1313.579 1313.07 1313.41 Yeah . 1313.41 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1314.256 1330.528 1314.28 1330.49 Well if you g uh let me know if if any of these um if you if you all can think of any other um thing to change here if you th if you think I should change the innovative or add other features . If not I'll average those . 1328.67 1330.49 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1333.056 1334.016 1333.18 1333.88 I think we're good . 1333.88 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1334.304 1335.658 1334.304 1335.2 Okay . 1335.2 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1338.608 1339.079 1338.78 1338.87 Mm . 1338.87 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1345.376 1353.248 1345.59 1353.05 Okay . We're a little over halfway through the meeting and the next big thing is the finance . 1346.4 1353.05 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1346.336 1347.02 1346.36 1347.02 So - ES2013d A FEE049 0 1357.888 1358.696 1358.06 1358.38 Okay . 1358.38 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1360.352 1367.824 1360.37 1367.79 Um okay , how about if I uh pass this back to you and I'll uh figure out the average here . 1361.61 1367.79 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1364.784 1365.245 1364.81 1365.0 Yep . 1365.0 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1368.128 1369.056 1368.22 1369.0 Right . 1369.0 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1375.776 1377.536 1375.8 1377.39 Thank you for everyone's help with that . 1377.39 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1380.864 1381.937 1380.96 1381.27 Right . 1381.27 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1383.84 1400.144 1383.86 1400.05 And as you can see it says the same thing , it had not lost itself , thank Goodness . And we're going to raise what's called a sp a spreadsheet that they provided to me . Um 1388.63 1390.58 1392.63 1399.44 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1401.488 1402.592 1401.65 1402.39 and - ES2013d A FEE049 0 1404.096 1409.072 1404.12 1409.02 it says fill in the number of components you plan to use in your device . 1409.02 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1412.144 1416.976 1412.18 1416.89 Hand dynamo , battery , kinetic , solar cells . 1413.52 1414.26 1415.62 1416.89 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1418.112 1419.145 1418.31 1419.02 Okay . 1419.02 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1418.416 1421.281 1418.44 1420.85 Well , just kinetic then , . 1418.68 1420.85 1420.85 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1420.752 1421.28 1420.77 1421.22 Yeah . 1421.22 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1421.328 1421.776 1421.328 1421.74 Yeah . 1421.74 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1422.896 1423.744 1423.05 1423.71 Um - ES2013d A FEE049 0 1426.576 1427.856 1426.6 1427.82 what's a hand dynamo ? 1427.82 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1428.208 1433.104 1428.23 1433.104 That was the crank , wind-up crank on the side . 1429.55 1432.46 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1428.162 1429.312 1428.53 1429.27 It's the wind-up . 1429.27 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1429.472 1439.744 1429.49 1439.64 Oh shoot , forget that . Kinetic is um and how many of those will we need per we only need one . 1431.55 1433.04 1439.64 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1438.512 1439.211 1438.53 1439.12 Just one . 1439.12 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1442.185 1448.864 1442.51 1448.79 Okay . Electronic simple chip on print , and we'll need one of those . 1443.94 1447.32 1448.79 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1448.912 1450.992 1448.93 1450.992 Uh uh yeah , I think we can do it all with simple 1449.66 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1452.304 1453.643 1452.33 1453.56 Just checking that . 1453.56 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1470.88 1475.344 1471.04 1475.17 Yeah , simple , 'cause we've just got push buttons , so we can do it all with simple which is the ch should be the cheapest . 1471.34 1471.74 1472.82 1475.17 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1475.824 1490.784 1475.94 1490.75 Okay , and we only need one of those . Okay , the case will be uncurved and flat or a single curve or a double curve . It looks like it single curve , 'cause of th the chunkiness . It's that's uh uh one . 1476.21 1478.46 1479.0 1484.12 1486.68 1488.57 1490.75 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1477.434 1478.036 1477.45 1477.67 Yep . 1477.67 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1488.848 1492.487 1488.87 1492.42 Yeah , that that one is single curve , isn't it ? Um do we have 1489.07 1490.38 1490.97 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1491.955 1494.213 1492.12 1494.08 What does double curved mean , I don't understand . 1493.3 1494.08 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1492.111 1492.986 1492.26 1492.95 And that's - ES2013d B FEE050 1 1493.648 1495.632 1493.67 1495.41 I I think you it means you reverse the curve . 1495.41 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1494.208 1496.768 1494.24 1496.6 uh that's the the one that goes like this . 1496.6 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1496.688 1498.397 1496.71 1498.3 Oh no , we don't need that . No . 1496.97 1497.85 1498.3 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1496.715 1502.048 1496.76 1501.91 Yeah . Yeah , I do I don't think we need that for either of them , you can do a banana in single curve , yeah . 1497.88 1498.07 1499.59 1501.15 1501.91 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1498.014 1498.754 1498.06 1498.57 Right . 1498.57 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1499.88 1501.454 1499.94 1500.98 Single-curved , I'd say . 1500.67 1500.98 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1500.368 1501.904 1500.39 1501.58 No , single curve . 1500.69 1501.58 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1506.416 1515.552 1506.45 1515.42 Okay , case material supplements . Plastic , wood , rubber , titanium , special colour . We had the special colour . 1506.92 1509.3 1509.91 1510.31 1511.03 1512.07 1513.9 1515.42 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1509.305 1511.007 1509.4 1510.94 I - ES2013d C FEE051 2 1512.096 1513.936 1512.12 1513.89 I just wanna say plastic . 1513.89 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1516.976 1519.904 1517.11 1519.75 And did we say plastic ? 1519.75 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1520.08 1527.728 1520.1 1527.31 Yeah , can we do some what ifs , 'cause it may I mean I I still quite like the idea of combining plastic and rubber myself , but it depends on the cost , I guess . 1520.27 1521.39 1525.88 1526.91 1527.31 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1522.095 1525.527 1522.29 1525.41 One , two , three , four , five , six . 1522.57 1523.0 1523.87 1523.99 1524.65 1525.41 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1522.592 1523.064 1522.61 1522.96 Yeah . 1522.96 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1528.336 1542.768 1528.36 1542.69 Okay . We'll come back , if we can , to the rubber being added at the moment , that's where we are . Interface button push button interface . That's what we're using , isn't it ? 1529.36 1530.85 1531.52 1535.3 1537.19 1541.11 1542.08 1542.69 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1538.864 1539.712 1538.88 1539.63 It's just button . 1539.63 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1540.608 1540.956 1540.63 1540.91 Yeah . 1540.91 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1541.031 1542.055 1541.12 1541.79 Yes . 1541.79 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1542.736 1544.928 1542.76 1544.86 Yep . Do we need to say how many buttons , or 1543.29 1544.66 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1542.72 1543.04 1542.77 1543.01 Yeah . 1543.01 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1545.952 1550.144 1546.08 1550.144 Whoops , don't want that , not yet . Um 1546.88 1548.07 1549.52 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1547.488 1548.798 1547.51 1548.61 or d is it just one ? 1548.61 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1552.624 1560.736 1552.66 1560.65 No , it just says push button interface . Button supplements , they'll be in a special colour of black . 1552.99 1556.33 1557.78 1560.65 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1556.257 1557.375 1556.51 1557.08 'Kay . 1557.08 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1562.272 1564.064 1562.33 1564.064 And the buttons - ES2013d A FEE049 0 1565.152 1567.919 1565.22 1567.8 Wha what is the buttons made of , rubber ? 1567.42 1567.8 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1567.28 1568.88 1567.3 1568.81 Uh they'll be rubber , yep . 1568.49 1568.81 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1569.52 1570.768 1569.54 1570.65 So we need one of them . 1570.65 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1573.056 1574.912 1573.11 1574.84 And are they any special form ? 1574.84 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1576.464 1581.264 1576.48 1581.23 Well yeah , like the compass point one . 1577.7 1581.23 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1581.408 1588.4 1581.69 1588.36 Actually , does tha does special material mean that plastic is not a special material ? 'Cause I think they can be plastic . 1582.56 1586.03 1588.36 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1598.916 1602.122 1598.99 1601.96 'Cause the rate we're going we can put the rubber on top . 1601.96 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1600.844 1606.944 1600.92 1606.86 Yeah . They could be plastic , we don't have to have rubber buttons , because we haven't got a double curved case . 1601.45 1602.26 1605.29 1606.86 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1605.306 1605.974 1605.52 1605.82 Oh . 1605.82 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1609.072 1610.176 1609.09 1610.1 Yeah , they could be plastic . 1609.36 1610.1 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1611.696 1612.448 1611.696 1612.41 Okay . 1612.41 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1613.68 1614.336 1613.73 1614.27 Um - ES2013d A FEE049 0 1616.976 1622.16 1617.0 1622.02 let's put that rubber in then , of the case material supplement . 1619.6 1622.02 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1622.304 1623.376 1622.4 1623.31 It's just one , isn't it ? 1622.9 1623.31 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1624.016 1625.328 1624.16 1625.25 Uh we only need one of them . 1625.25 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1628.944 1637.68 1629.03 1637.62 Um and the total cost has been calculated as nine Pounds twenty out of the twelve and a half we were allowed . 1637.62 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1637.632 1638.304 1637.65 1638.21 What , we're in . 1637.8 1638.21 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1638.768 1639.12 1638.79 1639.05 Yeah . 1639.05 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1639.872 1643.824 1639.89 1643.78 We're in . That's us . 1642.81 1643.78 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1644.128 1644.848 1644.15 1644.69 More profit . 1644.69 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1645.376 1646.288 1645.4 1646.04 Great . 1646.04 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1646.752 1653.136 1646.77 1653.136 Okay , I'm going to save this into our 1648.15 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1654.56 1659.328 1654.58 1659.29 desktop , project documents . Okay . 1656.18 1658.71 1659.29 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1660.848 1663.107 1660.94 1663.04 As our project document bit . 1663.04 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1662.528 1664.4 1662.55 1664.33 Do you do you need to double click on that to open it ? 1664.33 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1665.216 1665.648 1665.24 1665.49 Yeah . 1665.49 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1669.972 1671.209 1670.09 1670.61 There we are . 1670.61 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1673.568 1695.568 1673.59 1695.52 That's the only Excel document that will be in there , so it's there for all of us . Okay , so , are they under twelve fifty ? Yes , go to the project evaluation , next slide . Right . Um the project process , satisfaction with , for example , the room for creativity . 1676.36 1680.36 1681.14 1682.02 1683.81 1684.22 1686.28 1687.62 1689.21 1691.52 1692.88 1693.85 1695.52 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1683.978 1685.013 1684.21 1684.98 Yes . 1684.98 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1696.736 1698.88 1696.77 1698.78 Yeah , leadership , 1698.18 1698.78 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1699.668 1700.607 1699.82 1700.47 Sure . 1700.47 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1699.501 1700.503 1699.86 1700.39 Yeah . 1700.39 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1700.176 1700.976 1700.2 1700.84 teamwork , 1700.84 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1701.344 1701.952 1701.36 1701.83 Yes . 1701.83 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1702.288 1707.105 1702.31 1707.03 means , of having whiteboard , the digital pens and all that kind of good things . 1703.68 1704.83 1707.03 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1706.752 1707.792 1706.77 1707.71 And Play-Doh . 1707.71 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1708.288 1708.8 1708.38 1708.69 Uh-huh . 1708.69 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1708.357 1708.761 1708.4 1708.64 Yeah . 1708.64 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1708.72 1711.168 1708.75 1711.168 Yeah , yeah , the Play-Doh was best , I thought . 1709.05 1709.22 1710.16 1711.07 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1711.472 1721.936 1711.49 1721.9 Yeah well , 'cause I mean it's so hard to describe what you mean just with words and pointing at photographs and saying , well we quite want this , but imagine it rounder . So much better just to go and , 1711.9 1717.39 1718.64 1720.48 1721.9 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1723.232 1726.928 1723.29 1726.928 you know , this is it , this is what we want . 1724.1 1724.55 1726.29 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1724.933 1725.764 1724.933 1725.68 Yep . 1725.68 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1733.76 1734.528 1734.08 1734.43 Okay . 1734.43 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1736.0 1742.256 1736.0 1742.17 So , we went over all those things and we're satisfied with all the above . 1738.72 1742.17 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1742.642 1743.096 1742.75 1742.96 Yep . 1742.96 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1748.176 1750.288 1748.2 1750.2 Um did we find any new ideas ? 1750.2 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1751.728 1759.216 1751.8 1759.18 I think with the marketing element of uh fruit shaped I I mean I that really opened my eyes . 1759.18 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1759.888 1762.32 1760.16 1762.21 Yeah . Spongy . 1761.43 1762.21 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1765.072 1766.848 1765.11 1766.78 I I only speak for myself though . 1766.78 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1768.688 1776.448 1768.77 1776.448 And I'd never heard of the kinetic energy before , so . Good work as a design team , because we 1772.38 1772.88 1774.35 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1771.728 1772.56 1771.728 1772.53 Yeah . 1772.53 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1774.08 1775.968 1774.08 1775.93 Yeah , I think we're a good team actually . 1774.77 1775.93 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1780.432 1783.04 1780.45 1783.0 I'm not sure all the wires are really great though . 1783.0 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1787.872 1789.856 1787.89 1789.79 So we actually worked well as a group . 1789.79 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1792.474 1793.299 1792.5 1792.99 I thought so . 1792.99 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1793.984 1800.121 1794.0 1799.9 Right . Are the costs within the budget ? Yes . Is the project evaluated ? Yes . 1794.61 1796.64 1797.54 1799.13 1799.9 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1796.176 1797.16 1796.41 1797.1 Oh yes . 1797.1 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1796.883 1797.664 1796.97 1797.41 Yes . 1797.41 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1797.216 1798.304 1797.27 1798.18 Yes . 1798.18 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1799.04 1799.831 1799.12 1799.8 Yes . 1799.8 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1799.456 1802.752 1799.48 1802.752 Yes . Oh hang on , we haven't heard . 1800.12 1800.62 1802.62 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1799.432 1830.368 1799.65 1830.33 I can give you a number , um it's uh the average evaluation score is one point eight eight , so it means w you know , I can I can spell it out . There were six true or ones , four um pardon me , two s almost true or close to true , so that was four points , and then uh one false , seven points , so seventeen divided by nine we're between one and two . I would say that's ex excellent 1801.64 1806.36 1808.06 1809.67 1814.0 1816.82 1821.86 1823.08 1824.29 1824.86 1828.96 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1801.65 1802.399 1801.77 1802.26 Uh-huh . 1802.26 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1831.52 1837.056 1831.54 1837.02 in terms of uh ho how much we adhere to the ideals of the uh market place . 1837.02 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1836.24 1840.272 1836.26 1840.22 Yeah . And the the only false one is because we've chosen 1837.0 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1840.672 1844.02 1840.9 1843.92 To maintain old technology , exactly . 1843.02 1843.92 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1841.472 1850.624 1841.51 1850.59 to keep a simple old technology , which if it works perfectly well I see no point in improving on if it works , so . 1844.24 1850.27 1850.59 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1843.881 1844.604 1844.16 1844.5 Mm-hmm . 1844.5 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1848.688 1849.84 1848.71 1849.8 Yeah , yeah . 1849.67 1849.8 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1849.696 1851.536 1849.696 1851.44 Absolutely , and it's kept us within budget . 1850.26 1851.44 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1851.938 1852.614 1851.98 1852.39 Yes . 1852.39 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1852.016 1855.232 1852.04 1855.18 Yeah . So we do count as I think excellent or one . 1852.66 1855.18 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1852.498 1853.34 1852.59 1853.03 Mm-hmm . 1853.03 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1855.68 1868.01 1855.7 1867.84 Alright . And we've therefore we have to do the final questionnaire and do the meeting summary , I have a final report to present , um and then we're done . 1857.33 1862.38 1865.71 1867.84 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1856.544 1857.408 1856.544 1857.408 . 1857.408 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1868.161 1868.868 1868.32 1868.64 Okay . 1868.64 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1869.648 1872.496 1869.67 1872.46 We done good , and we're finished in time . 1870.61 1872.46 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1869.617 1871.76 1870.12 1871.56 Bring on the ice sculptures . 1871.56 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1872.624 1873.104 1872.64 1873.07 Nice . 1873.07 ES2013d B FEE050 1 1873.984 1883.36 1874.01 1880.5 And then we get the product launch party . Product launch party ? Absolutely . 1876.81 1880.5 1882.98 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1874.256 1875.442 1874.28 1875.33 So we might have to wait . 1875.33 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1876.112 1876.608 1876.32 1876.5 Yeah . 1876.5 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1878.096 1878.932 1878.32 1878.63 Yeah . 1878.63 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1878.316 1879.904 1878.42 1879.76 That's what I said , ice sculptures . 1878.91 1879.76 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1882.192 1885.328 1882.21 1885.29 Um I one thing I want to do is oh , I think the meeting's done . 1884.4 1885.29 ES2013d C FEE051 2 1885.552 1886.711 1885.57 1886.38 Is that the end of the meeting ? 1886.38 ES2013d A FEE049 0 1885.824 1889.776 1885.84 1888.36 I believe that is the end of our meeting . Thank you , Melissa . 1888.03 1888.36 1889.53 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1887.632 1888.586 1887.93 1888.4 Yeah . 1888.4 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1889.696 1895.485 1889.72 1895.26 Um one thing I wa I wanna do is save everything in the right files , because I don't think everything is saved . 1893.03 1895.26 ES2013d D FEE052 3 1896.352 1898.56 1896.37 1898.52 The right files . Final meeting market 1897.68 ES2014a A MEE053 0 71.376 72.16 71.42 72.12 Right , so 71.84 ES2014a A MEE053 0 73.972 77.92 74.44 77.86 start of the first meeting . Uh . 77.13 77.86 ES2014a D MEE056 3 76.112 76.432 76.13 76.4 Mm-hmm . 76.4 ES2014a A MEE053 0 81.314 86.848 81.45 86.848 Right , so agenda of the first meeting . Where we uh 81.79 85.42 ES2014a A MEE053 0 88.912 104.595 90.12 104.24 We have twenty five minutes for this meeting . We uh are to get acquainted . So does everyone want to say who they are ? that seem sensible ? 92.6 99.57 102.64 104.24 ES2014a B MEE054 1 91.856 92.576 91.88 92.33 Okay . 92.33 ES2014a D MEE056 3 102.854 103.558 102.98 103.47 Yeah . 103.47 ES2014a D MEE056 3 104.832 106.816 104.86 106.78 I'm Robin . I'm the Marketing Manager . 105.6 106.78 ES2014a C FEE055 2 107.616 110.16 107.64 110.13 I'm Louisa . I'm the User Interface Designer . 108.53 110.13 ES2014a B MEE054 1 110.384 113.008 110.4 112.59 I'm Nick . I am the Industrial Designer . 111.02 112.59 ES2014a A MEE053 0 113.068 122.672 113.32 122.57 And I'm Alastair and I'm the project leader . Alright okay , so tool training . Um . 117.87 118.7 121.79 122.57 ES2014a A MEE053 0 125.386 131.232 125.386 130.9 Project plan . So does anyone have any uh thoughts 127.46 ES2014a A MEE053 0 132.544 136.384 132.57 136.22 as to the tool training that uh is required ? 136.22 ES2014a B MEE054 1 136.08 137.453 136.52 137.38 Tool training . 137.38 ES2014a C FEE055 2 137.072 140.112 137.09 140.02 I'm not exactly sure what you mean by tool training . 140.02 ES2014a A MEE053 0 140.256 142.768 140.43 142.65 Neither am I . 142.65 ES2014a A MEE053 0 145.744 148.048 145.91 148.048 Oh I see , so we shouldn't really be 146.48 ES2014a A MEE053 0 156.864 180.624 156.88 180.44 Oh right okay , so . So we have the project team , which is to um basically to come up with a new r remote control device . Uh we have uh the starting base was the original which has been in existence now for a period of time . And uh our idea is to uh 157.79 158.68 159.73 165.89 176.82 ES2014a A MEE053 0 181.664 205.76 181.72 205.73 to make the new remote control device uh more user friendly than the previous one , and to to be trendier , to be with it , and therefore to uh to get a bigger market share and bigger audience . So um method of doing this is uh split up as you can see into uh 186.09 190.27 190.9 197.08 ES2014a B MEE054 1 191.273 193.358 191.273 193.14 Yeah . 193.14 ES2014a A MEE053 0 206.928 214.272 206.928 214.22 the functional design , the conceptional design , and the detailed design . So um 209.04 210.75 212.87 ES2014a A MEE053 0 217.392 226.448 217.41 226.29 in each of these uh phases we'll uh basically be handing over to yourselves , the designers of this uh 223.6 ES2014a B MEE054 1 223.485 224.32 223.86 224.15 Yes . 224.15 ES2014a A MEE053 0 227.76 236.576 227.78 236.48 this device . And uh having uh meetings so that we can uh during the course of the day um come up with a 229.2 ES2014a A MEE053 0 239.2 248.592 239.28 248.47 better better inst implement than we had before . And therefore um have a successful uh conclusion to the day . Um 242.21 248.01 ES2014a A MEE053 0 249.584 285.648 250.41 285.41 and you'll be doing uh various designs uh throughout the day to meet this end . So we've got tool training . Try out whiteboard . Uh . So we will um . Right so everyone's to uh supposedly uh draw their favourite animal over on the white board over there . I guess this is uh make sure the whiteboard works . So uh I don't know who wishes to go first . Do you wish to go f Have a first bash at uh whatever . 257.33 259.42 262.32 265.3 268.04 274.12 277.74 282.21 285.41 ES2014a D MEE056 3 254.729 256.096 254.75 256.06 Mm-hmm , okay . 255.74 256.06 ES2014a B MEE054 1 277.639 278.714 277.82 278.55 Okay . 278.55 ES2014a C FEE055 2 282.15 284.321 282.25 284.321 I don't mind . 283.9 ES2014a D MEE056 3 282.238 284.227 282.39 284.227 I dunno . 283.49 ES2014a C FEE055 2 286.144 287.248 286.21 286.96 Um . 286.96 ES2014a A MEE053 0 287.888 290.83 288.07 290.83 Ah uh . 290.73 ES2014a C FEE055 2 288.356 291.792 288.72 291.74 Let's see . Good job I got pockets today . 290.25 291.74 ES2014a D MEE056 3 291.603 292.825 291.78 292.825 Your microphone's just - ES2014a A MEE053 0 291.776 297.712 291.89 297.712 But now you you uh you'll move out from the microphone and the camera . I take it that 297.07 ES2014a C FEE055 2 296.799 299.446 297.1 299.28 Are we supposed to do this right now , do you think , or ? 298.25 298.78 299.28 ES2014a A MEE053 0 299.056 302.587 299.08 302.587 I would I would guess so . Or 300.71 ES2014a D MEE056 3 301.008 303.446 301.03 302.56 Yeah . I don't know . 301.98 302.56 ES2014a B MEE054 1 301.616 303.648 301.64 303.48 You've lost uh your microphone there . 303.48 ES2014a C FEE055 2 303.336 304.35 303.55 304.2 Oh . 304.2 ES2014a A MEE053 0 304.048 315.76 304.048 315.76 Technical problems . I mean you designers are meant to come up with these sort of things . 306.61 310.54 ES2014a C FEE055 2 305.424 310.557 305.47 310.557 Right here we go . 309.92 ES2014a C FEE055 2 322.541 329.936 322.68 329.84 Okay . I think that I would have to say that my favourite animal is the cat . 323.96 329.84 ES2014a C FEE055 2 335.514 337.36 336.08 337.31 Little smiley cat there . 337.31 ES2014a C FEE055 2 339.552 341.344 339.58 341.24 Um and this would be - ES2014a C FEE055 2 342.688 357.584 342.73 357.44 because they're very independent , uh they're very intelligent , compared to dogs maybe . Um and they can be very very affectionate . Some people don't think so but I know very affectionate cats . Um . 345.19 347.67 349.81 353.62 356.78 357.44 ES2014a C FEE055 2 359.632 361.776 359.65 361.67 Um and they can look after themselves . 361.67 ES2014a A MEE053 0 363.019 366.128 363.019 366.128 Next . 365.9 ES2014a B MEE054 1 365.472 367.215 365.73 367.215 Okay , yeah . I'll I'll 366.06 366.41 ES2014a C FEE055 2 366.496 367.904 366.52 367.84 Shall I rub that out , actually ? 367.11 367.84 ES2014a A MEE053 0 368.624 375.024 368.72 375.024 I don't see as there's any need to . There's plenty of space . I mean whatever . 370.49 372.14 374.96 ES2014a D MEE056 3 373.862 377.424 374.17 377.424 We can have have a whole menagerie . 377.04 ES2014a A MEE053 0 376.432 377.6 376.45 376.99 Exactly . 376.99 ES2014a B MEE054 1 377.296 380.224 377.296 380.19 Shall I see if I can get across without just tangling everything . 380.19 ES2014a B MEE054 1 383.409 384.703 383.65 384.43 Okay . There's one . 384.03 384.43 ES2014a A MEE053 0 383.456 391.648 384.18 391.648 We've had more time to prepare over this side , so we've all stuck our bits and pieces in our pockets . 386.13 391.55 ES2014a B MEE054 1 386.688 390.384 386.688 390.26 Didn't think of that . 390.26 ES2014a B MEE054 1 392.144 397.648 392.93 397.6 'Kay uh pens are over here . I'll try the red pen . 395.81 397.6 ES2014a A MEE053 0 394.64 395.968 394.66 395.93 The three pens are underneath . 395.93 ES2014a B MEE054 1 399.888 410.586 400.08 410.36 Okay . Um . I'm gonna go for the bear which I'm be able to draw very well , but 400.71 404.13 409.82 ES2014a A MEE053 0 409.968 417.306 409.968 417.306 You get marks for artistic impression . 417.0 ES2014a B MEE054 1 410.992 411.968 411.05 411.93 I'll have a bash at it . 411.93 ES2014a B MEE054 1 413.238 413.756 413.29 413.7 Uh . 413.7 ES2014a B MEE054 1 423.008 428.624 423.06 428.59 Ooh ooh I lost it there . I think I've just knocked the microphone . Um . 425.17 427.93 428.59 ES2014a A MEE053 0 427.6 433.312 428.54 433.312 So you're just doing the face . 433.08 ES2014a B MEE054 1 430.8 435.52 430.82 435.47 We'll g then we'll go for a a s small small bear . 435.47 ES2014a B MEE054 1 442.416 448.896 442.44 448.79 Um and I like my animal that looks nothing like a bear because um - ES2014a B MEE054 1 449.749 458.832 450.19 458.832 I dunno maybe because there's so many cartoon characters made up after the bear like the jungle book characters and stuff like that . Great . 456.58 458.54 ES2014a D MEE056 3 460.48 461.405 460.6 461.03 Right . 461.03 ES2014a D MEE056 3 470.49 476.96 470.84 476.92 Hello . Um I'm gonna go for the dog , and I'm gonna draw one badly as well . Uh . 471.31 474.02 476.24 476.92 ES2014a D MEE056 3 484.672 488.624 484.672 488.57 looks like it's going to be a dachshund or something . 488.57 ES2014a C FEE055 2 495.957 498.566 496.25 498.566 That's quite good . 498.1 ES2014a D MEE056 3 502.736 528.075 502.76 528.075 Right . There's my dog . Um I like dogs because they're very loyal . And they're always happy , so whenever whenever you're feeling sort of a bit a bit down or tired , they're always coming up and they're always um quite excited . So um you can always have a lot of fun with a dog . And they're also good for exercise as well . You can sorta get out and they they sorta never get tired . And and when they're tired they're quite cute as well , so . 503.31 504.0 508.01 509.23 513.62 517.07 520.4 522.43 524.92 527.17 527.96 ES2014a D MEE056 3 528.976 530.727 529.0 530.54 Okay , that's why I like dogs . 529.43 530.54 ES2014a A MEE053 0 531.6 547.184 531.6 546.85 Right , um . Well I've not actually had too many pets uh over my uh time 'cause to be honest with you uh 536.89 540.28 ES2014a A MEE053 0 548.992 564.64 548.992 564.64 I'm not too keen on them anyway . Not to worry . So what my daughters have got at the moment is they've got uh a few fish and so hopefully um won't prove too difficult to draw . Uh 552.27 552.76 561.63 ES2014a A MEE053 0 576.059 609.76 576.41 608.99 As you can see that my artist artistic work is useless as well . Anyway um . And uh one of the best uh things about fish is that they don't really take uh too much looking after because uh with most of the animals if you're going away on holiday or whatever , you've gotta spend money or get a friend or whatever to look after them for you . Whereas if you got fish , you just gotta put the food in a a a dripper feed which feeds them over the uh couple of weeks that you're away and uh 581.13 583.55 596.29 601.47 602.99 ES2014a A MEE053 0 610.928 630.176 610.96 630.0 change the water every couple of months , and buy in a few plants , so . Other than the fact that they keep dying , uh fish are uh are not are are are reasonable pets in that uh they're low maintenance . Right . 612.72 615.15 615.97 617.84 629.73 630.0 ES2014a D MEE056 3 626.512 629.456 626.512 629.42 Great . 629.42 ES2014a A MEE053 0 631.92 640.448 633.1 640.25 Okay , uh if we're still all with us . Right okay , so . 634.4 637.14 638.32 640.25 ES2014a A MEE053 0 641.68 643.808 641.7 643.3 Work has been done on uh - ES2014a A MEE053 0 645.12 690.528 645.16 690.47 this uh project where by um twenty five Euros is uh the uh expected uh selling price . That information has come from our marketing manager here . So we're looking to sell internationally , not just in Europe . We're looking at um having our production costs limited to uh twelve and an half Euro per unit . And therefore making a profit margin of uh well not actually a profit margin it's uh because obviously you're gonna have overheads and various other costs to uh take uh from uh 656.12 663.08 664.97 666.62 677.0 ES2014a D MEE056 3 655.84 656.176 655.86 656.14 Mm-hmm . 656.14 ES2014a D MEE056 3 658.793 660.599 658.793 660.27 Yeah . 660.27 ES2014a A MEE053 0 691.84 694.976 691.94 694.86 from that to give you your profit margin per unit . 694.86 ES2014a A MEE053 0 696.912 711.365 696.93 711.365 And so depending what the uh the overhead uh costs are will determine uh how many units we're uh looking to sell or projecting to sell at this point in time . So um 710.03 ES2014a A MEE053 0 716.384 739.52 716.42 739.35 Experience with remote control , first ideas . New remote . So I guess we're looking at um having a discussion at this point in time to help uh you um folks design our our new model as it were . So uh any any thoughts ? 717.89 719.87 720.9 735.26 739.35 ES2014a B MEE054 1 733.424 734.368 733.44 734.368 Yes . 734.04 ES2014a B MEE054 1 739.44 746.784 739.49 746.75 Um I with some remote controls the buttons were a little small so they're quite hard to press so maybe we make something with uh - ES2014a B MEE054 1 747.776 750.528 747.8 750.39 easy to press buttons . As that is the main function . 749.34 750.39 ES2014a A MEE053 0 750.944 764.592 751.0 764.45 Okay , so so basically we're looking for some um we're looking for a device that is um robust and 751.8 ES2014a B MEE054 1 762.96 763.577 763.04 763.44 Yes . 763.44 ES2014a A MEE053 0 765.808 772.72 765.83 772.64 and therefore uh won't get damaged too easily . Um we're looking for a device 769.69 ES2014a A MEE053 0 776.512 779.392 776.53 779.34 that is uh What was the other things you said there ? 779.34 ES2014a B MEE054 1 779.472 783.456 779.49 783.42 Um sort of easy to use so the buttons are accessible . 783.42 ES2014a A MEE053 0 781.456 782.128 781.48 782.09 Easy to use . 782.09 ES2014a A MEE053 0 783.376 784.749 783.93 784.7 Use . 784.7 ES2014a B MEE054 1 786.24 787.376 786.24 787.34 is easy to use and see . 787.34 ES2014a A MEE053 0 788.089 793.648 788.33 793.47 And see . Okay . Uh . 789.71 791.56 793.47 ES2014a B MEE054 1 788.981 789.691 789.08 789.44 Yes . 789.44 ES2014a C FEE055 2 792.42 797.632 792.66 797.6 Can I just check ? Is this just a television remote ? Because a lot of um 793.75 795.95 ES2014a C FEE055 2 798.864 809.712 798.97 809.66 systems are kind of T_V_ video combined now , or T_V_ D_V_D_ combined . And one of the most annoying things is having like five remotes in the house . So if you've got a combined system , it could be a combined remote . 801.16 802.82 806.42 808.18 809.66 ES2014a A MEE053 0 803.024 803.712 803.08 803.6 Mm-hmm . 803.6 ES2014a D MEE056 3 810.624 810.928 810.66 810.89 Mm . 810.89 ES2014a C FEE055 2 810.848 812.928 810.87 812.88 Or is it just a television that we're supposed to be doing ? 812.88 ES2014a A MEE053 0 813.895 828.688 814.12 828.688 Oh I w um basically I'll get back to you on that . But it seems to me sensible , 'cause as you rightly said , there's nothing more annoying than having three or four devices littered about the uh about the room . And uh 816.51 817.91 820.64 825.64 ES2014a D MEE056 3 824.704 825.384 824.72 825.22 Yeah . 825.22 ES2014a A MEE053 0 830.656 832.624 831.15 832.59 So a device for - ES2014a A MEE053 0 834.592 836.066 834.63 835.89 for all remotes . 835.89 ES2014a B MEE054 1 839.136 841.424 839.136 841.17 Sorry , you go . You go . 839.65 840.21 841.17 ES2014a D MEE056 3 838.72 839.552 839.39 839.52 I've - ES2014a D MEE056 3 840.752 880.88 840.77 880.88 Okay . Yeah . Um one of the things um we found from the market research is that people often get confused by the number of buttons on them as well . 'Cause there's quite often lots and lots . And um sometimes uh they sort of remote controls defeat their own purpose because you're sat in the chair and the remote is somewhere else in the room . So whereas in the past you'd have to get up to change the channel , now you have to get up to sort of pick up the remote . So so I don't we need to sort of maybe think about how um we could maybe uh develop a remote control which moves around the room . I don't know . 841.34 841.96 848.82 851.7 862.88 866.49 868.59 879.87 880.66 ES2014a C FEE055 2 879.328 883.79 879.328 883.79 Comes to your whistle . 883.41 ES2014a A MEE053 0 880.8 882.32 880.82 882.32 Hmm . 882.27 ES2014a D MEE056 3 882.576 887.084 882.6 887.084 That's that's maybe something for the future when you can talk to your television , but 885.56 ES2014a B MEE054 1 885.944 887.278 886.06 887.278 Yeah . 887.08 ES2014a A MEE053 0 885.68 908.928 887.36 908.77 But is it in a sense it's r um mutually exclusive . You can't have both the th the one device and then have few buttons on it to 'cause you want you want simplicity as well , you want any idiot to be able to use it . Whilst at the same time you want , as you rightly said , one remote for all . 890.62 900.49 903.87 906.19 907.68 908.77 ES2014a D MEE056 3 891.989 892.874 892.08 892.59 Yeah . 892.59 ES2014a D MEE056 3 903.696 903.952 903.72 903.92 Yeah . 903.92 ES2014a D MEE056 3 909.584 909.904 909.61 909.85 Mm-hmm . 909.85 ES2014a A MEE053 0 910.016 930.928 910.04 930.87 And so these are probably mutually exclusive options that uh Hmm you could argue that experience of using devices and similar devices as people get more and more used to using remotes , therefore they're more with handling them , therefore you can make them more complicated as time goes on . 926.39 928.11 930.87 ES2014a B MEE054 1 914.816 915.296 914.84 915.02 Yes . 915.02 ES2014a D MEE056 3 915.904 916.192 915.92 916.16 Mm-hmm . 916.16 ES2014a B MEE054 1 927.185 928.383 927.57 928.22 Yeah . 928.22 ES2014a B MEE054 1 930.864 937.76 930.97 937.73 Maybe we could um have better instructions with the remote . Or are we just doing the design of the remote control itself , or sort of the instructions that would come with it ? 933.48 935.9 937.73 ES2014a A MEE053 0 937.68 941.148 937.68 941.09 Better instructions . 941.09 ES2014a D MEE056 3 941.76 942.16 941.78 942.06 Yeah . 942.06 ES2014a D MEE056 3 943.28 943.696 943.34 943.66 I mean - ES2014a D MEE056 3 945.024 973.792 945.23 973.76 we've done some research um about sort of you know what the cutting edge sort of hand held devices are , and a lot of them sort of use you know they're like they're like mini laptops . So it's possible that we could devise a system where where you're you're basically sort of holding a a miniature computer which is controlling all your your sort of your television , your stereo , and where you know if you buy a new thing then it sort of you can link it to that as well , maybe . 952.36 957.14 967.2 968.48 973.45 973.76 ES2014a A MEE053 0 956.736 957.2 956.78 957.14 Mm-hmm . 957.14 ES2014a A MEE053 0 973.184 987.872 974.53 987.84 Okay . Um well we've got five minutes before the end of the meeting . So uh we have to uh start winding up . Um is there Next meeting in thirty minutes . 975.6 978.67 982.53 987.84 ES2014a B MEE054 1 988.595 989.304 988.72 989.22 'Kay . 989.22 ES2014a D MEE056 3 989.712 990.256 989.88 990.22 Okay . 990.22 ES2014a A MEE053 0 989.472 993.488 990.64 993.488 So um - ES2014a A MEE053 0 994.976 1000.464 995.16 1000.464 Right , so we've got I_D_ the Come on , where's my 995.64 999.19 ES2014a D MEE056 3 1000.272 1004.48 1000.31 1004.32 If you just click return it should be okay . It'll get rid of the message . 1003.14 1004.32 ES2014a B MEE054 1 1007.92 1011.545 1007.92 1011.545 Or not . 1011.49 ES2014a D MEE056 3 1011.472 1014.4 1011.49 1014.17 If you hit just hit return and it should get rid of the message . 1014.17 ES2014a A MEE053 0 1023.552 1034.144 1023.552 1034.144 Oh there we go . Yeah . That's what I was looking for . Right . So we've got function 1027.16 1028.21 1030.26 1031.32 ES2014a D MEE056 3 1026.304 1029.388 1026.33 1029.388 Oh you've got . 1029.1 ES2014a A MEE053 0 1035.584 1038.224 1035.6 1038.224 Oh what happened to the - ES2014a C FEE055 2 1037.552 1043.952 1037.57 1043.91 I think that might be back to the start . Um if you grab the kind of uh slide to the left and pull it down ? 1039.73 1043.91 ES2014a D MEE056 3 1039.536 1040.32 1039.7 1040.1 Yeah . 1040.1 ES2014a B MEE054 1 1041.808 1044.368 1041.808 1044.368 slide four - ES2014a D MEE056 3 1044.944 1045.28 1044.98 1045.23 Yeah . 1045.23 ES2014a A MEE053 0 1053.28 1054.55 1053.54 1054.06 Right . 1054.06 ES2014a A MEE053 0 1062.48 1068.896 1062.7 1068.76 Right . Sorry about that . Okay , so we've got um the working design 1064.1 1065.64 1066.06 ES2014a B MEE054 1 1063.632 1064.478 1063.77 1064.1 Okay . 1064.1 ES2014a A MEE053 0 1069.888 1084.528 1069.91 1084.47 for I_D_ . For U_I_D_ the technical functions design . Marketing , the user requirement specification . Specific instructions will be sent to you by your person by your personal coach . So . 1070.79 1073.97 1074.89 1077.41 1083.79 1084.47 ES2014a A MEE053 0 1085.632 1099.312 1085.65 1099.13 Are we all clear what objectives we're looking to meet in the next thirty minutes ? And I guess I'll try and write up some minutes of uh this meeting to uh to give it to you for the next meeting . 1090.39 1099.13 ES2014a D MEE056 3 1090.032 1090.336 1090.06 1090.3 Mm-hmm . 1090.3 ES2014a B MEE054 1 1090.294 1091.077 1090.49 1090.9 Yes . 1090.9 ES2014a B MEE054 1 1098.624 1099.552 1098.68 1099.38 'Kay , yes . 1099.04 1099.38 ES2014a D MEE056 3 1099.712 1100.016 1099.75 1099.96 Mm-hmm . 1099.96 ES2014a C FEE055 2 1099.936 1108.579 1100.2 1108.27 I'm not exactly clear on what we're designing the rem remote for . Is this a mun multi-functional one or do we decide that ourselves as we go away and work on it ? 1103.43 1108.27 ES2014a B MEE054 1 1109.072 1114.4 1109.09 1114.37 I think you just said at the start it was a television remote control , so maybe we should just stick to that unless we get told otherwise . 1111.39 1114.37 ES2014a A MEE053 0 1110.992 1113.2 1111.1 1112.88 Television remote control . 1112.88 ES2014a C FEE055 2 1111.548 1112.409 1111.7 1112.26 Right . 1112.26 ES2014a A MEE053 0 1114.624 1149.008 1115.11 1148.92 That's true , 'cause during during the course of our day we might make decisions based on information or meetings that would change where we're going . But at this point in time I think you're right that uh shall we make it just a T_V_ . Okay ? So we will depart . We will stay here and uh and break off . And I'll do minutes and and we'll see you in half and hour . Okay . Right s 1115.5 1125.27 1131.41 1132.75 1135.41 1139.45 1143.91 1146.52 ES2014a D MEE056 3 1124.0 1125.305 1124.06 1125.19 Okay cool . 1125.19 ES2014a B MEE054 1 1132.256 1132.816 1132.28 1132.63 'Kay . 1132.63 ES2014a B MEE054 1 1142.8 1143.36 1142.83 1143.32 Okay , that's great . 1142.98 1143.32 ES2014a C FEE055 2 1143.056 1143.456 1143.14 1143.34 Okay . 1143.34 ES2014a D MEE056 3 1143.376 1145.048 1143.4 1144.83 Okay cheers . 1144.83 ES2014b A MEE053 0 57.098 59.2 57.32 59.0 Right uh . 59.0 ES2014b A MEE053 0 62.383 64.416 62.7 64.35 So um . 64.35 ES2014b A MEE053 0 69.856 73.76 69.88 73.71 So where's the PowerPoint presentation ? 73.71 ES2014b A MEE053 0 76.224 78.448 76.68 78.22 Sorry ? 78.22 ES2014b A MEE053 0 81.216 83.472 81.37 83.22 Microsoft PowerPoint , right . 82.58 83.22 ES2014b A MEE053 0 88.509 92.32 88.79 92.28 Right , okay . So . 89.98 91.93 92.28 ES2014b A MEE053 0 97.543 98.208 97.74 98.16 Right . 98.16 ES2014b A MEE053 0 100.272 103.552 101.49 103.51 Okay , so we've got uh 101.84 ES2014b A MEE053 0 107.568 112.304 108.64 112.16 so we've got new project requirements . Um . 111.36 112.16 ES2014b A MEE053 0 116.176 125.52 116.2 125.4 So basically we've got three things , and we've got forty minutes in which to uh for this meeting to uh to discuss the various options . Um . 117.48 124.82 125.4 ES2014b A MEE053 0 126.928 128.896 127.29 128.73 Three presentations . 128.73 ES2014b B MEE054 1 130.315 134.789 130.86 134.41 We have a I guess we have a presentation each , 'cause I've got one . Um . 133.1 133.99 134.41 ES2014b C FEE055 2 134.064 134.256 134.08 134.22 Yeah . 134.22 ES2014b D MEE056 3 134.176 136.003 134.2 135.54 Yeah , I've got one too . 134.52 135.54 ES2014b A MEE053 0 133.68 145.872 134.79 145.872 I see , right . That's nice to know , one from each of you . Um new project requirements . Um so do we want to do the presentation first , or do we want to um 135.52 136.17 136.74 137.97 140.38 142.75 ES2014b A MEE053 0 147.376 191.024 147.4 190.94 W I I got um or or three things basically , um relating to the remote being only for T_V_ . We discussed that last time and in actual fact that was pr pretty well what we came up with anyway . So in fact it actually f we won't be forestalled in a sense . Um we've got uh teletext outdated . Um did you get any information on that ? Right and the corporate image was the uh final thing . So I I got that in email form . Um . Right okay . So 152.24 156.61 163.84 169.32 172.48 177.69 182.11 187.32 189.72 190.56 ES2014b B MEE054 1 158.56 159.2 158.58 159.05 Mm-hmm . 159.05 ES2014b D MEE056 3 159.139 160.025 159.55 159.89 Mm-hmm . 159.89 ES2014b D MEE056 3 163.645 164.672 164.08 164.55 Mm-hmm . 164.55 ES2014b B MEE054 1 175.472 176.704 175.54 176.59 Uh we didn't , no . 176.34 176.59 ES2014b C FEE055 2 176.624 176.992 176.65 176.94 No . 176.94 ES2014b B MEE054 1 177.813 179.177 177.84 179.05 I d I didn't personally . 179.05 ES2014b D MEE056 3 178.719 179.628 179.07 179.45 Hmm . 179.45 ES2014b A MEE053 0 192.304 204.384 192.39 204.384 I guess if we go ahead with the uh with the three presentations . So we'll start with yourself on the basis that uh 197.72 ES2014b B MEE054 1 200.732 201.95 200.99 201.79 Okay that's fine . 201.79 ES2014b B MEE054 1 204.304 208.464 204.33 208.41 I'll just um I'll grab the wire out the back of this one . 208.41 ES2014b A MEE053 0 208.384 209.836 208.54 209.34 Sorry , yep . 208.98 209.34 ES2014b A MEE053 0 229.504 238.56 236.86 238.56 Oh . 238.23 ES2014b C FEE055 2 237.31 238.448 237.61 238.11 What is it ? 238.11 ES2014b B MEE054 1 240.784 242.388 240.82 242.388 I'm not quite sure how it - ES2014b C FEE055 2 241.264 243.424 241.28 243.35 I think you've got to do um control F_ eight . 243.35 ES2014b B MEE054 1 243.84 245.952 243.9 245.952 Control - ES2014b B MEE054 1 251.008 252.864 251.03 252.79 Doesn't seem to be quite working at the moment . 252.79 ES2014b C FEE055 2 252.528 255.136 252.55 255.136 Shift F_ eight . 254.97 ES2014b B MEE054 1 256.019 257.584 256.5 257.49 Alt function F_ eight . 257.49 ES2014b B MEE054 1 260.512 262.64 260.512 262.59 Again not doing anything . 262.59 ES2014b D MEE056 3 262.944 267.167 262.944 267.05 There's usually a little thing in the top right for the Oh hang on , it's just coming on . 266.29 267.05 ES2014b B MEE054 1 265.664 265.904 265.75 265.87 Oh . 265.87 ES2014b C FEE055 2 265.615 267.729 265.77 267.27 Ah there , it's doing something . 266.45 267.27 ES2014b B MEE054 1 267.136 270.368 267.136 270.25 pressed about five times now . 270.25 ES2014b B MEE054 1 277.968 279.808 278.17 279.61 Okay , that's me . 278.45 279.61 ES2014b B MEE054 1 305.728 308.0 305.87 307.97 Okay , um I have to go again . 306.54 307.97 ES2014b A MEE053 0 315.293 316.759 315.293 316.62 it going ? 316.62 ES2014b B MEE054 1 319.488 320.736 319.52 320.67 Hopefully that should be it this time . 320.67 ES2014b B MEE054 1 328.64 330.624 329.11 330.54 Okay , I think we're there . That's good . 329.51 330.16 330.54 ES2014b B MEE054 1 331.968 333.456 332.07 333.456 Okay , um 332.69 ES2014b B MEE054 1 337.968 359.84 339.08 359.7 Okay I'm gonna be looking at the working design . Um of the of the remote control . Um I've just got three sections , first is the research I made on the on the remote control itself um . And then that involves the components required in it and the systems uh design of the actual the actual remote . 341.89 345.95 347.88 353.61 359.7 ES2014b B MEE054 1 361.136 390.645 361.16 390.61 Um so having researched the existing models within the market , um I found my research off the internet . Um I've established what the components required for the remote control to function , actually are . And then also the methods in which these components interact together for the remote to actually do what you want it to do and how it connects with the television . Um the basic components are an energy source which I guess um in most existing models would be a battery supply . 365.62 367.99 372.06 373.06 382.75 390.61 ES2014b B MEE054 1 390.645 416.832 391.17 416.72 Whether that'll be sort of two batteries , four batteries , um it may vary . We then have the user interface , which is basically the like the the buttons on the actual remote . Um the various functions used for changing channel , uh channel up and down , volume , things like that . Um there's also a chip inside the remote which does all the computer type things . And then the sender , which um 392.74 393.46 396.11 397.78 401.46 405.28 406.1 406.42 407.9 413.85 415.0 ES2014b A MEE053 0 396.031 397.376 396.51 396.71 Okay . 396.71 ES2014b B MEE054 1 418.032 441.264 418.85 441.23 is usually , I've found , an infra-red device which sends a signal to the actual television . Um and the last part is receiver which is important in the system but is not actually part of the remote itself , because that's obviously found in the television . . Um I'm gonna have to actually draw on the board because uh it was a little tricky on PowerPoint to get this working , so . 420.44 421.06 426.86 431.03 435.02 435.02 441.04 441.23 ES2014b B MEE054 1 441.95 443.648 442.28 443.57 I'll just go through there . 443.57 ES2014b B MEE054 1 444.8 449.717 444.84 449.4 S um um do we have a cloth to wipe this down with , or ? Oh I'll j 448.25 448.32 ES2014b C FEE055 2 448.88 450.366 448.9 450.366 I think it's that little - ES2014b A MEE053 0 448.704 458.32 449.0 458.32 Uh there's the rubber on the right , I think . it's magic . 451.96 454.99 458.02 ES2014b B MEE054 1 451.6 456.611 451.62 456.46 Oh I see . Oh okay . I'll get rid of the bear 452.29 454.31 ES2014b B MEE054 1 462.489 463.457 462.58 463.22 Okay that's great . 463.22 ES2014b B MEE054 1 465.216 474.704 466.18 474.67 Okay , so we start off with a um battery suppl Uh no , a power supply which we'd probably get it's probably gonna be the battery . Um 466.49 470.79 474.36 ES2014b B MEE054 1 476.416 477.44 476.44 477.31 we then have - ES2014b B MEE054 1 478.8 490.556 478.82 490.51 a particular button , which may be that's obviously there's lots and lots of different buttons . Um but this is how the basic system works . Um that sends after you press that that sends the message to 479.98 484.19 487.14 ES2014b B MEE054 1 491.184 495.44 491.2 495.44 the chip , which um then sends 492.06 ES2014b B MEE054 1 496.72 503.248 496.74 503.248 It sort of interprets which button you've pressed and then sends the appropriate message to the sender . 503.2 ES2014b B MEE054 1 514.016 514.912 514.23 514.87 Um . 514.87 ES2014b B MEE054 1 515.92 522.832 516.02 522.8 So that's . That's the remote in itself , that's the components of the remote and how they work together . So this is the uh user 517.0 518.23 520.47 ES2014b B MEE054 1 524.08 525.168 524.1 525.05 interface . 525.05 ES2014b B MEE054 1 528.176 534.838 528.42 534.64 Um this is the chip itself , which then , and that's the that's the infra-red 530.72 532.55 ES2014b B MEE054 1 536.432 539.872 536.45 539.81 sender . And then on the separate thing we have on the 537.64 ES2014b B MEE054 1 541.2 542.224 541.22 542.19 on the television - ES2014b B MEE054 1 544.528 545.264 544.56 545.23 we have a - ES2014b B MEE054 1 546.752 547.6 546.78 547.33 a receiver . 547.33 ES2014b B MEE054 1 549.312 553.344 549.54 553.2 And the sender sends a message to the receiver . 'Kay . 552.76 553.2 ES2014b A MEE053 0 557.984 565.696 558.45 565.6 So the the top bit's the power source , yes ? . 560.1 565.6 565.6 ES2014b B MEE054 1 560.057 564.304 560.49 564.23 Ah yes , that's the power source . Um . 560.88 563.49 564.23 ES2014b B MEE054 1 565.488 588.109 565.488 588.109 going on to personal preferences , I've said that battery seems the best option for the actual remote , just because of the size . You don't want a a cable attached to the remote otherwise it's not it's not really a remote . Um and then the sender , and infra-red um has been used quite successfully . If the battery's on reasonable power , they always seem to work fairly well . You don't have to be point directly at the television itself . Um 567.01 570.45 571.57 576.98 578.1 581.58 583.6 584.73 587.62 ES2014b A MEE053 0 587.312 590.288 587.47 590.2 So the battery is the in the sender . 590.2 ES2014b B MEE054 1 589.763 590.69 590.07 590.36 Yes . 590.36 ES2014b B MEE054 1 591.856 593.84 591.88 593.74 'Kay and that's it for the moment . 593.74 ES2014b D MEE056 3 593.792 594.256 593.88 594.22 Okay . 594.22 ES2014b A MEE053 0 596.56 603.124 596.93 603.124 Okay . So , now more design . 598.05 599.85 603.02 ES2014b C FEE055 2 601.17 601.856 601.21 601.53 Right . 601.53 ES2014b C FEE055 2 604.352 604.832 604.37 604.78 Thank you . 604.78 ES2014b C FEE055 2 608.288 612.656 609.19 612.52 Mine's not quite as complicated as all that . 612.52 ES2014b A MEE053 0 611.792 617.392 611.792 617.392 That's what we like to hear . 617.15 ES2014b C FEE055 2 620.064 623.136 620.09 622.96 Did I press function ? Yeah . 621.24 622.96 ES2014b A MEE053 0 629.808 634.688 630.32 634.65 Is it control function ei Oh , th there you go . 632.49 634.65 ES2014b C FEE055 2 631.039 631.589 631.25 631.4 Oh . 631.4 ES2014b C FEE055 2 632.128 659.029 632.7 658.87 Um . Okay so I'm gonna talk a bit about the technical functions design . I'm Louisa , the User Interface Designer , as you know . Um so the m basic method of this is to send a signal from the remote to the television set , so that a desired function is performed . Um an example of the function could be to change the volume up or down , uh so obviously you need two different buttons for that . 634.41 638.28 639.16 640.33 642.19 648.39 651.83 656.57 658.87 ES2014b C FEE055 2 659.029 697.488 659.41 697.22 Um to change the channel , either by pressing the number that you want or by channel up or down . Um to switch the television on or off , maybe a standby button . Um here are two example remotes . Um by the look of it they both have um kind of play and fast forward , rewind functions , so I think they incorporate a kind of video function which we won't have to worry about . Uh but as you can see , the left remote is quite um quite busy looking , quite complicated . Um whereas the right remote is much simpler , it looks much more user friendly . 661.17 666.1 668.21 669.78 673.28 677.6 678.88 685.14 686.16 689.78 691.39 695.34 697.22 ES2014b C FEE055 2 698.832 727.552 698.85 727.36 Um so my personal preference would be the right remote . So , it's got nice big buttons , it's got a very limited number of buttons . Um they're nice , kinda clearly labelled . Um I like the use of the kind of um symbols like the triangles and the squares and the arrows as well as the words on the um kind of play functions and all that . So it's very very user friendly , and it's got a little splash of colour . Could maybe do with some more colour . Um . 702.72 703.12 704.28 706.63 707.96 709.92 720.97 723.08 724.82 726.68 727.36 ES2014b A MEE053 0 727.824 747.888 727.85 747.81 Well there's a couple of things there . Um we have to remember that we have our own um logo and colour scheme . So basically we'd have to uh we'd have to be putting that on um the the product . 730.66 738.69 747.81 ES2014b C FEE055 2 747.808 753.842 747.83 753.842 Hmm . Do we get to see that ? Will you be presenting that in a bit ? 748.4 749.82 753.53 ES2014b A MEE053 0 749.68 775.04 749.68 774.8 I haven't as yet , no . But uh I got uh I got an email that basically said to uh make sure that uh whatever device we come up with at the end of the day had to incorporate um the corporate colour and slogan . So uh I'm guessing that uh uh I notice on the bottom there it's got uh 752.1 754.21 767.25 ES2014b A MEE053 0 776.064 790.416 776.16 790.0 what's that ? A_P_O_G_E_E_ that might be the corporate colour scheme , although the only the only colour I can see in that is the red . 776.68 785.33 790.0 ES2014b C FEE055 2 789.226 789.712 789.39 789.65 Hmm . 789.65 ES2014b B MEE054 1 790.336 802.537 790.51 802.46 Would you be able to get rid of the the extra buttons here , the the sort of circular section , because that seems to be for a video as well . So we could dispense with that little bit as well and just get it down to just the numbers and the volume . Possibly ? 792.8 794.43 796.51 801.84 802.46 ES2014b C FEE055 2 801.808 804.336 801.83 804.19 What do you mean by the circular section ? Like all of that bottom bit ? 803.11 804.19 ES2014b B MEE054 1 803.184 809.488 803.29 809.42 J yeah yeah yeah j yeah just this little bit is that I think that's still um a video remote part , so maybe we could get rid of that as well . 808.06 809.42 ES2014b C FEE055 2 807.28 807.6 807.3 807.57 Yeah . 807.57 ES2014b C FEE055 2 809.648 818.944 809.67 818.91 Yeah . And I don't really think that you need nine numbers . I mean how often do you use seven , eight and nine ? I think just one to six and then channel up and down should be enough . 810.1 813.12 814.36 815.19 818.91 ES2014b A MEE053 0 810.645 812.43 810.72 812.33 Well b uh w - ES2014b A MEE053 0 819.488 835.447 819.51 835.447 Well th the on the Well uh for for general television purposes obviously you have channels one to five at this point in time , and we'd have to have some room for uh future such channels . But but 828.15 833.91 ES2014b C FEE055 2 819.531 821.12 819.77 821.06 Like how often do you hit nine ? 821.06 ES2014b D MEE056 3 821.264 821.656 821.31 821.61 Mm-hmm . 821.61 ES2014b B MEE054 1 833.808 838.368 833.83 838.368 It's just people are used to seeing that , so if we didn't have them then they might think it's 835.1 ES2014b A MEE053 0 836.288 859.339 836.62 858.95 But , well possibly but the the other thing is that with um the current expansion of uh channels uh in the process of taking place , certainly the button up and down , but uh I mean how many channels do we have to um actual television channels do we have to uh prepare for ? I would have thought that uh 837.77 847.67 849.3 857.67 ES2014b A MEE053 0 859.339 901.654 859.339 901.36 it's forever expanding and at the moment we've got although you've onl you've got the five standard , you've got the B_B_C_ have come up with a further six and uh there's uh I don't know exactly how many channels there are on uh when you take into account uh Sky and various other um various others . So I would've thought that we wouldn't , you know , rather Okay , if the time of flicking from one to other , but presumably it'll take a second 'cause you have to be able to stop it . Maybe you could have a fast forward on the on the channels that w and then you could dispense with more otherwise . Y you'd want you'd want to get fairly quickly to the channel that you wanted . 866.41 881.46 883.2 884.23 885.73 887.76 891.09 897.68 901.36 ES2014b D MEE056 3 870.512 871.102 870.53 870.89 Mm-hmm . 870.89 ES2014b B MEE054 1 877.524 878.386 877.76 878.18 Hmm . 878.18 ES2014b C FEE055 2 881.253 882.055 881.51 881.76 Hmm . 881.76 ES2014b C FEE055 2 902.784 913.168 902.8 912.96 Um some remotes have kind of favourite options where if you always flick from channel one to channel six , um if that's a favourite you just like by-pass two to five . 908.84 912.96 ES2014b A MEE053 0 911.6 912.639 911.68 912.53 Mm-hmm . 912.53 ES2014b A MEE053 0 913.799 936.08 913.94 936.04 Yeah , I s I suppose in a sense you could have um if you've got a hundred channels then if you had sort of an easy way of getting rather than having to go one to a hundred , you could go one to one to ten , ten to twenty and then have a second button to get you to the actual channel you want and that would cut down your time . Anyway . 914.16 922.86 925.42 934.41 936.04 ES2014b C FEE055 2 925.009 925.897 925.45 925.62 Hmm . 925.62 ES2014b D MEE056 3 928.903 929.705 929.13 929.4 Mm-hmm . 929.4 ES2014b C FEE055 2 933.232 945.36 933.26 945.36 Mm . Um . But I think a lot of um like Cable and Sky and stuff , that would be tuned to one channel , and then you'd have another remote for all of those channels . Like to get to fifty five and the higher numbers 934.28 935.21 937.73 938.83 942.88 ES2014b B MEE054 1 942.944 943.648 942.96 943.61 Okay , yeah . 943.32 943.61 ES2014b A MEE053 0 944.545 952.112 944.545 951.98 Whatever . Okay . Okay . Limit the number of buttons , user friendly . 947.54 949.12 949.76 951.12 951.98 ES2014b C FEE055 2 946.098 947.44 946.45 947.14 Yeah . 947.14 ES2014b C FEE055 2 952.4 956.939 952.62 956.55 But I suppose nine's not really excessive . I suppose it does make a good pattern . 954.83 956.55 ES2014b B MEE054 1 954.496 963.488 954.6 963.488 I suppose with nine you've got the the like the last one which makes the tenth means you uh it's like uh multiples you can put them together so you can make any number . So with that we'd kind of by-pass any problems with 961.32 ES2014b A MEE053 0 962.24 962.624 962.26 962.59 Yeah . 962.59 ES2014b A MEE053 0 964.0 967.952 964.02 967.92 Well that's true , yeah , you could get fifty by five and a zero or whatever , that that makes sense . 964.66 964.81 966.94 967.92 ES2014b B MEE054 1 964.657 965.317 964.81 965.16 Yeah . 965.16 ES2014b B MEE054 1 966.389 970.384 966.83 970.32 Yeah . 'Cause that facilitates having all the numbers you could ever need . 967.85 970.32 ES2014b A MEE053 0 970.816 971.152 970.84 971.09 Yeah . 971.09 ES2014b B MEE054 1 971.456 971.888 971.49 971.85 Um . 971.85 ES2014b D MEE056 3 972.222 973.109 972.45 972.73 Mm-hmm . 972.73 ES2014b A MEE053 0 972.512 972.848 972.53 972.77 Does . 972.77 ES2014b C FEE055 2 974.144 975.219 974.16 975.05 Okay . 975.05 ES2014b A MEE053 0 973.984 977.056 974.26 977.056 So w so what was the circular thing that you were - ES2014b C FEE055 2 977.024 980.784 977.04 980.75 Um I think that's just for a video , so we wouldn't need any of that at all . 979.02 980.75 ES2014b B MEE054 1 981.376 983.102 981.4 982.94 So we could get it down to what ? 982.94 ES2014b A MEE053 0 981.872 985.95 981.92 985.85 If it's just for T_V_ , which is what it is at the moment . 983.57 985.85 ES2014b C FEE055 2 986.304 986.704 986.41 986.65 Mm-hmm . 986.65 ES2014b B MEE054 1 987.017 993.472 987.3 993.44 So we get to How many buttons have we got ? We've just got ten , eleven twelve th We got fourteen that we need . I guess . 988.65 989.67 992.97 993.44 ES2014b D MEE056 3 993.776 994.16 993.81 994.11 Mm-hmm . 994.11 ES2014b B MEE054 1 994.608 999.104 994.65 999.07 Um which isn't really too many . That'll be quite easy to make a user guide for a fourteen button remote . 995.92 999.07 ES2014b A MEE053 0 997.858 998.448 998.08 998.35 Mm-hmm . 998.35 ES2014b A MEE053 0 999.456 1019.584 1000.27 1019.45 Well we've we've got um that it's remote for T_V_ only otherwise project would become too complex with uh which would endanger the time to market was one of the considerations . I'm I don't know d did you have that information behind the marketing , or was I meant to give you that information ? 1013.85 1017.37 1019.45 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1012.128 1012.608 1012.35 1012.56 'Kay . 1012.56 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1014.669 1015.283 1014.82 1015.02 Mm-hmm . 1015.02 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1017.372 1018.322 1017.65 1018.2 Um - ES2014b D MEE056 3 1019.648 1024.576 1019.67 1024.54 I'm not sure . I had I've had some market information , but not from the company , no . 1020.43 1022.84 1024.35 1024.54 ES2014b A MEE053 0 1022.896 1023.504 1022.92 1023.43 Right . 1023.43 ES2014b A MEE053 0 1024.912 1036.71 1024.93 1036.71 Right , okay , so basically time to market seems to be important , therefore speed of delivery . We've only got about another four hours left . 1025.26 1025.57 1028.16 1031.28 1036.63 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1028.624 1028.896 1028.64 1028.86 'Kay . 1028.86 ES2014b C FEE055 2 1036.672 1038.832 1036.69 1038.75 Okay , so is everyone happy with that ? 1036.96 1038.75 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1038.912 1040.336 1039.03 1040.3 Ah yes yes , that seems good . 1039.8 1040.3 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1039.296 1039.68 1039.32 1039.62 Okay . 1039.62 ES2014b C FEE055 2 1041.312 1044.016 1041.33 1043.85 Right well that's the end of my presentation . 1043.85 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1044.238 1044.752 1044.54 1044.71 'Kay . 1044.71 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1050.916 1052.684 1050.98 1052.63 I'm gonna pull this off . 1052.63 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1085.44 1088.79 1085.46 1088.71 I think if you just give it a second to maybe catch up . 1088.71 ES2014b A MEE053 0 1087.392 1090.128 1087.41 1090.128 Yeah , I think she said twenty seconds to um 1087.68 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1089.411 1090.093 1089.59 1090.06 Uh-huh . 1090.06 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1091.6 1092.309 1091.63 1092.09 Okay . 1092.09 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1091.952 1093.664 1091.97 1093.19 I'm sure we'll have by the end of today . 1093.19 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1097.854 1099.552 1097.91 1099.06 I'll give it another go . 1099.06 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1109.392 1110.8 1109.43 1110.8 Yeah , there we go . 1109.79 1110.2 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1116.064 1128.192 1116.08 1128.13 Right , we've done some research into the functional requirements that people want out of their remote control . And first off we should state that th the remote control's for controlling the T_V_ 1116.22 1122.88 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1129.2 1148.32 1129.22 1148.27 and um how do people use it ? We asked them sort of which buttons were useful for them . Um how d how does a remote control look and feel for them , and what improvements would would they like to remote control . And we did that by sort of giving them a questionnaire that we'd prepared and asking them to fill in the answers . 1131.81 1134.73 1137.91 1142.59 1148.27 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1150.272 1161.248 1150.29 1161.21 And three quarters of them found that remote controls are ugly and that a sort of even higher proportion would spend more for a sort of s uh a fancier remote control - ES2014b D MEE056 3 1162.896 1197.152 1162.92 1196.87 And that of all the buttons on the remote control , the sort of setting buttons for sort of the picture picture and brightness and the audio settings , um they weren't used very often at all . People concentrated on the channel buttons and the volume buttons and the power buttons . Uh we also asked them about speech recognition uh for remote control . And young people were quite receptive to this , but as soon as we got sort of over about into a thirty five to forty age forty five age group and older , 1166.83 1174.17 1176.93 1182.52 1187.61 1190.4 1196.87 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1197.152 1232.464 1197.44 1232.464 people people weren't quite so keen on speech recognition . There's a lot more th there's a lot lot more older people who didn't know whether they wanted it or not as well . Um we also asked what frustrated people about remote controls and the number one frustration was that the remote was lost somewhere else in the room and that they couldn't find it . And the second second biggest frustration what that if they got a new remote control , it was difficult to learn um all the buttons and all the functions , and to find your way around it . Okay , so 1200.93 1206.81 1218.55 1223.2 1227.12 1230.66 1231.75 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1232.889 1275.2 1233.33 1275.13 My personal preferences from the marketing is that we need to come up with some sort of sleek sort of good looking high high-tech A design which looks high-tech , basically . Um and that we should come up with fewer buttons than most of the controls on the market , and we should sort of concentrate on the channels and sort of power , and also volume and that sort of thing , as as Louisa said . Um we could maybe come up with a menu , a sort of a an L_C_D_ menu for other functions on the remote control . That's worth thinking about . Um and maybe we could think about speech recognition as well , because um sort of young people are 1243.32 1244.63 1249.65 1253.85 1256.42 1258.64 1261.68 1266.64 1268.38 1272.09 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1276.24 1281.904 1276.26 1281.87 perhaps the ones that are gonna buy buy our new product if we aim it at sort of you know sort of a high-tech design . 1281.87 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1282.958 1286.0 1283.22 1285.73 That that might be the market that we're we're looking for . 1285.73 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1287.136 1310.32 1287.25 1310.28 And we could maybe think about using speech recogniti recognition as a way to find the remote control if it's lost in a room , rather than sort of um having it to speech recognition to change the channels . 'Cause there's a problem with that in that the television makes noise , so it could end up talking to itself and changing its channel . Okay um , and that's the end of the slide show . That's it . Cool . 1293.61 1299.63 1302.06 1306.38 1307.72 1309.31 1310.1 1310.28 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1304.464 1305.152 1304.85 1305.12 Mm . 1305.12 ES2014b C FEE055 2 1311.206 1312.765 1311.52 1312.765 Do a lot of um - ES2014b A MEE053 0 1311.261 1320.24 1311.57 1320.21 What was that last wee bit there ? Speech recognition , right okay . But that was only for young people that preferred it , older people didn't . 1314.85 1316.03 1316.74 1319.26 1320.21 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1313.216 1316.748 1313.4 1316.51 Um about speech recognition ? Yeah . 1316.2 1316.51 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1319.936 1331.632 1320.02 1331.6 Youn young people pref Yeah , they s they said that they'd be interested in a remote control which offered that possibility and as you go up through the age groups , people got less and less interested in sort of a a remote control that you could talk to , so . 1321.2 1326.89 1331.36 1331.6 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1332.208 1333.536 1332.23 1333.5 No what I maybe think is um - ES2014b B MEE054 1 1334.896 1339.872 1334.92 1339.84 it seems the technology would be quite advanced for that and they might end up costing more than our twelve fifty budget for - ES2014b D MEE056 3 1339.68 1340.976 1339.7 1340.94 Yeah . Yeah . 1340.75 1340.94 ES2014b A MEE053 0 1339.936 1341.84 1340.05 1340.85 Well that's right . 1340.85 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1340.227 1343.072 1340.37 1343.04 for the speech recognition . Um . 1342.61 1343.04 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1342.128 1342.368 1342.15 1342.33 Yeah . 1342.33 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1344.096 1360.88 1344.12 1360.83 And possibly the thing about the about the remote being lost we could have You know with your mobile phone , you lose that and you can ring it . Maybe we can have some kind of sensor which is kept somewhere where you can some kind of buzzer system between the two . So you can press a button which is always kept in one place and then it maybe buzzes to somewhere else , wherever the remote actually is . 1348.69 1349.73 1354.38 1359.71 1360.83 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1354.048 1354.464 1354.07 1354.4 Yeah . 1354.4 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1357.152 1357.568 1357.19 1357.49 Uh-huh . 1357.49 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1358.832 1359.152 1358.85 1359.12 Yeah . 1359.12 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1361.2 1367.744 1361.22 1367.744 Yeah , we'd have t that would mean we'd have to put two products together as well , which which again would probably be a bit expensive , but 1361.38 1364.65 1367.58 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1364.8 1365.937 1364.82 1365.82 That is true , yes . 1365.34 1365.82 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1366.597 1367.422 1367.02 1367.26 Hmm . 1367.26 ES2014b C FEE055 2 1367.856 1375.968 1367.88 1375.87 There's key rings um that you kind of whistle at or clap at , I can't remember , and then they whistle back , or something like that . That'd probably be really simple , they're cheap . 1371.01 1372.04 1372.94 1374.17 1375.28 1375.87 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1371.616 1372.112 1371.64 1371.98 Yeah . 1371.98 ES2014b A MEE053 0 1373.872 1374.976 1373.97 1374.84 Sounds reasonable . 1374.84 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1373.862 1374.549 1374.1 1374.35 Yeah . 1374.35 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1375.936 1376.38 1375.96 1376.24 Mm-hmm . 1376.24 ES2014b A MEE053 0 1376.096 1376.528 1376.12 1376.46 Mm-hmm . 1376.46 ES2014b A MEE053 0 1377.76 1379.691 1378.24 1379.691 Yeah . So 1379.05 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1378.099 1382.992 1378.24 1382.94 So I guess it'd be something we could like attach to the or like the same technology could be put inside the - ES2014b A MEE053 0 1382.992 1396.384 1383.67 1396.384 Well if you're trying to avoid having a second product 'cause obviously you could have a second product that gave you the right pitch which would set the remote off to say here I am sort of thing , you know without sound recognition . But if you 1391.82 1394.77 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1383.591 1384.608 1383.88 1384.57 inside the remote . 1384.57 ES2014b A MEE053 0 1398.24 1403.872 1398.3 1403.43 I know . Um I was gonna say a sharp noise , you know a clapping of hand or whatever . 1398.84 1401.74 1403.43 ES2014b A MEE053 0 1405.104 1411.261 1405.104 1411.261 You'd want to try and av just have the one product that if - ES2014b B MEE054 1 1408.992 1409.328 1409.01 1409.29 Yeah . 1409.29 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1412.272 1417.177 1412.29 1416.88 Yeah if we if we could have it in the actual remote like everything in one one device . 1416.88 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1412.643 1413.183 1412.8 1413.02 Mm-hmm . 1413.02 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1415.408 1415.728 1415.43 1415.69 Yeah . 1415.69 ES2014b A MEE053 0 1415.648 1435.904 1416.52 1435.904 Yeah . Um I dunno um talking about vo I mean obviously if you've got voice recognition then you can do it in that way because it'll recognise the voice and you can give it a command , a set command whatever that happened to be . But you've then got the point if if you're not going with uh voice recognition then 1417.39 1428.64 1431.57 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1430.816 1431.152 1430.84 1431.12 Yeah . 1431.12 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1435.824 1438.432 1435.824 1438.432 you could have an option to turn it off . Or 1437.95 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1435.84 1436.08 1435.86 1436.04 Mm-hmm . 1436.04 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1439.76 1441.296 1439.78 1441.25 Perhaps , um . 1440.68 1441.25 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1441.536 1442.192 1441.56 1442.07 Yeah . 1442.07 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1442.304 1446.233 1442.35 1446.14 So that would solve the problems with the T_V_ kind of speaking to the remote and changing its own channels . 1446.14 ES2014b A MEE053 0 1445.392 1452.736 1445.78 1452.7 Mm . So uh Any sugges Well , any conclusions ? 1447.21 1451.79 1452.7 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1452.928 1460.624 1453.02 1460.624 Um would it take quite a while to sort of develop the speech recognition software in the remote control ? Considering 1460.08 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1459.776 1460.016 1459.81 1459.98 Mm . 1459.98 ES2014b A MEE053 0 1459.733 1471.2 1460.24 1471.14 Well if it does then we can't . It's that simple , because we've got uh th th three um primary um uh requisites from uh 1462.63 1463.6 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1462.288 1462.528 1462.31 1462.49 Yeah . 1462.49 ES2014b A MEE053 0 1472.448 1499.658 1472.48 1499.52 from and email uh that was sent to me whereby we had The design logo was one , which we've already mentioned . We've got um the remote was only for the television and not for because that would make it too complex and we have to get it market quickly . And the uh third thing was that um teletext uh as far as uh the management is concerned , um is becoming dated uh due to the popularity of the internet . 1478.27 1480.11 1487.66 1494.96 1499.52 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1487.024 1487.312 1487.04 1487.28 Mm-hmm . 1487.28 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1499.577 1500.707 1500.0 1500.63 Okay . 1500.63 ES2014b A MEE053 0 1499.658 1539.984 1500.02 1539.9 So that means that uh so these are the sort of three um extra parameters that have been put on this uh project . So we're being focused effectively directly at a television and it seems to me that the management is uh wanting us to go down a narrow path and not opening out . So anything that uh is to be added , such as voice recognition et cetera has to be very simple and has to be very quick because time to market is is critical . S 1510.76 1523.12 1526.31 1538.12 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1499.763 1500.678 1500.1 1500.49 'Kay . 1500.49 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1510.16 1510.48 1510.18 1510.45 Mm-hmm . 1510.45 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1515.993 1516.743 1516.14 1516.55 Yes . 1516.55 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1528.736 1530.096 1528.76 1530.096 Has to be simple enough to - ES2014b B MEE054 1 1537.184 1544.144 1537.184 1544.11 I suppose if we could get something in which was quite quick and simple that would give us an advantage over the other remotes . Um . 1543.67 1544.11 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1537.536 1537.888 1537.58 1537.84 Mm-hmm . 1537.84 ES2014b A MEE053 0 1542.896 1549.424 1542.92 1549.2 It would . But probably quick and simple is primary rather than 1544.74 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1549.536 1550.576 1549.65 1550.45 'Kay . 1550.45 ES2014b A MEE053 0 1550.656 1573.424 1550.68 1573.03 added extras . Added extras would be nice , but the primary consideration is to get the project finished within uh this short time window , which effectively now is sort of four hours . So and if and we've gotta get to the end . Uh d d I think I think first and foremost we've gotta get to the end and then get to the end with um added extras if possible . 1551.46 1552.96 1559.42 1562.71 1566.58 1573.03 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1559.376 1559.632 1559.4 1559.6 Mm-hmm . 1559.6 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1573.2 1573.961 1573.33 1573.5 Mm-hmm . 1573.5 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1573.536 1573.872 1573.57 1573.82 Mm-hmm . 1573.82 ES2014b A MEE053 0 1574.848 1583.952 1574.89 1583.952 Okay . Right okay , uh so I need to 1578.87 1581.76 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1578.144 1578.94 1578.16 1578.94 So - ES2014b A MEE053 0 1586.674 1599.136 1587.04 1599.01 Right . So I don't know how long we have left of our uh time . But we have to make the decisions on uh the remote control functions 1587.74 1592.9 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1593.252 1594.468 1593.29 1594.29 About five minutes . 1594.29 ES2014b A MEE053 0 1600.16 1605.888 1600.18 1605.8 and how we were planning to proceed so that at the next uh meeting - ES2014b A MEE053 0 1607.056 1643.297 1607.08 1642.97 each person that's got a a a task to do is clear from this meeting what that task is . We'll also know w when the next meeting is I um so we'll know how long we've got to complete that task . And then we can report back at the next meeting and say right okay yes , we've achieved this or we haven't achieved this , this is how far we've progressed . Does that make reasonable sense ? So we have to come effectively to the decision on the remote functions so that you can decide what you're gonna be doing . 1615.8 1623.47 1626.23 1627.93 1630.45 1635.15 1642.97 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1610.536 1611.225 1610.72 1611.08 Yes . 1611.08 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1613.168 1613.472 1613.19 1613.44 Mm-hmm . 1613.44 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1615.773 1616.784 1615.79 1616.784 Um . 1616.48 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1630.241 1631.163 1630.54 1630.8 Mm-hmm . 1630.8 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1633.264 1634.687 1633.28 1634.28 Yes that seems right . 1634.28 ES2014b C FEE055 2 1633.76 1634.032 1633.78 1633.99 Yeah . 1633.99 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1633.659 1635.294 1633.88 1634.67 Okay , yeah . 1634.51 1634.67 ES2014b A MEE053 0 1643.297 1666.208 1643.88 1666.17 And if dur between the time of this meeting finishing and the next meeting starting , if you get any additional information that uh only you have at that point in time you'd think would be relevant to other people in terms of their des decision making um process , then we should communicate that as quickly as possible and not wait until the next meeting . 1649.2 1661.06 1666.17 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1654.357 1655.133 1654.5 1654.88 Mm-hmm . 1654.88 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1663.497 1664.176 1663.58 1663.78 Mm-hmm . 1663.78 ES2014b A MEE053 0 1666.208 1690.944 1666.27 1690.59 Do it via the email so that rather than coming you know If you get the information just before the next meeting that's fine . Come along with it in the next meeting , we can discuss it then and take whatever action is appropriate . But if you get it well before the next meeting , let everybody else know 'cause that might have an impact on their uh on what they come up with effectively at the next meeting . Okay . 1674.1 1675.21 1678.38 1680.44 1689.75 1690.59 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1666.96 1668.483 1667.04 1668.09 Okay . Yep . 1667.92 1668.09 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1676.251 1677.257 1676.67 1677.14 Okay . 1677.14 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1684.192 1684.464 1684.21 1684.43 Yeah . 1684.43 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1690.512 1690.816 1690.55 1690.76 Mm-hmm . 1690.76 ES2014b A MEE053 0 1692.0 1693.28 1692.14 1693.28 Right , is there 1692.36 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1693.776 1696.512 1693.94 1696.4 So do we need to decide on the functions now ? S 1696.31 ES2014b A MEE053 0 1696.787 1699.616 1696.91 1699.57 I would guess so . 1699.57 ES2014b C FEE055 2 1700.368 1711.504 1700.39 1711.46 Well I think it'd be really easy and it'd be a big advantage if we did have some sort of um kind of whistle back kind of function . 'Cause that'll solve kind of the frustration of losing it . 1708.85 1711.46 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1706.928 1707.296 1706.97 1707.24 Mm-hmm . 1707.24 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1708.432 1708.976 1708.45 1708.976 Yeah and - ES2014b D MEE056 3 1711.712 1715.072 1711.73 1715.04 Yeah and that was that was the number one sort of frustration that people said , so . 1714.78 1715.04 ES2014b A MEE053 0 1713.936 1715.061 1713.96 1714.99 Yep . 1714.99 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1716.24 1718.88 1716.26 1718.8 I don't think there's anything else on the market that does that , so . 1718.51 1718.8 ES2014b C FEE055 2 1718.928 1719.36 1719.0 1719.32 Yeah . 1719.32 ES2014b C FEE055 2 1720.944 1723.76 1720.96 1723.64 I don't really know about the voice recognition thing . 1723.64 ES2014b A MEE053 0 1725.44 1727.936 1725.46 1727.8 I w well uh i - ES2014b B MEE054 1 1728.064 1732.528 1728.18 1732.528 Maybe we should concentrate just on the whistle back function at the moment , and if something comes back 1731.01 ES2014b A MEE053 0 1730.336 1747.936 1730.36 1747.9 Something simple . Uh if if our primary consideration is to get it there in time , time's short , you want something to meet the major concerns of the consumer so that we can have that as a selling point for the product , something that's quick and simple . So , sounds good . 1731.32 1735.28 1736.54 1744.03 1746.64 1747.41 1747.9 ES2014b C FEE055 2 1739.936 1740.336 1740.04 1740.28 Mm-hmm . 1740.28 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1741.546 1742.392 1741.84 1742.24 Mm-hmm . 1742.24 ES2014b C FEE055 2 1746.256 1753.936 1746.28 1753.89 Yeah . And that wouldn't put off the kind of older generation either , 'cause everyone can whistle or clap , and they wouldn't have to be kind of scared of this new technology . 1747.18 1749.78 1751.51 1753.89 ES2014b A MEE053 0 1753.424 1780.384 1753.44 1780.19 Well , so maybe a clap rather than a whistle would be On the basis that if we've got if we're catering to the whole age range , you want something that's easy to do , now something that doesn't like whis uh Well I I I don't know . Well If you think that more people can whistle than clap then that's fine , then go for that option , but if I would have thought that more people could clap rather than whistle , so uh so clap option . 1754.29 1764.09 1765.65 1769.34 1772.35 1773.32 1777.02 1780.19 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1754.029 1754.994 1754.45 1754.8 Mm-hmm . 1754.8 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1766.625 1769.821 1766.88 1769.821 No not everyone can whistle , can they , though ? 1768.01 1768.32 1769.77 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1773.841 1777.641 1773.92 1777.21 No , clapping , I think clapping , yeah . Yeah . 1774.52 1775.05 1775.87 1776.82 1777.21 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1774.153 1776.779 1774.54 1776.6 I'd go more Yeah , f more for clap . 1775.5 1776.6 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1779.772 1780.626 1779.92 1780.38 Yeah . 1780.38 ES2014b A MEE053 0 1789.584 1790.778 1789.74 1790.26 Okay . 1790.26 ES2014b C FEE055 2 1790.544 1793.328 1790.56 1793.24 'Kay we've already decided that we don't need a teletext button , haven't we ? 1792.85 1793.24 ES2014b A MEE053 0 1794.144 1804.8 1794.2 1803.9 Uh . Ef effectively that's what the that's what they're saying , that uh if uh if people are now using the internet then you don't need teletext , so so take out teletext . 1795.45 1797.72 1801.13 1803.9 ES2014b C FEE055 2 1795.152 1795.904 1795.17 1795.904 Is that one of the - ES2014b C FEE055 2 1798.187 1798.544 1798.24 1798.51 Hmm . 1798.51 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1800.993 1803.224 1800.993 1802.95 Taking out teletext , okay . 1802.58 1802.95 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1804.72 1813.488 1804.74 1813.4 Did we decide on having the ten um the ten numbers and then the the little digit next to it which kind of enabled you to put them together . 1813.4 ES2014b C FEE055 2 1804.8 1805.574 1805.01 1805.37 Right . 1805.37 ES2014b C FEE055 2 1809.792 1811.696 1809.81 1811.66 Yeah , I think so , so zero to nine . 1810.11 1810.66 1811.66 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1812.176 1812.384 1812.2 1812.35 Mm . 1812.35 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1813.664 1823.024 1813.69 1822.97 I think nowadays you can just get ones where it gives you a sort of a second or two to press another number , so you can press any two and it'll sort of put them together . 1819.55 1822.97 ES2014b A MEE053 0 1819.44 1819.76 1819.49 1819.73 Yeah . 1819.73 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1823.36 1826.32 1823.4 1826.32 Okay , ten numbers and then some kind of device to allow uh 1823.65 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1826.576 1827.312 1826.78 1827.12 Yeah . 1827.12 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1827.92 1831.44 1827.94 1831.41 I'll put delay to allow um multiple numbers . 1831.41 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1829.792 1830.08 1829.81 1830.03 Yeah . 1830.03 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1832.673 1834.024 1832.89 1833.79 Or multiple digits . 1833.79 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1834.32 1834.528 1834.34 1834.49 Yeah . 1834.49 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1837.776 1848.128 1837.8 1848.07 Did we decide anything about um the other functions ? As in setting the audio and tuning it and stuff like that ? You had an had an idea about the menu ? 1841.65 1846.31 1848.07 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1848.389 1856.208 1848.69 1856.208 Uh we could possibly put an L_ a sort of a L_C_D_ menu in , but that again is probably an expense that 1852.78 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1856.176 1870.48 1856.33 1870.45 But just thinking um people probably I mean you don't have you only have to probably tune in the T_V_ once , but you have to be able to tune it that once . So and if finally the T_V_ breaks , you get a new one , you're gonna have to be able to tune it . You can't really avoid that . Except the new digital markets which do it by themselves . 1860.53 1862.84 1864.44 1864.93 1866.46 1867.94 1870.45 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1862.112 1862.448 1862.13 1862.41 Yeah . 1862.41 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1866.823 1867.502 1867.01 1867.24 Mm-hmm . 1867.24 ES2014b C FEE055 2 1867.552 1867.792 1867.57 1867.74 Hmm . 1867.74 ES2014b A MEE053 0 1867.608 1868.639 1867.74 1868.1 No . 1868.1 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1871.312 1871.648 1871.33 1871.61 Yeah . 1871.61 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1871.6 1873.154 1871.62 1873.154 So that'll be in - ES2014b A MEE053 0 1870.896 1907.584 1871.91 1907.53 But the but that's relying on the television market changing to an automatic and if it is at the moment , that's fine . But at the moment it's not , so it seems to me that you have to have a device that caters , 'cause otherwise it would make it uh your device would become inoperable , or only operable in certain circumstances and the idea is to have an international market which is And it's also m it's the the product we've got is something that's at the I would have said the lower end of the s of the cost scale , so we're not really going for something that's uh 1879.7 1880.54 1881.84 1885.0 1890.18 1904.75 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1876.581 1877.355 1876.65 1877.28 Yes . 1877.28 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1884.885 1885.725 1885.17 1885.51 Yeah . 1885.51 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1889.876 1890.662 1890.13 1890.41 Yeah . 1890.41 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1892.496 1893.386 1892.55 1893.34 Yeah yeah . 1893.34 ES2014b C FEE055 2 1893.296 1893.6 1893.42 1893.56 Mm . 1893.56 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1896.768 1897.136 1896.79 1897.1 Yeah . 1897.1 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1904.505 1905.266 1904.77 1905.01 Yeah . 1905.01 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1908.608 1910.3 1908.63 1909.92 I s I suppose um - ES2014b A MEE053 0 1909.424 1910.832 1909.44 1910.58 terribly high-tech . 1910.58 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1911.264 1927.12 1911.28 1927.12 if people are buying remotes , then they're probably buying it to replace another remote 'cause all most tellies come with remotes , so . I mean we're maybe talking about replacing remotes for slightly older televisions , so we maybe need to keep the the tuning function in . 1912.59 1917.81 1918.32 1922.49 1927.02 ES2014b A MEE053 0 1915.504 1916.736 1915.86 1916.41 Possibly . 1916.41 ES2014b A MEE053 0 1918.288 1918.816 1918.33 1918.77 That's right . 1918.77 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1926.56 1934.816 1926.58 1934.78 Yeah . So how would this menu function work ? Would you maybe have like one menu button , then you'd use the other buttons , maybe the number buttons to actually do the separate functions . 1927.24 1928.58 1930.52 1932.2 1934.78 ES2014b C FEE055 2 1927.04 1927.344 1927.06 1927.31 Yeah . 1927.31 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1934.944 1936.432 1935.0 1936.4 Yeah , that would be a good idea , yeah . 1935.36 1936.25 1936.4 ES2014b C FEE055 2 1935.328 1936.752 1935.35 1936.62 Yeah , like the volume or something . 1935.57 1936.62 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1936.74 1937.369 1936.89 1937.22 Okay . 1937.22 ES2014b C FEE055 2 1938.432 1947.2 1938.45 1947.14 Yeah , 'cause you do need um kind of brightness and contrast and everything as well . My dad was watching a film the other week and it was too dark , so I had to go through it and turn the brightness up . 1938.56 1941.93 1944.51 1947.14 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1942.032 1942.272 1942.05 1942.23 Mm-hmm . 1942.23 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1947.392 1966.928 1947.392 1966.89 we're gonna have the the individual numbers and then a menu function and maybe sort of a slightly more advanced um instruction booklet to come with it , to guide Presu uh I think it'd be quite hard just for people to grasp um just off like the menu use different buttons you maybe have to have like some better instructions of how that would actually work . 1955.99 1966.89 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1947.412 1948.039 1947.66 1947.83 Hmm . 1947.83 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1965.856 1966.272 1965.88 1966.272 Uh - ES2014b D MEE056 3 1967.328 1984.24 1967.35 1984.24 I'm not sure whether the sort of having people have a booklet 'cause one the second most annoying thing that people found was having to learn the new one . So maybe next to each of the buttons , you know each of them could have a number and then also a function written next to it , so you're basically pressing 1975.74 1978.47 1982.52 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1974.944 1976.352 1974.96 1976.17 Right , okay um . 1975.21 1976.17 ES2014b B MEE054 1 1984.832 1993.712 1984.832 1993.57 that also goes back to the original design when we saw those two , and there was the one on the left hand side which had all like the double functions and stuff which kind of looked too busy and had too much on it , so . 1987.56 1993.38 1993.57 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1992.704 1992.944 1992.72 1992.91 Right . 1992.91 ES2014b D MEE056 3 1994.608 1995.008 1994.63 1994.97 Okay . 1994.97 ES2014b C FEE055 2 1994.928 2007.568 1994.95 2007.43 Well , if we're trying to keep it slee sleek and sexy as well , have you seen those remotes where kind of um the bottom bit slides down , so there's kind of um everything else revealed ? So you don't use it that much , you don't have to see it all the time . But it's all there if you need it . 1995.67 1998.38 2001.54 2003.32 2004.36 2006.0 2007.43 ES2014b A MEE053 0 1994.128 1996.671 1995.11 1996.21 Okay , well . 1995.79 1996.21 ES2014b A MEE053 0 1998.751 1999.728 1998.87 1999.69 Mm . 1999.69 ES2014b D MEE056 3 2001.696 2001.984 2001.72 2001.95 Yeah . 2001.95 ES2014b A MEE053 0 2002.592 2031.616 2002.61 2031.57 So y Ah That's a very good idea . So you keep um Right we've got five minutes before we wind up this meeting , so I've been told . I don't know if you've got the same . Okay . So so keep um keep detailed functions um hidden at the back . 2010.16 2015.52 2016.69 2019.21 2020.21 2031.57 ES2014b B MEE054 1 2006.704 2010.016 2006.72 2009.95 That is that is a good idea actually . Sor sort of a second . 2008.62 2009.95 ES2014b D MEE056 3 2006.912 2008.336 2006.93 2008.3 Yeah , yeah . 2008.14 2008.3 ES2014b C FEE055 2 2011.407 2012.935 2011.8 2012.77 Like a hidden panel . 2012.77 ES2014b B MEE054 1 2016.52 2017.205 2016.61 2017.09 Okay . 2017.09 ES2014b B MEE054 1 2018.496 2020.437 2018.52 2020.0 Uh not quite , but I guess . 2019.08 2020.0 ES2014b B MEE054 1 2021.859 2024.112 2022.1 2024.07 Keep the other buttons but hide them away . 2024.07 ES2014b C FEE055 2 2032.128 2043.744 2032.24 2043.65 Hmm . And that'll be better for the older generation as well 'cause , well my dad doesn't like anything that you've got to kinda flick through a menu , but he can pretty much read a button if it's displayed properly . 2032.75 2036.02 2040.08 2043.65 ES2014b A MEE053 0 2037.568 2038.762 2037.68 2038.65 Ah . 2038.65 ES2014b D MEE056 3 2039.968 2040.256 2040.0 2040.22 Mm-hmm . 2040.22 ES2014b A MEE053 0 2042.032 2043.36 2042.09 2042.96 Mm-hmm . 2042.96 ES2014b B MEE054 1 2041.84 2042.512 2042.18 2042.512 So - ES2014b D MEE056 3 2042.192 2042.384 2042.21 2042.35 Yeah . 2042.35 ES2014b B MEE054 1 2044.0 2052.99 2044.02 2052.67 So um we're gonna have to have to work out what's gonna be on these other functions as as well . So we're gonna have like two separate two separate lists , I guess . 2049.63 2052.25 2052.67 ES2014b D MEE056 3 2049.529 2050.232 2049.78 2050.12 Yeah . 2050.12 ES2014b A MEE053 0 2050.768 2052.062 2050.79 2051.78 That's right . 2051.78 ES2014b D MEE056 3 2052.992 2053.424 2053.01 2053.34 Yeah . 2053.34 ES2014b A MEE053 0 2054.125 2058.832 2054.125 2058.68 data functions hidden at back . Can bring out when needed . 2056.42 2058.68 ES2014b D MEE056 3 2056.048 2057.149 2056.07 2057.149 So th the - ES2014b D MEE056 3 2058.608 2064.261 2058.63 2064.261 The detailed ones would be sort of brightness , uh sorta 2062.84 ES2014b C FEE055 2 2062.624 2063.598 2062.64 2063.06 Yeah . 2063.06 ES2014b A MEE053 0 2063.481 2070.829 2063.92 2070.71 That's right so we're dis So you've got which ones are gonna be on the front and which ones are gonna be on the back . We have to decide . 2069.36 2070.71 ES2014b B MEE054 1 2068.88 2070.021 2068.9 2069.66 So sh - ES2014b B MEE054 1 2070.928 2072.704 2070.95 2072.704 Should we decide in the next couple of minutes , and then 2072.23 ES2014b D MEE056 3 2070.961 2071.532 2071.13 2071.36 Mm-hmm . 2071.36 ES2014b D MEE056 3 2072.816 2073.056 2072.84 2073.01 Yeah . 2073.01 ES2014b A MEE053 0 2073.009 2074.272 2073.26 2074.23 I guess so . 2074.23 ES2014b B MEE054 1 2074.72 2075.648 2074.75 2075.648 So on the - ES2014b A MEE053 0 2076.496 2078.767 2076.54 2078.66 So on front , 2078.66 ES2014b B MEE054 1 2078.592 2080.741 2078.592 2080.37 about the number . 2080.37 ES2014b A MEE053 0 2080.975 2082.88 2081.27 2082.81 numbers , 2082.81 ES2014b B MEE054 1 2083.84 2086.112 2083.87 2086.08 Um the volume up and down . 2086.08 ES2014b C FEE055 2 2084.368 2085.136 2084.39 2085.1 And the volume ? 2085.1 ES2014b A MEE053 0 2085.179 2087.536 2085.179 2087.46 volume . 2087.46 ES2014b B MEE054 1 2087.776 2089.104 2087.8 2089.07 Shall we have a mute button as well ? 2089.07 ES2014b C FEE055 2 2087.863 2088.519 2087.91 2088.28 Um . 2088.28 ES2014b A MEE053 0 2089.664 2090.208 2089.75 2090.12 Sorry ? 2090.12 ES2014b B MEE054 1 2090.128 2091.152 2090.15 2091.12 A mute button as well . 2091.12 ES2014b C FEE055 2 2091.072 2091.472 2091.09 2091.44 Yeah . 2091.44 ES2014b A MEE053 0 2092.003 2093.056 2092.34 2092.98 Mm . 2092.98 ES2014b B MEE054 1 2093.152 2094.208 2093.17 2094.208 Yeah . Or 2093.66 ES2014b C FEE055 2 2093.317 2094.688 2093.54 2094.52 Yeah I think they're handy . 2094.52 ES2014b D MEE056 3 2094.752 2098.832 2094.78 2098.65 Mm-hmm . And probably a power one as well . Dunno . 2095.34 2098.03 2098.65 ES2014b C FEE055 2 2102.576 2104.064 2102.77 2104.01 I know it's probably like um - ES2014b C FEE055 2 2105.664 2122.928 2105.69 2122.89 not an issue to raise here , but um the whole thing about not using your standby uh because of the like waste of electricity . Have you seen the adverts ? Like if you boil the kettle that's full that's a waste . If you leave your telly on standby it powers Blackpool for a certain amount of time . Like we should maybe try to discourage people from standby . 2107.48 2113.51 2115.0 2116.79 2120.53 2122.89 ES2014b D MEE056 3 2115.184 2115.408 2115.21 2115.37 Mm-hmm . 2115.37 ES2014b D MEE056 3 2116.512 2116.768 2116.53 2116.73 Yeah . 2116.73 ES2014b A MEE053 0 2116.543 2117.632 2116.58 2117.43 Mm-hmm . 2117.43 ES2014b B MEE054 1 2123.056 2127.312 2123.08 2127.28 But then they might not buy it if they haven't got one . 'Cause people might just be too fickle and not want to change . 2125.15 2127.28 ES2014b D MEE056 3 2125.2 2125.568 2125.22 2125.53 Yeah . 2125.53 ES2014b C FEE055 2 2125.616 2131.877 2125.64 2131.68 Yeah , it's maybe too much of a big issue for here . Uh-oh danger sign . 2125.73 2130.65 2131.68 ES2014b D MEE056 3 2127.6 2130.213 2127.62 2130.213 Yeah . 2129.63 ES2014b A MEE053 0 2127.84 2132.88 2127.84 2132.79 So so are you having the stand-by on the front , then ? 2131.99 2132.79 ES2014b B MEE054 1 2128.136 2131.477 2128.33 2131.32 We can send out a flier with the device saying that you shouldn't leave it on stand-by . 2131.32 ES2014b B MEE054 1 2132.768 2133.68 2132.79 2133.64 I think you probably should . 2133.64 ES2014b C FEE055 2 2133.728 2140.8 2133.87 2140.44 Yeah , but a little bit smaller . Compromise . 2134.08 2136.82 2140.44 ES2014b D MEE056 3 2135.664 2138.749 2135.664 2138.6 Okay . 2138.6 ES2014b A MEE053 0 2137.728 2139.983 2137.75 2139.23 Well . 2139.23 ES2014b B MEE054 1 2139.056 2141.888 2139.08 2141.85 Um are we gonna have the channel up and down as well as the number buttons ? 2141.85 ES2014b D MEE056 3 2141.808 2150.016 2142.32 2149.21 Um 'cause yeah the market research said there is quite a lot of people do just zap around and flick , so . 2148.89 2149.21 ES2014b B MEE054 1 2148.176 2149.504 2148.2 2149.504 Okay , so we'll have um 2148.64 ES2014b C FEE055 2 2149.424 2149.824 2149.46 2149.63 Right . 2149.63 ES2014b B MEE054 1 2152.464 2156.256 2152.48 2156.22 So we've got ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen sixteen there ? 2156.22 ES2014b D MEE056 3 2157.152 2157.952 2157.54 2157.92 Um . 2157.92 ES2014b A MEE053 0 2157.824 2160.88 2157.88 2160.85 Channel up and down . What else have we got ? What was that , sixteen ? 2158.74 2160.0 2160.43 2160.85 ES2014b D MEE056 3 2160.64 2162.512 2160.66 2162.31 Numbers is ten , volume is 2161.67 ES2014b D MEE056 3 2164.032 2168.528 2164.05 2168.42 twelve , th Yeah si One up , one down . 2164.8 2167.96 2168.42 ES2014b A MEE053 0 2164.912 2166.992 2165.25 2166.94 Volume button . How many volumes ? 2166.08 2166.94 ES2014b A MEE053 0 2168.496 2170.045 2168.94 2169.88 Right okay . 2169.88 ES2014b C FEE055 2 2171.536 2172.288 2171.67 2172.21 On mute . 2172.21 ES2014b D MEE056 3 2172.608 2175.072 2173.1 2175.02 And a mute , yeah . That's sixteen isn't it , yeah . 2173.59 2173.95 2174.86 2175.02 ES2014b B MEE054 1 2175.072 2176.816 2175.11 2176.78 Is there anything else ? Um . 2176.27 2176.78 ES2014b D MEE056 3 2178.56 2179.68 2178.7 2179.64 I don't think so , no . 2179.38 2179.64 ES2014b A MEE053 0 2179.904 2185.696 2180.43 2185.29 Power button , stand-by , channel , up and down . So is that it ? 2180.95 2182.59 2183.06 2184.63 2185.29 ES2014b C FEE055 2 2185.562 2186.4 2185.562 2186.35 so . 2186.35 ES2014b A MEE053 0 2186.8 2191.664 2186.82 2191.62 Okay . That's sixteen buttons , you reckon . And then at the back ? 2187.84 2188.82 2190.02 2191.62 ES2014b D MEE056 3 2192.896 2193.504 2192.92 2193.41 You've got - ES2014b D MEE056 3 2194.512 2197.344 2194.53 2197.01 brightness and contrast . 2197.01 ES2014b B MEE054 1 2198.288 2204.8 2198.31 2204.74 Maybe if we're gonna run out of time , one of us should come up with a list of these and then get back at the next meeting just at the start and say what they're gonna be . 2199.59 2204.74 ES2014b C FEE055 2 2198.106 2199.068 2198.34 2199.068 And then - ES2014b A MEE053 0 2204.388 2206.72 2204.77 2206.67 Okay . So on the back 2205.72 ES2014b D MEE056 3 2205.28 2205.616 2205.3 2205.52 Yeah . 2205.52 ES2014b C FEE055 2 2205.473 2206.343 2205.74 2205.97 Mm-hmm . 2205.97 ES2014b A MEE053 0 2207.888 2215.728 2207.91 2215.49 it'll have brightness , contrast , anything else ? You're also gonna have the channel tuner , as it were . 2208.89 2210.55 2212.19 2214.52 2215.49 ES2014b C FEE055 2 2211.941 2214.115 2212.12 2213.88 Uh there's audio functions . 2213.88 ES2014b D MEE056 3 2214.705 2215.476 2214.82 2215.41 Yeah . 2215.41 ES2014b B MEE054 1 2215.264 2217.408 2215.28 2217.37 So tuner up and down , I guess . 2217.06 2217.37 ES2014b C FEE055 2 2218.064 2218.432 2218.08 2218.4 Yeah . 2218.4 ES2014b A MEE053 0 2218.896 2222.288 2219.72 2222.24 Tuner , would that have up and down ? . 2220.06 2222.24 2222.24 ES2014b B MEE054 1 2221.616 2226.133 2221.64 2225.64 Um up Tune one way , tune the o I I dunno I dunno possibly . 2223.81 2225.64 ES2014b C FEE055 2 2222.96 2224.361 2222.98 2223.92 I think they normally do . 2223.92 ES2014b A MEE053 0 2223.904 2227.184 2223.904 2227.13 okay . Okay . 2226.77 2227.13 ES2014b D MEE056 3 2224.816 2225.04 2224.84 2225.01 Yeah . 2225.01 ES2014b C FEE055 2 2225.328 2226.109 2225.35 2225.71 Yeah . 2225.71 ES2014b D MEE056 3 2228.768 2230.592 2228.79 2230.53 And then maybe sort of an enter button for - ES2014b D MEE056 3 2231.808 2243.584 2232.56 2243.53 sort of s you know , saying that you want that particular thing tuned in . So you go up and down and then it pick it finds something and then you wanna press enter to select it , yeah . 2233.67 2238.23 2243.33 2243.53 ES2014b B MEE054 1 2239.584 2242.496 2239.6 2242.45 Oh yeah and th and a enter button just to select . Yeah , okay . 2241.77 2242.14 2242.45 ES2014b B MEE054 1 2247.664 2254.361 2247.68 2254.26 Um I guess we're keeping s it simple . We don't really need any other audio funct uh functions because it's just volume up , volume down . 2250.0 2253.67 2254.26 ES2014b A MEE053 0 2253.339 2255.568 2253.85 2255.53 Um up volume , yeah , I would have thought so . 2254.6 2254.79 2255.53 ES2014b B MEE054 1 2255.488 2255.856 2255.51 2255.81 Um . 2255.81 ES2014b D MEE056 3 2256.064 2256.528 2256.09 2256.44 Yeah . 2256.44 ES2014b C FEE055 2 2257.06 2258.432 2257.39 2258.4 So I think um - ES2014b C FEE055 2 2260.128 2264.16 2260.15 2264.09 there's quite a lot of like Dolby surround studio , surround sort of things . 2262.69 2264.09 ES2014b D MEE056 3 2264.368 2264.832 2264.39 2264.76 Yeah . 2264.76 ES2014b A MEE053 0 2264.666 2265.475 2264.83 2265.11 Okay . 2265.11 ES2014b B MEE054 1 2264.752 2270.912 2264.83 2270.88 Do they have their own do they have their own controls on their actual products , then , or do you have to do it via the remote ? 2268.46 2268.86 2270.88 ES2014b C FEE055 2 2264.699 2267.116 2264.89 2266.98 Um maybe for the younger market . 2266.98 ES2014b C FEE055 2 2271.68 2275.488 2271.7 2275.37 Um I think they've got their own controls in this kind of like hidden panel . 2275.37 ES2014b B MEE054 1 2275.408 2279.248 2275.43 2279.21 Yeah I suppose if we've got their if they've got their own controls then we can avoid it for ours just to keep it simple . 2279.21 ES2014b A MEE053 0 2278.288 2279.92 2278.31 2279.83 Yeah . Yeah . 2279.5 2279.83 ES2014b C FEE055 2 2280.256 2291.6 2280.42 2291.43 Oh no , I mean um like there's kind of individual buttons for them , like on the T_V_ remote . But I don't really know what they're for , I've never used them . I just know they're something to do with Dolby . 2280.83 2284.1 2286.54 2287.54 2288.84 2291.43 ES2014b B MEE054 1 2283.424 2283.952 2283.44 2283.87 Oh , okay . 2283.51 2283.87 ES2014b B MEE054 1 2285.76 2286.144 2285.81 2286.03 Right . 2286.03 ES2014b D MEE056 3 2286.416 2286.624 2286.46 2286.59 Mm-hmm . 2286.59 ES2014b B MEE054 1 2288.736 2289.216 2288.76 2289.18 Um . 2289.18 ES2014b B MEE054 1 2290.208 2293.298 2290.28 2293.298 Maybe unless something comes up then we should I think - ES2014b A MEE053 0 2292.304 2296.512 2292.32 2296.512 Well you might get some research . 2295.69 ES2014b B MEE054 1 2296.656 2299.248 2296.68 2299.21 Well shall we look into that and just get back together . 2299.21 ES2014b A MEE053 0 2299.408 2313.584 2299.43 2313.17 Okay . Right so I'll do the minutes of uh this meeting . And we'll meet back at I'm not sure . Um forty minutes , I believe is the time . 2300.42 2304.6 2309.43 2310.83 2313.17 ES2014b D MEE056 3 2299.568 2300.542 2299.59 2300.16 Okay . 2300.16 ES2014b C FEE055 2 2300.24 2300.464 2300.3 2300.39 Right . 2300.39 ES2014b D MEE056 3 2300.944 2301.136 2300.96 2301.1 Right . 2301.1 ES2014b B MEE054 1 2313.088 2313.792 2313.11 2313.32 'Kay . 2313.32 ES2014b D MEE056 3 2314.512 2318.288 2314.98 2314.98 Okay . 2317.39 ES2014b A MEE053 0 2316.704 2317.584 2316.72 2317.31 Come on . 2317.31 ES2014c A MEE053 0 90.975 91.936 91.2 91.89 Okay . 91.89 ES2014c A MEE053 0 112.135 113.244 112.68 113.14 Right . 113.14 ES2014c A MEE053 0 117.92 126.976 118.01 126.976 Conceptual design meeting . Right . Okay , so 121.3 123.83 124.39 ES2014c A MEE053 0 128.736 142.208 129.18 141.84 Right well um from the last meeting I was trying to send you the minutes , but uh it didn't work out too well , so maybe in sort of um 135.78 137.91 ES2014c A MEE053 0 143.36 146.848 143.38 146.8 quick summary of the last uh meeting , I can 146.17 ES2014c A MEE053 0 148.064 149.504 148.12 149.46 quickly give you - ES2014c A MEE053 0 152.72 159.6 152.91 159.6 what we what we had . Uh right , so 155.62 159.21 ES2014c A MEE053 0 165.274 182.656 165.63 182.35 Wishing I hadn't closed the damn Right so we had the fact that we're gonna have the the logo uh the company logo in its uh colour scheme incorporated onto the the device the remote device . We had uh made our decisions about uh 178.58 ES2014c A MEE053 0 183.808 186.816 184.69 186.6 made our decisions about uh - ES2014c A MEE053 0 189.952 192.976 189.98 192.78 the device itself , that it was gonna be simple to make it uh 190.66 ES2014c A MEE053 0 193.968 210.752 194.02 209.93 enable us to complete the project in time . We're gonna have uh effectively two pages , a front page which had the uh features that the uh the customers most wanted , and then the uh the backup features on the second page so that it could uh 196.27 199.46 204.7 ES2014c A MEE053 0 212.768 220.512 212.8 220.38 meet the technical requirements . And the customers wouldn't have to look at them too often , only as and when required . So . 215.06 217.66 219.85 220.38 ES2014c A MEE053 0 224.064 231.536 224.08 231.45 So basically what decisions uh have we uh made ? Uh have there been any uh changes ? 229.3 231.45 ES2014c B MEE054 1 232.016 235.36 232.04 235.32 I think we all have a presentation again , so if we go through those and then um 233.63 ES2014c A MEE053 0 233.407 234.352 233.87 234.23 Right . 234.23 ES2014c D MEE056 3 234.272 234.512 234.29 234.48 Yeah . 234.48 ES2014c A MEE053 0 235.52 241.102 235.56 240.37 Three presentation , yeah . So Yeah , fine . 236.58 237.38 239.49 240.37 ES2014c B MEE054 1 235.799 240.337 235.799 240.337 . Shall I go first again ? 235.799 240.07 ES2014c D MEE056 3 239.565 240.35 239.78 240.01 Okay . 240.01 ES2014c B MEE054 1 249.152 252.288 249.18 252.14 I see this a little more smoothly than the last one . 252.14 ES2014c B MEE054 1 287.985 290.064 288.06 289.95 Okay right , let's get started . Um 288.43 289.3 ES2014c B MEE054 1 293.344 297.12 293.36 296.97 basically the uh for the Um I'll back actually . 296.97 ES2014c B MEE054 1 298.544 330.17 298.56 330.07 For the components design , um next step is basically the the way the remote's gonna work is still the same idea as before . We still have the user interface which is all the buttons we're gonna incorporate . Then there is a chip and still the sender . So um yes including the power s supply as well . Um I'll go on to my findings in each of these areas . Uh first in the power supply , we have the option of just the standard battery , 300.11 306.77 311.81 316.07 320.45 325.1 327.14 330.07 ES2014c B MEE054 1 330.832 352.773 330.85 352.65 um . There's a dynamo . Any of you think of kind of like the the old torches which you wind up um . There's a kinetic option , which if any of you've seen those new watches which you kind of you power up by waving around , um it just requires a small amount of movement which would mean the batteries wouldn't have to be replaced . 333.25 335.4 342.01 344.42 348.96 352.65 ES2014c B MEE054 1 353.44 392.88 353.49 392.85 Um that's one option , but I think that was gonna cost a little more . And then there's solar cells . Um as a final option . For the buttons , we have um an integrated push button , which is Oh just to say all all these are um supplied by Real Reaction . So I guess for the ease of for quickness and ease we should take them from at least like one of these options . Um so for the buttons there's an integrated push button , which I guess is just the same as the standard ones . This says it's uh similar to uh the button on the mouse for a normal for like uh like modern computer . Um there's a scroll wheel 354.59 356.43 358.42 361.41 362.87 366.27 370.99 377.04 380.88 383.24 391.21 ES2014c D MEE056 3 353.698 354.521 353.93 354.26 Mm-hmm . 354.26 ES2014c A MEE053 0 376.641 377.792 377.07 377.66 Okay . 377.66 ES2014c B MEE054 1 393.872 415.471 393.89 415.33 which is you know the new mouse has just got like the centre section which you can scroll up and down , which may be for the volume . You could do do that . Um one issue for the buttons is , depending on which material we use , if we use rubber buttons then it requires a rubber case , so we have to take that into consideration . Um moving on to the printed s 398.34 399.47 402.64 405.81 407.49 410.77 413.06 ES2014c A MEE053 0 399.616 400.688 399.65 400.16 Mm-hmm . 400.16 ES2014c D MEE056 3 400.272 400.592 400.32 400.56 Mm-hmm . 400.56 ES2014c A MEE053 0 414.336 417.104 414.53 416.68 What would be the cost do do we know ? 416.68 ES2014c B MEE054 1 417.024 455.976 417.04 455.9 Um that's on the next I th I think the there wasn't too much difference in the cost , that that related to the actual buttons , but it does affect the printed circuit board . Um which is the next section . Basically for the circuit board which is the middle , it's just see it down there the chips like the like the workings of the actual um of the remote . The firm supplies a simple , a regular and an advanced um circuit board . And there's different prices according to each . So if we've got the scroll wheel for one of the buttons , that would require a slightly more advanced circuit board than if we just had a standard um push button . 423.05 424.87 427.08 429.18 432.03 438.42 440.92 444.39 446.41 449.45 455.9 ES2014c A MEE053 0 433.68 434.848 434.33 434.81 Mm-hmm . 434.81 ES2014c A MEE053 0 451.888 453.136 452.26 452.95 Mm-hmm . 452.95 ES2014c B MEE054 1 457.008 506.048 457.03 505.97 Um one final thing we came up with was some information on the speech recognition . There's a small unit available through the company um which obviously would be an extra cost , but it wouldn't affect the size of the remote too much . Um and I guess that would require a more advanced circuit board , so there is an extra price in that sense . There is th sorry an extra cost in that sense . Um going to my personal preferences , um I thought possibly for power we could use kinetic um which is the idea of the watches um that you move you move the remote around to power it up . And this would avoid batteries running out , having to replace batteries and such like . Um for the buttons , I thought we'd probably get away with just having the standard um push buttons rather than the scroll wheel . 461.3 467.56 470.18 474.37 476.58 479.0 481.1 492.66 495.01 497.82 500.83 505.97 ES2014c B MEE054 1 507.184 522.197 507.22 521.93 Um and for the circuit board , again depends on which features we want in the actual in the remote . So if we wanted the scroll wheel and wanted the voice recognition , um then we'd have to get a a more costly circuit board . And that's it . 509.9 513.9 516.92 521.56 521.93 ES2014c D MEE056 3 526.496 527.6 527.33 527.57 'Kay . 527.57 ES2014c A MEE053 0 530.547 535.171 530.547 535.171 with the printed circuit boards you were going for the - ES2014c C FEE055 2 530.863 532.919 531.11 532.919 Thanks . 532.68 ES2014c B MEE054 1 535.344 545.842 535.47 545.75 Um i it kind of depends um if we're gonna have the speech recognition , we'd have to probably get an advanced one . I'm guessing . Uh but I don't know , so that is something I'll have to look into . 539.83 542.1 543.15 544.07 545.75 ES2014c A MEE053 0 542.688 543.312 542.84 543.25 Mm-hmm . 543.25 ES2014c A MEE053 0 544.944 546.704 544.97 546.67 But are we going f R right . 546.67 ES2014c B MEE054 1 546.396 549.312 546.5 549.28 Um that's a that's a decision for all of us . Um . 548.75 549.28 ES2014c A MEE053 0 550.229 572.72 550.66 572.62 So are we able to make that decision now in a sense that this is the point at which we're discussing that issue , so would it not be best to rather than I mean one way is to do each of the presentations and then make decisions going back to the various presentations as they were . The other way would be to do the presentation and then make the decision at that point in time . 557.49 568.24 572.62 ES2014c B MEE054 1 551.942 553.068 552.06 552.99 Yeah yeah . 552.99 ES2014c B MEE054 1 555.889 558.249 556.16 557.84 We decide . Yeah . 557.63 557.84 ES2014c D MEE056 3 556.0 556.868 556.27 556.52 Mm-hmm . 556.52 ES2014c D MEE056 3 569.611 570.3 569.77 570.18 Mm-hmm . 570.18 ES2014c B MEE054 1 572.816 574.336 572.84 574.29 Um . Maybe w 573.89 ES2014c C FEE055 2 573.304 576.266 573.88 576.16 Yeah , that's probably a better one , to discuss it straight away . 574.06 575.0 576.16 ES2014c A MEE053 0 575.948 595.328 576.79 595.29 'Cause at that point then you've got the details up there , so if we wanted to know for instance that the scroll wheel required the regular and what required advance . Then if we were able to see that down then we could make the decision at that point in time and then that would be the end of that issue . Does that make sense ? 579.24 586.96 593.34 595.29 ES2014c B MEE054 1 587.577 588.44 587.85 588.28 Um . 588.28 ES2014c B MEE054 1 593.322 594.272 593.52 594.08 Yes . 594.08 ES2014c C FEE055 2 595.296 598.848 595.296 598.79 Um I have a lot of the information there . It might not be very clear . 597.84 598.79 ES2014c D MEE056 3 595.714 596.544 595.9 596.37 Mm-hmm . 596.37 ES2014c B MEE054 1 601.6 602.528 601.73 602.528 Is there - ES2014c C FEE055 2 602.144 603.887 602.16 603.7 Unless you want to plug it back in to yours . 603.7 ES2014c B MEE054 1 604.32 605.152 604.34 605.12 Um . 605.12 ES2014c B MEE054 1 605.858 610.24 606.17 610.1 We could do , yeah . Um yeah we should . 606.58 607.49 610.1 ES2014c B MEE054 1 618.8 627.724 618.82 627.54 As I say it only specified that we need a more advanced circuit board for the scroll wheel , it didn't The voice recognition came as a separate piece of information . Um . 622.84 627.04 627.54 ES2014c A MEE053 0 623.099 624.032 623.12 623.89 Mm-hmm . 623.89 ES2014c A MEE053 0 625.648 629.776 627.23 629.776 No the scroll wheel required the regular , so the 629.17 ES2014c B MEE054 1 629.696 631.472 629.72 631.43 Yeah if if you down um . 631.43 ES2014c A MEE053 0 631.648 632.848 631.68 632.51 Hmm . 632.51 ES2014c B MEE054 1 632.768 640.048 632.8 639.86 It's just this bit at the bottom which I've highlighted , but the scroll wheel requires a mini m minimally a regular chip , which is in the higher price range . 634.44 638.61 639.86 ES2014c A MEE053 0 640.544 649.712 640.59 649.63 Okay . The display requires an advanced chip the display requires an advanced chip which in turn is more expense . 642.37 649.63 ES2014c C FEE055 2 642.208 644.602 642.23 644.602 I think the scroll wheel um - ES2014c B MEE054 1 647.088 651.472 647.11 651.472 Also the display's for something else which we decided against . Um but that bit 649.92 ES2014c A MEE053 0 653.191 654.208 653.52 653.98 Okay . 653.98 ES2014c B MEE054 1 655.2 660.382 655.22 660.28 And note that the push button just requires a simple chip , so that would keep the price down . 658.06 660.28 ES2014c A MEE053 0 659.367 660.292 659.73 660.17 Down . 660.17 ES2014c C FEE055 2 660.656 671.408 660.68 671.3 Yeah , and if we're going for sleek and sexy , I think a scroll wheel is maybe a bit kinda bulky ? I I've got um pictures well I've seen pictures with it kind of sticking off the side of it , and they don't really look great . 660.8 662.59 666.05 670.26 671.3 ES2014c D MEE056 3 660.901 661.611 661.03 661.57 Mm-hmm . 661.57 ES2014c A MEE053 0 669.568 673.216 670.34 673.04 Right . Okay . 672.3 673.04 ES2014c B MEE054 1 671.808 672.08 671.83 672.04 'Kay . 672.04 ES2014c B MEE054 1 672.54 676.347 672.62 676.347 So maybe just a simple push button , and that would cut costs on the 674.05 ES2014c A MEE053 0 674.608 684.64 674.64 684.64 So . So we're going for p Okay . So is um 675.72 679.56 ES2014c D MEE056 3 690.032 693.04 690.05 692.96 So are we going for the w are we going for the simple one , are we ? 692.76 692.96 ES2014c C FEE055 2 693.168 695.825 693.19 695.77 Yeah , a simple pushbuttons . 693.53 695.77 ES2014c D MEE056 3 694.16 694.48 694.18 694.45 Okay . 694.45 ES2014c A MEE053 0 693.632 697.076 694.45 697.076 Simple push button . 696.94 ES2014c B MEE054 1 695.648 702.562 695.648 702.47 Did everyone get this on the speech recognition ? The um it was basically what we said before , the idea that you record in a set 698.63 700.58 ES2014c B MEE054 1 703.104 721.168 703.12 721.168 message , and then it picks up that message um and replies to you . So it is basically the concept we discussed before . Um but then we don't know for sure whether it would require a more complicated circuit board . I'm guessing it would , but got like the definite information . Maybe we should go on what we're certain of rather than 703.64 707.72 710.54 716.3 717.02 719.25 ES2014c A MEE053 0 705.377 706.016 705.6 705.98 Mm-hmm . 705.98 ES2014c D MEE056 3 705.646 706.536 705.86 706.25 Yeah . 706.25 ES2014c A MEE053 0 720.988 728.906 721.88 728.73 So if we go for the simple push button , so effectively we're going for the simple printed circuit board are we ? Or are we going for the regular ? 723.91 726.62 728.73 ES2014c B MEE054 1 729.904 732.907 729.92 732.8 Um if it's just the push button then it just needs the simple circuit board . 732.8 ES2014c A MEE053 0 732.656 756.896 732.69 756.59 Mm-mm . But is there any other I mean okay , that's true for the for for that element , but we have to take all el elements into consideration . And so if there is one element that requires the more expensive one , or say the regular one , or the more advanced , then that would have to be the same for all of them . S 733.75 738.03 741.28 745.86 750.79 752.69 753.5 756.19 ES2014c D MEE056 3 752.736 753.389 752.85 753.1 Mm . 753.1 ES2014c C FEE055 2 755.808 757.991 755.83 757.991 Hmm . But 757.37 ES2014c D MEE056 3 756.96 763.088 756.98 763.05 I suppose we need we need to find out what circuit board that requires , maybe before we m make a decision . 761.09 763.05 ES2014c C FEE055 2 763.535 777.481 763.95 777.4 But the way that I interpret that um it doesn't seem to send out a signal to the telly , it just it's like a parrot just rep reply replying to your message . So I don't think it would effect our circuit board . 768.73 774.38 777.4 ES2014c A MEE053 0 763.768 764.8 764.04 764.72 Right . 764.72 ES2014c D MEE056 3 771.936 773.819 771.99 773.5 Oh yeah , I suppose so , yeah . 772.75 773.31 773.5 ES2014c A MEE053 0 772.256 772.768 772.3 772.72 Mm-hmm . 772.72 ES2014c B MEE054 1 773.456 775.636 773.48 775.25 So maybe that would be something separate , yeah . 774.98 775.25 ES2014c D MEE056 3 776.032 776.224 776.05 776.19 Yeah . 776.19 ES2014c A MEE053 0 776.19 776.96 776.53 776.92 No . 776.92 ES2014c B MEE054 1 776.88 782.105 776.9 781.97 Okay , so we'd have a simple circuit board and that would be an extra that would be in addition to it . Oh that makes sense . 777.3 781.15 781.97 ES2014c C FEE055 2 780.176 796.128 780.2 796.09 Yeah . And I don't think you could really perform any of the remote functions with it . 'Cause the example that they've given there is good morning coffee machine , good morning Jo . It might be useful to say like where are you remote . Here I am , Jo . But I think that's maybe as far as that one could go ? 781.05 784.38 787.35 788.71 791.02 792.23 793.21 796.09 ES2014c D MEE056 3 780.752 780.992 780.77 780.96 Yeah . 780.96 ES2014c A MEE053 0 787.808 788.832 788.06 788.79 Mm-mm . 788.79 ES2014c B MEE054 1 790.992 791.296 791.01 791.26 Okay . 791.26 ES2014c D MEE056 3 791.872 795.168 791.872 795.168 Yeah . 795.06 ES2014c A MEE053 0 796.511 797.136 796.53 797.1 Okay . 797.1 ES2014c D MEE056 3 797.424 797.945 797.44 797.62 Yeah . 797.62 ES2014c B MEE054 1 797.376 803.004 797.94 802.45 Yeah that makes sense , so we'd stick with the simple circuit board and then think of the speech recognition as an extra 798.7 ES2014c B MEE054 1 803.376 804.929 803.56 804.65 an extra possibility . 804.65 ES2014c C FEE055 2 803.616 805.168 803.64 805.0 Yeah , just as a fun way to find it . 803.83 805.0 ES2014c A MEE053 0 805.408 811.088 805.408 811.04 Simple circuit board . Simple push button . 809.83 811.04 ES2014c B MEE054 1 805.392 806.812 805.41 806.75 Okay . Um . 806.08 806.75 ES2014c A MEE053 0 814.208 820.576 814.23 820.47 Okay . W w kinetic . You were you were wanting to go for the kinetic power supply . 816.1 817.32 820.47 ES2014c C FEE055 2 815.775 819.349 816.1 819.21 And it says that I think it said the cost of that isn't too much . 819.21 ES2014c B MEE054 1 820.8 825.488 820.82 825.45 Um yeah I I thought so just for just for ease of not having to replace the batteries . 825.45 ES2014c A MEE053 0 825.504 829.792 825.79 829.57 Mm-hmm . And how does it get uh charged up ? 827.56 829.57 ES2014c D MEE056 3 826.128 826.384 826.16 826.35 Mm-hmm . 826.35 ES2014c B MEE054 1 826.784 827.408 826.91 827.37 Um . 827.37 ES2014c B MEE054 1 830.064 846.608 830.08 846.52 It's um I think it works on the basis they have some kind of ball bearings inside . It's um it's some on watches which you you kind of you shake to power it up . Somehow the mechanism inside powers up through movement . So you'd you'd move the remote around a little bit and then that powers it up to use it . 834.7 840.15 843.38 846.52 ES2014c D MEE056 3 840.283 841.08 840.37 840.73 Mm-hmm . 840.73 ES2014c A MEE053 0 842.976 843.853 843.29 843.81 Okay . 843.81 ES2014c A MEE053 0 846.784 854.16 846.8 854.16 Okay . So the speech recognition was Are we going for speech recognition ? No ? 'Cause that required the advanced 847.61 851.95 852.27 ES2014c D MEE056 3 846.887 847.576 847.11 847.39 Yeah . 847.39 ES2014c C FEE055 2 854.304 859.264 854.32 859.264 Um I think it would be helpful to find it , but I don't think it'd um 856.69 ES2014c D MEE056 3 856.541 857.251 856.72 857.251 Just - ES2014c B MEE054 1 858.192 861.644 858.21 861.644 Uh yeah I think did we decide it didn't affect the circuit board , it just affected 860.69 ES2014c C FEE055 2 861.712 862.838 861.73 862.65 Yeah , I think so . 861.87 862.65 ES2014c D MEE056 3 861.778 865.091 861.86 864.95 Just just for the call and find thing . 864.95 ES2014c B MEE054 1 862.199 863.053 862.41 863.053 It was just - ES2014c A MEE053 0 863.653 867.792 863.8 867.76 I had speech recognition requires advanced req require - ES2014c B MEE054 1 866.976 869.888 867.1 869.74 Oh no th that's what that's what I thought , but maybe maybe it doesn't . 868.57 869.74 ES2014c B MEE054 1 870.265 871.728 870.44 871.64 Um I think I might have got that wrong . 871.64 ES2014c A MEE053 0 869.808 884.56 870.55 884.56 Oh . So okay . Speech recognition you reckon then is s simple . And so we would want it in as an extra because it doesn't appear to cost too much . Would that be 871.86 873.53 879.58 883.88 ES2014c D MEE056 3 871.824 874.373 871.84 874.373 'Cause it's s it's separate isn't it , it's not part of the 873.09 ES2014c B MEE054 1 876.704 879.264 876.72 879.23 It's it's just an addition thing it's um yeah . 879.23 ES2014c B MEE054 1 883.782 884.494 883.94 884.33 'Kay . 884.33 ES2014c C FEE055 2 883.72 884.653 883.94 884.18 Mm-hmm . 884.18 ES2014c D MEE056 3 884.196 884.922 884.37 884.61 Mm-hmm . 884.61 ES2014c B MEE054 1 888.288 889.536 888.34 889.49 'Kay shall I pass on to you now ? 889.49 ES2014c C FEE055 2 888.691 889.688 888.97 889.688 I think - ES2014c A MEE053 0 891.936 894.88 892.3 894.76 In fact , it wouldn't really cost anymore , would it ? 892.59 893.77 894.76 ES2014c C FEE055 2 894.324 897.284 894.63 896.59 I'll just just check what it said . 896.59 ES2014c C FEE055 2 900.352 907.072 900.72 907.01 Actually I don't think it really says anything about the cost , but it says that it's already in the coffee machines , so 903.35 906.58 ES2014c D MEE056 3 908.096 908.464 908.12 908.43 Yeah . 908.43 ES2014c C FEE055 2 908.24 909.692 908.26 909.692 like it's already kind of - ES2014c B MEE054 1 909.264 910.976 909.28 910.976 I assume it would cost extra , but 910.7 ES2014c B MEE054 1 911.984 916.022 912.0 915.94 Maybe we maybe we'll find out how much that does cost and have to decide slightly later . 915.94 ES2014c A MEE053 0 914.336 920.032 914.336 919.79 And then have to change all change everything at the last minute . 919.79 ES2014c A MEE053 0 921.648 924.016 921.73 923.96 Okay . S 922.63 ES2014c C FEE055 2 922.324 923.377 922.56 923.34 Um . 923.34 ES2014c C FEE055 2 929.504 936.496 929.504 936.22 Oh , that was quick . Um okay , so very brief presentation , um . 930.89 932.24 933.89 935.78 936.22 ES2014c C FEE055 2 938.304 957.392 938.34 957.36 From looking at the remotes that are out there at the minute , none of them are particularly um sleek and sexy . Um I haven't actually got the examples of the scroll button there , um but there's some curved cases that you can see , uh a range of sizes uh . All of them have a lot of buttons there um they seem to just have the rubber buttons . 940.36 943.95 947.7 951.0 952.94 957.36 ES2014c C FEE055 2 958.498 959.61 958.83 959.44 Does that move it ? 959.44 ES2014c A MEE053 0 960.304 960.992 960.5 960.88 Sorry ? 960.88 ES2014c C FEE055 2 961.072 964.953 961.21 964.953 It just seems to be skipping on without us doing anything . 964.05 ES2014c A MEE053 0 962.304 966.544 962.33 966.23 Yeah , I've found that try and get it back . 962.75 966.23 ES2014c B MEE054 1 965.68 967.856 965.72 967.82 If you right click and then go onto a previous slide . 967.82 ES2014c C FEE055 2 968.304 979.936 968.32 979.9 Ah it's alright . Um . There wasn't much more to say about that , just rambling . Um some of the uh remotes that I looked at , one of the models da did actually have voice recognition where you could um 968.94 969.24 970.84 972.85 975.95 ES2014c B MEE054 1 968.942 971.212 968.96 971.15 Okay , right . 970.68 971.15 ES2014c C FEE055 2 980.976 996.848 981.0 996.72 where it was connected to the remote control functions . And uh it was quite uh a swish model , where it can control uh four devices , T_V_ , cable , satellite , video , D_V_D_ , audio . Um so that's a bit of competition there . So 983.7 986.61 989.28 989.75 990.06 990.72 991.53 992.25 993.42 996.16 ES2014c C FEE055 2 997.856 1003.587 997.88 1003.52 I mean maybe it's better not to try and compete with that sort of thing and just to market it as a completely different um - ES2014c C FEE055 2 1004.512 1015.264 1004.61 1015.11 like different viewpoint as a kind of finding your lost control rather than trying to compete with the functions . Um the scroll buttons , as you've already mentioned , um 1011.09 1013.04 1014.13 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1005.936 1006.672 1005.96 1006.64 Yeah , yeah . 1006.45 1006.64 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1016.272 1028.767 1016.29 1028.767 there's examples of those , but they don't look as sleek as other models . And there's no real advantage and because it impacts on other on the materials and the price it's not great . Um 1017.42 1020.54 1028.29 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1024.976 1025.934 1025.0 1025.83 On the price , yeah . 1025.6 1025.83 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1027.952 1030.076 1028.06 1030.076 So you were saying the scroll buttons - ES2014c C FEE055 2 1030.368 1035.2 1030.39 1035.08 Yeah . Th there was a specialist type of remote that we could think about , um . 1030.93 1034.6 1035.08 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1036.592 1048.576 1036.88 1048.54 There was children's remote , where um they just had a very limited range of buttons and they were b uh bright and colourful and um you you could program them so that they could only look at certain channels . 1038.19 1048.54 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1048.912 1049.2 1048.93 1049.17 'Kay . 1049.17 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1049.12 1049.823 1049.15 1049.73 Mm-hmm . 1049.73 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1049.968 1053.488 1049.99 1053.44 Um but I don't know if that's really in our field ? But that's something that's out there . 1051.92 1053.44 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1052.336 1055.924 1052.36 1055.924 I guess I guess we're going for the biggest market , maybe not , but 1054.44 1055.02 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1056.768 1058.88 1056.79 1058.85 Was it was it specified that we went for the biggest ? 1058.85 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1058.08 1088.656 1059.16 1088.656 Well we're to go for the international market rather than a local market but that that wouldn't necessarily preclude The one thing that you can often do with products is you can uh make small modifications . So you have your basic model which you would sell at whatever , and then you could have additional features in you know like a You'd have model one , model two and model three , and therefore you can sub-divide your market up . But that's really where your field is . 1071.76 1075.95 1081.17 1082.29 1084.96 1088.3 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1062.736 1062.944 1062.76 1062.91 Hmm . 1062.91 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1086.472 1087.254 1086.69 1086.94 Mm-hmm . 1086.94 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1087.725 1093.085 1088.1 1093.085 So maybe the children's remote should be like a a next step , but maybe I dunno for ours , maybe we should 1090.6 1091.97 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1092.08 1111.552 1092.11 1111.44 Anyway you could add on for an extra package , but on this basic one I'm reckoning that we're going for the basic model to be discussed here and that uh you would have for future reference the possibility of adding in extra features at extra cost to take care of specialist market segments . 1094.22 1111.44 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1106.48 1106.8 1106.5 1106.75 Hmm . 1106.75 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1107.664 1108.334 1107.68 1108.15 Mm-hmm . 1108.15 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1110.717 1111.346 1110.85 1111.08 Mm-hmm . 1111.08 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1111.584 1116.311 1111.6 1116.14 Okay . Right well that's something that we can be aware of . 1112.99 1116.14 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1113.072 1118.873 1113.09 1118.46 Is that So so what are we deciding to do here ? 1118.46 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1117.936 1118.594 1117.96 1118.46 Um . 1118.46 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1119.472 1133.2 1119.49 1133.01 I think because there's already um very good voice recognition technology out there , and because ours might not cover the same functions that the leading brands do , it might be a good idea to market it as a um finder function . 1124.89 1129.0 1133.01 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1124.864 1125.616 1124.88 1125.39 Right . 1125.39 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1129.04 1129.84 1129.08 1129.62 Mm-hmm . 1129.62 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1133.376 1139.92 1133.63 1139.87 Uh the fi Yeah , the finder function rather than as a speech function to find your remote . Okay . 1134.51 1139.07 1139.87 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1136.937 1137.607 1137.06 1137.46 Yeah . 1137.46 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1138.32 1138.752 1138.38 1138.63 Yeah . 1138.63 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1138.896 1146.481 1139.06 1146.21 So you also said for going for the international market um that some some maybe older people might not like the speech recognition . 1146.21 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1146.784 1147.28 1146.8 1147.24 Oh yeah . 1147.24 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1146.851 1148.288 1146.88 1148.288 S s so um - ES2014c C FEE055 2 1147.826 1150.56 1148.05 1150.49 Different languages might not be compatible . 1150.49 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1149.36 1156.556 1149.38 1156.556 Yeah , yeah . It w it would make it quite complicated , where um ours at least keeps it fairly simple and then the 1149.8 1150.68 1153.03 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1152.574 1153.536 1152.65 1153.32 Hmm . 1153.32 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1155.555 1156.376 1155.94 1156.16 Hmm . 1156.16 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1156.864 1157.216 1156.9 1157.15 Mm-hmm . 1157.15 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1157.984 1164.576 1158.06 1164.54 Yeah , 'cause I think you program um this one yourself , like to say like whatever you want to your question . 1158.35 1161.7 1164.54 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1162.608 1163.733 1162.63 1163.52 Yeah , yeah . 1163.04 1163.52 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1166.256 1170.336 1166.28 1170.3 Yeah and ours is quite a cheap device , so I don't know how much we'll be able to put into it . 1168.04 1170.3 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1170.72 1171.104 1170.74 1171.07 Yeah . 1171.07 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1171.346 1172.493 1171.79 1172.26 Yeah . 1172.26 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1171.584 1177.888 1171.9 1177.83 So you'd have a finder feature rather than a voice recognition feature . And you were talking 1177.2 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1175.566 1178.752 1176.01 1178.51 Hmm . Maybe unless something else comes up . 1176.75 1178.51 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1178.96 1181.568 1179.02 1181.45 Mm . And you were talking about scroll buttons ? 1179.32 1181.45 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1181.536 1192.176 1181.69 1192.12 Um yeah I think um I think we've decided that it's gonna increase the cost and give no real kinda extra benefit and it's gonna decrease from the sleekness of it . 1192.12 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1187.776 1189.984 1187.8 1189.74 Okay . b 1189.64 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1188.876 1189.705 1189.19 1189.51 Yeah . 1189.51 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1192.352 1196.176 1192.37 1195.9 Alright , so we're just gonna have the the rubber buttons , was that right ? 1192.69 1194.81 1195.9 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1194.508 1196.101 1194.98 1195.63 Yes yes . 1195.63 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1195.341 1206.24 1195.75 1206.2 Hmm um and just to be aware that there are kind of specialist functions and specialist remotes but we probably don't want to focus on those like such as the children's remote . 1206.2 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1204.64 1209.12 1205.53 1208.96 Okay . So not to be focused on . 1206.44 1208.96 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1208.52 1225.824 1208.69 1225.824 Yeah . Um there was a mention just as kind of a warning about button design . Um just to avoid ambiguity . So it gave the example of say your volume buttons for up and down , they might both have a V_ on for volume , 1209.55 1215.15 1219.42 1224.09 1225.74 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1227.04 1228.768 1227.06 1228.69 Um let's think how they did this . 1228.69 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1229.936 1237.856 1230.3 1237.81 Good in in Flip it round in ninety degree a hundred and eighty degrees and have it up and down . An upside-down V_ . 1236.54 1237.81 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1231.616 1233.376 1231.64 1233.13 I'm just gonna check so I do this right . 1233.13 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1238.496 1240.623 1238.52 1240.43 Um . What did they say ? 1239.35 1240.43 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1238.864 1243.104 1238.88 1243.0 So that would show that volume was going up , whereas the one underneath would see the volume going down . 1240.78 1243.0 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1243.616 1256.784 1243.64 1256.784 Um I think the thing was that if you decide to do this , to have triangular buttons , um somebody might look at this one and say oh well this triangular button is pointing up , and that's the first thing that they see 1248.55 1250.51 1255.39 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1258.32 1261.328 1258.45 1261.09 Actually that can't be right , can it ? Oh well , no , they might see 1259.44 1259.75 1259.87 1259.93 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1258.084 1259.157 1258.47 1258.98 Right . 1258.98 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1262.528 1271.568 1262.72 1271.5 yeah , they might see this pointing down and think right that's gonna turn the volume down , whereas the actual button's pointing up , so the function is to turn the button up . 1262.89 1267.41 1270.1 1271.5 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1264.41 1265.328 1264.85 1265.25 Mm-hmm . 1265.25 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1269.952 1270.416 1269.99 1270.38 Mm-hmm . 1270.38 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1272.56 1278.96 1272.58 1278.83 So , be careful what you put on the buttons and be careful of the shape that you make them , because they might be kind of two um 1273.6 1277.18 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1273.088 1273.808 1273.11 1273.808 So maybe we could have like - ES2014c D MEE056 3 1276.88 1277.168 1276.91 1277.13 Mm-hmm . 1277.13 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1277.088 1277.328 1277.11 1277.22 Yeah . 1277.22 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1280.0 1282.0 1280.1 1281.88 contradicting kind of shapes . 1281.88 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1280.784 1286.56 1280.8 1286.52 Yeah I I know what you mean . So maybe we could have volume written on the side and then up and down on the on the buttons themselves . 1281.66 1286.52 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1286.49 1306.832 1286.98 1306.832 Yeah . You could have volume up and volume Volume up , down and Like that . And 'cause the idea was to have limited um it was to have sizable amount of information on it . Limited number of buttons . 'Cause it was sixteen buttons , wasn't it that were 1287.51 1292.5 1295.66 1302.36 1304.67 1305.78 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1286.896 1287.799 1287.01 1287.62 Yeah . 1287.62 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1287.745 1288.608 1287.92 1288.41 Possible . 1288.41 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1293.76 1294.048 1293.78 1293.99 Mm . 1293.99 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1301.968 1303.044 1301.99 1302.93 Yeah yeah . 1302.93 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1304.157 1304.858 1304.46 1304.62 Yeah . 1304.62 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1305.971 1308.377 1306.4 1308.32 Yeah we got it down to not too many . 1308.32 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1306.713 1307.264 1306.99 1307.21 Mm-hmm . 1307.21 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1311.212 1314.752 1311.48 1314.59 Um and I think that's all I had to say for that . 1314.59 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1316.515 1317.588 1316.82 1317.18 Okay . 1317.18 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1319.84 1323.063 1319.86 1322.97 Um so what was the decision on the um design of the volume button ? 1322.97 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1323.856 1324.624 1323.88 1324.624 Um - ES2014c B MEE054 1 1326.909 1331.937 1327.42 1331.82 Are we are we gonna go through the design of all the buttons at the moment , or are we gonna t 1329.92 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1330.816 1334.264 1330.84 1334.06 I've I've got some things to say about possible design things from - ES2014c B MEE054 1 1333.648 1335.588 1333.67 1335.42 Yeah , maybe we should see yours first . 1333.87 1335.42 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1333.779 1334.943 1334.1 1334.72 Oh okay . 1334.72 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1334.112 1334.832 1334.15 1334.59 Okay . 1334.59 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1334.634 1335.584 1334.81 1335.48 trend watching . 1335.48 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1338.105 1338.839 1338.26 1338.5 Cool . 1338.5 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1352.528 1356.576 1352.55 1356.54 Right , um I've been looking at some trends 1353.03 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1357.302 1391.95 1357.66 1391.95 in in sort of basically fashion on top of doing the um research into the remote control market the the one that's the one I talked about last time , that we'd sort of asked people about remote controls and what what was good about them , what was bad , what they used . And we've also been looking at sort of fa sort of fashions and what people are wanting out of consumer goods at the moment . So we've had people in Paris and Milan watching the uh fashion trends . So 1369.08 1372.75 1373.41 1374.73 1381.94 1388.0 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1386.132 1392.016 1386.132 1392.016 You know yourself . 1391.82 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1391.95 1413.451 1391.97 1413.01 So just to summarise the most important things which came out of the remote control market investigation . The most important thing was that the thing sort of look and felt fancy rather than just functional . And second , there should be some technological innovation . And then third and l less important than the other two , there should be an ease of use as well . 1398.02 1403.46 1405.13 1407.63 1411.01 1413.01 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1402.944 1403.264 1402.96 1403.14 'Kay . 1403.14 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1413.451 1436.816 1413.51 1436.47 And apparently , the fashion trends are that people want sort of clothes and shoes and things with a fruit and vegetables theme . Um but um the feel of the material should be spongy , which is contrary to last year , apparently . I presume it must have been not not spongy last year . So 1415.39 1425.42 1429.2 1430.54 1431.23 1435.41 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1438.208 1468.57 1438.42 1468.36 we need to emphasise the fancy design with on on our remote control above all else . And then also try and add in technological informat innovation which could be our sort of find the thing with a hand clap . And then we need to ma sort of make it easy to use that's as a third priority , so perhaps um fewer fewer buttons and functions as we've as we've discussed . And then maybe find a way to incorporate these trends so that we sort of capture people's imaginations . 1445.17 1452.41 1457.73 1463.5 1468.36 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1468.57 1489.088 1468.77 1489.088 So maybe we could make the buttons shaped like fruit and veg , or the the buttons could be spongy , uh somehow . Maybe we could make them out of rubber rather than sort of hard plastic . And then sort of even wackier than that , we could maybe have a fruit or vegetable shaped remote , say in the shape of a banana or something like that . 1472.02 1476.32 1477.3 1481.46 1483.29 1485.97 1488.92 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1490.384 1497.628 1490.42 1497.628 Right , so that'll be it . Maybe a banana or courgette or something . 1490.64 1493.25 1497.54 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1499.632 1511.936 1499.89 1511.86 How how far we actually want to go along and sort of follow the trends , do we think the trends are particularly important for this type of gadget , or or you know , do they not matter that much ? 1504.42 1508.03 1510.61 1511.86 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1512.352 1516.928 1512.37 1516.87 I think if you start making the buttons fruit shaped , it might make it more complicated to use . 1514.81 1516.87 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1516.944 1530.528 1517.1 1529.88 Well you were just talking about you've got to be careful how you shape your buttons , 'cause you're can mis-direct people . And I would've thought the functionality 'cause the people get cheesed off by things by having to read instructions et cetera , so . 1520.75 1522.33 1529.39 1529.88 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1522.604 1523.374 1522.8 1523.08 Yeah . 1523.08 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1522.778 1523.836 1523.01 1523.75 Yeah . 1523.75 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1530.528 1538.019 1530.528 1538.019 .. . 1538.019 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1531.392 1538.272 1531.52 1538.14 Maybe just one button , say the standby button is quite kinda separate from all the other functions . Maybe that could be a little apple . 1532.84 1536.53 1538.14 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1537.976 1540.91 1537.976 1540.91 Maybe yeah . 1540.31 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1538.688 1542.711 1538.71 1542.58 And then that wouldn't get in the way of like kinda one to nine , and it wouldn't confuse the numbers . 1541.07 1542.58 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1538.019 1551.003 1538.76 1550.95 Okay . Now ? Yeah . Stand-by button . No th that that incorporates the trend whilst at the same time not confusing people , if you're looking for functionality . 1540.46 1541.71 1542.45 1543.9 1548.9 1550.95 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1547.968 1548.288 1547.99 1548.24 Mm-hmm . 1548.24 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1551.456 1558.259 1551.48 1558.259 Well I dunno I I guess maybe fruit and vegetables may be popular at the moment , but as we know how fickle the fashion markets are , maybe 1554.82 1557.53 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1554.56 1581.616 1555.49 1581.58 But what are they gonna be next Yeah . What are they gonna be next year . But but th but okay but you you can incorporate the tr If y if you change all the buttons then you've got the problem that this year's fruit and veg , next year's uh I was gonna say animals or elephants or w whatever . That means you're constantly changing your production schedule , and you've gotta make different moulds and everything else , so that's not a good idea I would I would suggest . 1557.09 1559.78 1568.68 1574.36 1576.87 1579.14 1581.58 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1557.036 1559.776 1557.53 1559.776 Yeah yeah . 1559.56 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1559.008 1560.37 1559.03 1560.04 Hmm . S 1559.89 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1565.952 1566.288 1565.97 1566.25 Mm-hmm . 1566.25 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1572.47 1574.973 1572.49 1574.973 Yeah , I'm not 1574.2 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1578.193 1578.831 1578.26 1578.58 Yeah . 1578.58 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1580.305 1587.056 1580.33 1587.02 I'm not I'm not sure what what what the sort of timescale we're thinking of selling the product over is . I don't know . 1586.53 1587.02 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1587.04 1590.914 1587.06 1590.88 I mean it just seems realistic that the remote control market isn't the kind of thing which takes in - ES2014c B MEE054 1 1591.52 1596.16 1591.54 1596.13 those kinds of fashion trends . to something which is maybe more universal . 1593.28 1596.13 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1592.096 1593.36 1592.12 1593.36 Yeah , yeah . 1592.71 1592.97 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1596.64 1596.992 1596.68 1596.93 Mm-hmm . 1596.93 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1596.928 1597.376 1596.95 1597.376 Well - ES2014c C FEE055 2 1596.87 1603.146 1597.03 1603.146 But I suppose as long as it's quite a subtle design , um even if the design kind of changes , 1599.74 1603.05 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1599.648 1599.856 1599.68 1599.82 Mm-hmm . 1599.82 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1600.569 1603.696 1600.78 1603.64 We c maybe can imply a fruit shape possibly . 1603.64 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1603.696 1604.08 1603.72 1604.04 Mm-hmm . 1604.04 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1604.085 1610.752 1604.19 1610.72 Ah d d But if Mm-hmm . Well . Yep . 1609.76 1610.49 1610.72 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1605.008 1608.929 1605.37 1608.79 Maybe the spongy feel is something we could think about , um . 1607.86 1608.79 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1611.088 1613.648 1611.12 1613.648 Maybe still with a rubber design we could - ES2014c A MEE053 0 1613.551 1622.56 1613.58 1622.56 Was that in the sort of fashion sense that this Or was the spongy feel was that uh sort of fashion ? It was , wasn't it ? So the 1619.53 1619.91 1621.8 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1620.448 1620.736 1620.47 1620.7 Yeah . 1620.7 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1620.891 1625.104 1621.68 1625.05 It seems like you're gonna have rubber cases , as well as buttons . 1624.1 1625.05 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1625.28 1625.664 1625.3 1625.62 Yeah . 1625.62 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1626.784 1627.056 1626.84 1627.02 Yeah . 1627.02 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1627.68 1628.256 1627.74 1628.22 Um . 1628.22 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1628.72 1634.163 1628.74 1634.11 And that you can make them curved or double-curved and that would be the kind of sleek and sexy look . 1634.11 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1632.912 1636.72 1632.93 1636.69 Oh yeah yeah one of the things were if you had rubber buttons then you had to have a rubber case . 1636.69 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1637.038 1637.92 1637.48 1637.87 Mm-hmm . 1637.87 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1637.196 1639.194 1637.55 1639.09 Oh right , that fits , doesn't it ? 1638.18 1638.67 1639.09 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1637.286 1647.344 1637.57 1647.31 Um oh no no no sorry it's if you use the uh rubber double curved case then you must use rubber buttons . That's the way round . If you have the rubber case then you have to have the rubber buttons to go with it . 1644.0 1644.55 1647.31 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1648.188 1649.516 1648.36 1649.42 Which makes sense . 1649.42 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1650.112 1650.528 1650.13 1650.41 Right . 1650.41 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1651.248 1651.64 1651.27 1651.61 Um . 1651.61 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1651.456 1654.96 1651.51 1654.96 Rubber buttons require rubber case . 1654.79 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1653.446 1657.92 1653.99 1657.8 And that would fit in with what we want , wouldn't it , for the spongy feel , to have everything rubber . 1655.21 1655.55 1656.79 1657.8 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1655.856 1656.287 1655.88 1656.22 Mm-hmm . 1656.22 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1658.048 1707.892 1658.46 1707.892 Uh so , yeah . The m the main problem is how f how frequently do the fashions change ? 'Cause in essence in the production you want things to stay you want to basically mint them out 'cause if you've got fashion changes and that you're incorporating , then it means that your stock is um is last year's stock and therefore you're selling it or having to sell it at a discounted rate which you wouldn't want to do . Whereas if you kept the product the same but you could have a difference from year to year , uh it seems to me that you could incorporate a fashion statement if you like , rather than changing the whole kit and caboodle . You're just changing one aspect like like the standby button or something like that , and especially 'cause then you could make it something that 1658.79 1659.85 1663.82 1675.42 1684.5 1690.25 1694.73 1698.3 1703.57 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1667.872 1668.58 1668.05 1668.27 Mm-hmm . 1668.27 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1678.793 1679.455 1678.92 1679.19 Mm-hmm . 1679.19 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1683.861 1684.556 1684.04 1684.37 Yeah . 1684.37 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1691.408 1692.355 1691.43 1691.98 Okay . 1691.98 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1697.466 1698.412 1697.68 1698.05 Yeah . 1698.05 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1697.984 1698.368 1698.0 1698.33 Yeah . 1698.33 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1706.576 1712.676 1706.81 1712.6 I suppose we maybe are limited in the fact that we still have to put the logo on the actual would or not . 1712.6 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1707.077 1707.802 1707.25 1707.46 Mm-hmm . 1707.46 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1710.256 1727.89 1710.78 1727.89 Well , you might be limited in space , that yes . Well you two are obviously gonna find that out fairly quickly when you move over to your kit modelling stage as to uh how much pl how much how much how pliable is Plasticine . 1711.26 1712.99 1714.28 1727.68 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1713.184 1713.812 1713.38 1713.71 Yeah . 1713.71 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1713.572 1714.231 1713.66 1714.09 Mm-hmm . 1714.09 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1714.173 1714.995 1714.48 1714.79 Hmm . 1714.79 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1719.266 1721.296 1719.54 1721.02 Yes yes . 1721.02 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1726.512 1739.841 1726.53 1739.77 Maybe we could think of the the cases like changing with the fashions like the Nokia phones where you could take the casing off the outside . But whether that would be too much to incorporate in production , whether that would just increase the costs , make it more complicated . 1732.65 1736.77 1738.39 1739.77 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1732.784 1733.168 1732.81 1733.12 Mm-hmm . 1733.12 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1736.876 1743.952 1737.62 1743.92 Hmm . So you're talking there about uh changing 1740.95 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1740.49 1742.075 1740.87 1741.82 That's possibly it . 1741.82 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1745.792 1747.168 1745.84 1747.13 changing the casing . 1747.13 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1747.088 1756.256 1747.11 1756.22 Yeah the a the actual the sort of the look from the outside , so where the buttons would stay the same , and the general function of the remote would stay the same , but you could change the the way it looked . 1749.47 1751.27 1754.2 1756.22 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1750.998 1751.83 1751.28 1751.52 Mm-hmm . 1751.52 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1756.592 1766.821 1756.61 1766.6 Yeah and then you could have Oh but you still would have to have the logo on every new case , but you could have like pink cases for girls and red ones and things like that . 1761.5 1766.6 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1760.928 1762.219 1761.01 1762.16 Yeah , that's true . 1761.31 1762.16 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1764.112 1782.544 1764.38 1782.544 Yeah you you could do a colour change , so therefore you would yeah yeah I mean that's effectively what they did with the with the mobile phones , was to have some in blue , some in red , some in rather than all in black or , you know , which four do you want , as long as it's black ? But uh so 1766.37 1771.17 1772.1 1772.79 1775.55 1776.1 1777.04 1779.44 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1770.999 1771.928 1771.27 1771.64 Yeah . 1771.64 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1773.334 1774.018 1773.51 1773.93 Mm-hmm . 1773.93 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1775.811 1776.698 1776.2 1776.48 Hmm . 1776.48 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1781.92 1783.552 1781.94 1783.52 So it is a possibility , um . 1782.99 1783.52 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1783.648 1789.008 1783.67 1788.89 But we are supposed to use the um company colour scheme , aren't we ? We haven't really seen that yet 1786.58 1787.0 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1787.102 1791.056 1787.36 1790.24 Yes oh that's true uh that might no - ES2014c B MEE054 1 1787.269 1790.082 1787.57 1790.082 Oh okay yes that is - ES2014c D MEE056 3 1788.354 1789.202 1788.39 1788.98 Yeah . 1788.98 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1789.563 1792.935 1789.62 1792.76 It might and we might be able to do both but it might clash with certain things . 1792.76 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1792.528 1832.584 1792.68 1832.32 Well not necessarily , because you could have your company uh We're we're meant to be finishing up . You could have your company badge and logo . I mean a lot of um computers for instance like like on the one you've got there , it actually has a sort of um stick on badge so what you would al all you would really need , whether it , you know , whether the casing be w any colour , could be any colour , but that badge would then have to stick out on top of it so that uh in a sense , with a with a logo like that , because it's on a white background , the only colour that it might not stick out so well on would be a white casing . 1794.08 1799.18 1801.46 1806.2 1812.49 1812.99 1813.26 1815.67 1816.8 1823.34 1825.96 1828.15 1832.32 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1805.252 1806.042 1805.35 1805.8 Mm-hmm . 1805.8 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1821.73 1822.65 1822.07 1822.55 Mm-hmm . 1822.55 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1832.584 1857.324 1832.86 1857.17 'Cause you you know you're sort of you're badging it . And in fact a lot of companies get somebody else to make them and literally just badge them themselves with their own uh badge over the top . And in fact the way they've got that there even if you had that on a white , which is the predominant colour of the uh the Windows badge , you'd still be able to see it clearly from you know a white casing uh product . So . 1835.12 1842.53 1845.57 1850.78 1856.19 1857.17 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1832.833 1833.839 1833.1 1833.49 Mm-hmm . 1833.49 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1839.337 1840.048 1839.52 1840.0 Mm-hmm . 1840.0 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1841.888 1842.16 1841.91 1842.13 Mm-hmm . 1842.13 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1852.431 1853.562 1852.81 1853.27 Mm-hmm . 1853.27 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1855.086 1855.768 1855.31 1855.63 Yeah . 1855.63 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1856.622 1857.338 1856.71 1857.28 Hmm . 1857.28 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1856.72 1861.729 1856.74 1861.51 And whether we'd have a big enough market to have this kind of like secondary market of selling the cases - ES2014c B MEE054 1 1862.16 1863.312 1862.18 1863.28 might be something to consider . 1863.28 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1863.793 1864.564 1863.96 1864.27 Mm-hmm . 1864.27 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1864.352 1872.912 1864.37 1872.86 Well if it's for young people , um like the phone generation , that sort of thing'd probably go down well , and the market research has been on that side of things , hasn't it ? 1866.11 1868.98 1870.23 1872.45 1872.86 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1867.024 1867.376 1867.04 1867.34 Yeah . 1867.34 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1869.296 1869.664 1869.32 1869.63 Yeah . 1869.63 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1873.12 1878.258 1873.15 1878.258 Yeah , I mean it's people say that it's the look , they want the fancy looking thing but I'm 1873.45 1876.65 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1879.472 1886.544 1879.49 1886.41 Yeah . I'm not convinced on whether having changeable covers would be something that people would buy into . I think with the mobiles , 1880.22 1885.13 1886.41 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1886.951 1890.656 1886.98 1890.53 it's the , you know it's a communication device , people see you with it all about and 1887.37 1888.87 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1890.592 1894.509 1890.75 1894.47 Yeah I suppose , where you you keep the remote hidden under the sofa most of the time . 1891.35 1894.47 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1891.094 1892.336 1891.12 1892.3 i if it - ES2014c A MEE053 0 1892.864 1895.76 1892.92 1895.7 It's uh in in the house , isn't it , I suppose . 1894.16 1894.9 1895.7 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1894.643 1895.274 1894.71 1895.08 Yeah . 1895.08 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1896.416 1896.821 1896.44 1896.821 I think - ES2014c C FEE055 2 1896.197 1900.026 1896.45 1900.026 Okay , so if we just went for one colour of a rubber case 1896.68 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1899.794 1908.112 1899.87 1907.44 So don't change case . Change case colour . And we're sort of saying no to that . 1902.36 1904.34 1907.44 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1900.176 1900.806 1900.26 1900.75 Mm-hmm . 1900.75 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1908.032 1913.072 1908.05 1913.02 Did we decide on the rubber case ? The spongy feel , or did we think that that might go as a trend ? 1909.63 1910.47 1913.02 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1913.616 1919.149 1913.73 1919.02 Well , it was different last year . The trend was different last year apparently . It was not not spongy feel . 1914.59 1915.57 1917.47 1919.02 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1919.52 1920.272 1919.54 1920.272 But - ES2014c D MEE056 3 1922.032 1925.152 1922.08 1925.12 I don't know whether the trend will change . I don't know whether it's one of those things that 1923.46 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1926.544 1936.688 1926.57 1936.65 like sort of having all fruit shaped keys , that that probably would go out of fashion very quickly , whereas just the fact that it was a rubber case is probably less less of something that 1929.32 1932.14 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1932.352 1933.296 1932.38 1933.13 Yeah . 1933.13 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1935.968 1937.587 1935.99 1937.587 Yeah , less likely to 1936.18 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1936.8 1937.792 1937.03 1937.76 Sounds reasonable . 1937.76 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1937.126 1940.419 1937.33 1940.12 y you're gonna end up hating in a year , you know . 1939.64 1940.12 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1939.28 1952.528 1939.28 1952.49 If you're going for fashion trends like that they'll need t you'd have to have interchangeable cases so that you could or 'cause otherwise someone's gonna have to buy a complete new remote rather than just a case . 1952.49 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1941.776 1943.222 1941.8 1943.222 So then th th that would - ES2014c B MEE054 1 1947.737 1948.631 1948.06 1948.36 Yeah . 1948.36 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1949.191 1949.829 1949.27 1949.73 Yeah . 1949.73 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1952.864 1953.168 1952.89 1953.13 Mm . 1953.13 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1953.088 1958.96 1953.088 1958.85 it seems to make sense that we we'd just maybe stick with the standard rubber case , and then have the standard rubber buttons as well . 1956.9 1958.85 ES2014c A MEE053 0 1959.326 1960.398 1959.51 1960.32 Okay . 1960.32 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1959.476 1960.165 1959.57 1960.08 Okay . 1960.08 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1960.272 1961.091 1960.29 1961.04 Um . 1961.04 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1960.017 1966.672 1960.45 1966.63 Uh we haven't really talked about uh the curvature of the case . There's flat , there's single-curved and there's double-curved . 1964.14 1964.9 1966.63 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1967.312 1968.112 1967.33 1968.08 Um . 1968.08 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1969.04 1971.591 1969.06 1971.38 I'm not exactly sure what these things look like . 1971.38 ES2014c B MEE054 1 1968.776 1969.586 1969.14 1969.27 Mayb - ES2014c B MEE054 1 1970.336 1981.904 1970.36 1981.904 Maybe curves give it like the slightly more aesthetic feel ? But the double curve wouldn't require us to perform miracles with the Plasticine . 1973.4 1981.86 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1979.039 1980.874 1979.25 1980.874 Well it says that - ES2014c D MEE056 3 1981.856 1985.216 1981.88 1985.14 When you say d when you say double-curved , what what exactly does that mean ? 1983.57 1985.14 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1985.136 1989.568 1985.16 1989.51 I'm not exactly sure . Um I'll show you 1987.66 ES2014c D MEE056 3 1987.559 1988.372 1987.58 1988.26 Okay . 1988.26 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1991.92 1994.432 1991.97 1994.432 the remotes that I've got . See how uh 1993.71 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1995.6 1996.56 1995.62 1996.5 Let's just get that bigger . 1996.5 ES2014c C FEE055 2 1998.032 2004.576 1998.05 2004.5 See how uh the one Oh I'm not plugged in , am I ? That doesn't help . Shall I just turn it round for time ? 2000.5 2000.92 2003.23 2004.5 ES2014c D MEE056 3 2000.136 2004.332 2000.34 2004.332 No you're not connected to me anymore . 2004.22 ES2014c A MEE053 0 2002.048 2032.144 2002.07 2032.11 One one thing to cons one thing to consider is that in some ways you want um by having a fairly standard case it means they can all fit together on top of each other therefore for storage purposes in shops and the like and it makes it easier that you can if you can store them up on top of each other . Whereas if you do um fancy things with it , you then gotta put it in a ca a a packaging box that that does that . And the cost of packaging could be quite important vis-a-vis the total cost of the product . 2018.64 2021.35 2026.88 2032.11 ES2014c D MEE056 3 2008.644 2010.123 2008.91 2010.06 That should come up . 2010.06 ES2014c D MEE056 3 2016.698 2018.702 2016.9 2018.52 Mm . 2018.52 ES2014c B MEE054 1 2017.655 2018.428 2017.79 2018.21 Mm-hmm . 2018.21 ES2014c B MEE054 1 2032.064 2038.665 2032.08 2038.665 Yeah yeah . So shall we go through quickly and just work out what we've decide on , if we have to kind of 2033.74 2036.37 ES2014c D MEE056 3 2032.688 2032.912 2032.71 2032.88 Mm-hmm . 2032.88 ES2014c C FEE055 2 2032.738 2033.404 2032.81 2033.19 Hmm . 2033.19 ES2014c A MEE053 0 2037.851 2040.976 2037.95 2040.976 So but - ES2014c D MEE056 3 2039.024 2039.392 2039.04 2039.32 Yeah . 2039.32 ES2014c C FEE055 2 2040.432 2052.624 2040.45 2052.59 Um it's not very clear up there , but you can see some of them have got kind of bulges , like the second one and the end one uh where there's a curve there . I'm not exactl I don't know if a double curve is maybe it comes up slightly , or ? 2041.77 2044.15 2047.95 2052.52 2052.59 ES2014c A MEE053 0 2041.661 2042.494 2041.89 2042.34 No . 2042.34 ES2014c A MEE053 0 2044.139 2045.212 2044.21 2045.08 Mm yep . 2045.08 ES2014c D MEE056 3 2046.016 2046.256 2046.04 2046.22 Right . 2046.22 ES2014c D MEE056 3 2052.086 2054.32 2052.086 2053.84 That's what I was trying to work out . 2053.84 ES2014c C FEE055 2 2053.728 2058.048 2053.728 2058.01 But um it is a kinda sleeker look if you've got curves in there . 2058.01 ES2014c A MEE053 0 2055.136 2056.48 2055.18 2056.43 Oh right . 2056.43 ES2014c D MEE056 3 2058.304 2058.624 2058.32 2058.59 Shall we - ES2014c A MEE053 0 2057.968 2066.884 2058.56 2066.78 S so do you wanna go for curves , more curves ? We're meant to be f we're meant to be finishing this meeting in about a minute or so . 2060.26 2062.0 2066.78 ES2014c C FEE055 2 2062.003 2064.374 2062.22 2064.25 Definitely a single , maybe a double . 2063.23 2064.25 ES2014c D MEE056 3 2066.816 2067.12 2066.84 2067.08 Yeah . 2067.08 ES2014c B MEE054 1 2067.168 2068.212 2067.19 2068.212 'Kay , so shall we quickly 2067.32 ES2014c C FEE055 2 2066.726 2069.568 2067.43 2069.42 Shall we go for single curve , just to compromise ? 2068.58 2069.42 ES2014c B MEE054 1 2069.216 2071.785 2069.24 2071.33 We'll go for single curve , yeah . Single curve . 2070.15 2070.61 2071.33 ES2014c D MEE056 3 2070.048 2071.258 2070.21 2070.83 Okay . 2070.83 ES2014c A MEE053 0 2070.144 2074.208 2070.59 2073.86 Okay , curved or double curved ? So it's single curved . 2071.38 2072.41 2073.86 ES2014c B MEE054 1 2074.0 2080.688 2074.02 2080.688 So did we did we decide on the kinetic power supply ? The one you move around ? Okay . Um 2077.0 2078.98 2079.93 ES2014c D MEE056 3 2077.552 2080.064 2077.57 2079.79 Yeah I think that think that's a good idea . 2079.79 ES2014c C FEE055 2 2077.716 2078.689 2077.99 2078.51 Yeah . 2078.51 ES2014c A MEE053 0 2078.8 2079.587 2078.82 2079.12 Yep . 2079.12 ES2014c C FEE055 2 2084.192 2086.882 2084.21 2086.75 And the rubber push buttons , rubber case . 2085.69 2086.75 ES2014c D MEE056 3 2085.353 2085.945 2085.6 2085.945 Rubber - ES2014c D MEE056 3 2088.416 2089.728 2088.44 2089.69 Rubber buttons and case . 2089.69 ES2014c C FEE055 2 2091.552 2097.088 2091.57 2097.05 Um and we don't really know much about the colour scheme or logo yet do we , but possibly a sticker . 2095.66 2097.05 ES2014c B MEE054 1 2095.536 2106.234 2095.75 2106.14 Oh we ca Yeah yeah , we'll still have the Are we gonna go for the simple circuit board just to keep the cost down ? I th I think we can by by not having anything too complicated . 2097.98 2102.76 2106.14 ES2014c D MEE056 3 2103.904 2104.649 2104.02 2104.52 Yeah . 2104.52 ES2014c C FEE055 2 2106.241 2110.992 2106.39 2110.96 Yeah . Yeah and and the voice recognition , we can use that can't we , just to find it . 2107.38 2109.11 2110.13 2110.96 ES2014c B MEE054 1 2107.216 2107.472 2107.24 2107.44 Um . 2107.44 ES2014c D MEE056 3 2111.504 2112.728 2111.52 2112.34 Yeah yeah . 2112.34 ES2014c B MEE054 1 2111.712 2112.659 2111.712 2112.56 Um . 2112.56 ES2014c C FEE055 2 2111.926 2113.739 2111.97 2113.43 Without affecting the circuit board . 2113.43 ES2014c A MEE053 0 2111.575 2114.864 2112.04 2114.19 Yes . Yep . 2113.89 2114.19 ES2014c B MEE054 1 2113.86 2118.944 2113.92 2118.82 And see we could always decide against it if something comes up that's just something to that we seemed to leave out . 2118.82 ES2014c D MEE056 3 2121.056 2128.747 2121.08 2128.49 Okay . And then are we going for sort of one button shaped like a fruit . Or veg . 2122.76 2127.92 2128.49 ES2014c C FEE055 2 2127.568 2133.296 2127.59 2133.18 Yeah that sounds like it wouldn't do too much harm in a couple of years . Uh what sort of shape do we want ? 2131.51 2133.18 ES2014c D MEE056 3 2134.992 2136.256 2135.01 2136.1 Don't know , maybe just 2135.28 ES2014c A MEE053 0 2135.392 2140.496 2135.45 2140.496 So we've got spongy feel buttons as well , have we ? As well as or w or was that 2137.56 2138.37 ES2014c D MEE056 3 2139.121 2139.73 2139.16 2139.69 Yeah . 2139.69 ES2014c D MEE056 3 2140.448 2142.248 2140.47 2141.82 That's ru rubber buttons , yeah . 2141.58 2141.82 ES2014c B MEE054 1 2141.648 2142.832 2141.67 2142.832 Yeah , it was just 2141.82 ES2014c A MEE053 0 2141.872 2147.856 2141.89 2147.62 So it's rubber buttons , so it's not really spongy feel buttons , it's just rubber buttons . With a rubber case right ? 2142.71 2144.23 2145.95 2147.62 ES2014c B MEE054 1 2145.52 2145.744 2145.54 2145.71 'Kay . 2145.71 ES2014c D MEE056 3 2145.664 2147.68 2145.68 2147.64 Yeah . Reasonably spongy I guess , yeah . 2146.27 2147.48 2147.64 ES2014c C FEE055 2 2146.071 2148.105 2146.19 2147.84 Yeah , so it's not too wacky . 2146.52 2147.84 ES2014c A MEE053 0 2148.912 2151.107 2148.93 2151.0 And the standby button is gonna be different . 2151.0 ES2014c D MEE056 3 2151.092 2152.128 2151.29 2152.08 Yeah okay . 2152.08 ES2014c C FEE055 2 2153.536 2159.92 2153.56 2159.89 Um I think an apple would be a good recognisable shape . If you start getting into kinda aubergines and things , it gets a bit weird . 2156.72 2158.97 2159.89 ES2014c D MEE056 3 2160.944 2161.787 2160.96 2161.64 Yeah . 2161.64 ES2014c A MEE053 0 2159.856 2166.304 2161.01 2166.26 Okay so what what shape are we making the standby button ? A apple . Oh oh Sorry ? 2164.53 2164.94 2166.26 ES2014c D MEE056 3 2163.776 2164.208 2163.8 2164.17 Apple ? 2164.17 ES2014c C FEE055 2 2164.155 2164.752 2164.31 2164.67 Vote ? 2164.67 ES2014c D MEE056 3 2165.094 2166.012 2165.46 2165.98 Yeah . 2165.98 ES2014c C FEE055 2 2166.336 2170.816 2166.65 2170.68 Shall we vote on it ? Anyone got any suggestions ? Right . 2168.31 2170.24 2170.68 ES2014c D MEE056 3 2167.792 2175.776 2167.81 2175.776 Yeah . Apple apple a a qu Quite a big one , as well . A big apple . Uh 2168.7 2171.43 2173.1 2175.21 ES2014c B MEE054 1 2167.968 2170.192 2167.99 2170.12 We will go for the a a a apples apples . 2170.12 ES2014c C FEE055 2 2172.368 2176.208 2172.39 2176.12 Okay . Ah . Well it could be red . 2172.87 2175.38 2176.12 ES2014c D MEE056 3 2176.944 2178.448 2176.96 2178.41 Could be a red apple , yeah . 2178.12 2178.41 ES2014c D MEE056 3 2179.6 2180.8 2179.65 2180.75 Either , don't mind . 2180.24 2180.75 ES2014c A MEE053 0 2179.952 2182.848 2180.82 2182.57 A red apple ? Is it ? 2181.81 2182.57 ES2014c C FEE055 2 2181.485 2187.329 2181.78 2187.329 Yeah 'cause we wanna incorporate a bit of colour if we can , once we find out um 2185.66 ES2014c B MEE054 1 2186.304 2191.568 2186.32 2191.568 Okay . And then we're gonna are you gonna work on keeping the button design quite simple ? Just like the 2186.65 2190.79 ES2014c B MEE054 1 2192.928 2194.752 2192.95 2194.72 Just working out what we're gonna do for the next time . 2194.72 ES2014c D MEE056 3 2195.952 2196.32 2195.98 2196.26 Mm-hmm . 2196.26 ES2014c B MEE054 1 2196.496 2197.12 2196.52 2197.08 Um . 2197.08 ES2014c C FEE055 2 2197.792 2198.686 2197.81 2198.45 Yeah . 2198.45 ES2014c C FEE055 2 2199.952 2206.88 2199.97 2206.83 Yeah that seems pretty straight forward . 'Cause most of them will just be kind of mainly circular or like very plain . 2202.22 2206.83 ES2014c B MEE054 1 2201.664 2202.032 2201.81 2202.0 Yeah . 2202.0 ES2014c B MEE054 1 2206.587 2207.684 2206.99 2207.63 'Kay . 2207.63 ES2014c D MEE056 3 2207.584 2207.84 2207.64 2207.79 Mm-hmm . 2207.79 ES2014c D MEE056 3 2209.856 2210.384 2209.88 2210.32 Okay . 2210.32 ES2014c A MEE053 0 2213.088 2216.304 2213.21 2216.21 Sorry what was that last thing again there ? 2216.21 ES2014c C FEE055 2 2215.424 2217.808 2215.46 2217.77 Uh just to keep the shape of the buttons simple . 2217.77 ES2014c A MEE053 0 2218.592 2224.704 2219.09 2224.704 Right much option on that . I thought you were going for a single curve and 2221.47 ES2014c C FEE055 2 2223.965 2226.752 2224.17 2226.7 Ah just the uh shape of the buttons . 2226.7 ES2014c A MEE053 0 2226.862 2228.56 2227.25 2228.49 Alright . 2228.49 ES2014c B MEE054 1 2228.96 2236.352 2228.98 2236.3 And j yeah , just keeping the sort of the labelling them labelling of them fairly simple as well . Fairly sort of self explanatory . 2229.41 2234.72 2236.3 ES2014c C FEE055 2 2234.304 2234.704 2234.32 2234.64 Yeah . 2234.64 ES2014c A MEE053 0 2236.697 2239.744 2236.95 2239.22 Right , so shape of buttons simple . 2237.14 2239.22 ES2014c A MEE053 0 2247.024 2262.4 2248.42 2262.22 Okay . So that's that , I guess . We should now go away and get these things sorted out . I guess you two are on plasticine duty or whatever . Okay , so um . 2249.28 2251.79 2252.8 2255.26 2260.0 2260.59 2262.22 ES2014c B MEE054 1 2258.848 2259.703 2258.94 2259.26 Okay . 2259.26 ES2014c B MEE054 1 2266.56 2267.504 2266.58 2267.4 Is that the end ? Okay . 2267.18 2267.4 ES2014c D MEE056 3 2267.392 2270.344 2268.1 2268.57 Looks like it . 2270.29 ES2014c A MEE053 0 2272.144 2273.52 2272.61 2273.36 Okay . 2273.36 ES2014d A MEE053 0 0.0 3.292 0.02 3.07 So is Why not save that . 3.07 ES2014d D MEE056 3 3.292 6.806 3.39 6.6 No , you'll ha have to open it up from elsewhere . 3.57 6.6 ES2014d A MEE053 0 9.766 12.688 9.766 12.6 Do you want to replace existing file , no . 12.39 12.6 ES2014d A MEE053 0 18.56 21.888 18.73 21.888 I actually tried to transfer it to My Documents , but 21.44 ES2014d D MEE056 3 21.808 25.68 21.83 25.68 Yeah , you have to you have to close that window . 'Cause that's the save one isn't it , so 21.97 23.69 25.35 ES2014d D MEE056 3 27.004 28.113 27.19 27.92 And then find it . 27.92 ES2014d A MEE053 0 33.378 34.969 33.378 34.85 spreadsheet . 34.85 ES2014d A MEE053 0 47.056 54.133 47.056 54.133 Yeah , but I've ta uh right , I'll just re-do it . That's the easiest way . 48.01 49.26 50.2 54.02 ES2014d A MEE053 0 71.35 72.05 71.49 71.99 Right . 71.99 ES2014d C FEE055 2 76.432 78.4 76.6 78.37 Well we've made our prototype anyway . 78.37 ES2014d C FEE055 2 79.52 81.424 79.54 81.424 We can have a good look at that . 81.1 ES2014d D MEE056 3 80.837 82.76 81.46 82.67 You pass it round to have a look . 82.67 ES2014d C FEE055 2 82.18 85.584 82.18 85.584 Mm-hmm . Y no , it's a slightly curved around the sides . 83.36 83.61 85.28 ES2014d D MEE056 3 84.684 86.352 84.684 86.29 Mm very nice . 86.29 ES2014d C FEE055 2 86.656 103.689 86.68 103.61 Um , it's almost curved like up to the main display as well . And the little line at the bottom indicates the bit the panel that you pull down . And the extra function buttons are below that panel on the little line . And we've got the stick on the button with the company logo on . 87.24 92.26 96.63 101.09 103.61 ES2014d D MEE056 3 91.664 92.329 91.79 92.08 Mm-hmm . 92.08 ES2014d D MEE056 3 99.872 100.505 99.9 100.27 Mm-hmm . 100.27 ES2014d D MEE056 3 103.904 104.336 103.93 104.23 Mm-hmm . 104.23 ES2014d B MEE054 1 103.76 110.459 104.64 110.459 We also have a apple slash cherry design at the top . 110.07 ES2014d D MEE056 3 107.986 111.278 107.986 111.15 So it is , yeah . Cherry would be alright actually . Yeah . 109.28 109.69 110.96 111.15 ES2014d C FEE055 2 111.283 117.811 111.4 117.73 Yeah , it's a bit more fun , isn't it ? And it's kinda not really at a kind of you think apple , you think computers , like Apple Mac . 111.61 112.41 112.91 116.19 116.96 117.73 ES2014d B MEE054 1 117.04 119.411 117.11 119.411 Yeah , yeah , we might get a 117.48 117.69 ES2014d D MEE056 3 118.164 123.343 118.31 123.0 Mm-hmm . Copyright , yeah . What's this this one ? What's that one there ? 119.29 119.78 120.07 121.87 123.0 ES2014d C FEE055 2 120.552 124.432 120.68 124.26 Yeah , and cherries are fun , summery . Ah , that's the mute . 120.79 121.63 122.93 123.06 124.26 ES2014d D MEE056 3 124.304 125.481 124.38 125.36 Oh , okay . Right . 124.48 125.09 125.36 ES2014d B MEE054 1 124.8 126.691 124.82 126.691 For the M_ . 126.48 ES2014d C FEE055 2 125.804 131.632 125.804 131.32 It it'd probably have to be labelled mute . But um , we didn't have anything small enough to write . 129.49 129.83 131.32 ES2014d D MEE056 3 129.153 129.782 129.29 129.55 Uh-huh . 129.55 ES2014d B MEE054 1 129.243 130.501 129.54 130.501 They're thinking - ES2014d D MEE056 3 131.669 132.667 131.81 132.37 Okay . 132.37 ES2014d B MEE054 1 131.92 137.751 131.94 137.52 For the first time , well it was hard to get the h um the actual labelling on the individual buttons . 132.74 137.52 ES2014d D MEE056 3 137.034 138.064 137.14 138.064 Mm-hmm . 138.0 ES2014d C FEE055 2 137.582 138.248 137.75 138.05 Yeah . 138.05 ES2014d C FEE055 2 139.099 147.942 139.24 147.9 Uh , we just chose simple shapes for all them . Um , the important ones are the volume ones . So we made them a bit bigger . The mute could possibly be a bit smaller . 139.43 141.56 142.3 143.86 145.84 147.9 ES2014d D MEE056 3 145.388 146.054 145.55 145.82 Mm-hmm . 145.82 ES2014d B MEE054 1 147.856 158.58 147.9 158.4 Hum , you separate off in colour the volume related buttons from the channel related buttons , so you've got the volume in orange on design there , and the the channel is in blue . 148.37 153.2 156.25 158.4 ES2014d D MEE056 3 155.487 156.005 155.6 155.95 Yeah . 155.95 ES2014d C FEE055 2 158.709 159.116 158.82 159.04 Mm-hmm . 159.04 ES2014d A MEE053 0 159.32 177.664 159.46 177.51 R right . Um , all these things have cost implications . And so when I done my thing on cost a I had assumed that the only uh button that would be a different colour would be the uh the red apple button . 160.45 160.78 164.38 177.51 ES2014d C FEE055 2 159.744 162.205 159.82 162.13 Yeah , and we chose a V_ plus and V_ minus . 159.95 162.13 ES2014d A MEE053 0 178.912 198.448 179.09 198.34 So However , I've now . But um , yeah so uh but there would be a cost implication on that , and uh as I suppose that so whether wanted to put in all these colours , would be uh open to debate , I suppose . 180.92 181.93 182.57 188.8 193.79 196.81 198.34 ES2014d D MEE056 3 185.468 186.969 185.62 186.69 I'll see if I can find them . 186.69 ES2014d B MEE054 1 195.013 196.678 195.13 196.32 Yeah , sis 195.76 ES2014d C FEE055 2 197.432 207.472 197.6 207.472 Well the colours wouldn't like that's they wouldn't be too important , but we didn't have any white Play-Doh . So that's where the colour buttons came from . 201.49 202.68 207.24 ES2014d D MEE056 3 197.511 198.066 197.69 198.066 Have - ES2014d A MEE053 0 203.344 209.424 203.344 209.424 An important consideration . Right , okay so um 207.48 207.88 ES2014d A MEE053 0 210.928 215.2 210.928 215.2 And the second one underneath would be the idea for the - ES2014d B MEE054 1 214.569 216.24 214.76 216.21 Yes , we'll have the slide-away . 215.12 216.21 ES2014d A MEE053 0 216.512 222.192 216.59 221.72 Right , okay . So we've got um detail design meeting . 217.05 218.27 221.72 ES2014d B MEE054 1 218.212 218.656 218.23 218.62 Bottom . 218.62 ES2014d A MEE053 0 224.304 224.864 224.32 224.67 Right . 224.67 ES2014d A MEE053 0 227.616 230.528 227.86 230.26 So So , we've got 229.73 ES2014d A MEE053 0 231.808 285.088 231.808 284.4 prototype presentation , which we've just done , evaluation criteria , um and finance , so I guess w we have to evaluate if that meets the various uh aspects that we're looking for uh from um our previous meeting . So other than the fact that it doesn't have the second layer , but um obviously obviously it would . But other than that , we got the red apple . We got the buttons and the only thing that has really changed is the is the colouration of the buttons , and the bit after the evaluation criteria is uh is the finance . And the and the cost implication . The only snag about this is that uh 233.64 235.12 237.66 240.36 252.84 256.36 261.83 262.59 263.36 271.6 279.61 282.21 ES2014d D MEE056 3 249.094 249.797 249.26 249.55 Mm-hmm . 249.55 ES2014d D MEE056 3 252.863 253.455 252.96 253.31 Mm-hmm . 253.31 ES2014d B MEE054 1 255.872 256.32 255.91 256.18 Mm-hmm . 256.18 ES2014d B MEE054 1 270.608 271.472 270.64 271.42 Yes , yes . 271.07 271.42 ES2014d D MEE056 3 279.312 280.015 279.42 279.9 Right . 279.9 ES2014d B MEE054 1 279.404 280.019 279.48 279.91 Okay . 279.91 ES2014d A MEE053 0 286.416 299.536 286.416 299.49 the cost is probably kind of important . So um , and then the production evaluation , as to how easy that would be to uh to manufacture . Um , 289.21 290.42 292.52 298.47 299.49 ES2014d B MEE054 1 297.456 297.808 297.49 297.77 Mm-hmm . 297.77 ES2014d A MEE053 0 300.752 303.712 301.18 303.712 and whether it would uh - ES2014d D MEE056 3 303.883 308.688 303.883 308.51 So if you had to do a presentation or will you just work it on the prototype ? 308.51 ES2014d C FEE055 2 308.613 310.906 308.76 310.906 Uh , that's it . 309.32 310.73 ES2014d B MEE054 1 308.752 312.16 308.77 312.13 This this is a yes , this is our presentation of the prototype . 310.01 312.13 ES2014d D MEE056 3 309.986 311.022 310.11 310.94 That's the pr - ES2014d D MEE056 3 312.845 313.696 312.93 313.37 Okay . 313.37 ES2014d A MEE053 0 312.675 331.056 313.04 330.56 Right , so uh as far as the the finance of it would be concern would be to make sure that the cost aye the production cost 'cause you may remember that was one of the first uh considerations was to be in d under um uh twelve fifty or two and a half uh twelve and a half Euros . 313.53 330.56 ES2014d B MEE054 1 327.713 328.176 327.83 328.13 Mm-hmm . 328.13 ES2014d A MEE053 0 332.8 345.312 333.06 345.05 So , there's no redesign . So that should uh Right , so , seems to me that the thing that I have to do is 333.64 336.08 339.63 340.78 ES2014d A MEE053 0 351.04 354.32 351.06 354.32 is quickly find that uh - ES2014d B MEE054 1 358.036 361.472 358.06 361.44 Could we get this on the board just so we can see or do you mean do you have the figures there ? 361.44 ES2014d D MEE056 3 363.296 368.0 363.296 367.85 we should plug it in . Do you wanna plu do you wanna plug it in into the the back of that one . 364.33 367.85 ES2014d A MEE053 0 364.052 364.64 364.22 364.56 Right . 364.56 ES2014d A MEE053 0 366.656 368.092 366.68 367.8 Okay . 367.8 ES2014d B MEE054 1 367.405 368.515 367.62 368.29 'Kay , Alice . 367.81 368.29 ES2014d B MEE054 1 369.476 370.623 369.68 370.52 So , sh 370.49 ES2014d D MEE056 3 370.048 373.328 370.08 373.27 We could do it as we d go along , the production costs , looking at the prototype . 371.21 372.3 373.27 ES2014d A MEE053 0 374.013 376.084 374.18 376.05 Right . . 376.05 376.05 ES2014d B MEE054 1 377.056 378.199 377.08 378.01 'Kay this should be then . 378.01 ES2014d A MEE053 0 380.72 392.951 380.74 392.61 Okay , so , by the fact that we've got uh the simple chip and the uh kinetic energy source , we've got a single curved 381.2 381.59 390.62 ES2014d A MEE053 0 395.264 408.816 395.28 408.816 case . We've got a rubber uh case materials supplements . So , we had decided that we're having rubber buttons and 396.44 404.69 405.18 ES2014d B MEE054 1 404.714 405.343 405.11 405.31 Mm-hmm . 405.31 ES2014d B MEE054 1 411.776 413.472 411.8 413.42 Have a push button interface . 413.42 ES2014d A MEE053 0 417.632 439.136 417.65 439.136 Okay . W the button supplements . Well , originally , I thought there would just be uh one in there because it was the one red apple . But So the so the real w the real question then would come in . Do you make all the buttons 419.68 421.64 421.85 422.67 429.97 437.29 ES2014d B MEE054 1 420.189 421.521 420.24 421.521 Um - ES2014d B MEE054 1 429.84 430.551 429.86 430.551 Um - ES2014d D MEE056 3 439.888 443.975 439.91 443.78 Well do we'll do it on the prototype , so do two , see how much it is . 441.39 442.87 443.78 ES2014d A MEE053 0 440.353 440.908 440.55 440.85 O - ES2014d A MEE053 0 443.568 462.64 443.59 462.64 Well , so we've got one special button form , which was the apple . Everything else is gonna be a standard . We've got special material , rubber , wood , titanium , et cetera and that , so , I was originally , I was thinking rubber wasn't special , but according to this , maybe it is . So 445.0 446.95 447.87 450.6 451.74 452.1 452.44 453.15 454.04 454.8 456.54 458.27 459.38 461.51 ES2014d D MEE056 3 447.997 448.625 448.13 448.57 Yeah . 448.57 ES2014d B MEE054 1 448.331 448.923 448.46 448.78 Yeah . 448.78 ES2014d B MEE054 1 450.288 451.253 450.31 451.253 And then we'd have - ES2014d D MEE056 3 453.915 454.655 454.28 454.53 Mm-hmm . 454.53 ES2014d D MEE056 3 460.352 460.833 460.48 460.72 Mm-hmm . 460.72 ES2014d A MEE053 0 463.952 469.392 464.01 469.08 And the r I mean effectively we've got sixteen buttons that we're gonna have on there . 469.08 ES2014d D MEE056 3 469.131 472.369 469.29 472.369 Yeah . I think you just do one , don't you , for the 469.77 471.49 471.8 ES2014d A MEE053 0 472.585 491.632 472.72 491.632 W I don't know is is is the sort of answer , is that meant to be all sixteen buttons , and therefore I mean , what's the op The option was maybe not to have rubber buttons , but just to have the one that was soft and spongy , and therefore 476.76 478.61 481.62 486.24 489.44 ES2014d D MEE056 3 490.844 493.174 490.91 493.174 I think I think it's just it's just a one . Else 492.68 ES2014d A MEE053 0 493.84 503.728 494.22 503.68 Whereas it would be the special colour would be for the So you would only have the one special button that was rubber , whereas the rest would be hard plastic . 501.38 503.68 ES2014d D MEE056 3 504.496 512.155 504.52 512.05 I thi I think I think the button supplement i is just a supplement for all the buttons made in a different material , rather than per button . 510.82 512.05 ES2014d A MEE053 0 511.216 528.8 511.59 528.56 Mm . I would Every design change is uh I dunno , um Okay , um , 515.39 524.86 527.56 528.56 ES2014d D MEE056 3 513.584 514.439 513.63 514.25 I don't know though . 514.25 ES2014d D MEE056 3 521.078 521.633 521.2 521.52 Hmm . 521.52 ES2014d A MEE053 0 529.792 540.352 529.81 540.19 if we just had all the buttons as standard , except for the one red apple , then that would take care of that , I guess . We'd have one special colour and one special button form . 532.29 533.78 535.12 536.91 540.19 ES2014d D MEE056 3 540.688 541.072 540.72 541.0 Mm-hmm . 541.0 ES2014d A MEE053 0 541.392 543.184 542.12 542.79 And when - ES2014d A MEE053 0 544.4 548.994 544.42 548.91 I plugged that in last time remember it has to be under twelve and a half . 548.91 ES2014d A MEE053 0 550.752 563.424 550.81 562.94 As far as I know , that um that took care of the uh of the various supplements . And if What happened ? 551.75 561.08 562.94 ES2014d D MEE056 3 559.648 560.0 559.67 559.95 Mm-hmm . 559.95 ES2014d D MEE056 3 566.527 570.0 566.69 569.97 You've just gone off the window into another one . It's on the bottom row . 568.89 569.97 ES2014d C FEE055 2 577.824 582.016 577.84 581.97 Maybe if you just minimise that one in the top right-hand corner of the little box . Yeah . 581.72 581.97 ES2014d A MEE053 0 583.744 589.84 583.76 589.59 Now , right . Okay , so , but the point would be that if we uh 584.02 586.66 587.11 587.85 ES2014d A MEE053 0 591.808 597.872 591.83 597.76 if we just did special Sorry , you were saying that it would be that one , that you would put in one there . 593.82 596.04 597.76 ES2014d D MEE056 3 597.792 599.28 597.81 599.25 Yeah . Yeah . 599.02 599.25 ES2014d A MEE053 0 600.887 601.627 600.95 601.46 Okay . 601.46 ES2014d B MEE054 1 603.97 606.704 604.09 606.704 So that's nine point one there so we've got some - ES2014d A MEE053 0 606.032 610.832 606.05 610.75 So it Well , is it s is no , it's nine point seven I've got . Okay . 606.55 607.31 610.31 610.75 ES2014d B MEE054 1 608.928 609.264 608.95 609.23 'Kay . 609.23 ES2014d D MEE056 3 609.392 609.776 609.43 609.71 Mm-hmm . 609.71 ES2014d B MEE054 1 610.752 611.76 610.77 611.76 Just give us a bit of - ES2014d A MEE053 0 612.048 614.32 612.11 614.32 So , that would 612.75 ES2014d A MEE053 0 616.064 618.288 616.18 618.01 that would work out fine if uh - ES2014d D MEE056 3 618.554 619.22 618.7 619.01 Mm-hmm . 619.01 ES2014d A MEE053 0 619.952 634.944 619.97 634.76 uh as assuming your correction are are assuming that that one change covers all the buttons , then that would be fine . And there's nothing else as far as I can see that we we had uh planned to put on . 626.84 629.28 634.76 ES2014d D MEE056 3 628.464 628.8 628.49 628.77 Mm-hmm . 628.77 ES2014d C FEE055 2 629.641 630.307 629.71 630.16 S - ES2014d B MEE054 1 633.813 656.582 633.93 656.582 I switching around those th um on the electronics we got the sample sensor . At the moment we've just got the simple chip , which costs one . Um , I guess the sample sens sample speaker would be the voice recognition thing , which puts up to four ? We should be slightly over our budget but if we gather something else down to slightly lower standard , and maybe go with the one the special form buttons , then we could have the speech 638.09 639.98 641.63 642.0 646.76 648.12 652.53 654.4 ES2014d A MEE053 0 641.88 642.545 642.04 642.48 Uh-huh . 642.48 ES2014d D MEE056 3 646.272 646.8 646.29 646.75 Yeah . 646.75 ES2014d D MEE056 3 652.309 652.79 652.43 652.68 Yeah . 652.68 ES2014d A MEE053 0 655.117 658.48 655.4 658.25 Well , hold on . Um , if we 655.67 656.73 657.09 ES2014d A MEE053 0 661.799 663.982 661.88 663.86 Okay , that gives us twelve point seven 662.17 ES2014d B MEE054 1 663.984 673.333 664.0 673.333 So uh maybe if we got rid of like the maybe one of the special colours , kept them all the same colour , then we could have the voice recognition without 669.34 670.35 ES2014d A MEE053 0 672.041 679.584 672.29 679.584 But remember that the idea was to keep it the colour of the Oh , I see , so just take out the special colour for the apple and 676.51 676.91 ES2014d B MEE054 1 679.36 681.394 679.38 681.394 Yeah , yeah . Um 679.91 681.02 ES2014d C FEE055 2 680.672 691.226 680.84 691.11 Um , . D wouldn't you have to keep the simple chip there as well ? You know how you turn that one to a zero , wouldn't the chip and the sample speaker be separate things , so you need both of them ? 680.99 680.99 684.57 686.59 690.2 691.11 ES2014d D MEE056 3 687.951 689.061 688.05 689.061 Yeah , we have to have it 688.28 ES2014d B MEE054 1 690.128 694.605 690.15 694.54 Oh possibly , yeah , yeah maybe . Maybe um we'd be giving up on the kinetic . 690.89 691.36 692.36 694.54 ES2014d D MEE056 3 690.503 691.28 690.67 691.18 Yeah . 691.18 ES2014d B MEE054 1 695.936 696.7 695.97 696.7 Um - ES2014d A MEE053 0 697.009 700.224 697.18 700.04 And go for battery instead . That would give you one less . 698.66 700.04 ES2014d D MEE056 3 697.273 698.268 697.46 698.03 Yeah . 698.03 ES2014d B MEE054 1 698.772 702.693 698.97 702.48 We should Yeah , that would save us one , though we'd still be slightly ov 700.36 701.26 ES2014d A MEE053 0 701.888 709.814 701.91 709.35 But you reckon that i I mean the thing is that you wanted to a appeal to people and not have to replace batteries . 709.35 ES2014d B MEE054 1 709.355 739.648 709.46 739.55 Yeah , yeah . Well , since it's the through the whole technology type thing , um , you were saying in the market research that people like kind of interesting gadgets in them . Um , whether they would figure the the s uh sample senor and the sample speaker , voice recognition be sort of a worthwhile thing to have . And then still have the batteries , or whatever they would prefer not uh You know what I mean ? The the problem was the battery's running out and losing the um losing the remote . So you gotta decide which of those is more important to them . 709.82 710.49 710.65 713.42 715.12 719.36 719.6 725.24 728.29 729.3 731.52 737.35 739.55 ES2014d D MEE056 3 718.983 719.723 719.22 719.49 Mm-hmm . 719.49 ES2014d D MEE056 3 728.538 729.056 728.63 728.82 Mm-hmm . 728.82 ES2014d A MEE053 0 732.496 733.68 732.53 733.64 Mm-hmm . 733.64 ES2014d D MEE056 3 735.234 735.899 735.35 735.8 Yeah . 735.8 ES2014d A MEE053 0 739.68 764.032 739.68 763.98 But which do you think or which do we think is the more important of the options ? In a sense , at the moment , we've got a total which we need to reduce down by one point two . At least . Remember that was a minimum requirement . The other option if we're planning on just going for something cheap and cheerful , would be to um make it originally , we're gonna make it a simple product . 745.42 746.02 746.58 750.75 751.49 753.57 758.1 761.53 763.98 ES2014d C FEE055 2 744.969 746.596 745.16 746.51 I think the voice recognition . 746.51 ES2014d D MEE056 3 763.056 783.82 763.08 783.75 Shall we shall we evaluate the prototype as we've got it now first , and then sort of make decisions about what needs to be changed after ? Okay . Right um , I have a little thing . So , we've all got a note of it's thirteen point seven , isn't it , with everything we want on . 768.62 773.31 774.89 775.92 778.12 778.32 782.15 782.41 783.75 ES2014d B MEE054 1 762.879 763.618 763.17 763.49 Yeah . 763.49 ES2014d A MEE053 0 772.152 774.001 772.17 773.94 Mm-hmm . Makes sense . 773.24 773.94 ES2014d B MEE054 1 773.347 773.976 773.59 773.94 Okay . 773.94 ES2014d A MEE053 0 784.547 785.024 784.547 785.024 . 785.024 ES2014d A MEE053 0 790.304 793.456 790.41 792.89 Sorry , do you want that back up ? 790.79 792.89 ES2014d D MEE056 3 791.241 794.352 791.77 794.27 Yeah , I just had a presentation to 792.0 ES2014d A MEE053 0 794.736 795.285 794.83 795.24 Right . 795.24 ES2014d D MEE056 3 796.27 797.568 796.38 797.568 do . 797.51 ES2014d C FEE055 2 798.834 806.192 798.99 806.16 But I do think uh the v uh voice recognition thing would be more impressive than the fact that it's got no battery . 806.16 ES2014d A MEE053 0 806.752 813.776 806.88 813.7 Okay , but remember the main the only reason we were planning on having the voice recognition was so that they could find the remote if it got lost . 807.22 813.7 ES2014d D MEE056 3 814.496 817.856 814.53 817.82 Mm-hmm . Mm . Right okay um , 815.55 816.91 817.82 ES2014d D MEE056 3 818.912 838.368 818.98 838.28 This is about the evaluation criteria that we use for the the prototype we've got here . And so the method is that the design team makes a prototype , and we evaluate the prototype against some criteria that we've formulated . And those ones are gonna be in response to sort of market research , and also finance , I guess . 823.8 827.34 831.98 835.45 837.56 838.28 ES2014d D MEE056 3 839.339 847.748 839.339 847.67 And do that on a scale from say true being one and false being seven , so if it's neither true nor false , then that's four . 843.98 846.42 847.67 ES2014d D MEE056 3 855.328 864.92 855.5 864.75 So , I got a set of criteria just based on the marketing that we need to add in a financial one as well , at the end . Um so , 856.58 862.5 863.95 864.75 ES2014d D MEE056 3 865.807 869.827 865.98 869.6 We have to say whether it's true or false that the product looks and feels fancy . 869.6 ES2014d D MEE056 3 870.656 871.408 870.68 871.408 Um - ES2014d D MEE056 3 871.872 877.152 871.97 877.12 The whether the product demonstrates technical innovation . Whether it's easy to use . 875.8 877.12 ES2014d D MEE056 3 878.416 894.252 878.44 894.252 Whether it's incorporating sort of the fashion element to attract the buyer . And whether it's a sort of recognisable Real Reaction product . And I have to go up onto the whiteboard and do this apparently , so I'll go over here . 882.65 886.59 889.5 894.15 ES2014d B MEE054 1 889.312 889.632 889.35 889.6 Okay . 889.6 ES2014d D MEE056 3 902.48 911.664 902.56 911.664 Right . So the first one is um , does the product look and feel fancy . So if we do a sort of a one 903.2 905.96 909.71 ES2014d D MEE056 3 917.712 918.385 917.73 918.385 So - ES2014d B MEE054 1 918.232 926.272 918.31 926.272 Okay , well we have a single curve , which was maybe like the feel of the product's quite good . So uh 918.53 920.12 925.43 ES2014d D MEE056 3 922.64 922.944 922.66 922.91 Yeah . 922.91 ES2014d D MEE056 3 925.552 926.407 925.58 926.19 Okay . 926.19 ES2014d B MEE054 1 927.016 932.384 927.14 932.35 Um , then we have the rubber kinda spongy feel , which was in at the time . 928.56 930.75 932.35 ES2014d D MEE056 3 930.821 931.413 930.93 931.28 Yeah . 931.28 ES2014d D MEE056 3 932.522 933.891 932.68 933.73 Yeah . Yeah . 933.45 933.73 ES2014d B MEE054 1 933.218 935.92 933.4 935.89 Um , sorry that'd be considered fancy . 934.7 935.89 ES2014d C FEE055 2 936.97 938.413 937.04 938.26 Yeah , I'd maybe give it a 937.22 ES2014d C FEE055 2 939.189 940.595 939.4 940.54 a two . 940.54 ES2014d D MEE056 3 941.812 952.192 941.91 952.192 Of but I think What Is one false , or is t one true ? I forgot . One's true , and okay . Seven's fal Four is neutral , okay . So 943.62 944.58 945.97 946.69 947.41 949.73 951.02 ES2014d C FEE055 2 944.66 945.843 944.75 945.63 One's true . 945.63 ES2014d C FEE055 2 947.545 948.914 947.68 948.78 And a four is neutral . 948.78 ES2014d B MEE054 1 951.616 953.132 951.64 952.87 So maybe maybe a two . 952.87 ES2014d C FEE055 2 953.509 961.724 953.55 961.66 Yeah , 'cause we haven't got the double curve , so we can't like say it's completely true . But it's pretty close . We've got almost everything we can . 953.86 955.16 959.11 960.07 961.66 ES2014d A MEE053 0 955.685 960.383 955.685 960.26 Go for one . Yep . 959.18 960.26 ES2014d D MEE056 3 956.494 957.308 956.7 957.21 Right . 957.21 ES2014d D MEE056 3 962.117 966.74 962.27 966.56 Okay . Right . I gonna put underneath so I've got some more space . 963.11 963.68 966.56 ES2014d A MEE053 0 962.887 963.553 963.03 963.4 Okay . 963.4 ES2014d D MEE056 3 968.96 973.085 969.08 973.085 So , false is seven , true is one , and 969.48 971.4 972.75 ES2014d D MEE056 3 976.864 980.509 977.11 980.37 So uh say about a two for fancy , you think ? Okay . 979.58 979.92 980.37 ES2014d B MEE054 1 979.056 979.344 979.08 979.31 Yeah . 979.31 ES2014d C FEE055 2 979.517 980.183 979.61 980.06 Yeah . 980.06 ES2014d A MEE053 0 980.24 983.36 980.26 983.24 Yeah , why not not , m m maybe nearer three . 980.42 981.13 983.24 ES2014d D MEE056 3 983.943 987.606 984.12 987.606 Okay , well d you do an average at the end , I don't know . Um 984.77 986.06 986.82 ES2014d A MEE053 0 984.992 997.572 985.23 997.41 Two three . Well , it's just that uh saying something remember that when you look down , we've got solar power , we've got uh various other things you could have , and we're not going for these options . 987.16 987.49 991.31 992.35 995.56 997.41 ES2014d D MEE056 3 995.088 995.643 995.25 995.53 Uh-huh . 995.53 ES2014d D MEE056 3 996.382 1001.255 996.52 1001.255 This this is just this is just for like the look . Does it sort of look fancy rather than functional . So 998.54 1000.84 ES2014d A MEE053 0 999.052 999.644 999.12 999.47 Mm-hmm . 999.47 ES2014d C FEE055 2 1003.968 1006.848 1003.99 1006.64 Yeah , I suppose that might be in the technical innovation bit . 1004.11 1006.64 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1006.688 1010.91 1006.78 1010.81 Yeah , so that so sh should we go for a a two on that ? 1007.3 1010.81 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1010.912 1011.573 1011.09 1011.46 Okay . 1011.46 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1011.539 1018.642 1011.69 1018.48 'Kay . And I mean , how much does the product demonstrate technical innovation do you reckon ? 1012.43 1014.31 1018.48 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1017.632 1029.696 1017.8 1029.64 Um , deciding between the kinetic power or um the speech recognition , and if we had either of those for our budget , they both show a reasonable amount of speech recognition . 1018.75 1024.61 1026.45 1029.64 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1027.844 1028.843 1027.91 1028.73 D yeah . 1028.73 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1030.192 1037.585 1030.21 1037.41 Okay . So , what about the pr The prototype as it is , we've got we've got the speech recognition on it , haven't we . 1031.5 1031.91 1034.32 1036.9 1037.41 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1034.027 1034.878 1034.28 1034.878 Um - ES2014d B MEE054 1 1037.168 1038.352 1037.19 1038.32 But not the kinetic . 1038.32 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1039.312 1040.704 1039.46 1040.63 But not the kinetic . 1040.63 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1040.288 1041.072 1040.31 1041.04 Like the power . 1041.04 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1040.992 1044.256 1041.2 1044.03 No . 'Cause you can't afford that w we took that out too . 1041.6 1044.03 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1043.008 1045.68 1043.03 1045.45 No , we c ca yeah , we can't afford both . 1043.26 1044.36 1045.45 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1046.912 1048.802 1046.93 1048.802 Alright , so 1047.63 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1047.473 1048.912 1047.55 1048.912 Didn't you ? Or 1048.3 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1049.976 1056.224 1050.15 1056.224 So it doesn't It's pretty The prototype as it is isn't sort of um fulfilling the - ES2014d B MEE054 1 1056.576 1060.24 1056.6 1060.24 No may is maybe about neutral plus it it it's got something , but it hasn't got 1059.41 ES2014d C FEE055 2 1057.431 1058.615 1057.62 1058.5 Maybe a three . 1058.5 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1060.352 1061.732 1060.37 1061.6 Okay . Yeah . 1061.33 1061.6 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1061.617 1078.3 1061.81 1078.26 Well , wait a minute . In thirteen point seven we do have kinetic . The problem is we have to reduce down from there to get it down to twelve point five . And one way of doing that would be to take out the kinetic . So , it's very much dependant on what you do with your options . 1062.0 1062.41 1064.8 1070.31 1073.17 1074.42 1078.26 ES2014d C FEE055 2 1062.425 1064.571 1062.63 1064.47 I would give it more than a four . 1064.47 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1067.674 1068.414 1067.83 1068.17 Right . 1068.17 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1070.005 1070.634 1070.09 1070.55 Okay . 1070.55 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1080.192 1081.338 1080.41 1081.29 Right , okay . 1080.63 1081.29 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1080.409 1097.088 1080.58 1096.55 And if you're definitely going for the sample sensor and sample speaker , then because that the other functions we've got in are are more at the The special material , the rubber , wood , titanium , et cetera , 1084.71 1093.1 1094.64 1094.93 1095.9 1096.55 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1080.474 1081.26 1080.8 1081.09 'Kay . 1081.09 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1098.4 1116.64 1098.42 1116.61 if you go for that , th that's at the high end 'cause that's point six , whereas down at uh just special colours uh is point two . Now you're trying to lose one point two , so it seems to me that if you're going for the sample sensors speaker , you're basically then having to go for the cheaper options on everything else . 1099.63 1101.62 1105.74 1108.02 1112.53 1116.61 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1118.096 1118.592 1118.12 1118.54 Mm-hmm . 1118.54 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1118.672 1119.136 1118.84 1118.95 Okay . 1118.95 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1119.797 1137.216 1120.0 1137.04 And and the simple way to do it would be to have a battery , to have your uh sample sensor speaker , and then you're looking to uh take out uh point two , which would be come from the button supplements category . 1123.97 1127.22 1132.86 1137.04 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1120.007 1121.191 1120.3 1121.191 Um - ES2014d D MEE056 3 1129.935 1130.527 1130.11 1130.38 S - ES2014d D MEE056 3 1131.637 1134.559 1131.77 1134.559 I'm just gonna check my email . 1134.49 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1137.136 1140.672 1137.16 1140.61 I'm just gonna check exactly what it said in the email for um - ES2014d D MEE056 3 1142.406 1144.064 1142.77 1143.81 the product . 1143.81 ES2014d C FEE055 2 1144.288 1147.6 1144.55 1147.56 How much of a difference would it make if we made the case in plastic ? 1147.56 ES2014d C FEE055 2 1151.509 1159.312 1151.6 1159.22 Because we did say that we don't wanna follow the fashion too much . If the buttons are rubber that might be spongy enough . And then it stand the test of time better . 1154.77 1157.26 1159.22 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1157.19 1190.787 1157.52 1190.57 Um , interface type um , well plastic rather than rubber . That that that would make the significant difference . You could either you could have it If you have a in plastic rather than rubber , then that would uh enable you to get you could keep kinetic then , you could keep your sample sensor , and you'd be looking to take out point two . So you could uh fiddle that down your special form at the bottom , or your special colour at the bottom . And that would enable you to to do it . 1158.19 1160.61 1164.56 1166.94 1172.28 1177.22 1179.84 1182.74 1186.31 1188.59 1190.57 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1163.691 1164.911 1163.85 1164.911 Okay . But I 1164.41 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1187.693 1188.47 1187.93 1188.23 Mm-hmm . 1188.23 ES2014d C FEE055 2 1188.017 1188.535 1188.16 1188.42 Mm-hmm . 1188.42 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1191.056 1191.648 1191.1 1191.55 Okay . 1191.55 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1191.54 1200.592 1191.63 1200.592 So it says if we make a slightly more fancy , then we lose points innovation , and if we make it more innovative innovative , then we lose points on it being fancy , so 1194.21 1195.76 1198.23 1199.73 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1197.472 1197.808 1197.5 1197.73 Yeah . 1197.73 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1198.414 1199.043 1198.53 1198.93 Yeah . 1198.93 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1199.056 1199.45 1199.08 1199.4 Ye - ES2014d D MEE056 3 1199.709 1214.727 1199.709 1214.58 , I just read the email again and it sort of says it's evaluate the design sort of as it is , I think , so I think we need to think about finance after we've sort of evaluated that design . I don't know whether we're doing it in the wrong order or something or . 1199.709 1205.58 1205.99 1212.64 1214.58 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1214.752 1216.303 1214.77 1216.303 Well , okay , but 1215.35 1215.89 ES2014d C FEE055 2 1218.032 1219.968 1218.05 1219.93 Well , I suppose it's rubber as it is , isn't it . 1218.14 1219.47 1219.93 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1220.144 1221.64 1220.22 1221.57 It's rubber as it is , yes . 1221.13 1221.57 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1221.585 1227.393 1221.61 1227.24 So , I mean does this need to go up a bit or something , 'cause we've got both the 1222.64 1224.98 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1228.848 1230.128 1228.87 1229.85 both the um - ES2014d A MEE053 0 1231.508 1241.607 1231.66 1241.607 We got we've we've got thirteen point seven and we've got it in at the moment and if and basically , we're going to reduce down from that . But the current one , you'd say would be fancy , would be too 1236.49 1238.1 1238.98 1240.45 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1231.564 1233.043 1231.69 1233.043 the speech - ES2014d C FEE055 2 1231.62 1232.989 1231.96 1232.75 Yeah . 1232.75 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1235.089 1235.754 1235.24 1235.55 Yeah . 1235.55 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1242.096 1242.867 1242.12 1242.76 Yeah , yeah . 1242.56 1242.76 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1242.816 1248.813 1242.84 1248.813 Yeah . Um , for for innovation , so we've got the speech the speech thing , and 1243.26 1243.49 1244.51 1247.54 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1247.608 1248.348 1247.72 1248.31 Mm-hmm . 1248.31 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1250.013 1251.788 1250.16 1251.75 I would've said about a two as well . 1251.75 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1252.4 1253.218 1252.45 1253.02 Do you reckon a two ? 1253.02 ES2014d C FEE055 2 1252.827 1256.05 1253.01 1255.86 Yeah , two or three . I'd be happy with a two . 1253.44 1254.95 1255.86 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1255.141 1262.528 1255.141 1262.528 Okay . Two . And the next one is I'll have to get it back up now . 1257.02 1257.91 1262.34 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1256.375 1256.93 1256.49 1256.88 Oh . 1256.88 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1262.405 1269.26 1262.52 1268.84 The next on Well , I can just sing about . Easy to use . I would've said yes . I would go for a one on that at this point in time . 1263.29 1264.92 1265.8 1266.66 1268.84 ES2014d C FEE055 2 1270.181 1270.847 1270.36 1270.68 Yeah . 1270.68 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1272.128 1272.647 1272.15 1272.6 Okay . 1272.6 ES2014d C FEE055 2 1272.363 1273.752 1272.52 1273.57 Yeah , I would say so as well . 1272.71 1273.57 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1276.659 1283.761 1276.8 1283.64 Um , incorporates elements of fashion to attract buyer . Well , yeah it certainly has some . 1277.33 1281.09 1282.51 1283.64 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1282.062 1282.839 1282.22 1282.839 Um - ES2014d C FEE055 2 1284.091 1287.288 1284.27 1287.18 Yeah , it's got the cherry and the sponginess . 1284.49 1287.18 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1284.538 1286.202 1284.538 1286.202 . 1286.202 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1284.873 1286.24 1285.0 1285.88 It does , yeah . 1285.43 1285.88 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1285.98 1286.608 1286.19 1286.608 Um - ES2014d A MEE053 0 1287.275 1287.756 1287.38 1287.69 Yep . 1287.69 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1288.464 1290.118 1288.5 1289.94 Say about a three maybe ? 1289.94 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1290.752 1291.529 1290.8 1291.48 I don't know . 1291.48 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1290.983 1298.146 1290.983 1298.146 Yeah , m um Yeah , it was just doing it quite well . Um , I think we're gonna have to lose some of these , but the moment , as it stands , it's um 1291.94 1293.46 1294.49 1294.62 1295.91 1296.54 1297.3 ES2014d C FEE055 2 1291.653 1292.874 1291.8 1292.7 Maybe two ? 1292.7 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1294.526 1295.154 1294.66 1295.01 Yep . 1295.01 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1297.573 1300.64 1297.62 1300.43 Yeah , I woulda said two would seem reasonable . 1297.87 1300.43 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1297.923 1298.752 1298.02 1298.6 It's a two . 1298.6 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1302.208 1304.544 1302.24 1304.544 The product is a recognisable real - ES2014d A MEE053 0 1305.648 1309.936 1305.68 1309.28 r uh reaction product ? 1309.28 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1307.805 1308.582 1307.89 1308.582 Yeah , this is 1308.09 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1309.132 1315.824 1309.38 1315.79 Uh the sensor using all of its all of its products , all of its buttons , and it's got a fairly big label on the bottom saying 1312.31 1313.1 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1309.248 1310.172 1309.41 1310.172 This - ES2014d C FEE055 2 1316.181 1318.104 1316.29 1318.104 Yeah , that's a bit rough at the minute . 1316.63 1318.01 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1316.498 1317.127 1316.64 1316.99 Yeah . 1316.99 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1316.864 1317.873 1316.88 1317.84 where it comes from . 1317.84 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1318.048 1327.839 1318.048 1327.839 So this is about sort of the corporate image of like new sort of sleek technology and all that sort of thing , as well as having the logo on and all that . So sort of 1324.92 1326.8 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1319.751 1320.268 1319.92 1320.13 Oh . 1320.13 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1325.049 1325.53 1325.07 1325.47 Okay . 1325.47 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1331.198 1338.486 1331.33 1338.486 Is it sort of a recognisable product . Does it fit in with our other other products , which uh are sort of coffee makers and spacecraft . 1332.86 1334.59 1338.44 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1338.032 1342.665 1338.032 1342.0 S - ES2014d C FEE055 2 1341.083 1345.566 1341.13 1345.44 Uh , well it's got the same um speech feature as the coffee machine . 1341.19 1345.44 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1341.001 1342.443 1341.16 1342.06 What do y - ES2014d B MEE054 1 1345.616 1355.008 1345.82 1354.97 Also it's kind of spongy rubberiness is maybe bit more kinda comfortable than kinda sleek and new age . Um , it depends which way you look at it . 1352.69 1353.93 1354.97 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1351.387 1352.512 1351.55 1352.12 Yeah . 1352.12 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1353.68 1354.235 1353.82 1354.1 Uh-huh . 1354.1 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1355.632 1357.708 1355.65 1357.51 Okay . So we're going for a 1356.57 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1356.381 1356.973 1356.59 1356.973 So - ES2014d B MEE054 1 1358.976 1361.04 1359.0 1360.88 Maybe a kind of three ? Uh d 1360.68 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1359.776 1362.168 1359.8 1362.07 two , three ? 1361.68 1362.07 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1361.449 1362.522 1361.64 1362.31 Two or three ? 1362.31 ES2014d C FEE055 2 1361.599 1371.264 1361.7 1371.23 Yeah , two or three . Well , the logo would be more um recognisable on the actual thing . It's just that the pen wouldn't really write on that paper . But um , 1362.16 1362.96 1363.98 1367.99 1370.59 1371.23 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1369.641 1370.085 1369.73 1370.01 Sure . 1370.01 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1371.296 1371.68 1371.32 1371.65 Yeah . 1371.65 ES2014d C FEE055 2 1372.352 1380.843 1372.37 1380.73 I think the logo would definitely be recognisable . And it does have attributes that other products do . Two ? Aye . Go for it . 1375.08 1378.86 1379.41 1380.05 1380.73 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1380.737 1381.584 1380.9 1381.53 Right , okay . 1381.28 1381.53 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1381.101 1383.32 1381.27 1383.32 Two or three . 1382.38 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1383.344 1389.312 1383.344 1389.312 Two . Right , come on . That's that decided . Right . So 1385.5 1385.76 1386.43 1388.01 1388.9 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1384.304 1385.587 1384.304 1385.587 How - ES2014d D MEE056 3 1386.03 1387.029 1386.11 1386.93 Two . Okay . 1386.44 1386.93 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1390.016 1390.992 1390.08 1390.96 Right . 1390.96 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1390.96 1397.536 1391.08 1397.536 So we're now on to changing it to get it to fit in with the budget requirements , and then 1396.54 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1397.456 1398.432 1397.48 1398.38 Yeah . 1398.38 ES2014d C FEE055 2 1398.155 1402.298 1398.37 1402.1 What does what do all them numbers mean then ? Do we add them up and rate or anything ? 1400.16 1402.1 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1401.354 1414.112 1401.354 1414.05 Yeah we s yeah , I think we sort of add them up so sort of at an average is gonna be I'm just gonna do this in my head . One point eight isn't it or something . I think , anyway . 1402.89 1410.64 1412.94 1413.34 1414.05 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1407.136 1407.936 1407.25 1407.86 About a two . 1407.86 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1409.635 1410.227 1409.75 1410.1 Two . 1410.1 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1415.152 1416.928 1415.2 1416.52 So yeah , pretty close to a two . 1415.55 1416.52 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1417.19 1418.743 1417.4 1418.743 Yeah , so it's 1417.63 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1417.319 1417.985 1417.45 1417.985 So - ES2014d D MEE056 3 1418.832 1426.093 1418.85 1425.61 So it's I mean it's pretty good at the moment , but it's gonna get worse , isn't it . But we've gotta try and make sure it doesn't get too bad . 1421.01 1421.91 1422.25 1425.61 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1422.592 1422.961 1422.61 1422.93 Yep . 1422.93 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1424.56 1434.304 1424.58 1434.304 So should we get So are definite Was it thirteen point seven was the definite price rule if has . Okay , so we need to 1431.81 1432.1 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1424.725 1427.216 1424.86 1426.96 Two b two b two , yeah . 1425.93 1426.96 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1431.091 1431.609 1431.22 1431.56 Yes . 1431.56 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1431.591 1431.961 1431.64 1431.9 Yeah . 1431.9 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1434.827 1441.263 1434.94 1441.16 Well , you can lose one point two and still meet the requirements . 1435.23 1441.16 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1439.36 1442.352 1439.38 1442.29 Do you wanna plug it into yours so we can get up the - ES2014d A MEE053 0 1442.965 1445.665 1443.09 1445.57 Okay , well I put it back on . 1443.56 1445.57 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1444.322 1446.288 1444.43 1446.288 the finances - ES2014d B MEE054 1 1444.315 1447.724 1444.54 1447.67 So I guess this Is this the last stage once we sort out the finances part of it ? 1447.67 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1449.008 1450.32 1449.07 1450.23 I'm not sure . 1450.23 ES2014d C FEE055 2 1451.28 1452.945 1451.28 1452.74 we'll probably have to re-rate it . 1452.74 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1453.212 1454.504 1453.27 1454.43 Yes , I would've thought so . 1453.61 1454.43 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1454.672 1458.176 1454.69 1458.14 Yeah , yeah we'll make the adjustments and then see how are rates are going . 1455.01 1458.14 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1454.709 1455.227 1454.85 1455.01 Yeah . 1455.01 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1458.832 1463.6 1459.02 1463.56 Okay , so what was it , control uh F_ eight , wasn't it ? 1459.98 1461.19 1463.23 1463.56 ES2014d C FEE055 2 1463.413 1464.153 1463.47 1463.98 Ah it's on . 1463.98 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1463.685 1465.28 1463.685 1465.13 it's come on already . 1465.13 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1464.704 1479.793 1464.72 1479.7 Oh . Oh . How kind . Right , okay . So , you can see there that the If you want to keep kinetic , right , you've got a choice there of going down to battery , which would save you one . You've got 1465.32 1465.56 1468.2 1468.47 1469.17 1469.48 1473.06 1473.62 1475.97 1478.85 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1481.84 1485.526 1481.86 1485.46 the sample sensor and and sample speaker , which is your big item . 1483.87 1485.46 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1487.744 1494.352 1487.91 1494.352 Oh actually we just have a plastic case , then we lose two points , which gets us um 1489.59 1491.51 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1490.736 1491.526 1490.8 1491.32 That's right . 1491.32 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1495.093 1495.611 1495.18 1495.48 Mm . 1495.48 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1495.447 1496.896 1495.65 1496.896 Which gets you - ES2014d B MEE054 1 1496.64 1498.096 1496.67 1498.06 In right within the budget range . 1498.06 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1498.192 1498.638 1498.21 1498.57 Yes . 1498.57 ES2014d C FEE055 2 1499.424 1502.921 1499.44 1502.79 Yeah , I think that'd be fine . Because that was just a trend , and we do have rubber buttons anyway . 1499.59 1500.3 1501.32 1502.79 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1502.704 1507.312 1502.72 1507.28 So that's eleven point seven , and then we could make sure we definitely had all the button supplements . 1504.29 1507.28 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1503.472 1503.984 1503.54 1503.93 Yeah . 1503.93 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1507.078 1519.776 1507.24 1519.69 Different different colours , yeah . Yeah , I was I was thinking that because maybe maybe the sort of rubber case is a bit less in sort of the corporate identity than the sort of you know sleeker plastic case . 1508.44 1508.99 1509.2 1519.69 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1507.127 1507.792 1507.26 1507.68 Alright . 1507.68 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1517.677 1518.491 1517.7 1518.36 Possibly , yeah . 1518.09 1518.36 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1519.856 1520.452 1519.88 1520.452 Um - ES2014d C FEE055 2 1519.863 1520.752 1520.07 1520.43 Yeah . 1520.43 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1522.08 1523.526 1522.1 1523.526 Okay , so 1522.64 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1522.005 1527.744 1522.32 1527.744 And that would allow us to have all the technical innovations . So we'd lose a little bit on the maybe kind of 1524.43 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1527.54 1529.168 1527.67 1529.07 So we're going for plastic , yes ? 1528.73 1529.07 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1528.714 1530.8 1528.714 1530.8 Lose a little bit on the fashion , yeah , but 1530.28 1530.58 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1530.8 1531.232 1530.82 1531.17 Yep . 1531.17 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1532.955 1536.576 1533.08 1536.576 Oh yeah , and that would now be Yeah , that's that's within the budget . Um 1533.45 1534.31 1535.97 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1532.894 1533.56 1533.08 1533.56 And then - ES2014d B MEE054 1 1538.048 1543.104 1538.07 1543.05 Do we actually have Do we just have one special uh special forms down here ? 1543.05 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1543.04 1553.475 1543.06 1553.35 Well , uh w uh there was debate as to how you would count them . You got special colour . Well originally I was assuming we had the red apple , and therefore , that was the special colour . 1544.0 1547.65 1548.8 1551.55 1552.02 1553.35 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1547.396 1548.062 1547.396 1548.062 Um - ES2014d C FEE055 2 1553.392 1555.264 1553.41 1555.23 Yeah , I think we should just imagine white buttons . 1553.6 1555.23 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1553.828 1560.745 1553.828 1560.745 And we we've we've got we've got enough for another we've got nought point eight left , so we've got enough for another 1559.26 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1557.712 1558.208 1557.73 1558.17 Yeah . 1558.17 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1559.84 1577.74 1559.86 1577.59 Well , we've got special form . Now that would be one button , and the question was was that all buttons or is that just one button . 'Cause our plan really was to have one button only with a special So so no matter how you look at that , that would be the same . The other thing would then be special material , rubber , wood , titanium . 1560.12 1561.46 1562.74 1566.63 1573.59 1574.35 1576.29 1576.62 1576.87 1577.59 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1570.544 1571.584 1570.56 1571.584 Yeah , um 1571.1 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1572.43 1576.166 1572.78 1576.166 But the but but but the - ES2014d B MEE054 1 1577.568 1590.293 1577.59 1590.2 I think maybe the special colour , we've got three now just because the volume buttons are different , I guess we'd have the ones which are blue at the moment would would just be the standard colour . Yeah , which I think we should Yeah , they'll still be fine for the for the price . 1578.66 1582.31 1586.98 1587.33 1588.14 1590.2 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1580.784 1581.672 1580.89 1581.62 Yeah . 1581.62 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1584.067 1587.174 1584.2 1586.97 Alright . So , special colour , you want three in there . 1584.97 1585.28 1585.97 1586.97 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1589.727 1590.429 1589.85 1590.38 Okay . 1590.38 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1589.885 1599.318 1590.02 1599.08 Well I thin I think you you you just need two for the special colour 'cause it's just two supplements , you know . One original colour and then sort of two supplements , I think maybe . 1594.17 1594.35 1598.24 1599.08 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1598.512 1599.872 1598.512 1599.83 That makes sense . 1599.83 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1599.92 1601.312 1599.95 1601.28 Okay , uh that's probably it . 1600.39 1601.28 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1600.182 1609.578 1600.29 1609.48 Okay . So we only ne we only need two for that . 'Cause I mean these these are moulded . The one colour's gonna be moulded out of a piece of plas uh of rubber , isn't it . 1601.23 1603.5 1605.7 1609.06 1609.48 ES2014d C FEE055 2 1600.29 1601.0 1600.48 1600.85 Yeah . 1600.85 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1602.923 1603.959 1603.02 1603.6 Okay . 1603.6 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1609.04 1613.2 1609.07 1612.81 Okay . Yeah , I would agree with that , I think . So special colours , two . 1609.66 1609.85 1610.53 1611.54 1612.46 1612.81 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1614.202 1614.794 1614.43 1614.64 Right . 1614.64 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1614.544 1629.573 1614.56 1629.49 And we've got special form is the one apple . The rest are all standard , although you could argue that should maybe be You were making these buttons down the bottom , I was presuming , bigger than the other ones , or were you ? Was that the idea ? 1618.94 1620.51 1625.5 1626.27 1627.33 1628.39 1629.49 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1628.279 1629.635 1628.32 1629.635 Ne uh - ES2014d C FEE055 2 1629.52 1631.904 1629.54 1631.76 Yeah , the volume ones should stand out a bit . 1629.83 1631.76 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1630.486 1635.328 1630.71 1635.24 Maybe that'll be a second supplement . Then there's a spe a second special form . 1633.11 1635.24 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1632.956 1633.585 1633.02 1633.585 Yeah , that 1633.29 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1635.952 1644.093 1635.98 1644.093 Uh-huh . I would have thought that's probably about r well . 1636.67 1644.0 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1635.916 1636.545 1636.03 1636.47 Yeah . 1636.47 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1636.595 1637.742 1636.76 1637.742 Um - ES2014d B MEE054 1 1638.926 1640.553 1638.95 1639.95 Well you got you got twelve . 1639.95 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1646.048 1647.083 1646.17 1646.89 Okay , so tha 1646.55 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1648.096 1651.568 1648.12 1651.53 So I think that should still be okay . Yeah , that's twelve point three , so we're still 1649.17 1649.89 1650.8 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1649.705 1650.26 1649.89 1650.14 Right . 1650.14 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1652.72 1656.094 1653.09 1656.094 within budget on that . Um 1655.45 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1654.384 1656.882 1654.4 1656.81 Yep , that makes sense . 1655.44 1656.81 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1658.928 1666.828 1658.97 1666.828 So decide we've lost a little bit on the fashion and lost a bit on the fancy kinda side of it , but generally speaking , we've kept the other attributes to the 1663.46 1664.51 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1662.928 1663.524 1662.95 1663.27 Yep . 1663.27 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1666.656 1674.535 1666.68 1674.46 I woulda said so . Yeah . So you'd maybe put fash fan uh fashion at three rather than two . 1667.76 1667.98 1674.46 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1670.935 1672.156 1670.96 1672.156 That's without - ES2014d D MEE056 3 1672.921 1677.504 1673.29 1677.504 So shall we do a Well , um 1676.19 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1673.746 1674.597 1673.78 1674.42 Yeah . 1674.42 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1675.929 1683.184 1675.929 1683.13 And specially it definitely could fits the the real product What was the what's the company name ? 1683.13 ES2014d C FEE055 2 1684.393 1685.873 1684.45 1685.48 Real Reactions ? 1685.48 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1684.896 1689.248 1684.92 1689.248 Real Reaction produ I'm not quite sure , what does that mean ? 1687.62 1689.07 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1685.403 1694.992 1685.42 1694.96 R yeah . Yeah , yeah . I mean it still seems definitely fit that p so that's like if that's the new age kind of um inno innovative 1686.63 1687.69 1688.67 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1686.41 1687.224 1686.49 1687.12 Yeah . 1687.12 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1695.759 1697.091 1695.86 1697.091 Yeah , so 1696.45 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1696.168 1703.156 1696.46 1703.156 c type company , then um having the kinetic feature and the voice recognition is p quite high up on 1697.44 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1700.949 1701.393 1701.09 1701.393 Uh - ES2014d A MEE053 0 1701.524 1703.596 1701.62 1703.32 Yep I would s - ES2014d D MEE056 3 1702.464 1720.8 1702.48 1720.8 So it's w if we've if we've put in for another special form on a button , then maybe they could be a different shape . Like we got a cherry one . Maybe other ones could be something else shaped . I don't know . That would be poss seeing as seeing as it's cheaper to make them a different 1707.24 1710.92 1712.71 1716.7 1717.43 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1717.583 1718.286 1717.64 1718.286 Um - ES2014d A MEE053 0 1717.787 1718.56 1717.99 1718.56 You mean of - ES2014d D MEE056 3 1721.92 1735.936 1721.92 1735.9 seeing as we've got , you know , we've made it a a special form , so And that would sort of maybe keep us close on the sort of the fashion type one . And it would sort of , you know , keep it quite fancy as well , I don't know . 1723.33 1723.83 1725.61 1732.59 1733.72 1734.16 1735.49 1735.9 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1735.536 1736.038 1735.58 1735.82 Mm-hmm . 1735.82 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1735.798 1753.646 1735.91 1753.43 Well you could argue you might do it once a year , you would change , because at the moment you're making a red apple . So next year you could make next year's model the same , but have it as a a yeah whate whatever , a lemon . Yeah , l a lemon lemon or something . And that 1738.1 1740.01 1742.57 1745.83 1750.13 1750.7 1751.01 1752.99 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1742.064 1743.547 1742.11 1743.547 Yeah so it's a - ES2014d D MEE056 3 1742.055 1742.758 1742.16 1742.758 Well you could - ES2014d D MEE056 3 1747.264 1747.792 1747.28 1747.67 Yeah . 1747.67 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1748.112 1751.671 1748.13 1751.671 Whatever fruit was in fashion next year . 1751.28 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1752.45 1756.56 1752.45 1756.56 Yeah , I mean the volume buttons could be lemons or something , maybe . 1753.06 1754.98 1756.4 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1756.087 1756.679 1756.19 1756.679 amount - ES2014d D MEE056 3 1757.296 1757.855 1757.32 1757.77 Okay . 1757.77 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1759.312 1762.945 1759.33 1762.88 So , we've what have we what have we rid of . We got rid of 1760.51 1761.92 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1763.721 1764.992 1763.88 1764.94 the plastic . 1764.94 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1765.264 1769.329 1765.28 1769.329 Yeah , we've the main thing we've changed really is the casing isn't it ? We've 1765.54 1768.57 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1765.838 1767.54 1765.92 1767.33 Is it The rubber . 1767.33 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1766.176 1773.709 1766.46 1773.58 That yeah , that was uh that was just about all . I think we've saved quite a bit because we've just got the push-button interface , which is by far the cheapest . 1766.8 1769.42 1772.14 1773.58 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1768.576 1769.242 1768.71 1769.12 Yeah . 1769.12 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1774.144 1774.656 1774.17 1774.57 Yeah . 1774.57 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1774.768 1775.44 1774.79 1775.44 Um - ES2014d D MEE056 3 1776.958 1777.846 1777.11 1777.846 But uh - ES2014d B MEE054 1 1776.92 1788.544 1777.3 1788.51 So maybe in a sense not having that , maybe we've lost some maybe lost something on the innovation side ? I dunno . And that is like the most standard type of button . 1779.1 1783.83 1785.08 1788.51 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1788.955 1791.914 1789.11 1791.76 So I mean , we've got we got rid of the rubber case , but 1789.37 1791.2 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1792.768 1807.325 1792.79 1807.19 we've now s we now sort of got an extra form , and an extra colour for the buttons . So maybe in terms of sort of fanciness and fashionability , we're pretty much the same , maybe . So , I mean we could maybe put two again on them . 1795.94 1798.17 1802.53 1804.26 1804.66 1804.88 1807.19 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1803.776 1804.128 1803.8 1804.07 Yeah . 1804.07 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1809.728 1812.363 1809.75 1812.363 And everything else has stayed pretty much the same , so 1811.7 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1811.376 1813.29 1811.58 1813.16 Well , ease has certainly stayed . 1811.87 1813.16 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1813.6 1817.04 1813.62 1817.0 Yeah , plus if anything that is special forms makes it slightly easier to 1813.79 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1813.984 1814.576 1814.11 1814.32 Yeah . 1814.32 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1816.952 1817.396 1816.99 1817.29 Yeah . 1817.29 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1817.424 1820.144 1817.59 1820.05 Yeah . And what about the sort of innovation ? 1818.57 1820.05 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1818.048 1818.592 1818.07 1818.56 to use . 1818.56 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1820.656 1823.699 1820.68 1823.699 Um , well we've still got the kinetic energy . Um 1821.01 1822.65 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1820.647 1821.35 1820.7 1821.35 Do you think - ES2014d D MEE056 3 1822.756 1823.977 1822.756 1823.86 Okay . 1823.86 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1823.76 1825.238 1823.78 1825.12 And the speech feature . 1825.12 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1825.068 1826.416 1825.28 1826.23 Yeah , the speech feature . 1825.56 1826.23 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1826.54 1829.104 1826.54 1829.03 And then , the corporate identity . 1827.81 1829.03 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1829.632 1831.848 1829.65 1831.848 I think we've cut just about the same . We've maybe lost 1830.84 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1832.699 1836.842 1832.85 1836.842 Hasn't it It's hard to tell how the rubber the rubber casing would really affect - ES2014d A MEE053 0 1835.404 1837.883 1835.5 1837.81 How it would play out , yeah . Oh . 1836.83 1837.54 1837.81 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1837.285 1840.128 1837.39 1840.05 Yeah . Whether whether that's considered to be sort of 1837.89 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1842.16 1844.272 1842.18 1844.272 part of the corporate identity , I don't know . 1843.49 1844.18 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1845.232 1846.624 1845.26 1846.624 I mean , it's maybe not . I mean 1845.42 1846.15 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1845.202 1845.978 1845.34 1845.978 Um - ES2014d B MEE054 1 1846.977 1853.747 1847.08 1853.747 But I think more the the features of the actual control will be more important than maybe than the the actual aesthetics , but 1853.41 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1851.904 1852.4 1851.93 1852.36 Yeah . 1852.36 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1853.793 1854.533 1853.92 1854.37 Yeah . 1854.37 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1855.374 1858.752 1855.52 1858.752 But either way , I think we've made it fairly close to what 1855.92 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1858.491 1860.081 1858.68 1860.081 Yeah . Okay , well I mean 1859.08 1859.49 ES2014d C FEE055 2 1859.292 1861.584 1859.45 1861.53 Yeah , I don't see how we could make it any more . 1859.65 1861.53 ES2014d C FEE055 2 1862.576 1863.879 1862.6 1863.8 Um , apart from maybe 1862.84 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1862.463 1863.055 1862.65 1862.97 We cou - ES2014d C FEE055 2 1865.088 1868.281 1865.11 1868.11 doing the whole thing in the kinda light shade of blue , like the casing . 1867.42 1868.11 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1868.899 1869.417 1868.98 1869.28 Mm-hmm . 1869.28 ES2014d C FEE055 2 1870.944 1872.768 1870.96 1872.63 But then what colour would you make the R_s ? 1872.63 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1874.064 1879.761 1874.064 1879.65 just the the company logo . So maybe there's like a set design which we get printed off . 1876.23 1879.65 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1878.835 1891.008 1878.96 1890.88 Well , but you've got the company logo on there , which would effectively be a stick-on badge . So you're in a sense , you're comparing the product without the company logo . And then y but you've got the space for it to stick it on . 1879.14 1880.92 1883.81 1884.92 1887.52 1890.88 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1878.577 1879.76 1878.96 1879.32 Yeah . 1879.32 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1883.534 1884.274 1883.75 1884.22 Okay . 1884.22 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1887.27 1888.157 1887.45 1887.89 Yeah . 1887.89 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1889.664 1890.589 1889.82 1890.49 Yeah , yeah . 1890.21 1890.49 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1890.801 1895.018 1891.02 1895.018 Hey , what what what's the company colour ? Did you get told what the company colour is or 1891.13 1892.54 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1894.272 1896.88 1894.38 1896.85 I'm still not quite sure we've established that . 1896.85 ES2014d C FEE055 2 1897.12 1899.985 1897.14 1899.58 No , I just We got the logo off the web browser . 1897.25 1899.58 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1897.376 1943.499 1897.67 1943.31 Don't think so . But but i but in the sense that , as you saw with um the Windows logo badge , it doesn't really matter . There's virtually n The way that you frame , you know , the Windows badge on there , it really doesn't matter what colour it is , so long as our company's logo is framed w in the same way as that with a like a black outline . Fact , they've got black and white or black and silver . So basically , even if you had a silver the same colour of silver on your display , because you've got effectively a double edging on the uh on the logo , it means that it splits off what your logo is from the from the product . And that's actually quite a sneaky way of doing it . 1898.25 1900.26 1903.9 1905.33 1908.41 1908.89 1911.74 1914.78 1921.2 1921.38 1925.15 1926.09 1931.58 1935.83 1939.98 1943.31 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1900.373 1901.667 1900.78 1901.42 Oh right . 1901.42 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1913.168 1913.568 1913.2 1913.44 Hmm . 1913.44 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1919.561 1920.226 1919.74 1920.06 Mm-hmm . 1920.06 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1925.035 1926.7 1925.2 1926.7 Mm . 1926.24 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1941.016 1942.088 1941.17 1941.86 Okay . 1941.86 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1943.437 1948.52 1943.57 1948.43 Uh-huh . 'Cause you've got sort of we've got point two to play with if you really wanted to . 1944.43 1948.43 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1948.594 1971.344 1948.72 1971.24 You could put in another Well , in this one , you've actually got three colours of buttons . Well , we decided that the blue ones were the um the standard colour . So you were talking about uh um We're assuming that all the buttons on the second panel , the hidden away panel , would all be standard . 1951.16 1951.79 1954.3 1954.43 1959.52 1968.35 1969.94 1971.24 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1949.592 1952.663 1949.84 1952.37 Another colour . Or would that be t 1950.76 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1953.772 1954.623 1953.91 1954.34 Yeah . 1954.34 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1958.928 1959.568 1958.95 1959.47 Okay . 1959.47 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1971.536 1971.872 1971.57 1971.84 Yeah . 1971.84 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1971.792 1972.384 1971.81 1972.16 Yeah . 1972.16 ES2014d C FEE055 2 1972.864 1973.641 1973.07 1973.55 Mm-hmm . 1973.55 ES2014d A MEE053 0 1972.752 1973.808 1973.14 1973.58 Which - ES2014d A MEE053 0 1975.296 1977.664 1975.32 1977.56 m may or may not be the case . 1977.56 ES2014d D MEE056 3 1977.347 1982.448 1977.53 1982.448 Yeah . Shall we save the point two for profitability then ? 1978.11 1982.25 ES2014d B MEE054 1 1978.016 1978.72 1978.15 1978.72 Um - ES2014d A MEE053 0 1980.72 1995.43 1980.74 1995.0 Well , yeah . Bu but but uh was the was there not a button that you were thinking of on the um on the other opt you know , on the second page , as it were , that uh you were thinking of maybe having as a different colour ? 1980.97 1981.4 1988.97 1990.28 1991.65 1995.0 ES2014d C FEE055 2 1996.064 2004.942 1996.08 2004.75 Um , I don't think they would really need to be . I think if they were just all small round blue buttons , it'd be fine . Needs to be an enter button , but could just be the same as well . 1996.56 1998.29 2001.03 2002.07 2003.37 2004.75 ES2014d B MEE054 1 2001.59 2002.928 2001.79 2002.928 Yeah , maybe we've m 2001.92 ES2014d B MEE054 1 2004.816 2017.398 2004.84 2017.28 Maybe for the the one they're gonna see all the time , we make it look good , and um , fit the kind of idea of what they want . And then for the more functional buttons , we don't worry too much about that and just have that as like a plus it's hidden away anyway , you're not gonna see it at the start . 2007.02 2008.22 2009.25 2011.47 2012.97 2016.14 2017.28 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2008.704 2009.008 2008.72 2008.96 Hmm . 2008.96 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2017.044 2033.357 2017.13 2033.24 Yeah . I mean it's the sort of thing that , I mean , you wanna pick up the controller and just hit a button quickly to change the channel or volume . So , if it's dead obvious , then that's fine . But if you're opening the panel and you're looking and you're tuning , then you're paying a bit more attention . So it may be sort of different colour buttons isn't so important . 2017.66 2019.06 2019.28 2023.88 2024.64 2025.58 2026.12 2028.81 2030.17 2033.24 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2021.828 2022.938 2021.96 2022.938 Yeah , well 2022.57 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2033.37 2034.479 2033.52 2034.4 Alright . Okay . 2034.01 2034.4 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2033.949 2035.243 2034.05 2035.15 'Cause you Yeah . 2035.15 ES2014d B MEE054 1 2035.808 2036.08 2035.83 2036.04 Yeah . 2036.04 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2036.477 2039.621 2036.52 2039.08 So we just add that to profitability in effect . 2039.08 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2036.377 2037.265 2036.52 2037.265 So - ES2014d D MEE056 3 2039.152 2042.908 2039.26 2042.908 Yeah , I mean so we've dropped the cost , but 2039.66 2042.51 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2039.621 2044.911 2039.621 2044.88 Right , so we're meant to finish up in five minutes . 2042.89 2044.88 ES2014d C FEE055 2 2040.009 2040.786 2040.26 2040.6 Mm-hmm . 2040.6 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2045.053 2053.088 2045.17 2053.088 Same sort of function ? The criteria ? It's alright . Just made a load of money . 2046.51 2049.01 2049.93 2053.03 ES2014d B MEE054 1 2049.698 2050.327 2049.82 2050.23 'Kay . 2050.23 ES2014d C FEE055 2 2062.24 2067.184 2062.26 2067.15 Shouldn't we maybe lose a point on fashion , go to a three ? 'Cause we've lost the overall spongy feel . 2064.15 2065.37 2067.15 ES2014d C FEE055 2 2068.288 2072.625 2068.32 2072.625 'Cause it doesn't seem right that it just hasn't changed at all . 2072.4 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2071.782 2073.632 2071.96 2073.51 Well , but I think we said that w 2072.14 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2074.482 2082.789 2074.61 2082.63 Because you got rid of the rubber , we put an extra an extra sort of fruit um shape on one of the buttons . le lemon sh 2075.63 2081.37 ES2014d C FEE055 2 2081.17 2085.399 2081.36 2085.29 Alright . Did we decide what that was , which button it was ? On the volume ones ? 2082.05 2083.25 2084.45 2085.29 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2083.898 2094.619 2084.09 2094.619 I think well , we could have lemon shaped ones with the volume ones or something . Or something like that . Yeah . 2084.98 2090.63 2092.07 2094.52 ES2014d C FEE055 2 2086.842 2090.574 2086.842 2090.574 Right . 2090.38 ES2014d B MEE054 1 2088.827 2092.156 2088.827 2092.07 Uh , . That's good . 2091.08 2091.08 2092.07 ES2014d B MEE054 1 2095.215 2096.287 2095.24 2096.21 Definitely lemon shaped . 2096.21 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2105.472 2110.08 2105.49 2109.92 Did did you have to have a rubber case , though , for rubber buttons ? Or was it the other way around ? 2107.8 2107.95 2108.89 2109.92 ES2014d B MEE054 1 2110.602 2114.761 2110.67 2114.61 You had to have rubber buttons if you had the rubber case . So I think we can we're okay . 2113.22 2114.61 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2112.579 2113.8 2112.73 2113.62 Right , okay . 2113.16 2113.62 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2112.911 2115.574 2113.01 2115.34 Mm-hmm . So we're okay this way around . 2114.1 2115.34 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2115.354 2115.909 2115.53 2115.74 Yeah . 2115.74 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2118.277 2120.829 2118.46 2120.65 So that so we've saved - ES2014d A MEE053 0 2119.199 2124.267 2119.48 2124.267 Until the design team comes in and says , get off . But you are the design team . 2121.4 2121.9 2123.81 ES2014d B MEE054 1 2123.984 2125.981 2124.12 2125.9 Then we say it's fine , so it's all good . 2124.93 2125.9 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2127.647 2130.199 2127.98 2130.03 Saved two Euros on that . 2130.03 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2152.602 2155.08 2152.65 2154.62 So what bit are we on to ? 2154.62 ES2014d C FEE055 2 2159.249 2168.16 2159.46 2168.16 Um , can I just check if that's a cherry or an apple ? Did we decide against the apple because of Apple Mac ? And did we make it a cherry officially ? Right . 2159.61 2162.9 2165.16 2167.54 2167.81 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2165.713 2170.226 2165.81 2170.09 Yeah . I th I th Oh . Right , okay . 2166.81 2169.08 2169.54 2170.09 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2166.959 2167.514 2167.07 2167.32 Mm-hmm . 2167.32 ES2014d B MEE054 1 2170.516 2175.571 2170.54 2175.571 Just in case we need that point two for lawsuits and such like . 2175.45 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2180.16 2183.052 2180.38 2182.93 Oh drats , I've botched that , haven't I . 2181.59 2182.43 2182.93 ES2014d C FEE055 2 2209.904 2212.4 2209.92 2212.32 So were we aiming for a certain target on that scale ? 2212.32 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2213.568 2216.272 2213.81 2216.18 Well , we're aiming for um one for all of them . 2213.97 2216.18 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2217.44 2220.176 2217.46 2220.176 M but it really has to fit into the budget , so 2219.51 ES2014d C FEE055 2 2217.465 2218.242 2217.7 2218.05 Right . 2218.05 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2220.91 2223.203 2221.03 2223.1 I guess we just have to adjust things to - ES2014d D MEE056 3 2223.999 2225.216 2224.11 2225.216 get it i in the - ES2014d D MEE056 3 2226.625 2228.302 2226.77 2228.302 Which is fair enough . 2228.13 ES2014d B MEE054 1 2227.589 2230.672 2227.68 2230.64 And we seem to have least something in each criteria . 2230.64 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2231.365 2231.809 2231.48 2231.75 Yeah . 2231.75 ES2014d B MEE054 1 2231.743 2233.536 2231.82 2233.536 We haven't completely left anything out , so 2233.24 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2233.899 2234.935 2234.02 2234.76 Yeah , I think 2234.24 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2235.896 2237.006 2236.11 2237.006 most - ES2014d B MEE054 1 2236.176 2239.403 2236.176 2239.37 As an overall product which has to be quite cheap , we've just about achieved 2238.15 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2239.063 2239.729 2239.16 2239.49 Yeah . 2239.49 ES2014d B MEE054 1 2240.63 2241.222 2240.68 2241.09 everything . 2241.09 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2240.987 2242.176 2241.17 2241.78 Yep . 2241.78 ES2014d C FEE055 2 2251.188 2253.074 2251.28 2252.91 So do we have anything else to discuss ? 2252.91 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2254.432 2256.803 2254.432 2256.64 I don't know . What's on the agenda ? 2255.48 2256.64 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2264.174 2267.056 2264.23 2267.056 Right , okay um 2265.19 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2268.65 2270.224 2269.36 2270.16 What's happened here ? 2270.16 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2284.16 2286.904 2284.22 2286.904 Right , okay um 2284.66 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2296.048 2296.723 2296.14 2296.65 Mm . 2296.65 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2303.087 2308.928 2303.3 2308.928 Right , okay um , Right . So we got 2303.64 2307.61 2308.11 ES2014d B MEE054 1 2311.013 2312.27 2311.13 2312.12 We've got the closing . 2312.12 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2311.488 2312.944 2311.54 2312.82 So we've done the - ES2014d A MEE053 0 2314.0 2320.911 2314.02 2320.67 the finance bit and the Excel project and the We've done the redesign . So we're now on to project process . 2317.85 2320.67 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2320.911 2338.593 2321.36 2338.25 Now satisfaction with , for example , room for creativity , leadership , teamwork , means , et cetera , whiteboard , digital pens , et cetera . So , we're actually now uh , in a sense , on to the evaluation of the course rather than the evaluation of the project is m my understanding of it . 2322.34 2323.33 2324.37 2324.99 2326.03 2326.27 2326.66 2327.11 2327.86 2328.94 2329.18 2330.72 2332.06 2338.25 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2336.528 2336.944 2336.55 2336.85 Uh-huh . 2336.85 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2338.593 2348.632 2339.27 2348.632 So what did you and remembering that nobody's just over the curtain . So , um 2346.94 2347.63 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2350.432 2353.247 2350.47 2353.247 Finish your meeting now . 2353.04 ES2014d B MEE054 1 2353.69 2355.344 2353.76 2355.344 We should just go through this quickly and then - ES2014d C FEE055 2 2354.229 2354.71 2354.27 2354.55 Huh . 2354.55 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2355.504 2355.84 2355.52 2355.81 Yeah . 2355.81 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2355.76 2356.208 2355.78 2356.208 So - ES2014d A MEE053 0 2359.584 2365.019 2359.6 2364.91 I suppose the easiest way of doing it is to put some notes down , which I will do . 2364.15 2364.91 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2366.314 2367.128 2366.39 2366.9 Okay . 2366.9 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2367.572 2374.6 2367.59 2374.6 So , uh I think I have to finish that page . Right , okay , so 2368.16 2372.77 2373.03 2373.77 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2372.432 2374.174 2372.51 2374.174 Oh . 2373.95 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2382.339 2385.964 2382.49 2385.964 Project evaluation . So , um 2383.68 2385.07 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2389.331 2390.699 2389.47 2390.39 Creativity . 2390.39 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2392.068 2397.476 2392.12 2397.476 Did you feel you got a chance to express yourselves well enough ? Well um 2396.52 ES2014d B MEE054 1 2395.76 2397.049 2395.9 2396.88 Um , yeah . Yeah . 2396.16 2396.63 2396.88 ES2014d C FEE055 2 2396.36 2397.063 2396.5 2396.91 Yeah . 2396.91 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2397.792 2403.312 2397.81 2403.21 I thought some of the divisions though between sort of the individual meetings were a bit arbitrary . 2403.21 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2404.464 2406.757 2404.48 2406.4 Individual meetings . How do you mean ? 2405.84 2406.4 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2406.051 2410.12 2406.2 2409.97 Yeah . Well , we were finding out various things in 2407.05 2407.91 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2410.9 2412.08 2411.08 2411.96 In you on your own . 2411.96 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2411.381 2438.023 2411.381 2437.85 in be in-between the meetings , and they didn't the one meeting didn't always follow on for the other one , you know , sort of we had things thrown in at the second meeting where , you know , you'd looked at the remote controls and seen the curviness , but in the first one you'd also looked at some remote controls and looked at the buttons , and I don't understand why it would be in separate meetings that you'd do that . You know , you'd sort of you'd probably present it at one or something like that . 2413.25 2417.73 2417.97 2422.41 2423.32 2425.91 2430.75 2434.29 2434.5 2437.85 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2421.992 2423.138 2422.09 2423.138 Um - ES2014d A MEE053 0 2438.704 2455.264 2438.74 2455.264 Mm , The only thing you find is in a manufacturing process , you would normally , you go to a meeting , you decide , right , you do this , you do that , you do that . Then you go away . You find out information . You then come back . You then discuss it . You then go and change things around , and then go back . So 2439.61 2442.34 2443.42 2444.41 2444.87 2445.0 2445.48 2445.92 2446.67 2448.37 2449.79 2450.59 2451.57 2453.99 2454.85 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2445.897 2446.896 2446.13 2446.77 Yeah . 2446.77 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2451.705 2452.482 2451.93 2452.28 Uh-huh . 2452.28 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2454.738 2455.441 2454.84 2455.15 Yeah . 2455.15 ES2014d B MEE054 1 2454.802 2459.944 2454.95 2459.81 Yeah , I suppose and then be going out and finding more information each time and then diff things will be relevant . 2455.06 2459.81 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2458.048 2489.264 2458.048 2489.264 Whereas , this time , you're really getting it from a database source , so it's not uh well uh Anyway , so , what do you want to put down ? I've put , seemed okay . Creativity , seemed okay . Um um flow of information on on any given subject given subject um sometimes disjointed . 2459.12 2459.46 2460.96 2463.16 2463.5 2466.59 2466.9 2467.57 2468.17 2469.07 2489.16 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2458.511 2459.51 2458.64 2459.28 Yeah . 2459.28 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2461.504 2462.359 2461.56 2462.12 Yeah . 2462.12 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2488.488 2489.376 2488.63 2489.05 Yeah . 2489.05 ES2014d C FEE055 2 2490.806 2498.016 2490.99 2497.98 I think it maybe could have been a slightly more creative project . I mean a remote control isn't the most um 2494.81 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2499.776 2501.213 2499.8 2501.16 Yeah , the thing itself . 2500.09 2501.16 ES2014d C FEE055 2 2500.239 2502.487 2500.33 2502.37 kind of fancy thing that you could imagine designing . 2502.37 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2501.045 2502.377 2501.07 2502.377 Um - ES2014d C FEE055 2 2503.226 2505.609 2503.35 2505.4 I can't think of a better example at the minute . 2505.4 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2503.211 2504.173 2503.39 2504.07 Yeah . 2504.07 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2504.929 2510.992 2505.01 2510.7 Have could have used a different - ES2014d A MEE053 0 2512.224 2519.052 2512.35 2519.052 example pel to increase create - ES2014d D MEE056 3 2517.04 2517.456 2517.09 2517.42 Yeah . 2517.42 ES2014d B MEE054 1 2517.596 2521.328 2517.74 2521.25 Is this go It kinda kis fits the purpose that it was something everyone knows about and then - ES2014d A MEE053 0 2521.584 2522.944 2521.62 2522.43 Creativity . 2522.43 ES2014d B MEE054 1 2522.219 2525.507 2522.24 2525.37 something we can at least look at and think how we can improve on . 2525.37 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2524.314 2525.054 2524.41 2524.69 Mm-hmm . 2524.69 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2524.464 2528.048 2524.66 2528.048 You have to do it within a set time frame is the other thing , so 2526.97 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2527.193 2548.093 2527.27 2548.093 Yeah . But think like it was a bit restrictive just to say that you have to design a television remote control , in a way . I mean it depends what sort of business you're in , I guess . I mean this one seems . From the website it looks it's quite innovative , but we're coming up with some bucket shop product aren't we that's , you know , fifteen quid . 2528.46 2534.23 2534.62 2536.09 2536.53 2537.97 2541.14 2544.63 2546.45 2547.92 ES2014d B MEE054 1 2545.52 2549.395 2545.52 2549.395 one of those things . Like uh , companies can have like a range of products and 2546.54 2547.13 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2550.039 2552.144 2550.49 2551.78 I th I uh d - ES2014d B MEE054 1 2550.541 2554.8 2550.541 2554.8 I don't know how it works but I guess that something got sent out and have like a brief to kind of - ES2014d A MEE053 0 2555.504 2619.24 2555.54 2618.85 But the other thing is that uh they're I'm guessing that they're trying to use this um software to to demonstrate how you could uh do a project . I mean , m my wife at the moment , for instance , is uh acting as a computer um for um you normally , you got a problem , so you go to your tutor and find out information to see how to get it fixed . So what she's doing is she's having to spend a day at the computer terminal at one end so that any student that comes along can uh ask whatever question . And then you or the idea is that the whichever uh person's at the other end can point them in the right direction , show them where to either give them directly give them help , or secondly , point them in the right direction , either at the library , or uh or or come back , or go and see Joe Bloggs , or whatever . 2569.97 2570.23 2571.38 2572.16 2579.4 2580.11 2585.25 2597.95 2607.09 2609.95 2610.78 2612.61 2613.49 2616.6 2618.22 2618.85 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2569.794 2570.608 2569.99 2570.49 Yeah . 2570.49 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2583.818 2584.452 2584.0 2584.35 Mm-hmm . 2584.35 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2619.24 2640.24 2619.35 2640.24 So uh , and that was a project I suspect similar to this , because they they were actually trying to debug the uh computer software to enable um to enable it to work . And of course , you had the machine crashing and various things going wrong . So 2620.95 2624.64 2633.6 2634.17 2639.92 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2633.564 2634.045 2633.64 2633.94 Hmm . 2633.94 ES2014d B MEE054 1 2635.612 2636.056 2635.73 2635.95 Yeah . 2635.95 ES2014d B MEE054 1 2638.718 2643.539 2638.86 2643.42 Well , sh we look at the last slide , see if it's got anything else . I think there's one one more to go . 2638.96 2640.53 2641.46 2643.42 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2638.74 2639.332 2638.88 2639.09 Mm-hmm . 2639.09 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2641.616 2643.285 2641.68 2643.22 Alright , so we've got uh 2642.29 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2643.36 2643.616 2643.38 2643.58 Yeah . 2643.58 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2644.88 2654.017 2644.88 2654.017 I mean if you look at their products on their website here , Real Reaction , I mean it's all pretty high-tech and cutting edge . And 2647.8 2649.2 2652.6 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2652.274 2656.672 2652.54 2656.6 New ideas found , did we find any , no . 2653.63 2654.39 2656.6 ES2014d B MEE054 1 2654.975 2660.08 2655.08 2660.01 It was quite good with this um the white board , having that and the digital pens . Like , that's something that made it a little easier . 2657.22 2658.5 2658.72 2660.01 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2658.832 2662.389 2658.92 2662.18 Alright . Leadership , teamwork . 2660.35 2661.82 2662.18 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2659.084 2660.756 2659.25 2660.6 Yeah . Yeah . 2660.34 2660.6 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2662.445 2670.51 2662.445 2670.51 we did find a new idea , I mean sort of a kinetic remote control . I've never seen one of them before . batteries , I think . So 2663.6 2667.0 2668.69 2669.22 2669.57 ES2014d B MEE054 1 2669.624 2672.25 2669.624 2672.25 voice recognition , especially not could 2670.88 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2669.713 2670.416 2669.81 2670.416 Does - ES2014d D MEE056 3 2672.745 2673.485 2672.82 2673.4 Mm yeah . 2673.4 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2673.126 2677.968 2673.24 2677.87 You've got voice recognition computers , that's not remote controls . 2675.3 2677.87 ES2014d B MEE054 1 2675.288 2675.769 2675.4 2675.67 Yeah . 2675.67 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2677.248 2677.84 2677.38 2677.68 Yeah . 2677.68 ES2014d C FEE055 2 2677.784 2679.929 2678.02 2679.62 Well it's a different application of it . 2679.62 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2680.066 2682.8 2680.17 2682.76 Mm-hmm . Okay , 2682.41 2682.76 ES2014d B MEE054 1 2682.28 2685.424 2682.35 2685.33 Yeah , so it's just like the same products , but just put together in a different way . 2682.51 2683.92 2685.33 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2684.945 2685.537 2685.12 2685.35 Mm . 2685.35 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2685.525 2687.781 2685.6 2687.49 so how do you reckon teamwork went ? 2687.49 ES2014d B MEE054 1 2688.475 2689.04 2688.61 2689.04 Um - ES2014d D MEE056 3 2688.552 2690.586 2689.01 2690.43 That went okay , yeah . 2690.16 2690.43 ES2014d B MEE054 1 2691.056 2693.778 2691.1 2693.61 Yeah , I guess we all had separate ideas and then discussed them . 2691.27 2693.61 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2693.818 2695.038 2693.92 2694.84 Mm-hmm , yeah . 2694.61 2694.84 ES2014d C FEE055 2 2694.144 2694.662 2694.31 2694.59 Yeah . 2694.59 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2698.128 2706.928 2698.25 2706.88 To uh go uh reasonably well . Okay . 2705.65 2706.88 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2706.609 2713.445 2706.609 2713.445 I don't think sort of the budget um allowed us to do anything - ES2014d A MEE053 0 2711.761 2714.384 2711.9 2714.384 Bit bit arbitrary . 2714.11 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2714.206 2720.902 2714.32 2720.69 Well , I mean I don't think it I just don't think it fitted in with the rest of their products . I mean , they've got all these sort of , you know , 2714.48 2717.8 2719.28 2720.18 2720.69 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2720.448 2721.003 2720.5 2720.94 Mm-hmm . 2720.94 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2721.798 2724.203 2721.99 2723.99 high definition D_V_D_ and - ES2014d D MEE056 3 2725.296 2737.219 2725.32 2737.0 portable seven inch d um lightweight computer screens , and uh I'm thinking , do you know , one cheap remote control doesn't really fit in . Surely they they should produ 2729.97 2730.91 2731.2 2735.33 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2733.33 2748.16 2733.33 2748.13 So , we're m we're meant to comment on leadership and the means , E_ G_ whiteboard , digital pens , et cetera . And and new i new ideas found was the the other thing . 2736.36 2740.23 2741.07 2741.8 2745.03 2748.13 ES2014d C FEE055 2 2744.469 2746.992 2744.65 2746.82 Well leadership's a bit of a funny one , isn't it . 2745.92 2746.82 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2748.992 2749.488 2749.01 2749.39 Yeah . 2749.39 ES2014d C FEE055 2 2750.784 2760.992 2750.784 2760.96 But we can't really all fairly comment on leadership because you are the Project Manager . You were the leader . So our experience of leadership wasn't really 2756.78 2758.03 ES2014d C FEE055 2 2762.192 2763.376 2762.29 2763.376 as much as yours . 2762.86 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2762.192 2763.006 2762.34 2762.91 Yeah . 2762.91 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2764.272 2764.656 2764.29 2764.62 Yeah . 2764.62 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2765.408 2785.219 2765.43 2785.08 Now , I'd much rather be in marketing but I certainly didn't get this uh computer to work as well as I would have liked . However , um Alright uh means , so whiteboard um so really , it's uh equipment . Oh . 2765.75 2777.16 2778.08 2781.65 2783.4 2784.82 2785.08 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2785.325 2793.389 2785.38 2793.389 Yeah . It worked . Comput computers could be a bit difficult at times but 2786.75 2789.01 ES2014d C FEE055 2 2788.72 2790.135 2788.74 2790.135 Yeah , very nice . 2789.09 2790.03 ES2014d C FEE055 2 2796.601 2807.956 2796.79 2807.73 But I mean , I d I don't I'm not sure I see the value in these . I mean , they record what you're writing , and then what do you do with it ? Where do you get the recording ? Do you plug the computer or something ? 2797.04 2799.76 2800.73 2801.84 2803.92 2805.76 2807.73 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2806.23 2810.676 2806.46 2810.04 I think there's a little there's a little um chi - ES2014d B MEE054 1 2809.744 2812.308 2809.76 2812.308 So it's not just for us , it's for the experiment as a whole , so 2810.74 2811.97 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2812.246 2817.166 2812.34 2817.166 There's a little there's a little chip , I think you must plug it into something and it produces a 2813.36 ES2014d B MEE054 1 2814.539 2816.722 2814.56 2816.722 Should we quickly look at the last slide ? Sh 2816.2 ES2014d C FEE055 2 2816.133 2818.912 2816.26 2818.85 Right . I think you watch a video of it kind of . 2817.12 2818.85 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2819.296 2825.087 2819.37 2824.69 I don't know . Whether it just produces a big image of sort of everything you've written or something , and Page after page . 2819.94 2823.04 2824.69 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2823.552 2828.192 2823.7 2828.04 Right . New ideas found , so one or two . 2824.47 2825.5 2828.04 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2826.936 2827.794 2827.16 2827.66 Yeah . 2827.66 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2828.736 2831.875 2828.76 2831.78 Kinetic powered remote control . Um , 2831.29 2831.78 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2833.072 2834.016 2833.09 2833.82 what was the other one ? 2833.82 ES2014d C FEE055 2 2834.577 2837.792 2834.82 2837.68 Voice um recognition thing . 2837.68 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2835.952 2836.877 2836.11 2836.73 Vo yeah . 2836.73 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2840.403 2842.364 2840.403 2842.33 um - ES2014d A MEE053 0 2845.456 2847.376 2845.51 2847.33 and uh - ES2014d A MEE053 0 2848.896 2850.192 2849.25 2850.02 voice - ES2014d A MEE053 0 2851.184 2853.76 2851.32 2853.76 uh , was it voice activated um 2851.69 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2854.688 2856.653 2854.73 2856.52 Voice recognition , yeah . S 2855.66 2856.02 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2855.952 2856.928 2855.99 2856.8 recognition . 2856.8 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2863.744 2868.23 2863.76 2867.93 Almost . To fill in these fill in these questionnaires 2864.25 ES2014d C FEE055 2 2864.458 2866.494 2864.67 2866.494 Pretty much . 2866.38 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2866.577 2882.87 2866.73 2882.87 Right , so , uh are the costs within budget , yes . Is the project evaluated , yes . Uh , don't forget to complete final questionnaire and meeting summary . Then celebration . 2867.05 2871.68 2873.19 2873.49 2875.46 2876.54 2877.0 2879.43 2882.75 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2871.488 2872.786 2871.59 2872.67 Oh no . 2872.67 ES2014d B MEE054 1 2882.655 2885.762 2882.655 2885.63 . Is that everything ? 2882.655 2885.63 ES2014d D MEE056 3 2884.752 2890.053 2884.77 2889.97 Hmm ? I think that we've got two questionnaires and a report on the last meeting . 2885.91 2889.97 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2888.27 2888.64 2888.32 2888.6 Yeah . 2888.6 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2893.051 2897.624 2893.21 2897.624 Uh , so we don't re So really 2893.55 ES2014d A MEE053 0 2900.064 2911.36 2900.08 2911.32 I tried to save this the last time at twelve point three , and it didn't seem to have saved anywhere . Mind you , the the figure last was was different , but it should be poss 2902.81 2905.61 2906.02 2908.25 ES2015a A FEE057 0 62.48 65.888 62.51 65.82 Alright , that did nothing . Okay . Welcome to the meeting everyone . 62.67 63.43 64.63 65.82 ES2015a A FEE057 0 66.928 70.08 67.89 70.02 Just gonna attempt to make this into a slide show . 70.02 ES2015a A FEE057 0 83.248 84.912 83.27 84.37 Sorry guys . 84.37 ES2015a D FEE060 3 84.163 89.822 84.83 89.822 You may have to do the function F_ eight thing . Oh , okay . 87.42 87.6 89.35 ES2015a A FEE057 0 86.768 88.417 86.81 88.15 I did . Twice . 87.68 88.15 ES2015a A FEE057 0 92.432 97.168 93.57 97.168 This'll just take a moment . 96.89 ES2015a B FEE058 1 93.992 96.622 94.66 96.622 Okay okay - ES2015a A FEE057 0 101.072 102.992 102.17 102.8 Or it won't . 102.8 ES2015a A FEE057 0 123.104 137.472 123.12 137.34 Okay we'll have to deal with it like this then . Alright . Um . This is the first meeting uh for developing our , our new product . I'm Heather , I'm your Project Manager . 126.43 127.23 128.05 132.26 135.79 136.28 137.34 ES2015a B FEE058 1 124.688 126.63 124.71 126.63 Okay . 126.32 ES2015a B FEE058 1 137.448 139.409 137.98 139.409 Hello . 139.22 ES2015a A FEE057 0 139.056 151.04 139.08 150.89 Okay . So um . So that was the opening . The first thing we'll do is get acquainted with one another . If everyone could go around and explain their role and um , and their name . 139.95 141.67 142.99 146.51 150.29 150.89 ES2015a B FEE058 1 152.147 165.797 152.51 165.33 Okay . My name's Poppy . I'm the Industrial Designer for this project . Um , I'm going to be responsible for the functional design phase . Also the conceptual design and the detailed design for the final product . 152.85 153.76 156.66 156.99 160.81 165.33 ES2015a A FEE057 0 166.528 168.326 166.65 168.15 Nice to meet you Poppy . 168.15 ES2015a C FEE059 2 167.12 184.832 167.12 184.832 My name's Tara and I'm the User Interface Designer . I will also be responsible for the functional design phase , the conceptual design phase and the detailed design phase of the user interface design . 173.41 176.7 184.7 ES2015a B FEE058 1 166.944 169.126 167.55 169.126 Okay . 168.47 ES2015a A FEE057 0 184.912 185.86 185.01 185.8 Alright . 185.8 ES2015a D FEE060 3 185.712 202.336 185.73 202.27 Hi , I'm Genevieve . I'm the Marketing Expert . I'm an expert at marketing . Um , I'll be telling you guys about the user requirement specifications for our new product . Um , I'll be doing some trend-watching in the conceptual design , and product evaluation for the design phase . 185.96 186.52 188.81 190.22 191.0 194.78 195.24 198.38 202.27 ES2015a A FEE057 0 202.695 204.84 203.11 204.72 Alright I'm Heather and I've - ES2015a A FEE057 0 205.808 208.096 205.83 208.06 I said I'm your Project Manager , um 207.47 ES2015a A FEE057 0 209.52 215.124 209.56 215.124 Well you can pretty much read what it is that I'm doing . But um um 212.48 ES2015a A FEE057 0 217.136 218.313 217.42 218.03 Yeah . 218.03 ES2015a A FEE057 0 220.64 222.167 220.66 222.03 And uh tool training - ES2015a A FEE057 0 223.024 248.32 223.04 248.28 is one thing that we're going to be doing today , um um as well as planning the project , how we're going to , uh , create this product , and , um , discuss , um , our aims and objects of this , uh Which brings us to our next subject , is , um , um , as a team we're going to be designing and creating a new kind of remote control . 224.84 228.45 229.21 230.78 232.39 232.88 234.12 235.56 235.85 237.68 241.01 241.28 242.28 242.94 248.28 ES2015a A FEE057 0 249.328 281.067 249.36 280.66 Um , we want this to be a marketable product that can be trendy , um , a completely new style , so that , um , can really appeal to a , to a generation that doesn't want a simple plain kind of , uh , channel-changer . And , um , it needs to be user-friendly for , um , maybe , for an example , for people that , um , can't see the numbers as well , or , um , perhaps an ergonomic design . 250.97 255.51 256.84 258.28 258.9 259.5 261.85 266.4 267.32 268.73 269.28 270.12 271.66 272.48 273.57 274.33 275.16 275.97 277.82 278.12 279.25 280.66 ES2015a B FEE058 1 280.445 281.888 280.91 281.79 Okay . 281.79 ES2015a B FEE058 1 282.642 286.785 283.04 286.72 So this is a television remote control ? Yeah . 285.85 286.72 ES2015a A FEE057 0 285.408 288.022 285.62 287.94 Yes , it's a television remote control . 286.31 287.94 ES2015a A FEE057 0 290.768 299.952 290.89 298.59 Right . I believe I should be taking minutes on this right now . So , alright . 292.27 296.93 297.35 298.59 ES2015a B FEE058 1 297.993 299.214 298.35 299.13 Okay . 299.13 ES2015a A FEE057 0 301.264 304.16 302.95 304.02 Um , yeah . 303.45 304.02 ES2015a A FEE057 0 308.272 316.88 309.07 316.85 Um , the way that we're going to go about this is , um , we'll have a time where we can , um 310.72 313.64 314.3 316.32 ES2015a A FEE057 0 319.248 335.84 319.28 335.81 come up with new ideas alone , and , and work on the project and then , um , after we've brainstormed and , and thought about , we can come together in a meeting and , and discuss what , what um , what kind of functional design we want to use . Same with conceptual design and detailed design . 320.86 321.08 322.49 323.37 325.59 326.13 327.54 328.9 330.47 332.97 335.81 ES2015a A FEE057 0 336.896 337.584 336.92 337.55 So , um , 337.22 337.55 ES2015a A FEE057 0 338.592 343.2 338.68 343.2 making sure that it , it's usable , that as a , um 339.67 340.97 342.59 ES2015a A FEE057 0 344.32 346.832 344.34 346.78 and that it's , it's feasible to create , and uh , 344.91 346.06 346.78 ES2015a A FEE057 0 348.208 356.0 348.34 356.0 to come up with a concept of it want , what we want it to look like . Um , tool training . Is , is everyone , um 349.93 352.73 353.71 354.76 354.93 355.56 ES2015a A FEE057 0 357.121 361.328 357.121 361.29 Okay . Great . Great . Um 358.81 359.6 360.7 ES2015a B FEE058 1 357.145 359.069 357.47 358.89 Yeah . Got those notes . 357.92 358.89 ES2015a D FEE060 3 357.879 359.52 358.02 359.48 Yeah . Thank you . 358.57 359.48 ES2015a A FEE057 0 362.624 396.384 363.07 396.3 One thing that , uh , we're going to do is become more acquainted with the , the tools that we have access to for our project . Um , one of them is our whiteboard . And , um , as a sort of team-building moment , um , I , I'd like us to , um , try out the whiteboard by expressing our favourite animal and the charac characteristics of that animal . Um , why that , why that should be your favourite animal . So , um , I , I'm assuming that we should do that now . 364.57 365.28 367.91 371.38 371.95 373.94 374.45 374.96 378.31 379.53 379.94 381.21 381.61 388.15 389.19 389.9 392.34 392.69 393.91 394.54 396.3 ES2015a B FEE058 1 396.56 397.68 396.62 397.58 Okay . 397.58 ES2015a A FEE057 0 398.0 403.232 398.02 403.232 'Kay . With our microphones still attached to our bodies . Okay . 399.57 401.64 402.85 ES2015a B FEE058 1 400.651 401.871 401.2 401.72 Okay . 401.72 ES2015a C FEE059 2 401.174 402.654 401.39 402.36 Gosh . 402.36 ES2015a A FEE057 0 412.864 414.892 412.91 414.41 'Kay , what's my favourite animal ? 413.13 414.41 ES2015a A FEE057 0 416.112 420.144 417.4 420.144 Do come up . 420.1 ES2015a B FEE058 1 418.156 422.706 418.3 422.48 Oh , to go first . Oh , are we all doing it individually ? 419.14 420.69 420.84 422.48 ES2015a A FEE057 0 421.216 428.064 421.24 428.064 This is a team-building time where , um , , okay cool , um 423.95 425.91 425.91 426.51 ES2015a C FEE059 2 422.556 428.808 422.556 428.808 Yeah . 428.28 ES2015a B FEE058 1 423.335 426.368 423.42 426.368 Okay , let's stand up and support you 423.81 ES2015a A FEE057 0 429.181 433.731 429.36 433.6 My favourite animal , which changes all the time , okay , 430.78 432.73 433.6 ES2015a A FEE057 0 435.488 442.272 436.26 442.272 right now it is an elk . alright , so 440.59 441.08 ES2015a C FEE059 2 438.758 442.568 439.18 442.568 An elk ? A vicious 440.62 ES2015a B FEE058 1 439.274 440.815 439.274 440.64 Okay . 440.64 ES2015a A FEE057 0 445.072 446.368 445.11 446.368 And it goes like - ES2015a A FEE057 0 450.448 454.064 450.54 454.03 Yeah it's got like big antlers , yeah . 453.23 454.03 ES2015a A FEE057 0 460.304 463.501 460.32 463.39 Looks kinda like , like it has holly growing out of its head . 461.7 463.39 ES2015a B FEE058 1 466.866 469.715 467.23 469.11 Do you have elk where you come from ? 469.11 ES2015a A FEE057 0 469.616 474.064 469.65 473.72 Yes . Yeah we have moose and we have deer . 470.91 473.72 ES2015a B FEE058 1 470.32 471.12 470.34 471.08 You do . 471.08 ES2015a D FEE060 3 470.176 476.202 470.91 476.202 We have moose too . 475.82 ES2015a B FEE058 1 472.059 473.24 472.4 472.96 Okay . 472.96 ES2015a A FEE057 0 475.12 475.488 475.14 475.488 Do you have - ES2015a C FEE059 2 476.039 480.7 476.34 480.7 We have sheep . 480.33 ES2015a B FEE058 1 476.854 479.872 476.854 479.39 Sheep . Yeah , cows . 478.38 478.78 479.39 ES2015a A FEE057 0 477.246 481.152 477.246 481.08 'Kay , um . 480.69 481.08 ES2015a B FEE058 1 483.438 488.025 483.86 488.025 That's a great elk . Yeah . 486.07 487.17 ES2015a D FEE060 3 483.859 489.001 484.21 489.001 Uh-oh , we have a good artist . 484.5 488.94 ES2015a C FEE059 2 484.473 489.328 484.86 489.328 That is really good . I'm quite 486.85 ES2015a A FEE057 0 486.304 491.456 486.304 491.456 Thanks . This is my 490.35 ES2015a D FEE060 3 492.096 494.92 492.87 494.57 Oh , very shapely . 493.65 494.57 ES2015a A FEE057 0 494.56 522.736 494.62 522.67 Okay . That's a sketching of my my elk , and it , it is my favourite animal right now , 'cause it is a large beautiful majestic creature , that um , that um In a way it looks kind of awkward , because it's on spindly legs and it uh But it can really overcome harsh terrain , and although it's gorgeous it's also very dangerous , because it has um strong antlers , and uh 495.68 497.83 498.67 500.52 503.86 506.1 508.9 514.9 517.89 521.97 ES2015a B FEE058 1 494.465 495.945 494.84 495.72 Brilliant . 495.72 ES2015a A FEE057 0 523.888 532.352 524.08 532.32 it can really combat its enemies , even like it it's a it's an herbivore but , uh , it can really defend itself . 527.73 530.55 530.77 532.32 ES2015a B FEE058 1 532.275 533.015 532.52 532.69 Mm . 532.69 ES2015a B FEE058 1 533.92 535.345 533.94 535.25 Very nice . Okay . 534.86 535.25 ES2015a A FEE057 0 533.721 536.125 534.02 535.91 Yeah . Right . 535.56 535.91 ES2015a A FEE057 0 549.624 556.416 550.35 556.08 Right , I'm gonna take minutes while , um , you guys express your favourite animals . 550.47 551.67 552.58 556.08 ES2015a B FEE058 1 552.988 566.992 553.25 566.992 Okay , I'll go next . I am a big animal lover . I like all sorts of animals , but for the moment I'm gonna draw a cat , in memory of my poor cat that died recently . 553.85 557.54 559.47 560.69 563.05 566.71 ES2015a D FEE060 3 565.069 566.512 565.069 565.86 Oh . 565.86 ES2015a A FEE057 0 565.61 567.09 566.02 566.67 Oh . 566.67 ES2015a B FEE058 1 570.281 574.202 570.81 574.0 It's gonna be a bit of a strange drawing , but never mind . 572.86 574.0 ES2015a B FEE058 1 591.184 631.456 591.47 631.456 Not as artistic as Heather's drawing . Bit more cartoon style . But I like cats because they're so independent , and they always seem to be doing what they want to be doing . Um , but that doesn't mean they're completely not sociable , 'cause they enjoy interacting with humans as well , and they seem to enjoy the good things like sunshine and , um , running around outside as well as being inside , and enjoying their food , and generally just , they just seemed so cool and they just know what they're doing . Uh I reckon they're sort of , they got it sorted . They know what they want . Basically , that's why I like cats . 593.3 595.13 599.24 601.85 602.44 604.88 608.72 612.65 613.25 616.33 617.79 619.92 624.8 626.47 627.55 629.41 629.84 631.35 ES2015a C FEE059 2 631.396 633.948 631.67 633.948 Very good . 633.6 ES2015a A FEE057 0 631.424 633.062 632.21 632.63 Great . 632.63 ES2015a B FEE058 1 632.325 634.766 632.325 634.7 I'll rub that out . 634.7 ES2015a B FEE058 1 639.908 642.793 640.31 642.793 There you go . 642.35 ES2015a C FEE059 2 641.712 660.0 642.49 659.86 Okay . I think my favourite animal would be a dog , but I'm not really sure how to draw one . I , I've never drawn a dog , I don't think . I'm tempted to draw a snail 'cause I draw them sometimes and they're really easy to draw . Um , 643.3 645.82 649.91 650.39 652.01 653.23 659.14 659.86 ES2015a B FEE058 1 648.601 649.821 649.21 649.67 Ooh . 649.67 ES2015a A FEE057 0 660.944 662.298 660.96 661.69 I forget her name . 661.69 ES2015a C FEE059 2 661.856 667.36 661.89 667.33 right it's gonna be a really funny dog , 'cause I'm not sure how to draw a dog . 664.34 667.33 ES2015a D FEE060 3 661.784 663.042 662.2 662.87 Tara - ES2015a D FEE060 3 663.523 664.522 663.74 664.4 or Tara . 664.4 ES2015a B FEE058 1 666.764 672.091 667.34 672.091 Well there are loads of different types of dogs , so I'm sure it'll represent one kind of dog . 669.11 671.9 ES2015a C FEE059 2 671.214 681.616 671.46 681.44 It's a cartoon dog I think . A s I don't ev Oh , oh well . It's a scary cartoon dog . 674.44 676.31 678.57 681.44 ES2015a C FEE059 2 683.936 692.181 684.11 692.181 That This , that does not look like a dog . I'm sorry . 685.95 688.01 691.96 ES2015a B FEE058 1 687.472 696.336 687.472 696.336 We can pretend . 696.28 ES2015a A FEE057 0 687.664 694.512 687.664 694.512 It looks kinda like a person . 694.26 ES2015a D FEE060 3 690.032 693.524 690.032 692.98 That's Pinocchio . 692.98 ES2015a C FEE059 2 694.432 737.612 694.432 737.612 How do you draw a dog ? I suppose it has a lon Oh my god . Right . Yous know what it's supposed to be . It's a dog . . Um , I like dogs because , um , they're so good to humans , like they can be trained to be police dogs and seeing-eye dogs , and they're just such friendly animals . And , like they're more of a companion than cats . I've nothing against cats . Cats don't really like me , so I can't like them . But they're just so friendly and warm and nice animals , that don't look like that . 696.4 698.92 699.81 704.0 707.64 707.64 708.22 710.71 711.33 713.08 717.14 719.75 720.93 724.57 725.74 727.12 729.58 735.5 737.38 ES2015a B FEE058 1 700.859 707.68 700.859 707.65 Okay . 707.65 ES2015a B FEE058 1 724.432 726.128 724.64 725.85 Yeah , that's true . 725.07 725.85 ES2015a D FEE060 3 745.248 767.6 745.9 767.33 Alrighty . I feel like a robot . Okay . Um , well I guess I had the most time to think about it . I'm going to draw a butterfly , because I saw a butterfly yesterday , that seemed to be like the symbol of Spring arriving . And it was actually the prettiest butterfly I've ever seen out in the wild , and I though that was pretty cool in Scotland . It was like , well it was a little pointier than that . 747.5 750.03 751.61 752.3 753.82 755.79 757.36 760.12 762.31 763.62 765.57 767.33 ES2015a D FEE060 3 769.568 784.992 770.77 784.92 At first I thought it was a dead leaf . And then it landed on the wall next to me . But this part was all brown and then it has these big blue dots like this . And then it kinda there was a green , I think it was a green ring , and there was like red going out like this . 772.73 775.08 780.22 781.61 782.71 784.92 ES2015a A FEE057 0 785.216 786.528 785.27 786.41 It's kinda like a peacock . 786.41 ES2015a D FEE060 3 786.272 808.032 787.07 807.78 Yeah , it kinda was actually , 'cause it was This part of the body was really dull , and then it was the most colourful exotic butterfly ever , and I'm like , wow this is the middle of Scotland in like March . So I thought that was pretty cool . And it landed by a wall and let me look at it for about two minutes . I wish I'd had my camera . So that's gonna be my favourite animal because after all the snow it seemed to say that like Spring is finally here . Yeah . There you go . 787.3 788.11 790.27 793.14 793.47 795.78 796.89 799.18 800.74 806.64 807.08 807.78 ES2015a B FEE058 1 807.184 808.998 807.2 808.998 Very nice . 808.6 ES2015a A FEE057 0 808.211 809.098 808.49 808.9 Great . 808.9 ES2015a D FEE060 3 809.136 811.315 809.136 810.65 Uh , what do we Oh . 810.02 810.65 ES2015a A FEE057 0 816.534 819.197 816.86 818.9 Do you hear the eraser buzzing while you do that ? 818.9 ES2015a D FEE060 3 818.864 824.24 819.44 824.24 Yes I do . 824.0 ES2015a A FEE057 0 819.893 820.81 820.04 820.81 Yea - ES2015a A FEE057 0 822.931 823.56 823.12 823.47 Right . 823.47 ES2015a A FEE057 0 826.592 862.496 826.78 862.46 So , now that we know how to use the whiteboard , um , the next , um , thing we need to address is our financial department , to meet our our budget , um or not meet our budget but more , um , like what kind of , uh , selling range we'll be looking at , um , wanna make this um selling price of twenty five Euros . And so we have to , um , come up with a way to , to create a , a uh remote control , where um 827.13 830.73 832.13 832.99 834.23 838.6 840.5 842.82 843.94 844.98 845.59 847.79 849.0 854.49 855.49 856.63 857.96 859.33 861.62 ES2015a B FEE058 1 830.048 831.099 830.07 830.97 Okay . 830.97 ES2015a A FEE057 0 863.616 870.272 863.66 870.24 we can like the price to create it will be significantly less . Um , we'd like to , um 868.47 869.08 869.81 ES2015a A FEE057 0 871.472 900.336 871.49 900.2 to , uh , make fifty million Euro . I'm assuming that's what the M_ means . Um , and make it for an international market . Um , one thing we'd have to think about internationally is in the design of , um , like different kinds of , uh , V_C_R_s . Things like that , depending on which country you are . Another thing for the design team to think about . Um , we want it to cost , uh , absolute maximum of twelve Euro and fifty cents . 871.86 872.22 874.1 876.18 877.08 880.41 880.93 884.33 884.66 886.38 886.73 887.66 888.06 890.1 892.61 893.39 894.87 895.36 900.2 ES2015a D FEE060 3 903.752 909.808 904.42 909.45 Okay , so we'll have a hundred percent profit then ? Twelve fifty . 904.69 908.04 909.45 ES2015a A FEE057 0 910.128 919.6 910.25 919.57 I'm bad at math . 'Kay . Um , so now that , um , that is underway , um 911.86 913.63 914.77 915.88 917.28 918.78 ES2015a D FEE060 3 911.28 912.297 911.3 911.94 Okay . 911.94 ES2015a A FEE057 0 921.504 926.72 921.52 926.68 it is discussion time . So this is time for us to bring our initial ideas , any um 922.9 926.0 ES2015a A FEE057 0 928.144 940.752 928.16 940.63 suggestions that you may have so far , a um your personal experiences with remote controls , and um , um , areas you see that , uh , could be improved in your experience with them . 930.15 934.17 935.37 936.05 937.09 937.4 940.63 ES2015a A FEE057 0 942.4 944.232 942.51 943.92 Does anyone have any initial thoughts ? 943.92 ES2015a D FEE060 3 945.364 949.137 945.66 948.85 I find that in the dark it's often hard to know what button you're pushing . 948.85 ES2015a A FEE057 0 949.152 953.76 949.19 953.72 Mm-hmm . So what's something we could , uh , do to remedy that ? 950.23 951.26 952.08 953.72 ES2015a B FEE058 1 953.776 955.254 953.97 954.76 Okay . 954.76 ES2015a D FEE060 3 955.104 957.568 955.36 957.568 Um - ES2015a B FEE058 1 955.934 965.6 956.17 965.57 I always find that in our house the remote control always goes missing . It's always , where is the remote control ? So maybe if you could have some kind of 961.07 961.75 963.68 ES2015a C FEE059 2 961.2 963.396 961.2 962.7 Yeah . 962.7 ES2015a B FEE058 1 966.624 980.127 966.64 979.77 tracking device for the remote control or some signal that you could find out where it was . I dunno , some kind of alarm . You can press a button on your wall , signal , 'cause it always gets lost . 972.53 973.25 974.59 977.1 978.25 979.77 ES2015a A FEE057 0 975.799 979.128 976.46 978.98 Yeah . It's a great idea . It's a great idea . 976.75 977.9 978.98 ES2015a C FEE059 2 980.969 983.299 981.38 983.23 Do yous not find that , um , 982.5 983.23 ES2015a C FEE059 2 983.299 993.376 983.299 993.376 like , there's a lot of , um , buttons on your remote control , and you don't know what half of them do . Yeah , I don't know what they do . 984.62 985.7 986.52 987.88 990.08 990.47 993.11 ES2015a B FEE058 1 987.552 993.68 987.57 993.68 Yeah . Yeah , that you don't use half of them . 988.84 989.21 993.44 ES2015a D FEE060 3 987.725 988.761 988.06 988.64 Mm-hmm . 988.64 ES2015a D FEE060 3 991.256 992.072 991.35 991.67 Mm-hmm . 991.67 ES2015a D FEE060 3 996.944 1008.08 996.96 1008.02 There's some remote controls where there's kind of a hidden panel , so all those buttons that you don't really use unless you're programming or something . That's useful . So you just have like the number buttons , power button , T_V_ video button . 999.19 1002.72 1004.26 1005.71 1006.9 1008.02 ES2015a C FEE059 2 1000.644 1002.346 1000.87 1002.17 Yeah . 1002.17 ES2015a B FEE058 1 1000.731 1005.318 1001.37 1004.9 Yeah , that's , that's Yeah , it is . Yeah . 1001.73 1002.48 1003.75 1004.32 1004.9 ES2015a C FEE059 2 1006.526 1008.006 1006.94 1007.58 Yeah . 1007.58 ES2015a B FEE058 1 1008.096 1009.272 1008.12 1009.16 Yeah . 1009.16 ES2015a A FEE057 0 1009.552 1025.31 1010.23 1025.31 Alright . Anything about , um , the look of the , uh , remote control that you might have ideas about . Maybe it could be , instead of like a standard rectangular shape , it could be , um , something more interesting like 1010.81 1011.79 1012.7 1014.26 1015.01 1017.39 1018.7 1022.04 1022.76 1023.41 ES2015a A FEE057 0 1026.224 1027.968 1026.27 1027.93 Any ideas will do that you have at this point . 1027.93 ES2015a D FEE060 3 1028.1 1035.44 1028.57 1035.44 Could be shaped like a conch , you know . Be like a shell-shaped remote . 1030.61 1032.07 1035.26 ES2015a B FEE058 1 1028.249 1029.358 1028.63 1029.23 Mm . 1029.23 ES2015a A FEE057 0 1030.64 1035.861 1030.64 1035.8 Can hold it . Yeah . 1035.62 1035.8 ES2015a B FEE058 1 1030.652 1041.528 1030.652 1041.38 A novelty . Are we going into kind of novelty factors here . Like , I've seen phones like a Okay . 1035.34 1037.67 1037.82 1041.38 ES2015a A FEE057 0 1038.448 1052.352 1038.47 1052.26 Well if it's a trendy original , um , aspect we're going for . I mean , you're the designers , you c , you can um decide what kind of , um , direction you wanna go in , but at this point in the , in the first meeting it can be any ideas that we just throw out there . 1040.58 1041.1 1042.05 1042.22 1042.84 1043.27 1045.44 1046.16 1047.29 1048.82 1052.26 ES2015a B FEE058 1 1043.048 1043.973 1043.23 1043.67 Yeah . 1043.67 ES2015a B FEE058 1 1044.565 1045.194 1044.73 1045.13 Mm-hmm . 1045.13 ES2015a C FEE059 2 1044.619 1045.84 1044.99 1045.78 Yeah . 1045.78 ES2015a B FEE058 1 1050.04 1050.78 1050.27 1050.74 Yeah . 1050.74 ES2015a B FEE058 1 1052.304 1072.416 1052.32 1072.38 I suppose , if we're he heading to have it , like make a huge profit out of this , it needs to be quite a universally accepted thing . Like , a novelty thing might only sell a few things rather than , like , a general kind of more acceptable But we don't wanna go towards boring , 'cause that wouldn't sell either . So , hmm . 1052.61 1054.96 1057.43 1060.25 1060.39 1064.32 1064.63 1069.98 1071.29 1072.18 1072.38 ES2015a C FEE059 2 1060.343 1061.416 1060.66 1061.3 Yeah . 1061.3 ES2015a D FEE060 3 1062.799 1106.166 1062.799 1106.166 . 1106.166 ES2015a A FEE057 0 1068.4 1069.275 1068.42 1068.8 Mm-hmm . 1068.8 ES2015a A FEE057 0 1070.939 1072.283 1071.35 1071.66 Yeah . 1071.66 ES2015a A FEE057 0 1072.678 1079.296 1072.7 1079.26 And the key issue here is , is being trendy and original . Um , that does not necessarily mean it needs to be outrageous . 1073.99 1075.84 1076.05 1079.26 ES2015a B FEE058 1 1075.498 1076.311 1075.68 1075.9 Yeah . 1075.9 ES2015a B FEE058 1 1079.216 1080.224 1079.24 1080.08 Yeah . 1080.08 ES2015a A FEE057 0 1080.32 1106.208 1080.39 1106.15 Right . Okay we have five minutes left . So , just to cover We have one more thing . Um , like you can go over your ideas , of course , in your own personal times . Um , our next meeting will be in half an hour . So you have half an hour to , uh , think about what you want to present . Or not present but bring to the meeting . Um , I_D_ , whatever that stands for . 1081.01 1083.21 1084.26 1089.28 1089.73 1091.11 1091.5 1092.95 1093.86 1095.76 1096.72 1097.53 1099.87 1102.67 1104.51 1105.14 1106.15 ES2015a B FEE058 1 1092.625 1093.495 1092.94 1093.33 Yeah . 1093.33 ES2015a D FEE060 3 1106.166 1108.533 1106.35 1108.42 Interface ? Oh , industrial . 1107.5 1107.56 1108.42 ES2015a B FEE058 1 1106.4 1109.512 1106.42 1109.512 Industrial Designer . That's me . 1107.53 1109.26 ES2015a A FEE057 0 1107.081 1110.624 1107.36 1110.57 Industrial Designer . I have to remember these things . Um . 1108.22 1109.92 1110.57 ES2015a A FEE057 0 1111.648 1140.16 1111.67 1140.01 You'll be beginning your , your working design . Um , U_I_D_ the technical functions design will , will be worked on the next thirty minutes . Um , maybe how this can be achieved , and , um , we need the user requirements from the manag Marketing Expert . Um , you will get specific instructions , um , of what to do in the next half an hour . And I'll see you in half an hour , okay ? 'Kay . 1112.91 1114.43 1115.14 1118.18 1119.66 1121.15 1123.02 1123.51 1124.65 1131.17 1132.14 1134.68 1135.01 1136.51 1138.27 1139.33 1140.01 ES2015a B FEE058 1 1113.384 1114.246 1113.65 1113.98 Mm-hmm . 1113.98 ES2015a D FEE060 3 1128.928 1131.985 1128.95 1129.34 Marketing Expert . 1131.34 ES2015a B FEE058 1 1138.752 1140.05 1138.77 1139.81 Okay . Thank you . 1139.39 1139.81 ES2015b B FEE058 1 25.392 27.448 25.43 27.448 Okay . 27.3 ES2015b B FEE058 1 28.786 31.632 29.11 31.57 Yeah . That's okay . That's okay . 29.57 30.43 31.57 ES2015b B FEE058 1 47.207 48.761 47.65 48.68 Okay . 48.68 ES2015b A FEE057 0 53.822 55.117 54.02 54.92 Am I starting now ? 54.92 ES2015b A FEE057 0 55.904 92.72 55.92 92.72 Anytime ? Oh sorry . 'Kay , um . Alright , welcome back fro to the second meeting . And um I hope you had a productive last thirty minutes . Um , and um , I'll be taking minutes on this one , and um Being hooked up to the PowerPoint for this meeting isn't very necessary for uh myself , because it'll be more about uh , what you guys are bringing to the meeting today . Um , so , the first presentation we'll be looking at is Poppy's presentation . And , um 57.11 58.46 58.88 60.08 60.3 64.34 68.04 69.38 70.07 71.88 79.07 80.94 84.39 85.3 87.14 91.6 92.11 ES2015b A FEE057 0 93.712 97.184 93.78 97.13 So , sorry ? So , um , take it away Poppy . 94.67 95.49 95.86 96.2 97.13 ES2015b B FEE058 1 97.216 102.792 97.56 102.51 Okay . Um , do I need to plugged in . 98.7 99.66 102.51 ES2015b A FEE057 0 100.768 102.736 100.85 102.736 It's , it's plugged in . So , um 101.05 101.85 102.19 ES2015b C FEE059 2 103.288 106.321 103.7 105.91 F_ eight , w . Function F_ eight . 104.34 104.64 105.91 ES2015b B FEE058 1 105.232 109.741 105.29 109.59 F_ okay . Function F_ eight . Sorry about this guys . 106.91 108.02 109.59 ES2015b A FEE057 0 108.762 109.798 109.19 109.57 No problem . 109.57 ES2015b B FEE058 1 112.516 115.504 112.84 115.09 'Kay . is on . 114.13 115.09 ES2015b B FEE058 1 117.36 120.136 117.38 120.136 Right . 119.94 ES2015b B FEE058 1 122.128 165.28 122.15 165.01 Okay . I will take this time just to apologise . I , I only , uh , received my emails later on . 'Cause I was too busy carried away doing my own thing , which is not obviously not a very good part of a team-working thing . But there we go . Um , so I was looking at how we're going to go about the working design , and what we actually need to do , and what the remote control needs to do . And it needs to um allow a person to have a portable desi device , so they can control the television from wherever they are . They don't need to actually manually touch the television set . So , it gives them much more flexibility , and allows them to be where they want to be . 122.8 125.5 125.76 126.32 127.86 129.95 132.69 135.92 137.28 138.52 142.45 144.99 147.87 153.18 156.54 160.4 160.99 162.85 165.01 ES2015b A FEE057 0 136.56 138.448 136.58 138.21 I'm sure it's fine . 138.21 ES2015b B FEE058 1 166.304 167.824 166.34 167.824 Um , from 167.01 ES2015b B FEE058 1 169.136 209.94 169.16 209.46 Uh , on a functional side of things , we found out that wh from our previous meeting , we decided that there're certain points that will make our product unique . Um , one is the visibility in the dark , which was um Genevieve's idea . So we need to think about how we could bring this in um technically . And we could use illuminated buttons , which we are all familiar with when we're using a mobile phone , or um something fam familiar . A automatically , um lights up at first touch . Or we could use fluorescent materials which would just um take in the light during the day , and then as soon as they go off they would glow in the dark . 169.42 171.65 174.58 179.03 179.44 183.18 187.17 191.06 192.8 195.66 197.77 199.06 201.98 207.04 209.46 ES2015b B FEE058 1 209.94 233.222 210.27 233.0 Um , also we could use um an alarm . So if we lost the um remote control , perhaps there could be a button on the television set itself , which you could press , and then an alarm from the handset would sound where it was , hopefully in the room . Maybe behind a cushion or somewhere . Um , so that would work . Um , oop . Go back there . 210.82 214.35 218.36 221.68 222.87 226.27 227.57 229.5 230.34 231.36 231.86 232.15 233.0 ES2015b B FEE058 1 234.032 270.251 234.09 270.21 Um , another thing I think we d missed out on on the last meeting was the fact that we should consider the environmental impact of our design . Um , from previous researches I've carried out on other projects , um we've learnt about smart materials where um um specific alloys of metals have a shape memory . So they can be heated and um and cooled , and they change the shape of um the metal . So , for example , a screw that's holding something together could expand and it would force all the components apart . 234.39 242.08 243.45 247.35 256.11 260.17 263.82 264.27 264.77 270.21 ES2015b B FEE058 1 270.251 302.336 270.63 302.18 So um , the benefits of this for our product would be that when it came to the end of its product life , if it was heated , um everything would spring apart . So , all the um individual components could be easily separated , and then some could be reused , some could be recycled , and I think that would be very important for products now . Especially 'cause there's much uh responsibility for all the um companies who are coming up with like new designs . 'Cause all , we all know that our resources are being limited , and we have to be very environmentally conscious . 271.73 276.26 278.21 280.13 280.81 284.43 286.11 287.44 289.92 296.82 297.5 299.69 302.18 ES2015b A FEE057 0 301.66 321.424 302.27 321.37 Right , um , one question . This , um , self-destructible uh metal , it allows for recycling materials ? So that , um , someone could have this product for as long as they felt that they wanted it , and then once they contribute it , then that company can break down the part , the parts better ? 302.54 302.77 303.91 304.23 304.55 306.63 310.25 310.92 311.56 316.04 317.82 320.57 321.37 ES2015b B FEE058 1 303.422 304.235 303.6 303.95 Yeah . 303.95 ES2015b B FEE058 1 309.858 311.632 310.21 311.632 Um - ES2015b B FEE058 1 316.171 317.207 316.53 317.207 And then - ES2015b B FEE058 1 319.423 320.384 319.74 320.28 Yeah . 320.28 ES2015b B FEE058 1 321.568 375.632 321.62 375.58 Yeah they would , um you would make the , the product as you normally would , apart from the , the bits that hold it all together would be made out of this shape-memory alloy . And that's the part that would um allow all the other parts to be separated at the end . I mean , the user would return the p product to the company , 'cause it's the product's responsibility to get rid of what they've made . Um , and then the company could then just use , make use of this shape-memory alloys to split up the components , and then either reuse some bits , and other bits which are obviously gonna wear out with time , or not usable , they might be like be able to put into scrap metal . Something like the case , if it's scratched or something , you would want to reuse it , but you might be able to melt it down and reuse it again somewhere else . 322.8 325.95 328.15 329.31 333.57 341.47 341.79 346.19 350.12 350.51 353.49 359.82 361.78 364.01 365.18 368.73 369.88 370.89 371.88 375.58 ES2015b A FEE057 0 359.535 360.718 359.75 360.48 Yeah . 360.48 ES2015b A FEE057 0 373.591 374.479 373.93 374.4 Mm-hmm . 374.4 ES2015b A FEE057 0 375.648 383.52 375.69 383.49 Would we be the company that would break down these , or uh metals ? Or would we contribute to another group ? 379.3 380.8 383.49 ES2015b B FEE058 1 380.6 399.727 381.15 399.727 You could we could probably empl em employ a , a side company or something to do that for us . But it would be our responsibility to get that done and to dispose of the products that we made . For a certain percentage at least . Not every , not a hundred percent of everything we produce , but 384.2 388.17 394.02 395.46 396.09 398.54 ES2015b A FEE057 0 395.139 395.842 395.44 395.8 Alright . 395.8 ES2015b A FEE057 0 398.049 420.944 398.53 420.86 Okay . This sounds like a really great idea . One thing we have to consider is our uh one hundred percent um turnover goal that we have for our financial sector . Um , so we'll have to investigate how much that will cost us , cost the company , um 'cause it sounds very labour-intensive . You would have to hire a number of people , and it might be more expensive . 398.9 400.46 408.87 409.23 413.49 414.71 416.72 418.73 420.86 ES2015b B FEE058 1 406.74 408.331 407.02 408.19 Yeah . Yeah . 407.58 408.19 ES2015b B FEE058 1 412.455 413.185 412.63 413.11 Yeah . 413.11 ES2015b B FEE058 1 420.864 448.672 420.88 448.672 Well I the fact of the shape-memory alloys is that they , they don't need to be manually de um deconstructed . Like , you don't have to individually um unscrew all the screws . Because of this , their properties are smart material . All you need is just the heat , so they self-destruct themselves . So I suppose it does need like high contact , yeah , you know high uh quality machinery , and very specific machinery , but 424.54 428.55 428.69 433.13 434.0 436.35 438.05 440.85 443.72 444.03 446.51 448.02 ES2015b A FEE057 0 436.135 437.097 436.42 436.84 Mm-hmm . 436.84 ES2015b A FEE057 0 440.144 444.125 440.2 443.77 Alright . We'll still have to investigate the financial implications . 440.92 443.77 ES2015b A FEE057 0 448.624 453.6 448.71 453.57 Alright . I like the environmental approach . Um , we'll have to see if that can meet our financial goals as well . 449.01 450.53 451.15 453.57 ES2015b B FEE058 1 450.4 451.246 450.59 451.06 Yeah . 451.06 ES2015b B FEE058 1 452.355 453.508 452.74 453.32 Okay . 453.32 ES2015b B FEE058 1 454.592 456.845 454.61 456.59 Um also - ES2015b B FEE058 1 457.616 464.496 457.64 464.43 there is um components . This'll be how it uh will actually work . But I haven't put this plan together yet . 459.72 462.45 464.43 ES2015b A FEE057 0 465.821 468.596 466.06 468.596 I'm sorry , could you Those were um 466.31 ES2015b B FEE058 1 465.812 468.253 466.11 468.14 There we go . Sorry , should I go back . 467.03 467.2 468.14 ES2015b B FEE058 1 468.672 478.66 468.89 478.49 This would actually show the circuit diagram . Although I haven't come up with the final circuit yet . So I just put all those components in . 471.86 476.26 478.49 ES2015b A FEE057 0 475.297 476.48 475.66 476.04 Okay . 476.04 ES2015b A FEE057 0 478.672 483.904 478.71 483.904 So those are what , um , we'll c construct the remote . Those are all the 479.56 480.34 483.25 ES2015b B FEE058 1 483.288 499.934 483.32 499.47 Yeah . I it just shows what sort of energy source . It could be a battery , like rechargeable probably . Um , an' yeah , well how the infrared will actually be sent through the chip to be received by the chip on the television set itself . Okay ? 483.82 485.63 486.61 488.55 489.29 490.65 498.82 499.47 ES2015b A FEE057 0 498.16 499.156 498.18 499.0 Alright . Great . 498.46 499.0 ES2015b B FEE058 1 500.6 505.372 500.95 505.02 So , now is it F_ eight again to escape ? Or escape ? 501.38 503.61 505.02 ES2015b B FEE058 1 505.964 507.259 506.18 507.06 There we go . 507.06 ES2015b B FEE058 1 507.766 508.542 507.96 508.29 Okay . 508.29 ES2015b A FEE057 0 508.704 510.032 508.76 509.98 Alright . Thank you very much . 509.03 509.98 ES2015b B FEE058 1 510.624 512.36 511.1 512.1 Thank you . 512.1 ES2015b A FEE057 0 511.088 515.404 511.47 515.16 And , um , the next presenter will be Tara . 511.91 512.26 515.16 ES2015b B FEE058 1 517.687 519.824 518.07 519.71 There you go Tara . 519.71 ES2015b C FEE059 2 518.328 519.686 518.69 519.45 Thanks . 519.45 ES2015b C FEE059 2 524.392 525.672 524.58 525.54 Can you see ? 525.54 ES2015b D FEE060 3 525.982 527.757 527.08 527.757 Oh , 527.36 ES2015b C FEE059 2 551.872 553.824 552.64 553.824 Do you think - ES2015b C FEE059 2 558.712 561.19 558.84 561.05 Is it uh , function eight yeah ? 559.59 561.05 ES2015b D FEE060 3 560.727 562.688 560.727 562.33 Function F_ eight . 562.33 ES2015b A FEE057 0 560.848 563.563 560.87 563.2 Yeah . Function F_ eight . Sorry . 561.79 562.61 563.2 ES2015b B FEE058 1 560.71 563.781 561.22 563.4 Function F_ eight . The one at the top . 562.67 563.4 ES2015b C FEE059 2 562.818 564.852 563.15 564.35 Oh right . Okay . 563.97 564.35 ES2015b D FEE060 3 567.792 569.948 568.52 569.07 That looks right . 569.07 ES2015b A FEE057 0 569.264 569.92 569.28 569.88 Yeah . 569.88 ES2015b C FEE059 2 579.912 581.28 580.36 581.2 Okay . 581.2 ES2015b C FEE059 2 583.712 587.726 583.73 587.44 I'm the User um - ES2015b C FEE059 2 588.277 629.831 588.67 629.831 User Interface Designer . Uh , the technical functions design of the apparatus is the effect the apparatus should have . Um , in this case it's the function of the remote control , which is to send messages to the television , television set . By taking inspiration from other similar designs , we'll try and come up with an original trendy remote control , which is sellable international . There're two functional design options . A multifunctional remote control , which can be used for several entertainment devices . And a single function remote control , used specifically for the television . 591.34 592.12 597.68 597.97 601.24 603.66 604.36 609.37 612.33 614.8 617.43 619.83 623.27 625.87 629.6 ES2015b D FEE060 3 627.79 630.49 628.16 630.49 I'm sorry , what was that last one . Multifunctional and 628.45 629.02 ES2015b C FEE059 2 630.24 634.767 630.26 634.23 Sorry . Um , a single function just for the television itself . 630.81 631.21 634.23 ES2015b D FEE060 3 633.32 635.762 633.53 635.23 Ch Oh , I see . 634.91 635.23 ES2015b C FEE059 2 635.267 636.266 635.53 635.93 Yeah . 635.93 ES2015b C FEE059 2 637.302 645.847 637.7 645.29 Um , multifunctional controls can be difficult to use , as the multitude of buttons can be confusing . 638.95 642.76 645.29 ES2015b C FEE059 2 646.303 655.551 646.68 655.03 A single function remote control is simpler to use , but it means you have to have other remote controls for your other entertainment devices . 650.08 655.03 ES2015b D FEE060 3 668.405 669.552 668.71 668.87 'Kay . 668.87 ES2015b C FEE059 2 668.752 684.363 669.3 684.11 Um , I think that a single function remote control would be preferable , because it's easier to use . It'd be more compatible with a range of television sets , making it more internationally sellable . 670.81 675.29 677.96 681.25 684.11 ES2015b C FEE059 2 685.2 700.511 685.31 699.93 Um , it will make an original design more obtainable , as we have less functional necessities to include in the design . And it would be more profitable as it would be more simplistic . And less functions would have to be included . 685.98 689.71 693.72 697.72 699.93 ES2015b C FEE059 2 701.022 710.492 701.28 710.31 So it would be cheaper to make . And probably more sellable just because it's more compatible with a r a wider range of devices . 703.73 710.31 ES2015b C FEE059 2 712.231 714.82 712.51 714.82 Does anyone have any questions ? 714.49 ES2015b D FEE060 3 717.712 725.296 717.712 725.26 So as far as we know , um , a single function television remote control is us usable internationally ? 720.08 720.74 725.26 ES2015b C FEE059 2 725.956 747.67 726.24 747.49 Well , it's just that , when we're creating it , we're , we have to make it um compatible with different brands of devices . And it would be easier to make it compatible with just different brands of television devices rather than other ent , yeah , other entertainment devices . 726.84 727.85 729.03 729.62 737.4 744.53 746.05 747.49 ES2015b D FEE060 3 736.428 737.057 736.76 736.97 Right . 736.97 ES2015b D FEE060 3 743.424 745.656 743.91 745.16 D_V_D_s and V_C_R_ ? Okay . 744.96 745.16 ES2015b A FEE057 0 745.072 745.808 745.09 745.47 Right . 745.47 ES2015b A FEE057 0 747.806 755.463 748.36 754.99 Does everyone agree with this ? Does anyone object and , and find the multifunctional might be a better way to go ? 749.78 751.97 754.99 ES2015b B FEE058 1 755.424 778.846 755.44 778.4 Um , I was just wondering about the , what , what Genevieve said before , about having like some hidden controls like having the outer casing . And that would probably , um , I d , well well what you said before about it being a more profitable simplistic design . I suppose having that would complicate it a lot more . And limit the design . Do you think ? 757.09 758.78 759.11 760.12 763.43 765.56 767.16 767.6 771.44 775.21 776.55 778.4 ES2015b C FEE059 2 771.335 772.334 771.56 772.1 Yeah . 772.1 ES2015b C FEE059 2 773.834 774.759 774.16 774.64 Yeah . 774.64 ES2015b D FEE060 3 778.048 789.584 778.19 789.584 Yeah , I think I agree with the single design thing for now , because we're trying to do so much , that if we're trying to make a unique , user-friendly , dadada , and it's also multi also multifunctional , um , we're gonna go over budget for one thing . So 778.92 780.91 782.46 783.62 784.69 785.06 787.9 788.22 789.48 ES2015b B FEE058 1 783.581 784.802 783.92 784.42 Yeah . 784.42 ES2015b C FEE059 2 789.26 791.257 789.55 791.19 Yeah . Yeah . 790.75 791.19 ES2015b B FEE058 1 789.434 792.061 789.59 791.69 Yeah . That's true . Yeah . 790.06 791.35 791.69 ES2015b A FEE057 0 790.585 791.842 790.83 791.73 Mm-hmm . 791.73 ES2015b C FEE059 2 792.0 803.011 792.19 802.79 And with this we'll have more room in the budget probably to make a more original design . We'll have more money to go into the design side of it . 798.21 802.79 ES2015b B FEE058 1 796.968 798.004 797.23 797.5 Yeah . 797.5 ES2015b D FEE060 3 797.206 797.946 797.47 797.9 Mm-hmm . 797.9 ES2015b A FEE057 0 800.1 800.914 800.27 800.61 Yeah . 800.61 ES2015b B FEE058 1 802.48 804.671 802.74 804.27 Okay . Yeah . 804.09 804.27 ES2015b A FEE057 0 804.0 805.981 804.11 805.48 Alright . Sounds great . 804.82 805.48 ES2015b D FEE060 3 805.276 806.423 805.6 806.15 Mm , 'kay . 805.75 806.15 ES2015b A FEE057 0 806.586 811.801 806.87 811.56 Alright , well , um , are you ready for your presentation Genevieve ? 807.29 807.78 808.95 811.56 ES2015b D FEE060 3 811.104 812.72 811.12 812.28 Yes I am . 812.28 ES2015b A FEE057 0 812.837 820.42 813.13 820.3 Fabulous . Except you're not hooked up to the Great . 814.75 820.3 ES2015b D FEE060 3 814.865 820.592 815.19 820.592 Oh , I'm not hooked up , but other than that , completely ready . 815.54 816.46 817.57 820.37 ES2015b D FEE060 3 827.648 830.176 828.74 830.03 Okay . 830.03 ES2015b D FEE060 3 838.368 840.144 839.04 839.67 Okay . 839.67 ES2015b D FEE060 3 845.284 847.744 845.81 847.69 Oh . I just lost my microphone . 846.19 847.69 ES2015b A FEE057 0 848.018 850.256 848.018 850.256 No problem , we can 849.68 ES2015b D FEE060 3 849.024 886.864 849.04 886.73 Just a moment . Okay . So I'll be discussing the functional requirements of this remote control . Um , and I'll give you a little briefing on what that means exactly . Um , if you all remember from the email we got before our very first uh kick-off meeting , with the coffee machine ? The functional requirements of that was to produce hot coffee quickly . Um , so what I'll be talking about now is the equivalent for a remote control . Um , so basically what needs and desires are to be fulfilled . Um , I've done some marketing research , a lot of interviews with remote control users , um , and some internet research . And I'll show you my findings . 850.52 850.84 855.48 856.06 860.13 861.88 865.68 867.04 870.41 870.78 874.7 875.24 878.69 879.22 880.53 883.37 883.78 885.23 886.73 ES2015b D FEE060 3 889.072 909.168 889.26 909.06 Oh , and firstly I wanted to remind you about our company motto and purpose . So we believe in providing international market with fashionable products . Um , hence our motto , we put the fashion in electronics . So I think that should be our priority here . Um , and we should also be looking to trends in clothing and interior design . Not just in electronic fashion . So that it's something that fits in the household . 889.48 892.33 895.81 896.37 896.99 898.97 901.64 902.74 905.91 907.27 909.06 ES2015b A FEE057 0 911.792 914.158 912.01 913.7 I'm sorry , what was that last thing that you just said ? 912.33 913.7 ES2015b D FEE060 3 914.208 925.824 914.58 925.66 Um , we should be looking towards trends in both clothing and interior design . Any trends that are going on in , in the public , even media , you know who's famous , what T_V_ shows are being watched , um , to influence our remote control . 914.81 918.59 919.9 920.54 921.23 922.16 923.94 924.22 925.66 ES2015b A FEE057 0 918.096 919.048 918.33 918.64 Mm-hmm . 918.64 ES2015b B FEE058 1 919.9 920.831 920.05 920.77 Mm . 920.77 ES2015b B FEE058 1 922.738 923.577 922.97 923.4 Yeah . 923.4 ES2015b D FEE060 3 929.856 949.6 929.88 949.57 Okay , so the findings . Um , seventy five percent of users of remote controls find them ugly . Which is a , quite a significant number . Um , the other twenty five percent didn't specify if they love them or found them , you know , neutral . Eighty percent of users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy . Current remote controls do not match well the operating behaviour of the user . 930.2 931.62 932.01 935.02 935.62 937.23 937.6 941.14 941.46 942.41 946.18 949.57 ES2015b A FEE057 0 949.648 957.542 949.79 957.43 I'm sorry , that eighty percent of users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy . You mean that they would spend more money on a fancy-looking remote control ? 950.26 953.76 957.43 ES2015b D FEE060 3 956.288 986.213 956.31 986.13 Yeah , they're willing , they're willing to spend money on a remote control with personality . As opposed to your basic , you know , oval black , all same size button remote control . Um , so it is something that people care about . It's not , it's not ignored in the household . Um , seventy five percent of remote control users said that they zap a lot . Zapping meaning they go through channels a lot . They're you know thumb-masters . Um , and fifty percent of users say they only use ten percent of the buttons . That A very small amount . Thought that was interesting . 956.54 957.28 960.13 961.4 961.78 963.5 965.55 965.81 967.14 967.96 970.22 970.7 973.42 975.29 977.57 978.1 981.67 985.0 986.13 ES2015b A FEE057 0 959.928 960.779 960.15 960.63 Okay . 960.63 ES2015b B FEE058 1 961.432 963.762 961.85 963.23 Mm . Yeah . 962.99 963.23 ES2015b B FEE058 1 975.143 976.142 975.4 975.76 Mm-hmm . 975.76 ES2015b A FEE057 0 985.852 1005.31 986.46 1005.1 Alright , so it might be very appealing if , um , we have very concise buttons . And another thing with um lots of surfing , we'd probably have to work on something that could be um a lot more durable , because I find with um channel-changers that , um , a lot of the numbers get rubbed down if they're printed on the button . 986.64 988.47 989.21 991.09 993.47 998.0 1001.52 1001.72 1005.1 ES2015b B FEE058 1 986.277 987.535 986.72 987.14 Mm . 987.14 ES2015b B FEE058 1 988.053 991.97 988.053 991.46 the single function . Yeah . 991.24 991.46 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1001.515 1002.304 1001.65 1002.15 Yes . 1002.15 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1003.271 1005.564 1003.52 1005.09 Yeah . Yeah . 1004.49 1005.09 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1003.796 1005.427 1003.96 1005.03 Yeah that's a good point . 1005.03 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1005.088 1029.845 1005.38 1029.74 And actually to go with that , I'm gonna give you some statistics on the uh relevancy of the buttons , how much they're used . And uh how important the uh users find them . So the power button , obviously , in an hour is only used once . Hopefully the person's not turning on and off the T_V_ . Um , but the relevance of that button is nine out of ten . So people wanna be able to turn on the T_V_ with the remote control . Um , as opposed to standing up and turning on the television set . 1006.43 1010.58 1011.82 1014.56 1015.42 1015.96 1017.35 1019.55 1019.85 1022.29 1026.36 1027.26 1029.74 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1029.845 1053.417 1029.95 1053.07 Channel selection is used a hundred and sixty eight times on average per hour . That's a huge amount . This is the most important button . Um , so obviously when commercials come on they're changing it , so as you said we want a durable button that's not gonna run down . Relevance of that button , our users found was uh ten , ten out of ten . Uh , ditto for volume selection , so ten out of ten . And it's used on average four times an hour . Not as much as channel selection , but still significant . 1033.63 1034.47 1036.54 1037.17 1038.96 1041.64 1042.69 1044.49 1045.63 1045.91 1047.0 1048.08 1051.01 1052.11 1053.07 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1053.417 1072.464 1053.52 1072.3 Um , audio settings is used on average zero point eight times an hour . Relevance is two . Screen settings , which means brightness , colour etcetera , zero point five times an hour . Um , and relevance of one point five . We're getting to specific statistics here . Teletext , um , now I'm not too clear on what that is . I don't know if you can help me . Flipping pages . 1053.83 1056.8 1058.46 1059.26 1060.13 1060.94 1062.68 1063.42 1064.8 1067.29 1068.36 1069.27 1070.57 1071.27 1072.3 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1074.21 1075.283 1074.57 1075.283 Is that - ES2015b C FEE059 2 1074.077 1075.889 1074.6 1075.889 It's um - ES2015b B FEE058 1 1075.436 1079.616 1076.09 1079.51 It's like the news . Or like information . 1077.04 1079.51 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1076.816 1087.135 1077.43 1087.01 It has T_V_ has like information , it has information on holidays , the news , entertainment . No , li Yeah . 1080.49 1082.04 1083.23 1085.97 1086.1 1087.01 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1083.12 1091.439 1083.16 1091.439 Yeah . It's um No it's a button that you press , and then you , uh , like a menu pops up . I haven't used it before but 1084.43 1087.04 1087.79 1088.11 1089.45 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1083.065 1085.372 1083.24 1085.08 The and what's on . 1085.08 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1083.976 1086.344 1084.26 1086.344 So like a running banner , underneath 1085.49 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1089.141 1089.987 1089.44 1089.82 Yeah . 1089.82 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1089.69 1091.03 1090.08 1090.77 Oh . 1090.77 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1091.075 1091.939 1091.14 1091.939 It's like - ES2015b C FEE059 2 1090.704 1098.731 1091.14 1098.56 And you have page numbers like for the menu , and you press the page numbers with your remote , and it , it'll come up . 1093.91 1096.79 1097.8 1098.56 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1097.264 1098.377 1097.28 1098.22 Okay . 1098.22 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1097.198 1102.044 1097.39 1102.044 It's like very basic internet . Sort of , um 1099.78 1100.73 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1099.471 1110.458 1099.76 1110.03 Very basic internet , yeah . But you have Yeah . But you have no interaction back with it , you know . Like the internet you can send emails and You've no interaction . 1101.22 1101.82 1103.52 1105.76 1106.21 1110.03 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1101.472 1104.539 1101.49 1104.15 Okay . Like tells you the weather , and Okay . 1101.97 1103.0 1104.15 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1107.049 1115.488 1107.58 1115.488 Yeah , it's just information that um , like television timetables , what's on , what's on now , what's on next , on every channel , and 1108.38 1110.58 1112.01 1112.77 1113.58 1114.31 1115.21 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1107.831 1108.756 1107.99 1108.68 Right . 1108.68 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1114.416 1115.377 1114.64 1115.32 Yeah . 1115.32 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1115.728 1133.111 1115.77 1132.2 Alright . Well I guess I'm not with it , because I wasn't But it's , it's being used fourteen times an hour . Um , and has a r a high relevance of six point five . So it looks like something that we're gonna want to do some research on and include on our remote control . Um , channel settings . Zero point zero one times an hour . Relevance of three . Channel settings . 1116.03 1117.02 1118.02 1119.9 1120.24 1122.05 1126.38 1126.95 1128.12 1129.6 1131.13 1132.2 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1124.039 1125.038 1124.28 1124.89 Yeah . 1124.89 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1124.62 1125.582 1124.99 1125.54 Yeah . 1125.54 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1133.344 1145.399 1133.54 1145.04 Uh , probably just tuning in the channels , would it be ? Tuning them in at the very start . You know if you get a new T_V_ set , you tune in all the channels , do you th do you think ? Yeah . Yeah . 1133.76 1136.33 1138.42 1139.93 1141.25 1142.62 1143.61 1144.19 1145.04 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1136.88 1138.48 1137.06 1138.45 P Sorry . Changing the channels ? 1137.7 1138.45 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1141.981 1143.054 1142.15 1142.79 Oh , okay . 1142.26 1142.79 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1142.504 1146.573 1142.89 1146.49 To get the right reception and picture , I suppose . 1145.68 1146.49 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1144.432 1146.124 1144.45 1145.81 Yeah . Okay . 1145.47 1145.81 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1145.369 1146.257 1145.6 1145.86 Mm . 1145.86 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1147.049 1151.895 1147.39 1151.22 Um , so it's not used very often , but people still find it relevant . Okay . 1147.57 1148.57 1150.58 1151.22 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1152.848 1173.808 1152.89 1173.77 Um , biggest frustrations of uh the people that we interviewed . Remote controls are often lost somewhere . So that was already discussed by Poppy . How we could have a , an alarm system so that people can find it . Um , takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote control . So it should be very user-friendly , you know . People know what to do very quickly . Um , remote controls are bad for R_S_I_ . 1153.21 1156.96 1158.39 1159.68 1160.62 1163.83 1164.22 1166.76 1168.06 1168.59 1170.81 1171.76 1173.77 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1175.479 1177.514 1175.72 1177.18 Repetitive strain injury . 1177.18 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1175.823 1177.044 1175.98 1176.9 Repeti Uh . 1176.9 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1177.584 1180.784 1177.6 1180.48 Ah . Is that what it is ? People with arthritis and such ? 1178.5 1179.02 1180.48 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1178.15 1179.149 1178.41 1179.0 I think . 1179.0 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1180.0 1183.088 1180.02 1183.088 That's rather sad . 1182.92 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1183.008 1184.816 1183.03 1184.7 Um , maybe our 1183.72 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1183.625 1186.473 1183.97 1186.473 Oh , I'm guessing that's what it is . I'm not 1184.1 1185.46 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1185.059 1187.205 1185.26 1186.92 Yeah , yeah . I think it is . 1185.6 1185.84 1186.92 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1186.128 1198.577 1186.15 1198.06 designers can look into that . Um , buttons that don't require , you know , very firm pushing , if they respond . But we'll have to also avoid , you know , buttons responding to the slightest touch as well . That's a problem . 1187.61 1189.02 1191.17 1191.34 1192.58 1193.71 1195.4 1195.58 1197.44 1198.06 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1188.512 1188.96 1188.54 1188.92 Mm . 1188.92 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1191.593 1192.564 1191.85 1192.3 Yeah . 1192.3 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1197.867 1199.457 1198.31 1199.25 Yeah . It is . 1198.62 1199.25 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1200.528 1203.2 1200.72 1202.88 Okay . Did you guys uh get that one down ? 1201.19 1202.88 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1202.342 1203.785 1202.71 1203.5 Mm-hmm . 1203.5 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1203.456 1204.214 1203.48 1204.08 Yep . 1204.08 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1205.024 1214.4 1205.04 1213.98 Um okay , here's some ideas for you . A large percentage of the public would pay for voice recognition on the remote controls . So I'll show you some numbers here . 1207.13 1208.27 1212.3 1213.98 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1218.656 1233.338 1218.73 1233.27 Um , so the youngest age group , fifteen to twenty five . Ninety one point two percent said that they would pay extra money to have voice recogni voice recognition included on their remote control . Um , and you can see that number decreases a bit with ol s Interestingly enough , twenty five to thirty five is the lowest amount . 1219.17 1220.3 1221.31 1226.75 1227.03 1230.91 1233.27 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1234.32 1249.888 1234.36 1249.85 Um , that would , are willing to pay extra . So I guess we're gonna have to figure out what age group we're , we're targeting , and if and if voice recognition is something we wanna look into . And if we have the budget for it . Um , if we are targeting young adults , it looks like something that would pay off . Seeing as ninety percent , over ninety percent would pay for it . 1234.77 1235.14 1236.62 1238.76 1239.37 1242.26 1243.95 1244.48 1246.42 1247.9 1248.8 1249.85 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1251.027 1272.4 1251.92 1272.32 I agree with um if we're targeting young adults then it would be something we should look into . Um , financially and and functionally . Um , and especially if we are um trying to be trendy , go with fashions , things like that . Um , ages like from thirty five to sixty five which show lower numbers probably won't be as concerned . 1256.76 1257.09 1259.26 1260.55 1263.34 1264.74 1265.46 1265.78 1272.32 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1256.4 1257.584 1256.68 1257.49 Mm-hmm . 1257.49 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1263.84 1264.654 1263.93 1264.27 Mm . 1264.27 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1273.008 1285.36 1273.96 1285.32 So that , that's a whole other field of research . I don't know if it'd be , if we'd still have a remote , or if you're talking to your television and saying change channel . Um and depending on how many members you have in households . So it m it may be too complicated for us , but it's something to keep in mind anyway . 1274.31 1275.91 1276.55 1277.46 1280.29 1282.38 1283.96 1285.32 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1280.72 1281.705 1280.76 1281.59 Mm-hmm . 1281.59 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1281.349 1282.32 1281.51 1282.16 Yeah . 1282.16 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1284.192 1291.44 1284.21 1291.44 Yeah . And something that might further complicate it is that the T_V_ makes noise itself . Wonder if it would have 1285.55 1290.39 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1289.696 1290.464 1289.83 1290.19 Right . 1290.19 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1290.33 1291.514 1290.54 1291.35 Yeah . 1291.35 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1291.872 1311.502 1291.89 1310.84 And if there was conversation in the room at the same time , although in theory it doesn't tend to be when you're watching television , but could be very difficult to get the specific uh design . Yeah . 1296.34 1300.02 1310.49 1310.84 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1295.004 1295.929 1295.31 1295.86 Mm-hmm . 1295.86 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1295.52 1296.288 1295.54 1296.08 Yeah . 1296.08 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1308.192 1321.6 1308.21 1321.6 Yeah . If we're looking for a simplistic design , if We need to decide if that is our um intention is , is a simplistic design . Um , because if , if it is then I think voice , um voice-activated 1308.45 1310.02 1313.39 1315.24 1316.6 1318.33 1319.9 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1309.878 1310.766 1310.08 1310.46 Mm-hmm . 1310.46 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1313.5 1314.499 1313.81 1314.42 Mm . 1314.42 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1321.419 1323.158 1321.86 1323.158 It looks like - ES2015b A FEE057 0 1322.64 1332.896 1322.66 1332.85 Yeah , and that would sort of negate the whole remote control thing , because if people can activate the television with their voice then they won't be using a , they won't be talking into a remote , I'm sure . 1322.92 1326.05 1330.81 1332.37 1332.85 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1325.783 1326.645 1326.05 1326.42 Mm-hmm . 1326.42 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1328.887 1331.95 1329.36 1331.95 It'd be like the ultimate remote . 1331.71 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1333.776 1350.638 1333.8 1350.38 Um okay . And th the last thing here was a , an L_C_D_ screen . So , I mean voice recognition might be a little too extreme for us . Not practical . Um an L_C_D_ screen though might be something that , you know , you can shift through pages kind of li the way this PowerPoint is working . So that you don't have so many buttons to deal with . 1335.59 1337.01 1338.19 1338.55 1340.87 1341.83 1344.4 1344.73 1347.96 1350.38 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1347.475 1348.696 1347.8 1348.62 Yeah . 1348.62 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1349.984 1352.134 1350.22 1351.93 Um , I don't know what an L_C_D_ screen is . 1350.39 1351.93 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1351.584 1355.76 1351.74 1355.76 Oh sorry , just , just a screen , like a computer screen . S Or like um 1352.11 1352.4 1352.93 1354.49 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1355.224 1358.035 1355.72 1357.66 Mobile phone . Yeah . 1357.26 1357.66 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1356.944 1362.641 1356.96 1362.5 Yeah . Or Like an alarm clock . You'd have an L_C_D_ versus just a , a normal clock . 1357.32 1358.44 1360.64 1362.5 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1357.019 1357.796 1357.13 1357.67 Mm . 1357.67 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1360.234 1363.304 1360.63 1362.71 What , what would appear on the screen ? 1361.19 1362.71 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1362.656 1365.456 1362.81 1365.456 I have no idea still . I'm sorry . 1364.33 1365.17 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1364.335 1379.983 1364.73 1379.38 Oh just like an electronic screen . As opposed to just buttons . There would be like a little , like on Yeah . Like on the top of a cellphone , the the little L_C_D_ screen . Um , now that's , I , I dunno exactly what exactly we'd put on there . I guess the channel that you're on , the v the volume setting . 1366.32 1367.22 1368.79 1370.48 1371.7 1373.28 1374.34 1374.68 1374.86 1376.89 1377.93 1379.38 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1368.048 1370.544 1368.19 1370.35 Oh , on the remote . Okay . 1368.57 1369.8 1370.35 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1371.88 1372.805 1372.12 1372.64 Yeah . 1372.64 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1377.561 1378.892 1377.9 1378.82 Yeah . 1378.82 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1379.78 1385.662 1379.93 1385.662 Could it it It would be good if it had the actual programme that was on , and what was next . But that would probably be 1383.36 1384.14 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1385.22 1388.919 1385.58 1388.64 Like linked in with the teletext , or sort of like an 1387.54 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1386.123 1387.751 1386.64 1387.07 Mm-hmm . 1387.07 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1386.402 1389.546 1386.65 1389.29 Yeah . That would be good , yeah . 1387.79 1388.72 1389.29 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1390.48 1397.501 1390.73 1396.92 teletext at your fingers , without having to access that through the television . 1392.47 1396.92 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1392.542 1393.726 1392.92 1393.6 Yeah . 1393.6 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1397.695 1401.099 1398.04 1400.47 Might be quite expensive to do that though . 1400.47 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1401.568 1404.233 1401.59 1403.57 Mm , Yeah . 1403.23 1403.57 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1405.024 1406.231 1405.04 1406.231 Could be . 1405.73 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1405.968 1427.48 1405.968 1427.35 Well I guess that's something we can all take back to our respective research . Um , and finally , whoops , my personal preferences and thoughts . Um , I think our priority really should be unique design . Um , we want something that people want in their home . Every remote control looks the same , so uh in my opinion it should be , um , user-friendly and unique . 1411.15 1411.73 1412.89 1413.78 1415.86 1416.3 1418.86 1419.29 1420.9 1422.34 1425.08 1425.8 1427.35 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1406.464 1407.371 1406.48 1406.97 Right . 1406.97 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1410.334 1411.407 1410.68 1411.21 Mm-hmm . 1411.21 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1427.48 1451.728 1427.66 1451.69 So the other stuff might be a little too , a little too gadgety for some people . Um , I th myself , voice recognition kind of scares me off . So if we're , if we're aiming to make this an international university , universally accepted product Um , and for all , the other thing is like age market . I mean if we wanted to concentrate on fifteen to twenty five years olds , we could go for the fancy stuff . But if we wanna make fifty million , and and have everyone want this remote control , we should maybe 1429.99 1432.5 1433.23 1434.05 1436.07 1436.58 1438.87 1441.77 1442.24 1443.38 1445.77 1447.39 1448.92 1451.05 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1432.007 1433.143 1432.44 1432.64 Yeah . 1432.64 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1436.474 1437.437 1436.82 1437.2 Mm . 1437.2 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1453.024 1454.16 1453.04 1454.13 stick to the basics . 1454.13 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1454.24 1455.049 1454.27 1454.91 Mm-hmm . 1454.91 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1454.656 1468.937 1454.68 1468.74 And we should keep in mind that fifteen to twenty five year olds might not have twenty five Euros to spend on a remote control . Like their priorities might not be a fancy remote control , when they're just starting out and , yeah . 1461.06 1464.6 1468.1 1468.74 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1460.47 1461.395 1460.68 1461.14 Mm-hmm . 1461.14 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1467.312 1481.824 1467.34 1481.79 Right . And we have to keep in mind the , the reliability of our research . I mean , you know , a sixteen year old boy would say , yeah I'd pay extra for voice recognition , until they realise that's three months allowance . Um , so I I think , I think the older generations we should be catering to a bit more . 1467.84 1468.89 1470.75 1471.28 1471.53 1472.47 1474.18 1477.0 1478.14 1478.83 1481.79 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1472.414 1478.333 1472.414 1478.333 Yeah . Yeah . 1477.17 1478.2 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1481.866 1487.367 1482.33 1487.26 Early twenties , that's the kind of age group . Twenties . 1484.32 1486.4 1487.26 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1483.872 1484.48 1483.89 1484.35 Yeah . 1484.35 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1485.712 1500.764 1485.8 1500.72 And if one of the largest , uh , or most complained about thing is that it takes so long to get to know how to use a remote control , I'm sure that something like an L_C_D_ screen or remote control would be just furthering that problem . 1487.2 1487.49 1493.38 1500.72 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1491.755 1492.553 1491.93 1492.3 Yeah . 1492.3 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1492.437 1493.371 1492.65 1493.05 Yeah . 1493.05 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1500.013 1506.672 1500.45 1506.26 Yeah . Complicated jus complicating things even fo Mm . Okay . 1501.15 1505.41 1506.26 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1500.589 1501.403 1500.79 1500.98 Yep . 1500.98 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1501.8 1502.502 1502.02 1502.41 Yeah . 1502.41 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1501.879 1503.062 1502.18 1502.74 Yeah . 1502.74 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1504.608 1505.721 1504.71 1505.44 Alright . 1505.44 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1504.88 1507.876 1505.21 1507.21 Okay . That's it for the market research . 1505.61 1507.21 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1507.152 1569.381 1507.18 1568.57 Okay . Before we go into uh more discussion on we want this design to look like , I've received some information from the management that will affect some of our decisions . Um , for one thing , because Having controls with D_V_D_ , V_C_R_ , that sort of thing , would really complicate the design of the remote control . Um , we've decided not to include them and make it a specific , just a specific television um function . Which is good as , as we've sort of decided that we would like to go with that anyway . Um , for many reasons . So um we have that decision sort of made for us . Another thing that might um affect other decisions is that um the management feels that teletext is outdated , because more people are using the internet now . And so uh we won't concern ourselves with um navigating the teletext option . Yep . 1508.07 1515.81 1520.83 1521.65 1522.4 1526.69 1527.29 1528.39 1532.61 1533.95 1537.36 1540.74 1541.8 1546.08 1546.25 1547.11 1550.98 1559.43 1561.78 1568.4 1568.57 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1566.927 1568.666 1567.36 1568.51 Can I just interrupt ? 1568.51 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1569.054 1576.379 1569.34 1575.74 Would you like to plug in your Have you got a PowerPoint or not ? Okay . Thanks . 1574.85 1575.27 1575.74 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1570.351 1573.014 1571.12 1573.014 Yeah . Maybe we can do the 1571.31 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1572.48 1573.229 1572.5 1573.07 Okay , sure . 1572.68 1573.07 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1574.256 1577.779 1574.28 1577.57 Yeah I do . I'm looking at looking at it right now . 1574.83 1577.57 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1577.808 1579.969 1578.48 1579.73 There you go . 1579.73 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1579.28 1580.496 1579.28 1580.31 thank you . 1580.31 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1582.447 1584.555 1582.83 1583.64 Oh , come back screen . 1582.98 1583.64 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1588.218 1589.253 1588.5 1588.74 Hmm . 1588.74 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1593.952 1601.359 1593.97 1601.08 Were they , was the management suggesting use of the internet rather than teletext , or just avoiding both altogether ? 1595.3 1599.39 1601.08 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1601.232 1614.528 1601.57 1614.49 Um , well , I mean we don't have the resources or or possibility of using the internet with the remote control , but um they were just pretty much saying that the teletext would not be used . 1602.27 1603.84 1609.32 1614.49 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1605.354 1608.091 1605.354 1607.71 Yeah . Yeah . 1607.19 1607.71 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1611.753 1612.678 1612.04 1612.52 Okay . 1612.52 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1613.696 1615.157 1613.72 1614.81 Yeah . Okay . 1614.53 1614.81 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1616.64 1625.024 1616.76 1624.96 Alright , and another thing . This is for the design , the design of the product is that um we wanna create , um 1616.97 1617.7 1619.62 1624.32 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1626.16 1652.192 1626.24 1652.16 more of a sense that people know that this is from our company . So , um , all the remote controls must have our um We'll incorporate our logo and colour in in some way . So , um , perhaps um our logo on the bottom , or wherever you feel like it would look good . Um , it doesn't have to be the colour of our um of our company but , another thing is that , um 1630.18 1630.63 1631.1 1637.87 1638.45 1639.38 1642.39 1644.66 1645.51 1650.56 1651.72 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1630.505 1631.286 1630.62 1631.15 Right . 1631.15 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1636.729 1638.246 1636.95 1638.06 Yeah . Yeah . 1637.58 1638.06 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1643.705 1644.511 1643.91 1644.24 Okay . 1644.24 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1648.484 1649.816 1648.92 1649.816 Just - ES2015b A FEE057 0 1653.504 1673.248 1654.42 1673.21 we need to , we probably would have to have that colour and , and logo decided upon . Um , I'm assuming that we already have one , but for the purposes of this meeting I , I wasn't offered a , like a type of logo or colour , so if that could be um somewhere on the design so that we can be recognisable . 1655.1 1658.46 1660.43 1661.5 1662.97 1665.62 1667.44 1668.98 1673.21 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1669.29 1671.324 1669.75 1671.23 Okay . Work on that . 1670.18 1671.23 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1673.177 1676.006 1673.54 1676.006 It's probably R_ R_R_ in yellow . 1675.96 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1675.36 1676.78 1675.38 1676.68 Yeah . 1676.68 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1676.392 1677.539 1676.76 1677.13 Yeah . 1677.13 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1677.202 1681.234 1677.55 1680.63 The little R_ R_ yellow thing ? Okay . Real Reaction ? 1678.99 1679.97 1680.63 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1678.773 1681.1 1679.04 1680.28 Yeah , I think . 1679.4 1680.28 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1678.888 1679.998 1679.05 1679.87 Yeah . 1679.87 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1678.873 1679.847 1679.07 1679.49 Mm-hmm . 1679.49 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1682.784 1692.32 1682.9 1692.27 Okay . Um , yes , those are the changes . Um , so , now we need to discuss , um 1684.06 1684.87 1685.1 1686.66 1687.97 1688.92 1691.68 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1693.744 1717.392 1693.85 1717.35 and come to a decision on our remote control functions , of , of how this is going to be . I'm just going to look at my notes for a second . Um , we have to decide on a target group and the functions of the remote control . So , um , we already know that it'll just be for the television . It'll It won't have teletext . But um , you know , we could discuss um those other options that you brought up , Genevieve . 1697.61 1697.83 1698.77 1701.5 1701.86 1705.81 1706.91 1707.31 1709.27 1711.27 1713.5 1713.74 1716.13 1717.35 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1705.479 1706.645 1705.9 1706.5 Okay . 1706.5 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1719.329 1724.171 1719.61 1723.96 Okay , so I Are we going to write off the L_C_D_ option ? Yeah ? 1719.89 1723.67 1723.96 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1722.432 1723.209 1722.68 1723.08 Yeah . 1723.08 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1723.146 1726.993 1723.47 1726.9 Is that how most people feel about that ? Okay . 1726.13 1726.9 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1723.405 1724.774 1723.56 1724.46 Yeah . 1724.46 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1725.281 1726.095 1725.44 1725.89 Yeah . 1725.89 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1725.936 1732.272 1726.04 1732.1 Okay . So no L_C_D_ , no teletext , and no voice recognition . 1726.81 1728.39 1729.58 1732.1 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1731.503 1740.122 1731.72 1740.122 I think it would be annoying though if I don't use teletext that much , but if it was on your T_V_ , you'd want to be able to use it , if 1734.83 1737.3 1739.26 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1740.272 1749.12 1740.29 1749.08 Yeah , but another thing is that if we're reaching an international crowd , um , I know for one that in North America there is no such thing as teletext , so it'd be really superfluous . 1740.47 1743.49 1744.87 1747.76 1749.08 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1740.541 1742.132 1740.64 1741.82 You'd Yeah . 1741.82 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1745.922 1748.794 1746.43 1748.5 Yeah . Never heard of it . 1747.77 1748.5 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1746.756 1751.743 1747.1 1751.67 So is it just Okay . Alright . Right . 1749.41 1750.94 1751.67 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1747.502 1748.356 1747.8 1748.12 Yeah . 1748.12 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1750.24 1756.212 1750.33 1755.41 Yeah . I don't know about other countries besides the U_K_ . Do you know if anywhere else has it ? 1751.03 1752.75 1755.41 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1753.636 1754.931 1753.82 1754.76 I don't know . 1754.76 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1753.864 1763.408 1754.27 1763.408 I don't know . More research required , I think . But if Was it a management decision that we're having Okay . So 1755.91 1757.0 1758.52 1762.64 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1755.449 1756.67 1755.74 1756.53 I don't know . 1756.53 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1758.061 1759.171 1758.19 1758.96 Alright . 1758.96 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1761.084 1765.301 1761.63 1765.06 It was a management decision , so it's , it's pretty much out of our hands at this point . 1762.8 1763.3 1765.06 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1762.033 1763.106 1762.31 1762.99 Yeah . 1762.99 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1764.407 1765.369 1764.57 1765.17 Okay . 1765.17 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1764.66 1766.176 1764.87 1765.8 Okay then . 1765.8 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1765.93 1766.707 1766.23 1766.44 'Kay . 1766.44 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1767.472 1769.999 1767.63 1769.59 So , I guess we're looking at something rather simple . 1767.93 1769.59 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1771.426 1775.901 1771.86 1775.85 Um , well I guess , just from my findings it looks like we wanna minimise buttons . 1772.56 1773.0 1775.85 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1776.224 1777.465 1776.59 1776.93 'Kay . 1776.93 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1777.312 1778.491 1777.39 1777.86 Um . 1777.86 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1778.912 1781.017 1779.47 1781.017 Minimal - ES2015b D FEE060 3 1781.45 1785.741 1781.89 1785.25 And the What was the word they used ? F findability is important . 1783.36 1785.25 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1787.994 1796.909 1788.58 1796.8 Yeah . I think we should definitely go ahead with the alarm system idea that you had . 'Cause I'm sure that could be inex inexpensive because we could use the same kind of infrared 1788.99 1792.89 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1791.473 1792.978 1791.473 1792.83 Mm-hmm . 1792.83 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1791.448 1793.237 1791.69 1793.2 Yeah okay . 1793.2 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1792.409 1793.741 1792.69 1793.53 Yeah . 1793.53 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1796.257 1798.847 1796.56 1798.847 Yeah . The same signalling . I mean 1797.02 1798.11 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1797.723 1804.344 1797.99 1804.04 the same signal through that and it could just like make a little beeping noise . It's not that expensive to do . 1802.3 1804.04 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1801.98 1808.787 1802.54 1808.65 Or vibrate just the same as a mobile phone . Like you just a , a buzz or something . Yeah . 1805.24 1806.61 1807.9 1808.65 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1806.48 1806.816 1806.5 1806.78 Yeah . 1806.78 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1807.065 1808.212 1807.49 1808.09 Mm-hmm . 1808.09 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1807.84 1809.893 1807.86 1809.48 Yeah . Okay . I like that idea . 1808.07 1808.4 1809.48 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1809.472 1818.198 1809.92 1817.92 Would you be able to , um , put the little device anywhere ? 'Cause uh isn't our remote control for 1810.86 1811.22 1815.14 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1818.976 1820.751 1819.0 1820.43 all T_V_s , so 1819.94 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1821.232 1828.738 1821.25 1828.738 If Do you mean the the link between the Well , if the button was actually on 1826.05 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1821.121 1822.267 1821.46 1822.08 you'd ha - ES2015b C FEE059 2 1824.561 1828.889 1824.71 1828.54 Yeah , with the button that you pressed . Yeah . 1825.11 1827.89 1828.54 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1824.928 1828.923 1825.41 1828.35 Yeah . The button Oh . 1825.93 1828.35 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1829.107 1832.733 1829.28 1832.733 Oh , yeah . 1829.75 1831.84 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1829.333 1837.652 1829.41 1837.53 C 'cause then it would only be a applicable to one T_V_ set , so it would need to be something that you could stick somewhere , or something . 1834.21 1836.97 1837.53 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1829.792 1832.832 1829.792 1832.75 Minor detail there . 1832.75 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1834.775 1848.314 1835.4 1847.75 Maybe Yeah , yeah . Maybe something adhesive that you could like stick onto the back of any set that would be um yeah not very obtrusive . Obviously something small that's Yeah , that's a good point . 1836.85 1837.18 1844.93 1846.77 1847.75 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1836.987 1838.541 1837.35 1838.49 Yeah , it would have t 1837.48 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1840.168 1841.388 1840.42 1841.26 Yeah . 1841.26 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1841.936 1843.507 1841.96 1843.41 Mm-hmm . 1843.41 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1845.864 1846.789 1846.03 1846.64 Yeah . 1846.64 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1847.536 1857.168 1847.56 1857.12 Yeah . Then it wouldn't , it probably wouldn't be able to use It would be able to use the same reception on the remote c control I guess , but the actual device would have to have its own infrared signaller . Okay . 1847.88 1848.69 1853.31 1856.76 1857.12 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1854.95 1855.875 1855.17 1855.66 Yeah . 1855.66 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1855.869 1857.052 1856.04 1856.7 Yeah . 1856.7 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1856.625 1857.809 1856.88 1857.62 Yeah , okay . 1857.12 1857.62 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1858.051 1860.012 1858.24 1859.88 Would it need a battery then ? 1859.88 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1860.544 1861.344 1860.56 1861.344 Maybe , um 1860.93 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1862.575 1885.732 1862.91 1885.27 Pr probably . Unless it could be Okay . Um , unless some way , it could have some universal connection to like the socket , the same socket that the T_V_'s supplied from . I mean the power for the T_V_ . So , mm , more research into that one . Yeah . 1864.74 1869.44 1871.07 1872.62 1876.7 1879.91 1881.37 1882.57 1883.18 1884.6 1885.27 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1863.186 1869.249 1863.68 1869.17 Probably , I mean . That's your department you'll have to sort that out . 1864.17 1865.3 1869.17 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1866.798 1867.619 1866.94 1867.26 Mm . 1867.26 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1880.755 1881.762 1880.94 1881.66 Yeah . 1881.66 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1881.552 1891.168 1881.57 1891.11 Yeah , you'll have to Yeah , you'll have to investi Do some research on that , alright ? Great . Um , alright , and I'm sure that , um 1882.54 1883.29 1885.53 1886.96 1887.8 1889.33 1889.72 1890.7 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1884.226 1885.224 1884.3 1885.09 Mm . 1885.09 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1892.736 1901.085 1893.35 1900.67 um , the glow-in-the-dark , fluorescent , whatever , system , um is a go ahead . Is everyone interested in that ? 1893.83 1894.62 1895.74 1896.41 1898.09 1899.3 1900.67 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1899.203 1899.849 1899.34 1899.65 Y - ES2015b D FEE060 3 1899.372 1901.037 1900.03 1900.76 On the buttons ? 1900.76 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1901.04 1910.528 1901.06 1910.49 I I like the light up suggestion . I think that would be better . 'Cause you know the way fluorescent lights lose their brightness after certain time , so 1903.22 1904.63 1910.01 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1903.588 1904.661 1903.83 1904.37 Yeah . 1904.37 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1904.784 1905.82 1904.98 1905.31 Yeah . 1905.31 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1908.101 1909.839 1908.3 1909.59 Yeah . Yeah . 1909.04 1909.59 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1909.815 1910.666 1910.05 1910.48 Yeah . 1910.48 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1911.063 1927.34 1911.063 1927.09 it doesn't It could it could be a tactile thing as well . Um right , if w if we're minimising buttons , we might be able to make them actually larger . And there's something on it . S you know like up arrow down arrow for , for volume . Um , and I don't know what we could do for , for channels . S 1914.66 1915.12 1916.6 1918.2 1919.1 1921.87 1922.99 1923.65 1924.9 1926.65 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1910.949 1911.985 1911.15 1911.56 Yeah . 1911.56 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1911.357 1912.837 1911.6 1912.837 I would go for - ES2015b B FEE058 1 1919.363 1921.175 1919.68 1921.175 Like a raised - ES2015b C FEE059 2 1927.28 1931.571 1927.48 1931.38 Well just the numbers could be embossed , couldn't it ? Like raised . 1929.86 1930.47 1931.38 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1931.15 1936.218 1931.55 1935.83 The numbers themselves . But then the like up button and down button for the channel , channel changing . 1932.47 1935.03 1935.83 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1932.368 1934.16 1932.39 1933.72 Yeah . Could be raised . 1932.64 1933.72 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1936.047 1940.412 1936.31 1940.02 Just little arrows , that you could feel , maybe ? 1938.75 1939.63 1940.02 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1938.531 1939.604 1938.8 1939.08 Yeah . 1939.08 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1939.088 1940.855 1939.24 1940.855 Yeah - ES2015b A FEE057 0 1940.32 1941.385 1940.34 1941.13 Hmm . 1941.13 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1940.344 1945.671 1940.8 1945.3 I just thought that it , it might be sucking more battery power , if there , if it is a light up . I'm not sure . 1941.78 1943.33 1943.84 1944.62 1945.3 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1945.517 1946.7 1945.69 1946.65 Yeah . 1946.65 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1946.114 1967.902 1946.57 1967.79 That's true . And also y , uh Heather you mentioned before , um like how it should be accessible to everybody . Um , so like big b um buttons , for people you are visually impaired . The glow-in-the-dark or light up won't make any difference anyway . So like you say tactile might be better , because it'd be more available to everybody . 1947.67 1948.71 1950.2 1953.83 1954.31 1957.24 1958.91 1961.51 1963.6 1967.79 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1946.72 1949.357 1946.74 1949.357 Yeah . But I mean 1947.75 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1953.352 1954.24 1953.59 1954.12 Yeah . 1954.12 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1958.535 1959.829 1958.88 1959.57 Yeah . 1959.57 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1959.144 1959.936 1959.27 1959.53 Mm-hmm . 1959.53 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1961.944 1964.386 1962.31 1964.09 That , I think that's good , yeah . 1962.53 1963.51 1964.09 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1965.68 1966.41 1965.7 1966.03 Yeah . 1966.03 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1967.029 1991.925 1967.51 1991.78 Could we somehow We could , may , possibly , sorry , incorporate them both so that the buttons could maybe be in the shape of the numbers themselves and be made out of some glow-in-the-dark material . 'Cause I d I don't think that glow-in-the-dark material , um , like the actual soft plastic , um , costs that much more than other colours . 1968.72 1969.23 1970.37 1971.15 1980.88 1984.08 1984.68 1987.07 1987.82 1991.78 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1972.756 1973.865 1973.18 1973.66 Mm-hmm . 1973.66 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1973.249 1975.247 1973.4 1975.19 Yeah . Yeah . 1974.09 1975.19 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1973.449 1974.67 1973.78 1974.51 Yeah . 1974.51 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1977.296 1978.369 1977.53 1978.18 Yeah . 1978.18 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1979.242 1981.868 1979.56 1981.72 Mm-hmm . Yeah . 1980.87 1981.72 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1980.514 1981.402 1980.67 1980.98 Yeah . 1980.98 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1980.759 1981.525 1980.88 1981.14 Mm-hmm . 1981.14 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1989.921 1991.955 1990.27 1991.8 No , I wouldn't say so . 1990.45 1991.8 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1989.728 1995.037 1990.45 1994.98 No , it's not these days . I mean , it's quite easily accessible . 1990.88 1992.11 1992.3 1994.98 ES2015b A FEE057 0 1992.928 1993.536 1992.95 1993.39 Yeah . 1993.39 ES2015b D FEE060 3 1993.52 2014.194 1993.54 2014.194 I guess the other option , referring to the battery thing is , you know how cellphones will t light up for fifteen seconds or something , when you're s and then it goes , so if , if you're like changing the volume during a movie . I know , I'm thinking of mostly when you're watching a movie you turn all the lights off right . And you don't want to turn on the lights , to turn it down , because there's suddenly an explosion , and it's gonna wake up the baby . Um , so if you touch the button , it kind of reactivates it . It lights up for 1994.64 1995.69 1998.87 2000.48 2001.16 2002.74 2003.01 2005.73 2007.15 2007.95 2009.29 2010.7 2011.25 2012.39 2013.39 ES2015b B FEE058 1 1997.967 2000.853 1998.31 2000.52 Yeah . Yeah . 1999.36 2000.52 ES2015b C FEE059 2 1998.588 2001.792 1998.96 2001.68 That's good Yeah that a good idea . 2001.68 ES2015b B FEE058 1 2003.578 2004.54 2003.84 2004.16 Yeah . 2004.16 ES2015b C FEE059 2 2005.454 2006.748 2005.69 2006.43 Yeah . 2006.43 ES2015b B FEE058 1 2005.502 2006.649 2005.77 2006.46 Yeah . 2006.46 ES2015b C FEE059 2 2009.328 2011.631 2009.328 2011.19 Yeah . 2011.19 ES2015b C FEE059 2 2013.326 2015.2 2013.64 2015.16 That , yeah , that's a good idea . 2013.98 2014.19 2015.16 ES2015b B FEE058 1 2013.307 2014.898 2013.71 2014.69 Yeah . Yeah . 2014.13 2014.69 ES2015b D FEE060 3 2014.934 2016.192 2015.19 2016.07 On self timer . 2016.07 ES2015b B FEE058 1 2015.674 2018.338 2016.16 2018.05 So self-timed lighting . 2018.05 ES2015b D FEE060 3 2017.742 2018.889 2018.07 2018.28 Yeah . 2018.28 ES2015b A FEE057 0 2018.0 2020.48 2018.53 2020.42 Alright we have five minutes left - ES2015b B FEE058 1 2020.791 2022.308 2021.02 2022.308 Um , I 2021.73 ES2015b A FEE057 0 2021.648 2034.868 2021.67 2034.53 um , for the meeting , but I think we should discuss this light subject a little bit more before we close . Um , what was I missed the last moment , reading that . What were you talking about with the lighting up buttons ? 2022.11 2022.74 2027.9 2028.53 2030.77 2031.38 2034.53 ES2015b D FEE060 3 2033.168 2046.832 2033.55 2046.8 Oh , just if it was kinda the same way that a cell You know how a cellphone will light up for about ten , fifteen seconds when you touch a button , after having not touched it for a while . Um , if instead of a constant light up on the , on the remote control , if it lights up for ten seconds when it's touched again . 2034.03 2037.32 2038.79 2040.54 2040.83 2043.04 2043.71 2046.8 ES2015b A FEE057 0 2038.716 2039.566 2038.93 2039.39 Yeah . 2039.39 ES2015b A FEE057 0 2040.084 2040.972 2040.23 2040.92 Yeah . 2040.92 ES2015b A FEE057 0 2047.04 2050.052 2047.31 2049.49 Mm . So it could be any button that would be pressed . 2047.58 2049.49 ES2015b D FEE060 3 2049.456 2060.93 2049.48 2060.93 Yeah , and you , you touch it and it just kind of lights up a bit , and it gives a faint glow . So if you have all the lights off in your living room , you'll , you'll temporarily see it . Because usually you're not fooling around for it for more than what ten seconds . So 2049.66 2050.03 2051.59 2052.62 2054.69 2055.22 2056.5 2059.93 ES2015b B FEE058 1 2049.314 2050.35 2049.49 2050.14 Yeah . 2050.14 ES2015b B FEE058 1 2051.588 2053.511 2051.89 2053.511 So , self-timed 2052.03 ES2015b A FEE057 0 2054.608 2055.496 2054.71 2055.26 Yeah . 2055.26 ES2015b B FEE058 1 2058.468 2059.541 2058.85 2059.18 Yeah . 2059.18 ES2015b C FEE059 2 2058.756 2060.242 2058.94 2059.93 Yeah . 2059.93 ES2015b A FEE057 0 2059.376 2068.624 2059.4 2068.59 Okay , so That's probably feasible . So , do you think that we should do the lighting up thing , and the glow-in-the-dark thing , and the shape of the numbers ? Do we have to kind of decide what we're gonna do with this . 2059.78 2061.87 2062.19 2064.08 2065.35 2066.67 2068.59 ES2015b B FEE058 1 2060.466 2061.687 2060.9 2061.52 Yeah . 2061.52 ES2015b D FEE060 3 2068.397 2069.204 2068.56 2069.07 Mm-hmm . 2069.07 ES2015b B FEE058 1 2068.155 2082.397 2068.63 2082.16 I think the shape of the numbers is a really good idea . And I think that's un unique as well . I mean , I haven't seen that . And as you're saying like numbers can wear off if they're just sort of like painted on , you know printed . 2071.16 2073.01 2073.31 2075.73 2080.57 2082.16 ES2015b C FEE059 2 2070.378 2074.632 2070.68 2074.45 Yeah . For visually impaired , yeah . 2071.57 2073.54 2074.45 ES2015b A FEE057 0 2070.816 2071.838 2070.84 2071.62 Yeah , okay . 2071.15 2071.62 ES2015b A FEE057 0 2072.874 2073.688 2073.09 2073.53 Yeah . 2073.53 ES2015b D FEE060 3 2075.614 2076.476 2075.72 2076.32 Mm-hmm . 2076.32 ES2015b A FEE057 0 2079.184 2117.689 2079.2 2117.39 Yeah , yeah . And it could , if it's that softer rubber material it'll be , maybe , um , uh , better for people with um els no what's it called , R_S_I_ , what was it that we were talking about ? Yeah . Yeah instead of like hard buttons . Okay . Um , did we want to go for the glow-in-the-dark look ? Or did we want to go for the lighting up instantly ? Like should we do both ? Or we can have one or the other ? Because it might , for , for our design purposes , I mean , the lighting up thing might be better because glow-in-the-dark material has a funny kinda colour . And it might not go with different like face plates that we might come up with . 2080.24 2080.58 2081.03 2083.91 2084.05 2085.09 2085.39 2088.14 2089.05 2090.46 2091.61 2092.92 2093.64 2095.57 2099.67 2102.39 2103.5 2104.49 2106.35 2106.71 2108.63 2109.09 2113.99 2117.39 ES2015b B FEE058 1 2085.763 2088.08 2085.763 2087.51 durable . 2087.51 ES2015b B FEE058 1 2089.279 2094.454 2089.48 2094.34 Oh yeah . Yeah . Yeah . Repetitive strain injury . Mm-hmm . 2090.66 2090.99 2091.43 2093.37 2094.34 ES2015b C FEE059 2 2089.674 2091.006 2089.9 2090.89 Yeah . 2090.89 ES2015b D FEE060 3 2089.652 2091.353 2089.99 2091.353 Oh right , the 2090.66 ES2015b C FEE059 2 2099.625 2100.959 2099.81 2100.959 If - ES2015b D FEE060 3 2110.827 2111.789 2111.0 2111.35 Mm-hmm . 2111.35 ES2015b D FEE060 3 2113.707 2115.63 2113.86 2115.63 I was gonna say , 2115.3 ES2015b D FEE060 3 2116.996 2125.134 2117.35 2125.134 Exactly . It the it might be perceived as tacky , glow-in-the-dark . It's kind of like Eighties neon-style . Um , whereas we're trying to be trendy and fashionable . So 2117.91 2119.94 2120.49 2122.32 2122.62 2124.08 ES2015b B FEE058 1 2117.288 2118.62 2117.64 2118.29 Yeah . 2118.29 ES2015b A FEE057 0 2120.656 2121.088 2120.68 2121.05 Yeah . 2121.05 ES2015b B FEE058 1 2121.764 2137.485 2122.29 2137.485 Yeah , and we could Yeah there are now like loads , or a huge range of different colours that it could light up in as well , which could like link in with the company colours . Like it could be blue or green or yellow , or like we've just limited t with the , just ordinary phosphorescent so 2122.71 2125.23 2127.86 2130.25 2132.85 2134.91 ES2015b D FEE060 3 2131.681 2132.791 2132.18 2132.71 Mm-hmm . 2132.71 ES2015b A FEE057 0 2132.336 2134.171 2132.36 2133.9 Right . Right . 2133.37 2133.9 ES2015b A FEE057 0 2136.64 2140.365 2136.84 2140.23 Alright . So we've decided on lighting up things . 2137.15 2140.23 ES2015b C FEE059 2 2139.344 2148.412 2139.36 2148.35 I was thinking though , if it was glow-in-the-dark , you could put the um Real Reaction symbol as glow-in-the-dark , and then it would be constantly advertised . 2140.09 2141.3 2145.55 2148.35 ES2015b B FEE058 1 2148.163 2154.736 2148.25 2154.7 Yeah . Every time the , that it lit up , you c that could light up as well . Or , or the , whate 2149.01 2150.33 2151.67 2153.56 2154.05 2154.4 ES2015b D FEE060 3 2148.507 2149.543 2148.73 2149.3 Mm . 2149.3 ES2015b A FEE057 0 2151.093 2152.165 2151.33 2151.77 Yeah . 2151.77 ES2015b C FEE059 2 2152.534 2154.161 2152.77 2154.04 Yeah . Yeah . 2153.71 2154.04 ES2015b A FEE057 0 2153.534 2166.208 2154.09 2166.208 Yeah . But with the same thing , I mean . If you touch the button and then it could be , it could be lit up as well . Is Are you okay with that ? Okay . Cool . Um 2154.66 2155.58 2156.29 2159.14 2161.27 2163.58 2163.99 2165.7 ES2015b D FEE060 3 2155.396 2156.199 2155.6 2155.96 That's true . 2155.96 ES2015b B FEE058 1 2156.872 2157.76 2157.1 2157.63 Yeah . 2157.63 ES2015b C FEE059 2 2157.473 2159.581 2157.67 2159.51 Yeah . Okay . 2158.75 2159.51 ES2015b C FEE059 2 2162.911 2164.501 2163.17 2164.501 Yeah . 2164.09 ES2015b A FEE057 0 2167.792 2169.424 2167.9 2169.35 Alright . So I think that um 2168.16 ES2015b B FEE058 1 2170.288 2171.155 2170.31 2171.155 Is - ES2015b A FEE057 0 2169.889 2184.501 2170.46 2184.501 that completes most of our um our more uh practical decisions . And now it's up to designing . And um making sure that this can be feasible . And do you have anything Do you have anything to say ? 2174.99 2177.16 2180.72 2184.38 ES2015b D FEE060 3 2179.963 2183.141 2180.33 2183.04 What um Oh sorry . 2183.04 ES2015b D FEE060 3 2183.744 2193.296 2183.86 2193.2 Yeah well , I was just gonna throw out there the thought about um personalising the remote control . Um , it , you , 'cause you mentioned face plates . So I I dunno if there's something that 2184.29 2188.76 2189.68 2189.89 2190.18 2191.74 ES2015b D FEE060 3 2194.592 2201.499 2194.61 2201.46 diff , you know like five different face plates . I dunno if this will start making it more complicated , but it could increase the popularity of the , of the remote . Um 2195.03 2196.38 2197.94 2199.81 2201.02 ES2015b B FEE058 1 2200.352 2208.016 2200.51 2207.5 Okay . Like you can have changeable um mobile covers or something . Yeah , or Okay . 2201.02 2205.35 2206.76 2207.5 ES2015b C FEE059 2 2200.635 2203.662 2200.81 2203.43 Oh yeah . Interchangeable thing ? 2202.02 2203.43 ES2015b D FEE060 3 2203.079 2204.189 2203.36 2204.189 Yeah , 2204.06 ES2015b A FEE057 0 2203.64 2207.043 2204.11 2206.86 Like an iPod or something ? Okay . 2205.91 2206.86 ES2015b C FEE059 2 2204.594 2206.999 2204.67 2206.61 That would be good . Yeah . 2206.01 2206.61 ES2015b D FEE060 3 2205.047 2214.928 2205.33 2214.928 Exactly , like an iPod . Exactly . Or , or like mobile ph . And I dunno if we'd want to go with like T_V_ show themes or something . Like a Bart Simpson faceplate . But 2205.78 2206.43 2207.08 2207.33 2209.04 2211.63 2214.42 ES2015b A FEE057 0 2207.724 2209.573 2208.01 2209.09 Like a cellphone ? Yeah . 2208.8 2209.09 ES2015b C FEE059 2 2212.463 2220.368 2212.79 2220.368 Yeah , and then that would be uh more profitable like as a sideline to the remote as well . Y Could buy extra 2213.99 2218.54 ES2015b B FEE058 1 2216.152 2219.186 2216.152 2219.09 Yeah . 2219.09 ES2015b A FEE057 0 2217.968 2220.861 2217.99 2220.7 Mm-hmm . Accessories . 2219.33 2220.7 ES2015b D FEE060 3 2218.688 2224.061 2218.72 2223.72 Mm-hmm . Exactly . You could start out with three , and if , if we hit it big then we can add some on . 2219.52 2220.02 2221.05 2221.53 2223.72 ES2015b B FEE058 1 2220.073 2221.923 2220.59 2221.923 Person - ES2015b C FEE059 2 2222.821 2223.82 2223.02 2223.75 Yeah . 2223.75 ES2015b B FEE058 1 2223.472 2225.437 2223.8 2225.32 Yeah . Well , that's great . 2224.21 2224.32 2225.32 ES2015b C FEE059 2 2224.227 2226.335 2224.25 2226.16 That's a good idea . Yeah . 2225.23 2226.16 ES2015b A FEE057 0 2224.992 2227.261 2225.01 2226.71 Yeah . I think that we should incorporate that . 2225.35 2226.71 ES2015b B FEE058 1 2226.473 2229.543 2226.84 2229.26 Interchangeable . Um , als 2228.44 2228.89 ES2015b A FEE057 0 2228.555 2232.662 2228.84 2231.97 'Cause that wouldn't be very expensive at all . You'd just get one mould , 2230.71 2231.97 ES2015b C FEE059 2 2230.626 2231.699 2230.82 2231.19 No . 2231.19 ES2015b B FEE058 1 2231.504 2233.982 2231.89 2233.74 Yeah . Interchan 2232.97 ES2015b D FEE060 3 2232.02 2233.018 2232.2 2232.54 Mm-hmm . 2232.54 ES2015b A FEE057 0 2233.031 2235.888 2233.35 2235.888 throw some plastic in it , you know . 2234.21 2235.71 ES2015b B FEE058 1 2234.816 2244.0 2235.82 2244.0 And also possible I mean , uh , we could gain out of that by advertising certain T_V_ shows , or 2237.96 2238.65 2243.73 ES2015b C FEE059 2 2243.554 2244.959 2243.9 2244.73 Oh yeah . 2244.73 ES2015b A FEE057 0 2244.048 2251.68 2244.07 2251.63 Yeah . Well , that might be com problematic with um copyright issues . So , if it takes off then we'll , we'll , we'll try that out . 2244.27 2244.36 2247.57 2248.59 2250.09 2251.0 2251.63 ES2015b D FEE060 3 2244.72 2245.78 2244.9 2245.64 Right . 2245.64 ES2015b B FEE058 1 2246.272 2256.156 2247.14 2255.98 Yeah . But if we , there is Yeah . We could Um , the environmental factor , we didn't bring that up again . 2247.85 2248.58 2250.77 2253.0 2253.99 2255.98 ES2015b C FEE059 2 2248.497 2249.458 2248.6 2249.0 If w - ES2015b D FEE060 3 2255.776 2257.026 2256.23 2256.91 Right . 2256.91 ES2015b A FEE057 0 2255.504 2269.792 2256.24 2269.76 Right . We'll have to do more research . Like as of yet , that has nothing to do with , um , the way it'll look . Um , does it need to be reached a de Do we need to reach a decision on that right now ? Because we need to investigate the financial implications . 2256.76 2258.67 2259.21 2260.12 2260.94 2262.87 2263.33 2267.21 2269.76 ES2015b B FEE058 1 2262.512 2263.59 2262.58 2263.48 Yeah . 2263.48 ES2015b B FEE058 1 2266.401 2267.955 2266.65 2267.955 Um , I've 2267.29 ES2015b B FEE058 1 2269.805 2273.8 2269.92 2273.8 Okay . Let's 2272.73 ES2015b A FEE057 0 2271.222 2272.072 2271.29 2271.66 Okay . 2271.66 ES2015b A FEE057 0 2272.442 2276.622 2272.87 2276.622 Is it Does it need to be uh decided on now ? Or should we 2275.43 ES2015b B FEE058 1 2275.538 2279.274 2275.64 2279.13 I think we could probably leave that 'til later on , then . 2278.06 2279.13 ES2015b A FEE057 0 2277.872 2278.512 2277.89 2278.32 Okay . 2278.32 ES2015b A FEE057 0 2279.174 2284.353 2279.58 2284.21 Good . Alright then . Anyone else have anything more to say before we close ? 2280.29 2280.94 2284.21 ES2015b C FEE059 2 2283.576 2284.501 2284.0 2284.47 No . 2284.47 ES2015b B FEE058 1 2284.39 2285.278 2284.58 2285.06 No . 2285.06 ES2015b A FEE057 0 2285.296 2286.462 2285.32 2286.36 Alright , well . 2285.67 2286.36 ES2015b A FEE057 0 2286.832 2290.938 2287.05 2290.24 Let's have lunch and we'll discuss this later . Alright ? 2289.84 2290.24 ES2015b C FEE059 2 2287.793 2290.272 2287.793 2289.99 Okay . 2289.99 ES2015b B FEE058 1 2288.94 2290.605 2289.46 2290.55 Okay . Thank you . 2289.97 2290.55 ES2015c A FEE057 0 38.631 55.425 39.13 54.85 Is everyone ready to start ? Okay . Great . Well , welcome to the third meeting of conceptual design . I'll just get the PowerPoint presentation up and running . 41.72 42.06 43.6 44.03 50.66 54.85 ES2015c B FEE058 1 40.137 44.132 40.48 44.132 Yeah . 44.01 ES2015c D FEE060 3 40.558 42.208 40.558 41.6 Yes . 41.6 ES2015c C FEE059 2 40.53 41.472 41.05 41.44 Yeah . 41.44 ES2015c A FEE057 0 59.376 96.416 59.4 95.41 Okay . Um , on the agenda for this , um , for this particular meeting , we'll have your three presentations on what you've done since our last meeting , after we came up with um some general ideas of our design . And , um , then we have to make some key decisions on , on our remote control concept , and how we're gonna make it , what uh materials we're gonna use , and that sort of thing . The meeting will be forty minutes long . And um we will once again have Poppy as our first presenter . Alright , and I will switch up PowerPoint . 60.54 60.79 62.07 62.86 63.78 67.53 72.32 72.91 73.57 76.46 79.03 79.75 81.54 82.8 85.86 92.14 92.71 95.41 ES2015c B FEE058 1 84.93 85.892 85.08 85.6 Okay . 85.6 ES2015c B FEE058 1 90.972 92.336 91.44 92.13 Okay . 92.13 ES2015c B FEE058 1 97.601 99.591 98.25 99.33 Thank you . 99.33 ES2015c A FEE057 0 100.344 102.009 100.77 101.89 Okay . 101.89 ES2015c B FEE058 1 108.747 111.965 109.02 111.965 Should be just loading . 111.73 ES2015c B FEE058 1 113.008 117.551 113.56 116.95 Okay . Oh , although I can't see it on my screen . 114.83 115.14 116.95 ES2015c B FEE058 1 118.384 119.918 118.45 119.81 That says go here . 119.81 ES2015c B FEE058 1 122.672 183.312 122.69 183.0 Okay . I've been doing some research into the different components that we could use , um what's available to us f to actually make the remote control . Um , first of all we have to look at how the remote control is actually made , and what is it happens inside the casing , which is more your field . Um , thes main internal feature is a circuit board , which contains all the elec electronics and also the contacts with the power source . Which is not necessarily a battery , as we're about to see . Um , there are several components of , um , the circuit board that we need to consider , where we'll be getting them from , what they'll be made of . Um , including the integrated circuit , which is also known as the chip . Which is where all the main information is uh contained . Um , diodes , transistors , resonators , resistors , and capacit capacitors all need to be considered as well . Um , and all their positioning in the circuit . 123.94 127.86 134.61 135.12 138.79 140.98 143.27 143.83 146.77 151.44 153.55 155.42 156.19 159.19 160.16 162.01 163.61 164.73 166.06 167.93 169.41 173.75 174.22 174.8 175.5 176.21 176.86 180.7 181.18 183.0 ES2015c A FEE057 0 181.069 181.717 181.2 181.717 Um - ES2015c A FEE057 0 182.866 188.526 183.29 188.19 Are they all included , like mandatorily , or r are these different options ? 185.57 186.48 188.19 ES2015c B FEE058 1 187.6 216.624 188.05 216.56 Uh , these , they're all different options , they're all separate , apart from the chip , which we will probable decide whether we buy a simple , a regular , advanced . We can go into that later . Um , all the other things are individual components that we'd have to get in separately , and work out the most , like , effective um circuit , including all the wires and everything like that . And the L_E_D_ of course , that's a light emitting diode . So , we could , so we've got flex flexibility with colours and things , with that as well . 188.39 188.75 190.2 191.14 192.73 195.09 195.66 196.1 197.73 197.99 201.8 202.95 203.12 205.87 208.05 209.33 210.79 210.94 211.79 215.1 216.56 ES2015c A FEE057 0 192.455 193.75 192.51 193.47 Yeah . 193.47 ES2015c A FEE057 0 214.688 215.612 214.95 215.23 Mm . 215.23 ES2015c B FEE058 1 217.632 245.154 217.65 245.08 Okay , there are lots of different possibilities for the energy source . We could use a basic battery , but that brings with it , like they need to be recharged and the bulk , the size of it as well . And they're not so great to dispose of , environmentally . There's a hand-powered dynamo which is a sort of thing that was used for torches fifty years ago . A bit out of date . Kinetic energy is something that's been recently developed . 218.0 221.46 223.43 224.5 227.21 228.4 231.53 233.68 240.37 241.5 245.08 ES2015c A FEE057 0 242.429 243.017 242.63 243.017 Um - ES2015c A FEE057 0 244.015 246.123 244.23 245.8 What is a hand-powered dynamo ? 245.8 ES2015c B FEE058 1 245.744 256.814 245.76 256.814 Um , where you manually charge up the power . Like you wind up something . Sorry ? Yeah . Every once in a while I think . But it's 246.75 250.56 252.85 253.89 254.34 255.73 ES2015c A FEE057 0 250.561 252.596 250.93 252.33 Just every , every once in a while ? 251.52 252.33 ES2015c A FEE057 0 253.04 255.296 253.26 254.9 Just every once in a while or constantly ? 254.9 ES2015c A FEE057 0 255.683 260.159 255.83 259.85 Alright . It'd be kind of strange to always be cranking it I think . 256.15 259.85 ES2015c C FEE059 2 258.123 260.564 258.123 260.33 Yeah . 260.33 ES2015c B FEE058 1 257.664 296.277 258.28 296.2 Yeah . It would be like going a step back in time . I don't think it would really be with kind of cutting edge technology . Whereas kinetic energy is a new idea that's being used by some watches and other devices , where you just shake the device and it gives it power . I mean , the kinetic energy is transformed into power to make the circuit work . Um , or there's solar power , which we've been considering inside a building , which is where it's gonna be used , might not be quite so useful . But , good to look into , renewable energy , always the way . 258.62 260.2 264.25 270.66 275.32 275.98 281.98 282.5 283.88 287.14 288.93 292.2 293.67 294.42 295.4 296.2 ES2015c A FEE057 0 263.504 265.671 263.52 265.671 No . 265.45 ES2015c A FEE057 0 289.954 291.064 290.19 290.91 Right . 290.91 ES2015c B FEE058 1 296.277 330.417 296.74 330.1 Um , lots of considerations for the case , like what sort of shape it would be , curved or flat . That's got a lot to do with the ergonomics . Like how it's comfortable and s sits in the hand . We don't want something that's huge and you can't pick up . Or too small . Or too slidy . I know I've had a remote control before which you couldn't tell which was the front and the back , 'cause it had so many buttons on , and the shape was so symmetrical that I'd be pressing like a volume button instead of the on button . Because you can't really see which way round it is . 297.12 299.05 301.77 302.63 304.81 307.75 311.27 312.34 313.95 319.7 321.54 327.69 330.1 ES2015c D FEE060 3 325.032 325.654 325.17 325.61 Mm . 325.61 ES2015c A FEE057 0 330.018 331.387 330.28 331.07 Right . 331.07 ES2015c B FEE058 1 330.417 368.358 330.6 368.14 Um , we also can choose what materials um , the we could use metal , we could use rubber which might be more um ideal for the anti-R_S_I_ . It's like the same sort of rubber that's used in stress balls and things like that , so it's very like soft , not so stressful on your hands . Wood . Um , again , stepping back in time again there . I don't think that's quite up to date with what we're looking for here . Um , titanium is not gonna be possible , even though it just it beyond our budget really . But , would've been maybe for future projects . 331.08 335.09 336.46 342.98 347.81 349.41 351.97 353.29 354.2 354.6 355.96 359.69 360.33 362.61 365.4 366.22 368.14 ES2015c A FEE057 0 346.533 347.827 346.74 347.69 Mm-hmm . 347.69 ES2015c A FEE057 0 358.999 360.108 359.32 360.05 Yeah . 360.05 ES2015c B FEE058 1 368.358 400.208 369.15 399.88 Um right our choice for buttons as well . We've developed some we've got some good advances in technology , with our research team have found some uh new multiple um option scroll buttons . I think that was brought up for , um , they're basically quite a flexible design , modern , you don't have to use individual buttons . You can just slide up and down . I'm sure we're all quite familiar with those on mobiles or computer laptop pads . 372.15 375.28 383.2 385.85 387.58 390.76 391.25 393.11 394.9 399.88 ES2015c C FEE059 2 397.081 397.81 397.27 397.59 Yeah . 397.59 ES2015c A FEE057 0 397.091 397.991 397.34 397.52 Mm-hmm . 397.52 ES2015c A FEE057 0 399.649 406.418 400.16 406.16 Um one thing with the scroll buttons though . It , it we would have to have an L_C_D_ um 401.93 402.15 ES2015c B FEE058 1 406.0 442.188 406.02 442.06 Yeah . That's true . And that would lead to an advanced yeah . If we have yeah . We're going on to that later with the advanc with the L_C_D_ that means we'd need a really advanced chip . And it's unlikely that that's gonna be in our budget . Um , also we've got the integrated pushbutton , which is what we're most familiar with . It's the most straightforward . But you can in like incorporate that with a scroll button as well . . Got decisions to make there . And this is what I was just saying before . Linked in the different depends on what type of buttons we have and the inputs . Um simple would go with the pushbutton . 406.63 407.72 411.04 412.66 417.87 421.26 421.92 424.72 425.89 427.28 431.71 431.71 433.91 435.38 439.56 442.06 ES2015c A FEE057 0 406.899 410.709 407.09 410.53 display , and the glow in the dark thing 407.64 ES2015c A FEE057 0 411.079 412.152 411.1 412.05 might be difficult . 412.05 ES2015c A FEE057 0 417.478 418.329 417.7 418.23 Yeah . 418.23 ES2015c D FEE060 3 418.539 419.317 418.83 419.24 Mm-hmm . 419.24 ES2015c B FEE058 1 442.188 480.729 442.52 480.69 Um , regular you could link with the scroll button . And the advanced we'd have to go with a L_C_D_ s display . My personal preferences ? I think we could go for the kinetic energy source . I don't , I think that's quite um an advanced kind of technology . It's not been seen before , so it could be quite a , a novelty factor , attractive as well . And also energy saving 'cause you're producing the energy , you don't need an external sort of battery supply or solar panels . You just give it a shake . Sounds brilliant to me . 443.44 446.94 453.71 455.22 457.43 457.73 461.5 462.59 464.1 465.56 466.63 472.64 477.13 479.84 480.69 ES2015c A FEE057 0 450.773 451.698 451.13 451.65 Right . 451.65 ES2015c A FEE057 0 478.755 479.606 479.07 479.37 Yeah . 479.37 ES2015c B FEE058 1 480.729 507.377 481.14 507.14 Rubber casing I thing would probably the best , if we're going for the anti-R_S_I_ and like more choice with um aesthetics . Like it could be pretty much any colour we want . Um , and gives you , yeah , more flexibility there . And probably the regular chip as opposed to the simple , then we could possibly have the scroll and the push , but no L_C_D_ , 'cause we probably can't afford that one . 483.78 490.34 492.74 493.76 494.82 495.13 496.67 500.32 504.04 505.64 507.14 ES2015c A FEE057 0 480.827 481.677 481.35 481.53 Uh . 481.53 ES2015c A FEE057 0 507.024 520.88 507.16 520.83 Yeah . Um , one concern with the rubber casing is that it would be rubber encapsulating all of these chips and diodes and delicate technology as 508.09 508.28 ES2015c B FEE058 1 509.466 510.544 509.8 510.51 Mm-hmm . 510.51 ES2015c A FEE057 0 521.506 525.242 521.96 524.9 like as the exterior . This is the one thing that's protecting its innards . 522.92 524.9 ES2015c B FEE058 1 524.869 534.288 524.95 534.2 I think that would , uh there would be an in sort of more internal casing . And the rubber would just be the , what's in contact with the human . Yeah . 526.2 529.39 530.78 533.91 534.2 ES2015c A FEE057 0 532.64 552.512 533.54 552.45 Yeah . Another thing is it might be more difficult if it's a rubber exterior talking about putting on interchangeable plates . Um , is it I don't see how a like a rubber plate going on top it would stay there . Like if it was sort of like a clip-on plastic plate . It would work that way . 534.2 541.42 541.97 547.65 550.99 552.45 ES2015c B FEE058 1 541.048 542.121 541.1 541.84 Yeah . 541.84 ES2015c D FEE060 3 541.015 541.781 541.19 541.64 Mm-hmm . 541.64 ES2015c B FEE058 1 552.523 563.68 553.06 563.58 Maybe if the , um , if it was just kind of a , more of a rubber coating which was on to a case . So , it was kind of , the whole thing would be removable . 554.82 555.7 556.7 559.81 560.02 561.81 563.58 ES2015c C FEE059 2 553.006 553.528 553.16 553.39 W - ES2015c C FEE059 2 564.256 567.793 564.29 567.54 Like plastic with rubber , kind of on top 565.92 ES2015c B FEE058 1 565.481 569.55 565.94 569.42 Yeah . Like I can't think of what . 566.59 569.42 ES2015c A FEE057 0 567.04 567.936 567.06 567.81 Yeah . 567.81 ES2015c C FEE059 2 568.385 577.115 569.11 576.9 Well , there's , there is a certain phone that has like a rubber casing , b like a Nokia it is . It's yeah . 569.27 569.62 572.72 574.69 576.9 ES2015c B FEE058 1 572.202 590.698 572.41 590.63 Yeah . Or like an you can get sort of outer casing for iPods and something , that's just it's protective as well . It , it stops it , I mean , it would reduce the impact if it was dropped or something , as well , 'cause it wouldn't damage itself so easily . I think i maybe a mixture of both there , maybe . Yeah . 573.19 577.13 579.23 579.42 580.18 580.88 583.4 583.75 587.44 589.52 590.04 590.63 ES2015c A FEE057 0 572.386 573.643 572.7 573.61 Yeah . 573.61 ES2015c D FEE060 3 572.923 573.625 573.19 573.48 Mm-hmm . 573.48 ES2015c A FEE057 0 577.476 578.66 577.78 578.48 Yeah . 578.48 ES2015c D FEE060 3 577.565 579.785 577.84 579.59 Like the skin ? Yeah . 578.82 579.59 ES2015c A FEE057 0 583.344 584.283 583.4 584.06 Yeah . 584.06 ES2015c A FEE057 0 587.024 588.574 587.04 588.574 Alright . So maybe the 587.64 ES2015c D FEE060 3 587.809 588.613 588.06 588.34 Okay . 588.34 ES2015c A FEE057 0 589.277 590.09 589.48 590.0 Yeah . 590.0 ES2015c D FEE060 3 589.763 595.682 590.06 595.19 So the actual remote would be hard plastic and the casings rubber . Okay . And the buttons obviously are rubber . 593.39 593.87 595.19 ES2015c B FEE058 1 592.032 593.808 592.05 593.57 And then yeah . Yeah . 593.21 593.57 ES2015c C FEE059 2 592.469 593.468 592.84 593.33 Yeah . 593.33 ES2015c A FEE057 0 593.827 594.936 594.09 594.83 Yeah . 594.83 ES2015c B FEE058 1 595.413 596.819 595.87 596.5 Yeah . 596.5 ES2015c C FEE059 2 595.869 597.422 596.26 597.17 Yeah . 597.17 ES2015c D FEE060 3 596.185 597.01 596.41 596.64 Okay . 596.64 ES2015c A FEE057 0 596.49 597.785 596.96 597.54 Yeah . 597.54 ES2015c A FEE057 0 599.44 605.584 599.68 605.49 That sounds good . I , um , is it possible to put designs onto this type of rubber ? 600.24 600.54 601.31 605.49 ES2015c B FEE058 1 606.196 609.304 606.64 609.23 As far as I know . It should be . 607.84 609.23 ES2015c A FEE057 0 608.688 625.92 608.71 625.89 Okay , we'll just say yeah . Yes , just why not . Alright . I like the kinetic energy source idea . Um , I don't know when people will , um , be moving a remote around a lot . But I think that it's worth it , kinetety , kinetic um 609.92 611.42 611.73 614.24 614.49 616.99 618.07 620.24 621.06 622.59 624.43 625.08 ES2015c B FEE058 1 610.635 613.484 610.96 613.484 Yeah . Yeah , yeah . 612.0 612.36 613.11 ES2015c B FEE058 1 616.11 618.404 616.28 618.404 Yeah . I thought that was 616.9 ES2015c C FEE059 2 621.977 623.309 622.3 622.91 Yeah , tha 622.61 ES2015c D FEE060 3 622.961 623.543 623.07 623.42 Mm-hmm . 623.42 ES2015c A FEE057 0 626.944 631.072 626.96 631.072 energy source . It could make an we could have any kind of style . It wouldn't be as heavy or bulky , and 627.57 629.52 630.79 ES2015c B FEE058 1 627.367 628.403 627.69 628.13 Yeah . 628.13 ES2015c B FEE058 1 631.072 632.016 631.09 631.97 Yeah . 631.97 ES2015c A FEE057 0 632.351 635.755 632.69 635.15 Yeah . Just for environmental reasons . 632.93 635.15 ES2015c B FEE058 1 634.95 636.06 635.25 635.89 Yeah . 635.89 ES2015c D FEE060 3 636.422 639.048 636.64 638.62 I guess it's a bit scary 'cause it hasn't been done before . 638.62 ES2015c B FEE058 1 638.723 639.796 639.03 639.6 Yeah . 639.6 ES2015c D FEE060 3 639.619 645.205 639.96 644.8 So it seems we'd have to do more research on it . Or I dunno if you could have a battery pack . 642.39 644.8 ES2015c B FEE058 1 642.56 647.898 642.58 647.73 Yeah . Like as a backup for something . 645.02 647.73 ES2015c C FEE059 2 644.706 647.962 645.45 647.78 Backup . Yeah . 646.54 647.78 ES2015c D FEE060 3 646.48 652.896 646.5 652.896 Yeah so there's there is a one battery , because most remotes use two batteries I believe . So , if it was running off of one battery as a 648.08 650.93 651.14 ES2015c B FEE058 1 650.066 650.953 650.22 650.91 Yeah . 650.91 ES2015c A FEE057 0 650.752 651.698 650.8 651.45 Yeah . 651.45 ES2015c C FEE059 2 651.99 653.877 652.5 653.68 That would be good yeah . 653.68 ES2015c B FEE058 1 653.328 659.202 653.35 658.68 Yeah . Some alternative just in case something went wrong . 654.66 658.68 ES2015c D FEE060 3 655.97 657.856 656.5 657.7 Right . 657.7 ES2015c C FEE059 2 660.016 671.892 660.04 671.892 Maybe we could you were saying about um solar power ma maybe not working indoors , but a lot of calculators , yeah , have solar power . So maybe that could be incorporated as 665.29 667.0 667.42 669.21 ES2015c B FEE058 1 666.046 676.32 666.39 675.93 That's true . I just thought of that . Yeah . Yeah . May maybe that could be the backup . Instead of a battery . Like solar backup . 667.02 668.9 670.05 670.52 673.19 674.54 675.93 ES2015c C FEE059 2 672.409 673.593 672.73 673.5 Yeah . 673.5 ES2015c A FEE057 0 672.853 673.92 673.21 673.87 Yeah . 673.87 ES2015c D FEE060 3 674.112 677.029 674.47 676.95 Although it needs some light , doesn't it ? 676.06 676.95 ES2015c B FEE058 1 677.268 679.376 677.37 679.376 Yeah . I suppose s but some 677.72 ES2015c C FEE059 2 677.388 681.161 677.66 681.09 Do , do those calculators yeah . 678.04 681.09 ES2015c A FEE057 0 677.454 680.661 677.9 680.46 Yeah , you can watch a T_V_ in the dark then . 678.15 680.46 ES2015c D FEE060 3 677.515 681.552 677.98 681.552 So , if we're doing yeah . If we're 679.28 680.99 ES2015c B FEE058 1 681.371 695.653 682.03 695.37 But thing is , it's not you don't need the solar all the time . It can be stored . It can be like you can have the solar energy and then it can store that energy and use it . It just needs to be in light for a certain amount of time per day . Like a few hours a day . . 682.48 684.4 685.28 689.41 693.08 695.37 695.37 ES2015c C FEE059 2 681.827 683.972 682.16 683.56 I don't know how it works . 683.56 ES2015c C FEE059 2 685.6 686.672 685.83 686.39 Yeah . 686.39 ES2015c D FEE060 3 686.326 687.012 686.45 686.97 Yeah . 686.97 ES2015c C FEE059 2 691.333 692.554 691.52 692.37 Yeah . 692.37 ES2015c A FEE057 0 693.143 694.041 693.31 693.85 Yeah . 693.85 ES2015c A FEE057 0 694.72 697.641 694.95 697.44 I think that might be a little impractical though . 697.44 ES2015c D FEE060 3 696.632 701.946 696.9 701.58 Yeah . I think sometimes it's just shoved under , under a cushion , and yeah . 697.29 699.08 699.85 701.58 ES2015c A FEE057 0 700.082 700.933 700.25 700.66 Yeah . 700.66 ES2015c B FEE058 1 699.856 702.144 700.48 702.144 That's true . It could easily 701.16 ES2015c C FEE059 2 700.951 701.95 701.19 701.77 Yeah . 701.77 ES2015c A FEE057 0 702.042 704.114 702.32 703.99 Like people don't wanna have to worry about that . 703.99 ES2015c B FEE058 1 703.52 726.089 703.54 725.81 Yeah . I suppose it would be really annoying if you get to think , oh no , I forgot to charge my remote today . Like if the kinetic thing , I think what's best about that is that it's instant energy . You don't have to , you know , you can shake it a few times , or whatever . And it works . Yeah . Instead of you don't have to like make sure it's in the right place to charge and . 704.86 708.46 708.98 711.27 712.46 715.08 716.32 716.63 717.85 718.32 720.49 721.53 725.81 ES2015c D FEE060 3 703.747 704.514 703.99 704.21 Yeah . 704.21 ES2015c A FEE057 0 704.642 705.33 704.86 705.27 Yeah . 705.27 ES2015c A FEE057 0 710.862 712.304 711.34 712.07 Yeah . 712.07 ES2015c C FEE059 2 712.524 713.878 712.524 713.54 Yeah . 713.54 ES2015c A FEE057 0 713.189 714.06 713.48 714.03 Yeah . 714.03 ES2015c A FEE057 0 717.706 722.404 718.05 722.15 Yeah . Or just like pick it up when you're gonna use it . 719.06 722.15 ES2015c C FEE059 2 720.721 722.867 721.06 722.55 Yeah , I suppose . 721.42 722.55 ES2015c A FEE057 0 724.328 725.179 724.6 724.92 Yeah . 724.92 ES2015c C FEE059 2 724.864 725.937 725.14 725.68 Yeah . 725.68 ES2015c A FEE057 0 725.992 727.213 726.37 727.02 Alright . Cool . 726.59 727.02 ES2015c B FEE058 1 726.825 728.547 726.99 728.4 K okay . 728.4 ES2015c A FEE057 0 728.36 731.615 728.64 731.47 'S that the end of your presentation . Alright . Thank you . 730.25 731.01 731.47 ES2015c B FEE058 1 729.044 730.06 729.3 730.02 Yeah . 730.02 ES2015c C FEE059 2 729.71 730.598 729.93 730.31 Yeah . 730.31 ES2015c B FEE058 1 736.755 738.272 736.88 737.38 There we go . 737.38 ES2015c C FEE059 2 737.242 738.721 737.6 738.64 Thanks . 738.64 ES2015c C FEE059 2 749.314 749.968 749.63 749.91 Oh . 749.91 ES2015c C FEE059 2 764.08 767.336 764.48 767.336 It's not on my screen . Why ? 765.59 767.01 ES2015c B FEE058 1 765.552 771.303 765.552 771.06 it wasn't on mine either . I don't know why . I think , I just , I just used the mouse on there . 767.93 768.68 768.98 769.38 771.06 ES2015c C FEE059 2 768.704 771.856 768.97 771.81 You don't know why ? Oh okay . 771.01 771.81 ES2015c C FEE059 2 773.354 774.484 773.58 774.38 Is it that one ? 774.38 ES2015c A FEE057 0 774.496 776.251 774.52 776.251 Yeah . That's um 774.8 ES2015c B FEE058 1 774.615 775.688 774.83 775.53 Yeah . 775.53 ES2015c C FEE059 2 776.165 797.792 776.55 797.76 Um , I'm just gonna go through the interface concept with yous now . Uh , first of all I'll explain what a user interface is . It's the aspects of a computer system which can be seen or otherwise perceived , for example , heard or felt maybe , or by the human user . 777.87 781.9 782.97 785.69 791.41 792.33 795.31 797.76 ES2015c C FEE059 2 799.2 806.015 799.22 805.86 And it's also the commands that the user uses to control its operation and to input data . 805.86 ES2015c C FEE059 2 810.592 826.576 810.61 826.47 Um , there are two types of user interfaces . There's the graphical user interface , which emphasises the use of pictures for output and a pointing device , for example a mouse for input control . So that's sort of like the scroll thing we were talking about . 811.35 813.45 816.33 820.57 823.75 826.47 ES2015c A FEE057 0 826.48 828.588 826.78 828.02 Oh . Okay . Yeah . 826.9 827.7 828.02 ES2015c C FEE059 2 827.6 828.736 827.62 828.68 Yeah . 828.68 ES2015c C FEE059 2 829.853 836.016 830.31 835.98 I'm not really sure about the pictures that maybe that's on an L_C_D_ screen . Or maybe it's 835.03 ES2015c B FEE058 1 834.401 835.585 834.69 835.34 Mm . 835.34 ES2015c C FEE059 2 837.166 842.393 837.19 842.393 the the buttons or pictures or something . 842.03 ES2015c A FEE057 0 841.5 842.464 841.8 842.27 Hmm . 842.27 ES2015c B FEE058 1 844.72 850.076 844.81 850.076 Yeah . So I suppose sometime after you . 846.17 849.96 ES2015c A FEE057 0 845.552 860.994 845.7 860.91 Yeah . Yeah , 'cause I'm sorry ? Um , because command interface requires you to type textual commands and input at a keyboard , so the numbers are sort of like a keyboard . You're pressing the numbers for , um , for what you want . 846.61 846.76 849.29 849.74 854.57 856.67 858.75 860.05 860.91 ES2015c C FEE059 2 845.611 847.239 845.84 847.239 Do you think it's - ES2015c C FEE059 2 856.218 858.29 856.53 858.05 Yeah . Yeah . 857.43 858.05 ES2015c B FEE058 1 857.262 858.853 857.95 858.66 Mm . 858.66 ES2015c C FEE059 2 859.664 868.5 859.68 868.02 So you must , for the graphical user you must need some kind of presentation for the graphics . Like an L_C_D_ screen . 860.73 866.28 868.02 ES2015c B FEE058 1 866.045 896.457 866.57 896.27 I s I suppose where um mm on some buttons you would have like the power would be s some kind of symbol . And if you wanted to go onto teletext or , I know we're not having that , but I mean a similar thing , you , they have there's a like little picture with a screen with lines across it , which I suppose it's that sort of thing like the , the symbol on the button . But if we're having a simplified display anyway , w that , we probably won't have to focus so much on that . It'll be more the on the numbers and the volume . 874.61 876.83 877.73 879.38 879.56 883.08 885.73 887.06 890.54 891.67 894.08 896.27 ES2015c C FEE059 2 874.159 875.454 874.45 875.19 Yeah . 875.19 ES2015c C FEE059 2 877.674 878.56 877.96 878.4 Yeah . 878.4 ES2015c C FEE059 2 883.35 884.275 883.57 884.19 Yeah . 884.19 ES2015c C FEE059 2 885.199 886.346 885.46 885.93 Yeah . 885.93 ES2015c A FEE057 0 892.08 893.402 892.1 893.402 Yeah , we'll be doing 892.3 ES2015c C FEE059 2 895.002 896.001 895.13 895.84 Yeah . 895.84 ES2015c A FEE057 0 895.627 898.772 895.65 898.772 Yeah . It'd be more a command interface , and then 896.29 897.86 ES2015c C FEE059 2 897.369 898.627 897.54 898.56 Yeah . 898.56 ES2015c B FEE058 1 897.656 902.639 897.92 902.37 I suppose we need to think of symbols for like the volume , display , and stuff like that . 900.37 900.91 902.37 ES2015c A FEE057 0 901.168 902.08 901.24 901.92 Yeah . 901.92 ES2015c D FEE060 3 902.016 904.914 902.04 904.85 So it's just draf graphical for the pointing aspect ? 904.85 ES2015c D FEE060 3 905.728 908.095 905.98 908.095 The infrared is like , that's considered a 906.9 ES2015c B FEE058 1 906.005 907.12 906.19 907.12 I - ES2015c A FEE057 0 907.65 908.611 907.99 908.34 Hmm ? 908.34 ES2015c C FEE059 2 908.39 916.713 908.69 916.54 No I think it's to do with the actual symbols that are on the , that's on the buttons of the remote control , and per 912.9 915.15 ES2015c D FEE060 3 915.616 918.532 915.64 918.532 Okay . So when it says pointing device that doesn't include 915.93 ES2015c B FEE058 1 916.104 917.84 916.46 917.09 For inp - ES2015c C FEE059 2 917.674 921.669 917.88 921.63 Well it could be a wee scroller thing , and something could come up on the screen . 919.65 921.63 ES2015c A FEE057 0 920.65 923.721 921.02 923.56 Yeah . I think they're talking about L_C_D_ type things . 921.45 923.56 ES2015c B FEE058 1 922.825 923.984 923.21 923.95 Mm . 923.95 ES2015c D FEE060 3 923.127 923.837 923.21 923.55 Okay . 923.55 ES2015c C FEE059 2 923.741 924.555 923.88 924.44 Yeah . 924.44 ES2015c D FEE060 3 924.414 925.524 924.83 925.19 Okay . 925.19 ES2015c A FEE057 0 925.153 925.904 925.33 925.87 Yeah . 925.87 ES2015c C FEE059 2 926.458 927.716 926.78 927.51 But um - ES2015c C FEE059 2 929.454 945.225 929.71 945.225 I think we're gonna go with the command interface anyway , to make it more simplistic . But the , we could incorporate some of the graphical user um points , as in just to make it m um nicer to look at maybe . 932.54 934.08 935.37 940.99 945.09 ES2015c A FEE057 0 932.503 933.893 932.87 933.72 Yeah . 933.72 ES2015c D FEE060 3 933.384 934.309 933.76 933.96 Mm-hmm . 933.96 ES2015c A FEE057 0 944.547 945.509 944.84 945.32 What do you mean ? 945.32 ES2015c C FEE059 2 945.878 950.169 946.2 950.169 Like I can't think of an example , but 949.48 ES2015c C FEE059 2 950.531 953.269 950.72 953.269 Sort of like little pictures rather than - ES2015c A FEE057 0 953.386 955.532 953.68 955.532 Oh yeah , like how the buttons 954.05 ES2015c C FEE059 2 953.639 960.781 954.16 960.36 Like a little sound . Instead of saying volume , like a little speaker or something . Yeah , something y 955.71 956.78 958.68 959.12 ES2015c A FEE057 0 958.4 966.777 958.61 966.7 Yeah , as a button though . So , it's a keyboard in the shape of it , right ? Okay . Yeah . I like that idea . 959.08 960.2 960.37 962.21 963.56 964.71 964.93 966.7 ES2015c D FEE060 3 958.734 959.44 958.87 959.29 Mm . 959.29 ES2015c C FEE059 2 962.096 965.18 962.12 965.12 Yeah m perha yeah . Yeah . Maybe . 964.19 964.5 965.12 ES2015c C FEE059 2 966.29 979.168 966.62 979.13 Um , the co uh we've decided that the command interface would be the most useful for a remote control . As it would be less complicated , and the controls would be more user-friendly . 968.08 973.6 976.15 979.13 ES2015c C FEE059 2 980.256 993.376 980.33 993.34 Um , the remote control would be cheaper to design , so that we'd have more money in the budget to , um , target the design area of the interface . You know , make it more trendy and original . We'll have more money if we keep it simple . 980.69 982.74 986.76 987.69 989.73 989.9 991.33 993.34 ES2015c A FEE057 0 993.001 997.255 993.48 997.11 Yeah . I'm sure i like kinetic energy would probably dip into the budget . 993.84 997.11 ES2015c C FEE059 2 997.333 998.664 997.6 998.37 Yeah . 998.37 ES2015c B FEE058 1 997.424 999.557 997.82 999.557 Yeah . 998.47 ES2015c A FEE057 0 997.736 999.696 998.07 999.53 A bit more too , yeah . 999.15 999.53 ES2015c C FEE059 2 999.034 1003.664 999.14 1003.664 Seeing as it's quite a new technology . Um 1002.82 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1005.792 1023.951 1005.81 1023.44 We , we also have to keep in mind when we're designing our , um , more user-friendly remote control , that a lot of interfaces consist of a clutter of buttons , that , um , that their functions , colours and forms aren't always helpful . 1006.93 1010.12 1010.78 1013.41 1017.35 1018.98 1019.81 1020.73 1023.44 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1024.031 1034.624 1024.09 1034.624 Yeah . That's true . That's in like the buttons with all the different like colours for different choices and things . It can be a bit , yeah , overwhelming . 1024.44 1025.35 1030.25 1031.57 1032.2 1034.57 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1024.987 1026.208 1025.11 1026.16 Yeah . 1026.16 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1029.581 1030.913 1029.88 1030.68 Yeah . 1030.68 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1033.472 1046.006 1033.49 1045.79 And that all interfaces are different . So , um , that doesn't improve the use of the produ product , so we need to come up with something that's easy to understand . 1037.35 1038.96 1039.35 1041.5 1045.79 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1047.67 1054.033 1047.87 1053.71 And maybe learn from the mistakes of other interfaces that can be too complicated for people to use . 1053.71 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1055.211 1056.394 1055.54 1055.94 Mm-hmm . 1055.94 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1057.626 1058.81 1057.91 1058.76 Yep . 1058.76 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1058.48 1060.704 1058.5 1060.25 Does anyone have any questions ? 1060.25 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1062.221 1068.917 1062.51 1068.41 Do you think that we should keep all the buttons to one same colour , just to keep it , give it a simplistic look . 1066.36 1067.15 1068.41 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1068.903 1070.1 1069.18 1069.72 Mm . 1069.72 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1070.416 1083.507 1070.55 1083.35 I think if we go with the um design plate thing , we'll have to . Just because of colour clashing , and if we wanted to , so and , and we might , I mean , depending on what comes out of the design , we might have to stick to just black buttons . 1073.49 1074.79 1076.56 1078.24 1078.72 1079.56 1079.83 1081.72 1083.35 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1076.5 1078.757 1076.77 1078.58 Yeah . Yeah . 1077.6 1078.58 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1083.617 1085.765 1084.14 1085.765 But um - ES2015c A FEE057 0 1084.683 1087.014 1085.15 1086.73 But what about the lighting up effect ? 1086.73 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1087.502 1089.759 1087.79 1089.759 You mean different colours for the lighting or - ES2015c A FEE057 0 1089.888 1101.456 1089.91 1101.22 Um , well , um , I thought we had um decided that we would if you touched one of the buttons they'd all light up . And so if they were black , it wouldn't be possible for them to light up . 1090.5 1090.98 1092.46 1097.44 1099.51 1101.22 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1097.165 1098.201 1097.58 1098.02 Mm-hmm . 1098.02 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1102.496 1103.713 1102.52 1103.48 Oh I see what you're saying . 1103.48 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1104.305 1105.156 1104.51 1104.89 Well y - ES2015c A FEE057 0 1104.474 1107.988 1104.75 1107.75 If they were white they would glow , probably . If they were made out of rubber . 1106.13 1106.63 1107.75 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1106.894 1114.58 1107.42 1114.36 Oh so you're picturing the light is coming from the back . I kinda pictured it as kind of coming from the sides and lighting it up frontwards . 1109.45 1114.36 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1114.65 1115.504 1114.84 1115.27 Oh . 1115.27 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1114.932 1117.472 1115.01 1117.44 But , but I guess , you mean from the back . Okay . 1115.75 1116.32 1117.08 1117.44 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1115.144 1117.548 1115.41 1117.38 Oh . Where would the light come from ? 1115.72 1117.38 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1118.992 1129.766 1119.01 1129.38 I'd assume , like , an internal light , that comes through . So there would have to , have to be some parts maybe transparent around the buttons , or something . 1119.87 1120.03 1122.8 1124.04 1124.85 1128.63 1129.38 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1121.136 1122.246 1121.66 1122.02 Okay . 1122.02 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1121.95 1122.949 1122.16 1122.81 Yeah . 1122.81 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1122.131 1122.982 1122.31 1122.85 Yeah . 1122.85 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1127.436 1128.694 1127.79 1128.55 Right . 1128.55 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1127.795 1134.86 1128.08 1134.35 Yeah , and well rubber is a more translucent product too , so we have that taken care of . 1129.39 1132.03 1134.35 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1130.641 1131.727 1130.79 1131.66 Yeah , yeah . 1131.17 1131.66 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1131.912 1132.784 1132.38 1132.74 Mm-hmm . 1132.74 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1132.453 1134.755 1132.75 1134.5 It should be able to mm-hmm . 1134.5 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1135.056 1157.987 1135.08 1157.51 In the phone that I was thinking of as well , when you change the um covers of it , the , the little buttons that actually , you know , that contro control stuff , are behind the rubber . So you can change the buttons when you're changing the faces . Do you know what I mean ? 'Cause it's just the wee control , yeah , thing that's behind it . 1137.6 1141.41 1141.74 1144.32 1144.72 1146.92 1148.78 1152.21 1153.23 1154.82 1156.35 1157.51 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1145.023 1147.024 1145.19 1146.98 Li yeah . 1146.98 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1152.128 1155.084 1152.128 1154.82 Oh . Yeah . They , they insert over . 1152.99 1153.24 1153.72 1154.82 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1152.781 1154.704 1153.23 1154.46 Oh . 1154.46 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1155.861 1156.786 1156.02 1156.58 Okay . 1156.58 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1158.572 1159.673 1158.62 1159.673 So - ES2015c A FEE057 0 1158.477 1160.068 1158.9 1159.86 Mm . 1159.86 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1160.043 1167.071 1160.13 1166.25 I mean , we don't have to decide on one colour . Each face could have its own colour of buttons maybe ? 1160.55 1162.73 1166.25 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1165.957 1167.648 1166.35 1167.6 Mm-hmm . 1167.6 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1167.968 1174.896 1168.57 1174.86 Well , if they're raised up buttons . So that you can feel them . We were talking about it being more 1168.7 1171.5 1173.29 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1170.77 1171.917 1171.03 1171.55 Yeah . 1171.55 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1176.957 1193.424 1177.13 1193.424 um , a lot more tangible . Um , it might be more difficult to do . If they're , if they're sticking up . If it's flat then , like o like on a cellphone or a mobile phone , it's like all very flat , and you just have to sort of press down on these tiny little buttons , but 1177.93 1179.89 1180.6 1182.79 1183.22 1184.61 1186.98 1189.45 1190.5 1193.15 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1177.901 1178.491 1178.0 1178.32 T - ES2015c C FEE059 2 1182.164 1183.348 1182.4 1183.07 Yeah . 1183.07 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1193.463 1194.795 1193.9 1194.48 Yeah . 1194.48 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1194.544 1196.032 1194.62 1195.62 Yeah . 1195.62 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1197.776 1231.696 1197.8 1231.696 I think it would be possible . I don't think it would make that much difference . I mean , the uh the dimensions of it . 'Cause if it's just like constructed in the same way as like the front cover of a mobile phone . You can like take off the hard cover and then there's the like say the buttons . And then you get to the circuit . I don't think it would matter that the buttons were bigger through the , the top casing . I'm sure you could f work it out to fit in the casing , without causing too much difficulty . I'm sure that'd be fine . 1198.89 1201.27 1201.55 1204.78 1210.17 1214.24 1215.56 1221.41 1222.26 1225.68 1228.2 1231.64 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1225.497 1226.532 1225.75 1226.46 Yeah . 1226.46 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1228.012 1230.269 1228.32 1230.01 Okay . Alright . 1229.11 1230.01 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1228.141 1228.973 1228.34 1228.76 Yeah . 1228.76 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1231.325 1235.135 1231.52 1234.8 If it's do-able we can do . Yeah , sounds good to me . 1233.13 1234.02 1234.8 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1234.577 1236.759 1234.89 1236.23 So that's everything , then ? 1235.93 1236.23 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1237.02 1238.24 1237.15 1237.82 Okay . 1237.82 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1237.798 1239.426 1238.21 1238.81 Alright , thank you . 1238.44 1238.81 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1242.858 1244.555 1242.98 1244.13 Okay is that my turn then ? 1244.13 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1243.533 1247.344 1243.99 1247.12 That means you're up . Yeah . 1246.37 1247.12 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1244.02 1244.658 1244.29 1244.59 Yeah . 1244.59 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1245.792 1247.296 1245.85 1246.96 Alright . 1246.96 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1249.312 1255.856 1249.312 1255.856 I have a shorter report for you today . Um , it took a while to get this , uh 1253.21 1253.8 1254.97 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1256.912 1257.936 1257.06 1257.7 Uh . 1257.7 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1262.896 1264.622 1263.1 1264.36 You're not plugged in yet . 1264.36 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1264.26 1267.368 1264.26 1266.67 Oh . That's a very good point . 1265.72 1266.67 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1286.654 1298.526 1286.89 1298.34 Okay , so um , this report is about uh trend-watching . Um , basically so we can live up to our , our uh purpose of having a very fashionable remote control . Sorry . There we go . 1287.16 1287.8 1290.61 1290.89 1292.84 1296.81 1297.22 1298.34 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1298.526 1314.63 1298.9 1314.43 Um So , just so you know , my method was mainly web web-based research this time around . I also spoke with fashion experts in Milan , New York and Paris . And I looked at the design reports from previous years , here at Real Remote . Um , just so c we can work off of them , see how fashions have changed . 1300.23 1300.66 1303.52 1305.43 1306.9 1309.72 1311.41 1311.64 1312.89 1314.43 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1315.168 1331.293 1315.2 1331.15 Um , so I'll list the three most important aspects that I've come across . Um , and they , they're each more important than the one that comes after it . Uh , the first one is that there should be a fancy look-and-feel , instead of the current functional look-and-feel . Um , this should be our priority , as we've been saying . 1316.27 1319.3 1319.68 1320.4 1323.03 1323.26 1326.13 1328.62 1329.25 1330.26 1331.15 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1331.293 1340.167 1331.46 1340.167 The second most important aspect is that a remote sh that the remote control should be technologically innovative . So , I think we've done a lot of talking about that , just with lighting and the buttons and the 1336.42 1336.66 1338.03 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1340.544 1347.935 1340.56 1347.81 face-plates . Um , so it looks like we'll be able to keep on track with that . And the third most important aspect is that the remote control should be easy to use . 1341.93 1342.58 1344.41 1347.81 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1348.736 1350.303 1348.736 1350.09 So , pretty basic there . 1349.23 1350.09 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1350.976 1360.336 1351.02 1360.336 And the recent fashion update , uh , according to fashion-watchers in Paris and Milan , is that fruit and vegetables will be the most important theme for clothes , shoes and furniture . 1353.43 1353.83 1355.98 1358.86 1360.02 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1360.677 1369.024 1360.73 1368.81 Um , also , in contra uh in contrast to last year , the feel of the material is expected to be spongy . Again , we've already discussed that with rubber versus hard plastic buttons . 1361.34 1361.59 1363.16 1365.47 1365.79 1368.81 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1369.616 1370.192 1369.65 1370.192 Um - ES2015c D FEE060 3 1371.466 1374.462 1371.63 1374.26 So , my personal preferences here , 1372.15 1374.26 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1375.264 1391.893 1375.33 1391.7 um of course , as we , we've already talked about the personal face-plates in this meeting , and I'd like to stick to that . The fruits and vegetable themes , I don't know if that's going to work for us . It sounds something that you'd use on kitchenware . I don't know if we wanna do it on remotes . It could be one of the options . Maybe for the television that people have in their kitchen . 1376.19 1376.83 1378.89 1380.5 1382.01 1383.63 1386.39 1387.72 1389.55 1391.7 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1386.271 1386.954 1386.53 1386.84 Mm . 1386.84 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1389.351 1390.065 1389.66 1390.0 Mm-hmm . 1390.0 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1392.688 1400.656 1392.71 1400.59 Um , the temporary light-up idea , sounds like we're gonna stick to that . And then , uh , tying in a trendy look with user-friendliness . 1393.78 1394.82 1396.56 1397.99 1398.6 1400.59 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1401.888 1405.808 1401.92 1405.75 Yeah . Yeah , it's the fruits and vegetables is the only 1402.24 1403.56 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1406.604 1412.411 1407.21 1412.08 area that I find rather jarring . Everything else we can really , we can really 1409.53 1411.37 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1409.132 1410.168 1409.45 1409.82 Mm-hmm . 1409.82 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1409.534 1411.05 1409.84 1410.81 It is strange . 1410.81 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1413.373 1421.215 1413.66 1421.08 um , do , according to our plans already , given the market . But fruits and vegetables seems a very strange idea for a remote control . 1414.29 1414.53 1416.14 1416.87 1421.08 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1418.894 1430.816 1418.894 1430.816 It's , it's a little but it , it's everywhere . So maybe we I've seen a lot of purses with olives on them , you know . But I I think , I think if we stick to T_V_ based , you know , maybe T_V_ shows , or 1419.53 1420.74 1421.81 1424.73 1426.61 1427.28 1429.07 1429.51 1430.5 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1419.572 1420.866 1419.96 1420.74 Yeah . 1420.74 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1419.708 1420.965 1420.2 1420.965 Well - ES2015c A FEE057 0 1422.034 1422.634 1422.17 1422.6 Yeah . 1422.6 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1426.283 1427.356 1426.66 1427.12 Yeah . 1427.12 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1430.997 1431.838 1431.2 1431.67 Yeah . 1431.67 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1431.471 1433.617 1431.57 1433.38 Or colour schemes . 1433.38 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1431.221 1436.067 1431.64 1435.93 But they still need to um fit into people's decor though . 1435.93 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1432.431 1433.467 1432.6 1433.467 We - ES2015c D FEE060 3 1435.552 1437.057 1435.63 1436.7 Right . 1436.7 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1435.664 1485.472 1435.68 1485.43 I think we possibly could take a more abstract design . Like look at the basic shapes of different fruits and vegetables . And then just really like strip it down to like really basic shapes . I mean we don't have to make something in the shape of a strawberry , but it could have the curves of a strawberry , or something . Or a strawberry seed or a leaf . Or just like you know really make it a quite abstract , if that's fits in more with what we're doing . Instead of fruits and vegetables , just if you look at it straightforward , it's a bit yeah . It doesn't s quite fit in with the trendy well , obviously it does , if that's the current theme . But may maybe we could go more directly , I don't know . But initially , I dunno . I think if we just sort of tone it down a bit . 1439.13 1443.38 1450.12 1453.91 1456.41 1457.02 1459.42 1463.55 1466.52 1468.24 1469.86 1471.31 1473.99 1475.43 1476.53 1478.87 1479.85 1481.18 1481.57 1485.43 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1456.013 1457.789 1456.39 1457.789 Yeah . The 1456.82 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1456.653 1458.923 1456.9 1458.53 Yeah , yeah . 1457.99 1458.53 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1458.27 1461.168 1458.47 1460.69 The essence of strawberry . Yeah . 1460.31 1460.69 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1459.577 1460.39 1459.78 1460.23 Yeah . 1460.23 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1466.53 1467.677 1466.84 1467.56 Yeah . 1467.56 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1468.48 1469.478 1468.5 1469.4 Yeah . 1469.4 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1475.618 1477.616 1475.88 1477.616 Yeah . 1477.04 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1479.648 1480.608 1479.67 1480.43 Yeah . 1480.43 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1486.085 1489.888 1486.085 1489.77 Yeah and like not , not yeah . 1488.47 1489.77 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1486.016 1491.385 1486.35 1490.91 Tone it down . Yeah , like more like photos of fruit , on , on our product . 1486.92 1487.24 1489.44 1489.88 1490.91 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1486.361 1487.455 1486.38 1487.42 I guess , yeah . 1487.15 1487.42 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1486.915 1488.201 1487.14 1487.94 Yeah . 1487.94 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1489.543 1493.065 1489.76 1493.065 Or banana-shaped . 1492.96 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1490.864 1501.292 1490.88 1500.94 One thing I was thinking though is I dunno if you all remember from our kickoff meeting , we talked about our favourite animals . So maybe there could be animal-based , you know . Because a lot of people have a house cat . Or , or a dog . 1493.97 1495.74 1497.74 1498.3 1499.83 1500.29 1500.94 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1495.178 1497.139 1495.58 1497.139 Yeah . 1496.76 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1501.268 1501.85 1501.46 1501.81 Mm . 1501.81 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1501.674 1507.432 1501.88 1507.33 Um , that might be getting , you know , too specific , and we should see what the success of the first face-plates are . But it's something to keep in mind . 1502.49 1503.29 1503.48 1504.12 1506.29 1507.33 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1508.455 1509.602 1508.72 1509.02 Mm-hmm . 1509.02 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1509.669 1511.686 1509.669 1511.58 And , did you have any questions ? 1510.72 1511.58 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1516.571 1518.32 1516.95 1517.91 Pretty straightforward ? 1517.91 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1518.0 1519.888 1518.41 1519.34 Yeah . 1519.34 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1517.763 1520.672 1518.48 1520.672 Yeah um - ES2015c D FEE060 3 1519.473 1520.383 1519.91 1520.2 Okay . 1520.2 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1522.955 1525.582 1523.49 1525.43 Alright , given that information , 1523.76 1525.43 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1526.137 1530.368 1526.29 1530.19 we need to start making some more specific decisions . 1530.19 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1531.376 1536.255 1531.97 1535.83 So I'll need to um hook up the PowerPoint again . 1535.83 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1538.031 1539.157 1538.31 1538.69 There you go . 1538.69 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1551.553 1558.212 1551.92 1558.18 Have you guys been saving your PowerPoint presentations to the okay . 1558.18 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1554.526 1563.478 1554.526 1563.27 I didn't for the first one . But I have now . Yeah . Uh , hopefully . Project documents I think . 1556.64 1558.51 1559.14 1560.13 1561.87 1563.27 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1557.096 1559.843 1557.27 1559.8 But it's still around right ? Okay . 1559.09 1559.8 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1559.593 1562.146 1559.98 1562.02 Where do you have to save it to ? 1562.02 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1563.255 1564.106 1563.56 1563.97 Okay . 1563.97 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1577.321 1578.985 1577.84 1578.77 Okay . 1578.77 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1580.773 1583.03 1581.08 1582.63 I'm just trying to make this pop up now . 1582.63 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1591.168 1592.721 1591.61 1592.63 Alright . Here we go . 1591.82 1592.63 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1594.275 1601.936 1594.57 1601.68 Okay so we have to uh decide now exactly what we are going to do . So energy , we oh . 1599.27 1600.0 1601.68 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1599.09 1600.816 1599.46 1599.94 Okay . 1599.94 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1603.677 1604.713 1603.95 1604.07 'Kay . 1604.07 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1603.486 1606.076 1603.99 1605.88 Oh no I can't write it in when it's in this setting . 1605.88 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1607.148 1609.886 1607.47 1609.886 Does anyone know how to take it out of - ES2015c A FEE057 0 1610.64 1613.178 1610.67 1612.86 Um , yeah . 1612.37 1612.86 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1611.267 1613.301 1611.55 1612.97 Just escape I think . 1612.97 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1611.365 1612.733 1611.66 1612.32 The PowerPoint ? 1612.32 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1615.168 1625.19 1615.69 1624.9 Yeah . Okay . Um , so back to decisions . Energy , we've decided on kinetic , right ? Okay , so that's good . 1616.06 1616.9 1618.45 1619.68 1620.43 1622.33 1623.49 1623.86 1624.9 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1621.821 1626.334 1622.27 1625.68 Kinetic yeah . Are we going to have a backup ? 1624.47 1625.68 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1622.496 1623.236 1622.62 1623.11 Yeah . 1623.11 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1627.745 1629.792 1628.43 1629.65 Hmm . 1629.65 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1631.069 1633.658 1632.2 1633.658 Or do we just - ES2015c A FEE057 0 1632.924 1636.956 1633.58 1636.77 But would a backup really be necessary ? 1636.77 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1638.026 1641.92 1638.4 1641.85 I mean will people just use the battery if there's no , if there's , 1641.39 1641.85 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1642.131 1648.24 1642.39 1647.95 I think maybe we could just go for the kinetic energy , and 1647.18 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1642.724 1644.315 1642.99 1644.07 if there is backup . 1644.07 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1649.344 1663.568 1649.36 1663.44 be bold and innovative , and hope this works , and well hope that it works . I think yeah . I think no . I , I think we should just like take uh advantage of like using this to its full potential . Go for it . 1651.07 1652.72 1654.09 1654.83 1657.24 1657.42 1662.83 1663.44 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1650.714 1652.12 1651.23 1651.79 Yeah . 1651.79 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1653.822 1657.151 1654.0 1656.8 Yeah . There's like no reason why it wouldn't work , right ? 1654.82 1656.38 1656.8 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1656.946 1657.92 1657.18 1657.92 So - ES2015c A FEE057 0 1662.432 1665.034 1662.45 1664.83 Yeah . It could even be one of our selling points . 1662.74 1664.83 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1664.368 1667.837 1664.39 1667.58 It could be fully kinetic energy . Yeah . 1667.19 1667.58 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1664.35 1665.718 1664.59 1665.55 Yeah . 1665.55 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1665.404 1669.806 1665.49 1669.57 Yeah . Yeah . Environmentally conscious or something . 1667.05 1667.84 1669.57 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1669.008 1670.768 1669.09 1670.28 Is everyone happy with that ? 1670.28 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1668.919 1673.363 1669.18 1673.08 So if it's not working they just have to shake it a bit and that revitalises it ? Okay . 1672.73 1673.08 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1671.57 1673.136 1671.94 1672.22 Yeah . 1672.22 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1671.869 1673.607 1672.2 1673.29 Yeah . 1673.29 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1672.246 1674.465 1672.8 1674.465 Hope so . 1674.27 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1675.021 1682.161 1675.32 1681.81 Alright , the next um decision is chip on print . I don't exactly know what that means . 1675.51 1680.15 1681.81 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1681.968 1689.408 1682.04 1689.408 Um , it was whether we went for the simple , the regular , or the advanced chip . And that linked in with what buttons we would gonna have , so 1682.36 1684.18 1684.87 1685.97 1688.81 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1688.752 1691.934 1689.34 1691.66 Right , and we were going for more simplistic style , right ? 1689.61 1691.11 1691.66 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1691.584 1701.849 1691.6 1701.41 Yeah , it was so that was without the L_C_D_ . So that means we're not doing the advanced . So it depends on whether we wanted the scroll buttons or just the push buttons . 1692.82 1695.16 1697.17 1701.41 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1692.703 1693.498 1692.91 1693.3 Yeah . 1693.3 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1696.048 1696.964 1696.07 1696.9 Yeah . 1696.9 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1700.96 1703.993 1701.57 1703.67 I think we decided on the pushbuttons , right ? 1703.22 1703.67 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1702.817 1704.778 1703.29 1704.52 Yeah . I don yeah . 1703.59 1704.52 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1703.387 1705.776 1703.61 1704.88 Uh , so that's the simple . 1703.75 1704.88 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1703.581 1704.728 1704.08 1704.54 Mm-hmm . 1704.54 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1704.4 1709.431 1704.58 1709.21 Yeah . Would we need a more advanced one for uh the lighting , the interior lighting system ? 1705.0 1707.93 1709.21 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1710.083 1719.12 1710.1 1719.12 Yeah possibly . So , it's probably gonna be the regular chip that we're going to need . So it's a medium . So regular chip . Regular sorry . 1711.13 1711.31 1714.04 1715.64 1717.51 1718.61 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1711.021 1711.872 1711.36 1711.81 Yeah ? 1711.81 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1713.945 1718.125 1714.43 1717.82 Okay . That's called medium , or regular ? 1716.06 1716.92 1717.82 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1718.494 1719.68 1718.83 1719.61 'Kay . 1719.61 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1720.16 1722.896 1720.36 1722.79 Regular chip . 1722.79 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1721.69 1723.244 1721.89 1723.0 Oh , is regular not simple ? 1722.02 1723.0 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1723.44 1726.451 1723.46 1726.22 Yeah . It's for the lighting , yeah . 1724.42 1725.39 1726.22 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1723.655 1728.48 1723.94 1727.64 Lighting . Yeah if we because of the lighting that we've decided to put in as well . 1724.37 1727.64 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1726.825 1728.409 1727.15 1728.07 Right right right . 1728.07 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1728.816 1735.504 1728.84 1735.43 Okay , and cases . Um , does this , is this dependent on shape , or what it's made of , or what ? 1729.23 1730.99 1731.76 1732.24 1733.48 1734.58 1735.43 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1731.053 1732.348 1731.44 1731.94 So th - ES2015c B FEE058 1 1735.469 1741.684 1736.13 1740.98 I think this is just like gonna be the a very outer case , which we will decide on rubber . 1738.73 1740.98 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1740.71 1741.708 1741.07 1741.6 Yeah . 1741.6 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1741.733 1749.094 1742.06 1748.9 Yeah . Well , I guess plastic and coated in rubber . Plastic with rubber 1742.7 1742.98 1746.14 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1744.032 1748.144 1744.52 1748.09 Rubber . Yeah . Plastic rubber coat . 1745.64 1746.32 1748.09 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1744.764 1748.182 1745.13 1748.1 Yeah plastic coat . 1748.1 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1749.76 1753.424 1749.9 1753.29 coating and interchangeable - ES2015c B FEE058 1 1754.446 1758.16 1754.73 1757.19 Interchangeable , yeah . Still going for that . Yeah . 1755.5 1755.7 1756.85 1757.19 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1754.495 1755.383 1754.76 1755.3 um - ES2015c A FEE057 0 1755.974 1760.191 1756.41 1759.97 yeah , interchangeable plates . Okay . 1756.54 1759.22 1759.97 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1765.148 1767.182 1765.47 1767.02 User interface concept . 1767.02 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1767.875 1769.872 1768.18 1769.7 This is your time to shine . 1769.7 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1769.584 1775.165 1769.62 1775.09 We decided on the component . I , I I'm sorry , I've lost my um 1772.83 1773.08 1773.95 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1776.016 1780.899 1776.016 1780.899 PowerPoint thing , so I can't remember what it's ca it's the component 1777.57 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1776.623 1778.752 1776.84 1778.26 Your screen ? 1778.26 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1778.505 1780.873 1778.72 1780.53 Think it was called command interface . 1780.53 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1779.619 1780.913 1780.06 1780.913 Was it - ES2015c A FEE057 0 1780.452 1782.412 1780.89 1782.32 Oh , yeah . Yeah . 1781.21 1781.6 1782.32 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1781.863 1783.491 1782.1 1783.31 Command interface , . 1783.31 1783.31 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1782.49 1784.117 1782.72 1783.88 The command inter - ES2015c A FEE057 0 1783.115 1784.817 1783.34 1784.59 Command interface . 1784.59 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1783.728 1785.232 1784.02 1784.43 Ouch . 1784.43 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1785.152 1787.435 1785.17 1787.33 The command line interface yeah . 1787.33 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1786.891 1790.184 1787.35 1789.76 Did you say command line ? Okay . 1789.23 1789.76 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1788.848 1790.08 1788.9 1789.93 Yeah . 1789.93 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1791.589 1793.616 1791.94 1793.42 Line interface . 1793.42 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1796.176 1798.581 1796.57 1798.53 Alright , and supplements . 1796.95 1798.53 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1799.284 1800.928 1799.62 1800.59 What's that all about ? 1800.59 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1800.789 1801.75 1801.02 1801.58 Um , 1801.58 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1802.675 1807.669 1802.88 1807.36 I think that is well we haven't really made any decisions about - ES2015c C FEE059 2 1808.187 1831.007 1808.45 1830.69 what we're gonna do about the cluster of button functions , colours and forms , in the in consistent use . Like what what are ideas to combat these problems ? You know how um different interfaces are very different , and can be confusing because because of their difference , and because of the different clusters of buttons that they have . 1810.89 1812.01 1814.47 1818.29 1823.05 1826.46 1830.69 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1817.87 1819.276 1818.27 1819.276 Um - ES2015c A FEE057 0 1827.158 1828.305 1827.5 1827.86 Mm-hmm . 1827.86 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1831.523 1835.038 1831.66 1834.67 We haven't really decided what to do about that . 1834.67 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1835.979 1839.234 1836.37 1838.88 Um , what are our choices here ? 1836.73 1838.88 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1839.303 1841.14 1839.303 1841.11 Well it's just um - ES2015c C FEE059 2 1843.296 1850.611 1843.32 1850.06 w where where shall we locate the buttons . What kind of functions wi shall we have ? 1846.9 1850.06 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1850.849 1857.951 1851.08 1857.07 You mean like we'll have the numbers of the channels , and we'll have the channel-changer , and volume , and power ? 1853.13 1855.46 1856.21 1857.07 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1853.464 1855.092 1853.94 1854.86 The power . 1854.86 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1855.536 1856.736 1855.68 1856.29 Volume . 1856.29 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1856.336 1857.379 1856.56 1856.81 Mm-hmm . 1856.81 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1858.769 1863.88 1858.82 1863.68 So pretty just just the basic button functions . 1863.68 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1858.654 1859.912 1859.04 1859.912 Um - ES2015c A FEE057 0 1861.712 1868.946 1861.77 1868.946 Yeah . Like I don't know if we should go into like adjusting light levels , things like that , because different televisions will have 1862.73 1866.54 1867.16 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1868.422 1872.704 1868.76 1872.704 May yeah . Tone , contrast , and things . That's a bit 1869.53 1869.82 1870.48 1870.89 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1869.507 1871.906 1869.89 1871.39 Um , yeah . 1870.87 1871.39 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1871.429 1872.88 1871.429 1872.79 That was on , um 1872.43 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1874.005 1878.518 1874.2 1878.08 one of my presentations . About how often it was used . Do you remember that ? 1876.27 1877.49 1878.08 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1877.637 1880.8 1877.94 1880.6 Yeah , it was minima well , it wasn't the l 1878.24 1879.57 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1877.824 1878.823 1878.25 1878.53 Yep . 1878.53 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1879.176 1880.153 1879.47 1879.94 Yeah . 1879.94 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1879.452 1882.337 1879.95 1882.02 Yeah , it was hardly ever used really . 1880.28 1882.02 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1880.304 1881.708 1880.304 1881.6 I w - ES2015c D FEE060 3 1882.015 1883.993 1882.015 1883.57 Should I bring it up ? 1883.57 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1883.558 1886.998 1883.85 1886.81 Yeah . And most televisions will come with a remote . 1884.56 1886.81 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1883.815 1891.71 1884.26 1891.71 Yeah . That would be good . Yeah , and surely that would be like quite specific to the individual television , so 1884.51 1886.37 1886.75 1891.09 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1889.31 1891.973 1889.5 1891.37 Yeah , each television . 1889.86 1891.37 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1889.677 1890.898 1890.18 1890.8 Yeah . 1890.8 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1894.201 1897.049 1894.6 1896.83 'Kay , well we know we want numbers . 1894.77 1896.83 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1895.329 1897.659 1895.8 1897.3 The ch t - ES2015c D FEE060 3 1898.584 1904.651 1898.76 1904.54 Screen settings was used um zero point five times an hour . So tw twice every once every two hours . 1902.35 1904.54 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1905.28 1911.642 1905.3 1911.39 Um , and it was considered a one point five relevance , on a scale of ten . That's brightness , colour , tone , all that . 1905.67 1907.55 1908.7 1909.27 1910.41 1910.88 1911.39 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1910.672 1923.44 1910.79 1923.37 Mm . I think most of that comes like on the i individual television set itself , doesn't it ? I'm sure it has its own buttons , so you don't necessarily need to have it on remote . 1913.46 1917.02 1917.27 1919.16 1923.37 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1912.779 1916.478 1913.03 1916.28 You don't change that often , yeah . 1915.13 1916.28 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1917.734 1918.696 1918.0 1918.37 Mm-hmm . 1918.37 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1917.687 1919.463 1918.21 1919.17 Yeah , it does . 1918.39 1919.17 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1923.408 1928.452 1923.49 1928.1 Yeah , and different televisions . Like we , I don't know if we can make a remote that would be universal to all the different kinds of 1923.81 1924.61 1924.89 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1923.6 1924.644 1923.87 1924.4 Yeah . 1924.4 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1927.488 1935.023 1927.72 1934.78 Yeah . So we're just going for power , channels , volume , 1928.84 1931.59 1933.08 1934.78 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1928.822 1930.227 1929.09 1930.15 changes like that . 1930.15 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1932.484 1934.259 1932.87 1933.69 Volume . 1933.69 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1935.024 1952.813 1935.04 1952.51 The other one was audio settings . Mono , stereo , pitch . I mean I sometimes use that . Some T_V_s will have the option of like living room style , movie style , um and that , they say that's used zero point eight times an hour , which is actually somewhat high . Like almost once an hour . Um , relevance of two . 1936.53 1936.82 1937.29 1937.91 1939.54 1941.91 1943.44 1944.7 1946.63 1948.27 1951.01 1951.65 1952.51 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1942.463 1943.741 1942.58 1943.51 Yeah . 1943.51 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1948.853 1950.272 1949.0 1950.23 Mm . 1950.23 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1950.422 1951.901 1950.65 1951.71 Yeah . 1951.71 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1955.543 1957.911 1955.81 1957.74 Oh . We have five minutes to finish our meeting . 1956.11 1957.74 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1958.88 1962.941 1958.9 1962.941 Crap . Okay , um , let's do this fast . Um 1959.97 1960.42 1960.85 1962.12 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1962.511 1963.991 1962.66 1963.57 Well that didn't some up on mine . 1963.57 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1963.459 1964.865 1963.69 1964.5 Should we have audio ? 1964.5 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1966.308 1968.527 1966.65 1968.41 It only comes up on mine usually . 1968.41 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1967.836 1973.94 1967.88 1973.82 It w it would seem silly if we'd having anything else , just have an audio button though . 1971.51 1973.82 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1968.097 1968.688 1968.38 1968.51 Oh . 1968.51 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1974.608 1975.604 1974.63 1975.19 Do you know ? 1975.19 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1974.816 1988.425 1975.11 1987.8 Yeah , I don't , I it's , it's a problem with the international uh appeal , I think . Um , if we have audio because we don't know how other televisions work . But we know that everyone has this and it's the same . 1975.3 1975.67 1976.83 1979.81 1980.32 1980.64 1985.45 1987.8 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1985.303 1986.193 1985.44 1986.193 But we - ES2015c D FEE060 3 1988.816 1997.854 1988.86 1997.82 Yeah I guess that it affects the marketing , 'cause it , mm it is a good sales ploy to say , aren't you annoyed with remote controls that have all these buttons . This one has channel , volume and your channe and your power . 1990.31 1990.9 1992.98 1994.82 1995.65 1997.82 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1988.983 1989.649 1989.23 1989.649 I've - ES2015c C FEE059 2 1994.468 1995.763 1994.73 1995.42 Yeah . 1995.42 ES2015c B FEE058 1 1995.737 2004.862 1995.77 2004.79 Yeah , that's it . We can just go for , make it a selling point that it is just the basic . Yeah uh I brilliant . 1996.19 1996.92 1997.92 2001.44 2004.79 ES2015c C FEE059 2 1996.466 1998.64 1996.77 1998.61 That could be a sales pitch . 1998.61 ES2015c A FEE057 0 1997.557 1998.358 1997.75 1998.2 Yeah . 1998.2 ES2015c D FEE060 3 1998.522 1999.265 1998.79 1999.15 Yeah . 1999.15 ES2015c C FEE059 2 2000.165 2002.015 2000.19 2002.015 Simple and - ES2015c A FEE057 0 2000.548 2001.238 2000.72 2001.18 Yeah . 2001.18 ES2015c D FEE060 3 2001.738 2002.7 2002.02 2002.47 Okay . 2002.47 ES2015c A FEE057 0 2002.308 2003.381 2002.6 2003.32 Alright . 2003.32 ES2015c C FEE059 2 2002.828 2003.642 2003.08 2003.46 Yeah . 2003.46 ES2015c A FEE057 0 2003.862 2012.4 2004.19 2012.34 Good . And , okay , in closing , 'cause we only have five minutes . We'll be meeting again in thirty minutes . Um , 2005.33 2005.96 2006.29 2006.95 2008.57 2011.58 2012.34 ES2015c A FEE057 0 2013.332 2017.29 2013.55 2017.2 you'll be working , Poppy will be working on the look-and-feel design . 2014.52 2017.2 ES2015c A FEE057 0 2017.734 2019.694 2018.1 2019.61 Wait a minute . Is that right ? 2018.59 2019.61 ES2015c B FEE058 1 2019.183 2020.145 2019.54 2020.01 Mm-hmm . 2020.01 ES2015c A FEE057 0 2020.071 2027.692 2020.11 2027.19 Yep , and um the user interface design , so this is where the trendy stuff comes in . And you'll be evaluating the product . 2020.41 2023.17 2024.73 2027.19 ES2015c A FEE057 0 2028.172 2029.134 2028.4 2028.88 Um , 2028.88 ES2015c A FEE057 0 2029.985 2034.498 2030.22 2034.46 Poppy and Tara will have to work together , using modelling clay . 2033.0 2034.46 ES2015c A FEE057 0 2034.905 2040.676 2035.04 2040.53 And , um , your personal coach will give you the rest of the information of what needs to happen . 2035.51 2036.58 2040.53 ES2015c B FEE058 1 2039.248 2075.12 2040.17 2074.56 Okay . Um , I just have one question about the whole fruit and vegetable aspect . Are we seeing as that was the most popular thing that came up out of your market research , I thi I think we should keep to that rather than moving to animals or something , because even if that may not seem obvious to us , if that's what the surveys brought out , I think that we should probably go along with that . Um , so I suppose that'll come out in our dev design development . But you're happy to go ahead with the fruit and veg ? 2043.59 2043.88 2050.19 2055.15 2058.88 2062.58 2064.5 2066.91 2068.24 2071.49 2074.56 ES2015c A FEE057 0 2041.12 2044.042 2041.14 2043.81 Alright . So , anyone else have something to say ? 2041.56 2042.31 2043.81 ES2015c A FEE057 0 2045.379 2045.972 2045.52 2045.7 Yeah . 2045.7 ES2015c A FEE057 0 2048.125 2049.604 2048.4 2049.05 Yeah . 2049.05 ES2015c D FEE060 3 2048.307 2049.01 2048.52 2048.84 Mm-hmm . 2048.84 ES2015c D FEE060 3 2059.051 2059.791 2059.29 2059.62 Yeah . 2059.62 ES2015c A FEE057 0 2059.518 2060.776 2059.84 2060.4 Yeah . 2060.4 ES2015c A FEE057 0 2065.807 2067.175 2066.33 2067.01 Yeah . 2067.01 ES2015c D FEE060 3 2073.44 2079.503 2073.48 2079.503 Now do you guys need want an idea of how many uh are you gonna come up with casing ideas ? Like f five different 2077.65 ES2015c B FEE058 1 2078.013 2079.744 2078.03 2079.22 Y Yeah . 2079.22 ES2015c C FEE059 2 2078.304 2079.192 2078.59 2079.16 Yeah . 2079.16 ES2015c A FEE057 0 2079.251 2082.671 2079.251 2082.48 five . . 2082.48 2082.48 ES2015c C FEE059 2 2079.707 2080.521 2079.83 2080.521 What I - ES2015c C FEE059 2 2080.965 2090.842 2080.99 2090.73 What I was thinking what do yous think of this ? Um , having the numbers kind of like , not a bunch of grapes , but you know like purple and kind of in a triangle . 2083.37 2084.55 2087.04 2088.2 2090.73 ES2015c D FEE060 3 2090.563 2091.266 2090.73 2091.05 Mm-hmm . 2091.05 ES2015c C FEE059 2 2091.216 2096.595 2091.28 2096.595 Like grapes . Like that's kind of fruity or something . That's just 2092.61 2095.76 ES2015c D FEE060 3 2092.117 2094.336 2092.39 2094.3 Yeah you can have some fun with the buttons , it's true . 2093.88 2094.3 ES2015c A FEE057 0 2094.27 2095.601 2094.8 2095.24 Mm-hmm . 2095.24 ES2015c D FEE060 3 2095.705 2096.556 2096.01 2096.48 Yeah . 2096.48 ES2015c B FEE058 1 2095.744 2099.507 2096.37 2099.507 We can have a look at those ideas , yeah . 2098.25 2099.27 ES2015c A FEE057 0 2097.961 2098.977 2098.44 2098.79 Yeah . 2098.79 ES2015c D FEE060 3 2098.496 2110.722 2098.52 2110.722 I guess what you i ideally you'd kind of think of age markets as well . So it's a something that will , you know , appeal to the fifteen to twenty five year olds . Something that your granny would want on her remote control . Um , and international tastes as well , so 2101.76 2102.86 2103.41 2104.93 2107.92 2108.91 2110.28 ES2015c B FEE058 1 2101.69 2102.8 2101.89 2102.28 Yeah . 2102.28 ES2015c B FEE058 1 2107.684 2108.634 2108.02 2108.33 Yeah . 2108.33 ES2015c A FEE057 0 2108.318 2109.054 2108.6 2108.93 Yeah . 2108.93 ES2015c D FEE060 3 2111.388 2114.15 2111.388 2114.15 Not easy . 2114.08 ES2015c B FEE058 1 2111.751 2115.562 2111.96 2115.53 Tricky . A lot of things to consider . Hm . 2112.31 2115.06 2115.53 ES2015c A FEE057 0 2112.761 2113.537 2112.9 2113.46 Yeah . 2113.46 ES2015c C FEE059 2 2114.549 2115.807 2114.78 2115.47 Yeah . 2115.47 ES2015c A FEE057 0 2114.438 2116.066 2114.85 2115.87 Lots of yeah . 2115.87 ES2015c B FEE058 1 2117.226 2118.817 2117.226 2118.6 Okay . 2118.6 ES2015c A FEE057 0 2117.126 2118.236 2117.33 2117.85 Alright . 2117.85 ES2015c A FEE057 0 2119.062 2135.888 2119.47 2135.81 'Kay we'll stick to the fruit and veggie theme then . Alright . And , um , we'll reconvene in thirty minutes . 'Kay . Bye . I'll see you later . Oh , what did I just do . Okay . 2122.34 2123.33 2123.79 2124.36 2126.02 2126.31 2128.76 2132.84 2133.24 2134.36 2135.81 ES2015c B FEE058 1 2125.04 2131.565 2125.65 2127.27 Okay . Thank you . 2127.07 2130.87 ES2015c C FEE059 2 2125.462 2126.736 2125.78 2126.17 Okay . 2126.17 ES2015c D FEE060 3 2125.92 2126.723 2126.16 2126.68 Okay . 2126.68 ES2015d A FEE057 0 58.464 60.186 58.48 60.04 Okay . Here we go . 58.83 60.04 ES2015d A FEE057 0 64.25 66.321 64.37 66.2 Alright , the agenda for thi oh . 64.82 66.2 ES2015d A FEE057 0 67.312 82.857 67.33 82.73 Alright . Um the agenda for this meeting is um we'll initially have the prototype presentation by our two designers . And then we will evaluate it , given the criteria that um that we gave 68.16 77.41 79.68 ES2015d A FEE057 0 83.632 105.257 83.95 105.257 gave it . And um talk about our finances , whether we were under or over our budget . I have a um a spreadsheet where we can calculate um our prices for every aspect of of what we've made , given our options . And um evaluate the product , as a group . And um 84.48 87.01 90.03 98.32 99.46 102.48 104.06 ES2015d B FEE058 1 103.252 104.435 103.54 104.11 Okay . 104.11 ES2015d A FEE057 0 105.904 111.489 106.12 111.33 So first we'll have the prototype presentation . Do you need the um PowerPoint for this ? 108.89 111.33 ES2015d B FEE058 1 110.625 113.991 110.77 113.87 Um yeah . I just got a few slides , so show them . 111.33 112.94 113.87 ES2015d A FEE057 0 112.655 113.361 112.83 113.26 Alright . 113.26 ES2015d B FEE058 1 115.072 115.951 115.09 115.85 Thank you . 115.85 ES2015d C FEE059 2 123.128 127.104 123.128 127.104 Um - ES2015d B FEE058 1 123.202 125.643 123.36 125.643 Do you want to present it ? 125.25 ES2015d C FEE059 2 128.128 139.968 128.128 139.968 This is what we came up with . It's a pretty simple design . It's um based on a mango ? Yeah . And we 131.35 133.53 136.85 137.76 ES2015d B FEE058 1 128.27 129.638 128.38 129.53 Yeah , here we are . 128.72 129.53 ES2015d B FEE058 1 138.294 140.661 138.294 140.21 Mango shape . 140.21 ES2015d A FEE057 0 138.081 141.38 138.39 141.24 On ? A mango . Okay . 139.66 140.92 141.24 ES2015d C FEE059 2 140.903 146.448 140.95 146.41 Yeah . And we have the company logo here and this will be the 141.73 ES2015d C FEE059 2 147.745 154.544 147.86 154.18 infrared here and this'll be the power point , the on off button kind yeah . 151.6 154.18 ES2015d B FEE058 1 148.836 150.242 149.05 150.15 The L_E_D_ . 150.15 ES2015d A FEE057 0 152.701 154.033 153.05 153.8 Oh . Okay . 153.17 153.8 ES2015d D FEE060 3 154.152 156.26 154.47 155.84 I'm sorry . What was the where's the L_E_D_ ? 154.69 155.84 ES2015d A FEE057 0 154.944 155.648 155.17 155.57 Oops . 155.57 ES2015d C FEE059 2 156.114 165.056 156.2 165.02 It's in the middle of one of the little R_s . And then the other one is the power . And uh we just have a simple design . We wanted it all to be 158.48 161.01 163.84 ES2015d D FEE060 3 157.629 159.12 157.82 158.97 Oh . Okay . 158.02 158.97 ES2015d B FEE058 1 165.256 167.032 165.42 166.76 So it's palm-held . 166.76 ES2015d C FEE059 2 165.806 170.393 165.97 170.14 accessible from your thumb yeah palm-held and all the - ES2015d B FEE058 1 168.253 168.992 168.44 168.94 Yeah . 168.94 ES2015d A FEE057 0 169.273 170.05 169.46 169.76 Yeah . 169.76 ES2015d C FEE059 2 171.244 173.352 171.42 173.32 buttons are accessible from your thumb . 173.32 ES2015d A FEE057 0 173.231 175.636 173.88 175.45 Notice you have a number ten button . 175.45 ES2015d C FEE059 2 173.87 174.721 174.02 174.721 So you don't have to - ES2015d C FEE059 2 176.096 184.193 176.24 184.08 Oh that was a mistake , wasn't it ? Right no , that's a zero . Take that one off . 177.86 179.29 180.23 182.89 184.08 ES2015d A FEE057 0 178.576 187.408 178.576 187.408 Okay . 186.75 ES2015d B FEE058 1 179.239 186.08 179.57 186.08 You just need the nought . 185.71 ES2015d C FEE059 2 185.44 190.65 185.44 190.65 Sorry . I was in charge of the numbers . 187.34 190.5 ES2015d A FEE057 0 188.624 191.696 188.624 191.64 No problem . Ah . 191.27 191.64 ES2015d C FEE059 2 191.544 194.288 191.67 194.25 And this is just if you've got like eleven or twelve or - ES2015d C FEE059 2 195.392 203.544 195.42 203.41 thirt the plus . You can go one , three or something . You press that first and then you go one three yeah . 198.02 199.05 200.64 203.41 ES2015d B FEE058 1 197.209 199.465 197.36 199.465 So one plus one would be eleven , or 199.04 ES2015d A FEE057 0 200.104 202.064 200.25 201.8 Oh . You press a plus button ? 200.7 201.8 ES2015d A FEE057 0 203.664 206.102 203.84 205.82 Oh okay . I've never heard of that kind before . 204.37 205.82 ES2015d C FEE059 2 205.436 214.24 205.84 214.24 Well we just thought , we have all the numbers here , so we wanted something representative of numbers larger than ten and 207.05 208.94 ES2015d B FEE058 1 214.176 236.928 214.2 236.84 Yeah because if you on your average um remote , if you press one twice you just go to um or uh say you wanted channel twelve , you press one , and then you go to channel one , and then two then you'd just go to channel two , instead of twelve . So if you did like one plus two you could go to channel twelve , or two plus two is channel twenty two . 219.47 224.76 225.33 226.87 229.22 230.53 234.35 236.84 ES2015d A FEE057 0 214.536 215.313 214.68 215.13 Yeah . 215.13 ES2015d A FEE057 0 224.745 225.559 225.01 225.39 Yeah . 225.39 ES2015d D FEE060 3 229.271 231.231 229.58 231.04 Oh , there's no e okay . 229.86 231.04 ES2015d C FEE059 2 230.501 233.682 230.82 233.4 So the plus and then yeah . 233.4 ES2015d A FEE057 0 230.748 231.931 230.95 231.88 Oh . 231.88 ES2015d A FEE057 0 233.792 234.17 233.81 233.93 I - ES2015d D FEE060 3 233.599 234.72 233.85 234.45 Okay . 234.45 ES2015d A FEE057 0 234.825 235.676 234.96 235.676 But - ES2015d A FEE057 0 236.453 239.819 236.56 239.56 Would you have to go zero plus one if you wanted to go to channel one or two ? 239.56 ES2015d C FEE059 2 239.192 243.15 239.31 243.11 No no , th all that's why we have all these numbers . These numbers um 240.05 241.81 ES2015d C FEE059 2 245.148 250.365 245.43 250.365 these numbers all work independently up to nine . 250.21 ES2015d A FEE057 0 248.993 255.725 249.19 255.57 Yeah but I mean if you press , it'll go to that channel right away . 'Cause you gotta press the plus afterwards . 251.45 253.56 255.57 ES2015d C FEE059 2 252.916 253.804 253.2 253.65 Yeah . 253.65 ES2015d C FEE059 2 255.801 260.56 256.08 260.52 Oh no . Uh , the plus is only for if you're going past the number nine . 256.54 256.95 260.52 ES2015d A FEE057 0 260.544 273.202 260.75 272.99 Yeah I know , but if if I wanna go to say number like sixty five , channel sixty five , if I press the six it'll go to channel six , and then I'll press the plus , and then it'll go to six and then put the five and it'll go to sixty five ? 261.19 264.99 265.87 269.09 270.15 272.99 ES2015d D FEE060 3 263.689 264.688 263.88 264.59 Sixty . 264.59 ES2015d C FEE059 2 265.954 266.654 266.04 266.48 You p - ES2015d C FEE059 2 269.061 269.838 269.37 269.67 Oh . 269.67 ES2015d C FEE059 2 272.224 286.48 272.24 286.48 No you press the plus first . I I well it doesn't we haven't really s I would've thought you pressed the plus first and then the six five , but she says plus press which what do you think is simpler ? It's a 274.11 279.88 285.36 ES2015d B FEE058 1 273.91 274.76 274.19 274.68 Oh . 274.68 ES2015d B FEE058 1 280.79 284.23 281.22 283.87 Well I don't mind , we can further define that . 282.35 283.87 ES2015d A FEE057 0 283.475 284.252 283.68 284.19 I th - ES2015d A FEE057 0 285.488 286.16 285.51 286.16 Um - ES2015d B FEE058 1 286.228 292.072 286.41 291.93 I wouldn't have thought it'd be a problem that it went to channel six first , in like on the way to channel sixty five . 289.43 291.93 ES2015d C FEE059 2 289.184 290.072 289.36 289.94 Yeah . 289.94 ES2015d A FEE057 0 291.28 296.448 291.51 296.39 Yeah it wouldn't be a problem . But I was just wondering like as long as we realise that's what it'll do . 292.9 296.39 ES2015d C FEE059 2 292.427 293.389 292.61 293.28 Yeah . 293.28 ES2015d B FEE058 1 292.894 295.521 292.91 295.06 But I suppose it's not as snappy . 295.06 ES2015d D FEE060 3 294.48 302.272 294.5 302.21 Well the there is a there's a delay on remotes I think . Where you can have it it's like a five second input time . So as long as you hit them dada 298.07 300.83 ES2015d C FEE059 2 296.405 297.228 296.67 296.83 Oops . 296.83 ES2015d C FEE059 2 298.087 299.382 298.29 299.13 Yeah . 299.13 ES2015d B FEE058 1 298.776 301.735 299.01 301.735 Yeah . Yeah . If you don't put it 300.09 300.78 ES2015d B FEE058 1 302.512 304.806 302.7 304.45 Yeah . Yeah , that yeah . 303.21 303.51 304.45 ES2015d C FEE059 2 302.711 303.673 302.92 303.27 Yeah . 303.27 ES2015d D FEE060 3 304.205 308.555 304.205 308.35 it should be fine . As long as there's not a big pause between the t hitting the two buttons . 305.92 308.35 ES2015d A FEE057 0 305.267 306.155 305.44 306.0 Yeah . 306.0 ES2015d B FEE058 1 308.024 308.875 308.28 308.63 Mm-hmm . 308.63 ES2015d C FEE059 2 308.848 310.59 308.87 310.59 Yeah . So 310.23 ES2015d B FEE058 1 311.02 312.204 311.17 312.204 Um - ES2015d D FEE060 3 312.144 315.261 312.29 315.261 Was there so on the top there is volume and - ES2015d B FEE058 1 315.232 321.663 315.33 321.663 And channel , which is so you could just go like that without thinking about it , like 316.47 320.92 ES2015d C FEE059 2 315.325 316.509 315.75 316.37 A channel . 316.37 ES2015d D FEE060 3 316.431 318.288 316.67 318.08 Channel up volume up . Okay cool . 317.53 318.08 ES2015d A FEE057 0 318.259 319.61 318.45 319.22 C_ and V_ . 319.22 ES2015d C FEE059 2 318.411 320.452 318.53 320.452 Just so we can flick - ES2015d A FEE057 0 320.535 323.383 320.76 323.26 Right , where um where's the power button ? 321.09 323.26 ES2015d D FEE060 3 320.648 321.647 320.94 321.23 Yeah . 321.23 ES2015d C FEE059 2 323.279 327.564 323.47 327.564 It's in the middle of one of the little R_s . 327.34 ES2015d B FEE058 1 323.884 325.66 323.97 325.35 It's the bigger R_ . 325.35 ES2015d D FEE060 3 323.719 324.976 324.05 324.55 It's the R_ . 324.55 ES2015d A FEE057 0 325.64 326.86 325.9 326.74 Oh okay . 326.74 ES2015d B FEE058 1 326.688 330.691 326.72 330.33 So it's just like . We deci 329.88 ES2015d C FEE059 2 328.347 333.637 328.47 333.47 Yeah , so it's all accessible . Without m taking your hand off the remote . 328.89 330.75 333.47 ES2015d A FEE057 0 328.96 329.437 328.99 329.29 Yeah . 329.29 ES2015d A FEE057 0 333.297 334.222 333.56 333.95 Yeah . 333.95 ES2015d B FEE058 1 333.476 349.936 333.79 349.87 Yeah um we went for like a a circular design for the numbers because we thought that's kind of a more natural movement than just going like that with your thumb . Uh e ergonomics are all considered . Yeah . 346.67 348.89 349.87 ES2015d D FEE060 3 334.039 334.964 334.28 334.76 Mm-hmm . 334.76 ES2015d A FEE057 0 345.827 346.744 346.08 346.67 Oh okay . 346.67 ES2015d D FEE060 3 346.71 347.486 346.9 347.14 Mm-hmm . 347.14 ES2015d A FEE057 0 347.178 350.182 347.31 350.12 Yeah . Ergonomic , definitely ergonomic . 348.22 348.91 350.12 ES2015d C FEE059 2 348.006 358.048 348.14 358.048 And it might actually help with the repetitive stress injury as well . Okay . 355.09 357.88 ES2015d B FEE058 1 353.696 387.088 353.76 386.97 It could cause another type of repetitive stress injury though . But yeah , no I mean it's a different movement so yeah . Um and the feel of it , I mean , we've made this out of Play Doh , which is representing the , you know , the rubber , and the spongy rubberness . Um 'cause it was said before in the material specification that this the this anti-R_S_I_ um material is often used in stress balls so this has got a you know a bit of give to it , and it just feels feels different . Would you like to feel it yourselves ? How it fits in the palm of your hand ? 356.3 356.78 360.89 362.99 363.26 365.0 366.44 366.72 367.74 369.45 381.61 383.88 385.07 386.97 ES2015d C FEE059 2 359.152 360.102 359.17 359.97 Yeah . 359.97 ES2015d A FEE057 0 366.602 368.367 366.72 368.04 The spon yeah . 368.04 ES2015d C FEE059 2 367.574 370.053 367.68 370.053 Yeah . 369.4 ES2015d C FEE059 2 381.346 382.345 381.6 382.27 Yeah . 382.27 ES2015d A FEE057 0 381.9 383.934 381.96 383.6 Yeah . Bit of a stress ball feel . 382.45 383.6 ES2015d C FEE059 2 383.229 400.802 383.55 400.802 Yeah . 400.1 ES2015d A FEE057 0 384.75 386.561 384.91 386.25 Yes . I would . 385.71 386.25 ES2015d A FEE057 0 387.152 393.215 387.17 393.215 My goodness . There you go . Genevieve ? Yeah . 389.17 391.71 392.25 393.03 ES2015d B FEE058 1 388.4 394.096 388.4 394.096 Thanks . And you ? 391.2 393.3 ES2015d D FEE060 3 391.098 399.843 391.6 399.843 Yes . Oh it's nice . Oh I think I killed the five . I did . I killed the four . Oh god . 393.26 393.81 395.84 396.23 397.44 399.4 ES2015d A FEE057 0 396.174 399.355 396.44 399.355 And something hmm . 399.02 ES2015d B FEE058 1 397.668 398.138 397.99 398.06 O - ES2015d B FEE058 1 399.376 418.602 399.4 418.54 Okay , as for the colours , we were presented with um a limited range of colours for this prototype . But we're thinking that , seeing as we're having it in interchangeable casing anyway , that this is not necessarily a representation of the true colours that we would necessarily use . Or the combination . 399.72 400.56 405.75 407.2 411.19 417.56 418.54 ES2015d D FEE060 3 402.491 405.339 402.94 405.339 Oh it smells good . 405.01 ES2015d C FEE059 2 402.896 405.835 403.14 405.63 Of Play Doh yeah . 405.63 ES2015d B FEE058 1 418.892 440.896 418.92 440.8 Um and we're thinking to carry-on with the fruit and vegetable theme , the colour um combination just could just be named after different fruit , like banana could be black and yellow , watermelon red and green , or vanilla might be the most popular if it just uh blends in more settled cream instead of the others are all a bit garish . 422.5 428.16 430.63 432.26 440.8 ES2015d A FEE057 0 428.624 430.112 428.74 429.83 Oh right . 429.83 ES2015d C FEE059 2 435.256 437.956 435.54 437.956 'Cause it'd be quite subtle and - ES2015d A FEE057 0 438.435 439.915 438.58 439.915 Yeah . It looks more 439.13 ES2015d A FEE057 0 440.911 443.426 441.2 443.17 Think like vanilla and banana would . 443.17 ES2015d B FEE058 1 443.254 448.852 443.43 448.58 Banana's more representative of our colour scheme , like the company the yellow and black . 446.11 448.58 ES2015d C FEE059 2 448.089 449.383 448.29 449.3 Yeah . 449.3 ES2015d A FEE057 0 448.568 449.9 448.75 449.69 Okay yeah . 449.69 ES2015d B FEE058 1 449.504 458.552 449.54 458.4 So that for corporate identity that would probably be the most strength . I mean watermelon , you know , m probably appealing to the yeah , seasonal . 453.29 454.46 454.97 457.82 458.4 ES2015d A FEE057 0 455.707 457.742 456.03 457.52 Kinda Christmas , you know . 456.87 457.52 ES2015d C FEE059 2 457.188 459.63 457.34 459.63 Yeah , yeah , yeah . 458.55 458.92 459.29 ES2015d B FEE058 1 459.472 463.696 459.62 463.696 Apple green , brown , more kinda trendy , you know , khaki 460.28 460.53 461.81 462.32 ES2015d A FEE057 0 462.218 463.143 462.4 462.78 Yeah . 462.78 ES2015d C FEE059 2 464.264 478.284 464.56 478.19 The pomegranate's kinda girly and funky kind of , and then the vanilla's more for the more sophisticated customer who just wants something that fits in with all decor . 468.89 478.19 ES2015d A FEE057 0 468.898 470.119 469.05 469.92 Cool . 469.92 ES2015d B FEE058 1 473.582 474.506 473.87 474.41 Yeah . 474.41 ES2015d B FEE058 1 478.82 495.282 479.02 494.99 Okay . Um yeah we thought of the components it was definitely um a focus of ergonomics and just a single ha handheld device , I mean you don't need to use both hands , one hand to hold this and type in with the other , you can just use your thumb . 480.19 489.75 491.37 493.53 494.99 ES2015d C FEE059 2 495.136 495.712 495.16 495.62 Yeah . 495.62 ES2015d B FEE058 1 496.103 502.368 496.2 502.33 Um , as we said the rubber's probably used for comfort and anti-R_S_I_ and that's about it . 497.43 502.33 ES2015d A FEE057 0 502.528 506.202 502.55 506.02 Alright , thank you very much . Good work everyone . 503.04 504.47 506.02 ES2015d D FEE060 3 504.495 508.112 504.495 508.112 Bravo - ES2015d A FEE057 0 508.16 521.68 508.2 521.53 Alright . And so now that we've we have a prototype , uh we need to go over the finances and seeing if this prototype matches uh what our budget can handle . So , I have 509.8 512.99 519.65 520.42 ES2015d B FEE058 1 518.668 519.519 518.93 519.43 Mm-hmm . 519.43 ES2015d A FEE057 0 522.736 524.112 522.76 524.112 something I'm going to - ES2015d D FEE060 3 525.765 526.801 525.98 526.801 You want the - ES2015d A FEE057 0 526.023 528.65 526.29 528.36 Oh wait a minute . Do you need to do a presentation first ? 526.64 528.36 ES2015d D FEE060 3 529.029 532.1 529.029 531.77 I don't know what order it goes in . I have one . 530.98 531.77 ES2015d A FEE057 0 530.462 532.793 530.68 532.58 Yeah . I'm gonna check that out for a second . 530.97 532.58 ES2015d B FEE058 1 532.286 533.099 532.43 533.099 Mm go - ES2015d A FEE057 0 534.107 535.217 534.23 534.94 What time is it anyw - ES2015d A FEE057 0 536.096 540.581 536.13 540.42 Oh yeah sorry you're right . Evaluation criteria is next in line . Yeah . 537.21 539.87 540.42 ES2015d D FEE060 3 536.206 539.276 536.9 538.99 Evaluation cri Okay . That's me . 538.26 538.99 ES2015d D FEE060 3 545.675 546.341 545.82 546.19 Hello . 546.19 ES2015d D FEE060 3 547.895 550.41 548.43 550.11 Oh there we go . 550.11 ES2015d D FEE060 3 568.403 572.62 568.82 572.02 Okay . Come on my computer . Come on . 570.35 571.67 572.02 ES2015d D FEE060 3 575.216 579.564 575.216 579.4 Sorry my computer's giving me technical difficulties . Should I press it again ? 578.56 579.4 ES2015d A FEE057 0 578.057 579.981 578.21 579.94 Just press um function eight again . 579.94 ES2015d D FEE060 3 580.191 581.519 580.27 581.23 Last time I did that it sh - ES2015d D FEE060 3 584.321 585.968 584.61 585.92 Okay . You're right . 584.96 585.92 ES2015d A FEE057 0 586.256 587.797 586.33 587.52 And then again I think . 587.52 ES2015d A FEE057 0 588.8 589.683 588.85 589.5 One more time . 589.5 ES2015d D FEE060 3 589.241 590.98 589.47 590.9 Oh . Still not there . 589.89 590.9 ES2015d A FEE057 0 590.386 591.163 590.62 590.92 Yeah . 590.92 ES2015d A FEE057 0 595.935 596.786 596.15 596.52 Yeah . 596.52 ES2015d D FEE060 3 601.748 612.547 602.06 612.49 Okay now I think for this one I could Would you guys prefer use the whiteboard or mayb maybe I'll just do it on right on the screen where you can see it . Um , we're gonna be doing an evaluation report together based on the protoptype that we've just seen . 608.78 608.95 612.49 ES2015d D FEE060 3 613.03 628.767 613.05 628.68 Um and looking looking back at my notes from our both our conceptual and our functional meetings , um I made a list of what our original requirements and goals were , um , back to our kick-off meeting this morning . Um , and we'll evaluate as to whether we've s done what we set out to do . 618.59 621.89 622.38 624.65 625.23 628.68 ES2015d D FEE060 3 629.323 637.111 629.4 636.84 Um and we're gonna do it on a one to seven scale where one is true and seven is false . So basically the lower p the lower the points the better . 634.63 636.84 ES2015d D FEE060 3 639.5 649.672 639.5 649.53 Okay so question number one . Does the remote whoops . Sorry . Oh I'm not gonna be able um , I'll do it on the whiteboard . I can't change it so I'm g I'm gonna ask you to push it down once . 643.06 644.1 645.34 646.11 646.91 649.53 ES2015d A FEE057 0 650.49 651.785 650.81 651.55 Okay . 651.55 ES2015d D FEE060 3 651.103 653.001 651.14 653.001 I'll write down our scores up on the - ES2015d A FEE057 0 656.318 656.876 656.44 656.74 Ooh . 656.74 ES2015d D FEE060 3 657.064 660.955 657.21 660.85 Okay so number one . Do we have a fancy look-and-feel ? 658.58 660.85 ES2015d C FEE059 2 663.14 664.419 663.22 663.73 Mm . 663.73 ES2015d B FEE058 1 663.347 669.472 663.52 669.472 Feel I think . We've been quite successful with the rubber coating and 665.22 ES2015d A FEE057 0 666.544 667.469 666.79 667.18 Yeah . 667.18 ES2015d A FEE057 0 669.84 672.048 670.0 672.01 The look is a little bit more playful . 672.01 ES2015d C FEE059 2 669.993 670.532 670.08 670.532 Well - ES2015d C FEE059 2 672.448 673.584 672.59 673.42 Yeah . 673.42 ES2015d B FEE058 1 672.787 674.119 673.04 673.93 Yeah . 673.93 ES2015d D FEE060 3 673.306 678.608 673.39 678.54 Yeah I guess that depends on your definition of fancy , but it's definitely different . It's not your traditional yeah . 675.08 676.42 678.54 ES2015d A FEE057 0 676.43 678.391 676.66 678.34 Oh definitely different yeah . 678.34 ES2015d B FEE058 1 680.322 701.168 680.44 701.168 I think the colour has a lot to do with it . I mean th the colours we were given for making the prototype aren't the colours that I think we would've necessarily chosen . It's not the kind of ooh uh at all sleek red , black and yellow , and orange . Um 682.45 691.46 696.36 697.22 700.45 ES2015d D FEE060 3 682.848 683.952 682.92 683.57 Mm-hmm . 683.57 ES2015d C FEE059 2 690.6 691.673 690.79 691.54 Yeah . 691.54 ES2015d A FEE057 0 694.149 696.332 694.32 696.06 Oh you were only given red and black ? 696.06 ES2015d A FEE057 0 697.603 698.573 697.79 698.42 Oh okay . 698.42 ES2015d C FEE059 2 697.728 708.944 698.05 708.91 Yeah so not very sleek and we don't wanna go for black because most remote controls are black or grey . So we want it to be stand out that way , anyway . 705.67 708.41 708.91 ES2015d D FEE060 3 704.237 705.051 704.48 704.76 Yeah . 704.76 ES2015d A FEE057 0 706.04 707.335 706.32 706.77 Yeah . 706.77 ES2015d B FEE058 1 709.372 720.201 709.5 720.201 But if you can imagine that in like a s just a maybe uh a kind of pale metallic-y finish or something - ES2015d A FEE057 0 709.787 710.437 709.84 710.35 Okay . 710.35 ES2015d C FEE059 2 718.177 721.502 718.62 721.37 Yeah . A metallic-y finish we were thinking . 719.46 721.37 ES2015d D FEE060 3 719.962 720.739 720.2 720.46 Mm-hmm . 720.46 ES2015d B FEE058 1 720.619 729.784 720.619 729.784 Well I know know it's for rubber . I mean diff if you can visualise this in nice colours I think it would look quite fancy . 722.48 729.36 ES2015d A FEE057 0 721.281 722.316 721.59 722.14 Yeah . 722.14 ES2015d C FEE059 2 722.219 724.817 722.24 724.817 Polished . Okay 723.55 ES2015d C FEE059 2 727.344 728.38 727.43 728.02 Yeah . 728.02 ES2015d D FEE060 3 727.908 738.413 727.98 738.19 Yeah . I kinda I like the potato look . It's very different . It's what ? Oh sorry the mango the mango look . Yeah it is , fruit or vegetable depends on your mood . 728.67 730.58 731.89 732.86 736.09 736.8 738.19 ES2015d A FEE057 0 728.225 729.083 728.46 728.9 Yeah . 728.9 ES2015d B FEE058 1 730.218 733.118 730.218 733.04 Oh well , potato , mango , fruit and veg . 731.48 731.84 732.23 733.04 ES2015d C FEE059 2 730.224 740.389 730.224 739.67 We we were we were thinking about yeah . 739.67 ES2015d A FEE057 0 730.427 735.054 730.54 735.054 It's mango . It's mango . 732.58 734.31 ES2015d B FEE058 1 733.969 737.444 733.969 737.25 Potato's fine . Potato's fine . 736.56 737.25 ES2015d B FEE058 1 738.311 741.996 738.59 741.45 Yeah . Totally . It's really adaptable . 739.42 740.18 741.45 ES2015d D FEE060 3 740.048 742.486 740.29 742.36 So I myself would say a one or a two . 742.36 ES2015d A FEE057 0 742.601 745.338 742.86 745.16 Yeah . I would say two . Personally . 743.46 744.38 745.16 ES2015d C FEE059 2 744.34 746.529 744.51 746.42 I w I'd say two I think . 746.42 ES2015d D FEE060 3 744.298 745.149 744.65 745.01 It's a two ? 745.01 ES2015d D FEE060 3 746.576 747.68 746.6 747.63 Okay , and p 747.34 ES2015d B FEE058 1 746.583 747.507 746.67 747.26 For the - ES2015d C FEE059 2 747.546 749.129 747.66 748.87 Fanciness . 748.87 ES2015d B FEE058 1 748.136 749.283 748.21 749.283 fancy - ES2015d A FEE057 0 748.371 749.629 748.59 749.3 Yeah . 749.3 ES2015d D FEE060 3 748.552 751.068 748.76 751.068 One being true . So 750.29 ES2015d B FEE058 1 751.576 754.656 751.83 754.656 I uh two , three . 753.31 754.57 ES2015d D FEE060 3 752.687 767.648 753.03 767.6 Two . Okay , actu that's pro that's gonna get confusing , like that . Okay so question number two was is it techn technologically innovative ? So I know we have the kinetic energy which is very innovative . 753.4 754.75 757.35 758.49 764.59 767.6 ES2015d C FEE059 2 753.472 754.381 753.57 754.27 Yeah . 754.27 ES2015d A FEE057 0 767.29 768.474 767.61 768.44 Yeah . 768.44 ES2015d B FEE058 1 767.856 769.977 768.06 769.76 Yeah and the use of the rubber . 769.76 ES2015d D FEE060 3 769.925 773.255 770.11 773.11 Use of the rubber , the use of the L_E_D_ . 771.03 773.11 ES2015d C FEE059 2 770.44 771.487 770.71 771.36 Yeah . 771.36 ES2015d B FEE058 1 770.841 772.659 770.86 772.39 For the anti-R_S_I_ . 772.39 ES2015d A FEE057 0 772.309 773.03 772.4 772.92 Yeah . 772.92 ES2015d B FEE058 1 773.67 791.548 773.91 791.06 The L_E_D_ use isn't particularly innovative and we don't have any scroll buttons , it's all pushbuttons , there's no L_C_D_ control , so if we're thinking about the rest of the market , it's sort of probably halfway . In some aspects it is , like we said . 779.94 780.99 782.58 786.03 787.78 790.44 791.06 ES2015d D FEE060 3 775.659 776.473 775.88 776.473 Isn't - ES2015d C FEE059 2 777.191 778.201 777.35 777.9 Mm . 777.9 ES2015d D FEE060 3 783.659 784.584 783.79 784.16 Mm-hmm . 784.16 ES2015d A FEE057 0 784.841 785.84 785.08 785.59 Yeah . 785.59 ES2015d A FEE057 0 789.835 792.054 790.08 791.91 Yeah . I'd say maybe three . 790.37 791.91 ES2015d C FEE059 2 791.268 793.659 791.43 793.56 I'll go for three as well . 793.56 ES2015d D FEE060 3 791.456 804.107 791.87 803.85 Yeah . And I think I mean it it's tough to say because we were we didn't want it to be any more innovative than this , because then that would've defeated the purpose . So I mean I we'll put three , but I think we actually reached our goal . 793.08 797.48 800.26 802.26 803.85 ES2015d B FEE058 1 797.762 800.124 797.95 799.88 Yeah . Though it was our specification . 798.22 799.88 ES2015d C FEE059 2 797.767 801.033 797.95 800.74 No . Wouldn't be simple , yeah . 799.28 800.33 800.74 ES2015d A FEE057 0 797.778 799.515 798.0 799.11 Yeah we want it simple . 799.11 ES2015d C FEE059 2 803.861 805.174 804.01 804.7 Yeah . 804.7 ES2015d A FEE057 0 803.929 805.297 804.22 804.72 Yeah . 804.72 ES2015d D FEE060 3 804.736 809.668 804.736 809.61 We didn't want it any more than that . Okay question number three . Uh , will it be easy to use ? 806.5 808.08 808.48 809.61 ES2015d A FEE057 0 809.859 812.004 810.16 811.83 I think so . Yeah . 811.19 811.83 ES2015d B FEE058 1 810.422 812.308 810.72 811.87 Yeah . Yeah . 811.5 811.87 ES2015d C FEE059 2 810.629 817.629 810.93 817.43 Yeah very . I think one for that . Yeah . No . 812.4 815.43 816.48 817.43 ES2015d D FEE060 3 811.061 812.96 811.08 812.68 Yeah . Yeah . S 812.07 812.47 ES2015d D FEE060 3 813.952 823.381 813.97 823.27 Yeah I think it's you can't really get confused with that . I mean , there'll be s we have to work out the uh number the plus system . But once that's figured out , it should be fine . 816.75 817.06 820.85 822.38 823.27 ES2015d A FEE057 0 814.409 815.814 814.56 815.72 Yeah . One . 815.0 815.72 ES2015d B FEE058 1 814.766 815.776 814.91 815.35 Yeah . 815.35 ES2015d A FEE057 0 816.838 817.395 816.98 817.1 Th - ES2015d A FEE057 0 819.365 821.4 819.61 821.24 The plus number thing . 821.24 ES2015d C FEE059 2 820.323 822.983 820.55 822.89 Yeah that's the only thing yeah . 822.89 ES2015d B FEE058 1 822.048 824.444 822.07 824.444 Yeah and perhaps the turning on but - ES2015d D FEE060 3 824.378 830.192 824.53 830.15 Number four . Is this a good-looking remote ? Remember that seventy five percent of users find most remote controls ugly . 825.11 826.53 830.15 ES2015d B FEE058 1 825.824 827.272 825.93 826.84 Mm . 826.84 ES2015d C FEE059 2 830.308 832.195 830.308 832.195 It's definitely - ES2015d B FEE058 1 830.909 833.113 831.06 832.89 Again I think the colour comes into this . 832.89 ES2015d A FEE057 0 832.682 835.161 832.93 834.9 Yeah colour will definitely be a factor . 834.9 ES2015d D FEE060 3 834.589 835.958 834.94 835.77 Mm-hmm . 835.77 ES2015d A FEE057 0 835.907 838.423 836.17 838.37 I think that the logo could be smaller . 838.37 ES2015d B FEE058 1 838.451 839.327 838.67 839.14 Okay . 839.14 ES2015d C FEE059 2 838.81 839.865 839.02 839.6 Yeah . 839.6 ES2015d A FEE057 0 839.331 845.044 839.47 844.31 And maybe not such a prominent way . Maybe like at the bottom , kind of . 842.53 843.99 844.31 ES2015d C FEE059 2 841.958 843.372 842.17 843.372 But the - ES2015d C FEE059 2 844.214 848.276 844.5 848.12 Remember the management said that it it had to be prominent . 848.12 ES2015d B FEE058 1 844.343 845.436 844.59 845.436 Not in - ES2015d D FEE060 3 848.256 849.255 848.6 848.99 Whoops . 848.99 ES2015d A FEE057 0 848.484 850.667 848.85 850.56 Oh it just had to be on there I guess . 850.56 ES2015d D FEE060 3 849.977 859.328 850.02 859.29 Should just not touch it . This time it's the three I killed . I was just wondering if it should be like flatter . 853.5 857.41 859.29 ES2015d C FEE059 2 850.144 857.897 850.16 857.897 Yeah . 857.36 ES2015d B FEE058 1 851.321 857.251 851.34 857.251 Don't worry . 857.12 ES2015d D FEE060 3 860.59 861.277 860.67 861.277 Or - ES2015d B FEE058 1 861.527 863.272 861.7 863.07 I suppose I've got quite big hands . 863.07 ES2015d A FEE057 0 862.373 866.96 862.58 866.81 I like the appeal of it being like a big glob in your hand . 866.81 ES2015d D FEE060 3 862.683 863.681 863.08 863.681 Well - ES2015d C FEE059 2 865.999 874.282 866.2 874.23 Yeah . But you know what I've just thought of there now . What where's it gonna sit in your living room ? Is it not gonna fall off the arm of the sofa ? 867.12 869.07 871.23 874.23 ES2015d A FEE057 0 872.508 876.799 872.83 876.68 Maybe if the bottom was just sort of flat , and then the rest is like 875.16 ES2015d D FEE060 3 874.134 877.796 874.69 877.55 Yeah the bottom could be like ch chopped a bit . 877.55 ES2015d C FEE059 2 875.827 881.04 876.01 880.86 Yeah . But then it wouldn't sit as comfortably in your hand . 877.47 880.86 ES2015d A FEE057 0 877.579 878.649 877.83 878.29 round . 878.29 ES2015d D FEE060 3 879.202 881.384 879.88 881.18 Oh . That's true . 880.18 881.18 ES2015d A FEE057 0 880.573 885.279 880.87 884.84 It would still be comfortable I think . We c we could handle it I think . 882.86 884.84 ES2015d C FEE059 2 882.368 885.83 882.368 885.74 Yeah . 885.74 ES2015d B FEE058 1 882.384 885.809 882.54 885.73 Thing is like that , it's not going anywhere particularly . 883.24 885.73 ES2015d D FEE060 3 882.457 890.077 882.9 889.84 Maybe , it could it could be on the bottom , so you wouldn't loo like if it's flat here , so it sits up . Like that . 883.15 885.61 887.58 889.06 889.84 ES2015d B FEE058 1 888.604 889.266 888.87 889.09 Yeah . 889.09 ES2015d C FEE059 2 889.467 891.722 889.69 891.722 Oh that would be nice . 891.39 ES2015d A FEE057 0 890.799 893.351 891.03 893.19 Ah it'd fall over all the time though . It'd be annoying . 892.46 893.19 ES2015d B FEE058 1 892.509 895.804 892.75 895.72 Uh yeah , it's less um , what's th ha . 893.04 894.73 895.72 ES2015d C FEE059 2 893.002 894.652 893.29 894.4 Yeah . 894.4 ES2015d D FEE060 3 893.16 893.75 893.32 893.4 I g - ES2015d D FEE060 3 894.748 905.44 894.8 905.44 If it's weighted maybe . Details , details . Okay . So , is this a good-looking remote ? Would we wanna show it off to our friends ? 897.9 898.3 899.88 900.44 900.66 903.35 905.22 ES2015d B FEE058 1 897.276 900.321 897.46 899.75 H it's got higher centre of gravity like that . 899.75 ES2015d A FEE057 0 897.494 901.304 897.494 900.47 'Kay we're done designing . Come on . 900.13 900.47 ES2015d C FEE059 2 903.008 909.857 904.07 909.81 Three . You would though , 'cause it's bit it's more interesting than other remotes . 905.65 906.41 909.81 ES2015d D FEE060 3 908.478 909.44 908.67 909.41 Yeah . 909.41 ES2015d A FEE057 0 909.072 915.139 909.33 914.93 I think , it was another colour and it was like I think it'd look okay . I think maybe a two . 909.92 913.87 914.93 ES2015d D FEE060 3 914.212 914.878 914.42 914.77 Yeah ? 914.77 ES2015d D FEE060 3 916.062 918.406 916.34 918.406 I mean I gue yeah , it's personal taste , but 916.93 917.75 ES2015d B FEE058 1 916.367 924.789 916.78 924.73 I would definitely go for that rather than like your average plain old remote like that , but definitely in another colour , I'm not happy with those colours . 921.92 923.22 924.73 ES2015d D FEE060 3 919.588 920.353 919.68 919.99 Yeah . 919.99 ES2015d C FEE059 2 919.52 920.934 919.92 920.71 Yeah . 920.71 ES2015d D FEE060 3 924.752 928.817 925.1 928.57 Okay , so should we say two for that ? Yeah ? 925.39 928.36 928.57 ES2015d A FEE057 0 927.526 928.525 927.74 928.4 Sure . 928.4 ES2015d B FEE058 1 928.169 929.044 928.3 928.89 Yeah . 928.89 ES2015d C FEE059 2 928.987 929.896 929.09 929.7 Yeah . 929.7 ES2015d D FEE060 3 929.456 940.902 929.52 940.81 Okay . Uh , question number five . What's um will people be willing to spend twenty five Euros on this product ? Remember that eighty percent of users were willing to spend more money when a remote control looked fancy . 930.94 931.33 932.83 936.88 940.81 ES2015d C FEE059 2 941.231 953.487 941.52 953.43 I think we have to market it in the right way , that um to say that it is simplistic . So people don't just see it and think , uh , this is so simplistic , I don't want to spend twenty five Euros . We have to market it . 943.63 945.99 948.2 948.69 950.21 952.12 953.43 ES2015d D FEE060 3 943.606 944.268 943.77 944.2 Mm-hmm . 944.2 ES2015d B FEE058 1 943.994 944.869 944.14 944.76 Yeah . 944.76 ES2015d A FEE057 0 950.348 951.384 950.64 951.12 Yeah . 951.12 ES2015d D FEE060 3 952.423 954.813 952.8 954.65 Yeah it the marketing will have a lot to do with it . 954.65 ES2015d B FEE058 1 952.846 961.667 953.15 961.667 Yeah . And the kinetic energy , shaker-style-y , whoo , ooh no . 954.15 957.65 958.83 959.43 961.42 ES2015d C FEE059 2 955.04 966.784 955.06 966.784 And the kinetic energy part . Yeah . Don't shake 956.77 962.72 ES2015d A FEE057 0 957.504 958.614 957.77 958.37 Yeah . 958.37 ES2015d D FEE060 3 959.617 967.625 959.617 967.625 Shake it and the buttons fall off . 967.54 ES2015d A FEE057 0 959.797 965.827 959.797 965.827 Durable . 965.74 ES2015d B FEE058 1 962.47 968.064 962.47 967.75 But you know , those'll be firmly on . 966.34 967.75 ES2015d C FEE059 2 967.824 973.334 967.84 973.0 Oh no the plus . You're use the zero . Make a new one . 969.91 972.26 973.0 ES2015d D FEE060 3 969.794 977.134 969.91 976.95 No , I guess , I don't know much about the remote control industry , how much your average sells for , but I know I am , aren't I ? 970.22 970.51 972.42 975.38 976.69 976.95 ES2015d A FEE057 0 974.346 978.048 974.73 978.048 But you're our Marketing Expert . 977.54 ES2015d C FEE059 2 976.599 983.736 976.72 983.45 I think they're about ten po ten pound , aren't they ? About ten pounds . Fifteen ? 980.48 981.45 982.99 983.45 ES2015d D FEE060 3 982.461 987.58 982.78 987.37 But you don't have to buy batteries . So in the long term this can actually save you money . So we'll market it that way too . 984.13 986.11 987.37 ES2015d C FEE059 2 985.217 986.901 985.39 985.93 Yeah . 985.93 ES2015d B FEE058 1 985.336 986.864 985.41 986.66 Mm , yeah , that's true . 985.71 986.11 986.66 ES2015d A FEE057 0 985.481 989.624 985.91 989.18 Oh . Exactly . Exactly . 986.91 988.6 989.18 ES2015d B FEE058 1 988.083 990.608 988.19 990.45 Yeah . Good point . 989.34 990.45 ES2015d D FEE060 3 988.931 994.252 989.09 994.252 So yeah I think with a good marketing scheme um and the personalisation options , it'll 993.5 ES2015d A FEE057 0 993.767 995.912 993.94 995.59 Yeah . I would give it a two still though . 994.29 995.59 ES2015d B FEE058 1 994.851 996.624 995.07 996.49 Yeah . Yeah . 995.47 996.49 ES2015d D FEE060 3 995.473 999.653 995.77 999.653 Yeah . Okay number six . Can someone read it out ? Or 996.56 998.01 999.03 ES2015d C FEE059 2 995.744 996.302 995.89 996.22 Mm . 996.22 ES2015d B FEE058 1 998.896 1004.043 998.896 1003.95 Does this prototype match the operating behaviour of the average user . 1003.95 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1004.252 1005.103 1004.45 1004.96 Mm . 1004.96 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1004.425 1005.569 1004.64 1005.26 Yeah . 1005.26 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1004.536 1009.412 1004.99 1009.412 Um yeah . So that was mainly that the statistics we said 1005.83 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1006.4 1007.186 1006.54 1007.06 Yeah . 1007.06 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1006.748 1009.576 1006.97 1009.38 I think it does very well . 1009.38 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1007.174 1008.802 1007.64 1008.39 Oh yeah . 1008.39 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1008.082 1023.43 1008.2 1023.19 Because yeah , because the most accessible buttons are the volume and the and the channel-changing . And it's just you won't have to think about it . You don't have to look down to find them . They're clearly there , easy to use . Simple . 1009.86 1014.9 1017.14 1019.24 1021.37 1022.8 1023.19 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1013.815 1015.625 1013.86 1015.43 The zap yeah . 1015.43 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1014.594 1015.445 1014.82 1015.38 Mm-hmm . 1015.38 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1014.771 1015.451 1014.94 1015.32 Yeah . 1015.32 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1021.934 1023.081 1022.21 1022.68 Yeah . 1022.68 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1022.4 1046.213 1022.55 1046.12 Yeah I guess the I think the key word there is average , 'cause there were some people that used the uh video input and sound and stuff . But they're not you and I really . So . Okay so one ? Okay . Number seven . C Heather could you push it down ? Will this remote control be easy to find when lost ? Remember that fifty percent of users lose their remote regularly . Now is there the is the alarm system still was it implemented ? 1024.63 1028.26 1030.64 1031.4 1033.14 1034.19 1035.29 1037.25 1039.8 1042.15 1046.12 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1022.866 1023.513 1022.95 1023.513 Uh - ES2015d B FEE058 1 1027.767 1030.091 1027.92 1029.9 Yeah . Mm . 1029.51 1029.9 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1030.722 1031.253 1030.74 1031.12 Yeah . 1031.12 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1032.271 1033.45 1032.42 1033.2 Yeah . 1033.2 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1032.288 1033.116 1032.43 1033.02 Yeah . 1033.02 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1041.889 1043.96 1042.34 1043.68 We have the alarm system . 1043.68 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1045.254 1053.984 1045.45 1053.984 Yeah the bu when you press the alarm system , the lights behind the and it'll vibra 1048.33 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1046.744 1047.686 1047.19 1047.686 It - ES2015d B FEE058 1 1049.232 1061.024 1049.94 1060.99 Yeah l lights on and , or flash as well . But I mean it's not obviously obvious from the outside that that's gonna happen 'cause you can't s particularly see an alarm . 1051.27 1051.84 1060.99 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1058.08 1060.09 1058.1 1059.94 It'll be again in the marketing . 1059.94 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1059.809 1062.362 1060.06 1062.03 I thought the light from the inside was gonna light up . 1062.03 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1061.36 1063.322 1061.39 1063.12 Yeah . The light it will . 1061.92 1063.12 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1063.768 1065.95 1063.99 1065.71 Or or was it gonna make a noise ? 1065.71 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1063.962 1065.106 1064.16 1065.106 But - ES2015d B FEE058 1 1063.909 1067.632 1064.33 1067.632 Yeah . But when the alarm's not yeah . If you 1064.6 1066.54 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1066.016 1067.935 1066.3 1067.935 But both - ES2015d A FEE057 0 1067.096 1069.02 1067.29 1068.91 You press the button it makes a noise right ? 1068.91 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1068.48 1076.281 1068.48 1076.281 It turns into a duck and starts quacking . Here I am . Um 1072.78 1075.27 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1068.791 1069.801 1068.98 1069.65 Yeah . 1069.65 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1069.517 1070.46 1069.61 1070.23 Yeah . 1070.23 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1071.283 1073.202 1071.42 1073.202 You could s Yeah . 1072.89 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1072.045 1077.01 1072.045 1077.01 Oh , that would be brilliant . I'd be tempted to 1073.62 1074.54 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1072.017 1074.828 1072.28 1074.54 Yeah . Awesome . Awesome . 1073.08 1073.83 1074.54 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1075.187 1089.251 1075.22 1089.11 Well the thing is , if it was had an alarm system , I mean , when it when it lights up as we I mean it could light up when the alarm went . But if it was hidden underneath the cushion or something , there wouldn't be any point . So you can't see the alarm , but it would light up . 1075.74 1078.14 1078.68 1081.89 1084.27 1085.62 1088.3 1089.11 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1081.234 1082.413 1081.44 1081.91 Yeah . 1081.91 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1088.623 1090.429 1088.86 1090.23 It would have to be in the market - ES2015d A FEE057 0 1089.419 1091.491 1089.77 1091.3 I though w it was gonna make a noise . 1091.3 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1089.709 1090.782 1090.08 1090.75 Okay . 1090.75 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1091.792 1097.488 1091.86 1097.42 Yeah . Alarm , but you can't see an alarm inside uh the alarm system itself . 1092.34 1092.73 1097.42 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1091.822 1094.097 1091.94 1093.87 Yeah but you still couldn't see it . 1093.87 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1095.088 1098.017 1095.2 1097.91 It would just be a little speaker on the back or something . 1097.91 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1097.557 1098.63 1097.85 1098.38 Okay . 1098.38 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1098.512 1102.93 1098.64 1102.93 We oh you're just explaining why it's not on the prototype . But yeah , it'll be there . So we can we could say that 1100.46 1100.7 1101.18 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1100.288 1103.712 1100.31 1103.68 Yeah . Yeah . It w yeah . Sorry . 1100.87 1101.5 1103.07 1103.68 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1101.108 1103.92 1101.46 1103.32 Oh okay . Whoo . Okay . 1102.5 1102.58 1103.32 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1103.632 1109.712 1103.65 1109.712 We can give it a one , because compared to every other remote ever m ever made , this one will be easier to find . Okay . Um 1104.4 1106.64 1108.24 1109.05 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1107.656 1109.657 1107.84 1109.46 Yeah , totally . 1109.08 1109.46 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1108.176 1112.308 1108.2 1112.06 Yeah . Sorry Heather . That wasn't very clear . 1109.78 1110.52 1112.06 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1110.663 1112.372 1110.78 1111.94 No problem , mm . 1111.85 1111.94 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1111.194 1123.696 1111.52 1123.51 Question number eight . Will it be easy to learn how to use this remote when brand new ? Remember that thirty four percent of users usually found it difficult . So it has to be yeah , it's eas they'll pick it up and they'll know what to do . The plus thing needs to be worked on . 1113.38 1115.47 1118.16 1119.67 1122.14 1123.51 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1118.061 1119.393 1118.2 1118.99 Totally . 1118.99 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1119.952 1127.595 1120.35 1127.4 So the plu the plus w once that's written down on the page that'll be really simple , won't it ? 1126.62 1127.4 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1125.2 1126.199 1125.58 1125.97 Yeah . 1125.97 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1126.528 1136.247 1126.55 1136.0 Yeah I think just because it's we've decided to reduce it down to the basic buttons , I think that in itself makes it so much easier to use . 1132.69 1136.0 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1126.805 1127.471 1127.05 1127.35 Yeah . 1127.35 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1129.653 1130.541 1129.8 1130.541 Well - ES2015d C FEE059 2 1132.645 1133.811 1132.8 1133.73 Yeah . 1133.73 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1132.832 1133.435 1132.95 1133.435 Do - ES2015d D FEE060 3 1134.594 1140.597 1134.63 1140.33 Does it make more sense for the middle one to be an just an enter button ? So then you would have to push two buttons every time at least . 1137.83 1140.33 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1140.346 1144.785 1140.55 1144.61 Yeah , so it's just like channel six , six , enter . 1140.86 1143.04 1144.1 1144.61 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1142.56 1148.654 1142.9 1148.654 That kind of annoys me though , when it's zero six when you have to press I don't know why . 1144.98 1148.42 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1144.576 1146.368 1145.09 1146.18 Mm . 1146.18 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1147.227 1149.259 1147.52 1149.09 Yeah but you don't have to press zeros . 1149.09 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1148.297 1153.744 1148.62 1153.51 You could just press six enter , or one two enter . Yeah . 1150.65 1152.89 1153.51 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1149.9 1151.819 1150.09 1151.44 Oh okay . Right . 1151.13 1151.44 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1150.592 1153.309 1150.63 1153.2 And or sixty six enter , y 1153.17 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1150.586 1152.516 1150.73 1152.42 And then like twelve , enter . 1151.92 1152.42 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1152.432 1153.906 1152.45 1153.82 Alright , aye . 1153.13 1153.82 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1153.404 1154.773 1153.67 1154.53 Yeah . 1154.53 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1153.692 1158.029 1153.79 1158.029 Yeah I think that's probably more straightforward . Yeah . Good 1155.93 1156.32 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1157.139 1158.283 1157.33 1158.18 Yeah . 1158.18 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1158.288 1164.667 1158.31 1164.45 Um , okay so we can we'll say yes it's uh one ? Okay . 1159.92 1164.03 1164.45 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1161.179 1163.873 1161.36 1163.6 I'd say w yeah one . Yeah . 1163.2 1163.6 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1163.17 1164.428 1163.47 1163.98 Yeah . 1163.98 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1164.562 1166.448 1164.97 1166.0 Ooh . Mm . 1165.54 1166.0 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1167.056 1176.448 1167.11 1176.32 Question number nine . Uh , will it minimise the effects of R_S_I_ , which was repeated strain injury ? Um , which affected over a quarter of users . 1168.28 1168.71 1170.37 1173.93 1174.4 1176.32 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1167.733 1168.17 1167.75 1168.03 Oh . 1168.03 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1172.458 1173.254 1172.56 1173.12 Yeah . 1173.12 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1172.475 1173.653 1172.63 1173.35 Injury . 1173.35 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1177.091 1179.046 1177.091 1178.76 Hmm . 1178.76 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1177.75 1178.32 1177.89 1178.03 S - ES2015d A FEE057 0 1178.279 1179.925 1178.45 1179.925 I think so . It's like right in the 1178.87 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1180.432 1185.504 1180.67 1185.38 But if you're zapping yeah . I don't think it will f 1183.65 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1181.205 1183.828 1181.25 1183.828 Your thumb might get a little bit uh - ES2015d B FEE058 1 1182.475 1189.824 1182.55 1189.79 Yeah , that's what I was thinking . We may have to do some more research into other strain injuries that we don't know about . 1182.91 1184.86 1189.79 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1186.548 1190.083 1186.77 1190.01 Yeah , the biology . 1188.04 1190.01 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1187.877 1188.533 1187.99 1188.48 Yeah . 1188.48 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1189.663 1191.3 1189.75 1190.84 But it is soft . 1190.84 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1190.754 1192.034 1190.97 1191.97 Mm-hmm . 1191.97 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1191.186 1192.851 1191.41 1192.851 It's soft , and 1192.11 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1191.96 1195.179 1192.1 1194.87 And that's kind of what the um - ES2015d C FEE059 2 1192.541 1193.719 1192.69 1193.54 Mm . 1193.54 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1194.846 1195.263 1194.91 1195.1 Mm . 1195.1 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1196.192 1197.584 1196.33 1197.584 And people could - ES2015d A FEE057 0 1196.14 1203.502 1196.48 1203.502 the PowerPoint slide thing said would be good for R_S_I_ , so maybe it is but 1200.97 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1199.714 1200.758 1199.97 1200.41 Yeah . 1200.41 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1199.93 1201.31 1200.33 1201.03 Yeah . 1201.03 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1200.073 1200.853 1200.35 1200.67 Mm-hmm . 1200.67 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1201.915 1204.289 1201.95 1204.05 I don't know what other options there are . 1204.05 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1202.475 1205.674 1202.79 1205.54 I think we're getting that's true . 1205.54 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1204.426 1205.24 1204.53 1204.9 Yeah . 1204.9 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1205.361 1215.164 1205.57 1214.78 Could I mean , you could hold it in your left hand and d use your index finger . But there's not really any other options unless it's like a keyboard . So , I think we did as as much as you can with a remote control . 1206.02 1209.52 1211.72 1212.58 1214.78 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1209.484 1210.055 1209.56 1209.81 Mm . 1209.81 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1211.681 1213.061 1211.86 1212.64 Yeah . 1212.64 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1211.988 1212.664 1212.15 1212.54 Yeah . 1212.54 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1214.636 1215.45 1214.89 1215.25 Yeah . 1215.25 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1216.416 1219.27 1216.44 1219.02 So , one or two do you think ? 1217.94 1219.02 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1219.272 1222.725 1219.43 1222.48 I I'd say t two . Yeah . 1221.71 1222.48 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1219.31 1221.882 1219.62 1221.59 I think yeah , I think too . 1220.97 1221.59 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1221.846 1231.927 1221.9 1231.927 Two okay . Okay number ten . Did we somehow incorporate the company colour and logo ? Now is the colour gonna be there even if it's like vanilla ? Is the yellow 1223.88 1225.18 1228.06 1230.91 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1222.161 1222.717 1222.32 1222.56 Yeah . 1222.56 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1226.86 1228.709 1227.31 1228.08 Yes we did . 1228.08 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1227.571 1229.356 1227.96 1229.356 Yeah . 1228.66 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1230.53 1243.531 1230.53 1243.44 N We we can't really do that because for example on the banana theme we can't have it as being yellow . It won't stand out . So n it's not always gonna be the same colour . 1238.64 1240.44 1243.44 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1238.252 1239.288 1238.45 1238.83 Mm-hmm . 1238.83 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1242.654 1245.096 1243.25 1245.096 It sounds like the colour's something that we - ES2015d A FEE057 0 1244.338 1250.034 1244.62 1249.63 Well , yeah the colours are yellow and grey . So it could be grey on the banana one . 1245.03 1247.77 1249.63 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1245.016 1246.161 1245.08 1245.61 Yeah . 1245.61 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1246.763 1248.447 1247.16 1248.34 Gray , yeah . 1247.67 1248.34 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1249.402 1251.423 1249.52 1250.83 Yeah , could be grey . 1249.91 1250.83 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1250.774 1251.773 1250.98 1251.28 Yeah . 1251.28 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1251.754 1255.934 1252.26 1255.934 But I mean the yell yeah d yellow's ugly though , depending on the 1255.04 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1255.376 1257.449 1255.4 1257.32 Yeah that's right , we didn't even rea 1256.34 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1256.56 1261.509 1256.66 1261.3 So I think we'll have to talk to our executive managers , and see if we can get away with just the R_R_ . 1259.06 1261.3 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1258.996 1259.939 1259.15 1259.74 Mm . 1259.74 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1261.072 1262.832 1261.09 1262.8 Yeah . I think this is the 1261.54 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1261.119 1262.433 1261.43 1262.27 Yeah . 1262.27 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1264.272 1270.96 1264.29 1270.38 the factor that we've been least successful in confronting . 1270.38 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1267.317 1268.02 1267.45 1267.81 Okay . 1267.81 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1268.448 1276.17 1268.57 1275.92 Perhaps a metallic or or like that's grey , and it wouldn't be that expensive to have a little bit of metal . No ? 1271.73 1275.73 1275.92 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1269.381 1270.306 1269.57 1269.99 Mm , yeah . 1269.72 1269.99 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1276.195 1278.858 1276.53 1278.6 Yeah . And the buttons in the middle . 1277.32 1278.6 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1277.077 1278.962 1277.25 1278.57 That isn't rubber . 1278.57 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1281.451 1285.632 1281.58 1285.59 Okay . So , do you think that's more of a three then ? Three , four ? 1282.48 1282.87 1284.68 1285.13 1285.59 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1281.072 1282.144 1281.79 1282.144 Yeah . 1282.11 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1286.688 1289.816 1286.71 1289.816 Four I think . Well I don't what do what 1287.79 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1287.406 1288.183 1287.43 1288.06 Four ? 1288.06 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1289.33 1292.252 1289.54 1291.91 Well we have good reasons for it , so we but we can still put a 1290.62 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1289.711 1290.605 1289.93 1290.33 Hum . 1290.33 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1293.51 1294.362 1293.77 1294.15 a four ? 1294.15 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1294.368 1295.304 1294.39 1294.88 Okay . 1294.88 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1294.754 1295.999 1295.01 1295.84 Okay . 1295.84 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1295.632 1305.904 1295.65 1305.904 Okay , and final question . Um , did we stay true to our motto and put the fashion into electronics ? Current trends of fruits and veggies , desire for sponginess . 1296.1 1298.09 1298.97 1302.19 1303.5 1305.64 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1306.066 1307.656 1306.24 1307.52 I would say so . 1307.52 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1307.26 1310.392 1307.31 1309.8 Following that briefing we did . 1309.8 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1308.729 1314.278 1308.92 1314.09 But maybe more like two 'cause there's no like pictures of fruit , it's just sort of naming it by a fruit . 1312.36 1314.09 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1314.048 1315.136 1314.07 1315.01 Yeah . 1315.01 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1314.113 1317.547 1314.41 1317.29 Yeah . Like um the colour scheme names and stuff . 1315.07 1317.29 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1314.306 1315.119 1314.52 1314.92 Yeah . 1314.92 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1314.87 1316.571 1315.0 1316.34 With the with the colours . 1316.34 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1316.72 1317.52 1316.74 1317.24 Yeah . 1317.24 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1317.265 1328.991 1317.47 1328.991 No , uh , are the plates interchangeable ? I think I missed a few they are ? So you can have banana and kiwi and okay . Okay , so that's something that's kind of in the making too , like maybe it'll become more 1317.61 1317.93 1319.16 1320.68 1323.59 1323.87 1327.48 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1319.483 1320.56 1319.52 1320.35 Yeah . 1320.35 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1319.891 1320.833 1319.98 1320.74 Yeah . 1320.74 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1320.188 1320.779 1320.27 1320.66 Yeah . 1320.66 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1322.336 1324.129 1322.37 1324.129 Yeah . 1323.91 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1322.349 1323.931 1322.69 1323.77 Yeah . Yeah . 1323.24 1323.77 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1322.305 1323.674 1322.72 1323.23 Yeah . 1323.23 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1329.572 1333.345 1329.77 1332.97 That's fashionable in itself to have interchangeable plates . 1332.97 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1332.838 1333.726 1333.03 1333.44 Mm-hmm . 1333.44 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1333.408 1334.451 1333.7 1334.3 It is . 1334.3 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1335.104 1342.562 1335.12 1342.562 I think w yeah , I think one . Well that was our brief and we followed the brief . Well we haven't got a big banana but 1336.69 1337.98 1340.57 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1340.613 1349.838 1340.95 1349.57 The thing is , I think if somebody saw that and you said what was that inspired from , I don't know if you'd instantly say mango . 1341.46 1345.66 1349.57 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1343.679 1345.744 1343.74 1345.744 Oh yeah . 1345.39 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1345.476 1346.194 1345.69 1346.194 Be like - ES2015d C FEE059 2 1346.636 1347.612 1346.76 1347.33 No . 1347.33 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1348.512 1351.664 1348.512 1351.664 No . 1351.26 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1349.712 1350.482 1349.86 1350.43 Yeah . 1350.43 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1351.43 1358.938 1351.67 1358.938 Maybe if it was scented . Yeah we have money for that . Um 1356.89 1358.09 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1353.1 1357.895 1353.1 1357.895 Oh that would be class . 1357.8 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1353.946 1357.482 1354.14 1357.13 Oh yeah . There we go . That would be great . 1355.69 1356.34 1357.13 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1359.664 1360.528 1359.68 1360.528 Um - ES2015d A FEE057 0 1360.159 1364.782 1360.159 1364.61 Alright so based on this evaluation , do we average them out sorta thing ? 1363.02 1364.61 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1364.0 1367.591 1364.12 1367.28 Yes we do . So I wh what was I gonna put for that ? A two for fashion ? 1364.74 1366.17 1367.28 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1366.446 1366.965 1366.51 1366.89 Oh . 1366.89 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1368.26 1369.295 1368.45 1369.03 I would say two . 1369.03 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1369.216 1370.473 1369.24 1369.96 Yeah . Two . 1369.63 1369.96 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1369.717 1370.727 1369.84 1370.68 Okay . 1370.68 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1370.352 1380.928 1370.5 1380.88 Okay , so our average there , five , six , eight , ten , eleven , twelve , thirteen , fifteen , nineteen , twenty one , divided by eleven 1370.9 1372.28 1372.83 1374.08 1374.63 1375.05 1375.53 1376.06 1376.59 1377.18 1378.68 1379.39 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1381.706 1382.185 1381.74 1382.185 It's - ES2015d D FEE060 3 1382.048 1383.201 1382.13 1383.201 is - ES2015d A FEE057 0 1382.094 1389.159 1382.19 1388.95 One point nine or something ? I don't know these things . Um , between one and two . 1385.4 1386.52 1387.58 1388.95 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1382.141 1383.219 1382.6 1383.219 It's - ES2015d C FEE059 2 1384.716 1385.928 1384.84 1385.72 Yeah . 1385.72 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1386.272 1387.66 1386.36 1387.36 Between one and two . 1387.36 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1388.198 1391.809 1388.77 1391.51 Between okay . Um . 1390.76 1391.51 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1389.915 1392.575 1390.06 1392.12 So that's pretty fantastic . 1392.12 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1390.017 1393.384 1390.34 1393.2 Close to two . Yeah . 1392.54 1393.2 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1394.746 1398.408 1395.02 1397.82 Yeah , that's very good 'cause the highest we coulda got is one . 1395.21 1397.82 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1399.098 1399.69 1399.2 1399.69 I got - ES2015d A FEE057 0 1399.036 1400.109 1399.27 1399.71 Alright . 1399.71 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1399.851 1401.034 1399.89 1400.7 Does that seem right then ? 1400.7 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1401.504 1404.866 1401.55 1404.55 Yeah , 'cause we've a four to bring down . 1401.81 1404.55 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1405.436 1406.546 1405.74 1406.22 Okay . 1406.22 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1405.939 1406.881 1406.06 1406.52 Mm . 1406.52 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1407.757 1410.114 1407.99 1409.75 It seems like it should be more around two . 1409.75 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1407.256 1408.536 1407.99 1408.41 Uh , aye . 1408.24 1408.41 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1409.712 1410.526 1409.93 1410.26 Yeah . 1410.26 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1409.849 1413.77 1410.06 1413.57 Yeah . Uh , should've added five . 1411.74 1412.25 1413.57 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1419.253 1421.375 1419.4 1421.04 Do we have an online calculator ? 1421.04 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1421.117 1424.002 1421.44 1423.84 I'm attempting to do that right now . 1423.84 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1422.048 1425.837 1422.048 1425.58 This is . 1425.58 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1423.159 1424.136 1423.31 1423.91 Okay . 1423.91 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1424.985 1427.205 1425.26 1426.83 Yeah it is one point nine . Ooh . 1426.48 1426.83 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1426.665 1427.911 1426.84 1427.58 Yay . 1427.58 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1426.593 1429.624 1426.96 1429.55 Oh wow . Well done . Well that's excellent . 1427.5 1428.23 1429.55 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1427.908 1429.313 1428.1 1429.26 Go Heather Pauls . 1429.26 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1431.977 1432.828 1432.14 1432.66 Yeah . 1432.66 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1436.675 1446.995 1436.675 1446.78 Alright , now with that over and done with , our next step is to see if we are under budget . And um my computer's frozen . 1437.56 1440.75 1444.04 1446.78 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1448.8 1451.856 1448.88 1451.81 And now it's not . Okay . So 1450.39 1451.39 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1452.944 1458.656 1453.15 1458.62 um in our shared folder , if everyone could go there right now , um 1455.8 1458.08 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1459.662 1463.99 1459.91 1463.69 Sorry . Are you gonna do that ? Okay . 1461.46 1462.75 1463.69 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1459.894 1467.536 1460.15 1467.41 I'm going to um steal a cable . Um it's it's um 1463.65 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1464.256 1466.983 1464.43 1466.18 Is that the project document ? 1466.18 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1469.881 1472.841 1470.16 1472.51 it's an Excel file . Oh . 1472.22 1472.51 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1473.169 1474.987 1473.51 1474.69 Production costs . 1474.69 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1474.734 1475.744 1474.94 1475.47 Yeah . 1475.47 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1475.135 1484.784 1475.43 1484.784 Yeah . 'Kay there we go . Um , production costs . And um I have to access that as well . One moment . 1476.51 1477.1 1477.33 1478.89 1482.32 1484.19 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1482.203 1483.036 1482.31 1483.036 It says it - ES2015d A FEE057 0 1490.93 1496.96 1491.18 1496.84 'Kay so far I've added what I think or what is going on ? Great . 1496.35 1496.84 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1498.81 1500.104 1498.95 1499.87 It's blinking at me . 1499.87 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1501.221 1510.336 1501.41 1510.3 It's locked for editing . Read only . I'm gonna open up a second one then 'cause it's locked for editing . I have the original in my um 1503.34 1504.77 1508.62 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1511.478 1512.541 1511.64 1512.38 my email account . 1512.38 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1512.498 1514.304 1512.8 1514.21 Oh is it locked 'cause I'm in it ? 1514.21 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1514.797 1515.981 1515.04 1515.64 I dunno . 1515.64 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1514.934 1521.196 1515.07 1520.97 I think it just means that we can't add any more to it now . Have you have you completed it ? 1519.51 1520.97 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1515.161 1516.752 1515.5 1516.71 Or okay . 1516.71 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1521.456 1524.23 1521.7 1524.0 No . No , I was hoping that you guys could . 1522.57 1522.73 1524.0 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1521.949 1523.33 1522.14 1523.06 Oh right . Okay . 1522.65 1523.06 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1524.003 1524.845 1524.15 1524.49 Okay . 1524.49 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1525.888 1528.432 1526.47 1528.39 Um , there we go . 1527.21 1528.39 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1530.916 1552.464 1531.23 1552.38 Okay here we go . So we need to tally up how much our w our product will be costing . So um if you can look up at the screen , um the large screen , oh I guess looking at your own too and telling me which one you think . Okay we're using kinetic which is quite a large expense at three Euros . 1532.34 1538.01 1542.12 1543.72 1546.5 1552.38 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1542.757 1543.532 1542.9 1543.36 Yeah . 1543.36 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1552.436 1553.529 1552.57 1553.529 Yeah . 1553.4 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1552.951 1554.298 1553.17 1554.17 Oh right . 1554.17 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1553.52 1555.488 1553.64 1555.39 Um we're using a regular chip . 1555.39 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1555.096 1556.005 1555.41 1555.61 Yeah . 1555.61 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1556.864 1568.512 1556.88 1568.512 Um , it's cur it's double curved , so its curved all around . That's another three . We're already at five . Um , we're using plastic and rubber , so 1558.24 1559.69 1560.79 1561.63 1563.58 1564.89 1567.48 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1558.126 1560.887 1558.18 1560.47 Double double-curved yeah . 1560.47 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1566.48 1567.552 1566.5 1567.43 Yeah . 1567.43 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1570.735 1574.434 1570.98 1574.434 Good thing plastic is free , we're at eight . Um 1572.23 1573.71 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1575.39 1578.656 1575.6 1578.56 What about a special colour ? Are we using that ? 1576.93 1578.56 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1575.503 1576.085 1575.74 1575.91 S - ES2015d A FEE057 0 1576.857 1588.991 1577.11 1588.991 Yeah . I guess we should do it just for one kind . So it's like special colour well we'll have two colours right ? Well one colour for the case , one colour for the buttons . So we can 1578.75 1581.75 1585.27 1586.82 1588.11 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1581.172 1582.013 1581.38 1581.79 Yeah . 1581.79 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1584.848 1585.318 1584.87 1585.11 Yeah . 1585.11 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1587.872 1589.05 1588.01 1588.41 Mm-hmm . 1588.41 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1588.806 1590.119 1589.14 1589.88 Yeah . 1589.88 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1590.016 1600.384 1590.04 1600.22 Um , we have push button interface , so that's inexpensive . And um we have a special colour for the button , and we also have a special form . 1590.36 1591.79 1594.43 1598.35 1600.22 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1601.713 1605.227 1601.94 1604.9 And a special material . 1604.9 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1601.967 1604.829 1602.3 1604.7 And a special material . Yeah . 1603.59 1604.7 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1609.47 1610.105 1609.67 1610.07 Oof . 1610.07 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1609.592 1612.699 1609.8 1612.57 Which puts us just barely under budget . Hurray . 1611.7 1612.57 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1612.058 1614.515 1612.37 1613.86 Congratulations guys . 1613.86 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1612.333 1614.996 1612.72 1614.996 Mm . 'S good . 1612.88 1614.66 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1613.217 1622.56 1613.38 1622.38 Yeah . Good work guys . So um our operating cost is twelve twenty Euros . 1614.54 1615.3 1622.38 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1615.773 1617.053 1615.83 1616.78 That's good . 1616.78 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1623.427 1624.573 1623.57 1624.2 Awesome . 1624.2 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1632.913 1635.91 1633.08 1635.91 And back to our PowerPoint . So we've 1634.99 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1641.606 1649.888 1641.94 1649.888 'Kay . Yes we are . So we need to do a product evaluation , again , which is probably um 1642.51 1643.9 1647.12 1648.67 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1652.912 1655.312 1652.96 1655.312 I dunno . A different extension of a 1653.86 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1656.208 1659.103 1656.23 1658.87 Of the actual project rather than the product ? 1658.87 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1658.246 1659.627 1658.57 1659.13 Yeah . 1659.13 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1659.919 1661.029 1660.34 1660.76 Hmm . 1660.76 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1660.736 1662.941 1660.77 1662.58 A project ? Is is yeah . 1661.82 1662.58 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1662.509 1665.209 1662.78 1664.81 Yeah 'cause we're talking about leadership , teamwork . 1664.0 1664.81 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1663.272 1666.944 1663.29 1666.81 So wh how we actually went round uh about doing it . 1666.81 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1666.864 1668.896 1666.88 1668.896 Yeah . Alright so um 1667.62 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1670.672 1673.952 1670.77 1673.7 Do you guys feel like there was room for creativity ? 1673.7 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1674.989 1676.639 1675.06 1676.37 I think we were pushed . 1676.37 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1675.65 1676.96 1676.07 1676.79 Mm-hmm . 1676.79 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1676.837 1678.354 1676.95 1678.2 Pushed for creativity ? 1678.2 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1677.582 1690.243 1678.02 1690.19 I mean we weren't really given a lot of time , or materials , yeah , to go about our design task . So I think we could've done with a bit more time . 1681.64 1684.16 1685.72 1687.62 1690.19 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1679.204 1680.349 1679.58 1680.22 The ma - ES2015d C FEE059 2 1681.776 1684.692 1681.8 1684.692 Or materials . 1684.58 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1687.487 1688.531 1687.57 1688.49 Yeah . 1688.49 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1690.918 1693.174 1691.3 1692.99 Ye Okay . So it'd be like 1692.07 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1694.208 1696.592 1694.23 1696.53 need more time and - ES2015d A FEE057 0 1697.856 1705.712 1698.62 1705.68 materials . But you were allowed m creativity ? I think so as like but you were supposed to have creativ 1699.85 1702.64 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1699.433 1700.646 1699.57 1700.45 Yeah . 1700.45 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1702.035 1703.348 1702.26 1703.23 Yeah . 1703.23 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1704.489 1712.204 1705.03 1711.97 Yeah and the conceptual and functional . Like we were very creative in in coming up with an idea I guess , but m 1708.31 1711.71 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1710.656 1711.328 1710.68 1711.29 Yeah . 1711.29 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1710.8 1724.526 1710.82 1724.33 Yeah . Well we were just limited by resources really and like if we had decided to use the L_C_D_ screen , and like solar power backup and everything , then we wouldn't have been able to afford that . So that did limit 1711.79 1718.37 1721.53 1723.2 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1713.234 1716.082 1713.49 1715.93 When we can down to it . Okay . 1715.2 1715.93 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1713.928 1715.174 1714.13 1714.61 Yeah . 1714.61 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1715.275 1715.941 1715.35 1715.72 Right . 1715.72 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1724.92 1726.469 1725.19 1726.33 Creativity . 1726.33 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1725.408 1729.056 1725.57 1729.01 creativity . Just resources . But yeah . 1726.92 1728.45 1729.01 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1726.363 1727.083 1726.45 1726.98 Right - ES2015d D FEE060 3 1726.884 1727.957 1727.1 1727.37 Mm-hmm . 1727.37 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1728.253 1729.105 1728.44 1728.91 Okay - ES2015d B FEE058 1 1729.994 1732.8 1730.06 1732.8 The fruit and veg idea . 1732.54 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1731.354 1732.491 1731.42 1732.03 Great . 1732.03 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1733.52 1734.368 1733.55 1734.31 Leadership ? 1734.31 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1735.614 1737.517 1735.614 1736.69 Yeah . 1736.69 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1735.514 1739.879 1735.96 1739.879 Is this me being like , guys do you like me ? Um . 1736.66 1738.16 1739.27 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1738.064 1743.535 1738.064 1743.21 Good leadership , I think we stayed on task . 1741.94 1743.21 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1742.422 1743.181 1742.53 1743.01 Yeah . 1743.01 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1743.232 1756.448 1743.25 1756.448 Yeah we did . We've , uh seeing as we've come out with what we intended . A pro um a product within the budget . I think that's a sign of good leadership and also our personal coach helped us along the way , so you know 1744.2 1744.61 1747.81 1750.51 1755.64 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1743.319 1744.429 1743.58 1744.35 Yeah . 1744.35 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1750.304 1751.636 1750.64 1751.36 Mm-hmm . 1751.36 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1755.67 1756.567 1755.89 1756.35 Yeah . 1756.35 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1757.148 1761.587 1757.28 1761.587 And the timing was good . We never were pushed for time , or sat around doing nothing , so 1758.28 1759.64 1761.04 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1757.168 1758.751 1757.38 1758.58 I think it's been fine . 1758.58 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1761.029 1762.241 1761.19 1762.19 Yeah . 1762.19 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1761.242 1763.464 1761.51 1762.81 Yeah . Good timing . 1762.11 1762.81 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1762.83 1767.861 1763.78 1767.7 Oop Okay . Teamwork ? I think we worked great as a team . 1765.68 1766.11 1767.7 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1765.451 1767.471 1765.51 1767.16 And project manager of course . 1767.16 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1768.394 1769.337 1768.58 1769.24 Yeah . 1769.24 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1768.892 1769.785 1769.01 1769.53 Yeah ? 1769.53 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1768.942 1770.423 1769.19 1770.08 Yeah . 1770.08 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1770.32 1771.506 1770.32 1771.39 Was good teamwork . 1771.39 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1772.576 1774.512 1772.61 1774.25 I think we are well-suited to our roles . 1774.25 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1774.161 1775.44 1774.42 1775.06 Yeah . 1775.06 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1775.297 1776.307 1775.58 1775.97 Yeah . 1775.97 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1781.955 1783.841 1782.1 1783.36 Alright how were our means ? 1783.36 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1785.04 1785.776 1785.06 1785.776 Um - ES2015d A FEE057 0 1787.216 1789.546 1787.45 1789.4 We needed more Play Doh colours . 1789.4 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1788.943 1790.821 1789.3 1790.821 Yeah . 1790.46 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1789.84 1796.912 1789.86 1796.87 Yeah and more Play Doh , 'cause that was all the red we had . So even if we wanted to make a bigger prototype , we wouldn't have been able to . 1790.88 1792.48 1795.74 1796.87 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1791.73 1792.552 1791.88 1792.37 Yeah . 1792.37 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1792.479 1796.351 1792.6 1796.351 Yeah , it c it might've been bigger . 1792.78 1796.24 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1794.246 1795.578 1794.79 1795.4 Oh really ? 1795.4 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1796.651 1797.649 1796.86 1797.31 Okay . 1797.31 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1797.2 1799.09 1797.2 1798.99 But ever - ES2015d A FEE057 0 1800.533 1805.49 1800.69 1805.49 everything else was satisfactory ? Is that good 1804.04 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1804.659 1806.945 1804.87 1806.945 Yeah . The computer programmes are good . The 1805.08 1806.37 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1804.918 1806.029 1805.16 1805.92 Yeah . 1805.92 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1806.156 1818.047 1806.48 1818.047 Yeah . It could be really straightforward for the computer . I think the only thing was having to remember to you know to tick the okays but I think I was the only one who struggled with that . 1806.72 1809.06 1817.94 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1808.358 1810.097 1808.57 1810.097 Yeah . I don't think there was anything 1808.97 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1812.014 1814.61 1812.014 1814.5 Yeah . 1814.5 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1817.342 1823.792 1817.39 1823.792 I'm actually not sure if I've saved my presentations . 1823.51 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1821.154 1821.874 1821.29 1821.72 Yeah ? 1821.72 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1822.391 1822.957 1822.49 1822.91 Mm . 1822.91 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1823.895 1826.188 1824.09 1826.1 They'll probably still be there . 1826.1 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1824.001 1825.954 1824.31 1825.73 Uh me too . Yeah . 1825.48 1825.73 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1826.702 1829.588 1826.87 1829.48 New ideas found . I don't really know what that means . 1827.85 1829.48 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1832.273 1833.143 1832.38 1833.143 Um - ES2015d B FEE058 1 1832.165 1846.575 1832.39 1846.575 Well I think we've all learnt stuff from each other , like the n um yeah . Just about each different . Got new ideas from each other . 1835.18 1839.75 1841.68 1846.37 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1835.472 1838.435 1835.69 1837.97 Yeah . Through discussion . 1836.9 1837.97 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1845.033 1847.66 1845.48 1846.98 I'm not sure , new ideas found . 1845.96 1846.98 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1854.041 1854.966 1854.24 1854.46 Hmm ? 1854.46 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1856.209 1865.789 1856.49 1865.42 Yeah well I guess we really it we bounced off of each other , which was cool . Like based on marketing stuff and then you'd say something about interface and yeah , worked well . 1858.99 1860.54 1864.92 1865.42 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1859.426 1860.705 1859.7 1860.48 Yeah . 1860.48 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1859.428 1860.279 1859.72 1860.17 Yeah . 1860.17 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1863.291 1864.436 1863.63 1864.0 Yeah . 1864.0 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1864.249 1864.877 1864.43 1864.73 Yeah . 1864.73 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1864.496 1868.247 1864.52 1868.09 And we were a able to modify each other's ideas - ES2015d D FEE060 3 1867.861 1868.749 1868.17 1868.49 Mm-hmm . 1868.49 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1868.712 1869.89 1868.95 1869.37 Yeah . 1869.37 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1869.206 1882.279 1869.39 1882.279 to fit in with our areas of expertise . 1882.02 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1872.93 1876.001 1873.16 1876.001 Yeah . Each other's 1873.81 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1873.965 1876.073 1874.21 1875.96 Oh does it have smart materials by the way ? 1875.96 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1876.355 1877.533 1876.57 1877.35 Sorry ? 1877.35 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1876.702 1878.441 1876.92 1878.23 Does it have smart materials ? 1878.23 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1877.707 1878.163 1877.83 1877.95 Mm . 1877.95 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1878.544 1888.224 1878.57 1888.224 Oh yeah . Well mm , did it come into the into I dunno if we counted that in the costs . 1880.77 1882.31 1888.07 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1879.172 1880.544 1879.24 1880.544 Oh yeah . 1880.15 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1882.896 1884.728 1882.93 1884.728 If if it if it - ES2015d C FEE059 2 1887.119 1889.307 1887.32 1888.95 If it can be afforded . 1888.95 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1892.784 1902.208 1892.784 1902.12 Okay ? Well with that achieved , our last slide is our closing slide . 1895.6 1899.07 1902.12 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1903.042 1919.06 1903.21 1918.85 Yes our costs are within budget . It's evaluated generally positively . And um don't forget to complete final questionnaire and meeting summary . Then we celebrate in such a way that I have no idea . 1905.99 1908.91 1913.72 1918.85 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1905.417 1906.172 1905.57 1906.06 Yes . 1906.06 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1906.059 1906.649 1906.15 1906.48 Mm-hmm . 1906.48 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1907.875 1909.053 1908.05 1908.98 Yeah . 1908.98 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1908.11 1909.109 1908.44 1908.97 Mm-hmm . 1908.97 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1913.67 1914.172 1913.81 1914.12 Uh . 1914.12 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1914.736 1919.319 1914.736 1919.319 By watching T_V_ ? 1919.12 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1914.843 1916.218 1915.0 1916.0 Yay . 1916.0 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1915.021 1916.696 1915.04 1916.15 Fantastic . 1916.15 ES2015d B FEE058 1 1919.542 1925.664 1919.87 1922.03 Okay , brilliant . Thank you very much . 1920.25 1921.57 1925.17 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1920.428 1921.538 1920.78 1921.34 Alright ? 1921.34 ES2015d C FEE059 2 1921.384 1921.814 1921.49 1921.72 Yeah . 1921.72 ES2015d A FEE057 0 1922.448 1926.0 1922.62 1922.96 Okay , bye . 1922.96 1925.56 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1924.081 1924.867 1924.28 1924.83 Mm . 1924.83 ES2015d D FEE060 3 1928.307 1930.897 1928.59 1930.7 Conclusion ? Dadada . 1930.42 1930.7 ES2016a A MEE061 0 10.449 14.112 10.93 13.98 Okay . Oh , that's not gonna work . 12.03 12.41 13.98 ES2016a A MEE061 0 27.952 29.373 28.01 29.25 Oh , alright . 28.25 29.25 ES2016a A MEE061 0 35.424 36.271 35.424 35.88 Okay . 35.88 ES2016a A MEE061 0 60.032 65.12 60.49 64.88 Okay . Um alright . 62.85 64.88 ES2016a D FEE064 3 63.712 64.651 63.8 64.54 Uh , uh , um . 63.89 63.96 64.54 ES2016a A MEE061 0 67.856 92.288 67.88 92.09 I'll just put that there . Uh as you all know we're here to create a brand new fantastic remote . Uh I'm Nick Debusk , I'm the Project Manager . Uh we'll just get started with everyone kind of letting each other know who they are and what you're doing , what your what your role is um . 70.24 75.1 78.09 80.27 89.57 92.09 ES2016a A MEE061 0 93.616 94.256 93.67 94.21 Go ahead . 94.21 ES2016a D FEE064 3 94.192 138.8 94.29 138.13 Okay . I am Corinne Whiting and I will be the Marketing Expert and in each of the three phases I will have a different role . In the function design phase I will be talking about user requirement specification , and this means what needs and desires are to be fulfilled , and I'll be doing research to figure this out . In the conceptual design phase I will be dealing with trend watching and I'll be doing marketing research on the web . And then finally in the um detailed design phase I will be doing product evaluation and so I will be collecting the requirements and ranking all the requirements to see how we did . 94.89 103.0 110.93 115.21 117.9 125.21 138.13 ES2016a A MEE061 0 138.592 139.264 138.82 139.22 'Kay . 139.22 ES2016a C MEE063 2 139.184 170.08 139.55 169.93 Hiya , I'm Ryan . Um I'm the User Interface Designer . Um likewise I've three different roles for each stage of design . Um the functional design is looking at the tex technical functions of a remote control . Um in the concept design , the user interface , how the user reacts with the the product . And the detailed design um sort of like the user interface design , what they might be looking for , uh things like fashions , what makes wha how we're gonna make it special . 140.03 140.7 143.23 148.49 153.65 155.99 157.47 160.23 164.84 166.04 168.08 169.93 ES2016a C MEE063 2 171.568 172.368 171.73 172.24 That's about it . 172.24 ES2016a B MEO062 1 172.464 222.584 172.464 222.584 Right . I'm Manuel and I'm the Industrial Designer in in this project um . In the functional design phase I'm I'll be dealing mostly with the requirements , um we'll discuss what the prog what functions the the product has to fulfil and so and so on . Um I suppose we'll work pretty much together on that one . Um um in the conceptual design um I'll be pro mostly dealing with properties and materials um of our product . And uh the detailed design in the detailed design I'll be concerned with the look and feel of the product itself , um so we're pretty much working together obviously on the design front here . Okay . 173.43 180.16 184.77 192.01 195.3 204.03 212.79 220.71 222.37 ES2016a C MEE063 2 202.028 202.622 202.18 202.58 Yeah . 202.58 ES2016a A MEE061 0 220.976 222.0 221.21 221.77 Okay . 221.77 ES2016a A MEE061 0 223.962 257.12 224.06 257.06 Um so we've got our opening , our our agenda is the opening , uh acquaintance which we've kinda done . Uh tool training , project plan discussion and then closing . Uh grand total of twenty five minutes we have here . Um so we are putting together a new remote control . Um we want it to be something original . Um of course we're a not only a electronics company but a 228.13 230.15 233.71 234.7 238.69 242.52 248.19 251.5 ES2016a A MEE061 0 258.256 267.728 258.28 267.55 fashion um conscious electronics company , so we want it to be trendy um and we want it to be easy to use . 261.9 267.55 ES2016a A MEE061 0 269.072 270.56 269.072 270.43 Um - ES2016a A MEE061 0 272.736 284.832 273.2 284.7 we've got the functional design , conceptual design and detailed design um which basically is is the three of you um . 275.3 284.7 ES2016a A MEE061 0 287.6 288.834 287.68 288.46 And - ES2016a A MEE061 0 291.472 299.008 291.68 298.82 w uh well um functional design um . 298.82 ES2016a A MEE061 0 303.024 307.216 303.04 307.18 Um do we have um - ES2016a A MEE061 0 309.568 322.384 309.66 322.26 any ideas of of maybe d let's just throw out some ideas of what kind of remote control we want to have , and then we can go into how we're gonna design it and 319.34 ES2016a A MEE061 0 323.424 326.576 323.44 326.54 and how we're gonna do the detailing on it . 326.54 ES2016a C MEE063 2 326.816 333.472 326.84 333.32 Yeah . Well uh s function of remote control is just just you know , change channels is its main function . 327.05 331.25 333.32 ES2016a A MEE061 0 333.345 343.088 333.56 343.05 So we want it to be um a T_V_ remote or I I mean do we want it to to do other things besides just be a a television remote ? 343.05 ES2016a C MEE063 2 343.072 352.592 343.25 352.56 Oh right . I suppose you c try make it a universal remote for could work on all sort of electrical 343.5 ES2016a A MEE061 0 348.275 348.864 348.59 348.81 'Kay . 348.81 ES2016a C MEE063 2 353.584 361.728 353.63 361.57 products in in one person's house . But , you know , they all sorta have the same role changing channels , volumes and then programming . 356.43 356.8 357.28 359.99 361.57 ES2016a D FEE064 3 356.048 356.4 356.11 356.32 Mm . 356.32 ES2016a A MEE061 0 361.76 362.96 361.79 362.91 Mm-hmm . 'Kay . 362.67 362.91 ES2016a C MEE063 2 365.92 372.144 365.94 372.02 I think they all work on the same prin principle as well sorta like I don't actually know . But is it just infra-red ? Is that standard ? 370.34 371.37 372.02 ES2016a B MEO062 1 366.103 366.524 366.2 366.45 Mm . 366.45 ES2016a A MEE061 0 372.72 386.864 372.74 386.42 I I think yeah , yeah , r universal remote . Um this is my first uh go-round with creating a remote control , so I think we're all in the same boat here . 374.19 374.41 376.86 381.17 386.42 ES2016a C MEE063 2 372.779 374.192 372.9 374.04 Ye yeah . 374.04 ES2016a D FEE064 3 378.805 379.432 379.04 379.13 Huh . 379.13 ES2016a D FEE064 3 382.544 386.625 382.544 386.625 Ours too . 386.44 ES2016a A MEE061 0 387.984 388.928 387.984 388.928 Um - ES2016a C MEE063 2 391.248 395.312 391.44 395.01 Um one thing I thought of with the remote control is you always lose 'em . 395.01 ES2016a A MEE061 0 395.616 396.288 395.64 396.18 Okay . 396.18 ES2016a D FEE064 3 396.208 396.56 396.23 396.52 Mm . 396.52 ES2016a C MEE063 2 396.528 401.92 396.55 401.79 So if there's a g a way of finding it quite easily , I thought that'd be quite good quite a good feature . 400.2 401.79 ES2016a D FEE064 3 397.824 398.448 397.95 398.29 Ch - ES2016a A MEE061 0 400.144 404.512 400.16 404.45 So we should we should set our remote control up to where it has a uh - ES2016a D FEE064 3 406.624 408.664 406.68 408.664 Like a tracking device ? 408.41 ES2016a A MEE061 0 407.408 411.13 407.43 411.13 like a tracking device or or like a a - ES2016a C MEE063 2 408.61 413.429 408.76 413.26 Oh you can get those key well you could whistle or make a noise and it'd beep . 413.26 ES2016a A MEE061 0 412.352 415.92 412.37 415.92 It makes a noise , there's a button on the T_V_ that you press and 413.34 ES2016a B MEO062 1 412.652 414.292 413.81 413.98 Mm , mm . 413.87 413.98 ES2016a D FEE064 3 415.119 415.592 415.22 415.4 Mm . 415.4 ES2016a C MEE063 2 415.504 415.862 415.52 415.78 Yeah . 415.78 ES2016a B MEO062 1 416.32 416.816 416.39 416.78 Right . 416.78 ES2016a A MEE061 0 417.52 417.904 417.58 417.85 'Kay . 417.85 ES2016a D FEE064 3 417.68 418.488 417.92 418.4 Be good . 418.4 ES2016a B MEO062 1 419.359 420.048 419.41 420.048 So - ES2016a C MEE063 2 422.64 428.352 422.66 428.32 Generally , all remotes are sort of quite similar in their appearance . 423.08 428.32 ES2016a A MEE061 0 428.448 441.904 428.68 441.904 Yeah . Do we want so they're kinda like long and rectangular . Do we want something crazy ? You know , we want something new that's gonna stand out . A m a modern so our remote should be 429.79 433.48 435.46 435.75 438.63 ES2016a C MEE063 2 429.504 430.441 429.52 430.34 Just long . 430.34 ES2016a C MEE063 2 432.231 434.311 432.231 434.18 Yeah . Black usually . 433.49 434.18 ES2016a C MEE063 2 435.485 436.242 435.67 436.14 Yeah . 436.14 ES2016a D FEE064 3 436.501 438.256 436.86 438.18 Lot more modern . 438.18 ES2016a C MEE063 2 438.544 439.432 438.56 439.17 I think so . 439.17 ES2016a C MEE063 2 441.107 444.304 441.45 443.98 Maybe sorta spherical or something . A ball . 442.83 443.98 ES2016a D FEE064 3 444.752 446.656 444.77 446.62 Maybe like user-friendly , like a little 445.97 ES2016a C MEE063 2 446.917 447.651 447.13 447.54 Yeah . 447.54 ES2016a D FEE064 3 447.968 450.768 447.99 450.73 you know , where you can use both hands , like a little keyboard type thing . 448.2 449.28 450.73 ES2016a C MEE063 2 450.144 460.848 450.25 460.79 People I thought maybe , because people always tend to throw a remote control about the place to one another if it was in a ball , and maybe the actual controls are inside or something . 453.06 458.48 460.79 ES2016a B MEO062 1 450.912 451.795 450.95 451.35 Mm . 451.35 ES2016a A MEE061 0 458.848 459.696 458.87 459.58 'Kay . 459.58 ES2016a D FEE064 3 461.502 461.96 461.61 461.77 Mm . 461.77 ES2016a A MEE061 0 461.51 462.496 462.17 462.45 Um . 462.45 ES2016a B MEO062 1 462.48 493.056 462.5 492.99 Well there are of course certain restrictions , you can't have it be any form and fulfil all functions at the same time , so there are always the some restrictions we have to apply here . Um however um one question is how stable is that thing supposed to be , that refers to the material , pretty much um . What are we gonna build that thing out of ? How sturdy is it gonna be ? Do we want it to last longer or rather have people 464.43 469.53 473.95 479.86 481.67 483.02 485.14 486.28 ES2016a C MEE063 2 468.816 469.291 468.84 469.12 Yeah . 469.12 ES2016a D FEE064 3 482.56 482.944 482.58 482.89 Mm . 482.89 ES2016a B MEO062 1 494.688 498.0 494.72 497.94 whatever , have to buy one every half a year ? 495.5 497.94 ES2016a A MEE061 0 495.376 511.504 495.376 511.504 Okay so yeah , so we want it to be sturdy , we want it to to hold up to somebody's child , you know , throwing it across the room or , as you said , people kinda throw it , so ball-shaped , uh you know , if it were ball-shaped maybe , then it 497.0 498.24 502.74 502.97 504.75 505.3 506.21 508.31 509.43 511.26 ES2016a C MEE063 2 497.095 497.721 497.15 497.42 Yeah . 497.42 ES2016a C MEE063 2 506.27 506.801 506.33 506.64 Yeah . 506.64 ES2016a C MEE063 2 511.088 514.368 511.16 514.33 It could be cased on the outside and t everything could be inside . 514.33 ES2016a A MEE061 0 514.304 521.744 514.46 521.64 'Kay . Um so we want it to be modern , fun , sturdy , 516.28 519.54 520.68 521.64 ES2016a A MEE061 0 523.856 524.928 523.88 524.928 um - ES2016a A MEE061 0 528.576 534.848 528.65 534.8 So our form and our function . Um we want it to be um 530.83 ES2016a A MEE061 0 536.608 539.44 536.67 539.44 easy to find . 539.18 ES2016a A MEE061 0 553.44 554.784 553.47 554.784 Um - ES2016a A MEE061 0 559.536 560.832 559.61 560.832 What else - ES2016a A MEE061 0 564.0 569.76 564.07 569.71 it what else do we want it to to do ? So we want it to be universal . 566.09 569.71 ES2016a A MEE061 0 572.432 578.368 572.5 578.25 It's something that we're supposed to sell for about twenty five Euros um - ES2016a A MEE061 0 579.68 580.624 579.7 580.47 and - ES2016a A MEE061 0 582.736 591.52 582.76 591.13 you know , goals for profits are I think somewhere around uh fifty million Euros , what they wanna make on it , so . 583.5 589.64 590.65 591.13 ES2016a D FEE064 3 591.112 591.559 591.24 591.45 Mm . 591.45 ES2016a D FEE064 3 596.048 603.84 596.07 603.73 Also since we're partners of the International Remote Control Association , maybe we wanna make it something that would globally appeal . 600.37 603.73 ES2016a A MEE061 0 604.352 604.784 604.37 604.73 'Kay . 604.73 ES2016a D FEE064 3 605.408 608.272 605.43 608.23 That's more on the research end , but the marketing . 606.93 608.23 ES2016a A MEE061 0 609.776 614.864 609.92 614.72 So marketing , you know , how maybe uh 611.22 612.73 ES2016a A MEE061 0 616.128 625.744 616.22 625.62 marketing , you could s find out what is the most universally um appealing remote control out there . 616.86 625.62 ES2016a D FEE064 3 624.609 626.016 624.609 625.98 Yeah . 625.98 ES2016a D FEE064 3 627.593 638.512 627.66 638.4 And maybe as far as design goes , maybe we could have different ones for different target audiences , 'cause maybe one won't apply to all of the countries we're targeting . 629.22 633.95 638.4 ES2016a A MEE061 0 633.696 634.266 633.83 634.23 'Kay . 634.23 ES2016a C MEE063 2 634.275 634.813 634.46 634.57 Ye - ES2016a C MEE063 2 636.016 636.512 636.06 636.48 Small . 636.48 ES2016a B MEO062 1 639.818 640.851 640.04 640.57 Right . 640.57 ES2016a A MEE061 0 650.224 651.376 650.33 651.376 Um - ES2016a A MEE061 0 665.104 671.536 665.12 671.48 Do you guys have any ideas for what it should look like ? Maybe we could draw it up on the on the board over there . Some ideas ? 667.28 670.44 671.48 ES2016a A MEE061 0 676.064 684.624 676.22 684.14 We want it to be a b a ball , you know , we'll draw up we'll draw up the ball and maybe th um where the buttons are located . 678.65 679.12 684.14 ES2016a C MEE063 2 677.008 680.221 677.008 679.97 I'd I could draw sorta the ball idea . 679.97 ES2016a C MEE063 2 688.758 690.672 689.07 690.56 My original idea was just simply - ES2016a C MEE063 2 693.12 696.321 693.17 696.321 sort of a sphere , where maybe you 695.44 ES2016a C MEE063 2 698.896 708.368 699.56 708.368 this is where it's connected together , and then when you open it out , it could fol it could be maybe flip , like a flip phone , and then when you fold it out the middle 701.62 703.09 704.62 706.1 ES2016a C MEE063 2 710.176 716.944 710.66 716.75 Maybe a hinge that'll have to be the strongest part of it . If that if we did use a hinge , or if it was just two parts , and then you'd have 713.35 714.49 716.03 ES2016a C MEE063 2 718.0 720.144 718.02 719.92 just sorta you you you know , your buttons . 719.23 719.92 ES2016a C MEE063 2 722.624 731.712 722.69 731.67 Thing is inside I think , sometimes remotes have too many buttons , so maybe as simple as possible , um as few buttons inside as possible . 725.31 727.6 729.84 731.67 ES2016a C MEE063 2 732.928 738.656 732.99 738.61 Um , I dunno , what's the idea for . Just something maybe if you ha if it had like if some kind of 734.15 734.42 736.12 ES2016a C MEE063 2 740.208 746.976 740.23 746.73 like light or something or lights around it . It's looking a bit like something out of Star Wars at the moment though , to be fair . But yeah . 742.86 745.06 746.18 746.73 ES2016a D FEE064 3 746.492 747.641 746.51 747.6 Futuristic . 747.6 ES2016a C MEE063 2 748.672 752.91 748.76 752.91 That was that was a sorta simple idea I had and then you know you could about - ES2016a A MEE061 0 750.128 750.672 750.15 750.52 Uh-huh . 750.52 ES2016a C MEE063 2 753.744 761.616 753.81 760.86 Right , it would almost be like a ball . So that was just just an idea I had . I don't know whether anybody else has other ideas ? 754.62 756.01 758.55 760.86 ES2016a B MEO062 1 761.264 783.248 761.55 783.08 Right . One problem you'd get with this design is um the ball is a nice idea because of it's stability really , but of course , since it's a ball , it'll roll , so we'd have to have it flat on one side at least , down here somewhere , take away that part . That's one of the big issues . Also also you risk the hinges here . That's that's um a problem . 761.89 767.68 769.29 770.04 770.87 773.84 775.06 776.46 778.81 781.58 783.08 ES2016a C MEE063 2 767.024 767.396 767.04 767.26 Yeah . 767.26 ES2016a C MEE063 2 770.928 771.342 770.95 771.19 Yeah . 771.19 ES2016a C MEE063 2 772.736 773.575 772.76 773.46 Maybe f yeah . 773.46 ES2016a C MEE063 2 778.526 779.999 778.62 779.76 Yeah , that's g that's a good idea . 778.81 779.76 ES2016a C MEE063 2 781.408 786.512 781.43 786.44 Yeah . The idea it didn't have to necessarily be f a hinge , that was just one idea though . 782.42 785.29 786.44 ES2016a B MEO062 1 784.272 792.496 784.272 792.19 That's that's interesting of course , but that's of course a weak point , yeah . 789.69 791.58 792.19 ES2016a C MEE063 2 791.952 792.533 791.98 792.37 Yeah . 792.37 ES2016a A MEE061 0 803.328 805.296 803.64 805.26 How would we go about um - ES2016a A MEE061 0 808.0 819.552 808.02 819.552 making you know getting rid of our weak points ? What I mean would we just have a flat spot on the bottom of the ball ? Not to put you on the spot , but 810.96 817.05 818.91 ES2016a B MEO062 1 817.324 820.816 817.324 820.33 E No no , uh uh . 819.16 820.33 ES2016a A MEE061 0 822.416 824.448 822.44 824.1 What did you say your title was again ? 824.1 ES2016a B MEO062 1 822.368 823.923 823.08 823.81 N n - ES2016a B MEO062 1 824.92 832.224 825.03 831.87 Uh , I'm your Industrial Designer , so i b well , the point is 825.19 827.69 830.98 ES2016a A MEE061 0 825.255 828.288 825.41 828.19 You're the the Industrial Designer . 828.19 ES2016a B MEO062 1 833.248 834.864 833.52 834.62 that - ES2016a B MEO062 1 836.56 854.256 836.56 854.05 well maybe I dunno . The shape is perhaps not the most ideal . As as stable as it is , there must be a compromise between um stability and design here , so . 842.67 845.65 847.42 853.8 854.05 ES2016a A MEE061 0 845.232 845.696 845.28 845.6 Okay . 845.6 ES2016a C MEE063 2 850.214 854.165 850.47 854.08 Well I I suppose that things become design . But I mean i 853.56 ES2016a D FEE064 3 852.924 853.634 853.14 853.45 Mm-hmm . 853.45 ES2016a C MEE063 2 854.976 867.633 855.0 867.29 I was trying to think of like the design of others . I can't think of anything other than a long rectangle for remote , maybe small , sort of fatter ones , but there's nothing being done sort of out of left field , yeah . 857.58 860.82 861.64 862.46 867.02 867.29 ES2016a A MEE061 0 862.944 863.438 862.99 863.4 Yeah . 863.4 ES2016a A MEE061 0 865.616 873.936 865.98 873.88 It's not new , it's not innovative , it's you know , everybody does long remote because it's easy , it's it's stable um . 866.68 867.59 868.75 871.34 873.88 ES2016a C MEE063 2 870.224 870.738 870.25 870.56 Yeah . 870.56 ES2016a D FEE064 3 875.893 886.944 876.06 886.81 'Kay , I'll draw something . What ? My idea was just to have it be kind of like a 876.32 878.34 882.14 ES2016a A MEE061 0 876.864 880.361 877.3 880.25 So if no , go ahead . 879.53 880.25 ES2016a D FEE064 3 887.968 901.193 888.07 901.11 keyboard type shape , you know , like video games l so . But maybe I mean that would be kinda big and bulky . We could also try to do the hinge thing , so it could like flip out that way . I don't know . 889.64 889.88 892.04 894.82 897.15 900.42 901.11 ES2016a C MEE063 2 890.169 890.845 890.26 890.54 Yeah . 890.54 ES2016a D FEE064 3 902.609 905.136 902.609 904.63 That's my idea . 904.63 ES2016a C MEE063 2 905.408 907.576 905.45 907.44 I think definitely doing something different - ES2016a D FEE064 3 907.536 908.128 907.7 908.09 Yeah . 908.09 ES2016a C MEE063 2 908.64 909.552 908.7 909.49 is a good idea . 909.49 ES2016a B MEO062 1 920.89 921.348 921.04 921.22 Mm . 921.22 ES2016a C MEE063 2 922.161 933.392 922.18 933.34 I mean maybe design something , that's sort of like uh I suppose not everybody's everybody's hand's the same , but something that would maybe fit in the hand easier . 925.19 931.01 933.34 ES2016a A MEE061 0 933.376 934.949 933.48 934.57 Something with a grip . 934.57 ES2016a D FEE064 3 933.569 935.024 933.59 934.96 Mm . Yeah . 934.62 934.96 ES2016a C MEE063 2 934.528 935.767 934.55 935.44 Yeah , with a grip . 934.76 935.44 ES2016a A MEE061 0 939.154 943.794 939.154 943.73 Yeah . Because even I suppose even with the ball 941.66 ES2016a C MEE063 2 944.416 948.051 944.44 947.97 It still might be hard to it still not the ho easiest thing to hold , yeah . 947.77 947.97 ES2016a A MEE061 0 945.472 949.392 945.49 949.35 it's it might not be the easiest to hold onto um . 949.35 ES2016a B MEO062 1 948.691 949.294 948.85 948.89 Mm . 948.89 ES2016a A MEE061 0 951.68 967.447 951.7 967.447 So perhaps the the joystick the the keyboard idea might work better . But then again , people like to use one hand to flip and one hand to hold their soda , so maybe maybe we 959.62 960.21 964.84 ES2016a C MEE063 2 955.296 956.368 955.34 956.33 Like yeah . 956.33 ES2016a D FEE064 3 964.56 965.664 964.56 965.63 True . 965.63 ES2016a C MEE063 2 964.768 965.274 964.79 965.03 Yeah . 965.03 ES2016a C MEE063 2 966.992 971.632 967.01 971.52 It's d yeah . I think it's definitely got to be a a one-handed a one-handed job . 967.34 971.52 ES2016a D FEE064 3 970.256 970.736 970.28 970.69 Mm . 970.69 ES2016a A MEE061 0 974.288 978.688 974.38 978.688 I feel like I'm just shooting everything down here . Uh um 976.7 ES2016a D FEE064 3 976.07 980.896 976.07 980.51 That's fine . You're the boss , you're allowed to . 978.61 979.2 980.51 ES2016a B MEO062 1 982.64 995.296 982.89 995.26 Well with the one-handed design you also have the the problem of the size w 'cause you know from cell phones , they can be too small . So if the remote is too small it if it's small it probably looks better , but 988.26 989.85 995.08 ES2016a D FEE064 3 989.904 990.524 989.92 990.3 Yeah . 990.3 ES2016a A MEE061 0 990.287 990.929 990.47 990.81 Yeah . 990.81 ES2016a B MEO062 1 996.448 998.016 996.62 997.93 may not be th as functional . 997.93 ES2016a B MEO062 1 999.536 1000.496 999.56 1000.496 So for that there's - ES2016a A MEE061 0 1003.12 1025.712 1003.23 1025.64 Okay , so unfortunately we've got about five minutes here to come up with our um remote control idea and start rolling with it . Um we've talked about our experiences with remote control and um we've got a couple ideas um . 1003.75 1016.5 1025.64 ES2016a B MEO062 1 1004.863 1005.238 1004.94 1005.238 So - ES2016a A MEE061 0 1030.224 1032.176 1030.55 1031.92 Let's see here . 1031.92 ES2016a A MEE061 0 1040.496 1064.752 1040.52 1064.72 What if we had what if we had not only um say we went with the ball the ball function um , but maybe we give it sort of grips along the side s um to make it easier to hold on to . So 1049.76 1063.72 ES2016a A MEE061 0 1068.176 1085.424 1068.2 1085.38 you know um s so it's easier to hold onto that way . Course that'll then remove some of our our ball . Unless this unless this part were raised , so say the cover flips over and covers that part . 1074.04 1077.41 1081.07 1085.38 ES2016a C MEE063 2 1071.652 1072.272 1071.81 1072.2 Yeah . 1072.2 ES2016a A MEE061 0 1086.464 1087.808 1086.48 1087.808 So the grip is - ES2016a A MEE061 0 1089.889 1092.813 1089.98 1092.78 No , that wouldn't work either um . 1090.5 1092.78 ES2016a A MEE061 0 1096.64 1106.288 1096.72 1106.23 But if we're gonna make it flat on the bottom , then that eliminates our ball anyways . So if it were flat on the bottom and then had the 1099.58 1102.02 ES2016a A MEE061 0 1108.064 1110.368 1108.08 1110.26 sorta grips on the side here I guess , 1110.26 ES2016a A MEE061 0 1113.072 1114.112 1113.1 1113.95 um - ES2016a A MEE061 0 1115.248 1116.08 1115.27 1115.99 and then - ES2016a A MEE061 0 1117.152 1118.724 1117.152 1118.724 flat uh - ES2016a A MEE061 0 1124.976 1126.992 1125.06 1126.92 And then we have the problem with the hinge . 1126.92 ES2016a A MEE061 0 1128.272 1131.328 1128.29 1131.21 So if we're flat on the bottom , it's not gonna roll away , it'll stay where we want . 1129.39 1130.18 1131.21 ES2016a B MEO062 1 1131.998 1138.144 1132.32 1138.04 The question is also , I dunno , d do you really always want to open that thing when you have to use it ? 1133.31 1135.0 1138.04 ES2016a A MEE061 0 1138.512 1140.32 1138.79 1140.16 Mm , that's true . 1139.35 1140.16 ES2016a B MEO062 1 1139.551 1165.888 1139.551 1165.83 It's probably going to lie around opened all the time anyway , so I don't know if a lid is a good idea . From stabil stability point of view uh it certainly is , but also you have to face it and take into account the more of these things break by accident , uh the more we sell . So it's don't make it too stable uh . 1143.19 1146.26 1150.36 1158.46 1161.35 1165.83 ES2016a A MEE061 0 1163.696 1165.913 1163.72 1165.77 So we don't have it flip open . 1165.77 ES2016a A MEE061 0 1167.04 1169.16 1167.09 1169.16 We just have a ball - ES2016a C MEE063 2 1170.064 1175.099 1170.12 1174.84 But then maybe to go back to the to th s something along those things then . 1174.84 ES2016a B MEO062 1 1173.678 1174.772 1173.79 1174.58 To the other design . 1174.58 ES2016a A MEE061 0 1175.184 1195.072 1175.2 1195.072 Okay , so then we forget the ball . It looks cool , but it's really not it's not functional um . So we've got our sort of keyboard kind . What if we flipped it around here , so that it were um 1176.91 1180.95 1181.6 1186.28 1189.35 1191.0 ES2016a B MEO062 1 1178.215 1182.672 1178.215 1182.672 It looks cool . 1181.88 ES2016a D FEE064 3 1178.384 1182.896 1178.384 1182.59 Looks cool though . Yeah . 1181.55 1182.59 ES2016a B MEO062 1 1183.339 1184.539 1183.4 1184.13 Uh functional . 1184.13 ES2016a A MEE061 0 1197.392 1203.456 1197.68 1203.31 Sorry , that doesn't look anything like what you had there . Um so it's up and down , you hold it this way . 1198.03 1200.8 1202.23 1203.31 ES2016a A MEE061 0 1205.152 1215.472 1205.65 1215.4 Course then it's it's like the rectangular again , only with a couple of jutting out points . But it's one-handed um . 1208.45 1212.19 1215.4 ES2016a C MEE063 2 1205.516 1206.281 1205.65 1205.96 Yeah . 1205.96 ES2016a B MEO062 1 1210.018 1212.199 1210.15 1212.07 Right . Right . 1211.54 1212.07 ES2016a B MEO062 1 1216.064 1235.2 1216.1 1235.16 Question is what makes those game pads functional ? W I think that's pretty much the form for full hand . So it's a round shape underneath that makes it comfy , right , makes it nice , so that's the essential part . Except for that I think we'll not probably not get a get away from some longer design . 1219.28 1222.88 1226.85 1227.73 1228.41 1229.66 1235.16 ES2016a D FEE064 3 1226.544 1227.23 1226.64 1226.98 Mm . 1226.98 ES2016a A MEE061 0 1226.543 1227.232 1226.7 1227.07 Yeah . 1227.07 ES2016a A MEE061 0 1230.896 1231.579 1230.92 1231.579 Yeah . 1231.33 ES2016a D FEE064 3 1235.312 1235.824 1235.36 1235.64 Right . 1235.64 ES2016a B MEO062 1 1237.28 1241.36 1237.3 1241.3 'Cause you also have to know which way around to point this thing . 1241.3 ES2016a A MEE061 0 1242.528 1247.008 1243.07 1246.95 Yeah , because it doesn't have a cord , like joysticks do . 1243.82 1245.75 1246.95 ES2016a B MEO062 1 1242.961 1246.121 1243.14 1246.121 You know , all that dif batteries right , and 1243.39 1245.82 ES2016a B MEO062 1 1246.992 1252.16 1247.01 1252.12 Batteries go weak as well , so um after a while you have to point it towards the uh 1248.48 ES2016a B MEO062 1 1254.048 1258.208 1254.07 1258.17 towards the equipment you wanna control with it , right ? So , have to m 1256.15 1256.53 1257.81 ES2016a B MEO062 1 1259.408 1261.184 1259.43 1261.06 show which is the front , which is the back . 1260.38 1261.06 ES2016a A MEE061 0 1261.632 1266.912 1261.8 1266.8 Is it possible to have it to where it would work with a like a sensor on either side ? 1266.8 ES2016a A MEE061 0 1267.979 1270.328 1268.0 1270.29 So that either way you're pointing it it would work . 1270.29 ES2016a B MEO062 1 1268.054 1274.784 1268.36 1274.73 I suppose you could do that . O of course the more technology you stick in that , the more it'll cost , so . 1269.91 1272.41 1274.33 1274.73 ES2016a A MEE061 0 1273.408 1275.26 1273.43 1274.96 More expensive and yeah . 1274.96 ES2016a B MEO062 1 1275.76 1277.632 1275.85 1277.54 Course you can do that . 1277.54 ES2016a A MEE061 0 1278.457 1279.296 1278.457 1279.25 'Kay . 1279.25 ES2016a A MEE061 0 1281.248 1282.026 1281.27 1282.026 Um - ES2016a B MEO062 1 1286.336 1311.301 1286.36 1311.15 I mean of course it'll be evident after a while or if you look at it , it'll it'll be evident which way around to point it , since you have the the numbers and the and the the buttons and stuff , but um it's rather about an instinctual thing , like you just grab it , you don't have to s look at it , you know , which way around to point it . Otherwise the design of or the the point of putting two sensors on both sides um would probably work . 1289.51 1291.56 1295.55 1298.86 1299.64 1301.07 1301.48 1302.92 1311.15 ES2016a A MEE061 0 1294.478 1295.202 1294.52 1295.14 True . 1295.14 ES2016a C MEE063 2 1297.578 1298.192 1297.74 1298.192 Put it - ES2016a C MEE063 2 1310.912 1325.808 1311.56 1325.41 Even if you designed it in some in a way that you know , isn't a rectangle , but still pointed in a direction that had definite points . So if that's your thing and you got something like that instead , and there's your s you kn you know which way you're gonna pointing it . 1314.36 1315.9 1318.76 1322.76 1325.41 ES2016a D FEE064 3 1321.024 1322.271 1321.05 1322.271 Yeah . 1322.12 ES2016a A MEE061 0 1325.632 1326.352 1325.73 1326.21 'Kay . 1326.21 ES2016a D FEE064 3 1326.272 1329.296 1326.29 1329.25 Sorry to interrupt , but we have a warning to finish . Yeah . 1327.1 1328.64 1329.25 ES2016a C MEE063 2 1326.367 1326.957 1326.4 1326.957 Um - ES2016a A MEE061 0 1327.856 1338.512 1327.88 1338.512 Are we out of time ? Okay , well , just to finish up , should we s go with this plan , start making some 1331.26 1331.91 1334.1 1334.72 1337.0 ES2016a B MEO062 1 1328.655 1329.12 1328.8 1329.06 Mm . 1329.06 ES2016a A MEE061 0 1349.168 1350.816 1349.28 1350.6 Are good ideas , what are not . 1350.05 1350.6 ES2016a B MEO062 1 1351.024 1352.402 1351.04 1352.402 Let's . Obviously 1351.66 ES2016a C MEE063 2 1350.985 1354.64 1351.09 1354.44 Does it say what does it say for n it says on there what we need to do for the next meeting , I think . 1354.14 1354.44 ES2016a A MEE061 0 1354.56 1355.504 1354.59 1355.45 Uh . 1355.45 ES2016a A MEE061 0 1357.712 1364.912 1357.77 1364.88 Must finish now , so . And then marketing will look and see what uh what people want . 1359.25 1360.86 1364.88 ES2016a C MEE063 2 1357.809 1358.46 1357.93 1358.1 T - ES2016a D FEE064 3 1364.314 1364.8 1364.45 1364.62 Mm . 1364.62 ES2016a B MEO062 1 1366.016 1366.4 1366.11 1366.34 Alright . 1366.34 ES2016a D FEE064 3 1367.504 1368.16 1367.52 1368.08 Great . 1368.08 ES2016a A MEE061 0 1369.51 1381.76 1369.66 1381.7 Okay . And Project Manager will design a better meeting for next time around , be a little bit more prepared . And uh alright , good meeting . 1370.94 1374.71 1378.58 1379.98 1381.7 ES2016b A MEE061 0 15.351 16.878 15.351 16.82 Oh . 16.82 ES2016b C MEE063 2 24.846 26.056 25.54 25.96 Du - ES2016b A MEE061 0 45.775 47.792 46.21 47.68 Okay . 47.68 ES2016b A MEE061 0 50.432 58.864 50.47 58.73 Thanks for coming to this meeting . S how we doing on our remote ? We have some we have some ideas and some uh 51.95 55.0 ES2016b D FEE064 3 50.346 51.392 50.65 51.02 Hm . 51.02 ES2016b A MEE061 0 60.269 62.828 60.39 62.56 ideas for what people want . 62.56 ES2016b C MEE063 2 63.875 70.575 64.21 70.43 Uh we yes s I've lo I've done the role that I was asked to do anyway . I think . 69.28 70.43 ES2016b A MEE061 0 68.321 83.595 68.61 83.39 Yeah . Alright let's just go over the agenda real quick for this meeting . See if I can't get things uh moving along here a little bit better . Um I'll go over what we went over last time , which shouldn't take long . 72.4 75.09 78.88 82.31 83.39 ES2016b A MEE061 0 83.595 104.694 83.77 104.48 Then I believe each of you have a presentation . Um I've was sent a a couple more requirements for our remote , what they want . Um then we can come to a conclusion on uh what we want the remote to do , um and how it's going to do it hopefully . 86.78 92.15 93.77 102.44 104.48 ES2016b A MEE061 0 104.694 116.88 105.19 116.71 And uh then we'll have the closing . Um which we'll have forty minutes for . Uh let's see , the last meeting we went over um 109.07 113.25 114.48 ES2016b A MEE061 0 118.24 143.408 118.24 143.37 who was responsible for what . I'm responsible for leading the meetings , keeping the notes , uh and coming up with the final presentation . Um Corinne is our Marketing Expert . She's gonna figure out what what um the consumer wants . Um Ryan is our User Interface Designer . 121.02 124.13 125.19 129.57 133.0 139.56 143.37 ES2016b A MEE061 0 144.608 164.398 144.65 164.13 And Manuel is the Industrial Designer . So you're gonna come up with the ideas Ryan , and you're gonna pick 'em apart . Um we decided our remote , uh we want it to be a universal remote uh that everyone would want . 149.33 151.58 155.34 158.04 164.13 ES2016b A MEE061 0 164.398 183.888 165.07 183.84 Um we want to be modern , um fun , different . Uh it needs to be sturdy , um easy to find , so we gonna have that locator function . Um and we want to be different . 167.41 169.34 170.38 172.63 174.88 178.92 183.84 ES2016b A MEE061 0 185.84 201.184 185.87 201.14 Um and then we went over a couple of different ideas . Ball-shaped phone . The keyboard shape . Um we decided that it should probably be one-handed . Something we could use with one hand . Um and that was our last meeting . 188.78 190.11 191.4 195.25 197.65 201.14 ES2016b A MEE061 0 202.384 209.984 202.52 209.66 So um why don't um Do each of you have a presentation ? 209.66 ES2016b D FEE064 3 209.399 210.443 209.7 210.24 Yep . 210.24 ES2016b A MEE061 0 210.933 214.544 211.18 214.544 Okay . I'll hand it off to you and um 211.63 ES2016b A MEE061 0 215.849 223.376 216.24 223.12 Does anyone do you wanna go first ? So we can maybe see what uh what the people want . 219.25 223.12 ES2016b D FEE064 3 218.456 219.332 218.64 219.06 Sure . 219.06 ES2016b D FEE064 3 229.145 230.761 229.35 230.5 What was it ? Function ? 229.78 230.5 ES2016b B MEO062 1 231.059 232.709 231.26 232.32 Eight . F_ eight . 231.86 232.32 ES2016b D FEE064 3 231.737 232.579 231.83 232.5 F_ eight ? 232.5 ES2016b D FEE064 3 254.48 255.254 254.67 254.94 Well . 254.94 ES2016b D FEE064 3 260.911 262.392 261.21 262.392 How do I get it - ES2016b C MEE063 2 263.776 264.943 263.93 264.65 Slide show . 264.65 ES2016b A MEE061 0 264.576 268.4 264.6 268.37 To go to the next one ? Yeah you click on that guy . Yeah . 266.22 268.18 268.37 ES2016b D FEE064 3 264.85 266.298 265.07 266.24 Oh right right right . 266.24 ES2016b D FEE064 3 267.241 269.598 267.45 268.96 That one ? Okay . 268.19 268.96 ES2016b D FEE064 3 270.518 286.8 270.7 286.1 Alright . Well , this is my report , which is going to be based pretty much on a survey that I was sent . Oh gosh , I've no idea . G 271.99 272.46 275.23 283.28 283.73 285.68 ES2016b C MEE063 2 287.554 290.214 287.73 289.81 Just press the arrow keys I think . Usually goes to it . 288.96 289.81 ES2016b D FEE064 3 289.036 291.764 289.18 291.44 Okay . Sorry I actually need 290.15 ES2016b D FEE064 3 292.976 295.097 293.27 294.86 to see something else on my screen . 294.86 ES2016b A MEE061 0 299.244 300.288 299.34 300.14 Hit F_ eight again . 300.14 ES2016b D FEE064 3 300.432 301.106 300.55 300.88 Yeah . 300.88 ES2016b A MEE061 0 301.13 302.073 301.33 301.81 I think . 301.81 ES2016b D FEE064 3 302.096 304.001 302.12 303.85 And then ? Again ? 303.37 303.85 ES2016b A MEE061 0 304.531 305.44 304.82 305.11 Yeah . 305.11 ES2016b A MEE061 0 307.425 310.792 307.74 310.5 You want it to be on both screens , or just just yours ? 308.94 310.5 ES2016b D FEE064 3 308.681 311.24 309.04 310.86 No I want something else on mine . 310.86 ES2016b D FEE064 3 312.351 313.833 312.77 313.49 Is that possible ? 313.49 ES2016b A MEE061 0 313.587 317.223 313.95 317.02 Yeah but I think you have to hit escape . 317.02 ES2016b A MEE061 0 318.956 320.539 319.14 320.539 And then you can - ES2016b A MEE061 0 322.054 322.828 322.37 322.77 Yeah . 322.77 ES2016b D FEE064 3 322.452 324.237 322.66 324.15 Okay but now you don't have that . 324.15 ES2016b A MEE061 0 323.805 325.118 324.01 324.91 Oh hit F_ eight again . 324.91 ES2016b D FEE064 3 324.977 326.897 324.977 326.59 Sorry guys . 326.59 ES2016b A MEE061 0 326.529 328.381 326.55 328.381 I know . I did the same thing . 326.86 327.91 ES2016b A MEE061 0 329.391 331.21 329.51 330.88 And then it should come up - ES2016b A MEE061 0 332.152 333.297 332.24 332.88 here shortly . 332.88 ES2016b A MEE061 0 334.408 335.048 334.57 334.9 'Kay . 334.9 ES2016b D FEE064 3 344.511 347.34 344.77 347.17 So is there no way I can give you the slideshow and - ES2016b A MEE061 0 346.443 355.164 346.65 354.89 I think oh give us the slideshow and something on your screen ? Mm . I'm not sure . You could maybe minimise that screen and then 351.65 352.32 353.14 ES2016b D FEE064 3 348.128 352.188 348.23 351.96 have something yeah . Yeah . Oh well . 350.3 351.51 351.96 ES2016b D FEE064 3 356.161 357.07 356.42 356.71 Yeah . 356.71 ES2016b A MEE061 0 356.308 359.069 356.51 358.72 have them both up at the same time I think . 358.72 ES2016b D FEE064 3 357.92 373.469 357.94 373.3 It's okay . Okay . Um so first of all , the method that I used was by doing some marketing research , by um doing research on some interviews that were conducted . And then some internet research . 359.6 360.19 361.47 366.51 371.42 373.3 ES2016b D FEE064 3 373.469 402.937 373.68 402.79 And I was sent a report that was I think there were a hundred remote users that they interviewed . And so I will show you some of the results from that , which I think will be helpful . Um okay here are some of the findings . They said that the users dislike the look and feel of their current remote controls . And seventy five percent of the users find their remote controls to be ugly . Which is a fairly significant number I would say . 381.13 383.89 386.1 389.51 394.54 399.24 402.79 ES2016b D FEE064 3 402.937 417.633 403.04 417.48 And eighty percent of the users would be willing to spend more money if they could get a remote that would look fancy . So I think that earlier we were onto something when we were talking about having it be a modern cool look , I think that's definitely important . 409.74 415.65 417.48 ES2016b D FEE064 3 417.633 436.738 418.03 436.738 Um they say that current remote controls do not match well the operating behaviour of the user . Seventy five percent of users said they zap a lot . And if anyone could clarify what that means ? Zap , does that just mean like changing the channel ? Okay . 424.87 428.6 432.56 433.0 435.38 436.59 ES2016b C MEE063 2 432.466 435.799 432.68 435.61 Is is it j just just just using it yeah . 435.61 ES2016b B MEO062 1 432.979 436.336 432.979 436.09 Just jus yeah . 436.09 ES2016b D FEE064 3 436.738 461.704 436.98 461.55 Um and fifty percent of the users say that they're only using ten percent of the buttons on their remote control . And there was something else , they kept track of the frequency per hour in using certain buttons . And some of them it looks like barely need to be included at all . Of course channel selection is used the most frequently . 444.75 447.12 454.06 458.31 461.55 ES2016b D FEE064 3 461.704 480.864 462.12 480.62 And then teletext was the next . Volume and then power . And then audio settings and screen settings and channel settings were practically never used . So I think we could definitely eliminate or somehow combine a lot of the functions into one button . 465.04 467.88 473.44 480.62 ES2016b D FEE064 3 483.36 501.936 483.38 501.9 Um the biggest user frustrations , as we said fifty percent of people find that their remotes are lost somewhere , and so I think a tracking device of some sort would be a good idea . They said it take thirty four percent said it takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote . 487.26 491.93 496.23 501.9 ES2016b D FEE064 3 502.928 507.744 502.95 507.61 And twenty six percent said that the controls are bad for R_S_I_ . 507.61 ES2016b C MEE063 2 509.747 511.565 509.94 511.31 A repetitive strain injury . 511.31 ES2016b D FEE064 3 511.402 512.682 511.77 512.51 What is it ? 512.51 ES2016b C MEE063 2 512.357 515.354 512.46 515.21 Just repetitive strain injury . I think . That's what I guess . 513.94 514.49 515.21 ES2016b D FEE064 3 514.08 552.608 514.1 552.48 Okay . Okay . And so bas okay . Um as far as speech recognition goes , um the younger group looks like they're all for it . From the fifteen to twenty five age group over ninety percent said they would pay more . And it kind of just went down incrementally . The groups at the older they get it looks like the less willing they are to pay , so maybe we could discuss this and think and decide if we think it's worth investing in this . At least if we're targeting the younger groups . 515.26 518.49 520.8 525.25 528.77 534.55 538.08 543.04 549.87 552.48 ES2016b D FEE064 3 554.032 576.816 554.23 576.68 And so in conclusion . Some things that I drew from this are that I think we were correct . We definitely need to focus on a new modern appearance , since so many people seem to be concerned about the ugliness of their remote control . Um a multifunctional remote could be a good thing to explore . So you only have one rather than five different remotes sitting all over your room . 556.24 560.09 563.34 568.65 572.26 576.68 ES2016b D FEE064 3 576.816 589.664 577.28 589.57 Uh we need to simplify the remote and reduce the number of buttons , get rid of the ones that don't seem to be serving much purpose . And then lastly I thought that maybe we could discuss the idea of speech recognition . 580.9 585.74 589.57 ES2016b D FEE064 3 590.92 592.334 591.15 591.89 And that's it . 591.89 ES2016b A MEE061 0 600.995 613.264 601.23 613.264 'Kay . Very nice . Now we actually have some ideas of what what people want , what we should focus on . Uh 602.36 603.63 607.9 612.12 ES2016b A MEE061 0 622.621 625.921 623.15 625.85 Wait can I look at that real quick ? . 625.85 625.85 ES2016b D FEE064 3 624.032 625.043 624.36 624.69 Oh yeah . 624.69 ES2016b D FEE064 3 625.884 630.576 625.98 630.52 Sorry did you guys get time to write everything that you needed ? 'Kay . 629.63 630.52 ES2016b C MEE063 2 628.582 629.659 628.85 629.26 Yeah . 629.26 ES2016b C MEE063 2 633.152 641.04 633.32 640.97 Having just listened to what Corinne just said , I'll draw on some of the things as well . Some things that sort of relevant to what I wanna say . 635.46 638.02 640.97 ES2016b C MEE063 2 641.987 645.791 642.24 645.61 'Kay so I'm just gonna yeah approach the technical functions design . 645.61 ES2016b C MEE063 2 648.699 668.458 648.79 668.29 Um the method I used was to explore the uh technical functions of a remote control . And t s simplest approach that I came to is is to change , programme and operate an electronic device remotely . I mean that's an obvious thing to say , but it's not attached to the device that you want to control . 655.88 659.26 663.2 664.33 668.29 ES2016b C MEE063 2 668.458 708.122 668.81 708.03 Um I had some things sent to me . Not very much . To look at similar devices . Um defined in some them . And then the personal preferences that I will suggest . Um we discussed a universal one . Um like it's just been brought up again then . But I think a universal remote control is actually quite a difficult object to design , and po possibly within maybe the budget that we do it , um because you'd need to know all the spef specifications of a all the like electronic companies . I'm not sure have you ever come across a universal remote control yourself , 670.93 672.05 673.95 676.42 680.98 684.22 688.18 694.74 699.06 705.46 708.03 ES2016b C MEE063 2 708.122 735.888 708.39 735.888 but you have to i they're a nightmare to use . You have to set them , reset them to everything . Um and that would only add buttons . Whereas I think the aim is to take away buttons . So I think it'd be better maybe to concentrate on maybe just a universal one for T_V_s . Um or maybe just one that you could we could design and then different people , manufacturers could use it to set to their specifications , if if the aim is to get something that's unique in design . Um 710.73 711.52 712.9 715.31 717.96 723.33 728.54 731.56 735.11 ES2016b C MEE063 2 737.472 761.408 737.57 761.408 Okay here here's just two pictures of remote controls . They're just simple T_V_ remote controls . But one is uh user-centred . That is the one on the left . And you can straight away see there's less buttons . And the other one is engineer-centred where that's more uh specified for the sort of the elaborate piece of equipment it's trying to control um 742.49 744.87 747.88 749.86 752.19 ES2016b C MEE063 2 763.29 772.5 763.29 772.33 which appeals more to the product that we want , and on what the have said and the market research and stuff probably looking at something that should be user-centred . 766.28 772.33 ES2016b C MEE063 2 772.5 794.293 772.77 793.14 Fewer buttons , simpler to use , and if ten percent um is hidden away if ten percent is what's used , maybe the other fifty percent , the buttons that are used very rarely like programming , they could be hidden maybe under some remote controls you might have come across have maybe a little flip thi thing where they're hidden away . And the main buttons are the ones you or the ones you come across . 773.83 774.5 778.56 779.96 782.47 790.41 793.14 ES2016b C MEE063 2 794.293 801.902 794.44 801.902 Um and finally , um uh sort I've sort of covered that , our product I think should be user interface orientated . Um 796.44 798.06 801.29 ES2016b C MEE063 2 803.04 824.87 803.44 824.71 Like I said to concentrate on T_V_ remote control , a universal remote might be too complex . Um and as what it , the major findings market researchers have said , it's the image and the appearance that people di dislike . So that we should concentrate on something that would set a trend . And then and change the fashion of remote controls . 805.39 808.45 812.52 815.34 818.64 821.9 824.71 ES2016b C MEE063 2 826.168 827.504 826.45 827.16 And that's it . 827.16 ES2016b B MEO062 1 839.296 842.72 839.296 842.02 cable there . Thank you . 841.22 842.02 ES2016b A MEE061 0 848.589 852.357 848.84 852.21 What was your last conclusion on that one ? Focus on uh the i 850.51 ES2016b C MEE063 2 851.744 855.367 852.0 855.26 On something on the image of it . Uh the f the actual design . 853.51 855.26 ES2016b A MEE061 0 853.198 854.04 853.36 853.95 the image of it . 853.95 ES2016b A MEE061 0 855.232 857.374 855.36 857.2 'Kay . Good . Good . 856.44 856.77 857.2 ES2016b B MEO062 1 907.067 932.016 907.09 931.93 Okay . Gonna talk to you about the working design of the interiors basically which is what dictates the design the both the interface basically and the outer appearance because this is all the stuff that needs to go in there . Right . So unfortunately the people who were supposed to 909.31 927.31 928.59 ES2016b B MEO062 1 933.344 943.936 933.5 943.936 do this little presentation for me obviously were too drunk to actually accomplish it , so um I'm going to do a lot of the stuff on the board . Um just 938.37 942.06 ES2016b B MEO062 1 945.297 946.896 945.53 946.84 This is the basic - ES2016b B MEO062 1 947.952 971.408 948.1 971.37 basic premise of a remote control . Um the basic function is to send messages to another system . Okay so much is clear . An energy source feeds an integrated circuit , like a chip , that can compose messages . Often in the form of infrared bits . This is the most mostly used . Um there's uh also some sound systems but infrared is 950.46 954.22 956.97 959.67 960.37 962.56 965.02 967.43 ES2016b B MEO062 1 972.832 983.824 972.85 983.64 the better or the more more used system . Um parts are cheaper as well . A user interface controls the chip and accordingly the messages . 977.44 979.6 983.64 ES2016b B MEO062 1 984.905 1007.36 984.99 1007.18 This is where my people screwed up basically . So I'm going to explain that on the board rather . Um what we have is different components that obviously need to go in there . We'll start with an energy source . Right . Um which is usually a battery right ? 987.97 991.45 999.1 1002.91 1003.38 1007.18 ES2016b B MEO062 1 1008.464 1017.744 1008.464 1017.51 Since it's not feasible to add a cable to that . This energy source of course is connected to 1013.65 ES2016b B MEO062 1 1019.216 1020.649 1019.37 1020.54 the - ES2016b B MEO062 1 1022.848 1032.0 1022.98 1031.95 the user interface itself . Uh which can be buttons , whatever , which in fact 1027.36 1029.93 1031.0 ES2016b B MEO062 1 1034.176 1049.104 1034.2 1048.87 controls a chip . Right ? This is the user interface and there we have the chip . Um the way this goes normally is that this chip then controls an infrared lamp . 1036.93 1038.54 1043.04 1048.87 ES2016b B MEO062 1 1050.619 1052.505 1050.67 1052.19 That sends out the signal . 1052.19 ES2016b B MEO062 1 1056.912 1064.48 1056.97 1064.48 Of course the signal differs accordingly . Um depending on what the chip tells the infrared lan lamp . And 1060.05 1063.86 ES2016b B MEO062 1 1065.76 1076.864 1065.82 1076.81 Of course that's controlled , the chip itself is controlled by the user interface . The way you normally normally do it is that you add a little device such as a lamp 1067.52 1070.98 ES2016b B MEO062 1 1077.92 1084.016 1078.04 1083.91 to the whole thing as well , so that you know that it's working basically . You press something , you get a response . 1079.1 1082.0 1082.92 1083.91 ES2016b B MEO062 1 1084.974 1090.327 1085.14 1090.23 Which is also comparatively um important on one of those devices . 1090.23 ES2016b B MEO062 1 1091.464 1099.792 1091.94 1099.65 Now this , what we're talking about here , or what I think should be discussed are these two components mostly . The 1092.88 1094.11 1099.37 ES2016b B MEO062 1 1101.312 1136.119 1101.35 1135.85 the uh energy source for one thing can be altered . What we probably cannot alter is of course the infrared , the sending device basically , the infrared lamp . We cannot change the chip which controls the infrared lamp . Right ? These two are components that we have to use , and these are dictated by the whole function of the whole thing . Um the lamp can be put onto the desi the device . It c it doesn't have to be there . This can be discussed as well . 1105.41 1112.14 1113.49 1114.65 1119.38 1119.66 1122.96 1127.86 1131.49 1134.16 1135.85 ES2016b B MEO062 1 1138.907 1146.146 1138.907 1146.09 The user interface . That's something we can also discuss . Um as we've heard 1141.96 1144.81 ES2016b B MEO062 1 1147.122 1151.552 1147.14 1151.32 uh speech recognition is the hype obviously in the moment . 1151.32 ES2016b B MEO062 1 1152.56 1172.32 1152.58 1172.2 Speech recognition um interface , we don't know that . Or if we just do the usual button thing . Or we have a touch pad or something like that that's something we can discuss . And of course the energy source . Batteries . Solar cells . Who knows ? 1156.59 1157.17 1160.66 1165.81 1168.68 1170.39 1171.57 1172.2 ES2016b B MEO062 1 1177.507 1191.104 1177.69 1191.04 Of course it's always a question whether these these components are in fact available cheap enough , developed enough . But that's like I s I suppose rather up to marketing , and not to 1185.63 1187.26 1190.53 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1193.214 1198.736 1193.51 1198.736 So we could the the the more complex we make it of course , the more expensive 1197.18 ES2016b B MEO062 1 1193.818 1196.108 1194.05 1196.04 to the industrial design department . 1196.04 ES2016b B MEO062 1 1197.488 1200.464 1197.73 1200.31 Expensive it's gonna be get uh . Yeah . 1199.6 1200.31 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1200.336 1209.51 1200.63 1209.33 But people have said that they would well younger generations of people have said that they would pay more for a speech recognition remote . So 1208.83 ES2016b D FEE064 3 1207.066 1208.211 1207.37 1208.1 Mm-hmm . 1208.1 ES2016b B MEO062 1 1209.936 1210.62 1210.13 1210.45 Right . 1210.45 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1210.333 1213.094 1210.42 1213.01 possibly it might be worth the investment . 1213.01 ES2016b C MEE063 2 1212.937 1214.957 1213.12 1214.81 I think speech recognition was - ES2016b C MEE063 2 1216.328 1224.304 1216.67 1224.27 uh one of those things where um they have to be really good for them to work . 'Cause sometimes you find yourself just saying things over and o if it's on your phone . 1220.78 1224.27 ES2016b D FEE064 3 1222.829 1223.941 1223.03 1223.941 Yeah . 1223.66 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1224.083 1225.126 1224.36 1224.88 I agree . 1224.88 ES2016b C MEE063 2 1225.892 1232.424 1226.01 1232.25 And you need to sort of take into light languages and then different dialects I suppose as well . 1232.25 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1225.931 1226.874 1226.07 1226.874 Well - ES2016b A MEE061 0 1232.88 1252.601 1233.28 1252.47 I myself I find , when you , h when there's something like spee speech recognition . Like uh you call on the phone and you try to change your telephone or power or something . Sometimes they have a a speech recognition on the other end , and you say one for this , and you find yours , like you said , saying the same thing over and over and over . 1234.82 1236.3 1238.51 1243.36 1246.19 1249.35 1250.09 1250.73 1252.47 ES2016b C MEE063 2 1245.017 1246.195 1245.47 1245.71 Yeah . 1245.71 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1252.601 1261.488 1252.69 1261.45 I find myself , especially if I'm in a crowd of people , looking really silly . So maybe if you're sitting on your couch with a bunch of people then 1254.43 1255.83 1257.78 ES2016b C MEE063 2 1256.884 1257.726 1257.14 1257.44 Yeah . 1257.44 ES2016b C MEE063 2 1262.944 1269.712 1263.06 1269.712 And wou I don't know if would would you want to keep saying stuff if you were watching stuff . If you were watching something would you sort of be wanting 1267.51 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1263.061 1265.494 1263.11 1265.494 you know , you 1263.4 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1269.357 1276.192 1269.65 1275.98 Volume up . Volume down . Change the channel , you know channel up , channel down ? I I don't know . 1270.53 1272.09 1272.97 1273.68 1274.59 1275.98 ES2016b C MEE063 2 1270.948 1271.589 1271.01 1271.32 Yeah . 1271.32 ES2016b D FEE064 3 1276.459 1290.512 1276.69 1290.48 Another thing about these figures is ninety one percent of the youngest age groups said they'd do it , but probably a lot of them that's actually their parents money . Like I don't know if they would actually go out and purchase this themselves , a fifteen year old you know . 1282.06 1286.26 1289.35 1290.48 ES2016b C MEE063 2 1288.616 1289.66 1288.89 1289.66 I think - ES2016b C MEE063 2 1290.266 1296.224 1290.44 1296.224 As well it'd be j the gimmick factor for the younger people . But practically I don't think it's 1295.1 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1292.721 1293.63 1292.88 1293.5 Mm-hmm . 1293.5 ES2016b D FEE064 3 1293.236 1294.112 1293.42 1293.86 Yeah . 1293.86 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1295.616 1299.488 1295.8 1299.488 It's a , it's a gimmick factor that they like at first , and 1296.1 1298.95 ES2016b C MEE063 2 1298.852 1300.468 1299.0 1300.25 Yeah . It'll wear off . 1299.56 1300.25 ES2016b D FEE064 3 1300.224 1301.456 1300.3 1301.41 Gets old yeah . 1301.41 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1305.817 1308.174 1306.06 1308.174 Okay . Um 1307.01 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1309.757 1311.306 1309.93 1311.04 Let's see here . 1311.04 ES2016b C MEE063 2 1310.584 1313.547 1310.6 1313.35 Do you wanna put your cord back in ? 1313.35 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1313.023 1314.706 1313.62 1314.44 Yeah I guess so . 1314.44 ES2016b B MEO062 1 1313.778 1315.456 1314.33 1315.456 Oh right . 1315.39 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1315.648 1317.184 1315.67 1316.34 Trade you . 1316.34 ES2016b B MEO062 1 1316.135 1319.239 1316.135 1319.239 go . 1318.82 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1318.688 1320.7 1318.8 1320.55 Now I was sent a couple of - ES2016b A MEE061 0 1323.584 1365.952 1323.63 1365.952 things to modify our uh new requirements . Um the remote's only gonna be for the television , which is good because we already decided y your your research showed that uh not only is a universal remote more complicated , it's more cost , more costly . And your re uh research showed that you know most of the people don't even use it . I think uh you said fifty percent of the people only use half the or ten percent of the buttons . So if we remove the universal remote then that solves that problem . Um no teletext . Um 1331.54 1334.24 1342.79 1344.53 1345.6 1350.54 1357.15 1362.58 1365.17 ES2016b D FEE064 3 1350.554 1351.396 1350.74 1351.3 Mm . 1351.3 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1367.456 1385.024 1367.48 1384.96 So we don't have to worry about that . Um but we do have to use the the company wants us to incorporate the corporate colour and our slogan , which is we put the fashion in electronics . And our corporate colours are grey and yellow . 1369.47 1378.14 1382.02 1384.96 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1388.261 1391.536 1388.71 1391.536 And we could probably get away with black too but - ES2016b A MEE061 0 1395.505 1401.984 1395.78 1401.93 So those are the three um the three new requirements that that I was told - ES2016b A MEE061 0 1402.979 1413.451 1403.16 1413.451 we need to use . Um from all all three of your uh presentations , I think that we were on the right track a lot in our last meeting . Um 1405.22 1408.75 1412.76 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1415.493 1424.954 1415.73 1424.954 We want something that looks good . Um we want something that's simple . We want something that you can find easily . Um 1417.58 1420.26 1423.92 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1427.792 1439.536 1427.88 1439.46 And the speech recognition I I guess is kind of uh give or take . It's gonna cost more . S the young the younger people say that they like it . But um it's 1432.15 1434.2 1436.88 ES2016b B MEO062 1 1434.079 1434.973 1434.35 1434.94 Mm-hmm . 1434.94 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1440.449 1450.651 1440.63 1450.651 probably , I would say , probably not worth the investment at this point in time . So maybe we should just do away with speech recognition . Um 1441.75 1442.06 1445.5 1449.88 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1452.332 1456.171 1452.6 1455.96 And that way we can focus on our form . 1455.96 ES2016b C MEE063 2 1456.976 1465.008 1457.0 1464.88 I did have have a thought about the sort of the tracking thing . Is that if it came with maybe a holder 1461.85 ES2016b C MEE063 2 1466.128 1480.848 1466.17 1480.81 or holster , whatever you wanna call it . Um that you you should put it back in . Your remote . But if you don't put it back in , you press something like a little button on that , and that just sort of sends out a beep to find where it is or something . Just by infrared . That shouldn't be too complex I would've thought . 1466.66 1467.48 1470.59 1471.53 1472.81 1474.63 1477.88 1479.03 1480.81 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1482.496 1486.255 1482.71 1486.12 That'd be , that'd be good if we were going with our our ball . 1483.39 1486.12 ES2016b C MEE063 2 1486.024 1488.077 1486.33 1488.077 Yeah it would be quite good . The ball could sit on a 1486.96 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1487.216 1505.92 1487.24 1505.92 Or or with you know I guess with any form that that would be good . You know that could be the charger . For you know we could use rechargeable batteries in the remote . And that would be or solar . Or you know However , however you wanted to go about it , the holder could also be the charging unit . Um 1490.29 1493.05 1497.15 1499.58 1501.46 1502.56 1505.34 ES2016b D FEE064 3 1488.232 1489.264 1488.55 1489.18 Mm . 1489.18 ES2016b C MEE063 2 1492.908 1493.817 1493.32 1493.61 Yeah . 1493.61 ES2016b C MEE063 2 1504.659 1505.232 1504.8 1505.03 Yeah . 1505.03 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1506.863 1508.547 1507.21 1508.23 With the locator button . 1508.23 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1509.523 1513.9 1509.73 1513.79 Um and if it were the ball you'd no longer have to have a flat space on it . 1513.79 ES2016b C MEE063 2 1513.968 1514.727 1514.01 1514.41 Yeah . 1514.41 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1515.696 1519.792 1515.78 1519.792 Um like if we still have the how to hold on to it and - ES2016b B MEO062 1 1516.317 1518.843 1516.4 1518.843 Well you still do . You s you still 1517.93 ES2016b B MEO062 1 1520.417 1527.184 1520.86 1527.14 W yeah . You put it on t on the couch table . While you're watching , it's gonna roll off . So that's not an issue really . 1521.4 1523.06 1523.79 1524.97 1527.14 ES2016b D FEE064 3 1522.924 1525.146 1522.924 1525.01 Rolls away yeah . 1525.01 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1523.35 1525.136 1523.35 1524.9 It's gonna roll away . 1524.9 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1547.162 1548.56 1547.45 1548.56 Um - ES2016b A MEE061 0 1551.088 1556.544 1551.11 1556.35 So I guess after the meeting we'll have some questionnaires . And uh 1555.54 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1558.492 1567.712 1558.82 1567.65 and some summaries for for what's going on . Um then we'll take lunch . Then we can come back and uh work on our individual work . 1561.6 1564.07 1567.65 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1568.816 1569.648 1568.87 1569.648 Um - ES2016b A MEE061 0 1571.392 1572.912 1571.56 1572.81 I'll do the minutes . 1572.81 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1577.594 1579.749 1577.86 1579.39 Uh let's see . 1579.39 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1584.352 1587.19 1584.48 1587.09 It looks like you're already on your way for uh - ES2016b A MEE061 0 1588.2 1595.405 1588.34 1594.81 working with the components . Um chips , the what chips we need and what uh 1590.74 1592.58 ES2016b B MEO062 1 1593.431 1594.234 1593.431 1594.234 . 1594.234 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1598.402 1601.129 1598.75 1601.06 you know how to power it and whatnot . 1601.06 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1605.32 1608.451 1605.44 1608.21 User interface concept , we want it to be something simple . 1606.88 1608.21 ES2016b C MEE063 2 1608.623 1609.398 1608.8 1609.17 Yeah . 1609.17 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1609.36 1610.235 1609.59 1610.235 Um - ES2016b A MEE061 0 1611.2 1612.816 1611.22 1612.75 Minimal number of buttons . 1612.75 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1617.216 1620.288 1617.33 1620.15 I guess our , I guess our main um 1617.8 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1622.121 1629.495 1622.33 1629.3 main thing that we should focus on until then is probably deciding on a certain look , you know . 1629.02 1629.3 ES2016b C MEE063 2 1630.49 1631.568 1630.85 1631.23 Yeah . 1631.23 ES2016b B MEO062 1 1632.896 1633.738 1633.02 1633.41 Right . 1633.41 ES2016b B MEO062 1 1634.43 1635.238 1634.61 1635.238 That's - ES2016b A MEE061 0 1636.724 1646.051 1636.92 1645.87 Did you have time earlier to to work on that . Did you guys feel you have enough time in between our meetings to get everything done that you need to get done ? 1640.09 1645.87 ES2016b D FEE064 3 1642.648 1645.595 1642.648 1645.595 Not really . 1645.43 ES2016b C MEE063 2 1647.696 1652.88 1647.77 1652.74 I'll yeah I'll have a look , try look at the actual appearance in the next break . 1648.7 1652.74 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1655.882 1656.791 1656.08 1656.32 'Kay . 1656.32 ES2016b C MEE063 2 1655.958 1667.328 1656.08 1667.19 I th I I do still think it needs to be something that is ultimately one-handed . The ball is probably not a good idea . And even something that's held like that might be difficult . So that I think it still has to be a variation . 1660.36 1661.41 1664.99 1667.19 ES2016b D FEE064 3 1660.283 1660.815 1660.52 1660.76 Mm . 1660.76 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1664.281 1665.258 1664.44 1664.78 Mm-hmm . 1664.78 ES2016b C MEE063 2 1668.483 1669.291 1668.51 1669.15 On maybe a - ES2016b C MEE063 2 1670.544 1672.995 1670.59 1672.92 a rect on a rectangle but maybe not necessarily as - ES2016b C MEE063 2 1673.971 1676.295 1674.07 1676.19 boring , as plain as a rectangle . 1674.93 1676.19 ES2016b D FEE064 3 1674.747 1675.466 1675.05 1675.42 Mm . 1675.42 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1678.544 1679.696 1678.57 1679.696 Um - ES2016b A MEE061 0 1681.184 1684.753 1681.43 1684.6 Shall we maybe shoot for a a specific uh target group ? 1684.6 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1686.048 1687.584 1686.08 1687.48 That way we could l I mean - ES2016b A MEE061 0 1688.976 1700.432 1689.04 1700.37 if it were , if we were shooting for young guys then it's um a certain look to the remote . Or girls or older people ? 1689.97 1696.62 1700.37 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1701.584 1702.448 1701.6 1702.448 Um - ES2016b A MEE061 0 1704.016 1707.843 1704.08 1707.8 Would that you think that would help us find um a specific form ? 1707.8 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1708.988 1710.772 1709.12 1710.69 That we would would wanna pick out ? 1710.69 ES2016b C MEE063 2 1713.151 1720.192 1713.34 1720.06 D I don't know if that might cope with like the trend-watching . I find anything more on that . 1718.69 1720.06 ES2016b D FEE064 3 1718.243 1719.287 1718.48 1719.0 Mm . 1719.0 ES2016b D FEE064 3 1721.2 1726.223 1721.54 1726.05 Yeah not yet but maybe by the next meeting we'll have some info on that . 1726.05 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1731.225 1732.471 1731.54 1732.11 'Kay . 1732.11 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1741.248 1742.352 1741.57 1741.98 So - ES2016b A MEE061 0 1743.344 1764.512 1743.52 1764.512 um we know that the remote's gonna have to be we'll just say we've got a colour scheme for it . Um yellow and you know yellow it's nice and bright , with the buttons being grey or black . And our slogan pasted somewhere on it , on the the bottom or the you know . Um 1749.18 1753.46 1755.87 1759.36 1763.4 ES2016b C MEE063 2 1748.356 1749.433 1748.72 1749.02 Yeah . 1749.02 ES2016b B MEO062 1 1753.456 1754.254 1753.7 1754.11 Mm . 1754.11 ES2016b C MEE063 2 1760.863 1762.546 1761.2 1762.32 Bottom perhaps yeah . 1762.32 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1772.569 1777.872 1772.8 1777.36 Maybe we could sketch a so basically - ES2016b A MEE061 0 1780.8 1810.887 1781.31 1810.887 all of our remotes all of our typical remotes now are just kind of a rectangular sort . You know . Um maybe we could flare it or something . You know . So it's more of course this will look like a bone then . go ahead and erase this . Um 1786.7 1789.4 1793.54 1794.2 1806.73 1809.79 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1818.126 1822.288 1818.45 1822.288 Hope everyone memorised that uh - ES2016b C MEE063 2 1820.704 1835.696 1820.79 1835.6 You I mean it might be to look at sort of the the shape and trend of like things like mobile phones , and the shapes that the they've been going . They've gone from big brick block things , which is a remote control is , to sort of slinky small things . 1826.7 1829.36 1831.19 1833.78 1835.6 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1827.924 1829.81 1828.32 1829.59 Yeah . Yeah . 1828.89 1829.59 ES2016b D FEE064 3 1828.58 1829.326 1828.81 1829.22 Mm . 1829.22 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1835.76 1843.075 1835.86 1843.075 Yeah everybody's got a mobile phone right ? Except for me now . Uh 1838.71 1841.99 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1847.784 1871.552 1847.93 1871.552 But they are all , you know , mobile phones um they've kind of taken a turn to where they're really small . Um which may defeat our purpose for being able to locate our remote all the time . But then again you don't want you know like the first mobile phone that was this big and you had a handbag to carry it around in . Um 1849.19 1849.46 1854.71 1861.05 1870.57 ES2016b C MEE063 2 1853.997 1854.873 1854.29 1854.72 Yeah . 1854.72 ES2016b D FEE064 3 1857.545 1858.255 1857.66 1857.86 Mm . 1857.86 ES2016b B MEO062 1 1859.351 1860.159 1859.55 1859.91 Right . 1859.91 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1873.92 1876.78 1874.11 1876.48 So we've got basically what - ES2016b A MEE061 0 1877.52 1881.008 1877.54 1880.66 remotes look like now is kind of what we're - ES2016b A MEE061 0 1881.898 1885.52 1882.23 1885.52 what we're stuck with . Um 1884.59 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1888.993 1895.063 1888.993 1895.063 Maybe we could go with a square or something . Um 1894.51 ES2016b B MEO062 1 1900.256 1901.166 1900.62 1900.79 Hm . 1900.79 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1901.788 1906.544 1902.21 1906.41 Um you know with minimal number of buttons . 1906.41 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1908.623 1911.216 1908.78 1910.98 I guess you've got you know one through nine . 1910.98 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1914.528 1918.752 1914.55 1918.68 For typing in your channels . Uh you've got 1917.36 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1919.67 1924.576 1919.85 1924.46 volume , up and down . Channel up and down . 1921.38 1923.11 1924.46 ES2016b D FEE064 3 1926.416 1927.185 1926.45 1927.01 Power . 1927.01 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1927.212 1928.289 1927.41 1928.04 Power . 1928.04 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1929.535 1933.811 1929.68 1933.53 Usually at the top . Um a mute . 1931.79 1933.53 ES2016b B MEO062 1 1939.299 1941.891 1939.41 1941.77 That's the classical design . 1941.77 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1940.737 1946.544 1941.02 1946.544 That's that's pretty much all you need I think . Um 1945.76 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1948.077 1950.232 1948.34 1949.89 A menu button , maybe . 1949.52 1949.89 ES2016b B MEO062 1 1951.136 1952.012 1951.37 1951.74 Right . 1951.74 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1951.949 1953.33 1952.1 1953.01 So you know . 1953.01 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1954.128 1972.944 1954.15 1972.89 If you , if we want the remote to do other things like um or I guess the T_V_ to be able to change the tint and the colour and you know all those kind of things that are built into T_V_s , we just have that under one standard menu button where you go in , press the menu button , scroll up and down to select it . 1954.64 1966.94 1970.11 1971.37 1972.89 ES2016b D FEE064 3 1972.79 1973.504 1972.97 1973.32 Yeah . 1973.32 ES2016b B MEO062 1 1974.586 1976.067 1974.91 1976.067 Yeah . 1975.87 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1975.376 1976.128 1975.46 1976.128 Um - ES2016b B MEO062 1 1978.118 1981.92 1978.29 1981.85 Talking of which maybe a scrolling function is not not too bad . 1981.85 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1981.649 1983.501 1981.92 1983.501 'Kay so - ES2016b B MEO062 1 1983.135 1983.808 1983.42 1983.808 It's - ES2016b B MEO062 1 1984.549 2000.808 1984.65 2000.46 Talk about maybe f look at that from the side , there maybe . Which is technically the easiest option . Would probably be like a scrolling , little scrolling wheel like this . Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . So . 1989.85 1991.46 1994.59 1996.87 1998.51 1999.05 1999.63 2000.22 2000.46 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1984.511 1986.026 1984.69 1986.026 Um - ES2016b A MEE061 0 1997.878 1998.922 1998.14 1998.49 Mm-hmm . 1998.49 ES2016b A MEE061 0 1999.696 2001.514 1999.88 2001.25 Like a wheel on your mouse . 2001.25 ES2016b B MEO062 1 2001.313 2003.603 2001.47 2003.5 Yeah , sort of like that . You can even 2001.86 2002.87 ES2016b A MEE061 0 2002.255 2003.131 2002.38 2003.08 Sort of . 2003.08 ES2016b B MEO062 1 2004.473 2011.808 2004.63 2011.64 if we're coming from mice , we can even add a click function , where you , in order to verify the information you just press it down . 2005.98 2008.15 2008.95 2011.64 ES2016b B MEO062 1 2012.744 2036.0 2012.88 2035.9 Right . Also when it comes to the ergonomics of the whole thing , if you wanna make it square for the looks of it , then maybe to make it more comfortable to hold the whole thing , you add a little bulge down here . Just which maybe from an engineering point this could be holding the the batteries and so on . 2014.32 2016.35 2020.4 2026.73 2029.04 2035.9 ES2016b A MEE061 0 2013.424 2014.825 2013.424 2014.62 'S a good idea . 2014.62 ES2016b A MEE061 0 2035.739 2036.614 2036.0 2036.31 Mm-hmm . 2036.31 ES2016b B MEO062 1 2037.518 2044.208 2037.73 2044.208 I know . You know what I'm getting at here , fel look at it from the side . It's like that . Right . Uh 2038.16 2039.96 2041.45 2043.49 2043.94 ES2016b A MEE061 0 2038.937 2040.991 2039.14 2040.93 Look g yeah . Looks good . 2040.12 2040.93 ES2016b D FEE064 3 2039.925 2040.666 2040.1 2040.38 Mm-hmm . 2040.38 ES2016b B MEO062 1 2046.138 2057.824 2046.27 2057.77 Then you hold it in your hand like this . And maybe you bring the buttons nearer to the or the imp more important buttons nearer to the to the side . Right . Mm . 2048.95 2056.68 2057.49 2057.77 ES2016b C MEE063 2 2049.744 2051.309 2049.81 2051.2 Yes s - ES2016b A MEE061 0 2055.136 2057.123 2055.34 2056.88 To the thumb . Yeah . 2056.37 2056.88 ES2016b C MEE063 2 2056.344 2060.0 2056.36 2059.93 To the thumb yeah . Maybe the buttons could like uh 2058.01 ES2016b C MEE063 2 2061.408 2067.344 2061.6 2067.31 decrease in s the bigger ones you know they could actually be bigger in size than the ones that are less important , the smaller here . 2066.64 2067.31 ES2016b B MEO062 1 2068.005 2073.123 2068.18 2072.97 Right . You can also have it , maybe , talking about mobile phones again , sliding open . 2068.93 2069.85 2070.66 2072.06 2072.97 ES2016b C MEE063 2 2073.947 2074.755 2074.12 2074.69 Yeah . 2074.69 ES2016b B MEO062 1 2074.234 2081.237 2074.46 2081.16 With the lesser used functions on this part , and then it slides into that part . And out . 2077.4 2080.44 2081.16 ES2016b C MEE063 2 2076.388 2078.205 2076.59 2077.95 Behind . Definitely . 2077.48 2077.95 ES2016b C MEE063 2 2080.416 2084.03 2080.416 2083.86 just like o on a sort of side view . 2083.86 ES2016b C MEE063 2 2085.107 2089.72 2085.19 2089.6 Something that you know it would sort of fit in the hand better . So you know you just sort of have your hand 2087.52 ES2016b B MEO062 1 2089.166 2092.948 2089.62 2092.87 Mm well I was just thinking , this this of course causes 2091.3 ES2016b C MEE063 2 2091.392 2094.434 2091.41 2094.27 Yeah . Right on the and your thumb would be up here type thing . 2092.06 2094.27 ES2016b B MEO062 1 2094.192 2099.951 2094.32 2099.76 causes a problem um for left or right-handed people actually . So . 2099.39 2099.76 ES2016b C MEE063 2 2098.508 2099.888 2098.66 2099.59 Yeah that's also true . 2099.59 ES2016b C MEE063 2 2101.824 2104.853 2101.824 2104.7 instantly sort of always going for the right-handed person . 2104.7 ES2016b B MEO062 1 2104.463 2105.406 2104.8 2105.13 Right . 2105.13 ES2016b C MEE063 2 2107.277 2109.84 2107.41 2109.81 But I mean the older so - ES2016b A MEE061 0 2109.537 2122.24 2109.78 2122.05 Yeah is everyone who in here's right-handed , left-handed ? You guys all right-handed ? Yeah . So I'm left-handed but I , so I can say that most things are designed for right-handed people . 2112.47 2114.08 2115.41 2115.84 2119.12 2122.05 ES2016b D FEE064 3 2113.792 2114.602 2113.86 2114.52 Right . 2114.52 ES2016b B MEO062 1 2114.003 2115.215 2114.36 2115.03 Right . 2115.03 ES2016b C MEE063 2 2114.359 2115.964 2114.64 2115.63 Right-handed , yeah . 2115.35 2115.63 ES2016b D FEE064 3 2117.445 2118.455 2117.84 2118.15 Uh-huh . 2118.15 ES2016b B MEO062 1 2122.185 2124.003 2122.185 2123.84 That's right . 2123.84 ES2016b A MEE061 0 2123.391 2128.206 2123.391 2127.37 Like the written language . Or English . 2126.13 2127.37 ES2016b D FEE064 3 2127.109 2133.2 2127.39 2133.16 Maybe you could buy like a special left-handed version of the remote . Special order . 2132.46 2133.16 ES2016b A MEE061 0 2131.024 2138.24 2131.6 2138.06 Maybe . Ow . I would say I mean it should be probably designed for a right-handed p person . 2132.01 2134.06 2138.06 ES2016b D FEE064 3 2138.112 2138.752 2138.13 2138.68 Yeah . 2138.68 ES2016b A MEE061 0 2139.232 2148.096 2139.51 2148.096 Um but that's that's good . That's w I think we've got a kind of a good plan there . Um 2142.03 2147.57 ES2016b A MEE061 0 2149.792 2154.384 2149.92 2154.384 At least for what buttons we're gonna use . Um 2153.15 ES2016b A MEE061 0 2156.645 2158.64 2156.97 2158.64 So we've got uh - ES2016b A MEE061 0 2160.113 2164.416 2160.37 2164.416 I like the scroll , the scroll action and the 2161.51 ES2016b A MEE061 0 2166.349 2167.147 2166.349 2167.147 . 2167.147 ES2016b C MEE063 2 2166.237 2168.829 2166.42 2168.68 I mean I'm just just thinking maybe - ES2016b C MEE063 2 2171.392 2172.768 2171.41 2172.72 if it was um - ES2016b C MEE063 2 2175.83 2176.974 2175.98 2176.67 circular - ES2016b C MEE063 2 2178.557 2179.399 2178.67 2179.15 um - ES2016b C MEE063 2 2181.904 2196.042 2181.92 2195.93 with the sort of that sort of the sort of early idea we had , with the way that was more like that , whereas this is just a one-handed thing that you sort of almost wrap round the thumb . So you'd have your , you'd put your hand into there with the thumb there . 2186.0 2187.71 2192.9 2193.41 2195.93 ES2016b C MEE063 2 2197.28 2207.075 2197.35 2206.74 And then your thumb would do you'd have all the buttons sort of round here . And that I think could work . On any hand . If you just had it like wrapped round there . Left or right . 2200.45 2202.66 2204.33 2206.05 2206.74 ES2016b A MEE061 0 2202.037 2204.764 2202.23 2204.764 Yeah . Kinda like holding a 2203.41 ES2016b D FEE064 3 2207.248 2207.584 2207.29 2207.47 Mm . 2207.47 ES2016b B MEO062 1 2209.43 2210.204 2209.59 2210.06 Right . 2210.06 ES2016b B MEO062 1 2211.196 2214.428 2211.196 2214.32 That minimises it size-wise as well . 2214.32 ES2016b C MEE063 2 2212.456 2216.233 2212.456 2216.06 Minimise its size . It could be you know really quite small . 2214.21 2216.06 ES2016b B MEO062 1 2215.297 2215.903 2215.4 2215.69 Mm . 2215.69 ES2016b B MEO062 1 2218.401 2220.528 2218.79 2220.09 Then there's maybe - ES2016b B MEO062 1 2223.62 2229.849 2223.78 2229.72 another point of making it a two-in-one kind of thing . If we have a smaller 2228.55 ES2016b B MEO062 1 2231.108 2247.371 2231.29 2247.1 a smaller device that actually fits into the big one . You give it the full functions in here , and just a couple of functions in there . Like your zap zapping device is just u channels up-down , uh volume , and on-off . That's it . 2234.56 2236.71 2238.77 2243.46 2245.23 2246.69 2247.1 ES2016b C MEE063 2 2237.932 2238.773 2238.19 2238.6 Yeah . 2238.6 ES2016b D FEE064 3 2238.65 2239.29 2238.75 2239.06 Hmm . 2239.06 ES2016b C MEE063 2 2240.187 2241.635 2240.48 2241.47 Zapping functions . 2241.47 ES2016b D FEE064 3 2247.943 2248.953 2248.13 2248.72 Could be good . 2248.72 ES2016b A MEE061 0 2247.897 2249.328 2248.31 2249.26 Yeah . 2249.26 ES2016b B MEO062 1 2248.246 2251.95 2248.52 2251.95 Maybe . 2251.74 ES2016b A MEE061 0 2282.112 2284.061 2282.28 2283.9 So two remotes in one . 2283.9 ES2016b A MEE061 0 2286.96 2289.488 2287.24 2289.38 But then would be easier to lose - ES2016b A MEE061 0 2291.772 2293.321 2291.88 2293.08 one or the other . 2293.08 ES2016b B MEO062 1 2293.089 2294.301 2293.28 2294.07 That's right . 2294.07 ES2016b B MEO062 1 2294.996 2299.979 2295.16 2299.73 Means the big one has to be sufficiently big . And perhaps heavy , so you can't move it around . 2297.71 2298.65 2299.73 ES2016b D FEE064 3 2299.527 2306.976 2299.527 2306.976 Yeah , yeah . 2306.09 2306.73 ES2016b A MEE061 0 2300.512 2305.711 2300.512 2305.45 It actually is your coffee table . 2305.45 ES2016b B MEO062 1 2301.191 2307.151 2301.4 2306.97 Make it a piece of furniture . yes . Yes , there you go . 2305.29 2306.1 2306.39 2306.97 ES2016b B MEO062 1 2310.282 2312.976 2310.33 2312.976 Or a statue or something . 2312.7 ES2016b A MEE061 0 2313.581 2317.776 2313.581 2317.776 Okay . Well we need to finish up here . Um 2315.35 2316.99 ES2016b A MEE061 0 2319.52 2320.768 2319.62 2320.768 So for the next - ES2016b A MEE061 0 2325.086 2338.784 2325.33 2338.784 So for the next um before the next meeting w uh sh shall we work on you're watching trends to see what what kind of new information we've got going on . Um 2337.99 ES2016b D FEE064 3 2334.429 2335.641 2334.72 2335.59 Mm-hmm . 2335.59 ES2016b C MEE063 2 2334.946 2335.744 2335.32 2335.57 Yep . 2335.57 ES2016b A MEE061 0 2341.113 2350.032 2341.29 2349.91 Manuel you're going to work on the components for for what we're gonna use . Let's go with our our uh rounded 2345.86 ES2016b B MEO062 1 2343.864 2345.042 2344.23 2344.87 Right . 2344.87 ES2016b A MEE061 0 2351.664 2368.224 2351.94 2368.224 kind of fit in your hand let's explore uh the the uh possibility of having the two-piece . So one for the the quick zapping um and possibly one you know with just that rounded part that fits into your hand . Um 2358.4 2367.31 ES2016b B MEO062 1 2359.367 2360.175 2359.41 2359.77 Alright . 2359.77 ES2016b C MEE063 2 2365.05 2365.64 2365.17 2365.39 Yeah . 2365.39 ES2016b A MEE061 0 2369.68 2379.98 2369.68 2379.86 And Ryan you work on um how how well they'll work with the us with the user . So both of those concepts . 2378.27 2379.86 ES2016b C MEE063 2 2376.117 2377.598 2376.32 2377.41 How well it'll work yeah . 2377.41 ES2016b A MEE061 0 2382.144 2388.752 2382.17 2388.752 And uh okay I think we made some good progress here . see you in 2387.37 ES2016b B MEO062 1 2386.453 2387.631 2386.453 2387.4 Alright . 2387.4 ES2016b A MEE061 0 2389.984 2393.178 2390.12 2392.9 I dunno . I gu I guess we'll take lunch 2391.13 ES2016b A MEE061 0 2394.682 2403.648 2394.94 2403.53 in about uh half an hour . Or I guess we'll be taking lunch shortly and then then in about half an hour after that we'll probably have another meeting . 2397.72 2403.53 ES2016b C MEE063 2 2403.484 2404.225 2403.69 2404.14 Yeah . 2404.14 ES2016b B MEO062 1 2403.537 2404.918 2403.72 2404.77 Alright . 2404.77 ES2016b A MEE061 0 2405.254 2406.231 2405.6 2406.03 Okay . 2406.03 ES2016c A MEE061 0 31.548 33.616 31.85 32.83 Okay . 32.83 ES2016c D FEE064 3 40.441 41.095 40.441 41.095 . 41.095 ES2016c A MEE061 0 56.717 58.016 57.09 57.42 Right . 57.42 ES2016c A MEE061 0 60.219 62.239 61.26 62.08 Okay . 62.08 ES2016c A MEE061 0 71.833 79.544 72.12 79.45 Alright . Is everyone here ? Okay . This is our conceptual design meeting . 72.86 76.29 77.34 79.45 ES2016c D FEE064 3 74.138 77.28 74.138 77.28 Yep . 77.2 ES2016c C MEE063 2 75.262 76.249 75.73 75.98 Yep . 75.98 ES2016c A MEE061 0 82.864 84.325 82.88 84.325 And - ES2016c A MEE061 0 88.128 103.044 88.128 102.83 I'll just take a few minutes and uh go through the previous minutes . Um then each of you will have your presentation , um and then we will need to make a decision on the concept for the remote control . 93.86 97.6 102.83 ES2016c A MEE061 0 103.717 109.36 103.95 109.36 And then we'll have uh forty minutes for finishing up . Um 108.86 ES2016c A MEE061 0 111.312 137.504 111.312 137.32 I'll go through the mee through the minutes first . Um , we just refreshed our our uh goal of making the finest remote control available . Um we decided that , or we know that we need to use company colours , company logo . Um and 115.34 117.87 128.22 129.78 132.6 134.74 ES2016c A MEE061 0 138.528 154.896 138.56 154.86 our Marketing Expert uh gave us some i uh information from interviews with a hundred different remote users . Um with some statistics that backed basically what we were thinking before . People thought their remotes were ugly , um 147.23 152.01 154.35 ES2016c A MEE061 0 156.288 157.266 156.5 157.22 um - ES2016c A MEE061 0 158.112 165.347 158.3 165.07 that remotes zap a lot . Um they only use uh a finite amount of buttons . 161.41 165.07 ES2016c A MEE061 0 166.864 178.064 167.08 178.064 Um and that they often lose the it's easy to lose a remote . Um which were all things we were thinking we would wanna make it simple . Um 172.34 177.62 ES2016c A MEE061 0 179.216 186.128 179.216 186.128 And uh some sort of locator . Either a button or tracking device . Um 182.16 185.52 ES2016c A MEE061 0 187.866 191.906 188.05 191.71 And that it should look different than what's out there . 191.71 ES2016c A MEE061 0 193.522 194.229 193.69 194.229 Um - ES2016c A MEE061 0 195.792 206.624 195.87 206.5 Kind of mixed mixed response on the speech recognition . The younger people said they wanted it , older people did not . Um uh I think we decided that 199.87 202.54 204.47 ES2016c A MEE061 0 207.872 224.258 207.89 224.258 um the expense was not necessarily worth it , and that it was probably a gimmick , that um would increasingly wear on the consumers' nerves . Um 212.21 214.74 221.68 ES2016c A MEE061 0 227.024 247.248 227.5 247.248 Then the User Interface Designer um explored some of the technical functions of the remote . Um the simple versus the um the complex . The simple one being better for a user , the complex better for an engineer . Um 236.64 242.05 243.92 246.77 ES2016c A MEE061 0 250.016 277.568 250.04 277.42 Um and some personal preferences that were found in that would be that it should be a user-oriented remote , something simple . Um and that we didn't wanna go with a universal remote , because uh increasing cost and increasing complexity . Um we would just have a T_V_ remote . Um and that we should also focus on the appearance of the remote . Have it s be something that looks different . 256.58 257.75 261.67 266.3 269.36 275.54 277.42 ES2016c A MEE061 0 279.839 298.784 280.06 298.784 And finally our um Industrial Designer uh gave us a rundown of how the remote will work . Um from energy source , um uh what we would use . Batteries because we don't wanna have a a cable . Um 289.7 292.02 295.33 298.23 ES2016c A MEE061 0 300.115 318.256 300.115 318.256 How that would power the remote and the lamp . If we were to to have one . Uh um the user interface then would connect to a chip , which would work with the infrared controls uh to send the signal to the T_V_ . Um 305.27 306.91 311.79 317.78 ES2016c A MEE061 0 320.304 329.92 320.34 329.92 I believe then we came up with a couple of ideas for what we think the design of the remote will be . Um 329.53 ES2016c A MEE061 0 331.296 337.484 331.296 337.484 Um something that will fit into uh easily into someone's hand . 337.4 ES2016c A MEE061 0 339.008 347.287 339.03 347.22 And with a , just a few buttons . Just the basics . And with a scrolling um function also . 340.41 341.46 342.7 347.22 ES2016c A MEE061 0 349.745 355.065 349.91 355.065 Okay and I will leave that , leave it at that . So 353.19 354.47 ES2016c A MEE061 0 355.604 362.72 355.9 362.28 Marketing ? We're watching trends . I suppose that you can have this . 357.37 360.2 362.28 ES2016c D FEE064 3 356.512 357.421 356.75 357.28 Okay . 357.28 ES2016c D FEE064 3 358.555 364.043 358.82 363.91 Yep . Can I have your cable please ? Thanks . 359.33 363.17 363.91 ES2016c D FEE064 3 388.009 391.747 388.18 391.7 Okay so I was looking at trend-watching . 391.7 ES2016c D FEE064 3 394.48 410.368 394.66 409.85 Um unfortunately I wasn't given too much information . I was given a brief executive summary , and then an update on some recent fashion trends that we might like to look at . And then I'll just tell you some personal preferences that I got from that . 398.92 401.76 406.65 409.85 ES2016c D FEE064 3 410.368 427.882 410.98 427.77 Um okay the most important finding was that the fancy look-and-feel seems to be twice as important to the users as the current functional look-and-feel design , which I think we've kind of already discussed before . 424.7 427.77 ES2016c D FEE064 3 427.882 443.792 428.3 443.75 Um the second most important finding was that the remote should be technologically innovative . And again these are all things we've kind of already come up with on our own , but this just backs it up . And thirdly the remote would be easy to use . 434.35 437.63 439.72 443.75 ES2016c D FEE064 3 445.024 460.655 446.01 460.56 As far as fashion update , we've learned that fruits and vegetables will be the most important theme for cloths , shoes and furniture . So that might be a bit of a challenge to incorporate this into our remote , but we can try . 447.97 453.49 455.71 459.75 460.56 ES2016c D FEE064 3 460.655 469.28 460.71 469.25 Um and also , as opposed to last year , this year the material is expected to be spongy in feel . 462.98 464.36 469.25 ES2016c D FEE064 3 471.624 496.953 471.624 496.953 Okay so from that um , as we've already said , we need to focus on a fancy look-and-feel . Um I think we've already discovered that it's kind of hard to go away from the traditional rectangular design . But I think that , even if it's very subtle , we need to kind of trick our consumers , so they at least get the idea that they're getting something that's new and modern and sleek and 474.81 475.68 479.78 487.42 488.32 489.46 491.54 ES2016c D FEE064 3 496.953 510.82 497.53 510.43 Whether it's through the shape or the colours or all of that . Um for technologically innovative , we've talked about the tracking device . We brought up the idea of having two pieces , which we could discuss further . 501.32 503.72 505.73 508.86 510.43 ES2016c D FEE064 3 510.82 529.188 511.24 529.188 And Manuel had suggested um the energy source and the user interface , discussing some of those , um that we could change a little bit . We need to keep it simple , have limited buttons , which I think the two piece idea might be really beneficial for . 517.06 519.79 521.73 523.23 524.66 529.03 ES2016c D FEE064 3 529.188 567.301 529.76 567.12 Um we need to incorporate this fashion trend of fruits and vegetables . I don't know , I mean I guess the two options are if we had our remote in the shape of a fruit or vegetable . Yeah . Yeah . Right . Or with exterior designs . But my question is , I mean the stereotypically speaking , you kind of picture males with their remote controls , and I'm not sure how they'd feel about having fruity logos on the outside . So maybe we could have something that's somewhat removable , or I don't know , different options for female , male target groups . 536.36 537.47 542.02 542.68 543.31 544.52 546.56 548.68 550.48 554.66 559.62 563.3 564.05 565.66 567.12 ES2016c A MEE061 0 540.812 543.27 540.812 542.98 A banana shape ? 542.98 ES2016c C MEE063 2 540.842 543.318 541.05 543.318 Oh it was sort of banana shaped . 542.43 ES2016c D FEE064 3 567.301 583.328 567.65 583.29 And then the spongy feel . I guess we could look at mobile phones and other technology that's out there . C and look at different types of material that might please our users who want spongy-feeling remote controls . 570.53 575.75 583.29 ES2016c D FEE064 3 584.528 585.914 584.78 585.68 So that's that . 585.68 ES2016c A MEE061 0 586.469 595.055 586.69 594.96 So possibly like a uh , sorry , just to butt in for a second . Possibly uh like a cover like they have for mobile phones ? 589.22 589.49 591.06 594.96 ES2016c B MEO062 1 587.272 588.484 587.47 587.88 Alright . 587.88 ES2016c D FEE064 3 593.872 596.512 594.37 596.4 That's what I was thinking yeah . 596.4 ES2016c C MEE063 2 594.948 598.18 595.09 597.96 Those like , yeah , sort of spongy ones . 595.53 596.53 597.96 ES2016c A MEE061 0 596.744 602.0 596.86 601.95 You have one with a flag , and one with a banana and one that's a spongy 598.62 ES2016c D FEE064 3 602.208 605.952 602.208 605.89 Yeah . So when you buy your remote you can buy 602.55 ES2016c A MEE061 0 603.074 606.845 603.27 606.845 feel to it . You can 605.88 ES2016c D FEE064 3 606.976 608.405 607.09 608.17 various coverings . 608.17 ES2016c A MEE061 0 607.653 609.168 607.87 608.88 Mm various covers . 608.88 ES2016c C MEE063 2 607.624 613.28 608.07 613.12 What's it called ? Cust you personalised , yeah . 609.03 612.76 613.12 ES2016c D FEE064 3 611.68 613.132 611.7 612.96 Personalise your remote . 612.96 ES2016c A MEE061 0 619.718 622.634 619.97 622.634 We could leave that to the cover department . 622.47 ES2016c D FEE064 3 621.747 625.552 621.747 625.22 Mm-hmm . 625.22 ES2016c C MEE063 2 621.563 624.486 621.97 624.486 Yeah . 624.34 ES2016c A MEE061 0 627.058 629.886 627.058 629.67 We all know they've got nothing to do all day . 629.67 ES2016c C MEE063 2 649.928 650.944 650.1 650.73 Okay . 650.73 ES2016c C MEE063 2 652.832 675.467 652.92 675.14 Why can't I see the crazy . Um yeah I talking about the interface concept and how the customer relates to , will use the , consumer will use the actual device . Um so I've looked at some of the stuff I was sent , um , try and get some inspiration . But keep in mind that our own ideas that we had . 655.71 661.96 662.77 665.22 669.22 670.74 672.85 675.14 ES2016c C MEE063 2 675.467 689.845 675.91 689.53 Um I was sent some information from the company saying that they , the technology department have devised a new speech recognition technology , where you can program questions into such devices . 679.43 686.14 689.53 ES2016c C MEE063 2 689.845 714.481 690.19 714.36 They gave an example of a coffee machine where you program a question , you program the answer , and the machine responds accordingly . Um okay . There's different ways of a user can use products l like a remote . Um there's a graphical use , where you you look at pictures and 694.45 696.19 699.65 704.14 710.1 711.38 ES2016c C MEE063 2 715.488 734.217 715.57 733.81 well on a screen . A command line where you obviously type things in , and you get a response . Um and then it ju that's just to point out the sort of inconsistent u sort of use of interface in remotes . You can't really see that picture well , but there's various different remotes , once again with lots of different buttons on , making it more complicated . 717.35 719.88 721.63 727.77 729.08 730.47 732.51 733.81 ES2016c C MEE063 2 734.217 760.224 734.53 759.92 So , then I had a look at new products that are on the market . Not necessarily remote controls but ones that you'll recognise . Um this is the voice , there is a voice recognition remote control , which can control mus multiple devices . I have a there is a picture . You surf your favourite channels uh with your voice . Store up to eighty speech samples , controls four devices , T_V_ , cable , satellite , V_C_R_ , D_V_D_ and audio . 735.13 738.1 742.07 744.58 747.04 748.93 749.95 753.8 755.41 756.55 756.89 757.13 757.57 758.04 759.92 ES2016c C MEE063 2 760.224 778.06 760.48 777.94 And you can record your own v verbal labels , that are connected to remote control functions . So the technology is there . Um the one on the left is very similar to what we drew up on the board in the previous meeting , where there has scroll down functions on the side . You can sort of just make those out . 762.48 764.03 767.03 774.78 776.73 777.94 ES2016c C MEE063 2 778.06 793.298 778.25 793.298 And then on the right is obviously an iPod , which is you know possibly one of the simplest things to use out there , and really is , and all that is is just a a nice big scroll menu that y you sort of go through . That is a 782.04 786.24 787.2 792.01 ES2016c C MEE063 2 793.648 814.677 793.67 814.4 possibility . And nothing's simpler really . Um then there's things like this , which is a a a kid's remote , where the the parents have the facility to control and program what children can watch before . So the remote control it o only allows them to access the channels that their parents want them to watch . 794.38 796.51 798.88 801.03 807.59 814.4 ES2016c C MEE063 2 814.677 829.91 814.85 829.77 And um it means that th children have a novelty of having their own remote control . So I don't know if there's a possibility of having one remote contr you know like we just had two components , maybe it can have more components you know , different remotes . 820.94 827.21 828.98 829.77 ES2016c C MEE063 2 829.91 850.256 830.25 850.16 Um the point made at the end there here is that you have to be sort of be need to be clear on your um devices , as to what , you know , things you use . Sometimes an arrow pointing down , which may suggest volume down , could become confused just as a V_ for volume . Just little things like that , which would need to be made clear in the design . 838.6 839.27 840.09 840.68 842.87 844.08 846.47 847.77 850.16 ES2016c C MEE063 2 851.68 869.308 851.7 869.27 Um I think , d carrying on from what I've already said , a user friendly remote with minimum buttons . Maybe we've so suggested this two-part thing , where if it was to have a speech recognition thing , you could maybe control that on the do it or program all that on the control bit . 854.15 855.96 859.3 863.16 865.7 869.27 ES2016c C MEE063 2 869.308 895.424 869.53 895.424 And then just have the simple sort of hand-held thing that we sort of devised earlier , as the actual remote . Um I don't it could be a graphical display , the actual remote contr the actual control port maybe could have like an iPod where you just sort of control through the menus . Stuff like gets more and more compli complicated . And then the the hand-held bit should be ergonomically designed . And that is it . Why am I 874.06 875.18 877.79 884.64 887.8 893.64 894.87 ES2016c C MEE063 2 896.8 897.808 896.84 897.73 Oh yeah . 897.73 ES2016c C MEE063 2 899.232 900.48 899.66 900.32 Just . 900.32 ES2016c C MEE063 2 901.616 904.152 901.616 904.0 Where are we ? Uh . 902.82 904.0 ES2016c C MEE063 2 906.711 908.125 906.91 907.94 Just to sort of show you . 907.94 ES2016c C MEE063 2 911.792 919.136 911.81 919.0 M they've even got things like that . Huge things . Which is just for your gr ninety year old grandma yeah ? 913.81 914.63 919.0 ES2016c B MEO062 1 919.376 922.743 919.58 922.59 That's industrial design for cranes , stuff like that . 921.82 922.59 ES2016c C MEE063 2 920.846 922.765 921.02 922.54 Yeah . Yeah . 922.28 922.54 ES2016c A MEE061 0 922.448 929.573 922.448 929.42 Notice the giant dog bone shape ? Also good for animals . 927.78 929.42 ES2016c D FEE064 3 922.457 925.792 922.457 925.61 Dunno . 925.61 ES2016c C MEE063 2 924.651 926.671 924.78 926.09 And that yeah . 926.09 ES2016c B MEO062 1 924.687 926.573 924.86 926.21 Makes sense , makes sense . 925.82 926.21 ES2016c C MEE063 2 927.917 929.398 928.06 929.28 Yeah . See . 928.57 929.28 ES2016c C MEE063 2 930.352 931.968 930.352 931.3 things . 931.3 ES2016c C MEE063 2 936.449 937.593 936.449 937.593 . 937.593 ES2016c C MEE063 2 939.648 942.206 939.71 941.95 Why's my screen crazy ? 941.95 ES2016c B MEO062 1 940.243 941.6 940.3 941.6 Uh - ES2016c B MEO062 1 944.855 949.165 945.08 949.0 Well let's see . I'm going to bore you with a 947.01 ES2016c B MEO062 1 951.114 954.246 951.3 953.94 couple of descriptions of the interior . 953.94 ES2016c B MEO062 1 956.865 972.192 957.11 972.14 Just to to make it more obvious what we have to fit in there , and that we do have to fit the stuff in there . I've more information on possible materials um as well . What we can and cannot do . 960.8 964.52 970.64 972.14 ES2016c B MEO062 1 974.171 980.468 974.48 980.05 Um but let's just wait for this to load up and I'll show you - ES2016c B MEO062 1 983.899 986.694 984.45 986.58 what we're talking about here . Okay . 985.8 986.58 ES2016c B MEO062 1 988.895 1033.552 988.95 1033.52 The details of the components' design , as you can see there , what we have is the board , main board of the remote control . The underside , that's pretty cheap piece of of technology really top left side you can see the chip , which is the , what we were talking about , this was is the device to recognise the signals the input , and it passes it on to a row of um further transistors and stuff like that on the right side that actually amplify the signal , which later on is being , is being transferred to a infrared lamp which 991.29 992.96 995.89 999.56 1000.51 1007.66 1008.82 1009.66 1014.37 1025.45 1028.04 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1035.387 1050.976 1035.43 1050.976 then um of course shines infrared light onto the television which then will recognise what signal um it's getting and will do what you tell it . Um 1050.46 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1053.973 1056.599 1054.19 1056.39 So much for the the workings of the - ES2016c B MEO062 1 1057.632 1058.896 1057.67 1058.86 of the uh - ES2016c B MEO062 1 1059.936 1072.118 1059.96 1072.06 remote control itself . Its job is to wait for you to press a key , then to translate that key press into infrared light signals , um that are received by the television . 1062.87 1066.08 1069.47 1072.06 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1072.118 1084.248 1072.47 1084.11 When you press a key um you complete a specific connection . The chip senses the connection and knows what button you pressed . It produces a morse code line signal specific to that button . Right . Pretty clear . 1075.95 1078.71 1082.87 1083.57 1084.11 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1084.248 1096.434 1084.5 1096.33 Transistor amplifies the signal and then sends the m sends the signal to the L_E_D_ which translates the signal into infrared light . The sensor in the T_V_ can see the infrared light , and seeing the signal reacts appropriately . 1091.63 1093.76 1096.33 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1096.434 1112.311 1097.11 1112.03 This is the circuit board from the other side . Um the lower part of it , I don't know if you can see that properly , with the green greenish board is is what we what we saw in the first the first slide just flipped over . 1100.47 1102.95 1104.52 1112.03 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1112.311 1131.326 1112.74 1130.99 Um you can see the circuit board itself . That's the cheapest uh way to make electronic connections basically on the market . Um what you do is you have , don't have cables , but you have the connections actually in these in these lines on the on the board . 1115.78 1121.22 1124.6 1126.05 1130.99 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1131.326 1144.4 1131.76 1144.31 These are the actual keys that are being pressed . They close the electric circuit . That then sends the signal to the chip on the other side . That would be behind here . Um which uh sends it over to the transistors and all that stuff that 1134.98 1137.51 1139.71 1141.22 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1145.744 1149.76 1145.76 1149.66 amplify the signal and all that is being sent to the infrared lamp up there . 1149.66 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1150.88 1168.272 1150.9 1168.23 Now as you can see this is the the rubber button version of it . Um the way it works is that you have the keys here . The rubber button has a little metal uh plate on the other side , which closes the circuit here . And thus gives on the signal . Now this is the simple version . 1154.65 1157.63 1161.25 1163.78 1166.15 1168.23 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1169.472 1185.354 1169.472 1185.0 Um we are talking um this this the simple and cheapest version at the same time . We are talking something more complicated of course , it's going to be more expensive as well . 1179.37 1182.65 1185.0 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1185.354 1204.608 1185.93 1204.41 And not only that . Um we are also restricted in the use of our outer shell , or in the material that we could use for our outer shell . Um I've gotten some information that 1187.86 1195.13 1198.78 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1205.958 1209.426 1206.16 1209.27 we could use for the case material plastic , 1209.27 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1210.4 1225.008 1210.43 1224.97 rubber , as well . Um rubber that is used in these anti-stress balls . So it's pretty squishy . That would that would serve that purpose . Um we could also use wood , or titanium . 1211.33 1212.49 1216.03 1217.13 1220.06 1224.04 1224.97 ES2016c D FEE064 3 1217.013 1218.461 1217.013 1218.29 Spongy ? 1218.29 ES2016c A MEE061 0 1225.552 1234.431 1225.552 1234.431 What's the approximate per hundred thousand for the titanium ? 1234.24 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1231.072 1248.508 1231.13 1248.42 Oh fya I don't have an information on that . However our company obviously can provide us with uh with the titanium , so I assume , I'm , I was given an okay to use it . It certainly is an expensive material , I'm aware of that , but I was given an okay . 1234.37 1238.53 1240.43 1240.84 1243.15 1244.78 1245.61 1248.42 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1248.508 1262.272 1249.63 1262.22 But there are certain restrictions to certain materials . Now let's first go through the list with the materials . So we what we can use is plastic , rubber , wood and titanium . Can also mix these . 1253.17 1256.15 1258.32 1259.03 1261.04 1262.22 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1263.744 1279.504 1263.9 1279.44 Um as for the energy source , um we were talking about that shortly in the other meeting . Um what we could use is , or what I was offered , or what we could use , is a basic bateer battery . Right ? 1267.07 1271.97 1273.88 1275.28 1276.94 1279.02 1279.44 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1281.619 1283.37 1281.74 1283.06 Uh a dynamo . 1283.06 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1284.145 1285.289 1284.25 1285.17 Interestingly enough . 1285.17 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1287.323 1290.144 1287.5 1289.96 Um we could use solar cells . 1289.96 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1291.632 1301.424 1291.65 1301.35 Or a device that was not n not further specified that provides kinetic energy . Such as like watches you know . Where you just move them 1297.99 1299.97 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1302.576 1312.404 1302.62 1312.2 m move the the actual device and this pr uh provides it with with uh some energy . So um obviously 1309.25 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1313.216 1327.648 1313.24 1327.6 I personally have to say that dynamo is out of the question really . You don't wanna wind up your remote control before you can use it right ? Um solar cell is interesting . May fail though , every here and there . 1318.11 1322.03 1325.62 1326.86 1327.6 ES2016c C MEE063 2 1315.898 1316.942 1316.14 1316.78 Mm . 1316.78 ES2016c C MEE063 2 1328.12 1331.487 1328.22 1331.487 Would you have to leave it by the window ? yeah . 1330.15 1331.38 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1329.526 1335.839 1329.58 1335.39 Mm . Yeah . Or you know you lose it , it lies behind the couch for a week and yeah mm . 1330.16 1331.13 1332.79 1335.39 ES2016c C MEE063 2 1333.642 1334.383 1333.85 1334.27 Yeah . 1334.27 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1336.395 1337.91 1336.47 1337.91 Always the you - ES2016c A MEE061 0 1336.415 1340.976 1336.55 1340.976 Works well in Arizona but in Edinburgh not so - ES2016c B MEO062 1 1338.449 1357.472 1338.65 1357.43 But exactly . Um the kinetic energy thing um might work , um but the same problem . You leave it lying around and you first have to shake it before it it starts to work . So I'd say what we're stuck with really is um the basic battery . 1341.85 1346.81 1348.45 1353.14 1357.43 ES2016c D FEE064 3 1339.183 1340.867 1339.2 1340.74 Y probably not yeah . 1340.74 ES2016c C MEE063 2 1339.55 1340.492 1339.81 1340.04 Yeah . 1340.04 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1358.977 1363.219 1359.11 1363.01 Which also makes a base station basically obsolete . We don't need that then . 1361.92 1363.01 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1365.138 1366.081 1365.42 1366.081 Um - ES2016c B MEO062 1 1366.976 1368.16 1367.0 1368.03 However - ES2016c B MEO062 1 1370.155 1380.336 1370.27 1380.18 our interface options are push-buttons . In which uh in the production of which or in manufacture of which um our company is expert . 1374.51 1380.18 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1382.096 1383.305 1382.12 1383.305 Um - ES2016c B MEO062 1 1385.584 1399.68 1385.6 1399.51 However we've discussed that scroll wheels are a better option . And they are possible . We have an okay for scroll wheels . Okay . Um however when it comes to the scroll wheel of the iPod 1389.91 1391.49 1393.53 1394.81 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1400.912 1425.408 1401.03 1425.408 I've one big objection and that is that we have to fit an L_C_D_ into the remote control as well . This however may exclude certain um materials . If you have a squishy uh kind of remote control , then an L_C_D_ screen may be affected by the movement . Hence we might not be able to put it in there . So um 1406.97 1411.86 1416.35 1420.19 1424.45 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1426.448 1450.016 1426.81 1449.98 There's also restrictions to , when it comes to the chip . If we have a more sophistic uh sophisticated scroll wheel rather than this very basic uh set-up that we that I've just presented , um the chip has to be more s more sophisticated and thus more expensive as well . I don't have any details to , when it comes to the cost but um it will be a significant difference . 1429.72 1431.12 1438.87 1443.27 1444.59 1449.98 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1451.264 1466.336 1451.28 1466.27 I'd rather say drop the titanium and therefore let's have a more sophisticated chip , but that's not up to me to decide really . So that's for the for the scroll wheel . Um it limits our choice and squishy is hip , so I'd say 1454.85 1458.71 1462.25 1464.8 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1467.872 1493.056 1467.9 1492.57 rather not go for for that . Let's see now . Um um solar cells cannot be used on a curved or latex um surface or um remote control . But obviously that's not our problem um since we have decided or against solar cells , I assume right ? Or is anybody still alright . 1470.2 1470.9 1480.1 1488.34 1490.02 1492.57 ES2016c D FEE064 3 1489.592 1490.636 1489.87 1490.16 Mm . 1490.16 ES2016c C MEE063 2 1490.712 1491.621 1490.98 1491.48 Yeah . 1491.48 ES2016c A MEE061 0 1491.744 1494.832 1491.744 1494.8 No I think I think batteries are probably the way to go . 1494.8 ES2016c D FEE064 3 1492.099 1493.551 1492.35 1493.35 No . Hmm . 1492.99 1493.35 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1493.628 1500.88 1493.628 1500.88 Alright . Uh which makes it very conventional but therefore traditional I assume . Um 1495.82 1500.15 ES2016c C MEE063 2 1494.818 1495.445 1494.99 1495.22 Yeah . 1495.22 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1503.26 1504.304 1503.51 1504.304 Um - ES2016c B MEO062 1 1505.264 1516.144 1505.35 1516.03 With the titanium um we cannot make it a curved design . We would just be able to make it flat and 1513.76 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1519.12 1528.768 1519.14 1528.768 and um yeah a straight design pretty much . Which I assume would exclude uh some of the more sophisticated versions . 1523.34 1528.27 ES2016c C MEE063 2 1534.272 1554.848 1534.32 1554.8 Would the sort of spongy and the the plasticky thing y you can get those mobile phones that initially have a it is plastic but then they have sort of a a s a cover on it which is just sort of soft and stuff . So I don't know if that would still be possible to have you know in plastic . But then where do people hold it ? Just all be sort of spongy . 1548.68 1551.44 1553.6 1554.8 ES2016c D FEE064 3 1542.656 1546.023 1543.09 1545.97 Mm . Like a covering . Yeah . 1544.01 1545.31 1545.97 ES2016c A MEE061 0 1553.258 1554.41 1553.62 1554.31 Yeah . 1554.31 ES2016c D FEE064 3 1560.304 1563.816 1560.32 1563.67 The we can have the fruits and vegetables on the spongy parts , so they can remove it . 1562.76 1563.67 ES2016c C MEE063 2 1570.4 1578.595 1571.01 1578.47 So you as the the possibility of having a a graphical display on it , like a screen ? Like the iPod ? 1576.05 1577.18 1578.47 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1577.427 1596.995 1577.74 1596.96 You can have an L_C_D_ screen . Um but therefore no rubber will be used . Alright ? So plastic yes , titanium yes , but this will of course influence the form . With plastic , as I understand it , you can use any form . Um latex 1579.68 1583.98 1584.56 1585.65 1586.51 1589.42 1590.53 1592.54 1595.53 ES2016c C MEE063 2 1582.702 1583.424 1582.99 1583.37 Right . 1583.37 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1597.824 1601.504 1597.9 1601.45 is tricky . Or rubber and um 1598.94 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1603.76 1615.664 1603.78 1615.63 and titanium also seems to be tricky when it comes to the form . So the way to go is if you want a scroll wheel you either make it flat and angular , uh add an L_C_D_ screen , and um 1608.21 1612.83 1614.69 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1616.928 1627.136 1616.95 1627.08 then you can basically choose either plastic or titanium . Or wood even . Um if you wanna make it a particular shape , use plastic . 1621.56 1623.45 1626.24 1627.08 ES2016c C MEE063 2 1621.016 1623.373 1621.2 1623.373 Yeah . 1623.19 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1629.008 1642.024 1629.03 1641.84 Add an L_C_D_ screen , add a scroll wheel , that'll be fine . Or make it just push-buttons . Basically plastic gives you the b biggest variety of of options . Maybe not the nicest feel . Or not much originality really . 1630.39 1631.34 1632.36 1633.79 1638.44 1639.77 1641.84 ES2016c C MEE063 2 1628.794 1629.602 1629.04 1629.47 Yeah . 1629.47 ES2016c A MEE061 0 1640.141 1645.648 1640.63 1645.61 So the ru wait the rubbery we can shape it however we want ? Or the rubbery we cannot ? 1644.65 1645.61 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1646.288 1653.44 1646.288 1653.38 With rubber we could uh sh pretty much shape it the way we wanted it , but we cannot add scroll wheels , and we cannot add an L_C_D_ screen . 1649.79 1651.36 1653.38 ES2016c A MEE061 0 1649.165 1649.847 1649.42 1649.63 'Kay . 1649.63 ES2016c A MEE061 0 1651.529 1652.335 1651.75 1652.2 Mm . 1652.2 ES2016c D FEE064 3 1653.054 1654.131 1653.5 1653.78 Mm . 1653.78 ES2016c A MEE061 0 1654.96 1657.328 1655.01 1657.328 Mm . 1657.2 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1656.072 1657.856 1656.072 1657.7 That's the tricky thing . 1657.7 ES2016c C MEE063 2 1668.4 1692.224 1668.42 1692.11 Could we not you know have a shape with a scroll and the screen , and then j just sort of that initial shape we had , just which is uh sort of banana-esque . So that's thing if we did it yellow . And um you know you just p stick on just sort of rubber things that that sort of grip the thumb bit . They wouldn't have any they're just on the exterior . They wouldn't be necessary to the actual shape of the thing . 1672.9 1675.56 1679.26 1681.41 1686.42 1689.58 1692.11 ES2016c A MEE061 0 1681.001 1681.776 1681.08 1681.49 Yeah . 1681.49 ES2016c A MEE061 0 1697.148 1702.939 1697.28 1702.81 Is that an option , a plastic shell with a rubbery coating on at certain spots ? 1698.1 1702.81 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1701.117 1716.538 1701.29 1716.33 S Certainly can be done yes . Um yeah . if that doesn't affect the functional side of it all . Like say just the underside or so then it can be done . I assume . Yeah . 1705.26 1707.08 1710.5 1715.18 1715.97 1716.33 ES2016c C MEE063 2 1708.576 1708.992 1708.6 1708.88 Yeah . 1708.88 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1727.29 1729.041 1727.49 1729.041 So - ES2016c B MEO062 1 1730.724 1734.226 1731.01 1734.226 The fruit design um - ES2016c B MEO062 1 1736.448 1742.677 1736.52 1742.56 How about um affecting the surface of the actual um remote control ? 1742.56 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1743.956 1751.872 1744.12 1751.83 Say we don't make it p a particular fruit shape obviously , but uh give it like the surface of 1748.57 ES2016c D FEE064 3 1746.456 1747.532 1746.8 1747.16 Mm . 1747.16 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1752.88 1755.552 1753.02 1755.47 an orange , banana , whatever . You name it . 1753.83 1754.37 1754.94 1755.47 ES2016c C MEE063 2 1755.888 1756.504 1755.96 1756.37 Mm . 1756.37 ES2016c A MEE061 0 1757.354 1763.549 1757.54 1763.549 What about a smell ? T to the remote ? 1759.69 1763.38 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1757.472 1759.054 1757.55 1758.83 Just design-wise . 1758.83 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1760.468 1762.152 1760.66 1761.66 Mm . Nice one . 1761.11 1761.66 ES2016c C MEE063 2 1762.161 1770.006 1762.36 1769.9 You could just sell it in different colours as well I suppose . In different ye yellows . I don't suppose we have to stick to co 1764.63 1768.16 ES2016c D FEE064 3 1766.145 1769.411 1766.46 1769.411 Bright citrus colours yeah . 1769.1 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1767.794 1768.359 1768.12 1768.19 Mm . 1768.19 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1769.488 1778.416 1769.51 1778.416 Well we we're supposed to stick to the company colours though , that's yellow and grey . So what have we , lemon , banana , is 1772.91 1774.86 1775.82 1776.45 1777.93 ES2016c C MEE063 2 1770.544 1772.127 1770.64 1771.94 Stick to the colours yeah . 1771.94 ES2016c D FEE064 3 1771.397 1773.72 1771.67 1773.57 Oh yeah . Yellow and grey . 1772.53 1773.57 ES2016c A MEE061 0 1773.669 1775.352 1773.85 1775.14 Yellow and grey . 1775.14 ES2016c C MEE063 2 1778.607 1780.964 1778.8 1780.964 Mm grapefruit . 1780.67 ES2016c A MEE061 0 1779.123 1780.504 1779.39 1780.05 Grapefruit . 1780.05 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1779.922 1785.136 1780.21 1785.07 Grapefruit is what we'd go for , when it comes to the outer appearance perhaps . 1782.7 1785.07 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1788.643 1790.764 1788.86 1790.48 But mm . 1790.48 ES2016c A MEE061 0 1792.128 1802.864 1792.16 1802.42 I would say , if I were to make a decision , I would probably put the fruit aspect at the lower lower end of the spectrum of of importance . 1793.14 1794.75 1802.42 ES2016c C MEE063 2 1798.943 1799.886 1799.05 1799.36 Yeah . 1799.36 ES2016c C MEE063 2 1801.69 1802.801 1801.69 1802.801 . 1802.801 ES2016c A MEE061 0 1803.917 1804.725 1804.0 1804.725 Um - ES2016c D FEE064 3 1804.102 1807.604 1804.17 1807.604 I think having a shape could be a little ridiculous , like 1806.97 ES2016c C MEE063 2 1807.279 1808.054 1807.54 1807.81 Yeah . 1807.81 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1807.783 1811.587 1808.06 1811.587 Well we have it banana-shaped already , kind of . So 1810.74 1811.11 ES2016c D FEE064 3 1808.784 1811.005 1808.784 1810.81 Well we kinda do yeah . 1810.81 ES2016c C MEE063 2 1810.141 1811.05 1810.47 1810.79 Yeah . 1810.79 ES2016c A MEE061 0 1814.304 1822.988 1814.69 1822.87 Well perhaps the implied shape will be enough to lure that fruit-minded remote buyer . 1822.87 ES2016c C MEE063 2 1818.656 1819.299 1818.72 1819.0 Yeah . 1819.0 ES2016c D FEE064 3 1820.912 1822.602 1820.912 1822.602 And if it's yellow ? 1822.38 ES2016c C MEE063 2 1821.017 1827.246 1821.017 1826.75 and if it if it was done yellow , which is a company colour . 1825.8 1826.75 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1823.2 1824.131 1823.25 1823.76 Right . 1823.76 ES2016c A MEE061 0 1825.389 1828.368 1825.92 1828.31 It's it's yellow . It's curved . 1827.39 1828.31 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1826.32 1827.667 1826.55 1827.46 I it's yellow . 1827.46 ES2016c D FEE064 3 1827.182 1828.966 1827.41 1828.69 Grey buttons yeah . 1828.69 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1829.115 1833.626 1829.36 1833.626 Well so why not add a couple of grey stripes and make it look like a banana ? 1832.91 ES2016c A MEE061 0 1829.572 1841.963 1829.75 1841.76 It's sort of couple of couple of grey stripes . We could put the grey stripes on the bottom so that that person could turn it over . It would look like a banana just sitting on their table . 1834.79 1839.42 1841.76 ES2016c C MEE063 2 1832.11 1833.894 1832.29 1833.894 Yeah . 1833.53 ES2016c C MEE063 2 1837.295 1840.527 1837.51 1840.27 On the the gr the rubbery grips could be grey . 1840.27 ES2016c D FEE064 3 1840.178 1841.357 1840.53 1840.92 Mm . 1840.92 ES2016c C MEE063 2 1841.968 1842.592 1841.99 1842.34 Yeah . 1842.34 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1842.347 1843.155 1842.54 1842.93 There you go . 1842.93 ES2016c A MEE061 0 1843.088 1848.0 1843.11 1848.0 Rather than rather th - ES2016c C MEE063 2 1844.703 1852.11 1845.19 1851.99 It could and then you could actually h put the banana-shaped thing on the fruit bowl , on the coffee table , and then people would always know where it was . 1849.98 1850.8 1851.99 ES2016c D FEE064 3 1849.352 1850.463 1849.59 1850.27 Oh . 1850.27 ES2016c A MEE061 0 1851.7 1865.034 1851.87 1864.9 Maybe the holder , if we were to have a holder , it could be shaped like a fruit . Could be , it could be an ape or a fruit bowl . Hey we could have a variety of options here . 1853.31 1854.35 1856.27 1859.77 1862.64 1864.9 ES2016c D FEE064 3 1852.348 1855.21 1852.56 1854.81 Nice . Could look like a fruit bowl . 1853.65 1854.81 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1854.584 1862.8 1854.88 1862.8 It could be an ape . 1862.4 ES2016c C MEE063 2 1858.688 1859.323 1858.82 1859.06 Yeah . 1859.06 ES2016c C MEE063 2 1862.459 1863.289 1862.76 1863.01 Yeah . 1863.01 ES2016c D FEE064 3 1867.567 1868.375 1867.7 1868.02 'Kay . 1868.02 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1869.433 1870.14 1869.63 1869.88 Yeah . 1869.88 ES2016c A MEE061 0 1870.352 1872.912 1870.44 1872.76 Do you have more to your presentation ? 1872.76 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1872.72 1883.255 1872.72 1882.97 That's pretty much it . I informed you about the materials , what the interior has to look like , and what the limitations to certain materials are on there you go . 1875.07 1877.5 1879.38 1882.97 ES2016c A MEE061 0 1876.645 1877.268 1876.77 1876.96 Oh . 1876.96 ES2016c A MEE061 0 1882.961 1887.103 1883.17 1886.69 Okay . I'm gonna plug in here real quick . If I could . 1883.66 1885.34 1886.69 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1884.973 1888.845 1885.28 1888.73 Sure . Hang on . There you go . 1885.65 1887.04 1888.73 ES2016c A MEE061 0 1892.395 1895.52 1893.06 1895.33 Like I said we have to make a decision on - ES2016c A MEE061 0 1896.656 1902.254 1896.73 1901.71 a couple of these items here . Um ow . Ow . 1899.75 1900.43 1901.71 ES2016c D FEE064 3 1913.482 1917.758 1913.61 1917.48 So is the two piece idea out ? Or have we not decided ? 1916.51 1917.48 ES2016c C MEE063 2 1918.943 1920.054 1919.06 1920.054 Well we sort of - ES2016c C MEE063 2 1921.504 1926.384 1921.504 1926.34 rid of that because gonna use a battery . And the base station might not be necessary . 1924.69 1926.34 ES2016c D FEE064 3 1925.937 1927.687 1926.28 1927.48 Oh right okay . 1927.48 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1927.2 1943.838 1927.89 1943.57 Well we can still design a two-piece uh remote um without having a base , having one of them be a base station , but just have it be an optional either big remote with lots of functions , or you take out the smaller piece . We can still do that . 1933.57 1935.14 1940.68 1942.44 1943.57 ES2016c C MEE063 2 1929.616 1930.694 1929.76 1930.57 Yeah . 1930.57 ES2016c C MEE063 2 1934.633 1935.34 1934.8 1935.19 Yeah . 1935.19 ES2016c D FEE064 3 1940.862 1941.702 1941.24 1941.61 Mm . 1941.61 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1943.838 1970.272 1944.17 1970.24 However of course this would be like designing two remotes pretty much . So um which then , as I understand it , would probably limit the , limit again the the the use of certain materials , because they would be too expensive . Say like have a scroll wheel and uh on both of them , or have an L_C_D_ screen and so on so on . You'd probably have to stick rather with a just traditional rubber button 1948.91 1952.09 1952.92 1955.65 1959.0 1960.53 1964.32 1966.76 ES2016c A MEE061 0 1948.24 1949.05 1948.43 1948.88 Mm-hmm . 1948.88 ES2016c D FEE064 3 1966.371 1967.145 1966.68 1967.05 Mm . 1967.05 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1971.043 1972.828 1971.33 1972.58 design which we saw there . 1972.58 ES2016c D FEE064 3 1972.398 1975.664 1972.66 1975.664 Mm . 1975.63 ES2016c B MEO062 1 1975.443 1977.8 1975.66 1977.63 But could be done , of course . 1977.15 1977.63 ES2016c A MEE061 0 1977.866 1994.836 1978.15 1994.77 Okay . Uh so these are the decisions that we do need to make by the end of this meeting . Um for our components concept we need to come up with the energy source , um the chip-on-print , and the case . 1980.45 1985.85 1990.29 1993.66 1994.77 ES2016c A MEE061 0 1995.611 2000.964 1995.79 2000.79 Probably case um material . And probably a shape also . 1999.01 2000.79 ES2016c A MEE061 0 2001.824 2010.736 2001.85 2010.66 Um and then for the user interface concept we need to decide what the tape , what , what the type is . And what kind of supplements we'll have . 2006.34 2007.24 2008.72 2010.66 ES2016c A MEE061 0 2011.89 2012.631 2012.03 2012.631 Um - ES2016c A MEE061 0 2013.952 2021.654 2013.952 2021.54 Energy source I think we've , I think we've decided batteries , although not exciting , are probably our best bet . 2015.99 2017.98 2019.88 2021.54 ES2016c B MEO062 1 2021.672 2022.48 2021.91 2022.26 Right . 2022.26 ES2016c A MEE061 0 2022.766 2024.651 2022.79 2024.55 And we have five minutes . 2024.55 ES2016c B MEO062 1 2024.864 2037.936 2024.89 2037.87 Okay when it comes to the chip-on-print , as I said , the the more advanced features you want , um the fancier the chip has to be and the more expensive . Uh if you want just a normal button version , the chip-on-print is gonna be 2026.85 2027.4 2030.7 2034.32 2036.58 ES2016c D FEE064 3 2036.482 2037.374 2036.84 2037.27 Mm . 2037.27 ES2016c B MEO062 1 2038.91 2040.728 2039.05 2040.48 a cheap one . Right ? 2040.19 2040.48 ES2016c A MEE061 0 2039.901 2040.676 2040.21 2040.54 'Kay . 2040.54 ES2016c A MEE061 0 2043.712 2044.615 2043.74 2044.615 So - ES2016c A MEE061 0 2046.448 2054.894 2046.49 2054.85 Um I guess we should pick the case then . If we go with the plasticky case , or the the plastic case , um 2050.17 2052.25 2054.42 ES2016c A MEE061 0 2056.48 2069.812 2056.55 2069.47 then the chip-on-print is still kind of , we could have either or . We could have a complex one or a a non-complex . But did we decide that the rubbery feel was important enough to us ? 2058.72 2060.28 2063.97 2069.47 ES2016c B MEO062 1 2063.403 2064.312 2063.76 2064.15 Yeah . 2064.15 ES2016c D FEE064 3 2069.986 2072.511 2070.12 2072.4 Well what about what you said , like putting the 2071.33 ES2016c C MEE063 2 2071.6 2076.176 2071.62 2076.13 Just just maybe yeah . Just a little bit of . 2075.06 2076.13 ES2016c A MEE061 0 2073.176 2074.729 2073.176 2074.729 . 2074.729 ES2016c D FEE064 3 2073.37 2076.569 2073.42 2076.15 finger grips just on top of the plastic ? 2076.15 ES2016c A MEE061 0 2076.797 2081.241 2077.01 2081.21 Okay . So we would , we would have the L_C_D_ screen ? 2078.05 2079.55 2081.21 ES2016c B MEO062 1 2082.61 2086.28 2082.61 2086.21 as long as the pla uh the rubber is nowhere near the controls , yes . 2085.85 2086.21 ES2016c A MEE061 0 2086.46 2087.234 2086.6 2086.88 'Kay . 2086.88 ES2016c A MEE061 0 2090.231 2094.656 2090.49 2094.656 So I guess the case would be plastic , with 2094.07 ES2016c A MEE061 0 2099.99 2106.219 2100.14 2105.98 Perhaps that's not even enough rubber to qualify as being part of it . It's more of a su it's more of a supplement maybe . 2103.63 2105.98 ES2016c C MEE063 2 2103.6 2104.24 2103.75 2104.11 Yeah . 2104.11 ES2016c B MEO062 1 2104.058 2105.102 2104.058 2105.102 . 2105.102 ES2016c D FEE064 3 2106.032 2106.988 2106.05 2106.46 Yeah . 2106.46 ES2016c B MEO062 1 2106.075 2110.224 2106.2 2110.224 M more of a l lamination perhaps . 2109.8 ES2016c C MEE063 2 2108.348 2109.223 2108.53 2109.04 Yeah . 2109.04 ES2016c D FEE064 3 2125.203 2128.334 2125.37 2127.96 So then for the scroll , are we going for the iPod type ? 2126.43 2127.96 ES2016c C MEE063 2 2128.894 2130.51 2129.21 2130.13 Yeah I think so . I think 2130.08 ES2016c D FEE064 3 2129.748 2131.162 2130.04 2130.71 Yeah ? Okay . 2130.4 2130.71 ES2016c A MEE061 0 2136.736 2141.274 2136.736 2141.08 Which will require a more expensive chip-on-print right ? 2141.08 ES2016c B MEO062 1 2141.646 2143.194 2141.85 2142.86 Yes . It does . 2142.38 2142.86 ES2016c A MEE061 0 2143.327 2144.304 2143.46 2144.304 'Kay . So 2143.8 ES2016c A MEE061 0 2210.45 2216.814 2210.58 2216.64 I guess that , is that , is that about it ? So we have a good idea of what we're gonna need to to do on this ? 2211.24 2211.92 2213.1 2216.64 ES2016c B MEO062 1 2217.331 2218.161 2217.64 2217.86 Right . 2217.86 ES2016c A MEE061 0 2218.42 2225.008 2218.62 2225.008 Um okay so we will have another meeting in thirty minutes . Um 2223.67 ES2016c A MEE061 0 2226.864 2229.136 2226.89 2229.136 Here's what's gonna be going on . Um 2228.47 ES2016c A MEE061 0 2231.136 2236.96 2231.16 2236.96 Um Ryan you'll be working on the user interface design . Um 2236.46 ES2016c A MEE061 0 2238.151 2242.191 2238.74 2242.01 Manuel you'll be working on the look-and-feel design . 2242.01 ES2016c B MEO062 1 2242.411 2243.253 2242.49 2242.84 Right . 2242.84 ES2016c A MEE061 0 2246.146 2249.58 2246.4 2249.23 Corrine we'll want a product evaluation . 2249.23 ES2016c A MEE061 0 2251.129 2258.288 2251.47 2258.19 And the two of you get to play with the uh modelling components and uh - ES2016c A MEE061 0 2259.446 2262.51 2259.61 2262.32 maybe and and get us a prototype . 2262.32 ES2016c A MEE061 0 2264.048 2276.128 2264.37 2276.08 Which should go along well with your look-and-feel design and your interface . So that basically just be working on the prototype , uh we'll accomplish your other two actions . 2267.63 2272.54 2276.08 ES2016c A MEE061 0 2297.856 2305.299 2297.9 2302.53 Alright . Okay . Let's do it . 2299.75 2301.71 2305.15 ES2016d A MEE061 0 13.946 16.425 14.16 16.0 Yep . Soon as I 15.15 ES2016d A MEE061 0 17.564 18.839 17.62 18.72 get this . 18.72 ES2016d A MEE061 0 27.789 32.2 27.93 32.01 Okay . This is our last meeting . 30.31 32.01 ES2016d A MEE061 0 34.32 61.783 34.35 61.73 Um I'll go ahead and go through the minutes from the previous meeting . Uh and then we'll have a , the prototype presentation . Um then we will um do an evaluation . Uh or we'll see what , what we need to have under the criteria for the evaluation . Then we'll go through the finance and see if we fall within the budget . 38.77 42.42 46.13 50.99 52.41 57.48 61.73 ES2016d A MEE061 0 61.783 74.228 62.05 74.06 Um then we'll do the evaluation , and then we can finish up after that with um any changes that we'll need to make , or hopefully everything will fall right in line . 64.92 70.74 74.06 ES2016d A MEE061 0 74.228 95.806 74.54 95.36 Um let's see , minutes from the last meeting . Um we looked at uh the the trends . We had uh the fashion trends that people want a fancy look-and-feel . It was twice as important as anything else . Um they liked fruit and vegetables in the new styles . 76.98 79.09 84.3 88.75 91.56 95.36 ES2016d A MEE061 0 95.806 125.307 96.78 124.94 Um and a spongy feel . So we were talking about trying to incorporate those into our prototype . Um they wanted limited buttons and simplicity . Um then we looked at the uh the method for coming up with our own remote . Um looking at other other devices . Um the iPod , we really liked the look of that . 99.65 104.47 109.46 117.81 121.52 123.41 124.94 ES2016d A MEE061 0 125.307 154.352 125.56 154.28 Um we also had uh the kid's remote for a simple idea . Um a two part remote , which was what were were originally looking at . Uh and then um there was talk of spee uh speech recognition um becoming more uh predominant and easier to use . But I think we've still decided not to go with that . Then we looked at the components um 130.73 132.66 135.14 148.23 151.61 ES2016d A MEE061 0 155.536 167.36 155.6 167.31 the materials for the case , the different energy sources , the different types of chips , um and made a decision on what we were going to use to make our remote . Um and basically 156.9 158.22 159.85 165.25 ES2016d A MEE061 0 169.296 177.584 169.35 177.4 how , what were making for the prototype . So I'm going to leave it at that and let you guys take over . 169.74 171.82 177.4 ES2016d C MEE063 2 178.4 180.731 178.69 180.39 The prototype discussion . 180.39 ES2016d A MEE061 0 180.48 182.88 180.5 182.85 The prototype yeah . Do you need a this ? 181.62 182.85 ES2016d C MEE063 2 183.29 184.636 183.54 184.636 No . 184.32 ES2016d A MEE061 0 184.242 184.949 184.45 184.79 Okay . 184.79 ES2016d B MEO062 1 184.849 187.824 184.849 187.824 Can try to plug that in there but - ES2016d C MEE063 2 185.712 209.516 185.89 209.45 There is our remo the banana . Um yeah basically we we st went with the colour yellow . Um working on the principle of a fruit which was mentioned , it's basically designed around a banana . Um but it would be held in such a fashion , where it is , obviously it wouldn't be that floppy 'cause this would be hard plastic . 189.15 194.81 199.9 202.0 205.68 206.45 209.45 ES2016d C MEE063 2 209.516 226.418 209.67 226.38 These would be like the rubber , the rubber grips . So that's so that would hopefully help with grip , or like the ergonomics of it . Um but all the controlling would be done with this scroll wheel . You have to use your imagination a little bit . And this here represents the screen , where you , where you'd go through . 211.3 212.69 215.21 217.67 220.78 222.61 224.85 225.56 226.38 ES2016d A MEE061 0 224.845 225.788 225.01 225.62 Very nice . 225.62 ES2016d C MEE063 2 226.418 248.591 226.5 248.5 And the the simplest functions would be um almost identical to an iPod , where that one way ch through channels , that way th other way through channels . Volume up and down . And then to access the more complicated functions you'd you sorta go , you press that and go through the menus . It's that that simple . That just represents the infrared uh beam . 232.77 235.05 236.83 238.34 242.22 243.74 244.72 248.5 ES2016d C MEE063 2 248.591 265.355 248.98 265.21 That's a simple on and off switch . Um I don't know , we could use the voice . T that blue bits should be yellow , d that that'd be where the batteries would be I suppose . And um that's about it . It's as simple as you , we could make it really . Is there anything you want to add ? 250.85 251.72 254.01 255.73 258.28 262.5 263.62 264.36 265.21 ES2016d B MEO062 1 264.46 271.056 264.7 270.89 Right . That's what we have there . That's plastic . Plastic covered with rubber . We might 265.33 266.41 268.18 270.38 ES2016d B MEO062 1 272.128 290.489 272.15 290.489 uh add some more underneath here . Maybe give it , give it a form . I mean you're supposed to hold it like that , but um just if you grab it , take it from somewhere , so yeah , you have some rub yeah . Exactly , use both . Might as well think about 274.81 276.88 277.63 279.4 281.88 282.76 283.76 285.81 287.59 288.53 ES2016d C MEE063 2 281.888 285.886 281.96 285.63 Yeah . Doesn't make much make much difference . You could work left-handed or right-handed I suppose . 282.37 283.75 285.63 ES2016d A MEE061 0 282.552 283.663 282.77 283.47 Mm-hmm . 283.47 ES2016d C MEE063 2 289.312 293.697 289.35 293.32 T the actual thing might be smaller . Yeah . 293.04 293.32 ES2016d B MEO062 1 291.296 297.584 291.32 297.55 Th think about the button as well . Like either put either one one on either side or 293.32 ES2016d A MEE061 0 297.973 299.724 298.2 299.52 What but what's that button ? 299.52 ES2016d B MEO062 1 298.464 302.192 298.59 302.16 not do it at all . It's a quick on-off button . That's um 299.88 301.33 ES2016d C MEE063 2 299.3 300.614 299.51 300.33 Just the on and off . 300.33 ES2016d A MEE061 0 300.262 301.104 300.4 300.96 Uh , 'kay . 300.75 300.96 ES2016d B MEO062 1 303.28 306.512 303.3 306.38 yeah I think it's pretty important . So you don't have to fiddle with that . 305.09 306.38 ES2016d A MEE061 0 307.284 307.957 307.43 307.87 'Kay . 307.87 ES2016d B MEO062 1 307.776 317.44 307.81 316.79 Right ? Um that's not um I'd say a bit smaller would probably be nice . You wanna play with that over there . There you go . 308.66 313.87 316.43 316.79 ES2016d C MEE063 2 313.576 314.4 313.83 314.32 Yeah . 314.32 ES2016d C MEE063 2 316.607 319.873 316.92 319.873 It's you know it's flimsy 'cause it's made out of heavy Play-Doh , but 319.55 ES2016d A MEE061 0 319.136 320.281 319.35 320.281 Would you like to uh - ES2016d B MEO062 1 319.632 320.668 319.65 320.2 Right . 320.2 ES2016d D FEE064 3 320.565 321.878 320.85 321.71 Pretty impressive . 321.71 ES2016d A MEE061 0 322.907 323.984 323.04 323.9 Well done . 323.9 ES2016d D FEE064 3 326.592 327.972 326.75 327.75 Kind of a banana . 327.75 ES2016d C MEE063 2 328.254 335.19 328.65 335.15 And whether or not it would fall into the cost everything I suppose . With the scroll and the L_C_D_ . 332.93 335.15 ES2016d A MEE061 0 336.32 338.928 336.34 338.85 Well luckily we are going to find out . 338.85 ES2016d A MEE061 0 339.984 346.944 340.01 346.51 Or not luckily . Um do you have a marketing presentation for us . 341.83 346.51 ES2016d D FEE064 3 341.575 345.597 341.575 345.5 I do . 345.5 ES2016d D FEE064 3 351.468 357.84 351.71 357.76 Okay . You guys are gonna help me do an evaluation of the criteria . 353.44 357.76 ES2016d D FEE064 3 359.424 360.24 359.49 360.06 Um . 360.06 ES2016d D FEE064 3 379.569 380.646 379.95 380.52 Okay . 380.52 ES2016d D FEE064 3 381.776 397.245 381.8 397.01 So first I'll just discuss some of the criteria that I found . Just based on the past trend reports that I was looking at earlier . And then we'll do a group evaluation of the prototype . And then we will calculate the average score to see how we did . 385.61 390.58 394.24 397.01 ES2016d D FEE064 3 397.245 409.544 397.8 409.32 Um so the criteria we're gonna be looking at are the complaints um that we heard from the users who were interviewed earlier . So 408.25 ES2016d D FEE064 3 413.439 417.782 413.68 417.5 we're gonna be doing it based on a seven point scale . 417.5 ES2016d D FEE064 3 422.656 432.227 422.68 432.03 And one is going to mean true , that we did actually achieve that . With seven being false , we did not achieve that . 426.15 429.11 430.73 432.03 ES2016d D FEE064 3 434.667 435.856 434.667 435.856 . 435.856 ES2016d D FEE064 3 439.331 440.173 439.52 439.96 Okay . 439.96 ES2016d D FEE064 3 441.376 452.0 441.43 452.0 So for the first one , we need to decide , did we solved the problem of the users who complained about an ugly remote ? 443.4 444.31 451.7 ES2016d B MEO062 1 448.148 452.144 448.148 452.144 . 452.144 ES2016d A MEE061 0 452.288 461.84 452.31 461.71 I think it's definitely different than anything else out there . So if they think that what is out there is ugly , then yes I would say , I would say most definitely . It's bright . 455.58 457.92 459.95 460.91 461.71 ES2016d D FEE064 3 453.033 453.686 453.19 453.35 Mm . 453.35 ES2016d C MEE063 2 454.301 455.244 454.51 455.17 Yeah . 455.17 ES2016d C MEE063 2 458.929 460.107 459.1 459.73 I would . 459.73 ES2016d C MEE063 2 461.656 462.868 461.76 462.868 It's bright . It's 462.25 ES2016d A MEE061 0 462.837 464.784 463.03 464.72 It still has your traditional black . 464.72 ES2016d C MEE063 2 464.944 467.2 464.96 467.14 It's curved . It's not there's no sharp 465.82 ES2016d C MEE063 2 468.188 469.266 468.31 469.08 angles to it . 469.08 ES2016d A MEE061 0 468.729 470.345 468.85 470.15 Yep , not angular . 469.4 470.15 ES2016d D FEE064 3 470.561 471.112 470.8 470.93 Mm . 470.93 ES2016d B MEO062 1 471.344 483.752 471.37 483.46 I'd say , when it comes to the ergonomics , the form and stuff , yes that's definitely more beautiful than your average . However the colour , we don't have a say in that . 473.0 475.03 476.38 480.49 482.39 483.46 ES2016d D FEE064 3 481.893 484.721 482.19 484.721 Yeah I think the colours detract a little bit . 484.63 ES2016d C MEE063 2 483.757 485.474 483.92 485.06 Some people might say it . Yeah . 484.86 485.06 ES2016d B MEO062 1 484.4 506.576 484.42 506.576 That has been , that has been dictated pretty much by the company . So uh to answer that honestly I would rather say like uh , we have not solved the problem completely with the ugly remote because the colour is ugly , definitely . 'S nothing you can say about that . I mean I much prefer something like brushed chrome with that form . But 485.24 487.29 492.64 498.12 499.31 500.39 506.27 ES2016d A MEE061 0 485.934 487.278 486.28 487.1 Mm . 487.1 ES2016d D FEE064 3 487.482 488.492 487.63 488.35 That's true . 488.35 ES2016d A MEE061 0 488.079 489.065 488.079 488.9 Yep . 488.9 ES2016d D FEE064 3 495.073 496.016 495.28 495.81 Yeah . 495.81 ES2016d C MEE063 2 498.302 498.875 498.43 498.75 Yeah . 498.75 ES2016d C MEE063 2 504.784 505.552 504.81 505.1 Yeah . 505.1 ES2016d A MEE061 0 507.344 512.01 507.36 511.73 Yeah something more modern to go a a modern colour to go with the modern form . 511.73 ES2016d B MEO062 1 509.118 510.061 509.33 509.79 Right . 509.79 ES2016d B MEO062 1 511.856 514.775 511.9 514.59 Right . It's different . You don't want your uh 512.29 512.79 ES2016d B MEO062 1 515.728 523.68 515.8 523.6 three feet huge L_C_D_ dis display in your living room that's hanging from the wall to be controlled with something like that . 523.6 ES2016d D FEE064 3 525.616 528.519 525.64 528.519 Um okay so , do you think , since we 526.86 527.61 ES2016d D FEE064 3 529.052 535.747 529.18 535.64 This was a a sign criteria , do you think maybe we should put it somewhere in the middle then ? Does that sound good ? 531.33 533.85 535.64 ES2016d B MEO062 1 533.899 534.741 534.14 534.53 Yeah . 534.53 ES2016d A MEE061 0 535.426 535.965 535.57 535.89 Yeah . 535.89 ES2016d C MEE063 2 535.61 536.428 535.78 536.21 Yeah . 536.21 ES2016d D FEE064 3 537.128 538.946 537.23 538.64 What do you think ? Three ? Four ? 537.94 538.22 538.64 ES2016d A MEE061 0 540.645 542.16 540.88 541.96 I would say - ES2016d D FEE064 3 540.697 545.04 540.92 544.89 Five ? Four is fair . Okay . 543.84 544.55 544.89 ES2016d A MEE061 0 543.288 545.106 543.34 545.106 four . 545.02 ES2016d B MEO062 1 543.914 546.541 543.97 546.541 Yeah . 546.31 ES2016d A MEE061 0 546.08 547.261 546.11 547.17 Very non-committal , four . 546.81 547.17 ES2016d D FEE064 3 547.396 553.408 547.58 553.26 Okay , the second one . Did we make it simple for new users ? 548.92 550.45 553.26 ES2016d B MEO062 1 554.217 556.911 554.48 556.75 It's very intuitive , I think yeah . 556.1 556.75 ES2016d C MEE063 2 556.802 560.707 556.95 560.63 Yeah . I think that was the main aim , one of the main aims that we had . 557.24 558.87 560.63 ES2016d B MEO062 1 558.624 561.928 558.624 561.58 S give it a one . 561.58 ES2016d D FEE064 3 561.344 563.558 561.84 563.32 One , 'kay . 562.88 563.32 ES2016d A MEE061 0 562.244 562.884 562.37 562.6 Yeah . 562.6 ES2016d D FEE064 3 565.872 571.908 565.89 571.63 Okay . Um , do the controls now match the operating behaviour of the users ? 567.09 567.38 571.63 ES2016d C MEE063 2 572.656 586.084 572.88 585.9 Uh yeah . 'Cause we've we've brought it down to basically four controls most common , which are channel and volume . And then the other ones are just a matter of just going , just scrolling further . Yeah . 573.56 577.57 579.89 583.89 585.66 585.9 ES2016d D FEE064 3 573.292 574.242 573.5 574.242 I'd say that - ES2016d B MEO062 1 577.565 578.34 577.73 578.1 Right . 578.1 ES2016d A MEE061 0 577.882 578.656 578.07 578.56 Mm-hmm . 578.56 ES2016d A MEE061 0 583.909 586.299 584.01 586.11 S scrolling through and selecting a few . 586.11 ES2016d B MEO062 1 585.882 586.993 586.3 586.76 Right . 586.76 ES2016d D FEE064 3 587.748 591.115 587.94 591.115 So one ? Yeah ? 588.98 591.04 ES2016d B MEO062 1 588.003 589.047 588.22 588.87 So that's a one . 588.87 ES2016d A MEE061 0 589.161 590.306 589.3 590.15 I think that's a one . 590.15 ES2016d D FEE064 3 591.991 593.236 592.65 593.11 Okay . 593.11 ES2016d D FEE064 3 596.625 604.976 596.89 604.81 Okay um the fourth one . How about the problem of a remote being easily lost ? One of the number one complaints . 600.44 603.33 604.81 ES2016d B MEO062 1 604.144 607.547 604.16 606.95 Something that big and that yellow you just don't lose anymore . 606.95 ES2016d C MEE063 2 606.012 620.321 606.012 620.25 Yeah . It's bright yellow . Bright yellow's hard to lose . But um if we were to , if we were , that , the speech recognition . That , we could maybe just use that solely for the the finding thing . That was what we'd we'd mentioned . 607.55 608.51 610.23 612.5 613.42 613.99 614.93 615.07 618.32 620.25 ES2016d D FEE064 3 606.048 610.868 606.048 610.868 Whether you want to or not , you're not gonna lose it . 608.66 610.35 ES2016d A MEE061 0 619.648 623.722 619.85 623.722 So if we incorporate speech recognition into it then it could - ES2016d C MEE063 2 622.912 634.224 622.98 634.224 Just just to use , to find it when it was lost . But like I said , like I don't think you'd lose something so yellow so easily . And it's not gonna fall , like a rectangle would slip down behind things . That's gonna be a difficult shape to 624.1 625.12 625.64 629.06 631.02 632.9 ES2016d B MEO062 1 625.8 626.622 626.2 626.43 Oops . 626.43 ES2016d B MEO062 1 629.116 629.627 629.25 629.33 Hmm . 629.33 ES2016d B MEO062 1 634.969 636.485 635.15 636.485 Well what - ES2016d A MEE061 0 635.406 637.493 635.65 637.493 And it is quite bright and - ES2016d C MEE063 2 636.612 640.416 636.94 640.14 Yeah . Maybe in the middle again , three or four or something ? 638.31 639.11 640.14 ES2016d B MEO062 1 640.424 641.198 640.54 640.88 S - ES2016d D FEE064 3 640.448 641.323 640.79 641.03 Okay . 641.03 ES2016d A MEE061 0 640.524 641.433 640.91 641.433 Uh - ES2016d C MEE063 2 641.696 648.662 641.75 648.21 I mean you know loo losing things is one of those things that people can lose , I mean a million ways . You can pick it up and walk away with it and then you've lost it . 645.46 646.18 648.21 ES2016d A MEE061 0 645.103 645.81 645.16 645.47 Yeah . 645.47 ES2016d D FEE064 3 648.024 649.236 648.34 648.79 That's true . 648.79 ES2016d B MEO062 1 648.486 649.261 648.59 648.93 Mm . 648.93 ES2016d A MEE061 0 649.744 654.892 649.76 654.77 But if we do go with the , with the speech recognition , then it , then our scale goes up quite a bit I think . 650.95 652.18 652.71 654.77 ES2016d D FEE064 3 649.976 650.614 650.12 650.36 Mm . 650.36 ES2016d B MEO062 1 654.272 656.512 654.29 656.512 Oh yeah . You probably 654.92 ES2016d C MEE063 2 654.656 655.666 654.9 655.58 Yeah . 655.58 ES2016d A MEE061 0 655.33 663.04 655.51 662.97 Probably two . You know . If we eliminate the fact that you know it's impossible to guarantee that it's not gonna be lost then 656.9 657.5 ES2016d C MEE063 2 662.126 663.13 662.37 662.79 Yeah . 662.79 ES2016d B MEO062 1 662.878 663.794 663.22 663.56 Mm . 663.56 ES2016d A MEE061 0 664.252 665.33 664.4 665.07 I'd say two . 665.07 ES2016d A MEE061 0 668.697 672.636 668.91 672.52 With the speech recognition , which of course may 670.45 ES2016d A MEE061 0 673.382 675.604 673.53 675.4 be changed depending on budget . 675.4 ES2016d C MEE063 2 675.493 676.369 675.71 676.18 Yeah . 676.18 ES2016d B MEO062 1 676.72 680.118 676.74 680.04 Y you could add an extra feature actually . 680.04 ES2016d B MEO062 1 681.152 682.32 681.17 682.29 Which makes this thing - ES2016d B MEO062 1 683.451 687.222 683.62 686.9 raise hell when you remove it too far from the television . 686.9 ES2016d C MEE063 2 687.141 688.151 687.45 687.69 Yeah . 687.69 ES2016d B MEO062 1 689.579 693.956 689.87 693.67 We could add that but that's nothing we have thought of so far . 693.67 ES2016d A MEE061 0 692.911 697.136 693.08 697.136 Which , which may be cheaper than speech recognition if it were just a 693.68 ES2016d B MEO062 1 696.0 696.928 696.02 696.86 Yes . 696.86 ES2016d C MEE063 2 696.871 701.989 697.11 701.8 Yeah true . But I mean d just those whistling , clapping key rings you have . They're cheap . So it can't be that 697.7 699.08 700.58 701.1 ES2016d D FEE064 3 697.473 700.402 697.73 700.02 Annoying alarm or something ? Yeah . 699.51 700.02 ES2016d B MEO062 1 699.242 701.06 699.56 701.06 It's it's - ES2016d B MEO062 1 702.208 712.912 702.49 712.88 Um the it's based on this anti anti-theft technology for suitcases and stuff , where you have one piece that's attached to your luggage , another piece that starts beeping . That can't cost much . 708.13 710.18 711.86 712.88 ES2016d C MEE063 2 703.807 704.582 703.91 704.46 expensive . 704.46 ES2016d A MEE061 0 705.215 707.303 705.36 707.303 Some sort of proximity - ES2016d C MEE063 2 705.525 706.333 705.73 706.18 Yeah . 706.18 ES2016d C MEE063 2 712.846 713.452 713.01 713.24 Yeah . 713.24 ES2016d B MEO062 1 713.984 724.176 714.01 724.176 So that can also easily be integrated because these things are small enough to to hide , so you have one piece , you have to glue somewhere behind your stick it behind your T_V_ and the other 718.4 719.88 ES2016d C MEE063 2 720.658 723.552 720.658 723.4 stick it on the T_V_ . 723.4 ES2016d A MEE061 0 724.704 729.952 724.704 729.952 Pray that you don't accidentally lose that piece . 729.75 ES2016d B MEO062 1 727.035 737.92 727.57 737.82 Right . That'd be tough then . Well also your remote would uh alarm you if somebody stole you t your television , yeah . Ran off with it without taking the beautiful remote control . 728.93 730.41 734.23 735.42 737.82 ES2016d C MEE063 2 737.956 740.187 738.07 740.187 Yeah . 740.04 ES2016d D FEE064 3 740.476 743.742 740.71 743.22 So . Are we adding one of these 741.96 ES2016d D FEE064 3 744.381 746.873 744.42 746.78 two features ? gonna say okay . 745.26 746.78 ES2016d B MEO062 1 745.024 749.615 745.13 749.615 Let's add one of those features and say yes . 749.24 ES2016d A MEE061 0 747.191 747.932 747.4 747.72 Okay . 747.72 ES2016d D FEE064 3 747.748 751.486 747.99 751.33 So we're back to a one ? Or a two ? Two , 'kay . 749.93 750.85 751.21 751.33 ES2016d C MEE063 2 750.077 751.053 750.34 750.69 Two . 750.69 ES2016d B MEO062 1 750.659 751.467 750.73 751.33 Two . 751.33 ES2016d A MEE061 0 750.76 751.433 751.05 751.21 Two . 751.21 ES2016d D FEE064 3 753.034 756.637 753.15 756.36 Okay . Are we technologically innovative ? 753.84 756.36 ES2016d B MEO062 1 758.624 759.2 758.64 759.2 Uh - ES2016d C MEE063 2 759.067 763.312 759.067 763.23 I'd say so . Uh don't get many mo remote controls with 760.49 ES2016d B MEO062 1 761.752 762.863 761.97 762.863 It's all just - ES2016d C MEE063 2 764.808 765.784 764.9 765.62 screens on . 765.62 ES2016d B MEO062 1 765.84 775.758 765.86 775.62 It's all just stolen technology when it comes down to right right right right . 775.62 ES2016d C MEE063 2 766.727 769.69 766.91 769.36 Yeah it's stolen technology . But we have . 768.47 769.36 ES2016d D FEE064 3 766.717 768.939 766.96 768.939 From iPod yeah . 768.5 ES2016d A MEE061 0 767.543 768.755 767.82 768.755 It's - ES2016d A MEE061 0 769.9 776.566 770.07 776.38 But there's not a lot of yellow , there's not a lotta yellow . Course that wasn't really we were kinda forced to take that colour . 771.43 773.46 776.38 ES2016d D FEE064 3 769.848 772.373 770.17 771.97 But for remotes yeah . 771.97 ES2016d C MEE063 2 773.299 773.922 773.51 773.67 Fa - ES2016d D FEE064 3 777.76 779.646 777.79 779.27 Two ? Three ? 779.01 779.27 ES2016d C MEE063 2 779.892 782.787 779.892 782.68 'cause it's stolen . No maybe not . 782.07 782.68 ES2016d A MEE061 0 780.192 783.963 780.44 783.963 I don't know that we are that innovative , to tell you the truth . 782.24 783.6 ES2016d B MEO062 1 782.447 784.029 782.62 783.61 Yeah not really . 783.61 ES2016d D FEE064 3 783.72 787.458 783.91 787.17 But how many remotes do you see like this ? Not so many . 786.25 787.17 ES2016d A MEE061 0 786.432 795.983 786.45 795.81 If we added the screaming factor then we go up . Um I would say we're probably at four . 792.41 795.81 ES2016d B MEO062 1 791.639 792.548 791.98 792.45 Right . 792.45 ES2016d D FEE064 3 795.832 803.328 795.97 803.26 Really ? Okay . That's gonna hurt us . Okay . Um spongy material ? 796.53 798.61 800.76 801.53 803.26 ES2016d B MEO062 1 803.664 806.704 803.68 806.63 Yeah well you have that , kind of , sort of . 805.14 805.89 806.63 ES2016d A MEE061 0 804.333 806.219 804.53 805.75 We have some spongy , yeah . 805.5 805.75 ES2016d C MEE063 2 805.136 808.829 805.16 808.77 Yeah as much as as needed , I think . 808.4 808.77 ES2016d D FEE064 3 811.489 812.196 811.59 811.99 'Kay . 811.99 ES2016d B MEO062 1 812.688 815.312 812.74 815.21 It's not a one though . One would be the whole thing 813.99 ES2016d A MEE061 0 813.641 814.483 813.92 814.34 No . 814.34 ES2016d A MEE061 0 815.152 822.624 815.38 822.59 Yeah . Because it's only got what , these parts are the grips and perhaps the back side the bottom the underneath on the back . 815.78 818.36 822.59 ES2016d B MEO062 1 816.435 817.883 816.65 817.79 to fold and stuff . 817.79 ES2016d B MEO062 1 820.962 821.562 821.1 821.47 Yeah . 821.47 ES2016d C MEE063 2 821.841 822.649 822.1 822.53 Yeah . 822.53 ES2016d B MEO062 1 822.967 825.762 823.19 825.67 So that's a four at most . 825.67 ES2016d A MEE061 0 824.584 826.907 824.67 826.59 Probably a four at most . 826.59 ES2016d D FEE064 3 828.979 833.861 829.05 833.64 And lastly , did we put the fashion in electronics ? 830.84 833.64 ES2016d A MEE061 0 828.86 830.712 829.13 830.32 Possibly even a five . 830.32 ES2016d B MEO062 1 835.036 837.258 835.06 837.258 Y yes . More 836.75 ES2016d D FEE064 3 835.949 837.386 835.97 837.27 I'd say we did . 837.27 ES2016d C MEE063 2 835.915 836.454 836.03 836.26 Yeah . 836.26 ES2016d A MEE061 0 836.556 841.101 836.67 841.101 If your fashion is b is Carmen Miranda , you betcha . 839.24 841.01 ES2016d C MEE063 2 839.148 841.168 839.46 841.168 Yeah . 841.03 ES2016d B MEO062 1 841.309 850.344 841.309 850.344 Well the recent fashion is rather displayed in the in the L_C_D_ and the way you operate it than the form and the colour , but it definitely is 848.96 ES2016d C MEE063 2 844.333 845.283 844.62 845.283 On the - ES2016d A MEE061 0 845.734 846.745 846.01 846.46 It's true . 846.46 ES2016d C MEE063 2 847.404 848.111 847.52 848.05 Yeah . 848.05 ES2016d C MEE063 2 849.876 852.166 850.05 852.0 Be what we were told , and they'd say yeah , definitely . 851.01 851.67 852.0 ES2016d B MEO062 1 851.952 852.448 851.952 852.448 . 852.448 ES2016d D FEE064 3 852.395 853.169 852.68 852.97 'Kay . 852.97 ES2016d D FEE064 3 854.272 864.651 854.36 864.37 Alright . Now we just gotta calculate . Six eight twelve sixteen . 857.03 861.16 864.37 ES2016d D FEE064 3 866.031 868.176 866.23 867.93 Seventeen divided by s - ES2016d C MEE063 2 869.136 870.449 869.136 870.449 . 870.449 ES2016d A MEE061 0 870.072 871.217 870.23 871.217 Seven is - ES2016d D FEE064 3 870.577 871.62 871.37 871.45 Eight . 871.45 ES2016d A MEE061 0 872.598 873.675 872.85 873.675 Two point - ES2016d A MEE061 0 881.689 883.709 881.689 883.39 two point four ? 883.39 ES2016d C MEE063 2 882.72 885.312 882.87 885.05 Is that some long division ? No . 884.99 885.05 ES2016d D FEE064 3 885.272 887.2 885.5 887.11 Well I haven't done math in years . 887.11 ES2016d A MEE061 0 885.337 886.262 885.73 886.13 Something . 886.13 ES2016d D FEE064 3 888.976 892.448 889.0 892.17 What two I dunno . 892.17 ES2016d C MEE063 2 892.248 894.639 892.36 894.49 Just , I'm sure there's a . 892.68 894.49 ES2016d D FEE064 3 893.42 895.137 893.55 895.0 Okay we'll say two point four two . 895.0 ES2016d D FEE064 3 896.551 897.326 896.73 897.12 Right ? 897.12 ES2016d D FEE064 3 898.302 899.481 898.43 899.29 How does that look ? 899.29 ES2016d B MEO062 1 900.56 905.472 900.58 905.472 I'm impressed . I can't do that without a calculator . 901.18 905.32 ES2016d D FEE064 3 902.29 905.489 902.29 905.36 It's been a while . 905.36 ES2016d C MEE063 2 902.24 905.169 902.35 905.13 No I can't do long very impressive . 905.13 ES2016d A MEE061 0 910.832 913.616 910.85 913.57 And what what is the acceptable criteria ? 913.57 ES2016d A MEE061 0 915.86 918.486 916.08 918.19 Is there like a scale that we have to hit ? 918.19 ES2016d D FEE064 3 917.745 920.176 918.1 920.05 Oh no . They just told me to 918.97 ES2016d D FEE064 3 921.213 925.624 921.213 925.51 pick my own criteria and have you guys evaluate it basically . 925.51 ES2016d A MEE061 0 926.567 927.914 926.89 927.84 Alright then . 927.84 ES2016d D FEE064 3 930.608 931.921 930.87 931.72 So that's that . 931.72 ES2016d A MEE061 0 934.816 938.789 935.07 938.37 Okay . Well , let's see . 935.65 937.36 938.37 ES2016d A MEE061 0 939.358 944.944 939.57 944.85 Now we get to do the budget numbers . You didn't know that you were gonna have a budget . 942.87 944.85 ES2016d A MEE061 0 947.312 948.524 947.5 948.09 But we do . 948.09 ES2016d A MEE061 0 951.117 952.352 951.47 952.31 Okay . 952.31 ES2016d C MEE063 2 951.904 957.984 951.98 957.94 Yeah . Yeah so . You'd been going a long time dividing that . It's two point four two eight five se it just keeps going on . 952.07 954.3 955.81 957.94 ES2016d D FEE064 3 957.722 959.103 957.97 959.0 Oh my god . Okay . 958.73 959.0 ES2016d C MEE063 2 958.806 960.557 959.07 960.32 Two point four two basically . 960.32 ES2016d D FEE064 3 960.618 962.032 960.92 961.93 Yeah we'll go with that . 961.93 ES2016d B MEO062 1 963.065 969.392 963.065 969.33 Fifty percent , you're kidding . P 966.07 967.42 ES2016d D FEE064 3 963.009 964.423 963.17 964.3 Not too shabby . 964.3 ES2016d A MEE061 0 963.137 965.325 963.27 965.325 So I have here an - ES2016d A MEE061 0 966.704 967.344 966.83 967.24 Yeah . 967.24 ES2016d A MEE061 0 968.264 972.506 968.41 972.46 We want a fifty percent profit on this . Oh you can't really see that very well . 970.69 972.46 ES2016d C MEE063 2 972.207 974.943 972.207 974.49 Charge about three hundred quid for it . 974.49 ES2016d A MEE061 0 974.512 979.872 974.512 979.872 Twelve and a half Euros is what supposed to cost us . Okay , so 978.64 979.27 ES2016d B MEO062 1 980.658 981.735 980.8 981.43 It's too much . 981.43 ES2016d A MEE061 0 982.169 984.944 982.45 984.944 Well let's see . The f the 984.22 ES2016d B MEO062 1 982.914 983.89 983.13 983.89 Um - ES2016d A MEE061 0 985.604 987.254 985.78 987.254 Wonder if I can make this - ES2016d B MEO062 1 991.701 992.509 991.84 992.509 Uh - ES2016d A MEE061 0 992.704 993.318 992.84 993.318 What the - ES2016d A MEE061 0 1002.779 1004.766 1003.01 1004.47 Oh it won't let me do that . 1004.47 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1007.024 1008.0 1007.06 1007.7 Okay . 1007.7 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1009.984 1032.784 1010.01 1032.68 Alright so at top , I don't know if you guys can read that or not . I can't 'cause I don't have my glasses on , but so we've got the energy source . There's uh four , five , six categories . We have energy source , electronics , case . Then we have case material supplements , interface type , and then button supplements . 1012.26 1013.98 1015.44 1017.85 1020.19 1020.96 1022.25 1023.64 1024.61 1026.11 1028.95 1030.7 1032.68 ES2016d B MEO062 1 1018.249 1019.36 1018.67 1019.0 Battery . 1019.0 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1033.84 1034.832 1033.88 1034.832 Okay so - ES2016d A MEE061 0 1035.872 1038.992 1035.9 1038.96 Uh first of all energy source , we picked battery . 1037.78 1038.96 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1040.064 1043.904 1040.1 1043.78 Um and how many batteries do we think this will probably take ? Probably 1043.44 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1044.832 1046.368 1044.85 1046.33 some e either two or four . 1046.33 ES2016d B MEO062 1 1046.909 1048.163 1047.46 1047.84 Two . 1047.84 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1048.064 1048.55 1048.08 1048.32 Two ? 1048.32 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1051.311 1053.538 1051.311 1053.538 Like it . 1053.37 ES2016d B MEO062 1 1052.422 1057.708 1052.67 1057.48 At four it's gonna be too heavy , so that that's not our problem . People can change it every month . 1054.24 1055.92 1057.48 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1057.536 1062.144 1057.536 1062.11 Excellent . 1062.11 ES2016d B MEO062 1 1058.314 1062.88 1058.314 1062.78 They won't know until after they bought it . 1062.78 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1063.762 1076.657 1064.03 1076.53 This is consumerism . Alright so for the electronics our choices are simpl simple chip-on-print , regular chip-on-print , advanced chip-on-print , sample sensor , sample speaker . 1065.99 1071.31 1072.68 1074.03 1075.34 1076.53 ES2016d B MEO062 1 1073.775 1074.55 1073.775 1074.55 . 1074.55 ES2016d C MEE063 2 1077.338 1078.988 1077.46 1078.77 We're advanced chip are we ? 1078.77 ES2016d B MEO062 1 1078.471 1080.727 1078.7 1080.39 That's the advanced chip-on-print , yeah . 1080.15 1080.39 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1080.664 1082.953 1080.76 1082.65 'Kay , we have one of those . 1081.47 1082.65 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1086.688 1089.519 1086.83 1089.519 'Kay then the case is a - ES2016d A MEE061 0 1090.384 1092.246 1090.4 1092.17 Probably it's double curved . 1092.17 ES2016d B MEO062 1 1091.097 1093.216 1091.37 1092.63 Double curved , yes . 1092.06 1092.63 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1097.2 1100.864 1097.28 1100.8 Case materials are plastic . 1100.8 ES2016d B MEO062 1 1099.01 1100.222 1099.17 1099.95 Plastic . 1099.95 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1102.564 1108.861 1102.85 1108.6 Um I guess it's two , since one for the top , one for the bottom . Is that right or is it just one ? 1104.71 1105.67 1107.15 1108.6 ES2016d B MEO062 1 1106.512 1110.068 1106.56 1109.93 N no . No that's just one . 1108.88 1109.93 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1109.366 1110.847 1109.4 1110.847 Maybe it's one because of the - ES2016d B MEO062 1 1111.344 1114.412 1111.49 1114.33 It's just one mo single mould , we can do that . 1113.21 1114.33 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1114.012 1114.753 1114.21 1114.58 'Kay . 1114.58 ES2016d C MEE063 2 1114.24 1115.25 1114.37 1114.95 Yeah yeah . 1114.95 ES2016d D FEE064 3 1114.752 1117.04 1115.2 1117.04 Right . 1116.79 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1116.807 1122.43 1117.01 1122.27 I guess it doesn't matter 'cause the price on that one is zero , which is nice . Special colour ? 1119.36 1121.18 1122.27 ES2016d B MEO062 1 1119.26 1121.248 1119.43 1120.77 Exactly , right . 1120.26 1120.77 ES2016d D FEE064 3 1119.597 1120.304 1119.81 1120.17 Oh . 1120.17 ES2016d B MEO062 1 1122.796 1127.712 1122.98 1127.37 That's not a special colour . It's a specially ugly colour , but it's not special . 1124.62 1126.08 1127.37 ES2016d D FEE064 3 1124.304 1125.49 1124.32 1125.36 Bright yellow . 1125.36 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1125.965 1136.928 1125.965 1136.78 Interface type . We have pushbutton , scroll-wheel interface , integrated scroll-wheel pushbutton , and an L_C_D_ display . 1129.71 1130.57 1132.67 1134.95 1136.78 ES2016d C MEE063 2 1129.849 1130.528 1130.05 1130.41 S - ES2016d B MEO062 1 1132.541 1133.815 1132.63 1133.815 S - ES2016d C MEE063 2 1134.794 1135.636 1135.02 1135.636 That's - ES2016d C MEE063 2 1136.864 1137.522 1136.88 1137.24 Yeah . 1137.24 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1138.528 1142.048 1138.63 1141.95 So we actually have the L_C_D_ display - ES2016d C MEE063 2 1142.224 1142.848 1142.29 1142.848 And then - ES2016d A MEE061 0 1142.919 1145.141 1143.04 1145.141 and then is it the integrated or is it - ES2016d C MEE063 2 1144.236 1145.718 1144.43 1145.55 I'd say the integrated . 1145.55 ES2016d B MEO062 1 1145.37 1147.39 1145.55 1147.05 Yes unfortunately . 1147.05 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1145.848 1146.622 1146.0 1146.59 Yeah . 1146.59 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1148.88 1158.001 1149.1 1157.72 'Kay . Button supplement ? Special colour ? Um special form ? Special material . 1149.62 1150.36 1152.21 1156.42 1157.72 ES2016d C MEE063 2 1151.44 1151.879 1151.49 1151.73 Mm . 1151.73 ES2016d B MEO062 1 1158.096 1163.76 1158.45 1163.61 We could of course make the buttons wood . Say mahogany or so 1162.25 ES2016d D FEE064 3 1164.158 1167.794 1164.158 1167.42 It'd look really lovely . Yeah . 1167.03 1167.42 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1166.016 1168.405 1166.22 1168.34 Or titanium . They cost us all the same . 1167.27 1168.34 ES2016d B MEO062 1 1166.072 1167.756 1166.35 1167.72 Mm-hmm or titanium . 1167.72 ES2016d C MEE063 2 1167.704 1169.893 1167.704 1169.62 remote control . 1169.62 ES2016d B MEO062 1 1168.672 1169.843 1168.79 1169.843 Uh just - ES2016d A MEE061 0 1169.03 1176.16 1169.12 1176.13 Well we only have one button so really we shouldn't be charged , we shouldn't be charged anything for the the button supplements . 1172.49 1176.13 ES2016d C MEE063 2 1172.366 1173.612 1172.52 1173.38 No that's getting a bit - ES2016d C MEE063 2 1174.251 1174.891 1174.29 1174.71 tiny . 1174.71 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1177.168 1177.696 1177.2 1177.696 Um - ES2016d C MEE063 2 1177.82 1179.167 1177.98 1179.07 Yeah . I'd ignore that . 1178.35 1179.07 ES2016d D FEE064 3 1179.863 1180.907 1179.99 1180.65 Leave it blank . 1180.65 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1180.816 1189.872 1180.89 1189.68 Okay . We're gonna leave that one blank because we run on a L_C_D_ and scroll . So our total is fifteen point five . 1181.69 1186.27 1189.68 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1191.312 1193.744 1191.34 1193.68 Which I believe is - ES2016d B MEO062 1 1192.047 1193.63 1192.37 1193.2 Yeah that's too much . 1193.2 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1194.896 1197.312 1194.92 1196.82 by three Euros over . 1196.82 ES2016d B MEO062 1 1198.276 1199.791 1198.35 1199.45 It's hard to believe . 1199.45 ES2016d B MEO062 1 1201.52 1205.376 1201.54 1205.376 So we'll go for the hand dynamo huh ? 1205.25 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1207.657 1212.656 1207.79 1212.56 So the only thing better than um a banana-shaped remote is one that you shake . 1212.56 ES2016d C MEE063 2 1209.654 1210.597 1209.88 1210.21 If it w - ES2016d C MEE063 2 1212.608 1224.064 1212.63 1223.99 What if we completely took out the the one single button we've got on . And just had a scroll wheel interface . And the L_C_D_ display . I suppose the L_C_D_ C_ display's the one that's pushing it up a bit though . 1216.15 1219.88 1221.45 1223.99 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1227.472 1228.544 1227.51 1228.544 Yeah 'cause the - ES2016d A MEE061 0 1229.39 1231.915 1229.65 1231.68 Well 'cause we have to have both right ? 1231.68 ES2016d C MEE063 2 1231.824 1232.464 1231.87 1232.24 Yeah . 1232.24 ES2016d B MEO062 1 1232.864 1247.534 1233.5 1247.534 I mean let's let's face it , it also depends on the software on the on the television . You can have the the information that this thing transmits be being displayed on the on the screen . So s yeah let's take away the 1234.84 1238.09 1245.32 ES2016d C MEE063 2 1237.144 1237.716 1237.28 1237.65 Yeah . 1237.65 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1244.575 1245.417 1244.75 1245.17 Mm-hmm . 1245.17 ES2016d C MEE063 2 1246.72 1253.328 1246.74 1253.29 Yeah you could maybe take out the L_C_D_ dis display even , if it if it comes up on the computer itsel on the T_V_ itself . 1249.66 1253.29 ES2016d B MEO062 1 1248.578 1250.093 1248.84 1249.71 Yeah . Yeah . 1249.39 1249.71 ES2016d B MEO062 1 1253.509 1254.418 1253.73 1254.03 Right . 1254.03 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1254.24 1256.644 1254.37 1256.37 So we may not need the L_C_D_ display ? 1256.37 ES2016d C MEE063 2 1256.182 1258.102 1256.42 1257.84 Uh that is possible yeah . 1257.84 ES2016d B MEO062 1 1258.795 1261.422 1259.22 1261.18 Right . We may not need it . 1260.39 1261.18 ES2016d B MEO062 1 1264.789 1266.371 1265.01 1266.13 There you go . Perfect . 1265.76 1266.13 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1265.466 1268.126 1265.64 1267.55 Well there we go . Twelve point five . 1266.64 1267.55 ES2016d C MEE063 2 1266.014 1266.788 1266.18 1266.55 There we go . 1266.55 ES2016d D FEE064 3 1266.317 1267.627 1266.317 1267.56 Perfect . 1267.56 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1269.809 1270.482 1269.93 1270.32 Okay . 1270.32 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1271.526 1275.129 1271.7 1275.129 So we just remove our - ES2016d C MEE063 2 1275.408 1280.384 1275.5 1280.18 Screen . Make it a bigger dial . Easier to use . Even easier to use then . 1276.66 1277.88 1279.02 1280.18 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1276.033 1277.112 1276.11 1277.05 screen here . 1277.05 ES2016d B MEO062 1 1281.635 1288.317 1281.635 1288.317 Okay , the 1287.25 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1282.499 1286.336 1282.72 1286.01 Besides look at what the L_C_D_ does to our lovely remote . 1286.01 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1287.55 1290.032 1287.86 1289.85 Back to the design room boys . 1289.85 ES2016d B MEO062 1 1289.892 1291.172 1289.94 1290.8 So we can just - ES2016d B MEO062 1 1292.013 1295.852 1292.11 1295.63 take away a heck of a lot of the there you go . 1295.63 ES2016d D FEE064 3 1293.472 1294.928 1293.472 1294.928 . 1294.928 ES2016d B MEO062 1 1297.622 1301.44 1297.622 1301.11 central ? Oh that's just yeah . 1299.38 1301.11 ES2016d D FEE064 3 1297.529 1302.864 1297.65 1302.864 What's the blue part ? Oh that's the batteries . Okay . 1299.24 1300.96 1302.61 ES2016d C MEE063 2 1298.269 1301.936 1298.6 1301.936 That was just we ran out of yellow . 1301.72 ES2016d B MEO062 1 1303.75 1305.299 1303.94 1305.22 There you go . Oops . 1305.0 1305.22 ES2016d C MEE063 2 1304.027 1306.148 1304.36 1305.98 There you go . Even simpler . 1305.29 1305.98 ES2016d D FEE064 3 1307.798 1309.448 1308.13 1309.2 Looks more like a banana . 1309.2 ES2016d C MEE063 2 1309.523 1312.89 1309.69 1312.52 Yeah . For all those fruit lovers out there . 1310.91 1312.52 ES2016d B MEO062 1 1310.989 1312.942 1311.22 1312.57 There you go . One more criteria . 1311.57 1312.57 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1314.417 1336.736 1314.417 1336.736 Okay so the costs under twelve point five Euro . Was no . We redesigned it . Now it's yes . Next slide . Project evaluation . Uh project process , satisfaction with , for example , room for creativity , leadership , teamwork , means , new ideas found . Um 1319.31 1320.08 1321.82 1323.39 1325.79 1327.48 1329.17 1330.29 1332.17 1332.99 1333.42 1333.86 1334.4 1336.16 ES2016d C MEE063 2 1321.6 1322.385 1321.65 1322.22 Yeah . 1322.22 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1338.976 1340.0 1339.09 1340.0 So - ES2016d A MEE061 0 1343.568 1345.601 1343.59 1345.601 I guess that - ES2016d A MEE061 0 1347.79 1349.002 1348.11 1348.75 Let's see here . 1348.75 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1363.824 1368.602 1363.84 1368.54 I think that perhaps the project evaluation's just supposed to be completed by me . But 1368.03 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1369.208 1370.88 1369.43 1370.85 I'd like to hear your thoughts . 1370.85 ES2016d B MEO062 1 1371.861 1382.224 1371.861 1382.224 Fair enough . 1382.15 ES2016d D FEE064 3 1376.905 1381.814 1377.07 1381.814 Trying to fill in some time there . 1381.24 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1381.901 1385.201 1382.22 1384.84 Uh h what did you think of our project process ? 1384.84 ES2016d C MEE063 2 1387.936 1391.552 1387.96 1391.552 I think we did yeah I think we did quite well . Um 1390.6 ES2016d B MEO062 1 1387.832 1389.143 1388.19 1389.143 Great . 1388.78 ES2016d B MEO062 1 1389.929 1390.575 1390.03 1390.47 Yeah . 1390.47 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1390.621 1391.379 1390.69 1391.09 Good . 1391.09 ES2016d D FEE064 3 1390.608 1394.704 1390.9 1394.704 Good teamwork . 1394.53 ES2016d B MEO062 1 1391.636 1394.835 1391.75 1394.52 Just half a day , you have a remote . There you go . 1392.59 1393.7 1394.52 ES2016d C MEE063 2 1393.387 1396.148 1393.68 1395.99 Yeah . Right from the start of the day . 1394.82 1395.99 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1397.068 1398.247 1397.31 1398.247 Yeah I think - ES2016d C MEE063 2 1397.529 1399.919 1397.69 1399.76 We sort of knew where we were going straight away I thought . 1399.76 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1398.692 1407.952 1398.692 1407.952 we st we started off a little little weak . Our leadership was quite weak in the beginning . Um um 1402.33 1404.87 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1409.021 1413.095 1409.13 1412.96 But as the day went along we had more idea of what we were doing . 1412.96 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1414.224 1419.121 1414.34 1419.05 Um room for creativity ? There was that . Um I 1417.04 1418.37 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1419.877 1422.268 1419.97 1422.23 think we tried a lotta different things and um - ES2016d A MEE061 0 1423.454 1432.592 1423.54 1432.56 I think it was um interesting as you guys brought up more um information and studies that we were right on with a lot of those things . 1432.56 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1433.728 1438.736 1433.75 1438.7 Um you guys worked together well as a team . And um the means ? 1436.49 1438.7 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1440.192 1442.304 1440.21 1442.27 Which was the whiteboard and the pens . 1442.27 ES2016d C MEE063 2 1440.384 1442.64 1440.4 1442.19 Yeah . We've used the whiteboard . 1441.33 1442.19 ES2016d B MEO062 1 1442.398 1443.812 1442.61 1443.41 Super super . 1443.41 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1443.664 1448.697 1443.8 1448.56 I had some problem with the pen I think , but minus your p 1445.87 ES2016d D FEE064 3 1445.417 1448.279 1445.6 1447.81 Minus your PowerPoint fiasco . 1447.81 ES2016d B MEO062 1 1446.896 1454.0 1446.896 1454.0 Well that's not my fault . That's obviously the people I work for uh that work for me , uh they've just you know 1449.17 1452.52 ES2016d D FEE064 3 1449.176 1455.232 1449.3 1455.232 No I know . I'm yeah . Incom 1449.99 1451.99 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1451.098 1451.974 1451.21 1451.974 Well - ES2016d B MEO062 1 1455.296 1457.161 1455.47 1456.9 Heads are gonna roll , believe me . 1456.22 1456.9 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1455.269 1458.848 1455.55 1458.78 Have a we have a list of employees that you would like fired . 1458.78 ES2016d B MEO062 1 1458.979 1460.056 1459.1 1459.95 Yes yes . 1459.95 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1460.072 1463.936 1460.43 1463.936 Okay . N new ideas found ? Um 1460.97 1463.21 ES2016d D FEE064 3 1464.432 1466.415 1464.47 1466.22 Mm . Kinda . 1465.66 1466.22 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1466.736 1470.576 1466.79 1470.54 Yes for the remote . Maybe no not f for 1468.09 ES2016d C MEE063 2 1470.996 1472.242 1471.02 1472.07 Technology used . 1472.07 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1471.823 1473.001 1472.09 1472.76 technology . 1472.76 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1475.216 1480.832 1475.26 1480.76 Alright . Closing . Costs are within the budget . Project is evaluated . 1476.21 1477.35 1479.13 1480.76 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1482.548 1487.026 1482.84 1486.98 Um complete the final questionnaire and meeting summary . That's it . 1486.51 1486.98 ES2016d C MEE063 2 1487.117 1488.026 1487.28 1487.76 Excellent . 1487.76 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1490.326 1494.112 1490.7 1494.112 And I still have to do my minutes for the last meeting . 1493.87 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1498.71 1499.518 1498.94 1499.39 Actually . 1499.39 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1502.192 1504.333 1502.21 1504.14 Um so there will probably be another - ES2016d A MEE061 0 1506.353 1508.137 1506.73 1507.89 questionnaire coming up . 1507.89 ES2016d D FEE064 3 1509.314 1511.839 1509.57 1511.76 We might have a while though . 1511.76 ES2016d A MEE061 0 1509.92 1516.755 1509.99 1516.6 And then we'll have to check with the main boss whether we can , what goes on after that . But that's the end of our meeting . 1513.94 1515.45 1516.6 ES2016d B MEO062 1 1510.223 1511.2 1510.223 1511.2 . 1511.2 IS1000a C MIO050 2 37.136 38.656 37.25 38.01 Okay . 38.01 IS1000a D MIO016 3 38.212 41.392 38.71 41.34 Or you get it . Okay . 40.89 41.34 IS1000a C MIO050 2 44.701 51.456 44.93 51.42 No I don't think so it has to be like that yeah and you have to adjust the length . 51.42 IS1000a C MIO050 2 69.576 72.912 70.02 72.86 Okay , and then . 72.25 72.86 IS1000a B MIO082 1 92.24 97.52 92.24 97.48 So we uh we will wait for Anna , a few minutes . 96.68 97.48 IS1000a C MIO050 2 95.344 99.2 96.02 99.02 Yeah , s yeah , um . 97.14 98.59 99.02 IS1000a D MIO016 3 104.928 108.24 104.96 108.24 Mm . Yours is well 105.45 IS1000a C MIO050 2 110.88 113.168 110.91 113.13 I think you can put anywhere you want , actually . 112.7 113.13 IS1000a D MIO016 3 113.856 116.416 114.31 116.416 Yeah but the the mic should not - IS1000a C MIO050 2 114.337 114.761 114.49 114.73 I thin - IS1000a C MIO050 2 116.848 118.688 116.89 118.65 It's not a directional mic , anyway . 118.25 118.65 IS1000a B MIO082 1 122.273 133.553 122.88 133.43 I think it should work like this . So I will try to get my presentation running . 126.94 133.43 IS1000a C MIO050 2 126.032 126.992 126.4 126.88 Uh . 126.88 IS1000a D MIO016 3 132.925 134.489 133.07 134.12 Yeah . 134.12 IS1000a C MIO050 2 133.13 134.445 133.51 134.26 Yeah . 134.26 IS1000a B MIO082 1 138.052 138.876 138.26 138.75 Mm . 138.75 IS1000a D MIO016 3 141.36 143.04 141.52 142.97 Mm . Can't help you with that . 141.98 142.97 IS1000a C MIO050 2 142.832 144.896 143.39 144.61 Last . 144.61 IS1000a B MIO082 1 144.689 147.376 144.84 147.15 It's no matter . 147.15 IS1000a D MIO016 3 144.16 145.824 144.85 145.79 Okay , it's y yeah . 145.11 145.79 IS1000a B MIO082 1 148.891 149.531 148.98 149.33 No problem . 149.33 IS1000a B MIO082 1 150.592 151.872 150.61 151.6 Ah yes . 151.6 IS1000a D MIO016 3 154.192 154.784 154.37 154.61 Right . 154.61 IS1000a C MIO050 2 158.786 159.853 158.83 159.64 Okay . 159.64 IS1000a D MIO016 3 161.712 163.936 161.88 163.89 Then press uh al - IS1000a C MIO050 2 164.817 165.665 165.23 165.59 Okay . 165.59 IS1000a D MIO016 3 165.344 167.045 165.37 166.72 This . You know ? 166.36 166.72 IS1000a B MIO082 1 166.024 168.16 166.09 168.13 I don't know . Just try . 167.57 168.13 IS1000a C MIO050 2 169.024 169.504 169.27 169.47 'Kay . 169.47 IS1000a B MIO082 1 169.792 171.168 169.96 171.168 On this normal - IS1000a D MIO016 3 170.144 170.912 170.19 170.87 Oh oh . 170.87 IS1000a C MIO050 2 171.088 172.927 171.11 172.43 Alt F_ five . 172.43 IS1000a B MIO082 1 174.048 177.44 174.1 176.95 Good . Doesn't appear on the screen here . 174.96 176.95 IS1000a D MIO016 3 179.248 181.424 179.28 181.424 Right well - IS1000a B MIO082 1 183.617 183.911 183.66 183.87 Oh . 183.87 IS1000a D MIO016 3 184.016 188.848 184.08 188.8 Wow . Amazing . It's working . 185.64 186.39 188.8 IS1000a B MIO082 1 188.016 192.624 188.04 192.49 Okay . Thank you . Uh . 189.32 191.7 192.49 IS1000a A FIE081 0 208.222 208.731 208.3 208.68 Hold that . 208.68 IS1000a B MIO082 1 212.912 215.12 212.93 215.12 Yes and you can put can clip it uh on your - IS1000a A FIE081 0 213.113 213.488 213.26 213.44 Okay . 213.44 IS1000a B MIO082 1 216.331 216.9 216.44 216.87 Somewhere . 216.87 IS1000a A FIE081 0 216.624 218.016 216.64 217.97 Okay . Mm . 217.54 217.97 IS1000a B MIO082 1 224.448 226.384 224.47 226.35 So , good morning , everyone . 225.52 225.99 226.35 IS1000a B MIO082 1 227.584 227.984 227.6 227.984 Um - IS1000a B MIO082 1 229.04 236.4 229.22 235.93 Welcome at uh at the kick off meeting of our uh latest project . I hope you all have been uh updated about it . 233.5 235.93 IS1000a D MIO016 3 236.96 237.6 236.98 237.34 Yeah . 237.34 IS1000a B MIO082 1 238.448 239.074 238.52 239.02 Good . 239.02 IS1000a C MIO050 2 238.736 239.923 238.76 239.89 So . Yes . 239.76 239.89 IS1000a B MIO082 1 240.32 257.632 240.34 257.58 So w we will try to structure this uh meeting with an a with an agenda uh as presented here . Um after the opening we will tr get acquainted to each other . See what our roles are in this project . 247.91 255.03 257.58 IS1000a B MIO082 1 258.752 260.32 258.77 260.32 So , um 259.33 IS1000a B MIO082 1 261.632 266.272 262.14 266.272 We have been provided with uh some uh w technical tools to uh - IS1000a B MIO082 1 267.44 276.24 267.9 276.21 to communicate and to well , learn from each other's plans uh as I can say um so w 271.16 IS1000a B MIO082 1 277.328 279.376 277.53 279.29 we will also try to uh - IS1000a B MIO082 1 280.48 300.304 281.28 300.17 to get acquainted to this tools so they are also new to me I don't know whether you worked with them before . Um then we will come to the uh to the to the actual project plan . You all know I hope how it's about uh the uh new r remote control we are going going to design . 288.56 293.77 300.17 IS1000a A FIE081 0 298.336 298.64 298.36 298.6 Mm-hmm . 298.6 IS1000a C MIO050 2 299.197 300.012 299.33 299.98 Total . 299.98 IS1000a B MIO082 1 301.68 307.28 301.7 307.28 Uh then we will uh discuss uh , well , how it should be and uh 305.65 305.94 IS1000a B MIO082 1 308.944 319.136 309.62 319.1 wh what uh what our new product should look lite like . And uh well then uh after some twenty five minutes I hope uh we can end this meeting . 313.46 319.1 IS1000a B MIO082 1 322.048 331.248 322.58 331.248 So . Um basically this is about a uh a new c remote control . Um 323.83 329.95 IS1000a B MIO082 1 333.829 355.888 334.07 355.85 We When you design a new product you of uh you of course want it to be original . Be uh we want to be distinguished , mm ? People uh want to uh when they look at the shelf want to think , well that's the product I I need . So it needs to be trendy . I mean trendy is what people want , so then I w they will buy our product . 339.99 342.1 342.62 347.69 350.37 352.04 353.65 355.85 IS1000a B MIO082 1 357.664 369.152 357.68 369.12 But then , uh , it also should work uh user friendly and uh otherwise people uh uh well it will not be uh 358.46 358.9 IS1000a B MIO082 1 370.544 373.84 370.58 373.68 be rated very well in consumer uh articles and like that . 373.68 IS1000a B MIO082 1 378.64 391.568 378.66 391.568 So , the general outline of uh new project will be we first uh go through a functional design phase . Um 379.12 390.67 IS1000a B MIO082 1 392.944 400.32 392.96 400.23 You all get uh um certain task uh in this uh in this phase and uh - IS1000a B MIO082 1 401.376 408.848 401.41 408.81 then we will meet again and uh discuss this functional design . And the same holds for the uh 405.76 IS1000a B MIO082 1 409.509 413.392 409.75 413.26 ph two phases uh after this , the conceptual design 412.15 IS1000a B MIO082 1 414.512 424.112 414.71 423.98 and after that a a more detailed design in which the the final project should get its definite shape . 423.98 IS1000a B MIO082 1 426.416 429.488 426.45 429.45 Alright , but first we will do some uh tool training . 426.79 429.45 IS1000a B MIO082 1 431.104 435.68 431.25 435.64 In all in front of you uh you see uh the uh - IS1000a B MIO082 1 436.688 439.92 436.71 439.85 notebooks and w uh n note blocks and we have here a - IS1000a B MIO082 1 441.52 443.456 441.54 443.39 a a a white-board . 443.39 IS1000a C MIO050 2 442.759 443.502 442.8 443.41 Whitebo - IS1000a A FIE081 0 443.52 443.776 443.55 443.74 Mm-hmm . 443.74 IS1000a B MIO082 1 445.856 458.96 445.88 458.96 And um well it should work uh I've read it from my uh from some colleague that it should work with some kind of toolbar . I didn't find out yet how it work , but maybe one of you did , so 454.57 456.73 458.56 IS1000a B MIO082 1 460.384 460.832 460.4 460.832 Um - IS1000a D MIO016 3 460.96 463.36 461.0 463.33 Under documents in the shared folder . Okay . 463.1 463.33 IS1000a B MIO082 1 464.224 471.2 464.26 471.17 Yes . Do Do we have to say something about that ? I I I'm not fully updated about this shared folder uh . 465.55 467.41 471.17 IS1000a D MIO016 3 472.48 478.701 472.5 478.41 Yeah , I guess we'll have a shared folder uh with documents that we can share . And uh , yeah . 472.63 476.57 478.04 478.41 IS1000a B MIO082 1 478.0 482.08 478.02 482.05 Yes well we will then find out ho how it works . 482.05 IS1000a D MIO016 3 482.64 483.152 482.66 483.05 Yes . 483.05 IS1000a B MIO082 1 483.632 484.304 483.65 484.27 Um . 484.27 IS1000a B MIO082 1 486.336 490.512 486.42 490.47 Well , this seems to me , yes , some computer program but I didn't find it yet . 486.7 487.6 488.46 490.47 IS1000a B MIO082 1 491.948 493.872 492.0 493.83 So , we'll come to that later . 492.87 493.83 IS1000a B MIO082 1 495.28 500.352 495.3 500.32 So , uh now we will try out the white-board we have here . 496.75 500.32 IS1000a B MIO082 1 502.272 503.68 502.29 502.68 So , 502.68 IS1000a B MIO082 1 504.944 507.264 504.97 507.264 I would suggest uh - IS1000a D MIO016 3 507.488 508.64 507.51 508.51 Each of us is going . 508.51 IS1000a B MIO082 1 508.784 521.541 508.8 521.541 Well , yes , um we uh we should try to t to draw on it and then well it should be smart some way . I I'm not really sure how this works , but 509.21 509.76 517.07 521.08 IS1000a D MIO016 3 521.168 522.4 521.19 522.32 Okay , shall I start ? 521.68 522.32 IS1000a A FIE081 0 522.085 523.322 522.34 523.15 Mm . Yeah . 522.77 523.15 IS1000a C MIO050 2 522.448 524.128 522.47 524.08 Yeah , you can start it you know . 522.84 524.08 IS1000a B MIO082 1 522.68 525.014 522.85 524.93 Yes , a good idea Mael . 523.19 524.93 IS1000a A FIE081 0 524.112 528.736 524.13 528.7 I think for us it's just like a normal whiteboard , but they'll be recording what we write down . 526.57 528.7 IS1000a D MIO016 3 527.68 528.912 527.85 528.72 So , i 528.13 IS1000a C MIO050 2 528.832 534.041 528.85 533.76 No they will record through that . There's a sensor over there which is going to record the strokes that you make . 530.24 533.76 IS1000a A FIE081 0 531.088 532.192 531.12 532.15 Mm . Mm . 532.0 532.15 IS1000a A FIE081 0 533.216 535.36 533.24 535.29 But for us it's just like a normal whiteboard . 535.29 IS1000a B MIO082 1 533.455 533.955 533.61 533.85 Okay . 533.85 IS1000a C MIO050 2 534.759 535.313 534.97 535.26 Yeah . 535.26 IS1000a B MIO082 1 536.208 536.496 536.23 536.45 'Kay . 536.45 IS1000a D MIO016 3 539.776 540.448 539.8 540.448 But it's - IS1000a D MIO016 3 544.992 547.792 545.11 547.792 Actually , I think I cannot go with uh 545.71 IS1000a B MIO082 1 548.384 548.896 548.4 548.896 You you - IS1000a B MIO082 1 551.342 552.679 551.54 552.38 D doesn't it work ? 552.38 IS1000a B MIO082 1 553.504 561.568 553.6 560.96 Maybe someo Maybe maybe Anna , maybe you can start . Then he can maybe find out to get his cord right . 555.59 556.82 560.96 IS1000a A FIE081 0 555.602 556.013 555.66 555.88 Mm-hmm . 555.88 IS1000a D MIO016 3 555.712 557.344 555.73 556.98 Yeah . 556.98 IS1000a A FIE081 0 562.131 563.295 562.38 563.09 I have to draw . 563.09 IS1000a B MIO082 1 562.576 564.336 562.6 564.336 So um - IS1000a B MIO082 1 565.042 571.264 565.16 571.23 L Why don't you draw uh your favourite animal on on th on the white-board . 571.23 IS1000a A FIE081 0 569.872 574.72 570.62 574.68 M my my favourite animal . Sorry this is all tangled up here . 573.58 574.68 IS1000a B MIO082 1 579.2 581.776 579.42 581.776 Oh , I see uh 579.72 IS1000a A FIE081 0 580.96 581.969 580.98 581.81 That's better . 581.81 IS1000a C MIO050 2 584.352 584.832 584.46 584.79 Yeah . 584.79 IS1000a B MIO082 1 585.536 586.128 585.56 586.08 Yeah . 586.08 IS1000a B MIO082 1 587.542 588.545 587.63 588.46 Yes . Mm . 588.3 588.46 IS1000a B MIO082 1 594.427 597.449 594.54 597.449 So draw it . We will try to guess what it is . 595.05 597.32 IS1000a A FIE081 0 595.664 600.896 595.69 600.65 Mm-hmm . I'm a very bad drawer . 597.19 600.65 IS1000a A FIE081 0 602.8 603.2 602.83 603.08 Weird . 603.08 IS1000a A FIE081 0 607.056 612.32 607.11 612.24 Um . You're not gonna be able to guess from my drawing . I'm a bad drawer . Okay . 608.48 610.75 611.89 612.24 IS1000a B MIO082 1 614.688 614.976 614.73 614.94 Mm . 614.94 IS1000a A FIE081 0 617.58 621.315 617.71 621.18 They're ears , by the way . No . Um close though . 618.1 619.08 619.87 621.18 IS1000a C MIO050 2 617.678 618.591 617.72 618.37 's a cat . 618.37 IS1000a A FIE081 0 626.727 628.486 626.75 628.23 Okay so like a pet animal . 628.23 IS1000a D MIO016 3 631.409 633.456 631.409 633.31 Okay . 633.31 IS1000a A FIE081 0 634.912 636.688 634.912 636.65 Like a cat . 636.65 IS1000a C MIO050 2 637.12 637.584 637.14 637.55 Yeah . 637.55 IS1000a B MIO082 1 639.216 641.74 639.34 641.74 It's like a cat , so I guess it's a cat . 640.08 641.68 IS1000a A FIE081 0 641.328 643.392 641.35 643.35 No , not a cat though . 641.93 643.35 IS1000a B MIO082 1 645.008 645.84 645.03 645.8 What is this now ? 645.8 IS1000a C MIO050 2 658.848 660.389 658.87 660.22 Ah you forget about it . 660.22 IS1000a D MIO016 3 661.584 662.288 661.6 662.25 You're on the knife . 662.25 IS1000a C MIO050 2 662.624 669.12 662.65 669.07 Yeah , uh I think it's fine . I just don't want to carry it off . 663.75 667.23 669.07 IS1000a C MIO050 2 671.018 675.218 671.29 675.01 Man , this wires , eh ? We need a wireless microphone . 671.78 673.26 673.41 675.01 IS1000a C MIO050 2 678.768 683.648 678.79 683.56 You know ? Pro specially we should next project we should take l like that . 680.79 683.56 IS1000a B MIO082 1 688.506 691.394 688.88 691.36 So , that's the cat . Oh . 690.15 691.14 691.36 IS1000a A FIE081 0 688.752 694.956 688.96 694.956 Okay . So . It's not a cat , it's a dog . Yes . 689.51 690.26 691.32 692.77 694.56 IS1000a C MIO050 2 691.192 691.909 691.38 691.81 So . 691.81 IS1000a D MIO016 3 690.837 691.972 691.54 691.79 Mael . 691.79 IS1000a B MIO082 1 692.048 692.832 692.26 692.78 It's a dog . 692.78 IS1000a B MIO082 1 694.188 697.032 694.35 696.81 So but that's also kind of cat , isn't it ? 696.2 696.81 IS1000a C MIO050 2 695.664 697.312 695.69 697.12 Oh the dog doesn't have a tail ? 697.12 IS1000a A FIE081 0 697.104 698.816 697.104 698.78 It's got a tail then . 698.78 IS1000a B MIO082 1 697.856 699.76 697.88 699.68 B bo both predators . 699.68 IS1000a C MIO050 2 698.928 703.376 698.95 703.28 Yeah , sure , yeah . I thought so . The dogs have a tail . 699.66 700.12 701.37 702.05 703.28 IS1000a A FIE081 0 700.56 701.552 700.6 701.48 Yeah yeah . 701.48 IS1000a B MIO082 1 703.232 707.178 703.29 706.66 So , thank you . Uh d did you uh work out cord ? 703.47 704.0 706.66 IS1000a A FIE081 0 703.184 708.144 703.49 708.144 So do cats . And you guessed cats without a tail . 705.53 707.73 IS1000a C MIO050 2 708.031 708.552 708.06 708.48 Yeah . 708.48 IS1000a D MIO016 3 708.496 712.24 708.52 712.21 Yeah , I think I will go without without it , right ? 708.75 712.0 712.21 IS1000a A FIE081 0 710.048 711.04 710.34 710.67 Okay . 710.67 IS1000a B MIO082 1 712.384 712.816 712.4 712.78 Okay . 712.78 IS1000a C MIO050 2 715.824 718.464 715.86 718.42 It'll still not extend , right ? It's not up to that . 717.18 717.41 718.42 IS1000a A FIE081 0 722.384 729.355 722.42 729.23 Okay , there you go . So what favourite characteristics . Uh . Dogs are always friendly and loyal and fun . 722.77 723.78 726.08 726.49 729.23 IS1000a A FIE081 0 749.778 750.72 750.07 750.58 A horse ? 750.58 IS1000a C MIO050 2 750.56 751.504 750.59 751.47 It's a horse . 751.47 IS1000a A FIE081 0 753.168 762.128 753.168 762.128 This is why you're the designer . And I'm marketing . 757.54 761.93 IS1000a B MIO082 1 757.609 766.56 757.81 766.56 Yes . Yes , yes this is Yes definitely a horse . Yes . Oh very good . So 758.26 758.78 762.27 762.76 766.18 IS1000a A FIE081 0 766.768 767.712 766.79 767.712 Ah - IS1000a B MIO082 1 767.428 768.778 767.71 768.778 I suppose it - IS1000a C MIO050 2 767.903 770.496 768.01 770.1 Ah I think you can put that . 770.1 IS1000a A FIE081 0 775.536 776.544 775.57 776.48 Mm-hmm . That's it . 776.15 776.48 IS1000a A FIE081 0 780.448 784.24 780.448 784.09 A blue and black zebra . 784.09 IS1000a B MIO082 1 785.232 786.48 785.25 786.41 Yes . 786.41 IS1000a B MIO082 1 790.08 794.4 790.23 794.4 Can you can meet them in Africa , I think . Yes . Very good . So 791.74 792.47 793.06 794.19 IS1000a A FIE081 0 794.528 796.496 794.55 796.42 The very rare blue zebras . Yes . 796.03 796.42 IS1000a C MIO050 2 796.464 800.422 796.464 800.422 I'll tell to get it off my - IS1000a B MIO082 1 798.032 798.8 798.05 798.77 Ma Matthew ? 798.77 IS1000a C MIO050 2 805.266 805.906 805.41 805.84 Uh ? 805.84 IS1000a C MIO050 2 808.993 810.38 809.24 810.24 Mm-hmm . 810.24 IS1000a B MIO082 1 809.696 810.432 809.98 810.432 So - IS1000a A FIE081 0 813.246 815.728 813.44 815.66 You got a lot of room here . You can probably reach . 814.33 815.66 IS1000a B MIO082 1 813.603 814.015 813.7 814.015 Maybe - IS1000a C MIO050 2 815.54 817.138 815.64 816.9 Oh y it's not for that . 816.9 IS1000a A FIE081 0 817.228 817.605 817.25 817.43 No ? 817.43 IS1000a C MIO050 2 817.76 817.984 817.84 817.95 No . 817.95 IS1000a B MIO082 1 818.321 822.288 818.54 822.24 I hope you have some space in your uh the horse of uh Mael . 822.24 IS1000a C MIO050 2 820.614 821.56 820.64 821.18 Okay . Yeah . 820.84 821.18 IS1000a C MIO050 2 825.918 827.972 826.41 827.78 So what should I draw ? Mm . 827.56 827.78 IS1000a C MIO050 2 828.787 831.296 828.82 831.24 He has already to do cat . 831.24 IS1000a A FIE081 0 831.392 834.448 831.48 834.448 I took a dog . 834.0 IS1000a A FIE081 0 841.216 841.904 841.26 841.86 Um . 841.86 IS1000a A FIE081 0 843.44 844.56 843.57 844.45 A mouse ? 844.45 IS1000a B MIO082 1 849.408 855.952 849.43 855.952 This looks likes a cat who has been driven over . 855.43 IS1000a A FIE081 0 852.608 857.072 852.608 856.93 Okay . 856.93 IS1000a D MIO016 3 857.472 865.456 857.49 865.26 Yeah . And we should sum up its favourite charas characteristics , right ? 860.58 864.45 865.26 IS1000a A FIE081 0 866.136 868.254 866.37 868.254 Mm-hmm . 867.98 IS1000a B MIO082 1 870.208 871.786 870.23 871.48 Yes , the moustache . 870.47 871.48 IS1000a D MIO016 3 871.072 872.976 872.3 872.976 So - IS1000a B MIO082 1 873.058 874.96 873.42 874.86 That's that's definitely a cat . 874.86 IS1000a A FIE081 0 875.088 875.392 875.13 875.36 Mm-hmm . 875.36 IS1000a D MIO016 3 875.6 881.952 875.62 881.92 Uh yeah . And i Th They like to sleep , that's why you said you they are like this . 876.82 878.88 881.92 IS1000a B MIO082 1 886.911 894.112 886.911 894.08 It's quite , you know relaxed situation . Yes . 890.07 893.74 894.08 IS1000a D MIO016 3 887.116 887.495 887.17 887.31 Yeah . 887.31 IS1000a A FIE081 0 894.912 895.264 894.95 895.23 Mm-hmm . 895.23 IS1000a B MIO082 1 906.176 909.232 906.2 909.232 Yes , okay . 906.45 909.13 IS1000a D MIO016 3 910.713 913.024 910.713 912.99 She has the small legs . 912.99 IS1000a B MIO082 1 912.944 913.984 912.96 913.81 Th thank you , Matthew . 913.46 913.81 IS1000a D MIO016 3 914.036 915.536 914.06 915.28 Yeah . 915.28 IS1000a D MIO016 3 918.224 922.797 918.224 922.67 Thank you , Matthew . Perfect . 919.54 922.24 922.67 IS1000a A FIE081 0 920.144 926.722 920.144 926.722 It's a very big rat . Or a very small cat . 923.26 926.57 IS1000a D MIO016 3 923.449 925.668 923.449 925.43 Oh a rat , okay . 924.47 925.43 IS1000a B MIO082 1 927.523 930.352 927.93 930.352 Yes , this is certain uh 928.26 IS1000a B MIO082 1 931.456 941.536 931.62 940.57 some contribution to our project . So . Let's see . Which animal has not been drawn yet . 934.19 936.67 937.92 940.57 IS1000a D MIO016 3 932.32 934.237 932.51 934.237 And you , 934.11 IS1000a A FIE081 0 932.808 933.279 932.88 933.19 Mm 'kay . 933.19 IS1000a A FIE081 0 933.568 935.344 933.59 934.92 Your turn . 934.92 IS1000a B MIO082 1 952.24 957.248 952.27 957.21 So you've all drawn land animals , so why not draw an animal from the water . 954.11 957.21 IS1000a D MIO016 3 956.448 958.56 956.47 958.51 A bird . Okay , in the water . 957.86 958.09 958.51 IS1000a A FIE081 0 968.928 972.046 968.95 972.046 Ah I don't know what that is . It's a bit 971.26 IS1000a D MIO016 3 971.312 972.708 971.35 972.64 Mm . 972.64 IS1000a B MIO082 1 971.993 977.14 971.993 977.14 Mm . 977.09 IS1000a A FIE081 0 972.303 973.888 972.66 973.888 It's a bit hard to guess . 973.76 IS1000a D MIO016 3 973.648 980.817 973.648 980.69 Yeah . Put it colours . Maybe it would help us . 978.36 979.02 980.69 IS1000a C MIO050 2 977.408 977.728 977.43 977.728 So - IS1000a A FIE081 0 979.984 980.4 980.0 980.37 Yeah . 980.37 IS1000a B MIO082 1 980.624 980.976 980.64 980.94 Yes . 980.94 IS1000a C MIO050 2 981.104 983.621 981.22 983.27 The cat is going to eat the fish or the rat ? 983.27 IS1000a D MIO016 3 982.832 984.496 982.85 984.46 With different pen widths . 984.46 IS1000a A FIE081 0 983.722 986.0 983.722 985.04 Mm-hmm - IS1000a B MIO082 1 987.248 987.881 987.27 987.881 So - IS1000a A FIE081 0 993.344 994.208 993.41 994.17 Oh , it's a shark now . 993.51 994.17 IS1000a D MIO016 3 994.128 995.136 994.15 995.1 Ah it's a shark , yeah . 994.83 995.1 IS1000a B MIO082 1 995.968 998.992 996.0 998.93 Oh , yes , why not ? Good idea . 996.26 996.69 997.86 998.93 IS1000a C MIO050 2 999.344 1005.44 999.36 1005.38 Ah it's a baby shark , it looks to me , you know it's going to eat the cat rather than the cat eating the fish , no ? 1000.32 1001.28 1005.22 1005.38 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1001.28 1001.6 1001.3 1001.57 Mm . 1001.57 IS1000a D MIO016 3 1004.352 1005.664 1004.83 1005.49 Oh . 1005.49 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1005.456 1007.424 1005.67 1007.39 Now it's a swordfish . 1007.39 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1010.432 1011.629 1010.46 1011.43 Why not . A swordfish . 1010.91 1011.43 IS1000a D MIO016 3 1010.848 1015.056 1010.87 1015.02 You have some in in Australia , right ? Yeah . I dunno . 1012.47 1013.64 1014.31 1015.02 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1013.04 1016.096 1013.07 1016.06 Swordfish . Um , maybe . 1014.29 1015.64 1016.06 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1017.344 1018.528 1017.36 1018.48 I've never seen one , no . 1018.24 1018.48 IS1000a D MIO016 3 1017.354 1017.933 1017.6 1017.87 Oh well . 1017.87 IS1000a D MIO016 3 1018.816 1019.104 1018.86 1019.04 Yeah . 1019.04 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1021.849 1024.656 1022.01 1024.656 I hope it still works . So 1024.36 IS1000a D MIO016 3 1023.856 1028.88 1023.89 1028.88 Perfect . So I dunno if we need to spend time on that , actually But uh 1024.39 1026.61 IS1000a C MIO050 2 1028.19 1031.125 1028.48 1030.96 You should go for the next one it seems to me . 1030.96 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1029.158 1036.832 1029.29 1036.8 W Well , this uh this tool seemed to work . Let's continue to uh to the real stuff . 1030.06 1033.78 1036.8 IS1000a D MIO016 3 1033.024 1034.224 1033.04 1034.18 Yeah , exactly , yeah . 1033.61 1034.05 1034.18 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1033.001 1033.89 1033.27 1033.71 Mm-hmm . 1033.71 IS1000a D MIO016 3 1035.904 1037.488 1035.93 1037.38 Wow . 1037.38 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1039.056 1042.848 1039.08 1042.81 Um our project uh finance uh - IS1000a B MIO082 1 1043.849 1057.84 1044.24 1057.8 thing . Uh when we are and when w you are uh going to design w uh we must keep in mind that the selling price of the product uh will be about twenty five Euros , so when 1045.01 1056.44 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1059.056 1067.485 1059.08 1067.25 designing a project uh I also look at you uh Mael , keep in mind uh uh uh People uh 1064.87 IS1000a C MIO050 2 1058.827 1060.071 1059.18 1059.92 Twenty four . 1059.92 IS1000a D MIO016 3 1064.352 1064.608 1064.39 1064.54 Yeah . 1064.54 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1068.288 1072.976 1068.31 1072.91 want to get the feeling this is a twenty five Euro project uh pr um - IS1000a D MIO016 3 1073.278 1075.92 1073.59 1075.89 Per remote control , yeah ? Per project . 1074.66 1075.04 1075.89 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1073.954 1074.594 1074.05 1074.54 product . 1074.54 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1074.827 1075.502 1074.99 1075.36 Mm . 1075.36 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1076.112 1098.176 1076.13 1098.1 Yes . Okay . Um more interesting for our company of course , p uh profit aim , about fifty million Euro . So we have to sell uh quite a lot of this uh um things . Uh we will try to uh 1076.83 1077.96 1081.48 1083.65 1086.04 1095.07 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1099.408 1106.656 1099.43 1106.57 to get at a international market uh so um it will be I think mainly Europe and uh Northern America , 1106.57 IS1000a C MIO050 2 1106.656 1109.046 1106.68 1108.98 Ah yeah , the sale man , four million . 1107.19 1108.08 1108.98 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1107.888 1109.568 1107.91 1109.44 maybe some uh Asian countries . 1109.44 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1110.992 1125.104 1111.01 1125.07 Um also important for you all is um the the product uh production cost must be maximal uh twelve uh twelve Euro and fifty cents . 1125.07 IS1000a D MIO016 3 1123.632 1128.752 1123.632 1128.36 So it's half of the selling price , if I am good in mathematics . 1126.52 1128.36 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1127.584 1133.6 1127.6 1133.55 Yes , of course . Uh um I mean we still have to uh to make a profit , huh ? 1128.12 1128.7 1133.36 1133.55 IS1000a D MIO016 3 1133.696 1134.352 1133.72 1134.32 Of course . 1134.32 IS1000a C MIO050 2 1133.37 1136.924 1133.83 1136.924 They have to sell at least four million to make a profit - IS1000a A FIE081 0 1134.265 1135.403 1134.45 1135.403 Mm . 1135.07 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1134.768 1136.112 1134.79 1136.06 You all have to be paid . 1136.06 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1136.368 1136.688 1136.4 1136.65 Mm . 1136.65 IS1000a C MIO050 2 1138.048 1142.691 1138.07 1142.66 Ah we have to make we have to sell at least four million to make our own profit . Fifty mill 1142.08 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1137.904 1139.272 1138.14 1138.68 Excuse me ? 1138.68 IS1000a D MIO016 3 1141.507 1146.848 1141.94 1146.76 Oh you're g very good in mathematics . Four million . 1146.0 1146.76 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1143.141 1143.959 1143.36 1143.959 Yes . 1143.65 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1145.168 1146.807 1145.19 1146.7 Yes , indeed . 1146.06 1146.7 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1147.856 1161.312 1148.25 1161.24 So uh well I think w when we are working on the international market , uh in principle it has enough customers uh so when we have a good product we uh we could uh meet this this aim , I think . 1152.6 1160.89 1161.24 IS1000a D MIO016 3 1149.168 1149.544 1149.19 1149.39 Yeah . 1149.39 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1162.464 1163.888 1162.48 1163.79 So , that about finance . 1162.73 1163.79 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1165.056 1180.544 1165.08 1179.44 And uh now just let have some discussion about what is a good remote control and uh well keep in mind this this first point , it has to be original , it has to be trendy , it has to be user friendly . 1175.73 1176.88 1178.11 1179.44 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1182.032 1191.712 1182.06 1191.67 Um , maybe someone can mention some additional uh prerequisites for a good remote control . 1183.94 1191.67 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1190.16 1190.571 1190.32 1190.53 Mm-hmm . 1190.53 IS1000a C MIO050 2 1195.008 1197.536 1195.54 1197.536 Of course it should have a on off button . 1197.42 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1197.68 1198.048 1197.71 1197.98 Mm-hmm . 1197.98 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1198.574 1204.464 1198.92 1204.43 Yes , well i it should have the the the the expected functionality uh of a remote control . 1199.18 1204.43 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1202.548 1202.939 1202.62 1202.9 Mm . 1202.9 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1204.544 1204.736 1204.56 1204.7 Yeah . 1204.7 IS1000a C MIO050 2 1204.48 1210.208 1204.59 1210.208 Yeah , s and it depends what application you are using it for . You might need uh 1205.08 1208.93 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1208.276 1208.702 1208.4 1208.67 Mm . 1208.67 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1210.432 1212.112 1210.45 1212.08 We wer we were thinking television . Uh . 1211.84 1212.08 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1212.032 1212.336 1212.05 1212.3 Mm . 1212.3 IS1000a C MIO050 2 1212.304 1226.995 1212.33 1226.73 We are targ targeting the television set . So , you need to record the channels . You need to browse the browse the channels in upward downward way , 1214.95 1216.03 1219.45 1226.73 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1215.68 1215.968 1215.71 1215.92 Mm . 1215.92 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1217.952 1218.176 1217.97 1218.14 Yeah . 1218.14 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1218.944 1219.344 1218.97 1219.3 Mm-hmm . 1219.3 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1225.632 1236.736 1225.98 1236.7 Yes , yes . Th th that's very handy I I always miss it and on some remote controls that you can go channel up or down ins instead of retyping the number , especially when you have a lot of channels . 1226.66 1226.93 1234.85 1236.7 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1226.384 1226.624 1226.41 1226.59 Mm . 1226.59 IS1000a C MIO050 2 1229.264 1229.648 1229.4 1229.648 Uh - IS1000a C MIO050 2 1230.832 1231.584 1230.85 1231.584 And - IS1000a A FIE081 0 1233.44 1233.776 1233.47 1233.73 Mm . 1233.73 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1235.04 1235.248 1235.06 1235.21 Mm . 1235.21 IS1000a C MIO050 2 1236.16 1237.424 1236.19 1237.424 Uh , and 1237.07 IS1000a D MIO016 3 1237.088 1264.649 1237.12 1264.649 And uh just before starting the detailed discussion , maybe we You are the marketing guy ? Or th So you are the marketing . And you are in the u use user interface uh design . So just yeah I wanted to to be sure . And I I'm the the industrial designer okay . Because I I don't know you very well , actually , but yeah . Okay . Mael . Happy to meet you . Okay . It's very uh 1239.87 1241.78 1245.23 1249.22 1251.08 1255.43 1256.96 1257.35 1257.98 1258.98 1260.01 1261.49 1262.17 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1241.984 1243.157 1242.12 1243.02 I'm marketing . 1243.02 IS1000a C MIO050 2 1242.432 1243.104 1242.55 1243.06 Marketing . 1243.06 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1244.669 1244.963 1244.69 1244.81 Yep . 1244.81 IS1000a C MIO050 2 1247.456 1247.824 1247.48 1247.75 Yeah . 1247.75 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1247.937 1248.355 1248.08 1248.21 Yes . 1248.21 IS1000a C MIO050 2 1249.193 1249.682 1249.23 1249.46 Yeah . 1249.46 IS1000a C MIO050 2 1250.954 1251.606 1251.08 1251.43 Sure . 1251.43 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1254.544 1254.848 1254.58 1254.81 Mm-hmm . 1254.81 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1254.944 1255.456 1254.96 1255.38 Yes . 1255.38 IS1000a C MIO050 2 1255.573 1256.29 1255.69 1256.04 Oh . 1256.04 IS1000a C MIO050 2 1257.152 1269.136 1257.17 1268.99 I'm Matthew . You know . Matth s uh Anna . And um uh Matthew , yeah . I thi think you know me , yeah ? right yeah . 1258.12 1259.51 1262.89 1265.6 1266.37 1267.4 1267.77 1268.99 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1261.2 1261.616 1261.23 1261.57 Anna . 1261.57 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1263.36 1264.832 1263.38 1264.61 A and I'm Nanne . 1264.61 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1266.36 1266.914 1266.51 1266.914 So - IS1000a D MIO016 3 1266.56 1274.535 1266.59 1274.43 Uh so yeah uh Just uh on your web page but uh yeah not uh not face to face . 1274.43 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1267.732 1269.173 1267.78 1269.01 Yes . 1269.01 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1271.871 1273.664 1272.0 1273.664 So . Um 1273.23 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1276.424 1276.924 1276.44 1276.58 S - IS1000a D MIO016 3 1276.896 1277.888 1276.896 1277.888 So mm - IS1000a C MIO050 2 1277.029 1277.91 1277.05 1277.8 So . 1277.8 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1277.386 1278.381 1277.56 1278.04 S s - IS1000a A FIE081 0 1278.544 1278.848 1278.58 1278.81 Mm . 1278.81 IS1000a D MIO016 3 1278.926 1280.08 1278.926 1279.93 So I - IS1000a B MIO082 1 1278.879 1283.808 1279.03 1283.77 Are there some other very important things to to do well , 1283.77 IS1000a C MIO050 2 1279.05 1279.507 1279.1 1279.507 So - IS1000a B MIO082 1 1285.36 1293.689 1285.38 1293.59 to specify in this first phase of of the project . So the browse function , as you m mentioned . 1289.75 1291.9 1293.59 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1291.36 1294.304 1291.39 1294.21 Mm . Yeah . Oth yeah . 1292.64 1293.53 1294.21 IS1000a C MIO050 2 1293.072 1294.048 1293.16 1294.0 And uh , 1294.0 IS1000a C MIO050 2 1295.6 1314.608 1295.62 1314.608 you'd need the usual ones , like the changing the volume , changing the the channel and then you uh Today we have uh um teletext and all those things . Tomorrow you might have a some more functions which might come through that , so 1296.85 1298.81 1309.85 1314.15 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1303.232 1304.203 1303.25 1304.08 Yes . Yeah . 1303.73 1304.08 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1312.903 1314.005 1313.28 1313.66 Yes . 1313.66 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1313.584 1313.904 1313.61 1313.86 Mm . 1313.86 IS1000a D MIO016 3 1313.936 1317.743 1313.96 1317.71 Like what ? Like internet on the on T_V_ ? 1314.75 1317.71 IS1000a C MIO050 2 1316.08 1319.664 1316.1 1319.58 Yeah I_P_O_ or . Now we are looking for 1318.18 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1316.368 1316.784 1316.4 1316.75 Mm . 1316.75 IS1000a C MIO050 2 1320.72 1328.416 1320.74 1328.37 television things or I_P_ . For example personal video recorder and all those stuffs are coming up . 1323.83 1328.37 IS1000a D MIO016 3 1323.849 1324.284 1323.92 1324.16 Yeah . 1324.16 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1326.16 1326.528 1326.19 1326.49 Mm . 1326.49 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1328.352 1331.424 1328.61 1331.37 But we can't really design for something that hasn't been invented yet . 1331.37 IS1000a C MIO050 2 1329.464 1329.986 1329.71 1329.93 Yeah . 1329.93 IS1000a C MIO050 2 1331.472 1337.584 1331.49 1337.52 Ah it's it's it's it's coming up , actually . The personal video recorder and all those things it is coming up . 1333.37 1334.16 1337.52 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1336.208 1338.672 1336.23 1338.672 Mm , well uh I I think 1337.0 IS1000a D MIO016 3 1341.12 1343.132 1341.12 1343.132 Actually , yeah w 1342.09 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1341.472 1349.504 1341.49 1349.47 Uh w y you two should should , I think , think this over uh w espec what , what functionality . 1343.72 1344.74 1348.46 1349.47 IS1000a C MIO050 2 1342.088 1343.474 1342.11 1343.474 Let's Let's take - IS1000a D MIO016 3 1349.536 1368.192 1349.56 1368.192 Of course , and first before um designing the func well thinking about the functionalities , we need to know what are the user requirements . Um then if they need internet , then we would be able to to p to propose something with uh uh T_V_ over I_P_ . But before 1350.04 1355.54 1358.03 1360.7 1367.05 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1357.045 1358.112 1357.26 1358.08 Mm . Yeah . 1357.88 1358.08 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1358.72 1359.16 1358.75 1359.13 Mm-hmm . 1359.13 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1359.28 1359.488 1359.3 1359.45 Yeah . 1359.45 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1361.392 1361.632 1361.42 1361.6 Mm . 1361.6 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1363.552 1363.792 1363.57 1363.76 Yeah . 1363.76 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1367.381 1367.675 1367.4 1367.675 But - IS1000a A FIE081 0 1368.16 1379.728 1368.18 1379.69 Ninety percent of the time , ninety nine percent of the time , people will be using the main functions , the volume , the different channels , so we can have all the fancy things as well but the main controls need to be very obvious and very easy to use . 1369.26 1370.53 1372.26 1373.22 1373.94 1379.69 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1379.024 1388.032 1379.07 1388.0 Mm mm mm . Keep k keep in mind i it's a it's a twenty five Euro unit , so uh uh the the very fancy stuff uh 1380.28 1383.87 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1389.248 1400.08 1389.54 1400.04 w we can leave that out , I think . So twenty five Euro you expect a quite , well normal but good functioning user friendly remote control . 1390.58 1391.36 1395.61 1400.04 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1391.664 1391.968 1391.69 1391.93 Mm . 1391.93 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1396.752 1397.024 1396.77 1396.97 Mm . 1396.97 IS1000a C MIO050 2 1400.432 1413.136 1400.45 1413.136 Oh in that case you can you always hook up with uh someone who is providing that and you know , you you sell their product as well as your product with them , you know . 1407.79 1410.8 1412.98 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1410.592 1410.848 1410.62 1410.81 Mm . 1410.81 IS1000a D MIO016 3 1412.997 1420.224 1413.09 1420.224 Yeah , but w w we want to design a new one . Mm . 1413.23 1419.78 1420.13 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1412.937 1415.034 1413.11 1415.034 So try and get T_V_ manufacturers to - IS1000a C MIO050 2 1413.573 1424.464 1413.573 1424.464 Yeah . No , it's okay , yeah I understand . So we need some numbering buttons , some teletext things and then um 1418.1 1418.36 1418.97 1420.19 1421.67 IS1000a D MIO016 3 1420.433 1420.747 1420.5 1420.68 Yeah . 1420.68 IS1000a D MIO016 3 1424.48 1426.849 1424.51 1426.75 The Yeah , the main is browsing . Yeah . 1424.88 1426.56 1426.75 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1425.504 1434.096 1425.52 1434.05 Yes , but but but ab about the spec the buttons , the buttons uh that will be on it . I I think we can discuss that in the in the next meeting . 1425.75 1428.74 1430.73 1434.05 IS1000a C MIO050 2 1428.664 1429.316 1428.76 1429.13 Yeah . 1429.13 IS1000a C MIO050 2 1434.224 1434.608 1434.24 1434.56 Yeah . 1434.56 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1435.328 1441.52 1435.35 1441.46 Uh I would like to get this wrapped up and go to an end of this meeting . 1441.46 IS1000a C MIO050 2 1441.936 1442.448 1442.0 1442.41 Okay . 1442.41 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1443.589 1444.122 1443.68 1444.122 So - IS1000a C MIO050 2 1443.664 1445.832 1443.7 1445.75 Okay , we are alread mm . Mm . 1444.09 1445.63 1445.75 IS1000a D MIO016 3 1445.136 1445.68 1445.31 1445.64 Okay . 1445.64 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1445.6 1449.552 1445.62 1449.47 So you know now the basic the basic things . And 1449.1 IS1000a C MIO050 2 1448.256 1448.592 1448.28 1448.56 Yeah . 1448.56 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1448.656 1448.928 1448.68 1448.89 Mm-hmm . 1448.89 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1451.312 1454.464 1451.36 1454.34 well just just for the next meeting , um 1453.45 IS1000a C MIO050 2 1451.235 1452.192 1451.87 1452.14 L - IS1000a B MIO082 1 1457.088 1470.32 1457.14 1470.32 well , uh , you wor yes , work on a design , keep it general , I mean so w we will be still fle flexible with maybe adding some functions . So 1457.57 1459.91 1460.85 1463.16 1464.0 1469.92 IS1000a D MIO016 3 1469.728 1470.388 1469.76 1470.2 Mm-hmm . 1470.2 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1471.44 1472.768 1471.46 1472.73 Um - IS1000a B MIO082 1 1474.08 1475.584 1474.1 1475.52 you will be working on on - IS1000a B MIO082 1 1476.608 1478.256 1476.63 1478.256 technical function design , so 1477.67 IS1000a C MIO050 2 1479.328 1479.92 1479.35 1479.83 Yeah , sure . 1479.53 1479.83 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1480.432 1490.256 1480.45 1490.21 And uh you and you and uh uh uh well , think about requirements , eh ? Does it need internet , or or do do we stay at 1485.53 1486.8 1487.12 1488.33 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1486.768 1487.18 1486.87 1487.15 Mm-hmm . 1487.15 IS1000a C MIO050 2 1491.333 1492.018 1491.35 1491.79 Stam . 1491.79 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1491.328 1494.864 1491.36 1494.83 basic basic television uh interface . 1494.83 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1492.144 1492.352 1492.16 1492.29 Yeah . 1492.29 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1497.616 1500.32 1497.64 1500.19 So , uh 1498.35 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1501.344 1510.064 1501.36 1510.03 I think we should now all go work uh uh at this and uh you will be informed via email and other kind of communication . 1510.03 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1505.587 1505.97 1505.63 1505.84 Mm-hmm . 1505.84 IS1000a A FIE081 0 1509.984 1510.256 1510.0 1510.15 Yeah . 1510.15 IS1000a C MIO050 2 1510.672 1511.487 1510.78 1511.29 Okay . 1511.29 IS1000a B MIO082 1 1511.312 1514.726 1511.37 1514.65 So next meeting will be in uh in thirty minutes uh . K keep it in mind . 1513.61 1514.65 IS1000a D MIO016 3 1511.197 1512.146 1511.51 1511.99 Perfect . 1511.99 IS1000b C MIO050 2 200.768 203.968 202.26 203.91 Okay . 203.91 IS1000b B MIO082 1 202.912 205.088 202.93 205.01 So I see all everybody's here , 'kay . 204.79 205.01 IS1000b A FIE081 0 205.632 205.952 205.67 205.88 Mm-hmm . 205.88 IS1000b D MIO016 3 204.208 207.488 205.68 207.37 Yep . 207.37 IS1000b B MIO082 1 206.32 208.016 206.35 207.78 And we can start meeting . 207.78 IS1000b C MIO050 2 208.304 210.991 209.43 210.84 Okay . 210.84 IS1000b A FIE081 0 210.384 211.696 210.4 211.52 What's the agenda for this meeting ? 211.52 IS1000b B MIO082 1 211.856 213.776 211.98 213.72 The I will uh - IS1000b B MIO082 1 214.768 217.424 214.79 217.39 present here agenda with with with with slides - IS1000b A FIE081 0 216.896 217.632 217.35 217.59 Okay . 217.59 IS1000b B MIO082 1 218.416 220.032 218.68 219.93 to you . Um 219.37 IS1000b B MIO082 1 221.232 222.0 221.25 221.97 as you can see here . 221.97 IS1000b D MIO016 3 223.872 224.256 223.89 224.22 Perfect . 224.22 IS1000b B MIO082 1 225.328 230.848 225.35 230.81 So first uh just to mention I will - IS1000b B MIO082 1 232.256 248.624 232.28 248.59 take notes uh of this meeting and uh I will try to work them out and give them to you . I've also made notes of the previous meeting and um I was about to send them you but then uh I had to go to this uh meeting so you will get them too uh 237.22 IS1000b A FIE081 0 233.36 233.68 233.42 233.64 Mm-hmm . 233.64 IS1000b A FIE081 0 249.28 250.272 249.32 250.13 Mm-hmm . 250.13 IS1000b C MIO050 2 248.912 250.288 249.45 250.14 Next . 250.14 IS1000b B MIO082 1 250.464 251.424 250.48 251.39 Um . 251.39 IS1000b D MIO016 3 252.688 256.16 252.71 256.12 So y you are the secretary also . Right ? Okay . 255.47 255.82 256.12 IS1000b B MIO082 1 255.28 256.864 255.3 256.79 Yes . Indeed . 256.44 256.79 IS1000b B MIO082 1 258.8 259.344 258.82 259.31 Um . 259.31 IS1000b B MIO082 1 261.568 315.6 261.6 315.57 Then I hope you all have uh worked out some some uh some some presentations about uh about well you the the task given to you in the previous meeting . Um . W We will uh in a minute we will uh start with them . Um , we will see in which order we will handle them of . Um then I will uh bring in some some some new requirements I I got uh from the uh account manager , I try to work them out , they were quite abstract , and we can have maybe have com some discussion about it . Uh Um about the functions and Well in this meeting we should really try to reach a decision about the target group 276.66 278.15 285.53 287.18 290.29 298.86 300.57 301.7 304.47 IS1000b D MIO016 3 266.0 268.0 266.02 267.89 Perfectly yeah yeah of course uh-huh . 267.89 IS1000b A FIE081 0 302.24 302.688 302.26 302.59 Mm-hmm . 302.59 IS1000b A FIE081 0 316.24 316.544 316.26 316.5 Mm . 316.5 IS1000b B MIO082 1 316.896 318.656 316.92 318.656 and the functionality of the - IS1000b D MIO016 3 319.008 322.702 319.03 322.64 You mean the social target group who we wants to target ? 322.64 IS1000b B MIO082 1 320.736 328.032 321.17 328.0 Yes I mean well yes w who are we going to uh to well to sell this , the customers , indeed yes . 326.61 327.12 328.0 IS1000b A FIE081 0 325.296 325.6 325.32 325.57 Mm . 325.57 IS1000b D MIO016 3 325.52 326.768 325.54 326.7 Oh the customers , okay . 326.45 326.7 IS1000b A FIE081 0 326.912 327.216 326.93 327.18 Yeah . 327.18 IS1000b B MIO082 1 329.616 331.456 329.64 331.42 Think that's that's important matter . 331.42 IS1000b A FIE081 0 330.775 332.016 330.8 331.86 That's the big question yeah . 331.86 IS1000b B MIO082 1 333.072 344.368 333.09 344.28 Uh . So And then uh we will close this meeting uh and after this meeting we'll uh we'll have a lunch . Good . 335.77 344.03 344.28 IS1000b B MIO082 1 346.512 347.52 346.53 347.49 Um . 347.49 IS1000b B MIO082 1 349.04 350.08 349.06 350.05 Maybe um - IS1000b B MIO082 1 352.768 357.643 352.92 357.49 why uh Anna can you c do you have a presentations ? You don't have presentation ? 356.47 357.49 IS1000b A FIE081 0 355.6 357.667 355.66 357.61 No , I don't . I wasn't . 355.96 357.11 357.61 IS1000b A FIE081 0 358.816 359.312 358.84 359.26 No . 359.26 IS1000b B MIO082 1 359.376 361.408 359.49 361.37 Uh you want a table to to uh - IS1000b A FIE081 0 361.328 363.377 361.35 363.34 I c I can talk about it but I have no slides or anything . 363.34 IS1000b B MIO082 1 362.576 367.968 362.6 367.93 Yes yes maybe maybe you can uh can just talk about it or maybe you can use the whiteboard if necessary um . 367.93 IS1000b A FIE081 0 367.888 380.384 367.92 380.35 Mm-hmm . Well I've just been um presented with some research we've done in a small focus group so , a hundred people , just asked them about their remote control usage habits and what they want in a remote control . Um . 369.05 373.45 374.76 379.9 380.35 IS1000b A FIE081 0 381.712 389.728 381.73 389.55 It's probably can't email this to you , I've just got a web page with some data on it . Um basically it's saying that 384.85 387.43 IS1000b A FIE081 0 390.96 401.76 390.98 401.73 users generally dislike the look and feel of their remote controls . Um seventy five u seventy five percent of users find most remote controls ugly . Um . 394.82 401.11 401.73 IS1000b B MIO082 1 400.816 401.2 400.84 401.17 Mm-hmm . 401.17 IS1000b A FIE081 0 402.976 430.0 403.0 429.93 Eighty percent of users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy . Um . Current remote controls do not match well the operating behaviour of the user . Uh seventy five percent of users said they zap a lot , so they use their remote control quite frequently while they're watching television . Uh . Fifty percent of users say that they only use ten percent of the buttons , so they've got a remote control with a lot of functionality but really most of the time they only use a small part of that . 407.58 409.07 413.52 416.46 420.72 420.96 424.81 429.93 IS1000b B MIO082 1 429.968 430.368 430.0 430.33 Mm . 430.33 IS1000b A FIE081 0 431.824 432.624 431.9 432.35 Um . 432.35 IS1000b B MIO082 1 433.808 436.622 433.83 436.42 Do you Do you have this uh information on the web page you said ? 436.42 IS1000b A FIE081 0 435.968 437.424 436.0 437.39 I have an a web page yes . 437.39 IS1000b B MIO082 1 437.408 440.848 437.43 440.81 Yes , mayb maybe you can can send an email to me later uh . 437.7 440.81 IS1000b A FIE081 0 440.768 441.92 440.79 441.82 Yep . Yep , sure . 441.44 441.66 441.82 IS1000b B MIO082 1 442.048 444.592 442.07 444.47 Uh about this . 444.47 IS1000b A FIE081 0 443.584 479.168 443.8 479.13 Mm-hmm . So basically um there's a breakdown of how much they use the different functions on a rem remote control . Um , power and volume selection are only used a few times within this uh per hour . Um , channel selection is used a hundred and sixty eight times um and then there's things like channel settings , audio settings , which are only used very infrequently . Um . Teletext is used um fourteen times in the hour , so it is used but not nearly as much as the channel selection is used . Um . 444.82 450.35 450.68 457.84 458.05 465.15 465.81 468.27 469.43 473.31 478.62 479.13 IS1000b B MIO082 1 467.696 468.128 467.73 468.09 Mm . 468.09 IS1000b B MIO082 1 475.136 475.456 475.16 475.42 Mm . 475.42 IS1000b A FIE081 0 480.528 505.376 480.79 505.34 An interesting thing that this report has brought up is that um fifty fifty percent of users report that the remote control gets lost a lot of the time in the room , so some way of some way of locating the remote control would be very useful to a lot of users . Um . Thirty four percent said it takes too long to learn to use a remote control , they want something that's easier to use straight away , more intuitive perhaps . 490.35 496.31 497.51 502.31 504.23 505.34 IS1000b B MIO082 1 490.192 492.016 490.21 491.83 Yes yes , I have that too . 490.74 491.83 IS1000b B MIO082 1 505.712 506.08 505.75 506.05 Mm . 506.05 IS1000b A FIE081 0 506.368 506.96 506.39 506.93 Um . 506.93 IS1000b D MIO016 3 506.352 509.436 506.66 509.436 It's it's easy to learn or how do you say it's - IS1000b A FIE081 0 509.088 513.471 509.25 513.3 Thirty four percent said it took too much time to learn to use a new one . Yep . 513.14 513.3 IS1000b D MIO016 3 511.968 513.776 511.99 513.7 Okay too much time to learn . Okay . 513.43 513.7 IS1000b A FIE081 0 514.256 526.032 514.28 526.0 Um . And thirty twenty six percent said remote controls are bad for R_S_I_ . I don't know how we'd go about combating that . For R_S_I_ ? Respet Repetitive strain injury . 515.54 520.32 523.56 524.34 526.0 IS1000b D MIO016 3 514.992 516.56 515.06 516.56 Not enough - IS1000b C MIO050 2 521.808 523.584 521.808 523.54 . What do you mean there ? 521.808 523.54 IS1000b C MIO050 2 525.968 526.592 526.05 526.5 Okay . 526.5 IS1000b B MIO082 1 526.912 527.232 526.94 527.18 Mm . 527.18 IS1000b A FIE081 0 527.408 529.216 527.43 529.216 So . But 529.03 IS1000b B MIO082 1 529.136 535.44 529.16 535.39 They think that or do their doctor the doctor says ? But it's it's the opinion of the uh of the users huh ? 532.71 535.39 IS1000b A FIE081 0 531.936 532.352 531.96 532.31 Mm . 532.31 IS1000b A FIE081 0 534.816 541.088 534.84 541.088 Yeah . That's what the report says yeah . Um and then it's got a demographic breakdown on 535.9 538.01 IS1000b B MIO082 1 536.723 537.792 536.89 537.74 So mm . 537.74 IS1000b D MIO016 3 540.528 544.64 540.56 544.64 Maybe y y you cannot put this webpage online on the - IS1000b A FIE081 0 544.576 547.184 544.6 547.13 Uh I should be able to actually , if I email it to you now . 545.87 547.13 IS1000b C MIO050 2 546.96 548.352 546.98 548.32 You can disconnect it there no ? 548.32 IS1000b B MIO082 1 547.76 549.456 547.76 549.456 You can maybe just just - IS1000b D MIO016 3 549.376 555.888 549.4 555.85 Ah it's it okay it's a webpage on the C_ it's a file okay . O otherwise you yeah . 553.95 555.85 IS1000b A FIE081 0 549.584 550.352 549.6 550.31 Oh no , yeah . 550.02 550.31 IS1000b A FIE081 0 552.352 554.992 552.37 554.94 Yeah . Um , s hang on . 554.16 554.6 554.94 IS1000b C MIO050 2 555.931 558.928 555.95 558.88 Then you can connect this one or this one yeah . 558.88 IS1000b D MIO016 3 556.96 558.544 556.98 558.49 You can connect this one . 558.49 IS1000b C MIO050 2 560.048 562.544 560.07 562.46 All to your computer . 562.46 IS1000b D MIO016 3 565.552 565.792 565.66 565.75 Yeah . 565.75 IS1000b A FIE081 0 567.44 567.904 567.52 567.73 Well . 567.73 IS1000b D MIO016 3 569.536 577.883 569.56 577.883 So these are important numbers that Matthew and I need to take into account for our functional um - IS1000b C MIO050 2 573.541 575.836 573.84 575.68 Oh yeah . 575.68 IS1000b A FIE081 0 574.64 580.88 575.36 580.74 Oh I need to muck around with this . It's probably easier if you put it on yours and then I'll just email it to you . It's just a web link . 576.89 579.92 580.74 IS1000b B MIO082 1 579.654 579.984 579.67 579.93 Hmm . 579.93 IS1000b D MIO016 3 579.472 581.008 580.13 581.008 Yeah - IS1000b C MIO050 2 589.92 591.232 590.53 591.18 Okay . 591.18 IS1000b D MIO016 3 591.52 595.152 591.54 595.1 Yeah these numbers have have to be have to be taken into account - IS1000b C MIO050 2 594.754 596.304 595.13 596.304 Hmm . 595.47 IS1000b D MIO016 3 596.32 600.592 596.47 600.49 for the uh both yeah user interface and functional design . 600.49 IS1000b C MIO050 2 599.12 599.6 599.14 599.55 Yeah . 599.55 IS1000b A FIE081 0 600.322 606.163 600.97 606.08 One thing it goes on to talk about , which is interesting , is the hang on a minute . 602.66 603.43 606.08 IS1000b D MIO016 3 606.176 614.624 606.22 614.58 Because if there are many numbers and we need to select to to constraint uh our design based on what is more important . 614.58 IS1000b A FIE081 0 613.136 613.52 613.17 613.43 Mm-hmm . 613.43 IS1000b B MIO082 1 614.624 615.264 614.76 615.21 Mm-hmm . 615.21 IS1000b A FIE081 0 615.008 620.08 615.03 619.63 Yep . Um , one thing is interesting is talking about 616.09 616.49 IS1000b A FIE081 0 623.248 625.36 623.29 625.33 um speech recognition in a remote control . 625.33 IS1000b D MIO016 3 625.504 626.88 625.52 626.88 Speech recognition in - IS1000b A FIE081 0 626.8 629.92 626.82 629.88 And who would pay more for that and whether people would find it useful . 629.88 IS1000b B MIO082 1 629.872 631.424 629.92 631.39 D do you have numbers o o on that ? 631.39 IS1000b D MIO016 3 630.4 631.04 630.42 631.01 Ah okay . 631.01 IS1000b A FIE081 0 631.632 633.664 631.65 633.6 Yes , I'll just get this up . 632.07 633.6 IS1000b D MIO016 3 635.712 642.704 635.73 642.54 So that we don't Do we not need any button on the remote control it would be all based on speech . Okay . 642.31 642.54 IS1000b A FIE081 0 639.04 640.688 639.06 640.688 Well potentially yeah , um 640.31 IS1000b A FIE081 0 642.0 649.824 642.63 649.55 I think even for interesti yeah I think that would not work so well . You wanna have both options . 647.06 649.55 IS1000b D MIO016 3 643.733 644.544 643.75 644.51 Interesting idea . 644.51 IS1000b D MIO016 3 648.496 649.088 648.69 649.05 Okay . 649.05 IS1000b B MIO082 1 656.72 660.528 656.92 660.49 Well it would it would be a solution for uh when your - IS1000b B MIO082 1 662.88 666.416 662.9 666.26 remote control is lost , I mean when it has speech recognition then 664.18 IS1000b A FIE081 0 664.592 664.992 664.61 664.9 Mm-hmm . 664.9 IS1000b B MIO082 1 667.472 681.056 667.54 681.02 uh i then it doesn't matter where it is , my well it's we should be in range , or maybe it can respond and produce sound , so say where it is . But the these are all quite fancy features I'm not sure whether 670.2 672.74 674.99 677.28 IS1000b D MIO016 3 667.407 668.059 667.59 667.97 Yeah . 667.97 IS1000b A FIE081 0 671.712 672.064 671.74 672.02 Mm . 672.02 IS1000b D MIO016 3 676.928 677.328 677.05 677.29 Yeah . 677.29 IS1000b C MIO050 2 681.984 682.989 682.07 682.93 Well it would be f - IS1000b B MIO082 1 682.48 686.608 682.52 686.57 we will we can make this for for twelve Euro fi and fifty cents . 686.57 IS1000b D MIO016 3 685.632 686.144 685.66 686.09 Yeah . 686.09 IS1000b A FIE081 0 686.064 686.336 686.08 686.3 Yeah . 686.3 IS1000b C MIO050 2 687.312 688.136 687.33 688.08 No you can't . 688.08 IS1000b D MIO016 3 687.856 692.192 687.88 692.16 And we don't know where the state of the art of speech recognition is , maybe you know ? 691.2 692.16 IS1000b C MIO050 2 692.688 693.152 692.71 693.12 Oh . 693.12 IS1000b C MIO050 2 694.512 696.816 694.53 696.78 Well , it depends you know like 695.65 IS1000b C MIO050 2 697.872 705.441 697.91 705.41 there is uh it's a very small vocabulary that you want to do the operations like you want to say on , off , 704.78 705.41 IS1000b B MIO082 1 705.76 706.384 705.78 706.29 Mm . 706.29 IS1000b C MIO050 2 706.304 707.584 706.33 707.28 one , two , 707.02 707.28 IS1000b D MIO016 3 707.12 711.68 707.14 711.64 But it's quite noisy if there is the T_V_ uh shouting . 711.64 IS1000b A FIE081 0 708.704 709.056 708.72 709.01 Mm . 709.01 IS1000b C MIO050 2 709.28 713.872 709.3 713.84 twenty three , yeah . It's it's going to be li it's not going to be s so easy but 709.74 710.38 IS1000b A FIE081 0 710.304 710.624 710.32 710.59 Yeah . 710.59 IS1000b B MIO082 1 710.816 713.088 710.84 713.02 Yes , that that that that's mm . 711.21 713.02 IS1000b C MIO050 2 715.312 718.656 715.83 718.61 u usually it's going to be more of an isolated - IS1000b B MIO082 1 719.088 721.056 719.12 721.02 Do you have some more important facts or - IS1000b C MIO050 2 719.824 722.896 719.84 722.86 case but it's but I don't know with twenty fi - IS1000b D MIO016 3 720.656 720.96 720.74 720.93 Okay . 720.93 IS1000b A FIE081 0 720.976 721.472 721.0 721.472 Um - IS1000b B MIO082 1 721.415 723.906 721.72 723.85 can we go to the next presentation ? 723.85 IS1000b D MIO016 3 722.482 725.04 722.54 725.04 So you had to to to summarise maybe the - IS1000b A FIE081 0 723.056 723.488 723.08 723.488 Well - IS1000b A FIE081 0 725.344 731.536 725.37 731.5 This is now talking about um who would pay for speech recognition in a remote control , who would pay more for it , um . 729.63 731.09 731.5 IS1000b A FIE081 0 732.848 757.84 732.87 757.8 Ninety percent of the fifteen to twenty five year old market said that they would pay more , it goes down from there , seventy six percent for twenty five to thirty five , thirty five percent for thirty five to forty five , um twenty two percent for forty five to fifty five and then eight percent for fifty five to sixty five . Yeah . But we sh Yeah , it really depends where we're gonna be targeting this product , um , which we'll be talking about later I think . 737.59 738.5 741.37 743.95 749.96 750.48 752.04 756.0 756.26 757.8 IS1000b B MIO082 1 747.008 747.296 747.03 747.26 Mm . 747.26 IS1000b C MIO050 2 747.808 750.032 747.83 750.0 Okay it's uh decline . Okay . 749.73 750.0 IS1000b B MIO082 1 750.176 752.0 750.21 751.96 Mm-hmm . Decline with age , mm . 750.48 751.8 751.96 IS1000b B MIO082 1 755.696 756.496 755.73 756.496 Mm . 756.3 IS1000b D MIO016 3 755.856 756.064 755.89 756.03 Mm . 756.03 IS1000b B MIO082 1 757.76 760.948 757.78 760.7 Yes . We will talk about it later . Okay . 758.17 760.41 760.7 IS1000b A FIE081 0 759.456 761.136 760.38 761.09 Did you get the email ? 761.09 IS1000b A FIE081 0 767.648 771.456 767.67 771.36 Yep , that one . Just follow that link . 767.86 770.45 771.36 IS1000b D MIO016 3 767.588 768.294 767.82 768.22 Mm-hmm . 768.22 IS1000b D MIO016 3 775.712 778.317 775.77 777.92 I thi You us yeah yeah . 777.92 IS1000b A FIE081 0 776.896 778.112 776.92 778.07 It'll be in a different window , yep . 777.92 778.07 IS1000b A FIE081 0 779.264 781.728 779.28 781.69 That's left that one . 781.69 IS1000b A FIE081 0 782.832 783.024 782.85 782.99 Yep . 782.99 IS1000b D MIO016 3 783.344 784.581 783.36 784.39 Okay perfect . 784.39 IS1000b D MIO016 3 784.581 797.997 784.581 797.997 .. . 797.997 IS1000b A FIE081 0 788.0 799.104 788.02 798.79 Mm . So that's the figure that I was just talking about there , with the different demographics . Another thing it's talking about there is the L_C_D_ screen but there's no figures apparently on that . 788.19 790.0 792.14 798.79 IS1000b C MIO050 2 790.288 790.752 790.31 790.72 Okay . 790.72 IS1000b B MIO082 1 798.016 800.928 798.06 800.89 Mm . Okay . um 799.06 800.17 IS1000b D MIO016 3 797.997 798.784 798.07 798.62 Mm 'kay . 798.62 IS1000b B MIO082 1 803.984 810.976 804.05 810.84 Uh maybe uh Mael c c can you give uh uh your presentation uh ? 810.84 IS1000b D MIO016 3 807.328 808.576 807.35 808.36 Yeah . 808.36 IS1000b D MIO016 3 813.2 816.016 813.27 816.016 Mm I okay I stay - IS1000b B MIO082 1 815.579 816.529 815.64 816.529 Oh , this is 815.95 IS1000b C MIO050 2 819.008 820.304 819.03 820.27 Now you can move I think yeah . 820.27 IS1000b D MIO016 3 820.432 826.992 820.432 826.992 I can move as far as - IS1000b B MIO082 1 820.576 822.688 820.73 822.5 Mm-hmm , y y you can move , uh . 821.28 822.22 822.5 IS1000b D MIO016 3 828.144 830.988 828.16 830.89 Maybe I take your chair ? I okay . 829.95 830.89 IS1000b B MIO082 1 830.064 832.048 830.08 831.99 Yes . You can you can sa take my chair . 830.5 831.99 IS1000b C MIO050 2 832.4 837.703 832.88 837.66 It's a channel selection , a module , this and this function , go to the . 834.01 834.49 836.76 837.66 IS1000b A FIE081 0 835.632 837.328 835.65 837.19 Sorry ? Oh . 837.0 837.19 IS1000b C MIO050 2 838.768 839.104 838.79 839.07 Yeah . 839.07 IS1000b D MIO016 3 839.84 846.416 839.86 846.37 So I think as everybody knows uh I'm the uh Industrial Designer . 846.37 IS1000b D MIO016 3 849.056 873.359 849.08 873.12 And uh in this presentation uh this group presentation um is gonna focus on the working design of the the remote control . Um I'd like first to give a quick a very simple introduction , how does it work , so that everybody knows even if you don't have a very uh technical background uh what is it because I think in the product it is important . 859.28 864.28 865.06 873.12 IS1000b A FIE081 0 870.144 871.616 870.17 871.616 Mm . 871.47 IS1000b D MIO016 3 873.359 901.587 873.46 901.24 So basically um the basic function of a remote control is to send uh messages to another system that is fixed . And so an energy source feeds an integrated circuit , the chip , that can compose messages , usually uh through a um infrared bit and uh the user interface controls the chip and accordingly the the messages , alright . 882.82 886.78 888.09 890.35 900.64 901.24 IS1000b A FIE081 0 881.872 882.176 881.91 882.13 Mm-hmm . 882.13 IS1000b A FIE081 0 893.44 893.792 893.47 893.68 Mm-hmm . 893.68 IS1000b D MIO016 3 901.587 936.528 901.71 936.49 So my method for um designing the yeah the work design uh yeah first the the main point is that I would wish to to make a really functional product . I would prefer to have very functional um capabilities rather than fancy stuff that in fact is not used and doesn't work . So for that yeah as it's important to take into account the user requirements from the Marketing uh Expert uh Anna and um 917.39 926.22 IS1000b B MIO082 1 925.216 925.408 925.29 925.37 Mm . 925.37 IS1000b A FIE081 0 925.328 925.616 925.35 925.57 Mm-hmm . 925.57 IS1000b A FIE081 0 934.512 934.768 934.53 934.72 Mm-hmm . 934.72 IS1000b D MIO016 3 938.848 971.264 938.87 971.22 w to to we should agree on what are the technical functions uh for this remote control and I show you the the working design . So um basically uh here is a really large view of what we want . Uh we want an on off button , it can be uh it's simple but it's it's important , and also uh the to both channels as well as other buttons that come after , right . 948.58 957.34 959.41 963.48 970.93 971.22 IS1000b A FIE081 0 962.992 963.216 963.02 963.18 Mm . 963.18 IS1000b D MIO016 3 972.352 998.576 972.37 998.54 So the components I quickly draw here , is that in this part you have the remote control the the sender and on the other part the receiver so that's my method is um will be to well my aim would be to uh design the and choose the chips and the infrared um components to build the remote control right . 976.48 998.54 IS1000b A FIE081 0 998.496 998.784 998.52 998.73 Mm-hmm . 998.73 IS1000b B MIO082 1 999.104 999.392 999.14 999.35 Mm-hmm . 999.35 IS1000b D MIO016 3 999.664 1014.448 999.71 1014.37 So of course we need energy sources and uh uh the receiver a a receiver . This is very quick uh design , uh you stop me or interrupt me if uh you don't agree on it on that . 1007.72 1010.41 1014.37 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1014.448 1014.992 1014.48 1014.94 Mm-hmm . 1014.94 IS1000b D MIO016 3 1015.824 1047.856 1015.96 1047.82 And um so what I have found and after a lot of work actually I I draw this I draw for you this uh schema that can be maybe too technical for you but is very important for me you know . And uh that's it so I won't go into details about that but uh these are my preferences to use uh that kind of components . 1034.25 1047.82 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1021.754 1022.8 1021.754 1022.73 Well . 1022.73 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1027.392 1027.808 1027.41 1027.77 Uh-huh . 1027.77 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1032.592 1033.632 1032.61 1033.51 You drew it a long time ago ? 1033.51 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1033.872 1034.523 1033.91 1034.31 Is huh - IS1000b A FIE081 0 1034.624 1038.032 1034.64 1038.032 Ninety one . 1037.52 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1035.488 1036.912 1035.51 1036.56 overwhelming . 1036.56 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1043.168 1043.733 1043.19 1043.6 No . 1043.6 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1048.048 1055.536 1048.048 1055.536 And and why do you want these kind of component ? I mean , are they cheap , or are they uh reliable ? What were your 1050.64 1051.03 1051.76 1053.68 IS1000b D MIO016 3 1048.7 1049.306 1049.12 1049.21 So . 1049.21 IS1000b D MIO016 3 1056.176 1062.768 1056.24 1062.63 So the the main components you see here are the cheapest I have found and - IS1000b D MIO016 3 1063.856 1077.456 1063.88 1077.38 yeah th you have always a compromise with uh reliability and uh i if it's expensive , but uh this one was not this one also really uh reliable um so 1069.58 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1067.968 1068.352 1067.99 1068.32 Mm . 1068.32 IS1000b D MIO016 3 1079.712 1092.704 1079.73 1092.704 yeah that's it for the working design , uh I hope you get clearer view on uh what what a remote control is uh in terms of uh technical components but maybe yeah 1081.62 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1089.84 1090.558 1089.86 1090.4 Yes . 1090.4 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1094.533 1095.216 1094.66 1095.18 It it - IS1000b B MIO082 1 1096.029 1097.408 1096.09 1097.37 it's more clear now I think . 1097.37 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1098.576 1099.072 1098.6 1099.072 So - IS1000b C MIO050 2 1099.488 1104.581 1099.52 1104.44 But is it uh can you just buy it on the market and f plug it in or you want to ma - IS1000b D MIO016 3 1104.304 1110.24 1104.32 1110.24 No no no no we we will uh This is a preference but we can always change uh - IS1000b B MIO082 1 1108.992 1109.408 1109.12 1109.37 Mm-hmm . 1109.37 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1110.416 1118.208 1110.44 1118.17 What I w what I was thinking about uh the the the schema uh about uh the sender and the receiver , I mean can you can you get back to it ? 1116.37 1118.17 IS1000b D MIO016 3 1117.184 1117.392 1117.2 1117.36 Yeah . 1117.36 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1121.248 1137.2 1121.248 1137.15 Yeah uh , the receiver is of course already in the television and we are not uh able to change it . So we we must adapt to the to the receiver . I I suppose there is a standard uh way of communicating to televisions uh . 1122.16 1129.48 1132.53 1137.15 IS1000b D MIO016 3 1129.344 1130.144 1129.4 1130.07 Of course yeah . 1130.07 IS1000b D MIO016 3 1138.016 1145.76 1138.04 1145.72 Yeah . We will use uh infrared protocol uh using yeah infrared and uh 1138.29 IS1000b D MIO016 3 1147.216 1162.928 1147.26 1162.84 and of course we need to adapt to that protocol that already exists and but we what we can do is uh uh adapting the the chips inside uh to the best uh chips and uh infrared bubbles . 1162.84 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1149.927 1150.795 1150.17 1150.63 Mm-hmm . 1150.63 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1159.984 1161.18 1160.0 1160.99 Mm . Mm . Mm . Mm . 1160.33 1160.56 1160.71 1160.99 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1163.248 1164.208 1163.27 1164.11 Yes . Okay . 1163.89 1164.11 IS1000b D MIO016 3 1164.592 1171.779 1164.66 1171.779 Um . Okay . 1169.29 1171.62 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1170.0 1170.336 1170.02 1170.28 Thank you . 1170.28 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1170.128 1173.088 1170.28 1173.05 Well it to du it's just you had to change the frequencies . 1173.05 IS1000b D MIO016 3 1174.544 1178.864 1174.56 1178.47 The frequencies ? Yeah yeah . Of course yeah in the chip you have it yeah . 1175.22 1176.34 1178.47 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1175.184 1175.856 1175.31 1175.8 Yeah . 1175.8 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1178.784 1199.792 1178.82 1199.76 But you should be careful , people are sometime becoming problem , like a guy has recently designed a remote uh uh uh which could switch off any other T_V_s , so basically through all the things . So maybe we should think of yeah . 1179.82 1182.59 1191.85 1194.25 1199.76 IS1000b D MIO016 3 1186.352 1189.248 1187.51 1189.21 That can control o other things . 1189.21 IS1000b D MIO016 3 1190.448 1191.936 1190.65 1191.39 Yeah . 1191.39 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1192.297 1193.011 1192.56 1192.79 Mm . 1192.79 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1192.511 1193.04 1192.6 1192.97 Ah . 1192.97 IS1000b D MIO016 3 1196.304 1200.336 1197.01 1200.336 Of course yeah we should take that into account in the uh - IS1000b B MIO082 1 1198.242 1200.192 1198.34 1200.192 Yeah yes I I I - IS1000b A FIE081 0 1198.326 1203.04 1198.49 1203.0 That's handy . So if the b T_V_ in the next apartment's really loud , you can just turn it off . 1199.52 1201.91 1203.0 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1200.457 1211.424 1200.457 1211.3 Yeah so you can just go on the street and then switch off everyone's T_V_ and you can just walk away You don't have to be near the T_V_ at all . 1211.3 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1208.477 1209.04 1208.73 1209.0 Yeah . 1209.0 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1208.837 1221.776 1210.07 1221.74 I I feel I I I think M Mael will will consider this uh th these things . Maybe Maybe we can go to to your presentation uh Matthew . I I I assume you were finished here . Uh okay . 1215.26 1219.05 1221.25 1221.74 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1210.064 1211.037 1210.08 1210.97 I like that idea . 1210.97 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1218.256 1219.883 1218.28 1219.66 Yeah so . 1219.66 IS1000b D MIO016 3 1220.64 1221.008 1220.66 1220.97 Yes . 1220.97 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1221.504 1243.68 1221.52 1243.6 Okay . So I can take I think mine now there . Okay so voila . Hmm I can take mine it's okay , voila , mm so mm . 1224.92 1229.32 1232.41 1237.62 1239.9 1243.6 IS1000b D MIO016 3 1227.597 1228.369 1227.83 1228.06 Okay . 1228.06 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1247.776 1249.032 1248.2 1248.81 Okay . 1248.81 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1250.032 1251.04 1250.08 1251.04 Oh . I 1250.69 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1252.08 1254.624 1252.1 1254.59 Uh , sorry ? I know where it is . 1252.93 1253.5 1254.59 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1254.688 1255.728 1254.71 1255.58 It's on the desktop . 1255.58 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1255.696 1257.056 1255.78 1257.056 It's uh - IS1000b C MIO050 2 1256.832 1260.096 1256.85 1260.06 Technical function . Okay . 1259.1 1260.06 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1258.976 1259.168 1259.0 1259.13 Yes . 1259.13 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1259.787 1261.056 1260.1 1261.056 It's uh - IS1000b C MIO050 2 1261.456 1284.48 1261.48 1284.41 Like so . Well . So um I'm going to talk a little bit about the technical function so wha what actually it's about what is the user going to do , I think my last presented what is going inside , so what's the user is going to see from the outside and how he is going to use it . So well the approach is that uh 1262.71 1263.46 1272.33 1275.53 1280.62 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1273.312 1273.552 1273.33 1273.52 Mm-hmm . 1273.52 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1275.056 1275.28 1275.08 1275.23 Yep . 1275.23 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1285.648 1314.808 1285.67 1314.76 basically the idea is to send a message to the T_V_ set , as Mael has pointed , and it will be decoded by the T_V_ and usually we it is easier to have uh keys or buttons with which people can uh press and then um changing a button will basically uh change the message which is being sent to the T_V_ and uh um a and basically it sends an internal signal and decoded by the receiver . 1288.82 1290.02 1314.76 IS1000b D MIO016 3 1308.304 1308.496 1308.33 1308.42 Mm-hmm . 1308.42 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1314.808 1365.448 1314.83 1365.38 So p as um Anna has said that this ki people are interested in things which are you don't need to k press the keys , people are can have a speech recognition but this is uh s a question which will we have to see later . But in the present scenario is that you have certain keys and you press it like your mobile phone , and it sends a message to the T_V_ . And um so generally mm I don't have some figures sorry but um so there are two kinds of uh remote if you popularly in the household , actually so you have a standard T_V_ remote where you have just a on , off button and play , uh volume change and uh keys for the number and more than one digit option . 1325.08 1331.34 1338.03 1343.3 1354.34 1358.0 1359.66 1365.38 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1331.197 1331.888 1331.63 1331.85 Mm-hmm . 1331.85 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1341.584 1341.792 1341.62 1341.73 Mm . 1341.73 IS1000b D MIO016 3 1342.352 1342.544 1342.37 1342.51 Yep . 1342.51 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1365.448 1397.928 1365.84 1397.6 And if you see for example righ right now uh uh even the one uh on more than one digit option is for two digit channel which is like ninety nine , but tomorrow you might have one fifty channels you know to browse or two hundred channels to browse who knows , but uh uh . Then there is uh this is the standard one with without any fancy thing you know like i it doesn't have teletext option , it can without any , it's a very simple thing , um which which you can vouch . 1376.21 1383.07 1384.5 1391.27 1393.15 1395.18 1397.6 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1397.928 1426.87 1398.13 1426.53 And then you have uh what's the v video remote file which is like usually it has almost all the keys over there and , but it then it has other options like stop uh and then you play the movie or uh or fo fast forward the movie or something like that so i it has those so these are the standard uh commonly found remote controls in the uh market . 1407.17 1426.53 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1415.752 1416.446 1416.0 1416.37 Mm-hmm . 1416.37 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1426.87 1463.808 1427.42 1463.808 And then whi which is generally used by the people . And then well personal preferences I would uh basically think of having a kind of aim for the next generation thing where the we could have both the uh the f a T_V_ and the remote video remote control because uh some of the keys in the video's remote control and the T_V_ they could be integrated together so that uh we could um aim for the like in the f coming future um that type of uh applications with 1430.62 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1463.072 1481.136 1463.09 1481.1 Okay . How would that work ? So you've got say maybe a V_C_R_ and a T_V_ which are separate , so you on my one at home I've got a V_C_R_ remote which then changes the channel on the V_C_R_ and doesn't do anything on the T_V_ , so is it gonna be like a switch on the remote that says t use the T_V_ or use the V_C_R_ ? or does it know which one you want to use ? 1463.78 1464.48 1467.89 1474.8 1479.34 1481.1 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1473.056 1473.344 1473.08 1473.31 Yeah . 1473.31 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1474.624 1474.912 1474.64 1474.88 Yeah . 1474.88 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1481.248 1508.606 1481.66 1508.606 Um actually um you could you could think of um having s a y you can have a key which could tell y it could go to the video thing but um uh yo you you you still can't um in that case when it you use that the function should be able to take up the V_C_R_ option and you could play it or You can also think about having like um - IS1000b A FIE081 0 1491.408 1491.712 1491.43 1491.68 Mm-hmm . 1491.68 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1502.128 1502.464 1502.15 1502.42 Mm-hmm . 1502.42 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1508.606 1541.148 1508.75 1541.03 I in a few days you will be ha in in few ye coming years you might even have a system where you have a separate uh sitting setup box and uh you have uh um something like uh uh you do you do you suppose you are not able to watch some programme and actually it downloading all the time for you and uh you can just you know uh when you come back you could just switch on that thing and uh watch a program . In that case you want to browse faster , browse slow , you want to have those kind of functionalities . 1534.44 1536.25 1537.68 1541.03 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1516.779 1517.335 1517.03 1517.3 Mm-hmm . 1517.3 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1524.064 1524.272 1524.08 1524.24 Mm-hmm . 1524.24 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1526.554 1527.04 1526.73 1527.01 Mm . 1527.01 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1533.119 1533.533 1533.3 1533.5 Mm . 1533.5 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1537.584 1537.994 1537.72 1537.96 Mm . 1537.96 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1538.043 1540.112 1538.35 1540.06 Mm mm mm mm mm . 1540.06 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1540.144 1540.416 1540.16 1540.38 Mm . 1540.38 IS1000b D MIO016 3 1540.336 1544.468 1540.36 1544.15 These are kind of next generation functionalities . 1544.15 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1542.144 1546.0 1542.16 1545.92 It's the next generation thing , but it is going to come in couple of years . It's goi 1543.44 1545.53 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1543.594 1551.259 1543.88 1551.14 Mm yes , but I think it's i i it's already there , I mean the hard disk uh recorders uh I I've seen them in the shop . 1545.44 1547.49 1551.14 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1544.385 1544.935 1544.58 1544.81 Mm . 1544.81 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1547.776 1548.369 1547.8 1548.369 Yeah it's - IS1000b A FIE081 0 1549.392 1549.584 1549.43 1549.55 Mm . 1549.55 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1549.504 1549.792 1549.52 1549.76 Yeah . 1549.76 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1550.912 1561.312 1550.93 1561.28 Yeah . So it's going to record your things and you and you you need basically the functionalities what you need in both uh uh video as well as in the standard T_V_ thing . 1551.61 1561.28 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1551.248 1551.552 1551.28 1551.51 Yeah . 1551.51 IS1000b D MIO016 3 1551.021 1551.712 1551.3 1551.65 Mm 'kay . 1551.65 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1554.304 1554.56 1554.32 1554.52 Mm . 1554.52 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1556.928 1557.168 1556.95 1557.13 Yeah . 1557.13 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1558.286 1559.348 1558.52 1559.1 That's fair enough . 1559.1 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1560.32 1565.841 1560.34 1565.75 Mm . But I don't think we're trying to make a universal remote here . That's , yeah . 1561.24 1564.92 1565.44 1565.75 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1564.496 1575.856 1564.52 1575.8 No no we are not making a universal remote , we are just looking at uh giving a scenario , I have a T_V_ and tomorrow I am going to have set up box which is going to sit there and uh it's going to do that job for me . 1566.3 1569.25 1575.8 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1571.632 1572.0 1571.66 1571.97 Mm . 1571.97 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1573.76 1575.424 1573.79 1575.39 Mm . Because y 1574.98 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1575.344 1580.832 1575.36 1580.75 W w w w we need to decide on on on on in how far we go to in this . 1580.75 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1580.976 1581.36 1581.0 1581.32 Mm-hmm . 1581.32 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1582.016 1589.92 1582.04 1589.89 Mean , you can go pretty far I f I think with with with functions and possible uh future p uh prospects yes . 1582.86 1589.89 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1582.48 1582.944 1582.51 1582.9 Mm . 1582.9 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1586.864 1587.184 1586.89 1587.14 Mm . 1587.14 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1589.312 1589.552 1589.33 1589.52 Yep . 1589.52 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1590.192 1591.547 1590.21 1591.547 Yeah . So 1590.48 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1591.168 1592.512 1591.19 1592.43 But it's good to keep in mind . 1592.43 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1592.72 1593.056 1592.75 1593.02 Mm . 1593.02 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1593.36 1595.824 1593.38 1595.78 Okay so that p ends my presentation . 1595.78 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1596.4 1597.328 1596.43 1597.24 Mm . Very well . 1596.86 1597.24 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1596.944 1639.152 1596.96 1639.12 Well . So we can always discuss about it for example uh the presently the video market actually uh this demand , video over-demand or what we call it as , it's presently booming up actually so it i like people are providing like uh things like uh uh movies , you can select actually so you want to watch a movie and uh your p your provider gives a list of movies , and then you select those list . And it basically you go off , it downloads the movie , it gives for you and then when you come you want to loo watch it on your T_V_ . And thi this is going to come . 1597.52 1606.88 1610.14 1619.76 1626.97 1629.18 1631.0 1632.09 1637.99 1639.12 IS1000b D MIO016 3 1609.488 1609.904 1609.51 1609.87 Mm-hmm . 1609.87 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1610.256 1610.576 1610.28 1610.53 Mm . 1610.53 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1612.864 1613.168 1612.88 1613.13 Yeah . 1613.13 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1628.72 1628.992 1628.75 1628.96 Mm-hmm . 1628.96 IS1000b D MIO016 3 1628.912 1629.2 1628.94 1629.16 Yeah . 1629.16 IS1000b D MIO016 3 1633.025 1633.603 1633.12 1633.56 Yeah . 1633.56 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1633.168 1633.456 1633.2 1633.42 Mm . 1633.42 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1637.952 1638.514 1638.04 1638.3 Good . 1638.3 IS1000b D MIO016 3 1639.008 1644.605 1639.03 1644.47 Or even you don't need to download it , it's streamed uh online uh yeah . Yeah . 1641.05 1643.5 1644.47 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1642.832 1647.694 1642.85 1647.694 Yeah it can be streamed online for you and you can say what time I want to watch the movie and - IS1000b D MIO016 3 1646.88 1647.088 1646.9 1647.05 Yeah . 1647.05 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1647.248 1647.52 1647.27 1647.48 Mm . 1647.48 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1648.336 1649.324 1648.36 1649.24 Yeah so . 1649.24 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1648.96 1649.424 1648.98 1649.39 Um , 1649.39 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1650.336 1650.608 1650.36 1650.57 Yeah . 1650.57 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1650.752 1661.584 1650.77 1661.5 so u um I have uh received some some some some well points of of thinking over of my account manager and uh I would like to share them with you . Um 1661.14 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1661.088 1661.344 1661.11 1661.31 Mm-hmm . 1661.31 IS1000b D MIO016 3 1661.504 1661.792 1661.52 1661.75 Mm-hmm . 1661.75 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1662.656 1670.672 1662.68 1670.64 first thing is uh teletext is a well known feature of televisions but it's it's getting used less and less . 1670.64 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1667.552 1667.856 1667.59 1667.82 Mm-hmm . 1667.82 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1671.024 1672.272 1671.024 1672.2 Yeah . 1672.2 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1671.846 1687.216 1671.99 1687.18 That's that's especially because of the internet of course . So we should think about it um . Do we include it , and do we give it a prominent uh prominent uh place on on on the on well huh 1676.35 1680.3 1681.47 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1675.061 1675.593 1675.21 1675.46 Hmm . 1675.46 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1688.272 1689.92 1688.29 1689.89 on the remote mot control itself . 1689.89 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1688.784 1689.056 1688.8 1689.02 Mm . 1689.02 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1691.344 1700.848 1691.39 1700.81 Uh as uh a in any case it's it's not used , well very much , but it's it is still used . Um 1695.4 1696.37 1699.99 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1697.872 1698.192 1697.9 1698.16 Mm . 1698.16 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1699.854 1700.941 1699.91 1700.81 Um . 1700.81 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1702.128 1722.96 1702.15 1722.87 further yes we must think , uh do we stay uh to to television only , the television as we as we all know it with with broadcasting signals and you can't go back uh huh , or do we uh uh go further as Matthew indicated by supporting uh uh recording uh devices ? 1703.81 1706.93 1714.8 1722.87 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1725.228 1730.096 1725.32 1730.04 Uh indeed indeed . And and and the hard disk recorders . 1728.16 1730.04 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1725.328 1727.984 1725.35 1727.94 So D_V_D_s and V_C_R_s ? Mm . 1727.76 1727.94 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1732.0 1748.208 1732.06 1748.17 Um , furthermore , uh , w we need really need to interest uh y younger customers and then with younger customers I mean people uh below the age of forty , 1733.15 1734.24 1735.96 1748.17 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1749.04 1750.0 1749.07 1750.0 Mm-hmm . 1749.92 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1749.28 1757.696 1749.3 1757.66 and our our current customers are mainly forty plus uh which well Forty . 1757.66 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1754.692 1755.128 1754.82 1755.09 Mm-hmm . 1755.09 IS1000b D MIO016 3 1756.304 1759.251 1756.32 1759.251 Fourteen or for O okay . So 1758.77 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1758.8 1773.376 1758.82 1773.29 So that's to that's I mean there's a market but uh they will grow older older and you'll al always need to have the the future with younger people . Um therefore , 1771.26 1773.29 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1770.304 1770.656 1770.33 1770.55 Mm-hmm . 1770.55 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1774.109 1780.384 1774.109 1780.35 younger people like trendy trendy designs , so that's w we should 1777.7 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1781.872 1785.12 1781.89 1785.08 make our our our R_C_ as trendy as possible but - IS1000b B MIO082 1 1786.208 1795.728 1786.23 1795.68 it should also be uh have a reliable image , so when it looks too too spacey or too fancy people will think well does it work at all . 1789.25 1795.68 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1796.162 1796.603 1796.24 1796.57 Hmm . 1796.57 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1796.272 1796.592 1796.29 1796.56 Mm . 1796.56 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1796.544 1834.24 1796.56 1834.24 Yeah it's uh well you you can follow the ideas how you want to keep the keys , you know right now if you take it you have like zero , one , two , three like a keys separately , but suppose if you take the the present trend of mobile phones there are like big thick keys you press on the top , it takes one number , you press on the bottom it takes another number , and uh basically uh uh so the space covered so that you don't see two separate keys there actually so it it is like uh um i i it is like uh 1802.68 1806.48 1806.89 1807.15 1809.39 1817.87 1818.99 1821.6 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1809.008 1809.408 1809.03 1809.37 Mm-hmm . 1809.37 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1814.768 1815.024 1814.79 1814.99 Mm . 1814.99 IS1000b D MIO016 3 1829.328 1829.792 1829.36 1829.62 Mm-hmm . 1829.62 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1830.78 1831.295 1830.96 1831.19 Mm . 1831.19 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1834.608 1837.168 1834.63 1837.168 Ma Maybe Maybe you can draw it on the on the board uh - IS1000b A FIE081 0 1836.208 1852.592 1836.24 1852.592 Mm . But I think taking the idea of getting inspiration from mobile phones is interesting , especially if we're going after a younger market , that's the the the mm the new and the funky things , that's , yeah , there's lot there's lots of pretty mobile phones , not too many pretty remote controls . That's 1837.27 1841.45 1843.86 1846.32 1847.4 1847.98 1849.99 1852.31 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1836.624 1837.488 1836.64 1837.31 Yeah so . 1837.31 IS1000b D MIO016 3 1841.008 1841.504 1841.03 1841.31 Yeah . 1841.31 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1841.704 1842.226 1841.85 1842.15 Hmm . 1842.15 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1843.248 1844.064 1843.27 1844.02 Yes yes mo - IS1000b D MIO016 3 1843.57 1846.544 1843.77 1846.44 Because they are already used to that , you know , product . Yeah . 1845.11 1845.36 1846.24 1846.44 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1846.208 1848.302 1846.23 1848.302 Yes it's recognisable - IS1000b B MIO082 1 1850.082 1850.864 1850.34 1850.83 Mm mm . 1850.83 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1852.592 1855.264 1852.61 1855.23 And and they are skilled uh by using it . 1855.23 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1855.344 1855.696 1855.38 1855.64 Mm . 1855.64 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1855.904 1857.376 1855.92 1857.376 So for example uh - IS1000b C MIO050 2 1858.512 1861.39 1858.53 1861.39 Well uh - IS1000b D MIO016 3 1858.484 1859.072 1858.73 1859.03 Mm-hmm . 1859.03 IS1000b D MIO016 3 1859.072 1868.809 1859.072 1868.809 .. . 1868.809 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1862.688 1873.312 1862.71 1873.23 Okay , it works . Fine . So , for example you have uh presently uh keys like one , two , 1863.93 1865.86 1866.82 1867.54 1872.88 1873.23 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1867.483 1870.292 1868.19 1870.15 Mael can you hand me over this uh ? 1870.15 IS1000b D MIO016 3 1868.809 1869.327 1868.85 1869.23 Yes . 1869.23 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1873.903 1874.624 1874.1 1874.56 Uh thank you . 1874.56 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1874.592 1885.2 1874.61 1885.11 three like this , actually , and uh uh four five six like that and uh you can have keys like this in form like 1875.76 1876.78 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1875.616 1875.84 1875.65 1875.8 Mm-hmm . 1875.8 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1886.528 1888.416 1886.55 1888.38 uh keys like that - IS1000b A FIE081 0 1886.608 1887.024 1886.63 1886.99 Okay . 1886.99 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1888.976 1893.84 1889.0 1893.79 How much longer have we got for the meeting by the way ? 'Cause we haven't talked about demographic at all and it's a very important issue . 1891.47 1893.79 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1890.576 1894.464 1890.61 1894.42 Mm well I think fi five min Mm-hmm . 1894.42 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1891.568 1892.254 1891.59 1892.16 Forty minutes ? 1892.16 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1893.978 1902.192 1894.0 1902.04 Yeah so you you you can have uh keys like uh which are which are like so . 1902.04 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1905.391 1941.029 1905.391 1940.84 too sorry , so we basically don't change the uh original order of them but then the keys are more spacious , they don't look uh so there there is a very sligh thing , so if you press on the top it takes the one , it takes the three , uh four , sorry four here uh five and six , so the keys can be it looks you know not very much cluttered but it looks nice for you don't have too many keys but you can have a lot of options t if you press on the to 1906.51 1915.11 1919.94 1922.65 1924.09 1924.86 1928.2 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1914.64 1914.992 1914.67 1914.95 Mm-hmm . 1914.95 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1921.776 1921.984 1921.8 1921.95 Mm . 1921.95 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1927.52 1927.776 1927.54 1927.74 Mm . 1927.74 IS1000b D MIO016 3 1933.344 1933.904 1933.43 1933.84 Mm-hmm . 1933.84 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1936.294 1936.695 1936.41 1936.62 Mm . 1936.62 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1938.685 1939.518 1938.91 1939.43 Okay . 1939.43 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1940.256 1951.056 1940.28 1951.02 'Kay I I think now that the idea's clear . Uh we should now uh try to decide um on our target group . 1943.14 1951.02 IS1000b D MIO016 3 1941.662 1942.365 1941.68 1942.1 Yep . 1942.1 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1942.64 1942.96 1942.66 1942.87 Yeah . 1942.87 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1942.976 1943.232 1943.01 1943.18 Mm . 1943.18 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1951.28 1961.44 1951.3 1961.21 Yeah . Which I think is quite tricky . Um , basically we're trying to get people to buy a remote control wouldn't they already have a remote control with their television when they buy one ? 1951.9 1953.87 1954.64 1961.21 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1953.469 1954.025 1953.67 1953.85 Yeah . 1953.85 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1961.574 1965.456 1961.63 1965.42 Of course they have already one . So our our our remote control has to be better . 1963.0 1965.42 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1965.872 1987.904 1965.89 1987.87 But it's not going to have more functionality , 'cause it's only a low market , it's a cheap-end remote control , we can't beat modern functionality , we might we'll be able to beat them on th the look of it , th the design of it but that's not a big seller , if they're not just going to buy a new remote control just 'cause it looks pretty , they have to actually need it as well . So I'm not sure how we can get people to buy this thing . 1967.2 1969.15 1971.11 1973.2 1976.26 1979.08 1983.01 1985.3 1987.87 IS1000b C MIO050 2 1965.76 1966.288 1965.96 1966.25 Mm-hmm . 1966.25 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1982.528 1982.944 1982.56 1982.89 Mm-hmm . 1982.89 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1988.992 1996.752 1989.02 1996.72 Mm . I well I think many people said uh in your in in your research uh uh 1989.61 IS1000b A FIE081 0 1996.032 1996.32 1996.05 1996.26 Mm . 1996.26 IS1000b B MIO082 1 1998.128 2002.672 1998.15 2002.672 uh the appearance of the uh R_C_ is is important when they are buying one but - IS1000b A FIE081 0 2001.888 2004.304 2001.91 2004.27 Yeah . But why are they buying one in the first place ? 2002.59 2004.27 IS1000b B MIO082 1 2004.416 2004.928 2004.47 2004.79 Indeed . 2004.79 IS1000b B MIO082 1 2006.032 2008.048 2006.05 2007.92 So that will be about - IS1000b B MIO082 1 2009.92 2010.816 2009.94 2010.816 functionality - IS1000b A FIE081 0 2012.56 2027.904 2012.59 2027.87 Mm . But if people are buying a new remote control for functionality they'll buy a universal remote . I've got friends who've got so many things they need a universal remote , otherwise they're using five different remotes for their all their things . In that case they wouldn't buy our product , because it doesn't give them what they need in terms of functionality . 2013.15 2017.58 2020.69 2023.93 2025.33 2027.87 IS1000b B MIO082 1 2022.48 2023.629 2022.53 2023.54 Mm . Mm-hmm . Mm . 2023.0 2023.31 2023.54 IS1000b B MIO082 1 2028.16 2034.299 2028.18 2034.299 So your you think we should go for a more u universal high-performance - IS1000b A FIE081 0 2033.424 2038.736 2033.44 2038.7 Well , we can't , with the price range . We We're not building a universal remote , we're not building a high end product . 2033.68 2034.11 2035.82 2037.57 2038.7 IS1000b B MIO082 1 2037.488 2040.944 2037.51 2040.89 What do What do you think about What componen - IS1000b D MIO016 3 2040.016 2061.024 2040.04 2060.0 Yeah we have yeah twelve point five Euros uh per uh per R_ s R_C_ and I think uh with this now you know that chips are very uh cheaps and uh we can include it in our control some new new features . Yeah . 2059.67 2060.0 IS1000b A FIE081 0 2043.088 2043.456 2043.14 2043.42 Mm . 2043.42 IS1000b A FIE081 0 2052.64 2053.04 2052.77 2053.0 Mm-hmm . 2053.0 IS1000b A FIE081 0 2059.648 2059.984 2059.67 2059.94 Mm . 2059.94 IS1000b D MIO016 3 2061.024 2063.588 2061.07 2063.588 And um But yeah that's - IS1000b A FIE081 0 2061.264 2062.08 2061.28 2062.04 But yeah . 2062.04 IS1000b A FIE081 0 2063.168 2068.736 2063.19 2068.7 If we're getting into universal remote territory , we're getting to L_C_D_ screens and things like that which would drive the cost up a lot . 2065.24 2068.7 IS1000b B MIO082 1 2068.656 2072.011 2068.68 2072.011 I don't know . I don't know whether that's necessary . Is the L_C_D_ screen 2069.32 2070.94 IS1000b D MIO016 3 2068.619 2069.322 2068.71 2069.08 Ye - IS1000b D MIO016 3 2071.208 2076.91 2071.42 2076.81 I don't think L_C_D_ is not necessary well , th for long term . 2075.68 2076.81 IS1000b A FIE081 0 2071.664 2072.496 2071.68 2072.496 For universal remotes - IS1000b A FIE081 0 2073.984 2075.152 2074.0 2075.12 If you mm . 2075.12 IS1000b B MIO082 1 2075.488 2083.696 2075.51 2083.66 I think thi this could be this could be a market because uh universal remote controls uh tend to be uh quite expensive . 2083.66 IS1000b A FIE081 0 2083.952 2085.568 2083.97 2085.53 And quite complicated to use , yes . 2085.22 2085.53 IS1000b B MIO082 1 2084.17 2091.743 2084.29 2091.71 S so we can try to go in between , and offer a product which is not as expensive and not as 2087.9 IS1000b A FIE081 0 2091.408 2094.864 2091.44 2094.83 Mm-hmm . Not as flexible maybe , yeah , but s yeah . 2092.53 2093.62 2093.84 2094.83 IS1000b B MIO082 1 2092.432 2093.056 2092.46 2093.02 complicated - IS1000b D MIO016 3 2093.429 2094.095 2093.54 2094.04 Yeah . 2094.04 IS1000b B MIO082 1 2094.192 2101.2 2094.21 2101.16 but but still but still people have the idea this is more functional than a normal uh uh - IS1000b D MIO016 3 2100.828 2101.792 2100.828 2101.58 Universal . 2101.58 IS1000b B MIO082 1 2102.336 2106.656 2102.36 2106.62 R_C_ because it has more uh it it is in some kind universal . 2106.62 IS1000b D MIO016 3 2102.763 2103.314 2102.94 2103.24 Yeah . 2103.24 IS1000b A FIE081 0 2102.832 2103.328 2103.02 2103.29 Mm-hmm . 2103.29 IS1000b A FIE081 0 2106.608 2106.976 2106.64 2106.93 Mm-hmm . 2106.93 IS1000b A FIE081 0 2108.656 2116.224 2108.68 2116.19 But if we're going for the say fifteen to twenty five age group then not many of them would actually own T_V_s to use a remote control on . 2116.19 IS1000b B MIO082 1 2116.928 2122.656 2116.95 2122.62 Mm yes but w we're targeting I think on more on the on the twenty to forty group . 2122.62 IS1000b A FIE081 0 2122.88 2126.272 2122.9 2126.24 Okay . So they're yeah . 2124.33 2126.24 IS1000b B MIO082 1 2125.408 2131.938 2125.43 2131.61 People yes . Who just have or already have a job and have the money but 2127.28 IS1000b A FIE081 0 2130.976 2131.312 2131.01 2131.28 Mm-hmm . 2131.28 IS1000b B MIO082 1 2133.168 2138.652 2133.2 2138.61 may not want to spend that much money on a on a universal universal control . 2138.61 IS1000b A FIE081 0 2135.568 2136.416 2135.59 2136.38 Mm-hmm . Yep . 2136.22 2136.38 IS1000b A FIE081 0 2138.24 2146.592 2138.26 2146.54 I don't know really what the the price range for remote controls is . Are we gonna be at the very bottom of the price range , or are we kind of middle to bottom ? I don't know . 2141.33 2143.66 2146.04 2146.54 IS1000b B MIO082 1 2146.512 2148.256 2146.53 2148.17 Uh well - IS1000b D MIO016 3 2147.216 2148.261 2147.24 2148.2 Mm . 2148.2 IS1000b B MIO082 1 2151.024 2159.232 2151.04 2159.2 I think uh when we think it over I thi I think we are trying to offer the a kind of universal control for for less money . 2159.2 IS1000b A FIE081 0 2153.072 2153.44 2153.1 2153.41 Mm . 2153.41 IS1000b A FIE081 0 2159.376 2159.712 2159.4 2159.67 Mm-hmm . 2159.67 IS1000b D MIO016 3 2160.464 2160.912 2160.49 2160.84 Yeah . 2160.84 IS1000b B MIO082 1 2162.72 2165.904 2163.0 2165.87 So d Do you agree ? 2165.87 IS1000b C MIO050 2 2164.72 2165.008 2164.74 2165.008 Well - IS1000b C MIO050 2 2166.544 2171.28 2166.56 2171.25 Well I it's fine with me like the price as long as it is uh not too expensive . 2171.25 IS1000b D MIO016 3 2171.4 2197.792 2171.4 2197.75 Yeah because we have to take into account that we are gonna b we are gonna sell uh four aro around four million so when we speak about these numbers uh the price of a chip is uh price of a chip is very cheap . So I'm okay for designing um a ne uh less yeah a a kind of universal uh R_C_ yeah . 2188.6 2197.75 IS1000b C MIO050 2 2172.22 2173.302 2172.26 2173.302 Uh and it d uh - IS1000b C MIO050 2 2174.175 2175.12 2174.37 2175.08 Our provin - IS1000b A FIE081 0 2187.488 2187.824 2187.52 2187.77 Mm . 2187.77 IS1000b C MIO050 2 2187.744 2188.08 2187.76 2188.04 Mm . 2188.04 IS1000b B MIO082 1 2197.04 2200.208 2197.11 2200.17 Mm-hmm . You think it's possible for the twelve Euro fifty ? 2197.78 2200.17 IS1000b D MIO016 3 2200.624 2201.056 2200.73 2200.95 Yeah . 2200.95 IS1000b B MIO082 1 2201.328 2201.728 2201.36 2201.68 Okay . 2201.68 IS1000b B MIO082 1 2202.944 2204.304 2202.96 2204.23 Um so - IS1000b B MIO082 1 2205.296 2210.784 2205.32 2210.75 then we we decide on on on going to this more universal kind of control . 2210.75 IS1000b C MIO050 2 2210.317 2212.992 2210.59 2212.96 Uh yeah , that's that's what we needed basically . 2211.07 2212.96 IS1000b A FIE081 0 2213.152 2213.952 2213.18 2213.66 Mm-hmm . 2213.66 IS1000b B MIO082 1 2213.28 2214.288 2213.3 2214.25 Mm . Mm . Okay . 2213.52 2213.9 2214.25 IS1000b C MIO050 2 2214.208 2218.944 2214.27 2218.944 Uh that's needed right now . And uh basically you can look to the standards of other 2215.77 IS1000b D MIO016 3 2215.76 2220.512 2215.78 2220.48 Yeah that's needed , yeah . And if we want to get the market , we really need that . 2216.54 2218.07 2219.6 2220.48 IS1000b A FIE081 0 2217.008 2217.296 2217.03 2217.25 Mm . 2217.25 IS1000b A FIE081 0 2218.4 2218.72 2218.42 2218.68 Yeah . 2218.68 IS1000b A FIE081 0 2219.792 2229.344 2219.81 2229.31 Yeah . So I guess what I'd like from a universal remote is maybe choosing between three devices , being able to switch between them , there may be stereo , V_C_R_ and T_V_ . 2220.82 2225.53 2226.78 2228.27 2229.31 IS1000b C MIO050 2 2221.04 2221.44 2221.11 2221.27 Actu - IS1000b D MIO016 3 2225.523 2225.967 2225.55 2225.93 Yes . 2225.93 IS1000b C MIO050 2 2229.264 2229.472 2229.28 2229.44 Yeah . 2229.44 IS1000b D MIO016 3 2229.44 2230.583 2229.46 2230.583 Exactly . 2230.39 IS1000b A FIE081 0 2230.352 2233.792 2230.37 2233.76 And just be able to s use them all from the same remote , but not at the same time . 2232.89 2233.76 IS1000b B MIO082 1 2230.547 2231.15 2230.79 2231.1 Yes . 2231.1 IS1000b C MIO050 2 2231.291 2240.976 2231.291 2240.94 Yeah you can also browse through all the standards you know , where are the limit of standards for all of them and you can just browse through them . 2237.39 2240.94 IS1000b D MIO016 3 2233.872 2234.976 2233.93 2234.89 Is that okay for you ? Yeah . 2234.79 2234.89 IS1000b B MIO082 1 2235.929 2237.072 2235.99 2237.04 Mm mm mm mm . 2237.04 IS1000b D MIO016 3 2237.167 2237.685 2237.23 2237.54 Yeah . 2237.54 IS1000b D MIO016 3 2240.678 2241.264 2240.83 2241.23 Yeah . 2241.23 IS1000b B MIO082 1 2241.456 2243.52 2241.48 2243.49 So given we are going for this uh - IS1000b B MIO082 1 2244.912 2263.168 2245.01 2263.13 uh universal type uh m maybe it is good when you try to find out which components you therefore need and y you will try to get more specific uh user interface content and uh maybe you can look on on what trends are in this uh in this type of market . 2263.13 IS1000b D MIO016 3 2252.224 2252.688 2252.24 2252.65 Yes . 2252.65 IS1000b A FIE081 0 2253.008 2253.824 2253.56 2253.77 Mm . 2253.77 IS1000b C MIO050 2 2257.28 2258.592 2257.3 2258.56 Okay . Okay . 2258.16 2258.56 IS1000b A FIE081 0 2261.024 2262.161 2261.06 2262.06 Mm-hmm yep . 2262.06 IS1000b C MIO050 2 2265.056 2266.128 2265.08 2265.99 Voila . 2265.99 IS1000b C MIO050 2 2268.277 2268.768 2268.42 2268.73 Hmm . 2268.73 IS1000b B MIO082 1 2269.872 2276.245 2269.89 2275.87 So anyone uh has a point to bring in or shall we no . 2275.87 IS1000b C MIO050 2 2270.48 2270.992 2270.5 2270.91 So . 2270.91 IS1000b C MIO050 2 2273.52 2273.776 2273.54 2273.74 Well . 2273.74 IS1000b C MIO050 2 2275.216 2286.608 2275.24 2286.608 Oh I don't have anything right now . We can we'll we'll go and we'll I'm sure we'll up something good for the 2277.32 IS1000b D MIO016 3 2277.76 2279.231 2277.84 2279.08 Oh that's that's fine then . 2279.08 IS1000b B MIO082 1 2278.162 2278.872 2278.41 2278.81 Okay . 2278.81 IS1000b A FIE081 0 2282.462 2283.071 2282.62 2282.98 Mm-hmm . 2282.98 IS1000b B MIO082 1 2282.458 2287.744 2282.69 2287.7 W yes , we uh we can have lunch now . So um 2284.08 2286.53 IS1000b D MIO016 3 2283.744 2284.112 2283.9 2284.08 Yeah . 2284.08 IS1000b A FIE081 0 2286.016 2286.288 2286.04 2286.22 Mm-hmm . 2286.22 IS1000b C MIO050 2 2288.176 2291.168 2288.28 2291.168 Yeah so we meet in well what are our - IS1000b B MIO082 1 2288.589 2289.696 2288.76 2289.66 Then th - IS1000b B MIO082 1 2290.592 2296.96 2290.63 2296.91 th the next meeting will uh after lunch you have uh we have - IS1000b B MIO082 1 2298.096 2306.32 2298.12 2306.28 uh thirty minutes of work and then we have the next meeting . But you will be informed via the computer . Okay . 2302.02 2305.93 2306.28 IS1000b C MIO050 2 2305.056 2309.664 2305.14 2309.24 Okay . Cool . So see you later . 2306.5 2307.15 2309.24 IS1000b D MIO016 3 2306.832 2307.84 2306.832 2307.81 Okay perfect . 2307.81 IS1000c A FIE081 0 12.587 14.167 12.73 14.09 Right first time this time . 14.09 IS1000c A FIE081 0 16.502 17.034 16.66 16.96 Nu - IS1000c A FIE081 0 20.417 21.311 20.55 20.93 There we go . 20.93 IS1000c A FIE081 0 24.044 26.85 24.38 26.72 It's not that complicated , but I get it wrong every time . 25.34 26.72 IS1000c D MIO016 3 58.424 64.993 58.59 64.84 Okay so we are just waiting for Matthew . 64.84 IS1000c A FIE081 0 61.252 62.537 61.5 62.27 For Matthew , yep . 62.11 62.27 IS1000c B MIO082 1 62.48 63.79 62.68 63.53 Mm . 63.53 IS1000c B MIO082 1 77.067 78.057 77.41 78.057 Uh - IS1000c B MIO082 1 94.032 102.928 94.69 102.87 So I suggest we start the meeting uh without Matthew uh he's uh obviously late for some reason . 102.87 IS1000c A FIE081 0 97.148 97.807 97.33 97.64 Mm-hmm . 97.64 IS1000c D MIO016 3 98.352 99.072 98.51 98.95 Mm 'kay . 98.95 IS1000c B MIO082 1 105.936 106.848 105.936 106.81 Good . 106.81 IS1000c B MIO082 1 108.0 108.635 108.02 108.48 Um . 108.48 IS1000c B MIO082 1 110.341 113.536 110.47 113.47 Today uh we will uh talk about uh conceptual design . 113.47 IS1000c B MIO082 1 114.64 118.08 114.66 118.05 I hope uh you both did some uh some work uh - IS1000c A FIE081 0 117.216 117.472 117.24 117.44 Mm-hmm . 117.44 IS1000c B MIO082 1 119.872 125.936 119.89 125.88 concerning a uh conceptual design . Um this will be the uh agenda for 122.26 IS1000c B MIO082 1 127.168 130.672 127.2 130.59 the meeting uh . Uh I will 129.65 IS1000c B MIO082 1 131.664 145.952 131.68 145.88 take some minutes uh again . Um we will have the presentations of y of you different team members , and then try to come to decisions uh about the concepts uh you have presented . 134.26 140.65 145.88 IS1000c A FIE081 0 133.776 134.064 133.81 134.03 Mm-hmm . 134.03 IS1000c A FIE081 0 138.356 138.824 138.49 138.7 Yep . 138.7 IS1000c D MIO016 3 139.968 140.24 140.0 140.21 Yep . 140.21 IS1000c B MIO082 1 147.216 152.544 147.24 152.51 So and that uh will uh we have some uh forty minutes uh to complete this uh . 152.51 IS1000c D MIO016 3 147.19 148.02 147.49 147.97 Mm-hmm . 147.97 IS1000c A FIE081 0 152.128 152.498 152.15 152.4 Mm-hmm . 152.4 IS1000c B MIO082 1 154.704 159.795 154.72 159.71 So um who has the fir do you ha Anna do you have your presentation ready ? 159.71 IS1000c A FIE081 0 158.336 160.115 158.36 160.115 I have a presentation , I'm just making this 159.22 IS1000c D MIO016 3 159.185 166.368 159.41 166.08 Yeah I think yeah the Matthew it is it's important that Matthew yeah is here because - IS1000c B MIO082 1 160.528 161.159 160.55 160.99 Okay . 160.99 IS1000c B MIO082 1 165.28 166.224 165.3 166.19 Ah there is Matthew . 166.19 IS1000c D MIO016 3 167.92 175.904 167.94 175.904 it's really a a team uh project with a team and if someone is not here then we cannot but it's okay it's good . 175.51 IS1000c C MIO050 2 172.158 172.93 172.29 172.67 Sorry . 172.67 IS1000c A FIE081 0 179.28 182.224 179.32 182.18 Okay I'll just email you this file , my presentation . 181.47 182.18 IS1000c B MIO082 1 184.59 185.2 184.76 185.15 So . 185.15 IS1000c B MIO082 1 187.024 187.376 187.05 187.29 Good . 187.29 IS1000c B MIO082 1 194.016 195.456 194.05 195.42 Do presentation ready ? 195.42 IS1000c A FIE081 0 195.296 196.576 195.33 196.54 Mm-hmm I'm just emailing it to you . 196.54 IS1000c B MIO082 1 196.96 197.648 196.98 197.61 Oh okay . 197.61 IS1000c C MIO050 2 206.0 206.784 206.41 206.784 So - IS1000c B MIO082 1 208.768 210.032 208.86 210.032 So did you manage uh - IS1000c C MIO050 2 210.544 212.816 210.58 212.78 Yeah I sent you the slides , you didn't see them ? 211.96 212.78 IS1000c B MIO082 1 213.584 215.408 213.6 215.37 Oh yes I see him , good yes . 214.53 215.37 IS1000c C MIO050 2 214.4 215.002 214.42 214.59 Okay . 214.59 IS1000c C MIO050 2 216.544 217.672 216.544 217.672 . 217.672 IS1000c B MIO082 1 217.184 217.552 217.29 217.52 No . 217.52 IS1000c C MIO050 2 218.64 220.016 218.64 220.016 So - IS1000c C MIO050 2 226.416 227.088 226.5 227.02 'Kay . 227.02 IS1000c A FIE081 0 243.264 245.68 244.15 245.63 Okay it should've gone through to you . 245.63 IS1000c B MIO082 1 246.288 248.064 246.31 248.03 Okay mm yes I have it . 248.03 IS1000c A FIE081 0 253.824 254.064 253.85 254.01 Mm-hmm . 254.01 IS1000c A FIE081 0 255.328 266.576 255.39 266.54 Okay so this is just a presentation on uh the trends that we're gonna use to make the product stand out from the rest of the products out there at the moment . Um can I just put this on ? 263.9 266.54 IS1000c A FIE081 0 271.648 277.12 271.67 277.09 So we have to work out a way what we can do with our product to make it stand out and make it so people wanna buy it . 277.09 IS1000c A FIE081 0 278.336 278.784 278.36 278.74 Um . 278.74 IS1000c A FIE081 0 279.776 284.096 279.8 284.02 This is to do this I will not remove my microphone . 284.02 IS1000c A FIE081 0 287.136 304.464 287.16 304.464 We basically used um some focus group surveys which I went through with you last time , the main results of that , and um some research on the current design um and fashion trends that are out there at the moment um , and as part of this 291.82 293.43 302.13 IS1000c A FIE081 0 306.64 330.112 307.05 330.112 The important aspects that came out were things that we've already discussed really . The most important by far was the look and feel of it . It needs to be something that's very different from everything else out there . It needs to stand out . It needs to be not functional like the rest of the things out there at the moment . Most people find remote controls boring at the moment , we need to have something that looks interesting , that looks exciting , that will stand out . People will wanna buy it . Um 309.94 312.41 316.7 318.08 321.98 324.16 326.07 326.92 327.97 329.69 IS1000c A FIE081 0 331.392 347.812 331.41 347.53 That was twice as i important as the next item on here which is that it has to be technologically innovative has to have something else , apart from just the look of it . People have to then think about it and say got something there that I want . That's a really cool feature , and it has to make them wanna buy it again . 338.56 339.71 343.48 345.46 347.53 IS1000c A FIE081 0 347.812 361.328 347.94 361.29 Third on the list , and again innovative was twice as important as this last um aspect , it has to be easy to use . So they have to be able to be able to look at it and have some intuitive idea of how to use it um . 348.77 353.34 354.72 361.29 IS1000c A FIE081 0 362.768 388.4 362.82 388.12 Drawing on the fashion trends at the moment , uh fruit and vegetables um . This is basically talking about just the the feel of it , so probably not the smell of it , but the bright colours , um eye-catching , really bold designs , and a spongy feel . Um I had a talk to the design people about this , but having a remote that's tactile , that feels different , that would be really cool . That would make it stand out . Um . 365.03 369.36 371.48 372.65 374.16 375.77 377.87 378.98 381.13 383.1 384.34 385.3 387.73 388.12 IS1000c B MIO082 1 374.161 374.814 374.39 374.75 Mm . 374.75 IS1000c D MIO016 3 377.104 377.712 377.12 377.64 Mm-hmm . 377.64 IS1000c B MIO082 1 377.648 377.904 377.68 377.86 Mm . 377.86 IS1000c B MIO082 1 387.184 387.408 387.2 387.35 Hmm . 387.35 IS1000c D MIO016 3 389.008 392.848 389.03 392.79 So can you repeat and be more precise about what you just said ? 392.79 IS1000c B MIO082 1 393.488 394.478 393.51 394.4 Spongy feel ? 394.4 IS1000c D MIO016 3 393.72 397.584 393.9 397.51 Uh about the feeling yeah uh yo - IS1000c C MIO050 2 396.132 399.07 396.132 399.07 You can - IS1000c A FIE081 0 396.544 416.976 396.56 416.94 Well ma make it not necessar sp spongy is the current thing . Spongy is the current texture , but basically there are no reports no remotes at the moment which are spongy or tactile at all , so if we make it like maybe furry or soft or something , that'll be something that sets it apart , rather than just bare plastic which they all are at the moment . 400.98 402.06 408.2 412.18 414.86 416.94 IS1000c D MIO016 3 411.248 412.058 411.27 411.9 Okay . 411.9 IS1000c B MIO082 1 412.745 413.584 413.16 413.53 Mm . 413.53 IS1000c D MIO016 3 417.12 417.664 417.14 417.57 Yeah . 417.57 IS1000c B MIO082 1 418.032 418.432 418.08 418.39 Okay . 418.39 IS1000c A FIE081 0 419.2 439.12 419.92 439.09 So as far as the design goes , the very most important aspect was the design , to the customers . So going with the fruit and vegetable idea , we've got the bright colours , so makes it stand out , the oranges and the the bright yellows and the florescent colours , part of the fruit and vegetables um . 422.32 425.23 426.7 430.07 430.98 433.05 437.03 439.09 IS1000c A FIE081 0 440.48 451.536 440.53 451.44 Going back to the idea of taking inspiration from mobile phones , they've all got those a lot of them have the changeable covers , so they can choose what colour the outside is . That's one way of looking at it um . 443.64 445.74 448.77 451.44 IS1000c A FIE081 0 452.672 476.304 452.69 476.19 Textured feel we just talked about . Maybe it's another way of doing that . So if it's part of the the changeable covers then may maybe they can choose a different texture , a spongy one or a soft one or something like that . So they can choose it li as they want to to maybe to fit in with their decor in their living room , or just what they like , their sports team or whatever . Um and yeah , still taking the inspiration from the mobile phone design so 454.22 456.24 460.57 462.98 469.05 470.25 472.15 473.51 IS1000c B MIO082 1 454.768 455.296 455.01 455.24 Mm-hmm . 455.24 IS1000c D MIO016 3 465.232 467.633 465.25 466.6 Yeah that's a very good idea , yeah . 466.49 466.6 IS1000c D MIO016 3 470.192 470.756 470.21 470.47 Yeah . 470.47 IS1000c A FIE081 0 477.312 493.488 477.35 493.39 functionality , the way the mobile phones work , the way the keypad looks . Also just the way that a lot of industrial design is going into mobile phones at the moment . They're big selling items . People put a lot of thought into that so we can leverage off that , and we can start using some of their ideas . 478.37 479.94 481.73 486.4 488.52 491.42 493.39 IS1000c A FIE081 0 496.464 514.672 496.48 514.672 Um back to technological in in innovation , not quite as important , but still a big issue . Um we talked about having a way of finding a remote control if it's been lost , uh that's one thing we could look at . There are other aspects like L_C_D_ screens and speech recognition which weren't 500.09 500.93 502.48 507.06 510.43 IS1000c A FIE081 0 515.76 526.864 515.78 526.83 I don't think , in my personal opinion , gonna be worth the extra expense and the extra effort that will go into them . I think we're better doing something basic like this which is very important and very will be a really cool feature to put in . 516.34 517.2 521.32 526.83 IS1000c D MIO016 3 520.848 521.36 520.9 521.28 Mm-hmm . 521.28 IS1000c A FIE081 0 527.968 528.432 528.01 528.432 And - IS1000c A FIE081 0 529.456 547.504 529.456 547.47 use . I had no real specific ideas for this , maybe we just , the basic idea of having your core functions big and at the top maybe , by themselves , and then yeah and then th th the finer details of buttons you don't use as much either hidden away or completely separate . 530.44 533.12 534.23 538.99 540.66 547.47 IS1000c B MIO082 1 538.288 539.008 538.36 538.92 Mm . 538.92 IS1000c B MIO082 1 539.856 543.603 539.88 543.603 Yes well maybe Matthew can can give some more information on the - IS1000c C MIO050 2 541.436 541.984 541.73 541.93 Yeah . 541.93 IS1000c B MIO082 1 547.761 548.234 547.92 548.02 Mm . 548.02 IS1000c C MIO050 2 548.496 548.864 548.53 548.79 Voila . 548.79 IS1000c A FIE081 0 549.004 550.912 549.02 550.87 Yep and that's the presentation . 550.87 IS1000c B MIO082 1 551.296 553.136 551.36 553.1 Okay good , that's very clear . 552.04 553.1 IS1000c D MIO016 3 552.843 555.136 553.39 554.52 Yeah very clear . 554.52 IS1000c C MIO050 2 553.856 554.224 553.88 554.16 Yeah . 554.16 IS1000c B MIO082 1 555.072 555.52 555.2 555.49 'Kay . 555.49 IS1000c B MIO082 1 557.152 557.712 557.17 557.68 Um . 557.68 IS1000c A FIE081 0 557.757 561.008 557.79 561.008 So does anyone have any comments or ideas on that ? I think you 560.58 IS1000c B MIO082 1 558.395 559.041 558.58 559.041 Uh - IS1000c B MIO082 1 560.771 575.344 560.88 575.344 Maybe we yes well we maybe can decide later on um the l the the look and feel of uh I've it was a good idea maybe to to - IS1000c D MIO016 3 575.472 578.587 575.57 578.37 To let the people choose , you mean ? Yeah . 577.86 578.12 578.37 IS1000c B MIO082 1 577.44 597.184 577.46 597.184 Yes the the the there are changeable covers , but on the other hand I I don't know whether my superiors would be so glad with it because you have to introduce a complete uh uh new l line of uh of supplies uh it would be uh very complicated uh organisational 580.8 IS1000c A FIE081 0 593.374 593.872 593.56 593.84 Hmm . 593.84 IS1000c A FIE081 0 597.6 603.337 597.62 603.27 Well we're selling so many units of this . This is gonna be a mass marketed product , we can afford to have two or three different designs at least . 599.74 601.06 603.27 IS1000c B MIO082 1 600.676 602.516 600.99 602.41 Hmm . Mm-hmm . 601.86 602.41 IS1000c D MIO016 3 602.646 607.624 602.71 607.57 Yeah a range of uh yeah , a set of three , four different aspects . 604.97 605.97 607.57 IS1000c B MIO082 1 604.656 605.101 604.68 605.04 Yes . 605.04 IS1000c A FIE081 0 605.088 606.592 605.13 606.56 Mm mm . 606.56 IS1000c B MIO082 1 607.952 608.32 607.98 608.27 Mm-hmm . 608.27 IS1000c D MIO016 3 608.603 612.185 608.84 612.185 Sure that fits the - IS1000c B MIO082 1 609.488 623.552 609.8 623.37 Yes and of course it will be a we we get a if it works we can get uh after-sales I mean that would would be very good I mean those covers could go for for three , five Euro . 621.87 623.37 IS1000c A FIE081 0 616.336 616.656 616.37 616.62 Mm . 616.62 IS1000c D MIO016 3 618.496 618.72 618.52 618.62 Yeah . 618.62 IS1000c A FIE081 0 622.704 623.04 622.73 623.01 Mm . 623.01 IS1000c B MIO082 1 624.88 627.104 625.43 627.104 That's a very good idea um - IS1000c B MIO082 1 628.752 630.352 628.77 630.32 And then uh - IS1000c B MIO082 1 631.424 635.36 631.44 635.33 maybe uh we can go a th Matthew's presentation because - IS1000c C MIO050 2 635.376 641.072 635.44 641.04 Yeah s then we could discuss later like we can put all ideas together . 641.04 IS1000c A FIE081 0 636.08 636.352 636.1 636.32 Mm-hmm . 636.32 IS1000c B MIO082 1 636.496 637.131 636.53 637.131 the - IS1000c B MIO082 1 640.992 647.328 641.01 647.29 Together indeed uh , because you ma might have some some information on the the easy to use , what you were already mentioning . 642.02 645.63 647.29 IS1000c A FIE081 0 641.515 642.085 641.72 642.01 Mm . 642.01 IS1000c D MIO016 3 641.904 643.566 641.93 643.42 Yeah yeah I agree . 643.42 IS1000c C MIO050 2 641.934 643.387 642.02 643.3 It should be easier with that . 643.3 IS1000c C MIO050 2 645.76 646.112 645.78 646.08 Yeah . 646.08 IS1000c A FIE081 0 645.872 646.996 645.89 646.6 Mm-hmm , yeah . 646.29 646.6 IS1000c D MIO016 3 646.208 646.602 646.23 646.57 Yeah . 646.57 IS1000c D MIO016 3 647.664 653.963 647.68 653.53 And your part is very related to mine because when you suggest something then it has to be integrated inside . 653.53 IS1000c C MIO050 2 647.456 648.08 647.72 648.08 So - IS1000c C MIO050 2 649.776 650.144 649.81 650.1 Yeah . 650.1 IS1000c C MIO050 2 651.52 658.848 651.57 658.848 Yeah so I'll I'll go with that actually so um - IS1000c A FIE081 0 655.2 656.768 655.23 655.81 Mm-hmm . 655.81 IS1000c C MIO050 2 670.032 714.39 671.11 714.35 Okay so m so then the the idea of uh having a remote is generally you have uh different keys and uh different structures , different forms , and uh they could be like buttons or like and um they could be of uh a varying sizes if you want to to uh basically emphasize a particular key more than the other , and uh maybe like you can have different colours for example having the r red for the on off switching on and off the button . 685.92 687.52 705.99 714.35 IS1000c C MIO050 2 714.39 752.233 714.42 752.233 So this this is the general trend to ha the method they do . So what I have found was that uh currently uh the they are mostly that the T_V_ , V_C_R_ , music system operated ones actually , and they are very specific to each other , but there are some common keys for example if you want to follow the V_C_R_ and if you want to follow the uh g uh s some uh soundtrack on the w w see they have the common thing actually you can have and uh 720.17 728.61 729.77 731.92 734.41 IS1000c D MIO016 3 716.028 716.678 716.16 716.44 Yeah . 716.44 IS1000c A FIE081 0 716.72 717.024 716.74 716.98 Mm-hmm . 716.98 IS1000c A FIE081 0 748.211 748.839 748.46 748.62 Mm . 748.62 IS1000c C MIO050 2 752.233 775.752 752.42 775.45 There is also um a speech recognition to store channel information , names , like You can basically if you have a multiple functionality , say T_V_ , V_C_R_ or something I say it to the T_V_ and the T_V_ , and you can programme the keys if you want to , certain keys are even the channel information . 758.45 758.84 762.7 763.35 767.29 771.9 775.45 IS1000c A FIE081 0 764.862 765.376 765.07 765.25 Mm . 765.25 IS1000c A FIE081 0 774.288 782.416 774.31 782.38 Mm . I like the idea though of having speech recognition for like the n the name of a channel like B_B_C_ , rather than having to remember the the number of it on the keypad . That's a good idea . 775.07 779.75 781.74 782.38 IS1000c C MIO050 2 781.632 801.969 781.66 801.969 Yeah yeah so you you you can just uh because uh as more and more channels come then you have more and more problems to remember the v v exact channel numbers ex exactly , even if you arrange it by however you arrange it , you still have the problem to remember exactly which channel you want to 794.41 798.12 IS1000c D MIO016 3 790.487 792.533 790.487 792.533 . 792.533 IS1000c A FIE081 0 791.888 792.112 791.91 792.08 Mm . 792.08 IS1000c D MIO016 3 793.632 794.163 793.66 794.1 Yeah . 794.1 IS1000c A FIE081 0 797.792 798.08 797.81 798.04 Hmm . 798.04 IS1000c A FIE081 0 799.292 801.309 799.57 801.2 Mm . Yeah I really like that idea . 800.29 801.2 IS1000c D MIO016 3 800.812 804.152 801.16 804.02 So what functionalities do you suggest for that ? 804.02 IS1000c D MIO016 3 805.168 806.272 805.19 806.22 For facing this problem ? 806.22 IS1000c C MIO050 2 804.224 837.43 805.28 836.8 So it it it's like it limited one . In the present market I saw it that says something like they are looking for eighty word thing , eighty word , which shouldn't be th that difficult to implement , like eighty to hundred word . Basically you want you don't want to store all the channels in the remote control , you want to st store your favourite channel . Yeah some ten twelve channel information . You know you don't want to st store all the hundred channel information into that . 809.53 815.9 816.88 820.85 822.95 827.95 830.57 833.12 836.8 IS1000c A FIE081 0 816.608 816.912 816.64 816.87 Mm-hmm . 816.87 IS1000c A FIE081 0 826.512 826.848 826.54 826.8 Mm . 826.8 IS1000c A FIE081 0 829.744 831.578 829.76 831.52 Maybe ten channels , yeah at the most . 830.86 831.52 IS1000c D MIO016 3 832.993 833.67 833.16 833.55 Okay . 833.55 IS1000c A FIE081 0 835.29 835.736 835.32 835.57 Mm . 835.57 IS1000c C MIO050 2 837.43 860.594 837.45 860.56 And uh basically uh it depends like the remote with L_C_D_ display for browsing because you have multiple functionalities for example you are watching a movie , and uh uh you are having a universal remote control and you want to uh you don't know really which functionality is now , so I am using the T_V_ so 847.8 859.05 IS1000c C MIO050 2 860.594 885.598 860.61 885.41 every time I use it , it could be like , for example I can use a simple toggle switch , and a display , so I press it so the display says , okay , I'm in T_V_ or D_V_D_ or whatever it is , instead of having three keys separately for four keys , to model the functionalities will increase actually , and for you and you might want you don't want separate keys for all of them . You can't . 863.63 864.24 867.46 868.67 870.55 870.95 873.4 876.65 879.52 884.59 885.41 IS1000c A FIE081 0 872.448 872.672 872.47 872.64 Mm-hmm . 872.64 IS1000c D MIO016 3 872.72 873.152 872.74 873.12 Mm-hmm . 873.12 IS1000c D MIO016 3 874.72 876.267 874.83 876.23 Oh yeah yeah yeah mm . 876.23 IS1000c A FIE081 0 877.602 878.14 877.74 877.97 Mm . 877.97 IS1000c D MIO016 3 878.56 878.968 878.62 878.84 Mm . 878.84 IS1000c A FIE081 0 882.188 882.666 882.26 882.37 Mm . 882.37 IS1000c C MIO050 2 885.598 905.291 885.74 905.06 And uh well there can be children friendly where you can programme your remote so that they they are not allowed uh to browse certain channels which you can block them , and you can operate them . So these are the things presently which are seen in the market scenarios at present . 897.96 900.3 905.06 IS1000c D MIO016 3 900.064 900.642 900.1 900.61 Mm-hmm . 900.61 IS1000c C MIO050 2 905.291 944.848 905.38 944.848 I personally would look at things like having a u universal remote , is uh um is a good idea , like instead of having unusual ones for all of them you can think of having , um with multiple functionality possibly with speech recognition . I got a mail from the the coffee machine interface unit that uh they have uh integrated the s speech recognition into a into the coffee machine , and so if you say hello coffee machine , it say hi Joe , or something like that , you know , and uh 910.76 915.22 921.72 926.91 939.2 941.04 942.26 943.3 944.2 IS1000c A FIE081 0 920.24 920.56 920.27 920.51 Mm-hmm . 920.51 IS1000c A FIE081 0 939.277 940.222 939.4 939.86 Mm b - IS1000c A FIE081 0 944.432 948.645 944.45 948.42 But a coffee machine , there's not too many words they'd be using with that it's a it's a small vocabulary . 945.07 948.42 IS1000c C MIO050 2 945.009 994.192 945.009 994.192 Yeah you you won't be using it , so it's a limited vocabulary mm thing , and very isolated word and it's uh it is interesting , and basically storing the channel through voice or other ways of programming your keys , on the display for the browsing which is again and maybe having something like a blinking thing , like uh it could indicate you're uh it it could indicate what is cal like the uh whether uh you you have enough battery in your in your uh remote , the blinking . At the same time , if it's a dark room , it can be used to locate the remote also or 948.52 950.91 955.16 964.03 971.87 986.54 987.41 988.04 988.97 IS1000c A FIE081 0 949.653 950.249 949.78 950.07 Mm . 950.07 IS1000c A FIE081 0 952.592 952.912 952.62 952.87 Mm . 952.87 IS1000c A FIE081 0 963.424 963.696 963.46 963.66 Mm . 963.66 IS1000c A FIE081 0 980.464 980.736 980.56 980.7 Mm . 980.7 IS1000c D MIO016 3 985.952 986.544 986.13 986.5 Yeah . 986.5 IS1000c D MIO016 3 994.16 1002.08 994.18 1002.03 And you want okay for coming back to one point y you want to let the user to programming the keys ? Some of them ? 1001.3 1002.03 IS1000c A FIE081 0 996.672 998.025 996.69 997.95 Two thirty five supposed to finish . 997.95 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1002.0 1003.74 1002.02 1003.52 Yeah you can let them to do that . 1003.52 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1003.032 1014.423 1003.25 1014.23 And uh isn't that too difficult for the we want w I don't know if we still want the um R_C_ to be easy to use , that's the compromise . 1011.61 1014.23 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1011.568 1011.792 1011.59 1011.76 Hmm . 1011.76 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1012.832 1033.6 1012.87 1033.52 N no but the if you give it d depends on the easiness like the user how much effort he can put . Like for example uh I would like to store in certain way , so if you want to give the full freedom to the user or you want to keep some constraints and let the user use it with that constraint . So it de 1019.15 1023.18 1033.13 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1016.4 1016.672 1016.42 1016.64 Yeah . 1016.64 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1019.04 1019.232 1019.06 1019.2 Hmm . 1019.2 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1025.819 1026.436 1026.07 1026.2 Mm . 1026.2 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1026.832 1027.168 1026.9 1027.13 Yeah . 1027.13 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1028.856 1029.599 1029.17 1029.47 Yeah . 1029.47 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1030.982 1031.545 1031.14 1031.49 Mm . 1031.49 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1032.832 1033.056 1032.85 1033.02 Yeah . 1033.02 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1032.976 1043.668 1033.0 1043.52 I think you can do it both ways . You can have it so it's easy they can pick it up and use it straight away without doing anythi without customizing it , or if they want to they have the option of using these extra features . 1034.0 1039.23 1043.52 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1037.04 1037.816 1037.06 1037.66 A standard . 1037.66 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1038.912 1039.296 1038.94 1039.25 Yeah . 1039.25 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1042.336 1055.298 1043.02 1055.298 Um yes but but I do maybe you can give a hand to us because I I'm not sure whether that that we can implement that for twelve Euro and fifty cents . I'm sorry to have 1054.21 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1043.08 1044.119 1043.36 1044.119 So - IS1000c D MIO016 3 1043.312 1044.246 1043.47 1043.79 Yeah . 1043.79 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1054.064 1056.368 1054.064 1056.368 So - IS1000c A FIE081 0 1054.672 1054.976 1054.69 1054.94 Hmm . 1054.94 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1055.684 1067.12 1055.684 1067.12 Every time I have to come down on this price again to so this might be a little limiting for your creativity , but it's it's it's the real 1064.07 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1058.72 1059.776 1058.74 1059.67 Hmm . 1059.67 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1064.256 1064.756 1064.28 1064.55 Hmm . 1064.55 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1068.128 1090.672 1068.128 1090.672 We have to consider it . S so do we think these ideas an and my uh sp speech recognition , I mean maybe it's possible for for twelve Euro but then then it will be at cost of other functionality we might implement like the uh uh the the the furry uh uh case of the 1070.14 1075.97 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1070.48 1070.864 1070.51 1070.83 Yeah . 1070.83 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1083.664 1084.032 1083.68 1083.99 Mm . 1083.99 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1090.208 1090.624 1090.25 1090.57 Hmm . 1090.57 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1090.608 1110.715 1090.65 1110.715 Mm-hmm yeah like I would say that for programming uh keys , you said , uh it could be uh easily uh done within the the package of twel twelve Euros , but for the A_S_R_ system , uh I'm not sure if it's feasible to have this or 1096.15 1097.07 1103.72 1106.42 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1096.192 1096.48 1096.21 1096.43 Yeah . 1096.43 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1102.972 1103.936 1103.28 1103.9 Mm . 1103.9 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1103.312 1103.616 1103.33 1103.58 Yeah . 1103.58 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1108.848 1119.136 1109.62 1119.1 We well we can still look at we can talk with the coffee unit and you can uh check how much how much they yeah yeah yeah . 1119.1 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1111.416 1112.03 1111.58 1111.85 We - IS1000c D MIO016 3 1114.4 1122.672 1114.42 1122.64 Exactly yeah i if if it's a low vocabulary it's already implemented , and w how much it's cost , maybe with a f cheap chip . 1119.07 1120.64 1122.64 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1118.592 1118.896 1118.63 1118.86 Mm . 1118.86 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1120.962 1148.464 1121.23 1148.43 Maybe we can come we we can talk to them , and we can come with that , you know . And also well you can think of having uh since you have a you know something maybe if you added little bit of display , you might need the to che keep checking the battery , so you really need a some kind of indicator , so it could be a blinking option of L_E_D_ it could actually be used to detect also . If it's in a dark room you can basically detect it also . 1123.79 1125.05 1126.16 1133.06 1136.16 1138.51 1145.51 1148.43 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1122.336 1123.568 1122.46 1123.17 Mm mm . 1123.17 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1125.296 1125.552 1125.33 1125.52 Yeah . 1125.52 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1138.784 1139.079 1138.82 1139.04 Hmm . 1139.04 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1142.528 1142.864 1142.56 1142.82 Hmm . 1142.82 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1143.56 1144.286 1143.78 1144.02 Yeah . 1144.02 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1146.908 1147.388 1147.07 1147.3 Mm . 1147.3 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1148.16 1148.368 1148.18 1148.33 Hmm . 1148.33 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1148.592 1150.193 1148.62 1149.84 Yeah . 1149.84 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1148.96 1149.2 1148.98 1149.17 Hmm . 1149.17 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1149.336 1150.108 1149.44 1150.108 So - IS1000c B MIO082 1 1149.554 1150.123 1149.74 1150.0 Mm . 1150.0 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1149.712 1157.648 1149.75 1157.61 I like the idea too of being able to use the remote in the dark , so either having the buttons so you can feel the difference between them or if they if they light up or something . 1152.33 1157.61 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1155.999 1176.02 1156.27 1175.76 No actually i if i it is like you know it tells you um , it can be for two purposes , like if you have an L_C_D_ display and all those things it's not going to be the standard remote , which is having uh which need just uh six six volt uh th sorry three volts um of D_C_ . 1160.75 1162.32 1167.68 1175.76 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1161.744 1162.365 1162.01 1162.3 Mm . 1162.3 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1164.14 1164.79 1164.35 1164.61 Mm . 1164.61 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1167.248 1167.568 1167.27 1167.52 Hmm . 1167.52 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1171.919 1172.485 1172.01 1172.34 Mm . 1172.34 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1176.02 1201.616 1176.17 1201.48 It may need more actually , so y you you may need to check your battery usage it and then you need that , some functionality to indicate the battery limit . And then if the battery limit is indicated , if it could be ind indicated through a blinking something and it can change the colour depending on your uh how much is the battery , well that is good enough to even locate even if you want to . 1177.28 1183.68 1186.39 1188.99 1198.55 1201.48 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1182.365 1183.04 1182.71 1182.98 Mm . 1182.98 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1185.488 1185.854 1185.51 1185.7 Hmm . 1185.7 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1185.393 1187.042 1186.15 1186.88 It's true . 1186.88 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1191.984 1192.272 1192.0 1192.23 Mm . 1192.23 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1201.616 1202.192 1201.65 1202.1 Mm-hmm . 1202.1 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1202.784 1203.136 1202.8 1203.08 You know . 1203.08 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1203.632 1204.404 1203.632 1204.404 . 1204.404 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1203.634 1204.496 1203.85 1204.45 'Kay good . 1204.45 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1204.896 1205.728 1204.92 1205.728 Yeah so - IS1000c D MIO016 3 1205.648 1208.286 1205.67 1208.286 I don't know how if if I have time to talk about the - IS1000c B MIO082 1 1207.968 1209.508 1208.0 1209.508 Mm yes um I would - IS1000c C MIO050 2 1208.502 1211.792 1208.72 1211.46 You you have time some more ? Yep . 1211.11 1211.46 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1211.76 1214.725 1211.78 1214.53 Yes yes you can you can still . We have time . 1214.0 1214.53 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1213.584 1218.612 1213.584 1218.58 Okay . 1218.58 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1213.639 1217.889 1213.639 1217.57 Sure you can you know . 1217.57 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1223.623 1269.552 1223.8 1269.52 So what I'm gonna present here is very uh um yeah basic knowledge about the all the the components that are inside a a R_C_ a remote control , and how is it manufactured h what is the process , just to explain you . So the method is ther there is a a set of components in a in a remote control like , and uh what cost the the components in themself do not cost a lot but the the way to assemble everything costs obviously , and I will uh show you my preferences uh uh at the end . 1240.34 1243.91 1246.56 1254.23 1264.7 1269.52 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1239.2 1239.568 1239.23 1239.52 Mm-hmm . 1239.52 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1270.672 1275.568 1270.72 1275.568 So there are two uh different types of uh um - IS1000c B MIO082 1 1275.744 1277.556 1276.46 1277.556 Nice . 1277.06 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1276.592 1312.381 1276.61 1312.19 Two different ways of using the the components for making a a remote control . Uh the basic way is to use a an integrated circuit and some uh transistors with an that aims at communicating uh uh the message and to to send the message to the um to the led that will uh transmit to the receiver . And uh yeah the other components and the circuit board buttons , infrared , led , etcetera , for the components um . 1281.28 1301.18 1307.21 1308.16 1308.98 1309.46 1312.19 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1277.018 1277.832 1277.36 1277.76 Hmm . 1277.76 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1313.974 1346.448 1314.18 1346.34 So you finding , just to say that the chip can detect uh when a key is pressed , and then it translate to the key , to a sequence , something like morse code , as you know , uh with a different sequence for each key , and uh uh that's , with the components we will use , we will have different uh messages , different sequences , and the chips sends that signal signal to the transistor that amplify to make it stronger um . 1315.74 1319.68 1321.94 1322.89 1324.65 1326.27 1329.84 1332.1 1333.72 1336.52 1338.3 1346.34 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1325.424 1325.888 1325.45 1325.85 Mm-hmm . 1325.85 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1325.664 1326.048 1325.68 1326.0 Mm-hmm . 1326.0 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1347.52 1382.192 1347.57 1382.15 So electronic parts are assembled onto uh printed boards uh because it's easier to mass produce and assemble . And uh so I think for our design we want some b uh programmable uh you know V_ V_L_S_I_ or F_P_G_A_ uh high technology , and this is important , and also we'll use uh yeah like in any uh high-tech uh devices a chip of fi fibreglass to them and connect them . 1356.65 1370.64 1371.92 1382.15 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1366.725 1368.656 1367.03 1368.61 Yeah mm mm-hmm . 1368.61 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1379.632 1380.032 1379.67 1380.0 Mm-hmm . 1380.0 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1384.144 1406.014 1384.72 1405.98 So my personal design we need to find a solution what um what is the material of the cover we want to use . If it's plastic or you said that yeah you had some ideas uh like fruit , veg or I dunno . Yes . 1396.35 1401.99 1405.45 1405.98 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1397.275 1397.921 1397.57 1397.79 Mm . 1397.79 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1403.424 1424.156 1403.44 1424.156 Well well m m maybe m maybe we can give the uh the uh the case a very uh uh normal a v very normal case but , with the changeable covers to fancy it up . So like a normal cheap plastic case which can be covered up in , for instance , a wooden case . I mean just what 1413.85 1416.54 1421.03 1421.54 1422.49 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1413.28 1413.68 1413.3 1413.65 Yes . 1413.65 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1415.808 1416.128 1415.84 1416.08 Mm-hmm . 1416.08 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1419.136 1419.44 1419.17 1419.4 Mm-hmm . 1419.4 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1419.472 1420.2 1419.49 1420.1 Yeah . 1420.1 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1419.76 1420.112 1419.78 1420.08 Yes . 1420.08 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1422.736 1424.603 1422.78 1424.603 Mm just have a yeah - IS1000c D MIO016 3 1423.296 1454.724 1423.42 1454.41 Yeah like they do in with cars I think . Yeah inside the car yeah . So they also emailed me that uh they have available a bunch of different buttons , a scroll wheels , integrated push buttons s such as a computer mouse . And uh very cheap L_C_D_s , so liquid crystal displays , so I'm wondering , I think we might be able to integrate L_C_D_ into our R_C_ . 1425.98 1428.7 1436.13 1437.57 1442.74 1445.73 1446.99 1447.93 1454.41 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1425.692 1427.488 1426.05 1427.45 Just the veneer on it , yeah . 1427.16 1427.45 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1442.304 1443.286 1442.67 1443.01 Yeah . 1443.01 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1454.724 1505.792 1454.99 1505.76 And the final point okay is um we have yeah there are some uh compromise to to do . So we have to know that the push button requires a simple chip , but the scroll wheel uh and that kind of higher high-tech stuff needs more money um which is a higher price range alright . And the display requires an advanced chip , which in turns is more expensive than the regular chip , but I think uh with twelve Euros um and if it's uh uh made for mm four million uh items , then I think w we could be able to handle that . So to to sum up um 1463.54 1467.82 1480.62 1483.1 1486.32 1497.78 1502.47 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1463.264 1463.472 1463.28 1463.44 Hmm . 1463.44 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1496.992 1497.36 1497.01 1497.32 Mm-hmm . 1497.32 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1507.216 1540.672 1507.25 1540.64 we need yeah so I I just said that the components uh the list of components uh has to be uh yeah listed and um and um assembly is a an important process that has to be taken into account . And uh for the designing of the cove uh uh cover layout then it's better to to to maybe see that with uh the the U_R_ exp U_R_I_ Expert so that we can it's really a team-working uh . So I I cannot design something without your agreement , right ? 1522.96 1537.27 1540.39 1540.64 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1526.174 1526.768 1526.48 1526.73 Sorry . 1526.73 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1526.88 1527.388 1527.01 1527.28 Mm . 1527.28 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1536.987 1537.588 1537.25 1537.42 Mm . 1537.42 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1540.368 1556.126 1540.39 1556.126 Yeah so of course for example uh I wanted to know like if you want to have a a fo if you want to have the L_C_D_ display over there , or if you want to store a programmes with a keys 1552.16 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1540.592 1542.077 1540.62 1541.99 No of course . 1541.99 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1550.544 1550.96 1550.56 1550.93 Yes . 1550.93 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1557.712 1561.136 1557.76 1561.136 What kind of things you'll need inside your thin inside - IS1000c C MIO050 2 1562.208 1563.536 1562.23 1563.536 W wh what - IS1000c D MIO016 3 1562.481 1574.481 1562.74 1574.481 Yeah it's kind of um simple pro progra programmable device , and we have to insert . I think we could insert one that could underlie several functions of 1568.4 1570.2 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1564.528 1565.04 1564.55 1565.04 W what - IS1000c C MIO050 2 1568.368 1568.814 1568.39 1568.75 Okay . 1568.75 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1570.224 1570.751 1570.24 1570.58 Okay . 1570.58 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1574.512 1580.112 1574.53 1580.08 Okay so in that case you can even look at the technology what the mobile phone is trying to use with the card . 1580.08 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1580.896 1583.502 1580.92 1583.42 Exactly yeah , for customizing and yeah . 1581.89 1583.42 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1581.116 1592.21 1581.56 1591.95 Yeah where they do all the wi with with them actually . How f cost effective it would be to put that car chip into it and do the programmable things . 1585.27 1591.95 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1584.784 1585.312 1584.9 1585.28 Okay . 1585.28 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1590.288 1590.688 1590.41 1590.65 Yeah . 1590.65 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1590.528 1591.265 1590.87 1591.265 So - IS1000c D MIO016 3 1591.712 1593.136 1591.73 1593.08 Yeah good idea . 1593.08 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1592.24 1615.776 1592.26 1615.73 So I f I think we we should come to some decisions now uh a about this . Um so I understand uh when we want a display we need a expensive chip , but when we want a scrolling wheel w we also need the expensive chip , so can we use same chip , so with one expensive chip 1600.15 1605.8 1611.33 1613.98 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1596.151 1598.305 1596.151 1598.305 Yeah . 1598.2 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1616.96 1623.083 1617.0 1622.95 we can uh implement several complicated uh or advanced features . 1622.95 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1622.64 1638.96 1622.66 1638.87 Exactly yeah that's a very good idea , we could have uh one main chip uh that could handle , uh it's called F_P_G_A_ chip , that could handle both uh like scrolling wheels as well as uh L_C_D_ and yeah . 1624.53 1628.36 1631.13 1638.87 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1623.439 1624.021 1623.55 1623.78 Yes . 1623.78 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1627.36 1627.648 1627.39 1627.61 Mm-hmm . 1627.61 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1630.896 1631.317 1630.93 1631.28 Mm-hmm . 1631.28 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1630.795 1631.513 1630.95 1631.45 Mm-hmm . 1631.45 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1639.04 1653.808 1639.06 1653.76 So when the more expensive chip you mentioned there is is possible in the in the given budget , uh maybe we should go for for the more expensive chip , so all features uh which you mentioned can be implemented based on the same chip . 1644.39 1647.79 1653.76 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1654.24 1654.656 1654.27 1654.62 Yes . 1654.62 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1655.28 1657.313 1655.33 1657.313 D well - IS1000c B MIO082 1 1657.648 1658.704 1657.67 1658.67 Do you think that's feasible ? 1658.67 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1660.016 1664.624 1660.19 1664.59 Well I don't know if it'll fit into our cost of twelve point five Euro you know . 1664.59 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1663.895 1664.558 1664.2 1664.558 Uh - IS1000c B MIO082 1 1665.024 1666.24 1665.04 1666.2 You th you think it's possible . 1666.2 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1666.32 1668.526 1666.38 1668.44 Is it possible to fit in to that ? 1668.44 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1667.728 1677.84 1667.75 1677.84 Yeah also thinking , I think both uh if we had a budget of twenty twenty uh Euros , it will be okay , but uh 1668.82 1674.48 1676.85 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1672.548 1673.565 1672.72 1673.0 Sorry . 1673.0 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1675.984 1676.4 1676.02 1676.35 Hmm . 1676.35 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1678.88 1680.328 1678.88 1680.328 . 1680.328 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1678.848 1687.488 1679.0 1687.22 Well maybe we need specific costings then . Actually do maybe two designs and then cost them out and see which one is gonna fit in our budget better . 1681.41 1687.22 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1687.408 1688.887 1687.43 1688.72 Yeah that's an excellent idea . 1688.72 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1687.616 1698.672 1687.64 1698.5 Mm yes wh when you make a a design ca you can next meeting you can give an quite an exact cost price . That w that would be a very good idea . 1696.98 1698.5 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1695.44 1704.176 1695.48 1704.05 Yeah yeah . Yeah because right now I don't have price in in head but for next meeting I'm sure yeah be able to do that . 1697.73 1704.05 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1697.184 1697.456 1697.21 1697.4 Mm . 1697.4 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1700.544 1701.191 1700.58 1701.08 Mm . 1701.08 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1702.528 1704.169 1702.55 1704.0 Good good . 1704.0 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1703.168 1717.776 1703.19 1717.74 Yeah that's uh that's something which I wanted to ask you also , like what will be the each individually the cost of it . For example if f if you want to put wood I wouldn't suggest for wood uh 'cause it's I think it's m 1706.51 1709.78 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1709.568 1709.92 1709.59 1709.88 Yeah . 1709.88 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1714.224 1714.842 1714.33 1714.66 Okay . 1714.66 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1718.88 1731.604 1718.9 1731.604 much easier to use a plastic or a rubber rather than wood . It will be much ch much expensive th though it's the most natural thing , but 1723.85 1727.84 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1720.592 1723.309 1720.61 1723.21 I agree on that . Yeah . 1722.3 1723.21 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1721.792 1722.08 1721.82 1722.04 Mm . 1722.04 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1728.704 1744.935 1728.72 1744.86 Yes but I can I think uh I think we can just use more cheap plastic for a kind of basic edition , and then people can fancy it up with with more expensive materials which which come with a with another price . 1737.33 1744.86 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1737.44 1737.916 1737.51 1737.8 Yeah . 1737.8 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1737.888 1738.208 1737.91 1738.15 Hmm . 1738.15 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1739.383 1741.632 1739.383 1741.632 Yeah it's uh - IS1000c C MIO050 2 1743.776 1756.64 1743.776 1756.64 Yeah we we can give a preference to them , but it is but with plastic or the rubber or whatever it is it's much better with that rather than going for 1746.7 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1756.624 1757.579 1756.68 1757.42 Do do you agree ? 1757.42 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1757.232 1782.16 1757.25 1782.08 Yeah but i it's a detailed uh yeah yeah uh plastic versus uh wood , and we need maybe to centre our description on uh the the really the what buttons what uh functionality we want to offer to the user , and maybe with uh graphs or I don't know uh User Interface Designer you could maybe uh help us on that . 1761.78 1772.6 1782.08 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1757.6 1758.608 1757.62 1758.39 Mm yeah sure . 1758.39 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1760.608 1760.864 1760.63 1760.83 Yeah . 1760.83 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1772.512 1772.809 1772.53 1772.77 Yeah . 1772.77 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1782.64 1791.104 1782.66 1791.07 Ma I I think uh for next meeting we c you two can present a real design . 1791.07 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1787.337 1788.03 1787.55 1787.77 Yeah . 1787.77 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1789.1 1789.849 1789.37 1789.74 Yea - IS1000c A FIE081 0 1791.072 1791.936 1791.14 1791.66 Mm-hmm . 1791.66 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1791.184 1791.776 1791.28 1791.74 Okay . 1791.74 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1792.288 1794.208 1792.31 1794.15 Uh so drawing it on the board . 1794.15 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1794.32 1794.896 1794.34 1794.86 Perfect yeah . 1794.86 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1795.392 1800.896 1795.41 1800.86 And then we now sh only have to t to decide the general function uh . 1800.86 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1801.92 1804.096 1801.97 1804.096 So um - IS1000c B MIO082 1 1806.496 1811.488 1806.6 1811.45 Let let's say next meeting w you produce two designs , one one 1810.85 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1808.648 1810.784 1808.648 1810.74 Yeah sure . 1810.74 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1812.624 1813.881 1812.64 1813.881 Yeah we will uh - IS1000c B MIO082 1 1813.24 1816.752 1813.44 1816.72 one less advanced and one more advanced and with the cost price . 1816.72 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1815.76 1816.064 1815.78 1815.92 Yeah . 1815.92 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1815.984 1816.192 1816.01 1816.15 Yeah . 1816.15 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1816.688 1816.96 1816.71 1816.91 Mm . 1816.91 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1818.704 1827.888 1818.72 1827.83 Uh furthermore we go for the for the uh basic plastic case which can be later uh fancied up with uh - IS1000c C MIO050 2 1818.568 1819.296 1818.97 1819.21 Uh . 1819.21 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1828.928 1841.968 1828.98 1841.93 with addit uh additional uh , how do you call them , these like like mobile telephones you can put a cover over it . But that that that that can be done later . We now can concentrate on the on the basic remote control . 1831.79 1832.96 1836.7 1839.08 1841.93 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1835.856 1836.336 1835.9 1836.14 Mm . 1836.14 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1836.304 1836.704 1836.32 1836.54 Yeah . 1836.54 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1838.352 1839.798 1838.58 1839.69 Yeah customized . 1839.69 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1838.947 1839.645 1838.947 1839.645 . 1839.645 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1841.008 1841.296 1841.03 1841.25 Mm . 1841.25 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1843.568 1844.615 1843.73 1844.5 Um . 1844.5 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1843.344 1846.064 1843.77 1845.68 Okay . 1845.68 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1847.072 1849.984 1847.56 1849.95 We can give them smooth keys , you know . 1849.66 1849.95 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1851.424 1852.688 1851.44 1852.65 Smooth keys - IS1000c C MIO050 2 1853.808 1855.536 1853.83 1855.536 with bigger s uh - IS1000c C MIO050 2 1856.576 1857.552 1856.62 1857.552 So that you know - IS1000c C MIO050 2 1858.608 1873.915 1858.63 1873.915 The the problem most of the time we've seen , the keys is that it's small , and every time we have to be very but if i the if we if we go to a different ways of designing those keys , then you can merge them together to 1860.94 1863.44 1870.85 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1862.816 1863.248 1862.88 1863.2 Yeah . 1863.2 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1863.168 1863.472 1863.2 1863.44 Mm . 1863.44 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1873.114 1876.66 1873.19 1876.51 So is there any of these that you're looking at particularly or is this just ideas ? 1876.51 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1875.808 1902.72 1875.83 1902.72 Oh you can actually , for example , if you see , they are they are they are quite small over here , and uh now you can , for example , as I was if you make them big , it may change the look of the thing also to the people . At the same time , it is m more uh like it would be more interesting for people who are having this R_S_I_ and all problem . Uh big keys may better for them actually and uh 1876.86 1877.35 1878.29 1881.16 1883.31 1883.79 1886.37 1891.05 1892.31 1899.64 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1880.208 1880.768 1880.23 1880.66 Mm-hmm . 1880.66 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1884.88 1885.168 1884.9 1885.13 Hmm . 1885.13 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1888.64 1889.088 1888.67 1888.93 Mm . 1888.93 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1890.948 1891.623 1891.24 1891.53 Mm . 1891.53 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1891.203 1891.963 1891.47 1891.82 Mm-hmm . 1891.82 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1897.84 1899.269 1897.87 1899.13 Mm yeah . 1899.13 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1898.096 1901.691 1898.15 1901.5 Yes yes yes bi big keys is is good thing I think . 1901.5 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1900.655 1901.297 1900.79 1901.25 You see ? 1901.25 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1902.64 1905.863 1902.67 1905.71 I agree yeah , and not too m too many keys of course yeah . 1903.39 1905.71 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1903.232 1903.888 1903.54 1903.81 Yeah . 1903.81 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1905.424 1906.128 1905.45 1906.09 No no . 1906.09 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1905.456 1919.056 1905.48 1918.93 Mm well one I've had before , a r r remote control we have at home is one that's actually got a cover on the bottom so the bottom bit is just , covers half the keys most of the time , and then you can slide the cover back to get to the the more advanced keys . 1907.76 1913.05 1914.73 1918.93 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1906.4 1906.945 1906.48 1906.89 Yeah . 1906.89 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1914.576 1915.397 1914.6 1915.08 Mm mm mm . 1915.08 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1917.609 1940.711 1919.03 1940.61 Mm w but then you have still have uh when you don't use it you have such a a an extent of your remote control which you don't use . So maybe it's possible uh , I don't know whether you can can indicate this , that you can elsewhere open your remote control and on the inside are uh buttons you don't use that much . 1928.41 1930.38 1933.46 1940.61 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1919.008 1919.36 1919.03 1919.3 Yeah . 1919.3 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1927.232 1927.536 1927.27 1927.49 Mm . 1927.49 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1933.68 1934.064 1933.75 1933.88 Yeah . 1933.88 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1935.232 1935.552 1935.27 1935.52 Mm . 1935.52 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1937.264 1937.728 1937.28 1937.67 Yeah . 1937.67 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1939.344 1946.704 1939.43 1946.63 Um yeah I've seen that before too . Anoth another like b it flips up and then you've got another layer of buttons underneath . 1941.55 1946.63 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1941.104 1941.429 1941.12 1941.35 Yeah . 1941.35 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1944.496 1945.19 1944.59 1944.83 Yes . 1944.83 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1944.608 1945.69 1944.63 1945.53 Yes . 1945.53 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1946.64 1952.788 1946.66 1952.788 Yeah so it's something like this , the model here s you can put the keys 1948.22 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1949.248 1949.648 1949.28 1949.57 Mm . 1949.57 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1949.878 1950.876 1950.19 1950.83 Mm . 1950.83 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1951.776 1956.384 1951.8 1956.3 But I've seen also with keys and buttons on the top of here as well . 1956.3 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1951.968 1952.782 1951.99 1952.67 That's what you mean ? 1952.67 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1954.256 1958.311 1954.29 1958.15 Yes I I th that's what I mean so I mean something - IS1000c C MIO050 2 1954.63 1955.664 1954.72 1955.63 Yeah . Yeah . 1955.35 1955.63 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1959.616 1960.749 1959.65 1960.65 like like a book . 1960.65 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1960.064 1962.016 1960.11 1961.93 I like this one . I like the shape of this one . 1960.95 1961.93 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1962.32 1962.72 1962.34 1962.61 Yeah . 1962.61 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1963.568 1972.864 1963.59 1972.83 Can we have can we think about maybe having a a non-recta non non-rectangular one , so with not just the straight little box that's a maybe curved or something . 1968.3 1972.83 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1964.061 1966.576 1964.67 1966.53 Yeah I like also this one . 1966.53 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1971.148 1984.464 1971.17 1984.464 Yeah , the point is w maybe we need to also to make a decision on how how how big we want to be and how many buttons like n we should dec decide numbers or 1971.8 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1971.289 1972.634 1971.54 1972.41 Yeah , mm . 1972.0 1972.41 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1980.016 1985.344 1980.06 1985.29 Mm mm 'kay . Is this for the next meeting though ? I think we might be out of time out of time for this meeting . 1981.95 1983.05 1985.29 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1981.744 1982.953 1981.94 1982.953 We should make a - IS1000c B MIO082 1 1983.425 1984.472 1983.425 1984.39 Mm . 1984.39 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1985.408 1987.696 1985.43 1987.696 Yeah that yeah next meeting we should be - IS1000c D MIO016 3 1987.019 1987.601 1987.17 1987.5 Okay . 1987.5 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1987.168 1989.071 1987.19 1988.92 Ju just make two designs , 1988.92 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1988.8 1991.372 1988.83 1991.32 Yeah that would depend upon us actually . 1991.32 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1989.152 1989.693 1989.19 1989.66 Yeah yeah yeah . 1989.66 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1990.656 1994.032 1990.69 1994.0 and the we we can decide decide between th those designs . 1994.0 IS1000c A FIE081 0 1993.792 1993.984 1993.81 1993.95 Yep . 1993.95 IS1000c C MIO050 2 1994.032 1996.096 1994.05 1996.06 Yeah okay . 1996.06 IS1000c B MIO082 1 1995.568 2001.104 1995.59 2001.05 I think that would be a good idea . So anyone uh any questions for now ? 1996.93 2001.05 IS1000c D MIO016 3 1996.48 1997.072 1996.5 1996.78 Perfect . 1996.78 IS1000c C MIO050 2 2000.272 2001.456 2000.42 2001.41 No no . 2001.41 IS1000c A FIE081 0 2001.01 2001.648 2001.3 2001.6 No . 2001.6 IS1000c C MIO050 2 2003.024 2003.936 2003.06 2003.9 I don't have . 2003.9 IS1000c A FIE081 0 2003.888 2009.088 2003.91 2008.83 So is this is there anything else I need to do from a marketing point of view for the next meeting ? 2008.83 IS1000c B MIO082 1 2007.984 2011.312 2008.02 2011.312 Um yes I come to that uh uh - IS1000c C MIO050 2 2011.776 2014.384 2011.8 2014.35 Maybe it would be interesting if you could look um - IS1000c C MIO050 2 2015.275 2020.8 2015.33 2020.69 for the cost inventories of other devices , if you're using speech recognition or something like that . 2017.92 2020.69 IS1000c B MIO082 1 2025.232 2033.491 2025.49 2033.42 Yes well m maybe uh , I don't know whether that's possible , maybe you can start evaluating uh their work somehow . 2028.06 2029.44 2033.42 IS1000c A FIE081 0 2029.696 2030.048 2029.72 2030.0 Mm . 2030.0 IS1000c A FIE081 0 2033.2 2037.104 2033.22 2037.104 Okay well is this me designing a way to evaluate it so - IS1000c A FIE081 0 2038.256 2040.384 2038.28 2040.34 Thinking about how to set up test groups and things ? 2040.34 IS1000c B MIO082 1 2040.409 2046.32 2040.409 2046.28 I don't know whether that's possible uh in the given time but a as far as possible . 2046.28 IS1000c A FIE081 0 2043.584 2043.92 2043.6 2043.89 Mm . 2043.89 IS1000c A FIE081 0 2046.432 2046.944 2046.46 2046.81 Okay . 2046.81 IS1000c B MIO082 1 2048.192 2052.642 2048.21 2052.49 So uh you two will be together w working on a o on two prototypes - IS1000c A FIE081 0 2048.184 2048.748 2048.38 2048.52 Yep . 2048.52 IS1000c D MIO016 3 2049.594 2051.033 2049.81 2050.86 Exactly . 2050.86 IS1000c C MIO050 2 2050.333 2052.265 2050.49 2052.265 Mm . 2052.06 IS1000c D MIO016 3 2052.816 2053.056 2052.84 2053.02 Yeah . 2053.02 IS1000c B MIO082 1 2053.824 2057.408 2053.84 2057.37 and further instructions will be uh will be sent to you by uh by email . 2057.37 IS1000c D MIO016 3 2057.056 2059.904 2057.08 2059.82 Two or three prototypes ? Two ? 2059.53 2059.82 IS1000c C MIO050 2 2058.416 2058.769 2058.44 2058.73 Two . 2058.73 IS1000c B MIO082 1 2059.232 2059.536 2059.25 2059.48 Two . 2059.48 IS1000c C MIO050 2 2059.904 2072.819 2059.92 2072.72 One for like cost and the one with like higher-end so that then we can be easily comparing them or you know find a compromise between both of them , yeah that's how it is . 2071.59 2072.72 IS1000c B MIO082 1 2061.088 2061.28 2061.12 2061.28 I - IS1000c D MIO016 3 2063.174 2063.824 2063.42 2063.76 Okay . 2063.76 IS1000c B MIO082 1 2063.925 2065.472 2064.16 2065.472 Mm and then - IS1000c A FIE081 0 2064.176 2064.56 2064.2 2064.46 Mm . 2064.46 IS1000c D MIO016 3 2067.824 2070.518 2067.86 2070.37 Yeah and find maybe a compromise . 2070.37 IS1000c B MIO082 1 2068.481 2069.639 2068.75 2069.639 Hmm . 2069.57 IS1000c A FIE081 0 2070.16 2070.432 2070.19 2070.4 Hmm . 2070.4 IS1000c B MIO082 1 2071.392 2072.461 2071.41 2072.27 Yes okay . 2072.27 IS1000c D MIO016 3 2072.384 2073.296 2072.4 2073.24 Perfect yeah . 2073.24 IS1000c A FIE081 0 2072.656 2072.96 2072.69 2072.92 Mm-hmm . 2072.92 IS1000c C MIO050 2 2073.632 2073.84 2073.65 2073.81 Yep . 2073.81 IS1000c B MIO082 1 2073.488 2075.36 2074.15 2075.31 Okay let's call this to an end . 2075.31 IS1000c A FIE081 0 2075.44 2076.88 2075.48 2076.82 Mm 'kay . Thanks guys . 2076.31 2076.82 IS1000c C MIO050 2 2075.312 2076.368 2075.52 2076.24 Okay . 2076.24 IS1000c D MIO016 3 2076.912 2077.312 2076.96 2077.28 Thanks . 2077.28 IS1000c C MIO050 2 2078.804 2080.329 2079.08 2080.02 So we are done - IS1000c C MIO050 2 2082.052 2083.507 2082.23 2082.99 for now . 2082.99 IS1000c C MIO050 2 2094.433 2097.151 2094.433 2097.151 . 2097.151 IS1000d A FIE081 0 6.848 10.167 7.27 10.12 Did you get my email with the slides ? 10.12 IS1000d A FIE081 0 25.488 26.784 25.73 26.64 Ah . Tricky . 26.13 26.64 IS1000d C MIO016 2 37.456 43.552 37.51 43.31 I guess I have to change the pen otherwise . Will be completely different . 39.89 43.31 IS1000d A FIE081 0 42.624 47.056 42.64 46.72 Dunno . Maybe they're supposed the pen's supposed to go over the seats . 43.85 46.72 IS1000d A FIE081 0 50.16 51.824 50.18 51.75 Might be seat floor rather than person . 51.75 IS1000d A FIE081 0 53.424 54.416 53.96 54.38 Yeah , put it back . 54.08 54.38 IS1000d C MIO016 2 54.336 59.184 54.96 59.04 Yeah . And do you think it's . 55.46 59.04 IS1000d A FIE081 0 56.944 58.067 56.99 57.87 Yep . 57.87 IS1000d B MIO082 1 58.688 63.328 58.688 63.1 Okay . 63.1 IS1000d A FIE081 0 59.152 61.728 59.17 61.728 Yeah . Jo's making faces at me . 59.8 61.35 IS1000d C MIO016 2 63.766 64.0 63.85 63.97 Yeah . 63.97 IS1000d B MIO082 1 65.392 65.792 65.41 65.74 So . 65.74 IS1000d B MIO082 1 67.344 69.248 67.36 69.2 Matthew is uh late again . 69.2 IS1000d A FIE081 0 69.856 70.16 69.88 70.1 Mm-hmm . 70.1 IS1000d B MIO082 1 70.512 76.08 70.512 75.7 Probably an important man . Um . 74.18 75.7 IS1000d B MIO082 1 79.808 83.04 80.22 83.01 So well it is important for him to be here uh . 83.01 IS1000d C MIO016 2 83.024 84.96 83.024 84.92 Yeah . 84.92 IS1000d C MIO016 2 86.128 88.24 86.15 88.14 So what can you ? 88.14 IS1000d B MIO082 1 86.416 87.088 86.56 87.088 He he he - IS1000d B MIO082 1 88.208 90.848 88.24 90.81 You did work together didn't you ? 90.81 IS1000d C MIO016 2 89.264 104.912 89.28 104.85 Yeah we will yeah , so I will be able to to summarize uh our meeting , but still I think uh it would be in very important if the uh as um main designer . 91.18 97.08 104.85 IS1000d B MIO082 1 97.248 97.651 97.27 97.54 Yes . 97.54 IS1000d C MIO016 2 106.224 108.256 106.25 108.2 I think we can put on the here . 108.2 IS1000d B MIO082 1 108.544 110.122 108.56 109.86 Yes . Yes . 109.58 109.86 IS1000d C MIO016 2 116.231 125.473 116.4 124.8 Uh basically w yeah we we designed the two uh items . 124.8 IS1000d B MIO082 1 124.16 127.584 124.6 127.584 Mm . Um yes but w we 125.72 IS1000d C MIO016 2 125.473 132.133 125.77 132.133 Um , can we have a phone , can someone 129.84 131.16 IS1000d B MIO082 1 134.608 136.272 134.64 136.24 Yes , maybe we should phone him . 135.11 136.24 IS1000d C MIO016 2 136.973 139.986 137.11 139.5 it's really w well designed . 139.5 IS1000d B MIO082 1 137.424 138.016 137.44 138.016 Um well - IS1000d A FIE081 0 138.469 139.065 138.66 138.82 Mm . 138.82 IS1000d B MIO082 1 139.456 147.872 139.48 147.81 Um , when he is not here we will just we just have to continue . Um so just for record I I will take uh notes again . 140.56 144.04 147.81 IS1000d A FIE081 0 139.717 142.307 139.91 142.18 Mm , object tracking . 141.18 142.18 IS1000d C MIO016 2 145.097 145.566 145.28 145.4 Yeah . 145.4 IS1000d A FIE081 0 148.704 148.96 148.73 148.93 Okay . 148.93 IS1000d B MIO082 1 149.264 150.528 149.28 150.49 And um - IS1000d B MIO082 1 151.904 173.824 151.92 173.74 well first thing uh I was uh uh I got an email from uh from my superior again that we really should stay within the budget of the uh twelve Euro and fifty cents . It's uh well he said to me well uh 170.03 IS1000d C MIO016 2 166.805 167.399 166.85 167.32 'Kay . 167.32 IS1000d B MIO082 1 174.912 185.76 174.93 185.73 when you stay in it's good , when you don't stay in you have to redesign . There is no uh no negotiation uh possible in this matter . 175.94 178.82 185.73 IS1000d B MIO082 1 186.992 188.192 187.01 187.95 So we have to consider that . 187.95 IS1000d B MIO082 1 188.974 190.432 188.974 190.39 Good . 190.39 IS1000d C MIO016 2 188.758 189.336 189.06 189.24 Yep . 189.24 IS1000d B MIO082 1 193.68 194.464 193.7 194.36 Um - IS1000d B MIO082 1 195.472 200.477 195.49 200.26 so maybe Anna , you can have your presentation . 198.15 200.26 IS1000d A FIE081 0 199.312 202.37 199.33 202.28 Well we can't no we can't do evaluation 'til we have a design . 202.28 IS1000d B MIO082 1 212.368 215.328 212.39 215.23 Okay Matthew . Nice uh you are here . 213.3 215.23 IS1000d C MIO016 2 215.173 215.856 215.34 215.62 Great . 215.62 IS1000d B MIO082 1 216.512 222.928 216.53 222.89 Great . Great . Oh ma maybe then you can start now with mm presenting your uh your designs . 216.79 218.46 222.89 IS1000d C MIO016 2 223.072 223.392 223.16 223.36 Yep . 223.36 IS1000d C MIO016 2 224.912 229.616 224.96 229.56 So I will start by the the basic one that uh - IS1000d C MIO016 2 230.848 278.416 230.92 278.34 fits into uh eight Euros actually , right , seven eight Euros , and uh well first for both they have um a special shape , maybe the designer can uh explain better than me , but uh it's like a surf board . And you you are supposed to surf to browse to surf T_V_ , maybe the web , and uh it's kind of interesting shape because um unconsciously people want to s to surf when they see this stuff . And also it's not too far from um a mobile . 237.12 237.67 239.45 246.44 250.5 253.76 259.59 261.21 275.27 278.34 IS1000d A FIE081 0 236.64 237.103 236.66 236.94 Mm-hmm . 236.94 IS1000d A FIE081 0 253.952 254.33 253.97 254.24 Mm 'kay . 254.24 IS1000d D MIO050 3 274.32 275.28 274.34 275.2 Or browse . 275.2 IS1000d B MIO082 1 278.976 279.424 279.01 279.36 Mm . 279.36 IS1000d A FIE081 0 278.808 279.464 279.03 279.35 Mm-hmm . 279.35 IS1000d C MIO016 2 279.44 296.912 279.46 296.83 So people are used to that kind of shape , right . Don't take care too much about the colour because w yeah we don't take yeah . So here would be basically the the the infrared uh uh led yeah L_A_ L_A_ L_E_D_ , 281.44 282.32 288.33 296.83 IS1000d D MIO050 3 279.68 279.936 279.7 279.88 Mm . 279.88 IS1000d A FIE081 0 281.344 282.752 281.37 282.65 Mm-hmm . 282.65 IS1000d D MIO050 3 285.552 288.73 285.57 288.45 Now we are supposed to give some oper offers right now . 288.45 IS1000d D MIO050 3 293.424 295.088 293.424 295.04 I yeah . 295.04 IS1000d B MIO082 1 293.584 293.92 293.6 293.88 Eye . 293.88 IS1000d A FIE081 0 293.84 294.176 293.86 294.14 Mm-hmm . 294.14 IS1000d D MIO050 3 296.832 297.936 296.85 297.81 L_E_D_ . 297.81 IS1000d C MIO016 2 297.904 316.56 297.93 316.53 the on-off button , in red . Here would be the volume . On the on the left , okay , so easy to turn on t and off . And um so this is a very cheap version so there are maybe you can carry on uh Matthew . 299.13 300.52 304.06 305.65 306.14 308.94 316.53 IS1000d A FIE081 0 299.072 299.655 299.17 299.51 Mm-hmm . 299.51 IS1000d A FIE081 0 303.376 303.856 303.47 303.79 Oh yeah . 303.79 IS1000d B MIO082 1 304.752 305.088 304.77 305.03 Uh-huh . 305.03 IS1000d D MIO050 3 305.184 305.856 305.24 305.78 Mm-hmm , hmm . 305.67 305.78 IS1000d B MIO082 1 306.464 306.688 306.49 306.65 Yes . 306.65 IS1000d D MIO050 3 316.48 332.768 316.5 332.54 Also so you have uh uh browsing the channels , actually so you can go up and down the channels , uh , if you have a video or something you can forward , back . 322.7 325.98 326.94 332.25 332.54 IS1000d A FIE081 0 323.44 323.744 323.46 323.71 Mm-hmm . 323.71 IS1000d A FIE081 0 324.533 324.939 324.68 324.85 Yeah . 324.85 IS1000d C MIO016 2 332.048 336.464 332.07 336.43 How can you change from V_C_R_ to uh T_V_ , by the way ? 335.94 336.43 IS1000d D MIO050 3 337.312 359.408 337.46 359.34 Oh no no no , this is a single this this is a model with just the T_V_ one . No no just sorry , this is a standard T_V_ one , we are not talking about that . So and then we have usually there twelve keys but we know that we rel that we have only ten digits . The extra two are for uh having or giving an option for uh having more than one channel . 338.79 342.22 343.16 344.67 346.04 351.83 359.34 IS1000d C MIO016 2 341.76 343.568 341.78 343.53 Okay yeah . Yeah yeah . 342.28 343.53 IS1000d B MIO082 1 342.321 343.431 342.43 343.22 Ah , okay . 342.83 343.22 IS1000d A FIE081 0 351.28 351.744 351.34 351.64 Mm-hmm . 351.64 IS1000d D MIO050 3 360.736 365.664 360.76 365.55 And the other one is for the teletext or something you want to browse through from that . Actually . 365.2 365.55 IS1000d C MIO016 2 363.36 363.584 363.38 363.55 Yeah . 363.55 IS1000d B MIO082 1 364.88 365.951 365.05 365.9 Mm-hmm . 365.9 IS1000d A FIE081 0 365.152 368.304 365.17 368.304 Okay so it's it's t a very basic remote then , it's only 367.89 IS1000d D MIO050 3 367.92 380.224 367.94 380.19 It's a very basic minimal thing which you can which is which is also available in the market , actually that's what it that it i and would cost us to build it about eight Euros . 374.93 380.19 IS1000d A FIE081 0 369.6 369.984 369.74 369.95 Mm . 369.95 IS1000d B MIO082 1 370.268 371.524 370.44 371.36 Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . 370.87 371.08 371.36 IS1000d B MIO082 1 377.648 378.454 377.93 378.18 Mm . 378.18 IS1000d A FIE081 0 378.8 379.12 378.83 379.07 Mm . 379.07 IS1000d C MIO016 2 378.779 380.927 379.08 380.65 Seven , eight , ei eight Euros . 379.46 379.62 380.65 IS1000d B MIO082 1 380.208 389.056 380.43 388.96 Exce except for the for the special shape , the surfing board , it has a quite a a conventional layout of buttons uh . 382.89 383.72 388.96 IS1000d D MIO050 3 385.472 385.776 385.5 385.74 Yeah . 385.74 IS1000d D MIO050 3 388.368 388.976 388.39 388.83 Yeah . 388.83 IS1000d C MIO016 2 389.12 389.552 389.15 389.44 Yeah . 389.44 IS1000d D MIO050 3 390.176 397.216 390.2 396.78 So this one model and uh yeah . Sure . 394.3 396.78 IS1000d A FIE081 0 392.267 392.882 392.41 392.77 Can I see ? 392.77 IS1000d A FIE081 0 393.982 394.888 394.05 394.72 Thanks . 394.72 IS1000d A FIE081 0 397.513 399.29 397.65 399.11 Okay I like the volume control , that's good . 398.73 399.11 IS1000d D MIO050 3 399.552 425.824 399.552 425.73 Th this is a magic one but I know we don't want to talk about that , you know like uh i i i it is a very futuristic , it's like uh it's like a brain machine interface and all this stuff we are thinking about in the future , it can come . So that uh then what we look t yeah . 405.43 410.67 416.95 419.65 425.73 IS1000d A FIE081 0 414.78 415.233 414.89 415.2 Uh-huh . 415.2 IS1000d C MIO016 2 415.568 415.904 415.59 415.87 Yeah . 415.87 IS1000d A FIE081 0 417.872 419.136 417.89 419.1 So it doesn't actually have buttons . 419.1 IS1000d A FIE081 0 424.521 425.136 424.55 425.04 Did you wanna see ? 425.04 IS1000d B MIO082 1 426.416 428.864 426.46 428.83 Mm-hmm . Yeah no you can carry on , I just 427.09 428.56 IS1000d D MIO050 3 427.456 429.856 427.48 428.94 This is a model , yeah . 428.2 428.94 IS1000d B MIO082 1 430.128 434.352 430.15 434.25 look how it feels all . Yes it really feels like like like a mobile phone . 431.24 434.25 IS1000d A FIE081 0 434.267 434.608 434.34 434.57 Mm . 434.57 IS1000d C MIO016 2 434.528 434.752 434.55 434.69 Yeah . 434.69 IS1000d D MIO050 3 434.598 435.12 434.76 435.02 Yep . 435.02 IS1000d B MIO082 1 435.472 445.047 435.49 444.94 Just I'm I really want to talk to it . But . So but but continue with your uh mm-hmm . 438.59 442.16 444.94 IS1000d C MIO016 2 436.528 437.501 436.55 437.39 Yeah actually , yeah . 437.05 437.39 IS1000d A FIE081 0 438.752 441.424 438.752 441.424 It won't talk back . 441.15 IS1000d D MIO050 3 444.016 463.653 444.04 463.62 Uh so well then the this is the a more a little uh smooth and it gives a lot of functionality , uh in this way , so all we have uh th you see there are only six keys , but don't worry they are ma they are doing the job of twelve keys actually here . 454.29 455.92 459.01 463.62 IS1000d A FIE081 0 462.793 463.343 462.99 463.24 Right . 463.24 IS1000d B MIO082 1 463.2 464.112 463.22 464.07 Mm . 464.07 IS1000d D MIO050 3 464.32 511.616 464.34 511.616 And so they have more space actually and uh it's easy to uh use this and uh you have um so this is a standard uh uh infrared eye , and then you have a power button , which l volume , what you have , and then other than that you have uh channel up and down and uh f slow pause or s slow lo yeah s pause or stop , and uh then uh you can uh you have a L_C_D_ display , here and uh y this is a functional thing which can change like it's a toggle switch which could change the function say , y you press it 478.29 480.65 481.77 482.97 494.79 501.2 510.8 IS1000d A FIE081 0 465.867 466.417 465.99 466.17 Mm-hmm . 466.17 IS1000d B MIO082 1 482.576 483.024 482.61 482.95 Mm-hmm . 482.95 IS1000d C MIO016 2 490.61 491.542 490.71 491.41 Play , pause . 490.9 491.41 IS1000d B MIO082 1 500.608 501.056 500.64 501.0 Mm-hmm . 501.0 IS1000d B MIO082 1 511.104 513.677 511.12 513.61 From D_V_D_ player to television or something . 513.61 IS1000d D MIO050 3 512.736 514.832 512.77 514.832 Yeah . I really can change it , so 513.34 514.54 IS1000d C MIO016 2 513.2 517.206 513.22 517.06 Exactly yeah . To audio and to video on demand . 514.22 517.06 IS1000d B MIO082 1 514.048 514.485 514.15 514.35 Yes . 514.35 IS1000d B MIO082 1 515.776 516.096 515.82 516.04 Mm . 516.04 IS1000d D MIO050 3 515.824 518.98 515.84 518.98 Instead of having many switches , y 518.01 IS1000d A FIE081 0 517.536 517.904 517.59 517.87 Mm-hmm . 517.87 IS1000d B MIO082 1 517.824 521.716 517.84 521.35 Yes and and and then you get feedback via the L_C_D_ yeah . 521.35 IS1000d D MIO050 3 520.976 572.736 521.0 572.7 The L_C_D_ can display what is that on that , and uh well you can have a integrated microphone over here , or in the button th here , so which can uh basically you want to do a speech recognition and uh that channel a lot of information can be di displayed here directly on the um on your on your display . And here is a small L_E_D_ which is like blinking one , which tells you like uh are you running out of the battery , and which is can be useful for the locating as I was talking earlier okay . And uh well then we have a cover basically , basically you don't need much of the time this , when you need you can use it , and this gives additional functionality that tomorrow you want you can add a tactile thing 524.3 529.26 531.86 545.56 550.25 553.16 558.08 561.18 565.18 567.04 IS1000d C MIO016 2 522.16 522.763 522.23 522.65 Yes . 522.65 IS1000d B MIO082 1 522.803 523.397 522.9 523.26 Mm-hmm . 523.26 IS1000d C MIO016 2 528.32 531.591 528.35 531.49 This is the orange button , the microphone . 529.93 531.49 IS1000d B MIO082 1 531.841 532.622 531.93 532.46 Mm-hmm . 532.46 IS1000d C MIO016 2 543.708 544.8 543.86 544.77 An yeah . 544.77 IS1000d B MIO082 1 549.648 550.048 549.68 549.98 Mm-hmm . 549.98 IS1000d C MIO016 2 557.152 557.424 557.17 557.37 Yeah . 557.37 IS1000d B MIO082 1 557.344 558.132 557.38 557.98 Mm-hmm . 557.98 IS1000d C MIO016 2 563.536 563.92 563.56 563.88 Yeah . 563.88 IS1000d C MIO016 2 573.568 578.015 573.568 578.015 Crazy dis designer , okay . 576.38 577.46 IS1000d D MIO050 3 573.904 578.416 573.92 578.23 to this cover you know . Design enter . 576.47 578.23 IS1000d B MIO082 1 573.968 574.16 573.99 574.13 Mm . 574.13 IS1000d B MIO082 1 577.68 584.722 577.7 584.44 Yeah but but but but uh i in there uh when this is closed , will it also uh cover up the L_C_D_ screen ? 582.05 584.44 IS1000d D MIO050 3 581.632 581.936 581.65 581.9 Yeah . 581.9 IS1000d C MIO016 2 584.096 584.88 584.12 584.84 Yeah yeah yeah yeah . 584.84 IS1000d D MIO050 3 584.8 586.896 584.82 586.86 Yeah . It's basically to do that . 585.2 586.86 IS1000d C MIO016 2 586.368 586.608 586.39 586.57 Yeah . 586.57 IS1000d B MIO082 1 586.311 590.528 586.59 590.49 But but the L_C_D_ screen I mean is a very uh - IS1000d B MIO082 1 592.0 596.474 592.02 596.474 well an eye-attracting feature which shouldn't be shouldn't be - IS1000d D MIO050 3 594.736 614.736 595.11 614.7 Actually when you are watching the T_V_ , when you are watching anything or listening to them , you hardly care about what is getting displayed here , you know , uh you want to uh and this gives a protection to the L_C_D_ actually , giving a cover to that actually . Gives a protection because when it falls down or something 597.69 600.15 602.57 603.56 609.0 611.85 IS1000d C MIO016 2 596.828 598.046 596.98 597.92 Oh actually well . 597.92 IS1000d B MIO082 1 603.429 605.064 603.72 604.8 That th that's true . 604.8 IS1000d B MIO082 1 611.68 611.92 611.71 611.88 Mm . 611.88 IS1000d D MIO050 3 615.856 623.072 615.88 623.072 it it is it is is is it gives a protec it's more robust that way . Uh yeah . And you have very good chances 620.52 621.51 IS1000d B MIO082 1 616.336 618.624 616.37 618.59 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Yes . Yes , more robust . 616.85 617.28 617.81 617.97 618.59 IS1000d B MIO082 1 619.936 620.576 619.96 620.54 Yes okay . 620.54 IS1000d A FIE081 0 620.043 620.496 620.22 620.46 Mm . 620.46 IS1000d C MIO016 2 623.056 628.24 623.18 628.14 It's low weight . You have to see yeah yeah the the components we put inside is very low weight . 624.05 628.14 IS1000d D MIO050 3 624.416 624.624 624.44 624.59 Yeah . 624.59 IS1000d B MIO082 1 628.528 629.008 628.55 628.97 Mm-hmm . 628.97 IS1000d D MIO050 3 628.463 628.984 628.62 628.95 Yeah . 628.95 IS1000d C MIO016 2 629.28 635.76 629.3 635.73 So the the cost is actually a bit more , it's uh it's it's sixteen Francs . 632.06 635.73 IS1000d D MIO050 3 633.671 634.0 633.78 634.0 It - IS1000d D MIO050 3 636.352 637.088 636.37 637.03 Sixteen Euros . 637.03 IS1000d C MIO016 2 637.216 638.4 637.24 638.16 Sixteen Euros sorry . 638.16 IS1000d B MIO082 1 637.456 638.64 637.456 638.61 Okay . 638.61 IS1000d A FIE081 0 638.88 640.144 638.9 640.11 So it's well outside the budget then . 640.11 IS1000d C MIO016 2 640.624 658.98 640.66 658.98 Then it's out of budget . But the the main point we we talk about that with our uh manufacturer . And they say basically that the S_R_ system would be uh something like three Francs per item so three Euros sorry . And um 642.58 647.47 657.45 IS1000d B MIO082 1 642.497 643.216 642.69 643.11 But w - IS1000d D MIO050 3 647.68 648.116 647.7 648.05 Yeah . 648.05 IS1000d D MIO050 3 654.992 655.919 655.01 655.81 Three Euros . 655.81 IS1000d A FIE081 0 658.272 660.4 658.29 660.37 That's on top of the sixteen , or is it part of that ? 659.4 660.37 IS1000d C MIO016 2 660.32 661.6 660.35 661.56 No no no , part of that , yeah . 660.77 661.33 661.56 IS1000d D MIO050 3 661.6 662.256 661.62 662.16 Part of that . 662.16 IS1000d A FIE081 0 662.176 665.104 662.2 665.07 So that takes it down to thirteen Euros without the speech recognition . 665.07 IS1000d C MIO016 2 664.112 665.296 664.13 665.26 Yeah , yeah . 665.03 665.26 IS1000d B MIO082 1 664.858 668.192 664.858 668.192 Mm 'kay . Hmm . 667.65 668.15 IS1000d D MIO050 3 666.112 667.36 666.112 667.33 Yeah . 667.33 IS1000d A FIE081 0 667.968 668.209 667.99 668.13 Mm-hmm . 668.13 IS1000d D MIO050 3 670.176 679.313 670.2 679.313 Well uh if you we can have if you have new more ideas we can add new more uh some more keys if you want to you know - IS1000d B MIO082 1 677.6 678.08 677.64 678.05 Mm-hmm . 678.05 IS1000d C MIO016 2 678.4 685.232 678.42 685.2 Well I think th th yeah we should stick with uh a number of keys because if we add too much then - IS1000d A FIE081 0 682.736 683.024 682.76 682.95 Mm . 682.95 IS1000d D MIO050 3 685.376 687.968 685.4 687.85 Yeah it it should not be cluttering up everything . 687.85 IS1000d B MIO082 1 685.92 687.385 686.04 687.27 Mm-hmm . 687.27 IS1000d C MIO016 2 686.058 686.827 686.08 686.827 it's too - IS1000d A FIE081 0 687.568 688.816 687.59 688.68 What's this one on the side ? 688.68 IS1000d D MIO050 3 689.04 697.088 689.06 697.05 Ah that's for the it's kind of a L_E_D_ for indicating your battery and as well as it's like a blinking one you know you can keep it aside . 697.05 IS1000d C MIO016 2 690.51 692.3 690.71 692.13 Locati . Location . 691.65 692.13 IS1000d A FIE081 0 692.96 693.44 692.98 693.41 Ah okay . 693.41 IS1000d A FIE081 0 695.648 698.96 695.67 698.93 Mm-hmm . Mm 'kay . I like the shape of them , I do like the 696.88 697.68 698.32 IS1000d C MIO016 2 696.064 696.464 696.17 696.43 Yeah . 696.43 IS1000d D MIO050 3 699.851 700.442 699.92 700.19 Yeah . 700.19 IS1000d A FIE081 0 699.885 701.312 700.0 701.28 the size and the the shape . 701.28 IS1000d B MIO082 1 700.08 700.701 700.1 700.701 Well well - IS1000d B MIO082 1 702.672 712.77 702.69 712.77 Mm . Be before ta talking about the money and what's possible and what is not possible , maybe Anna you can uh give our uh give us your um 703.35 707.75 IS1000d A FIE081 0 706.08 706.336 706.11 706.3 Mm-hmm . 706.3 IS1000d A FIE081 0 712.272 715.936 712.29 715.85 Okay . And maybe we run the evaluation on both of the products , both of these two . 712.93 715.05 715.85 IS1000d B MIO082 1 715.888 722.384 716.18 722.3 Yes . Evalua evaluation and also the evaluation criteria , so what what is important to look at . 716.53 719.94 722.3 IS1000d A FIE081 0 720.768 721.536 720.79 721.536 Okay . 721.41 IS1000d A FIE081 0 722.851 731.552 722.95 731.49 Basically this is what we've talked about already , um , from the marketing point of view . We just wanna make sure that we've taken into account Yep . 724.84 726.03 727.34 731.49 IS1000d B MIO082 1 724.976 725.936 725.1 725.73 Mm-hmm . 725.73 IS1000d B MIO082 1 730.368 730.944 730.39 730.91 Well just - IS1000d B MIO082 1 731.952 735.493 731.97 735.17 do it quickly if if we al already . 735.17 IS1000d A FIE081 0 734.496 752.256 734.52 752.256 So it's just a shortlist of criteria on um the things that we've identified as being important to selling the product . Um we just go through these and rate them as a group and then at the end we'll make an evaluation based on that , so just average the score of those items , so 742.27 749.12 751.75 IS1000d B MIO082 1 736.457 737.113 736.59 736.9 Mm-hmm . 736.9 IS1000d A FIE081 0 753.248 776.72 753.248 776.65 These are the things we identified as being important . Um the three things were look and feel , innovation and ease of use , were the three important components um appealing to the correct demographic so using those things in the right way to appeal to our demographic . And then goin following the company motto , following the fashion trends and putting that into the product as well . 757.08 761.04 763.08 771.3 774.04 776.65 IS1000d B MIO082 1 762.992 763.344 763.03 763.29 Mm-hmm . 763.29 IS1000d A FIE081 0 778.208 785.776 778.23 785.25 So well do you wanna go through and put through those on the the two products now or do we wanna discuss them further and then evaluate them ? 785.25 IS1000d B MIO082 1 786.32 791.104 786.34 791.104 Um , n no why not why not discuss uh discuss it now , 787.43 790.93 IS1000d A FIE081 0 790.528 790.928 790.55 790.86 Okay . 790.86 IS1000d A FIE081 0 792.16 796.832 792.18 796.79 So f just go through onto the whiteboard I guess . Not sure how this is gonna come out . 794.04 796.79 IS1000d A FIE081 0 812.708 824.416 813.01 824.416 So the first one was really very far below budget , would you want to take the price down of the end product according to that or just have the high profit on it ? 'Cause if we're only going to make it for eight Euros then we have a 816.05 821.71 IS1000d B MIO082 1 824.88 835.008 825.4 834.91 Mm , well my my personal view is uh w when when this one is eight Euros we must think how can we improve it . 826.47 834.91 IS1000d A FIE081 0 835.472 835.808 835.5 835.76 Mm-hmm . 835.76 IS1000d B MIO082 1 836.64 844.944 836.66 844.91 And then I mean w w w you must just see it we can still spend this four and a half Euro and - IS1000d A FIE081 0 842.624 843.456 843.27 843.42 Mm-hmm . 843.42 IS1000d A FIE081 0 844.864 845.392 844.88 845.12 Yep . 845.12 IS1000d B MIO082 1 846.544 855.088 846.56 855.05 to r because th th th the the selling price is already prite fik uh uh quite fixed on twenty five Euros - IS1000d C MIO016 2 855.152 855.616 855.17 855.57 Mm-hmm . 855.57 IS1000d A FIE081 0 855.936 856.272 855.97 856.24 Mm-hmm . 856.24 IS1000d B MIO082 1 856.272 864.992 856.29 864.95 so we just have to offer as much as as well value for the for the customer uh he can have for twenty five Euro . 864.95 IS1000d C MIO016 2 860.928 862.169 860.97 862.1 Functionality . 862.1 IS1000d A FIE081 0 870.28 872.24 870.36 872.24 Okay so look and feel , innovation 871.49 IS1000d D MIO050 3 880.416 882.912 880.48 882.54 And now it easy to use . 882.54 IS1000d C MIO016 2 883.52 884.56 883.54 884.42 Easy to use . 884.42 IS1000d B MIO082 1 885.344 885.568 885.38 885.52 Mm . 885.52 IS1000d C MIO016 2 891.2 893.744 891.2 893.63 target . 893.63 IS1000d A FIE081 0 893.969 894.384 894.05 894.35 Mm-hmm . 894.35 IS1000d A FIE081 0 901.376 902.816 901.4 902.75 And trends . 902.75 IS1000d A FIE081 0 907.408 913.504 907.5 913.47 Oh , you following the idea of using the um removable covers on these ? Is that part of both of them or ? 907.7 912.31 913.47 IS1000d B MIO082 1 912.032 929.776 912.53 929.74 Um well w w we can still discuss that . So um , and together with evaluating this uh we we might come with new ideas I mean adding things or uh removing uh of options because they are too expensive , but 916.04 917.91 929.56 IS1000d A FIE081 0 915.424 915.888 915.44 915.84 Okay . 915.84 IS1000d A FIE081 0 923.088 923.424 923.11 923.39 Mm-hmm . 923.39 IS1000d A FIE081 0 929.312 929.632 929.34 929.58 Mm-hmm . 929.58 IS1000d B MIO082 1 931.232 931.744 931.25 931.71 um - IS1000d B MIO082 1 933.584 942.464 933.6 942.43 I've received uh a framework which we can do this . I mean did you have this this Excel sheet ? 939.09 942.43 IS1000d A FIE081 0 939.584 939.888 939.62 939.85 Mm-hmm . 939.85 IS1000d C MIO016 2 942.832 943.2 942.85 943.07 No . 943.07 IS1000d D MIO050 3 943.024 943.73 943.15 943.64 No . 943.64 IS1000d B MIO082 1 943.456 960.256 943.48 960.22 No okay , this is these are the the the latest prices of our production uh uh production unit for several components , so we can uh see whether the the price is is within the twelve Euro uh fifty cents uh . 944.1 953.21 960.22 IS1000d A FIE081 0 943.612 944.129 943.71 943.85 No . 943.85 IS1000d A FIE081 0 958.96 960.432 958.99 960.28 Mm-hmm . Okay . 960.01 960.28 IS1000d B MIO082 1 961.584 964.96 961.6 964.96 So maybe we can start with this , uh , calling this one . 963.3 963.53 964.61 IS1000d A FIE081 0 964.144 966.32 964.16 966.27 Okay . Yep . So it's the pink . 964.87 965.57 966.27 IS1000d B MIO082 1 966.24 968.08 966.26 968.03 Th th this is the first design . 968.03 IS1000d A FIE081 0 969.184 970.528 969.2 970.34 And the other one's green . 970.34 IS1000d B MIO082 1 975.184 975.488 975.24 975.43 Yes . 975.43 IS1000d A FIE081 0 975.68 977.04 975.7 976.95 Okay , so look and feel ? 975.99 976.95 IS1000d A FIE081 0 978.144 983.584 978.16 983.55 Where um one is I've broken the pen again . 983.55 IS1000d B MIO082 1 984.304 985.162 984.33 985.13 Uh there is another pen . 985.13 IS1000d A FIE081 0 984.728 994.544 984.75 994.49 S yeah . Get that one . Um w one's bad and seven's the best . Sorry , one's true and seven's false . One's the best . 985.3 986.23 992.19 992.36 993.68 994.49 IS1000d B MIO082 1 995.04 995.6 995.06 995.54 Okay . 995.54 IS1000d A FIE081 0 995.536 1001.248 995.56 1001.08 So on a scale of one to seven ? 1001.08 IS1000d B MIO082 1 995.943 996.381 996.11 996.31 'Kay . 996.31 IS1000d B MIO082 1 996.752 998.912 996.77 998.84 Okay . So . Look and feel . 997.75 998.18 998.84 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1002.112 1005.472 1002.13 1005.33 Well you already feel that uh pretty much I think . 1005.33 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1013.808 1015.392 1013.83 1015.35 In i in my opinion - IS1000d A FIE081 0 1015.312 1016.112 1015.34 1015.9 Mm-hmm . 1015.9 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1016.416 1028.896 1016.44 1028.76 purely feel is is is very good , is very good in your hand , so I I I would consider two or or may maybe even one for feel . But that's just half , we should also consider look , and then 1019.33 1020.67 1025.76 1026.81 1028.4 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1017.504 1019.444 1017.53 1019.15 Mm-hmm , yeah . 1018.93 1019.15 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1021.024 1021.344 1021.04 1021.29 Mm-hmm . 1021.29 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1024.528 1024.848 1024.57 1024.81 Mm-hmm . 1024.81 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1028.192 1028.948 1028.24 1028.77 Mm-hmm . 1028.77 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1031.088 1031.984 1031.11 1031.94 i it looks - IS1000d B MIO082 1 1033.28 1035.328 1033.3 1035.2 quite conventional . 1035.2 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1035.552 1035.936 1035.58 1035.88 Mm . 1035.88 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1037.12 1037.76 1037.14 1037.72 Don't you agree ? 1037.72 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1037.509 1038.446 1037.79 1038.39 Mm yeah . 1038.39 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1038.144 1044.336 1038.39 1044.336 On the scale u it's between functional and fancy basically we're looking at , so 1043.91 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1040.448 1045.616 1040.51 1045.58 So maybe two . Hmm . Hmm . Ma ma ma ma maybe say say five 1042.24 1042.9 1043.01 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1046.816 1049.679 1046.84 1049.62 I It's my opinion , but I don't know what what 1047.75 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1048.768 1062.526 1048.8 1062.49 Well I will give it maybe we have anyways the way we have designed it's like the surf as you say you know . It though the look is fine but uh still I will give four in that case you know . 1057.71 1062.49 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1054.768 1055.136 1054.81 1055.06 Mm-hmm . 1055.06 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1056.24 1056.576 1056.37 1056.54 Yeah . 1056.54 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1062.192 1063.168 1062.21 1063.13 Yeah . Four maybe . 1062.47 1063.13 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1063.088 1063.936 1063.11 1063.9 Four ? Okay . 1063.69 1063.9 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1063.117 1064.54 1063.35 1064.54 Four yeah that - IS1000d B MIO082 1 1063.384 1065.744 1063.42 1065.71 Four , four . Now we th th then we settle on four . 1063.78 1064.09 1065.71 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1065.104 1065.36 1065.13 1065.32 Mm-hmm . 1065.32 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1066.208 1066.576 1066.23 1066.54 Yeah . 1066.54 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1068.576 1069.424 1068.62 1069.39 I will gi yeah . 1069.39 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1073.744 1074.477 1073.78 1074.44 Uh . 1074.44 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1073.756 1075.376 1074.02 1075.376 'Kay . Can you maybe fix the other 1074.13 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1075.68 1079.6 1075.7 1079.6 Yeah . If you press like this not like this then you 1076.61 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1076.432 1076.704 1076.46 1076.67 Mm . 1076.67 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1081.744 1084.272 1081.77 1083.72 No that's the ink's dried . 1083.72 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1082.272 1086.381 1082.29 1086.19 No . C can you get the batteries ? No no the battery has fallen down , that's i 1082.8 1084.21 1085.69 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1085.616 1093.76 1085.64 1093.18 Battery's low , isn't it the ink ? The b that's the that that one ? battery there . 1086.1 1087.45 1091.0 1093.18 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1089.104 1089.391 1089.12 1089.35 Yeah . 1089.35 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1095.264 1095.504 1095.29 1095.504 But - IS1000d D MIO050 3 1096.896 1099.248 1096.92 1099.19 No no it's not that , it's how to close a battery . 1097.97 1099.19 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1100.768 1101.28 1100.83 1101.2 Okay . 1101.2 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1104.24 1106.06 1104.28 1106.01 Okay ? Now it should be . 1104.95 1106.01 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1105.68 1106.064 1105.75 1105.99 Mm . 1105.99 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1108.496 1109.968 1108.52 1109.93 No I think it's lost a battery . 1109.93 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1109.712 1114.416 1109.74 1114.38 Mm , try it , just try it . Oh it will not ri mm , mm . 1110.04 1110.33 1112.01 1114.13 1114.38 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1111.104 1116.352 1111.13 1114.76 No it's It would still write but it wouldn't pick it up with the sensors . 1114.76 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1117.6 1120.16 1117.62 1120.13 Is there another battery there ? Oh yeah . 1119.65 1120.13 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1121.689 1123.012 1121.72 1122.86 You got a second ? 1122.86 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1124.272 1124.752 1124.3 1124.752 Try a - IS1000d A FIE081 0 1125.923 1127.072 1125.95 1126.9 Well we won't be able to tell . 1126.9 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1127.488 1129.936 1127.51 1129.9 Yes , it it has a mm . 1127.86 1129.9 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1134.816 1135.296 1134.84 1135.26 Perfect . 1135.26 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1135.68 1137.184 1135.83 1137.13 Is that working ? 1137.13 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1140.592 1149.776 1140.61 1149.7 Did it come out ? Good . Okay . Because we'll be able to see it still even if it wasn't working , it's just a normal whiteboard marker but it wouldn't be picked up on the the actual whiteboard . 1141.74 1142.46 1143.59 1145.67 1149.7 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1142.576 1143.152 1142.6 1143.11 Good . Good . 1142.96 1143.11 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1146.244 1146.963 1146.38 1146.81 Yeah , yeah . 1146.62 1146.81 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1149.856 1150.128 1149.88 1150.09 Yep . 1150.09 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1150.976 1153.888 1151.0 1153.888 Okay . So then then 1151.93 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1153.543 1155.504 1153.82 1155.44 And the other one ? 1155.44 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1156.88 1157.344 1156.92 1157.31 Wow . 1157.31 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1159.088 1159.392 1159.11 1159.36 Ah . 1159.36 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1159.312 1161.472 1159.33 1161.36 I think it's slightly better , um , 1160.95 1161.36 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1160.704 1161.04 1160.74 1161.0 Mm . 1161.0 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1163.072 1165.248 1163.09 1165.248 it's hard to tell from just the plasticine , but 1164.94 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1163.76 1164.32 1163.78 1164.32 I I - IS1000d B MIO082 1 1165.568 1165.872 1165.59 1165.872 I - IS1000d B MIO082 1 1167.168 1171.104 1167.2 1171.06 When we want to include I I I'm doubting about this this component . 1171.06 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1171.104 1173.872 1171.3 1173.872 It it it it breaks in your - IS1000d A FIE081 0 1171.312 1171.584 1171.35 1171.55 Mm . 1171.55 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1173.792 1174.768 1173.81 1174.768 'Kay maybe - IS1000d D MIO050 3 1174.192 1179.328 1174.23 1179.24 No actually this is this is not going to protrude actually , it it's n i it is jus 1178.29 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1174.368 1174.656 1174.39 1174.62 Mm . 1174.62 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1178.016 1178.368 1178.04 1178.33 Okay . 1178.33 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1179.008 1181.24 1179.03 1181.24 It's not a button it's a led , it's a 1180.45 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1180.432 1183.808 1180.45 1183.808 It's a led actually which which 'll be covering in a curve - IS1000d C MIO016 2 1183.696 1185.632 1183.74 1185.53 Ac actually yeah it should be embedded . 1185.53 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1184.504 1188.241 1184.52 1188.12 Mm , yes I see , mm okay . 1185.95 1187.0 1188.12 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1185.584 1190.4 1185.61 1190.37 It's will be embedded there so it won't be really you know protruding or something . 1190.37 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1186.0 1187.104 1186.02 1187.07 Mm-hmm . Yeah . 1186.93 1187.07 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1186.595 1187.002 1186.66 1186.86 Yeah . 1186.86 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1188.382 1191.424 1188.66 1191.38 Oh you can push push it again , you can push it . 1190.62 1191.38 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1191.392 1198.448 1191.41 1198.41 Yeah . The other thing is , is the left hand one protruding ? 'Cause if people are left handed they want to use the other hand , maybe it won't work so well . 1192.01 1192.69 1194.0 1197.41 1198.41 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1192.005 1192.443 1192.05 1192.3 Yeah . 1192.3 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1194.56 1194.993 1194.59 1194.86 Yeah . 1194.86 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1196.624 1202.864 1196.624 1202.864 Yeah . No you it it not protruding actually , it will go in better into that 1198.96 1201.16 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1202.144 1202.48 1202.18 1202.45 Okay . 1202.45 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1202.784 1203.84 1203.08 1203.8 Well r r - IS1000d A FIE081 0 1204.512 1206.56 1204.53 1206.52 I'd say two or three for that one , personally . 1206.07 1206.52 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1207.344 1208.366 1207.38 1208.05 Mm . 1208.05 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1209.04 1210.272 1209.06 1210.19 Probably more towards three than two . 1210.19 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1211.952 1220.128 1211.97 1220.09 I think the look is better but the feel is is is worse . So so I would also say this is four . But w w do you what do you think ? 1214.53 1218.41 1220.09 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1217.568 1218.112 1217.59 1218.07 Okay . 1218.07 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1220.067 1226.48 1220.1 1226.45 Uh it's fine I think . My just that um the feel is that um 1222.43 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1227.488 1236.624 1227.51 1236.5 you right now you you don't see the feel because right uh for example if you press it quite inside now like this , now it's embedded one . 1234.98 1236.5 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1235.426 1236.113 1235.52 1235.99 Yeah . 1235.99 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1236.656 1238.224 1236.69 1238.11 Mm . Mm . Yes . 1237.16 1237.75 1238.11 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1238.4 1239.854 1238.42 1239.854 This is how embedded one will - IS1000d B MIO082 1 1239.504 1241.344 1239.52 1241.28 Yes , it basically is the same shape . 1239.72 1241.28 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1241.36 1247.046 1241.38 1247.01 Yeah . It's a bas basically the same thing actually . You will be Except that in this c 1241.58 1244.74 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1244.0 1245.377 1244.04 1245.25 Mm-hmm . Mm . 1244.78 1245.25 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1246.496 1248.944 1246.52 1248.85 And the L_C_D_ makes it better . Yeah . 1248.39 1248.85 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1248.352 1252.773 1248.37 1252.773 Yeah . And you might have a slight thing for to forward and 1249.29 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1249.392 1250.372 1249.41 1250.3 Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . 1249.74 1249.95 1250.3 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1249.829 1251.155 1249.92 1251.06 Mm , okay . 1250.71 1251.06 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1251.984 1253.222 1252.0 1253.14 So I will say two . 1253.14 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1252.352 1254.24 1252.37 1254.2 Yeah it's d it's definitely more fancier than that one . 1254.2 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1253.952 1254.743 1253.97 1254.65 Yeah , yeah . 1254.38 1254.65 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1254.352 1255.434 1254.37 1255.38 Yes , okay . 1254.62 1255.38 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1254.992 1256.832 1255.01 1256.38 I would say two , three . 1256.06 1256.38 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1255.952 1256.432 1256.06 1256.4 Okay . 1256.4 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1256.352 1256.624 1256.37 1256.56 Yeah . 1256.56 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1257.632 1260.144 1257.73 1260.09 So , consensus ? Two or three ? Two ? 1258.09 1258.75 1259.82 1260.09 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1259.28 1261.328 1259.3 1261.26 Two ? Mm . Two's good yes . 1259.69 1260.57 1261.26 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1260.352 1260.56 1260.38 1260.52 Yep . 1260.52 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1263.383 1264.89 1263.383 1264.89 looking like - IS1000d A FIE081 0 1264.288 1268.432 1264.59 1268.4 Um , 'kay . Innovation . The first one , not really muc 1265.25 1265.39 1266.83 1267.85 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1267.987 1273.641 1268.01 1273.35 Basically there is no innovation in the first one compared to what exists in the market , right ? 1273.13 1273.35 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1270.16 1270.464 1270.18 1270.43 Mm . 1270.43 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1272.48 1274.032 1272.5 1274.032 Yeah . Do we 1273.63 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1273.024 1279.577 1273.14 1279.577 No but except for the design of the surf . You should be rea 1278.18 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1275.536 1277.968 1275.536 1277.75 Yeah . The surf uh design . 1276.34 1277.75 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1276.336 1276.608 1276.36 1276.57 Mm . 1276.57 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1277.264 1277.875 1277.46 1277.71 Mm . 1277.71 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1277.968 1283.5 1277.99 1283.31 What What features are we actually including ? Are we including like a location kind of thing like trying to find it ? 1279.76 1283.31 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1283.76 1285.744 1283.78 1285.63 Uh no I think it's more of the feel . 1285.63 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1283.5 1285.937 1284.66 1285.65 There's nothing like that ? 1285.65 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1285.937 1289.616 1286.26 1289.58 But th is there any there's no actual innovation in that at all , it's just a straight-out remote control . 1288.23 1289.58 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1288.448 1290.032 1288.47 1289.92 Yeah , yeah . Yeah . 1288.77 1289.64 1289.92 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1289.952 1293.408 1289.97 1293.37 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . The only innova innovation is the shape . 1290.92 1291.46 1293.37 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1290.288 1290.848 1290.32 1290.76 Yeah . 1290.76 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1291.296 1291.681 1291.33 1291.58 Okay . 1291.58 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1293.504 1295.664 1293.52 1295.49 Yeah . 1295.49 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1293.728 1294.912 1293.75 1294.77 Say about that . 1294.77 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1294.464 1302.432 1294.86 1302.33 Okay . So there's no this uh look and feel thing , though that's not a technological innovation . So I'd be up for seven for innovation . 1295.62 1297.28 1299.24 1302.33 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1294.906 1295.68 1294.94 1295.68 S so that - IS1000d C MIO016 2 1298.048 1300.151 1298.07 1300.11 Yeah . You're right . 1298.58 1300.11 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1298.368 1298.688 1298.39 1298.65 Yeah . 1298.65 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1300.976 1301.296 1301.05 1301.26 Yeah . 1301.26 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1306.32 1307.312 1306.34 1307.312 And the - IS1000d C MIO016 2 1309.088 1325.808 1309.11 1325.77 And the second one is really uh state of the art , uh in terms of innovation . And um with many more functionalities , and can open and close the the bottom part . 1313.45 1316.24 1320.88 1325.77 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1312.416 1312.976 1312.44 1312.82 Yep . 1312.82 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1316.016 1316.272 1316.1 1316.15 Mm . 1316.15 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1324.656 1326.72 1324.85 1326.72 Yeah , it gives it 1325.06 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1325.92 1328.608 1325.94 1328.608 Yes . A and the L_C_D_ screen is 1326.57 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1328.912 1329.264 1328.93 1329.15 Yeah . 1329.15 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1329.536 1333.643 1329.6 1333.52 That's that's that's well it's quite innovative . 1333.52 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1332.672 1339.2 1332.69 1339.17 And all the scrolling uh buttons and menu and pro programmable device behind this . 1339.17 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1339.12 1339.376 1339.14 1339.34 Mm . 1339.34 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1340.288 1343.312 1340.39 1343.27 Uh could put it at one or two I would say . 1343.27 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1343.696 1344.256 1343.72 1344.11 Okay . 1344.11 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1343.681 1346.025 1343.77 1345.89 Yeah . Mm . Mm . Mm . Mm . 1344.8 1345.0 1345.39 1345.63 1345.89 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1344.4 1344.864 1344.42 1344.83 Personally . 1344.83 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1344.898 1345.408 1344.97 1345.36 Yep . 1345.36 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1346.8 1349.968 1346.82 1349.93 So what is it , what are the innovations with this ? Got the L_C_D_ screen . 1347.73 1348.83 1349.93 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1349.2 1349.616 1349.24 1349.616 Uh - IS1000d C MIO016 2 1350.752 1352.656 1350.77 1352.4 Yeah automatic speech recognition . 1352.4 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1352.656 1354.752 1352.68 1354.752 Is that in this one though ? Is this 'cause this is the 1353.49 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1355.504 1356.425 1355.6 1356.32 No , we ha 1355.91 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1355.458 1360.224 1355.61 1360.09 Th th there were different options we discussed then , we discussed the one that was in budget and the one that was out of budget . 1357.83 1360.09 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1361.088 1367.344 1361.34 1367.31 We just diske discuss it as you designed it and then we will will try to get it in the budget . 1367.31 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1364.096 1370.288 1364.12 1370.14 Okay . So the cost for these were what was the cost for the first one ? Eight Euros ? 1365.41 1368.69 1370.14 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1364.608 1364.96 1364.63 1364.93 Yeah . 1364.93 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1366.065 1366.615 1366.09 1366.615 So - IS1000d B MIO082 1 1369.183 1369.621 1369.2 1369.41 Eight . 1369.41 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1369.536 1370.048 1369.56 1369.86 Eight . 1369.86 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1371.216 1374.272 1371.24 1374.19 Well actually we have yeah to check again yeah . 1374.19 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1374.304 1375.398 1374.38 1375.36 Yeah , eight Euros yeah . 1374.6 1375.36 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1375.216 1377.328 1375.24 1377.29 And this one was sixteen Euros . 1377.29 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1375.968 1376.51 1375.99 1376.48 Yes . 1376.48 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1376.224 1376.768 1376.24 1376.72 Sixteen . 1376.72 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1376.822 1377.936 1376.91 1377.9 Sixteen Euros . 1377.9 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1382.416 1383.248 1382.44 1383.21 Okay . So . 1382.8 1383.21 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1386.272 1389.68 1386.29 1389.65 Innovation for this one is two ? One ? 1389.28 1389.65 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1389.936 1392.208 1389.96 1391.95 It's a two , I would say two . 1390.62 1391.95 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1391.728 1391.952 1391.75 1391.92 Two ? 1391.92 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1391.76 1402.16 1391.78 1401.9 W W un to be one what would do we nee actually , yeah , I don't see okay , one would would be without buttons , . 1394.96 1395.15 1397.28 1401.9 1401.9 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1391.727 1392.477 1391.91 1392.24 Two . 1392.24 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1396.592 1397.764 1396.62 1397.73 Why it is one . 1397.73 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1401.424 1402.24 1401.45 1402.21 A man w w - IS1000d A FIE081 0 1402.16 1407.152 1402.19 1407.15 Mm . Well the speech recognition is a very good innovation I believe it , so 1403.19 1405.88 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1402.544 1403.072 1402.63 1402.96 Yeah . 1402.96 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1403.131 1403.584 1403.22 1403.48 Yes . 1403.48 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1403.163 1403.757 1403.36 1403.62 Bu - IS1000d C MIO016 2 1405.6 1407.441 1405.62 1407.33 Yeah . So maybe we can put one . 1406.24 1407.33 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1406.96 1409.072 1407.09 1409.03 This this is it w with the speech recognition ? 1409.03 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1409.424 1411.137 1409.44 1410.85 It's using speech recognition , yeah . 1410.69 1410.85 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1410.4 1411.191 1410.42 1411.03 Okay yeah . 1411.03 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1410.816 1416.4 1410.84 1416.36 Well . Gi given that that it works , then it's I think one . 1411.57 1414.53 1416.36 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1412.736 1414.608 1412.76 1414.47 Give it a one ? Yep . 1414.01 1414.47 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1412.372 1413.952 1412.89 1413.91 Yeah , one , yeah . 1413.07 1413.67 1413.91 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1417.104 1419.264 1417.15 1419.22 Okay . Ease of use ? 1418.34 1419.22 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1418.768 1420.896 1418.768 1420.896 Uh - IS1000d C MIO016 2 1420.816 1427.104 1420.88 1427.06 So the first one is really standard , so everybody i including our grandmothers can use it , right ? 1422.99 1426.96 1427.06 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1423.392 1423.696 1423.41 1423.66 Mm . 1423.66 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1424.577 1426.074 1424.71 1425.84 He is used to it act - IS1000d A FIE081 0 1425.952 1426.496 1425.97 1426.45 Yeah . 1426.45 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1426.464 1426.688 1426.5 1426.65 Mm . 1426.65 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1427.2 1428.8 1427.23 1428.77 They are used to it actually . 1428.77 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1428.16 1431.219 1428.18 1431.1 Yep . So that's maybe a a two for ease of use . 1428.87 1431.1 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1430.752 1431.12 1430.77 1431.01 Yeah . 1431.01 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1431.472 1433.568 1431.49 1433.568 Here there may - IS1000d C MIO016 2 1433.776 1438.736 1433.8 1438.68 Um , the other one is quite easy , tho though . 1435.6 1437.86 1438.68 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1438.944 1446.078 1439.49 1445.95 Uh , though it has more functionality I think it shouldn't be for the user to learn it actually . It shouldn't be diffi 1439.56 1445.21 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1443.072 1443.624 1443.09 1443.45 Okay . 1443.45 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1444.85 1445.376 1444.96 1445.32 Hmm . 1445.32 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1445.36 1447.712 1445.38 1447.67 So maybe a three or a four . 1447.67 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1447.632 1453.12 1447.65 1453.12 Uh yeah , actually in fact I think it will be Yeah 1448.38 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1452.656 1458.128 1452.7 1458.09 One me um we hope maybe sometimes people get uh scared with the number of buttons . 1458.09 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1458.272 1458.544 1458.29 1458.51 Mm . 1458.51 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1458.464 1460.064 1458.48 1459.88 Yeah but y - IS1000d C MIO016 2 1459.28 1463.369 1459.4 1463.24 And there is a like I would say three . Or maybe four . 1461.95 1463.24 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1463.04 1463.36 1463.08 1463.31 Okay . 1463.31 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1464.415 1468.864 1464.52 1468.83 Well we have reduced the keys actually you see . Three is fine with me . 1467.73 1468.83 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1464.64 1466.272 1464.66 1466.21 Consensus ? Three or four ? 1465.67 1466.21 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1466.864 1468.592 1466.88 1468.56 Three , I would . Three . 1467.17 1468.29 1468.56 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1467.562 1473.888 1467.83 1473.888 Yeah , yeah because it's n uh it's not like a big one with uh one hundred buttons or so , 1468.38 1473.67 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1468.154 1468.997 1468.17 1468.82 Three ? Okay . 1468.58 1468.82 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1472.912 1480.192 1472.94 1480.16 Yeah it's a actually the user has to put some effort to do use that actually , it's not so easy , like this one the normal . 1477.4 1478.72 1480.16 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1473.631 1474.1 1473.82 1473.99 No . 1473.99 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1476.928 1477.264 1476.96 1477.23 Mm-hmm . 1477.23 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1478.08 1478.792 1478.12 1478.62 Yeah . 1478.62 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1480.112 1484.608 1480.27 1484.56 Yes but then when when he is used to it , i i it is quite easy . 1483.36 1484.56 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1484.528 1487.888 1484.55 1487.85 Is quite easy yeah . Initially there there is a lot of effort , yeah . 1485.55 1487.65 1487.85 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1485.217 1487.367 1485.34 1487.27 So so I think th three is good . Yeah . 1487.14 1487.27 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1487.216 1487.712 1487.4 1487.63 Okay . 1487.63 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1488.352 1489.446 1488.37 1489.32 Good . What's the next ? 1488.63 1489.32 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1488.773 1492.677 1488.91 1492.33 So three's uh how well it goes to the target demographic . 1492.33 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1492.896 1493.168 1492.92 1493.13 Mm . 1493.13 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1492.677 1495.861 1493.05 1495.861 So we're d we're still thinking twenty to forty year olds ? That's 1495.43 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1492.938 1493.504 1493.23 1493.504 So - IS1000d B MIO082 1 1494.696 1496.288 1494.82 1496.288 Twe twenty to forty , yes that's 1495.83 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1496.208 1499.296 1496.25 1499.13 This one would be uh for grandmothers . 1499.13 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1498.64 1498.992 1498.66 1498.94 Mm . 1498.94 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1499.216 1504.096 1499.57 1504.04 Oh no , this would I I would I would give this model to the old people actually . Yeah . 1499.85 1503.78 1504.04 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1500.802 1501.271 1500.82 1501.07 No . 1501.07 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1502.832 1503.84 1502.86 1503.8 Yeah , grandmothers , yeah . 1503.18 1503.66 1503.8 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1504.592 1504.976 1504.62 1504.89 Mm-hmm . 1504.89 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1504.896 1508.926 1504.92 1508.82 So sh completely changed our demographic there , it's not part of the the funky young thing . 1507.08 1508.82 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1505.088 1505.344 1505.16 1505.344 And - IS1000d B MIO082 1 1508.544 1514.336 1508.56 1514.336 Well exce except for the surfing shape . I mean that's that's something which which has an appeal on this group I think , but 1510.49 1514.21 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1509.088 1510.184 1509.22 1510.12 Yeah that's true . 1510.12 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1511.152 1511.44 1511.17 1511.41 Yeah . 1511.41 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1512.048 1512.48 1512.07 1512.42 Yeah . 1512.42 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1514.256 1525.488 1514.28 1525.45 If it was the very bottom price range or it was like between this and another one we did the same thing then I can imagine it being applying to the the demographic yeah . That's it's still Ye 1523.18 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1514.907 1515.345 1515.01 1515.23 Yeah . 1515.23 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1523.504 1530.974 1523.53 1530.82 Mm w w w we after this we can can consider uh for instance , making this more attractive to to the demographic 1527.82 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1530.032 1533.968 1530.06 1533.92 Mm . 'Cause we have got room , we've got some budget there to add a few things to it , that's right . 1530.5 1531.15 1533.49 1533.92 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1532.416 1532.672 1532.45 1532.62 Mm . 1532.62 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1534.032 1536.176 1534.05 1536.12 But as it is now , I w would say 1534.81 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1537.168 1538.992 1537.19 1538.96 mm , six , something . 1537.63 1538.62 1538.96 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1538.928 1539.232 1538.96 1539.2 Yeah . 1539.2 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1539.44 1540.059 1539.47 1539.69 Mm-hmm . 1539.69 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1542.528 1544.458 1542.55 1544.32 Oh yeah , . 1544.32 1544.32 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1543.776 1544.336 1543.81 1544.3 Do you agree ? 1544.3 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1544.048 1544.944 1544.07 1544.944 And - IS1000d D MIO050 3 1545.168 1546.576 1545.22 1546.576 I Well I think - IS1000d C MIO016 2 1546.064 1559.536 1546.08 1559.5 Yeah because it's so important it's i it was written that it really so important , the um the the look and uh taking care of its it targets , the right range of people , right ? 1549.99 1555.77 1559.33 1559.5 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1559.024 1565.2 1559.47 1565.17 Yeah . Uh yeah but but if you sell it in the market it's going to be cheap , actually . 1560.41 1564.66 1565.17 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1559.472 1559.744 1559.5 1559.71 Mm . 1559.71 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1565.216 1566.659 1565.25 1566.46 Yeah . But w 1565.85 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1565.984 1568.896 1566.0 1568.86 But it's going to be cheap whatever though , it was set with i we've got a set price . 1567.12 1568.86 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1565.886 1566.448 1566.16 1566.448 So - IS1000d D MIO050 3 1567.696 1571.312 1567.72 1571.27 And people can still decide to use the cheaper one - IS1000d C MIO016 2 1572.032 1572.416 1572.05 1572.3 Yeah . 1572.3 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1572.816 1573.808 1572.84 1573.808 instead of a - IS1000d C MIO016 2 1573.744 1578.32 1573.77 1578.28 But for us it's yeah we have a constraint that we need to sell at twenty five Euros . 1578.28 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1577.631 1579.805 1577.68 1579.74 Mm , yeah , indeed . Th t t 1578.59 1579.01 1579.42 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1578.32 1582.432 1578.35 1582.36 Yeah . There's nothing that would make me spend an extra k few Euros on that one rather than another one . 1578.99 1582.36 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1581.195 1581.758 1581.31 1581.61 Yeah . 1581.61 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1581.436 1585.168 1581.7 1585.13 Ju just think , twenty five Euros , I mean it's not going to be cheaper . 1582.63 1583.62 1585.13 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1584.08 1584.448 1584.1 1584.41 Okay . 1584.41 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1585.856 1588.759 1585.88 1588.66 Okay . So in that case well it's fine then . We can yeah . 1586.22 1587.94 1588.66 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1586.291 1586.72 1586.35 1586.69 Yeah . 1586.69 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1588.112 1589.152 1588.14 1589.11 Mm . Mm . Okay . 1588.47 1588.75 1589.11 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1588.272 1591.952 1588.29 1591.92 Okay . Um and the demokraphi demographic of the second one ? 1589.42 1591.92 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1592.512 1593.856 1592.54 1593.856 And the demographics of - IS1000d A FIE081 0 1593.36 1596.395 1593.38 1596.395 It's got the got the the toys in it , it's got the L_C_D_ screen and 1594.82 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1595.216 1600.992 1595.24 1600.91 Yeah tha tha tha tha tha that's I think it's better , because of the L_C_D_ screen which is really an appeal on the on the on the 1597.24 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1597.536 1597.744 1597.56 1597.71 Mm . 1597.71 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1601.856 1602.192 1601.88 1602.16 Yeah . 1602.16 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1602.272 1603.808 1602.29 1603.808 on the and on the - IS1000d C MIO016 2 1603.728 1614.608 1603.75 1614.49 Yeah . And if you want to target yeah if we we wish to to sell four millions of this , I think for this audience we need absolutely the L_C_D_ screen . 1604.27 1610.69 1614.49 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1614.624 1614.928 1614.65 1614.88 Mm-hmm . 1614.88 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1615.2 1619.952 1615.23 1619.952 Mm . So , the L_C_D_ screen uh attracts , yes . Because it 1615.59 1616.42 1619.04 1619.52 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1618.864 1623.664 1618.88 1623.63 Yeah . I think especially if we're gonna n have an L_C_D_ screen on a low range product then that's good . 1619.57 1623.63 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1623.712 1624.016 1623.73 1623.95 Yeah . 1623.95 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1624.08 1627.568 1624.11 1627.51 Mm , ma maybe that's something to consider , yes , so . 1624.23 1626.62 1627.14 1627.51 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1626.064 1628.464 1626.1 1628.13 Mm . Okay . 1626.96 1628.13 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1628.672 1630.293 1628.72 1630.293 Wh what what - IS1000d A FIE081 0 1631.024 1632.832 1631.04 1632.8 I'd probably go with three again for that one . 1632.8 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1632.896 1636.706 1632.92 1636.57 Yeah I think it's uh it has more market actually . 1636.57 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1634.224 1634.864 1634.24 1634.864 Or even - IS1000d C MIO016 2 1636.112 1637.168 1636.13 1637.03 Even one and two . 1637.03 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1637.168 1637.472 1637.2 1637.39 Mm-hmm . 1637.39 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1637.664 1639.44 1637.77 1639.39 Y yeah , you know two . 1638.31 1639.39 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1637.666 1640.248 1637.96 1639.97 No s say t two . Two ? 1639.76 1639.97 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1638.354 1639.135 1638.45 1638.96 Or two . 1638.96 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1638.64 1640.134 1638.67 1639.98 Okay . So , two , yeah ? 1639.2 1639.51 1639.85 1639.98 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1639.92 1640.64 1639.94 1640.47 Yeah . Two yeah . 1640.1 1640.47 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1640.368 1653.616 1640.39 1653.616 Yeah two yeah . Because tomorrow this will be more appealing because you can add lot of sophistication on that . Because then you you have it uh d you have lot of things which you can include for the people to 1641.45 1648.0 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1647.056 1647.36 1647.09 1647.31 Mm-hmm . 1647.31 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1650.939 1651.439 1651.07 1651.29 Yeah . 1651.29 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1652.72 1660.112 1652.74 1659.71 Yep . And especially I guess 'cause this has the speech recognition as well , and that makes it more appealing , it's more of a a new fun toy . 1653.56 1656.32 1657.58 1659.71 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1661.634 1666.24 1661.67 1666.24 We have to practically test it . The field test will tell you how good . 1663.4 1666.2 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1663.68 1663.92 1663.7 1663.89 Mm-hmm . 1663.89 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1664.704 1664.944 1664.72 1664.91 Yeah . 1664.91 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1665.728 1666.048 1665.75 1666.0 Okay . 1666.0 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1666.235 1668.671 1666.26 1668.49 Okay , the final point , trends . 1666.57 1668.29 1668.49 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1667.536 1673.36 1667.64 1673.32 And following the trends . So the trends were the fruit and vegetables and the spongy feel . 1669.12 1673.32 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1667.936 1668.919 1667.96 1668.83 The trends . 1668.83 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1673.792 1675.262 1673.82 1675.262 Mm . Mm . 1674.17 1675.04 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1674.864 1677.568 1674.88 1677.53 So as it is , not really doing either of them . 1676.2 1677.53 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1678.576 1679.024 1678.65 1679.024 I think - IS1000d C MIO016 2 1679.392 1680.336 1679.41 1680.27 Spongy , 1680.27 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1681.664 1684.736 1681.68 1684.736 uh , that means that it goes in in the water . 1682.28 1684.36 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1684.848 1685.167 1684.87 1685.12 Mm-hmm . 1685.12 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1685.04 1700.496 1685.06 1700.45 Well , the spongy could be part of the the feel of the buttons as well , I know some have you tried the mobile phones that have got the kinda spongy buttons and not not exactly spongy but I'm thinking one of the Nokias that's got like you ca it hasn't got individual buttons it's got just a one bit on it and so you can that feels kinda spongy . 1685.29 1687.48 1700.45 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1692.448 1693.254 1692.47 1693.15 Uh okay . 1693.15 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1696.752 1697.136 1696.77 1697.1 Mm . 1697.1 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1697.456 1698.548 1697.55 1698.44 Yeah I know . 1698.44 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1701.088 1704.4 1701.16 1704.37 But this one includes this feature , right ? Spongy buttons . 1702.71 1703.38 1704.37 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1704.688 1708.224 1704.71 1708.11 Yeah . We we we we we yeah , it's the way they are going to be , actually . 1705.12 1706.34 1707.76 1708.11 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1705.168 1706.016 1705.19 1705.98 So it's sort of , yeah . 1705.77 1705.98 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1707.232 1708.72 1707.26 1708.66 Mm . Okay . 1708.26 1708.66 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1707.475 1708.37 1707.61 1708.37 So - IS1000d B MIO082 1 1708.768 1709.216 1708.8 1709.16 Mm . 1709.16 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1709.136 1715.053 1709.18 1714.77 Uh the maybe in the colour we can make it uh fruit and and veggie . 1714.77 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1715.248 1717.76 1715.27 1717.76 But that's if you're using the covers . Or is it just one 1717.11 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1716.384 1723.616 1716.4 1723.58 And the then we can al yes . We can we can consider uh uh is it possible do you think , to to make a cover 1718.38 1722.16 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1716.703 1717.172 1716.72 1717.02 Yeah . 1717.02 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1724.463 1726.032 1724.55 1726.032 for s such a phone ? I mean 1725.71 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1726.816 1729.296 1726.84 1729.25 Well they make it for mobiles , it can't be that much more complicated . 1727.76 1729.25 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1728.496 1731.92 1728.52 1731.89 But why do you want to cover that actually ? In that uh w in the mod 1730.35 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1731.464 1734.016 1731.62 1734.016 Well just with the with the flexible plastic uh - IS1000d A FIE081 0 1735.04 1737.525 1735.06 1737.46 So you got the option of having different colours or different textures . 1737.46 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1736.592 1738.176 1736.62 1738.12 Yeah . This is possible . 1737.24 1738.12 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1738.452 1739.536 1738.47 1739.536 I th I th I think - IS1000d D MIO050 3 1738.448 1741.136 1738.47 1740.99 Uh uh y are you sure ? 1740.99 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1744.013 1747.648 1744.15 1747.61 Yeah I think yeah it should be possible like what we do with the mobile phone , yeah . 1747.34 1747.61 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1746.688 1750.528 1746.71 1750.48 O o or just two things which can be put on each other . 1750.48 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1750.88 1751.664 1750.91 1751.664 Mm . 1751.59 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1751.072 1753.408 1751.13 1753.24 Yeah exactly like Nokia phones . 1753.24 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1752.816 1753.136 1752.85 1753.04 Mm . 1753.04 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1753.472 1757.168 1753.472 1757.11 Yes , exactly like it . Uh , so 1754.5 1756.03 1756.73 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1754.464 1754.896 1754.48 1754.83 Yep . 1754.83 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1758.672 1773.456 1758.69 1773.38 Maybe we can but we have to decide it , we can put the the the fancy f look of vegetables for instance , to to these covers and s now try to invest in the in in the features . 1762.17 1768.4 1773.38 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1768.144 1768.496 1768.19 1768.44 Mm-hmm . 1768.44 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1773.408 1786.144 1773.43 1786.1 I think the if we do the cover that's really going with the company's philosophy of having the fashion in in electronics , it lets people have the latest fashion even next year when fruit and vegetables might be out , you'll still be able to put a new cover on it and then it'll still be in fashion . 1779.62 1783.65 1786.1 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1779.566 1780.035 1779.69 1779.97 Mm . 1779.97 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1784.424 1785.831 1784.72 1785.55 Mm mm mm mm mm . 1785.55 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1785.36 1785.568 1785.38 1785.49 Yeah . 1785.49 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1786.608 1812.16 1786.63 1812.13 'Cause sometimes look at this computer , th this laptop , it's all black , and uh it's quite conventional , and sometimes people don't like too much flashy colours like this one presented here . So maybe we could do like in the range the set of what we propose a black one , very standard one , that meets the the requirements of th such people that want really standard uh things . 1788.61 1789.31 1790.98 1793.3 1798.59 1805.27 1806.8 1812.13 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1790.512 1790.832 1790.54 1790.79 Mm . 1790.79 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1796.288 1796.624 1796.32 1796.55 Mm . 1796.55 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1797.968 1798.272 1798.0 1798.22 Mm . 1798.22 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1802.736 1803.056 1802.77 1803.01 Mm . 1803.01 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1804.627 1804.934 1804.7 1804.89 Yep . 1804.89 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1804.992 1805.616 1805.02 1805.57 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 1805.37 1805.57 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1806.496 1806.832 1806.52 1806.7 Yep . 1806.7 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1811.488 1811.792 1811.52 1811.75 Mm . 1811.75 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1812.352 1812.768 1812.38 1812.73 Mm . Mm . 1812.61 1812.73 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1813.184 1816.176 1813.26 1816.14 And then you have the option of having the different colours , different covers . 1815.51 1816.14 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1815.136 1821.552 1815.16 1821.52 Yes . So so so that that would make the trends equal , so we we we really have don't have , 1815.53 1818.21 1821.52 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1815.712 1815.968 1815.73 1815.93 Yeah . 1815.93 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1820.784 1827.808 1820.82 1827.77 Mm . There's n yeah . 'Cause that's the that's the feature that could be included in either of them . Although it is more with the spongy buttons on the um 1821.19 1822.77 1825.74 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1822.784 1823.104 1822.8 1823.104 I mean - IS1000d B MIO082 1 1825.328 1825.568 1825.36 1825.52 Mm . 1825.52 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1828.544 1833.622 1828.65 1833.37 Yeah , so a a point better for the for the number two . 1828.93 1833.37 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1828.553 1829.674 1828.69 1829.44 Yes , indeed . 1829.15 1829.44 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1828.896 1829.36 1828.92 1829.32 on the other one . 1829.32 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1831.376 1834.88 1831.4 1834.74 Okay . So . Two and three , or one and two ? 1831.74 1833.55 1834.07 1834.74 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1835.45 1836.044 1835.57 1835.96 Yes . 1835.96 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1837.184 1839.248 1837.2 1839.21 Yeah , it's one . 1837.5 1839.21 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1837.92 1839.808 1837.94 1839.77 Say , say one and two . One and two . 1838.11 1838.72 1839.77 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1838.992 1840.096 1839.01 1839.93 Mm-hmm . 1839.93 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1840.496 1840.931 1840.55 1840.81 Okay . 1840.81 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1841.984 1846.576 1842.16 1846.54 So le le let's see . So d this one has spongy but buttons ? 1843.62 1846.54 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1844.691 1845.222 1844.81 1845.12 Okay . 1845.12 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1847.312 1848.08 1847.33 1848.08 Yeah , it says a 1847.51 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1847.568 1848.944 1847.59 1848.89 Yeah , the blue one uh spongy . 1847.81 1848.89 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1849.152 1851.63 1849.18 1851.54 Mm , I see , yes okay . Good . 1849.74 1850.32 1851.35 1851.54 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1850.864 1852.512 1850.89 1852.42 Okay so the average of that is - IS1000d A FIE081 0 1853.872 1859.28 1853.89 1859.28 three six nine divided by five , so five 1857.31 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1858.208 1863.193 1858.23 1863.13 Just add it . You know . Three , six , seven . 1859.56 1860.79 1861.25 1862.24 1863.13 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1858.992 1859.408 1859.01 1859.34 Nine . 1859.34 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1860.272 1862.486 1860.35 1862.486 One point six , one point 1861.66 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1860.4 1860.759 1860.45 1860.72 mm - IS1000d A FIE081 0 1861.84 1863.824 1861.87 1863.68 nine by five , one point s eight ? 1862.66 1863.68 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1863.904 1864.912 1863.92 1864.86 One point eight yeah . 1864.86 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1868.628 1874.592 1868.67 1874.47 This one , eleven thirteen nineteen twenty one , divided by five is four point two yep . 1869.76 1872.9 1874.47 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1872.656 1873.327 1872.68 1873.327 Four point - IS1000d D MIO050 3 1874.384 1875.328 1874.4 1875.27 Uh four point two . 1875.27 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1876.16 1876.832 1876.19 1876.79 Very good . 1876.79 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1877.312 1881.84 1877.38 1881.8 Okay . But we still got a very different price for those two so they're not really comparable yet anyway . 1878.24 1881.8 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1880.368 1880.775 1880.39 1880.74 Mm-hmm . 1880.74 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1881.84 1884.144 1881.87 1884.11 We we must try to get them closer . 1884.11 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1882.384 1884.081 1882.41 1883.82 Yeah , it's right , yeah that's right . 1882.55 1883.1 1883.82 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1883.184 1884.624 1883.184 1883.99 Yep . 1883.99 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1885.344 1899.323 1885.38 1899.05 Both in i i or we just have to choose . And adapt . Because , when we choose for this one we have to we have to make it more attractive and w when we to d for this one we have to make it more cheap . 1888.63 1890.15 1890.66 1899.05 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1885.488 1886.016 1885.51 1885.98 Wow . 1885.98 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1890.384 1890.72 1890.4 1890.6 Yep . 1890.6 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1895.152 1895.488 1895.23 1895.44 Mm-hmm . 1895.44 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1898.88 1904.736 1898.9 1904.66 Well it's easier to just make that one cheaper by just taking the speech recognition out . That'll basically take us down to the budget . 1902.31 1904.66 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1903.312 1903.92 1903.33 1903.92 Yes , well 1903.7 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1904.912 1908.992 1904.912 1908.96 But I'm now did y did you work with the same prices that I have here ? 1908.96 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1910.816 1929.024 1911.01 1928.97 So I I give yeah I just give a call with the manufacturer uh and uh I explained them and they told me this could be possible for sixteen Fr Euros . Uh unfortunately we didn't see this chip , uh Matthew , so maybe we have to recap with this one . 1920.82 1924.51 1926.14 1928.97 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1918.192 1918.656 1918.21 1918.62 Mm . 1918.62 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1924.096 1924.976 1924.15 1924.94 Yeah . Yep . 1924.63 1924.94 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1925.928 1926.961 1926.01 1926.79 Mm , tha 1926.58 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1930.128 1932.768 1930.15 1932.66 Maybe we ought to reconsider everything with this , yeah . 1932.36 1932.66 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1933.168 1946.72 1933.19 1946.72 Well yes , well uh re reconsider it . So let's let's try to to model this this phone in this sheet , uh what kind of energy source uh I I we didn't speak about that . It's a it's a normal battery , or 1933.87 1935.02 1940.65 1945.15 1946.4 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1938.848 1939.586 1938.91 1939.53 Mm-hmm . 1939.53 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1947.984 1958.16 1948.0 1958.13 Yeah , it migh It it'll need uh more than a conventional one , it won't be uh just maybe you might use a A_A_ battery actually . 1948.25 1953.06 1958.13 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1959.392 1961.024 1959.41 1960.93 What do you say , Mael ? 1960.65 1960.93 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1961.169 1963.424 1961.27 1963.28 For this one it's a normal battery . 1963.28 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1962.928 1965.776 1962.95 1965.72 Yes . Just so one battery . 'Kay . 1963.37 1965.45 1965.72 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1966.768 1971.952 1966.81 1971.92 Electronics . given speech recognition I think w you should go for the less fancy chip . 1968.22 1971.92 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1972.592 1973.024 1972.71 1972.98 Yeah . 1972.98 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1973.68 1975.648 1973.7 1975.61 Uh sample speaker , yeah . 1975.36 1975.61 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1974.64 1977.04 1974.66 1976.99 Yeah , yes , or sample sensor , yes . 1975.58 1975.82 1976.75 1976.99 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1977.136 1978.56 1977.22 1978.43 Sample , yeah , this one . 1977.75 1978.08 1978.43 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1978.592 1981.072 1978.61 1981.04 Yes , this one . Okay . Case ? 1978.9 1979.37 1980.6 1981.04 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1982.416 1983.792 1982.44 1983.55 Um , 1983.55 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1983.632 1985.04 1983.87 1985.04 So - IS1000d D MIO050 3 1985.6 1988.288 1985.62 1988.288 Curved . Double curved yeah right . It's uh 1986.36 1987.87 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1987.641 1989.191 1987.641 1989.03 I see I - IS1000d B MIO082 1 1990.128 1990.848 1990.15 1990.77 Double curve . 1990.77 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1990.137 1990.699 1990.29 1990.5 Mm . 1990.5 IS1000d A FIE081 0 1992.192 1994.576 1992.21 1994.45 Yeah , it's gonna be more than just the biggest case , definitely . 1992.38 1993.91 1994.45 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1994.768 1996.208 1994.79 1996.06 So which one are we talking to ? 1996.06 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1994.702 1995.265 1994.9 1995.21 Mm . 1995.21 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1996.672 1998.064 1996.69 1997.9 Are you talking about this or that ? 1997.9 IS1000d C MIO016 2 1997.664 1997.968 1997.68 1997.968 Well - IS1000d A FIE081 0 1998.704 1999.344 1998.72 1999.29 Either of them . 1999.29 IS1000d B MIO082 1 1998.816 2003.12 1998.84 2003.08 Oh yes , we are talking about , but they have the same shape , but , actually bu 1999.26 2000.34 2001.55 2002.67 IS1000d D MIO050 3 1999.872 2000.24 1999.89 2000.2 Mm-hmm . 2000.2 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2001.76 2004.56 2001.78 2004.53 Mm . They're both going to be not basic cases . 2002.77 2004.53 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2002.224 2002.608 2002.26 2002.57 Yeah . 2002.57 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2005.12 2007.712 2005.14 2007.68 So th th this would be double curves ? 2007.68 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2007.76 2008.048 2007.8 2008.01 Mm-hmm . 2008.01 IS1000d D MIO050 3 2008.432 2008.8 2008.45 2008.74 Yeah . 2008.74 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2009.648 2010.0 2009.67 2009.97 'Kay . 2009.97 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2012.144 2014.608 2012.16 2014.56 Uh , plastic would be the material . 2012.45 2014.56 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2013.104 2014.862 2013.12 2014.66 Yeah . The basic one , yep . 2013.55 2014.53 2014.66 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2015.712 2016.864 2015.73 2016.864 Is it zero Franc ? 2016.73 IS1000d D MIO050 3 2017.488 2020.336 2017.51 2020.336 A special colour ? 2020.03 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2020.656 2023.2 2020.7 2023.12 Uh special colour , now we leave it to the covers . 2021.97 2023.12 IS1000d D MIO050 3 2024.496 2025.36 2024.69 2025.36 Uh - IS1000d A FIE081 0 2025.312 2028.64 2025.33 2028.58 So now we're either going button or L_C_D_s , L_C_D_ display . 2027.93 2028.58 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2026.432 2026.832 2026.45 2026.74 Push . 2026.74 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2029.312 2029.904 2029.35 2029.904 Mm , yes , but 2029.61 2029.78 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2030.048 2034.071 2030.07 2033.76 L_C_D_ is . It's okay . Just say L_C_D_ . 2031.9 2032.57 2033.76 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2034.768 2037.36 2034.79 2037.32 Is that price per unit , or for the whole 2036.54 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2038.16 2041.696 2038.18 2041.66 Yeah th now this is per per unit , this number of components . 2040.37 2041.66 IS1000d D MIO050 3 2038.272 2038.726 2038.29 2038.6 Ah good . 2038.6 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2038.281 2038.777 2038.46 2038.69 thing ? 2038.69 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2040.176 2042.668 2040.34 2042.56 So it would need twelve buttons . 2042.56 IS1000d D MIO050 3 2041.584 2044.528 2041.84 2044.44 Yeah , we might need a scroll wheel , right , for that ? 2042.09 2043.58 2043.86 2044.44 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2044.509 2046.183 2044.55 2046.12 No but for this one it's twelve Euro . 2046.12 IS1000d D MIO050 3 2045.856 2047.04 2045.88 2046.98 No , for that one also . 2046.04 2046.98 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2047.627 2048.496 2047.97 2048.46 There are twelve ? 2048.46 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2048.576 2053.026 2048.6 2052.59 So , one , two , three , four , five , six , seven , eight , nine , t 2049.65 2050.01 2050.35 2050.64 2050.93 2051.24 2051.48 2051.69 2052.01 2052.52 IS1000d D MIO050 3 2049.024 2050.16 2049.2 2050.07 Yeah that's a scroll . 2050.07 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2057.392 2058.752 2057.41 2058.72 Yes . Twelve I believe . 2057.9 2058.72 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2060.484 2062.208 2060.61 2062.09 So this comes to eighteen . 2062.09 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2062.416 2065.12 2062.45 2065.08 Mm . And that's without any special button supplements . 2062.87 2065.08 IS1000d D MIO050 3 2066.176 2068.336 2066.2 2068.2 Yeah , one scroll wheel you might need . 2066.39 2068.2 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2068.256 2070.112 2068.88 2070.112 So - IS1000d A FIE081 0 2070.08 2074.608 2070.1 2074.57 So we'd have a special colour , special form and special material on all of them . They're not just standard buttons . 2071.15 2073.49 2074.57 IS1000d D MIO050 3 2073.808 2075.12 2073.83 2075.12 Uh - IS1000d B MIO082 1 2076.4 2079.678 2076.43 2079.6 So I think but th do you agree th that thi - IS1000d C MIO016 2 2078.391 2084.688 2078.43 2084.29 Wait a minute , it's not it's not double curved , it's single curved , right ? Because it's there is no like . 2078.86 2080.37 2081.2 2081.71 2084.29 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2085.533 2086.439 2085.69 2086.35 Yes I - IS1000d A FIE081 0 2085.728 2090.304 2085.75 2090.27 But I thought it would be curved on two it's like it's curved on the sides and curved on the top and bottom as well , that's what I thought . 2089.76 2090.27 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2089.232 2091.147 2089.25 2090.96 Yes I'm I'm no I'm no I'm not sh - IS1000d B MIO082 1 2091.516 2092.128 2091.73 2092.08 sure . 2092.08 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2093.36 2100.576 2093.38 2100.45 Well it's you know this curve like this so , it's w there is only 2098.42 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2094.448 2096.8 2094.47 2096.77 Yes I kno undes I understand what you mean , yes . 2096.3 2096.77 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2101.744 2108.96 2101.82 2108.96 is is is there is nothing like y you know in the other stuff there are yeah concave . So I think we can put um 2107.38 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2105.04 2106.895 2105.06 2106.86 You talking about concave curves ? 2106.86 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2105.307 2106.026 2105.51 2105.9 Uh-huh . 2105.9 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2107.408 2107.876 2107.52 2107.7 Both . 2107.7 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2109.296 2110.728 2109.32 2110.61 You think a single curved ? 2110.61 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2109.911 2111.952 2109.911 2111.91 the single curved in the sixteen . 2111.91 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2113.104 2122.416 2113.13 2122.416 That makes uh seventeen . And what are just The bt buttons , we have twelve buttons , are you sure ? Yeah . 2116.52 2118.91 2120.11 2120.67 2122.27 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2121.392 2121.68 2121.42 2121.63 Mm . 2121.63 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2120.912 2122.912 2121.77 2122.912 Yes . 2122.7 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2122.912 2123.54 2123.1 2123.54 Uh - IS1000d A FIE081 0 2123.104 2126.178 2123.12 2126.178 We have more , we've got those the scroll wheel on the side and yeah 2123.48 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2124.226 2126.56 2124.34 2126.42 So I had a bad uh - IS1000d D MIO050 3 2126.576 2127.76 2126.69 2127.72 Bad estimate , right ? 2127.55 2127.72 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2127.248 2135.44 2127.27 2135.41 W d we have we haven't talk about a , but that's no a is very exp inexpensive I believe but it is not in the list . 2130.34 2135.41 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2127.552 2128.56 2127.57 2128.36 The sc - IS1000d C MIO016 2 2127.856 2128.752 2127.9 2128.68 bad estimation . 2128.68 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2133.68 2133.968 2133.71 2133.93 Mm . 2133.93 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2136.848 2140.656 2136.91 2140.57 We've got a scroll wheel for the volume don't we , or is it some other thing that's not on there . 2138.98 2140.57 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2140.464 2149.916 2140.48 2149.916 W ho h is this a scroll wheel or is this a a a sort of button which can be pressed on two sides uh so for higher and lower ? 2149.37 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2143.552 2143.952 2143.58 2143.92 No no no . 2143.92 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2149.568 2152.192 2149.59 2152.11 'Kay we've only got five minutes left guys so we need to wrap it up pretty fast . 2152.11 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2153.392 2154.848 2153.41 2154.64 Yes , a kind of scroll wheel . 2153.8 2154.64 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2162.016 2163.328 2162.04 2163.29 So this is even more than the um - IS1000d B MIO082 1 2164.064 2166.517 2164.1 2166.1 Mm . Mm-hmm . 2165.75 2166.1 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2164.352 2165.872 2164.37 2165.84 than the cost you gave , the sixteen Euros . 2165.12 2165.84 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2170.864 2178.8 2170.88 2178.8 Okay , so based on that , yeah , um where is the es okay sample speaker 2171.44 2172.71 2173.89 IS1000d D MIO050 3 2179.04 2181.648 2179.12 2181.59 That is the sample sensor and sample speaker . 2181.59 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2182.432 2184.176 2182.77 2184.176 So um - IS1000d C MIO016 2 2184.656 2186.786 2184.68 2186.79 But still , yeah it 2185.63 IS1000d D MIO050 3 2186.224 2188.4 2186.25 2188.36 We just need that actually . 2188.36 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2189.44 2189.936 2189.5 2189.936 We're - IS1000d D MIO050 3 2191.264 2191.984 2191.29 2191.95 We need one . 2191.95 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2198.176 2198.384 2198.2 2198.384 We - IS1000d B MIO082 1 2199.488 2207.12 2199.53 2207.08 We could go for the for the for the for the for a simple chip , but then we can't have the the speech recognition , yes ? Yes ? 2203.73 2206.24 2206.75 2207.08 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2208.08 2210.448 2208.1 2210.448 No we cannot , yeah . So 2208.64 2209.99 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2209.555 2214.272 2209.64 2214.22 So so w when we w a this would this would be cutting the speech recognition . 2214.22 IS1000d D MIO050 3 2209.957 2210.55 2210.02 2210.37 S - IS1000d C MIO016 2 2211.504 2213.024 2211.55 2213.024 But the um - IS1000d C MIO016 2 2214.672 2228.144 2214.81 2228.11 Yeah but if you have the near the L_C_D_ you can um choose select between um you know like uni universal between audio , T_V_ and V_C_R_ , and this needs a needs a advanced chip . 2224.07 2225.66 2228.11 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2228.813 2229.674 2228.96 2229.55 Transti - IS1000d C MIO016 2 2229.568 2230.936 2229.61 2230.82 Right , Matthew ? 2230.1 2230.82 IS1000d D MIO050 3 2230.208 2232.204 2230.23 2232.204 Oh I i it - IS1000d C MIO016 2 2231.68 2232.544 2231.7 2232.51 Or regular chip ? 2232.51 IS1000d D MIO050 3 2233.317 2237.92 2233.34 2237.89 I think it's going to be y y yeah it's th with the regular chip , yeah . 2237.7 2237.89 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2234.016 2237.637 2234.04 2237.5 I think yeah regular , today we you can do that with regular chip . 2235.2 2237.5 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2236.534 2241.008 2236.6 2241.008 Say say it's regular , regular chip , and we still on fifteen , so 2238.84 2239.64 2240.74 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2238.16 2240.032 2238.18 2240.0 Yeah . Okay . Okay . 2238.52 2239.58 2240.0 IS1000d D MIO050 3 2240.016 2240.32 2240.04 2240.29 Yeah . 2240.29 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2241.312 2245.792 2241.34 2245.792 So . And what about the number of buttons buttons uh 2243.03 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2245.632 2246.976 2245.69 2246.976 Yes but that maybe - IS1000d C MIO016 2 2247.328 2249.968 2247.328 2249.9 my Matthew ? 2249.9 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2248.096 2249.44 2248.13 2249.41 Well we can just say - IS1000d D MIO050 3 2250.496 2251.232 2250.52 2251.232 Uh - IS1000d B MIO082 1 2254.448 2254.784 2254.47 2254.75 one . 2254.75 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2254.816 2259.584 2255.18 2259.584 When you look at this w , this u uh item , 2256.17 2259.55 IS1000d D MIO050 3 2260.032 2260.624 2260.05 2260.56 Yeah . 2260.56 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2260.976 2270.032 2262.36 2270.0 Ca l we are just when we just want to uh to cut the number of buttons we have to make seven to to fit in in twelve twelve fifty . 2270.0 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2263.166 2264.025 2263.43 2264.025 But - IS1000d B MIO082 1 2271.024 2271.936 2271.04 2271.9 So is it possible ? 2271.9 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2272.928 2278.736 2272.928 2278.7 But that's seven basic buttons right , seven buttons without any adds-on , without special colours or form or material . 2274.57 2276.5 2278.7 IS1000d D MIO050 3 2278.8 2283.12 2278.91 2283.08 That'll be then we have uh have to ask the user to press it several times . 2283.08 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2279.104 2279.376 2279.13 2279.34 Mm-hmm . 2279.34 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2282.64 2288.4 2282.66 2288.4 You cannot make a phone to your boss saying twelve fifty is really - IS1000d B MIO082 1 2288.496 2291.216 2288.87 2290.88 No no , he he he I I 2289.51 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2289.584 2290.496 2289.6 2290.45 really low , no ? 2290.15 2290.45 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2289.76 2290.0 2289.78 2290.0 Well - IS1000d A FIE081 0 2291.52 2296.448 2291.54 2296.41 So the L_C_D_ display is is three Francs , sorry three Euros , by itself . 2294.47 2295.79 2296.41 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2295.584 2295.888 2295.62 2295.85 Mm-hmm . 2295.85 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2296.4 2303.504 2296.48 2303.47 And uh we don't want to to change that right ? We we really want a L_C_D_ other otherwise we w wouldn not get the market . 2299.54 2303.47 IS1000d D MIO050 3 2299.514 2300.23 2299.71 2300.23 Uh - IS1000d B MIO082 1 2301.136 2301.456 2301.17 2301.42 Mm-hmm . 2301.42 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2303.632 2309.6 2303.74 2309.56 Otherwise y you ha you have a s ve very normal uh thing like this . 2309.56 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2304.348 2305.392 2304.56 2305.36 It's evident . 2305.36 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2309.728 2310.048 2309.76 2310.01 Yeah . 2310.01 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2309.917 2310.304 2310.02 2310.26 Mm . 2310.26 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2312.192 2321.776 2312.21 2321.73 So twelve Euro fifty , we got two off of the battery , we can't do anything about that , so ten fifty , if we want an L_C_D_ dispra display , that's seven fifty 2314.49 2315.76 2317.28 2318.27 2320.62 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2312.8 2314.096 2312.97 2314.096 And I dunno - IS1000d A FIE081 0 2322.96 2327.376 2323.03 2327.34 um , so we've got seven fifty to use for the case and for the buttons . 2323.62 2327.34 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2329.28 2329.504 2329.31 2329.44 Mm . 2329.44 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2330.016 2332.736 2330.04 2332.7 And the chip . Sorry the chip's up there already . 2330.51 2332.7 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2333.728 2335.584 2333.76 2335.34 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 2334.08 2335.34 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2335.6 2338.56 2335.62 2338.53 So we're gonna have to scale this down to get within budget , there's no doubt about that . 2337.69 2338.53 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2341.472 2342.096 2341.472 2341.95 A - IS1000d C MIO016 2 2342.576 2350.832 2342.61 2350.832 So wha what what each of us think about the because it's measure point the L_C_D_ , um 2349.53 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2352.08 2353.424 2352.19 2353.39 Do you think it's important ? 2353.39 IS1000d D MIO050 3 2353.52 2356.602 2353.54 2356.47 Or we could even replace them by buttons actually . 2356.47 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2355.952 2364.176 2355.97 2364.12 Because sometimes whe when you watch the T_V_ in fact , you have a big display and maybe you don't need one more in your hands ? I dunno , I'm just asking . 2358.43 2362.14 2362.52 2364.12 IS1000d D MIO050 3 2362.816 2377.995 2362.87 2377.88 A actually it depends , it depends what kind of functionalities you want to add into it , for example if you add two more functionalities then better you add two more buttons , or and you'll have L_C_D_ display which is that is going to bring the cost by two two Euros at least . 2364.26 2367.48 2371.31 2377.88 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2363.168 2363.696 2363.19 2363.696 Mm - IS1000d A FIE081 0 2363.392 2363.584 2363.41 2363.55 Mm . 2363.55 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2367.216 2367.584 2367.24 2367.46 Yep . 2367.46 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2371.968 2372.208 2372.01 2372.17 Mm . 2372.17 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2373.632 2374.0 2373.65 2373.9 Yeah . 2373.9 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2376.249 2381.36 2376.27 2381.31 I think , unless we can really drive these prices down we need to get rid of the L_C_D_ display . 2377.55 2381.31 IS1000d D MIO050 3 2381.488 2386.193 2381.73 2386.15 Okay so we can get rid of it and then add a couple of buttons . 2386.15 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2382.474 2383.44 2382.58 2383.38 Yeah , it's true yeah . 2382.78 2383.38 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2384.332 2386.448 2384.35 2386.38 But uh , do we want that ? 2385.78 2386.38 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2388.32 2395.011 2388.34 2394.51 On the market point of view , yeah . What do you think uh , L_C_D_ is a major feature , or ? 2389.36 2389.9 2391.01 2394.15 2394.51 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2393.76 2395.52 2393.79 2395.49 Mm . I 2395.35 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2395.44 2401.264 2395.46 2401.17 For the price , it's gonna be what we can afford , and it's looking like we can't afford the L_C_D_ display , there's no way we can get it in there . 2396.37 2397.95 2400.09 2401.17 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2402.796 2408.224 2402.96 2408.16 I think we have to come to a decision now , just I I think we we what we just do i is vote 2405.1 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2403.088 2404.928 2403.088 2404.89 Mm . 2404.89 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2409.456 2412.176 2409.55 2412.176 about the uh the L_C_D_ uh display so - IS1000d A FIE081 0 2410.768 2411.04 2410.79 2411.01 Mm-hmm . 2411.01 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2412.56 2415.904 2412.58 2415.86 You assume , you want a democratic voyt vote , right ? Okay . 2413.29 2415.11 2415.56 2415.86 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2415.008 2423.84 2415.15 2423.81 Yes . Yes . Yes . One man one vote . S so who thinks the the L_C_D_ disply display should be i should be in it ? 2416.18 2416.4 2417.53 2419.16 2423.81 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2417.392 2417.696 2417.44 2417.66 Okay . 2417.66 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2425.44 2428.4 2425.53 2428.36 I th I'd like t it to be in but I can't see it happening . I can't see it fitting in . 2427.61 2428.36 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2427.68 2431.365 2427.7 2431.365 Mm . Mm-hmm mm-hmm . 2428.38 2430.94 IS1000d D MIO050 3 2428.944 2429.856 2428.98 2429.856 I think but - IS1000d C MIO016 2 2429.776 2431.808 2429.776 2431.808 We need to be . 2431.63 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2430.345 2433.52 2430.36 2433.49 Bu y you're a power voter uh veto anyway as Project Manager . 2433.49 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2432.912 2434.258 2432.95 2434.258 Mm-hmm , I know , but 2433.4 2434.01 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2433.824 2435.152 2433.98 2435.03 Yeah . . 2435.03 2435.03 IS1000d D MIO050 3 2434.944 2440.08 2435.08 2439.95 Yeah but the only thing is that what is the multiple functionalities you want to include with that . 2439.95 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2440.848 2443.212 2440.848 2443.1 well we have to make a decision now , that's it . 2442.56 2443.1 IS1000d D MIO050 3 2442.688 2443.103 2442.71 2442.92 Yeah . 2442.92 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2442.848 2455.088 2442.87 2455.088 Yes . So uh uh having an L_C_D_ s display is just uh uh have very very limited amount of buttons . Is that acceptable ? Ca can I have can the functions be implement in an 2443.56 2451.3 2452.16 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2456.432 2456.784 2456.49 2456.75 Yes . 2456.75 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2457.648 2459.392 2457.67 2459.36 You've you you agree . 2459.36 IS1000d D MIO050 3 2460.048 2461.663 2460.07 2461.663 W I I I just - IS1000d B MIO082 1 2460.811 2463.376 2460.92 2463.34 So hav hav having seven buttons , instead of twelve . 2462.58 2463.34 IS1000d D MIO050 3 2463.68 2464.256 2463.7 2464.22 Yeah . 2464.22 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2464.608 2469.392 2464.69 2469.27 So that wou would be cutting cutting suh say about these buttons . 2469.27 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2468.896 2484.192 2468.92 2484.14 Because one yeah th show me that uh actually we could in fact we move these three buttons and have three uh possibilities for each of the three here . Here one , at the middle , and at the 2481.89 2482.59 2483.38 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2481.264 2481.52 2481.29 2481.46 Mm . 2481.46 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2485.168 2488.02 2485.2 2487.91 Mm . I think then we we're really losing ease of use . 2485.58 2487.91 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2485.44 2485.898 2485.46 2485.74 bottom . 2485.74 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2488.112 2489.229 2488.19 2488.88 Okay , . 2488.88 2488.88 IS1000d D MIO050 3 2488.576 2492.432 2488.66 2492.37 That will create another problem . For the people to use it . 2491.11 2492.37 IS1000d D MIO050 3 2493.488 2494.752 2493.51 2494.68 It's not going to be easy . 2494.68 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2495.152 2495.488 2495.17 2495.45 Okay . 2495.45 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2495.248 2495.744 2495.27 2495.67 Okay . 2495.67 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2494.848 2502.368 2495.49 2502.33 Mm . So um I I think we should we should cut the L_C_D_ screen . That that's that's my opinion . 2496.05 2500.97 2502.33 IS1000d D MIO050 3 2495.824 2496.192 2495.85 2496.12 Doing that . 2496.12 IS1000d D MIO050 3 2502.336 2506.096 2502.37 2506.06 No , it's okay , you uh cut the L_C_D_ screen and introduce two more buttons . 2502.62 2503.15 2506.06 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2503.49 2503.958 2503.62 2503.958 Just - IS1000d A FIE081 0 2507.183 2510.368 2507.23 2510.368 Okay . So L_C_D_'s out , is speech rec out now ? We've 2508.15 2509.26 2510.15 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2510.992 2513.264 2511.01 2512.83 The speech recognition is out . 2512.83 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2512.72 2512.928 2512.74 2512.89 Yep . 2512.89 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2513.504 2515.264 2513.64 2515.264 Uh where , L_C_ 2514.66 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2514.784 2516.08 2514.93 2516.0 Because of the budget , yeah . 2515.88 2516.0 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2516.064 2516.256 2516.08 2516.22 Yep . 2516.22 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2516.752 2520.22 2516.77 2520.22 Okay w we now we can just uh - IS1000d A FIE081 0 2519.84 2527.28 2519.86 2527.25 So are we basically back to the original one now , back to the first version ? Which turns out to be on budget exactly , pretty much . 2522.16 2523.9 2526.63 2527.25 IS1000d D MIO050 3 2527.392 2528.0 2527.46 2527.9 Yeah . 2527.9 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2528.448 2532.544 2528.47 2532.5 With these new costings . So just look at forget that one and look at that one now . 2530.21 2532.5 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2529.664 2530.064 2529.69 2530.03 Yes . 2530.03 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2532.64 2538.272 2532.66 2538.23 Yes . Yes . I th I th I think w we just go for this one and that that now twelve Euros is the 2533.2 2533.55 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2532.8 2533.04 2532.82 2533.01 Yeah . 2533.01 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2535.952 2536.272 2536.01 2536.22 Mm . 2536.22 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2539.2 2539.424 2539.22 2539.39 Yep . 2539.39 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2539.376 2546.221 2539.65 2545.99 is is the price , okay . My m my supervisor will be glad that it's fifty cents cheaper than he expected . 2540.32 2541.54 2545.99 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2541.456 2542.352 2541.5 2542.352 Okay . Well that's that's 2541.89 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2544.416 2544.688 2544.44 2544.65 Yep . 2544.65 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2544.992 2553.136 2545.01 2553.09 Actually yeah , we we we will not need the really uh expert designers um because the amount , yeah . 2545.72 2552.73 2553.09 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2545.888 2546.224 2545.91 2546.19 So . 2546.19 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2550.048 2550.416 2550.07 2550.37 Mm . 2550.37 IS1000d D MIO050 3 2550.56 2550.832 2550.58 2550.8 Yeah . 2550.8 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2553.12 2562.032 2553.14 2561.94 Yep . So w we can go back and l talk to the suppliers maybe and see if we can drive the prices down to add a few more things in but that's all we can do with the restrictions we have at the moment . 2553.68 2561.94 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2553.632 2554.048 2553.65 2554.01 Okay . 2554.01 IS1000d B MIO082 1 2562.448 2568.256 2562.47 2566.31 Okay , good . Then we the same . Thank you . That was it . 2562.79 2563.48 2564.94 2566.01 2568.02 IS1000d D MIO050 3 2565.28 2567.424 2565.3 2567.36 Okay . That's it . 2566.9 2567.36 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2566.592 2566.848 2566.62 2566.8 Mm-hmm . 2566.8 IS1000d C MIO016 2 2567.184 2569.84 2567.184 2569.42 Thanks . 2569.42 IS1000d D MIO050 3 2568.528 2569.184 2568.55 2568.97 Cool . 2568.97 IS1000d A FIE081 0 2571.184 2571.552 2571.2 2571.51 Okay . 2571.51 IS1001a B MIO012 1 14.304 17.6 14.48 17.37 How do you wear this thing ? 17.37 IS1001a A MIO043 0 20.717 22.452 21.01 22.42 Hmm . Mm mm mm . 22.01 22.42 IS1001a B MIO012 1 31.904 33.12 31.94 33.06 Not too many cables and stuff . 33.06 IS1001a B MIO012 1 62.992 67.369 63.09 67.369 Original . 66.99 IS1001a A MIO043 0 78.72 91.344 78.74 91.29 Is recorded ? Okay ? Okay so welcome everyone . So we are here for the kickoff meeting of uh the process of designing a new remote control . 79.52 81.96 84.52 91.29 IS1001a A MIO043 0 93.024 109.824 93.04 109.72 So I will first start with a warm welcome opening stuff , then uh we will uh see what will be uh our product and what will be the different step we will have to design it . 100.72 109.72 IS1001a A MIO043 0 111.184 125.344 111.2 125.24 And uh then we will uh discuss if we have few ideas and we will uh end uh by uh dispatching the different task you will be you will have to fulfil to complete this process . 125.24 IS1001a A MIO043 0 126.896 127.744 126.97 127.744 So - IS1001a B MIO012 1 127.808 136.512 127.83 136.512 Uh . Just one thing . Uh , you said twenty-five minutes , but I have something else to do uh , so gotta have another meeting uh soon , so maybe you could hurry up a bit 128.26 128.92 129.01 130.11 132.36 134.9 IS1001a A MIO043 0 137.04 138.8 137.04 138.76 sorry ? 138.76 IS1001a B MIO012 1 138.437 141.984 138.51 141.984 It's true . I have another meeting so if you could uh 139.11 IS1001a A MIO043 0 142.384 143.584 142.4 143.53 You have another meeting soon ? 143.53 IS1001a B MIO012 1 143.504 143.92 143.56 143.88 Yeah . 143.88 IS1001a A MIO043 0 144.592 145.584 144.61 145.55 So you have to be quick . 145.55 IS1001a B MIO012 1 145.632 147.632 145.71 147.6 Yeah , for the lawnmower project . 145.99 147.6 IS1001a A MIO043 0 148.272 163.728 148.29 163.54 Okay . So the the goal is to have a remote control so to have an advantage over our competitors we have to be original , we have to be trendy and we have to also try to be user-friendly . 149.79 158.83 163.54 IS1001a B MIO012 1 148.96 149.344 149.03 149.31 Okay . 149.31 IS1001a A MIO043 0 166.08 174.416 166.1 174.38 So uh the design step will be divided in three uh main points . First it will be the functional design . 171.72 174.38 IS1001a A MIO043 0 175.744 189.877 175.76 189.29 Third is the conceptual design and then is the desired design . So the functional design is to identify the main user needs , the technical function the remote control should fulfil . 180.1 184.86 189.29 IS1001a A MIO043 0 189.877 205.776 190.42 205.58 And then we will move to f conceptual design where we'll specify the different component involved , what kind of user interf interface we want and what are the different uh trend in user interface and stuff like that . 197.28 205.58 IS1001a A MIO043 0 205.776 217.168 205.97 217.09 And then the desired devi design will consist in uh specifically implementing and detailing the choice we've uh made in the second point . 217.09 IS1001a A MIO043 0 220.784 234.16 220.8 234.13 So I will now ask you which is very important for the design of a new remote control for to uh each of us to to draw uh your favourite animal on the white board . 234.13 IS1001a B MIO012 1 234.384 235.728 234.384 235.69 What an original idea . 235.69 IS1001a A MIO043 0 238.096 242.856 238.12 242.856 Do you have any idea of which animal you want to show us ? 242.28 IS1001a B MIO012 1 242.464 243.376 242.6 243.3 Orangutan . 243.3 IS1001a A MIO043 0 244.064 250.8 244.08 250.8 Okay that's good . n n 248.99 IS1001a C MIO020 2 248.24 249.18 248.33 249.12 No no n - IS1001a B MIO012 1 249.984 254.224 250.06 253.97 Can I give you the no ? But I don't have to say anything . 251.97 253.97 IS1001a A MIO043 0 251.721 252.524 251.81 252.524 You should - IS1001a B MIO012 1 255.872 259.36 255.93 258.97 When I'm drawing the orangutan . 258.97 IS1001a A MIO043 0 258.672 267.296 258.76 266.99 If you want to react uh about this wonderful drawing uh I'll let you uh comment . 266.99 IS1001a B MIO012 1 269.792 272.0 270.06 271.89 It's an abstract drawing of an orangutan . 271.89 IS1001a A MIO043 0 272.032 273.76 272.05 273.73 Okay it's an abstract drawing . 273.73 IS1001a B MIO012 1 273.526 274.163 273.71 274.12 Yes . 274.12 IS1001a A MIO043 0 277.392 281.104 277.41 281.104 I think it's nice and original . 280.99 IS1001a C MIO020 2 279.42 283.92 279.42 283.92 You should write y the name I think . 283.77 IS1001a B MIO012 1 282.256 287.88 282.28 287.88 I don't have a red colour . Usually orangutans have red hair so this is a very important but I don't have red pen , so 284.01 287.73 IS1001a A MIO043 0 288.096 288.544 288.12 288.49 Okay . 288.49 IS1001a B MIO012 1 288.711 289.616 288.711 289.31 Yes . 289.31 IS1001a A MIO043 0 289.664 293.44 289.68 293.44 You want to draw something Christine ? 293.22 IS1001a D FIO074 3 299.008 311.312 300.26 310.68 Okay uh sorry . You have to imagine a little bit um . 306.01 310.68 IS1001a D FIO074 3 312.64 314.48 312.66 314.48 This - IS1001a A MIO043 0 318.144 324.356 318.16 324.356 Of course your animal is recorded so it's not lost . 324.01 IS1001a D FIO074 3 320.384 329.504 320.384 329.2 Sorry too uh . 329.2 IS1001a B MIO012 1 322.24 323.12 322.27 323.05 Yes . I know . 322.6 323.05 IS1001a A MIO043 0 343.808 344.816 343.85 344.816 Is this uh - IS1001a B MIO012 1 343.792 346.276 343.95 346.18 Wha what is this strange beast ? 346.18 IS1001a D FIO074 3 344.209 349.584 344.59 349.584 Is it beautiful ? 349.18 IS1001a B MIO012 1 348.535 350.197 348.86 349.8 Is it a monster ? 349.8 IS1001a D FIO074 3 350.976 354.72 351.0 354.72 Do you know ? It's a cat . Isn't it ? 351.9 353.56 354.68 IS1001a B MIO012 1 352.612 353.499 352.77 353.33 It's a cat ? 353.33 IS1001a B MIO012 1 354.32 355.904 354.34 355.79 I thought these things did not exist . 355.79 IS1001a D FIO074 3 355.84 369.232 355.84 368.95 Yes yes is it like that . Is it better ? Okay . It's my cat . Yeah . The name is Caramel . 358.83 361.93 362.92 365.95 367.49 368.95 IS1001a C MIO020 2 356.472 361.271 356.61 361.22 Me Ah yeah . Yeah . 360.83 361.22 IS1001a B MIO012 1 359.148 361.379 359.3 361.379 Ah yeah - IS1001a A MIO043 0 360.256 362.864 360.31 362.864 Ah okay it's pretty . 362.54 IS1001a A MIO043 0 363.265 367.392 363.265 367.392 Okay it's your cat . 367.16 IS1001a B MIO012 1 365.712 366.576 365.81 366.53 Does have a name ? 366.53 IS1001a B MIO012 1 369.408 370.593 369.43 370.38 Caramel . Ah-ha . 370.04 370.38 IS1001a C MIO020 2 369.883 379.36 369.91 379.36 Caramel . And you I think I'm too short for the cables . 372.34 377.24 IS1001a D FIO074 3 369.935 371.168 370.18 371.168 Yeah . 370.9 IS1001a A MIO043 0 370.912 375.21 370.93 375.21 Okay . Olivier , do you want to 372.21 372.73 IS1001a A MIO043 0 375.67 381.482 375.67 381.45 Okay I go , but next time you'll do something I'm sure . 378.63 381.45 IS1001a B MIO012 1 383.172 385.142 383.55 384.95 Next time I concentrate . 384.95 IS1001a A MIO043 0 383.904 397.712 383.904 397.43 I'm a bit short on cable . Okay . So what could I draw ? Maybe I can draw like 390.54 391.46 393.86 IS1001a A MIO043 0 399.744 406.144 400.89 406.144 a very simplified cow . I don't know if it looks like a cow 402.68 IS1001a B MIO012 1 406.147 407.616 406.27 407.53 He looks like a bong . 407.53 IS1001a A MIO043 0 407.536 410.487 408.37 410.487 Like a what ? 410.1 IS1001a B MIO012 1 409.472 411.744 409.49 411.58 Okay . Sorry . No . 409.9 411.32 411.58 IS1001a C MIO020 2 412.48 413.376 412.5 413.34 Quite squarey . 413.34 IS1001a B MIO012 1 414.44 415.123 414.52 415.07 Scary ? 415.07 IS1001a A MIO043 0 415.186 428.96 415.186 428.93 I dunno it it looks more like a donkey in fact I would say . Okay so I hope that it helps you uh in the process of designing a remote control . 423.47 428.93 IS1001a C MIO020 2 415.488 418.62 415.57 418.62 He also . 417.55 IS1001a B MIO012 1 422.592 424.8 422.592 424.8 I I think we will be finished this uh - IS1001a C MIO020 2 422.72 423.593 422.78 423.51 Mm . 423.51 IS1001a B MIO012 1 427.872 431.6 427.89 431.54 Is it for uh for putting a for logos , no . 431.33 431.54 IS1001a A MIO043 0 431.808 434.352 431.808 434.3 Okay . 434.3 IS1001a B MIO012 1 432.992 433.872 432.992 433.872 That's - IS1001a A MIO043 0 435.632 437.776 435.65 437.776 Let's move on . So 436.68 IS1001a A MIO043 0 438.783 460.752 438.86 460.72 Here the uh financial objective of our project . That is to say to to have a production cost lower than twelve point five Euros and have a selling price of twice that price t in order to target a profe profit of uh fifty uh million Euros . 444.1 460.72 IS1001a B MIO012 1 460.96 463.168 460.98 463.01 I is there a matter for a new remote control ? 463.01 IS1001a A MIO043 0 463.984 472.09 463.984 471.81 Yeah if it's trendy , original I d fulfil the user needs . 467.3 471.81 IS1001a B MIO012 1 470.576 475.024 470.6 474.99 Is it uh a single device remote control or is it a multi-device remote control ? 474.99 IS1001a A MIO043 0 474.992 488.144 475.01 488.07 We have to discuss that point . On yeah you you can suggest points like this . So what what so we have to decide for example if it can control one device or multiple . 476.74 480.71 488.07 IS1001a B MIO012 1 476.194 477.712 476.24 477.66 Ah this is not defined at all ? 477.66 IS1001a B MIO012 1 480.308 481.488 480.4 481.44 Ah , okay . 481.02 481.44 IS1001a A MIO043 0 491.312 498.288 491.33 498.22 So what's what are your ideas about that ? Maybe I can have the your opinion from the marketing side ? 495.18 498.22 IS1001a B MIO012 1 496.474 498.268 496.64 498.23 Well uh do we sell other stuff ? 498.23 IS1001a B MIO012 1 498.992 508.128 499.15 508.09 Uh if if we bundle the remote control with something uh to sell then it could be a single device , otherwise it could be programmable one otherwise who would buy a remote control from us . 504.06 508.09 IS1001a A MIO043 0 509.2 515.04 509.22 515.01 Okay , so if it selled uh by its own i it it would rather be for multiple device . 509.57 515.01 IS1001a B MIO012 1 515.456 515.824 515.48 515.79 Yeah . 515.79 IS1001a A MIO043 0 516.48 517.488 516.48 517.45 Do you agree ? 517.45 IS1001a C MIO020 2 518.048 518.496 518.07 518.43 Mm-hmm . 518.43 IS1001a A MIO043 0 518.864 524.512 518.9 524.38 Yeah . So maybe it should be for multiple devices . 519.5 524.38 IS1001a A MIO043 0 526.832 538.912 526.85 538.87 And uh do you have any ideas um of uh design ideas or any uh uh technical requirement we we should uh fulfil ? 538.87 IS1001a C MIO020 2 540.4 544.384 540.4 544.384 I think we shouldn't have too many b for my part . I think 543.93 IS1001a B MIO012 1 542.868 546.864 543.03 546.82 No , I couldn I cannot fi think of any requirements right now . 543.92 546.82 IS1001a C MIO020 2 547.616 550.535 547.68 550.41 If we don't have so many buttons could be nice . 550.41 IS1001a A MIO043 0 549.272 559.344 549.272 559.29 Few buttons . Okay . And do you have it also to be to be lighted in order to be used in the dark ? Might be a good idea . 551.41 552.63 558.39 559.29 IS1001a C MIO020 2 560.288 560.976 560.288 560.94 Yeah . 560.94 IS1001a A MIO043 0 565.152 575.744 565.18 575.67 Okay . And do you have any um any uh idea of the trend the trend in domain , what it shouldn't it should look like , or things like that ? 565.94 572.63 574.7 575.67 IS1001a C MIO020 2 577.7 583.168 577.74 583.13 Something which is not squarey maybe uh , not a box . 582.35 583.13 IS1001a B MIO012 1 577.969 578.857 578.37 578.58 Mm . 578.58 IS1001a A MIO043 0 582.128 586.0 582.15 585.93 With rou okay . Like for okay . 584.7 585.93 IS1001a B MIO012 1 585.504 587.472 585.59 587.42 Something like that , least fits in your hand . 586.29 587.42 IS1001a C MIO020 2 587.792 588.329 587.92 588.14 Yeah . 588.14 IS1001a B MIO012 1 587.96 590.923 587.96 590.77 Yeah . The basic requirement . 589.69 590.77 IS1001a A MIO043 0 587.967 588.512 587.99 588.48 Okay . 588.48 IS1001a A MIO043 0 590.467 593.424 590.53 593.39 So . Fit in your hand , yeah . 592.04 593.06 593.39 IS1001a B MIO012 1 595.648 596.688 595.648 596.63 Only a buck . 596.63 IS1001a A MIO043 0 597.408 603.344 597.43 603.344 And also it have , i it may be it may be important for the remote control to be uh 598.41 IS1001a A MIO043 0 604.656 620.112 604.68 619.99 To , to resist to various shocks that can happen if it fall . Water-proof as well . Maybe it is original because you can uh use it in your uh in your bath whereas the others can't . 605.44 610.5 613.13 619.99 IS1001a C MIO020 2 607.52 607.952 607.55 607.91 Mm-hmm . 607.91 IS1001a B MIO012 1 608.8 610.543 608.82 610.543 Waterproof . 609.69 IS1001a C MIO020 2 612.016 614.76 612.016 614.76 And I think we should have a device - IS1001a A MIO043 0 621.312 623.68 621.33 623.65 Maybe water-proof would be very original . 623.65 IS1001a C MIO020 2 623.744 625.216 623.88 625.216 Sorry . 624.98 IS1001a A MIO043 0 624.816 630.0 624.84 629.94 Havin having a water-proof remote control so that the people can uh use it in their bath . 629.94 IS1001a B MIO012 1 630.224 630.736 630.25 630.63 Mm . 630.63 IS1001a A MIO043 0 631.264 632.144 631.29 632.144 That could be uh - IS1001a B MIO012 1 631.227 639.376 631.52 639.1 B it seems uh so , but uh if you don't have an waterproof remote control it means you can just cover it with some plastic and you can sort of f 632.43 IS1001a A MIO043 0 638.336 646.246 638.36 646.246 Yeah but , it is still something uh you have to buy and that is um not maybe very 639.36 IS1001a B MIO012 1 644.016 655.6 644.04 655.47 And , and that's one of the that's one of the shock I mean there are people that have a remote control and they are worried that it's going to break and they put some extra plastic around it . That's people they actually do it themselves . 644.61 652.87 655.47 IS1001a A MIO043 0 652.384 653.168 652.4 653.13 Yeah , mayb 652.96 IS1001a A MIO043 0 654.007 654.319 654.07 654.19 B - IS1001a A MIO043 0 655.632 663.737 655.67 663.7 But maybe we can bulk it with uh already this plastic thing and uh the waterproof uh stuff as well . 663.7 IS1001a C MIO020 2 659.904 660.191 659.92 660.11 Yeah . 660.11 IS1001a C MIO020 2 661.594 663.008 661.594 662.97 directly . 662.97 IS1001a B MIO012 1 662.419 664.448 662.68 664.33 I it will look a bulky in that case . 664.33 IS1001a A MIO043 0 664.848 670.784 664.87 670.62 Yeah . Maybe we can sell uh all that together , so so plastic protection 665.78 667.66 IS1001a C MIO020 2 665.632 665.941 665.65 665.82 Yeah . 665.82 IS1001a A MIO043 0 672.256 675.936 672.28 675.9 and uh and a waterproof box as well . 675.9 IS1001a A MIO043 0 677.52 680.224 677.83 680.19 That might be good uh track to follow . 680.19 IS1001a B MIO012 1 680.576 681.68 680.6 681.57 Like as an optional thing . 681.57 IS1001a A MIO043 0 682.72 685.92 682.74 685.72 Optional or selled with it ? 685.72 IS1001a C MIO020 2 682.74 695.552 682.74 695.52 And I I think we should have something , most of the time I I lose my remote control . We should have s uh special bu button on the T_V_ to make the remote control beeping . 685.9 689.6 695.52 IS1001a A MIO043 0 689.848 690.192 689.92 690.15 Yeah . 690.15 IS1001a A MIO043 0 692.848 694.315 692.87 694.315 Maybe we can have uh - IS1001a A MIO043 0 695.296 702.541 695.32 702.51 But we don't design the T_V_ . Maybe we can have uh something you whistle and uh the remote control uh beep . 697.32 702.51 IS1001a C MIO020 2 696.969 698.193 697.25 698.05 Ah yeah . 698.05 IS1001a C MIO020 2 702.785 703.829 703.05 703.829 Yeah . 703.56 IS1001a B MIO012 1 703.268 704.032 703.5 704.0 Barks . 704.0 IS1001a C MIO020 2 704.285 705.964 704.285 705.41 Barks . 705.41 IS1001a A MIO043 0 704.416 711.351 704.44 711.1 Yeah , barks , yeah . So we can uh have a whistle uh remote control ? 704.69 705.99 707.14 711.1 IS1001a C MIO020 2 710.352 711.184 710.38 711.13 Yeah . 711.13 IS1001a C MIO020 2 712.768 713.696 712.79 713.51 Yeah whistle . 713.51 IS1001a A MIO043 0 714.496 717.92 714.52 717.92 I don't know , whistle-able ? 715.15 717.47 IS1001a C MIO020 2 718.096 720.253 718.12 720.253 Whistle tracking . 720.2 IS1001a A MIO043 0 718.36 718.548 718.39 718.49 Th - IS1001a A MIO043 0 719.408 727.591 719.408 727.49 Whistle tracking yeah . Whistle tracking remote control . That's a good idea , that's very original and that's can uh improve . 721.55 723.71 724.42 727.49 IS1001a B MIO012 1 725.771 735.856 726.19 735.82 That's that's quite cool , but uh of course we you don't normally need uh any audio uh recording stuff on your remote control right ? 727.46 735.82 IS1001a A MIO043 0 735.792 736.96 735.81 736.83 Yeah d d uh . 736.83 IS1001a B MIO012 1 736.276 739.2 736.43 739.14 So i it's just going to add t to the cost . 739.14 IS1001a A MIO043 0 739.904 747.648 739.92 747.61 Yeah but s still we have to mm we have to have an advantage over our competitors . I think this is a good advantage . 746.07 747.61 IS1001a B MIO012 1 747.386 754.001 747.386 754.001 It's cool . I think I like the idea , but I'm not sure about the what you , who is giving who's giving who's giving our budget . Who's 748.39 749.61 750.88 753.59 IS1001a A MIO043 0 751.056 752.994 751.08 752.994 Yeah . We have to ask 751.7 IS1001a A MIO043 0 753.76 759.115 753.78 759.05 Yeah . We have to ask the quest of that's uh design to the uh Industrial um Designer . 754.13 759.05 IS1001a B MIO012 1 755.584 757.122 755.61 756.99 Yeah . Yeah . 756.66 756.99 IS1001a C MIO020 2 760.176 763.584 760.2 763.584 Yeah . yeah 762.3 IS1001a A MIO043 0 760.879 769.516 760.879 769.516 Which is you . Okay so try to find that for next meeting . 764.11 768.87 IS1001a B MIO012 1 761.413 762.869 761.54 762.869 'Kay . 762.7 IS1001a C MIO020 2 767.456 768.912 767.48 768.912 Okay . 768.68 IS1001a A MIO043 0 769.516 787.87 769.55 787.74 Okay . So next meeting is in thirty minutes or so uh . Don't pani . So so I will ask the Industrial Designer to find out more about this industrial design so any working any working function we have discussed . 770.13 775.04 776.35 787.74 IS1001a C MIO020 2 773.3 775.184 773.3 775.184 Don't panic . 775.11 IS1001a C MIO020 2 782.656 783.12 782.69 783.08 Mm-hmm . 783.08 IS1001a A MIO043 0 788.546 804.668 788.59 804.44 So then I will ask the User Interf Interface Designer to to think about the point we discussed like the number of buttons , the the fact that is lighted or not , things like that , and what would be convenient for the user . 797.99 801.42 802.48 804.44 IS1001a B MIO012 1 802.398 802.991 802.6 802.96 Mm-hmm . 802.96 IS1001a A MIO043 0 804.958 818.976 805.28 818.89 And also um I will ask the Market Expert to uh try to find out what are the absolute requirements , what is absolutely needed in a remote control uh for the user . 814.37 818.89 IS1001a A MIO043 0 821.216 832.608 821.24 832.608 So . And then uh I will uh just ask you to think about that and uh look at your mail because you will receive uh some good advice soon . 822.55 832.36 IS1001a B MIO012 1 832.832 833.536 832.92 833.49 Mm . 833.49 IS1001a A MIO043 0 834.722 835.424 834.95 835.34 So . 835.34 IS1001a A MIO043 0 836.704 840.512 836.72 840.47 Thank you I think that's all for this point . 840.47 IS1001a B MIO012 1 838.336 838.678 838.44 838.56 Good . 838.56 IS1001a C MIO020 2 838.56 839.072 838.59 839.02 Mm-hmm . 839.02 IS1001a D FIO074 3 841.202 843.328 841.85 842.01 Thank you - IS1001a B MIO012 1 848.08 850.816 848.1 850.11 Uh , so we come back in five minutes ? 848.41 850.11 IS1001a B MIO012 1 852.048 854.176 852.07 853.55 Half an hour . 853.55 IS1001a A MIO043 0 857.861 860.57 858.05 859.93 Anyway you will receive some messages . 859.93 IS1001a A MIO043 0 868.972 870.018 869.13 869.88 Be careful . 869.88 IS1001a A MIO043 0 872.173 872.813 872.23 872.75 You eat it ? 872.75 IS1001a A MIO043 0 877.154 878.216 877.23 878.09 Does it move uh ? 878.09 IS1001a A MIO043 0 881.823 885.726 881.91 885.726 Okay , but I don't know if it uh is still correctly uh 882.83 IS1001a A MIO043 0 890.613 892.097 891.04 891.84 We'll see . 891.84 IS1001a C MIO020 2 898.329 902.94 898.73 902.64 Ah . 902.64 IS1001b C MIO020 2 24.396 24.979 24.5 24.81 Okay . 24.81 IS1001b A MIO043 0 26.178 27.66 26.34 27.56 Okay everyone's ready . 27.56 IS1001b B MIO012 1 27.688 28.457 27.85 28.15 Hello . 28.15 IS1001b A MIO043 0 29.774 34.577 29.92 34.54 So we are here for uh for uh functional design . 34.54 IS1001b A MIO043 0 37.294 48.512 37.41 48.48 Okay ? So we are here for the functional design meeting mm so first I will show the agenda so 40.76 IS1001b A MIO043 0 49.68 53.664 49.7 53.54 we will uh I will take notes during this meeting so - IS1001b A MIO043 0 54.704 61.824 54.72 61.79 I will try to summarise it and put that summary in the shared folder if you want to look at it afterwards - IS1001b A MIO043 0 63.168 76.496 63.19 76.42 so then uh each of you will uh lead a presentation on the task that has been required last time so user requirement specification , technical function design and working design . 73.42 76.42 IS1001b A MIO043 0 78.32 87.568 78.36 87.53 Then I will uh present you some new project requirements I received from uh the management board . 87.53 IS1001b A MIO043 0 88.992 94.944 89.03 94.91 Then we will take uh the decision on on the remote control uh needed functions - IS1001b A MIO043 0 96.752 115.52 96.77 115.48 and then I will assign you the task for the next part of the meeting . Of the of the process . So uh who want to start the the presentation of what they did ? 105.52 109.1 115.48 IS1001b D FIO074 3 117.969 118.441 118.13 118.28 Mm . 118.28 IS1001b C MIO020 2 118.256 120.128 119.04 120.08 F do you want to start ? 120.08 IS1001b B MIO012 1 120.32 137.168 120.45 135.7 Make a start yeah . So . Cable , camera . Should be in my in their folder no ? Up . 122.66 124.9 125.4 130.35 135.34 135.7 IS1001b A MIO043 0 122.016 122.544 122.04 122.51 You can start . 122.51 IS1001b A MIO043 0 127.6 131.52 128.53 131.17 You have uh PowerPoint ? 131.17 IS1001b A MIO043 0 133.264 138.352 133.95 138.352 Ah yeah maybe there . Okay . Who are you ? 135.65 137.34 137.93 IS1001b B MIO012 1 138.224 139.504 138.3 139.31 Um at three I think . 139.31 IS1001b B MIO012 1 141.704 144.352 142.03 144.21 No ? Mm . 143.58 144.21 IS1001b A MIO043 0 147.376 148.016 147.4 147.79 Ouch . 147.79 IS1001b A MIO043 0 149.248 150.176 149.27 150.176 And - IS1001b C MIO020 2 152.448 154.192 152.49 154.192 Okay . 154.04 IS1001b A MIO043 0 153.456 155.456 153.48 155.42 We have a technical problem uh . 155.42 IS1001b B MIO012 1 157.184 160.336 157.82 160.28 Do we think w s in the in the wrong folder maybe ? 160.28 IS1001b B MIO012 1 161.824 162.72 161.824 162.58 It is possible . 162.58 IS1001b A MIO043 0 162.864 164.224 162.88 164.224 You put it on - IS1001b C MIO020 2 163.088 163.504 163.12 163.47 No . 163.47 IS1001b B MIO012 1 164.656 169.184 164.7 169.05 It was somewhere in something like this . I don't remember the name actually must be something like messenger AMI or something . 166.31 169.05 IS1001b C MIO020 2 169.808 170.992 169.83 170.94 What do you have in short cut ? 170.94 IS1001b B MIO012 1 171.248 171.648 171.27 171.61 Go up . 171.61 IS1001b C MIO020 2 172.192 173.024 172.21 172.97 Participant two . 172.97 IS1001b B MIO012 1 173.776 174.432 173.8 174.4 Yeah go up . 174.4 IS1001b A MIO043 0 175.536 175.792 175.56 175.76 Yeah . 175.76 IS1001b B MIO012 1 176.528 177.232 176.6 177.19 Again . 177.19 IS1001b B MIO012 1 178.64 179.936 178.67 179.85 No . Go back . 179.46 179.85 IS1001b A MIO043 0 180.928 182.128 180.95 182.128 You have no - IS1001b B MIO012 1 182.016 183.36 182.04 183.33 Uh maybe messenger AMI . 183.33 IS1001b B MIO012 1 185.152 185.68 185.17 185.57 Messenger . 185.57 IS1001b A MIO043 0 186.768 187.184 186.79 187.15 Over . 187.15 IS1001b A MIO043 0 188.208 188.608 188.23 188.57 Okay . 188.57 IS1001b B MIO012 1 190.096 191.264 190.12 191.03 No . There is nothing . 190.44 191.03 IS1001b A MIO043 0 195.248 196.32 195.27 196.32 There's no - IS1001b A MIO043 0 197.536 200.112 197.56 199.88 We have a technical problem . 199.88 IS1001b B MIO012 1 196.768 200.988 198.09 200.93 Let's go and check . I'll go and check . 200.05 200.93 IS1001b C MIO020 2 199.152 202.0 199.44 201.92 Yeah . Otherwise , could you just describe 200.12 200.57 IS1001b C MIO020 2 203.072 206.16 203.21 206.12 by hand ? With the the whiteboard ? 204.66 206.12 IS1001b B MIO012 1 203.824 204.704 204.3 204.6 Okay . 204.6 IS1001b B MIO012 1 206.416 206.832 206.44 206.75 Yeah . 206.75 IS1001b A MIO043 0 206.832 209.583 206.85 209.583 If you remember yeah but that's - IS1001b B MIO012 1 208.16 239.584 208.18 239.52 Yeah . So uh . Basically what we want here is a remote control right . So um the question well first of all what to control . So most people want to have a a remote for their hi-fi and T_V_ and stuff like that . And but other people want th also remotes for controlling uh and toys like robotic pets and little robots and stuff and other people also want to have remotes for controlling um whole house . 209.11 210.06 214.68 217.6 224.18 239.52 IS1001b A MIO043 0 214.08 214.688 214.1 214.47 Yeah . 214.47 IS1001b C MIO020 2 223.504 223.968 223.54 223.93 Mm-hmm . 223.93 IS1001b C MIO020 2 232.368 232.768 232.39 232.73 Mm-hmm . 232.73 IS1001b C MIO020 2 239.936 240.614 239.96 240.51 Mm-hmm . 240.51 IS1001b A MIO043 0 240.32 240.656 240.35 240.62 Yeah . 240.62 IS1001b B MIO012 1 240.576 254.496 240.6 254.41 Yeah , so there's a project I think called X_ house or something like that that does that , uh you can integrate your remote with uh computers stuff . So there is one that is one thing . The other is the 241.01 245.62 249.33 251.84 IS1001b C MIO020 2 249.12 249.472 249.16 249.44 Mm-hmm . 249.44 IS1001b B MIO012 1 255.92 262.4 255.96 262.37 the finder feature yeah by whistling or whatever . Uh if you have the finder feature then you can also have 259.2 IS1001b C MIO020 2 259.489 259.904 259.52 259.85 Okay . 259.85 IS1001b B MIO012 1 263.392 267.456 263.49 267.41 uh at the same time as and general voice commands if you want yeah . 267.41 IS1001b C MIO020 2 267.92 268.304 267.94 268.25 Mm-hmm . 268.25 IS1001b B MIO012 1 268.203 289.28 268.203 289.25 So I think it should be a package in that case . Uh so the user interface will consist of two parts . One is the voice command part and on one is the actual buttons part . Uh and th the buttons part would be uh a set of buttons for choosing devices , a set of buttons for special navigation in space , 271.94 275.94 280.57 286.37 289.25 IS1001b C MIO020 2 285.488 285.888 285.51 285.85 Mm-hmm . 285.85 IS1001b C MIO020 2 289.6 290.032 289.63 290.0 Mm-hmm . 290.0 IS1001b B MIO012 1 290.352 298.752 290.37 298.72 a set of buttons for linear access of medium and a set of buttons for random access . 298.72 IS1001b A MIO043 0 300.288 300.784 300.31 300.73 Okay . 300.73 IS1001b B MIO012 1 300.848 301.168 300.87 301.13 Yeah ? 301.13 IS1001b C MIO020 2 300.854 302.864 301.11 302.81 What do you mean by linear access then ? 302.81 IS1001b B MIO012 1 302.8 306.944 302.82 306.91 Like a video tape goes forward , backwards , uh fast and stuff yeah . 304.73 305.27 306.91 IS1001b C MIO020 2 304.682 305.132 304.77 305.03 Ah . 305.03 IS1001b B MIO012 1 308.448 309.241 308.51 309.01 Um . 309.01 IS1001b A MIO043 0 308.672 314.064 308.69 314.03 Okay so special navigation , linear access , random access and there's a fourth one no ? 311.02 311.67 314.03 IS1001b B MIO012 1 314.704 315.008 314.73 314.95 Mm ? 314.95 IS1001b A MIO043 0 316.128 318.56 316.15 318.53 So the better now for special navigation ? 318.53 IS1001b B MIO012 1 318.944 324.339 319.04 324.24 Yeah . For special navigation for example you might have a T_V_ in the menu and you going to change yeah ? Uh . 319.43 323.92 324.24 IS1001b A MIO043 0 322.288 326.464 322.31 326.43 Okay . Then linear access then random access . 323.38 326.43 IS1001b B MIO012 1 325.229 349.328 325.42 348.95 Mm . Yeah and also parameter changing . So if there are common parameters maybe we should put special buttons for that um or maybe we could have everything uh generic but uh there are a lot of uh remotes on the market right now and basically this is most of the almost everybody has this stuff . 326.45 330.19 348.95 IS1001b A MIO043 0 328.384 329.84 328.46 329.8 Ah yeah parameter okay . 329.8 IS1001b A MIO043 0 333.904 334.368 333.93 334.33 Okay . 334.33 IS1001b A MIO043 0 343.376 343.76 343.4 343.73 Okay . 343.73 IS1001b A MIO043 0 348.224 351.664 348.64 351.664 Okay and and voice command did you uh - IS1001b B MIO012 1 351.584 360.896 351.6 360.84 Voice command w we could specify anything . We could assign any button a command to any button , if we have enough processing power , I guess so . Yeah . 353.43 356.85 358.36 360.58 360.84 IS1001b A MIO043 0 354.036 354.691 354.1 354.62 Okay . 354.62 IS1001b A MIO043 0 356.48 356.928 356.5 356.89 Okay . 356.89 IS1001b A MIO043 0 361.2 361.744 361.22 361.7 Okay . 361.7 IS1001b B MIO012 1 362.288 362.576 362.32 362.54 Yeah . 362.54 IS1001b A MIO043 0 362.896 366.208 362.92 366.17 So that's uh that close your investigations ? 366.17 IS1001b B MIO012 1 366.4 369.568 366.42 369.53 Yeah . Uh yeah I think so . Not so far . 367.48 369.14 369.53 IS1001b A MIO043 0 367.306 368.049 367.61 367.9 Okay . 367.9 IS1001b A MIO043 0 369.488 373.072 369.51 373.072 Okay . Maybe we can have a look at the user requirements with 370.06 IS1001b D FIO074 3 373.344 381.632 373.41 381.56 Yeah . Um I dunno if you can open the uh m is not here . 375.02 381.56 IS1001b A MIO043 0 378.576 381.138 378.6 381.05 I dunno if I can open it . Maybe you can s 380.36 IS1001b A MIO043 0 382.032 382.48 382.05 382.48 It's - IS1001b D FIO074 3 383.056 384.288 383.08 384.288 Uh in - IS1001b D FIO074 3 386.144 387.619 386.27 387.31 yeah okay . No . 387.15 387.31 IS1001b A MIO043 0 386.8 388.0 386.82 387.95 Messenger no ? 387.95 IS1001b D FIO074 3 388.272 389.68 388.36 389.43 In document . 389.43 IS1001b D FIO074 3 392.56 394.192 392.68 394.16 Mm computer yeah . 394.16 IS1001b A MIO043 0 395.552 396.88 395.98 396.75 In which folder ? 396.75 IS1001b B MIO012 1 396.928 397.76 397.0 397.65 Where did you put it ? 397.65 IS1001b D FIO074 3 398.08 399.536 398.1 399.5 Here . Here . 399.26 399.5 IS1001b A MIO043 0 400.752 403.536 400.752 403.5 Short-cut to AMI shared folder ? 403.5 IS1001b B MIO012 1 401.93 404.0 401.93 403.96 mm . 403.96 IS1001b D FIO074 3 402.286 403.152 402.49 403.152 But it's not - IS1001b D FIO074 3 404.336 404.848 404.38 404.81 Um . 404.81 IS1001b A MIO043 0 407.152 409.456 407.25 409.25 Maybe you can send it to me by email . 409.25 IS1001b A MIO043 0 411.728 413.744 411.75 413.62 Just to participant one . 413.62 IS1001b A MIO043 0 416.72 417.456 416.74 417.42 At AMI . 417.42 IS1001b D FIO074 3 416.56 419.84 417.6 419.69 Mm-hmm . Yeah , I can do that . 418.27 418.56 419.69 IS1001b A MIO043 0 419.504 425.936 419.58 425.83 I will try to show it to everyone , that would be more comfortable . 422.74 425.83 IS1001b D FIO074 3 424.96 427.904 425.97 427.79 Okay . Um . 426.66 427.79 IS1001b A MIO043 0 429.344 429.808 429.36 429.77 You send it ? 429.77 IS1001b D FIO074 3 432.147 434.8 432.147 434.76 It's participant one ? 434.76 IS1001b A MIO043 0 435.056 435.344 435.08 435.31 Yeah . 435.31 IS1001b A MIO043 0 436.56 437.952 436.58 437.91 Uh this is this email . 437.91 IS1001b B MIO012 1 443.28 447.888 443.45 447.888 I'm designing the user interface . 447.11 IS1001b D FIO074 3 464.64 465.552 464.66 465.44 Okay . You can uh . 465.1 465.44 IS1001b A MIO043 0 468.112 469.408 468.99 469.37 Okay . 469.37 IS1001b A MIO043 0 475.616 485.648 476.3 485.61 So maybe I can switch slides when you whenever you ask , that will be more convenient . So okay , functional requirements . 481.12 482.7 484.44 485.61 IS1001b D FIO074 3 478.688 478.97 478.71 478.94 Yeah . 478.94 IS1001b D FIO074 3 483.488 486.336 484.35 486.29 Okay so you can you can go . 486.29 IS1001b D FIO074 3 489.024 502.848 489.04 502.72 Okay so in our usability lab we observed the remote control use among one hundred subjects and the subjects also filled a questionnaire okay ? 502.72 IS1001b A MIO043 0 497.056 497.456 497.08 497.37 Mm . 497.37 IS1001b A MIO043 0 502.448 502.72 502.47 502.69 Yeah . 502.69 IS1001b D FIO074 3 504.176 519.616 505.06 519.56 And here I have the results so you can see that um seventy five per cent of users find most remote controls ugly so we have to find something to make them more - IS1001b D FIO074 3 520.608 542.527 520.608 542.527 more nice , more kind . Eighty per cents of users would spend more money when the remote control would look fancy . Eighty hundred per cent of users would spend more money when the remote control would look oh to it's not good . So okay . So it's not in theory but I I can I can say yeah . 521.45 522.93 529.92 538.41 539.71 542.49 IS1001b A MIO043 0 539.733 541.248 539.8 541.07 We can just keep doing that ? 541.07 IS1001b A MIO043 0 542.496 542.89 542.53 542.78 Yeah . 542.78 IS1001b D FIO074 3 542.527 587.376 542.67 587.376 Fifty f uh seventy five per cent of users say they s zap a lot . So mm we have to have a remote control uh very um out for that . Uh the buttons have are to be um uh uh like you say resist resisting to to shocks . Um and fifty per cents of users say they only use uh ten per cents of but of the buttons in the in the remote control . So all the buttons we we have to put are have to to have um a use a real use and not only or 547.5 555.24 564.61 575.65 IS1001b A MIO043 0 562.699 563.488 562.96 563.45 Okay . 563.45 IS1001b A MIO043 0 573.824 575.728 573.84 575.47 Okay . 575.47 IS1001b A MIO043 0 586.448 587.145 586.47 587.06 Okay . 587.06 IS1001b A MIO043 0 587.92 590.672 587.94 590.64 Okay , so fewer buttons maybe would be good ? 588.24 590.64 IS1001b D FIO074 3 589.84 597.728 589.86 597.39 Yeah . F not many buttons , and uh and uh uh u useable buttons . 590.23 592.04 597.39 IS1001b A MIO043 0 597.76 598.304 597.78 598.27 Okay . 598.27 IS1001b B MIO012 1 598.848 601.12 598.88 601.0 But what kind of remote controls did you look at ? 601.0 IS1001b D FIO074 3 601.68 602.128 601.7 602.09 Sorry ? 602.09 IS1001b B MIO012 1 602.24 605.12 602.53 605.09 What kind of task was it ? It was a T_V_ ? 604.23 605.09 IS1001b D FIO074 3 605.872 611.008 605.89 610.86 Yeah . Uh most for most is T_V_ . 606.48 610.86 IS1001b A MIO043 0 607.84 608.032 607.86 608.0 Yeah . 608.0 IS1001b A MIO043 0 609.952 624.379 609.97 624.24 Yeah but in fact we it it seems that we are going to make a T_V_ remote control according to new requirements I received from the management bo I will present them in the following . Okay . 623.8 624.24 IS1001b B MIO012 1 615.935 616.499 616.15 616.44 Huh . 616.44 IS1001b B MIO012 1 618.528 618.869 618.55 618.78 Uh-huh . 618.78 IS1001b B MIO012 1 621.168 621.824 621.19 621.78 Ah ! Good . 621.54 621.78 IS1001b D FIO074 3 622.384 626.048 622.384 625.55 'Kay you can go so . 625.55 IS1001b D FIO074 3 627.056 643.872 627.17 643.54 So there are other frustrations expressed by users , so they said uh they lost uh often the remote control in in the room so they want to have a way to to 631.55 IS1001b A MIO043 0 638.031 638.795 638.29 638.59 Yeah . 638.59 IS1001b A MIO043 0 644.432 646.112 644.45 646.06 To find it . Yeah . 645.79 646.06 IS1001b D FIO074 3 644.643 662.0 644.86 661.9 to find it . Um and um lot of the time they it takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote control . So they want something s really very simple and uh easy to use . 646.73 656.73 661.9 IS1001b A MIO043 0 654.624 654.912 654.64 654.88 Yeah . 654.88 IS1001b C MIO020 2 657.824 658.272 657.85 658.24 Mm-hmm . 658.24 IS1001b A MIO043 0 659.632 660.192 659.65 660.06 Okay . 660.06 IS1001b D FIO074 3 663.296 666.848 663.33 666.79 And uh remote controls are bad for - IS1001b A MIO043 0 668.528 669.92 668.55 669.8 What is her other side ? 669.8 IS1001b D FIO074 3 668.433 671.936 668.76 671.936 R_S_I_ um - IS1001b D FIO074 3 673.131 674.353 673.64 674.15 I dunno . 674.15 IS1001b B MIO012 1 673.68 675.792 673.7 675.75 Other side yeah , yo wa your wrist . 674.47 675.75 IS1001b B MIO012 1 677.488 679.52 677.55 679.49 It i can become painful you can have tendonditis . 679.49 IS1001b A MIO043 0 680.08 682.544 680.1 682.51 Oh yeah ? I did not knew that . 681.67 682.51 IS1001b B MIO012 1 680.608 680.928 680.63 680.84 Yeah . 680.84 IS1001b B MIO012 1 682.608 685.2 682.67 685.15 If you also up on a computer in a strange position . 685.15 IS1001b A MIO043 0 685.152 688.736 685.18 688.7 Okay so you we have to make it uh more ergonomic yeah . 688.7 IS1001b B MIO012 1 687.345 694.192 687.53 694.192 Ergonomic . But uh . Have to say ha ha . 688.65 690.23 693.12 IS1001b D FIO074 3 690.208 690.544 690.23 690.5 Yeah . 690.5 IS1001b A MIO043 0 692.0 699.568 692.0 699.568 It's your job Oh . 699.26 IS1001b D FIO074 3 700.528 701.168 700.65 701.07 Uh . 701.07 IS1001b A MIO043 0 701.696 706.56 701.72 706.56 Uh sorry got a message from Microsoft . 706.41 IS1001b D FIO074 3 706.56 719.52 706.56 719.52 Okay um before that I I have some some some thing uh to say before um - IS1001b A MIO043 0 715.776 717.056 715.8 716.86 Yeah . 716.86 IS1001b A MIO043 0 718.256 718.608 718.28 718.57 Yeah yeah . 718.57 IS1001b D FIO074 3 722.816 761.048 722.89 761.048 We know that uh the user use uh a lot their um remote control um to to change channel . Um and um to to change uh volume selection of the and uh and not uh a lot for setting for setting the the channels and uh thing things like that . So it's better to put uh uh uh something very easy to set and uh and 733.54 751.66 IS1001b A MIO043 0 732.336 732.704 732.36 732.67 Yeah . 732.67 IS1001b A MIO043 0 739.488 740.096 739.55 740.06 Okay . 740.06 IS1001b A MIO043 0 746.368 746.672 746.39 746.63 Yeah . 746.63 IS1001b C MIO020 2 749.44 749.925 749.47 749.89 Mm-hmm . 749.89 IS1001b B MIO012 1 751.232 751.584 751.27 751.54 Mm-hmm . 751.54 IS1001b A MIO043 0 751.344 751.792 751.36 751.76 Okay . 751.76 IS1001b A MIO043 0 759.248 759.552 759.27 759.52 Yeah . 759.52 IS1001b A MIO043 0 760.848 767.216 760.87 767.16 This function should be very uh accessible . Yeah , okay . This is the main function okay . 764.04 764.25 765.85 767.16 IS1001b D FIO074 3 762.179 764.379 762.25 764.32 Very accessible yes . 764.32 IS1001b D FIO074 3 765.28 765.845 765.42 765.7 That's right . 765.7 IS1001b D FIO074 3 767.136 790.624 767.136 790.54 So then we asked some questions to them and um we asked this question if they prefer an L_C_D_ screen or on their remultific function remotes control and if they mm pay more for speech recognition in remote control and you can go we have here the results of - IS1001b A MIO043 0 771.312 771.584 771.33 771.52 Yeah . 771.52 IS1001b A MIO043 0 774.142 774.811 774.34 774.76 Yeah . 774.76 IS1001b A MIO043 0 784.304 784.784 784.32 784.67 Yeah . 784.67 IS1001b B MIO012 1 790.832 791.616 790.85 791.58 The first question . 791.58 IS1001b D FIO074 3 791.888 797.28 791.91 797.25 of the questions . So you know that um 794.44 IS1001b D FIO074 3 798.32 802.176 798.32 802.09 for the younger it's very important - IS1001b A MIO043 0 802.64 804.975 802.66 804.87 To have L_C_D_ and voice . 804.87 IS1001b D FIO074 3 802.947 829.776 803.12 829.74 to have the s yes and speech recognition . And uh and the others is not so important but uh we know that uh uh people between fifteen and twenty five are people who watch a lot T_V_ and uh who who wh can use a lot this uh . So maybe we we can have a speech recognition in . Yeah . 806.5 825.38 829.52 829.74 IS1001b A MIO043 0 824.672 825.328 824.7 825.17 Okay . 825.17 IS1001b A MIO043 0 827.28 844.8 827.3 844.75 Yeah maybe this this is important . Moreover th maybe those uh like those teenager customer could advice their parents to buy this equipment and so we can we have to take care of that point of view I think or so . 830.16 844.75 IS1001b B MIO012 1 839.285 839.712 839.31 839.68 Mm . 839.68 IS1001b D FIO074 3 844.864 876.944 844.93 876.944 Mm . Okay and if there is th the conclusion now . So as we say before , I think uh um a remote control lightening in the dark it's it's a good thing . Uh not to many mud buttons like we we said before , e easy to use uh a way to find it easily in the room and uh uh resistant to to shock and to to 847.05 849.99 852.54 858.37 861.83 IS1001b A MIO043 0 846.544 846.816 846.56 846.74 Yeah . 846.74 IS1001b A MIO043 0 858.16 858.705 858.18 858.6 Okay . 858.6 IS1001b A MIO043 0 861.786 862.224 861.93 862.18 Yeah . 862.18 IS1001b C MIO020 2 875.968 876.436 876.0 876.39 Mm-hmm . 876.39 IS1001b A MIO043 0 877.712 878.176 877.73 878.14 Okay . 878.14 IS1001b D FIO074 3 879.472 886.48 879.472 886.48 An I s no , yeah . I dunno if you see something else important or 881.16 881.98 IS1001b A MIO043 0 880.594 882.724 880.594 882.63 Okay these are the user requi - IS1001b C MIO020 2 889.376 892.72 889.4 892.72 I'm just thinking of some thing . Um 892.22 IS1001b D FIO074 3 891.52 891.792 891.55 891.71 Mm . 891.71 IS1001b A MIO043 0 891.968 892.272 891.99 892.2 Yeah . 892.2 IS1001b C MIO020 2 895.28 901.696 895.3 901.66 We want to have a no , I don't know if this is a good idea . We want to have a a general remote control for everything . 896.93 898.42 901.66 IS1001b A MIO043 0 901.792 913.344 901.82 913.31 No no no . We w it seems that we no want to have a T_V_ remote control . From the management board I receive an email . Cos it would be costly 902.98 908.14 911.69 IS1001b C MIO020 2 907.76 908.16 907.78 908.1 Okay . 908.1 IS1001b B MIO012 1 907.933 908.638 908.26 908.46 Mm . 908.46 IS1001b C MIO020 2 910.182 910.98 910.48 910.92 Yeah . 910.92 IS1001b A MIO043 0 914.352 921.312 914.4 921.28 uh and and also it it would take more time to develop to have a a general generic remote control . 921.28 IS1001b C MIO020 2 917.868 919.088 917.94 919.04 Yeah . Yeah yeah . 918.1 919.04 IS1001b C MIO020 2 920.565 921.233 920.73 921.17 Yeah . 921.17 IS1001b B MIO012 1 921.568 923.472 921.74 923.38 Mm I it's not true I think . 923.38 IS1001b B MIO012 1 925.456 927.68 925.5 927.55 The the second claim that you put . 927.55 IS1001b C MIO020 2 925.49 926.393 925.59 926.393 No no . 926.28 IS1001b A MIO043 0 928.08 930.032 928.1 930.0 That it would be too long to develop . 930.0 IS1001b B MIO012 1 929.472 931.808 929.55 931.77 Yeah . I think that should be the same . 930.29 931.77 IS1001b A MIO043 0 932.688 949.184 932.72 949.15 Oh yeah . Because I received that email from management board and they seems to tell that that if we want to be on the market as early as possible we should uh focus on T_V_ more where it seems that the market is more important . 933.58 949.15 IS1001b A MIO043 0 951.968 954.72 951.99 954.69 So maybe it's a good decision . I dunno . What's your opinion ? 953.21 953.97 954.69 IS1001b B MIO012 1 954.16 961.392 954.18 961.392 I have uh I've no idea I mean I should know a bit more about how fast we can uh design it . I don't think 960.51 IS1001b B MIO012 1 962.363 963.648 962.52 963.58 Uh yeah . 963.58 IS1001b C MIO020 2 963.728 979.574 964.1 979.574 Finish tonight . But basically yeah maybe I can continue with my presentation , it would be al you you but I think we have some technical problem or so . So I'm just going to describe briefly what we do in the remote control . If fact 966.62 970.34 974.83 979.1 IS1001b B MIO012 1 965.164 968.021 965.39 967.76 Yeah . Okay . Yeah . 966.0 967.51 967.76 IS1001b A MIO043 0 970.896 971.36 970.92 971.32 Okay . 971.32 IS1001b D FIO074 3 971.12 971.312 971.14 971.28 Yeah . 971.28 IS1001b B MIO012 1 971.28 971.472 971.3 971.44 Yeah . 971.44 IS1001b A MIO043 0 978.912 982.687 978.93 982.64 Maybe you can go to the whiteboard if you have some drawings to do I don't know . 982.64 IS1001b C MIO020 2 982.259 982.928 982.28 982.928 Yeah but - IS1001b D FIO074 3 982.399 982.869 982.42 982.77 Mm . 982.77 IS1001b C MIO020 2 984.016 988.019 984.06 987.78 Do I have oh yeah . Now I have enough cables . 985.74 987.78 IS1001b B MIO012 1 986.848 991.504 988.18 991.47 Like a you feel a bit like a dog with this stuff . 991.47 IS1001b C MIO020 2 991.631 1001.248 991.631 1001.248 Okay so I'm just going to describe in fact for for a remote control this is quite easy . We just have sorry , I'm going 997.83 999.44 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1003.664 1006.096 1003.68 1006.096 Okay . Are you okay ? 1004.21 1005.87 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1005.04 1015.104 1005.06 1014.96 Like that . I'm just going to describe . Basically we have a a battery a power supply here . After that we just have um user interface . Let's say that 1006.13 1007.25 1011.08 1014.23 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1016.56 1017.52 1016.65 1017.43 um - IS1001b C MIO020 2 1019.28 1030.122 1019.3 1029.83 something like that , which could be um a L_C_D_ let's say or um an array of push button , something like that . 1020.49 1028.44 1029.83 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1033.152 1038.16 1033.17 1038.13 Push button or a L_C_D_ . After that we we feed that into um 1035.43 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1039.328 1061.056 1039.78 1060.77 uh an electronic chip . So I say U_C_ and I feed that to uh L_E_D_ which is uh infrared um which is a an infrared um component . And so what we for for myself this for for us this is quite easy . 1041.89 1055.58 1060.77 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1060.992 1062.64 1061.01 1062.58 U_C_ is the central unit ? 1062.58 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1063.312 1071.344 1063.53 1071.31 Yeah . Y it's a it's this just a chip which does all the um numerical 1064.33 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1064.112 1064.592 1064.13 1064.56 Okay yeah . 1064.56 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1071.712 1072.512 1071.73 1072.47 Computation . 1072.47 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1072.384 1098.544 1072.4 1098.48 numerical computation according to your display . And so for us uh this is quite easy . We just need to take to define what we want to do when the user interface um wants something and after that we just do the coding to s and send that to to to the not the to the television . So for us this is quite easy . 1075.8 1078.37 1096.69 1098.48 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1073.696 1073.968 1073.72 1073.93 Okay . 1073.93 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1096.208 1096.672 1096.23 1096.64 Okay . 1096.64 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1098.848 1102.4 1099.0 1102.37 Okay so this is quite easy . There is not that much constraints . 1101.09 1102.37 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1100.528 1114.016 1100.69 1114.016 Yeah . Um we just have to define the processing power that we need uh especially if we want to do some uh speech recognition , in that case that mean that we are going to use more for simple 1101.07 1109.34 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1112.752 1117.584 1112.752 1117.584 This will think this will take more time to develop also . Yeah . 1116.35 1117.53 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1115.424 1125.344 1115.44 1125.16 Yeah of course of course . And um but for a standard one this is really easy . It's a question of one month and so on s 1117.53 1121.37 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1123.504 1124.376 1123.72 1124.28 Soon . 1124.28 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1124.688 1128.544 1124.71 1128.51 To have a you s you speak about with voi voice control ? 1128.51 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1128.72 1136.208 1128.74 1136.0 No no no no , I say yeah standard uh standard remote control takes maybe uh one month to to do that . 1129.32 1136.0 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1129.728 1131.73 1129.75 1131.61 Standard button one . 1131.61 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1136.672 1142.608 1136.7 1142.57 Yeah . So the only time problem is the sp voice recognition . Yeah . Yeah . 1137.37 1141.17 1142.39 1142.57 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1140.576 1142.384 1140.6 1142.01 Yeah . Definitely . 1141.39 1142.01 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1143.392 1148.192 1143.41 1148.16 So do you have any idea of how long it would take to have voice recognition now ? 1148.16 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1148.288 1149.776 1148.288 1149.74 Ten years . 1149.74 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1148.576 1159.136 1148.6 1159.1 I would say . I would say uh about eight months to have the first results . 1151.07 1159.1 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1159.536 1161.696 1159.56 1161.66 Okay so i it's a bit long yeah . 1161.66 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1161.776 1163.04 1161.8 1163.04 Yeah . I can 1162.45 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1167.568 1168.032 1167.69 1168.0 Um . 1168.0 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1174.465 1179.888 1174.66 1179.83 One month for the standard one with button . Even if we have a L_C_D_ display ? 1177.88 1179.83 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1176.816 1177.248 1176.85 1177.17 Yeah . 1177.17 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1179.842 1183.376 1180.12 1183.34 Yeah even . I mean that this is really standard devices now . 1180.81 1183.34 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1184.4 1185.376 1184.42 1185.24 Um eight . 1185.24 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1187.248 1190.832 1187.66 1190.53 For uh speech recognition . 1190.53 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1193.824 1194.624 1193.85 1194.52 Okay yeah . 1194.52 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1197.552 1205.648 1197.57 1205.61 Okay so we can take this into account . So who think it would be good to go for uh like speech recognition ? 1200.1 1205.61 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1206.448 1208.064 1206.48 1207.91 But we don't have time to market . 1207.91 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1208.796 1209.978 1208.796 1209.85 Yeah it will . 1209.85 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1207.92 1211.728 1208.93 1211.57 And also how much uh I think - IS1001b B MIO012 1 1212.608 1214.06 1212.63 1213.97 I think we should contact management . 1213.97 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1213.12 1228.146 1213.21 1228.146 during the kickoff meeting you say that we we shouldn't we shouldn't go up to twelve point five Euro per unit so how many units should we sell to have a - IS1001b A MIO043 0 1221.667 1223.568 1221.69 1223.52 Euros . Yeah , yeah . 1222.46 1223.15 1223.52 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1231.616 1232.988 1231.75 1232.988 Well . Uh 1232.59 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1232.384 1235.616 1232.4 1235.58 Well each unit is is sell uh twenty five Euros . 1235.58 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1235.632 1238.048 1236.46 1237.89 Yeah but how many yeah . 1237.89 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1239.232 1245.568 1239.25 1245.53 How muc how much do you get how much do you if you buy one million units h no , one hundred thousand units . 1244.24 1245.53 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1246.576 1248.432 1246.63 1248.35 Eh chips . We're gonna need chips right . 1247.29 1248.35 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1248.24 1249.408 1248.9 1249.11 Yeah . 1249.11 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1249.456 1252.256 1249.48 1252.22 Yeah . How much will it cost for one hundred thousand ? 1250.1 1252.22 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1251.125 1255.904 1251.125 1255.7 Usually this is less tha at two dollars per chip . 1255.7 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1256.144 1256.624 1256.16 1256.57 Okay . 1256.57 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1257.584 1258.22 1257.6 1258.22 Because we are - IS1001b B MIO012 1 1257.611 1262.352 1257.67 1262.31 So you have any idea for a powerful one that has uh good enough for do speech recognition . 1262.31 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1263.056 1266.32 1263.63 1266.32 Yeah , we can 1264.96 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1264.432 1265.268 1264.48 1265.21 Yeah ? Okay . 1264.89 1265.21 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1266.4 1267.738 1266.42 1267.61 So . No it doesn't . 1267.15 1267.61 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1267.168 1273.552 1267.19 1273.51 It seems that that we want to sell like four million units from the first meeting . 1273.51 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1271.888 1273.465 1272.2 1273.35 Mm-hmm . 1273.35 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1275.136 1275.6 1275.16 1275.56 Okay . 1275.56 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1277.008 1278.272 1277.03 1278.272 Four million . 1277.72 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1278.736 1287.629 1278.76 1287.53 Okay . Maybe we can uh we can look at the new requirement I receive from the management board and discus discuss all function we want to have . 1279.24 1287.53 IS1001b D FIO074 3 1288.24 1288.432 1288.27 1288.35 Mm . 1288.35 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1290.716 1292.224 1291.18 1291.98 Um - IS1001b C MIO020 2 1293.216 1298.959 1293.79 1298.959 I just had a question uh do you want to continue with your presenta ? Is it 1298.16 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1297.376 1303.456 1298.14 1303.27 Yeah I I will continue . Well ask your question if you want . 1299.7 1303.27 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1301.696 1307.264 1301.94 1307.23 Um you say that I don't remember by heart but thirty per cent - IS1001b D FIO074 3 1307.776 1308.144 1307.81 1308.11 Mm ? 1308.11 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1308.576 1316.992 1308.6 1316.96 of the tested people say that's it's quite difficult to to to use the remote control . 1316.96 IS1001b D FIO074 3 1317.312 1317.712 1317.34 1317.68 Yeah . 1317.68 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1318.336 1325.04 1318.37 1324.99 Do they say that this is difficult but for the same reason or do they have other reason ? 1324.99 IS1001b D FIO074 3 1325.583 1328.189 1326.63 1328.01 Oh . Would j 1327.11 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1326.709 1332.592 1326.81 1332.5 To to maybe to keep in mind maybe to access to that menu you should do something like that . 1332.5 IS1001b D FIO074 3 1331.936 1342.288 1331.96 1342.288 Uh yeah w I I think they they say that it's uh difficult to learn how to use it but i when you know how to use it , it's it's okay . But 1340.55 1342.07 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1338.48 1338.908 1338.5 1338.87 Mm-hmm . 1338.87 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1340.416 1342.128 1340.44 1342.128 Mm-hmm . And 1341.87 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1340.96 1344.209 1340.98 1343.86 Okay . It's not intuitive first . 1342.13 1343.86 IS1001b D FIO074 3 1343.423 1343.92 1343.53 1343.89 Yeah . 1343.89 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1344.08 1354.218 1344.11 1354.218 But yeah maybe and what about if we design a remote control which can be configure as you want ? You say that I want , I have six button 1351.02 1352.85 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1353.424 1370.064 1353.49 1370.064 Mh-hmm . A a lot of people are uh if you have the L_C_D_ screen if you can do it completely the way you want because the buttons also look the way you want them but it will be hard to configure I mean imagine i uh so it's really something for the expert user . So 1353.94 1369.55 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1356.592 1356.976 1356.62 1356.94 Yeah . 1356.94 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1357.648 1358.032 1357.67 1357.94 Yeah . 1357.94 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1360.848 1361.152 1360.87 1361.12 Yeah . 1361.12 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1361.098 1363.472 1361.36 1363.472 But , but also it seems that 1362.26 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1365.019 1365.484 1365.1 1365.45 Yeah . 1365.45 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1365.108 1365.472 1365.17 1365.44 Yeah . 1365.44 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1369.482 1370.007 1369.5 1369.86 Okay . 1369.86 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1371.056 1390.776 1371.08 1390.68 I mean there are markets and markets . I think the young people are th uh are uh Christine here said uh you have a uh it is yeah . So for our young people uh it will be cool , they can be able to use it . Th maybe their parents will not but they will configure it . I guess . I don't know if there is study about that . 1372.29 1381.71 1384.64 1385.53 1387.87 1388.36 1390.68 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1378.0 1378.32 1378.02 1378.28 Yeah . 1378.28 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1379.888 1380.192 1379.91 1380.14 Yeah . 1380.14 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1389.376 1397.214 1389.4 1396.8 Yeah . Maybe it would be more complex to configure it to be simple than creating a simple product . 1390.24 1396.8 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1390.144 1390.521 1390.16 1390.44 Mm-hmm . 1390.44 IS1001b D FIO074 3 1391.575 1392.407 1391.91 1392.36 Mm . 1392.36 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1392.736 1393.216 1392.78 1393.17 Yeah . Yeah . 1393.0 1393.17 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1394.432 1394.672 1394.45 1394.64 Yeah . 1394.64 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1394.688 1395.14 1394.8 1394.93 Mm . 1394.93 IS1001b D FIO074 3 1394.792 1395.524 1395.2 1395.34 Mm . 1395.34 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1396.592 1405.328 1396.61 1405.21 And there are another thing is that if we make something that's simple and easy to use that's bas to use immediately that means that it will be exactly the same as everything else . All right ? 1404.95 1405.21 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1396.286 1397.174 1396.81 1397.03 Yeah . 1397.03 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1404.656 1405.856 1404.68 1405.82 Yeah . Yeah . 1405.65 1405.82 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1406.752 1411.484 1406.77 1411.45 Otherwise , if it's different then of course everybody has somebody has to learn to use it first . 1407.28 1411.45 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1410.925 1412.015 1411.64 1411.77 Yeah . 1411.77 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1411.568 1436.48 1411.66 1436.45 Yeah . But also we we see that that most people find it find remote controls too complex because they have too many buttons and they mainly use only channels and volume buttons . So we may just uh make a very easy to use remote control with mainly those buttons and maybe also um 1412.31 1426.06 IS1001b D FIO074 3 1423.648 1423.856 1423.67 1423.8 Mm . 1423.8 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1423.802 1424.647 1423.93 1424.49 Mm-hmm . 1424.49 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1433.456 1433.872 1433.5 1433.83 Yeah . 1433.83 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1437.648 1439.6 1437.69 1439.55 some lightning stuff too - IS1001b A MIO043 0 1440.96 1446.145 1440.98 1446.02 because most people find also hard to to find the remote control . 1446.02 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1447.024 1448.832 1447.06 1448.8 Losed lose it etcetera . 1448.8 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1446.94 1447.696 1447.07 1447.57 Mm-hmm . 1447.57 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1450.864 1465.712 1450.95 1465.68 These these are these two points are the main frustrations so maybe if we design something very simple and easy to uh find when lost it will uh add uh a serious competitive advantage - IS1001b A MIO043 0 1467.312 1470.928 1467.33 1470.89 without making something too complex and too long to develop . 1470.89 IS1001b D FIO074 3 1467.198 1468.024 1467.36 1467.87 Mm . 1467.87 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1471.84 1472.208 1471.87 1472.17 Mm-hmm . 1472.17 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1472.624 1495.632 1472.97 1495.632 So but le let us see first the new requirement . So we don't have to so this this uh is uh is um in the this is in the same direction as we were speaking so we don't have to make a very complex remote controls to access teletext and stuff like that 1476.87 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1494.468 1496.304 1494.49 1496.26 But teletext is just one button . 1496.26 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1497.216 1503.521 1497.24 1503.47 Yeah but then you have to you have to define the buttons to surf amongst pages and stuff . 1503.47 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1501.888 1504.608 1501.91 1504.57 You you just write the write the numbers . 1504.57 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1505.152 1505.44 1505.17 1505.41 Yeah . 1505.41 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1506.992 1507.712 1507.01 1507.712 So well - IS1001b B MIO012 1 1506.908 1509.856 1507.05 1509.82 So will you add with the channel keys , right ? 1509.59 1509.82 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1510.32 1520.195 1510.34 1520.16 Yeah . So anyway we don't have to include this feature because it's it's not used any more by users , they prefer to s 1511.36 1518.62 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1510.992 1511.296 1511.01 1511.24 So . 1511.24 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1520.08 1525.088 1520.1 1525.05 I am . I'm sure that uh it don't like but uh I don't see just one button . 1520.63 1525.05 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1525.824 1538.0 1525.88 1537.97 Yeah . I dunno . If i one button is still one more button . If if if we want to make it very simple we have to reduce number of buttons compared to th to our competitors . 1527.07 1528.57 1531.81 1537.97 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1526.816 1527.104 1526.84 1527.05 So . 1527.05 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1538.976 1539.344 1539.01 1539.3 Mm-hmm . 1539.3 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1540.048 1555.376 1540.07 1555.34 Well anyway I have this point . We can discuss . Also um so as as I told before uh it would be better if it's only for the T_V_ um 1542.02 1543.39 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1557.12 1560.064 1557.14 1560.02 because we want to be quick on on the market . 1560.02 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1561.84 1568.704 1561.86 1568.67 And then also we have to make very uh uh clear that this uh - IS1001b A MIO043 0 1569.84 1585.712 1569.86 1585.68 this remote control is is part of of our products and show our corporate uh logo and and colours on the on the design as well so that uh they identify it as one of our product . 1585.68 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1586.832 1589.376 1587.27 1589.04 So this is the the key point . 1589.04 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1590.377 1607.68 1590.48 1607.65 So before uh finishing we can uh define uh what would be the characteristic of the o th of the control of the remote control and which button do we need which function do we want etcetera . 1607.65 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1607.968 1610.224 1608.03 1609.75 Capital . 1609.75 IS1001b D FIO074 3 1608.128 1608.427 1608.18 1608.24 Mm . 1608.24 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1611.808 1612.512 1611.86 1612.48 So - IS1001b A MIO043 0 1613.776 1621.472 1613.8 1621.44 do you um so so from from the the Marketing Expert I think - IS1001b A MIO043 0 1622.656 1640.178 1622.68 1640.08 a key aspect is the easy to use aspect , it should be very simple and most button are never used only ten per cent of the button are are used often so I think we have to do something very simple and I think we all agree on that point , no ? 1626.66 1639.71 1640.08 IS1001b D FIO074 3 1627.019 1627.697 1627.18 1627.64 Mm . 1627.64 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1639.584 1640.048 1639.63 1640.0 Mm-hmm . 1640.0 IS1001b D FIO074 3 1640.016 1640.24 1640.04 1640.18 Mm . 1640.18 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1640.384 1643.456 1640.4 1643.42 Well if it is going to be just a T_V_ remote control it is going to be very simple . 1643.42 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1643.872 1648.112 1643.89 1648.06 Yeah okay . So yeah the key point here is simple . 1645.11 1648.06 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1650.288 1654.384 1650.31 1654.19 Maybe . So few buttons , channel , 1651.72 1653.28 1654.19 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1655.504 1656.624 1655.52 1656.58 volume control - IS1001b A MIO043 0 1657.68 1660.208 1657.7 1660.04 and what el what function do you see - IS1001b B MIO012 1 1660.816 1665.68 1660.84 1665.64 Well if it's going to be as simple as possible then just have the remote control , there is no other function that I can see 1664.22 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1661.2 1662.144 1661.22 1662.02 in addition to that ? 1662.02 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1666.752 1667.206 1666.82 1667.07 really . 1667.07 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1666.928 1670.416 1666.95 1670.416 Yeah . Maybe switch T_V_ on and off 1667.53 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1669.632 1678.368 1669.632 1678.22 Uh no you want to keep television on so that the advertising can revenue can come back to us . Or something . 1677.36 1678.22 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1675.106 1684.688 1675.106 1684.62 Yeah . Yeah . Volume , maybe a mute button , and then on off button . 1678.66 1678.98 1680.22 1682.29 1684.62 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1683.52 1683.913 1683.55 1683.88 Mm . 1683.88 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1686.112 1686.752 1686.13 1686.72 And that's all ? 1686.72 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1687.168 1693.344 1687.63 1693.3 Uh I know that som you say that many people are doing plenty of a lot of zapping . 1693.3 IS1001b D FIO074 3 1693.504 1694.016 1693.57 1693.93 Mm-hmm . 1693.93 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1693.296 1694.288 1694.04 1694.23 Mm . 1694.23 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1694.368 1707.68 1694.71 1707.64 I know tha I discovered that when I did a quick look , uh they do now som they do something which is quite nice now , you have a button , you you press it , and this is uh the previous channel which has come back . 1698.79 1702.86 1703.8 1704.83 1707.64 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1702.758 1704.368 1702.86 1704.33 It's a memory , yeah . 1704.08 1704.33 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1706.293 1726.08 1706.78 1726.03 Okay . Yeah this is cool . Maybe we can include that also . Previous previous channel button . So we have like channel button , the previous channel button , the volume button , plus a mute button , and uh just the the traditional on off button . 1707.63 1708.75 1710.23 1713.58 1715.97 1717.65 1718.49 1721.13 1726.03 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1717.568 1718.305 1717.67 1718.15 Mm-hmm . 1718.15 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1720.416 1720.8 1720.45 1720.75 Mm-hmm . 1720.75 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1725.2 1726.384 1725.23 1726.384 Mm-hmm . 1726.28 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1725.56 1728.411 1725.62 1728.34 And uh and of course the channel changing buttons . 1728.34 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1729.312 1731.0 1729.33 1730.91 Yeah . I I talk about that , yeah ? 1729.75 1730.74 1730.91 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1730.064 1736.752 1730.08 1736.66 How should they how should we implement that ? Because uh could be numerical only or could be also incremental . 1733.21 1736.66 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1737.488 1743.04 1737.51 1742.91 Yeah . Incremental definitely because zapping you you switch them . 1738.75 1742.91 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1742.192 1742.56 1742.22 1742.52 Mm-hmm . 1742.52 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1742.784 1752.0 1742.8 1751.96 Let's say that we can do something like that . This is uh incremental , but once you press it for a long time , you go five by five . 1744.98 1747.82 1750.49 1751.96 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1754.176 1755.024 1754.21 1754.92 We go faster ? 1754.92 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1754.132 1756.16 1754.33 1756.08 To go fa to go faster . 1756.08 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1758.0 1758.4 1758.03 1758.37 Mm . 1758.37 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1758.32 1772.88 1758.34 1772.85 Mm . It's an interesting idea , that if you press it for a long time it does something else , in general . So if you you have your ten buttons for the for the numeric the numerical buttons and you have instead of having just one memory 1758.73 1760.58 1763.61 1764.59 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1773.296 1773.52 1773.32 1773.49 Yeah . 1773.49 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1773.92 1776.256 1773.94 1776.256 you have if you press them for a long time - IS1001b B MIO012 1 1777.312 1779.6 1777.35 1779.43 No . Doesn't work does it . 1777.76 1779.43 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1780.523 1784.81 1781.21 1784.81 Maybe we should have also a digit button - IS1001b B MIO012 1 1784.176 1791.744 1784.2 1791.7 Maybe we should have a complete keyboard and just type console commands . Change channel to eight . 1790.76 1791.7 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1790.56 1790.939 1790.58 1790.83 Yeah . 1790.83 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1792.096 1802.24 1792.096 1802.24 Maybe we have also to have digits or only incremental . I dunno bec because if you have the 1800.55 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1792.896 1794.864 1793.78 1794.864 No . 1794.74 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1801.313 1809.072 1801.53 1809.01 Well if it's useful like if if you want to change between three channels for example then you h you cannot you cannot cannot work with just memory being incremental . 1809.01 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1805.888 1806.192 1805.96 1806.12 Uh . 1806.12 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1809.888 1835.536 1809.91 1835.5 Yeah . Because you have your previous channel button if you have incremental only it's not uh it isn't worth it because the previous channel is eith either minus one or plus one . So I think we need also digits . Maybe we we can make very obvious the channel and volume button button and smaller button down there with the the digits . 1810.26 1822.55 1825.91 1835.5 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1815.008 1815.328 1815.03 1815.28 Yeah . 1815.28 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1820.965 1824.218 1820.99 1824.218 Yeah . Yeah . 1822.22 1823.76 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1825.232 1825.616 1825.27 1825.57 Okay . 1825.57 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1836.096 1841.556 1836.12 1841.556 Yeah when you zap usually you will have to press the same button all the time and - IS1001b A MIO043 0 1839.84 1840.096 1839.86 1840.06 Yeah . 1840.06 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1841.168 1853.328 1841.168 1853.29 Or we can do something like that . We can design the remote control to have access . You know some remote control have uh protection and so you you y 1843.18 1846.54 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1843.252 1843.842 1843.35 1843.62 Yeah . 1843.62 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1850.464 1850.845 1850.49 1850.81 Mm-hmm . 1850.81 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1854.096 1854.448 1854.12 1854.41 Yeah . 1854.41 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1854.544 1864.112 1854.56 1864.08 Hey I just thought this thing there is a I mean you know there is are some with a wheel like this . Instead of having the up down buttons for uh you can have the wheel . Yeah . 1859.71 1863.75 1864.08 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1854.457 1855.194 1854.61 1855.194 You - IS1001b A MIO043 0 1861.52 1861.856 1861.54 1861.82 Yeah . 1861.82 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1862.08 1863.578 1862.1 1863.51 Yeah , a kind of joystick . 1862.43 1863.51 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1864.08 1876.176 1864.39 1876.14 Yeah . Maybe we can have a wheel for incremental . Okay . So have a wheel for incremental , have the digits uh on the lower side that can be closed so as you say protected , 1864.7 1867.54 1868.08 1870.21 1876.14 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1867.504 1867.893 1867.52 1867.85 Yeah . 1867.85 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1874.872 1875.472 1874.98 1875.44 Mm-hmm . 1875.44 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1876.416 1876.832 1876.44 1876.8 Mm-hmm . 1876.8 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1878.092 1881.347 1878.092 1881.23 and uh yeah I think this is the basi - IS1001b B MIO012 1 1880.592 1886.182 1880.61 1885.92 On the lower side I think it you have to turn it . No ? If we do that . 1883.94 1884.29 1885.92 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1881.808 1885.952 1884.07 1885.952 And do we do we have a - IS1001b C MIO020 2 1885.274 1891.172 1885.58 1891.172 Or a or a ball , yeah , not a a wheel but a ball , and you say uh to 1886.56 1887.17 1889.37 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1889.168 1895.152 1890.25 1895.152 No , a wheel is better . I would say the wheel is better . What is the expert of uh 1890.46 1891.57 1893.37 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1890.466 1891.248 1890.88 1891.21 Yeah . 1891.21 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1892.591 1894.641 1892.82 1894.641 Because of that - IS1001b C MIO020 2 1895.104 1895.424 1895.13 1895.39 Yeah . 1895.39 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1895.44 1906.976 1895.48 1906.88 Because it's uh it's it's not like a volume which is smooth yeah ? The channels change one by one . So you have to the user has to like to should feel the the the discrete sense a bit . 1898.65 1900.78 1906.88 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1900.224 1900.512 1900.25 1900.48 Yeah . 1900.48 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1904.48 1905.744 1904.5 1905.71 Yeah , the yeah . 1904.84 1905.71 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1905.664 1910.432 1905.69 1910.33 Okay . Yeah . That's a good idea . 1907.4 1908.13 1910.33 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1907.984 1908.338 1908.0 1908.19 Yeah . 1908.19 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1911.696 1919.472 1912.21 1919.44 Well also we have to decide uh so it should be lightening in the dark I think because most people lost their remote control . 1919.44 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1918.771 1924.262 1918.79 1924.15 'S quite it's quite easy we do that w with back light on the on the wheel . 1924.15 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1920.704 1921.232 1920.72 1921.14 Okay . 1921.14 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1922.531 1927.996 1922.78 1927.81 Yeah . Even if i L_E_D_ uh or a if if it's the L_C_D_ feature uh whatever , yeah . 1923.5 1927.43 1927.81 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1925.76 1928.69 1925.79 1928.61 A blue a blue L_E_D_ and we sell that um . 1928.61 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1927.342 1935.552 1927.48 1935.52 Yeah , and do we put an L_C_D_ display ? Because it was important for young customers if you remember . 1928.31 1931.14 1935.52 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1928.645 1929.175 1928.82 1929.0 Yeah . 1929.0 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1934.962 1945.481 1934.962 1945.4 I think it's only put on if cou have multi function . If you do not multi function then there is no p point in having L_C_D_ . Just increase the cost . The user does not have an advantage really . 1938.51 1942.09 1943.88 1945.4 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1938.464 1938.688 1938.48 1938.65 Yeah . 1938.65 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1943.008 1943.968 1943.57 1943.93 Okay . 1943.93 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1945.264 1946.56 1945.28 1946.48 So no L_C_D_ ? 1946.48 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1946.56 1947.04 1946.59 1946.98 Mm-hmm . 1946.98 IS1001b D FIO074 3 1946.568 1947.193 1946.75 1946.97 Hmm . 1946.97 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1947.776 1954.026 1947.8 1953.67 And so no speech as well because it w it would delay too much the development process . 1953.67 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1952.267 1952.826 1952.32 1952.78 Okay . 1952.78 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1952.568 1960.912 1952.81 1960.85 Well if it's going to delay yeah but uh it will be cool . It would . Because a user could say C_N_N_ for example and it would go C_N_N_ . Mm . 1956.01 1956.66 1960.46 1960.85 IS1001b D FIO074 3 1958.816 1959.12 1958.84 1959.04 Mm-hmm . 1959.04 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1959.04 1964.736 1960.94 1964.736 Yeah . That would be cool . But eight months is really long and 1961.3 1962.3 IS1001b B MIO012 1 1962.496 1962.832 1962.62 1962.8 Yeah . 1962.8 IS1001b A MIO043 0 1966.144 1967.824 1966.16 1967.824 Maybe we can just uh - IS1001b C MIO020 2 1968.4 1972.928 1968.4 1972.928 Ten years - IS1001b A MIO043 0 1972.72 2004.496 1972.9 2004.46 Okay . So um I I will uh I will so I we will move to next meeting so in after the lunch break uh here are the individual uh action uh you are required to do but you will be uh recalled to the actions by uh email I think but you can take notes if you if you want but well the instruction will be sent . So 1973.77 2003.85 IS1001b C MIO020 2 1986.18 1986.988 1986.33 1986.64 Mm-hmm . 1986.64 IS1001b A MIO043 0 2005.52 2039.456 2005.54 2039.42 thank you for uh your suggestion and I I will make a summary of that meeting that I will put in the shared folder you can't see and uh and then you will um you will be able to to see what has been uh has been said on on this meeting and and what has been decided . Uh maybe for next meeting uh send me your presentation before by email so that we can see them uh altogether . That would be easier . 2029.06 2038.63 2039.42 IS1001b C MIO020 2 2006.885 2007.232 2006.91 2007.2 Okay . 2007.2 IS1001b C MIO020 2 2013.052 2014.64 2013.19 2014.61 Okay . Okay . 2014.24 2014.61 IS1001b B MIO012 1 2038.08 2042.4 2038.23 2042.37 Yeah . What is the folder that you put yours in ? And did it it did work ? 2039.38 2041.43 2042.37 IS1001b D FIO074 3 2038.768 2038.976 2038.8 2038.92 Mm . 2038.92 IS1001b D FIO074 3 2042.208 2043.104 2042.208 2043.06 No . 2043.06 IS1001b A MIO043 0 2043.312 2046.097 2043.33 2046.04 No it did not work . She send it to me by email . 2044.24 2046.04 IS1001b D FIO074 3 2043.426 2046.224 2043.66 2046.11 No no . I dunno , I dunno it . 2044.84 2045.59 2046.11 IS1001b B MIO012 1 2044.491 2045.784 2044.59 2045.72 Ah yeah . Mm . 2045.51 2045.72 IS1001b B MIO012 1 2046.848 2047.6 2046.9 2047.44 Okay . 2047.44 IS1001b A MIO043 0 2047.28 2061.632 2047.62 2061.56 So maybe this is better , to send it by email . Okay ? So yeah I I'm it's in the first uh email so I'm participant one at AMI uh where is that , it's here . 2048.98 2050.34 2051.89 2061.0 2061.56 IS1001b B MIO012 1 2050.208 2051.472 2050.23 2051.22 Okay what is your email ? 2051.22 IS1001b B MIO012 1 2057.232 2058.848 2057.26 2058.8 At participant one . Okay . 2058.42 2058.8 IS1001b A MIO043 0 2062.928 2064.656 2062.95 2064.61 Participant one at AMI . 2064.61 IS1001b A MIO043 0 2067.584 2068.224 2067.584 2068.16 Okay . 2068.16 IS1001b A MIO043 0 2069.472 2071.776 2069.51 2071.66 So see you after lunch break . 2071.66 IS1001b D FIO074 3 2072.347 2074.129 2072.66 2074.01 'Kay thank you . 2074.01 IS1001b B MIO012 1 2072.736 2075.104 2072.77 2075.104 Well during lunch break actually . 2074.9 IS1001b B MIO012 1 2087.11 2088.759 2087.3 2088.58 So next time we should have a fight . 2088.58 IS1001b B MIO012 1 2090.865 2092.863 2090.88 2092.53 How about uh management or something . 2092.53 IS1001b B MIO012 1 2094.487 2096.451 2094.86 2096.14 Who happens to be your friend . 2096.14 IS1001c A MIO043 0 31.057 31.902 31.057 31.84 Okay . 31.84 IS1001c C MIO012 2 32.34 32.795 32.45 32.72 Mm-hmm . 32.72 IS1001c A MIO043 0 33.058 36.992 33.23 36.92 So we are here for the concept design meeting . 36.92 IS1001c A MIO043 0 38.928 46.912 38.95 46.71 So , we will first start by summarizing the mm the previous meeting and the decision we've taken . 39.79 46.71 IS1001c A MIO043 0 48.288 57.904 48.31 57.85 Uh I will take notes during this meeting so uh that you can uh look at my uh folder to see the summary of this meeting afterwards . 57.85 IS1001c A MIO043 0 59.056 70.726 59.08 70.69 So each of you will uh show us the various investigation they've done during uh previous uh hours . 70.69 IS1001c A MIO043 0 72.592 84.806 72.61 84.53 We'll then t take decision in concert and then uh uh we will uh define the nest next task , to have to be done before the next meeting . 81.96 84.53 IS1001c A MIO043 0 85.328 90.736 85.55 90.7 So , last time we decided to have a simple interface . 86.13 90.7 IS1001c A MIO043 0 91.872 107.776 91.89 107.72 We also decided to have a wheel to change channel previous channel button . Channel digit uh buttons should be uh protected by plastic cover or something for the remote control to look very simple . 97.79 107.72 IS1001c A MIO043 0 108.731 113.264 108.75 113.23 We have also button for volume , and to switch on off the T_V_ . 110.91 113.23 IS1001c A MIO043 0 115.424 129.44 115.44 129.41 We have also uh the lightening feature for the remote control to be easy to find , and for fast development and low cost we have decided to have no L_C_D_ no voice features . 121.4 129.41 IS1001c A MIO043 0 131.072 156.535 131.09 156.46 So now uh we will have three presentations . So the conceptual specification by Industrial Designer , the specification of the U_I_ by or U_I_ okay . And uh the last point is uh trend watching by Market Expert . 135.18 140.2 150.65 156.46 IS1001c C MIO012 2 145.298 148.096 145.32 147.7 Abdul al-Hasred is my name . 147.7 IS1001c A MIO043 0 157.209 161.232 157.29 161.19 So maybe we can start with uh industrial design . 161.19 IS1001c A MIO043 0 164.0 167.744 164.02 167.64 So this is the presentation . 167.64 IS1001c B MIO020 1 167.664 169.024 167.74 168.97 Uh , I_D_ you want ? 168.17 168.97 IS1001c A MIO043 0 172.896 175.631 172.92 175.58 Maybe I can switch slide uh on your request . 175.58 IS1001c B MIO020 1 174.111 174.567 174.25 174.53 Yeah . 174.53 IS1001c B MIO020 1 175.36 179.2 175.38 179.2 I only v have three slides , so . I just look at the mm 176.92 177.43 IS1001c B MIO020 1 180.304 182.128 180.36 182.09 um just this . 182.09 IS1001c B MIO020 1 183.328 190.892 183.37 190.86 On some web pages to find some documentation and I think a remote control is , as I s mentioned previously , 188.84 190.86 IS1001c A MIO043 0 185.2 185.472 185.22 185.44 Yeah . 185.44 IS1001c B MIO020 1 191.417 199.317 191.44 199.28 you just have a a very simple chip and the mm the user interface is just done usually by push button - IS1001c B MIO020 1 199.589 204.089 199.61 204.05 and in our case we are using a um a wheel control . 204.05 IS1001c B MIO020 1 204.44 216.45 204.46 216.41 So uh uh I was looking basically for that chip , which is uh very very standard , and uh I just looked for the wheel sensor and the standard push button . 210.44 212.63 216.41 IS1001c B MIO020 1 216.999 238.096 217.02 238.06 And um yeah we can change directly . In fact I have the number of that element which is very standard for remote control . The push button are usually extremely cheap , but I just have one problem and this is related with the wheel sensor , which seems to be quite expensive . 221.34 229.13 232.27 236.11 238.06 IS1001c A MIO043 0 221.196 221.631 221.29 221.54 Yeah . 221.54 IS1001c A MIO043 0 238.784 239.408 238.83 239.37 Okay . 239.37 IS1001c C MIO012 2 238.8 239.184 238.84 239.13 Mm-hmm . 239.13 IS1001c B MIO020 1 239.344 249.552 239.36 249.52 And I think we if we could just talk about that if we really need a wheel sensor or if we can not if if we could combine something with the push button . 249.52 IS1001c A MIO043 0 250.832 251.312 250.86 251.26 Okay . 251.26 IS1001c B MIO020 1 251.488 257.088 251.51 257.04 Uh a wheel sensor is fifty time the price of a a a push button . 257.04 IS1001c C MIO012 2 251.494 251.949 251.72 251.81 Yeah . 251.81 IS1001c A MIO043 0 257.136 268.288 257.16 268.17 But is it a significant price on the whole remote control ? Because we can afford up to twelve Euros for the price of the remote control . 263.27 268.17 IS1001c C MIO012 2 257.167 257.693 257.34 257.66 Mm . 257.66 IS1001c B MIO020 1 263.352 263.737 263.47 263.7 Yeah . 263.7 IS1001c B MIO020 1 268.512 270.414 269.01 270.414 Yeah I I th - IS1001c A MIO043 0 269.443 280.569 269.64 280.41 So will will will this with uh including all possible things , so buttons , wheel and the chip , be uh lower than twelve Euros to produce ? 274.46 275.35 277.48 280.41 IS1001c B MIO020 1 280.32 283.264 280.35 283.264 But I don't think that uh we should - IS1001c B MIO020 1 285.056 290.269 285.08 290.269 We should talk about uh the design of the box also which needs some money . But 289.77 IS1001c C MIO012 2 286.263 287.015 286.43 286.96 Yeah . 286.96 IS1001c A MIO043 0 288.272 288.704 288.29 288.67 Okay - IS1001c C MIO012 2 288.928 294.24 288.95 294.19 Also have to say Did you receive the email about the voice recognition ? 294.19 IS1001c B MIO020 1 295.584 300.18 296.02 300.09 Um that's all yeah . I haven't chec 299.42 IS1001c C MIO012 2 298.08 298.512 298.11 298.47 No ? 298.47 IS1001c A MIO043 0 299.12 300.352 299.14 300.352 You received something - IS1001c C MIO012 2 300.32 307.44 300.4 307.41 Yeah . You we uh an email from the manufacturing division that they have basically a voice recognition chip already developed . 300.74 307.41 IS1001c A MIO043 0 308.496 309.056 308.6 308.99 Hmm . 308.99 IS1001c C MIO012 2 308.619 309.266 308.7 309.266 Says - IS1001c C MIO012 2 310.336 320.672 310.36 320.672 Yeah . It says that ri right now they just use it to uh to record uh answers to particular questions . But I guess it could be 311.61 318.87 IS1001c A MIO043 0 319.515 321.76 319.76 321.67 And could it be adapted ? 321.67 IS1001c C MIO012 2 321.84 329.123 321.9 328.99 I guess it's possible . I mean instead of recording the answers you can just uh record uh something simpler like a command . 322.66 328.99 IS1001c A MIO043 0 328.096 331.099 328.12 331.05 Okay and there can uh recognize some commands and stuff ? 331.05 IS1001c C MIO012 2 330.544 336.272 330.56 336.24 Yeah you reco recognize commands and you can record new commands and stuff , so if they already have it as uh as a chip 333.99 IS1001c A MIO043 0 334.478 335.227 334.73 335.19 Okay . 335.19 IS1001c A MIO043 0 337.232 337.584 337.25 337.55 Yeah . 337.55 IS1001c C MIO012 2 337.249 338.4 337.4 338.33 then we we could use it . 338.33 IS1001c A MIO043 0 338.688 346.499 338.71 346.43 Okay maybe we can just uh listen to this presentation and then take decision later on according to those news . 346.43 IS1001c C MIO012 2 344.08 344.496 344.11 344.46 Okay . 344.46 IS1001c B MIO020 1 344.416 357.008 344.45 356.8 Mm-hmm . Yeah but I think it's yeah Sorry , I haven't written my personal references . Um the I I just want to mention the the problem of the the r 345.45 348.23 350.9 IS1001c B MIO020 1 358.0 364.845 358.08 364.74 wheels sensor which is much more expensive than any push button , and if we could reduce that . 362.52 364.74 IS1001c A MIO043 0 362.4 362.832 362.42 362.8 Okay . 362.8 IS1001c B MIO020 1 365.616 374.848 365.64 374.8 We we have already some good things uh with um um with the backlight of the push button . 374.8 IS1001c C MIO012 2 365.655 365.97 365.71 365.94 Mm-hmm . 365.94 IS1001c C MIO012 2 375.056 380.608 375.27 380.52 I have a question about that actually . Um , what is the purpose of the light ? 377.68 379.33 380.52 IS1001c B MIO020 1 381.792 389.305 381.81 389.305 Just to to make something which is uh slightly more design that uh a squarey box with a rubber - IS1001c C MIO012 2 386.784 387.12 386.81 387.12 Is - IS1001c A MIO043 0 387.792 390.768 387.81 390.71 You can easily find the button in the dark or so ? 390.71 IS1001c C MIO012 2 389.385 390.138 389.54 390.138 But - IS1001c C MIO012 2 390.688 392.88 390.71 392.88 But in th in the dark uh - IS1001c C MIO012 2 393.984 396.592 394.0 396.47 Yeah but is going to be always turned on , the light ? 396.12 396.47 IS1001c A MIO043 0 397.952 403.2 397.97 403.17 It will be turned on when the when the user move the remote control I think , no ? 402.89 403.17 IS1001c C MIO012 2 403.024 405.392 403.04 405.22 But if you move it then you have it , you don't need to find it . 404.33 405.22 IS1001c A MIO043 0 405.455 406.08 405.63 406.05 Hmm . 406.05 IS1001c C MIO012 2 407.712 410.304 407.73 410.27 You can see the buttons better , of course . Yeah . 408.78 410.0 410.27 IS1001c A MIO043 0 409.632 411.232 409.65 411.2 Yeah . Yeah . 410.92 411.2 IS1001c A MIO043 0 412.496 413.584 412.52 413.55 Yeah . True . 413.24 413.55 IS1001c B MIO020 1 414.464 415.422 414.51 415.23 Yeah . Actually . 414.88 415.23 IS1001c C MIO012 2 414.976 420.368 415.02 420.3 But if you move it then you have to have some sensor to when you move it to detect your movement . 420.3 IS1001c B MIO020 1 422.064 425.744 422.1 425.55 As soon as you thought to move the the remote control you have the light . 425.55 IS1001c C MIO012 2 426.272 428.4 426.3 428.35 Yeah , but you need another sensor for that , right ? 426.75 428.14 428.35 IS1001c B MIO020 1 429.072 430.368 429.09 430.28 Yeah . Again . 429.92 430.28 IS1001c C MIO012 2 430.32 433.52 430.35 433.49 Yeah no it's too expensive . 433.49 IS1001c B MIO020 1 437.344 449.344 437.36 449.344 I don't think that this is really expensive , but at the end this is plenty of unexpen eh very cheap devices but uh the bill starts to be 439.22 IS1001c C MIO012 2 439.228 439.735 439.26 439.59 Okay . 439.59 IS1001c C MIO012 2 441.872 442.222 441.91 442.11 Mm . 442.11 IS1001c C MIO012 2 444.656 445.968 444.74 445.93 Extra . Yeah , okay . 445.55 445.7 445.93 IS1001c C MIO012 2 447.125 447.492 447.22 447.36 Mm . 447.36 IS1001c C MIO012 2 449.392 454.208 449.41 454.17 Yeah , but I expected also the wheel would be cheap but you tell me that it is very expensive so , yeah . 449.62 453.93 454.17 IS1001c B MIO020 1 453.504 467.348 453.504 467.348 First of all I was thinking to have a a continuous light and you w when t you you you you press the on button you have the light on your remote control , when you want to turn off your device 464.18 IS1001c C MIO012 2 461.755 462.07 461.9 462.0 Mm . 462.0 IS1001c C MIO012 2 464.066 464.592 464.23 464.56 Mm-hmm . 464.56 IS1001c A MIO043 0 466.672 469.904 466.69 469.87 But it can be uh battery consuming , no ? 469.57 469.87 IS1001c A MIO043 0 471.504 472.976 471.52 472.94 To have the light always on ? 472.94 IS1001c B MIO020 1 471.519 473.171 471.6 473.06 Yeah , a little bit . 471.7 473.06 IS1001c B MIO020 1 474.272 475.008 474.33 474.97 A little bit . 474.97 IS1001c C MIO012 2 474.509 474.86 474.53 474.8 Mm . 474.8 IS1001c A MIO043 0 475.472 478.064 475.54 477.87 Well we will discuss that after maybe - IS1001c B MIO020 1 478.144 478.352 478.16 478.31 Yeah . 478.31 IS1001c C MIO012 2 478.304 483.664 478.38 483.61 Okay . So uh my one , it uh should be in the shared folder . 479.23 480.72 483.61 IS1001c A MIO043 0 479.168 480.46 479.19 480.4 the other presentations . 480.4 IS1001c A MIO043 0 484.048 484.384 484.07 484.35 Yeah . 484.35 IS1001c C MIO012 2 484.061 484.359 484.22 484.28 So . 484.28 IS1001c C MIO012 2 486.08 487.152 486.12 487.03 It was last time I saw it . 487.03 IS1001c A MIO043 0 490.235 491.088 490.26 491.04 And it is . 491.04 IS1001c C MIO012 2 496.544 496.976 496.58 496.93 Okay . 496.93 IS1001c C MIO012 2 501.376 504.752 501.4 504.72 So , just move to the next slide . 502.36 504.72 IS1001c A MIO043 0 502.086 502.737 502.16 502.63 Okay . 502.63 IS1001c C MIO012 2 506.224 513.502 506.224 513.32 So basically want very simple , right ? That's the major idea , as simple as possible . 510.27 511.08 512.53 513.32 IS1001c A MIO043 0 512.672 513.744 512.69 513.7 Yeah . Yeah . 513.47 513.7 IS1001c C MIO012 2 514.29 531.293 514.31 531.22 So I just look at some current designs uh on the web , of usually more complicated remote controls . And let's look at two of them because uh th even though they have many buttons they look quite simple . And in our case we just uh reject the buttons what we don't need and it become even simpler . 518.34 521.34 526.13 531.22 IS1001c A MIO043 0 530.096 530.566 530.12 530.5 Yeah . 530.5 IS1001c C MIO012 2 532.168 533.184 532.24 533.15 Um . So . 533.02 533.15 IS1001c A MIO043 0 533.104 540.147 533.12 539.93 And also does it uh fit well in hand ? Because it was uh th your wrist problem with the usage . 536.0 539.93 IS1001c C MIO012 2 537.968 543.6 537.99 543.56 Yeah . Well this these uh these remotes are quite big , so go to the next page , so . 538.99 541.57 543.26 543.56 IS1001c C MIO012 2 545.024 548.944 545.07 548.89 We have all these buttons as you can see , but most of them , we just need the ones in the middle . 546.44 547.54 548.89 IS1001c A MIO043 0 546.953 547.484 547.02 547.41 Yeah . 547.41 IS1001c B MIO020 1 549.659 550.062 549.68 549.99 Yeah . 549.99 IS1001c A MIO043 0 549.744 550.128 549.76 550.0 Yeah . 550.0 IS1001c C MIO012 2 550.0 568.064 550.02 567.96 So , from the bottom or whatever is there , uh the uh the numbers and then the top , uh until the ten also , this middle part , and on the left one is exactly the same . So it's basically more or less how we would like it , with a big volume control , big channel control , and mute and power , yeah ? These are the basic thing . 550.88 553.79 556.39 557.81 558.99 560.44 562.75 563.9 565.38 566.47 567.22 567.96 IS1001c A MIO043 0 553.615 553.888 553.64 553.85 Yeah . 553.85 IS1001c A MIO043 0 558.864 559.088 558.88 559.05 Yeah . 559.05 IS1001c A MIO043 0 566.982 569.808 567.03 569.74 Yeah . So it's only the central part . 568.14 569.74 IS1001c C MIO012 2 569.984 574.208 570.0 574.16 So basically , w software we will build will look more or less the same as these two . 570.84 574.16 IS1001c A MIO043 0 574.448 580.096 574.47 580.06 Yeah . With a maybe a more ergonomic design on on the bottom part . 574.74 580.06 IS1001c C MIO012 2 579.04 592.198 579.08 592.16 Yeah , if you have , for example I think that the volume and the buttons that are there on the top are not very easy to reach with your thumb . It could be on the right side , for example . Yeah . Because we don't have these input buttons and this other stuff that they have . 579.32 579.78 585.48 587.19 588.46 589.4 592.16 IS1001c A MIO043 0 585.552 585.904 585.58 585.87 Yeah . 585.87 IS1001c A MIO043 0 587.84 588.544 588.06 588.51 Okay . 588.51 IS1001c C MIO012 2 592.688 596.715 592.74 596.68 And I think that the plastic cover is not very good uh idea because - IS1001c A MIO043 0 595.392 595.808 595.41 595.77 Okay . 595.77 IS1001c C MIO012 2 597.276 606.118 597.3 606.07 you open it , it can break , you ca you can do various things . Uh you just need to put the channel numbers somewhere a bit out of the way . 597.72 598.57 601.05 606.07 IS1001c A MIO043 0 601.12 602.624 601.14 602.5 Okay . S 602.34 IS1001c A MIO043 0 607.04 610.304 607.06 609.6 Okay . Will be down or Okay . 607.81 609.6 IS1001c C MIO012 2 607.607 617.216 607.72 617.15 So that they're separate a bit , yeah . Uh and it's easy to press the other the big buttons , but uh , it's not that difficult to press the the channel buttons either . 609.16 610.26 612.77 614.76 617.15 IS1001c C MIO012 2 618.24 622.56 618.27 622.52 Mm . Yeah , I think that if you put the cover it will be even more difficult for the user . 619.49 619.61 622.52 IS1001c A MIO043 0 622.736 623.312 622.76 623.27 Okay . 623.27 IS1001c C MIO012 2 625.104 638.144 625.15 638.07 Alright , you won't yeah . Usually what I have noticed that people put the plastic cover on things that you normally don't mess with , like buttons for t uh tuning the channels and stuff like that . Yeah . That you want to protect a bit . 625.48 627.24 632.2 636.46 637.06 638.07 IS1001c A MIO043 0 634.688 635.347 634.71 635.25 Okay . 635.25 IS1001c C MIO012 2 639.584 641.456 639.6 641.34 And I think it's uh it's reasonable . 641.34 IS1001c A MIO043 0 642.032 642.496 642.05 642.46 Okay . 642.46 IS1001c C MIO012 2 642.602 643.84 642.86 643.84 So , I don't think 643.19 IS1001c C MIO012 2 645.152 652.688 645.17 652.63 Yeah , this is just the the wheel . We could use the some wheels can be pushed down , could use the push down of the wheel for the record if we want . 645.61 647.67 650.06 652.63 IS1001c A MIO043 0 647.756 648.123 647.81 648.06 Mm . 648.06 IS1001c B MIO020 1 653.392 653.808 653.42 653.75 Mm-hmm . 653.75 IS1001c C MIO012 2 654.144 663.232 654.19 663.13 Uh so we could just basically use one just wheel and uh user could use just the wheel to do everything with the channels in that case . 663.13 IS1001c A MIO043 0 660.976 661.312 661.0 661.28 Yeah . 661.28 IS1001c A MIO043 0 664.208 668.96 664.23 668.93 Maybe the wheel will be a good advantage over our competitors . 668.93 IS1001c B MIO020 1 669.664 670.048 669.71 669.99 Mm-hmm . 669.99 IS1001c A MIO043 0 670.768 674.528 670.79 674.47 Because otherwise it's pretty standard apart the fact that it's very simple . 674.47 IS1001c A MIO043 0 675.952 684.16 675.97 684.13 So maybe it's worse to uh to have more expense on that's that aspect . 684.13 IS1001c B MIO020 1 680.252 681.057 680.57 680.96 To s - IS1001c B MIO020 1 684.432 684.864 684.47 684.81 Mm-hmm . 684.81 IS1001c C MIO012 2 685.344 688.438 685.45 688.3 Yeah , I guess the market researcher will tell us all about that . 685.63 688.3 IS1001c A MIO043 0 689.152 689.584 689.17 689.54 Okay . 689.54 IS1001c A MIO043 0 691.056 696.336 691.13 696.3 So we can move to the Is there any question ? For 695.32 IS1001c A MIO043 0 697.472 704.247 697.49 704.2 designer of user interface ? or we can move to the next part , maybe , and discuss afterwards ? 699.79 702.0 702.34 704.2 IS1001c A MIO043 0 714.16 714.715 714.18 714.64 Okay . 714.64 IS1001c D FIO074 3 714.164 715.472 714.38 715.43 Okay , I can go ? 714.94 715.43 IS1001c D FIO074 3 716.464 717.456 716.49 717.26 Can I ? 717.26 IS1001c A MIO043 0 716.752 716.976 716.77 716.94 Yeah . 716.94 IS1001c D FIO074 3 719.472 727.994 719.472 727.91 So now the recent investigation we we have done fo of the remote control um . 727.91 IS1001c D FIO074 3 728.397 745.973 728.45 745.88 So , the most important aspect for remote controls is to be fancy look and feel and not current functional look and feel . And um the second aspect is uh that the remote control should be uh technological innovative . 728.7 738.17 745.88 IS1001c D FIO074 3 746.645 754.13 746.645 754.1 And the third most important aspect is to to is that the co remote control should be easy to use . 754.1 IS1001c A MIO043 0 746.736 747.295 746.76 747.2 Okay . 747.2 IS1001c D FIO074 3 754.752 766.032 754.77 766.032 So , are things we are we have uh speak about before . Yeah . And um so you you can go 756.06 762.3 762.78 IS1001c C MIO012 2 761.144 761.712 761.32 761.67 Mm-hmm . 761.67 IS1001c A MIO043 0 761.84 762.16 761.86 762.1 Yeah . 762.1 IS1001c A MIO043 0 766.608 766.848 766.63 766.81 Yeah . 766.81 IS1001c D FIO074 3 767.04 767.504 767.06 767.47 after . 767.47 IS1001c D FIO074 3 769.568 781.705 769.59 781.65 And there is a fashion watchers in Paris and Milan that have detected the following trends , uh fruits and vegetables will be the most important theme for clothes , shoes , and furnitures . 775.95 780.19 780.55 781.65 IS1001c D FIO074 3 782.353 792.944 782.353 792.944 So , maybe if our remote control have to be a fruit form or vegetable form something like that , or 784.11 792.66 IS1001c A MIO043 0 791.632 792.206 791.65 792.17 Okay . 792.17 IS1001c B MIO020 1 793.008 794.048 793.03 794.01 I support an apple . 794.01 IS1001c D FIO074 3 794.16 799.456 794.16 799.42 And the mm the material is expected to be spongy . 799.42 IS1001c D FIO074 3 800.784 806.48 800.82 806.48 Uh I don't know which material can be spongy , and if you 805.7 IS1001c A MIO043 0 805.136 805.392 805.16 805.36 Yeah . 805.36 IS1001c A MIO043 0 806.576 808.88 806.6 808.88 This is good also for - IS1001c C MIO012 2 806.972 814.256 807.11 814.21 Well , wou wou I think we can certainly just put the electronics in a spongy thing , it it would work , right ? Yeah . 807.28 812.29 813.1 813.97 814.21 IS1001c B MIO020 1 812.624 812.864 812.66 812.83 Yeah . 812.83 IS1001c A MIO043 0 813.616 820.768 813.64 820.61 Yeah . I think it is good also f to have a spongy material , yeah . Yeah , because it's robust . 814.49 818.19 818.99 819.19 820.61 IS1001c D FIO074 3 813.577 813.997 813.68 813.95 Mm-hmm . 813.95 IS1001c B MIO020 1 813.609 813.976 813.7 813.87 Yeah . 813.87 IS1001c C MIO012 2 817.123 818.912 817.21 818.68 You can throw it to the television . 818.68 IS1001c D FIO074 3 818.912 821.632 819.37 821.55 Okay It's robust , yeah . 821.29 821.55 IS1001c B MIO020 1 819.936 820.704 819.96 820.62 Yeah . Me too . 820.29 820.62 IS1001c C MIO012 2 821.408 827.152 821.58 826.94 Hey that's a cool one . We could say that if you throw it , you have a sensor , and you throw it and hits the television and turns it off . 822.97 824.2 824.91 826.94 IS1001c C MIO012 2 829.59 830.96 829.63 830.82 When it d uh takes a shock . 830.82 IS1001c D FIO074 3 831.632 833.535 831.632 833.34 Not good . 833.34 IS1001c A MIO043 0 831.776 834.214 831.8 834.14 Yeah uh sorry ? 834.14 IS1001c B MIO020 1 832.194 835.824 832.22 835.79 Ah it's okay . I know that they do that for alarm clock also . 833.18 835.79 IS1001c D FIO074 3 835.248 855.264 835.39 855.23 An and and uh this uh you can yeah you can say that . You ca uh you can go uh before , before , yes . And you know here the more iz important aspect is the fancy look and feel , after is uh technological innovative , and after the easy to use . 839.53 844.32 844.6 845.35 850.88 853.4 855.23 IS1001c C MIO012 2 835.744 836.176 835.76 836.03 Yeah . 836.03 IS1001c A MIO043 0 840.88 841.296 840.9 841.16 No . 841.16 IS1001c A MIO043 0 841.838 842.066 841.91 842.03 Yeah . 842.03 IS1001c A MIO043 0 843.952 844.384 843.99 844.35 Before ? 844.35 IS1001c A MIO043 0 850.56 850.912 850.58 850.88 Yeah . 850.88 IS1001c A MIO043 0 853.344 853.632 853.36 853.6 Yeah . 853.6 IS1001c A MIO043 0 854.848 862.163 854.87 862.11 Yeah . I think it's innovative to use the mm the wheel because I think no one else has . Has it ? 855.43 861.66 862.11 IS1001c B MIO020 1 859.616 859.824 859.64 859.79 Yeah . 859.79 IS1001c D FIO074 3 859.872 865.248 859.91 865.21 Yeah that's why Yeah that's why I think we have to keep that if it's possible . 865.21 IS1001c A MIO043 0 865.232 874.769 865.25 874.66 Yeah . I think it's it makes it both easy and both innos innovative . So I think it's a good aspect and it should be kept . 865.8 871.28 874.66 IS1001c B MIO020 1 865.92 866.24 865.94 866.21 Mm-hmm . 866.21 IS1001c D FIO074 3 870.528 871.936 870.73 871.86 Innovative . Mm . 871.75 871.86 IS1001c C MIO012 2 874.112 876.592 874.18 876.56 How do we make it look cool is the question . 876.56 IS1001c A MIO043 0 877.216 879.056 877.56 878.82 Cool , fancy ? 878.26 878.82 IS1001c C MIO012 2 879.152 879.776 879.17 879.66 Yeah . 879.66 IS1001c A MIO043 0 880.176 886.045 880.2 886.045 We have to make it l look like a fruit or vegetable . 885.61 IS1001c D FIO074 3 884.784 887.843 884.8 887.71 Yeah . Mm . 887.63 887.71 IS1001c A MIO043 0 886.464 893.312 886.48 893.24 Maybe uh um a colour that remember some fruit uh , things like that . 892.53 893.24 IS1001c B MIO020 1 886.448 888.784 886.6 888.784 What about um - IS1001c D FIO074 3 890.56 891.424 890.58 891.39 Oh , colour , yeah . 890.92 891.29 891.39 IS1001c C MIO012 2 893.296 894.96 893.32 894.93 Well the obvious thing is a banana , I guess . 894.57 894.93 IS1001c D FIO074 3 893.84 895.76 893.87 895.76 Oh i i - IS1001c A MIO043 0 895.76 898.451 895.76 898.34 Maybe yeah . 898.34 IS1001c D FIO074 3 898.032 905.749 898.05 905.749 I thought about a a pear , for example . You know the pear , is like that and it's it's easy to to have in in hand and uh 899.21 899.88 900.59 IS1001c A MIO043 0 903.616 906.144 903.64 906.1 Yeah , and it's ergonomic as well . 904.58 906.1 IS1001c D FIO074 3 906.176 906.544 906.2 906.47 Yeah . 906.47 IS1001c A MIO043 0 907.802 908.537 907.83 908.49 A pear . 908.49 IS1001c C MIO012 2 907.952 909.216 907.98 909.18 The banana is also ergonomic . 909.18 IS1001c A MIO043 0 910.112 912.72 910.13 912.54 Yeah . Maybe pear yeah or something like that . 910.56 912.54 IS1001c D FIO074 3 912.592 914.768 912.65 914.72 Or a fruit like that . I dunno . 914.23 914.72 IS1001c A MIO043 0 914.784 918.816 914.8 918.65 Yeah . We can discuss that uh . D D Is is there anything you want to add ? 915.67 916.56 918.65 IS1001c C MIO012 2 918.976 920.672 919.0 920.63 Is there any fruit that is spongy ? 920.63 IS1001c A MIO043 0 921.904 930.218 921.904 930.13 I don't think so . I think we we can have like yeah a pear is good , fit well , or banana as you told . 924.25 927.78 928.41 930.13 IS1001c C MIO012 2 929.714 932.16 929.714 932.13 Yeah . 932.13 IS1001c B MIO020 1 931.872 936.56 931.89 936.53 And for maybe look and feel , what about a a piece of ice , 934.56 936.53 IS1001c A MIO043 0 931.706 932.774 932.09 932.66 Something like that . 932.66 IS1001c B MIO020 1 937.92 940.0 937.97 939.92 with blue L_E_D_ inside ? 939.92 IS1001c A MIO043 0 940.56 945.072 940.58 945.04 But that's not in the trend . . The trend is spongy , and vegetable fruits . 942.29 942.29 943.56 945.04 IS1001c C MIO012 2 940.739 942.017 940.86 942.017 You can make it um - IS1001c B MIO020 1 941.968 942.352 942.07 942.32 Yeah . 942.32 IS1001c B MIO020 1 943.844 944.352 944.01 944.3 Yeah . 944.3 IS1001c C MIO012 2 945.024 946.432 945.04 946.34 It's not hard , the metal . 945.65 946.34 IS1001c B MIO020 1 946.435 948.08 946.55 948.08 Yeah . 947.75 IS1001c A MIO043 0 946.848 952.816 946.848 952.77 I think p spongy is good because it it will be robust as well . 952.77 IS1001c C MIO012 2 947.472 948.88 947.49 948.88 Plastic . 948.41 IS1001c B MIO020 1 953.056 953.424 953.08 953.36 Yep . 953.36 IS1001c A MIO043 0 954.224 956.64 954.35 956.61 So , I think we can keep the wheel 955.14 IS1001c A MIO043 0 957.792 973.168 957.82 973.13 because it's uh easy , it's innovative , even if the cost is a bit higher , and we also have to find a , so , a fruit like pear or banana wit uh any others idea you have . 959.61 960.4 962.97 967.66 968.22 973.13 IS1001c B MIO020 1 958.304 958.794 958.45 958.67 Yeah . 958.67 IS1001c A MIO043 0 977.104 985.456 977.12 985.456 What kind of fr fruit would you like to to control your T_V_ with ? 984.97 IS1001c C MIO012 2 990.672 991.056 990.7 991.02 Mm . 991.02 IS1001c A MIO043 0 994.033 994.582 994.14 994.34 Odi - IS1001c B MIO020 1 994.16 996.016 994.18 995.95 Banana I think , it's a nice idea . 995.03 995.95 IS1001c A MIO043 0 996.064 1001.888 996.42 1001.81 Banana is also yellow so you you can't lost your remote control then . 1001.81 IS1001c B MIO020 1 997.12 997.66 997.14 997.66 Because - IS1001c B MIO020 1 998.886 999.218 998.97 999.218 But - IS1001c D FIO074 3 1001.211 1002.352 1001.26 1002.352 Yeah . 1002.13 IS1001c C MIO012 2 1001.808 1002.224 1001.83 1002.18 Yeah . 1002.18 IS1001c B MIO020 1 1002.864 1016.368 1002.9 1016.368 You y you don't use the banana when the banana is curving like that , but when the banana is curving like that , with the wheel on the top and to control , and here you have a a push button to 1007.35 1010.08 1012.8 IS1001c C MIO012 2 1005.712 1006.576 1005.73 1006.54 Two of the button , yeah . 1006.27 1006.54 IS1001c C MIO012 2 1009.504 1010.064 1009.52 1010.01 Yeah . 1010.01 IS1001c C MIO012 2 1011.472 1011.968 1011.49 1011.93 Yeah . 1011.93 IS1001c D FIO074 3 1013.712 1015.456 1013.73 1015.456 But you don't have - IS1001c A MIO043 0 1017.216 1018.848 1017.24 1018.77 I think it's a good idea , yeah . 1018.4 1018.77 IS1001c C MIO012 2 1017.312 1028.512 1017.33 1028.48 Yeah so you can just have uh just have this curve , yeah , and you move uh your hand here to press the buttons and then you move uh on the other side . So you can have it on on two sides and it'll be cool , no ? 1019.92 1020.2 1025.12 1028.25 1028.48 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1024.976 1025.376 1025.0 1025.34 Yeah . 1025.34 IS1001c B MIO020 1 1025.459 1025.932 1025.6 1025.78 Yeah . 1025.78 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1028.496 1037.296 1028.52 1037.26 Yeah . I think it's a good design and it's innovative as well then . Maybe we can keep the banana . And it will be very easy to find . 1029.24 1033.78 1035.15 1037.26 IS1001c C MIO012 2 1037.28 1038.868 1037.3 1038.72 You can put also vibrator inside . 1038.72 IS1001c B MIO020 1 1037.296 1045.488 1037.32 1045.42 And everybody knows what is a banana . Basically . If you if you start with uh fancy fruits and fra s and tha 1039.85 1040.88 IS1001c D FIO074 3 1039.648 1040.51 1039.648 1040.4 Yeah . 1040.4 IS1001c C MIO012 2 1043.984 1053.857 1044.05 1053.66 Ah-ha . You can also take into account the fact that the banana fits with the colour scheme of our company . Yeah . 1044.79 1052.94 1053.66 IS1001c B MIO020 1 1050.932 1054.104 1051.09 1054.104 Oh , yeah 1052.06 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1051.104 1051.459 1051.12 1051.38 Yeah . 1051.38 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1052.96 1056.64 1052.98 1056.6 Yeah it's really uh really a good point . 1056.6 IS1001c C MIO012 2 1056.528 1065.248 1056.528 1065.248 I hope the students of management die , but anyway . 1062.16 1064.87 IS1001c C MIO012 2 1067.648 1068.912 1067.73 1068.86 Now who are recording this meeting ? 1068.86 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1070.592 1072.944 1070.61 1072.944 I think it So - IS1001c A MIO043 0 1074.096 1075.47 1074.12 1075.28 One second . 1075.28 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1081.984 1088.176 1082.01 1088.176 So we have to take some decision on this aspect . So , uh so for 1085.07 1086.15 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1089.68 1094.208 1089.78 1094.208 sorry , for uh component , so 1090.72 1093.58 IS1001c B MIO020 1 1095.792 1096.224 1095.81 1096.224 So - IS1001c A MIO043 0 1096.48 1098.768 1096.5 1098.73 we have to think about those aspects , sorry . 1098.4 1098.73 IS1001c B MIO020 1 1099.624 1102.224 1099.64 1102.19 So we will just use a a standard battery ? 1102.19 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1102.736 1103.152 1102.76 1103.12 Yeah . 1103.12 IS1001c B MIO020 1 1103.664 1111.54 1103.68 1111.5 And uh the chip we chip imprint we know exactly which one we are going to use . Uh what do you mean by case ? 1110.02 1111.5 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1112.032 1116.921 1112.3 1116.8 I think it's the box that should be spongy , banana's shape . 1115.71 1116.8 IS1001c B MIO020 1 1115.709 1116.077 1115.82 1116.04 Yeah . 1116.04 IS1001c B MIO020 1 1116.912 1130.618 1116.93 1130.58 Uh I mean for me if we use a a spongy banana case , doesn't matter . I just want to have so something to prin to to fix my my components onto that box , and that's it . 1121.92 1122.6 1130.03 1130.58 IS1001c C MIO012 2 1123.847 1124.512 1123.96 1124.41 The only th - IS1001c C MIO012 2 1126.416 1126.8 1126.44 1126.76 Yeah . 1126.76 IS1001c C MIO012 2 1129.872 1147.2 1129.89 1147.07 Y Yeah that can be in inside th in the structure . But uh the thing is that the buttons and the wheel have to be I mean if it's spongy then the buttons and the wheel have to I mean if it's spongy then it's going to move , right ? So , it's going to be bend a lot . 1132.53 1144.12 1144.86 1145.74 1147.07 IS1001c B MIO020 1 1131.648 1132.528 1131.67 1132.49 Yeah yeah . Yeah . 1132.28 1132.49 IS1001c B MIO020 1 1137.83 1139.666 1137.95 1139.53 Spongy also . 1139.53 IS1001c C MIO012 2 1148.224 1150.909 1148.25 1150.87 So if we try to push the buttons , it You think it's possible ? 1149.43 1150.87 IS1001c B MIO020 1 1148.624 1150.064 1148.64 1149.99 Oh no I think it's possible . 1149.99 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1148.527 1149.123 1148.66 1149.123 But - IS1001c A MIO043 0 1150.464 1156.192 1150.49 1156.16 No the button would be In fact it it should be something odd shaped , with a spongy cover . 1154.66 1156.16 IS1001c B MIO020 1 1154.768 1155.088 1154.79 1154.99 Yeah . 1154.99 IS1001c C MIO012 2 1156.262 1156.784 1156.32 1156.73 Okay . 1156.73 IS1001c B MIO020 1 1156.32 1158.26 1156.34 1158.26 Yeah . This is uh like the 1157.1 IS1001c C MIO012 2 1157.936 1158.224 1157.96 1158.19 Yeah . 1158.19 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1162.192 1164.528 1162.26 1164.528 Okay odd shape with spongy - IS1001c A MIO043 0 1165.696 1174.032 1165.72 1174.032 cover . And standard battery okay , a chip imprint , there's no specific problem . So we agree to put the wheel 1167.98 1169.63 1170.46 1172.05 IS1001c B MIO020 1 1174.032 1174.48 1174.07 1174.42 Mm-hmm . 1174.42 IS1001c B MIO020 1 1179.47 1183.856 1179.47 1183.82 Wheel on the top . Button , where do we want some buttons ? 1181.59 1182.45 1183.82 IS1001c C MIO012 2 1184.8 1189.92 1185.01 1189.86 Well , usually hold 'Kay , we want it to be good also for the left-hand users , right ? 1185.68 1187.26 1189.56 1189.86 IS1001c B MIO020 1 1190.288 1190.816 1190.31 1190.69 Yeah . 1190.69 IS1001c C MIO012 2 1192.24 1193.235 1192.28 1193.235 Uh - IS1001c A MIO043 0 1192.173 1194.592 1192.37 1194.53 So it have to it has to be symmetrical . 1194.53 IS1001c C MIO012 2 1195.872 1213.744 1195.89 1213.7 Yeah but okay . Sa let's say that th o It has to be basically you can only take two sides , one on ths this side where is the thumb and the other side where there is uh yeah also the thumb . Basically . Or you could use use this one , but I don't know if it's very comfortable , to use this one for the wheel . 1196.89 1202.47 1207.99 1208.97 1211.01 1212.72 1213.7 IS1001c B MIO020 1 1206.288 1207.856 1206.44 1207.82 Yep . Yep . 1207.64 1207.82 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1212.816 1215.136 1212.84 1215.09 Yeah maybe the thumb is more comfortable . 1215.09 IS1001c C MIO012 2 1215.056 1219.067 1215.09 1218.99 This for the wheel and then this for the buttons ? Should have the two sides . 1217.36 1218.99 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1217.008 1220.725 1217.03 1220.63 Yeah I think it's okay for both right and left . Mm . 1220.4 1220.63 IS1001c B MIO020 1 1220.272 1220.784 1220.31 1220.73 Mm-hmm . 1220.73 IS1001c C MIO012 2 1221.152 1223.152 1221.17 1223.152 So if the left , we have 1222.81 IS1001c C MIO012 2 1224.368 1224.8 1224.47 1224.76 the op - IS1001c A MIO043 0 1225.248 1227.36 1225.27 1227.32 I think you can turn it this way also . 1227.32 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1228.704 1231.185 1228.72 1231.05 You can do both with both hands . 1231.05 IS1001c C MIO012 2 1228.838 1235.456 1228.95 1235.38 Wheel Wheel buttons . Yeah , the problem is if you have buttons and wheel then when you turn it around , the buttons are on the other side . 1231.6 1231.75 1234.26 1235.38 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1231.92 1232.621 1231.94 1232.57 I think it's okay . 1232.57 IS1001c C MIO012 2 1236.384 1237.424 1236.47 1237.39 So you cannot see them . 1237.39 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1238.592 1251.328 1238.61 1251.29 Well , you you will get used to it . And moreover , th the button ar are lighted so you you immediately identify the right side , because you have light on buttons . 1239.0 1241.78 1243.0 1249.89 1251.29 IS1001c C MIO012 2 1239.412 1239.849 1239.57 1239.81 Yeah . 1239.81 IS1001c C MIO012 2 1241.951 1244.66 1242.05 1244.66 So the buttons have to be here and the wheel has to be - IS1001c C MIO012 2 1249.883 1250.364 1249.92 1250.19 Y - IS1001c C MIO012 2 1251.248 1260.064 1251.37 1260.0 Yeah I know , but uh if you hold with your left hand , and the wheel is here , and the buttons are here , then when you turn it around the buttons will be on the other side . 1251.86 1253.89 1255.38 1256.84 1260.0 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1256.576 1256.848 1256.6 1256.81 Yeah . 1256.81 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1260.56 1267.536 1260.59 1267.5 No you you I think you will use it only on the right or left hand , whether you are righty or lefty . 1265.87 1267.5 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1268.88 1273.328 1268.91 1273.29 I think for lefty it's okay . I can do this movement , and for righty as well . 1270.85 1271.99 1273.29 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1275.84 1277.728 1275.86 1277.69 I think this doesn't change that much . 1277.69 IS1001c C MIO012 2 1279.44 1279.962 1279.52 1279.9 Okay . 1279.9 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1280.999 1281.344 1281.06 1281.31 Yeah ? 1281.31 IS1001c C MIO012 2 1282.496 1283.648 1282.58 1283.58 Okay . Maybe . 1283.24 1283.58 IS1001c C MIO012 2 1285.2 1285.44 1285.22 1285.41 Yeah . 1285.41 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1286.928 1296.384 1287.0 1296.24 So , for interface we said also that we have uh this banana shape with button on the s on the side . 1288.68 1296.24 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1298.256 1298.816 1298.28 1298.816 And - IS1001c A MIO043 0 1300.88 1302.64 1300.9 1302.59 and uh a wheel on the top . 1302.59 IS1001c B MIO020 1 1302.864 1303.28 1302.9 1303.23 Mm-hmm . 1303.23 IS1001c C MIO012 2 1303.888 1304.144 1303.91 1304.11 Yeah . 1304.11 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1311.952 1313.936 1311.97 1313.82 So the colour is yellow . 1313.82 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1315.44 1319.36 1315.46 1319.2 I think it's uh we defined everything according to - IS1001c A MIO043 0 1320.416 1324.096 1320.56 1324.05 what we should what the decision we should take , yeah . 1323.79 1324.05 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1326.016 1328.016 1326.04 1327.91 So maybe we can um - IS1001c A MIO043 0 1329.2 1341.232 1329.22 1341.19 we can uh work on those aspects uh until next meeting . So have the final uh look and feel design according to the decision . 1337.08 1341.19 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1343.248 1349.6 1343.27 1349.55 And have the the user interface design and uh then evaluate the prodyuc the product . 1349.55 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1350.768 1368.192 1351.34 1368.16 That is to say , uh check if it fit the the requirement uh given by the users , but according to uh your presentation it seems to be okay . It seems to be fancy , innovative , and easy to use . 1352.16 1359.62 1364.25 1366.09 1367.06 1368.16 IS1001c B MIO020 1 1370.112 1370.544 1370.14 1370.47 Mm-hmm . 1370.47 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1370.8 1371.424 1370.84 1371.424 So - IS1001c A MIO043 0 1372.464 1373.232 1372.48 1373.232 so - IS1001c A MIO043 0 1374.368 1383.6 1374.39 1383.56 to prepare the prototype I would suggest that the Industrial Designer and the User Interface Designer uh work together . That would uh 1382.74 IS1001c B MIO020 1 1385.282 1386.14 1385.3 1386.14 Yeah . 1385.62 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1385.456 1386.688 1385.48 1386.65 be better , I think . 1386.18 1386.65 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1388.448 1389.52 1388.47 1389.52 And uh - IS1001c A MIO043 0 1390.576 1391.728 1390.6 1391.69 And so uh - IS1001c A MIO043 0 1392.928 1396.0 1392.95 1395.97 you will receive further instruction by emails , as usual . 1395.33 1395.97 IS1001c C MIO012 2 1397.232 1398.512 1397.27 1398.42 Mm-hmm . Yes master . 1397.86 1398.42 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1397.76 1402.752 1397.82 1402.56 So do you need to add anything ? 1402.56 IS1001c C MIO012 2 1403.264 1403.616 1403.3 1403.57 No . 1403.57 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1404.528 1405.488 1404.528 1405.45 You feel okay ? 1405.45 IS1001c C MIO012 2 1405.936 1406.256 1405.96 1406.22 Yeah . 1406.22 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1406.512 1412.256 1406.53 1412.2 You feel uh free to express what you want to say ? You don't feel too constrained ? 1410.09 1412.2 IS1001c C MIO012 2 1409.728 1410.112 1409.75 1410.08 Yeah . 1410.08 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1414.032 1417.829 1414.032 1417.77 You don't feel free to answer this ? 1417.77 IS1001c C MIO012 2 1414.359 1414.744 1414.52 1414.61 No . 1414.61 IS1001c C MIO012 2 1417.488 1422.048 1417.52 1421.99 Maybe you can make uh uh mm okay . 1421.99 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1418.897 1424.16 1418.897 1424.16 Okay , so 1423.5 IS1001c B MIO020 1 1424.448 1425.536 1424.7 1425.37 Thank you . 1425.37 IS1001c A MIO043 0 1425.44 1426.0 1425.52 1425.94 See you . 1425.94 IS1001d A MIO043 0 5.326 6.827 5.59 6.75 Okay . 6.75 IS1001d A MIO043 0 11.616 24.64 11.616 24.59 Je croix que c'est dommage de le it will be sad to destroy this prototype . It really looks like a banana . 22.02 24.59 IS1001d C MIO012 2 24.752 25.808 24.752 25.77 It is a banana . 25.77 IS1001d A MIO043 0 26.16 28.8 26.33 28.8 It is a banana . 28.38 IS1001d C MIO012 2 26.584 28.295 26.82 28.22 It is the essence of bananas . 28.22 IS1001d C MIO012 2 33.077 34.39 33.28 34.36 I would be confused with this thing . 34.36 IS1001d A MIO043 0 46.208 46.496 46.23 46.46 Mm . 46.46 IS1001d C MIO012 2 46.531 47.167 46.69 47.09 S - IS1001d D FIO074 3 47.6 49.487 47.67 49.487 Mm-hmm . 49.21 IS1001d A MIO043 0 47.744 58.4 47.81 58.37 Okay . Hi . So we are here for the detailed design meeting . 52.16 54.35 58.37 IS1001d C MIO012 2 48.848 51.392 49.46 50.25 How is everyone ? 50.25 IS1001d B MIO020 1 53.12 53.632 53.14 53.46 Hi . 53.46 IS1001d C MIO012 2 59.648 60.608 59.77 60.25 Mm-hmm . 60.25 IS1001d A MIO043 0 59.865 67.616 59.865 67.58 So we will uh I will first present what we are going to do in this meeting . 67.58 IS1001d A MIO043 0 68.848 69.328 68.88 69.24 Then - IS1001d A MIO043 0 70.496 101.99 70.52 101.95 uh I've I will also take notes during this meeting and I will send you uh a summary then as usual . We will then look at the evaluation criteria of the prototype presented by uh our two colleagues that make good work . And uh then we will see the financial aspects and the cost of the product . Then we will uh evaluate the product . 78.9 92.69 98.76 101.95 IS1001d A MIO043 0 102.72 104.608 102.74 104.49 And uh end - IS1001d A MIO043 0 106.08 110.064 106.29 110.03 with the conclusion of this project and see whether it fits - IS1001d A MIO043 0 111.2 115.328 111.22 115.12 with it fulf if it fulfil the requirement or not . 115.12 IS1001d B MIO020 1 115.895 116.464 115.99 116.38 Mm-hmm . 116.38 IS1001d A MIO043 0 116.416 139.568 116.44 139.53 So d let's start with the cost aspect so so I look at the aspect discussed last time , that is to say uh to have a standard battery , to have a yellow banana shaped uh case with uh a rubber material around it to be uh to feel spongy , 124.91 129.0 139.53 IS1001d C MIO012 2 138.026 140.224 138.4 139.27 Like a banana . 139.27 IS1001d A MIO043 0 140.912 158.746 140.912 158.64 and uh also at the different aspect like having a wheel etcetera . And the cost ended to be ten point seven Euros . So which is uh good , because we had a price gap of twelve point five Euros . 148.69 152.74 154.05 158.64 IS1001d B MIO020 1 146.704 147.232 146.93 147.18 Mm-hmm . 147.18 IS1001d B MIO020 1 159.072 159.504 159.1 159.45 Mm-hmm . 159.45 IS1001d A MIO043 0 159.872 174.832 159.89 174.72 So for the financial aspect it's okay , we can uh we can continue with this product uh as if , and we are now going to see the project evaluation with uh our marketing expert . 162.83 168.71 174.72 IS1001d D FIO074 3 175.248 182.24 175.248 182.24 Yeah . Okay . So uh you can have my project in 176.71 177.85 IS1001d A MIO043 0 180.816 181.456 180.92 181.38 Yeah . 181.38 IS1001d A MIO043 0 182.56 183.84 182.58 183.75 You have a presentation ? 183.75 IS1001d D FIO074 3 183.535 184.912 183.71 184.912 Uh yeah just a - IS1001d D FIO074 3 187.726 188.738 187.726 188.44 Four . 188.44 IS1001d A MIO043 0 187.792 189.84 187.81 189.79 Participant four , yes . 189.09 189.79 IS1001d D FIO074 3 191.2 192.0 191.22 191.95 Evaluation . 191.95 IS1001d A MIO043 0 192.352 192.8 192.38 192.77 Okay . 192.77 IS1001d A MIO043 0 196.384 196.944 196.4 196.9 Okay . 196.9 IS1001d D FIO074 3 196.96 200.832 196.98 200.8 Okay . So you can go . We can go through . 197.3 200.0 200.8 IS1001d A MIO043 0 201.184 201.968 201.2 201.92 Okay . 201.92 IS1001d D FIO074 3 202.8 225.376 202.82 225.34 So I made an evaluation and the the evaluation criteria is made according to the users' requirements and the market trends we talked about uh during the previous uh meetings . So you can go through and okay so uh we have uh six points . We 216.87 224.89 IS1001d A MIO043 0 219.977 220.64 220.04 220.51 Okay . 220.51 IS1001d D FIO074 3 226.48 261.792 226.5 261.76 we talked about before . So we we want to have a product fancy look and feel , technologically innovative , easy to use , fashion , easy to find in a room , and robust , uh and uh uh I have a scale of uh seven points . Okay . So I go through all the uh all the points here , and uh according to what you think about the this project you can uh mm make a one point , two point or seven point . Okay ? And after we ha we have an an average , and uh we see . 228.15 231.28 232.75 233.84 234.98 236.68 238.48 244.15 244.88 248.6 256.45 258.06 258.99 260.81 261.76 IS1001d A MIO043 0 228.112 228.984 228.14 228.71 Okay . 228.71 IS1001d A MIO043 0 237.84 238.325 237.86 238.25 Yeah . 238.25 IS1001d B MIO020 1 237.819 238.304 237.94 238.26 Mm-hmm . 238.26 IS1001d A MIO043 0 243.968 244.336 243.99 244.3 Yeah . 244.3 IS1001d A MIO043 0 248.384 248.785 248.4 248.69 Yeah . 248.69 IS1001d A MIO043 0 258.608 259.056 258.63 259.02 Okay . 259.02 IS1001d B MIO020 1 262.512 262.949 262.54 262.87 Mm-hmm . 262.87 IS1001d A MIO043 0 262.427 262.99 262.55 262.95 Okay . 262.95 IS1001d D FIO074 3 262.848 270.704 262.87 270.63 The okay ? Uh so uh fancy look and feel , what do you think ? F between o one and seven . 265.05 267.61 268.83 270.63 IS1001d A MIO043 0 267.84 281.161 267.86 280.88 Okay . Maybe you can presen okay . Maybe hold it . So I think it's uh very uh very nice . What do you think ? 268.41 272.32 274.66 280.39 280.88 IS1001d C MIO012 2 280.24 282.096 280.26 282.03 I give it a I give it a five . 282.03 IS1001d A MIO043 0 283.296 283.696 283.32 283.66 Yeah . 283.66 IS1001d A MIO043 0 284.864 289.92 284.88 289.87 So it's between one and seven ? Seven is the highest uh ? I will give a six . 286.79 288.61 289.87 IS1001d D FIO074 3 286.224 286.576 286.32 286.51 Yeah . 286.51 IS1001d D FIO074 3 287.542 289.228 287.542 289.228 Seven is the - IS1001d B MIO020 1 291.056 293.184 291.12 293.05 I will give a a five . 293.05 IS1001d D FIO074 3 293.576 294.192 293.576 294.15 Mm-hmm . 294.15 IS1001d D FIO074 3 296.144 297.09 296.144 297.06 sorry . 297.06 IS1001d C MIO012 2 296.32 301.872 296.32 301.46 And you ? Do you vote uh Christine ? Do you also vote ? 298.28 300.07 301.46 IS1001d D FIO074 3 298.075 304.704 298.075 304.704 eh ? No , I just want to see something 301.83 302.0 IS1001d A MIO043 0 310.416 312.896 310.44 312.896 Maybe we all have to agree on a common - IS1001d C MIO012 2 313.648 315.632 313.68 315.4 Well , we can very easily . 314.1 315.4 IS1001d A MIO043 0 315.552 315.824 315.57 315.7 Yeah . 315.7 IS1001d D FIO074 3 315.449 316.24 315.59 316.21 Mm-hmm . 316.21 IS1001d D FIO074 3 320.55 326.944 320.61 326.9 Uh I think uh and need to as well . 326.9 IS1001d A MIO043 0 327.184 329.784 327.22 329.784 No problem . So this is your 328.55 IS1001d D FIO074 3 328.235 331.597 328.31 331.53 Need to uh I don't know if you we ha we have to put uh one uh f - IS1001d D FIO074 3 332.496 333.888 332.53 333.888 If it's better or - IS1001d A MIO043 0 344.368 346.156 344.39 346.05 One is most . 346.05 IS1001d C MIO012 2 344.28 344.617 344.4 344.617 I - IS1001d D FIO074 3 345.712 346.112 345.83 346.06 Uh-uh . 346.06 IS1001d D FIO074 3 349.451 350.273 349.56 350.21 Um . 350.21 IS1001d A MIO043 0 349.616 354.493 349.64 354.44 Well , we can choose what we want . Okay , let's say that seven is the best . 349.85 352.24 352.63 354.44 IS1001d D FIO074 3 351.392 359.584 351.41 359.54 Yeah . Or maybe we can say s seven is the best mm . 352.32 359.54 IS1001d A MIO043 0 356.379 356.736 356.4 356.7 Okay . 356.7 IS1001d A MIO043 0 357.648 373.641 357.69 373.41 So so do note the grade we have five , six for me , five . And what what's your choice ? How much would you give on the fancy aspect , on the fashionable aspect ? 363.16 366.3 367.13 369.24 371.96 373.41 IS1001d B MIO020 1 365.408 365.995 365.48 365.89 Five . 365.89 IS1001d D FIO074 3 366.978 369.793 367.36 369.793 Oh sorry . Six 369.07 IS1001d D FIO074 3 372.048 375.264 372.07 375.2 Uh s you can how much what ? 375.2 IS1001d A MIO043 0 375.296 378.806 375.32 378.71 How much would you you don't answer to this uh questionnaire ? 378.71 IS1001d D FIO074 3 377.84 382.368 377.86 382.368 Oh yes I mm I dunno mm , I think six , it's a good uh 380.2 381.23 IS1001d C MIO012 2 382.403 384.255 382.46 384.2 So it will have five point five average . 384.2 IS1001d A MIO043 0 383.691 385.328 383.85 385.27 Five point five average . 385.27 IS1001d D FIO074 3 385.136 395.488 385.29 395.45 Yeah . Wa can . Okay . I sorry . 386.39 391.3 393.62 395.45 IS1001d A MIO043 0 386.432 386.794 386.45 386.76 Okay . 386.76 IS1001d C MIO012 2 386.407 386.977 386.45 386.75 Mm . 386.75 IS1001d A MIO043 0 392.752 393.6 392.77 393.6 Well , does it 393.13 IS1001d D FIO074 3 399.376 402.209 399.45 402.15 Okay . So after , the technological aspect ? 400.06 400.79 402.15 IS1001d A MIO043 0 404.304 406.72 404.32 406.69 Okay , techne technological aspect . 404.62 406.69 IS1001d D FIO074 3 406.832 414.336 407.0 414.08 So we we said uh we have uh a new technological uh thing with a wheel . 414.08 IS1001d A MIO043 0 414.32 418.48 414.34 418.44 Yeah , we have the wheel . We also have the rubber material , 414.68 416.17 418.44 IS1001d D FIO074 3 415.68 416.208 415.82 416.17 Uh . 416.17 IS1001d A MIO043 0 419.536 420.944 419.56 420.91 which make it uh - IS1001d A MIO043 0 422.736 423.248 422.76 423.21 like - IS1001d A MIO043 0 424.352 427.664 424.37 427.61 new also . I think I would give a five . 426.03 427.61 IS1001d C MIO012 2 428.278 429.184 428.3 429.15 It's four . 429.15 IS1001d A MIO043 0 429.568 429.872 429.59 429.84 Four ? 429.84 IS1001d B MIO020 1 429.616 435.744 429.69 435.744 A four also , because , except for the wheel , we don't have so much innovation . The rubber is 431.48 431.91 432.82 434.75 IS1001d C MIO012 2 431.114 431.488 431.21 431.44 Yeah . 431.44 IS1001d A MIO043 0 436.048 436.512 436.07 436.48 Okay . 436.48 IS1001d C MIO012 2 436.291 442.544 436.39 442.5 D are we including the voice are you glu are we including the voice in the end or not ? Huh ? No . Okay . 440.82 441.29 442.25 442.5 IS1001d B MIO020 1 436.555 437.695 436.72 437.695 Uh a four . I I 437.06 IS1001d A MIO043 0 440.656 441.024 440.68 440.99 No . 440.99 IS1001d A MIO043 0 443.803 450.555 443.86 450.43 So what's your uh grade ? Four ? So we have four , four f and five ? 447.32 448.26 449.21 450.43 IS1001d D FIO074 3 444.139 444.688 444.46 444.64 No . 444.64 IS1001d D FIO074 3 446.56 446.88 446.58 446.85 Four . 446.85 IS1001d D FIO074 3 450.153 453.964 450.27 453.89 We can put four ? Everyone is okay or four poin 451.97 IS1001d C MIO012 2 450.777 452.663 450.8 452.49 Yeah . For twenty five . 451.63 452.49 IS1001d A MIO043 0 451.648 452.272 451.67 452.23 Yeah , four . 451.87 452.23 IS1001d A MIO043 0 453.28 455.134 453.3 455.01 Four , yeah , let's put four . 453.74 453.96 455.01 IS1001d D FIO074 3 454.597 455.074 454.64 454.97 Four . 454.97 IS1001d C MIO012 2 455.191 455.725 455.31 455.45 Yeah . 455.45 IS1001d D FIO074 3 457.334 458.769 457.52 458.59 Okay . 458.59 IS1001d A MIO043 0 458.624 459.673 458.66 459.673 Doesn't it - IS1001d D FIO074 3 461.343 465.056 461.53 464.64 Very easy to use . Do you think it's easy to use ? 462.52 464.64 IS1001d B MIO020 1 465.36 465.718 465.38 465.58 Yeah . 465.58 IS1001d A MIO043 0 465.403 475.856 465.44 475.69 Yeah , I think so . Yeah . I would give a I would give a seven as well . It's very easy to use . 465.79 467.42 469.36 474.43 475.69 IS1001d C MIO012 2 465.838 466.992 465.86 466.91 I give a seven , I think . 466.49 466.91 IS1001d B MIO020 1 467.322 468.064 467.44 467.94 Six . 467.94 IS1001d D FIO074 3 475.664 477.408 475.8 477.37 Mm , six for me also . 476.11 477.37 IS1001d B MIO020 1 476.016 476.544 476.04 476.51 Six . 476.51 IS1001d A MIO043 0 478.176 480.16 478.2 480.0 So six point five . 480.0 IS1001d D FIO074 3 478.223 481.58 478.24 481.46 Six point five . Okay . 480.92 481.46 IS1001d C MIO012 2 478.103 478.852 478.33 478.73 'Kay . 478.73 IS1001d B MIO020 1 479.227 480.776 479.25 480.6 Six six six point five . 480.6 IS1001d A MIO043 0 481.344 481.872 481.38 481.83 Okay . 481.83 IS1001d D FIO074 3 482.944 489.758 482.944 489.758 Is it fashion ? Seven ? 487.71 489.44 IS1001d A MIO043 0 485.92 492.959 485.94 492.92 Oh yeah , its its f its fruit fruit shape . I would say seven . And is very very nice design . 486.36 489.13 490.71 492.92 IS1001d D FIO074 3 491.805 496.681 491.9 496.53 Yeah it's fashion , because it's a fruit , and we say that the yeah , seven . 492.8 493.74 496.14 496.53 IS1001d C MIO012 2 493.766 495.808 493.89 495.77 Yeah , we can we can put a seven here . Yeah . 494.09 495.54 495.77 IS1001d B MIO020 1 495.753 496.876 495.83 496.76 Yeah , seven . 496.16 496.76 IS1001d A MIO043 0 496.592 497.538 496.61 497.29 Yeah . Seven , okay . 496.7 497.04 497.29 IS1001d C MIO012 2 496.591 497.25 496.68 497.13 Yeah . 497.13 IS1001d C MIO012 2 497.632 498.976 497.65 498.79 Well , we hope . 498.21 498.79 IS1001d B MIO020 1 499.136 501.218 499.136 500.9 Easy to find . 500.9 IS1001d D FIO074 3 499.424 505.947 499.424 505.947 Uh easy to find in a room ? 505.85 IS1001d B MIO020 1 501.757 506.032 501.757 506.032 I lost my banana . 505.88 IS1001d A MIO043 0 506.112 507.694 506.13 507.61 I think you can't miss it . 507.61 IS1001d C MIO012 2 507.741 508.752 507.741 508.72 Yeah . 508.72 IS1001d D FIO074 3 509.182 509.518 509.2 509.44 Yeah ? 509.44 IS1001d A MIO043 0 509.328 509.76 509.35 509.72 Okay . 509.72 IS1001d B MIO020 1 509.68 510.708 509.72 510.54 Uh . 510.54 IS1001d C MIO012 2 510.003 513.44 510.16 513.39 Yeah , I think it's cool . I think we can put a six here . 510.29 511.91 513.39 IS1001d D FIO074 3 513.408 515.536 513.43 515.536 We have the lightning , or 515.15 IS1001d A MIO043 0 516.88 521.701 516.9 521.701 Yeah , we have the we don't sesh especially have the lightning but 517.24 IS1001d D FIO074 3 516.822 517.708 516.99 517.56 The lighting . 517.56 IS1001d C MIO012 2 519.778 524.208 519.778 524.208 So you'll make the material transparent so that it uh lights up completely , or 523.85 IS1001d A MIO043 0 524.464 531.293 524.48 531.17 So it's yellow . It's okay . I think it's very easy to I would say seven . It's hard to miss it . 525.46 526.04 530.2 531.17 IS1001d D FIO074 3 525.444 527.522 525.444 527.522 Yeah . 526.87 IS1001d D FIO074 3 528.0 528.514 528.02 528.43 Seven ? 528.43 IS1001d B MIO020 1 529.904 533.216 529.904 533.18 Six . Yeah , okay . 532.15 532.89 533.18 IS1001d C MIO012 2 532.432 532.704 532.45 532.67 Yeah . 532.67 IS1001d D FIO074 3 532.624 534.08 532.66 534.02 Is it is it robust ? 534.02 IS1001d A MIO043 0 535.2 543.485 535.22 543.31 Yeah , it's rubber , made of rubber , I think it's m it's uh more rubber than uh other remote control . 535.38 537.23 538.19 543.31 IS1001d B MIO020 1 535.52 537.648 535.54 537.57 Uh f yeah , it's ru it's rubber . 536.27 537.57 IS1001d B MIO020 1 541.904 543.23 541.92 543.23 Yeah . 542.98 IS1001d C MIO012 2 542.688 548.608 542.71 548.608 Yeah the only problem there might be which know , i if it's very sensitive , they will , I don't know 545.44 547.26 548.16 IS1001d A MIO043 0 547.168 554.206 547.19 554.17 Yeah . But it is uh it is surrounded by rubber material . So maybe we can put a six . 548.87 552.66 554.17 IS1001d B MIO020 1 547.952 548.24 547.97 548.21 Yeah . 548.21 IS1001d C MIO012 2 551.479 552.464 551.56 552.42 Yeah , okay . 552.05 552.42 IS1001d B MIO020 1 551.968 552.32 551.99 552.29 Yeah . 552.29 IS1001d B MIO020 1 554.768 555.072 554.79 555.04 Yeah . 555.04 IS1001d C MIO012 2 554.836 555.338 554.93 555.1 Mm . 555.1 IS1001d D FIO074 3 555.283 558.56 555.283 558.35 Everybody is okay , six . 557.66 558.35 IS1001d B MIO020 1 556.272 558.772 556.29 558.49 Six or five . Five . 557.94 558.49 IS1001d A MIO043 0 558.443 559.376 558.46 559.34 Six is okay ? 559.34 IS1001d C MIO012 2 558.704 560.143 558.72 560.05 Six , yeah , for me . 559.25 559.67 560.05 IS1001d B MIO020 1 559.749 560.288 559.77 560.22 Six . 560.22 IS1001d D FIO074 3 559.472 565.808 559.78 565.75 Yeah . Okay . S now um so . 560.96 562.23 565.75 IS1001d A MIO043 0 561.504 561.824 561.52 561.79 Yeah . 561.79 IS1001d C MIO012 2 561.76 562.112 561.78 562.06 Yeah . 562.06 IS1001d A MIO043 0 563.632 564.508 563.65 564.46 Tadada . 564.46 IS1001d A MIO043 0 566.416 567.961 566.44 567.78 We have to sum up everything . 567.78 IS1001d C MIO012 2 566.58 568.09 566.61 567.67 Twenty . 567.67 IS1001d D FIO074 3 566.961 575.936 567.06 575.86 Thirteen uh , twenty , twenty six point five , uh seven , thirty two , thirty six . That's that's okay ? 568.42 569.33 570.61 572.52 573.2 574.75 575.86 IS1001d C MIO012 2 572.352 573.516 572.37 573.45 Thirty . Thir 573.27 IS1001d D FIO074 3 578.032 578.461 578.05 578.43 Six . 578.43 IS1001d A MIO043 0 580.32 582.192 580.32 582.192 Six is a good - IS1001d C MIO012 2 580.576 580.88 580.6 580.84 Okay . 580.84 IS1001d D FIO074 3 581.89 591.048 581.91 590.95 Good . Uh if we say that seven it's uh it's the better , and when uh s six sit six are good it's a good uh p product , I think . 582.78 586.71 590.6 590.95 IS1001d C MIO012 2 585.616 586.461 585.64 586.461 Yeah , the top 586.02 IS1001d A MIO043 0 585.776 586.484 585.8 586.37 Yeah , the be . 586.04 586.37 IS1001d A MIO043 0 587.888 589.491 587.91 589.491 Okay , so six is a 588.23 IS1001d C MIO012 2 588.011 588.538 588.11 588.38 Mm . 588.38 IS1001d C MIO012 2 590.233 591.664 590.35 591.54 So will become eight soon ? 591.54 IS1001d A MIO043 0 592.144 596.208 592.16 596.01 So it's a good evaluation , I think . It's very promising . 593.46 594.7 596.01 IS1001d C MIO012 2 596.192 601.167 596.21 601.167 Yeah , well it's a bit biased . 596.35 600.94 IS1001d D FIO074 3 599.785 602.57 599.81 602.06 We have a good price and uh . 602.06 IS1001d A MIO043 0 599.838 600.465 600.22 600.37 Huh . 600.37 IS1001d B MIO020 1 602.448 602.896 602.47 602.85 Yeah . 602.85 IS1001d C MIO012 2 604.064 604.56 604.11 604.51 Okay . 604.51 IS1001d D FIO074 3 604.089 604.644 604.15 604.6 Good . 604.6 IS1001d A MIO043 0 604.496 607.696 604.52 607.696 So this prototype is quite nice . 607.51 IS1001d C MIO012 2 607.535 622.672 607.78 622.58 Because I saw uh some phones that were banana shaped , uh wireless phones not mobile ones , wireless for the house , uh quite big also , and they were selling something like a hundred Euros , two hundred Euros . 611.72 614.08 615.47 617.01 621.8 622.58 IS1001d A MIO043 0 611.472 611.76 611.49 611.73 Yeah . 611.73 IS1001d A MIO043 0 614.272 614.704 614.29 614.67 Okay . 614.67 IS1001d C MIO012 2 623.744 625.87 623.78 625.63 Just a just a phone , wireless . 625.18 625.63 IS1001d B MIO020 1 625.179 625.785 625.33 625.65 Mm-hmm . 625.65 IS1001d A MIO043 0 625.387 630.688 625.41 630.57 So having this at twenty five Euros is uh quite attractive , I think . 629.71 630.57 IS1001d C MIO012 2 630.176 630.576 630.2 630.54 Yeah . 630.54 IS1001d A MIO043 0 631.952 632.912 632.06 632.912 I think the - IS1001d B MIO020 1 631.884 638.448 632.33 638.39 But almo also the complexity between a phone and a remote control is not cannot compare . 638.39 IS1001d C MIO012 2 637.472 640.222 637.49 640.222 Yeah . Yeah , it's much more complex , but 638.66 639.13 639.96 IS1001d A MIO043 0 639.024 639.453 639.04 639.4 Yeah . 639.4 IS1001d A MIO043 0 641.856 667.648 641.88 667.58 So , I think , we can summarise . So we have seen the prototype . It's very nice according to the work of our two designer . The the the financial aspect were okay . We we have the cost below uh our threshold and so we could sell at twenty five Euros and make i make profit . 643.03 644.21 645.73 647.37 654.05 658.66 667.58 IS1001d A MIO043 0 668.704 678.448 668.73 678.29 The the evaluation give satisfying result as well . So I think we can move to the last part of the meeting . 675.08 678.29 IS1001d A MIO043 0 680.753 702.096 680.8 702.06 So the cost is in the budget , the evaluation is okay , so I th I think we can now uh open champagne and make a huge party . I don't know if it's provided by uh by the meeting staff . Okay so congratulation . 685.35 687.09 692.7 700.16 702.06 IS1001d B MIO020 1 689.982 695.296 689.982 695.296 Start to eat banana . 694.22 IS1001d D FIO074 3 698.672 699.174 698.69 699.09 Mm-hmm . 699.09 IS1001d C MIO012 2 699.584 700.256 699.62 700.09 Okay . 700.09 IS1001d C MIO012 2 702.901 707.048 702.901 706.82 Congratulations to the team . Uh very well , we worked together fantastically . 704.53 705.43 706.82 IS1001d B MIO020 1 703.104 703.36 703.12 703.33 Yeah . 703.33 IS1001d A MIO043 0 703.137 704.551 703.137 704.25 Nice product . 704.25 IS1001d A MIO043 0 706.736 707.008 706.76 706.96 Yeah . 706.96 IS1001d A MIO043 0 708.176 710.864 708.2 710.81 I think it was a good collaboration uh . 710.81 IS1001d C MIO012 2 711.689 714.181 711.689 714.07 So what does the management say ? 714.07 IS1001d A MIO043 0 711.916 712.752 711.99 712.51 Aspect . 712.51 IS1001d A MIO043 0 715.584 716.096 715.6 715.94 Sorry ? 715.94 IS1001d C MIO012 2 715.856 718.176 716.01 717.7 What does the management say ? 717.7 IS1001d A MIO043 0 717.808 723.488 717.98 723.24 I think we will have um much bigger project next time and a much bigger salary as well . 723.24 IS1001d C MIO012 2 723.408 723.856 723.48 723.81 Ah . 723.81 IS1001d A MIO043 0 724.912 733.499 724.93 733.499 All it depends on who watch this meeting . We don't know . 732.16 733.39 IS1001d B MIO020 1 730.64 732.641 730.64 732.641 Yeah . 732.6 IS1001d C MIO012 2 733.152 733.504 733.17 733.47 Yeah . 733.47 IS1001d A MIO043 0 734.464 743.776 734.64 741.59 Okay , so good guys , so see you for next uh successful project . 735.83 738.87 743.64 IS1001d C MIO012 2 735.072 735.488 735.14 735.45 Okay . 735.45 IS1001d B MIO020 1 738.605 739.501 738.75 739.44 Okay . 739.44 IS1001d B MIO020 1 742.656 744.048 742.68 743.99 Yeah . Fruits . 743.35 743.99 IS1001d D FIO074 3 744.512 744.848 744.61 744.81 Mm 'kay . 744.81 IS1001d C MIO012 2 751.68 752.0 751.73 751.76 Mm . 751.76 IS1002b A MIE080 0 90.904 92.64 91.24 92.51 So - IS1002b A MIE080 0 93.712 105.224 93.73 104.87 we are here to talk about functional design . Now hopefully we've all got a better idea from than we did f leaving the last meeting as to what it is we are up to now . 97.61 104.87 IS1002b A MIE080 0 105.224 127.718 105.79 127.56 So here's an agenda . Uh I'll open . Um you should know that I'll be taking minutes during all the meetings , as I was struggling to our last time uh and that'll be easier for me now because I'm not actually giving the whole presentation . Uh the additional points are just the stuff that we sent and that I forwarded on from upper management having a few bright ideas to make our lives painful . 107.62 109.13 112.54 119.75 127.56 IS1002b A MIE080 0 127.718 140.912 128.03 140.84 Um now you can all give your presentations . We can talk about the requirements and hopefully come to some decisions . Right , forty minutes for this meeting , so a bit more time than the last one . 132.65 138.35 138.69 139.67 140.84 IS1002b A MIE080 0 141.92 146.496 141.94 146.46 Here's the additional points I just wanted to put those in there to see if you guys had any comments - IS1002b A MIE080 0 147.744 148.304 147.76 148.2 on them . 148.2 IS1002b A MIE080 0 149.408 151.072 149.43 150.9 Uh did you all receive that email ? 150.9 IS1002b B MIE029 1 151.285 151.791 151.33 151.64 Yep . 151.64 IS1002b D MIE083 3 151.188 151.743 151.36 151.68 Yeah . 151.68 IS1002b A MIE080 0 152.08 154.032 152.1 153.96 So does anyone have any overall - IS1002b D MIE083 3 156.336 178.733 156.36 178.58 Well uh what comes up for me is that if we're gonna if we're gonna be marketing a product that is going to be uh having no teletext , people are very comfortable with the idea of having teletext and using teletext , and so we're not we're gonna be a new product without something that people are very comfortable having right now . 166.84 172.34 178.58 IS1002b A MIE080 0 161.413 162.013 161.57 161.87 Mm . 161.87 IS1002b A MIE080 0 167.036 167.474 167.06 167.2 Mm . 167.2 IS1002b A MIE080 0 171.918 172.457 172.04 172.39 Yep . 172.39 IS1002b D MIE083 3 178.733 189.648 178.97 189.648 So that's , from a marketing perspective I I see I see a lack . And so we have to go , I think , in the other direction . What are we gonna have that makes this thing better than 179.68 183.92 184.94 185.29 186.29 IS1002b A MIE080 0 180.752 181.104 180.8 181.07 Mm . 181.07 IS1002b A MIE080 0 188.48 198.88 189.08 198.85 Well tha that first point could uh also be an op opportunity because in seeing that teletext is becoming outdated , some sort remote control that can work with the Internet there is the opportunity that's presented , I guess . 194.12 198.59 198.85 IS1002b D MIE083 3 197.504 215.076 197.53 215.04 Right . Yeah . No , I I agree with you . So what I'm talking about is I see that one side we're eliminating something so we have to come up with another side which is , what are we gonna be targeting our market uh that identifies our product as better than because it doesn't have teletext it has ta-ta-ta-ta-ta . So that's that's that was my reactions . 198.61 198.82 199.13 200.09 205.49 213.15 215.04 IS1002b A MIE080 0 200.282 200.823 200.33 200.75 Okay . 200.75 IS1002b A MIE080 0 213.28 213.648 213.3 213.61 Okay . 213.61 IS1002b A MIE080 0 215.072 228.752 215.09 228.72 Yeah . but but we are sort of being dictated that this should only be for the television . So we're quite fixed . So we're really probably , in terms of marketing , are looking for that's uh that's a cost winner rather than a fantastic new feature product . Yeah . 215.36 219.03 220.55 221.48 222.29 228.54 228.72 IS1002b D MIE083 3 218.128 218.432 218.15 218.39 Yeah yeah . 218.39 IS1002b D MIE083 3 220.368 220.56 220.39 220.53 Yep . 220.53 IS1002b C MIO026 2 228.032 236.48 228.032 236.45 Yeah bu but we we're designing only the remote , we not design the T_V_ . So uh we're gonna be removing the teletext out of any T_V_ 230.69 232.63 IS1002b D MIE083 3 228.24 228.608 228.26 228.57 Okay . 228.57 IS1002b A MIE080 0 232.272 232.56 232.29 232.51 Hmm . 232.51 IS1002b D MIE083 3 237.28 238.137 237.3 238.02 Yeah . 'Kay . 237.81 238.02 IS1002b C MIO026 2 237.218 239.328 237.31 239.29 that we people use our remote with . 239.29 IS1002b D MIE083 3 239.552 241.104 239.57 241.07 That's right . I think we take with you . 240.13 241.07 IS1002b A MIE080 0 239.904 240.192 239.92 240.14 Hmm . 240.14 IS1002b C MIO026 2 240.148 242.39 240.32 242.18 So it's kind of a stupid decision . 242.18 IS1002b A MIE080 0 241.616 253.808 241.66 253.77 But there's also the potential for mark there's a market here for our lost teletext . For example someone that just goes to the shop that wants a replacement wants it as cheap as possible . Twenty-five Euros is the selling price , we really have to innovate here I guess . 245.53 250.03 251.96 253.77 IS1002b B MIE029 1 242.023 242.326 242.12 242.29 Right . 242.29 IS1002b D MIE083 3 253.904 272.8 254.15 272.75 That's what I'm that's what I'm talking about is is that we have to find something that is gonna be very attractive about this product 'cause somebody , some people are gonna be hap unhappy 'cause it took they can't ac access their teletext . Okay . 'Cause we're talking about eighty percent or ninety percent or ninety-five percent of the televisions out there are are teletext . 260.66 265.62 266.49 272.75 IS1002b A MIE080 0 265.04 265.376 265.06 265.33 Mm . 265.33 IS1002b A MIE080 0 274.384 274.688 274.4 274.65 K yeah . 274.65 IS1002b D MIE083 3 274.608 289.408 274.66 289.18 So so it's it's not that I'm criticizing the product at all . It's just when we eliminate that then what do we bring ? What are we bringing in to take the place of this , and we have to d in my opinion we have to double up . If we lose one we need to bring two or three . 278.3 281.83 283.5 285.61 289.18 IS1002b A MIE080 0 283.891 284.363 283.95 284.22 Mm 'kay . 284.22 IS1002b A MIE080 0 287.965 288.32 288.08 288.29 Okay . 288.29 IS1002b A MIE080 0 290.432 298.752 290.45 298.69 Okay I think that the last point is probably quite uh straightforward . Obviously the the w it has to be branded . 295.18 298.69 IS1002b C MIO026 2 299.248 301.312 299.38 301.312 So then the double R_ will be our our - IS1002b A MIE080 0 299.712 300.15 299.84 299.93 'Kay . 299.93 IS1002b A MIE080 0 303.552 306.672 303.57 306.61 On the product yeah . Can you handle that black and yellow ? 305.24 306.61 IS1002b B MIE029 1 304.88 305.721 304.9 305.721 I think one of - IS1002b C MIO026 2 305.221 306.234 305.29 306.14 I tho I tho I thou - IS1002b C MIO026 2 307.008 309.92 307.03 309.89 I think Rol Ro Rolls-Royce might mind , but don't worry . 308.87 309.89 IS1002b B MIE029 1 310.384 331.913 310.48 331.81 I think w , yeah , one of the things that we should also keep in mind um when we're doing this I mean our company's slogan is we put the fashion in electronics , right . So I think our kind of our target here is to have some kind of very like sleek nice look remote and we want it to be functional as well , but I think one of the main selling points is that 311.24 311.49 318.62 319.46 329.17 IS1002b B MIE029 1 331.913 341.248 332.06 341.248 we don't want it to be clunky like like this thing here . You know we don't wanna a big clunker . We want something that looks nice and it's fashionable and so 334.73 336.41 IS1002b A MIE080 0 334.864 335.152 334.88 335.12 Mm . 335.12 IS1002b D MIE083 3 342.48 343.344 342.54 343.31 So you have this ? 343.31 IS1002b A MIE080 0 343.438 343.808 343.49 343.63 Nah . 343.63 IS1002b A MIE080 0 344.944 348.192 344.96 348.02 So we have three presentations , and I think we'll go in 346.97 IS1002b A MIE080 0 349.728 351.44 349.75 351.41 order of participant number here . 351.41 IS1002b A MIE080 0 353.168 357.968 353.19 357.968 So we can have a look at the working design first from participant two . That's 357.48 IS1002b C MIO026 2 359.296 359.568 359.32 359.53 Yes . 359.53 IS1002b A MIE080 0 359.488 361.115 359.488 360.99 Okay . 360.99 IS1002b B MIE029 1 359.808 360.336 359.83 360.29 That's fine . 360.29 IS1002b B MIE029 1 365.952 367.28 365.97 367.07 Okay so - IS1002b A MIE080 0 367.216 370.512 367.33 370.07 Mm it's enough . But uh click it on off ? 368.21 370.07 IS1002b B MIE029 1 370.128 372.624 370.42 372.59 so you all know me , I'm the Industrial Designer . 371.32 372.59 IS1002b B MIE029 1 374.432 399.364 374.47 399.08 And we've some basic components that um our remote is gonna need , just basically every remote'll need 'em . We need some kinda of power d power source . Um we have to decide on our our user interface , which is his department , but the in user interface is also a major component . Um we need a programmable digital signal processor to um to take the input from the user and translate that into uh 378.5 380.4 382.97 386.36 387.79 390.71 IS1002b B MIE029 1 399.364 408.624 399.62 408.59 into electronic signal , which we pass to the infra-red L_E_D_ , which you aim at the television uh which and it receives that signal . 401.11 404.32 408.59 IS1002b B MIE029 1 409.68 428.992 409.71 428.96 You need a on-off switch um I don't know how that got in there . And uh we also need to um have the if we want a universal remote we need to have encryption codes for the different makes of T_V_s . So we need to know all the different you know all the different signals and so that'll require some memory as well . 413.29 422.23 428.96 IS1002b B MIE029 1 431.456 458.485 431.48 458.17 Um so here's just a basic layout of how how the remote would work . You ha the v the power source is in the upper right-hand corner there , and you can see that uh we have the user interface here which is connected to the chip which does all our signal processing , and then passes that signal on to the infra-red L_E_D_ and that signal is then emitted and received by the television at the photo-transistor . 437.48 441.27 448.6 458.17 IS1002b B MIE029 1 458.485 467.536 458.71 467.5 So those are the basic components that need to go into this and everything else is pretty much uh open to move around . 467.5 IS1002b D MIE083 3 468.016 472.72 468.04 472.72 Now is would this be considered just a standard uh um - IS1002b B MIE029 1 474.08 474.934 474.1 474.86 I think any des - IS1002b D MIE083 3 474.576 482.944 474.6 482.78 This is not this is not cutting edge technology we're talking here . We're talking about existing technology . Nothing is being modified or upgraded or new discoveries . 477.29 479.54 482.78 IS1002b B MIE029 1 477.504 477.808 477.53 477.77 No . 477.77 IS1002b B MIE029 1 479.12 480.017 479.14 480.017 Right I think - IS1002b B MIE029 1 481.552 503.127 481.57 503.127 Yeah this is just this is just a basic layout of ev of all the components that w w are gonna be absolutely necessary f to have a working remote . We can add things in like if we wanted some voice recognition , I mean that I mean that you can kinda say would would fall under the user interface and the digital signal processing chip . But 490.01 493.64 502.46 IS1002b D MIE083 3 501.232 502.384 501.26 502.33 Okay . Okay . 502.02 502.33 IS1002b A MIE080 0 502.336 504.528 502.4 504.49 Do we have an idea of costs of different components ? 504.49 IS1002b B MIE029 1 504.784 521.51 504.8 521.33 Um well the most the most costly components are gonna be the chip and the uh th it could als basically the user interface and the casing are gonna be expensive as well . Um the L_E_D_ and the the transistors and everything else are you know they're they're pretty cheap . 515.13 521.33 IS1002b A MIE080 0 515.258 515.611 515.44 515.58 'Kay . 515.58 IS1002b B MIE029 1 521.51 534.272 521.72 534.23 So depending on what we want our functionality to be , um the chip could be expensive or it could be cheap . Um depending on the n amount of memory we need in there and stuff like that and h and h you know how much power . 524.63 528.0 534.23 IS1002b A MIE080 0 528.019 528.491 528.05 528.34 Mm 'kay . 528.34 IS1002b A MIE080 0 533.504 535.712 533.54 535.68 Do we have any ballpark figures for that yet ? No . 535.5 535.68 IS1002b B MIE029 1 535.664 556.819 535.68 556.66 Uh I don't have any figures right now . We uh we have to wait until we get to a more specific design phase for that . Um but and I think a significant part of the cost could be the actual the actual casing itself and and you know the the b the buttons and things like that , I think . 538.19 542.58 556.15 556.66 IS1002b A MIE080 0 537.792 538.08 537.83 538.05 'Kay . 538.05 IS1002b A MIE080 0 541.776 542.0 541.8 541.97 Yeah . 541.97 IS1002b D MIE083 3 542.432 543.033 542.51 542.92 N okay . 542.92 IS1002b D MIE083 3 554.893 555.196 554.95 555.05 Mm . 555.05 IS1002b D MIE083 3 555.735 556.784 555.81 556.54 Mm the shell ? 556.54 IS1002b B MIE029 1 557.088 558.096 557.11 558.06 Yeah . Basically yeah . 557.44 558.06 IS1002b D MIE083 3 558.016 558.416 558.05 558.36 Okay . 558.36 IS1002b A MIE080 0 561.728 562.016 561.75 561.97 Okay . 561.97 IS1002b B MIE029 1 563.184 564.88 563.22 564.85 So yeah . That's all I have really . 563.69 564.85 IS1002b A MIE080 0 565.328 566.208 565.45 566.17 Okay . Thanks . 565.85 566.17 IS1002b A MIE080 0 570.512 573.808 570.53 573.77 And we have participant three , which I believe is Pedro . 572.63 573.77 IS1002b C MIO026 2 574.302 575.6 574.302 575.6 I - IS1002b A MIE080 0 580.672 582.144 580.69 582.11 I can give you that to click on . 582.11 IS1002b C MIO026 2 581.568 585.12 581.59 585.12 Hey mouse . Open . 583.38 584.78 IS1002b A MIE080 0 585.968 586.622 585.99 586.622 And you wanna get - IS1002b C MIO026 2 587.376 590.611 587.4 590.611 When we're fighting over it's also more lot more fun . 590.41 IS1002b A MIE080 0 589.872 593.952 589.9 593.42 View a slide show , that's what you wanna do , yeah ? Just go up to view . 591.18 591.97 592.77 593.42 IS1002b C MIO026 2 594.544 594.992 594.56 594.96 Uh . 594.96 IS1002b B MIE029 1 594.409 595.376 594.64 595.34 Click , don't Yeah . 594.88 595.34 IS1002b A MIE080 0 595.984 596.288 596.01 596.25 Mm 'kay - IS1002b C MIO026 2 596.64 603.936 596.66 603.49 This doesn't work . So yeah function design . Um you guys know me , Pedro , and um 598.86 600.37 602.02 602.69 IS1002b C MIO026 2 605.36 622.624 605.39 622.57 what I found is we want to do fashion and I think , honestly , we should keep technology low and just simple basically and try to aim for design . If basically a case will will cost the same if it looks good or bad 610.54 611.62 618.07 IS1002b C MIO026 2 623.76 636.256 623.78 636.22 so we ma we have to make it look good . Um something cute and small . The big chunky remotes are died in the eighties . So we should just go for something that people will like to actually look at . 626.04 629.16 631.49 636.22 IS1002b C MIO026 2 637.28 641.105 637.3 640.96 And um although mo most people will buy s - IS1002b C MIO026 2 641.552 664.304 641.57 664.27 televisions and everything for uh that have loads of loads of little functions and everything and they mostly end up using simple functions and little things and most the people won't won't get too mad of actually having to go the to the s to the television to , for instance , tune in their the stations . There's no need to have that in the remote . So um 658.0 658.79 661.37 663.49 IS1002b C MIO026 2 665.888 691.296 665.91 691.296 um as for what I would recommend for uh the the interface design , and uh I will change the colours on the on the logo , but um we should go for the user-oriented device , so simple controls and good ergonomics . Um and uh although I th I th I'm still here recommending the teletext so I'll remove that , I guess , but um we should go for the 670.95 674.57 678.85 682.67 688.64 689.82 IS1002b A MIE080 0 690.96 704.717 690.99 704.35 But I t I think what the the management recommendation was less that there's a worry that teletext will become outdated rather than we shouldn't have it . So I I still think if it's cheap enough functionality-wise to include , it really should be in there . 699.59 703.01 704.35 IS1002b B MIE029 1 704.288 704.64 704.32 704.6 Mm-hmm . 704.6 IS1002b A MIE080 0 704.717 726.032 704.83 726.0 Because otherwise we're just going to I mean even if it's necessary or not , if you if you're given the choice between a t a remote with teletext or without uh when it really if it i if it isn't more expensive for us to k make because as far as I understand it , it can be operated with the same set of buttons , yeah ? So it should be in there . 709.1 722.29 724.15 724.93 726.0 IS1002b B MIE029 1 724.592 731.841 724.61 731.66 Right as far as i it's just uh the cost of an extra button . I mean software-wise there's really no difference . I think . 728.13 731.22 731.66 IS1002b C MIO026 2 724.614 725.59 724.614 725.25 Yeah . 725.25 IS1002b A MIE080 0 728.781 729.151 728.88 729.06 Yeah . 729.06 IS1002b A MIE080 0 731.104 731.939 731.12 731.939 Okay . Isn't 731.37 IS1002b D MIE083 3 731.984 750.528 731.984 750.49 I have maybe a silly question . I in the very beginning it said with the with the advent of computers there's gonna be the it's gonna be out-moded teletext . I I don't understand how those two things are connected . How does how does computers and teletext h how why is one eliminating the need of the other ? I don't understand that . 733.54 740.55 743.29 749.68 750.49 IS1002b A MIE080 0 750.576 758.304 750.6 758.18 Well maybe what we're getting into here is the the idea of uh Internet through the T_V_ for example . So that might play on what we can do . 755.95 758.18 IS1002b C MIO026 2 757.392 768.128 757.41 768.128 Yeah the they're basically aiming at saying that you would use you know a couple of years ago teletext to be the easiest way to check like for uh uh the scheduling and the next programme and stuff like that and now - IS1002b B MIE029 1 764.512 765.392 764.56 765.34 Scheduling . 765.34 IS1002b B MIE029 1 767.472 770.8 767.49 770.77 Um to find out what what you're watching even if there's commercials you know . 770.77 IS1002b C MIO026 2 770.784 777.84 770.8 777.81 Yeah and now you can c look it over Internet . But I still think teletext is way more convenient until until we have the same commodities . 773.01 777.81 IS1002b D MIE083 3 771.008 771.472 771.03 771.42 Okay . 771.42 IS1002b B MIE029 1 774.398 775.936 774.46 775.9 I think I ha - IS1002b D MIE083 3 777.76 794.9 777.78 794.64 Yeah 'cause , yeah , I just I don't see the cross-over between computers and television . I mean I do see the cross-over in some sense , but but but but with the the remote is is used for television , okay . So so if we make the cross-over and we're gonna view television on computers then we're then we're losing the the necessity of the remote . S 778.13 778.32 781.01 783.41 787.54 787.92 794.42 IS1002b B MIE029 1 778.113 778.854 778.23 778.74 I agree . 778.74 IS1002b C MIO026 2 783.35 785.244 783.44 784.97 Yeah , but it's not happen yet . Yeah . 783.59 784.84 784.97 IS1002b B MIE029 1 784.448 785.12 784.47 785.12 Well for me - IS1002b A MIE080 0 785.04 786.848 785.06 786.81 Well you have digital T_V_ still already . 786.81 IS1002b B MIE029 1 788.336 788.842 788.36 788.78 Yeah . 788.78 IS1002b B MIE029 1 791.296 792.486 791.32 792.486 Unless you have a - IS1002b B MIE029 1 794.088 794.492 794.13 794.42 Yeah . 794.42 IS1002b A MIE080 0 794.224 808.549 794.24 808.549 Well there there is a for example on digital T_V_ systems you have you can press a button and you can buy things in adverts , and you can uh you can view through a catalogue for example . A a family member of mine has got a system where you just um you can 799.88 803.02 IS1002b B MIE029 1 800.72 801.024 800.75 800.98 Mm-hmm . 800.98 IS1002b A MIE080 0 808.549 826.72 808.58 826.69 Yeah , and there's other features for example on other systems where you can pause live T_V_ and things like that . They're just features from the Internet uh from computers are are coming into the T_V_ sort of under the covers , but you still use it through a teletext . So now the things to think here are that that there's gonna be more functionality , potentially that we can handle . 808.73 812.23 818.59 820.32 825.26 826.69 IS1002b D MIE083 3 818.448 819.012 818.47 818.83 Okay . 818.83 IS1002b D MIE083 3 820.432 820.864 820.45 820.79 Okay . 820.79 IS1002b C MIO026 2 824.848 833.152 824.87 833.152 Yeah but we we don't we're not aiming a command for that . That's the thing . And all of those require the other commands with more complexity and more software and 827.88 828.45 IS1002b B MIE029 1 832.72 839.504 832.72 839.47 I think a lot of that's proprietary anyways . You're not gonna be able to , you , like command a TiVo with our remote . I don't think . 835.01 836.78 836.89 838.95 839.47 IS1002b A MIE080 0 835.792 836.064 835.82 836.02 Mm . 836.02 IS1002b A MIE080 0 840.096 851.824 840.12 851.73 But still there there's an opportunity . If if it's , for example , a trainable one then we're just simply having like an up , down , left , right , an okay button or something like that might might do as well in future proofing it . 841.68 842.69 843.18 845.75 845.96 846.19 846.77 851.73 IS1002b C MIO026 2 852.368 856.576 852.39 856.576 Yeah but we would increase the price to try to make it a trainable one , so 855.44 IS1002b A MIE080 0 854.4 854.656 854.42 854.62 Mm . 854.62 IS1002b A MIE080 0 857.152 857.52 857.17 857.46 Okay . 857.46 IS1002b C MIO026 2 857.888 866.473 857.91 866.31 Well I dunno . One way the other teletext was there but I guess we can remove it or , you know , make two separate interface designs . 858.87 862.88 863.25 866.31 IS1002b B MIE029 1 864.864 871.344 864.88 871.344 I think if it's possible you should try to you know have a talk with management about that . Just you know 870.35 IS1002b D MIE083 3 871.504 885.305 871.68 885.19 Yeah I don't I don't see the logic . I I don't see the logic in elimination of teletext , I just I I but I'm not a tech-mind either . I just don't see the cross-over between computers and and and 'Cause we are designing something for a television , okay . 873.47 875.71 878.42 884.69 885.19 IS1002b C MIO026 2 871.843 872.348 871.91 872.16 Yeah . 872.16 IS1002b C MIO026 2 873.459 873.997 873.48 873.79 Yeah . 873.79 IS1002b A MIE080 0 876.576 878.214 876.6 878.01 Yeah , and neither do I in fact . 876.8 878.01 IS1002b A MIE080 0 881.616 881.968 881.64 881.93 Bu uh . 881.93 IS1002b A MIE080 0 884.688 894.654 884.71 894.58 I'll communicate that back to those guys there a a and th the message really we wanna be sending to them is that , although teletext may become outdated w there's no l logic in not having it in there anyway 889.49 IS1002b C MIO026 2 894.688 894.928 894.71 894.89 Yeah . 894.89 IS1002b A MIE080 0 894.654 909.232 894.89 909.232 i if it doesn't affect the price . Um but I I think what they're pushing us towards here is in terms of thinking of ways to future-proof our system for future systems that have something else other than teletext maybe . I dunno I'm 896.86 908.62 IS1002b B MIE029 1 895.024 896.887 895.04 896.79 Right it's just not Yeah . 896.79 IS1002b D MIE083 3 896.336 898.453 896.36 898.38 We are selling it to an existing market . 898.38 IS1002b C MIO026 2 896.538 896.942 896.65 896.8 Yeah . 896.8 IS1002b C MIO026 2 908.448 913.856 908.47 913.82 Yeah but we're not putting some there's no no putting anything in in the place of teletext . That's the problem . 913.31 913.82 IS1002b D MIE083 3 909.295 909.766 909.33 909.766 That's - IS1002b D MIE083 3 912.544 930.224 912.56 930.16 Yeah , and and , yeah , and and we're also marketing a product . It's what I'm seeing is a is a mid-range cost product . So so w we can't go and pump a whole bunch of technology into this thing because all of a sudden we are gonna have cost overruns . So if we drop if we are gonna choose to drop teletext , again what are we adding to the product that makes it marketable ? 912.87 913.23 913.54 915.77 918.47 925.02 927.55 930.16 IS1002b A MIE080 0 912.992 913.296 913.01 913.26 Mm 'kay . 913.26 IS1002b A MIE080 0 918.827 919.097 918.89 919.06 Mm . 919.06 IS1002b A MIE080 0 921.554 921.891 921.62 921.86 Yeah . 921.86 IS1002b A MIE080 0 931.168 944.256 931.19 944.2 Hmm . So if we're keeping it basic we're loo loo what we're looking to sell it basically is it's uh just being very easy to use , looking exceptionally good , that sort of thing . 'Cause we really don't have anything else there , do we ? 932.18 939.76 941.25 942.32 943.91 944.2 IS1002b C MIO026 2 944.544 944.832 944.56 944.78 Yeah . 944.78 IS1002b D MIE083 3 944.752 971.92 944.77 971.85 I don't I don't see it , and to me if I'm gonna market a product for b for beauty for for design I'm gonna I'm gonna try to market it at a much higher price . I need to make it special with a high price tag . I don't want to make it economically uh g uh competitive . I want I want to market it as exclusive . So I would market this product it at eighty-nine Euros and come up with some really beautiful exterior design or something th but but I don't think we have that flexibility . 945.88 953.3 955.57 958.89 961.3 971.85 IS1002b A MIE080 0 956.469 957.076 956.6 956.97 Mm-hmm . 956.97 IS1002b A MIE080 0 970.432 992.642 970.45 992.54 But i if design if design is cheap and functionality is basic , then twenty-five Euros is probably a high price for a commoner garden stan standard T_V_ so the place uh remote the then the place we're going to justify that cost is through through design through making it a a sleek elegant high-priced basic remote . Does that make sense , huh ? 973.46 991.4 992.3 992.54 IS1002b D MIE083 3 992.064 1012.096 992.08 1012.06 No I no I I understand what you say , but what I'm what I'm , okay we probably need to move along , but my my concern is trying to find a marketing niche for this product , and if I'm coming in with a with with twenty-five Euros , which is mid-market price , um then what am I going to give these people for this ? So that's just my question , but we can keep talking . 994.2 995.23 997.15 1000.74 1003.97 1005.89 1010.16 1011.14 1012.06 IS1002b A MIE080 0 993.108 993.546 993.27 993.39 Mm . 993.39 IS1002b A MIE080 0 997.008 999.151 997.03 998.97 Yeah we probably should . We we're doing alright for time . 997.99 998.97 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1009.632 1009.936 1009.65 1009.9 Yeah . 1009.9 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1012.368 1014.8 1012.39 1014.77 Okay . Sorry that kinda cut into you there . 1013.4 1014.77 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1014.72 1015.152 1014.86 1015.152 Well - IS1002b C MIO026 2 1015.072 1032.672 1015.27 1032.672 No just I I would I would advocate for continuing teletext and those would be the basic commands . Um as for , you know , the the case design uh maybe I'll come up with more concrete ideas . Right now it's just the idea of simplicity and slickness , cute and small um 1020.83 1022.08 1022.43 1026.24 1030.96 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1031.024 1050.767 1031.05 1050.62 Right . I'm just thinking you know with all these universal remotes that are out there , how many people how many people actually use every feature that ar you know i like these trainable remotes and things like that , where , you know , it's just so confusing to do to use all these functions . Where 1032.12 1035.28 1044.78 1045.48 1046.24 1050.34 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1050.767 1072.096 1050.99 1072.06 I think the largest portion of the market is just gonna you know they lost their T_V_ remote , they need another one that'll work with their T_V_ . They want something that looks nice , that that that isn't gonna break when they drop it , that you know that maybe it's it's ergonomic , it feels good in your hand , something like that . I think that's gonna be where you're gonna find the biggest , you know , market share . 1055.52 1057.75 1059.18 1061.71 1066.1 1067.67 1068.71 1071.12 1071.37 1072.06 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1067.071 1067.543 1067.25 1067.5 Mm . 1067.5 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1073.056 1077.76 1073.08 1077.76 So we are looking for something that looks good and just works , rather than looking for any special features . Is that 1075.61 1077.4 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1077.52 1100.012 1077.54 1100.012 I think the more bells and whistles we add , it's just gonna cut into our into our profits . Because I think as we as we add costs for things like uh for like if we add the voice recognition and things like that , I think you know what percentage of the of the um of the market is actually gonna use that ? Maybe five percent , you know , and how much 1079.2 1081.89 1090.05 1096.55 1098.56 1099.25 IS1002b C MIO026 2 1077.711 1078.289 1077.711 1078.21 Yeah . 1078.21 IS1002b C MIO026 2 1096.437 1096.909 1096.57 1096.79 Yeah mm . 1096.79 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1096.928 1097.424 1096.97 1097.22 Mm . 1097.22 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1098.528 1108.624 1098.55 1108.59 But we can talk a little bit more potentially in the marketing marketing presentation about this . Be a good idea . Uh sorry , I didn't mean to cut in . I'm not the boss . Okay . 1102.86 1103.8 1104.44 1106.55 1108.32 1108.59 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1100.95 1101.36 1101.12 1101.31 Right . 1101.31 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1102.256 1103.478 1102.28 1103.4 Yeah okay . I'm sorry . 1102.9 1103.4 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1104.429 1105.775 1104.429 1105.63 Yeah . 1105.63 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1105.152 1106.576 1105.17 1106.06 Sorry boss . 1106.06 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1108.544 1113.776 1108.56 1113.68 Oh P Pedro , I just want to say quickly I I would really like it when you can come up with some more bells and whistles , eh . 1109.28 1113.58 1113.68 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1114.88 1125.136 1114.91 1125.136 You know sell uh things come to my mind is uh uh something that's uh um voice-activated . I know we're getting into some , I hope , some big money on this thing , but 1122.07 1123.39 1123.74 1125.01 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1124.704 1126.496 1124.76 1126.46 I think that's probably a question more for - IS1002b D MIE083 3 1127.2 1129.716 1127.24 1129.58 Is that for over here ? Okay , alright . 1128.85 1129.22 1129.58 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1127.453 1129.072 1127.66 1129.04 for this guy here , yeah . 1128.79 1129.04 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1128.176 1131.904 1128.2 1131.87 Yeah . Well it's kinda both of us . Us us user interface . 1129.3 1130.41 1131.87 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1130.544 1131.906 1130.59 1131.72 Is it ? Okay . 1131.32 1131.72 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1130.96 1131.39 1130.98 1131.39 That's - IS1002b D MIE083 3 1132.192 1158.475 1132.21 1158.06 'Cause uh and I think of voice-activated I think of of how many times I've I've lost my my remote and I can't find it . So some way that I can I can find my remote by clapping my hands or something uh and and so so um But this 's just something . I'm trying to find some bells and whistles 'cause when they talk about tel taking out teletext , it's like , what are we gonna put in ? What makes this thing attractive ? And it's only for televisions . 1139.78 1150.01 1153.57 1153.87 1154.93 1156.51 1158.06 IS1002b C MIO026 2 1132.42 1132.925 1132.55 1132.72 Mm-hmm . 1132.72 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1140.275 1140.78 1140.33 1140.54 Mm-hmm . 1140.54 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1142.464 1143.479 1142.48 1143.31 I was thinking about that . 1143.31 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1144.096 1147.022 1144.12 1147.022 Then your lights would go off , though . 1145.09 1146.53 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1144.624 1144.96 1144.66 1144.93 Mm . 1144.93 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1158.475 1185.76 1158.71 1185.72 So we everyth our our competition out there has got these these multiple adaptors where they can use 'em for their V_C_R_s , their D_V_D_s , their their televisions and we're coming out with one remote for television only . And so to me we have to make this a really special product I I I don't s I really have to say I don't see the market niche for this product . At this price I don't see it yet . I'm I I go along with this , because this is what we're given to try to market , but I I don't see the market niche for this product 1165.73 1166.73 1171.95 1178.26 1179.74 1181.31 1183.66 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1172.847 1173.235 1172.88 1173.18 Yeah . 1173.18 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1187.184 1187.52 1187.2 1187.47 Hmm . 1187.47 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1187.824 1193.264 1187.87 1193.23 without without some really sort of something really special to identify it as as unique in the market . 1193.23 IS1002b C MIO026 2 1194.112 1195.776 1194.21 1195.65 But we th that should be design . 1195.65 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1196.256 1196.688 1196.31 1196.63 Yeah . 1196.63 IS1002b C MIO026 2 1196.784 1202.032 1196.92 1201.97 That should be the design basically . I think technology we'd we we're not in the price range to do it . 1198.74 1201.97 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1198.016 1198.257 1198.04 1198.22 Right . 1198.22 IS1002b C MIO026 2 1203.2 1211.004 1203.22 1210.84 We don't have the money to do it towards t f technology so we should we should aim at design . Yeah . Yeah . 1209.52 1210.59 1210.84 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1207.162 1207.667 1207.25 1207.59 Okay . 1207.59 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1208.016 1216.528 1208.04 1216.41 Have to do you have to do it in the box ? Okay well , so so that's up to you then to to make this box in something that's absolutely extraordinary . 1209.94 1211.04 1216.41 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1219.792 1220.16 1219.81 1220.13 Okay . 1220.13 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1219.888 1222.832 1219.91 1222.79 Maybe make it in the form of a gun . We can sell it in United States . 1221.21 1222.79 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1222.816 1240.08 1222.816 1240.08 I have a question uh for you . Does any of the um the features that Pedro's spoken about here have any implications we might not have thought about on in terms of just pure functionality ? In terms of making it work or the cost of that or 1226.0 1237.34 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1238.24 1239.184 1238.26 1239.184 I don't - IS1002b B MIE029 1 1239.888 1242.688 1239.91 1242.65 I think all these things are pretty standard . I think we'll be okay . 1241.72 1242.65 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1242.928 1243.248 1242.95 1243.21 Okay . 1243.21 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1244.288 1245.76 1244.53 1245.72 'Kay . Cheers . 1245.28 1245.72 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1248.496 1250.674 1248.56 1250.52 Onto participant four . 1250.52 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1260.704 1267.312 1260.72 1267.28 Well you know for marketing f marketing for me is uh and uh how do I go here ? Okay . 1266.92 1267.28 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1269.152 1270.829 1269.18 1270.72 Mm you can just click . 1270.72 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1270.4 1272.656 1270.43 1272.62 Go go . Is that right ? 1272.29 1272.62 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1272.32 1275.152 1272.34 1275.12 No no no you just get off that . You just click anywhere . 1273.97 1275.12 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1275.44 1297.91 1275.46 1297.67 Ah-ha . Yeah , what for me is it um I d I don't know what I'm marketing right now , okay , 'til you spoke and when I wrote this , I don't know what I'm marketing . I just know that I I was identified as a a we identified ourselves as a as a developer , as a manufacturer , and as a as a um distributor t to other wholesalers . 1276.5 1276.96 1281.93 1282.34 1283.92 1285.35 1292.0 1293.26 1297.67 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1297.91 1324.523 1298.1 1324.38 And so the th the twenty-five Euros that we've identified as the sale price is a wholesale price rather than a retail price . That's what we decided here . Um so what I did is I I decided that that this this needs to be a product in a in a sense can market itself . So what we've identified here as our main marketing stratagem is is in design . 1307.41 1309.46 1318.34 1324.38 IS1002b C MIO026 2 1305.904 1306.438 1305.97 1306.21 Mm-hmm . 1306.21 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1324.523 1356.976 1324.62 1356.71 We're making the most beautiful attractive uh whatever we decide it is . So that means we have about seven more minutes or ten minutes left . Um so I would like to have a product that that we can sell easily . So I say inspiration , so having something beauty , something attractive , uh something that in a sense will sell itself . Uh innovation I think fits into what we're talking about here with design . Uh cutting edge technology , I don't think we're gonna have that , these were ideas I was putting together , 1329.8 1333.88 1340.19 1341.59 1342.98 1344.59 1347.42 1351.8 1353.49 1354.93 1356.71 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1332.992 1333.424 1333.1 1333.38 Mm-hmm . 1333.38 IS1002b C MIO026 2 1347.072 1347.472 1347.1 1347.4 Mm-hmm . 1347.4 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1356.976 1381.521 1357.18 1381.26 um unless we come up with some New Age product a as far as the casing is concerned . I I wanna make this thing something that I can identify as special in some way , so maybe we can have some I I talked about environmentally sensitive , uh maybe we have a product that can be identified in some way as advantageous in a home . I don't know . These are just thoughts . 1364.34 1369.5 1373.44 1378.82 1380.38 1381.26 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1381.521 1402.064 1381.71 1402.03 Uh I wanted to talk about uh who we are as a as a corporation , that we're new , we're aggressive , we're competitive , we're we're trying to provide a product from a new perspective rather than from an old corporate line . So to me it's about selling d uh our identity our corporate identity along with the product . 1386.12 1387.4 1388.2 1389.41 1395.77 1402.03 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1405.12 1409.952 1405.12 1409.92 Um what I found is that the projected costs are competitive . 1409.92 IS1002b C MIO026 2 1410.88 1411.325 1410.91 1411.29 Mm-hmm . 1411.29 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1411.056 1429.152 1411.08 1429.152 Uh we're kind of in the middle of the market , but what I'm seeing is that the market is ready for I I identified new technology , but again , because what I see is budget restrictions and limitations , I don't know that we can bring any new technology into this thing . If if we could have a technological something 1413.42 1417.98 1418.46 1421.8 1424.7 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1429.344 1443.27 1429.37 1442.97 I have an idea . And it's kind of along the s lines of environmentally sensitive , and it may even fit into ergonomics , and even kind of address the issue of losing losing the remote , what we were saying it's a common issue . 1431.03 1434.12 1436.24 1441.22 1442.97 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1429.803 1431.056 1429.82 1430.96 Mm p please . 1430.96 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1442.288 1442.762 1442.33 1442.72 Mm . 1442.72 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1443.27 1467.236 1443.6 1467.09 Um what we can do is , well you know that batteries throwing a aw remotes run through batteries like crazy . Right ? And s for some people Yeah . Well maybe not a solar remote but instead what about if we had like a power cradle ? Like a a cradle that is is there to hold the remote when you're not using it , so you'll always know where the remote is 'cause you have to put it back there to charge the remote , 1445.18 1450.3 1451.41 1453.93 1458.79 1463.31 1467.09 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1448.928 1453.184 1448.928 1453.184 Solar . 1453.01 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1449.872 1450.112 1449.89 1450.08 Yeah . 1450.08 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1455.344 1456.16 1455.36 1456.16 But solar - IS1002b B MIE029 1 1467.236 1480.165 1467.39 1479.95 and we can , instead of having instead of having , you know , replaceable batteries we'll just have a power cell that stays there for the life of the remote . You never have to get go through the go through uh all these different batteries . 1467.99 1470.02 1470.38 1474.67 1479.95 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1480.165 1500.752 1480.27 1500.72 And also you can I I think it's a good opportunity for the user design or for not just for the user design , but also for the just for the look and feel of the remote as as a whole . You know you could have some kind of neat little , you know , a sexy design for d a cradle and the remote itself . 1487.89 1492.61 1496.37 1497.35 1500.72 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1500.72 1504.704 1500.74 1504.67 Blah , I like it . I like the idea , but we're talking about in cost is gonna probably double . 1500.93 1501.62 1502.31 1504.67 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1505.088 1506.942 1505.28 1506.85 It w it would increase the cost . 1506.85 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1506.528 1513.984 1506.65 1513.62 But boy , we can sell this thing , because there's no batteries , it's environmentally sensitive , i we can identify it as a safer product in some form . 1507.13 1508.02 1509.2 1510.71 1513.62 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1513.536 1516.624 1513.56 1516.57 And you could page the remote if you lose it . Maybe there's a button on the cradle . 1515.28 1516.57 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1516.544 1519.95 1516.56 1519.85 Yep , that's right . I really see But the cost i 1516.87 1517.88 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1518.768 1522.464 1518.79 1522.43 Now the the question is can we make this for less than twelve-fifty per ? 1522.43 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1522.099 1526.478 1522.15 1526.42 No no . No no , we have t we have to change the end cost . There's uh I mean I don't see it anyway . 1522.72 1522.99 1524.67 1526.42 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1524.976 1529.744 1525.0 1529.744 We we well do we necessarily have to change the end cost because uh - IS1002b A MIE080 0 1531.072 1538.096 1531.09 1538.06 Can we dl can we do that without uh changing it twelve-fifty per product , if we basically can sell more based on this ? 1535.91 1538.06 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1538.736 1542.885 1538.76 1542.64 Yeah , that's gonna be up to these guys . I my reaction is no , but 1538.91 1540.29 1542.36 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1540.304 1540.72 1540.32 1540.68 Well - IS1002b B MIE029 1 1541.411 1554.0 1541.411 1553.97 what I can do is I can d look into ho well Pedro and I can look into how much this might increase our our costs and you can look into what kind of effect an increased cost is gonna have on our on our final numbers . 1553.97 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1548.832 1549.274 1548.85 1549.05 Mm-hmm . 1549.05 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1555.424 1559.136 1555.45 1559.136 Yeah we we can certainly push for a more expensive product if that's gonna be - IS1002b D MIE083 3 1558.192 1580.034 1558.21 1579.82 Well , see I I see I I'm an advocate to make this an exclusive product . You know , let's let's sell this wholesale for for fifty Euros , sixty Euros . Let's make this thing really exclusive , environmentally sensitive , uh high-tech design , uh ergonomics , all of this . Just make this thing uh , yeah , the the the Rolls Royce of of remote controls . 1558.32 1562.55 1562.83 1566.28 1567.01 1568.73 1570.39 1572.44 1573.59 1574.12 1576.1 1576.34 1579.82 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1579.552 1580.878 1579.57 1580.878 I I - IS1002b D MIE083 3 1580.034 1588.896 1580.18 1588.86 Every home's got to have it . If you don't have one , hey what kind of remote do you have ? Oh you've got one of those , oh fantastic , I want one of those too . I just don't have enough money right now . 1581.34 1582.16 1583.52 1584.85 1585.98 1587.25 1588.86 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1587.174 1587.544 1587.2 1587.42 Yeah . 1587.42 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1589.056 1615.088 1589.08 1615.088 I just don't know about that , because in order to do that in order to price it at that kind of level I think we'd need to have every functionality that all the other competitors are offering like being able to operate , you know , the D_V_D_ player and , you know , the stereo system and all that . Which is a pretty basic function that w we've opted out of . And additionally we're m maybe not supporting teletext um 1590.09 1602.05 1602.52 1604.3 1604.7 1606.37 1610.1 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1615.568 1619.638 1615.59 1619.46 Nah , I think we can say with certainty now that we are supporting teletext . 1615.69 1619.46 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1618.8 1623.84 1618.82 1623.8 But I do think there are some basic features that we don't have that a lot of other remotes are going to have . 1623.8 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1624.256 1653.486 1624.3 1653.36 Yep , one one thing I don't understand is h they've they've given us this package , okay . Now uh in my opinion we need to give them a package back , okay . They say they say okay here you go . They gave us a fundament a foundation of of what they want , and and w it's our place to kinda analyse and evaluate . I don't think it's our place to create their product for them , maybe it is . I don't know what kind of role we have in this in the corporate ladder uh , but to me it's like , okay , you have got your here's our ideas , okay . 1624.95 1628.66 1629.54 1633.06 1633.37 1635.22 1638.97 1641.96 1644.47 1645.48 1649.32 1650.63 1650.97 1652.91 1653.36 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1628.992 1629.312 1629.02 1629.27 Mm-hmm . 1629.27 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1638.656 1638.976 1638.69 1638.93 Mm-hmm . 1638.93 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1639.002 1639.436 1639.08 1639.35 Mm-hmm . 1639.35 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1653.072 1653.476 1653.19 1653.42 Mm . 1653.42 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1653.486 1670.144 1653.56 1670.07 And then let them look at those ideas and they say , yeah well , we can we can raise the price twenty percent , you know we like this idea , this idea no , but to me it's it's about a choice , do we follow their directives or do we make uh presentations back and and then and then discuss ? 1655.59 1656.07 1659.47 1660.71 1661.9 1664.28 1670.07 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1671.472 1677.136 1671.49 1677.1 beca I I do not I do not see the market niche for the product that they're handing f handing us right now . I don't see it . 1676.55 1677.1 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1676.064 1676.4 1676.09 1676.37 Mm . 1676.37 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1676.688 1698.624 1676.71 1698.624 I don I I d I have to disagree though . I think our market niche is basically people who need who have lost their remote or uh who've broken their remote and don't wanna send back to the manufacturer , they just wanna run out to the store and get a remote , and then they're gonna look on the shelf and they're gonna see ours is the nicest looking remote . It does what they need . These aren't I I think that it 1678.97 1689.46 1691.62 1695.04 1696.26 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1698.16 1710.903 1698.18 1710.49 And and th to get to back to another point , sorry uh uh for cutting in but , I th I think it's important to remember that that this remote has to work with multiple T_V_s , yeah , 'cause it's selling on its own . It's not going to be specifically for Hitachi T_V_s or or whatever . 1700.19 1701.95 1706.13 1706.4 1707.38 1710.49 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1706.684 1707.257 1706.7 1706.85 Right . 1706.85 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1708.08 1708.474 1708.1 1708.37 Right . 1708.37 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1708.944 1709.545 1708.98 1709.49 Right . 1709.49 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1710.0 1710.768 1710.05 1710.73 No I understand that . 1710.73 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1710.903 1732.544 1711.09 1732.51 So technologically , if I understand it , uh T_V_s T_V_ remote's working exactly the same way as video remotes and D_V_D_ remotes . All you need to do is train them to the individual one , all you need to do is is know the the f like some four-digit code . So saying that it works with all T_V_s is equivalent to saying that it'll work with D_V_D_s and other things . 1713.07 1714.49 1720.31 1722.47 1726.28 1732.51 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1726.314 1726.783 1726.33 1726.61 Mm-hmm . 1726.61 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1731.296 1760.665 1731.32 1760.665 Nope , they've identified the product as not working for anything but televisions . They've identified this product limita That's why I say I don't I don't see the market niche for this . If we if w if we were going to have a product that worked for D_V_D_s , V_C_R_s and everything , then I can see the market niche , but we we're only identified as going for televisions without teletext . And it's like whoa we ha in my opinion we have to go with something that's extremely exclusive to make this thing marketable , because who wants just a television remote ? I don't . 1731.62 1734.94 1739.91 1743.54 1745.05 1746.73 1751.18 1757.24 1759.46 1760.61 IS1002b C MIO026 2 1734.752 1736.354 1734.77 1736.354 Yeah y y you you wouldn't - IS1002b A MIE080 0 1735.008 1736.656 1735.03 1736.5 Oh okay okay . We have done this . 1735.63 1736.5 IS1002b C MIO026 2 1737.44 1738.688 1737.46 1738.53 The interface will be different . 1738.53 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1739.813 1740.385 1739.94 1740.32 I see . 1740.32 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1745.16 1745.598 1745.18 1745.56 Mm-hmm . 1745.56 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1751.194 1751.665 1751.37 1751.59 Right . 1751.59 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1755.84 1756.643 1755.86 1756.643 Well here's - IS1002b A MIE080 0 1757.072 1758.613 1757.09 1758.39 And I I'd Mm sorry . 1758.39 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1758.387 1758.791 1758.46 1758.65 Right . 1758.65 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1759.498 1782.832 1759.56 1782.8 We he well here's my thing about that . If you're in the market for this ultimate remote , you're not gonna go for just a television remote . If it can't control if it can't control your your D_V_D_ player and a al if y if you can't get that all-in-one ultimate remote , that just you can throw all your other remotes away . I'm not gonna buy a d seventy-five Euro remote . 1761.9 1765.56 1768.46 1776.41 1779.47 1782.8 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1768.944 1769.312 1768.96 1769.27 That's right . 1769.27 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1783.008 1792.016 1783.03 1791.96 I I I have a tendency to agree with you . I really do . That's why I say I quest I q I question the marketability of the product . I really question where we create the demand . 1785.17 1786.08 1789.49 1791.96 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1786.016 1787.52 1786.04 1787.49 So we really can't chase that . 1787.49 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1790.304 1793.119 1790.32 1793.119 So I think what we So that's what I'm saying - IS1002b A MIE080 0 1792.016 1813.134 1792.04 1812.9 We're really looking for something basic . The the one thing that that that you said really struck a chord with me here in that we're we're carrying the corporate identity with the product , but we're actually looking for a large profit at the same time where I'd be inclined to go back to upper-level management and say like let's just cut down our profit expected on this product because we are actually branding our company here . We're selling more than just the product . 1793.79 1799.99 1811.41 1812.9 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1813.134 1824.256 1813.27 1824.22 We're trying to get mind-share about uh Real Reaction to to the people who are gonna buy consumer electronics . We want people to eventually say , oh that's that's Real Reaction that's a good m make . It's reliable . 1819.67 1820.8 1823.62 1824.22 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1825.344 1844.16 1825.36 1844.12 And and we're gonna make it we're gonna win mind-share by uh either being a fantastic product or for it working , it just being good , reasonable-priced , and solid . So if we can make if we can put an emphasis here on it not breaking I think that's in itself an extremely big thing . 1832.19 1833.85 1835.62 1836.65 1844.12 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1840.079 1840.382 1840.1 1840.34 Mm-hmm . 1840.34 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1841.968 1842.864 1841.99 1842.83 I think that's big . 1842.83 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1843.056 1863.456 1843.08 1863.38 W okay if you if you drop the cost , now if you make if you make go to the other side of the cost scale , and you make it less expensive , then all of a sudden now we're going into an a a new market area . So we can say low-cost uh uh um uh good design , beautiful , wa-da-da-da-da-da . But what I'm saying is right now we're middle market . 1845.02 1847.73 1850.01 1853.89 1859.2 1860.18 1861.21 1863.38 IS1002b C MIO026 2 1857.856 1858.454 1857.88 1858.36 Good design . 1858.36 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1859.154 1860.973 1859.31 1860.45 We only have a few minutes left . 1860.45 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1864.336 1868.16 1864.52 1868.13 Is twenty-five Euros a mid-market price for a remote ? Okay . 1867.8 1868.13 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1867.44 1897.873 1867.46 1897.74 Yeah for for multi for a multi-function remote , that's a mid-market price . In a discount right now you can buy 'em on sale sometimes for about about uh eighteen , nineteen Euro , and that's for the multi-functions , uh D_V_D_ , V_C_R_ , uh catch-alls . And and they have 'em in a little box in the middle , and and this is the consciousness that most people have about replacement remote controls . So to me , to market this a t only a television remote control we have to change consciousness . 1870.24 1871.22 1876.96 1878.12 1880.06 1881.11 1882.4 1883.86 1886.14 1891.81 1893.01 1897.74 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1867.952 1868.72 1867.97 1868.69 I think so , yeah . 1868.48 1868.69 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1878.441 1878.946 1878.55 1878.74 Okay . 1878.74 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1897.873 1908.128 1898.05 1908.09 We have to have something that will change people's thinking to identify this as advantageous , and I don't know what that is . It's gotta be low-cost or high-cost with with special design features . 1902.8 1903.89 1908.09 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1908.544 1918.055 1908.56 1918.01 Well I'd be inclined to say , if we can make the design better than any comparable remote while reducing the cost , then that's the way we really should play it . 1910.07 1916.07 1918.01 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1918.112 1918.384 1918.13 1918.35 Yeah . 1918.35 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1918.055 1928.16 1918.4 1928.13 If we can take it down to you know fifteen rather than twenty-five and make a low profit-margin on it , but we're really doing that to sell the brand . Yep we have five minutes left . 1924.28 1927.09 1928.13 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1929.392 1939.856 1929.41 1939.81 Uh rather th uh to to to sell for Real Reactions . And I can communicate this to to the more senior uh mm people within the company here to to get a reaction . 1931.95 1939.81 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1929.648 1930.422 1929.67 1930.422 Or my d - IS1002b B MIE029 1 1940.704 1945.92 1940.72 1945.82 What about um the idea that I had with the cradle ? How do you feel about that ? 1944.96 1945.82 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1947.232 1948.504 1947.25 1948.24 Or how does everybody feel ? 1948.24 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1947.568 1949.542 1947.6 1949.542 Well how does everybody feel ? I I think 1948.68 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1948.062 1954.544 1948.062 1954.544 I mean I I well we g we're talking about the other end now . I like it . I like the idea , but we have t we have to find out 1951.6 1952.11 1952.85 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1952.288 1956.128 1952.31 1956.09 No , but I that's the thing I I don't think it's necessarily the other end . 1952.45 1956.09 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1956.048 1970.627 1956.08 1970.44 The other the o the problem with that in my mind I just think off-hand as a as a consumer , would I wanna buy that ? And I think maybe not because I've got a remote and I'll take it to different chairs , I'll take it to different I w I don't wanna go over somewhere and put it down . 1960.39 1961.69 1967.19 1970.44 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1967.296 1967.616 1967.38 1967.58 Mm-hmm . 1967.58 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1970.627 1981.44 1970.7 1981.44 It i if it is gonna be somewhere that you put it down then it needs to be at the side of your armchair , and that implies that there's only one T_V_ user . So it's very good for some people but it's not a like 1975.89 1977.9 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1970.688 1970.928 1970.71 1970.89 Right . 1970.89 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1980.256 1986.144 1980.28 1986.11 Well it lasts it would last for several hours on its own power , but when you're done with it you put it back in the cradle . 1983.93 1986.11 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1986.064 1993.696 1986.08 1993.696 But it it takes away the ease of use of the remote to a certain extent . You have to l sort of remember . You have to d shift down the side of the couch to find it and put it back and 1988.71 1990.15 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1988.064 1988.768 1988.08 1988.768 Yeah well it - IS1002b B MIE029 1 1990.128 1990.416 1990.15 1990.34 Mm-hmm . 1990.34 IS1002b B MIE029 1 1993.664 1993.952 1993.69 1993.9 Mm-hmm . 1993.9 IS1002b A MIE080 0 1994.688 2004.576 1994.71 2004.54 Yeah . I d I d I d I think it it in my mind it doesn't seem like something that oh I'd really want uh because of that fact . But I I don't know , that's just my opinion . 1996.04 2003.09 2003.71 2004.54 IS1002b D MIE083 3 1995.008 1997.618 1995.008 1997.618 Well . 1997.43 IS1002b D MIE083 3 2000.816 2001.389 2000.99 2001.29 Mm . 2001.29 IS1002b D MIE083 3 2004.544 2027.808 2004.56 2027.71 Well , I think again it's it we have a cost issue here . You know if we're gonna go in this direction , to me we're going to the other side of the cost range . Are we gonna make this selling selling the cost as a high high-tech uh um environmentally sensitive whatever , or are we gonna go to the lower side of the range ? Again I don't see our market niche in the middle for our product yet . I don't see it yet . 2004.72 2007.81 2009.21 2011.66 2019.7 2023.1 2026.8 2027.71 IS1002b A MIE080 0 2011.698 2012.203 2011.8 2011.97 Mm . 2011.97 IS1002b A MIE080 0 2026.85 2027.22 2027.0 2027.19 'Kay . 2027.19 IS1002b A MIE080 0 2028.305 2032.544 2028.305 2032.5 So what do we think maybe we should Pedro , do you have any opinion on it ? 2030.94 2032.5 IS1002b C MIO026 2 2032.72 2040.72 2032.88 2040.69 Uh we should keep it simple , mm medium-low cost mar um cost area and uh make it look good . 2034.45 2040.69 IS1002b D MIE083 3 2041.216 2053.296 2041.96 2053.26 W a question I have in in a 'cause I I I think I agree with you on , we gotta make it a box . The box is gonna sell it I think , the outside , the casing . Can can can we have multiple designs ? 2046.48 2047.83 2049.15 2049.66 2050.36 2053.26 IS1002b A MIE080 0 2048.995 2050.217 2049.13 2050.1 Really need to wrap up now . 2050.1 IS1002b D MIE083 3 2055.104 2066.4 2055.14 2066.4 Have a modern , have a traditional , have a you know , and so so instead of them all looking the same , people can have maybe four or five different designs they can choose from . I don't know what that creates cost , or 2055.88 2057.11 2058.3 2060.91 2064.51 2066.1 IS1002b B MIE029 1 2066.512 2074.288 2066.53 2074.288 Well the the problem with that is we may end up with a whole bunch of inventory of a of a poor design you know . So 2073.81 IS1002b D MIE083 3 2071.088 2073.984 2071.11 2073.95 Yep one over another . Yeah , okay , I hear that . 2072.66 2072.93 2073.57 2073.95 IS1002b C MIO026 2 2074.24 2075.472 2074.26 2075.472 Yeah , complicated but 2074.71 IS1002b B MIE029 1 2076.048 2080.592 2076.07 2080.592 Um but what we could do is some kind of well I mean - IS1002b B MIE029 1 2082.947 2114.544 2082.947 2114.51 Yeah we we need to , I mean , have a few designs to look at and then come up with something that I think we all agree is , you know , the best fit . I think w what's really important is it has to look good , it has to feel it has to feel good in your hand , it has to be durable , it has to a and I think it's really important that it doesn't look cheap . I think I think we have to make sure people look at it an and feel like it its like a quality remote . Even though the cost may be low . 2085.46 2085.73 2092.41 2092.86 2094.01 2096.95 2099.96 2101.45 2105.82 2113.07 2114.51 IS1002b A MIE080 0 2099.861 2100.302 2099.89 2100.06 Yeah . 2100.06 IS1002b C MIO026 2 2105.785 2106.391 2105.86 2106.24 Yeah . 2106.24 IS1002b D MIE083 3 2113.12 2115.136 2113.14 2115.04 What ab what ab what about a - IS1002b D MIE083 3 2117.376 2121.056 2117.4 2120.99 a remote that's that doesn't maybe look like a remote ? 2120.99 IS1002b D MIE083 3 2123.488 2136.224 2123.51 2136.18 Just an idea . Just just okay 'cause I mean we all know what a remote looks like on the outside . They're selling these things everywhere . Maybe that could be part of our design exclusivity , is we make a remote that doesn't even look like a remote it it opens like a telephone . 2124.31 2127.91 2129.48 2132.19 2136.18 IS1002b B MIE029 1 2124.144 2124.432 2124.16 2124.4 Mm-hmm . 2124.4 IS1002b B MIE029 1 2136.192 2137.76 2136.21 2137.71 Or what if it looks like a pen ? 2137.71 IS1002b D MIE083 3 2137.68 2157.232 2137.88 2157.2 Doesn't matter , yeah . I'm just jus I talking about some something to make this thing unique . It That's the thing , I'm gonna keep thumping on . I'll sell whatever you guys design . I don't have a problem selling a product , that's not the issue . I give you ideas , you guys create the product . Once you have the finished product I'll find a way to sell it . Don't worry about it . I just give you these things now , because these are my thoughts and feelings . 2138.43 2138.71 2142.14 2142.99 2144.11 2145.75 2147.38 2148.46 2149.41 2150.83 2153.63 2154.38 2155.62 2157.2 IS1002b B MIE029 1 2138.5 2138.938 2138.58 2138.86 Yeah . 2138.86 IS1002b B MIE029 1 2139.894 2140.544 2139.91 2140.51 A pointer ? 2140.51 IS1002b B MIE029 1 2143.856 2144.176 2143.89 2144.13 Yeah . 2144.13 IS1002b A MIE080 0 2144.523 2144.961 2144.61 2144.79 Mm . 2144.79 IS1002b B MIE029 1 2145.632 2145.84 2145.65 2145.81 Yeah . 2145.81 IS1002b C MIO026 2 2157.452 2158.093 2157.56 2157.88 Okay . 2157.88 IS1002b B MIE029 1 2157.616 2157.936 2157.64 2157.9 So - IS1002b B MIE029 1 2159.088 2175.744 2159.11 2175.63 just to touch on m my point one last time that I had brought up . Um I really un unless you guys are die-hard against the fact that um it's possible like it reduces the usability of the remote b and the fact that you can't lose it on your own , 2163.04 2175.63 IS1002b B MIE029 1 2177.312 2181.488 2177.33 2181.45 I think it still might be a good idea to investigate having like a power cradle . 2181.45 IS1002b A MIE080 0 2180.624 2181.03 2180.64 2180.84 Yeah . 2180.84 IS1002b C MIO026 2 2182.672 2183.679 2182.69 2183.58 Okay . Yeah . 2183.11 2183.58 IS1002b B MIE029 1 2183.184 2199.216 2183.2 2199.216 Because I really think i in a certain sense it almost like for me I would want to have that just , because I know at the end of when I'm done watching T_V_ that when I'm done , oh I better go find the remote and put it back where it belongs . Maybe th th th that's just some people that like that . A lot of people 2188.82 2193.38 2195.76 2198.54 IS1002b A MIE080 0 2198.343 2218.32 2198.48 2218.29 I mean there's al there's also remote controls I remember that that worked uh , this hasn't been done in a while I think , but th as a as a watch . Yeah , there is remote control watches um , but I think they're a sorta eighties thing , so it might not be easy to market in it uh but the the technologies came along and it might be cheaper to make now . Those things may have been inexpensive for all I know . 2202.54 2204.28 2205.92 2206.21 2208.37 2210.64 2216.48 2218.29 IS1002b D MIE083 3 2198.283 2199.458 2198.64 2199.17 No no . 2199.17 IS1002b B MIE029 1 2205.328 2206.74 2205.35 2206.67 As a watch ? Mm 'kay . 2206.29 2206.67 IS1002b C MIO026 2 2213.44 2215.134 2213.46 2214.99 Yeah they are not simple . 2214.99 IS1002b B MIE029 1 2218.592 2218.944 2218.62 2218.87 Mm-hmm . 2218.87 IS1002b D MIE083 3 2219.152 2249.376 2219.17 2249.33 One thing I just thought about when you were saying that , is that the p our target market is gonna be someone who has lost or broken We gotta stop ? Who's lost or broken their their remote . So how many remotes do they wanna buy ? Can we p can we sell them a remote that can maybe guarantee they will not need to buy another one ? And so with with with this kind of system or locator or something , to to think about , how have people been been losing or breaking their remote ? How does this happen ? 2221.56 2227.4 2230.71 2233.62 2240.4 2243.9 2245.56 2248.45 2249.33 IS1002b B MIE029 1 2226.64 2227.772 2226.66 2227.63 That's what I was saying . 2227.63 IS1002b A MIE080 0 2227.375 2228.355 2227.375 2228.16 Gotta cut up . 2228.16 IS1002b B MIE029 1 2237.904 2238.652 2237.94 2238.62 Exactly . 2238.62 IS1002b A MIE080 0 2240.0 2240.336 2240.03 2240.28 Mm . 2240.28 IS1002b C MIO026 2 2240.288 2240.684 2240.31 2240.53 Yeah . 2240.53 IS1002b B MIE029 1 2242.107 2242.646 2242.15 2242.5 Mm-hmm . 2242.5 IS1002b B MIE029 1 2247.663 2248.269 2247.82 2248.1 Mm-hmm . 2248.1 IS1002b A MIE080 0 2249.488 2250.816 2249.61 2250.78 The last remote you'll ever buy . 2250.78 IS1002b B MIE029 1 2249.728 2251.264 2249.75 2251.264 And also presumably they've - IS1002b D MIE083 3 2250.864 2259.158 2250.88 2259.08 And and then and then design the product , maybe some component of the product that can identify this as the last one you'll ever need to buy . 2252.85 2259.08 IS1002b A MIE080 0 2258.704 2278.181 2258.72 2277.94 Well if if we're going down that then we can we don't need to go the it it strikes me that the locator feature might actually be uh quite expensive to make . Whereas actually just putting it in a power cradle might not be too expensive at all because that's just done with mobile phones you can just n we we have said we have actually similar products that we can take from and potentially cut costs there . 2266.81 2277.94 IS1002b B MIE029 1 2258.771 2259.552 2258.9 2259.43 Exactly . 2259.43 IS1002b B MIE029 1 2264.368 2264.64 2264.39 2264.6 Yeah . 2264.6 IS1002b B MIE029 1 2270.128 2270.666 2270.25 2270.49 True . 2270.49 IS1002b B MIE029 1 2271.792 2271.984 2271.81 2271.95 Right . 2271.95 IS1002b B MIE029 1 2273.023 2275.684 2273.06 2275.6 Yeah . The locator'll definitely be more expensive . 2273.62 2275.6 IS1002b B MIE029 1 2277.616 2278.016 2277.69 2277.96 Mm-hmm . 2277.96 IS1002b A MIE080 0 2278.181 2290.288 2278.35 2290.288 Um need to look into whether we can do that but uh I think we we have some m mobile phone-based products uh checking quickly our Internet . We really need to finish up here . But uh 2287.34 2289.43 IS1002b D MIE083 3 2289.024 2293.557 2289.024 2293.557 uh we can make it in the shape of a coffee pot . 2293.24 IS1002b A MIE080 0 2293.2 2299.92 2293.27 2299.89 Yeah we have the the power-adaptor products . We sell power-adaptor products . So for example there's nothing stopping us 2295.75 2297.1 IS1002b D MIE083 3 2298.608 2308.272 2298.63 2308.24 It's uh just it's that I think it's telling us to stop our meeting . So we have the c we probably have have on-line in our in our system , we have the ability to create this , we're talking about . 2302.43 2305.87 2307.57 2308.24 IS1002b A MIE080 0 2300.944 2302.352 2300.96 2302.31 using that technology . Yeah . 2301.68 2302.31 IS1002b A MIE080 0 2308.704 2315.2 2309.32 2315.16 Yeah I think so , without it being too In fact we can cut costs through using the manufacturing that's already gonna be in place here . 2310.28 2315.16 IS1002b D MIE083 3 2309.616 2310.528 2309.64 2310.42 A charging system . 2310.42 IS1002b B MIE029 1 2314.896 2315.104 2314.92 2315.07 Right . 2315.07 IS1002b D MIE083 3 2315.12 2320.224 2315.15 2320.19 If if we can create this we have probably five or six or seven really strong marketing characteristics . 2320.19 IS1002b B MIE029 1 2319.504 2326.56 2319.52 2326.53 Right . I think one of the things that we can put right on the box is , never buy another battery . You know , something like that . 2320.17 2323.01 2325.06 2325.82 2326.53 IS1002b A MIE080 0 2320.518 2320.956 2320.56 2320.81 Okay . 2320.81 IS1002b A MIE080 0 2324.656 2324.896 2324.68 2324.86 Yep . 2324.86 IS1002b A MIE080 0 2326.96 2328.944 2326.98 2328.84 'Kay . Thanks guys . 2327.4 2328.84 IS1002b C MIO026 2 2328.208 2328.544 2328.23 2328.49 Yep . 2328.49 IS1002b D MIE083 3 2330.512 2332.304 2330.62 2332.304 No that's not what I want , I want 2331.47 IS1002b D MIE083 3 2336.864 2338.976 2336.89 2338.72 Oh look it here . 2338.72 IS1002c A MIE080 0 6.711 8.212 6.83 7.97 Afternoon guys . 7.97 IS1002c A MIE080 0 11.25 13.844 11.6 13.49 It's gonna be . 13.49 IS1002c D MIE083 3 13.907 14.823 14.15 14.75 Rock and roll . 14.75 IS1002c A MIE080 0 15.202 18.64 15.36 18.64 Oh . 18.55 IS1002c A MIE080 0 22.153 22.831 22.27 22.75 'Kay . 22.75 IS1002c D MIE083 3 23.107 25.975 23.13 25.71 So do we need to re-train Mike on how to put his mic on ? 25.71 IS1002c C MIO026 2 26.972 27.631 27.06 27.57 Think s - IS1002c A MIE080 0 26.87 27.701 27.14 27.6 We may do . 27.6 IS1002c D MIE083 3 27.121 30.007 27.25 29.8 Okay , can he get it all by himself this time ? 27.67 29.8 IS1002c A MIE080 0 29.104 31.756 29.76 31.17 I dunno , I'm feeling like a big boy . 30.18 31.17 IS1002c C MIO026 2 29.73 31.375 29.89 31.06 Mm . Pro 30.75 IS1002c C MIO026 2 32.65 34.774 32.73 34.38 Probably not , 'cause he's 33.85 IS1002c C MIO026 2 38.097 43.409 38.22 43.26 'S been listening to too much . He's getting retarded . Yay . 39.35 42.87 43.26 IS1002c D MIE083 3 38.341 39.16 38.37 39.16 So - IS1002c D MIE083 3 40.272 42.628 40.36 42.58 I believe I can fly . 42.58 IS1002c B MIE029 1 42.094 45.693 42.8 45.44 Alright well we got some exciting stuff for you guys . 45.44 IS1002c C MIO026 2 45.545 46.324 45.76 46.18 Or not . 46.18 IS1002c B MIE029 1 47.121 48.884 47.16 48.884 Or not . 48.37 IS1002c C MIO026 2 47.772 48.335 47.94 48.3 Yeah . 48.3 IS1002c D MIE083 3 48.632 50.817 48.65 50.46 Just what I needed was something exciting . 50.46 IS1002c D MIE083 3 52.36 53.937 52.42 53.53 Remember , I'm an old man . 52.77 53.53 IS1002c A MIE080 0 55.201 70.32 55.36 70.18 'Kay , ready to go ? 'Kay so we've got our conceptual design meeting . Hopefully we've all got exciting ideas now . Uh k exciting ideas . 'Kay so here's our agenda our agenda . Um 55.68 58.46 61.34 64.4 66.29 69.47 IS1002c B MIE029 1 57.168 58.045 57.37 57.88 All ready . 57.88 IS1002c C MIO026 2 58.926 60.281 59.06 60.21 Apparently I'm old as well . 60.21 IS1002c D MIE083 3 61.38 63.14 61.8 63.06 Thirty's really young , eh ? 62.76 63.06 IS1002c B MIE029 1 63.232 64.16 63.232 64.12 We do . 64.12 IS1002c A MIE080 0 71.52 81.872 71.54 81.75 I'm gonna open . I'm gonna talk for a bit about what we're gonna do . I'm gonna take some notes . We're gonna all do a presentation , and then hopefully we're gonna make some decisions now . 72.25 75.95 77.4 79.17 81.75 IS1002c A MIE080 0 82.636 87.008 82.636 86.97 Yep . Well when I say hopefully , we have to . So 84.62 85.49 86.51 IS1002c B MIE029 1 84.304 84.64 84.32 84.61 Alright . 84.61 IS1002c A MIE080 0 88.208 90.736 88.25 90.7 I'm gonna let you guys talk before we make decisions . 90.7 IS1002c A MIE080 0 92.624 94.976 92.65 94.91 And does anyone really want to go first ? 94.91 IS1002c B MIE029 1 95.471 96.576 95.53 96.54 I guess I'll go first . 96.54 IS1002c A MIE080 0 96.752 97.648 96.77 97.56 You p two ? 97.56 IS1002c B MIE029 1 97.76 98.016 97.78 97.93 Yeah . 97.93 IS1002c A MIE080 0 98.864 99.312 98.88 99.312 What's - IS1002c B MIE029 1 99.504 101.507 99.52 101.45 Component , I think . Yeah . 100.35 101.24 101.45 IS1002c A MIE080 0 101.056 102.274 101.19 101.93 Components design . 101.93 IS1002c B MIE029 1 103.12 104.832 103.14 104.74 Yep that's it . 104.74 IS1002c C MIO026 2 104.96 105.936 104.98 105.85 Presented by name . 105.85 IS1002c B MIE029 1 107.696 109.623 107.72 108.72 My name is . 108.72 IS1002c D MIE083 3 108.912 110.646 108.93 110.57 Jose he man is . 110.57 IS1002c A MIE080 0 108.966 110.512 108.966 110.44 Your name is name ? 110.44 IS1002c B MIE029 1 110.557 111.792 110.71 111.51 My name is name . 111.51 IS1002c A MIE080 0 111.422 112.454 111.44 112.26 Huh hi name . 112.26 IS1002c C MIO026 2 111.785 120.192 111.87 120.192 My name is Inigo Montoya . You killed my father . Prepare to die . 114.1 116.52 119.81 IS1002c B MIE029 1 115.104 118.185 115.104 117.98 Sorry I did this in a bit of a rush . 117.98 IS1002c D MIE083 3 118.0 119.12 118.02 119.05 N name . 119.05 IS1002c B MIE029 1 118.362 135.831 118.52 135.831 So so here's a look inside your really old-looking remote control . Um you've got a printed a printed uh circuit board here , and you've got all these buttons which kinda press down little rubber nubbies into these little holes that activate 123.28 128.19 IS1002c A MIE080 0 117.727 119.6 118.63 119.6 Right . 119.37 IS1002c A MIE080 0 135.04 137.86 135.06 137.86 We've all broke a remote control ri um s yeah . 137.28 IS1002c D MIE083 3 136.558 137.427 136.558 137.427 I've - IS1002c B MIE029 1 136.399 145.856 136.57 145.856 Yeah we've all broken a remote control . So you've also got um you've got your chip here , your batteries here , and some sorta electronics . Um 139.03 141.75 142.9 145.39 IS1002c D MIE083 3 145.968 148.224 145.99 148.224 I just love you tech guys , huh . They just 147.33 147.65 IS1002c C MIO026 2 148.656 150.688 148.68 150.688 Yeah there's a thingy and a dingy and - IS1002c A MIE080 0 149.341 153.317 149.341 153.19 You press this and it does th - IS1002c D MIE083 3 149.645 154.072 149.645 153.6 Yeah y do jabber . 153.6 IS1002c B MIE029 1 150.016 167.804 150.04 167.35 Well so you've got here's here's a transistor , and this amplifies your signal , um you've got the L_E_D_ here on the end of the uh uh on the end of the printed circuit board . Um you've got a couple diodes here for I don't know who and whatnot . 154.85 156.82 161.97 167.35 IS1002c A MIE080 0 166.528 169.168 166.528 169.06 I dunno who and whatnot . 169.06 IS1002c B MIE029 1 167.804 185.04 168.01 185.01 So exactly . So um we've got a i in this in this uh drawing he uh in this example here , this is a eighteen pin um uh chip I dunno . Uh it's two double A_ batteries . This is pretty standard remote . 170.2 175.06 181.99 183.74 185.01 IS1002c C MIO026 2 169.526 169.872 169.55 169.61 Nah . 169.61 IS1002c D MIE083 3 173.729 174.169 173.76 174.02 P - IS1002c D MIE083 3 179.568 179.808 179.59 179.77 Yeah . 179.77 IS1002c B MIE029 1 186.688 209.09 186.72 209.09 So here are options for our power sources . You can use a basic battery , which we've already discussed , um th our tech department also said we have the option of doing some kind of hand dynamo where maybe you crank it or something like that . I don't know if that's really I don't know we got some qu crazy guys down there in that department so 190.21 191.87 193.43 201.47 IS1002c A MIE080 0 199.984 206.275 199.984 206.275 'Kay . 206.07 IS1002c C MIO026 2 200.642 206.054 200.642 205.65 I wanna change that . 205.65 IS1002c D MIE083 3 202.107 217.994 202.107 217.59 I I gotta I gotta flashlight , and uh yeah but it's interesting 'cause you shake it like this . Like this . 210.72 215.95 217.59 IS1002c A MIE080 0 207.793 208.811 207.93 208.72 Okay . 208.72 IS1002c B MIE029 1 211.584 212.128 211.6 212.09 You shake it . 212.09 IS1002c B MIE029 1 215.056 238.656 215.056 238.62 Yeah . So that's the next bullet is the um the kinetic provision of energy , so it's like that flashlight where you have to shake it . Uh we've got solar cells , which I don't think is a very good idea because um you could not use your remote at night which doesn't make a lot of sense . And finally we've got our cradle o our power cradle idea . 217.49 222.34 226.16 227.96 235.64 238.62 IS1002c D MIE083 3 218.575 220.77 218.9 220.4 And that's on the camera . 220.4 IS1002c D MIE083 3 224.544 225.525 224.92 225.07 Yeah . 225.07 IS1002c A MIE080 0 225.76 225.968 225.78 225.93 'Kay . 225.93 IS1002c A MIE080 0 235.312 235.696 235.33 235.65 Mm 'kay . 235.65 IS1002c A MIE080 0 239.008 241.28 239.03 241.24 Okay so we basically have battery versus cradle here ? 241.24 IS1002c B MIE029 1 240.875 243.46 240.99 243.38 M battery versus cradle I think is yeah . 243.38 IS1002c A MIE080 0 242.592 242.944 242.61 242.91 Okay . 242.91 IS1002c C MIO026 2 243.104 244.16 243.12 244.06 I like the kinetic . 244.06 IS1002c A MIE080 0 245.568 247.351 245.59 247.351 So we have battery versus cradle - IS1002c D MIE083 3 245.584 249.728 245.6 249.69 I g I I figured you would . Yes . Yeah . 247.06 249.35 249.69 IS1002c B MIE029 1 246.399 251.296 246.44 250.81 It could be fun . 250.81 IS1002c A MIE080 0 249.504 254.95 249.53 254.95 It's actually a novel thing because you could sell it a as a novelty , just to be actually serious for a minute here , you could 252.63 254.51 IS1002c B MIE029 1 253.808 264.08 253.83 264.05 Yeah . Well it is it is more uh I mean it is more eco-friendly than the than the cradle 'cause you're still using power off the grid with the cradle . So um 254.62 262.48 IS1002c A MIE080 0 260.025 260.625 260.25 260.54 Mm . 260.54 IS1002c A MIE080 0 262.407 262.944 262.73 262.89 Hmm . 262.89 IS1002c B MIE029 1 265.568 289.872 265.59 289.872 our case design . We have uh choices in materials and choices in the general shapes that we can do . Our material choices are a plastic latex um ty or plastic , a rubber latex type thing , uh wood , or titanium . If we go with titanium we're gonna be uh limited in the amount of shapes we can do because it's tough to shape the titanium , and uh 266.8 272.01 277.57 279.38 280.28 281.6 288.97 IS1002c B MIE029 1 291.488 292.336 291.51 292.3 Yeah pers - IS1002c A MIE080 0 291.703 294.72 292.03 294.65 Wood wood would ge would give us a little bit of a marketing niche , wouldn't it . 294.32 294.65 IS1002c B MIE029 1 295.648 306.064 295.67 306.03 I think wood i I I can't see anybody wanting to use a wooden remote , it's just anti-technology really , you know . 301.57 305.66 306.03 IS1002c D MIE083 3 297.44 300.324 297.44 300.324 It it it - IS1002c A MIE080 0 298.24 298.611 298.26 298.51 Nah . 298.51 IS1002c D MIE083 3 301.52 302.038 301.58 301.92 Uh . 301.92 IS1002c A MIE080 0 302.464 302.784 302.48 302.75 Okay . 302.75 IS1002c A MIE080 0 307.184 307.584 307.21 307.53 Hmm . 307.53 IS1002c D MIE083 3 307.936 317.006 307.98 316.94 Uh uh to me in a marketing sense it's not it's not relative . We can we can o we can uh accentuate whatever whatever product you put in there we can find a way to accentuate it . 311.02 316.94 IS1002c B MIE029 1 315.626 343.67 315.85 343.58 Right . And what we may be able to do , and I think this might be the best option is to combine some a couple of these . Um my recommendation personally would be to do some kind of a plastic inner shell with a like a rubber outer shell , to make it um to mak uh like a thick plastic inner shell and a t um kind of a to have that rubber outer shell to make it more durable , and also maybe i I think it feels a little better than the plastic . 316.61 317.77 322.39 331.04 340.31 343.58 IS1002c A MIE080 0 316.884 317.625 316.91 317.09 Okay . 317.09 IS1002c A MIE080 0 343.776 346.876 343.8 346.876 'Kay . Do you get a good grip on the rubber ? Yeah okay . 343.94 345.53 346.3 IS1002c B MIE029 1 345.184 346.771 345.2 346.771 Yeah um - IS1002c D MIE083 3 346.068 352.288 346.22 352.25 And if you make it from that super rubber , when you drop it on the floor it can bounce right back up in your hand . You don't even need to lean down to get it . 347.89 350.6 352.25 IS1002c B MIE029 1 350.297 350.72 350.45 350.69 Yeah . 350.69 IS1002c B MIE029 1 352.368 369.769 352.39 369.769 The advantages of working with plastic and rubber is w we we'll have a lot more um options just in terms of shape because you can extrude plastic in basically any shape you want . So um and then we can cover you know the breakable bits with rubber yeah so um 361.57 IS1002c A MIE080 0 369.296 369.888 369.35 369.68 Okay . 369.68 IS1002c B MIE029 1 369.769 388.884 369.91 388.73 But basically these are curved and double-curved I I believe that the tech department , in their um in their message to me , that they were referring to the number of th curves in the bottom . I have no idea exactly what they're talking about , but that's what they told me , uncurved , flat , curved , or double-curved . 374.52 378.2 382.55 385.53 386.86 387.32 387.73 388.05 388.73 IS1002c A MIE080 0 385.744 386.032 385.78 386.0 Okay . 386.0 IS1002c B MIE029 1 388.884 401.452 389.0 401.38 I would guess this like this pen would be kinda like a double-curved , where it's curved on m m multiple axes , right ? I think curved means just curved in one axis and double-curved is curved in two axes 392.05 395.89 396.35 IS1002c A MIE080 0 401.632 402.048 401.65 401.97 Okay . 401.97 IS1002c B MIE029 1 402.592 404.091 402.61 403.98 or surfaces . I have no idea . 403.35 403.98 IS1002c A MIE080 0 403.336 409.642 403.37 409.43 I think it might mean something like that sorta shape because a double curve rather than a yeah that's what . 409.43 IS1002c D MIE083 3 407.328 412.544 407.35 411.65 Mm-hmm yeah that's yeah that's what I see . Yeah that's what I see also . 410.19 411.65 IS1002c B MIE029 1 408.08 425.36 408.1 425.33 Oh okay oh like a wave , okay . Alright that makes sense okay . Um okay , with the interface we have the following options , we can u we can use push buttons , we can use a scroll wheel with an integrated push button , and L_C_D_ display , or multiple scrolling wheels . 409.72 410.69 413.1 414.97 417.21 419.73 422.51 423.99 425.33 IS1002c D MIE083 3 422.32 422.88 422.56 422.77 Ooh . 422.77 IS1002c B MIE029 1 427.104 436.752 427.12 436.72 Um so these are all options that the user interface guy can uh has at his disposal to put together a user interface . 436.72 IS1002c A MIE080 0 436.8 437.136 436.83 437.1 Okay . 437.1 IS1002c B MIE029 1 437.792 455.199 437.81 455.199 For electronics , we have these very technical um descriptions here . A simple chip , which is the least expensive , but I have no numbers to give you , a regular chip , which is like the medium porridge the medium expense uh 439.06 443.43 444.31 445.46 447.78 448.57 IS1002c A MIE080 0 453.501 458.304 453.71 458.25 D do we have actually any concept of what the difference is between a simple chip and an advanced chip ? 458.25 IS1002c B MIE029 1 458.416 464.368 458.44 464.33 Yes the difference is , with a simple chip a simple chip will operate oh why doesn't this scroll up ? 459.88 464.33 IS1002c B MIE029 1 465.584 485.296 465.6 485.26 Previous previous , okay . A simple chip is required to operate push buttons . Um an advanced chip is required to to operate um the L_C_D_ display , and it didn't say specifically , but I I have a hunch that a regular chip is gonna be the scroll wheel and the multiple scroll wheels . 467.04 467.6 470.93 477.02 478.88 485.26 IS1002c A MIE080 0 470.96 471.609 471.0 471.34 Okay . 471.34 IS1002c A MIE080 0 485.904 486.336 485.96 486.3 Okay . 486.3 IS1002c B MIE029 1 486.416 488.352 486.44 488.32 So but yeah . 488.32 IS1002c A MIE080 0 488.64 490.112 488.66 489.69 Yeah that makes sense . 489.69 IS1002c B MIE029 1 490.768 492.288 491.14 492.25 That's the end of my presentation . 492.25 IS1002c A MIE080 0 491.18 494.064 491.36 494.064 So presentation from - IS1002c A MIE080 0 495.888 497.456 495.91 497.42 I guess design would go best . 497.42 IS1002c A MIE080 0 498.736 499.378 498.76 499.28 Next . 499.28 IS1002c A MIE080 0 507.936 511.216 507.96 510.82 Technical functions or interface concept ? 510.82 IS1002c B MIE029 1 510.096 510.912 510.63 510.912 I think - IS1002c C MIO026 2 511.68 513.072 511.7 513.04 Oh interface concept . 513.04 IS1002c C MIO026 2 516.592 521.6 516.592 521.6 Very long presentation . 520.9 IS1002c A MIE080 0 516.928 517.456 516.95 517.42 Yeah that's it . 517.42 IS1002c A MIE080 0 521.552 522.848 521.57 522.72 Yes , but it has your name on it . 521.8 522.72 IS1002c C MIO026 2 523.36 527.584 523.36 527.55 Well that doesn't bo bode well for it for it tats as well . 527.55 IS1002c C MIO026 2 528.72 541.568 528.74 541.51 Um so , somehow that thing's too big , but um okay um our uh manufacturing division wanted the speech recognition . They say they could put it to work but um we don't think so . 530.46 531.81 537.85 541.51 IS1002c B MIE029 1 541.52 541.856 541.54 541.8 No . 541.8 IS1002c C MIO026 2 541.939 547.36 542.19 547.36 No . It it it you'll be you know be affected by the by the other speech and 542.65 IS1002c B MIE029 1 545.903 551.632 545.97 551.59 If the T_V_ is working , yeah . That's just I mean it'll if somebody says up in the middle of a 547.42 547.97 IS1002c B MIE029 1 552.704 555.616 552.73 555.58 television show , it's gonna change the channel . 554.54 555.58 IS1002c C MIO026 2 555.888 560.969 555.91 560.86 Yeah and and fighting for the remote would not be fun anymore , and I think that's one of the things we wanna keep . 558.9 560.86 IS1002c B MIE029 1 556.88 557.594 556.94 557.594 So - IS1002c A MIE080 0 559.921 565.299 560.16 565.2 But what if you actually had to press a button to make it recognize ? So if you pressed it and went , up ? 564.13 565.06 565.2 IS1002c C MIO026 2 565.071 570.56 565.071 570.53 That kinda would r d yeah . That would kind of lose it . 568.72 570.53 IS1002c B MIE029 1 566.384 568.353 566.4 567.95 Well then why don't you just press the up button ? 567.95 IS1002c A MIE080 0 568.128 568.704 568.16 568.67 Man yeah . 568.67 IS1002c A MIE080 0 569.888 572.224 570.02 572.224 But if it's just one thing with a button that you can just go - IS1002c D MIE083 3 572.688 573.072 572.72 573.02 That's right . 573.02 IS1002c B MIE029 1 573.072 587.875 573.09 587.76 Even still there's gonna be interf th there's there still will be interference from the T_V_ . It might not be it might not be completely confusing , but I think you'll still y it's still I don't think it's practical at all . I think it's a bad idea frankly . 577.6 580.5 586.33 587.76 IS1002c A MIE080 0 573.096 573.686 573.19 573.55 Up . 573.55 IS1002c A MIE080 0 577.493 578.048 577.65 578.01 Yeah , okay . 577.77 578.01 IS1002c C MIO026 2 588.782 611.982 588.87 611.95 Yeah so um taking that away , our uh the the the rubber but rubber buttons are the more reliable it's the the ones that would al would allow us to to market our product as being you know less prone to damage and more resistant to things like spillage of liquids over it or you know mistreat misuses 591.55 IS1002c A MIE080 0 588.976 589.296 589.0 589.26 Okay . 589.26 IS1002c A MIE080 0 592.192 592.928 592.21 592.89 You guys know your stuff . 592.89 IS1002c C MIO026 2 613.088 617.008 613.11 616.94 as it happens to remote controls . Um as for the 614.83 IS1002c C MIO026 2 618.016 640.349 618.04 640.349 point that we making about losing it . Well , we wanna small r remote control one side because uh we want it to be cool and uh designed , but um apparently um market shows that bigger s bigger um remotes get less lost , about 619.87 621.09 629.97 639.77 IS1002c B MIE029 1 639.472 640.352 639.54 640.32 That I would believe . 640.32 IS1002c D MIE083 3 640.512 640.816 640.53 640.78 Mm-hmm . 640.78 IS1002c A MIE080 0 641.072 641.472 641.09 641.3 Mm . 641.3 IS1002c C MIO026 2 641.408 647.274 641.43 647.2 But um yeah I think we we need to compromise between those two and somehow we'll do that . Somehow . 646.62 647.2 IS1002c C MIO026 2 647.904 676.32 647.92 676.27 Um so the the what I would propose is something more or less in the uh direction of what is to yo the right of that slide uh but without with a l a less complicated um design , so the numbers , the volume control , and channel control , and teletext access . Uh the volume and channel control can just become those the the four button array as in if it was a round dial . 663.02 664.67 665.65 666.39 668.28 676.27 IS1002c B MIE029 1 677.168 677.518 677.2 677.41 Mm-hmm . 677.41 IS1002c C MIO026 2 677.312 685.6 677.33 685.57 And um if you just think about it as the one to the right but with the numbers and the four buttons plus maybe a centre one with teletext . 685.57 IS1002c A MIE080 0 685.616 688.0 685.64 687.97 So we're suggesting doing a sorta scroll wheel thing for the volume ? 687.97 IS1002c C MIO026 2 688.208 697.286 688.23 697.12 Ye no it's not i i it's just four buttons that are on a cross , so that you ba basically can control all of the important tasks from that alone . 692.72 697.12 IS1002c B MIE029 1 689.248 690.396 689.27 690.28 That's not a scroll wheel . 690.28 IS1002c A MIE080 0 690.304 690.592 690.34 690.54 Nah . 690.54 IS1002c A MIE080 0 692.336 693.464 692.36 693.32 Oh okay okay . I see . 693.04 693.32 IS1002c B MIE029 1 694.512 695.19 694.94 695.16 Right . 695.16 IS1002c B MIE029 1 696.432 701.328 696.45 701.29 Instead of play , stop , rewind , and fast forward there , that's up , down , louder , and quieter . 697.08 697.47 697.79 698.71 699.44 700.26 700.67 701.29 IS1002c A MIE080 0 696.831 697.296 696.86 697.26 Uh , okay . 696.99 697.26 IS1002c A MIE080 0 701.728 702.032 701.75 702.0 Okay . 702.0 IS1002c C MIO026 2 701.76 712.228 701.78 712.19 Yeah um yeah so I think we w we go for something mid-sized , so something looks good and uh is not too prone to get lost . 708.6 712.19 IS1002c C MIO026 2 714.352 714.768 714.37 714.73 That be it . 714.73 IS1002c A MIE080 0 715.296 715.568 715.41 715.53 'Kay . 715.53 IS1002c A MIE080 0 716.808 718.032 717.05 718.032 So on to - IS1002c A MIE080 0 725.288 727.84 725.47 727.81 Y functional requirements or trend watching ? 727.81 IS1002c D MIE083 3 728.992 732.64 729.03 732.61 I dunno . Trend watching I guess . Trend watching I believe . 730.18 731.64 732.61 IS1002c B MIE029 1 729.744 731.568 729.76 731.53 Trend watching has a later date there . 731.53 IS1002c A MIE080 0 733.216 735.025 733.216 734.83 forty six nineteen fifty seven . Yep . 734.73 734.83 IS1002c D MIE083 3 734.572 737.296 734.72 737.26 See what it looks like . It's been so long . 736.75 737.26 IS1002c C MIO026 2 738.288 741.12 738.288 741.12 . 741.12 IS1002c D MIE083 3 741.984 757.68 742.01 757.65 Well I don't know what to say . When I s when I see the when I see the product I I I I don't wanna buy it . I see so many of 'em out there . There's nothing about that product that makes me wanna choose that product over other products that are out there . Yeah yeah . 743.59 749.04 750.93 757.24 757.65 IS1002c B MIE029 1 755.932 767.68 756.05 767.65 Are you talking about the picture ? That's not our that's not our b design , that's just a that's just something he a a graphic he used to show you the layout of what the layout of the buttons might be like . 757.68 759.43 767.65 IS1002c D MIE083 3 759.612 760.032 759.68 759.98 Okay . 759.98 IS1002c D MIE083 3 764.656 765.072 764.68 765.03 Okay . 765.03 IS1002c D MIE083 3 767.904 781.792 767.92 781.76 Okay 'cause 'cause right now I don't have too much to say about how to market this product because we don't have a product to market yet . And uh from from talking to Mike is that we have we have uh we can market a more expensive product now . 774.69 781.76 IS1002c A MIE080 0 774.668 775.342 774.93 775.2 Mm . 775.2 IS1002c D MIE083 3 783.232 785.76 783.26 785.73 That's what I understand so , hello . 785.33 785.73 IS1002c A MIE080 0 784.144 788.048 784.16 788.01 Upper management said yes . Uh e excuse that , that's a bit of spam . 786.23 787.3 788.01 IS1002c D MIE083 3 788.56 813.36 788.58 813.28 And and so yeah I'm a I'm a little bit stuck right now in that what uh w what is it that I'm gonna market ? Uh without special or increased marketable features I don't believe the product has a consumer demand . Uh I like the idea of of the scroll makin there are so many people making these products at this price right now . What are we gonna do to make this one special and unique ? 796.12 802.51 810.94 813.28 IS1002c B MIE029 1 813.6 815.696 813.62 815.66 What's special and unique about a scroll ? 815.66 IS1002c D MIE083 3 816.32 822.16 816.34 822.16 Uh well I don't yeah it's I I just see it as different . I don't say it's specially mm 820.23 IS1002c A MIE080 0 817.465 818.144 817.58 818.1 It's cool . 818.1 IS1002c D MIE083 3 823.312 824.4 823.33 824.37 I don't say it's special . 824.37 IS1002c D MIE083 3 825.616 839.296 825.64 839.26 Uh I say that it's different I what I'm looking for as marketing is m give me something different . I give me a lower price , give me a higher price , give me some new technology , don't give me the same thing that everybody else is putting out there on the shelf it's f at the same price . 830.84 832.1 833.1 835.09 839.26 IS1002c D MIE083 3 840.512 844.032 840.54 844.0 I need something to market about this thing . We're we're a new firm . 842.72 844.0 IS1002c A MIE080 0 843.44 849.44 843.46 849.44 I'd I'd say though that we if we did make the decision to go with the cradle though , the then we have that as well , but wi with a similar 847.23 848.5 IS1002c D MIE083 3 846.864 857.552 847.16 857.52 What i if when when we have yeah when we when we have something like the cradle or or something give that's as as a marketing standard I need something to market , to make this product unique . 856.25 857.52 IS1002c B MIE029 1 856.384 879.184 856.4 879.15 Well right I think the two big th points that we have so far are the having the cradle and also having uh the um the actual design of the uh case itself having like this like rubber shell maybe with a plastic interior , having it look really nice um and also be really durable . 874.43 879.15 IS1002c D MIE083 3 873.293 873.731 873.41 873.61 Yep . 873.61 IS1002c D MIE083 3 879.248 893.936 879.28 893.9 Mm 'kay . Just remember when I made up this report I didn't have the information that we're discussing here . And and so so uh yeah when we have a cradle , when we have some kind of design , so what I'm saying is , from my perspective , I don't have a product to market right now . 879.71 884.18 887.71 889.92 891.23 892.28 893.9 IS1002c B MIE029 1 883.36 885.079 883.43 884.74 Right yeah . Yeah . 884.6 884.74 IS1002c A MIE080 0 883.357 884.741 883.51 884.63 Mm . Course . 884.2 884.63 IS1002c D MIE083 3 894.976 909.723 895.0 909.52 Um uh my personal preference is that we make some adjustment in the cost , either lower or develop an integrated new technol technology . That's that is the next step , there's technology and then there is technology , which we're moving into the next phase . 899.7 903.72 905.27 907.5 909.52 IS1002c A MIE080 0 907.456 908.581 907.48 908.01 Yeah 'cause that's . 908.01 IS1002c D MIE083 3 909.723 920.512 910.14 920.48 And so uh we're gonna have some new technology to enhance the marketability . Yeah uh again I'm not sold on the product because we don't have a product in my opinion yet . 914.81 920.48 IS1002c A MIE080 0 920.048 920.288 920.07 920.25 Mm . 920.25 IS1002c D MIE083 3 922.416 931.184 922.44 931.14 So I need a product . I need a product to market . And I just whatever product you guys put together , we'll find a way to market it . Tha that I'm not concerned with . 924.57 926.56 928.66 930.0 931.14 IS1002c A MIE080 0 922.96 923.392 922.99 923.36 Mm 'kay . 923.36 IS1002c B MIE029 1 923.456 924.801 923.48 924.64 Well let's get a product then . 924.64 IS1002c A MIE080 0 933.366 934.288 933.4 934.288 So now - IS1002c D MIE083 3 934.848 939.872 934.87 939.79 If you if you give me if you give me a cut-out of what everybody else has then I need to I need to find a lower cost . 939.79 IS1002c A MIE080 0 943.712 947.312 943.76 947.22 So our big questions here really are - IS1002c A MIE080 0 948.56 954.176 948.58 954.14 cradle or not cradle ? Do we go basic or do we go for features ? 951.28 954.14 IS1002c A MIE080 0 955.28 961.61 955.31 961.39 Uh d does anyone really wanna do anything with the scroll wheel or should we ditch that off-hand first ? 961.39 IS1002c B MIE029 1 960.304 962.624 960.32 962.58 Well my question is what would the scroll wheel do ? 962.58 IS1002c B MIE029 1 964.16 966.112 964.26 966.112 Function-wise , what does that do that 965.02 IS1002c A MIE080 0 965.952 969.504 966.02 969.47 Oh but that was in your presentation so wh what would you imagine it doing ? 969.47 IS1002c D MIE083 3 969.056 972.043 969.08 971.95 Yeah wh wh what's the wh - IS1002c B MIE029 1 970.976 975.76 970.976 975.72 Yeah . Well it's it's just another way to do the exact same thing that the buttons do . 972.16 975.72 IS1002c A MIE080 0 976.684 977.264 976.85 977.23 Mm 'kay . 977.23 IS1002c D MIE083 3 977.21 1001.776 977.4 1001.74 Okay now what I see with the scroll wheel is everybody has buttons . So from a marketing standpoint I have I have another door to walk through when we have something that's unique . If it creates something more complex or more expensive , then I don't know if that makes it uh a marketing necessity . But again , from a marketing perspective I want as much new and different about this thing as possible because we're we're co it's a very competitive market . 980.76 986.65 989.94 993.86 994.75 1001.74 IS1002c C MIO026 2 977.393 978.375 977.71 978.375 But would we - IS1002c A MIE080 0 986.448 986.64 986.47 986.61 Yeah . 986.61 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1002.4 1007.44 1002.57 1007.4 What I understand about scroll wheels is they're they're quite expensive to to make . So I d 1007.06 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1005.584 1005.824 1005.6 1005.78 Yeah . 1005.78 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1006.976 1010.816 1007.0 1010.816 Th they are gonna be more expensive , but on the other hand , I mean , it 1008.56 1009.82 1010.61 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1013.152 1032.336 1013.17 1032.3 I mean it is an alternative if if you think that's gonna sell some some uh you know if if we're gonna make up the extra cost by extra sales I think maybe it's worth it to do it , but I mean I would just use if I was gonna do this I would just use the scroll wheel for s channels up and channels down . 1025.98 1032.3 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1034.0 1036.832 1034.02 1036.832 I don't think volume or do you think volume would be - IS1002c C MIO026 2 1038.192 1040.891 1038.21 1040.77 I dunno . I'll bet first in volume maybe . I dunno . 1038.55 1040.08 1040.77 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1040.224 1042.848 1040.24 1042.848 No we can we can do multiple scroll wheels but - IS1002c A MIE080 0 1045.008 1057.376 1045.03 1057.31 Well I d I like the idea of basically focusing the my personal preference is focusing the p the product on the idea of the uh the case the the uh - IS1002c A MIE080 0 1058.624 1068.144 1058.64 1068.09 dock to put it in to to charge it . We can target like environmentally friendly ideas , that sorta things . It s i m makes it easy to market , it's easy to differentiate the product , yeah so . 1061.03 1064.07 1064.66 1066.43 1067.79 1068.09 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1063.974 1064.445 1064.11 1064.41 Mm-hmm . 1064.41 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1065.68 1069.552 1065.71 1068.95 Yeah yeah . I think it's that's right . I think so . 1066.56 1068.37 1068.95 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1069.648 1083.68 1069.67 1083.65 And if we we keep the rest in a format that is durable because th th the whole product's gonna need to be more durable th thus because you're not going to be ditching it as often . It's gonna need to be more expensive because of the cradle . 1081.2 1083.65 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1078.128 1078.448 1078.15 1078.39 Mm-hmm . 1078.39 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1084.064 1084.304 1084.11 1084.26 Mm . 1084.26 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1084.864 1087.856 1084.88 1087.856 So if we can market it in terms of that and yeah well - IS1002c D MIE083 3 1086.743 1099.712 1086.91 1099.67 Yep . I think we got some exclusivity in that , you know , we got something that nobody else has right now , and and that means we can we can make some adjustments in the retail or wholesale price if we need to and it also can create it's own demand from it's uniqueness . 1087.65 1089.73 1089.96 1092.12 1099.67 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1090.804 1091.356 1090.95 1091.07 Yeah . 1091.07 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1100.464 1112.368 1100.48 1112.368 So our big decision then is like how do we do um like we have to decide on the details and we have to decide on well n not exactly the details , but d do we have uh 1110.1 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1114.0 1118.64 1114.14 1118.61 What type of casing ? I personally like what you were saying about the plastic with the rubber . 1115.47 1118.61 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1118.56 1131.056 1118.58 1130.99 Mm-hmm . I'm thinking yeah something like kinda almost like these pens , you know , where there's you have plastic bits and then it's not really rubber but just kinda like a fused the plastic with rubber on the outside . 1119.15 1122.57 1123.04 1130.99 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1131.12 1135.141 1131.14 1135.141 Okay . Just a very thin sorta sheet for a a grip , sorta thing or for 1131.69 1134.13 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1133.585 1141.99 1133.585 1141.99 Well no ma yeah maybe a bit more then th is on here but ju just as a kind of an inspiration , these pens I think are are kind of 1140.47 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1142.256 1142.704 1142.28 1142.67 Okay . 1142.67 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1144.384 1167.04 1144.4 1166.93 So then if we d d do we want to do anything more basic with the uh more advanced with the user interface in terms of do we want to go for um buttons , or do we want if we're ditching the scroll wheels do we want to go L_C_D_ ? Do we want to give do we want to have anything else on it ? 1158.79 1163.56 1166.93 IS1002c C MIO026 2 1168.544 1169.488 1168.58 1169.41 It's only a T_V_ . 1169.41 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1170.4 1192.4 1170.45 1192.35 Or from from my perspective I think L_C_D_ is a mistake because this is a universal remote and all you're doing I mean it's you're not gonna get any information back from the television , so the only information you can display on this remote is what channel you just sent it at last and there's just not a lot of information , you know , there . It receives no information . 1181.4 1189.73 1189.99 1190.78 1192.35 IS1002c C MIO026 2 1190.483 1191.035 1190.73 1190.96 Hmm . 1190.96 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1190.729 1191.549 1190.95 1191.24 Okay . 1191.24 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1194.656 1202.576 1194.68 1202.54 So I I don't see any reason for having an L_C_D_ 'cause it's an increased cost . Unless you can think of something interesting to do with it . 1200.21 1202.54 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1200.152 1200.691 1200.29 1200.59 Yeah . 1200.59 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1203.264 1215.248 1203.28 1215.2 Yeah right now there's right now there's nothing coming out of the T_V_ to receive , so you know unless technology changes and information starts coming out of the a cable box or something there's no s I don't see the , 1206.73 1215.2 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1207.36 1207.775 1207.39 1207.59 Right . 1207.59 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1216.368 1221.328 1216.39 1221.28 I don't see the necessity of an L_C_D_ either . Don't see it . 1220.74 1221.28 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1223.024 1227.712 1223.04 1227.64 Okay so the question is now I guess we need t to - IS1002c A MIE080 0 1228.8 1233.024 1228.83 1232.89 decide on well y you guys basically have to now go and - IS1002c A MIE080 0 1234.176 1246.016 1234.35 1245.98 figure out the details of this thing . So , what we need to know in terms of marketing and uh project management are are there any other questions that we need to answer now before you guys can go and build this ? 1235.94 1236.41 1245.98 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1247.248 1250.512 1247.31 1250.48 What what overall things have we not decided on ? 1250.48 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1250.56 1258.064 1250.58 1258.03 Well we have to I think for me it's still not exactly clear exactly what the inter user interface is gonna be . There's the scroll wheel , in or out ? 1256.44 1257.56 1258.03 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1259.392 1261.405 1259.41 1261.31 What do you guys like in the user interface ? 1261.31 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1262.288 1266.21 1262.31 1266.01 I think maybe in terms of marketing , is that gonna make enough of a difference to justify the cost ? 1263.67 1266.01 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1264.16 1283.872 1264.16 1283.84 Again . Well I think it's it's the more uniqueness you can bring to the product , the easier it is , I believe , for me to market . Uh again the push-buttons I I see are are everywhere . And so we can go with the same thing , but we're gonna be com competing in a in a broader market than if we go with something unique . 1265.91 1269.89 1270.58 1270.98 1272.3 1277.71 1279.4 1283.84 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1284.896 1287.92 1284.92 1287.89 You know the other thing I thought about was you know , do we go to something like this ? 1286.63 1287.89 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1290.656 1292.72 1290.68 1292.65 Make a remote that doesn't look like a remote . 1292.65 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1295.264 1298.481 1295.28 1298.481 It's just another it's just a an idea , and I don't know 1297.3 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1298.304 1309.858 1298.32 1309.66 Well I dunno about like the flip-phone idea , because I think , as far as durability th it's not a big well maybe when it's closed . 1300.9 1303.35 1309.66 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1308.176 1319.6 1308.35 1319.6 I mean what I see one of the things one of the things you brought up in an earlier presentation is , when you got children , their their stuff gets inside the circuitry , they get dirty , they get messy with drinks and stuff . This 1313.11 1314.7 1316.77 1317.4 1319.05 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1310.749 1311.283 1310.84 1311.16 Mm-hmm . 1311.16 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1321.232 1321.584 1321.27 1321.53 Mm-hmm . 1321.53 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1323.776 1331.824 1323.8 1331.71 And what I keep throwing out there I just keep throwing out ideas to try to make this thing look or act or in some way identify itself as unique or different . 1331.71 IS1002c C MIO026 2 1332.64 1333.09 1332.67 1332.89 Mm-hmm . 1332.89 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1332.88 1336.304 1332.9 1336.25 But you guys are the ones that have to c ultimately create the product within cost . 1336.25 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1336.864 1355.594 1336.88 1355.43 Yeah and I guess th th the question th th that you're being asked right now is whether is the dock enough of a unique feature to be able to go out and sell that a a as a a very different product , or do we really need the scroll wheel as well ? Because the scroll wheel comes at quite a cost . 1350.87 1353.35 1355.43 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1353.184 1368.429 1353.35 1368.37 Oh okay phew . I think you gotta g get into cost effectiveness . I think if you can have the base station with a with a locator , I think those are two very strong features , if that's something that can be integrated without a bunch of extra cost . 1356.67 1359.25 1363.06 1365.39 1368.37 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1356.208 1356.544 1356.23 1356.45 Yeah . 1356.45 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1365.455 1365.917 1365.49 1365.917 Well - IS1002c B MIE029 1 1366.551 1367.045 1366.67 1367.045 The - IS1002c B MIE029 1 1367.392 1371.616 1367.392 1371.616 The locator's gonna require a radio transmitter , which will 1370.89 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1370.912 1371.2 1370.93 1371.17 Mm-hmm . 1371.17 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1372.72 1375.2 1372.74 1375.13 That's gonna n is that gonna need a better chip as well ? 1375.13 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1375.888 1380.704 1375.91 1380.67 Um we're probably gonna have to go with a like a medium chip , s I would imagine . 1379.69 1380.67 IS1002c C MIO026 2 1376.457 1377.837 1376.68 1377.7 No it's just different . 1377.7 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1383.6 1385.936 1383.62 1385.9 But we I we will need a receiver , an antenna . 1385.35 1385.9 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1387.36 1392.08 1387.38 1392.08 Integrated , yeah . So it's just uh I I think that's 1387.88 1388.68 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1388.144 1388.647 1388.32 1388.51 Yeah . 1388.51 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1392.0 1393.872 1392.02 1393.872 It should be a really simple signal though so - IS1002c D MIE083 3 1395.76 1402.944 1395.98 1402.91 I know personally that would be a very attractive feature , is to have a uh have a button I can push to find my remote control . 1398.84 1402.91 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1402.443 1406.08 1402.62 1406.02 And it's presumably gonna need a little speaker in it or something like that as well to beep . 1406.02 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1406.336 1407.264 1406.36 1407.23 That's true yeah . 1407.23 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1409.968 1414.761 1409.99 1414.761 But I guess a little tiny speaker is gonna be quite cheap , it's not gonna need q quality , is it ? It's 1412.45 1414.05 1414.39 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1413.652 1415.984 1413.72 1415.95 Oh yeah yeah . It'll be really cheap . 1414.91 1415.95 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1416.896 1423.808 1416.93 1423.808 Or maybe you can like have a a smell-o-rama , you know you push a button and it s puts out a stink . You can 1419.27 1422.26 IS1002c C MIO026 2 1424.176 1426.1 1424.59 1425.95 Maybe not . 1425.95 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1425.952 1428.407 1426.04 1428.18 Makes your living room more fresh as you watch . 1428.18 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1427.424 1428.916 1427.44 1428.916 Yeah yeah yeah yeah . 1428.4 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1429.951 1436.736 1430.1 1436.736 Okay we're doing well for time here . Um we've got about another ten minutes . I think that uh 1431.88 1434.43 IS1002c C MIO026 2 1430.683 1431.249 1430.83 1431.08 S - IS1002c B MIE029 1 1436.88 1437.824 1436.9 1437.79 So the scroll wheel , 1437.79 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1439.072 1439.632 1439.09 1439.53 in or out ? 1439.53 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1440.88 1450.848 1440.9 1450.81 Mm pr my personal preference is out . I don't think the cost is justified for a little bit more uniqueness when we already have that , and I don't s think it's obvious and natural how it would be used . 1443.76 1448.38 1450.81 IS1002c C MIO026 2 1448.844 1449.328 1448.9 1449.15 Yeah . 1449.15 IS1002c C MIO026 2 1450.768 1458.962 1451.14 1458.93 Yeah I think we have like and it's not very usable and it will bring down the robustness of the whole thing , 'cause it's it it breaks down easier . 1456.79 1458.93 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1456.768 1457.088 1456.8 1457.05 Mm . 1457.05 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1457.264 1457.568 1457.28 1457.53 Yeah . 1457.53 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1458.896 1478.944 1458.92 1478.77 For me I think the scroll wheel actually might not be so bad . I don't know exactly what the increased cost is gonna be , but I think he does have a point , i it might push somebody over the edge when they're looking at our at our remote versus something else , when they see this one has a scroll wheel to go up and down on the channels . I think it might be kinda neat to be able to do it like that . 1461.66 1464.01 1465.69 1470.92 1474.89 1478.77 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1478.88 1500.331 1479.59 1500.331 But then that that surely d depends a little on the T_V_ because some T_V_s are quite slow at changing channels from like so if you've got a scroll wheel and you s you have to scroll scroll it really really slowly just so that you're actually keeping in pace with the T_V_'s ability to to change channels . Or do you have to go through and you wait for it ? You scroll it a bunch of times and you wait for it to 1495.15 1497.91 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1479.536 1479.913 1479.7 1479.79 W - IS1002c B MIE029 1 1485.504 1485.923 1485.52 1485.81 Sure . 1485.81 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1495.642 1496.109 1495.76 1495.91 Yeah . 1495.91 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1499.552 1504.96 1499.57 1504.93 Well I think wh what it would be is like like the m like this , where it's maybe you know a digital 1503.04 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1505.968 1510.462 1505.99 1510.462 wheel , right , where it's where it's quantized into you know certain 1506.39 1506.74 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1506.096 1506.4 1506.12 1506.36 Mm . 1506.36 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1509.445 1511.248 1509.445 1511.12 Oh yeah . 1511.12 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1510.608 1511.808 1510.63 1511.808 Uh I see I see . That's where you 1511.3 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1511.912 1512.502 1511.94 1512.34 Yeah . 1512.34 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1511.936 1515.406 1511.96 1515.29 That was that was my my intuition of what the scroll wheel would be . 1515.29 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1513.728 1516.544 1513.76 1516.51 Ah I see I see what you're talking about now . Okay . 1516.16 1516.51 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1520.672 1526.24 1520.69 1526.21 It's just it's basically it it's just a f look and feel thing . It has the same exact functionality as two buttons . 1523.84 1526.21 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1523.888 1544.864 1523.888 1544.83 I I think there's you know that uh there are so many people today that are that are surfing are television surfers , and I see the scroll as a as a great mechanism for surfing . Instead of going button-to-bu you just j you'd j j j j j j . I really I really think that's a really cool thing for surfing . 1533.7 1537.11 1541.28 1544.83 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1537.161 1539.056 1537.28 1539.056 Yeah if you're just sitting there going - IS1002c B MIE029 1 1540.848 1541.104 1540.87 1541.07 Yeah . 1541.07 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1541.271 1543.554 1541.44 1543.48 That's kinda cool actually . I like that . 1542.97 1543.48 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1545.152 1560.832 1545.17 1560.77 Now just just so you know though uh you did bring up a point which is very valid , is a lot of T_V_s won't re the T_V_s won't respond exactly the same . Some of them are gonna be kinda slow switching , so you may like queue up like fifteen channel changes , and it'll be like flip , flip , flip . 1549.29 1552.47 1554.61 1558.05 1559.57 1560.37 1560.77 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1560.992 1562.077 1561.01 1561.96 Well there's ano - IS1002c B MIE029 1 1561.437 1562.027 1561.6 1562.027 But - IS1002c A MIE080 0 1561.696 1573.088 1561.72 1573.05 Well not n necessarily . You could basically make it so that it'll I mean it's just gonna be sending a signal to the T_V_ yeah the T_V_'s ge so if you send about five flip channels , if you did that it's gonna flip once . If you do that . 1562.99 1570.24 1572.46 1573.05 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1567.28 1567.6 1567.3 1567.56 Right . 1567.56 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1567.474 1567.975 1567.55 1567.84 That's right . 1567.84 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1572.448 1579.984 1572.47 1579.95 Yeah it just might be frustrating where you can't make it go as fast as you want , but I think once people get used to it I I do like the idea of the scroll wheel though . 1575.82 1579.95 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1574.24 1575.618 1574.26 1575.49 Other than click click click . 1575.49 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1576.176 1576.464 1576.2 1576.43 Yeah . 1576.43 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1580.032 1585.968 1580.05 1585.93 And if we're marketing it as a high niche product , then we're gonna be selling it to people who are buying good T_V_s as well , yeah , presumably . 1581.91 1585.11 1585.41 1585.93 IS1002c C MIO026 2 1585.414 1586.092 1585.48 1585.94 Mm-hmm . 1585.94 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1586.72 1595.584 1586.75 1595.55 Yeah I think so . I I think so . Now the the only thing I I on the interface side of it , is that I I I see the dilemma . 1588.04 1589.15 1592.9 1595.55 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1587.283 1588.032 1587.33 1587.99 Primarily . 1587.99 IS1002c C MIO026 2 1588.155 1588.661 1588.29 1588.48 Yep . 1588.48 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1596.688 1617.392 1596.688 1617.34 But if we have the option of of scrolling at any particular speed , or the option of jumping direct , okay . So I can go uh presuming I have , on my television , something that tells me what channel I'm on , I can scroll direct from channel five to channel thirty two . 1602.11 1605.35 1606.37 1610.83 1611.86 1613.82 1617.34 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1606.176 1606.464 1606.24 1606.41 Mm-hmm . 1606.41 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1618.72 1640.352 1618.72 1640.18 I know what because it's on the television . The television tells me what channel it's on when I change it . So I don't know that really that's that's gonna be a a d problem , 'cause the television can go automatically from channel five to channel thirty two with the push of a button . Okay ? So ca can we can we create that kind of interface within a scroll system ? You understand what I'm saying ? 1621.38 1624.1 1628.46 1634.36 1635.11 1639.22 1640.18 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1633.92 1634.288 1633.95 1634.24 Mm-hmm . 1634.24 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1640.272 1642.641 1640.29 1642.641 I think I know what you might be getting at , or or 1642.11 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1641.996 1646.288 1641.996 1646.25 Oh I see so if maybe if we had an L_C_D_ up the top that just did a number on it , right ? 1646.07 1646.25 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1646.96 1648.768 1647.15 1648.73 Oh no we could read it from the television . 1648.73 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1647.072 1648.631 1647.17 1648.631 And then it that basically - IS1002c B MIE029 1 1647.765 1658.665 1647.94 1658.665 Well , what about this what about if you can programme in your favourite channels into this scroll wheel and you can just like roll through your favourite channels , and it c it 1648.89 1657.63 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1649.477 1650.035 1649.68 1649.9 Mm . 1649.9 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1657.488 1660.99 1657.51 1660.87 Well that's quite cool . You'd need a display on the th the thing . 1658.31 1660.87 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1660.304 1662.85 1660.32 1662.52 Why ? It'll tell you when you flip the channel on the T_V_ . 1660.67 1662.52 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1661.728 1664.448 1661.75 1664.4 Yeah the the television can tell you . Can . 1664.1 1664.4 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1663.408 1663.6 1663.43 1663.56 Yeah . 1663.56 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1665.088 1668.88 1665.11 1668.84 Oh yeah yeah no I see what you're talking about . Yeah that's kinda cool . How would you program it though ? 1666.64 1667.76 1668.84 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1668.944 1684.336 1668.96 1684.25 Well you just it's one extra button . You say programme start , and then type in 'cause you still have the typing you know you'll still have the keypad where you can type 'em in manually . So programme start , zero , one , enter , zero , five , enter , thirty eight , enter , programme end . 1670.27 1672.14 1677.51 1678.53 1678.92 1679.25 1680.2 1680.68 1681.27 1681.93 1682.69 1683.66 1684.25 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1670.35 1670.766 1670.38 1670.766 Put - IS1002c A MIE080 0 1676.448 1677.191 1676.47 1677.03 Okay okay . 1677.03 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1684.736 1685.453 1684.91 1685.38 And then . 1685.38 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1685.056 1694.96 1685.08 1693.85 Okay and yeah and that just basically flips between it and it'll go it sends out zero , five , and then thirty six , and then zero , one again . Yeah that's kinda cool . I like that . 1689.15 1689.6 1690.89 1692.02 1692.32 1693.28 1693.85 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1688.192 1688.479 1688.22 1688.44 Mm-hmm . 1688.44 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1691.376 1691.696 1691.4 1691.64 Mm-hmm . 1691.64 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1695.04 1700.112 1695.06 1700.08 And again we have another another great marketing tool . We have about three we have three or four things here . 1697.81 1700.08 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1699.488 1710.896 1699.51 1710.86 That's not gonna be too expensive because that's gonna be you're gonna be able to nab that off of computer mouse manufacturers really . You could basically come up with a partnership to be able to produce that quite cheaply . 1706.68 1710.86 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1706.4 1706.72 1706.42 1706.67 Mm-hmm . 1706.67 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1710.896 1718.245 1710.94 1718.08 I dunno and an maybe we maybe even have this as in-house technology . This may be something that's available through our own uh through our own services . 1714.31 1718.08 IS1002c C MIO026 2 1711.156 1711.781 1711.37 1711.61 Yeah . 1711.61 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1717.968 1723.84 1717.99 1723.79 Might be , but tha that's not gonna be such a costly feature . The problem we're gonna have is making it robust . 1719.13 1721.49 1723.79 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1724.4 1733.104 1724.42 1733.03 Oh well we also have to determine in some manner how to switch between modes , between going through your favourites list and just hitting up one , up two . 1728.51 1732.49 1733.03 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1724.445 1725.834 1724.83 1725.66 Making it last . 1725.66 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1732.56 1739.376 1732.58 1739.34 Or we go directional up we go we go this we go this we go this way for one , we go this way for the other . 1738.17 1739.34 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1734.16 1736.803 1734.75 1736.64 So if there's a button for each type . 1736.64 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1739.296 1741.992 1739.32 1741.95 No because you wanna be able to go up and down through the channels . 1741.95 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1741.536 1744.64 1741.56 1744.64 Yeah people are gonna have their favourite sorta , whether they do that or whether they 1743.3 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1742.118 1742.988 1742.26 1742.92 Ah-ha okay . 1742.92 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1743.289 1747.161 1743.36 1746.93 Okay , okay , well then you just have , you have a diff you have a mode switch . 1743.92 1744.63 1745.43 1746.93 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1744.88 1745.472 1744.99 1745.43 Right . 1745.43 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1746.304 1751.44 1746.32 1751.41 I think we'll need a we'll need a mode switch , but then if we have a mode switch we're gonna need some kinda indicator 1748.52 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1746.455 1747.715 1746.61 1747.57 Yeah yeah the mode switch . 1747.57 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1752.368 1755.2 1752.47 1755.15 Just the lights behind the buttons . You could have back-lit buttons maybe . 1753.88 1755.15 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1752.56 1755.785 1752.58 1755.69 to which , an L_E_ an L_E_D_ okay . 1753.34 1755.69 IS1002c C MIO026 2 1756.924 1758.016 1756.924 1757.95 Yeah . 1757.95 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1756.96 1766.064 1756.98 1766.03 Would that work ? Is that okay we have five minutes . So right details th that we've talked about here are that we want a scroll wheel . 1758.45 1760.72 1766.03 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1758.528 1758.848 1758.55 1758.8 Okay . 1758.8 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1768.287 1771.36 1768.41 1771.31 We want a mode indicator . 1771.31 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1774.832 1777.36 1774.85 1777.32 We want back-lit buttons . 1777.32 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1780.224 1789.104 1780.24 1788.98 And if we're making back-lit buttons period , do we want that just for the mode indicator or maybe to indicate what button you're pressing at the time , so that you know if it's actually pressed or not . I've seen some remotes do that . 1782.05 1786.34 1787.88 1788.98 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1789.776 1801.341 1789.8 1801.22 Okay . Just so you know I think I mean it was my understanding that before we were gonna stay in the mid-market range . It seems we're kind of approaching a higher-end range . I wanna make sure everybody's okay with that . 1790.45 1795.79 1799.55 1801.22 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1799.104 1799.507 1799.12 1799.45 Yeah yeah . 1799.45 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1799.456 1800.384 1799.48 1800.35 I think we are yeah . 1800.35 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1800.592 1804.047 1800.61 1803.85 Well you had acknowledged that we have more money for this . Didn't you say so ? 1803.17 1803.85 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1803.12 1808.864 1803.14 1808.83 Yeah well we don't have it's not that we have more money , we can push up the the price . Yeah . 1806.45 1808.57 1808.83 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1807.68 1809.536 1807.7 1809.5 That's what I mean . We can increase the cost . 1808.39 1809.5 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1809.6 1809.904 1809.62 1809.87 Okay . 1809.87 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1810.688 1813.04 1810.76 1813.04 So I don't know I don't know whether having - IS1002c A MIE080 0 1810.765 1811.243 1810.8 1811.18 'Kay . 1811.18 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1811.954 1814.736 1812.09 1814.736 I just wanna make sure everybody's on board with it . So 1814.35 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1814.352 1814.624 1814.37 1814.59 Yeah . 1814.59 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1816.864 1827.616 1816.88 1827.58 So we really need to be sure as to what we can push the cost up to , though we haven't got to a stage where we're ready to pin down the price of components . But I'd say what sorta price are we looking to be able to sell something like that , and what sorta price can we make it for ? 1819.66 1823.24 1825.99 1827.58 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1827.808 1839.792 1827.85 1839.74 Well I think th I think the design and technology has to come back and say , okay to create this product we see it's gonna cost us this much for this volume , because we do have a volume target of of fifty million profit . 1831.18 1836.26 1839.74 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1839.92 1855.376 1840.29 1855.376 Yeah no I I think that's where we really should be more flexible than anything else because as we said in the last meeting , our management is really looking for us to push our brand . We're entering a new market here , so I think the the profit expectation for this one product is maybe not as important as being able to 1845.37 1848.02 1849.29 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1847.808 1848.016 1847.83 1847.98 Right . 1847.98 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1855.488 1867.248 1855.51 1867.21 Okay I'm I'm okay with that . I guess what I just want to me the next step is for these guys to come come in with the design proposal w with the cost estimate attached , and then we have to take this to the next level . 1856.74 1865.33 1867.21 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1866.736 1870.352 1866.78 1870.17 But th what's our ballpark as to what we'd be able to sell something like this for ? 1870.17 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1869.2 1880.192 1869.22 1880.16 Well y yeah . Let's let's try and think now , how much would you pay for with all these features how much would you pay if you went to the store , and you were in the market f to replace your T_V_ remote , how much would you pay for that ? 1869.63 1870.99 1876.22 1879.18 1880.16 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1870.272 1871.439 1870.36 1871.4 We have to find cost . 1871.4 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1880.912 1886.128 1880.94 1886.01 But you've gotta think who our target market is because I I'm not our target market . I'm a student , but 1884.48 1885.78 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1882.501 1883.664 1882.65 1883.6 I'm just asking you . 1883.6 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1886.688 1887.008 1886.71 1887.008 If - IS1002c A MIE080 0 1887.152 1889.964 1887.17 1889.83 on the other hand I would think , 1889.83 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1890.992 1919.41 1891.01 1919.41 mm with my Project Manager salary , I would think yeah I could probably afford this uh would I buy it ? Maybe . If I had a cool new T_V_ and this was r looking really slick and it had the dock and it had the scroll wheel , which I think's a really cool idea , that would sell me on it a little . Then maybe you know . I do I don't think I'd go over a hundred Euro certainly , that would be way too much , but the I would be happy paying over forty for it , I guess , but not much 1893.59 1898.62 1899.01 1903.34 1904.68 1906.59 1909.07 1911.69 1912.79 1917.51 1918.64 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1892.736 1897.224 1892.736 1896.51 Then you could probably afford this . 1896.51 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1911.488 1912.462 1911.51 1912.36 Oh no no . 1912.36 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1918.208 1920.128 1918.23 1919.98 I would say thirty five to forty . 1919.98 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1920.064 1922.16 1920.08 1922.13 Yeah , I was gonna say thirty five to fifty . 1920.5 1922.13 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1922.512 1928.014 1922.78 1927.84 'Kay . Thirty five to fifty Euros is our sales bracket okay . So the question is what we ca we make it for . 1923.26 1926.11 1927.84 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1925.92 1926.224 1925.94 1926.19 Okay . 1926.19 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1926.032 1934.128 1926.15 1934.09 Because one of th one of the things we're marketing about this product is that this is the last one you will ever need to buy for your television . It's one of the marketing features in this . 1932.32 1934.09 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1931.552 1931.888 1931.57 1931.85 Right . 1931.85 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1931.781 1932.308 1931.88 1932.19 Mm . 1932.19 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1934.064 1936.488 1934.3 1936.45 That's why the scroll needs to be really robust . 1936.45 IS1002c C MIO026 2 1936.672 1953.152 1936.69 1953.1 Okay so we'll come up with something between thirty five and fifty that is rug rubber , robust , with scroll wheel , with the new facilities of the scroll wheel like favourite stuff , favourite channels , and and with a cradle , and yeah and the locator . 1942.41 1943.29 1945.11 1948.93 1950.13 1951.86 1953.1 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1949.872 1950.208 1949.93 1950.17 Mm-hmm . 1950.17 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1949.984 1951.965 1950.0 1951.93 With a cradle , radio transmitters , 1950.81 1951.93 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1953.216 1957.057 1953.24 1957.01 and back-lit buttons . And it's gonna look sexy . 1954.78 1957.01 IS1002c C MIO026 2 1957.216 1958.944 1957.26 1958.45 Or not . 1958.45 IS1002c B MIE029 1 1957.968 1961.464 1957.99 1961.32 Or not . It might look like clay . 1958.91 1961.32 IS1002c C MIO026 2 1960.048 1963.823 1960.07 1963.79 Okay so you can market pe depending on that ? 1963.79 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1962.144 1966.816 1962.16 1966.76 Yeah yeah . Bas th that's that's easy . That's that's not a , it's a . 1963.1 1965.08 1965.89 1966.76 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1968.576 1972.176 1968.6 1972.12 'Cause we have about six , six , seven features in that alone . 1969.94 1970.44 1972.12 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1973.92 1974.256 1973.94 1974.15 Yep . 1974.15 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1974.336 1975.856 1974.36 1975.82 Under the title of uniquenesses . 1975.82 IS1002c C MIO026 2 1974.289 1974.847 1974.4 1974.74 Cool . 1974.74 IS1002c C MIO026 2 1976.301 1976.778 1976.34 1976.44 Hmm . 1976.44 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1977.328 1989.392 1977.35 1989.36 Okay . The next meeting starts in thirty minutes , although does it ? It starts at three twenty one , the next meeting . So we've got more than a thirty minutes . Um we've got more like fifty . 1977.8 1979.94 1980.61 1983.72 1984.45 1986.5 1989.36 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1988.256 1988.864 1988.28 1988.864 Well I have - IS1002c D MIE083 3 1989.872 1992.128 1989.91 1992.09 Is my three twenty one is the next meeting ? 1992.09 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1992.192 1994.688 1992.21 1994.58 The the ne next meeting is three twenty one yeah . 1994.58 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1994.336 1997.525 1994.36 1997.36 That's that's almost uh fifty minutes . 1997.36 IS1002c A MIE080 0 1997.2 2001.911 1997.33 2001.78 Yeah that is . Uh they've they've changed the times from the presentations . 1998.62 2001.78 IS1002c D MIE083 3 1999.088 2000.128 1999.088 2000.128 You guys can - IS1002c D MIE083 3 2001.872 2004.016 2001.89 2004.016 You guys you guys can uh create a - IS1002c D MIE083 3 2005.048 2006.116 2005.07 2005.9 All kinds of things . 2005.9 IS1002c B MIE029 1 2005.12 2008.608 2005.14 2008.57 Probably . We'll let you know when we're done , if we can go earlier . 2005.67 2007.6 2008.57 IS1002c D MIE083 3 2007.536 2009.392 2007.536 2009.33 Thanks , yeah . 2009.13 2009.33 IS1002c A MIE080 0 2009.376 2014.352 2009.4 2014.352 Okay so you guys will be getting your modelling done now and uh - IS1002c B MIE029 1 2013.344 2013.6 2013.36 2013.53 Yeah . 2013.53 IS1002c A MIE080 0 2016.272 2027.984 2016.29 2027.95 Okay are there any other questions with regards to what this thing's gonna do , look like , how it's gonna work that need to be addressed before we really look at this in a lot of detail ? 2020.06 2021.63 2027.95 IS1002c B MIE029 1 2028.16 2031.84 2028.18 2031.8 I don't think so . If we have any questions we'll just email you I guess . 2029.44 2031.8 IS1002c A MIE080 0 2032.096 2032.432 2032.12 2032.4 Okay . 2032.4 IS1002c C MIO026 2 2033.696 2035.728 2034.01 2035.66 Yeah I think it pretty much everything's covered . 2035.66 IS1002c A MIE080 0 2036.48 2038.768 2036.5 2038.69 Okay . This one was quite easy . 2037.8 2038.69 IS1002c C MIO026 2 2040.016 2040.624 2040.04 2040.59 Coulda been worse . 2040.59 IS1002c D MIE083 3 2041.856 2042.326 2041.88 2042.25 Still . 2042.25 IS1002c A MIE080 0 2041.904 2044.384 2041.92 2044.35 Always the optimist . 'Kay thanks guys . 2043.46 2044.35 IS1002c C MIO026 2 2042.544 2043.92 2042.95 2043.68 Yes I am . 2043.68 IS1002c D MIE083 3 2045.088 2045.952 2045.11 2045.89 Thank you . 2045.89 IS1002c D MIE083 3 2047.262 2050.515 2047.29 2050.4 I don't have any emails . This means I can go home . 2048.49 2050.4 IS1002c D MIE083 3 2053.86 2056.792 2054.08 2054.57 Oh , we all leave . 2054.2 2056.31 IS1002d A MIE080 0 3.4 4.297 3.57 3.87 Uh 'kay . 3.87 IS1002d A MIE080 0 9.478 10.796 9.69 10.796 So - IS1002d D MIE083 3 10.953 11.998 10.97 11.73 So so so . 11.73 IS1002d B MIE029 1 11.539 12.59 11.56 12.5 Put on your mic . 12.5 IS1002d C MIO026 2 12.967 17.264 12.967 16.8 So you forgot how this works again ? 16.8 IS1002d B MIE029 1 17.339 18.268 17.59 18.2 Boss . 18.2 IS1002d A MIE080 0 18.957 19.704 19.08 19.64 Yep . 19.64 IS1002d C MIO026 2 21.05 22.1 21.05 21.94 Boss . 21.94 IS1002d D MIE083 3 23.624 25.678 23.64 25.56 Maybe . Maybe maybe maybe . 24.33 25.56 IS1002d A MIE080 0 25.392 32.0 25.41 31.75 Okay so we're here to talk about the detailed design of the product , 'kay ? 31.47 31.75 IS1002d B MIE029 1 31.884 32.384 32.15 32.35 Yep . 32.35 IS1002d A MIE080 0 33.104 49.081 33.21 48.93 And here's the agenda for this meeting . Uh I'm just gonna open , say a few boring words to start with again , and start taking minutes afterwards . You guys are gonna give us a presentation of our wonder product that I can see some demonstrations of over there . Looks cool . 36.66 38.28 40.68 42.6 48.1 48.93 IS1002d A MIE080 0 49.081 72.464 49.27 72.464 And then we're gonna evaluate it . Then we're gonna talk about finance , and I've got a lovely Excel spreadsheet that I knocked up in the last five minutes for this . And uh yep . And we're gonna evaluate the product and close . Got forty minutes to do this in . We should be fine . Let's try and keep this one on schedule . So 52.75 54.54 59.09 61.81 65.84 67.51 69.35 71.76 IS1002d D MIE083 3 51.536 53.844 51.536 53.75 Bra - IS1002d C MIO026 2 58.816 60.528 58.816 60.46 Hmm you knocked it up ? 60.46 IS1002d B MIE029 1 70.944 71.552 71.24 71.52 Alright . 71.52 IS1002d A MIE080 0 75.456 76.08 75.48 76.02 Your - IS1002d A MIE080 0 77.632 80.534 77.71 80.534 thing is in where is it ? Is it in 80.1 IS1002d C MIO026 2 79.646 81.184 79.73 81.15 Thi third third third . 81.15 IS1002d B MIE029 1 80.132 81.392 80.2 81.36 Three , three . 81.09 81.36 IS1002d C MIO026 2 82.688 83.808 82.74 83.77 The end product thingy . 83.77 IS1002d C MIO026 2 86.464 87.504 87.04 87.35 Yeah . 87.35 IS1002d A MIE080 0 88.688 89.488 88.84 89.28 Who wants it ? 89.28 IS1002d B MIE029 1 91.28 91.936 91.3 91.89 Pedro can have it . 91.89 IS1002d C MIO026 2 96.096 96.448 96.096 96.448 . 96.448 IS1002d B MIE029 1 96.368 97.472 96.39 97.44 I like I'll help talk . 97.44 IS1002d C MIO026 2 97.504 101.52 97.504 101.48 Um yeah so what we ended up with . 101.48 IS1002d C MIO026 2 103.6 120.446 103.65 120.34 Production costs estimated by our manufacturing department and um the research department , which is us , is uh fifteen point eight Euros , someone forgot the units there yeah , uh unit price unit production price cost thing . Um 108.72 110.16 112.41 114.87 119.31 IS1002d B MIE029 1 113.501 114.32 113.52 114.28 Unit price . 114.28 IS1002d C MIO026 2 120.446 145.36 120.74 145.3 we implemented the basic functions , which is just T_V_ functions plus the locator , which was one of the marketing things , cradle , scroll wheel for uh the the channels , and uh we implemented the f the the way of putting the new and revolutionary zapping , your favourite channels functionality , in the scroll . 123.0 127.55 129.95 131.34 136.37 142.39 144.58 145.3 IS1002d A MIE080 0 145.664 147.136 145.69 147.07 Zapping your favourite channels , eh ? 146.97 147.07 IS1002d C MIO026 2 147.328 147.68 147.35 147.65 Yeah . 147.65 IS1002d B MIE029 1 148.016 149.504 148.04 149.47 Scrolling through your favourites list . 149.47 IS1002d A MIE080 0 149.456 150.16 149.48 150.13 Oh okay okay . 150.13 IS1002d C MIO026 2 150.128 151.232 150.15 151.18 Zapping you know zapping . 151.18 IS1002d A MIE080 0 151.872 153.28 151.9 153.25 Ah 'kay okay , that's favourites . 152.58 153.25 IS1002d C MIO026 2 152.624 157.792 152.64 157.76 Maybe it's just a Portuguese thing . And um yeah that was the result . 156.0 157.76 IS1002d A MIE080 0 158.976 163.2 159.03 163.16 Ah 'kay . I like the the the the logo on there as well . 160.81 163.16 IS1002d B MIE029 1 163.52 165.28 163.91 164.82 It's very prominent . 164.82 IS1002d A MIE080 0 165.328 166.896 165.35 166.896 It is very prominent . So this is the 166.11 IS1002d B MIE029 1 168.032 199.232 168.05 199.2 So here I'll give you the so this is the cradle unit , and this is the actual remote itself . Um so the scroll bar is or the scroll wheel is this this green little scrolly guy here , um and then the volume controls are here and here . Uh you've got the keypad which is the numbers uh f from zero to nine and then ten . This is the power button . Uh we have our um we have the enter button and uh what was the other button here ? 172.03 175.01 182.16 185.41 190.67 192.18 199.2 IS1002d A MIE080 0 185.024 185.488 185.05 185.45 Okay . 185.45 IS1002d B MIE029 1 201.648 202.848 201.67 202.8 This is the teletext . 202.8 IS1002d C MIO026 2 201.872 206.032 201.9 205.97 Start s the the start uh to to to programme yeah . 205.97 IS1002d B MIE029 1 204.784 232.32 204.8 232.32 The programme button , yeah the programme button . So this bl this button will be used both for the favourites and for programming your uh the um the type of television you wanna use . So um the plastic is the white area of this of the model here , and the red area is like a rubber covering . So you can see that when it lays like this or like this and the buttons are all gonna be rubber , so it's pretty hard to actually damage it um 206.05 207.69 216.18 221.35 223.67 228.69 IS1002d A MIE080 0 206.052 207.28 206.38 207.25 Ah , okay I see . 206.46 207.25 IS1002d A MIE080 0 223.936 224.678 223.96 224.54 It's pretty cool . 224.54 IS1002d A MIE080 0 232.24 236.672 232.26 236.64 Is that could that be easy to for the scroll wheel to be rotated if it lands on it ? 236.64 IS1002d B MIE029 1 237.408 239.408 237.43 239.37 Yeah that might be a possible - IS1002d B MIE029 1 240.864 245.04 240.9 244.59 a mi uh possible problem , but if you drop it yeah . 242.91 244.59 IS1002d C MIO026 2 243.232 245.661 243.25 245.57 Not helping . 245.57 IS1002d A MIE080 0 246.288 248.768 246.31 248.69 Oh well I guess it depends on the stiffness a little of it . 248.69 IS1002d B MIE029 1 249.296 254.128 249.38 254.09 Yeah and it depends on if it's sliding , but I think it's pretty ergonomic . You can feel it . 251.98 253.44 254.09 IS1002d A MIE080 0 254.704 260.48 254.73 260.45 Mm . Feels good . I take it that this is gonna be slightly lighter in the final design as well . 255.99 256.5 260.45 IS1002d B MIE029 1 259.36 262.256 259.38 261.84 Yeah of course . Well this is clay . 260.54 261.84 IS1002d A MIE080 0 262.752 266.25 262.752 266.13 Yeah it's kinda cool . You have to reach a little bit don't you . 264.89 266.13 IS1002d B MIE029 1 265.504 272.704 265.52 272.704 Yeah the the power button is a bit of a reach , but I think we might scale down the final model a bit . These this is a bit larger than it would be , but 267.2 269.84 272.41 IS1002d A MIE080 0 269.424 270.688 269.44 270.65 Ah yeah that wouldn't make sense . 270.65 IS1002d A MIE080 0 273.52 274.848 273.66 274.81 It's cool . I'm impressed . 274.28 274.81 IS1002d C MIO026 2 275.056 276.624 275.13 276.44 Don't have no one to handle that . 276.44 IS1002d D MIE083 3 277.552 288.194 277.58 288.15 Mm that's oh that's oh I like it . I mean you guys gave me more than I was asking for , so I'm happy because we've got some really marketable features in this . 282.14 284.23 288.15 IS1002d A MIE080 0 277.92 280.496 277.95 280.46 And hold it so wh what's the marketing perspective ? 280.46 IS1002d D MIE083 3 290.576 293.088 290.6 293.04 Yeah I think it's good . Good good good job . 292.0 293.04 IS1002d B MIE029 1 294.144 297.536 294.23 297.5 Mm Pedro can demonstrate the the paging ability . 297.5 IS1002d C MIO026 2 296.224 296.672 296.24 296.62 Yeah . 296.62 IS1002d C MIO026 2 297.142 303.088 297.19 303.05 So you ha you have like the the base station with um the little button for the where's my remote . 303.05 IS1002d B MIE029 1 303.248 304.048 303.27 303.95 Beep beep beep . 303.95 IS1002d D MIE083 3 304.08 305.535 304.08 305.49 Uh pla - IS1002d C MIO026 2 306.864 308.528 307.22 308.48 The locator function . 308.48 IS1002d D MIE083 3 307.328 307.712 307.35 307.68 I'm ha - IS1002d A MIE080 0 308.204 309.691 308.204 309.52 Okay . 309.52 IS1002d D MIE083 3 308.928 312.208 308.95 312.15 It's great . That's great . It's a great feature . 310.36 311.16 312.15 IS1002d B MIE029 1 311.472 334.256 311.49 334.22 Um beep beep beep so beep beep beep beep beep beep be shut up . Beep beep beep okay . Um no no no tha that's alri 326.11 332.47 IS1002d A MIE080 0 312.128 317.248 312.15 317.248 Mm it's impressing . So let me get it , if I press this button 314.97 315.71 IS1002d C MIO026 2 314.08 322.704 314.08 322.704 Wicked isn't it ? 322.6 IS1002d A MIE080 0 318.304 321.348 318.33 321.31 I see . That's pretty cool . Hang on . 320.01 320.92 321.31 IS1002d D MIE083 3 324.096 328.839 324.16 328.839 So you can take this ho take this home with you tonight and you can push that and he'll be across town - IS1002d A MIE080 0 329.613 338.471 329.613 338.32 I plan to do that as well . So the the two blue are are those for the the it to charge off of in ? 333.69 338.32 IS1002d B MIE029 1 337.824 362.707 337.84 362.707 Exactly that's exactly what those are for . And um there's one other feature that we were debating , but we decided to go against it , is um you could beep beep beep we were thinking that it might be interesting to have a trigger button here because you have this finger it it's it kinda feels like there should be something there , but we couldn't figure out what button is important enough to put there . And we we don't wanna accidentally be hitting the power button like that so 340.01 343.04 344.45 355.89 359.48 IS1002d A MIE080 0 338.928 339.705 338.96 339.59 Ah okay okay . 339.59 IS1002d A MIE080 0 352.848 355.232 352.87 355.2 Yeah it's the right shape isn't it ? 355.2 IS1002d A MIE080 0 361.888 368.561 361.91 368.3 But maybe if you had a trigger plus the scroll then that would get past the the problem of it landing and scrolling , 'cause then it would need to be hit on both sides . 366.45 368.3 IS1002d B MIE029 1 363.772 364.295 363.86 364.06 Mm . 364.06 IS1002d B MIE029 1 366.256 366.544 366.28 366.51 Right . 366.51 IS1002d B MIE029 1 368.102 371.584 368.12 371.584 So maybe in a final design phase we might tweak that a little bit , but 371.18 IS1002d A MIE080 0 371.107 371.584 371.2 371.55 Okay . 371.55 IS1002d D MIE083 3 372.684 374.213 372.93 374.08 Uh , I can see that . 373.5 374.08 IS1002d A MIE080 0 373.488 377.408 373.51 377.37 But it's definitely got options for like different types of models and things as well based on that , hasn't it ? 377.08 377.37 IS1002d B MIE029 1 376.59 377.094 376.73 377.01 Mm-hmm . 377.01 IS1002d D MIE083 3 379.184 381.264 379.2 381.22 Yep I like . Good job . 380.9 381.22 IS1002d A MIE080 0 382.128 384.224 382.15 384.19 So is that the the final colour scheme as well or ? 384.19 IS1002d D MIE083 3 383.457 386.274 383.457 386.02 No no . 386.02 IS1002d B MIE029 1 384.144 387.408 384.38 387.37 Oh no this is just what we had to work with at the time . 387.37 IS1002d A MIE080 0 387.776 388.128 387.8 388.09 Okay . 388.09 IS1002d B MIE029 1 388.816 391.184 388.84 391.15 So we'll leave the colour scheme up to the marketing people . 391.15 IS1002d A MIE080 0 391.872 393.072 391.89 392.8 The hmm . 392.8 IS1002d B MIE029 1 396.326 397.008 396.63 396.97 Careful . 396.97 IS1002d A MIE080 0 396.957 401.568 397.39 401.568 It came off . The scroll wheels , a problem with them not being sort of 398.66 399.64 IS1002d D MIE083 3 404.144 405.86 404.16 405.86 Well I mean of course , I mean 405.31 IS1002d A MIE080 0 404.416 406.785 404.44 406.7 I don't think the user interface guy wants to touch it anymore . 406.7 IS1002d D MIE083 3 406.264 411.713 406.32 411.62 My my s my suggestion is we're gonna go go to the silvers and blacks like most of the televisions . 411.62 IS1002d A MIE080 0 411.504 411.92 411.54 411.83 Mm . 411.83 IS1002d D MIE083 3 412.832 414.544 412.85 414.51 You know some blend of silvers and blacks . 414.51 IS1002d B MIE029 1 417.472 421.408 417.472 421.408 Beep beep beep . 421.1 IS1002d A MIE080 0 419.168 422.464 419.168 422.35 Okay enough of that . Well i it's cool guys . 421.34 422.35 IS1002d A MIE080 0 423.584 426.72 423.6 426.62 'Kay so are we done with the this presentation ? 426.62 IS1002d B MIE029 1 427.008 427.248 427.03 427.21 Yeah . 427.21 IS1002d C MIO026 2 427.296 427.68 427.32 427.63 Ja . 427.63 IS1002d A MIE080 0 427.936 428.543 427.97 428.543 Okay . 428.42 IS1002d A MIE080 0 432.944 433.456 432.96 433.37 Now now . 433.37 IS1002d D MIE083 3 437.166 441.696 437.24 441.66 So you're not gonna find my uh my folder up there I gotta do mine up at the board . 441.66 IS1002d A MIE080 0 442.864 443.536 442.89 443.5 Have you ? Okay . 443.18 443.5 IS1002d D MIE083 3 443.744 444.144 443.76 444.11 Yeah yeah . 444.11 IS1002d D MIE083 3 445.168 447.456 445.21 447.456 So - IS1002d A MIE080 0 447.312 450.24 447.38 450.2 Can I not get your get at stuff from your shared folder now ? 450.2 IS1002d D MIE083 3 450.336 471.417 450.49 471.37 No it's not in there because I had the computer problem and I I I cou I couldn't create it . I couldn't create it in the PowerPoint , and I think I've got this really strange cable . So what I had , basically going from the PowerPoint format , is that uh yeah yeah I like this a lot . 455.81 458.13 461.91 463.56 467.85 471.37 IS1002d A MIE080 0 453.232 454.139 453.3 454.1 Oh I see I see . 454.1 IS1002d D MIE083 3 473.493 479.744 473.66 479.71 Is this one of the tests is to see how we can adapt to s changing situations in the in the meeting room ? 479.71 IS1002d C MIO026 2 480.352 483.184 480.352 483.14 Nah . 483.14 IS1002d D MIE083 3 481.632 485.296 483.14 485.11 So what we had is we had the method . 485.11 IS1002d D MIE083 3 488.4 490.128 488.64 490.01 That's not how you spell method , is it ? 489.72 490.01 IS1002d B MIE029 1 490.832 491.664 490.98 491.56 No way . 491.56 IS1002d D MIE083 3 491.712 493.248 491.73 493.2 No A_ . 493.2 IS1002d D MIE083 3 494.304 496.064 494.304 496.064 . 496.064 IS1002d D MIE083 3 497.776 500.4 497.776 500.32 So this doesn't go so fast this way . 500.32 IS1002d D MIE083 3 502.832 507.104 503.1 507.0 And when I speak about method I speak about the marketing of the product huh . 507.0 IS1002d D MIE083 3 514.944 524.752 514.96 524.69 And uh to me with this product we got uh we got basically three things to market . We've got the features , 523.09 524.69 IS1002d D MIE083 3 527.92 530.8 528.28 530.74 we have the uh characteristics , 530.74 IS1002d D MIE083 3 535.328 542.416 535.48 542.27 and we have the I I don't know what we would call the other part what we call you know the the the - IS1002d D MIE083 3 544.112 545.952 544.13 545.952 corp corporate - IS1002d D MIE083 3 547.36 548.128 547.38 547.93 Help me . 547.93 IS1002d D MIE083 3 550.512 569.868 550.53 569.31 The the corporation stands behind the product , okay . So the features I think we got the scroll , we've got the uh the locator , we've got the durability , we've got the dependability , we've got you know the features that make this a unique product . Um 552.7 553.69 557.1 559.56 561.41 563.52 568.75 IS1002d C MIO026 2 559.539 560.795 559.75 560.52 It fell off . 560.52 IS1002d B MIE029 1 565.231 566.006 565.3 565.84 Beep beep beep . 565.84 IS1002d D MIE083 3 569.868 594.381 569.868 594.28 the characteristics I talk about , we have reliability , we have comfort , we have ergonomics , we have environmentally s sensitive . Uh and the corporation , we're talking about we're we're a new we're a new company . We're wanting to make a name for ourself . We're wanting you to uh find our product so we're gonna give you a good product at a fair price . 572.53 574.32 575.52 576.91 579.99 581.87 586.11 588.34 594.28 IS1002d D MIE083 3 594.381 645.497 594.5 645.46 One thing I would want to to see is uh is can we can we get a lifetime uh guarantee on this product , a normal use guarantee , which means that this product , for the for the life of of the life use , if it should have a technical problem , that we could re replace it at no cost ? That was something I would be interested in . Um so yeah without uh going into great details , we have a we have a product , it has the features and the characteristics , and the background , I believe , to make it marketable I believe at a cost of of of thirty thirty five to to fifty Euros . We're gonna be competitive , and we're gonna we're gonna have a market niche . Um w 605.63 607.39 608.87 613.27 615.07 617.62 619.98 624.94 626.23 627.88 629.11 629.61 638.43 640.35 644.45 IS1002d A MIE080 0 645.2 653.76 645.24 653.73 Do you would you a argue that that we're better going for the higher cost than bringing it down into twenty f five as we probably could , but lowering our profit margins ? 652.52 653.73 IS1002d D MIE083 3 654.176 673.36 654.21 673.31 That that would be uh that would be I think a decision best made by corporate um I I m for my evaluation , based on what our competition is , I th I think that that we can go after this and and and go after more of the uh exclusivity sense than the mass market sense . 661.6 663.55 673.31 IS1002d A MIE080 0 673.68 674.096 673.74 674.02 Mm-hmm . 674.02 IS1002d A MIE080 0 675.184 675.52 675.2 675.47 Mm 'kay . 675.47 IS1002d D MIE083 3 677.824 681.36 677.97 681.26 But I'm sh I'm sure open to to market this in either direction . 681.26 IS1002d D MIE083 3 683.216 697.528 683.39 697.35 But you guys came up with a great product , and at that cost I think it uh there's nobody else that's putting this this combination of of ingredients together . The only limitations I see to this is that we're focused on television only . 685.7 692.5 697.35 IS1002d D MIE083 3 697.528 716.896 697.63 716.78 Uh that's the only that's the only drawback I see to this . But with all of these other features I think people c one thing I'm I'm hoping for is people are not gonna even notice . There's gonna be somebody going home and say oh sh this thing doesn't work for my D_V_D_ and my but I like these other things , so they keep it , they don't take it back . 701.53 709.38 715.32 715.91 716.78 IS1002d A MIE080 0 716.382 725.032 716.4 725.0 And we're actually quite open to be able to expand the product for a later version with those features quite simply anyway , aren't we ? Th there's no fundamentally different technology to do that . 722.07 722.31 725.0 IS1002d D MIE083 3 722.896 730.176 722.896 730.13 Well one of one of the thoughts that I had is can can this unit be be produced in a way that makes it upgradable ? 730.13 IS1002d D MIE083 3 731.824 742.399 731.84 742.399 You know uh like like a um a sim card in a in a um in a telephone . You know is there a card in th can we make a card and so after 738.55 IS1002d A MIE080 0 732.192 732.693 732.21 732.46 Hmm . 732.46 IS1002d C MIO026 2 741.472 747.198 741.51 747.198 W we need we need we need s some more buttons if it would to work on some other stuff , but 746.68 IS1002d B MIE029 1 746.432 746.736 746.46 746.7 Mm-hmm . 746.7 IS1002d D MIE083 3 746.656 749.328 746.68 749.26 Mm-hmm , but you follow what I'm s I'm s 747.92 IS1002d C MIO026 2 747.808 753.794 748.63 753.794 We we w yeah we could get another version of it that actually works . But uh 752.86 IS1002d D MIE083 3 752.512 763.867 752.53 763.867 Yeah 'cause if if we can make this unit upgradable then we're yeah but then we talk about changing the warranty concept and everything , but that's that was just an idea I had . Uh to me the only additions 759.46 762.07 IS1002d A MIE080 0 762.459 772.96 762.68 772.93 Yeah , the plus there's the the risk of making it unusable as well , or making it less b because at the moment it's actually very straightforward to look at all the buttons , you know what they do , it's very simple , and it just works . 762.99 766.33 770.69 771.3 772.16 772.93 IS1002d D MIE083 3 771.552 771.776 771.57 771.74 Yeah . 771.74 IS1002d D MIE083 3 773.199 773.92 773.55 773.81 Yep . 773.81 IS1002d A MIE080 0 774.016 775.12 774.04 775.09 Mm there's a risk of that . 775.09 IS1002d D MIE083 3 775.04 777.11 775.54 777.11 But anyway that's uh - IS1002d A MIE080 0 778.784 781.632 779.57 781.59 Okay so we can talk about finance now . 781.59 IS1002d A MIE080 0 782.96 790.256 782.99 790.19 So I have a little spreadsheet for us where I I was wondering , you when you talked about the fifteen point eight Euros , I was wondering how you came up with that figure ? 786.78 788.67 790.19 IS1002d B MIE029 1 791.216 798.672 791.24 798.07 Well , that was just just our technical team added up the um production costs of the individual units . 791.84 798.07 IS1002d A MIE080 0 797.888 802.864 797.91 802.83 Okay so I have bit of a spreadsheet here for this . 802.83 IS1002d C MIO026 2 803.523 805.573 803.65 805.51 Very co very colf colourful . 805.51 IS1002d A MIE080 0 803.651 804.274 803.651 804.01 Now - IS1002d B MIE029 1 803.728 804.16 803.75 804.13 Oh . 804.13 IS1002d A MIE080 0 804.832 828.896 804.85 828.896 I've made a f few assumptions here in that I'm assuming that our power adaptor we can make for a cost of four Euros , equivalent to solar cells , which I think is probably fair considering that we have in-house manufacturing of power adaptors already . Uh and I'm assuming that the locator beacon , the you know the 812.86 814.99 822.84 828.13 IS1002d B MIE029 1 809.6 809.888 809.62 809.83 Uh-huh . 809.83 IS1002d B MIE029 1 822.192 822.56 822.21 822.46 Uh-huh . 822.46 IS1002d D MIE083 3 829.184 829.536 829.21 829.5 Mm-hmm . 829.5 IS1002d B MIE029 1 829.456 829.84 829.48 829.7 Yeah . 829.7 IS1002d C MIO026 2 829.76 830.272 829.78 830.24 beep beep beep . 830.24 IS1002d A MIE080 0 830.592 839.648 830.592 839.648 Can be made for it sounded different that time uh can be made for a similar price to uh an L_C_ display , uh an uh 838.16 IS1002d B MIE029 1 834.139 838.123 834.27 838.123 Oh , sorry . 834.37 838.07 IS1002d A MIE080 0 840.496 843.392 840.496 843.36 Uh do you think that's fair coming from a m the manufacturing ? 843.36 IS1002d B MIE029 1 843.68 854.496 843.7 854.46 Yeah um I do think we that we we uh don't need the events chip on print , we only need the uh the regular chip on print , so there may have been a m miscalculation in there . 848.57 851.69 854.46 IS1002d A MIE080 0 844.752 845.456 844.752 845.456 . 845.456 IS1002d A MIE080 0 851.936 852.32 851.96 852.29 Okay . 852.29 IS1002d A MIE080 0 853.584 853.808 853.62 853.77 Yep . 853.77 IS1002d A MIE080 0 858.384 858.736 858.42 858.7 Okay . 858.7 IS1002d A MIE080 0 860.128 861.792 860.15 861.75 So we're down to sixteen point four , yeah . 861.63 861.75 IS1002d B MIE029 1 861.177 863.952 861.24 863.952 And we and we have a single-curved uh - IS1002d A MIE080 0 865.616 868.21 865.64 867.63 Is that a single-curved rather than a double-curved ? 867.63 IS1002d B MIE029 1 868.656 870.081 868.76 870.081 Uh I think that - IS1002d D MIE083 3 870.88 877.424 870.88 876.87 We've got a we've got a curve and a droop . I don't know whether that . 873.87 876.87 IS1002d A MIE080 0 870.768 873.391 871.17 873.28 We're not entirely sure what single-curve versus double-cur - IS1002d B MIE029 1 874.784 876.944 874.94 876.9 It's single-curved , yeah . 876.66 876.9 IS1002d A MIE080 0 876.048 878.448 876.07 878.4 You think ? Okay I'm convinced . 876.46 878.4 IS1002d A MIE080 0 880.448 884.128 880.47 884.128 But we save one Euro that way , yeah ? So we come bring it down to 881.77 882.81 IS1002d A MIE080 0 885.67 886.977 885.67 886.9 Fifteen point four . 886.9 IS1002d B MIE029 1 885.808 892.932 885.83 892.64 See it's a little bit more than f single-curved . So yeah it's fifteen point eight , that's where we came up with it . 887.94 889.44 892.64 IS1002d A MIE080 0 891.365 907.92 891.365 907.92 Well hang on . Do don't speak so it's in here , in that w do we have any we have special form don't we ? So that's yeah . But the the the we haven't talked about any special colour though uh I don't th if we're going for greys and silvers then I don't think we're 892.86 895.12 899.24 901.3 IS1002d B MIE029 1 894.384 895.126 894.58 894.94 Okay . 894.94 IS1002d C MIO026 2 898.32 898.718 898.34 898.67 Yeah . 898.67 IS1002d B MIE029 1 898.592 899.264 898.61 899.19 Yeah we do . 899.19 IS1002d B MIE029 1 900.32 903.951 900.55 903.64 Ah . What do you know . 901.35 903.64 IS1002d B MIE029 1 905.12 908.896 905.12 908.896 Oh it's a that's not very special , it's pretty 908.36 IS1002d A MIE080 0 909.156 910.752 909.156 910.752 O okay so we're - IS1002d B MIE029 1 910.032 913.963 910.032 913.93 If th . 913.93 IS1002d A MIE080 0 911.56 924.224 911.64 924.17 Push-button , scroll wheel , we're basically we have uh th is this intended to be a button as well or just a scroll ? Just a scroll ? It's not one of the scrolls where , for example , with this one you could push it down to be a button ? 912.24 913.24 920.08 920.7 921.83 922.26 924.17 IS1002d C MIO026 2 911.659 912.112 911.71 912.112 We don't - IS1002d C MIO026 2 918.752 919.771 918.89 919.58 It's a scroll . 919.58 IS1002d B MIE029 1 919.296 919.984 919.32 919.95 That's a scroll . 919.95 IS1002d B MIE029 1 924.848 927.488 924.87 927.45 Uh no we just use it as a scroll . 927.45 IS1002d D MIE083 3 926.321 926.86 926.42 926.79 Ooh . 926.79 IS1002d A MIE080 0 927.92 931.008 927.94 930.96 Okay then we have fifteen point eight Euros . 930.96 IS1002d B MIE029 1 931.328 933.824 931.35 933.73 It was a pretty accurate estimate I would say . 933.73 IS1002d A MIE080 0 932.832 933.808 932.832 933.76 It wasn't bad . 933.76 IS1002d C MIO026 2 932.962 933.584 933.03 933.43 Yes . 933.43 IS1002d B MIE029 1 934.502 937.072 934.502 936.64 Yeah . 936.64 IS1002d C MIO026 2 934.56 936.256 934.58 936.22 We're wicked . Awesome . 935.82 936.22 IS1002d A MIE080 0 937.152 938.192 937.17 938.13 Okay so - IS1002d A MIE080 0 939.216 940.64 939.24 940.64 we're on to the - IS1002d B MIE029 1 939.415 942.88 939.7 942.75 S 's kind of s frighteningly accurate . 942.75 IS1002d C MIO026 2 942.208 943.024 942.31 942.78 Yeah . 942.78 IS1002d A MIE080 0 942.944 945.152 942.96 944.84 We're on to the pat-on-the-back part of the - IS1002d A MIE080 0 947.088 957.52 947.11 957.52 presentation , where we have a look at the criterias th that Paul the criterion criteria that Paul has has given us , and we can use that to tell 947.84 955.1 IS1002d A MIE080 0 959.36 960.096 959.38 959.98 How's it going ? 959.98 IS1002d A MIE080 0 961.856 965.408 961.856 965.37 Anyone got any thoughts ? How how have we done today ? 964.26 965.37 IS1002d B MIE029 1 963.408 963.6 963.43 963.57 What ? 963.57 IS1002d B MIE029 1 966.128 967.12 966.17 967.09 I think we did pretty well . 967.09 IS1002d C MIO026 2 967.584 967.824 967.6 967.79 Yeah . 967.79 IS1002d A MIE080 0 968.016 970.768 968.04 970.73 I think we did pretty well too . That looks pretty spectacular . 969.41 970.73 IS1002d D MIE083 3 971.056 979.12 971.08 979.0 No , I think we come up with a with a attractive marketable um product and and concept . 971.25 979.0 IS1002d A MIE080 0 988.656 990.064 988.68 990.03 Any other chang uh thoughts ? 990.03 IS1002d A MIE080 0 996.878 1000.752 997.06 1000.62 Okay so th th what about um room for creativity ? 1000.62 IS1002d C MIO026 2 1003.52 1004.535 1003.54 1004.535 That was mm-hmm - IS1002d A MIE080 0 1003.553 1005.664 1003.67 1005.6 Is it the . 1005.6 IS1002d B MIE029 1 1004.976 1008.96 1005.0 1008.93 Sh I think there was plenty of room . We got a couple innovative i 1007.71 IS1002d C MIO026 2 1006.704 1007.142 1006.75 1006.93 Yeah . 1006.93 IS1002d A MIE080 0 1006.896 1009.392 1006.92 1009.35 I I think we we ended up being quite creative there . 1009.35 IS1002d D MIE083 3 1009.552 1033.568 1009.64 1033.53 Yeah well we we we kinda broke we kinda at least adjusted every every criteria they gave us because we d we still have the the teletext capability in this thing right , we raised the price of it , we've added two t new technology to it . So you know you know if this thing flies then we've we've adjusted or broken every every idea they gave us . 1023.66 1025.15 1027.51 1033.53 IS1002d B MIE029 1 1010.242 1011.616 1010.42 1011.58 Couple innovative ideas . 1011.58 IS1002d A MIE080 0 1019.184 1019.472 1019.2 1019.42 Mm . 1019.42 IS1002d C MIO026 2 1022.88 1023.152 1022.9 1023.09 No . 1023.09 IS1002d B MIE029 1 1023.072 1023.36 1023.1 1023.32 Mm-hmm . 1023.32 IS1002d C MIO026 2 1025.125 1025.743 1025.15 1025.6 Yeah . 1025.6 IS1002d A MIE080 0 1034.115 1043.52 1034.32 1043.52 Not every idea necessarily , it's still a remote control . Uh no yeah but we did we did break with the specs a little bit I guess , but the uh 1035.55 1038.96 1042.61 IS1002d C MIO026 2 1034.161 1035.149 1034.39 1035.05 Basically . 1035.05 IS1002d D MIE083 3 1037.264 1038.992 1037.54 1038.66 Yeah yeah yeah yeah . 1038.66 IS1002d D MIE083 3 1043.856 1049.104 1043.88 1049.06 But I like I mean when I say we have we had I believe we have room for creativity 'cause w this is we did it . 1049.06 IS1002d A MIE080 0 1051.216 1059.68 1051.28 1059.65 'Kay leadership , what do we report back to the bosses ? No th th I think they were r reasonably flexible with us over the whole changing the specs thing . 1052.39 1054.7 1059.65 IS1002d C MIO026 2 1060.624 1066.24 1060.65 1066.16 It was more of a teamwork thing then really leadership based project was - IS1002d B MIE029 1 1060.627 1061.185 1060.74 1061.14 Yep . 1061.14 IS1002d A MIE080 0 1064.72 1065.328 1064.74 1065.29 I agree . 1065.29 IS1002d C MIO026 2 1067.757 1068.591 1067.88 1068.55 Teamwork . 1068.55 IS1002d D MIE083 3 1067.904 1073.12 1067.92 1073.0 Cohesive yeah . Yes synergistic yeah . 1070.91 1073.0 IS1002d A MIE080 0 1069.852 1070.512 1069.91 1070.48 Synergy . 1070.48 IS1002d B MIE029 1 1070.943 1075.024 1070.943 1074.38 There was a lot of synergy . 1074.38 IS1002d A MIE080 0 1072.617 1078.944 1072.617 1078.91 Teamwork , yeah he is uh . 1077.52 1078.91 IS1002d D MIE083 3 1078.143 1078.857 1078.41 1078.82 Yeah . 1078.82 IS1002d A MIE080 0 1080.192 1083.792 1080.24 1083.76 What did we think of the meeting room , I guess is an important thing here . 1082.37 1083.76 IS1002d B MIE029 1 1085.488 1088.464 1085.68 1088.29 These cables suck . 1088.29 IS1002d A MIE080 0 1085.702 1086.15 1085.82 1086.04 Mm . 1086.04 IS1002d A MIE080 0 1087.904 1093.167 1087.92 1093.1 Yeah , this falls off and uh the white board worked really well without any pro 1088.8 IS1002d C MIO026 2 1088.496 1088.864 1088.52 1088.83 Yeah . 1088.83 IS1002d B MIE029 1 1090.032 1090.304 1090.05 1090.27 Yep . 1090.27 IS1002d C MIO026 2 1090.705 1091.385 1090.87 1091.385 And that's - IS1002d B MIE029 1 1092.445 1092.951 1092.47 1092.79 Yeah . 1092.79 IS1002d C MIO026 2 1092.576 1097.184 1092.6 1097.15 D you must have very long shirts . That's way far down lapel mic . 1094.09 1097.15 IS1002d A MIE080 0 1097.872 1101.264 1097.9 1101.16 Mm-mm , lapel . Wha okay , oh , alright . 1098.47 1098.95 1100.23 1100.59 1101.16 IS1002d C MIO026 2 1098.48 1110.326 1098.48 1110.326 Lapel lapel lapel . That's almost a crotch mi cr 1102.42 IS1002d B MIE029 1 1099.248 1099.808 1099.29 1099.77 Lapel . 1099.77 IS1002d A MIE080 0 1104.592 1106.596 1104.61 1106.51 That's it's down , it's quite close . 1105.57 1106.51 IS1002d D MIE083 3 1104.938 1113.472 1104.938 1113.472 You know you know what they're gonna have on the recording in there from that microphone is your lunch digesting you know th - IS1002d A MIE080 0 1107.144 1108.846 1107.31 1108.6 Keep it , keep it calm . 1108.07 1108.6 IS1002d C MIO026 2 1110.544 1120.432 1110.544 1119.92 Oh dear oh dear . 1119.92 IS1002d A MIE080 0 1110.992 1124.946 1110.992 1124.86 Oh dear . No more pizza for me . So yeah the the pen came in alright and it's a little uncomfortable to use but I guess it works . 1117.52 1120.38 1124.86 IS1002d C MIO026 2 1124.56 1127.44 1124.58 1127.44 'Cause this is you were using it o upside down . Still that 1126.71 IS1002d B MIE029 1 1127.552 1133.808 1127.552 1133.48 That's our boss . 1133.48 IS1002d A MIE080 0 1128.186 1149.76 1128.186 1149.67 Nah , I'm I'm not convinced of that at all . I've been wor I've been wondering about that all day , but see these look like they're that looks the oth that looks like it would be that way around , but it feels more comfortable , wh what you call upside-down . I don't care . Uh okay so that data might be slightly invalid . What new ideas have we found ? 1131.19 1133.63 1135.54 1140.86 1141.85 1143.91 1145.14 1148.3 1149.67 IS1002d C MIO026 2 1138.096 1139.184 1138.12 1139.12 Use them like that . 1139.12 IS1002d B MIE029 1 1139.669 1140.448 1139.72 1140.37 Pedro's right . 1140.37 IS1002d B MIE029 1 1142.462 1143.536 1142.54 1143.5 Pedro's right . 1143.5 IS1002d B MIE029 1 1151.904 1152.723 1151.92 1152.61 Oh wel - IS1002d D MIE083 3 1152.032 1157.961 1152.06 1157.87 New ideas f uh for the product or for the the the the environment or what are we ta - IS1002d A MIE080 0 1157.488 1160.592 1157.51 1160.56 Well let's do both then . Uh for the product ? 1159.47 1160.56 IS1002d B MIE029 1 1160.944 1164.128 1160.96 1164.09 Well we had the favourites list , and the scroll bar , and we have the cradle , 1162.3 1163.2 1164.09 IS1002d B MIE029 1 1165.184 1167.6 1165.21 1167.56 and the r uh remote call feature . 1167.56 IS1002d D MIE083 3 1166.236 1167.07 1166.75 1166.9 Oh . 1166.9 IS1002d A MIE080 0 1167.984 1169.478 1168.0 1169.37 Yeah we came up with quite a bit . 1169.37 IS1002d C MIO026 2 1169.182 1170.704 1169.33 1170.67 Bunch of new ideas . 1170.67 IS1002d A MIE080 0 1171.088 1173.36 1171.15 1173.36 And for the meeting room , Has anyone got any more 1172.35 IS1002d C MIO026 2 1174.736 1176.896 1174.78 1176.86 Yeah comfortable headsets would be nice . 1176.86 IS1002d A MIE080 0 1176.88 1178.356 1176.9 1178.3 Yeah less sore on the ears . 1178.3 IS1002d D MIE083 3 1177.008 1198.432 1177.03 1198.37 Well I I mean clearly remote control microphones would be the would be a nice solution to all these cables , but I'm sure that there's there's some justification for these things that I don't know about . And of course I did not have so much fun with my computer this afternoon . It's not been uh it's not been cooperating so well , but I don't think that's the 1185.3 1190.08 1193.21 1196.78 IS1002d C MIO026 2 1177.693 1178.408 1177.93 1178.29 Mm . 1178.29 IS1002d D MIE083 3 1199.936 1200.736 1199.96 1200.7 that's avoidable . 1200.7 IS1002d C MIO026 2 1200.976 1201.632 1201.0 1201.6 Coulda been worse . 1201.6 IS1002d A MIE080 0 1202.32 1203.52 1202.34 1203.52 Okay so - IS1002d A MIE080 0 1204.576 1205.793 1204.6 1205.793 Are the costs within the budget ? 1205.56 IS1002d C MIO026 2 1205.808 1207.424 1205.83 1207.38 Mm n no . 1207.38 IS1002d D MIE083 3 1206.432 1206.752 1206.45 1206.67 No . 1206.67 IS1002d A MIE080 0 1206.72 1214.512 1206.75 1214.48 Nope . Oh hang on it really that's something we that the costs were under twelve fifty Euros . No requirements are changed . We're still under twenty Euros to build , so we're good . 1207.4 1211.5 1212.56 1214.09 1214.48 IS1002d A MIE080 0 1216.032 1228.48 1216.05 1228.16 And the costs within the budget ? Not the original budget , but they are now . Is the project evaluated ? Mm I think so yeah , then celebration as it says . 1219.36 1220.96 1222.41 1223.83 1224.89 1228.16 IS1002d C MIO026 2 1226.192 1230.4 1226.21 1230.37 Hooray . Free coke provided at the cafeteria . 1228.7 1230.37 IS1002d D MIE083 3 1227.584 1228.32 1227.584 1228.23 Okay . 1228.23 IS1002d B MIE029 1 1230.432 1231.381 1230.46 1231.31 All right . 1231.31 IS1002d A MIE080 0 1230.72 1233.008 1230.74 1232.91 Oh I don't know how that got there . Uh anyway . 1232.15 1232.91 IS1002d C MIO026 2 1233.138 1235.568 1233.138 1235.53 Who wrote that one ? 1235.53 IS1002d A MIE080 0 1234.637 1235.689 1234.637 1235.51 Thank - IS1002d D MIE083 3 1237.152 1240.347 1237.2 1240.28 So we need to close this meeting , yeah bravo . Congratulations . 1238.37 1239.35 1240.28 IS1002d A MIE080 0 1237.613 1238.247 1237.67 1238.2 Thanks guys . 1238.2 IS1002d C MIO026 2 1240.256 1241.033 1240.38 1240.86 Cool . 1240.86 IS1002d B MIE029 1 1240.208 1241.536 1240.6 1241.43 Good job guys . 1241.43 IS1002d D MIE083 3 1241.766 1246.986 1241.82 1246.9 S I've got a lot of paperwork to catch up on so let's close this and come back and 'kay . 1246.9 IS1002d A MIE080 0 1245.589 1247.881 1245.7 1247.65 Yeah , I've got a lot of paperwork to catch up on too . 1245.95 1247.65 IS1002d A MIE080 0 1249.462 1250.596 1249.75 1250.19 Oh . 1250.19 IS1003a A FIO017 0 74.956 75.898 75.11 75.73 So we can start ? 75.73 IS1003a D MIO023 3 76.287 76.552 76.31 76.48 Yeah . 76.48 IS1003a A FIO017 0 78.311 84.345 78.41 84.345 Suppose I have to do my presentation . Eh um 81.14 IS1003a C MIO005 2 80.236 80.888 80.26 80.8 Ah okay . 80.8 IS1003a C MIO005 2 83.832 85.256 83.96 84.97 It's Ada Longmund ? 84.97 IS1003a A FIO017 0 85.168 92.208 85.168 92.16 So , I'll present myself , I'm Ada Longmund , and as you may know it , I'm the pr project manager . 85.99 87.09 88.67 90.52 92.16 IS1003a A FIO017 0 94.051 98.757 94.12 98.69 So um we will have to - IS1003a A FIO017 0 101.488 122.655 101.51 122.57 um speak about m the project . Our project project is to create um a new remote control and as you may know there's lot of industrials interesting in creating a remote control , so the remote control has to be original , trendy and um user-friendly . 104.46 116.66 119.52 122.57 IS1003a A FIO017 0 127.789 128.465 127.86 128.22 Record . 128.22 IS1003a A FIO017 0 131.53 133.581 131.55 133.46 So the project method is the following . 133.46 IS1003a A FIO017 0 135.415 156.944 135.44 156.89 So if we're um the functional design , you have to do uh any individual work and uh also work with uh meetings talking with each other . Uh it will be the same for the conceptual design and also the same for the detailed design . 139.0 150.29 156.89 IS1003a A FIO017 0 158.16 159.846 158.18 158.58 Uh . 158.58 IS1003a A FIO017 0 164.375 168.526 164.55 168.526 The tool training is to try out the white board , so 168.06 IS1003a D MIO023 3 167.808 168.278 167.9 168.13 Mm-hmm . 168.13 IS1003a C MIO005 2 168.054 170.256 168.14 170.22 Maybe someone ha we have to this whiteboard , yeah ? 169.99 170.22 IS1003a A FIO017 0 172.001 174.32 172.02 174.27 Maybe you can draw your favourite animal - IS1003a A FIO017 0 175.52 180.352 175.54 180.31 and make a list of its favourite characteristics . 180.31 IS1003a D MIO023 3 176.784 177.845 176.8 177.79 So right now ? 177.79 IS1003a A FIO017 0 181.52 184.182 181.73 184.07 I don't know if we have to do it now , maybe later later . 183.01 184.07 IS1003a B MIO035 1 182.535 185.184 182.61 185.184 So yeah I think you can do it . 185.07 IS1003a C MIO005 2 183.799 184.832 184.04 184.66 Yeah , I don't know . 184.17 184.66 IS1003a A FIO017 0 188.067 200.738 188.09 200.64 So the selling price of the product will be twenty five Euros . Yeah . Yeah . I think it's quite good price , yeah . And uh 193.69 194.65 195.66 198.29 199.67 IS1003a B MIO035 1 192.608 194.56 192.63 194.48 Twenty five Euros ? 194.48 IS1003a D MIO023 3 193.552 194.091 193.58 194.03 Mm . 194.03 IS1003a C MIO005 2 196.292 199.664 196.39 199.62 I it's it's reasonable , s quite yeah . Twenty five . 197.92 199.09 199.62 IS1003a D MIO023 3 198.016 199.44 198.12 199.41 It's reasonable , I think , yeah . 198.76 199.23 199.41 IS1003a C MIO005 2 204.419 204.708 204.45 204.708 Is - IS1003a A FIO017 0 204.458 206.693 204.48 206.59 it will uh be a - IS1003a A FIO017 0 207.728 245.2 207.75 245.07 an international remote control , as we want to sell it in the entire world , and the product costs will be not more than twelve Euros and fifty centimes . So , as you will discuss about the remote control you will have to experience your um with the remote control . Um just uh maybe be imaginative with remote const con controls , try to create something new and people would like to to buy . 210.4 214.29 223.51 225.35 232.74 239.83 245.07 IS1003a A FIO017 0 246.832 251.611 246.85 251.58 And and the next meeting will start in thirty minutes , 251.58 IS1003a A FIO017 0 254.382 279.072 254.4 279.02 so you'll ha all have your spethisfispis specif specific role and you know I suppose you know what you have to do . And uh you will have to work on the design and also to work on the design of th technical fun functions of the remote control and think of the user requirement specifications . 263.49 279.02 IS1003a C MIO005 2 261.872 265.472 261.872 265.472 Yeah . I I hope so 263.78 IS1003a D MIO023 3 279.232 284.912 279.28 284.77 Those things just refer to each of each of us , I think . AMI and okay . 282.68 283.53 284.77 IS1003a B MIO035 1 282.784 283.168 282.87 283.06 Yep . 283.06 IS1003a A FIO017 0 283.152 283.472 283.17 283.42 Yeah . 283.42 IS1003a A FIO017 0 284.832 285.66 284.85 285.59 I_D_ , yeah . 285.34 285.59 IS1003a B MIO035 1 286.064 286.349 286.1 286.28 Yeah . 286.28 IS1003a A FIO017 0 287.205 287.904 287.23 287.904 So - IS1003a C MIO005 2 287.267 289.04 287.4 289.0 I_D_ is for the Industrial Design , yeah ? 288.73 289.0 IS1003a D MIO023 3 289.253 289.68 289.27 289.62 Okay . 289.62 IS1003a C MIO005 2 290.064 294.144 290.08 294.11 And U_I_D_ , it's for the User Interface Designer , yeah ? 290.99 293.85 294.11 IS1003a B MIO035 1 292.597 293.2 292.77 293.15 That's me . 293.15 IS1003a D MIO023 3 293.216 295.088 293.32 295.05 Okay , and Marketing Expert , it's me . 293.61 294.68 295.05 IS1003a C MIO005 2 295.168 296.432 295.24 296.37 AMI yeah project . 296.37 IS1003a A FIO017 0 296.569 298.656 296.6 298.49 So I will manage all all the group . 298.49 IS1003a C MIO005 2 297.856 300.352 297.856 300.27 you will be the manager yeah . 300.27 IS1003a D MIO023 3 298.775 300.567 298.9 300.26 You can manage all this , yeah . 300.04 300.26 IS1003a B MIO035 1 300.976 301.416 301.01 301.38 Okay . 301.38 IS1003a D MIO023 3 301.214 301.479 301.24 301.41 Good . 301.41 IS1003a A FIO017 0 302.325 303.556 302.4 303.52 So you have questions ? 303.52 IS1003a D MIO023 3 306.128 307.6 306.7 307.33 Um . 307.33 IS1003a D MIO023 3 308.8 309.376 308.82 309.34 Not really . 309.34 IS1003a A FIO017 0 309.901 315.024 309.901 314.97 So you all know what the parts of the work you have to do . 314.97 IS1003a B MIO035 1 315.12 315.344 315.14 315.31 Yeah . 315.31 IS1003a D MIO023 3 315.776 318.186 315.81 318.06 So which you , the Industrial Designer . 316.78 318.06 IS1003a B MIO035 1 317.682 321.408 317.93 321.3 No I'm user interf I'm user interface design . 321.3 IS1003a C MIO005 2 318.848 320.687 318.87 320.61 I am the Industrial Design , yeah 320.21 IS1003a D MIO023 3 321.6 321.885 321.62 321.85 Okay . 321.85 IS1003a A FIO017 0 321.76 323.168 321.97 323.05 Mm-hmm . And you ? 322.71 323.05 IS1003a C MIO005 2 323.504 327.12 323.58 326.44 I am the Industrial Designer so . 326.44 IS1003a A FIO017 0 325.696 326.274 325.74 326.2 Mm okay . 326.2 IS1003a B MIO035 1 326.192 328.672 326.21 328.64 Okay . So what's the difference between 327.06 IS1003a D MIO023 3 326.969 327.258 327.05 327.19 Yeah . 327.19 IS1003a B MIO035 1 330.272 335.782 330.29 335.782 user interface design d industrial design ? 335.44 IS1003a A FIO017 0 331.299 332.014 331.64 331.93 Hmm . 331.93 IS1003a D MIO023 3 332.416 334.865 332.44 334.62 I mean , you have to know . Ah , you have to know it . 332.6 333.81 333.98 334.62 IS1003a C MIO005 2 333.845 338.381 333.845 338.381 It's difficult . 338.19 IS1003a D MIO023 3 335.973 338.512 335.99 338.48 It's your job , so I hope you you know what it is . 336.52 338.48 IS1003a C MIO005 2 339.136 340.569 339.16 340.569 You know very soon . 340.04 IS1003a B MIO035 1 340.72 342.788 340.74 342.57 Yeah , I think so . 341.88 342.57 IS1003a C MIO005 2 342.95 343.685 343.05 343.685 So - IS1003a D MIO023 3 343.328 343.6 343.36 343.55 Mm . 343.55 IS1003a A FIO017 0 343.757 349.681 343.91 349.38 I suppose you have to design it and you have to take care of the industrial way to transform it . 349.38 IS1003a B MIO035 1 348.848 356.35 348.87 356.35 Okay , so I make uh u user interface . You you de you implement the core functions in the 349.12 351.74 IS1003a D MIO023 3 349.658 350.14 349.8 350.06 Yeah . 350.06 IS1003a A FIO017 0 353.073 355.696 353.09 355.41 And i maybe you will transform it . 355.41 IS1003a C MIO005 2 355.696 364.305 355.72 364.305 I I think the user the user interface design is he will design how the user will you know the relation between the user and you know the remote control so - IS1003a B MIO035 1 360.832 361.368 360.85 361.3 Use it . 361.3 IS1003a B MIO035 1 362.72 363.922 362.74 363.69 Make make yeah . 363.69 IS1003a C MIO005 2 365.024 368.968 365.32 368.92 And the uh industrial design , it is how the object will look like . 366.93 368.92 IS1003a B MIO035 1 369.424 377.4 369.44 377.24 Maybe I think uh uh i industrial design's uh , it's the function design . I design the user f user interface , you design the function . 373.05 374.55 376.28 377.24 IS1003a C MIO005 2 370.004 372.21 370.02 372.11 Yeah . So the materi 370.75 IS1003a A FIO017 0 378.064 379.92 378.09 379.89 Maybe , it is the outside and the inside . 378.62 379.89 IS1003a B MIO035 1 379.964 380.205 380.02 380.15 Yeah . 380.15 IS1003a D MIO023 3 384.016 384.384 384.04 384.33 Okay . 384.33 IS1003a C MIO005 2 385.68 391.984 385.7 391.95 Okay right . But I was thinking that he's a user 'cause the user interface to design for example where the but button will be , you know . 386.44 391.75 391.95 IS1003a B MIO035 1 385.626 386.182 385.79 386.05 Okay . 386.05 IS1003a B MIO035 1 392.224 392.685 392.24 392.61 Yeah yeah . 392.61 IS1003a C MIO005 2 392.949 394.352 393.06 394.15 But I don't know . Okay . 393.95 394.15 IS1003a D MIO023 3 394.608 395.584 394.87 395.54 Well . You know . 395.16 395.54 IS1003a C MIO005 2 396.48 397.84 396.5 397.81 I'm the industrial designer . 397.81 IS1003a D MIO023 3 397.76 399.056 397.78 399.01 Oh , okay , okay . Not the other one . 397.91 398.13 398.39 399.01 IS1003a C MIO005 2 399.309 399.712 399.34 399.68 So . 399.68 IS1003a B MIO035 1 400.544 400.912 400.56 400.8 Okay . 400.8 IS1003a C MIO005 2 401.008 401.344 401.07 401.29 Okay . 401.29 IS1003a C MIO005 2 402.544 404.672 402.56 404.672 So and the marketing expert will - IS1003a D MIO023 3 405.232 419.568 405.29 419.53 Yeah , I'm just go I'm trying to give you some trends about what should be done and what the users would like to have and then thi this would I guess converged to the User Interface Designer wi and then Industrial Designer . 405.45 419.53 IS1003a A FIO017 0 412.048 413.2 412.07 413.16 And yeah . 413.16 IS1003a C MIO005 2 418.55 419.658 418.79 419.62 Ok Okay . 419.62 IS1003a A FIO017 0 419.728 443.904 419.75 443.79 And when designing y the remote control just remember that uh it has to be a kind of international product . So you don't have to do something really specific , as everybody everybody will have to use it , it's sor the same as keyboards . You know , you have Qwerty , Azerty , French and U_K_ keyboard , so really the remote control to be international . And not too expensive . 426.1 429.86 431.93 433.9 434.22 435.15 435.64 438.0 442.46 443.79 IS1003a B MIO035 1 426.032 426.341 426.05 426.31 Okay . 426.31 IS1003a B MIO035 1 429.36 429.871 429.4 429.77 Mm-hmm . 429.77 IS1003a D MIO023 3 429.857 430.163 430.01 430.13 Mm . 430.13 IS1003a B MIO035 1 433.632 433.919 433.65 433.8 Yeah . 433.8 IS1003a B MIO035 1 436.622 436.935 436.72 436.9 Mm . 436.9 IS1003a B MIO035 1 437.632 437.902 437.65 437.8 Yeah . 437.8 IS1003a B MIO035 1 441.728 442.128 441.78 442.09 Okay . 442.09 IS1003a D MIO023 3 442.175 442.786 442.33 442.7 Mm-hmm . 442.7 IS1003a B MIO035 1 443.952 445.072 443.97 445.02 Yeah . And uh simple . 444.42 445.02 IS1003a A FIO017 0 445.344 448.001 445.36 447.74 As we want to maximise the benefit . 447.74 IS1003a B MIO035 1 446.263 447.509 446.28 447.35 And easy to use . 447.35 IS1003a D MIO023 3 447.511 451.161 447.69 451.13 And you have to keep it under twelve Euros and f fifty , so . 450.94 451.13 IS1003a A FIO017 0 450.384 459.008 450.41 458.88 Yeah , you have to keep in mind that the product cost won't be maxim more than twelve dot fifty Euros . 450.93 458.88 IS1003a B MIO035 1 450.445 451.575 450.71 451.48 Ah , yeah . 451.25 451.48 IS1003a D MIO023 3 452.176 453.229 452.2 453.12 That's the problem . 453.12 IS1003a C MIO005 2 452.576 453.44 452.6 453.44 It should be - IS1003a B MIO035 1 455.075 455.533 455.16 455.5 Okay . 455.5 IS1003a B MIO035 1 458.48 458.848 458.5 458.81 Okay . 458.81 IS1003a A FIO017 0 460.304 471.056 460.32 471.02 And to be sure that really people will be interested in buying a new remote control with maybe new functionalities that don't exist in the mm existing remote controls now . 471.02 IS1003a B MIO035 1 471.216 472.661 471.24 472.661 Okay . 472.41 IS1003a A FIO017 0 473.626 474.99 473.67 474.91 So , is it okay ? 474.31 474.91 IS1003a D MIO023 3 475.776 477.779 475.87 477.31 Mm . It's clear . 476.84 477.31 IS1003a B MIO035 1 476.224 476.416 476.25 476.38 Yeah . 476.38 IS1003a C MIO005 2 481.072 484.544 481.1 484.49 There was a step about drawing something in the in the board , I don't know . 483.96 484.49 IS1003a D MIO023 3 484.576 486.609 484.61 486.45 Yeah , maybe should go and draw an animal . 484.81 486.45 IS1003a C MIO005 2 486.416 488.848 486.68 488.848 Is it ? Are we supposed to do right now ? 487.48 488.8 IS1003a B MIO035 1 488.768 492.045 488.79 492.045 Yeah yeah , you try . Try first . 489.24 490.16 491.57 IS1003a C MIO005 2 490.152 494.096 490.22 494.096 Oh right it's it's from the left to the ri It's - IS1003a A FIO017 0 493.027 495.52 493.12 495.47 So you think we have to do it now ? 495.47 IS1003a C MIO005 2 495.456 499.504 495.48 499.504 I d I was thinking but I n I'm not sure now . 498.48 IS1003a B MIO035 1 500.976 504.766 501.0 504.766 You can draw something which is very simple . 504.57 IS1003a C MIO005 2 504.688 505.23 504.77 505.23 Oh - IS1003a A FIO017 0 504.713 510.416 504.92 509.96 You want me to draw something ? Product manager okay , let's go , I will try . 507.2 508.45 508.96 509.96 IS1003a C MIO005 2 507.056 508.384 507.14 508.384 Everybody - IS1003a B MIO035 1 507.968 512.224 507.99 512.224 Oh , maybe we should bring Kemy here . Kemy is really good at drawing . 508.16 509.83 511.96 IS1003a D MIO023 3 509.845 510.231 509.91 510.231 Many - IS1003a C MIO005 2 511.072 512.976 511.072 512.93 I think everybody should do it , so . 512.63 512.93 IS1003a D MIO023 3 513.2 513.44 513.22 513.39 Yeah . 513.39 IS1003a C MIO005 2 514.08 515.712 514.08 515.712 It's not matter - IS1003a C MIO005 2 518.608 519.072 518.73 518.89 So . 518.89 IS1003a B MIO035 1 522.665 525.776 522.9 525.776 You're going to draw ? 525.49 IS1003a B MIO035 1 527.728 528.204 527.75 528.03 Okay . 528.03 IS1003a D MIO023 3 532.88 534.0 532.92 533.97 Uh it's the same as mine . 533.97 IS1003a C MIO005 2 534.048 538.247 534.048 538.2 yeah . It's a It's a cat . 535.3 538.2 IS1003a B MIO035 1 536.672 537.412 536.69 537.16 What's this ? 537.16 IS1003a B MIO035 1 541.024 543.49 541.05 543.49 It's a fat cat . 543.3 IS1003a C MIO005 2 542.194 544.744 542.194 544.744 It is not a fat cat . 544.49 IS1003a D MIO023 3 548.548 550.096 549.02 549.99 It's the fat cat , okay . 549.65 549.99 IS1003a C MIO005 2 550.384 552.24 550.58 552.24 Yeah , it is a 550.83 IS1003a B MIO035 1 551.232 556.958 551.25 556.76 Can you draw uh um rabbit ? Oh , hat ha rat . 554.45 554.95 556.76 IS1003a D MIO023 3 557.472 559.472 557.49 559.17 A rat ? That's difficult . 558.59 559.17 IS1003a B MIO035 1 557.967 558.353 558.13 558.31 Yeah . 558.31 IS1003a C MIO005 2 559.12 564.64 559.61 564.64 Yes you have to draw a rat if you want a rat . It's your rat . 562.21 564.5 IS1003a A FIO017 0 560.885 565.371 560.93 565.27 No . A mouse is not too difficult . Mouse is okay . 561.4 563.46 565.27 IS1003a B MIO035 1 563.152 565.382 563.152 565.29 Yeah , it's okay . 564.81 565.29 IS1003a D MIO023 3 565.024 565.396 565.09 565.32 Yeah . 565.32 IS1003a D MIO023 3 567.344 569.754 567.36 569.58 Just go , you you the closest to the whiteboard . 567.67 569.58 IS1003a C MIO005 2 568.005 568.805 568.05 568.805 Okay , go 568.4 IS1003a C MIO005 2 569.984 574.896 569.984 574.896 right , but in grow , it's everybody has to grow 570.51 571.16 IS1003a B MIO035 1 570.144 570.336 570.16 570.3 Mm . 570.3 IS1003a D MIO023 3 570.024 570.386 570.18 570.33 Jus - IS1003a B MIO035 1 571.696 572.159 571.79 572.02 Okay . 572.02 IS1003a D MIO023 3 572.56 572.918 572.58 572.83 Yeah . 572.83 IS1003a B MIO035 1 575.886 583.248 575.94 583.21 Oh . Okay , I draw . The only thing I can draw is like this . 578.24 578.83 581.58 583.21 IS1003a B MIO035 1 584.464 585.456 584.53 585.23 Oh . 585.23 IS1003a B MIO035 1 586.56 588.896 586.67 588.85 Oh . Oh . 586.72 588.85 IS1003a D MIO023 3 590.048 590.944 590.24 590.78 A duck . 590.78 IS1003a B MIO035 1 591.584 593.178 591.61 593.01 No . What's this ? 592.47 593.01 IS1003a A FIO017 0 591.861 595.44 591.861 595.28 You love the eyes . 595.28 IS1003a C MIO005 2 592.304 595.584 592.42 595.584 What are you I don no idea , so 594.32 IS1003a A FIO017 0 598.304 599.531 598.39 599.43 Yeah , that was the eyes . 598.71 599.43 IS1003a B MIO035 1 599.808 600.263 599.83 600.13 Okay . 600.13 IS1003a A FIO017 0 601.179 603.12 601.34 603.01 A clown . Rabbit . 602.71 603.01 IS1003a C MIO005 2 603.312 604.208 603.33 604.02 It's a rabbit . 604.02 IS1003a D MIO023 3 605.729 607.696 605.92 607.696 Pikachu . 606.66 IS1003a A FIO017 0 612.608 613.35 612.64 613.22 It's a rabbit . 613.22 IS1003a D MIO023 3 614.496 615.808 615.2 615.6 Oh yeah . 615.6 IS1003a D MIO023 3 617.008 617.92 617.04 617.86 Bugs Bunny one . 617.86 IS1003a A FIO017 0 618.016 618.272 618.04 618.24 Yeah . 618.24 IS1003a B MIO035 1 620.903 622.617 620.903 622.54 Okay . 622.54 IS1003a C MIO005 2 622.656 623.664 622.68 623.61 It's not so bad so . 623.61 IS1003a B MIO035 1 625.296 628.868 625.35 628.868 The only thing I can draw , because it's very simple . 626.47 628.43 IS1003a D MIO023 3 628.023 629.712 628.04 629.68 Okay . I go . 629.4 629.68 IS1003a D MIO023 3 639.376 645.968 639.46 645.968 What ? Oh . So what else ? This was my favourite one , but 641.4 643.51 644.5 645.82 IS1003a C MIO005 2 645.576 647.293 645.576 647.293 So you don't have a - IS1003a A FIO017 0 646.091 649.984 646.091 649.984 Thank you . 649.55 IS1003a C MIO005 2 654.384 654.912 654.4 654.88 A fish . 654.88 IS1003a D MIO023 3 655.904 657.495 655.94 657.46 Right . A fish . 656.32 657.46 IS1003a C MIO005 2 656.576 660.878 656.576 660.84 That's a that's a fish ? Okay , let's try to draw something . 659.3 659.59 660.84 IS1003a A FIO017 0 660.376 661.568 660.52 661.53 You forgot the chips . 661.53 IS1003a D MIO023 3 662.755 666.028 662.79 665.6 Oh yeah , doesn't look so fine . 664.44 665.6 IS1003a C MIO005 2 667.646 669.244 667.77 669.03 Have to be really careful . 669.03 IS1003a A FIO017 0 669.792 673.312 669.81 673.312 Fish and chips . 672.92 IS1003a D MIO023 3 670.928 674.896 670.928 674.66 Okay , it's your turn . 674.18 674.66 IS1003a C MIO005 2 673.744 676.396 673.8 676.36 Ah it's my turn . 676.36 IS1003a B MIO035 1 675.024 675.513 675.05 675.37 Oh . 675.37 IS1003a B MIO035 1 677.231 678.269 677.34 678.23 Okay , be careful . 677.58 678.23 IS1003a C MIO005 2 677.678 678.378 677.9 678.22 Okay . 678.22 IS1003a C MIO005 2 679.193 680.346 679.23 679.88 So . 679.88 IS1003a C MIO005 2 683.152 695.456 683.152 695.33 It's ok So , what can I draw some more ? 692.74 695.33 IS1003a A FIO017 0 687.669 688.496 687.69 688.36 Of - IS1003a B MIO035 1 688.736 689.679 688.76 689.61 No problem , no problem . 689.14 689.61 IS1003a A FIO017 0 703.056 705.264 703.09 705.17 Oh . ? 705.17 705.17 IS1003a C MIO005 2 705.184 706.739 705.184 706.15 ? No . 705.184 706.15 IS1003a C MIO005 2 714.384 715.321 714.42 715.321 Mm - IS1003a B MIO035 1 730.256 733.493 730.256 733.493 . 733.493 IS1003a C MIO005 2 732.304 735.578 733.11 735.51 Yeah , it's it's a se it's my priority this one . 733.27 735.51 IS1003a C MIO005 2 737.098 737.456 737.12 737.3 Yeah . 737.3 IS1003a D MIO023 3 744.512 745.328 744.56 745.28 Mm . 745.28 IS1003a B MIO035 1 746.496 749.57 746.52 749.57 A person ? 749.37 IS1003a C MIO005 2 747.712 748.576 747.712 748.49 No . 748.49 IS1003a C MIO005 2 750.88 752.937 751.04 752.937 It's a really crazy dog - IS1003a A FIO017 0 752.106 754.404 752.106 754.404 Oh yeah . 754.3 IS1003a B MIO035 1 752.336 755.664 752.336 755.664 Dog . 755.46 IS1003a C MIO005 2 756.32 761.216 756.38 761.216 Okay . Transfer . It's a dog in a village . 757.23 757.99 761.04 IS1003a D MIO023 3 756.512 757.328 756.53 756.99 Good . 756.99 IS1003a B MIO035 1 760.24 760.934 760.26 760.76 Okay . 760.76 IS1003a C MIO005 2 772.4 776.432 772.91 776.432 So what are you sug going to do now ? 776.15 IS1003a D MIO023 3 775.664 776.496 775.74 776.46 I think it's done . 776.46 IS1003a A FIO017 0 776.761 778.384 776.81 778.35 Yeah , I think yeah . 777.46 778.35 IS1003a C MIO005 2 776.815 777.387 776.96 777.32 It's done ? 777.32 IS1003a D MIO023 3 777.76 778.208 777.78 778.0 Yeah . 778.0 IS1003a B MIO035 1 778.56 778.944 778.58 778.91 Okay . 778.91 IS1003a A FIO017 0 779.408 780.841 779.67 780.841 Just have to - IS1003a B MIO035 1 781.648 782.744 781.67 782.7 So we have break . 782.7 IS1003a A FIO017 0 781.683 784.752 781.76 784.68 present project , discuss a little bit about it . 783.29 784.68 IS1003a C MIO005 2 784.914 785.949 784.96 785.87 Oh my God . 785.87 IS1003a D MIO023 3 788.64 790.448 788.66 790.41 Oh , we have twenty five minutes for the meeting . 788.82 790.41 IS1003a A FIO017 0 790.976 791.322 791.0 791.22 Yeah . 791.22 IS1003a D MIO023 3 791.552 791.986 791.57 791.91 Okay . 791.91 IS1003a A FIO017 0 792.512 793.915 792.53 793.82 So , if you have questions . 792.78 793.82 IS1003a B MIO035 1 792.624 793.112 792.66 792.97 Oh . 792.97 IS1003a B MIO035 1 794.528 795.36 794.77 795.32 Hmm . 795.32 IS1003a D MIO023 3 795.904 796.736 795.93 796.7 Know what time is it ? 796.7 IS1003a D MIO023 3 801.616 801.936 801.65 801.86 No . 801.86 IS1003a B MIO035 1 802.624 804.448 802.64 804.448 No . 804.3 IS1003a A FIO017 0 804.759 808.493 804.86 808.37 It's okay ? You know your job ? you know your job ? 806.99 807.67 808.37 IS1003a C MIO005 2 805.616 806.24 805.64 806.21 Yeah , it's okay . 805.78 806.21 IS1003a C MIO005 2 808.224 814.741 808.224 814.49 We have an idea yeah . I have an idea of my job so yeah so . Yeah . 810.12 814.32 814.49 IS1003a A FIO017 0 809.023 810.512 809.24 810.29 You know your job ? 810.29 IS1003a A FIO017 0 812.624 813.157 812.75 813.06 Okay . 813.06 IS1003a B MIO035 1 816.416 816.72 816.44 816.69 Okay . 816.69 IS1003a D MIO023 3 819.712 820.096 819.83 819.98 Good . 819.98 IS1003b C FIO017 2 73.402 77.34 73.42 77.17 So , I will open our functional design meeting . 73.76 77.17 IS1003b A MIO023 0 77.616 77.984 77.74 77.83 Mm-hmm . 77.83 IS1003b C FIO017 2 78.824 82.998 78.84 82.86 So , I will play role of the secretary . 80.37 82.86 IS1003b C FIO017 2 83.662 88.288 83.71 88.22 As also Program Ma Manager . So , we will have the three presentations from the 85.45 85.67 IS1003b C FIO017 2 88.818 93.503 88.87 93.38 In Industrial Designer , User Interface Designer and um 91.2 IS1003b B MIO005 1 89.381 90.323 89.51 90.22 Industrial Design . 90.22 IS1003b A MIO023 0 95.135 96.271 95.31 96.24 Marketing Expert . 96.24 IS1003b C FIO017 2 95.152 98.414 95.31 98.414 What's your talk ? Marketing Experts . 96.43 98.1 IS1003b D MIO035 3 95.904 96.274 95.92 96.1 Okay . 96.1 IS1003b A MIO023 0 98.747 99.285 99.03 99.15 Mm . 99.15 IS1003b C FIO017 2 99.296 102.076 99.32 102.04 And after that we uh will have the - IS1003b C FIO017 2 103.331 104.366 103.35 104.04 uh - IS1003b C FIO017 2 105.174 106.764 105.23 106.7 new product requirements , 106.7 IS1003b C FIO017 2 107.728 110.375 107.75 110.28 the decision on the remote control functions , 110.28 IS1003b C FIO017 2 111.099 112.445 111.12 112.27 and we will - IS1003b C FIO017 2 112.87 114.334 112.89 114.17 close the meetings after . 114.17 IS1003b C FIO017 2 115.272 116.711 115.99 116.53 Mm so - IS1003b C FIO017 2 117.492 122.736 117.54 122.67 um I suppose the first to do the presentation will be the User Interface Designer . 122.67 IS1003b D MIO035 3 122.936 123.466 123.05 123.34 Okay . 123.34 IS1003b C FIO017 2 124.609 126.764 124.84 126.57 Um , so you're participant two ? 125.42 126.57 IS1003b B MIO005 1 126.723 127.416 126.75 127.37 One one . 127.37 IS1003b D MIO035 3 128.093 128.528 128.13 128.49 No no no . 128.49 IS1003b C FIO017 2 129.248 129.552 129.27 129.552 No you're - IS1003b D MIO035 3 129.888 130.304 129.96 130.27 One . 130.27 IS1003b C FIO017 2 130.816 134.707 130.84 134.707 No , I'm participant one . 131.0 134.54 IS1003b B MIO005 1 131.456 135.056 131.48 134.8 Three three , it's three sorry . 132.12 134.8 IS1003b D MIO035 3 133.136 135.616 133.16 135.51 I I think I'm a . 135.51 IS1003b C FIO017 2 135.666 136.516 135.73 136.48 Okay , never mind . 136.02 136.48 IS1003b A MIO023 0 137.808 138.176 137.83 138.13 Okay . 138.13 IS1003b C FIO017 2 138.208 140.88 138.23 140.88 'Kay , did you save your presentation ? 138.82 140.75 IS1003b D MIO035 3 140.446 140.925 140.5 140.84 In one . 140.84 IS1003b B MIO005 1 141.021 142.272 141.22 142.03 In one , sorry . 141.68 142.03 IS1003b A MIO023 0 145.458 145.723 145.48 145.62 Yeah . 145.62 IS1003b C FIO017 2 146.162 147.601 146.24 147.53 Isn't that technical functions ? 147.53 IS1003b A MIO023 0 148.306 149.005 148.44 148.8 No sure . 148.8 IS1003b B MIO005 1 153.456 154.64 153.48 154.52 So you didn't save it maybe . 154.52 IS1003b D MIO035 3 156.368 156.752 156.42 156.72 It's mine . 156.72 IS1003b A MIO023 0 156.791 159.296 156.82 159.08 Uh it's David Jordan . Course . 158.95 159.08 IS1003b B MIO005 1 156.814 159.824 156.84 159.824 Alright , so 157.05 IS1003b C FIO017 2 157.6 159.088 157.6 158.95 Name's Jordan . 158.95 IS1003b C FIO017 2 160.992 161.849 161.01 161.77 So - IS1003b B MIO005 1 161.983 164.48 162.11 164.45 David Jordan ? Mm-hmm . 164.18 164.45 IS1003b D MIO035 3 163.087 163.719 163.24 163.51 Mm yeah . 163.51 IS1003b A MIO023 0 164.112 164.496 164.21 164.45 Mm-hmm . 164.45 IS1003b C FIO017 2 165.282 166.267 165.31 166.267 so I'll - IS1003b C FIO017 2 167.12 170.007 167.14 169.95 I let David Jordan do his presentation . 169.95 IS1003b D MIO035 3 170.195 170.792 170.28 170.58 Okay . 170.58 IS1003b A MIO023 0 173.472 174.144 173.5 174.1 No , no . 173.87 174.1 IS1003b A MIO023 0 175.136 178.07 175.3 178.04 Uh this one doesn't want to be moved , I think . 177.72 178.04 IS1003b C FIO017 2 176.789 177.268 177.08 177.17 Uh . 177.17 IS1003b B MIO005 1 177.696 179.456 177.72 179.39 Too great for email then . 179.39 IS1003b D MIO035 3 178.336 179.424 178.36 179.37 Okay , so . 178.9 179.37 IS1003b D MIO035 3 181.152 189.409 181.17 189.28 The first I will present the technical function design for user interface for our uh remote T_V_ control . 189.28 IS1003b B MIO005 1 189.488 189.744 189.55 189.71 Yeah . 189.71 IS1003b D MIO035 3 191.168 198.336 191.2 198.3 Uh I I will focus on user interface design . Um so move to the next slide . As we know our 195.01 197.34 IS1003b C FIO017 2 194.992 195.513 195.28 195.43 Mm . 195.43 IS1003b D MIO035 3 199.536 206.892 199.56 206.83 remote c rem remote T_V_ control it's very has very soph sophisticated functions , as we show from this picture . 205.37 206.83 IS1003b D MIO035 3 207.336 208.648 207.53 208.61 There's a lot of functions . 208.61 IS1003b D MIO035 3 209.52 210.784 209.54 210.75 Over , I think over 210.08 IS1003b D MIO035 3 211.797 217.978 211.93 217.73 s twelve or twenty s functions of a remote T_V_ control . 217.73 IS1003b D MIO035 3 219.376 220.378 219.4 220.27 So how can we - IS1003b D MIO035 3 221.296 227.784 221.32 227.75 um design a user interface with so sa with so many sophisticated functions ? 227.75 IS1003b D MIO035 3 229.147 230.99 229.22 230.89 Um , let's move to next slide . 229.9 230.89 IS1003b D MIO035 3 233.36 234.07 233.38 233.96 Um . 233.96 IS1003b D MIO035 3 235.139 235.501 235.19 235.4 Yeah . 235.4 IS1003b D MIO035 3 236.368 240.737 236.39 240.7 So I so we want to design uh elegant , easy to use inter interface . 239.18 240.7 IS1003b D MIO035 3 241.648 254.415 241.67 254.31 A very good example is Google . As we know uh Google it's a very successful because his um powerful function , but with very easy to use user interface . 243.38 251.34 254.31 IS1003b D MIO035 3 257.072 259.981 257.12 259.91 Um so move to next s slide . 259.91 IS1003b D MIO035 3 262.393 266.5 262.52 266.5 So my job is to uh design a Google T_V_ controller - IS1003b D MIO035 3 267.84 273.874 267.86 273.75 which I want to have sophisticated functions while with very easy to use user interface . 273.75 IS1003b D MIO035 3 276.767 276.984 276.79 276.984 So - IS1003b D MIO035 3 278.048 280.64 278.07 280.6 That's the end of the talk the end of the presentation . 280.6 IS1003b C FIO017 2 281.52 283.751 281.54 283.57 So you propose to to have the - IS1003b D MIO035 3 284.385 284.699 284.41 284.699 Uh - IS1003b C FIO017 2 284.377 287.808 284.52 287.66 remote control which will be powerful . 287.66 IS1003b D MIO035 3 286.816 290.732 286.84 290.63 With sophisticated functions , but with very yeah powerful . 288.82 290.63 IS1003b C FIO017 2 288.991 289.866 289.02 289.74 So powerful , 289.74 IS1003b C FIO017 2 290.624 293.377 290.64 293.33 many functions and very easy to use . 293.33 IS1003b D MIO035 3 291.601 292.036 291.62 291.98 Yes . 291.98 IS1003b D MIO035 3 293.387 293.629 293.41 293.56 Yep . 293.56 IS1003b A MIO023 0 294.436 302.944 294.46 302.944 So , I dunno , it's maybe difficult to have both , I mean the the one on the right doesn't look so simple and 294.86 295.25 298.22 IS1003b B MIO005 1 296.846 298.304 296.96 298.27 To merge the two system huh . 298.27 IS1003b D MIO035 3 299.69 300.016 299.73 299.98 Yeah . 299.98 IS1003b A MIO023 0 304.336 304.56 304.36 304.46 Yeah . 304.46 IS1003b C FIO017 2 305.146 311.391 305.74 311.36 You mean this one ? Yeah you have to learn the manual before using this remote control , I suppose . 307.23 310.87 311.36 IS1003b A MIO023 0 306.704 307.026 306.73 306.94 Yeah . 306.94 IS1003b B MIO005 1 311.662 312.24 311.76 312.21 Mm yep . 312.21 IS1003b B MIO005 1 314.352 315.735 314.43 315.735 But But this is - IS1003b D MIO035 3 314.399 317.872 314.43 317.84 But if we have very very good user interface - IS1003b B MIO005 1 318.207 318.569 318.25 318.52 Yeah . 318.52 IS1003b D MIO035 3 318.632 321.83 318.65 321.77 it take less time for user to learn how to use it . 321.77 IS1003b A MIO023 0 318.656 319.44 318.68 319.44 Yeah , and then 318.99 IS1003b A MIO023 0 319.952 320.331 319.97 320.2 Yeah . 320.2 IS1003b B MIO005 1 322.064 330.352 322.08 330.25 Yeah you maybe you have some international standards , where you know , if you can use one is the other are or almost the same , so the sign . 325.02 325.79 329.52 330.25 IS1003b C FIO017 2 331.899 335.079 331.98 335.02 Oh you mean for the yeah pic pictograms or things like that ? 335.02 IS1003b B MIO005 1 333.421 350.432 333.64 350.432 Yeah , yeah . For example , I dunno here , escape , you know , you have escape in computers you have , so if you see escape , you know that it should be the same . So you have to The sh the user there for example the power off button it is something very international , you know that 334.76 335.4 335.99 336.65 337.2 337.82 339.63 340.82 342.81 349.96 IS1003b A MIO023 0 341.648 343.856 341.67 343.82 Oh it should okay , yeah . The user should know . 342.5 343.03 343.82 IS1003b B MIO005 1 351.338 351.751 351.38 351.66 So . 351.66 IS1003b C FIO017 2 353.104 355.189 353.12 355.189 Yeah um such as maybe the - IS1003b B MIO005 1 354.576 355.348 354.6 355.19 Yeah . So . 354.89 355.19 IS1003b C FIO017 2 356.352 357.808 356.37 357.808 Go on , go back and 357.11 IS1003b B MIO005 1 358.848 362.492 358.87 362.34 Yeah , but the question is how to merge you know the Google system to the system , alright . 358.96 362.14 362.34 IS1003b A MIO023 0 362.864 366.428 362.88 366.428 Yeah , that's gonna be the trick . 363.02 365.77 IS1003b D MIO035 3 362.896 364.764 362.92 364.764 Yeah , that's my job . 363.01 364.02 IS1003b B MIO005 1 364.109 367.223 364.109 367.223 That's your job - IS1003b D MIO035 3 366.405 368.832 366.44 368.6 That's my job . It's not the easiest I've got to . 367.09 368.6 IS1003b B MIO005 1 368.656 370.288 368.68 370.288 It you - IS1003b C FIO017 2 369.681 372.912 370.14 372.83 So , you will propose us something which is 370.73 IS1003b C FIO017 2 373.975 377.347 374.03 377.22 yeah so powerful and easy to use . Okay . 376.84 377.22 IS1003b D MIO035 3 375.993 376.307 376.01 376.23 Yep . 376.23 IS1003b A MIO023 0 376.88 377.216 376.94 377.14 Okay . 377.14 IS1003b D MIO035 3 376.836 378.418 377.14 378.31 Powerful and easy to use . 378.31 IS1003b A MIO023 0 378.251 378.966 378.27 378.87 So that's the point . 378.87 IS1003b D MIO035 3 379.253 380.153 379.31 380.09 Yeah , that's the point . 379.52 380.09 IS1003b C FIO017 2 381.841 387.224 381.86 387.05 So , next I propose the Industrial User Interface to present things . 382.68 387.05 IS1003b B MIO005 1 384.874 386.203 384.89 386.02 Okay , okay . 385.7 386.02 IS1003b C FIO017 2 389.05 389.914 389.1 389.914 So you you're - IS1003b B MIO005 1 390.192 390.976 390.21 390.94 Participant two . 390.94 IS1003b B MIO005 1 392.43 392.688 392.49 392.65 Yeah . 392.65 IS1003b C FIO017 2 398.689 399.72 398.85 399.27 Um . Okay . 399.17 399.27 IS1003b B MIO005 1 402.144 407.424 402.17 407.424 The rationale must be design , or 407.25 IS1003b C FIO017 2 402.412 406.101 402.53 405.85 So , Baba is the uh the Industrial 403.31 IS1003b C FIO017 2 409.559 410.272 409.83 410.23 Designer . 410.23 IS1003b C FIO017 2 410.75 411.378 410.84 411.16 Okay . 411.16 IS1003b B MIO005 1 414.743 421.245 414.85 421.16 So we can move to the next slide . As you all know , you know m my job is to design you know uh 416.6 417.54 IS1003b B MIO005 1 422.208 432.768 422.23 432.69 to give an industrial design of the remote control . So the re basically the remote control will be , you know , infrared control , so the problem is how to relate the 425.38 427.66 427.98 428.97 IS1003b C FIO017 2 429.264 429.568 429.3 429.52 Mm-hmm . 429.52 IS1003b B MIO005 1 434.08 444.246 434.1 444.246 how to relate the remote control device , like for example this one I h I'm holding in my hand and the T_V_ . So , this one is leather bu based but 436.14 440.62 441.11 IS1003b A MIO023 0 443.812 444.102 443.83 444.07 Mm . 444.07 IS1003b B MIO005 1 445.536 462.928 445.56 462.928 I propose a nifra infrared base you know , so so for me I think that it is better it's bet it's better to control T_V_ so you know , so it's it will be cheaper and it is less technology than , you know 450.08 459.02 462.7 IS1003b B MIO005 1 464.192 467.347 464.21 467.347 For the cheap price we have , for the cheap price we want to 465.92 IS1003b A MIO023 0 467.04 467.408 467.13 467.28 True . 467.28 IS1003b C FIO017 2 467.122 469.571 467.14 469.48 So you mean that infrared control is a cheap technology ? 469.48 IS1003b B MIO005 1 469.954 472.153 470.04 472.06 I think it's cheaper than laser , so . 471.34 472.06 IS1003b C FIO017 2 472.088 476.48 472.11 476.44 Yeah . Do y you know the requirements for the remote control ? 472.65 476.44 IS1003b A MIO023 0 472.464 473.103 472.53 473.02 Okay . 473.02 IS1003b C FIO017 2 477.392 480.792 477.41 480.792 Twelve , nearly thirteen , yeah . The cost 478.51 479.71 480.28 IS1003b A MIO023 0 478.272 481.928 478.32 481.84 What the cost is ? Twelve , twelve a half . 480.77 481.04 481.84 IS1003b B MIO005 1 480.272 487.088 480.36 486.87 Yeah , I think for the cost we want for the cost we want it's better to have uh uh 480.49 IS1003b B MIO005 1 488.543 507.712 488.62 507.66 Let's see . Yeah . You can move to the next slide , so . So the di the differen the findings you know what you find inside the re i the the system here inside it is just , you know a bulb and an infrared bulb , so here for example the infrared bulb will be here and the bulb it will be somewhere inside . 489.25 489.63 490.72 491.37 498.33 500.8 507.66 IS1003b C FIO017 2 504.496 504.736 504.52 504.7 Mm-hmm . 504.7 IS1003b A MIO023 0 508.882 512.092 509.07 511.84 That might just So . 511.84 IS1003b B MIO005 1 510.288 512.834 510.32 512.73 You can go to the next slide . I have some kind of pictures 511.24 IS1003b C FIO017 2 510.448 510.859 510.64 510.74 Okay . 510.74 IS1003b B MIO005 1 513.072 513.688 513.09 513.54 you know , here . 513.33 513.54 IS1003b B MIO005 1 515.184 530.038 515.2 529.82 You have the b the bulb , it is a blue the blue stuff here and the infrared and the infrared bulb it is the red stuff you know and so and you have the other subcomponent that are not really here so important , so . 517.7 529.68 529.82 IS1003b C FIO017 2 520.071 520.36 520.11 520.26 Yeah . 520.26 IS1003b C FIO017 2 531.1 532.042 531.19 531.99 What is this ? 531.99 IS1003b B MIO005 1 533.424 538.508 533.44 538.46 This is in fact some other component that are in between the electrical de the electronic device . 538.46 IS1003b C FIO017 2 537.238 537.841 537.64 537.81 Okay . 537.81 IS1003b B MIO005 1 538.66 538.998 538.75 538.88 Look . 538.88 IS1003b B MIO005 1 539.44 544.313 539.46 544.17 But here what I wanted to emphasise it is just you know the bulb and . 544.17 IS1003b C FIO017 2 543.537 544.054 543.6 543.97 Okay . 543.97 IS1003b B MIO005 1 545.104 548.864 545.12 548.864 So and the next slide , it is the last one it's So it's 546.26 IS1003b B MIO005 1 549.984 553.74 550.0 553.74 I think it should be wire wireless re remote con - IS1003b B MIO005 1 554.208 556.658 554.23 556.53 Because you know , it's easier to manage and you know 554.62 IS1003b B MIO005 1 557.264 563.666 557.55 563.43 because you f the b the the battery problem can hold you know will you use a battery or the a wire to connected you . 563.43 IS1003b B MIO005 1 564.688 569.698 564.71 569.62 Or maybe some kind of thing that we can have both , but you know , I at my side prefer a wireless . 567.04 567.97 569.62 IS1003b C FIO017 2 571.616 572.133 571.8 572.04 Okay . 572.04 IS1003b B MIO005 1 572.277 575.736 572.41 575.56 Okay , so if you have some question I didn't answer ? 572.54 575.56 IS1003b A MIO023 0 572.631 573.024 572.75 572.9 Okay . 572.9 IS1003b A MIO023 0 578.019 580.928 578.05 580.88 What's the average price of this technology then ? 580.88 IS1003b B MIO005 1 581.728 590.446 581.75 590.33 Well the avera the average prices I think that this technology will cost , I dunno , around eight Euros , so . Or at least you know , the 586.34 587.24 588.49 589.31 590.06 IS1003b D MIO035 3 592.384 599.091 592.4 599.091 So what , the wireless remote control ? There's a wire with remote control ? 593.3 595.42 598.99 IS1003b B MIO005 1 597.477 618.96 597.477 618.57 You'd yes , you can . It's so so bres you have to decide how how you will you know , put some energy inside , so you can think about wireless or you know it's it's a question that we can raise , so . We can think that you know , with the wire , you know , without a wire . We can have both also . 601.08 601.98 605.75 607.18 612.45 613.51 615.06 615.63 616.52 617.21 618.57 IS1003b D MIO035 3 620.128 620.56 620.15 620.4 Okay . 620.4 IS1003b C FIO017 2 621.595 623.202 621.63 623.06 So you think that uh - IS1003b C FIO017 2 623.758 643.234 623.758 643.17 a cable between the remote control and the T_V_ won't be a good idea . No it wou maybe it will be cheaper I dunno , I just may maybe you making a solu 635.5 639.44 IS1003b D MIO035 3 630.869 631.467 630.94 631.42 Okay . 631.42 IS1003b D MIO035 3 633.504 634.213 633.79 634.13 Okay . 634.13 IS1003b A MIO023 0 642.172 647.499 642.25 647.499 But this is what you would like to ask the user first and I don't think the user would be ready to have a - IS1003b C FIO017 2 647.568 654.654 647.568 654.654 Yeah , but 652.21 IS1003b D MIO035 3 650.928 653.888 650.95 653.54 Wireless remote control . 653.54 IS1003b B MIO005 1 655.305 656.144 655.35 656.02 Yeah , but some pa 655.51 IS1003b A MIO023 0 655.52 659.108 655.54 659.108 I don't think well , yeah , I don't think he would , but in a sense 656.51 656.79 658.24 IS1003b B MIO005 1 657.44 660.65 657.46 660.59 I always want to have you know , sometime I want to have wire because you know . 658.63 660.59 IS1003b C FIO017 2 660.24 675.186 660.31 675.11 Yeah but as Industrial Designer , do you think that it will be feasible to have uh linked or to have link between the remote control and the television ? I'm just asking you . Do you think it will be cheaper ? 662.21 672.48 674.09 675.11 IS1003b B MIO005 1 675.927 678.975 675.96 678.91 Uh , I don't think it will be too much . 676.04 678.91 IS1003b C FIO017 2 681.929 690.892 681.929 690.892 Could you answer please ? 690.78 IS1003b D MIO035 3 681.876 682.482 682.14 682.32 Okay . 682.32 IS1003b B MIO005 1 692.17 698.336 692.46 698.336 Have to think about the question , you know , 'cause it's I think that you know you can always you know 693.79 694.36 IS1003b C FIO017 2 694.662 695.625 694.662 695.59 Okay . 695.59 IS1003b B MIO005 1 700.752 707.145 700.752 707.05 I think wha wha with the wire it's mm cheaper but you know the wireless it's more practical , so . 706.45 707.05 IS1003b C FIO017 2 706.93 716.0 707.13 715.97 Yeah , but I think the wireless problem is more the um David Jordan's problem . As it's yeah . 707.36 714.26 715.97 IS1003b D MIO035 3 712.928 713.357 712.96 713.23 Mm-hmm . 713.23 IS1003b A MIO023 0 714.508 715.12 714.69 715.06 The wire ? 715.06 IS1003b A MIO023 0 716.144 716.43 716.16 716.36 Yeah . 716.36 IS1003b A MIO023 0 716.874 717.152 716.91 717.06 True . 717.06 IS1003b B MIO005 1 717.024 717.931 717.08 717.66 Okay , yeah . 717.46 717.66 IS1003b C FIO017 2 716.998 728.489 717.19 728.15 I think it's more your problem . Mayb maybe you have just to to kind of research or try to ask people if they will like something wireless or not . 718.44 728.15 IS1003b D MIO035 3 722.608 723.152 722.77 723.08 Mm-hmm . 723.08 IS1003b A MIO023 0 727.895 730.32 728.02 730.32 Uh that's my job . That's the 729.37 IS1003b C FIO017 2 729.184 732.304 729.184 732.304 Okay , I'm sorry . So 730.21 731.29 IS1003b A MIO023 0 731.408 732.24 731.44 732.24 Now the - IS1003b B MIO005 1 732.535 743.392 732.56 743.36 Yeah but , it should be an agreement , you know , because even if you can think of the wireless , it is it's it is the job of the the the g Graphical User Designer , but you know . 733.07 734.06 734.29 736.89 742.92 743.36 IS1003b B MIO005 1 744.672 748.864 744.69 748.75 If it is a lot cheaper and if you want to reach for example some - IS1003b B MIO005 1 750.048 758.881 750.13 758.8 the the money you have , if you want to use , so it can be good to have a wireless , it it is a question . Right , so . 751.36 752.88 755.35 757.96 758.33 758.8 IS1003b D MIO035 3 757.312 757.616 757.33 757.58 Okay . 757.58 IS1003b C FIO017 2 757.827 768.576 757.827 768.45 So just think of um the usability . Yeah . Just think of the problem . If when you have wireless remote control and if you lose it ? 762.26 764.13 765.4 768.45 IS1003b D MIO035 3 761.327 765.456 761.48 765.456 Design a wireless remote control . 765.19 IS1003b D MIO035 3 767.776 768.288 768.05 768.24 Yeah . 768.24 IS1003b A MIO023 0 768.895 769.137 768.92 769.08 Yeah . 769.08 IS1003b C FIO017 2 769.68 776.592 769.7 776.4 I think it's would be easier to have a link between the remote control and the television , yeah . 775.88 776.4 IS1003b A MIO023 0 773.6 778.818 773.97 778.64 Well that's actually one of the point , yeah ? True . This you will see in my presentation then . 775.54 776.13 776.62 778.64 IS1003b C FIO017 2 778.8 783.392 778.8 783.26 So I will let you to do your presentation , so . 783.15 783.26 IS1003b A MIO023 0 780.424 780.786 780.53 780.7 Yeah . 780.7 IS1003b B MIO005 1 780.879 782.4 780.9 782.3 Okay . 782.3 IS1003b A MIO023 0 783.404 784.848 783.44 784.81 Which is participant four . 784.81 IS1003b A MIO023 0 791.195 797.911 791.31 797.78 So just trying to answer all the questions , if the user would be happy to have something or something else uh . 793.69 797.78 IS1003b A MIO023 0 798.898 819.399 799.08 819.05 We've made a study , so could you go to next slide . Sorry for the functional recurrence . So that's the standard method for marketing , okay . We had one hundred subjects , um , we observe their remote control use in a lab and then after all the experiments they had to fill up a questionnaire , um , 800.05 802.71 805.64 807.82 808.16 809.96 811.07 818.78 819.05 IS1003b A MIO023 0 820.717 828.821 821.01 828.73 and see what was okay or not for them . Okay . So then it's some statistics about what we observed and what they answered . 823.85 824.98 828.73 IS1003b B MIO005 1 823.075 823.588 823.16 823.39 Mm-hmm . 823.39 IS1003b A MIO023 0 830.046 838.293 830.12 838.293 Um actually seventy five percent of the users find m the most remote controls uh ugly , okay , so that's 836.5 837.51 IS1003b C FIO017 2 837.982 842.422 838.13 842.28 You mean the loo the look , the outside ? Okay . 841.01 841.37 842.28 IS1003b B MIO005 1 840.548 841.895 840.7 841.79 The look , how it look like . 841.06 841.79 IS1003b A MIO023 0 841.443 845.648 841.47 845.6 Yeah , the the look is is bad for them so uh it's your job , David , maybe . 841.93 845.05 845.31 845.6 IS1003b A MIO023 0 846.656 850.121 846.68 850.06 Then eighty percent of users would spend more money um - IS1003b A MIO023 0 851.04 857.391 851.06 857.16 actually if if the remote controls were not so ugly . So this is where we could have uh 854.22 IS1003b A MIO023 0 858.48 862.16 858.5 862.12 yeah , good market , I guess , if people are ready to pay more . 859.08 859.63 860.91 862.12 IS1003b B MIO005 1 860.315 860.711 860.39 860.59 Yeah . 860.59 IS1003b A MIO023 0 862.957 867.616 862.98 867.58 So it's it's interesting information , I think . And then um 865.44 866.43 IS1003b A MIO023 0 870.048 873.44 870.07 873.41 yeah , the remote controls like the one you've shown previously 870.54 IS1003b A MIO023 0 874.592 883.883 874.64 883.8 it's not so doesn't fit the user requirements sometime , because it's too many buttons and so on . So we should change this as well . And uh 878.25 880.64 882.9 IS1003b A MIO023 0 885.696 898.0 885.72 897.92 users are actually zapping a lot , so they're using the device intensively , that's something to take into account as well . And um , you know , ten percent of the buttons are actually used in the remote control . 887.52 890.42 892.65 894.4 894.81 897.92 IS1003b A MIO023 0 898.989 903.994 899.07 903.94 And uh this is one of the main point for me . But I'll come back to it later . 902.11 903.94 IS1003b A MIO023 0 904.308 904.574 904.34 904.5 'Kay . 904.5 IS1003b A MIO023 0 905.056 906.08 905.08 906.04 Could you go next slide ? 906.04 IS1003b A MIO023 0 907.912 913.792 907.94 913.69 Uh , so as you said uh , remote controls are often lost somewhere in the room . 909.63 911.6 913.69 IS1003b C FIO017 2 910.535 911.158 910.63 911.09 Mm-hmm . 911.09 IS1003b A MIO023 0 915.074 921.385 915.09 921.34 So this is from the experiments we've done , so if we could solve this problem this would be interesting for the user , I think . 917.51 920.95 921.34 IS1003b A MIO023 0 922.64 929.921 922.76 929.74 Um it takes too much time to learn how to use the remote control for thirty five percent of the people . 929.74 IS1003b A MIO023 0 931.101 938.439 931.29 938.33 And uh remote control are really bad for R_S_I_ problems for twenty six percent of the users . 938.33 IS1003b C FIO017 2 938.578 939.68 938.66 939.48 What is R_S_I_ ? 939.48 IS1003b A MIO023 0 940.512 957.504 940.53 957.41 R_S_I_ is like , when you're using the same um doing the same movement several times , then you get injured . Okay ? So , those numbers are less important then the previous one , but still it has to be taken to count . So last slide . 941.44 946.56 948.15 949.26 950.42 952.68 956.66 957.41 IS1003b B MIO005 1 945.698 946.548 945.698 946.3 Yeah . 946.3 IS1003b C FIO017 2 946.865 949.238 947.15 949.238 Ah um okay . 949.02 IS1003b A MIO023 0 959.983 986.736 960.0 986.64 Um so my pres personal preferences for this problem is we have to meet the user needs . If we can make it look fancy then we might sell more than our uh concurrent , okay . And definitely if it could have less buttons , still maybe the same number of um functions , but less buttons , this would definitely be a good way of selling more . Okay . 967.23 973.42 974.65 977.67 981.23 983.1 986.5 986.64 IS1003b B MIO005 1 974.004 974.669 974.04 974.52 Okay . 974.52 IS1003b C FIO017 2 973.944 974.516 974.04 974.44 Mm-hmm . 974.44 IS1003b D MIO035 3 980.127 980.786 980.17 980.65 Functions . 980.65 IS1003b B MIO005 1 986.38 986.791 986.49 986.64 Okay . 986.64 IS1003b A MIO023 0 988.012 988.601 988.04 988.601 So - IS1003b C FIO017 2 988.97 989.549 989.04 989.45 Mm okay . 989.45 IS1003b C FIO017 2 991.047 997.413 991.08 997.3 And just to have uh an idea , do you think you as the 995.54 IS1003b C FIO017 2 998.464 1010.643 998.48 1010.57 User Interface Designer to would it be possible to have less buttons and still have the same functionality and to have powerful remote control , you think it's possible ? Sure ? Yeah ? 1006.94 1008.11 1008.53 1010.57 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1001.776 1002.16 1001.96 1002.12 Yeah . 1002.12 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1008.095 1010.699 1008.13 1010.699 Yeah , I think possible . Because we can 1008.25 1009.57 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1011.792 1012.784 1011.81 1012.72 We can uh - IS1003b D MIO035 3 1013.805 1017.23 1013.96 1017.18 mix uh several function in one button . 1017.18 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1017.936 1018.667 1017.96 1018.51 Yeah . 1018.51 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1017.915 1021.984 1018.07 1021.984 So lets you then you have less buttons . But I'm not sure 1020.96 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1020.752 1029.403 1020.77 1029.33 Yeah , but do you think it will be easy to use ? Because if you have many functions just for one button it would be quite difficult for the user to know . 1020.95 1023.23 1029.33 IS1003b A MIO023 0 1029.547 1032.768 1029.58 1032.72 Yeah , remember the user is not happy to read the 1030.03 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1032.937 1034.562 1033.02 1034.562 Yeah , I think the 1033.8 IS1003b B MIO005 1 1033.203 1033.994 1033.43 1033.82 The manuals . 1033.82 IS1003b A MIO023 0 1034.016 1035.186 1034.05 1035.186 manual . It's 1034.78 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1035.28 1038.48 1035.3 1038.45 No you you can have a switch menu , so you can 1037.8 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1039.396 1041.312 1039.43 1041.24 Yeah , but it has to be intuitive . 1039.78 1041.24 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1039.351 1040.4 1039.55 1040.4 well for example - IS1003b D MIO035 3 1042.832 1052.704 1042.85 1052.63 Yeah , I think so . Like for for example you can uh you can category the function i i into several classes . Then 1043.11 1043.95 1052.24 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1053.181 1068.282 1053.2 1067.94 for um you can have a switch menu , so you put the switch menu to it it tend to this kind of this category of functions . Then you you put the switch button , then it 1056.72 1064.03 1067.31 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1057.232 1058.581 1057.25 1058.47 Yeah , okay . 1058.19 1058.47 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1063.693 1064.829 1063.87 1064.829 Okay , but 1064.53 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1068.997 1071.184 1069.02 1071.15 switch to another category of functions . 1071.15 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1072.265 1072.675 1072.29 1072.52 Yeah . 1072.52 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1073.072 1080.194 1073.09 1080.13 For example , if you have remote control you you can rem you can control your T_V_ and also you can control your uh recorder . 1073.71 1080.13 IS1003b B MIO005 1 1080.736 1081.233 1080.79 1081.233 With a - IS1003b D MIO035 3 1080.975 1090.181 1080.99 1090.07 So there's a different functions , but i if you you there's a button you can switch between control T_V_ and control your recorder . 1083.38 1090.07 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1091.298 1105.808 1091.46 1105.71 So we can has less buttons . But what I'm not so sure is about how to make the remote control look funny look fancy , not funny . Because different people have a different opinion about fancy . You know . 1093.52 1099.52 1101.39 1105.52 1105.71 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1093.39 1094.156 1093.48 1094.156 Yeah , but 1093.79 IS1003b B MIO005 1 1098.226 1099.264 1098.54 1099.16 Look fancy . 1099.16 IS1003b B MIO005 1 1100.311 1102.411 1100.44 1102.411 This is a question that should be asked to the - IS1003b B MIO005 1 1105.862 1110.81 1105.9 1110.64 If you ask the people , maybe the the marketing people . 1106.76 1110.64 IS1003b A MIO023 0 1106.007 1106.335 1106.03 1106.18 Yeah . 1106.18 IS1003b A MIO023 0 1110.006 1111.992 1110.06 1111.76 Yeah , this is something we sh 1110.25 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1109.456 1120.848 1110.26 1120.74 Because maybe a colourful is fancy for some people , but maybe simple and uh uniform colourful is fancy for some for other peoples , so . 1113.34 1120.59 1120.74 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1113.867 1114.504 1113.89 1114.31 Mm-hmm . 1114.31 IS1003b A MIO023 0 1116.167 1118.17 1116.24 1118.17 But this was first step and - IS1003b A MIO023 0 1121.52 1122.762 1121.61 1122.72 This was the first step , yeah . 1122.45 1122.72 IS1003b B MIO005 1 1121.402 1127.459 1121.62 1127.459 I think the solution is to have many colours of you know instead of having one grey standard - IS1003b C FIO017 2 1126.445 1131.72 1126.47 1131.59 Yeah , but I think it will increase the price of the production of the remote control . 1126.71 1131.59 IS1003b A MIO023 0 1129.84 1131.069 1129.86 1130.95 Specially distribution , yeah . 1130.76 1130.95 IS1003b B MIO005 1 1131.792 1133.759 1131.86 1133.69 Yeah , yeah , maybe . Yeah , maybe . 1132.31 1132.57 1132.94 1133.57 1133.69 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1133.792 1138.432 1133.81 1138.4 If you need to have special colours for remote controls it will cost more . 1138.4 IS1003b A MIO023 0 1136.64 1137.312 1136.72 1137.312 Uh - IS1003b D MIO035 3 1137.696 1140.003 1137.72 1140.003 Yeah , personalised colour . Because you know 1138.01 1139.25 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1139.495 1141.52 1139.59 1141.48 Yeah , it will cost little bit more . 1140.38 1141.48 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1141.139 1148.231 1141.23 1148.14 Yeah , because maybe some people prefer a red remote control , some people prefer black remote control . 1141.53 1145.93 1148.14 IS1003b B MIO005 1 1145.044 1146.533 1145.18 1146.45 Yeah , yeah , yeah . 1145.76 1146.09 1146.45 IS1003b A MIO023 0 1147.478 1150.816 1147.68 1150.77 Yeah , but this is what we would ask to the users , so . 1147.85 1150.49 1150.77 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1150.934 1152.003 1150.96 1151.9 And also f - IS1003b D MIO035 3 1150.963 1157.416 1151.08 1157.22 Maybe we can have di di we can have uh several options , so user can select which colour they prefer , so . 1153.89 1157.08 1157.22 IS1003b A MIO023 0 1151.932 1152.226 1151.99 1152.15 Yeah . 1152.15 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1157.232 1167.592 1157.25 1167.51 Yeah , but as soon as you speak about options , it means that the price increases , and we don't really want the price to be too too high , because we wanna be able to produce it . 1157.51 1160.47 1162.52 1165.89 1167.51 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1160.096 1160.512 1160.23 1160.48 Mm-hmm . 1160.48 IS1003b A MIO023 0 1160.624 1164.305 1160.7 1164.13 Yeah , remember it's twelve Euros . 1160.89 1164.13 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1168.456 1189.765 1168.48 1189.6 So , we want something fancy , as uh previously said , Florent , something very easy to use , powerful and also as uh it's written here , seventy five percent of users , they zap lot , so maybe just having many functions in one button is not that good if you want to zap a lot . 1168.85 1171.06 1172.7 1174.06 1175.9 1180.4 1182.61 1183.24 1189.6 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1186.32 1186.656 1186.37 1186.62 Mm-hmm . 1186.62 IS1003b A MIO023 0 1190.045 1190.381 1190.12 1190.28 Hmm . 1190.28 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1191.616 1197.177 1191.78 1197.01 And they don't really want to zap between functions of their remote control , they want to zap between channels on T_V_ . 1195.2 1197.01 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1194.992 1195.696 1195.02 1195.64 Mm-hmm . 1195.64 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1197.789 1198.562 1197.81 1198.562 So - IS1003b C FIO017 2 1201.438 1208.027 1201.46 1207.9 I think you have quite lot of points to to think about and to discuss it with uh the other members . 1207.9 IS1003b B MIO005 1 1204.161 1204.523 1204.36 1204.46 Yeah . 1204.46 IS1003b B MIO005 1 1206.051 1206.892 1206.07 1206.74 Yeah , hmm . 1206.38 1206.74 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1206.014 1206.41 1206.07 1206.31 Yeah . 1206.31 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1209.115 1214.288 1209.16 1214.09 So , is it okay for your presentation ? Nothing else to to add ? 1210.24 1212.19 1214.09 IS1003b A MIO023 0 1213.005 1221.631 1213.05 1221.56 Yeah , it's done , just yeah . If we would if we could remember like , not too many buttons and make it look fancy , I think it would make it . 1213.23 1213.93 1214.91 1217.26 1220.51 1221.56 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1220.446 1224.096 1220.64 1224.03 Mm-hmm . Okay . 1221.26 1224.03 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1226.233 1227.083 1226.31 1227.083 Mm so - IS1003b C FIO017 2 1230.46 1232.288 1230.53 1232.13 So , I had some 1231.24 IS1003b A MIO023 0 1230.839 1231.346 1230.89 1231.26 So . 1231.26 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1233.538 1237.76 1233.58 1237.67 new information about the product requirements , so you will have to 1236.33 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1238.583 1253.091 1238.6 1253.091 take care of it of it in your thinking , in your designing of the remote control . So the first one is that um for the designing of the remote control we don't really want to use the teletext anymore , as it's something that's 1241.13 1243.9 1251.59 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1251.248 1251.632 1251.28 1251.56 Mm-hmm . 1251.56 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1254.016 1255.329 1254.04 1255.329 It's is uh - IS1003b A MIO023 0 1256.752 1258.8 1257.32 1258.8 Lame , or 1257.55 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1257.477 1266.133 1257.5 1266.03 No yeah , because now everybody has internet at home , so it's better to use internet then teletext . 1259.07 1262.83 1266.03 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1262.372 1262.843 1262.42 1262.71 Mm-hmm . 1262.71 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1267.872 1268.096 1267.89 1268.06 Yeah . 1268.06 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1269.376 1278.414 1269.47 1278.3 So , you will have to think about it in your in in the design of your remote control , and also the remote control will only be used for television , so 1270.21 1274.73 1277.71 IS1003b B MIO005 1 1274.146 1274.629 1274.19 1274.36 Yep . 1274.36 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1279.42 1300.797 1279.48 1300.72 for y for you your designing , you're not you won't be uh you won't had um buttons to just to manipulate yeah to control the recorder or maybe the garage door or things like that . It's because if we want to 1282.02 1296.82 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1289.925 1290.512 1290.23 1290.47 Control . 1290.47 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1292.699 1293.456 1292.93 1293.42 Mm-hmm . 1293.42 IS1003b A MIO023 0 1297.827 1298.189 1297.97 1298.11 Mm-hmm - IS1003b C FIO017 2 1301.642 1303.104 1301.66 1303.07 to do remote control - IS1003b D MIO035 3 1303.219 1303.698 1303.32 1303.52 Mm . 1303.52 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1303.919 1318.772 1303.94 1318.7 which will be used for for the television , for the recorder , for the camcorder and all the others , it will become too complex and it will increase the pli the price and we can't do that . We really want to focus on the remote control for the television . Is it okay ? 1306.09 1307.19 1309.36 1314.68 1318.24 1318.7 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1318.169 1321.771 1318.5 1321.57 Okay . But there's balance between function and the cost . 1318.92 1321.57 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1320.582 1351.2 1320.67 1351.17 So maybe it will be easier for you to to design it , to have very powerful and easy . And also we want the image of the uh um real reaction be recognisable in the product , such as the colour and s the slogan . I mean that's uh if uh you want to buy a remote control and if you go in a shop and if you see the remote control you will recognise directly that s it's our product . 1324.74 1328.09 1337.16 1339.44 1351.17 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1323.922 1326.152 1324.95 1325.94 Yeah . Okay . 1325.6 1325.94 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1334.414 1335.087 1334.45 1335.01 Mm-hmm . 1335.01 IS1003b A MIO023 0 1338.968 1339.256 1339.13 1339.22 Yeah . 1339.22 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1348.704 1349.072 1348.72 1348.99 Mm-hm . 1348.99 IS1003b A MIO023 0 1352.024 1352.496 1352.04 1352.3 Mm-hmm . 1352.3 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1351.963 1358.108 1352.12 1357.74 So you will have to use the colour of the product , of the um um 1355.66 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1355.23 1355.592 1355.44 1355.54 Okay . 1355.54 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1363.077 1365.483 1363.15 1365.43 of the uh of real reaction - IS1003b D MIO035 3 1365.777 1366.067 1365.8 1366.03 Okay . 1366.03 IS1003b B MIO005 1 1366.186 1366.632 1366.31 1366.4 So . 1366.4 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1366.185 1368.962 1366.32 1368.962 and uh also - IS1003b A MIO023 0 1369.842 1371.087 1369.86 1370.99 So has to be yellow . 1370.99 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1370.809 1380.1 1370.9 1380.05 Yeah . As we say , we put the fashion in electronics , so it has to be a fashion remote control . Fancy , fashion , powerful , easy to use . 1371.69 1372.4 1374.4 1377.37 1377.89 1378.5 1379.17 1380.05 IS1003b B MIO005 1 1371.033 1371.664 1371.09 1371.54 Yellow . 1371.54 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1377.024 1377.481 1377.04 1377.41 Okay . 1377.41 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1380.112 1380.517 1380.15 1380.46 Mm-hmm . 1380.46 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1381.184 1382.976 1381.2 1382.976 Require lot of requirements , but 1382.69 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1382.696 1382.986 1382.83 1382.95 Yeah . 1382.95 IS1003b B MIO005 1 1383.007 1385.565 1383.007 1385.52 For cheap remote control , yeah . 1385.3 1385.52 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1385.088 1387.44 1385.11 1387.41 And cheap . A low cost . 1386.58 1387.41 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1386.464 1387.437 1386.48 1387.2 Yeah . 1387.2 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1388.048 1388.342 1388.08 1388.31 Yeah . 1388.31 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1389.218 1394.364 1389.24 1393.84 But uh that's your your job to find something mm matches . 1393.84 IS1003b B MIO005 1 1390.338 1392.063 1390.338 1391.95 Yeah . 1391.95 IS1003b B MIO005 1 1393.264 1397.664 1393.28 1397.62 Yeah , 'cause what I'm thinking is how will you will connect the T_V_ to internet , so . 1393.7 1397.4 1397.62 IS1003b B MIO005 1 1398.81 1399.66 1399.0 1399.66 This is - IS1003b A MIO023 0 1399.936 1404.822 1399.96 1404.76 I don't think it's part of the remote control design anyway . It's maybe more in browsing . 1402.68 1404.76 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1402.016 1403.487 1402.17 1403.45 Maybe not , but mayb 1402.87 IS1003b B MIO005 1 1405.155 1411.496 1405.35 1411.27 Yeah , but this this mean that your T_V_ would be able to , you know , connect to internet , you know , surf the web . 1405.46 1408.5 1408.78 1409.72 1410.29 1411.27 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1411.264 1421.36 1411.28 1421.32 Yeah , there's that box in uh o of it . A pi There's that box in the T_V_ , so with the set box you you can connect internet with your T_V_ . 1411.49 1414.87 1418.17 1421.32 IS1003b A MIO023 0 1412.446 1412.91 1412.67 1412.85 Yeah . 1412.85 IS1003b B MIO005 1 1422.608 1422.976 1422.63 1422.94 Okay . 1422.94 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1423.904 1424.241 1423.96 1424.1 Ok - IS1003b A MIO023 0 1425.442 1425.804 1425.5 1425.73 Hm-mm . 1425.73 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1426.052 1429.056 1426.08 1429.056 It's It's not so uh popular now . 1428.93 IS1003b B MIO005 1 1428.691 1435.81 1429.25 1435.64 It's pop I don't think it's popular , so that's the problem so . You had i if you are designing a remote control for you know 1430.71 1432.34 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1431.047 1431.274 1431.17 1431.24 Mm . 1431.24 IS1003b B MIO005 1 1436.768 1439.984 1436.79 1439.93 the global usage , so if people don't have the technology . 1437.96 1439.93 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1436.742 1437.968 1436.9 1437.93 Global , okay . 1437.64 1437.93 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1445.491 1446.187 1445.56 1445.93 So . 1445.93 IS1003b A MIO023 0 1459.164 1459.795 1459.57 1459.75 Mm-hmm . 1459.75 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1459.792 1462.05 1459.81 1461.88 So everybody is okay with the new requirements ? 1461.88 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1459.772 1460.512 1459.82 1460.512 So I I so - IS1003b D MIO035 3 1462.008 1465.154 1462.06 1465.08 As as for the colour , what what do you think ? 1464.1 1465.08 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1465.808 1467.105 1465.83 1467.03 I think it has to be yellow . 1467.03 IS1003b B MIO005 1 1467.589 1471.897 1467.589 1471.897 Yellow ? Do you think that people like the colour yellow ? 1468.23 1471.81 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1468.204 1468.92 1468.22 1468.84 Yeah . 1468.84 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1469.04 1473.6 1469.06 1473.6 Yellow ? T_V_ remote control ? 1470.93 1473.46 IS1003b A MIO023 0 1473.204 1473.835 1473.26 1473.62 Min - IS1003b C FIO017 2 1473.233 1479.343 1473.4 1479.31 Maybe you can change the colour , but the image of the society has to be recognised . 1475.39 1479.31 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1475.168 1475.517 1475.2 1475.4 Okay . 1475.4 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1479.456 1479.824 1479.48 1479.77 Okay . 1479.77 IS1003b A MIO023 0 1480.032 1480.24 1480.05 1480.21 Yeah . 1480.21 IS1003b B MIO005 1 1480.493 1490.992 1480.52 1490.95 I think if you have you know th like a yellow ribbon here is the double R_ . Or should be . Yeah , so . Doesn't need to be completely yellow , but just mm . 1485.63 1486.18 1486.45 1487.02 1489.06 1490.95 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1480.72 1481.438 1480.78 1481.438 Why you go - IS1003b C FIO017 2 1485.104 1486.032 1485.12 1486.0 It has to be fashion . 1486.0 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1487.008 1487.468 1487.03 1487.43 Okay . 1487.43 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1487.015 1489.344 1487.13 1489.344 So you have to - IS1003b C FIO017 2 1491.191 1510.373 1491.23 1510.23 Yeah . It has to be a fashion and really be uh the image of the society . Just when you enter you say oh , oh , it's real reaction . Think it's a re reaction remote control , so . And also it has to be attractive , of course , because if you want to sale to sell the remote control . 1491.92 1497.42 1498.86 1499.04 1500.72 1503.7 1504.44 1506.43 1507.05 1510.23 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1501.223 1502.592 1501.25 1502.56 Okay , okay . 1502.32 1502.56 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1503.74 1504.102 1503.82 1504.04 Okay . 1504.04 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1506.48 1506.824 1506.53 1506.7 Mm . 1506.7 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1513.85 1514.494 1513.91 1514.4 It's okay ? 1514.4 IS1003b A MIO023 0 1514.648 1515.936 1514.67 1515.936 Regarding the first line , what 1515.75 IS1003b A MIO023 0 1517.465 1521.176 1517.53 1521.1 So we're just expecting no more use of the teletext . 1521.1 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1521.2 1521.551 1521.24 1521.49 Yeah . 1521.49 IS1003b A MIO023 0 1522.233 1522.74 1522.3 1522.69 And that's it . 1522.69 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1523.299 1523.67 1523.33 1523.58 Yeah . 1523.58 IS1003b B MIO005 1 1526.72 1529.496 1526.79 1529.32 But I dunno , but why , nobody's a threat to me . 1527.56 1528.17 1529.32 IS1003b A MIO023 0 1529.703 1530.898 1529.77 1530.898 It's already changed for - IS1003b C FIO017 2 1531.856 1534.048 1531.88 1533.44 I think it would be simpler . 1533.44 IS1003b A MIO023 0 1533.191 1533.553 1533.23 1533.44 Mm-hmm . 1533.44 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1535.696 1536.412 1535.94 1536.28 Okay . 1536.28 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1539.609 1540.164 1539.66 1540.164 So - IS1003b C FIO017 2 1543.12 1548.953 1543.14 1548.82 I will close the meeting , um just after that we'll have lunch break . 1545.65 1548.82 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1549.758 1553.082 1549.78 1552.96 And you will have in thirty minutes individual work . 1552.96 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1554.336 1554.96 1554.45 1554.96 Uh - IS1003b C FIO017 2 1557.067 1558.295 1557.09 1558.295 Y you - IS1003b C FIO017 2 1560.864 1574.433 1560.88 1574.26 You will have as the I_D_ I don't remember what is industr Industrial Designer to put um pon yeah , and the User Interface Designer to work on the user interface concept . 1569.57 1574.26 IS1003b B MIO005 1 1564.08 1566.368 1564.16 1566.24 Industrial Designer , yeah . 1565.24 1566.24 IS1003b A MIO023 0 1564.141 1565.925 1564.18 1565.88 Industrial Designer . 1565.88 IS1003b B MIO005 1 1567.904 1569.275 1567.92 1569.2 Component component , yeah . 1569.06 1569.2 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1574.704 1574.976 1574.72 1574.94 Okay . 1574.94 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1575.998 1578.531 1576.18 1578.44 And Florent to - IS1003b C FIO017 2 1579.247 1587.898 1579.28 1587.86 work my subject . And so specific instructions will be sent to you by your personal coach . 1582.49 1587.86 IS1003b A MIO023 0 1580.688 1580.954 1580.78 1580.92 Yep . 1580.92 IS1003b A MIO023 0 1588.851 1589.37 1589.0 1589.22 Okay . 1589.22 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1589.696 1593.449 1589.83 1593.31 It's okay ? I think the um session is closed . 1591.1 1593.31 IS1003b A MIO023 0 1590.323 1590.589 1590.34 1590.47 Yeah . 1590.47 IS1003b B MIO005 1 1593.792 1594.042 1593.81 1593.97 Good . 1593.97 IS1003b C FIO017 2 1600.534 1612.543 1600.55 1612.11 And by the way , Mister David Jordan , please record your presentations in your own folder . Not in mine . Should be better . 1601.33 1603.53 1607.39 1611.15 1612.41 IS1003b B MIO005 1 1607.294 1613.488 1607.37 1613.31 Okay Okay , that's clear . 1610.83 1613.31 IS1003b D MIO035 3 1607.312 1610.736 1607.38 1610.56 Okay . Okay . 1609.09 1610.56 IS1003c A FIO017 0 43.28 74.336 43.28 74.336 So let's start our second me meeting on conceptual design . So , as the previous meeting I will be the secretary and we will have three presentations and we'll have to decide on the remote control concept and finally we'll close the decision . So I will first uh 51.29 52.4 69.72 IS1003c D MIO023 3 50.752 51.2 50.91 51.16 Mm-hmm . 51.16 IS1003c B MIO005 1 56.208 56.544 56.25 56.5 Mm-hmm . 56.5 IS1003c D MIO023 3 74.624 76.661 74.96 76.55 No y you do the minutes first , or ? 76.37 76.55 IS1003c A FIO017 0 77.104 77.44 77.21 77.4 What ? 77.4 IS1003c D MIO023 3 78.72 78.992 78.74 78.96 No ? 78.96 IS1003c A FIO017 0 79.568 87.712 79.59 87.61 I I think I will let uh our User Interface Designer speak first , Mister David Jordan . 85.83 87.61 IS1003c D MIO023 3 81.264 81.68 81.4 81.63 Okay . 81.63 IS1003c C MIO035 2 87.776 88.032 87.8 88.0 Yep . 88.0 IS1003c A FIO017 0 88.752 90.204 88.77 90.204 So , we'll 89.12 IS1003c C MIO035 2 93.936 94.214 93.96 94.12 Yeah . 94.12 IS1003c A FIO017 0 93.902 99.008 94.05 98.97 S technical accessoire ? Interface ? 98.38 98.97 IS1003c C MIO035 2 97.632 98.944 97.66 98.91 No no no . Yeah . 98.74 98.91 IS1003c A FIO017 0 100.0 100.604 100.02 100.39 This . 100.39 IS1003c C MIO035 2 100.32 100.56 100.34 100.53 Mm . 100.53 IS1003c C MIO035 2 105.188 118.032 105.24 117.98 So uh first I will present the concept of user interface . Um there's three concepts in the user interface . So first one it's a Google controller . 110.91 115.51 117.98 IS1003c C MIO035 2 119.04 127.456 119.06 127.41 The second is a fancy controller . The last one is uh intelligent controller . So there are three concepts in our controller . 122.29 125.06 127.41 IS1003c C MIO035 2 128.64 144.752 128.66 144.72 Um n next I will explain one by one , the first is Google controller . Um , so I want the controller to be easy to use , but with sophisticated functions . So it's a combination of easy to use and um sophisticated functions . 131.94 134.34 135.35 138.01 140.53 144.72 IS1003c C MIO035 2 146.88 176.16 146.9 176.13 Uh this is a first concept of our controller . The second concept is a fancy controller , um so we want give the customers the impression that our controller is very attractive , um they can easy recognise our controller among a lot of products , so so the u the user f the the u user interface should be very very cute , very very g um 150.85 154.4 160.65 165.59 173.78 IS1003c D MIO023 3 173.76 174.219 173.89 174.16 Mm . 174.16 IS1003c B MIO005 1 173.741 174.369 174.01 174.29 Mm . 174.29 IS1003c B MIO005 1 177.28 178.081 177.33 177.94 A nice one . 177.94 IS1003c C MIO035 2 177.424 182.864 177.45 182.83 attractive . Such like this , there are several uh examples in the slides . 178.72 179.77 182.83 IS1003c A FIO017 0 183.088 189.536 183.088 189.45 I'm not sure the one in the middle is very attractive . It's very big , yeah . 187.83 189.12 189.45 IS1003c C MIO035 2 185.494 188.176 185.494 188.176 Yeah , it's very , you know if you're 186.6 187.29 IS1003c C MIO035 2 189.568 196.112 189.59 196.08 Yeah . It's hard f i it's easy for you to remember it . Or to recognise it , yeah . 190.27 193.53 195.9 196.08 IS1003c A FIO017 0 194.896 202.928 194.896 202.88 Okay . Yeah , why not . We'll have big discussion I suppose after that , so . 197.16 197.47 199.12 202.32 202.88 IS1003c C MIO035 2 197.131 197.372 197.17 197.29 Yeah . 197.29 IS1003c C MIO035 2 198.289 198.651 198.41 198.53 Yeah . 198.53 IS1003c B MIO005 1 199.824 202.519 199.824 202.36 Yeah . Yeah . 202.13 202.36 IS1003c C MIO035 2 201.872 215.328 201.89 215.29 Yeah . So the last uh concept is intelligent . We want uh we want our controller to be smart , so maybe we should uh use um uh 202.83 206.29 211.0 IS1003c D MIO023 3 202.142 202.874 202.32 202.54 Mm . 202.54 IS1003c B MIO005 1 210.336 210.711 210.41 210.68 Mm-hmm . 210.68 IS1003c D MIO023 3 210.252 210.858 210.48 210.67 Mm . 210.67 IS1003c C MIO035 2 216.848 233.472 216.87 233.44 technology , such as speech recognition technology and gesture recognition technology , so we need to have coop some cooperation with some research institute on speech recognition and um gesture recognition . Um 217.51 222.77 233.02 IS1003c C MIO035 2 234.56 238.576 234.58 238.52 With this advanced features we I think we can attract a lot of user . 238.52 IS1003c A FIO017 0 239.056 241.255 239.08 241.22 Okay . Something else ? 240.5 241.22 IS1003c C MIO035 2 240.16 247.36 240.34 247.33 Okay . No . There this is the three concepts of our controller . Yeah . 241.53 242.61 247.16 247.33 IS1003c B MIO005 1 244.863 245.298 244.97 245.13 Yeah . 245.13 IS1003c A FIO017 0 245.823 284.272 245.89 284.24 I just have one question , because for the intelligent controller , you said that we can use the voice recognition or the gesture recognition , but as the um expert told us , most of the people want to use the remote control to zap t to zap between channels . Do you think they will be able to use gestures ? Because , if they do all the time the same gesture , as you said previously in the last meeting , maybe they will get injuries because of that ? or if you say channel three channel three two three four six five , I think they will be bored after a while . You don't think so ? 247.38 249.85 253.28 258.72 265.11 267.84 268.47 270.55 273.63 276.55 280.87 283.54 284.24 IS1003c C MIO035 2 249.456 249.68 249.48 249.65 Yeah . 249.65 IS1003c C MIO035 2 264.896 265.472 265.04 265.472 Yeah , so 265.31 IS1003c C MIO035 2 267.912 268.491 267.93 268.03 Y - IS1003c B MIO005 1 275.392 277.258 275.392 277.06 Yeah . Maybe . 276.74 277.06 IS1003c C MIO035 2 284.688 302.336 284.71 302.29 Uh I think some time it's very uh convenient to use voice interface and gesture interface than use button . For example , if you cannot find your uh controller , you can just uh just just uh speak something such as , yeah , one two . 292.88 293.32 296.45 301.5 301.77 302.29 IS1003c A FIO017 0 291.264 292.098 291.28 291.98 Yeah , sure . 291.51 291.98 IS1003c A FIO017 0 294.864 297.448 295.2 297.448 I That's true . 297.09 IS1003c B MIO005 1 295.163 297.808 295.25 297.64 Oh yeah , that's a good that's a good point , so . 295.86 297.49 297.64 IS1003c B MIO005 1 300.624 301.468 300.73 301.468 One and - IS1003c A FIO017 0 301.28 305.68 301.3 305.63 Yeah , but suppose you got a cold . You have a mute remote controller . 301.55 303.39 305.63 IS1003c C MIO035 2 303.449 303.86 303.47 303.81 Yeah . 303.81 IS1003c D MIO023 3 304.512 304.848 304.57 304.81 Mm . 304.81 IS1003c C MIO035 2 305.856 309.36 305.88 309.36 So you can use your gesture . That's no problem . 307.39 309.03 IS1003c D MIO023 3 308.32 315.744 308.34 315.69 Yeah but how how is how risky is it to trust like speech recognition or gesture recognition ? 315.69 IS1003c A FIO017 0 310.218 311.062 310.38 310.96 Broken arm ? 310.96 IS1003c C MIO035 2 315.776 323.792 315.85 323.792 For limited vocabulary speech recognition is very reliable and for s limited vocabulary gesture recognition is also very - IS1003c D MIO023 3 318.832 320.462 318.85 320.37 Okay . Okay . 320.05 320.37 IS1003c A FIO017 0 323.28 334.656 323.3 334.62 Yeah , but suppose you have a family watching T_V_ , and if they want to use their private remote control in the same time , do you think it will work ? Everybody wanting to change channel in the same time ? 323.59 326.07 330.9 332.01 334.62 IS1003c C MIO035 2 325.792 326.048 325.81 326.0 Yeah . 326.0 IS1003c B MIO005 1 326.592 328.512 326.592 328.512 Yep . 327.91 IS1003c D MIO023 3 333.552 335.968 333.57 335.88 But this this but this would never happen anyway . 335.88 IS1003c C MIO035 2 336.112 338.064 336.15 338.03 Yeah , they cannot speak at the same time . 336.38 338.03 IS1003c A FIO017 0 336.504 336.962 336.55 336.82 Why ? 336.82 IS1003c D MIO023 3 338.15 338.806 338.18 338.806 Yeah - IS1003c A FIO017 0 338.192 348.512 338.21 348.44 If you have one brother and one sister and they want to watch their favourite uh T_V_ programme , so they say oh channel four channel three channel four channel three all the time , so . 343.75 348.14 348.44 IS1003c D MIO023 3 341.376 341.891 341.4 341.891 Yeah , but the 341.55 IS1003c B MIO005 1 346.16 352.466 346.16 352.466 Yeah but Yeah but the same can happen even with it you know this kind of remote control because the - IS1003c C MIO035 2 346.64 349.785 346.66 349.785 Yeah , it's very interesting . 346.84 348.95 IS1003c D MIO023 3 346.814 347.694 346.9 347.694 Yeah but this - IS1003c D MIO023 3 350.368 350.768 350.42 350.72 Yeah . 350.72 IS1003c C MIO035 2 351.648 352.0 351.67 351.95 Yeah . 351.95 IS1003c D MIO023 3 351.92 352.569 351.94 352.569 I don't think it - IS1003c A FIO017 0 351.93 358.161 352.17 357.99 Yeah , but you have the remote control , so maybe you can keep it f with you . You're not you're not obliged to share it . 352.45 353.75 356.29 357.99 IS1003c B MIO005 1 354.416 355.664 354.416 355.61 That's right . 355.61 IS1003c D MIO023 3 357.152 360.638 357.17 360.46 Oh , okay , okay , you mean it could be a problem for this kind of stuff . 357.44 357.67 357.97 360.46 IS1003c A FIO017 0 359.472 360.803 359.49 360.63 Yeah , we can yeah . 359.83 360.63 IS1003c C MIO035 2 360.016 368.96 360.04 368.96 Yeah , that's that's the advantage of intelligent controller . Even you h you have the controller , I can I can say channel three , so it's c come to channel three , I don't have to 360.28 362.82 364.53 366.64 368.1 IS1003c D MIO023 3 363.44 363.632 363.46 363.6 No . 363.6 IS1003c B MIO005 1 363.616 366.032 363.616 366.032 It's it's - IS1003c D MIO023 3 367.232 369.694 367.25 369.44 No , but this is disadvant disadvantage . 367.34 369.44 IS1003c A FIO017 0 368.567 370.416 368.72 370.38 Yeah , I think it's a disadvantage . 368.93 370.38 IS1003c C MIO035 2 370.624 371.663 370.64 371.42 It's advantage . 371.42 IS1003c D MIO023 3 370.65 370.94 370.71 370.91 Yeah . 370.91 IS1003c B MIO005 1 371.328 375.632 371.35 375.52 And mayb maybe we can have the switching mode to pass from you know voice controller to - IS1003c A FIO017 0 375.616 379.264 375.67 379.23 Yeah , but one other question . How how much will it cost ? 375.92 377.34 379.23 IS1003c B MIO005 1 376.552 377.904 376.57 377.85 manual controllers , eh . 377.66 377.85 IS1003c B MIO005 1 379.904 381.184 380.07 381.15 No , more expensive maybe . 380.29 381.15 IS1003c C MIO035 2 380.368 381.164 380.39 380.94 How much ? 380.94 IS1003c A FIO017 0 381.104 385.614 381.12 385.4 Yeah . Because I suppose we need to do research to have something working . 381.59 385.4 IS1003c C MIO035 2 384.752 387.712 384.79 387.712 No no we we d we we just are use um - IS1003c D MIO023 3 386.56 389.328 386.64 389.328 Uh if you if if you use the basic - IS1003c A FIO017 0 387.048 388.24 387.07 388.19 Some some efficient . 388.19 IS1003c C MIO035 2 389.44 397.239 389.5 397.07 No no we just um have some cooperation with some research institute , we don't have to do some basic research on this field . 393.81 397.07 IS1003c A FIO017 0 396.545 398.304 396.65 398.304 So you think it won't cost an - IS1003c A FIO017 0 399.84 400.768 399.86 400.73 Not a lot for us ? 400.73 IS1003c A FIO017 0 401.01 401.42 401.06 401.39 Or ? 401.39 IS1003c C MIO035 2 401.04 404.096 401.06 404.04 Yeah , I think it's uh because uh this technology is uh 401.25 IS1003c C MIO035 2 405.12 410.416 405.15 410.416 um for limited wor or limited wor uh lexical recognition , it's very 409.63 IS1003c A FIO017 0 410.608 411.312 410.63 411.312 Yeah , but uh uh 410.83 IS1003c C MIO035 2 411.408 412.336 411.43 412.29 it's uh yeah . 412.29 IS1003c D MIO023 3 412.56 418.736 412.59 418.736 But it's it's changing how the remote control is gonna be built . Because then you need uh 417.34 IS1003c C MIO035 2 412.803 413.092 412.86 413.092 It's - IS1003c D MIO023 3 419.888 424.608 419.91 424.54 I mean this doesn't have uh the power to do recognition , for example . 424.02 424.54 IS1003c B MIO005 1 424.32 427.744 424.34 427.744 Well y y you have also the language problem , you know when you 427.0 IS1003c C MIO035 2 425.008 425.662 425.04 425.662 No it's uh - IS1003c C MIO035 2 426.448 430.335 426.47 430.335 Even for the f um because the the vocabulary the - IS1003c A FIO017 0 427.819 428.368 427.95 428.33 Mm-mm . 428.33 IS1003c B MIO005 1 428.632 430.816 428.75 430.77 'Cause it it have to be universal , so . 430.51 430.77 IS1003c A FIO017 0 430.704 432.336 430.77 432.336 Yeah . I agree with uh 431.24 IS1003c C MIO035 2 431.293 434.56 431.4 434.53 The vocabulary is very small , so that's not a problem . 432.79 434.53 IS1003c D MIO023 3 432.976 433.248 433.0 433.2 Yeah . 433.2 IS1003c A FIO017 0 433.776 439.808 433.8 439.77 Yeah , but there is one problem that uh Baba talked about is the international 434.07 IS1003c B MIO005 1 436.864 437.444 436.864 437.35 Yeah . 437.35 IS1003c C MIO035 2 437.168 437.424 437.19 437.39 Yeah . 437.39 IS1003c A FIO017 0 440.896 446.576 440.92 446.54 remote control . We need something that is international . Suppose we're we want to sell it in France . 441.62 443.75 446.54 IS1003c C MIO035 2 446.816 447.008 446.84 446.97 Yeah . 446.97 IS1003c A FIO017 0 447.68 454.8 447.7 454.77 The recognition system will be able to understand French . If you want to go to England , it will be able to understand English , so . 450.61 452.81 454.45 454.77 IS1003c C MIO035 2 452.496 452.72 452.52 452.69 Yeah . 452.69 IS1003c C MIO035 2 454.72 465.44 454.74 465.4 Yeah , the key , the key um the key of our the key feature of our controller is that it's it has some some um adaptation 454.95 455.34 IS1003c D MIO023 3 455.904 458.123 455.92 458.123 Yeah , this could be downloaded by the web maybe , or 456.14 457.77 IS1003c B MIO005 1 466.144 468.528 466.16 468.19 Yeah but you know . The product The pro 467.44 IS1003c C MIO035 2 466.126 477.2 466.26 477.17 mechanism . It's It's it means when you when you sell this controller in China it's can recognise Chinese . It's r if you sell this controller in France it can recognise French . 467.56 473.13 477.17 IS1003c B MIO005 1 475.376 479.486 475.376 479.486 It's a very smart , it's a very smart controller maybe 477.31 IS1003c D MIO023 3 477.12 477.504 477.14 477.47 Yeah . 477.47 IS1003c A FIO017 0 477.444 478.384 477.54 478.35 Mm , okay . 477.85 478.35 IS1003c C MIO035 2 478.816 479.606 478.816 479.606 Yeah , it's 479.34 IS1003c A FIO017 0 479.456 482.832 479.48 482.8 And with no increase in the pri production price of the remote control ? 482.8 IS1003c B MIO005 1 481.515 482.617 481.55 482.56 Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah . 482.56 IS1003c C MIO035 2 483.44 487.404 483.46 487.404 Because of this product uh this technology has already been developed . So 487.02 IS1003c B MIO005 1 483.36 484.096 483.54 484.096 But - IS1003c A FIO017 0 486.992 488.445 487.01 488.445 Yeah , but how will you 487.27 IS1003c B MIO005 1 488.016 500.827 488.04 500.64 Yeah but the problem is how to s you know if this is a push button controller , you can send this con this remote control everywhere in the world , the same one . If you have the language , you have to develop for each country . 492.6 496.26 497.41 498.54 500.64 IS1003c C MIO035 2 492.64 492.848 492.66 492.81 Yeah . 492.81 IS1003c C MIO035 2 495.968 496.192 495.99 496.16 Yeah . 496.16 IS1003c D MIO023 3 497.298 497.636 497.37 497.51 Mm . 497.51 IS1003c C MIO035 2 498.989 502.512 499.15 502.47 Oh n Yeah , yeah tha that's why we have to do language adaptation . 499.6 502.47 IS1003c B MIO005 1 502.848 507.728 502.87 507.728 Yeah , but for each country you have to do one , because uh the for example for Se 502.97 505.48 IS1003c C MIO035 2 504.688 504.944 504.71 504.91 Yeah . 504.91 IS1003c C MIO035 2 506.832 513.728 506.87 513.728 Even for each f for even for different family we have to do d yeah we would we have to do adaptation to - IS1003c B MIO005 1 510.432 512.514 510.45 512.514 Oh really ? That's 511.68 IS1003c A FIO017 0 513.433 515.459 513.6 515.32 Oh . Seems to be quite complex . 514.18 515.32 IS1003c D MIO023 3 513.648 514.581 513.67 514.48 Yeah , but then w 513.81 IS1003c D MIO023 3 515.216 518.08 515.24 517.98 Yeah , we have to take care of the twelve Euros 515.56 IS1003c B MIO005 1 515.759 516.387 515.87 516.17 Comple - IS1003c C MIO035 2 515.84 518.608 515.87 518.12 No , it's not so complex . 516.21 518.12 IS1003c D MIO023 3 518.765 519.417 518.83 519.25 problem . 519.25 IS1003c A FIO017 0 518.839 525.792 518.87 525.66 And what about voice recognition , do we have microphones ? And where will be they ? Do you think if we're far from television it will work ? 520.8 522.09 523.22 525.66 IS1003c C MIO035 2 523.44 524.526 523.48 524.526 No no no it's not - IS1003c C MIO035 2 526.896 535.824 526.92 535.79 I think that's n that's not a problem because you you don't have to wear a microphone . It it just the microphone is embedded in the controller . 532.62 535.79 IS1003c A FIO017 0 536.768 538.064 536.79 538.03 Yeah , but where is the controller ? 536.95 538.03 IS1003c D MIO023 3 537.68 538.046 537.7 537.99 Okay . 537.99 IS1003c C MIO035 2 539.552 540.528 539.58 540.49 Where is the controller ? 540.49 IS1003c A FIO017 0 540.928 541.2 540.95 541.17 Yeah . 541.17 IS1003c C MIO035 2 541.696 543.696 541.72 543.696 It's in your family , in your home . 542.52 543.52 IS1003c D MIO023 3 543.616 546.032 543.64 546.032 No , but then it's it's like this uh 543.74 IS1003c A FIO017 0 543.714 550.682 543.81 550.36 Yeah , but we're here it's uh an object . But here you say you want to use i uh s technology . 544.07 547.36 550.36 IS1003c C MIO035 2 547.408 547.6 547.43 547.57 Yeah . 547.57 IS1003c C MIO035 2 549.008 551.936 549.03 551.89 Yeah you can you can embed it uh microphone here . 551.89 IS1003c B MIO005 1 550.688 551.937 550.73 551.76 A microphone maybe . 551.76 IS1003c A FIO017 0 551.92 565.822 551.94 565.79 Yeah , but wha what is the use of voice or gesture recognition if you have a remote control li like this , if you have an object . If you want to use voice or gesture you need to be free , without any object . You just want to interact with television . 552.2 557.44 558.78 562.03 563.34 565.79 IS1003c B MIO005 1 560.992 562.873 561.16 562.81 To talk to the to the T_V_ maybe . 562.81 IS1003c C MIO035 2 564.432 568.08 564.46 567.91 Yeah yeah just you just put the controller here , then you 567.34 IS1003c B MIO005 1 568.752 571.134 568.77 570.85 I if you say one , he switch to channel , yeah . 569.59 570.66 570.85 IS1003c C MIO035 2 569.057 572.016 569.09 571.96 you use your command and you do s your gesture . 571.96 IS1003c A FIO017 0 572.112 573.376 572.13 573.19 Yeah , but you can lose it . 572.3 573.19 IS1003c C MIO035 2 576.253 578.64 576.28 578.64 No no it's n y if you lose it - IS1003c B MIO005 1 579.04 588.246 579.06 588.21 So well for example if it is somewhere in the room if i maybe if it is in the table there you can always say s channel one and the t the remote control gives the order to the T_V_ to switch to channel one . 588.21 IS1003c C MIO035 2 586.928 587.488 586.98 587.36 Yeah . 587.36 IS1003c A FIO017 0 587.744 595.869 587.81 595.83 Okay you so you can build a kind of black box and put it on T_V_ and just to recognize gestures and voice . 595.83 IS1003c B MIO005 1 590.256 590.879 590.28 590.78 Devic - IS1003c D MIO023 3 591.344 591.664 591.36 591.63 Yeah . 591.63 IS1003c B MIO005 1 592.784 593.072 592.84 593.03 Yeah . 593.03 IS1003c B MIO005 1 594.352 594.763 594.45 594.68 Yeah . 594.68 IS1003c B MIO005 1 596.288 601.466 596.31 601.41 Yeah but so you need a camera and you know a microphone inside your remote control . 601.41 IS1003c C MIO035 2 599.408 599.632 599.43 599.6 Yeah . 599.6 IS1003c A FIO017 0 599.632 600.312 599.74 600.11 Ah . 600.11 IS1003c D MIO023 3 601.216 611.424 601.24 611.39 But you would still have the buttons . Or is it do you think it should be only voice recognition and gesture recognition ? Or you you still have the possibility to use buttons ? 602.78 607.79 611.39 IS1003c C MIO035 2 611.712 620.624 611.73 620.57 I think it we should give the uh flexibility to the user and we think yeah . You can see they can switch form one modality to another . 617.83 620.57 IS1003c D MIO023 3 615.68 617.152 615.72 617.12 Okay , so you yeah . 615.99 617.12 IS1003c A FIO017 0 617.072 617.808 617.09 617.808 Yeah , but 617.45 IS1003c A FIO017 0 620.877 621.415 620.95 621.3 Mm . 621.3 IS1003c D MIO023 3 621.072 623.68 621.09 623.64 Yeah , I dunno . It's a bit risky risky . 621.92 622.34 623.64 IS1003c B MIO005 1 623.808 624.112 623.87 624.08 Yeah . 624.08 IS1003c A FIO017 0 624.08 626.128 624.14 626.128 I think so . And maybe it will be quite 624.7 IS1003c C MIO035 2 624.145 626.608 624.17 626.56 No , that's quite inter quite attractive . 624.58 626.56 IS1003c B MIO005 1 626.639 631.685 626.66 631.37 But I think that , you know , switching from one country to to another will be a problem , so although y y 627.51 627.67 630.29 IS1003c C MIO035 2 631.312 636.601 631.33 636.601 Well , if you do language adaptation , there should be no problem . 631.52 633.17 636.25 IS1003c D MIO023 3 634.096 637.168 634.096 637.12 Yeah , I dunno . 636.74 637.12 IS1003c B MIO005 1 635.008 637.156 635.06 637.156 Yeah but i i - IS1003c A FIO017 0 636.064 639.072 636.064 639.072 Okay . 638.91 IS1003c C MIO035 2 643.696 646.928 643.72 646.928 We should have confidence in technology . 646.75 IS1003c B MIO005 1 646.784 649.008 646.784 649.008 Yeah , we should . 647.68 648.65 IS1003c B MIO005 1 649.869 650.304 650.04 650.25 Uh . 650.25 IS1003c A FIO017 0 651.072 656.64 651.31 656.6 Hmm . So , what do you think ? We'll try the controllers you'd prefer . 652.34 653.07 654.03 656.6 IS1003c B MIO005 1 657.888 658.626 657.92 658.57 Mm . 658.57 IS1003c D MIO023 3 658.384 658.624 658.4 658.58 What ? 658.58 IS1003c A FIO017 0 659.04 664.208 659.06 664.17 Which kind of controller would you prefer to use , you as a remote control user ? 662.14 664.17 IS1003c D MIO023 3 662.982 663.73 663.0 663.73 If if - IS1003c D MIO023 3 664.64 673.36 664.85 673.32 I mean , uh I'm sure if the user pays the same price , he's happy to have recognition . But if if if it like doubles uh 665.21 668.26 670.88 IS1003c C MIO035 2 669.447 670.48 669.54 670.44 More features , yeah . 670.24 670.44 IS1003c B MIO005 1 670.8 671.399 671.03 671.399 Yeah , but 671.18 IS1003c B MIO005 1 673.84 677.456 674.02 677.42 I think he need a control that is very reliable , so . 677.03 677.42 IS1003c D MIO023 3 674.4 675.846 674.42 675.63 no one would would be interested . 675.63 IS1003c A FIO017 0 677.872 683.408 677.89 683.37 So I think it would be better not to do any intelligent controller and to stay with the Google controller or a fancy controller . 683.37 IS1003c A FIO017 0 684.448 688.435 684.47 688.27 Maybe try to mix the Google controller and the fancy controller ? Hmm ? 687.75 688.27 IS1003c B MIO005 1 688.213 689.286 688.213 688.97 Yeah . Yeah . 688.73 688.97 IS1003c A FIO017 0 688.944 696.224 689.05 696.18 Just want to have something controller which is in a kind of intelligent controller , easy to use , sophisticated and fancy . 694.25 694.87 696.18 IS1003c C MIO035 2 697.136 699.872 697.16 699.872 Yeah but if if you stick to um - IS1003c A FIO017 0 697.28 698.256 697.3 698.22 You think it's possible ? 698.22 IS1003c C MIO035 2 701.136 715.952 701.19 715.92 stick to the first two parts . So what's the difference between our controller with other products in the market ? There's no k features of our controller , so is there is there any necessary to design new controller without any breakthrough features ? 703.08 707.77 710.07 715.92 IS1003c D MIO023 3 714.147 714.63 714.19 714.49 Yeah . 714.49 IS1003c B MIO005 1 714.192 714.932 714.192 714.87 Yeah . 714.87 IS1003c D MIO023 3 716.576 717.328 716.61 717.328 No , I mean 716.83 IS1003c C MIO035 2 717.248 725.008 717.27 725.008 Would y would you replace your controller with a controller with similar function if you do not have some some function inside it that - IS1003c B MIO005 1 722.51 732.736 722.57 732.736 It's not really the we we can add for example some function like for browsing in internet , so or something like that . But uh I think a user need 728.79 731.13 IS1003c D MIO023 3 722.643 722.979 722.72 722.75 Y - IS1003c C MIO035 2 732.656 741.831 732.68 741.831 Yeah , you y that's a fun that's not the function of the controller , that's a function of T_V_ . You can replace your T_V_ with a new T_V_ with internet browsing function , but 732.98 736.27 737.51 741.38 IS1003c D MIO023 3 740.832 748.192 740.87 748.192 No , but you need you need new remote controller then . Because if you wanna browse internet or , I don't know , if you wanna type something , or 741.06 743.72 745.71 746.29 747.91 IS1003c B MIO005 1 745.342 746.896 745.51 746.896 Don't have a the the - IS1003c C MIO035 2 748.288 748.72 748.32 748.68 Okay . 748.68 IS1003c B MIO005 1 748.688 750.381 748.71 750.34 Yeah if we can send email from it . 750.34 IS1003c C MIO035 2 750.048 755.264 750.07 755.21 But it's not the only the problem only the issue of controller , it's it's also the issue of the T_V_ . 753.21 755.21 IS1003c D MIO023 3 752.336 753.632 752.36 753.6 No . No . 753.41 753.6 IS1003c B MIO005 1 755.568 762.86 755.59 762.86 Because the p the problem I can see with with the voice or the gesture itself wh what can happen in a family i i for example if - IS1003c D MIO023 3 759.904 761.441 760.1 761.34 Cause for example yeah . 761.34 IS1003c C MIO035 2 762.176 790.96 762.2 790.93 Yeah , but we do we do we we we cannot rely one hundred percent on these features to u to use the controller , but with the features of our controller such as you have the feature of voice recognition in your mobile but you seldom use it , your mobile , but you when you choose a new mobile , you choose the one with voice recognition . That's the feature is not one hundred percent reliable , but it's a feature to distinguish our product from our from other products . 762.34 768.41 776.54 777.08 779.95 782.61 785.52 790.93 IS1003c D MIO023 3 766.72 767.008 766.74 766.96 Yeah . 766.96 IS1003c A FIO017 0 768.08 769.256 768.1 769.08 Yeah , but uh we want so 768.4 IS1003c D MIO023 3 779.696 780.802 779.72 780.802 Yeah , you wou you would 779.98 IS1003c D MIO023 3 782.208 782.576 782.28 782.54 True . 782.54 IS1003c A FIO017 0 791.87 799.615 791.89 799.5 Yeah , but w we we want something th that works all the time , every day , every hour , for everyone . 792.09 796.43 797.43 798.63 799.5 IS1003c B MIO005 1 792.064 792.472 792.13 792.472 Yeah - IS1003c C MIO035 2 796.016 796.304 796.04 796.27 Yeah . 796.27 IS1003c C MIO035 2 798.336 798.997 798.36 798.997 Yeah , uh 798.71 IS1003c B MIO005 1 798.67 801.542 798.73 801.32 And for all the person of the family maybe , so , yeah . 801.04 801.17 801.32 IS1003c C MIO035 2 800.72 809.008 800.74 808.97 Yeah , if if if if you're if you ar if you already have a product it works one hundred percent reliable , would you replace it with another one ? 800.94 807.05 808.97 IS1003c A FIO017 0 800.766 802.39 801.03 802.16 You don't need to tune it . 802.16 IS1003c A FIO017 0 809.584 811.813 809.68 811.813 Yeah , why not ? If it's 810.4 811.2 IS1003c D MIO023 3 811.008 816.4 811.14 816.31 I mean , for example the goo y you say we would we would to have a Google-like controller . 811.43 816.31 IS1003c B MIO005 1 812.4 813.184 812.42 813.184 Because you have new - IS1003c C MIO035 2 815.719 816.672 815.8 816.6 Yeah . Yeah . 816.46 816.6 IS1003c D MIO023 3 818.464 825.792 818.48 825.76 I don't see how adding speech or gesture recognition would make the remote control look more like Google . 825.76 IS1003c D MIO023 3 826.8 838.544 826.83 838.45 Google is is simple , works fine , so I I guess if can have a remote control that is really basic , simple and works fine , it's already a lot . 829.55 831.15 835.31 837.46 838.45 IS1003c C MIO035 2 830.352 830.608 830.37 830.55 Yeah . 830.55 IS1003c C MIO035 2 836.64 836.88 836.66 836.83 Yeah . 836.83 IS1003c C MIO035 2 839.696 843.6 839.72 843.54 Oh yes , but there's no big difference between the traditional controller . 840.03 843.54 IS1003c D MIO023 3 840.069 840.876 840.19 840.876 Uh thi this - IS1003c D MIO023 3 844.352 857.49 844.37 857.3 I mean , the user is not only interested in having speech or gesture recognition or if he has something that works fine and is really fancy , looks nice and it's easy easy to use , easy to use . 844.66 852.85 856.68 857.3 IS1003c C MIO035 2 848.384 850.157 848.4 849.83 The then nn no . Tha 849.72 IS1003c A FIO017 0 854.928 856.407 854.95 856.37 Not too expensive too . 856.37 IS1003c C MIO035 2 855.04 864.928 855.06 864.89 But the there's there's n there's n not enough motivation for them to replace their old controller with a new one if there's no key feature in the new controller . That's the same yeah . 863.67 864.89 IS1003c D MIO023 3 860.96 861.97 860.98 861.97 See - IS1003c D MIO023 3 863.136 876.144 863.4 876.1 That's the problem , yeah . I mean , I I know it's more interesting to develop a remote controller with speech and gesture and whatever . But you have to think , the user is the one who gonna buy the product and so . 864.63 865.11 865.39 870.48 871.93 876.1 IS1003c C MIO035 2 870.176 870.416 870.2 870.33 Yeah . 870.33 IS1003c B MIO005 1 870.212 872.65 870.212 872.65 Ye - IS1003c C MIO035 2 875.232 875.472 875.25 875.44 Yeah . 875.44 IS1003c A FIO017 0 877.008 885.568 877.03 885.52 Okay . So let's go to the Industrial Designer . Maybe we'll be able to take a decision after that , so . 877.85 881.58 884.79 885.52 IS1003c D MIO023 3 877.312 878.544 877.33 878.37 I mean , that's the point . 877.76 878.37 IS1003c C MIO035 2 880.624 880.896 880.64 880.86 Okay . 880.86 IS1003c B MIO005 1 880.645 881.072 880.67 881.03 Okay . 881.03 IS1003c B MIO005 1 884.473 884.832 884.49 884.8 Okay . 884.8 IS1003c C MIO035 2 884.463 884.752 884.49 884.63 Yeah . 884.63 IS1003c A FIO017 0 888.923 889.392 889.12 889.35 Two ? 889.35 IS1003c B MIO005 1 889.584 891.424 889.6 891.424 Yeah , participant two um 890.02 IS1003c A FIO017 0 891.696 892.32 891.72 892.2 Working ? 892.2 IS1003c B MIO005 1 892.386 894.016 892.41 893.97 Yeah , working design , so . 892.56 893.55 893.97 IS1003c B MIO005 1 896.0 896.838 896.02 896.76 So - IS1003c B MIO005 1 898.496 898.957 898.52 898.957 I think - IS1003c A FIO017 0 901.159 901.952 901.37 901.952 I can - IS1003c B MIO005 1 901.872 907.936 901.89 907.89 Can you go to the next one ? I uh it's not this one . It's uh oth the oth so I It's the working design . Sorry . 903.32 904.4 907.51 907.89 IS1003c A FIO017 0 904.521 904.951 904.61 904.88 Okay . 904.88 IS1003c B MIO005 1 908.976 915.616 908.976 914.64 Component design . So this yeah so this is the described use What ? 910.48 914.64 IS1003c A FIO017 0 909.343 912.304 909.51 912.304 It's okay - IS1003c B MIO005 1 917.408 918.0 917.45 917.92 Are you inst - IS1003c A FIO017 0 919.376 921.614 919.4 921.614 Uh I think there's something wrong with your - IS1003c C MIO035 2 921.166 923.943 921.35 923.85 It did didn't r receive it . Didn't receive it . 922.83 923.85 IS1003c A FIO017 0 922.736 925.072 922.88 924.99 Maybe you you record it somewhere else . 924.99 IS1003c B MIO005 1 926.032 926.912 926.08 926.86 I don't think so . 926.86 IS1003c C MIO035 2 931.632 932.592 931.65 932.56 Participant one . 932.56 IS1003c C MIO035 2 936.896 937.744 936.92 937.71 Participant one . 937.71 IS1003c A FIO017 0 939.448 940.753 939.51 940.69 Interface concept . 940.69 IS1003c A FIO017 0 941.952 942.224 941.98 942.19 No . 942.19 IS1003c D MIO023 3 943.696 944.208 943.72 944.17 Hmm . 944.17 IS1003c A FIO017 0 946.896 947.632 946.92 947.6 Mm mm . 947.6 IS1003c B MIO005 1 947.552 948.688 947.57 948.65 Oh . 948.65 IS1003c B MIO005 1 951.2 953.872 951.22 953.872 Maybe I record recorded directly on the - IS1003c B MIO005 1 954.96 955.634 954.98 955.57 Computer . 955.57 IS1003c D MIO023 3 956.944 957.264 956.96 957.22 Yeah . 957.22 IS1003c A FIO017 0 959.648 961.448 959.69 961.448 Uh . 961.09 IS1003c D MIO023 3 961.776 962.791 962.35 962.68 Dunno . 962.68 IS1003c A FIO017 0 962.285 967.584 962.4 967.584 Nope . It seems that we have a problem with the 964.99 IS1003c B MIO005 1 964.0 965.168 964.02 965.11 Okay , okay . Yes . 964.55 964.88 965.11 IS1003c D MIO023 3 967.696 970.128 967.72 970.128 I dunno if you remember what you had to say or - IS1003c B MIO005 1 970.272 971.936 970.42 971.82 I can say it to you without . 971.82 IS1003c A FIO017 0 972.464 973.262 972.51 973.262 Yeah , so 972.73 IS1003c C MIO035 2 973.648 975.648 973.67 975.59 Yeah , maybe we can first come to 973.76 IS1003c A FIO017 0 975.984 979.296 976.02 979.296 No , I think it will be more interesting to start with uh 976.15 IS1003c C MIO035 2 976.976 983.09 977.03 982.97 uh to Frahan . With Frahan , then you can prepare your slides , then present it later . 979.25 979.86 981.74 982.97 IS1003c D MIO023 3 979.226 981.664 979.52 981.59 I think it's more interesting what he says , okay . 981.32 981.59 IS1003c A FIO017 0 981.912 982.288 981.99 982.25 Yeah . 982.25 IS1003c B MIO005 1 982.208 983.36 982.208 983.33 Yeah , exac 982.91 IS1003c A FIO017 0 983.584 991.168 983.6 991.13 You will had s some more information in I think it will be interesting after your presentation to have um Baba's presentation . 991.13 IS1003c B MIO005 1 983.601 984.011 983.62 983.85 Okay . 983.85 IS1003c B MIO005 1 987.824 988.307 987.89 988.26 Yeah . 988.26 IS1003c D MIO023 3 988.784 989.76 988.8 989.73 Yeah , true . 989.5 989.73 IS1003c B MIO005 1 990.96 1006.768 990.96 1006.68 Yeah . In fact , I don't know , I s because i in my presentation I don't have here with so It was in fact the design use to show you the design of what is inside a what is inside and what are the different component of the r 992.06 992.65 993.22 IS1003c C MIO035 2 991.392 992.624 991.41 992.624 Okay . 992.22 IS1003c A FIO017 0 992.602 993.037 992.84 993.0 So . 993.0 IS1003c A FIO017 0 993.6 994.172 993.66 994.06 Okay . 994.06 IS1003c A FIO017 0 997.712 998.832 997.73 998.8 Okay , never mind . 998.26 998.8 IS1003c C MIO035 2 1002.848 1003.472 1003.09 1003.42 Okay . 1003.42 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1007.776 1017.552 1007.8 1017.5 of the remote control . So it will be interesting so I could show you some some picture of what is inside and so . 1009.97 1017.5 IS1003c C MIO035 2 1009.632 1010.0 1009.65 1009.89 Okay . 1009.89 IS1003c C MIO035 2 1014.816 1015.2 1014.84 1015.11 Okay . 1015.11 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1018.96 1059.504 1019.0 1059.47 So I in fact the the f something I want to discuss is which kind of material are we going to use , so will it will be wooden wooden di wooden remote control or a a plastic remote control like this one . So and in which which which kind will be the the different bu button , so it can be some , you know , classic pushbutton like this one , or you have also some button like L_C_D_ where you know , the button the buttons are unlighted during the night , or , you know , you can see them in the darkness . And 1025.93 1035.55 1043.36 1045.17 1046.04 1048.57 1052.44 1056.3 1056.5 1056.72 1059.05 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1025.92 1026.367 1025.95 1026.31 Mm-hmm . 1026.31 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1043.04 1043.44 1043.08 1043.37 Mm-hmm . 1043.37 IS1003c C MIO035 2 1052.064 1052.48 1052.11 1052.45 Mm-hmm . 1052.45 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1052.288 1052.655 1052.31 1052.62 Mm-hmm . 1052.62 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1056.992 1057.424 1057.01 1057.37 Okay . 1057.37 IS1003c C MIO035 2 1058.4 1058.8 1058.43 1058.74 Okay . 1058.74 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1060.528 1081.254 1060.64 1081.17 the other thing I want to discuss also is which kind of alimentation , electric alimentation do you want to have , so will it be for example uh d uh solar energy alimentation or will it be a battery like the classical battery so . And I think that for example for the alimentation it would be good to have 1065.04 1067.55 1077.96 IS1003c C MIO035 2 1072.731 1073.312 1072.82 1073.27 Uh-huh . 1073.27 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1082.624 1116.816 1082.68 1116.78 uh both of them , so so for example in some country where you are in the the countryside and you are far from , you know , the cities uh for example in some place in in S Senegal , so if you have electric if you have solar alimentation , you just , when you want to have recharger or remote control power you just put it on the sun and after one hour you can come and so it can be interesting for people to have this kind of remote con It can be something interesting to make people buy it , for example . Yeah . 1084.28 1090.52 1090.91 1095.54 1099.56 1100.55 1115.21 1116.54 1116.78 IS1003c C MIO035 2 1091.904 1092.342 1091.92 1092.24 Mm-hmm . 1092.24 IS1003c C MIO035 2 1098.528 1098.896 1098.56 1098.84 Mm-hmm . 1098.84 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1115.6 1134.176 1115.62 1134.1 Yeah , I think it's an added value to the remote control and maybe it can attract all the ecological k yeah consumers and but about the the price of adding this solar battery , would it be something really that will increase the price of production more , no ? 1115.88 1129.24 1133.89 1134.1 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1118.16 1119.472 1118.19 1119.44 Yeah , yeah mm . 1118.59 1119.44 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1121.68 1124.56 1121.78 1124.49 Ecologists , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah . 1122.32 1122.69 1122.89 1123.9 1124.1 1124.49 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1122.64 1122.88 1122.67 1122.85 Yeah . 1122.85 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1124.064 1124.384 1124.08 1124.29 Yeah . 1124.29 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1134.16 1134.768 1134.21 1134.54 Alrigh - IS1003c B MIO005 1 1135.904 1154.0 1135.92 1153.87 In fact , having them both will if we want to have battery , regular battery and and the solar energy battery it could be it'll it will add a little bit of the price , but it will be an added value also that will be compensated , so hmm . 1136.28 1141.1 1149.44 1152.68 1153.87 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1148.816 1149.408 1148.84 1149.28 So . 1149.28 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1151.472 1151.744 1151.49 1151.71 Yeah . 1151.71 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1152.016 1152.576 1152.14 1152.54 Okay . 1152.54 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1156.512 1158.624 1156.53 1158.56 And what tha what about the uh - IS1003c A FIO017 0 1159.632 1160.479 1159.65 1160.43 materials ? 1160.43 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1160.912 1178.656 1160.93 1178.656 And the materials , it depends for example you if you have a wooden material it can be more the plastic material is more common it's very resistant but , you know , something wooden will be like , I don't know high cl so a special high class , or you know , you can have some 1162.41 1171.76 1171.98 1173.78 1177.1 1178.03 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1169.552 1171.546 1169.71 1171.35 Impersonal , mm-hmm . 1170.99 1171.35 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1174.745 1175.373 1174.79 1175.21 Yeah . 1175.21 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1174.736 1175.616 1174.79 1175.616 Special for - IS1003c D MIO023 3 1177.6 1178.212 1177.64 1177.93 Mm-hmm . 1177.93 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1177.776 1182.464 1177.8 1182.43 Yeah , and i if you we want to put fashion in electronics maybe we can try to do something with wood . 1177.97 1182.43 IS1003c C MIO035 2 1182.885 1183.312 1182.91 1183.28 Mm-hmm . 1183.28 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1182.896 1189.872 1182.92 1189.84 Yeah , even if it is not completely wood , but just a part of the , you know , will be wooden , in wood and it can be interesting . 1183.37 1184.74 1186.11 1186.81 1187.93 1189.84 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1183.208 1183.57 1183.37 1183.52 Yeah . 1183.52 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1186.096 1186.416 1186.12 1186.38 Mm-hmm . 1186.38 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1187.851 1188.213 1188.09 1188.13 Mm . 1188.13 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1190.314 1192.611 1190.39 1192.45 Mm okay , seems to be interesting , mm . 1190.9 1192.25 1192.45 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1191.072 1198.144 1191.09 1198.04 And so the last point is y also would do you want to have some very cheap - IS1003c B MIO005 1 1200.656 1211.168 1200.68 1211.13 integrated cir circuits , chips , or do you have low level or or very very expensive , it depends , but I think that low level will be , you know , it is an interim module . 1202.29 1203.49 1208.0 1208.69 1210.01 1210.21 1211.13 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1211.504 1217.217 1211.52 1217.18 Yeah , we want something easy to use and so I think maybe something very low level wou would be enough . 1211.73 1217.18 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1213.168 1213.392 1213.19 1213.36 Yeah . 1213.36 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1216.035 1217.52 1216.24 1217.47 Yeah . Yeah , yeah . 1216.57 1217.24 1217.47 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1218.304 1219.808 1218.32 1219.808 And you think that we will be - IS1003c B MIO005 1 1220.256 1223.344 1220.28 1223.3 Yeah , I think it will fit on the price we want , twel twelve Euros , so . 1220.42 1221.96 1223.05 1223.3 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1222.029 1222.464 1222.05 1222.42 Okay . 1222.42 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1223.504 1225.92 1223.61 1225.89 So wood . And what about the buttons ? 1224.27 1225.89 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1226.352 1252.144 1226.44 1252.03 I think the buttons I pr I prefer , you know , the L_C_D_ you know lighted buttons because , you know , it's I don't know um yeah , in the dark , it's fashion and it's related to how beautiful it is or uh if you want to watch T_V_ in the darkness or if you want to lo find your find your your remote control that is lost , you know in the darkness it's very easy so , right . 1229.06 1230.22 1234.04 1234.26 1236.2 1236.65 1248.95 1251.92 1252.03 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1235.584 1236.757 1235.61 1236.64 No it's fashion , yeah . 1236.38 1236.64 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1252.816 1259.392 1252.87 1259.21 What about the touch scr touch screen ? For example . It's it's expensive I I guess . 1255.72 1257.08 1259.21 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1259.616 1262.736 1259.616 1262.736 I think a touch screen - IS1003c B MIO005 1 1264.08 1272.992 1264.1 1272.992 will be t as expensive as the L_C_D_ buttons so . But And it is a kind of other design , I mean . It can also be interesting to have this kind of 1267.92 1269.88 1270.81 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1267.36 1267.6 1267.4 1267.55 Mm . 1267.55 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1270.873 1271.211 1270.93 1271.18 Yeah . 1271.18 IS1003c C MIO035 2 1277.793 1279.021 1278.09 1278.95 So you got email ? 1278.95 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1279.696 1290.752 1279.72 1290.72 I dunno . I think we have only uh five minutes left . Participant four ? Functional requirements ? 1281.31 1288.26 1289.66 1290.72 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1286.944 1287.92 1286.96 1287.76 Okay . 1287.76 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1291.168 1292.576 1291.25 1292.45 Uh no , trend watching . 1291.8 1292.45 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1294.012 1295.88 1294.012 1295.88 The other one . 1295.76 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1299.077 1299.556 1299.18 1299.5 This one ? 1299.5 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1300.096 1302.618 1300.12 1302.618 Yeah . Uh , I think so , just 1301.18 1301.5 1302.18 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1304.272 1316.944 1304.29 1316.81 Yeah , so just to meet the user requirements I would just do a s short anal analysis of the remote control market and to kind of um 1304.75 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1318.544 1327.6 1318.95 1327.54 have a better overview of what's the fashion in general I've checked more than only the remote control market , so next . 1326.01 1327.54 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1329.248 1350.272 1329.27 1350.272 So again , it's pretty much similar to what I've said in the previous meeting . Um user really really want a fancy look and feel . They're not so so interested in uh functional look and feel , okay . Like the one you've shown , David , with all the buttons and I mean i i it sounds good technically but it's it's not what they want and uh 1329.97 1333.6 1337.47 1340.79 1341.09 1342.53 1342.93 IS1003c C MIO035 2 1342.8 1343.296 1342.84 1343.25 Mm . 1343.25 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1345.136 1345.595 1345.17 1345.44 Mm . 1345.44 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1351.68 1360.224 1351.7 1360.19 So , second point is they still want it it to be technologically innovative , so maybe it's sort of related to what you've said with the speech recognition and so on . 1352.06 1356.02 1360.19 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1361.152 1361.712 1361.24 1361.68 Okay . 1361.68 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1361.632 1364.72 1361.69 1364.61 At the same time , it's important that it's easy to use . 1362.52 1364.61 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1365.824 1374.192 1365.84 1374.192 So that were the three first points from the remote control uh analysis . Now i if we look at fashion in general um 1371.14 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1375.648 1376.112 1375.74 1376.08 Okay . 1376.08 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1377.92 1393.808 1377.97 1393.77 Wha what we really see this year is that uh everything from clothes to shoes and furniture is is inspired by fruits and vegetables , okay , so I think we really have to take this into account for the design of the the thing . 1387.55 1388.2 1393.77 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1388.0 1388.651 1388.04 1388.5 Ah yes . 1388.5 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1393.36 1394.864 1393.39 1394.83 Yeah , yeah . Okay , yeah . 1393.79 1394.37 1394.66 1394.83 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1395.136 1401.376 1395.16 1401.34 'Cause it's it's really what people want . Even if it's in general fashion , we want it to be in the remote control . 1397.44 1399.18 1401.34 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1402.656 1433.712 1402.68 1433.68 And then uh if if we take the ordering or the ranking of all the points , fancy look and feel has , on a score of seven would have six as importance . Uh the remote control has to be technologically innovative , it's three . Then easy to use uh it's not so important actually with respect to other y other ones . So we see fancy look an look and feel is the most important one , and then if we combine this with the fashion uh from Milan and Paris 1409.39 1411.1 1415.51 1419.07 1419.86 1425.95 1429.12 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1425.008 1425.28 1425.03 1425.25 Okay . 1425.25 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1433.808 1435.44 1433.84 1435.41 And fruit and vegetables yeah . 1435.41 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1435.36 1448.672 1435.38 1448.63 we go to the fruits and vede vegetables . And the other point I haven't mention is people wan want to have a spongy touch , okay so this is this maybe doesn't really fit with the wooden design . 1437.33 1443.75 1448.63 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1442.224 1444.4 1442.224 1444.36 Spongy 'Kay . 1444.36 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1448.8 1449.84 1448.82 1449.75 Okay , yeah , yeah . 1449.08 1449.65 1449.75 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1449.824 1450.272 1449.85 1450.24 I dunno . 1450.24 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1450.848 1455.072 1450.87 1454.83 Yeah , but the problem is which kind of material do you need to to be spongy ? 1450.96 1454.83 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1455.056 1457.696 1455.28 1457.66 Yeah thi this is this would be like um - IS1003c B MIO005 1 1458.16 1458.496 1458.32 1458.46 Pla - IS1003c D MIO023 3 1458.736 1463.568 1458.76 1463.51 plastic-like , but rubber , mayb maybe , you know , rubber-like uh 1459.56 1461.13 1461.64 1461.94 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1458.761 1459.027 1458.78 1458.99 S - IS1003c B MIO005 1 1460.064 1463.612 1460.13 1463.45 Very stuff Okay , rubber rubber desi okay , yeah . Yeah . 1461.38 1462.73 1463.27 1463.45 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1465.024 1466.4 1465.06 1466.37 device , so um 1465.78 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1468.288 1468.544 1468.31 1468.51 Yeah . 1468.51 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1468.512 1471.872 1468.56 1471.84 Okay , tha tha that was the main point , I think , from the trend 1468.77 1470.66 1470.96 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1473.28 1473.84 1473.3 1473.8 in fashion . 1473.8 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1474.624 1474.976 1474.7 1474.93 Okay . 1474.93 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1475.36 1495.84 1475.38 1495.8 So we have to take decisions about the component concepts , about the energy . So , as you say you want something technologically innovative , maybe using solar energy and with battery would be something interesting , maybe will attract 1479.37 1481.24 1482.65 1485.97 1494.39 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1485.776 1486.032 1485.8 1486.0 Yeah . 1486.0 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1487.392 1488.152 1487.46 1488.0 Solar . 1488.0 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1488.944 1490.08 1488.97 1490.08 Yeah , so when I think it's 1489.19 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1489.856 1490.368 1490.05 1490.33 Okay . 1490.33 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1496.368 1496.656 1496.4 1496.62 Mm-hmm . 1496.62 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1496.576 1496.896 1496.62 1496.86 Yeah . 1496.86 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1498.16 1499.024 1498.18 1499.024 It will be a - IS1003c A FIO017 0 1498.944 1512.944 1498.96 1512.89 pro-ecology consumers . Uh cheap imprint so you s you propose low level chips would be uh enough to have something working well . 1503.22 1512.89 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1500.388 1500.87 1500.53 1500.79 Yeah . 1500.79 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1508.176 1509.226 1508.2 1509.226 Yeah , I think 1508.38 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1511.472 1513.28 1511.49 1513.25 Yeah , yeah . Yeah . 1511.85 1513.03 1513.25 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1514.432 1514.96 1514.45 1514.93 Case . 1514.93 IS1003c C MIO035 2 1516.32 1517.504 1516.46 1517.504 Later ? 1516.9 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1522.384 1524.64 1522.44 1524.61 So you think case . 1524.61 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1526.512 1529.36 1526.53 1529.27 Something spongy . Someth no wood . 1528.16 1529.27 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1529.712 1531.847 1529.712 1531.7 No wood but Plastic ? 1531.7 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1530.624 1536.106 1530.64 1535.81 Maybe not no wood , but I mean ma maybe not the part you touching you know . 1531.54 1535.81 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1532.592 1533.216 1532.61 1533.216 Would some - IS1003c C MIO035 2 1534.912 1535.248 1534.93 1535.16 Pla - IS1003c A FIO017 0 1535.552 1536.122 1535.57 1536.122 Maybe you - IS1003c B MIO005 1 1535.732 1540.128 1535.77 1539.99 I think we can have wood for example in the bottom and , you know . It depends on the design we want , so . 1538.16 1538.55 1539.82 1539.99 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1538.033 1539.599 1538.2 1539.43 Yeah , maybe the base . 1538.4 1539.43 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1540.779 1542.224 1540.8 1542.15 It's it's natural . 1542.15 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1540.775 1542.13 1540.85 1541.82 But still y - IS1003c B MIO005 1 1542.304 1544.126 1542.36 1544.0 Yeah , it's natural and i 1542.71 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1542.672 1542.896 1542.69 1542.85 Yeah . 1542.85 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1542.675 1545.584 1542.7 1545.54 Th The feeling is natural , so maybe we can stay with wood . 1544.07 1545.54 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1546.0 1552.724 1546.02 1552.19 And it can be correlated to energy , solar energy , so for the marketing aspect , you know , saying that it's ecol 1547.65 1548.39 1550.29 1550.5 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1550.784 1555.428 1550.8 1555.29 Yeah , I mean it's not exactly right for the spongy point of view . 1551.02 1555.29 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1554.752 1556.224 1554.82 1556.14 Mm , yeah , it's not right , so . 1554.98 1555.24 1555.92 1556.14 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1556.496 1557.76 1556.53 1557.71 But it's still fashion . 1557.71 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1557.792 1563.536 1557.9 1563.5 But we could maybe have both like part of wood and some rubber for the buttons , or I dunno . 1562.05 1563.5 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1562.496 1562.848 1562.52 1562.81 Okay . 1562.81 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1562.868 1565.488 1563.02 1565.45 Yeah , something that you can into it . 1563.22 1565.45 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1564.704 1564.96 1564.75 1564.92 Yeah . 1564.92 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1566.512 1569.456 1566.53 1569.42 Uh and what about the user interface concept ? 1569.42 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1571.166 1572.56 1571.166 1572.56 Google and - IS1003c A FIO017 0 1572.96 1573.936 1572.98 1573.9 Google and fancy ? 1573.9 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1573.856 1577.127 1573.88 1577.127 and fancy , f how about the the voice ? And 1574.51 1576.38 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1576.352 1580.048 1576.38 1580.01 Because I think that with the voice and gesture recognition there are still some - IS1003c A FIO017 0 1581.456 1582.784 1581.48 1582.75 disadvantages with this . 1582.75 IS1003c C MIO035 2 1583.296 1584.145 1583.32 1583.98 Uh yes . 1583.98 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1583.6 1588.88 1583.62 1588.88 Uh maybe we can do some marketing studies asking people if they're interested and how - IS1003c B MIO005 1 1590.4 1596.72 1590.4 1596.56 It It is an an interesting concept to see to have uh voice control . 1596.56 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1594.752 1594.96 1594.77 1594.93 Yeah . 1594.93 IS1003c C MIO035 2 1595.456 1595.648 1595.48 1595.61 Yeah . 1595.61 IS1003c C MIO035 2 1597.248 1600.61 1597.27 1600.61 Yeah . The smart controller . 1598.03 1600.27 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1598.3 1598.614 1598.32 1598.37 Mm . 1598.37 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1599.12 1611.888 1599.15 1611.74 Yeah . But and the problem is I I'm we can infer i if you have v voice control why not to put it directly on the the T_V_ , so speak directly to the T_V_ and you don't need a remote control actually , so . 1599.77 1606.86 1611.55 1611.74 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1612.0 1616.696 1612.0 1616.64 Yeah , but you need a receiver to recognize the gestures and the voice . 1612.52 1616.64 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1616.16 1619.504 1616.18 1619.33 But it will be embedded on the T_V_ and not on the remote control , so . 1619.1 1619.33 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1619.728 1620.526 1619.76 1620.4 That's true . 1620.4 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1619.952 1620.496 1620.05 1620.46 Yeah d - IS1003c C MIO035 2 1621.312 1621.648 1621.36 1621.6 Okay . 1621.6 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1622.016 1622.464 1622.06 1622.43 I dunno . 1622.43 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1622.256 1638.32 1622.28 1638.24 So maybe we'll just focus on the Google controller plus the fancy controller , maybe try to mix them these two concepts together , just in one and do a remote control with solar energy and batteries and with lev low level chips and wood . 1626.12 1629.42 1638.24 IS1003c C MIO035 2 1625.216 1625.792 1625.25 1625.76 Mm . 1625.76 IS1003c C MIO035 2 1633.988 1634.288 1634.1 1634.23 Yeah . 1634.23 IS1003c C MIO035 2 1639.021 1639.551 1639.12 1639.5 It's good . 1639.5 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1640.366 1642.554 1640.39 1642.46 And L_C_D_ buttons . 1642.46 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1643.374 1644.628 1643.44 1644.32 Yeah , L_C_D_ . 1643.82 1644.32 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1658.222 1667.427 1658.24 1667.32 Yeah , I think for these supplements the solar energy would be something quite interesting and not maybe too difficult to add . 1658.43 1667.32 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1666.56 1668.016 1666.58 1667.98 Yeah , yeah , yeah . 1667.05 1667.83 1667.98 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1670.624 1673.84 1670.68 1673.84 And pf what can we think a supplement to - IS1003c D MIO023 3 1675.088 1676.0 1675.11 1675.97 What interface ? 1675.97 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1676.48 1680.861 1676.6 1680.72 Yeah , for the interface something added value . 1676.94 1680.72 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1681.216 1686.256 1681.24 1686.22 I think the supplement can be the voice . It is just , you know , it is not the most important , but 1683.33 1684.12 1684.84 1686.09 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1687.536 1689.142 1687.56 1689.142 it can be a part of - IS1003c A FIO017 0 1690.615 1696.352 1690.64 1696.32 With a module ? You mean the remote control with a mur module if you want you can just use 1691.39 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1695.024 1696.338 1695.04 1696.21 Yeah , yeah . 1695.9 1696.21 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1697.68 1703.097 1697.7 1703.06 commands , words and use them when you don't want to use your fingers . 1698.25 1703.06 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1698.976 1699.686 1699.0 1699.6 Yeah . Mm . 1699.51 1699.6 IS1003c C MIO035 2 1700.8 1701.317 1700.84 1701.28 Mm-hmm . 1701.28 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1702.4 1715.535 1702.42 1715.47 To push button , yeah , yeah . Even it is for s just some kids , you know , switching channels one two three four . Yeah , turning yeah , yeah . Not very complex commands , but easy commands , so . 1703.1 1703.47 1704.14 1706.37 1706.72 1709.97 1710.26 1711.75 1712.35 1713.74 1714.94 1715.47 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1709.056 1711.73 1709.08 1711.69 Turning the T_V_ o on o or off . 1711.69 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1714.819 1717.377 1714.97 1717.34 So , adding some vocal commands . 1715.8 1717.34 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1717.552 1717.872 1717.63 1717.84 Yeah . 1717.84 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1720.611 1721.432 1720.65 1721.4 Simple ones ? 1721.4 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1721.808 1723.056 1721.83 1723.056 Yeah , simple ones for 1722.0 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1724.473 1724.907 1724.55 1724.81 Okay . 1724.81 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1727.635 1738.592 1727.635 1738.55 So the next meeting will start in thirty meeti minutes so we'll you will all have to work in - IS1003c A FIO017 0 1739.904 1776.592 1739.92 1776.56 in your direction . So you will have to work on the look and feel design , to have the easy to use , powerful and fancy remote control with some added value such as the uh simple vocal commands recognition . Uh you will have to work more , Baba , on the um spongy way to to add spongy um touch to the buttons and try to find maybe a nice shape for the wooden remote control . 1743.48 1747.6 1749.56 1759.55 1761.87 1762.26 1776.56 IS1003c C MIO035 2 1747.136 1747.52 1747.16 1747.34 Yeah . 1747.34 IS1003c C MIO035 2 1751.856 1752.048 1751.88 1752.01 Yep . 1752.01 IS1003c C MIO035 2 1758.464 1758.656 1758.48 1758.62 Yeah . 1758.62 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1766.336 1771.232 1766.336 1771.232 expensive buttons Yeah , to make some new 1770.35 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1775.584 1776.736 1775.584 1776.7 Yeah . 1776.7 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1777.712 1782.432 1777.712 1782.38 And I sup I think we'll have to evaluate th the product too . 1782.38 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1781.808 1786.432 1781.88 1786.4 Yeah , no not forgetting about the fruits and vegetables trends . 1782.19 1786.4 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1784.366 1784.921 1784.47 1784.83 Yeah . 1784.83 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1784.96 1785.92 1784.98 1785.89 Okay , fruits . 1785.41 1785.89 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1786.939 1787.408 1786.99 1787.36 Yeah . 1787.36 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1787.488 1788.096 1787.51 1788.06 If possible . 1788.06 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1788.592 1789.056 1788.62 1789.01 Okay . 1789.01 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1789.748 1822.544 1789.81 1822.47 And remember as as I said last meeting , we really have to build a fashion remote control and uh the colour of the um the society will be really it will be seen in the remote control . So you will have Baba and David Jordan you will have to work together on the prototype and you will have next time to show us um modelling a cl a clay remote control , so you will have to model model something . 1793.7 1807.23 1820.34 1822.47 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1803.392 1804.208 1803.43 1804.16 Need it to be , okay . 1803.9 1804.16 IS1003c C MIO035 2 1812.832 1813.04 1812.85 1813.01 Yeah . 1813.01 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1820.176 1821.003 1820.176 1820.65 Okay . 1820.65 IS1003c C MIO035 2 1820.217 1822.558 1820.34 1822.44 Okay . Yep 1822.3 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1823.76 1829.136 1823.78 1829.1 And I think that some specific instructions will be sent to you by your personal coach . 1829.1 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1829.584 1829.92 1829.6 1829.89 Okay . 1829.89 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1830.144 1832.96 1830.18 1832.91 So , no more questions , we can close the session . 1830.83 1831.72 1832.91 IS1003c C MIO035 2 1830.136 1830.764 1830.25 1830.66 Okay . 1830.66 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1833.328 1833.696 1833.35 1833.65 Hmm . 1833.65 IS1003c B MIO005 1 1833.712 1835.041 1833.73 1834.82 Sounds good , mm-hmm . 1834.33 1834.82 IS1003c D MIO023 3 1834.444 1835.048 1834.5 1834.81 Okay . 1834.81 IS1003c A FIO017 0 1834.576 1836.648 1834.6 1836.57 Yeah . Okay , cool . 1835.63 1836.09 1836.57 IS1003c C MIO035 2 1835.088 1835.392 1835.11 1835.35 Okay . 1835.35 IS1003d B MIO005 1 35.744 39.177 35.85 38.68 Mm-hmm . So , ready ? 38.11 38.37 38.68 IS1003d D MIO023 3 39.304 41.756 39.45 41.756 No not really . Just 41.34 IS1003d C MIO035 2 39.675 40.599 39.88 40.24 'Kay . 40.24 IS1003d D MIO023 3 43.675 44.348 43.7 44.29 Crap . 44.29 IS1003d B MIO005 1 44.288 54.112 44.288 54.112 Sorry , I I um I'm afraid 45.52 IS1003d D MIO023 3 45.686 46.292 45.79 46.12 Okay . 46.12 IS1003d C MIO035 2 49.536 52.789 49.56 52.789 It's perfect . 52.45 IS1003d A FIO017 0 50.512 57.103 50.512 57.103 Your judgement it's is biased . 56.87 IS1003d B MIO005 1 54.878 66.49 55.15 66.49 Uh thi this remote control will stay a prototype . 66.07 IS1003d D MIO023 3 57.14 59.376 57.65 59.34 'Kay , so whe where is the remote control ? 57.74 59.34 IS1003d A FIO017 0 58.464 66.672 58.464 66.672 So , we are So 60.47 IS1003d C MIO035 2 59.928 63.696 60.17 63.696 Where ? It's here . 62.0 63.3 IS1003d B MIO005 1 67.952 68.304 67.97 68.21 Okay . 68.21 IS1003d A FIO017 0 68.224 71.504 68.24 71.46 let's go for our detailed design meeting . 71.46 IS1003d D MIO023 3 72.048 72.747 72.25 72.52 Yep . 72.52 IS1003d A FIO017 0 72.896 91.728 72.92 91.66 So I will still play the role of the secretary , and we'll have um first the project presentation by our User Interface Designer , David Jordan , and our Industrial Designer , Baba . 76.57 86.71 89.33 91.3 91.66 IS1003d C MIO035 2 84.416 84.752 84.45 84.71 Okay . 84.71 IS1003d C MIO035 2 87.359 88.621 87.62 88.621 Yeah . 87.79 IS1003d B MIO005 1 87.759 88.32 87.759 88.32 Yeah . 88.11 IS1003d B MIO005 1 91.904 92.848 91.97 92.848 Yeah . 92.44 IS1003d A FIO017 0 92.768 106.67 92.768 106.67 So we'll have to evaluate the uh your proposed remote control , and um have an idea of the price that uh this thing will cost . 99.09 106.53 IS1003d C MIO035 2 93.536 93.824 93.56 93.79 'Kay . 93.79 IS1003d A FIO017 0 107.168 129.943 107.168 129.88 And in case if we're we all agree on the fabrica of um building of this remote control , we'll evaluate the um production . So maybe I will let the our two designers talk about so their You have s oh , sorry . Oops . 115.65 120.75 128.45 129.27 129.88 IS1003d C MIO035 2 126.01 127.815 126.42 127.67 I have slides . 127.67 IS1003d B MIO005 1 127.436 128.286 127.62 128.22 Okay . 128.22 IS1003d C MIO035 2 130.976 133.689 131.0 133.62 Ah , that is three . 131.92 133.62 IS1003d B MIO005 1 131.769 136.448 132.2 135.83 Effectively one slide and maybe we can discuss everything . 135.83 IS1003d C MIO035 2 134.352 135.955 134.37 135.77 Product prod - IS1003d D MIO023 3 134.911 136.28 135.28 136.0 What slides ? 136.0 IS1003d C MIO035 2 136.548 136.817 136.57 136.69 Yep . 136.69 IS1003d C MIO035 2 137.488 137.84 137.52 137.8 Okay . 137.8 IS1003d C MIO035 2 140.8 141.885 140.82 141.885 Okay . 141.68 IS1003d C MIO035 2 142.764 147.312 142.92 147.17 So , this is our product or prototype . 143.49 147.17 IS1003d C MIO035 2 148.416 150.332 148.44 150.17 This is made by clay . 150.17 IS1003d A FIO017 0 150.592 153.792 150.62 153.792 Looks strange . 153.59 IS1003d C MIO035 2 151.568 186.912 151.59 186.88 Yeah . Uh the basic colour is uh yellow and red . Yellow is uh our company colour , uh red it's uh is more attractive . So we used two basic colour , yellow and red . And the shape , there's two basic shape . The first is a circle and the second is a triangle s piece . It's we call it a mushroom design . It's looks like some mushroom , so we call it mushroom design . So this is a introduction of our product . Next a mo 153.92 158.36 161.84 166.23 168.21 169.77 170.38 171.67 177.61 179.93 181.24 183.81 186.41 IS1003d A FIO017 0 161.541 162.678 161.65 162.33 Okay . 162.33 IS1003d B MIO005 1 177.52 178.218 177.62 178.03 Okay . 178.03 IS1003d B MIO005 1 180.832 182.079 180.832 181.95 Yeah . 181.95 IS1003d B MIO005 1 183.011 183.586 183.16 183.586 Uh - IS1003d A FIO017 0 184.758 192.413 184.758 191.89 Genetically modified mushroom I will say , but keep on speaking . 188.47 191.89 IS1003d C MIO035 2 189.04 210.08 189.04 210.04 Okay , yeah , so next slide . So there are several key features of our pr prototype . The first is that it is fuzzy . I'm sure this would be the unique design the market . Yeah , so it's a fuzzy design , and a unique design . Um , and uh 191.21 191.5 192.79 196.34 198.78 204.11 204.56 205.91 208.08 209.38 IS1003d D MIO023 3 188.979 189.494 189.04 189.27 Yeah . 189.27 IS1003d A FIO017 0 201.12 207.112 201.12 207.112 Oh . Maybe , I hope so . 202.92 203.22 206.95 IS1003d B MIO005 1 201.314 205.86 201.314 205.86 Yeah , yeah I'm sure . 201.93 205.2 IS1003d B MIO005 1 207.12 208.679 207.46 208.59 Yeah , that's true . 207.59 208.59 IS1003d C MIO035 2 211.456 231.843 211.48 231.77 the second key feature is that uh s circle channel um selection . In the traditional key uh traditional controller use button to to select the channel but now we have a s circle , so we can turn this ball to t to select channel . So it's quite convenient for user to use it . 217.18 224.35 229.21 231.77 IS1003d A FIO017 0 229.406 230.046 229.61 229.97 Chan - IS1003d A FIO017 0 231.936 236.544 232.0 236.544 Yeah , okay , but don't touch don't destroy your prototype . 232.16 232.37 236.41 IS1003d C MIO035 2 232.756 244.88 232.79 244.82 Yeah , s okay . Uh the third feature is a stable triangle base . Uh this sta uh this triangle base is very stable , so 233.66 236.5 240.55 244.42 IS1003d C MIO035 2 246.512 258.096 246.53 258.05 uh so it's it's um it's unlikely you cannot found it . So it's v Um , you can put it in the table so you can turn the the ball to cha to select the channel 250.92 252.9 IS1003d C MIO035 2 259.856 267.669 259.88 267.669 and there's some cute button . You c can can you can see the the shape of the buttons n is a mushroom , so 261.35 266.22 IS1003d A FIO017 0 267.2 272.087 267.36 271.98 Everything's mushroom . So we can call our remote control the mushroom . 268.99 271.98 IS1003d B MIO005 1 268.426 270.396 268.63 270.14 Yeah . 270.14 IS1003d C MIO035 2 268.752 271.388 268.77 271.3 Yeah , everything's mushroom . Mush 269.04 270.52 IS1003d B MIO005 1 271.872 281.471 272.07 281.34 Yeah but it's not like really mushroom because you have uh you know uh like lemon shape , you know , centre is yellow and t d 277.52 277.77 IS1003d C MIO035 2 272.048 273.399 272.07 273.0 Mushroom design , yeah . 272.81 273.0 IS1003d C MIO035 2 277.936 278.369 277.96 278.28 Yeah . 278.28 IS1003d A FIO017 0 278.448 279.654 278.73 279.33 Okay . 279.33 IS1003d C MIO035 2 279.696 289.445 279.72 289.445 Yeah , th that's why if you put it in the table , be careful , somebody will eat it . 279.98 282.58 283.35 289.26 IS1003d B MIO005 1 282.688 284.117 282.71 283.91 To integrate , you know yeah . 283.32 283.91 IS1003d B MIO005 1 284.859 293.053 285.36 292.85 I don't think I hope nobody will eat it . You know , to integrate the fruit aspect , you know the the in 288.18 288.37 289.86 IS1003d C MIO035 2 290.624 290.912 290.64 290.88 Yeah . 290.88 IS1003d A FIO017 0 290.832 292.128 290.95 292.03 Oh . 292.03 IS1003d D MIO023 3 291.104 298.041 291.12 297.89 Yeah , because mushroom was not in the trends . I mean there was fruits yeah . Yeah . 291.29 294.07 297.53 297.89 IS1003d B MIO005 1 294.448 295.467 294.48 295.467 Really ? But 294.99 IS1003d A FIO017 0 294.677 296.4 294.97 296.36 Fruits and vegetables . 296.36 IS1003d B MIO005 1 296.752 300.761 296.77 300.761 Fruit and vegetable , so mushroom was a kind of you know uh 297.41 IS1003d A FIO017 0 297.316 299.628 297.42 299.42 Vegetables . Mushroom is a vegetable . 298.14 299.42 IS1003d C MIO035 2 298.786 301.1 298.786 300.77 Yeah . 300.77 IS1003d D MIO023 3 299.393 300.784 299.51 300.75 I don't think it is . 300.75 IS1003d A FIO017 0 301.472 302.304 301.49 302.27 It's vegetable . 302.27 IS1003d B MIO005 1 302.576 311.111 302.64 310.99 Mushroom ? Oh , uh I'm not sure . We can it's a veg a kind of vegetable , but you know we we integrated them with different colour . 303.58 303.73 305.89 308.0 310.99 IS1003d C MIO035 2 302.539 302.876 302.7 302.83 Yeah . 302.83 IS1003d D MIO023 3 302.976 303.616 303.0 303.58 Mm-hmm . 303.58 IS1003d A FIO017 0 304.185 306.224 304.4 306.17 So th it's something eatable . 306.17 IS1003d D MIO023 3 306.158 306.809 306.32 306.76 Yeah . 306.76 IS1003d C MIO035 2 308.195 308.76 308.32 308.56 Yeah . 308.56 IS1003d D MIO023 3 309.92 313.307 309.94 313.08 But anyway this is not a mushroom anyway , so it's fine . 311.48 313.08 IS1003d C MIO035 2 312.471 315.334 312.53 315.334 Yeah . 315.13 IS1003d B MIO005 1 312.517 321.248 313.15 321.21 I I think we take into account what you said about fruit and vegetable you know . This , you know , very enlighted colours , you know . 318.55 319.05 319.53 320.92 321.21 IS1003d D MIO023 3 319.552 323.193 319.57 323.193 No , I mean , yeah yeah . Inspira inspiration is 319.68 319.92 321.54 IS1003d B MIO005 1 322.144 327.45 322.27 327.33 And inspired colour and and very sophisticated material , so . 326.94 327.33 IS1003d D MIO023 3 327.104 327.392 327.12 327.36 True . 327.36 IS1003d C MIO035 2 328.94 329.521 328.98 329.18 Yeah . 329.18 IS1003d B MIO005 1 328.608 331.515 329.0 331.515 And so - IS1003d A FIO017 0 332.288 333.264 332.43 333.18 Next slide . 333.18 IS1003d C MIO035 2 333.712 336.425 333.82 336.425 Uh , no this our only two slides . 334.08 336.02 IS1003d B MIO005 1 335.136 347.731 335.16 347.731 So what we w what I can add is that , you know he talk about what is outside , so what is inside is what we dis what we talked before about , you know , the chip , it is a low level chip , and 337.72 341.54 344.61 344.91 345.92 347.39 IS1003d C MIO035 2 341.248 341.618 341.39 341.56 Yeah . 341.56 IS1003d C MIO035 2 347.331 351.248 347.48 351.248 So we cut it to see . 350.95 IS1003d B MIO005 1 348.486 358.29 348.67 358.25 You know , we don't need to k . You know wi the low level chips inside and you know the L_C_D_ button and the i 348.85 350.56 IS1003d A FIO017 0 349.644 350.242 349.86 350.19 Mm-hmm . 350.19 IS1003d C MIO035 2 356.832 359.312 356.85 359.28 Okay . So where's the battery battery ? 357.84 359.28 IS1003d B MIO005 1 359.344 364.571 359.4 364.571 The battery it is under . It is in th in in the base , yeah . 360.7 363.01 364.18 IS1003d A FIO017 0 360.67 366.112 360.97 366.07 In the base . In the basement . In the basement . And where is the solar solar cell ? 362.27 363.09 364.09 366.07 IS1003d C MIO035 2 361.873 363.236 361.97 363.04 Base . Here ? 362.73 363.04 IS1003d D MIO023 3 364.544 366.72 364.58 366.69 But we say uh we sa we said solar . 366.69 IS1003d A FIO017 0 367.376 368.88 367.4 368.65 Where is the solar cell ? 368.65 IS1003d B MIO005 1 367.472 384.576 367.49 384.576 In fact this this this this is a kind of you know revolutionary solar receptor that we can put outside and I don't think so , but it it's might be okay , so . I it might be okay . So 380.26 382.16 382.73 384.31 IS1003d A FIO017 0 373.72 377.824 373.9 377.72 Oh . Do you think it won't be It won't cris increase the price ? 374.48 377.72 IS1003d C MIO035 2 374.47 375.009 374.62 374.93 Okay . 374.93 IS1003d A FIO017 0 379.882 391.447 380.17 391.03 Okay , we'll see after . We will have first to so , mister money , what's your opinion according to this remote control ? 380.59 381.4 386.29 387.52 391.03 IS1003d C MIO035 2 384.241 384.838 384.26 384.49 Okay . 384.49 IS1003d D MIO023 3 387.575 388.005 387.74 387.97 Yeah . 387.97 IS1003d D MIO023 3 390.976 394.08 391.02 394.02 I mean , we gonna try to measure how 392.08 IS1003d D MIO023 3 395.536 409.584 395.57 409.2 good it is instead of just talking about uh we had three keys key points to uh for this remote control design , and first one was uh 405.09 IS1003d A FIO017 0 410.134 410.689 410.3 410.62 Mm-hmm . 410.62 IS1003d D MIO023 3 411.326 412.268 411.46 412.16 fancy - IS1003d D MIO023 3 414.992 415.792 415.01 415.75 look and feel . 415.75 IS1003d B MIO005 1 415.783 416.604 415.99 416.54 Yeah . 416.54 IS1003d C MIO035 2 416.464 416.784 416.48 416.74 Yeah . 416.74 IS1003d D MIO023 3 417.728 429.104 417.75 428.97 So w we'll try to judge this feature uh with a one to seven scale , one being uh no , I think . Uh just let me check . 423.76 425.92 426.7 428.97 IS1003d B MIO005 1 429.222 432.08 429.4 432.05 So , four point three point five , it means it's acceptable . 429.58 430.89 432.05 IS1003d D MIO023 3 432.576 438.032 432.6 437.82 One one being true , and seven being false . Okay . Ouch . 433.73 435.8 437.46 437.82 IS1003d B MIO005 1 436.784 437.676 436.85 437.49 Oops . 437.49 IS1003d D MIO023 3 439.516 440.419 439.71 440.26 So - IS1003d C MIO035 2 441.952 442.256 441.97 442.21 Okay . 442.21 IS1003d D MIO023 3 442.142 445.801 442.47 445.71 Do we have a fancy look and feel , according to you ? 444.4 445.71 IS1003d C MIO035 2 444.368 445.987 444.4 445.48 Yeah , I think so . 444.6 445.48 IS1003d B MIO005 1 445.328 450.357 445.35 450.21 I think you have nice colours . I don't The sha the bowl shape people like . 447.34 450.21 IS1003d D MIO023 3 447.313 448.052 447.46 448.052 But is it - IS1003d C MIO035 2 449.312 451.84 449.33 451.84 Yeah , the shape is unique , and the colour 449.62 450.86 IS1003d D MIO023 3 451.76 453.888 451.82 453.888 Uh I'll agree it's unique , but is it really 452.91 IS1003d B MIO005 1 453.718 457.104 453.718 456.94 Is it really fancy ? 456.94 IS1003d C MIO035 2 454.176 457.784 454.176 457.75 So it depend on how d do you define fancy . 457.75 IS1003d D MIO023 3 458.448 463.696 458.49 463.66 Yeah I mean , fancy was was defined by s fruit and vegetable look . 459.12 463.66 IS1003d B MIO005 1 463.173 473.417 463.39 473.417 But it's you have the lemon aspect of this th this this thing . 473.29 IS1003d D MIO023 3 466.74 472.908 466.74 472.42 Yeah . 472.42 IS1003d A FIO017 0 471.507 476.992 471.63 476.992 Maybe if you change if you take the buttons out , and maybe do things like that 474.98 IS1003d B MIO005 1 474.512 476.242 474.512 476.04 Do Don't do that , please . 475.51 476.04 IS1003d D MIO023 3 476.928 480.938 476.97 480.89 I dunno where the lemon is , but I mean it's not obvious . 478.0 480.89 IS1003d B MIO005 1 478.944 482.064 478.944 482.064 I it's it's i this shape is a lemon like , so 481.81 IS1003d A FIO017 0 482.208 484.803 482.23 484.71 It would be bet more like a lemon ? 484.71 IS1003d B MIO005 1 485.065 485.558 485.16 485.3 Yeah . 485.3 IS1003d D MIO023 3 485.504 486.576 485.52 486.576 If - IS1003d B MIO005 1 488.224 489.254 488.64 489.14 Because i - IS1003d D MIO023 3 488.688 493.648 488.71 493.648 I dunno , maybe improving the texture of like having it less smooth or 488.95 IS1003d A FIO017 0 490.979 491.52 491.06 491.38 Yeah . 491.38 IS1003d B MIO005 1 492.432 493.12 492.5 493.08 Less button . 493.08 IS1003d C MIO035 2 494.736 495.056 494.79 495.02 Uh - IS1003d C MIO035 2 496.996 498.638 497.04 498.4 so , my mush . 497.48 498.4 IS1003d A FIO017 0 498.367 502.64 498.69 502.31 Looks like more fruit . Maybe a pineapple ? 500.68 502.31 IS1003d B MIO005 1 500.448 502.07 500.47 502.03 Yeah , but you don't have any button now . 500.57 502.03 IS1003d C MIO035 2 500.435 501.041 500.56 500.76 Mm . 500.76 IS1003d D MIO023 3 503.106 504.736 503.34 504.28 Yeah . I dunno . 503.57 504.28 IS1003d A FIO017 0 504.602 506.184 504.82 506.13 And you know , you have the 505.27 IS1003d A FIO017 0 507.232 509.904 507.25 509.84 finger here , with the buttons ? 509.07 509.84 IS1003d C MIO035 2 508.8 509.088 508.82 509.03 Yeah . 509.03 IS1003d C MIO035 2 510.337 510.749 510.36 510.57 Hmm . 510.57 IS1003d B MIO005 1 510.368 516.669 510.54 516.669 That's uh yeah , is that that's a good idea . So that's great . That's great . 511.76 512.84 515.33 516.58 IS1003d D MIO023 3 511.732 512.91 511.83 512.91 Yeah , it's getting 512.02 IS1003d A FIO017 0 512.928 517.993 513.22 517.96 It looks more like a pineapple . Sorry . What's the use for that ? 515.73 516.64 517.96 IS1003d C MIO035 2 517.776 526.976 517.8 526.94 Uh , for turn turn the ball . If you want to turn the ball , it's very it's very convenient for you to to to turn the ball to change the channel . 517.93 519.16 521.43 526.94 IS1003d B MIO005 1 517.805 519.76 518.09 519.76 I have no idea , so . 518.97 519.71 IS1003d B MIO005 1 520.624 526.979 520.65 526.979 I have no idea what - IS1003d A FIO017 0 527.008 530.003 527.008 529.82 And where is the voice recognition ? 529.82 IS1003d D MIO023 3 527.392 527.84 527.43 527.79 Okay . 527.79 IS1003d C MIO035 2 528.056 528.266 528.12 528.23 Uh . 528.23 IS1003d C MIO035 2 530.544 537.809 530.56 537.809 Ah , it's embedded , your microphone . Th this th th there's two two functions . This is microphone array 530.95 531.9 533.44 535.94 IS1003d D MIO023 3 532.912 534.188 532.96 534.188 Yeah , that's 533.14 IS1003d A FIO017 0 532.974 533.792 533.19 533.76 Okay . 533.76 IS1003d D MIO023 3 534.704 540.912 534.72 540.87 Wait th that's the second point . First one is we have to judge the fancy look and feel . 536.36 540.87 IS1003d B MIO005 1 538.512 539.617 538.53 539.5 If it is fancy or not . 539.5 IS1003d A FIO017 0 539.669 546.906 540.08 546.906 Okay . Is it better like that ? Looks okay , let's say it's a pineapple now . 540.87 542.75 543.79 546.82 IS1003d D MIO023 3 541.952 543.242 541.97 543.242 I mean - IS1003d B MIO005 1 542.165 544.385 542.42 544.2 So we can we can say t - IS1003d B MIO005 1 545.232 546.96 545.31 546.88 The colour , is the colour acceptable ? 545.8 546.88 IS1003d D MIO023 3 546.609 552.313 546.609 552.24 No , the colour is okay , that's fine . I mean it's but I would say there is more too much red . 547.19 547.83 548.75 552.24 IS1003d B MIO005 1 548.432 549.327 548.45 549.29 So the shape now . 549.29 IS1003d A FIO017 0 549.739 553.776 549.94 553.31 It looks like a now you took it . 553.31 IS1003d B MIO005 1 552.413 555.468 552.87 555.31 It's too much red ? In the basement ? 554.44 555.31 IS1003d D MIO023 3 553.792 556.249 553.81 556.15 Um if - IS1003d A FIO017 0 555.2 567.547 555.71 567.547 It looks like a pineapple with cherry on top . Mm uh 566.09 IS1003d C MIO035 2 558.0 562.241 558.0 562.12 Okay . 562.12 IS1003d D MIO023 3 559.024 564.96 559.024 564.91 Right . So , from one to seven ? 562.84 564.03 564.91 IS1003d B MIO005 1 559.648 568.114 559.648 568.114 I will give I will - IS1003d A FIO017 0 567.547 569.168 567.68 569.11 Seven is the ma the maximum ? 569.11 IS1003d D MIO023 3 569.12 572.0 569.39 571.94 No , seven is false and one is true . 569.77 571.94 IS1003d B MIO005 1 569.088 570.37 569.49 570.26 I'll gi - IS1003d B MIO005 1 573.568 578.896 573.95 578.76 I'll give two or three . Three , it's okay . Three , three . Three is fine for me . 575.65 575.95 577.24 577.59 577.89 578.76 IS1003d A FIO017 0 575.985 577.328 576.08 577.29 Three , I will say three . 576.51 577.29 IS1003d D MIO023 3 577.648 577.968 577.67 577.93 Three ? 577.93 IS1003d D MIO023 3 578.986 579.693 579.02 579.54 Okay . 579.54 IS1003d C MIO035 2 579.051 579.665 579.29 579.46 'Kay . 579.46 IS1003d D MIO023 3 582.552 583.209 582.58 582.91 Three . 582.91 IS1003d A FIO017 0 582.764 584.602 582.97 584.5 Isn't it bitter like that ? 584.5 IS1003d C MIO035 2 584.128 587.168 584.15 587.168 Yeah yeah yeah . 586.87 IS1003d D MIO023 3 584.522 587.313 584.68 587.313 Then uh let me - IS1003d B MIO005 1 587.088 587.904 587.11 587.904 What other - IS1003d D MIO023 3 588.963 596.411 589.08 596.07 The other criterion is is it technologically uh technologically in innovative . 596.07 IS1003d B MIO005 1 590.752 592.294 590.77 592.294 Is it easy to use ? 592.19 IS1003d A FIO017 0 593.649 595.231 594.08 594.84 Feasible ? 594.84 IS1003d B MIO005 1 596.544 597.152 596.56 597.152 Ye uh - IS1003d A FIO017 0 596.898 601.451 596.898 601.41 You said previously that you there's um microphone inside an - IS1003d B MIO005 1 600.742 601.659 601.04 601.6 Embedded . 601.6 IS1003d C MIO035 2 601.168 608.016 601.19 607.97 Yeah , this is microphone array , in fact . There four microphone . So they they they they there's a microphone array . 601.43 602.43 603.52 604.86 607.97 IS1003d B MIO005 1 603.21 605.343 603.23 605.0 It's a micro array , okay . 604.82 605.0 IS1003d A FIO017 0 604.091 617.428 604.18 617.29 Oh . Okay , and you have the there's the technology inside that recognise simple vocal comments ? And you can turn it so maybe it's techno technologically innov innovative ? 604.79 606.22 612.76 617.29 IS1003d C MIO035 2 610.611 614.726 610.8 614.69 Yeah , yeah . So you can capture voice yeah , you c 611.58 612.59 614.25 IS1003d B MIO005 1 613.852 614.771 613.93 614.63 Oh yeah , yeah . 614.27 614.63 IS1003d C MIO035 2 615.488 620.801 615.51 620.14 Yeah , so you can capture s voice from different directions . Yeah . 615.74 620.02 620.14 IS1003d B MIO005 1 616.256 620.171 616.28 620.171 And I think you you've never seen a rou a round remote control , so it is 619.38 IS1003d D MIO023 3 619.764 625.728 619.97 625.69 Yeah bu but when you say technologically it's more uh I dunno , in the core , or single . 624.01 624.65 625.69 IS1003d B MIO005 1 620.171 620.656 620.37 620.48 I - IS1003d B MIO005 1 622.157 623.952 622.157 623.952 W Yeah , but 623.81 IS1003d A FIO017 0 625.621 627.906 626.09 627.81 We have tactile buttons . 627.81 IS1003d D MIO023 3 629.168 629.792 629.21 629.75 Mm-hmm . 629.75 IS1003d B MIO005 1 629.383 639.134 629.87 639.06 I see , you have microphone array embedded . You have That's good . And you have , you know this ki this solar receptor that , you know Yes . Yeah . 630.06 631.55 633.23 633.68 637.23 638.85 639.06 IS1003d D MIO023 3 631.689 632.784 631.88 632.6 No , that's good . Yeah . 632.07 632.37 632.6 IS1003d A FIO017 0 635.404 636.498 635.76 636.32 Oh , yeah . 636.05 636.32 IS1003d D MIO023 3 636.565 641.21 636.83 641.14 Yeah , th that's another really good point . Maybe okay . 637.06 638.97 641.14 IS1003d B MIO005 1 640.352 642.208 640.37 642.208 I think technically it's acceptable , so 641.9 IS1003d A FIO017 0 642.656 644.224 643.07 643.75 Maybe two ? 643.75 IS1003d B MIO005 1 644.16 644.491 644.18 644.45 Yeah . 644.45 IS1003d D MIO023 3 643.825 645.68 644.18 645.65 So using the same scale , two ? 645.48 645.65 IS1003d A FIO017 0 645.468 648.416 645.54 648.38 Two ? I would say two . You agree ? 645.88 647.96 648.38 IS1003d B MIO005 1 645.824 647.328 645.84 647.24 Two , yeah , two . It's it's fine , so . 646.03 646.2 646.36 647.08 647.24 IS1003d D MIO023 3 648.448 651.856 648.48 651.77 Okay . Now maybe the most critical one . 649.8 651.77 IS1003d C MIO035 2 648.544 649.519 648.56 649.44 Yeah , I agree . 648.74 649.44 IS1003d A FIO017 0 649.271 651.038 649.51 650.74 It's better like that , isn't it ? 650.27 650.74 IS1003d B MIO005 1 651.824 653.059 651.824 653.059 Most - IS1003d A FIO017 0 652.048 652.992 652.14 652.63 Okay . 652.63 IS1003d D MIO023 3 652.95 655.463 652.95 655.4 L last one w I would like to judge is - IS1003d D MIO023 3 656.672 658.171 656.69 658.08 is it easy to use ? 658.08 IS1003d B MIO005 1 661.664 667.188 661.73 667.1 Eh , for th the vocal command yes , it's might be easy . But it's just speaking . You just need the command . 661.97 663.68 664.68 666.13 667.1 IS1003d C MIO035 2 664.96 665.936 664.98 665.9 Yeah , it's very easy . 665.11 665.9 IS1003d D MIO023 3 666.464 670.304 666.48 670.304 Yeah but this this turning can you can you just re explain me the - IS1003d C MIO035 2 666.846 668.816 666.97 668.71 You can use this in this way . 668.71 IS1003d B MIO005 1 670.24 672.752 670.49 672.752 As a principle . 672.57 IS1003d D MIO023 3 671.421 673.216 671.421 673.13 Please . 673.13 IS1003d C MIO035 2 671.456 671.76 671.48 671.73 Yeah . 671.73 IS1003d C MIO035 2 673.248 677.568 673.27 677.53 Th this is the base . So you can turn to change the channel . 674.79 677.53 IS1003d D MIO023 3 674.688 675.054 674.71 674.89 Yeah . 674.89 IS1003d D MIO023 3 678.384 682.853 678.4 682.58 Yeah but how how intuitive is it to turn things to change channels ? 682.58 IS1003d C MIO035 2 680.94 683.648 681.27 683.51 You just tu turn d d - IS1003d B MIO005 1 682.404 684.142 682.71 683.81 I think maybe if you he - IS1003d D MIO023 3 683.52 685.234 683.54 685.234 Like if you want to go from - IS1003d A FIO017 0 683.968 699.888 683.99 699.888 Oh , ok I understand . You take take the remote , so and you can turn like that to change the channel ? I think it's quite easy to so s zapping , but maybe it will be too fast . 684.06 685.81 687.76 692.75 695.28 699.58 IS1003d B MIO005 1 685.36 686.904 685.38 686.904 If you hear some click - IS1003d C MIO035 2 689.712 690.144 689.73 690.11 Yeah . 690.11 IS1003d C MIO035 2 691.68 691.994 691.7 691.96 Yeah . 691.96 IS1003d D MIO023 3 692.087 694.385 692.19 694.21 Yeah but imagine you y - IS1003d B MIO005 1 696.944 700.256 696.944 700.256 Yeah , it would 697.57 IS1003d D MIO023 3 697.584 704.752 697.6 704.7 Yeah I'm I'm no I'm not definitely convinced it's it's the best way to if you wanna jump from , I dunno , one to twenty ? 703.81 704.02 704.7 IS1003d B MIO005 1 704.917 707.744 705.21 707.68 Oh yeah , that's difficult . That's dif that's difficult . 705.57 706.47 707.68 IS1003d C MIO035 2 705.112 705.633 705.23 705.57 Yeah . 705.57 IS1003d D MIO023 3 705.936 710.037 705.96 710.037 How can you go directly to twenty , for example ? 708.09 709.8 IS1003d C MIO035 2 709.552 714.64 709.59 714.64 No , no , no . I if y uh if it depend on the the angle you turn the 709.67 709.75 710.65 IS1003d D MIO023 3 710.96 712.064 711.01 711.89 Yeah . 711.89 IS1003d D MIO023 3 714.912 720.32 714.96 719.85 Yeah . I agree . I agree . But I mean if you're fro from two ? 715.69 716.15 716.57 719.85 IS1003d B MIO005 1 715.568 718.626 715.59 718.626 Yeah but y how you need to know I - IS1003d C MIO035 2 717.536 725.216 717.56 725.17 I if if this is a channel one . So it c it could be channel two , channel three , channel four , channel five . So change . Yeah . 719.67 721.96 722.47 722.98 723.8 724.98 725.17 IS1003d B MIO005 1 721.36 722.864 721.38 722.83 I think something that Yeah . 722.83 IS1003d A FIO017 0 723.456 727.006 723.48 726.56 Yeah , you have a , like that , and so on . 723.62 724.08 725.82 726.56 IS1003d B MIO005 1 725.438 726.527 725.5 726.527 And you you can - IS1003d D MIO023 3 725.648 729.514 725.68 729.514 Yeah ju just imagine you have fifty fifty channels uh - IS1003d A FIO017 0 727.798 728.688 727.98 728.56 Oh yeah . 728.56 IS1003d C MIO035 2 729.504 738.992 729.52 738.992 Y uh fifth channel divided by the num by the by three hundred thirteen degree . So you got how many degree you you it 735.42 IS1003d D MIO023 3 730.178 731.204 730.4 731.204 We're not talking - IS1003d D MIO023 3 734.55 735.12 734.8 735.07 Yeah . 735.07 IS1003d A FIO017 0 737.712 742.051 737.73 742.051 Yeah but y but you have to go through all the channels if you want to go - IS1003d B MIO005 1 740.657 743.051 740.69 743.051 I think you can if you have a scale , so 742.41 IS1003d C MIO035 2 740.67 746.496 740.77 746.46 No no , you don't have to y no it's uh when you when you stop t uh when you stop , the 741.15 746.11 IS1003d C MIO035 2 747.339 748.197 747.36 748.12 the turn , 748.12 IS1003d A FIO017 0 748.677 749.249 748.75 749.13 Mm-hmm . 749.13 IS1003d C MIO035 2 749.6 753.824 749.64 753.824 then the angle you stop is the angle you is the channel you - IS1003d D MIO023 3 752.992 756.048 753.01 756.01 Yeah . How d how do you know this angle is th is the correct one ? 753.78 756.01 IS1003d C MIO035 2 757.552 762.401 757.57 762.401 It's it's very easy , because you kn you know how many channel are there in the 758.58 IS1003d D MIO023 3 761.549 765.74 761.75 765.43 So you you count one degree , two degrees , no . 764.6 765.23 765.43 IS1003d C MIO035 2 765.328 766.496 765.35 766.44 Yeah , yeah , yeah . You can do it . 765.49 765.66 765.85 766.44 IS1003d D MIO023 3 767.424 771.73 767.44 771.73 I don't think so . 771.45 IS1003d B MIO005 1 768.272 771.547 768.272 771.34 Yeah , it's a bit difficult . 769.52 771.34 IS1003d C MIO035 2 768.368 774.768 768.39 774.59 I think so I think so you can do it . I think so , you can just change . 772.71 773.16 774.59 IS1003d B MIO005 1 773.968 779.594 774.0 779.594 I think b but the the vocal command is easy too . You can say fifty and fifty it's okay , so 776.48 779.1 IS1003d D MIO023 3 776.695 784.254 777.02 784.254 Yeah voc vocal command is okay . But w we've said previously that maybe it's not going to be th l the main 779.13 IS1003d C MIO035 2 781.82 783.799 782.06 783.71 There's uh also a number , you know . 783.48 783.71 IS1003d A FIO017 0 782.556 807.008 782.74 806.97 Yeah , but when you're zapping you're changing from one channel to the other , so you're passing through all the channels . So , when you say I want to go to the channel number twenty that's you've decided to go to channel twenty , so you can say channel twenty , or channel four , because you really want to go on this channel . But if you really want to to do zapping you you don't really know what you want to do , you can turn it . Just go through all the channels and maybe stop if there is something interesting ? 783.02 786.19 788.45 788.89 792.96 794.82 795.87 797.67 801.85 803.06 806.97 IS1003d B MIO005 1 794.381 796.748 794.44 796.24 Uh , yeah , and y that's yeah . 794.58 794.87 796.24 IS1003d D MIO023 3 798.061 799.892 798.28 799.75 And this would be more for browsing , ah . 799.7 799.75 IS1003d D MIO023 3 800.498 800.851 800.52 800.62 Yeah . 800.62 IS1003d B MIO005 1 802.96 803.308 802.98 803.14 Yeah . 803.14 IS1003d B MIO005 1 804.336 806.464 804.36 806.464 To see uh yeah uh - IS1003d C MIO035 2 804.461 807.028 804.67 806.47 Mm-hmm . Yeah . Yeah . 805.52 806.25 806.47 IS1003d B MIO005 1 807.279 807.818 807.3 807.43 Yeah . 807.43 IS1003d D MIO023 3 807.312 808.144 807.33 807.67 Mm-hmm . 807.67 IS1003d A FIO017 0 808.608 809.456 808.63 809.41 Seems to be good . 809.41 IS1003d C MIO035 2 810.246 810.827 810.35 810.63 Yeah . 810.63 IS1003d A FIO017 0 811.824 814.928 811.84 814.928 Good choice , mister David Jordan . 812.31 814.87 IS1003d C MIO035 2 813.141 816.147 813.27 816.147 Yeah . 815.77 IS1003d D MIO023 3 815.44 818.757 815.48 818.66 Yeah , I mean you're famous . You . 815.62 817.55 818.66 IS1003d B MIO005 1 816.304 817.584 816.32 817.584 And but I'd - IS1003d C MIO035 2 816.624 818.213 816.64 818.11 And also you can , if you i 817.52 IS1003d A FIO017 0 818.112 821.824 818.112 821.31 yeah , what's what's this cherry ? 818.86 821.31 IS1003d C MIO035 2 818.928 837.362 818.95 837.19 You ca you can turn this . Or you ca you can you can also turn this . For this you can tune it's for tune . You you if you want to skip from channel one to channel two , you you skip this . If you want to from uh skip from channel one to channel ten you tune this . It's like fine , from coarse to fine . This is coarse , this is fine . 820.45 823.01 825.0 827.86 829.11 833.75 834.64 835.78 836.57 837.19 IS1003d B MIO005 1 821.389 823.744 821.79 823.71 It is a turn off t turn off button , maybe . 823.45 823.71 IS1003d D MIO023 3 833.495 834.48 833.71 834.42 Mm . 834.42 IS1003d B MIO005 1 837.031 838.251 837.23 838.22 Yeah , yeah yeah . That's 837.42 837.81 IS1003d A FIO017 0 837.913 838.637 837.99 838.49 Okay . 838.49 IS1003d C MIO035 2 838.256 839.965 838.28 839.86 So it's coarse to fine design . 839.86 IS1003d B MIO005 1 839.376 843.222 839.4 842.93 that's very technologic , so . Yeah . 840.44 840.78 842.93 IS1003d C MIO035 2 840.784 841.49 840.8 841.49 Yeah . 841.36 IS1003d D MIO023 3 840.928 842.528 840.95 842.49 Okay the uh th this looks better . Yeah . 842.34 842.49 IS1003d C MIO035 2 842.48 849.076 842.5 849.076 Yeah is is this is , from one channel to maybe to ten channel . This is from one channel to 843.57 846.68 IS1003d B MIO005 1 844.244 850.64 844.49 850.64 S But I di I didn't see where the t f the turn off t turn on turn off button so much activates maybe one of the - IS1003d A FIO017 0 850.56 852.528 850.58 852.49 Yeah , th you have the vocal commands . 850.82 852.49 IS1003d C MIO035 2 849.881 851.193 850.58 851.16 Yeah . Yeah . 850.94 851.16 IS1003d B MIO005 1 852.512 855.184 852.58 855.11 Uh it's k on off , yeah . 854.81 855.11 IS1003d C MIO035 2 852.975 853.59 853.15 853.46 Yeah . 853.46 IS1003d A FIO017 0 853.744 855.079 853.77 854.83 On off . 854.83 IS1003d D MIO023 3 855.563 859.51 855.66 859.37 Yeah , but it has to be on to recognise fas 855.85 IS1003d A FIO017 0 858.218 862.653 858.25 862.27 Most of the time you have the yeah it's a sleeping remote control . 862.27 IS1003d B MIO005 1 862.0 863.753 862.0 863.57 Yeah , sleeping . 862.6 863.57 IS1003d D MIO023 3 862.867 866.416 862.99 866.2 Ah , that's not the ecological part , yeah . 863.41 866.0 866.2 IS1003d A FIO017 0 864.951 874.513 865.31 874.36 That's true . W that why we have the solar ti yeah . So three . 865.74 871.5 874.36 IS1003d D MIO023 3 867.44 868.288 867.46 868.2 Solar . 868.2 IS1003d B MIO005 1 867.824 870.544 867.824 870.51 To compensate . Yeah . 870.36 870.51 IS1003d C MIO035 2 870.528 870.816 870.55 870.78 Okay . 870.78 IS1003d D MIO023 3 871.284 872.762 871.51 872.39 So , which number ? 871.91 872.39 IS1003d B MIO005 1 873.776 880.01 873.776 880.01 Easy to use , it's very relative but three it's fine , I think , it's reasonable three . 874.62 877.21 878.04 879.67 IS1003d C MIO035 2 878.243 878.831 878.42 878.72 Mm-hmm . 878.72 IS1003d A FIO017 0 878.207 880.081 878.67 879.82 Do you agree ? Three ? 879.44 879.82 IS1003d C MIO035 2 879.36 880.32 879.38 880.29 Yeah , agree , agree . 879.55 879.93 880.29 IS1003d D MIO023 3 880.24 882.528 880.26 882.05 So reasonably , is four , is one ? 880.88 881.5 882.05 IS1003d B MIO005 1 882.48 893.85 882.5 893.69 Three f three for me , it's o it's okay . Four or three . Maybe you can vote to see how many everybody gives and no and just take the mean . 883.58 888.08 889.25 893.69 IS1003d D MIO023 3 886.421 889.212 886.47 888.85 So , three . 888.1 888.85 IS1003d A FIO017 0 892.704 894.784 892.82 894.68 And what's your opinion ? 894.68 IS1003d D MIO023 3 894.529 907.904 894.92 907.72 Uh we wouldn't say , I mean , those are sort of agreed but this one would be more five to me . I'd like I mean this is the just a prototype . I'm not really convinced it's so easy to use , but I don't know . 896.04 896.97 900.36 903.41 906.15 907.72 IS1003d B MIO005 1 894.959 895.697 895.06 895.62 Will you give - IS1003d B MIO005 1 896.752 897.056 896.77 897.02 four ? 897.02 IS1003d B MIO005 1 899.824 900.16 899.84 900.13 Five ? 900.13 IS1003d B MIO005 1 906.128 908.476 906.15 908.476 Yeah , so maybe if 906.43 IS1003d C MIO035 2 907.472 932.08 907.49 932.05 Uh w w what do y what uh you compare with traditional uh um tr traditional controller ? I think it's easier than traditional controller . If you use traditional controller you have to put a button , but now you don't have to put button , you have you just turn the turn the ball . There's two kind of balls , the smaller the the the so you can c you can c you can control the scale . But in the traditional controller , how do how can you control the scale ? 914.91 916.78 919.43 920.79 923.53 924.53 928.58 930.08 932.05 IS1003d D MIO023 3 911.523 912.003 911.82 911.97 Yeah . 911.97 IS1003d B MIO005 1 922.64 924.323 922.66 924.323 Yeah but y you know - IS1003d D MIO023 3 923.532 926.963 923.64 926.85 So you have yeah . 926.85 IS1003d D MIO023 3 932.061 935.504 932.41 935.47 Uh by pushing zero after after the first one . 935.47 IS1003d B MIO005 1 933.008 938.305 933.03 938.305 You just push two button , zero and and one . And that's 934.38 936.23 IS1003d C MIO035 2 935.522 946.192 935.61 946.16 Yeah , yeah , yeah , y you you can do it , but you can also do it in the b if you you do not wa if you do not want to browsing all the channel you can just p there's also a button here . 936.44 936.67 936.86 938.07 946.16 IS1003d D MIO023 3 938.032 938.32 938.05 938.25 Yeah . 938.25 IS1003d B MIO005 1 946.165 947.806 946.48 947.74 Are there some buttons ? Okay . 947.33 947.74 IS1003d C MIO035 2 947.504 954.496 947.52 954.42 Yeah , this function is just for your browsing , from one channel to th the next one , the next s sn s , the th the third one . 947.86 950.24 952.56 953.63 954.42 IS1003d D MIO023 3 953.6 954.038 953.64 953.93 Mm-hmm . 953.93 IS1003d A FIO017 0 953.257 958.752 953.65 958.752 It's not what you said previously . Previously you said that turning this was the fine 955.18 IS1003d D MIO023 3 955.376 957.356 955.4 957.17 Yeah , if you're changing your mind . 955.65 957.17 IS1003d D MIO023 3 959.305 960.432 959.61 960.4 Fine to coarse . 960.4 IS1003d A FIO017 0 960.198 965.397 960.43 964.76 Fine to coarse . And from ten to ten channels here . 961.59 964.76 IS1003d C MIO035 2 961.056 961.968 961.08 961.93 Yeah , yeah . 961.71 961.93 IS1003d C MIO035 2 963.751 971.801 963.92 971.77 Y one to ten , ten to twelve , uh ten to t uh twenty . Ten to twenty and this one , t one two three four five six , like this . 965.1 966.43 968.16 969.29 971.3 971.77 IS1003d A FIO017 0 971.703 972.64 972.02 972.54 Okay . 972.54 IS1003d C MIO035 2 972.602 979.045 972.95 978.93 Uh there's different scale , so you can you can choose how much do you want to sc 974.89 IS1003d D MIO023 3 975.616 983.648 975.91 983.61 Okay . But this this has to stay on the table , right ? This has to stay on the table . 977.44 979.78 980.89 983.61 IS1003d C MIO035 2 980.272 980.624 980.3 980.59 Mm-hmm . 980.59 IS1003d B MIO005 1 983.931 987.118 983.931 987.118 In fact on a flat place - IS1003d C MIO035 2 984.544 987.808 984.56 987.808 I i this is just a base . You can just 987.16 IS1003d B MIO005 1 989.087 990.271 989.19 990.271 You can - IS1003d D MIO023 3 989.6 991.696 989.62 991.696 Yeah but then uh when you turn turn it - IS1003d C MIO035 2 989.61 990.032 989.67 990.0 Yeah . 990.0 IS1003d A FIO017 0 990.676 991.215 990.8 991.215 Oh - IS1003d B MIO005 1 992.08 993.741 992.13 993.63 Oh ye yes , that's right . 992.83 993.63 IS1003d A FIO017 0 992.504 1005.088 992.504 1005.088 Yeah , no no , no . You can't put it out . It's just your turning from the base . You need to have everything in hand . If you want to turn , you can't use it and turn . It's impossible . You need to put it on and turn . 993.21 993.85 994.12 995.6 997.42 999.02 1000.12 1002.08 1003.22 1004.94 IS1003d D MIO023 3 992.686 993.687 992.93 993.687 Just - IS1003d D MIO023 3 994.644 995.67 994.91 995.67 It's - IS1003d B MIO005 1 1001.744 1009.1 1001.744 1008.86 Oh my God . 1008.86 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1002.422 1003.171 1002.98 1003.14 Yeah . 1003.14 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1004.4 1009.049 1004.42 1008.86 You know tha that's the weak point , because with a traditional one you just have one hand . 1005.61 1008.86 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1005.472 1007.582 1005.472 1007.5 You use your y - IS1003d A FIO017 0 1007.607 1020.976 1007.85 1020.87 Yeah , but nobody would be able to take it in the pocket and bring it in the kitchen and say I've lost the remote control . Nobody would take it . So nobody w will lost lose it . 1008.14 1015.0 1018.17 1020.87 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1014.16 1026.426 1014.16 1026.426 So th this is a d next generation controller . Yeah . 1024.59 1026.3 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1015.857 1020.048 1016.3 1019.73 Sure . Yeah , you would never you would never lose this one , yeah . 1017.45 1017.75 1019.51 1019.73 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1023.664 1029.985 1023.664 1029.78 yeah maybe , maybe may it's the next prototype , maybe we cou 1026.29 1029.0 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1023.65 1024.518 1023.93 1024.36 Yeah . 1024.36 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1027.424 1029.344 1027.424 1029.31 Okay okay , okay . 1029.08 1029.31 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1029.057 1031.16 1029.59 1031.01 S maybe we can change from th - IS1003d B MIO005 1 1030.672 1033.391 1030.69 1033.3 Four . Maybe four , it's okay . I'll put four . 1031.04 1031.55 1032.52 1033.3 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1031.156 1032.096 1031.33 1032.06 Four . Okay . 1031.8 1032.06 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1032.192 1035.381 1032.21 1035.13 Four ? Easy to use , four . Gonna say four . 1032.9 1033.55 1034.14 1035.13 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1033.918 1037.808 1034.14 1037.71 Four . Uh it's even easier to maybe . 1035.33 1037.71 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1034.624 1036.148 1034.64 1035.83 Yeah , four it's more reasonable . 1034.83 1035.83 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1038.275 1041.29 1038.46 1041.02 You can you can erase with this er yeah . 1041.02 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1040.421 1040.816 1040.46 1040.61 Ok - IS1003d C MIO035 2 1042.432 1043.479 1042.79 1043.33 Okay . 1043.33 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1042.598 1043.748 1042.88 1043.65 Mm . 1043.65 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1048.096 1049.44 1048.12 1049.4 Yeah , four it's more reasonable , so . 1048.25 1049.16 1049.4 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1050.688 1058.698 1050.71 1058.37 So it's nine , nine over three . Oh yeah , it's . 1052.64 1055.71 1056.04 1058.37 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1050.656 1052.014 1050.76 1051.68 So , average ? 1051.1 1051.68 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1053.757 1054.358 1053.88 1054.27 Three ? 1054.27 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1053.797 1054.782 1053.97 1054.68 Three ? 1054.68 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1054.944 1057.504 1054.96 1057.504 Trois . Three . 1055.71 1057.12 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1056.134 1059.005 1056.36 1059.005 Trois . 1058.86 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1057.904 1059.984 1058.56 1059.984 Okay , so 1058.95 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1060.16 1063.759 1060.18 1063.759 It need maybe some wo further work , but it's 1062.15 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1062.768 1064.384 1062.8 1064.35 Yeah , especially on the easy to use 1062.92 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1064.304 1065.488 1064.32 1065.36 Yeah , uh s yeah . 1064.71 1065.36 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1064.801 1065.581 1065.03 1065.22 Yeah . 1065.22 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1065.43 1066.373 1065.66 1066.06 target . 1066.06 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1066.228 1068.087 1066.47 1068.0 Might it might be fine . 1068.0 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1066.677 1070.046 1067.27 1069.91 So , th the project is accepted ? 1067.89 1069.91 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1067.282 1068.16 1067.71 1067.96 Okay . 1067.96 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1070.368 1070.576 1070.39 1070.54 Yeah . 1070.54 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1071.064 1073.28 1071.28 1073.28 Yeah , b I think 1071.57 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1072.129 1089.881 1072.3 1089.881 But I d m I think that it will be good to do some more work to transform this into a pineapple . If you re we really want to have a fruitful remote control . 1082.53 1089.73 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1080.417 1080.846 1080.58 1080.78 Yeah . 1080.78 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1080.944 1081.664 1080.96 1081.56 Yeah , yeah . 1081.22 1081.56 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1082.144 1082.368 1082.16 1082.29 Yeah . 1082.29 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1085.296 1089.834 1085.296 1089.69 Okay . 1089.69 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1094.608 1097.174 1094.608 1097.02 So uh mm mm . Mm . 1096.64 1097.02 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1096.024 1097.378 1096.34 1097.14 That's the finance . 1097.14 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1097.808 1101.84 1097.808 1101.76 Okay and we we had a project prototype presentation with the - IS1003d A FIO017 0 1102.88 1119.68 1102.91 1119.63 evaluation . So as we all agree to accept , under certain conditions , the prototype , we'll have look to the final sh financial view . 1104.19 1110.52 1113.44 1114.6 1119.63 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1109.565 1110.045 1109.6 1109.85 Yeah . 1109.85 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1109.583 1109.984 1109.71 1109.95 Mm . 1109.95 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1110.978 1111.616 1111.32 1111.56 Okay . 1111.56 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1120.88 1147.056 1120.88 1146.84 So we need to calculate the production cost . As I said in the first meeting we need to have so a remote control that would cost not more than twelve and point fifty Euros . And if not if it's not the case y you would have to redesign it . So , just have a look at the okay here is the 1127.02 1136.42 1141.17 1142.72 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1126.278 1127.221 1126.55 1127.06 Mm-hmm . 1127.06 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1133.936 1134.368 1133.96 1134.33 Mm-hmm . 1134.33 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1136.04 1136.697 1136.28 1136.55 Mm-hmm . 1136.55 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1139.83 1140.938 1139.95 1140.78 Oh yeah . 1140.78 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1140.592 1140.816 1140.61 1140.78 Yeah . 1140.78 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1148.368 1149.312 1148.4 1149.18 Excel - IS1003d A FIO017 0 1150.432 1175.473 1150.45 1175.42 sheet , so so it has the energy source . We have hand dynamo . No , we don't use that . We have battery , right ? Kinetic , we don't have it , I suppose , but we have solar cells . Um , how many do y do you need , solar cells ? Do you think one would be enough , or such as 1150.8 1158.32 1160.15 1161.17 1162.93 1163.72 1165.71 1166.37 1167.24 1167.89 1169.62 1169.98 1171.16 1172.06 1173.45 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1160.583 1161.527 1160.73 1161.44 No . 1161.44 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1164.144 1165.168 1164.16 1165.13 Yeah , we have battery . 1164.48 1165.13 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1166.883 1169.328 1166.96 1169.29 No , um solar cells , yeah . 1167.7 1169.11 1169.29 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1176.608 1181.385 1176.63 1181.31 Uh I think in each ball you have three three uh yeah , three , yeah . Three three solar cells . 1179.26 1179.63 1180.0 1181.31 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1176.766 1183.328 1176.766 1183.19 as number of branches ? Three ? So , electronic . 1178.49 1181.35 1182.45 1183.19 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1185.104 1189.008 1185.12 1188.96 Single simple chip on print ? Just one would be necessary ? One ? 1186.92 1188.69 1188.96 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1186.965 1189.328 1186.98 1189.29 S s simple , simple , yeah . Yeah . 1188.13 1188.51 1189.07 1189.29 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1190.128 1192.464 1190.29 1192.3 Zero for the others . 1192.3 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1193.824 1197.009 1194.07 1196.91 And sample sensor , sample speaker . 1195.72 1196.91 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1198.736 1199.024 1198.76 1198.99 One ? 1198.99 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1198.657 1200.918 1198.78 1200.8 Mm . One maybe , yeah . 1199.67 1200.37 1200.8 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1200.56 1202.48 1200.58 1202.43 As we have voice recognition , I think . 1201.9 1202.43 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1201.808 1202.723 1201.83 1202.66 Yeah yeah yeah . 1202.66 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1204.154 1205.28 1204.2 1205.2 So the case . 1205.2 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1204.008 1204.746 1204.22 1204.746 Is it - IS1003d B MIO005 1 1205.321 1206.72 1205.67 1206.72 Is sh it - IS1003d D MIO023 3 1208.416 1209.968 1208.44 1209.93 So we are all already nineteen . 1209.93 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1210.0 1212.432 1210.02 1212.432 Wooden . 1212.14 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1211.039 1216.867 1211.039 1216.8 Okay , just keep on going , just to have an idea . 1214.21 1215.73 1216.8 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1214.288 1218.224 1214.31 1218.224 The solar cell is too expensive . 1217.9 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1215.615 1216.818 1215.84 1216.818 Yeah . 1216.71 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1218.287 1222.592 1218.79 1222.56 Is Yes a wooden pl I and that's There's no wood , so plastic just only , I think . 1221.19 1222.28 1222.56 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1220.49 1228.298 1220.91 1228.19 Well uh yeah , but what what about case ? Uncurved , flat , single curved , double curved . I think it's more like double curved . 1222.4 1223.83 1224.38 1224.76 1225.7 1226.85 1228.19 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1227.52 1229.494 1227.54 1229.12 That's gonna be double curved , yeah . 1228.85 1229.12 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1228.073 1229.552 1228.14 1229.4 Double curve , yeah , double curve . 1228.71 1228.91 1229.4 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1229.6 1230.064 1229.69 1230.03 One ? 1230.03 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1231.088 1231.952 1231.11 1231.92 One , you have . 1231.42 1231.92 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1237.211 1238.592 1237.211 1238.44 Uh wood ? 1238.44 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1239.872 1242.204 1239.95 1242.204 But it's yeah , a a rubber uh 1240.96 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1240.448 1243.224 1240.53 1242.97 Rather four buttons . Oh no , interface . 1241.91 1242.51 1242.97 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1241.714 1249.92 1241.95 1249.86 Uh do we need special colour ? Y maybe , two ? We have two special colours . Push button . 1244.99 1245.72 1246.13 1249.22 1249.86 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1245.584 1247.776 1245.66 1247.74 Yeah , yeah . Y y yeah , yeah . 1245.98 1246.66 1247.54 1247.74 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1245.873 1247.984 1246.09 1247.93 Yeah , yeah that's special colours , sure . 1246.34 1247.61 1247.93 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1251.056 1252.496 1251.08 1252.41 Mm . Yeah , we have four . 1251.61 1251.82 1252.41 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1253.872 1256.441 1253.872 1256.441 Five . 1256.27 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1254.0 1254.672 1254.18 1254.64 Five ? 1254.64 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1255.897 1257.075 1256.01 1257.075 Okay . 1256.72 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1260.032 1262.8 1260.84 1262.59 Scroll wheel . We don no . 1261.73 1262.59 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1261.664 1261.968 1261.72 1261.93 No . 1261.93 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1264.064 1266.95 1264.08 1266.83 It it's more like integrated scor . 1266.83 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1265.751 1270.336 1265.82 1270.336 I think that this will be like a scroll wheel , actually . Y you tu you turn you turn it , so 1267.73 1268.08 1270.09 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1266.228 1266.901 1266.48 1266.87 No no . 1266.87 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1267.152 1268.32 1267.17 1268.28 Yeah tha that's wheel . 1268.28 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1268.329 1269.396 1268.37 1269.396 No no no , it 1268.78 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1270.576 1272.944 1270.576 1272.67 Okay . 1272.67 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1271.536 1277.117 1271.56 1276.85 Yeah , maybe two scroll wheel , as we have the coarse coarse to fine scroll wheel . 1272.17 1273.38 1276.85 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1272.183 1272.799 1272.3 1272.66 Yeah . 1272.66 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1273.76 1274.912 1273.78 1274.88 Yeah , true . Yeah , yeah . Yeah . 1273.97 1274.21 1274.42 1274.67 1274.88 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1276.448 1277.928 1276.47 1277.48 Okay , yeah , yeah . Scr 1276.66 1276.93 1277.26 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1279.114 1282.48 1280.23 1282.43 So , no button supplements ? 1280.75 1282.43 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1279.921 1281.66 1280.41 1281.56 I think the price is okay . 1281.56 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1282.56 1282.816 1282.58 1282.77 No . 1282.77 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1283.529 1284.388 1283.56 1284.02 Okay . 1284.02 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1283.52 1286.709 1283.56 1286.0 Um , no . 1285.8 1286.0 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1287.701 1291.067 1287.99 1291.067 Okay we I think we have problem . 1290.95 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1290.016 1292.305 1290.04 1292.06 L_C_ display , maybe . Interface . 1290.77 1291.41 1292.06 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1292.867 1299.344 1292.92 1299.344 I think we s if we keep on adding things so we have to - IS1003d B MIO005 1 1295.548 1297.919 1295.95 1297.5 It's okay . fine . 1297.14 1297.5 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1299.264 1302.033 1299.28 1301.9 Yeah w one of the m key point is solar cells . 1301.9 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1302.224 1306.704 1302.24 1306.65 Maybe if w t if suppose if we change and we g put just one ? 1306.65 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1309.596 1310.417 1309.89 1310.24 Yeah . 1310.24 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1310.911 1312.184 1311.13 1311.92 Has it changed . 1311.92 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1312.992 1314.432 1313.05 1314.25 Yeah , it was stage one , so . 1313.25 1314.02 1314.25 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1313.495 1317.31 1313.7 1317.31 No y i it did change , but just imagine we have 1315.0 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1315.328 1315.952 1315.35 1315.91 Okay . 1315.91 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1315.37 1324.272 1315.91 1324.24 We have change the electronics to from from the the the sample sensor to regular chip . Oh . 1323.91 1324.24 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1320.592 1321.181 1320.91 1321.181 So - IS1003d C MIO035 2 1326.0 1328.952 1326.02 1328.53 We have to delete the the sample sensor , I think . 1328.15 1328.53 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1328.347 1329.129 1328.43 1329.04 Yeah . 1329.04 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1328.41 1331.504 1328.45 1331.47 Yeah , but we have you the the voice recognition , no ? 1328.75 1331.17 1331.47 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1333.28 1336.402 1333.3 1336.402 Yeah but this one one of the feature we were not really - IS1003d C MIO035 2 1335.52 1342.353 1335.54 1342.05 Yeah it's the one it's m maybe we ha we have two versions , the first version , the basic version . Advanced version we have speak . 1338.46 1339.1 1340.3 1342.05 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1337.067 1337.72 1337.09 1337.43 Okay . 1337.43 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1339.622 1349.552 1340.01 1348.97 I think you can transform the wood into plastic , maybe . Because uh it seems that this can be yeah , wood into plastic and it it should be fine . 1342.11 1342.47 1345.33 1348.97 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1340.299 1340.745 1340.48 1340.65 Yeah . 1340.65 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1342.605 1343.811 1342.85 1343.811 Yeah , if 1343.23 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1343.634 1344.778 1343.75 1344.65 Or it would be better . 1344.65 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1351.6 1354.496 1351.62 1354.496 Plastic is free . 1354.11 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1353.072 1353.36 1353.09 1353.32 Yeah . 1353.32 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1355.78 1357.48 1355.78 1357.34 So , do we need special colour ? 1356.29 1357.34 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1358.112 1360.847 1358.13 1360.55 Yeah , that's one of the requirement . 1358.44 1360.55 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1359.04 1359.984 1359.07 1359.95 Because we have red . 1359.95 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1360.448 1363.157 1360.67 1363.0 Yeah , red and yellow . Fancy . 1360.85 1362.52 1363.0 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1361.083 1361.764 1361.17 1361.34 Wait . 1361.34 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1361.408 1362.189 1361.43 1362.04 Red and yellow . 1362.04 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1362.32 1368.64 1362.48 1368.58 We could turn we could turn everything in either yellow or black . Black then is a regular colour , so . 1366.76 1368.3 1368.58 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1362.597 1365.456 1362.66 1365.36 We we can we can we c yellow . 1365.36 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1368.944 1372.053 1369.03 1372.0 I think so we need if we try to have a kind of - IS1003d D MIO023 3 1372.352 1373.548 1372.37 1373.47 Yeah , one . 1373.08 1373.47 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1372.88 1376.347 1372.9 1376.347 pineapple bee . 1375.92 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1374.339 1374.853 1374.36 1374.76 Yeah . 1374.76 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1376.062 1380.864 1376.39 1380.22 So push button then it's it's the next expensive one . 1380.22 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1379.444 1388.656 1379.55 1388.43 Yeah . An but we have integrated scroll wheel with push dut button . And I think this is one . Integrated scroll wheel push button . So we'll we have only one ? 1380.18 1382.84 1384.55 1386.73 1388.43 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1384.32 1386.169 1384.34 1386.05 Yeah , thi this might be . 1384.66 1386.05 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1390.187 1400.8 1390.46 1400.8 And push button . So if we have all integrated i in the scroll wheel and push button , it's uh 1395.05 1400.09 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1393.552 1394.288 1393.57 1394.25 Close to . 1394.25 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1396.592 1396.96 1396.61 1396.93 One . 1396.93 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1400.782 1409.817 1400.98 1409.5 I can remove maybe f you have five with push buttons , so we can just , I dunno , try to modify some of them to have yeah . 1404.16 1405.85 1406.38 1409.5 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1412.256 1415.202 1412.28 1414.59 Okay , so what's the bottleneck ? 1412.51 1414.59 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1416.816 1419.099 1416.84 1418.98 How about we change the sale ? 1418.98 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1417.354 1418.707 1417.57 1418.61 Double curved . 1418.61 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1418.16 1423.51 1418.18 1423.51 Double curve . We can transform the double curve into single c yeah . F some 1418.82 1422.07 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1420.825 1422.32 1420.91 1422.16 Something flat . 1422.16 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1422.96 1424.442 1422.98 1424.442 Yeah , but flat 1423.15 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1424.565 1428.34 1424.76 1428.0 S uncurved . Yeah , maybe not . 1426.85 1427.12 1428.0 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1426.355 1431.425 1426.355 1431.37 Single curve . Single curve should be fine , so . 1429.6 1430.98 1431.37 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1426.361 1428.414 1426.38 1428.32 Case , what's the ca 1426.79 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1429.168 1429.712 1429.19 1429.5 Yeah . 1429.5 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1434.528 1436.214 1434.79 1436.214 Oh , what 1435.28 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1437.394 1440.045 1437.87 1439.99 Mm . Nearly . 1438.87 1439.99 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1438.224 1441.515 1438.24 1441.515 Ah we have one - IS1003d D MIO023 3 1438.223 1440.685 1438.56 1440.55 And then one Euro left . 1440.55 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1442.624 1443.584 1442.73 1443.55 Um . 1443.55 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1445.953 1474.16 1445.953 1474.13 Maybe don't bat no battery , only solar cells . I think there's a problem with the push push button . We only need maybe just one . Just one . Yeah . So yeah , you will have So one button , and s 1448.47 1454.98 1457.49 1460.06 1463.23 1468.45 1470.49 1472.65 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1446.766 1455.2 1446.766 1455.2 It's it's a bad idea , so . 1451.71 1455.03 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1454.176 1455.786 1454.3 1455.786 Um - IS1003d B MIO005 1 1457.973 1481.442 1457.973 1481.41 Two ? One . That's fine . That's fine . One s one scroll wheel , so And the vocal chord , it's fine . It I th it's fine . 1459.68 1464.31 1465.88 1468.84 1475.3 1478.65 1479.44 1481.41 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1464.563 1467.2 1464.58 1466.92 Okay . Okay . Agree . 1465.37 1466.38 1466.92 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1468.096 1469.6 1468.29 1469.56 So we have one button , 1469.56 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1470.393 1471.624 1470.42 1471.47 one wheel . 1471.47 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1475.28 1477.28 1475.4 1477.08 scroll wheel with push button on it . 1477.08 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1481.35 1482.208 1481.56 1482.208 So - IS1003d D MIO023 3 1482.512 1484.872 1482.53 1484.872 It's good they're not charging anything for that . 1484.67 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1485.488 1490.08 1485.78 1490.04 So , yeah . It think we we've done good job , as the cost is 1486.44 1487.3 1488.96 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1490.416 1491.815 1490.44 1491.815 Cou could we have look - IS1003d A FIO017 0 1491.184 1493.036 1491.2 1492.9 twelve fifty e - IS1003d C MIO035 2 1492.56 1496.864 1492.58 1496.83 Could we have look at the p the the prod the p the cost ? 1496.83 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1492.902 1498.823 1493.54 1498.4 Yeah y actually it's wrong . We're not under twelve Euros and a half . 1494.65 1498.4 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1496.387 1501.739 1496.387 1501.65 Yeah , but it's under or equal . It's not written . Sometimes it's under or equal . 1497.59 1499.1 1499.8 1501.65 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1499.568 1500.475 1499.62 1500.3 It's fine . 1500.3 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1501.36 1502.992 1501.38 1502.992 It's under or equal . It's fine , so 1502.23 1502.71 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1501.614 1503.504 1501.94 1503.46 Okay . Okay . 1503.18 1503.46 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1504.048 1506.384 1504.07 1506.384 Okay . So let's say 1505.12 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1506.976 1508.32 1507.0 1508.27 Twelve fifty . 1508.27 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1507.568 1508.784 1507.59 1508.75 Wha what yeah . 1508.75 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1508.944 1510.506 1508.96 1510.506 It's fine , twelve fifty uh 1509.41 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1509.534 1512.981 1509.84 1512.981 Which part is the most expensive part ? 1512.81 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1512.656 1513.809 1512.68 1513.71 Solar cells . 1513.71 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1513.306 1515.604 1513.59 1515.34 The solar cells , r is i is it ? 1514.35 1515.34 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1513.824 1515.016 1513.84 1514.62 Yeah , I think . 1514.2 1514.62 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1514.488 1516.752 1514.66 1516.54 Yeah , I think it's not t t 1515.13 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1517.928 1527.344 1517.96 1527.344 I think , yeah . But it would i be interesting for our marketing team , to make a lot of advertisement concerning these solar cells to be 1518.64 1519.21 1521.91 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1522.608 1524.345 1522.63 1524.11 Yeah , to be able to si to sell it . 1522.78 1524.11 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1526.45 1527.357 1526.71 1527.12 Yeah . 1527.12 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1527.792 1528.176 1527.81 1528.14 Cheaper . 1528.14 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1528.096 1532.982 1528.12 1532.84 That's nice argument , but if it's it's still four our of twelve . 1528.96 1532.84 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1529.056 1530.624 1529.08 1530.55 Yeah , with mi 1529.7 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1531.184 1535.156 1531.2 1535.02 It's it is really really uh really very very expensive , though . 1534.77 1535.02 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1534.88 1535.184 1534.9 1535.14 Yeah . 1535.14 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1536.128 1538.245 1536.15 1537.97 Maybe if uh okay . 1537.97 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1537.654 1538.294 1537.83 1538.03 Okay . 1538.03 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1537.364 1551.769 1537.84 1550.94 Yeah but it will be technologically innova innovative , so . So it's easy to use and powerful , as the remote control a has only one button . 1540.9 1544.84 1547.81 1550.94 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1539.984 1541.38 1540.35 1541.19 Yeah , yeah . 1540.9 1541.19 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1541.52 1543.664 1541.54 1543.664 Yeah but we just have one button . 1543.52 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1552.96 1555.6 1552.98 1555.56 Easy . I don't know about powerful . Yeah . 1553.49 1555.4 1555.56 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1556.16 1559.678 1556.18 1559.678 It's easy to use . It's very easy to use . 1556.91 1559.45 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1556.179 1558.1 1556.47 1557.85 Easy , powerful . 1557.16 1557.85 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1560.752 1561.152 1560.78 1561.12 Mm . 1561.12 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1561.296 1567.152 1562.0 1567.09 So I don't think we need to redesign the p the product . 1567.09 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1567.554 1568.359 1567.65 1568.0 No . 1568.0 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1567.345 1570.096 1567.79 1570.06 Uh that's what we've just done . 1570.06 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1570.48 1574.192 1570.51 1574.15 We've done it with it is under the if it was low , high or so . 1573.43 1574.15 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1571.001 1571.933 1571.02 1571.55 Yeah . 1571.55 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1571.408 1571.632 1571.43 1571.6 Yeah . 1571.6 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1577.216 1577.892 1577.24 1577.8 Um - IS1003d A FIO017 0 1577.676 1578.562 1577.72 1578.562 So - IS1003d D MIO023 3 1580.08 1580.624 1580.25 1580.49 okay . 1580.49 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1580.975 1582.03 1581.24 1582.03 Now - IS1003d B MIO005 1 1581.188 1581.845 1581.38 1581.845 So - IS1003d B MIO005 1 1583.856 1586.976 1583.93 1586.94 So what are we going to do with this project evaluation ? 1586.94 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1587.472 1588.577 1587.49 1588.577 So - IS1003d D MIO023 3 1587.317 1589.663 1587.6 1589.663 Well I think we have just have to discuss if - IS1003d B MIO005 1 1589.472 1591.707 1589.53 1591.29 Okay , okay , it's fine . 1590.35 1590.93 1591.29 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1590.563 1591.649 1590.96 1591.28 I dunno . 1591.28 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1592.667 1596.48 1593.0 1596.44 So did you enjoy your clay modelling ? 1596.44 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1596.512 1601.246 1596.53 1601.246 Yes . Of course . This is my job . 1597.31 1598.23 1600.63 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1598.086 1604.63 1598.46 1604.59 Yeah ? Was it a nice way to create your remote control ? 1601.31 1604.59 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1604.256 1606.681 1604.28 1606.22 Yeah , it's uh 1605.52 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1607.34 1608.784 1607.74 1608.74 it's good , to 1608.49 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1609.569 1615.373 1609.71 1615.373 to create a control instead of a computer . 1614.93 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1617.024 1624.176 1617.05 1624.14 Yeah , I think I find it really funny and amazing and interesting to go through all the process to from the beginning to the end . 1617.21 1624.14 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1625.2 1632.496 1625.22 1632.33 And designing , looking at the chips , the solar cells and uh and it was very informative for . 1626.06 1627.23 1632.33 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1628.189 1628.711 1628.21 1628.55 Yeah . 1628.55 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1632.896 1636.154 1632.92 1635.86 And for the marketing guy ? 1635.86 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1635.535 1644.081 1636.03 1644.02 Uh tha that was good but we should have more brainstorming like meetings , maybe . 'Cause we just presenting one is presenting his stuff 1640.85 1641.65 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1641.261 1642.212 1641.37 1642.09 Yep . 1642.09 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1645.088 1649.344 1645.11 1649.31 next one his stuff and then we try to combine afterwards , so it um . 1648.03 1649.31 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1645.432 1646.129 1645.57 1645.99 Okay . 1645.99 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1648.48 1649.76 1648.5 1649.73 Okay , okay . 1649.53 1649.73 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1649.68 1657.847 1650.31 1657.79 And new ideas about new products , maybe , wi which would be fashion and uh 1652.72 1653.24 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1660.352 1661.168 1660.38 1661.13 and yellow . 1661.13 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1662.4 1671.418 1662.4 1671.418 Yellow . I think you can think about a yellow T_V_ now after a fruit T_V_ or I dunno . It can be an interesting I don't know 1663.47 1669.21 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1670.655 1672.416 1670.97 1672.08 Yes , just lemon . 1671.3 1672.08 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1672.336 1675.471 1672.36 1675.17 Yeah , just a lemon T_V_ it'd be yellow lemon . 1672.5 1675.17 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1673.827 1677.152 1674.33 1677.152 Yeah , but y you know the traditional T_V_ it's um 1674.75 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1677.36 1678.383 1677.38 1678.383 It's flat , uh 1678.01 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1677.968 1692.326 1677.99 1692.326 Yeah yeah it's flat , yeah the shape is very boring . Could we come up with new T_V_ with such as this kind of T_V_ ? So you can you have base , triangle base so you the T_V_ you can 1679.64 1681.91 1687.85 1690.02 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1678.992 1680.24 1679.03 1680.2 Squared ? 1680.2 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1681.461 1683.677 1681.75 1683.41 Yeah , that's right . It's really boring , yeah . 1681.86 1682.27 1683.17 1683.41 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1684.379 1684.816 1684.56 1684.78 Yeah . 1684.78 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1691.648 1694.822 1691.68 1694.67 Ah , the lemon T_V_ with the pineapple remote control . 1691.95 1694.67 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1694.384 1698.007 1694.384 1697.7 Yeah , that's that would be really interesting , actually . 1695.17 1697.29 1697.7 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1695.648 1695.92 1695.67 1695.86 Yeah . 1695.86 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1697.136 1699.768 1697.16 1699.768 Yeah . Because the T_V_ you also 1697.52 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1698.394 1707.386 1698.81 1707.22 Oh , that's interesting . You could f we could do a kind of fruit collection of electronics things . Electronic device . 1699.13 1699.88 1706.07 1707.22 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1703.232 1706.105 1703.232 1705.86 Device devi - IS1003d C MIO035 2 1703.917 1706.338 1703.917 1706.29 Yeah . 1706.29 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1706.348 1716.337 1706.43 1716.18 Yeah , but just don't trust too much the trends . 'Cause fruit and vegetables it won't last for ten years uh . Maybe two years it's dead . 1707.4 1711.12 1715.13 1716.18 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1707.378 1708.117 1707.46 1707.95 Yeah . 1707.95 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1709.584 1710.928 1709.66 1710.89 The fruit ? Yeah . 1710.66 1710.89 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1711.232 1712.208 1711.27 1712.208 Maybe - IS1003d A FIO017 0 1714.448 1717.04 1714.53 1716.91 Yeah , maybe la next year it will be insects . 1714.73 1716.91 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1714.493 1715.158 1714.71 1715.158 Yeah , it's 1714.93 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1717.104 1717.424 1717.13 1717.38 Yeah . 1717.38 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1717.596 1726.092 1717.85 1725.91 But I think it's good to follow the f flow and you know make it now and after , you know , if the people change their mind you change also the product . 1721.75 1722.27 1725.91 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1719.749 1720.22 1719.88 1720.08 Yeah . 1720.08 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1722.42 1722.892 1722.49 1722.81 Mm . 1722.81 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1724.88 1728.546 1724.91 1728.47 Yeah , but this is good because it's not a long long life product . 1725.04 1728.47 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1728.72 1729.161 1728.74 1729.01 Yeah . 1729.01 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1729.36 1731.871 1729.38 1731.7 T_V_ is more like fifteen years , maybe , so . 1730.77 1731.05 1731.7 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1732.382 1734.393 1732.5 1734.26 Yeah , yeah . That's a yeah , yeah . 1732.62 1732.91 1734.0 1734.26 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1732.373 1734.544 1732.57 1734.46 If you have a lemon lemon T_V_ for - IS1003d B MIO005 1 1735.536 1741.44 1735.72 1741.41 We can think about T_V_ with you know where you can change you know the aspects o like for the cell phones , you know . 1741.15 1741.41 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1735.635 1736.825 1735.85 1736.825 fifteen years - IS1003d A FIO017 0 1741.024 1743.344 1741.32 1743.1 Customable T_V_ . 1743.1 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1742.159 1748.54 1742.24 1748.54 Yeah , you customise it every ti so every ti if people change , you just change the appearance , and y y you can keep 1742.34 1745.29 1746.83 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1744.062 1745.116 1744.27 1744.87 Yeah , yeah . 1744.62 1744.87 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1746.615 1752.484 1746.82 1752.484 Ah such yeah . You've already said mobile phones . Yeah , and following 1747.81 1751.11 1751.38 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1748.0 1749.552 1748.02 1749.52 Tha that would that would make it . Yeah . 1749.36 1749.52 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1748.159 1748.773 1748.46 1748.74 Okay . 1748.74 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1749.472 1751.168 1749.49 1751.13 Yeah , you can keep the global appearan 1749.9 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1752.816 1755.456 1752.84 1755.456 The mood of persons , the fashions uh 1754.3 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1755.589 1756.145 1755.61 1755.83 Yeah . 1755.83 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1755.552 1756.08 1755.81 1756.03 Mm . 1756.03 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1756.506 1758.352 1756.93 1758.352 We int - IS1003d A FIO017 0 1757.184 1765.472 1757.2 1765.13 It's interesting , maybe we can create a a line of uh T_V_ with uh a a tr 1757.85 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1761.736 1763.4 1761.736 1763.05 Yeah , T_V_ , yeah . 1762.28 1762.68 1763.05 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1764.08 1764.916 1764.24 1764.79 Yeah . 1764.79 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1764.528 1771.166 1764.55 1771.166 A T_V_ for autumn and a T_V_ for winter , you know , so it's 1766.75 1767.07 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1767.059 1767.797 1767.26 1767.38 Yeah . 1767.38 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1774.809 1777.936 1774.89 1777.9 So what i and do w is it Okay . 1777.9 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1778.213 1794.841 1778.29 1794.75 So I think the costs are within the budget . We're just at twelve fifty Euros . So do you think you can celebrate your creation ? 1781.5 1787.85 1794.75 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1782.384 1784.536 1782.4 1784.536 Yeah , the pr at 1782.7 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1782.669 1783.317 1782.89 1783.1 Yep . 1783.1 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1783.194 1783.8 1783.38 1783.68 Yeah . 1783.68 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1794.382 1803.123 1794.87 1803.123 And you can celebrate your leadership . 1796.76 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1796.336 1803.013 1797.03 1803.013 Oh , thanks a lot . Thank you , mister David Jordan . 1797.32 1799.4 1799.73 1802.91 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1799.389 1810.989 1799.63 1810.95 Yeah but I think f it's really a celebrating object . So it's yellow and very a very ha it's very happy , so . Uh it's it's a pr it's like yeah . 1804.58 1807.7 1808.55 1810.95 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1804.344 1806.986 1804.344 1806.95 Yeah . 1806.95 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1806.458 1807.064 1806.51 1806.73 Hmm . 1806.73 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1808.08 1810.736 1808.1 1810.7 Yeah . It's party party remote control . 1808.53 1810.7 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1811.683 1814.036 1811.87 1813.99 The thing now is to to sell it . 1813.99 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1814.944 1822.559 1814.96 1822.5 Yeah , it's your job . Sell it . Yeah . 1815.2 1817.33 1821.99 1822.5 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1815.984 1822.944 1815.984 1822.944 Yeah , right , go and sell it . Goo and good luck , so 1818.28 1819.14 1820.76 1821.5 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1821.104 1822.705 1821.12 1822.705 Yeah . 1822.65 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1823.508 1828.515 1823.8 1828.515 Okay and the twelve fifty twelve uh twelve - IS1003d D MIO023 3 1827.611 1831.992 1827.76 1831.992 Uh-huh . Twenty five Euros . Yeah , I think it's 1828.42 1830.19 1830.35 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1828.96 1839.284 1828.98 1838.81 Twenty five Euros , yeah . Twenty five Euros . No , it's not so expensive . 1829.81 1831.97 1837.13 1837.32 1838.81 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1830.426 1838.624 1830.426 1838.59 It should be fine . 1838.59 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1831.929 1835.824 1832.4 1835.824 It's maybe a little bit expensive . 1835.49 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1833.346 1834.738 1833.37 1834.738 It's cheap , yeah . 1833.88 1834.6 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1836.528 1837.104 1836.55 1837.104 No , I 1836.93 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1838.24 1840.487 1838.26 1840.42 I'm not so happy about the fruit shape , you know . 1839.84 1840.42 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1839.517 1849.064 1839.517 1848.81 Wh really ? It should be it should be fine , you know , actually . S 1842.2 1843.36 1843.6 1848.34 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1848.07 1848.682 1848.16 1848.6 Okay . 1848.6 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1850.303 1860.368 1850.47 1860.368 Maybe what you can do a test . Put it outside , and if bees come , it's really fruit . 1852.55 1853.34 1855.62 1860.14 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1850.667 1851.626 1851.08 1851.55 Yeah . 1851.55 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1861.056 1866.608 1861.11 1866.608 I I think I like the the colour a the colour are very good , so actually so 1865.07 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1860.994 1865.753 1861.15 1865.753 Okay . 1865.61 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1861.627 1865.294 1861.627 1865.17 But don't put sugar in it , it's not working . 1864.31 1865.17 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1866.252 1868.416 1866.6 1868.38 No , the colours are uh it's perfect , yeah . 1866.78 1868.28 1868.38 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1868.403 1869.84 1868.62 1869.84 It's perfect , and 1869.13 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1869.012 1872.496 1869.49 1872.44 True . Uh yeah , another thing is the logo is missing still . 1869.85 1870.38 1872.44 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1872.864 1877.264 1872.96 1877.264 I p is th y the the yellow ball thing that - IS1003d A FIO017 0 1873.536 1881.856 1873.56 1881.8 Yeah , but the colour , I think the colour is more is most important , because I I don't think you have ever seen something like that before for a remote control . 1873.76 1874.47 1877.11 1881.8 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1876.002 1876.801 1876.16 1876.801 Uh - IS1003d D MIO023 3 1881.699 1888.384 1882.26 1888.35 Still that was one of the requirements we had . It's yeah but it I don't think it's such a problem just putting the logo somewhere . 1884.71 1888.35 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1887.52 1890.855 1887.54 1890.855 Uh f like y we can we can put some uh double R_ - IS1003d A FIO017 0 1889.488 1893.216 1889.51 1893.16 Yeah , but we decided to have something yellow and red , for the costs . 1889.7 1892.25 1893.16 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1893.44 1893.712 1893.46 1893.68 Yeah . 1893.68 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1894.208 1899.36 1894.23 1899.24 So maybe we can just integrate it on th on one side , the double R_ . 1898.32 1899.24 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1897.84 1898.192 1897.86 1898.16 Mm . 1898.16 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1899.328 1901.68 1899.37 1901.68 Okay yeah , yeah . That's actually good idea , so 1899.91 1900.24 1901.48 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1899.728 1900.151 1899.75 1900.03 Yeah . 1900.03 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1900.606 1901.279 1900.83 1901.1 Mm . 1901.1 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1902.49 1909.072 1902.64 1909.0 So we have the logo , we have the colour , and we have the fashion in electronics , so we have the slogan too . 1903.94 1905.29 1907.62 1909.0 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1906.817 1908.296 1906.9 1908.296 So we have to give a - IS1003d C MIO035 2 1909.6 1912.224 1909.62 1912.19 So we have give him give it a cute name . 1912.19 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1913.084 1914.644 1913.21 1914.54 Cute na - IS1003d A FIO017 0 1913.248 1922.816 1913.29 1922.75 Yeah th no , it's the it's the pineapple control remote control . It's a pineapple now , it has changed . It's a pineapple . Pineapple . 1914.75 1918.21 1919.38 1920.53 1922.04 1922.75 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1913.271 1915.36 1913.38 1915.32 Mush mushroom controller . 1915.32 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1916.656 1920.372 1916.68 1920.26 You cannot say mushroom because it's not the trend . It's not the trend . 1919.15 1920.26 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1918.0 1921.323 1918.02 1921.23 It's not a mushroom . It's a pineapple remote controls . 1919.49 1921.23 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1921.412 1921.952 1921.64 1921.92 Pa - IS1003d C MIO035 2 1923.232 1923.984 1923.25 1923.95 Pine apple . 1923.95 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1924.272 1926.0 1924.34 1925.97 Yeah , pineapple remote remote control . 1924.54 1925.97 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1925.456 1927.408 1925.48 1927.408 Yeah , but just flying saucer , or 1925.63 1926.91 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1925.92 1927.584 1926.45 1927.55 With cherry on top . 1927.55 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1926.721 1930.628 1926.721 1930.628 Oh , that 1929.95 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1927.84 1929.368 1927.84 1929.14 Okay . 1929.14 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1929.84 1930.768 1929.87 1930.73 I would say flying saucer . 1930.73 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1931.04 1935.184 1931.06 1935.184 Oh unid uh unidentified remote control , so 1933.34 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1931.381 1933.864 1931.65 1933.64 It's more appropriate , somehow . 1932.85 1933.64 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1933.163 1935.056 1933.163 1934.65 Okay . 1934.65 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1936.464 1936.784 1936.48 1936.71 Okay . 1936.71 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1936.496 1939.264 1936.52 1939.23 That's that's pineapple remote control . I think it's fine . 1938.47 1939.23 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1939.309 1939.873 1939.6 1939.84 Mm . 1939.84 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1939.593 1940.414 1939.72 1940.34 Okay . 1940.34 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1939.823 1941.09 1940.06 1940.88 Will you buy one ? 1940.88 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1939.934 1950.259 1940.16 1950.259 Yeah . Yeah I will try I'll try . I can hel I will try versions so to see how easy easy to manage 1941.53 1946.54 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1942.592 1947.345 1942.592 1947.345 Try to . Okay uh 1944.15 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1943.984 1946.445 1944.0 1945.43 Twenty five Euro . 1945.43 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1948.095 1949.062 1948.095 1949.01 Okay . 1949.01 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1949.632 1955.136 1949.65 1955.01 Yeah you told me you h you d you d you lost your control your T_V_ so so you need to buy one . 1955.01 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1950.832 1959.053 1950.832 1959.053 Yeah I always lose my Yeah , so so i if it is a universal one I can use it with my T_V_ , so it would be 1953.95 1957.75 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1957.91 1958.936 1958.08 1958.936 Okay . 1958.84 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1958.208 1966.719 1958.208 1966.47 One thing I like is the shape , because you know it's not like the uh the remote controls you can put in your pocket , on uh in your jacket . 1960.3 1965.36 1966.47 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1958.4 1958.768 1958.42 1958.73 Mm . 1958.73 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1962.432 1964.433 1962.86 1964.34 Traditional one ? Yeah . 1964.16 1964.34 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1965.371 1975.776 1965.69 1975.5 So this one and this one . What do you choose ? What do you choose ? 1967.14 1974.75 1975.5 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1969.418 1978.663 1969.71 1978.52 I prefer the laser remote control . No . 1977.16 1978.52 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1970.024 1978.256 1970.024 1978.22 I think I would choose this one because of the colour . It's 1977.77 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1978.176 1978.544 1978.2 1978.49 Okay . 1978.49 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1978.774 1981.984 1978.97 1981.87 it's will enlight your house , your home and your T_V_ , so . 1980.54 1981.69 1981.87 IS1003d C MIO035 2 1982.576 1982.896 1982.6 1982.85 Okay . 1982.85 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1983.083 1983.821 1983.28 1983.49 Yeah . 1983.49 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1983.095 1987.648 1983.52 1987.59 Oh . Maybe next if we decide to do something we'd can put light inside . 1983.99 1987.59 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1988.144 1990.504 1988.16 1990.34 Yeah , yeah that would be uh an idea . 1988.57 1990.34 IS1003d D MIO023 3 1988.887 1995.549 1989.19 1995.36 Yeah but that's going to be expensive , you know . We had some problems going to twelve Euros and uh I dunno . 1990.38 1991.16 1995.36 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1990.688 1991.136 1990.71 1991.1 Yeah . 1991.1 IS1003d B MIO005 1 1991.824 1994.332 1991.824 1994.332 . 1994.332 IS1003d A FIO017 0 1992.689 2003.36 1992.91 2003.32 I think it it would be interesting to just to see if we can if people will buy this one , and maybe add some features to it after yeah . 1999.93 2003.32 IS1003d D MIO023 3 2000.848 2002.978 2000.87 2002.6 Yeah , afterwards , if 2001.37 2001.97 IS1003d C MIO035 2 2002.272 2003.851 2002.29 2003.68 Yeah . Yeah . 2002.52 2003.68 IS1003d D MIO023 3 2003.776 2005.358 2003.86 2005.07 if it's a new trend . 2005.07 IS1003d D MIO023 3 2007.744 2008.128 2007.76 2008.07 Okay . 2008.07 IS1003d B MIO005 1 2008.32 2012.592 2008.32 2012.56 Yeah that's that fine . So we can celebrate now . That's our new product . 2010.14 2011.76 2012.56 IS1003d A FIO017 0 2008.608 2009.536 2008.63 2009.536 So - IS1003d A FIO017 0 2012.784 2017.984 2013.26 2017.984 Champagne , mister Baba . 2014.7 2017.48 IS1003d D MIO023 3 2013.656 2014.887 2013.82 2014.74 We should celebrate . 2014.74 IS1003d B MIO005 1 2013.872 2018.834 2013.872 2018.834 Yes . It's it's fine . It's 2017.44 2018.26 IS1003d B MIO005 1 2019.968 2020.893 2019.99 2020.79 I like it . 2020.79 IS1003d B MIO005 1 2022.366 2027.856 2022.366 2027.82 Next time . Well , I'll buy one here . 2026.79 2026.97 2027.82 IS1003d C MIO035 2 2023.184 2027.221 2023.2 2027.221 So buy one . 2027.01 IS1003d C MIO035 2 2028.144 2028.576 2028.16 2028.576 Yeah . 2028.45 IS1003d A FIO017 0 2030.476 2031.2 2030.8 2031.2 So - IS1003d D MIO023 3 2037.409 2038.312 2037.8 2038.02 Mm . 2038.02 IS1003d A FIO017 0 2037.843 2042.907 2038.58 2042.73 Okay , I will close this . Mm . 2039.39 2042.1 2042.73 IS1003d B MIO005 1 2042.512 2043.456 2042.54 2043.37 Yeah . No ? 2043.24 2043.37 IS1003d A FIO017 0 2045.385 2053.696 2045.385 2053.65 So I think we have finished the designing and the evaluation of our remote control - IS1003d B MIO005 1 2049.248 2049.68 2049.27 2049.64 Okay . 2049.64 IS1003d B MIO005 1 2053.616 2054.056 2053.65 2053.9 Okay . 2053.9 IS1003d D MIO023 3 2054.128 2054.933 2054.17 2054.72 Yeah . 2054.72 IS1003d A FIO017 0 2054.992 2059.76 2055.18 2059.7 and we have a nearly final product . 2059.7 IS1003d D MIO023 3 2059.94 2064.286 2060.38 2064.17 Our final prototype which yeah . 2064.17 IS1003d B MIO005 1 2061.328 2063.838 2061.54 2063.62 Final prototype , yeah , ye yeah . 2062.31 2062.89 2063.62 IS1003d A FIO017 0 2062.032 2071.385 2062.07 2071.19 Final prototype , right . So , thank you very much . Very productive . 2063.0 2065.45 2066.87 2070.23 2071.19 IS1003d C MIO035 2 2063.319 2064.464 2063.56 2064.2 Prototype , yeah . 2064.05 2064.2 IS1003d C MIO035 2 2066.704 2066.976 2066.74 2066.92 Okay . 2066.92 IS1003d B MIO005 1 2067.481 2069.728 2067.71 2069.63 Okay . Okay . 2069.42 2069.63 IS1003d C MIO035 2 2069.184 2069.456 2069.2 2069.42 Okay . 2069.42 IS1003d C MIO035 2 2071.12 2072.519 2071.12 2072.37 Okay . Thanks . 2071.75 2072.37 IS1003d B MIO005 1 2083.012 2086.16 2083.26 2085.7 S so who is going to take the remote control ? 2085.7 IS1004a A MIO019 0 35.76 41.168 35.76 40.85 Okay . Good morning everybody . Oh , everybody is not ready . 37.2 39.18 39.87 40.85 IS1004a C MIO022 2 38.182 39.216 38.38 38.87 Good morning . 38.87 IS1004a B MIE090 1 41.071 42.264 41.21 42.1 Uh almost . 42.1 IS1004a B MIE090 1 43.744 44.928 43.76 44.87 Ready . 44.87 IS1004a A MIO019 0 43.856 55.275 43.88 54.46 Alright . Okay , let's go . So , we're here today to to have our first kick-off meeting about uh this new project we're going to tak to talk about in a few minutes . 45.05 45.32 46.26 47.53 54.46 IS1004a A MIO019 0 55.275 64.446 55.57 64.446 Um so I will be uh Sebastian the Project Manager . Um you are the 61.65 IS1004a B MIE090 1 63.92 66.752 64.03 66.7 I'm uh Michael . I'm the user interface designer . 65.14 66.7 IS1004a A MIO019 0 66.864 67.344 66.88 67.31 Okay . 67.31 IS1004a D MIO047 3 67.326 70.112 67.69 70.08 Hi I'm Guillermo . I'm the Marketing Expert . 68.8 70.08 IS1004a C MIO022 2 70.627 73.248 70.82 73.08 And I am Hemant , the industrial designer . 72.06 73.08 IS1004a A MIO019 0 73.248 80.695 73.27 80.37 Okay , very good . Thanks for being here . Um so let's have a look to the the agenda . 73.57 74.79 76.73 80.37 IS1004a A MIO019 0 80.695 101.424 81.71 101.39 So , we are going to go through this agenda uh and mainly first to uh to make to to be used to the tools uh available in this nice and smart meeting room we have here . Um then we'll go to uh the plans for project and have general discussions about it . 82.72 95.7 101.39 IS1004a A MIO019 0 103.434 119.552 103.9 119.5 So , the goal of this project is to uh developed a new remote control . Um it should be original , trendy , and also user friendly . 104.8 112.42 115.54 117.17 119.5 IS1004a A MIO019 0 123.04 140.672 123.88 140.45 As usual we will follow the the project method um that we are using in the in our company . It is in three step as you know . First the functional design . The second's a conceptual design , and then the detailed design . 132.39 134.31 136.33 138.53 140.45 IS1004a A MIO019 0 140.672 162.688 140.97 162.65 During each step uh of each design we wi you will work uh s separately , individually on uh your specific tasks and will m we will meet to um to discuss and take decisions about uh what you've you've you did and what uh we will do next . 149.48 162.65 IS1004a A MIO019 0 165.36 188.528 165.38 187.96 So first , we have to to train ourself with all the um the tools availables in the in this nice meeting room and uh particularly the the white board so uh we are going to go through the white board and take some um s some notes or do some drawings . So who want to start ? 165.96 186.87 187.96 IS1004a B MIE090 1 191.744 193.44 191.76 193.41 Ah well if no one else wants to , yeah . 193.17 193.41 IS1004a A MIO019 0 191.477 193.32 191.98 193.22 Mister . 193.22 IS1004a B MIE090 1 194.64 203.296 194.66 202.6 Okay so , want me to draw my favourite animal . Let's see . 196.97 201.67 202.6 IS1004a B MIE090 1 214.032 223.104 216.28 223.104 Well , I don't really have a favourite animal , but um uh I think I have one in mind , so uh 216.53 218.15 222.41 IS1004a A MIO019 0 220.512 221.296 220.53 221.26 You have one in mind ? 221.26 IS1004a B MIE090 1 224.432 233.2 224.432 233.15 I'm gonna about the uh spider because you can actually draw it pretty well in the corner of a white board . 233.15 IS1004a B MIE090 1 234.56 236.976 234.65 236.83 The spider has a spider lives in a web - IS1004a B MIE090 1 241.264 243.68 241.264 243.51 and uh - IS1004a B MIE090 1 244.687 246.08 244.98 245.92 it has eight legs , 245.92 IS1004a B MIE090 1 247.152 255.243 248.07 254.84 and uh it can move all about the web in two dimensions . 254.84 IS1004a B MIE090 1 255.243 264.032 255.66 263.81 Unless it's a three dimensional web which y they have sometimes . There are some spiders that live in like that have like uh kind of a a big ball of a of a web . 257.97 263.81 IS1004a B MIE090 1 264.032 280.768 264.31 280.31 And uh the other thing is some spiders can actually uh fly like uh they have uh they let out like uh a stream of like the web building material but it's it acts like a parachute so they can actually kind of go and find new uh build a new web somewhere else . 280.31 IS1004a B MIE090 1 280.768 287.824 280.96 287.42 So I think they did this in uh in Charlotte's Web that movie that little uh well it's actually a book first but uh - IS1004a B MIE090 1 287.824 293.392 288.39 293.34 um at the end all the the spiders kinda flew away . So , that's my animal . 291.4 292.16 293.34 IS1004a A MIO019 0 291.648 299.772 291.67 299.34 Okay . Th thank you . Very interesting . Guillermo you want to ? 292.32 293.81 297.76 299.34 IS1004a D MIO047 3 301.039 303.77 301.039 303.77 'kay - IS1004a D MIO047 3 305.529 315.184 305.69 315.0 I dunno why , but when I was a child I I wanted to be a a panther not a pink panther , or maybe yes . 306.64 314.15 315.0 IS1004a C MIO022 2 313.675 316.502 313.89 316.35 But don't you think it's very difficult to draw a panther ? 316.35 IS1004a A MIO019 0 316.72 321.6 316.72 321.51 It would be very funny for us . 321.51 IS1004a D MIO047 3 317.104 318.563 317.12 318.36 Uh yeah yeah . 318.36 IS1004a C MIO022 2 318.102 319.309 318.19 319.22 So bad I don't like it . 319.22 IS1004a A MIO019 0 324.32 324.704 324.46 324.66 Oh . 324.66 IS1004a D MIO047 3 337.44 339.824 337.46 339.55 Okay it's a friendly panther . 339.55 IS1004a B MIE090 1 340.563 342.576 340.84 342.4 Maybe it's happy 'cause it just ate someone . 342.4 IS1004a D MIO047 3 343.472 347.152 343.59 347.02 Yeah maybe . 347.02 IS1004a D MIO047 3 349.883 351.68 350.21 351.59 Um . 351.59 IS1004a D MIO047 3 353.696 375.094 353.77 375.094 Actually , honestly I I I dunno what's what's his it's be behaviour , I dunno if if it's the male who who hunts or it's the female uh , I I I have watched that lions di didn't hunt it's the the female lions who who hunt , so but 354.52 360.68 366.42 372.51 IS1004a D MIO047 3 376.4 381.28 376.42 380.77 I like it because it's fast , and it's black as well , so it can 378.02 379.5 IS1004a D MIO047 3 383.2 400.368 383.3 400.21 he it can hide itself very easily and it's it's it looks like um powerful , strong , uh I dunno . 395.48 397.24 400.21 IS1004a D MIO047 3 400.368 412.416 400.58 412.38 I I watch a a film about a black panther when I was a child and I was in that age when everything was shocking me a lot . Okay . 411.99 412.38 IS1004a A MIO019 0 410.496 414.592 411.42 414.54 Okay . Thank you . Hemant . 411.8 412.62 414.54 IS1004a C MIO022 2 412.989 414.368 413.09 414.33 Um sure . 414.33 IS1004a B MIE090 1 425.776 431.057 426.51 431.057 So you don't like pink panthers ? 430.71 IS1004a D MIO047 3 428.688 430.77 428.99 430.71 I like it . 430.71 IS1004a C MIO022 2 446.816 448.208 446.85 448.17 Oh yeah . Thanks . 447.52 448.17 IS1004a C MIO022 2 449.888 455.344 449.91 453.97 This lapel is coming out once in a while . It's not very strong . 452.65 453.97 IS1004a C MIO022 2 457.328 468.848 457.35 468.18 Okay . So , not the favourite animal , but I think I'll draw elephant . I'll try to draw elephant . It's a problem . 458.14 460.06 461.13 463.79 467.32 468.18 IS1004a C MIO022 2 470.4 477.12 470.5 477.12 Okay , thanks . Okay so , elephant goes like this , 470.84 472.34 473.69 476.67 IS1004a C MIO022 2 478.304 479.504 478.38 479.41 and then it has - IS1004a C MIO022 2 482.064 487.904 482.08 487.85 four feet . I don't know whether there's any dist there should be any distance or not , but 484.56 487.38 IS1004a C MIO022 2 490.208 496.72 490.32 496.57 I think this is the easiest . And then we have it's trunk . 493.64 496.57 IS1004a C MIO022 2 499.136 499.808 499.21 499.72 And - IS1004a C MIO022 2 500.8 507.712 500.91 507.712 yep something like this . An eye , cute . Yeah , so 503.45 504.8 506.84 507.28 IS1004a A MIO019 0 507.853 512.251 508.04 512.1 Poor elephant . 512.1 IS1004a C MIO022 2 508.816 537.065 508.816 536.93 and sometimes they have a hump . It seems that uh elephants are pretty friendly and they they have one very important way a different way of walking . So when they walk , wherever they are going to put their first feet , the second feet will always be . When they'll come to that position the second , the third feet will be there . That's the way they walk . 513.77 524.34 526.78 529.45 531.24 533.8 535.85 536.93 IS1004a C MIO022 2 537.065 544.391 537.58 544.35 And that's very peculiar about them . None of the other animals walk like this . And they are very useful to human beings . 539.29 541.9 544.35 IS1004a C MIO022 2 544.391 556.445 544.51 555.8 At least few few hundred years ago when there was no means of transportations or something , or when they had to carry huge um loads from one place to another , elephants were very useful . 550.33 554.6 555.8 IS1004a C MIO022 2 556.445 570.652 557.16 570.48 And they are found in um usually the warm countries . And um they are the biggest terrestrial animal . That's what I know about them . So , that's what I wanted to tell about elephants . 561.79 566.14 567.38 568.43 570.48 IS1004a B MIE090 1 569.808 573.499 569.85 573.46 So is this uh an Indian or an African elephant , 'cause you haven't drawn the ears ? 572.38 573.46 IS1004a C MIO022 2 572.752 588.151 572.9 588.151 There are two kind of uh yeah , they are very different , Indian and African elephants . So Indian elephant is having one bump , I think , and the African have two . And then there's a difference in the trunk of the animals , these elephants who are Indian and 574.44 575.69 577.77 579.94 580.37 582.56 585.55 IS1004a C MIO022 2 588.151 594.755 588.39 594.755 So at some for some elephants it's the trunk is having one - IS1004a C MIO022 2 594.755 596.128 595.16 596.09 Do we have some message there ? 596.09 IS1004a A MIO019 0 596.512 603.856 596.53 603.28 Yes . We have to I have to catch you , sorry . We have to to go through the meeting . Thank you . 597.23 599.18 599.78 602.46 603.28 IS1004a C MIO022 2 598.384 602.192 598.4 602.14 Wind up ? Okay , some other time . Thank you . 599.64 600.71 601.8 602.14 IS1004a B MIE090 1 601.524 602.232 601.55 602.15 Okay . 602.15 IS1004a B MIE090 1 603.712 605.232 603.79 605.0 We can discuss that off-line . 605.0 IS1004a A MIO019 0 604.896 609.616 605.3 609.5 Yeah we'll discuss a f a fly or do we'll do another meeting abo on elephants . 609.5 IS1004a C MIO022 2 608.928 609.996 608.95 609.88 Thanks . 609.88 IS1004a A MIO019 0 609.616 628.096 609.616 628.04 So so another important part of the project is about money , uh and about so about finances . So we should target selling price of twenty-five Euro for this remote control 617.7 621.26 IS1004a A MIO019 0 629.136 642.14 629.16 641.76 and uh we have um which which would generate a profit of of um fifty million Euros , okay . And we should target the inter an international market . 638.19 638.75 641.76 IS1004a B MIE090 1 641.664 644.496 642.17 644.42 So could I just ask one question , um 644.1 IS1004a B MIE090 1 645.616 652.592 645.64 652.56 is this a stand-alone unit that we're gonna be selling ? So it's gonna be you already have a T_V_ but you're buying an extra remote control for it or something ? 648.31 652.56 IS1004a A MIO019 0 653.104 657.364 653.12 657.31 O this is the next topic we have to discuss exactly , so let's go to it . 656.16 657.31 IS1004a B MIE090 1 655.216 656.176 655.28 656.12 Okay , alright . 655.9 656.12 IS1004a A MIO019 0 657.364 675.024 657.78 674.99 So um we should decide which kind of remote control we want to uh we want to uh we want to go . Should be should should it be um specific remote control to some specific device ? Should it be a universal one ? And uh etcetera . 665.49 670.66 673.38 674.99 IS1004a A MIO019 0 676.176 685.024 676.3 684.99 So um so I'm waiting for your for your inputs very quickly because we have only three three minutes to go . 684.99 IS1004a B MIE090 1 686.608 697.647 686.63 697.647 Okay well , so , it seems the the first thing that they've kinda specified is the price like based on how much profit we wanna make , which seems to 687.54 688.64 696.43 IS1004a B MIE090 1 697.647 707.632 698.27 707.6 a kind of a little strange if we don't know what the the product is yet , but I guess if that's if that's the requirement that we need to to design the the product to actually fit that 700.84 IS1004a B MIE090 1 708.704 721.344 708.72 721.344 that price bracket so , I guess we're gonna need to find out what's actually you know , what people ar are willing to pay for um what kind of product they're expecting for twenty-five Euro because it seems quite a lot for a remote control , so it's 710.93 713.56 720.9 IS1004a A MIO019 0 718.915 719.772 719.19 719.65 Okay . 719.65 IS1004a A MIO019 0 720.555 734.306 720.95 734.25 Okay I think this is more a job to our market person yeah . So it should be the topic of maybe of the next meeting just to to have an overview of this and uh in which direction we should go . 726.09 734.25 IS1004a C MIO022 2 723.683 724.855 723.8 724.72 Marketing person . 724.72 IS1004a B MIE090 1 724.768 725.238 724.85 725.05 Yeah . 725.05 IS1004a C MIO022 2 725.795 726.313 725.93 726.23 Mm-hmm . 726.23 IS1004a A MIO019 0 734.306 743.628 734.46 743.43 So we need to close the meeting . Uh we'll have a new meeting soon and uh so the work every every of you ha have t d to do . 736.49 743.43 IS1004a A MIO019 0 743.628 758.085 743.79 757.99 So um you have to work on the on the working design , you have to uh work on the technical functions , and uh you have to work on us user requirements specs , alright ? 749.52 752.98 757.12 757.99 IS1004a D MIO047 3 757.227 758.102 757.5 757.91 Yeah . 757.91 IS1004a A MIO019 0 758.085 766.634 758.49 765.94 Um you will receive some information by emails , i as usual . Thanks for coming today . Thanks . 761.94 763.64 765.47 765.94 IS1004a B MIE090 1 764.512 766.934 764.53 766.63 Okay . Alright . 765.67 766.63 IS1004a C MIO022 2 764.736 765.448 764.98 765.38 Thanks . 765.38 IS1004b A MIO019 0 40.435 62.832 40.92 62.79 Okay everybody is ready ? Good morning again . So , today we are going to have a f second meeting . Oh Michael , hi . You're late . You have a good reason for that ? Very good . Okay , let's have a look to the agenda today . 42.52 45.26 45.83 48.38 49.77 50.19 51.8 56.4 59.74 60.11 62.79 IS1004b B MIE090 1 48.904 49.743 49.13 49.65 Yep . 49.65 IS1004b B MIE090 1 52.656 54.902 52.656 54.67 Yes . 54.67 IS1004b A MIO019 0 63.92 78.352 63.92 78.3 So , we are going to have a meeting about the functional design . Um so first before starting I w just going to uh to go quickly to through the minutes of previous meeting . 65.72 69.88 78.3 IS1004b A MIO019 0 79.648 95.68 80.01 95.54 So uh basically we we are not decided if w we should go for a universal or specific uh uh remote control , but I have new um new i inputs for about that topics . I goin I'm going to share with you . 89.45 93.71 95.54 IS1004b A MIO019 0 95.68 115.355 95.68 115.01 And uh basically we decided to um to uh go to individual actions for each of you uh so um Industrial Designer should wor was supposed to work on th on th on the working design . You showed us you ar you you prepare something for us ? 110.44 115.01 IS1004b C MIO022 2 110.032 110.406 110.06 110.24 Yep . 110.24 IS1004b C MIO022 2 113.435 114.902 113.64 114.78 Yeah . Yep . 114.63 114.78 IS1004b A MIO019 0 115.355 125.456 115.54 125.19 The U_I_ guy also uh work on that , yeah , and for the mar our Marketing Expert should deliver some specs . 120.79 121.42 125.19 IS1004b B MIE090 1 121.714 122.606 121.79 122.5 Mm . 122.5 IS1004b A MIO019 0 125.456 155.696 126.05 155.58 Alright so so we are going to go through three of your individual presentations . But first I would like quickly to uh to decide of to give a name to the project . So , I just put d quickly Remo , but if you have any o other names that we co could decide for just to to keep something fun for our project we we should we could discuss quickly . Any ideas ? 133.02 137.97 139.05 143.05 154.47 155.58 IS1004b C MIO022 2 156.256 156.912 156.29 156.82 Mm-hmm . 156.82 IS1004b B MIE090 1 155.936 157.76 156.53 157.61 Uh the Powerstick . 157.61 IS1004b A MIO019 0 157.941 159.712 157.941 159.66 Powerstick , yeah . 159.28 159.66 IS1004b A MIO019 0 161.136 161.6 161.16 161.56 What else ? 161.56 IS1004b A MIO019 0 165.648 166.24 165.67 166.15 What else ? 166.15 IS1004b D MIO047 3 167.52 169.568 167.61 169.568 Uh . 169.37 IS1004b B MIE090 1 169.841 176.101 170.08 176.03 Maybe a Spanish name would work well . Especially if we're selling into the U_S_ market becasue there's a lot of Spanish speakers there . 172.34 176.03 IS1004b D MIO047 3 171.312 173.584 171.46 173.584 Mm I was thinking of the - IS1004b B MIE090 1 177.84 183.719 177.86 183.43 Maybe something that sounds cool in English but sounds funny in Spanish . Mando . What is that ? 181.63 182.87 183.43 IS1004b D MIO047 3 180.093 181.2 180.56 181.17 Mando . 181.17 IS1004b A MIO019 0 182.864 186.16 182.88 186.11 Mango ? Mango ? Mando . M_A_ ? 183.65 184.98 185.56 186.11 IS1004b D MIO047 3 184.272 184.864 184.29 184.83 Mando . 184.83 IS1004b A MIO019 0 187.584 188.176 187.62 188.06 M_A_ ? 188.06 IS1004b D MIO047 3 188.208 190.736 188.26 190.67 A_N_ yeah D_O . 190.67 IS1004b A MIO019 0 190.017 192.144 190.23 192.11 M_ D_O_ . Mm , okay . 191.55 191.65 192.11 IS1004b D MIO047 3 192.832 199.168 192.85 199.168 It doesn't it doesn't sound cool for me , but maybe for a Spanish for I for 196.39 IS1004b A MIO019 0 194.912 195.596 194.93 195.55 What does it mean ? 195.55 IS1004b A MIO019 0 196.512 196.91 196.53 196.73 Oh . 196.73 IS1004b B MIE090 1 199.184 200.32 199.2 200.29 What does it mean in Spanish ? 200.29 IS1004b D MIO047 3 201.744 202.272 201.76 202.23 Control . 202.23 IS1004b B MIE090 1 202.64 211.539 202.66 211.539 Control . Okay . 'Cause it also like in English it sounds like you know the man's tool you know because you know men like to have control of the remote so it might 203.27 204.32 IS1004b A MIO019 0 203.248 204.596 203.27 204.54 Hmm . Nice . 204.24 204.54 IS1004b D MIO047 3 208.129 212.112 208.56 211.99 But mm , yeah . Mando sounds 209.57 210.84 IS1004b D MIO047 3 213.232 217.549 213.34 217.549 Latino . 217.35 IS1004b B MIE090 1 217.344 218.283 217.36 218.04 The Mando . 218.04 IS1004b A MIO019 0 217.536 218.08 217.56 218.04 Okay . 218.04 IS1004b A MIO019 0 219.28 221.296 219.28 221.26 So , let's go for Mando ? 220.27 221.26 IS1004b A MIO019 0 222.288 223.522 222.31 223.34 Yeah ? No objection ? 222.79 223.34 IS1004b C MIO022 2 222.528 223.504 222.68 223.4 Yeah , yeah . 223.2 223.4 IS1004b B MIE090 1 223.984 235.12 224.0 235.12 Yeah that's . And we could have some like you d you could have the fonts you know special , so you have man in like in in uh in one o in one font and then the O_ as like 225.57 229.32 IS1004b A MIO019 0 224.48 226.116 224.52 226.116 Great . So 225.65 IS1004b A MIO019 0 235.264 236.832 235.28 236.832 Okay , I think this is 235.95 IS1004b B MIE090 1 236.16 240.592 236.18 240.592 Although you don't wanna cut uh cut women out of the uh potential buyers though , do you ? So 239.84 240.22 IS1004b A MIO019 0 237.611 238.436 237.94 238.32 Okay . 238.32 IS1004b C MIO022 2 240.512 244.336 240.54 244.14 Yeah they are the most T_V_ watcher . So we should be careful . 243.07 244.14 IS1004b B MIE090 1 243.55 244.295 243.71 244.07 Yeah . 244.07 IS1004b A MIO019 0 244.272 256.092 244.29 256.03 Okay , I think this is more a question of of I I think this is more a question of of look and feel . Something that should be addressed later . We should we should go to other for the other topics . 244.7 250.99 253.38 256.03 IS1004b D MIO047 3 246.336 247.901 246.37 247.901 But yeah it uh - IS1004b B MIE090 1 246.616 247.578 246.73 247.26 Marketing . 247.26 IS1004b D MIO047 3 253.728 256.768 253.75 256.768 Yeah because if the product will be international - IS1004b B MIE090 1 257.264 261.204 257.45 261.204 Well that's the thing . We need to know who we're selling it to before we can really decide on a 258.02 IS1004b A MIO019 0 260.928 270.56 260.95 270.52 Yeah okay , so let's stick f to Man Mando for the name and we'll see for the for the look and feel later . So let's go for the three presentations right now . So , who want to start ? 261.53 267.0 269.45 269.74 270.52 IS1004b B MIE090 1 262.016 262.352 262.16 262.32 Um . 262.32 IS1004b D MIO047 3 272.501 275.52 272.92 275.48 Maybe maybe I should uh start . Yeah . 275.18 275.48 IS1004b A MIO019 0 272.687 275.689 272.99 275.43 So maybe we could start with the market , yeah . 275.0 275.43 IS1004b D MIO047 3 277.568 278.934 277.62 278.8 Mm . Okay . 278.4 278.8 IS1004b A MIO019 0 278.554 280.672 278.66 280.52 Okay so I have your slides somewhere ? 280.52 IS1004b D MIO047 3 280.864 281.12 280.88 281.05 Yeah . 281.05 IS1004b D MIO047 3 282.96 284.928 282.98 284.79 Should be in participant four . 284.79 IS1004b A MIO019 0 285.904 287.024 286.06 286.99 Participant four . 286.99 IS1004b A MIO019 0 291.728 293.552 291.728 293.52 This one ? 293.52 IS1004b D MIO047 3 292.912 293.856 293.11 293.82 Yeah , yeah . 293.65 293.82 IS1004b D MIO047 3 301.072 302.08 301.13 302.01 Uh . 302.01 IS1004b A MIO019 0 308.72 314.688 309.03 314.54 S that's coming . Uh okay . Great . 310.06 314.25 314.54 IS1004b B MIE090 1 311.537 312.303 311.78 312.08 Yeah . 312.08 IS1004b C MIO022 2 312.592 313.417 312.88 313.22 Yep . 313.22 IS1004b D MIO047 3 315.776 323.04 315.8 323.01 Okay so yeah I will I will give a brief outline about what I what I prepared for this meeting . 323.01 IS1004b A MIO019 0 323.184 323.536 323.21 323.49 Mm-hmm . 323.49 IS1004b D MIO047 3 324.137 327.408 324.16 327.3 For the functional requirements and especially for the - IS1004b D MIO047 3 328.656 343.44 329.0 343.41 for the user requirements . I prepare a marketing report and we have to find the weaknesses and and the the improvements we could do to the current remote controls . 330.82 343.41 IS1004b D MIO047 3 344.944 359.072 344.96 359.04 And also I di I did a study with for the incorporation of new technologies it seems that the remote controls have been have remained the same for the last five , ten years . There is no 356.92 358.34 IS1004b D MIO047 3 360.592 363.072 360.63 363.04 no significant difference - IS1004b D MIO047 3 364.096 368.125 364.13 368.125 between the the b the first new controls and - IS1004b A MIO019 0 368.448 370.832 368.64 370.72 Okay . Sh next slide ? Okay . 369.71 370.44 370.72 IS1004b D MIO047 3 369.552 370.717 369.57 370.6 Yeah . Yeah . 370.46 370.6 IS1004b D MIO047 3 372.448 389.537 372.47 389.45 Well more most of the people think that remote controls are ugly , thoroughly . So and they they admit that the the they should uh s they would uh spend more money in a fancier remote control , which is which is good and it's interesting point . 377.28 378.61 386.12 389.45 IS1004b D MIO047 3 390.454 410.065 390.53 409.76 Also the people are worried about about the R_S_I_ disease , which is if you repeat the sa the same movement , which is not a with a not very appropriate device , you you will have problems whe when you will get old . 397.12 401.14 406.75 409.76 IS1004b D MIO047 3 410.065 440.329 410.33 440.28 So s people are uh are worried about the the shape of the of the remote control . They are also they get angry very often because they lost the remote control very often , so I think it would be a good point to to l to to find a a solution to any beep any alarm or something incorporated to with the remote control every time it it get lost . 417.11 426.72 440.28 IS1004b A MIO019 0 440.448 440.848 440.47 440.81 Mm-hmm . 440.81 IS1004b D MIO047 3 441.68 452.848 441.83 452.81 And also I found that young people the the younger people are the more interested they are in incorporating new technologies in the in the remote control . 452.81 IS1004b A MIO019 0 454.9 455.767 455.12 455.47 Okay . 455.47 IS1004b D MIO047 3 457.776 461.456 457.8 461.39 So in my opinion the - IS1004b D MIO047 3 462.544 477.006 462.56 476.82 Mando this Mando shouldn't be very small because the smaller it is , the more like the the liklier it is to get lost . Liklier or more likely ? likely . Okay . 469.28 473.52 475.8 476.66 476.82 IS1004b B MIE090 1 475.04 477.136 475.06 477.136 More likely . 476.74 IS1004b D MIO047 3 477.744 496.24 477.76 496.13 Uh people also complain because they they they all have the same size of the buttons for buttons who w which are not very use like f uh memorising channels or or this kind of actions which are not very often but - IS1004b D MIO047 3 497.281 516.864 497.281 516.8 they they shouldn't they shouldn't have the same importance in the in the uh in the remote cont in the remote control . Also the z the design should fit the hand shape . So it may be interesting to to think in a in both prototypes , for right and left handed people . 505.98 509.65 513.92 516.8 IS1004b B MIE090 1 517.232 522.208 517.25 522.15 Well th the on the thing is though , most remote controls are used by more than one person . So 518.63 521.7 IS1004b B MIE090 1 523.328 528.752 523.52 528.72 unless you're kind of targeting single people you know you're gonna maybe - IS1004b D MIO047 3 529.872 530.544 529.872 530.51 Yeah . 530.51 IS1004b B MIE090 1 530.416 532.672 530.44 532.64 cut out some a lot of your market . 532.64 IS1004b D MIO047 3 533.168 545.58 534.19 545.33 I dunno I th Anyway I think it could be int interesting to to release some a a small fraction of of this remote controls . Sorry ? 545.01 545.33 IS1004b C MIO022 2 542.88 550.857 542.9 550.71 Well maybe it could be a universal design . A universal design , which is which is good for both the hands . Yeah ? 545.51 547.06 550.43 550.71 IS1004b D MIO047 3 549.904 550.096 549.92 550.06 Yeah . 550.06 IS1004b B MIE090 1 550.288 554.842 550.31 554.56 Still shaped for yeah for your hand but not for a particular hand , right ? 554.4 554.56 IS1004b C MIO022 2 553.472 563.04 553.49 562.97 That's right , whether it's left hand or right hand , but but don't you think that the two points are clashing , one thing you are saying design should fit the hand shape and it should not be very small ? 554.52 555.84 559.24 562.97 IS1004b D MIO047 3 554.224 554.464 554.24 554.43 Yeah . 554.43 IS1004b D MIO047 3 564.064 564.448 564.08 564.39 Sorry ? 564.39 IS1004b C MIO022 2 564.976 566.848 565.0 566.81 The first and the third point , they are clashing . 566.18 566.81 IS1004b B MIE090 1 566.848 569.52 566.87 569.42 Well it can still be a , you can still extend past the hand . 567.88 569.42 IS1004b D MIO047 3 568.623 569.254 568.74 568.97 Yeah . 568.97 IS1004b A MIO019 0 569.504 569.988 569.59 569.81 Yeah . 569.81 IS1004b C MIO022 2 570.192 574.256 570.21 574.22 Okay . So fitting the hand doesn't mean much then . 571.25 574.22 IS1004b D MIO047 3 570.48 571.2 570.5 571.2 Like uh - IS1004b B MIE090 1 570.574 571.087 570.84 570.98 Uh . 570.98 IS1004b B MIE090 1 574.72 585.536 574.77 585.5 Well it means like , this remote here is kind of is very thin and long so instead of having you know you might have it kind of a bit bigger or , you know , with maybe some some finger molds or something . 575.55 582.55 582.77 585.5 IS1004b C MIO022 2 578.701 579.536 578.84 579.5 Mm-hmm mm-hmm . 579.5 IS1004b D MIO047 3 581.184 582.251 581.29 582.251 Yeah , like 581.59 IS1004b C MIO022 2 583.728 590.064 583.77 590.0 Mm-hmm mm-hmm mm-hmm . So it means design should be similar to the traditional ones ? Little sleek , longer ? 585.41 588.68 589.54 590.0 IS1004b D MIO047 3 591.136 596.393 591.16 596.33 No no I was thinking of so like something yeah . 596.33 IS1004b C MIO022 2 591.119 592.558 591.33 592.47 And it should fit the hand . 592.47 IS1004b A MIO019 0 593.856 596.679 594.64 596.64 Something with the shape of the palm ? 596.64 IS1004b C MIO022 2 596.336 597.504 596.36 597.47 Mm-hmm mm-hmm mm-hmm . 597.47 IS1004b B MIE090 1 597.456 604.096 597.52 604.096 Some finger grips maybe . You could even have some buttons like you know on the sides and everything , but 598.6 603.5 IS1004b D MIO047 3 597.504 598.236 597.53 598.06 Yeah . 598.06 IS1004b A MIO019 0 601.636 602.738 601.7 602.33 On the sides . 602.33 IS1004b D MIO047 3 601.76 607.925 601.78 607.69 Yeah yeah . It sh it shouldn't it shouldn't be symmetric symmetrical . Not anymore . That's what yeah . 602.04 605.43 607.09 607.69 IS1004b C MIO022 2 605.04 607.104 605.08 607.06 Mm-hm mm-hmm mm-hmm . 607.06 IS1004b A MIO019 0 608.912 609.952 608.93 609.952 And then finally - IS1004b D MIO047 3 609.865 619.712 609.97 619.66 And finally , the incorporation of a L_C_D_ or a speech recognition system in the remote control could also be interesting , but I don't know if the budget 611.8 617.95 IS1004b D MIO047 3 620.704 622.527 620.77 622.3 would be large enough . 622.3 IS1004b B MIE090 1 620.658 621.567 620.84 621.31 Yeah . 621.31 IS1004b A MIO019 0 621.458 626.976 621.62 626.976 Yeah . First I'm just wondering about the L_C_D_ stuff because uh because 622.11 IS1004b D MIO047 3 624.704 633.408 624.72 633.36 But most of yeah most of the young people to thirty to thirty years old were really interested in this kind of technology . 633.36 IS1004b A MIO019 0 633.584 652.752 633.6 652.72 Yeah , so maybe it's a good time for me to uh to bring you to some new uh new informations . We had the new requirements from the so uh from the head offices of the company , and so they wanted so they want to um they would like to be restricted to T_V_ . 633.98 640.82 646.84 652.72 IS1004b B MIE090 1 653.584 653.92 653.6 653.88 Yeah . 653.88 IS1004b A MIO019 0 654.08 667.101 654.12 667.101 Okay , I dunno if you had this information already . No , so they want us to restrict the remote control to T_V_ only because of time limitations . Um they want also uh 654.33 656.67 657.12 663.63 IS1004b B MIE090 1 656.16 656.624 656.24 656.53 No . 656.53 IS1004b D MIO047 3 666.079 670.615 666.36 670.34 Actually this marketing report is restricted to T_V_ remote controls . 670.34 IS1004b A MIO019 0 670.288 680.16 670.31 680.13 Excellent . So we have also to focus more on the internet aspects because well well te teletext is outdated now 671.41 IS1004b A MIO019 0 681.456 692.581 681.48 692.36 and uh finally , it should be clear that the corporate image , that means colours and logos of the co our company should be clearly inde identified in the product . 683.61 685.98 692.36 IS1004b B MIE090 1 693.312 710.304 693.312 710.26 I was still uh I was still working on this uh twenty five Euro price point because I think actually having looked at some of the remotes out there , this is quite a low uh price if if we're maybe I can get to this in my presentation though , but um yeah . 702.7 709.22 710.26 IS1004b A MIO019 0 693.424 693.86 693.44 693.86 So - IS1004b A MIO019 0 709.584 720.02 709.6 719.7 Yeah yeah . Sure sure . So maybe we can jump to your presentations , right now . Okay so let's keep in mind about tha that that this last point about L_C_D_ and speech uh reco 710.28 710.75 713.36 714.01 IS1004b B MIE090 1 713.024 713.824 713.05 713.78 Yep . Okay . 713.51 713.78 IS1004b B MIE090 1 718.8 730.784 718.83 730.784 Yeah . I think even even if it was within budget do a speech reco rec system it might be a bit difficult because if you think if you're watching T_V_ you're gonna have a lot of this uh background noise from the T_V_ which might interfere with the 719.34 IS1004b A MIO019 0 730.704 732.064 730.72 731.8 Sorry , what is your ? 731.04 731.8 IS1004b B MIE090 1 732.464 733.632 732.48 733.6 Uh participant three . 733.6 IS1004b B MIE090 1 734.736 741.033 734.76 740.86 You might have some background noise from the T_V_ which will make the speech recognition much uh harder , so . 740.57 740.86 IS1004b D MIO047 3 737.846 747.467 738.61 747.4 Yeah but you should be able to activate or disactivate , so yeah yeah . Yeah uh channel fifty . 742.37 745.54 747.4 IS1004b B MIE090 1 743.313 748.862 743.313 748.862 Oh you press a press a button to talk , and the the T_V_ the T_V_ sound turns off . 745.26 748.57 IS1004b D MIO047 3 748.126 748.732 748.31 748.54 Yeah . 748.54 IS1004b C MIO022 2 748.464 755.168 748.48 755.12 No it could be command control kind of thing . It requir recognises particular sequence and then it gets activated . 750.92 755.12 IS1004b C MIO022 2 756.304 780.384 756.32 780.22 Means you say you should say like does that , remote control being on or be on kind of thing , and then remote control comes in the picture for the speech recognition . Because this kind of thing means speech is there from the T_V_ also . So there should be something command controlled , you start and then you stop . It's like V_I_ editor , you are having two modes similarly . Otherwise it's just lying idle . 758.6 763.08 766.83 770.89 773.38 775.64 776.64 778.81 780.22 IS1004b B MIE090 1 766.56 766.832 766.58 766.8 Yeah . 766.8 IS1004b B MIE090 1 770.785 771.534 770.85 771.08 Yeah . 771.08 IS1004b B MIE090 1 773.629 775.536 773.82 775.5 Mm . Yeah . 775.31 775.5 IS1004b A MIO019 0 780.256 781.376 780.79 781.29 Okay Michael . 781.29 IS1004b B MIE090 1 781.904 786.656 781.92 786.656 Okay , so , could I describe the mouse maybe be easier to could I use the mouse , or 782.22 782.51 786.33 IS1004b A MIO019 0 784.471 784.976 784.52 784.79 Sorry ? 784.79 IS1004b A MIO019 0 786.576 787.76 786.6 787.73 Um yeah . 787.73 IS1004b B MIE090 1 787.872 789.468 787.94 789.31 Mm . Thanks . 788.81 789.31 IS1004b B MIE090 1 791.007 792.048 791.21 791.75 Okay . 791.75 IS1004b A MIO019 0 793.824 794.823 793.85 794.73 The wheel doesn't work . 794.73 IS1004b B MIE090 1 794.864 822.248 794.864 822.06 Great . Okay so um while uh researching this this topic I first of all just thought of a couple of things that I would like to see in a remote , and just uh looked to see if they're actually available in any current remotes , and then also searched for which are the top-rated uh remote controls on Epinions dot com , which is a a you know a a customer um written basically review site . 797.61 805.07 809.46 814.84 822.06 IS1004b B MIE090 1 822.248 836.272 822.94 836.24 So um there's a pretty wide range of uh remote controls these days and and uh this remote control on the right here is is one of the more extravagant , but it's not really it's by no means uh 833.69 IS1004b B MIE090 1 837.346 855.689 837.46 855.43 mm you know on it's own in being so expensive . There are a lot of expensive remote controls out there . So yeah it doe it's well basically all the functions uh are controlled through through the L_C_D_ screen except for the really really kind of main functions , which have a couple of of their own buttons . 840.47 843.21 853.16 855.43 IS1004b A MIO019 0 841.394 844.617 841.394 844.17 Looks like a P_D_A_ ? 844.17 IS1004b B MIE090 1 855.689 878.019 855.88 877.79 Um and if you look at a lot of the universal remotes out um on the market , I know we're working on television remote , but a lot of the universal remotes out there have uh have these L_C_D_ screens which kind of helps when you're using multiple uh devices I suppose because you can have multiple kind of functions d different functions on the screen at different times . 862.15 864.13 877.79 IS1004b B MIE090 1 878.019 895.022 878.56 895.022 But um the thing that I find most interesting about this remote control , and it's kind of difficult to uh to see in the slide , but it has a scroll wheel on it , which is kind of like uh a mouse scroll wheel , which I think is it's a really kind of important design aspect um is it's 881.71 884.14 886.85 889.52 IS1004b B MIE090 1 895.022 908.816 895.26 908.78 'Cause the thing is what a what we the presen this presentation we had is what we want the remote control to actually do . And obviously the the simplest thing that a remote control does is it just change the change the channel . Now um 900.76 907.13 IS1004b C MIO022 2 905.29 907.016 905.45 906.88 Change the channels . Yeah . 906.7 906.88 IS1004b B MIE090 1 910.416 935.623 910.44 935.59 uh the I think that a scroll wheel is actually pretty a pretty handy way of of changing the channel . 'Cause I know when I um when I use the remote to change the channel I very rarely use the numbers on the on the pad . I usually use the up and down because most channels are you know two digit numbers and you have to press you know a special button to enter a two-digit number , and then two numbers , so that's just uh it's annoying . So I think a scroll wheel is is quite handy . 915.66 922.5 930.78 931.89 933.23 935.59 IS1004b C MIO022 2 921.982 924.256 922.2 924.22 Mmm-hmm mm-hmm . Yeah yeah . 923.81 924.22 IS1004b B MIE090 1 935.623 948.704 935.67 948.67 Now um the the scroll wheel is is much more useful if you have an L_C_D_ screen , and this brings us to the the point you were mentioning before about the internet uh capability . 943.24 948.67 IS1004b A MIO019 0 948.736 949.152 948.77 949.11 Mm-hmm . 949.11 IS1004b B MIE090 1 949.76 957.088 949.78 957.05 One possibility , if we now we need to still talk about the price point because obviously a lot of this stuff can't be done for twenty five Eu uh Euro , but 950.93 956.84 IS1004b B MIE090 1 958.08 979.198 958.1 978.75 one possibility is to download program information into the L_C_D_ screen so that instead of actually saying I want to I want to go to channel thirty seven because I know this programme's on , you know , often you don't know what ch what channel it's on , or you don't know what's on . If you have a list of of programs on your L_C_D_ screen you just scroll to that program rather than to a channel . 968.96 969.23 971.32 973.37 978.75 IS1004b B MIE090 1 979.198 993.81 979.65 993.56 So if you think about it's kind of like a you know in mobile phones now you don't use you don't remember people's phone number , you remember their name and you go find that name and ring it . So this would be pretty kind of a handy thing to have , but um we we really need t to discuss the price . 984.97 988.24 990.95 993.56 IS1004b B MIE090 1 993.81 1017.269 994.2 1016.89 So , I mean there are there are uh cheaper this is another multi kinda purpose remote control where it's it's it's very simple , there's only a few buttons , but al each of those buttons does something different in a different context . So this is something else we might wanna consider , is really kind of limiting the number of buttons , because this is the top rating uh universal remote control on on Epinions . 994.81 1003.68 1004.76 1008.95 1010.3 1012.91 1016.89 IS1004b B MIE090 1 1017.269 1029.992 1017.8 1029.88 It it's really uh maybe worth thinking about limiting the number of buttons as much as as possible um because really I think people want to be able to find the button they're looking for without even looking at the remote control . 1029.88 IS1004b B MIE090 1 1029.992 1048.262 1030.16 1048.262 And was saying before about having different size buttons for different you know frequently used uh tasks , but I think also you know the location and and shape of the buttons is important , but also the number of buttons . So if you have too many buttons it it it increases the the difficulty of finding the one you want . So 1036.01 1040.45 1042.02 1047.86 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1047.152 1055.488 1047.19 1055.45 But there is one problem then the user has to understand each of that functionality . Because the same button is doing too many things . 1053.4 1055.45 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1052.247 1052.914 1052.43 1052.73 Mm-hmm . 1052.73 IS1004b B MIE090 1 1052.896 1053.792 1052.92 1053.76 Yeah well we w - IS1004b B MIE090 1 1055.408 1074.885 1055.43 1074.66 Yeah well we will have a bit of a simpler uh task in that we're only doing uh a television remote control . Um I think maybe one option is to have you know a little flip-open um door that uh that you have hidden most of the time , but contains the extra buttons like , say , the number buttons for instance . Um 1062.75 1070.27 1071.76 1072.28 1074.15 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1073.568 1073.952 1073.61 1073.91 Mm-hmm . 1073.91 IS1004b B MIE090 1 1074.885 1108.368 1074.885 1108.368 I I would if I had my perfect remote control , I'd probably just have no numbers at all on it because they're just in the way . They don't really do anything . Maybe you know I although I do also find flip-open doors a bit of a pain because sometimes they can break off or or whatever , but maybe a door that you can you can permanantly remove or permanantly have on would be good . Um but I think definitely you need to to keep the buttons down to a minimum , but not not let that kind of interfere with the functionality of of the device . Um 1078.89 1082.92 1084.51 1091.23 1096.72 1102.48 1107.76 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1081.008 1081.328 1081.03 1081.29 Mm-hmm . 1081.29 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1094.56 1094.928 1094.6 1094.89 Mm-hmm . 1094.89 IS1004b D MIO047 3 1107.805 1131.148 1107.97 1131.148 H I think I think that the tr the transition to this to this new remote control shouldn't be very very abrupt very hard because w if people see a remo see the see a remote control without numbers mm they will think it's very difficult to learn very difficult to very different build very different to the traditional - IS1004b C MIO022 2 1126.96 1129.04 1127.2 1128.99 It does sampling out of the . 1128.99 IS1004b B MIE090 1 1129.476 1142.678 1129.476 1142.42 Well I guess that depends on how you market it . If you if you have the right advertisement showing how how how easy it is and how you can , you know , navigate to a program without the numbers , then people might say that looks pretty easy . 1131.86 1137.26 1137.98 1139.59 1142.42 IS1004b D MIO047 3 1135.263 1136.239 1135.44 1136.2 If y - IS1004b A MIO019 0 1142.336 1144.864 1142.91 1144.82 Okay , can you continue , please Mi ? 1143.54 1144.47 1144.82 IS1004b B MIE090 1 1142.678 1163.048 1143.14 1162.82 So , but yep . Um okay , so , I think um one of the really kind of useful things you can do with with internet connectivity would be to have this a programme driven interface rather than the channel number . So if we can have a higher priced uh remote control I think that would really be worth uh something that would be worth implementing . 1143.66 1145.03 1145.85 1146.84 1156.12 1162.82 IS1004b B MIE090 1 1163.048 1184.445 1163.49 1184.21 Um mm there's the L_C_D_ screen , um which maybe maybe is too expensive , um but I think also at the scroll wheel , I haven't mentioned it here , the scroll wheel could be used without an L_C_D_ screen , just for changing channel numbers easily . I think even that , I mean , that would be a fairly cheap thing , compared to an L_C_D_ screen , to implement , um but I think that would be quite useful as well . 1166.42 1169.3 1171.38 1172.14 1174.59 1177.67 1178.44 1178.69 1180.09 1181.22 1182.36 1184.21 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1180.705 1181.471 1180.98 1181.41 Mm-hmm . 1181.41 IS1004b B MIE090 1 1184.445 1215.008 1184.62 1214.97 And the other thing , you say we need to we need to keep it just television , but I think one maybe one option , since this is supposed to be a kind of a fashionable device , is you know there's a certain kind of cool or wow factor that you can kind of you can have with technology , and maybe we wanna make it something that's extensible to do other tasks . Say you have like um a little another little kind of base unit that can also receive signals as well as the television where you can , say uh , change the lighting in the room . 1185.41 1188.08 1190.48 1193.88 1200.11 1204.7 1212.94 1213.73 1214.97 IS1004b B MIE090 1 1216.08 1244.352 1216.1 1244.32 You know that would be something maybe you could sell as an extra , so that it doesn't have to be part of the initial development , but , you know , later on you could you can you know you also , selling the potential of the device . Then you say potentially you can then do other cool stuff like change the lights , I dunno , close the windows , whatever , turn the heating on , and um , I think that's something we may need to have as as at least as an optional extra to to kinda make our product cool , since we say we're putting the fashion in electronics . 1219.03 1222.3 1222.47 1222.71 1225.42 1226.86 1231.22 1231.8 1232.62 1233.0 1234.72 1235.78 1242.15 1244.32 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1241.704 1243.196 1241.81 1243.196 Okay . 1242.74 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1244.464 1246.208 1244.48 1246.15 Okay . Okay , thanks . 1245.58 1245.82 1246.15 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1246.886 1248.906 1246.886 1248.69 you want to go ? 1248.69 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1247.39 1249.088 1247.47 1249.05 Yep . So yeah . 1248.15 1249.05 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1255.216 1261.92 1255.24 1261.89 So most of the things which we are discussing about is speech recognition uh , that means on my own I yeah , it should be . 1259.08 1261.52 1261.89 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1260.037 1260.802 1260.17 1260.49 This one ? 1260.49 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1264.736 1266.56 1264.76 1266.51 Great . No , not that one . 1265.49 1266.04 1266.51 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1268.304 1269.248 1268.304 1269.19 you are two . 1269.19 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1269.225 1269.671 1269.34 1269.44 Two . 1269.44 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1272.608 1274.0 1272.63 1274.0 Alright . 1273.76 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1273.952 1301.76 1273.97 1301.69 Okay so the working design is uh user i interface could be of two types , one is the usual press buttons which are there so that the user feels that he is knoing doing some he is knowing about that technology . So he is pretty comfortable if he wants to get this , and on top of that there there could be a speech recognition technology also being sitting on the on the remote . So the old kind of users who don't want to have any changes , it can 1278.34 1287.65 1290.43 1297.58 1301.25 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1303.168 1312.848 1303.19 1312.78 it can be useful for them , and the new users , as uh our Marketing Expert was saying , they can use the new gizmo which is speech recognition kind of thing . 1304.69 1306.24 1309.31 1312.78 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1312.784 1318.64 1312.9 1318.61 Okay , sorry to interrupt you , but we have seen before that there is a new way of interacting that use wheel . 1313.11 1314.07 1318.61 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1318.944 1348.264 1319.15 1348.03 That's right . So anyway , that didn't come into my mind , so th that is a possibility . These could be other kind of interfaces . Means we can have , depending on the cost , how much we can afford , we can have different kind of interfaces . So spe buttons are something which is very everybody is familiar with . So if you go to the market and you say that buttons are there the people know what it is , and on top of that if we are having extra functionality people are willing to shell that twenty-five Euros money which we are thinking . 1319.81 1320.48 1322.76 1324.47 1327.06 1328.06 1329.19 1330.7 1333.25 1336.86 1341.63 1348.03 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1322.656 1323.121 1322.68 1322.99 Okay . 1322.99 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1341.092 1341.916 1341.44 1341.76 Mm-hmm . 1341.76 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1348.264 1379.184 1348.71 1379.04 Otherwise we are just like others in the market . So anyway that is the first , user interface could be of more than one type , and uh yeah that means we can do the on-line changes which which cannot be done now actually . So apart from the speech , we can have the scroll kind of thing with the buttons . Now for buttons , normal requirements like bit coding and all those things are required . And for voice , limited vocabulary automatic speech recognition system is required and we require a microphone also to be sitting there on the remote . 1351.68 1353.44 1356.06 1361.22 1362.59 1365.68 1366.71 1370.12 1371.46 1379.04 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1379.376 1381.728 1379.4 1381.64 Yeah . That increases the the cost also . 1379.83 1381.64 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1382.032 1388.832 1382.05 1388.73 Uh that's right . But uh means we have to see how much what kind of microphones and stuff like that . 1382.95 1388.73 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1389.44 1396.736 1389.48 1396.7 Do you think that performance of such systems are enough to to target well of such technologies is enough ? 1396.7 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1397.04 1400.68 1397.32 1400.65 Uh yes , if it is limited vocabulary usually it's enough . 1398.01 1400.65 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1401.008 1401.44 1401.04 1401.41 Okay . 1401.41 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1401.616 1408.033 1401.64 1408.0 Yeah we we can uh target , means we can target ninety five percent accuracy or somewhere ninety seven perc 1404.09 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1407.072 1419.65 1407.09 1419.5 Well wh uh I imagine also that the microphone will be an ambiance um a um an ambience microphones because you are not going to speak into into th into the remote control . So it could be s a few centimetres . 1416.98 1419.5 IS1004b B MIE090 1 1408.781 1409.463 1408.81 1409.33 Hmm . 1409.33 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1413.312 1414.03 1413.34 1413.67 That's right . 1413.67 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1415.024 1417.44 1415.06 1417.44 No it it could be little d yeah it could be - IS1004b B MIE090 1 1418.833 1435.552 1418.833 1435.552 Well one one other thing that that speech recognition could really blow out the price for is uh when you want to sell into other markets , though , because , I'm not sure exactly where we're gonna sell this , but I presume it's not gonna just be English speaking countries . So then you have to s you know , you have to train models for 1426.8 1426.97 1427.9 1429.29 1432.43 1433.65 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1419.04 1420.208 1419.06 1420.0 That's right . That's right . 1419.55 1420.0 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1432.144 1432.848 1432.17 1432.52 Yeah . 1432.52 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1432.335 1433.376 1432.55 1433.34 Mm-hmm mm-hmm . 1433.34 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1435.315 1445.92 1435.5 1445.87 Uh it's more like , means there are different speech technologies which are existing so D_T_W_ could be kind of which is the easiest . So you have to store some templates on the on the 1436.93 1442.63 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1446.96 1456.544 1446.98 1456.51 on the chip itself , and it's just dynamic time warping where you try to find out what it is , instead of having a model which has to be trained and being a micro-controller . 1448.37 1452.48 1456.51 IS1004b B MIE090 1 1452.847 1453.697 1453.14 1453.35 Yeah . 1453.35 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1453.907 1454.572 1454.06 1454.41 Okay . 1454.41 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1456.64 1469.927 1456.78 1469.87 Okay we shou we should discuss this la later after after after this this uh slide . This is a this is a this is a a very important uh issue in discussion . Okay , next . Uh that finished ? 1461.74 1466.55 1467.09 1468.07 1469.87 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1458.077 1459.095 1458.24 1458.95 Yeah , that's right . 1458.55 1458.95 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1460.528 1462.234 1460.55 1462.13 Yeah . So we can 1461.46 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1464.944 1466.086 1464.97 1465.98 That's right . Yep . 1465.79 1465.98 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1467.5 1467.87 1467.61 1467.74 Yep . 1467.74 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1470.064 1505.905 1470.17 1505.72 No no . Components . Yeah . So , will you go to the next slide ? Yeah so this is the design which we are thinking so . We are having a power button and the switch , which is not much , and then we are having the which is to indicate whether the power is on or not . And then there are two kind of things which can be so one is the button interface which has not been shown because because of lack of time . So we could not put that . So now where the A_S_R_ decoder is sitting , similarly there are different kind of interfaces which could be there . 1470.6 1472.19 1473.88 1474.81 1477.31 1481.33 1484.31 1485.11 1491.07 1499.36 1500.39 1502.71 1505.72 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1470.575 1472.429 1470.61 1472.29 No ? Components ? 1471.61 1472.29 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1475.776 1477.168 1475.776 1477.12 Yes sure . 1477.12 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1505.905 1527.696 1506.31 1527.65 So there is A_S_R_ decoder which could be there , and then there could be another scroll button scroll scroller , and then there could be buttons , and all of them they will just do the decoding and put it in the math put it in the proper message format . And then there is there is the chip which is sitting , the green one , and it converts it into bit codes , and that bit codes are sent by the infrared device to the receiver . 1508.37 1512.12 1513.75 1518.93 1521.05 1522.01 1523.83 1527.65 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1528.48 1528.88 1528.55 1528.82 Okay . 1528.82 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1529.744 1534.816 1529.83 1534.76 So this is the easiest design the there could be . So th an A_S_R_ decoder we can have things in . 1531.94 1534.76 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1535.936 1545.637 1535.96 1545.38 To have different technologies . So this was the my personal preference was that we can have A_S_R_ sitting there on the remote control . Yeah . 1538.12 1544.99 1545.38 IS1004b B MIE090 1 1544.96 1560.323 1544.98 1560.323 You know I guess you could actually train the remote control as you're using it by saying you know turn volume up , and you press the uh press the button like uh s people teach sign language to kids f well , by speaking and doing 1550.99 1556.75 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1556.256 1564.896 1556.28 1564.86 Yeah but uh as soon as you try to put the microchip kind of thing or something the price will go up . So these are the slight problems . 1562.3 1564.86 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1560.923 1563.405 1560.923 1563.18 Okay . 1563.18 IS1004b B MIE090 1 1561.76 1562.016 1561.79 1561.98 Yeah . 1561.98 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1564.816 1565.744 1564.84 1565.54 So your - IS1004b A MIO019 0 1566.88 1570.908 1566.9 1570.72 your opinion is that we should go for special condition technologies ? 1570.72 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1568.938 1578.272 1569.15 1578.272 Because yeah the reason is that if we go into the market means though I don't have much idea , but as he the uh Marketing Expert presentation was 1574.86 IS1004b D MIO047 3 1577.488 1586.672 1577.51 1586.28 I'm sure if you can sell a a speech recognition remote control for twenty five Euros everyo everyone will s will buy it . 1586.28 IS1004b B MIE090 1 1582.432 1611.198 1582.432 1611.0 Actually I'm not so sure because I'm the you know if I was using a remote control to , say , turn the volume up because I can't hear it very well , I don't really want to you know drown out what people are saying by talking you know when I'm when I'm instead of pressing up on on a remote control . You know if there's some there's some dialogue all of a sudden that I can't hear , I'm trying to actually find out what's being said , so maybe speech recognition gets in the way more than it helps . 1591.29 1591.92 1595.27 1602.93 1606.65 1608.49 1611.0 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1583.831 1588.448 1583.831 1588.448 So if we go with just the - IS1004b D MIO047 3 1588.672 1589.314 1588.69 1589.23 I'm sure . 1589.23 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1606.272 1606.626 1606.29 1606.48 Yeah . 1606.48 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1610.848 1611.905 1610.87 1611.905 Okay so - IS1004b D MIO047 3 1611.428 1618.999 1611.58 1618.999 Yeah but you know the the average frequency of pushing buttons , it's about 1616.52 IS1004b B MIE090 1 1618.768 1620.583 1618.79 1620.44 Well it depends if it's a remote control th - IS1004b D MIO047 3 1620.032 1624.08 1620.05 1624.04 it's about eighty eighty eighty pushes per hour , or something like that . 1623.22 1624.04 IS1004b B MIE090 1 1624.528 1637.207 1624.77 1636.86 Maybe if the remote control is something that y you don't actually have to pick up anymore , that would be a a useful feature of the speech recogntion . If you can leave it sitting on the table and you don't actually have to find it , then that could be . 1628.38 1630.97 1635.06 1636.86 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1630.803 1635.456 1631.19 1635.42 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 1632.23 1633.27 1634.14 1634.71 1635.16 1635.42 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1635.856 1650.796 1635.856 1650.796 Okay gentlemens , we have to take some deci decisions right now . Um so if I if I kind of summarise everything we've de we we said . We are targeting T_V_ . 1637.15 1641.44 1648.67 1650.66 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1640.432 1640.944 1640.5 1640.81 Alright . 1640.81 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1650.796 1679.787 1651.0 1679.68 We need we need to have um um remote control which is fanc fancy , which is uh which is easy to to hand not too small , not too big . Um we have or good shape , yes . We should bring new technologies for young peoples , and uh as we have uh also requirements to to use uh to to push thr toward the internet . Maybe this is something we can stick to it . 1658.45 1661.68 1663.01 1667.26 1667.89 1670.45 1678.05 1679.68 IS1004b D MIO047 3 1665.03 1666.812 1665.25 1666.812 With a good shape for the - IS1004b A MIO019 0 1679.787 1702.256 1680.25 1702.21 And um also , a very interesting things I I I've seen on on on the one of the comp o our competitor is this wheel that we can use to navigate . So so my feeling is that re regarding costs budget we have an an an target price , it's not possible to go s to go to L_C_D_ 1682.67 1690.25 1699.53 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1702.858 1723.28 1702.858 1723.25 and also to go to automatic speech recognition technologies . Uh first m m why not to go to L_C_D_ . Because um in fact as we are targeting uh T_V_ in fact we can use T_V_ screen as a screen to feedback to to give some feedback informations about what we could have . 1707.66 1710.3 1723.25 IS1004b B MIE090 1 1722.368 1746.064 1722.39 1746.03 Well it depends though well it depends . If we we don't unless we have some input some video input to the T_V_ or we have control over the T_V_ then we can't actually display that . Like if we if we produce the T_V_s then then yeah we can put you know menus up up there , but otherwise we need to actually have some kind of something sitting in between the video signal and the and the T_V_ to superimpose those those menus . So that's an extra 1724.29 1732.28 1737.13 1744.79 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1746.029 1754.048 1746.029 1754.01 Yeah that's right . Don don't you ha don't we have contacts with uh people on T_V_ or or well systems that exist that we can use ? 1747.22 1754.01 IS1004b B MIE090 1 1747.165 1747.989 1747.34 1747.93 cost . 1747.93 IS1004b B MIE090 1 1753.28 1782.576 1753.3 1782.576 Well this is this is another que we still haven't really defined the remote . Are we still you say we're focusing on T_V_ , but is it still a kind of like a universal remote in that it's a replacement remote control , or is this something for our own line of of televisions ? 'Cause that really makes a big difference . 'Cause even if we have contacts we can't really produce a remote control that can bring up menus on other other companies' T_V_s . It's just there are too many T_V_s out there . It's it's not really gonna 1757.49 1760.05 1765.42 1768.96 1771.46 1779.36 1781.6 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1765.389 1766.413 1765.53 1766.26 Yeah . 1766.26 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1781.584 1796.752 1781.6 1796.7 Yeah . That's good point . What's what cou what could be the cost of uh well , could we fit the the targets uh in terms of cost uh if we go s to L_C_D_ on the remote control ? 1782.26 1783.23 1787.82 1796.7 IS1004b B MIE090 1 1797.238 1826.288 1797.57 1826.25 For twenty five Euro ? I think it's impossible . But but I dunno , I think um it would be good to know if there is any leverage in that any leeway in that um that twenty five Euro because for twenty five Euro I think all we can really do is provide a very basic remote control , and that seems to be kind of against the philosophy of our company which is you know putting the fashion into electronics . So I would I would like to know if there's any chance of of increasing the uh 1799.95 1801.22 1803.72 1815.06 1821.81 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1798.393 1799.361 1798.72 1799.16 Yeah . 1799.16 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1799.764 1801.874 1799.93 1801.81 It's not possible . It's impossible . 1801.03 1801.81 IS1004b D MIO047 3 1801.728 1802.128 1801.86 1802.09 Yeah . 1802.09 IS1004b D MIO047 3 1825.646 1826.479 1825.96 1826.479 Uh - IS1004b B MIE090 1 1827.568 1829.6 1827.59 1829.56 of increasing the unit price . 1829.56 IS1004b D MIO047 3 1829.664 1830.962 1829.68 1830.962 What would be - IS1004b A MIO019 0 1829.735 1846.016 1829.735 1846.016 So you mean yo you mean we we should target something maybe which is which would be more expensive but re really fancy in terms to um in terms to had to have really an added value ? Okay , so regarding the automatic speech recognition , I think this is 1841.1 1842.34 1844.88 IS1004b B MIE090 1 1835.024 1835.607 1835.17 1835.48 Yeah . 1835.48 IS1004b B MIE090 1 1836.96 1838.256 1836.98 1837.86 Yeah . 1837.86 IS1004b B MIE090 1 1840.576 1842.048 1840.6 1842.01 Yeah because yeah . 1842.01 IS1004b D MIO047 3 1843.808 1850.32 1843.85 1850.28 Wha but what would be one question , what would be the goal of putting an L_C_D_ in a remote control ? 1846.69 1850.28 IS1004b B MIE090 1 1851.328 1851.718 1851.35 1851.65 Well th - IS1004b D MIO047 3 1851.349 1853.328 1851.37 1853.29 What what kind of information ? 1853.29 IS1004b B MIE090 1 1853.856 1858.893 1853.92 1858.78 'Cause you can have things like the programme name instead of the channel numbers , like an interactive programme guide . 1857.38 1858.78 IS1004b D MIO047 3 1857.381 1863.536 1857.5 1863.44 Yeah but mo most of the T_V_s nowadays show the show the - IS1004b A MIO019 0 1860.832 1862.144 1860.86 1862.09 They have tele teletext . 1862.09 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1863.728 1873.824 1863.82 1873.79 Well , because they have teletext on it . Th th you have a teletext sin signal that you can that you can uh that you can get thr through the channel . 1864.08 1865.37 1873.79 IS1004b D MIO047 3 1864.8 1865.383 1864.87 1865.16 the n - IS1004b D MIO047 3 1872.032 1875.696 1872.05 1875.66 Yeah but yeah most of the T_V_s have teletext nowadays . 1875.66 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1876.016 1887.824 1876.04 1887.72 They have t most of them have teletext , but we want to get rid well one of our requirements is to uh to move to teletext to uh to the use of internet . So to to uh 1877.88 1886.52 IS1004b D MIO047 3 1877.294 1877.798 1877.43 1877.71 Yeah . 1877.71 IS1004b B MIE090 1 1888.832 1891.8 1888.85 1891.66 You can get a lot more information on it . 1891.66 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1889.84 1892.064 1889.86 1891.96 to browse more easily the teletext . 1891.96 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1892.935 1895.76 1892.96 1895.73 For instance through uh through your remote control . 1895.73 IS1004b D MIO047 3 1897.36 1900.448 1897.38 1900.41 So what would what would appear in the in the L_C_D_ ? 1900.41 IS1004b B MIE090 1 1902.087 1907.271 1902.29 1907.16 So you could have the name of the programme , you could have um the start time you know where it's up to . 1903.77 1907.16 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1904.976 1909.819 1905.0 1909.75 The ti the start time , all the p all the programmes you could have uh o 1906.55 IS1004b B MIE090 1 1908.676 1918.547 1908.88 1918.547 You could have a l even a little image of you know the c you know the the m the main actors or something so you can quickly just kind of even without reading - IS1004b D MIO047 3 1912.8 1913.264 1912.84 1913.23 Okay . 1913.23 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1917.378 1920.96 1917.62 1920.93 Well I don't know if this information is available from teletext , also . 1920.62 1920.93 IS1004b B MIE090 1 1921.271 1928.528 1921.41 1928.49 Well no , but there are the electronic programme guides out there . They may not have pictures , but maybe they do . There's dependi it also depends on the country . 1921.77 1924.47 1925.47 1926.53 1928.49 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1924.084 1924.546 1924.14 1924.546 Are - IS1004b A MIO019 0 1927.328 1930.192 1927.35 1930.06 Well because for the same reason that we cannot - IS1004b A MIO019 0 1931.504 1938.384 1931.52 1938.35 uh informations on the T_V_ . We c we couldn't grab information information which is not there . 1935.1 1938.35 IS1004b B MIE090 1 1939.6 1947.883 1939.62 1947.6 No but I mean with the internet you have flexibility of where you get your information from . So it may be possible that there are people out there providing that . Uh . 1943.03 1946.52 1947.6 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1945.024 1956.129 1945.04 1956.129 So so that mean w w we need an in an extra internet connection to use the remote control , if you want to browse , in addition to the T_V_ , or uh or it should be a special T_V_ connected to 1950.51 1951.73 1953.16 IS1004b D MIO047 3 1945.998 1946.747 1946.25 1946.747 But - IS1004b D MIO047 3 1951.184 1951.568 1951.2 1951.53 Yeah . 1951.53 IS1004b B MIE090 1 1955.12 1967.648 1955.14 1967.57 Well I I think if we're gonna I think we would definitely need the internet connection because even with y I don't think you could even get teletext information from the T_V_ onto the remote control , especially if we don't control the T_V_ . I dunno . We need to find that out . 1964.82 1966.38 1966.74 1967.57 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1967.584 1971.92 1967.8 1971.92 Okay . We need to close the meeting . Um so 1968.54 1970.16 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1971.45 1988.128 1971.63 1988.01 But just a small thing , what kind of market we are targeting ? Is it that we are targeting the replacement remote market , or what ? So the remote has gone bad and the person wants to buy a new remote or because the cost of L_C_D_ thing could be as high as the T_V_ itself . That is very important . 1973.49 1975.36 1978.41 1979.57 1987.05 1988.01 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1973.409 1974.391 1973.64 1974.35 Very quickly . 1974.35 IS1004b A MIO019 0 1987.219 2003.98 1987.35 2003.89 No . Yeah , well people go to buy another remote control when they broke n broke their , and they want to go t for universal one , and they take the fanciest they can have . So this is that we z that that we should target . 1989.32 1990.35 1996.54 1998.6 2001.09 2003.89 IS1004b B MIE090 1 1987.367 1991.408 1987.81 1991.36 Mm . If it's a really small T_V_ maybe . 1989.22 1991.36 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1994.592 1996.418 1994.62 1996.23 Broke . Okay . Okay . 1995.16 1995.62 1996.23 IS1004b C MIO022 2 1997.888 1999.19 1997.91 1999.04 Okay . Okay . 1998.69 1999.04 IS1004b C MIO022 2 2000.034 2001.104 2000.19 2001.07 Okay . Okay . 2000.75 2001.07 IS1004b A MIO019 0 2003.98 2027.328 2004.22 2027.29 So the com the um the uh the committment is the following , we don't go for speech recognition technology . The L_C_D_ is still on disc is still open to discussion . It is up to you to go through this um uh this way and to to report report me back next meeting . So 2009.73 2012.91 2017.93 2026.71 IS1004b C MIO022 2 2012.608 2012.96 2012.64 2012.91 Mm-hmm . 2012.91 IS1004b D MIO047 3 2027.904 2033.008 2027.92 2032.94 I think that the speech recognition technology would be cheaper the than the L_C_D_ . 2032.94 IS1004b C MIO022 2 2030.24 2033.11 2030.26 2032.87 It's it's cheaper as compared to the L_C_D_ . 2032.87 IS1004b A MIO019 0 2032.928 2037.024 2033.18 2037.024 Yeah , but not sure . Maybe it's cheaper , but we have no 2033.55 2034.98 2035.76 IS1004b D MIO047 3 2037.056 2043.312 2037.08 2043.2 Because with the L_C_D_ you need more requirements . You need a internet connection . You need m more things . But 2039.23 2041.0 2042.98 IS1004b D MIO047 3 2044.512 2048.56 2044.53 2048.53 for the speech recognition you you don't need anything . You just say channel fifty , and that's it . 2046.41 2047.98 2048.53 IS1004b B MIE090 1 2044.736 2047.396 2044.76 2047.19 Well the thing is I think I think the type of peop - IS1004b B MIE090 1 2049.04 2059.549 2049.07 2059.43 I think the type of people that are gonna want to buy a very stylish rem r remote control with lots of new technologies are the kinda people that are gonna have you know a wireless internet connection maybe , or a you know . 2058.2 2059.43 IS1004b D MIO047 3 2058.88 2063.878 2058.92 2063.878 But then we should move to another target b because at twenty five Dollars , it's 2063.34 IS1004b C MIO022 2 2061.787 2065.915 2061.86 2065.77 Means th yeah twenty five Euros is yeah , that's right . 2065.27 2065.77 IS1004b B MIE090 1 2062.691 2069.056 2063.14 2069.056 Well this is what we need to find out . Can we can we increase the the price point of this remote control ? 'Cause otherwise we need 2064.46 2068.15 IS1004b A MIO019 0 2068.657 2071.28 2068.92 2071.23 Okay this is this is an open question for you . 2071.23 IS1004b A MIO019 0 2072.864 2093.104 2072.88 2093.104 Yeah . This is uh up to you to tell us . But I'm definitely not keen on to to no no no , I'm no I'm definit definitely not keen on going to speech recognition technologies . I'm not confident enough . I'm not sure that that we'll have a product really that work . I uh that work 2073.67 2076.15 2081.09 2086.53 2088.2 2092.1 IS1004b D MIO047 3 2078.576 2079.785 2078.6 2079.65 To move to another target ? 2079.65 IS1004b B MIE090 1 2092.731 2094.992 2093.05 2094.992 It's kind of hard to guarantee that you're gonna - IS1004b A MIO019 0 2093.882 2098.171 2094.11 2098.08 It's real yeah . How to guarantee such performances is really hard . 2095.65 2098.08 IS1004b D MIO047 3 2100.048 2105.735 2100.048 2105.18 the expert uh said ninety five percent . 2105.18 IS1004b B MIE090 1 2104.016 2105.886 2104.04 2105.76 Ninety five percent is not good enough though . 2105.76 IS1004b A MIO019 0 2104.08 2125.904 2104.1 2125.86 Well this is still is is very bad . So , this is the end of this discussion . Next meeting uh here are the task you have to work on . Um so you have to work on the component uh concept . Uh you have to work on user interface , and you have to go through a trend watching . 2107.57 2108.3 2109.92 2114.32 2120.47 2123.27 2125.86 IS1004b C MIO022 2 2119.504 2120.073 2119.63 2120.02 Okay . 2120.02 IS1004b A MIO019 0 2126.928 2132.672 2126.95 2132.62 Okay . So the question is still open about the L_C_D_ thing . 2128.49 2132.62 IS1004b A MIO019 0 2134.224 2143.056 2134.24 2142.42 Um uh we I hope that next meeting we will uh we'll take some um decision that direction . Thanks . Bye . 2140.86 2142.06 2142.42 IS1004b B MIE090 1 2141.776 2142.36 2141.87 2142.19 Yep . 2142.19 IS1004c A MIO019 0 31.378 35.6 31.378 35.53 Okay ? Good afternoon . Hope you have good lunch . 32.77 34.24 35.53 IS1004c C MIO022 2 34.178 38.24 34.39 37.88 Afternoon . Yeah , we had falafel . 36.72 37.1 37.88 IS1004c B MIE090 1 34.63 35.261 34.85 35.11 Hi . 35.11 IS1004c A MIO019 0 38.384 39.392 38.41 39.36 Oh . Nice . 38.96 39.36 IS1004c A MIO019 0 41.856 42.288 41.96 42.21 And you ? 42.21 IS1004c B MIE090 1 43.504 45.744 43.58 45.64 Uh , yes , I had something similar 43.85 44.67 IS1004c B MIE090 1 46.282 48.16 46.3 48.04 but non-vegetarian . 48.04 IS1004c A MIO019 0 50.112 52.176 50.21 52.14 Okay . So today is um 51.08 IS1004c A MIO019 0 53.248 63.344 53.41 63.31 our third meeting . It will be about the conceptual design uh . If I come back to uh the minutes of the last meetings 55.61 60.47 IS1004c A MIO019 0 64.464 87.072 64.5 87.04 um . We decided not to go for speech recognition technologies because of some reasons and we are not decided about u the use of L_C_D_ screen on on the remote control because of costs . So maybe we cou wi will be able to clarify this this question to today . Uh at the end of the meeting we should take decision on that point . 65.7 77.51 83.11 87.04 IS1004c A MIO019 0 88.064 101.344 88.09 101.31 So I hope uh that your respective pr presentations uh will help us . So each of you have some presentatio presentation to perform um who starts ? 93.53 101.31 IS1004c D MIO047 3 106.56 107.488 106.66 107.3 Okay , . 107.3 107.3 IS1004c A MIO019 0 107.217 108.048 107.34 108.01 So marketing . 108.01 IS1004c A MIO019 0 112.624 116.064 112.624 116.03 So you are you saved your y your presentation somewhere ? 116.03 IS1004c D MIO047 3 116.103 116.507 116.22 116.39 Yep . 116.39 IS1004c A MIO019 0 117.312 118.48 117.44 118.32 So you're four ? 118.32 IS1004c D MIO047 3 118.528 120.112 118.55 119.83 Four , yeah . 118.79 119.83 IS1004c A MIO019 0 120.448 121.328 120.47 121.29 Which is trend watch . 121.29 IS1004c A MIO019 0 126.203 130.176 126.203 130.14 Okay . Mr Marketing Experts . 128.33 130.14 IS1004c D MIO047 3 131.024 146.144 131.16 146.08 Yeah that's me . Uh . Well I investigate the preference more d I investigate deeper the preference of the users . Uh so the the current investigation th uh th uh sorry the current 133.26 134.39 140.96 IS1004c A MIO019 0 131.728 133.248 131.75 133.248 So - IS1004c D MIO047 3 148.928 149.392 148.95 149.36 the n - IS1004c D MIO047 3 150.816 151.664 150.84 151.61 current trends ? 151.61 IS1004c B MIE090 1 152.448 152.736 152.47 152.7 Yeah . 152.7 IS1004c D MIO047 3 152.896 156.576 152.92 156.576 Yeah ? Okay . Okay . 153.14 155.73 156.17 IS1004c A MIO019 0 153.056 153.562 153.09 153.31 Mm-hmm . 153.31 IS1004c D MIO047 3 158.416 162.32 158.96 162.32 Well wha what I found um can you - IS1004c A MIO019 0 162.96 165.098 163.65 164.78 Next slide ? Yeah . 164.63 164.78 IS1004c D MIO047 3 164.187 170.992 164.29 170.96 Yeah . Thank you . What I found in order of importance from less to more important is that 165.16 166.28 IS1004c D MIO047 3 172.128 174.566 172.15 174.49 people want an easy to use device . 174.49 IS1004c D MIO047 3 175.797 197.712 176.74 197.68 After they they want something new technologic technologically speaking , but the most what they what they find more more interesting , more or more important it's uh a fancy look and feel instead of uh instead of the current 184.19 190.85 IS1004c D MIO047 3 199.472 226.912 199.5 226.87 the current trend which was f the functional look and feel . So now more more cool aspect , ma more a cooler aspect uh rather than a device with many functions and many buttons with instead of i instead of ha of a device which can do many things , a device which is pleasant to to watch , to see . 203.64 209.12 222.59 226.5 226.87 IS1004c A MIO019 0 228.002 228.336 228.08 228.3 Okay . 228.3 IS1004c D MIO047 3 229.04 230.672 229.06 230.672 Uh also - IS1004c D MIO047 3 231.728 249.92 231.87 249.85 Well in in Euro in in Paris and and Milan the in Paris and in Paris and Milan the the current trend of uh of clothes , furniture and all this 248.13 IS1004c D MIO047 3 251.04 257.536 251.06 257.5 all this fashion it's it's fruit and the the the theme is fruit and vegetables . 257.5 IS1004c A MIO019 0 258.21 258.544 258.32 258.49 Mm . 258.49 IS1004c D MIO047 3 258.672 268.448 258.69 268.41 And also in the in the U_S_A_ the the current the mor the most popular feeling it's it's a spongy . 268.41 IS1004c D MIO047 3 269.664 271.104 269.68 271.05 Spongy means eponge ? 271.05 IS1004c C MIO022 2 272.176 272.641 272.22 272.48 Mm-hmm . 272.48 IS1004c D MIO047 3 272.432 277.808 272.9 277.808 So maybe we should we should think in in this direction , so 277.37 IS1004c B MIE090 1 277.36 283.865 277.4 283.74 What what do you mean by fruit and vegetables and spongy ? What you mean clothe 282.13 IS1004c C MIO022 2 281.984 283.958 282.17 283.75 Spongy means it it's like sp - IS1004c D MIO047 3 283.045 289.824 283.45 289.79 Fruit vegetables is the the new have you seen the last exposition of clothes in Milan ? 289.79 IS1004c B MIE090 1 289.888 291.264 289.91 291.23 No , I missed that one . 290.48 291.23 IS1004c D MIO047 3 291.184 301.984 291.22 301.6 Yeah , I I didn't miss an I didn't miss and I saw that the fruit , there are many fr pictures of fruits and vegetables in the clothes . 291.72 298.32 301.6 IS1004c B MIE090 1 300.736 312.112 300.76 312.112 Oh , they're okay so they're not like dressed as a carrot they just have like pictures of fruit on , okay . So we're not gonna have a remote control in the shape of of a banana , just maybe 301.02 306.71 307.98 310.93 IS1004c D MIO047 3 303.648 305.684 303.67 305.54 No no , not not yet , not yet . 304.22 304.91 305.54 IS1004c D MIO047 3 306.32 310.416 306.35 310.38 Yeah , yeah . So te textu textures , yeah . 306.89 308.09 310.14 310.38 IS1004c D MIO047 3 311.536 312.07 311.56 311.84 Yeah . 311.84 IS1004c D MIO047 3 312.96 315.184 313.0 315.15 Vegetable textures and all this kind . 315.15 IS1004c A MIO019 0 315.776 317.185 315.8 317.09 Drawings of bananas . 317.09 IS1004c D MIO047 3 317.456 323.136 318.54 323.05 Uh yeah , yeah . 322.64 323.05 IS1004c B MIE090 1 319.04 322.24 319.26 322.24 Okay and - IS1004c A MIO019 0 320.33 321.04 320.5 320.9 Uh-huh . 320.9 IS1004c C MIO022 2 323.056 327.13 323.09 327.0 But what's your suggestion how we can have some shape like that on the remote ? 327.0 IS1004c A MIO019 0 326.53 328.544 326.64 328.51 Well so this is in the next slide certainly . 328.51 IS1004c D MIO047 3 328.688 332.0 328.71 332.0 Uh no no , it's not . It's 329.33 330.53 IS1004c A MIO019 0 329.741 332.176 329.78 332.176 It's not ? 332.0 IS1004c B MIE090 1 334.474 336.4 334.71 336.17 So which fruit are you thinking of ? 336.17 IS1004c D MIO047 3 334.513 335.532 334.76 335.532 And - IS1004c D MIO047 3 336.848 338.224 336.9 338.06 Um . 338.06 IS1004c D MIO047 3 340.256 347.824 340.256 347.41 I ha I haven't thought of any particular fruit , but the general aspect of the of the remote control 343.74 IS1004c D MIO047 3 349.424 355.504 349.44 355.47 may may could remind some kind of vegetable , some kind of 354.74 IS1004c D MIO047 3 356.72 361.984 356.74 361.95 instead of vegetable , some natur mm uh natural object or something . 357.71 361.95 IS1004c C MIO022 2 361.804 362.376 361.94 362.22 Mm-hmm . 362.22 IS1004c D MIO047 3 363.216 365.76 363.26 365.76 But yeah it it depends on the - IS1004c A MIO019 0 364.529 367.952 364.57 367.9 So maybe you maybe you can display a banana on the L_C_D_ . 367.9 IS1004c B MIE090 1 369.216 378.665 369.216 378.665 Oh , so you want the remote control to be the shape of a fruit , or you want just some kind of like fruit logo on the 370.32 372.8 IS1004c C MIO022 2 377.2 384.73 377.22 384.63 Means buttons are in the shape of fruits , buttons are in the frape shape of fruits or something , apple , banana , something like that . 379.72 382.72 383.24 383.78 384.63 IS1004c D MIO047 3 378.048 379.76 378.07 379.76 Yeah maybe the shape the shape - IS1004c D MIO047 3 384.384 399.584 384.4 399.51 No , not n not not too much focus , not too much focu not n not too s not too similar to a fruit because next year the ten the trend the trend will be different . So we shouldn't be at re really attached 384.68 388.51 396.87 IS1004c A MIO019 0 386.544 389.963 386.6 389.963 Apple for channel one . 389.35 IS1004c C MIO022 2 392.899 393.455 393.06 393.3 Mm-hmm . 393.3 IS1004c C MIO022 2 396.752 397.386 396.79 397.03 Mm-hmm . 397.03 IS1004c D MIO047 3 400.688 403.063 400.71 403.063 to to the trend but - IS1004c B MIE090 1 402.416 408.752 402.44 408.752 So something that looks half like a fruit and half like an elephant . 408.3 IS1004c D MIO047 3 406.064 408.72 406.09 408.69 For instance , yeah . African or as an elephant ? 406.64 407.39 408.69 IS1004c C MIO022 2 409.072 411.943 409.11 411.83 That we can discuss afterwards . 411.83 IS1004c A MIO019 0 410.266 411.888 410.266 411.84 Okay . 411.84 IS1004c B MIE090 1 410.187 413.088 410.35 412.93 But okay , I'm not , I'm not really sure 411.38 412.02 IS1004c B MIE090 1 414.672 428.263 414.69 428.05 if uh that would really appeal to everyone though , maybe just to fashion gurus , like maybe just like a little bit n a little fruit picture somewhere in the corner , but I don't know about uh I dunno how ergonomic a , an orange is . 417.19 419.57 424.12 427.31 428.05 IS1004c D MIO047 3 426.816 432.656 426.84 432.62 Well ma maybe we we should further specify what target are we focusing . 432.62 IS1004c D MIO047 3 433.968 449.808 433.99 449.77 I think in my opinion we should focus on on young people because they are more open to new devi new devices and also yeah according to the marketing report ninety p ninety five percent of young people was - IS1004c B MIE090 1 440.679 441.445 440.82 441.22 To fruit ? 441.22 IS1004c D MIO047 3 451.248 454.976 451.248 454.9 was was able to - IS1004c D MIO047 3 456.272 460.272 456.29 460.24 to buy a a n a cooler remote control . 460.24 IS1004c B MIE090 1 460.416 462.576 461.08 462.54 But is it uh is fruit cool ? 462.54 IS1004c D MIO047 3 463.264 463.696 463.28 463.56 What ? 463.56 IS1004c A MIO019 0 463.26 464.528 463.92 464.49 That's a question . 464.49 IS1004c D MIO047 3 464.864 465.212 464.88 465.14 What ? 465.14 IS1004c B MIE090 1 465.36 466.304 465.38 466.27 Is fruit cool ? 466.27 IS1004c D MIO047 3 467.584 468.832 467.6 468.832 Yeah ? Uh 468.6 IS1004c D MIO047 3 470.736 471.52 470.76 471.49 Is the new trend - IS1004c D MIO047 3 472.816 473.696 472.84 473.696 of the - IS1004c B MIE090 1 474.256 481.52 474.32 481.49 Well I guess , you know , Apple has the iPod so , imagi just 'cause they have an apple on their 474.97 475.2 478.42 IS1004c B MIE090 1 482.528 485.424 482.59 485.424 on their product , doesn't mean fruit is cool . 483.08 485.33 IS1004c D MIO047 3 486.688 493.44 486.72 493.44 No I think we we should think about a a shape with it a device with a shape of some - IS1004c B MIE090 1 495.6 505.152 495.62 505.152 Okay , but it has to be easy to uh to use though and to hold you know , you don't wanna pear or a watermelon . 495.85 500.94 504.61 IS1004c D MIO047 3 502.608 502.88 502.63 502.85 Yeah . 502.85 IS1004c D MIO047 3 505.872 511.187 505.9 510.95 Don don't you think we can find uh the shape of a fruit which is handy to use ? 510.95 IS1004c B MIE090 1 510.064 513.728 510.08 513.67 Well , probably the only thing is a banana that I can think of , a cucumber . 510.54 513.06 513.67 IS1004c C MIO022 2 512.016 512.56 512.04 512.52 Banana . 512.52 IS1004c C MIO022 2 514.432 514.848 514.46 514.81 Mm-hmm . 514.81 IS1004c B MIE090 1 515.504 516.373 515.58 516.33 I dunno . 516.33 IS1004c D MIO047 3 515.568 516.362 515.59 516.29 Or m - IS1004c A MIO019 0 515.872 516.496 515.89 516.4 Maybe too long . 516.4 IS1004c B MIE090 1 518.144 519.84 518.16 519.66 Maybe . Too green . 519.06 519.66 IS1004c D MIO047 3 519.036 520.928 519.25 520.928 Maybe . 520.86 IS1004c B MIE090 1 522.384 527.664 522.4 527.36 So , but I mean you also have to you have to also have , fit r all the buttons and you know . 522.9 525.21 527.36 IS1004c A MIO019 0 522.872 524.109 522.91 524.02 A banana . 524.02 IS1004c D MIO047 3 524.621 525.74 524.95 525.74 Um - IS1004c B MIE090 1 529.104 530.096 529.14 530.096 It's , it 529.5 IS1004c D MIO047 3 530.352 530.832 530.57 530.8 Yeah . 530.8 IS1004c B MIE090 1 531.264 543.552 531.28 543.5 The thing is you have t normally with um with buttons , they have to be at some point attached to a circuit board so if you're gonna have things like on a cylindrical kind of device it may be difficult to kind of to build . 534.36 543.5 IS1004c C MIO022 2 543.664 545.399 543.78 545.16 I don't th it will be rolling a lot . 545.16 IS1004c D MIO047 3 543.648 551.392 544.36 551.31 Yeah but I li I like your idea that we shouldn't have a lot of buttons b buttons so - IS1004c A MIO019 0 545.442 546.368 545.84 546.26 Okay . 546.26 IS1004c A MIO019 0 550.128 555.488 550.15 555.45 Yeah and you you you will not have pla enough a lot of place to put a L_C_D_ on a banana also . 555.45 IS1004c B MIE090 1 556.853 557.341 556.93 557.24 Yeah . 557.24 IS1004c D MIO047 3 557.2 562.656 557.3 562.656 Uh do you want a an L_C_D_ with twenty five Euros ? 562.27 IS1004c A MIO019 0 560.752 565.664 560.752 565.57 Well , you're the Marketing Expert you should tell us if it is too much or not . 561.59 565.57 IS1004c B MIE090 1 560.811 562.604 561.2 562.604 Well , this is 561.67 IS1004c D MIO047 3 564.032 564.91 564.05 564.91 I think - IS1004c D MIO047 3 566.176 584.096 566.2 583.81 Well , according to the to the report people are more interested in in a fa fancy look and feel and in a technological inno in innovation , so , I will give more importance to the look and feel than rather than the 566.71 578.44 579.81 IS1004c A MIO019 0 579.059 580.431 579.059 580.431 So - IS1004c A MIO019 0 584.704 587.317 584.93 587.09 So you you you suggest to go f - IS1004c D MIO047 3 585.609 599.328 585.77 599.2 new inputs and also it's I'm not convinced about this L_C_D_ because you need uh internet connection , you need more things , it's not just buying a new control re remote , you need buying control remote , buying uh 592.38 593.24 596.33 598.34 IS1004c A MIO019 0 595.53 596.439 595.62 596.28 Okay . 596.28 IS1004c A MIO019 0 599.969 609.84 599.969 609.81 S so you're simply you're simply looking s to a remote control that looks like a banana with few buttons with only a few buttons . 609.81 IS1004c D MIO047 3 600.48 602.288 600.5 602.25 more things . It's not so simple . 601.19 602.25 IS1004c D MIO047 3 607.184 612.064 607.21 612.064 For instance , yeah . Yeah for for for given an an example yeah . 607.86 608.68 611.77 IS1004c A MIO019 0 611.552 614.128 611.57 614.09 Okay good . So maybe you can go ahead ? 612.58 614.09 IS1004c D MIO047 3 614.576 616.16 614.6 616.13 Yeah no , it's what I already said . 614.92 616.13 IS1004c A MIO019 0 616.752 618.008 616.87 618.008 Okay . 617.93 IS1004c A MIO019 0 619.024 621.104 619.04 621.02 Thanks . Um . 620.5 621.02 IS1004c A MIO019 0 622.944 624.368 622.96 624.3 Okay , I'll give the floor . 623.45 624.3 IS1004c A MIO019 0 625.392 626.864 625.41 626.82 So you are User Interface guy . 626.82 IS1004c B MIE090 1 627.712 628.144 627.85 628.11 Okay . 628.11 IS1004c A MIO019 0 628.192 629.552 628.21 629.52 So you're three ? 629.52 IS1004c B MIE090 1 629.616 630.032 629.64 629.98 Yeah . 629.98 IS1004c A MIO019 0 631.52 633.168 631.54 633.13 And it's this one . 633.13 IS1004c B MIE090 1 633.088 633.392 633.22 633.36 Yep . 633.36 IS1004c A MIO019 0 636.288 636.848 636.34 636.79 Go for it . 636.79 IS1004c B MIE090 1 636.592 639.136 636.592 639.07 Yep . Okay . So . 638.44 638.76 639.07 IS1004c B MIE090 1 640.288 641.632 640.31 641.57 S next uh slide . 641.57 IS1004c B MIE090 1 642.624 662.464 642.7 662.43 Okay . So I received an email um around lunchtime letting me know that the brilliant minds at our technology division had developed an integrated programmable sample sensor sample speaker unit , um which is a way for you to have a conversation with your coffee machine and or remote control . 643.07 656.78 662.43 IS1004c C MIO022 2 661.824 663.878 662.18 663.76 But it's just a speaker right ? 663.76 IS1004c B MIE090 1 663.824 666.624 663.84 666.624 It's no , what it is , it's it's very 664.55 665.24 IS1004c C MIO022 2 665.792 666.864 665.81 666.81 It's not a microphone . 666.81 IS1004c B MIE090 1 667.84 672.639 667.86 672.19 It has a has a microphone , has a speaker , it's got a little chip and it allows you t 669.25 669.79 IS1004c C MIO022 2 671.344 676.624 671.38 676.58 Mm-hmm . Actually I'm not reading microphone there , so that's why you can all have conversation , it just to speak to you . 671.96 673.87 675.51 676.58 IS1004c B MIE090 1 675.152 677.968 675.22 677.92 Well , it's a sample sensor sample speaker . 675.42 677.92 IS1004c B MIE090 1 679.696 706.992 679.72 706.96 Sample sensor sample speaker . It means that it can recognize , it can do like a match on a on a certain phrase that you speak and then can play back a phrase in response to that . But uh there's no kind of um understanding of the phrase . So , I mean , you know , I guess you could build that in , you could you could link the the recognition of a certain phrase to some function on on the remote control . But basically the thing is , we have this technology available 681.52 683.56 690.89 696.07 696.54 696.93 697.28 698.42 703.75 704.83 IS1004c C MIO022 2 681.656 682.313 681.9 682.18 Mm-hmm . 682.18 IS1004c C MIO022 2 687.12 687.488 687.16 687.42 Mm-hmm . 687.42 IS1004c C MIO022 2 688.608 689.322 688.88 689.07 Mm-hmm . 689.07 IS1004c C MIO022 2 690.112 690.816 690.14 690.78 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 690.52 690.78 IS1004c C MIO022 2 695.328 696.112 695.73 696.07 Okay . 696.07 IS1004c C MIO022 2 701.833 703.6 702.31 703.46 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 702.7 703.24 703.46 IS1004c C MIO022 2 707.392 707.968 707.41 707.93 In-house . 707.93 IS1004c B MIE090 1 708.432 730.752 708.45 730.72 in-house . So , um but the thing is obviously there's still gonna be a cost if you decided to integrate that because you still have to pay for the c production of the components , so um it it but it basically means we c we can kind of consider this from uh you know uh a theoretical or usability kind of viewpoint without worrying too much about you know how to develop it because we have this already done . 709.0 709.84 717.47 730.72 IS1004c C MIO022 2 709.001 709.666 709.04 709.52 Mm-hmm . 709.52 IS1004c C MIO022 2 713.217 715.472 713.53 715.25 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 714.9 715.25 IS1004c C MIO022 2 730.372 731.312 730.53 731.26 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 730.95 731.26 IS1004c B MIE090 1 731.92 736.374 731.98 736.374 Whilst you know , some people might get annoyed if we uh if we just dump it , 732.44 736.29 IS1004c A MIO019 0 735.504 736.976 735.55 736.976 I there's something that I - IS1004c A MIO019 0 738.448 745.814 738.48 745.73 unclear really understanding . Is this a technology that recognize keywords speech keywords ? 741.52 745.73 IS1004c B MIE090 1 745.328 774.992 745.35 774.96 It's it it's no , well , it's it'll recognize uh I guess keywords , but you know keywords in a certain order like a phrase . You train it for a certain uh , for a certain phrase , you say the the example they said that they have uh up and running with their prototype is um well they've actually integrated into the into the the coffee machine that uh that we're producing is , you can say good morning to the coffee machine and it can recognize that phrase and it'll playback good morning , how would you like your coffee ? 747.18 747.46 750.72 752.69 755.38 756.2 767.14 774.0 774.96 IS1004c A MIO019 0 773.667 776.704 773.92 776.67 And it's just to , it's just to playback something ? 775.2 776.67 IS1004c B MIE090 1 776.8 782.259 776.84 782.16 Yeah . So actually that was a bad example , 'cause it doesn't actually ask how do you want your coffee because it can't really understand the response , so . 777.35 778.47 781.64 782.16 IS1004c A MIO019 0 781.472 787.2 781.49 787.17 Yeah yeah . So this is not s really to do to to do control . 782.01 787.17 IS1004c B MIE090 1 787.28 794.207 787.87 794.09 Only , like , only in the sense that it it can recognize a set a set target kind of word an 788.64 789.21 IS1004c A MIO019 0 792.208 796.955 792.23 796.82 Yeah . This is just more like a poi pois yeah . 793.15 796.82 IS1004c B MIE090 1 795.328 802.288 795.35 802.288 It's designed it's designed as a fun kind of thing , but I guess you could use it as uh as a way to implement uh 797.95 IS1004c A MIO019 0 797.645 798.688 797.74 798.54 Yeah yeah . 798.54 IS1004c A MIO019 0 802.144 821.114 802.25 821.04 So it it's c uh it it it is a uh uh easy uh a fancy thing that you you can bring to we can bring to the remote control that will not have any uh yeah comp completely pointless for the inter for from the interaction point of v point of view . 821.04 IS1004c D MIO047 3 802.256 803.856 802.28 803.8 Yeah but you can u - IS1004c B MIE090 1 812.528 813.712 812.55 813.68 Completely pointless yeah . 813.68 IS1004c B MIE090 1 814.62 816.867 814.62 816.66 Yeah . 816.66 IS1004c B MIE090 1 819.904 823.98 819.92 823.83 Yeah , unless you know , you like having conversation with your remote control . 820.21 821.06 823.83 IS1004c A MIO019 0 823.552 823.92 823.59 823.81 Okay . 823.81 IS1004c D MIO047 3 824.336 829.047 824.39 828.96 Yeah but the can we use it for saying okay , channel fifty , channel twenty ? 827.02 828.06 828.96 IS1004c B MIE090 1 827.6 847.072 827.75 847.072 Well yeah , that's the thing , if you can but you have to pro though I think it's a fairly simple design so you would have to record into the device every possible combination , you have to s tr train it to l to learn channel fifteen , that whole thing , not just the word channel and the word fifteen , it doesn't have that kind of logic in it . So 828.21 828.84 838.94 842.1 842.63 844.59 846.65 IS1004c A MIO019 0 844.0 862.928 844.02 862.928 Yeah yeah . So this is so this is this is much more than tak taking this technology , bringing it to the remote control and using it . So this is out of discussion . So if if if it is something that you can we can bring easily and to put it into the banana remote control 845.19 849.88 853.03 856.58 IS1004c C MIO022 2 846.117 846.748 846.23 846.71 Mm-hmm . 846.71 IS1004c B MIE090 1 851.264 853.784 851.28 853.61 Yeah , that would be some development work . 851.49 853.61 IS1004c B MIE090 1 856.176 856.4 856.2 856.37 Yeah . 856.37 IS1004c D MIO047 3 863.293 864.194 863.4 864.14 M Mando . 864.14 IS1004c B MIE090 1 864.688 870.949 864.688 870.949 Banana-mando . Banana-man 866.28 IS1004c A MIO019 0 864.915 871.408 865.25 871.24 No this is mm banana-bando , yeah . Uh then it could be cool yeah . 867.18 868.04 871.24 IS1004c D MIO047 3 866.233 867.616 866.27 867.52 Banana-mando yeah . 867.52 IS1004c C MIO022 2 874.248 875.424 874.51 875.39 Yeah okay , let's go ahead . 874.95 875.39 IS1004c A MIO019 0 876.171 876.92 876.27 876.88 Okay . 876.88 IS1004c B MIE090 1 876.304 880.992 876.32 880.88 I uh I I I don't think it's worth it though , I think it doesn't really add much to the functional 878.48 IS1004c B MIE090 1 882.0 884.528 882.02 884.49 design and it's it's it's not mature enough - IS1004c B MIE090 1 885.616 888.592 885.64 888.592 to use as a speech recognition engine , so 888.19 IS1004c A MIO019 0 887.799 888.599 887.99 888.53 Okay . 888.53 IS1004c B MIE090 1 889.952 901.536 889.98 901.536 Um , yeah . So if we can just move on to the next slide , I've just done a quick mock-up of uh uh some of the features of our potential funky-looking uh remote control 891.26 891.51 893.42 IS1004c A MIO019 0 900.592 902.512 900.66 902.47 It doesn't look like a banana at all . 902.47 IS1004c B MIE090 1 902.528 910.554 902.55 910.29 Well , you see , I was I was unaware at this point of th of the fruit focus , um , so at the moment it's more of a box focus . 902.84 903.15 907.32 908.32 910.29 IS1004c A MIO019 0 906.56 907.088 906.58 907.05 Yeah . 907.05 IS1004c D MIO047 3 908.136 912.208 908.136 912.16 Looks like a tr look likes a a tro a tropical fruit . 912.16 IS1004c A MIO019 0 908.198 911.696 908.38 911.696 But you you can fit i you're saying now you can fit it to - IS1004c B MIE090 1 912.512 920.49 912.512 920.46 Yeah , well , this is actu this could be a genetically engineered fruit that's designed to be you know square so that it packs tighter in the boxes . 914.24 914.33 920.46 IS1004c A MIO019 0 912.848 913.312 912.87 913.26 Yeah . 913.26 IS1004c D MIO047 3 913.232 913.616 913.25 913.58 Yeah . 913.58 IS1004c B MIE090 1 920.959 934.525 921.43 934.43 But um , I've just indicated here , we could have actually two scroll wheels , 'cause I think the scroll wheel is a fairly um key part of , you know , I think everyone has has agreed that it's that it could be quite a useful um thing , so . 922.17 923.38 925.39 929.24 930.14 934.16 934.43 IS1004c C MIO022 2 927.904 933.536 928.0 933.5 Stable thing , that's right . To have , mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 928.81 930.37 932.04 933.19 933.5 IS1004c B MIE090 1 934.946 949.99 934.946 949.77 But I think it's important , you know , to have two scroll wheels because , you know , you want one for for the channel , but you also want one for for the volume , because it's it's the volume i it's , you know it's very handy for it to have uh instant kind of uh feedback uh and response , so . 936.49 936.76 939.07 939.3 941.3 942.81 944.96 949.41 949.77 IS1004c A MIO019 0 942.391 943.104 942.71 943.07 Mm . 943.07 IS1004c C MIO022 2 947.444 948.774 947.59 948.69 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 948.1 948.69 IS1004c B MIE090 1 950.545 975.666 950.545 975.666 But um , I've also included this turbo button because I think , you know , every design should have a turbo button , and well so this is you know , a unique problem with with televisions is that if you have this scro this scroll wheel for the television , the uh the tuner on the T_V_ is not gonna be able to to switch between stations as fast as you can scroll , so you know , the th the person might want to have a uh 951.99 954.12 955.05 957.4 959.6 965.31 971.98 972.66 IS1004c D MIO047 3 956.912 957.952 957.01 957.92 What's a turbo button ? 957.92 IS1004c B MIE090 1 976.269 992.773 976.44 992.53 Might want to be able to scroll past television stations without seeing what's on them , in which case it just waits until you stop scrolling and then , you know , displays that station . Or they might want to scroll and and have a quick glimpse of it , even if it lags behind what they're doing . 981.34 984.55 984.76 986.17 990.02 992.53 IS1004c D MIO047 3 991.771 993.536 991.85 993.5 It con it controls the speed ? 993.5 IS1004c B MIE090 1 993.872 1009.408 993.94 1009.36 Yeah , so with this turbo button you can , say , skip over t channels if uh , you know , if I'm if I'm going if I'm scrolling past them and you know , it's um , you could have a little red light that comes up when they press it so they feel you know it's really going fast or whatever . 994.13 995.25 995.44 998.86 999.41 1002.51 1004.03 1009.36 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1011.104 1022.206 1011.57 1021.98 So yeah , that's um , those are the two important uh features I think we need on the remote , but I mean we can discuss about what other kind of buttons we need , um . 1012.34 1013.32 1017.26 1021.47 1021.98 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1016.0 1016.352 1016.03 1016.31 Mm-hmm . 1016.31 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1022.713 1035.746 1022.89 1035.68 You know , i it could be , you know , if we if we wanna have like a very cheap kind of device , I mean , we could either consider that maybe we want to sell this as a very , if it's gonna be a banana , you know that's a pretty gimmicky kind of 1023.07 1024.14 1024.65 1028.13 1028.34 1032.24 1033.87 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1036.269 1053.885 1036.58 1053.74 thing that doesn't have that much functionality , it's just you know a couple of scroll wheels and a button cause it's hard to get so many buttons on a banana and it's still very it may even be for most for some people more functional than their current remote , but if they have these scroll wheels , so , um you know , what other buttons do we want ? 1038.89 1047.98 1049.22 1050.34 1052.64 1053.74 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1042.304 1043.133 1042.32 1042.86 It's enough . 1042.86 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1055.248 1055.568 1055.28 1055.53 Mm-hmm . 1055.53 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1055.936 1066.774 1055.96 1066.62 I mean we could have well , I guess you need an on and off switch , but you could you could o you could turn it turn it on by taking the top off the banana maybe , you know , it's kind of like a spy kind of flick thing . 1057.03 1058.38 1063.31 1063.63 1066.62 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1058.019 1059.008 1058.04 1058.97 Switch on . Yeah . 1058.65 1058.97 IS1004c D MIO047 3 1064.56 1069.76 1064.58 1069.36 Yeah . So sounds crazy . I like crazy ideas . 1065.42 1067.34 1069.36 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1068.32 1073.175 1068.32 1073.175 That's why you're a marketing guru . 1072.92 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1070.608 1076.352 1070.63 1076.32 Okay . So i it looks like we're going completely to forget about the L_C_D_ thing . 1071.5 1076.32 IS1004c D MIO047 3 1070.852 1072.624 1070.9 1072.624 Yeah , of course . 1071.52 1072.44 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1077.788 1083.104 1077.9 1083.06 Well , that's the thing , as have we decided that we can only spend , uh , twenty five Euro ? 1078.42 1078.94 1081.14 1082.27 1083.06 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1083.68 1084.925 1083.7 1084.925 I think that - IS1004c B MIE090 1 1084.144 1086.352 1084.17 1086.31 Well not spend , but you know , charge twenty five Euro . 1084.75 1085.26 1086.31 IS1004c D MIO047 3 1085.736 1095.456 1087.31 1095.42 I I think we could use somehow the s coffee machine dialogue interface or so . 1095.42 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1095.535 1097.552 1095.95 1097.47 No we can we can't use that . 1097.47 IS1004c D MIO047 3 1099.712 1101.796 1099.73 1101.62 You we can ? We can't . 1100.99 1101.62 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1100.857 1102.192 1100.97 1102.16 We can't use that to - IS1004c C MIO022 2 1103.307 1104.545 1103.48 1104.43 Communicate . 1104.43 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1103.856 1106.417 1103.88 1106.417 to comman co communicate , it's just a thing 1105.49 IS1004c D MIO047 3 1105.76 1109.024 1105.78 1108.96 Yeah , but we can say channel twenty five . No ? 1105.9 1108.6 1108.96 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1106.28 1107.517 1106.46 1107.37 It's one way . 1107.37 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1107.952 1108.288 1108.0 1108.24 No . 1108.24 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1109.008 1113.776 1109.11 1113.776 But then you have to have a template for every channel , for a hundred channels , you have to be able to to recognize 1111.2 1111.99 IS1004c D MIO047 3 1114.352 1117.001 1114.37 1117.001 It's not a lot one hundred templates , it's not 1116.19 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1114.317 1115.007 1114.41 1114.66 Mm-hmm . 1114.66 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1115.012 1115.559 1115.07 1115.49 Mm . 1115.49 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1116.272 1123.248 1116.29 1123.21 Well , I f I think it's probably more than , than our can handle because it's designed for a coffee machine , you know , to say hello in the morning . 1116.78 1119.12 1121.8 1122.1 1123.21 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1119.64 1120.496 1120.08 1120.46 Yeah . 1120.46 IS1004c D MIO047 3 1123.168 1127.104 1123.2 1127.07 Ah , it's designed for a cof okay . Is it design for a coffee machine ? 1123.39 1125.71 1127.07 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1127.136 1133.856 1127.16 1133.77 Well that's its current application , I would presume that it's kind of , they wouldn't design it to handle a hundred things th so . 1128.54 1130.39 1133.77 IS1004c D MIO047 3 1128.625 1129.517 1128.625 1129.42 Okay . 1129.42 IS1004c D MIO047 3 1131.852 1139.104 1131.852 1139.104 Yeah . Maybe you could ask your the you could ask the engineering department if we can 1133.83 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1137.783 1138.448 1137.95 1138.37 Mm-hmm . 1138.37 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1137.776 1142.416 1138.09 1142.38 Yeah . A good good good thing . You want to g to move to your slides ? You're finished ? 1138.66 1139.85 1141.95 1142.38 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1139.363 1140.188 1139.51 1140.188 But uh - IS1004c C MIO022 2 1140.608 1141.824 1140.69 1141.77 Yeah , that's right , yeah . 1141.11 1141.62 1141.77 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1142.816 1151.644 1142.84 1151.57 Well I just I just made the point , I don't I don't know if that speech recognition is , you know , even if we can do it , I think it's not really appropriate for uh television environment . 1144.07 1146.33 1146.78 1148.29 1151.57 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1150.032 1150.672 1150.08 1150.64 Yeah I think so . 1150.64 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1152.09 1176.026 1152.13 1175.82 But um I did have one thing from a previous meeting , you were talking about um being able to find the remote control and I was talking about extendin being able to extend the remote control by having you know , a base station that can control other things as well . It might be useful to have some kind of base station , even if it's just you press on a button on it and uh and the remote control starts beeping , you know , this is a way of finding the remote . 1155.0 1163.14 1165.79 1168.59 1173.22 1173.45 1175.82 IS1004c D MIO047 3 1156.185 1156.544 1156.32 1156.49 Yeah . 1156.49 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1165.312 1165.728 1165.35 1165.69 Mm-hmm . 1165.69 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1176.603 1187.535 1176.73 1187.535 Y in that case maybe the maybe the speech recognition the speech thing could be useful just to say I'm here but uh it's probably a bit of overkill if you could just have a a beeping - IS1004c A MIO019 0 1176.729 1177.528 1177.03 1177.27 Mm . 1177.27 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1180.945 1181.728 1181.02 1181.69 Exactly yeah . 1181.69 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1186.277 1190.832 1186.51 1190.68 So it's a speech synthesis kind of thing , something has been uh stored and it's just uh spoken out . 1188.62 1190.68 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1188.641 1190.054 1189.05 1190.054 It's speech - IS1004c B MIE090 1 1190.784 1198.4 1190.8 1198.3 It's it's speech synthesis and s it's speech kind of , not really speech recognition , but kind of pattern matching , yeah yeah . 1193.92 1195.02 1196.8 1198.3 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1192.352 1192.826 1192.39 1192.68 Mm-hmm . 1192.68 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1195.275 1200.512 1195.275 1200.44 Oh , good idea . Very good . Okay , let's move on . 1197.04 1198.37 1199.53 1199.94 1200.44 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1195.264 1196.753 1195.29 1196.67 Yeah . That's right . 1196.23 1196.67 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1203.152 1205.008 1203.17 1204.51 So you're two ? 1204.51 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1204.048 1204.736 1204.16 1204.53 That's right . 1204.53 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1208.992 1209.757 1209.15 1209.51 Okay . 1209.51 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1209.232 1234.357 1209.25 1234.08 So this is going to be about the component design . So first thing is we need power source for the remote control . So I was of the idea that we can have two kind of power supplies , one is the usual batteries which are there , they could be chargeable batteries if there's a basis station kind of thing and on top of that we can have solar cells , when the lighting conditions are good they can be used so it'll be pretty uh innovative kind . 1212.61 1215.92 1220.13 1222.55 1228.84 1234.08 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1212.144 1212.544 1212.18 1212.5 Mm-hmm . 1212.5 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1234.871 1245.29 1235.05 1245.22 Then uh we need plastic with some elasticity so that if your if the remote control falls it's not broken directly into pieces , there should be some flexibility in t 1243.52 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1244.768 1248.465 1244.79 1248.28 I guess that fits in with the spongy kind of design philosophy . 1248.28 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1247.936 1250.032 1247.96 1249.7 Yeah . 1249.7 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1249.536 1255.472 1249.56 1255.36 Yeah . So there should we should think of something like that and then it should be double curve . 1249.97 1255.36 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1256.368 1270.608 1256.39 1270.57 The s science for the ease of handling and there are some other issues why we need double curve . Then controls for the traditionals u traditional users we can have the push buttons so that they don't feel that it's an alien thing for them . 1263.17 1270.57 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1271.12 1279.974 1271.14 1279.974 So , just one second , when you say double curve , what do you actually mean ? You reckon you could like draw us a thing on the , on the whiteboard 'cause I'm not sure 1271.71 1272.28 1274.14 1274.91 1278.15 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1278.528 1281.808 1278.58 1281.68 Double curve is , you have curves on both the sides if I'm right . 1279.84 1281.68 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1283.808 1286.016 1283.83 1285.98 So it's symmetrical kind of thing , whatever it is . 1285.2 1285.98 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1285.187 1288.761 1285.76 1288.7 Okay , but like , kind of convex or concave ? 1286.13 1287.4 1288.7 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1287.216 1293.232 1287.24 1293.14 So , it could be curve , so it could be convex , conve concave , depending on what what we want . 1287.83 1289.2 1290.19 1291.62 1293.14 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1292.061 1293.68 1292.09 1293.58 Mm-hmm . Okay . 1293.35 1293.58 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1294.704 1305.595 1294.72 1305.49 So there are flats , there are single curve and there are double curves . These are the three things , and there are different materials , with plastic you can have double curve but with uh certain other materials we cannot have double curve . 1295.94 1298.09 1298.93 1300.21 1305.49 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1297.789 1298.311 1297.89 1298.24 Okay . 1298.24 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1305.991 1316.546 1306.01 1316.546 So there there was uh there were many other materials like wood , titanium and all those things , but plastic is I think is the most appropriate one , it'll bring the cost down and anyway it's 1309.59 1311.14 1314.1 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1313.812 1314.157 1313.9 1314.1 Yeah . 1314.1 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1316.064 1317.28 1316.08 1317.13 Although , you know , wood 1316.48 1316.83 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1318.352 1329.669 1318.38 1329.31 could be uh quite a stylish uh option , if you take like , nice quality kind of wood that's got a nice grain and you kind of put some , some varnish on . 1322.45 1324.05 1328.53 1329.31 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1326.699 1331.664 1326.78 1331.664 Mm but i but there is no elasticity which could be - IS1004c C MIO022 2 1330.992 1332.224 1331.02 1332.224 Wooden cases - IS1004c B MIE090 1 1331.908 1344.464 1331.908 1344.43 Well it depends , I mean , you have the outs the wood itself is not gonna break so you don't have to worry too much about the case being broken , it's the inside . Yeah but inside you know you could have you can still have some kind of cushioning that's not visible to the to the user . 1332.85 1333.06 1337.85 1338.79 1344.43 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1337.536 1339.271 1337.56 1338.99 Yeah but the components inside . 1338.99 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1342.288 1342.953 1342.37 1342.9 Mm-hmm . 1342.9 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1342.283 1343.256 1342.43 1343.16 Yeah . 1343.16 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1344.592 1345.776 1344.61 1345.73 Very too expensive to do . 1345.73 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1344.643 1345.164 1344.79 1345.1 Mm-hmm . 1345.1 IS1004c D MIO047 3 1346.88 1347.12 1346.9 1347.08 Yeah . 1347.08 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1348.128 1352.099 1348.2 1351.78 And I mean you could also , you can have just a very thin veneer of wood as well . 1349.52 1351.78 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1348.099 1349.235 1348.56 1349.235 And also uh - IS1004c A MIO019 0 1351.43 1356.144 1351.6 1356.09 Yeah but it's more easier to do a banana in plastic than uh in wood . 1356.09 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1356.944 1359.568 1357.0 1359.53 That's true , but are we set on the banana 1357.99 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1360.64 1361.152 1360.66 1361.11 idea ? 1361.11 IS1004c D MIO047 3 1362.192 1363.026 1362.25 1362.83 Actually - IS1004c A MIO019 0 1362.223 1366.352 1362.39 1366.31 Well it look like it looks like you are all targeting that yeah ? 1366.31 IS1004c D MIO047 3 1363.904 1364.816 1363.92 1364.78 I was thinking that the - IS1004c D MIO047 3 1366.832 1368.56 1366.85 1368.53 the shape of a banana is not - IS1004c D MIO047 3 1370.192 1371.168 1370.21 1371.13 it's not really handy . 1371.13 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1372.0 1372.496 1372.02 1372.46 Yes it is . 1372.46 IS1004c D MIO047 3 1373.376 1376.448 1373.376 1376.448 Uh I don't know the name o o in English uh - IS1004c D MIO047 3 1381.552 1386.144 1381.552 1386.11 This it's not a fruit it's a vegetable . 1386.11 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1383.712 1385.789 1383.77 1385.789 Is it an e apple which has - IS1004c B MIE090 1 1386.48 1388.56 1386.55 1388.56 It's like a pumpkin or - IS1004c A MIO019 0 1387.744 1389.744 1388.06 1389.71 Yeah ? Pumpkin . 1389.23 1389.71 IS1004c D MIO047 3 1390.208 1390.672 1390.24 1390.64 Green . 1390.64 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1391.104 1391.847 1391.12 1391.5 Green . 1391.5 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1391.173 1394.816 1391.48 1394.76 Green . Um um um , yes I see . 1391.95 1394.24 1394.76 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1396.432 1397.583 1396.45 1397.5 What does it taste like ? 1397.5 IS1004c D MIO047 3 1396.752 1398.176 1396.77 1398.09 And you put in the salad . 1398.09 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1396.718 1399.072 1398.4 1399.04 Pep pepperoni . 1399.04 IS1004c D MIO047 3 1399.956 1400.907 1400.05 1400.23 Um - IS1004c B MIE090 1 1400.096 1401.968 1400.12 1401.93 Ah yeah , is it what's it in French ? 1400.66 1401.93 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1402.576 1402.912 1402.6 1402.87 Poivron . 1402.87 IS1004c D MIO047 3 1403.648 1406.0 1403.76 1405.83 Oui c'est ca - IS1004c B MIE090 1 1404.224 1407.949 1404.59 1407.72 Yeah , okay , so capsicum or pepper . Yeah . 1405.0 1405.71 1407.54 1407.72 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1407.28 1407.984 1407.3 1407.79 Uh pepper . 1407.79 IS1004c D MIO047 3 1408.112 1408.72 1408.13 1408.57 Pepper . 1408.57 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1409.68 1411.974 1409.71 1411.84 But um they do d - IS1004c D MIO047 3 1410.736 1415.648 1411.25 1415.648 And it's al it also suits with the double curve for easy of - IS1004c A MIO019 0 1414.81 1415.694 1415.13 1415.55 Yeah . 1415.55 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1416.695 1420.425 1416.695 1420.28 I don't know , it seems a little bit kind of bulky to me , like 1417.68 1420.1 IS1004c D MIO047 3 1419.936 1421.869 1419.96 1421.869 No , I mean in a 1420.17 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1419.961 1420.718 1420.26 1420.56 Yeah . 1420.56 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1421.408 1427.823 1421.43 1427.823 It's not re it you you think it's really fancy and fun ? You think that young people that are 1425.68 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1421.714 1423.504 1421.714 1423.504 like with a banana you can have - IS1004c D MIO047 3 1426.848 1429.312 1426.87 1429.312 I'm sure it's fun . 1428.98 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1428.864 1430.64 1428.88 1430.45 Yeah . More than a banana ? 1429.23 1430.45 IS1004c D MIO047 3 1430.576 1434.896 1431.06 1434.86 But banana is not so handy , I think that's handier . 1433.58 1434.86 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1433.472 1438.192 1433.51 1438.15 Banana is more handier as compared to this I think , and to capsicum . 1436.5 1438.15 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1433.536 1434.473 1433.536 1434.473 Well - IS1004c B MIE090 1 1438.832 1443.787 1438.85 1443.58 But like a banana you can you can be holding like this and have the scroll wheel kind of on top and just - IS1004c A MIO019 0 1443.264 1443.824 1443.29 1443.79 Yeah . 1443.79 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1444.576 1450.798 1444.72 1450.798 roll it back and forth like that , but with uh I don't know how you would hold a capsicum and 1446.05 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1445.368 1461.76 1445.58 1461.73 It's kind it's kind of it's more uh it's really ergonomic , it's fit in the hand and you've a lot of surface to to put the controls . Okay let's move on . So time is running , let's move on . 1450.65 1458.79 1460.42 1461.29 1461.73 IS1004c D MIO047 3 1459.486 1460.53 1459.52 1460.29 Yeah you're right . 1460.29 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1461.28 1478.252 1461.7 1477.86 Okay , so push buttons for the traditional users so that they don't feel they are alienated , just and a scroll button with push technology for channel selection , volume control and teletext browsing . These are the three scroll buttons which are already available with us in the company and we we can go ahead with that . 1462.02 1466.35 1469.99 1472.32 1477.86 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1478.48 1479.441 1478.5 1479.21 Okay . 1479.21 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1478.252 1493.526 1478.89 1493.45 Yeah , we can go to the next slide . Then uh there are different kind of chips , one one is the basic chip and the regular chip and one an adva advanced chip . So we can have regular chip for control . Pricing is a factor for us , that's why we'll go for the regular chip . 1479.14 1481.07 1483.31 1488.57 1490.34 1492.02 1493.45 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1494.033 1503.005 1494.17 1502.64 And uh regular chip supports speaker support , so this functionality could be used for tracing the mobile phone which has been misplaced . 1497.25 1502.64 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1502.16 1507.417 1502.18 1507.417 So is that , when you say speaker support , you mean it just has some output pinned which which which kind of 1502.69 1504.19 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1507.024 1508.528 1507.04 1508.48 It could be a beep kind of thing . 1508.48 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1508.688 1514.998 1508.71 1514.74 Okay , but the speaker is actually attached to the to the chip in some way , or is just the the signal ? Okay . 1508.91 1512.71 1514.39 1514.74 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1512.846 1521.563 1513.08 1521.04 Yes , yes , that's right , it's it's onto the chip , most most probably , not not hundred per cent sure about that . 1513.62 1514.2 1514.71 1517.04 1519.31 1521.04 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1519.256 1519.693 1519.34 1519.65 Okay . 1519.65 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1520.688 1527.632 1520.8 1527.6 So are there any issues where we place this this chip to make sure you can actually hear the the speaker from the outside of the banana ? 1527.6 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1528.144 1539.12 1529.12 1539.08 That will be the volume control I think which which a user shou it it should be already pre-defined . It should be whatever will be the case , the chip is always going to be sitting inside . 1535.73 1537.3 1539.08 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1537.072 1537.897 1537.27 1537.63 Okay . 1537.63 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1539.776 1549.952 1539.8 1549.72 Yeah , but the speaker , if the speaker is actually on the chip , then if it's too far away from the the casing , or if the casing is too thick , then you may not hear the the speaker . 1540.32 1540.93 1543.42 1545.74 1547.11 1549.72 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1542.688 1543.04 1542.73 1543.01 Mm-hmm . 1543.01 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1548.64 1559.193 1548.68 1559.193 Uh , so we can have it at one of the boundaries so that things are slightly better . As or as hearing is concerned , we can have some gap at some place , so that 1549.65 1554.06 1555.93 1558.68 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1553.888 1554.252 1553.91 1554.17 Yeah . 1554.17 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1558.304 1564.656 1558.32 1564.62 Yeah . So that's something we have to keep in mind with the actual physical design is to keep the the speaker close enough to the outside . 1558.73 1564.62 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1562.464 1562.976 1562.49 1562.92 That's right . 1562.92 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1564.117 1569.76 1564.3 1569.72 Okay . Yeah . So these these were the component selection and these things . We can go to the next slide . 1564.74 1565.38 1568.76 1569.72 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1572.16 1600.768 1573.14 1600.73 And uh these were the findings which I I saw with the web web , that user wants to have control more than one device wants to control more than one device from the same remote control , so our T_V_ remote can have little extra things to support additional devices like V_C_R_ D_V_D_ players which are usually attached with the T_V_ , because users are like this and they don't want to have one remote control for everything , so with this additional little , we might be having slightly better market for us . 1577.97 1584.15 1591.84 1596.08 1598.39 1600.73 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1596.496 1598.073 1596.92 1598.073 Although , if 1597.44 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1600.623 1619.551 1600.79 1619.34 It depends , if we like , if we are concentrating on like a fruit design , then maybe maybe we wanna sell a collection of fruit , you know , like a different fruit for each device . Cause that , you know , that sometimes people like to collect um you know things that of a similar type . 1601.3 1602.59 1605.41 1609.02 1609.29 1611.19 1611.55 1611.79 1619.34 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1605.379 1606.119 1605.66 1606.03 Mm . 1606.03 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1608.543 1609.805 1608.83 1609.56 Of fruits . 1609.56 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1611.008 1617.424 1611.05 1617.38 Mm-hmm . Remotes objects , okay . 1615.16 1617.1 1617.38 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1614.995 1616.448 1615.52 1616.41 S objects . 1616.41 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1617.742 1618.946 1617.9 1618.87 Crazy objects . 1618.87 IS1004c D MIO047 3 1618.368 1625.648 1618.39 1625.61 I think that would be funny at the beginning but after one month you will be tired of be surrounded of fruits . 1625.61 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1626.112 1628.463 1626.13 1628.23 Well , you're the one who wanted to do fruit in the first place . 1626.36 1628.23 IS1004c D MIO047 3 1627.792 1630.688 1627.81 1630.64 No but I think just one fruit to control everything . 1630.64 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1631.087 1632.064 1631.18 1631.99 Like a power fruit . 1631.99 IS1004c D MIO047 3 1632.016 1637.76 1632.25 1637.25 A power fr a power M a Mando , a Supermando fruit . 1634.44 1637.25 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1635.523 1647.146 1635.523 1646.93 And uh as well as I could see on the web the scroll button is becoming really uh hot thing s and we should have it on the remote . 1646.93 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1644.48 1645.198 1644.51 1645.12 Yeah . 1645.12 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1644.615 1645.322 1644.78 1645.1 Okay . 1645.1 IS1004c D MIO047 3 1646.944 1652.128 1646.97 1652.03 Actually I I didn't understand very well this trace speaker lost control . 1652.03 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1646.948 1647.529 1647.09 1647.529 Well - IS1004c A MIO019 0 1646.938 1647.897 1647.1 1647.61 Okay , good . 1647.32 1647.61 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1652.176 1653.904 1652.33 1653.83 So you're having a basis station . 1653.83 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1654.928 1662.624 1654.97 1662.624 Okay . Your usually your remote sits on that . So you and it's that's why it can have chargeable batteries . Now let's say 1655.87 1658.3 1661.83 IS1004c D MIO047 3 1662.091 1665.488 1662.13 1665.45 So you you have to buy two things , the banana and the basis station . 1663.86 1665.45 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1664.548 1669.536 1665.05 1669.49 Bu it's it's . You s you you thing . 1667.69 1669.49 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1665.76 1667.249 1665.78 1667.1 Basis station is with the thing . 1667.1 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1670.496 1683.424 1670.55 1683.39 It's like a telephone handset is there and the basis station for the telephone hand set is there . So now what user gets additionally he doesn't have to buy batteries , they're rechargeable batteries , so over the period of cor time he'll recover the cost . 1675.33 1679.1 1680.65 1683.39 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1684.544 1692.657 1684.56 1692.657 So you're having the basis station and there is a button , if you press that button wherever the remote it'll start beeping so you know where the remote is . Uh 1686.69 1692.12 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1691.872 1693.568 1691.872 1693.52 I think that's a pretty handy feature . 1693.52 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1693.488 1694.08 1693.51 1694.04 Yeah . 1694.04 IS1004c D MIO047 3 1694.0 1694.32 1694.03 1694.28 Yeah . 1694.28 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1694.88 1702.912 1694.9 1702.88 I think it's kind of people would find that worth it even if it wasn't uh a recharging station , even if they didn't have to buy extra batteries , you know . 1701.03 1702.59 1702.88 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1700.864 1703.376 1701.09 1703.33 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm , mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 1701.57 1702.74 1703.06 1703.33 IS1004c D MIO047 3 1703.776 1707.856 1703.8 1707.856 Yeah but I'm a bit worried about the budget . 1707.77 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1703.762 1704.553 1704.09 1704.553 So - IS1004c C MIO022 2 1706.672 1717.575 1706.73 1717.54 Uh this is basis station is nothing more , just it's a wire which is coming from the main cable and uh you're having one socket on which the thing sits . 1709.43 1717.54 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1712.752 1713.456 1713.14 1713.42 Mm-hmm . 1713.42 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1717.152 1721.424 1717.17 1721.39 Although you do need to include R_F_ kind of circuitry in the remote . 1721.39 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1719.808 1737.6 1719.89 1737.55 That's right . But all these things are usually in-house so we don't have much problems . So component cost is going to be the least . Anyway , we are not using really advanced technology , L_C_D_ has already been ruled out , A_S_R_ has been ruled out . So it's the basic thing but very trendy and very user-friendly . 1720.98 1725.29 1727.89 1728.22 1730.06 1731.5 1733.05 1737.55 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1738.24 1761.434 1738.42 1761.33 Okay . I'm just wondering actually , 'cause , you know , I this whole fruit thing with the banana , it's um it seemed like it first seems a bit kind of uh niche , like only a few people would really want a banana , but what if it was kind of uh a stylised banana ? You know , rather than having it kind of you know yellow and really looking exactly like a banana , you could make it kind of silver . 1739.3 1741.57 1741.84 1742.21 1744.5 1749.4 1751.52 1754.84 1755.07 1760.0 1761.33 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1738.912 1739.312 1738.93 1739.312 And - IS1004c B MIE090 1 1762.153 1769.504 1762.22 1769.36 And um , you know to give you kind of the idea of a banana but without it looking you know completely 1763.27 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1771.152 1774.464 1771.17 1774.36 kitsch . For better want of a better word you know ? 1772.36 1774.36 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1774.4 1776.016 1774.42 1775.98 You think that yellow it's kitsch . 1775.98 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1774.136 1774.877 1774.51 1774.79 Mm-hmm . 1774.79 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1776.208 1780.064 1776.208 1780.03 Well , you know , I don I don't know how many peop 1777.67 1778.13 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1779.072 1783.696 1779.09 1783.66 If you make something that looks like a banana it should have the colour of a banana . 1783.66 IS1004c D MIO047 3 1779.141 1780.639 1779.47 1780.19 Yeah . 1780.19 IS1004c D MIO047 3 1782.019 1782.977 1782.2 1782.977 No , I I 1782.38 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1784.544 1791.104 1784.56 1791.104 A yeah , otherwise it'll be mis means you don't get b any feeling then . It's neither a banana nor a 1784.79 1789.35 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1785.184 1785.792 1785.184 1785.792 Well they - IS1004c A MIO019 0 1785.904 1787.286 1785.92 1787.286 O otherwise - IS1004c D MIO047 3 1787.376 1789.04 1787.4 1788.97 Maybe li like that . 1788.97 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1789.874 1791.808 1790.07 1791.808 Yeah , like this colour this colour 1790.24 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1793.024 1797.344 1793.04 1797.31 Maybe , you know , maybe like still in the shape of a banana . 1794.68 1795.05 1797.31 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1797.712 1798.512 1797.79 1798.48 Roughly . 1798.48 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1799.232 1827.904 1799.232 1827.87 No , exactly . Exactly . Um , but you know , just maybe maybe not exactly the same texture as a banana and just kind of , you know because the thing is it's gonna be a little bit difficult to make um to give like the texture of a banana anyway and to k to have the exact shape . I think if you're gonna not be able to do it properly you may as well do it in a stylised way that just looks a bit more kind of , you know , twenty first century rather than sixties or seventies . 1799.73 1801.85 1802.84 1803.67 1804.19 1809.24 1817.99 1824.21 1824.49 1827.87 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1826.448 1827.036 1826.47 1826.8 Yeah . 1826.8 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1829.12 1840.784 1830.4 1840.61 Okay . Let's move on . Uh uh yeah . Before before st before ending the meeting I'd like to to draw some sketch about the pro future prot prototype . Go for it . 1831.37 1832.02 1833.28 1840.27 1840.61 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1830.96 1833.269 1831.06 1833.04 And uh going to the last slide . 1833.04 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1839.632 1839.968 1839.66 1839.93 Okay . 1839.93 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1841.44 1841.744 1841.46 1841.7 Okay . 1841.7 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1843.224 1846.328 1843.47 1846.328 Well no , not not you , you can finish your slides before 1843.86 1844.66 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1844.669 1858.631 1844.94 1858.31 Okay . Okay , so . Anyway , users'll be so the findings is users'll be very interested in our locator device to find their misplaced remotes . So that was very I thought it's a very good suggestion by everybody . That's it . Yep . 1845.82 1846.1 1846.42 1846.86 1853.01 1857.05 1858.16 1858.31 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1851.552 1853.104 1851.57 1853.07 Mm okay . 1853.07 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1856.8 1902.442 1856.88 1902.38 Okay . That's all ? Okay , so mm so well done for the presentations . So we need to take some de decisions about um about what we're going to do . So I I propose that you go to the whiteboard and we're going to report all the ideas we had we had during this these presentations just to draw some sketch about what will be the prod final product and uh where Superman go banana and uh uh extra func functionalities such as wheels , um the speaker unit um well not in order not to lost the um the device , I do I don't remember you call it ? 1857.68 1858.66 1859.01 1862.69 1868.79 1894.0 1900.93 1902.38 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1871.856 1872.208 1871.92 1872.16 Yeah . 1872.16 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1881.526 1882.04 1881.68 1881.91 Okay . 1881.91 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1890.048 1890.384 1890.08 1890.35 Mm-hmm . 1890.35 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1901.904 1904.45 1901.93 1904.34 That's right . The basis station . That's right . 1902.44 1903.4 1904.34 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1903.344 1909.68 1903.37 1909.65 Basis station , yeah . Uh so um so we're going for a stylish 1904.09 1904.95 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1911.104 1912.224 1911.13 1912.08 banana shape . 1912.08 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1911.936 1924.176 1912.77 1924.12 Yeah , so , I guess you wanna hold like the way the end of the banana you wanna kind of hold as ma you maybe wanna kinda hold like a gun rather than 'cause you don't want it to point kind of towards the floor . 1913.21 1913.68 1924.12 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1923.195 1924.64 1923.31 1924.5 Yeah , right . 1924.19 1924.5 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1925.184 1925.968 1925.2 1925.85 So - IS1004c B MIE090 1 1927.232 1928.697 1927.25 1928.697 you know , so if you have like 1927.51 IS1004c D MIO047 3 1929.387 1931.312 1929.59 1931.23 What about what about this shape ? 1931.23 IS1004c D MIO047 3 1932.368 1933.152 1932.39 1933.07 More or less . 1933.07 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1933.728 1934.215 1933.75 1933.96 We - IS1004c C MIO022 2 1934.336 1936.88 1934.37 1936.85 There's less space on this to put with the buttons . 1936.85 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1937.136 1966.048 1937.23 1965.99 I if it i if it has really the model shape of a bana you could the the starting is good but it could it should have more the shape of a banana if you want to point really a at the thing . If you don't want to to to do that movement which is which is difficult if you don't have to do it in fact , it's better . So ti time is running , we have to we have to we have to to move forward . So let's skip to uh this uh this this this idea . Yeah . 1947.35 1954.64 1956.14 1957.33 1960.16 1965.78 1965.99 IS1004c D MIO047 3 1938.112 1940.407 1938.14 1940.3 Yeah , but how many buttons do we need ? 1938.34 1940.3 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1955.732 1956.986 1956.09 1956.986 Uh what about a - IS1004c B MIE090 1 1966.657 1967.664 1966.81 1967.664 Okay , so 1967.07 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1970.576 1974.56 1970.86 1974.5 So we have this . We have a a basis um , how do you call it ? 1971.62 1973.45 1974.5 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1970.778 1971.647 1971.03 1971.647 So - IS1004c C MIO022 2 1975.328 1976.112 1975.36 1976.07 The base station . 1976.07 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1976.048 1981.072 1976.1 1981.03 A base station . We'll have a base station extra uh on the side . 1977.76 1981.03 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1977.076 1977.8 1977.23 1977.53 Right . 1977.53 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1980.338 1986.512 1980.338 1986.48 okay , so I guess we need , you know , something that can fit a banana 1981.46 1983.66 1983.89 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1987.984 1988.784 1988.0 1988.75 shaped object . 1988.75 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1988.8 1989.568 1988.84 1989.53 Mm-hmm . Yeah . 1989.29 1989.53 IS1004c A MIO019 0 1988.787 2005.84 1988.87 2005.8 Yeah . Uh , we have a R_F_ for um for beeping for beeping . We need b R_F_ to beep . So we that means we need a button on th on the on the basis . 1990.2 1990.83 1998.17 2000.54 2005.8 IS1004c C MIO022 2 1996.464 1998.428 1996.49 1998.29 That's right , yeah , we need that , yeah . 1997.11 1997.36 1998.08 1998.29 IS1004c B MIE090 1 1999.152 2001.038 1999.28 2001.038 Okay , so it's uh 2000.16 IS1004c B MIE090 1 2006.121 2006.836 2006.41 2006.62 Yeah . 2006.62 IS1004c C MIO022 2 2006.4 2008.964 2006.55 2008.88 Basis station . Yeah , yeah . 2008.15 2008.73 2008.88 IS1004c A MIO019 0 2007.312 2010.88 2007.35 2010.88 Basis station , thank you . 2008.23 2010.81 IS1004c B MIE090 1 2010.958 2013.808 2011.14 2013.77 Alright , so we need uh okay . 2011.51 2013.77 IS1004c A MIO019 0 2024.032 2038.114 2024.05 2037.94 Can you go quickly please ? Okay . So we are going to add uh also um you as you suggested the whee some wheels to control the volumes and channels and your tur turbo turbo uh button . 2025.35 2026.3 2037.94 IS1004c B MIE090 1 2023.99 2024.503 2024.13 2024.32 Yeah . 2024.32 IS1004c B MIE090 1 2033.648 2033.952 2033.67 2033.92 Yeah . 2033.92 IS1004c B MIE090 1 2037.136 2043.357 2037.16 2043.357 Yeah , which I think it's it's probably best actually on the on the underneath of the the device , so you have 2037.45 2042.61 IS1004c C MIO022 2 2037.27 2038.16 2037.43 2038.11 Turbo button . 2038.11 IS1004c A MIO019 0 2041.52 2048.0 2041.54 2047.97 Yeah , on the th yeah , maybe here . And the and the wheel a a at the level of the thumb for instance . 2041.96 2043.17 2044.28 2047.97 IS1004c B MIE090 1 2044.272 2044.729 2044.32 2044.69 Yes . 2044.69 IS1004c B MIE090 1 2048.304 2059.728 2048.32 2059.728 Yeah , so you have the thumb kind of here . So yeah , you need one one here and one on on the other side , so you got volume an and channel . And , uh 2048.58 2051.31 2051.8 2055.57 2058.81 2059.28 IS1004c A MIO019 0 2050.057 2051.392 2050.14 2051.36 And and you have two wheels . 2051.36 IS1004c A MIO019 0 2054.944 2055.568 2054.97 2055.53 Okay right . 2055.53 IS1004c A MIO019 0 2057.984 2058.272 2058.02 2058.24 Good . 2058.24 IS1004c A MIO019 0 2059.178 2060.8 2059.2 2060.76 So no L_C_D_ . 2060.76 IS1004c B MIE090 1 2061.626 2062.288 2061.74 2062.25 No L_C_D_ . 2062.25 IS1004c A MIO019 0 2062.288 2064.368 2062.31 2064.33 Okay great . Um . 2063.9 2064.33 IS1004c A MIO019 0 2066.453 2067.504 2066.453 2067.46 Very good . 2067.46 IS1004c C MIO022 2 2067.984 2068.352 2068.01 2068.32 Okay . 2068.32 IS1004c B MIE090 1 2068.352 2072.288 2068.37 2072.23 Oh we need a we need a power um on off switch as well . 2072.23 IS1004c A MIO019 0 2072.528 2074.016 2072.55 2073.94 Yeah . 2073.94 IS1004c C MIO022 2 2072.896 2074.368 2072.92 2074.22 Uh for the remote ? 2074.22 IS1004c B MIE090 1 2075.136 2075.44 2075.16 2075.41 Yeah . 2075.41 IS1004c A MIO019 0 2075.68 2080.19 2075.7 2080.19 Oh , just the switch , no f not for the T_V_ for the T_V_ . Uh so you 2075.84 2076.58 2078.79 IS1004c C MIO022 2 2075.878 2078.072 2076.0 2078.04 Remotes don't have power on off switch . 2078.04 IS1004c B MIE090 1 2078.64 2079.021 2078.66 2078.82 Yeah . 2078.82 IS1004c C MIO022 2 2078.768 2083.728 2078.79 2083.69 Okay . S no , that'll be controlled by the those buttons'll be there already , yeah . 2079.39 2079.87 2083.48 2083.69 IS1004c D MIO047 3 2081.571 2082.833 2081.82 2082.8 What a - IS1004c B MIE090 1 2084.528 2084.928 2084.62 2084.88 Where ? 2084.88 IS1004c C MIO022 2 2085.584 2086.796 2085.6 2086.68 Means on the remote . 2086.68 IS1004c A MIO019 0 2086.094 2086.672 2086.11 2086.64 On the side . 2086.64 IS1004c C MIO022 2 2087.92 2100.4 2087.96 2100.37 Because remote is going to have both the interfaces , scroll as well as buttons . They are not going to cost you much , everything is in-house and now you don't want the traditional users to be apprehensive of this . 2090.56 2092.41 2094.75 2100.37 IS1004c B MIE090 1 2087.966 2088.48 2087.99 2088.35 Okay . 2088.35 IS1004c B MIE090 1 2100.848 2105.728 2101.13 2105.69 Well , I dunno if the traditional user is gonna buy a a banana remote 2101.68 IS1004c C MIO022 2 2106.72 2110.4 2106.81 2110.36 Oh , yeah . That's that's another issue which I didn't think of . 2107.12 2107.84 2110.36 IS1004c B MIE090 1 2106.976 2108.08 2107.0 2108.04 in the first place , you know . 2107.78 2108.04 IS1004c B MIE090 1 2109.136 2112.016 2109.16 2112.016 Y I mean you need to kind of keep it um - IS1004c C MIO022 2 2112.56 2119.174 2112.59 2119.0 But you know our targets are very high , means fifty million Euros is the profit which we want make . 2114.82 2119.0 IS1004c D MIO047 3 2118.496 2119.713 2118.52 2119.713 What about - IS1004c B MIE090 1 2119.232 2122.033 2119.25 2122.033 Yeah , how many of these did we wanna sell ? I can't remember , what was 2119.36 2120.83 2121.41 IS1004c C MIO022 2 2121.253 2124.256 2121.3 2124.2 Twenty five . Twelve point five is the profit on one . 2122.57 2124.2 IS1004c A MIO019 0 2122.48 2123.639 2122.85 2123.55 Twenty five . 2123.55 IS1004c B MIE090 1 2124.816 2127.728 2124.84 2127.69 Yeah , but how many units did we need to to sell ? 2125.1 2127.69 IS1004c C MIO022 2 2127.984 2129.744 2128.01 2129.71 Uh forty th four . 2129.71 IS1004c D MIO047 3 2130.08 2131.696 2130.17 2131.63 Four millions ? 2131.63 IS1004c C MIO022 2 2130.457 2131.584 2130.48 2131.53 Point point four million ? 2131.53 IS1004c B MIE090 1 2133.056 2133.952 2133.08 2133.92 Four point four million . 2133.92 IS1004c C MIO022 2 2134.032 2134.768 2134.05 2134.73 Point four million . 2134.73 IS1004c B MIE090 1 2135.808 2137.008 2135.808 2136.97 That's a lot of fruit . 2136.97 IS1004c C MIO022 2 2137.648 2141.453 2137.648 2141.27 In the market . 2141.27 IS1004c D MIO047 3 2138.448 2141.607 2138.448 2141.607 What about a - IS1004c A MIO019 0 2138.981 2139.584 2139.21 2139.55 Yeah . 2139.55 IS1004c A MIO019 0 2140.736 2151.968 2140.76 2151.93 So . Well . No . Time is running , we have to close the meeting in a few minutes . So , okay , the next step , you can come back to your seat . The next step is to go for to f is to go to uh 2141.18 2141.58 2141.86 2142.49 2144.1 2144.88 2145.23 2146.23 2147.74 IS1004c B MIE090 1 2143.259 2144.042 2143.53 2143.89 Okay . 2143.89 IS1004c B MIE090 1 2146.976 2147.366 2147.01 2147.25 Okay . 2147.25 IS1004c A MIO019 0 2152.96 2173.264 2153.08 2173.18 to building a prototype , based on this , okay ? So next meeting you guys have to prepare the followi things . You have to uh work on the look and feel uh design and you have to work on the user interface , in fact you two you have to work together to model the first uh f first prototype . 2155.42 2156.78 2157.84 2162.9 2168.19 2173.18 IS1004c B MIE090 1 2156.764 2157.581 2157.23 2157.52 Okay . 2157.52 IS1004c C MIO022 2 2169.856 2170.24 2169.89 2170.2 Mm-hmm . 2170.2 IS1004c A MIO019 0 2174.32 2178.64 2174.34 2178.6 Uh Marketing Expert uh have to go to product evaluation . 2178.6 IS1004c A MIO019 0 2180.336 2180.768 2180.36 2180.73 Okay ? 2180.73 IS1004c D MIO047 3 2180.268 2191.68 2180.43 2191.5 I wo what about adding the this word spotting , keyword spotting recognition saying volume up volume down ? 2186.52 2191.5 IS1004c A MIO019 0 2191.504 2192.304 2191.52 2192.26 It's too difficult . 2192.26 IS1004c D MIO047 3 2192.944 2206.112 2192.96 2206.08 It's too difficult but people like innovation and that's really uh innovative and I don't know if it would cost a lot , just a few five words . 2203.53 2206.08 IS1004c A MIO019 0 2206.279 2213.44 2206.3 2213.31 It's not a possi it will not be possible to implement it for the next prototype , so t it's in the next prototype so let's skip it . 2210.0 2213.31 IS1004c B MIE090 1 2212.08 2212.77 2212.26 2212.59 Uh . 2212.59 IS1004c D MIO047 3 2213.712 2214.416 2213.712 2214.28 Okay . 2214.28 IS1004c C MIO022 2 2214.352 2217.296 2214.37 2217.296 For the future prototypes . 2217.06 IS1004c A MIO019 0 2215.776 2225.067 2215.8 2225.03 Yeah , maybe , for the n if if if it it works well , we'll go for uh an orange one . Yeah yeah , honour the fruit . 2216.27 2216.7 2219.6 2222.51 2224.32 2225.03 IS1004c B MIE090 1 2217.904 2218.968 2217.92 2218.89 That can be the t - IS1004c B MIE090 1 2220.304 2223.583 2220.32 2223.51 That can be like the turbo banana plus plus commando . 2223.51 IS1004c D MIO047 3 2222.864 2229.726 2222.88 2229.726 Plus plus , okay . Maybe objective banana ? 2223.85 2225.03 2229.66 IS1004c A MIO019 0 2226.192 2232.208 2226.21 2232.17 Okay . Thanks very much . We'll see n next meeting . Bye . 2228.52 2230.1 2232.01 2232.17 IS1004c C MIO022 2 2232.24 2233.184 2232.26 2233.15 So meeting's over ? 2233.15 IS1004c B MIE090 1 2232.226 2235.664 2232.58 2235.63 Okay . Yep . We have to go design the prototype . 2233.71 2234.27 2235.63 IS1004c C MIO022 2 2234.24 2237.376 2234.26 2237.27 Okay . Okay . Okay . Thank you . 2235.06 2235.82 2236.94 2237.27 IS1004c A MIO019 0 2237.968 2238.288 2237.99 2238.25 Thank you . 2238.25 IS1004c D MIO047 3 2237.923 2238.941 2238.45 2238.83 Thank you . 2238.83 IS1004c C MIO022 2 2244.336 2250.736 2245.37 2247.0 The problem is after all this meeting there is - IS1004d A MIO019 0 25.344 27.44 25.38 27.2 Okay . Good afternoon again . 26.0 27.2 IS1004d A MIO019 0 28.432 85.6 28.45 85.6 So we should have our final meeting about the detail designed of detail design of the product of the remote control . Um So here is the agenda for today . Uh uh just going to go quickly through the minutes of the last last uh meeting then we have a p presentation of prototype of you two , sounds interesting . And we'll have um presentation of evaluation crit criteria by ou our Marketing Experts . Then we'll have to go through finance evaluation of the of the cost of the thing and um hopefully uh we should fit the target o tw of twelve point five uh uh Euro . Okay . So let's go . Uh if I go quickly through the minutes of the last meeting . 41.17 45.31 55.1 57.34 63.16 79.84 80.26 81.25 85.45 IS1004d A MIO019 0 87.184 92.512 87.2 92.48 So we went through th uh w we took this following decisions . 92.48 IS1004d A MIO019 0 93.664 123.286 93.81 123.09 No L_C_D_ , no speech recognition technology , okay , we went through a b to a banana look and feel for the remote control . We went through the use of wheels and but buttons . And also the use of a basis station for battery ch charging and uh also to um call the to call the mot mote remote control when it is lost . Okay . Um . Good . 95.22 97.07 98.29 103.07 108.52 120.2 121.78 122.8 123.09 IS1004d A MIO019 0 124.416 125.664 124.44 125.63 So guys - IS1004d A MIO019 0 127.872 129.776 127.89 129.74 let this uh wonderful thing . 129.74 IS1004d C MIO022 2 131.92 134.873 131.95 134.79 Okay so we can go to the slides . Yeah . 134.67 134.79 IS1004d A MIO019 0 133.76 137.825 133.76 137.72 Oh yeah . Sorry . Um . 134.18 136.98 137.72 IS1004d C MIO022 2 137.488 139.216 137.51 139.17 Number three . Oh number two sorry . 138.39 139.17 IS1004d A MIO019 0 142.912 143.89 142.93 143.89 Which is - IS1004d C MIO022 2 143.076 144.912 143.23 144.82 So final design . Final design . 144.19 144.82 IS1004d C MIO022 2 146.368 147.376 146.39 147.31 Okay so - IS1004d C MIO022 2 148.624 149.536 148.65 149.45 Michael you can go ahead . 149.45 IS1004d B MIE090 1 149.536 155.152 150.72 155.12 Yeah so uh following our decision to uh - IS1004d B MIE090 1 156.368 158.56 156.39 158.52 make a yellow well to make a banana - IS1004d A MIO019 0 158.64 161.184 158.66 161.15 Yeah can you show it to the the camera maybe . 161.15 IS1004d B MIE090 1 160.048 162.208 160.27 162.17 remote okay so - IS1004d B MIE090 1 164.064 165.104 164.08 165.104 we actually have a - IS1004d C MIO022 2 165.44 167.41 165.46 167.25 You can pull it out first , maybe . 166.73 167.25 IS1004d B MIE090 1 166.494 177.792 166.67 177.73 We've well first first of all we made a an attractive base station uh with a banana leaf uh look and feel um and uh - IS1004d A MIO019 0 173.728 174.128 173.75 174.09 Mm-hmm . 174.09 IS1004d B MIE090 1 178.928 192.56 178.95 192.46 bana sit the banana sits in there k you know nicely weighted so that it's not gonna tip over and um this is the remote itself , it's kind of it's it's ergonomic , it fits in the hand uh rather well . We've got the two uh 185.75 187.48 191.32 IS1004d B MIE090 1 193.632 210.608 193.632 210.57 uh scroll wheels here which you know one on the the left for the uh volume and the one on the right for for the channel and uh underneath we have the uh the turbo button which is in like a nice uh trigger position for you know for pressing quite naturally . 210.57 IS1004d A MIO019 0 209.728 213.088 210.56 213.05 What's the use uh of the t turbo button already ? 213.05 IS1004d B MIE090 1 213.232 222.393 213.27 222.26 This is when you when you uh are scrolling the uh through the channels you can tell it to to skip th past channels that you quickly rather th - IS1004d A MIO019 0 220.169 223.874 220.35 223.72 Ah yeah yeah an then you stop when you stop it stops . 223.72 IS1004d B MIE090 1 224.576 233.5 224.6 233.3 Yeah . Well when you stop scrolling the wheel it stops . But normally with uh it will just uh s stay on each station briefly so you can see the the picture . 225.03 227.11 233.3 IS1004d C MIO022 2 227.053 227.987 227.23 227.987 Uh - IS1004d A MIO019 0 231.36 231.792 231.39 231.76 Uh-huh . 231.76 IS1004d C MIO022 2 232.08 240.608 232.1 240.57 And we we do have one more functionality . If you take the banana as such and uh you press the turbo button , so it switch ons the switch ons the T_V_ . 234.45 238.72 240.57 IS1004d B MIE090 1 240.704 250.137 240.72 249.92 The T_V_ yeah . The s the turbo button . So rather than having uh an extra button for um for the on off switch you just use the turbo button . 242.09 243.26 249.92 IS1004d A MIO019 0 241.456 241.936 241.48 241.89 Which one ? 241.89 IS1004d C MIO022 2 242.272 243.14 242.3 243.01 The turbo button . 243.01 IS1004d A MIO019 0 243.207 243.897 243.35 243.84 Okay . 243.84 IS1004d C MIO022 2 244.88 245.616 244.9 245.58 Additional button . 245.58 IS1004d D MIO047 3 250.704 251.784 250.76 251.66 What this button for ? 251.66 IS1004d B MIE090 1 251.312 258.032 251.33 258.032 This is a teletext button . So once you press that then you get teletext and you can use the the channel selector scroll wheel as uh 253.27 IS1004d D MIO047 3 252.912 253.232 252.93 253.18 Okay . 253.18 IS1004d A MIO019 0 258.56 260.753 258.58 260.5 To navigate it through th through teletext . 260.5 IS1004d D MIO047 3 258.53 262.379 258.79 262.3 But if you want to go to page seven hundred ? 262.3 IS1004d B MIE090 1 259.056 260.226 259.08 259.98 To navigate yeah . 259.98 IS1004d C MIO022 2 259.312 260.749 259.36 260.38 That's right , that's right . 259.96 260.38 IS1004d B MIE090 1 263.568 263.84 263.59 263.78 Yeah . 263.78 IS1004d A MIO019 0 264.688 265.984 264.688 265.95 with the wheel it's easy . 265.95 IS1004d D MIO047 3 264.96 265.653 264.98 265.31 How man - IS1004d B MIE090 1 265.92 279.248 265.94 279.21 Well then you can you you have like a little uh number selection thing , you press the the the teletext button uh to move between uh the fields and then you can just scroll the number back and forth so you have s you go you scroll to seven and then 269.2 IS1004d B MIE090 1 280.256 282.863 280.28 282.863 zero zero and then you can uh - IS1004d D MIO047 3 283.84 288.206 283.86 288.206 I don't understand it . Can you repeat it ? 284.85 288.03 IS1004d B MIE090 1 285.488 292.539 285.488 292.42 Well you can you can press press the teletext button and then you then you can you can f - IS1004d D MIO047 3 290.24 290.68 290.26 290.48 Yeah . 290.48 IS1004d C MIO022 2 290.232 294.208 290.37 294.17 So then then both the scroll buttons they are for teletext browsing . 294.17 IS1004d C MIO022 2 295.504 304.143 295.52 303.89 And you can tele yeah , once you press the teletext button then the scroll buttons they are more for teletext , they are no more for channel or vol volume . Yeah . 297.03 301.37 303.74 303.89 IS1004d D MIO047 3 296.208 298.304 296.23 298.26 Ah okay okay . Okay . Okay okay . 297.11 297.6 298.26 IS1004d B MIE090 1 297.008 298.099 297.34 298.099 Mm uh - IS1004d D MIO047 3 300.066 300.832 300.14 300.57 Okay . 300.57 IS1004d D MIO047 3 303.152 304.784 303.17 304.59 I see . I see . Okay . Okay . 303.48 303.75 304.33 304.59 IS1004d B MIE090 1 305.056 309.776 305.056 309.66 And this is the uh the infrared uh port . 309.66 IS1004d C MIO022 2 309.888 310.336 309.91 310.29 That's right . 310.29 IS1004d B MIE090 1 311.152 321.264 311.17 321.22 Also the top of the banana . So . And then we have in the uh in the base station we have the the button at the front for uh for calling the uh the banana . 313.01 313.64 321.22 IS1004d C MIO022 2 312.72 312.912 312.75 312.88 Yeah . 312.88 IS1004d A MIO019 0 312.738 313.613 312.99 313.48 Excellent . 313.48 IS1004d A MIO019 0 319.04 319.632 319.19 319.55 Calling . 319.55 IS1004d C MIO022 2 321.472 321.712 321.58 321.68 Yeah . 321.68 IS1004d A MIO019 0 321.76 324.912 321.78 324.68 Excellent . And the the leaves plays the roles of of antennas ? 322.16 324.68 IS1004d B MIE090 1 325.472 332.047 325.52 331.89 Actually they do . That's that's yeah that's uh that's form and function in the one in the one uh object . 326.88 331.89 IS1004d A MIO019 0 326.871 327.947 326.96 327.73 Oh . 327.73 IS1004d C MIO022 2 328.723 329.43 328.96 329.15 Yeah . 329.15 IS1004d C MIO022 2 330.346 337.808 330.57 337.77 So it always means , whatever the rays goes by they they get reflected and then you are having a better coverage . It's like antennas . 332.35 336.74 337.77 IS1004d B MIE090 1 338.096 339.856 338.12 339.76 Yeah . So . 339.33 339.76 IS1004d B MIE090 1 341.28 345.731 341.3 345.59 But yeah that's um that's just like that's an attractive um base station . 345.59 IS1004d A MIO019 0 345.872 347.138 345.89 347.138 Great . 347.06 IS1004d B MIE090 1 346.496 347.552 346.496 347.43 So . 347.43 IS1004d B MIE090 1 348.8 349.678 348.93 349.33 Okay . 349.33 IS1004d A MIO019 0 348.712 350.192 349.01 349.96 So , what else ? 349.24 349.96 IS1004d C MIO022 2 351.168 365.024 351.2 364.93 And for the power source we are having solar cells and rechargeable batteries and this and uh the basis station is going to have the input from the mm power line for for charging the batteries . 364.93 IS1004d D MIO047 3 365.024 367.856 365.024 367.856 Is it really weight ? Is it light or 366.72 IS1004d C MIO022 2 367.776 368.784 367.89 368.69 It is very light . 368.69 IS1004d A MIO019 0 368.829 370.284 368.9 369.95 Yeah , they're light . 369.43 369.95 IS1004d D MIO047 3 369.152 369.55 369.17 369.46 Okay . 369.46 IS1004d B MIE090 1 369.161 371.616 369.48 371.39 It's it's uh it's about the weight of a banana . 371.39 IS1004d D MIO047 3 372.736 373.056 372.76 373.01 Okay . 373.01 IS1004d B MIE090 1 373.408 375.072 373.43 375.04 You know , to give you the correct look and feel . 373.74 375.04 IS1004d C MIO022 2 375.358 385.36 375.44 385.36 Yeah . And we have put these different colours so that people don't mistake them mistake it as a banana . Otherwise it's you know a child comes and so 376.44 382.23 IS1004d D MIO047 3 375.317 376.141 375.55 376.04 Ok - IS1004d D MIO047 3 382.032 382.721 382.12 382.37 Okay . 382.37 IS1004d D MIO047 3 383.376 385.483 383.4 385.3 Yeah yeah yeah , I see . I under I understand . 383.8 384.33 385.3 IS1004d B MIE090 1 385.952 388.56 385.97 388.5 I think a child would try to eat it anyway , so maybe we should 387.59 IS1004d C MIO022 2 387.936 388.46 387.96 388.34 Yeah . 388.34 IS1004d B MIE090 1 390.016 393.344 390.04 393.15 consider that . maybe health and safety aspects . 391.49 393.15 IS1004d A MIO019 0 392.909 393.431 393.04 393.34 Ah yeah . 393.34 IS1004d C MIO022 2 393.552 393.952 393.58 393.9 Mm-hmm . 393.9 IS1004d C MIO022 2 394.96 396.88 394.98 396.81 Oh we didn't think of that yet . Yeah . 396.54 396.81 IS1004d B MIE090 1 396.272 396.813 396.3 396.61 Yeah . 396.61 IS1004d A MIO019 0 396.768 403.92 396.98 403.89 So for the power source , apparently you still you you want to use both solar cells and batteries . 399.15 403.89 IS1004d C MIO022 2 403.264 404.352 403.28 404.3 Oh yeah that's right . 404.3 IS1004d A MIO019 0 405.2 407.922 405.22 407.922 Uh you mean okay . So 407.18 IS1004d B MIE090 1 406.829 411.348 407.18 411.01 I don't really know if the solar cells are actually necessary any more if you have a recharging base station . 411.01 IS1004d A MIO019 0 408.896 412.416 408.92 412.38 Yeah , where are going to where are you are you going to place them ? 409.56 412.38 IS1004d C MIO022 2 410.558 411.888 411.01 411.81 Mm-hmm mm-hmm . 411.81 IS1004d C MIO022 2 413.68 416.067 413.77 415.81 It'll It'll be always at top somewhere at there . 415.81 IS1004d B MIE090 1 415.648 424.56 415.67 424.38 If I was gonna place them I'd put them on the on the top here since that's like uh the black bit but yeah I don't I really don't think it's necessary to have the solar cells anymore . 424.38 IS1004d A MIO019 0 419.552 421.344 419.61 421.344 You have enough surface ? You 420.89 IS1004d C MIO022 2 423.856 428.656 423.88 428.45 Yeah because now we are having rechargeable batteries so that that is . 428.45 IS1004d A MIO019 0 426.112 429.344 426.26 429.31 Okay . What will be the autonomy ? Roughly ? 427.48 428.93 429.31 IS1004d B MIE090 1 426.252 426.79 426.55 426.63 Mm . 426.63 IS1004d B MIE090 1 429.632 430.897 430.22 430.76 The what sorry ? 430.76 IS1004d A MIO019 0 430.736 431.664 430.88 431.63 The autonomy . 431.63 IS1004d A MIO019 0 434.005 435.2 434.3 434.98 Autonomy . 434.98 IS1004d B MIE090 1 435.792 436.448 435.81 436.31 What do you mean ? 436.31 IS1004d A MIO019 0 436.992 441.712 437.01 441.67 Uh I mean how long does i how how how long can it be held off a station ? 441.67 IS1004d D MIO047 3 436.97 439.904 437.13 439.87 How long the how long the bit the batteries long . 439.87 IS1004d B MIE090 1 438.946 439.704 439.21 439.4 Ah . 439.4 IS1004d B MIE090 1 440.896 441.168 440.92 441.13 Ah . 441.13 IS1004d B MIE090 1 442.608 443.248 442.63 443.21 A long time . 443.21 IS1004d A MIO019 0 443.536 446.487 443.56 446.487 Yeah . A long 444.55 IS1004d B MIE090 1 444.462 448.928 444.462 448.89 No no no , it can it should be weeks . 447.52 448.89 IS1004d C MIO022 2 444.512 446.304 444.53 446.22 Eight to ten eight to ten hours . 446.22 IS1004d C MIO022 2 448.115 450.944 448.25 450.9 N most no most of the time it's not being used . 450.9 IS1004d A MIO019 0 451.088 452.144 451.18 452.144 Yeah , so it's 451.53 IS1004d B MIE090 1 452.064 456.928 452.08 456.928 Yeah but y people don't like to put it back in the base station all the time people leave wanna leave it on the couch so - IS1004d C MIO022 2 452.082 453.83 452.1 453.83 So when when you are making it on - IS1004d A MIO019 0 453.568 454.856 453.59 454.856 It's used only when you - IS1004d C MIO022 2 455.066 455.597 455.21 455.56 Mm . 455.56 IS1004d C MIO022 2 456.542 462.464 456.69 462.43 Mm-hmm . No eight or eight or ten hours of working . If you are just leaving like that it'll be much longer . 457.48 460.18 462.43 IS1004d B MIE090 1 459.988 461.888 460.25 461.84 Ah , okay . Okay . 460.59 461.56 461.84 IS1004d A MIO019 0 462.672 463.664 462.69 463.63 Yeah . F weeks . 463.04 463.63 IS1004d C MIO022 2 463.808 464.704 463.83 464.67 Yeah . That's right . 464.39 464.67 IS1004d B MIE090 1 464.144 464.336 464.16 464.3 Yeah . 464.3 IS1004d A MIO019 0 466.405 467.011 466.56 466.95 Right . 466.95 IS1004d A MIO019 0 468.4 468.944 468.42 468.87 Next slide ? 468.87 IS1004d C MIO022 2 469.488 469.696 469.51 469.66 Yeah . 469.66 IS1004d C MIO022 2 473.296 480.658 473.37 480.6 And we are having the speakers regular chip for control . Pricing is was a factor so that's why we have gone for a regular chip only not the advanced chip . 475.99 480.6 IS1004d C MIO022 2 481.84 483.854 481.86 483.76 And uh that's it . 483.76 IS1004d A MIO019 0 485.936 494.608 485.97 494.57 Okay . Okay . Those really sounds very good . Nothing else to add ? 487.12 487.76 493.95 494.57 IS1004d C MIO022 2 488.72 489.248 488.74 489.11 That's right . 489.11 IS1004d B MIE090 1 496.267 497.872 496.36 497.74 It seems to be falling over . 497.74 IS1004d D MIO047 3 497.1 498.528 497.12 498.49 I l yeah . 498.49 IS1004d A MIO019 0 498.032 498.506 498.05 498.45 Yeah . 498.45 IS1004d D MIO047 3 499.904 511.776 499.92 511.776 I like I like it . Maybe the the thing that convince me the less is the the multifunctional buttons . Looks a bit 500.92 510.49 IS1004d C MIO022 2 513.776 515.68 513.8 515.65 You want to have more functional buttons ? 515.65 IS1004d D MIO047 3 519.372 530.122 519.6 530.122 Looks a bit puzzled uh I dunno how to say that . You the the b the buttons change h h their function depending if y it's teletext or not 523.76 IS1004d C MIO022 2 523.833 525.297 523.93 525.11 You are not convinced . 525.11 IS1004d C MIO022 2 528.0 540.848 528.04 540.81 Not not many , we we want to keep it simple . So that this button fo is for teletext which is usually also the case , that usually there is a teletext button and once you press that , the channel buttons , they baco become the scrolling buttons . 528.91 530.55 534.93 537.58 539.02 540.81 IS1004d D MIO047 3 541.456 543.978 541.48 543.978 And the volume button will will become - IS1004d C MIO022 2 544.688 546.73 544.79 546.73 It's up to you , means . Now that 545.4 545.95 IS1004d A MIO019 0 546.128 550.344 546.15 550.22 Well in fact b both will be could be useful , navigating through teletext . 548.37 550.22 IS1004d C MIO022 2 548.528 554.336 548.55 554.3 Means let's say this this can move the the larger digits and this can move the smaller digits . 554.3 IS1004d B MIE090 1 554.832 558.073 554.88 557.9 Or can move between positions in the in the number . 557.9 IS1004d C MIO022 2 556.179 556.97 556.35 556.67 That's right . 556.67 IS1004d D MIO047 3 557.184 562.112 557.2 562.05 And what about people who want to use digits ? Butto real buttons ? 560.01 562.05 IS1004d A MIO019 0 557.085 557.744 557.26 557.51 Yeah . 557.51 IS1004d A MIO019 0 562.816 563.2 562.84 563.17 Wow . 563.17 IS1004d C MIO022 2 562.304 569.84 563.34 569.79 Yeah . So there was there was a constraint that the surface area which we have on this banana on one side because of the shape . 563.57 569.79 IS1004d C MIO022 2 570.88 577.888 570.9 577.83 So we are targeting a segment which is which is just very trendy kind of thing , they they don't care about the buttons any more . 575.97 577.83 IS1004d D MIO047 3 579.628 583.648 579.72 583.58 Okay . Because have you thought about configuration and all this kind of uh stuff ? 580.39 583.58 IS1004d C MIO022 2 579.952 580.8 579.97 580.8 And anyway - IS1004d B MIE090 1 583.824 584.976 584.12 584.9 It's all automatic . 584.9 IS1004d D MIO047 3 585.12 596.48 585.14 596.48 It's all automatic . Okay . Okay yeah it's fine . W we are living in a wonderful world . 588.62 589.52 590.53 595.93 IS1004d B MIE090 1 586.096 586.352 586.12 586.3 Yep . 586.3 IS1004d A MIO019 0 589.376 599.152 590.08 599.152 Very good uh yeah you th yeah . Bananas everywhere . Okay , so 594.59 596.91 597.4 IS1004d B MIE090 1 592.563 594.361 592.77 594.361 Uh . 594.08 IS1004d D MIO047 3 597.473 600.944 597.49 600.944 Automatically configure . 600.76 IS1004d A MIO019 0 602.416 605.088 602.44 605.05 So we have to go through now evaluations . 605.05 IS1004d C MIO022 2 604.16 605.328 604.18 605.29 Evalua yeah . 605.29 IS1004d D MIO047 3 605.408 605.632 605.44 605.6 Yeah . 605.6 IS1004d A MIO019 0 606.368 608.72 606.368 608.6 So your slides are ready ? 608.6 IS1004d D MIO047 3 607.056 608.578 607.62 607.94 S - IS1004d A MIO019 0 610.496 614.256 610.52 614.22 Uh you're four I think . So this is one , which one is this one ? 612.55 613.44 614.22 IS1004d D MIO047 3 611.002 611.637 611.02 611.44 Yeah . 611.44 IS1004d D MIO047 3 614.001 614.531 614.27 614.42 Yeah . 614.42 IS1004d D MIO047 3 620.944 640.528 620.96 640.49 Okay . I I const I constructed a a list of criteria based on the on the general user requirements . And each criteria is will be evaluated it's uh logical criteria so we must 621.49 632.04 IS1004d D MIO047 3 641.584 650.992 641.86 650.95 users must say i if it's true or is or if it's false in a in a scale ranging from zero to seven . 650.95 IS1004d C MIO022 2 652.0 654.418 652.03 654.24 Why this strange factor of seven ? 654.24 IS1004d D MIO047 3 655.264 657.104 655.29 656.88 Because i - IS1004d D MIO047 3 658.624 659.984 658.64 659.92 I'm sorry . Sorry . 659.63 659.92 IS1004d C MIO022 2 661.04 663.57 661.06 663.54 Usually I have seen that scales are from one to ten . 663.54 IS1004d D MIO047 3 661.389 667.824 661.55 667.79 Ah yeah . It's from sorry , it's from one to seven . It's from from one to seven sorry . Because it should be an even 661.81 662.81 664.24 666.13 IS1004d D MIO047 3 668.976 673.536 669.0 673.38 it should be an even uh scale , and five 672.38 IS1004d C MIO022 2 668.981 669.57 669.06 669.43 Okay . 669.43 IS1004d A MIO019 0 670.582 672.046 670.63 672.046 Num number - IS1004d C MIO022 2 670.576 672.032 670.65 671.98 Okay . Mm-hmm . 671.68 671.98 IS1004d D MIO047 3 675.584 677.088 675.6 677.05 is too short and nine is too long . 677.05 IS1004d C MIO022 2 677.344 677.792 677.42 677.75 Okay . 677.75 IS1004d D MIO047 3 678.688 681.555 678.688 681.555 I'm a I I'm - IS1004d C MIO022 2 679.392 680.846 679.41 680.81 Okay fine , got the idea . 680.14 680.81 IS1004d A MIO019 0 680.865 688.064 680.93 688.03 So to have in order to have enough granularity it's in order to have enough granularity in the evaluation . 688.03 IS1004d D MIO047 3 682.708 683.356 682.93 683.19 Sorry ? 683.19 IS1004d D MIO047 3 686.335 686.983 686.41 686.76 Yeah yeah . 686.76 IS1004d C MIO022 2 688.208 688.875 688.29 688.52 Okay . 688.52 IS1004d D MIO047 3 688.352 705.744 688.37 705.67 The variance is mi it's is minimal . I'm um answering your question . Okay . And that's the criteria I I found more useful . I think I sh I I could write the criteria in the on the whiteboard ? And we all four could range 691.71 693.43 695.09 698.94 703.07 IS1004d A MIO019 0 689.968 691.072 689.99 690.87 Okay . 690.87 IS1004d C MIO022 2 690.094 691.696 690.37 691.66 Okay , okay , great . 691.01 691.46 691.66 IS1004d C MIO022 2 692.96 694.816 692.99 694.53 Okay . Yeah yeah . Go ahead . 693.5 694.25 694.53 IS1004d C MIO022 2 702.64 703.71 702.67 703.22 Mm-hmm . Sure . 703.03 703.22 IS1004d C MIO022 2 706.384 708.672 706.48 708.64 Okay . Yeah yeah . Yeah . 707.31 708.48 708.64 IS1004d D MIO047 3 707.472 709.008 707.49 709.008 could evaluate the - IS1004d A MIO019 0 709.024 709.554 709.04 709.32 Okay . 709.32 IS1004d C MIO022 2 719.408 720.56 719.43 720.53 So you can say fancy , 720.53 IS1004d C MIO022 2 722.72 723.232 722.74 723.14 handy . 723.14 IS1004d C MIO022 2 730.848 731.248 730.87 731.21 Handy . 731.21 IS1004d D MIO047 3 731.328 734.451 731.35 734.451 Okay let's let's evaluate if it's fancy or - IS1004d C MIO022 2 734.886 736.864 735.31 736.81 Yeah , it's fancy , according to me . 735.51 736.2 736.81 IS1004d D MIO047 3 737.52 740.013 737.54 740.013 Seven but - IS1004d A MIO019 0 739.072 739.968 739.1 739.93 Yeah , six . 739.53 739.93 IS1004d C MIO022 2 741.488 742.528 741.52 742.49 Seven . Seven by me . 741.79 742.49 IS1004d A MIO019 0 741.527 743.104 741.59 743.07 S seven . Six . 742.7 743.07 IS1004d D MIO047 3 743.024 745.216 743.04 745.16 I would say seven . It's quite fancy . 744.34 745.16 IS1004d C MIO022 2 744.103 744.692 744.33 744.62 Okay . 744.62 IS1004d C MIO022 2 747.232 750.288 747.25 750.288 So you can add seven plus six plus seven plus - IS1004d A MIO019 0 750.32 753.387 750.34 753.26 No , wait . What do you say seven ? Five ? 750.52 751.54 752.72 753.26 IS1004d B MIE090 1 750.608 752.126 750.63 751.88 Yeah uh five . 751.88 IS1004d C MIO022 2 752.368 752.72 752.39 752.69 Five . 752.69 IS1004d B MIE090 1 752.814 757.181 752.98 757.12 Five , maybe maybe maybe six it's it's I guess it's yeah . 753.53 757.12 IS1004d A MIO019 0 756.022 757.274 756.11 757.04 Okay , six point five . 756.4 757.04 IS1004d A MIO019 0 760.816 761.152 760.84 761.12 Handy ? 761.12 IS1004d C MIO022 2 766.128 767.168 766.22 767.11 Again I'll give seven . 767.11 IS1004d A MIO019 0 769.28 769.922 769.39 769.75 Seven . 769.75 IS1004d B MIE090 1 769.184 784.704 769.72 784.64 I'd give it a six like I'd I think it's probably more handy than my current remote , 'cause of the scroll wheels but maybe loses the point for not having you know the extra buttons when you reall if you do need them for some reason but you know you can always use your other 774.69 IS1004d D MIO047 3 770.74 771.648 770.93 771.61 Six . 771.61 IS1004d C MIO022 2 774.272 774.586 774.34 774.49 Yep . 774.49 IS1004d B MIE090 1 785.728 786.096 785.75 786.05 remote . 786.05 IS1004d A MIO019 0 786.48 788.768 786.5 788.73 So seven , seven , six , 787.7 788.31 788.73 IS1004d C MIO022 2 787.445 788.269 787.57 788.16 Seven for me . 788.16 IS1004d B MIE090 1 788.752 789.056 788.77 789.02 Yeah . 789.02 IS1004d D MIO047 3 789.264 789.782 789.28 789.74 Six . 789.74 IS1004d A MIO019 0 789.936 790.62 789.96 790.59 six point five . 790.59 IS1004d A MIO019 0 795.266 795.973 795.42 795.92 Functional . 795.92 IS1004d C MIO022 2 801.36 802.432 801.44 802.17 I'll give five . 802.17 IS1004d A MIO019 0 803.065 803.637 803.12 803.59 Four . 803.59 IS1004d D MIO047 3 801.808 806.08 803.16 806.08 I would say - IS1004d B MIE090 1 805.975 813.424 806.24 813.39 Well it depends when you say functional , do you mean it does what we want it to do , or d does what it does , you know , can it make you coffee ? 807.65 809.65 811.54 812.52 813.39 IS1004d D MIO047 3 812.32 813.149 812.34 813.07 Everything ar - IS1004d A MIO019 0 813.872 819.248 813.872 819.248 Uh for a remote control , does he have all the 817.26 IS1004d B MIE090 1 814.64 814.976 814.66 814.89 You know . 814.89 IS1004d D MIO047 3 814.541 816.546 814.78 816.546 Mm everything - IS1004d B MIE090 1 818.287 818.951 818.287 818.92 Yeah . 818.92 IS1004d B MIE090 1 819.824 821.35 819.84 821.35 Yeah . 821.14 IS1004d A MIO019 0 820.665 821.809 820.69 821.45 you could expect . 821.45 IS1004d D MIO047 3 820.553 822.368 820.69 822.32 It's compared to the all - IS1004d C MIO022 2 823.504 825.104 823.54 825.06 That's right . That's right . 824.65 825.06 IS1004d D MIO047 3 824.016 824.944 824.11 824.85 remote controls . 824.85 IS1004d B MIE090 1 824.688 825.44 824.71 825.44 That's before - IS1004d C MIO022 2 827.168 830.356 827.19 830.1 The standards . What is available in the market off the shelf . 828.42 830.1 IS1004d B MIE090 1 829.872 831.104 829.89 831.06 Yeah . I have to say four . 830.24 831.06 IS1004d D MIO047 3 831.2 838.026 831.23 837.87 Actually I don't know what are the r the real specification of a of a universal remote contro - IS1004d B MIE090 1 836.752 841.568 836.77 841.42 Well it's not a universal remote . Remember we're focus we're supposed to focus just on T_V_s . 838.44 841.42 IS1004d C MIO022 2 838.088 839.199 838.088 839.199 We - IS1004d D MIO047 3 838.608 841.568 838.63 841.53 Ah it's not an univer but it's for all kind of T_V_s ? 841.53 IS1004d A MIO019 0 842.208 842.4 842.23 842.37 Yeah . 842.37 IS1004d B MIE090 1 843.12 846.437 843.14 846.22 Well all T_V_s but only T_ only T_V_s I guess . 846.22 IS1004d A MIO019 0 845.966 848.045 846.04 847.92 So it's universal but for T_V_s . 847.92 IS1004d A MIO019 0 851.15 852.944 851.15 852.91 So s uh four ? 852.91 IS1004d D MIO047 3 851.113 851.618 851.24 851.44 Yeah . 851.44 IS1004d C MIO022 2 853.296 853.616 853.32 853.58 Five . 853.58 IS1004d A MIO019 0 854.0 855.488 854.02 855.45 Five ? Four . 855.14 855.45 IS1004d B MIE090 1 854.48 854.832 854.51 854.79 Four . 854.79 IS1004d D MIO047 3 855.12 856.56 855.14 856.53 Four . Four . 856.25 856.53 IS1004d C MIO022 2 857.424 861.888 857.44 861.888 So four point two ? four . 860.11 861.75 IS1004d B MIE090 1 858.656 863.856 858.68 863.856 Just four . Obviously there are some outliers so 861.38 IS1004d A MIO019 0 859.237 859.742 859.28 859.63 Four . 859.63 IS1004d D MIO047 3 860.72 861.711 861.21 861.61 So four ? 861.61 IS1004d A MIO019 0 863.072 866.976 863.072 866.94 Okay cool ? Cool device . 866.02 866.94 IS1004d C MIO022 2 867.584 869.536 868.13 869.49 There I'll give it seven . 869.49 IS1004d D MIO047 3 872.081 874.544 872.28 874.51 It means cool features , like 873.72 IS1004d D MIO047 3 875.664 877.092 875.68 876.75 new features actually . 876.75 IS1004d C MIO022 2 876.48 877.024 876.5 876.9 That's right . 876.9 IS1004d B MIE090 1 878.752 879.664 878.77 879.664 Which - IS1004d C MIO022 2 878.935 889.568 878.96 889.53 For a T_V_ the most important feature which I felt was the locator which is a cool feature . And then the scroll buttons are again cool features . We don't have L_C_D_ for it but 885.18 888.07 IS1004d C MIO022 2 891.104 893.371 891.16 893.29 that we decided we don't want to have . 893.29 IS1004d A MIO019 0 892.976 894.464 893.06 894.42 Yeah . Seven . 894.16 894.42 IS1004d D MIO047 3 894.736 895.904 894.87 895.85 I would say five . 895.85 IS1004d B MIE090 1 895.584 896.416 895.62 896.38 I'll say five . 896.38 IS1004d C MIO022 2 896.592 898.096 896.63 898.01 Mm-hmm . Seven . 897.76 898.01 IS1004d A MIO019 0 896.832 897.2 896.85 897.17 Six . 897.17 IS1004d A MIO019 0 898.384 902.761 898.4 902.68 Plus six , I say I said seven . So it's six . Yeah . 899.66 901.55 902.44 902.68 IS1004d B MIE090 1 899.152 899.36 899.17 899.33 Yeah . 899.33 IS1004d B MIE090 1 901.752 902.768 901.77 902.73 S yeah . 902.73 IS1004d D MIO047 3 901.401 904.27 901.79 904.27 You said seven ? 904.2 IS1004d B MIE090 1 903.888 905.552 903.93 905.552 'Cause it's five five seven seven so - IS1004d C MIO022 2 905.744 906.128 905.77 906.09 Okay . 906.09 IS1004d B MIE090 1 906.8 909.456 906.82 909.42 Uh , okay , definitely easy to use . 908.01 908.46 909.42 IS1004d C MIO022 2 908.843 910.448 908.99 909.91 Definitely seven . 909.91 IS1004d B MIE090 1 910.496 910.896 910.52 910.84 Seven . 910.84 IS1004d A MIO019 0 912.448 912.832 912.47 912.79 Seven . 912.79 IS1004d A MIO019 0 914.329 915.808 914.53 915.73 Seven . And you ? 915.45 915.73 IS1004d D MIO047 3 916.972 920.402 917.08 920.402 Five . 920.25 IS1004d A MIO019 0 916.96 920.478 917.16 920.478 Outl you are not lik outlier . Seven 918.89 IS1004d A MIO019 0 921.766 925.085 921.766 925.05 Okay okay okay okay . 925.05 IS1004d C MIO022 2 922.232 924.073 922.232 923.99 Okay . 923.99 IS1004d D MIO047 3 923.488 924.688 923.51 924.688 Sorry , I have them 924.03 IS1004d B MIE090 1 924.928 931.36 924.96 931.23 Alright , now here's the sixty million Dollar question , well , twenty five twenty five Euro question . 925.31 928.79 928.97 931.23 IS1004d A MIO019 0 931.805 935.129 931.85 935.129 Of course I'll buy the banana . 934.92 IS1004d B MIE090 1 936.944 938.08 936.96 938.05 What do you what do you guys reckon ? 938.05 IS1004d D MIO047 3 937.276 942.074 937.276 942.074 Of cour Of course the most difficult question for the end . 942.02 IS1004d C MIO022 2 938.512 939.56 938.53 939.27 I'll say five . 939.27 IS1004d A MIO019 0 938.72 939.864 938.75 939.864 Well - IS1004d C MIO022 2 941.335 942.219 941.37 942.14 I'll say five . 942.14 IS1004d B MIE090 1 941.11 941.657 941.41 941.56 Hmm . 941.56 IS1004d A MIO019 0 945.424 946.739 945.44 946.67 Twenty five Euros . 946.67 IS1004d A MIO019 0 948.644 953.237 948.644 953.06 Cheap . 953.06 IS1004d D MIO047 3 949.536 955.376 949.56 955.376 I find it quite cheap actually . I dunno . If i i it depends , if you live in in Switzerland or you live in 951.17 951.58 952.83 IS1004d A MIO019 0 955.296 963.854 955.32 963.854 Yeah , so the target price is for all Europe , or only for rich countries ? It's more targeting U_K_ or 955.64 957.81 961.51 IS1004d D MIO047 3 963.143 967.873 963.33 967.873 I don't know . Wha the initial specifications were for the whole all Europe or 963.78 IS1004d B MIE090 1 968.635 969.872 968.635 969.872 Uh - IS1004d A MIO019 0 969.12 971.8 969.14 971.72 So this is selling costs , not production costs . 970.57 971.72 IS1004d D MIO047 3 971.936 974.848 971.96 974.79 Yeah this is the the initial specifications . 974.79 IS1004d B MIE090 1 971.833 973.883 972.1 973.67 Yeah . Yeah . 973.25 973.67 IS1004d A MIO019 0 974.145 976.519 974.39 976.519 Yeah yeah sure . Um 975.61 IS1004d A MIO019 0 979.72 980.267 979.74 980.03 Five . 980.03 IS1004d D MIO047 3 979.76 982.016 979.78 981.98 I would say six . It's quite cheap actually . 980.94 981.98 IS1004d B MIE090 1 981.76 989.776 981.78 989.72 I'd say two . I don't want a banana on my living room table , a banana remote . 984.96 988.6 989.72 IS1004d A MIO019 0 984.349 991.12 984.349 991.12 Aw , should be nice in your 989.72 IS1004d C MIO022 2 984.336 984.875 984.36 984.68 Why ? 984.68 IS1004d C MIO022 2 986.181 994.33 986.181 994.33 No but it's really handy actually if you see . It's it's so handy . And then 992.43 993.8 IS1004d B MIE090 1 992.352 998.24 992.37 998.13 It is handy , it's handy , but it it's terrible . Yeah . 993.69 994.32 997.18 998.13 IS1004d A MIO019 0 995.765 997.765 995.765 997.62 It's kitsch . 997.62 IS1004d C MIO022 2 995.792 1001.472 995.81 1001.44 Anyb anybody who comes here anybody who comes to your home he'll at least ask once what is this . 1001.44 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1002.0 1003.936 1002.02 1003.69 Yeah , but it's not a positive thing . 1002.43 1003.69 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1003.904 1006.654 1003.92 1006.37 It's a very positive thing if you see like that . 1006.37 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1004.879 1009.328 1004.9 1009.29 Well , you know , it's it's handy , it's ergonomic , but it's a banana . 1005.26 1006.19 1007.49 1008.34 1009.29 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1007.472 1015.849 1007.49 1015.71 Well , don't forget well , don't for don't forget who we're targeting also who are f f who are wh yeah , youngst youngst 1007.83 1008.88 1014.21 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1012.747 1014.145 1013.08 1013.83 Youngsters . 1013.83 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1013.12 1014.673 1013.51 1014.673 Actually maybe - IS1004d B MIE090 1 1013.904 1016.496 1013.92 1016.44 Yeah but it says I , I would buy this , so . 1014.99 1016.12 1016.44 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1016.528 1020.192 1016.55 1020.15 No well yeah I if you would be young . 1020.15 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1018.125 1019.236 1018.23 1019.236 Yeah - IS1004d A MIO019 0 1021.584 1025.008 1021.6 1024.86 Not telling that you are young . Li li like a teenager for instance . 1022.91 1024.86 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1022.464 1027.863 1022.464 1027.863 No , it's I . I would buy 1025.76 1026.99 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1026.88 1032.608 1026.98 1032.51 Okay you're you're crazy teenager and you like fun things . Yeah . 1032.18 1032.51 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1031.056 1034.097 1031.08 1033.82 You want to flaunt . You with your girlfriend or something . 1032.2 1033.82 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1033.632 1036.722 1033.65 1036.722 Yeah , you want to show the beautiful banana you have . 1033.94 1036.37 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1034.715 1036.667 1035.01 1036.5 S s - IS1004d C MIO022 2 1035.824 1038.08 1035.84 1038.08 Or might be it does some other kind of thing but - IS1004d B MIE090 1 1038.112 1043.232 1038.16 1043.19 Still I I'd say two . I don't think I at any stage in my life I would want a banana remote control , really . 1039.44 1042.9 1043.19 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1043.36 1045.264 1043.4 1044.97 Uh yeah , crazy . 1044.26 1044.97 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1044.304 1051.024 1044.32 1050.99 Okay so you s you give oh yeah yeah I know I know . So you say two . F I d I say five . 1047.8 1049.53 1050.99 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1044.592 1048.928 1044.63 1048.89 I can say , maybe there is a market for it , I dunno . Yeah . 1045.22 1046.44 1048.73 1048.89 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1048.69 1049.504 1048.84 1049.47 I say five . 1049.47 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1052.4 1052.8 1052.42 1052.76 You say ? 1052.76 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1053.691 1055.828 1053.82 1055.828 I change the question . 1055.59 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1055.328 1059.168 1055.328 1059.13 So what's the new question ? 1059.13 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1058.251 1059.253 1058.37 1059.17 And you have saved it ? 1059.17 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1060.656 1062.516 1060.68 1062.516 So yeah upload the - IS1004d C MIO022 2 1062.304 1063.407 1062.32 1063.22 You'll have to reload . 1063.22 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1063.504 1064.48 1063.54 1064.45 Uh yeah , I think so . 1064.04 1064.45 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1072.064 1075.696 1072.51 1075.696 Okay , so , it depends if uh 1072.86 1073.82 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1075.76 1081.632 1075.78 1081.6 Yeah it's two different situations . If you really need an universal remote control or if you 1077.64 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1083.008 1085.584 1083.09 1085.55 would change your remote control for a n for a new one . 1085.55 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1085.664 1087.04 1085.68 1087.0 Yeah that's two different question . 1087.0 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1086.23 1089.072 1086.39 1089.03 If I had t if I had to spend twenty five Euro , 1089.03 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1090.448 1096.528 1090.49 1096.49 if that was like my limit , maybe I would buy it . Because the other twenty five Euro remote controls are probably gonna look 1091.88 1093.32 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1097.312 1098.533 1097.35 1098.533 They're not going to be as - IS1004d A MIO019 0 1097.324 1098.325 1097.58 1098.07 Ugly . 1098.07 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1097.6 1100.645 1097.62 1100.645 worse than a banana . 1100.5 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1099.632 1102.851 1099.65 1102.7 And they they might not be a as easy as this yeah . 1102.7 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1101.562 1104.648 1101.78 1104.53 And it yeah this is gonna f you know handy to use . 1104.53 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1104.624 1105.106 1104.65 1104.87 Yeah . 1104.87 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1106.544 1108.336 1106.56 1108.27 So ? What now ? What range ? 1106.91 1107.7 1108.27 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1106.936 1107.895 1107.08 1107.82 S - IS1004d A MIO019 0 1107.344 1108.384 1107.36 1108.22 I stick to five . 1108.22 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1108.768 1110.608 1108.79 1110.57 I go slightly up . Six . 1109.93 1110.57 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1109.147 1116.096 1109.24 1116.06 Although it still has it still has the word of course at the beginning so I dunno . Um . 1115.42 1116.06 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1110.659 1111.652 1110.87 1111.42 Six . 1111.42 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1116.976 1118.52 1117.0 1118.52 W we have six , five 1117.94 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1117.422 1119.904 1117.422 1119.32 I'd give it I'd give it a - IS1004d A MIO019 0 1121.008 1124.096 1121.07 1124.06 Three So we are - IS1004d B MIE090 1 1121.156 1122.304 1121.28 1122.27 I give it a four now . 1122.27 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1121.791 1125.334 1121.791 1125.29 Six ? Six ? 1124.74 1125.29 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1124.543 1126.394 1124.91 1126.19 Six , five , four . 1125.37 1125.92 1126.19 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1125.226 1126.528 1125.31 1126.528 six , five , four 1125.72 1126.02 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1126.816 1131.2 1126.84 1131.14 Six , so it's uh five point five , or less . 1128.13 1130.68 1131.14 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1131.072 1131.552 1131.18 1131.52 Yeah . 1131.52 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1133.126 1134.054 1133.3 1134.054 So - IS1004d C MIO022 2 1142.336 1142.688 1142.36 1142.65 Okay . 1142.65 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1143.063 1148.48 1143.28 1148.4 So and last question , will I change my rem change my remote control from Mando banana . 1144.18 1148.4 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1149.856 1155.248 1149.92 1155.2 Um , zero . No uh we can't . So one . 1151.33 1151.99 1154.63 1155.2 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1157.565 1159.952 1157.66 1159.952 Actually yeah , I we 1158.63 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1159.12 1161.392 1159.14 1161.03 Well if . 1161.03 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1162.528 1164.272 1162.528 1163.61 Yeah . 1163.61 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1163.136 1164.672 1163.16 1164.58 No uh let's say I'll put two . 1164.58 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1165.344 1182.4 1165.63 1182.37 I'd say three , I mean my remote control is kinda at home is pretty terrible . If it was change my remote control of my D_V_D_ player for a Mando banana then I would be more inclined to but uh 'cause it's really bad but uh I'd say a three . 1166.93 1171.64 1182.37 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1177.568 1178.384 1177.61 1178.33 It's for the T_V_ . 1178.33 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1183.232 1184.754 1183.35 1184.68 I'll still give it five . 1184.68 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1185.136 1185.808 1185.27 1185.74 Five ? 1185.74 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1185.728 1185.984 1185.76 1185.95 Yeah . 1185.95 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1187.12 1190.528 1187.12 1190.45 You are romantic , really . I would say two . 1188.61 1189.67 1190.45 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1186.368 1192.73 1187.28 1192.58 Two three five two three fi and two . So it's r 1192.15 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1188.577 1194.291 1188.577 1194.22 So it's somewhere three point five I think . 1194.22 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1193.552 1197.073 1193.58 1197.073 Yeah , three point five . 1193.89 1196.61 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1198.288 1202.256 1198.43 1202.22 Who is the outlier ? Wh wh you said five ? 1199.36 1202.22 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1200.445 1205.807 1200.445 1205.75 No no you say five , he is the outlier . 1204.5 1205.75 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1202.624 1203.859 1202.65 1203.79 No I said five . 1203.79 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1207.456 1209.712 1207.48 1209.52 Okay just just do a sum . 1209.52 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1210.789 1213.088 1210.82 1213.088 I don't know if it's a - IS1004d B MIE090 1 1214.32 1215.84 1214.34 1215.8 It's not very promising but you know - IS1004d B MIE090 1 1216.42 1218.539 1216.59 1218.539 we're not young trendsetters . 1218.42 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1216.496 1221.536 1216.62 1221.44 No because there are more yeah , we shouldn't sum like that . 1220.05 1221.44 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1222.56 1226.936 1222.69 1226.72 Well maybe we should we should uh have a look globally glob - IS1004d D MIO047 3 1225.04 1231.84 1225.24 1231.8 Because the the last two questions is much more important than the rest actually . Otherwise we wouldn't we will not sell . 1229.89 1231.8 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1229.632 1230.13 1229.67 1229.97 Mm-hmm . 1229.97 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1231.024 1235.932 1231.05 1235.85 Is there some some formula you're using that says you have to sum them up ? 1235.85 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1235.328 1239.294 1235.35 1239.294 Uh no I didn't anything . 1239.22 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1237.584 1239.568 1237.6 1239.53 Well just leave it at that then . 1239.53 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1240.457 1240.87 1240.53 1240.82 Yeah . 1240.82 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1241.056 1241.664 1241.15 1241.63 Oops . 1241.63 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1241.68 1242.725 1241.7 1242.725 Yeah , the uh 1242.11 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1242.145 1253.309 1242.17 1253.22 So maybe maybe w we can we should stick to general feeling . We can had uh have a out of these numbers , which which is that well we should go for it . 1246.41 1249.36 1253.22 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1246.091 1246.702 1246.22 1246.66 Yeah . 1246.66 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1257.327 1261.33 1257.327 1261.33 Problem with connectors ? 1260.6 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1257.528 1259.68 1257.55 1259.68 Do you want me to sum o I think it's not - IS1004d C MIO022 2 1258.559 1262.393 1258.559 1262.393 Yeah it's it's funny . 1262.14 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1258.766 1263.824 1258.97 1263.61 No . I think it it kind of you just lose information if you sum it , so . 1259.88 1263.31 1263.61 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1262.736 1289.867 1263.2 1289.77 Okay . So let's move uh let's move on . Okay , now now we have to mm to estimate uh the cost okay . So I prepare an Excel sh uh an Excel sheet . Um well we are going to calculate the production costs . We should we should be below twelve point five . 1265.1 1268.71 1269.07 1276.48 1281.23 1286.05 1289.77 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1266.754 1267.949 1267.24 1267.7 Yeah , sure . 1267.44 1267.7 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1291.184 1316.032 1291.99 1316.0 So I already uh put some pu some numbers here , okay . We are going to go through so this is the number the mm number of components we need for this thing . So it appears that there were things that we didn't thought about . Uh and also things that I uh I d I forget to uh to put like solar cells . 1297.67 1298.5 1305.87 1310.77 1316.0 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1316.448 1316.816 1316.48 1316.78 Mm-hmm . 1316.78 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1316.784 1318.784 1316.8 1318.784 Well we decided against the solar cells so - IS1004d A MIO019 0 1318.72 1327.248 1318.87 1327.21 Oh yeah finally we say no . Okay so let's let's go let's go let go through all the lines . So hand dynamo . This something we didn't thought about . 1320.66 1324.62 1325.89 1327.21 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1318.848 1321.66 1318.87 1321.56 Solar cells , yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah , we said no to that . 1319.48 1320.66 1321.56 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1328.314 1328.945 1328.47 1328.945 But - IS1004d B MIE090 1 1328.282 1330.736 1328.68 1330.7 You mean , charging it by shaking the banana . 1329.04 1330.7 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1330.656 1331.352 1330.68 1331.24 Yeah . 1331.24 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1332.704 1337.798 1332.9 1337.798 I think rechargeable batteries will take care of the power thing . Yeah . To bring the cost 1336.44 1336.85 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1335.984 1339.872 1336.0 1339.82 Yeah . Okay so we we stick to battery , one . 1337.1 1339.53 1339.82 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1340.304 1340.674 1340.36 1340.57 Yeah . 1340.57 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1341.104 1344.971 1341.12 1344.8 No kinetic also . I don't I don't see the difference between kinetic and dynamo . 1342.12 1344.8 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1348.608 1351.984 1349.16 1351.984 Well maybe dynamo is like you have to actually - IS1004d A MIO019 0 1352.32 1363.744 1352.34 1363.38 Ah you have to ah okay I see so kinetic is really uh shaking the banana . Crazy . Okay . So those banana is falling . 1358.51 1359.45 1360.78 1363.38 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1355.005 1355.972 1355.19 1355.8 S - IS1004d B MIE090 1 1357.168 1357.482 1357.19 1357.36 Yeah . 1357.36 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1357.412 1357.773 1357.49 1357.71 Yeah . 1357.71 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1361.13 1367.73 1361.13 1367.7 Okay . 1367.7 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1366.688 1376.016 1366.71 1375.59 Let's go ahead . So we we st only have one for battery . Uh then for electronics um so I didn't put anything for the . 1367.21 1370.96 1375.59 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1375.21 1378.784 1375.43 1378.75 So we have the regular chip on the print , which is one . 1378.03 1378.75 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1377.392 1378.032 1377.41 1378.0 Yeah . 1378.0 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1379.12 1379.632 1379.14 1379.55 Yeah . 1379.55 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1379.84 1380.727 1379.9 1380.61 And that's it . 1380.61 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1380.832 1383.152 1380.85 1383.12 Okay . No so we hin 1382.04 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1383.232 1388.945 1383.31 1388.86 And we have sample speaker . Yeah . Yeah . the cost of that is very high . 1385.96 1386.87 1387.54 1388.86 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1384.864 1392.022 1385.42 1392.022 Yeah so one . Ooh ye ye ye the cost is increasing . So we are 1388.64 1391.26 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1390.944 1403.008 1391.15 1403.008 Well actually that that no that sample speaker is not we we're not using that , we're just using the the very beep simple beep , that s that sample thing is like the voice recording and everything . So 1395.55 1398.31 1402.37 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1396.624 1397.289 1396.66 1397.11 The beep . 1397.11 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1398.384 1398.754 1398.4 1398.7 Uh-huh . 1398.7 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1399.494 1399.984 1399.57 1399.984 That's what - IS1004d C MIO022 2 1400.864 1401.584 1400.89 1401.55 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 1401.24 1401.55 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1401.76 1403.168 1401.78 1403.08 Okay so I'll remove it . 1403.08 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1403.536 1404.72 1403.56 1404.72 Yeah . I say that 1403.81 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1403.881 1404.487 1404.06 1404.24 S - IS1004d B MIE090 1 1405.76 1406.83 1406.48 1406.74 Yeah . 1406.74 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1408.192 1409.072 1408.21 1409.0 And we have sev - IS1004d A MIO019 0 1408.45 1410.736 1408.62 1410.736 So don't we need a - IS1004d A MIO019 0 1414.24 1418.688 1414.26 1418.688 Oh there is no listing for r radio frequency thing . So 1418.29 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1417.52 1422.265 1417.54 1422.15 Yeah . So we we'll put some extras , if there is something . 1418.31 1420.57 1422.15 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1420.807 1425.6 1421.39 1425.56 Yeah maybe . We'll see later . Okay so in for the case um 1422.38 1423.34 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1422.322 1422.996 1422.64 1422.87 Mm . 1422.87 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1426.281 1428.065 1426.281 1428.01 I put single curved . 1428.01 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1427.696 1430.128 1427.77 1430.08 Okay . To reduce the cost , it's okay . 1428.49 1429.7 1430.08 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1429.504 1435.712 1429.504 1435.712 Well , wait a second , no , it's it's double curved , it's got a c , it's uh 1431.14 1432.72 1432.98 1434.26 1435.08 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1431.968 1433.66 1432.47 1433.47 Because we have two things . 1433.47 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1435.008 1441.056 1435.03 1441.056 Oh it's got all the directions so don't worry . 1441.01 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1435.35 1437.952 1435.67 1437.84 No . 1437.84 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1438.448 1442.192 1438.47 1442.06 Well d yeah it's monotonic but - IS1004d C MIO022 2 1442.141 1444.016 1442.32 1444.016 It's got a direction . 1443.76 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1443.872 1445.664 1444.33 1445.63 it's got but if you hold it - IS1004d B MIE090 1 1446.752 1449.376 1446.77 1449.34 if you hold it that way that's two curved , 1449.34 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1450.992 1453.904 1451.01 1453.87 one on this side , one on that side , but they're opposite sides . 1451.61 1452.17 1453.87 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1453.083 1453.929 1453.16 1453.87 Well . 1453.87 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1458.368 1459.805 1458.39 1459.34 Actually what's the differen - IS1004d A MIO019 0 1458.496 1460.672 1458.52 1460.64 What a what i if I put one here . 1460.64 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1458.514 1460.128 1458.86 1460.09 This is actually I mean this probably - IS1004d B MIE090 1 1461.552 1464.448 1461.57 1464.448 this probably actually costs more than three if you - IS1004d A MIO019 0 1462.801 1471.184 1463.67 1471.15 Yeah so let's put one here in the then instead of single oka all right . So we stick to plastic , it cost nothing . 1469.07 1470.4 1471.15 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1466.768 1467.687 1466.79 1467.63 Okay . Okay . 1467.34 1467.63 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1468.384 1468.608 1468.4 1468.57 Yeah . 1468.57 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1470.512 1471.712 1470.53 1471.65 Yeah . That's right . 1471.28 1471.65 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1471.712 1474.32 1471.91 1474.32 Well no didn't we say we wanted to do a rubber - IS1004d A MIO019 0 1474.065 1476.192 1474.32 1476.12 No , it's too no . 1474.75 1476.12 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1476.956 1479.336 1476.956 1478.84 Too expensive . 1478.84 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1476.97 1477.84 1476.97 1477.8 if you drop it ? 1477.8 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1477.824 1479.168 1478.06 1479.13 It's too expensive . 1479.13 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1479.568 1484.096 1480.22 1484.01 Well when okay . Well we we'll come back we'll come back and see if we can fit it in . 1481.11 1484.01 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1480.496 1481.648 1480.52 1481.6 We're already at eleven . 1481.6 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1484.24 1485.536 1484.26 1485.5 Okay so I put rubber one . 1485.5 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1487.68 1494.736 1487.7 1494.736 Okay so special colour , yellow . Uh for the interface we have 1490.09 1491.96 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1490.72 1491.227 1490.74 1491.05 Yeah . 1491.05 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1494.894 1496.652 1495.03 1496.49 We don't have any push buttons . 1496.49 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1496.24 1497.456 1496.27 1497.42 No , we have two push buttons . 1496.48 1497.42 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1497.536 1498.336 1497.57 1498.3 We have three . 1498.3 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1498.272 1501.12 1498.29 1500.98 No that is a scroll wheel itself , it'll be put in that . 1499.88 1500.98 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1499.568 1500.166 1499.66 1499.92 Huh . 1499.92 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1501.472 1505.506 1501.49 1505.47 No no . We have two scroll , and we have three push buttons . 1502.25 1503.81 1505.47 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1502.944 1504.07 1502.96 1503.94 Ah okay , okay . 1503.64 1503.94 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1503.346 1504.314 1503.93 1503.96 Uh . 1503.96 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1505.296 1506.08 1505.32 1506.03 Okay , okay . 1505.75 1506.03 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1509.52 1515.584 1509.55 1515.54 Actually whe whe when you wrote regular chip you should put two , because there is another chip here . 1514.14 1515.54 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1509.296 1511.104 1509.58 1511.03 Okay it's gonna have to be plastic . 1511.03 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1509.528 1510.471 1509.84 1510.471 And - IS1004d A MIO019 0 1515.52 1520.663 1516.0 1520.55 No it's no chip . This is just radio frequency . Th This is no chip . 1517.36 1519.2 1520.55 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1519.168 1519.605 1519.19 1519.39 Yeah . 1519.39 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1519.808 1520.484 1519.87 1520.4 Yeah but - IS1004d C MIO022 2 1520.656 1528.544 1520.72 1528.51 No . There's no chip there . It just emits the signal . And the receiver accepts it and that's it . 1521.54 1523.09 1525.33 1528.51 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1521.398 1522.113 1521.49 1522.113 you need - IS1004d A MIO019 0 1525.04 1526.288 1525.06 1526.288 It's just - IS1004d A MIO019 0 1527.648 1528.128 1527.76 1528.04 Yeah . 1528.04 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1528.16 1529.83 1528.18 1529.72 Fo i it does nothing actually ? 1529.72 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1529.856 1532.624 1529.89 1532.35 No . Just only . 1530.71 1532.35 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1530.624 1532.266 1530.67 1532.19 Just se sends the signal , that's it . 1531.75 1532.19 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1532.576 1534.176 1532.65 1534.176 It's a recharger thing and uh - IS1004d A MIO019 0 1535.248 1539.992 1535.27 1539.76 Okay w we didn't think a thought about uh integrated scroll wheel push buttons . 1539.76 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1541.088 1542.912 1541.21 1542.88 Well I actually did um - IS1004d B MIE090 1 1543.92 1555.776 1543.94 1555.74 think about it myself but I thought you know because you could potentially you know you could be pushing it down as you scroll it for a instead of a turbo button but you know the turbo button does add that extra class . 1555.74 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1552.585 1554.234 1552.73 1554.234 Yeah , so 1553.62 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1555.872 1556.896 1555.89 1556.45 Yeah . 1556.45 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1557.136 1562.727 1557.16 1562.67 You know . So I mean if we're if we're over budget then maybe we could we could rethink that . 1558.22 1562.67 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1563.632 1565.44 1563.78 1565.23 Okay . So no L_C_D_ , 1564.29 1565.23 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1566.64 1569.856 1566.66 1569.74 so for we have no button supplements , right ? 1569.51 1569.74 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1569.36 1570.437 1569.38 1570.2 Yep . No . 1570.04 1570.2 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1570.944 1573.12 1571.0 1573.12 Uh - IS1004d A MIO019 0 1574.144 1585.619 1574.17 1585.619 well in fact could we could not we consider this button as a button supplement because oh no , these are these are for colours , co and special forms , special colours and special materials . So 1579.05 1580.72 1581.97 1585.16 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1581.851 1582.16 1582.0 1582.13 Yeah . 1582.13 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1583.916 1587.745 1584.08 1587.5 No we're not we don't need anything special for the buttons . 1587.5 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1586.608 1588.24 1586.63 1588.07 Okay so we are over budget . 1588.07 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1588.368 1591.504 1588.42 1591.47 Yeah . So first thing which we should take care of is , 1588.72 1591.47 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1592.48 1598.288 1592.51 1598.25 Make it plastic instead of rubber . And then we're basically o on budget except for you know ten cents . 1594.74 1598.25 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1592.72 1595.282 1592.75 1594.89 instead of rubber , let it be plastic . 1593.98 1594.89 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1593.878 1594.695 1593.99 1594.44 Yeah . 1594.44 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1599.12 1603.024 1599.15 1602.99 And uh that much money will be required for the base station , which is not there . 1602.33 1602.99 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1603.488 1603.744 1603.51 1603.7 Yeah . 1603.7 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1604.96 1606.096 1604.96 1606.0 Yeah . 1606.0 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1607.888 1610.672 1608.19 1610.47 So mayb in fact n we have to put two here - IS1004d A MIO019 0 1613.215 1614.448 1613.41 1614.37 because it cost nothing . 1614.37 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1616.14 1622.075 1616.14 1621.94 Yeah well pl the base station is made out of m many units of plastic . 1621.94 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1616.192 1617.755 1616.192 1617.67 Yeah . 1617.67 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1619.52 1626.771 1619.54 1626.771 That's right . So might be ninety centimes for the the remaining things which the cord and everything which'll go 1620.81 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1625.984 1628.688 1626.02 1628.65 Exactly exactly so we have margin for that stuff . 1628.65 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1628.704 1629.397 1628.73 1629.18 That's right . 1629.18 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1628.384 1633.12 1629.04 1633.12 Does that include charging circuitry and everything ? 1633.05 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1631.392 1632.48 1631.93 1632.44 Yeah maybe . 1632.44 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1634.048 1634.56 1634.07 1634.49 Okay good . 1634.49 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1635.264 1635.472 1635.28 1635.42 Yeah . 1635.42 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1635.665 1636.035 1635.7 1635.91 Wha - IS1004d A MIO019 0 1637.68 1638.208 1637.7 1638.04 Excellent . 1638.04 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1640.224 1642.266 1640.64 1642.12 So what do we do with the extra profits ? 1642.12 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1642.32 1646.752 1642.32 1646.28 Um we'll invest in R_ and D_ . 1646.28 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1646.0 1648.064 1646.06 1648.0 Okay . The next fruit . 1647.24 1648.0 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1648.384 1659.52 1648.44 1658.75 Yeah . So well we're under the the the cost . So we can go to through to project evaluation . 1649.52 1653.6 1658.75 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1662.416 1667.744 1662.48 1667.69 Okay so now we have a product which nobody would would buy . Would yeah , would buy . 1666.28 1667.28 1667.69 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1668.837 1669.367 1668.86 1669.25 Sorry ? 1669.25 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1668.464 1673.097 1669.27 1673.097 No we have a product which none of us would buy . 1672.86 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1669.419 1672.976 1669.58 1672.976 Yeah because th th the evaluation project - IS1004d A MIO019 0 1671.359 1675.424 1671.359 1675.14 Which is different . Which is different . None of us will buy it . 1673.43 1674.27 1675.14 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1675.072 1682.256 1675.11 1682.22 No it's people in in in Milan and uh in Paris that are gonna buy it . We're n yeah . We're not in Milan or Paris . 1679.83 1680.95 1682.22 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1678.576 1680.64 1678.65 1680.61 Ah would buy , yeah . Massively , yeah . 1679.17 1679.76 1680.32 1680.61 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1682.029 1682.944 1682.33 1682.91 Yeah . Okay . 1682.66 1682.91 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1684.416 1693.232 1684.46 1693.19 Uh you have been in Milan a couple of times , so . And you said the lowest . 1686.05 1690.71 1693.19 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1687.808 1688.947 1687.84 1688.947 Actually there were a lot of - IS1004d A MIO019 0 1687.963 1690.765 1688.0 1690.765 This is a battery . 1690.66 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1693.744 1695.52 1693.76 1695.52 This is what we which you can mm - IS1004d C MIO022 2 1693.769 1694.509 1693.99 1694.26 S - IS1004d C MIO022 2 1695.744 1696.869 1695.79 1696.72 Detachable battery . 1696.72 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1696.384 1698.56 1696.4 1698.43 That's 'cause I'm sick of Milan . 1698.43 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1696.742 1697.82 1696.84 1697.74 It did yeah . 1697.74 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1697.279 1698.64 1697.34 1698.64 Yeah , for the batteries 1697.88 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1698.768 1699.817 1698.79 1699.69 Extra battery , yeah . 1699.44 1699.69 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1700.176 1704.768 1700.176 1704.73 Okay so um project process . 1704.73 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1701.147 1701.845 1701.2 1701.77 Exac - IS1004d A MIO019 0 1708.828 1719.584 1709.2 1719.55 Well in fact I I did not know I didn't know really what to say here . If uh if you have any ideas of what we can we can say . So 1715.3 1719.25 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1720.768 1722.448 1720.79 1722.41 I don't I don't I don't understand what - IS1004d A MIO019 0 1723.536 1727.76 1723.56 1727.73 what they mean by satisfaction um and for and for example . 1727.73 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1731.744 1734.606 1731.76 1734.57 Should it be more like um like a status of - IS1004d A MIO019 0 1735.616 1737.85 1735.64 1737.64 of the these meetings in fact . 1737.64 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1738.576 1738.912 1738.6 1738.88 Yeah . 1738.88 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1739.184 1744.832 1739.2 1744.71 Yeah well in fact uh we we use a little bit the white board and the digital pen , not that much . 1744.09 1744.71 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1745.584 1747.632 1745.6 1747.55 I dunno I think we had a fair bit of creativity . 1747.55 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1747.792 1750.144 1747.99 1750.11 Oh yeah it's really creative . 1750.11 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1750.336 1769.584 1750.336 1769.55 And uh but I think one thing we m missed out of this whole process was a um like a focus group with the actual people we're targeting . We needed some of these kind of young trendsetters to come in and play with the banana and you know see if they 1762.42 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1764.912 1765.568 1764.94 1765.53 Yeah . 1765.53 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1770.048 1770.768 1770.09 1770.69 They like that . 1770.69 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1770.88 1771.664 1770.9 1771.62 see if they like it . 1771.62 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1771.76 1772.352 1771.79 1772.32 Mm-hmm . 1772.32 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1772.0 1775.104 1772.02 1775.06 Yeah maybe we should go through , yeah an uh evaluation . 1773.71 1775.06 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1776.016 1779.024 1776.04 1778.99 Because yeah the evaluation for us is is kind of - IS1004d C MIO022 2 1779.952 1780.608 1779.98 1780.57 Biased . 1780.57 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1779.975 1780.598 1780.02 1780.56 pointless . 1780.56 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1780.704 1783.984 1780.72 1783.95 So maybe you should we should do a kinda evaluation - IS1004d A MIO019 0 1785.184 1790.384 1785.184 1790.35 in the streets like asking to young peoples well , do you like to have a banana as a remote control . 1788.23 1790.35 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1788.458 1789.148 1788.64 1789.06 Yeah . 1789.06 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1790.848 1799.2 1790.91 1799.17 Because it it would also be interesting to uh you to know find out if we have a market in really young children as well , to see you know how to how to market this thing . 1795.97 1799.17 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1790.878 1791.669 1790.95 1791.13 Mm-hmm . 1791.13 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1799.328 1799.814 1799.36 1799.67 Mm-hmm . 1799.67 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1799.303 1800.001 1799.81 1799.95 Yeah . 1799.95 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1800.224 1816.608 1800.24 1816.57 'Cause you know if well I mean maybe you don't wanna give all your kids their own remote because they'll be changing the channel all the time but you know maybe in some households where there is you know a T_V_ for each kid , then you know , banana remote control could be fun for them as well . Might have to draw a face on it . 1812.14 1812.59 1815.69 1816.57 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1815.664 1816.162 1815.7 1815.98 Mm-hmm . 1815.98 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1818.736 1824.896 1818.76 1824.86 So but I think that's something we need to to work on next time is really finding out more about the target - IS1004d B MIE090 1 1826.064 1826.765 1826.23 1826.62 market . 1826.62 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1827.899 1828.269 1828.02 1828.2 Yep . 1828.2 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1829.36 1836.048 1829.38 1836.01 Any any new ideas we could uh we could investigate next time ? Dunno , oranges ? 1834.85 1835.48 1836.01 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1837.312 1847.28 1837.33 1847.24 Yeah . The cost of the thing can be made more than might be . Because I think it's just the optimal , what we have done for the cost which we are looking forward to . 1837.6 1842.02 1844.55 1847.24 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1848.368 1851.104 1848.39 1851.104 Yeah . I think there are ways we could maybe simplify the 1848.54 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1851.856 1852.672 1851.94 1852.63 Interface . 1852.63 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1852.704 1859.072 1852.72 1859.03 Well just the the the circuit board that we're using inside , I'm not sure really how complicated our um 1856.61 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1852.633 1853.374 1852.75 1853.29 Mm-hmm . 1853.29 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1856.589 1857.287 1856.73 1857.24 Mm-hmm . 1857.24 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1860.256 1866.72 1860.28 1866.67 our needs are . I mean all we have is two push buttons and two scrollers , do we really need an integrated circuit to 1861.01 1864.54 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1867.437 1867.773 1867.52 1867.67 Hmm . 1867.67 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1867.987 1869.334 1868.09 1869.22 you know to process that . 1869.22 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1868.176 1869.696 1868.2 1869.66 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 1868.58 1869.33 1869.66 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1870.868 1875.303 1870.98 1875.17 So more general remote control instead of just focusing on uh on T_V_ . 1875.17 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1876.547 1877.473 1876.7 1877.43 That's right . 1877.43 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1876.768 1879.552 1876.82 1879.52 The complexity shouldn't be much higher . 1879.52 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1879.825 1880.237 1879.94 1880.14 Yeah . 1880.14 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1882.096 1886.005 1882.12 1886.005 For you said if it good for D_V_D_ then I would - IS1004d B MIE090 1 1885.125 1902.928 1885.48 1902.89 And also fo you know for mood lighting and and stuff , that would be rather cool . I think that's actually something that should be in version two , is the ability to you know to control things other than the T_V_ and not just electronic equipment but you know the whole environment of the room . 1888.63 1890.39 1894.74 1902.89 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1896.455 1897.608 1896.62 1897.42 Integrate . 1897.42 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1899.905 1900.494 1900.01 1900.33 Mm-hmm . 1900.33 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1905.6 1907.616 1905.62 1907.58 Okay . Very good . 1907.24 1907.58 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1908.992 1909.776 1909.01 1909.776 So - IS1004d A MIO019 0 1909.208 1910.272 1909.208 1910.272 So - IS1004d C MIO022 2 1911.632 1912.541 1911.67 1912.31 What else ? 1912.31 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1912.976 1915.936 1913.0 1915.84 Well done . I think we we can go 1913.98 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1913.862 1914.796 1914.03 1914.52 Okay . 1914.52 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1916.224 1919.552 1916.25 1919.552 Home ? Happily satisfied . 1917.86 1919.1 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1917.002 1922.512 1917.16 1922.46 home . Yeah . Maybe maybe we can hassle the the 1918.75 1919.38 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1923.936 1930.56 1923.96 1929.83 production department to to make a a real prototype that we can use at home to to evaluate . 1929.83 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1929.744 1930.116 1929.78 1930.05 Mm-hmm . 1930.05 IS1004d A MIO019 0 1932.309 1935.168 1932.309 1935.12 Okay so thanks very much . Bye . 1934.9 1935.12 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1932.557 1933.138 1932.68 1933.07 Yep . 1933.07 IS1004d B MIE090 1 1934.528 1936.01 1934.528 1935.91 Okay . Thank you . 1935.2 1935.91 IS1004d C MIO022 2 1934.494 1935.167 1934.57 1935.1 Thank you . 1935.1 IS1004d D MIO047 3 1935.696 1936.045 1935.73 1935.9 Bye . 1935.9 IS1005a B MIO077 1 27.888 31.024 28.58 30.96 Now what . 30.96 IS1005a A MIO055 0 58.016 77.721 58.41 77.54 'Kay , hello everybody . Uh , I guess you all know what is it about , you all received the email , I guess . Uh , we are actually doing this meeting to start a new project which is about designing a remote control . So I'm going to be the project manager of this uh project . 58.61 60.13 60.85 62.97 64.22 65.25 65.88 72.62 77.54 IS1005a A MIO055 0 78.32 87.687 78.34 87.65 And uh so I'm present myself . I'm Fabien Cardinaux and uh I I guess you can present yourself . 80.79 87.65 IS1005a A MIO055 0 88.505 90.16 88.53 90.13 So I dunno , you can starts . 89.48 90.13 IS1005a B MIO077 1 90.08 96.125 90.1 96.04 Okay , so my name is Petre . You can call me Petre , or Peter if you like . I don't care . 90.3 91.81 93.86 94.91 96.04 IS1005a A MIO055 0 95.577 96.167 95.76 95.97 Okay . 95.97 IS1005a D MIE002 3 97.456 101.443 97.48 101.28 Uh my name's Bob Mor . Oh , sorry . 99.63 99.95 101.28 IS1005a A MIO055 0 98.608 100.205 98.63 99.88 And you are ? In the project ? 99.31 99.88 IS1005a B MIO077 1 99.536 103.297 99.56 102.41 Uh , in the project I'm supposed to be the technic . 100.02 102.41 IS1005a D MIE002 3 104.07 111.772 104.28 111.66 'Kay . So my name's Bob Morris . I'm the Marketing Expert for this project . Bob yeah . 105.08 107.23 110.87 111.66 IS1005a B MIO077 1 110.112 111.808 110.26 111.76 Bob , okay . 111.47 111.76 IS1005a C MIO076 2 111.744 119.811 112.53 119.44 My name is Hamed Getabdar , and uh I'm going to be Interface Designer in this project . 114.22 119.44 IS1005a B MIO077 1 123.616 124.192 123.71 124.06 Okay . 124.06 IS1005a A MIO055 0 131.152 138.448 131.94 138.28 So , uh , so today we are doing a short meeting to present the project , so um 132.57 133.42 137.2 IS1005a A MIO055 0 139.318 158.192 139.56 158.15 We are gooding we are going to present the tool we are we are going to use during all this project . We are talking about the project plan , and we are going to to discuss about st our first ideas and so on , and , yeah . So we have around twenty five minutes to do this meeting . 145.55 147.57 152.78 153.7 154.54 158.15 IS1005a A MIO055 0 160.592 178.384 160.61 178.33 Um . So what is the goal of this project ? Is to design a new remote control . So it should be , of course , new and original , and um it should be trendy , and user friendly . That mean it's a very challenging project , and uh 162.14 163.83 167.24 168.29 168.79 170.45 173.54 175.42 177.68 IS1005a A MIO055 0 180.096 188.64 180.12 188.52 uh . So w it's we will try to do our best , and hopefully come with something very new and that 180.62 184.1 IS1005a A MIO055 0 189.648 190.768 189.67 190.6 people want to buy . 190.6 IS1005a A MIO055 0 192.592 194.176 192.61 194.176 So , um 193.26 IS1005a A MIO055 0 199.52 219.488 199.54 219.45 So what's uh what are we going to do during this all this project ? So it's more like we are going to do inv individual work all in o in o our specialities and we are going to meet each other quite often to discuss and to find a good way . 205.05 219.45 IS1005a A MIO055 0 220.912 221.755 221.02 221.57 Um . 221.57 IS1005a A MIO055 0 231.952 234.928 231.97 234.6 Yeah and everything is will be like this . 234.6 IS1005a A MIO055 0 237.04 267.136 237.71 266.72 Um so now we are going to to get used t to to the tools we are going to use all during all this project . So we can try to use uh the whiteboard here . So uh . For example we can try to write what is our our favourite animal and write the f our favourite characteristics about it . 248.2 252.32 256.33 266.72 IS1005a B MIO077 1 252.075 253.142 252.41 252.76 Okay . 252.76 IS1005a A MIO055 0 269.088 269.568 269.13 269.52 Mm . 269.52 IS1005a A MIO055 0 279.312 282.318 279.34 282.318 Uh . So uh 280.94 IS1005a A MIO055 0 309.986 317.328 310.27 317.08 So I will ask you all to do the same . Just to get used to the whiteboard . 313.63 317.08 IS1005a B MIO077 1 312.816 314.224 312.86 313.97 Okay . 313.97 IS1005a B MIO077 1 316.746 326.304 317.31 326.17 So probably I would try to try to draw the animal . Well sh should I draw the picture of the animal ? I I th I think I should . 322.44 324.59 326.17 IS1005a A MIO055 0 324.976 328.736 325.0 328.3 Yeah , yeah , you can draw the picture , of course . 325.14 325.29 326.15 328.3 IS1005a D MIE002 3 324.883 326.976 325.17 326.73 Yeah go ahead . 326.73 IS1005a B MIO077 1 327.52 330.182 328.72 330.04 Okay , so . 328.98 330.04 IS1005a B MIO077 1 334.341 339.936 334.62 339.88 Um . 339.88 IS1005a B MIO077 1 342.288 352.416 342.63 352.11 Okay , American , um . Um . I would use the bird . 343.04 346.9 349.78 350.78 352.11 IS1005a B MIO077 1 354.644 356.528 354.81 356.34 So I tried to sketch it out . 356.34 IS1005a B MIO077 1 358.886 367.664 359.09 367.6 I had to first uh write it down because I am not absolutely sure if I can draw it , but ah . 366.68 367.6 IS1005a B MIO077 1 370.953 373.457 371.27 373.36 Can you recognise it as a bird ? 373.36 IS1005a B MIO077 1 375.941 378.367 376.29 378.367 Okay it's your turn to - IS1005a D MIE002 3 376.729 379.61 376.96 379.56 Okay , okay . 378.14 379.56 IS1005a D MIE002 3 387.331 394.304 387.331 394.2 So I think my favourite animal would be a c a cat . 394.2 IS1005a A MIO055 0 401.408 401.68 401.43 401.65 Oh . 401.65 IS1005a D MIE002 3 408.109 416.02 408.46 415.9 That's its head . Um I probably like cats the most because they're cuddly and furry and uh playful . 409.82 415.9 IS1005a D MIE002 3 417.813 418.675 418.06 418.51 Okay . 418.51 IS1005a C MIO076 2 422.243 426.944 422.26 426.86 I dunno if I should go with this . 426.86 IS1005a B MIO077 1 423.21 424.359 423.42 424.28 Oh it's okay . 424.28 IS1005a D MIE002 3 424.352 428.664 424.37 428.664 Thanks . 428.43 IS1005a C MIO076 2 428.592 434.944 428.78 434.944 If it is enough line . I'm sorry . 433.68 434.79 IS1005a D MIE002 3 430.96 436.784 430.96 436.68 Maybe put it up Put it a Maybe put it on the desk or something . 436.68 IS1005a B MIO077 1 437.2 438.128 437.22 438.04 Yeah . 438.04 IS1005a B MIO077 1 441.804 454.768 441.89 454.73 I should get used to the tool , so . Oh just wait a little bit . C could we put it here , to make it as straight as possible ? Ah probably not . 443.77 446.38 448.81 451.7 453.85 454.73 IS1005a C MIO076 2 444.736 447.141 444.736 446.93 Okay . 446.93 IS1005a C MIO076 2 454.848 458.86 454.848 458.53 They should be remote . 458.53 IS1005a B MIO077 1 457.424 459.184 457.44 459.15 Okay , it it works like this . 458.21 459.15 IS1005a D MIE002 3 457.443 458.921 457.67 458.8 Uh , that's better . 457.98 458.8 IS1005a C MIO076 2 459.264 460.16 459.33 459.99 Okay , thanks . 459.71 459.99 IS1005a D MIE002 3 460.952 462.922 461.07 462.8 Your lapel microphone's fallen off . 462.8 IS1005a B MIO077 1 466.608 472.768 467.28 472.68 Are you left-handed ? Oh , pity . 469.35 470.04 472.68 IS1005a C MIO076 2 468.656 468.944 468.7 468.9 No . 468.9 IS1005a C MIO076 2 470.416 475.783 470.92 475.783 Okay . Should I clean ? 472.2 475.71 IS1005a C MIO076 2 480.763 490.896 480.98 490.85 Okay , I think like horses uh because they are strong and beautiful , so if I want to write it here , I think I can . 481.38 486.54 490.1 490.85 IS1005a C MIO076 2 494.56 498.784 494.56 498.15 Oh . 498.15 IS1005a A MIO055 0 497.376 498.937 497.4 498.937 Never mind . 498.56 IS1005a B MIO077 1 497.968 500.672 498.05 500.42 Ah , it's maybe better if you leave it . 498.88 500.42 IS1005a D MIE002 3 498.156 499.475 498.156 499.34 Yeah . 499.34 IS1005a D MIE002 3 500.816 505.072 500.86 505.072 Yeah . Maybe we should just continue . Yeah , don't worry about it . 501.47 503.53 503.81 505.02 IS1005a A MIO055 0 502.918 503.443 503.08 503.26 Yeah . 503.26 IS1005a A MIO055 0 505.776 506.784 505.776 506.75 , no worry . 505.776 506.75 IS1005a D MIE002 3 505.897 507.087 506.21 506.65 No . 506.65 IS1005a C MIO076 2 539.76 541.264 539.92 541.12 Okay . 541.12 IS1005a B MIO077 1 541.312 542.752 541.33 542.41 You won't draw them , or ? 542.2 542.41 IS1005a A MIO055 0 541.936 547.04 541.96 547.04 You can draw it , if you want . 542.91 546.6 IS1005a C MIO076 2 543.497 567.056 543.59 567.056 I dunno if I can . Okay . It may be like a cow or I dunno , whatever . I'm not good very good in drawing . Okay , so this is very It's a bird , I think . I dunno what is it . 547.55 550.1 552.42 556.3 559.41 560.59 563.65 564.42 566.8 IS1005a B MIO077 1 545.984 549.088 546.0 549.05 Just try . I would like to see how it looks like . 546.41 549.05 IS1005a B MIO077 1 567.12 568.208 567.14 568.11 No , I think it's clear . 567.25 568.11 IS1005a C MIO076 2 572.304 573.68 572.304 573.58 Four . 573.58 IS1005a C MIO076 2 575.472 576.032 575.49 575.84 Okay . 575.84 IS1005a C MIO076 2 577.664 578.176 577.7 578.14 Mm-hmm . 578.14 IS1005a C MIO076 2 584.416 585.808 584.44 585.74 Mm . 585.74 IS1005a C MIO076 2 587.12 597.421 587.14 597.37 Yeah . I'm shameful Yeah . Okay . 588.06 596.68 597.37 IS1005a D MIE002 3 589.248 591.456 589.248 591.42 Oh that's good , it's good . 591.01 591.42 IS1005a B MIO077 1 589.728 592.672 589.75 592.53 It's okay . It's in it's indeed beautiful . 590.18 592.53 IS1005a A MIO055 0 590.482 591.365 590.69 590.9 Good . 590.9 IS1005a D MIE002 3 592.912 596.497 592.93 596.497 Yeah , and strong . 593.34 596.43 IS1005a B MIO077 1 598.032 599.664 598.39 599.57 Okay . 599.57 IS1005a B MIO077 1 604.205 606.831 604.39 606.68 Bob . Have to remember it . 605.39 606.68 IS1005a B MIO077 1 607.788 609.553 608.33 609.49 Bob . 609.49 IS1005a A MIO055 0 608.775 634.096 609.11 634.06 So good um So , let's talk about money . Uh we are going to to sell we want to sell uh this remote control for twenty five Euro Euro . And uh our expected profit will be around fifty million Euro . 613.72 615.87 626.4 634.06 IS1005a A MIO055 0 635.392 641.696 635.41 641.6 And uh we are trying to to have a market all around the world . 641.6 IS1005a A MIO055 0 642.944 646.73 643.11 646.4 So n not only for Switzerland , but for the world . 645.37 646.4 IS1005a A MIO055 0 647.872 648.448 647.91 648.22 Uh . 648.22 IS1005a A MIO055 0 649.472 650.848 649.69 650.76 So , um . 650.49 650.76 IS1005a A MIO055 0 652.304 656.544 652.35 656.51 The We expect a production cost of maximum - IS1005a A MIO055 0 658.0 660.88 658.06 660.81 uh twelve point fifty Euro . 660.81 IS1005a B MIO077 1 663.872 666.368 663.93 666.32 Per unit , I guess . Y oh okay . 664.56 665.5 666.32 IS1005a A MIO055 0 665.036 667.904 665.036 667.29 Yeah , of course . 665.69 667.29 IS1005a A MIO055 0 671.4 694.013 671.54 693.5 Um , so we can start today to have a first idea of what we want to do what are our experiments with remote control , and any idea ? So , if you have some experience , good or bad , with remote controls you can share it and say what you f what is your idea . Anything . 673.31 680.3 682.16 683.18 685.51 686.52 693.1 693.5 IS1005a B MIO077 1 696.64 697.184 696.91 697.15 Okay . 697.15 IS1005a D MIE002 3 697.104 728.448 697.12 728.41 Well , from experience , um I've had remote controls in the past that have had very they've had lots and lots of buttons and they've been very small , and it's been very hard to to to use , because there's so many buttons , and you know it's very hard to see which buttons do what , and the buttons are very small and very hard to press . Um and and normally you only every use , you know , on a T_V_ remote you only ever use , mostly , you know , f four or f six buttons . Um . 697.49 698.54 705.09 708.54 710.81 713.94 717.93 720.22 720.78 723.2 724.42 724.73 727.96 728.41 IS1005a A MIO055 0 725.52 725.92 725.54 725.87 Mm . 725.87 IS1005a B MIO077 1 726.192 727.051 726.23 726.94 Oh . 726.94 IS1005a D MIE002 3 730.544 733.381 730.56 733.17 So it's frustrated me in the past , th that . 732.65 733.17 IS1005a B MIO077 1 734.994 769.817 735.58 769.78 Okay , I have also some points uh . Maybe two points . Uh first would be that in current remote controls there is no back light , so if you are if you are uh playing with this in the dark room it's it's probably worth to to have something like uh back light . And maybe it could be also dependant on the the amount of of light in the room , so that if if it's in the day it doesn't need to be back lighted because it works on the battery , so . So something like this . 736.0 737.66 738.73 744.66 755.09 761.67 767.5 768.63 769.78 IS1005a A MIO055 0 748.288 749.184 748.48 748.77 Yeah . 748.77 IS1005a B MIO077 1 769.817 783.296 769.89 783.26 And the second thing , f second point from me would be that in a normal remote control there is uh there are two buttons for volume control . But I prefer like a potential-meter or something like . 771.17 779.97 783.26 IS1005a A MIO055 0 779.922 780.611 780.1 780.53 Yeah . 780.53 IS1005a D MIE002 3 783.936 785.973 783.96 785.81 Ah , okay . Okay . 784.31 785.38 785.81 IS1005a B MIO077 1 785.44 791.664 785.51 791.664 You know , some slider or Not just two discrete buttons for volume , but something which 785.89 790.81 IS1005a A MIO055 0 787.072 787.941 787.09 787.55 Okay . 787.55 IS1005a C MIO076 2 787.632 788.144 787.68 788.11 Mm-hmm . 788.11 IS1005a D MIE002 3 788.112 789.424 788.13 789.424 Okay , n 788.94 IS1005a A MIO055 0 791.92 792.336 791.95 792.29 Mm-hmm . 792.29 IS1005a D MIE002 3 792.912 797.28 792.93 797.25 Is that because the of the discrete volume levels , or is that 796.83 IS1005a A MIO055 0 793.003 793.722 793.33 793.53 Yeah . 793.53 IS1005a B MIO077 1 797.328 803.04 797.35 803.0 Yeah , but I can reach In uh one second I can mute it down , or or make a high volume . 797.51 800.97 803.0 IS1005a A MIO055 0 800.943 812.152 800.943 812.152 Are you not afraid that if you take your remote control you can move the slide and it could the the volume can go up very quickly and it can - IS1005a D MIE002 3 801.238 801.909 801.43 801.64 Yeah . 801.64 IS1005a B MIO077 1 808.048 809.904 808.29 809.87 Ah , n . 809.04 809.87 IS1005a B MIO077 1 811.616 815.343 811.66 815.09 If it drops to the floor then it starts to scream . 815.09 IS1005a A MIO055 0 813.36 821.584 813.38 821.55 Yeah , also if y when you take the the remote control , for example on the table , you take it and you push the button and everything is very loud , and 813.66 815.77 817.33 821.36 IS1005a B MIO077 1 822.308 828.368 822.308 828.23 Yeah , f It depends what what you feel about that . 825.54 828.23 IS1005a A MIO055 0 823.296 825.024 823.32 824.65 you have a heart attack . 824.65 IS1005a A MIO055 0 829.44 829.84 829.46 829.75 Okay . 829.75 IS1005a D MIE002 3 829.399 829.947 829.49 829.74 Yeah . 829.74 IS1005a B MIO077 1 833.344 840.206 833.36 840.08 Yeah but we can we can think of these things afterwards , but if you have some more notes on that . 836.85 840.08 IS1005a A MIO055 0 838.463 841.007 838.59 840.76 Yeah so you can Do you have something ? 840.76 IS1005a C MIO076 2 838.656 858.608 838.7 858.41 Uh I Yeah , just a simple experience . I uh I prefer um remote control working with radio waves , because remote control working with infra-red rays you should you should you should keep it in a specific direction and then try it hard to tune . 840.55 842.62 847.81 858.41 IS1005a A MIO055 0 851.152 852.798 851.18 852.67 Yeah , that's true . 851.62 852.67 IS1005a A MIO055 0 856.293 858.96 856.5 858.65 Yeah without obstacles and . 858.65 IS1005a B MIO077 1 859.264 860.176 859.51 860.12 Okay . 860.12 IS1005a A MIO055 0 866.224 882.336 866.25 882.28 Okay . Let's continue . I have a meeting in five minutes , so maybe we should hurry . Um . So we will close uh this meeting . So we will have a next meeting in uh thirty minutes . 867.16 867.75 869.28 872.39 874.98 878.56 882.28 IS1005a B MIO077 1 866.624 868.331 866.67 868.25 Um . 868.25 IS1005a D MIE002 3 870.352 870.672 870.39 870.64 Okay . 870.64 IS1005a B MIO077 1 871.568 873.328 872.03 873.29 Okay , just a second . 872.59 873.29 IS1005a A MIO055 0 883.376 885.648 884.06 885.52 Um . 885.52 IS1005a A MIO055 0 887.888 904.656 888.95 904.44 Uh . The So I will ask you to do some work . Uh the the interface interface developer will work on the on the design of the remote control , start to to have new idea and 889.89 893.49 901.84 IS1005a B MIO077 1 904.608 906.432 904.63 906.39 Which i which is Hamed , ? Okay . 906.08 906.08 906.39 IS1005a A MIO055 0 905.664 907.265 905.73 907.2 read about Yeah . 907.2 IS1005a C MIO076 2 906.016 906.492 906.05 906.31 Mm . 906.31 IS1005a D MIE002 3 906.358 909.104 906.88 909.02 He's the Industrial Designer ? No , you're the Industrial Designer . 907.98 908.08 909.02 IS1005a C MIO076 2 908.8 910.195 909.2 910.02 Yeah . 910.02 IS1005a B MIO077 1 909.328 913.472 909.37 912.46 Uh I am the Technical Designer , I dunno which one , uh v . 910.96 911.65 912.46 IS1005a A MIO055 0 910.357 910.775 910.48 910.68 Oh . 910.68 IS1005a D MIE002 3 911.024 917.488 911.04 917.42 Yeah , I think that's the first . I_D_ . Industrial Designer . And the second one is the User Interface Designer . 911.27 912.56 913.45 915.04 917.42 IS1005a A MIO055 0 911.656 913.421 911.68 912.93 Industry and Oh . 912.93 IS1005a C MIO076 2 912.233 912.911 912.31 912.5 Uh-huh . 912.5 IS1005a C MIO076 2 917.664 918.224 917.7 918.17 Mm-hmm . 918.17 IS1005a B MIO077 1 919.136 920.272 919.21 920.24 User Interf Okay . 920.24 IS1005a D MIE002 3 919.504 921.712 919.52 921.68 And then last one's marketing , which is me . 921.22 921.68 IS1005a A MIO055 0 921.217 921.906 921.4 921.54 Yeah . 921.54 IS1005a B MIO077 1 921.952 923.712 921.97 923.5 Okay , so I'm the first one . 922.22 923.5 IS1005a A MIO055 0 922.752 924.128 922.77 924.128 So , um 923.15 IS1005a A MIO055 0 925.856 930.576 925.88 930.38 For the User Interface Designer , which is Hamed um , 927.81 930.38 IS1005a C MIO076 2 929.136 929.664 929.16 929.61 Mm-hmm . 929.61 IS1005a A MIO055 0 932.448 937.568 932.5 936.88 uh , you are going to work on the technical functions of the remote control . 933.07 936.88 IS1005a B MIO077 1 932.768 933.993 933.14 933.73 I see . 933.73 IS1005a C MIO076 2 936.832 937.392 936.89 937.3 Okay . 937.3 IS1005a A MIO055 0 938.56 941.248 938.58 941.15 And for the Marketing uh - IS1005a A MIO055 0 942.288 946.512 942.33 946.48 Manager , I dunno , okay , which is Bob , uh 942.83 944.05 944.89 945.97 IS1005a A MIO055 0 949.568 958.24 949.59 958.21 you are going to try to to find the user requirements f uh for the remote control . 958.21 IS1005a A MIO055 0 959.696 970.643 959.72 969.74 Um , you will receive by email uh the specific instructions and uh by your personal coach . 960.95 969.74 IS1005a B MIO077 1 971.041 972.067 971.041 971.88 Sign . 971.88 IS1005a A MIO055 0 973.321 974.704 973.41 974.65 Yep finished . 974.65 IS1005a A MIO055 0 976.128 978.384 976.15 978.3 So I see you in thirty minutes . 978.3 IS1005a D MIE002 3 978.304 980.976 978.32 980.84 Great , okay . Thanks guys . Bye . 978.64 979.76 980.29 980.84 IS1005a B MIO077 1 979.136 979.792 979.24 979.75 Okay . 979.75 IS1005a C MIO076 2 979.712 981.312 979.73 981.24 Okay , thanks . Bye . 980.49 981.01 981.24 IS1005a A MIO055 0 981.936 982.384 981.97 982.34 Thank you . 982.34 IS1005a B MIO077 1 983.776 984.384 983.94 984.34 Uh . 984.34 IS1005b A MIO055 0 37.504 44.688 37.52 44.51 So um nice to see you again . Uh . So , uh . 42.02 43.38 44.15 44.51 IS1005b A MIO055 0 46.064 51.824 47.79 51.78 Tod uh for this meeting I will take the notes and do the minutes . 51.78 IS1005b A MIO055 0 52.816 57.36 53.13 57.33 Uh so we will see our three presentations . 57.33 IS1005b A MIO055 0 58.576 74.016 58.75 73.97 Um we will start with the uh Manager Expert wi who will talk about uh user re requirements , whats user needs and what it desire for this devi device . 67.94 73.97 IS1005b D MIE002 3 74.24 82.512 75.52 82.512 Okay , can I have the laptop over here , or ? Okay . Have to get up . 76.06 77.53 79.08 79.6 82.39 IS1005b A MIO055 0 77.066 80.352 77.19 80.32 Yep . Oh , I don't think so . I think you have to come here . 77.93 78.14 78.79 80.32 IS1005b A MIO055 0 81.256 82.196 81.56 81.9 I dunno . 81.9 IS1005b A MIO055 0 83.792 84.96 83.83 84.85 I think it should stay . 84.85 IS1005b D MIE002 3 84.485 89.981 84.65 89.79 Excuse me . Okay . 89.2 89.79 IS1005b B MIO077 1 85.696 86.848 85.72 86.77 Yeah , that's it . 85.87 86.77 IS1005b A MIO055 0 92.064 96.768 92.7 96.768 Should stay in the square here . 96.53 IS1005b D MIE002 3 93.66 95.008 94.44 94.92 Okay . 94.92 IS1005b A MIO055 0 105.226 106.064 105.58 106.02 Oh , maybe . 105.7 106.02 IS1005b D MIE002 3 117.664 156.241 117.68 156.241 Okay , so basically I'm gonna present some findings of a study we conducted uh into uh what users want in this remote control . Um so first of all we what we did is we um conducted a an experiment with a hundred test subjects . Um we put them in a in our um usability laboratory and got them to , you know , um play with remote controls , and also to complete , after they'd done that , to complete a questionnaire uh to tell us what they like and what they don't like in remote controls . 118.23 126.77 137.08 142.55 143.6 145.58 146.98 147.81 155.8 IS1005b A MIO055 0 119.904 123.229 119.92 123.05 Oh , you can put it here . Oh that's okay , it's jus 120.19 122.05 122.74 IS1005b D MIE002 3 156.241 196.736 156.35 196.58 So basically um the major things we found out was that um basically users don't like the look and feel of of most remote controls that are currently on the market . Um they , you know , seventy five percent of the people we we uh did the experiments on , found that rem remote the remote controls that they'd used in the past were ugly . Completely ugly . Um they they didn't match the operating behaviour of the user , that is , you know , the the way users use remote controls when they're watching T_V_ . Um , that the layout of the remote controls didn't match they way that they used it . Um and 168.09 169.44 169.96 174.42 178.6 179.75 185.35 185.75 186.37 189.74 190.43 195.1 IS1005b D MIE002 3 198.304 223.28 198.34 223.18 thirdly they say that w half of the users that we um tested said that they only used ten percent of the buttons that uh are on remote controls . Um so we collect we also some collected some usage statistics uh based on how these test subjects were using their remote control . And from this we basically came up with the figure that 208.78 219.18 IS1005b D MIE002 3 224.496 254.784 224.52 254.74 the channel buttons , the channel selection buttons are the most by far the most used buttons on the remote control . Um and you can see they're used a hundred and sixty eight times per hour on average , um , while the user's watching T_V_ . Um the closest button that was used , well the cl the button that was used that was closest to the channel button was the teletext button , um which was used fourteen times per hour , followed by the volume button , which was four times per hour , um , 225.56 232.7 237.24 237.85 239.72 243.55 248.55 250.92 252.54 254.19 254.74 IS1005b D MIE002 3 256.432 279.479 256.45 279.25 all the other , all the other um buttons , such as ch um audio and picture selection um configuration buttons and things were used , you know , l approx well less than or equal to one times per hour . Um we also asked users um which buttons had the most importance to them , you know , which which buttons they felt were the most important buttons on on the remote control . 257.19 258.94 264.96 265.58 269.47 274.97 275.27 279.25 IS1005b D MIE002 3 279.479 311.888 279.59 311.55 And basically they came they said the channel , volume , and power buttons had the highest relevance to users , um note that only power was very infrequently used , it only had a b a a fr usage frequency of about one times per hour , but users ranked it as having a very very high relevance . Um and the audio and picture settings had a very that well the users thought that um w the audio and picture settings were very uh weren't very important to them um , and they used them very infrequently a as well . 282.75 283.1 285.64 288.82 294.44 297.83 309.61 311.55 IS1005b D MIE002 3 313.024 323.296 313.024 323.15 So we asked users what what um frustrates them the most about um current remote controls . And 322.65 IS1005b D MIE002 3 324.928 361.51 324.99 361.33 fifty percent of the users said that uh what frustrates them is losing the remote control um somewhere in the room and not being able to find it . Um they also said that it um it takes a lot of time to learn a new remote control , especially when there's many buttons and it's a , you know , a c a a unintuitive interface . Um and then thirdly , they some users commented on the fact that the the you know the way that you have to hold and press buttons on a remote control ar are bad and um cause u repetitive strain injury . 333.99 340.3 342.47 342.69 345.64 347.43 361.33 IS1005b D MIE002 3 363.6 396.391 363.6 396.23 We also asked some users about some specific features that they'd like to see in the on the remote control . In particular , do they want an L_C_D_ d display , and secondly , do they think speech recognition uh is a useful feature to have on a remote control . Um basically our findings are that um amongst a younger age groups uh the answer is umv overwhelmingly yes . They want these features , they want these high technology features . Um for instance , ninety one percent of pe of people aged between fifteen and twenty five said yes , they want these features . 369.53 370.17 372.1 373.01 378.75 385.94 386.87 389.27 390.22 395.23 396.23 IS1005b D MIE002 3 396.391 432.08 396.47 431.87 Whereas um the the trend was as users as users um became older and older uh they were less likely to want these sort of features in a um in a remote control . So I guess it depends on where we're focusing our our market . Um and as our company motto is putting fashion in electronics , um I think we're focusing on the younger younger um target demographic , and so maybe we should think about adding these sort of high technology features into our remote control . That's my dic that's my presentation . Thank you . 408.82 411.79 418.29 423.61 429.34 430.86 431.87 IS1005b A MIO055 0 428.432 428.688 428.46 428.63 Hmm . 428.63 IS1005b A MIO055 0 432.32 432.736 432.35 432.7 Thank you . 432.7 IS1005b C MIO076 2 441.021 441.84 441.32 441.66 Okay . 441.66 IS1005b A MIO055 0 443.376 445.408 443.85 445.05 So , um 444.75 IS1005b A MIO055 0 448.08 462.656 448.1 462.53 maybe now we can talk about a user interface and uh about the technical function of this device . So uh Pet Peter , can you talk say something about that ? 458.04 460.5 462.53 IS1005b B MIO077 1 461.696 467.177 461.74 467.14 Well , okay , yeah . Yeah , but the user user interface is responsible . 463.14 463.53 463.8 463.98 467.14 IS1005b A MIO055 0 464.516 465.106 464.74 464.92 No . 464.92 IS1005b C MIO076 2 464.63 477.805 464.86 477.37 B you think uh I I'm User Interface Manager . Okay . Okay . If I could go there with this cable . 469.84 471.6 473.51 477.37 IS1005b A MIO055 0 467.248 470.912 467.27 470.86 Ah . Sorry , I'm Sorry . Sorry . 468.97 469.31 470.64 470.86 IS1005b B MIO077 1 467.623 469.469 468.04 469.11 Okay , so . 468.26 469.11 IS1005b B MIO077 1 481.645 487.92 481.82 487.88 You're scaring me with L_C_D_ man . And speech recognition in remote unit , it will be very e expensive . 484.32 486.38 487.88 IS1005b D MIE002 3 487.968 504.944 487.968 504.91 Yeah , it's true , but , you know , they're features that users want , so it's And our production cost of twelve fifty Euros per per unit is fairly high I think , so I think we can afford to to add these sort of features into our remote . 489.21 489.65 489.95 492.03 493.37 501.29 504.91 IS1005b B MIO077 1 494.128 494.416 494.19 494.33 Yeah . 494.33 IS1005b B MIO077 1 501.28 501.781 501.31 501.52 Yeah . 501.52 IS1005b B MIO077 1 505.024 510.848 505.04 510.848 At least we have couple of months t to work on it so so it will be cheaper finally . 510.5 IS1005b C MIO076 2 508.039 510.66 508.7 510.66 Sh okay . 510.04 IS1005b D MIE002 3 509.536 510.512 509.61 510.07 It is true . 510.07 IS1005b C MIO076 2 512.304 516.112 512.61 515.96 Where's delete button ? Okay . 514.8 515.96 IS1005b C MIO076 2 516.436 520.736 516.69 520.736 Oh I'm sorry . 520.31 IS1005b C MIO076 2 539.042 540.652 539.73 540.44 Okay . 540.44 IS1005b D MIE002 3 539.896 541.328 540.18 541.29 That's the wrong one , I think . 540.99 541.29 IS1005b A MIO055 0 541.383 546.96 541.86 546.92 Yeah , it's still Bob Morris . Yeah you should have put yes . 541.98 545.34 546.92 IS1005b C MIO076 2 542.848 544.736 542.88 544.7 Oh . Presentation three ? 543.73 544.7 IS1005b B MIO077 1 544.976 546.144 545.0 546.07 Because you cancelled it . 546.07 IS1005b B MIO077 1 547.248 547.616 547.27 547.39 Yeah . 547.39 IS1005b C MIO076 2 547.712 549.104 547.73 549.104 Oh . 548.98 IS1005b A MIO055 0 547.845 548.746 547.99 548.64 Click on yes . 548.64 IS1005b A MIO055 0 552.352 553.328 552.352 553.21 yeah . 553.21 IS1005b B MIO077 1 552.56 553.542 552.87 553.49 Yep . 553.49 IS1005b C MIO076 2 561.408 613.716 562.08 613.63 Okay , so here is my presentation about technical function design . I will talk about different components and s of system and how they react together . Okay , uh , first what is a remote control ? Simply it's a device , as you know , for uh , for sending some commands by some waves to uh another device to to tell different commands uh with this device . And the main idea we don't use any cable and we can rec react simpler with the device . Uh i it has different blocks , different blocks . Uh first is remote control have sh ha should have some electric circuits uh making interface with uh keyboard and uh r reading uh keyboard and reading the keyboard uh commands . 562.69 566.99 573.27 573.99 575.19 577.22 579.19 580.15 580.76 589.14 596.55 599.46 600.95 613.63 IS1005b C MIO076 2 613.716 652.208 613.91 651.65 And then inter then make uh these keyboard commands , uh in interpret these int uh keyboard commands . And then there should be uh an electronic circuit making uh electronic signals according to these commands and uh finally there is a transmitter which is a cord or a a diode making uh making uh waves to transmit through the air and uh uh this air this uh wave uh will be received by the by the other device like a television or whatever , to uh r to realise the command . 617.74 621.65 649.2 651.65 IS1005b C MIO076 2 653.552 683.869 653.58 683.64 Okay , uh about what I found about uh different uh these different blocks are uh , usually there are two different methods uh to for designing a remote control . They are based on infra-red uh waves or uh uh radio waves . There are two different uh uh solutions I mean . This is uh this can be uh uh the the differences the th between different kind of waves , infra-red or radio waves . 655.33 661.22 666.43 672.33 675.97 682.15 683.64 IS1005b B MIO077 1 670.763 672.897 670.91 672.7 You still want me the presentation . 672.7 IS1005b C MIO076 2 683.869 725.777 683.99 725.7 And uh also as uh I understood , and uh I think it was a part of uh Bob , uh uh presentation , people prefer to have uh to have uh the remote control with less button . So for the electronic part , working and interfacing , with button , we should we should try to t try to design a remote control having uh some some simpler buttons or some rolling buttons to just to just to search between different options , and showing o something on T_V_ and putting less lesser stuff on the uh on the remote control . 687.29 690.39 693.98 698.96 700.65 702.62 703.28 717.4 725.7 IS1005b C MIO076 2 725.777 753.673 726.11 753.5 And uh personal preferences , uh uh uh uh certainly a remote control with uh working with radio waves is uh preferred because uh you can pr you can take it in any direction and you don't need to tune it any way . And uh uh again , using bigger buttons and less number of buttons are also preferred , as I see . Okay . That was my presentation . 728.15 743.17 745.69 750.86 751.59 752.23 753.5 IS1005b D MIE002 3 754.336 754.608 754.36 754.56 Okay . 754.56 IS1005b D MIE002 3 764.208 765.104 764.33 764.96 I have a question . 764.96 IS1005b C MIO076 2 765.688 766.448 765.93 766.29 Uh-huh . 766.29 IS1005b D MIE002 3 766.384 772.176 766.4 772.04 Do you think radio waves um will interfere with other appliances in the home ? 772.04 IS1005b C MIO076 2 772.704 789.248 773.42 789.05 Uh , I don't think so , because uh we can make uh we ca we can make this wave in a specific frequency . So they can be in a range which is not inter interfering with the with other devices inside the home . 774.98 775.89 781.03 789.05 IS1005b D MIE002 3 788.864 789.472 788.88 789.35 Okay . 789.35 IS1005b A MIO055 0 789.4 794.768 789.52 794.72 So can we use any any frequency ? We have the right to use any frequency ? 792.47 794.72 IS1005b B MIO077 1 789.536 791.305 789.59 791.08 Yeah , it should be okay . 789.71 791.08 IS1005b C MIO076 2 794.688 812.32 794.71 812.27 Uh no but as I know , there is a range for uh for this uh f for for uh for this stuff , for designing this circuit . We can we can we can tune our uh transmitter to work in this range , and for this range we don't need to ask any permission . 796.2 802.41 804.18 809.37 812.27 IS1005b A MIO055 0 812.512 824.384 812.53 824.35 Okay . And what happen with uh radio waves when two neighbours have the same have our remote control , for example ? And so do they have the same frequency , or ? 813.23 819.79 820.9 824.08 824.35 IS1005b C MIO076 2 824.4 842.816 824.76 842.816 Uh for this I'm not uh I I don't know the solution , but one solution can be something like putting uh p password or something inside the wave , so the only your T_V_ can understand it Yeah , identification code inside the 829.42 836.73 840.6 IS1005b A MIO055 0 838.336 842.24 838.36 842.21 Okay . A kind of identification , okay . 838.86 841.85 842.21 IS1005b B MIO077 1 840.966 874.432 841.33 874.4 Yeah f uh I know about this , since it's my it's exactly my field , so . It's uh kind of handshaking , uh , when starting to uh when you start to communicate with the your T_V_ then then it's like an handshaking protocol with your your remote . So so if two two devices are trying to go to communicate with the T_V_ set then the the the one which has the more energy in the wave is chosen . Well it can be a problem sometimes , but most of the time it works okay . 843.86 845.91 846.58 848.54 849.34 857.13 870.42 872.51 874.4 IS1005b A MIO055 0 842.868 843.47 842.95 843.47 So - IS1005b A MIO055 0 852.472 853.103 852.66 852.95 Yeah . 852.95 IS1005b A MIO055 0 854.768 855.384 854.92 855.384 So - IS1005b A MIO055 0 874.475 875.307 874.77 875.24 Okay . 875.24 IS1005b C MIO076 2 874.544 885.828 874.83 885.79 The password may simply uh or uh i identification code may simply solve this problem . A specific uh remote control has a specific f 881.35 IS1005b B MIO077 1 884.544 902.992 884.57 902.19 Yeah but we we don't have to think uh about this because I think as a function designer that we will use the already made uh circuits which we probably bu buy . It's worth to buy . And they have these problems solved so . So we don't have to think about these . 896.46 897.65 900.49 902.19 IS1005b A MIO055 0 896.747 897.521 897.21 897.4 Hmm . 897.4 IS1005b D MIE002 3 900.064 900.512 900.24 900.46 Okay . 900.46 IS1005b C MIO076 2 900.352 901.025 900.53 900.85 Mm . 900.85 IS1005b C MIO076 2 901.696 902.296 901.72 902.19 Mm-hmm . 902.19 IS1005b A MIO055 0 901.936 906.218 901.96 906.218 Okay . So , maybe you can talk about the function , and 902.92 903.44 905.25 IS1005b D MIE002 3 902.416 902.736 902.46 902.66 Okay . 902.66 IS1005b B MIO077 1 905.44 915.856 905.48 915.82 Yes . I have only a couple of things because I had I struggled a bit with the software that I'm supposed to use in this uh 907.25 IS1005b B MIO077 1 917.344 917.92 917.4 917.88 uh - IS1005b B MIO077 1 919.344 923.872 919.36 923.84 in this company . I was used to use Linux before , so . But I tried to 920.39 922.26 922.59 IS1005b B MIO077 1 925.168 929.867 925.2 929.38 tried to break through this too , I guess . 929.13 929.38 IS1005b B MIO077 1 935.088 936.256 935.15 936.19 Mm . Ah . 935.99 936.19 IS1005b A MIO055 0 935.034 935.868 935.22 935.65 Open . 935.65 IS1005b B MIO077 1 937.904 938.704 938.1 938.6 Okay . 938.6 IS1005b B MIO077 1 940.384 943.07 940.384 942.94 How to make it big ? 942.94 IS1005b A MIO055 0 944.144 945.096 944.16 944.74 Slide show . 944.74 IS1005b C MIO076 2 944.269 946.469 944.29 946.469 Five . 946.18 IS1005b B MIO077 1 945.712 947.248 945.73 947.248 Slide show . Okay , thanks . 946.07 946.49 947.08 IS1005b A MIO055 0 946.933 950.541 947.06 950.41 It should work , so you can . 947.93 950.41 IS1005b B MIO077 1 950.128 1005.152 950.2 1004.8 Okay . Oh so I will speak about working design . That's the first slide . Uh what uh I have to do ? A look at what the other company Okay so uh presently I am looking what is possible to use , what circuits to use and stuff like that because uh I didn't work uh with these uh circuits so far so I have to look what what is a v a v available on the market for for the communication for the I_R_ circuits and so on , so I'm currently looking what is available on the web . And uh I wanted to ask you m maybe afterwards , after after our discussion , if we have some contacts in some companies , so , which can report on what is going on there , so , I would be glad if you can tell me about them . So , you know . 951.67 955.74 957.69 960.08 968.35 984.05 988.25 992.46 993.91 996.47 997.29 999.38 1000.76 1004.1 1004.46 1004.8 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1001.072 1001.554 1001.19 1001.35 Mm . 1001.35 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1002.512 1002.864 1002.53 1002.83 Yeah . 1002.83 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1006.624 1060.224 1007.24 1060.17 Uh , okay findings , that's the point that I'm working on currently but uh so far I I was uh looking what what are the blue circuit , I mean radio wave radio frequency circuits are available now , but the prices I read are high . So , I know that uh the user interface people and these speak about radio frequency waves because you can you can uh you can make the T_V_ do what you want even if you are in the bathroom or so on , but you know , when you are not close to the T_V_ you probably won't need to to change the program and so on and so I am I am voting for s to stick to the um infra-red control instead of R_W_ but we will discuss it later maybe . 1008.25 1009.03 1018.87 1024.35 1027.48 1029.1 1043.48 1045.46 1060.17 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1021.968 1022.32 1022.01 1022.28 Mm-hmm . 1022.28 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1037.52 1038.472 1037.54 1038.33 Mm-hmm . 1038.33 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1041.419 1042.065 1041.58 1041.95 Hmm . 1041.95 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1061.44 1077.376 1062.29 1077.34 Uh . Components to use , I'm not exactly sure what I will use for the design of the circuit . It depends uh on whether we will use the L_C_D_ and mainly the speech recognition , because the speech rec Yeah ? 1063.74 1064.74 1068.51 1076.18 1077.34 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1077.536 1086.38 1077.56 1086.27 Are we um are we planning to take an off the shelf an O_E_M_ component for the radio wave circuit , or are we planning to construct our own circuit board ? 1083.95 1086.27 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1085.408 1092.944 1085.7 1092.91 No no no no no . This we this we buy I think , because it's rather cheap nowadays and it's not worth to construct ourselves . 1086.45 1088.13 1092.91 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1091.105 1092.055 1091.18 1092.0 Okay s - IS1005b D MIE002 3 1092.864 1095.664 1092.88 1095.63 So we just buy a circuit board and Okay . 1095.63 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1094.592 1095.408 1094.77 1095.37 Exactly . 1095.37 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1097.12 1103.792 1097.14 1103.76 But I'm not sure about the circuit which is responsible for speech recognition . This I prefer that we should make ourselves . 1100.79 1103.76 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1103.904 1104.272 1103.94 1104.23 Okay . 1104.23 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1104.816 1132.832 1104.84 1132.8 But it depends whether we take a decision to use it . Same thing . It's fairly expensive to use these circuits . So , speech recognition well , L_C_D_ it's okay because it's common nowadays to use L_C_D_ , so I agree on using any kind of L_C_D_ , less buttons good for me as a as a designer of the circuit . But the speech recognition we have to compare whether the price and the what does it offer , you know . 1108.82 1109.89 1112.69 1112.87 1114.2 1117.78 1120.54 1126.35 1132.5 1132.8 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1124.828 1125.731 1125.18 1125.41 Yeah . 1125.41 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1129.312 1129.648 1129.34 1129.5 Mm . 1129.5 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1131.232 1131.632 1131.25 1131.6 Yeah . 1131.6 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1132.752 1140.8 1132.77 1140.76 So what do you think would be the price , it would be out of range ? Or it would be maybe feasible ? 1136.57 1138.83 1140.76 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1134.8 1135.728 1135.29 1135.728 Yeah , I'm 1135.48 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1139.904 1194.164 1139.92 1194.02 Oh . I was not thinking too much about the price . But if we use the L_C_D_ uh even the radio frequency communication with the T_V_ set and the backlight and uh related things like the photo diodes and stuff , it should be okay . If we decide to use the speech recognition , then we probably could struggle but we'll see afterwards . It depends of you if if the M_E_ or U_I_D_ , I'm sorry about the names , I don't really know , uh want to have it like in metal or in plastic , these things , it it depends on you not Because the the the electronic device's price is not not so big in comparison to to the overall shape and stuff like that , so . We will discuss it afterwards . 1141.38 1144.35 1158.47 1160.6 1162.6 1167.18 1173.42 1174.54 1176.27 1179.54 1180.11 1190.89 1191.82 1194.02 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1166.912 1167.248 1166.93 1167.2 Okay . 1167.2 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1173.355 1173.93 1173.57 1173.83 Mm . 1173.83 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1191.136 1191.472 1191.18 1191.42 Okay . 1191.42 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1194.164 1219.2 1194.56 1219.09 Oh , this is nothing . This is just my notes on what to use . And uh my personal preference is yes , I would like also preferably to use R_W_ circuit , but from the point of view uh of the design and price , I would stick to I_R_s . That's my opinion . Uh I mean if infra-red uh circuit not not the radio frequency . 1194.88 1195.57 1200.31 1203.16 1207.63 1211.7 1213.34 1214.65 1219.09 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1219.184 1221.152 1219.2 1221.11 Why ? Because it's simpler ? 1219.52 1221.11 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1221.92 1234.846 1221.94 1234.51 Because because the the range where you can use it is fair . It's okay I think . And the price is fairly cheap for this . Well , depends . 1228.18 1230.27 1232.95 1233.79 1234.51 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1225.456 1225.776 1225.48 1225.74 Yeah . 1225.74 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1228.032 1228.256 1228.07 1228.22 Mm . 1228.22 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1231.952 1234.864 1231.97 1234.83 Okay . It's a a price matter . 1232.94 1234.83 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1235.661 1236.079 1235.75 1235.9 Yeah . 1235.9 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1236.432 1243.744 1236.45 1243.67 Jus just the price . Otherwise I don't care what I put there because it's the chip which I buy or which we buy . 1238.68 1243.67 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1238.064 1238.416 1238.1 1238.37 Mm . 1238.37 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1242.944 1243.296 1242.97 1243.26 Okay . 1243.26 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1245.248 1258.544 1245.39 1258.544 So I I I think it's o y o . Well , three to three to five . N not ten times , but it depends what what we 1251.97 1252.21 1254.96 1255.8 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1247.328 1253.707 1247.35 1253.707 What how much more expensive ? Are we talking three times more expensive ? Or ten times more expensive ? Or 1249.77 1251.8 1253.29 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1254.608 1255.311 1254.63 1255.05 Okay . 1255.05 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1256.6 1272.778 1256.68 1272.3 Yeah yeah . That's still a lot . I think it's it's probably not worth spending the extra money , because I mean all the other remote controls on the market have infra-red , so people don't expect anything other than infra-red . So it's not worth spending the extra money . 1258.77 1259.55 1263.45 1267.2 1270.97 1272.3 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1260.744 1261.51 1260.96 1261.13 Hmm . 1261.13 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1263.374 1264.247 1263.66 1264.14 Yeah . 1264.14 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1270.656 1273.353 1270.68 1273.353 Yeah . Well I , oh 1271.78 1273.12 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1271.104 1276.759 1271.12 1276.65 Yeah . Th they are used to use it when they can see the T_V_ so , I don't know . 1271.96 1275.68 1276.65 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1275.376 1275.664 1275.42 1275.63 Yeah . 1275.63 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1275.792 1280.544 1275.81 1280.51 On the other side , we want to have something new . You know , where 1276.92 1278.98 1280.06 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1279.808 1280.112 1279.84 1280.08 Yeah . 1280.08 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1281.68 1282.48 1281.7 1282.39 we want to - IS1005b A MIO055 0 1283.648 1289.184 1283.67 1288.94 to have something new and So we I think we should still thinking about it . But maybe . 1287.87 1288.94 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1288.144 1308.372 1288.27 1308.17 But I think , based on my usability studies I th I feel that users are prioritise the look and the feel and the trendiness above , you know , the difference between infra-red or radio waves . So I think we're better off spending money in the usability phase . 1289.3 1298.48 1299.64 1302.75 1308.17 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1295.6 1296.0 1295.62 1295.96 Okay . 1295.96 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1303.34 1310.272 1303.34 1310.272 You the user interface , and management man , uh 1306.28 1308.16 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1306.928 1307.28 1306.95 1307.24 Okay . 1307.24 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1307.256 1308.117 1307.51 1307.87 Mm . 1307.87 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1307.714 1308.27 1307.89 1308.2 Yeah . 1308.2 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1309.072 1309.84 1309.4 1309.63 Okay . 1309.63 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1311.76 1314.241 1311.78 1314.02 Uh okay , that's it for me . 1312.67 1314.02 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1314.928 1332.976 1315.51 1332.93 Okay , thank you Peter . So um I have to inform you I receive an email from the management bon board today and they have new requirements for the for the remote control . Um 1315.88 1320.99 1332.44 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1317.012 1317.833 1317.35 1317.78 'Kay . 1317.78 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1331.52 1331.712 1331.55 1331.66 Mm . 1331.66 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1334.208 1348.272 1334.23 1348.272 first um , they say that's uh about something about t teletext . Uh apparently it becomes from according to them it becomes out of date . Out-dated . And uh 1335.91 1339.97 1346.32 1347.42 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1349.584 1354.048 1349.6 1353.9 Because of the internet popularity and everybody has internet at home , and 1353.54 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1355.44 1357.807 1355.46 1357.63 actually it's not useful to have teletext . 1357.63 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1359.312 1360.416 1359.33 1359.79 Um . 1359.79 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1363.664 1370.128 1363.68 1370.09 So I think we can avoid the teletext . Um the second thing is uh 1367.45 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1371.184 1392.592 1371.26 1392.56 they suggest that that we should uh use the remote control only for T_V_ , not for D_V_D_ and other devices , because it make it it makes it's too complex and uh because we have not much time for this project we should stay on T_V_ on the only specific T_V_ remote control . 1377.04 1380.0 1392.56 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1392.912 1394.192 1392.99 1394.192 I agree . 1393.92 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1394.112 1413.792 1394.13 1413.65 The third the third one is uh about the the the image of the company . So um uh we should we should keep uh The the product should be recognisable . Uh , uh 1401.93 1412.0 1413.28 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1415.008 1425.344 1415.03 1425.31 It's That mean we should use the colour of our company and maybe put somewhere the s the slogan of the company , which is uh , we put fashion of in electronics . 1422.05 1423.08 1425.31 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1426.576 1435.888 1426.6 1435.72 So , when people see the the remote control , they should say oh it's from Real Reaction and he s they should recognise the company . 1427.96 1430.01 1435.72 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1438.576 1440.384 1438.6 1440.384 So , um 1439.72 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1444.096 1461.52 1444.12 1461.45 So now we we should take the decision what we are going to what function we will have on this uh on this remote control . So , mm , are we going to use L_C_D_ , speech recognition ? 1455.4 1456.5 1458.33 1460.46 1461.45 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1462.768 1464.368 1462.8 1464.31 Uh . 1464.31 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1464.576 1468.08 1464.6 1468.04 Well , should we start with just the core , the basic functions that we need . 1464.87 1466.81 1468.04 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1469.312 1471.92 1469.33 1471.89 And then we can move on to the more advanced features . 1471.89 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1469.208 1470.439 1469.52 1470.18 Yeah . 1470.18 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1470.054 1471.285 1470.21 1471.13 Mm . Yes . 1470.65 1471.13 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1470.956 1472.704 1471.06 1472.66 Maybe , maybe . 1472.32 1472.66 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1472.672 1486.64 1472.69 1486.48 Okay , so the available things are L_C_D_ , the buttons and everything . Uh radio frequency depends . And , well the recognition it depends on you guys . You should probably speak . 1472.92 1475.5 1477.76 1480.99 1481.9 1484.91 1486.48 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1484.009 1492.08 1484.11 1492.04 Yeah but first maybe what is what are the usual function of a standard remote control ? I mean 1491.68 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1492.0 1492.624 1492.37 1492.59 Okay . 1492.59 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1493.12 1494.0 1493.14 1494.0 what do - IS1005b D MIE002 3 1495.024 1501.456 1495.04 1501.456 Okay , well , I mean the obvious one is changing channels . 1495.42 1496.04 1500.66 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1496.016 1496.32 1496.04 1496.23 Yeah . 1496.23 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1497.824 1499.397 1497.84 1499.397 Yeah . 1499.17 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1498.206 1499.519 1498.47 1499.519 Yeah . 1499.15 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1507.344 1514.656 1507.36 1514.35 I think we should stick on very useful functions , because we want less button . So , yeah . 1510.56 1512.46 1513.4 1514.35 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1510.524 1511.22 1510.75 1511.04 Yeah . 1511.04 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1513.664 1514.32 1513.68 1514.27 Yeah , okay . 1514.0 1514.27 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1516.144 1520.32 1516.16 1520.28 So , turning channel , of course . Volume setting . 1516.38 1517.1 1518.52 1520.28 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1522.352 1535.28 1522.97 1535.21 Uh just one note to the chan channel changing . Do we will we use only two buttons , or or like numbered buttons ? I mean those nine plus one or two ? 1526.14 1530.07 1532.71 1535.21 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1533.553 1534.329 1533.85 1534.13 Yeah . 1534.13 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1535.168 1535.712 1535.19 1535.66 Mm-hmm . 1535.66 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1535.984 1538.208 1536.0 1538.208 I think it would be a b - IS1005b B MIO077 1 1538.128 1542.16 1538.16 1542.11 Because it's many buttons and we were speaking about lowering the number . 1542.11 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1542.089 1543.764 1542.23 1543.764 Mm . 1543.47 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1542.368 1551.488 1542.39 1551.488 Yeah . On the other side we have more and more channels , and if you want to pass through all the channels to get the channel you want , it's 1543.08 1546.07 1551.14 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1542.56 1543.12 1542.59 1543.12 Yeah , I 1542.89 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1547.6 1548.298 1547.77 1548.19 Yeah . 1548.19 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1551.68 1555.196 1551.7 1554.98 Okay so so we keep all these all these buttons . 1554.98 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1553.21 1556.126 1553.47 1556.01 Yeah yeah , at least nine , ten button . 1553.94 1554.94 1556.01 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1553.472 1557.712 1553.49 1557.68 Maybe maybe we could think of something more betweens , like 1557.42 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1558.832 1559.248 1558.86 1559.248 uh - IS1005b B MIO077 1 1558.944 1562.704 1558.96 1562.59 Like ten plus , five plus , one plus , one minus or something . 1560.0 1560.63 1561.38 1562.59 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1561.648 1564.859 1561.67 1564.66 Yeah . Maybe something like that . 1563.33 1564.66 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1563.712 1568.384 1563.73 1568.01 Or using the names and the keyboard I dunno . 1568.01 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1564.851 1568.768 1564.851 1568.768 Ah yeah . 1568.53 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1565.762 1569.104 1565.762 1569.06 Uh . 1569.06 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1568.243 1570.256 1568.78 1570.256 Or - IS1005b A MIO055 0 1571.328 1573.63 1571.35 1573.3 Maybe Oh I don't know . 1573.3 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1571.176 1573.304 1571.36 1572.97 Or something . 1572.97 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1574.121 1574.647 1574.14 1574.44 Oh . 1574.44 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1577.68 1587.283 1577.7 1587.283 Maybe we could have key buttons , like uh discovery channe like documentary channel , and movies channel and 1579.91 1584.7 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1586.704 1588.992 1586.72 1588.72 You mean like hierarchical structure . 1588.72 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1586.61 1587.328 1586.89 1587.2 Mm-hmm . 1587.2 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1587.283 1601.376 1587.37 1601.34 And inside this this thing you can move , maybe switch . If you want to see a movie you click on the movie button so you have all the movie channels and after you've you plus plus plus . I It just an idea . I don't know what you think about that but . 1590.58 1591.76 1598.98 1599.96 1601.34 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1588.976 1592.162 1589.0 1591.96 Okay . Like categorising channels . 1590.18 1591.96 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1596.416 1597.057 1596.44 1596.97 Mm-hmm . 1596.97 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1595.648 1598.624 1596.63 1598.58 Okay , so s Oh sorry . 1596.94 1598.58 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1598.657 1599.437 1598.89 1599.23 Okay . 1599.23 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1601.92 1605.552 1601.97 1605.552 So it requires the use of L_C_D_ probably , to to tell you 1604.73 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1604.516 1607.184 1605.4 1607.15 To have some feedback . Yeah . 1606.92 1607.15 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1605.472 1607.643 1605.49 1607.51 Yeah , probably , yeah , yeah . 1605.97 1606.39 1606.89 1607.51 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1606.544 1609.683 1606.57 1609.25 Okay , so I'll make a note on L_C_D_ . 1607.46 1609.25 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1606.824 1607.809 1606.89 1607.57 Mm-hmm . 1607.57 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1611.808 1625.824 1611.83 1625.75 We could maybe also c um incorporate Petre's idea of the um slider for the volume , with the channel . So we c you could quickly just through many channels . For the channels , perhaps . 1618.71 1619.81 1624.73 1625.39 1625.75 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1617.857 1618.76 1618.15 1618.56 Okay . 1618.56 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1619.298 1619.955 1619.56 1619.75 Okay . 1619.75 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1622.32 1626.288 1622.34 1626.24 Yeah . Like roller for the Yeah . Okay . 1623.25 1625.81 1626.24 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1641.751 1643.824 1641.751 1643.79 Anything else ? 1643.79 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1643.92 1646.336 1643.96 1646.29 So we've got channel and volume . Um . 1645.87 1646.29 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1645.968 1646.176 1645.99 1646.14 Yeah . 1646.14 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1646.544 1652.64 1646.56 1652.59 So we are still s speaking about the common devices or we are inviting the new one ? 1652.59 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1651.872 1656.304 1651.9 1656.27 I think so . I think basically the core functions we want , and then more advanced ones . 1652.46 1654.43 1656.27 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1652.425 1653.439 1652.89 1653.29 Yeah . 1653.29 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1657.168 1662.368 1657.19 1662.33 What about the settings of the T_V_ ? Because it's button we don't use very often , but 1658.73 1661.97 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1663.44 1665.857 1663.46 1665.857 it's we need it anyway . So 1665.25 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1664.976 1693.76 1665.0 1693.76 So uh we don't have any uh we don't have uh we should just design the remote control and we sh we don't have any access to the to the T_V_ design or we can change some design . Because one solution for this um uh uh ch changing channels is to see a summary of all channels , some some preview of all channels and then you can Yeah . Yeah b Not on the control , on the screen , on the T_V_ screen . And then 1676.78 1684.24 1689.24 1691.28 1692.06 1693.37 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1664.916 1665.786 1665.31 1665.72 Yeah . 1665.72 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1687.888 1691.36 1687.91 1691.32 On the screen , you mean ? Not on the control , but on the screen . 1688.51 1689.39 1690.58 1691.32 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1692.704 1694.944 1692.73 1694.9 Well , this would avoid L_C_D_ , then . 1693.15 1694.54 1694.9 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1693.248 1693.6 1693.27 1693.56 I don't - IS1005b D MIE002 3 1694.96 1704.176 1695.01 1704.14 Oh , I don't but I don't think we're we're the ones . I mean this remote control we're developing is a generic control for all T_V_s , I think . 1695.27 1697.78 1703.78 1704.14 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1701.856 1707.328 1701.88 1707.328 Yeah , yeah . I don't know if it's possible to to watch something on T_V_ 1703.01 1703.28 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1702.942 1703.773 1703.17 1703.61 Mm-hmm . 1703.61 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1703.744 1704.364 1703.77 1704.29 Oh . 1704.29 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1706.48 1720.739 1706.5 1720.67 W I I think it it would be better to to stick to the remote control and not to bother the T_V_ to to to print these things . Well it wi it will be still more expensive , but for the L_C_D_ and this stuff is no problem in the price . 1714.79 1717.21 1720.67 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1710.829 1711.413 1710.9 1711.28 Yeah . 1711.28 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1713.12 1713.392 1713.15 1713.36 Yeah . 1713.36 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1713.127 1713.906 1713.29 1713.72 Mm-hmm . 1713.72 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1719.696 1720.473 1719.74 1720.27 Mm-hmm . 1720.27 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1721.536 1721.872 1721.58 1721.82 Okay . 1721.82 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1721.488 1736.64 1722.65 1736.64 So , what are we doing with the settings ? Because settings if we want to do settings we need buttons for that and we want less buttons , so . Maybe with the L_C_D_ we can do something with less buttons , but 1722.87 1724.61 1730.19 1731.25 1735.94 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1733.888 1734.224 1733.92 1734.18 Yeah . 1734.18 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1737.216 1741.944 1737.24 1741.77 But then you don't want to make the L_C_D_ display too complicated at the same time . 1741.77 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1740.736 1743.072 1740.82 1743.072 Mm . 1742.59 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1741.408 1746.891 1741.408 1746.76 Two T_V_s . 1746.76 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1744.784 1755.948 1744.8 1755.74 I mean there's always we can always have these l less often used functions hidden somewhere , under a cover or at the back of under a slide or some 1751.93 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1752.448 1756.239 1752.47 1755.77 Yeah . Oh yeah . Oh , the . 1753.47 1754.76 1755.26 1755.77 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1753.904 1755.342 1753.92 1755.05 Like ma - IS1005b B MIO077 1 1755.744 1767.84 1755.76 1767.79 We we could have for example two buttons like simple mode and advanced mode . Or I dunno . Or like children and grandfather's mode , and the , well the the user 1759.39 1761.47 1764.91 1765.68 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1759.792 1762.08 1760.37 1762.04 Yeah . Yeah . 1761.85 1762.04 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1764.839 1765.661 1765.07 1765.59 Mm . 1765.59 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1769.024 1774.432 1769.1 1774.24 not the user , the man mana T_V_ manager mode . Ah , I dunno . 1770.58 1772.96 1773.57 1774.24 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1772.8 1773.2 1772.85 1773.17 Okay . 1773.17 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1773.088 1773.909 1773.27 1773.8 Mm-hmm . 1773.8 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1774.352 1776.752 1774.37 1776.72 So we have five minutes left . Um . 1776.25 1776.72 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1775.568 1777.264 1775.59 1776.55 Yeah . 1776.55 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1777.184 1777.888 1777.23 1777.81 Uh . 1777.81 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1777.984 1786.32 1778.53 1786.28 So I think s the settings we th we are agreeing are agreed that they're required . It's just how to a 1783.77 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1783.504 1783.776 1783.53 1783.74 Yeah . 1783.74 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1783.388 1784.291 1783.76 1784.06 Mm-hmm . 1784.06 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1783.706 1784.732 1783.96 1784.6 Yeah . 1784.6 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1785.117 1795.68 1785.117 1795.58 We should hide them somewhere . In the menus of the L_C_D_ or in the back of the remote control , or something like that . 1789.39 1794.49 1795.58 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1788.864 1790.099 1788.88 1790.05 Hide them , okay . 1789.26 1790.05 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1789.008 1789.216 1789.03 1789.18 Yeah . 1789.18 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1791.984 1792.368 1792.01 1792.33 Okay . 1792.33 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1794.912 1795.248 1795.11 1795.21 Yeah . 1795.21 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1796.432 1797.68 1796.45 1797.65 Uh , okay , what else ? 1796.82 1797.06 1797.65 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1801.683 1802.336 1801.93 1802.27 Um . 1802.27 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1806.512 1808.464 1806.53 1808.27 I mean a power button's obviously - IS1005b B MIO077 1 1806.536 1819.232 1806.536 1819.232 Yes . This I was thinking . Do we need a power button at all ? Should should shouldn't we do it like sleep mode after five minutes of not using it ? Because generally 1810.58 1811.63 1813.6 1818.04 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1809.728 1811.12 1810.37 1811.08 uh required . 1811.08 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1818.608 1828.368 1818.67 1828.33 It's it's a kind of setting , I think . It should fit in those settings functions . Because it's not a very current useful function . 1820.27 1820.77 1824.79 1828.33 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1821.12 1821.424 1821.16 1821.39 Mm . 1821.39 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1823.264 1824.075 1823.28 1824.02 Settings . 1824.02 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1828.848 1833.968 1828.88 1833.93 Uh , well I think when they say power button they mean to turn the T_V_ on and off . 1829.65 1833.93 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1834.096 1839.048 1834.12 1838.84 No , I think it's after after five minutes or something a timer I I think , no ? 1834.35 1838.52 1838.84 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1834.083 1834.795 1834.13 1834.62 Yes . 1834.62 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1836.32 1837.888 1836.49 1837.84 Well I I uh - IS1005b D MIE002 3 1838.24 1843.12 1838.26 1843.12 But if you're watching T_V_ for two hours , you don't want your T_V_ to turn off after five five minute 1840.38 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1841.584 1848.211 1841.6 1847.93 You don't need to every five minutes to keep it alive . Uh probably . Okay , so we should keep this button . 1845.15 1846.28 1846.79 1847.93 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1848.4 1858.496 1848.42 1858.43 I mean based on our usability studies again , um pe um people said that the power button was v a very relevant button . Um , you know , it was nine out of ten 1850.41 1856.35 1856.98 1857.23 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1848.539 1849.406 1848.74 1849.04 Yeah . 1849.04 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1854.152 1855.76 1854.54 1855.73 Oh okay , yeah . 1855.5 1855.73 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1856.224 1857.049 1856.26 1856.59 Mm-hmm . 1856.59 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1858.688 1876.432 1858.92 1876.38 Okay , so we we could p what we could probably do is to keep also to keep uh keep the L_C_D_ and all the buttons and stuff , we could make it like a opening opening style that if you open it you are you just turn on the T_V_ and if you close it , it will 1859.25 1867.24 1876.0 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1859.263 1860.336 1859.47 1860.3 re relevance . 1860.3 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1871.854 1872.455 1871.93 1872.16 Yeah . 1872.16 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1877.76 1878.144 1877.78 1878.01 Yeah . 1878.01 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1878.208 1880.672 1878.23 1880.672 turn off the T_V_ . If if you like this , 1879.34 1880.63 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1880.784 1881.296 1880.94 1881.26 Okay . 1881.26 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1881.812 1882.944 1882.14 1882.89 B Okay . 1882.89 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1883.824 1888.079 1883.86 1887.79 Because , well it's maybe question for you t 1884.74 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1885.248 1902.0 1885.27 1901.84 I think we need to concentrate on the , you know , the major usage of the th of the control , which is you sit down , you turn on your T_V_ , you change channels , you change the volume , you turn the T_V_ off . Um and all the other f functionality is 1887.38 1887.59 1890.28 1892.22 1893.38 1894.62 1895.84 1897.98 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1887.602 1888.746 1887.99 1888.52 Mm-hmm . 1888.52 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1890.038 1890.841 1890.23 1890.74 Yeah . 1890.74 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1897.248 1899.136 1897.27 1899.1 Yeah . So s yeah . 1898.25 1899.1 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1903.056 1914.713 1903.08 1914.5 Yeah , they can yeah they can be hide somewhere by a cover or something like this . Like covering cu . Yeah , like mobile phone covering . 1903.26 1908.97 1912.85 1913.06 1914.5 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1903.344 1904.82 1903.36 1904.77 not used very often . 1904.77 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1907.504 1907.776 1907.52 1907.74 Yeah . 1907.74 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1908.103 1909.006 1908.4 1908.69 Yeah . 1908.69 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1910.512 1911.536 1910.53 1911.536 On the back , or 1911.27 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1910.768 1912.672 1910.79 1912.672 Yeah . I mean like the 1911.87 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1913.744 1920.768 1913.76 1920.57 Yeah but since we have the L_C_D_ , we didn't need too much button too many buttons . 1916.51 1920.57 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1921.92 1931.168 1921.94 1931.168 Um , okay , just um the decision of the power button . Should we make it a button , or some some something which would be 1923.16 1923.87 1926.42 1928.15 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1931.808 1932.272 1931.83 1932.17 For what ? 1932.17 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1932.352 1934.576 1932.37 1934.48 Uh power button . 1934.48 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1932.752 1933.504 1932.77 1933.38 I think a button . 1933.38 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1933.632 1935.328 1933.65 1935.2 A button is better . 1935.2 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1934.976 1936.77 1935.0 1936.52 I think it should be a bu - IS1005b A MIO055 0 1935.216 1939.195 1935.32 1939.06 Ah oh yeah , yeah . Yeah a button , yeah I guess so . 1936.71 1937.48 1938.28 1939.06 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1935.6 1938.288 1935.62 1938.25 If it if it's a button or Okay . 1938.25 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1936.137 1936.782 1936.32 1936.75 Yeah . 1936.75 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1937.456 1939.056 1937.49 1939.02 Its own button on the front . 1939.02 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1938.976 1939.555 1939.01 1939.36 Mm . 1939.36 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1940.656 1946.88 1940.68 1946.84 Okay , one nice big button . Old fashioned button , to satisfy the grandmothers . 1941.02 1943.38 1945.46 1946.84 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1949.686 1950.256 1949.84 1950.21 Hmm . 1950.21 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1952.634 1953.578 1952.99 1953.29 Okay . 1953.29 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1954.656 1957.584 1954.68 1957.48 So , any other suggestions or functions ? 1955.02 1957.48 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1954.288 1955.072 1954.72 1954.96 Mm . 1954.96 IS1005b D MIE002 3 1954.643 1955.299 1954.86 1955.03 S - IS1005b D MIE002 3 1968.304 1973.232 1968.32 1973.05 What about things like the clock and um timers ? 1973.05 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1974.256 1976.144 1974.33 1976.1 Do we still have the time ? I I just wonder . 1975.3 1976.1 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1976.528 1979.568 1976.55 1979.53 Yeah , we have still one or two minutes to talk , yeah . 1976.81 1979.36 1979.53 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1978.336 1978.768 1978.36 1978.73 Okay . 1978.73 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1979.808 1982.72 1979.89 1982.69 Oh . Well what w what was the question ? 1980.83 1982.69 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1981.648 1982.586 1981.67 1982.586 Clock or - IS1005b D MIE002 3 1981.692 1989.088 1982.38 1989.088 Uh um , you know , some func some features on the control to display a time , or t to display 1983.57 1983.93 1987.59 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1987.696 1990.64 1987.72 1990.45 Usually it's already on T_V_ or something like that . 1990.45 IS1005b C MIO076 2 1990.08 1990.576 1990.11 1990.54 Yes . 1990.54 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1991.28 1996.096 1991.3 1996.06 Yeah but since we want to control all the televisions , 1996.06 IS1005b B MIO077 1 1997.2 2003.504 1997.22 2003.45 and and it would probably be worth to to set the timing on the remote , no ? 2003.13 2003.45 IS1005b A MIO055 0 1997.392 1997.76 1997.41 1997.73 Yeah . 1997.73 IS1005b B MIO077 1 2004.496 2012.459 2004.52 2012.37 Because if if the T_V_ turns on itself , it well you know , if the time The timer should be there . 2008.96 2010.53 2012.37 IS1005b C MIO076 2 2004.775 2005.432 2005.01 2005.35 Mm . 2005.35 IS1005b A MIO055 0 2006.857 2007.678 2007.21 2007.52 Yeah . 2007.52 IS1005b A MIO055 0 2009.36 2023.44 2009.38 2023.25 Yeah . If we if we add the time , we have to have maybe a bigger display or something like that , and is it very useful ? I mean , are users wants to have the time on the on the remote ? 2010.0 2012.03 2016.08 2017.71 2019.27 2023.25 IS1005b C MIO076 2 2024.032 2024.416 2024.06 2024.38 Mm . 2024.38 IS1005b A MIO055 0 2024.521 2026.703 2024.73 2026.52 This is the question . Is it useful ? 2025.91 2026.52 IS1005b D MIE002 3 2024.288 2028.768 2025.2 2028.6 Probably not . It's a questi yeah , it's a trade-off . 2026.59 2027.28 2028.6 IS1005b C MIO076 2 2026.193 2026.849 2026.34 2026.76 Yes . 2026.76 IS1005b A MIO055 0 2027.84 2035.616 2027.86 2035.58 W In my opinion we should have only useful thing and Because apparently they want The simpler it's is better . 2035.58 IS1005b D MIE002 3 2032.685 2033.362 2032.85 2033.26 'Kay . 2033.26 IS1005b B MIO077 1 2034.207 2034.992 2034.3 2034.8 Ah , yeah . 2034.71 2034.8 IS1005b D MIE002 3 2035.696 2036.73 2035.72 2036.55 Okay simple . 2036.55 IS1005b B MIO077 1 2036.112 2044.623 2036.27 2044.623 Did you did you ever use the like the timing of turning on the T_V_ , well And based on your 2042.27 IS1005b D MIE002 3 2043.536 2050.51 2043.56 2050.51 Very , yeah okay , very occasionally . But I do use the I do use the display of the time quite often , but 2044.14 2044.64 2045.49 2049.6 IS1005b C MIO076 2 2049.056 2049.36 2049.08 2049.33 Mm . 2049.33 IS1005b B MIO077 1 2049.632 2054.16 2049.65 2054.12 Yeah but it can be on the display in in a corner all the time on the remote . 2054.12 IS1005b D MIE002 3 2052.605 2053.212 2052.69 2053.05 Yeah . 2053.05 IS1005b D MIE002 3 2054.592 2059.332 2054.61 2059.03 Yeah that's okay , that's true . Okay , so no time button . Okay . 2055.27 2056.12 2056.39 2058.69 2059.03 IS1005b A MIO055 0 2057.232 2058.919 2057.25 2058.87 No time on . 2058.87 IS1005b C MIO076 2 2058.432 2064.208 2058.45 2064.15 And uh do we need to include anything about the speech recognition and the speech commands , or ? 2063.8 2064.15 IS1005b B MIO077 1 2062.953 2066.208 2063.56 2065.47 Yes yes . 2065.47 IS1005b A MIO055 0 2064.528 2065.598 2064.55 2065.598 I think - IS1005b C MIO076 2 2065.84 2092.982 2066.07 2092.8 I I thin I think it will not take lots of place , we just need a microphone and the software , so , and it sh and it will be a little bit new and interesting , so people may be attracted to buy this stuff and it's not very difficult to uh put a software inside the the electronic device and put a microphone . It doesn't take that much place and also that much It doesn't cost that much . 2069.47 2072.34 2073.18 2077.42 2088.08 2092.8 IS1005b A MIO055 0 2092.72 2093.04 2092.74 2093.0 Yeah . 2093.0 IS1005b B MIO077 1 2092.384 2099.653 2092.83 2099.57 Yeah but we we should be careful about the battery life , then . If we use the speech recognition . 2096.13 2097.33 2099.57 IS1005b A MIO055 0 2097.091 2113.052 2097.091 2112.59 So maybe we think we can think more about that , and discuss that maybe last time next time . And uh yeah , now the meeting room is busy . Somebody booked the meeting room just for at one P_M_ , and so we should leave . 2100.58 2104.17 2105.29 2106.79 2110.8 2112.59 IS1005b C MIO076 2 2102.288 2102.688 2102.36 2102.65 Mm-hmm . 2102.65 IS1005b B MIO077 1 2103.008 2103.952 2103.008 2103.92 Yeah . 2103.92 IS1005b A MIO055 0 2113.648 2114.144 2113.68 2114.05 Uh . 2114.05 IS1005b A MIO055 0 2116.472 2137.04 2116.83 2136.93 So , um . So now we are going for for a small lunch . It's uh funded by the company . And uh after we have uh thirteen minutes to to do indevel individual works . And uh I will do the minutes . And uh 2117.26 2118.43 2122.19 2125.07 2132.77 2135.94 IS1005b A MIO055 0 2138.496 2149.135 2138.54 2148.89 you are going to work on your individual works . And uh you will receive as usual your specific instruction and so on . Thank you everybody . 2142.23 2148.0 2148.89 IS1005b D MIE002 3 2147.344 2150.56 2147.38 2150.38 Okay , cool . Okay 2148.66 2149.34 IS1005b C MIO076 2 2151.296 2152.034 2151.37 2151.91 Thanks . 2151.91 IS1005b D MIE002 3 2152.064 2152.862 2152.09 2152.41 Thank you . 2152.41 IS1005c A MIO055 0 38.32 48.784 39.18 48.75 Hello , uh this meeting we are it's fo should be focused on the conceptual design of the remote control . 39.98 48.75 IS1005c D MIE002 3 39.561 40.816 40.04 40.52 Hello . 40.52 IS1005c B MIO077 1 41.168 41.978 41.21 41.74 Mm-hmm . 41.74 IS1005c C MIO076 2 40.972 41.694 41.52 41.66 Hello . 41.66 IS1005c A MIO055 0 49.808 70.848 49.83 70.81 Um the goal of this meeting is to reach a decision at the end on the concept and I think the last time we talked about an a lot and we had a rough idea of what is going to be , but uh in th at the end of this meeting we have to to reach a decision . 65.32 70.81 IS1005c A MIO055 0 72.0 72.976 72.05 72.84 So , uh 72.44 IS1005c A MIO055 0 74.016 83.776 74.04 83.74 we will have again three presentation , from all of you , and uh I hope it will be fast because I would like to have time to 76.59 78.64 IS1005c A MIO055 0 84.864 86.416 84.91 86.36 for long discussion and - IS1005c A MIO055 0 87.68 92.006 87.7 91.9 and decisions . So , who wants to start ? 89.65 90.82 91.9 IS1005c C MIO076 2 93.568 94.08 93.83 94.05 I s - IS1005c A MIO055 0 93.875 94.48 94.07 94.39 Okay . 94.39 IS1005c D MIE002 3 94.56 94.864 94.58 94.83 Okay . 94.83 IS1005c C MIO076 2 95.248 97.072 95.28 96.99 No , no , you you can start . 95.51 95.94 96.99 IS1005c D MIE002 3 97.072 100.992 97.09 100.56 Okay , I'll start . Can you open my presentation , please . 97.29 98.99 100.19 100.56 IS1005c A MIO055 0 97.024 98.688 97.15 98.62 So start , uh 98.29 IS1005c A MIO055 0 103.333 105.357 103.69 105.357 Uh . 105.13 IS1005c D MIE002 3 110.272 111.696 110.29 111.66 I'm number four . 111.66 IS1005c D MIE002 3 114.496 115.792 114.52 115.61 Trend . Yep . 115.25 115.61 IS1005c A MIO055 0 114.619 115.522 114.8 115.34 This one ? 115.34 IS1005c D MIE002 3 121.52 141.216 121.94 141.14 Can you pass the mouse , please . Oh okay , that's fine . Okay . Um so basically I just want to presented to you present to you some recent results we've had from um looking at uh um some remote control market research and some fashion trends around the world . Um 122.63 123.77 124.99 125.69 126.12 140.56 IS1005c A MIO055 0 123.976 125.33 124.38 125.21 Turn . 125.21 IS1005c D MIE002 3 142.976 195.36 143.0 195.33 the fashion trends we got from talking to our our contacts in the fashion industry based in Paris and Milan . Um so f from our market research basically we've come to the conclusion that a fancy look and feel , um as opposed to a functional look and feel , is our number one priority . Um fancy is is is is the , you know , highest priority . Secondly um that our remote control needs to be techn technologically innovative . Um so this is t number two priority but it's two times less important as the fancy criteria . Um and third thirdly the easiness of use is is the um is is important as well , but again two times less important as the technologically innovativeness of the remote control . 149.81 158.52 161.13 163.42 166.16 166.53 167.76 174.48 181.73 189.89 195.33 IS1005c A MIO055 0 164.648 165.104 164.87 165.07 Hmm . 165.07 IS1005c B MIO077 1 164.863 165.665 165.29 165.55 Hmm . 165.55 IS1005c D MIE002 3 199.649 226.928 199.649 226.87 From our f fashion people in Paris and Milan , um we've discovered that this year um fruit the fruit and vegetable motif will be the most important thing in in clothes , shoes and furniture . So , I'm pretty confident that our remote control fits into the furniture category . And also um the feel of material this year um is expected to be spongy . 204.52 212.22 213.5 215.94 220.37 226.87 IS1005c A MIO055 0 228.288 228.848 228.31 228.61 Okay . 228.61 IS1005c D MIE002 3 228.8 234.736 228.82 234.08 Um so hopefully our remote control reflects that s in some way . 234.08 IS1005c B MIO077 1 234.672 235.888 234.69 235.84 What does it mean , spongy ? 235.27 235.84 IS1005c D MIE002 3 235.808 276.128 236.4 276.07 Uh sort of um squishy . Um . Yeah soft , like a uh like a sponge . I don't know . Yeah . Um so in conclusion , we need a our remote control needs to be something that's really fancy , um has lots of technolog tech technology in it . Um somehow would be good to have it related to fruit and vegetables with a spongy feel . And that it's easy to use and from our last meeting our you know Fabian told us that w you know one of the requirements is that we have to reflect the look and feel of our of th the Real Reaction company . Um . 240.04 241.29 242.02 244.62 246.15 247.25 248.54 252.07 256.72 262.52 275.76 276.07 IS1005c B MIO077 1 240.432 242.069 240.45 241.75 Like soft , or something ? 241.06 241.75 IS1005c A MIO055 0 243.174 244.928 243.23 244.89 Like a sponge . Yeah . 244.77 244.89 IS1005c B MIO077 1 245.408 247.117 245.43 246.79 Okay . I will see . 246.17 246.79 IS1005c B MIO077 1 258.144 259.552 258.144 259.32 Okay . 259.32 IS1005c A MIO055 0 276.576 281.152 276.6 281.12 Yeah , uh yeah . Easy to use , is it uh 277.68 279.33 279.93 IS1005c D MIE002 3 277.424 278.576 277.424 278.54 That's it . 278.54 IS1005c A MIO055 0 281.745 287.936 281.92 287.9 a as much as important than technology or fancy thing . It's less important , right ? 286.84 287.7 287.9 IS1005c D MIE002 3 288.416 300.752 288.44 300.58 Less important . So um fanciness first and then two ti you know , half as important as that is technology technology , and half important as technology is easy to use . So . 289.13 294.3 296.65 300.48 300.58 IS1005c A MIO055 0 289.102 289.76 289.23 289.73 Yeah yeah . 289.73 IS1005c A MIO055 0 292.65 293.4 292.91 293.32 Okay . 293.32 IS1005c A MIO055 0 301.792 304.448 302.16 304.34 So , Hamed , can you . 302.86 303.1 304.34 IS1005c C MIO076 2 303.888 309.536 303.92 309.42 Yeah . The second one . Could you please show the presentation number three . 304.38 304.97 309.42 IS1005c A MIO055 0 305.456 305.968 305.49 305.92 Mm-hmm . 305.92 IS1005c B MIO077 1 311.008 315.584 311.07 315.4 I think the biggest struggle will be the easy to use feature . We'll see . 314.73 315.4 IS1005c A MIO055 0 314.192 319.056 314.192 319.02 Um . Number ? Three . 317.62 318.79 319.02 IS1005c C MIO076 2 314.976 315.472 315.01 315.4 Yeah . 315.4 IS1005c C MIO076 2 318.304 319.184 318.32 318.94 Three . 318.94 IS1005c A MIO055 0 322.288 322.72 322.31 322.69 This one ? 322.69 IS1005c C MIO076 2 325.328 325.744 325.35 325.71 Yes . 325.71 IS1005c C MIO076 2 330.688 335.248 330.688 335.21 Just Could you please check if it is the first one or the second . 335.21 IS1005c C MIO076 2 336.608 340.274 336.72 340.16 Uh , n n no , it's the first one . The second one . 337.85 338.18 339.35 340.16 IS1005c A MIO055 0 340.032 340.816 340.05 340.78 So it's not this one . 340.78 IS1005c C MIO076 2 340.851 341.616 341.18 341.58 Uh yeah . 341.58 IS1005c C MIO076 2 348.144 348.695 348.4 348.56 Okay . 348.56 IS1005c C MIO076 2 354.528 417.991 354.59 417.76 Okay . So I am going to talk about a little bit about how this remote control should be appear to be more easy to use . I think uh I think the feature easy to use is more important than being fancy , but okay , we can discuss about it uh later . Um generally , generally uh this remote control uh uh should be should be something , in my opinion , uh the first feature is just to be easy to use . So , the more frequent buttons should be larger , they should be placed in a good position uh uh inside the remote control . And uh s uh I can conclude like this , that we shouldn't need to learn how to use it . It should be we shouldn't need to es open a a t book and uh start reading and uh learning how to use this uh this uh remote control . 355.62 364.69 369.94 370.91 373.67 376.85 383.9 384.9 387.62 388.29 391.3 397.51 401.46 404.83 417.76 IS1005c C MIO076 2 417.991 472.64 417.991 472.14 Okay . So what I found out that uh as I said uh I think it's better to put uh more frequent uh uh uh ke uh buttons which are used more in the middle of the remote control , and they should be bigger in size . Uh the shape of remote control should be in a way which can which should be taken easily in hand . It should not be completely like uh a cube . It should be it should have round edge , so uh then it's easier . And maybe uh just like some toys , some joystick which is easier to take inside the hand . And uh also f uh uh m because because customers doesn't like to buy lots of battery , it should not uh consume lots of energy . 420.26 434.51 437.34 444.46 448.89 451.01 453.59 457.64 461.49 468.98 472.14 IS1005c B MIO077 1 451.094 452.367 451.5 452.23 Exactly . 452.23 IS1005c C MIO076 2 476.416 526.73 476.6 526.4 Okay . And my personal p uh preference is uh , as I said , uh just putting this buttons in a special places and covered some buttons which are not used uh that much like settings button , like mobile phone . Usually some mobile phone cover the dialling number part , so we can cover these buttons which are not used or uh number buttons for the for the for the can channels , and just put uh volume change or s ch can uh channel change buttons uh uh in the remote control . And if the user needed to do some more complex task uh he he can open the cover and then change settings or something like this . 477.71 481.61 482.54 492.86 494.06 498.83 507.24 517.05 526.4 IS1005c C MIO076 2 526.73 593.113 527.05 592.84 Uh . And also uh I think if we put some some some some some buttons inside of the remote control it can be used easier . Not on remote control . I dunno if I can explain well . But uh just inside . For example , a sliding or rolling uh uh d uh stuff , if we put it inside then we can easily manipulate with uh thumb . So it can be another uh preference . And uh I dunno but uh I think usage of a speech recogn uh r recogniser can be good . I know that it consumes lots of energy , but if we do it in some way that it asleeps when there is no sound and when it detects some sound it may consume less energy . And I think it's good because it's something new and usually young people like something new . So it may not be very useful but because it's new , people may buy it . 529.32 539.77 541.68 543.83 546.22 547.17 552.17 557.02 560.39 568.73 571.07 580.11 587.16 591.48 592.84 IS1005c C MIO076 2 593.113 606.0 593.52 605.96 Uh I personally think there should be a big difference between uh between something . Otherwise they prefer to buy something which is coming from a famous company , or . 600.44 605.76 605.96 IS1005c C MIO076 2 607.952 609.787 608.05 609.3 Okay . That's mine . 608.63 609.3 IS1005c A MIO055 0 610.72 613.204 610.74 613.204 Okay . 612.87 IS1005c B MIO077 1 611.696 626.257 611.78 625.82 Uh okay , so good news from me uh uh for me from Hamed , but bad news from Bob obviously , because spongy design , I don't like it as Okay , so could you please , Fabien , open it . 612.47 617.3 619.02 620.8 624.17 624.81 625.33 625.82 IS1005c A MIO055 0 625.696 626.832 625.89 626.42 Yeah . 626.42 IS1005c B MIO077 1 626.944 629.424 627.05 629.13 I'm person two . 629.13 IS1005c B MIO077 1 630.752 637.2 630.77 637.17 And which one , uh probably the first one . I'm not sure but check the first one . 631.97 634.55 637.17 IS1005c B MIO077 1 638.624 646.848 639.21 646.848 I Most of the things I have to write myself on the board , but Yeah , that's it . Just 644.76 646.02 646.62 IS1005c A MIO055 0 644.096 644.995 644.12 644.9 This one , yeah . 644.58 644.9 IS1005c B MIO077 1 649.264 697.28 649.28 697.02 It's only this slide ? Yeah . This this is just uh one thing I wanted to mention and show you that I just uh I just found this , that our company uh developed a s a seven f seven fingers or I'll just Yeah , seven seven inch T_ T_F_T_ screen , which is good news for us , since we wanted to include a display there . Uh so I I probably draw it down raw scheme . This is this is the stuff that I can use to Okay , so the this will be like the overall scheme or overall requirements from the engineering point of view . 651.22 652.01 660.76 668.58 671.32 672.79 676.14 684.39 688.53 697.02 IS1005c D MIE002 3 667.632 668.0 667.65 667.97 Inch . 667.97 IS1005c A MIO055 0 680.24 681.836 681.05 681.48 Oh , . 681.48 681.48 IS1005c A MIO055 0 685.713 686.657 686.01 686.38 Oops . 686.38 IS1005c B MIO077 1 697.28 714.8 697.98 714.77 Uh first thing is uh this will be the overall shape , no uh I'm not speaking about the real shape of the device , but the shape of the inside of the device . So there will be some circuit uh for the power . 702.44 707.08 710.61 714.77 IS1005c B MIO077 1 716.064 764.019 716.08 763.74 So , say power circuit here . Uh the main energy will be taken from batteries that we can uh uh And if we decide to use the speech recognition stuff there , we must use additional source of energy , which I found the best is to use the solar cells which can which can uh supply everything . I was computing all the all the things related to the speech recognition , and it's okay to use just uh two batteries and solar cells , so . So no problem . There can be also solar cell . Uh the main board with all the circuits will take at least seven to seven centimetres , so this is my like hard requirement for the guys from the design . So at least seven to seven . 716.19 718.0 729.47 732.53 740.1 743.19 745.92 746.24 747.58 749.78 756.29 762.24 763.74 IS1005c C MIO076 2 762.224 762.576 762.24 762.54 Mm-hmm . 762.54 IS1005c B MIO077 1 764.019 790.064 764.48 790.03 It depends where you put your screen , because the screen is uh seven inch , so it depends on you where where you put it . It doesn't matter . Um it's just one cord from from the main board to the screen which can be elsewhere . So this will be T_F_T_ . And on the main board we have the um interface to the microphone , which is somewhere , 767.15 768.98 771.19 772.36 778.46 782.85 789.16 790.03 IS1005c B MIO077 1 791.84 836.352 791.86 836.352 say here . Interface to the microphone . Then the graphical card uh for the T_F_T_ and the third unit is the I_R_ . The good news is that we can uh we decided to use the infra-red unit because our company has also developed the chip for communication by the infra-red , including all the stuff inside , so it will be very cheap for us . So infra-red here . So the once again the overall requirements , seven to seven centimetres for the board , which has to be which can be spongy but has to be this size , and the T_F_T_ which is seven inches . Um I have to check what I wanted to 793.35 795.21 802.06 813.59 814.88 816.98 819.04 822.27 824.49 829.38 833.45 IS1005c B MIO077 1 837.888 848.912 837.91 848.88 Uh from my point of view I don't care about the about the material used for the overall des uh ov all the device . 848.88 IS1005c A MIO055 0 849.312 863.152 849.33 863.12 Can you fit any uh for example a T_F_T_ or any electronic device in a spongy thing , or is there any problem for that ? For example , put electronic card on a spongy thing , I can I can imagine it could be a problem . 855.11 857.12 857.93 860.37 863.12 IS1005c B MIO077 1 863.28 884.032 863.34 883.99 A all these things in in uh in this box are okay to put in in any shape , basically . But we have to take care of the T_F_T_ . Well , sponginess . Maybe it a good feature , since it takes if it's around the T_F_T_ then it's good , because it's just keeps it safe , I dunno . 868.79 869.65 872.08 872.59 873.39 874.47 879.73 883.36 883.99 IS1005c A MIO055 0 869.936 870.546 869.96 870.33 Yep . 870.33 IS1005c A MIO055 0 878.4 879.89 878.42 879.89 Okay . So 879.29 IS1005c C MIO076 2 883.952 890.144 883.97 890.11 Well maybe it can have two shells , a hard shell inside and a spongy shell outside . 886.67 890.11 IS1005c D MIE002 3 884.432 884.784 884.45 884.75 So - IS1005c A MIO055 0 888.469 895.36 888.88 895.33 Okay . Maybe put electronic in a box and a spongy thing around . maybe after . 889.3 894.87 895.33 IS1005c B MIO077 1 894.784 900.832 894.8 900.8 Well , it's maybe related to the U_I_ . A Yeah , that's all from me . 895.57 899.16 900.05 900.8 IS1005c D MIE002 3 895.2 895.52 895.22 895.52 So - IS1005c A MIO055 0 896.308 897.006 896.53 896.77 Yeah . 896.77 IS1005c D MIE002 3 896.608 896.816 896.63 896.78 Ca - IS1005c D MIE002 3 898.112 899.632 898.13 899.632 Can I ask a question . 899.39 IS1005c D MIE002 3 900.816 904.848 900.85 904.75 This seven inch T_F_T_ screen , how big is it in reality ? 903.32 904.75 IS1005c B MIO077 1 902.752 903.296 902.97 903.25 Yeah ? 903.25 IS1005c B MIO077 1 905.456 907.088 905.48 907.05 Well , seven to seven inches . 905.77 907.05 IS1005c D MIE002 3 907.808 908.576 907.83 908.43 So like that . 908.43 IS1005c B MIO077 1 909.327 909.952 909.56 909.92 Yes . 909.92 IS1005c D MIE002 3 910.749 911.648 910.95 911.61 That's quite big . 911.61 IS1005c D MIE002 3 913.408 916.496 913.43 916.46 Uh uh have we decided that we're gonna use this T_F_T_ screen ? 916.46 IS1005c B MIO077 1 917.331 918.142 917.44 918.142 Yeah but - IS1005c A MIO055 0 916.432 930.496 917.52 930.27 No , I don't think it's seven by seven , I think it's seven the diagonal is seven . Usually when they say seven inch I think it's the diagonal . Yeah . I dunno I dun I dun One each . But , yeah , . 917.74 919.16 921.23 925.01 926.11 929.33 929.8 930.27 930.27 IS1005c B MIO077 1 919.472 921.187 919.49 921.187 To be honest , I was 920.16 IS1005c D MIE002 3 921.984 924.352 922.0 924.26 But I mean even even that is like this big . 924.26 IS1005c C MIO076 2 922.35 923.854 922.42 923.35 Yeah yes . 923.35 IS1005c B MIO077 1 930.432 937.76 930.45 937.72 Yeah , honestly speaking I was thinking that it was seven centimetres initially , but it's seven inches . But I I think we can we can cut it . 930.59 934.79 935.89 937.72 IS1005c D MIE002 3 933.818 934.619 934.0 934.52 Yeah . 934.52 IS1005c D MIE002 3 939.072 942.064 939.09 942.064 You can cut the T_F_T_ screen . 941.86 IS1005c A MIO055 0 939.6 944.928 939.6 944.928 Let's go . 944.88 IS1005c B MIO077 1 940.288 948.832 940.31 948.832 Yeah , no no problem , because because because then the size of the graphic card will be one fourth . So 940.78 941.49 948.19 IS1005c A MIO055 0 947.84 952.512 947.84 952.23 So let's cut the T_F_T_ . 952.23 IS1005c B MIO077 1 950.112 952.352 950.13 952.3 Yeah , but no problem to to me to cut the screen . 950.25 952.3 IS1005c C MIO076 2 952.401 952.991 952.55 952.75 Mm . 952.75 IS1005c D MIE002 3 952.8 953.744 952.82 953.744 Okay , so 953.27 IS1005c B MIO077 1 953.904 956.804 953.92 956.62 So so for the same price we have four screens now . 956.62 IS1005c A MIO055 0 955.472 956.896 955.52 956.56 Mm . 956.56 IS1005c D MIE002 3 957.152 957.52 957.17 957.45 Okay . 957.45 IS1005c A MIO055 0 957.888 959.424 958.01 959.39 These technical engineers , huh . 959.24 959.39 IS1005c D MIE002 3 959.792 961.376 959.81 961.22 So , what's the size of the device ? 960.0 961.22 IS1005c B MIO077 1 962.208 970.224 962.34 970.19 Ah well this is like this is almost nothing . Seven to seven to at least well some three millimetres or something . 966.96 970.19 IS1005c D MIE002 3 970.144 974.128 970.16 974.128 Even from my perspective seven t seven centimetres by seven centimetres is still - IS1005c B MIO077 1 975.632 979.776 975.8 979.74 Yeah , but we wanted the big buttons and stuff like that , you know . 976.09 979.34 979.74 IS1005c D MIE002 3 977.44 978.736 977.46 978.7 Is it Can you hold that , or ? 978.52 978.7 IS1005c B MIO077 1 980.912 985.2 980.94 985.14 Because if it's t too small we can we can lose it , at home , you know . 984.24 984.83 985.14 IS1005c A MIO055 0 985.552 995.11 985.57 994.82 What user wants . He wants a small remote control , or ? Uh uh with big buttons . It's difficult . A sm 986.62 989.49 989.52 992.12 994.03 IS1005c C MIO076 2 989.152 990.343 989.33 990.05 Uh . 990.05 IS1005c D MIE002 3 989.44 991.923 989.46 991.66 Yeah , a small c control that they can hold in hand . 989.68 991.66 IS1005c B MIO077 1 989.478 992.528 989.83 992.49 I thought that it it should fit in the hand or something . 992.49 IS1005c C MIO076 2 991.952 992.498 991.97 992.43 Yes . 992.43 IS1005c D MIE002 3 994.112 997.2 994.13 997.0 But is something that's seven centimetres square e easy to hold ? 997.0 IS1005c B MIO077 1 998.016 1013.655 998.08 1013.655 W I I think so . I if the roller buttons are on the side you don't have to catch it like that , but just like this , and you know follow follow Well , that's that's no task for me , but well seven to seven at least yeah , but 999.79 1003.86 1004.93 1008.34 1010.34 1013.27 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1010.959 1017.04 1010.959 1016.81 So maybe you can finish your presentation , and afterwards we will discuss about all this . 1013.43 1016.81 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1014.864 1016.158 1014.92 1015.89 Maybe this . 1015.89 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1014.8 1019.68 1015.1 1019.61 Oh , okay . Okay thanks . 1015.59 1017.37 1019.61 IS1005c D MIE002 3 1015.44 1015.76 1015.46 1015.73 Okay . 1015.73 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1018.192 1021.136 1018.22 1021.136 That's it . Okay . So . 1018.78 1020.18 1020.8 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1025.395 1027.94 1025.395 1027.71 No . 1027.71 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1032.912 1071.206 1032.97 1071.12 Uh , so I think we have a lot We have to take decision today , so I think we have to do some work to finalise our idea and take decisions . Uh first I think energy it's a key problem because uh it depend what can we have as feature if we use only batteries , for example , or something like that . Because can we have L_C_D_ and speech recognition with battery , and it's also r related to the size of the of the devi of the device ? 1033.65 1036.44 1044.13 1057.0 1057.73 1059.04 1063.52 1071.12 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1064.448 1064.768 1064.47 1064.768 Not - IS1005c B MIO077 1 1070.192 1085.424 1070.21 1085.39 J uh just a point to the energy th things . If we use the batteries , and the additional so solar cell , then it's okay for L_ uh speech recognition and L_C_D_ , so no problem in energy , I think . 1073.86 1076.24 1079.44 1083.75 1084.98 1085.39 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1083.712 1086.048 1083.73 1086.01 Okay . So Okay . 1084.78 1086.01 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1086.464 1089.648 1086.48 1089.56 But we have to use the solar cell . Otherwise not . 1089.01 1089.56 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1086.358 1087.415 1086.53 1087.415 So but - IS1005c A MIO055 0 1088.905 1098.393 1089.04 1098.39 Uh like but using how many batteries , for example ? Are are what Maybe what is the size of the battery 1092.66 1093.56 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1097.488 1100.272 1097.51 1100.24 Yeah I was thinking just common A_A_ cells . 1100.24 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1101.376 1103.757 1101.4 1103.757 Okay . Uh one two 1101.78 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1101.584 1105.696 1101.96 1105.65 So like three to five centimetres , I dunno exactly , but . 1104.5 1105.44 1105.65 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1104.912 1105.216 1104.96 1105.18 Okay . 1105.18 IS1005c D MIE002 3 1106.976 1112.8 1107.02 1112.74 So if we use s solar cells , um where is the sun if someone's watching T_V_ inside ? 1109.51 1112.74 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1109.494 1110.052 1109.61 1110.02 S - IS1005c B MIO077 1 1111.92 1116.832 1111.94 1116.67 Uh d doesn't need to be sun . It it's just the daylight , you know . 1114.04 1116.23 1116.67 IS1005c D MIE002 3 1116.672 1118.295 1116.672 1118.15 Okay . 1118.15 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1117.344 1119.376 1117.74 1119.376 The television lights . 1119.05 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1117.84 1128.224 1117.86 1128.19 Yeah well I I suppose that I suppose that uh that this remote control won't be in the in the room like this , where there is light only when when there are people , but . 1124.73 1127.98 1128.19 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1126.8 1127.152 1126.82 1127.12 Mm-hmm . 1127.12 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1128.16 1134.992 1128.18 1134.61 At least when there is T_V_ you can get light from the T_V_ . I dunno . 1134.06 1134.61 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1130.592 1134.192 1130.95 1134.13 Yeah from the T_ I don't think it's enough , uh . 1133.91 1134.13 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1131.751 1132.487 1131.88 1132.31 Yeah . 1132.31 IS1005c D MIE002 3 1134.784 1135.184 1134.8 1135.13 Okay . 1135.13 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1136.88 1138.192 1136.9 1138.15 Okay . Mm . 1137.86 1138.15 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1139.728 1142.096 1139.75 1141.91 Ah it's a it's a compromise , no ? 1141.5 1141.91 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1144.544 1150.45 1144.59 1150.28 At least it's new and maybe technology New technology . Yeah . 1150.01 1150.28 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1148.4 1153.851 1148.42 1153.62 Yeah , that's why I wanted to to include the speech recognition , because you wanted all the new things . 1148.61 1151.17 1153.62 IS1005c D MIE002 3 1148.21 1150.279 1148.64 1150.24 It's it's quite innovative , yes . 1149.91 1150.24 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1150.691 1151.243 1150.82 1151.18 Hmm . 1151.18 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1151.584 1152.144 1151.6 1151.91 Um . 1151.91 IS1005c D MIE002 3 1152.88 1157.728 1152.9 1157.728 And if you watch T_V_ outside it's very useful . 1157.45 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1156.07 1179.517 1156.26 1179.44 So I think before talking about the other thing , it's important thing it's the case . Uh what what are gonna be the size , because its weight drives the other what we are going to use as features and so on . For example for the for the L_C_D_ , if we choose to have a small device , we cannot use this um a such a a a screen . 1159.63 1162.61 1164.7 1169.06 1171.53 1174.59 1179.44 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1178.553 1182.16 1178.72 1182.12 Uh the s the screen is okay , but the board , uh that's the problem . 1180.02 1180.74 1182.12 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1183.68 1188.816 1184.39 1188.7 Well what what would you guess as a shape ? Or what what would be the shape ? 1187.22 1188.7 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1187.552 1188.08 1187.57 1188.02 Mm . 1188.02 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1189.328 1252.262 1189.35 1252.21 I think I think their being uh large or small is not important . The only important thing is to be able to take it in uh inside hand easily . So let's say an average size , okay , and it should not be very heavy also . And I prefer to is it shouldn't have a uniform shape , so in the middle it should be a little bit thinner , maybe maybe . So we c it's like like some joysticks . You can take uh some some joystick you can take inside hand easier because it's it's designed for your f uh taking into account your finger shape and your palm shape . So the general shape should be like this . I think uh seven centimetre by seven centimetre is a little bit large . So uh seven not seven but let's say five by ten it's I think it's that's my opinion . It's easier . 1194.37 1199.63 1202.63 1203.09 1206.26 1210.73 1214.19 1215.74 1218.92 1231.52 1234.7 1240.49 1251.52 1252.21 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1200.57 1201.193 1200.94 1200.99 Mm . 1200.99 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1241.407 1242.351 1241.67 1242.12 Okay . 1242.12 IS1005c D MIE002 3 1251.312 1252.432 1251.33 1252.4 Which is the same area . 1252.4 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1253.296 1254.591 1253.296 1254.39 Okay . 1254.39 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1253.552 1255.408 1253.61 1255.408 Yeah . 1255.25 IS1005c D MIE002 3 1253.856 1256.208 1253.88 1255.97 Could you re could you redesign your board ? 1255.97 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1256.512 1259.195 1256.55 1259.195 Five to ten . Well that 1258.32 IS1005c D MIE002 3 1257.829 1260.56 1258.12 1260.52 Oh , five five centimetres by ten centimetres . 1258.3 1260.52 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1260.48 1294.672 1260.5 1294.59 Yeah , right . Yeah , I think it's feasib Well one um um How could we do it ? We could put the board next to , well , under the L_C_D_ and for example make the L_C_D_ be totally unrelated to the thing that you hold in your hand . Like holding something , and the L_C_D_ to be just on top of it , you know somehow . Well But maybe let's stick to the s spongy thing , like one unit . Well fi five to ten it would be feasible . 1260.82 1263.8 1263.93 1270.22 1271.97 1272.75 1281.19 1282.55 1286.16 1287.31 1291.26 1292.63 1294.59 IS1005c D MIE002 3 1261.696 1262.032 1261.77 1261.91 Yeah . 1261.91 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1274.768 1275.399 1274.81 1275.23 Mm-hmm . 1275.23 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1288.624 1288.912 1288.64 1288.88 Oh . 1288.88 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1291.936 1298.323 1292.28 1298.25 I've I s I think the easiest thing would be to to have a smaller L_C_D_ , if it's possible . 1297.44 1298.25 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1297.824 1298.304 1297.86 1298.24 Mm . 1298.24 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1300.346 1305.373 1300.52 1305.26 Okay , so five to ten , I I think it's it's feasible . I'll make it . 1300.99 1302.3 1304.52 1305.26 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1303.408 1306.432 1303.43 1306.34 Okay . So we are agree with a small 1304.31 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1306.119 1328.72 1306.119 1328.67 Or uh or I don't know but I don't want to now invent something new , because we didn't discuss about it . So using some L_C_D_s we can touch , so we can remove uh keys and just uh having uh , I dunno the name , L_C_D_ responding to fingers . Touching the screen . Something like Mm like tactile . 1311.82 1313.59 1316.08 1320.88 1322.63 1325.29 1326.78 1328.67 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1306.896 1308.352 1307.15 1308.32 Fo Five by ten . 1308.32 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1306.912 1308.847 1307.33 1308.847 L_C_D_ . 1308.34 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1324.992 1325.344 1325.02 1325.31 Yeah . 1325.31 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1326.98 1329.392 1327.02 1329.36 Tactile or something , yeah . Touch screen , yeah . 1328.28 1328.65 1329.24 1329.36 IS1005c D MIE002 3 1327.137 1328.352 1327.34 1328.32 Mm , touch screen . 1327.84 1328.32 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1330.32 1339.664 1330.35 1339.664 So But for now if we don't want to use such kind of screens I I think we using a a smaller screen is better , because 1338.97 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1334.431 1335.046 1334.72 1334.97 Yeah . 1334.97 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1340.08 1345.312 1340.1 1345.25 The problem is we have a limit in a month of time , so we cannot do something very new . 1343.27 1345.25 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1344.192 1344.64 1344.22 1344.6 Mm-hmm . 1344.6 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1346.656 1348.752 1346.68 1348.72 So let's go for a small L_C_D_ . 1348.72 IS1005c D MIE002 3 1346.454 1347.264 1346.78 1347.264 So - IS1005c B MIO077 1 1347.28 1347.632 1347.3 1347.6 Okay , so 1347.46 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1348.672 1356.864 1348.69 1356.74 Yeah , so so just just give me the the the five by ten numbers that you find the best and send it me and I will work it out . 1348.85 1356.74 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1348.553 1349.751 1348.92 1349.55 A smaller s - IS1005c A MIO055 0 1353.529 1354.988 1353.66 1354.77 Yeah okay . 1354.77 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1355.037 1355.813 1355.19 1355.57 Okay . 1355.57 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1355.61 1357.327 1355.94 1357.15 So , five by s ten . 1356.15 1357.15 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1358.976 1359.36 1359.01 1359.31 Hmm . 1359.31 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1366.288 1389.264 1366.31 1389.2 Um so what about , so the case we talked about . Um something easy to use , you said something easy to use but how does that fit in a fashion way , like with fruit and vegetable , and about the colour and logo of the of the company and so on , now , can we do that ? 1368.28 1371.39 1374.24 1378.84 1381.05 1387.77 1388.46 1389.2 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1392.4 1394.304 1392.42 1394.24 My first idea is because - IS1005c A MIO055 0 1395.36 1405.072 1395.38 1405.072 our colour is more yellow , and the it should be easy to take in a hand , I thought about banana , or something like that , which is fruits , and 1397.15 1400.03 1401.85 1402.99 1404.26 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1405.072 1407.422 1405.17 1407.2 Seven to ten banana . 1407.2 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1406.72 1410.0 1406.72 1410.0 A big banana . 1409.65 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1408.752 1412.89 1409.04 1412.73 Okay . Rather mango or something or . 1410.59 1412.73 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1411.942 1412.976 1412.22 1412.976 Um . 1412.86 IS1005c D MIE002 3 1412.32 1421.952 1412.34 1421.88 Well it's it's definitely the obvious choice , with the colour of our company . I mean what other what other fruit and vegetables Do you know of any any other fruit and vegetables that are yellow ? 1414.87 1416.64 1421.88 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1415.696 1421.061 1415.72 1421.061 Yeah . Yeah . But it's just an idea . I dunno what you think about , but 1417.04 1417.67 1418.93 1420.78 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1421.872 1422.288 1421.89 1422.17 Yeah . 1422.17 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1424.0 1428.289 1424.02 1428.2 I dunno if it can fit with the technology . You are the specialists of that . 1426.01 1428.2 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1428.848 1430.288 1428.9 1429.79 You mean banana . 1429.79 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1432.326 1434.48 1432.36 1434.48 Well , but 1433.82 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1436.176 1439.808 1436.27 1439.77 If it's If it If the banana is big enough . 1439.77 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1440.384 1444.816 1440.384 1444.816 So - IS1005c B MIO077 1 1441.648 1443.616 1441.67 1443.616 Then , yes . 1442.15 1443.14 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1444.38 1448.528 1444.51 1448.528 But if you want to look at the screen , no . Well 1446.37 1446.93 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1450.3 1451.104 1450.53 1451.07 Yeah , and 1450.82 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1451.776 1454.294 1451.8 1454.294 I think this is not good . 1454.25 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1452.544 1461.559 1452.64 1461.48 The screen has to be square ? Or it can be like a a shape , quite , uh with curves . 1455.51 1459.18 1460.06 1461.48 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1458.402 1473.04 1458.402 1472.99 Well , it can be whatever you want . But if it's square then we get four screens out of one by cutting just . But if you want some shape then we can only get like two screens out of seven to seven inches , so . 1460.47 1462.42 1467.24 1472.8 1472.99 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1462.462 1464.022 1462.67 1464.022 It could . 1463.45 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1469.552 1469.888 1469.57 1469.84 Yeah . 1469.84 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1472.512 1472.816 1472.58 1472.78 Mm . 1472.78 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1474.048 1481.792 1474.07 1481.61 It's like more more expensive to have shape like that . But I don't care . You know , if we fit this requirement . 1477.58 1479.37 1479.64 1481.61 IS1005c D MIE002 3 1480.176 1480.672 1480.2 1480.672 Well - IS1005c D MIE002 3 1483.248 1489.824 1483.27 1489.79 I'd like a shaped screen . I think that's more important than saving a bit of money on on the T_F_T_ screen . 1484.4 1489.79 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1485.794 1486.711 1486.28 1486.711 Okay - IS1005c A MIO055 0 1485.816 1487.548 1486.3 1487.32 Okay okay . 1487.32 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1488.224 1488.688 1488.26 1488.64 Mm . 1488.64 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1489.648 1496.549 1489.67 1496.549 Yeah , m maybe the banana could be like a bit uh fatter than than the c c common one . But 1489.76 1495.68 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1494.544 1504.48 1494.58 1504.45 Yeah . Yeah , it should remember banana , but it's not doesn't have to b to be uh uh really the size and exactly the shape of a banana . 1495.27 1495.49 1496.94 1504.45 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1499.152 1501.28 1499.17 1501.25 Like modified banana , okay . 1500.9 1501.25 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1506.365 1509.114 1506.98 1509.08 Well it we'll stick to banana , or ? 1509.05 1509.08 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1507.312 1510.432 1507.33 1510.4 So we are agree with the banana thing ? Okay . 1510.16 1510.4 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1509.088 1509.847 1509.11 1509.57 Okay . 1509.57 IS1005c D MIE002 3 1509.536 1511.736 1509.57 1511.41 Yeah , banana's good . Okay . 1509.8 1511.22 1511.41 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1510.624 1511.12 1510.7 1511.08 Okay . 1511.08 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1513.424 1514.0 1513.49 1513.84 Mm-mm . 1513.84 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1516.0 1525.616 1518.07 1525.56 So , the last point we decided it's infra-red , I guess . Everybody's agreed . 1519.67 1522.31 1524.76 1525.56 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1524.032 1526.151 1524.05 1525.91 Yeah , I think infra-red . 1524.62 1525.91 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1524.502 1525.719 1524.63 1525.37 Yeah , yeah . 1525.15 1525.37 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1526.052 1526.864 1526.27 1526.66 Sure . 1526.66 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1528.045 1550.944 1528.28 1550.91 Uh , so that's it I think about the concepts . You have other thing to add to this point , or uh no ? So , uh about the user interface , so we are going to use L_C_D_ . In the last meeting we talked about uh hidden buttons . 1529.83 1532.28 1536.24 1540.05 1540.97 1543.75 1546.52 1550.91 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1552.0 1557.712 1552.02 1557.712 I don't know what we are going to do with that . You talked about the buttons on the side 1554.8 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1554.704 1557.719 1554.9 1557.719 Like like peeling of the banana you s - IS1005c C MIO076 2 1556.768 1558.32 1556.79 1558.28 Yeah , peeling of the banana . 1557.16 1558.28 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1558.816 1565.552 1558.89 1565.46 It would be cool , yeah . Peeling of the banana , you know , should should discover the other buttons , which are hidden . 1559.73 1560.93 1561.98 1562.32 1564.9 1565.46 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1558.896 1560.454 1558.92 1560.3 Mm what ? 1560.3 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1561.988 1562.626 1562.1 1562.54 Yeah . 1562.54 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1562.336 1566.016 1562.336 1565.98 Yeah . 1565.98 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1564.528 1564.944 1564.55 1564.91 Mm . 1564.91 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1567.408 1584.48 1567.43 1584.43 Okay . And you mean the first layer would be spongy . So Is it is it possible to do that ? It would be a great idea , but is it possible technically ? 1568.49 1574.49 1580.41 1581.45 1584.43 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1571.728 1573.92 1571.75 1573.92 Yeah . 1573.82 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1572.432 1579.072 1572.432 1579.0 First layer obviously spo Yeah , w It's it's like silly , but the people will really appreciate it , yeah I think . 1574.29 1576.31 1578.48 1579.0 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1586.085 1589.877 1586.19 1589.877 Uh - IS1005c A MIO055 0 1586.592 1591.392 1586.9 1591.22 Like doing a spongy layer of the banana , and you open it . 1590.36 1591.22 IS1005c D MIE002 3 1589.6 1601.008 1589.62 1601.008 I think if we if we have a spongy layer on the outside of the banana then it's easy to make that , you know , to manipulate that to hav be a cover that you can pull off and 1595.56 1596.01 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1592.96 1593.152 1592.98 1593.12 Yeah . 1593.12 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1596.273 1597.091 1596.32 1596.92 Mm-hmm . 1596.92 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1597.136 1597.408 1597.16 1597.37 Yeah . 1597.37 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1598.384 1599.344 1598.42 1599.344 Yeah , some 1598.8 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1598.392 1598.846 1598.43 1598.57 Yeah . 1598.57 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1601.168 1631.744 1601.31 1631.744 Something like a plastic cover covering uh some interface , U_S_B_ interface as in the in uh digital camera . If you see it's like peeling . You open a plastic cover and you see some U_S_B_ interfaces , some some interfaces for adaptor . So keys can be uh buttons can be covered like this , with a plastic cover and uh when uh and when you open this cover it's like peeling a banana . So , something like this . 1605.96 1610.67 1612.44 1617.4 1619.66 1623.61 1629.16 1630.37 1631.35 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1632.752 1634.272 1632.77 1634.23 Yeah , but do you see that as a 1632.96 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1635.36 1641.472 1635.39 1641.44 rigid thing , or like like a banana , something very soft , you can open like banana , or . 1636.56 1638.47 1639.69 1641.24 1641.44 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1642.32 1644.624 1642.45 1644.55 Well is it possible to make it soft ? 1644.55 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1644.608 1648.832 1644.68 1648.832 Yeah , yeah , yeah it's a lic like a plastic cover , so . 1645.1 1645.43 1647.48 1648.62 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1645.376 1645.712 1645.4 1645.55 Yeah . 1645.55 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1647.638 1650.384 1647.9 1650.35 So I think if it's so then it's cool ? 1650.35 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1648.752 1655.254 1648.77 1655.08 So , I dunno what you think , Bob , but it would be great for users I think , and very good for marketing . 1649.66 1650.66 1650.9 1653.34 1655.08 IS1005c D MIE002 3 1653.728 1656.144 1653.75 1656.05 I think for sure . Definitely . The softer the better . 1654.79 1655.3 1656.05 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1656.464 1659.152 1656.48 1659.152 Yeah . 1658.95 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1656.736 1659.168 1656.736 1659.01 Cool . 1659.01 IS1005c D MIE002 3 1659.536 1659.936 1659.65 1659.77 Yeah . 1659.77 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1662.651 1668.768 1662.83 1668.768 Honestly speaking , I cannot imagine it , so far , but it will be terrible . 1663.6 1664.73 1665.27 1668.66 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1665.632 1666.816 1665.632 1666.7 Yeah . 1666.7 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1668.064 1670.768 1668.064 1670.73 Um . 1670.73 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1672.976 1673.28 1673.06 1673.22 Mm . 1673.22 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1673.2 1674.512 1673.22 1674.48 And setting buttons - IS1005c A MIO055 0 1676.576 1677.296 1676.71 1677.09 hidden in . 1677.09 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1694.768 1700.272 1697.02 1700.24 Mm , other remarks , or something , or . 1697.85 1699.24 1700.07 1700.24 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1701.76 1704.784 1701.93 1704.75 Something we didn't talk about yes yet , or . 1704.57 1704.75 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1707.36 1708.256 1707.39 1707.91 I think - IS1005c A MIO055 0 1709.584 1716.8 1709.6 1716.68 we are almost there . Uh maybe , how can we , if we have a soft thing , 1712.53 1713.48 1715.32 1716.68 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1718.032 1725.2 1718.12 1725.17 like this , and to open it we have to attach it somewhere , I dunno how to do that technically , or . 1718.92 1723.09 1724.98 1725.17 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1726.72 1727.2 1726.75 1727.15 Mm-hmm . 1727.15 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1727.152 1728.544 1727.17 1728.544 And how - IS1005c B MIO077 1 1727.228 1728.861 1727.8 1728.73 Pof . 1728.73 IS1005c D MIE002 3 1728.512 1729.552 1728.54 1729.48 We could use Velcro . 1729.48 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1729.789 1731.39 1730.14 1731.23 Yeah , maybe . 1730.68 1731.23 IS1005c D MIE002 3 1730.864 1733.216 1730.88 1733.16 Or uh ma maybe a magnetic - IS1005c C MIO076 2 1733.84 1735.536 1733.86 1735.5 Yes , yeah it's a good idea . 1734.3 1735.5 IS1005c D MIE002 3 1736.208 1736.512 1736.23 1736.44 thing . 1736.44 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1736.736 1738.044 1736.77 1737.94 Magnetic . 1737.94 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1736.666 1740.005 1736.94 1739.87 Ma magnetic oh . 1739.87 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1739.024 1760.64 1739.06 1760.59 Mm . Yeah or a Yeah it can is it can be a plastic cover uh sticking to the to the all the stuff like uh with magnetic p uh magnetic uh magnetic uh materials in the border , so it's it sticks like refrigerator door , completely . 1739.58 1755.54 1759.95 1760.59 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1761.248 1762.073 1761.28 1761.77 Okay . 1761.77 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1761.632 1776.304 1761.65 1776.24 And when you try to open it , it will be opened easily . So you you can be sure that it will not be open while you're uh while while uh you are commonly using uh buttons on the banana . 1763.48 1765.28 1776.24 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1775.664 1776.407 1775.69 1776.33 Okay . 1776.33 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1786.816 1790.592 1786.84 1790.56 And what would be the matter here of the first layer I mean ? 1790.56 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1791.952 1793.278 1791.98 1793.19 Mm . Likes . 1792.74 1793.19 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1794.896 1796.336 1794.92 1796.336 Soft plastic , or 1795.95 IS1005c D MIE002 3 1796.736 1800.368 1796.77 1800.33 Yeah , I imagine some sort of vinyl thing . 1797.03 1800.33 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1799.776 1801.232 1799.8 1801.16 Yeah , yeah , yeah . 1800.39 1800.99 1801.16 IS1005c D MIE002 3 1801.472 1806.224 1801.52 1805.96 In a in a sort of a with a suede sort of feel . 1805.96 IS1005c D MIE002 3 1807.28 1807.696 1807.3 1807.66 Maybe . 1807.66 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1807.808 1818.896 1807.83 1818.86 Well since since the since the things like the like the screen and um how to say that , solar cell has to be has to be like kept 1814.75 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1820.496 1829.648 1820.52 1829.648 kept in the shape , we cannot b uh So we need that the that the peeling 1821.62 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1831.088 1831.504 1831.22 1831.43 uh - IS1005c B MIO077 1 1832.944 1852.56 1832.96 1852.44 I dunno but we should we should take care of these two two things . So , if if uh the solar cell won't be visible while the banana is closed , then the material must be able to put the light inside , you know . So that we can reach the energy out of it out of that . 1837.52 1838.04 1843.3 1848.79 1849.98 1852.44 IS1005c D MIE002 3 1852.992 1861.024 1854.32 1860.95 Mm . So you're saying is it possible to have a solar cell and this removable cover and 1855.02 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1854.64 1854.96 1854.66 1854.91 Mm . 1854.91 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1860.24 1862.752 1860.26 1862.752 It is possible , but , well if it 1861.35 1861.93 IS1005c D MIE002 3 1862.48 1864.112 1862.5 1863.93 And a and a banana . 1863.93 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1864.144 1864.672 1864.19 1864.64 Mm . 1864.64 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1864.592 1880.816 1864.61 1880.78 I dunno . I dunno how to how to do it if if t if to if it's better to put the solar cell to the t to the peeling or outside it , or or inside . But then it must be some window there , you know . 1865.98 1875.42 1876.81 1880.39 1880.78 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1874.328 1875.477 1874.84 1874.98 Hmm . 1874.98 IS1005c D MIE002 3 1875.28 1875.488 1875.32 1875.45 Yeah . 1875.45 IS1005c D MIE002 3 1880.262 1880.743 1880.34 1880.64 Okay . 1880.64 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1880.8 1881.216 1880.84 1881.18 Mm . 1881.18 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1882.928 1889.04 1882.95 1889.0 And something we forgot , maybe , uh about the speech recognition system , are we going to use it , or not ? 1884.29 1884.81 1886.98 1888.04 1889.0 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1890.263 1892.961 1890.35 1892.87 Yes , I think . I think so . 1890.88 1891.94 1892.87 IS1005c D MIE002 3 1891.68 1897.774 1891.7 1897.774 I think it's important . I think One of our p priorities is tech technology . And 1892.49 1897.14 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1892.009 1912.272 1892.26 1912.22 It i Yeah , it seems feasible , and it would be something very great . So we have the de design , the a good shape , new and so on , and we have also the technology thing w will be . And even the easy to use thing , so it will be perfect . So we add also the speech recognition device . 1893.26 1894.61 1897.21 1899.24 1901.23 1902.21 1905.07 1907.57 1909.58 1912.22 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1896.976 1897.216 1897.02 1897.18 Mm . 1897.18 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1901.029 1901.776 1901.19 1901.65 Mm-hmm . 1901.65 IS1005c D MIE002 3 1904.832 1905.168 1904.87 1905.13 Mm-hmm . 1905.13 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1905.248 1905.44 1905.27 1905.39 Mm . 1905.39 IS1005c C MIO076 2 1908.208 1908.544 1908.39 1908.49 Mm . 1908.49 IS1005c D MIE002 3 1909.547 1910.323 1909.79 1910.07 Yeah . 1910.07 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1910.374 1910.95 1910.61 1910.79 Yeah . 1910.79 IS1005c B MIO077 1 1912.295 1913.16 1912.32 1912.87 I agree . 1912.87 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1921.6 1928.512 1921.94 1928.48 So , that great . We have decided everything . And think we are on a good way . 1922.25 1923.34 1924.73 1928.48 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1930.304 1931.552 1930.34 1931.24 So , um 1930.8 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1933.392 1937.28 1933.41 1937.25 uh the next meeting will start in thirty minutes . 1937.25 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1938.592 1966.336 1938.61 1966.29 Um , so uh the the Industrial Manager uh will uh will work on the look and feel design . The User Interface uh uh Mana uh Manager will work on the user interface device . And the the Marketing Expert will do the first project evaluation . 1939.63 1950.35 1961.17 1966.29 IS1005c D MIE002 3 1966.752 1967.12 1966.8 1967.08 Okay . 1967.08 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1968.0 1975.424 1968.02 1975.39 So , I hope you can do that in thirty minutes . And uh , yeah , I 1968.41 1973.07 1974.84 1975.21 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1976.624 1986.544 1976.68 1986.5 uh I think you should work together , s you uh Hamed and Peter , to work uh in a in a first prototype , and uh 1978.82 1982.53 1985.83 IS1005c A MIO055 0 1987.952 2004.17 1987.97 2003.95 more about the shape and so on and how you can manage to put everything together . And um as usual you will receive some specific instructions on . So thank you all everybody , and see you in thirty minutes . 1994.81 1999.15 2002.19 2003.95 IS1005c B MIO077 1 2000.832 2001.168 2000.89 2001.13 Okay . 2001.13 IS1005c D MIE002 3 2004.256 2005.392 2004.28 2005.36 Okay . Thank you . 2005.09 2005.36 IS1005c B MIO077 1 2005.168 2005.504 2005.2 2005.47 Okay . 2005.47 IS1005c C MIO076 2 2006.384 2006.928 2006.4 2006.82 Thank you . 2006.82 IS1006a B MIO040 1 19.527 20.167 19.68 19.93 Oops . 19.93 IS1006a A FIO041 0 20.995 42.312 21.23 42.19 So , hello everyone . We're here to have a kick-off meeting for the design of a f for the beginning of new project um uh remote control for the design for a new remote control . I'm the Project Manager Christa Pavlov and okay let's begin . 21.87 22.95 36.12 42.19 IS1006a A FIO041 0 45.4 46.208 45.4 46.17 So - IS1006a A FIO041 0 47.92 70.848 47.98 70.81 I'm first going to do an opening then we get used to one anothers and we speak about this tool we're going to design and try to make a project plan , some discussion and then we talk of uh the next meeting . 66.67 70.81 IS1006a A FIO041 0 73.664 83.632 73.68 83.43 So um we want to to do a new remote control . It has to be original , trendy and user friendly . 79.67 81.16 83.43 IS1006a A FIO041 0 86.832 98.992 86.85 98.96 Um I think the important points we have to t talk about are uh it's functional design , it's conceptual design , and desail detailed design . 94.13 95.66 98.96 IS1006a A FIO041 0 100.08 108.96 100.08 108.89 and for that we're going um all to work individually and then have meeting during the whole day . 108.89 IS1006a A FIO041 0 111.52 125.113 111.62 125.06 Um , so let's try the whiteboard . Um so any of you who want to go . 112.94 120.42 125.06 IS1006a D MIO008 3 116.568 119.04 116.568 119.04 Wow . 118.68 IS1006a B MIO040 1 124.464 136.272 124.48 135.98 Yeah , for favourite animals . It's gonna be not my favourite one but the one I can draw . And it's gonna be you'll try to guess . 124.94 128.04 133.41 135.98 IS1006a D MIO008 3 137.104 138.352 137.15 138.352 Wow . 138.31 IS1006a D MIO008 3 145.856 148.688 145.856 148.65 Complex . 148.65 IS1006a A FIO041 0 146.773 150.527 146.83 150.527 Wow . 150.35 IS1006a D MIO008 3 150.896 151.392 150.94 151.35 Huh ? 151.35 IS1006a D MIO008 3 153.152 153.632 153.17 153.47 A cat . 153.47 IS1006a C MIO078 2 154.473 156.094 154.56 156.094 No . 155.96 IS1006a B MIO040 1 155.748 158.751 155.79 158.751 No . 158.3 IS1006a D MIO008 3 156.108 158.208 156.19 158.208 No . Darn . 157.01 158.0 IS1006a D MIO008 3 159.424 159.808 159.51 159.72 Uh . 159.72 IS1006a A FIO041 0 160.064 160.624 160.08 160.49 A rabbit . 160.49 IS1006a B MIO040 1 161.088 164.416 161.11 164.31 Yes , that's a rabbit . That's my favourite one . 161.7 163.42 164.31 IS1006a D MIO008 3 163.28 163.796 163.3 163.76 A what ? 163.76 IS1006a A FIO041 0 163.697 165.195 163.697 165.07 A rabbit . 165.07 IS1006a D MIO008 3 164.621 172.64 164.64 172.6 A r a rabbit , oh oh yeah , where is the carrot ? Okay mm-hmm . 165.86 167.93 170.29 172.6 IS1006a C MIO078 2 164.912 165.512 165.01 165.41 Rabbit . 165.41 IS1006a B MIO040 1 169.386 172.836 169.386 172.71 That's it . 172.71 IS1006a A FIO041 0 173.088 174.254 173.42 174.18 You want to go ? 174.18 IS1006a D MIO008 3 174.654 183.36 174.79 183.36 I am not very good at uh this kind of stuff . My favourite animal is 179.62 IS1006a B MIO040 1 175.807 178.893 175.9 178.893 Hmm . 178.33 IS1006a C MIO078 2 185.024 187.92 185.024 187.46 You wa - IS1006a B MIO040 1 185.864 193.622 186.19 193.622 Wow . 193.58 IS1006a A FIO041 0 188.422 191.863 188.52 191.78 A human ah . 191.78 IS1006a D MIO008 3 189.151 206.052 189.3 206.052 Guess . A human , yay . It's a very complex animal and um yeah . Characteristics of this this animal is dangerous . 191.19 191.81 193.98 200.27 205.78 IS1006a B MIO040 1 196.896 198.016 196.92 197.61 No . 197.61 IS1006a A FIO041 0 208.0 210.432 208.04 210.4 Mm I think you're supposed to , yeah . 210.17 210.4 IS1006a C MIO078 2 208.816 211.745 208.85 211.66 Is the white okay . 211.66 IS1006a A FIO041 0 225.12 225.489 225.14 225.36 Hmm . 225.36 IS1006a C MIO078 2 225.904 232.284 226.1 232.284 I guess you can . 232.11 IS1006a B MIO040 1 228.416 229.92 228.44 229.81 Wow . That's cobra . 229.16 229.81 IS1006a D MIO008 3 230.164 237.585 230.36 237.585 Ah , a kind of uh snake ? Cobra ? Exactly . 230.64 233.02 234.23 236.97 IS1006a C MIO078 2 234.124 238.64 234.4 238.64 Yeah uh not really . Small cobra . 235.81 238.47 IS1006a B MIO040 1 236.608 238.48 236.72 238.34 No , it just small cobra , yeah . 236.97 238.06 238.34 IS1006a D MIO008 3 238.432 239.728 238.45 239.728 Uh-huh . 239.49 IS1006a A FIO041 0 238.689 241.504 238.689 241.504 Is that a worm ? Or 240.76 IS1006a B MIO040 1 239.761 244.368 239.78 244.368 It's co c quite recognisable . 244.32 IS1006a D MIO008 3 245.49 250.0 245.69 250.0 What about you uh Christa ? 249.95 IS1006a A FIO041 0 246.294 254.142 246.294 253.91 Uh yeah Christa Pavlov Mm . 253.91 IS1006a C MIO078 2 249.485 251.404 249.52 251.404 Chris . 251.17 IS1006a B MIO040 1 249.936 252.123 249.96 251.83 Christa Christa . 251.83 IS1006a D MIO008 3 259.504 260.944 259.52 260.944 A fish . 260.59 IS1006a C MIO078 2 261.296 261.648 261.34 261.6 Mm . 261.6 IS1006a B MIO040 1 261.904 262.853 261.92 262.78 Hmm . 262.78 IS1006a A FIO041 0 262.29 266.016 262.43 265.66 Smiling fish . 265.66 IS1006a C MIO078 2 262.937 265.663 262.96 265.663 Smile fish . 265.52 IS1006a B MIO040 1 263.576 268.88 263.576 268.66 Okay . 268.66 IS1006a D MIO008 3 263.578 274.205 263.75 274.205 A smiling fish . Mm-hmm . So , w whiteboard is working ? Good . Next . 267.37 268.41 268.83 271.35 272.74 273.82 IS1006a A FIO041 0 267.904 268.32 267.97 268.23 Mm-hmm . 268.23 IS1006a C MIO078 2 270.432 273.089 270.45 273.089 Yeah . 272.69 IS1006a A FIO041 0 270.426 276.112 270.47 276.08 Yeah . Next . Let's talk about money . 273.87 274.82 276.08 IS1006a B MIO040 1 274.048 286.896 274.84 286.83 Just tr try to guess who is a User Interface Designer . According to the drawings . Okay . 279.57 286.26 286.83 IS1006a D MIO008 3 277.872 281.21 277.872 281.21 Yeah , well . 279.39 281.06 IS1006a C MIO078 2 280.912 287.1 280.912 287.1 Yeah , you're 286.29 IS1006a D MIO008 3 282.416 285.429 282.8 285.429 Not me . 285.36 IS1006a A FIO041 0 287.662 289.404 287.662 289.22 So . 289.22 IS1006a D MIO008 3 287.808 293.086 287.85 292.6 So . Twenty five Euro for a remote control . 289.27 292.6 IS1006a A FIO041 0 291.312 303.824 291.73 303.66 Yeah , mm that's the price we want to that's the aim for the price for the remote control . We aim to do this profit . 292.77 299.46 303.66 IS1006a C MIO078 2 293.689 294.068 293.86 294.03 Hmm . 294.03 IS1006a D MIO008 3 295.568 296.0 295.61 295.93 Okay . 295.93 IS1006a D MIO008 3 304.659 308.872 304.659 308.81 'tis big number . 308.81 IS1006a B MIO040 1 305.062 309.296 305.062 309.19 On the international market . 309.19 IS1006a A FIO041 0 307.648 309.856 307.648 309.81 Yeah . Mm-hmm . 309.28 309.81 IS1006a C MIO078 2 309.256 311.436 309.39 311.34 Yeah , we're to sell two million then . 309.78 311.34 IS1006a B MIO040 1 311.728 312.24 311.75 312.19 Wow . 312.19 IS1006a D MIO008 3 312.976 313.456 313.18 313.42 Mm-hmm . 313.42 IS1006a A FIO041 0 313.68 321.6 313.73 321.05 Mm for a production cost of mm twelve fifty Euros maximum . 321.05 IS1006a A FIO041 0 322.381 323.829 322.381 323.69 'Kay . 323.69 IS1006a A FIO041 0 327.184 331.776 327.2 331.776 So any of you have experience in remote controls ? 331.54 IS1006a D MIO008 3 331.232 347.728 332.11 347.728 Uh yes , we have plenty at home . In fact , my daughter likes l remote controls . To eat ? Yeah , mainly , and to break . 333.0 336.15 336.43 340.77 341.27 342.54 343.43 347.33 IS1006a C MIO078 2 332.128 332.936 332.36 332.87 Mm yeah . 332.87 IS1006a A FIO041 0 338.507 340.216 338.507 340.216 That - IS1006a B MIO040 1 338.968 343.418 339.2 343.418 Mm . To eat ? 339.85 343.16 IS1006a A FIO041 0 344.48 351.904 344.48 351.87 So that could be a great um application . Remote controls children proof . Mm mm-hmm . 348.8 351.15 351.87 IS1006a D MIO008 3 350.944 352.928 350.97 352.89 Mm-hmm . Yeah . Ye ye yeah . 351.33 351.93 352.89 IS1006a B MIO040 1 351.884 353.111 352.08 353.02 Children proof . 353.02 IS1006a B MIO040 1 353.76 354.422 353.97 354.22 Hmm . 354.22 IS1006a D MIO008 3 354.488 361.6 354.52 361.48 So she likes uh buttons which make click , so it has to click . 359.2 361.48 IS1006a A FIO041 0 356.723 357.568 356.723 357.53 Okay . 357.53 IS1006a C MIO078 2 356.661 357.663 356.83 357.54 Yeah , pret 357.3 IS1006a A FIO041 0 361.673 369.696 361.76 369.696 So they have to be waterproof maybe ? 'Cause they eat she ate it . 365.83 368.92 IS1006a D MIO008 3 364.24 380.048 364.26 380.048 It has to be uh wha baby proof yeah but mainly it has to be very robust because even if she's not very tall she's uh high enough so that uh when she throw it away it's uh - IS1006a A FIO041 0 372.08 372.604 372.1 372.31 Mm-hmm . 372.31 IS1006a C MIO078 2 372.573 372.876 372.59 372.72 Yeah . 372.72 IS1006a C MIO078 2 380.064 380.56 380.064 380.4 Ah . 380.4 IS1006a D MIO008 3 381.056 382.656 381.08 382.62 So it has to be very robust . 382.62 IS1006a B MIO040 1 382.608 383.952 382.63 383.9 Okay , unbreakable . 383.24 383.9 IS1006a D MIO008 3 384.095 385.312 384.32 385.28 Unbreakable , yeah . 385.06 385.28 IS1006a B MIO040 1 384.992 385.577 385.01 385.41 Uh-huh . 385.41 IS1006a C MIO078 2 384.965 388.16 385.37 388.12 Yeah , we have some child lock or something , yeah . 385.83 387.91 388.12 IS1006a D MIO008 3 388.464 388.896 388.59 388.85 Mm-hmm . 388.85 IS1006a A FIO041 0 389.36 389.68 389.39 389.64 Mm-hmm . 389.64 IS1006a D MIO008 3 390.288 390.912 390.31 390.86 And uh - IS1006a D MIO008 3 392.0 395.952 392.0 395.9 it has to be nice looking , 395.9 IS1006a C MIO078 2 396.39 396.946 396.51 396.81 Yeah . 396.81 IS1006a D MIO008 3 396.992 398.224 397.04 398.224 colourful , maybe 397.82 IS1006a A FIO041 0 397.664 399.49 397.76 399.43 Colourful , yeah mm . 398.58 399.43 IS1006a B MIO040 1 398.48 400.192 398.5 400.11 Colourful ? That's not practical . 399.28 400.11 IS1006a D MIO008 3 399.52 410.234 399.54 410.15 colourful , because uh nobody has colourful remote control , they're always black , yeah , but this one could be I dunno , purple or b 400.11 402.94 403.8 404.32 407.47 IS1006a C MIO078 2 400.197 400.669 400.26 400.52 Yeah . 400.52 IS1006a A FIO041 0 401.792 403.097 401.83 403.06 No , that's a good idea . 402.09 403.06 IS1006a C MIO078 2 402.08 404.598 402.1 404.43 Yeah , it's always black or yeah . 402.37 404.43 IS1006a A FIO041 0 403.949 404.768 404.01 404.5 Mm mm-mm . 404.5 IS1006a B MIO040 1 404.0 404.624 404.04 404.59 No . 404.59 IS1006a B MIO040 1 408.096 413.168 408.12 413.168 But how gonna okay , just uh but it's uh monochrome it's n it's not like 409.89 IS1006a A FIO041 0 408.315 409.232 408.44 409.232 Yeah . 409.18 IS1006a C MIO078 2 411.984 412.39 412.0 412.19 Yeah . 412.19 IS1006a D MIO008 3 412.594 413.584 412.66 413.53 Yeah , yeah . 413.2 413.53 IS1006a A FIO041 0 413.408 416.178 413.53 416.08 No , because you think , why not . 414.1 415.68 416.08 IS1006a C MIO078 2 413.484 414.031 413.55 413.96 Yeah . 413.96 IS1006a D MIO008 3 415.248 415.744 415.27 415.71 One colour . 415.71 IS1006a B MIO040 1 415.521 417.296 415.68 417.22 Otherwise you will never find it . 417.22 IS1006a C MIO078 2 416.766 417.254 416.87 417.05 Yeah . 417.05 IS1006a D MIO008 3 417.552 418.527 417.57 418.47 Yeah , yeah . 418.1 418.47 IS1006a C MIO078 2 418.08 427.6 418.1 427.6 Yeah even we can change colours , no ? Like the uh like the phones and these things we c yeah . At least for children like one colour and . 419.48 419.61 424.09 427.36 IS1006a D MIO008 3 420.496 423.824 420.52 423.79 Oh like the phones , yeah , it could change colours , yeah . 421.94 422.26 423.65 423.79 IS1006a B MIO040 1 422.35 423.074 422.49 422.98 Cool . 422.98 IS1006a A FIO041 0 423.44 424.091 423.48 423.93 Mm-hmm . 423.93 IS1006a B MIO040 1 424.934 425.447 425.1 425.38 Ch - IS1006a D MIO008 3 426.0 427.231 426.02 427.231 Yeah . 427.1 IS1006a D MIO008 3 428.448 428.704 428.47 428.67 Good . 428.67 IS1006a A FIO041 0 428.896 429.536 428.94 429.49 Good idea . 429.49 IS1006a C MIO078 2 430.016 433.36 430.04 433.22 And it should be really small and . 433.22 IS1006a A FIO041 0 433.648 435.312 433.67 435.312 Small also ? Don't you think 434.64 IS1006a C MIO078 2 434.784 438.122 434.81 437.76 Huh not so big like yeah . 437.76 IS1006a A FIO041 0 437.232 440.564 437.31 440.49 No uh , not too much buttons or mm . 438.34 440.49 IS1006a C MIO078 2 439.76 441.28 439.79 441.28 Yeah , not too much buttons and 440.01 IS1006a D MIO008 3 441.798 461.456 441.798 461.456 Should it be , y you know these uh remote controls where um they are what they call a universal ret remote control so y you can decide that now it's the remote control for the television , then it's the remote control for the the sound system , or for your refrigerator whatever I dunno if it's 442.83 452.16 455.71 IS1006a A FIO041 0 448.432 449.088 448.47 448.88 Mm-hmm . 448.88 IS1006a C MIO078 2 454.4 454.72 454.45 454.63 Uh . 454.63 IS1006a C MIO078 2 455.612 456.193 455.82 456.1 Yeah . 456.1 IS1006a A FIO041 0 457.904 461.214 457.904 461.214 Yeah , that's 460.71 IS1006a D MIO008 3 462.43 466.08 462.74 466.05 Or if we should have a targeted re remote control . 466.05 IS1006a A FIO041 0 466.256 467.648 466.28 467.02 Okay . 467.02 IS1006a D MIO008 3 467.319 477.036 467.319 477.036 So colour , robustness , easy to use , size , yeah , size matters , yeah . 470.24 471.14 471.88 472.53 472.81 474.15 476.5 IS1006a A FIO041 0 468.864 470.798 469.16 470.798 So , I think there's 469.81 IS1006a C MIO078 2 474.128 477.095 474.15 476.73 Yeah . Colour , size , sh 475.2 475.69 476.07 IS1006a A FIO041 0 475.782 478.0 475.92 477.96 So you you think it's better if small - IS1006a A FIO041 0 479.488 480.304 479.53 480.27 than bigger . 480.27 IS1006a C MIO078 2 480.624 484.815 480.74 484.815 Yeah , maybe at least n not bigger than this I guess . 481.03 484.38 IS1006a D MIO008 3 480.823 481.395 480.89 481.13 Mm . 481.13 IS1006a B MIO040 1 483.76 488.994 483.78 488.95 Yeah , but without any extremes like n not of this size , not too large . Okay . 484.01 487.09 488.02 488.95 IS1006a A FIO041 0 486.848 488.615 486.88 488.34 No , not too small , yeah . 487.14 488.2 488.34 IS1006a C MIO078 2 487.088 491.92 487.11 491.71 Yeah yeah , at least it should hold in your hand n properly , like . 488.25 491.19 491.71 IS1006a D MIO008 3 488.176 488.784 488.2 488.66 Yeah . 488.66 IS1006a A FIO041 0 491.874 492.556 492.1 492.21 Hmm . 492.21 IS1006a B MIO040 1 492.16 493.632 492.18 493.42 Yeah , like a palm sized . 492.4 493.42 IS1006a C MIO078 2 493.296 495.134 493.32 495.134 Yeah . 494.96 IS1006a D MIO008 3 493.86 494.533 493.99 494.44 Mm . 494.44 IS1006a B MIO040 1 494.085 495.165 494.26 495.1 Just to hold it . 495.1 IS1006a A FIO041 0 495.81 496.547 496.1 496.38 Okay . 496.38 IS1006a D MIO008 3 498.0 504.391 498.65 504.391 But uh what would be different from this , from the others ? I dunno if 501.33 502.43 IS1006a C MIO078 2 504.08 512.08 504.15 512.08 Uh maybe we can change the colours that at least the frame . Mm . S so then it depends you are to 509.57 510.1 IS1006a D MIO008 3 509.312 511.182 509.33 511.12 Yeah , at least the colour would be different . 509.52 511.12 IS1006a A FIO041 0 513.373 513.811 513.4 513.68 Mm . 513.68 IS1006a C MIO078 2 513.456 516.949 513.48 516.86 Mm I mean you c you can easily remove the frame . 516.86 IS1006a D MIO008 3 516.0 523.621 516.02 523.52 I think one thing important for instance in this remote control if you remember when people use it they're they never find a good button in the right place . 523.52 IS1006a C MIO078 2 522.848 523.712 522.87 523.68 Yeah , yeah . 523.35 523.68 IS1006a A FIO041 0 523.085 523.648 523.11 523.53 Mm-hmm . 523.53 IS1006a D MIO008 3 523.621 528.245 523.64 528.245 For some reason they they they click the off button when they want to use the - IS1006a C MIO078 2 524.771 525.191 524.82 525.13 Yeah . 525.13 IS1006a C MIO078 2 527.52 527.92 527.54 527.89 Yeah . 527.89 IS1006a D MIO008 3 528.245 532.772 528.27 532.64 So there's a problem in the design of that kind of remote control somehow , I dunno . 531.89 532.64 IS1006a A FIO041 0 531.426 543.37 531.55 543.29 Mm . So , some kind of idea uh with um um cellular phone with a a screen that will tell you what no . 532.22 532.95 543.29 IS1006a B MIO040 1 542.288 544.672 542.32 544.64 No , no screens , it's too complex . 542.92 543.61 544.64 IS1006a A FIO041 0 544.608 545.131 544.63 545.1 Okay . 545.1 IS1006a D MIO008 3 544.864 546.794 544.864 546.73 Too expensive for twelve Euro ? 546.73 IS1006a C MIO078 2 545.024 547.568 545.05 547.35 Mm . Too expensive , yeah . 546.41 547.22 547.35 IS1006a B MIO040 1 546.928 554.96 546.95 554.93 And n maybe not too expensive , well it's not my problem , but well okay . But no screens on remote controls . 549.21 550.72 551.94 554.93 IS1006a A FIO041 0 547.361 548.755 547.64 548.67 And too expensive . 548.67 IS1006a D MIO008 3 551.034 551.842 551.28 551.55 Ah . 551.55 IS1006a D MIO008 3 554.928 563.403 554.96 563.34 Mm-hmm . I thought it could be only a screen which would change depending on uh uh the use or even the user . 555.6 563.34 IS1006a A FIO041 0 554.949 555.488 555.2 555.37 Mm . 555.37 IS1006a D MIO008 3 563.403 576.72 563.42 576.45 So ma I prefer to have the off button at the top right , so I would have my own design of the remote control because it's in fact just a a full touch screen remote control , if you if you like . 567.75 575.19 576.45 IS1006a B MIO040 1 563.686 564.258 563.87 564.04 Mm-hmm . 564.04 IS1006a C MIO078 2 567.296 567.84 567.32 567.81 Ye yeah . 567.81 IS1006a C MIO078 2 572.959 573.626 572.98 573.43 Hmm . 573.43 IS1006a C MIO078 2 576.384 592.48 576.4 592.45 I mean it it's like it's like two types no ? people are right handed or left handed so y because I am left handed I use like this , say if you're right handed you use like this or so tha your switch on and off should be on yeah . 579.99 584.7 592.45 IS1006a D MIO008 3 576.72 578.048 576.77 578.048 I don't know if it makes sense , but 577.88 IS1006a A FIO041 0 578.016 578.495 578.04 578.45 Mm-mm . 578.45 IS1006a D MIO008 3 582.139 584.048 582.2 584.01 Yeah , for instance , mm . 582.76 583.79 584.01 IS1006a B MIO040 1 585.579 587.085 585.7 586.97 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 586.45 586.97 IS1006a A FIO041 0 586.585 587.952 586.63 587.82 Mm-hmm . Mm mm mm . 587.2 587.82 IS1006a D MIO008 3 586.632 587.154 586.65 586.97 Mm . 586.97 IS1006a A FIO041 0 590.736 593.761 590.76 593.7 So adaptable yeah something yeah . 593.7 IS1006a B MIO040 1 592.496 597.616 592.53 597.48 Adaptable . Alright , good , so how many actions do we need to implement in it ? 593.36 593.95 594.42 597.48 IS1006a D MIO008 3 592.624 594.528 592.64 594.45 Maybe , if if it's possible , yeah . 593.16 594.28 594.45 IS1006a C MIO078 2 593.349 594.914 593.37 594.88 Mm huh . 594.88 IS1006a C MIO078 2 598.16 603.931 598.18 603.78 Maybe I think even we can keep two switches and then we can uh only make one working . 603.78 IS1006a B MIO040 1 598.155 599.212 598.28 599.11 On off ? 599.11 IS1006a D MIO008 3 600.368 600.764 600.5 600.69 Yeah . 600.69 IS1006a C MIO078 2 603.931 613.57 604.09 613.39 We can adapt only one switch , suppose here like we can make two switches and if I'm left-hander I use this switch to follow the main operations . 605.4 613.39 IS1006a B MIO040 1 612.912 616.672 612.93 616.63 I mean if it's less than three uh then we can make it uh like a - IS1006a C MIO078 2 617.136 617.488 617.16 617.44 Two . 617.44 IS1006a D MIO008 3 617.76 619.222 617.84 619.01 Three buttons you mean ? 619.01 IS1006a B MIO040 1 618.752 624.08 618.752 623.95 like three mental states , yeah you know what I mean , we can just make it uh 621.27 622.36 IS1006a A FIO041 0 619.747 620.687 619.88 620.45 Three option . 620.45 IS1006a D MIO008 3 621.072 623.169 621.09 623.169 Ah . 622.94 IS1006a C MIO078 2 623.4 624.015 623.4 623.57 Yeah . 623.57 IS1006a C MIO078 2 624.576 624.928 624.6 624.89 Yeah . 624.89 IS1006a A FIO041 0 625.632 626.247 625.7 626.0 Um . 626.0 IS1006a B MIO040 1 625.792 631.654 625.81 631.654 controlled by a brain , huh ? 627.02 631.41 IS1006a A FIO041 0 627.296 637.24 627.32 637.24 Mm-hmm . Maybe if it's more , if there is a software inside that ask you three 630.12 631.4 IS1006a D MIO008 3 628.992 631.648 629.02 631.648 Mm-hmm , yeah , sure . 629.73 630.2 631.45 IS1006a B MIO040 1 639.232 639.84 639.26 639.8 Mm-hmm . 639.8 IS1006a A FIO041 0 641.357 648.88 641.38 648.78 Hmm . If it if we want a r universal remote control that we sa like we say before it may 642.68 IS1006a A FIO041 0 650.032 656.325 650.05 656.1 may need more than three mm three button , three mm possibilities , ye yeah . 653.08 655.13 656.1 IS1006a B MIO040 1 654.339 656.326 654.36 656.28 Sh sure , sure . 655.39 656.28 IS1006a D MIO008 3 654.352 657.456 654.37 657.36 Yeah , more than three actions that you may want to do at a given time . 654.52 657.36 IS1006a C MIO078 2 655.419 656.353 655.49 656.29 Mm yeah . 656.29 IS1006a C MIO078 2 657.664 658.224 657.69 658.224 Yeah . 658.02 IS1006a B MIO040 1 659.648 666.656 659.68 666.62 But for standard actions you usually what do you do , you change channels , you adjust volume , and nothing else . 662.08 663.95 665.72 666.62 IS1006a D MIO008 3 667.792 676.481 668.0 675.96 Yeah but for instance when you change channels you can have you can just go to the next one or go to channel twenty five . 675.96 IS1006a C MIO078 2 673.755 674.184 673.8 674.06 Mm . 674.06 IS1006a C MIO078 2 675.176 675.655 675.24 675.55 Yeah . 675.55 IS1006a A FIO041 0 675.904 676.463 675.92 676.463 Mm . 676.39 IS1006a D MIO008 3 676.481 680.32 676.53 680.32 And that's already more complex to go to channel twenty five . 679.87 IS1006a B MIO040 1 679.296 681.104 679.32 681.07 Mm-hmm . You do this ? 680.36 681.07 IS1006a C MIO078 2 681.712 682.16 682.0 682.13 Yeah . 682.13 IS1006a D MIO008 3 682.16 689.344 682.33 689.344 Uh no . Because I'm only using three or four channels but 685.56 IS1006a B MIO040 1 683.12 685.216 683.14 685.18 I usually just change channels . 685.18 IS1006a C MIO078 2 687.536 698.476 687.536 698.26 Yeah . But they keep generally their t slash slash uh this thing and then the dash dash and then you can put yeah , you can only have one bit . 690.1 697.22 698.26 IS1006a A FIO041 0 696.544 704.537 696.56 704.42 Yeah . I change channel like this , m uh I want to go to twenty five , and then to ten , uh-huh mm yeah . 697.22 698.89 701.23 703.58 704.42 IS1006a C MIO078 2 699.248 699.696 699.28 699.63 Dash . 699.63 IS1006a D MIO008 3 702.944 707.294 702.96 707.11 And then back to the one I was before , so there's whichever it was . 705.36 707.11 IS1006a A FIO041 0 705.216 708.213 705.24 708.13 Also we can be here yeah , that would be cool . 707.3 708.13 IS1006a B MIO040 1 705.99 710.531 706.26 710.43 Uh-huh . Go back button is good . I once had it . 707.57 709.47 710.43 IS1006a C MIO078 2 706.096 707.338 706.41 707.19 Yeah you can yeah . 707.19 IS1006a C MIO078 2 707.826 708.197 707.96 708.15 Yeah . 708.15 IS1006a D MIO008 3 708.194 719.844 708.21 719.844 Yeah . Uh uh we had that in in other countries . Yeah e even the history so you could like uh undo previous of the previous . 708.68 712.29 719.78 IS1006a C MIO078 2 709.936 712.384 709.96 712.23 Yeah yeah , the previous button is . 710.26 712.23 IS1006a A FIO041 0 711.376 713.008 711.41 712.84 Mm yeah . 712.84 IS1006a B MIO040 1 712.731 713.581 712.9 713.31 Mm-hmm . 713.31 IS1006a C MIO078 2 714.336 715.197 714.36 715.197 Uh , okay . 714.43 714.78 IS1006a B MIO040 1 715.508 719.837 715.61 719.837 History . 719.29 IS1006a C MIO078 2 716.08 719.683 716.1 719.46 Oh uh . 719.46 IS1006a D MIO008 3 719.844 738.976 719.88 738.976 Then you can watch what your ah you could also record your record your sequence of actions , that becomes more complex , but you could look at what uh the other people have used there or remote controls . Yeah maybe it's a 728.26 729.64 735.61 IS1006a C MIO078 2 721.136 721.516 721.19 721.38 Uh . 721.38 IS1006a C MIO078 2 723.92 724.288 723.95 724.24 Yeah . 724.24 IS1006a C MIO078 2 732.944 737.136 732.96 737.136 Yeah yeah , what the which channels the viewer 733.57 IS1006a A FIO041 0 734.336 734.792 734.36 734.76 Mm-mm . 734.76 IS1006a A FIO041 0 738.167 741.456 738.167 741.42 Okay . So I think we have full of idea . 739.24 741.42 IS1006a D MIO008 3 740.398 741.256 740.63 741.11 Okay . 741.11 IS1006a A FIO041 0 742.464 752.195 743.28 752.195 Um we're going to meet again in thirty minutes and uh I want you to mm - IS1006a A FIO041 0 753.152 755.424 753.17 755.38 work on these ideas and try to make a - IS1006a A FIO041 0 757.312 765.952 757.33 765.91 uh the ones , make um to decide what what are the ones important and what are the one that we don't want . 759.57 765.91 IS1006a A FIO041 0 767.034 773.664 767.034 773.5 And um m maybe more in the technical parts what uh do we want to do . 773.5 IS1006a A FIO041 0 775.264 776.176 775.45 776.13 Um . 776.13 IS1006a A FIO041 0 778.122 785.616 778.122 785.58 So um your personal coach will send you some instruction for for this thirty minutes . 785.58 IS1006a D MIO008 3 785.435 790.922 785.7 790.86 So what does M_E_ means ? M_E_ the user requirements ? Or that's uh that's for us ? 787.57 789.03 790.86 IS1006a B MIO040 1 790.688 791.696 790.71 791.66 Market Expert . 791.66 IS1006a C MIO078 2 791.616 795.35 791.64 795.23 Marketing yeah . 795.23 IS1006a A FIO041 0 791.666 796.617 791.69 796.617 Mm . 796.29 IS1006a D MIO008 3 791.653 800.192 791.79 800.16 Uh that's me . Oh , of course yeah , the user requirement specifications , uh-huh , yeah . 792.96 793.8 796.21 798.94 799.96 800.16 IS1006a A FIO041 0 799.568 800.168 799.67 800.01 Mm-hmm . 800.01 IS1006a D MIO008 3 801.536 803.536 801.58 803.4 Okay . I'll think of that . 802.79 803.4 IS1006a A FIO041 0 802.546 803.068 802.62 803.02 Mm okay . 803.02 IS1006a A FIO041 0 810.32 810.752 810.34 810.71 So . 810.71 IS1006a D MIO008 3 811.263 811.818 811.43 811.74 So ? 811.74 IS1006a A FIO041 0 812.096 813.2 812.12 813.17 I think that's all . 813.17 IS1006a D MIO008 3 813.552 817.04 813.57 816.99 Meeting's over ? Great . 814.5 816.99 IS1006a A FIO041 0 814.52 815.109 814.62 814.92 Yeah . 814.92 IS1006a B MIO040 1 814.864 815.44 814.88 815.33 Okay . 815.33 IS1006a C MIO078 2 817.312 817.856 817.33 817.77 Thank you . 817.77 IS1006a D MIO008 3 818.215 819.013 818.44 818.77 Thank you . 818.77 IS1006a B MIO040 1 818.416 820.003 818.97 819.77 Thank you everybody . 819.77 IS1006a A FIO041 0 818.801 820.608 819.27 820.57 See you in thirty minutes . 820.57 IS1006b A FIO041 0 25.567 26.128 25.59 26.04 So - IS1006b D MIO008 3 27.168 28.208 27.19 28.208 So - IS1006b A FIO041 0 27.717 32.496 27.84 32.46 I hope you're ready for this uh functional design meeting . 32.46 IS1006b D MIO008 3 32.215 35.131 32.98 35.131 Of course . 34.73 IS1006b A FIO041 0 34.72 43.28 35.75 43.24 Um so I will take the minutes you mm you three are going to do presentation . 43.24 IS1006b A FIO041 0 44.352 67.888 44.37 67.83 Um uh we want to know to at the end to know the new project's requirement so we need uh to know the the user uh needs that we want to fulfil to fulfil the from the technical part we want to know how it going to work and um - IS1006b A FIO041 0 69.168 75.536 69.19 75.5 third part uh I don't remember which is not very good . 75.5 IS1006b A FIO041 0 80.72 86.24 80.74 86.2 Ah of course , how to to design this uh this yeah . 81.71 86.2 IS1006b D MIO008 3 85.216 86.736 85.31 86.736 Nice stuff - IS1006b A FIO041 0 88.832 89.248 88.85 89.21 So - IS1006b A FIO041 0 90.832 97.632 90.85 97.47 um let's go for the three presentations , so first um Marketing Expert . 94.1 97.47 IS1006b D MIO008 3 94.243 95.121 94.243 94.98 Who starts ? 94.98 IS1006b D MIO008 3 95.753 103.376 95.753 103.27 Oh . Ha . okay . So I dunno if I can do that like this ? Yeah ? 96.92 97.93 100.56 102.85 103.27 IS1006b A FIO041 0 99.168 101.256 99.19 101.07 So wait a minute . Mm . 100.68 101.07 IS1006b D MIO008 3 105.776 119.936 105.8 119.936 So it's being modified . Do you want yeah , open . Read only . I hope I saved it . So , um yeah , this is my name . 108.62 110.26 110.93 111.85 115.36 116.51 118.38 119.9 IS1006b B MIO040 1 115.476 122.288 116.03 121.77 Sammy Benjo . I know this name uh . We met before . 117.89 121.09 121.77 IS1006b A FIO041 0 118.885 121.008 118.885 121.008 Sounds uh - IS1006b D MIO008 3 121.056 139.761 121.2 139.68 So as you know , you I think you already know me , Sammy Benjo . I am the expert in marketing and I want to tell you about what people uh s want and uh like and dislike in remote controls , and I hope this is going to help you to to design it correctly . So next please . 122.37 123.87 124.83 134.71 138.33 139.68 IS1006b D MIO008 3 140.768 142.176 140.79 142.176 Uh-oh . 141.91 IS1006b A FIO041 0 141.401 143.216 141.51 143.18 Mm uh . 143.18 IS1006b C MIO078 2 142.512 144.64 142.53 143.87 Yeah , it is put F_ five . 142.75 143.87 IS1006b D MIO008 3 145.22 146.32 145.22 146.28 Hmm . 146.28 IS1006b A FIO041 0 145.328 145.712 145.35 145.68 Hmm . 145.68 IS1006b C MIO078 2 146.688 149.189 146.72 149.08 The full page presentation , yep . 148.76 149.08 IS1006b D MIO008 3 148.432 153.222 148.6 153.18 Yeah maybe in the full page because i I spent lots of time doing this presentation , so . 152.88 153.18 IS1006b B MIO040 1 149.92 151.171 149.95 151.01 F_ F_ five . 151.01 IS1006b A FIO041 0 150.167 150.624 150.19 150.51 Okay . 150.51 IS1006b C MIO078 2 150.51 151.486 150.62 151.33 Yeah . Yep . 151.18 151.33 IS1006b A FIO041 0 152.505 153.224 152.63 153.15 F_ five . 153.15 IS1006b C MIO078 2 154.0 154.39 154.02 154.31 Yeah . 154.31 IS1006b D MIO008 3 154.032 156.272 154.06 156.24 Uh-huh hmm okay . 156.24 IS1006b A FIO041 0 156.192 157.725 156.26 157.65 Mm-hmm . Mm . 157.42 157.65 IS1006b D MIO008 3 157.648 181.391 158.7 181.391 So basically uh what I suggest is that uh instead of deciding ourself what what could be and what should be a good uh remote control , let's ask people who are users of remote controls how they feel about w the current remote controls , what they like , what they don't like and um and what they do with them by the way because they are supposed to be useful . 168.25 174.12 174.69 181.24 IS1006b D MIO008 3 181.391 195.008 181.61 194.48 Don't forget about that . So we've we've conducted a a survey on on the use of uh remote controls and I'd like to show you some of the results we found on this survey . 183.14 194.48 IS1006b D MIO008 3 196.432 197.648 196.46 197.58 And next please . 197.58 IS1006b D MIO008 3 198.864 209.28 198.88 209.25 Yeah , so basically what we found was that uh there are several things that the user don't like in remote controls . 199.4 209.25 IS1006b D MIO008 3 210.416 226.224 210.44 225.58 First of all , they find it very ugly . Current remote controls as you know they're the same as this one uh they're not nice colour , not nice shape , I mean they're all the same , and they're not l good looking . 210.92 213.8 220.52 221.81 223.54 225.58 IS1006b D MIO008 3 227.776 243.555 227.8 243.24 Um what is interesting is that in fact it seems that they were people are ready to pay for nice and look and fancy looking uh remote control , so I think we should probably spend lots of time in and effort in that um . 236.58 243.24 IS1006b D MIO008 3 243.555 259.046 243.72 258.09 And the other thing is that uh the the current remote controls are not so easy to use and it it the the current uh facilities that they offer do not match what people really want to use their remote controls . 258.09 IS1006b D MIO008 3 259.046 272.758 259.07 272.64 For instance uh we see that uh they zap very often so I think this is a very uh important uh functionality that it should be easy for them to to zap uh in one way or another . 272.64 IS1006b D MIO008 3 272.758 287.952 273.04 287.92 And most of the buttons uh on uh current remote controls are not used , so I think we should design something where some of the buttons which are those that are used should be easier to see and use than others that only a couple of people are using . 277.72 287.92 IS1006b D MIO008 3 289.856 310.439 289.88 310.38 Um next please . Now people are very frustrated w with their remote controls and they for instance uh they don't even find it it's it's often lost somewhere in the in the in your home and nobody knows where it is . 293.6 310.38 IS1006b C MIO078 2 309.966 310.496 310.16 310.39 Yeah . 310.39 IS1006b D MIO008 3 310.439 331.472 310.46 331.43 Maybe if we have something where we could ask the remote control please , where are you ? Like uh something to to like t I think phones . Some of the phones have some of this kind of s functionality . Uh of course phone you can always phone your phone but you can't phone your your remote control . But why not ? Yeah . 314.59 316.08 320.11 324.48 330.51 331.19 331.43 IS1006b B MIO040 1 310.737 311.379 310.91 311.31 Agree . 311.31 IS1006b C MIO078 2 311.952 312.316 311.97 312.18 Yeah . 312.18 IS1006b C MIO078 2 315.2 316.739 315.2 316.59 Yeah . 316.59 IS1006b C MIO078 2 327.232 330.256 327.232 330.14 You can you are . 330.14 IS1006b A FIO041 0 329.776 331.805 329.8 331.805 Why not ? 331.71 IS1006b D MIO008 3 332.64 347.415 333.24 346.96 And because of the fact that there are so many buttons in these remote controls that nobody use , in fact they don't even know how to use them , so most of the the people say they they don't know how to they to use properly their r remote controls . 337.83 340.38 346.96 IS1006b C MIO078 2 337.968 338.442 338.1 338.31 Hmm . 338.31 IS1006b D MIO008 3 347.415 367.962 347.58 367.9 And uh they are bad for R_S_I_ but uh I don't remember what is R_S_I_ . So I think they are bad . Mm-hmm . Mm nobody has any idea about that ? Well I'll check uh with my 354.52 361.34 363.44 365.7 IS1006b A FIO041 0 354.32 360.212 354.32 360.14 Okay uh tha that's look great . 360.14 IS1006b B MIO040 1 356.345 361.392 356.345 361.36 R_S_I_ mm-hmm . 361.36 IS1006b C MIO078 2 366.864 371.632 366.88 371.52 Yeah , it's electromagnetic waves or something kind of maybe uh effect . 367.2 371.52 IS1006b D MIO008 3 369.424 374.059 369.44 374.059 Oh , okay , I think it's a technical thing which our 370.57 371.25 IS1006b B MIO040 1 370.176 372.146 370.2 372.11 No , I don't think so . 371.52 372.11 IS1006b C MIO078 2 372.832 378.496 372.85 378.496 Yeah , because infrared uses some electromagnetic technology , and those waves have high 373.12 377.24 IS1006b D MIO008 3 375.504 375.995 375.53 375.96 Okay . 375.96 IS1006b A FIO041 0 375.451 376.896 375.69 376.86 Mm-hmm . Okay . 376.48 376.86 IS1006b B MIO040 1 376.862 380.32 377.13 380.32 Okay . But twenty six percent , do you know 378.41 379.82 IS1006b D MIO008 3 377.426 386.262 377.54 385.93 So , it seems that it's a lot of people for a concept that we don't know but we have to take this into account . 377.87 385.93 IS1006b A FIO041 0 380.272 388.288 380.272 388.288 Or something we don't know . Mm-hmm . 386.8 388.23 IS1006b C MIO078 2 380.281 380.904 380.53 380.67 Uh . 380.67 IS1006b B MIO040 1 381.664 385.008 381.72 385.008 Twenty five . 384.68 IS1006b C MIO078 2 384.251 384.656 384.44 384.62 Uh . 384.62 IS1006b B MIO040 1 385.872 390.688 385.89 390.65 Every fourth , you know . Every four some of us knows . 386.79 388.38 390.65 IS1006b C MIO078 2 387.136 387.96 387.16 387.96 Yeah it's - IS1006b C MIO078 2 388.816 390.191 388.84 390.191 People really - IS1006b A FIO041 0 391.76 392.144 391.8 392.09 Okay . 392.09 IS1006b D MIO008 3 390.608 396.976 392.56 396.94 So anyway that's for what the biggest frustration uh of the user and um - IS1006b B MIO040 1 393.046 393.6 393.18 393.6 One of us - IS1006b C MIO078 2 397.872 398.24 397.9 398.21 Yeah . Yeah . 398.09 398.21 IS1006b D MIO008 3 398.16 400.416 398.18 400.37 what else do I have ? Next slide ? 399.65 400.37 IS1006b D MIO008 3 401.84 404.896 401.95 404.83 Ah yeah . So we've listed a couple of uh 403.25 IS1006b B MIO040 1 402.16 403.04 402.46 403.01 Mm-hmm . 403.01 IS1006b B MIO040 1 405.472 406.032 405.49 405.8 Functions . 405.8 IS1006b D MIO008 3 405.984 431.944 406.0 431.944 s uh functions that may be uh used by u the user in the current uh available uh remote controls and uh well the tables look very nice to read but what is important is to understand that the power button is not used often because in general you use it only once per session , but it is very relevant . 429.33 431.76 IS1006b D MIO008 3 431.944 441.008 431.96 440.96 People want to have a power button . Channel selection is uh o often used very often used and indeed uh very relevant . 434.76 440.96 IS1006b D MIO008 3 448.864 457.317 448.88 457.13 Ah now I remember what is R_S_I_ it's repetitivity stress injury . 457.13 IS1006b D MIO008 3 458.521 470.905 458.521 470.51 We have to be careful with that word but uh anyway I continue my presentation so yeah , channel selection is um very important , very often used . 466.56 469.52 470.51 IS1006b C MIO078 2 461.76 462.208 461.8 462.14 Uh . 462.14 IS1006b D MIO008 3 470.905 487.448 470.94 487.41 Volume is not often used but people uh want to have control on volume and that makes sense of course . And n then you have things which are very much less often used like the settings . Audio settings , screen settings , even teletext and channel settings . 478.5 483.04 483.9 485.38 487.41 IS1006b D MIO008 3 487.448 502.016 487.5 501.98 All of them . they're not often used and they are s more or less relevant . It seems that people find teletext teletext uh relevant , even if I personally never use it but seems that it's average relevant at least , so . 488.51 491.8 495.44 501.71 501.98 IS1006b A FIO041 0 501.765 510.416 501.9 510.37 I have been told that we uh don't consider teletext , that it's out of date now because of internet . 507.14 510.37 IS1006b D MIO008 3 510.448 523.855 510.47 523.76 I can tell you that uh in a l in a scale between one and ten relevant uh not relevant to relevant people scored a six on this , which is not as uh these these two one were had I think ten I think . 519.51 523.76 IS1006b A FIO041 0 523.136 523.536 523.17 523.5 Mm-hmm . 523.5 IS1006b D MIO008 3 523.855 529.856 523.88 529.79 But but if you compare with these ones , uh I think they scored a one or two . Not very relevant , so 526.76 528.73 529.55 IS1006b C MIO078 2 529.008 529.296 529.03 529.26 Hmm . 529.26 IS1006b D MIO008 3 531.248 538.39 531.39 538.19 if if there are good reason not to put teletext it's okay but just know that people find it somehow relevant . 538.19 IS1006b A FIO041 0 538.171 538.499 538.23 538.41 Mm-hmm - IS1006b B MIO040 1 538.336 538.736 538.36 538.69 Mm-hmm . 538.69 IS1006b D MIO008 3 539.296 550.608 540.36 550.608 That's for the main functions I think and uh then we can ask uh ourself uh what people don't have that may be useful . For instance I think net next slide . 547.68 550.47 IS1006b D MIO008 3 552.592 570.441 552.61 570.17 One of the thing the trend uh that uh you are probably aware of is the possibility the eventual possibility of having speech recognition in your remote control , so you wouldn't have to tap tap in your buttons but just tell your remote control or whatever you need you have what you want . 561.45 570.17 IS1006b D MIO008 3 570.441 586.32 570.47 586.29 So we've conducted a survey about uh whether people would like or not to have uh this kind of uh functionality in their remote control and as we can see it really depends on the age . Young people , probably because it's a buzz word , find it very relevant . 582.05 583.44 585.03 586.29 IS1006b D MIO008 3 587.328 605.398 587.39 605.24 And uh as the age goes up the the relevance goes down . So now it really depends on the kind of uh targeting uh wha who are we targeting with this remote control ? I think if we are targeting young people then uh it's probably something we have to consider . 594.66 601.35 605.24 IS1006b C MIO078 2 593.648 593.952 593.67 593.92 Yeah . 593.92 IS1006b C MIO078 2 601.694 602.258 601.82 602.258 'Cause - IS1006b D MIO008 3 605.398 615.96 605.53 615.91 If we are targeting you very old people this is something they really don't know why they this should be so now this is of course , depends on that . 614.51 615.91 IS1006b A FIO041 0 612.048 613.619 612.34 613.49 Mm-mm . Okay . 613.07 613.49 IS1006b D MIO008 3 615.96 625.12 615.98 625.09 And um I don't have any conclusion , I didn't have time the meeting was very tight , so that's basically my findings . And uh , if you have any question ? 617.89 621.4 623.52 624.12 625.09 IS1006b A FIO041 0 626.256 630.234 626.29 629.93 Mm I think it's good , okay . You done a good review . 627.55 627.96 629.93 IS1006b B MIO040 1 629.052 637.183 629.28 636.91 I got one question , uh you are a Market Expert so should we aim at the young people or not ? 631.26 636.91 IS1006b D MIO008 3 629.105 631.408 629.31 631.27 I can go back . Yeah one question , yeah ? 630.3 631.02 631.27 IS1006b C MIO078 2 629.469 630.504 629.87 630.18 Thank you . 630.18 IS1006b D MIO008 3 633.648 635.01 633.67 635.01 I am . 634.87 IS1006b D MIO008 3 636.64 653.226 636.71 653.226 I think we should aim at the young people . But uh I think they are they are those uh who might be more interested in a in a new device . In general the the early adopters of a new device are young people , less than more than 639.38 646.51 651.1 IS1006b C MIO078 2 646.384 646.823 646.4 646.63 Mm . 646.63 IS1006b B MIO040 1 651.936 654.368 651.98 654.33 Okay , then teletext is used less . 652.86 654.33 IS1006b C MIO078 2 652.656 652.96 652.69 652.93 Mm . 652.93 IS1006b A FIO041 0 654.288 655.104 654.74 655.06 Mm-hmm . 655.06 IS1006b D MIO008 3 654.797 664.492 655.02 664.35 Then teletext is useless for them I think , yeah . Because they they have other means of finding their information . Yeah . But yeah . Nope . 657.04 657.77 661.14 662.44 664.25 664.35 IS1006b B MIO040 1 656.656 657.037 656.76 657.0 Okay . 657.0 IS1006b B MIO040 1 659.936 661.008 659.96 660.96 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 660.56 660.96 IS1006b A FIO041 0 660.226 663.808 660.32 663.76 Mm-hmm mm mm . Okay . That's good point . 662.24 662.83 663.76 IS1006b C MIO078 2 663.376 664.4 663.4 664.37 Mm , yep . 664.17 664.37 IS1006b B MIO040 1 663.398 664.475 664.05 664.4 Mm . Okay . 664.22 664.4 IS1006b D MIO008 3 665.337 665.884 665.44 665.67 'Kay ? 665.67 IS1006b A FIO041 0 664.928 666.016 665.54 665.85 Okay . 665.85 IS1006b C MIO078 2 666.368 666.992 666.39 666.82 Thank you . 666.82 IS1006b A FIO041 0 671.056 674.992 671.15 674.95 So um now I think it's the turn of the - IS1006b A FIO041 0 676.672 680.896 676.69 680.896 the I'm not sure um - IS1006b A FIO041 0 688.848 692.192 688.87 692.14 Of the technical function , so 691.53 IS1006b A FIO041 0 693.178 693.904 693.178 693.87 uh - IS1006b D MIO008 3 693.492 695.217 693.51 695.07 So I think it's you , huh ? 694.9 695.07 IS1006b C MIO078 2 694.592 695.36 694.64 695.33 Uh it's - IS1006b D MIO008 3 696.096 696.96 696.12 696.96 No ? 696.91 IS1006b B MIO040 1 697.404 698.734 697.404 698.38 That's me . 698.38 IS1006b C MIO078 2 698.016 699.594 698.04 699.594 techni function of - IS1006b A FIO041 0 698.4 699.195 698.42 699.195 what effect - IS1006b D MIO008 3 698.704 700.064 698.74 700.01 No , user requiremen 698.91 IS1006b C MIO078 2 700.656 700.976 700.68 700.94 Yeah . 700.94 IS1006b A FIO041 0 702.115 702.496 702.2 702.33 Okay . 702.33 IS1006b A FIO041 0 704.061 706.106 704.34 705.95 Wait a second . Argh . 705.78 705.95 IS1006b C MIO078 2 705.424 707.76 705.44 707.52 I have to do working design so uh . 707.52 IS1006b A FIO041 0 708.864 709.488 708.88 709.488 So you're - IS1006b B MIO040 1 708.524 712.384 708.97 712.31 That's but this but number three , yes . 711.56 712.31 IS1006b B MIO040 1 716.976 718.32 717.0 718.1 Mm-hmm . 718.1 IS1006b B MIO040 1 722.08 737.6 722.1 737.55 So , my name is Mark Dwight , and um I am responsible for User Interface Design . However , uh mm Project Manager asked me to give you some presentation about technical functions design . 722.59 724.03 729.69 730.73 737.55 IS1006b B MIO040 1 738.768 751.36 738.79 751.21 Uh , as I'm a more an artist that's gonna be less technical functions but more User Interface and current intentions and everything which is linked with this . So next slide please . 739.18 749.79 751.21 IS1006b A FIO041 0 750.256 751.664 750.28 751.59 Okay . Let's go . 751.32 751.59 IS1006b B MIO040 1 752.416 770.048 752.44 770.01 And uh a general method which is seems to be very useful for our task is not to forget about uh Occam razor . We should never complicate things too much . We should only make a remote control , nothing more . Nothing more than this , just a remote control . 761.72 764.28 766.7 768.07 768.99 770.01 IS1006b C MIO078 2 755.232 755.846 755.25 755.79 Mm . 755.79 IS1006b B MIO040 1 771.28 776.24 771.3 776.21 'Cause current remote controls they are never easy enough to use . 776.21 IS1006b D MIO008 3 772.087 774.014 772.13 774.014 Makes sense . 773.37 IS1006b B MIO040 1 778.432 780.88 778.45 780.6 So , make a click , please . 778.87 779.37 780.6 IS1006b B MIO040 1 782.208 783.808 782.25 783.75 So here is this remote control . 783.75 IS1006b B MIO040 1 786.112 792.144 786.14 792.05 It's quite a standard one , but it's not from a T_V_ , it's from a much 788.0 790.72 IS1006b B MIO040 1 793.376 802.064 793.43 802.03 easier device like air conditioning or something . But you know , we can use it for a T_V_ easily . 797.78 799.04 802.03 IS1006b B MIO040 1 803.296 817.757 803.32 817.55 Only buttons we need is on off , volume , channels and maybe some options or something else , and please make a click , compared to this one 806.2 806.82 812.84 816.23 IS1006b C MIO078 2 818.272 820.683 818.272 820.683 It's - IS1006b B MIO040 1 819.648 822.96 819.67 822.93 which one would you prefer ? I guess this . 822.23 822.93 IS1006b C MIO078 2 822.24 823.796 822.46 823.7 Yeah , yeah . 823.19 823.7 IS1006b D MIO008 3 822.896 828.512 822.92 828.47 I would say the simplest one as long as there are the uh I find the buttons that I need every time I need a button . 828.47 IS1006b B MIO040 1 828.88 830.176 828.9 830.14 Sure , sure . 829.84 830.14 IS1006b C MIO078 2 829.216 833.76 829.24 833.71 Yeah . Maybe it can be yeah middle of like , between those two li 830.58 832.74 IS1006b B MIO040 1 831.952 837.472 832.68 837.29 Yeah , and our method is going to be , provide simple 833.8 836.25 IS1006b A FIO041 0 837.374 838.752 837.58 838.752 Oh sorry . 838.52 IS1006b B MIO040 1 838.688 841.232 838.82 841.2 simple desires into simple actions . 841.2 IS1006b D MIO008 3 842.816 844.736 842.86 844.68 Nice . Nice sentence . 843.8 844.68 IS1006b B MIO040 1 847.191 848.512 847.73 848.42 Findings . 848.42 IS1006b A FIO041 0 848.994 850.624 849.33 850.59 Okay . Oh sorry . 850.02 850.59 IS1006b B MIO040 1 850.912 857.36 850.93 857.33 Our question of the style , we should remember that our company 853.05 IS1006b B MIO040 1 858.512 860.88 858.53 860.85 puts fashion into electronics - IS1006b B MIO040 1 862.848 864.504 862.87 864.45 and we should never forget about it . 864.45 IS1006b B MIO040 1 868.464 880.256 868.48 880.22 Concept . Be simple . Be simple and you'll lean on this market . Market is a of remote controls you know it better , it's very 870.86 872.79 875.94 879.4 IS1006b C MIO078 2 869.504 872.48 869.504 872.45 S you should yeah . 872.45 IS1006b D MIO008 3 878.752 879.318 878.78 879.01 Mm . 879.01 IS1006b B MIO040 1 881.792 882.608 881.93 882.57 well , it's 882.25 IS1006b B MIO040 1 883.712 886.528 883.73 886.48 it's not an easy field to to play , you know ? 886.09 886.48 IS1006b B MIO040 1 889.344 900.624 889.48 900.59 So be simple . For personal preferences I think that to make a baby-proof remote control it got to be a titanium . 893.25 900.59 IS1006b B MIO040 1 902.704 907.568 902.72 907.53 It's a really good style , it going to be look like like this . 904.93 907.53 IS1006b B MIO040 1 908.992 912.688 909.01 912.65 It is unbreakable and it is very universal . 912.65 IS1006b B MIO040 1 915.972 920.608 916.01 920.57 W we'll have a screen with a back light which can change colours , 920.57 IS1006b D MIO008 3 920.672 921.184 920.72 921.15 Mm-hmm . 921.15 IS1006b B MIO040 1 921.712 930.944 921.73 930.81 and we can put all the options into this screen . We'll need only few buttons . All the other things can be controlled through the screen . 924.96 926.92 930.81 IS1006b B MIO040 1 933.424 949.92 933.44 949.92 And all these buttons should be easy to find and to click , 'cause when you watch a movie and you want to change something , you always try to find a good button and click it , but you should do it by touching it and finding it easily just by touch . So 936.42 940.68 943.82 949.45 IS1006b B MIO040 1 952.384 953.0 952.4 953.0 Press - IS1006b B MIO040 1 956.608 965.568 956.63 965.52 I would propose this concept for design , just few buttons , a screen with a back light which can change colours , titanium 960.2 961.3 964.86 IS1006b C MIO078 2 960.467 961.14 960.71 960.92 Mm . 960.92 IS1006b B MIO040 1 966.821 976.4 966.92 976.37 I think , and uh what else ? I got just very few and good ideas . We need power and volume . 967.72 970.59 974.38 976.37 IS1006b B MIO040 1 977.472 984.864 977.49 984.71 And let us include two nice features into this device , first , power on and off can be made fully automatic . 981.13 981.8 984.71 IS1006b B MIO040 1 986.56 990.384 986.58 990.35 When you go to the sofa , take your control and point it to the T_V_ , 988.1 990.35 IS1006b A FIO041 0 991.594 993.084 991.61 992.88 It's off . It's on . 992.47 992.88 IS1006b D MIO008 3 991.561 992.251 991.75 991.85 Hmm . 991.85 IS1006b B MIO040 1 993.424 994.64 993.52 994.61 the T_V_ turns on . 994.61 IS1006b D MIO008 3 995.264 996.667 995.31 996.54 And when does it turn off ? 996.54 IS1006b B MIO040 1 997.536 1000.53 997.56 1000.53 When you don't touch the control but you go out of the - IS1006b D MIO008 3 1001.2 1002.192 1001.23 1002.01 Oh so you have a - IS1006b B MIO040 1 1001.342 1003.616 1001.42 1003.616 For for enough time like uh you - IS1006b D MIO008 3 1003.536 1007.3 1003.56 1007.3 sensing sensor machine that uh knows - IS1006b B MIO040 1 1006.288 1026.64 1006.68 1026.59 It's a question to our technical design , our two engineers . And another nice feature that I would like to implement is uh volume control . Suppose you set u you set up some volume and then you move out or you move to the other corner of the room and take your control with you . 1010.33 1012.38 1016.87 1026.59 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1008.731 1010.313 1008.96 1010.313 Tech - IS1006b B MIO040 1 1028.384 1037.296 1028.4 1037.26 Like , you want to to change the chair or you want to move to the armchair from the sofa or something , and then the volume changes . 1029.0 1035.89 1037.26 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1034.336 1035.949 1034.37 1035.72 Or you want to go to the kitchen . 1035.72 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1038.096 1038.563 1038.13 1038.42 Mm-hmm . 1038.42 IS1006b B MIO040 1 1038.592 1041.056 1038.61 1041.056 It's easy to do , you just control the 1039.41 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1040.869 1046.533 1041.01 1046.31 According to your distance to and the angle maybe , if you have a stereo system . 1044.47 1046.31 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1041.888 1043.039 1041.92 1042.94 Distance . 1042.94 IS1006b B MIO040 1 1042.448 1046.928 1042.48 1046.89 According to the distance . Yeah yeah yeah . 1045.2 1046.89 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1047.824 1054.096 1047.84 1054.03 Uh I'm not sure about the screen , wha what is the use usefulness of the screen ? Uh is it a touch screen by the way ? 1049.56 1052.39 1054.03 IS1006b B MIO040 1 1048.186 1048.573 1048.22 1048.573 So - IS1006b B MIO040 1 1054.352 1060.096 1055.07 1060.04 I think it can be just a menu which can be controlled with a left , right , up , down and enter . 1058.61 1058.91 1059.05 1060.04 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1060.192 1065.408 1060.21 1065.408 So it gives instructions but uh it has to be with an back light somehow . 1065.09 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1060.64 1061.024 1060.69 1060.87 Yeah . 1060.87 IS1006b B MIO040 1 1064.448 1074.144 1064.96 1074.04 So , its main purpose in fact is a back light , which change colours , which makes it easier to find , 1065.36 1070.87 1072.19 1074.04 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1069.824 1070.176 1069.86 1070.14 Mm-hmm . 1070.14 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1070.624 1070.928 1070.64 1070.89 Okay . 1070.89 IS1006b B MIO040 1 1075.696 1085.504 1075.72 1085.46 and each can it can respond for your voice , like it can turn on the light for you just to f find it easily , yeah ? 1078.48 1085.21 1085.46 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1089.184 1089.616 1089.23 1089.57 Okay . 1089.57 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1089.283 1089.661 1089.42 1089.55 Mm . 1089.55 IS1006b B MIO040 1 1090.224 1091.952 1090.53 1091.87 So basically that's it . 1091.87 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1092.592 1101.984 1092.592 1101.95 Um I see that you target uh several s application not only T_V_ but i like we talk about um universal uh remote control . 1101.95 IS1006b B MIO040 1 1102.304 1103.776 1102.32 1103.73 Can be easily done , 'cause 1103.35 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1102.909 1103.624 1103.2 1103.51 Yeah . 1103.51 IS1006b B MIO040 1 1104.768 1118.368 1104.79 1118.33 you got simple designs , y we should put it to simple actions . Let it be universal , so you want to use it for your hi-fi system . You want to change tracks and you want to adjust volume . 1106.59 1109.45 1110.89 1114.82 1118.33 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1109.313 1109.81 1109.35 1109.72 Hmm . 1109.72 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1118.495 1119.042 1118.55 1118.72 Mm-hmm . 1118.72 IS1006b B MIO040 1 1119.504 1127.744 1119.52 1127.71 Just few actions , a few actions for everything . All the rest , we sh we'll put it into this menu on the screen . 1121.06 1124.08 1124.67 1127.71 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1119.712 1119.968 1119.74 1119.93 Mm . 1119.93 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1122.487 1124.617 1122.97 1124.34 Hmm . S 1124.04 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1128.185 1128.437 1128.24 1128.32 Mm . 1128.32 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1129.792 1146.608 1129.81 1146.56 Since we were targeting a really soon uh uh date for the the the um i issuing of this uh remote control I think we will only concentrate on T_V_ for the moment and then maybe m make it more generalised yeah . 1146.56 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1141.728 1144.115 1141.75 1143.96 Mm . Yeah and it mm . 1142.79 1143.96 IS1006b B MIO040 1 1141.952 1143.052 1141.97 1143.02 Okay , okay . 1142.59 1143.02 IS1006b B MIO040 1 1144.16 1146.262 1144.18 1146.15 Okay , but it's quite universal you know . 1144.55 1146.15 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1145.461 1146.042 1145.56 1145.67 Mm . 1145.67 IS1006b B MIO040 1 1146.96 1148.875 1146.98 1148.8 We can just extend it to any device . 1148.8 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1148.02 1148.617 1148.22 1148.51 Mm . 1148.51 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1148.05 1154.064 1148.3 1154.03 So for instance if I want to go to directly to channel twenty five , how would I do can I do that with this ? 1151.78 1154.03 IS1006b B MIO040 1 1153.952 1155.67 1154.56 1155.49 Uh twenty five . 1155.49 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1155.664 1165.941 1155.68 1165.7 Yeah mm let's say I am uh on channel eight now . You know these days we have hundreds of channels , that's not so easy to go just next next next when you have hundreds of channels . Or is it ? 1157.79 1160.14 1165.25 1165.7 IS1006b B MIO040 1 1160.122 1160.972 1160.58 1160.77 Mm-hmm . 1160.77 IS1006b B MIO040 1 1164.464 1184.448 1164.464 1184.35 In fact I would propose another solution . Basically you use just four or five channels , right ? Yeah . So uh set up your T_V_ set like channels that you use they're one , two , three and five , and you will never have to go to a twenty fives channel . 1167.42 1170.7 1171.62 1172.29 1179.99 1180.23 1181.78 1184.35 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1170.592 1171.392 1170.61 1171.36 Most people yeah . 1171.36 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1183.696 1201.296 1184.74 1201.296 In fact in in one uh remote control that I've seen , instead of doing that d you could just say these are the cha ch channel three , twenty eight , forty eight and uh sixty four are those that I want to by cycled with my next button . I uh 1187.46 1194.06 1194.97 1200.97 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1200.784 1203.162 1200.8 1202.96 Yeah it's it's the same solution , I think . Hmm . 1202.38 1202.85 1202.96 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1201.84 1202.391 1201.86 1202.18 Yeah . 1202.18 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1202.336 1202.784 1202.48 1202.75 B yeah . 1202.75 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1204.24 1213.399 1204.27 1213.399 But even we can have some uh L_C_D_ display , like you can uh de you can just button the number and then it go t because 1207.53 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1208.864 1226.576 1208.89 1226.54 Go to channel twenty five . One thing is that as I said in my presentation people really do like to z zap . So even if they are only watching four or five channels , I think they want to zap out of the one hundred channels , just because this is one kind of thing they do , zapping . 1211.4 1216.26 1220.02 1223.7 1226.04 1226.54 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1216.336 1216.816 1216.39 1216.71 Yeah . 1216.71 IS1006b B MIO040 1 1219.776 1220.383 1219.81 1220.32 Mm-hmm . 1220.32 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1220.112 1220.88 1220.15 1220.88 But still - IS1006b C MIO078 2 1223.04 1223.536 1223.06 1223.48 Yeah . 1223.48 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1225.984 1229.785 1226.0 1229.66 Yeah uh on zap it's only next next next next next , yeah . 1229.41 1229.66 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1226.855 1227.268 1226.9 1227.22 Yeah . 1227.22 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1228.336 1230.688 1228.47 1230.688 And it's only next . Yeah so but you have to 1229.4 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1229.024 1229.328 1229.05 1229.29 Yeah . 1229.29 IS1006b B MIO040 1 1230.0 1236.304 1230.04 1236.26 Mm . We got these buttons here . Next next . Or say this can be back . 1230.98 1233.04 1234.71 1236.26 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1230.784 1231.168 1230.8 1231.13 Mm-hmm . 1231.13 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1232.144 1232.576 1232.23 1232.52 Okay . 1232.52 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1233.872 1234.24 1233.89 1234.2 Yeah. . 1234.2 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1236.672 1237.008 1236.71 1236.97 Yeah . 1236.97 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1238.336 1245.84 1238.36 1245.84 But otherwise like we can put some display on numbers and then they can just press suppose two five they just press two and five and then - IS1006b D MIO008 3 1243.056 1243.808 1243.08 1243.808 So it would be - IS1006b D MIO008 3 1245.76 1246.128 1245.78 1246.08 Okay . 1246.08 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1246.96 1247.408 1246.98 1247.37 Yeah . 1247.37 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1246.496 1253.904 1247.33 1253.87 Maybe we can make uh different modes for each button and you can change mode zapping mode or - IS1006b C MIO078 2 1251.824 1252.15 1251.84 1252.03 Yeah . 1252.03 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1253.056 1254.192 1253.13 1253.78 Yeah , yeah . 1253.55 1253.78 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1254.304 1259.191 1254.33 1258.94 Mm-hmm . Alright . Listening more . 1254.85 1258.13 1258.94 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1255.184 1257.572 1255.29 1257.48 uh current chan - IS1006b C MIO078 2 1255.801 1257.008 1255.9 1256.97 Yeah , yeah . 1256.77 1256.97 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1258.064 1269.872 1258.08 1269.73 Yeah but since we are focusing only on T_V_ remote controls so we can have more functions for T_V_ uh if you want to go for a universal then we ought to limit for functions for each of our devices . 1269.73 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1260.458 1260.848 1260.52 1260.81 Yeah . 1260.81 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1261.376 1261.68 1261.41 1261.64 Mm-hmm . 1261.64 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1269.813 1270.4 1269.813 1270.35 Okay . 1270.35 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1269.856 1270.415 1269.88 1270.29 Mm-hmm . 1270.29 IS1006b B MIO040 1 1271.584 1279.92 1271.6 1279.89 Could we carry out some research if we w really need this , like how many people really need to go to channel number twenty five and then to sixty four ? 1275.21 1279.89 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1281.024 1289.712 1281.09 1289.712 Well I could could uh have a look at that maybe . I'll check in my department if there's someone specialist in that . 1286.16 1289.46 IS1006b B MIO040 1 1283.36 1286.16 1283.36 1286.01 Okay . 1286.01 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1283.776 1285.754 1283.84 1285.01 Yeah . Yeah . 1284.22 1285.01 IS1006b B MIO040 1 1287.309 1290.213 1287.309 1290.03 Okay . 1290.03 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1289.28 1293.059 1289.28 1293.0 Okay . 1293.0 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1290.8 1293.264 1291.4 1293.264 Although I don't know . 1292.96 IS1006b B MIO040 1 1292.624 1294.063 1292.65 1293.94 Alright ? Thanks for your attention . 1293.16 1293.94 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1294.016 1304.436 1294.05 1304.32 Uh you're finish ? Okay . So now the technical aspects of this new device . 1294.98 1297.06 1304.32 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1305.56 1306.432 1305.85 1306.39 Mm . 1306.39 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1313.266 1314.007 1313.4 1313.9 Two . 1313.9 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1319.216 1320.605 1319.55 1320.605 Yeah , if 1320.36 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1324.112 1350.208 1324.112 1349.86 Sorry . Yeah . Uh as you know , I am mister Ramaro . I am an expert in uh industrial design of all electronic devices and I previously devised many uh like digital calculators and electronic calculators . So now I'll briefly describe the working design of our remote control . 1326.87 1327.82 1328.89 1330.95 1343.94 1349.86 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1325.533 1326.768 1325.6 1326.768 You prefer it . 1326.67 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1353.664 1366.262 1353.73 1366.04 Well , as you know the basic function of remote control is sending some message to the the device , like T_V_ or V_C_R_ or D_V_D_ player etcetera . 1354.62 1361.85 1366.04 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1366.262 1374.556 1366.59 1374.43 So we will have a p portable device which will send message to the the main device like T_V_ . 1374.43 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1374.556 1383.589 1374.81 1383.589 So we need to have some energy source to do what to do the functions , what we want on this portable device . 1380.21 1383.43 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1383.589 1396.058 1383.7 1395.99 And usually this so to do these functions we need an interface , which basically some kind of pressing buttons or keys or like moving jack or something like that . 1389.06 1395.99 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1396.058 1411.151 1396.43 1410.77 And then these messages these key buttons can be transferred into some kind of message and then it will process by the chip and then it will generate some information to the main device . 1410.77 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1411.151 1414.048 1411.49 1413.99 It's generally in the form of infrared or - IS1006b C MIO078 2 1415.36 1425.57 1415.38 1425.27 some kind of s sensor information . Then we will have the main control in the main device to do the particular action what we want . 1418.45 1425.27 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1429.296 1448.386 1429.32 1448.31 So , basically we need uh since we are focusing on our interface device remote control we need few components , mainly the energy source like the battery and then we have user interface like uh the keypad and you know buttons we want , 1429.81 1437.78 1448.31 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1448.386 1466.403 1448.6 1466.37 and then we have some chip , it's mainly digital signal processing chip because since we are I am one doing mostly digital uh devices we ought to have some kind of processor which take care of all these functions and put it in some digital format . 1450.88 1466.37 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1466.403 1473.799 1466.75 1473.47 And then we'll have the infrared L_E_D_ source which sends the information to the main device . 1473.47 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1473.799 1491.04 1473.97 1491.01 Then we'll have switch in our main uh um device to do particular operations , and we ought to do different codes for different T_V_s , so some T_V_s will have different encryption codes for doing s s uh channel changing and these things . 1479.47 1483.7 1491.01 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1483.719 1484.547 1483.84 1484.26 Mm-hmm . 1484.26 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1489.849 1490.488 1490.19 1490.45 Okay . 1490.45 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1491.344 1494.999 1491.36 1494.83 To make it quite uh an universal uh device uh . 1494.83 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1494.224 1502.948 1494.24 1502.7 Yeah yeah , because the people don't use one particular brand so or at least we have more more than five brands , which are really good . 1494.62 1501.66 1502.7 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1498.304 1498.626 1498.33 1498.51 Mm . 1498.51 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1501.613 1502.615 1501.76 1502.53 Okay . 1502.53 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1502.948 1513.984 1503.12 1513.9 So we need to check their specifications and do their uh encryption that's passing information to the T_V_ device . So we need to have particular encryption codes . 1511.48 1513.9 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1514.115 1514.814 1514.32 1514.65 Okay . 1514.65 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1515.568 1532.938 1516.04 1532.7 Then , components , so we have the main uh energy source and then we will have some buttons and then we will have infrared uh source and then we have some inside some chip in in the device . 1516.72 1518.18 1532.7 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1532.938 1552.192 1533.25 1552.16 Uh since I don't have much time so I'll input the connections to all this components . And since I also want to know feedback from our Marketing Expert and User Interface , so if you want to add some more components we can incorporate them . 1540.03 1547.5 1552.16 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1546.171 1546.802 1546.19 1546.76 Mm-hmm . 1546.76 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1549.624 1557.552 1549.82 1557.29 Mm-hmm . And from from the discussion we had do you can you make it on the whiteboard , or mm . 1550.98 1555.71 1557.29 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1553.632 1553.888 1553.65 1553.85 Yeah . 1553.85 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1556.544 1582.032 1556.56 1581.92 Yeah , I'm sure , because since our User Interface speech recognition and also Marketing Expert for the speech recognition is really handy , so we can have another , like uh s simple speech recogniser on our D_S_B_ chip . Since we have some kind of uh energy this is our 1557.49 1557.84 1570.71 1573.29 1577.95 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1566.528 1567.345 1566.67 1567.15 Mm-hmm . 1567.15 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1570.432 1570.838 1570.46 1570.74 Mm-hmm . 1570.74 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1570.408 1570.812 1570.47 1570.77 Mm-hmm . 1570.77 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1577.014 1577.603 1577.08 1577.45 Mm . 1577.45 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1583.232 1615.948 1583.25 1615.948 this normal battery , so this battery , once you s switch on it will take power and we can have some speech recognition and in our g generally small digital signal processing chip so that and we will put uh the small uh simple speech recogniser and we can also train the speech recogniser for particular user so you just yeah , so that we just use simple recog no but but 1585.03 1586.65 1609.83 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1601.63 1602.287 1601.79 1602.287 On - IS1006b A FIO041 0 1607.696 1608.8 1607.84 1608.77 Uh train it , okay . 1608.51 1608.77 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1609.36 1609.728 1609.39 1609.69 Mm-hmm . 1609.69 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1609.395 1609.808 1609.42 1609.69 Mm-hmm . 1609.69 IS1006b B MIO040 1 1611.565 1612.651 1611.565 1612.62 Too complex . 1612.62 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1614.637 1619.03 1614.81 1619.03 But uh very very good to sell . 1618.05 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1617.056 1626.6 1617.18 1626.44 Yeah . No , even in you can find even simple mobile device like any mobile brand you can have these voice dialers or these things , yeah . 1618.07 1618.18 1626.19 1626.44 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1624.8 1637.28 1624.82 1637.28 Think of a all these young people who would love to say that this remote control only works for them , and ha ha you cannot use my remote control , because it's targeted to me . Whatever . 1631.05 1633.09 1635.42 1637.23 IS1006b B MIO040 1 1625.529 1626.135 1625.55 1626.0 Okay . 1626.0 IS1006b B MIO040 1 1630.896 1631.471 1630.92 1631.44 Okay . 1631.44 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1630.948 1631.604 1631.05 1631.43 Yeah . 1631.43 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1633.17 1638.048 1633.21 1638.01 Mm . And what about the price of this component ? 1635.86 1638.01 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1633.43 1634.12 1633.71 1633.99 Yeah . 1633.99 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1635.967 1636.841 1636.14 1636.841 So - IS1006b C MIO078 2 1638.656 1662.48 1638.79 1662.43 Uh maybe we can make uh it in five Euros and even less than that , because we want to have uh millions and in bulk , so we can make really simp and we want to make really simple device because we have only very few words like like power , switch on or some like then we'll have something like this um 1643.85 1647.56 1656.44 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1640.586 1643.152 1640.88 1643.12 It mm okay . 1643.12 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1642.859 1643.869 1643.26 1643.63 Hmm . Cheap . 1643.35 1643.63 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1645.552 1647.982 1645.59 1647.982 Millions . 1647.7 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1646.064 1647.629 1646.76 1647.629 Mm . 1647.48 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1650.275 1650.822 1650.3 1650.69 Okay . 1650.69 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1650.288 1650.726 1650.42 1650.58 Cheap . 1650.58 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1657.504 1657.872 1657.54 1657.84 Mm-hmm . 1657.84 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1663.68 1664.864 1663.7 1664.71 we'll have volume - IS1006b C MIO078 2 1666.48 1672.181 1666.5 1672.01 and then we will have s particular channel , so users can listen . 1669.15 1672.01 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1671.2 1681.021 1671.22 1680.81 The user uh will just be able to say uh please can you uh pump up the vo pump up the volume or or it will be something like volume , up , down . 1679.5 1680.32 1680.81 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1671.413 1672.154 1671.76 1672.12 Mm-hmm . 1672.12 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1677.127 1677.893 1677.67 1677.84 Ye - IS1006b C MIO078 2 1678.816 1698.68 1678.84 1698.37 No , yeah , a user can use any kind of sender but they should have this prompt volume and then yeah volume and decrease or increase , so we try to only recognise those words and and because we can't really say user to say same wording then it become more mechanical and yeah . 1679.23 1680.29 1689.48 1698.37 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1685.388 1686.002 1685.55 1685.88 Okay . 1685.88 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1686.064 1688.424 1686.08 1688.37 With a keywords and yeah . 1688.37 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1689.234 1689.89 1689.52 1689.86 Okay . 1689.86 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1690.976 1692.176 1691.0 1692.01 Couple of words . 1692.01 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1691.712 1692.432 1691.73 1692.29 Mm-hmm mm . 1692.29 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1696.269 1696.783 1696.29 1696.71 Mm-hmm . 1696.71 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1697.696 1698.363 1697.72 1698.18 Okay . 1698.18 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1698.32 1698.576 1698.34 1698.53 Okay . 1698.53 IS1006b B MIO040 1 1698.512 1699.109 1698.58 1698.81 Um . 1698.81 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1698.68 1715.061 1698.7 1714.79 And then we can have channel they can say , okay I want eight , because we don't know like users have different programmes , I mean they don't really follow same channels strict uh so we just want channel number , we don't want like B_B_C_ or C_N_N_ or something else because 1701.29 1703.15 1706.41 1711.31 IS1006b B MIO040 1 1710.58 1718.069 1710.58 1718.069 Okay . 1717.86 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1710.998 1715.122 1710.998 1715.01 Okay . 1715.01 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1713.145 1716.056 1713.9 1716.056 Of course uh it has to be - IS1006b C MIO078 2 1715.061 1728.749 1715.11 1728.64 it will be complicated so we'll have only these three uh main basic uh anyway volume is not really speech recognition problem , it's it it will be take care of our main mm . 1724.1 1728.64 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1720.833 1721.28 1720.85 1721.23 Okay . 1721.23 IS1006b B MIO040 1 1727.333 1746.076 1727.42 1746.076 No you know it's a conceptual question , 'cause now I see th this the picture in front of my eyes like a user taking his remote control and shouting into it , volume up , volume up , and and he's coming you know , he's really annoyed with this , down , up , down . 1729.47 1737.25 1738.37 1738.96 1740.39 1742.08 1742.5 1742.75 1745.61 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1737.257 1739.552 1737.257 1739.52 But then I think you - IS1006b D MIO008 3 1741.856 1742.144 1741.88 1742.144 you - IS1006b D MIO008 3 1744.784 1753.36 1744.8 1753.25 First of all I I think this is not uh functionality that it is going to be instead of using the buttons . It's on top of using the button . 1751.02 1753.25 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1749.963 1752.366 1750.03 1752.3 No , in no not only speech , yeah . 1750.37 1752.06 1752.3 IS1006b B MIO040 1 1753.456 1755.824 1753.49 1755.79 Okay , for this budget like twelve Euros . 1753.9 1755.79 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1753.655 1755.235 1753.655 1754.96 I it's an option . 1754.96 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1756.592 1759.294 1756.61 1759.294 Well , I dunno . 1757.01 1759.2 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1757.698 1764.386 1757.82 1764.386 Yeah actually we we can have one switch to like uh switch on , on and off , this processor and 1761.96 1762.79 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1764.386 1771.523 1764.5 1771.46 This really , suppose like here we have our main chip which controls power , volume and this part and this D_S_P_s . 1765.7 1769.14 1771.46 IS1006b B MIO040 1 1770.713 1771.436 1770.8 1771.3 Mm-hmm . 1771.3 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1771.523 1784.852 1771.8 1784.56 Again , this to have some interaction like suppose people use D_S_P_ then it particularly sends some information to the chip like in some form , like volume and like this key . 1772.16 1782.35 1784.56 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1784.852 1794.624 1785.03 1794.624 So it may not be like very expensive , because since we are only focusing on T_V_ remote control so and we have only few things here 1787.61 IS1006b B MIO040 1 1785.076 1785.679 1785.1 1785.42 Okay. . 1785.42 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1789.36 1789.728 1789.38 1789.68 T_V_ . 1789.68 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1790.82 1791.224 1790.84 1791.16 Okay . 1791.16 IS1006b B MIO040 1 1791.04 1792.096 1791.06 1791.96 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 1791.77 1791.96 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1792.706 1795.952 1792.77 1795.9 Sho to to train , okay . 1795.65 1795.9 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1795.6 1796.265 1795.89 1796.16 Yeah . 1796.16 IS1006b B MIO040 1 1796.272 1805.024 1796.3 1804.91 Did you consider the r gest uh gesture recognition ? Like , if I want to put volume up I like do mm I take my remote control do like something like 1799.65 1800.25 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1806.196 1816.941 1806.22 1816.941 Um uh uh this point we didn't consider because it's it's very expensive because v our target is only like twelve point five Euros and - IS1006b B MIO040 1 1806.23 1807.744 1806.41 1807.71 roll 'em up or roll 'em down . 1807.71 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1807.979 1808.627 1808.14 1808.48 Mm . 1808.48 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1809.119 1811.552 1809.119 1811.51 Very expensive , no ? 1811.31 1811.51 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1814.633 1821.172 1814.88 1820.89 And well , what about the idea of automatic on off on the button , yeah . 1816.13 1820.77 1820.89 IS1006b B MIO040 1 1815.915 1818.267 1816.24 1818.267 Mm why ? That's just 1817.15 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1819.504 1820.581 1819.52 1820.4 And volume control . 1820.4 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1819.392 1836.736 1819.84 1836.736 Yeah , even automatic on off is also a bit problematic , because it different criteria for different people like so suppose people are really uh they just uh they don't touch the remote and mm y you don't know how much time you need to switch on or switch off and 1820.07 1823.02 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1832.537 1833.353 1832.57 1833.353 So but uh - IS1006b D MIO008 3 1836.8 1851.04 1836.82 1851.01 Sh should we target a a user personalised uh uh remote control ? So in in a given room there might be more than one remote control . We would uh have each one and uh with our own personal uh settings . 1842.23 1845.7 1851.01 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1847.36 1848.269 1847.38 1847.97 Yay yeah . 1847.97 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1851.296 1862.544 1851.32 1862.544 Yeah that can be possible , especially for power settings , so user can say okay , suppose they're watching a tennis match or something then they can say okay uh after one hour I 1852.49 1855.12 1856.73 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1860.64 1861.034 1860.67 1860.84 Hmm . 1860.84 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1862.208 1869.216 1862.44 1869.216 Wouldn't that make uh arguments ? I want uh 1865.99 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1863.728 1864.538 1863.75 1864.538 They can make - IS1006b D MIO008 3 1865.408 1884.592 1865.408 1884.592 Yeah , of course . That's no problem , we will sell more . Yeah exactly . 1865.87 1869.35 1870.12 1875.66 1884.09 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1871.06 1873.745 1871.06 1873.745 Yeah we can have - IS1006b A FIO041 0 1871.104 1883.662 1871.104 1883.662 And we can increase this the strength y you can buy one with - IS1006b B MIO040 1 1873.033 1882.08 1873.033 1882.04 We got a really good Market Expert . Let's send more , let's sell more . 1879.82 1881.14 1882.04 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1879.616 1884.142 1879.64 1884.142 Yeah . 1883.9 IS1006b B MIO040 1 1883.36 1883.968 1883.4 1883.92 Okay . 1883.92 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1884.277 1884.815 1884.3 1884.7 Mm-hmm . 1884.7 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1885.707 1889.924 1886.06 1889.85 Okay . You have mm something else to say ? Uh . 1886.97 1889.49 1889.85 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1889.424 1891.184 1889.46 1891.15 Uh , not very much , like yeah . 1889.98 1890.65 1891.15 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1890.704 1891.026 1890.73 1890.95 No . 1890.95 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1891.44 1892.72 1891.47 1892.69 Okay . Thanks . 1892.36 1892.69 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1892.752 1894.56 1892.86 1894.28 Okay , thanks . 1893.27 1894.28 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1893.024 1895.196 1893.04 1894.98 Thank you . Yep . 1894.82 1894.98 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1896.122 1898.377 1896.59 1898.19 Thank you . 1898.19 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1897.93 1899.552 1897.93 1899.52 So - IS1006b C MIO078 2 1899.766 1901.104 1899.79 1900.95 Can you just yeah . 1900.95 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1900.88 1901.52 1900.92 1901.42 mm - IS1006b A FIO041 0 1902.512 1907.792 1902.55 1907.5 mm I think , okay , we're just on time . 1905.01 1905.99 1907.5 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1908.88 1911.424 1909.46 1911.38 Um mm mm . 1911.38 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1914.048 1918.432 1914.07 1918.36 So , we're now going to l have the lunch break . 1915.37 1918.36 IS1006b D MIO008 3 1918.784 1920.976 1918.8 1920.976 Mm great . 1920.84 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1919.584 1927.504 1919.584 1927.504 Then we will work again for thirty minutes individual work , and um 1925.14 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1928.592 1937.312 1928.61 1937.27 we will uh meet again for the next meeting , and uh in this one want to 1934.02 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1938.736 1946.496 1938.81 1946.45 to be more focused on the individual actions the um on the components so - IS1006b A FIO041 0 1947.237 1949.12 1947.237 1948.68 uh - IS1006b A FIO041 0 1953.456 1958.48 1953.78 1958.45 you will focus on the component concept um - IS1006b C MIO078 2 1956.32 1956.914 1956.34 1956.86 Yeah yeah . 1956.86 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1960.432 1975.927 1960.49 1975.18 uh of course the U_I_D_ Mark will be uh focused on the user interface concept and uh our m Market Expert Sammy Benjo uh on the trend watching . 1975.18 IS1006b C MIO078 2 1961.536 1962.287 1961.56 1962.287 Mark will - IS1006b A FIO041 0 1975.927 1986.779 1976.3 1986.65 So um of course like before specific instruction will be sent to you by your personal personal coach . 1986.65 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1987.408 1988.635 1987.43 1988.47 Well I think that's all . 1988.47 IS1006b A FIO041 0 1989.856 2003.392 1989.88 2003.36 And we have um maybe we have to we say , only for T_V_ , not teletext ? Uh I think automatic on off control uh it's not possible . 1994.18 1995.49 1997.19 2003.36 IS1006b C MIO078 2 2003.6 2006.512 2003.72 2006.48 Uh it's in current price , yeah . 2006.2 2006.48 IS1006b D MIO008 3 2004.72 2005.919 2004.74 2005.55 Difficult . 2005.55 IS1006b A FIO041 0 2005.888 2012.816 2005.93 2012.78 Yeah , maybe in the next uh step if we make it work um . 2006.42 2012.78 IS1006b C MIO078 2 2007.968 2008.592 2007.99 2008.47 Yeah . 2008.47 IS1006b C MIO078 2 2013.056 2015.814 2013.17 2015.67 But speech recogniser can be possible . 2015.67 IS1006b A FIO041 0 2014.72 2017.888 2014.77 2017.75 Yeah , implemented . O okay , we can think about that . 2015.2 2015.96 2016.72 2017.75 IS1006b D MIO008 3 2016.704 2017.155 2016.73 2017.05 Mm-hmm . 2017.05 IS1006b A FIO041 0 2018.928 2020.272 2018.95 2020.24 And um - IS1006b A FIO041 0 2021.456 2022.931 2021.49 2022.69 do you see something else ? 2022.69 IS1006b D MIO008 3 2024.432 2024.752 2024.46 2024.72 No . 2024.72 IS1006b B MIO040 1 2027.168 2032.272 2027.19 2032.22 Uh , should it be equipped with the 2028.35 IS1006b B MIO040 1 2033.312 2036.64 2033.35 2036.5 uh , with uh speakers ? 2034.47 2036.5 IS1006b D MIO008 3 2036.896 2039.36 2036.896 2039.31 Speakers in the remote cont - IS1006b B MIO040 1 2038.4 2040.768 2038.42 2040.67 Like , you want to find it , you shout 2038.76 2039.89 IS1006b D MIO008 3 2040.272 2041.12 2040.37 2041.08 Oh yeah . 2041.08 IS1006b B MIO040 1 2041.84 2045.728 2041.87 2045.728 control , and it answers is I'm here ? Or 2043.37 2045.38 IS1006b A FIO041 0 2041.719 2043.91 2041.96 2043.91 Uh yeah that's - IS1006b D MIO008 3 2046.864 2050.962 2046.89 2050.89 It just beeps . That would be enough . Something very cheap . 2048.48 2049.95 2050.89 IS1006b B MIO040 1 2048.788 2049.794 2048.92 2049.71 Just beeps ? 2049.71 IS1006b A FIO041 0 2049.504 2051.504 2049.52 2051.47 Or maybe you want to phone him . 2051.47 IS1006b D MIO008 3 2052.258 2055.248 2052.29 2055.21 But that's ex that's expensive . Uh . 2054.9 2055.21 IS1006b C MIO078 2 2052.544 2053.255 2052.56 2053.16 Yeah yeah yeah . 2053.16 IS1006b A FIO041 0 2052.585 2055.088 2052.61 2055.05 Since now all yeah ? 2055.05 IS1006b C MIO078 2 2056.032 2061.296 2056.05 2061.296 Yeah , especially the power , it really consumes because it should be all the time on and 2056.17 2057.81 IS1006b A FIO041 0 2056.021 2056.762 2056.25 2056.55 Think - IS1006b A FIO041 0 2059.04 2059.438 2059.11 2059.4 Uh-huh . 2059.4 IS1006b D MIO008 3 2061.696 2073.616 2061.72 2073.5 Well I I heard of devices where you just uh whistle them and and they because of the the frequency they they just answer to that . You can't whistle . Uh-huh . Or a clap . 2070.63 2071.7 2072.93 2073.5 IS1006b A FIO041 0 2061.856 2062.48 2062.1 2062.48 And uh - IS1006b A FIO041 0 2065.744 2067.38 2065.76 2067.26 And it's answered . 2067.26 IS1006b C MIO078 2 2066.639 2067.22 2066.72 2067.01 Yeah . 2067.01 IS1006b C MIO078 2 2068.0 2068.56 2068.03 2068.52 Yeah . 2068.52 IS1006b B MIO040 1 2068.992 2072.288 2069.01 2072.25 I can't whistle . No , no , I can't . 2070.26 2071.3 2071.87 2072.25 IS1006b B MIO040 1 2074.512 2074.876 2074.53 2074.67 Mm . 2074.67 IS1006b A FIO041 0 2074.64 2078.384 2074.66 2078.35 Clap clap clap it's a good I I think it's universal . 2078.35 IS1006b D MIO008 3 2074.538 2077.728 2074.66 2077.65 You can clap . Can you ? Clap is good . Tak 2075.37 2076.27 2077.3 IS1006b C MIO078 2 2075.552 2076.064 2075.57 2075.98 Yeah . 2075.98 IS1006b C MIO078 2 2077.136 2077.551 2077.16 2077.47 Yeah . 2077.47 IS1006b D MIO008 3 2079.008 2091.056 2079.008 2091.056 Just a suggestion . With only one hand ? These are not our target people . 2086.54 2089.17 2090.85 IS1006b B MIO040 1 2079.387 2084.971 2079.387 2084.34 Okay . 2084.34 IS1006b A FIO041 0 2079.456 2088.039 2079.456 2088.039 What about people without hand ? Yeah . 2086.18 2087.55 IS1006b C MIO078 2 2088.496 2089.764 2088.52 2089.56 Yeah I think it's good . 2089.56 IS1006b A FIO041 0 2090.048 2091.216 2090.08 2091.16 Mm uh okay . 2091.16 IS1006b C MIO078 2 2091.84 2097.168 2091.86 2097.03 But it's a good feature I guess yeah we need to think about more how to incorporate it . 2097.03 IS1006b A FIO041 0 2094.128 2095.504 2094.17 2095.45 Mm-hmm . Okay . 2094.96 2095.45 IS1006b B MIO040 1 2097.68 2107.168 2097.76 2107.12 Just don't interfere with other devices like 'cause like all these people do that their lights are turning on with clapping . 2107.12 IS1006b D MIO008 3 2101.808 2102.176 2101.84 2102.1 Mm-hmm . 2102.1 IS1006b D MIO008 3 2107.392 2114.88 2107.53 2114.88 Oh that's e that already exists okay okay . Oh yeah , you do have . Wow . You're trendy . 2111.0 2111.56 2112.37 2113.1 2114.59 IS1006b C MIO078 2 2107.952 2108.32 2108.01 2108.19 Oh . 2108.19 IS1006b B MIO040 1 2109.424 2112.251 2109.44 2112.22 Yeah , I got it at my home , like . Oops . 2109.88 2110.81 2111.78 2112.22 IS1006b A FIO041 0 2110.784 2111.405 2110.8 2111.27 Mm-hmm . 2111.27 IS1006b C MIO078 2 2112.768 2115.29 2112.81 2115.29 Ah it's - IS1006b A FIO041 0 2113.792 2122.205 2113.81 2122.09 Mm-hmm , so let's to think s so that yeah . I think that could be in the component uh concept uh . 2114.77 2118.61 2122.09 IS1006b D MIO008 3 2117.44 2119.023 2117.46 2118.98 Think about it . Yeah , okay . 2118.13 2118.63 2118.98 IS1006b C MIO078 2 2121.776 2122.24 2121.8 2122.2 Yeah . 2122.2 IS1006b A FIO041 0 2123.501 2124.166 2123.63 2124.03 It yes . 2124.03 IS1006b A FIO041 0 2125.404 2126.832 2125.404 2126.78 Okay . 2126.78 IS1006b D MIO008 3 2125.408 2125.936 2125.47 2125.9 Okay . 2125.9 IS1006b D MIO008 3 2130.304 2134.56 2130.41 2134.17 Good we're done ? Right , thanks . 2133.47 2133.76 2134.17 IS1006b A FIO041 0 2131.472 2134.72 2132.18 2134.57 So , yeah , let's go to lunch . 2132.68 2133.47 2134.57 IS1006b C MIO078 2 2132.603 2135.664 2132.71 2135.61 Yeah . Thank you , thank you very much . 2133.93 2134.69 2135.61 IS1006c A FIO041 0 23.762 27.936 24.28 27.89 Okay , so now we are on the conceptual design meeting . 24.95 27.89 IS1006c A FIO041 0 28.69 36.352 28.69 36.352 Uh y getting close to the last is the penultim meeting . 36.28 IS1006c D MIO008 3 28.192 29.355 28.72 28.92 Mm-hmm . 28.92 IS1006c B MIO040 1 36.128 47.489 36.26 47.489 How was lunch ? 47.36 IS1006c D MIO008 3 37.555 47.87 37.555 47.87 Thanks Don't be sarcastic . Mark . 45.45 47.2 IS1006c A FIO041 0 37.648 47.882 37.648 47.882 Mm great . 47.5 IS1006c A FIO041 0 48.768 75.936 49.02 75.9 So um I will again do the secretary part uh we will have three presentation first um uh the industrial design , first Rama then Mark and then Sammy . Um um we have to take a decision on the control remote control concepts and we have forty minutes . 60.52 64.45 75.9 IS1006c D MIO008 3 58.704 59.463 58.72 59.37 Uh Rama . 59.37 IS1006c C MIO078 2 59.968 61.043 59.968 60.86 Ramaro . 60.86 IS1006c B MIO040 1 77.104 77.618 77.13 77.4 Mm . 77.4 IS1006c A FIO041 0 77.712 113.817 77.79 113.817 So what we want to the decision we want to take on this meeting are on the um first on the component concept , so what kind of energy we use uh what kind of chip on print and one ki kind of case . And also on user interface concept uh what kind of interface we use and if there is some supplements . And at the end um Sammy will give um a trend watching on what he's he's been doing . It's 87.57 95.4 104.11 113.47 IS1006c A FIO041 0 115.964 119.087 116.15 118.97 So , let's go . First 117.25 118.48 IS1006c A FIO041 0 120.48 121.712 120.5 121.67 with Rama . 121.67 IS1006c A FIO041 0 128.292 130.218 128.98 129.96 Participant two . 129.96 IS1006c C MIO078 2 130.52 131.824 130.73 131.73 Yeah , participant two . 130.91 131.73 IS1006c C MIO078 2 133.984 134.842 134.0 134.72 Component . 134.72 IS1006c A FIO041 0 134.944 135.264 134.98 135.23 Mm-hmm . 135.23 IS1006c C MIO078 2 139.504 139.94 139.56 139.68 Yep . 139.68 IS1006c C MIO078 2 141.968 193.696 142.08 193.59 So we're to mainly design f mainly need to know which components we'll use for energy , and the material and interface . For energy there are maybe two or three possibilities . First one , we can use simple battery , or we can use traditional solar cells or mm and the material we can have plastic , rubber which is good for this R_S_A_ and then uh titanium , which can be which have very good look an and then interface we're to use push buttons or liquid crystal d L_C_D_ display . And we can use some , moving kind of thing . 147.85 150.81 154.34 155.62 157.93 166.66 174.57 187.64 191.61 193.59 IS1006c D MIO008 3 170.332 171.12 170.52 170.87 Ah . 170.87 IS1006c C MIO078 2 197.292 207.888 197.7 207.74 So , as we discussed before , we need to we would like to have some speech recognition s chip in our remote control . 198.59 200.63 207.74 IS1006c C MIO078 2 209.328 252.864 209.35 252.72 So this can be simple kind of programmable chip and which can use microphone sensors . And we also want to look at our remote control , so . Still we are looking for possible uh technical uh specifications and how w easy we can do and within our pri range , like we're to in our twelve Euros or around that . So we are looking for simple devices or simple technology to do the location of remote control in a room or in a house . 217.7 225.51 226.44 237.49 242.27 252.72 IS1006c A FIO041 0 250.635 251.792 250.66 251.76 Mm-hmm , okay . 251.38 251.76 IS1006c C MIO078 2 254.288 257.136 254.31 257.136 So uh we discussed an - IS1006c C MIO078 2 260.492 261.76 260.492 261.71 Excuse me . 261.71 IS1006c C MIO078 2 266.08 293.152 266.1 293.12 So we would like to propose battery instead of solar cells and it would be problematic uh to have enough energy with the solar cells and so we would like to just use simple battery . And also we want to go for titanium design instead of rubber or and well the problem is with this design we found that we can't use double-curved shapes . 279.97 293.12 IS1006c D MIO008 3 272.571 273.085 272.76 272.98 Mm-hmm . 272.98 IS1006c D MIO008 3 292.782 295.074 293.38 295.02 What is a double-curved shape ? 295.02 IS1006c C MIO078 2 294.611 296.835 294.611 296.77 Like you can have two curves . 296.77 IS1006c D MIO008 3 297.168 297.584 297.19 297.5 Uh-huh . 297.5 IS1006c B MIO040 1 299.184 299.818 299.21 299.55 Why ? 299.55 IS1006c C MIO078 2 300.805 305.6 301.16 305.54 Uh it's I think in manufacturing I guess it's problematic . 305.54 IS1006c C MIO078 2 309.168 333.326 309.19 332.97 So , we want to go for simple push buttons because it need a simple chip and it's really lesser uh re really less expensive compared to L_C_D_ which are uh which needs advanced chip technology and it's more expensive , since we want to put some other features such as speech recognition we want to reduce uh cost . 310.24 325.8 332.97 IS1006c B MIO040 1 326.021 326.5 326.08 326.44 Mm-hmm . 326.44 IS1006c A FIO041 0 330.841 342.774 330.841 342.73 Um I want to know why it b uh just uh sorry but for the point before uh why not the rubber , if it is something that it seems to be light . 338.81 342.73 IS1006c D MIO008 3 330.959 331.909 331.32 331.75 The cost . 331.75 IS1006c C MIO078 2 336.882 337.509 336.94 337.509 Uh - IS1006c C MIO078 2 338.77 339.456 338.96 339.456 Uh - IS1006c C MIO078 2 341.529 348.373 341.91 348.373 And also like in if you put a it's be difficult to do all the moulding of buttons and these things and - IS1006c A FIO041 0 347.328 350.016 347.4 350.016 Okay . You m titanium it's more uh 348.11 IS1006c C MIO078 2 350.128 350.72 350.3 350.69 Yeah . 350.69 IS1006c B MIO040 1 350.777 365.712 351.2 365.712 W we can use something like you know the whole body's titanium but there are some rubber or I dunno some rubber parts like to make it feel better and to you know - IS1006c D MIO008 3 361.971 363.139 362.3 363.1 Mm like this ? 363.1 IS1006c C MIO078 2 362.592 363.136 362.61 362.99 Yeah . 362.99 IS1006c A FIO041 0 363.008 364.608 363.12 364.608 Yes so mm - IS1006c C MIO078 2 365.44 375.216 365.46 375.216 Like in cell phones recently these you can with the rubber in four directions and yeah . But full assembly 372.87 IS1006c D MIO008 3 367.192 367.68 367.28 367.53 Mm-hmm . 367.53 IS1006c B MIO040 1 367.376 369.106 367.376 368.98 Yeah . Yeah . 368.42 368.98 IS1006c A FIO041 0 367.568 368.092 367.63 367.92 Uh-huh . 367.92 IS1006c A FIO041 0 370.312 371.648 370.64 371.648 Okay . 371.57 IS1006c C MIO078 2 376.432 406.324 376.45 406.324 We'll use mainly for titanium rubber is expensive and also it's bit difficult to do all the shapes uh . And this push buttons we we would like to use push buttons instead of L_C_D_s and so we want to mo I mean we're we want to put speech recognition so we want to reduce price on this technology and so that we can have enough space or enough money for 385.72 IS1006c A FIO041 0 378.496 379.142 378.52 379.09 Okay . 379.09 IS1006c A FIO041 0 380.848 381.312 380.96 381.28 Okay . 381.28 IS1006c A FIO041 0 383.984 384.832 384.13 384.45 Okay . 384.45 IS1006c A FIO041 0 388.545 389.713 388.7 389.54 Uh yeah so - IS1006c A FIO041 0 404.144 410.352 404.21 410.15 Okay , s so simple button and uh speech recognition for the more complicated . 404.95 410.15 IS1006c C MIO078 2 407.631 408.756 407.78 408.42 S S - IS1006c D MIO008 3 408.093 409.296 408.22 409.296 Speech - IS1006c C MIO078 2 409.664 416.247 410.5 416.247 Y yeah we have simple buttons and speech recognition technology , so 415.67 IS1006c B MIO040 1 411.038 411.843 411.24 411.57 Mm-hmm . 411.57 IS1006c A FIO041 0 415.056 415.547 415.08 415.43 Okay . 415.43 IS1006c B MIO040 1 415.632 423.297 415.65 423.21 Okay , and still we have mm can we still include the L_ L_S_D_ display ? L_C_D_ yeah L_C_D_ . 415.85 421.35 423.21 IS1006c D MIO008 3 420.592 421.152 420.61 421.09 L_C_D_ . 421.09 IS1006c C MIO078 2 422.336 422.867 422.37 422.78 Uh l - IS1006c D MIO008 3 422.608 425.064 422.63 424.88 Seems not , it's either L_C_D_ or push-button . 423.17 424.88 IS1006c C MIO078 2 423.546 426.304 423.74 426.304 So uh it's like a - IS1006c B MIO040 1 424.576 431.056 424.6 431.02 No , it's not gonna be a t no touchable but still like a source of information or source for menus . 425.08 431.02 IS1006c D MIO008 3 431.04 431.376 431.07 431.34 Ah . 431.34 IS1006c C MIO078 2 431.568 452.278 431.59 452.19 Yeah maybe maybe we can see depending on how we'll come up with our full design then if we have enough money or like for and because the speech recognition technology will take at least five Euros or or something so we want to reduce the cost on display or this inter - IS1006c B MIO040 1 440.256 442.444 440.34 442.35 Okay , so let's try it , let's t 440.66 441.49 IS1006c D MIO008 3 447.068 449.753 447.068 449.753 The L_C_D_ would - IS1006c D MIO008 3 451.216 457.152 451.24 457.12 The display would only be display and not uh touch sensitive you mean . Just uh for output , yeah . 454.97 456.94 457.12 IS1006c B MIO040 1 453.381 460.08 453.58 460.0 Yeah , yeah , it's it's not gonna be a touch pad , uh just a display for giving you information . 454.27 454.95 456.64 460.0 IS1006c D MIO008 3 458.337 458.851 458.4 458.59 Yeah . 458.59 IS1006c C MIO078 2 458.287 459.089 458.51 458.92 Ok - IS1006c C MIO078 2 460.0 465.792 460.24 465.792 Yeah , that can we we can consider , because like it won't take much money I guess , because 460.51 462.67 465.49 IS1006c A FIO041 0 460.257 462.0 460.257 461.76 Mm-hmm . 461.76 IS1006c B MIO040 1 464.112 464.496 464.14 464.44 Mm-hmm . 464.44 IS1006c A FIO041 0 468.72 469.088 468.74 469.01 Okay . 469.01 IS1006c C MIO078 2 470.72 476.016 470.75 475.89 Okay , yep . You have any further questions or ? 471.61 472.92 475.89 IS1006c A FIO041 0 472.144 473.603 472.144 473.44 Mm . 473.44 IS1006c D MIO008 3 475.072 482.736 475.99 482.55 I guess no um . So the batteries uh are going to be very light . 477.81 482.55 IS1006c C MIO078 2 479.92 480.289 479.97 480.22 Yeah . 480.22 IS1006c C MIO078 2 482.992 492.256 483.01 492.22 Yeah , we're to go for li and now I think we have many options in the market so we can go for small nickel or alkaline batteries for 483.31 IS1006c D MIO008 3 488.624 489.04 488.65 489.01 Okay . 489.01 IS1006c B MIO040 1 489.507 491.056 489.82 491.02 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 490.74 491.02 IS1006c C MIO078 2 493.456 496.896 493.48 496.79 really light batteries and with uh good price . 496.79 IS1006c D MIO008 3 497.568 511.126 497.73 511.06 So this device on n that can be used for speech recognition could also be used for just uh the finding it basically , instead of clapping why not just be ask . 506.55 511.06 IS1006c C MIO078 2 508.528 542.224 508.55 542.224 Yeah , that's then the the one thing we want to know is like because remote control is used for like in the household so it it it will be it m maybe at least five , six people want to use it so so how to uh uh how to define our re speech recognition whether we want to do s speaker independent or speaker dependent . If we're going for more speaker independent then it would be like again cumbersome and we need really m more technology and so 508.78 521.54 532.64 IS1006c D MIO008 3 523.44 523.76 523.47 523.72 Mm-hmm . 523.72 IS1006c A FIO041 0 541.28 542.544 541.3 542.51 Okay , for the location . 541.57 542.51 IS1006c C MIO078 2 543.36 551.072 543.38 551.04 Yeah , if if everybody in the house n to locate then we're to go for some speaker independent technology or something . 543.63 551.04 IS1006c A FIO041 0 543.337 543.965 543.77 543.88 Hmm . 543.88 IS1006c D MIO008 3 550.656 551.024 550.68 550.98 Okay . 550.98 IS1006c A FIO041 0 556.512 557.05 556.54 556.87 Okay . 556.87 IS1006c A FIO041 0 558.432 564.68 558.46 564.48 So let's now go to the you don't have more question ? Um mm thank you mm . 562.32 564.48 IS1006c D MIO008 3 561.52 565.807 561.54 565.71 No , it's okay . Puts less of constraint on what we can do but 561.74 563.15 IS1006c B MIO040 1 561.812 562.993 561.91 562.93 No more questions . 562.93 IS1006c C MIO078 2 562.348 563.232 562.49 563.19 Yep . Thank you . 562.85 563.19 IS1006c B MIO040 1 565.306 566.576 565.39 566.54 Mm yeah , yeah . 566.11 566.54 IS1006c A FIO041 0 565.508 566.031 565.75 565.9 Yeah . 565.9 IS1006c C MIO078 2 565.808 566.08 565.83 566.05 Yeah . 566.05 IS1006c D MIO008 3 567.6 572.544 567.62 572.544 it's always like that . We have dreams and the in the end we find out that it's not feasible . 568.44 572.33 IS1006c A FIO041 0 572.896 575.152 572.93 575.01 Yeah , but mm . 573.91 575.01 IS1006c C MIO078 2 573.264 577.694 573.67 577.694 Oh . We have uh some limitations . 574.58 577.61 IS1006c D MIO008 3 573.968 574.384 573.99 574.35 Anyway . 574.35 IS1006c D MIO008 3 575.514 577.309 575.514 576.96 Yeah . 576.96 IS1006c B MIO040 1 576.474 599.013 576.57 598.9 But still uh L_S_D_'s already quite nice , L_C_ I'm an artist , sorry . So uh , that's not I hope that's not too much . Okay . Uh participant number three . 579.19 582.14 590.92 591.33 594.11 595.8 598.9 IS1006c D MIO008 3 578.448 594.759 578.48 594.759 L_C_D_ . L_S_D_ is something else , and it's quite nice as well . So , go on uh artist . 579.1 580.56 590.78 591.42 594.67 IS1006c A FIO041 0 579.135 596.695 579.135 596.58 Okay . Um yeah . Now let's talk about uh interface . 591.37 593.67 596.58 IS1006c A FIO041 0 598.316 598.813 598.54 598.73 Three . 598.73 IS1006c C MIO078 2 598.864 599.264 598.88 599.23 Three . 599.23 IS1006c B MIO040 1 600.043 601.168 600.043 600.93 Uh - IS1006c A FIO041 0 601.024 601.76 601.1 601.76 Which one ? 601.72 IS1006c D MIO008 3 602.496 605.077 602.52 605.077 Hmm . 604.7 IS1006c B MIO040 1 603.296 603.76 603.32 603.73 mm - IS1006c B MIO040 1 605.312 609.702 605.34 609.58 mm uh have a look at this no it's yeah . 609.58 IS1006c A FIO041 0 611.487 612.533 611.487 612.41 Okay . 612.41 IS1006c B MIO040 1 611.968 623.568 611.968 623.51 Uh so the concept of the interface . Generally I developed quite a broad concept not only for the interface , but for 618.0 622.73 IS1006c B MIO040 1 624.436 656.069 624.56 655.72 possible instruction or user's manual and uh all the complex things that come together with your T_V_ and remote controls . So let's start with this . We got our perfect remote control with a lot of buttons and uh we got explanation for every button and you can use your time and uh it will take i some days to learn all this buttons and um the L_C_D_ is going to be somewhere here 634.21 636.02 IS1006c B MIO040 1 656.588 680.048 656.64 679.83 and uh go back button , I don't know really where it is , maybe one of this buttons , and um power on and off mm I I don't remember so uh it it it should be maybe this button is power on and off ? Or no ? I can see nothing . So that's our concept . It's called the millennium remote control . 658.83 660.4 662.37 672.08 674.03 675.4 677.59 679.83 IS1006c A FIO041 0 665.568 667.298 665.568 667.08 Mm . 667.08 IS1006c D MIO008 3 682.304 684.832 682.33 684.832 Let's change millenniums . 684.75 IS1006c C MIO078 2 684.08 688.736 684.08 688.736 So maybe you can use in the end and - IS1006c B MIO040 1 684.784 685.68 684.8 685.51 Yeah . 685.51 IS1006c D MIO008 3 687.858 692.948 687.858 692.83 doesn't make sense . This is very ugly . 689.14 692.83 IS1006c B MIO040 1 690.24 699.408 690.26 699.408 Really ? I thought you like it . Ah okay just press the button , please uh . 692.48 694.36 696.02 698.23 IS1006c D MIO008 3 693.824 696.301 693.89 696.13 Oh no , too much concept . 695.29 696.13 IS1006c D MIO008 3 697.696 698.192 697.73 698.16 Ah . 698.16 IS1006c A FIO041 0 698.108 699.264 698.21 699.05 No . 699.05 IS1006c C MIO078 2 699.648 700.528 699.69 700.528 Uh - IS1006c B MIO040 1 700.448 709.648 700.47 709.61 Yeah , we will not use this . We will not use this . But instead of this I will devise That's our concept . 700.9 702.44 704.23 709.61 IS1006c D MIO008 3 708.064 709.984 708.08 709.984 Ah , back today . 708.84 709.59 IS1006c B MIO040 1 711.232 717.424 711.25 717.28 And it's got just few buttons , quite low looking , and all this stuff we already 713.32 714.66 IS1006c B MIO040 1 719.312 724.224 719.48 724.06 we already discussed . And uh what will people say ? 722.18 724.06 IS1006c A FIO041 0 720.688 722.192 720.71 721.8 Mm-hmm . 'Kay . 721.59 721.8 IS1006c B MIO040 1 725.68 740.032 725.75 739.95 They'll say it's perfect . Or what will say ? Uh they will say it's splendid . And uh e everyone will say I'll buy it . And everyone's gonna be satisfied . 728.21 730.55 732.75 737.29 739.95 IS1006c A FIO041 0 736.432 737.014 736.46 736.78 Mm-hmm . 736.78 IS1006c D MIO008 3 741.856 744.288 741.91 744.25 Do you think it can come in several colours ? 744.25 IS1006c D MIO008 3 745.376 746.48 745.4 746.48 Or did the - IS1006c B MIO040 1 745.947 752.272 745.947 752.24 I would make a backlight of the L_C_D_ screen with different colours . 752.24 IS1006c D MIO008 3 752.048 753.562 752.07 753.49 Um but not the case . 753.49 IS1006c B MIO040 1 753.264 754.704 753.29 754.31 Not the case . 754.31 IS1006c D MIO008 3 754.544 759.984 754.67 759.984 Uh the case would only be in that uh aluminium uh titanium stuff , like 758.7 IS1006c B MIO040 1 759.024 759.583 759.04 759.49 Yeah . 759.49 IS1006c C MIO078 2 759.248 759.776 759.27 759.74 Mm . 759.74 IS1006c A FIO041 0 759.792 764.016 759.82 763.98 Because apparently from your survey people like colours , no ? 763.78 763.98 IS1006c D MIO008 3 763.44 768.529 764.09 768.529 Yeah , well they like uh something which is uh 764.79 IS1006c C MIO078 2 764.256 764.736 764.28 764.7 Yeah . 764.7 IS1006c B MIO040 1 768.368 773.088 768.39 773.05 Okay , so let's remember there's a Nokia phone which changeable panels . 768.79 773.05 IS1006c D MIO008 3 773.136 778.016 773.17 777.98 Mm yeah , okay , so that would be the option . I don't know I don't have a Nokia phone , but 773.67 774.06 776.23 777.8 IS1006c B MIO040 1 774.384 775.268 774.41 775.16 Do you like it ? 775.16 IS1006c C MIO078 2 777.582 780.508 777.582 780.508 But it's uh - IS1006c D MIO008 3 779.676 782.314 779.92 782.314 I don't use that but again , uh I might 781.09 IS1006c B MIO040 1 780.672 787.636 781.26 787.636 That's why you don't have it . That's why , 'cause it's nasty . 783.25 783.68 787.51 IS1006c D MIO008 3 783.104 787.69 783.12 787.69 Yeah , bu but 783.38 IS1006c C MIO078 2 785.449 791.728 785.449 791.69 But it would be expensive , no ? If you use colour L_C_D_ . 789.66 789.75 791.69 IS1006c B MIO040 1 791.808 792.16 791.83 792.13 No . 792.13 IS1006c C MIO078 2 794.096 805.568 794.14 805.53 Uh instead of that maybe we can change the colour of the assembler . Maybe we can just if users want more colours they can pay more money to get this 799.37 IS1006c D MIO008 3 798.192 798.661 798.22 798.6 Mm-hmm . 798.6 IS1006c C MIO078 2 806.592 810.752 806.63 810.7 uh the shapes and they can have different assembly . 810.7 IS1006c B MIO040 1 811.408 812.656 811.46 812.61 Um , I am here . 812.05 812.61 IS1006c C MIO078 2 813.462 819.44 813.77 819.44 So users have different I mean they have their own interests , colour interests and so 818.18 IS1006c A FIO041 0 813.721 814.39 813.81 814.33 Okay . 814.33 IS1006c A FIO041 0 820.096 820.432 820.12 820.37 So ? 820.37 IS1006c B MIO040 1 820.176 820.672 820.2 820.63 Mm-hmm . 820.63 IS1006c C MIO078 2 820.624 823.12 820.64 823.09 So we can just if they want they can just pay another - IS1006c C MIO078 2 824.608 825.52 824.63 825.4 two Euro . 825.4 IS1006c A FIO041 0 824.0 835.2 824.73 835.13 Uh-huh , okay , so you you propose something with option i that increase the price if we if you want o more colours on L_C_D_ , yeah . 825.03 825.28 834.85 835.13 IS1006c B MIO040 1 824.576 825.343 824.88 825.03 'Kay . 825.03 IS1006c C MIO078 2 827.504 828.038 827.52 828.0 Yeah . 828.0 IS1006c C MIO078 2 829.52 833.794 829.54 833.66 Yeah yeah yes . If they want like uh so that we can yeah . 831.27 833.66 IS1006c D MIO008 3 833.065 837.952 833.37 837.64 Kind of upgradable uh remote control . Wow , wow . 836.85 837.44 837.64 IS1006c C MIO078 2 835.152 835.648 835.17 835.59 Yeah . 835.59 IS1006c A FIO041 0 837.152 837.589 837.18 837.52 Okay . 837.52 IS1006c C MIO078 2 837.952 839.728 837.98 839.69 Just they'll get few more - IS1006c C MIO078 2 840.928 842.16 840.95 842.13 things and few more colours . 842.13 IS1006c B MIO040 1 841.248 856.201 841.27 855.97 Okay , what uh there's one more decisi uh one more solution in fact , um 'cause there are some some paints that can change colour according to where they are , like they can reflect different colours 841.71 844.89 853.16 IS1006c C MIO078 2 855.182 856.402 855.42 856.27 Lights , yeah . 855.98 856.27 IS1006c D MIO008 3 856.464 856.736 856.5 856.69 Mm . 856.69 IS1006c A FIO041 0 857.152 860.187 857.24 860.15 And thermodynamic also . Mm-hmm . 859.94 860.15 IS1006c B MIO040 1 857.504 863.186 857.54 862.99 depending on what is around , like what colour is around , and depending on the temperature , yeah . 859.66 860.97 862.44 862.99 IS1006c C MIO078 2 859.585 860.483 859.82 860.18 Yeah . 860.18 IS1006c D MIO008 3 860.23 861.883 860.28 861.72 Like a chameleon . 861.72 IS1006c A FIO041 0 862.27 863.107 862.54 862.99 Mm-hmm . 862.99 IS1006c C MIO078 2 862.624 863.12 862.64 863.02 Yeah yeah . 863.02 IS1006c B MIO040 1 864.049 868.352 864.07 868.32 We can make it in fact . If if if the okay . 865.91 868.32 IS1006c A FIO041 0 865.248 873.712 865.36 873.712 Yeah but that's maybe mo too much expensive , yeah . But uh it can be in uh maybe in an a gradable version , but 868.41 869.14 873.44 IS1006c C MIO078 2 865.472 865.824 865.49 865.79 Mm . 865.79 IS1006c D MIO008 3 868.288 868.688 868.32 868.65 Mm-hmm . 868.65 IS1006c B MIO040 1 872.608 874.794 872.64 874.794 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm , so 873.2 874.31 IS1006c C MIO078 2 873.152 873.584 873.18 873.55 Yeah . 873.55 IS1006c D MIO008 3 873.813 878.32 874.11 878.29 Because uh I think there are two kinds of people . Those for which the remote control is uh 875.92 IS1006c D MIO008 3 879.312 902.048 879.35 902.01 is to be uh something useful uh I'm going to talk about this later but and those for which is something that that that uh is uh specific to them so it it's like a signature . My remote control is pink . Nobody else than me has a pink remote control . And that makes me special . 893.28 895.66 900.32 902.01 IS1006c A FIO041 0 898.474 899.04 898.49 898.92 Mm-hmm . 898.92 IS1006c B MIO040 1 898.544 899.024 898.56 898.99 Uh-huh . 898.99 IS1006c A FIO041 0 903.552 911.927 903.57 911.927 Okay and you think that we don't have to make to make them pay more because of uh o or this is - IS1006c D MIO008 3 909.696 913.169 909.696 913.12 I think I think they would be ready p ready to pay more for that . 913.12 IS1006c A FIO041 0 912.944 914.032 912.96 913.99 Okay , so 913.47 IS1006c D MIO008 3 914.064 916.096 914.08 916.06 Those who wanted to have it pink . 916.06 IS1006c A FIO041 0 915.296 919.568 915.44 919.568 so i it's not uh a s base service it's a - IS1006c C MIO078 2 915.472 915.995 915.83 915.995 Uh - IS1006c D MIO008 3 918.208 919.296 918.23 919.26 No mm no . 919.26 IS1006c C MIO078 2 918.72 919.024 918.74 918.99 Mm . 918.99 IS1006c B MIO040 1 919.082 920.944 919.21 920.86 So , be an option , yeah . 919.97 920.66 920.86 IS1006c A FIO041 0 920.516 920.935 920.79 920.89 Mm . 920.89 IS1006c D MIO008 3 920.96 922.318 920.99 922.27 It might be optional , yeah . 921.99 922.27 IS1006c A FIO041 0 921.76 922.286 921.79 922.2 Okay . 922.2 IS1006c C MIO078 2 921.888 925.935 921.91 925.935 But those people will be really few , no ? So like we can those 923.51 923.69 IS1006c D MIO008 3 924.166 934.656 924.54 934.656 The the young people the young people want to be different from their friends . Although similar but have something just slightly better . Pink 928.79 932.54 IS1006c C MIO078 2 928.704 929.008 928.76 928.96 Ah . 928.96 IS1006c A FIO041 0 930.045 930.728 930.11 930.64 Mm-hmm . 930.64 IS1006c C MIO078 2 930.272 930.702 930.3 930.63 Yeah . 930.63 IS1006c A FIO041 0 932.516 939.744 932.7 939.66 So m so maybe that's if that it's a selling point maybe it has to be the base . 939.66 IS1006c C MIO078 2 932.64 934.538 932.7 934.538 Mm . 933.57 IS1006c B MIO040 1 934.91 945.264 934.91 945.22 Yeah , yeah , yeah . But you know if you want to be different you just take your remote control with you all the time . 938.71 939.87 940.16 945.22 IS1006c D MIO008 3 937.075 938.764 937.33 938.71 Mm . Yeah . 938.47 938.71 IS1006c A FIO041 0 945.312 956.499 945.312 956.26 And you'll be different . Uh in the train uh , hello uh no . Want to change my neighbour . 948.22 952.28 955.06 956.26 IS1006c B MIO040 1 946.32 956.517 946.32 956.517 And it makes you different , you know ? Anyone has their remote controls here ? No ? 947.4 948.9 951.07 955.26 IS1006c D MIO008 3 946.268 953.199 946.41 953.199 Yeah , yeah . You always have your remote . Oh , you don't ? Yeah . You don't have your remo 947.15 947.41 948.87 949.06 949.99 950.93 IS1006c D MIO008 3 955.255 978.736 955.46 978.59 Wh you you know like for instance take the iPod . It's a kind of remote control . Uh it's white and it's so white that you see it from any anywhere . It has this distinctive look and feel and look which people seems to like just because it's a colour that we don't usually see in a remote control . White . 957.94 959.86 964.1 977.46 978.59 IS1006c B MIO040 1 961.264 961.753 961.29 961.66 Mm-hmm . 961.66 IS1006c A FIO041 0 964.288 965.076 964.31 964.9 Mm . 964.9 IS1006c B MIO040 1 971.241 971.936 971.38 971.89 Okay . 971.89 IS1006c B MIO040 1 978.288 983.12 978.31 983.07 Uh-huh , uh-huh . Could we integrate something into our remote control , something like light ? 978.93 979.82 982.02 983.07 IS1006c A FIO041 0 978.344 978.96 978.46 978.93 Mm-hmm . 978.93 IS1006c D MIO008 3 979.731 981.017 979.91 980.82 Seems important . 980.82 IS1006c C MIO078 2 982.529 983.136 982.71 983.1 Hmm . 983.1 IS1006c B MIO040 1 984.208 985.888 984.23 985.85 That they can use it in darkness , like . 985.76 985.85 IS1006c D MIO008 3 986.416 988.8 986.45 988.8 Mm glow in the dark , so 988.39 IS1006c B MIO040 1 987.024 988.735 987.04 988.61 Hand light , yeah . 988.21 988.61 IS1006c C MIO078 2 988.72 992.208 988.74 992.17 Yeah maybe like the infrared like we can put some - IS1006c B MIO040 1 990.905 992.976 990.905 992.89 Mm-hmm . 992.89 IS1006c C MIO078 2 993.552 1006.256 993.6 1006.256 radium chips or something so that like at least um yeah . Yeah , that 1001.21 1004.97 IS1006c A FIO041 0 996.928 1005.664 996.95 1005.63 Iradium ? Ah sorry . Mm . 1002.17 1005.5 1005.63 IS1006c B MIO040 1 998.352 1003.024 998.352 1002.93 Okay . Okay . 1002.61 1002.93 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1006.963 1007.872 1006.963 1007.83 Okay . 1007.83 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1008.992 1009.36 1009.01 1009.3 Okay . 1009.3 IS1006c B MIO040 1 1009.056 1023.872 1009.08 1023.83 Okay . S well , let's go on maybe with the presentation . And um the remote control's going to be smart but how smart should it be to not to complicate things too much ? 1009.68 1011.66 1015.06 1023.83 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1009.6 1010.544 1009.69 1010.544 So mm - IS1006c D MIO008 3 1012.587 1017.442 1012.61 1017.442 Yeah . Uh-huh , yeah sure . 1013.56 1014.34 1016.89 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1013.968 1014.416 1014.01 1014.38 Mm-hmm . 1014.38 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1015.92 1016.439 1015.96 1016.28 Oh . 1016.28 IS1006c B MIO040 1 1024.976 1025.824 1025.0 1025.79 And uh - IS1006c B MIO040 1 1028.768 1034.261 1028.83 1034.261 I dunno that's a question to you and to mm to - IS1006c D MIO008 3 1033.232 1050.496 1033.25 1050.45 Well so I heard that uh it seems that speech recognition is something that can be done uh so that's the smartness of the thing . Currently we don't have guns with speech recognition or uh beer cans with speech recognition but we may have remote controls with speech recognition . 1041.86 1050.45 IS1006c B MIO040 1 1041.887 1042.851 1042.08 1042.75 Mm-hmm . 1042.75 IS1006c B MIO040 1 1051.296 1052.864 1051.35 1052.81 Okay , okay . 1052.38 1052.81 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1052.32 1053.901 1052.34 1053.901 I dunno . 1053.81 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1053.024 1056.848 1053.6 1056.848 Mm , that's a nice world . 1053.93 1056.72 IS1006c B MIO040 1 1053.75 1056.268 1053.75 1056.18 So just just just just think about it um . 1056.18 IS1006c B MIO040 1 1057.486 1059.152 1057.486 1059.11 Thank you . 1059.11 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1057.888 1074.763 1057.91 1074.763 Don't touch the remote . But yeah . Are are you saying here that uh the remote controls should be aware of who is using it ? So for instance the young guy would not be able to use it because his father doesn't want . Like with some 1059.92 1061.43 1066.87 1073.92 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1059.376 1059.936 1059.4 1059.89 Okay . 1059.89 IS1006c B MIO040 1 1073.328 1076.561 1073.35 1076.46 Uh yeah I just want to say it should be real smart . 1076.46 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1075.474 1077.504 1075.67 1077.504 Maybe fingerprint recognition or - IS1006c B MIO040 1 1077.759 1084.0 1077.759 1083.96 Voice recognition is quite tough . I say don't use it , and the control just looks . 1080.02 1081.93 1083.96 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1084.08 1084.32 1084.11 1084.25 Mm . 1084.25 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1084.24 1084.72 1084.26 1084.67 Yeah . 1084.67 IS1006c B MIO040 1 1086.8 1088.304 1086.82 1088.27 'Cause I ordered jus - IS1006c D MIO008 3 1086.755 1087.757 1087.03 1087.757 Um - IS1006c D MIO008 3 1089.184 1089.504 1089.21 1089.46 Mm . 1089.46 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1089.68 1092.744 1089.72 1092.744 Uh that mm that could be feasible I guess , like 1092.41 IS1006c B MIO040 1 1089.535 1090.832 1089.76 1090.79 To l to l lock it . 1090.79 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1094.688 1095.008 1094.71 1094.97 Okay . 1094.97 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1094.694 1101.472 1094.79 1101.44 So since we have we want to do some speaker dependent speech recognition uh so we can use yeah . 1101.44 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1100.144 1100.983 1100.16 1100.87 So it could be - IS1006c D MIO008 3 1101.753 1103.065 1101.89 1102.99 smart in that way . 1102.99 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1102.64 1103.92 1102.66 1103.92 Yeah , yeah . 1103.23 1103.48 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1104.288 1104.75 1104.33 1104.6 Mm . 1104.6 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1106.131 1107.003 1106.41 1106.88 Okay . 1106.88 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1107.463 1136.016 1107.92 1135.98 But for instance th I I'm thinking about the other uh uh particularity that the the remote control could have . S since it it knows who is using it , it might also record the kind of uh channels you are u more often using and uh levels of volumes that you're more often uh things like that and provide you ways of using them , I dunno , somehow , I dunno , that might be expensive but 1115.48 1119.12 1132.63 1133.15 1134.08 1134.81 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1124.768 1125.211 1124.79 1125.18 Yeah . 1125.18 IS1006c B MIO040 1 1128.128 1129.264 1128.33 1129.22 Yeah , sure . 1128.69 1129.22 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1128.736 1129.162 1128.76 1129.13 Mm . 1129.13 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1129.488 1129.904 1129.51 1129.87 Yeah . 1129.87 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1134.192 1134.624 1134.21 1134.59 Yeah . 1134.59 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1136.256 1136.672 1136.29 1136.64 Mm-hmm . 1136.64 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1136.912 1137.697 1136.98 1137.697 Uh it's - IS1006c D MIO008 3 1137.28 1145.632 1137.3 1145.632 that might also be a good sales pitch again . The remote that knows you . 1140.59 1145.37 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1139.856 1140.451 1139.88 1140.22 Hmm . 1140.22 IS1006c B MIO040 1 1142.672 1146.048 1142.7 1146.048 Mm-hmm . 1145.63 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1146.832 1147.424 1147.05 1147.38 Okay . 1147.38 IS1006c B MIO040 1 1147.963 1149.54 1148.42 1149.25 Okay , thanks . 1149.0 1149.25 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1149.945 1154.784 1149.945 1154.5 So it's yeah , Marketing Expert . 1152.77 1154.5 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1151.152 1152.006 1151.17 1151.94 My turn ? 1151.94 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1159.014 1160.725 1159.19 1160.58 Okay , it's alright . 1159.57 1160.58 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1160.567 1164.382 1161.21 1164.22 Participant two ? Four , sorry . 1162.75 1163.47 1164.22 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1161.952 1163.449 1161.97 1163.35 Four . 1163.35 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1162.531 1166.176 1162.75 1166.14 Four , I think . Trend , yeah . 1163.13 1165.2 1166.02 1166.14 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1169.632 1172.352 1169.69 1172.17 No uh yes . 1172.17 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1175.072 1205.6 1175.9 1205.5 Okay , so I'm going to talk about trends and um I hope this can help us to to understand l how we should design our remote control . So , next slide please . So first maybe just a small recap on how how do we watch trends so it's not so uh simple you might think that it's easy but uh it's not so simple . Anyway these days uh the best uh source of information is the web as you know , so have to 1176.25 1186.62 1187.1 1188.95 1200.05 1204.03 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1206.656 1236.023 1206.68 1235.88 to go often on the web and look at uh what the others are doing , and ask real people who are using real remote controls every day uh or any other tool that is similar to a remote control which basically is a small device that people have with them , always , like a phone . We can we can use the phone as a as a good uh uh example of where to in be inspired . 1211.28 1224.3 1224.81 1225.89 1235.88 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1236.493 1265.28 1236.67 1265.24 Of course those tha d who are watching the trends are also have also to be inspired because in fact they're not only watching the trends , they're inventing it , they're creating the trend . I hope I'm going to try to help you on that . This is more risky because you're not following the trend , you try to invent it , which means either you succeed and you make a lot of money or you don't and you're out of business . So anyway uh next slide please . 1244.01 1246.15 1247.71 1251.17 1253.54 1255.1 1262.24 1265.24 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1266.393 1292.672 1266.393 1292.36 Uh to be to be quick there's a lot of words here but uh basically there are uh in in the market of of remote controls there are three aspects that we should very pay much attention to . The first one , which seems to be the most important one , is that it has to be fancy , it has to have a fancy look and feel . And uh interestingly this is the very most important thing . It has to be fancy . 1280.44 1281.3 1283.41 1285.44 1288.48 1291.37 1292.36 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1293.664 1345.503 1293.68 1345.14 Strangely enough it's more important to be fancy than to be wi and now that's the second thing it has to be , it has to be technologically i innovative , it has to be new with some of uh new uh technology inside and uh and this is also uh more important than the last thing which we w may think that would have been the most important , which is that it should be easy to use and it should be easy to use as a remote control . So as you see uh it first have to be very nice , s something that people are proud of uh uh that i uh they can be id identified with uh and and then uh something that um contains very novel stuff that they can talk about with their friends , huh , mine has this and not yours . 1300.23 1302.8 1316.39 1321.49 1326.7 1343.07 1343.31 1345.14 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1345.503 1355.689 1345.76 1355.6 And finally of course it has to be useful as a remote control but it seems that it's not so important that it's useful as a remote control . Next slide please . 1354.71 1355.6 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1355.686 1356.001 1355.73 1355.87 Mm . 1355.87 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1356.9 1422.208 1357.24 1422.17 Uh and now in a more uh general uh uh broad way of seeing th uh the thing . If we look back and not uh look at only remote controls I think it's important to see that the trends are quite the same in many areas so currently the the trends that we see in l in l big cities like Paris and Milan , well , it seems that this year things should have uh a fruit and vegetable uh way of of look or feel or so . And I think of course uh i it applies to everything . That's the thing with trends . It it can travel f from clothe to furniture same idea . Fruit and vegetable . Think fruit and vegetable . And uh if we co we compare to last year , now it has to be spongy , yeah . Well this so so I think uh uh i 1365.28 1379.59 1380.03 1393.0 1397.09 1398.86 1404.14 1405.17 1409.98 1412.39 1415.39 1416.2 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1414.0 1414.4 1414.04 1414.37 Mm . 1414.37 IS1006c B MIO040 1 1414.976 1416.16 1415.13 1416.13 What is spongy ? 1416.13 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1416.614 1419.872 1416.81 1419.872 Yeah kind of um maybe - IS1006c D MIO008 3 1423.84 1433.648 1423.89 1433.61 When we were talking about rubber , I think uh the rubber aspect might be important because it's what is probably more feasible in terms of sponginess . 1425.62 1433.61 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1425.84 1426.623 1425.86 1426.623 Yeah it - IS1006c A FIO041 0 1429.6 1430.512 1429.83 1430.48 Mm-hmm . 1430.48 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1430.56 1431.059 1430.59 1430.88 Yeah . 1430.88 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1431.305 1432.377 1431.33 1432.23 S - IS1006c C MIO078 2 1433.519 1433.991 1433.63 1433.92 Yeah . 1433.92 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1433.676 1436.144 1433.72 1435.98 So maybe titanium it's not a good idea . 1435.98 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1436.18 1437.968 1436.31 1437.93 Seems not , seems not . 1437.28 1437.93 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1438.448 1440.52 1438.47 1440.39 We need to think about mm mm . 1440.39 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1439.92 1440.629 1439.96 1440.48 Mm-hmm . 1440.48 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1440.176 1440.696 1440.2 1440.45 Yeah . 1440.45 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1442.848 1444.84 1443.61 1444.84 So - IS1006c A FIO041 0 1443.68 1446.977 1443.76 1446.977 Um sorry Mark . It seems to be 1445.27 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1445.96 1457.12 1446.12 1457.06 Think more of uh something in the colours of uh like fruit and vegetables and spongy , as a even in the shape it has to be more round and uh 1452.58 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1449.952 1450.889 1450.31 1450.68 Fruit . 1450.68 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1452.256 1453.168 1452.36 1453.13 Even shape ? 1453.13 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1455.12 1459.632 1455.12 1459.6 More yeah . 1459.6 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1458.02 1463.472 1458.13 1463.472 more uh uh look natural somehow . I mean 1463.07 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1458.768 1459.683 1459.22 1459.52 Mm-mm . 1459.52 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1462.272 1462.837 1462.29 1462.7 Yeah . 1462.7 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1464.56 1470.56 1464.58 1470.49 And not those futuristic uh remote control with angles and uh and titanium like . 1470.49 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1468.25 1469.024 1468.55 1468.99 Mm-hmm . 1468.99 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1471.056 1471.424 1471.09 1471.37 Mm . 1471.37 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1471.726 1482.064 1471.75 1482.064 So that's what people seem to yeah i I know it's quite far from what you thought but that's that's fashion and - IS1006c A FIO041 0 1471.842 1478.301 1472.07 1478.301 Hmm . You're old-fashioned . Sorry . 1474.52 1475.63 1478.23 IS1006c B MIO040 1 1482.192 1482.88 1482.33 1482.85 Okay . 1482.85 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1485.298 1486.08 1485.79 1486.03 Okay . 1486.03 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1486.279 1488.08 1486.55 1488.01 Okay that's all I have to say . 1488.01 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1488.192 1489.28 1488.22 1489.25 Mm you have questions ? 1489.25 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1489.312 1495.632 1489.33 1495.632 So these abilities are mainly ad addressed by young people ? Or it's 1495.07 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1496.528 1497.568 1496.55 1497.52 These I'm sorry . 1497.52 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1497.728 1501.984 1497.75 1501.984 This you you so did you - IS1006c D MIO008 3 1500.544 1520.626 1500.56 1520.56 Yeah , yeah we have people uh uh listening to the trends everywhere in the world , of course , as you know our company is quite big and uh so I'm just asking them what are the current trends according to them when they go in the stores and when they ask uh their uh friends that are also well . 1501.19 1506.01 1506.38 1520.56 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1503.621 1504.292 1503.8 1504.08 Where ? 1504.08 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1505.44 1510.32 1505.46 1510.28 Oh . Oh , okay , mm-hmm . It's not from mm . 1506.22 1506.29 1507.6 1508.9 1510.28 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1511.269 1511.728 1511.35 1511.69 Mm-hmm . 1511.69 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1514.063 1514.614 1514.08 1514.47 Yeah . 1514.47 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1518.512 1522.852 1518.53 1522.77 Yeah . It's more general trend it's not particular to the remote control . 1519.73 1522.77 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1521.776 1530.544 1522.1 1530.544 No , it's not it's not this this is very general , yeah . But it seems that trends travel across things . The what we 1522.34 1524.61 1525.03 1528.95 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1526.649 1527.32 1526.71 1526.91 Mm . 1526.91 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1528.32 1528.752 1528.35 1528.72 Yeah . 1528.72 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1530.656 1533.728 1530.68 1533.68 Yeah but some materials n they're to be - IS1006c C MIO078 2 1534.72 1540.24 1534.79 1540.21 uh they're to be something like solid like they can't be really spongy or yeah yeah . 1540.21 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1537.206 1553.68 1537.33 1553.68 Sure . Yeah . We have to I think we have to have the look of fruit and vegetables but we still have to put our chips inside , so of course . This is your problem . This is not mine . 1538.01 1538.95 1545.71 1547.62 1550.62 1553.52 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1541.616 1544.245 1541.64 1544.245 yeah , yeah sponge , yeah yeah at least that's 1542.17 1543.23 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1545.872 1552.16 1545.89 1552.13 Yeah yeah that yeah yeah . Yeah . 1551.89 1552.13 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1553.472 1561.824 1553.49 1561.69 Yeah , looking yeah fruit . These things can be easily incorporated . We can have t colours or this shape or at least yeah . 1553.73 1554.93 1557.61 1561.69 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1557.728 1566.24 1557.75 1566.21 Yeah , I think in the colours and in the uh the kind of material . If if it's something like rubber made or I think it it's also going to be good . 1558.1 1561.38 1566.21 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1564.192 1564.672 1564.21 1564.64 Yeah . 1564.64 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1565.127 1565.763 1565.32 1565.72 Mm . 1565.72 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1566.16 1566.56 1566.19 1566.52 Mm . 1566.52 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1567.296 1567.68 1567.32 1567.65 Mm-hmm . 1567.65 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1568.4 1568.928 1568.42 1568.88 Okay ? 1568.88 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1569.145 1569.749 1569.23 1569.59 Yeah . 1569.59 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1569.04 1570.0 1569.4 1569.95 Okay . 1569.95 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1572.702 1573.552 1572.87 1573.52 No more question ? 1573.52 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1575.856 1576.395 1575.91 1576.23 Okay . 1576.23 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1576.157 1578.295 1576.55 1578.16 Yep . Thanks . 1577.21 1578.16 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1578.326 1579.302 1578.44 1579.302 So - IS1006c A FIO041 0 1581.6 1584.76 1581.6 1584.41 Mm-hmm . 1584.41 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1590.156 1621.328 1590.92 1621.24 Okay , so we will have uh next meeting in thirty minutes again . Um now you have to go straight on this individual action which i which are for Rama uh wil design , um Mark the user interface design , and uh Sammy uh the product evaluation . Uh you will work together uh on a new on on a prototype using modelling clay . 1591.4 1595.62 1605.19 1609.49 1614.46 1621.24 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1602.851 1604.896 1603.15 1604.78 Look and feel de - IS1006c D MIO008 3 1614.176 1614.802 1614.2 1614.48 Mm-hmm . 1614.48 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1616.794 1617.448 1617.1 1617.39 Hmm . 1617.39 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1621.76 1622.08 1621.79 1622.04 Hmm . 1622.04 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1623.44 1625.152 1623.47 1625.152 Mm sounds interesting . 1624.59 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1623.936 1626.224 1624.49 1626.16 Mm-hmm um - IS1006c A FIO041 0 1627.612 1633.344 1627.73 1633.31 and I as always your personal coach will send you specific instruction . 1633.31 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1635.616 1636.192 1635.64 1636.15 Okay . 1636.15 IS1006c B MIO040 1 1636.272 1636.848 1636.33 1636.8 Okay . 1636.8 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1639.088 1641.306 1639.11 1641.306 Thanks . 1641.22 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1640.0 1658.736 1640.02 1658.7 So , can we highlight the specific features of our yeah , so so we want the speech recogniser and we want some kind of buttons and we want some themes like fruits or vegetables , that's we want to follow general trend . 1640.57 1645.3 1656.43 1658.7 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1643.216 1646.24 1643.24 1646.24 Yeah you're right , you have to 1644.19 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1656.752 1657.825 1656.86 1657.79 So you say s - IS1006c D MIO008 3 1658.864 1659.744 1658.88 1659.71 Spongy . 1659.71 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1660.08 1664.288 1660.15 1664.25 S do we agree on that ? Yeah . 1664.04 1664.25 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1660.224 1660.528 1660.26 1660.49 Yeah . 1660.49 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1665.552 1666.416 1665.57 1666.13 We have to . 1666.13 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1666.384 1667.664 1666.42 1667.664 So , do you think 1667.01 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1666.925 1677.639 1666.925 1677.639 No , we don't have to , but seems it's the trend . Again , as I said we can also try to make it , to create the trend . So there's no 1669.55 1670.36 1671.86 1672.67 1675.52 1676.69 IS1006c B MIO040 1 1667.345 1670.616 1667.89 1670.616 So we have to uh for - IS1006c A FIO041 0 1670.24 1671.837 1670.26 1671.837 No . 1671.75 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1671.07 1672.612 1671.19 1672.39 Hmm . Yeah . 1672.13 1672.39 IS1006c B MIO040 1 1675.232 1680.616 1675.25 1680.14 yeah so are we confident enough on creating trends ? 1680.14 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1676.769 1677.179 1676.88 1677.07 Yeah . 1677.07 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1680.896 1684.4 1680.92 1683.96 Well , that's you t can try to convince us . 1681.09 1683.96 IS1006c B MIO040 1 1684.66 1696.971 1684.72 1696.971 Well , we can make it smell like fruit . Yeah . 1685.95 1693.83 1696.84 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1688.816 1693.822 1688.87 1693.822 Okay . that's a good idea , I 1691.34 1693.33 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1689.504 1696.496 1689.53 1696.46 Okay , that's a good idea . So titanium smell like fruit . Mm-hmm . 1689.99 1691.54 1696.05 1696.46 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1689.56 1691.835 1689.56 1691.835 That's - IS1006c C MIO078 2 1697.104 1704.18 1697.12 1704.18 So what about location and these things , people are really interesting on those features ? Or they really like 1699.03 1701.99 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1705.696 1706.208 1705.72 1706.208 Uh - IS1006c C MIO078 2 1706.304 1709.945 1706.34 1709.945 They more want these fancy features like - IS1006c D MIO008 3 1708.32 1731.12 1708.34 1731.12 I think i yeah i it's again in this uh what I said first it has to be fancy so I think if nobody else pro provides currently a remote control with that kind of stuff and if we can provide it I think it's a good sell for us because we have it and others don't . It's fancy . Whether it's useful or not doesn't seem to be very important . 1725.93 1727.08 1730.59 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1714.822 1715.25 1715.04 1715.22 Mm-hmm . 1715.22 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1718.512 1719.008 1718.53 1719.008 Feature - IS1006c C MIO078 2 1723.149 1723.712 1723.33 1723.67 Yeah . 1723.67 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1724.407 1725.148 1724.71 1725.03 Yeah . 1725.03 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1725.792 1726.685 1725.81 1726.45 Okay . 1726.45 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1729.904 1730.256 1729.92 1730.11 Yeah . 1730.11 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1730.336 1733.648 1730.36 1733.648 I I agree with uh this uh - IS1006c C MIO078 2 1731.456 1732.226 1731.49 1732.13 Yeah . 1732.13 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1736.122 1743.936 1736.5 1743.84 Now we have to decide on what kind of fanciness . Do we take titanium smelling like fruit , or do we make spongy 1739.59 1742.23 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1744.54 1745.744 1744.6 1745.64 uh fruity-like - IS1006c C MIO078 2 1744.576 1745.008 1744.6 1744.96 Yeah . 1744.96 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1746.128 1749.648 1746.17 1749.61 Uh we will try to explore these two options and yeah yeah . 1749.61 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1747.984 1750.144 1748.01 1749.56 Maybe you could explore the two option . 1749.56 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1748.496 1750.497 1748.52 1750.38 Mm . Yeah , yeah . 1749.22 1749.56 1750.38 IS1006c B MIO040 1 1749.292 1752.784 1749.59 1752.7 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . Could we make a titanium shape ? 1750.17 1751.03 1752.7 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1753.856 1758.704 1753.88 1758.704 Uh yeah at least like we can make banana or - IS1006c B MIO040 1 1754.096 1757.28 1754.12 1757.21 I mean fruit-shaped . 1757.21 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1757.216 1764.478 1757.216 1764.24 Don't you say that you cannot do double shape uh curved shape yeah . 1764.24 IS1006c B MIO040 1 1758.866 1759.389 1758.92 1759.389 But - IS1006c C MIO078 2 1762.688 1773.44 1762.71 1773.39 yeah it's it's yeah that's a we're to look for and and s we're to see the whether rubber is expensive and d - IS1006c B MIO040 1 1762.454 1764.133 1762.74 1764.07 Doub double-curved . 1764.07 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1762.676 1765.136 1762.8 1764.8 Mm . Seems to be . 1763.74 1764.8 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1766.192 1767.253 1766.23 1767.13 Mm-hmm . Okay . 1766.77 1767.13 IS1006c B MIO040 1 1768.64 1769.6 1768.66 1769.56 Okay , okay . 1769.06 1769.56 IS1006c B MIO040 1 1773.2 1775.184 1773.22 1775.15 In fact I just agreed to make uh - IS1006c B MIO040 1 1776.624 1778.496 1776.64 1778.46 to make the like titanium panels - IS1006c B MIO040 1 1779.744 1781.008 1779.94 1780.97 on a whole - IS1006c B MIO040 1 1782.0 1784.0 1782.06 1783.87 rubber body . 1783.87 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1784.64 1784.992 1784.66 1784.95 Hmm . 1784.95 IS1006c B MIO040 1 1785.264 1787.269 1785.28 1787.16 Well , okay w we'll see . 1785.62 1787.16 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1785.68 1796.307 1785.71 1796.307 Mm-mm . Okay , so you explore now that you're going to work together these these two . Or or spongy an yeah . 1786.73 1787.06 1792.2 1796.14 IS1006c B MIO040 1 1790.048 1790.576 1790.07 1790.54 Yeah - IS1006c C MIO078 2 1790.496 1790.865 1790.53 1790.76 Mm . 1790.76 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1794.336 1808.0 1794.36 1808.0 Yeah . Maybe we can have two different assembly also like one spongy and one kind of titanium . we have only the plastic or the the chippy yeah fibre chips or 1795.4 1802.92 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1801.664 1802.048 1801.68 1802.01 Mm . 1802.01 IS1006c B MIO040 1 1805.12 1806.336 1805.14 1806.28 We'll see . We'll see . 1805.89 1806.28 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1805.123 1806.567 1805.45 1806.17 If you have time . 1806.17 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1806.686 1806.999 1806.8 1806.96 Mm . 1806.96 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1808.304 1810.352 1808.32 1810.28 Yeah I don't think w I think we have to choose . 1810.28 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1811.408 1815.747 1811.43 1815.58 If we choose uh titanium or if we choose spongy but uh it cannot be both . 1815.58 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1811.61 1812.188 1811.82 1812.14 Uh . 1812.14 IS1006c B MIO040 1 1814.159 1824.64 1814.5 1824.56 We'll see . I I really don't like this modelling clay 'cause you know it makes some for for I dunno uh yeah um we'll look . 1815.14 1824.56 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1817.152 1817.552 1817.17 1817.5 Yeah . 1817.5 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1818.227 1822.087 1818.227 1821.88 For creation . 1821.88 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1822.066 1822.728 1822.23 1822.63 Yeah . 1822.63 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1824.8 1825.343 1824.82 1825.2 Yeah . 1825.2 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1826.784 1832.495 1826.84 1832.495 Ah you can pretend that it's uh titanium . 1832.2 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1827.472 1830.56 1827.49 1830.56 Even design . 1830.36 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1830.114 1842.098 1830.62 1842.098 You can paint it afterward . No problem . We have a very large department of paint . You will do it . 1833.63 1834.12 1840.22 1841.87 IS1006c B MIO040 1 1832.96 1836.094 1833.49 1835.97 Okay , okay . 1835.39 1835.97 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1837.6 1842.761 1837.62 1842.43 Yeah , do don't worry , you you you speak with mm mm . 1837.89 1838.68 1842.43 IS1006c B MIO040 1 1840.975 1842.464 1841.42 1842.34 Alright , alright . 1842.07 1842.34 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1843.578 1846.896 1843.95 1846.75 Okay . So explore a shape . 1844.99 1846.75 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1851.552 1853.92 1851.57 1853.92 So still we want to keep L_C_D_ ? Or 1853.51 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1854.864 1861.68 1854.91 1861.68 Mm I think it's what we say , that we have an uh an L_C_D_ with uh information . Not uh 1856.78 1860.51 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1856.141 1856.638 1856.31 1856.51 Yeah . 1856.51 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1860.16 1860.991 1860.18 1860.75 Okay . 1860.75 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1860.0 1871.056 1860.53 1870.97 The thing is that uh if we want to have as he says if we want to have uh a small number of buttons we need to have a kind of output that says currently what their actions are . 1870.97 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1866.112 1866.99 1866.13 1866.99 Yeah , then we can 1866.38 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1868.288 1868.818 1868.31 1868.58 Mm-hmm . 1868.58 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1869.872 1873.088 1869.89 1873.088 yeah , yeah , that user friendly or 1871.12 1871.5 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1872.793 1873.264 1872.96 1873.23 Yeah . 1873.23 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1873.312 1873.627 1873.33 1873.46 Mm . 1873.46 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1874.32 1879.248 1874.45 1879.2 That's the converse to having zillions of button where each button does only one thing . 1879.2 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1874.736 1875.122 1874.77 1875.01 Mm . 1875.01 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1876.448 1876.817 1876.47 1876.65 Yeah . 1876.65 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1878.688 1879.074 1878.71 1879.0 Mm . 1879.0 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1879.232 1879.744 1879.36 1879.52 Yeah . 1879.52 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1884.163 1884.74 1884.31 1884.56 Okay . 1884.56 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1884.272 1891.128 1884.31 1891.128 and we just stick with two batteries so it's not any solar or yeah yeah j yeah , because 1890.75 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1887.754 1906.224 1887.92 1906.224 Yeah . Classical , we stay classical in that we don't reinvent uh the wheel . Anyway it's very in general I think people uh change T_V_ more often than batteries of their remote control . So . Because the trend goes faster than the life of the 1888.63 1889.18 1894.03 1901.92 1903.26 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1889.328 1890.56 1889.37 1890.51 Yeah , yeah , yeah . 1889.77 1890.34 1890.51 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1892.288 1894.026 1892.288 1893.93 Yeah . 1893.93 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1892.624 1893.792 1892.79 1893.792 Mm . 1893.74 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1900.114 1903.895 1900.114 1903.74 Yeah . 1903.74 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1905.984 1906.4 1906.0 1906.37 Mm-hmm . 1906.37 IS1006c B MIO040 1 1906.64 1907.371 1906.66 1907.23 Mm-hmm . 1907.23 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1909.414 1910.496 1909.56 1910.496 So it's very - IS1006c A FIO041 0 1910.8 1911.296 1910.92 1911.25 Okay . 1911.25 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1913.728 1914.144 1913.78 1914.1 Okay . 1914.1 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1913.631 1916.062 1913.83 1915.91 So are we mm . 1915.91 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1913.978 1914.74 1914.29 1914.48 Yeah . 1914.48 IS1006c B MIO040 1 1914.324 1915.325 1914.324 1915.13 Yeah . 1915.13 IS1006c D MIO008 3 1915.136 1915.76 1915.25 1915.73 We're done . 1915.73 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1915.536 1916.976 1915.56 1916.94 Yeah , we're done . 1916.03 1916.94 IS1006c A FIO041 0 1917.718 1920.384 1917.718 1920.35 Okay . So see you in thirty minutes . 1918.64 1920.35 IS1006c C MIO078 2 1920.976 1921.406 1921.11 1921.25 Yep . 1921.25 IS1006d A FIO041 0 31.632 32.224 31.66 32.18 Mm . 32.18 IS1006d D MIO008 3 32.688 36.688 32.71 36.688 So , Hi Christa . 35.03 36.22 IS1006d A FIO041 0 33.613 69.408 33.63 69.408 So , uh now it's the Hi Sammy . It's the detail design meeting , so we're going last meeting . So um , first uh Mark and Rama are going to present uh the prototype . Uh then uh Sammy will propose some uh crite cr criteria to evaluate this prototype . Then , w we 34.51 41.4 44.16 48.21 49.72 56.43 64.62 65.43 IS1006d D MIO008 3 64.304 76.32 64.304 76.32 Yes . 75.91 IS1006d B MIO040 1 64.491 71.385 64.491 71.385 Yes . 71.28 IS1006d A FIO041 0 69.408 89.072 69.408 89.03 And then we going to do some finance to see if uh it is uh feasible and uh at the end we will we will um evaluate ourself as a team . And that's all . Okay . So first , let's uh 84.02 86.0 86.24 88.28 IS1006d B MIO040 1 71.862 75.734 71.88 75.734 And chocolate ? 75.67 IS1006d D MIO008 3 85.767 86.27 85.99 86.15 Mm . 86.15 IS1006d A FIO041 0 90.112 91.792 90.13 91.65 see the prototype . 91.65 IS1006d C MIO078 2 91.141 91.775 91.33 91.56 Yeah . 91.56 IS1006d C MIO078 2 92.464 95.088 92.48 94.94 Uh , here we have our prototype model . 92.72 94.94 IS1006d A FIO041 0 95.2 97.809 95.28 97.73 Okay . And you have some slides then ? Yeah . Mm . 95.67 97.11 97.63 97.73 IS1006d D MIO008 3 95.4 95.81 95.4 95.81 . 95.81 IS1006d B MIO040 1 95.382 96.239 95.61 96.06 Mm-hmm . 96.06 IS1006d C MIO078 2 95.86 98.471 95.99 98.42 Yeah . Yeah , we have also some slides . 96.86 97.07 98.42 IS1006d B MIO040 1 97.04 99.168 97.06 99.13 Yes , and place some slides . 97.93 99.13 IS1006d A FIO041 0 98.475 100.816 98.5 100.816 Okay . Uh so in which uh 98.86 IS1006d C MIO078 2 100.8 101.152 100.83 101.152 In - IS1006d B MIO040 1 100.899 102.528 101.01 102.49 Uh , participant three . 101.39 102.49 IS1006d B MIO040 1 102.949 104.288 102.949 104.21 Prototype . 104.21 IS1006d C MIO078 2 105.678 106.125 105.85 106.02 Yeah . 106.02 IS1006d A FIO041 0 107.376 108.194 107.4 108.04 Mm okay . Mm . 107.84 108.04 IS1006d C MIO078 2 108.799 109.469 108.84 109.37 Five . 109.37 IS1006d B MIO040 1 110.256 112.24 110.256 112.19 Uh , so 111.77 IS1006d C MIO078 2 112.707 113.168 112.92 113.13 Him . 113.13 IS1006d B MIO040 1 113.248 114.173 113.3 114.06 this is our - IS1006d B MIO040 1 115.76 116.736 115.78 116.69 remote control . 116.69 IS1006d B MIO040 1 117.776 135.823 117.8 135.63 It's a r working prototype . You can use it now by switching all these buttons . So first , I present as we came to this perfect model , and then we'll give some technical specifications . That's well , so that's that . Please , next slide . 119.42 123.29 123.83 127.78 131.45 133.7 134.81 135.08 135.63 IS1006d D MIO008 3 127.708 128.454 127.86 128.32 Yeah . 128.32 IS1006d A FIO041 0 130.448 131.088 130.69 131.05 Mm-hmm . 131.05 IS1006d B MIO040 1 135.957 152.149 136.52 152.09 We analysed all the fruits and contacted NASA , and uh made some real good Yeah . If you can see this , and the stars are showing that . And um , 141.16 145.78 147.1 151.0 152.09 IS1006d A FIO041 0 143.413 145.408 143.53 145.408 MASA ? 144.97 IS1006d D MIO008 3 152.32 152.736 152.34 152.7 Mm-hmm . 152.7 IS1006d B MIO040 1 153.44 156.72 153.52 156.65 s society will accept that . For sure . 156.07 156.65 IS1006d B MIO040 1 158.032 171.456 158.032 171.32 And making some analysis of different fruits , we choose the ultimate form , ultimate colours , and uh ultimate smell of it . S please , next slide . 163.57 165.53 167.1 170.24 170.57 171.32 IS1006d B MIO040 1 172.865 180.448 172.95 180.41 But we still didn't want to go far from our titanium idea , 'cause it's the most of the moder the m 177.83 IS1006d B MIO040 1 181.616 185.552 181.75 185.5 the modern material we can p select . 185.5 IS1006d B MIO040 1 186.544 188.432 186.94 188.4 And it's practical . 188.4 IS1006d B MIO040 1 189.92 193.592 189.94 193.47 And it's still say it's for our needs , so please press something . 191.39 193.47 IS1006d B MIO040 1 194.56 198.672 194.58 198.672 And as I said , it's perfect . 196.54 198.57 IS1006d C MIO078 2 195.348 200.816 195.348 200.816 . 200.816 IS1006d A FIO041 0 195.648 202.51 195.648 202.51 Okay . 202.41 IS1006d B MIO040 1 198.672 208.352 198.672 208.352 Please press it . Everyone is f really uh really glad to obtain an 202.72 IS1006d C MIO078 2 200.816 202.746 200.84 202.61 Experience . Explanat 201.88 IS1006d D MIO008 3 208.672 211.709 208.69 211.709 Such a nice thing . 211.6 IS1006d C MIO078 2 209.28 210.646 209.3 210.646 See this . 210.41 IS1006d B MIO040 1 209.213 218.791 209.41 218.791 s such a r such a device . So you can touch it with your hands . Sure . Yes . 212.57 215.15 216.27 218.24 IS1006d D MIO008 3 214.336 215.622 214.38 215.54 Can I ? Ho-ho . 215.03 215.54 IS1006d C MIO078 2 215.488 215.872 215.52 215.872 You can - IS1006d A FIO041 0 218.208 219.744 218.23 219.744 What do you say ? 219.47 IS1006d B MIO040 1 219.856 220.144 219.93 219.99 N - IS1006d D MIO008 3 219.936 222.076 219.96 222.076 It says - IS1006d B MIO040 1 220.986 223.296 220.986 222.92 You must say it . 222.92 IS1006d C MIO078 2 221.2 223.975 221.2 223.6 Spongy . 223.6 IS1006d D MIO008 3 222.076 223.426 222.15 223.426 I will uh - IS1006d A FIO041 0 223.504 234.125 223.504 234.125 One day . He 228.65 IS1006d D MIO008 3 224.592 234.992 224.61 234.992 I'll buy it . If I if I need so . Hopefully my daughter will like it . 227.68 230.96 234.74 IS1006d B MIO040 1 225.376 227.904 225.4 227.904 Yeah . 227.57 IS1006d B MIO040 1 233.504 245.552 233.52 245.552 Okay . Y and we got the answer . Uh , it is , yes , of course . , please next slide . Um , this is a prototype . You can have a look at it , and 234.76 236.8 237.01 237.51 238.13 240.16 240.16 242.14 242.41 243.35 245.11 IS1006d D MIO008 3 237.088 239.84 237.11 239.84 Yes , of course . Of c course . 237.47 238.07 239.73 IS1006d D MIO008 3 245.23 245.603 245.25 245.53 Ah . 245.53 IS1006d B MIO040 1 246.784 250.864 246.88 250.83 That's all I wanted to say . Now it's technical specification by our 248.47 IS1006d C MIO078 2 248.396 248.992 248.49 248.73 Hmm . 248.73 IS1006d B MIO040 1 252.686 253.405 252.73 253.27 colleague . 253.27 IS1006d A FIO041 0 252.763 253.392 253.05 253.19 Hmm . 253.19 IS1006d C MIO078 2 256.656 257.467 256.68 257.467 So - IS1006d D MIO008 3 257.616 268.128 257.68 268.128 Oh , there is a button missing . Okay . It's in option . 258.29 260.54 263.92 267.69 IS1006d C MIO078 2 260.496 268.061 260.62 268.061 Yeah . This this is really flexible . You can add your buttons . Yeah . So function , mm 261.26 262.59 265.38 266.64 267.6 IS1006d A FIO041 0 268.102 268.672 268.25 268.63 Mm-hmm . 268.63 IS1006d C MIO078 2 268.624 295.344 268.624 295.31 So , as we discussed , we have to switch on switch off whenever we want . And so , we have buttons and using L_C_D_ , or like you can use this jog wheel and select which ever option on the L_C_D_ , and then do on and off . Then you ha you'll have volume control . So , you you can press these buttons to increase or decrease the volume . 269.37 270.96 274.55 275.36 277.99 284.28 286.98 289.48 289.63 295.31 IS1006d C MIO078 2 296.672 316.672 296.69 316.62 And we have some L_C_D_ controls . Like , m switching the L_C_D_ display if you want to use L_C_D_ , or you don't want you can just use normal button . And we have speech recognition . Here you have microphone , and then it date records your voice , and then it try to recognise . And it can also do the action . 298.83 299.42 302.66 306.3 309.03 310.3 312.91 314.94 316.62 IS1006d A FIO041 0 304.88 305.287 304.9 305.24 Mm-hmm . 305.24 IS1006d D MIO008 3 310.976 311.184 311.0 311.14 Hmm . 311.14 IS1006d C MIO078 2 318.224 335.648 318.24 335.648 And location finder . And we want to do the location basically using speech recogniser . You can just say , where is my remote control . Or uh , you can just give some nickname to your remote control , like Bobby . And then , it will say hi . 320.14 324.12 325.63 326.83 327.53 330.17 332.16 333.02 335.42 IS1006d D MIO008 3 323.856 324.224 323.89 324.18 Mm-hmm . 324.18 IS1006d D MIO008 3 329.376 336.528 329.376 336.528 Hey , babe . Bob . Hey Bob . 330.86 332.71 334.84 336.41 IS1006d A FIO041 0 329.558 338.416 329.558 338.38 Bobby . Mm-hmm . 338.0 338.38 IS1006d C MIO078 2 335.648 340.528 335.648 340.528 Yeah , hi , and then you can use it . 337.09 337.46 340.37 IS1006d D MIO008 3 336.882 339.393 337.04 339.32 Okay , that's good . 338.73 339.32 IS1006d A FIO041 0 339.1 341.232 339.19 341.232 Hmm . 'Kay . 340.24 341.03 IS1006d C MIO078 2 342.24 355.937 342.26 355.85 So , um our team is now fruits . Mainly strawberry . So , you can have And then you can see the look L_C_D_ and all the switches . 342.47 345.89 347.16 347.36 355.85 IS1006d D MIO008 3 348.592 352.253 348.592 352.253 Oh , these are strawberries . 349.51 352.1 IS1006d A FIO041 0 356.371 358.11 356.371 357.99 Are colourful . Yeah . 357.79 357.99 IS1006d C MIO078 2 358.48 361.824 358.48 361.79 Material , we want to stick to titanium . 359.83 361.79 IS1006d C MIO078 2 363.024 370.32 363.04 370.32 We will send , we want to 363.82 IS1006d D MIO008 3 364.112 369.952 364.13 369.92 Fruit smelling spongy titanium . I didn't know it exist , but that's great . 367.89 369.13 369.92 IS1006d C MIO078 2 370.32 372.32 370.58 372.32 Yeah , or s 370.74 IS1006d C MIO078 2 375.632 396.96 375.65 396.93 So , we want to have simple and perfect shapes , like I shown in these phones . You can have your own designs and and you can feel simple designs . And you can choose colours on your day for each day , or even many colours . 376.22 380.11 382.05 390.22 395.13 396.93 IS1006d D MIO008 3 391.712 392.032 391.73 391.91 Ha . 391.91 IS1006d A FIO041 0 394.458 395.457 394.7 395.11 Ho-ho . 395.11 IS1006d D MIO008 3 396.88 399.582 396.9 399.49 You mean we can change the colour uh of th - IS1006d A FIO041 0 397.152 400.673 397.17 400.5 That's for the L_C_D_ or for the titanium ? 400.5 IS1006d C MIO078 2 400.784 401.792 400.92 401.74 For the L_C_D_ . 401.74 IS1006d D MIO008 3 400.912 402.992 400.93 402.84 Yeah . Yeah okay , for the L_C_D_ . 401.72 402.19 402.84 IS1006d C MIO078 2 402.912 406.32 402.93 406.26 With titanium it's it is silver . Yeah . 406.04 406.26 IS1006d D MIO008 3 404.116 405.126 404.14 405.126 Tit titanium is - IS1006d B MIO040 1 405.072 416.311 405.09 416.311 We are still working on titanium . So , r we'll start with L_C_D_ . You can ask Bob . It's Tuesday . 406.84 407.78 409.09 410.66 416.15 IS1006d A FIO041 0 405.445 406.036 405.64 405.97 Mm-mm . 405.97 IS1006d D MIO008 3 406.551 407.088 406.62 407.05 Uh , okay . 406.81 407.05 IS1006d C MIO078 2 407.44 408.806 407.47 408.806 Mm , yeah . 407.54 408.18 IS1006d C MIO078 2 410.576 411.008 410.66 410.97 Yeah . 410.97 IS1006d D MIO008 3 411.358 416.16 411.358 416.16 Yeah , Bob , please . Tuesday colour . 412.45 412.75 414.77 416.09 IS1006d A FIO041 0 411.472 418.72 411.472 418.72 Hey , you know you're theme today . 413.23 418.27 IS1006d C MIO078 2 416.224 422.384 416.24 422.19 Yeah . Even you can configure your colours for its the depending on your mood , or s 416.54 421.75 IS1006d D MIO008 3 416.799 417.358 416.85 417.13 Okay . 417.13 IS1006d A FIO041 0 419.977 420.421 420.05 420.3 Hmm . 420.3 IS1006d D MIO008 3 420.88 421.495 421.03 421.41 Mm-hmm . 421.41 IS1006d D MIO008 3 422.333 428.519 422.333 428.519 Black for Sunday . 428.13 IS1006d C MIO078 2 423.289 428.048 423.289 428.048 And you can have many colours on weekends . Or 427.4 IS1006d A FIO041 0 427.44 430.395 427.46 430.395 And w wait , wh what are the strawberries for ? 428.13 430.29 IS1006d D MIO008 3 431.072 432.544 431.09 432.44 On the L_C_D_ ? Oh . 432.14 432.44 IS1006d A FIO041 0 431.338 432.811 431.338 432.77 Wh wh - IS1006d C MIO078 2 431.29 431.737 431.45 431.59 Huh ? 431.59 IS1006d C MIO078 2 432.296 434.304 432.44 434.27 Ah , these are like sensors . 432.85 434.27 IS1006d D MIO008 3 434.368 443.193 434.368 443.193 Of course . What do you think ? Strawberry sensors . 437.23 438.46 442.81 IS1006d A FIO041 0 434.768 443.888 434.84 443.888 Mm-hmm . 443.78 IS1006d B MIO040 1 437.39 439.413 437.72 439.33 That's location sensors . 439.33 IS1006d D MIO008 3 443.193 444.051 443.29 443.96 Very useful . 443.96 IS1006d A FIO041 0 443.888 446.464 444.03 446.43 Okay . Strawberries . 445.56 446.43 IS1006d C MIO078 2 446.704 452.736 446.72 452.736 So , after this meeting we'll propose a party for our success for 448.04 IS1006d A FIO041 0 451.695 456.208 451.695 456.208 Ah . 455.92 IS1006d D MIO008 3 452.736 456.221 452.76 456.221 Lounge meeting . 455.92 IS1006d C MIO078 2 454.0 460.0 454.0 459.82 So , if you are vegetarian or you have any options , please let us know . 456.34 458.98 459.82 IS1006d B MIO040 1 460.272 463.104 460.29 463.104 Yeah , and we can just some strawberry first . Um 460.54 462.95 IS1006d C MIO078 2 462.4 462.976 462.42 462.76 Yeah . 462.76 IS1006d A FIO041 0 463.024 468.193 463.024 468.193 Okay . Mm-hmm . 467.32 468.03 IS1006d D MIO008 3 462.482 464.681 463.14 464.681 Alright . Good . 463.69 464.52 IS1006d B MIO040 1 464.101 464.772 464.31 464.66 Oops . 464.66 IS1006d C MIO078 2 465.582 466.192 465.81 466.07 S - IS1006d D MIO008 3 467.29 471.584 467.37 471.03 So , huh . Interesting . In interesting . Mm mm . 467.61 468.16 469.14 470.32 471.03 IS1006d A FIO041 0 468.193 479.28 468.193 479.28 Uh we'll see in the financial part if uh all gets into - IS1006d C MIO078 2 468.137 470.528 468.23 470.528 So , any specific questions for 468.41 IS1006d D MIO008 3 475.776 477.16 475.776 477.04 It makes sense . 477.04 IS1006d C MIO078 2 476.256 479.658 476.36 479.658 Yeah . 479.52 IS1006d B MIO040 1 479.36 484.331 479.38 484.331 Let's make a party first maybe . 484.18 IS1006d C MIO078 2 482.496 484.768 482.54 484.768 Yeah . Then we can discuss We can 483.12 IS1006d A FIO041 0 482.56 484.512 482.56 484.33 W - IS1006d A FIO041 0 484.512 488.337 484.54 488.03 Who is the five uh fifty millions we first make a party in ? 488.03 IS1006d D MIO008 3 488.354 489.547 488.38 489.547 So uh , this is 488.87 IS1006d C MIO078 2 488.331 492.368 488.39 492.368 Yeah , then we can have how much for how money is left . 488.56 491.98 IS1006d A FIO041 0 493.488 497.024 493.51 497.024 Mm-hmm . Okay . Uh , so 494.85 495.89 496.48 IS1006d D MIO008 3 494.112 495.256 494.13 495.02 What a design . 495.02 IS1006d D MIO008 3 498.256 504.288 498.256 504.288 It's my turn . Mm-hmm . Let's see if this Yeah , if you meet 500.09 501.07 503.0 IS1006d A FIO041 0 498.631 504.951 498.66 504.951 Let's uh , yeah , let's see if uh th it's meet the evaluation criterium . 499.28 499.59 504.9 IS1006d C MIO078 2 501.744 504.65 501.744 504.65 Yeah . 504.47 IS1006d D MIO008 3 505.728 507.573 505.76 507.42 the evaluation criterion . 507.42 IS1006d A FIO041 0 507.567 508.106 507.66 507.92 Oops . 507.92 IS1006d C MIO078 2 512.224 512.96 512.24 512.75 Fudge . 512.75 IS1006d D MIO008 3 514.917 517.664 514.94 517.45 Yeah . So , evaluation please . 515.35 515.77 517.45 IS1006d D MIO008 3 518.816 535.954 518.84 535.954 So . You made a very nice prototype , and um , I think , we now need altogether to try to evaluate it to see if it makes sense to do it , if it fulfils our what we want to do , and things like that . So mm 519.6 521.82 522.67 522.98 529.82 533.76 534.98 IS1006d D MIO008 3 536.768 538.496 536.94 538.42 Uh , next slide , please . 537.46 538.03 538.42 IS1006d D MIO008 3 539.848 561.36 539.848 561.32 As you know , before going and uh creating and producing these strawberry uh remote control , it's very important to first verify if it makes sense , if we have a chance to sell it . Uh , so we need to evaluate it um , try to do it in a constative way , and as much as we can . 541.16 550.32 552.98 555.28 555.34 557.36 559.75 561.32 IS1006d C MIO078 2 547.536 549.156 547.536 549.09 Yeah . 549.09 IS1006d D MIO008 3 562.64 599.982 562.66 599.87 To so what I propose is that we are going to to have this scale from one to seven . One meaning that , ye yes uh it fulfils uh the the criterion , whatever it is . And seven meaning , no it doesn't fulfil at all . And we're all l going to list all the criterion . I'm going to go to that next slide , and together try to evaluate this according to this criterion and from one to seven . And then we are just going to have an average , which will give us the value of our uh remote control . So , maybe we can have a look at the criteria ? 568.1 569.8 574.01 575.03 576.02 578.03 579.97 582.23 587.92 590.81 596.89 597.81 599.87 IS1006d A FIO041 0 582.08 582.454 582.1 582.42 Okay . 582.42 IS1006d C MIO078 2 602.066 602.923 602.19 602.62 Fancy . 602.62 IS1006d D MIO008 3 602.162 618.077 602.26 617.97 So these are the criterion uh I'm I thought were important . Of course , this can be discussed , but let's let's see , so let's vote . So we have fancy here and we have the scale 606.65 607.45 608.5 612.22 613.38 IS1006d A FIO041 0 620.448 620.864 620.47 620.82 Mm-hmm . 620.82 IS1006d D MIO008 3 620.976 622.912 621.0 622.87 from one to seven - IS1006d D MIO008 3 623.952 625.28 623.99 625.25 with four in the middle . 625.25 IS1006d D MIO008 3 628.773 629.332 628.82 629.19 So , 629.19 IS1006d C MIO078 2 628.74 629.411 628.86 629.15 Huh . 629.15 IS1006d C MIO078 2 630.576 631.796 630.6 631.796 Yeah , what's is really 630.79 IS1006d D MIO008 3 631.2 633.328 631.22 633.328 what do you think , is it fancy ? 631.88 633.05 IS1006d C MIO078 2 632.8 634.889 632.85 634.889 Uh , it's really 633.0 IS1006d A FIO041 0 633.792 637.881 633.81 637.881 Uh , I think that fancy , we can say it is fancy . 634.06 635.24 637.7 IS1006d D MIO008 3 636.272 643.073 636.272 643.073 It is very very fancy . Or have you ever seen something like that ? 638.76 642.9 IS1006d A FIO041 0 641.44 646.256 641.44 646.19 Oh . I am not the d the only one choosing , yeah . Uh what do you think ? 642.31 644.86 645.41 646.19 IS1006d D MIO008 3 644.224 646.091 644.28 646.03 Yeah , of course . What do you think ? 644.45 645.34 646.03 IS1006d B MIO040 1 647.12 647.952 647.14 647.89 Feel the weight . 647.89 IS1006d D MIO008 3 647.173 647.918 647.25 647.918 Is it - IS1006d D MIO008 3 648.176 656.664 648.26 656.55 The weight is later . Now we're We're on the fanciness now . I think it's quite fancy . 651.65 655.42 656.55 IS1006d C MIO078 2 649.455 651.207 649.67 651.17 Yeah . Oh . 650.74 651.17 IS1006d B MIO040 1 650.661 653.294 650.76 653.294 Really . 652.79 IS1006d A FIO041 0 651.424 655.056 651.45 655.056 Uh-huh . 654.86 IS1006d B MIO040 1 653.294 654.016 653.31 653.98 Okay . 653.98 IS1006d C MIO078 2 656.48 658.886 656.5 658.66 Yeah , yeah . We can give at least five or six , seven . 656.66 656.92 658.37 658.66 IS1006d D MIO008 3 656.664 657.936 656.7 657.936 It's uh - IS1006d A FIO041 0 657.054 657.76 657.09 657.73 Yeah . Yeah . 657.55 657.73 IS1006d D MIO008 3 657.936 673.584 657.96 673.32 Yeah , so No it's it's one . Yeah , o one means it's , yes , a very fancy and seven mean no at all . So it's one or two . What do you think ? Two ? Okay . So here , two . Up . Then we have uh technology . 658.33 660.48 660.77 661.9 662.27 665.08 666.74 667.38 668.01 668.73 669.66 670.16 671.48 673.32 IS1006d A FIO041 0 659.584 660.56 659.6 660.53 It's in the other . Yeah . 660.33 660.53 IS1006d C MIO078 2 660.72 662.9 660.74 662.78 Oh , Oh . So Oh , okay . 660.84 660.97 662.27 662.78 IS1006d A FIO041 0 662.749 663.23 662.86 663.14 Mm . 663.14 IS1006d C MIO078 2 663.28 665.021 663.3 665.021 Yeah , okay . Oh , okay . So 663.39 664.26 664.35 664.67 IS1006d A FIO041 0 666.656 668.176 666.76 668.14 Two . Let's say two , yeah . 667.15 667.97 668.14 IS1006d C MIO078 2 666.717 667.744 666.91 667.65 M maybe two . 667.65 IS1006d B MIO040 1 668.096 668.88 668.12 668.76 Two . Two . 668.58 668.76 IS1006d C MIO078 2 671.5 672.496 671.73 672.44 Technology . 672.44 IS1006d C MIO078 2 675.872 676.4 675.89 676.4 Yeah . Um 676.03 IS1006d D MIO008 3 676.272 684.416 676.29 684.35 So , what about technology ? We have uh we have speech recognition , we have location based , we have L_C_D_ . 676.48 677.48 679.69 681.89 684.35 IS1006d C MIO078 2 681.712 682.96 681.73 682.9 And we have L_C_D_ . 682.9 IS1006d C MIO078 2 684.688 687.528 684.71 687.31 So you change colours . 687.31 IS1006d A FIO041 0 684.784 687.043 684.8 686.03 Change colour of t - IS1006d D MIO008 3 685.808 688.24 685.83 688.24 Change colour , I mean that's very 687.1 IS1006d C MIO078 2 688.416 689.072 688.44 689.03 Useful . 689.03 IS1006d A FIO041 0 689.296 690.446 689.33 690.446 Yeah , I think it's a 689.55 IS1006d D MIO008 3 689.504 692.928 689.52 692.86 Quite d I think it's a one for that , at least . At least a one , yeah . 691.45 692.08 692.69 692.86 IS1006d B MIO040 1 689.991 691.184 690.13 691.03 Yeah , yeah , yeah . 690.42 690.71 691.03 IS1006d A FIO041 0 691.36 693.008 691.38 692.8 Yeah . Yeah . 691.55 692.8 IS1006d C MIO078 2 691.504 692.752 691.52 692.65 Yeah , yeah . It's silly . 691.68 691.96 692.65 IS1006d B MIO040 1 691.444 692.301 691.54 692.301 Yeah . Uh 691.76 IS1006d A FIO041 0 693.008 693.328 693.03 693.16 Mm-mm . 693.16 IS1006d D MIO008 3 694.992 696.752 695.01 696.63 Robustness , uh-huh . 696.27 696.63 IS1006d C MIO078 2 696.192 701.793 696.24 701.793 Uh , still we need to cha 696.48 IS1006d D MIO008 3 698.075 711.44 698.075 711.44 So let's suppose my daughter take it and um and through it away . Do you think it makes sense that it's going to live again ? Uh , maybe not the prototype . Let's try . 704.02 706.86 707.96 710.39 711.27 IS1006d A FIO041 0 702.045 704.123 702.045 704.123 Um - IS1006d A FIO041 0 707.744 719.031 707.76 718.9 The strawberries Oh . 718.9 IS1006d C MIO078 2 707.942 716.695 708.06 716.39 Yeah , it Maybe strawberry . 708.43 716.39 IS1006d D MIO008 3 712.56 720.24 712.56 720.21 Oh my god . Okay , we just lost one strawberry . So Not at all ? 715.95 716.24 718.05 720.21 IS1006d B MIO040 1 717.859 727.36 717.93 727.27 No . No . How can I say this . It's still it's still working , and your daughter got a bonus . A strawberry . 719.18 720.12 721.71 723.63 725.87 727.27 IS1006d C MIO078 2 717.888 718.894 718.21 718.85 Oh . 718.85 IS1006d C MIO078 2 721.104 722.4 721.12 722.36 Yeah , we can easily plug it . 721.35 722.36 IS1006d D MIO008 3 723.696 724.171 723.72 724.171 It is - IS1006d D MIO008 3 725.205 727.76 725.27 727.46 Yeah . Yeah . 726.9 727.46 IS1006d D MIO008 3 727.76 730.784 727.79 730.75 So it's not so bad . I um uh I would say three . 729.08 730.75 IS1006d A FIO041 0 728.691 729.653 728.88 729.42 Mm-mm . 729.42 IS1006d C MIO078 2 729.124 729.504 729.14 729.47 Yeah , yeah . 729.28 729.47 IS1006d A FIO041 0 730.816 733.792 730.84 733.76 Yeah . But it's too . It's um robust , yeah . 731.24 732.28 733.6 733.76 IS1006d C MIO078 2 731.632 731.904 731.66 731.87 Yeah . 731.87 IS1006d D MIO008 3 731.66 733.253 731.79 733.21 Yeah , that does make sense , yeah ? 731.93 732.88 733.21 IS1006d C MIO078 2 735.648 736.4 735.67 736.23 Useful ? 736.23 IS1006d D MIO008 3 736.205 750.952 736.28 750.83 Useful . Well , so the question is does it have uh the minimum requirement of re remote control ? So I don't know . These buttons are uh It not clear . But you have at least uh next produce . 738.21 738.46 743.73 744.74 746.7 750.83 IS1006d C MIO078 2 743.265 744.421 743.58 744.421 Yeah , 744.31 IS1006d A FIO041 0 745.568 747.072 745.59 747.04 Oh , yeah , lets me try . 745.89 746.16 747.04 IS1006d A FIO041 0 747.656 748.211 747.82 748.16 Yeah . 748.16 IS1006d C MIO078 2 748.464 748.784 748.48 748.75 Yeah . 748.75 IS1006d A FIO041 0 749.76 751.808 749.78 751.65 What is uh next , please ? 751.28 751.65 IS1006d C MIO078 2 750.96 755.344 750.98 755.344 Yeah , channel . I this is volume control and channel changes . These are the main 751.23 751.65 754.33 IS1006d D MIO008 3 754.064 755.916 754.08 755.83 Uh , it depends on the Okay . 754.11 755.83 IS1006d A FIO041 0 755.568 759.12 755.59 758.75 And you can uh do di two sites ? Yeah . 758.46 758.75 IS1006d C MIO078 2 756.97 757.328 757.16 757.328 You - IS1006d C MIO078 2 758.432 765.765 758.45 765.765 Yeah . Yeah , and you can do on L_C_D_ using these going to scrolling all the option . So if you don't want 759.25 759.43 764.55 IS1006d A FIO041 0 762.304 763.519 762.32 763.2 Okay , also . 762.77 763.2 IS1006d D MIO008 3 764.432 771.259 764.45 771.17 So but , for instance , because the L_C_D_ is not uh touch control , touch screen , you cannot go to channel twenty five directly . 764.68 765.15 767.38 768.03 771.17 IS1006d C MIO078 2 767.29 768.78 767.63 768.53 Yeah , um yeah . 767.76 768.53 IS1006d A FIO041 0 770.528 772.41 770.55 772.41 You can , by using the 771.09 IS1006d C MIO078 2 770.681 771.24 770.84 771.14 Yeah . 771.14 IS1006d B MIO040 1 770.784 771.727 770.89 771.65 You can . 771.65 IS1006d D MIO008 3 772.128 772.624 772.15 772.58 Directly . 772.58 IS1006d B MIO040 1 772.784 794.528 772.8 794.48 You go you So , the basic mode Yeah . So that's simple . The basic mode is uh you got just two buttons and a jog dial . With two buttons , you do this like uh volume up , volume down . Or if you go to the site , it's channel up channel down . And if you want to make to s twenty-five , you push on this . 774.58 776.74 777.47 781.93 782.64 785.16 786.46 787.95 790.54 793.51 794.48 IS1006d A FIO041 0 774.4 776.848 774.42 776.81 You c push here the the yeah . 776.81 IS1006d D MIO008 3 780.0 780.32 780.02 780.28 Yeah . 780.28 IS1006d D MIO008 3 781.856 783.608 782.06 783.51 Oh , it's a jog dial , okay . 782.26 783.12 783.51 IS1006d D MIO008 3 786.0 786.32 786.02 786.28 Uh-huh . 786.28 IS1006d C MIO078 2 786.24 787.339 786.26 786.94 And channel . 786.94 IS1006d D MIO008 3 789.776 790.288 789.82 790.24 Okay . 790.24 IS1006d D MIO008 3 794.608 794.944 794.63 794.9 Yeah . 794.9 IS1006d C MIO078 2 795.035 796.079 795.07 796.02 You can select . 796.02 IS1006d B MIO040 1 795.536 800.213 795.56 800.08 You select twenty , you select five . That's it . 796.67 799.62 800.08 IS1006d D MIO008 3 798.064 800.144 798.064 800.1 Okay . 800.1 IS1006d C MIO078 2 800.16 800.464 800.18 800.42 Yeah mm . 800.42 IS1006d D MIO008 3 801.184 808.27 801.21 808.16 It's much longer than that that being two two five , no ? Don't you think so ? May not okay , we can go . That's uh You're right . 804.57 804.85 806.02 806.62 807.21 808.16 IS1006d B MIO040 1 802.704 803.168 802.82 803.13 No . 803.13 IS1006d C MIO078 2 807.824 811.568 807.84 811.53 Yeah , yeah , yeah . Y you need to like press two and five and Yeah . 808.03 808.16 808.25 811.53 IS1006d D MIO008 3 808.812 815.484 808.84 815.484 That's it's less uh Yeah . But it's it's nice , because people anyway don't go there . But 811.9 813.01 815.01 IS1006d C MIO078 2 815.072 815.888 815.09 815.83 Yeah , yeah . Yeah mm . 815.23 815.64 815.83 IS1006d D MIO008 3 816.832 822.021 816.832 822.021 So what do you think for it , usefulness ? Seems to be useful . 819.66 820.58 821.78 IS1006d C MIO078 2 820.181 828.032 820.53 827.99 So , d Yeah , we need to address we want we only address two main functions here and the other functions will be on L_C_D_ . So 820.7 821.73 827.69 IS1006d A FIO041 0 828.249 836.013 828.249 836.013 Let me understand well , because I'm not sure that's for that this one are b d uh two dir directional button . Yeah , two 830.16 835.16 835.47 IS1006d C MIO078 2 829.315 829.584 829.34 829.584 so - IS1006d D MIO008 3 832.158 832.695 832.32 832.66 Both . 832.66 IS1006d D MIO008 3 834.688 834.96 834.71 834.93 Yeah . 834.93 IS1006d B MIO040 1 835.248 836.496 835.27 836.46 Yeah . Yeah . 836.15 836.46 IS1006d D MIO008 3 835.492 836.014 835.58 835.93 Yeah . 835.93 IS1006d C MIO078 2 835.728 836.032 835.75 836.0 Yeah . 836.0 IS1006d D MIO008 3 836.48 837.824 836.5 837.78 Up down or left right . Yeah . 837.62 837.78 IS1006d A FIO041 0 836.387 836.868 836.53 836.72 Yeah . 836.72 IS1006d C MIO078 2 836.578 837.696 836.68 837.55 Yeah . Up . 837.26 837.55 IS1006d A FIO041 0 837.36 839.856 837.38 839.71 Yeah . And which what is that ? 838.01 839.71 IS1006d D MIO008 3 840.579 841.212 840.69 841.212 That - IS1006d B MIO040 1 840.832 845.888 840.85 845.85 It's a jog dial for controlling the cursor on the L_C_D_ screen . Like , selecting the menus . 844.47 844.67 845.85 IS1006d C MIO078 2 840.96 842.347 840.99 842.24 This is jog wheel . 842.24 IS1006d A FIO041 0 843.472 846.255 843.49 846.255 Okay , okay . It's a kind Oh , okay okay . 843.77 844.21 844.91 846.09 IS1006d C MIO078 2 844.062 844.36 844.09 844.33 Yeah . 844.33 IS1006d C MIO078 2 845.18 849.872 845.21 849.84 Um , see in L_C_D_ , like you will have blocks and you select which one . 846.16 846.83 849.84 IS1006d D MIO008 3 846.264 847.159 846.4 847.1 Cool . 847.1 IS1006d A FIO041 0 848.656 850.398 848.7 850.24 Oh oh okay , great . 850.01 850.24 IS1006d D MIO008 3 850.256 851.52 850.28 851.52 I would say then uh - IS1006d A FIO041 0 851.44 854.738 851.46 854.46 Now it's looks us useful . Yeah . 854.22 854.46 IS1006d D MIO008 3 853.424 856.48 853.44 856.38 Two or three ? Two or three ? Two . 854.81 856.16 856.38 IS1006d C MIO078 2 853.528 853.919 853.71 853.84 Yeah . 853.84 IS1006d C MIO078 2 854.907 855.317 855.07 855.25 Yeah . 855.25 IS1006d C MIO078 2 855.728 860.013 855.75 860.013 Two , maybe . 857.53 859.93 IS1006d A FIO041 0 856.896 860.327 856.896 860.27 Yeah . 860.27 IS1006d D MIO008 3 857.02 858.697 857.11 858.697 Okay , two . 857.47 858.62 IS1006d D MIO008 3 859.416 862.416 859.416 862.27 So size and weight . 862.27 IS1006d C MIO078 2 863.702 864.671 863.82 864.671 Yeah , yeah . 864.28 864.45 IS1006d D MIO008 3 864.992 874.888 865.01 874.77 Is it the the the effective size and weight that the Is it uh real size , real weight ? Or Because it Size is going to be that , yeah ? 869.72 870.54 874.44 874.77 IS1006d C MIO078 2 871.536 873.839 871.56 873.839 Yeah , it's size al almost 871.74 IS1006d C MIO078 2 874.4 882.168 874.42 881.59 Yeah , because it is The weight will be bit lighter . We will s We use titanium . Yeah . 874.89 879.16 881.4 881.59 IS1006d D MIO008 3 875.67 877.385 876.23 877.385 Uh , and and 876.42 IS1006d B MIO040 1 879.84 883.152 879.86 883.12 Sure , without titanium alloy , it's going to be light . 880.26 882.06 883.12 IS1006d A FIO041 0 879.834 880.698 880.48 880.64 Mm-mm . 880.64 IS1006d C MIO078 2 883.184 884.77 883.2 884.74 Yeah . Yeah . 884.48 884.74 IS1006d D MIO008 3 883.424 892.528 883.44 892.528 It's going to be lighter , because this seems to be very heavy f I mean , for my daughter , for instance . Not sure if uh she can use it . 884.36 886.74 887.56 889.69 892.36 IS1006d B MIO040 1 884.517 885.575 884.54 885.4 Of course . 885.4 IS1006d C MIO078 2 886.006 886.826 886.05 886.73 Heavy . Yeah . 886.59 886.73 IS1006d A FIO041 0 887.497 888.089 887.82 888.05 Mm-hmm . 888.05 IS1006d C MIO078 2 888.272 888.612 888.29 888.58 Yeah . 888.58 IS1006d C MIO078 2 892.688 896.064 892.71 896.03 But sides uh , the sides should be okay . . Yeah mm . 893.52 894.74 894.74 896.03 IS1006d D MIO008 3 893.552 895.792 893.64 895.62 So , should be okay . 894.84 895.62 IS1006d D MIO008 3 896.88 905.584 896.9 905.53 Up to three for that , because I'm haven't seen the weight so I must not uh Colour and shape . 898.66 905.53 IS1006d A FIO041 0 898.118 899.078 898.36 899.0 Mm-mm . 899.0 IS1006d B MIO040 1 900.24 901.958 900.26 901.92 Okay . Okay . 901.49 901.92 IS1006d C MIO078 2 900.476 901.035 900.64 900.78 Oh . 900.78 IS1006d A FIO041 0 905.696 906.587 905.696 906.26 Uh-oh . 906.26 IS1006d D MIO008 3 910.192 927.696 910.22 927.63 Well , so colour , it seems that we have the several colours for the L_C_D_ . But um , it's not very clear what is the colour of the sh the sh the case . It's a it's going to be titanium . Okay , okay . That's nice . I think it's good . Okay . 910.6 911.16 915.43 916.37 921.29 923.84 924.04 924.48 926.31 927.15 927.63 IS1006d C MIO078 2 914.752 914.976 914.77 914.94 Yeah . 914.94 IS1006d A FIO041 0 915.296 915.504 915.32 915.47 Yeah . 915.47 IS1006d A FIO041 0 919.52 920.933 919.52 920.86 Yeah . 920.86 IS1006d C MIO078 2 920.672 922.575 920.69 922.36 The case is silver titanium , no ? 922.29 922.36 IS1006d A FIO041 0 921.969 923.448 922.04 923.36 Yeah , it's . 922.28 923.36 IS1006d C MIO078 2 923.656 924.215 923.79 924.03 Yeah . 924.03 IS1006d A FIO041 0 925.168 926.208 925.38 926.17 Let's imagine . 926.17 IS1006d A FIO041 0 927.374 933.952 927.374 933.952 And what about the strawberries on the top ? I'm not convince . But maybe I'm not trendy . But , uh 930.34 931.98 933.44 933.79 IS1006d D MIO008 3 931.872 933.136 931.96 933.136 Yahoo . 933.01 IS1006d D MIO008 3 934.446 939.776 934.446 939.776 Well y you know , it's this uh fruit and vegetable year . So 935.85 939.13 IS1006d C MIO078 2 935.146 935.705 935.24 935.42 Oh . 935.42 IS1006d C MIO078 2 938.608 939.396 938.63 939.25 Yeah , yeah . Yeah . 939.02 939.15 939.25 IS1006d A FIO041 0 938.912 943.489 938.93 943.489 Yeah , but uh uh they're not useful . I I mean it that's uh 939.39 942.09 IS1006d C MIO078 2 941.854 943.066 941.854 943.066 So maybe , I think 942.55 IS1006d D MIO008 3 943.104 956.39 943.12 956.39 Uh , I think usefulness is m as as I rem um just have to remind you that usefulness is much less important than fanciness . Whether it's fancy or not now , it we have to decide . But this If it's 943.21 951.0 952.45 954.2 IS1006d A FIO041 0 947.073 947.665 947.17 947.53 Mm-hmm . 947.53 IS1006d C MIO078 2 947.276 947.776 947.38 947.55 Yeah . 947.55 IS1006d A FIO041 0 950.144 950.884 950.3 950.71 Yep . 950.71 IS1006d C MIO078 2 950.496 951.45 950.52 951.45 Yeah , well 951.05 IS1006d C MIO078 2 952.704 953.425 952.73 953.425 Yeah . Um 952.92 IS1006d A FIO041 0 953.088 953.408 953.11 953.37 Hmm . 953.37 IS1006d A FIO041 0 955.597 961.216 955.73 961.18 I would have m uh i found more fancy that the fruits are useful . 961.18 IS1006d D MIO008 3 961.392 965.872 961.41 965.872 Uh-huh . So , that they will that maybe the fruit may be here instead . 961.74 962.15 965.69 IS1006d A FIO041 0 964.912 965.472 964.93 965.25 Yeah . 965.25 IS1006d D MIO008 3 965.872 978.236 965.872 978.236 . 978.236 IS1006d C MIO078 2 966.048 983.472 966.07 983.472 Yeah , well then it's bit difficult to use . Not like this d We're just giving the fruit for more fanciness and more attraction , too . So , maybe think we can have rubber or some sponges , stuff for strawberries and different colours . So it's Even 966.19 967.98 973.16 973.95 974.76 977.92 981.14 IS1006d A FIO041 0 971.312 973.616 971.33 973.57 Mm-hmm . But the n Yeah . 972.39 973.57 IS1006d A FIO041 0 980.688 981.024 980.72 980.99 Mm . 980.99 IS1006d D MIO008 3 981.808 986.304 981.83 986.304 So , it seems we are not so clear on the shape uh 981.9 IS1006d A FIO041 0 985.44 988.668 985.51 988.668 No , I'm not sure uh why uh if it was like this 985.72 IS1006d C MIO078 2 985.423 987.063 985.63 987.063 These buttons - IS1006d C MIO078 2 989.28 1003.173 989.28 1003.173 But it looks really not really good . I mean , the f Yeah . So these are kind of rubber things . Even if you lose one you can just put whatever . Even we can provide many different colours or different fruits , and 992.63 993.49 995.03 996.61 1000.12 1002.87 IS1006d A FIO041 0 989.738 990.366 989.92 990.31 I - IS1006d A FIO041 0 990.96 994.416 990.98 994.38 It's n no , it's not fancy any more . 993.11 994.38 IS1006d A FIO041 0 997.765 998.431 997.87 998.31 Okay . 998.31 IS1006d B MIO040 1 999.904 1000.842 999.92 1000.842 And - IS1006d A FIO041 0 1001.904 1004.834 1001.93 1004.834 Uh-huh . And different routes . Okay , I see what 1002.4 1003.64 1004.1 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1002.48 1016.532 1002.5 1016.31 Moreover , moreover it covers it covers all the end goals . Even if it is , you know , it's very rounded , but still you got some rubber fruit here , and it's completely uh completely secure to leave it uh with children and that . 1003.12 1006.44 1007.39 1007.69 1008.79 1011.07 1016.31 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1006.048 1006.384 1006.07 1006.35 Yeah . 1006.35 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1010.951 1011.563 1011.09 1011.37 Yeah . 1011.37 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1015.728 1021.408 1015.75 1021.37 Okay , so you you you feel like it's something uh a protection for the remote control . 1016.03 1021.37 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1016.184 1016.817 1016.3 1016.77 Yeah . 1016.77 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1019.072 1031.263 1019.09 1031.263 Yeah . Yeah . Yeah , we've yeah we have sensors here and so here and here , so we just Yeah , so even if you don't put , it works . But this is really fancy . 1020.38 1021.39 1021.61 1024.82 1026.34 1027.33 1028.3 1031.05 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1025.152 1026.028 1025.21 1025.9 Also . 1025.9 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1029.28 1029.696 1029.37 1029.66 Okay . 1029.66 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1029.495 1039.088 1029.74 1039.088 I suggested three . Because uh , everybody s doesn't seem to be convince , although it's quite You have good arguments . But 1032.12 1032.68 1035.18 1038.53 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1031.758 1032.46 1031.86 1032.46 Okay . 1032.3 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1035.519 1037.327 1035.59 1037.01 Okay . Okay . 1036.6 1037.01 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1036.666 1037.337 1036.78 1037.12 Yeah . 1037.12 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1038.064 1038.4 1038.08 1038.37 Yeah . 1038.37 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1039.744 1040.367 1039.77 1040.367 Okay . 1040.2 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1040.944 1052.105 1041.83 1051.97 And uh the last one is adaptive . This is not r maybe not as important as the other one , but uh can we adapt it to each each personal use ? 1044.16 1047.82 1051.97 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1047.344 1047.904 1047.36 1047.87 Yeah . 1047.87 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1052.24 1053.961 1052.26 1053.89 Sure , sure , just look at it . 1052.78 1053.06 1053.89 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1053.857 1067.121 1053.857 1066.94 Great . Fully adaptable . That's Yeah . So you can fit into your palm , okay . That What else can we need ? You Do you think you are gonna be able to do that with ti titanium as well ? 1057.73 1058.76 1059.98 1061.27 1061.96 1063.73 1066.94 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1053.961 1058.624 1053.961 1058.624 It's full adaptable . 1058.27 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1056.68 1059.664 1056.68 1059.664 Wow , that's a 1058.84 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1058.624 1061.355 1058.64 1061.19 Yeah , you can fit it into your palm , you know . 1059.04 1060.73 1061.19 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1061.648 1062.962 1061.67 1062.36 Yea - IS1006d C MIO078 2 1061.216 1064.767 1061.97 1064.767 Yeah . You can Yeah . 1062.81 1064.45 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1066.768 1071.888 1066.79 1071.888 Yeah , it's fudge titanium . You know . Right , yeah . And uh 1067.03 1068.64 1069.34 1069.68 1070.19 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1067.611 1077.319 1067.611 1077.319 It's fudge , yeah , yeah . Yeah , fruit titanium , yeah . Well , I if if this is if you are ready to do that , then I think it deserves a one . 1069.06 1069.33 1069.83 1070.04 1070.9 1071.82 1072.09 1074.38 1077.2 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1069.552 1070.472 1069.57 1070.472 Mm , 1070.18 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1075.374 1078.992 1075.45 1078.992 Yeah . 1078.88 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1077.168 1079.168 1077.19 1079.168 Okay . Let's go for one . 1077.96 1079.03 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1078.465 1080.448 1078.465 1080.4 Okay . 1080.4 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1080.688 1081.028 1080.76 1080.92 Yeah . 1080.92 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1082.16 1084.448 1082.18 1084.448 Now we have to do the average . 1084.39 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1085.264 1088.976 1085.28 1088.94 Three , three , six , eight , eleven . 1085.86 1087.23 1087.63 1088.46 1088.94 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1086.832 1089.36 1086.832 1089.36 Who is good in math ? 1088.87 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1089.04 1090.96 1089.06 1090.91 It's two point one seven . 1090.91 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1091.504 1101.568 1091.81 1101.51 Okay . Two point one seven . That's nice . Two point one seven out of seven . I think we have a good 1093.26 1095.15 1095.89 1099.52 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1098.48 1098.752 1098.5 1098.71 Hmm . 1098.71 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1101.918 1102.477 1101.918 1102.477 . 1102.477 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1102.432 1102.784 1102.45 1102.73 Yeah . 1102.73 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1102.88 1108.465 1102.9 1108.465 good thing . Well , that's all I had to say about the evaluation . So 1104.36 1104.73 1107.96 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1107.984 1109.424 1108.0 1109.23 So it's a good evaluation . 1109.23 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1109.344 1111.328 1109.36 1111.328 It seems to be good , yeah . We have uh 1110.1 1110.66 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1110.125 1110.655 1110.28 1110.6 Yeah . Mm . 1110.51 1110.6 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1110.304 1113.527 1110.32 1113.527 Yeah mm . Yeah , two one one seven , we have . So 1111.32 1111.44 1112.42 1112.84 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1112.167 1112.651 1112.24 1112.51 Yeah . 1112.51 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1113.006 1113.577 1113.15 1113.52 Mm-mm . 1113.52 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1113.232 1115.472 1113.25 1115.44 Yeah . Okay . Thanks . 1113.99 1115.07 1115.44 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1116.816 1123.08 1116.816 1123.03 Okay . So now , it has to fulfil the financial criterium ? 1117.86 1118.7 1123.03 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1121.376 1122.12 1121.4 1121.86 Financi - IS1006d D MIO008 3 1123.472 1123.872 1123.49 1123.78 Ah-ha . 1123.78 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1124.968 1129.106 1124.99 1129.106 So , I have an Here . Um 1125.62 1128.41 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1129.106 1130.7 1129.106 1130.7 . 1130.7 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1134.272 1137.28 1134.3 1136.93 Energy . Uh , we use bat 1135.28 1135.57 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1134.559 1138.752 1134.58 1138.72 So so how many batteries do we need ? One battery ? 1138.04 1138.72 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1137.28 1139.17 1137.31 1139.02 One battery . Yep . 1138.91 1139.02 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1139.072 1140.528 1139.09 1140.49 Okay , so two . 1139.54 1140.49 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1139.952 1140.224 1139.99 1140.19 Good . 1140.19 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1141.392 1141.888 1141.41 1141.84 Why two ? 1141.84 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1143.904 1145.486 1143.94 1145.4 Oh , we just need one , I guess . 1144.05 1144.88 1145.4 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1144.208 1148.352 1144.208 1148.31 Say no . No , ne never install . 1146.49 1147.08 1148.31 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1148.272 1149.232 1148.3 1149.232 Uh-huh . 1148.98 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1149.344 1150.464 1149.36 1150.42 Two batteries or one ? 1150.42 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1151.078 1151.568 1151.078 1151.53 Oh . 1151.53 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1152.16 1154.207 1152.18 1153.97 No , number is one . We need only one battery . 1152.31 1152.99 1153.97 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1153.648 1154.224 1153.67 1154.1 Only one . 1154.1 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1153.872 1158.103 1153.89 1158.03 Yeah yeah , but the price is two . Oh , number . Sorry sorry sorry . I'm sorry . 1154.25 1155.94 1156.05 1156.56 1157.55 1158.03 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1155.648 1157.776 1155.67 1157.46 No , no . But no , no . No , no way . 1155.82 1156.16 1156.47 1156.8 1156.86 1157.46 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1156.196 1158.688 1156.25 1158.6 No , uh you just Number . Yeah . 1156.34 1158.44 1158.6 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1156.606 1157.395 1156.71 1157.28 Number , number . 1157.05 1157.28 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1157.776 1162.224 1157.8 1162.224 Yeah . You never use uh Excel ? Good . 1159.01 1161.33 1162.1 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1158.103 1160.464 1158.12 1160.37 Yeah . Yeah . Oh . 1158.97 1160.01 1160.37 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1160.464 1162.016 1160.49 1162.016 No , never . 1160.82 1161.8 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1161.424 1165.438 1161.44 1165.438 How What what's the limit ? 1165.17 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1163.168 1167.12 1163.168 1167.12 H - IS1006d D MIO008 3 1163.472 1166.896 1163.472 1166.86 It's twelve bucks . 1166.86 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1165.438 1177.872 1165.91 1177.872 Uh , it's it's okay that I don't know , 'cause uh it's not my field . Twelve bucks . Okay , now Mm-hmm . Check that number also . 1166.4 1167.76 1169.31 1170.48 1170.93 1173.01 1177.62 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1169.984 1172.0 1170.0 1171.96 Twelve bucks . Twelve and a half , I think . 1170.8 1171.51 1171.96 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1172.665 1173.44 1172.78 1173.44 So we - IS1006d D MIO008 3 1173.097 1173.656 1173.23 1173.46 Okay . 1173.46 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1173.936 1180.044 1173.936 1180.044 Okay , electronics . So 1178.41 1179.59 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1179.296 1192.688 1179.32 1192.688 We have sample chip . Uh , like simple chip , yeah . So , yeah . Yeah . Four buttons at least . And then we have the t sample speaker sensor for speech recognition . 1180.94 1181.13 1182.2 1182.39 1183.25 1184.17 1184.64 1186.92 1192.63 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1181.184 1183.968 1181.2 1183.93 It's a simple chip ? Simple chip , okay . One . 1182.31 1183.0 1183.58 1183.93 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1185.936 1186.256 1185.96 1186.22 Okay . 1186.22 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1186.476 1187.29 1186.52 1187.29 Okay . 1187.07 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1187.956 1189.176 1188.13 1189.176 And for the - IS1006d A FIO041 0 1192.976 1193.728 1193.0 1193.69 One also . 1193.69 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1193.68 1195.712 1193.7 1195.66 One or two ? One ? Okay . 1194.13 1195.31 1195.66 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1193.712 1195.456 1193.73 1195.42 Yeah , one to one . Yeah , one . 1193.92 1194.94 1195.1 1195.42 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1196.816 1199.712 1196.84 1199.67 So the case , which one uh is it in the end ? 1197.79 1199.67 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1200.768 1203.735 1200.81 1203.57 Yeah , I think we will go for a single curve , no ? 1200.99 1203.46 1203.57 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1203.664 1205.115 1203.95 1205.05 Let's do a single curve . 1205.05 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1204.72 1205.728 1204.74 1205.728 Oh , is 1204.92 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1205.264 1206.224 1205.28 1206.06 It's it's flat . 1206.06 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1206.384 1208.208 1206.4 1208.17 It's flat , and curved . 1207.59 1208.17 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1206.784 1209.639 1206.784 1209.58 Oh . Oh , okay . 1207.99 1208.86 1209.58 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1208.628 1218.974 1208.66 1218.974 I thought you can curve somebody . 1218.78 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1208.646 1209.54 1208.73 1209.29 It's flat . 1209.29 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1210.211 1217.702 1210.211 1217.702 But it is flat , you Look . It's curvable , but it's not curved . 1212.01 1213.15 1213.94 1217.13 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1211.264 1216.328 1211.51 1216.328 It's curvable . 1216.23 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1216.328 1221.001 1216.35 1220.8 Maybe there is a supplement for that , no ? It's only curve ? Okay , let's go . 1218.23 1219.03 1220.14 1220.41 1220.8 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1218.974 1223.28 1218.99 1223.24 Mm-hmm . Oh see , I I think that the the price is this one . 1220.33 1220.59 1223.24 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1220.977 1222.594 1221.55 1222.594 Yeah . 1222.46 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1221.844 1230.732 1221.844 1230.65 This Okay , you d We tried , we tried . 1224.28 1230.1 1230.65 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1224.384 1231.456 1224.41 1231.456 Yeah , yeah . Don't chip on me . 1224.81 1224.98 1231.11 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1230.963 1231.564 1231.2 1231.42 Oh . 1231.42 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1231.664 1233.135 1231.69 1232.83 Oh , okay . 1231.78 1232.83 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1232.384 1236.688 1232.46 1236.64 So , what is it ? T titanium ? Mm , that's expensive . Mm-hmm . 1232.82 1233.45 1235.23 1235.41 1236.28 1236.64 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1232.829 1233.552 1232.85 1233.52 Titanium . 1233.52 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1234.672 1235.344 1234.72 1235.31 Mm-hmm . 1235.31 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1234.886 1235.669 1234.95 1235.43 Mm . 1235.43 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1236.192 1237.024 1236.192 1236.97 Mm-mm . 1236.97 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1236.992 1237.44 1237.01 1237.41 Mm . 1237.41 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1237.766 1246.209 1237.766 1246.209 Yeah . But she wanted u the fudge titanium . I think it's five , but you don't say . 1239.2 1241.9 1242.81 1246.07 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1239.312 1240.85 1239.33 1240.85 Okay . 1240.68 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1240.768 1241.534 1240.79 1241.534 Yeah , well 1241.0 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1241.219 1248.188 1241.219 1248.188 Let's stick to s titan . Special colour ? No because uh 1245.9 1246.74 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1246.864 1248.576 1246.88 1248.54 Well , n Why three ? Why three ? 1247.15 1247.92 1248.54 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1247.152 1248.018 1247.17 1247.94 No , only one , no ? 1247.29 1247.75 1247.94 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1247.652 1248.095 1247.8 1247.99 Mm . 1247.99 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1248.784 1252.368 1248.8 1252.31 Oh , sorry . Again , I'm See it . 1248.98 1249.5 1250.31 1252.31 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1250.016 1252.416 1250.04 1252.416 Yeah . 1252.36 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1250.181 1250.595 1250.27 1250.595 Um - IS1006d A FIO041 0 1252.368 1255.472 1252.45 1255.472 Special colour , or it's only on the 1254.25 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1252.464 1253.677 1252.48 1253.53 Interface . 1253.53 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1254.016 1254.32 1254.16 1254.28 Oh . 1254.28 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1255.92 1257.85 1255.94 1257.76 Yes , in L_C_D_ display . Ok 1256.22 1257.41 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1257.568 1261.904 1257.59 1261.84 Yeah , but there is no colour here . So I put it here . 1257.81 1260.85 1261.84 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1259.52 1261.384 1259.54 1261.26 Yeah , an Yeah . 1259.7 1261.26 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1264.384 1265.328 1264.4 1265.25 Push-button . 1265.25 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1265.776 1266.592 1265.8 1266.592 So the L_C_D_ - IS1006d A FIO041 0 1267.152 1269.728 1267.17 1269.68 How many push-button ? Three or two ? 1268.54 1269.68 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1267.215 1267.93 1267.25 1267.73 Scro - IS1006d C MIO078 2 1269.095 1270.176 1269.14 1270.13 Uh , two . 1269.91 1270.13 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1271.376 1271.6 1271.4 1271.55 Two . 1271.55 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1271.92 1273.584 1271.94 1273.54 Is there The scroll-wheel , okay . 1273.18 1273.54 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1273.536 1273.776 1273.56 1273.73 Yeah . 1273.73 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1273.472 1273.882 1273.56 1273.76 Yeah . 1273.76 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1276.611 1277.958 1276.66 1277.92 It's going to be expensive . 1277.92 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1277.04 1280.64 1277.06 1280.47 One scroll wheel . One L_C_D_ 1279.45 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1281.904 1282.576 1281.94 1282.54 displayed . 1282.54 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1283.2 1284.736 1283.22 1284.67 Okay . 1284.67 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1287.752 1288.787 1287.85 1288.787 Um - IS1006d A FIO041 0 1291.632 1294.608 1291.65 1294.57 That's that's not We choose this one , and not this one . 1293.9 1294.57 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1291.621 1292.873 1291.67 1292.75 That's all ? No . 1292.28 1292.75 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1292.332 1292.933 1292.54 1292.89 Yeah . 1292.89 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1294.688 1302.272 1294.72 1302.21 Oh , I think , no it's Uh , is it a scroll wheel and pe push button , th this centre one ? Or only only scroll wheel , okay . 1294.98 1295.31 1295.97 1298.43 1300.03 1301.88 1302.21 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1296.128 1297.037 1296.15 1296.86 Yeah , it's cheaper . 1296.24 1296.86 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1298.816 1300.064 1298.84 1300.03 Or only a scroll-wheel . 1300.03 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1298.873 1299.587 1298.99 1299.19 Yeah . 1299.19 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1300.256 1301.936 1300.28 1301.9 Only scroll wheel . Yeah mm . 1301.59 1301.9 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1303.712 1304.32 1303.73 1304.32 So - IS1006d D MIO008 3 1304.211 1309.136 1304.211 1308.99 You are trying to make make up make us up . 1308.99 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1304.464 1313.44 1304.464 1313.33 You try to s No , no , no . Because how do you do to y select ? 1307.15 1307.62 1308.31 1313.33 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1307.68 1308.336 1307.71 1308.336 It's already - IS1006d C MIO078 2 1313.669 1314.729 1313.669 1314.62 Ah . 1314.62 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1313.648 1316.422 1313.67 1316.34 No , but you select with the two d the other two buttons , no ? 1313.77 1316.02 1316.34 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1315.556 1316.534 1315.87 1316.33 Y ye - IS1006d A FIO041 0 1315.888 1320.544 1315.91 1320.544 Yeah , I mean you you go on the location with your scroll wheel and then you 1316.09 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1316.72 1317.503 1316.77 1317.12 That's true . 1317.12 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1318.882 1319.441 1319.04 1319.31 Yeah . 1319.31 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1318.977 1328.848 1319.21 1328.848 Yeah . Then it automatically we can just do like you feel , it goes . And it will activate Um , plus , yeah , it's price is really 1319.96 1323.08 1323.5 1326.09 1326.68 1326.81 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1320.596 1321.118 1320.66 1320.92 Yeah . 1320.92 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1323.2 1330.578 1323.23 1330.578 Stay longer . Okay . Oops . Okay , okay . Um 1324.2 1325.47 1328.07 1328.44 1329.65 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1323.577 1324.912 1323.72 1324.88 It should stay . Yeah . 1324.43 1324.88 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1329.965 1331.36 1330.06 1331.3 Special colours , yeah . 1331.12 1331.3 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1331.68 1332.048 1331.71 1332.01 Mm-hmm . 1332.01 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1332.048 1332.832 1332.07 1332.8 For buttons . 1332.8 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1331.6 1332.427 1332.15 1332.27 Okay . 1332.27 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1333.6 1336.208 1333.62 1336.17 Yeah , buttons and strawberries . Yeah . 1333.81 1335.98 1336.17 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1333.61 1335.851 1333.63 1335.78 No , buttons just normal . 1334.57 1335.78 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1339.181 1340.256 1339.2 1340.22 Special form . 1340.22 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1340.432 1342.144 1340.45 1342.11 You you have all of these , no ? 1341.93 1342.11 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1342.624 1348.913 1342.624 1348.73 She's very hard on this . Special colour ? 1347.79 1348.73 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1345.984 1349.856 1345.984 1349.856 Mm maybe n not this one but - IS1006d D MIO008 3 1350.048 1352.432 1350.07 1352.4 Yeah . No . Special material ? 1350.76 1351.15 1352.4 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1353.152 1354.536 1353.19 1354.43 Uh , we have titan 1353.43 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1353.439 1356.142 1353.64 1355.79 That's for buttons . But buttons are standard . 1354.54 1355.79 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1355.184 1358.857 1355.2 1358.73 Yeah , buttons are the standard buttons . Yeah . It's only buttons , these . 1355.43 1357.09 1357.33 1358.42 1358.73 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1358.464 1359.584 1358.49 1359.584 Yeah , so 1359.07 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1359.776 1363.392 1359.8 1363.21 Nothing special . Okay . So we are at seventeen dot eight . 1361.08 1361.63 1363.21 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1360.928 1361.28 1360.95 1361.24 Yeah . 1361.24 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1363.743 1366.112 1363.82 1366.08 Not special colours an interest in ? 1366.08 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1366.112 1367.792 1366.23 1367.76 No , the colour is in the L_C_D_ . 1366.32 1367.76 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1368.192 1370.653 1368.192 1370.57 And buttons are not colourised ? 1370.57 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1372.043 1373.466 1372.13 1373.33 They are m - IS1006d D MIO008 3 1371.975 1373.317 1372.14 1372.77 I no . 1372.77 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1372.208 1378.08 1372.23 1378.08 Mm , hmm , I think uh because you can just go for a good colours . Yeah , and uh 1372.79 1373.13 1376.79 1377.61 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1375.36 1381.001 1375.38 1381.001 We can just use this red . It's 1377.5 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1378.752 1383.6 1378.77 1383.15 Boo-hoo . It's already too expensive . Apparently . 1380.38 1382.55 1383.15 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1382.019 1382.507 1382.07 1382.46 Yeah . 1382.46 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1383.456 1389.76 1383.48 1389.72 So what is Are we supposed to cut things out now ? Uh , until we get twelve fifty . 1387.31 1387.51 1389.72 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1385.913 1386.626 1386.02 1386.56 Yeah . Mm . 1386.36 1386.56 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1388.607 1389.642 1388.8 1389.48 Mm-hmm . Mm . 1389.4 1389.48 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1389.808 1390.752 1389.98 1390.752 Oh . 1390.49 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1394.736 1398.32 1394.736 1398.28 So think of what we can cut uh here . 1398.28 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1398.976 1400.56 1398.976 1400.44 Well , 1400.44 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1402.656 1408.016 1402.68 1407.98 if I look at what is the most expensive things , uh it's the L_C_D_ and the speaker . 1404.85 1407.98 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1406.414 1408.8 1406.43 1408.77 Sample speaker . Yeah . 1408.43 1408.77 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1410.185 1412.966 1410.21 1412.64 Apparently , we have to choose one or the other . 1410.72 1412.64 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1413.032 1413.807 1413.23 1413.54 Yeah . 1413.54 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1413.344 1413.914 1413.36 1413.68 Yeah . 1413.68 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1414.464 1415.184 1414.63 1415.05 Yeah . 1415.05 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1416.368 1424.816 1416.41 1424.78 Well , as you may know there's some research done in the field of producing energy from mechanical eng , I mean , producing electricity from mechanical energy . 1417.07 1422.48 1422.76 1424.78 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1425.808 1430.928 1425.84 1430.62 So , the point is that when you take device and push the button , you produce enough energy 1426.15 1429.15 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1432.38 1434.592 1432.52 1434.44 But you don't need a battery ? Mm . 1434.37 1434.44 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1432.668 1437.984 1432.89 1437.86 to make electricity . Yeah , that you don't need a battery . So , it's something like hand dynamo robot . 1434.06 1434.33 1435.93 1436.08 1437.86 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1435.584 1436.032 1435.62 1435.96 Mm-hmm . 1435.96 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1439.36 1441.552 1439.39 1441.5 A real high-tech version of it . 1441.5 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1442.192 1443.08 1442.22 1443.08 So that would - IS1006d A FIO041 0 1442.099 1446.016 1442.31 1445.98 But um it's like the hand dynamo , no ? 1445.84 1445.98 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1446.528 1449.16 1446.55 1449.07 Maybe the jog wheel can be like kind of hand - IS1006d D MIO008 3 1448.336 1455.601 1448.36 1455.5 So , but if we select the hand dynamo it's okay , we only We we win one . That's already that . Okay , let's do that . 1448.5 1450.54 1453.33 1454.34 1454.85 1455.5 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1451.424 1452.302 1451.424 1452.302 is - IS1006d B MIO040 1 1452.896 1454.072 1452.99 1453.89 Okay , but l 1453.52 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1452.898 1453.537 1452.99 1453.29 Yeah . 1453.29 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1453.222 1455.84 1453.94 1455.8 Uh it's a it's a beginning . Okay . 1455.43 1455.8 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1454.853 1455.454 1455.0 1455.38 Yeah . 1455.38 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1455.024 1456.294 1455.04 1456.12 Why not . Let's do that . 1455.59 1456.12 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1457.04 1457.304 1457.06 1457.304 So - IS1006d A FIO041 0 1459.152 1460.823 1459.18 1460.63 One here and here . 1460.63 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1459.063 1460.943 1459.27 1460.68 Yeah , just remo 1459.45 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1462.228 1462.857 1462.44 1462.64 'Kay . 1462.64 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1463.504 1476.832 1463.52 1476.832 And I propose to So uh , about chips . Advanced chip on print , right ? So , put minus one there , please . 1467.2 1468.14 1470.05 1470.94 1471.11 1472.32 1476.76 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1463.462 1463.971 1463.59 1463.82 S - IS1006d A FIO041 0 1470.352 1470.752 1470.39 1470.7 Mm-hmm . 1470.7 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1472.528 1476.16 1472.528 1476.02 I'm not sure if this is legal . 1476.02 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1472.864 1479.767 1472.864 1479.767 Mm . That's right . 1477.31 1479.69 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1473.708 1474.288 1473.86 1474.12 Yeah . 1474.12 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1476.832 1477.506 1476.85 1477.27 Why not ? 1477.27 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1481.28 1482.304 1481.31 1482.12 Uh , no . 1481.68 1482.12 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1482.24 1482.832 1482.26 1482.67 And ? 1482.67 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1482.458 1483.092 1482.59 1483.0 And ? 1483.0 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1483.808 1488.208 1483.83 1488.208 M maybe minus uh three , no ? 1487.17 1488.12 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1486.72 1489.175 1486.78 1489.05 No . Okay , let's see . 1488.2 1488.75 1489.05 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1486.735 1487.262 1486.87 1487.02 Yeah . 1487.02 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1488.304 1490.344 1488.32 1490.31 So , was there result ? Let's have a look . 1488.62 1489.58 1490.31 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1488.239 1489.442 1488.36 1489.442 No , no . It's not 1488.48 1488.6 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1488.869 1492.389 1488.869 1492.14 Mm-hmm . Mm . 1491.98 1492.14 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1490.352 1492.027 1490.37 1491.99 It's not changing , no ? It you don't 1491.08 1491.34 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1491.328 1495.664 1491.35 1495.63 Yeah , yeah , yeah , if Click somewhere , you'll see features . Yes , it does . 1491.5 1491.7 1491.8 1492.79 1494.63 1495.1 1495.63 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1491.504 1492.013 1491.52 1491.96 Why ? 1491.96 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1494.272 1495.018 1494.39 1494.86 Oops . 1494.86 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1495.281 1506.64 1495.281 1506.61 So Oh , sorry . Mm-hmm . 1505.82 1506.29 1506.61 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1496.72 1502.624 1496.81 1502.624 Maybe put minus two , so it looks uh more reasonable . 1498.03 1502.5 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1502.592 1503.776 1502.61 1503.67 Yeah . Why not . 1503.29 1503.67 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1504.16 1506.616 1504.18 1506.44 Yeah , anyway No , minus two . 1504.85 1505.6 1506.44 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1505.601 1506.533 1505.76 1506.44 Minus . 1506.44 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1507.744 1515.036 1507.77 1514.71 Nobody will know . It's not recorded , is it ? Okay , we're on time . Good . 1509.92 1510.8 1513.17 1513.48 1514.32 1514.71 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1508.784 1514.208 1508.8 1514.208 Mm . 1514.03 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1511.984 1512.788 1512.2 1512.66 Good . 1512.66 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1514.208 1515.432 1514.208 1515.16 Okay . 1515.16 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1514.96 1521.18 1515.0 1520.86 So now on , we can increase our Still you have two more . Maybe we can use it for our party . 1515.52 1519.3 1520.86 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1519.216 1526.288 1519.24 1526.288 Oh , we can put uh a hand dynamo and a battery if you want . Oh . Both its it's cool . 1519.4 1522.46 1524.37 1526.08 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1521.887 1524.264 1522.03 1524.09 And a battery and a battery , yeah . 1523.67 1524.09 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1522.608 1522.998 1522.63 1522.96 Yeah . 1522.96 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1524.032 1524.448 1524.06 1524.41 Yeah , yeah . 1524.23 1524.41 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1526.608 1529.935 1526.78 1529.935 No , now we are exp exceeding I think . It 1526.97 1529.66 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1528.112 1534.317 1528.13 1534.317 Now it's fancy , let's add one instead of two . 1529.48 1534.23 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1529.464 1530.441 1529.59 1530.441 Yeah , that 1529.93 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1529.427 1530.537 1529.69 1530.46 Mm . 1530.46 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1530.83 1531.985 1530.98 1531.985 Is it ? 1531.84 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1531.936 1535.584 1531.936 1535.39 Yeah , yeah y 1534.53 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1533.136 1535.448 1533.16 1535.448 I think we're exceeding now . We have to remove the 1534.19 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1534.4 1536.064 1534.42 1536.0 No , but point five point three . 1534.52 1536.0 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1536.384 1547.792 1536.41 1547.73 Uh , it's better . I think they are counting uh We would prefer , yeah . Maximum is maximum . So , remove one of them . Yeah . Okay . Okay , we're uh on target . 1537.2 1537.75 1540.93 1541.27 1542.47 1542.67 1543.99 1545.19 1546.27 1546.51 1547.73 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1536.596 1537.423 1536.71 1537.05 Okay . 1537.05 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1539.168 1543.222 1539.19 1543.222 Yeah . Mm . It's maximum and don't have to Yeah , yeah . Uh 1539.71 1539.93 1542.29 1542.64 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1539.664 1541.776 1539.7 1541.74 Is really strict ? Oh . 1541.4 1541.74 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1542.536 1543.25 1542.73 1543.16 Oh yeah . 1543.16 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1546.144 1548.064 1546.84 1547.62 Uh , mm-mm . 1547.21 1547.62 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1548.064 1555.259 1548.1 1555.259 Yeah . Mm . Okay . Mm . So target reached . 1548.39 1548.86 1549.31 1549.95 1555.21 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1552.144 1558.08 1552.16 1557.87 I'm just curious to see this uh my address chip on print . 1557.87 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1554.064 1558.811 1554.064 1558.811 Ho - IS1006d A FIO041 0 1557.12 1562.512 1557.12 1562.512 It's um English uh Yeah . 1562.45 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1560.864 1570.816 1560.88 1570.816 Trick . Uh , I would say it's the Russian trick , but Anyway No , they may have some their origins , strange origins 1562.54 1562.68 1564.17 1567.86 1569.68 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1564.496 1569.056 1564.496 1569.056 Yeah , but uh is uh English . So Mm . 1565.33 1567.18 1568.93 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1567.947 1569.488 1568.08 1569.488 Oh . Uh 1568.62 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1568.045 1569.936 1568.11 1569.9 Well , I don't know . I don't know . 1568.63 1569.4 1569.9 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1571.136 1574.464 1571.3 1574.43 I am not sure who was programming this calculator , you know . 1574.13 1574.43 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1576.8 1577.52 1576.82 1577.52 'Cause uh - IS1006d B MIO040 1 1579.168 1582.736 1579.33 1582.66 I wonder if we put A_ or B_ somewhere instead of a number . 1582.66 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1582.512 1589.2 1582.512 1589.2 No , no , no . Let's finish this meeting instead . 1584.13 1584.61 1584.76 1589.05 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1582.688 1588.464 1582.71 1588.464 Mm , let's try . Okay . 1583.01 1585.7 1588.11 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1584.813 1590.096 1584.813 1590.04 And we can discuss all these things in our party . 1590.04 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1588.464 1589.741 1588.48 1589.741 I save it uh - IS1006d D MIO008 3 1591.568 1592.34 1591.59 1592.26 What else ? 1592.26 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1592.544 1596.16 1593.64 1596.16 Okay , so next mm 1594.09 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1601.872 1603.717 1601.92 1603.57 No . This is right . 1602.55 1603.57 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1602.56 1603.824 1602.61 1603.73 No , that's yours . Sorry . 1602.8 1603.44 1603.73 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1607.526 1615.056 1607.81 1615.056 Okay , so finance , that's done . Are the cost under twelve ? Yes . Project evaluation , good . 1609.04 1610.37 1611.11 1612.69 1613.44 1614.36 1614.87 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1609.088 1609.408 1609.11 1609.37 'Kay . 1609.37 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1612.48 1613.757 1612.52 1613.72 Mm yeah , very much . 1613.08 1613.72 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1615.248 1616.64 1615.27 1616.64 Okay . So now 1615.82 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1615.818 1616.656 1615.88 1616.49 Next slide . 1616.49 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1617.072 1618.208 1617.09 1618.14 Project process . 1618.14 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1618.812 1622.537 1618.812 1622.537 We have to make um - IS1006d D MIO008 3 1622.528 1625.056 1622.55 1624.93 Safe uh asse uh safe assessment . 1624.93 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1623.68 1629.744 1623.7 1629.7 Yeah . Yeah . Mm . See mm how Are we a good team ? Mm . 1625.15 1625.38 1625.85 1629.58 1629.7 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1630.752 1635.834 1630.77 1635.63 Yeah , I think we've listened to everybody . Everybody could say what they thought . 1631.06 1633.64 1635.63 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1630.759 1631.432 1630.83 1631.39 Okay . 1631.39 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1633.152 1633.648 1633.25 1633.61 Mm-hmm . 1633.61 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1637.344 1638.269 1637.52 1638.07 Mm . 1638.07 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1637.716 1638.496 1637.86 1638.496 And uh - IS1006d A FIO041 0 1639.536 1641.424 1639.56 1641.32 Is there enough room for creativity ? 1641.32 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1641.936 1643.279 1642.03 1643.04 Yeah , yeah . 1642.65 1643.04 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1642.672 1644.8 1642.672 1644.77 Yeah , yeah . 1644.33 1644.77 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1643.408 1644.704 1643.71 1644.704 Mm . And you . 1643.96 1644.48 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1644.094 1657.184 1644.17 1657.184 Yeah . When we see the results , there is no doubt there Maybe a lack of leadership ? 1644.75 1646.15 1656.79 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1644.413 1645.159 1644.63 1644.96 Yeah . 1644.96 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1646.016 1647.039 1646.04 1647.039 Yeah , it's really 1646.32 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1647.056 1651.296 1647.09 1651.25 Mm . Oh . Okay . Well , project evaluation . 1647.59 1649.14 1649.8 1650.1 1651.25 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1653.52 1658.42 1653.52 1658.26 Yeah . 1658.26 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1656.32 1657.896 1656.34 1657.38 M maybe not , huh ? 1657.24 1657.38 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1657.184 1660.678 1657.2 1660.4 Team-work , very strong , I would say . Team-work , no problem . 1657.72 1658.43 1659.18 1659.89 1660.4 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1658.42 1660.48 1658.51 1660.45 Yeah , our team-work is really strong . 1658.78 1660.45 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1661.84 1662.64 1661.86 1662.6 Means . 1662.6 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1663.744 1665.28 1663.76 1665.25 Whiteboard , digital pens . 1664.39 1665.25 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1665.824 1667.488 1665.86 1667.33 Oh , we still , I guess . 1666.01 1666.63 1667.33 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1666.896 1671.815 1666.92 1671.65 What was the Oh yeah , what was good ? Everything . What was bad ? 1668.21 1669.59 1670.64 1671.65 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1670.448 1674.032 1670.49 1673.93 Yeah , I think white-board is useful . Digital pens , useful . 1670.75 1672.59 1673.35 1673.93 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1674.96 1675.264 1674.98 1675.23 Hmm . 1675.23 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1679.134 1680.178 1679.17 1680.11 New ideas found ? 1680.11 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1680.277 1684.309 1680.277 1684.309 So , you say , is there sheep ? 1680.92 1682.22 1684.21 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1680.643 1681.351 1680.79 1681.16 Yeah . 1681.16 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1685.271 1695.702 1685.271 1695.702 Luck . Okay . So luck , but good . Which imply good uh team performance . 1688.79 1689.41 1690.04 1692.11 1695.48 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1691.935 1692.755 1692.11 1692.755 But uh - IS1006d D MIO008 3 1694.848 1697.339 1694.87 1696.99 Yeah , but uh then I I mus 1695.32 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1694.976 1699.924 1695.0 1699.924 Yeah . A good leader , you know , a good leader is somewhere in the shade and 1695.4 1696.9 1697.26 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1699.277 1703.344 1699.39 1703.26 That's true . And there's uh one very important point . We're on time . 1700.12 1702.6 1703.26 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1700.896 1701.563 1700.92 1701.5 Don't really . 1701.5 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1703.696 1704.256 1703.72 1704.17 Yeah . 1704.17 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1703.618 1704.288 1703.77 1704.24 Mm-hmm . 1704.24 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1705.133 1708.8 1705.16 1708.77 Meetings finish when they have to or even before . 1708.77 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1705.184 1706.176 1705.2 1706.176 And we also - IS1006d C MIO078 2 1708.848 1714.593 1708.88 1714.593 Mm . We made Mm . 1709.88 1714.5 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1710.16 1712.992 1710.2 1712.95 The for meeting it's uh one of the most important thing . 1712.95 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1713.12 1714.128 1713.16 1714.128 Of course . Uh 1713.81 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1715.664 1716.297 1715.68 1716.24 Okay . Mm . 1716.09 1716.24 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1716.368 1718.794 1716.39 1718.57 Not to waste time , that's important . 1717.73 1718.57 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1717.835 1729.216 1717.93 1729.216 Yeah . Yeah , we have other uh remote controls to create . 1718.56 1718.81 1728.94 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1720.016 1720.402 1720.13 1720.36 Hmm . 1720.36 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1720.011 1721.589 1720.23 1721.54 We need time f - IS1006d A FIO041 0 1722.128 1729.585 1722.128 1729.585 Okay . 1729.33 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1722.624 1731.311 1722.624 1731.26 Ah , we got new idea , speech recognition , location finding . 1727.88 1728.84 1730.11 1731.26 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1730.954 1732.174 1731.04 1732.174 A lot of uh - IS1006d B MIO040 1 1731.44 1732.576 1731.47 1732.54 New materials . 1732.54 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1732.56 1734.577 1732.72 1734.49 Mm . . 1734.49 1734.49 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1732.736 1736.464 1732.76 1736.43 New materials , new s uh this fancy strawberry design . 1733.71 1736.43 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1736.192 1742.885 1736.24 1742.885 Yeah , uh new ways of doing financial 1736.71 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1736.286 1736.992 1736.38 1736.96 Mm , yeah . 1736.59 1736.96 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1737.889 1745.92 1738.1 1745.81 Hey , just wondering if my uh what about the the pink the pinkness of that uh 1739.22 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1739.388 1742.48 1739.388 1742.48 And new tricks . 1742.25 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1745.664 1746.128 1745.73 1746.08 Mm . 1746.08 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1747.168 1750.576 1747.2 1750.576 Mm . They're working on um pink titanium . 1747.48 1750.38 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1747.768 1750.848 1747.768 1750.76 . They are working on a Okay , good . 1747.768 1750.57 1750.76 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1749.92 1753.616 1749.92 1753.56 Ah , very . 1752.59 1753.56 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1753.728 1758.8 1753.77 1758.8 I think we are great . There's no no other words for that . 1754.87 1758.6 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1753.739 1754.708 1753.92 1754.53 Budget . 1754.53 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1754.834 1755.36 1754.89 1755.03 Yeah . 1755.03 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1758.8 1763.755 1758.8 1763.66 We are probably the best . Real Reaction is uh Yeah . Yeah . 1760.81 1763.36 1763.66 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1759.292 1760.261 1759.48 1760.04 Alright . 1760.04 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1760.736 1767.072 1760.76 1767.072 Mm yeah . Yeah , we're really nice . Yeah . Mm . Okay . I think it's 1761.64 1761.97 1763.52 1763.88 1764.61 1766.23 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1764.579 1766.569 1764.579 1766.49 Finished ? 1766.49 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1767.52 1775.421 1767.55 1775.421 Ah , celebration . Are the costs within the budget ? Of course they are . Yeah . Is the project evaluated ? Yes , it is . 1767.8 1768.39 1769.76 1770.68 1771.81 1773.01 1773.35 1775.2 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1768.431 1769.205 1768.431 1769.205 . 1769.205 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1769.84 1775.926 1769.95 1775.926 Yeah . Uh How Yeah . Mm . 1771.1 1774.13 1775.71 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1770.103 1770.892 1770.3 1770.69 Yeah . 1770.69 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1771.488 1772.067 1771.51 1771.79 Okay . 1771.79 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1773.072 1775.909 1773.09 1775.71 Yeah , yeah , it's We got two Good score . 1773.31 1773.53 1775.71 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1773.078 1773.786 1773.1 1773.72 Yeah , it is . 1773.35 1773.72 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1775.184 1778.016 1775.2 1777.89 So , we see , we can even forecast . 1775.66 1776.42 1777.89 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1779.312 1784.304 1779.312 1784.21 they propose us like celebration , everything , we could forecast it , right ? 1781.91 1782.82 1783.96 1784.21 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1784.272 1786.416 1784.29 1786.38 To whom ? To the whole our company ? 1785.27 1786.38 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1786.8 1796.66 1786.8 1796.66 Oh , okay . 1794.2 1796.56 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1787.168 1795.696 1787.27 1795.696 I'm the one , proposing the celebration . Of course , you know I'm the program manager . 1788.28 1789.57 1791.08 1795.47 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1789.76 1790.24 1789.78 1790.18 You ? 1790.18 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1790.958 1791.89 1791.08 1791.86 It was you . 1791.86 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1792.768 1793.552 1792.79 1793.51 Okay . 1793.51 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1794.528 1798.4 1794.55 1798.4 So , let's celebrate . Uh 1794.61 1795.43 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1795.696 1800.752 1795.72 1800.46 Mm-hmm . Ah um , I think it's finish . 1797.64 1799.51 1800.46 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1796.66 1797.904 1796.83 1797.87 So where we will go now ? 1797.87 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1798.643 1801.846 1798.66 1801.846 Uh , ye Will go to Italian restaurant , or 1799.73 1801.41 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1799.297 1800.528 1799.297 1800.528 I think the meeting - IS1006d D MIO008 3 1801.296 1804.944 1801.32 1804.944 The meeting is over at least . So , we have to go out . 1802.61 1802.8 1804.85 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1802.208 1802.624 1802.23 1802.58 Yeah . Mm . 1802.47 1802.58 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1802.672 1805.516 1802.69 1805.32 Ah , okay . We can decide . Yeah . 1803.0 1803.39 1805.01 1805.32 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1804.007 1807.296 1804.13 1807.21 Mm-mm . And we go to the party . 1805.6 1807.21 IS1006d B MIO040 1 1804.8 1806.035 1804.8 1805.96 Okay . 1805.96 IS1006d C MIO078 2 1807.264 1808.448 1807.28 1808.37 Yeah . Thank you . 1807.97 1808.37 IS1006d D MIO008 3 1807.37 1808.898 1807.4 1808.79 Yeah , yeah , yeah . 1807.79 1808.23 1808.79 IS1006d A FIO041 0 1808.72 1810.08 1808.72 1810.03 thank you to you . Mm . 1809.96 1810.03 IS1007a B MIO025 1 42.239 43.013 42.37 42.77 Hmm . 42.77 IS1007a A MIO049 0 72.432 74.24 72.45 74.15 Good morning everybody . 74.15 IS1007a C MIO075 2 73.885 77.696 73.885 77.696 Good morning . 77.19 IS1007a B MIO025 1 75.158 77.184 75.158 77.15 Good morning . 77.15 IS1007a D MIO072 3 75.12 75.776 75.16 75.7 Good morning . 75.7 IS1007a A MIO049 0 77.56 81.44 77.65 81.38 So , we are asked to 78.96 IS1007a A MIO049 0 83.552 90.8 83.57 90.66 to make uh uh a new remote control for television . 90.66 IS1007a A MIO049 0 92.16 103.424 92.25 103.28 And the characteristics of this new remote control should be original and - IS1007a A MIO049 0 104.72 108.944 104.78 108.83 trendy and of course user user friendly . 108.83 IS1007a A MIO049 0 109.863 113.824 109.94 113.79 So people can can use it without any - IS1007a A MIO049 0 115.088 115.808 115.12 115.63 any problem . 115.63 IS1007a A MIO049 0 122.608 127.844 122.608 127.844 . 127.844 IS1007a A MIO049 0 134.624 135.568 134.64 135.53 I don't know . 135.53 IS1007a C MIO075 2 138.16 144.272 138.3 144.24 Well , I think we should set the the points to to drive the project and uh 138.59 IS1007a B MIO025 1 142.752 143.136 142.78 143.1 Mm . 143.1 IS1007a B MIO025 1 143.973 146.24 144.05 146.21 B did you send us an email about this ? 146.21 IS1007a A MIO049 0 146.8 150.703 146.86 150.703 Uh , not yet , but if you want 148.07 149.54 IS1007a B MIO025 1 149.728 154.954 149.75 154.954 Yeah , we we received an email about this uh d designs . 149.95 154.83 IS1007a A MIO049 0 154.496 157.088 154.52 157.04 Do you want do you want me to send you a mail ? 157.04 IS1007a B MIO025 1 157.504 162.608 157.504 162.608 Ah it's Okay . 162.45 IS1007a A MIO049 0 158.168 159.36 158.168 159.36 Or - IS1007a D MIO072 3 161.167 164.245 161.79 164.14 Or you can put it in the shared folder . 164.14 IS1007a B MIO025 1 164.08 170.832 164.1 170.79 Yeah , you see the email ? You email . The v very no , no the first one . It's inside . 164.36 165.49 166.26 167.5 170.21 170.79 IS1007a D MIO072 3 167.688 169.04 167.98 168.96 No , I didn't get it . 168.26 168.96 IS1007a A MIO049 0 171.392 172.176 171.54 172.176 Uh - IS1007a D MIO072 3 172.448 173.92 172.64 173.88 This one . No . 173.57 173.88 IS1007a B MIO025 1 173.296 175.36 173.32 175.31 No , no . The third one . 174.17 174.8 175.31 IS1007a B MIO025 1 177.504 178.544 177.52 178.51 Oh , you didn't get anything . 177.73 178.51 IS1007a D MIO072 3 178.576 180.144 179.43 180.1 No , . 180.1 180.1 IS1007a B MIO025 1 180.432 181.2 180.46 181.17 It's strange . 181.17 IS1007a B MIO025 1 182.503 190.368 182.503 190.33 Mm . I got an email about the dis about the discussion . Yeah . 186.41 190.05 190.33 IS1007a A MIO049 0 186.537 187.271 186.537 187.271 . 187.271 IS1007a A MIO049 0 191.248 194.939 191.27 194.939 You get email , . 194.88 194.88 IS1007a B MIO025 1 192.768 198.656 192.79 198.62 I dunno from who . From the account manager . You have received the same email , right ? Yeah . 195.37 196.24 197.48 198.31 198.62 IS1007a C MIO075 2 193.904 195.641 193.92 195.5 Yeah , from the account manager . 194.17 195.5 IS1007a C MIO075 2 197.504 197.888 197.53 197.81 Yeah . 197.81 IS1007a D MIO072 3 199.2 205.248 199.22 205.21 I think it's for your guys to how to design it all the aspects so you need that information . 205.21 IS1007a B MIO025 1 204.288 204.697 204.31 204.66 Yeah . 204.66 IS1007a C MIO075 2 205.472 206.368 205.5 206.29 Yeah , I think so . 205.71 206.29 IS1007a B MIO025 1 206.768 208.816 206.79 208.78 Yeah , so each of us has a role to do . 206.98 208.78 IS1007a D MIO072 3 208.736 212.315 208.76 212.18 Yeah I think assign your uh roles . 212.18 IS1007a A MIO049 0 209.296 209.696 209.44 209.65 S - IS1007a B MIO025 1 209.947 210.999 210.23 210.999 In each - IS1007a B MIO025 1 212.16 213.208 212.18 213.17 We already have our role . 213.17 IS1007a A MIO049 0 211.584 214.05 212.39 213.88 For each for each one . 213.88 IS1007a D MIO072 3 213.124 214.624 213.29 214.56 For each person , yeah . 214.33 214.56 IS1007a B MIO025 1 214.019 215.968 214.019 215.968 'Kay , we can 215.46 IS1007a A MIO049 0 216.256 223.492 216.28 223.31 So there are so we have three f yeah . We have functional design , conceptual design , and detail design . 219.02 220.34 221.5 223.31 IS1007a B MIO025 1 216.985 219.392 217.09 219.36 So there are three kinds of designs , that's all . 218.94 219.36 IS1007a B MIO025 1 221.904 224.032 221.92 224.032 Okay , alright . 223.26 223.72 IS1007a A MIO049 0 224.151 230.672 224.21 230.62 So , who will be the the responsible for the functional design ? Any any volunteer ? 224.69 228.94 230.62 IS1007a C MIO075 2 231.344 238.272 231.37 237.97 I think our uh responsibilities will be assigned when we in our mail we received from the account manager . 237.97 IS1007a B MIO025 1 235.302 237.808 235.302 237.77 Yeah , yeah . 237.52 237.77 IS1007a C MIO075 2 239.344 239.696 239.36 239.61 Uh - IS1007a B MIO025 1 239.856 240.848 239.88 240.81 I'm doing the interface . 240.81 IS1007a A MIO049 0 241.269 242.224 241.58 242.12 You are doing th - IS1007a C MIO075 2 242.192 245.616 242.21 245.616 No , I'm doing the interface . 242.42 245.3 IS1007a A MIO049 0 243.501 244.346 243.501 244.346 . 244.346 IS1007a B MIO025 1 246.224 248.592 246.26 248.592 Are you using the you are doing the in - IS1007a C MIO075 2 246.831 248.336 247.05 248.336 Yeah I I'm I'm - IS1007a C MIO075 2 251.28 256.224 251.3 256.19 Well , maybe we have okay so I industrial design . 251.87 256.19 IS1007a C MIO075 2 257.312 261.488 257.34 261.39 It was a little confusion about my uh but it's alright . 261.39 IS1007a B MIO025 1 260.464 261.372 260.48 261.372 Ah - IS1007a B MIO025 1 262.256 262.672 262.28 262.64 Okay . 262.64 IS1007a A MIO049 0 262.416 265.072 262.44 265.04 Okay , I'll for industrial design . 262.71 265.04 IS1007a C MIO075 2 264.704 264.976 264.72 264.94 Yeah . 264.94 IS1007a A MIO049 0 266.656 267.984 267.02 267.94 Okay . 267.94 IS1007a A MIO049 0 268.992 271.792 269.92 271.792 And and you - IS1007a A MIO049 0 273.216 273.616 273.24 273.53 Norman ? 273.53 IS1007a B MIO025 1 274.272 279.136 274.3 279.136 Mm ? Um working on i . 275.51 278.9 IS1007a C MIO075 2 279.104 279.408 279.12 279.26 User . 279.26 IS1007a B MIO025 1 279.664 282.473 279.68 282.473 User interface . 282.43 IS1007a A MIO049 0 286.576 287.709 286.61 287.709 And - IS1007a A MIO049 0 295.872 296.272 295.89 296.272 And - IS1007a D MIO072 3 297.696 304.016 297.95 303.98 Uh , I'm into marketing . yeah nothing much in the project . 298.23 301.92 303.98 IS1007a A MIO049 0 300.092 302.265 300.092 301.87 doing the marketing . 301.87 IS1007a A MIO049 0 305.568 307.12 305.59 307.12 Nothing related here to the - IS1007a D MIO072 3 307.152 312.48 307.27 312.45 Marketing in this design . A design is basically for industrial design and the user interface . 309.43 312.45 IS1007a B MIO025 1 309.396 310.238 309.61 309.95 Yes . 309.95 IS1007a B MIO025 1 318.272 319.264 318.29 319.22 You see the second mail ? 319.22 IS1007a B MIO025 1 322.032 323.84 322.05 323.81 Yeah , it's inside . Go down . 322.46 323.44 323.81 IS1007a B MIO025 1 326.72 327.392 326.77 327.36 Appendix . 327.36 IS1007a D MIO072 3 328.064 329.381 328.09 329.33 Yeah , this is . 328.41 329.33 IS1007a B MIO025 1 328.361 330.096 328.67 330.06 See there's a role for everybody . 330.06 IS1007a D MIO072 3 330.272 331.904 330.3 331.73 Yeah , that's right , first . 330.53 331.13 331.73 IS1007a B MIO025 1 331.392 332.496 331.41 332.46 Even for the marketing . 332.46 IS1007a D MIO072 3 332.978 335.6 332.978 335.57 us user define . 335.57 IS1007a A MIO049 0 335.362 337.604 335.48 337.54 Next . 337.54 IS1007a B MIO025 1 335.06 337.984 335.58 337.95 But look at your role , your marketing role . 336.91 337.95 IS1007a D MIO072 3 342.702 344.22 342.97 344.08 There's a trend watching . 344.08 IS1007a A MIO049 0 343.84 347.493 343.86 347.23 I don't know . I . 346.27 347.23 IS1007a B MIO025 1 344.144 346.176 344.16 345.97 Yeah , that's your role . 344.66 345.97 IS1007a C MIO075 2 346.272 356.688 346.29 356.688 Well , I think we can have a little discussion about what has to be done and what are your ideas about the 346.59 IS1007a A MIO049 0 355.488 356.624 355.51 356.624 About the design or - IS1007a A MIO049 0 357.792 360.24 357.81 360.21 Maybe we'll discuss this later , no ? 359.97 360.21 IS1007a C MIO075 2 362.896 370.16 364.63 370.13 Well , w we want to have a new re remote control for for T_V_ distribution I guess . 364.92 370.13 IS1007a A MIO049 0 371.232 371.632 371.27 371.54 Mm-hmm . 371.54 IS1007a C MIO075 2 371.751 377.968 371.93 377.93 So we have to plan how how it would be developed and uh - IS1007a D MIO072 3 376.432 376.837 376.45 376.68 Yeah . 376.68 IS1007a B MIO025 1 376.465 377.024 376.7 376.99 Mm . 376.99 IS1007a C MIO075 2 379.456 381.664 379.48 381.02 how we can make it work . 381.02 IS1007a B MIO025 1 381.632 382.016 381.65 381.98 Yes . 381.98 IS1007a D MIO072 3 381.779 389.74 382.32 389.71 I mean working remotes we already have . This will be something different from the other remotes remote controls . 384.19 389.71 IS1007a C MIO075 2 390.64 391.664 390.66 391.664 Yeah , I dunno I 390.86 IS1007a A MIO049 0 390.784 400.864 390.8 400.83 What we we have to keep in mind the these characteristics . And of course it should not be very costly . 397.85 400.83 IS1007a D MIO072 3 401.216 402.0 401.24 401.95 Yeah , that's right . 401.47 401.95 IS1007a A MIO049 0 401.866 402.592 401.92 402.592 So - IS1007a C MIO075 2 402.512 405.104 402.512 405.07 Yeah . 405.07 IS1007a B MIO025 1 405.904 406.32 405.96 406.28 Mm-hmm . 406.28 IS1007a C MIO075 2 407.904 419.984 407.904 419.91 Well I I think that Norman and I would think about um the technical points and um we should discuss it in the next meeting , or 419.63 IS1007a B MIO025 1 421.104 424.752 421.12 424.752 Need to collect information . 424.39 IS1007a C MIO075 2 422.736 423.84 422.76 423.84 Yeah . 423.67 IS1007a A MIO049 0 425.072 427.057 425.18 426.86 About the about what ? 426.86 IS1007a B MIO025 1 427.392 428.064 427.46 428.03 Um . 428.03 IS1007a B MIO025 1 430.544 433.92 430.544 433.89 I I'm part of design , perhaps . 433.29 433.89 IS1007a B MIO025 1 434.928 437.248 434.95 437.248 Uh , what is most important in a 435.44 IS1007a B MIO025 1 438.24 439.648 438.28 439.61 in a remote control ? 439.61 IS1007a B MIO025 1 440.896 442.992 440.92 442.96 What is the most important function aspect ? 442.96 IS1007a B MIO025 1 444.64 446.08 445.85 446.05 Uh . 446.05 IS1007a A MIO049 0 446.752 451.936 446.77 451.936 You mean the external or - IS1007a C MIO075 2 451.056 458.0 451.94 457.89 Well , you have to make it work . That's the that's the big thing . 452.51 454.61 457.89 IS1007a A MIO049 0 453.834 456.64 453.834 456.28 Yeah of g of course . 456.28 IS1007a B MIO025 1 453.968 456.683 453.968 456.29 That's alright . 456.29 IS1007a B MIO025 1 457.328 459.44 457.35 459.39 Yeah , it should be easy to work with . 458.05 459.39 IS1007a C MIO075 2 459.671 460.285 459.77 460.13 Yeah . 460.13 IS1007a A MIO049 0 459.328 460.832 459.81 460.64 Yeah . 460.64 IS1007a B MIO025 1 460.928 461.408 460.95 461.37 Yeah . 461.37 IS1007a C MIO075 2 461.616 464.848 461.76 464.848 We can think about an interface with uh well - IS1007a B MIO025 1 464.866 478.224 464.97 478.224 Uh . We maybe you can have a speech uh recognition interface . You just tell the television I want which channel . Or or you can say for example , um 465.44 469.47 474.53 477.66 IS1007a A MIO049 0 474.492 475.641 474.71 475.641 You won't - IS1007a B MIO025 1 478.539 496.512 478.539 496.38 I want uh to list all the programme tonight . Y you know , instead of uh remote control it's doing the some searching for you , so you don't have to look for the channel you want . Just say maybe I just want to press I wanna have a button for all the movies tonight . 482.66 483.1 489.86 491.7 496.38 IS1007a B MIO025 1 497.504 512.08 497.52 512.04 Or a button for all the magazines , all the information documentary tonight . And then you list a few , and I will choose from the list . So instead of pressing the channel number , I am choosing the programmes directly . Yeah , that's one way of uh making it useful . 499.22 501.86 502.85 504.7 506.42 508.34 509.64 512.04 IS1007a C MIO075 2 508.304 508.848 508.32 508.81 Yeah , yeah . 508.58 508.81 IS1007a A MIO049 0 511.343 518.208 511.73 518.17 I I think if we include a lot of technology on the remote control it will be very costly . 518.17 IS1007a B MIO025 1 515.936 523.687 515.99 523.687 No , because no , it's not very a lot . Th this information exists . For example you can get um 516.79 518.56 519.53 521.53 IS1007a A MIO049 0 518.929 519.847 519.04 519.847 S - IS1007a A MIO049 0 523.296 526.736 523.33 526.68 Like s uh you you you say we can use speech . 526.68 IS1007a B MIO025 1 527.52 537.936 527.54 537.9 You can use uh well for example anything . The the idea of using speech to reduce the button , but uh and it's more natural . Yeah . 531.17 534.87 537.6 537.9 IS1007a C MIO075 2 535.734 536.136 535.88 536.136 I - IS1007a C MIO075 2 536.543 546.49 536.94 546.31 I think if you want t to choose uh from a list of programme or or something like that you you may have to to use uh w uh I dunno - IS1007a D MIO072 3 539.28 540.872 539.3 540.63 I'm a okay . 540.63 IS1007a B MIO025 1 539.925 542.08 540.53 542.04 Yeah . Yeah . 541.78 542.04 IS1007a D MIO072 3 545.872 567.168 545.89 567.12 I mean the main uh function of remote control is to have something in the hand and we should be very careful about the size of the remote control . If we are going to add a speech interface , I'm not sure with trendy slim size of the remote control it would be able to put a speech recog if you want to put a speech recognition system f interface for that I think the T_V_ itself could have it . 553.16 555.44 567.12 IS1007a A MIO049 0 549.681 551.094 550.02 550.83 In the hand . 550.83 IS1007a A MIO049 0 552.924 553.97 553.07 553.68 Yeah . 553.68 IS1007a B MIO025 1 553.072 553.72 553.09 553.45 Yeah . 553.45 IS1007a C MIO075 2 553.05 553.756 553.14 553.67 Yeah . 553.67 IS1007a B MIO025 1 555.04 555.504 555.06 555.47 Yeah . 555.47 IS1007a B MIO025 1 559.552 560.877 559.57 560.81 Yes , possible . 560.03 560.81 IS1007a B MIO025 1 567.184 568.704 567.21 568.704 Yeah . But 568.28 IS1007a C MIO075 2 567.552 567.872 567.57 567.78 Yeah . 567.78 IS1007a D MIO072 3 568.24 571.024 568.28 571.024 And I could talk to the T_V_ television itself . I need not have an 570.12 IS1007a A MIO049 0 569.341 572.747 569.9 572.3 Except if if you are far from the T_V_ . 572.3 IS1007a B MIO025 1 572.384 574.305 572.41 574.305 Yeah . 573.83 IS1007a D MIO072 3 572.912 576.287 572.93 576.287 I mean we have some or something , different technology but 575.13 IS1007a A MIO049 0 573.158 577.364 573.58 577.364 This is it's - IS1007a B MIO025 1 574.605 593.856 574.87 593.66 Yeah , yeah . But th the main idea I wanted to s I wanted to say is that um there should be a function , instead of choosing the ch T_V_ channel , there's a option you can choose , either T_V_ channels or or pr or the or the contain or the contents of the programme . So it's more powerful . 575.88 576.12 582.74 584.82 586.17 592.35 593.66 IS1007a C MIO075 2 588.304 589.216 588.32 589.18 On the content . 589.18 IS1007a D MIO072 3 589.723 590.864 589.96 590.83 Mm-hmm , yeah . 590.38 590.83 IS1007a C MIO075 2 592.016 604.602 592.04 604.602 Yeah , yeah it's it's a good idea it's a good idea but I I think that technically it would be um a little bit uh uh more tricky to to achieve this than just to 592.27 IS1007a A MIO049 0 592.252 593.401 592.7 593.04 Mm-hmm . 593.04 IS1007a B MIO025 1 594.256 594.624 594.29 594.59 Yeah . 594.59 IS1007a B MIO025 1 599.68 600.192 599.71 600.04 No . 600.04 IS1007a B MIO025 1 603.024 652.289 603.04 652.2 No , because you see now all the T_V_ programmes are available on the webs . They they are they are they are available in X_M_L_ format or whatever the format . We don't care . We just say that this are some content . We just want to retrieve the content and then classi sort them by the types of programmes . Some of the websites they already provide this service , so we can just use the service available . Download it uh to the to this remote control . And then there's there are only six buttons for six categories , or sev seven . The most there are only seven buttons . So I just choose the category one and you reuse the same button , for example to to choose among the the sorted list the programme you want , so you don't have to choose among hundred channels , if you have hundred channels , you just have six buttons , seven buttons . 603.41 607.59 611.53 612.22 614.43 620.13 622.4 625.18 629.6 632.62 634.0 636.05 639.0 645.14 648.99 650.11 651.49 652.2 IS1007a C MIO075 2 619.524 621.043 620.22 620.9 Yeah yeah . 620.9 IS1007a A MIO049 0 629.312 630.629 630.0 630.46 Mm . 630.46 IS1007a A MIO049 0 652.192 656.413 652.21 656.23 Yeah we should also optimise the the number of buttons . 656.23 IS1007a C MIO075 2 655.264 666.656 655.28 666.656 Well I I I I think that j just by using navigation buttons and the user interface on the screen we are able to uh navigate uh through the - IS1007a B MIO025 1 655.256 657.123 655.38 657.03 Yeah , yeah . 656.15 657.03 IS1007a A MIO049 0 656.736 659.117 656.85 658.52 This is good idea . 658.52 IS1007a B MIO025 1 661.936 662.368 661.99 662.33 Yeah . 662.33 IS1007a B MIO025 1 666.576 668.685 666.6 668.24 Ah , yes . So . 666.82 667.29 668.24 IS1007a C MIO075 2 667.378 672.992 667.58 672.992 Well channel programme or contents or in an easy way , so 672.4 IS1007a B MIO025 1 669.877 670.224 669.91 670.19 Yeah . 670.19 IS1007a B MIO025 1 671.776 676.677 671.8 676.56 Yeah , so you don't have to display here , just display on the T_V_ screen , right ? Good idea . 672.14 673.38 674.87 675.44 676.56 IS1007a C MIO075 2 674.461 682.104 674.62 681.87 Yeah in the dis display on the T_V_ screen and just uh with the with your remote control would just navigate through the f - IS1007a B MIO025 1 677.536 678.016 677.57 677.98 Okay . 677.98 IS1007a B MIO025 1 682.048 697.2 682.08 697.2 I think I think that will be revol revolutionary . Because all the T_V_ uh the the remote control have all numbers , lots of buttons and then you dunno what to choose in the end . Yeah . Alright . 685.65 690.01 694.86 696.0 697.05 IS1007a C MIO075 2 694.512 696.581 694.55 696.581 Yeah , yeah . So 694.78 695.14 IS1007a C MIO075 2 697.36 710.816 697.38 710.78 I think for for the technical points we have to to to check how to gather the data from programme or contents and all this stuff - IS1007a B MIO025 1 710.256 710.72 710.28 710.68 Okay . 710.68 IS1007a A MIO049 0 710.92 713.219 711.13 713.219 So we have five minutes to - IS1007a B MIO025 1 712.896 718.864 712.92 718.65 Ah w w we have sometimes to use the white-board . Five minutes . 717.29 718.65 IS1007a A MIO049 0 715.861 720.581 716.18 720.34 Ah you can y you can you can use it if you so , can we 719.61 IS1007a D MIO072 3 718.688 725.168 718.8 725.168 And another interesting idea for this would be to have an light adaptation system depending upon the picture of - IS1007a B MIO025 1 723.216 724.174 723.55 724.04 Okay . 724.04 IS1007a B MIO025 1 725.76 726.304 725.78 726.26 Okay . 726.26 IS1007a D MIO072 3 726.56 736.176 726.69 736.14 So , I mean , if you're watching a movie and suddenly there is a dark uh some dark scene , the lights adapt themself . The lighting in the room changes . 727.12 727.45 732.74 734.36 736.14 IS1007a B MIO025 1 730.576 730.912 730.6 730.88 Yeah . 730.88 IS1007a B MIO025 1 732.654 733.236 732.8 732.94 Yeah . 732.94 IS1007a A MIO049 0 732.743 733.48 733.15 733.32 S - IS1007a B MIO025 1 736.128 739.021 736.15 738.72 Yeah , but we are designing just remote control . 736.62 738.72 IS1007a A MIO049 0 737.079 740.403 737.15 740.22 You it . 740.22 IS1007a D MIO072 3 738.608 744.366 738.63 744.27 I mean , we have a option in the remote control . If we want to have that option , you press that button in the remote . 739.02 740.54 742.5 744.27 IS1007a B MIO025 1 742.309 743.307 742.55 743.13 Okay . 743.13 IS1007a C MIO075 2 742.478 744.992 743.12 744.992 Oh right so - IS1007a B MIO025 1 744.256 755.616 744.28 755.36 Okay , do you want to have a conceptual remote control there , or you just want to put the function in ? Go on , draw something . 745.08 747.95 754.41 754.76 755.36 IS1007a A MIO049 0 748.096 753.76 748.72 753.59 Yeah . If if you you you can if you want you can use th the . 749.43 753.59 IS1007a C MIO075 2 750.832 753.573 750.832 753.573 Please , Norman , draw uh 752.17 752.54 IS1007a D MIO072 3 761.296 763.296 761.34 763.22 Oh , I'm afraid you forgot to put your lapel . 761.56 763.22 IS1007a B MIO025 1 761.437 762.05 761.51 761.93 Mm . 761.93 IS1007a B MIO025 1 763.652 764.935 764.15 764.64 Where is it ? 764.64 IS1007a D MIO072 3 764.928 765.552 764.95 765.48 The lapel . 765.48 IS1007a A MIO049 0 764.879 770.419 765.68 770.28 Or before the before the the design that says . 770.28 IS1007a B MIO025 1 765.984 767.136 766.0 766.62 Ah , okay . 766.2 766.62 IS1007a B MIO025 1 769.264 770.528 769.28 770.49 Where where is it ? Here . 770.23 770.49 IS1007a D MIO072 3 770.624 771.312 770.64 771.28 Yeah , that one . 770.86 771.28 IS1007a D MIO072 3 774.32 776.285 774.37 776.06 Just plug it . Yeah , that's right . 775.35 775.61 776.06 IS1007a A MIO049 0 774.13 775.607 774.66 775.11 Norman . 775.11 IS1007a B MIO025 1 775.68 775.92 775.71 775.89 Mm . 775.89 IS1007a A MIO049 0 776.256 786.859 776.28 786.56 Be before before writing you can uh sit and that says what we what we said then after that you can you can use the . Yeah . 786.46 786.56 IS1007a B MIO025 1 779.187 779.696 779.43 779.65 Mm . 779.65 IS1007a B MIO025 1 784.704 811.506 784.72 811.47 Okay , alright . So so the most functional des mm the most important function is to ch choo buttons to choose the content . Right ? We agree on that , right ? Uh , uh first one is to uh buttons i or it could be anything with buttons . Uh to choose 785.08 785.82 794.14 794.56 795.36 796.37 797.68 808.68 IS1007a C MIO075 2 795.744 796.304 795.84 796.27 Okay . 796.27 IS1007a A MIO049 0 796.338 797.311 796.4 797.02 Okay . 797.02 IS1007a A MIO049 0 807.136 807.424 807.16 807.39 Yeah . 807.39 IS1007a B MIO025 1 813.28 824.464 813.3 824.43 uh content s or channels . So we have both . The user can choose w which one they want , right ? 820.28 821.37 824.24 824.43 IS1007a C MIO075 2 824.144 827.795 824.16 827.39 Yeah , by content or by channel , it's a good idea . 824.4 826.02 827.39 IS1007a B MIO025 1 826.144 834.24 826.18 834.24 By content or by channel . Choose by contents or by channels . So 829.31 833.28 IS1007a B MIO025 1 835.824 837.52 835.84 837.46 And then what did we say just now ? 837.46 IS1007a B MIO025 1 838.72 839.856 838.74 839.67 Other than this . 839.67 IS1007a C MIO075 2 840.048 844.384 840.1 844.35 And uh we we have to find a way how to gather information about the contents . 844.35 IS1007a A MIO049 0 840.222 841.172 840.36 840.95 Mm . 840.95 IS1007a B MIO025 1 843.808 852.992 843.83 852.96 Okay , so technically how the problems that how to do it is to how to get the content . 844.66 852.96 IS1007a C MIO075 2 853.152 853.456 853.22 853.42 Yeah . 853.42 IS1007a B MIO025 1 854.976 855.825 855.1 855.68 Challenge . 855.68 IS1007a C MIO075 2 855.083 861.44 855.13 861.44 I think i it's not very difficult to to browse by channel but it's a little bit tricky to browse by contents so - IS1007a B MIO025 1 861.456 874.256 861.48 874.256 Okay . Content . Okay , so these we have to work it out . So this one of the problem . And uh 864.32 867.76 868.68 870.15 872.51 IS1007a C MIO075 2 874.032 878.176 874.06 878.14 I think that's the the things to do and uh to uh - IS1007a B MIO025 1 875.312 875.936 875.33 875.9 The main thing . 875.9 IS1007a B MIO025 1 877.008 879.408 877.73 879.36 Okay . Alright . 878.94 879.36 IS1007a C MIO075 2 879.2 880.688 879.22 880.65 reflect about it and uh - IS1007a B MIO025 1 880.608 894.32 880.63 894.17 Alright , okay . So we are we'll discuss it we will get some information in the next meeting , so for now we get uh the funct this is the functional designer ? That's the first aspect . Right . 880.9 881.25 885.28 891.21 893.75 894.17 IS1007a C MIO075 2 881.13 882.832 881.28 882.69 discuss it in the next meeting . 882.69 IS1007a B MIO025 1 895.856 899.008 895.88 898.96 We will get information and then we'll come back in . 898.96 IS1007a C MIO075 2 900.0 900.48 900.02 900.45 Okay . 900.45 IS1007a B MIO025 1 900.112 900.672 900.112 900.672 . 900.672 IS1007a C MIO075 2 901.632 906.182 901.65 906.182 Thank you everybody . 905.92 IS1007a A MIO049 0 903.824 909.664 903.97 909.63 Okay . So maybe we'll meet in maybe five minutes ? 905.73 909.63 IS1007a B MIO025 1 903.472 905.712 904.15 905.62 Yeah , we'll come . 904.32 905.62 IS1007a A MIO049 0 910.544 915.305 911.03 914.9 And we'll discuss the other other aspects . 914.9 IS1007a B MIO025 1 911.104 911.557 911.12 911.51 Alright . 911.51 IS1007a B MIO025 1 912.848 913.76 912.87 913.72 Alright , okay . 913.34 913.72 IS1007a C MIO075 2 915.68 920.793 915.7 915.7 Okay . 920.5 IS1007a B MIO025 1 916.368 918.83 916.39 916.89 Thank you , mis 916.89 IS1007a A MIO049 0 916.409 921.962 916.77 918.9 Okay . Well thank you all . 917.95 921.67 IS1007b A MIO049 0 37.309 40.544 37.55 40.49 So we come again for the the second meeting . 40.49 IS1007b B MIO025 1 41.12 41.472 41.17 41.43 Mm-hmm . 41.43 IS1007b A MIO049 0 41.701 45.109 42.34 45.07 Uh for the aim of this - IS1007b A MIO049 0 45.968 46.432 45.99 46.39 meeting - IS1007b A MIO049 0 47.44 48.352 47.46 48.31 now is to - IS1007b A MIO049 0 50.893 53.561 51.25 53.43 to make presentation about - IS1007b A MIO049 0 54.956 57.624 55.21 57.47 uh the work for each one . 57.47 IS1007b A MIO049 0 58.704 67.606 58.72 67.44 And take the the decision about the the design and the functionality of the the remote - IS1007b B MIO025 1 62.822 63.56 62.97 63.43 Okay . 63.43 IS1007b A MIO049 0 68.512 76.224 68.53 75.88 control . And we have think I got a new project requirement . So I think 69.79 75.31 IS1007b C MIO075 2 69.523 70.693 69.65 70.02 Okay . 70.02 IS1007b A MIO049 0 77.312 81.123 77.49 81.0 uh teletext becomes outdated . 81.0 IS1007b A MIO049 0 81.962 96.896 82.07 96.83 So the popularity of the since the popularity of the internet , and I think we don't need lighting adaptive , so the remote control should be only used for the the television . 86.67 91.9 96.83 IS1007b C MIO075 2 82.008 83.059 82.25 82.51 Okay . 82.51 IS1007b A MIO049 0 98.288 101.88 98.31 101.88 And of course we should have our image - IS1007b A MIO049 0 102.912 104.256 102.98 104.15 in the in the design . 104.15 IS1007b A MIO049 0 106.362 108.272 106.59 108.2 So , let's start with the 107.06 IS1007b A MIO049 0 112.208 113.872 112.23 113.84 the industrial designer . 113.84 IS1007b C MIO075 2 114.416 117.712 114.89 117.712 Yeah , alright . So uh 115.81 116.75 IS1007b A MIO049 0 114.913 115.733 114.913 115.733 . 115.733 IS1007b A MIO049 0 116.711 120.437 117.01 120.35 Or y you can use the whiteboard if you want . 120.35 IS1007b C MIO075 2 119.152 123.216 119.18 123.17 Well I have a PowerPoint pr presentation stored in my - IS1007b A MIO049 0 122.067 122.849 122.23 122.68 Here . 122.68 IS1007b C MIO075 2 125.136 129.84 125.16 129.81 in my personal folder so I I I think you can reach it from here . 129.81 IS1007b D MIO072 3 130.03 131.441 130.26 131.22 Just go to explorer . 131.22 IS1007b D MIO072 3 132.816 133.472 132.84 133.44 Or open . 133.44 IS1007b A MIO049 0 132.691 133.786 133.09 133.7 Oh okay . 133.7 IS1007b D MIO072 3 135.968 137.664 136.05 137.55 Participant two . 137.55 IS1007b C MIO075 2 136.752 138.144 136.92 138.06 Participant two . 138.06 IS1007b A MIO049 0 143.344 143.744 143.36 143.71 This one . 143.71 IS1007b C MIO075 2 144.048 144.4 144.22 144.37 Yeah . 144.37 IS1007b D MIO072 3 145.424 147.232 145.48 147.06 Open uh . 147.06 IS1007b C MIO075 2 150.336 152.928 150.48 152.928 Uh open . 152.75 IS1007b A MIO049 0 151.28 152.352 151.3 152.352 Do you want to open - IS1007b B MIO025 1 152.164 155.648 152.47 155.648 Because it's open you mean . 155.29 IS1007b C MIO075 2 153.84 160.685 153.84 160.685 Right , so um I will talk about the the w working design and 155.98 IS1007b B MIO025 1 157.958 159.293 157.958 159.1 F_ five . 159.1 IS1007b D MIO072 3 159.766 162.973 160.12 162.76 Slide show , view slide show , . 160.97 162.76 162.76 IS1007b A MIO049 0 162.272 163.2 162.3 162.64 Ah . 162.64 IS1007b C MIO075 2 163.152 205.552 163.17 205.24 And um well I I will present my my first idea on how to build the our new remote control for television . So uh can you go one page down , please . So I think the first things to do is to define the hardware components neededs to achieve uh what we want to do . So uh mm I'm thin uh I think uh I I'll do a survey about what is uh what is available on the market and what what is the the cheapest possible things we hav we can use . 174.65 177.83 179.19 187.47 205.24 IS1007b C MIO075 2 206.64 242.417 206.89 242.417 Then uh I will try with the technical team to to build a prototype and to see uh with uh h how this little box would uh look look like . And how an and we can uh start troubleshooting first uh com communication problems or things like that . And when we are ready with this first prototype I I think we can add some software functionalities on a programmable chip like browsing by content or um things like that . Okay so can you go down uh 219.73 227.37 239.53 IS1007b C MIO075 2 242.893 271.232 243.04 271.2 So , wha what I think for now is we don't want to have a remote control w which is wired so uh I think we u we can use a battery for the . Then two programmable chips for both software functionalities and communication . And the communication with the T_V_ set is uh made through uh infrared communication 243.49 258.69 266.5 IS1007b C MIO075 2 274.288 294.128 274.31 294.0 So uh this is the the schema of the o of the future uh remote controls so uh you can you can see the components , uh battery and uh the two chips goes to the infrared uh connection to the T_V_ set . 285.93 294.0 IS1007b B MIO025 1 277.536 280.304 277.57 280.304 Did you draw it ? 280.12 IS1007b A MIO049 0 278.234 281.119 278.234 281.02 Wow . 281.02 IS1007b B MIO025 1 292.732 295.888 292.79 295.78 This . What is the other chip for ? The one on top . 294.09 295.13 295.78 IS1007b A MIO049 0 293.871 294.693 294.03 294.693 This - IS1007b C MIO075 2 296.224 317.712 296.24 317.48 The one on top is for the um well the functionali the functionalities and the the th red um sorry the green one is is to well , putting things together , um f transform the data into uh qu into the format to to uh to communicate with the T_V_ set . 307.38 309.32 317.48 IS1007b D MIO072 3 298.8 300.826 299.14 300.52 One is a communication . 300.52 IS1007b B MIO025 1 312.336 312.928 312.42 312.81 For men . 312.81 IS1007b B MIO025 1 314.48 315.504 314.57 315.504 To the in - IS1007b B MIO025 1 316.844 318.032 316.844 318.0 Okay . 318.0 IS1007b C MIO075 2 319.04 328.946 319.06 328.82 And , that's it . I think we should use a F_P_G_A_ for for the functionalities which is easy to to t 319.8 320.78 IS1007b B MIO025 1 324.928 325.264 324.98 325.23 Mm . 325.23 IS1007b B MIO025 1 328.0 329.136 328.02 329.09 What is F_P_G_A_ ? 329.09 IS1007b C MIO075 2 329.632 334.864 329.65 334.71 It's field programmable uh something array . Yeah . 334.09 334.71 IS1007b D MIO072 3 332.076 336.77 332.076 336.62 Gateway arrays . It's a field programmable gateway arrays . 334.37 336.62 IS1007b B MIO025 1 336.496 339.065 336.52 339.01 So why's it how is it different from the Bluetooth ? 339.01 IS1007b C MIO075 2 339.504 355.596 339.52 355.48 Well , uh a F_P_G_A_ is just a chip you can uh you can pr programme it uh wi with wh whatever you want . And uh well the Bluetooth chip is just responsible to uh make the communication uh between uh the two devices . 339.8 348.01 355.48 IS1007b B MIO025 1 342.192 343.888 342.22 343.74 Yeah . Programme it . 343.2 343.74 IS1007b D MIO072 3 343.824 345.133 343.84 345.02 Yeah . 345.02 IS1007b B MIO025 1 347.376 347.824 347.4 347.78 Okay . 347.78 IS1007b B MIO025 1 352.144 352.999 352.16 352.999 Yeah . 352.91 IS1007b B MIO025 1 353.964 354.714 354.13 354.714 Uh - IS1007b B MIO025 1 355.552 361.532 355.57 361.532 So this are the they have to work together ? Or ? Do they have to work together or two separate choice 357.78 358.6 IS1007b C MIO075 2 359.328 364.224 359.35 364.18 No . Well , th the F_P_G_A_ will produce the the data to send . 360.73 361.27 364.18 IS1007b B MIO025 1 364.416 364.848 364.44 364.81 Okay . 364.81 IS1007b D MIO072 3 365.312 372.429 365.33 372.22 Or it's something like isn't hardware the first one ? And the second one is for the software . Yeah to run th to make it run . That's it . 367.62 369.92 371.7 372.22 IS1007b B MIO025 1 368.352 371.427 368.37 371.21 Is the is the software par alri okay . 371.21 IS1007b C MIO075 2 369.968 371.017 370.38 370.92 Yeah . 370.92 IS1007b B MIO025 1 371.872 380.876 371.89 380.876 Okay , okay . So you can control if you want , right ? 372.5 372.99 375.07 380.65 IS1007b C MIO075 2 375.664 381.68 375.68 381.65 Yeah . Alright and that's it for the working design . So if you have any questions ? 377.66 380.18 381.65 IS1007b D MIO072 3 376.729 377.389 376.99 377.19 No . 377.19 IS1007b B MIO025 1 382.253 382.814 382.42 382.6 Mm . 382.6 IS1007b D MIO072 3 383.136 390.752 383.16 390.72 Okay , and how about the battery power ? Uh you mean that battery would be somewhere there and the remote contro the power to the battery comes through infrared ? 383.54 385.67 390.72 IS1007b C MIO075 2 390.042 408.0 390.68 408.0 Uh no no no no , I think uh we have uh to to uh have uh embedded uh b batteries in in the yeah into the t . Yeah , yeah . And uh I I don't think it will need um very uh much power to make it run , so 391.68 400.4 400.67 401.52 407.61 IS1007b A MIO049 0 393.411 394.079 393.411 394.079 . 394.079 IS1007b D MIO072 3 397.616 402.676 397.64 402.51 Into the more compact and uh okay , . 402.51 402.51 IS1007b B MIO025 1 405.792 407.168 405.82 407.13 Mm . Mm . 406.84 407.13 IS1007b D MIO072 3 407.92 409.024 407.94 408.99 Yeah , yeah . Okay . 408.25 408.5 408.99 IS1007b B MIO025 1 408.48 411.952 408.5 411.91 Mm . You can put it on the charger when uh you when you don't need to use it . 409.03 411.91 IS1007b C MIO075 2 410.688 411.35 410.97 411.31 Yeah . 411.31 IS1007b C MIO075 2 412.537 413.891 412.7 413.63 It's a good idea . 413.63 IS1007b D MIO072 3 413.584 426.657 413.6 426.657 Yeah , that's right . Having a charger rather than putting the battery cells always . People don't like it to have to buy the batteries when they run out . We just make a small charger and put it 414.07 414.99 419.08 423.18 IS1007b B MIO025 1 414.805 415.337 414.89 415.26 Yeah . 415.26 IS1007b B MIO025 1 417.249 418.64 417.37 418.61 Yeah , yeah . 418.34 418.61 IS1007b C MIO075 2 418.288 418.512 418.33 418.48 Yeah . 418.48 IS1007b B MIO025 1 421.006 421.748 421.11 421.56 Yeah . 421.56 IS1007b B MIO025 1 422.473 422.848 422.6 422.8 Mm . 422.8 IS1007b B MIO025 1 423.267 433.455 423.29 433.37 Uh mm . Y yeah , yeah . Because you are using because you are using Bluetooth , if some people have P_D_A_ they can use their P_D_A_ to control the T_V_ if they want to , right ? 424.55 425.73 426.51 429.29 433.13 433.37 IS1007b C MIO075 2 426.608 427.638 426.63 427.46 That's a good idea . 427.46 IS1007b A MIO049 0 426.811 427.792 426.98 427.76 You can i yeah . 427.76 IS1007b A MIO049 0 428.344 428.91 428.43 428.74 Ma - IS1007b C MIO075 2 433.936 452.12 433.96 451.63 Also , but but I I I think uh the the goal is to sell our remote control . S okay , so charger for is the . 434.46 443.18 448.01 451.63 IS1007b D MIO072 3 435.2 437.407 435.24 437.407 Bu - IS1007b B MIO025 1 435.641 437.633 435.641 437.633 I dunno . 437.39 IS1007b A MIO049 0 437.024 439.1 437.04 438.72 Yeah we can change the b . 438.72 IS1007b D MIO072 3 440.0 445.583 440.02 445.583 Our remote , we do not want to make it P_D_A_ . 441.02 445.29 IS1007b A MIO049 0 440.732 441.333 440.83 441.09 Yeah . 441.09 IS1007b A MIO049 0 457.616 458.992 457.64 458.91 Um . 458.91 IS1007b B MIO025 1 466.624 467.408 466.64 467.37 So is mine . 467.37 IS1007b A MIO049 0 468.512 471.424 468.54 471.39 It's mine . Participant one , no ? 469.9 471.19 471.39 IS1007b B MIO025 1 469.616 469.872 469.64 469.84 Oh . 469.84 IS1007b B MIO025 1 471.632 472.475 471.65 472.475 Yeah , this your 471.87 IS1007b A MIO049 0 476.944 477.168 476.96 477.13 Mm . 477.13 IS1007b A MIO049 0 478.592 481.712 478.62 481.64 Oh we have so let's move to - IS1007b A MIO049 0 482.859 486.148 483.13 485.99 to user interface design . 485.99 IS1007b B MIO025 1 484.896 490.646 484.92 490.58 Yeah . So you can open uh three . 486.2 490.58 IS1007b A MIO049 0 488.432 489.567 488.45 489.567 Participant - IS1007b B MIO025 1 495.04 495.36 495.06 495.33 Yeah . 495.33 IS1007b B MIO025 1 496.432 498.016 496.432 498.016 So - IS1007b B MIO025 1 499.552 502.832 499.57 502.8 So I'm working on the technical functions design . 502.8 IS1007b B MIO025 1 503.856 505.616 503.856 505.57 can you show the next slide . 505.57 IS1007b B MIO025 1 506.976 550.025 507.0 550.025 So the the purpose is to to find uh the important questions to ask is what effect should the apparatus have . So so I found on a webs on the internet yeah . I spent a lot of time searching and uh and I found that uh the function of remote control is to send messages to television set . For example switch on , switch off , switch the next channel and so on and so on . So I found two very good prototypes for for this interface from our competitors so can you 515.75 523.27 534.61 536.22 537.77 541.42 IS1007b A MIO049 0 519.792 522.24 519.792 522.09 During the weekend . 522.09 IS1007b A MIO049 0 525.966 527.247 526.2 527.247 That's good . 526.91 IS1007b A MIO049 0 533.845 534.501 534.11 534.3 Mm-hmm . 534.3 IS1007b D MIO072 3 534.239 535.325 534.56 534.97 G - IS1007b A MIO049 0 549.648 553.29 549.67 553.06 This are usual functionality . 553.06 IS1007b B MIO025 1 550.784 576.368 550.8 576.368 Yeah , yeah , yeah . Ours is a bit uh different . So these are two example . One is from the other one is from , yeah , uh engineering centr yeah . This is the most competing prototypes I've found . But then uh loo but then I found if you look at you see on the left one there are too many buttons 551.38 552.02 553.15 554.74 556.7 562.36 563.49 567.07 570.83 IS1007b A MIO049 0 561.584 562.108 561.6 562.03 Tasks . 562.03 IS1007b A MIO049 0 576.432 579.551 576.56 579.01 And they are small . 579.01 IS1007b B MIO025 1 578.048 596.448 578.11 596.4 Yeah . O on the right I tried to play with the problem is that uh if I have hundred channels I have uh I have to choo press the other button to choose the hundred channels and I have to compose the number so it's very lousy . So you so you move to the next the next one . 578.56 594.04 596.4 IS1007b C MIO075 2 587.224 588.068 587.51 587.86 Yeah . 587.86 IS1007b C MIO075 2 593.922 595.071 593.94 594.88 Of course . 594.88 IS1007b A MIO049 0 593.917 594.532 594.03 594.44 Mm-hmm . 594.44 IS1007b B MIO025 1 597.808 641.184 597.83 641.15 Yeah , so I talk about the problem . And then I I look at the user manual they are a hundred pages thick , so we don't want that . So I propose the easy to use uh prototype . You can navigate on T_V_ screen and we can the user's preference and we need to have the T_V_ connected to internet so we end in order to access the T_V_ programmes by X_M_L_ and we need some to do some preprocessing . From the technical aspect , the processing should be done on the T_V_ set than on the on the remote controller , right ? And then we the speech recognition as uh Harry says we may just put in we may K_I_V_ . 598.25 599.8 602.91 606.61 610.37 626.78 628.14 633.45 634.54 641.15 IS1007b A MIO049 0 604.691 605.376 604.95 605.34 Yeah . 605.34 IS1007b A MIO049 0 641.379 645.168 641.61 645.13 What do you mean by the pa pa processing will be done on the T_V_ - IS1007b B MIO025 1 645.216 651.472 645.24 651.472 Yeah , all the processing is done the T_V_ is a compu has some processing power the 645.5 IS1007b A MIO049 0 645.757 646.595 645.98 646.595 than the - IS1007b C MIO075 2 650.336 652.638 650.336 652.25 So we have to t - IS1007b A MIO049 0 651.382 656.507 651.68 656.44 So we should have specific T_V_ ? Or ? We can use this . 654.27 655.36 656.44 IS1007b B MIO025 1 653.757 654.448 653.91 654.18 Yeah . 654.18 IS1007b C MIO075 2 655.024 661.905 655.04 661.905 We have to sell a T_V_ with the remote control too . 661.83 IS1007b A MIO049 0 658.188 662.08 658.26 662.08 Yeah , we don't 659.17 IS1007b B MIO025 1 658.978 664.266 658.978 664.05 Yeah because are you just wondering what controller okay . 664.05 IS1007b A MIO049 0 663.154 666.191 663.43 666.12 Yeah , I think so . J j just the remote control . 663.59 664.27 666.12 IS1007b D MIO072 3 663.84 665.913 663.86 665.44 Yeah , not the T_V_s . 664.22 665.44 IS1007b C MIO075 2 664.336 683.411 664.36 683.411 I think there there is there is al there there is a a technology like show view who is already available on most of the T_V_ set on recorders or thing like that and we can try t to get this information on to the remote control to to do the processing on the remote control because - IS1007b B MIO025 1 669.536 669.904 669.56 669.86 Yeah . 669.86 IS1007b B MIO025 1 677.424 677.92 677.44 677.87 Okay . 677.87 IS1007b D MIO072 3 679.84 680.304 679.86 680.27 Yeah . 680.27 IS1007b B MIO025 1 680.592 680.864 680.61 680.83 Yeah . 680.83 IS1007b B MIO025 1 681.66 690.113 681.66 689.99 Okay . So i the processing on on the remote controller so it can u be used in any T_V_ , any conventional T_V_ sets ? 683.56 688.57 689.99 IS1007b D MIO072 3 682.432 683.538 682.47 683.3 Yeah , that's right . 682.67 683.3 IS1007b A MIO049 0 683.667 684.291 683.96 684.05 Mm . 684.05 IS1007b A MIO049 0 685.768 687.367 685.96 687.33 Yeah , we . 687.02 687.33 IS1007b A MIO049 0 690.368 690.576 690.39 690.54 Yeah . 690.54 IS1007b B MIO025 1 691.232 693.584 691.27 693.584 Mm . Okay . 691.83 693.23 IS1007b A MIO049 0 694.528 695.52 694.55 695.49 Speech recognition . 695.49 IS1007b B MIO025 1 694.952 706.372 695.46 706.372 N yeah , that's all . The next one ? So I come up with a simple design , just keep the v navigation buttons . 696.21 696.9 697.8 699.2 705.57 IS1007b C MIO075 2 702.048 711.564 702.07 711.564 Yes , that's a good idea , I think . We d we don't we we don't need really much buttons to i if we have a screen to navigate on on the T_V_ so uh 702.31 703.23 704.13 IS1007b A MIO049 0 703.696 705.723 703.9 705.723 Keep the navigation but - IS1007b B MIO025 1 709.408 710.175 709.43 710.175 Yeah . 710.06 IS1007b B MIO025 1 711.36 714.173 711.38 714.173 Yeah . 713.95 IS1007b C MIO075 2 712.082 718.608 712.28 718.42 Well , f four five buttons , it's sufficient . It's easy to build , 712.73 715.37 717.15 718.42 IS1007b B MIO025 1 715.392 715.792 715.41 715.7 Yeah . 715.7 IS1007b B MIO025 1 716.944 717.248 716.97 717.21 Mm . 717.21 IS1007b D MIO072 3 719.792 720.496 719.81 720.43 Yeah , that's right . 720.05 720.43 IS1007b C MIO075 2 719.701 724.409 719.85 724.409 it does not consume much power . 724.17 IS1007b A MIO049 0 720.354 721.654 720.354 721.654 . 721.654 IS1007b B MIO025 1 721.936 727.972 721.936 727.972 Okay , that's all . 724.83 727.86 IS1007b D MIO072 3 726.127 737.589 726.45 737.4 Oh , but you have a catch there , um assume that um if you want to go to if you are watching channel two and if you want to go to channel ninety nine , then . 726.67 727.97 735.08 737.4 IS1007b C MIO075 2 737.088 745.094 737.11 745.094 Well , then y you you go to the main menu and uh you have uh go to channel and then uh you can 737.37 IS1007b B MIO025 1 742.576 742.976 742.61 742.94 Mm . 742.94 IS1007b B MIO025 1 743.381 752.037 743.5 751.75 Mm . No , because you choose by channel , so you choose by T_V_ program so you don't have hundred channels to choose from . 744.09 744.25 745.66 751.75 IS1007b C MIO075 2 746.992 749.085 747.01 749.085 Yeah . Maybe you 747.74 IS1007b D MIO072 3 747.003 748.704 747.04 748.61 Uh-huh huh huh huh . 748.61 IS1007b C MIO075 2 752.615 753.483 752.615 753.483 . 753.483 IS1007b D MIO072 3 752.608 753.649 752.64 753.45 Mm-hmm hmm hmm . 753.45 IS1007b B MIO025 1 753.024 755.238 753.04 754.99 If you go by channel , you don't have to do that . 753.95 754.99 IS1007b C MIO075 2 754.912 770.032 754.912 770.032 but uh I I think i i if you if you want to to make uh well a a big jump but uh well you you have to to have a a a device when you could you could - IS1007b D MIO072 3 756.048 756.448 756.08 756.448 But - IS1007b A MIO049 0 756.742 757.521 756.95 757.521 So you are - IS1007b B MIO025 1 759.6 760.016 759.68 759.98 Ah . 759.98 IS1007b B MIO025 1 761.846 763.159 762.01 762.78 Ah , a big jump . 762.25 762.78 IS1007b D MIO072 3 761.717 764.352 762.07 764.21 Yeah then yeah that's right . 764.21 IS1007b B MIO025 1 770.56 771.76 770.58 771.76 A mouse or - IS1007b C MIO075 2 771.984 787.776 772.0 787.776 Well , not a mouse but uh something that that says more clearly that uh right , left , up , down , well , the to have the ability to to to write something to the navigator , maybe directly , or 772.48 777.92 778.59 778.85 780.19 781.39 786.26 787.48 IS1007b B MIO025 1 779.368 780.27 779.63 780.16 Yeah . 780.16 IS1007b D MIO072 3 779.728 780.992 779.75 780.96 Mm hmm hmm . Okay . 780.52 780.96 IS1007b A MIO049 0 780.711 781.327 780.73 781.13 Mm . 781.13 IS1007b D MIO072 3 789.625 790.638 789.76 790.15 Okay . 790.15 IS1007b C MIO075 2 789.733 796.4 789.79 796.25 So , we can think of buttons like in the telephone to send messages or things like that . 791.55 796.25 IS1007b B MIO025 1 789.696 791.184 790.87 791.184 Mm . 791.14 IS1007b B MIO025 1 796.56 796.992 796.59 796.96 Mm-hmm . 796.96 IS1007b C MIO075 2 799.044 801.354 799.36 801.354 But we'll see . 801.23 IS1007b A MIO049 0 799.303 803.489 799.61 803.17 How the this remote ? 803.17 IS1007b B MIO025 1 803.84 826.385 803.86 826.385 Uh it's gonna be small . Yeah . So it'll beep if you wanna find it you just uh shout y h just it just has to re respond to you when you look for the device . I dunno how bu 807.24 807.7 822.36 IS1007b A MIO049 0 806.206 809.672 806.49 809.37 Yeah , of course small . 806.68 809.37 IS1007b D MIO072 3 809.248 814.371 809.248 814.371 too small that it goes under the sofa and we can't find it . 814.27 IS1007b D MIO072 3 820.983 822.569 821.15 822.51 Yeah , that's . 821.52 822.51 IS1007b D MIO072 3 824.396 831.584 824.396 831.55 just give it a name and we call him . Yeah , that's right . Yeah , that's right . 829.71 830.02 830.88 831.14 831.55 IS1007b B MIO025 1 827.26 834.992 827.26 834.992 And responds to you , and 829.72 IS1007b C MIO075 2 835.072 839.235 835.1 839.235 Okay , so uh next presentation 835.54 IS1007b A MIO049 0 840.608 841.568 840.63 841.53 Participant four . 841.53 IS1007b A MIO049 0 850.156 851.387 850.22 851.12 So Harry . 851.12 IS1007b D MIO072 3 851.216 875.456 851.24 875.456 Okay , after having the inputs from industrial design and user interface , I think most of the points which I want to are already covered here . And to find the most interesting features what the users would be interested , then what we have done is we have put a feedback forms in all the magazines , and the users send the feedbacks , and based on that 851.68 857.15 860.89 866.16 870.78 874.22 IS1007b C MIO075 2 855.664 857.707 855.68 857.707 Mm . 857.34 IS1007b D MIO072 3 876.992 888.16 877.01 888.16 These are the findings which we got and yeah adding of a speech interface is always good for a T_V_ remote but the technology - IS1007b D MIO072 3 889.216 891.68 889.26 891.68 We already know that as discussed earlier - IS1007b C MIO075 2 890.592 900.983 890.61 900.94 Well I I think it will be a , yes , a bit complicated to um make a speech recognisers runs on the small uh ts 892.89 893.41 IS1007b D MIO072 3 901.424 904.448 901.45 904.41 An it does how feasible it is . 904.41 IS1007b B MIO025 1 902.076 914.48 902.12 914.48 I- mm . But I think if you to recognise numbers it's a well-studied problem . I if you just recognise uh numbers is a limited you have limited vocabulary 904.49 909.58 IS1007b D MIO072 3 913.34 918.72 913.58 918.72 Oh we can put an limited vocabulary as in the mobile phones . We just have the 917.34 IS1007b C MIO075 2 917.056 917.392 917.08 917.36 Yeah . 917.36 IS1007b C MIO075 2 918.882 924.64 919.1 924.61 And this can allow to choose the the program , for instance without uh adding uh buttons 921.2 IS1007b B MIO025 1 919.074 919.688 919.22 919.52 Mm . 919.52 IS1007b B MIO025 1 925.008 925.392 925.03 925.36 Yeah . 925.36 IS1007b C MIO075 2 925.632 926.905 925.65 926.8 so it's a good idea . 926.8 IS1007b D MIO072 3 925.979 936.224 925.979 936.19 it's not going to take much space also . It's going to be very slim . And next one was the size of the remote control . It has to be of course a very slim and small one . 929.02 930.99 933.52 936.19 IS1007b B MIO025 1 930.064 930.32 930.08 930.29 Mm . 930.29 IS1007b B MIO025 1 931.005 931.619 931.17 931.49 Mm . 931.49 IS1007b D MIO072 3 937.36 946.261 937.38 946.261 And of course most of the people are interested in if it's less expensive , so this is an important criteria here is 943.44 IS1007b B MIO025 1 943.216 943.681 943.33 943.54 Mm . 943.54 IS1007b A MIO049 0 943.36 943.771 943.42 943.73 Mm-hmm . 943.73 IS1007b B MIO025 1 944.737 946.592 944.737 946.592 But - IS1007b A MIO049 0 945.84 951.582 945.86 951.35 But do you think what they sug suggested s possibility . 951.35 IS1007b D MIO072 3 950.288 953.36 950.31 953.33 I mean we have to look for a trade-off . The features and the cost . 951.86 953.33 IS1007b B MIO025 1 950.43 950.953 950.51 950.7 Mm . 950.7 IS1007b B MIO025 1 951.788 952.327 951.9 952.19 Yeah . 952.19 IS1007b B MIO025 1 952.875 966.624 952.875 966.57 I no I I think that uh i if we go for quality people may tolerate for high quality and of course comes with uh reasonable cost . Maybe not less , but they may be willing to pay 963.18 964.08 IS1007b A MIO049 0 953.696 955.92 953.72 955.92 Yeah . 955.51 IS1007b D MIO072 3 966.688 969.917 966.82 969.74 Little bit more if it's with extra features . 969.74 IS1007b B MIO025 1 967.602 970.752 967.62 970.72 little bit more for comfort , yeah , extra features . 969.69 969.87 970.72 IS1007b C MIO075 2 967.237 967.952 967.65 967.91 Yeah . 967.91 IS1007b A MIO049 0 967.591 968.14 967.88 968.14 It - IS1007b A MIO049 0 969.472 969.744 969.49 969.69 Yeah . 969.69 IS1007b C MIO075 2 971.184 975.243 971.2 975.243 Yeah , s s speech is a important extra feature I think 971.44 IS1007b D MIO072 3 971.441 972.077 971.6 972.03 Okay . 972.03 IS1007b D MIO072 3 974.262 975.792 974.65 975.72 Yeah , yeah . That's right . 974.9 975.16 975.72 IS1007b B MIO025 1 974.621 976.653 974.88 976.56 Mm . Yeah . 976.22 976.56 IS1007b A MIO049 0 975.904 977.68 975.95 977.64 But is it useful or not u - IS1007b C MIO075 2 978.208 980.086 978.24 980.086 Well , uh 978.64 IS1007b A MIO049 0 978.403 983.162 978.42 983.162 I don't know . There is in the 978.91 IS1007b D MIO072 3 979.909 993.344 979.98 993.31 I mean , for a lazy guys they could say nine and the nine channel comes . Or they say movie name or I don't go for movie names but only for the numbers on the channel , or volume up , volume down , brightness , contrast . 980.34 984.7 990.19 990.89 992.0 992.6 993.31 IS1007b B MIO025 1 982.224 982.512 982.24 982.47 Mm . 982.47 IS1007b B MIO025 1 990.784 991.433 990.92 991.28 Mm . 991.28 IS1007b B MIO025 1 993.76 994.112 993.79 994.08 Mm . 994.08 IS1007b A MIO049 0 994.08 994.48 994.11 994.44 Mm . 994.44 IS1007b D MIO072 3 994.672 1001.392 994.69 1001.36 So , I think this should be a good idea , to put this features . And the fourth one was the teletext in various languages . 995.02 996.84 998.17 1001.36 IS1007b C MIO075 2 1002.336 1014.688 1002.36 1014.688 Well , we are we we just have to find a mean how to to add a m a a a microphone or uh well yes a microphone into the the remote control , so 1002.58 1014.25 IS1007b D MIO072 3 1006.0 1007.206 1006.07 1007.206 Mm , I think 1006.39 IS1007b C MIO075 2 1016.048 1020.032 1016.39 1020.032 I well it will be alright . 1019.91 IS1007b A MIO049 0 1018.096 1019.609 1018.12 1019.609 I think i - IS1007b B MIO025 1 1020.032 1021.372 1020.05 1021.26 What is the teletext ? 1021.26 IS1007b A MIO049 0 1020.094 1029.28 1020.094 1029.24 If it's necessary can you can do that . We can integrate small microphone in the remote so it's not really a problem . 1023.95 1029.24 IS1007b B MIO025 1 1022.688 1022.96 1022.71 1022.93 Mm . 1022.93 IS1007b C MIO075 2 1026.457 1027.088 1026.77 1026.96 Yeah . 1026.96 IS1007b C MIO075 2 1029.664 1030.336 1029.77 1030.3 Okay . 1030.3 IS1007b A MIO049 0 1032.032 1038.945 1032.05 1038.86 What about lighting adaptive options ? According to the re to the new requirements I think we don't need that . 1035.06 1038.86 IS1007b D MIO072 3 1034.324 1043.908 1034.55 1043.64 Yeah as discussed in the earlier meeting , but I think uh not much people are really interested in this point if it's not really required . 1036.58 1043.64 IS1007b A MIO049 0 1040.176 1040.528 1040.2 1040.47 Yeah . 1040.47 IS1007b B MIO025 1 1043.168 1047.984 1043.19 1047.95 It is interesting but we are only concerned with the remote controller . 1047.95 IS1007b A MIO049 0 1047.704 1048.256 1047.84 1048.22 Mm . 1048.22 IS1007b B MIO025 1 1049.088 1056.56 1049.11 1056.52 So you need s special T_V_ sets to do that ? Or it's it's done via this remote controller ? 1052.18 1056.52 IS1007b B MIO025 1 1057.68 1058.704 1057.7 1058.67 It's very complex . 1058.67 IS1007b D MIO072 3 1057.744 1058.525 1057.76 1058.525 I mean - IS1007b C MIO075 2 1058.816 1061.616 1058.85 1061.616 Yeah , I think it's a bit complex too 1059.5 IS1007b D MIO072 3 1062.256 1071.824 1062.28 1071.72 I mean yeah , it's for the um industrial design and users interface designers to decide if it's going to be working or not . 1062.9 1071.72 IS1007b B MIO025 1 1067.817 1068.504 1067.87 1068.28 Mm . 1068.28 IS1007b C MIO075 2 1071.84 1080.704 1072.02 1080.704 For our next product , our new T_V_ set with uh automatical uh sound adjustment light 1073.48 IS1007b D MIO072 3 1073.302 1074.342 1073.62 1074.342 I think - IS1007b B MIO025 1 1074.928 1076.528 1074.96 1076.43 Yeah , then we can conclude that . 1075.36 1076.43 IS1007b B MIO025 1 1077.68 1078.016 1077.7 1077.98 Yeah . 1077.98 IS1007b B MIO025 1 1079.12 1083.616 1079.14 1083.57 Yeah , but it's quite possible but maybe not in this project . 1079.75 1083.57 IS1007b A MIO049 0 1091.983 1095.723 1092.5 1095.57 So we have I think we have s still we have - IS1007b A MIO049 0 1098.048 1099.744 1098.07 1099.71 couple of minutes . Mm-mm . 1099.31 1099.71 IS1007b A MIO049 0 1106.696 1108.543 1106.98 1108.08 So any things to - IS1007b A MIO049 0 1109.648 1110.498 1109.67 1110.38 to discuss ? 1110.38 IS1007b D MIO072 3 1111.328 1115.456 1111.35 1115.4 I think as I discussed th that four points would be good for um marketing . 1115.4 IS1007b A MIO049 0 1111.274 1113.128 1111.38 1113.0 Or any suggestions ? 1113.0 IS1007b D MIO072 3 1117.184 1123.142 1117.3 1123.08 The speech interface and uh less uh reasonable uh cost . 1123.08 IS1007b A MIO049 0 1119.459 1120.567 1119.78 1120.51 Expensive . 1120.51 IS1007b A MIO049 0 1121.998 1122.573 1122.09 1122.54 Price . 1122.54 IS1007b B MIO025 1 1122.958 1123.738 1123.23 1123.54 Mm . 1123.54 IS1007b D MIO072 3 1124.16 1157.952 1124.18 1157.92 And the lighting adaptation and the teletext . And regarding the teletext uh these are the subtitl these are the text information which you got on the televisions . If you are watching an foreign movie , you get subtitles sometimes . And uh if you are a French guy watching an English movie you would like to have it in French . And if I am a German then I would like to have the my options in German . So , the remote it should have some it should give me some flexibility of choosing the ch languages . That should be a good uh point . 1126.87 1134.78 1136.7 1139.07 1144.46 1148.54 1148.84 1155.49 1157.92 IS1007b B MIO025 1 1125.76 1126.609 1126.02 1126.33 Mm . 1126.33 IS1007b B MIO025 1 1133.577 1134.48 1133.577 1134.43 Okay . 1134.43 IS1007b B MIO025 1 1136.432 1138.496 1136.45 1138.46 Yeah . Okay . 1137.92 1138.46 IS1007b B MIO025 1 1139.764 1140.31 1139.86 1139.99 Mm . 1139.99 IS1007b C MIO075 2 1144.006 1144.694 1144.006 1144.694 . 1144.694 IS1007b C MIO075 2 1151.111 1151.98 1151.32 1151.68 Function . 1151.68 IS1007b C MIO075 2 1159.104 1169.28 1159.31 1169.24 Yeah , but well what about the the new project's requirement ? I I I think we should give up with teletext , no ? 1160.1 1164.22 1169.01 1169.24 IS1007b A MIO049 0 1166.528 1168.75 1166.55 1168.75 I think we we can we - IS1007b A MIO049 0 1171.046 1173.264 1171.046 1173.08 is the . 1173.08 IS1007b C MIO075 2 1171.696 1172.112 1171.72 1172.08 Yes . 1172.08 IS1007b C MIO075 2 1174.864 1184.176 1174.88 1184.05 Well , so maybe we we can j we can already think uh about a way to to access the internet via the television . 1175.18 1184.05 IS1007b B MIO025 1 1184.768 1185.168 1184.8 1185.13 Mm . 1185.13 IS1007b C MIO075 2 1185.664 1187.124 1185.7 1187.124 Because if - IS1007b B MIO025 1 1186.96 1191.174 1186.98 1191.174 Using the T_V_ to access the internet ? Or what ? I didn't quite understand 1189.29 1189.97 IS1007b C MIO075 2 1190.88 1197.04 1190.9 1196.98 Yeah , but uh we can think that in a few years there will be T_V_ set that can access the internet . 1191.2 1196.98 IS1007b A MIO049 0 1191.691 1192.3 1191.82 1192.22 Yeah . 1192.22 IS1007b B MIO025 1 1197.168 1198.0 1197.19 1197.96 Yeah , okay . 1197.66 1197.96 IS1007b C MIO075 2 1197.842 1219.736 1198.03 1219.736 So it's a good idea if i i if we i if if we uh think about how to to to build up our remote uh control w with this functionality in a w which will c which will come in a few years . So if we already have it in our remote control 1216.14 IS1007b D MIO072 3 1198.0 1199.792 1198.04 1199.04 We already have some . 1199.04 IS1007b A MIO049 0 1217.643 1220.624 1217.93 1220.55 So you have to anticipate the the future ? 1220.55 IS1007b C MIO075 2 1220.624 1222.464 1220.65 1222.43 Yeah . Yeah . 1222.2 1222.43 IS1007b B MIO025 1 1221.264 1225.648 1221.28 1225.648 Yeah . The future demand , market demand . 1222.0 1223.17 1225.41 IS1007b D MIO072 3 1224.001 1225.666 1224.001 1225.4 Yeah , that's right . 1224.83 1225.4 IS1007b C MIO075 2 1223.928 1237.936 1224.38 1237.936 Yeah , to desi well , not not to implement it , but to well , to find a way to to add to add this functionality in a yeah , in an in an easy manner , if is possible . 1224.55 1225.84 1227.41 1228.82 1234.51 1235.87 1237.51 IS1007b B MIO025 1 1230.976 1235.16 1231.01 1234.89 The functionality in the future . Alright . 1234.47 1234.89 IS1007b A MIO049 0 1231.45 1232.106 1231.45 1232.106 . 1232.106 IS1007b A MIO049 0 1233.173 1233.824 1233.3 1233.77 In future . 1233.77 IS1007b B MIO025 1 1237.28 1248.724 1237.3 1248.53 Yeah . Because all the T_V_ sets will be digital , right . All the programmes , everything will be in digital than analog . Th the system will change and we have to anticipate for those change . 1238.19 1240.02 1240.24 1241.45 1244.06 1248.53 IS1007b C MIO075 2 1245.719 1246.432 1245.719 1246.4 Yeah , yeah . 1246.3 1246.4 IS1007b D MIO072 3 1248.026 1249.423 1248.19 1249.25 Yeah , . 1249.25 1249.25 IS1007b C MIO075 2 1251.572 1253.712 1251.73 1253.712 Okay . So 1253.1 IS1007b A MIO049 0 1252.336 1252.816 1252.36 1252.78 Okay . 1252.78 IS1007b A MIO049 0 1254.428 1258.896 1254.47 1258.83 So let's go for the the lunch break , and 1258.61 IS1007b C MIO075 2 1259.472 1261.792 1260.12 1261.45 Okay , thank you . 1260.48 1261.45 IS1007b A MIO049 0 1260.286 1261.888 1260.41 1261.84 we will meet after . 1261.84 IS1007b D MIO072 3 1260.564 1261.867 1260.82 1261.61 Okay , thank you . 1261.24 1261.61 IS1007b B MIO025 1 1260.257 1262.432 1260.98 1262.27 Okay . Thank you . 1261.86 1262.27 IS1007c A MIO049 0 52.177 55.792 52.49 55.76 So we come to the third meetings . I have 55.38 IS1007c A MIO049 0 57.099 59.202 57.099 59.01 good . 59.01 IS1007c A MIO049 0 60.112 72.743 60.25 72.63 Um so in the last meeting we have discussed the functional design and now we will talk about the conceptual design . 72.63 IS1007c A MIO049 0 76.216 77.008 76.39 76.96 So we - IS1007c C MIO075 2 81.568 92.084 81.59 92.084 Okay so I think I will do my presentation on the components concept so can you please uh open uh - IS1007c A MIO049 0 81.584 82.784 81.6 82.75 will talk about some - IS1007c A MIO049 0 83.57 85.405 83.73 85.24 specific details . 85.24 IS1007c C MIO075 2 96.832 98.272 96.85 98.2 I'm participant two . 98.2 IS1007c C MIO075 2 102.38 104.017 102.57 103.85 Components design . 103.85 IS1007c A MIO049 0 102.644 103.805 103.06 103.805 This - IS1007c C MIO075 2 109.272 153.327 109.82 153.327 Okay so uh the first thing uh I have done is to to made a review together with the uh manufactural uh department and have which components was uh available to build a remote control . So for energy sources we have we have to choose between the solar energy , hand dynamo and uh kinetic um well uh kinetic uh technique to to store the energy . We also um we also can put a regular battery in the in the remote control . Now 126.57 132.65 144.85 152.68 IS1007c A MIO049 0 152.549 157.2 152.68 157.2 Uh this is what we have decided in the last meeting . But if we use battery 156.12 IS1007c C MIO075 2 157.44 176.944 157.46 176.91 Yeah b uh f well uh I meant uh by by battery I meant uh I will not have a uh a wire between the remote control and the energy source but uh I didn't fou we didn't decide yet which kind of battery - IS1007c C MIO075 2 177.768 196.064 178.15 196.01 we will put inside the the remote . So uh it's a point to discuss . Then uh the case material we have uh uh also several choices , like wood , rubber , titanium or latex . But uh well 181.06 184.78 189.87 190.78 191.36 195.01 IS1007c C MIO075 2 197.184 206.208 197.35 205.93 it's not a a re uh well a real issue for the from the technical uh point of view . 205.93 IS1007c C MIO075 2 207.312 228.784 207.38 228.75 Concerning the interface uh we can we can put mm just simple buttons or scrolls or buttons uh much more complicated , but it also requires that the chip to process the button is more complicated so . And uh this is the last point , the choice of chips . 217.36 224.94 227.7 228.75 IS1007c B MIO025 1 220.901 221.322 221.01 221.26 Mm . 221.26 IS1007c C MIO075 2 230.126 249.072 230.36 249.04 So what I have f found is that I think basic battery or kinetic uh energy uh collection is the is the better way to provide energy because I think solar energy wi won't work in a cluttered uh uh environment . 249.04 IS1007c B MIO025 1 247.68 248.095 247.72 247.95 Mm . 247.95 IS1007c C MIO075 2 250.224 301.824 250.24 301.824 So um so I think we can start with these two main things . For the case uh well uh I think that uh titanium is um is a good choice because it's trendy and it's uh it's uh well it's modern and uh user are are are mm will be uh very happy to have a a a nice remote . For the interface uh I think that we can ach achieve uh all the desired functionalities by s just uh using uh rubber buttons , simple buttons and th thus this allow to use a regular chip that are uh well cheaper . 257.82 282.11 292.05 301.12 IS1007c B MIO025 1 302.336 302.688 302.37 302.64 Mm . 302.64 IS1007c C MIO075 2 302.896 308.56 302.92 308.37 And s so uh we can move to the next slide . Yeah . 307.97 308.37 IS1007c B MIO025 1 307.2 311.536 307.22 311.49 Sorry . What is this single curved what does it mean ? 308.48 311.49 IS1007c C MIO075 2 311.856 325.606 311.88 325.606 Well uh uh i i it's uh it's the the shape of the um of the remote . You you will have the well um the the curve will fit into your hand when you grab the 317.29 IS1007c B MIO025 1 315.616 316.732 315.68 316.732 So it's it's not - IS1007c B MIO025 1 322.639 327.456 322.94 327.39 Yo l yeah . When you hold on it , it is comfortable to hold . 324.7 325.58 327.39 IS1007c C MIO075 2 327.472 333.424 327.55 333.3 Yeah . It's more confog f comfortable that if these uh it's completely flat . 328.31 333.3 IS1007c B MIO025 1 331.123 331.872 331.14 331.68 Okay . 331.68 IS1007c B MIO025 1 333.44 338.272 333.46 338.24 Yeah . And the battery , is it kind of a rechargeable or it doesn't matter ? 333.87 334.92 338.24 IS1007c C MIO075 2 338.192 346.192 338.27 346.192 Yeah the um that's the point . The kinetic one is uh y you can recharge uh by the um 340.85 IS1007c B MIO025 1 346.4 349.118 346.42 349.08 That that's what it means by kinetic . 349.08 IS1007c C MIO075 2 348.08 373.624 348.08 373.29 Yeah and by well by just by moving the ar uh your arm the mm well the remote will uh accumulate energy . But I d I don't know it's if it is feasible because I don't know if yet if if the user will move enough to provide the remote um all the necessary energy . 357.99 373.29 IS1007c B MIO025 1 351.808 352.467 351.87 352.26 Okay . 352.26 IS1007c B MIO025 1 353.792 354.256 353.82 354.21 Mm-hmm . 354.21 IS1007c B MIO025 1 357.424 357.92 357.44 357.87 Okay . 357.87 IS1007c B MIO025 1 365.043 365.564 365.21 365.48 Mm . 365.48 IS1007c B MIO025 1 366.943 368.784 366.943 368.74 Mm . 368.74 IS1007c B MIO025 1 369.568 370.333 369.8 370.22 Okay . 370.22 IS1007c B MIO025 1 371.568 372.0 371.59 371.97 Yeah . 371.97 IS1007c B MIO025 1 373.184 386.171 373.2 386.171 Yeah . We we might check with our R_ and D_ department to see if they have this product ready for market . 373.91 385.98 IS1007c C MIO075 2 378.368 391.168 378.39 391.13 Yeah . And yeah and so can you go to the next slide please . So and uh that's uh that summarize well what I have said . 381.83 386.93 391.13 IS1007c B MIO025 1 391.84 395.612 391.87 395.19 Mm mm . Wha 394.6 IS1007c C MIO075 2 393.936 407.906 394.41 407.84 So uh you're right we can uh see in our uh R_ and D_ uh if the kinetic metal is sufficient to provide enough energy . That's it . 406.99 407.84 IS1007c B MIO025 1 400.768 401.967 400.79 401.72 Ah the department . 401.72 IS1007c B MIO025 1 404.144 404.528 404.18 404.49 Mm . 404.49 IS1007c B MIO025 1 411.12 412.064 411.43 412.064 Uh - IS1007c B MIO025 1 432.096 435.687 432.12 435.53 So I um keep in touch with the R_ and D_ department . 435.53 IS1007c C MIO075 2 436.566 439.132 436.76 439.06 Oh yeah I take care , it's all right . 438.32 439.06 IS1007c B MIO025 1 443.168 469.474 443.19 469.42 So the titanium case is the normal case that I'll show you some pictures that I have and you tell me whether they are titanium case or not . 'Cause I am not very sure , plastic , titanium or whatever . There's another point I want to make , is that the uh well you've seen them I le na my presentation that um I point out some why buttons are not the mm 453.11 455.19 455.93 458.63 460.76 IS1007c C MIO075 2 452.132 455.024 452.132 454.95 All right . Yeah . 454.75 454.95 IS1007c B MIO025 1 470.448 473.088 470.49 473.088 not the only ways you can use - IS1007c B MIO025 1 474.336 474.624 474.37 474.59 Yeah . 474.59 IS1007c B MIO025 1 477.296 479.2 477.41 479.15 Yeah , maybe n 478.48 IS1007c A MIO049 0 479.155 480.432 479.39 480.4 We will , okay . 480.08 480.4 IS1007c A MIO049 0 498.803 499.367 498.88 499.19 Three . 499.19 IS1007c B MIO025 1 499.632 499.952 499.65 499.87 Yeah . 499.87 IS1007c B MIO025 1 506.24 508.512 506.26 508.48 So the user interface is uh - IS1007c B MIO025 1 509.952 515.778 510.08 515.59 i it uses the aspect uh of a computer system , a programme which can be seen or heard 513.58 IS1007c B MIO025 1 517.264 521.408 517.28 521.37 or otherwise perceived by the human user and the commands and mechanism - IS1007c B MIO025 1 522.608 550.528 522.67 550.48 the user uses to control its operation and input data . So you s this gives you the ways to input data and we have uh we are more we emphasise more on the graphical user interface here . The idea is to represent buttons as figures , diagrams , symbols and on so you you can easily when you look at the symbols you understand what it is doing . Yeah . Yeah . So . 527.5 536.28 539.8 541.22 548.19 548.8 549.92 550.48 IS1007c A MIO049 0 546.798 548.815 546.94 548.61 What's the function of this button . 548.61 IS1007c A MIO049 0 551.216 553.92 551.24 553.92 I think it makes the the interface really - IS1007c B MIO025 1 554.32 556.496 554.35 556.46 Ea easy to use . 556.46 IS1007c B MIO025 1 559.232 563.057 559.25 563.0 So next one . function five . 562.08 563.0 IS1007c A MIO049 0 559.984 562.737 560.14 562.6 Graphical user interface . 562.6 IS1007c B MIO025 1 565.36 567.686 565.43 567.54 So I can use the button , the mouse maybe . 566.73 567.54 IS1007c A MIO049 0 567.345 570.542 567.54 570.32 A graphical user interface emphasise the use of pictures . 570.32 IS1007c B MIO025 1 570.048 570.448 570.07 570.41 Yeah . 570.41 IS1007c B MIO025 1 572.528 578.928 572.55 578.89 So next line . So the here are some examples . So they cluster the buttons together . 574.23 576.97 578.89 IS1007c B MIO025 1 579.968 586.64 580.02 586.59 They group them into col they colour them and uh they have different forms as well . 586.59 IS1007c B MIO025 1 588.336 589.024 588.43 588.92 Mm - IS1007c B MIO025 1 590.16 592.64 590.18 592.61 but this interface are kind of confusing . 592.61 IS1007c B MIO025 1 593.632 595.84 593.68 595.81 Uh basically there are too many buttons . 595.81 IS1007c B MIO025 1 596.912 598.147 596.93 597.98 Right . Next one . 597.49 597.98 IS1007c C MIO075 2 597.718 598.128 597.91 598.09 Yeah . 598.09 IS1007c B MIO025 1 601.072 604.447 601.09 604.34 So some people are propose voice recognition and - IS1007c B MIO025 1 605.581 631.065 605.63 630.9 so ah by the way I receive an email from the from one our departments saying that the voice recognition has been used in the coffee machine for this by a company when you tell the you say good morning coffee machine and the machine are reply to you . So I just got an email saying that . And it seems like this voice recognition technology is ready to be used so we might consider that , 621.59 624.52 630.9 IS1007c C MIO075 2 621.232 622.275 621.26 622.09 Mm-hmm mm mm . 622.09 IS1007c C MIO075 2 631.84 632.713 631.87 632.59 Yeah fine . 632.59 IS1007c B MIO025 1 631.865 635.488 631.99 635.09 supposedly . The next one . 634.4 635.09 IS1007c B MIO025 1 638.992 662.976 639.11 662.94 Mm so somebody some people use uh some people use a spinning wheel th with the L_C_ display so instead of using the mm buttons you have a L_C_D_ screen and then there you can u you can use that as buttons , you can use that as real so so that could be an option as well . Touch screen , I mean . Next one . 655.15 660.4 661.22 662.49 662.94 IS1007c A MIO049 0 661.324 661.776 661.47 661.74 Yeah . 661.74 IS1007c B MIO025 1 665.952 668.512 666.33 668.47 And some people propose a scroll button . 668.47 IS1007c B MIO025 1 669.888 677.312 669.91 677.26 Integrated with push buttons or you may have scroll button instead of p just the push button . Like the one we have here . 675.9 677.26 IS1007c B MIO025 1 678.464 679.472 678.49 679.39 Uh , next one . 678.96 679.39 IS1007c B MIO025 1 684.288 685.36 684.31 685.11 So - IS1007c B MIO025 1 688.704 689.424 688.73 689.38 mm - IS1007c A MIO049 0 689.742 690.912 690.02 690.47 Mm-hmm . 690.47 IS1007c B MIO025 1 690.985 693.696 691.3 693.66 so there are a few aspects that I collected here . 693.66 IS1007c B MIO025 1 695.6 701.872 695.62 701.82 So s basically this deals with special users , children , handicapped people , 698.89 700.17 701.82 IS1007c B MIO025 1 702.864 705.248 702.88 705.21 old people , and uh 704.33 IS1007c B MIO025 1 706.768 712.736 706.91 712.68 mm and prog basically they are programmable , specially for children . And uh 709.56 711.76 IS1007c B MIO025 1 714.512 720.772 714.55 720.63 mm yeah yeah . And then they also secure uh covers , to protect 717.07 720.04 IS1007c B MIO025 1 722.032 729.344 722.1 729.344 uh secure and hidden programming and battery covers that will protect your settings . So 728.21 IS1007c B MIO025 1 730.416 746.272 730.44 746.24 But we don't have to integrate all these complicated features . I'm just saying that the currently in the market there are there are control there are remote controllers f customisable for different people . Yeah , so that's the point . 733.31 745.11 745.3 746.24 IS1007c B MIO025 1 747.591 748.288 747.69 748.25 The next one . 748.25 IS1007c B MIO025 1 754.368 757.52 754.39 757.49 And uh you see this is the one where you have the protection cover . 757.49 IS1007c B MIO025 1 758.768 774.432 758.79 774.39 Mm maybe useful for children , they migh you you they only see the buttons outside . And for adults wh where you have more control you can see the one inside . So the adults might wanna have a key to lock that to pr so children will not touch the button inside . 760.71 764.28 768.62 774.39 IS1007c C MIO075 2 774.916 775.252 774.97 775.16 Yeah . 775.16 IS1007c B MIO025 1 775.84 776.331 775.86 776.24 Yeah . 776.24 IS1007c C MIO075 2 776.405 777.36 776.47 777.29 S a good idea . 777.29 IS1007c B MIO025 1 779.296 812.4 779.32 812.3 The next one . So this guy this is another company that provides big buttons . At I see that that is useful for old people and then you don't get it lost . But for our product we don't need a big one because you have voice recognition e eventually with use . And you can call your remote controller if you don't know where it is . T_V_ remote controller where are you ? And then , he will beeps and to say that I am here , for example . Is it possible ? 780.96 786.4 791.17 798.19 803.22 805.06 806.23 809.62 811.6 812.3 IS1007c C MIO075 2 795.968 796.602 796.26 796.46 Yeah . 796.46 IS1007c A MIO049 0 811.318 815.312 811.318 815.28 We should include speech synthesis in this case , no ? 815.11 815.28 IS1007c D MIO072 3 812.618 813.367 812.81 813.13 Yeah . 813.13 IS1007c C MIO075 2 812.604 813.616 813.04 813.54 Yeah . 813.54 IS1007c B MIO025 1 815.472 818.471 815.49 818.471 Uh ? 818.33 IS1007c C MIO075 2 816.448 829.28 816.6 829.25 Yeah but uh as Norman say if uh there is uh already a commercial product available who t who do this we we can check uh to integrate it i into our uh new remote control . 829.25 IS1007c D MIO072 3 816.512 817.024 816.66 816.99 Yeah . 816.99 IS1007c B MIO025 1 821.616 822.166 821.64 822.04 Yeah . 822.04 IS1007c B MIO025 1 824.831 825.572 825.05 825.39 Yeah . 825.39 IS1007c B MIO025 1 826.416 826.89 826.44 826.85 Yeah . 826.85 IS1007c B MIO025 1 828.888 856.848 829.35 856.81 Yeah . And uh , this is another one where you can uh the the the part that's a V_ standing for the volume . So there's a up arrow and a down arrow . But you the see that in the V_ , the V_ appears to be the down arrow on the top on the top up arrow if you up arrow there's a V_ like as as if it's turning down so it's confusing interface , so I wanna avoid this kind of thing in the design . 830.36 831.56 839.46 842.4 843.94 854.31 856.81 IS1007c A MIO049 0 849.044 849.599 849.18 849.44 Mm-hmm . 849.44 IS1007c C MIO075 2 854.366 854.944 854.48 854.91 Yeah yeah . 854.91 IS1007c B MIO025 1 858.4 864.368 858.42 864.32 And here are is uh here is a s short summary that I summary that I compiled after the findings I found . 864.32 IS1007c B MIO025 1 865.408 892.29 865.49 892.29 Big buttons are convenient , voice recognition helps , push buttons , scroll buttons , spinning wheels can be used as navigation tools . And uh user customisable is important and finally simplicity simplicity is the key . Yeah . So we have many concepts there but we have to choose later on which ones are important to be used . And basically uh 867.15 868.98 869.83 870.73 875.22 881.62 881.94 891.06 IS1007c C MIO075 2 881.986 886.029 884.43 886.029 Hmm . 885.57 IS1007c C MIO075 2 887.6 887.931 887.62 887.85 Yeah . 887.85 IS1007c C MIO075 2 891.152 932.422 891.28 932.23 Well I I think you it's it's it's fine you have uh reviewed all all the possibilities but uh uh well uh i if we consider that uh the user interface is displayed on the T_V_ screen I don't think we nee uh we need much buttons in the remote since we we just have to navigate and to have a okay or enter key or things like that , because uh adding wheels or scrolls uh makes the thing more complicated and more expensive also , so . 922.77 930.76 932.23 IS1007c B MIO025 1 897.808 898.342 897.83 898.3 Yeah . 898.3 IS1007c B MIO025 1 909.424 909.808 909.45 909.77 Mm-hmm . 909.77 IS1007c B MIO025 1 915.429 916.01 915.55 915.95 Yeah . 915.95 IS1007c B MIO025 1 921.104 921.721 921.13 921.62 Mm . 921.62 IS1007c B MIO025 1 929.472 929.824 929.49 929.79 Mm . 929.79 IS1007c B MIO025 1 930.944 931.472 930.97 931.43 Okay . 931.43 IS1007c A MIO049 0 931.76 951.861 931.78 951.67 Or maybe we can include the user manual in the in the remote control and we should have just a button like help and you say uh and you ik you press the button help and maybe you see the the user m might in the in the T_V_ . 951.67 IS1007c C MIO075 2 949.229 952.896 949.46 952.85 Yeah . That's a good idea . To have a help button . 949.99 951.46 952.85 IS1007c B MIO025 1 953.456 958.48 953.5 958.45 A help button . So you are display on the screen . So on the T_V_ screen . 954.67 956.86 958.45 IS1007c C MIO075 2 954.224 954.647 954.24 954.49 Yeah . 954.49 IS1007c A MIO049 0 953.965 954.656 954.27 954.52 Yeah . 954.52 IS1007c C MIO075 2 956.784 961.652 956.8 961.46 On the T_V_ screen . On the T_V_ screen the uh how to use your remote . 957.74 961.46 IS1007c A MIO049 0 956.784 961.92 956.82 961.92 On T_V_ T_V_ screen . So just you push the button and we will 958.71 IS1007c B MIO025 1 959.728 960.312 959.75 960.18 Okay . 960.18 IS1007c B MIO025 1 961.264 970.016 961.28 969.7 Okay . Okay . So that eliminates all the complicated documentation , okay . So wi 962.58 963.14 968.54 969.11 IS1007c D MIO072 3 961.84 962.192 961.86 962.16 Oh . 962.16 IS1007c A MIO049 0 966.704 966.976 966.73 966.94 Yeah . 966.94 IS1007c D MIO072 3 968.998 986.336 969.12 986.29 But people are often enough looking at the help , once they see the help button they say oh this is a complicated stuff . It's a psychology . Okay . And let us see what the market demands . We could just go to my presentation . 971.66 978.15 980.98 981.56 984.54 986.29 IS1007c A MIO049 0 972.036 973.01 972.1 973.01 If the if - IS1007c A MIO049 0 974.188 980.632 974.188 980.6 No In the case where they need help , in the case where they need help . 978.91 980.6 IS1007c C MIO075 2 976.819 978.494 977.21 978.494 Uh yeah . 978.1 IS1007c C MIO075 2 979.584 981.997 979.584 981.82 In a marketing point of view . 981.82 IS1007c B MIO025 1 981.838 982.629 982.02 982.56 Yeah . 982.56 IS1007c A MIO049 0 984.597 985.169 984.78 985.04 Yeah . 985.04 IS1007c C MIO075 2 985.38 988.376 985.73 988.376 But uh wel well I think - IS1007c A MIO049 0 987.552 994.911 987.57 994.911 It's just for user customizable , for kids or old people . So 990.36 994.22 IS1007c D MIO072 3 989.952 990.906 989.97 990.81 Yeah that's right . 990.81 IS1007c B MIO025 1 993.68 994.032 993.71 993.98 Mm . 993.98 IS1007c D MIO072 3 993.984 999.664 994.01 999.664 I mean it just showed us the remote with an cap which could be used for kids and if you remove the - IS1007c A MIO049 0 999.733 1000.864 999.76 1000.864 So it's the same - IS1007c D MIO072 3 1001.238 1002.77 1001.29 1002.77 Same remote with some - IS1007c A MIO049 0 1003.456 1006.064 1003.48 1006.02 Can be used by both kids and old people . 1006.02 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1004.512 1005.468 1004.55 1005.35 Both yeah . 1005.35 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1005.038 1005.568 1005.1 1005.47 Mm . 1005.47 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1007.568 1038.544 1007.568 1038.544 Well uh what I s propose is that uh you know a remote controller , i it could be a cube , is uh a small device that uh looks like a cube and maybe you can just change the um the buttons , if you ch turn one side you get one one buttons , you turn the other side you get the other buttons , so for maybe new generation people who get used to the computer they want lots of controls . 1014.58 1016.82 1025.62 1029.05 1031.42 1038.1 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1037.632 1043.104 1037.65 1043.104 Maybe for kids , kids they like uh t no l they like to 1039.5 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1040.392 1041.248 1040.5 1041.248 Small - IS1007c C MIO075 2 1041.456 1048.08 1041.64 1047.92 Uh well . So le le let's see what uh what people want . 1042.3 1047.92 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1042.148 1042.775 1042.35 1042.7 Yeah . 1042.7 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1043.984 1045.322 1044.01 1045.29 Let's see the market demand . 1045.29 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1045.33 1048.133 1045.52 1047.88 And then we can decide what what we can yeah . 1047.88 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1046.16 1048.576 1046.18 1048.54 What what market yes yes . 1048.54 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1070.352 1070.864 1070.37 1070.76 So - IS1007c D MIO072 3 1073.12 1112.272 1073.14 1112.23 we just made an marketing survey of what people need from our remotes and how it could be special from the other remotes . And we got the best on the responses from the questionnaires . Uh we also have some prizes for the most creative solutions . And we found the following solutions which we could which would be helpful for our design . So seventy percent of the users , they find their remote controls very ugly , they don't find it pleasant to use in the size or usage or anything . And eighty percent of the people they are always l I mean they are willing to spend more money 1081.53 1086.27 1089.72 1096.03 1098.32 1101.0 1106.33 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1113.296 1115.392 1113.32 1115.36 if the remote control would look fancy . 1115.36 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1116.608 1121.056 1116.63 1121.0 And the current remote controls do not match well the operating behaviour of the user . 1121.0 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1122.192 1124.815 1122.21 1124.75 And seventy five percent of the users - IS1007c D MIO072 3 1126.72 1160.112 1126.74 1160.112 said they zap a lot . And fifty percent say they use only ten percent of the buttons , so the rest of the ninety percent of the buttons they're not used most of the times . So this were the findings which we found . And also they cited frustrations with the present remote controls . Most of fifty percent of the time the remote controls are lost somewhere in the room and people are always searching for them rather than watching the T_V_ . And by the time they found the remote control the program is finished . So they're frustrated a lot 1128.39 1132.22 1137.03 1139.75 1144.71 1154.16 1157.61 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1128.564 1129.287 1128.67 1129.287 Yeah . 1128.95 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1132.0 1132.691 1132.15 1132.33 Yeah . 1132.33 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1132.064 1132.813 1132.33 1132.63 Mm-hmm . 1132.63 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1134.577 1136.659 1134.79 1136.57 Yeah . Yes . 1136.12 1136.57 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1153.552 1153.968 1153.57 1153.93 Yeah . 1153.93 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1157.488 1158.304 1157.66 1158.22 Yeah . 1158.22 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1161.168 1168.359 1161.27 1168.19 And um if the remote control is too complicated it takes much time to learn the functionality of it . 1168.19 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1166.411 1167.024 1166.53 1166.98 Mm . 1166.98 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1167.374 1168.736 1167.39 1168.7 Mm , the functionalities yeah . 1167.61 1168.7 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1169.408 1193.728 1169.43 1193.69 So you can just see the percentage , fifty percent people they responded that they always lose their remotes and thirty four percent they say that it's quite difficult to learn if it's too complex . So keeping in view all these findings and the frustrations I think this should be the solution for them . We should have an L_C_D_ on the rem remote control . 1171.06 1182.82 1191.11 1193.69 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1181.013 1181.44 1181.013 1181.41 Yeah . 1181.41 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1195.76 1196.016 1195.78 1195.98 Oh . 1195.98 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1196.672 1206.624 1196.75 1206.59 Well mm w well I I I don't really see the advantage of having uh L_C_D_ on the on the remote control if we have a a a big screen and uh display on the screen . 1206.59 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1203.792 1204.464 1203.81 1204.43 Big screen . 1204.43 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1207.323 1216.893 1207.47 1216.893 It's yeah of course it's fancy trendy and so on but it's it's expensive to produce and it's not really - IS1007c D MIO072 3 1207.442 1207.936 1207.57 1207.89 Mm-hmm ? 1207.89 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1214.704 1215.336 1214.73 1215.23 Yeah . 1215.23 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1215.424 1236.016 1215.44 1235.89 I mean as our survey says that people are willing to pay more if their remotes are fancy . So if we have a L_C_D_ on the remote , rather than looking onto the T_V_ you just look into a remote and navigate it . It's the same menu as we have saw that iPod remote control . We just play around 1221.24 1223.26 1228.28 1233.57 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1218.711 1219.46 1218.96 1219.18 Yeah . 1219.18 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1229.269 1230.438 1229.51 1230.17 Mm yeah . 1230.17 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1232.192 1232.937 1232.192 1232.77 Yeah yeah . 1232.77 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1233.408 1235.298 1233.44 1235.298 Mm . The thing 1234.59 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1235.152 1240.064 1235.17 1239.91 Yeah but when you play with the iPod you don't have a big screen in front of you , s 1239.57 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1238.768 1239.913 1238.79 1239.83 Yeah . Yeah . 1239.5 1239.83 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1239.136 1239.837 1239.2 1239.6 Yeah . 1239.6 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1238.865 1245.06 1239.22 1244.88 You can use this screen instead of the big se screen , instead of use the yeah . 1242.49 1244.88 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1241.392 1258.736 1241.41 1258.736 Yeah . If you re-use the existing screen , we element eliminate the L_C_D_ , after all the L_C_D_ just to display and if you have the colourful screen you can make the display colourful , fancy , as fancy as the one on the L_C_D_ , maybe even better . So 1242.47 1244.5 1246.51 1253.07 1254.04 1255.7 1257.73 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1249.088 1249.612 1249.11 1249.35 Hmm . 1249.35 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1253.792 1254.551 1253.81 1254.25 Yeah . 1254.25 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1255.217 1256.193 1255.64 1256.05 Yeah . 1256.05 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1258.96 1264.304 1258.98 1264.25 I mean this were the points which we got from the market demands . So 1263.52 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1259.756 1260.488 1259.95 1260.37 Yeah . 1260.37 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1261.738 1262.819 1262.07 1262.76 Yeah . Yeah yeah . 1262.24 1262.76 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1263.501 1264.157 1263.64 1264.03 Yeah . 1264.03 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1264.592 1270.272 1264.62 1270.24 So I th I I well I think we we can focus on the uh on the fancy look on the uh - IS1007c D MIO072 3 1265.866 1266.941 1266.0 1266.941 the other one - IS1007c B MIO025 1 1270.336 1272.688 1270.36 1272.65 Yeah . More on a fancy design . 1270.83 1272.65 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1271.494 1274.581 1271.494 1274.581 Yeah that's fine . Yeah . I mean that's 1272.78 1273.48 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1273.024 1285.472 1273.04 1285.44 on the speech recognition if the technology is available but well I think L_C_D_ will uh will uh make us spend a lot of money for not so big results . 1285.44 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1275.981 1277.925 1275.981 1277.87 Yeah . 1277.87 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1283.392 1283.985 1283.42 1283.8 Mm . 1283.8 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1285.792 1291.312 1285.81 1291.28 Remember we have a s budget for the cost of producing the remote controller . 1291.28 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1285.796 1286.655 1285.98 1286.44 Mm-hmm . 1286.44 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1286.592 1287.139 1286.67 1287.139 But - IS1007c A MIO049 0 1291.84 1292.192 1291.86 1292.13 Yeah . 1292.13 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1292.592 1300.539 1292.63 1300.539 Yeah . So i is so the thing is you can find out how much an L_C_D_ will cost and then we'll decide again . 1292.99 1300.32 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1292.52 1293.934 1292.86 1293.934 Uh yeah we have uh - IS1007c D MIO072 3 1299.488 1309.604 1299.488 1309.604 I mean that should be found out by the Industrial Designers . 1309.3 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1303.744 1308.128 1303.76 1308.03 Uh maybe you can find out the price and tell us next time . Is i if i 1307.4 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1307.12 1312.306 1307.24 1312.306 So price of uh L_C_D_ display . And 1311.22 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1309.536 1310.624 1310.15 1310.59 Yeah . 1310.59 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1310.864 1315.511 1310.88 1315.48 And it's always good to have an voice recognition for the remote controls . 1315.48 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1313.904 1319.292 1313.93 1319.17 Yeah . And also the cost for the speech recognition . Ask our R_ and D_ department . 1314.7 1317.51 1319.17 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1317.131 1323.216 1317.15 1323.17 Mm . It's for it's just for small vocabulary . We it's not yeah . 1318.09 1321.16 1323.17 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1317.044 1317.733 1317.19 1317.57 Yeah . 1317.57 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1320.761 1321.611 1320.85 1321.42 Yeah . 1321.42 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1320.554 1324.784 1320.85 1324.72 Yeah it's o only for a limited vocabulary , say eighty commands or so . 1323.36 1324.72 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1322.452 1323.951 1322.64 1323.85 Yeah . And ho 1323.43 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1324.907 1325.471 1324.97 1325.43 Yeah . 1325.43 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1324.992 1330.34 1325.01 1330.34 Yeah . And also the scroller button , how much will it cost . 1326.08 1327.9 1330.22 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1324.878 1327.133 1325.1 1327.133 Yeah okay . And 1326.34 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1329.84 1336.139 1329.86 1336.07 Well uh compared to the to s the simpl simpler simplest button . 1336.07 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1334.408 1336.947 1334.408 1336.61 Yeah . Push push . 1335.54 1336.61 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1334.985 1346.812 1335.3 1346.61 Mm , the scroll button , from the survey we never see that people would like to have some scrolling button . Because they they just they're just frightened to use the scrollings or help button . 1335.9 1337.36 1341.78 1346.61 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1340.656 1342.654 1340.68 1342.654 Yeah . Yeah I think that 1341.8 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1344.688 1345.383 1344.71 1345.17 Yeah . 1345.17 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1346.304 1364.672 1346.37 1364.62 Yeah I I I think that uh well uh as we have seen in the in the presentation uh well uh about uh uh fifty percent of the of the percent n choose the button so uh I think to have uh five uh simple button is sufficient for our functionality . 1364.62 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1356.135 1357.852 1356.38 1357.71 Don't use the buttons . 1357.71 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1360.944 1361.36 1360.96 1361.32 Yeah . 1361.32 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1362.432 1363.708 1362.45 1363.64 Yeah . Yeah . 1363.39 1363.64 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1364.656 1365.088 1364.68 1365.05 Yeah . 1365.05 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1365.008 1365.871 1365.12 1365.66 Yeah . 1365.66 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1365.146 1370.72 1365.22 1370.68 It doesn't mean that the other buttons are not necessary or important . 1370.68 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1368.896 1369.982 1369.13 1369.89 Important . 1369.89 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1371.072 1371.952 1371.09 1371.952 Yeah . But 1371.75 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1371.952 1374.592 1371.97 1374.56 But they are just less used compar yeah . 1374.56 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1372.767 1374.577 1373.19 1374.34 They're not used much . 1374.34 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1374.512 1388.608 1374.58 1388.608 But the uh the thing is is i is that we can add a functionality on the on the T_V_ screen like uh a a list of function and then you choose with the with the button to well you navigate and you - IS1007c B MIO025 1 1381.318 1382.109 1381.54 1381.85 Yeah . 1381.85 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1383.822 1385.662 1383.91 1385.55 Yeah . Mm . 1385.23 1385.55 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1387.04 1390.832 1387.06 1390.8 Yeah , yeah . So so the at most more power uh . 1387.39 1388.45 1390.8 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1389.179 1397.41 1389.42 1397.31 Or maybe we can u uh or maybe we can uh make this the ten percent of button more bigger than the others . 1397.31 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1398.624 1398.912 1398.64 1398.88 Yeah . 1398.88 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1399.254 1399.992 1399.29 1399.74 So . 1399.74 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1399.952 1428.176 1399.97 1428.176 But if i i if we if we could have a a a display uh g a user interface that is very complete on the T_V_ screen I think that just five buttons are sufficient , one to go up left right down and uh enter and you you you just select the functionality you want to access or things like that . You don't have to to switch to a channel to another uh 1414.54 1424.15 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1414.48 1414.85 1414.5 1414.74 Yep . 1414.74 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1417.968 1418.619 1417.99 1418.43 Yeah . 1418.43 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1421.792 1424.192 1421.83 1424.16 Mm . Mm . Yeah . 1422.87 1423.71 1424.16 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1426.96 1427.661 1426.98 1427.35 Yeah . 1427.35 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1427.227 1428.296 1427.44 1427.86 Mm . 1427.86 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1428.592 1466.496 1428.65 1466.46 Or it could be like this , as the people say , if they have a L_C_D_ on the remote not on the television . Because when you have the L_C_D_ onto the television screen you miss the picture in the background , we are most focused on the commands . So if you have then L_C_D_ in the remote , you just have a menu , and increasing and lower these signs here to change the programs and this menu when you press the menu , in the L_C_D_ displays as you go on pressing the menu it faster displays volume , then the program , then the brightness , contrast and all the stuff . And accordingly you can just increase or decrease . 1430.08 1430.89 1434.05 1441.13 1443.22 1446.1 1447.93 1454.63 1460.29 1461.47 1462.37 1464.21 1466.46 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1443.246 1444.172 1443.43 1444.172 Yeah but - IS1007c B MIO025 1 1462.918 1463.819 1463.14 1463.67 Mm . 1463.67 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1464.162 1476.635 1464.162 1476.51 Yeah but if you look at the L_C_D_ you you don't look at the T_V_ screen so i i it's not really worth to get to have the image if you don't look at , so . 1475.92 1476.51 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1466.416 1467.205 1466.46 1466.94 Mm . 1466.94 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1466.75 1467.718 1466.87 1467.718 It's - IS1007c B MIO025 1 1470.456 1474.064 1470.55 1474.03 Mm . I if Mm . Mm . 1471.14 1473.71 1474.03 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1475.486 1475.974 1475.59 1475.91 Yeah . 1475.91 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1475.872 1482.057 1475.89 1482.057 And I think it's increases the cost of the the remote control if you use L_C_D_ . I 1481.46 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1478.596 1479.177 1478.66 1478.9 Yeah . 1478.9 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1479.597 1481.49 1479.75 1481.46 Yeah that has to be checked out . 1481.46 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1480.928 1522.47 1480.95 1522.26 I think that there's no contradiction here , because if there are few buttons , you don't have to look at your your controller any more because you know where the buttons are , so if you wanna control the screen d sh sharpness you just say sharpness and then you t turn you just press lef increase or decrease button and the same for the volume and the channel , if you had the speech recognition there you just shout your channel , just tell your channel and then you don't even have to look at the butto at the controller so finally that wil eliminates the the need for L_C_D_ , with the help of speech recogniser you can Yeah . 1483.76 1486.01 1490.9 1506.18 1509.02 1518.39 1522.26 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1490.644 1491.064 1490.73 1491.01 Yeah . 1491.01 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1503.84 1504.288 1503.88 1504.25 Yeah . 1504.25 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1514.314 1515.391 1514.76 1515.16 Okay . 1515.16 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1521.216 1530.869 1521.24 1530.7 I mean , better if we could just check all the cost with L_C_D_ and also with the speech recognition . And then we could find which would would be a more suitable in this case . 1522.21 1526.79 1530.7 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1526.131 1526.779 1526.3 1526.59 Mm . 1526.59 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1526.544 1526.752 1526.56 1526.72 Yeah . 1526.72 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1528.576 1532.816 1528.62 1532.816 Mm . Mm . Yeah . A and 1529.41 1530.51 1531.34 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1532.768 1540.971 1532.79 1540.971 And the third problem was to find the remote control . Always , so fifty percent of the people say they lose the remotes . So 1535.6 1536.64 1540.18 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1540.16 1555.393 1540.18 1555.2 Well so we we can think about a well a a vocal command like uh find and when the remote control uh hears fine well yeah just uh to make him beep or t - IS1007c B MIO025 1 1545.2 1545.616 1545.23 1545.57 Mm . 1545.57 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1549.44 1552.237 1549.46 1552.18 Where , yeah . 1551.54 1552.18 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1549.433 1552.891 1549.66 1552.76 You will listen to a peep , special peep . 1551.3 1552.76 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1553.872 1582.249 1553.872 1582.1 Yeah that's right , that's exactly what I mean by voice commander . Or it could be also something like this , uh it's always boring to change the batteries of the remotes control , so we have some one charger there and whenever we don't use the remote control we put it in the charger . And when we're using that t remote and if we misplace somewhere , in the charger we have a small button , and just by pressing the button in the charger the uh remote control beeps , wherever it is . 1554.85 1557.47 1559.82 1563.85 1570.51 1575.12 1577.04 1581.3 1582.1 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1557.43 1558.179 1557.58 1557.96 Yeah . 1557.96 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1557.977 1558.622 1558.22 1558.58 Yeah . 1558.58 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1560.381 1561.046 1560.64 1560.83 Mm . 1560.83 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1563.102 1563.834 1563.21 1563.55 Yeah . 1563.55 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1568.384 1570.256 1568.4 1570.22 Put it back at the charge . Yeah . 1569.84 1570.22 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1568.387 1569.329 1568.77 1569.329 Put - IS1007c C MIO075 2 1581.072 1581.423 1581.09 1581.33 Yeah . 1581.33 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1581.066 1582.185 1581.29 1582.09 Yeah . 1582.09 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1581.098 1582.209 1581.32 1582.07 Okay . 1582.07 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1582.528 1586.777 1582.55 1586.48 And that's a good idea , that's simple , like in phones . 1583.43 1585.62 1586.48 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1584.56 1584.912 1584.58 1584.87 Yeah . 1584.87 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1584.976 1585.328 1585.0 1585.29 Mm . 1585.29 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1585.36 1590.454 1585.38 1590.31 I mean it doe it also doesn't require a voice command , because there are problems with a voice command . 1588.15 1590.31 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1588.439 1588.977 1588.53 1588.71 Yeah . 1588.71 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1588.756 1591.6 1588.94 1591.56 But you don't you don't have to move the the charger . 1591.56 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1590.188 1597.181 1590.59 1597.0 Hmm . Mm . Th yeah . Mm yeah . Yeah . Mm . 1591.28 1592.41 1594.26 1595.26 1596.47 1597.0 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1591.52 1595.45 1591.54 1595.19 Yeah , yeah , yeah . I mean charger would be fixed because it's always with electricity plugged . 1591.88 1592.1 1592.25 1595.19 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1592.451 1594.371 1592.61 1593.94 You have to keep it . 1593.94 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1593.569 1594.276 1593.85 1594.19 Yeah . 1594.19 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1595.056 1598.256 1595.08 1598.2 Yeah if there if there uh there is nuff not enough battery . 1598.2 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1595.479 1596.332 1595.6 1595.89 Okay . 1595.89 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1598.592 1600.592 1598.62 1600.42 Mm . There's mm . Mm . 1599.23 1599.88 1600.42 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1599.079 1602.102 1599.23 1602.02 Also and uh uh the remote is lost . 1602.02 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1602.096 1626.576 1602.12 1626.5 Yeah . That we can what we can do is we can program a function whereby when you press the switch off T_V_ button , the off button , the remote there be s uh instruction on the screen , please charge charge me . You never get it lost because uh every time you're off the computer the T_V_ you are asked the the command the T_V_ com remote controller would tell you to put it back to where to the charger . 1603.22 1609.53 1610.84 1613.5 1616.07 1626.5 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1602.352 1603.264 1602.37 1603.14 Yeah that's right . 1603.14 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1615.632 1616.096 1615.78 1615.98 Yeah . 1615.98 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1626.262 1628.128 1626.34 1628.01 It's an good reminder , yeah that's right . 1627.4 1628.01 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1627.696 1631.312 1627.72 1631.28 Yeah . So you will never get lost yeah . 1628.18 1631.28 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1630.096 1630.878 1630.12 1630.63 Okay . 1630.63 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1632.752 1636.768 1632.77 1636.72 Maybe for some people lazy people . 1636.72 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1635.563 1643.376 1635.96 1643.32 Yeah . Yeah because everything is programmed inside . So it's it's uh it's all about strategy , y 1637.01 1639.76 1643.17 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1639.136 1639.552 1639.16 1639.52 Yeah yeah . 1639.52 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1644.736 1649.888 1644.76 1649.83 And of course the final point is a fancy look . As we have seen earlier the 1648.15 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1647.392 1647.744 1647.43 1647.7 Mm . 1647.7 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1650.976 1662.257 1651.0 1662.257 remotes which were displayed by Norman they weren't fancy , I mean mm very big or something with lot of buttons . I think we should have something it 1655.42 1659.33 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1652.003 1652.794 1652.23 1652.66 Mm . 1652.66 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1654.128 1656.993 1654.2 1656.993 They were ugly . They 1655.96 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1655.205 1657.793 1655.205 1657.74 Yeah , yeah . 1657.14 1657.74 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1657.354 1658.119 1657.55 1657.97 Mm . 1657.97 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1661.552 1663.808 1661.57 1663.77 Well the last one with the um - IS1007c B MIO025 1 1663.984 1667.776 1664.01 1667.72 With uh two two two parts controller . 1667.72 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1664.543 1669.859 1664.543 1669.859 yeah with the two parts was uh original , so 1669.18 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1668.608 1680.96 1668.63 1680.86 I mean uh I mean uh I mean uh you see if it's like that even a kid who wants to have a control he could just plug it and use it , you can't avoid him . But you can have an button for child lock . 1677.61 1678.79 1680.86 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1675.48 1677.265 1675.48 1677.07 Yeah . 1677.07 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1681.76 1682.128 1681.83 1682.09 Yeah . 1682.09 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1682.736 1683.088 1682.8 1682.97 Yeah . 1682.97 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1683.568 1684.134 1683.6 1683.82 Mm . 1683.82 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1683.485 1690.24 1683.73 1690.24 So just by pressing the button with some code , you t you put a lock onto the remote , so that he can't use even 1686.29 1688.62 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1685.374 1685.719 1685.41 1685.66 Mm . 1685.66 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1687.2 1688.512 1687.6 1688.47 Mm . Mm . 1688.21 1688.47 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1689.315 1706.558 1689.65 1706.34 Well we can think about uh having uh on the on the on the user interface when you switch on the T_V_ you can uh well write a code or choose a category , if it is kids , uh things like that . 1703.19 1704.78 1706.34 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1689.496 1690.211 1689.72 1690.02 Mm . 1690.02 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1695.962 1697.157 1696.12 1697.157 Mm uh - IS1007c B MIO025 1 1696.512 1697.022 1696.63 1696.93 Mm . 1696.93 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1701.925 1702.514 1702.05 1702.514 Or - IS1007c B MIO025 1 1702.944 1703.637 1702.97 1703.53 Mm . 1703.53 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1705.44 1707.168 1705.49 1707.13 Yeah . Mm . 1706.73 1707.13 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1706.224 1707.084 1706.28 1706.9 That's right . 1706.9 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1707.472 1720.752 1707.49 1720.72 Or maybe you have to to show some specific programmes for kids and then just just yeah just push uh kids button so it's automatically - IS1007c B MIO025 1 1713.072 1713.563 1713.09 1713.49 Mm . 1713.49 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1714.584 1716.624 1714.584 1716.59 these are probl yeah . 1716.59 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1718.327 1719.456 1718.39 1719.41 Mm . Mm . 1719.11 1719.41 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1721.024 1721.328 1721.06 1721.29 Mm . 1721.29 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1722.351 1723.344 1722.351 1723.344 . 1723.344 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1724.153 1726.784 1724.28 1726.72 So if he . 1726.72 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1727.644 1736.606 1727.71 1736.606 I think these other four points they're the market demands and so it's for the user interface design and industrial design to just think - IS1007c C MIO075 2 1733.51 1735.125 1733.53 1734.8 So for mm yeah . 1734.8 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1733.881 1734.697 1734.05 1734.51 Mm . 1734.51 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1734.063 1734.854 1734.34 1734.63 Yeah . 1734.63 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1735.888 1746.906 1735.91 1746.87 So for my part I will check the prices the um the prices difference uh of what to use , where to use , and s uh and so on . 1743.6 1744.81 1746.87 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1745.503 1750.432 1745.56 1750.4 Yeah I think it should be clearer for us in the next meeting that th uh these could be included . 1750.4 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1748.278 1748.825 1748.4 1748.77 Yeah . 1748.77 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1749.92 1755.264 1749.94 1755.23 Mm . I think we need to define also a s the set of vocabularies for the speech recogniser 1750.74 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1756.672 1756.896 1756.69 1756.86 Yeah . 1756.86 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1757.184 1774.464 1757.22 1774.464 because uh if you want uh say we can sort by channels or sort by T_V_ programs , you have to decide a category of vocabularies for them . If numbers , they're easy , but if name the channel by by name 1765.08 1769.69 1770.4 1771.68 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1771.344 1771.744 1771.37 1771.71 Mm-hmm . 1771.71 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1775.184 1791.569 1775.2 1791.569 Well I think we can we can have just numbers for channels and you can say to your remote control like uh sports and then on the T_V_ you have a list with with uh uh well with sports program playing now and and uh - IS1007c B MIO025 1 1787.12 1787.472 1787.15 1787.43 Mm . 1787.43 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1790.544 1811.425 1790.57 1811.425 No , we have a problem there . You see uh if you have a voice commands and you are s you are watching a score on uh basketball score or something , and if the score comes twenty four thirty five , you've just say twenty five and suddenly the screen the channel goes to twenty five . So I think there should be a prefix to some numbers 1790.99 1792.37 1799.25 1801.84 1807.89 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1803.321 1804.48 1803.37 1804.3 Yeah it's yeah . 1804.3 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1807.849 1809.473 1808.26 1809.36 That's right , yeah , yeah . 1808.73 1809.05 1809.36 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1808.14 1808.966 1808.29 1808.56 Mm . 1808.56 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1810.26 1819.179 1810.33 1819.179 Well but well e every possible word uh has a probability to come about of the T_V_ so . 1818.69 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1816.952 1817.627 1817.15 1817.59 Yeah . 1817.59 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1817.616 1830.864 1817.64 1830.82 I mean the the you just check all the probability that saying T_V_ twenty five and just ordinary twenty five . Ordinary twenty five you almost there's a probability of being said around sixty seventy percent and T_V_ twenty five 1823.83 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1823.616 1824.25 1823.64 1823.91 Mm . 1823.91 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1823.572 1824.271 1823.65 1824.1 Yeah yeah . 1824.1 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1827.168 1829.52 1827.31 1829.48 Yeah but well okay . 1829.48 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1827.424 1828.275 1827.46 1828.1 Mm . 1828.1 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1831.92 1837.776 1831.95 1837.72 I dunno it will be round about one or two percent . So it's better to have some prefix before the number . 1834.47 1837.72 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1832.379 1833.221 1832.64 1833.12 Mm . 1833.12 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1834.016 1834.368 1834.04 1834.31 Mm-hmm . 1834.31 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1834.304 1834.929 1834.34 1834.8 Mm . 1834.8 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1837.792 1844.672 1837.82 1844.64 But I I I think that the user would like wou would like to associate the channel or call the channel rather than than the numbers . 1844.64 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1844.465 1846.308 1844.6 1846.01 Yeah something , some code . 1845.48 1846.01 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1845.728 1855.328 1845.77 1855.28 You say numbe channel number five of the T_V_ correspond to something else in the channel . So some people may want to say , I want to see this channel . 1851.93 1853.38 1855.28 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1851.072 1851.616 1851.09 1851.58 Yeah yeah . 1851.58 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1854.357 1855.333 1854.54 1855.24 Mm mm . 1855.24 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1856.096 1856.704 1856.13 1856.704 Well I - IS1007c D MIO072 3 1856.08 1860.304 1856.2 1860.25 That will be too big . And it will be difficult for the vocabulary also . 1857.61 1860.25 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1857.573 1858.785 1857.92 1858.785 Or just - IS1007c B MIO025 1 1859.856 1867.248 1859.88 1867.21 Yeah . Check with the v R_ and D_ department the capability of recogniser . Uh ? 1860.79 1866.95 1867.21 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1862.955 1878.08 1862.98 1878.04 It's difficult to to just say the the name of the channel . It will be difficult to say just the name of the channel . Because you have to s t uh a ch yeah but you have to to have all the name of the channel in your vocabulary . 1867.08 1870.93 1878.04 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1870.988 1873.072 1871.09 1873.04 Well , it's convenient for the user . 1871.5 1873.04 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1879.535 1884.144 1879.68 1884.144 Als might be you just forgot the channel name , you kno only know the number . Then 1882.11 1883.82 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1880.72 1881.512 1880.77 1881.512 Or maybe - IS1007c C MIO075 2 1882.08 1882.854 1882.19 1882.71 Yeah . 1882.71 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1884.304 1886.382 1884.32 1886.06 The uh uh mm . 1886.06 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1884.48 1894.498 1884.5 1894.34 Or maybe the user can create his own vocabulary , just pronouncing the the name of channels and include in the vocabulary . 1888.84 1894.34 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1887.602 1888.576 1887.602 1888.54 Mm . 1888.54 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1890.272 1934.288 1890.29 1934.288 I I think that I have mm mm I think there's another way you can do is that uh you can uh if when the user ch press a button to choose the channel for example , then what you can do is that the you can make the T_V_ screen to split them into small little little squares of images where you you you have a snapshot of every channel , so let's say it's a four by four matrix of the images , so now what you do is f looking at the all the sixteen channels available at one time , you just use the control button uh , you just you you just choose the the option you want and then you just hit the button and then you go to that channel . So 1905.64 1916.77 1920.15 1925.16 1927.41 1933.46 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1927.329 1928.642 1927.44 1928.42 Yeah , the . 1927.8 1928.42 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1934.208 1938.088 1934.23 1937.96 Or lets the user create his own vocabulary - IS1007c B MIO025 1 1936.608 1936.928 1936.63 1936.89 Mm . 1936.89 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1939.28 1942.016 1939.38 1941.98 So you you don't use the speech recogniser in that way . 1941.98 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1939.35 1940.721 1939.56 1940.35 of channel . 1940.35 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1942.848 1946.743 1942.87 1946.7 No . Just you have uh in the beginning you have 1943.57 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1947.456 1958.554 1947.48 1958.554 uh t you have to train you have to create the vocabulary by yourself . By associating each channel with the name or 1954.49 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1952.144 1953.536 1952.16 1953.5 Oh , okay . Yeah . 1952.27 1953.3 1953.5 IS1007c C MIO075 2 1953.76 1955.241 1953.78 1955.241 Well I uh I also - IS1007c C MIO075 2 1958.56 1998.418 1958.58 1998.26 I I also think about uh another problem , if if there is uh more than one person who is watching T_V_ the s well the the speech uh r recogniser should be able to distinguish between the two . Because uh I remember when I was a young child with my sister we yeah we always want to w to watch different emission at the at the same time so it's a pr it could be a problem if uh if well if someone passes by when you are watching T_V_ and say oh T_V_ thirty and just run , s 1961.43 1973.3 1997.9 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1966.597 1968.651 1966.85 1967.99 Yeah yeah , . 1967.99 1967.99 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1966.656 1970.036 1967.04 1970.036 And for each one has his own . 1969.54 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1974.176 1974.596 1974.2 1974.42 Mm . 1974.42 IS1007c A MIO049 0 1978.384 1981.952 1978.4 1981.952 Or you have to s - IS1007c B MIO025 1 1979.92 1982.0 1979.94 1981.74 Yeah , I wanna watch this , I wanna watch that . 1980.18 1981.02 1981.74 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1980.335 1981.21 1980.56 1981.09 Yeah . 1981.09 IS1007c B MIO025 1 1997.76 1998.176 1997.79 1998.14 Mm . 1998.14 IS1007c D MIO072 3 1999.28 2026.56 1999.32 2026.53 A and in the same lines we would have a one more problem . If we are using the television in the different environments , say in the factories or in the shops where there is a lot of noise and this voice commands if they fail to work , that would bring a bad name bad uh reputation for our company . So I think we should specify some pre-requirements if we want to use a voice commands , say that it should be used in an silent homely environment or s something . 2001.7 2004.89 2011.69 2014.99 2021.47 2026.53 IS1007c C MIO075 2 2006.504 2007.464 2006.97 2007.43 Yeah , yeah . 2007.24 2007.43 IS1007c A MIO049 0 2008.528 2008.88 2008.57 2008.85 Yeah . 2008.85 IS1007c B MIO025 1 2013.408 2013.8 2013.5 2013.73 Mm . 2013.73 IS1007c A MIO049 0 2014.889 2015.52 2015.11 2015.39 Mm . 2015.39 IS1007c C MIO075 2 2024.912 2026.4 2024.912 2026.29 Yeah . 2026.29 IS1007c A MIO049 0 2027.744 2032.448 2027.76 2032.41 Or we can switch on or switch off the the special , yeah . 2032.21 2032.41 IS1007c D MIO072 3 2029.904 2032.128 2030.45 2032.08 Yeah that's right that should be an option . 2032.08 IS1007c B MIO025 1 2032.528 2032.944 2032.65 2032.91 Mm . 2032.91 IS1007c C MIO075 2 2033.088 2040.692 2033.13 2040.52 Yeah that's well I think that's a good uh a good option because it's simple and uh simple to implement also , so . 2039.94 2040.52 IS1007c B MIO025 1 2038.318 2038.823 2038.42 2038.69 Hmm . 2038.69 IS1007c D MIO072 3 2040.144 2041.975 2040.17 2041.91 I think these are the practical problems . 2041.91 IS1007c D MIO072 3 2043.024 2045.024 2043.04 2044.99 So we need to take care of them in the design . 2044.99 IS1007c A MIO049 0 2045.35 2050.762 2045.45 2050.67 Maybe we'll discuss them in next meeting . It's time to close this meeting . 2048.02 2050.67 IS1007c C MIO075 2 2050.401 2051.01 2050.52 2050.98 Okay . 2050.98 IS1007c B MIO025 1 2050.736 2056.514 2050.76 2051.64 Well , you you stay a five minutes . 2050.9 2056.14 IS1007c D MIO072 3 2050.613 2051.673 2050.91 2051.52 Okay . 2051.52 IS1007c D MIO072 3 2052.672 2060.704 2052.672 2060.704 Oh it came there on three minutes back so we are I think we can just press the okay . 2060.48 IS1007c A MIO049 0 2052.686 2065.209 2052.686 2064.91 Yeah . Okay . Thanks for your collaborations . 2058.06 2063.2 2064.91 IS1007c C MIO075 2 2059.539 2060.336 2059.7 2060.17 Okay . 2060.17 IS1007c C MIO075 2 2062.88 2064.096 2062.9 2064.02 So I see ya . 2064.02 IS1007c D MIO072 3 2064.048 2067.216 2064.07 2067.05 Okay . See you another thirty minutes . 2064.57 2067.05 IS1007d A MIO049 0 48.941 57.69 49.61 57.63 So in last meeting we have discussed the conceptual design and we asked you to prepare a prototype for the - IS1007d B MIO025 1 57.68 69.68 57.68 69.53 Okay . 69.53 IS1007d A MIO049 0 58.704 70.576 58.78 70.54 for the remote control . So . So let's see the what 65.8 68.27 IS1007d B MIO025 1 71.152 75.152 71.17 75.12 Yeah , so can you go out to the shared folder ? 71.77 75.12 IS1007d A MIO049 0 71.706 72.736 71.93 72.65 did you prepare . 72.65 IS1007d B MIO025 1 76.224 77.92 76.34 77.89 Mm the shared folder . 77.89 IS1007d A MIO049 0 76.774 80.064 76.89 80.0 Sh share folder for th your presentation ? 80.0 IS1007d B MIO025 1 78.771 79.353 79.0 79.3 Yes . 79.3 IS1007d B MIO025 1 80.048 81.344 80.07 81.3 We have a presentation . 81.3 IS1007d A MIO049 0 81.264 82.656 81.28 82.656 Because I have here - IS1007d B MIO025 1 86.224 86.864 86.27 86.864 Uh - IS1007d B MIO025 1 92.032 94.256 92.05 94.22 So I got the participant uh - IS1007d B MIO025 1 95.248 95.68 95.27 95.64 three . 95.64 IS1007d B MIO025 1 96.912 98.196 96.93 98.11 W uh . 98.11 IS1007d B MIO025 1 99.12 99.712 99.14 99.67 Three . 99.67 IS1007d B MIO025 1 101.024 103.568 101.18 103.53 It's the final design , yeah . 103.22 103.53 IS1007d A MIO049 0 104.112 106.63 104.13 106.16 Okay just one . 106.16 IS1007d B MIO025 1 109.52 112.304 109.54 112.27 S so so I discussed with Guillaume . 112.27 IS1007d C MIO075 2 111.636 112.31 111.73 112.16 Mm . 112.16 IS1007d C MIO075 2 113.216 116.357 113.216 116.11 Yeah . 116.11 IS1007d B MIO025 1 113.812 143.792 113.86 143.76 Right . And uh so we have and we we are both agreed on some two versions of the prototypes , because we were no not decided whether we wanted to have an L_C_D_ or not because it's too expensive . So we come up with two versions . One with and one without L_C_D_s . Um but both comes with a charger and then detachable and uh or control module . 115.15 123.65 129.38 132.27 135.26 143.76 IS1007d B MIO025 1 144.944 149.296 144.96 149.26 And detachable big buttons for all people um . 149.26 IS1007d C MIO075 2 150.98 181.216 150.98 181.18 S okay so I'll show you the the two prototypes . Here we have the first one with the beautiful uh L_C_D_ um display . You you can s here . And you can uh just um browse into the the navigation menu by uh joystick joystick-like uh button . You can uh choose the direction and if you just push on it it's considered like a enter function . 157.73 162.74 165.69 174.25 181.18 IS1007d B MIO025 1 151.088 156.21 151.11 156.12 So . 156.12 IS1007d B MIO025 1 171.653 172.08 171.87 172.05 Mm . 172.05 IS1007d B MIO025 1 179.548 180.128 179.89 180.09 Mm . 180.09 IS1007d B MIO025 1 181.696 182.112 181.72 182.07 Mm-hmm . 182.07 IS1007d C MIO075 2 182.304 194.682 182.32 194.682 You have on the mm on the side here the microphone for the for the speech recognition system here . And here the the switch that control if you want 191.47 IS1007d A MIO049 0 193.968 198.105 194.08 197.95 Why you why you you put it in the the side ? 197.95 IS1007d C MIO075 2 198.368 201.728 198.39 201.728 Well I I I think uh it's the - IS1007d A MIO049 0 201.328 204.32 201.35 204.08 It's not a good place maybe . 204.08 IS1007d C MIO075 2 203.104 204.679 203.12 204.679 Yeah but - IS1007d B MIO025 1 203.968 209.912 203.99 209.88 No i i it's the all around camer uh microphone isn't it . The the microphone picks up 208.4 IS1007d C MIO075 2 210.4 210.672 210.42 210.64 Yeah . 210.64 IS1007d B MIO025 1 210.864 212.974 210.89 212.78 the speeches from anywhere . 212.78 IS1007d D MIO072 3 211.219 213.984 211.4 213.93 Is it an only a single mic or a microphone array ? 213.93 IS1007d C MIO075 2 214.608 245.627 214.63 245.58 Well so it's a microphone array . No it's just a single microphone , and you I I think uh we we put it here because I think when you when you are browsing your L_C_D_ you will be close to well it's better to to to place it here th than here , for instance . And here is a little switch that control if you want the the speaker uh recognition system to um to be on or off . 219.6 221.88 235.63 237.15 245.58 IS1007d A MIO049 0 217.415 222.131 217.6 222.0 Oh it's very costly , microphone array . 219.41 222.0 IS1007d D MIO072 3 217.677 218.304 217.89 218.17 Mm-hmm . 218.17 IS1007d B MIO025 1 220.512 221.983 220.53 221.983 Yeah - IS1007d D MIO072 3 230.208 230.829 230.23 230.58 Yeah . 230.58 IS1007d B MIO025 1 230.225 230.964 230.25 230.77 Mm . 230.77 IS1007d B MIO025 1 234.624 236.416 234.64 236.38 Yeah yeah . 236.38 IS1007d D MIO072 3 235.444 236.211 235.62 236.04 Okay . 236.04 IS1007d C MIO075 2 247.232 252.496 247.31 252.44 And uh so this remote control comes up with its charger . 252.44 IS1007d A MIO049 0 252.612 254.208 252.73 254.16 How much does it cost this one ? 254.16 IS1007d C MIO075 2 254.704 275.616 254.87 275.27 Well this this prototype is um made for about uh well fi fi fifteen fifteen dollars fifteen dollars , but uh well it's not it's not uh yeah , but uh it's just a prototype and if we uh if we optimises the um the uh voila . 264.14 268.55 275.27 IS1007d B MIO025 1 259.264 260.349 259.3 260.349 For the - IS1007d B MIO025 1 261.824 262.16 261.84 262.09 Yeah . 262.09 IS1007d A MIO049 0 262.096 262.864 262.12 262.83 Fifteen dollars ? 262.83 IS1007d A MIO049 0 264.272 267.419 264.35 267.3 Ah it's above it's above the budget . 267.3 IS1007d D MIO072 3 275.584 277.364 275.62 277.21 The cost would be le reduced . 277.21 IS1007d C MIO075 2 276.704 284.12 276.72 284.12 Yeah the and the the production costs we we can achieve uh about ten dollars . 283.8 IS1007d B MIO025 1 277.792 278.4 277.96 278.33 Mm . 278.33 IS1007d B MIO025 1 280.869 281.842 281.19 281.58 Hmm . 281.58 IS1007d A MIO049 0 282.72 285.056 282.74 285.02 How many b battery is there ? 285.02 IS1007d C MIO075 2 285.376 286.427 285.4 286.32 How many , excuse me ? 285.7 286.32 IS1007d A MIO049 0 286.164 286.838 286.28 286.68 Battery . 286.68 IS1007d C MIO075 2 287.424 292.4 287.44 292.4 Well uh f battery , we use uh about uh 290.06 IS1007d B MIO025 1 291.024 296.499 291.04 296.46 Is it n the two A_A_s batteries in it . A_A_ rechargeable batteries . 294.86 296.46 IS1007d C MIO075 2 294.064 294.32 294.08 294.28 Yeah . 294.28 IS1007d C MIO075 2 296.832 299.654 296.85 299.53 Rechargeable of course , because we have the charger . 298.25 299.53 IS1007d B MIO025 1 297.824 301.881 297.9 301.79 Yeah rechargeable batteries . We have the charger so it's no problem . 299.49 301.79 IS1007d C MIO075 2 300.752 302.0 300.77 302.0 Yeah and you just - IS1007d A MIO049 0 301.731 303.376 301.99 303.06 So one one battery ? 303.06 IS1007d C MIO075 2 304.144 305.792 304.2 305.76 On uh yeah one battery . 305.76 IS1007d D MIO072 3 306.352 307.472 306.37 307.44 Is that two or one ? 307.44 IS1007d A MIO049 0 309.44 311.449 309.46 311.24 It's kinetic reserve . 311.24 IS1007d B MIO025 1 310.688 316.166 310.688 316.166 Actually uh it's a flexible thing . You just n uh 314.93 IS1007d D MIO072 3 315.488 317.264 315.51 317.23 Now what is the whole day rating for that ? 317.23 IS1007d C MIO075 2 318.016 319.585 318.05 319.43 The excuse me ? 319.43 IS1007d D MIO072 3 318.704 319.568 318.72 319.53 Whole day's rating . 319.53 IS1007d D MIO072 3 320.56 321.504 320.58 321.46 What type of battery ? 321.46 IS1007d C MIO075 2 321.648 328.412 321.67 328.26 Oh yeah it's just a r uh simple battery a rechargeable uh if you uh like it's exist . 328.26 IS1007d B MIO025 1 325.504 327.299 325.52 327.2 Yeah yeah . 327.2 IS1007d D MIO072 3 327.488 331.456 327.53 331.41 Something like a two A_ , A_ three size batteries ? Mm-hmm . 329.12 331.05 331.41 IS1007d C MIO075 2 329.974 330.512 330.06 330.48 Yeah . 330.48 IS1007d B MIO025 1 331.392 332.832 331.42 332.74 Yeah . 332.74 IS1007d C MIO075 2 332.72 347.088 332.74 347.05 So and if you want to charge the battery you just put the remote control like that to plug in the the charger and uh leave it uh alone , it's alright . Then the next time you pick it , oh 343.57 344.52 346.72 IS1007d B MIO025 1 338.144 338.592 338.18 338.56 Yeah . 338.56 IS1007d B MIO025 1 339.952 340.432 340.04 340.32 Yeah . 340.32 IS1007d B MIO025 1 341.986 342.912 342.45 342.77 Mm . 342.77 IS1007d B MIO025 1 344.436 369.2 344.436 369.17 At uh yeah . I forgot to tell you there is only a single button there , b this button yeah alright . This button is like the mouse is like a joystick , you can move in three hundred and sixty degrees of direction so you can make a turn and it the additi functions associated to all the actions you ma you have a click you have a double click 349.7 353.05 355.49 359.01 IS1007d C MIO075 2 348.496 350.109 348.52 349.88 it works . 349.88 IS1007d C MIO075 2 352.656 355.085 352.68 354.91 Yeah just explain the button uh Norman . 354.91 IS1007d A MIO049 0 370.077 371.096 370.36 370.85 Mm . 370.85 IS1007d B MIO025 1 370.4 396.328 370.42 396.24 all in a single button . You can move up , down , left , right , or you can do a swing . So a swing to the left , a swing to the right defines other functions . So even though it's a single button , but it is pretty s flexible because of the three hundred and sixty degree movement . Yeah . This is the version y that comes with L_C_D_ . Here I present another version without the L_C_D_ . 372.5 373.92 374.57 374.92 375.32 376.96 378.12 381.22 383.81 389.6 390.64 393.9 396.24 IS1007d D MIO072 3 388.016 390.292 388.04 390.23 And the L_C_D_ is this one , on the remote ? 389.43 390.23 IS1007d C MIO075 2 390.167 390.553 390.3 390.49 Yep . 390.49 IS1007d D MIO072 3 393.328 393.712 393.35 393.68 Yeah . 393.68 IS1007d A MIO049 0 395.572 400.023 395.88 399.98 I think it's not a good idea because after maybe one or two months - IS1007d B MIO025 1 400.224 400.528 400.26 400.48 Mm . 400.48 IS1007d A MIO049 0 400.928 402.704 400.95 402.704 of function is - IS1007d A MIO049 0 403.712 406.24 403.73 406.19 getting destroyed . If you 405.49 IS1007d B MIO025 1 405.409 411.554 405.52 411.29 Uh okay this is new prototype uh . 411.29 IS1007d C MIO075 2 406.935 407.626 407.0 407.626 Yeah it's - IS1007d C MIO075 2 408.99 446.032 409.11 445.93 So we have the the second version also with the different uh button configuration . The second version is also simpler , we d uh we had just uh I have to put the microphone also . So basically th it's the same uh yeah . Basically it's the same uh things uh uh as uh I presented before . But here we have uh we have uh four buttons for navigation . Press one button uh acting as a a enter button . So um yeah according to what you said it's more robust to the user . 414.85 416.64 424.16 428.03 432.83 436.55 440.64 445.93 IS1007d B MIO025 1 419.814 428.593 419.814 428.35 Yeah yeah . 428.35 IS1007d D MIO072 3 425.126 428.505 425.53 427.97 Uh-huh and also the switch . Okay . 427.53 427.97 IS1007d B MIO025 1 437.961 439.23 438.13 439.23 Mm . 439.12 IS1007d A MIO049 0 446.16 446.907 446.18 446.72 Mm-hmm . 446.72 IS1007d D MIO072 3 446.02 446.976 446.3 446.93 Mm-hmm . 446.93 IS1007d C MIO075 2 447.782 460.259 448.07 460.259 And uh it's also cheaper to produce . We can produce uh such remote control for about uh four dollars . 450.62 459.93 IS1007d A MIO049 0 455.632 461.413 455.65 461.413 No four dollars , it's good . 457.89 461.0 IS1007d D MIO072 3 459.968 467.018 459.99 467.018 And I think you forgot a point here to have an button to find the charger , because that's a major that's a 464.92 IS1007d B MIO025 1 464.48 467.92 464.5 467.92 Oh no th actually th we'll come to that point in our - IS1007d C MIO075 2 466.35 471.712 466.55 471.66 Yeah it's it's it's embed in the uh speech recognition system . 471.66 IS1007d B MIO025 1 469.28 469.744 469.3 469.71 Yeah . 469.71 IS1007d D MIO072 3 471.664 475.268 471.68 475.06 Okay and if you disable speech recognition system then ? 475.06 IS1007d C MIO075 2 472.701 473.36 472.78 473.36 So - IS1007d B MIO025 1 475.264 477.682 475.28 477.52 W w I'll I'll come to that point later on . 477.52 IS1007d D MIO072 3 477.091 478.416 477.28 478.38 Mm hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm . 478.38 IS1007d C MIO075 2 477.456 481.547 477.456 481.1 so Norman will explain to you . 481.1 IS1007d A MIO049 0 479.98 483.904 480.35 483.87 And we will we will serve the charger with this ? 483.87 IS1007d B MIO025 1 480.352 481.154 480.37 480.67 Yeah . 480.67 IS1007d D MIO072 3 480.302 481.251 480.64 481.13 Okay . 481.13 IS1007d C MIO075 2 483.513 487.021 483.7 486.67 Yeah yeah of course mm . 486.67 IS1007d B MIO025 1 484.368 493.04 484.39 493.01 Th they either these with the uh the the charger any in either versions you they they ha they use the same charger yeah . 493.01 IS1007d A MIO049 0 484.837 486.107 484.89 485.97 With the remote control . 485.97 IS1007d A MIO049 0 492.485 495.984 492.71 495.984 Okay so the price of the charger included in the - IS1007d B MIO025 1 496.416 515.453 497.08 515.453 Uh it's a standard module so you should get it for a cheap price uh . It's that same charger that you can use for the hand-phone but uh again depends on the types . I think we have to investigate more on that , but 505.96 512.79 514.49 IS1007d C MIO075 2 501.92 507.286 501.92 506.9 Thank thank you . And so mm-hmm . 504.94 506.9 IS1007d A MIO049 0 503.056 506.891 503.2 506.891 Mm-hmm . 506.8 IS1007d A MIO049 0 514.512 519.818 514.56 519.818 The price should be below twelve and a half Euro . Well that's so 518.73 IS1007d B MIO025 1 516.477 517.141 516.477 516.92 Yeah . 516.92 IS1007d B MIO025 1 518.08 526.464 518.1 526.01 Yeah but as the Marketing Manager says , people is willing to people are willing to pay more for good design . 520.55 526.01 IS1007d D MIO072 3 526.432 532.399 526.45 532.09 Yeah people are willing to pay more , but the company is not willing to invest more at the moment . 528.03 532.09 IS1007d A MIO049 0 526.89 529.014 526.91 529.014 We have we have just - IS1007d B MIO025 1 530.992 531.481 531.01 531.31 Yeah . 531.31 IS1007d A MIO049 0 531.04 533.792 531.06 533.76 The price of selling is twenty five Euros . 533.76 IS1007d B MIO025 1 532.672 533.136 532.69 533.1 Yeah . 533.1 IS1007d B MIO025 1 534.272 534.72 534.3 534.68 Mm-hmm . 534.68 IS1007d A MIO049 0 535.152 536.057 535.17 535.87 And the price of - IS1007d C MIO075 2 536.616 540.688 536.82 540.43 Alright please uh go on Norman with the special features . 540.43 IS1007d A MIO049 0 537.001 537.861 537.04 537.861 production - IS1007d D MIO072 3 539.223 539.904 539.32 539.904 Or uh - IS1007d B MIO025 1 540.064 558.636 540.08 558.36 Yeah we'll we'll come up to that , the the the thing that makes this the controller cheap is that it is modular so you want more function you pay more . If you want less function i i if you want a reasonable price you pay for the functions that you add on to the system , so is uh modular . 541.7 548.84 556.17 558.36 IS1007d A MIO049 0 558.848 562.831 558.94 562.76 That's for this basis function and if you want more you pay more . 562.76 IS1007d B MIO025 1 562.336 585.218 562.36 585.218 Yeah yeah , for example the L_C_D_ , you can take it you can put it put it back in , or you can use the other one , or the speech recogniser with the microphone yeah yeah . You want a microphone to put in the speech recogniser you don't wan you pay less for the system you see . So 563.84 564.84 567.43 569.64 574.5 584.38 IS1007d D MIO072 3 563.751 565.945 563.83 565.85 Something like customised . Yeah . 565.5 565.85 IS1007d A MIO049 0 565.856 566.528 565.88 566.43 Yeah . 566.43 IS1007d A MIO049 0 576.337 577.27 576.59 577.13 Okay . 577.13 IS1007d D MIO072 3 580.864 581.76 580.89 581.71 Mm hmm hmm hmm . 581.71 IS1007d D MIO072 3 584.144 586.224 584.57 586.19 Hmm okay . 586.19 IS1007d B MIO025 1 586.16 589.464 586.18 589.11 It's pretty flexible in the yeah price . 589.11 IS1007d C MIO075 2 587.696 592.32 587.72 592.27 You also have the the the two other modules for the parental control - IS1007d A MIO049 0 588.211 589.034 588.51 589.034 But - IS1007d B MIO025 1 592.528 594.139 592.57 594.09 Uh yeah yeah you should present that . 594.09 IS1007d D MIO072 3 593.376 594.688 593.51 594.65 And this is other one ? 594.65 IS1007d C MIO075 2 593.408 609.616 593.56 609.58 that that you ca you can add up to the to your remote control i i if you uh if you want to to have more more power on what you do , and uh which channel you want to choose and so on . 606.11 609.58 IS1007d B MIO025 1 603.024 606.128 603.024 606.09 Yeah . 606.09 IS1007d C MIO075 2 610.816 636.432 610.85 636.4 H here is just the the the module for the kids and th if the parents want to watch T_V_ , up they come up with their modules , they just plug in it and they can have all the control they want here . We also have this module for uh old people with big buttons , clearly labelled , and it acts like the previous one , you just plug in and it works . 617.15 618.72 623.39 629.51 630.57 633.76 636.4 IS1007d D MIO072 3 615.888 616.832 615.91 616.78 Mm hmm hmm hmm . 616.78 IS1007d B MIO025 1 619.648 620.76 619.67 620.76 Yeah - IS1007d B MIO025 1 622.736 623.024 622.76 622.99 Mm . 622.99 IS1007d B MIO025 1 627.696 628.213 627.72 628.11 Hmm . 628.11 IS1007d B MIO025 1 632.877 633.656 633.01 633.53 Yeah . 633.53 IS1007d B MIO025 1 635.741 642.144 635.741 642.11 Yeah the i the idea the the conceptual idea is that - IS1007d D MIO072 3 636.896 637.36 636.93 637.33 Mm-hmm . 637.33 IS1007d B MIO025 1 643.152 666.689 643.17 666.33 simplicity and powerful . Simplicity meaning that we have few buttons , powerful is that all the controls with the one you saw we saw earlier in the meetings with lots of buttons n but here you only have few buttons but you retain the mm the same powerful functionalities . But in addition with simplicity . 646.06 649.86 664.56 666.33 IS1007d B MIO025 1 666.689 701.091 666.83 699.52 So that's the best idea , the cond that that's our uh an innovation um uh i in this uh design here . Okay now we come to other important features that I did not tell you . The first one is the speech recogniser , again it's detachable or add-on . And then we also have security feature for example this here oop it's very robust , it doesn't break and the material , what's the material again ? Titanium material . 669.48 678.17 682.36 684.22 686.74 694.79 696.41 698.03 699.52 IS1007d A MIO049 0 677.942 678.9 678.12 678.49 Mm-hmm . 678.49 IS1007d C MIO075 2 696.762 699.696 697.08 699.696 The titanium and so it's very uh - IS1007d A MIO049 0 698.005 699.046 698.17 698.85 Titanium . 698.85 IS1007d B MIO025 1 701.091 723.392 701.15 723.392 Again uh and the battery life is uh is an is an endurable one , again because this is A_A_ batteries you can choose the types of battery you want . Lithium-ion may be a good one , but you can replace it with cheaper one , again you pay for what you get , and then um y the other p points are robust and misplacement reminder . So when you finish watching your T_V_ 705.43 710.1 711.74 713.7 716.0 720.2 IS1007d D MIO072 3 709.312 710.196 709.33 709.92 Yeah that's fine . 709.92 IS1007d B MIO025 1 724.128 727.216 724.15 727.18 and you the you t you turn off the T_V_ , 727.18 IS1007d B MIO025 1 728.099 741.856 728.33 741.856 uh and then there's this message coming out that uh please put that back to the charger , so so that's the or is it that's the reminder part . Yeah and um 733.67 739.89 IS1007d D MIO072 3 733.779 734.592 733.95 734.56 Okay . 734.56 IS1007d B MIO025 1 743.024 769.859 743.04 769.45 And it also use a programmable channel and vocabulary , so we didn't define the vocabulary so it's up to the user to define so sorry ? And then uh because of the chil because children are using the device so we have also a a of T_V_ programmes by genre , and this can be used by the adult or by the children . 745.88 756.24 765.8 769.45 IS1007d D MIO072 3 749.552 750.368 749.58 750.32 Mm hmm hmm hmm . 750.32 IS1007d B MIO025 1 769.859 813.509 769.94 813.509 So instead of choosing the channel you are choosing the T_V_ contents of the night . So it's pretty powerful , and that's that's why the num buttons are reduced , because of this feature . Yeah . And and for the materials that is cheap to produce I think uh it's quite clear from yeah . And also like the and the fancy designs yeah . Maybe we can improve more on the design but uh this is the 775.2 777.43 779.42 781.22 782.69 790.64 794.71 IS1007d A MIO049 0 795.101 796.185 795.12 796.185 What what's - IS1007d A MIO049 0 796.912 799.632 796.93 799.6 Maybe yeah . What's the price to p to produce ? 797.86 799.6 IS1007d C MIO075 2 801.328 803.065 801.35 803.065 Well so the price to produce - IS1007d C MIO075 2 803.952 810.8 803.98 810.77 For uh the simplest one , say we start from four dollars to produce such a device . 805.94 810.77 IS1007d C MIO075 2 812.048 813.448 812.07 813.448 Uh it's about it - IS1007d A MIO049 0 812.201 815.287 812.46 814.86 With with with the charge ? 814.86 IS1007d C MIO075 2 814.352 823.073 814.39 823.01 The without without the charger it's about uh well two dollars to produce uh the microphone and speech recognition systems . 823.01 IS1007d D MIO072 3 814.306 815.31 814.43 815.22 With the charger ? 815.22 IS1007d A MIO049 0 816.288 816.784 816.31 816.74 Okay . 816.74 IS1007d B MIO025 1 816.286 818.175 816.5 818.11 Yeah . 818.11 IS1007d C MIO075 2 824.304 831.616 824.32 831.57 Two dollars for the uh for the add-on modules , and finally three dollars for the charger . 828.91 831.57 IS1007d C MIO075 2 832.624 835.248 832.64 835.21 So if you uh sum up uh everything - IS1007d B MIO025 1 834.576 852.288 834.576 852.23 Yeah . 852.23 IS1007d A MIO049 0 835.328 836.611 835.35 836.611 We don't have charger . 836.31 IS1007d C MIO075 2 835.965 844.304 836.07 844.27 wi with the L_C_D_ , which costs two dollar , you have two plus four plus four plus two plus two . 839.0 840.92 844.27 IS1007d D MIO072 3 844.759 852.319 844.759 852.19 I think we can use Excel . 852.19 IS1007d C MIO075 2 845.439 858.293 845.439 858.26 It's about so the total cost if you if you want all the fuct functionalities will be about uh fifteen dollars . 858.26 IS1007d A MIO049 0 848.064 852.016 848.09 851.74 We don't have all the options . 851.74 IS1007d A MIO049 0 852.882 855.433 853.05 855.17 Charger we don't have charger here either . 855.17 IS1007d B MIO025 1 855.366 859.264 855.366 859.23 Yeah . 859.23 IS1007d A MIO049 0 859.456 861.18 859.49 861.04 No it's - IS1007d C MIO075 2 860.032 863.717 860.06 863.67 But it's just if you want all functionalities . 863.67 IS1007d A MIO049 0 862.468 864.679 862.69 864.53 it's below the the the budget . 864.53 IS1007d B MIO025 1 864.195 865.249 864.36 865.11 Yeah . 865.11 IS1007d C MIO075 2 865.456 865.92 865.48 865.87 Excuse me ? 865.87 IS1007d A MIO049 0 866.144 867.264 866.16 867.22 It's below the bu - IS1007d A MIO049 0 868.768 871.209 868.79 871.209 the budget . We 870.34 IS1007d D MIO072 3 869.597 872.752 869.78 872.69 Yeah it's a nice input but we have an - IS1007d D MIO072 3 874.272 884.48 874.39 884.39 other inputs from the l public demands . I think we will just have a rough look and then we can make our statements , and we can finalise the product based on this discu 876.62 881.14 IS1007d B MIO025 1 882.88 884.544 883.65 884.13 Yeah . 884.13 IS1007d C MIO075 2 884.544 884.832 884.63 884.79 Yeah . 884.79 IS1007d D MIO072 3 885.696 887.968 885.72 887.93 I think we can just go to my presentation then . 887.93 IS1007d D MIO072 3 889.184 890.363 889.2 890.16 We can wind up . 890.16 IS1007d D MIO072 3 893.152 896.528 893.17 896.49 Or we could uh come to some f uh final conclusions . 896.49 IS1007d D MIO072 3 907.276 915.088 907.4 915.0 So the marketing made an evaluation criteria and these were some of the findings , and uh 913.95 IS1007d D MIO072 3 916.16 944.971 916.19 944.84 in the market the people are not really interested with L_C_D_ , without L_C_D_ , with speech recognition interface , or without speech recognition interface , but most of the people what they are interested is first thing is , they want to have an fancy look and feel , it should be very fancy with colourful and uh very handy to hold . And the second thing is it should be much more technologically innovative . 920.86 921.78 924.49 927.02 930.47 934.28 940.24 944.84 IS1007d B MIO025 1 940.131 940.72 940.33 940.61 Mm . 940.61 IS1007d D MIO072 3 946.56 955.12 946.58 955.09 Of course in that we could put L_C_D_ or recognition to be more technologically innovative . And the third one is easy to use . 952.8 955.09 IS1007d C MIO075 2 955.504 971.584 955.52 971.55 Well I think that the technical in innovation is is in the product itself since we haven't yet a remote who are allowing to to choose interactively with the T_V_ screen uh uh with just four buttons . 971.55 IS1007d B MIO025 1 955.4 956.164 955.6 955.89 Mm . 955.89 IS1007d D MIO072 3 972.639 998.586 972.66 998.32 Okay and if we go to the next slide , here you can find these are the latest fashion updates , and so this in Paris and Milan they have detected this trends that the this year it's going to be an year of fruit and vegetable , so people are really interested to see if they have an remote in the shape of the fruit or a vegetable , or whatever they like . 975.44 978.98 989.94 997.1 998.32 IS1007d B MIO025 1 992.061 994.305 992.18 994.21 Spongy spongy . 994.21 IS1007d B MIO025 1 997.035 998.528 997.18 998.49 Mm mm . 998.49 IS1007d D MIO072 3 999.408 1017.792 999.56 1017.75 So I think it should be much more customised to make a different uh shapes . And the second thing is , and if the material , they really do not want it to be very hard , as in the case of very pl plastic or titanium , it should be somewhat spongy . 1006.95 1008.37 1009.78 1012.13 1016.12 1017.75 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1003.6 1005.216 1003.62 1005.17 Mm mm . 1005.17 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1018.784 1019.63 1018.87 1019.52 Okay . 1019.52 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1018.853 1024.704 1018.94 1024.67 But the the problem is that uh is it robust to mishandling ? 1024.67 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1025.936 1026.832 1025.96 1026.8 Um . 1026.8 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1026.256 1034.048 1026.28 1033.77 We have you should find a material that is robust at the same time spongy . Spongy . 1032.21 1033.77 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1031.12 1034.448 1031.22 1034.448 A sponge . 1034.2 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1031.28 1040.544 1031.3 1040.47 Yeah so uh so finally we have these three criterias . One is fancy look , second is 1037.61 1039.72 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1044.144 1048.368 1044.16 1048.28 innovative , and third is easy to use . 1045.69 1048.28 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1052.769 1067.789 1052.769 1067.62 So these are the f uh three criteria on which we are going to build our remote . So and we have an evaluation criteria for each one of these , say that we have a seven point scale , 1058.98 1064.4 1067.62 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1058.688 1059.186 1058.72 1059.1 Mm-hmm . 1059.1 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1059.678 1060.061 1059.79 1059.96 Hmm . 1059.96 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1069.952 1076.848 1069.99 1076.81 from one to seven , and for each of the product you could just give me the scale according to this . 1071.98 1076.81 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1071.36 1071.939 1071.41 1071.83 Mm-hmm . 1071.83 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1077.552 1077.936 1077.59 1077.9 Mm . 1077.9 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1078.544 1084.272 1078.56 1084.24 So now you have with L_C_D_ and without L_C_D_ , so on this scale , if it is true , 1081.52 1083.31 1084.24 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1081.478 1082.144 1081.78 1082.11 Mm . 1082.11 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1085.664 1097.472 1085.69 1097.472 if it is if it has a fancy look you could just tell me one , or if it is false , it doesn't it looks uh it doesn't look much fancy , then you could just tell me seven . So 1089.98 1091.76 1095.06 1097.05 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1097.552 1106.096 1097.552 1106.06 So so is the e evaluation depending on us or other users ? 1106.06 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1098.688 1100.56 1098.688 1100.56 We can make our study on this and - IS1007d D MIO072 3 1106.816 1111.856 1106.84 1111.82 No no we have you have designed two products now , one is with L_C_D_ and without L_C_D_ . 1109.6 1111.82 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1109.344 1109.584 1109.36 1109.54 Yeah . 1109.54 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1110.925 1111.515 1111.11 1111.38 Yeah . 1111.38 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1110.897 1111.947 1111.17 1111.79 Yeah . 1111.79 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1112.4 1117.696 1112.43 1117.62 But who will give the scoring uh we ourself or or a third party ? 1117.62 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1115.6 1116.158 1115.62 1115.96 You . 1115.96 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1115.789 1124.704 1116.18 1124.67 According to you , no according to you designers , how will feel does it uh with L_C_D_ and without L_C_D_ ? 1117.95 1120.16 1124.67 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1122.91 1123.461 1123.02 1123.31 Mm . 1123.31 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1125.936 1130.16 1125.96 1130.12 Okay let us make this L_ and without L_C_D_ . 1130.12 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1131.344 1140.72 1131.36 1140.69 On on this scale the L_C_D_ remote control . How do you look how does it look ? D is it very fancy or doesn't look much fancy ? 1135.7 1137.28 1140.69 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1133.728 1134.256 1133.75 1134.21 Mm . 1134.21 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1135.621 1136.519 1135.93 1136.32 Mm . 1136.32 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1141.024 1145.12 1141.08 1145.08 Well it doesn't look much fancy I'll I'll say three or four . 1145.08 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1146.56 1148.032 1146.64 1147.95 And you both agree for that ? 1147.95 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1148.432 1149.126 1148.59 1148.94 And you ? 1148.94 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1149.463 1177.182 1149.463 1176.81 I think we can improve on the design . Som someone um commented this is like a the stone age uh design . Um we have been focused all all this time on the on the technical aspect , functional aspect , but also the simplicity . As for the design maybe we c should hire a designer to help . Yeah . 1153.05 1160.0 1166.99 1168.51 1170.51 1176.21 1176.81 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1152.672 1154.236 1152.69 1154.236 Yeah . It's it it 1153.09 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1165.376 1166.975 1165.51 1166.83 Technical aspects . 1166.83 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1170.112 1170.512 1170.14 1170.46 Mm-hmm . 1170.46 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1172.7 1177.68 1172.89 1177.6 So I take three on with L_C_D_ ? So without L_C_D_ how would you rate it ? 1175.71 1177.6 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1173.936 1174.909 1174.01 1174.64 Yeah a three . 1174.64 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1178.112 1185.936 1178.19 1185.9 Uh four . I think it's it's uh more easy to make f fancy things when it's not complicated so 1179.45 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1179.313 1180.171 1179.37 1180.05 Four . 1180.05 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1186.208 1186.64 1186.23 1186.61 Yeah . 1186.61 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1186.992 1193.76 1187.01 1193.72 removing the L_C_D_ um gives us a li more liberty to to have a fancy look . 1193.72 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1190.624 1192.551 1190.624 1192.47 Yeah . 1192.47 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1193.893 1198.062 1194.0 1197.99 And in the sense of innovativeness , with L_C_D_ . 1197.02 1197.99 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1198.592 1203.962 1198.63 1203.962 Well it's it's the same for both so I will give a five , six . 1202.74 1203.6 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1203.12 1203.488 1203.18 1203.45 Mm . 1203.45 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1204.595 1206.8 1204.73 1206.8 Five with L_C_D_ and - IS1007d C MIO075 2 1207.392 1210.603 1207.51 1210.603 Well five also uh Norman please . 1210.54 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1209.44 1216.896 1209.47 1216.75 Yeah from the innovation aspect I feel that uh what is most innovative - IS1007d A MIO049 0 1210.374 1211.431 1210.81 1211.431 Uh - IS1007d B MIO025 1 1218.272 1223.744 1218.29 1223.71 of our prototype compared to the existing prototypes that we saw l in the last meeting - IS1007d B MIO025 1 1224.663 1244.624 1224.76 1244.624 is that um the retrieval of T_V_ programmes by content , because uh that is really innovative , and for now and another innovation we have is simplicity and simplicity , few buttons , we've uh 1230.32 1234.02 1241.39 1242.61 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1244.262 1246.467 1244.47 1246.26 With lot of functionalities . 1246.26 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1245.529 1250.837 1245.7 1250.6 A lot of functionalities . So that is uh that is uh for both th 1247.43 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1247.141 1248.896 1247.4 1248.86 So without L_C_D_ ? 1248.86 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1251.876 1262.008 1252.01 1261.81 Our gi I think that the our our product is uh has the best in all well this is a biased judgement because we designed them . 1261.81 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1260.227 1265.248 1260.4 1265.21 No no according to design aspect we want to know how would you feel the innovativeness ? 1265.21 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1263.326 1264.411 1263.43 1264.411 Yeah . 1264.24 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1265.184 1267.75 1265.2 1267.65 Uh the innovation is v is very high I think . 1267.65 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1267.328 1269.984 1267.56 1269.95 With L_C_D_ . And without L_C_D_ ? 1268.85 1269.95 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1267.36 1268.576 1267.75 1268.51 For L_C_D_ . 1268.51 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1269.048 1270.006 1269.23 1269.9 Both . 1269.9 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1269.904 1273.153 1269.93 1273.02 Mm for both it's the the same innovations . 1273.02 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1270.752 1271.264 1270.77 1271.23 For both . 1271.23 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1272.496 1276.992 1272.52 1276.62 It's the same innovation . So maybe I can put six to seven . 1274.06 1276.62 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1273.952 1274.546 1273.97 1274.24 Okay . 1274.24 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1276.096 1278.309 1276.096 1278.27 six , let's go for six . 1277.25 1278.27 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1277.2 1278.424 1277.36 1278.25 Without L_C_D_ . 1278.25 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1278.512 1278.88 1278.55 1278.85 Both . 1278.85 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1279.072 1295.62 1279.23 1295.62 No actually uh to make it with L_C_D_ you make more efforts . So I there is high innovativeness included if you make it with L_C_D_ y then when it is without L_C_D_ there is not much innovativeness . So we can't go 1283.91 1293.57 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1289.408 1289.712 1289.43 1289.68 Yeah . 1289.68 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1289.89 1291.664 1291.43 1291.63 Mm . 1291.63 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1292.232 1293.632 1292.4 1293.55 Uh no innovative yeah . 1293.55 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1292.479 1299.504 1293.62 1299.45 Uh uh uh there w there was a there was a issue here is that what are what is the display on the L_C_D_ ? 1299.45 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1300.353 1305.251 1300.353 1305.251 Talk about - IS1007d B MIO025 1 1301.376 1315.518 1301.42 1315.518 We haven't really uh determined what are actually actually it's good to have a L_C_D_ but what are we gonna display on a L_C_D_ ? 1310.97 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1303.642 1307.03 1303.73 1307.03 I mean that what you are sayin that's what the design - IS1007d D MIO072 3 1311.472 1326.208 1311.51 1326.208 No it's like this , I mean on the L_C_D_ , according to what I understand from your model is , you have a joystick here , and you have L_C_D_ , you just press your joystick , you get here a programme . Uh then 1312.46 1314.43 1317.24 1319.16 1320.8 1323.12 1325.67 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1316.471 1317.621 1316.51 1317.52 So let's remove it . 1317.52 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1318.928 1319.383 1318.95 1319.34 Yeah ? 1319.34 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1320.624 1321.01 1320.64 1320.98 Yeah . 1320.98 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1325.056 1325.823 1325.08 1325.823 Yeah but - IS1007d C MIO075 2 1325.34 1328.223 1325.48 1327.93 Yeah but you have the same programme on the T_V_ screen . 1327.93 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1325.951 1326.643 1326.14 1326.643 But - IS1007d B MIO025 1 1327.84 1329.597 1327.97 1329.49 Yes exactly . 1329.49 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1329.168 1330.112 1329.22 1330.06 This is the problem . 1330.06 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1330.192 1332.976 1330.21 1332.94 No on the T_V_ you don't it doesn't display on the T_V_ now . 1332.94 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1333.072 1334.719 1333.19 1334.62 If you have the L_C_D_ , but if n 1334.1 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1333.926 1341.36 1333.99 1341.32 L_C_D_ ? Then uh there is no meaning in having it on the T_V_ . Or then again you have a channels , volume and all the stuff and what a 1334.71 1337.56 1339.11 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1337.328 1337.616 1337.38 1337.58 Yeah . 1337.58 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1340.72 1343.36 1340.75 1343.32 But you cannot display all on a L_C_D_ . 1343.32 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1344.208 1347.082 1344.29 1347.082 I mean that depends upon your design , so 1346.28 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1349.824 1353.552 1349.92 1353.51 Anyway for for the users who who who opt for L_C_D_ - IS1007d B MIO025 1 1354.34 1359.55 1354.34 1359.44 we'll give them the give them the L_C_D_ , we give what the customer uh wants , right . 1356.34 1359.23 1359.44 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1354.064 1354.832 1354.36 1354.832 I mean - IS1007d C MIO075 2 1360.032 1360.352 1360.05 1360.31 Yeah . 1360.31 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1360.745 1366.399 1360.85 1366.29 So without L_C_D_ you want to put it fi the same level of innovativeness ? 1366.29 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1368.304 1373.488 1368.32 1373.28 And which do you recommend e easy to use , with L_C_D_ or without L_C_D_ ? 1371.69 1373.28 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1377.328 1389.424 1377.35 1389.424 Well I think both are really easy to use because there are few button buttons , and uh well t p the menu are clear , well-organised , so 1383.33 1387.59 1388.67 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1382.661 1383.664 1382.76 1383.47 Yeah . 1383.47 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1387.296 1387.812 1387.36 1387.66 Yeah . 1387.66 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1388.782 1389.248 1388.95 1389.21 Yeah . 1389.21 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1390.544 1398.142 1390.56 1398.05 Well with little knowing of the technology you can you can easily use the product so I will give a six for the easy to use . 1398.05 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1397.328 1400.4 1397.35 1400.3 Yeah I think sorry . 1400.3 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1400.038 1404.224 1400.36 1404.19 No it's just if I I see the - IS1007d A MIO049 0 1406.45 1412.53 1406.68 1412.35 the f the rate I think it's better to do it without L_C_D_ . 1412.35 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1414.192 1422.157 1414.21 1422.157 Because that's with L_C_D_ just will increase the price , and I thi i they have the same rate so without L_C_D_ it will be 1417.06 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1414.231 1414.912 1414.41 1414.88 Yeah . 1414.88 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1419.648 1420.064 1419.67 1420.03 Yeah . 1420.03 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1420.912 1425.888 1420.93 1425.85 Or we can just go back to the previous slide uh where we ha we have a few updates . 1425.85 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1428.576 1444.704 1428.6 1444.67 So I mean in the product design you could just amend it to make some few changes according to fruit and vegetable or a spongy touch without L_C_D_ and without speech recognition . Even then our product is going to be very good . Yeah . 1440.22 1444.3 1444.67 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1432.887 1435.323 1433.15 1435.29 Yeah . Yeah . 1435.05 1435.29 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1436.922 1437.67 1436.97 1437.67 Yeah . 1437.62 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1441.84 1444.304 1441.86 1444.27 Yeah , it's cheaper to produce . 1442.8 1444.27 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1444.832 1446.832 1444.86 1446.832 Mm . S 1445.68 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1445.728 1453.552 1445.75 1453.552 And uh if the the well if we have less technology we have more liberty to uh for the shape and uh things like that so - IS1007d D MIO072 3 1451.056 1452.007 1451.08 1451.86 Yeah that's right . 1451.86 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1453.184 1479.033 1453.26 1478.7 Yeah . I have another thing to say about the easy to use aspect . I think the easy to use uh aspect is different for different people . For the young generation easy to use may be very complicated because uh they w they wants lot of controls with lots of buttons . For kids they want simply the s similarit for the old people they want simplicity , so that's why we have the parental module . 1453.64 1457.53 1462.81 1470.52 1476.25 1478.7 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1462.688 1462.992 1462.77 1462.96 Yep . 1462.96 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1463.056 1463.701 1463.17 1463.56 Mm-hmm . 1463.56 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1474.013 1475.585 1474.3 1475.36 Yeah yeah that's right . 1475.36 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1479.033 1505.056 1479.18 1505.056 Uh we can ha have build a more complex design if if they want it , but but uh what I'm trying to say here is that the um we have different sets of buttons for different kinds of people . So in terms of easy to use I think it's very user customisable . User customisation is very important yeah . Yeah so 1484.27 1493.36 1499.14 1503.09 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1501.958 1502.464 1502.14 1502.43 Yeah . 1502.43 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1505.6 1508.914 1505.62 1508.66 So without L_C_D_ I just take it five ? 1508.66 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1505.991 1507.041 1506.07 1506.66 Six . 1506.66 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1509.552 1510.016 1509.57 1509.98 Mm-hmm . 1509.98 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1509.512 1510.541 1509.79 1510.541 W uh - IS1007d D MIO072 3 1509.887 1511.856 1509.93 1511.82 Or you want it to be six ? 1511.82 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1511.84 1512.476 1511.89 1512.41 Um six . 1512.41 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1512.352 1513.312 1512.37 1513.28 I think it's the same . 1513.28 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1514.912 1515.466 1514.94 1515.18 Yeah . 1515.18 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1515.776 1519.632 1515.81 1519.48 Yes as you say , with better uh yeah . 1516.81 1519.48 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1518.128 1519.202 1518.15 1519.02 Without L_C_D_ . 1519.02 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1518.24 1522.864 1518.33 1522.83 S s oh I think it's better to have this without L_C_D_ . 1522.83 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1524.032 1526.105 1524.13 1525.86 And to improve the the look . 1525.86 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1525.088 1534.208 1525.11 1534.17 As our Programme Manager s Pro Project Manager says that without L_C_D_ it is going to reduce the cost also , and it's going to be much simpler to use . 1531.32 1534.17 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1526.181 1526.751 1526.29 1526.62 Yeah . 1526.62 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1530.156 1530.839 1530.44 1530.74 Yeah . 1530.74 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1531.294 1531.895 1531.4 1531.86 Mm . 1531.86 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1531.962 1536.896 1532.8 1536.59 Yes and to give us more liberty to have a fancy look so - IS1007d B MIO025 1 1537.648 1538.128 1537.73 1538.09 Yeah . 1538.09 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1538.818 1543.829 1538.92 1543.829 so let's go back to our laboratory and - IS1007d B MIO025 1 1541.05 1544.784 1541.05 1544.59 To improve on the design . 1544.59 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1543.399 1543.84 1543.47 1543.8 So . 1543.8 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1543.404 1545.776 1543.48 1545.74 What a what what about the sys speech recognition ? 1545.74 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1546.416 1546.688 1546.44 1546.65 Huh ? 1546.65 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1546.896 1550.309 1546.896 1550.05 what about the integration of speech recognition ? 1550.05 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1549.136 1551.466 1549.16 1551.23 The speech recogniser is a add-on module . 1551.23 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1552.16 1552.528 1552.18 1552.46 Yeah . 1552.46 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1552.124 1552.974 1552.46 1552.66 Right ? 1552.66 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1552.39 1557.528 1552.48 1557.41 That's going to be an optional . If somebody wants to buy it they can have it , otherwise no . 1554.0 1556.41 1557.41 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1554.003 1559.536 1554.003 1559.49 Yeah . 1559.49 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1557.008 1559.668 1557.04 1559.56 Ah so it's optional with the okay . 1559.56 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1558.16 1559.008 1558.18 1558.96 It's an optional . 1558.96 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1559.096 1570.432 1559.22 1570.432 It's optional yeah , since well according to this study uh people more likes more to have a spongy uh remote control than 1560.59 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1564.845 1567.168 1564.92 1567.13 I think it will be I think i - IS1007d D MIO072 3 1568.618 1569.059 1568.81 1569.02 Yeah . 1569.02 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1569.84 1578.429 1569.86 1578.429 I think it will be better if we have all these modules in the same remote control , because maybe parents will lose these uh 1575.37 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1576.72 1588.184 1576.74 1588.04 Yeah , but I mean if you have an add-ons , the kids may just uh hide the parental module and so that their parents can't use it . 1577.09 1579.55 1588.04 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1583.716 1593.152 1583.87 1593.152 Yeah . Or ma yeah . Or maybe parents they can for forget where they put it or , so mayb better if you have all this in the same 1584.71 1585.69 1590.55 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1592.6 1597.571 1593.08 1597.45 In the same set , yeah , and and individual buttons to make them work . 1594.08 1594.79 1597.45 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1594.304 1594.672 1594.32 1594.61 Oh . 1594.61 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1597.264 1621.68 1597.264 1621.65 The problem is if i we are bla if a customer wants a certain component , and doesn't want the parental control because it's a couple who do not have children when you sell the product in the market you could meet any kind of people , and not all people will need all the functionalities we propose to them . So we might lose the customer because of this . I don't know , what do you think uh ? 1602.58 1612.55 1617.33 1619.93 1620.45 1621.65 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1597.728 1598.28 1597.75 1597.95 Yeah . 1597.95 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1620.464 1625.136 1620.74 1625.1 So you mean that even if these modules will be will be functional uh will be optional . 1625.1 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1625.552 1629.738 1625.57 1629.58 Yes exa what do you think , I don't know . You are Marketing Manag . 1627.41 1627.91 1629.58 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1628.288 1642.188 1628.31 1642.188 I mean how to how to how to make a marketing survey that uh how many married couple or how many couples have a T_V_ or to the number or singles who have a television . So based on that I think 1640.44 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1628.222 1629.456 1628.63 1629.456 Uh - IS1007d B MIO025 1 1631.6 1633.648 1631.62 1633.648 Yeah . 1633.4 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1640.304 1640.56 1640.32 1640.53 Yeah . 1640.53 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1642.544 1659.173 1642.56 1659.173 Yeah . But the the question is n does those modularity increase the production cost or decrease the production cost ? 1644.95 1658.57 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1652.288 1654.662 1652.31 1654.662 Well it's about the same because if - IS1007d A MIO049 0 1651.984 1654.307 1652.37 1654.307 I think it inc increase . 1654.18 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1655.568 1659.066 1655.59 1659.0 Well you can if you had uh something li - IS1007d A MIO049 0 1657.333 1659.472 1657.96 1659.26 I think it i increases . 1659.26 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1659.936 1670.341 1659.96 1670.341 Oh no , because if you if you add uh something well yeah maybe because it's three different pieces uh to to to build but 1660.65 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1668.288 1668.704 1668.31 1668.67 Hmm . 1668.67 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1670.8 1674.303 1670.83 1673.98 But you can make it on a single P_C_ with three different options . 1673.98 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1674.704 1687.814 1674.75 1687.814 Yeah yeah yeah it's I think it's cheaper if you if you already built the all the functionalities um on the same module , but uh 1687.17 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1680.304 1680.656 1680.33 1680.62 Mm . 1680.62 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1685.584 1686.048 1685.62 1686.0 Mm . 1686.0 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1687.648 1688.096 1687.67 1688.02 Yeah . 1688.02 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1687.632 1689.552 1687.75 1689.52 On the same P_C_B_ yeah yeah . 1689.52 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1688.72 1688.992 1688.74 1688.86 Yeah . 1688.86 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1689.12 1701.376 1689.14 1701.34 Well well the other aspect is that if in the when they have the ar existing product you you gonna maintain the the you're gonna keep the same customer , because the same customer will come back to buy other add-ons . 1698.39 1701.34 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1701.968 1706.354 1702.0 1705.91 Yeah that's right . I mean you could just provide with an optional . 1703.33 1705.91 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1702.944 1704.378 1702.96 1704.378 So so - IS1007d B MIO025 1 1705.792 1727.86 1705.83 1727.86 Yeah i i so if don't don't buy now they can buy i in the future . So in in that way you're actually keeping the cus the same customer , attracting them to come back in again and again . We're not trying to follow the Microsoft and we don't want to the m 1709.85 1713.58 1721.93 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1718.497 1730.08 1718.77 1729.85 So it's something like a Microsoft product update . Updates and we sell it . We make updates and sell it . 1726.97 1728.27 1729.85 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1720.222 1725.56 1720.222 1725.31 And and we we we we we we don't want that . 1725.31 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1730.192 1742.663 1730.21 1742.663 Yeah well if the buyers can be up the th would be can be upgraded , it would be a good thing right ? Yeah , it depends on the v production . 1734.08 1735.87 1736.1 1742.61 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1733.453 1736.44 1733.453 1735.9 Yeah . 1735.9 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1737.444 1746.418 1737.76 1746.36 And uh what's the idea about uh the shape of the remote controls ? Uh can they be made into a fruit and vegetable types ? 1742.96 1746.36 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1742.896 1744.265 1743.1 1744.265 Well so - IS1007d C MIO075 2 1745.504 1762.022 1745.52 1762.022 Yeah yeah I think we are yeah but we are also the um well the components will have to change because uh we have to deal with the shape and um but I don't think it will uh increase the cost too much so - IS1007d D MIO072 3 1747.296 1749.994 1747.33 1749.994 Do you require different types of P_C_B_s and - IS1007d B MIO025 1 1757.872 1758.256 1757.91 1758.21 Mm . 1758.21 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1761.456 1769.008 1761.48 1768.97 Or uh it could be like this the P_C_B_ would be the same for all , but only the exterior uh shape is different o for all . 1765.42 1768.97 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1767.024 1767.44 1767.09 1767.39 Mm . 1767.39 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1769.424 1778.541 1769.46 1778.541 Uh well but it's a bit complicated to if if if you need machines to different machines to um ah well - IS1007d B MIO025 1 1775.557 1776.228 1775.8 1776.19 Yeah . 1776.19 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1777.357 1791.424 1777.7 1791.37 What we can change is to propose the customers with skins . For example the i the mobile phones nowaday , they sell different kinds of skin and then people just feel that oh I have a new skin and looks better . 1782.63 1785.99 1791.37 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1785.124 1786.646 1785.24 1786.51 Yeah , yeah that's right . 1785.62 1786.51 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1790.688 1801.168 1790.71 1801.13 Yeah yeah we can have the same global shape and then uh add on skins and with with this uh tex spongy texture uh things like that . 1801.13 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1792.672 1793.055 1792.69 1793.02 Yeah . 1793.02 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1794.96 1795.312 1794.99 1795.27 Yeah . 1795.27 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1795.43 1796.526 1795.51 1796.4 Yeah that's right . 1796.4 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1796.944 1798.746 1796.96 1798.746 Yeah . 1798.42 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1800.576 1804.186 1800.6 1804.04 Yeah you can pl in what material would that be in uh ? 1804.04 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1804.8 1807.393 1804.82 1807.393 Sponge . 1807.08 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1804.755 1806.96 1804.83 1806.91 I think you need to look into the material . 1806.91 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1807.008 1816.554 1807.03 1811.06 Yeah or furry like a pet dog kind of thing . 1811.06 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1809.402 1810.452 1809.63 1810.41 Yeah yeah . 1810.41 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1815.632 1816.4 1815.65 1816.23 Okay . 1816.23 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1818.533 1820.064 1818.81 1820.064 So - IS1007d C MIO075 2 1821.313 1826.352 1821.37 1826.02 So we finished the prototype uh presentation if you have uh something else to say . 1826.02 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1827.28 1834.4 1827.43 1834.36 I think the Project Manager would be interested to look about the financial issues in making these models . 1834.36 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1835.872 1840.027 1835.89 1839.76 Project evaluation project satisfaction , for example . 1839.24 1839.76 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1843.28 1848.96 1843.3 1848.96 I don't know , we have to ask these question . We have to give answers so 1843.77 1845.58 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1849.088 1851.664 1849.088 1851.63 I suppose that you this criteria , is it ? 1851.36 1851.63 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1851.968 1853.856 1851.968 1853.82 Project evaluation . 1853.82 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1857.696 1867.008 1857.696 1867.008 Room for creativity . This room is a bit small , but but I think it's okay for us to work with . 1859.75 1861.09 1866.96 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1867.328 1870.864 1867.35 1870.83 I feel it's fine , we know we don't need uh I think it's okay . 1868.3 1870.83 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1869.705 1873.056 1869.705 1873.02 Yeah mm . 1873.02 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1872.992 1873.952 1873.06 1873.79 That was good . 1873.79 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1873.056 1876.495 1873.08 1876.46 This is fine for making a presentat for project presentations . 1876.46 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1874.511 1875.1 1874.72 1875.01 Mm . 1875.01 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1876.752 1900.172 1876.77 1900.1 Yeah anyway we have the laboratory nearby to build our modules so it's okay . Good job good job . 1891.48 1900.1 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1877.44 1878.092 1877.46 1877.7 Yeah . 1877.7 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1884.464 1884.96 1884.49 1884.93 Mm-hmm . 1884.93 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1884.976 1886.614 1885.0 1886.5 And the leadership was excellent . 1886.5 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1886.96 1897.118 1886.98 1896.96 Yeah I think so . He gave you the liberty to talk as you wants . 1893.64 1896.96 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1892.011 1894.313 1892.1 1894.23 Fine yes uh . 1894.23 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1895.001 1897.691 1895.42 1897.51 Yeah that's right . Yeah that's right . 1896.62 1897.51 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1898.912 1904.834 1898.93 1904.73 Uh the teamwork was very very good . I was really I am very satisfying to work with 1901.69 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1901.392 1902.684 1901.41 1902.49 Very democratic . 1902.49 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1905.853 1912.559 1906.07 1912.45 with you . Oh . 1910.13 1912.45 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1906.224 1910.943 1906.24 1910.57 Thank you . 1910.57 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1908.4 1910.24 1908.42 1909.75 Thank you . 1909.75 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1913.248 1913.984 1913.27 1913.94 Alright . 1913.94 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1914.384 1914.832 1914.4 1914.8 Alright . 1914.8 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1915.648 1921.792 1915.67 1921.76 And new ideas found . Any new ideas to make these presentations more interactive and more interesting ? 1917.68 1921.76 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1924.096 1929.328 1924.13 1929.328 Mm . 1928.99 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1924.464 1928.96 1924.464 1928.37 Come up with new product . 1928.37 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1926.483 1932.128 1926.483 1932.09 I mean uh what type of product would you think could we make this more interesting ? 1932.09 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1926.496 1935.389 1926.496 1934.79 Less fancy . 1934.79 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1933.168 1941.273 1933.2 1941.273 Mm we I I know something , we need more cakes , more biscuits on the table while we have meetings . 1935.1 1936.36 1941.1 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1939.392 1961.632 1939.41 1961.27 Yeah and also more well uh more seriously I think it's it's a good idea to have uh clear clear points whenever we do a meeting uh prior to the meeting to have uh well a list with the points who will be discussed or things like that , but 1960.96 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1945.44 1948.887 1945.61 1948.887 Mm . 1948.83 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1963.104 1968.839 1963.12 1968.71 I think it's alright . We achieved uh project goal I think . 1965.14 1968.71 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1968.192 1970.001 1968.31 1969.82 Yeah that is within the budget . 1969.82 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1968.881 1969.358 1969.0 1969.17 De - IS1007d C MIO075 2 1970.56 1973.578 1970.56 1973.41 It's w yes , more or less . 1972.74 1973.41 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1970.688 1971.106 1970.71 1971.01 Mm . 1971.01 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1971.954 1973.59 1972.15 1973.59 And the evaluation was - IS1007d A MIO049 0 1972.588 1977.216 1972.77 1977.17 Without without L_C_D_ , without speech recognition , it will be simple . 1974.24 1976.18 1977.17 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1975.057 1976.314 1975.09 1976.11 Yeah that's right . 1976.11 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1975.478 1976.672 1975.64 1976.672 Yeah but - IS1007d C MIO075 2 1978.794 1979.521 1978.89 1979.39 Alright . 1979.39 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1979.952 1981.92 1979.97 1981.89 And the next is celebration . 1981.89 IS1007d C MIO075 2 1980.267 1980.925 1980.45 1980.82 So . 1980.82 IS1007d D MIO072 3 1982.541 1983.115 1982.56 1983.115 So - IS1007d C MIO075 2 1982.67 1988.419 1982.84 1988.26 So uh coffee machine . Okay . 1987.71 1988.26 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1984.483 1988.88 1984.483 1988.85 Alright then , we finished ? 1988.26 1988.85 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1984.672 1988.376 1984.69 1987.78 Yeah free free coffee . 1987.78 IS1007d A MIO049 0 1989.184 1992.256 1989.2 1991.95 Yeah thank you for your work and - IS1007d D MIO072 3 1989.206 1991.296 1989.33 1991.21 Yeah thank you , thank you very much . 1990.44 1991.21 IS1007d B MIO025 1 1989.888 1991.055 1989.91 1990.9 Thank you very much . 1990.9 IS1008a C FIE073 2 34.256 34.986 34.29 34.77 Oops . 34.77 IS1008a C FIE073 2 38.704 41.048 38.76 40.62 That's as far as it goes . 40.62 IS1008a A MIO086 0 48.818 52.433 49.14 51.58 Hi guys uh good morning everybody here . 51.58 IS1008a A MIO086 0 52.433 63.278 53.08 62.78 And uh I want to introduce myself , uh my name is uh Shrida Daseri and uh I'm a project manager for this new project which we are going to discuss now . 55.18 62.78 IS1008a A MIO086 0 63.278 68.544 63.74 68.49 So I want to introduce first of all uh the names and the colleagues here . 68.49 IS1008a A MIO086 0 71.648 73.328 71.67 73.29 And what you're uh drawing ? 73.29 IS1008a B FIE038 1 72.56 80.288 72.56 80.25 Uh sure my name is Agnes and I'm an user usability user interface designer . 80.25 IS1008a D MIE085 3 85.488 87.472 85.488 87.42 My name is Ed and I do accounting . 87.42 IS1008a A MIO086 0 88.416 90.0 88.44 89.97 Uh how you spell your name uh ? 89.97 IS1008a D MIE085 3 89.952 90.464 89.97 90.42 E_D_ . 90.42 IS1008a A MIO086 0 90.559 91.472 90.63 91.42 E_D_ okay . 91.42 IS1008a D MIE085 3 91.52 91.824 91.63 91.75 Mm . 91.75 IS1008a A MIO086 0 93.111 93.707 93.27 93.63 And ? 93.63 IS1008a C FIE073 2 95.44 96.56 95.46 96.53 Do you also do marketing ? 96.53 IS1008a D MIE085 3 96.679 98.848 96.679 98.6 No . 98.6 IS1008a A MIO086 0 99.264 100.4 99.28 100.34 So only accounting ? 100.34 IS1008a D MIE085 3 100.432 101.728 100.86 101.69 Accounting , yes . 101.38 101.69 IS1008a A MIO086 0 101.196 101.759 101.31 101.65 Okay . 101.65 IS1008a A MIO086 0 102.8 103.359 102.84 103.16 And ? 103.16 IS1008a C FIE073 2 103.312 109.376 103.41 109.34 And I'm Christine , and my role in this uh scenario is to be the industrial designer . 105.18 109.34 IS1008a A MIO086 0 104.624 105.008 104.64 104.97 Mm-hmm . 104.97 IS1008a A MIO086 0 109.62 110.848 109.84 110.77 Industrial designer . 110.77 IS1008a C FIE073 2 111.568 112.528 111.59 112.49 But I'm not really one . 112.49 IS1008a A MIO086 0 115.637 118.005 115.67 117.86 So who is uh marketing , nobody in the market 116.99 IS1008a D MIE085 3 117.2 121.312 117.24 120.7 Marketing is uh , is me . 118.32 120.7 IS1008a A MIO086 0 119.049 120.465 119.14 120.06 It's you , okay . 119.55 120.06 IS1008a A MIO086 0 121.536 134.822 121.56 134.27 So thanks for coming for the meeting first of all , and uh we have a long time , just twenty-five minutes to discuss about uh this project and the the project initiation . 125.41 129.08 134.27 IS1008a A MIO086 0 134.822 143.915 135.12 143.915 First of all I want to ask uh Mister Ed about your uh marketing plan and your product plan and uh - IS1008a D MIE085 3 143.034 151.749 143.034 151.18 Well I think that we'll see that throughout the day in how we're going to put this together as a marketing to to market the product . 151.18 IS1008a D MIE085 3 151.749 156.128 151.98 156.09 We'll have to see on a through discussion on where we're gonna go from here and from with this . 156.09 IS1008a A MIO086 0 156.192 162.008 156.23 162.008 Mm-hmm but uh do you already have like a functional design or a technical design or - IS1008a D MIE085 3 160.383 162.912 160.383 162.78 Uh for the moment not yet . 162.78 IS1008a A MIO086 0 163.2 170.368 163.24 170.368 Oh for the moment not yet , okay , but uh what's what's your uh do you have some project plan , something with you or 164.69 165.14 169.21 IS1008a D MIE085 3 168.912 173.25 168.912 173.02 Good question . 173.02 IS1008a D MIE085 3 173.25 179.936 173.93 179.9 No , this is like I said that we have to be discussed between all of us and we'll go from there . We'll have to simply we'll have to work on it together . 174.1 177.47 179.9 IS1008a A MIO086 0 178.256 178.672 178.28 178.64 Mm-hmm . 178.64 IS1008a A MIO086 0 180.064 188.848 180.11 188.848 Okay , so uh by when you think you can uh give me some kind of uh project plan , okay , a discussion with uh 180.88 187.54 187.77 IS1008a D MIE085 3 188.4 189.776 188.42 189.74 Certainly by the next meeting . 189.74 IS1008a A MIO086 0 189.84 191.904 189.86 191.87 By next meeting , okay that will be great . 190.73 191.87 IS1008a A MIO086 0 197.552 198.38 197.58 198.06 Uh - IS1008a A MIO086 0 200.467 206.365 200.56 206.33 Okay , so there's any questions or uh first of all about uh this project ? 200.81 206.33 IS1008a C FIE073 2 206.816 208.4 206.96 208.37 What is the goal of the project ? 208.37 IS1008a A MIO086 0 209.52 218.744 209.54 218.69 Uh the goal of the project I think maybe I'll uh hand out to the Ed , okay , so to explain uh what is the project because he's in the sales and the accounting . 213.62 214.04 218.69 IS1008a D MIE085 3 218.224 224.672 218.24 224.672 I'm in the sales I'm supposed to explain them what to do . We have to define exactly what our product is , from uh 221.7 223.75 IS1008a A MIO086 0 227.539 231.408 227.65 231.36 Yes , so can you explain uh what exactly the product is ? 228.04 231.36 IS1008a D MIE085 3 231.792 236.761 231.92 236.53 From what I had in mind we're supposed to be marketing coffee , is that right ? 235.88 236.53 IS1008a A MIO086 0 237.938 241.968 238.27 241.92 Oh I think uh , if I'm not wrong , we're making the remote control . 239.48 240.24 241.92 IS1008a B FIE038 1 238.476 239.456 238.65 239.456 Um I was wondering - IS1008a D MIE085 3 241.936 256.544 241.99 256.33 Remote controls , 'cause I had two different things . I had a first part of mine was to make a remote control for a new f remote control for television , and afterward I had a discussion about coffee so we'll start with the remote control for television then . 242.8 244.26 249.44 256.33 IS1008a A MIO086 0 252.368 254.471 252.368 254.31 Yes . 254.31 IS1008a D MIE085 3 258.048 260.771 258.07 260.67 So we're have to design something that is very user friendly . 260.67 IS1008a A MIO086 0 260.944 261.572 261.19 261.44 Mm-hmm . 261.44 IS1008a B FIE038 1 260.982 261.664 261.23 261.62 Mm-hmm . 261.62 IS1008a D MIE085 3 260.771 276.304 261.5 276.24 Something uh visual that has something that will will draw people to buy the product , because I think everybody's experienced with uh remote controls , and some remote controls are are worth uh throwing out the window . 269.95 272.85 276.24 IS1008a A MIO086 0 268.736 270.0 268.76 269.68 Mm-hmm . 269.68 IS1008a D MIE085 3 278.096 292.528 278.14 292.49 Uh th most of them ar I don't know we're have to come up with a new idea on how to make it a lot easier to use , 'cause a lot of times uh spend uh half a day through the instruction book trying to figure out how to use it . 287.03 292.49 IS1008a A MIO086 0 286.512 286.896 286.53 286.85 Mm-hmm . 286.85 IS1008a A MIO086 0 292.736 293.12 292.76 293.06 Mm-hmm . 293.06 IS1008a B FIE038 1 293.28 293.584 293.3 293.54 Mm . 293.54 IS1008a A MIO086 0 294.256 300.38 294.28 299.82 And uh what abo uh Christine , what about your uh the industrial design plan ? 296.94 299.82 IS1008a A MIO086 0 300.38 306.194 300.58 305.99 Are you have a design already on this product or uh you're still working on the design ? 305.99 IS1008a C FIE073 2 306.192 338.288 307.5 338.08 Um no , I I have not begun working on the design , and um I uh I actually didn't know we were designing a remote control , I thought we were designing a new monitor . Um the website I went to look at had some announcements about an introduction of a um uh some sort of a seven inch um monitor , and um I understood that that was the project goal . 308.74 312.33 318.0 321.19 333.85 338.08 IS1008a A MIO086 0 311.424 311.824 311.44 311.77 Mm-hmm . 311.77 IS1008a C FIE073 2 338.288 345.89 338.39 345.77 So um I'm glad I didn't d do any work um ahead of time because uh I clearly didn't understand the project goal . 345.77 IS1008a A MIO086 0 345.936 346.55 345.98 346.35 Okay . 346.35 IS1008a C FIE073 2 345.89 363.616 346.55 363.58 Um I just did s see that we were starting a new project together and there was going to be a four member team composed of these people , and um that's about uh that's and I I read through the different steps , and what my responsibilities were relative to the steps . 354.78 360.95 363.58 IS1008a A MIO086 0 358.28 358.752 358.4 358.71 Mm-hmm . 358.71 IS1008a A MIO086 0 363.744 369.68 363.76 369.65 So uh you'll be leading the team for your design team or how many members is working in the team , for the design ? 368.99 369.65 IS1008a C FIE073 2 368.59 372.074 368.59 371.48 Uh for the industrial design ? 371.48 IS1008a A MIO086 0 371.184 371.52 371.2 371.49 Yes . 371.49 IS1008a C FIE073 2 372.074 375.84 372.18 375.81 Um well , I would th think that depends on how much money you give us . 373.48 375.81 IS1008a A MIO086 0 376.208 376.56 376.23 376.53 Okay . 376.53 IS1008a A MIO086 0 377.353 378.51 377.53 378.51 That's - IS1008a C FIE073 2 377.36 386.562 377.74 386.46 Um because uh , you know , you can uh you can make it uh you have different choices with different financial models . 379.17 379.53 386.46 IS1008a A MIO086 0 386.187 399.808 386.22 399.67 Yeah , but uh before we talk about uh the finance , okay , uh do you have some idea how we can uh sell this product or project in the market and how much is going to benefit to the company and uh of course it's to the individual also . 386.42 388.67 389.49 399.67 IS1008a C FIE073 2 401.536 436.528 401.536 436.47 Well , you know um , I kind of think that in general you have to do uh um y you have to have something that's very fashionable , that's uh very attractive that um people see and recognize uh its goal , and uh they immediately wanna have it uh have one of their own . So it would really would need to um something like the iPod would be good , seems to have caught on fairly well , so um d uh you know , I don't care what it does , just so it looks cool . 403.07 404.5 412.01 418.84 423.78 429.73 431.58 434.54 435.35 436.47 IS1008a A MIO086 0 431.565 432.079 431.87 432.03 Mm-hmm . 432.03 IS1008a A MIO086 0 436.864 446.498 436.88 446.4 Okay , but uh uh when you think you can give me like a kind of design on the functional design or the technical design ? 438.19 446.4 IS1008a C FIE073 2 446.2 464.194 446.2 463.71 Well , uh I've got a lot of other projects I'm doing right now um and so I'll have to wait and see how those uh how those go . If they uh go quickly then uh it could be a month . If um if I run into any problems in my other projects it might be six months . 448.26 455.39 458.77 463.71 IS1008a A MIO086 0 464.304 478.988 464.32 478.83 Yeah , but uh I need something in the writing , so like uh what's your functional design , what's your technical design , and uh how many people you need for this project , and what's the time frame you're looking , okay , and what is the budget , maybe uh initial budget you're looking , 464.86 466.59 468.77 470.61 473.38 475.14 475.73 476.73 478.83 IS1008a C FIE073 2 473.2 473.618 473.23 473.52 Mm-hmm . 473.52 IS1008a C FIE073 2 475.202 476.164 475.31 476.04 Mm-hmm . 476.04 IS1008a A MIO086 0 478.988 488.193 479.29 487.91 okay , and uh how is going to the market , okay , so you've you've had to meet with the marketing team and how they're going to market and what are the marketing strategic plan , 479.67 481.96 482.28 487.91 IS1008a A MIO086 0 488.193 501.162 488.33 500.37 okay , when are you going to introduce , okay , and by the time you introduce the product and uh you know there there would be a competition , okay , so I need some kind of uh uh the plan in the writing from you . 488.6 490.16 490.89 494.84 495.54 500.37 IS1008a C FIE073 2 501.186 503.402 501.186 503.22 And when would you like that ? 503.22 IS1008a A MIO086 0 501.162 502.448 501.29 502.38 Okay , and it's po 501.93 IS1008a A MIO086 0 504.099 505.33 504.22 505.25 B as soon as possible . 505.25 IS1008a C FIE073 2 506.714 516.624 506.714 516.59 Uh well if uh if we have enough time uh then d do you think um two weeks is a is close enough ? 516.59 IS1008a A MIO086 0 517.048 533.437 517.22 533.21 Yes I think uh that would be good , because I need to go to the management and uh tell them what we are going to do , and uh what cost is , okay , and what's the time frame and what's the project plan , because uh without any uh documentations , I cannot go to the management and say , so we are going to do this and we need this much money , 518.53 522.09 523.73 524.08 526.96 529.26 530.88 533.21 IS1008a A MIO086 0 533.437 543.536 533.53 543.49 okay , so then it's it's difficult for me to say , okay , that's the reason I need uh some kind of plan from you , initially , okay , then we can have the further discussion again . 533.79 536.39 537.07 540.18 541.07 541.32 543.49 IS1008a C FIE073 2 545.056 548.768 545.16 548.72 Uh are there other people who will be contributing to the plan ? 548.72 IS1008a A MIO086 0 549.088 552.108 549.32 551.88 Yes , of course , if you need some help , uh so let me know . 549.51 549.96 550.87 551.88 IS1008a A MIO086 0 552.108 565.837 552.14 565.7 So , who are the people you need uh from the marketing or uh the technical side or uh the administration point of view , okay , to add in any documentation , or some technical point of view , so just let me know so I can uh coordinate all the teams . 552.48 558.56 559.22 561.61 563.09 565.7 IS1008a C FIE073 2 565.552 567.242 565.62 567.1 Okay , I'll get back to you on that . 566.07 567.1 IS1008a A MIO086 0 567.013 567.966 567.03 567.66 Yes . Thank you . 567.35 567.66 IS1008a A MIO086 0 567.966 568.447 568.12 568.34 Okay . 568.34 IS1008a A MIO086 0 568.447 580.88 568.94 580.79 And uh Ed uh so what's what do you think about uh this uh project for the remote control and d do you have some already planned something for your marketing strategy or uh the sales strategy ? 580.79 IS1008a D MIE085 3 581.104 609.171 581.18 608.99 Well not yet other than uh doing research and taking remote controls and looking what other companies have to do uh , what they're building , their designs , their ideas , uh also have to pinpoint which market we're gonna go into . It should be a fairly large market because uh the number of people that uh the competition , uh th I agree it has to be something it has to be something new , it has to be something that that draws people saying eh , I like this . 587.92 589.75 590.52 591.46 595.4 601.28 604.61 608.2 608.99 IS1008a A MIO086 0 587.484 587.957 587.55 587.87 Hmm . 587.87 IS1008a A MIO086 0 594.656 595.072 594.68 595.04 Mm-hmm . 595.04 IS1008a A MIO086 0 600.16 601.36 600.19 600.67 Mm-hmm . 600.67 IS1008a D MIE085 3 609.171 615.059 609.67 614.96 Whether it works or not , they have to first say I like this , I like the design , and then it's gotta be simple to use . 610.5 612.11 613.54 614.96 IS1008a A MIO086 0 615.136 627.309 615.16 627.11 Yes , so what I uh prefer maybe uh you need to interact uh more with the Christine , okay , because you know what she is going to do it , okay , and you know how to sell it . 615.79 621.11 621.41 624.83 625.5 627.11 IS1008a A MIO086 0 627.309 638.882 627.53 638.75 Okay , because uh she is doing the design , but you are the core because you are in the marketing , okay , so because you need to sell and you're the responsible for the all the money , the finance , okay , tomorrow . 628.31 630.63 632.95 633.26 636.66 637.79 638.22 638.75 IS1008a D MIE085 3 630.581 631.099 630.68 630.93 Yeah . 630.93 IS1008a D MIE085 3 637.68 638.222 637.86 638.15 Mm-hmm . 638.15 IS1008a A MIO086 0 638.882 655.149 639.16 655.03 So , what I prefer , okay , so you need to interact with the Christine more and uh within her team , okay , who is using the functional design or technical design , okay , and uh you need to come up with some kind of plan , okay , how we are going to do the your sales plan , okay , th 639.44 640.3 640.64 644.37 644.74 648.06 648.35 651.38 651.72 654.46 654.91 IS1008a D MIE085 3 647.461 648.238 647.52 647.74 Mm-hmm . 647.74 IS1008a D MIE085 3 654.56 664.931 654.66 664.931 Do we already have a cost limit on this , th an idea of how much uh we want to market this for , how much it's gonna sell for , that's up that's up to us to decide , eh ? 658.0 660.93 662.27 664.47 664.77 IS1008a A MIO086 0 659.674 660.025 659.7 659.8 Th - IS1008a A MIO086 0 660.805 662.002 660.93 661.92 That that's - IS1008a A MIO086 0 663.916 682.045 663.98 681.81 Yes , that's you have to decide , okay , so the best thing is you uh both of uh the Christine and you discuss with yourself , okay , and come up with the cost , and how we are going to compete in the market , okay , in the the technically , or in the sales wise , okay , the commercial wise , okay . 664.39 665.54 665.91 671.54 672.26 673.58 676.44 676.75 678.62 679.98 680.2 681.44 681.81 IS1008a A MIO086 0 682.045 690.993 682.18 690.22 Then uh we have to design , okay , how long it will take the whole project , okay , how much is going to cost us , and how much we are going to benefit for the company . 683.62 683.93 685.96 686.61 688.24 690.22 IS1008a A MIO086 0 690.993 696.136 691.08 695.66 Okay , of course it's it's uh of benefit for everybody individually . 691.55 695.66 IS1008a A MIO086 0 696.136 713.472 696.53 713.43 Okay , so I think it's uh maybe if we can uh give me some kind of your uh the sales plan , okay , including the technical what uh she's going to talk to you within the team , okay , then it will help me to discuss with the management for further , okay , and put it in the the proper project plan . 697.25 701.99 702.74 706.76 707.39 710.59 710.84 713.43 IS1008a D MIE085 3 714.903 715.824 714.903 715.79 Very good . 715.79 IS1008a A MIO086 0 715.072 728.619 715.1 728.08 Okay , and if you need uh any coordination in between uh compared to the maybe the some technical vendors or commercial vendors , okay , depends if you want to have some uh uh marketing plan or technical plan , okay , so you let me know . 715.81 722.84 723.06 727.09 727.36 728.08 IS1008a A MIO086 0 728.619 734.997 728.85 734.84 Okay , I can coordinate , or maybe uh , you are my coordinator , am I right ? 729.17 730.51 733.47 734.44 734.84 IS1008a D MIE085 3 729.3 729.882 729.44 729.77 Very good . 729.77 IS1008a B FIE038 1 735.232 735.952 735.27 735.9 Mm . 735.9 IS1008a A MIO086 0 735.872 738.122 735.92 737.93 Between uh all the coor - IS1008a B FIE038 1 737.392 751.442 737.41 751.15 Well , no , not exactly . I mean my job from what I understood was to look at the usability requirements and make sure that the product is usable , it's acceptable to the people who are gonna use it and look at the best ways to do that . 737.93 738.31 739.14 747.25 751.15 IS1008a A MIO086 0 750.96 751.232 750.98 751.2 Yeah . 751.2 IS1008a B FIE038 1 751.442 772.256 751.47 772.22 So I think I'll have to interact with Christine and discuss with her , so that she's not designing something that my studies will show right off the bat that it's not going to work , and so it's sort of it's a loop that feeds in , but I don't think necessarily that I'm in a coordinating position for it . 755.39 761.4 763.89 772.22 IS1008a A MIO086 0 753.327 755.553 753.58 755.43 Th Christine , yeah . 754.99 755.43 IS1008a A MIO086 0 757.88 758.454 757.93 758.454 Which is - IS1008a A MIO086 0 768.901 769.577 768.96 769.34 Yes . 769.34 IS1008a A MIO086 0 771.488 781.021 771.51 781.021 Yeah , so basically you need to interact with Christine more , okay , for the user acceptability , okay , and the testing , okay , then you will 771.97 774.98 775.36 777.96 778.4 779.59 780.31 IS1008a B FIE038 1 777.856 778.144 777.88 778.1 Yeah . 778.1 IS1008a B FIE038 1 779.664 797.137 779.7 796.98 Mm-hmm . Which will also feed into the marketing , because depending on what users want , depends on how you sell it , what tag lines you attach to it , how you try to make it more attractive to users . So I think all three groups will need to interact quite a bit . 780.68 782.31 784.24 785.94 788.24 791.63 796.98 IS1008a A MIO086 0 782.225 782.76 782.25 782.73 Yes . 782.73 IS1008a A MIO086 0 785.872 786.414 785.9 786.24 Yes . 786.24 IS1008a A MIO086 0 786.969 787.299 787.09 787.25 Yeah . 787.25 IS1008a A MIO086 0 788.875 789.342 788.97 789.27 Yeah . 789.27 IS1008a A MIO086 0 791.005 791.377 791.03 791.27 Yeah . 791.27 IS1008a B FIE038 1 797.137 805.376 797.2 805.33 Um , and then I guess build the plan based on all of that , because I think you need to take all the factors into account . 798.31 802.66 805.33 IS1008a A MIO086 0 805.1 805.668 805.18 805.52 Yep . 805.52 IS1008a A MIO086 0 805.668 814.0 805.79 813.97 But what I request , okay , keep Ed in the loop , okay , in between your uh meeting and Christine meeting , because uh he should know what's happening . 806.67 807.31 808.64 808.97 811.8 813.97 IS1008a B FIE038 1 808.704 810.439 808.72 810.37 Yeah , of course . 808.89 810.37 IS1008a B FIE038 1 814.256 818.379 814.28 818.17 Yeah , we can C_C_ him on any discussions or documents that are passed around . 814.47 818.17 IS1008a A MIO086 0 815.014 815.808 815.11 815.49 Yes . 815.49 IS1008a A MIO086 0 815.808 822.057 815.83 821.99 Okay and please please copy all the mails , okay , all the discussions to me , okay , so I need to submit to the management . 818.42 818.62 819.99 820.24 821.99 IS1008a B FIE038 1 820.208 820.471 820.23 820.44 Sure . 820.44 IS1008a B FIE038 1 822.224 822.672 822.24 822.64 No problem . 822.64 IS1008a A MIO086 0 825.728 828.032 825.75 827.98 So any questions for uh time being ? 827.98 IS1008a D MIE085 3 833.178 833.855 833.49 833.6 No . 833.6 IS1008a B FIE038 1 834.48 840.978 834.51 840.7 So , the immediate next step is to start determining the functional design , or okay . 835.13 839.88 840.7 IS1008a A MIO086 0 839.52 840.002 839.54 839.93 Yes . 839.93 IS1008a A MIO086 0 841.5 842.071 841.59 841.85 Okay . 841.85 IS1008a A MIO086 0 843.531 859.805 843.81 859.74 To come up with the functional design and uh to discuss with Ed , okay , and how it's going to be work , and uh first of all with your user acceptance , okay , how it looks like and how it's going to be work in the market , okay , so then we can discuss about uh further things . 847.44 847.71 848.91 852.44 852.72 856.11 856.87 859.74 IS1008a B FIE038 1 852.224 852.595 852.26 852.48 Mm-hmm . 852.48 IS1008a B FIE038 1 859.424 859.89 859.6 859.86 Okay . 859.86 IS1008a A MIO086 0 859.805 862.656 859.83 862.61 So , we'll meet when the we'll discuss on the further meeting . 860.21 862.61 IS1008a A MIO086 0 864.611 865.172 864.74 865.08 It's okay ? 865.08 IS1008a B FIE038 1 865.616 865.938 865.66 865.76 Mm-hmm . 865.76 IS1008a A MIO086 0 866.128 866.848 866.15 866.81 Thanks for coming . 866.81 IS1008a C FIE073 2 866.96 872.29 866.98 872.04 Would you mind um at the conclusion of our meeting could could you send us a copy of your slides ? 872.04 IS1008a A MIO086 0 872.475 875.207 872.71 874.89 Yes , I will . Yes . 873.58 874.47 874.89 IS1008a B FIE038 1 873.248 874.72 873.27 874.69 Mm-hmm , yeah , that would be useful . 873.66 873.99 874.69 IS1008a A MIO086 0 875.207 884.816 875.56 884.77 I'll copy , uh le let us keep all the emails and all the copies , okay , share each other , okay , so you know everybody what's happening , okay ? 876.5 879.77 879.99 881.35 881.59 884.51 884.77 IS1008a B FIE038 1 884.048 884.288 884.07 884.25 Sure . 884.25 IS1008a A MIO086 0 886.768 895.794 886.8 895.69 And if anything you need anytime so please either you can call me , or just send me email , or uh just come and uh knock my door , okay , so I'm available here . 890.04 891.52 893.93 894.2 895.69 IS1008a A MIO086 0 895.794 897.62 896.61 897.45 It's good ? 897.45 IS1008a B FIE038 1 897.224 897.549 897.3 897.51 Okay . 897.51 IS1008a A MIO086 0 897.62 901.359 897.73 901.18 Okay , thanks for coming and uh I wish you a nice time then . 898.68 901.18 IS1008a C FIE073 2 898.128 898.628 898.15 898.54 Thank you . 898.54 IS1008a B FIE038 1 898.703 899.359 898.72 899.29 Thanks . 899.29 IS1008a B FIE038 1 901.361 901.888 901.54 901.8 Thank you . 901.8 IS1008a A MIO086 0 901.866 903.888 901.89 903.5 Okay , see you later . Bye . 902.26 903.0 903.5 IS1008b A MIO086 0 34.03 40.537 34.48 40.49 Okay uh Agnes , you can help me for the slide when okay . 36.61 40.49 IS1008b C FIE038 2 36.579 38.05 36.75 37.92 Yep . Sure . 37.5 37.92 IS1008b A MIO086 0 40.537 42.982 40.93 42.79 Okay , welcome back . 41.3 42.79 IS1008b A MIO086 0 42.982 46.862 43.31 46.69 I hope uh you have a fresh head and a fresh time . 46.69 IS1008b A MIO086 0 48.823 58.089 48.87 58.05 How t now the meeting actually we gathering here to discuss about the functional design meeting . 58.05 IS1008b A MIO086 0 59.502 64.163 59.56 64.0 Okay , and uh we'll issue some information from uh all of you . 59.92 64.0 IS1008b A MIO086 0 64.163 68.419 64.18 68.35 And it's in the , I think uh , in the sharing folder . 65.17 67.16 68.35 IS1008b A MIO086 0 68.419 75.344 68.56 75.25 And uh I will invite uh the Christine and the Ed and uh Agnes to discuss about on the various subjects . 75.25 IS1008b A MIO086 0 76.688 79.716 77.29 79.31 So can you go to the next slide ? 79.31 IS1008b A MIO086 0 79.716 83.701 80.53 83.38 Yeah uh the agenda of the meeting is opening . 83.38 IS1008b A MIO086 0 83.701 92.984 83.88 92.84 Then uh I'm going to talk about uh the project management , what I'm going to do , and uh , of course , I'm doing the project management and secretary both , 88.01 89.1 89.89 90.45 92.84 IS1008b A MIO086 0 92.984 95.204 93.25 95.09 okay , to take the minutes of the meeting . 93.47 95.09 IS1008b A MIO086 0 95.204 97.537 95.71 97.5 And there are three presentations . 97.5 IS1008b A MIO086 0 97.537 99.928 97.56 99.85 One is uh new project requirements . 99.85 IS1008b A MIO086 0 99.928 103.556 100.34 103.52 And the second one about uh decision on remote control functions . 103.52 IS1008b A MIO086 0 103.556 105.881 104.01 105.78 And uh finally we are closing . 105.78 IS1008b A MIO086 0 105.881 111.814 106.04 111.73 Uh and the meeting time will be uh forty minutes , so you have to be very quick . 109.68 111.73 IS1008b A MIO086 0 111.814 118.822 112.88 118.79 And I have come up with the management come with the new proposal , okay , and I have to discuss a few points on this . 115.99 116.44 118.79 IS1008b A MIO086 0 118.822 124.416 119.56 124.38 Uh both says new insights in the aim of your project . 124.38 IS1008b A MIO086 0 126.336 135.536 126.36 135.42 Uh the one is uh the teletext becomes uh outmoded , okay because if uh because of the computer systems and the new technology . 130.65 135.42 IS1008b A MIO086 0 135.536 140.861 135.64 140.59 So we don't need to consider really about the teletext all in our new project design . 140.59 IS1008b A MIO086 0 140.861 145.504 141.35 145.44 And the second one is about uh the remote control . 145.44 IS1008b A MIO086 0 145.504 149.362 146.37 149.19 Should be used only for the T_V_ . 149.19 IS1008b A MIO086 0 149.362 152.01 149.95 151.95 That's what our uh management says . 151.95 IS1008b A MIO086 0 153.76 164.64 153.78 164.6 And the third point , it's very very important to establish our uh marketing or uh corporate image , okay , with this new project or new product . 154.83 161.99 162.26 164.6 IS1008b A MIO086 0 166.256 166.592 166.28 166.56 Okay . 166.56 IS1008b A MIO086 0 168.096 170.819 168.096 170.819 So I will invite uh - IS1008b A MIO086 0 170.819 173.824 171.64 173.77 Agnes , can you go to the third slide ? 172.11 173.77 IS1008b C FIE038 2 174.656 175.904 174.77 175.86 No , this is the third slide . 174.91 175.86 IS1008b A MIO086 0 176.096 176.711 176.12 176.41 Okay , . 176.41 176.41 IS1008b A MIO086 0 176.711 183.062 177.19 183.03 So , I'll invite uh Christine to discuss about uh the functional design . 178.86 183.03 IS1008b B FIE073 1 185.264 187.328 185.28 187.328 'Kay , do you wanna open the 185.57 IS1008b C FIE038 2 186.369 187.035 186.46 186.84 Sure . 186.84 IS1008b C FIE038 2 188.976 189.779 189.01 189.57 Um . 189.57 IS1008b C FIE038 2 194.352 197.405 194.37 197.14 You're participant s - IS1008b B FIE073 1 196.928 198.336 196.95 198.27 I'm number two . 198.27 IS1008b C FIE038 2 199.301 199.603 199.37 199.48 Two ? 199.48 IS1008b B FIE073 1 200.368 200.784 200.4 200.75 That's it . 200.75 IS1008b C FIE038 2 204.448 205.904 204.48 205.904 Do you want the mouse , or do you want me to 205.2 IS1008b B FIE073 1 206.208 208.193 206.23 208.11 I'll do the notes . Yeah , thanks . 207.03 207.4 208.11 IS1008b B FIE073 1 210.976 235.723 211.57 235.723 So um well I I figured uh we should um identify some user requirements , and from my experience , I wanna uh , and from research I did , uh the the device has to turn the television on and off the first time you press on the big button , you can't uh can't have like uh waffling on this point , you know . Really have 219.14 220.37 222.11 224.83 230.29 234.98 235.22 IS1008b B FIE073 1 235.723 238.331 235.87 238.15 It needs to be able y y have to be able to find it . 238.15 IS1008b B FIE073 1 238.331 243.794 238.64 243.54 Because one of the biggest problems with remote controls is finding them . 243.54 IS1008b B FIE073 1 243.794 256.086 244.49 255.75 So uh , I also , since we have to establish our corporate image on the basis of this new product , thought we better look at things that are popular and um ex go beyond those , and , as I said in the first meeting , 245.34 245.77 250.01 254.12 254.4 255.75 IS1008b B FIE073 1 256.086 273.313 256.58 273.313 um and then uh we might wanna talk eventually about the materials that are appropriate to use in uh in the construction , especially in the the uh the outside of the product so that it gives the appearance , and it is reliable , and so forth . 264.31 270.69 271.98 272.64 IS1008b B FIE073 1 273.313 293.565 273.67 293.29 I did a little history on uh the the uh remote controls and when they were invented and so forth , so , I guess this guy Zenith uh created the Flashmatic , which I kinda like the idea , 'cause it made me think of um um maybe the remote control made a big flash when uh you turn the T_V_ on and off , that might be interesting . 279.72 280.46 284.29 285.33 292.33 293.29 IS1008b B FIE073 1 293.565 313.133 293.93 312.94 And um so it was highly directional flash light that uh you could turn the picture on and off , and the sound on and off , and change channels c so I think um those are still requirements we have today , uh fifty years later . 303.49 304.78 310.6 312.94 IS1008b C FIE038 2 311.04 311.28 311.06 311.25 Mm-hmm . 311.25 IS1008b B FIE073 1 313.133 326.36 313.6 326.24 And uh it was really a pioneering innovation , but it was uh sensitive to the sun , so that uh it would get would start off by the you'd get it would easily cause um problems . 316.72 318.82 326.24 IS1008b B FIE073 1 327.016 328.134 327.09 328.06 So , uh 327.65 IS1008b B FIE073 1 328.828 342.569 328.86 342.569 I in addition to uh looking at the um uh the functional requir so all these devices are examples of where uh mm they represent examples that are available today - IS1008b B FIE073 1 342.569 344.382 342.569 344.13 which I think the one in the middle - IS1008b B FIE073 1 344.382 349.63 344.64 349.38 is r um really uh something to keep in mind . It'd be easy to find . 348.24 349.38 IS1008b D MIE085 3 344.912 347.96 344.93 347.96 Fantastic . 347.18 IS1008b B FIE073 1 349.63 360.761 350.22 360.68 And um it would uh y you'd you could throw it at things if if the T_V_ didn't turn on and off , you could use it for something else . 358.47 360.68 IS1008b B FIE073 1 360.761 366.763 360.99 366.5 And since I'm not really um Industrial Designer , I didn't really know what to do with this slide . 364.7 366.5 IS1008b B FIE073 1 366.763 368.48 367.14 368.36 But um - IS1008b B FIE073 1 368.48 382.803 368.48 382.66 I just took some different uh schematics and I put them into this , and I guess this is what a slide might look like if you were drawing a circuit board . I don't know why um we were asked to do this . 376.07 380.07 382.66 IS1008b B FIE073 1 382.803 383.934 383.12 383.69 So , 383.69 IS1008b B FIE073 1 383.934 387.941 384.36 387.81 uh personal preferences , um 387.49 IS1008b B FIE073 1 387.941 400.218 388.24 400.08 I think we could uh I I'm really thinking outside the box here , and I think that we should consider perhaps having an an an a a size uh a remote control that changes in size depending on the user preference . 391.33 400.08 IS1008b B FIE073 1 400.218 404.182 400.34 403.96 So something that's very very flexible and inflatable and then you could shrink it . 403.96 IS1008b B FIE073 1 404.182 421.107 404.42 420.95 I think um it could either be you could go either one extreme , be very colourful , or you could make it clear , and um kind of blend in with things , so you didn't have to um uh have a problem with the th the decoration of the of the user's home . 408.01 409.06 411.12 413.71 420.95 IS1008b B FIE073 1 421.107 430.695 421.52 430.54 Um I think uh it needs to be waterproof , because uh sometimes they fall into cups and , you know , it might be out by the swimming pool or something like that . 424.4 428.07 428.4 430.54 IS1008b B FIE073 1 430.695 446.69 430.97 446.47 Um if you uh mi one of one of my requirements was about needs t to tell you when it's done its job or not , because half the time , I keep pushing on the remote control , and I don't know if it's actually understood my message , so I think it should give you some sort of an oral cue . 437.91 438.75 440.59 443.85 446.47 IS1008b B FIE073 1 446.69 449.943 446.92 449.88 And uh , course I never wanna replace the battery . 447.63 449.88 IS1008b B FIE073 1 449.943 454.24 449.943 454.2 So , that's those are my f preferences , and that's my presentation . 451.12 453.03 454.2 IS1008b A MIO086 0 454.208 456.801 454.54 456.75 Yeah , let me uh interrupt you uh 454.7 IS1008b A MIO086 0 456.801 461.161 456.99 461.13 if you can add other facility , other feature , like uh unbreakable . 458.55 459.21 461.13 IS1008b B FIE073 1 461.264 462.16 461.46 462.13 Yes . 462.13 IS1008b A MIO086 0 462.077 471.388 462.14 471.29 Okay , because uh especially today , you know , you have the family and the kids , okay , and the kids throw it and they they play with their remotes and . 462.52 465.25 465.64 467.48 467.81 471.29 IS1008b B FIE073 1 470.048 471.456 470.09 471.42 Run over it with a car . 471.42 IS1008b A MIO086 0 471.388 471.769 471.41 471.73 Yes . 471.73 IS1008b A MIO086 0 471.769 478.256 472.14 478.15 Okay , so if you can add the feature , okay , for your uh fabric whatever in your outline design 472.49 474.21 474.57 IS1008b A MIO086 0 478.256 484.319 478.42 484.21 okay , with unbreakable , okay , I think that will give a lot of advantage for our product , 478.65 479.71 479.95 484.21 IS1008b B FIE073 1 484.752 487.47 484.83 487.47 Good idea . Good idea , I'll I'll uh um 485.79 486.19 IS1008b A MIO086 0 484.805 485.528 484.88 485.49 if I'm not wrong . 485.49 IS1008b A MIO086 0 486.929 488.404 486.95 488.32 Maybe you can uh add it in that . 488.32 IS1008b B FIE073 1 488.432 489.427 488.45 489.27 Yes , very good . 488.84 489.27 IS1008b A MIO086 0 500.048 510.304 500.13 510.27 Okay , uh thank you Christine , and uh uh any questions or uh clarifications , or any discussion on the functional design ? 500.54 501.59 506.54 510.27 IS1008b C FIE038 2 513.28 516.527 513.3 516.26 Do you have any preconceived ideas in terms of materials ? 516.26 IS1008b C FIE038 2 516.527 530.223 516.79 530.223 'Cause , for example , in the unbreakable thing , doing something plastic would be harder , whereas having something like , I dunno , steel or titanium isn't really economically viable . 516.91 517.56 518.58 521.14 523.64 523.9 530.08 IS1008b B FIE073 1 521.29 521.923 521.38 521.74 Hmm . 521.74 IS1008b B FIE073 1 524.368 530.912 524.39 530.76 Titanium . Titanium would be be heavy , too , wouldn't it ? 525.7 529.95 530.41 530.76 IS1008b D MIE085 3 525.233 527.75 525.93 527.75 Titanium . 527.62 IS1008b C FIE038 2 530.223 531.266 530.41 531.14 Yeah . 531.14 IS1008b B FIE073 1 532.872 541.735 533.14 541.7 No , I haven't really um I wanted feedback , I think we need to rate rank these , but we'll see what your uh personal preferences are and your thoughts . 533.29 536.16 538.24 541.7 IS1008b C FIE038 2 537.888 538.272 537.91 538.24 Yeah . 538.24 IS1008b C FIE038 2 539.504 544.499 539.52 544.499 Sure , yeah . No , I just wondering whether that you had any sort of 540.03 541.02 541.17 IS1008b B FIE073 1 543.905 545.792 543.905 545.7 I like titanium . It's light . 545.03 545.7 IS1008b C FIE038 2 546.032 546.384 546.09 546.34 Yeah . 546.34 IS1008b D MIE085 3 546.6 547.504 546.73 547.4 Expensive . 547.4 IS1008b B FIE073 1 546.72 556.048 546.83 556.048 Uh yeah but uh who who said who said we were , you know , nobody told me how mu what our financial objective is , so um 552.08 552.3 555.25 IS1008b C FIE038 2 548.256 551.296 548.256 551.296 The marketing comes out . 551.09 IS1008b A MIO086 0 551.377 552.062 551.45 551.84 Yes . 551.84 IS1008b A MIO086 0 556.688 557.846 556.71 557.846 Yeah so - IS1008b B FIE073 1 557.184 560.81 557.2 560.69 It'd be hard to inflate something ou made out of titanium though . 560.69 IS1008b A MIO086 0 558.91 564.296 558.98 564.2 Yeah the the I'm sorry because uh the last meeting we supposed to discuss about the financial thing . 564.2 IS1008b A MIO086 0 564.296 567.721 564.63 567.47 Uh let me go quickly , maybe if I can go back . 566.28 567.47 IS1008b A MIO086 0 568.451 570.896 568.53 570.85 I know the project plan and the budget . 570.85 IS1008b A MIO086 0 575.705 579.027 575.87 578.66 So I can close this , not sure . 577.72 578.66 IS1008b A MIO086 0 580.304 581.901 580.34 581.901 Was in uh - IS1008b A MIO086 0 597.259 597.869 597.31 597.77 S - IS1008b A MIO086 0 599.749 600.441 600.08 600.29 This . 600.29 IS1008b A MIO086 0 618.416 621.248 618.44 620.93 So let me see where is this file . 620.93 IS1008b C FIE038 2 632.064 633.364 632.08 633.33 That's Christine's . 633.33 IS1008b A MIO086 0 633.568 634.934 633.6 634.81 This is Christine . 634.81 IS1008b C FIE038 2 651.248 652.982 651.3 652.84 And that's mine , I think . 652.3 652.84 IS1008b A MIO086 0 651.878 653.184 652.17 653.15 That's yours , okay . 652.83 653.15 IS1008b A MIO086 0 654.506 656.064 654.54 655.45 Saving . 655.45 IS1008b C FIE038 2 658.288 658.896 658.31 658.86 In modified . 658.86 IS1008b D MIE085 3 659.52 662.959 659.54 662.65 I don't know , I think verbally we can we can pretty much sell . 659.87 662.65 IS1008b A MIO086 0 660.14 665.487 660.25 665.44 Okay , uh I will I will send you a mail , okay ? The project may be the the project aim , okay . 660.59 661.98 662.32 665.02 665.44 IS1008b A MIO086 0 665.487 672.402 666.1 672.35 At the end of the day , the company uh wants to make at least uh the fifty million Euro . 667.23 672.35 IS1008b A MIO086 0 672.402 678.179 672.64 678.1 Okay , and uh of course the price will be very reasonable on the the sales side . 673.56 678.1 IS1008b A MIO086 0 678.179 687.499 678.2 687.42 Okay , that maybe Eddie will talk to you about uh how much uh the price and uh what's uh how much its cost for the manufacturing and how much it's going to be we sell in the market . 678.52 687.42 IS1008b A MIO086 0 687.499 688.726 688.2 688.5 Okay . 688.5 IS1008b A MIO086 0 688.726 691.492 688.94 691.46 Then uh you can come back with your feedback . 691.46 IS1008b A MIO086 0 691.492 701.088 691.78 700.97 And I I have one maybe the suggestion or opinion . This remote control , okay , it can be for like universal , to use for any T_V_ . 694.92 696.44 697.31 699.4 700.97 IS1008b A MIO086 0 702.576 706.448 702.6 706.448 Okay , and it will be slim , okay , and uh 703.39 704.97 705.46 IS1008b B FIE073 1 705.343 707.44 705.343 707.33 Not fat ? 707.33 IS1008b A MIO086 0 707.696 708.736 708.01 708.62 Not fat . 708.62 IS1008b B FIE073 1 708.816 710.379 708.84 710.33 Not fat , huh . 709.44 710.33 IS1008b A MIO086 0 709.92 710.336 710.0 710.21 Okay . 710.21 IS1008b B FIE073 1 711.936 713.264 711.96 713.21 Might be hard to find , though . 713.03 713.21 IS1008b A MIO086 0 713.65 714.316 713.82 714.16 Yep . 714.16 IS1008b D MIE085 3 714.919 715.394 715.15 715.26 Hmm . 715.26 IS1008b A MIO086 0 715.424 720.86 715.44 720.56 But let's try it , okay , with the different uh the designs , okay , the functional designs . 716.45 716.78 719.02 719.34 720.56 IS1008b B FIE073 1 716.704 717.232 716.72 717.2 Oh , okay . 716.79 717.2 IS1008b A MIO086 0 720.86 721.637 721.09 721.32 Okay ? 721.32 IS1008b A MIO086 0 721.637 723.655 722.06 723.48 So any other questions ? 723.48 IS1008b D MIE085 3 723.696 731.054 724.72 731.054 Uh from her side , I don't think uh there's too many more questions . If you can come to the 726.09 729.84 IS1008b A MIO086 0 729.296 734.07 729.32 733.37 Okay . Thank you Christine for uh time being , so then uh 730.11 732.42 IS1008b A MIO086 0 734.07 736.733 734.48 736.733 Ed , so can you tell about 735.18 IS1008b D MIE085 3 735.024 745.197 735.43 745.12 Okay , from the marketing yeah , from the marketing side , just to to give an idea what the management is looking for , I was looking for a a remote control to have a s 735.69 736.71 737.76 741.75 IS1008b C FIE038 2 744.45 746.801 744.66 746.73 S 'scuse me for one sec . 746.73 IS1008b D MIE085 3 747.494 754.559 747.59 754.42 I have a sales price of twenty-five Euro , with a production price of uh twelve and a half Euro . 751.12 754.42 IS1008b D MIE085 3 754.559 764.506 756.77 764.13 For what uh I think from what we're trying to find , we're tr we're looking for , I don't think that price is exactly in the market . 759.79 760.85 764.13 IS1008b D MIE085 3 764.506 765.653 764.95 765.53 Okay ? 765.53 IS1008b A MIO086 0 765.568 765.904 765.59 765.87 Mm-hmm . 765.87 IS1008b D MIE085 3 765.653 769.019 765.8 768.95 I'll explain myself here now in the sense that uh - IS1008b D MIE085 3 769.019 779.854 770.24 779.57 in a in the recent surveys , uh from the ages fr from fifteen to thirty-five , eighty percent are willing to spend more money for something as fancy as trendy . 773.3 775.67 779.57 IS1008b D MIE085 3 779.854 785.402 780.59 784.99 Twenty-five Euros , uh that's that's a preson reasonable price . That's a market price right now . 781.54 783.59 784.99 IS1008b D MIE085 3 785.402 797.713 785.69 797.64 Now if we're gonna take a risk , and push this up a bit , make it more expensive , but give them added things that they don't have now , then it w it could possibly sell . Obviously the risk is there . 788.25 790.17 791.35 794.76 796.5 797.64 IS1008b A MIO086 0 787.024 787.855 787.15 787.69 Yep . 787.69 IS1008b A MIO086 0 794.112 794.4 794.22 794.37 Yep . 794.37 IS1008b D MIE085 3 797.713 799.711 797.97 799.61 Too expensive , they're not gonna buy . 798.61 799.61 IS1008b D MIE085 3 799.711 815.506 800.08 815.2 But , I think uh there's one other thing interesting two things that are interesting is that uh from the fifteen to thirty-five year-old group , which always spends more money on trendy new things , speech recognition is requested . 801.18 810.1 813.24 815.2 IS1008b B FIE073 1 816.454 818.718 816.454 818.46 Speech recognition? . 818.46 IS1008b D MIE085 3 815.506 824.733 816.49 824.53 And we're talking between seventy-five to ninety percent of this group is willing to pay for speech recognition on a remote . 824.53 IS1008b A MIO086 0 824.336 825.076 824.59 824.72 Mm-hmm . 824.72 IS1008b D MIE085 3 824.733 830.097 825.47 829.76 Obviously , we can't make a remote into a computer , but maybe simple commands . 825.95 827.98 829.76 IS1008b D MIE085 3 830.097 835.531 830.87 834.79 I dunno , louder , softer , on , off . 831.38 832.52 833.89 834.28 834.79 IS1008b D MIE085 3 835.531 841.814 836.27 841.42 That might be a possibility , even though it costs more , to be the first on the market to produce this . 837.73 839.58 841.42 IS1008b D MIE085 3 841.814 845.112 842.75 845.0 Thirty-five percent say they're too difficult to use . 845.0 IS1008b D MIE085 3 845.112 848.737 845.37 848.04 So we have to figure out a way of making it um more user friendly . 848.04 IS1008b D MIE085 3 848.737 855.137 848.737 855.137 Uh fifty percent say they can't find the remote half the time . 854.62 IS1008b D MIE085 3 855.137 865.672 855.45 865.51 So maybe one word speech recognition commands , say remote , and there's a beep beep beep , and they can find it through , you know , ten tons of newspapers , magazines , whatever you have at home . 858.15 859.07 860.04 861.8 862.01 863.17 863.76 865.51 IS1008b D MIE085 3 865.672 869.856 866.0 869.72 But , in the cost that uh the management is looking for , that's not gonna be possible . 866.76 868.78 869.72 IS1008b D MIE085 3 871.328 891.844 871.35 891.3 But if it's trendy , if it's fancy , it's got some colour to it , if it's very easy easy to use , if it's got simple remote speech remote uh control , like I said , louder , softer , change channel , on , off , remote , it goes beep beep , I can find my my remote without spending half a day looking for it and getting all upset 'cause I can't turn the T_V_ on . 872.16 872.92 874.63 876.54 880.68 881.17 881.56 882.08 883.87 884.12 885.23 885.79 886.47 891.3 IS1008b D MIE085 3 891.844 900.611 892.43 900.32 So we're gonna have to look at it in a in this global idea , with the ideas of the industrial uh design . 895.59 900.32 IS1008b D MIE085 3 900.611 903.136 901.11 903.1 But , price obviously we have to talk about . 901.59 903.1 IS1008b A MIO086 0 903.536 903.728 903.56 903.69 Yep . 903.69 IS1008b A MIO086 0 905.136 910.688 905.16 910.688 So what do you think about uh the design ? Do you think you can make it or uh 908.54 IS1008b B FIE073 1 914.524 916.0 914.62 916.0 D uh I'm sorry ? 915.79 IS1008b A MIO086 0 916.928 922.978 916.95 922.74 What do you think about uh the design , uh what he was talking about of the speech recognition ? 919.35 922.74 IS1008b D MIE085 3 920.768 921.936 920.79 921.88 Speech recognition . 921.88 IS1008b B FIE073 1 925.44 930.948 925.57 930.87 Well , uh training is always an issue with uh commands . 926.0 930.87 IS1008b A MIO086 0 930.784 931.168 930.84 931.12 Mm-hmm . 931.12 IS1008b B FIE073 1 930.948 950.329 931.35 950.17 So um might uh we can perhaps um do it if the user is willing to spend some time in the training process , uh it could reduce th th uh the overall um cost . 944.35 950.17 IS1008b B FIE073 1 950.329 951.402 950.69 951.2 Not sure how . 951.2 IS1008b B FIE073 1 951.402 960.945 951.402 960.65 But um anyway , um I I think also that uh this might impact the battery life . 954.18 960.65 IS1008b B FIE073 1 960.945 972.526 961.49 972.4 And um so , maybe what we'll have to do is um add something where you can um recharge it wirelessly 963.03 IS1008b B FIE073 1 973.584 977.05 973.6 976.66 so that uh y you know sen send power to it . 976.66 IS1008b B FIE073 1 977.05 991.773 977.8 991.57 So uh or maybe uh set it out in the sun and it uh , you know , gets uh , from the light , um a a solar cell inside there so that uh you have enough uh juice to do all these fancy things . 980.63 980.89 981.45 982.8 991.57 IS1008b C FIE038 2 980.907 981.189 981.0 981.13 Hmm . 981.13 IS1008b C FIE038 2 991.248 1001.902 991.27 1001.66 It seems also like with the speech recognition , yeah , it's a great feature , but if you're watching T_V_ , there's a lot of ambient sound , and it's words . It's not just , you know , noises like something hitting . 993.71 993.93 994.79 996.58 998.17 998.99 999.81 1000.07 1001.66 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1001.902 1020.03 1002.24 1019.79 It's actual speech , so then you have to make sure that the speech recognizer is good enough to filter out the T_V_ speech , and the the user's speech . Otherwise , you can say remote . But if someone on the screen is saying the same thing , all of a sudden , you have someone in a movie saying off and your screen dies , 1003.78 1010.16 1011.53 1011.93 1013.13 1016.0 1016.64 1019.79 IS1008b B FIE073 1 1012.763 1014.629 1012.93 1014.629 Off . 1014.54 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1020.03 1024.65 1020.31 1024.65 because they've triggered the remote control and it's turned off your T_V_ . 1024.48 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1024.65 1036.768 1025.38 1036.73 So , I think if we can find a speech recognizer that can handle those types of problems , then yeah , it'd be a really good marketing gimmick . But , I think we seriously need to consider how that would impact 1026.26 1030.52 1030.81 1032.55 1032.91 IS1008b D MIE085 3 1031.187 1031.89 1031.43 1031.81 Mm . 1031.81 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1038.608 1039.664 1038.63 1039.62 the situation . 1039.62 IS1008b B FIE073 1 1039.584 1040.288 1039.6 1040.25 Very good point . 1040.25 IS1008b D MIE085 3 1040.96 1048.752 1041.17 1048.752 Because tha w with speech recognition uh th I'm not that good at that idea but th - IS1008b C FIE038 2 1047.584 1047.92 1047.62 1047.89 Mm-hmm . 1047.89 IS1008b D MIE085 3 1048.752 1058.44 1048.77 1058.36 if it's a one-word recognition , 'cause I know with telephones and cars and things I've seen in the States , a friend of mine says call Mom , and it calls up Mom . 1051.77 1055.19 1057.27 1058.36 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1054.144 1054.352 1054.16 1054.32 Yeah . 1054.32 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1058.672 1058.992 1058.69 1058.96 Yeah . 1058.96 IS1008b D MIE085 3 1058.44 1061.14 1059.17 1060.85 'Kay the radio can be on and everything . 1060.85 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1061.018 1061.381 1061.05 1061.2 Yep . 1061.2 IS1008b D MIE085 3 1061.14 1070.795 1061.68 1070.42 Because I think s with speech recognition , if uh the the remote or like the telephone it has a exact word that it has to hear . 1063.4 1070.42 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1069.356 1070.201 1069.55 1069.97 Mm-hmm . 1069.97 IS1008b D MIE085 3 1070.795 1073.787 1071.08 1073.75 I don't think it would come through a sentence in a television . 1073.75 IS1008b D MIE085 3 1073.787 1078.855 1073.86 1078.77 If somebody's speaking on the se the television , they're not gonna stop and say remote , okay . 1075.9 1078.27 1078.77 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1078.229 1078.879 1078.29 1078.83 Mm-hmm . 1078.83 IS1008b D MIE085 3 1078.855 1083.923 1079.13 1083.923 So I think that uh something could be designed to recognise single word - IS1008b C FIE038 2 1083.072 1084.406 1083.34 1084.24 Oh yeah . Yeah . 1083.99 1084.24 IS1008b D MIE085 3 1083.923 1086.204 1084.57 1086.07 Like the t like the telephone . 1086.07 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1084.406 1089.462 1084.62 1089.43 No , I think it's a great idea if we can design it to to suit those requirements . 1084.7 1089.43 IS1008b D MIE085 3 1086.204 1095.744 1086.49 1095.744 No because I this is this is years ago in the United States where we're driving down and he said call home , and the telephone called immediately so well , that's kinda cute . 1090.82 1093.87 1095.38 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1092.655 1093.088 1092.75 1093.05 Yeah . 1093.05 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1099.408 1112.685 1099.43 1112.47 Well , what I can uh suggest to you , Christine , okay , uh if you need some uh the technical feedback , or some training , okay , about uh this facility , especially for the speech recognition , 1099.64 1101.32 1101.96 1102.35 1106.36 1107.72 1108.78 1110.45 1112.47 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1112.685 1121.121 1112.92 1120.83 I can recommend you some companies like uh Intel or I_B_M_ , okay , because they're already in this uh speech recognition part , okay . 1116.99 1117.39 1120.36 1120.83 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1121.121 1126.811 1121.29 1126.63 And uh you can maybe have some uh technical backup from them , some kind of a technical tie-up . 1124.73 1126.63 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1126.811 1140.013 1127.44 1139.92 Okay , and uh if you want , I can coordinate , okay , to get some information , okay , and uh you can uh let me know , okay , so what kind of uh the details you require 1127.95 1129.15 1130.29 1130.52 1132.52 1132.86 1134.44 1134.81 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1140.013 1142.576 1140.75 1142.53 okay , to add this feature 1141.14 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1144.208 1145.04 1144.23 1145.0 in this project . 1145.0 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1145.932 1148.484 1146.18 1148.28 I don't think it's uh the difficult . 1148.28 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1152.624 1156.301 1152.64 1156.26 And uh we need to know how much is the timeframe you need to develop , 1156.26 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1157.84 1159.728 1157.86 1159.69 apart from uh what today . 1159.69 IS1008b B FIE073 1 1161.504 1162.704 1161.52 1162.67 Okay , we'll find that out . 1161.92 1162.67 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1162.795 1163.191 1162.88 1163.04 Yep . 1163.04 IS1008b D MIE085 3 1163.36 1178.593 1164.33 1178.42 From from your side uh , you're gonna have to go back the management and s be more s precise . What do they want ? Uh , a risk , take a risk on the market ? Something that's gonna cost more , but could very easily s make a boom in the market ? 1165.91 1169.46 1170.54 1171.55 1172.32 1173.52 1174.81 1178.42 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1167.832 1168.72 1168.02 1168.44 Yes . 1168.44 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1169.792 1170.532 1169.98 1170.39 Yes . 1170.39 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1176.928 1177.296 1176.99 1177.26 Yes . 1177.26 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1178.512 1178.72 1178.53 1178.69 Yep . 1178.69 IS1008b D MIE085 3 1178.593 1184.105 1179.08 1184.05 Because it has to be something totally different , has to be total totally new . Something that nobody has right now . 1180.97 1182.31 1184.05 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1184.68 1193.669 1184.92 1193.51 Yeah but but end of the day , you're the sales guy , so I will come back and sit on your head because uh you are going to give your sales projection , okay . 1186.61 1187.82 1193.04 1193.51 IS1008b D MIE085 3 1184.105 1185.84 1184.96 1185.79 And it's gonna cost . 1185.79 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1193.669 1200.771 1194.13 1200.58 It's uh of course it's uh good to uh tell the management how much it's cost us and how much you are going to benefit , okay . 1200.17 1200.58 IS1008b D MIE085 3 1194.27 1194.936 1194.39 1194.84 Mm-hmm . 1194.84 IS1008b D MIE085 3 1199.52 1200.596 1199.54 1200.49 Sure . Sure . 1200.0 1200.49 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1200.771 1209.834 1200.95 1209.75 And uh , so I don't mind to convince , okay , the management to spend some more money on the project , okay , if you can make out of 1201.64 1203.61 1204.04 1207.86 1208.18 IS1008b D MIE085 3 1211.152 1212.88 1211.24 1212.64 Obviously . 1212.64 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1212.05 1218.153 1212.26 1217.93 the money from this project . Yes , okay I don't mind to convince the the management , okay . 1213.82 1214.4 1217.63 1217.93 IS1008b D MIE085 3 1212.88 1215.722 1212.9 1215.722 If the bottom line is positive . 1215.06 IS1008b D MIE085 3 1217.36 1217.632 1217.4 1217.58 Mm . 1217.58 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1218.153 1226.011 1218.29 1225.89 The management says , okay , so they they don't want certain facilities , which it's already worked , okay , they want something uh new , okay . 1219.52 1219.94 1221.94 1223.64 1223.98 1225.51 1225.89 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1226.011 1231.56 1226.21 1231.47 I think uh like uh speech recognit definitely they will agree , I don't think they'll say no for that , okay . 1229.09 1231.11 1231.47 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1231.56 1235.89 1231.79 1235.77 And uh I hope I can convince the management on that , okay . 1235.45 1235.77 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1235.89 1250.422 1236.16 1250.35 So if you have any uh new ideas , okay , for uh your you can always come up and uh you can tell me if you need any uh s special , okay , coordination , okay , between any uh technical companies , which you can uh hide their technology backup , 1238.09 1238.37 1244.21 1244.64 1245.51 1245.74 1247.51 1250.35 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1250.422 1256.272 1251.12 1256.24 okay , for your uh functional design or technical design , okay , then I am ready to do that . 1252.0 1254.71 1255.01 1256.24 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1261.504 1264.064 1261.53 1264.064 And uh what's your comments about uh - IS1008b C FIE038 2 1266.096 1275.007 1266.12 1274.93 Um well , I mean , maybe if I go through my presentation , you can sort of see what the user perspective is , and how it ties into the other two comments . 1267.91 1268.14 1269.61 1272.49 1274.93 IS1008b D MIE085 3 1270.2 1270.829 1270.42 1270.72 Mm . 1270.72 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1274.407 1278.365 1274.9 1278.365 Yeah , so you are finish , Ed , uh so I can uh 1275.29 1276.11 1276.51 IS1008b D MIE085 3 1276.435 1277.751 1276.63 1277.53 Yes . Mm . 1277.4 1277.53 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1278.365 1281.473 1278.92 1281.19 Okay , I'll uh hand over to Agnes . 1279.39 1281.19 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1281.473 1285.023 1282.11 1284.63 Just gonna close this . T 1284.51 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1287.072 1288.816 1287.11 1288.78 Uh where are you , here ? 1288.51 1288.78 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1289.027 1290.322 1289.1 1290.27 Mm participant three . 1290.27 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1291.024 1292.096 1291.17 1292.05 Participant three . 1292.05 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1297.903 1299.54 1298.01 1299.54 Nope , here 1298.91 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1299.584 1301.037 1299.64 1300.68 Okay , so I'll yep . 1299.92 1300.68 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1317.259 1317.687 1317.39 1317.59 Okay . 1317.59 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1318.784 1319.201 1318.85 1319.07 Good . 1319.07 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1323.548 1325.934 1323.79 1325.82 Thanks . Yeah , and that's fine . 1325.04 1325.19 1325.82 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1324.096 1325.612 1324.26 1325.13 Is it okay ? Alri 1324.91 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1328.368 1341.282 1328.39 1341.13 Okay . So , basically , the method that we usually use in the user interface design is that we need to look at what people like and what people don't like about existing products . So , in our case , existing remote controls . 1329.16 1330.94 1332.31 1339.18 1339.28 1339.77 1341.13 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1341.282 1356.489 1341.64 1356.31 And then , what the good ideas are , and what the bad ideas are , and why they're bad and good , which isn't always as obvious . We seem to have intuitions about why things are good or things are bad , but when you look , technically , at how it works , sometimes that's not the case . 1342.02 1343.21 1344.63 1346.01 1347.3 1350.95 1352.83 1353.38 1354.58 1356.31 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1356.489 1364.109 1356.89 1363.8 Then we need to decide what functionalities we really want to keep , 'cause that'll feed into both Ed's work and Christine's work . 1359.79 1363.8 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1364.109 1371.049 1364.52 1370.65 Um and then what the remote control should look like , obviously , once we've got a good idea of what the functionalities are . 1366.94 1367.42 1370.65 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1371.049 1388.065 1371.41 1387.68 So , in terms of the functionalities that we need , you obviously need to be able to turn the T_V_ on and off . You need to change channels , both by directly going to a specific channel or by channel surfing . You need to be able to control the volume and then control any menus on the T_V_ to regulate contrast or whatever . 1371.63 1373.27 1375.6 1377.26 1381.12 1387.68 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1392.032 1397.361 1392.05 1397.18 So , the problems that people have expressed is that there's too many buttons on remote controls , in general . 1392.51 1396.44 1397.18 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1397.361 1400.949 1397.62 1400.79 The buttons it's not clear what they're supposed to do . 1400.79 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1400.949 1413.153 1401.33 1412.93 Um often , you need to know specific button sequences to get certain functionalities done , um which you don't necessarily always remember , especially if it's a functionality that you don't use very often . 1402.5 1408.18 1410.2 1412.93 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1413.153 1414.928 1413.4 1414.89 And that the buttons are too small . 1414.89 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1416.116 1427.215 1416.14 1426.7 So , here we've got two examples where here on the left-hand side , you can see a remote control that has lots and lots of buttons . The buttons , in a lot of cases , are tiny . 1416.74 1421.22 1424.43 1425.03 1425.91 1426.7 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1427.215 1434.169 1427.58 1434.04 Um they're hard to see , and okay , they're labelled , but the labels don't necessarily tell you too much . 1429.03 1429.65 1430.58 1434.04 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1434.169 1454.107 1434.33 1454.06 Whereas , on the other side , you have a much simpler remote control that I think basically has the minimum functionalities that are needed . And it sort of looks simpler and just less imposing when you first look at it . So , I would be inclined to go sort of towards this , in terms of design , rather than this . 1434.58 1435.34 1442.72 1448.29 1448.55 1451.59 1452.83 1454.06 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1454.107 1461.357 1454.54 1461.29 And if there's specific functionalities that require more buttons , then we can figure out how to do it with existing um buttons . 1457.09 1461.29 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1461.357 1478.147 1462.02 1477.89 So my personal preferences are to keep the number of buttons to a limit , or to a minimum , sorry , make frequently used buttons bigger and more strategically placed , so like the on button being really obvious one , the channel changing and the volume , and to keep the design basically sleek and simple . 1465.52 1466.24 1467.07 1469.98 1472.97 1475.25 1477.89 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1476.928 1478.0 1477.08 1477.94 Click mm . 1477.94 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1479.183 1485.509 1479.43 1485.4 Which , I think ties into what Christine and Ed have both said fairly reasonably . 1479.65 1485.4 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1485.509 1488.699 1485.7 1488.22 Um so , that's pretty much it , an 1486.3 1487.73 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1488.699 1493.392 1489.89 1493.392 I don't know if you guys have any questions or - IS1008b B FIE073 1 1497.648 1510.442 1497.75 1510.28 Oh , it's um , seems very understandable . Clearly your research and uh and ours uh heading in the same direction , and um uh 1498.05 1499.17 1501.41 1507.7 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1506.603 1507.096 1506.65 1507.02 Yep . 1507.02 IS1008b B FIE073 1 1510.442 1520.467 1510.72 1520.36 the only thing that I saw missing from uh your your research that we found was this uh ability to find the doggone thing when you need it . 1520.36 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1520.512 1522.307 1520.53 1522.22 Yes , that's true . Yeah . 1520.93 1522.03 1522.22 IS1008b B FIE073 1 1521.424 1531.413 1521.46 1531.09 So uh , you know , but that's okay . That's why we're all here at the table , so that if we think of it and our research indicates certain things and um w we it's complementary . 1522.29 1522.51 1523.09 1524.42 1531.09 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1529.243 1529.65 1529.35 1529.55 Yeah . 1529.55 IS1008b B FIE073 1 1531.413 1550.767 1531.99 1550.59 I also think that um uh th f the the feel of it is uh , when you hold it , is something that um uh was expressed more in in in in my uh design 1539.71 1541.45 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1550.434 1551.689 1550.46 1551.49 Mm-hmm . Yeah . 1551.18 1551.49 IS1008b B FIE073 1 1550.767 1560.496 1551.04 1560.496 and that's logical and normal 'cause those are the parameters that an Industrial Designer's more thinking about , th th the look and the feel , and uh , you're 1557.35 1559.27 1560.15 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1557.529 1557.808 1557.58 1557.77 Yeah . 1557.77 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1559.858 1568.213 1559.93 1568.13 Oh , that's definitely a very important factor , especially to users who are gonna be buying the thing and then using it almost on an daily basis in a lot of cases , I think . 1560.0 1561.57 1567.64 1568.13 IS1008b B FIE073 1 1561.561 1563.376 1562.32 1563.29 First . Yep . 1562.87 1563.29 IS1008b B FIE073 1 1567.602 1568.235 1567.67 1568.14 Mm-hmm . 1568.14 IS1008b B FIE073 1 1570.247 1572.949 1570.247 1572.85 Okay , so I don't have any questions . 1571.48 1572.85 IS1008b B FIE073 1 1572.949 1573.898 1573.0 1573.73 Sounds good . 1573.73 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1575.072 1598.448 1575.09 1598.39 So for anybody need uh any help , for time being , on this uh subjects , okay , so please come back to me , and uh Christine , maybe I can uh try to help you to get some uh the technical uh the companies to help you for uh make a design uh slim , okay , and to add some features , like we are talking about , the speech recognition and all . 1578.97 1580.92 1582.33 1582.62 1584.66 1585.75 1594.08 1594.37 1595.81 1597.0 1598.39 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1580.943 1581.45 1581.19 1581.45 Oh - IS1008b C FIE038 2 1600.128 1606.709 1600.15 1606.41 Should we maybe make a decision about what features we actually want to include , 'cause we've thrown a lot of features onto the table , but 1604.23 1606.2 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1603.698 1604.253 1603.76 1604.2 Yeah . 1604.2 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1607.696 1613.472 1607.72 1613.44 do we actually want to incorporate all of them , or have we missed anything ? 1610.48 1613.44 IS1008b D MIE085 3 1612.292 1613.218 1612.63 1613.06 Hmm . 1613.06 IS1008b B FIE073 1 1613.76 1617.837 1613.78 1617.65 Do you wanna go back and look at the closing slide , maybe that would provide some guidance ? 1615.78 1617.65 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1618.502 1619.241 1618.62 1618.91 Sure . 1618.91 IS1008b B FIE073 1 1633.888 1634.912 1633.91 1634.88 Doesn't really tell us . 1634.88 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1634.848 1638.598 1634.97 1638.2 So not really this one we are talk ab - IS1008b D MIE085 3 1636.476 1638.77 1636.96 1638.77 Individual actions . 1638.09 IS1008b B FIE073 1 1637.728 1644.038 1637.75 1643.86 Well it says individual actions , it says user interf so I'm supposed to do the components concept , 1639.83 1643.86 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1639.766 1640.162 1640.04 1640.13 Yep . 1640.13 IS1008b B FIE073 1 1644.038 1649.113 1644.33 1648.95 supposed to work on the user interface concept , and you're supposed to keep watching the trends . 1647.05 1648.95 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1645.318 1645.825 1645.34 1645.65 Mm-hmm . 1645.65 IS1008b B FIE073 1 1649.113 1654.44 1649.78 1654.29 Um and specific instructions will be sent by our our coach . 1654.29 IS1008b B FIE073 1 1654.44 1663.536 1654.77 1663.5 I think we should do as many features as uh start with all of them right now and eliminate them later in the process , that's my suggestion . 1662.47 1663.5 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1654.562 1655.339 1654.78 1655.339 I thought - IS1008b A MIO086 0 1664.768 1671.309 1665.11 1671.19 Okay , that will be great . And uh I'll send you the the minutes of meet 1665.48 1668.05 IS1008b B FIE073 1 1670.064 1672.928 1670.064 1672.928 You can object if you want to - IS1008b C FIE038 2 1671.984 1674.64 1672.0 1674.64 No , I I'm just thinking in terms of time , like if 1672.17 1674.07 IS1008b D MIE085 3 1672.003 1678.112 1672.003 1678.112 She's objecting . 1677.65 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1675.244 1692.943 1675.244 1692.54 Yes , now I'm objecting . No , I mean , I was just thinking is it really practical to start designing something with features that we're just gonna end up throwing away ? I mean , it takes a lot of time and effort for everyone to consider different features , um 1676.16 1677.3 1677.56 1678.11 1683.97 1684.23 1691.69 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1675.596 1675.86 1675.62 1675.82 Yeah . 1675.82 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1692.943 1702.763 1693.42 1702.763 and s if we spend that time and effort on features that we're not gonna use , maybe it's better to spend it on the f thinking more about features that we actually do want , but 1697.25 1702.11 IS1008b D MIE085 3 1702.48 1704.583 1702.53 1704.583 Oh th we s we still have - IS1008b B FIE073 1 1702.764 1711.823 1703.01 1711.823 I think we should take that as an action item for after the meeting , 'cause w our meeting time has run out . Somebody else has go to use this room , and , you know , we can't hang out here and talk about this , so 1705.51 1706.98 1708.69 1709.02 1709.25 1711.36 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1702.763 1703.879 1703.05 1703.879 I guess - IS1008b D MIE085 3 1705.76 1707.604 1705.82 1707.4 Yeah . Right . 1706.7 1707.4 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1707.091 1707.794 1707.22 1707.68 Sure . 1707.68 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1708.608 1709.088 1708.8 1709.05 Yeah . 1709.05 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1710.46 1711.384 1710.48 1711.2 Yeah . Sure . 1710.74 1711.2 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1711.84 1721.127 1712.03 1721.07 Okay , what we'll do is now we'll take for lunch break , okay , then uh we can discuss furthermore , okay , with our areas , and uh then we will come back again in the in the next meeting . 1712.25 1714.59 1714.92 1717.38 1717.59 1718.42 1721.07 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1721.127 1730.742 1721.81 1730.07 So thanks for coming and uh I'll send you minutes of meeting , and uh please put your all information in the sharing folder so everybody can share the information . 1724.52 1730.07 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1730.742 1732.184 1731.26 1731.74 Okay ? 1731.74 IS1008b C FIE038 2 1731.011 1731.948 1731.53 1731.9 Okay . 1731.9 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1732.184 1733.984 1732.44 1733.69 So let's go for lunch then . 1733.69 IS1008b B FIE073 1 1734.96 1736.208 1734.98 1735.94 Thank you very much . 1735.94 IS1008b D MIE085 3 1734.63 1736.624 1735.07 1736.11 Agreed . 1736.11 IS1008b A MIO086 0 1734.963 1736.239 1735.45 1735.98 Thank you . 1735.98 IS1008c A MIO086 0 25.789 30.816 25.789 30.78 Uh welcome back after lunch , I hope uh you had a good lunch 28.93 IS1008c A MIO086 0 32.352 33.68 32.37 33.39 together . 33.39 IS1008c A MIO086 0 35.68 40.544 35.7 40.44 For uh this meeting the main agenda okay uh to discuss about the - IS1008c A MIO086 0 41.872 44.192 41.89 44.11 conceptual design meeting . 44.11 IS1008c A MIO086 0 46.88 49.488 46.9 49.43 Okay and the agenda will be - IS1008c A MIO086 0 52.592 62.064 52.72 62.01 the opening and uh that's uh the product manager or secretary that's me and uh the presentations from the Christine and uh - IS1008c A MIO086 0 64.176 67.216 64.2 67.03 Agnes and from Mister Ed . 67.03 IS1008c A MIO086 0 68.896 72.125 68.92 72.05 And finally in this meeting we have to decide - IS1008c A MIO086 0 73.552 77.248 73.57 77.16 and we are to take a decision on the remote control - IS1008c A MIO086 0 78.832 82.798 78.85 82.76 concept and uh the functional design - IS1008c A MIO086 0 83.728 87.264 83.75 87.22 So we have forty minutes , I think it's uh 85.95 IS1008c A MIO086 0 89.264 95.408 89.29 95.37 little bit uh low , but I I hope we can finish it up so I'll handle to the 90.85 IS1008c A MIO086 0 97.152 103.152 97.17 103.12 the functional team , to the Christine , okay , to discuss about uh the components concept . 98.17 99.2 99.64 103.12 IS1008c C FIE073 2 104.048 111.568 104.21 111.53 Okay . So uh , if you could open the PowerPoint presentation . I'm number two . 105.61 106.36 110.46 111.53 IS1008c A MIO086 0 111.632 113.872 111.69 113.5 You're number two . 113.5 IS1008c A MIO086 0 117.44 117.858 117.46 117.74 'Kay - IS1008c C FIE073 2 121.504 123.712 121.504 123.65 Components design , there we go . 123.12 123.65 IS1008c C FIE073 2 126.432 130.625 126.45 130.54 So uh can we put it in slide show mode ? Yeah . 129.62 130.54 IS1008c A MIO086 0 130.784 131.856 131.01 131.74 The next one . 131.74 IS1008c C FIE073 2 131.632 137.648 131.65 137.54 Right here , is that little that one , yes please . Thank you . I'll take the mouse . 132.92 133.94 135.3 136.49 137.54 IS1008c C FIE073 2 139.503 141.488 139.503 141.43 So uh - IS1008c C FIE073 2 143.904 218.543 143.92 218.48 we were looking he specifically at the components uh the following components , uh the case , the power supply , uh the means of communications with the television set . In instance we had talked about using some sort of speech recognition , you have to have microphone well no you don't actually I haven't have to have microphone in the device , but um maybe you do have it a a way it has to it has to hear the speaker and um , so it could be in the television set , could be in the device , but somewhere you have to put the microphone , um and a w a way of making beeps or sounds so you can find it when it's gets lost . Um so the other w thing that we So . Our method for going about this is we've looked at uh the histo hi historical record , what's worked , what hasn't and then we also um we wanted to evaluate some new materials and we contacted manufacturing for their input because , course , we m might come up and choose the material that then manufacturing didn't have the technologies or capabilities to offer us , so uh this is the approach that we took during our um our research . 150.19 151.4 153.55 158.1 161.9 167.31 175.74 176.95 178.11 180.95 187.13 190.53 196.58 197.14 206.46 206.79 213.85 218.48 IS1008c B FIE038 1 174.32 174.72 174.58 174.69 Mm-hmm . 174.69 IS1008c C FIE073 2 219.283 255.568 219.89 255.568 So um for the case , um we told we were making a specifica specific assumption that it would be curved in design . Course , you know , I wanted it to be expandable and shrinkable , but um that uh doesn't seem to b be one of the choic non-option we can uh we can really seriously explore , so then we were thinking about um rubber , but um unfortunately that's been eliminated because of the heat uh factor and th um there might be some problems with the m uh how it's 222.43 229.35 229.61 229.87 233.16 242.44 245.26 IS1008c C FIE073 2 256.827 258.752 256.827 258.71 uh goes with the board . 258.71 IS1008c C FIE073 2 259.558 291.328 259.558 291.21 Uh and uh then th plastic also has this problem of melting and it's brittle it gets brittle after a while , so um we still had titanium and and wood available , but um unfortunately uh uh titanium's also been eliminated uh , the m people in manufacturing said that you couldn't make d curved cases out of titanium , although how Apple did it with th PowerBook I'm not su quite sure but uh nevertheless um they've eliminated all of our options except wood . 266.87 271.24 276.61 281.54 291.21 IS1008c B FIE038 1 291.712 297.72 291.712 297.72 At least it's environmentally friendly . 297.37 IS1008c C FIE073 2 291.897 342.563 291.897 342.52 So , this is our finding . And a as she said , it's an environmentally friendly uh material , so we're we're currently uh proposing , uh we'll get to all my personal preferences in just a second . So then there's this other matter of the chips and um well we could use a simple design on the board , but uh these simple chips , but that's only works for the bu you don't get very much um intelligence with this simple one . And um then there was the regular which I regret that I've forgotten exactly why I'm eliminating that one . Uh the other option was this advanced chip on print , and uh we liked th we we found that it it includes this infrared sender , which w 'member the beam was that was an important component of finding the right chip . 293.4 295.09 296.05 299.0 303.32 305.98 311.51 313.14 318.31 328.48 332.91 338.45 342.52 IS1008c C FIE073 2 343.001 415.776 343.08 415.73 And uh manufacturing has told us that they've um uh recently developed a uh a sensor and a speaker that would uh be integrated into this advanced chip on print , so uh we we uh now jumping right to our personal preferences um I I'd really think we should , you know , use some of uh some really exotic woods , like um , you know uh , well you guys come from tropical countries so you can kinda think of some trees and some nice woods . I think that people will might really want to design their own cases , you see , they could do sort of a this um three-dimensional design on the internet , and then they could submit their orders , kinda like you submit a custom car order , you know , and you can choose the colour and the size of the wheels and the colours of the leather and things like that , and then I uh think we should go with the solar cells as well as the um microphone and speaker on the advanced chip . So this is the findings of our research and my recommendations um for the new remote control w um would be to have um have it be made out of wood . Do you have any problems with that ? 354.58 362.88 363.16 365.99 367.01 368.86 374.49 379.49 379.79 384.26 385.6 388.2 388.46 394.33 402.6 414.13 415.73 IS1008c A MIO086 0 415.739 418.336 415.739 418.27 Can you go back uh one slide ? 418.27 IS1008c C FIE073 2 419.264 422.88 419.28 422.72 I'm not sure , how do I Oh , I know , let's see . Let's go back up here . 420.0 420.58 420.9 421.36 422.72 IS1008c B FIE038 1 421.25 422.798 421.29 422.76 Thank you . Yeah . 422.54 422.76 IS1008c A MIO086 0 422.816 430.768 422.84 430.71 Yes , uh question , uh , what's mean exactly , advanced chip on print ? What's the meaning of that ? 423.21 424.56 426.23 427.76 429.72 430.71 IS1008c C FIE073 2 430.976 440.608 431.0 440.56 I think it's um um a multiple uh chip design um and it's uh maybe printed on to the circuit board . 440.56 IS1008c A MIO086 0 441.616 442.023 441.64 441.97 Mm-hmm . 441.97 IS1008c C FIE073 2 441.621 446.928 442.13 446.88 Uh I could find out more about that uh before the next fi next meeting . 446.88 IS1008c A MIO086 0 444.464 450.496 444.49 450.496 Yeah , is it means it's on the yeah is it on a micro-proc micro-processor based or uh 444.6 IS1008c C FIE073 2 452.704 455.312 452.72 455.27 I don't know , but I'll find out more at our next meeting . 453.31 455.27 IS1008c A MIO086 0 454.848 459.801 454.87 459.7 Okay , tha that would be great , so if you find out from the technology background , okay , so that would be good . 455.2 456.11 458.45 458.73 459.7 IS1008c C FIE073 2 459.872 460.56 459.89 460.5 Sounds good . 460.5 IS1008c B FIE038 1 461.232 464.262 461.26 464.18 Why was the plastic eliminated as a possible material ? 464.18 IS1008c C FIE073 2 463.92 466.448 463.94 466.4 Because um it gets brittle , 466.4 IS1008c C FIE073 2 467.456 468.544 467.48 468.544 cracks - IS1008c B FIE038 1 468.64 469.056 468.67 469.02 Mm-hmm . 469.02 IS1008c C FIE073 2 471.296 471.808 471.34 471.77 Um - IS1008c C FIE073 2 473.072 479.968 473.15 479.93 We want we expect these um uh these remote controls to be around for several hundred years . 479.93 IS1008c C FIE073 2 480.976 490.256 481.0 490.256 So . Good ex Good expression . 481.68 490.14 IS1008c B FIE038 1 482.46 482.931 482.46 482.9 Whic - IS1008c D MIE085 3 482.848 492.192 482.87 492.192 Wow , good expression . Well after us . 486.83 488.33 491.47 IS1008c B FIE038 1 484.69 486.264 484.69 486.264 Which - IS1008c C FIE073 2 492.144 496.565 492.16 496.565 I don't know , speak for yourself , I'm planning to be around for a while . 492.45 493.58 496.32 IS1008c B FIE038 1 493.664 495.232 493.68 495.232 Although I think - IS1008c B FIE038 1 496.512 508.074 496.92 508.074 I think with wood though you'd run into the same types of problems , wouldn't you , I mean it chips , it if you drop it , uh it's I'm not su 499.87 500.21 501.61 503.56 IS1008c A MIO086 0 506.624 510.689 506.64 510.54 So so you're not convinced about the the wood , yes . 509.9 510.54 IS1008c D MIE085 3 508.176 512.823 508.2 512.72 Actually , I'm ready to sell it . I'm ready to sell it . 508.5 511.73 512.72 IS1008c C FIE073 2 508.696 511.488 508.696 511.45 you're what ? 511.45 IS1008c B FIE038 1 511.568 517.492 511.74 517.492 I think if you re if you use really good quality wood , then it might work , but you can't just use 515.17 516.0 IS1008c C FIE073 2 512.695 514.241 512.695 514.09 You think ? 514.09 IS1008c C FIE073 2 515.305 520.095 515.305 520.02 And you could you could sell oils with it , to take care of it . 518.61 520.02 IS1008c D MIE085 3 515.676 525.024 515.75 524.36 No y no no no , the o the only w the only wood you can use are the ones that are hard , extremely hard wood , but there are some very pretty woods out there . 517.82 520.97 522.11 524.36 IS1008c B FIE038 1 521.104 522.614 521.12 522.58 Yeah , exactly , yeah . 521.52 522.23 522.58 IS1008c C FIE073 2 523.598 526.903 523.598 526.903 Well I'm glad you - IS1008c D MIE085 3 526.336 528.112 526.36 527.99 That's actually very innovative idea . 527.99 IS1008c C FIE073 2 528.32 535.157 528.34 535.157 Okay , good . Sorr having a hard time keeping wi control over my face . 528.88 529.86 534.99 IS1008c D MIE085 3 535.664 541.92 535.69 541.89 Well , it's actually a very innovative n different idea that uh you know you can choose your colour of wood , your type of wood . 535.81 541.06 541.89 IS1008c C FIE073 2 541.684 542.603 541.7 542.55 Mm-hmm . 542.55 IS1008c B FIE038 1 542.912 543.564 542.94 543.51 The stain . 543.51 IS1008c D MIE085 3 543.204 551.664 543.204 551.58 I mean it's each person is gonna have their own personalised , individualised speech recognition remote control in wood , that's not on the market . 545.59 549.64 551.58 IS1008c C FIE073 2 548.211 548.574 548.26 548.53 Mm . 548.53 IS1008c A MIO086 0 552.4 557.984 552.42 557.88 Yeah , so it it's looks good the the design the functional design uh , what about yo you ? 552.78 556.56 557.88 IS1008c B FIE038 1 558.72 564.08 558.72 564.08 Um , in terms of comments on this or in terms of my own 561.03 IS1008c A MIO086 0 562.236 566.576 562.3 566.576 Yes , in t yes , in term in terms of comments first 562.93 564.52 IS1008c D MIE085 3 562.475 567.68 562.475 567.68 In turns of wow . 567.44 IS1008c C FIE073 2 567.6 575.962 567.62 575.962 She works in the cubicle next to me so she's uh she was already a little bit prepared for this . Luckily Ed was not . 572.97 575.73 IS1008c B FIE038 1 571.336 572.682 571.37 572.56 Y yeah . 572.56 IS1008c D MIE085 3 574.761 578.208 574.9 578.208 Wood ? 577.84 IS1008c B FIE038 1 577.965 603.712 577.965 603.712 I think we can get the quality materials then it shouldn't influence the design principles too much , which you'll see with my presentation . One thing we'd have to check though is what the users whether how quickly the novelty wears off of having uh Yeah , for example . So , have to see how kid-friendly it is and and all that , but 585.07 586.98 595.79 597.5 598.82 603.52 IS1008c C FIE073 2 592.224 598.038 592.25 598.038 Mm-hmm . Yeah , you wouldn't wanna have to have splinters in your hand while you're using your 593.37 593.46 IS1008c C FIE073 2 602.631 609.76 602.631 608.86 It's really good if your dog gets ahold of it , they can use it for teething . 605.7 608.86 IS1008c D MIE085 3 610.352 614.38 610.38 614.15 They do that anyway with the rubber and plastic , so , and chew 'em up . 612.05 612.67 614.15 IS1008c C FIE073 2 612.368 615.312 612.51 615.23 Yeah , they do it with other materials as well , yeah . 612.79 615.0 615.23 IS1008c D MIE085 3 615.328 616.032 615.35 615.89 And chew 'em up . 615.89 IS1008c A MIO086 0 616.816 620.16 616.86 619.87 Okay then , uh , let's move to Agnes . 617.42 617.64 619.87 IS1008c B FIE038 1 619.616 619.904 619.64 619.84 Sure . 619.84 IS1008c C FIE073 2 622.784 623.787 622.86 623.48 Oh , I'm sorry . 622.91 623.48 IS1008c A MIO086 0 630.064 631.36 630.08 631.36 S you're - IS1008c A MIO086 0 638.88 640.24 638.9 640.11 You are in participant three . 640.11 IS1008c B FIE038 1 639.408 640.48 639.43 640.43 One point three , yeah . 640.28 640.43 IS1008c B FIE038 1 642.213 643.002 642.37 642.95 Uh , yeah . 642.75 642.95 IS1008c A MIO086 0 643.6 643.888 643.62 643.84 This one ? 643.84 IS1008c B FIE038 1 644.176 645.079 644.22 645.0 I think so , yeah . 644.79 645.0 IS1008c B FIE038 1 646.657 691.739 646.96 691.7 Yeah , that's the one . So , it's a very short presentation , 'cause I'm actually gonna draw you the layout on the board so if you want to just go straight to the second slide , um , which basically shows , sort of I took the ideas that we were talking about last time um and tried to put that into the remote control so the things that y you can actually see on it are the on off switch , volume and channel control , the menu access button , ergonomic shape , which I completely agree with Christine's idea to have it sort of molded , so it's slightly more ergonomic and comfortable to hold than the r standard very straight remote controls . And actually the other thing with the wood if we take your customising idea , is that people can actually do sort of quasi-measurements on their hand size , so if someone has larger hands , you have a wider remote control . 647.27 648.26 648.44 649.81 656.28 656.92 658.33 668.25 669.62 671.5 672.41 675.37 681.15 684.51 687.85 689.7 691.7 IS1008c C FIE073 2 688.165 692.863 688.165 692.83 Right , my hand is uh different size than yours for example . 689.33 692.83 IS1008c B FIE038 1 693.44 741.104 693.44 741.104 So , that's actually a really good idea for customi customisability . Um , one thing I thought might be kind of interesting is to put a flip screen on it , just like you have on flip phones , so that you don't have this case where someone sits on the remote control or accidentally puts their hand on it , especially if you have little kids around , they're not pressing the buttons while you're trying to watch a T_V_ show and accidentally change the channel or turn it off . And also um you had issues with the batteries running out , so I thought maybe we could put a little battery life-light on it that kind of goes dimmer and dimmer and dimmer as your battery is starts to die . And in terms of invisible features , audio and um tactile feedback on button presses and , like you said , speech recognition . So , in terms of what this thing would actually look like 693.87 697.28 697.62 701.1 703.36 709.16 711.02 716.75 720.38 727.69 730.02 734.77 735.21 737.44 737.85 IS1008c C FIE073 2 715.024 716.016 715.04 715.98 Mm-hmm . 715.98 IS1008c C FIE073 2 732.96 733.696 732.99 733.66 Mm-hmm . 733.66 IS1008c B FIE038 1 742.338 748.383 743.53 748.383 Despite working in interface design , I'm not the greatest artist in the world , so you'll have to forgive me . 745.22 746.62 748.24 IS1008c B FIE038 1 750.912 765.648 750.93 765.61 You'd have something like this with an on-off switch fairly big , sort of in the corner and by itself , so you don't accidentally turn your T_V_ off while you're trying to manoeuvre other buttons . And then you have sort of one of those toggle displays for , oops , 754.63 756.76 761.18 765.29 765.61 IS1008c B FIE038 1 766.784 781.76 766.8 781.73 channels and volume , sort of for surfing channels and then volume , so the volume would be the up and down , 'cause volume goes up and down and then channels left to right . And then here you'd have your sort of standard , telephonish 769.13 771.44 773.88 777.8 780.75 IS1008c B FIE038 1 782.832 783.776 782.85 783.61 number pad . 783.61 IS1008c B FIE038 1 786.374 804.464 786.374 804.4 And then on one side you would have an access to the menu on your T_V_ and on the other side a way to turn off the voice control . So that if the user doesn't want to use their voice , they can just turn it off and you don't have the remote control accidentally changing things on you . 797.08 799.02 804.4 IS1008c C FIE073 2 798.07 798.556 798.09 798.52 Mm . 798.52 IS1008c C FIE073 2 800.982 801.824 801.19 801.79 Mm-hmm . 801.79 IS1008c B FIE038 1 805.664 810.183 805.68 810.12 Um , so again you can have a little L_C_D_ light somewhere , the flip 806.19 809.69 IS1008c B FIE038 1 811.33 814.304 811.33 814.14 thing and Have I forgotten anything ? 814.14 IS1008c B FIE038 1 816.005 837.632 816.03 837.46 I don't think so . So , as you can see , it's a very very simple design , which is one of the things I really wanted to keep , is keep it simple , not have too many buttons , not have too many functionalities thrown into it . Think the design can pretty much carry over to everything , although with the wood the flip screen might have to do something slightly different . 817.41 817.56 818.29 820.06 822.71 823.49 824.69 827.75 830.73 837.46 IS1008c D MIE085 3 817.328 818.722 817.52 818.722 No . 818.45 IS1008c C FIE073 2 836.544 837.459 836.6 837.32 A hinge . 837.32 IS1008c C FIE073 2 838.224 840.352 838.26 840.3 Be like a copper hinge or you know . 840.3 IS1008c B FIE038 1 839.648 865.808 839.77 865.69 Yeah . But you also have to d start watching out for the weight , 'cause depending on how much the the flip screen will add to the weight of the remote control , you don't want it to start getting too heavy . But that's the general layout with the general functionalities , if we come up with something else . As you can see , there's still lots of space on the actual remote control and if you do it customisably , you can make this thing fairly small or fairly o large , depending on personal preferences . 840.48 842.41 846.76 849.33 852.14 854.25 854.84 859.99 863.58 865.69 IS1008c C FIE073 2 845.456 846.064 845.48 846.03 Mm-hmm . 846.03 IS1008c C FIE073 2 848.48 848.704 848.51 848.67 Mm . 848.67 IS1008c C FIE073 2 863.44 865.214 863.48 865.18 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 864.61 865.18 IS1008c D MIE085 3 866.624 867.04 866.73 866.88 Hmm . 866.88 IS1008c B FIE038 1 867.36 876.576 867.38 876.34 So , that's pretty much all I had to say , I mean , everything else in terms of design issues . Um the centering of the key pad and 868.07 870.69 871.03 874.11 IS1008c B FIE038 1 877.652 893.984 877.652 893.95 the channel is just depending on where your thumb is and you tend to use the the volume control and uh the browsing more than the actual number pad , so that would be sort of in direct line of where your thumb goes when you are holding the remote control , the number pad a little bit lower 'cause it's used less frequently . 886.82 891.34 893.95 IS1008c C FIE073 2 889.888 890.496 889.91 890.46 Mm-hmm . 890.46 IS1008c C FIE073 2 892.976 893.264 893.01 893.18 Mm . 893.18 IS1008c C FIE073 2 893.984 894.656 894.01 894.62 Mm-hmm . 894.62 IS1008c B FIE038 1 895.12 901.856 895.14 901.82 So once we decide exactly what we want , then we can figure out the exact positioning , but more or less I think it should go along those lines . 897.11 899.51 901.82 IS1008c A MIO086 0 904.64 908.304 904.66 908.24 So what's your , uh , the comments or uh 905.36 906.84 IS1008c A MIO086 0 909.044 909.381 909.14 909.23 s - IS1008c D MIE085 3 909.648 910.528 909.67 910.49 Simple design . 910.49 IS1008c D MIE085 3 911.909 913.098 911.95 912.96 It's what consumers want . 912.96 IS1008c A MIO086 0 913.216 913.632 913.25 913.58 Okay - IS1008c D MIE085 3 914.656 921.536 914.68 921.09 It's almost like , Houston , we have a product here . Problem is obviously gonna be cost . 915.13 915.54 919.29 921.09 IS1008c B FIE038 1 921.472 921.824 921.51 921.79 Mm-hmm . 921.79 IS1008c D MIE085 3 923.056 931.952 923.15 931.79 Okay , I also have a f very simple presentation , because for the marketing point you have to see what the consumers want . 923.48 929.12 931.79 IS1008c A MIO086 0 928.784 929.259 928.82 929.16 Mm-hmm . 929.16 IS1008c A MIO086 0 930.599 930.902 930.62 930.8 Yeah . 930.8 IS1008c B FIE038 1 932.384 932.576 932.4 932.54 Yeah . 932.54 IS1008c D MIE085 3 933.312 936.256 933.312 936.15 I also have uh copied a - IS1008c D MIE085 3 937.904 939.318 937.95 938.88 different type of remote . 938.88 IS1008c D MIE085 3 940.96 943.04 941.01 943.04 If you can find me , where I'm at . 941.96 942.8 IS1008c D MIE085 3 944.256 947.536 944.3 947.5 There should only be one in here . trend watch . 946.81 947.5 IS1008c C FIE073 2 953.059 953.632 953.059 953.6 Sure . 953.6 IS1008c D MIE085 3 954.8 958.4 954.84 958.33 It's being modified . They're stealing our product . 957.22 958.33 IS1008c D MIE085 3 959.904 980.128 959.904 980.07 We've been giving simple questionnaires in different areas because th obviously we have to see what the com consumers are looking for today , 'cause uh trends change very very quickly . In six months maybe this idea is already gone out the window , so it's gonna be a question how fast we can act . Uh they already erased the rest of mine , huh . 967.55 970.96 974.37 977.84 979.86 980.07 IS1008c C FIE073 2 980.736 982.704 980.77 982.67 No , f go to findings . 981.32 982.67 IS1008c B FIE038 1 981.36 981.648 981.38 981.61 No , no . 981.49 981.61 IS1008c D MIE085 3 982.128 983.424 982.15 983.39 No no , no no . 982.99 983.39 IS1008c D MIE085 3 985.12 1018.569 985.12 1017.99 'Cause I had another comment there . Uh the market trend . This is what we know from the last uh from the questionnaires from the the all the p surveys we've done , fancy and feel-good , that's what we've been looking for , something that feels good in the hand , that's easy to use . Looking for next generation of innovation , because all the remotes out there now , they're all very similar , they all do the same thing , we have to have something completely different . Okay ? Easy to use , has always has become has become another major interest that uh , with the whiteboard we can see that it's a remote that's easy to use . 987.02 989.23 995.43 996.52 997.58 998.96 1000.58 1002.71 1004.34 1005.47 1007.22 1009.28 1009.99 1010.65 1014.67 1017.99 IS1008c D MIE085 3 1019.213 1050.304 1019.42 1050.27 And I think this is another thing that's interesting is the consumers actually willing to pay the price for exciting tel technology . So even if we have a product that may be more expensive , if it comes out right , if they look it looks and feels good and has technology . The second two , you can see the last one is a very easy simple design . The second one , there is about uh forty-five thousand different buttons on it , which makes it fairly hard to read , uh very hard to use . The first one , I see that they put in a display . 1025.31 1028.66 1030.39 1035.33 1036.29 1040.63 1041.31 1044.37 1045.97 1047.09 1047.75 1050.27 IS1008c D MIE085 3 1051.392 1066.016 1051.42 1066.016 Now there's something else uh with the little flip-up , now we're adding all kinds of things in , but with the little flip-up , if you have a little display on the flip-up that when you close it everything is locked . Maybe the display also makes it easier to use , because sometimes when you're looking for buttons , maybe if you see a display 1053.55 1055.04 1056.05 1060.01 1062.52 1064.32 IS1008c B FIE038 1 1055.231 1055.594 1055.25 1055.55 Mm-hmm . 1055.55 IS1008c B FIE038 1 1059.568 1059.962 1059.59 1059.88 Yeah . 1059.88 IS1008c C FIE073 2 1066.816 1073.708 1066.84 1073.67 Context-sensitive instructions , depending on what the tel what mode the T_V_ or the D_V_D_ or something else is in . 1069.88 1073.67 IS1008c B FIE038 1 1069.232 1069.552 1069.25 1069.52 Right . 1069.52 IS1008c D MIE085 3 1069.453 1070.048 1069.453 1070.01 Okay - IS1008c D MIE085 3 1072.832 1086.624 1072.94 1086.52 Because I've seen mostly the standard ones , yeah . Now you have it now you have one with the very simple also . The idea is simple , but with a display , so you can see what you're doing . So maybe if we can incorporate the easiness of use , 1075.41 1076.29 1079.54 1080.4 1081.78 1083.82 1086.52 IS1008c B FIE038 1 1073.508 1078.148 1073.66 1077.99 Especially you might need something like that for training the speech recognition and yeah . 1077.99 IS1008c B FIE038 1 1081.728 1082.251 1081.76 1082.08 Mm-hmm . 1082.08 IS1008c B FIE038 1 1087.328 1087.741 1087.36 1087.64 Mm-hmm . 1087.64 IS1008c D MIE085 3 1087.984 1092.816 1088.0 1092.816 trendy , fancy , feels good , 1088.8 1090.11 1092.61 IS1008c D MIE085 3 1093.824 1096.24 1093.86 1096.07 uh with a display , 1096.07 IS1008c D MIE085 3 1097.232 1100.752 1097.25 1100.752 wood , designer wood , designer colours , we might've 1098.04 1098.86 1100.39 IS1008c C FIE073 2 1100.352 1119.762 1100.37 1119.59 You know , maybe what you could do is when somebody orders the device id you could send them like um a uh uh b some sort of a foam rubber um ball , and then they would squeeze it , and it would take the shape of their hand . 1100.51 1116.52 1117.63 1119.59 IS1008c B FIE038 1 1115.216 1116.79 1115.216 1116.66 Oh yeah . 1116.66 IS1008c B FIE038 1 1119.456 1123.114 1119.48 1123.114 Yeah , so it's really molded to to your specific 1119.75 IS1008c C FIE073 2 1120.966 1129.12 1120.966 1129.12 To t an and then you would know like um what the geometry of their hands would be and uh - IS1008c D MIE085 3 1122.518 1122.878 1122.54 1122.74 Mm-hmm . 1122.74 IS1008c D MIE085 3 1129.248 1136.256 1129.34 1136.256 How hard they squeeze ? Resistance resistance , right . 1131.99 1133.69 1135.65 IS1008c C FIE073 2 1130.427 1134.232 1130.427 1133.99 Yes you'd know what kind of wood to get . 1133.99 IS1008c B FIE038 1 1136.512 1143.456 1136.53 1143.42 But th for that you'd also have to do sort of an average across families and things like that if unless everyone has their own personal remote . 1143.42 IS1008c C FIE073 2 1139.548 1142.704 1139.548 1142.67 That's right , that's right , you wouldn't wanna go too far down that . 1140.5 1140.87 1142.67 IS1008c C FIE073 2 1143.728 1149.072 1143.75 1149.072 Oh that that actually would uh increase the um the revenues we could expect , yeah . 1147.84 1149.02 IS1008c B FIE038 1 1146.517 1149.723 1146.63 1149.723 The sales , yeah . 1147.38 1149.39 IS1008c A MIO086 0 1147.399 1147.887 1147.58 1147.887 The - IS1008c A MIO086 0 1148.23 1148.448 1148.26 1148.41 Yeah . 1148.41 IS1008c A MIO086 0 1150.587 1151.072 1150.61 1151.04 I hope so . 1151.04 IS1008c D MIE085 3 1151.2 1159.248 1151.28 1159.248 No , but incorporating the three uh obviously it'd be something totally new on the market , totally different and from 1151.38 1156.32 IS1008c B FIE038 1 1155.92 1156.356 1155.94 1156.25 Yeah . 1156.25 IS1008c B FIE038 1 1158.687 1164.35 1158.72 1164.27 Well , already the customisability is a really good sort of new gimmick . 1158.85 1164.27 IS1008c D MIE085 3 1163.232 1176.88 1163.32 1176.82 Although , what it was it uh it was uh Nokia that came out with this changeable colours . Right , you take it apart , and put on another face , take it off and put on another face and then they sold millions , millions . 1163.53 1169.24 1169.61 1170.3 1171.17 1176.19 1176.82 IS1008c C FIE073 2 1168.992 1170.913 1169.03 1170.88 Mm-hmm . 1170.88 IS1008c B FIE038 1 1169.341 1169.687 1169.38 1169.65 Yeah . 1169.65 IS1008c B FIE038 1 1170.768 1171.186 1170.82 1171.11 Yeah . 1171.11 IS1008c C FIE073 2 1172.08 1173.376 1172.11 1173.23 Right , mm . 1172.89 1173.23 IS1008c B FIE038 1 1173.445 1175.968 1173.49 1175.93 And that took off , yeah , yeah . 1174.59 1175.74 1175.93 IS1008c D MIE085 3 1177.888 1186.592 1177.95 1186.56 So . So say with the f with the findings , with the research , easy to use something totally new . We have to come up with something totally new that is not on the market . 1179.25 1180.59 1181.4 1183.95 1186.56 IS1008c B FIE038 1 1183.765 1184.228 1183.84 1184.13 Mm-hmm . 1184.13 IS1008c C FIE073 2 1186.704 1198.848 1186.72 1198.81 We'd also have to wor um consider that uh who we were gonna get to make these custom cases in terms of manufacturing processes , we might wanna um learn about um labour laws . 1194.07 1198.81 IS1008c C FIE073 2 1199.984 1222.192 1200.0 1222.15 You know in different countries and stuff wher so we can do it cheap , but you don't wanna exploit uh labour in um third world countries . So actually you could turn it y turn around and say that you're uh par the reason the cost is high for the device is because um you're paying a a working wage to the person who made the device . 1203.79 1209.45 1222.15 IS1008c A MIO086 0 1208.966 1209.061 1208.966 1209.061 Yeah . 1209.061 IS1008c B FIE038 1 1222.752 1223.176 1222.79 1223.07 Mm-hmm . 1223.07 IS1008c A MIO086 0 1223.44 1236.75 1223.46 1236.68 Yeah , but we can get a production in , uh , countries like , uh , India yes , yes , countries like India or China or Malaysia , so you can go a better features and better price and you can sell more . 1223.58 1225.12 1226.82 1227.66 1228.27 1229.26 1229.83 1232.51 1236.68 IS1008c C FIE073 2 1228.096 1229.312 1228.12 1229.28 Cost of living is low . 1229.28 IS1008c A MIO086 0 1237.69 1238.112 1237.71 1238.112 So - IS1008c C FIE073 2 1241.488 1249.038 1241.488 1248.97 Good , well th that'd be something that manufacturing would have to um explore more and to where Mm-hmm . 1242.19 1248.97 IS1008c A MIO086 0 1244.583 1245.961 1244.6 1245.88 Yeah , yeah , so 1245.36 1245.56 IS1008c B FIE038 1 1246.722 1247.084 1246.74 1247.05 Mm yeah . 1247.05 IS1008c A MIO086 0 1246.959 1247.365 1246.98 1247.33 Yes . 1247.33 IS1008c D MIE085 3 1246.673 1249.488 1246.98 1249.45 Where w Where it would be manufactured is is - IS1008c A MIO086 0 1250.416 1250.595 1250.44 1250.595 So - IS1008c D MIE085 3 1250.768 1253.024 1250.84 1252.97 another step . We're here to design , 1251.82 1252.97 IS1008c A MIO086 0 1251.622 1252.181 1251.64 1252.181 Yeah , so 1251.82 IS1008c C FIE073 2 1251.731 1251.962 1251.75 1251.93 Yeah . 1251.93 IS1008c A MIO086 0 1252.96 1275.408 1252.96 1275.37 Yes uh , but uh that that we can that we can talk about the production later , okay , depends on the the quantity , okay . So we don't need to have our own uh fabric factory or something , so we can have a tie-up with who the do the fabric , okay , for the different uh electronics items , then we can have a business tie-up and to get to cut the cost , okay , to sell more . 1253.77 1257.33 1257.58 1259.17 1260.12 1263.65 1267.14 1267.53 1269.85 1274.11 1274.71 1275.37 IS1008c D MIE085 3 1254.18 1257.761 1254.2 1257.761 come up with a nice product . 1257.23 IS1008c B FIE038 1 1255.68 1256.016 1255.7 1255.96 Mm-hmm . 1255.96 IS1008c C FIE073 2 1259.648 1260.192 1259.67 1260.15 Mm-hmm . 1260.15 IS1008c A MIO086 0 1276.704 1288.624 1276.72 1288.59 So , but uh le let's decide first about the components concept and uh interface concept , okay , if is acceptable for both of you , what uh Ed was talking . 1277.33 1283.5 1283.78 1286.58 1288.59 IS1008c A MIO086 0 1290.624 1296.912 1290.68 1296.87 And your design whether you want with the display or without display or just a simple , so 1296.5 IS1008c B FIE038 1 1293.808 1294.176 1293.84 1294.14 Mm-hmm . 1294.14 IS1008c B FIE038 1 1298.458 1309.088 1298.458 1309.05 I think it depends , I mean I think it's a good idea , but we need to really think about how useful it's gonna be because theoretically with the T_V_ you already have a big display right in front of you . 1299.39 1300.81 1309.05 IS1008c A MIO086 0 1309.191 1309.342 1309.21 1309.31 Yeah . 1309.31 IS1008c C FIE073 2 1309.376 1309.872 1309.4 1309.83 Hmm . 1309.83 IS1008c B FIE038 1 1310.224 1316.336 1310.24 1316.28 So , if we're trying to keep costs down , then maybe sacrificing the display 1311.54 1314.15 IS1008c C FIE073 2 1316.816 1317.296 1316.84 1317.26 Hmm . 1317.26 IS1008c B FIE038 1 1318.16 1330.512 1318.18 1330.48 is a way to go . I mean it depends on how much putting a display costs and what it would be used for very specifically what it would be used for , 'cause if it's only used for one little thing , then putting in a big display case or a big display that's 1319.34 1325.7 1327.44 IS1008c C FIE073 2 1322.164 1322.48 1322.24 1322.43 Hmm . 1322.43 IS1008c C FIE073 2 1324.992 1325.76 1325.01 1325.73 Mm-hmm . 1325.73 IS1008c B FIE038 1 1331.76 1341.04 1331.78 1341.01 probably expensive just to do the training on the chip for the speech recognition or whatever , may not be the most cost-efficient way to go , but 1338.71 1340.8 IS1008c B FIE038 1 1342.336 1344.192 1342.36 1344.16 that's just sort of speculation , I mean . 1343.73 1344.16 IS1008c C FIE073 2 1345.124 1357.632 1345.124 1357.57 What do you think Ed ? Do you he liked the display in one of the concepts that you showed , um , do you know how much it costs , um , to to add a little display like this uh ? 1346.04 1351.24 1351.98 1353.46 1354.7 1357.57 IS1008c D MIE085 3 1357.024 1363.512 1357.27 1363.44 No . No no p spec It's 'cause we have to find out cost on it . 1358.18 1363.44 IS1008c C FIE073 2 1359.024 1361.088 1359.04 1361.04 Do you wanna take an action item to go find out ? 1361.04 IS1008c C FIE073 2 1363.824 1364.368 1363.85 1364.3 Okay . 1364.3 IS1008c C FIE073 2 1365.824 1368.299 1365.824 1368.18 Sorry about that . 1368.18 IS1008c D MIE085 3 1366.624 1376.172 1366.66 1376.11 Um , no that's no problem . I'm here for the pushing it after it's made . I will market it . Once we get a price on it then we can market it . 1367.3 1368.35 1371.56 1374.14 1376.11 IS1008c A MIO086 0 1371.028 1371.473 1371.08 1371.44 Yes . 1371.44 IS1008c C FIE073 2 1379.223 1383.529 1379.32 1383.529 So the the advanced chip on print is what um what we've - IS1008c C FIE073 2 1384.528 1399.184 1384.76 1399.09 we've deci we've determined and the uh engineering industrial design is the recommendation , and um I think we've kinda come to some agreement regarding um this concept of a wooden case . 1391.57 1399.09 IS1008c B FIE038 1 1399.264 1399.616 1399.29 1399.57 Mm-hmm . 1399.57 IS1008c C FIE073 2 1401.168 1402.72 1401.19 1402.72 A customisable and - IS1008c D MIE085 3 1402.672 1406.528 1402.83 1406.528 Nice beautiful mahogany red wooden case . 1405.77 IS1008c B FIE038 1 1404.24 1405.97 1404.26 1405.97 What about the buttons , would 1405.62 IS1008c B FIE038 1 1406.688 1408.416 1406.71 1408.416 Would the buttons be wood too , or 1407.91 IS1008c C FIE073 2 1409.136 1416.048 1409.2 1416.048 Uh I don't think so , no , I think they could be rubber like they are now , so you have that tactile experience of 1410.92 1411.21 1413.44 IS1008c A MIO086 0 1410.112 1410.944 1410.13 1410.89 I don't think so . 1410.89 IS1008c A MIO086 0 1412.272 1412.783 1412.29 1412.75 Yes . 1412.75 IS1008c A MIO086 0 1413.272 1413.659 1413.29 1413.62 Yes . 1413.62 IS1008c A MIO086 0 1414.169 1415.454 1414.19 1415.19 Don't looks nice uh . 1415.19 IS1008c A MIO086 0 1417.57 1439.312 1417.59 1439.26 Yeah , so uh what we'll do is , uh , we will stick with the the simple design for time being until uh th Ed find outs about the how much it's cost to the extra , in case we go for the display . Okay . So maybe what you can do is uh , both of you , you can come up with the the prototype , okay , the model . Okay ? 1417.72 1419.58 1420.07 1427.61 1429.76 1430.57 1432.74 1433.33 1437.19 1437.48 1438.88 1439.26 IS1008c B FIE038 1 1429.264 1429.6 1429.3 1429.56 Mm-hmm . 1429.56 IS1008c B FIE038 1 1438.013 1438.4 1438.03 1438.37 Okay . 1438.37 IS1008c B FIE038 1 1442.464 1442.988 1442.61 1442.88 Sure . 1442.88 IS1008c C FIE073 2 1450.56 1453.44 1450.58 1453.38 So um are we done with this meeting ? 1453.38 IS1008c A MIO086 0 1454.982 1467.424 1455.0 1467.26 Yeah , I hope , if is it okay if uh they will come up with the prototype design , okay . Then they can show you how it looks like , and then we can uh submit to the I will submit to the management . Okay ? 1455.33 1455.94 1460.2 1460.5 1462.21 1466.85 1467.26 IS1008c A MIO086 0 1468.471 1477.04 1468.49 1477.01 Then meantime you can come up with the price , how much it's cost as extra for uh the display . An and the marketing strategy , that's very important , okay . 1470.38 1473.76 1475.62 1476.59 1477.01 IS1008c C FIE073 2 1473.197 1474.686 1473.28 1474.59 And a marketing strategy . 1474.59 IS1008c D MIE085 3 1474.661 1484.464 1474.73 1483.78 And marketing strategy , thank you . Fired . 1475.83 1480.26 1483.78 IS1008c A MIO086 0 1477.923 1478.301 1478.0 1478.27 Yes . 1478.27 IS1008c A MIO086 0 1480.098 1480.68 1480.12 1480.68 How much you can - IS1008c A MIO086 0 1481.296 1483.232 1481.32 1483.2 how mu how much how much you can sell extra . 1483.2 IS1008c A MIO086 0 1484.304 1486.313 1484.32 1486.26 Of course you'll make money too , so it 1485.6 IS1008c A MIO086 0 1487.243 1489.92 1487.26 1489.89 it's not only pay-out , you make money too , your commission . 1488.12 1489.19 1489.89 IS1008c A MIO086 0 1492.618 1494.176 1492.64 1494.05 Okay , so , any questions ? 1492.87 1493.18 1494.05 IS1008c B FIE038 1 1496.0 1496.208 1496.03 1496.16 No . 1496.16 IS1008c A MIO086 0 1497.152 1505.488 1497.17 1504.96 So , by next meeting , so , please come up with the the prototype , okay , then uh , then we can proceed from there . 1497.48 1498.8 1499.47 1502.36 1502.9 1503.88 1504.96 IS1008c B FIE038 1 1505.936 1507.376 1505.98 1507.29 Okay . Mm-hmm . 1507.1 1507.29 IS1008c A MIO086 0 1506.608 1515.643 1506.74 1515.6 It's okay ? So thanks for all your uh efforts and coming for the meeting again , and see you soon then . Okay ? Thank you . 1507.84 1512.81 1514.82 1515.35 1515.6 IS1008c B FIE038 1 1514.28 1514.698 1514.37 1514.62 Okay . 1514.62 IS1008d B FIE073 1 30.572 32.23 30.61 31.95 I'm sorry to be late . 31.95 IS1008d A MIO086 0 30.672 35.344 30.73 35.2 Welcome back . Welcome back everybody . 32.96 35.2 IS1008d C FIE038 2 36.717 37.124 36.86 37.03 Yeah . 37.03 IS1008d C FIE038 2 37.702 39.377 38.19 39.28 Thanks . 39.28 IS1008d A MIO086 0 41.488 46.08 41.51 46.05 So this meeting agenda will be the detailed design meeting . 46.05 IS1008d A MIO086 0 47.984 48.848 48.0 48.81 And uh - IS1008d A MIO086 0 50.768 59.904 50.79 59.87 opening and uh P_M_s of the meet minutes , uh prototype presentation from uh Christine and uh Agnes . 54.14 59.87 IS1008d B FIE073 1 60.214 62.045 60.46 61.95 Agnes , yes . 61.3 61.95 IS1008d A MIO086 0 61.536 63.68 61.56 63.58 Yes and uh evaluation criteria . 63.58 IS1008d A MIO086 0 65.072 84.32 65.09 84.32 The finance , it's uh from my side , from the management , and uh production evaluation . Then uh closing . So we have forty minutes to discuss and uh finalise and close the product and project and to move further , okay , so 65.92 67.56 68.64 71.55 72.88 82.1 83.4 IS1008d A MIO086 0 88.896 94.24 88.92 94.12 Okay , let's talk about uh maybe first uh for the prototype . 89.24 94.12 IS1008d C FIE038 2 95.776 96.664 95.81 96.57 Mm , okay . 96.27 96.57 IS1008d A MIO086 0 96.672 97.632 96.69 97.632 So I handle to - IS1008d C FIE038 2 99.232 106.608 99.25 106.57 I've done a presentation , but it pretty much covers work that we've both done , so if I'm missing anything , Christine can just correct me . 100.11 102.54 104.73 106.57 IS1008d A MIO086 0 104.976 106.677 105.0 106.56 So shall I go to sorry . 106.56 IS1008d B FIE073 1 105.76 109.92 105.78 109.92 Uh thank you , so you did a PowerPoint presentation , good for you . 106.51 108.94 109.71 IS1008d A MIO086 0 107.408 107.632 107.43 107.6 Yep . 107.6 IS1008d A MIO086 0 107.954 108.589 108.15 108.49 S - IS1008d A MIO086 0 109.216 112.09 109.31 111.91 Okay , let's go to A_M_I_ . 109.87 111.91 IS1008d C FIE038 2 113.872 117.115 113.89 117.115 It's not the biggest PowerPoint presentation in the world , but 116.34 IS1008d A MIO086 0 118.385 119.936 118.385 119.936 So in two or three or - IS1008d C FIE038 2 119.856 120.128 119.88 120.06 Three . 120.06 IS1008d C FIE038 2 126.096 127.216 126.15 127.18 Um . 127.18 IS1008d C FIE038 2 128.544 131.12 128.544 131.09 No it's think it's the last one . 131.09 IS1008d D MIE085 3 128.672 129.152 128.69 129.09 Probably . 129.09 IS1008d D MIE085 3 130.688 133.151 130.71 133.05 Technical pa I would think . 133.05 IS1008d C FIE038 2 132.672 143.312 132.7 143.28 No , then this is the la yeah , that one , final design . It is named appropriately , you just couldn't see the name . Um okay , can I have the mouse ? 133.08 134.69 135.87 137.04 138.13 141.23 142.07 143.28 IS1008d D MIE085 3 134.577 135.039 134.7 134.92 Ha . 134.92 IS1008d A MIO086 0 136.607 136.944 136.76 136.9 Yeah . 136.9 IS1008d A MIO086 0 142.768 143.136 142.79 143.1 Yes . 143.1 IS1008d C FIE038 2 145.168 145.771 145.22 145.66 Thanks . 145.66 IS1008d C FIE038 2 147.824 149.2 147.84 149.02 Alright , so 148.17 IS1008d C FIE038 2 151.344 164.832 151.38 164.8 from when we were discussing specifying the case in the last meeting , we decided that we wanted an ergonomic shape , the material that we chose was wood , and uh the colour would be customisable , 'cause you can stain the wood whatever colour . 155.69 158.01 160.65 162.79 164.8 IS1008d C FIE038 2 165.84 183.44 165.9 183.41 Um , so in terms of function , you have to be able to turn the T_V_ on and off , volume and channel control , menu control , voice recognition control , and we've incorporated the L_C_D_ screen on the flip panel as part of the design , if we figure out it's too expensive , well then you just take it off . Um , so 167.14 168.9 170.86 172.0 172.66 174.42 178.95 180.45 182.51 183.05 IS1008d C FIE038 2 184.432 187.344 184.432 186.96 to unveil our lovely product . 186.96 IS1008d C FIE038 2 190.048 195.042 190.07 194.88 This is our remote control , with the flip panel as you can see . 193.29 194.88 IS1008d C FIE038 2 195.042 208.051 195.54 207.9 So if you lift up the panel , you can see the lovely yellow L_C_D_ display . Um , this is actually hard to do . The yellow button you have is the on off button , so it's really big , hard to miss . 197.67 201.35 202.49 203.88 206.22 206.95 207.9 IS1008d C FIE038 2 208.051 220.513 208.39 220.36 You have the the red um triangles are the toggles for changing the volume . So up volume up , down volume down . The green are the channel changing . 215.12 216.79 218.3 220.36 IS1008d C FIE038 2 220.513 223.929 220.513 223.87 S And it's one of those very light , very touchable displays . 222.51 223.87 IS1008d C FIE038 2 223.929 245.68 224.43 245.65 And then you have the numeric pad in the dark blue at the bottom , and on the right-hand side you have the access to the menu on the T_V_ , and on the left-hand side you have the the the ability to turn off the voice recognition . So this is pretty much what we had on the white board the last time . 228.96 234.83 242.41 245.65 IS1008d A MIO086 0 246.606 247.342 247.02 247.11 Mm-hmm . 247.11 IS1008d C FIE038 2 249.658 250.011 249.77 249.93 So . 249.93 IS1008d B FIE073 1 250.4 252.414 250.42 252.414 Um and uh I could - IS1008d C FIE038 2 251.437 265.376 251.437 265.34 Oh yes . Additional feature on the back is that you can have your own customised backing and I suppose you could do the same thing on the flip case on the front . So that you can really make this a highly highly customisable remote control . 253.29 261.85 265.34 IS1008d B FIE073 1 252.992 253.604 253.01 253.48 Yeah the d - IS1008d B FIE073 1 266.256 280.112 266.28 280.112 We haven't um uh specified where the speaker or the microphone will be placed . That depends on the uh s design of the circuit board inside and uh what room is left um 273.04 IS1008d C FIE038 2 279.971 280.383 279.99 280.24 Yeah . 280.24 IS1008d A MIO086 0 281.328 286.448 281.35 286.27 I think the microphone is on on the top , uh on the middle , the under the flip . 283.76 284.91 286.27 IS1008d B FIE073 1 283.952 284.896 283.97 284.84 Yes , okay . 284.49 284.84 IS1008d B FIE073 1 286.688 287.2 286.72 287.01 Uh-huh . 287.01 IS1008d A MIO086 0 288.016 295.341 288.04 295.341 So that will be the safe , so p any the chip it's not on the chip because you need to have microphone to 290.61 IS1008d B FIE073 1 294.848 297.232 294.87 297.15 No , I mean it depends on the design of the circuit board . 295.04 297.15 IS1008d A MIO086 0 297.328 297.728 297.35 297.69 Yes . 297.69 IS1008d C FIE038 2 298.0 305.856 298.02 305.82 But it shouldn't be under the flip either , because you can have the remote control closed , but you still might want to activate it by voice . 299.7 302.53 305.82 IS1008d A MIO086 0 303.874 305.183 303.874 305.183 Uh it's it's - IS1008d A MIO086 0 305.888 324.928 305.91 324.85 Yeah , but uh uh my opinion I think it's better under the flip because whenever you want to uh the talk , okay , so then you can speak then you can close it . But if you put it on the on the flip , okay , then uh technical I don't think it's uh feasible , 'cause most of the time you speak then it will be recognised . 306.06 312.61 312.9 315.61 317.55 317.9 322.17 324.85 IS1008d C FIE038 2 324.704 338.698 324.72 338.66 But if you've already got the remote control in your hand you need to open the flip to use the voice , why use the voice , why not just use your hand ? I mean the whole point of the voice is that if the remote control is sitting there and I'm too lazy to reach over and pick it up , I can just use my voice . 328.43 329.23 331.32 336.94 338.66 IS1008d B FIE073 1 338.256 343.968 338.28 343.93 Maybe I've got my hand in the popcorn bowl and I'm holding my cup of Coca-Cola in the other hand . 343.93 IS1008d C FIE038 2 344.576 348.776 344.6 348.776 Yeah . And you don't wanna let go of either one . 344.71 348.38 IS1008d D MIE085 3 345.448 350.192 345.49 350.14 I don't wanna say . Louder . Yeah . 347.02 349.9 350.14 IS1008d C FIE038 2 350.112 353.122 350.13 352.93 I mean it doesn't have to be on the flip , it can be on the side somewhere . 351.32 352.93 IS1008d D MIE085 3 352.192 353.41 352.21 353.25 Can also be on the side . 353.25 IS1008d A MIO086 0 352.849 355.57 352.87 355.35 Yeah , the sides maybe is good . So That's good idea . 353.09 354.25 355.35 IS1008d C FIE038 2 353.467 353.936 353.49 353.9 Yeah . 353.9 IS1008d B FIE073 1 354.944 355.456 354.97 355.41 Mm-hmm . 355.41 IS1008d C FIE038 2 354.975 358.685 355.22 358.685 So , I mean I can pass this around if anyone wants to 355.69 IS1008d A MIO086 0 357.056 358.848 357.08 358.8 Yes . So it's maybe good idea . 357.78 358.8 IS1008d B FIE073 1 359.296 362.556 359.32 362.556 Yeah , y better you pass it around with a napkin . 359.6 362.48 IS1008d D MIE085 3 361.584 372.288 361.584 372.25 No , because y you can easily put a microphone on the side that would have no problem would haven't been not be damaged or anything , and it'd be accessible all the time to voice . 364.94 370.07 372.25 IS1008d C FIE038 2 367.133 367.824 367.133 367.79 Yeah . 367.79 IS1008d A MIO086 0 367.758 368.222 367.78 368.18 Yes . 368.18 IS1008d A MIO086 0 370.23 371.412 370.33 370.89 Yeah . 370.89 IS1008d C FIE038 2 372.416 373.488 372.45 373.45 Yeah , exactly . 372.81 373.45 IS1008d D MIE085 3 375.808 376.048 375.9 376.01 Yeah . 376.01 IS1008d A MIO086 0 376.352 377.559 376.54 377.51 So it's maybe good idea . 377.51 IS1008d A MIO086 0 377.559 378.17 377.58 377.93 S s - IS1008d B FIE073 1 378.4 379.248 378.42 379.248 It's um - IS1008d D MIE085 3 379.968 381.184 379.99 381.15 Compliments to the artist . 381.15 IS1008d B FIE073 1 381.264 382.235 381.28 382.235 It's um - IS1008d B FIE073 1 383.168 386.208 383.19 386.208 You need to work on the weight a little bit . 386.09 IS1008d C FIE038 2 385.68 394.354 385.74 394.354 Yes . And maybe the shape of the buttons , the little egg shapes aren't the most economical , but 388.22 389.92 393.61 IS1008d D MIE085 3 384.989 386.912 385.82 386.81 Uh . 386.81 IS1008d A MIO086 0 386.288 388.128 386.9 388.128 Okay . S 387.13 IS1008d A MIO086 0 388.128 391.12 388.15 391.09 I'm fine , I'm satisfi I'm satisfied . 388.69 391.09 IS1008d B FIE073 1 391.44 394.501 391.44 394.27 We're glad you're satisfied . 394.27 IS1008d A MIO086 0 393.093 398.672 393.11 398.58 Of course it's it's it's looks more heo heavy , but I think when it's completely maybe it's a less weight . 395.62 398.58 IS1008d C FIE038 2 398.88 404.72 398.9 404.69 Yeah . I mean this is plasticene . There's only so much you can do . We could have possibly made it a lot thinner as well . 399.73 400.95 402.32 404.69 IS1008d A MIO086 0 400.943 401.46 401.06 401.43 Yes . 401.43 IS1008d C FIE038 2 405.316 406.384 405.316 406.384 But - IS1008d C FIE038 2 407.408 420.112 407.55 420.08 And part of the thing is m a lot of people say that they don't like something that's too light , because they don't feel like they have enough control over it . So I mean maybe this is excessively heavy , but I think it needs to have some weight , it needs to feel like you're still holding something . 411.35 413.93 416.33 417.76 420.08 IS1008d B FIE073 1 413.808 414.365 413.84 414.22 Mm-hmm . 414.22 IS1008d A MIO086 0 418.008 418.352 418.09 418.24 Yep . 418.24 IS1008d C FIE038 2 422.076 426.928 422.076 426.89 So that's pretty much it for our presentation actually . 426.89 IS1008d A MIO086 0 426.624 432.864 426.64 432.864 That's your uh prototype model ? Okay , that's good , thank you very much . So any comments or uh 428.67 429.0 429.7 431.24 IS1008d C FIE038 2 428.064 428.3 428.08 428.22 Yeah . 428.22 IS1008d D MIE085 3 433.904 447.248 433.93 447.248 Well , the prototype is is very well within the design and ideas that we've we've talked about on the previous meetings . Now it goes into this next phase as the financial uh marketing uh 434.05 441.0 IS1008d A MIO086 0 440.307 441.024 440.9 440.99 Okay . 440.99 IS1008d A MIO086 0 444.488 445.712 444.488 445.712 Yes , that uh 445.13 IS1008d A MIO086 0 447.024 448.784 447.2 448.784 So I'll come back to the - IS1008d A MIO086 0 463.53 474.752 463.71 474.7 So evaluation criteria , I think uh that will be good , so then let's come to the finance uh , I have some uh calculations which I made uh as for uh the budget . 465.11 466.89 469.72 474.7 IS1008d A MIO086 0 476.368 483.6 476.39 483.57 So here you can uh look like uh the energy and uh dynamo and uh kinetic and solar cells . 483.57 IS1008d A MIO086 0 484.752 491.28 484.79 491.23 Uh it's optional , somewhat optional and Ed wants the chip on print , that's what uh we were talking about that . 486.48 489.41 491.23 IS1008d A MIO086 0 492.474 501.792 492.57 501.76 So then we have sample sensor and sample speaker , then uh we have the wood material , then special colour and push button . 496.55 499.02 501.76 IS1008d A MIO086 0 502.848 513.568 502.87 513.53 So it's uh actually , our budget was uh twelve point five Euro , but uh it's coming to nine point nine five Euro , so we are under uh below the budget , okay , so still we are saving some money . 504.19 506.28 508.51 511.32 511.64 513.53 IS1008d A MIO086 0 516.288 517.856 516.31 517.65 I think it's a good figure . 517.65 IS1008d B FIE073 1 517.792 522.992 517.81 522.992 Yes , great I I'm surprised . Congratulations . 518.13 521.1 522.94 IS1008d A MIO086 0 521.966 522.959 521.966 522.86 Than thank you . 522.86 IS1008d D MIE085 3 522.912 527.673 522.93 527.673 Well we haven't come to mine yet , so we're gonna have a bit of difference of opinion , yes . 524.01 526.87 527.44 IS1008d B FIE073 1 524.521 529.248 524.61 529.21 Oh , okay . It's gonna cost a long way to c you know , cost a lot of money to market it , is it ? 524.8 525.14 527.62 528.96 529.21 IS1008d A MIO086 0 530.352 536.56 530.37 536.56 So maybe it's for some money we can utilise for our uh marketing , for the sales , okay , and uh 534.88 535.57 535.97 IS1008d D MIE085 3 539.488 546.272 539.488 545.86 Well , it just depends on if we're gonna add a o on this pr 539.94 IS1008d D MIE085 3 547.536 554.576 547.56 554.576 provisionary cost analysis , we do not have a L_C_ display . L_C_ display is gonna be very expensive , it's gonna be 549.83 552.05 554.23 IS1008d C FIE038 2 554.112 559.708 554.13 559.65 No we do , but it's not filled in . It's number thirty . Oh , yeah , yeah , you're right , sorry , yes . 554.96 556.01 557.38 557.64 558.07 558.37 558.74 559.26 559.65 IS1008d D MIE085 3 555.984 563.168 556.01 563.1 It's not it doesn't say . We don't have the price up there , okay , so if we add approximately two to three Euro per 556.73 558.47 559.71 IS1008d A MIO086 0 556.057 558.34 556.08 558.28 It's not . Yeah . Yeah . 557.01 558.06 558.28 IS1008d B FIE073 1 556.432 556.991 556.45 556.93 Thirty . 556.93 IS1008d A MIO086 0 558.34 559.69 558.46 559.41 Yeah . Yeah . 559.15 559.41 IS1008d B FIE073 1 558.72 559.102 558.87 558.96 Yeah . 558.96 IS1008d D MIE085 3 564.688 574.896 564.99 574.896 remote , now we're up around about twelve , twelve and a half as to what uh the company had initially uh requested . Um 566.05 567.82 574.56 IS1008d B FIE073 1 574.384 576.128 574.4 576.128 So that means we can put the uh - IS1008d D MIE085 3 576.288 585.792 576.32 585.75 Display in . But as far as production um I'm putting up a question because we're talking about profit also , and in mine you'll see uh 578.53 584.01 IS1008d B FIE073 1 576.767 578.404 576.82 578.11 the L_C_D_ in , yeah . 577.86 578.11 IS1008d D MIE085 3 586.832 597.593 586.9 596.58 the problem with uh our survey , the p the possibility that how many units can be sold , what percentage of the market , etcetera etcetera because that has to be taken in into consideration . 588.78 591.28 592.41 596.58 IS1008d D MIE085 3 597.593 604.544 597.71 604.544 Uh this is just production cost , it is not uh advertising cost , it's not transportation cost uh 599.45 601.65 IS1008d A MIO086 0 605.648 607.993 605.67 607.96 Yes , so still uh we have twelve point five Euro . 605.87 607.96 IS1008d D MIE085 3 606.915 621.43 606.915 621.16 And that will inflate quite a bit the cost of the uh the cost of the unit for the company . So to come up with what the company wants is a fifty million Pound profit , we're gonna have to go a long ways . 614.67 620.16 621.16 IS1008d A MIO086 0 609.312 609.984 609.4 609.95 Yes . 609.95 IS1008d A MIO086 0 611.679 612.083 611.73 612.083 Yeah , but 611.88 IS1008d A MIO086 0 613.024 614.524 613.04 614.12 Yes . Yep . 614.0 614.12 IS1008d C FIE038 2 613.946 614.476 614.14 614.41 Um-hmm . 614.41 IS1008d A MIO086 0 620.976 628.032 621.0 628.0 Yes . This we are talking about one unit , okay , so when it go into the quantity , okay , and the cost will come down . 621.5 623.18 623.57 625.58 626.31 628.0 IS1008d D MIE085 3 623.098 623.975 623.098 623.94 Yes . 623.94 IS1008d B FIE073 1 629.624 647.248 629.624 647.248 Although customisation , because this is being done , you know , the on on-order basis , it might be uh the the quantity won't m won't uh the circuit board will b you're right , would be in producing quantity , but the cost of the case would uh be fixed at the 631.76 633.49 634.12 636.47 642.05 643.33 IS1008d D MIE085 3 629.824 630.448 629.9 630.41 Slightly . 630.41 IS1008d A MIO086 0 636.064 636.407 636.08 636.25 Yeah . 636.25 IS1008d D MIE085 3 636.331 638.819 636.45 638.78 It's gonna be very hard to reduce . 638.78 IS1008d C FIE038 2 637.921 639.138 637.98 638.75 Yes . 638.75 IS1008d B FIE073 1 648.496 657.328 648.52 657.29 Uh you got some pretty cheap labour that can do this case for one Euro . That's really that's the cost of the material and lab wow , that's really outstanding . 653.15 655.67 657.29 IS1008d D MIE085 3 652.032 654.97 652.31 654.97 That's not bad . 654.9 IS1008d A MIO086 0 654.449 654.794 654.57 654.71 Yep . 654.71 IS1008d A MIO086 0 655.712 656.028 655.73 655.91 Yeah . 655.91 IS1008d A MIO086 0 659.747 684.88 659.747 684.73 But anyhow , still we are under control , okay , so what uh I will do is I will try to negotiate with the vendors , okay , to get uh the production cost less , okay , so then we can save some money , okay , to put into th our marketing or uh you know the promotions , whatever , okay , so that uh I will look after . I will speak to the management and how to get uh you know some more uh cost down . 660.62 662.13 662.35 665.6 665.9 669.39 669.76 672.24 672.43 675.78 676.63 677.54 679.72 684.73 IS1008d D MIE085 3 690.016 692.464 690.04 692.41 If we can go to to my display . 692.41 IS1008d D MIE085 3 693.552 698.032 693.58 697.9 And we'll come back to yours just to give everybody an idea of the market . 697.9 IS1008d A MIO086 0 695.024 695.456 695.13 695.42 Yes . 695.42 IS1008d D MIE085 3 701.488 705.92 701.51 705.92 So now I'm gonna scare everybody out of this project . 705.38 IS1008d D MIE085 3 708.416 712.112 708.44 712.08 If I'm still here . Yep . 711.86 712.08 IS1008d A MIO086 0 710.864 711.936 710.92 711.68 You're in four ? 711.68 IS1008d D MIE085 3 713.249 717.568 713.49 717.3 The four gives me it's gotta be uh TrendWatch . 717.3 IS1008d A MIO086 0 715.808 716.605 715.83 716.56 TrendWatch . 716.56 IS1008d B FIE073 1 717.44 719.136 717.46 719.1 Is this the same one you did before ? 719.1 IS1008d D MIE085 3 719.904 720.144 719.92 720.11 No . 720.11 IS1008d B FIE073 1 721.04 721.536 721.09 721.49 Okay . 721.49 IS1008d D MIE085 3 722.56 728.144 722.59 728.09 It shouldn't be if it's not it's not the right one . No , no we g no , that's the same one . You have to go back and find another one . 725.02 725.37 726.14 726.76 728.09 IS1008d C FIE038 2 722.946 726.514 723.21 726.28 That's no , I think it's the same one . 725.3 726.28 IS1008d D MIE085 3 733.648 735.36 733.83 735.33 Whatever name it popped up under . 735.33 IS1008d D MIE085 3 736.912 741.184 736.95 741.15 Uh functional , try functional , it might not be it either , but we'll see . 738.81 739.49 740.43 741.15 IS1008d C FIE038 2 736.934 738.07 737.08 737.97 Functional . 737.97 IS1008d C FIE038 2 742.432 743.784 742.47 743.784 It looks like it , there's 743.1 IS1008d D MIE085 3 744.528 765.008 744.55 764.97 Yep , that's it . So we'll go screen by screen . Although since uh we need to have some type of idea on a market uh we had independent study that says it this this market has an availability to absorb eight mi eight million units per year . Okay ? Our internal company evaluation puts it between eight to nine million which is approximately the same as the independent study . 744.81 745.38 747.33 758.01 759.19 764.97 IS1008d C FIE038 2 745.005 745.409 745.03 745.37 S Yeah . 745.37 IS1008d A MIO086 0 746.236 746.86 746.49 746.76 Okay . 746.76 IS1008d A MIO086 0 765.376 766.367 765.48 766.367 Yep . 766.27 IS1008d D MIE085 3 766.032 770.464 766.11 770.43 So if we continue , we'll look at the findings . Next screen . 767.97 769.76 770.43 IS1008d D MIE085 3 773.12 781.488 773.12 781.44 Which means that uh if we have a target of two million would the company has to take twenty five percent of the market in the first year , which is actually a tremendous amount . 780.11 781.44 IS1008d A MIO086 0 779.648 780.0 779.68 779.96 Mm-hmm . 779.96 IS1008d B FIE073 1 781.44 782.927 781.44 782.927 Yeah , no kidding . 781.87 782.74 IS1008d D MIE085 3 782.96 783.936 783.0 783.83 No kidding , yeah . 783.58 783.83 IS1008d B FIE073 1 784.016 786.336 784.11 786.12 Mayb maybe they already expected something . 786.12 IS1008d D MIE085 3 785.616 808.325 785.64 808.17 So , if we put an inflated price of fifty Euro at a production cost that cannot exceed twenty-five Euro , okay , we're already in that that price , okay , with transport , promotion , labour , because we hav gi included the promotion in the cost , transport for the material to the stores or whatever how however we're gonna break this down between our our retailers . 786.25 792.96 793.19 795.63 796.0 796.97 797.78 798.08 801.57 808.17 IS1008d A MIO086 0 794.928 795.456 794.95 795.42 Yes . 795.42 IS1008d C FIE038 2 801.408 801.718 801.46 801.68 Um-hmm . 801.68 IS1008d D MIE085 3 808.325 819.648 808.96 819.6 Twenty-five percent of the market to get to two million units . At two million units , we have to have a profit of twenty-five Euro per unit to get to the fifty million unit Eu Euro profit . Okay ? 812.22 813.11 819.1 819.6 IS1008d A MIO086 0 816.91 817.64 817.0 817.47 Mm-hmm . 817.47 IS1008d A MIO086 0 818.547 818.858 818.65 818.82 Yep . 818.82 IS1008d D MIE085 3 820.768 839.873 821.08 839.47 So , obviously we w w I just did a run down the evaluation of the form , the fan uh the fancy stylishness of the of the unit , the ease of use , speech recognition , cost , we've gone through these . Now , the company must evaluate the feasibility of being able to take enough of the market to justify in production . 821.81 825.46 828.5 829.61 831.14 831.7 832.58 832.82 839.47 IS1008d D MIE085 3 839.873 856.256 840.59 856.22 Or we project this over two years , but being that the market changes very very quickly , maybe there's no more interest in buying this thing in eighteen months from now . So , now we have to come up with a decision . Can the company sell two million units ? Can it sell it for fifty Euros ? 843.2 845.42 848.95 849.81 851.38 853.68 856.22 IS1008d A MIO086 0 845.414 845.825 845.45 845.79 Yes . 845.79 IS1008d A MIO086 0 848.304 848.674 848.33 848.49 Yep . 848.49 IS1008d A MIO086 0 849.368 850.297 849.42 850.21 Of course . 850.21 IS1008d C FIE038 2 849.568 849.872 849.59 849.84 Mm . 849.84 IS1008d A MIO086 0 853.376 853.584 853.4 853.55 Yep . 853.55 IS1008d B FIE073 1 854.958 893.296 855.18 893.22 Could could I go to findings ? Uh uh um I would uh like to explore the possibility of using um alternative um delivery and sales channel which would be um to use the internet for promotion and ordering and then to drop-ship the p product to the customer's residence . That way you have no storage , you have no um you do have transportation , still have the labour cost , but you don't have the transport to the uh point of sale . The point of sale is online . 858.64 880.12 882.1 884.72 886.21 891.16 893.22 IS1008d A MIO086 0 855.788 856.386 855.81 856.14 Yep . 856.14 IS1008d C FIE038 2 872.408 874.653 872.408 874.55 I was thinking the same thing , yeah . 874.22 874.55 IS1008d A MIO086 0 872.832 873.322 872.86 873.29 Yes . 873.29 IS1008d C FIE038 2 878.557 879.458 878.72 879.41 Directly . 879.41 IS1008d C FIE038 2 884.544 884.912 884.57 884.88 Um-hmm . 884.88 IS1008d A MIO086 0 890.832 891.32 890.85 891.27 Yes . 891.27 IS1008d C FIE038 2 891.12 891.513 891.14 891.44 Yeah . 891.44 IS1008d A MIO086 0 892.368 893.416 892.39 893.27 To the agents . 893.27 IS1008d C FIE038 2 894.048 901.296 894.08 901.12 Yeah . You can do a shipping centre somewhere , or strategically place shipping centres to minimise distance costs . 894.5 896.5 901.12 IS1008d B FIE073 1 898.496 904.16 898.53 904.12 Right , like Amazon . In fact , we should sell through Amazon , don't you think ? Or eBay , yeah . 899.28 900.18 900.71 901.97 903.08 903.72 904.12 IS1008d A MIO086 0 900.706 901.126 900.73 901.09 Yes . 901.09 IS1008d A MIO086 0 902.173 903.099 902.19 903.099 Or eBay , or 902.73 IS1008d A MIO086 0 903.735 904.535 903.82 904.34 Yes . 904.34 IS1008d C FIE038 2 904.16 904.629 904.18 904.46 Yeah . 904.46 IS1008d B FIE073 1 906.224 909.984 906.38 909.984 There's an idea . Going with um 907.13 IS1008d A MIO086 0 907.256 908.417 907.28 908.19 Yeah , that's a good idea . 907.43 908.19 IS1008d A MIO086 0 909.52 911.168 909.54 911.168 To impro more profit and uh - IS1008d D MIE085 3 910.296 914.768 910.53 914.7 S Upscale technology . Well . 914.46 914.7 IS1008d A MIO086 0 911.663 912.538 911.68 912.5 Yeah , yes . 912.29 912.5 IS1008d B FIE073 1 912.56 917.568 912.58 917.568 Ah , we we're do you know , selling a unique product uh . 912.94 913.73 917.31 IS1008d C FIE038 2 918.576 940.432 918.6 940.432 That actually makes more sense if we're gonna make it so highly customisable , 'cause on the web people can look at the different options they have , see maybe what other people have done , what the range of possibility as , whereas if you're in a store , you can't unless you're a highly imaginative person , you may not really know what it is you want , whereas on the web , if you have a bunch of pictures , it can sort of trigger ideas and 921.66 924.79 927.38 929.21 931.17 934.16 937.1 937.77 938.85 IS1008d B FIE073 1 927.584 928.32 927.6 928.29 Mm . 928.29 IS1008d D MIE085 3 928.432 930.304 928.5 930.25 There are several companies that have gone that way . 930.25 IS1008d B FIE073 1 931.072 931.472 931.1 931.44 Mm . 931.44 IS1008d B FIE073 1 937.792 938.624 938.3 938.59 Mm-hmm . 938.59 IS1008d B FIE073 1 940.784 948.988 940.81 948.94 And you can even have an a movie that you can rotate the object and look at the di the only thing that you're missing really is the weight . 948.94 IS1008d C FIE038 2 945.85 946.304 945.94 946.27 Yeah . 946.27 IS1008d C FIE038 2 948.102 949.504 948.25 949.4 The weight and feel . 949.4 IS1008d D MIE085 3 948.598 951.184 948.66 951.184 Weight , the feel of the product , but 949.2 950.69 IS1008d B FIE073 1 950.08 950.593 950.11 950.36 Mm . 950.36 IS1008d C FIE038 2 950.127 950.59 950.24 950.47 Yeah . 950.47 IS1008d B FIE073 1 951.568 954.96 951.59 954.93 We're getting used to that . It's not quite like trying on a shoe , but 952.58 954.72 IS1008d B FIE073 1 956.576 960.996 956.6 960.96 people are getting used to buying things online that they can't touch before buying . 960.96 IS1008d C FIE038 2 956.688 957.14 956.77 957.11 Yeah . 957.11 IS1008d C FIE038 2 960.016 960.304 960.04 960.27 Yeah . 960.27 IS1008d D MIE085 3 960.256 968.428 960.34 968.428 There are several that have gone through with the watches , too . You can customise a watch , you can see how it is at the f at the end of the production , you can change it uh 962.71 962.87 964.2 966.67 IS1008d C FIE038 2 965.382 966.089 965.48 966.03 Mm-hmm . 966.03 IS1008d B FIE073 1 965.737 967.544 965.737 967.43 Uh-huh . 967.43 IS1008d D MIE085 3 968.428 971.128 968.73 970.94 There's a lot of online that's that is doing this now . 970.94 IS1008d C FIE038 2 970.17 970.65 970.19 970.62 Yes . 970.62 IS1008d D MIE085 3 971.128 985.699 971.23 985.45 And when you're rotating , you'll look behind and look this way uh it's possible to do with this , maybe there's a possibility of selling more than two million units in one year , which could you know , feasibili feasibility uh lower the price of the unit . 972.15 976.1 979.22 981.54 985.45 IS1008d A MIO086 0 979.24 979.641 979.29 979.49 Yeah . 979.49 IS1008d C FIE038 2 985.264 985.655 985.3 985.56 Mm-hmm . 985.56 IS1008d A MIO086 0 987.715 988.272 987.8 988.24 We can . 988.24 IS1008d B FIE073 1 988.56 988.924 988.58 988.89 Great . 988.89 IS1008d A MIO086 0 989.904 1001.952 989.94 1001.92 I don't think that's uh not possible , it's uh okay then , l uh let's wait for the production , okay , then uh you can evaluate the product , so how it looks like technically and uh how it look like uh the real . 992.0 993.69 995.27 995.58 997.8 1001.92 IS1008d C FIE038 2 1002.64 1004.59 1002.72 1004.43 What turnaround time do we have ? 1004.43 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1004.679 1005.109 1004.81 1004.95 T - IS1008d C FIE038 2 1006.112 1010.368 1006.13 1010.26 'Cause I mean production evaluation can be very very quick or very very long . 1010.26 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1007.856 1008.316 1007.88 1008.316 Oh but - IS1008d A MIO086 0 1009.888 1018.032 1009.91 1018.0 Yes it's it's very quick , of course . It will uh come back in two weeks , okay , it will be ready in two weeks . For evaluation , okay . 1011.35 1011.75 1014.36 1014.86 1016.81 1017.57 1018.0 IS1008d B FIE073 1 1016.224 1016.992 1016.25 1016.96 Works for me . 1016.96 IS1008d B FIE073 1 1019.856 1022.996 1019.96 1022.996 Prototypes , you mean . In um 1020.76 1021.85 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1021.488 1024.064 1021.51 1024.02 Yes , the prototype uh prototype product evaluation . 1021.82 1024.02 IS1008d B FIE073 1 1024.08 1031.536 1024.1 1031.5 We probably should do some market tests uh once we have the prototypes and do some orders and things like that and test-market it . 1031.5 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1026.043 1026.72 1026.07 1026.61 Yes . 1026.61 IS1008d D MIE085 3 1027.426 1028.469 1027.49 1028.38 Well , obviously . 1027.75 1028.38 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1027.862 1030.199 1027.88 1029.96 Yes . Yes . 1029.53 1029.96 IS1008d C FIE038 2 1028.638 1029.034 1028.66 1028.94 Yeah . 1028.94 IS1008d D MIE085 3 1031.536 1036.128 1031.58 1036.128 Mm that'd have to be thrown out on the market for people to get an idea , to see get get their 1034.35 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1031.567 1031.978 1031.79 1031.88 Yeah . 1031.88 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1034.372 1037.265 1034.39 1037.23 So you can take a minimum two weeks to a maximum four weeks . 1037.23 IS1008d C FIE038 2 1035.047 1035.518 1035.09 1035.48 Mm-hmm . 1035.48 IS1008d C FIE038 2 1037.232 1046.826 1037.25 1046.72 Think minimum two weeks if we're gonna develop prototypes and then try to take them to different places and see how people use it's not a trivial task . 1046.72 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1038.057 1038.423 1038.09 1038.28 Yeah . 1038.28 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1046.416 1053.53 1046.44 1053.32 Yeah , because we we are not going to do it in uh our factory , okay , so we can give it a product evalua Yes , yes . 1046.55 1049.19 1049.48 1052.81 1053.32 IS1008d C FIE038 2 1049.904 1053.242 1049.92 1053.242 No no . We definitely shouldn't do it in our factory . 1050.79 1053.04 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1054.074 1058.912 1054.21 1058.88 So we'll do it in the other place , and I don't think it's take more than four weeks time . 1056.73 1058.88 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1061.488 1062.1 1061.53 1062.1 Or uh - IS1008d A MIO086 0 1063.872 1079.376 1064.03 1079.32 Okay , so then the real production we will start once we product evaluation , okay , then uh it's approve from uh the technical team and uh your team , okay , uh from the management , then we can launch in the market . 1064.29 1068.74 1069.07 1075.59 1076.58 1077.73 1079.32 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1081.728 1081.953 1081.75 1081.9 Hm ? 1081.9 IS1008d B FIE073 1 1082.16 1083.456 1082.2 1083.4 Any outstanding ? 1083.4 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1083.586 1089.272 1083.73 1088.95 S Any any other uh questions or uh comments to be discuss ? 1088.95 IS1008d B FIE073 1 1091.504 1093.279 1091.53 1093.06 No , I'm go ahead . 1091.84 1093.06 IS1008d C FIE038 2 1091.555 1092.119 1091.58 1092.06 What ab - IS1008d D MIE085 3 1092.128 1093.952 1092.25 1093.87 I think we pretty much covered everything . 1093.87 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1094.064 1095.566 1094.08 1095.566 Okay , so then uh 1094.48 IS1008d B FIE073 1 1094.944 1095.92 1094.96 1095.89 Did you have something ? 1095.89 IS1008d C FIE038 2 1095.568 1106.944 1095.568 1106.91 Well I was just wondering about if we're gonna do a product evaluation then what about time for redesign if the users come back and tell us no this is bad , this is bad , we want this done differently . 1105.04 1105.62 1106.91 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1108.976 1121.44 1109.0 1121.4 Okay uh , let's take like this . Let's proceed with this model , okay , for the for the marketing direction , okay . So no more changes will be made , okay , in this the basic design . 1110.42 1111.45 1112.85 1113.21 1115.79 1116.2 1118.14 1119.16 1121.4 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1122.528 1131.712 1122.55 1131.57 Okay ? So we will introduce m this model and uh let's introduce in the market and let's take the feedback from the customers , then we can uh go for the 1123.32 1128.95 IS1008d B FIE073 1 1132.224 1133.308 1132.24 1133.27 Second generation . 1133.27 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1132.752 1133.872 1132.77 1133.8 second generation . 1133.8 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1134.864 1139.669 1134.89 1139.47 Okay . There's no end , there's not limit . Every every custom 1135.78 1136.61 1138.32 IS1008d C FIE038 2 1137.696 1144.755 1137.72 1144.62 The problem is there might not be a second generation if the first generation flops for some silly reason that we haven't thought of . 1144.62 IS1008d D MIE085 3 1140.496 1141.408 1140.52 1141.37 Well , then it may not be . 1140.67 1141.37 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1142.693 1143.024 1142.71 1142.85 Okay . 1142.85 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1143.024 1150.72 1143.06 1150.65 Well , every customer , okay , they have their own ideas , they have their own test , okay , so there's no end , there's no limit . 1143.22 1144.17 1144.56 1146.2 1147.85 1148.21 1149.94 1150.65 IS1008d D MIE085 3 1143.963 1147.437 1144.27 1147.437 Like people don't like wood . 1147.14 IS1008d C FIE038 2 1152.8 1165.628 1152.82 1165.53 No , but there's a difference between releasing a product that has been minimally tested and fine-tuned to suit a general range of requirements versus releasing a product that we think will work but we don't really have anything to back it up . 1153.07 1165.53 IS1008d D MIE085 3 1164.301 1165.824 1164.301 1165.71 very specific . 1165.71 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1165.856 1170.845 1165.88 1170.54 Yeah , so that's the reason you are here for uh the design , okay , I hope you made a good design . 1166.05 1168.58 1168.88 1170.54 IS1008d C FIE038 2 1169.6 1181.6 1169.62 1181.56 Yes , but I'm not everybody . I mean the whole point of user evaluation is to see what real people need . We have our own motivations in mind , we have our own ideas in mind , but that doesn't mean that that's what's gonna sell . 1169.85 1172.0 1176.21 1178.37 1179.57 1181.56 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1181.524 1198.128 1181.524 1197.97 Yeah , but uh see , we ought to take a few considerations , okay , one is the price consideration , one is future consideration , okay , like uh you can eat uh you can all eat more chi I can eat more chilli , okay , so i it's a depends on the individual taste , you know , so we have we have to balance somewhere . 1181.97 1182.73 1184.87 1185.08 1186.39 1187.71 1188.04 1191.81 1192.64 1195.63 1195.84 1197.97 IS1008d C FIE038 2 1198.912 1213.552 1198.93 1213.552 Yeah , of course . I'm just trying to point out that I think that your evaluation and redesign turnaround time is too short well you have no redesign not you personally , but in the project we have no redesign time and 1199.1 1199.57 1209.32 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1209.632 1210.098 1209.68 1209.95 Yes . 1209.95 IS1008d B FIE073 1 1210.288 1213.104 1210.32 1213.05 Our project doesn't um - IS1008d A MIO086 0 1210.991 1211.589 1211.01 1211.1 Yeah . 1211.1 IS1008d B FIE073 1 1214.32 1221.072 1214.34 1221.04 Ed , d do you know what season of the year or time of the year is the most important for T_V_ remote control sales ? 1214.86 1221.04 IS1008d D MIE085 3 1220.683 1221.382 1221.0 1221.22 Hmm . 1221.22 IS1008d B FIE073 1 1222.56 1227.296 1222.58 1227.18 Would it be the Christmas season by any chance ? Sports season . 1225.68 1227.18 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1224.672 1225.68 1224.69 1225.63 The sports time . 1225.63 IS1008d D MIE085 3 1227.968 1238.64 1228.03 1238.38 Right before the Eur the World Cup . World soccer . World Cup soccer , they need those things that they have their hands g occupied and they need to be able to talk to the con remote control . 1230.56 1232.02 1232.88 1238.38 IS1008d B FIE073 1 1228.339 1229.786 1228.46 1229.61 Which sport season ? 1229.61 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1230.247 1230.929 1230.27 1230.88 Football . 1230.88 IS1008d B FIE073 1 1230.474 1232.463 1230.84 1232.43 So so - IS1008d C FIE038 2 1230.896 1232.256 1230.92 1232.256 Yeah . 1231.66 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1233.56 1234.534 1233.7 1234.39 Football . 1234.39 IS1008d B FIE073 1 1234.39 1235.896 1234.47 1235.896 maybe what - IS1008d B FIE073 1 1238.576 1258.25 1238.62 1257.77 So I think what we need to do is perhaps to synchronise the final the the launch of a user-tested device with some special event . And and then um so that gives us a little more time perhaps then we anticipated , because I don't know when the World Cup is , but I'm sure there's gonna be one . 1247.78 1253.53 1255.89 1257.77 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1244.67 1245.107 1244.74 1245.07 Yes . 1245.07 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1247.227 1247.713 1247.31 1247.6 Yes . 1247.6 IS1008d C FIE038 2 1247.408 1248.768 1247.43 1248.53 Yeah , that's a good idea . 1247.67 1248.53 IS1008d D MIE085 3 1257.057 1259.148 1257.057 1258.99 Or any major sports . 1258.99 IS1008d B FIE073 1 1259.232 1284.96 1259.29 1284.96 Or another m major sports event . Probably not the um the football games coming up the end of January . I think that might be a little too aggressive um , but , so , I'm just ig uh pointing out a uh a strategy to uh do some additional user testing pri and then to launch um at a a major sports event or uh perhaps to uh also 1261.31 1265.33 1268.06 1269.21 1269.63 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1267.104 1267.505 1267.12 1267.36 Yes . 1267.36 IS1008d C FIE038 2 1267.28 1267.552 1267.3 1267.52 Yeah . 1267.52 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1276.946 1277.78 1277.09 1277.6 Research . 1277.6 IS1008d C FIE038 2 1277.058 1277.538 1277.25 1277.5 Mm-hmm . 1277.5 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1282.063 1282.59 1282.2 1282.47 Yep . 1282.47 IS1008d C FIE038 2 1283.758 1286.48 1283.758 1286.17 That's actually good place to advertise it too . 1286.17 IS1008d B FIE073 1 1286.544 1308.256 1286.56 1308.22 And to work with motion pictures . There might be some motion pictures that are coming out um that are coming out on D_V_D_ that uh they need to have a m special remote control to work with it , so we could maybe work out a campaign with uh with Sony Pictures for example . Maybe some management has got uh relationships there we can leverage . 1288.24 1298.87 1303.97 1308.22 IS1008d C FIE038 2 1287.414 1287.801 1287.43 1287.74 Yeah . 1287.74 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1303.079 1303.626 1303.16 1303.58 Yes . 1303.58 IS1008d C FIE038 2 1304.155 1304.618 1304.18 1304.45 Mm-hmm . 1304.45 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1308.208 1312.448 1308.23 1312.38 Yes , the that of course uh I will convince the management to do that , okay . 1308.48 1312.12 1312.38 IS1008d B FIE073 1 1312.24 1315.68 1312.24 1315.68 That's great . 1315.55 IS1008d C FIE038 2 1316.784 1330.368 1316.81 1330.33 It's just something to to keep in mind , 'cause it's really really important . A lot of products have gone out there without being properly user-tested and completely flopped , when in fact it gets re-released a few years down the line with proper testing and it takes off like crazy . 1318.44 1319.96 1324.68 1330.33 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1319.054 1321.376 1319.054 1321.07 Sure , sure , yes . 1319.93 1320.8 1321.07 IS1008d B FIE073 1 1330.816 1367.2 1330.84 1367.17 Disposable diapers is an example of that in fact . Yes , it is one of the first consumer products that was launched about thirty years that was a disposable consumer product , and uh people the market hadn't really gotten on to the concept that you could use something and then throw it away , 'cause it wasn't uh but then when they re-launched them thirty years later , they were virtually the same design , but people had gotten the throw-away , you know , paper cups and napki y all kinds of things that they hadn't um so , you're right , timing is very important , but I think we've got a good product . 1334.16 1335.01 1342.81 1349.94 1353.72 1355.9 1357.43 1357.85 1363.63 1363.99 1365.62 1367.17 IS1008d C FIE038 2 1333.056 1335.864 1333.056 1335.864 Really ? That I didn't know . 1334.7 1335.81 IS1008d C FIE038 2 1349.792 1350.277 1349.82 1350.14 Mm-hmm . 1350.14 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1355.798 1356.572 1355.798 1356.572 . 1356.572 IS1008d C FIE038 2 1363.248 1363.634 1363.27 1363.57 Yeah . 1363.57 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1365.324 1365.619 1365.43 1365.58 Yeah . 1365.58 IS1008d C FIE038 2 1367.52 1367.758 1367.54 1367.67 Yeah . 1367.67 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1367.632 1375.077 1367.66 1374.73 That's the reason Ed is here . I think he can promote the the brand value and the product value . Yes . 1369.01 1374.33 1374.73 IS1008d B FIE073 1 1369.072 1369.742 1369.09 1369.69 That's right . 1369.69 IS1008d B FIE073 1 1373.2 1376.471 1373.23 1376.471 It's gonna be very important to the company . 1376.12 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1377.568 1380.544 1377.59 1380.4 We are behind the scene and he is the front screen , so . 1380.11 1380.4 IS1008d C FIE038 2 1380.512 1380.704 1380.53 1380.67 Yep . 1380.67 IS1008d D MIE085 3 1381.584 1388.544 1381.69 1388.544 Yeah , I'm the one who takes the heat . If it's a flop , it's the marketer . 1381.8 1385.76 1386.76 1387.69 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1382.128 1383.27 1382.15 1383.12 He's on the big screen . 1383.12 IS1008d C FIE038 2 1382.912 1389.264 1382.912 1389.264 Exactly . 1384.77 IS1008d B FIE073 1 1384.32 1386.009 1384.32 1385.89 Good luck , Ed . 1385.56 1385.89 IS1008d B FIE073 1 1388.464 1394.976 1388.464 1394.93 You look very relaxed , considering h you know , the uh the weight on your shoulders , yeah . 1390.63 1392.02 1394.59 1394.93 IS1008d D MIE085 3 1388.544 1395.632 1388.544 1395.632 Yes . Yes . Stress . 1392.07 1392.87 1394.95 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1396.397 1418.666 1396.42 1418.63 Okay , so then uh let's come to the closing and uh are the costs within the budget and uh is the product evaluated , okay , so that will uh come soon . Okay for uh but our time being , so thanks for all your efforts and great work and uh great design and uh let's leave it to the Ed for later for once production is 1396.81 1405.09 1405.44 1407.98 1409.86 IS1008d D MIE085 3 1399.724 1401.755 1399.85 1401.755 Celebration . 1400.78 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1419.488 1426.416 1419.51 1426.37 over and the meantime let's celebrate . So let's meet up uh this evening to hang up for some party . 1422.47 1426.37 IS1008d B FIE073 1 1428.704 1431.92 1429.08 1431.89 Sounds good . Thank you . Nice working with you . 1430.13 1430.86 1431.89 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1429.856 1430.427 1429.92 1430.18 'S good . 1430.18 IS1008d D MIE085 3 1429.99 1431.168 1429.99 1430.9 Very good . 1430.9 IS1008d C FIE038 2 1430.001 1430.422 1430.02 1430.33 Okay . 1430.33 IS1008d D MIE085 3 1431.968 1440.576 1431.99 1438.86 Thank you very much . Bye-bye . Yep , okay , see you later on . 1436.47 1437.42 1437.85 1438.26 1440.42 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1432.8 1435.264 1433.0 1435.16 Thank you . Thank you again for all . 1434.12 1435.16 IS1008d C FIE038 2 1434.083 1434.613 1434.11 1434.43 Thanks . 1434.43 IS1008d C FIE038 2 1435.696 1438.731 1435.696 1438.57 Bye . 1438.57 IS1008d A MIO086 0 1436.368 1437.838 1436.39 1437.72 And see you in the evening for drinks . 1437.72 IS1009a A FIE088 0 54.928 60.88 54.95 60.85 Okay . Everybody ready ? Uh I think the first thing we do is introduce ourselves 55.86 57.69 IS1009a D FIO089 3 55.68 56.102 55.7 56.03 Okay . 56.03 IS1009a C FIO084 2 56.864 57.088 56.9 57.04 Yeah . 57.04 IS1009a D FIO089 3 57.232 57.744 57.25 57.7 I think so . 57.7 IS1009a D FIO089 3 61.312 62.637 61.54 62.57 Yeah , that's a good plan . 61.66 62.57 IS1009a A FIE088 0 61.984 67.328 62.0 67.29 and everybody's name and what your function is ? So maybe we start with you ? 65.47 67.29 IS1009a B FIO087 1 66.608 80.88 66.63 80.83 Okay . Yeah , my name is Francina . And I'm uh an user interface my role is uh the main responsibility is user interface . And my role is to design uh a television remote control . 67.39 67.55 69.09 76.61 80.83 IS1009a A FIE088 0 76.048 76.528 76.08 76.43 Mm-hmm . 76.43 IS1009a A FIE088 0 81.008 82.192 81.04 82.05 Mm-hmm . Okay . 81.69 82.05 IS1009a D FIO089 3 83.024 86.976 83.39 86.94 And I'm a marketing person . I wanna figure out how to sell them . 85.33 86.94 IS1009a A FIE088 0 87.424 88.624 87.49 88.59 Mm-hmm . And your name is ? 87.98 88.59 IS1009a D FIO089 3 88.688 89.728 88.82 89.69 My name is Eileen . 89.69 IS1009a A FIE088 0 90.16 90.576 90.21 90.52 Okay . 90.52 IS1009a C FIO084 2 91.182 107.504 91.31 107.4 Yeah . Uh I'm Jeanne-Oui . Um uh my role is industrial designer and my responsibilities are uh uh um deal with the technical-functional designs and specifications of user interface and dealing with user interface design . 91.85 92.69 107.4 IS1009a A FIE088 0 107.856 118.208 107.88 118.17 Very good . And as you already know I am Betty . I am the project manager for today . So why don't we look at the presentation to see what we really are supposed to do . 108.51 110.71 113.07 118.17 IS1009a A FIE088 0 118.757 119.984 118.757 119.91 Um . 119.91 IS1009a D FIO089 3 118.736 119.12 118.76 119.05 Okay . 119.05 IS1009a A FIE088 0 121.344 132.845 121.344 132.39 Yes y opening , acquaintance , tool training well , the tools are , I think , we already I guess the tool is really our the computer , as far as I can see . 123.54 124.76 126.11 127.64 128.05 131.4 132.39 IS1009a D FIO089 3 131.104 131.568 131.13 131.49 Mm-hmm . 131.49 IS1009a A FIE088 0 132.845 146.8 132.87 146.77 Uh we get ins each of us will get instructions and we'll take it from there . Project plan , that falls under the same heading pretty much . Um , I don't think we have any great discussion at this point . Um . 138.04 138.76 140.97 141.92 146.17 146.77 IS1009a D FIO089 3 145.52 145.856 145.55 145.79 No . 145.79 IS1009a A FIE088 0 149.424 162.352 149.44 162.32 Here is what this thing should be . This thing we are gonna um uh design is a new remote control . Uh should be original , trendy , and , of course , user friendly . 151.68 157.54 159.66 160.78 161.04 161.5 162.32 IS1009a D FIO089 3 159.472 160.057 159.51 159.78 Mm-hmm . 159.78 IS1009a A FIE088 0 165.104 167.14 165.19 166.99 So maybe you wanna make some notes of that . 166.99 IS1009a D FIO089 3 188.016 188.448 188.06 188.34 Okay . 188.34 IS1009a A FIE088 0 195.024 195.344 195.04 195.27 Okay ? 195.27 IS1009a D FIO089 3 195.536 195.872 195.56 195.82 Mm-hmm . 195.82 IS1009a A FIE088 0 196.336 202.432 196.38 202.4 All right . Here is what the functional design is supposed to achieve . Um . 197.44 201.64 202.4 IS1009a A FIE088 0 203.712 218.24 203.78 218.2 That is it's gonna be individual work and then at the meeting we'll discuss what uh we have come up with . The same goes for the conceptual design , there will be individual work whic and then discussion afterwards . 211.57 214.31 218.2 IS1009a A FIE088 0 219.424 222.38 219.44 222.12 Detailed design , same thing basically . 220.98 222.12 IS1009a D FIO089 3 220.4 221.552 220.46 221.552 Mm 'kay so - IS1009a D FIO089 3 222.736 226.769 222.76 226.45 Three different types of design that we're gonna be concerned with okay . 226.45 IS1009a A FIE088 0 225.952 227.312 225.98 227.27 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 226.94 227.27 IS1009a D FIO089 3 236.032 238.448 236.11 238.38 Functional , conception 237.54 IS1009a D FIO089 3 240.976 242.613 241.01 242.5 and detailed . 242.5 IS1009a A FIE088 0 243.872 245.744 243.94 245.744 I can't write with this thing . 245.45 IS1009a D FIO089 3 248.128 251.232 248.128 251.232 Maybe we should redesign it . 251.04 IS1009a A FIE088 0 249.488 253.04 249.488 253.04 Yes . 252.7 IS1009a D FIO089 3 252.768 254.768 252.79 254.69 After we've finished the remote control we'll get to that . 254.69 IS1009a A FIE088 0 254.688 257.776 254.688 257.74 Yeah , okay . All right ? 255.44 257.36 257.74 IS1009a A FIE088 0 259.984 272.576 260.02 272.52 Then , tool training try out the white board , participant can draw their favourite animal . Does anybody want to go and see how the white board works ? So that in case we have to , in the next meeting , present something on the white board . 260.42 262.59 264.71 268.72 270.19 271.11 272.52 IS1009a A FIE088 0 274.656 276.128 274.68 276.128 You wanna go Eileen and - IS1009a D FIO089 3 276.176 279.03 276.23 278.89 Okay , I'll see what I can do . See if I r 276.54 278.52 IS1009a A FIE088 0 277.568 280.144 277.59 280.144 Whether you without hanging yourself . 279.86 IS1009a D FIO089 3 280.064 285.968 280.08 285.968 See if I remember how to draw a kitty cat or a rabbit or something . 285.51 IS1009a A FIE088 0 288.08 291.184 288.1 291.15 And remember you have to press so it works . Mm-hmm . 290.82 291.15 IS1009a D FIO089 3 289.982 297.888 290.06 297.75 So that it will record okay . Um uh um traditional kitty cat . 292.19 297.75 IS1009a A FIE088 0 307.52 310.896 307.52 310.896 Fat , a fat cat . 309.08 310.65 IS1009a D FIO089 3 307.984 318.48 307.984 318.45 I've a very fat cat . And it likes to sit like that . Okay . 315.73 318.12 318.45 IS1009a A FIE088 0 317.584 318.096 317.63 318.04 Okay . 318.04 IS1009a A FIE088 0 320.512 327.536 320.53 327.5 And you're Francine , right ? Would you like s like just to see um how it feels , so that you have a little idea ? 322.26 322.58 326.03 327.5 IS1009a B FIO087 1 322.208 325.36 322.23 325.36 Yes , I'm Francina . Yes , sure . 322.54 324.16 324.74 325.08 IS1009a D FIO089 3 328.0 332.912 328.77 332.82 Am I supposed to wipe off that or okay . 332.82 IS1009a A FIE088 0 328.651 329.435 329.04 329.435 In - IS1009a A FIE088 0 330.176 331.616 330.22 331.53 No , no . No , that's okay . 330.38 330.83 331.0 331.53 IS1009a B FIO087 1 331.488 333.456 331.58 333.36 No , Okay . 331.86 333.36 IS1009a A FIE088 0 333.344 335.52 333.57 335.49 I don't know , we'll get to that later . 334.06 335.49 IS1009a D FIO089 3 335.952 336.528 336.02 336.43 Okay . 336.43 IS1009a B FIO087 1 336.336 340.064 337.47 340.064 What should I draw ? 339.63 IS1009a C FIO084 2 347.072 348.547 347.072 348.31 Snake . 348.31 IS1009a B FIO087 1 347.968 350.08 347.99 350.08 I'm going to draw a snake . 349.78 IS1009a B FIO087 1 355.792 359.062 355.86 359.062 How does it look like ? 358.95 IS1009a A FIE088 0 355.92 360.48 355.92 360.45 Okay . Okay . 359.98 360.45 IS1009a D FIO089 3 357.296 358.112 357.32 358.06 Uh , okay . 357.43 358.06 IS1009a D FIO089 3 359.904 364.988 359.99 364.988 I hope the kitty cat is hungry 'cause I don't like snakes . 364.82 IS1009a A FIE088 0 367.232 375.968 367.25 375.93 Here's the project finance uh which , of course , we all have to think about when we design this thing . Um selling price is supposed to be twenty five Euro . 369.74 370.01 372.72 375.93 IS1009a A FIE088 0 377.232 386.144 377.25 386.09 Uh profit aim for the company is fifty million Euro , the market range unlimited meaning international 382.75 IS1009a D FIO089 3 377.456 377.99 377.48 377.93 Mm-hmm . 377.93 IS1009a D FIO089 3 386.384 387.072 386.53 387.02 Okay . 387.02 IS1009a A FIE088 0 387.376 393.696 387.4 393.64 and the production cost should not exceed hopefully should be less than twelve fifty Euro . 393.64 IS1009a D FIO089 3 395.168 398.656 395.23 398.51 Mm 'kay that should keep everybody on their toes and challenged . 398.51 IS1009a A FIE088 0 398.72 399.344 398.76 399.29 Mm-hmm . 399.29 IS1009a D FIO089 3 400.176 400.976 400.24 400.93 Profit . 400.93 IS1009a D FIO089 3 402.816 406.528 402.86 406.48 Um is fifty mm . 406.48 IS1009a A FIE088 0 403.728 412.704 403.81 412.67 So these are all things , of course , to remember with the budget and when you design to materials , cost , etcetera . 405.64 407.07 411.63 412.07 412.67 IS1009a A FIE088 0 419.136 427.616 419.16 427.58 Now , uh the discussion I guess is um does anyone of you have experience with remote control ? 419.78 427.58 IS1009a D FIO089 3 419.724 420.631 420.14 420.46 Oops . 420.46 IS1009a C FIO084 2 428.672 431.822 428.69 431.54 Yeah , of course , using remote control . Yeah . 428.95 429.59 431.19 431.54 IS1009a A FIE088 0 428.928 435.024 428.95 434.99 I exp I s 'cause we we use 'em we use 'em , right , everyday . And um 431.52 431.85 433.24 IS1009a B FIO087 1 429.711 430.149 429.73 430.1 Yes . 430.1 IS1009a A FIE088 0 436.544 449.36 436.56 449.23 now having used a remote control for years does anybody already have like an idea like things you didn't like with it , things you would like to change , things you would like to improve with this thing ye any first ideas ? 443.99 445.75 449.23 IS1009a A FIE088 0 450.352 460.752 450.37 460.58 Would you like it to be smaller , bigger , have more have more buttons on it or maybe clearly better marked buttons , you know , things like that ? 452.54 453.99 459.19 459.85 460.58 IS1009a C FIO084 2 450.531 451.822 451.06 451.37 Uh . 451.37 IS1009a B FIO087 1 453.92 454.426 453.94 454.426 Yeah , I 454.18 IS1009a C FIO084 2 459.84 462.072 459.86 461.8 Yeah . Yeah . 461.37 461.8 IS1009a B FIO087 1 461.44 486.768 461.46 486.73 Yes , I I feel that all the remote should be very compact . Yeah , those which we get here nowadays it's very long . And um and it should have multi-purpose . Like uh the remote control which we use for T_V_ , it shou uh it should be used f uh for some other purpose also , like controlling the uh temperature inside the house or for air-conditioners , or for heating system . 461.77 465.71 466.07 469.79 472.76 475.97 479.14 485.39 486.73 IS1009a A FIE088 0 465.088 466.496 465.15 466.45 Small , right . Mm-hmm . 465.7 466.21 466.45 IS1009a A FIE088 0 469.248 469.728 469.29 469.68 Mm-hmm . 469.68 IS1009a A FIE088 0 480.963 482.945 481.37 482.62 Mm-hmm . 482.62 IS1009a C FIO084 2 481.473 484.514 481.7 484.34 Audio player . Oh . Okay . 482.73 483.66 484.34 IS1009a A FIE088 0 486.704 495.296 486.72 495.26 So it should be a multi-functional uh gadget that would um control all your household uh uh machines basically . 495.26 IS1009a B FIO087 1 488.443 489.493 488.48 489.46 Yes , exactly 489.12 IS1009a B FIO087 1 489.952 490.535 489.97 490.4 Yes . 490.4 IS1009a C FIO084 2 490.157 490.583 490.4 490.46 Hmm . 490.46 IS1009a B FIO087 1 492.54 493.231 492.57 492.92 Yes . 492.92 IS1009a C FIO084 2 492.784 495.568 492.784 495.51 Divides us Yeah . Yeah . 495.24 495.51 IS1009a B FIO087 1 494.704 495.712 494.72 495.68 Yeah . Exactly . 495.04 495.68 IS1009a D FIO089 3 496.144 502.768 496.144 502.768 At um twelve fifty Euros per - IS1009a A FIE088 0 502.336 503.84 502.77 503.46 Well . 503.46 IS1009a D FIO089 3 503.76 506.784 503.78 506.75 Well who knows if we get a really good designer maybe we can do that . 506.75 IS1009a C FIO084 2 506.16 506.867 506.18 506.79 Yeah . 506.79 IS1009a D FIO089 3 507.808 513.642 507.808 513.57 We certainly can try to I agree with her that to market something successfully it should do some more things . 513.57 IS1009a A FIE088 0 513.088 521.104 513.11 521.07 It should be something new it should be s it it should do something different than than just what we have . Now , of course , the other thing to think there is maybe the design . 518.12 518.32 518.72 521.07 IS1009a D FIO089 3 517.343 517.998 517.36 517.76 That's right . 517.76 IS1009a C FIO084 2 517.776 518.774 517.8 518.74 Yeah , of course . 518.38 518.74 IS1009a B FIO087 1 518.058 518.657 518.13 518.5 Yeah . 518.5 IS1009a B FIO087 1 521.024 525.449 521.06 525.449 Yeah , design should be , yeah it should be different . All the almost all the remotes 521.29 522.14 523.26 IS1009a A FIE088 0 524.122 538.832 524.22 538.73 Like trendy no like f for earlier we saw maybe it should be something trendy you know . Maybe it should different colours or materials or you know . Um so yeah shapes right , you know , like kidney shape feels better in your hand or something , you know . 528.29 533.45 535.57 535.99 538.42 538.73 IS1009a C FIO084 2 527.723 533.084 527.83 533.05 Yeah , maybe ten I do yeah , colours and al shapes also . Yeah . 528.19 530.4 532.65 533.05 IS1009a B FIO087 1 527.736 529.117 527.9 528.82 Yes , exactly . 528.22 528.82 IS1009a B FIO087 1 530.528 533.041 530.68 532.69 Are different shapes . Yes . 532.46 532.69 IS1009a B FIO087 1 537.014 537.519 537.03 537.48 Yes . 537.48 IS1009a C FIO084 2 537.784 539.581 538.09 539.24 Yeah of course yeah . 539.24 IS1009a D FIO089 3 538.512 551.204 538.53 551.13 Yeah okay , friendly shape , that would help . I think another thing that would help is um if it beeps when you clap , because I think one of the big things that happens is people lose them . They can't find it . 539.08 540.66 542.32 547.44 550.25 551.13 IS1009a A FIE088 0 539.952 540.496 539.97 540.33 Yeah . 540.33 IS1009a A FIE088 0 544.096 544.608 544.12 544.57 Yes . 544.57 IS1009a A FIE088 0 551.232 566.122 551.232 565.64 That is true , because they put a newspaper or they put it behind a plant or , we you know , whatever . And and they suddenly the phone rings and they want to turn the T_V_ off and they say , where the hell is my my remote control yeah ? 553.29 557.13 557.51 558.27 562.29 565.64 IS1009a C FIO084 2 555.617 556.953 555.68 556.953 Yeah . 556.72 IS1009a D FIO089 3 558.096 558.672 558.16 558.63 Mm-hmm . 558.63 IS1009a D FIO089 3 565.881 567.126 566.02 567.126 So some - IS1009a A FIE088 0 566.122 575.931 566.14 575.931 Well or yeah or if it's really , if it's really in a dark spot that it gives out a a sound or a signal . Yeah . Mm-hmm . So if lost 568.52 573.18 573.73 574.71 IS1009a C FIO084 2 571.909 574.726 572.01 574.726 Yeah , some beep or something like that , so that we can go 572.17 573.84 IS1009a D FIO089 3 572.529 576.8 572.64 576.76 Uh so , so it's really the beep or , or a light should blink . 573.69 575.3 576.76 IS1009a B FIO087 1 573.088 573.28 573.12 573.25 Or a b - IS1009a A FIE088 0 576.72 581.52 576.74 581.45 If lost uh signal with b throw signal , you know . 581.02 581.45 IS1009a B FIO087 1 576.855 577.823 577.04 577.78 Should ha - IS1009a C FIO084 2 576.985 577.608 577.06 577.37 Yeah . 577.37 IS1009a B FIO087 1 578.437 580.208 578.58 580.16 A fluorescent signal , yeah . 579.74 580.16 IS1009a D FIO089 3 580.254 581.368 580.39 580.91 Mm 'kay . 580.91 IS1009a C FIO084 2 581.44 586.445 581.48 586.34 Yeah , maybe it should have a light so that we can , we can just recognise where it is . Yeah , yeah . 581.67 583.76 585.88 586.18 586.34 IS1009a A FIE088 0 585.664 592.608 585.68 592.608 Exactly , I mean just that's what I'm saying . I'm just saying throw signal meaning just whether it's a beep or whether a light or 586.23 587.9 IS1009a C FIO084 2 586.976 588.109 587.0 587.95 May not be beep . 587.95 IS1009a C FIO084 2 590.832 593.236 590.86 593.03 Beep or uh it's a light , maybe it's a light . 592.18 593.03 IS1009a D FIO089 3 592.172 605.829 592.25 605.71 And do you think a good c c um clue for that is that it would respond to a clap or it would respond to your voice or it would respond what what should you have to do to make it beep or blink ? 605.71 IS1009a A FIE088 0 605.664 637.247 605.68 637.21 Okay , my my idea is maybe that the minute it's really hidden , in in other words if it's like in a dark spot , uh meaning you know like a newspaper is on top , a sweater is on top or it it's behind a plant , at that moment it's it's like , it's like um , what you call it a light s sensors , you know ? In in that moment it has a sensor , i it it gets a certain darkness , it ge has a sensor and it gives out a signal whether that be a light signal or a beep , I mean , that we can discuss that later , you know . 605.97 609.57 614.18 616.46 620.32 621.95 623.21 624.93 625.75 627.73 630.03 634.76 635.12 636.74 637.21 IS1009a D FIO089 3 613.264 613.744 613.3 613.69 Mm-hmm . 613.69 IS1009a D FIO089 3 617.938 618.364 617.96 618.26 Mm-hmm . 618.26 IS1009a D FIO089 3 625.408 626.237 625.55 626.237 Okay so - IS1009a B FIO087 1 627.582 628.048 627.79 628.0 Yes . 628.0 IS1009a D FIO089 3 628.272 628.736 628.29 628.67 Okay . 628.67 IS1009a C FIO084 2 634.202 637.824 634.31 637.63 Yeah , probably yeah , probably it's a yeah , yeah . 634.72 635.78 637.23 637.63 IS1009a B FIO087 1 638.176 639.184 638.22 639.184 Yeah . And uh 638.67 IS1009a D FIO089 3 639.072 641.296 639.09 641.25 So the light sensor would activate the signal . 641.25 IS1009a A FIE088 0 641.28 658.48 641.3 658.48 That's right . You know there would be right you have to have some kind of sensor and I I think uh voice or clapping it's not specific enough . Uh I know there are the lamps and stuff , you know , you can clap on and off , but I think they only work to certain degree and 642.24 650.78 652.6 652.83 654.46 IS1009a C FIO084 2 641.744 642.224 641.81 642.12 Mm-hmm . 642.12 IS1009a D FIO089 3 652.88 653.391 652.91 653.24 Mm-hmm . 653.24 IS1009a B FIO087 1 653.425 654.333 653.7 654.09 Yes . 654.09 IS1009a D FIO089 3 658.113 661.879 658.19 661.77 But it could be someplace really obvious and you still wouldn't be able to find it . 661.77 IS1009a C FIO084 2 663.805 665.28 663.98 665.28 Yeah , of course , that didn't 664.18 664.6 IS1009a A FIE088 0 664.064 664.8 664.08 664.8 What with - IS1009a D FIO089 3 665.2 667.965 665.22 667.93 Well , because you're s because you're silly . Because people are silly . 665.46 666.89 667.93 IS1009a B FIO087 1 665.296 666.38 665.4 666.38 Then , in that case 665.58 IS1009a C FIO084 2 666.086 667.232 666.11 667.15 I i we can't do it . 667.15 IS1009a A FIE088 0 667.68 671.808 667.7 671.808 Oh yeah well , but then those people we can't help everybody . 668.45 671.59 IS1009a D FIO089 3 668.498 680.157 668.66 679.99 I mean it could be on well , i if it were like on top of your bookcase and you usually kept it on the coffee table um , you know , well maybe we have to move along , okay . 670.87 677.77 678.15 679.64 679.99 IS1009a A FIE088 0 678.064 684.016 678.08 683.95 Okay we have uh yeah , we have to move along , but I think we have some good good points to start with here . 679.8 680.54 683.95 IS1009a C FIO084 2 682.048 683.259 682.07 683.11 Yeah , good point . 682.51 683.11 IS1009a A FIE088 0 685.776 704.016 685.84 703.98 Okay , the next meeting will be in thirty minutes . I think you all did you get uh notices on your computer for this ? Okay so well , you got the notice um uh . The working design , I guess that's the function I_D_ uh who is this ? The industrial designer That's you . 686.27 688.49 692.12 692.78 695.45 698.91 701.63 703.98 IS1009a C FIO084 2 691.428 692.381 691.65 692.33 Me yeah . 692.33 IS1009a B FIO087 1 693.797 694.17 693.82 693.97 Yes . 693.97 IS1009a C FIO084 2 702.944 703.376 702.97 703.28 Yeah . 703.28 IS1009a C FIO084 2 704.592 707.798 704.61 707.73 Yeah , it's functional de yeah , exactly , technical . 705.02 706.27 707.14 707.73 IS1009a A FIE088 0 706.8 711.168 706.82 711.13 Okay . So , we looking for a working design when we come back . 707.46 708.08 711.13 IS1009a C FIO084 2 710.24 710.909 710.26 710.7 Yeah . 710.7 IS1009a C FIO084 2 711.472 715.776 711.71 715.68 Uh working design , yeah , it's it's uh mainly technical-functional design . 712.77 713.06 715.68 IS1009a A FIE088 0 714.192 714.544 714.21 714.544 Then - IS1009a A FIE088 0 715.696 744.656 715.72 744.656 And then the technical funct you are the technical function , so so you are the working design . So you have a working design and then a functional design . And the marketing manager is coming up with some user requirement specification , like friendliness , and what we just discussed in general . That would be your idea . And , of course , price . That it , that it , that the price is a good price . I mean , the price is given , but , that was 718.0 720.11 724.39 730.42 731.54 734.3 735.94 736.18 736.93 738.24 738.83 739.16 741.69 741.89 742.67 743.65 IS1009a C FIO084 2 717.23 718.752 717.25 718.752 Yeah , functional design , and you 717.54 718.45 IS1009a B FIO087 1 720.252 720.97 720.41 720.78 Okay . 720.78 IS1009a D FIO089 3 741.296 741.744 741.37 741.7 Mm-hmm . 741.7 IS1009a D FIO089 3 745.232 749.898 745.25 749.86 We have to justify that price by having sufficient features to make it sell at that price . 749.86 IS1009a A FIE088 0 746.272 746.903 746.33 746.79 That's right . 746.79 IS1009a A FIE088 0 749.424 750.128 749.44 750.08 That's right . 750.08 IS1009a A FIE088 0 751.36 758.032 751.38 758.0 And , you know , specifi you you will get specific um instructions for that . I think that's the end of the show . Yeah . 751.68 752.08 756.1 757.84 758.0 IS1009a A FIE088 0 764.704 775.984 764.72 775.95 So um we have well , we have a twen two two two three minutes . Um any questions at this point ? Or uh suggestions ? 767.99 770.87 773.57 775.95 IS1009a D FIO089 3 777.136 777.856 777.27 777.82 Mm . 777.82 IS1009a A FIE088 0 777.776 787.168 777.8 787.168 I think basically basically you will get instructions to work with and if you have any questions uh , uh I guess , you can uh 785.71 786.4 IS1009a B FIO087 1 782.67 783.348 782.9 783.2 Okay . 783.2 IS1009a C FIO084 2 784.162 784.555 784.26 784.46 Yeah . 784.46 IS1009a D FIO089 3 787.552 794.055 787.58 793.93 Okay , I think I have enough to think about 'til our next meeting . How about you people ? Really ? Okay . 787.81 791.63 792.83 793.39 793.93 IS1009a A FIE088 0 790.912 791.312 790.95 791.28 Mm-hmm . 791.28 IS1009a C FIO084 2 791.232 793.984 791.25 793.95 Yeah , even I have . Yeah , even I have , I think , yeah . 791.51 792.6 792.87 793.32 793.75 793.95 IS1009a B FIO087 1 792.72 793.161 792.79 793.13 Yes . 793.13 IS1009a A FIE088 0 793.2 793.568 793.23 793.51 Mm-hmm . 793.51 IS1009a D FIO089 3 794.464 794.72 794.48 794.68 'Kay . 794.68 IS1009a A FIE088 0 795.552 796.016 795.57 795.88 Okay . 795.88 IS1009a D FIO089 3 796.48 797.744 796.5 797.744 Alright , well uh 796.72 IS1009a C FIO084 2 796.243 797.847 796.52 797.81 Yeah , so let's see . 796.73 797.81 IS1009a A FIE088 0 797.936 803.748 797.96 803.61 Then uh we see you in about thirty minutes . And see what we can come up with . 801.94 803.61 IS1009a B FIO087 1 801.856 802.449 801.89 802.4 Yes . 802.4 IS1009a C FIO084 2 803.289 803.728 803.39 803.68 Hmm . 803.68 IS1009a D FIO089 3 803.776 804.614 803.8 804.53 Okay , very good . 804.08 804.53 IS1009a B FIO087 1 804.064 805.774 804.08 805.72 Okay . Yes . 805.26 805.72 IS1009a A FIE088 0 804.657 805.184 804.79 805.07 Okay ? 805.07 IS1009a C FIO084 2 805.44 805.776 805.49 805.68 Yeah . 805.68 IS1009b A FIE088 0 37.037 38.736 37.32 38.65 Okay , is everybody ready ? 37.79 38.65 IS1009b C FIO084 2 39.04 39.312 39.06 39.27 Yeah ? 39.27 IS1009b D FIO089 3 39.712 42.832 39.73 42.79 Yeah I'd to just put on my microphone here and I'll be right with you . 42.79 IS1009b A FIE088 0 43.136 43.536 43.16 43.5 Mm-hmm . 43.5 IS1009b D FIO089 3 45.024 45.408 45.13 45.35 Okay ? 45.35 IS1009b A FIE088 0 47.152 58.72 47.17 58.69 Um I take it you all have received instructions as to what you were supposed to do and um - IS1009b C FIO084 2 55.104 55.55 55.21 55.44 Mm ? 55.44 IS1009b B FIO087 1 55.648 56.144 55.71 56.11 Yes . 56.11 IS1009b A FIE088 0 60.768 67.415 60.79 67.33 I think the Marketing Manager probably should go first , addressing the needs and desires . 64.96 67.33 IS1009b D FIO089 3 75.391 77.072 75.391 77.03 Okay you want me to start right now ? 77.03 IS1009b A FIE088 0 78.4 79.104 78.43 79.03 Yeah , mm-hmm . 78.85 79.03 IS1009b D FIO089 3 79.296 86.48 79.32 86.44 Okay . Well , could you um put my slides up 'cause I think it might be helpful if uh we looked at the slides at the same time . 79.98 80.26 86.44 IS1009b A FIE088 0 86.256 86.672 86.28 86.64 Okay . 86.64 IS1009b A FIE088 0 95.568 97.088 95.59 97.05 You're participant four . 97.05 IS1009b D FIO089 3 96.698 98.925 96.82 98.86 I'm participant four I believe . Yes uh-huh . 98.3 98.86 IS1009b D FIO089 3 100.672 101.23 100.69 101.13 'Kay . 101.13 IS1009b A FIE088 0 100.944 103.776 100.96 103.73 Okay , and now I can uh full screen . 101.6 103.73 IS1009b C FIO084 2 104.192 104.64 104.21 104.61 Open . 104.61 IS1009b A FIE088 0 106.147 107.573 106.29 107.53 Uh , okay , okay . 106.42 106.61 107.53 IS1009b D FIO089 3 108.4 119.665 108.47 119.58 There we go . Okay well I think we have introduced ourselves , so the functional requirements are is is part of my goal but why don't we pass right to the second slide . 109.63 112.87 119.58 IS1009b C FIO084 2 110.368 111.352 110.39 111.17 And then full screen . 111.17 IS1009b D FIO089 3 120.672 165.385 120.69 165.31 Cause that's where m my discussion starts . Right well um since I'm in charge of trying to figure out what we should put on this thing since I have to try to sell it . Um I thought that the method I should follow would be gather suggestions from everybody , and th the reason I just put that there like that is that uh in the init in the initial stage I think I should just be open to lots of suggestions . You know you can say anything you want no matter how silly it sounds you know it should run your car , it should heat up your motor if should um turn on your C_D_ whatever you want it to do um and then as we go on what we'll have to do is accept and eliminate these suggestions according to um design and budget feasibility . 123.34 130.3 136.19 146.73 150.69 165.31 IS1009b C FIO084 2 130.0 130.336 130.02 130.29 Mm-hmm . 130.29 IS1009b C FIO084 2 155.136 155.44 155.16 155.39 'Kay . 155.39 IS1009b D FIO089 3 165.604 213.256 165.62 213.22 So I'll be coming to you um frequently as the Industrial Expert to tell me how hard it's gonna be to add a feature or how expensive it's gonna be or if your time , if it takes five years to develop this it's just something we can't do . So in the beginning just have a big puddle of things that we anybody can th throw anything in and then just weed things out that can't be done for one reason or another , and then the things that seem the most attractive that to uh to a customer we'll try to then prioritise those . So that was um what I meant there , and as I said on the slide there consulting the Industrial Engineer about that and the other thing is timing is really gonna be as important as money , because if we're gonna sell this thing , I think the best time to sell it is as a Christmas present . 176.33 180.11 189.21 197.78 200.47 208.87 211.1 213.22 IS1009b C FIO084 2 169.36 169.664 169.39 169.6 Mm-hmm . 169.6 IS1009b C FIO084 2 171.654 172.084 171.69 172.05 Yeah . 172.05 IS1009b C FIO084 2 173.455 174.028 173.86 173.98 Yeah . 173.98 IS1009b C FIO084 2 174.531 175.069 174.57 175.03 Yeah . 175.03 IS1009b C FIO084 2 177.44 178.432 177.46 178.4 Hmm hmm . 178.4 IS1009b C FIO084 2 179.029 179.366 179.12 179.32 Mm . 179.32 IS1009b C FIO084 2 181.924 182.421 182.06 182.36 Yeah . 182.36 IS1009b C FIO084 2 195.328 195.693 195.35 195.62 Mm-hmm . 195.62 IS1009b C FIO084 2 197.312 197.702 197.33 197.65 Yeah . 197.65 IS1009b D FIO089 3 213.617 261.108 213.64 261.02 Twenty five Euros makes a nice little present , and we want it to be an impulse purchase , we want somebody to see it and think it's , gee I just gotta have that . And take out their wallet and buy it . So it's gotta be really attractive and it but it's gotta go to market by September , 'cause anything that you don't already have out there in September showing it around , isn't gonna sell for Christmas . Um and then I'll be coming to you as the User Interface person to try to tell me from your point of view what are the most friendly features that we could put on it and try to prior help me with that prioritising of uh of the features and of the the look and the colour and I'll be coming back to you to help weed out those suggestions from that point of view . 216.14 218.01 220.5 222.22 224.06 228.28 232.42 234.85 261.02 IS1009b C FIO084 2 217.995 218.466 218.1 218.41 Mm . 218.41 IS1009b C FIO084 2 232.645 233.268 232.67 233.02 Yeah . 233.02 IS1009b B FIO087 1 250.568 251.165 250.63 250.89 Okay . 250.89 IS1009b B FIO087 1 260.76 261.542 260.98 261.32 Okay . 261.32 IS1009b D FIO089 3 261.293 292.096 261.31 292.06 So I'll be coming to you for how much is it gonna cost us and how long is it gonna take you , and I'll be coming to you to tell me what's gonna make somebody take out their wallet you know , what what's what's gonna really be what they call a sizzle , 'cause we gotta sell this sizzle . A lot of times the thing that works the best from an engineering point of view isn't the thing that somebody's really just gonna take out their wallet and buy for Christmas for for their child or for their husband or whatever . Okay can we go to the next slide please ? 265.63 271.01 275.24 278.51 290.54 292.06 IS1009b C FIO084 2 264.795 265.696 264.84 265.54 Mm mm-hmm . 265.54 IS1009b B FIO087 1 269.151 270.052 269.25 269.98 What features . 269.98 IS1009b B FIO087 1 275.01 277.876 275.7 277.41 S sellable . Yes . 276.85 277.41 IS1009b B FIO087 1 288.965 289.42 289.01 289.27 Yes . 289.27 IS1009b D FIO089 3 294.72 344.624 294.86 344.59 Alright I I already did a little bit of research after our first meeting where we threw out some ideas and it looks to me that within the budget that we're looking at the uh the whole house idea really isn't gonna be possible . So I'd like your suggestions to come back to the other slide where I was saying we we could suggest anything . I'd like the suggestions to be really specific , so that we'll have a list of things we can cross off , not something like you know whole house control what'll be And then I found on the internet from from my research that some extended electronic entertainment control should be possible . At the budget that we're looking at and at the price point we're looking at , we should be able to make it work the T_V_ , the V_C_R_ , the stereo set um maybe something else cute like a coffee pot or one other appliance or maybe a lamp . I have to wind up ? 306.25 311.75 314.42 317.09 329.24 332.6 334.27 335.01 343.81 344.59 IS1009b A FIE088 0 341.306 381.128 341.306 381.07 Uh okay , can can I at this point interject um something ? Um we have received instruction from higher up that certain things should not be uh considered . Um the one thing for example something to eliminate maybe that's the teletext , because that's sort of outdated with the internet , and according to to higher management the it should only control the T_V_ , mostly because they feel that it's too comp complex a task to um to to include other things , and they are concerned with the time to market . 342.81 346.86 353.55 358.85 362.62 370.62 378.64 381.07 IS1009b D FIO089 3 345.551 346.527 345.68 346.38 Yeah , sure . 346.03 346.38 IS1009b D FIO089 3 353.184 353.632 353.2 353.6 Okay . 353.6 IS1009b D FIO089 3 361.056 361.504 361.11 361.46 Okay . 361.46 IS1009b C FIO084 2 361.344 361.744 361.5 361.68 Mm-hmm . 361.68 IS1009b C FIO084 2 374.208 376.051 374.39 375.82 Complicated , yeah , of course . 374.83 375.34 375.82 IS1009b C FIO084 2 381.232 381.605 381.27 381.44 Yeah . 381.44 IS1009b D FIO089 3 381.296 382.344 381.32 382.12 Of course , yeah . 381.82 382.12 IS1009b B FIO087 1 381.704 382.419 381.85 382.38 Okay . 382.38 IS1009b A FIE088 0 381.784 425.136 381.97 425.1 Okay . Um and the and the third thing that they wanna make sure um that their that the corporate image is being maintained , and that the corporate colour and design are being used on the product , so that it's easy that that that they can be easily identified as a product of of of the company , and that there's no mistake that it could be somebody else who is bringing this out . So I just wanted to interject this here so we're not getting too much off track here with uh with the things we wanna look at . These were instructions from higher up so we have to eliminate uh these things , so it's only gonna be T_V_ , but the one thing maybe that could be um eliminated is the teletext uh idea . 382.85 391.12 395.08 402.21 407.04 413.53 418.07 419.95 425.1 IS1009b D FIO089 3 382.862 384.4 383.08 384.4 Okay , so that's something 383.33 IS1009b C FIO084 2 403.912 404.383 404.12 404.34 Mm-hmm . 404.34 IS1009b D FIO089 3 418.176 418.959 418.2 418.959 Okay so - IS1009b D FIO089 3 425.376 425.776 425.4 425.74 Okay . 425.74 IS1009b A FIE088 0 426.352 427.687 426.38 427.29 Mm 'kay . 427.29 IS1009b B FIO087 1 426.953 427.66 426.99 427.55 Okay . 427.55 IS1009b D FIO089 3 426.976 478.76 427.0 478.73 Alright , thanks for that . Um alright now other things that I found out on in my research is that the complaints that people have about the remote controls that are out there now . 'Cause a lot of them take too much time to learn how to use , and that was thirty four percent but even more important the thing that we did address in our last meeting that frequently it's lost somewhere in the room . Um so those are two things that we definitely do wanna address , uh we wanna s make it as simple as possible , we wanna make it um obvious and intuitive to use , and then the things about finding it we talked about the a light emitting thing as well as uh maybe a beep , and I think that those are things after my research that we definitely wanna try to incorporate . 'Kay can we go to the next slide please ? 427.41 428.38 437.38 440.93 449.0 453.88 456.44 460.99 471.6 477.34 478.73 IS1009b D FIO089 3 479.632 509.898 479.65 509.83 Okay , so , my personal preferences in this um project are really have to concentrate on the sizzle . That is the selling point , the thing that's gonna make it an impulse purchase . Uh because once there's no be-back , well in sales they always say you know , be-backs don't come back . If somebody says , oh I'll come back and get it next week you're dead . They're never gonna come back and buy it . You've gotta make it attractive enough so they buy it now now now w now is a big word in in my book for selling this thing . 480.0 480.56 487.37 488.65 491.69 494.53 496.35 498.02 498.62 501.07 502.5 509.83 IS1009b D FIO089 3 510.521 558.992 510.54 558.95 And , in order to make it really sellable we've gotta shorten the learning curve , make sure it's really intuitive and easy to use . We have to have as few buttons as possible , because more buttons is more confusion , so that's why I'm saying , simplicity is good . Finding it's important , obviously you can't use it if you can't find it . So we've gotta concentrate on the features that help you find it , and I've already said this several times but I put it down in writing here , it should be an attractive impulse purchase at twenty five Euros . So it has to have enough value that when somebody looks at it they say , uh twenty five Euros I'm not gonna take that . Has to be so great that they're gonna say , uh twenty five Euros isn't much . Um and then maybe a motto , like we put fashion in electronics might be something we can use in our marketing campaign . Okay that's uh about it for me right now . 511.41 515.38 518.32 521.45 523.76 524.53 526.03 526.95 528.95 532.27 535.66 539.11 542.3 544.76 547.14 549.21 551.71 556.96 558.95 IS1009b C FIO084 2 556.442 556.88 556.58 556.82 Yeah . 556.82 IS1009b A FIE088 0 559.536 560.176 559.536 560.07 Okay . 560.07 IS1009b A FIE088 0 563.008 564.672 563.03 564.6 And uh - IS1009b A FIE088 0 565.968 574.896 565.99 574.8 who would be next , uh , I guess that would be you . Mm-hmm . You want me to get your slide show up ? Mm-hmm . 566.98 568.13 571.57 572.29 574.49 574.8 IS1009b C FIO084 2 571.168 572.029 571.19 571.88 Yeah 'kay . 571.88 IS1009b C FIO084 2 573.328 575.024 573.35 574.98 Yeah yeah sure . Thank you . 574.55 574.98 IS1009b A FIE088 0 580.8 583.728 580.82 583.66 And you are number three ? Number two . 583.19 583.66 IS1009b C FIO084 2 582.448 584.047 582.47 583.8 Number two , yeah . 583.23 583.8 IS1009b C FIO084 2 590.832 591.695 590.93 591.58 Yeah exactly . 591.58 IS1009b A FIE088 0 591.552 592.284 591.62 592.17 Okay . 592.17 IS1009b C FIO084 2 593.728 596.208 593.76 595.94 Uh can you make it uh full screen please ? 595.94 IS1009b A FIE088 0 594.224 594.731 594.24 594.66 Okay . 594.66 IS1009b A FIE088 0 595.792 596.325 595.82 596.14 Mm-hmm . 596.14 IS1009b A FIE088 0 598.216 598.746 598.28 598.62 Yep . 598.62 IS1009b C FIO084 2 598.384 601.344 598.41 601.25 No , it's like a well you you have to press here . 598.69 601.25 IS1009b C FIO084 2 602.052 606.08 602.45 605.93 The cup cup shape here ? The thir third . 605.21 605.93 IS1009b A FIE088 0 604.528 605.312 604.55 605.26 Yeah yeah , uh-huh . 605.0 605.26 IS1009b C FIO084 2 607.68 616.506 607.71 616.44 Yeah exactly . Uh so today I'm going to talk about the working design of the remote controller . Um can you go to the next sli slide please ? 609.94 613.73 616.44 IS1009b A FIE088 0 607.936 608.752 607.98 608.71 There , mm-hmm . 608.42 608.71 IS1009b D FIO089 3 613.28 613.712 613.3 613.63 Okay . 613.63 IS1009b A FIE088 0 616.182 616.752 616.32 616.63 Mm-hmm . 616.63 IS1009b C FIO084 2 618.304 666.049 618.32 666.01 The metal is like uh in a remote controller you have a chip integrated circuit which is like a brain of the remote controller . It takes the power from a battery say a battery it it can be a elec an electric supply like you have to uh like uh switch connec connect connect your remote controller to uh power supply from the you know electricity or something like that . It should be a battery because uh uh remote controller should be like you you you should take it t to wherever you want and then um uh th this integrated circuitry takes energy from the power source and whatever like if you press a button it's like a input for the remote controller and it takes the input and it it transforms into a infro infrared bits and it sends it into the device , like a T_V_ or a air conditioner , something like that so . 625.93 639.41 662.93 665.15 666.01 IS1009b D FIO089 3 645.76 646.208 645.78 646.16 Mm-hmm . 646.16 IS1009b C FIO084 2 666.411 716.105 666.43 716.0 Uh a remote controller is specifically designed to a single device . If you want to design it for multiple devices then you should make all the devices compatible with the frequency like uh th the remote controller it sends some bits some uh waves like with a particular frequency the device should know what the frequency is . It should re re recognise the uh waves which are coming from the remote controller and it should take the action like if you press a button channel or something like that then uh the remote uh remote controller will send a send a se send a signal , and the T_V_ it should translate that into like change the channel or something like that , change the volume control and uh so uh I think it's hard to design a remote controller for multiple uh devices . 670.27 686.29 701.47 707.57 716.0 IS1009b D FIO089 3 699.776 700.64 699.776 700.61 Signal . 700.61 IS1009b B FIO087 1 703.443 704.368 703.62 704.2 Receive . 704.2 IS1009b D FIO089 3 707.056 707.513 707.08 707.38 Mm-hmm . 707.38 IS1009b A FIE088 0 708.499 709.063 708.64 708.93 Mm-hmm . 708.93 IS1009b B FIO087 1 715.712 716.776 715.86 716.43 Multi-purpose . 716.43 IS1009b D FIO089 3 716.48 723.072 716.5 722.92 Yeah well that's already been eliminated by management , so we're off the hook . 719.04 722.92 IS1009b A FIE088 0 716.896 722.731 716.92 722.5 Yo and it's yeah but it's so . 722.5 IS1009b C FIO084 2 718.377 719.353 718.51 719.05 Uh yeah . 719.05 IS1009b C FIO084 2 723.504 724.188 723.52 724.03 Um . 724.03 IS1009b A FIE088 0 723.52 723.994 723.57 723.92 Yep . 723.92 IS1009b C FIO084 2 726.256 760.443 726.28 760.4 So uh user interface controls the chip and accordingly the messages like there should be a user user in interface like you know switch pad or something like that buttons should be there . So uh you can control whatever you want , you want to change the channel you want to control the volume you you want to uh mute uh mute the uh T_V_ or you want to have a child lock or you want to do some operations there's a there should be some device to tell what to do to the uh in uh integrated circuit so that the integrated circuit can s send the signals and T_V_ can perform the actions . 736.53 738.67 760.4 IS1009b D FIO089 3 753.934 754.675 753.99 754.59 Mm okay . 754.59 IS1009b C FIO084 2 761.088 763.203 761.11 763.15 So can you go to the next slide please ? 763.15 IS1009b D FIO089 3 762.32 762.992 762.34 762.95 Okay . 762.95 IS1009b C FIO084 2 763.728 794.158 763.82 794.12 So I I just would like to uh add some extra features to the remote controller um I think these are the very simple features and uh they don't take much uh uh much of the um um investment also , it's like el the text or buttons which uh which are there on the uh remote controller they those we can make uh um like fluorescent uh they'll be like light emitting if it is dark so that you can find your remote controller if it is dark . 777.21 794.12 IS1009b D FIO089 3 768.56 769.168 768.59 769.11 Mm-hmm . 769.11 IS1009b D FIO089 3 787.44 787.84 787.47 787.8 Mm-hmm . 787.8 IS1009b C FIO084 2 795.042 853.648 795.06 853.648 And ther there should be a beep if many buttons are pressed if suppose a child is playing with the remote controller and a and she she or he is pressing the buttons all at the time then there should be a beep saying that it's this this is not a a you know a a action , there can be no action taking to that so . And there should be a child lock , like uh uh you should be able to lock your remote controller so that uh um whatever buttons are pressed by a child they can't be like y you i you if you have ki kids and all then they'll be pl playing with the remote controllers so can lock the remote controller . If make it useable for more than one device it's a it's hard but I think it's possible but it uh yeah yeah yeah so it's it's okay , yeah , yeah . And uh different shapes that we can do like uh we can have you know a all animals shapes or you know comfortable uh whi which can fit into your hands and um so that uh 812.11 815.15 816.9 831.82 840.8 841.51 842.45 IS1009b A FIE088 0 835.824 842.416 835.85 842.36 Yeah well yeah well that has been e that has been eliminated , so that's that's unfortunately a moot point now . Mm-hmm . 839.16 841.94 842.36 IS1009b D FIO089 3 837.018 839.352 837.1 839.26 Well we already eliminated that . 839.26 IS1009b B FIO087 1 838.376 839.493 838.76 839.27 Eliminated . 839.27 IS1009b D FIO089 3 852.976 861.728 853.0 861.728 Now that's good from a marketing point of view , the fun the fun shape . And that you you say that won't add too much to the budget ? To d the shape is uh 854.76 857.0 859.82 IS1009b C FIO084 2 854.864 858.06 854.88 858.06 Yeah , yeah , yeah and colours also , different colours , and 855.29 855.65 856.88 857.76 IS1009b A FIE088 0 856.976 857.44 857.0 857.44 Yeah I - IS1009b B FIO087 1 857.004 858.208 857.27 857.77 Mm-hmm colours . 857.77 IS1009b C FIO084 2 860.064 865.779 860.09 865.779 No no no , it won't uh I don't think it will be like , you can have you know for uh if you want ther there to be more 860.46 862.37 IS1009b A FIE088 0 864.352 867.52 864.37 867.48 It just build a mould basically and uh you know . 867.48 IS1009b C FIO084 2 866.254 869.296 866.27 869.26 Yeah yeah . It's it's just a s shape so it doesn't matter . 866.83 869.26 IS1009b B FIO087 1 867.036 868.112 867.14 868.06 Yes exactly . 868.06 IS1009b A FIE088 0 869.264 874.688 869.28 874.688 As the budget we're looking at if you build one mould I don't think that's going to make a big difference whether it's gonna be square or - IS1009b C FIO084 2 871.776 872.395 871.8 872.32 Yeah . 872.32 IS1009b D FIO089 3 875.552 882.704 875.57 882.67 Do you think there's any chance of um having ser in having basically the same machine with the same buttons but maybe several different shapes ? 882.67 IS1009b C FIO084 2 882.976 885.737 883.0 885.7 Yeah that is also possible I uh yeah I I yeah . 885.7 IS1009b A FIE088 0 883.552 884.088 883.57 884.05 Oh yes . 884.05 IS1009b D FIO089 3 884.144 886.979 884.16 886.82 Is that gonna be a possible ? 'Cause that might help with the marketing . 885.04 886.82 IS1009b B FIO087 1 884.446 885.186 884.66 885.05 Yes . 885.05 IS1009b A FIE088 0 885.28 891.897 885.31 891.83 I think I think we will have to look at the budget on that but I think in principle that that would be that would be kind of fun , you know . 891.46 891.83 IS1009b C FIO084 2 887.106 887.925 887.13 887.925 Yeah that will be - IS1009b C FIO084 2 891.126 892.085 891.2 892.05 Yeah yeah . 892.05 IS1009b D FIO089 3 891.424 903.552 891.44 903.552 Because we had something sort of sexy for adults and we could have something sort of silly for children or a little animal shape or in a or a little elephant so they can remember where it is . 903.28 IS1009b C FIO084 2 892.712 893.168 892.83 893.09 Mm-hmm . 893.09 IS1009b A FIE088 0 894.032 894.49 894.05 894.33 Yeah . 894.33 IS1009b A FIE088 0 895.472 896.648 895.49 896.61 Silly for children . 896.61 IS1009b C FIO084 2 896.1 900.335 896.35 900.28 Yeah , for children , yeah exactly . Yeah , that's what , yeah . 896.77 897.57 898.84 899.15 899.98 900.28 IS1009b A FIE088 0 897.312 898.751 897.33 898.751 Like an animal or - IS1009b B FIO087 1 898.112 899.696 898.13 899.696 Like a doll , or 899.35 IS1009b A FIE088 0 899.61 900.132 899.65 900.04 Yeah . 900.04 IS1009b C FIO084 2 902.045 939.134 902.1 939.01 Yeah , exactly . Yeah . And and the butto buttons also I think if you want to have more features in your remote controller then there should be more buttons . If there are more buttons then it will be more complicated . If you have less features then your remote controller won't be attractive , so I think uh we need to make some buttons which are which are like um uh f in uh in intended for two or three operations , like if you press one button in one mode then it will change the channel , if you press the other button in another mode it will change the colour . So if you want to have less buttons we can have that option but I think it will complicate the matter more I think so . 902.61 903.71 904.4 911.06 913.92 917.48 925.61 929.3 932.99 939.01 IS1009b B FIO087 1 902.112 903.776 902.65 903.49 Yes . 903.49 IS1009b D FIO089 3 934.208 935.008 934.25 934.97 Mm . 934.97 IS1009b D FIO089 3 938.32 966.72 938.61 966.72 Well , I think I think that that's something that we'll have to discuss um with the User Interface person because I think there's a lot of argument to be made for one button for one feature . Because I think one of the things were complaining about in my what I found out in my research is when they complained about how hard it is to learn a new one . The changing modes was something I mean you and I , all f all four of us we work with computers all the time , changing modes is nothing for us , but people who 939.04 949.3 957.05 960.45 963.16 965.17 IS1009b C FIO084 2 941.785 943.148 941.96 943.11 Yep , yeah . 942.8 943.11 IS1009b B FIO087 1 941.908 942.674 942.0 942.48 Yes . 942.48 IS1009b C FIO084 2 956.528 956.944 956.55 956.91 Mm-hmm . 956.91 IS1009b C FIO084 2 958.727 960.482 958.79 960.45 Yeah , it's like you know yeah . 959.25 960.45 IS1009b C FIO084 2 961.601 962.165 961.79 962.01 Yeah . 962.01 IS1009b C FIO084 2 962.395 963.419 962.56 963.37 Yeah , yeah . 963.15 963.37 IS1009b B FIO087 1 963.07 963.912 963.2 963.79 Okay . 963.79 IS1009b A FIE088 0 966.688 978.788 966.71 978.75 Yeah , a little elderly , a little arthritic hand you know , and and it's a small button and and it they don't press it exactly you know something else happens n not their favourite channel comes up but something else and they're very frustrated you know . 966.81 967.58 969.35 978.75 IS1009b D FIO089 3 968.459 969.545 968.459 969.545 N and - IS1009b C FIO084 2 968.886 969.7 968.98 969.58 Mm-hmm . 969.58 IS1009b C FIO084 2 971.602 972.303 971.7 972.23 Yeah . 972.23 IS1009b C FIO084 2 976.325 977.958 976.47 977.8 Yeah , yes . 977.06 977.8 IS1009b B FIO087 1 976.889 977.949 976.99 977.54 Something else . 977.54 IS1009b D FIO089 3 977.473 1002.656 977.52 1002.51 And that's and that's the kind of thing people learn by feel , and um you don't feel the mode change . So um maybe having buttons be various shapes might be a help too . You know , like the a triangle is for the volume and a square is for changing channels , so that people can uh develop a tactile sense of it . But we'll get to that with you . 980.79 985.2 991.18 991.65 996.8 1000.76 1002.51 IS1009b C FIO084 2 981.689 986.1 981.76 985.22 Yeah , yeah you don't us yeah yeah , usually . Yeah . 982.26 984.0 984.5 985.22 IS1009b C FIO084 2 990.0 992.902 990.02 992.902 Yeah shapes also , different shapes . Yeah that will 990.95 992.08 IS1009b C FIO084 2 993.403 994.202 993.71 994.06 Mm-hmm . 994.06 IS1009b B FIO087 1 996.204 996.947 996.23 996.87 Channels . 996.87 IS1009b C FIO084 2 996.289 996.895 996.41 996.77 Yeah . 996.77 IS1009b C FIO084 2 998.416 998.768 998.44 998.73 Yeah . 998.73 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1000.773 1006.466 1000.79 1006.466 Yeah , yeah , and also text should be very clear so that there there won't be any ambiguities and uh 1001.7 1002.07 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1000.96 1002.03 1000.99 1001.91 Mm , mm-hmm . 1001.7 1001.91 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1001.968 1002.485 1002.09 1002.43 Yes . 1002.43 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1005.776 1007.92 1005.87 1007.88 That's right , yeah . Now that's a good point . Yeah . 1006.45 1006.76 1007.66 1007.88 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1007.04 1007.941 1007.06 1007.88 So yeah . 1007.88 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1007.296 1007.778 1007.39 1007.74 Yes . 1007.74 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1008.912 1022.014 1008.93 1022.014 And uh display clock i if you want more features then we can display a clock it I I don't think it will take any money extra money because anyway we have an integrated circuit I think we can just definitely fit that feature into the circuit so it's - IS1009b D FIO089 3 1021.408 1029.056 1021.43 1029.056 Yeah , that's that's a good that's a good one , because the clock would be really friendly , and and when is your favourite show coming on and 1021.61 1023.35 1025.09 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1022.816 1025.328 1022.84 1025.29 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . Yes . 1023.65 1024.87 1025.29 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1022.898 1024.614 1023.13 1024.4 Yeah , and we display a clock . 1023.36 1024.4 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1023.312 1023.9 1023.34 1023.75 Mm yeah . 1023.75 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1025.451 1026.006 1025.62 1025.91 Yeah . 1025.91 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1026.896 1031.54 1026.92 1031.54 Yes . Yeah you're sitting there already or maybe you have no other uh 1028.09 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1027.487 1031.195 1027.53 1031.195 Yeah , and then you can just see your remote controller yeah yeah yeah so 1027.9 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1027.998 1029.628 1028.08 1029.4 Yes . 1029.4 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1030.747 1038.144 1030.85 1038.11 Yeah , and a lot of time there's not a clock on the screen , and you have to go somewhere but you just wanna look at the news for a minute . Yeah that's that's good , the clock is good . Okay . 1031.2 1032.93 1035.6 1036.48 1037.74 1038.11 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1033.136 1033.433 1033.16 1033.4 Yeah . 1033.4 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1037.088 1062.816 1037.11 1062.65 Yeah . Uh can you go to the next slide please ? Uh components uh the main components we need for uh it ha like buttons and uh underneath that there should be switch . And uh bulbs . Like uh we can have a bulb like whenever we are operating a remote controller or uh whenever the T_V_ is on suppose , then the remote controller should automatically have a b s light . 1038.12 1040.56 1048.8 1050.3 1058.51 1062.65 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1037.574 1039.592 1037.574 1039.39 Mm-hmm . 1039.39 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1058.273 1058.913 1058.33 1058.74 Hmm . 1058.74 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1063.152 1063.568 1063.18 1063.51 Mm-hmm . 1063.51 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1063.824 1078.944 1063.85 1078.8 Then it will be like if you switch on your T_V_ through anoth another source , not from through a remote remote controller and you you lost your remote controller maybe you can find with the light . Maybe we can have that . Whenever the T_V_ is on , remote controller will have a light . 1067.96 1074.56 1075.78 1077.03 1078.8 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1073.808 1074.515 1073.83 1074.15 Mm-hmm . 1074.15 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1079.152 1079.568 1079.18 1079.53 Mm-hmm . 1079.53 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1080.176 1085.863 1080.2 1085.76 And then uh infrared bulbs . Um this is like uh when it is dark . 1082.77 1085.76 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1082.672 1083.179 1082.71 1083.06 Mm-hmm . 1083.06 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1085.536 1086.384 1085.56 1086.35 Yeah , mm-hmm . 1085.98 1086.35 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1086.304 1086.608 1086.32 1086.57 Mm-hmm . 1086.57 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1086.656 1100.776 1086.68 1100.74 And battery , there should be a battery for power supply , and a chip , chip which is like a brain to the remote controller which does all the operations , and wires connecting all chips , which is uh lights , everything , so there should be wires . 1087.29 1090.22 1091.43 1095.21 1097.03 1098.85 1099.49 1100.74 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1090.192 1090.64 1090.23 1090.61 Mm-hmm . 1090.61 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1092.756 1093.344 1093.0 1093.27 Mm-hmm . 1093.27 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1099.152 1099.558 1099.19 1099.43 Yeah . 1099.43 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1099.824 1100.491 1099.88 1100.29 Okay . 1100.29 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1101.648 1112.064 1101.67 1112.03 And uh uh of course there should be a case where we can keep all the things and , you know different shapes or whatever it is there should be a case to put to give a shape . Yeah . 1106.52 1111.83 1112.03 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1110.656 1112.514 1110.68 1112.46 To keep the remote ? Yeah . 1111.85 1112.46 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1113.056 1113.552 1113.09 1113.52 Case . 1113.52 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1114.0 1116.662 1114.11 1116.49 A case holder . A holder remote holder . 1115.19 1116.49 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1115.053 1115.824 1115.1 1115.79 Yeah , holder . 1115.36 1115.79 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1116.048 1117.488 1116.13 1117.38 Holder , yeah , mm-hmm . 1116.61 1117.01 1117.38 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1120.063 1122.206 1120.17 1121.92 Um uh can you move onto the next slide . 1121.92 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1122.848 1124.693 1122.87 1124.64 Um next sli slide please . 1124.64 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1126.096 1138.532 1126.12 1138.5 Um I have referred the site uh the homepage of the um our website , uh from where I have uh uh I got s few points . 1134.15 1138.5 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1139.456 1139.92 1139.48 1139.8 Mm-hmm . 1139.8 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1139.908 1141.624 1140.21 1141.47 That's it , that's it from me now . 1140.57 1141.47 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1141.704 1142.256 1141.76 1142.16 Okay . 1142.16 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1147.134 1151.468 1147.15 1151.468 So it um we should visit this site and have a look at uh what's up there ? Or 1150.75 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1149.758 1151.472 1149.758 1151.39 Um . 1151.39 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1151.6 1152.784 1151.62 1152.74 Well , you don't have to . 1151.98 1152.74 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1152.72 1161.787 1152.75 1161.72 Uh it's not like that , I have referred the page to get new ideas or like what can be the working design to how it works and all and so and so . 1153.7 1161.72 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1157.44 1157.904 1157.46 1157.87 Okay . 1157.87 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1161.264 1163.87 1161.28 1163.75 Okay . So it might be helpful if we had a look at that . 1162.05 1163.75 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1164.48 1165.216 1164.5 1165.14 Yeah if you want . 1165.14 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1165.376 1166.4 1165.4 1166.35 Okay , thank you . 1166.03 1166.35 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1165.351 1166.644 1165.68 1166.46 Yeah , it's okay . 1166.08 1166.46 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1172.832 1176.128 1172.85 1176.07 Could you go back to that slide where she had that uh s slide up Betsy ? 1176.07 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1176.352 1179.342 1176.37 1179.26 Uh , it's actually there now , there on the screen . 1176.66 1178.41 1179.26 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1179.424 1179.824 1179.44 1179.79 This one ? 1179.79 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1180.096 1181.152 1180.12 1181.11 Yeah , okay , thank you . 1180.44 1180.8 1181.11 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1197.392 1199.36 1197.41 1199.18 And Francine ? 1199.18 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1198.73 1199.76 1199.03 1199.72 Participant two . 1199.72 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1200.384 1201.664 1200.4 1201.61 You are number two ? 1201.61 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1201.04 1202.768 1201.07 1202.73 Yes . No no , I'm three . 1202.09 1202.33 1202.73 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1202.928 1203.456 1203.06 1203.41 You're three . 1203.41 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1210.288 1238.256 1210.37 1238.22 I can make it full ? Yes yes yes . Okay . As uh User Interface Designer I did a little research to find out what are the features which a user would like to have on their remote . Yeah can you please go onto the next slide ? So I found out that uh but uh the main purpose of a remote is to uh f control the function of a television at a far off distance at remote distance . 1211.46 1213.71 1214.42 1224.22 1226.97 1238.22 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1210.688 1213.584 1210.71 1213.55 Would you want it full full screen ? Mm-hmm ? Okay . 1212.45 1213.18 1213.55 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1223.632 1224.096 1223.66 1224.0 Mm-hmm . 1224.0 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1225.424 1225.904 1225.44 1225.78 Mm-hmm . 1225.78 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1239.856 1268.08 1239.88 1267.93 Now for that , uh a remote controller should have a switch on off button by which a user can sit anywhere in the room in front of the T_V_ and he can control the functionalities different functionalities of the T_V_ . There should be a signal uh something like a radio wave or a infrared light or a LED which can be used to change the different functionalities in the television if the user wants to uh change the channels or increase the volume he can change it . 1240.81 1253.32 1267.93 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1247.726 1248.273 1247.85 1248.09 Mm-hmm . 1248.09 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1268.224 1268.624 1268.25 1268.57 Mm-hmm . 1268.57 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1269.744 1279.687 1269.78 1279.65 Now there should be some timer to set for viewing a particular a particular programme or switching on and off a uh a particular programme according to the user choice . 1279.65 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1278.992 1281.824 1279.01 1281.68 On the on on the remote . Yeah , mm-hmm . 1281.12 1281.44 1281.68 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1280.72 1281.984 1280.74 1281.95 Yes . Yes . 1281.51 1281.95 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1283.824 1321.6 1283.88 1321.53 So if if he want to view a particular programme at say nine o'clock he can set the time , and the T_V_ will automatically it will switch on at that particular time . So he can use that kind of uh uh properties of features and then there should be a child lock system if a particular channel is not to be viewed by a particular uh for a certain age , then the parents can lock that particular channel so that the ch children cannot view that channel . And uh the uh the uh and the one of the feature a user would like to have is the compactness of the co remote . 1289.51 1293.89 1306.58 1313.16 1321.53 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1286.322 1286.852 1286.43 1286.64 Mm-hmm . 1286.64 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1287.686 1288.176 1287.71 1288.12 Mm-hmm . 1288.12 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1289.424 1289.763 1289.44 1289.65 Right . 1289.65 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1293.024 1293.488 1293.07 1293.44 Mm-hmm . 1293.44 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1302.753 1303.385 1302.87 1303.25 Yes . 1303.25 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1304.844 1306.148 1304.86 1305.98 By your child , mm-hmm . 1305.73 1305.98 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1311.488 1311.856 1311.53 1311.82 Mm-hmm . 1311.82 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1312.528 1313.104 1312.63 1313.07 Mm-hmm . 1313.07 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1322.608 1323.168 1322.64 1323.12 Mm-hmm . 1323.12 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1323.088 1323.584 1323.11 1323.49 Mm-hmm . 1323.49 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1323.792 1342.128 1323.83 1342.09 Uh t the remote should be compact and it should ha it should have as many buttons as possible for controlling different functionalities of the T_V_ television . And um uh as uh uh this is my personal preference that it should be in the shape of a T_ in alphabet for more compactability . 1333.47 1342.09 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1342.288 1342.8 1342.32 1342.7 Mm-hmm . 1342.7 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1343.504 1375.392 1343.53 1375.23 And uh and uh and it is one more point which I noted it down , like uh the material which which which is used for remotes should be human friendly it should not cause any skin disease or something some al allergy to either children or to um ad adult person . And it should have an uh it can have an alarm clock a a person if some if somebody wants to get up at around eight eight P_M_ then he can set the time and it can be used as an alarm clock , and I don't think it will cost much to set an alarm clock inside a remote . 1348.16 1359.89 1371.24 1375.23 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1356.224 1356.637 1356.24 1356.53 Mm-hmm . 1356.53 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1358.19 1359.296 1358.24 1359.25 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 1358.86 1359.25 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1358.26 1358.912 1358.33 1358.85 Mm , 'kay . 1358.61 1358.85 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1366.915 1367.311 1366.95 1367.25 Mm . 1367.25 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1371.088 1371.643 1371.17 1371.47 Mm-hmm . 1371.47 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1374.641 1379.004 1374.91 1378.9 Yeah , sure . If there is a clock then there can be a alarm clock . 1375.35 1376.42 1378.9 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1376.0 1376.93 1376.1 1376.9 Mm-hmm . 1376.9 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1377.968 1380.349 1378.02 1380.3 And an alarm clock , yeah that should that should be okay . 1378.9 1380.3 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1378.16 1397.76 1378.3 1397.73 Yes , and as John Reece said the buttons can be , uh can me we can use the fluorescence to light up the buttons so different uh buttons will glow differently . So in even in the dark the user can know what buttons to use to switch on a particular channel . 1379.02 1382.32 1391.84 1397.73 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1399.12 1411.424 1399.14 1411.38 And uh uh the design of the uh um remote should be in such a way that there should not be any sharp projections so that if a child plays with a remote , he uh he should not be harmed in any way . 1408.86 1411.38 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1408.869 1409.282 1408.89 1409.25 Hmm . 1409.25 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1414.416 1434.432 1415.28 1434.432 And findings , uh I found out uh y um on different sites that uh there are different remotes which can be used , there are remotes which use the infrared for controlling the different functionalities , there are remotes which use the radio waves to control the functions and there are uh 1417.2 1424.12 1428.99 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1436.016 1445.168 1436.08 1445.13 So uh there you have different uh types of remotes for different light source which are used which can be used for controlling the different functionalities of a television . 1445.13 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1453.232 1454.127 1453.25 1454.07 Next slide . 1454.07 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1456.208 1492.432 1456.32 1492.28 And these are my few personal preferences like it can be used for a multipurpose use . Not , uh no uh like it can it can be used as a T_V_ control as plus an alarm clock to set an alarm a timing and it should have a child lock , and then to save electricity uh there should not be uh much s move uh lots of circuits and all that . And if a person if if if parents wants the television to be switched off by ten o'clock then it should be switched off ten o at ten o'clock automatically , so that nobody else comes later and use it . 1461.51 1462.01 1471.93 1479.88 1489.61 1492.28 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1491.196 1496.871 1491.24 1496.78 It's like a t okay , it's like a timer it's like a lock to the television . 1492.88 1496.78 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1493.728 1495.216 1493.75 1495.15 Timer , yeah , mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 1494.12 1494.43 1494.88 1495.15 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1494.304 1497.76 1494.32 1497.71 Timer . Yeah and then you can use a timer as well . 1495.47 1497.71 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1499.296 1499.854 1499.36 1499.76 Yes . 1499.76 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1501.408 1502.222 1501.48 1501.98 Yeah that's it . 1501.98 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1502.711 1506.027 1502.88 1506.027 Uh okay , now I have 1504.25 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1533.824 1566.608 1533.84 1566.54 On my slide show basically we already we have already done the agenda , and uh on the closing uh basically there will be lunch break and all that . However uh the decision we have to take in this meeting is who is our target group . And uh what function , working design , how how does it work . So these are the two things we should come up wit with . So uh the first thing is pro maybe a little easier on uh who is our target group . 1537.62 1542.75 1550.7 1553.96 1555.54 1557.34 1560.64 1566.54 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1550.283 1550.982 1550.283 1550.95 Okay . 1550.95 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1568.192 1568.994 1568.21 1568.83 Um . 1568.83 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1570.912 1572.672 1570.93 1572.63 I guess in many ways everybody . 1572.63 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1574.4 1576.313 1574.48 1576.21 Everybody who has a T_V_ . 1576.21 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1574.707 1576.903 1574.82 1576.85 Mm , T_V_ , yeah . 1576.07 1576.62 1576.85 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1576.51 1577.957 1576.57 1577.92 T_V_ television we was . 1577.92 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1577.92 1585.104 1577.98 1584.96 Yeah , and I think today there are probably not many people who don't have a T_V_ . There are a few but in general not . 1578.53 1583.14 1584.96 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1581.679 1583.513 1581.7 1583.48 Don't T_V_ , yeah . 1583.16 1583.48 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1586.73 1632.368 1586.73 1632.23 Now , talking about the target group which is in a sense everybody , but I think within the target group we have subgroups . We have we have earlier it was mentioned about um for example elderly people who have limited function with their fingers and hands , so I think that's uh one group that's certainly important . Um then we have just the nervous people who can never press a little button on anything um unless it's really very clear . And uh I don't know how much we want to cater to children's use . I mean that's a question um whether that's important that children can really use it or not . 1587.89 1591.49 1595.2 1605.19 1609.75 1618.45 1624.55 1632.23 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1601.52 1601.936 1601.54 1601.9 Mm-hmm . 1601.9 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1604.694 1605.216 1604.76 1605.06 Hmm . 1605.06 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1617.6 1618.0 1617.66 1617.96 Yeah . 1617.96 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1631.814 1632.496 1632.09 1632.3 Mm . 1632.3 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1634.448 1662.288 1634.47 1662.25 So this these are just some thoughts I have on it , and um I dunno what you feel about whether we can just say we have one target group and for this one target group we're gonna design this one thing or whether we're looking at what we like we we talking about different shapes , whether that different shape also includes maybe different uh buttons uh for different groups . 1637.14 1653.67 1662.25 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1636.997 1637.721 1637.07 1637.63 Mm-hmm . 1637.63 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1647.466 1647.946 1647.59 1647.74 Yeah . 1647.74 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1653.056 1653.595 1653.08 1653.51 Mm-hmm . 1653.51 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1658.72 1659.356 1658.74 1659.03 Mm-hmm . 1659.03 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1658.928 1659.376 1658.95 1659.33 Mm-hmm . 1659.33 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1662.736 1680.976 1662.76 1680.94 Well you know there's the old motto , children under six never shop alone . So if you've designed something that's very attractive to children um the mummy please mummy please um you know we want it now we wanna go to the store and see it um that has uh a lot of marketing pull . 1664.39 1667.37 1680.94 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1666.793 1667.366 1666.88 1667.27 Mm-hmm . 1667.27 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1678.76 1704.767 1678.76 1704.67 That has a lot of that has a lot of appeal but I think uh I'm I'm talking about the functionality now on it whether we're looking at different groups . I think the children issue can be addressed with the shape and with colours . You know , like you make it nice and pink , fluorescent , banana colour or whatever you know yeah , for example you know . But the question is really , who is our target group . 1688.47 1693.22 1693.71 1695.11 1695.75 1699.97 1701.78 1703.24 1704.67 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1680.967 1681.766 1681.65 1681.7 Mm . 1681.7 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1691.392 1691.841 1691.42 1691.81 Mm-hmm . 1691.81 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1692.72 1693.281 1692.74 1693.14 That's right . 1693.14 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1692.901 1693.263 1692.92 1693.23 Yeah . 1693.23 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1692.752 1693.888 1692.95 1693.74 Different colours . 1693.74 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1696.379 1697.077 1696.48 1696.91 Yes . 1696.91 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1697.603 1700.032 1697.62 1700.032 You can make a banana shaped one . 1699.8 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1698.959 1699.473 1699.07 1699.42 Yeah . 1699.42 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1701.168 1701.648 1701.2 1701.59 Mm . 1701.59 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1705.168 1705.744 1705.2 1705.71 Mm-hmm . 1705.71 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1706.239 1708.788 1706.239 1708.67 Do we look at one target group ? 1708.67 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1709.84 1721.181 1709.84 1720.9 And with the twenty five Euros you know can we can we afford to have uh I'm asking the technical people here whether um to look at - IS1009b A FIE088 0 1722.912 1729.702 1722.97 1729.66 sort of subgroups with maybe different buttons for each group how much would that throw us - IS1009b A FIE088 0 1730.72 1735.081 1730.74 1734.9 out of the cost we are supposed to respect ? 1734.9 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1733.44 1735.12 1733.47 1734.97 Respect . Mm . 1734.63 1734.97 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1735.776 1757.808 1735.87 1757.77 Okay . No uh generally we can we can design a remote which is mainly for people with uh f age from ten to um forty and and then we can add on uh specific functional buttons for children as well as the elderly people or the people wit with who have nervous problems , yes . 1736.96 1757.37 1757.77 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1747.12 1747.576 1747.14 1747.51 Right . 1747.51 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1755.36 1756.288 1755.38 1756.288 With with - IS1009b A FIE088 0 1757.232 1757.778 1757.29 1757.65 Mm-hmm . 1757.65 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1757.648 1764.555 1757.67 1764.45 We can design different remotes for different people , like for aged people there will be big buttons and you know . yeah . 1760.01 1764.17 1764.45 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1762.96 1763.997 1762.98 1763.997 Well that's that's - IS1009b B FIO087 1 1762.972 1776.256 1763.0 1776.256 But in a family in a family there will be a aged person , children and a middle aged but they cannot buy three different remotes . They would like to buy just one and um just one which can be used all the three uh 1766.11 1770.29 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1766.637 1768.128 1766.66 1768.09 Children and everybody , yeah . 1767.87 1768.09 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1775.662 1791.351 1775.78 1791.23 Yeah of course that we can do , but specifically if y if like elderly people want big buttons then you can't really make a bi big remote controller so maybe specifically you can design a big con remote controller for elderly and for children , like in a different you know . 1777.28 1790.2 1791.23 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1790.048 1793.284 1790.07 1793.23 What about the electronics ? That's not really gonna change much , is it ? 1791.32 1792.82 1793.23 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1791.538 1792.146 1791.56 1792.08 Yeah . 1792.08 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1792.192 1793.328 1792.21 1793.23 Cost effective . 1793.23 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1792.748 1794.714 1792.95 1794.46 No , it it doesn't cost , yeah . 1793.09 1794.17 1794.46 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1794.042 1797.008 1794.06 1796.88 That that w that won't change much , will it uh ? 1795.87 1796.88 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1794.039 1795.023 1794.14 1795.023 No - IS1009b C FIO084 2 1796.336 1798.813 1796.42 1798.72 Yeah . Doesn't doesn't doesn't matter . 1797.28 1798.72 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1797.85 1834.32 1797.85 1834.28 The the quest the question to be addressed here is only who is the target group and how will it function , and I think the how will it function is probably the question of the buttons you know , within the target group or subgroups . The question is only whether our budget will allow to have more than one design in a sense . I mean the basic design I understand will be the same , but the question is how much will that set us back if let's say uh forty percent we make large buttons and the rest we make regular buttons for example . 1803.8 1809.91 1812.72 1822.18 1824.31 1834.28 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1798.032 1799.303 1798.08 1799.11 I d I wouldn't think so . 1799.11 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1803.312 1803.76 1803.33 1803.73 Mm-hmm . 1803.73 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1809.424 1809.856 1809.47 1809.8 Yeah . 1809.8 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1821.744 1822.16 1821.76 1822.11 Yeah . 1822.11 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1831.841 1832.523 1832.06 1832.46 Okay . 1832.46 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1832.925 1833.472 1832.99 1833.3 Yeah . 1833.3 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1834.404 1834.864 1834.47 1834.81 Yeah . 1834.81 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1835.312 1843.568 1835.33 1843.53 So that remains to s to be seen but uh the target group as a whole is is basically everybody with a T_V_ . 1843.53 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1843.6 1867.708 1843.62 1867.54 That's right , and can we can we is it even feasible to make one one remote control with something for everyone , or would we have to use the same electronics and make three different shapes ? Um the same electronics and basically all that's gonna be different is the plastic case . And in that case we could probabl moulded plastic isn't all that expensive is it ? Um you as an industrial person ? 1844.57 1852.16 1856.58 1861.2 1865.75 1867.54 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1844.208 1844.577 1844.23 1844.54 Yes . 1844.54 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1855.306 1857.584 1855.53 1857.47 Yeah , well that's that's the question . 1855.79 1857.47 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1859.375 1860.912 1859.47 1860.82 Hmm hmm . 1860.82 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1865.796 1870.375 1866.14 1870.15 Uh no . Mm , I I I don't think no . It's not . 1866.61 1866.87 1869.47 1870.15 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1868.448 1903.744 1868.47 1903.71 Well maybe there's there's an idea you know t the new for example new portable phones ? They have like removable plastic cases , so you can have a striped one or you can have a fluorescent blue one , or whatever , and maybe something like that , that in each package you know you have you you have you have for example uh you have let's say a fluorescent blue on it but then you have uh another colour or stripe whatever that already comes in a package . And then if people really want more colours they can buy it separately . 1874.26 1878.16 1881.53 1882.77 1884.77 1900.4 1903.71 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1873.6 1874.064 1873.63 1874.03 Mm-hmm . 1874.03 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1877.872 1878.256 1877.89 1878.21 Yeah . 1878.21 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1882.114 1882.592 1882.22 1882.55 Mm-hmm . 1882.55 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1882.509 1883.266 1882.63 1882.97 Okay . 1882.97 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1887.232 1888.959 1887.25 1888.8 Well there's a real idea yeah . 1888.8 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1894.704 1895.088 1894.73 1895.05 Mm-hmm . 1895.05 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1899.535 1899.998 1899.66 1899.95 Hmm . 1899.95 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1900.396 1900.859 1900.42 1900.67 Yeah . 1900.67 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1904.368 1904.86 1904.39 1904.7 Right . 1904.7 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1904.592 1911.496 1904.62 1911.33 Yeah , like for mobile phones we have uh different you know covers , like designs and all so that w we can have that . 1904.83 1908.86 1911.33 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1905.04 1906.595 1905.07 1906.5 You know , yes . 1906.15 1906.5 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1905.057 1905.705 1905.21 1905.705 Um - IS1009b D FIO089 3 1908.608 1909.25 1908.64 1909.09 Mm-hmm . 1909.09 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1908.992 1909.55 1909.04 1909.29 Yes . 1909.29 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1909.248 1926.992 1909.27 1926.96 That's right , and but like if if then everybody is is is tired of the fluorescent blue and of the striped or whatever they have as another one in the package , then they can go to the store and for a few uh Francs or Euros whatever they can buy an alternate package with another two colours in it you know for example you know . 1909.82 1916.94 1926.96 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1910.469 1911.234 1910.56 1911.12 Uh yeah . 1911.12 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1919.168 1919.472 1919.19 1919.42 Yeah . 1919.42 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1922.256 1923.452 1922.28 1923.22 An alternate package . 1923.22 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1926.309 1927.28 1926.34 1927.25 Yeah . Okay . 1926.71 1927.25 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1927.728 1945.408 1927.75 1945.36 But uh yeah I I have a doubt like will it be cost wise effective if we if we design a remote having all the uh different features for different people or designing three different um remotes for three different categories of people . 1945.36 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1945.472 1970.66 1945.49 1970.66 Well I think I think the idea here is to uh to to d design one remote and what the only change is gonna be um the funct d t yeah uh the functional functional cosmetics if you want to put it that way , um having maybe larger buttons or buttons that light up or buttons that are slightly differently shaped for people uh either for children um 1961.11 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1945.73 1946.684 1945.88 1946.684 Yeah , but uh 1946.09 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1946.128 1948.677 1946.15 1948.41 Well I think we can only aff , yeah . 1947.98 1948.41 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1949.648 1950.128 1949.7 1950.09 Okay . 1950.09 IS1009b C FIO084 2 1949.984 1950.523 1950.04 1950.47 Yeah . 1950.47 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1954.006 1954.944 1954.03 1954.73 Cosmetic . 1954.73 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1955.682 1956.64 1955.75 1956.59 Of th okay . 1956.59 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1959.339 1960.038 1959.47 1959.98 Okay . 1959.98 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1960.784 1961.216 1960.82 1961.16 Mm-hmm . 1961.16 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1972.848 1975.6 1972.87 1975.56 Five minutes that was I guess tha that's the old message . 1975.56 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1977.536 1979.16 1977.56 1979.16 Warning , finish meeting now . 1978.05 1979.05 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1978.256 1982.448 1978.28 1982.41 Finish meeting now . Um um . 1979.44 1982.41 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1985.04 1989.181 1985.06 1989.181 Well we may have to come back to one or two of these points at our next meeting but um - IS1009b C FIO084 2 1986.656 1991.972 1986.68 1991.44 Yeah , maybe , yeah , yeah . If we do some more research , maybe we . 1987.1 1987.38 1988.54 1989.31 1990.6 1991.44 IS1009b A FIE088 0 1988.896 2000.288 1988.92 2000.23 But I think I I think to sum it up the target group is basically everybody . If money permits we can address some features for some subgroups within that . 1994.52 2000.23 IS1009b D FIO089 3 1999.136 1999.488 1999.16 1999.45 Mm-hmm . 1999.45 IS1009b B FIO087 1 1999.126 2000.832 1999.39 2000.79 Okay , mm-hmm . 2000.31 2000.79 IS1009b C FIO084 2 2000.272 2007.833 2000.29 2007.53 Hmm yeah , I think maybe seventy percent is a unique uh uh remote controller and thirty percent is yeah it's sort of like yeah . 2001.43 2007.53 IS1009b D FIO089 3 2001.12 2002.084 2001.14 2002.01 Okay but we have to l - IS1009b A FIE088 0 2000.935 2002.644 2001.45 2002.47 Do we agree , do we ? 2002.05 2002.47 IS1009b A FIE088 0 2004.72 2010.352 2004.74 2010.28 Do we agree on on that in principle , like money will tell whether we will be able to do that or not . 2007.03 2010.28 IS1009b C FIO084 2 2008.178 2010.144 2008.25 2009.91 Yeah , yeah , of course , yeah . 2008.68 2009.03 2009.58 2009.91 IS1009b D FIO089 3 2010.272 2011.745 2010.29 2011.59 Okay , fair enough . 2011.2 2011.59 IS1009b B FIO087 1 2010.436 2011.033 2010.48 2010.93 Yes . 2010.93 IS1009b A FIE088 0 2011.26 2014.63 2011.26 2014.47 Okay ? So now I understand it's lunch break . 2012.07 2014.47 IS1009b C FIO084 2 2011.968 2012.391 2011.99 2012.19 Mm-hmm . 2012.19 IS1009b A FIE088 0 2015.456 2016.409 2015.48 2016.31 And um . 2016.31 IS1009b A FIE088 0 2017.76 2019.296 2017.78 2019.22 So that's what we will do . 2019.22 IS1009b D FIO089 3 2019.216 2019.712 2019.24 2019.68 Okay . 2019.68 IS1009b B FIO087 1 2019.952 2020.6 2020.18 2020.44 Okay . 2020.44 IS1009b A FIE088 0 2021.6 2023.316 2022.2 2023.24 So hank you very much . 2023.24 IS1009b C FIO084 2 2022.775 2023.328 2022.8 2023.26 Thank you . 2023.26 IS1009b A FIE088 0 2024.238 2027.242 2024.39 2026.9 And we'll see you after lunch . 2026.9 IS1009c A FIE088 0 37.649 40.848 40.24 40.69 Okay . 40.69 IS1009c A FIE088 0 42.144 43.363 42.16 43.363 Hello everyone . 42.99 IS1009c C FIO084 2 42.23 43.472 43.25 43.42 Hi . 43.42 IS1009c D FIO089 3 43.346 43.952 43.37 43.8 Hi . 43.8 IS1009c B FIO087 1 43.686 44.16 43.77 44.09 Hi . 44.09 IS1009c A FIE088 0 44.768 47.264 44.79 47.18 Um how uh how we doing ? 47.18 IS1009c C FIO084 2 48.254 48.848 48.29 48.77 Yeah , good . 48.5 48.77 IS1009c A FIE088 0 49.248 68.736 49.27 68.7 Uh first we going uh over the minutes of the last meeting , more or less . Um in the last meeting uh the marketing manager had presented uh her method of working , meaning gathering i suggestions 54.94 56.25 66.63 IS1009c B FIO087 1 55.568 56.0 55.6 55.97 Mm-hmm . 55.97 IS1009c A FIE088 0 69.952 79.072 69.97 79.04 from everyone to see how she best could market uh this this product at the within the budget uh that was given . 79.04 IS1009c A FIE088 0 81.36 88.24 81.38 88.2 Uh in general the idea is that it should be something that is not difficult to use . 88.2 IS1009c A FIE088 0 89.728 101.008 89.75 100.97 Um it's also an item that people lose a lot . So we should address that . And , of course , it should be something 94.57 98.14 98.35 98.84 IS1009c A FIE088 0 101.887 104.192 101.96 104.16 s s that is very simple to use . 104.16 IS1009c A FIE088 0 105.536 117.15 105.56 116.76 In addition to that to make it sell , of course , uh the marketing manager w wishes that it be very attractive , or like she says put some sizzle into it in one way or another 107.98 108.75 113.43 IS1009c A FIE088 0 117.15 130.133 117.77 130.04 so that the people are buying it now because , in particular with smaller items , that's a very important fact , 'cause um if they say , well , I go home and think about it , that won't work . 121.39 123.21 125.7 127.18 127.79 129.24 130.04 IS1009c A FIE088 0 130.133 137.715 130.79 137.5 Um also mentioned was it should be uh it should have a very short learning curve . 137.5 IS1009c A FIE088 0 138.656 143.184 138.68 143.15 And maybe it could be sold by using a slogan . 143.15 IS1009c C FIO084 2 144.048 144.311 144.08 144.21 Hmm . 144.21 IS1009c A FIE088 0 144.863 151.673 144.863 151.56 Our technical manager has then said that she feels it should have a chip - IS1009c A FIE088 0 153.005 160.625 153.03 160.34 that has infra-red bits and it has an interface controls w interface that controls the chip . 160.34 IS1009c A FIE088 0 161.392 172.688 161.42 172.65 Therefore , messages uh will be controlled in the same manner . There should be extra features like lid buttons , maybe a beep . If too many buttons are pressed , 161.82 166.36 169.36 170.55 172.65 IS1009c A FIE088 0 173.824 183.872 173.85 183.872 mm uh uh child lock um and uh maybe a display clock so that people could um - IS1009c A FIE088 0 184.912 191.472 184.93 191.44 you could see the time , you know , what show they want to watch . Also mentioned was uh maybe different shapes . 185.85 186.13 188.18 191.44 IS1009c A FIE088 0 193.36 203.584 193.38 203.55 So the components of the thing should be button , bulbs , infra infra-red bulbs , battery , chips , wires , and maybe some kind of a holder 195.92 196.81 198.43 199.07 200.02 201.13 IS1009c A FIE088 0 204.656 208.576 204.68 208.54 uh for the for the uh item . 208.54 IS1009c A FIE088 0 210.24 228.768 210.26 228.56 Francino who is our um interface designer um uh has mentioned that the that it , of course , should have an on-off button , and also has mentioned an interesting feature that it should have maybe a channel lock . 222.13 222.45 224.41 228.56 IS1009c B FIO087 1 213.664 215.059 213.74 214.88 Interface designer . 214.88 IS1009c A FIE088 0 230.016 248.0 230.09 247.94 Particularly with maybe small children that they couldn't uh watch a channel that is undesirable . It should be compact . Her personal favourite was it should be T-shaped . And maybe have an anar alarm-clock . And the material should possibly be not of non-allergic nature . 235.61 236.83 240.93 243.26 247.94 IS1009c A FIE088 0 250.192 257.024 250.22 256.99 Uh the different systems uh that exist are infra-red or radio-waves . 256.99 IS1009c A FIE088 0 258.016 264.904 258.04 264.8 Uh maybe it should have uh electri electrici electricity saving feature . 264.8 IS1009c A FIE088 0 265.808 277.712 265.83 277.22 And even possibly a timer to so that people can program their favourite uh uh program on th right from the remote . 277.22 IS1009c B FIO087 1 277.216 277.856 277.31 277.82 Yes . 277.82 IS1009c A FIE088 0 279.056 285.211 279.09 285.08 Uh are we all in agreement that that's about what we discussed last time ? Okay . 284.52 285.08 IS1009c C FIO084 2 284.064 284.32 284.08 284.29 Yeah . 284.29 IS1009c B FIO087 1 284.24 284.681 284.27 284.56 Yes . 284.56 IS1009c D FIO089 3 284.656 286.814 284.68 286.62 Yeah , I think that pretty much is it . Yeah . Mm-hmm . 284.87 285.99 286.19 286.62 IS1009c A FIE088 0 286.592 299.808 286.592 299.75 Okay , then we I'm looking for three presentations . And uh I don't know whether the order matters much uh , I don't I don't think so , so whoever w wants Yeah , okay . 287.44 290.94 295.06 296.89 299.35 299.75 IS1009c B FIO087 1 297.304 299.358 297.33 299.26 Okay , I can start first . 297.93 299.26 IS1009c B FIO087 1 299.936 300.537 299.97 300.43 Okay . 300.43 IS1009c B FIO087 1 305.376 307.008 305.45 307.008 Now my slide , please . 306.36 306.74 IS1009c A FIE088 0 306.08 309.392 306.1 309.21 Okay , your slides . Okay . 306.48 307.34 309.21 IS1009c A FIE088 0 314.16 315.568 314.19 315.53 Oh , come on , close already . 314.27 314.86 315.53 IS1009c A FIE088 0 321.09 323.715 321.45 323.61 And that's number two , right ? 323.34 323.61 IS1009c B FIO087 1 323.808 324.176 323.83 324.1 Three . 324.1 IS1009c A FIE088 0 324.459 324.864 324.58 324.83 Three . 324.83 IS1009c B FIO087 1 325.776 326.739 325.8 326.67 Participant three . 326.67 IS1009c B FIO087 1 328.0 328.448 328.02 328.41 Yes . 328.41 IS1009c B FIO087 1 335.664 336.038 335.7 336.0 Okay . 336.0 IS1009c A FIE088 0 336.886 337.848 337.53 337.75 Okay . 337.75 IS1009c B FIO087 1 337.536 347.44 337.56 347.11 Now as an interface designer , I would give more emphasis on the interface , how the remote looks like so that it is sellable , it is attractive to customers . 339.48 341.96 345.08 347.11 IS1009c B FIO087 1 348.88 350.339 349.04 350.03 Next , please . 349.8 350.03 IS1009c B FIO087 1 351.296 371.296 351.32 371.25 Okay . Now the function of a remote is to send messages to the television . This messages could be uh switch on-off message or switch to next channel message or swapping the channels or switching onto a particular channel , like you can have the numbers one , two , three , four , up to nine . 351.7 356.89 367.77 369.52 369.78 370.02 370.43 371.25 IS1009c A FIE088 0 373.36 376.368 373.38 376.33 Nine what ? Nine channel uh switches ? 373.92 376.33 IS1009c B FIO087 1 377.312 377.728 377.33 377.69 Pardon me ? 377.69 IS1009c A FIE088 0 377.936 381.408 377.96 381.29 Nine channel switches ? Is Yeah . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 379.11 379.95 381.0 381.29 IS1009c B FIO087 1 379.12 381.008 379.14 380.91 Yes , nine numbers . 379.94 380.91 IS1009c B FIO087 1 382.88 393.168 382.97 393.13 And then you have swapping of uh button by which using which you can swap the channels if you don't want to see the third channel you can swap it to the fourth channel or vice versa . 393.13 IS1009c A FIE088 0 385.916 386.792 386.19 386.65 Mm-hmm . 386.65 IS1009c B FIO087 1 395.776 408.217 395.8 407.93 Then it should have a next button , and next button channel by which you can keep on uh v uh mm eh scrolling the channels one by one . Next slide , please . 398.11 406.85 407.55 407.93 IS1009c C FIO084 2 402.83 404.106 402.87 404.07 Going to the nex next . 404.07 IS1009c A FIE088 0 402.928 403.436 402.95 403.4 Mm-hmm . 403.4 IS1009c A FIE088 0 405.255 405.726 405.29 405.61 Mm-hmm . 405.61 IS1009c A FIE088 0 408.0 408.4 408.02 408.35 Mm-hmm . 408.35 IS1009c B FIO087 1 410.368 415.968 410.4 415.93 Then you should have a button which should which ca which can be used for increasing or decreasing the volume . 415.93 IS1009c A FIE088 0 416.048 416.656 416.14 416.57 Mm-hmm . 416.57 IS1009c B FIO087 1 418.08 439.744 418.1 439.69 Then , there should be a button which can give subtitles for a particular program which is going on a television . For example , if you are watching a French program and you would like to have a subtitles in English , then there should be a channel which can trigger this mechanism in the television so that the user can see uh the the subtitles on the screen . 418.57 424.59 425.21 430.76 439.69 IS1009c A FIE088 0 430.704 431.3 430.74 431.07 Mm-hmm . 431.07 IS1009c B FIO087 1 441.728 453.072 441.93 453.03 Then there should d uh there should be some buttons which can control features like the colour , colour of the picture , the contrast , sharpness , brightness of the picture . 447.67 448.75 449.77 450.65 453.03 IS1009c B FIO087 1 456.752 458.784 456.77 458.73 Now there should be a memory switch . 458.73 IS1009c B FIO087 1 462.688 488.88 462.72 488.84 There should be a mute button . Suddenly if if if uh uh viewer he gets a telephone call , and if he want he doesn't want to switch off the uh T_V_ , but he he can reduce the sound , he can bring the volume down and he can watch he can uh while talking he can watch the T_V_ . Now the most important feature I would like to have in my remote would be the speech recognition feature . 464.72 469.31 473.01 475.16 482.36 488.84 IS1009c B FIO087 1 490.432 495.856 490.45 495.72 It's an integrated progra programmable sample sensor speaker unit . 495.72 IS1009c B FIO087 1 498.496 507.12 498.52 507.09 So a remote can be th can be uh designed which can have the voice recognisers , you can record your own voice 504.66 IS1009c A FIE088 0 509.456 509.984 509.48 509.95 Mm-hmm . 509.95 IS1009c B FIO087 1 510.352 539.344 510.39 539.31 which can be recognised by as voice recogniser in the television , for example , if you want to see we if you want to see the ninth channel if you say just say ninth channel , uh th now the the uh yeah , the remote will automatically it will switch to the ninth channel . So the T_V_ will have some recogniser which will recognise the user's voice and accordingly it will change its functionalities . So this is one of the very important feature a remote control can have . 514.7 515.18 521.89 524.01 528.11 535.86 539.31 IS1009c A FIE088 0 524.13 524.944 524.19 524.51 Mm-hmm . 524.51 IS1009c A FIE088 0 527.6 528.096 527.63 527.98 Mm-hmm . 527.98 IS1009c A FIE088 0 534.928 536.09 535.0 536.0 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 535.66 536.0 IS1009c B FIO087 1 541.152 545.424 541.18 545.27 So this is one one of the interface which can be created . 545.27 IS1009c A FIE088 0 546.8 547.37 546.82 547.18 Mm-hmm . 547.18 IS1009c B FIO087 1 547.152 552.32 547.2 552.29 A very simple interface which has all the t uh uh important features . 552.29 IS1009c B FIO087 1 553.344 554.464 553.37 554.43 Then , please , next slide . 553.7 553.95 554.43 IS1009c A FIE088 0 553.808 554.867 553.84 554.77 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 554.55 554.77 IS1009c B FIO087 1 555.712 578.255 555.73 578.1 Then , these are some of the remotes which are different in shape and colour , but they have many buttons . So uh sometimes the user finds it very difficult to recognise which button is for what function and all that . So you can you can design an interface which is very simple , and which is user-friendly . Even a kid can use that . So can you go on t t uh to the next slide . 556.13 560.03 562.63 568.61 572.37 573.6 575.96 578.1 IS1009c A FIE088 0 562.112 562.773 562.14 562.64 Mm-hmm . 562.64 IS1009c A FIE088 0 575.744 576.285 575.77 576.11 Mm-hmm . 576.11 IS1009c B FIO087 1 578.962 592.864 579.0 592.82 Yeah , so this is one of the interface or one of the remote which has this vi voice recogniser . And this has multi-purpose use , it can be used for T_V_ , it can be used for cable-satellite , it can be used for V_C_R_ , D_V_D_s and audio . 579.57 585.06 586.79 588.09 590.13 591.37 592.82 IS1009c A FIE088 0 584.864 585.406 584.88 585.29 Mm-hmm . 585.29 IS1009c B FIO087 1 595.168 597.776 595.19 597.66 And this has in-built voice recogniser . 597.66 IS1009c B FIO087 1 601.632 620.256 601.65 620.22 Can you go on to the next slide ? Yeah , now this is an interface for a chil uh for a remote uh uh which a child can use . Uh this is user-friendly , it's very attractive and uh children can use it as well as they can play with it . And this comes with different colours , different shapes . 603.35 603.77 610.14 611.36 616.64 619.15 620.22 IS1009c A FIE088 0 609.872 610.33 609.9 610.25 Mm-hmm . 610.25 IS1009c C FIO084 2 620.816 621.183 620.84 620.95 Mm . 620.95 IS1009c A FIE088 0 626.283 627.164 626.71 626.97 Mm-hmm . 626.97 IS1009c B FIO087 1 626.912 637.261 626.93 637.23 And this this uh child uh interface has minimum buttons and all the important uh buttons are there in this small , compact , 636.5 637.23 IS1009c B FIO087 1 638.112 640.816 638.15 640.76 attractive child interface . 640.76 IS1009c B FIO087 1 646.544 658.096 646.56 658.096 Next slide , please . Now this is a big over-sized remote which cannot be misplaced or it's impossible to misplace . this . 647.08 647.79 656.94 657.85 IS1009c D FIO089 3 656.288 663.12 656.32 663.12 You don't know me . I could lose that in a minute . 657.48 662.86 IS1009c B FIO087 1 661.12 672.576 661.14 672.576 So this is No this is a very big , you cannot misplace it anywhere . So this is a jumbo universal remote control and it's impossible to im misplace or lose . 664.15 667.29 672.5 IS1009c A FIE088 0 672.736 673.271 672.77 673.22 Mm-hmm . 673.22 IS1009c B FIO087 1 673.872 676.848 673.89 676.848 This i this is one such interface which can be created . 676.48 IS1009c B FIO087 1 678.352 689.904 678.37 689.86 And the personal preference uh would be a spe uh uh to incorporate speech recognisers uh which will respond to user's voice for a particular uh function . 689.86 IS1009c A FIE088 0 688.187 688.927 688.49 688.84 Mm-hmm . 688.84 IS1009c A FIE088 0 690.477 690.813 690.57 690.76 Right . 690.76 IS1009c B FIO087 1 691.952 692.947 691.97 692.947 Thank you , that's 692.3 IS1009c A FIE088 0 693.504 694.113 693.53 693.98 Mm-hmm . 693.98 IS1009c A FIE088 0 711.456 716.944 711.48 716.81 Okay , thank you very much . Uh any comments on uh her presentation ? 712.37 713.67 716.81 IS1009c D FIO089 3 720.352 750.573 720.37 750.47 Well , um looks like we still have quite a choice of things out there . Um what uh I'm No suggestion's bad . But uh we're gonna have to narrow it down a little more . I don't think that we can get uh The T-shape is good , the child one is good , the too big to misplace , I think it's just funny . Um I don't think that's gonna be our impulse purchase at the checkout counter . It's it's gonna be a little bit too unwieldy . 720.73 724.94 728.92 731.78 736.09 737.86 739.11 740.06 748.14 750.47 IS1009c C FIO084 2 724.352 724.752 724.39 724.67 Mm-hmm . 724.67 IS1009c B FIO087 1 728.704 729.164 728.73 728.96 Mm yes . 728.96 IS1009c B FIO087 1 740.384 742.752 740.4 742.752 Okay . 742.56 IS1009c A FIE088 0 742.256 744.116 742.29 744.116 Yeah , I I th I think 742.63 IS1009c B FIO087 1 747.232 748.745 747.79 748.745 Okay . 748.51 IS1009c A FIE088 0 749.328 763.361 749.36 763.2 No , I think the these are her presentations , but uh as far as the decision making we getting to that after after but if I just wanted to know whether anybody had any any anything to add to her presentation . 749.6 751.79 763.2 IS1009c D FIO089 3 751.568 752.498 751.59 752.31 Yeah mm . Mm-hmm . 752.07 752.31 IS1009c D FIO089 3 754.736 756.656 754.76 756.62 Have to come back to that later . Okay . 756.17 756.62 IS1009c B FIO087 1 755.616 756.085 755.64 755.93 We can . 755.93 IS1009c D FIO089 3 762.48 766.852 762.54 766.69 No , I think her presentation was good , and she really explored all the options . Yeah . 762.73 764.1 766.43 766.69 IS1009c A FIE088 0 764.119 764.49 764.18 764.42 Mm right . 764.42 IS1009c A FIE088 0 766.416 769.603 766.47 769.47 Mm-hmm . Ho who wants to go next um ? 767.35 769.47 IS1009c C FIO084 2 770.064 770.759 770.14 770.7 Yeah , maybe . 770.44 770.7 IS1009c A FIE088 0 770.608 772.267 770.63 772.267 Mm-hmm . Okay , and you 770.9 771.41 IS1009c C FIO084 2 771.836 772.928 772.09 772.82 Participant two . 772.82 IS1009c A FIE088 0 776.96 777.952 777.11 777.78 Uh okay . 777.78 IS1009c C FIO084 2 778.24 781.36 778.3 781.22 Uh the next one , sorry . It's it was the old one . 779.41 780.1 781.22 IS1009c A FIE088 0 779.552 780.048 779.59 780.01 Oops . 780.01 IS1009c C FIO084 2 787.568 788.245 787.59 788.21 Components . 788.21 IS1009c A FIE088 0 787.584 790.112 787.6 789.96 The components design . Mm-hmm . Okay . 788.72 789.47 789.96 IS1009c C FIO084 2 796.96 809.481 796.98 809.45 Um this time I'm I'm going to um concentrate more on the components and the technical side of the remote controller design . Uh , can you go on to the next slide , please . 807.15 807.51 809.15 809.45 IS1009c D FIO089 3 803.296 804.0 803.33 803.94 Mm-hmm . 803.94 IS1009c A FIE088 0 808.304 808.677 808.35 808.54 Mm-hmm . 808.54 IS1009c C FIO084 2 809.818 824.296 810.13 824.296 I have just brief uh down few uh components which we require for the remote control uh construction . Uh the first one is case to keep all the components like integrated circuit , battery , etcetera , etcetera , it's like 817.22 822.23 822.83 823.33 823.78 IS1009c C FIO084 2 824.496 843.584 824.52 843.49 Uh it can be a plastic one , hard plastic , so that it can be strong , even if you just uh uh , you know , if you if it falls down , then it doesn't break . So it should be strong . And uh uh there are no harmful materials used in that . And it should be recyclable . 826.96 828.28 829.74 831.82 832.21 834.08 835.49 837.53 841.99 843.49 IS1009c A FIE088 0 837.328 837.771 837.36 837.74 Mm-hmm . 837.74 IS1009c A FIE088 0 844.704 845.264 844.73 845.18 Mm-hmm . 845.18 IS1009c C FIO084 2 845.184 858.416 845.23 858.23 Uh and uh , yeah , and also uh using of colouring compon components like uh if we want to have different colours , blue , red , green , so uh uh we have to use uh some colouring compone compone components . 846.75 847.12 852.3 852.73 853.09 854.06 858.23 IS1009c D FIO089 3 845.68 846.576 845.72 846.54 Mm-hmm . Good point . 846.11 846.54 IS1009c C FIO084 2 858.585 900.528 858.84 900.48 And uh the second important thing is uh uh uh integrated circuit . Uh which uh we can use a highly sophisticated one because it's like the it's like the heart of the remote controller . If it is not efficient then everything wi is going to be uh like um the lef ess less efficient so it you should we should have a highly sophisticated one . And it should be resistant to high as well as uh low temperatures . Suppose if it is thirty-eight degrees outside forty degrees outside , it should it should uh be able to re uh resist the uh temperature uh uh highs and uh high temperatures and low temperatures . And uh it should be with uh um equipped with timer and alarm facility . 864.44 870.57 879.57 883.48 886.88 895.79 900.48 IS1009c C FIO084 2 901.379 923.632 901.4 923.6 And the uh other component we should uh we have in the remote controller is a resistor uh which is like uh uh i it is very very much important for the electricity uh flow through through through the uh remote controller and uh also a capacitor which is a b which is a m I think it's it's like a battery , capacitor . Can you go on to the next slide , please ? 921.06 921.99 923.27 923.6 IS1009c D FIO089 3 922.128 922.496 922.16 922.43 Mm-hmm . 922.43 IS1009c A FIE088 0 923.616 924.154 923.64 924.03 Mm-hmm . 924.03 IS1009c C FIO084 2 926.032 941.09 926.05 941.09 Uh a diode , a transistor , a resonator , these are all this uh technical uh electri electronic compons uh components which are which we have to use in a remote controller . A battery uh , I would like to suggest one thing uh if we 927.62 928.99 930.19 936.92 937.96 IS1009c C FIO084 2 941.595 967.519 941.62 967.48 uh if we will be able to make a res rechargeable battery then we sh we need not go for a high performance battery , even if it is a low performance battery it ca it can't l it can't charge much . It it it's not a high voltage battery . Then also we can If it is a rechargeable one , then uh people can use it for a long time , so in that way we can cut cut the cost , but w uh uh that we have to make the battery as rechargeable one . 950.16 954.34 956.28 958.99 960.94 963.3 967.48 IS1009c D FIO089 3 950.016 950.46 950.04 950.38 Mm-hmm . 950.38 IS1009c C FIO084 2 968.092 978.528 968.32 978.528 And we we have a circuit board uh in a remote controller . Can you go to the next slide , please . And how it works , how the remote controller works . When you press a button 972.15 973.7 974.46 975.61 977.54 IS1009c A FIE088 0 984.496 984.928 984.52 984.89 Go away . 984.89 IS1009c C FIO084 2 986.374 1017.746 986.39 1017.7 Thank you . Uh when you press a button , when you do that , you complete a specific connection that means when you when you press a button there will be a s a small circuit underneath the button , and it will send some signals through the wires , and then uh the chip will send start connection and knows that which button is pressed . Suppose you have pressed channel one button , number one you have pressed , then the uh chip will know that the number one button was pressed . It pros produces a mors morse code line signal specific to that button . 987.14 988.33 989.82 997.92 1001.07 1006.04 1008.11 1009.63 1013.97 1017.7 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1018.147 1046.531 1018.28 1046.34 Every button , every individual button , has its own morse code . Suppose uh the uh user has pressed butto button one , then it will have a spe the circuit will generate a specific morse code to b that that button , and the transistor will amplify the signal and send then to the L_E_D_ which translates the signal into infrared light . Like you have got a signal by pressing a button . That's a d a morse code has been generated by the integrated circuit . 1019.24 1020.26 1021.81 1025.48 1031.51 1038.96 1042.47 1046.34 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1046.879 1084.278 1046.9 1084.06 Now , that signal , that morse code , has to be amplified by the transistor . That is the use of transist transistor we which we use in the remote controller . It will amplify the signal and it will send it to the L_E_D_ and which translates the signal into an infra infrared bits . The sensor on the T_V_ can see the infrared light , and seeing the signal seeing the signal re it reacts appropriately , that when it sees the amplified mo morse code signal , then it will uh it will uh know which uh what what action it has to uh do . Then it will do the appropriate action . So uh this is how the remote controller works . 1047.25 1048.04 1048.76 1050.88 1054.49 1062.05 1064.44 1069.14 1072.61 1078.71 1081.0 1084.06 IS1009c B FIO087 1 1083.757 1084.271 1083.82 1084.16 It works . 1084.16 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1085.997 1087.444 1086.08 1087.39 Can you go to the next slide , please . 1087.08 1087.39 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1088.16 1097.783 1088.18 1097.75 Yeah , I have few pictures . When you look at the uh um remote controller uh it's it's it this is a normal remote controller . And to the next slide , please . 1088.38 1089.5 1096.02 1097.43 1097.75 IS1009c D FIO089 3 1095.536 1095.92 1095.56 1095.83 Mm-hmm . 1095.83 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1099.136 1122.56 1099.16 1122.52 And where we had a a few buttons and all . And uh if you open the remote controller you have this circui circuit board and few electronic components , like you can see a chip there which is having eighteen pins , and also a capac uh a capacitor , three resistors and also a resonator uh um mm yeah , and di and a diode transistor . 1101.76 1107.81 1112.06 1114.84 1120.75 1122.52 IS1009c D FIO089 3 1106.128 1106.496 1106.15 1106.45 Mm-hmm . 1106.45 IS1009c D FIO089 3 1109.735 1110.144 1109.75 1110.1 Mm-hmm . 1110.1 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1110.112 1110.519 1110.14 1110.38 Mm-hmm . 1110.38 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1123.584 1123.872 1123.6 1123.84 Mm-hmm . 1123.84 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1124.08 1131.68 1124.1 1131.65 The electronic components uh all of the electronic components have all those uh things like a chip and d diode transistors an - IS1009c C FIO084 2 1134.096 1141.616 1134.12 1141.56 Yeah , di um can y uh you can see the T_A_ double one eight three five labelled uh chip um . 1134.35 1141.56 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1138.88 1140.496 1138.92 1140.46 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 1140.15 1140.46 IS1009c B FIO087 1 1139.536 1140.109 1139.58 1140.05 Mm yes . 1140.05 IS1009c D FIO089 3 1140.784 1141.125 1140.8 1141.09 Yes . 1141.09 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1142.72 1164.131 1142.74 1163.87 Uh you can also see the uh uh the green two green things are uh these are they are they are resistors , and uh just beside that you can see a transistor , and a uh uh cylinder shape , uh that one is a capacitor . Uh and also there are uh um resistors uh sorry , ther there is a diode . Can you go go on to the next slide . 1149.4 1152.4 1154.62 1156.95 1160.42 1162.37 1163.87 IS1009c B FIO087 1 1149.248 1149.79 1149.28 1149.71 Mm-hmm . 1149.71 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1161.952 1163.464 1161.97 1163.35 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 1163.03 1163.35 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1164.96 1205.344 1164.98 1205.31 So uh this is the circuit board . The green one is a circuit board . Actually , uh building a circuit bo board is pretty pretty uh easy and also it's a it's a l l inexpensive . Uh it's it costs less than what you print on a paper , because uh uh when you when you are building uh some circuits some um uh circuits and also wires , it's it's better to go for printing , because uh you can build these kind of k circuit boards on a on a bulk and it's just printing , nothing like uh , you know , you don't need to use wires and all . It's not exactly wires we are using . It's just printing something on a board . Tha tho those prints will acti act as wires and ci uh circuits . 1166.63 1168.62 1169.08 1175.06 1178.5 1184.89 1187.46 1193.12 1194.1 1194.41 1196.07 1198.42 1201.32 1205.31 IS1009c B FIO087 1 1193.36 1193.896 1193.38 1193.76 Mm-hmm . 1193.76 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1206.688 1230.728 1206.71 1230.67 So th that green uh thing is a circuit board , and also you can see uh there are b s like uh um access for buttons , like when you press a button , the circuit under the button will be activated uh th it will it will he get some signals from it and it will uh it will ch its ch se send a signal signals to the , yeah , um integrated circuit . Can you go to the next slide , please . 1209.79 1215.08 1217.1 1227.49 1227.72 1229.29 1230.5 1230.67 IS1009c B FIO087 1 1224.49 1225.193 1224.56 1225.0 Transmit . 1225.0 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1231.216 1239.077 1231.24 1239.04 Uh so this is these are the circuits un underneath the buttons . Uh can you see the black uh , round marks ? They they are the circuits . 1235.28 1236.93 1237.81 1239.04 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1237.488 1237.959 1237.53 1237.85 Mm-hmm . 1237.85 IS1009c D FIO089 3 1237.808 1238.199 1237.83 1238.13 Yes . 1238.13 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1239.958 1285.888 1239.98 1285.81 Next , please . And um like uh we have uh designed uh before we have seen some uh few things like instead off buttons we have some scrolls . Uh b but a b a push-button requires a simple chip underneath it , but whereas a scroll wheel requires normally a regular chip which is a higher price range . Like for s scrolls we have to go for a sophisticated and and k uh uh uh full a complete chip . Uh and a as energy source we offer a basic battery , a more ingenious uh hard dynamo , um a kinetic provision of energy , more than what is that you shake casually to provide energy . So that also we can have in a battery , uh or we can use solar sells . Uh . 1240.23 1241.13 1250.76 1254.82 1260.04 1266.66 1270.44 1273.06 1276.68 1279.68 1282.3 1285.35 1285.81 IS1009c D FIO089 3 1259.936 1260.304 1259.97 1260.27 Okay . 1260.27 IS1009c B FIO087 1 1263.552 1264.027 1263.62 1263.84 Okay . 1263.84 IS1009c D FIO089 3 1285.28 1286.576 1285.3 1286.54 Hmm , that's interesting . 1285.87 1286.54 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1287.296 1287.648 1287.33 1287.59 Yeah . 1287.59 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1289.84 1301.792 1289.93 1301.62 Uh yeah uh the product can be de delivered into different cases . Uh usually , the cases and card flat that w we see usually uh d uh a normal remote controller . Um . 1293.58 1294.34 1301.24 1301.62 IS1009c B FIO087 1 1297.133 1297.651 1297.17 1297.47 Okay . 1297.47 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1302.816 1307.612 1302.84 1307.39 Okay . And you have more pictures . Uh we have five minutes to the end of the meeting . 1304.09 1305.22 1307.39 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1303.552 1303.968 1303.58 1303.93 Yeah . 1303.93 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1306.704 1310.944 1306.72 1310.79 Yeah , maybe d uh I have just one more slide , I think . Um . 1306.99 1309.17 1310.29 1310.79 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1312.112 1335.952 1312.14 1335.92 Like we can have a ma material such as plastic , rubber , wood , titanium , but titanium we can't use . Um and also for electronics we can use a simple and regular um re or an advanced chip on the print , um also infra it includes the infrared se sender . Um yeah the uh for the movie just to j develop uh samples and so spe sample speaker . 1314.65 1314.93 1315.44 1316.0 1318.05 1325.83 1329.75 1335.92 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1335.952 1338.377 1337.16 1338.3 An Yeah , that's it . 1337.93 1338.3 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1339.2 1340.458 1339.22 1340.42 It's all for me now , thank you . 1340.12 1340.42 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1340.256 1341.28 1340.33 1341.13 Okay , well thank you . 1340.6 1341.13 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1342.464 1345.849 1342.48 1345.77 Any particular comments by anybody ? 1345.77 IS1009c D FIO089 3 1346.464 1352.864 1346.48 1352.75 Uh yeah , on the scroll and the push-button , um ca you can achieve scrolling by repeatedly pushing a button ? 1347.02 1348.9 1352.75 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1353.504 1374.464 1353.52 1374.38 No , no , no , th the the the scrolling wheels are different , like you can go for a sw switches like buttons or scrolls , uh which which we used to do before ten ten years before , I think . Now , nobody uses that because you need you need a a k sophisticated chip and all . So I think it's better we go for uh um ordinary buttons . Yeah uh yeah , push-buttons . Yeah . Yeah . 1353.61 1353.74 1353.84 1355.97 1359.67 1362.85 1363.26 1363.76 1367.83 1371.72 1372.63 1373.25 1373.96 1374.38 IS1009c D FIO089 3 1359.248 1359.664 1359.27 1359.63 Mm-hmm . 1359.63 IS1009c D FIO089 3 1368.318 1368.655 1368.34 1368.52 Um . 1368.52 IS1009c D FIO089 3 1371.072 1374.752 1371.09 1374.69 We'll just go for push buttons for in the interest of cost . Okay . 1374.42 1374.69 IS1009c B FIO087 1 1372.365 1373.136 1372.41 1373.1 Push-buttons . 1373.1 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1374.928 1382.781 1374.98 1382.69 We don't have a lot of time left and we will still have to make a decision , and the marketing expert has to present her her thing . 1378.1 1382.69 IS1009c D FIO089 3 1381.136 1383.536 1381.16 1383.48 Okay . Go right to my first my next slide . 1381.88 1383.48 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1383.664 1384.912 1383.83 1384.86 Uh okay . 1384.86 IS1009c D FIO089 3 1386.336 1514.736 1386.41 1514.7 Um alright , my method is uh I'm interested in what the competition is doing , and wanna see how we can make ourselves different from the competition , so I've really been looking at the press and the ads that are out there for other remote controllers . I s I spend a lot of time on the internet um surfing around doing the same thing . And then when I'm out um in people's houses or at meetings or anything like that , I try to notice what kind of remote controls people have , and if it's convenient in the conversation I ask about it . And I would encourage you all to do the same . Um and my findings from this is that , you know , small is beautiful . Um people like something that really fits in their hand . Simple is beautiful . They don't want to have to squint at small print um , they want buttons whose functions are obvious , and they want um as few buttons as possible , and they don't care for the mode thing . They want each button to do something . And eye-catching is important . It's gotta look cute , it's gotta look appealing . Go ahead , I'm trying to finish fast for you . Um and our preference is , as far as I'm concerned , are we got to get to the market before the competition . Ours has to be look really great and it has to come out before the others , so that we have a leg up on time to sell it and push it before other people get out their Christmas item . And we should develop one or two features we can really dwell on in our ad campaign . If we try to tell people it has too many great features , um the consumer just gets confused and we don't get anywhere . So we've gotta narrow our selection down to li two things , I think , that we gonna say are really great about our our our new product . And I've been looking around um at what designs every year different things are popular . And in my research this year I found out that fruit and vegetable shapes are really popular . And people are tired of hard plastic and hard metal . They are more back into soft feel , spongy feeling things , things with maybe a little cloth on them . So those are things maybe we wanna look at as far as saleability of the item . 1387.81 1392.47 1395.91 1402.22 1407.93 1413.46 1416.6 1418.86 1421.48 1424.71 1424.95 1426.85 1430.16 1431.44 1435.52 1438.39 1441.1 1443.55 1445.58 1446.76 1447.76 1449.23 1449.58 1451.45 1454.35 1455.52 1457.82 1462.5 1468.4 1473.54 1477.23 1480.32 1483.92 1484.31 1488.72 1494.81 1499.39 1503.24 1505.81 1507.49 1509.82 1514.7 IS1009c B FIO087 1 1429.577 1430.128 1429.75 1430.06 'Kay . 1430.06 IS1009c B FIO087 1 1514.896 1515.312 1514.93 1515.28 Mm-hmm . 1515.28 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1517.152 1520.544 1517.17 1520.29 Okay . Uh that 1518.2 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1521.984 1532.145 1522.0 1532.03 concludes the presentation of everyone . And what we really have to decide in this meeting is um the concept of the remote . 1524.85 1532.03 IS1009c D FIO089 3 1532.416 1532.896 1532.45 1532.84 Mm-hmm . 1532.84 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1533.6 1540.268 1533.62 1540.15 And uh so what do we think on the concept - IS1009c A FIE088 0 1541.104 1542.053 1541.12 1541.94 of the remote ? 1541.94 IS1009c D FIO089 3 1545.168 1549.05 1545.19 1548.97 You wanna try to come back to yours , and limit yours a bit ? 1547.08 1548.97 IS1009c B FIO087 1 1547.568 1551.888 1547.66 1551.84 Uh yes , I would like to include this feature which is called as voice recogniser . 1548.2 1551.84 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1547.828 1548.789 1547.99 1548.789 Y - IS1009c A FIE088 0 1552.189 1554.917 1552.189 1554.917 Okay . Mm-hmm . 1553.61 1554.46 IS1009c D FIO089 3 1552.112 1552.672 1552.21 1552.54 Okay . 1552.54 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1554.464 1554.88 1554.5 1554.81 Mm-hmm . 1554.81 IS1009c D FIO089 3 1556.288 1559.488 1556.31 1559.45 So speech recognition is most important as far as you're concerned ? 1559.45 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1559.408 1559.856 1559.51 1559.8 Yeah , but w 1559.61 IS1009c B FIO087 1 1559.92 1562.688 1559.94 1562.54 This could be uh one feature which could be sellable . 1562.54 IS1009c D FIO089 3 1562.736 1567.968 1562.76 1567.93 Yeah h that could that could that could be our star feature . That that be really good , yeah , I agree with that . 1565.29 1566.6 1567.22 1567.93 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1563.453 1563.823 1563.53 1563.74 Yeah . 1563.74 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1563.68 1564.559 1563.7 1564.559 I think that's - IS1009c C FIO084 2 1566.631 1578.206 1566.82 1578.09 Yeah , but but I what I'm uh very very much doubtful how how uh far it will work , because a speech recogniser like i it it has its own uh uh problems , issues . 1567.54 1572.87 1577.57 1578.09 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1566.96 1567.468 1566.99 1567.43 Mm-hmm . 1567.43 IS1009c D FIO089 3 1577.072 1578.208 1577.14 1578.17 Distance problem ? 1578.17 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1578.542 1587.633 1578.56 1587.44 Yeah , it's not distance problem it it's recognising a person's voice , like maybe different people will be having different voices , so it like it's uh everything so i 1578.75 1581.96 1584.57 IS1009c B FIO087 1 1580.032 1580.4 1580.06 1580.37 Mm-hmm . 1580.37 IS1009c D FIO089 3 1584.8 1585.328 1584.87 1585.27 Uh . 1585.27 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1586.162 1589.296 1586.54 1589.296 Well , you you teach You have to teach uh 1586.86 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1588.73 1593.444 1588.75 1593.24 So to get a good recogni recognising system , it's a costly thing , I think . 1591.75 1592.99 1593.24 IS1009c B FIO087 1 1591.168 1620.326 1591.21 1620.29 No , it's it's , uh yeah , it it's like your recording of uh all uh um a question already , and then you're expecting an answer from th For example , you have a T_V_ system , I'm the user and my family members are the user , I will already record uh a question like , uh good morning , like around eight o'clock I want to see the news in the television . So I'll say just good morning and the T_V_ will switch on . It will recognise my voice and will switch on . 1591.44 1592.22 1592.7 1598.44 1601.11 1602.29 1605.91 1609.92 1610.79 1614.38 1617.56 1620.29 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1603.344 1603.76 1603.38 1603.72 Mm-hmm . 1603.72 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1607.248 1608.261 1607.27 1608.14 Yeah , but Yeah . 1607.46 1608.14 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1608.742 1609.334 1608.9 1609.19 Mm-hmm . 1609.19 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1612.928 1613.436 1613.06 1613.4 Mm-hmm . 1613.4 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1617.2 1617.803 1617.23 1617.66 Mm-hmm . 1617.66 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1619.392 1619.722 1619.41 1619.69 Yeah . 1619.69 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1619.92 1629.008 1619.98 1628.97 Okay , before we get too far off here um , the components of the concept is the energy . What kind of energy do we foresee ? 1620.31 1622.67 1626.07 1628.97 IS1009c D FIO089 3 1630.336 1636.624 1630.36 1636.59 I think I think battery , and I think we all agreed on that . That that's that's gonna be most cost-effective and the best thing . 1631.93 1633.63 1636.59 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1630.447 1632.224 1630.6 1632.19 Battery . Battery . 1631.75 1632.19 IS1009c B FIO087 1 1631.817 1632.352 1631.84 1632.03 Battery . 1632.03 IS1009c B FIO087 1 1633.728 1634.134 1633.76 1634.1 Yes . 1634.1 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1633.931 1635.6 1634.35 1635.56 Yeah . Yeah . 1635.15 1635.56 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1636.647 1639.408 1636.99 1639.26 Okay then chip on print . 1639.26 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1639.344 1639.808 1639.36 1639.77 Yeah . 1639.77 IS1009c D FIO089 3 1639.76 1640.048 1639.78 1640.01 Yep . 1640.01 IS1009c B FIO087 1 1639.833 1640.368 1640.0 1640.32 Yes . 1640.32 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1640.464 1647.6 1640.48 1647.56 Okay . And the case . And I think we all agree on the case , we wanna have something uh maybe bright , colourful . 1641.76 1642.67 1644.42 1646.84 1647.56 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1647.632 1648.144 1647.65 1648.1 Yeah . 1648.1 IS1009c D FIO089 3 1648.144 1652.336 1648.16 1652.3 Bright , colourful , trendy trendy design , and strong . 1648.49 1649.75 1651.64 1652.3 IS1009c B FIO087 1 1648.768 1649.76 1648.81 1649.7 And compact . 1649.7 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1649.08 1650.24 1649.14 1650.21 And also strong . 1650.21 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1650.825 1652.293 1650.87 1652.05 Trendy , yeah . 1651.87 1652.05 IS1009c B FIO087 1 1651.168 1652.944 1651.19 1652.9 Trendy design and compact . 1652.9 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1652.912 1653.52 1653.08 1653.48 Mm-hmm . 1653.48 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1654.768 1657.583 1654.79 1657.39 Trendy design , compact and strong . 1656.1 1657.39 IS1009c D FIO089 3 1657.264 1657.824 1657.31 1657.79 Mm-hmm . 1657.79 IS1009c B FIO087 1 1657.443 1657.968 1657.46 1657.93 Yes . 1657.93 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1660.256 1666.48 1660.28 1666.45 User interface concept , uh interface type , supplements . 1662.54 1665.1 1666.45 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1669.552 1672.698 1669.6 1672.5 That will be your area I think , right , Jana . 1671.81 1672.22 1672.5 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1670.083 1670.529 1670.1 1670.49 Uh . 1670.49 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1674.256 1678.883 1674.28 1678.85 Um like the switches , like we use buttons for user interface . 1676.58 1678.85 IS1009c B FIO087 1 1678.832 1679.576 1678.85 1679.54 Push-buttons . 1679.54 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1679.424 1682.304 1679.51 1682.27 Put uh k I guess uh for yeah . 1682.27 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1679.904 1680.541 1679.92 1680.5 Push-buttons . 1680.5 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1685.168 1686.355 1685.19 1686.355 And - IS1009c A FIE088 0 1687.2 1689.248 1687.22 1689.21 Not sure what they mean by supplements . 1689.21 IS1009c B FIO087 1 1687.888 1688.096 1687.91 1688.096 And - IS1009c C FIO084 2 1689.168 1689.584 1689.26 1689.46 Yeah . 1689.46 IS1009c D FIO089 3 1689.456 1690.704 1689.456 1690.704 Well , I think that 1690.21 IS1009c B FIO087 1 1689.76 1696.608 1689.78 1696.57 Supplements like different types of features buttons , like can have a f mute button or a swapping button . 1692.82 1696.57 IS1009c D FIO089 3 1692.624 1699.329 1692.64 1699.28 Yeah , or or like her speech recognition would also be a supplement . Her speech recognition feature would be a supplement . 1692.94 1696.94 1699.28 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1693.152 1693.829 1693.17 1693.829 Oh , like 1693.37 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1694.96 1695.44 1694.98 1695.29 Oh . 1695.29 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1696.992 1699.28 1697.01 1699.23 A what ? Right , right , right , mm-hmm . 1698.02 1698.36 1698.59 1698.96 1699.23 IS1009c B FIO087 1 1698.337 1699.986 1698.39 1699.85 Recogniser . Yes . 1699.39 1699.85 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1698.916 1699.424 1698.96 1699.37 Mm yeah . 1699.37 IS1009c D FIO089 3 1700.096 1707.296 1700.12 1707.26 Okay , so why don't we put down speech recognition if possible pending some more research from our industrial engineer on how expensive that is . 1700.33 1707.26 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1702.996 1703.347 1703.14 1703.26 Hmm . 1703.26 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1706.208 1707.472 1706.32 1707.44 Mm-hmm . Yeah . 1707.23 1707.44 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1707.392 1707.962 1707.41 1707.91 Right . 1707.91 IS1009c B FIO087 1 1707.552 1708.016 1707.57 1707.98 Yes . 1707.98 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1711.584 1727.008 1711.6 1726.85 Okay . Uh our next meeting will be in thirty minutes , and the uh I_D_ is to this is the individual actions to be taken until then , to have the look and feel design , 1712.59 1716.54 1725.28 1726.85 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1728.688 1737.344 1728.71 1737.24 and uh the U_I_D_ is supposed to uh come up with the user interface design , 1737.24 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1737.728 1738.176 1737.76 1738.11 Mm-hmm . 1738.11 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1738.448 1758.128 1738.47 1758.09 and the marketing expert with the product evaluation . In this phase , the two of you , Jana and Francine , have to work together on a prototype using modelling clay , it says here . You will receive specific instructions will be sent to you by your coaches . 1743.01 1744.08 1745.12 1746.68 1750.82 1752.88 1758.09 IS1009c D FIO089 3 1742.32 1742.832 1742.36 1742.8 Okay . 1742.8 IS1009c B FIO087 1 1748.72 1749.42 1748.75 1749.26 Okay . 1749.26 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1753.472 1753.816 1753.49 1753.58 Mm-hmm . 1753.58 IS1009c B FIO087 1 1758.304 1758.928 1758.32 1758.88 Okay . 1758.88 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1759.426 1771.424 1759.54 1771.424 Um if you have any questions , you know , you you can always uh contact me um or uh or your coach , I suppose . 1761.63 1762.09 1768.33 1771.11 IS1009c D FIO089 3 1769.123 1774.24 1769.123 1771.89 Wherever they're hiding ? 1774.06 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1773.248 1784.016 1773.27 1783.98 Um so um I think we conclude the meeting here and we come back in uh uh thirty minutes , according to our timetable here . 1781.6 1783.98 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1781.296 1781.616 1781.33 1781.58 Yeah . 1781.58 IS1009c B FIO087 1 1781.392 1781.808 1781.41 1781.77 Okay . 1781.77 IS1009c A FIE088 0 1787.504 1788.416 1787.52 1788.32 Thank you very much . 1788.32 IS1009c C FIO084 2 1788.288 1789.328 1788.31 1789.19 Thank you . 1789.19 IS1009c B FIO087 1 1788.352 1788.896 1788.37 1788.85 Thank you . 1788.85 IS1009d A FIE088 0 39.135 41.374 39.38 41.33 Well hi everyone again . 41.33 IS1009d B FIO087 1 41.117 41.68 41.27 41.56 Hello . 41.56 IS1009d C FIO084 2 41.091 41.6 41.31 41.55 Hello . 41.55 IS1009d D FIO089 3 40.96 43.216 41.82 42.25 Hello - IS1009d A FIE088 0 43.04 54.432 43.24 54.4 Um like before we uh I have to redo the meetings from n th the minutes from the last meeting and so here we go . 54.4 IS1009d D FIO089 3 50.864 51.392 50.89 51.34 Mm-hmm . 51.34 IS1009d A FIE088 0 55.888 64.672 55.91 64.64 Uh it was discussed in the last meeting uh which was opened by the presentation from the interface um - IS1009d B FIO087 1 65.616 67.056 65.64 67.056 Designer . 66.87 IS1009d A FIE088 0 65.375 90.04 65.67 89.79 designer that uh looks would be very important on this new remote and um it is to send messages of course to the T_V_ . It should have nine channel buttons , a next button , volume buttons , subtitle buttons , switch to control features , colour contrast , sharpness etcetera . 79.03 81.16 82.15 83.08 85.47 87.41 88.58 89.79 IS1009d A FIE088 0 90.04 108.663 90.2 107.8 It should have a memory switch , a mute button in case the telephone rings or something . Uh speech recognition is one of her very f favourite personal uh features she would like see d d to be integrated in this um in this new remote . Um . 91.4 94.35 106.53 107.8 IS1009d A FIE088 0 110.916 129.296 110.916 129.26 Should be child friendly design with few buttons , colourful maybe with s star shaped or other shaped buttons . Um she uh presented also an oversized remote which she guarantees nobody will ever be able to lose . 115.52 120.13 129.26 IS1009d A FIE088 0 130.352 130.96 130.37 130.96 Um - IS1009d D FIO089 3 130.017 135.223 130.37 135.223 And she was challenged on that point - IS1009d A FIE088 0 132.176 133.792 132.176 133.792 that's right . 133.32 IS1009d B FIO087 1 132.277 134.683 132.277 134.683 Yes . 134.57 IS1009d A FIE088 0 134.832 164.496 134.85 164.38 But uh her very f personal favourite really she , she would very much like to see a speech recogniser integrated in this remote . The industrial designer um presented her uh thoughts on the issue . She would like a special case made out of plastic that is very strong , not using any harmful materials , should be recyclable and should be colourful . 139.15 144.1 153.15 158.69 161.16 164.38 IS1009d A FIE088 0 165.457 171.497 165.64 171.16 Should have an integrated circuit board that's highly sophisticated and temperature resistant . 171.16 IS1009d A FIE088 0 172.665 191.472 172.84 191.44 She would like to see a timer and or alarm facility integrated . Uh technically this thing would also have a resistor and a capacitor , diode transistor , resonator , and if possible a rechargeable battery . 180.1 185.62 187.42 189.25 191.44 IS1009d A FIE088 0 192.608 194.768 192.63 194.71 Uh and of course a circuit board . 194.71 IS1009d A FIE088 0 195.968 220.048 195.99 220.01 And how it would works , you press the button , the chip is morse morse code related relays the uh to the generat to the generator amplification and uh the circuit board is very inexpensive to build and so she thinks this is a great feature uh to to to consider . 197.39 198.52 220.01 IS1009d D FIO089 3 215.44 215.824 215.46 215.73 Okay . 215.73 IS1009d A FIE088 0 222.144 226.992 222.16 226.96 She would like uh this whole thing should be push buttons with a simple chip - IS1009d A FIE088 0 227.984 232.672 228.04 232.64 uh scrolling method is more expensive and not that practical anymore . 232.64 IS1009d A FIE088 0 233.824 238.944 233.84 238.91 Should be battery operated and of course she would have the special cases . 238.91 IS1009d A FIE088 0 240.384 262.768 240.4 262.73 The marketing expert uh who has to finally come up with to to to market this product has been watching the competition , has done some research on the internet and also has used h her personal observations to come up with the fact that such a remote sh should be small , 251.46 262.73 IS1009d A FIE088 0 264.288 266.576 264.31 266.54 easy to use and it should be eye catching . 266.54 IS1009d A FIE088 0 270.336 277.52 270.36 277.46 From her point of view of course one of the most important facts is that we should get to market before our competition does . 277.46 IS1009d A FIE088 0 280.464 290.608 280.59 290.57 To do that uh maybe one or two features should be developed on which we could dwell on or in other words on which our campaign could be built on . 290.57 IS1009d A FIE088 0 292.112 301.52 292.13 301.49 Too many new features or too many points would only confuse matter . So we prefer to have one or two features that can be really uh driven home . 296.97 301.49 IS1009d A FIE088 0 302.864 311.296 302.88 311.26 Um it should have a fruit and vegetable design and should have a soft feel . She feels that's really what people want today . 309.16 311.26 IS1009d A FIE088 0 312.896 321.008 312.93 320.97 And the decision that we took last time was that uh the special feature we would like to see is a speech recogniser , 320.97 IS1009d A FIE088 0 322.16 331.92 322.18 331.89 the energy should be battery uh should be on a chip , should be trendy design , compact and strong , and should have buttons . 327.55 328.93 330.77 331.89 IS1009d A FIE088 0 333.232 338.535 333.25 337.98 And that concludes the presentation from the last minutes from the last meeting . 337.98 IS1009d A FIE088 0 340.672 345.504 340.72 345.35 Now uh we are ready for the presentation of the prototype . 345.35 IS1009d C FIO084 2 347.184 347.488 347.27 347.44 Yeah . 347.44 IS1009d B FIO087 1 347.696 351.152 347.73 351.12 Yeah . Just the look like , the button part I'll explain . 348.81 349.73 351.12 IS1009d C FIO084 2 351.296 351.6 351.32 351.57 Yeah . 351.57 IS1009d C FIO084 2 356.208 391.328 356.25 391.28 Uh so this is our what uh we have made . This is a model of the remote control which we are going to build . Uh this is us in a snail shape so uh it it is attractive um and it's it's blue in colour uh bright and uh it has yellow buttons and all the different colour buttons so it is a uh uh a looks-wise it is beautiful . Uh and also compact in shape . Uh um and also i it it will be easily fit into into the hands and you can access all the buttons easily . 359.39 363.76 381.47 384.29 391.28 IS1009d A FIE088 0 363.36 363.808 363.39 363.7 Mm-hmm . 363.7 IS1009d D FIO089 3 366.72 367.184 366.74 367.11 Mm-hmm . 367.11 IS1009d D FIO089 3 372.334 372.911 372.4 372.79 Mm-hmm . 372.79 IS1009d D FIO089 3 377.757 378.314 377.8 378.07 Mm-hmm . 378.07 IS1009d D FIO089 3 381.12 381.472 381.16 381.43 Mm-hmm . 381.43 IS1009d D FIO089 3 383.856 384.304 383.89 384.22 Mm-hmm . 384.22 IS1009d D FIO089 3 388.928 389.466 388.95 389.28 Mm-hmm . 389.28 IS1009d D FIO089 3 391.408 393.024 391.48 392.98 Mm-hmm . Good . 392.09 392.98 IS1009d C FIO084 2 392.976 396.896 393.0 396.896 Yeah , oops , sorry . 393.89 394.36 396.65 IS1009d D FIO089 3 395.024 400.24 395.024 400.24 You used to have all the buttons - IS1009d C FIO084 2 398.288 413.013 398.288 413.013 Um yeah and um uh the material which we are going to use for the case is uh plastic and uh w which which is s strong um uh and also uh for the - IS1009d C FIO084 2 414.432 430.368 414.45 429.99 Um the material is plastic and uh for the buttons it is uh s soft rubber um and als yeah . Yeah because uh uh you'll be touching the buttons more so it is soft when you touch it . 424.26 429.99 IS1009d D FIO089 3 422.24 424.544 422.28 424.51 Oh that's good , no , that's nice and friendly . 423.37 423.59 424.51 IS1009d D FIO089 3 426.832 427.728 426.89 427.68 Mm-hmm . Mm . 427.43 427.68 IS1009d A FIE088 0 429.184 430.336 429.22 430.23 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 430.01 430.23 IS1009d D FIO089 3 429.44 429.952 429.5 429.92 Mm-hmm . 429.92 IS1009d C FIO084 2 430.368 442.566 430.39 442.39 And then um uh for the for the led , for the light emitting diode it is a fluorescent green and it's a a it is a bulb like an ordinary infrared . 433.32 442.39 IS1009d D FIO089 3 434.896 435.312 434.93 435.27 Mm-hmm . 435.27 IS1009d D FIO089 3 436.704 437.248 436.74 437.16 Mm-hmm . 437.16 IS1009d C FIO084 2 444.112 448.816 444.13 448.78 And and the button button's part uh will be explained by F Francina . 448.78 IS1009d B FIO087 1 448.816 469.76 448.91 469.58 Okay . Now the um we decided upon including certain features on our remote . Now these features includes the s um signal emitting uh signal it's the led or L_E_D_ the infrared . Now uh we have included the switch on and off button . 449.7 455.42 465.64 469.58 IS1009d D FIO089 3 449.024 449.552 449.1 449.52 Okay . 449.52 IS1009d D FIO089 3 462.864 464.144 462.89 463.97 Yeah , okay , mm-hmm . 463.02 463.44 463.97 IS1009d A FIE088 0 463.245 464.48 463.31 464.36 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 464.18 464.36 IS1009d D FIO089 3 470.192 471.264 470.22 471.22 Mm-hmm . 471.22 IS1009d B FIO087 1 473.104 477.12 473.12 477.03 Now we have included another feature that is the mute button - IS1009d D FIO089 3 479.168 480.464 479.57 480.36 Mm-hmm . 480.36 IS1009d B FIO087 1 481.104 487.76 481.12 487.67 on the side of the model . Then we have included one to nine buttons 483.63 IS1009d D FIO089 3 482.704 483.664 483.18 483.51 Mm-hmm . 483.51 IS1009d B FIO087 1 488.88 491.936 488.9 491.9 for controlling the programmes the different channels . 491.9 IS1009d D FIO089 3 494.352 495.952 494.39 495.9 Mm-hmm . 495.9 IS1009d B FIO087 1 496.48 502.688 497.51 502.64 We have also included two buttons for increasing or decreasing the volume . 502.64 IS1009d D FIO089 3 506.16 507.088 506.23 506.93 Mm-hmm . 506.93 IS1009d B FIO087 1 507.36 512.976 507.38 512.94 And we have also included two buttons for scrolling up and scrolling down the programme channels . 512.94 IS1009d D FIO089 3 516.496 516.8 516.52 516.76 Mm . 516.76 IS1009d B FIO087 1 516.88 521.52 516.9 521.36 Now our our model also contains a button which is called as the menu button . 521.36 IS1009d A FIE088 0 521.76 522.64 521.78 522.53 What kind of button ? 522.53 IS1009d B FIO087 1 522.56 523.488 522.59 523.37 Menu button . 523.37 IS1009d A FIE088 0 523.664 526.032 523.68 526.0 Menu ? Uh menu th menu , uh one one . 523.99 525.12 526.0 IS1009d B FIO087 1 524.034 525.024 524.16 525.024 Yes , menu 524.65 IS1009d D FIO089 3 524.384 525.555 524.41 525.555 Menu button . 525.14 IS1009d B FIO087 1 526.112 527.008 526.13 526.95 At the centre - IS1009d D FIO089 3 527.648 528.128 527.68 528.09 Mm-hmm . 528.09 IS1009d B FIO087 1 528.336 536.528 528.36 536.49 we have included a button which is fluorescent green colour and this is the menu button which will control the colour , sharpness , brightness 534.84 535.63 IS1009d D FIO089 3 537.168 539.76 537.24 539.69 Mm-hmm . Of the screen . Mm , mm-hmm . 538.28 539.02 539.32 539.69 IS1009d B FIO087 1 538.944 540.096 538.96 540.06 of this uh picture . 540.06 IS1009d B FIO087 1 542.816 547.216 543.0 547.09 We have also included a button which is called as the swapping button . 547.09 IS1009d B FIO087 1 548.528 553.872 548.55 553.8 Now this is uh a special , special feature which we have included . Now this button 550.84 553.07 IS1009d B FIO087 1 555.232 569.28 555.25 569.17 is an elongated shaped button and this is slightly flexible so if it is turned towards the right it will take to the previous channel , if it is turned towards the right it will take to the next channel . 565.92 569.17 IS1009d B FIO087 1 570.432 573.568 570.45 573.53 It will take the user to the previous and the next channel so this is a - IS1009d B FIO087 1 576.56 577.6 576.62 577.56 swapping button . 577.56 IS1009d D FIO089 3 580.064 584.176 580.41 584.176 The next channel in the numeric pattern , or 583.27 IS1009d B FIO087 1 584.096 594.608 584.12 594.57 No , swapping is if if example you're you're watching the second channel and then you go to the tenth channel and if you want to go back to the second channel you can swap , this button . Yes . 584.28 593.17 594.2 594.57 IS1009d D FIO089 3 587.76 588.562 587.78 588.33 Yeah , mm-hmm . 588.05 588.33 IS1009d D FIO089 3 590.592 590.864 590.61 590.83 Mm . 590.83 IS1009d D FIO089 3 593.68 594.896 593.76 594.85 Okay , okay . 594.57 594.85 IS1009d B FIO087 1 599.168 609.216 599.19 609.01 And at the end , it this remote has inbuilt voice recogniser which c which will recognise the user's voice and then it'll act accordingly . 600.35 609.01 IS1009d A FIE088 0 604.128 604.32 604.16 604.29 Okay . 604.29 IS1009d A FIE088 0 607.088 607.52 607.11 607.41 Mm-hmm . 607.41 IS1009d A FIE088 0 612.117 613.202 612.53 613.09 Mm-hmm . 613.09 IS1009d B FIO087 1 614.688 619.936 614.77 619.87 So this is our proposed model . Now the marketing expert has to 617.73 IS1009d D FIO089 3 614.809 615.491 614.87 615.3 Okay . 615.3 IS1009d D FIO089 3 617.264 617.696 617.29 617.57 Mm-hmm . 617.57 IS1009d C FIO084 2 620.288 621.392 620.31 621.28 Tell , yeah . 621.11 621.28 IS1009d B FIO087 1 621.184 628.224 621.2 627.96 give her suggestion whether it'll be sellable or it'll be cost effective . 627.96 IS1009d D FIO089 3 628.16 629.856 628.21 629.82 Okay , well um 628.59 IS1009d D FIO089 3 631.104 642.64 631.12 642.61 what what I really like a lot about it is that you can reach the whole thing with one thumb , that you can really hold it in one h you don't need two hands and it's easily reachable even for somebody with a small hand , yeah ? 635.8 642.45 642.61 IS1009d B FIO087 1 635.296 636.313 635.32 636.28 Yes , yes . 635.81 636.28 IS1009d C FIO084 2 637.478 638.268 637.67 638.0 Mm-hmm . 638.0 IS1009d A FIE088 0 642.784 644.848 642.8 644.81 Yes the buttons are all raised , right ? 644.58 644.81 IS1009d D FIO089 3 645.088 671.355 645.11 671.18 The buttons are all raised and if you hold it in the centre of your hand you can even reach it over here so you don't have to turn it around , turn it upside down , move it up , up and down , I really like that . You really did a good job on that , my little designers . Um and um I like the idea that the on-off button is in a really prominent place . That's that's a really good good thing . 652.46 654.12 654.94 655.67 656.53 658.37 661.94 669.48 671.18 IS1009d B FIO087 1 644.978 645.835 645.27 645.42 Yes . 645.42 IS1009d A FIE088 0 645.253 646.544 645.67 646.51 Are raised , mm-hmm . 646.25 646.51 IS1009d A FIE088 0 649.68 650.128 649.7 650.05 Right . 650.05 IS1009d A FIE088 0 652.747 655.397 653.18 655.22 Or have two hands to operate it , yeah . 655.04 655.22 IS1009d B FIO087 1 656.792 657.22 656.85 657.11 Mm . 657.11 IS1009d C FIO084 2 656.67 657.298 656.9 657.14 Mm-hmm . 657.14 IS1009d A FIE088 0 670.784 678.128 670.81 678.08 Yes , and it sort of sticks up so that you really you don't have to g first go like oh yeah here it's on and yeah , mm-hmm . 671.09 677.86 678.08 IS1009d D FIO089 3 672.176 673.605 672.2 673.46 Yeah , that's great . 672.72 673.46 IS1009d C FIO084 2 674.768 675.296 674.88 675.22 Hmm . 675.22 IS1009d D FIO089 3 675.801 676.41 675.92 676.36 Mm-hmm . 676.36 IS1009d C FIO084 2 676.309 677.103 676.33 676.94 Mm-hmm . 676.94 IS1009d B FIO087 1 676.604 677.917 676.84 677.88 Abs okay . 677.88 IS1009d D FIO089 3 677.66 686.496 677.86 686.33 The colour's very attractive . Um the um these buttons uh around here are the mute 680.08 IS1009d B FIO087 1 687.296 693.264 687.45 693.23 No , these the front buttons which are here , are the mute buttons . Yes , yes . 687.63 690.23 692.36 692.84 693.23 IS1009d D FIO089 3 687.51 690.646 687.59 690.52 and these mm-hmm - IS1009d D FIO089 3 691.568 695.728 691.59 695.61 On both sides they're mute ? So you can push either one ? Okay . 693.14 695.19 695.61 IS1009d B FIO087 1 694.384 694.88 694.4 694.82 Yes . 694.82 IS1009d A FIE088 0 695.68 698.253 695.7 698.06 So if you're left-handed or right-handed it doesn't matter . 698.06 IS1009d D FIO089 3 697.008 703.936 697.03 703.936 And this brings the menu up on the screen ? This brings the menu up on the screen and the orange ones are 699.48 IS1009d B FIO087 1 699.136 699.536 699.16 699.48 Pardon me ? 699.48 IS1009d B FIO087 1 699.843 701.508 699.86 701.47 This is the menu yes , yes . 701.08 701.47 IS1009d B FIO087 1 704.016 712.64 704.04 712.61 A the the these these two are th to increase or decrease the volumes , and these two are to uh scroll the programme channels . 708.79 712.61 IS1009d D FIO089 3 707.584 708.656 708.12 708.61 Okay . 708.61 IS1009d D FIO089 3 711.985 714.977 712.1 714.89 F f okay . Right , very good . 713.87 714.15 714.89 IS1009d B FIO087 1 714.059 715.936 714.08 715.69 Scroll up or scroll down the channels . 715.69 IS1009d D FIO089 3 715.856 718.464 715.89 718.43 Uh it looks mm looks like something I can sell . 718.43 IS1009d D FIO089 3 719.536 724.156 721.04 724.1 Okay and now I'm supposed to yeah . 724.1 IS1009d A FIE088 0 722.528 733.904 722.55 733.8 Well , I have one question uh will there be anything written on the buttons , like that people know , or they have to learn that from a piece of paper which button does what ? 722.86 728.83 730.4 733.8 IS1009d B FIO087 1 733.824 742.104 733.84 742.03 Yes , it will have uh these buttons will have the numbers and all the rest of the buttons will have symbols . Yes , which can be easily recognised . 734.23 740.01 740.5 742.03 IS1009d C FIO084 2 734.08 734.496 734.11 734.46 Ah . 734.46 IS1009d C FIO084 2 735.031 736.225 735.22 736.05 Yeah , definitely . 735.52 736.05 IS1009d A FIE088 0 739.312 744.573 739.33 744.573 Will have symbols so that that that the user really knows you know and doesn't have to first learn it - IS1009d D FIO089 3 740.464 740.688 740.48 740.64 Yeah . 740.64 IS1009d C FIO084 2 740.461 741.692 740.51 741.59 Yeah . Yeah . 741.38 741.59 IS1009d C FIO084 2 742.409 743.045 742.46 742.95 Yeah . 742.95 IS1009d B FIO087 1 742.788 743.327 742.93 743.28 Yes . 743.28 IS1009d C FIO084 2 743.484 743.973 743.52 743.87 Yeah . 743.87 IS1009d D FIO089 3 743.712 749.744 743.73 749.71 Good point because we need the symbols 'cause we're going into an international market we can't have anything that's language dependent . 749.71 IS1009d B FIO087 1 744.622 745.153 744.74 745.12 Yes . 745.12 IS1009d C FIO084 2 746.09 747.756 746.14 747.756 Yeah of course , and also 747.12 IS1009d B FIO087 1 747.784 748.436 747.97 748.2 Yes . 748.2 IS1009d C FIO084 2 748.4 748.768 748.42 748.65 Hmm . 748.65 IS1009d A FIE088 0 748.912 756.176 748.93 756.13 Yeah . But anyway it would ha i i i it has to have some kind of of symbols , text or something so that people kn 749.76 754.62 IS1009d C FIO084 2 749.324 749.798 749.34 749.72 Yeah . 749.72 IS1009d B FIO087 1 749.763 750.37 749.88 749.97 Yes . 749.97 IS1009d C FIO084 2 751.37 752.535 751.61 752.535 Yeah we can - IS1009d D FIO089 3 753.536 755.472 753.56 755.44 Symbols on it . Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 754.47 755.22 755.44 IS1009d C FIO084 2 753.8 754.356 753.89 754.32 Text . 754.32 IS1009d B FIO087 1 754.639 755.218 754.68 755.18 Yes . 755.18 IS1009d C FIO084 2 754.843 761.516 755.41 761.33 Text that we can have on the case itself , we can it will be printed on the case and symbols as well as the buttons . Yeah . 757.46 760.79 761.33 IS1009d B FIO087 1 757.664 758.256 757.69 758.17 Yes . 758.17 IS1009d A FIE088 0 757.696 758.08 757.72 758.05 That's right . 758.05 IS1009d D FIO089 3 758.08 758.4 758.1 758.33 Mm-hmm . 758.33 IS1009d A FIE088 0 759.216 761.632 759.24 761.55 Okay , yeah just wanted make sure of that mm-hmm . 759.76 761.55 IS1009d B FIO087 1 759.847 760.452 760.05 760.452 And - IS1009d B FIO087 1 761.241 768.112 761.28 768.08 and one more feature is we we have a holder for this remote which is an oyster shape . A shell shape . 767.3 768.08 IS1009d D FIO089 3 761.189 762.33 761.58 762.17 Mm , 'kay , mm . 761.67 761.77 762.17 IS1009d D FIO089 3 765.008 765.481 765.04 765.41 Mm-hmm . 765.41 IS1009d D FIO089 3 768.48 790.937 768.55 790.937 For the snail , yeah , mm-hmm , we have the snail shell . He goes right back into his shell . Well you know I think we could do something really funny with this too because the snail is known to be slow and we could have some sort of little comic effect on our marketing about how this is a rapid snail or something like that you know that would , that would really work . So 769.27 769.6 770.18 771.67 773.58 788.88 790.32 IS1009d A FIE088 0 769.248 770.032 769.27 770.0 Right , mm-hmm . 769.75 770.0 IS1009d B FIO087 1 769.199 770.291 769.28 770.26 Yes , yes . 769.79 770.26 IS1009d C FIO084 2 769.271 769.861 769.42 769.72 Yeah . 769.72 IS1009d C FIO084 2 770.357 773.35 770.42 773.18 So it is yeah , yeah shell . 772.33 773.18 IS1009d B FIO087 1 770.913 772.348 770.93 772.24 Yes , snail shell . 771.4 772.24 IS1009d A FIE088 0 770.708 771.533 770.97 771.11 Mm-hmm . 771.11 IS1009d B FIO087 1 772.795 773.427 772.92 773.31 Yes . 773.31 IS1009d A FIE088 0 773.264 773.68 773.28 773.56 Right . 773.56 IS1009d C FIO084 2 778.256 778.752 778.3 778.67 Mm-hmm . 778.67 IS1009d B FIO087 1 784.16 784.544 784.18 784.51 Mm-hmm . 784.51 IS1009d C FIO084 2 784.464 784.688 784.48 784.65 Mm . 784.65 IS1009d B FIO087 1 786.784 788.225 786.784 788.225 Y Yes - IS1009d C FIO084 2 786.992 790.028 786.992 789.21 Yeah , of course , yeah . 788.25 789.04 789.21 IS1009d A FIE088 0 789.792 797.184 790.05 797.184 Now what , what are our special features for the marketing ? That's really the voice recognition that's really unusual 790.5 793.29 IS1009d D FIO089 3 796.304 802.608 796.32 802.57 I think voice recognition is our big selling point 'cause nobody else seems to have that in in this price range . 802.57 IS1009d C FIO084 2 799.085 800.09 799.16 799.92 Mm . Mm-hmm . 799.6 799.92 IS1009d C FIO084 2 800.894 801.344 801.03 801.25 Mm . 801.25 IS1009d A FIE088 0 802.736 809.408 802.76 809.37 And then , and then the other thing would basically be sh shape or practicality of use . 803.23 809.37 IS1009d D FIO089 3 809.696 823.36 809.81 823.31 Yep uh well I think that everybody's gonna say their remote control is practical . I think we have to , we have to dwell on on on the appearance . We're really gonna have the be the 815.79 818.18 821.28 IS1009d A FIE088 0 810.77 811.783 811.09 811.59 You know . 811.59 IS1009d A FIE088 0 816.928 817.945 816.95 817.85 Colours . 817.85 IS1009d A FIE088 0 820.72 821.168 820.76 821.13 Mm-hmm . 821.13 IS1009d A FIE088 0 824.128 824.75 824.15 824.65 Cutest . 824.65 IS1009d D FIO089 3 824.432 837.792 824.45 837.62 cutest remote control on the block . So I think we have to play with the image , play with the snail image um play with the visual and then the voice recognition . I think those are the two things to push . The look 827.08 829.06 835.55 837.13 IS1009d C FIO084 2 826.48 826.816 826.51 826.76 Mm . 826.76 IS1009d A FIE088 0 826.917 827.382 826.94 827.1 Yeah . 827.1 IS1009d C FIO084 2 835.529 836.053 835.61 835.99 Mm-hmm . 835.99 IS1009d D FIO089 3 838.928 841.888 838.97 841.85 and the voice recognition . They're gonna be our two selling points . 840.11 841.85 IS1009d A FIE088 0 842.784 845.754 842.93 845.754 Okay , now uh having said that 843.51 IS1009d D FIO089 3 845.536 847.648 845.56 847.61 I'm supposed to make a little presentation , aren't I ? 847.22 847.61 IS1009d A FIE088 0 848.323 855.808 848.64 855.76 No , now this was our evaluation criteria which we uh just have done . Now we're gonna talk about financing . 849.05 852.97 855.76 IS1009d D FIO089 3 851.376 852.496 851.4 852.43 Okay . 852.43 IS1009d D FIO089 3 856.608 862.8 856.63 862.75 Ah , but in my instructions I think it said I was supposed to go to the board and do something . No ? 857.73 862.59 862.75 IS1009d A FIE088 0 861.846 864.896 861.846 864.85 Well , there is a production evaluation . Is that you ? 862.92 864.37 864.85 IS1009d D FIO089 3 865.152 865.824 865.17 865.66 Yeah , that's me . 865.28 865.66 IS1009d A FIE088 0 866.016 869.328 866.04 869.29 But that's after the financing . See ? Fi see ? 868.09 868.72 869.29 IS1009d D FIO089 3 867.392 870.928 867.44 870.88 Oh , okay . Sorry , sorry . Mm-mm . 867.5 868.22 869.36 870.76 870.88 IS1009d A FIE088 0 873.072 873.936 873.09 873.9 Um . 873.9 IS1009d A FIE088 0 875.391 894.464 875.391 894.4 Okay , we had looks and voice recognition . Okay now on the financing we bring up the mm there it is . Okay uh energy source we say that's battery , right ? 876.34 879.96 886.86 894.16 894.4 IS1009d C FIO084 2 894.832 895.216 894.86 895.17 Mm . 895.17 IS1009d D FIO089 3 895.536 896.016 895.56 895.98 That's right . 895.98 IS1009d A FIE088 0 896.352 897.696 896.37 897.62 Okay , now . 897.07 897.62 IS1009d A FIE088 0 900.832 902.864 900.85 902.81 So we I guess we use one . 902.81 IS1009d C FIO084 2 903.712 904.112 903.74 904.05 Yeah . 904.05 IS1009d B FIO087 1 903.965 904.683 904.16 904.59 Yes . 904.59 IS1009d A FIE088 0 905.823 906.608 906.02 906.43 What ? 906.43 IS1009d A FIE088 0 909.373 914.641 909.83 914.46 T cell or chart you are trying to change is protected . Well , that's nice . 913.58 913.79 914.46 IS1009d A FIE088 0 914.905 918.136 915.3 918.136 She told me I could just ch change it here and then it would - IS1009d A FIE088 0 918.82 919.88 919.13 919.84 It doesn't work . 919.84 IS1009d A FIE088 0 921.984 922.432 922.01 922.4 Hmm . 922.4 IS1009d D FIO089 3 924.752 927.312 924.77 927.312 Can you just fill it in in the yellow boxes ? Or 926.77 IS1009d A FIE088 0 927.28 944.352 927.31 944.32 Oh , okay yeah , okay , let's see . Okay , one , okay . Oh go away . Um kinetic source so that's in the energy source that's all we need . Uh electronics , simple chip on print ? Is that's what we're using ? One of those ? 927.62 928.35 928.84 929.79 930.21 931.57 933.28 934.43 939.18 940.62 942.26 943.56 944.32 IS1009d C FIO084 2 927.813 928.515 927.88 928.42 Yeah . 928.42 IS1009d B FIO087 1 929.808 930.428 929.83 930.35 Yes . 930.35 IS1009d C FIO084 2 938.304 938.688 938.34 938.61 Mm-hmm . 938.61 IS1009d C FIO084 2 942.133 943.6 942.38 943.52 Yeah , yeah . 943.23 943.52 IS1009d B FIO087 1 942.371 942.901 942.55 942.68 Yes . 942.68 IS1009d A FIE088 0 945.568 951.616 945.59 951.58 Come on . Okay , one . Uh regular chip on print . No . 946.85 947.29 948.72 951.21 951.58 IS1009d C FIO084 2 952.48 952.864 952.51 952.8 No . 952.8 IS1009d A FIE088 0 952.816 958.672 952.86 958.59 That's all we need , the one case , uncurved flat , single curved , double curved . 953.6 955.22 956.7 957.72 958.59 IS1009d C FIO084 2 953.633 954.185 953.71 954.06 Yeah . 954.06 IS1009d D FIO089 3 959.616 961.216 959.77 961.216 Well . 961.16 IS1009d C FIO084 2 962.752 963.472 962.77 963.472 This is a - IS1009d B FIO087 1 963.584 965.048 963.6 964.79 Single curve ? Mm . 964.59 964.79 IS1009d D FIO089 3 965.184 966.823 965.33 966.73 I guess it's double curved . 966.73 IS1009d A FIE088 0 967.024 969.408 967.04 969.35 Double curved ? One of those ? 968.64 969.35 IS1009d D FIO089 3 969.424 969.984 969.48 969.95 Mm-hmm . 969.95 IS1009d A FIE088 0 972.208 976.48 972.23 976.45 Case materi s supplements . Plastic we said , right ? 974.44 976.04 976.45 IS1009d C FIO084 2 975.456 976.116 975.71 976.04 Yeah . 976.04 IS1009d B FIO087 1 975.994 976.906 976.17 976.79 Plastic . 976.79 IS1009d A FIE088 0 978.24 979.712 978.26 979.62 Uh wood , rubber ? 979.13 979.62 IS1009d D FIO089 3 979.68 981.676 979.75 981.64 Rubber , because we're gonna have the soft buttons . 980.13 981.64 IS1009d C FIO084 2 980.08 980.416 980.1 980.38 Yeah . 980.38 IS1009d A FIE088 0 982.592 984.624 982.68 984.624 Uh but , yes but 983.8 IS1009d C FIO084 2 984.992 989.712 985.01 989.36 I think uh that is uh f for rubbers that is uh yeah case material . 989.36 IS1009d A FIE088 0 987.184 992.784 987.22 992.64 That's just for the case material , so special colours though , we having that , right ? 989.34 991.59 992.37 992.64 IS1009d B FIO087 1 988.604 990.383 988.78 990.29 Is this for the case ? Yes . 989.91 990.29 IS1009d D FIO089 3 989.344 991.02 989.36 990.82 Oh okay , the mm-hmm , mm' kay . 989.92 990.58 990.82 IS1009d C FIO084 2 992.504 993.563 992.77 993.41 Mm-hmm . 993.41 IS1009d B FIO087 1 992.784 993.348 992.8 993.29 Yes . 993.29 IS1009d D FIO089 3 993.056 993.504 993.08 993.47 Mm-hmm . 993.47 IS1009d A FIE088 0 995.072 999.088 995.09 999.01 And then we have to interface push buttons . 999.01 IS1009d B FIO087 1 999.152 999.69 999.17 999.63 Yes . 999.63 IS1009d D FIO089 3 999.126 999.888 999.19 999.8 Mm-hmm . 999.8 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1003.664 1007.76 1003.68 1007.7 Scroll wheel , no . Integrated scroll wheel , L_C_ display ? 1004.48 1005.0 1006.33 1007.7 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1007.952 1011.088 1007.97 1011.05 No , 'cause we didn't put the clock in it after all , right ? 1009.14 1010.87 1011.05 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1008.224 1008.672 1008.24 1008.61 No . 1008.61 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1009.017 1010.032 1009.18 1009.97 Button . 1009.97 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1011.6 1011.968 1011.62 1011.93 No . 1011.93 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1011.399 1012.085 1011.72 1011.96 Yeah . 1011.96 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1012.192 1012.56 1012.22 1012.53 Mm-hmm . 1012.53 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1012.96 1015.424 1013.19 1015.33 Uh , button supplement special colour ? 1013.62 1015.33 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1013.233 1014.477 1013.48 1014.26 Speci - IS1009d B FIO087 1 1015.52 1015.968 1015.54 1015.93 Yes - IS1009d A FIE088 0 1017.68 1018.704 1017.7 1018.56 Special form ? 1018.56 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1019.28 1021.328 1019.3 1021.29 Yes d we do have special form . 1021.29 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1019.632 1020.222 1019.65 1020.17 Yes . 1020.17 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1022.736 1025.666 1022.76 1025.52 And special material , rubber , wood , yes . 1024.24 1024.63 1024.88 1025.52 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1025.328 1025.776 1025.48 1025.64 Yeah . 1025.64 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1027.152 1027.904 1027.27 1027.85 Okay . 1027.85 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1030.512 1034.208 1030.512 1034.17 Total seven point six whatever that means . 1034.17 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1034.864 1037.689 1035.08 1037.63 Uh , I think that's the price . 1035.64 1037.63 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1036.624 1037.918 1036.65 1037.82 That's the price . 1037.82 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1036.407 1039.743 1036.69 1039.47 One two three four five six seven eight nine - IS1009d C FIO084 2 1038.907 1040.528 1039.15 1040.42 Maybe it is it just n - IS1009d A FIE088 0 1039.136 1039.408 1039.16 1039.35 Mm ? 1039.35 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1040.768 1042.4 1040.79 1042.36 Eight , eight point two . 1041.31 1042.36 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1046.608 1048.946 1046.63 1048.91 Nine points , okay , yes . 1047.99 1048.5 1048.91 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1046.816 1048.272 1046.84 1048.24 That's hmm ? 1048.24 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1049.648 1050.576 1049.67 1050.54 Eight point two , right ? 1050.21 1050.54 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1052.352 1054.304 1052.37 1054.27 So , we looks like we are 1052.71 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1055.616 1056.592 1055.64 1056.56 well within budget . 1056.56 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1056.554 1057.168 1056.69 1057.01 Yeah . 1057.01 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1056.688 1057.056 1056.71 1057.0 Mm-hmm . 1057.0 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1056.976 1057.472 1057.0 1057.44 Okay . 1057.44 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1057.776 1058.464 1057.86 1058.42 Okay . 1058.42 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1060.912 1062.752 1060.93 1062.72 I guess I should save this I suppose , huh ? 1062.56 1062.72 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1062.912 1063.344 1062.93 1063.23 Yeah . 1063.23 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1068.625 1069.472 1068.99 1069.34 Oops . 1069.34 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1079.968 1081.12 1079.99 1081.08 Uh-huh huh huh . 1081.08 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1084.96 1086.189 1084.98 1085.98 On the desktop . 1085.98 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1086.592 1091.472 1086.62 1091.44 I just tried that . My documents , computer . My compu Ah oh here it is , yes . 1088.07 1088.86 1089.69 1091.22 1091.44 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1087.8 1088.859 1088.15 1088.63 AMI . 1088.63 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1089.759 1091.122 1089.87 1091.01 AMI should for - IS1009d A FIE088 0 1096.224 1099.039 1096.83 1098.9 Okay , fine . Save . 1097.5 1098.37 1098.9 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1101.376 1110.0 1101.4 1109.79 Okay good , so that's the good news . We gonna be popular . Um . 1102.04 1104.31 1108.35 1109.79 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1105.952 1106.368 1105.97 1106.28 Mm-hmm . 1106.28 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1105.915 1106.713 1106.0 1106.65 Yeah . 1106.65 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1111.616 1114.272 1111.64 1114.24 So that uh I think financing was pretty simple . 1114.24 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1114.544 1114.944 1114.6 1114.87 Mm-hmm . 1114.87 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1115.344 1121.955 1115.36 1121.65 Now we would like to have a presentation by the marketing expert on production evaluation . 1121.65 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1122.144 1124.624 1122.17 1124.48 Okay , I'll take my file down so you can bring it up . 1122.37 1124.48 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1137.888 1139.024 1137.91 1138.89 'Kay should be able to get it now . 1138.89 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1142.675 1145.136 1142.72 1145.02 'Kay , why don't you move just to the next slide right away . 1143.14 1145.02 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1145.984 1148.032 1146.0 1148.0 You wanna go to the next slide ? Okay . 1147.6 1148.0 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1146.864 1195.549 1146.88 1195.36 Yeah right away . Okay , well uh obviously my method for uh s m the marketing of this thing is first to ask the big question , will it sell ? And I think we should show this prototype to people from various age and socio-economic groups and see about any fine tuning that maybe little things we haven't thought of . We can't accept every suggestion of course , but maybe we just need to get a few . And show the the prototype to consumer research groups , we don't s want somebody to suddenly come to us and tell us that this button is toxic and you know some child will swallow it and then we won't sell any . So we have to get some input from those people . And then after that we just have to go with our best intuition and you know we like it , we think it's good , we're gonna get behind it and sell it . Um , next slide please . 1148.46 1148.79 1155.79 1157.17 1168.0 1170.51 1172.68 1175.52 1183.56 1186.28 1190.64 1191.91 1193.88 1194.51 1195.36 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1165.099 1165.951 1165.36 1165.87 Okay . 1165.87 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1166.844 1167.529 1166.99 1167.45 Mm-hmm . 1167.45 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1170.987 1171.781 1171.27 1171.59 Yeah . 1171.59 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1180.27 1180.879 1180.33 1180.79 Mm-hmm . 1180.79 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1183.072 1183.472 1183.11 1183.43 Mm . 1183.43 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1185.824 1186.224 1185.86 1186.18 Mm-hmm . 1186.18 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1197.792 1243.583 1197.81 1243.44 Okay , now the things that I was thinking and th my wish list has really been realised in this prototype . I wanted the shape to be biomorphic , I didn't want anything with angles and all square , I wanted it to be comfy and roundy so we we've got that . The size is small , the colour's bright and warm which is what we wanted . We wanted the feel to be as soft as possible , we'll have the soft buttons and the way this is shaped , even though it's gonna be hard plastic , it feels good in your hand so that's nice . And functionality I put last on my list because people aren't going to use it before they buy it . So paradoxically the other features , in other words , the look , the feel um and the shape , that's what people are gonna get in the store . They don't have a television in the store , they can't play with it . 1198.52 1205.14 1206.87 1209.28 1212.83 1214.05 1216.44 1219.37 1222.39 1224.32 1226.87 1232.07 1234.91 1236.1 1236.61 1239.28 1241.24 1242.59 1243.44 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1220.691 1221.334 1220.78 1221.14 Mm-hmm . 1221.14 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1238.757 1240.723 1238.78 1240.32 Fee selling . 1240.32 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1240.608 1241.238 1240.75 1241.19 Yeah . 1241.19 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1243.376 1243.792 1243.4 1243.75 Yeah . 1243.75 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1243.274 1244.201 1243.74 1244.05 Yes . 1244.05 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1243.583 1284.388 1243.78 1284.09 Um so they'll be our main selling points . So um th those have been fulfilled by your prototype and go ahead to the next slide please . Okay , so um the shape um I think is a a one . That's really , really excellent shape . The size is small um and th these points are in the importance for the , for the marketing , these aren't i in how I feel . I think that it's I think that it's plenty small enough to sell but I think we're sort of right the scale is one to seven . I think we're sort of right in the middle as far as c other competitors . 1246.59 1254.17 1254.57 1260.43 1261.36 1263.01 1269.92 1270.9 1273.41 1279.67 1284.09 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1281.794 1282.853 1281.81 1282.78 Okay . 1282.78 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1284.388 1313.888 1284.56 1313.79 And our colour I think is great . The colours are bright and warm and we really do great job there . And given um the constraints that we had I think we got it as soft as possible . And then functionality um I think you did a really good job on functionality , obviously we could have ad added different functions but then we'd disturb something else so I would say that we got to a five out of seven on on functionality . So I think that basically we've got a great product and we can get off and running with it . 1286.2 1289.75 1295.52 1300.9 1310.14 1313.79 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1310.0 1310.704 1310.22 1310.65 Okay . 1310.65 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1310.105 1310.901 1310.32 1310.65 Mm-hmm . 1310.65 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1313.93 1314.301 1314.07 1314.26 Yeah . 1314.26 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1314.16 1321.84 1314.19 1321.8 Um I just realised one thing . In the financing there was no room for our voice recogniser . 1317.83 1321.8 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1317.452 1317.929 1317.47 1317.85 Yes . 1317.85 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1322.197 1323.228 1322.5 1323.15 Yes . 1323.15 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1322.624 1323.264 1322.64 1323.04 Ah . 1323.04 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1323.296 1323.712 1323.32 1323.67 Yeah . 1323.67 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1324.272 1331.976 1324.29 1331.81 And uh I don't know how we can evaluate that or how we can include that , too . 1331.41 1331.81 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1331.408 1335.897 1331.43 1335.82 Well , um we had what , eight eight euros twenty as our cost ? 1332.07 1333.81 1335.82 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1335.52 1337.141 1335.54 1337.11 Eight , eight twenty , yes . 1335.89 1336.57 1337.11 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1336.42 1337.651 1336.75 1337.651 Eight twenty so - IS1009d D FIO089 3 1337.28 1341.104 1337.3 1341.07 And so we've got we've still got four euros to go to spend . 1341.07 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1337.89 1341.226 1338.22 1340.9 We have um four euros , yeah 1340.41 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1340.224 1346.192 1341.16 1346.16 I mean maximum we have another four point three euros I mean four thirty . 1346.16 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1344.272 1344.64 1344.32 1344.61 Mm-hmm . 1344.61 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1345.867 1348.304 1346.02 1348.304 Well um that's - IS1009d A FIE088 0 1347.552 1360.864 1347.67 1360.83 But I mean we have no way of presenting that to management as you know as a f finished , as a finished product and saying okay with the voice recogniser that costs so much . 1355.22 1360.83 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1360.848 1361.36 1360.89 1361.32 Mm-hmm . 1361.32 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1362.0 1371.041 1362.02 1370.85 So um we just have to beware of that . I mean and know whether the four thirty will really cover that . 1366.54 1370.85 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1366.592 1367.383 1366.77 1367.24 Yeah . 1367.24 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1371.44 1395.158 1371.5 1395.158 Well as we know in today's technic technological world you can do just about anything at any price , the the the problem is quality . So we're just gonna have to settle for whatever quality that will buy us . And um it may not be the greatest quality but it may sell anyway . As we've seen with so many of these kinds of products . 1377.38 1379.39 1383.51 1391.03 1394.88 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1371.444 1371.994 1371.67 1371.88 Yeah . 1371.88 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1379.184 1380.846 1379.2 1380.77 Yeah . 1380.77 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1381.843 1383.2 1381.86 1383.15 Yeah , yeah . 1382.76 1383.15 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1382.147 1383.66 1382.5 1383.56 Yes , yes . 1383.24 1383.56 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1389.504 1390.535 1389.53 1390.31 Yeah , still . 1390.08 1390.31 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1389.792 1390.192 1389.87 1390.16 Yeah . 1390.16 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1391.419 1392.185 1392.0 1392.15 Yeah . 1392.15 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1394.864 1413.469 1394.88 1413.28 I'm sorry to interrupt then but I just uh recog I just remembered that there was no that that was not um included uh that there was no room for any special features , okay ? So to beware of that . You wanna go to this next slide , marketing expert ? 1407.79 1409.07 1410.86 1412.4 1413.28 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1402.192 1403.504 1402.4 1403.46 Included , yeah . 1403.02 1403.46 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1405.792 1407.675 1405.81 1407.42 Hmm , hmm 1407.09 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1407.124 1407.786 1407.28 1407.66 Yeah mm . 1407.66 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1412.496 1419.456 1412.52 1419.42 Uh , well I isn't this my last slide ? Maybe . Go ahead . I think that was my last slide , yeah . Um . 1413.5 1415.34 1416.07 1416.56 1417.7 1418.44 1419.42 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1415.376 1418.192 1415.4 1418.15 I dunno . Yes it is . Mm-hmm . 1416.54 1417.8 1418.15 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1422.704 1423.68 1422.74 1423.65 Mm okay . 1423.65 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1425.936 1436.016 1425.96 1435.89 And I'm supposed to present this scale on the whiteboard . Um and we're supposed to talk about those things as a team now , so if you put my last slide back up there . 1429.34 1433.77 1435.89 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1436.624 1437.008 1436.69 1436.96 Oh . 1436.96 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1438.096 1442.448 1438.17 1442.41 I'm sorry I've um forgot to do that , um . 1441.64 1442.41 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1442.528 1444.32 1442.55 1444.28 Why ? Wh why you need that up ? 1442.86 1444.28 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1446.096 1448.992 1446.12 1448.94 Hmm ? Well because I can't remember what I put on there . 1446.6 1448.94 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1449.614 1456.16 1449.614 1456.11 Okay . Now I'm supposed to see how long my leash is here . 1453.1 1456.11 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1456.16 1457.527 1456.22 1457.36 I think you can make it there . 1457.36 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1457.328 1458.616 1457.61 1458.53 Mm 'kay . 1458.53 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1459.328 1468.014 1459.37 1467.89 You ready . So now we're all supposed to say what we think . Um okay so on shape 1460.5 1463.95 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1472.016 1473.456 1472.27 1473.41 I gave it a one . 1473.41 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1474.504 1485.008 1474.8 1484.97 Wait what would you ra uh one being good and seven being the worst . Um what do you think the shape is ? One , okay , and Be Betsy ? 1479.45 1482.44 1482.76 1483.92 1484.97 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1478.313 1479.344 1478.47 1479.31 Worse , okay . 1478.86 1479.31 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1481.936 1482.606 1482.0 1482.3 One . 1482.3 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1484.976 1486.672 1485.05 1486.64 Yes I think uh shape is one . 1486.64 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1486.64 1489.392 1486.66 1489.36 Yeah , even my yeah , shape is one . 1487.65 1488.68 1489.36 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1486.8 1492.768 1486.83 1492.73 Okay , uh-huh one , okay . And how about on size ? 1487.61 1489.78 1490.6 1492.73 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1496.736 1497.856 1496.76 1497.856 On size - IS1009d A FIE088 0 1497.536 1498.896 1497.56 1498.86 You you gave it a four . 1498.86 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1498.608 1502.016 1498.63 1501.78 I gave it a four , yeah , I feel it's just average . 1499.65 1499.78 1501.78 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1502.038 1503.92 1502.47 1503.89 Um , I dunno . 1503.35 1503.89 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1505.136 1507.04 1505.16 1506.99 I think I would give it at least a two . 1506.99 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1507.136 1507.744 1507.16 1507.69 Okay . 1507.69 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1509.696 1510.144 1509.75 1510.09 One . 1510.09 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1510.923 1511.504 1510.94 1511.4 Mm-hmm . 1511.4 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1511.464 1514.448 1511.75 1514.41 Yeah , even I think it is one . It's quite small . 1511.88 1513.64 1514.41 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1513.12 1523.286 1513.38 1523.23 Okay . Okay you're the designer , of course you wanna give it a one . Um and then how about how we doing on colour ? 1514.79 1517.24 1520.66 1523.23 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1525.936 1527.256 1525.96 1527.256 Colour uh I - IS1009d D FIO089 3 1526.656 1530.622 1526.68 1530.59 Colour , I gave it a one . I really like all those nice bright , warm colours . 1527.15 1528.19 1529.75 1530.59 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1528.08 1528.432 1528.1 1528.4 One . 1528.4 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1529.856 1532.18 1529.88 1531.99 I I like the colours . One . 1531.57 1531.99 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1531.168 1532.455 1531.22 1532.2 One . Yes . 1532.02 1532.2 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1531.808 1532.336 1531.83 1532.3 One . 1532.3 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1532.64 1533.456 1532.66 1533.42 Yeah , one . 1533.12 1533.42 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1533.936 1538.604 1534.05 1538.39 One , one , one , okay . And how about the feel ? 1534.48 1534.8 1535.17 1536.17 1538.39 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1541.228 1546.832 1541.26 1546.8 Taking into um consideration texture and comfort in the hand . 1546.8 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1547.744 1549.744 1547.76 1549.71 Uh , I think I would give it a two . 1548.46 1549.71 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1550.416 1554.656 1550.51 1554.62 Okay , I gave it a three , two , yeah ? Three . 1551.25 1552.5 1553.05 1554.1 1554.62 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1552.658 1553.856 1553.05 1553.81 I'll give three . 1553.81 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1555.68 1557.6 1555.7 1557.56 Uh maybe two , yeah . 1557.41 1557.56 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1556.768 1557.92 1556.87 1557.89 Two , okay . 1557.3 1557.89 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1559.168 1566.912 1559.19 1566.912 And the next is functionality where I I admit I was a little hard on our team here , but 1566.34 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1569.2 1577.888 1569.22 1577.888 Well it's also you can't really try it out uh the other things you have have more is are more tangible so from that point of view but um - IS1009d D FIO089 3 1571.216 1572.448 1571.89 1572.41 Yeah . 1572.41 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1574.912 1575.536 1575.02 1575.5 Mm-hmm . 1575.5 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1580.864 1582.08 1580.88 1582.04 I'll give it a three . 1582.04 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1582.208 1583.44 1582.23 1583.4 Okay . 1583.4 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1586.256 1586.528 1586.28 1586.43 Two . 1586.43 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1586.816 1587.888 1586.86 1587.75 Two , okay . 1587.25 1587.75 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1588.672 1590.224 1588.69 1590.19 Uh three , mm-hmm . 1589.93 1590.19 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1589.456 1590.688 1589.55 1590.53 Three ? 1590.53 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1591.984 1592.751 1592.0 1592.62 Okay . 1592.62 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1594.127 1595.616 1594.32 1595.57 Well , um . 1594.73 1595.57 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1597.664 1619.136 1598.03 1619.1 It looks like we've got got ourselves a pretty good product . Um the functionality's the only place where maybe we have to think about m m maybe , heaven forbid , having another meeting . But um otherwise I think we're we're ready to go to go with this product . 1601.56 1609.27 1609.94 1613.62 1619.1 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1611.6 1613.548 1611.6 1613.548 Yeah . 1612.79 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1620.656 1625.056 1620.68 1625.01 Anybody else have any other comments or any other things that we feel we should evaluate ? 1625.01 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1630.4 1631.312 1630.43 1630.87 Uh . 1630.87 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1637.632 1644.208 1637.65 1644.17 Here is what we looking at uh satisfaction on for example room for creativity . 1644.17 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1645.424 1646.384 1645.44 1646.35 Um . 1646.35 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1649.792 1654.297 1649.81 1653.91 Is there more room for creativity or are we absolutely happy ? 1653.91 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1655.312 1656.065 1655.33 1656.065 Maybe we can - IS1009d B FIO087 1 1655.135 1657.492 1655.36 1657.24 We can always improve , yes . 1656.74 1657.24 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1656.8 1675.192 1656.82 1674.6 yeah , include some more buttons and uh um yeah features . We can make the buttons few buttons smaller . Uh I think they are quite big , so I think I I mean we can just have small buttons and more buttons in that case . If we want to have more features than that . 1657.13 1661.06 1663.42 1666.52 1672.06 1674.6 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1658.672 1659.849 1658.69 1659.78 Yes , features . 1659.11 1659.78 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1674.416 1674.832 1674.44 1674.79 Mm-hmm . 1674.79 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1676.4 1702.96 1676.42 1702.93 Well then again if we're gonna um do the speech recognition thing we're gon there gonna be some buttons that are gonna have to be added for that for the recording of the the speech . So that that's where we're gonna have to do maybe we can eliminate one of the mute buttons , instead of having two mute buttons . And um then maybe we can do something with the um 1687.75 1693.8 1695.98 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1681.184 1681.552 1681.21 1681.52 Yeah . 1681.52 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1683.868 1685.292 1684.04 1685.17 Yeah , definitely . 1684.53 1685.17 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1684.704 1685.498 1684.79 1685.36 Yes . 1685.36 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1686.964 1688.023 1687.27 1687.9 Voices . 1687.9 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1687.471 1687.833 1687.52 1687.74 Mm-hmm . 1687.74 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1693.36 1696.718 1693.38 1696.63 Yeah , definitely , yeah , two mu mute buttons . 1693.73 1694.61 1694.93 1696.63 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1693.718 1694.577 1693.91 1694.5 Yes . 1694.5 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1695.569 1696.261 1695.75 1695.98 Yes . 1695.98 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1704.048 1707.936 1704.25 1707.89 the volume control . Maybe we can put that all on one button . 1705.35 1707.89 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1708.368 1708.832 1708.39 1708.79 Hmm . 1708.79 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1709.12 1718.08 1709.18 1718.04 Um and a couple of other th maybe comp uh consolidate some of the usage an and see what we can do with that . 1718.04 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1718.288 1718.656 1718.32 1718.41 Mm-hmm . 1718.41 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1718.326 1743.984 1718.58 1743.95 Y um al always bearing in mind that right now we are of course well within the budget and that we still you know we probably can't , with this particular item , we probably can't just uh add a whole lot of more things . Uh um we need uh you know we need to leave space money-wise for the voice recogniser . 1727.4 1729.09 1733.41 1743.95 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1718.828 1720.544 1719.06 1720.544 And maybe - IS1009d D FIO089 3 1722.739 1723.269 1722.84 1723.16 Mm-hmm . 1723.16 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1732.864 1733.424 1732.91 1733.29 No . 1733.29 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1733.854 1734.448 1733.97 1734.38 Yeah . 1734.38 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1741.28 1741.808 1741.45 1741.77 Mm-hmm . 1741.77 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1744.032 1744.592 1744.16 1744.55 Mm-hmm . 1744.55 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1744.341 1744.823 1744.56 1744.66 Yes . 1744.66 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1745.504 1746.64 1745.52 1746.61 Um . 1746.61 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1745.405 1746.108 1745.56 1745.91 Mm-hmm . 1745.91 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1749.84 1766.688 1749.86 1766.58 So th the question really is how do we feel with the project process ? Uh , um are we happy with the creativity that has passed here or we're not happy with the new product we created or that was created ? 1754.38 1755.59 1766.58 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1768.0 1771.472 1768.06 1771.43 Uh I think personally I think uh I'm pretty happy . 1771.43 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1771.648 1776.048 1771.7 1775.98 I'm pretty happy with it too , yeah um , it's something I think I can market . Yeah . 1772.84 1773.75 1775.76 1775.98 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1772.32 1773.451 1772.49 1773.31 Even I'm happy . 1773.31 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1772.56 1774.048 1772.58 1774.01 Um an - IS1009d C FIO084 2 1775.216 1775.6 1775.25 1775.52 Yeah . 1775.52 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1776.112 1782.816 1776.13 1782.816 and then the next question is are we happy with the leadership of this project ? Uh 1782.16 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1782.131 1787.168 1782.131 1787.168 I think you've done a good job , Miss leader . 1783.93 1786.97 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1784.0 1786.761 1784.02 1786.68 Yes , yes you've done a good job . 1784.59 1786.68 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1784.256 1786.688 1784.37 1786.688 Yeah , yeah , definitely . 1785.1 1785.5 1786.46 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1785.741 1791.823 1785.86 1791.68 And I think team work I think was very very good , I think we really yeah . 1789.91 1791.68 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1789.539 1793.104 1789.81 1793.02 Yeah I d I do too I think we worked well together as a team , yeah . Mm-hmm . 1792.47 1792.74 1793.02 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1789.753 1790.427 1790.06 1790.35 Mm-hmm . 1790.35 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1791.025 1791.608 1791.05 1791.37 Yeah . 1791.37 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1792.429 1793.107 1792.54 1792.94 Yeah . 1792.94 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1792.475 1793.425 1792.57 1793.29 Mm-hmm . 1793.29 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1793.923 1803.28 1793.98 1803.15 And uh I think we are we happy with the means we used ? We used whiteboard , we didn't use digital p well digital pens I guess are these things . 1798.99 1800.16 1803.15 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1803.2 1808.144 1803.22 1808.11 Yeah maybe we could've used the whiteboard a little bit more , yeah , we didn't use that enough . 1806.34 1806.89 1808.11 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1804.634 1807.936 1804.93 1807.86 Whiteboard more , yes , yes . 1805.95 1807.55 1807.86 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1806.333 1807.736 1806.36 1807.57 Yeah , probably . 1807.1 1807.57 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1807.408 1822.579 1807.45 1822.01 Yes , we could . Uh , it's maybe not in the best position in the room um you know like sometimes it's positioned so that it's much better visible for everybody and I think from that point of view we sort of ignored it a little bit . 1807.84 1808.64 1809.27 1822.01 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1818.224 1818.752 1818.26 1818.72 Mm-hmm . 1818.72 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1821.952 1824.449 1822.05 1824.21 And we used the slide because it was better positioned . 1824.21 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1822.055 1822.864 1822.31 1822.78 Yes . 1822.78 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1823.038 1835.328 1823.038 1835.27 Yes , I think so , I think absolutely , and fortunately we all had slides presentation which made it a little easier . Um did we new did we find new ideas ? I think we did . 1824.47 1825.16 1826.36 1831.35 1834.41 1835.27 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1824.365 1824.9 1824.41 1824.71 Yeah . 1824.71 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1824.578 1825.176 1824.98 1825.13 No . 1825.13 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1825.344 1826.73 1825.37 1826.7 Mm I think that's true mm-hmm . 1826.7 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1830.416 1830.768 1830.44 1830.72 Hmm . 1830.72 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1830.916 1831.547 1830.94 1831.38 Yes . 1831.38 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1830.912 1831.376 1830.94 1831.3 Mm-hmm . 1831.3 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1835.304 1836.904 1835.4 1836.77 Yeah , many . 1835.97 1836.77 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1835.312 1838.152 1835.45 1837.98 I think we were we were very good , yeah , mm . 1837.28 1837.61 1837.98 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1837.248 1845.056 1837.27 1844.71 I think we we did , uh in more than one respect and uh so I think we did very well here . 1838.58 1844.71 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1840.4 1841.197 1840.43 1841.0 Mm-hmm . 1841.0 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1846.48 1846.816 1846.51 1846.73 Okay . 1846.73 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1847.168 1859.056 1847.19 1859.056 Are the costs within budget ? Yes , yes . Uh is the project evaluated ? Yes . Um then celebration . 1848.48 1848.71 1849.47 1852.32 1853.67 1858.61 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1851.792 1852.63 1851.9 1852.6 Yes , yes . 1852.15 1852.6 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1853.056 1853.424 1853.09 1853.39 Yeah . 1853.39 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1853.478 1865.765 1853.74 1865.765 Celebration . Today we have apple juice and after we sell m million of 'em we have champagne . 1858.96 1865.54 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1854.834 1858.592 1854.98 1858.592 Cel celebration yes , yes . 1856.82 1858.49 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1855.879 1859.056 1855.9 1859.056 Ah . 1858.84 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1864.128 1871.568 1864.64 1871.53 So I I thank you all very much . Um , I think this was very good and um 1867.76 1868.43 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1869.808 1870.641 1869.94 1870.51 Mm-hmm . 1870.51 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1869.886 1870.512 1870.05 1870.45 Yeah . 1870.45 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1872.704 1880.912 1872.72 1880.86 I think we did come up with a new product that's uh feasible . Feasible from the production point of view and feasible from a marketing point of view . 1876.69 1880.86 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1876.499 1877.029 1876.62 1876.9 Mm-hmm . 1876.9 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1880.72 1881.04 1880.74 1880.95 Mm-hmm . 1880.95 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1882.784 1884.176 1882.8 1884.12 So , thank you . 1883.64 1884.12 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1882.976 1883.296 1883.01 1883.25 Okay . 1883.25 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1883.522 1883.992 1883.61 1883.76 Yeah . 1883.76 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1884.272 1884.993 1884.29 1884.86 Thank you . 1884.86 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1884.295 1885.248 1884.33 1885.21 Thank you very much . 1885.21 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1884.736 1889.568 1884.76 1889.53 Okay . Watch I I have my cord behind you here . Okay . 1886.46 1889.3 1889.53 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1888.224 1888.752 1888.25 1888.7 Okay . 1888.7 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1894.176 1896.608 1894.21 1896.608 I always get it on here , but getting it off is 1895.39 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1896.544 1898.899 1896.56 1898.82 Do we do we have some time left ? 1898.82 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1901.088 1902.912 1901.11 1902.912 Uh you have - IS1009d B FIO087 1 1902.896 1904.08 1902.92 1904.02 They say it's forty minutes . 1904.02 IS1009d A FIE088 0 1904.768 1906.208 1904.79 1905.98 Ah yes we have time later but we don't - IS1009d D FIO089 3 1904.826 1911.824 1905.01 1911.79 But we we were told we could end the final meeting at any time , whenever we felt we were finished . 1909.41 1911.79 IS1009d B FIO087 1 1908.701 1909.31 1908.84 1909.11 Okay . 1909.11 IS1009d C FIO084 2 1909.056 1909.961 1909.08 1909.69 Oh , alright . 1909.14 1909.69 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1918.32 1922.144 1918.56 1921.97 It'll take me the rest of the time to get my microphone out from my necklace . 1921.97 IS1009d D FIO089 3 1925.088 1926.094 1925.17 1925.75 Oh , there we go . 1925.3 1925.75 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 13.32 27.181 13.46 27.181 So uh good morning . I see you all find your places . Is everybody sitting on the right place ? Yeah ? I guess so . So 16.73 19.56 21.25 23.32 26.29 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 15.344 15.568 15.344 15.568 Morning . 15.568 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 15.055 15.856 15.37 15.81 Morning . 15.81 TS3003a C MTD0010ID 2 16.304 16.736 16.42 16.7 Morning . 16.7 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 19.605 20.197 19.67 20.03 Yep . 20.03 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 32.351 33.44 32.64 33.37 Let's see . 33.37 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 35.619 48.784 35.95 48.42 First I will introduce myself . I don't know if uh if everybody knows me , so I'm Bart , hello . Hello . Bart . Hello . Hello . Bart . Welcome . 38.09 39.83 41.67 42.74 43.81 44.41 45.35 45.9 47.03 48.42 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 40.527 41.563 40.79 41.49 My name's Frank . 41.49 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 42.944 43.76 42.99 43.62 I'm . 43.62 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 48.08 48.48 48.1 48.44 Thank you . 48.44 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 50.08 58.144 50.14 58.01 Uh let's see . Uh let's start off um with a little presentation . 54.15 58.01 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 61.875 62.987 62.27 62.92 Uh - TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 65.35 101.488 65.58 101.45 Now first I'll tell you a little bit about the setting . You can see there are a few cameras here . They'll record uh our actions and you'll have wires and microphones that will record your voice . Uh there are also some microphones there but th um you don't have to pay a lot of attention on those , because it will uh disappear when you don't attend to it . So is there a project documents folder ? There are some notes in it already I see , some documents . Uh I'll start with the presentation kick off . 68.35 70.37 77.97 84.16 90.14 94.24 96.94 99.19 101.45 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 106.775 114.096 106.87 113.75 Is being modified by the administrator . Uh okay . Let's do it read only . 109.68 112.06 113.75 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 109.472 113.722 109.472 113.53 Hmm , that's interesting . 112.57 113.53 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 116.64 139.296 116.66 138.65 Well I don't know if you've noticed , but uh we're working for Real Reaction . Uh it's a company in uh electronics . We put fashion in electronics , uh we make it work , uh we put a lot of effort in design and in the product itself . I'm Bart the project manager so I'll direct you through the project . 119.68 122.27 125.29 126.8 129.36 134.76 138.65 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 140.608 141.856 140.63 141.77 This is our agenda . 141.77 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 142.902 148.336 142.902 147.71 Uh we have our opening acquaintance , tool training , project plan description closing . 145.33 146.32 147.71 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 149.648 159.424 149.67 159.02 Uh maybe I can sit down , then I can take some notes or Let's see . 152.3 159.02 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 161.216 190.928 161.34 190.52 Maybe you can take the minutes once in a while . I dunno it's not a lot of work , but just uh if you hear something uh you can write down , just write it down . Uh as you can see uh it's the opening , aquaintance tool training . Aquaintance is a point we've done a bit . Um have you all seen the corporate website already ? Yeah . Have you seen any flaws in it ? I think I found one . No ? 164.42 165.72 169.46 171.36 174.1 175.25 179.17 183.14 184.23 187.01 189.49 190.52 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 163.696 164.48 163.72 164.0 Sure . 164.0 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 182.432 184.329 182.45 183.53 Yep . Visit it . 183.07 183.53 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 182.672 182.896 182.69 182.86 Yep . 182.86 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 189.401 189.952 189.69 189.83 Hmm ? 189.83 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 190.8 192.672 190.89 192.672 Can't say I paid much attention to it , but 192.47 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 193.072 194.016 193.52 193.96 I can - TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 195.968 252.192 196.05 252.14 see if it works this way . No , it doesn't work here . Okay no problem . But um on the corporate information side there's a th uh there was Real Remote instead of Real Reaction . Real Remote is not really the company we're we are , but it's just a little fault . Um okay , what are we going to do ? Uh our project aim is as you can see a new remote control . It has to be original , trendy , and user friendly . So these are uh the points why uh we also hired you . We've got the Marketing Expert for uh the trendy and user friendly look . And Industrial Designer uh there's also user friendly and a bit original . 197.53 197.67 200.54 203.35 212.74 215.19 219.34 220.96 223.35 227.35 228.46 229.38 231.13 238.11 246.29 252.14 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 212.144 212.72 212.16 212.68 Oh yeah . 212.68 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 216.025 216.95 216.09 216.79 Okay . Yeah . 216.48 216.79 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 238.129 238.721 238.31 238.61 Okay . 238.61 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 252.983 258.992 252.983 258.992 And we've got our User Interface Designer . He's also uh 257.76 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 256.939 257.36 257.2 257.32 Yep . 257.32 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 260.352 262.096 260.37 262.06 That's about the new remote control . 262.06 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 263.136 279.968 263.16 279.92 Uh project method um is uh there are three phases we are going through . First is functional des uh design , individual work , meetings . After the functional design , then the conceptual design and the detailed design . 270.9 273.37 274.17 275.68 277.23 279.92 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 281.136 286.976 281.136 286.84 I had some role indications on here . 286.84 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 288.032 329.072 288.19 328.16 But I think you know it already by yourself . The Industrial Designer is going to work on the working design , uh components design and a bit of the look and feel design . Uh the User Interface Designer is going to do the technical function design , user interface concept and user interface design . And the marketing expert is doing a little bit of user requirement specification , trend watching and project uh product ev evaluation . So that's a bit what you're going to do . But that will be all worked out in uh other meetings . 291.78 296.52 301.24 306.65 311.03 316.74 321.9 324.73 328.16 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 332.144 362.544 332.18 362.51 Then we've got our first tool training . We are going to work with a lot of high-tech tools here , so it's ab it's handy if we have a little bit of training first . As you can see we've got the smart boards here and here in the white board . Um in the white board here there's a little tool bar on this side . Here are some functions . You can save . N uh these functions we don't have anything to do with , only undo , you can undo a little 335.24 338.39 342.63 348.7 355.79 356.82 357.9 360.73 361.39 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 363.856 408.8 363.9 408.73 uh piece of drawing . A blank new document for each person . Uh select a pen , eraser . Capture we don't have to do anything with . Uh then we've got our pen . This pen . It's really funny because you can draw with it on this page um in the think it is form of . You can also select the current colour and the line width . But then first you have to select the pen function . But we're going to work with it in a minute . So okay . Uh that's very simple and it's easy to uh draw your findings and drawings on there . 365.63 368.97 370.36 371.44 374.23 378.67 380.05 389.28 393.05 396.73 400.11 402.61 408.73 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 380.095 380.761 380.19 380.66 'Kay . 380.66 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 392.592 392.832 392.63 392.76 Hmm . 392.76 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 409.655 410.864 409.655 410.81 Uh then - TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 412.208 437.456 412.4 436.97 a short thing about documents . We've got our shared folder , uh project project what was it ? Project documents I think . But all you will found that already because there are a lot of documents in it already , so it will be okay . And these are available on the smart boards as well , so if you have a document you wanna show , just open it from the folder . 415.13 416.86 419.35 422.79 426.53 428.95 432.85 435.39 436.97 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 435.232 435.696 435.26 435.65 Okay . 435.65 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 436.091 436.461 436.27 436.38 Yeah . 436.38 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 439.392 449.616 439.41 449.47 Here is a simple tool bar . It's what I just said , it's save , print , move back or forward one page . You can switch between the different drawings . 440.97 441.91 442.8 444.24 447.51 449.47 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 452.49 454.928 452.64 454.79 And then we're going to try out the white board . 454.79 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 455.92 469.6 455.92 469.6 So as you can see we g all going to draw a animal . Just to uh uh just to get a bit familiar with it . Mouse wasn't running away . 461.19 467.85 469.32 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 468.943 470.16 469.28 470.06 That was interesting . 470.06 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 470.768 477.264 471.33 477.21 Is everybody is anybody playing with the mouse ? No . Okay . We're going to uh draw animal . 473.51 473.94 475.34 477.21 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 473.114 475.962 473.114 475.78 Innocent . 475.78 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 477.934 508.048 477.934 508.01 And uh just sum up a few of its favourite characteristics . Um the only thing we have to uh look after is that we use different colours , and different line width . Uh there's I can start from now . I will . You can use this pen by holding it like a like a little child . Because if you hold it like this , the sensors will get blocked and then the drawing won't get good . 483.67 490.54 492.13 496.07 497.87 501.77 503.74 508.01 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 506.192 506.608 506.21 506.56 Okay . 506.56 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 506.72 506.96 506.74 506.93 'Kay . 506.93 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 509.28 541.936 509.3 541.936 Another thing is you have to be uh a bit slow . 'Cause if you're going to draw like really fast then um the pen won't hold up . So we choose form of current colour uh I think grey is appropriate . Then the line width . I think seven will be nice . Now you'll see my drawing capabilities . These are not very much , but uh 513.66 518.95 528.98 529.9 535.02 538.63 539.63 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 543.6 545.856 543.62 545.79 Uh , see you have to do it real slow . 544.31 545.79 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 554.336 555.6 554.37 555.6 Oh - TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 569.792 570.32 569.81 570.19 Sure . 570.19 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 571.104 578.102 571.13 578.0 Ah I was trying to draw a dolphin , but I think his nose has to be a little bit But it's close . 573.94 578.0 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 577.112 578.96 577.62 578.93 I'm thinking about a swordfish . 578.93 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 579.6 583.36 579.62 583.31 So what yeah it's this is bit of the swordfish . Yeah , he hasn't got an eye . 582.04 582.21 583.31 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 579.713 580.806 579.9 580.63 Yeah . Yeah . 580.47 580.63 TS3003a C MTD0010ID 2 583.648 586.016 583.648 585.16 Mm-hmm . 585.16 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 584.736 592.0 584.94 591.97 Woah . Now we've got another function . We've got the eraser . And then you can undo 586.55 587.75 590.63 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 588.666 595.386 588.666 595.386 . 595.386 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 593.488 595.792 593.54 595.76 this easily . 595.76 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 595.386 596.0 595.67 595.97 Meat . 595.97 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 596.784 607.442 596.84 607.442 Ah it's okay . And I've got to write down a few of its characteristics . Uh is 598.78 604.29 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 612.147 614.992 612.42 614.69 They've got no text tool , no . 613.83 614.69 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 617.52 617.824 617.56 617.71 Uh . 617.71 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 627.184 637.968 627.184 637.6 Okay . This is typically a undo action , I think . Pen . 630.67 633.24 636.77 637.6 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 633.797 635.712 633.99 635.712 Yeah . 635.42 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 639.872 641.104 639.89 641.07 Maybe you have to hold it a bit - TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 642.976 653.552 643.0 653.552 upside-down . I think that's it because if you wan ar are going to do it like this then it will be a stripe . But I don't know , I'm just trying . 644.08 650.73 651.92 653.19 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 655.68 663.2 655.68 663.2 This is not my work , okay . Maybe you have to use 660.35 661.82 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 661.2 661.536 661.22 661.5 Hmm . 661.5 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 670.784 672.272 670.81 671.26 Oh . 671.26 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 683.568 690.208 684.57 689.8 Uh . I think it's a it wants to draw a another animal ? I don't know . 684.84 689.29 689.8 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 691.552 693.28 691.57 693.19 It lives for the fun . 693.19 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 694.944 695.799 694.96 695.799 So - TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 700.224 714.192 700.24 714.07 It's my characteristic uh characteristic about the dolphin . It lives for the fun . So now I'm gonna hand over the pen on the new blank sheet to you . Go ahead . 703.19 704.77 711.94 714.07 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 704.544 705.626 704.56 705.626 Okay . 705.04 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 704.63 705.592 704.99 705.28 Okay . 705.28 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 711.652 712.8 712.06 712.46 Thank you . 712.46 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 714.32 716.496 714.35 716.29 Okay . 716.29 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 721.051 722.576 721.27 722.5 Gonna use a different line width . 722.5 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 724.438 726.288 724.63 726.13 And I'm gonna draw in black . 726.13 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 729.3 735.952 729.64 735.84 There . 'Kay , I'm not much of an artist , but here we go . 732.28 732.98 734.06 735.84 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 743.218 751.5 743.56 751.26 Maybe it's easier to draw the smaller line width , I think . Because this is going a lot better than uh I did . 747.51 748.38 751.26 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 748.176 748.432 748.2 748.37 Hmm . 748.37 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 766.96 767.552 767.04 767.47 A sheep . 767.47 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 783.088 783.584 783.14 783.53 Mm . 783.53 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 801.392 808.416 801.392 808.33 Okay . This is my um Hmm . 805.4 808.33 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 812.192 812.64 812.21 812.59 Sheep . 812.59 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 818.196 820.12 818.22 820.12 It's nice . 819.83 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 820.48 821.68 820.5 821.63 With of course - TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 829.832 833.232 829.94 833.2 little blue dot they always get sprayed on their butts . 833.2 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 829.841 830.544 830.05 830.49 Uh . 830.49 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 833.968 840.896 833.968 840.896 It's a real dead sheep , yeah . For recognition , yeah , I see . 836.04 836.69 838.01 838.36 840.81 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 834.998 836.224 835.07 835.66 There . 835.66 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 836.224 837.63 836.51 837.63 Yeah . 837.41 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 842.992 846.288 843.07 846.288 Um maybe you can also write your name somewhere . On just a 845.51 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 843.397 844.026 843.57 843.8 'Kay . 843.8 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 846.464 847.056 846.48 847.056 They are - TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 849.328 849.808 849.35 849.77 Come on . 849.77 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 858.8 860.528 858.82 860.49 You have to go really slow when you're writing . 860.49 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 861.536 862.608 861.61 862.42 Yeah . 862.42 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 879.424 883.248 879.44 883.16 They're brilliant animal animals . And that's just a little me thingy . 881.44 883.16 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 884.432 884.848 884.45 884.76 So . 884.76 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 888.528 892.512 888.55 891.91 Guess I'll pass the pen to our User Interface Designer . 891.91 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 889.584 895.952 889.6 895.952 Okay . Um I'm just gonna draw its uh head , but mm 890.86 894.32 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 889.631 890.256 889.79 890.21 Nice . 890.21 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 897.824 898.448 897.9 898.39 Let's see . 898.39 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 903.04 903.28 903.08 903.22 Mm . 903.22 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 915.136 915.616 915.22 915.55 Uh . 915.55 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 965.024 967.872 965.89 967.872 Okay . 967.52 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 968.16 972.448 968.16 972.448 Sweet . 972.27 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 967.952 969.317 968.53 968.9 Interesting . 968.9 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 971.504 973.744 971.52 973.52 Yeah . You know what that is ? 972.4 973.52 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 975.008 975.424 975.03 975.36 Or who ? 975.36 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 974.112 978.08 975.5 977.6 A rabbit ? Garfield . Yeah . 976.67 977.31 977.6 TS3003a C MTD0010ID 2 975.696 976.352 975.72 976.31 Garfield . 976.31 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 976.48 977.773 976.5 977.61 Ah okay , yeah . 977.11 977.61 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 978.4 978.944 978.48 978.944 Just a - TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 982.912 984.336 983.17 984.3 Mm . Guess . 983.96 984.3 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 986.416 988.036 986.52 988.036 So uh - TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 990.072 992.049 990.18 991.54 Yeah . That's enough . 990.99 991.54 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 993.044 995.398 993.06 995.398 Um , you say a blank , or 994.08 994.86 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 994.944 996.816 994.96 996.66 Yeah , just a blank sheet . 995.33 996.66 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 996.22 997.33 996.39 997.03 Okay . 997.03 TS3003a C MTD0010ID 2 1009.218 1021.296 1009.34 1020.6 Well I was gonna draw a cat too , so . I'll just try something else . Something different than Garfield . 1010.81 1014.47 1018.12 1020.6 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1017.349 1017.728 1017.51 1017.69 No . 1017.69 TS3003a C MTD0010ID 2 1039.824 1042.56 1039.84 1042.56 Mine is a bit more skinny . 1042.46 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1041.104 1043.792 1041.12 1043.792 Yeah , it's pretty skinny cat . 1041.4 1043.51 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1041.488 1042.523 1041.64 1042.523 Yeah . 1042.33 TS3003a C MTD0010ID 2 1042.56 1045.536 1042.56 1045.536 But uh - TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1045.664 1047.376 1045.68 1047.0 And the most interesting tail . 1047.0 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1048.4 1053.472 1048.55 1053.472 Is your cat , or did you find him on the street ? 1049.17 1052.83 TS3003a C MTD0010ID 2 1056.88 1061.36 1056.9 1061.18 Well , it's supposed to be a cat . I like cats because uh 1058.59 1059.71 TS3003a C MTD0010ID 2 1062.992 1064.688 1064.07 1064.56 they are uh - TS3003a C MTD0010ID 2 1067.504 1068.521 1067.52 1068.2 independent . 1068.2 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1071.216 1072.128 1071.46 1072.07 Ah . 1072.07 TS3003a C MTD0010ID 2 1074.88 1075.392 1074.9 1075.25 The pen . 1075.25 TS3003a C MTD0010ID 2 1080.433 1081.579 1080.77 1081.07 So . 1081.07 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1081.52 1097.36 1081.61 1096.79 Okay . That's pretty clear . So everybody knows how to work with the white board now ? So if you have any ideas or if you wanna draw anything on the white board , just ask and go ahead . It's pretty uh easy . 1083.74 1084.95 1088.18 1091.77 1095.09 1096.79 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1088.772 1089.326 1088.79 1089.21 Yeah . 1089.21 TS3003a C MTD0010ID 2 1090.222 1091.184 1090.49 1090.84 The pen . 1090.84 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1098.96 1110.176 1098.96 1110.14 'Kay . S haunted white board . So we've got the tool uh introduction . We 1101.75 1106.77 1109.9 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1102.128 1103.087 1102.15 1102.98 We're being haunted . 1102.98 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1111.232 1151.722 1111.25 1151.43 move along to the project finance . Um as you can see , we um for our remote control , a selling price is uh twenty five Euros . Our selling price . Uh our profit aim is fifty million Euros . Uh that's the least we have to get from our remote controls , so we have to work together to reach our aims . Uh we can do it international , so we have to focus on different kind of users , different kind of cultures , and different kind of trends as well . Um but that's all in the later stadium . 1115.06 1118.4 1121.66 1124.3 1126.48 1129.46 1134.06 1137.75 1140.05 1143.33 1144.96 1147.17 1151.43 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1151.722 1188.384 1152.33 1187.7 Our production cost um can be maximal twelve and a half Euros , so that's also a point we have to keep in mind , that we won't make remote controls with small televisions inside , and stuff like that . It won't work . So just try to remember these points . Selling price twenty five , profit aims fifty million um , but more important is the int international market we're trying to focus on . And production cost uh maximal twelve and a half Euros . 1159.34 1162.38 1167.56 1168.83 1170.61 1173.94 1175.35 1178.21 1183.93 1187.7 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1189.456 1211.248 1189.48 1211.248 So that's leads us to our little discussion . We've got about five or ten minutes left for discussion . So I'm gonna sit down , I think . It's easier . I've got a message . Five minutes . Okay , that's uh good timing . 1192.75 1197.84 1200.48 1201.4 1204.42 1206.22 1206.98 1207.6 1211.18 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1201.952 1202.992 1201.97 1202.96 Yeah , you got a message . 1202.2 1202.96 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 1206.944 1208.297 1206.96 1208.02 Five minutes , okay . 1207.56 1208.02 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1210.032 1214.192 1210.06 1214.14 So just on a side note , why is it my laptop is only giving me a black screen ? 1211.33 1214.14 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 1214.512 1214.816 1214.55 1214.74 Mm ? 1214.74 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1215.168 1219.648 1215.19 1219.648 Uh maybe you have to say the magic word . 1219.52 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1217.904 1220.016 1217.904 1219.9 Yeah . Right . 1219.55 1219.9 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1220.944 1222.256 1221.07 1222.08 Does it do anything ? 1222.08 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1222.72 1223.024 1222.74 1222.99 No . 1222.99 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1223.392 1225.584 1223.42 1225.53 Maybe you have to just clap it down ? 1225.53 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1227.792 1229.264 1228.28 1229.14 Mm back up again . 1229.14 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1233.936 1236.0 1233.96 1235.96 No slide show . Hmm . 1235.68 1235.96 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1236.096 1236.704 1236.12 1236.67 It's off now . 1236.67 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1237.312 1241.392 1237.33 1241.02 It's off . Now you have to put it back o Oh yeah . You'll be okay , I think . 1237.99 1239.48 1240.04 1241.02 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1240.512 1241.6 1240.53 1241.6 Well , it was on , but 1240.65 1241.43 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1243.392 1247.136 1243.81 1247.136 Well it's those laptops . 1246.49 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1247.056 1247.824 1247.08 1247.79 Ah , there we are . 1247.4 1247.79 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1248.352 1267.511 1248.38 1267.46 Nice . Okay . But so mm does everybody has um experiences with uh remote controls , and I mean not the ordinary mote controls , but also a little bit different ones ? Like you can use for other ? No ? You ? 1249.11 1249.98 1256.61 1259.28 1262.51 1265.55 1267.17 1267.46 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 1261.968 1262.384 1261.99 1262.32 Mm . 1262.32 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 1264.208 1264.784 1264.37 1264.74 Oh really ? 1264.74 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 1265.984 1266.272 1266.08 1266.21 Huh . 1266.21 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1267.008 1268.346 1267.46 1268.2 Well , we have a 1267.71 TS3003a C MTD0010ID 2 1267.451 1268.496 1267.78 1268.43 No , me neither . 1267.98 1268.43 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 1267.753 1268.751 1267.79 1268.751 It's a - TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1268.79 1284.464 1269.1 1284.42 kind of broad T_V_ at home , and a D_V_D_ player , so we got like a lot of remote controls , one for the T_V_ , one for the video recorder , one for the D_V_D_ player . And I think it's it would be best to just make one remote control that can operate them all . 1270.87 1272.01 1275.08 1275.86 1277.5 1280.3 1284.42 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1278.938 1279.68 1279.05 1279.58 Ah yeah . 1279.58 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1284.656 1318.96 1284.68 1318.93 Yep . Yeah I've I've got one at home . And you can uh program I think eight different devices in it , and you can use it for your television , anything else . And it also operates on infra-red , so you have to got the little device inside your room , and then you can operate it from the third or th or second floor . So that's pretty handy when you have a video recorder or D_V_D_ player downstairs and you've got a link to your T_V_ on the second floor . So that's a pretty handy um 1285.64 1287.77 1293.05 1295.35 1296.53 1299.04 1303.26 1308.68 1317.16 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 1285.024 1286.464 1285.04 1286.42 Sure . Yeah . 1286.22 1286.42 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 1294.768 1296.156 1294.79 1296.01 Okay , yeah . Yeah . 1295.13 1295.8 1296.01 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 1306.177 1307.697 1306.36 1307.51 Okay , yeah . 1306.87 1307.51 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1308.032 1308.56 1308.09 1308.52 Oh really . 1308.52 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 1308.787 1309.268 1308.88 1309.18 Hmm . 1309.18 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 1313.633 1314.336 1313.86 1313.94 Oh . 1313.94 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1316.736 1317.024 1316.76 1316.98 Yeah . 1316.98 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 1317.101 1317.702 1317.12 1317.64 Mm-hmm . 1317.64 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1320.096 1320.576 1320.19 1320.53 thing . 1320.53 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1321.394 1324.656 1321.394 1324.6 Um but only the - TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1325.664 1334.816 1325.68 1334.816 I think that if you can put different kind of devices in one remote control , it makes it a lot easier as well . It's uh 1331.84 1334.01 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1333.959 1334.661 1334.2 1334.43 Yeah . 1334.43 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 1335.088 1335.328 1335.11 1335.24 Oh . 1335.24 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1336.432 1337.779 1336.45 1337.57 That's good to remember . 1337.57 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1337.728 1339.712 1337.75 1339.67 So I think you can take minutes again . 1339.67 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1339.689 1345.011 1339.89 1344.82 Yeah , that's nice , I think . So we've we want different functions 1340.51 1341.05 1342.5 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1341.486 1342.432 1341.55 1342.4 Since it's your job . 1342.4 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1346.064 1346.352 1346.08 1346.31 Yeah . 1346.31 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1346.736 1360.24 1346.76 1360.21 uh and we can maybe see if we can do something with the infra-red . But I don't know if that will exceed the production costs . So that uh that's something we have to find out , I think . 1354.2 1357.2 1359.72 1360.21 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 1357.08 1357.635 1357.36 1357.58 Mm . 1357.58 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1360.48 1365.008 1360.5 1365.008 Yeah . But that would be really good if we could do that . 1361.38 1364.78 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1365.872 1368.96 1365.91 1368.93 And other functions for a remote control ? 1368.93 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1370.384 1373.328 1370.4 1373.29 Maybe we can make it uh uh - TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1370.802 1371.584 1371.08 1371.55 Um . 1371.55 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 1371.433 1372.062 1371.45 1371.8 Mm-hmm . 1371.8 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1374.224 1375.376 1374.24 1375.34 Think it has to be shock proof - TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 1376.016 1376.76 1376.04 1376.71 Sure , yeah . 1376.52 1376.71 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1376.608 1376.96 1376.63 1376.89 'cause - TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1377.216 1378.208 1377.25 1378.06 Shock proof . 1378.06 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1378.384 1380.48 1378.4 1380.45 my remote control tends to fall a lot . 1380.45 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 1379.68 1381.104 1379.77 1381.104 Waterproof , or uh 1380.43 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1381.024 1382.877 1381.024 1382.74 Sure . 1382.74 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1381.84 1382.24 1381.86 1382.24 So - TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 1382.16 1384.944 1382.19 1384.944 Uh , you never no know uh , I w I mean uh 1382.52 1383.7 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1386.848 1387.889 1386.87 1387.63 Waterproof . 1387.63 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1389.51 1400.336 1389.76 1400.3 Okay . So these are our um a few things we can think of . Um I will put the minutes from this meeting uh in our project folder . 1390.19 1395.0 1400.3 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 1401.312 1401.552 1401.33 1401.52 'Kay . 1401.52 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1401.472 1407.68 1401.49 1407.63 Yeah , one other little thing . Thought it might be handy to put a battery status display on it . 1401.8 1403.81 1407.63 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1408.72 1409.456 1408.75 1409.4 So you can see - TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1408.736 1410.432 1408.77 1410.4 That's a battery stays . 1410.4 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 1410.352 1411.391 1410.37 1411.23 Okay , yeah . 1410.82 1411.23 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1410.832 1412.16 1410.85 1412.13 how much is left in the battery . 1412.13 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1414.304 1420.0 1414.32 1419.94 But they'll also really drag up the production costs , so think we'll have to see about that too . 1417.75 1419.94 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1418.57 1419.162 1418.64 1418.95 Yeah . 1418.95 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 1420.288 1420.608 1420.32 1420.56 Mm . 1420.56 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1421.552 1421.888 1421.57 1421.73 Uh . 1421.73 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1422.144 1424.4 1422.16 1424.37 But maybe just a little LED , I don't know . 1423.95 1424.37 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1425.6 1427.952 1425.62 1427.92 That's an idea as well . Other ideas ? 1427.26 1427.92 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1429.264 1429.936 1429.28 1429.88 Quick ideas . 1429.88 TS3003a C MTD0010ID 2 1430.384 1432.56 1430.42 1432.56 Nope . They were all mentioned , so 1431.5 1432.32 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 1431.576 1432.094 1431.86 1432.06 Mm . 1432.06 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1432.448 1437.968 1432.47 1437.93 Okay . Any questions about this uh presentation ? Kick off presentation . 1433.28 1436.8 1437.93 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 1432.464 1432.8 1432.6 1432.77 Yeah . 1432.77 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1438.448 1438.928 1438.47 1438.89 Um . 1438.89 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1440.672 1441.856 1440.83 1441.79 Nope , don't think so . 1441.21 1441.79 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1442.432 1442.704 1442.45 1442.62 No ? 1442.62 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1443.744 1447.936 1443.76 1447.9 Okay , then I'll put the minutes from this meeting in the project folder , 1444.38 1447.9 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1449.328 1450.512 1449.35 1450.48 and then we can all work . 1450.48 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1451.664 1459.647 1451.74 1459.647 Finish meeting now . Okay . And we can all work uh on our own projects . 1454.05 1455.18 1459.55 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1453.696 1454.112 1453.73 1454.08 Okay . 1454.08 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1455.204 1456.387 1455.29 1455.82 Aye sir . 1455.82 TS3003a A MTD009PM 0 1468.16 1476.479 1468.18 1474.94 Okay then I'll meet you in about a half an hour , I think . So good luck . 1472.89 1474.55 1476.39 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1471.92 1472.608 1472.02 1472.5 Half an hour . 1472.5 TS3003a C MTD0010ID 2 1473.952 1474.336 1474.04 1474.3 Okay . 1474.3 TS3003a B MTD011UID 1 1474.185 1475.665 1474.21 1475.55 Okay . Yep . 1475.42 1475.55 TS3003a D MTD012ME 3 1474.256 1475.328 1474.28 1475.26 Okay . 1475.26 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 56.762 71.139 57.11 71.139 Okay . Everybody found his place again ? Yeah ? That's nice . Okay so this is our second meeting . And uh still failing ? 57.51 60.02 61.24 63.7 67.77 71.0 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 60.419 61.261 60.55 60.96 Yes . 60.96 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 71.732 72.338 71.8 72.11 Yeah . 72.11 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 72.72 92.642 72.76 92.45 Uh now we're going um into the functional design . Um important thing of this phase is that we're going to uh try to get an agreement about the user requirements , technical function design , and the working design . 77.26 88.25 90.89 92.45 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 92.642 107.776 93.12 107.776 So that we can move onto the second uh phase . But first this phase . Um first an announcement . There's a little adaptation in the air conditioning system . So 97.19 99.59 102.73 107.05 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 109.14 120.184 109.14 120.184 There's our ghost mouse again . That that means that you can have a little trouble with , little trouble with the air conditioning , that's because of this uh 112.88 116.59 118.35 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 120.262 121.103 120.38 120.74 Okay . 120.74 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 120.887 121.729 121.11 121.48 Okay . 121.48 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 121.408 139.258 121.57 139.11 It's in wing C_ and E_ . So it should be over in a in a while , couple of days . But it's going to be cold anyway , so I don't think you're gonna need it . Then our agenda . Now first the opening . Uh this time I will take the minutes . 123.39 126.3 128.53 129.9 134.39 135.84 137.47 139.11 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 132.679 133.453 132.84 133.18 No . 133.18 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 140.192 163.986 140.36 163.54 Uh you're going to have a presentation . All of you . Um and we've got forty minutes for the whole uh prese for the whole uh presentations . So uh I suggest we take about seven minutes per presentation , and then we can have a little discussion about the new project requirements uh which have been sent to me . 143.75 145.02 153.65 157.69 163.54 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 163.986 181.44 164.39 181.34 And then the decision on the control functions uh which we wanna include and those which we don't wanna include . So we've got forty minutes for all of it . So I suggest um let's start with the first presentation . Um who wants to be first ? 172.91 175.11 179.47 181.34 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 178.485 179.226 178.78 179.07 Yes . 179.07 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 182.66 183.772 182.76 183.55 Think I'll go first . 183.55 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 183.589 186.215 183.74 186.215 Okay . So 185.62 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 187.794 198.198 187.94 197.87 Just maybe it's easier if you um Yeah I think you will tell your presentation as well . Just which function you have and what you're gonna talk about . 193.37 197.87 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 206.413 211.194 206.59 210.91 'Kay . My name is Freek Van Ponnen . I'm the Market Expert . But you already knew that . 206.85 208.13 209.65 210.91 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 211.992 228.254 212.1 228.22 Um I've done some research . We have we uh have been doing research in a usability lab where we observed um users operating remote controls . Uh we let them fill out a questionnaire . We had one hundred of these uh test subjects . 214.26 223.02 225.56 228.22 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 229.197 236.84 229.36 236.64 Uh in addition we did some market research . Uh see what the market consists of . What ages are involved . 232.2 235.26 236.64 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 238.748 249.792 238.9 249.63 Well these are three quite astonishing results , I thought . Um remotes are being considered ugly . F uh seventy five percent of the um 243.58 244.6 247.53 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 250.768 263.361 250.97 263.361 people questioned uh indicated that they thought their remote were was ugly . Um and an additional eighty percent indicated that they would spend more money on a fancy-looking remote control . So 256.33 262.85 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 264.54 273.463 264.67 273.32 Um in addition remotes were not very functional . Fifty percent of the people indicated they only loo used about ten percent of the buttons on a remote control . 267.33 273.32 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 274.978 279.624 275.08 279.39 And fifty percent of the people indicated that their remote tended to get lost in their room . 279.39 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 280.298 281.207 280.47 280.8 So - TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 281.652 282.325 281.83 282.08 Mm . 282.08 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 282.251 283.294 282.33 283.07 some things . 283.07 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 285.091 302.262 285.34 302.22 Then we did some research to the most relevant functions . Channel selection and volume selection um both got a ten on a scale of one to ten for relevancy . The power button got a nine . And teletext got a six and a half . So these are the most 288.94 296.65 298.67 301.17 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 303.2 320.907 303.35 320.74 most uh important functions on a remote control . Then there are some one-time use function . That's what I like to call them . That uh audio settings , video settings , and channel settings buttons . Which are not really used very frequently , but are still considered to be of some importance . 307.0 309.28 310.87 312.51 313.34 315.5 318.62 320.74 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 321.992 329.601 322.1 329.43 Um channel selection was also indicated to be used very frequently . One hundred and sixty eight times per hour . 327.03 329.43 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 331.992 341.217 332.14 341.15 Then these are the This is the market . Um sixty percent of the market consists of users between the ages sixteen and forty f six . 335.02 341.15 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 342.112 342.736 342.13 342.736 Um - TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 343.956 356.953 344.14 356.953 Main characteristic of this group is that they're very critical on the remote control . Um they like to use new f new functions . But they also are very critical . They won't spend their money very easily . So 348.74 352.85 354.38 356.37 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 357.761 364.36 357.86 364.23 Um the users of forty six to sixty five years cons The make up forty percent of the market . 364.23 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 365.094 370.279 365.24 369.97 They are not really very interested in features . But they do tend to spend their money a lot easier . 367.31 369.97 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 373.808 374.387 373.83 374.387 Um - TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 375.262 378.394 375.35 378.11 What I think this indicates for our um - TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 379.336 384.926 379.43 384.8 design . I think we should make a remote for the future . And this means we would 380.68 383.36 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 385.868 389.976 386.0 389.84 um have to focus on the age ages sixteen to forty five . 389.84 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 390.674 399.495 390.82 399.38 Uh this also makes up most the biggest part of the market , so that will also be where our main profit would be gettable . 394.16 399.38 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 400.371 403.603 400.47 403.42 Um this would mean we would have to make a fancy design . 403.42 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 404.714 405.59 404.85 405.59 Um - TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 406.398 416.229 406.6 416.14 The results also indicated that um about one quarter of the people questioned thought that the remote control caused R_S_ R_S_I_ . 416.14 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 417.383 436.878 417.57 436.72 Um this is certainly something to take into account . And thirty four percent thought that it was hard to learn a n how to operate a new control , remote control . So these are two factors that I think should be included in the design . Besides of course that the remote must look very nice . 422.17 427.75 429.21 433.79 436.72 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 437.956 439.336 438.07 439.336 And the functionality - TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 440.296 451.878 440.41 451.75 As a lot of people indicated , they only use about ten percent of the buttons , I think we should make very few buttons . Uh this will also be uh beneficial to the design of the remote . 441.97 444.07 447.27 451.75 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 453.248 467.218 453.27 466.95 Uh I think the most frequently used buttons should be emphasised . Especially the channel selection and audio uh selection buttons . 'Cause they're used most and so they should be robust . They shouldn't break down easily . 456.7 461.62 465.39 466.95 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 469.036 470.012 469.16 470.012 Um - TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 471.478 478.592 471.64 478.51 Then as mo as a lot of people indicated that their um remote got lost in the room , it might be 477.95 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 479.6 496.36 479.62 496.29 and I say might be because it would um certainly boost the uh production costs a lot . But it might be a good idea to make a docking station . And this would , could get a button in it which would send a signal to the remote which would then beep . 486.78 489.85 490.99 496.29 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 496.36 504.09 496.55 503.92 So you'd know where it is in the room . And in addition to this it could um recharge the batteries in the remote if you put it in . 498.9 503.92 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 505.526 518.421 505.71 518.26 Then um a surprisingly great deal of people w indicated that um an L_C_D_ screen in the remote control would be preferred . This was um 517.11 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 519.396 536.097 519.58 535.74 mostly people in the age of sixteen to twenty five . But up till forty five it remains feasible . This would also greatly increase the production costs but I think these are just some small factors we could consider . 524.36 528.06 535.74 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 537.888 538.616 538.03 538.34 Okay . 538.34 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 538.42 539.632 538.59 539.25 That would be all . 539.25 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 539.93 545.351 540.04 545.16 Thank you . So anybody have um any questions until now ? 541.03 545.16 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 544.065 545.243 544.2 544.9 Any questions ? 544.9 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 546.128 547.119 546.16 546.78 Mm-hmm . 546.78 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 546.091 549.189 546.23 549.06 About functional requirements ? Okay that's clear . 548.29 549.06 TS3003b C MTD0010ID 2 547.747 548.589 547.87 548.25 No . 548.25 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 549.93 551.714 549.93 551.6 Now to the second . 551.6 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 550.082 550.886 550.33 550.53 'Kay . 550.53 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 560.191 572.736 560.28 572.736 Uh okay . Um I've been looking at uh the user interface of it . Um f for the techno f functions uh of of it . Um 561.39 567.75 571.18 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 567.488 567.712 567.51 567.66 Yeah . 567.66 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 574.392 578.6 574.62 578.6 Yeah you can take your time . We've got uh plenty of time , so 575.71 578.05 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 574.736 575.578 574.97 575.43 Okay . 575.43 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 576.858 577.363 576.96 577.16 Mm ? 577.16 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 577.089 582.186 577.42 581.87 Yeah you should go to the top thingy . Slide show . Oh yeah . 580.5 581.5 581.87 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 578.432 578.966 578.52 578.91 Oh . 578.91 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 580.08 580.615 580.1 580.52 Uh . 580.52 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 581.494 583.548 581.58 583.37 Yeah . There it is . Yeah . 582.3 583.19 583.37 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 581.524 582.097 581.65 581.91 Okay . 581.91 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 584.201 609.632 584.44 609.632 Um yeah . I think uh we uh must use the general functions uh of the uh remote control . Uh uh I've do I've uh done a little uh research on the internet and not much information about it , Um about uh interface but uh Uh 586.58 592.15 604.72 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 611.447 629.482 611.58 629.482 Yeah I I've been thinking about a simple manner uh to put a lot of functions uh uh in one um in one uh remote control . Uh so uh you've got a lot of devi uh devices like uh D_V_D_ uh uh television , uh stereo . So um 621.13 627.78 628.44 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 629.482 646.767 629.94 646.767 But uh it must be uh user-friendly . So um uh you c you can't put a a lot of uh functions uh in one uh Yeah . Uh uh uh Yeah . In one um remote control . But um 633.18 640.42 643.53 645.88 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 645.194 646.474 645.36 646.38 One remote . 646.38 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 648.526 649.166 648.56 648.94 Yeah . 648.94 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 651.166 663.474 651.28 663.18 Um yeah . Got uh many functions in one uh remote control , um but um yeah you can see , this is uh quite simple uh remote control . 654.8 658.01 660.58 663.18 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 663.474 675.023 663.54 675.023 Um few uh buttons but uh This uh re uh remote control got a a lot of uh buttons . Um uh people uh don't like it , uh so um 670.14 673.77 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 675.023 696.951 676.08 696.951 Well what uh I was uh thinking about was um uh keep the general functions uh like they are . So uh like uh the on-off uh button . Uh keep it uh yeah l like a red button . Uh everybody everybody knows it so uh uh you don't have to change that . Um 683.47 686.65 689.74 695.96 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 698.816 707.92 699.03 707.92 My personal uh preferences um . Use a display for uh specific uh functions of the different uh device . So um 701.83 707.06 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 708.928 714.912 708.95 714.912 Wh what I was th uh thinking about was um you've got um - TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 725.454 741.568 725.51 741.45 Uh this the remote control uh and uh you got here the general functions , uh like uh the on-off button uh sound uh I dunno um And um here you've got a s kind of a display . 732.17 741.45 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 742.546 764.56 742.76 764.52 It's a touchscreen . So um yeah you got a general f uh f the functions of the device uh for a D_V_D_ player or uh so um the pl yeah um f for uh playing uh reverse uh . And um you got here uh real buttons for uh selecting uh a device . 744.38 759.19 764.52 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 765.648 793.232 765.86 793.232 So um this button is for a D_V_D_ or So um for every um device you've got a uh a f a b a part uh display of a part buttons . So uh you you never got uh all the buttons uh on w one device . So uh that's uh my uh idea about it . Um yeah and 780.34 786.21 790.45 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 786.281 787.735 786.48 787.735 Hmm . 787.63 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 790.018 790.557 790.17 790.44 'Kay . 790.44 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 794.544 812.945 794.56 812.945 Uh let's see . Uh yeah . So a touchscreen . Uh and um th the buttons uh the real buttons uh we have to use um . We better c um uh use uh quite uh large buttons uh for um yeah . Everybody uh have to use it so 797.06 798.09 799.45 803.95 809.94 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 812.945 825.776 813.03 825.776 Uh ol even even old people um young people . So uh we must keep uh buttons uh quite s uh simple and quite large . So uh Um 816.64 822.68 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 823.501 824.04 823.58 823.86 Yeah . 823.86 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 826.82 829.144 826.98 828.96 Yeah . Uh yeah . 828.33 828.96 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 830.048 832.948 830.42 832.948 That was uh my uh part of it . So 832.37 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 831.616 836.229 831.72 836.1 Okay . Anybody has questions about the technical functions ? 833.06 836.1 TS3003b C MTD0010ID 2 836.166 842.496 836.31 842.32 Well I think if we are gonna use a touchscreen uh we're gonna go way above the twelve and a half Euros . 842.32 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 841.136 856.587 842.51 856.48 N I I don't think so . Uh you got uh quite a cheap uh touchscreen . S um it's uh not uh in colour or something . Uh it's just uh um one colo Uh yeah . 844.27 847.51 850.69 856.48 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 842.507 843.146 842.62 842.95 Yeah . 842.95 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 846.859 848.029 847.05 847.51 Touchscreen . 847.51 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 856.587 869.68 857.68 869.61 Uh I seen uh w uh something on the internet uh not today but uh a few uh weeks ago . Uh you got uh yeah quite an uh 866.83 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 870.992 876.896 871.43 876.85 a kind of uh touchscreen um and it's uh for - TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 877.952 885.227 878.16 885.15 uh twenty uh Euros or uh less uh . So it's possible . 882.87 885.15 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 882.522 883.195 882.6 883.14 Huh . 883.14 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 883.183 883.827 883.3 883.56 Hmm . 883.56 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 884.71 887.269 884.94 887.269 'Kay . That's nice . Uh 885.39 886.54 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 886.192 888.481 886.27 888.37 Well it would certainly make a fancy design . 888.37 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 888.358 889.132 888.56 888.78 Yeah . 888.78 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 889.39 890.097 889.59 889.99 Yeah . 889.99 TS3003b C MTD0010ID 2 889.597 895.388 889.68 895.31 But the It wouldn't be very robust . It's very fragile and you can get scratches on it . 892.66 895.31 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 889.693 890.602 889.9 890.602 So - TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 895.197 896.375 895.44 896.06 That is true . 896.06 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 895.902 906.832 896.05 906.69 That's right . Uh maybe we can first um listen to your presentation ? Uh And then we have a little discussion about the requirements and uh design . 897.27 901.3 906.69 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 896.54 897.651 896.62 897.61 Yeah that's true . 897.61 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 896.88 898.496 897.09 898.19 We would have to look into that . 898.19 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 901.437 902.043 901.6 901.99 Uh . 901.99 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 901.441 902.273 901.66 901.87 Yeah . 901.87 TS3003b C MTD0010ID 2 901.516 902.762 901.68 902.16 That's . 902.16 TS3003b C MTD0010ID 2 904.808 905.616 904.92 905.33 Okay . 905.33 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 919.92 923.923 920.01 923.923 I think it's going to Uh it's not too much . Okay . 923.51 923.84 TS3003b C MTD0010ID 2 923.625 943.053 923.73 943.01 Okay I've got a presentation about the working design . Um first about how it works . It's really simple of course . Everybody knows how a remote works . The user presses a button . The remote determines what button it is , uses the infrared to send a signal to the T_V_ . The T_V_ switches to the frequency , or what function it is . 927.77 930.03 930.99 932.85 934.68 936.65 939.99 941.54 943.01 TS3003b C MTD0010ID 2 944.104 959.909 944.22 959.83 So we've got um the the plate . It gots conductive disks for every button . When the user presses a button , a signal got sent , goes to the LED and transmits tranmi transmits its to the T_V_ . 948.11 952.06 953.64 955.13 959.83 TS3003b C MTD0010ID 2 959.909 983.376 960.05 983.24 It's a very simple device , technically speaking . So this is a schematic overview . You've got the buttons . The power source . And uh when a button gets pressed , its goes to the chip . The chip uh controls the infrared bulb and perf perhaps a normal bulb . When you press a button you can actually see your pressed button . 961.43 963.4 966.14 968.02 970.17 972.26 974.68 980.59 983.24 TS3003b C MTD0010ID 2 985.433 1003.177 985.58 1003.01 Well um I think we should use default materials , simple plastics . Keep the inner workings simple , so it's robust . Uh I think we should focus on aesthetics , the design and the user interface , because if you're going to use high-tech materials the price is going to go sky-high . 989.47 990.94 992.24 994.41 996.87 998.41 1003.01 TS3003b C MTD0010ID 2 1004.658 1011.224 1004.88 1011.05 And uh you only have to design a remote once , and if you use high-tech materials it come back in every product . 1008.29 1011.05 TS3003b C MTD0010ID 2 1011.982 1020.635 1012.08 1020.46 So it's , in my idea , it's uh it's gonna be smart to invest in di in design and not in uh in the product itself . 1013.24 1013.91 1020.46 TS3003b C MTD0010ID 2 1021.847 1022.723 1021.92 1022.5 That's it . 1022.5 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1022.925 1024.339 1023.16 1024.01 Okay . Thank you . 1023.58 1024.01 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1030.813 1031.756 1031.07 1031.57 Okay . 1031.57 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1038.12 1039.433 1038.37 1039.433 Uh - TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1041.584 1057.271 1041.77 1057.24 Okay now I hope everybody has a little bit more insight in the functions we all have and what we are doing right now . Um I'm the Project Manager so I'm here to mess things up and uh tell you some new uh requirements . 1049.26 1057.24 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1058.136 1078.433 1058.24 1078.27 Um that's , we've uh got to design a um remote which is only suitable for T_V_ . Um that's because uh it will be too complex and the time to market will be too big , if we wanna have it uh for more functions . 1061.17 1067.39 1075.38 1078.27 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1068.784 1069.357 1068.8 1069.17 Okay . 1069.17 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1078.145 1078.852 1078.3 1078.53 Mm . 1078.53 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1078.433 1100.8 1078.78 1100.69 So it has to be simple . Uh another point is we have to skip the teletext , because in the world of uh upcoming internet uh we think teletext is going to be uh a thing of the past . And uh it's a function we don't need in our remote control . 1080.96 1086.0 1096.01 1100.69 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1101.619 1111.031 1101.83 1110.63 Um internet is also mentioned in a function we can use . Uh maybe also on televisions it will be available as well . 1107.39 1110.63 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1111.031 1126.014 1111.83 1125.78 Another one is uh the customer is uh forty plus . Uh that's the the market we have to to to target , because we are going to develop a new product which is specially designed for the younger customers . 1116.72 1119.93 1125.78 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1126.014 1142.048 1126.66 1142.0 Um this is uh a bit pity for the Marketing uh Expert . Because he was uh aiming on the the younger persons . So we have to find a market which is above forty plus uh but which will suit our 1132.57 1136.82 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1142.911 1167.296 1143.04 1167.21 uh remote control , and the other way round . And we have to be very uh attent in uh putting the corporate image uh in our product . So it has to be visible in our design , in the way our device works . And uh we have to be uh very clear on this point as well . So I suggest 1144.15 1146.48 1154.49 1157.3 1160.26 1165.72 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1168.656 1172.289 1168.78 1172.15 let's have a discussion on the control functions . 1172.15 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1173.467 1174.107 1173.66 1173.99 Yeah . 1173.99 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1174.786 1178.457 1174.94 1177.96 So is there any discussion possible about the new product requirement ? 1177.96 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1176.329 1190.033 1176.329 1190.033 Uh we can see if we can find a way uh between the functions we wanna use and the market we wanna reach with our product . Um 1189.25 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1188.643 1189.485 1188.77 1188.95 Mm . 1188.95 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1189.204 1208.665 1189.34 1208.63 Yeah 'cause you're you're saying that teletext is gonna be an old feature and it's not gonna be used anymore anyway pretty soon . And new T_V_s will have internet access on them . But I think if you're targeting people of forty plus , the chance that they will have a T_V_ with internet access 1198.96 1201.97 1205.54 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1209.608 1213.042 1209.76 1212.78 within the next like twenty years is very slim . 1212.78 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1214.116 1225.598 1214.14 1225.43 In addition people indicated that teletext simply was an important feature for the remote control . So I think it's pretty dumb to put no teletext feature on it . 1221.33 1225.43 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1213.935 1214.777 1214.21 1214.61 Yeah . 1214.61 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1227.248 1228.83 1227.37 1228.4 I'm pretty much against it . 1228.4 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1229.384 1231.202 1229.56 1230.91 Against the no teletext ? 1230.91 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1229.824 1230.599 1230.07 1230.44 Mm . 1230.44 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1230.817 1233.039 1230.95 1233.039 Yes . 1232.67 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1232.818 1234.367 1232.98 1234.367 Um - TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1235.194 1238.999 1235.33 1238.78 Besides that , I think the market for forty plus is like 1235.98 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1239.706 1240.817 1239.84 1240.63 pretty small . 1240.63 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1243.054 1248.845 1243.2 1248.73 But I mean if I s if I see this , it's I think we're just gonna go for another 1245.73 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1244.067 1245.931 1244.067 1245.931 forty - TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1244.064 1245.594 1244.22 1245.594 Yeah it's it is - TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1249.568 1251.12 1249.59 1251.07 Standard remote . 1251.07 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1250.293 1251.135 1250.42 1250.83 pretty - TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1252.227 1254.045 1252.41 1253.84 No I think we can - TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1252.785 1254.536 1252.92 1254.39 and not innovative - TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1255.488 1276.069 1255.51 1275.77 I think we can do a lot with the design and the simple buttons which were also mentioned . Uh if we put a lot of effort in those , we can make a remote control with uh just two or three buttons . Or just a remote which is suitable for the market we wanna reach because it is forty percent of the market . 1262.38 1265.16 1269.7 1275.77 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1255.445 1256.758 1255.65 1256.38 remote control . 1256.38 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1273.475 1274.215 1273.57 1274.15 Yeah . 1274.15 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1276.069 1290.26 1276.61 1289.92 And um if you look in Holland at the whole generation of forty plus , fifty plus , it it's the the biggest share of the of the whole population now . 1283.05 1283.95 1289.92 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1290.847 1293.204 1291.04 1292.98 Yes but it's not the biggest part of the - TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1294.012 1294.753 1294.2 1294.57 market . 1294.57 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1295.359 1296.167 1295.49 1295.85 No . 1295.85 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1295.557 1299.8 1295.58 1299.73 And besides that , they're not very critical so I mean they don't really care 1296.44 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1300.541 1307.275 1300.7 1306.88 what the remote control is like . They'll just pretty much take the first thing they see and which looks acceptable . 1303.15 1306.88 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1308.529 1326.176 1308.73 1326.04 But don't you think that if we make a remote which is uh typically made for this market , that people think the people think that's the the device I've looked for although I didn't realise it . So let's try it . 1316.68 1324.56 1326.04 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1326.785 1327.424 1326.95 1327.22 No . 1327.22 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1328.064 1329.714 1328.22 1329.61 I think that would be the case in the - TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1330.859 1334.36 1331.0 1334.14 sixteen to forty five age category . 1334.14 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1336.078 1340.892 1336.26 1340.77 because they are critical and they they want to have a fancy remote control . 1340.77 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1340.557 1341.231 1340.71 1340.91 Yeah . 1340.91 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1341.869 1346.246 1341.96 1346.05 People of forty plus , I mean they want it to work , but 1343.76 1345.6 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1347.396 1350.157 1347.53 1349.76 as soo as soon as it works it's okay with them . 1349.76 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1351.365 1352.173 1351.56 1351.91 Mm . 1351.91 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1351.439 1352.315 1351.65 1352.06 Yeah . 1352.06 TS3003b C MTD0010ID 2 1352.752 1362.864 1352.77 1362.81 I think that if we're If we put our marketing right um we can sell this just like um I don't know if you've heard about it in the news , the the elderly mobile phone ? 1360.73 1362.81 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1353.149 1353.795 1353.21 1353.795 So - TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1362.902 1364.653 1362.98 1364.47 Yeah . It's a big success . 1363.53 1364.47 TS3003b C MTD0010ID 2 1364.535 1379.485 1364.66 1379.4 Yeah if we if we make a remote control just l with that idea in mind , we could make tons of money , I think . We don't have to focus on on on the on the design then but on functionality . We just 1368.85 1371.25 1372.49 1378.72 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1365.04 1366.42 1365.09 1366.1 I haven't heard of it . 1366.1 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1365.394 1367.818 1365.52 1367.68 Very big success . Yeah . 1367.31 1367.68 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1371.727 1372.498 1371.93 1372.15 Hmm . 1372.15 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1371.859 1373.913 1371.95 1373.67 Uh . I think so as well . 1372.51 1373.67 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1372.121 1372.694 1372.27 1372.64 Mm . 1372.64 TS3003b C MTD0010ID 2 1380.562 1383.66 1380.68 1383.46 change our focus on the project , and I think 1382.98 TS3003b C MTD0010ID 2 1384.939 1386.724 1385.01 1386.36 we can uh we can sell this . 1386.36 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1387.2 1390.144 1387.22 1390.11 Uh I simply think um - TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1393.104 1407.466 1393.12 1407.26 uh that the new products we are gonna make , uh spef specifically design , are designed for uh younger people , uh so maybe we can focus ourself on the elderly people . 1395.31 1398.3 1402.99 1407.26 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1408.576 1430.4 1408.6 1430.4 And I think we have to um see what requirements we need for those um remote controls . 'Cause what you told is the channel selection is important . Volume selection , power and teletext . Okay . Um 1419.18 1424.19 1425.05 1428.09 1429.49 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1423.689 1424.599 1423.96 1424.26 Yes . 1424.26 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1424.441 1425.047 1424.61 1425.0 Mm . 1425.0 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1427.225 1427.999 1427.46 1427.89 Yes . 1427.89 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1427.632 1429.054 1427.632 1428.82 Yeah . 1428.82 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1430.187 1433.15 1430.35 1432.75 But obviously the board tends to disagree . 1432.75 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1433.157 1440.766 1433.23 1440.55 No we we haven't voted yet , so Uh I think teletext can be uh 1435.15 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1441.877 1447.871 1441.97 1447.76 um can be a function as well . But only if uh if it won't 1445.87 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1448.645 1457.13 1448.73 1457.05 higher the the cost , because I don't know if it will be a lot more money to implement teletext as well , but I don't think it will be a problem . 1451.34 1455.42 1457.05 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1458.477 1460.194 1458.56 1460.194 Or is teletext a - TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1458.732 1465.231 1459.03 1465.06 But um deaf people need uh teletext for uh for subtitles . So it's Yeah . 1463.95 1465.06 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1463.037 1463.744 1463.25 1463.55 Yeah . 1463.55 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1463.36 1464.534 1463.51 1464.43 Yeah , also . 1463.88 1464.43 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1465.327 1467.515 1465.48 1467.515 Yeah . So I suggest uh 1465.97 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1466.515 1470.051 1466.64 1469.71 I think it'd definitely be a bad idea not to include teletext . 1469.71 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1467.433 1468.002 1467.47 1468.002 It's - TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1468.833 1469.439 1469.03 1469.34 Mm . 1469.34 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1468.93 1469.536 1469.07 1469.45 Yeah . 1469.45 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1470.512 1473.808 1470.57 1473.74 Is anybody um really against teletext ? 1473.74 TS3003b C MTD0010ID 2 1474.212 1474.886 1474.4 1474.64 No . 1474.64 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1474.886 1479.633 1475.0 1479.56 No ? Just that , that we just keep the teletext . 1475.59 1477.1 1479.56 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1481.653 1484.886 1481.67 1484.77 I think that's a good idea as well , especially for the subtitles . 1483.1 1484.77 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1486.67 1488.084 1486.8 1487.86 Maybe we can - TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1489.33 1491.418 1489.48 1491.23 make that um - TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1493.313 1511.765 1493.46 1511.73 another point of advantage in our remote control , if we uh make a k a button ex for example for big subtitles , which is instantly on the remote control . For elderly people they can think , oh I wanna have subtitles , and they push the button and they get the big subtitles . 1497.25 1503.92 1505.87 1507.6 1508.59 1511.73 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1505.665 1506.742 1505.85 1506.6 Yeah yeah . 1506.6 TS3003b C MTD0010ID 2 1511.962 1513.477 1512.2 1513.3 Uh that's a good idea . 1513.3 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1512.332 1513.813 1512.45 1513.75 Yeah . Yeah . 1513.22 1513.75 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1513.878 1521.68 1514.02 1521.68 Um so I think teletext can v can be very useful in our advantage . Um 1520.64 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1523.216 1526.201 1523.24 1526.17 Functionality should be few buttons , you said . 1525.56 1526.17 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1527.455 1528.162 1527.62 1527.99 Yes . 1527.99 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1528.087 1532.565 1528.29 1532.39 I think uh that's very important we have a few buttons . 1532.39 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1528.332 1529.039 1528.52 1528.65 Yeah . 1528.65 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1532.808 1533.549 1533.07 1533.33 Mm-hmm . 1533.33 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1535.157 1537.245 1535.32 1537.01 So to keep it simple . 1537.01 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1535.67 1536.546 1535.95 1536.25 But - TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1537.792 1540.384 1537.94 1540.384 I don't think that's really an issue any more 'cause - TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1541.428 1543.078 1541.63 1542.63 Well might be . 1542.63 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1543.82 1546.245 1543.91 1546.17 If it's only for televi Yeah . 1546.17 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1544.004 1553.432 1544.17 1553.29 But I mean it , if it's only for T_V_ you're not gonna need a lot of buttons anyway . You need a one to zero button , next channel , previous channel , 1544.72 1548.58 1551.89 1552.53 1553.29 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1546.918 1547.693 1547.15 1547.36 Yeah . 1547.36 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1548.607 1549.381 1548.69 1549.13 No . 1549.13 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1551.598 1552.44 1551.76 1552.25 Yeah . 1552.25 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1554.375 1558.213 1554.41 1558.213 volume up , volume down , and some teletext buttons but 1554.88 1556.47 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1559.415 1560.021 1559.52 1559.77 Yeah . 1559.77 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1561.873 1563.186 1562.0 1563.186 But do you need - TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1561.883 1563.701 1562.13 1563.6 I think if you if you only l - TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1562.455 1567.304 1562.51 1567.13 So we can s we can skip the display , so uh we don't need it . 1565.62 1567.13 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1566.356 1573.393 1566.54 1573.393 But do you need the buttons for one to zero . Maybe c we can 1572.19 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1567.237 1568.314 1567.41 1568.11 Nah . 1568.11 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1572.321 1573.297 1572.47 1573.297 Uh - TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1572.336 1585.366 1572.58 1585.06 Think if you're gonna include teletext you do . I think many people like to use that . 'Cause if you should , if you want to switch from channel one to like thirty five , you don't wanna push the next channel button thirty five times . 1575.08 1577.4 1578.29 1581.94 1585.06 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1576.962 1579.117 1577.11 1579.117 Maybe we can use uh - TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1577.469 1578.314 1577.63 1577.92 Yeah . 1577.92 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1584.084 1584.623 1584.22 1584.39 Yeah . 1584.39 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1584.74 1588.175 1584.91 1587.97 No , maybe we can implement the scroll button ? 1585.18 1587.97 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1589.69 1591.744 1589.84 1591.54 Or a joystick like ? 1591.54 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1590.176 1590.818 1590.32 1590.72 Mm . 1590.72 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1592.894 1601.682 1593.04 1601.682 There are other ways too . Just look if you look at telephones . The Sony telephone has a scroll button which is very useful in searching names or 1594.5 1596.49 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1595.532 1596.205 1595.7 1596.13 Yeah . 1596.13 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1597.619 1598.293 1597.73 1598.1 Mm-hmm . 1598.1 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1599.909 1600.549 1600.07 1600.29 Yeah . 1600.29 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1603.025 1605.516 1603.26 1605.25 That's true but um - TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1606.897 1612.486 1606.99 1612.38 I don't think there are many T_V_s that can switch channels that fast . And so you would need like 1610.89 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1613.462 1619.22 1613.63 1618.99 the T_V_ would need an a function where you can actually view all channels and scroll through it . 1618.99 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1620.163 1622.351 1620.25 1622.2 And I dunno if many channels would - TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1623.953 1626.478 1624.2 1626.12 do have that . If many T_V_s have that . 1625.08 1626.12 TS3003b C MTD0010ID 2 1625.928 1638.79 1626.06 1638.6 Yeah . And besides that it's um If we're gonna focus on elderly people they'll have to adapt . They're not used to using scroll buttons . So perhaps we should s stick to the basic layout . 1626.93 1632.75 1635.48 1638.6 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1626.658 1627.365 1626.83 1627.25 Mm . 1627.25 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1635.266 1636.108 1635.36 1635.9 That's right . 1635.9 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1635.593 1636.352 1635.81 1636.11 Mm-hmm . 1636.11 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1635.663 1636.539 1635.98 1636.18 Mm . 1636.18 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1640.054 1655.003 1640.054 1654.93 the numbers yeah . Yeah they can see how much buttons there are going to be on on the display , and if it's too much we can uh reconsider it . But I think there won't be very much buttons . Or there don't have to be a lot . 1642.36 1646.56 1650.76 1653.28 1654.93 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1651.084 1651.758 1651.31 1651.63 Yeah . 1651.63 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1653.863 1660.672 1654.01 1660.63 But I don't think I think if you're gonna make a remote control only to operate a T_V_ , you there's not much you can gain on 1658.54 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1661.539 1675.546 1661.67 1675.4 um having as few buttons as possible . 'Cause I think there are pretty many remote controls that can only operate a T_V_ , which already only have the minimum number of buttons . I don't think there's much to be gained in that area . 1664.97 1669.07 1673.13 1675.4 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1676.004 1681.089 1676.18 1680.82 The number of buttons ? I think it's very important in the in the design . 1678.13 1680.82 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1675.949 1676.892 1676.2 1676.8 Hmm . 1676.8 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1677.581 1678.288 1677.79 1678.03 Yeah . 1678.03 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1681.728 1690.415 1681.93 1690.415 You can make a very fancy design uh with putting the buttons on the right places . And if you have less buttons you can do a lot more with 1687.63 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1691.453 1700.275 1691.61 1700.01 That is true but I think there's simply not much to gain on the competition when you when you're making a remote control only for to operate only the T_V_ . 1700.01 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1701.474 1703.629 1701.66 1703.39 To operate only the T_V_ yeah . 1703.39 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1701.975 1709.08 1702.17 1708.97 'Cause if you have a a remote control only to operate a T_V_ there's simply not a lot of buttons required . 1708.97 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1709.888 1715.814 1710.06 1715.53 There's not a lot of functions required so most existing remote controls simply don't have a lot of buttons either . 1715.53 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1715.683 1716.289 1715.8 1716.11 No . 1716.11 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1715.931 1716.638 1716.14 1716.37 No . 1716.37 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1717.198 1718.107 1717.28 1717.91 So . 1717.91 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1717.43 1722.144 1717.66 1721.84 So I think it would be very hard to actually gain on the competition here . 1721.84 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1722.383 1723.932 1722.53 1723.932 'Kay . So we can 1722.85 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1722.851 1726.285 1723.04 1726.02 That would that would cost a a big marketing - TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1728.033 1729.178 1728.15 1728.83 expedition - TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1728.021 1728.964 1728.17 1728.77 Yeah . 1728.77 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1729.772 1730.513 1729.82 1730.31 That's right . 1730.31 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1730.255 1731.13 1730.4 1730.99 which was - TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1731.77 1736.787 1731.97 1736.63 one of the arguments to make it only for the T_V_ because we didn't have the time to market a lot . 1736.63 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1736.91 1744.486 1737.0 1744.34 Yeah . So you suggest we could better um focus on for example the docking station . 1738.0 1744.34 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1745.631 1747.348 1745.7 1747.17 Uh uh like other functions . 1747.17 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1749.435 1752.264 1749.59 1752.1 Instead of f of less buttons . 1752.1 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1749.081 1750.395 1749.74 1750.34 Maybe . 1750.34 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1752.56 1753.334 1752.79 1753.08 Well - TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1754.041 1758.452 1754.13 1758.452 yeah I think , mean we obviously need a good way to position all the buttons and 1755.32 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1759.193 1761.785 1759.39 1761.53 But I don't think we should spend very much time in that . 1761.53 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1762.178 1766.959 1762.38 1766.71 Mm . No . Do you think the docking station will 1763.06 1764.56 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1767.733 1771.336 1767.88 1771.15 uh is allowed in the budget we have ? 1771.15 TS3003b C MTD0010ID 2 1772.4 1779.268 1772.61 1779.13 It should be possible yes . If it's not too fancy . And if the remote stays rather small , it should be possible yeah . 1774.26 1776.04 1778.05 1779.13 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1773.929 1775.04 1774.03 1775.04 'Cause it can be - TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1774.087 1775.131 1774.35 1775.08 No . 1775.08 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1776.084 1776.791 1776.19 1776.6 No . 1776.6 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1778.838 1781.532 1778.99 1781.532 Yeah . Because I think that's uh 1779.91 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1779.376 1779.912 1779.4 1779.57 No . 1779.57 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1782.407 1793.787 1782.56 1793.63 That's a good advantage point as well . If we have a fancy-looking docking station or very That's a nice requirement . 1784.56 1793.63 TS3003b C MTD0010ID 2 1785.546 1786.253 1785.69 1786.12 Yes . 1786.12 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1788.883 1789.59 1789.09 1789.25 Hmm . 1789.25 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1794.73 1795.909 1794.83 1795.8 Docking station . 1795.8 TS3003b C MTD0010ID 2 1796.826 1799.519 1797.0 1799.02 So we're just gonna focus on the extras ? 1799.02 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1800.319 1801.363 1800.46 1801.12 I think so . 1801.12 TS3003b C MTD0010ID 2 1801.068 1801.741 1801.24 1801.42 Yeah . 1801.42 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1801.711 1802.183 1801.82 1802.0 Mm . 1802.0 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1801.862 1804.421 1801.92 1804.28 Yeah I think maybe we should do some research into - TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1805.128 1807.62 1805.31 1807.33 what elderly people like to have in a - TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1808.176 1808.718 1808.23 1808.65 Yeah . 1808.65 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1808.293 1810.616 1808.5 1810.39 like to have extra in a new remote control . 1810.39 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1811.042 1813.904 1811.17 1813.904 That's a good point . Um 1812.59 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1816.261 1818.954 1816.42 1818.68 You said they easily get lost as well . 1818.68 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1819.808 1824.758 1820.0 1824.43 Yes well fifty percent of the people indicated that remote control tended to get lost . 1824.43 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1822.826 1823.331 1822.91 1823.22 Yeah . 1823.22 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1824.442 1829.594 1824.57 1829.39 So maybe we should implement the audio sign , or something . 1828.79 1829.39 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1829.453 1842.652 1829.65 1842.52 Yeah that was what I suggested . You have it on Yeah you have it's on some phones too , which have a docking station . And you just press a button and the phone goes ringing . 1831.88 1837.42 1839.19 1842.52 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1830.873 1831.614 1831.03 1831.46 Yeah . 1831.46 TS3003b C MTD0010ID 2 1831.42 1835.561 1831.58 1835.48 Like with your key-chain , if you whistle it goes uh it makes a sound . 1832.71 1835.48 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1832.774 1833.582 1832.88 1833.49 Yeah . 1833.49 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1834.319 1834.925 1834.41 1834.71 Hm . 1834.71 TS3003b C MTD0010ID 2 1838.928 1839.602 1839.11 1839.36 Yeah . 1839.36 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1842.538 1852.96 1842.67 1852.79 Yeah . So audio signal should be possible as well . I think it's not too expensive . Uh another 1843.23 1847.06 1851.26 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1843.258 1844.47 1843.28 1844.03 So you know where it is . 1844.03 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1848.035 1848.877 1848.31 1848.83 No . 1848.83 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1854.154 1857.185 1854.3 1856.92 point is the L_C_D_ screen . 1856.92 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1859.111 1865.913 1859.2 1865.913 Um I don't know if that will rise the cost too much , because 1865.37 TS3003b C MTD0010ID 2 1864.992 1869.896 1865.23 1869.74 Y i um I think we'll have to choose between the docking station or the screen , 'cause 1869.41 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1870.694 1873.152 1870.82 1872.91 Yeah . It will be too much as well . 1871.66 1872.91 TS3003b C MTD0010ID 2 1870.973 1871.916 1871.19 1871.916 it's uh - TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1871.418 1871.956 1871.5 1871.8 Mm . 1871.8 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1872.998 1890.776 1873.15 1890.68 I think since a lot of people indicated that a new remote control is hard to learn , and we're focusing on elderly people here which tend to have a hard time understanding new devices , it might be a good idea to have just a little screen on it , which would explain a button if you press it . Which would tell you what it does . 1877.01 1883.55 1886.62 1889.28 1890.68 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1891.988 1892.729 1892.2 1892.48 Yeah . 1892.48 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1892.964 1897.476 1893.11 1897.476 And it wouldn't have to be touchscreen or a very expensive screen , but 1897.02 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1895.525 1896.333 1895.66 1896.1 Based . 1896.1 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1895.709 1897.628 1895.96 1897.56 Okay . Yeah . 1897.09 1897.56 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1898.824 1901.821 1898.96 1901.7 Just the L_C_D_ . Oh just the normal screen . 1900.15 1901.7 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1902.306 1904.697 1902.38 1904.697 Just a small screen with two - TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1903.128 1907.673 1903.17 1907.43 That's a good idea . So Some extra info . Feedback . 1904.17 1906.79 1907.43 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1906.717 1907.559 1906.96 1907.36 Yeah . 1907.36 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1908.852 1910.872 1908.98 1910.6 Yeah . I think that's a good idea as well . 1909.39 1910.6 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1908.868 1909.577 1909.01 1909.28 Yeah . 1909.28 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1911.33 1913.35 1911.51 1913.07 But I dunno if that would - TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1914.542 1916.023 1914.64 1915.84 As the small screen . 1915.84 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1914.697 1916.616 1915.19 1916.35 that would fit into the - TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1919.511 1920.454 1919.72 1920.28 costs . 1920.28 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1924.104 1925.922 1924.27 1925.8 Extra button info . 1925.8 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1929.261 1950.877 1929.41 1950.877 I think that should be possible as well . Um let's see what did we say . Mm . More . Should be fancy to , fancy design , easy to learn . Few buttons , we talked about that . Docking station , L_C_D_ . Um general functions 1932.7 1936.39 1938.0 1938.69 1939.91 1940.72 1942.33 1943.34 1944.69 1945.52 1947.68 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1952.291 1953.216 1952.5 1953.17 Yeah . 1953.17 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1956.016 1956.593 1956.04 1956.46 'Kay . 1956.46 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1960.297 1962.89 1960.37 1962.8 And default materials . 1962.8 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1964.371 1979.758 1964.52 1979.44 I think that's a good idea as well , because um elderly people don't mind if it's a titanium cover or just a plastic one . So that doesn't really matter . So I think we nee 1966.14 1974.89 1976.88 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1975.03 1975.939 1975.2 1975.79 No . 1975.79 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 1975.546 1976.253 1975.67 1975.91 Mm . 1975.91 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1978.918 1984.541 1978.99 1984.37 I think probably elderly people would be a little bit more careful with their remote controls than - TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 1985.416 1986.359 1985.53 1986.1 youngsters . 1986.1 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 1988.561 2007.012 1988.8 2006.87 Uh let's um specify the target group . Because are we talking about elderly elderly people or people from forty to eighty . Because I think what we're going to design now is for people above sixty , maybe . 1993.16 1999.66 2006.51 2006.87 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 2008.759 2010.174 2009.07 2009.7 Mm . Yeah . 2009.54 2009.7 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 2009.076 2009.786 2009.37 2009.54 Yeah . 2009.54 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 2010.329 2019.42 2010.43 2019.25 Uh what do we want ? If we want um a with uh for example the the telephone for elderly people , we can 2011.35 2018.72 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 2010.766 2011.836 2011.08 2011.836 I think - TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 2020.363 2022.754 2020.51 2022.52 target the real elderly people . 2022.52 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 2024.118 2032.165 2024.27 2031.98 I think that would be a If we should do something like that it would be a , I think it would be really good for uh for the image of the company . 2028.07 2031.98 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 2033.09 2033.764 2033.23 2033.52 Yeah . 2033.52 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 2033.627 2037.229 2033.79 2036.81 And I think , I think there would be a good market for it . 2035.07 2036.81 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 2037.878 2039.056 2038.01 2039.056 So that's the - TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 2038.374 2042.381 2038.5 2042.11 If we're able to really bring an innovative product . 2042.11 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 2042.356 2045.521 2042.48 2045.35 Now you're talking about sixty to eighty for example . 2045.35 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 2045.075 2046.489 2045.1 2046.489 Yeah the really - TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 2046.7 2049.494 2046.81 2049.39 Yeah . Sixty . 2048.72 2049.39 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 2047.23 2047.971 2047.35 2047.49 Mm . 2047.49 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 2048.172 2048.846 2048.3 2048.56 But - TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 2050.327 2052.179 2050.42 2051.96 I'd have to look into that a little more . 2051.96 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 2052.24 2057.137 2052.34 2057.137 Okay . And different cultures . Are we 2053.44 2056.42 TS3003b C MTD0010ID 2 2057.107 2061.215 2057.39 2060.94 Well I don't think they have different television sets uh - TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 2061.824 2062.666 2062.02 2062.55 Mm . 2062.55 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 2062.053 2062.828 2062.21 2062.74 Okay . 2062.74 TS3003b C MTD0010ID 2 2062.322 2063.77 2062.34 2063.44 in uh every country . 2063.44 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 2064.09 2064.831 2064.19 2064.62 No . 2064.62 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 2064.585 2065.461 2064.8 2065.16 No . 2065.16 TS3003b C MTD0010ID 2 2065.353 2066.026 2065.47 2066.026 'Cause - TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 2067.491 2070.992 2067.61 2070.94 We've got five minutes left just now . Small warning . 2070.08 2070.94 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 2068.12 2070.208 2068.43 2070.0 So 'Kay . 2070.0 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 2069.534 2077.985 2069.67 2077.95 'Kay . And with uh the little screen in it , which explains the buttons . You could I think we n it would be a lot easier to 2070.58 2073.15 2075.17 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 2074.999 2075.672 2075.16 2075.672 Should - TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 2078.793 2081.285 2078.95 2081.13 adapt it to different cultures . 2081.13 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 2081.43 2084.023 2081.65 2083.97 Yeah . In different languages , you know . Yeah . 2082.09 2083.02 2083.6 2083.97 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 2083.091 2083.807 2083.18 2083.47 Yeah . 2083.47 TS3003b C MTD0010ID 2 2083.258 2083.831 2083.37 2083.66 Yeah . 2083.66 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 2083.725 2084.499 2083.9 2084.14 Yeah . 2084.14 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 2085.112 2103.361 2085.22 2103.24 or you have to put a language button in it , but that will be a bit unnecessary I think . It's better to put it on different markets with it all . Okay . So that's the the target . Uh then a few small things . 2087.94 2090.85 2094.64 2095.98 2098.8 2103.24 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 2085.86 2086.651 2086.12 2086.47 Right . 2086.47 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 2088.96 2090.672 2089.03 2090.19 No . Yeah . 2089.85 2090.19 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 2090.001 2090.733 2090.25 2090.57 Yeah . 2090.57 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 2093.456 2094.264 2093.64 2094.06 Yeah . 2094.06 TS3003b C MTD0010ID 2 2094.283 2095.058 2094.57 2094.82 Yeah . 2094.82 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 2105.696 2124.481 2105.96 2124.32 Uh okay . I will put the minutes in the project uh project document folder . Um what we're going to do for the next meeting is the Industrial Designer will do the components concept , User Interface Designer the user interface concept , and the trend-watching . 2108.08 2112.26 2121.02 2123.31 2124.32 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 2124.481 2139.656 2124.58 2139.55 So just keep in mind the things we've said about the target group , uh requirements , and the trends which are uh going on . And uh specific instructions will be sent to you by uh the personal coach . 2129.72 2131.35 2134.93 2139.55 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 2140.204 2140.844 2140.48 2140.62 'Kay . 2140.62 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 2140.771 2146.64 2140.81 2146.56 So um I thank you for this meeting . And I think we have a lunch-break now . 2143.85 2146.56 TS3003b D MTD012ME 3 2146.886 2147.896 2147.13 2147.75 That's good . 2147.75 TS3003b B MTD011UID 1 2147.459 2148.136 2147.68 2147.86 Yeah . 2147.86 TS3003b A MTD009PM 0 2147.808 2149.458 2147.94 2149.36 So that's a good thing . 2149.36 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 21.033 36.522 21.26 36.02 Okay . Uh good afternoon . This is our third meeting already . I hope you enjoyed your lunch . I did anyway . Um let's see . 22.71 24.25 28.37 30.93 33.46 36.02 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 24.044 25.021 24.09 24.64 Good afternoon . 24.64 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 39.504 61.048 39.62 60.95 Presentation three . Okay this is um the second phase uh we're going to discuss today . It's the conceptual design meeting . And a few points of interest in this meeting um are the conceptual specification of components . 43.09 48.44 51.62 60.95 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 61.048 75.997 61.25 75.8 Uh conceptual specification of design . And also trend-watching . Um these are hopefully the points you addressed in uh your pre uh presentations you're going to show me in a few minutes . 64.1 66.22 75.8 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 75.997 98.219 77.08 98.0 Um but first I'll show you the agenda . Uh first the opening . Then we have three presentations . Uh after that we have to come to a decision on remote control concepts . How we're going to make it . And then we're closing . We have about forty minutes . 82.15 84.04 86.21 91.42 93.83 96.0 98.0 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 98.219 107.608 99.11 107.47 Uh so I suggest let's get started . Uh did someone encounter any problems during the preparation ? 102.21 107.47 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 109.507 113.009 109.64 112.56 No ? Everything fine ? That's nice . 110.51 111.82 112.56 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 109.437 110.287 109.75 109.97 No . 109.97 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 114.556 140.01 114.8 139.87 Then a little uh thing about the last meeting . Uh these are the points um we agreed on . The requirements and the target market . Uh requirements are uh teletext , docking station , audio signal , small screen , with some extras that uh button information . And we are going to use default materials . 121.77 124.69 127.58 130.98 132.13 133.08 134.16 137.69 139.87 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 141.27 157.616 141.37 157.55 Um does somebody have any comments on these requirements ? Maybe ? No ? These are just the the things we thought of , so maybe if you figured something else or thought of something else , just let me know . And maybe we can uh work it out . 146.61 147.91 148.52 150.68 155.1 156.11 157.55 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 158.323 163.542 158.44 163.34 And we're going to target uh sixty to to eighty year old customers . 163.34 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 164.991 174.116 165.11 174.02 So now everybody knows what we're do we're doing , um I suggest let's get started with the presentations . 169.15 174.02 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 175.092 180.176 175.32 180.12 So shall we keep the same uh line-up as uh last time ? 180.12 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 180.104 183.269 180.27 183.0 Sure . I'll start off then . 181.91 183.0 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 180.715 181.456 180.89 181.24 Okay . 181.24 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 182.466 184.768 182.67 184.768 Good luck . 184.52 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 192.592 193.4 192.77 193.34 Doh . 193.34 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 203.746 216.342 203.97 216.1 'Kay I'm uh gonna inform you about the trend-watching I've done over the past few days . Um we've done some market research . We distributed some more enquetes , questionnaires . 209.95 212.24 215.48 216.1 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 216.342 235.488 216.7 235.25 And um besides that um I deployed some trend-watchers to Milan and Paris to well get all of the newest trends . And I've consulted some additional trend-watch trend-watchers , after the original trend-watchers return , about what the 227.28 230.98 234.4 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 236.704 254.692 236.85 254.62 the best design would be . Um okay these are some overall findings . Um most important thing is the fancy design . Um the research indicated that that was by far the most important factor . 240.88 245.09 249.6 254.62 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 254.692 268.123 255.1 267.76 Um innovativeness was about half as important as the fancy design . By innovativeness this means um functions which are not featured in other remote controls . 262.39 267.76 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 268.123 292.256 268.97 291.93 Um about half of , half as important as the innovativeness was the was easy to use . Um for our um group , we're focusing on the people of sixty to eighty y years old , this is um , these factors are slightly more equal . 271.52 278.4 282.32 286.01 289.3 291.93 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 294.892 311.054 295.07 310.93 'Kay these are some more group specific findings . Uh the older people prefer dark colours . Uh they like recognisable shapes , and familiar material . And our surveys have indicated that especially wood is pretty much 298.3 301.02 303.9 305.33 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 311.864 327.79 312.0 327.64 the material for older people . Um this is , this image will give you a little bit of an impression about um the look-and-feel that um the remote should have . 316.34 317.49 327.64 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 330.876 339.392 331.07 339.33 Um this leads us to some personal preferences . Uh the remote control and the docking station should uh blend in in the 335.2 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 340.432 362.912 340.45 362.7 in the room . Um so this would mean no uh eye-catching designs . Just keep it simple and Well the docking station and small screen would be our main points of interest , because this would be the These would uh be the innovativeness in the remote control . 342.26 347.97 355.57 362.7 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 363.816 384.881 363.93 384.7 So this would be very important that we at least include these features . Um well the trend-watchers I consulted advised that it b should be , the remote control and the docking station should be telephone-shaped . So you could imagine that uh the remote control will be standing up straight in the docking station . 368.96 375.63 379.01 384.7 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 384.881 401.918 385.5 401.7 This is not really This is pretty much a new shape to uh older people . So they would prefer uh a design where the remote control just lies flat in the docking station . So it would be kinda more telephone-shaped . 390.85 399.58 401.7 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 401.918 422.352 402.66 422.27 Um besides that we would advise um to bring two editions , one with a wood-like colour and maybe feel , and one with a grey-black colour . The wood-like for the more uh exclusive people . People with more money . Uh the grey-black colour for well 407.5 411.2 413.14 418.09 419.98 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 425.248 427.773 425.33 427.3 people with less means . 427.3 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 430.852 432.435 430.97 432.03 That would be all . 432.03 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 432.29 437.812 432.55 437.58 Okay . Thank you . Any questions about the the trends ? Mayb 433.09 434.95 437.36 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 436.206 437.485 436.35 437.11 Any questions ? 437.11 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 438.133 439.712 438.38 439.43 Mm no . 439.43 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 440.388 443.89 440.59 443.65 No ? Okay , we go on to the next one . 442.22 442.69 443.65 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 464.033 485.552 464.17 485.34 Um 'kay um yeah . uh some uh research uh a about um designing of an interface . Um the uh last meeting uh we had a about um uh using a f few buttons . So uh um uh that's w what I what I want to uh 468.2 472.37 479.69 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 486.544 509.317 486.81 509.317 uh to do in uh our design . So um finding an attractive uh way to control uh the remote control . Um the uh I found some uh something about uh speech uh recognition . So maybe uh we can uh use uh that . Um 490.88 496.75 504.06 507.25 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 509.317 522.781 509.39 522.63 Uh and uh using a little uh display . So um findings . Um yeah just um we have just to focus on the primary um functions . 512.41 515.84 522.63 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 522.781 539.31 522.8 539.31 So uh only uh buttons uh for uh sound , um for uh on-off , um uh shifting u up uh sa uh ca channel or uh down shifting down . Um uh let's see . Um yeah and 525.48 527.11 533.86 537.94 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 540.48 562.831 540.53 562.47 Uh we uh need some uh new a attractive functions uh uh which attract uh uh people for using it . So uh it's uh like a speak uh speech uh recognition and um a special button for selecting uh subtitles . Just uh what we uh mentioned uh last uh meeting . 550.76 559.05 562.47 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 562.831 571.76 563.4 571.76 Um and yeah overall um user-friendly . So uh using uh large large buttons . Um 567.36 570.8 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 574.341 593.368 574.59 593.15 It's uh possible to uh uh to make um quite cheap uh system for uh speech uh recognition . Um you can think about um uh when you lost your um remote control , you can uh call it and um it gives an um sig signal . So uh uh yeah . 581.27 587.03 590.78 593.15 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 593.368 609.728 593.56 609.728 And and uh for uh shifting up a sen uh c ch channel or uh for um uh putting out uh sound or something , you can uh just give a sign uh say um sound off or 603.94 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 609.728 617.906 610.35 617.906 A and uh yeah . Television uh put the sound off uh put the sound off uh . Um 612.48 616.67 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 619.776 632.183 619.8 631.87 Let's see . Uh yeah . I was thinking about the special uh button for uh subtitles , um just one button to keep it uh simple . Uh one push on the button uh you get uh uh small uh subtitles . 620.18 621.07 624.09 627.55 631.87 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 632.183 642.156 632.53 642.04 Um double push push um , if double click , um so uh you get uh big uh subtitles , for uh people uh 636.33 637.12 640.43 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 643.264 651.68 643.28 651.68 um uh which c f uh who can't uh read small uh subtitles . So uh Um 649.65 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 652.713 666.619 653.0 666.08 Yeah and w we have to keep uh in general buttons uh so um we've got um the buttons we have to use . The on-off , sound on-off , sound higher or lower , um the numbers , uh zero to uh uh nine . 659.77 660.47 661.75 662.98 663.95 666.08 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 666.619 685.566 667.22 685.47 Um the general buttons m more general b one button for shifting up and shifting down uh channel . Um also we want to uh use a little d display uh for um for displaying the uh the functions of the buttons . 674.99 685.47 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 685.566 702.336 686.09 702.336 And um we can uh build in a function f which uh shows the channel or some uh which the t television is on . So um made a little uh picture of uh it . Um 695.46 701.61 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 703.344 704.352 703.62 704.29 See . 704.29 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 709.728 734.16 709.75 734.16 Um yeah . Just um we can put uh the on-off button uh over in this uh corner , um almost uh e all uh remote controls uh are using a on-off button on that place . Um so uh people uh will uh recognise uh um the button . So um 712.19 718.24 725.71 732.71 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 734.879 746.288 735.38 746.15 D display uh of it , it's uh just a small display . Uh um you can put it uh on top . Um it's uh most uh 736.73 740.43 743.12 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 747.792 765.856 747.88 765.856 uh place where people uh , most of looks at . So uh um and a special uh button for shifting up uh and uh shifting down uh channel , um it's uh on place where um the thumb of of the 750.4 751.99 760.41 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 767.072 774.208 767.21 774.04 So you you can uh easily uh shift up or shift down . Um it's uh quite uh 770.38 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 775.419 783.163 775.6 783.163 handy place . So um and uh all the f functions for subtitle uh one button , uh for sound uh 776.23 781.73 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 784.422 793.041 784.71 793.041 Uh and uh for our design , um uh we have to discuss about it uh I think uh so uh the form of it so 786.51 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 793.943 794.818 794.24 794.55 Okay . 794.55 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 794.523 795.87 794.71 795.73 And that's it . 795.73 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 796.085 798.105 796.33 798.105 Uh thank you . 797.87 TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 807.632 808.574 807.71 808.33 Okay . 808.33 TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 814.208 836.04 814.38 836.01 About the components design . Um for the energy source we can use a basic battery or , a as an optional thing , a kinetic energy , like in a watch , which you just shake and it produces energy . But if we choose for that option , the docking station would c become obsolete . So I don't think it's really an option . 816.73 821.05 823.21 825.01 825.97 828.29 831.59 833.6 836.01 TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 836.04 853.911 836.87 853.47 Uh for the casing , uh the uh manufacturing department can deliver uh a flat casing , single or double curved casing . It's really up the the design that we're gonna use . It's uh doesn't uh imply any technical restrictions . 838.83 844.27 845.83 848.59 853.47 TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 853.911 861.744 854.24 861.53 Uh as a case supplement , we could um , I thought of that l later , uh a rubber uh belt , like a anti-slip . 855.44 856.44 858.48 860.19 861.53 TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 863.2 873.705 863.41 873.26 Uh for the b buttons , we can use plastic or rubber . And the chip-set , um it says simple here , but it should be advanced , because we're using an L_C_D_ uh screen . 864.68 866.77 867.8 869.92 870.9 873.26 TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 873.705 889.395 874.18 889.13 And as uh the trend-watcher presentation showed , um people like wood , but it raises the price and it doesn't really fit the image , unless we would start two product lines . Form should follow function overall . 878.68 880.26 883.22 887.25 889.13 TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 889.395 916.028 889.7 915.76 Um well the kinetic energy source is rather fancy . But depends on what we want . I think we should disc discuss that . Um for the case , uh the supplement and the buttons , it really depends on the designer . And the chip-set uh really should be advanced because otherwise uh it would really be a simple uh remote control . And that's it . 895.54 898.17 900.47 902.97 904.74 907.06 915.23 915.76 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 915.834 918.022 916.21 917.84 Okay . Thank you . 917.39 917.84 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 919.838 924.418 920.09 924.32 So that brings us to the discussion about our concepts . 924.32 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 926.842 928.02 926.95 927.81 Mm . 927.81 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 934.418 935.192 934.63 934.94 'Kay . 934.94 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 944.884 948.352 945.06 948.25 So these are the points we have to discuss . 948.25 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 949.584 953.234 949.6 953.18 Um first - TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 954.985 960.339 955.54 960.21 I think we can talk about the energy source , since that's um 959.0 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 961.51 970.264 961.65 970.11 has a pretty big influence on production price , uh and image . Uh so 966.04 969.08 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 971.106 979.591 971.25 979.27 uh f I think first of all we have to see uh it is possible to introduce kinetic energy in our budget , I think . 978.78 979.27 TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 977.952 997.728 977.98 997.67 Yes w there there are four options . We could use the basic normal battery . Uh a hand dynamo . But I don't think that's really an option . You don't wanna swing before you can watch television . Uh solar cells . But not every room is very light so it's not a very good option . Or the kinetic energy . 979.92 982.73 984.36 987.19 991.13 992.61 996.67 997.67 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 982.183 982.823 982.32 982.66 Yeah . 982.66 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 984.832 987.896 984.832 987.896 Okay . 987.78 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 990.455 991.263 990.66 991.03 Yeah . 991.03 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 994.208 994.935 994.4 994.85 Mm . 994.85 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 995.471 996.549 995.59 996.16 No . 996.16 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 999.276 1001.162 999.41 1001.06 Yeah . Okay . 1000.38 1001.06 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1000.673 1004.242 1000.75 1004.242 And how exactly does the kinetic energy work ? You just 1003.7 TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 1003.483 1008.129 1003.6 1007.88 Well y you basically shake your remote , and then it powers up . Yeah . 1006.64 1007.54 1007.88 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1005.084 1007.542 1005.16 1007.47 You use it and it works . 1007.47 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1008.211 1009.052 1008.48 1008.84 Yeah . 1008.84 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1008.82 1017.507 1009.02 1017.06 Okay . Well personally I don't think that older people like to shake their remote control before they use it . 1010.1 1017.06 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1008.907 1009.745 1009.07 1009.4 Nah . 1009.4 TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 1016.48 1018.256 1016.48 1018.16 Yeah . That's true . 1017.42 1018.16 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1019.056 1032.894 1019.23 1032.67 And besides that you mentioned it would make the docking station obsolete . And I think our docking station could be one of the marketing issues with which we can um 1024.99 TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 1023.415 1024.055 1023.66 1023.76 Oh . 1023.76 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1033.672 1035.928 1033.72 1035.6 get great popularity for our product . 1035.6 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1037.552 1038.192 1037.68 1038.13 Yeah . 1038.13 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1037.662 1038.638 1038.0 1038.51 But - TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1038.319 1040.179 1038.44 1040.07 Um wel - TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1039.514 1043.992 1039.73 1043.74 what's the function ? Yeah f for loading up uh the batteries . 1040.66 1043.74 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1044.077 1052.427 1044.23 1051.96 Yeah you could load up the batteries , you could um insert the find the lost remote control function in there . 1045.62 1051.96 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1044.8 1045.675 1045.02 1045.41 B b - TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1052.612 1073.328 1052.8 1073.328 Okay but uh it won't use uh much e energy uh I I believe . Uh it's uh just a small display so I believe uh it will run on one battery for um six months or f or or more . So I believe one battery uh is just enough . Uh so 1058.64 1068.12 1072.93 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1068.51 1069.217 1068.73 1069.217 Uh - TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1073.704 1091.781 1073.99 1091.57 Uh well I think uh elderly people just like to have everything in place . And I don't think they they like uh remotes just laying everywhere in their rooms . So maybe a docking station will help them give the remote a place . 1080.77 1087.73 1091.57 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1074.765 1077.292 1074.9 1077.292 That's true . 1077.2 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1087.005 1087.846 1087.18 1087.63 Okay . 1087.63 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1090.675 1092.064 1090.92 1092.03 Yeah . That's true . Yeah . 1091.12 1091.82 1092.03 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1092.33 1114.448 1092.41 1114.41 And also what you said . Um you can introduce voice recognition by uh finding back your remote . But I think it's um more efficient and cheaper to put it in the docking station . So you have a but button on your docking station which you can push , and then it starts beeping . 1093.69 1101.87 1109.64 1112.93 1114.41 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1100.208 1100.971 1100.48 1100.7 Mm-hmm . 1100.7 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1101.584 1102.223 1101.7 1102.13 Yeah . 1102.13 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1114.784 1115.909 1114.8 1115.65 Okay . 1115.65 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1116.118 1122.246 1116.26 1122.14 And then we can we can still use the voice recognition , but maybe then for only the the channels . 1119.21 1122.14 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1117.851 1118.688 1117.93 1118.59 Yeah . 1118.59 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1122.474 1123.282 1122.65 1123.01 Uh . 1123.01 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1123.088 1124.098 1123.23 1123.96 That's safe . 1123.96 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1123.112 1129.711 1123.34 1129.54 I'm wondering um what will the voice recognition mean for the production price ? 1129.54 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1130.057 1132.212 1130.24 1131.98 Yeah . That's a good point . 1130.84 1131.98 TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 1131.222 1136.676 1131.38 1136.32 Mm I don't have any information on pricing . So I'll have to ask the manufacturing department . 1134.02 1136.32 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1136.462 1137.237 1136.65 1136.96 Mm . 1136.96 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1137.236 1145.654 1137.34 1145.57 'Cause in our earlier um market research , if you'd allow me to go to the flat board , SMARTboard . 1141.57 1144.48 1145.57 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1142.463 1145.022 1142.65 1144.77 Yeah , sure . Go ahead . 1143.05 1144.38 1144.77 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1150.435 1152.556 1150.59 1152.36 Um so it was open here . 1152.36 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1153.465 1156.159 1153.62 1155.94 Um we also um - TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1158.982 1172.416 1159.13 1172.29 asked if w they would , if people would pay more for speech recognition in a remote control . Well you can see here , our target group would not do that . So if that would increase the price for which we're selling our remote control 1160.25 1163.69 1164.81 1168.27 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1167.764 1168.437 1167.87 1168.27 No . 1168.27 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1172.773 1173.772 1173.23 1173.37 Mm . 1173.37 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1173.729 1181.872 1173.92 1181.75 I would greatly advise not to do it . I think that would be better to uh insert in our other product , that is meant for the 1176.67 1180.75 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1176.249 1177.124 1176.47 1176.9 Yeah . 1176.9 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1182.915 1183.656 1183.13 1183.3 Yeah . 1183.3 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1183.136 1184.112 1183.21 1183.91 younger people . 1183.91 TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 1185.146 1188.344 1185.32 1188.11 But that would also go for the L_C_D_ screen then I guess . 1188.11 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1185.551 1186.263 1185.63 1186.21 'Kay . 1186.21 TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 1189.43 1191.653 1189.47 1191.653 It's a bit higher percentage , but 1191.14 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1192.9 1210.16 1193.12 1209.7 Um well this is Yeah but this is here the question was , would you prefer it . So that doesn't really mean they wouldn't pay extra for it . And on top of that the L_C_D_ screen would um help in making the remote control easier to use . 1197.31 1199.24 1202.5 1209.7 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1210.542 1211.383 1210.7 1210.91 Yeah . 1210.91 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1211.776 1212.787 1211.95 1212.66 Yeah . 1212.66 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1211.889 1218.017 1212.14 1217.73 And I think a voice recognition function would not make the remote control much easier to use . 1217.73 TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 1211.975 1212.87 1212.3 1212.67 Okay . 1212.67 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1216.756 1219.82 1216.95 1219.62 Easier to use ? No , I think that's a good point . 1217.91 1218.34 1219.62 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1219.987 1231.031 1220.11 1230.74 But uh is uh our uh research um about um bi large uh L_C_D_ sh uh display , or uh just a small one uh we want to uh use ? 1226.89 1230.74 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1230.441 1237.613 1230.63 1237.44 Um well this was for like an L_C_D_ screen like you would have on a on the the most advanced mobile phones . 1237.44 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1237.563 1238.607 1237.71 1238.2 Okay . 1238.2 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1238.42 1239.904 1238.48 1239.71 So pretty large . 1239.71 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1239.853 1240.526 1240.02 1240.26 Yeah . 1240.26 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1240.123 1240.763 1240.36 1240.69 Yeah . 1240.69 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1243.301 1257.611 1243.48 1257.57 I personally think the L_C_D_ screen we wanna use , with the extra information , I think nobody has anything against it . Because it's just uh some extra information , and it's easy to ignore as well . So if you don't wanna use it you just don't use it . 1246.51 1247.85 1250.54 1252.62 1255.07 1257.57 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1250.371 1251.052 1250.6 1250.82 No . 1250.82 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1254.548 1255.188 1254.68 1254.92 Yeah . 1254.92 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1258.385 1279.671 1258.42 1279.46 And um yeah I think the um Maybe we have to uh discard the voice recognition . Because it will increase cost uh signifi uh significantly . And I don't think the I don't think it will be a lot easier to use , as well . 1268.89 1274.31 1278.95 1279.46 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1279.843 1280.55 1280.08 1280.51 Yeah . 1280.51 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1281.018 1292.272 1281.22 1292.272 So that brings us back to the energy . If we don't have the voice recognition , it will it won't use a lot of energy to use . Um 1283.72 1286.77 1291.26 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1289.625 1290.365 1289.74 1290.03 Mm-hmm . 1290.03 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1293.24 1304.89 1293.49 1304.66 So in that case we could use kinetic uh energy , but I think just a simple battery which you can reload on a docking station is just as good . And much cheaper as well . 1297.93 1303.56 1304.66 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1304.608 1305.248 1304.78 1305.0 Yeah . 1305.0 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1305.799 1306.506 1305.86 1306.506 So - TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 1305.757 1307.239 1305.9 1307.14 And that's the best choice . 1307.14 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1307.584 1314.924 1307.7 1314.84 Okay let me just choose for the battery . That brings us to the chip . 1313.53 1314.84 TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 1315.069 1321.264 1315.52 1321.0 Well there isn't any choice there because we're using the the the the display . So it's gotta be advanced . 1319.47 1321.0 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1317.397 1318.777 1317.5 1318.47 Just the advanced . 1318.47 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1321.067 1324.838 1321.27 1324.65 Okay , advanced chip . 1323.22 1324.65 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1321.764 1322.539 1321.92 1322.25 'Kay . 1322.25 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1329.942 1347.656 1330.09 1347.32 And then we get to the point of the case . Um which brings us a little bit back to marketing as well . Uh if we wanna choose for wood or the black and grey . Or both ? 1334.55 1341.19 1346.52 1347.32 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1348.947 1372.752 1349.08 1372.752 Um as we saw there is not Yeah wood is a lot more expensive to produce . Um but I think it will attract elderly people who wanna have something exclusive , which they can show off to their grandkids . Look I've got a new remote control , and uh 1357.23 1365.76 1370.33 1372.12 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1355.131 1355.893 1355.35 1355.72 Mm-hmm . 1355.72 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1368.674 1369.616 1368.87 1369.36 Mm-hmm . 1369.36 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1371.208 1381.612 1371.39 1381.36 Well And I think most important factor there is the wooden colour . So it wouldn't actually have to be wood , if it's just 1378.03 1380.52 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1371.656 1373.743 1371.88 1373.59 Uh I dunno . 1373.59 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1380.255 1381.131 1380.5 1380.85 Yeah . 1380.85 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1383.353 1384.228 1383.51 1383.99 That's right . 1383.99 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1384.508 1386.023 1384.85 1385.58 wood-coloured . 1385.58 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1384.903 1385.61 1385.06 1385.49 Mm . 1385.49 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1385.979 1389.178 1386.17 1389.04 But with colour was a lot more expensive ? Or ? 1388.5 1389.04 TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 1388.962 1393.508 1389.25 1393.05 Mm I dunno . I'll have to uh research . 1390.61 1393.05 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1389.75 1390.525 1389.87 1390.38 You don't know ? 1390.38 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1391.905 1400.69 1392.12 1400.64 I think so because Yeah . It's a lot more difficult to to handle and to to get in the right shape . 1395.15 1400.64 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1394.407 1395.72 1394.59 1395.6 Probably . 1395.6 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1394.971 1395.644 1395.11 1395.44 Mm . 1395.44 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1400.736 1418.207 1400.79 1418.07 Uh is it possible uh to make um changeable uh case . So um uh you 'cause uh Yeah with uh mobile phones uh uh so uh like the Nokia mobile phones , uh when you can change the case of it . So 1404.97 1414.96 1417.83 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1413.652 1414.36 1413.87 1414.21 Yeah . 1414.21 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1417.742 1419.493 1417.83 1419.39 Change the cases . Yeah . 1418.96 1419.39 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1419.209 1434.091 1419.3 1433.82 maybe it's possible uh possibility . So um um you have just to make one um standard um remote control , and um yeah you can sell uh few uh Yeah . 1421.43 1428.77 1433.82 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1432.555 1447.807 1432.61 1447.807 You can sell the cases . Yeah . I think that's a very good option . Because um then you can advertise as well with the Give your grandfather a new case for his remote control , or whatever . 1434.13 1435.44 1437.94 1445.79 1447.68 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1444.049 1444.902 1444.43 1444.74 Yeah . 1444.74 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1447.807 1461.504 1448.13 1461.45 Because that's a it's something extra , it's something other remotes don't have , which we can get a great advantage point . So and then you can make them with colour . Black and grey , other colours as well . 1450.65 1453.35 1457.96 1459.59 1460.4 1461.45 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1452.558 1453.231 1452.67 1452.96 Yeah . 1452.96 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1453.932 1455.936 1453.95 1455.74 Yeah that is true . 1455.74 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1460.309 1461.12 1460.62 1461.08 Yeah . 1461.08 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1461.626 1467.013 1461.8 1466.7 Yeah . We would have to look carefully into the design though . 1462.46 1466.7 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1465.851 1466.844 1466.05 1466.74 Costs . 1466.74 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1468.744 1475.276 1468.87 1475.17 'Cause we would have to make one w uh control which would fit in with a wooden cover and a - TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1476.319 1481.639 1476.46 1481.53 plastic cover . The more original one , or the more standard one . 1477.98 1479.26 1481.53 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1477.72 1478.528 1477.96 1478.2 Yeah . 1478.2 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1482.853 1487.769 1482.94 1487.7 Yeah . So you suggest we should design two different telephones 1483.57 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1482.818 1483.558 1483.0 1483.558 So that would - TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1488.779 1498.4 1488.93 1498.3 on which you can apply , yeah remote controls , on which you can apply different case covers , for example . 1490.66 1493.04 1496.99 1498.3 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1488.811 1491.841 1489.01 1491.841 Well I wouldn't design a telephone but - TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1496.388 1500.976 1496.55 1500.94 Well no I think w we should just , we should then just design one um 1498.75 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1502.011 1503.021 1502.18 1502.59 Remote . 1502.59 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1502.247 1508.88 1502.37 1508.67 one remote , but it would have to be fancy with either the wood cover or the plastic one . 1503.1 1508.67 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1507.666 1508.34 1507.79 1508.12 Yeah . 1508.12 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1509.792 1510.427 1509.86 1510.36 Okay . 1510.36 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1510.496 1513.425 1510.65 1513.05 So , but that shouldn't be too much of a problem . 1511.16 1513.05 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1514.097 1517.734 1514.24 1517.67 So everybody's okay with the changing covers ? 1517.67 TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 1518.226 1518.899 1518.39 1518.62 Yes . 1518.62 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1518.508 1520.629 1518.53 1520.59 I think that's a good uh good option . 1520.59 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1518.504 1519.076 1518.57 1518.94 Yeah . 1518.94 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1523.761 1525.612 1523.88 1525.55 Changing case covers . 1525.55 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1524.922 1533.306 1524.94 1533.12 Um I heard our Industrial Designer talk about uh flat , single and double curved . Could you explain that a little more ? 1529.27 1531.51 1533.12 TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 1530.688 1531.509 1530.81 1531.23 Yes . 1531.23 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1531.0 1531.707 1531.23 1531.58 Yeah . 1531.58 TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 1533.252 1547.495 1533.41 1546.99 Well the the general like most older remotes are flat , just straight . And uh our d manufacturing department can also deliver single curved or double curved ca curved cases . 1538.41 1540.6 1546.99 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1539.905 1540.814 1540.01 1540.34 Mm-hmm . 1540.34 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1547.11 1549.871 1547.27 1549.54 And what would single curved and double curved mean ? 1549.54 TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 1549.772 1562.4 1550.07 1562.36 Um it would just only affect the form , for as far as I know . So it's j really just up to the design department what we're gonna use . It doesn't really matter for the price or the functionality . 1554.74 1556.22 1560.03 1562.36 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1559.805 1560.462 1559.92 1560.33 Okay . 1560.33 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1562.43 1565.729 1562.64 1565.39 So we can pretty much just do whatever we want . 1565.39 TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 1563.98 1565.597 1564.12 1565.37 Pick one you like , yes . 1565.11 1565.37 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1566.454 1567.7 1566.62 1567.61 Mm . Okay . 1567.17 1567.61 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1566.611 1567.181 1566.64 1566.88 'Kay . 1566.88 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1567.716 1568.793 1567.88 1568.23 That's good . 1568.23 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1569.28 1573.188 1569.32 1573.188 Uh but the form has to be um It has to - TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1574.299 1579.316 1574.41 1579.12 It's has to be possible to stand up ? Or just only to lie down ? 1576.77 1579.12 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1578.337 1579.953 1578.46 1579.67 No just to lie down . 1579.67 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1579.66 1580.771 1579.66 1580.71 okay . 1580.71 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1580.292 1584.299 1580.5 1584.16 And the the cover of the the docking station is also - TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1581.098 1582.378 1581.25 1582.29 We'll go for that . 1582.29 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1585.175 1588.003 1585.25 1587.92 on top of the television then ? Or not ? 1587.49 1587.92 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1587.597 1589.179 1587.87 1588.89 Well or besides it . 1588.89 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1589.616 1600.555 1589.91 1600.48 And you can just yeah then click it in . That's okay . Um so the interface . What type of interface do we want to use ? 1591.8 1593.69 1597.22 1600.48 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1601.801 1607.39 1601.88 1607.09 Um maybe you can make a little drawing of it on the - TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1607.552 1608.393 1607.83 1608.32 Mm-hmm . 1608.32 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1608.872 1613.956 1609.01 1613.81 on the the board . Does somebody have ideas for a form or 1611.44 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1610.753 1611.527 1610.9 1611.31 Mm . 1611.31 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1615.197 1622.133 1615.37 1622.133 Uh we can just use the regular form of it , but it's um not quite uh fancy . So um 1618.42 1621.39 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1623.076 1623.783 1623.27 1623.65 Yeah . 1623.65 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1624.453 1649.167 1624.57 1649.0 Um you uh said you wanted to put the um changing channels button on the right side , so you could , so your thumb would be easily Well uh I think that was a very good point 'cause I pointed out earlier that a lot of remotes cause R_S_I_ . So that would be great for that . Um I thought maybe we could just make one of those buttons on both the left and the right side . 1631.42 1632.0 1641.56 1643.42 1649.0 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1631.729 1633.377 1631.83 1633.14 Yeah . Yeah . 1632.95 1633.14 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1650.532 1653.361 1650.67 1653.24 For uh Uh for Yeah yeah . 1653.24 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1650.933 1653.694 1650.95 1653.55 For left-handed users also . 1653.55 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1653.246 1653.885 1653.43 1653.76 Yep . 1653.76 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1654.169 1654.707 1654.26 1654.49 Mm . 1654.49 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1655.516 1657.132 1655.76 1656.71 Yeah we um - TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1658.064 1679.466 1658.29 1679.29 Is it possible to um program it s so uh you got on the left side uh or on the right side uh buttons for for shifting u up and shifting up ? And on the uh other uh uh o other side uh buttons for uh shifting , uh for for the sound ? Or Or isn't it ? 1667.15 1674.14 1676.69 1679.29 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1676.424 1680.06 1676.54 1679.85 For the volume . Um well that could 1678.6 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1679.12 1680.096 1679.16 1679.89 Mm . 1679.89 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1680.756 1687.4 1680.756 1687.21 Yeah we could do that but I'm not sure if that would be very good for the easy , ease of use . 1686.54 1687.21 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1686.664 1692.529 1686.81 1692.529 Usabili Yeah ease of use will be a lot more difficult , and then it's 1691.53 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1687.46 1688.662 1687.84 1688.51 Yeah okay . 1688.51 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1692.361 1693.169 1692.63 1692.96 Uh . 1692.96 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1693.849 1705.312 1693.96 1705.27 But if we would make um a changing channels and changing volume button on both sides , that would certainly yield great options for the design of the remote . 1700.15 1705.27 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1706.686 1707.393 1706.79 1707.35 Mm . 1707.35 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1706.98 1709.506 1707.13 1709.4 'Cause it could be made all symmetrical and stuff . 1709.4 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1710.558 1711.669 1710.79 1711.669 Yeah but - TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1711.336 1715.175 1711.51 1714.95 But you have extra buttons . So people can get confused . 1713.49 1714.95 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1713.218 1713.892 1713.34 1713.69 Yeah . 1713.69 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1714.733 1715.508 1714.89 1715.29 Yeah . 1715.29 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1715.364 1716.374 1715.52 1716.17 That is true . 1716.17 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1716.35 1716.989 1716.46 1716.7 Yeah . 1716.7 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1717.633 1720.932 1717.73 1720.86 Especially if they have the same writings on it . 1720.86 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1722.127 1728.255 1722.36 1728.255 See um yeah . Or we have to make a left uh For lefties and 1724.17 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1726.267 1732.496 1726.41 1732.34 Can't we make uh Can't we make a remote which you can flip over and use - TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1733.237 1734.382 1733.4 1734.17 on the same - TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1734.921 1735.931 1735.09 1735.931 Um - TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1735.594 1738.052 1735.72 1737.89 functions as the normal one ? 1737.89 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1738.389 1739.803 1738.54 1739.803 You mean um - TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1740.159 1741.944 1740.29 1741.944 Then you have to - TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1740.544 1741.655 1740.74 1741.655 Yeah if - TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1742.785 1744.065 1742.91 1743.98 Let's see if I ca - TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1746.018 1747.6 1746.21 1747.48 A blank one . 1747.48 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1750.462 1752.92 1750.68 1752.92 And then you get - TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1772.598 1774.989 1772.7 1774.82 Here's a little L_C_D_ screen . 1774.82 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1777.548 1781.252 1777.72 1781.07 Uh now I have to think . 1781.07 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1804.297 1805.711 1804.34 1805.53 It's a plus and a min . 1805.53 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1808.506 1815.2 1808.61 1815.2 No it's not very handy I think . Because the plus and the min will be opposite and all kinds of 1810.69 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1810.199 1811.175 1810.3 1810.88 Mm no . 1810.88 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1812.874 1813.581 1813.07 1813.45 Yeah . 1813.45 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1813.001 1813.775 1813.2 1813.51 Yeah . 1813.51 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1816.822 1818.371 1816.98 1818.13 No that's not gonna work . 1818.13 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1819.583 1832.812 1819.82 1832.62 I guess . Maybe we should Yeah . But is it a problem that left-handed persons use a different hand ? I think the functions are 1821.0 1823.49 1831.17 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1821.224 1822.369 1821.31 1822.369 Um - TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1833.721 1839.815 1833.89 1839.815 that basic that nobody should have any problems with uh choosing a channel or - TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1837.948 1840.238 1837.99 1840.02 Yeah . That is true . 1839.3 1840.02 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1839.567 1840.341 1839.73 1840.2 Yeah . 1840.2 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1841.621 1846.873 1841.79 1846.873 It's just uh u using uh your thumb . So um it's 1844.86 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1844.483 1849.702 1844.6 1849.61 Y yeah . Yeah . I think we could just uh leave it a normal shape . 1845.89 1847.12 1849.61 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1849.466 1850.207 1849.58 1849.92 Yeah . 1849.92 TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 1849.846 1850.688 1849.99 1850.35 Yeah . 1850.35 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1851.755 1853.872 1851.92 1853.65 Uh but maybe we have to - TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1855.526 1860.038 1855.66 1859.88 make it a l a bit more fancy . In one or ano another way . 1857.83 1859.88 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1859.836 1861.116 1860.06 1861.116 Yeah . Um 1860.34 TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 1861.732 1868.028 1861.94 1867.85 I think we should start by by choosing a case . Because that's the basis you're building on . 1865.34 1867.85 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1866.818 1868.538 1866.91 1868.32 Yeah yeah . 1868.32 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1868.504 1869.345 1868.74 1869.14 Yeah . 1869.14 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1868.94 1869.647 1869.23 1869.37 Yeah . 1869.37 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1871.36 1874.041 1871.44 1874.041 Um yeah just - TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 1871.683 1874.57 1871.76 1874.45 So I could draw them out . 1874.45 TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 1879.966 1881.952 1880.24 1881.51 Let's look at the flat case . 1881.51 TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 1882.656 1883.504 1882.71 1883.3 Oh . 1883.3 TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 1889.494 1900.016 1889.73 1899.93 It's from the side so it's rather normal . The the single curved so I'm not really sure what they're gonna look like , but I think it's something like this . 1893.58 1898.32 1899.93 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1891.333 1892.175 1891.38 1892.05 Mm-hmm . 1892.05 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1891.527 1892.373 1891.82 1892.1 Mm-hmm . 1892.1 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1892.324 1893.233 1892.55 1892.91 Yeah . 1892.91 TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 1907.06 1916.496 1907.36 1916.32 So this type should be better for you or better Should prevent repetitive strain injury a bit . 1916.32 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1911.766 1912.709 1911.99 1912.48 Easier ? 1912.48 TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 1918.407 1923.054 1918.55 1922.74 And the double curved s looks something like this I guess . 1922.74 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1932.965 1933.635 1933.15 1933.41 Mm . 1933.41 TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 1932.889 1936.08 1933.16 1936.0 So th those are the three options we have . 1936.0 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1936.032 1957.812 1936.23 1957.59 'Kay . I suggest um the single curved , because maybe the curve is pretty good to put the the screen in . Uh so that elderly people can uh use the remote control and at the same time look easily at the screen , because it's a bit , it has a bit of a angle . 1938.28 1941.5 1947.09 1955.14 1956.3 1957.59 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1936.839 1937.614 1936.99 1937.19 Mm . 1937.19 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1955.722 1956.631 1955.79 1956.631 So um - TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1958.584 1960.402 1958.76 1960.402 Do you say this um - TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1963.23 1964.308 1963.28 1964.308 S uh - TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1967.574 1972.759 1967.67 1972.66 Uh you got like uh sort of a I believe There ? 1972.66 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 1972.279 1973.087 1972.52 1972.77 Mm-hmm . 1972.77 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1973.776 1979.934 1974.0 1979.8 So um you want to put a display over here ? Or not ? Yeah . 1978.49 1979.53 1979.8 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1978.928 1980.713 1979.09 1980.56 Yeah . I think so . Yeah . 1979.54 1980.3 1980.56 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1981.214 1982.392 1981.41 1982.392 Um - TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 1983.47 2001.098 1983.62 2001.098 Yeah . Uh we can make it um Mm ? That's the top . So uh this top . This down . Um maybe it's possible to uh make this side like um Let's see . Um 1985.03 1989.45 1990.55 1991.94 1992.83 2000.43 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1984.856 1985.866 1984.97 1985.866 But now it's - TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1986.708 1991.724 1986.88 1991.53 Do you have it upside down or Do you have it this that's top ? 1991.53 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 1992.398 1993.038 1992.49 1992.9 Okay . 1992.9 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 2001.87 2004.53 2001.96 2004.28 Colour uh okay . 2004.28 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 2010.544 2014.462 2010.75 2014.25 Uh to make this side um like mm - TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 2016.483 2023.048 2016.7 2023.048 the right colour . Um bit like so uh um in the form of your hand . So um 2018.5 2022.17 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 2024.224 2025.456 2024.46 2025.456 Uh it's an - TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 2025.659 2026.467 2025.82 2026.22 Yeah . 2026.22 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 2026.841 2035.393 2026.95 2035.36 So so the remote control have to um lay in your hand . So uh it's possib um yeah for s so and 2031.57 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 2034.48 2036.366 2034.61 2036.18 So get your mouse . Yeah . 2035.81 2036.18 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 2036.944 2041.622 2037.14 2041.51 And to put uh the the buttons for um - TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 2042.767 2046.202 2042.86 2046.202 changing uh the channel uh over here uh - TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 2046.754 2053.892 2046.92 2053.86 Yeah . That's a good one . But I think it's better to put the screen uh on top . 2048.31 2049.61 2053.86 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 2049.215 2049.93 2049.46 2049.69 Yeah . 2049.69 TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 2049.457 2050.299 2049.54 2049.69 Yeah . 2049.69 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 2054.601 2056.625 2054.601 2056.45 Uh rem - TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 2055.475 2067.865 2055.63 2067.61 So just flip it a hundred and eighty degrees around then you get here . If you can have this one , you turn it like this . And then flip it upside down . 2063.39 2064.93 2065.92 2067.61 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 2058.978 2061.503 2059.11 2061.503 Yeah but this place um - TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 2068.271 2070.608 2068.38 2070.608 Uh it's Yeah I dunno um - TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 2070.324 2074.97 2070.43 2074.9 Because uh maybe your hand is in the way , if you have the display here . 2072.76 2074.9 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 2073.995 2074.533 2074.03 2074.36 Yeah . 2074.36 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 2074.124 2074.831 2074.3 2074.62 Mm-hmm . 2074.62 TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 2076.301 2081.924 2076.52 2081.85 It's more logical to have it on top as well because , like on your mobile phone , it's always above . 2079.19 2080.31 2081.85 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 2078.539 2079.448 2078.6 2079.0 I think i - TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 2078.877 2080.615 2079.05 2080.615 Yeah so - TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 2081.068 2081.859 2081.37 2081.79 Yeah . 2081.79 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 2081.401 2082.041 2081.51 2081.88 On top . 2081.88 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 2085.924 2086.691 2086.19 2086.691 So - TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 2086.822 2088.0 2086.93 2088.0 Yeah . 2087.91 TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 2087.85 2090.678 2088.03 2090.3 Oh maybe you should just s start on a blank page . 2090.3 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 2089.01 2092.883 2089.01 2092.883 . So then we get 2089.01 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 2090.237 2091.516 2090.56 2091.19 Yeah . 2091.19 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 2106.336 2108.656 2106.36 2108.38 Here's That's the curve . 2108.38 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 2116.954 2118.829 2117.25 2118.829 Five minutes . 2118.75 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 2122.646 2134.263 2122.81 2134.21 Here the display , and then buttons . Yeah and then we can have a little bit off here and here maybe . Just that's for left hand and right hand users . 2124.09 2125.09 2131.75 2134.21 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 2133.856 2134.968 2134.14 2134.89 Yeah . 2134.89 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 2134.193 2135.17 2134.49 2134.8 Mm-hmm . 2134.8 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 2135.912 2139.76 2136.08 2139.58 And then h the rest of the buttons over here . 2139.58 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 2138.653 2144.68 2138.92 2144.63 Yeah . But um the on-off button , um still on the top uh Yeah . 2140.34 2142.18 2144.63 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 2143.463 2145.025 2143.6 2144.99 Yeah still here jus - TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 2145.623 2146.33 2145.84 2146.11 Yeah . 2146.11 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 2146.28 2146.998 2146.53 2146.998 That's - TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 2146.584 2149.48 2146.73 2149.2 And I'd prefer the corners to be round . 2149.2 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 2149.288 2149.995 2149.45 2149.85 Yeah . 2149.85 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 2149.764 2151.144 2149.9 2151.01 Yeah . 'Kay . 2150.63 2151.01 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 2150.86 2152.341 2151.01 2151.91 Think that would be better . 2151.91 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 2151.107 2153.531 2151.21 2153.45 Should be more bit more friendly , yeah . 2153.07 2153.45 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 2154.242 2155.522 2154.35 2155.16 Friendly on the eye . 2155.16 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 2155.517 2156.512 2155.72 2156.25 'Kay . 2156.25 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 2157.52 2160.512 2157.59 2160.31 Supplements . That's okay . 2159.51 2160.31 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 2161.746 2164.979 2161.88 2164.979 Where's my mouse ? Then 2164.23 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 2169.411 2188.482 2169.54 2188.2 We've got a general idea of the concepts and the materials we're going to use . So now for the next meeting uh we'll have to look at the look-and-feel design . It's important that the corporate design image uh is going to be in the remote . So check out the corporate website maybe . 2175.12 2180.81 2185.75 2188.2 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 2188.482 2208.013 2188.91 2207.71 The user interface design , it's the same story . And product evaluation . So the Industrial Designer and User Interface Designer are going to work together on this one . But you're going to get your instructions I think sended by the coach . 2190.8 2192.86 2195.27 2201.99 2207.71 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 2208.013 2216.697 2208.54 2216.43 So just um I will put these um minutes on the in the folder . 2216.43 TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 2217.333 2218.209 2217.59 2217.83 Okay . 2217.83 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 2218.433 2243.753 2218.6 2243.61 And then we're going to uh try to finish our project , and uh make a good design for all the grandfathers and grandmothers , I think . Which are Uh let's see . I'm not sure if you're going to start right away to work together or I think you're going to fill in the questionnaires first . And then you'll get a message . 2222.88 2228.57 2230.07 2233.95 2242.33 2243.61 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 2241.279 2242.155 2241.49 2241.81 Yeah . 2241.81 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 2241.788 2242.664 2242.05 2242.54 Yeah . 2242.54 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 2243.434 2244.208 2243.54 2243.78 Yeah . 2243.78 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 2244.713 2252.544 2244.81 2252.4 So that's uh basically it . Maybe this one ? Then we can save this one in the 2247.78 2250.26 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 2255.757 2257.002 2255.93 2256.85 folders group . 2256.85 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 2261.624 2272.432 2261.73 2272.35 Uh yes , it's here . SMARTboard , there it it . So if you wanna have a look at it , it's over there in the projects folder . 2262.47 2266.53 2267.46 2267.88 2270.29 2272.35 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 2263.456 2264.247 2263.6 2263.82 Yeah . 2263.82 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 2272.069 2272.776 2272.21 2272.38 Yeah . 2272.38 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 2274.345 2277.746 2274.52 2277.64 And then I guess we'll start in thirty minutes again . 2277.64 TS3003c A MTD009PM 0 2279.031 2280.378 2279.26 2280.11 Thank you . 2280.11 TS3003c D MTD012ME 3 2279.193 2280.203 2279.46 2279.88 Very good . 2279.88 TS3003c C MTD0010ID 2 2279.849 2280.624 2279.99 2280.28 Okay . 2280.28 TS3003c B MTD011UID 1 2279.761 2280.67 2280.01 2280.36 Okay . 2280.36 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 11.719 12.476 11.79 12.476 So - TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 20.507 22.656 20.7 22.656 Hello . 22.19 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 22.741 29.046 22.96 28.91 Good afternoon . Sorry I'm a little late . Got stuck in the traffic . 24.71 27.65 28.91 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 26.819 27.761 26.98 27.56 No problem . 27.56 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 29.075 44.765 29.17 44.5 Okay . That's possible on uh this time of day . Starts at three o'clock . Uh Uh , let me see . Our fourth and last meeting . 31.89 35.51 36.66 41.12 42.11 44.5 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 37.148 38.368 37.42 37.78 Yeah . 37.78 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 47.559 48.906 47.74 48.7 There he is . 48.7 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 51.884 52.793 51.99 52.65 Yes . 52.65 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 55.632 80.779 55.7 80.779 Okay this our last meeting . In this meeting we will discuss our final design . And we will do some evaluation about the , not only the product , but also the project . And then we're going to close the project today as well . So after this you will be uh free to go and uh spend all your money . 58.01 62.36 66.64 68.25 70.74 74.73 80.27 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 80.779 100.921 80.95 100.53 And this uh design , detailed design meeting uh we will discuss uh the look-and-feel of the design , the usability interface design , and we will do the product evaluation . Um , in order to do that we have this agenda . 83.02 89.51 92.66 96.16 97.98 100.53 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 100.921 129.22 101.36 128.98 We'll have the prototype presentation first . Then we will set up some evaluation cri um criteria . Then we will look at the finance . Uh we will have to see if everything we wanna do is also possible within our budget . Because everything costs money , and the more functions you wanna have the more money it will cost . So we have to see if it fits within the twelve and a half Euro per remote . 104.31 108.47 111.28 118.51 119.81 122.64 128.98 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 129.22 144.858 129.42 144.58 But we will see that later . Then we will do the project uh evaluation , and the closing after that . We've got forty minutes . So we will be finished at half past three . But first um 131.06 133.91 136.08 137.98 143.14 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 145.689 155.487 145.8 155.36 we will do the this is prototype presentation . So , if some yeah if somebody wants step forward . 150.59 152.3 155.36 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 153.072 154.336 153.33 153.97 Okay . 153.97 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 157.689 171.754 157.91 171.43 Well this is what me and Richard came up with . The default spot for the on-off button . The mute button just below that . Then there's the volume and channel selectors . 163.18 166.3 169.14 171.43 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 171.754 184.669 172.79 184.59 Simple plus-minus button . Uh we thought of a help button . If you hold it and you press another button , uh the help goes to the L_C_D_ screen . 176.51 178.32 181.08 184.59 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 184.669 195.918 185.33 195.47 Then there's the zero to one to zero buttons . A button for teletext . A button for the subtitles . And the company logo . 190.06 192.1 194.12 195.47 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 195.918 205.703 196.65 205.09 So it's rather simple prototype . And uh we'll have to see from testing uh how the users take it . 201.08 205.09 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 206.084 206.892 206.27 206.74 Okay . 206.74 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 207.148 213.408 207.34 213.37 Um , is this the moment where we ask or can ask questions about the functionality ? 210.03 213.37 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 210.491 211.385 210.86 211.385 So - TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 213.731 216.68 213.75 216.03 Sure uh just pop in at any time . 216.03 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 213.734 214.852 213.99 214.56 Yeah . Yeah . 214.36 214.56 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 216.272 225.392 216.29 225.26 Um , when you're in teletext there usually are buttons where you just you just press it and you g go to the next teletext page . 217.84 225.26 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 226.88 235.2 226.94 235.2 Uh , that's just uh the normal uh as th as the normal uh remote controls uh So um 228.47 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 236.24 252.545 236.26 252.51 You put it uh you um came in uh page uh one hundred . Now you can use the normal uh one to zero buttons . And you But you can also uh use the um button th for uh changing the the channel . 240.92 244.92 252.51 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 240.733 241.547 240.92 241.32 Mm-hmm . 241.32 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 252.545 261.68 252.6 261.68 S so uh the shifting uh button . Uh for uh yeah shif shifting up in uh on t on t uh teletext , and shifting uh down . So 255.97 260.43 261.45 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 255.328 255.877 255.36 255.67 Okay . 255.67 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 262.148 265.369 262.33 265.369 Okay . Um 264.56 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 266.996 267.809 267.26 267.54 Yeah . 267.54 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 269.125 289.428 269.19 289.15 Okay . Uh but um I thought in a few meetings earlier we uh uh tried to keep it uh simple . Uh just a few buttons and large buttons . But uh I think these are altogether quite a quite a few buttons . 270.4 280.33 283.65 289.15 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 280.16 280.866 280.2 280.81 Oh yeah ? 280.81 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 290.808 296.816 291.07 295.59 So I'm wondering if we if we neely really need all of those buttons . 295.59 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 297.296 298.848 297.38 298.57 I think if you look at - TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 299.984 313.104 300.0 313.05 most controls , they've got more buttons than this . And well the on-off button , it's it's a necessity . You can't drop that one . The volume and channel buttons , you need you obviously need those those . 300.8 303.12 305.12 306.51 308.28 310.47 313.05 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 302.632 303.642 302.83 303.38 That's right . 303.38 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 303.017 303.65 303.27 303.53 Yeah . 303.53 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 306.464 306.857 306.53 306.69 Yeah . 306.69 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 306.403 307.177 306.6 306.96 Yeah . 306.96 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 313.248 314.18 313.43 313.92 Yeah . 313.92 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 314.144 332.064 314.35 331.98 The mute button could be replaced uh by pressing the volume-down button twice . So we could cancel that one . I think the help button really is necessary because there's no other way to know when someone wants to know what a button does . 320.14 322.96 331.98 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 326.62 327.366 326.65 327.23 Yeah yeah . 327.23 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 334.6 335.677 334.71 335.5 Mm . 335.5 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 334.67 353.36 334.76 353.36 Uh , or you can build in uh when you press uh one button uh uh Yeah . But m Yeah . We disc discuss that already . But uh we think uh old people uh don't know that uh option . So uh they just put in uh put press uh the button and uh 334.81 340.76 342.58 344.3 348.41 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 338.539 341.435 338.73 341.435 Long time . Yeah . If you put 340.08 340.73 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 354.648 356.432 354.72 356.22 Yeah . Okay . 355.72 356.22 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 356.576 358.08 356.6 357.96 Well , you can't 357.26 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 359.062 361.3 359.3 361.07 leave out the number buttons I guess . 361.07 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 361.04 361.424 361.06 361.424 And uh - TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 361.213 366.129 361.37 366.08 Yeah . Uh teletext and subtitles are yeah necessary . Okay . 362.78 365.67 366.08 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 362.464 363.13 362.63 363.13 And - TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 364.32 368.016 364.35 367.75 Yeah . So it's rather basic already . 365.81 367.75 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 364.529 365.051 364.71 364.98 Oh . 364.98 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 364.824 365.604 365.09 365.37 Yeah . 365.37 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 368.0 376.032 368.18 375.8 Yeah . Think so . That's what I pointed out earlier . If you just make a control for just the T_V_ there's just not much to gain here . 368.94 370.09 371.27 375.8 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 375.504 376.085 375.66 375.85 Yeah . 375.85 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 375.894 376.5 376.01 376.41 Yep . 376.41 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 377.84 383.123 378.02 383.0 Okay . So we had somebody about th interfa Something about the design of the buttons there ? 378.77 383.0 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 383.36 399.44 383.38 399.22 Yeah , they're It's rather hard to draw on the white-board . But they're supposed to be equal sized , round , with a with a little logo on it for the for the volume , the the triangle and stuff . Just for recognition . 383.83 387.07 389.95 391.13 395.93 398.17 399.22 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 384.475 386.509 384.52 386.509 Yeah . Yeah , it 385.95 386.07 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 384.503 386.928 384.53 386.6 Just n normal plain buttons . 386.6 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 396.192 398.708 396.21 398.708 Yeah yeah . Just to recognise it , so uh 397.12 398.16 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 396.389 398.611 396.54 398.43 Yeah . 'Kay . 398.01 398.43 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 399.36 402.528 399.39 402.528 Uh yeah and now we don't need uh LEDs or um - TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 402.707 403.448 402.83 403.3 No . 403.3 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 403.52 413.536 403.56 413.536 Y uh s some uh remote controls uh do it also , but um uh because we use the little display we don't uh have to use it . Uh so 407.48 412.16 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 407.017 407.724 407.12 407.55 No . 407.55 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 412.774 414.592 412.94 414.5 Yeah . Okay . 413.99 414.5 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 414.364 423.488 414.53 423.26 So and for the materials we've just chosen for rubber buttons . With a a different colour than the case . So they jump out . 418.6 421.6 423.26 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 417.824 418.496 417.84 418.16 Nay . 418.16 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 418.599 419.138 418.75 418.95 Yep . 418.95 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 425.071 443.421 425.16 443.13 Okay . That's nice . Then because we only have thirty minutes left , I will move on to the finance part , which is pretty exciting , to see if it's all possible what we wanna do . And I can tell you 427.7 428.59 432.38 435.83 437.54 441.03 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 425.143 427.024 425.3 426.72 And uh that's about it . 426.72 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 444.982 452.053 445.14 451.84 that we're going to have a pretty hard time producing this for twelve and a half Euros . 451.84 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 453.504 454.068 453.54 453.85 Mm . 453.85 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 454.073 465.756 454.2 465.71 If we see I don't know if I've filled in correctly , so just correct me if you see uh something wrong . I counted two batteries . But maybe we can also use one . I don't know if it's possible . 456.9 460.93 462.75 464.49 465.71 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 465.044 466.366 465.13 466.24 Since it rechargeable . 466.24 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 466.733 468.383 466.88 468.29 It's rechargeable . That's right . 467.78 468.29 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 467.695 469.898 467.88 469.898 Yeah we can u just uh - TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 471.563 479.778 471.59 479.64 Okay . That's two Euros off . We need the advanced chip . So there's not much to uh 472.8 475.69 477.71 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 474.644 475.593 474.77 475.593 'Kay . 475.48 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 477.943 478.502 478.04 478.45 Yep . 478.45 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 481.84 494.324 481.84 494.16 to save there . Here we have the single curves . Uh we can see that the difference between uncurved and the single curved is one Euro . Um , 484.45 486.74 493.3 494.16 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 492.752 493.483 492.78 493.35 Mm . 493.35 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 495.593 508.058 495.67 507.71 I don't know , but I think the single curved is good for design , and also for the display to have a prominent place on the remote control . I think we have to keep that . 496.18 500.78 506.3 507.71 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 500.304 500.907 500.35 500.83 Yeah . 500.83 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 505.744 506.473 505.85 506.25 Yes . 506.25 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 507.584 508.133 507.6 507.79 Yeah . 507.79 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 508.058 522.78 508.94 522.53 Then we have the case material supplements . It's plastic . It's the cheapest one we need . So that's uh not much to save either . But then the biggest costs are the buttons . 512.07 512.88 515.51 518.93 522.53 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 522.78 539.312 523.09 539.22 So maybe we really should try to discard some buttons to uh keep our costs low . Because you have to we will have to get the twelve and a half Euros at the end . Um , 531.24 538.46 539.22 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 526.992 527.726 527.01 527.67 Okay . 527.67 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 530.768 531.286 530.79 531.0 Yeah . 531.0 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 540.736 552.989 540.91 552.82 so if we Let's fir first count the buttons we have now . Because I Sixteen . Nah , that will be even more then . Eighteen Euros . 544.98 547.41 547.63 551.71 552.82 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 543.131 543.801 543.35 543.801 Uh - TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 544.938 546.531 545.05 546.4 Sixteen , I believe so . 545.69 546.4 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 556.12 557.063 556.26 556.97 So , 556.97 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 556.158 557.48 556.47 557.37 Uh seventeen . 557.37 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 558.207 559.191 558.37 559.04 seventeen . 559.04 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 558.591 559.373 558.84 559.373 Um - TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 559.48 561.108 559.58 560.74 Uh with the help button . 560.74 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 562.085 569.93 562.21 569.73 Okay , including the help ? Yeah . Uh seventeen . I think we can uh discard the help and the mute button 562.52 563.63 564.17 565.77 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 562.04 562.711 562.31 562.61 Yep . 562.61 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 562.803 563.52 563.03 563.42 Damn . 563.42 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 563.429 563.876 563.58 563.81 Yeah . 563.81 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 570.845 575.862 570.93 575.77 uh by pressing down volume long , or pressing down a a number 573.41 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 576.64 576.992 576.64 576.992 . 576.992 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 577.04 577.66 577.11 577.33 Yep . 577.33 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 577.444 583.572 577.58 583.47 long . That saves us uh one Euro already . 'Cause then we have got fifteen I think ? 578.37 581.57 583.47 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 583.05 583.728 583.29 583.54 Yeah . 583.54 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 584.688 587.811 584.8 587.37 Wouldn't Yeah . No . That wouldn't be an option . 586.04 586.64 587.37 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 585.592 587.444 585.68 587.29 Fifteen buttons . 587.29 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 588.892 590.037 589.11 590.037 And this is - TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 589.066 594.489 589.28 594.35 Uh , d I assume you'd count the volume and channel thingies for two buttons each , right ? 589.41 593.96 594.35 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 594.414 596.535 594.59 596.38 No those are one , I think . 595.93 596.38 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 595.648 596.277 595.75 596.09 Yeah . 596.09 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 597.579 600.427 597.67 600.16 Well , think actually there're two buttons , aren't they ? 597.79 599.8 600.16 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 597.735 598.905 597.97 598.905 Where did uh - TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 599.52 603.362 599.56 603.362 Uh , it's just one button . But , um 600.57 601.7 602.58 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 604.336 615.125 604.47 615.125 Yeah . There were uh two uh for one big button . But they are uh more expensive than the small ones . Uh , yeah . So 605.12 608.09 612.78 612.89 614.47 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 614.154 625.972 614.4 625.82 Yeah but th it's not stated in this files . So maybe we can we can even make one button with the volume and the channel in one , by pressing 617.61 624.95 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 616.432 619.774 616.47 619.22 It's just a . 619.22 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 624.867 629.24 625.1 628.91 Well I was thinking , maybe you could just integrate three of those numbers to one button . 625.85 628.91 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 630.335 631.985 630.46 631.89 That's possibility as well . 631.89 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 632.064 634.122 632.08 634.02 That would cut the cost . 634.02 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 634.847 638.449 634.97 638.449 So And it's good for the design as well . So you can make 637.47 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 639.729 643.735 639.82 643.735 Uh let's see . If you make this 642.53 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 658.544 662.88 658.544 662.83 Looks a bit like uh - TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 664.155 666.208 664.33 666.208 a cross . 666.04 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 670.544 672.304 670.56 672.23 Plus . Min . 671.64 672.23 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 674.541 685.088 674.62 685.088 But I don't don't know if if it's cheaper . So uh , we've still got four buttons , but just um So 678.14 679.73 681.4 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 677.232 680.148 677.33 679.94 Uh s yeah channel . Yeah w 679.38 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 684.911 687.739 685.02 687.55 Yeah th I think they count uh the materials . 687.55 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 687.118 693.936 687.38 693.936 You got uh not not a butt button itself , but uh on the um 690.06 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 692.621 694.911 692.79 694.6 Yeah on the chip there . Yeah . 694.34 694.6 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 693.936 698.779 693.96 698.779 Yeah . On the chip you've got still uh four uh four buttons . So 694.29 698.25 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 694.42 695.2 694.59 694.91 Yeah . 694.91 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 695.639 696.554 695.88 696.17 Mm-hmm . 696.17 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 696.224 697.744 696.4 697.59 That's right . That's right . 697.1 697.59 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 698.432 699.096 698.45 698.87 Yeah . 698.87 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 698.736 706.123 698.93 706.123 But I think because we have the advanced chip we can just count this as one button . But No but I think 704.76 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 701.712 702.7 701.87 702.7 Yeah , but 702.26 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 705.528 708.64 705.64 708.49 But , I think this really is four buttons anyhow . 706.16 708.49 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 709.152 709.808 709.17 709.69 Yes . 709.69 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 711.68 731.727 711.7 731.66 Yeah . Maybe it is , but then it seems to me that it's impossible to get the twelve and a half Euros . Also the L_C_ display , I think it's , I think it's too expensive for the display we use . I think they uh try t 713.6 714.29 721.1 724.23 725.28 728.07 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 721.311 722.242 721.44 721.99 Yes . 721.99 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 723.744 725.48 723.86 725.31 Uh that's that's a big cost . 725.31 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 731.648 735.968 731.67 735.89 If we leave out the display we can also save money on the chip . 735.89 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 737.74 745.44 737.89 745.44 That's right , but what's the big advantage of our remote then ? 738.42 745.35 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 745.36 747.328 745.39 746.89 Only the docking station , I guess . 746.49 746.89 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 747.639 748.615 747.79 748.31 Yeah . 748.31 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 749.598 754.08 749.86 754.02 Which isn't the the docking station isn't even in this c s schematic . 754.02 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 755.248 760.231 755.41 759.92 No . That's extra . That's extra . That's right . 756.79 758.58 759.46 759.92 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 755.293 758.08 755.42 757.99 So it's not even taken into the price . 757.99 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 760.768 762.72 760.79 762.47 Maybe we should to a different supplier . 762.47 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 763.296 783.392 763.296 783.35 That's an option . Poland . Something . Polish supplier . Don't you think we can , if we can count this as v as one button , and integrate th uh these buttons in three , then we save a lot of money as well . 765.77 766.7 768.64 771.08 772.62 776.25 781.29 783.35 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 767.744 769.152 767.744 768.76 Yeah . 768.76 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 782.535 789.12 782.535 789.09 We we could save money on it . But would it make the remote more usable for elderly people ? 784.39 789.09 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 788.966 789.577 788.966 789.577 . 789.577 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 789.754 792.601 789.98 792.601 Yeah , that's what I'm wondering . 790.26 792.13 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 791.418 794.416 791.61 794.32 My mother can't even send send an S_M_S_ message . 794.32 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 795.488 796.208 795.54 796.208 So - TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 795.548 797.4 795.71 797.29 Yeah . That's a point . 796.48 797.29 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 797.991 798.771 798.12 798.771 Um - TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 798.512 804.032 798.53 804.032 Are we gonna buy a um a remote control uh when you can uh use it ? So um 803.23 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 805.84 806.585 805.86 806.28 Yeah . 806.28 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 807.851 819.056 807.95 819.056 We m uh we must um stay below the um below um twelve uh fifty or Can't uh go um - TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 816.496 817.013 816.6 816.88 Yep . 816.88 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 816.576 817.056 816.71 816.9 Yeah . 816.9 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 819.303 819.875 819.47 819.82 No . 819.82 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 821.52 823.576 821.55 823.4 Well , since the market research 821.75 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 824.512 837.271 824.53 837.15 indicated that older people spend their money easier , more easy , maybe it's feasible to just put the price of the remote up a little . Especially since we have those nice features . 828.99 829.5 834.39 837.15 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 835.472 835.978 835.49 835.78 Nay . 835.78 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 838.072 850.564 838.22 850.564 Yeah but uh we have to stick to the twelve and a half Euros . We don't have any more budget to develop it . Yeah . So 842.16 847.58 849.93 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 845.351 847.488 845.37 847.41 The margin will get too small . Yeah . 847.16 847.41 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 845.504 846.758 845.65 846.758 Is it impossible to - TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 849.572 853.199 849.79 853.08 But it is possible to make one uh for uh twelve fifty . 853.08 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 854.016 854.894 854.05 854.86 I don't think so . 854.86 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 854.315 862.064 854.51 861.88 It is . If you leave out the L_C_ display . And if you use less buttons . 855.21 859.13 861.88 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 855.127 857.737 855.27 857.61 It would be a be a pretty rigid one . 857.61 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 856.426 856.873 856.51 856.81 S - TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 860.432 860.815 860.45 860.73 Yeah . 860.73 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 863.036 868.464 863.08 868.24 Say Or you can take the single chip . 868.24 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 864.368 864.944 864.45 864.72 Ten . 864.72 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 864.645 867.696 864.75 867.696 But , you can't use uh 866.22 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 871.05 874.652 871.26 874.652 There it is . 874.45 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 872.306 872.917 872.34 872.67 Yeah . 872.67 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 875.328 877.088 875.47 876.98 But we want to make a - TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 877.088 883.424 877.088 883.26 uh so uh uh fancy and a good uh Yeah . 883.26 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 877.581 878.861 877.71 878.76 But then w - TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 883.792 884.802 883.91 884.66 Good looking . 884.66 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 883.832 887.152 884.38 887.09 Uh , wi with n Oh , with uh 884.6 886.2 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 889.011 889.92 889.13 889.46 Yeah . 889.46 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 889.067 896.16 889.32 896.16 attractive uh o options . So uh , you can stay uh below uh twelve fifty . So 890.83 892.92 895.71 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 896.183 898.506 896.24 898.506 I think it's uh difficult as well , but 898.11 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 896.43 897.026 896.59 896.91 Or b - TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 897.872 909.232 898.31 909.13 Basically becoming a choice between like either a good remote and a higher production cost , or just any other remote control . 905.91 909.13 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 907.104 908.781 907.2 908.781 No remote . 908.59 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 909.711 916.096 909.76 916.06 Or we can leave out the ten buttons and take one scroll wheel for the programme numbers . 916.06 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 917.398 918.656 917.53 918.62 Scroll-wheel's one . 918.62 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 917.651 919.923 917.651 919.923 That's - TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 917.454 918.238 917.74 918.15 Then w - TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 918.869 930.822 918.95 930.822 Because then we save ten buttons . Then we have five and one . And and see . If we have this one and we've got the advanced 921.55 926.04 927.97 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 919.499 920.177 919.64 920.177 No , it 919.91 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 921.556 922.19 921.62 921.96 Yeah . 921.96 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 933.671 936.999 933.81 936.999 W uh , we're getting close . 935.64 936.74 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 934.215 935.538 934.3 935.35 We're getting closer . 935.35 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 935.662 936.743 935.76 936.743 Yeah . 936.66 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 938.176 940.304 938.2 940.17 But how does scroll-wheel work here ? 940.17 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 942.992 944.541 943.14 944.541 Then you will - TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 948.076 949.76 948.17 949.56 Or maybe you can - TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 951.988 960.81 952.17 960.61 um scroll . If you scroll you will see the numbers on the L_C_D_ display . Until you've got the right number , then you push it . 954.16 958.56 959.86 960.61 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 958.786 959.566 958.91 959.18 Yeah . 959.18 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 961.424 964.584 961.46 964.47 That would bring up the price of the scroll-wheel also . 964.47 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 965.524 972.944 965.64 972.89 Alright . It's gotta scroll and push . Okay but then you you can push uh some other button as well . 965.99 968.0 972.89 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 965.567 969.264 965.74 969.23 Integrated scroll-wheel push-button . But Yeah . 968.36 969.23 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 966.72 967.096 966.74 966.93 Mm . 966.93 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 973.785 976.294 973.81 976.08 You could just not scroll for a half a second . 976.08 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 976.586 983.084 976.69 982.88 Yeah . That's right . So if you scroll to a number and then you wait a half second , then it g turns to that channel . 977.73 978.11 980.65 982.88 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 977.456 979.209 977.48 979.15 So you won't need a button . 979.15 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 982.279 985.264 982.58 985.23 I think that would be like the end of our usability . 985.23 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 985.34 996.4 985.34 996.34 But it would definitely crop cost , a lot . And we need the battery . 991.68 994.12 996.34 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 985.664 987.491 985.7 987.491 D yeah . 987.25 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 991.694 992.672 991.89 992.672 Yeah , but 992.2 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1001.052 1005.53 1001.14 1005.41 And the regular chip is not possible ? It has to be advanced ? 1004.4 1005.41 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 1006.63 1010.664 1006.79 1010.41 If you want to use an L_C_D_ screen you you need an advanced chip , yes . 1010.13 1010.41 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1008.695 1016.91 1008.79 1016.74 It has to be advanced . Yeah . Okay . And we can save a Euro by a flat design . 1010.28 1010.88 1012.91 1016.74 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1010.075 1010.694 1010.19 1010.48 Hmm . 1010.48 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1019.806 1025.264 1019.94 1025.11 That's an option we can Then we're almost there . 1025.11 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 1021.184 1022.016 1021.27 1021.5 Yep . 1021.5 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1021.483 1022.33 1021.71 1022.09 Ja ja . 1022.09 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 1026.016 1029.778 1026.12 1029.42 Yeah if you v could just leave out one more button . 1029.42 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1030.672 1033.13 1030.78 1033.13 Yeah . So if we 1032.21 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1033.2 1036.48 1033.24 1036.43 Yeah , or we have to uh skip the subtitle uh button . 1033.44 1036.43 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 1036.56 1037.104 1036.6 1037.05 Yeah . 1037.05 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1037.024 1040.976 1037.12 1040.976 Yeah but I think that's That is a big advantage , if we're 1040.12 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1037.373 1038.966 1037.51 1038.966 So Yeah - TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1040.384 1044.458 1040.4 1044.458 Yeah it's a big advantage . But um , it's 1042.03 1044.06 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1042.053 1042.76 1042.21 1042.76 But - TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1043.602 1047.945 1043.76 1047.8 Can we use can't we integrate the teletext and the subtitles in one button ? 1047.8 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 1048.414 1049.939 1048.45 1049.57 I think so . Yeah . 1049.34 1049.57 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1048.512 1049.271 1048.54 1049.24 Uh , yeah . 1048.86 1049.24 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1049.776 1060.736 1049.8 1060.59 Well , think it's pretty much the teletext subtitles are right now you just push the teletext button , go to page eight eight eight , and teletext disappears . But the subtitles stay there . 1050.13 1055.54 1057.56 1058.92 1060.59 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1049.696 1052.192 1049.87 1051.81 If you push it three times ? 1051.81 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1051.182 1051.965 1051.4 1051.86 Yeah . 1051.86 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1057.059 1057.833 1057.14 1057.75 Yeah . 1057.75 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1057.518 1058.144 1057.72 1058.02 Yeah . 1058.02 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1061.6 1064.208 1061.63 1064.208 But if you push the teletext button twice - TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1062.313 1063.872 1062.39 1063.872 I think that's the case on most - TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 1062.632 1070.562 1062.632 1070.562 What if you have to scroll to page eighty eight ? Eight hundred eighty eight . 1067.06 1070.15 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1065.819 1066.49 1065.93 1066.49 It's uh - TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1068.754 1071.907 1068.91 1071.8 One m uh one b uh , a few buttons . 1070.57 1071.8 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1068.776 1070.359 1068.99 1070.359 Ah that's not really that - TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1069.363 1075.228 1069.64 1074.98 Well , that could be just uh like the scroll to eight , click , scroll to eight , click , scroll to eight , click . 1069.86 1072.17 1072.58 1073.23 1073.5 1074.54 1074.98 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 1074.87 1076.192 1075.12 1076.15 Yeah . Okay . 1075.4 1076.15 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1076.848 1083.824 1076.92 1083.76 But then again that would be d j just pretty much not an option for older people , who don't even know what a scroll-wheel is . 1081.97 1083.76 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 1082.127 1083.058 1082.29 1083.0 No . 1083.0 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1084.128 1084.712 1084.15 1084.66 Yeah . 1084.66 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1085.344 1086.107 1085.36 1086.04 Holding a - TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1085.626 1086.468 1085.73 1086.23 No . 1086.23 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1087.712 1093.696 1087.79 1093.49 remote with which they expect to have like ten buttons for the numbers one to zero . 1093.49 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1096.336 1097.664 1096.36 1097.62 With only five buttons on it . 1097.62 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1099.744 1100.785 1099.76 1100.54 And a scroll-wheel . 1100.54 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1101.737 1114.801 1101.86 1114.59 I think if you make a good advertisement uh on television and in the in the guide , you can explain to the people how to use the scroll wheel . 1111.52 1114.59 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1115.824 1117.528 1115.85 1117.38 If you just make it real simple . 1117.38 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1120.719 1131.123 1120.92 1130.97 Because it saves it saves a lot of money . And we can keep our L_C_D_ screen , which can provide extra information . How to use the scroll wheel . How to use the other bu buttons as subtitles . 1122.75 1124.45 1126.22 1127.98 1130.97 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1128.494 1130.022 1128.74 1129.6 True . True . 1129.3 1129.6 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1130.976 1131.415 1131.0 1131.18 Hmm . 1131.18 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1133.042 1140.783 1133.17 1140.54 And it's good for the innovative design as well . If you would erase these . 1138.7 1140.54 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1142.5 1144.991 1142.66 1144.55 Mm eraser ? 1144.55 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1157.547 1159.365 1157.62 1159.365 And we put uh - TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1166.907 1169.804 1167.03 1169.804 Looks a bit odd maybe . 1169.7 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1169.871 1171.566 1170.02 1171.43 That's a pretty big scroll wheel . 1171.43 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1181.729 1182.835 1182.02 1182.835 That is - TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1190.954 1203.244 1191.11 1203.01 Something like that . Then , yeah . We've got the scroll-wheel . One , two , three , four , five buttons , if we erase this one . 1193.89 1195.23 1196.27 1197.25 1197.55 1198.02 1198.52 1198.98 1200.02 1203.01 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1214.896 1216.869 1215.15 1216.6 And these are two buttons then . 1216.6 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 1227.042 1232.992 1227.25 1232.992 We could make two buttons out of that . And just um 1231.25 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 1234.194 1238.384 1234.33 1238.2 If you press the volume button you can control the volume with the scroll-wheel . 1238.2 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1236.064 1236.842 1236.15 1236.36 Yeah . 1236.36 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 1239.824 1243.211 1239.89 1242.91 So that would save two buttons . If you do the same for the channel . 1241.61 1242.91 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1241.68 1242.534 1241.9 1242.36 Yeah . 1242.36 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1243.824 1247.184 1243.85 1247.04 That's really a good good idea , I think . 1246.43 1247.04 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1251.874 1257.6 1252.0 1257.42 And it will make the use of the scroll wheel uh more obvious indeed . 1257.42 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 1255.392 1256.32 1255.41 1256.14 More obvious . 1256.14 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1259.76 1264.497 1259.8 1264.4 So we make one for the volume , one for the channel . 1263.22 1264.4 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1271.792 1282.52 1271.82 1282.46 Plus scroll . That's right . So we've got one , two , three . Yeah , we can leave the teletext in if we want . 1275.4 1276.16 1277.15 1277.39 1278.73 1279.31 1282.46 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 1274.88 1275.881 1274.99 1275.881 So if we - TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 1282.681 1284.41 1282.78 1284.41 Yeah . So 1283.85 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1283.04 1283.392 1283.14 1283.31 Yeah . 1283.31 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1283.584 1284.976 1283.6 1284.85 That's m that's better . 1284.85 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1284.648 1286.377 1284.98 1286.21 So this is five buttons . 1286.21 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 1285.728 1293.824 1285.75 1293.5 If we leave out all those buttons , perhaps you can go with the flat flat case . And make it smaller overall . 1288.44 1291.9 1293.5 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 1294.992 1304.992 1295.2 1304.93 So if you put the the volume and channel buttons on the same height as the on-off button , the screen right behi under that , than the scroll button 1301.29 1303.9 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1295.109 1295.946 1295.28 1295.8 Y yeah . 1295.8 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1301.808 1302.476 1301.83 1302.37 Mm yeah . 1302.37 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1305.184 1307.063 1305.25 1307.063 Uh yeah , and then you can 1306.31 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 1305.984 1308.144 1306.23 1308.01 you get a a much smaller remote . 1308.01 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1307.92 1308.68 1308.12 1308.45 Uh yeah . 1308.45 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1308.464 1309.273 1308.48 1309.03 That's right . 1309.03 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 1310.032 1310.839 1310.28 1310.56 And it - TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1311.392 1312.048 1311.41 1312.0 So we can - TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 1311.517 1312.297 1311.62 1311.9 sh - TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1313.28 1316.224 1313.32 1315.99 decrease this one to four buttons . 1315.99 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 1316.772 1317.585 1317.08 1317.39 Yeah ? 1317.39 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1317.419 1318.945 1317.65 1318.84 Right now we have five . 1318.84 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1318.384 1333.808 1318.4 1333.808 But uh , you can make a f quite a big uh remote remote control for uh just the same price as a small one . Just uh you only have to pay for the double curved or single curved . It uh it's a bit uh 1319.45 1327.37 1331.54 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1326.976 1328.75 1327.12 1328.65 Yeah . That's no problem . 1327.77 1328.65 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1332.076 1332.846 1332.22 1332.71 Yeah . 1332.71 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1333.936 1350.069 1334.1 1349.32 Yeah . It's uh it's more the moulds in which they are being made , I think . Single curved is really easy to just fill in . And cases come right out of the machine . And single curved you have to have a different uh different machine , than a flat one . 1334.3 1337.94 1338.91 1341.49 1344.4 1348.52 1349.32 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1339.027 1339.81 1339.24 1339.67 Mm . 1339.67 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1342.032 1342.624 1342.032 1342.624 . 1342.624 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1350.069 1354.288 1350.87 1354.25 I think this is a really easy one . Um , 1353.49 1354.25 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1355.596 1363.744 1355.71 1363.68 what does everybody think about a flat or a single curved design ? Freek , what do you think ? 1362.04 1362.93 1363.68 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1364.72 1370.08 1364.74 1370.08 Well , I still think we should go for the single curve design . But then again , 1365.7 1368.03 1370.04 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 1367.952 1368.628 1368.0 1368.4 Yeah . 1368.4 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1368.448 1368.912 1368.448 1368.912 . 1368.912 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 1369.882 1372.357 1370.0 1372.23 Richard's argument was very good . Yeah . 1371.71 1372.23 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1370.848 1376.284 1370.87 1376.01 all these changes are not really okay with me . But since 1374.51 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1370.793 1371.463 1370.99 1371.24 Yeah . 1371.24 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1371.333 1371.935 1371.48 1371.73 Yeah . 1371.73 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1373.643 1374.346 1373.9 1374.25 Yep . 1374.25 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1376.991 1381.578 1377.07 1381.34 We have to cut costs . Yeah . Yeah I'm ag 1379.76 1380.75 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1377.504 1378.758 1377.69 1378.65 we just have to . 1378.65 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1378.302 1378.946 1378.52 1378.79 Yeah . 1378.79 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1380.881 1382.672 1380.97 1382.55 I'd rather just go to the board and - TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1384.384 1385.59 1384.48 1385.44 Ask for more money . 1385.44 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1384.707 1387.961 1384.9 1387.82 get us to spend eighteen dollars a a remote . 1387.82 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1386.816 1387.408 1386.93 1387.35 Yeah . 1387.35 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1388.416 1390.88 1388.52 1390.75 Yeah . I am agreeing with the usability . Yeah . 1388.86 1390.61 1390.75 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1389.046 1392.352 1389.28 1392.28 Or do some market research and see what the options are . 1392.28 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1393.792 1415.91 1393.81 1415.83 Yeah . But th um I think we can then keep the single curved one . Just to express our L_C_D_ screen a bit more . So people will use it more , and especially for the help functions , it will be good if we have scroll bar , scroll button . It will be necessary to have good help function , as well . 1395.63 1398.67 1404.23 1406.14 1407.77 1410.67 1412.34 1415.21 1415.83 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 1403.168 1404.005 1403.4 1403.68 Yep . 1403.68 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1403.262 1403.896 1403.4 1403.72 Yeah . 1403.72 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1404.139 1404.735 1404.32 1404.57 Yeah . 1404.57 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1423.786 1425.728 1423.86 1425.53 So this is scroll . 1425.53 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1436.107 1444.176 1436.29 1444.12 I think it was better to have this price list a bit earlier . Before we went on to the to the whole design . 1440.3 1444.12 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1440.221 1442.221 1440.44 1442.221 Yes . Definitely . 1441.19 1442.04 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1441.641 1442.285 1441.66 1442.15 The th - TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1445.52 1445.988 1445.56 1445.988 But - TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1446.792 1448.633 1446.94 1448.52 I'm glad we could make a bit . 1448.52 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1450.424 1451.248 1450.53 1450.89 Yeah . 1450.89 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1451.278 1455.056 1451.38 1454.87 It's pretty different , if you saw the last one than this one . 1452.38 1454.87 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1452.32 1461.632 1452.32 1461.52 It's pretty different . But this is not really like for the group we were making our remote . This will really require a lot of marketing 1453.62 1459.59 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1458.784 1459.184 1458.81 1459.03 No . 1459.03 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1462.361 1463.667 1462.52 1463.58 Yeah . It will . 1463.01 1463.58 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1462.913 1464.896 1463.22 1464.82 to get this to sell . 1464.82 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1465.456 1466.111 1465.64 1465.85 Yeah . 1465.85 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1467.184 1468.819 1467.184 1468.819 But um - TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1467.968 1474.676 1467.99 1474.26 'Cause if older people like familiar forms and familiar stuff . This is not familiar for them . 1472.97 1474.26 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1475.536 1476.928 1475.66 1476.928 No , but I think 1476.05 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1475.916 1478.594 1476.16 1478.3 So we're gonna have to do a lotta convincing them . 1478.3 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1478.154 1479.216 1478.24 1479.216 I think the most - TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1479.2 1488.48 1479.23 1488.48 But they know the scroll-buttons from uh old radios . Uh they cal also uh buttons like that for uh changing uh channels . So maybe it's uh 1482.45 1486.9 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1485.509 1486.255 1485.53 1485.95 Yeah . 1485.95 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1485.449 1498.928 1485.54 1498.82 That's right . We can let l We can stick it out , a bit . Like a old old buttons . Maybe that's recognisable for them as well . Yeah . That's a good one . 1487.13 1489.76 1490.57 1494.8 1497.09 1497.61 1498.82 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1491.249 1492.639 1491.45 1492.56 Yeah . Yeah . 1492.24 1492.56 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1496.469 1497.079 1496.68 1496.92 Yeah . 1496.92 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1498.928 1514.793 1499.52 1514.61 So , I'm afraid we have to move on . And it's uh it's b uh less frightening , I think . If they see this design they think oh , there are only five buttons , and uh But we will see . 1500.21 1503.8 1507.26 1507.89 1510.35 1511.52 1514.61 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1513.472 1514.223 1513.69 1514.05 Yeah . 1514.05 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1513.709 1515.872 1513.89 1515.8 That's true . Might uh might be confusing too . 1514.36 1515.8 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1516.128 1518.077 1516.15 1518.04 Yeah . That's definitely right . 1517.1 1518.04 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1516.963 1519.234 1517.2 1519.06 They'd be like , what ? Only five buttons ? 1517.68 1518.05 1519.06 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1517.12 1517.828 1517.25 1517.76 Mm-hmm . 1517.76 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1520.16 1520.89 1520.23 1520.65 Yeah . 1520.65 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1521.536 1523.41 1521.56 1523.41 But very special , so uh 1522.7 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1524.841 1527.687 1524.95 1527.687 I would buy it . 1527.52 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1526.461 1529.504 1526.461 1529.504 Yeah . But you're not sixty . 1527.3 1529.44 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1528.272 1536.593 1528.29 1536.36 That's right . I would buy it if I was six . No I don't know . What it costs under twelve and a half Euros ? No ? 1529.52 1531.82 1533.85 1535.83 1536.36 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1537.472 1539.584 1537.54 1539.39 Uh , yes they are . 1538.52 1539.39 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1539.838 1541.712 1539.98 1541.712 No . 1541.63 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1540.519 1546.077 1540.66 1545.9 No . But we can go on with the project evaluation . 1541.28 1545.9 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1546.592 1547.376 1546.63 1546.94 Mm-hmm . 1546.94 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1549.451 1555.248 1549.64 1555.19 Let's see . I can sit down I think . We still have fifteen minutes left , so we're nice on schedule . 1550.7 1551.85 1553.31 1555.19 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 1555.744 1556.413 1555.76 1556.32 Yeah . 1556.32 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1557.18 1560.304 1557.34 1560.17 Um , the project process . 1558.89 1560.17 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1560.24 1564.032 1560.26 1563.94 So um , I like set up all these criteria . 1561.16 1563.94 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1564.554 1566.48 1564.62 1566.42 And evaluation of the - TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1564.467 1569.872 1564.73 1569.72 Evaluation criteria . That's right . That was the the point I forgot . 1566.54 1567.03 1569.72 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1568.016 1568.859 1568.05 1568.46 thingy . 1568.46 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1570.708 1571.488 1570.73 1571.488 I should - TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1572.908 1585.959 1573.09 1585.959 There we are . Evaluation criteria . Go ahead . We've got five minutes I think for those criteria . No we've got fifteen minutes but 1574.16 1576.98 1579.38 1584.06 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1575.6 1577.552 1575.64 1577.552 Thank you . 1577.36 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1582.104 1583.595 1582.26 1583.39 Five more minutes ? 1583.39 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1585.528 1586.304 1585.68 1586.16 Okay . 1586.16 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1596.318 1597.541 1596.54 1597.42 Uh yes . What ? 1597.33 1597.42 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1602.971 1608.688 1603.1 1608.65 'Kay so I did some literature study study , and analysis of the requirements we set up earlier . 1605.87 1608.65 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1608.832 1609.606 1608.99 1609.39 Uh yeah . 1609.39 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1609.68 1622.544 1609.7 1622.32 Translated it into criteria , which would be these . Um , is the remote fancy ? The shape , look and feel . Innovative ? What new functions are there ? Uh , easy to use ? 1612.23 1613.47 1614.48 1615.84 1616.24 1617.56 1619.05 1621.37 1621.63 1622.32 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1623.552 1638.528 1623.6 1638.25 Uh , learnability is a very important factor here . Uh , is it functional ? Are there not too many functions uh among the functions ? And are the those functions that are there , are they useful ? And the cost . 1623.84 1627.41 1627.77 1629.52 1633.17 1635.2 1637.4 1638.25 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1640.72 1655.602 1640.8 1655.36 The target group . Is the remote really for the group we're making it for ? And recognability . If our company is If it is easily recognisable that our company made it ? 1641.62 1646.17 1649.98 1655.36 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1656.992 1657.584 1657.05 1657.584 And - TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1658.992 1661.093 1659.03 1660.81 So we're supposed to evaluate it right now . 1660.81 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1661.776 1662.406 1661.82 1662.15 Okay . 1662.15 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1664.064 1664.979 1664.23 1664.71 Let's see . 1664.71 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1667.284 1672.776 1667.41 1672.6 Oh I have to say this was a little hard , because the minutes of our last meeting 1670.46 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1673.488 1674.437 1673.71 1674.25 were not here . 1674.25 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1673.962 1684.128 1674.19 1684.09 Yeah , that's because my pen failed to upload his data . I tried to but it's uh it's giving errors by downloading the software . 1674.56 1679.47 1684.09 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1674.752 1675.216 1674.77 1674.99 Mm . 1674.99 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1677.968 1678.708 1677.99 1678.43 Okay . 1678.43 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1677.993 1679.112 1678.14 1679.112 Yeah ? 1678.87 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1679.386 1680.234 1679.47 1680.09 Interesting . 1680.09 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1683.04 1685.047 1683.31 1685.047 So - TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1684.048 1687.2 1684.08 1686.98 Mm . 'Kay . 1686.23 1686.98 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1687.12 1690.208 1687.14 1690.01 Is the design fancy , on a scale of one to seven ? 1688.75 1690.01 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1690.301 1691.657 1690.37 1691.51 I think it's fancy . 1691.51 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 1692.528 1693.184 1692.56 1693.14 Six . 1693.14 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1693.376 1693.616 1693.45 1693.58 Yeah . 1693.58 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1694.16 1695.484 1694.28 1695.36 Uh six . Yeah . 1695.15 1695.36 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1694.323 1696.934 1694.52 1696.6 We all go for six ? Good . 1696.35 1696.6 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1695.232 1695.776 1695.27 1695.64 Six . 1695.64 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1700.9 1704.459 1701.05 1703.92 Um , is the design innovative ? 1702.64 1703.92 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1704.24 1717.92 1704.37 1717.92 Very . Subtitles , buttons . Yeah . Seven . Yeah . So we've got twenty cents for our docking station , huh ? 1706.85 1708.0 1709.12 1710.25 1711.89 1712.95 1714.98 1717.63 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1704.117 1706.185 1704.43 1706.1 Mm . Sh 1705.61 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1704.967 1709.34 1705.1 1709.29 I think so , with our L_C_D_ screen , docking station , scroll-buttons . 1705.58 1707.23 1708.34 1709.29 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 1709.685 1710.329 1709.82 1710.12 Yeah . 1710.12 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1710.992 1711.781 1711.02 1711.41 Seven ? 1711.41 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1711.467 1712.111 1711.66 1711.87 Yeah . 1711.87 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1716.912 1722.179 1716.912 1721.81 Should be do-able . Is the design easy to use ? 1720.3 1721.81 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1719.352 1720.64 1719.5 1720.54 Yeah . That's right . 1720.07 1720.54 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1722.384 1723.738 1722.42 1723.54 Mm . Not really . 1722.93 1723.54 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1723.059 1725.974 1723.08 1725.77 That's a bit dodgy . 1725.77 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1725.501 1726.213 1725.62 1726.213 Well - TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1727.637 1729.298 1727.8 1729.298 Would be for us . But 1728.79 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1729.68 1731.132 1729.71 1731.132 For old people I I - TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1730.352 1735.364 1730.37 1735.28 I would say four . Four or five between . Between four or five . 1732.79 1734.31 1735.28 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 1731.885 1733.343 1732.11 1733.19 Four or five . Yes . 1732.89 1733.19 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1732.048 1734.488 1732.14 1734.4 W Yeah . Four . 1733.79 1734.4 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1735.535 1736.993 1735.79 1736.66 I'd go for four , too . 1736.41 1736.66 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1736.454 1737.031 1736.65 1736.85 Yeah . 1736.85 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1736.72 1737.312 1736.91 1737.13 Yeah . 1737.13 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1741.296 1742.483 1741.39 1742.36 Is it functional ? 1742.36 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1742.688 1747.459 1742.71 1747.14 Is the design functional ? Um , do we have all functions that we want to include ? 1744.38 1744.94 1747.14 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1747.792 1748.554 1747.81 1748.47 Yes . 1748.47 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1748.081 1748.793 1748.13 1748.66 N Yeah . 1748.66 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1748.34 1753.323 1748.49 1753.2 I think we do . Do we have too many functions ? I don't think so . It's pretty slim . 1749.43 1751.51 1752.35 1753.2 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 1750.688 1751.569 1750.88 1751.31 No . 1751.31 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1751.232 1751.91 1751.27 1751.75 No . 1751.75 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1751.192 1751.788 1751.36 1751.58 No . 1751.58 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1752.825 1754.35 1752.87 1754.1 Think it's uh seven . 1754.1 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1755.616 1756.336 1755.64 1756.0 Seven . 1756.0 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1758.416 1760.171 1758.44 1759.9 Oh , and do we um 1758.66 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1761.904 1768.336 1762.01 1768.336 take care of the biggest frustrations of the remote control ? Like it getting lost and 1766.76 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1769.248 1770.48 1769.28 1770.45 Mm m - TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1769.582 1773.792 1769.83 1773.51 R_S_I_ influences ? Think we do . 1773.01 1773.51 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 1769.706 1771.604 1769.88 1771.47 Mm , we haven't thought of that one . 1770.11 1771.47 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1772.112 1775.248 1772.35 1775.14 It was . I had them worked out . 1773.73 1775.14 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1777.654 1782.832 1777.76 1782.76 Mm . They are ugly , not very functional , and getting lost . 1779.05 1780.07 1781.58 1782.76 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1785.113 1788.706 1785.13 1788.49 Are the production costs within the preset limits ? Well they are now . 1787.7 1788.49 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1785.107 1785.777 1785.3 1785.66 Yeah . 1785.66 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1789.485 1790.027 1789.64 1789.85 Yeah . 1789.85 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1794.909 1797.113 1794.99 1796.98 Does the design fit the group of focus ? 1796.98 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 1798.325 1800.189 1798.51 1800.14 I think that's a three . 1800.14 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1798.559 1800.776 1798.81 1800.54 Mm , th yeah . 1799.87 1800.54 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1799.744 1802.638 1799.744 1802.3 Yeah . I think it doesn't . 1801.38 1802.3 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1800.863 1804.992 1800.97 1804.96 No I think with our new radio button , I think it's uh 1803.86 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1802.573 1803.183 1802.71 1803.05 Yeah . 1803.05 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1805.52 1806.112 1805.61 1806.112 Uh - TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1805.88 1806.965 1806.01 1806.79 I think it's better . 1806.79 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1807.408 1809.617 1807.49 1809.617 We have to test it s But - TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1808.128 1809.045 1808.15 1808.79 I don't know . 1808.79 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 1809.175 1816.088 1809.175 1815.85 I still I think it's too m too fancy . Too too flashy . 1814.12 1815.85 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1810.743 1811.522 1810.91 1811.522 I think - TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1811.648 1812.287 1811.67 1812.287 I think it - TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1814.98 1820.607 1815.18 1820.34 I think a radio button is not exactly what older people expect to have a remote control . 1820.34 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1820.32 1821.821 1820.37 1821.51 Uh , yeah , true . 1820.45 1821.18 1821.51 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1821.696 1822.512 1821.73 1822.03 Yeah . 1822.03 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1823.804 1825.058 1823.91 1824.95 I would give it a four . 1824.95 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1829.76 1831.861 1829.89 1831.72 I'm not sure . I think I'd go for two . 1830.36 1831.72 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1832.064 1833.968 1832.16 1833.968 I go for three . So 1833.13 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1833.616 1836.56 1833.65 1836.56 Then we have to do the three . It's the 1835.43 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1835.364 1836.072 1835.63 1835.97 'Kay . 1835.97 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1843.246 1847.424 1843.52 1847.38 Is the company company recognisable ? Well , we have the logo there . 1846.32 1846.46 1847.38 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1845.792 1847.855 1845.83 1847.72 Yes it is . Yeah . 1847.37 1847.72 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1845.813 1846.744 1846.0 1846.59 Yeah yeah . 1846.59 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1848.636 1849.314 1848.82 1849.314 So - TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1852.262 1865.456 1852.46 1865.42 And they wanna put fashion in their products . Uh in the slogan of the company . And we have the removable front cases . So , I think it's very recognisable . Yep . 1856.57 1858.2 1862.5 1863.13 1865.26 1865.42 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1862.061 1862.671 1862.16 1862.36 Yeah . 1862.36 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1862.534 1863.178 1862.62 1862.91 Yeah . 1862.91 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1870.336 1871.611 1870.38 1871.39 So that will be this . 1871.39 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1875.392 1877.882 1875.47 1877.62 I was also supposed to calculate the score , but 1877.31 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1879.024 1883.577 1879.04 1883.53 thought we would have another private thingy after this . 1883.53 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1881.808 1883.288 1881.92 1883.02 We've got a calculate it . 1883.02 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1884.305 1885.056 1884.46 1884.65 Mm ? 1884.65 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 1885.144 1888.24 1885.3 1888.06 Twendag sieven an twendag . 1888.06 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1886.08 1888.289 1886.1 1888.289 Is this Like after this , are we done ? Or 1887.39 1887.85 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1888.976 1891.808 1889.13 1891.59 N We've gonna We're going to evaluate it . 1891.59 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1889.407 1891.102 1889.62 1891.0 We're gonna go to our other room again . 1891.0 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1892.513 1895.728 1892.54 1895.67 Well , anyhow . These are seven factors times seven is forty 1892.72 1893.35 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1896.954 1898.276 1897.09 1898.07 something . Two ? 1897.81 1898.07 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1899.021 1900.14 1899.26 1900.05 No . Nine ? 1899.7 1900.05 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1899.788 1901.686 1899.788 1901.59 Forty nine . 1901.59 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1902.242 1903.869 1902.45 1903.56 Uh , minus one . 1902.7 1903.56 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1906.852 1909.869 1906.99 1909.869 Minus three , minus four . 1908.15 1909.64 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1910.864 1911.744 1910.89 1911.57 Minus four . 1911.57 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1913.259 1915.055 1913.32 1914.99 So that would be minus eight . 1914.99 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1916.242 1918.581 1916.35 1918.34 Forty one out of forty nine . 1918.34 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1916.912 1917.536 1916.94 1917.5 Forty one . 1917.5 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1919.551 1920.466 1919.69 1920.466 That's - TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1925.613 1927.816 1925.88 1927.69 Around eighty percent . What is it ? 1927.23 1927.69 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1926.101 1926.881 1926.12 1926.66 Okay . 1926.66 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1928.16 1931.488 1928.57 1931.34 Guess I'll just type that in on the bottom here . 1931.34 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1934.494 1937.408 1934.62 1937.34 That's eighty four percent . 1937.34 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1942.799 1945.36 1942.99 1945.31 I think that's a pretty nice score . 1945.31 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1942.776 1943.745 1943.01 1943.61 Hmm . 1943.61 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 1945.547 1946.225 1945.66 1945.94 Yeah . 1945.94 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1945.816 1946.46 1945.96 1946.19 Yeah . 1946.19 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1957.392 1962.154 1957.45 1961.71 Hmm . 'Kay . So that will be the evaluation . 1959.15 1960.2 1961.71 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1961.888 1963.21 1961.99 1963.09 Okay . Thank you . 1962.64 1963.09 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1966.26 1967.074 1966.32 1966.9 So , 1966.9 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1968.227 1971.074 1968.33 1970.91 that brings us to the project evaluation . 1970.91 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1974.938 1975.413 1975.04 1975.23 Yep . 1975.23 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1976.187 1983.872 1976.29 1983.84 Thank you . Project process . Did we move through the right phases , you think ? Along the process ? 1978.03 1979.69 1981.53 1982.84 1983.84 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 1984.508 1985.491 1984.74 1985.27 Yes . 1985.27 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1985.696 1987.069 1985.74 1987.069 Yeah . But it 1986.55 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1986.736 1991.533 1986.76 1991.45 Think we should have a should have had the finance thingy a lot earlier . 1991.45 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1991.36 1991.712 1991.39 1991.61 Yeah . 1991.61 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1992.052 1992.797 1992.15 1992.6 That's right . 1992.6 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1993.392 1994.651 1993.41 1994.42 In the design phase . 1994.42 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 1995.2 1997.952 1995.22 1997.92 So lack of information about prices . 1997.92 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 1998.075 1998.787 1998.36 1998.58 Yeah . 1998.58 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 1998.135 2000.542 1998.53 2000.38 Yeah . That's true . 1999.91 2000.38 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 1998.493 1998.968 1998.6 1998.79 Yeah . 1998.79 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2000.064 2000.768 2000.08 2000.66 Definitely . 2000.66 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2000.72 2001.424 2000.83 2001.29 Okay . 2001.29 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2003.792 2004.848 2003.81 2004.848 Uh - TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2010.384 2014.656 2010.44 2014.62 Okay . Satisfaction . Was there room for creativity ? 2011.39 2013.27 2014.62 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2014.736 2015.383 2014.88 2015.09 No . 2015.09 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2016.368 2022.16 2016.368 2021.85 No ? It's because of the finance sheet . Yeah . 2019.97 2021.71 2021.85 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2017.383 2019.417 2017.63 2019.417 Not too much . No . 2018.4 2019.03 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2021.23 2021.942 2021.43 2021.8 Yeah . 2021.8 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 2021.702 2024.347 2021.82 2024.347 Yeah , there w there was enough room , but the finance uh 2022.06 2023.09 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2022.637 2023.824 2022.78 2023.824 Yeah , true . But 2023.04 2023.35 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2023.855 2025.414 2023.94 2025.19 The room was Yeah . 2025.19 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2024.138 2024.846 2024.39 2024.71 Yeah . 2024.71 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2029.84 2031.712 2029.86 2031.57 And I would've liked to go for the - TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2032.72 2034.24 2032.74 2034.2 younger users also . 2034.2 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2034.48 2034.848 2034.48 2034.848 . 2034.848 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2036.272 2038.488 2036.38 2038.33 And just to be able to access internet and - TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2039.936 2041.505 2040.02 2040.98 get something of your own . 2040.98 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2041.808 2042.341 2041.85 2042.0 Mm . 2042.0 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2044.12 2045.408 2044.16 2045.3 Restrictions . 2045.3 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2049.679 2051.136 2049.85 2050.93 Internet access . 2050.93 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2053.221 2063.056 2053.33 2062.93 'Kay . Leadership . Was it clear what everybody had to do uh according to their roles and functions ? 2055.1 2056.64 2062.93 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 2064.166 2064.911 2064.34 2064.83 Yes . 2064.83 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2064.336 2064.78 2064.36 2064.61 Yeah ? 2064.61 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2064.201 2064.699 2064.37 2064.58 Yeah . 2064.58 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2064.569 2065.247 2064.77 2065.0 Yeah . 2065.0 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2066.4 2072.882 2066.54 2072.81 Teamwork ? Did it work out ? Working together ? Also , you two of you with the uh last phase ? 2067.02 2068.19 2069.16 2069.91 2072.81 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2067.012 2067.72 2067.03 2067.72 So - TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 2071.284 2072.301 2071.49 2072.15 Yes , was okay . 2071.72 2072.15 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2072.095 2072.603 2072.22 2072.54 Yeah . 2072.54 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2074.475 2075.568 2074.65 2075.26 Nice . 2075.26 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 2080.928 2086.96 2081.14 2086.87 The tasks are very structured , so you can just do step by step and it's very easy . 2082.76 2086.87 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2085.472 2086.15 2085.52 2086.03 Mm-hmm . 2086.03 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2085.624 2086.369 2085.82 2086.15 Mm-hmm . 2086.15 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2089.232 2090.496 2089.232 2090.34 tasks . 2090.34 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2091.744 2092.267 2091.81 2092.15 Okay . 2092.15 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2093.555 2098.64 2093.63 2098.54 Were the means sufficient for the tasks uh we had to do ? Or were they too much ? 2096.65 2098.54 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 2099.001 2104.144 2099.5 2104.144 Well , the smart-board , the d d drawing is just a pain in the ass , but 2100.31 2101.54 2103.65 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2099.888 2101.031 2099.91 2100.49 Mm . 2100.49 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2105.344 2106.308 2105.36 2106.17 Smart-board . 2106.17 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 2105.171 2107.849 2105.51 2107.74 The digital the digital pen is very nice . 2107.74 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2107.472 2108.082 2107.64 2107.85 Yeah . 2107.85 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2108.704 2112.376 2108.72 2112.376 If it wants to download its uh data . 2112.27 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2109.0 2111.665 2109.12 2111.665 Yeah . Yeah . 2110.61 2111.21 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2109.014 2109.842 2109.31 2109.842 But - TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 2110.493 2111.374 2110.55 2111.25 Yes . Yeah . 2111.0 2111.25 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2111.035 2111.78 2111.2 2111.78 Uh - TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2117.766 2119.456 2117.93 2119.24 Failed download . 2119.24 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2123.528 2127.291 2123.84 2127.291 Smart-board was irritating . 2127.2 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2132.71 2138.778 2132.86 2138.62 So you rather wanted to have a flip-over ? Or something else ? 2136.63 2138.62 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 2137.769 2141.2 2138.11 2141.1 A flip-over or a more precise uh - TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2138.277 2140.345 2138.4 2140.345 Yeah . A flipper's uh easier , so 2138.65 2139.85 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2141.504 2142.052 2141.52 2141.78 Yeah . 2141.78 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2142.0 2142.537 2142.04 2142.32 Yeah . 2142.32 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2142.32 2144.71 2142.35 2144.54 Faster as well , I think . Yeah . 2143.26 2144.03 2144.54 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 2142.592 2143.786 2142.61 2143.61 digit Yes . 2143.61 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2148.948 2150.168 2149.52 2150.06 Flip-over . 2150.06 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2150.048 2173.624 2150.07 2173.624 But if you want to share uh of uh when you make um a picture like this uh on the presentation , it's easier to uh share it with uh other people . Uh so uh you can sh save it uh and uh put it on the internet , or uh uh in shared f uh folder or uh sh uh shared directory . So 2159.99 2163.02 2166.88 2173.21 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2163.922 2164.397 2164.01 2164.34 Yeah . 2164.34 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2172.624 2175.89 2172.64 2175.73 Yeah , I tried to open the file on my laptop , but 2172.8 2175.46 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2174.496 2176.669 2174.52 2176.44 So Yeah ? No ? 2176.18 2176.44 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 2175.648 2177.089 2175.74 2176.9 No . Didn't work . 2176.26 2176.9 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2176.72 2177.754 2176.72 2177.62 not possible . 2177.62 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2177.109 2181.248 2177.29 2181.18 Uh you need a smart board uh application I think . 2181.18 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2179.776 2180.33 2179.8 2180.13 Yeah . 2180.13 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2181.918 2185.85 2182.2 2185.71 T can uh can you export it uh like a Yeah . 2185.71 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2182.497 2187.632 2182.59 2187.6 But I think you can Yeah . Should be possible . Yeah you can export it as image . 2184.63 2186.06 2187.6 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2185.11 2185.957 2185.11 2185.78 no . 2185.78 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2188.531 2190.361 2188.65 2190.361 Must Yeah must be - TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2189.856 2191.212 2190.0 2190.96 Should've done that then . 2190.96 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2193.696 2197.005 2193.72 2196.74 So the sharing of the information was uh was okay ? 2196.74 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2194.014 2195.841 2194.014 2195.841 . 2195.841 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2197.984 2198.966 2198.12 2198.63 Pen is here . 2198.63 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 2198.56 2199.34 2198.64 2199.15 Yes . 2199.15 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2198.599 2201.446 2198.65 2201.41 Uh , network . Yeah , pen is here on the table . 2198.87 2199.74 2200.1 2201.41 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2198.766 2199.728 2198.93 2199.31 Uh . 2199.31 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2206.832 2209.145 2206.88 2208.95 Uh , yeah . 2208.46 2208.95 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2211.424 2213.488 2211.44 2213.488 So you can Uh - TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2212.544 2216.348 2212.56 2216.16 Yeah . It's possible . 2215.53 2216.16 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2215.34 2216.729 2215.46 2216.52 Mm . Yeah . 2216.27 2216.52 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2215.38 2216.386 2215.57 2216.19 It's possible . 2216.19 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2217.584 2218.212 2217.62 2217.97 Okay . 2217.97 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2218.864 2219.416 2218.91 2219.26 Okay . 2219.26 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2220.145 2223.888 2220.26 2223.83 That's nice . Have we found new ideas for 2221.6 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2225.331 2227.568 2225.51 2227.568 having this kind of meetings ? Or 2227.19 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2228.203 2238.992 2228.3 2238.992 Um , yeah maybe um uh when we n uh just uh give the numbers of of uh 2230.92 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2240.096 2255.648 2240.17 2255.648 Uh uh o one of uh out of s uh sev Um it's uh easier to uh to do the th things that are like that on a computer . Uh , so uh just l uh like uh at u university uh 2250.99 2251.04 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2243.153 2243.792 2243.3 2243.75 Yeah . 2243.75 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2250.848 2251.39 2250.87 2251.17 Yeah . 2251.17 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2252.976 2253.492 2253.0 2253.492 So - TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2256.011 2267.74 2256.09 2267.74 Yeah . So everybody puts his own score . And then it mediates the score , and you can get one Yeah . That's better . So that's uh 2256.82 2258.53 2261.58 2264.38 2266.29 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2256.72 2257.141 2256.74 2257.141 So - TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2256.823 2257.606 2257.05 2257.43 Mm-hmm . 2257.43 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2258.463 2259.039 2258.54 2258.98 Yeah . 2258.98 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2259.248 2259.977 2259.27 2259.89 Yeah . 2259.89 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2261.616 2262.124 2261.71 2262.08 Yeah . 2262.08 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 2263.248 2263.918 2263.41 2263.78 Yeah . 2263.78 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2268.976 2269.876 2269.02 2269.8 How do we call ? 2269.8 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2280.96 2282.209 2281.37 2281.97 Evaluation - TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2284.624 2285.768 2284.65 2285.49 criteria . 2285.49 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2294.683 2295.599 2294.79 2295.39 Okay . 2295.39 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2296.608 2301.968 2296.67 2301.87 Mm , any more ideas ? Or questions about the project ? Or about the product ? 2297.06 2298.75 2300.35 2301.87 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2304.48 2305.37 2304.52 2305.19 Mm . 2305.19 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2308.32 2310.416 2308.37 2310.27 Because I think - TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2314.752 2318.539 2315.0 2318.42 then that we get to our last sheet . 2318.42 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2320.96 2322.384 2320.98 2322.25 Are the costs within the budget ? 2322.25 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2323.344 2324.039 2323.41 2323.75 Mm yeah . 2323.75 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2324.256 2324.776 2324.36 2324.67 Yeah . 2324.67 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2324.816 2325.76 2324.9 2325.32 They are . 2325.32 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 2325.682 2330.288 2325.682 2330.23 Considering we are not going to make a docking station . 2330.23 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2326.37 2327.59 2326.48 2327.59 Do we - TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2330.016 2339.472 2330.05 2339.42 Docking station . That's a good point . But maybe because of the docking station the price of the remote can also be a little bit higher ? 2331.84 2333.23 2339.42 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2332.04 2332.599 2332.04 2332.599 . 2332.599 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2340.624 2341.392 2340.69 2341.05 Yeah . 2341.05 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2341.376 2344.72 2341.47 2344.59 Uh and I think you can compensate that as well . 2344.59 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 2341.332 2342.189 2341.57 2341.99 Perhaps . 2341.99 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2344.992 2345.392 2345.04 2345.31 Mm . 2345.31 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2345.84 2350.592 2345.86 2350.53 So I think that shouldn't be the biggest problem , because it's very cheap to make as well . 2348.06 2350.53 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 2350.816 2351.632 2350.92 2351.35 Mm-hmm . 2351.35 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2351.52 2352.031 2351.62 2351.98 Yeah . 2351.98 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2351.965 2370.0 2352.06 2369.96 Do we think we gonna get the twelve and a half million ? Or what was it ? Fifteen fifteen million . I think we will . If we gonna export this product . It's innovative . Especially in America . People are pretty decadent . 2355.36 2357.28 2360.02 2362.26 2364.22 2366.31 2367.96 2369.96 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2356.502 2357.96 2356.57 2357.67 Fifty grand . 2357.67 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2364.062 2364.841 2364.31 2364.58 Yeah . 2364.58 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2369.396 2370.832 2369.57 2370.66 Yeah . Mm . 2370.37 2370.66 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2371.118 2371.999 2371.18 2371.85 Sometimes . 2371.85 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2372.533 2376.6 2372.64 2376.26 Yeah , still I think I mean if we're n gonna make a scroll-button anyway 2372.88 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2373.067 2373.588 2373.13 2373.45 Yeah . 2373.45 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2377.92 2379.296 2378.12 2379.24 You can do more . 2379.24 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2378.0 2384.08 2378.12 2384.05 it'd be more for the younger people than for the older people . So maybe we should just re-focus . 2382.45 2384.05 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2381.824 2382.406 2381.84 2382.16 Yeah . 2382.16 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2381.694 2382.474 2381.92 2382.18 Ah . 2382.18 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2385.104 2409.646 2385.17 2409.6 Just put it on the market for everybody . You can you can change markets where by changing the front covers . That's one thing you can change it with . So you can also try to uh reach the younger people by uh putting fancy covers on on the market . Just as a test . See how it works . That's I think a good advantage . 2387.89 2394.22 2396.49 2404.92 2405.97 2407.8 2409.6 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2387.729 2388.326 2387.97 2388.0 Ah . 2388.0 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2387.628 2390.475 2387.97 2390.04 Or specifically for younger people . 2390.04 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2393.897 2394.474 2394.1 2394.28 Ah . 2394.28 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2394.86 2395.791 2395.02 2395.63 That's true . 2395.63 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2409.077 2417.632 2409.19 2417.58 Yeah , I think then it would be way more uh popular with younger people than it is , than would be with 2409.44 2416.73 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2419.2 2420.06 2419.22 2419.97 older people . 2419.97 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2420.336 2420.784 2420.39 2420.74 Yeah . 2420.74 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2421.517 2423.348 2421.63 2423.25 Even if it were their covers . 2423.25 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2423.565 2424.073 2423.72 2423.91 Hmm . 2423.91 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2423.584 2428.928 2423.84 2428.89 Uh , uh then I think we can have our little celebration , right now . 2425.47 2428.38 2428.89 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2425.423 2427.286 2425.58 2427.286 But - TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2429.856 2431.436 2429.856 2431.22 Party party . 2431.22 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2430.064 2439.136 2430.08 2439.07 That's it . Yeah . I think we still have to fit in one more questionnaire . I think . I don't know . I didn't get a message 2431.04 2432.0 2436.41 2437.27 2437.78 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2434.08 2435.296 2434.1 2434.97 Where's the champagne ? 2434.97 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2435.28 2435.809 2435.3 2435.57 'Kay . 2435.57 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2440.288 2448.656 2440.31 2448.57 from the from ending of the Oh I think I have one now . Five more minutes ? Oh that's nice . 2446.45 2447.66 2448.57 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2443.793 2444.98 2443.97 2444.98 Uh , I believe y uh 2444.11 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2444.622 2445.402 2444.79 2445.22 Oh you did . 2445.22 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2447.997 2448.675 2448.15 2448.51 Okay . 2448.51 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2451.376 2462.56 2451.41 2462.56 Then we still have some questions . If somebody has some questions they can ask them now . Or we can put these in the project folder as well . Maybe that's 2454.41 2457.77 2461.88 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2461.728 2462.403 2461.76 2462.09 Mm-hmm . 2462.09 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2462.104 2462.88 2462.55 2462.76 Yeah . 2462.76 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2478.189 2481.477 2478.33 2481.37 Export as picture , I think . 2480.85 2481.37 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2482.08 2482.734 2482.15 2482.63 Yeah . 2482.63 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2482.336 2482.981 2482.47 2482.76 Yeah . 2482.76 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2496.626 2500.016 2496.69 2499.96 Hmm . This is another network , I guess . 2497.84 2499.41 2499.96 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2509.304 2514.558 2509.42 2514.5 Does somebody see the project folder ? I don't . 2513.8 2514.5 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2517.216 2517.745 2517.24 2517.52 Hmm . 2517.52 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2520.694 2521.92 2520.84 2521.82 My Documents . 2521.82 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2527.168 2529.548 2527.21 2529.548 Uh maybe uh they will save it . So uh 2528.75 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2529.266 2533.856 2529.39 2533.74 Yeah , I'll just put it in My Documents and uh That's okay . 2529.92 2533.74 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2530.084 2531.191 2530.18 2531.06 Yeah , it probably will . 2530.39 2531.06 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2541.776 2543.13 2542.04 2542.89 Okay . 2542.89 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2546.384 2550.791 2546.384 2550.73 I think I'm going to make our final presentation now . 2550.73 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2551.408 2555.152 2551.48 2555.152 Oh yeah , you're supposed to make a final 2551.79 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2552.384 2560.0 2552.384 2559.95 And then I will be back in about ten minutes to show you the final presentation . 2559.95 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2560.016 2560.828 2560.07 2560.74 Okay . 2560.74 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 2560.56 2561.483 2560.67 2561.44 Okay . 2561.44 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2561.36 2563.072 2561.45 2562.92 Summary of the project . 2562.92 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2564.192 2567.321 2564.21 2566.88 Are we supposed to go into our own rooms again ? 2566.88 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2566.864 2570.447 2567.01 2570.447 Uh maybe we have to fill uh another questionnaire . So uh 2569.86 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2568.96 2579.77 2568.98 2579.69 Yeah . Questionnaire . I think you all get a questionnaire in in your room . And then I'll meet you in I think about ten minutes , or something . Okay . Thank you . 2569.79 2570.26 2574.55 2578.03 2578.68 2579.11 2579.69 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2570.558 2571.191 2570.62 2571.02 Yeah . 2571.02 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2571.539 2572.023 2571.69 2571.98 Yeah . 2571.98 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2573.104 2574.371 2573.21 2574.371 Yeah . 2574.09 TS3003d C MTD0010ID 2 2577.622 2578.503 2577.85 2578.35 Okay . 2578.35 TS3003d B MTD011UID 1 2577.904 2578.887 2578.16 2578.81 Okay . 2578.81 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2583.499 2586.88 2583.63 2586.76 Hopefully my pen will download its software . 2586.76 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2586.601 2587.712 2586.601 2587.42 Yeah . 2587.42 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2587.193 2587.492 2587.24 2587.39 Oh . 2587.39 TS3003d A MTD009PM 0 2587.968 2589.058 2587.99 2588.69 Or data . 2588.69 TS3003d D MTD012ME 3 2590.499 2591.889 2590.7 2591.56 That'd be nice . 2591.56 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 6.08 6.416 6.2 6.33 Two . 6.33 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 11.328 13.345 11.328 13.12 Good morning . 13.12 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 11.562 12.981 11.63 12.86 Hello . Hello . 12.47 12.86 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 12.797 13.63 12.97 13.56 Hello . 13.56 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 16.288 16.716 16.36 16.64 Ah . 16.64 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 18.112 20.8 18.13 20.67 You have to put it exactly on the on the yeah . 20.67 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 19.809 22.174 19.97 22.174 Plate ? 22.08 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 21.056 21.697 21.2 21.5 Okay . 21.5 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 22.592 23.696 22.84 23.66 Good morning . 23.66 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 23.952 25.089 23.97 24.88 Good morning . 24.88 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 32.48 39.245 32.52 39.07 I took your mouse . Yeah just yeah , no , that's for me , I just have to make some notes . I got my uh mouse . 33.88 35.42 35.66 36.14 37.55 39.07 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 32.331 35.392 32.7 35.392 Should I bring my uh pen too ? Or 35.12 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 37.088 38.004 37.088 37.81 Okay . 37.81 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 39.947 43.885 40.16 43.48 Uh I also forgot my mouse , but I don't need my mouse , I think . 41.81 43.11 43.48 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 40.733 41.364 40.96 41.29 Mouse . 41.29 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 41.796 46.39 41.796 46.2 yeah . 46.2 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 44.48 45.531 44.8 45.24 I do . 45.24 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 48.023 50.208 48.22 50.17 Come on . There we are . 49.66 50.17 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 58.493 60.704 58.63 60.45 My laptop is crashing . 60.45 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 62.714 64.977 62.77 64.977 Damn computers . 64.84 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 63.549 65.6 63.549 65.38 Cr - TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 74.848 76.126 74.95 75.97 Help help help . 75.97 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 77.65 79.6 77.7 79.42 Let's just check one more time . 79.42 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 80.912 81.696 81.29 81.58 Mm . 81.58 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 82.704 86.318 82.8 86.12 Can you hear me ? Hello ? Test . I dunno . 83.57 84.1 85.61 86.12 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 84.208 86.944 84.23 86.89 Uh actually my laptop doesn't work , switch it on again . 86.04 86.89 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 91.616 94.864 91.64 94.54 Check . Okay . I think it works . 92.47 93.62 94.54 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 92.096 92.64 92.12 92.53 Oh no . 92.53 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 96.895 99.352 97.01 99.31 Test test . Yes , it's working . 98.08 98.75 99.31 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 106.567 110.203 106.59 110.07 So you all read what we are going to do or not ? Okay . 109.52 110.07 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 108.896 111.648 108.99 111.61 Mm-hmm . We're gonna make a remote control . 109.83 111.61 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 109.728 110.096 109.75 110.06 Yeah . 110.06 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 111.853 112.804 111.99 112.59 Yeah , that's right . 112.16 112.59 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 112.255 114.123 112.35 114.06 I think my laptop is a bit - TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 118.304 119.426 118.32 118.79 etchy . 118.79 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 119.648 123.056 119.85 122.98 I just made a a simple uh presentation . 122.98 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 127.232 128.912 127.27 128.78 So you put some things in it . 128.78 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 131.312 131.856 131.41 131.8 Okay . 131.8 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 140.629 142.657 140.74 142.657 How does this work ? I dunno . 141.52 142.45 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 143.673 147.798 143.79 147.65 One uh most to the right . Yes that one . Yes . 145.52 147.32 147.65 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 144.64 145.147 144.73 144.99 Uh p - TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 146.544 146.992 146.56 146.94 This one ? 146.94 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 147.283 148.736 147.36 148.67 Press F_ eleven . 148.67 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 148.848 163.375 148.87 163.28 Ah cool . Okay . So that's my name , . Uh we're going to make uh a remote control , you already know that . Just have a look , are we going to uh this agenda of our meeting . You know , this is about twenty five minutes , this meeting . 149.88 150.88 152.6 152.6 155.04 156.77 157.36 160.54 160.76 162.72 163.28 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 165.232 201.726 165.37 201.45 So um the thing we have to know is you already know what we're going to do , you also read what this the things or , not yet , okay . So um , yeah , it has to be original , trendy , user-friendly that's what we're going to design . Uh first we have uh uh three steps of uh making the the remote control . Fir the first thing is th the functional design , that's very important . We have to look what the needs are , the effects of the functional design , and and how the mm the the remote control works , so that's where we're going to look in the functional design , it's for the f next meeting . 169.83 172.61 172.99 173.82 175.65 175.79 176.59 176.94 179.89 185.02 188.87 189.84 191.39 193.73 197.82 200.07 201.45 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 172.368 172.769 172.44 172.73 Yes . 172.73 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 201.726 238.48 202.24 238.42 The the second thing is the conceptual design , that's what it that's uh the spe the specifications of the components and the properties and the specifications of the user interface . And we have to look what uh the market is doing for what kind of uh remote controls are in the market . And the third thing is uh the detailed design um and that's exa yeah , you know what it is , it's exactly how it looks and whatever . Okay so uh no , this is a these are two smartboards , with the uh f uh s an introduction of that one . 205.42 213.91 221.04 226.88 227.67 231.72 233.04 234.9 238.42 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 240.416 248.192 240.48 248.14 And you already saw you know all that that you here can put uh things in the the red project uh map . Folder , okay . 247.0 247.84 248.14 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 246.16 246.965 246.18 246.82 Folder , yes . 246.54 246.82 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 252.95 254.976 252.97 254.83 So no okay have a look at that one . 254.83 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 256.929 257.459 257.02 257.34 Okay . 257.34 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 258.932 264.747 258.98 264.68 So uh what we're going to do first is um - TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 266.08 285.072 266.1 284.97 so you can read . You have to uh draw uh a favourite animal on the whiteboard and um and say why it's your favourite animal . So and you have this is just to try it out and we have to uh use a different pen colours and different thickness of the pen . 267.57 276.95 284.97 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 286.464 291.792 286.48 291.71 So okay , so first have to show you , maybe you can come here to have a look how it works . 287.05 288.96 291.71 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 294.242 302.8 294.32 302.69 Yes ? Okay . This a new page , it's okay . Use pen format . 295.15 296.53 297.53 299.72 302.69 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 294.288 295.5 294.46 295.46 Ah I can see it now . 295.46 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 294.586 295.088 294.74 295.05 Yeah . 295.05 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 304.729 308.399 304.79 308.36 and a different colour can use here no I just take the pink . 308.36 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 311.151 326.224 311.25 326.07 You take oh there's no pink , okay , oh just purple , okay . No blue . And uh line width ten . Okay uh just take what I'm going to draw is an elephant . 313.82 314.31 315.63 316.8 317.8 320.89 326.07 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 314.372 314.832 314.41 314.78 Purple . 314.78 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 327.664 330.336 327.7 330.3 Just draw slowly , because otherwise it won't work . 328.79 330.3 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 336.32 337.072 336.38 337.02 It's a very - TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 338.16 339.488 338.18 339.44 nice elephant , you can see . 339.0 339.44 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 344.144 346.525 344.16 346.525 I dunno what it looks but it doesn't matter . 346.4 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 348.56 349.536 348.6 349.5 Looks very nice . 349.5 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 350.368 351.408 350.39 351.29 I just h - TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 352.416 354.461 352.44 354.461 Something like this ? Oh no 353.36 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 353.893 359.504 353.893 359.504 It look like a dinosaurs . 359.28 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 355.456 358.976 355.48 358.9 Yeah , okay . Because I like uh okay . 355.77 357.07 358.9 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 359.598 360.816 359.68 360.74 A pink elephant . 360.74 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 368.736 371.072 368.77 371.04 Just takes so long , okay . Whatever , just . 369.5 370.21 370.66 371.04 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 372.784 373.936 372.82 373.7 You erased this one . 373.7 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 376.224 379.312 376.31 379.28 It's a bit slow you can see , this is a bit annoying . 377.34 379.28 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 380.24 380.752 380.26 380.71 Okay . 380.71 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 384.614 386.566 384.72 386.53 Okay , so just 385.24 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 387.712 390.64 387.73 390.52 for you guys just one of you can draw a painting if you want . 390.52 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 391.48 392.498 391.54 392.42 Let me try one . 392.42 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 391.606 395.904 391.69 395.82 Just don't um yeah , just u use it like that , yeah . That's okay . 393.49 395.31 395.43 395.82 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 396.288 397.089 396.43 396.96 Okay . 396.96 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 403.44 408.4 403.47 408.4 Mm . Okay and then uh what's the colour ? How do I do 405.69 407.74 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 408.224 409.088 408.25 409.02 It's in format . 409.02 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 410.848 411.216 410.91 411.03 Yeah . 411.03 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 413.504 413.808 413.52 413.77 Ah . 413.77 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 416.352 417.888 416.42 417.85 I'll take this one . 417.85 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 424.802 428.048 424.9 428.048 Uh there has to be water , but 427.04 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 425.829 426.174 425.88 426.174 Just - TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 427.921 433.984 427.99 433.94 No it has to be an animal , so if that's it's it should be a shna snake or something . Okay . Okay okay . Okay . 429.34 432.02 432.4 433.6 433.94 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 429.853 436.128 429.93 436.09 Yeah yeah , but it's an animal it's an animal that lives in the water . So I first uh draw the water . 430.66 433.99 436.09 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 432.624 435.233 432.624 435.15 Okay . 435.15 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 432.7 438.89 432.7 438.89 The water is important . 438.7 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 437.264 440.864 437.65 440.77 Uh . Okay , and now 439.5 440.19 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 445.008 446.144 445.04 446.02 I make the animal . 446.02 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 455.877 456.96 455.94 456.79 It's a fish . 456.79 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 457.184 458.224 457.184 458.18 Wow . 458.18 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 457.188 458.055 457.27 458.01 Okay , cool . 457.69 458.01 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 464.032 464.512 464.06 464.45 Mm-hmm . 464.45 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 472.252 472.74 472.42 472.69 So . 472.69 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 474.819 478.56 474.819 478.56 Um - TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 484.992 485.936 485.02 485.88 This is a worm . 485.88 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 489.059 490.336 489.14 490.3 Hmm yeah , that's nice . 489.77 490.3 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 489.375 491.392 489.375 491.27 Wow . 491.27 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 490.496 493.358 490.496 493.358 Okay , who next ? Uh 491.83 492.78 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 492.688 501.248 492.71 501.11 Uh do you have to write down why uh that doesn't matter , just it's to get used to the whiteboard , but it's okay . Just make a new blank new blank page . 495.08 497.31 498.8 501.11 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 498.032 498.848 498.06 498.63 Okay . 498.63 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 517.846 518.096 517.92 518.03 Yeah . 518.03 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 521.037 523.568 521.12 523.568 Well Paul ? 523.25 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 521.918 524.592 522.02 524.56 Yeah . Like this ? 524.16 524.56 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 525.216 528.034 525.4 527.91 Yeah , not too far to the to the t pen top . 525.57 527.91 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 527.792 529.728 527.84 529.54 Okay . Um 528.96 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 536.096 537.312 536.17 537.13 let's make it - TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 541.6 542.208 541.64 542.12 um - TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 544.576 545.342 544.64 545.21 a dog . 545.21 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 556.695 557.175 556.8 557.05 Ooh . 557.05 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 568.71 572.368 568.78 572.33 Maybe you should hold your pen a bit more to the back , so that no , to the yeah . 570.98 571.7 572.33 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 574.674 575.824 574.74 575.72 I think it's a pig . 575.72 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 574.725 575.328 574.8 575.24 Ah okay . 575.24 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 576.768 577.264 576.79 577.13 A pig ? 577.13 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 578.253 580.205 578.34 579.87 I can make a dog . 579.87 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 578.336 582.434 578.36 582.434 No , it's a dog . 578.48 582.38 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 578.383 579.104 578.47 579.04 Or a dog . 579.04 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 581.312 583.968 581.312 583.968 Um - TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 581.924 582.704 582.08 582.58 A sheep ? 582.58 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 586.648 590.06 586.79 590.06 Uh we d only have twenty five minutes , so . 588.55 589.99 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 588.816 591.936 588.816 591.41 Take it easy . 591.41 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 591.773 593.008 591.87 592.97 'Kay , I make a cat of it . 592.09 592.97 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 596.369 598.016 596.43 597.95 I I was gonna make a cat too . 597.95 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 599.504 601.2 599.52 601.2 Use your fantasy . 600.93 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 601.859 603.296 601.98 603.23 Oh , not too quick . 602.49 603.23 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 604.89 608.144 604.97 608.08 Just hold it more more to the back then you don't have okay . 608.08 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 607.216 607.824 607.24 607.72 No I have it . 607.72 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 609.632 611.12 609.66 611.08 I just draw too quick I think . 611.08 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 612.592 613.696 612.62 613.62 Okay , that's it . 613.14 613.62 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 615.632 616.032 615.65 615.96 More . 615.96 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 616.688 618.24 616.71 618.24 No , that's okay , thank you . 616.95 617.52 617.85 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 619.482 621.09 619.7 620.89 It's just to get used to it . 620.89 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 621.849 622.64 621.92 622.59 Okay . 622.59 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 640.176 649.712 640.24 649.712 I thought these pens would be just um uh you write it down and you download it to Word , you already did it or no ? No , not yet , okay . But it's just 645.47 647.08 647.36 647.93 648.79 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 646.928 647.628 646.95 647.55 No . 647.55 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 647.637 654.049 647.72 653.62 Yeah , that's right , it but you actually got to write on the paper . You really got to write on that paper . 648.16 648.62 652.04 653.62 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 651.527 651.888 651.56 651.85 Sorry ? 651.85 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 653.184 664.752 653.2 664.49 Yeah , I know , but I d I I thought it would be just in in in uh typed words in Word , so that's not just it's just a picture . So it's not that cool as I th thought it would be . 653.38 653.66 658.18 661.54 664.49 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 653.631 654.86 653.68 654.71 Yeah yeah , it's a real pen . 654.05 654.71 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 657.706 659.708 657.79 659.47 Yeah , but it's just a picture . 658.3 659.47 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 661.088 661.6 661.11 661.52 Oh . 661.52 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 662.486 663.471 662.54 663.471 You really - TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 662.611 666.482 662.63 666.42 Y you can you can't edit in the edit it in Word . 666.42 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 666.24 666.56 666.26 666.48 No . 666.48 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 666.446 666.848 666.52 666.8 No . 666.8 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 667.664 670.052 668.11 669.81 Oh , okay . 669.26 669.81 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 685.359 686.63 685.42 686.54 It's a donkey . 686.54 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 693.984 696.608 694.07 696.55 I don't know , what time did we start this meeting , I'm not sure . 694.38 695.78 696.55 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 696.944 698.384 697.05 698.384 Uh I think it was uh - TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 698.768 699.36 698.8 699.33 Half past . 699.33 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 699.728 700.64 699.9 700.6 Half past ten . 700.6 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 700.629 701.258 700.88 701.02 Yeah . 701.02 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 701.616 702.032 701.65 701.94 Okay . 701.94 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 709.746 710.4 709.8 710.35 Brilliant . 710.35 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 710.582 711.693 710.7 711.49 Okay , perfect . 710.99 711.49 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 710.773 712.496 710.94 712.496 Nice , eh ? 711.31 712.41 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 711.568 712.08 711.59 711.88 Yep . 711.88 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 714.528 718.032 714.66 718.032 Yeah , thank you . Now we just have to save everything , so . 714.83 715.25 716.95 717.79 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 730.432 734.0 730.432 733.96 Oh this is definitely the best one . 733.96 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 733.968 734.576 734.04 734.36 Uh . 734.36 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 735.344 736.288 735.36 736.25 Okay , so 735.69 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 738.793 744.961 738.92 744.92 uh what we know is that we have to sell this uh remote control for about twenty five Euros . 744.92 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 746.512 747.024 746.53 746.98 Excuse me . 746.98 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 746.688 753.084 746.77 752.99 Okay , that's . And uh we have to make a profit of fifty million Euros , so we have to uh use a big market in Europe . 747.13 747.92 750.34 752.99 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 754.016 754.68 754.04 754.63 Piece of cake . 754.63 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 754.352 756.864 754.37 756.78 The production cost are about half the price of selling price , sorry . 756.44 756.78 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 756.944 757.792 757.01 757.76 Uh easy . 757.76 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 758.112 760.048 758.13 759.91 So can someone make a - TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 761.36 778.928 761.41 778.46 a calculation about how many we have to sell of these to make fifty million , I dunno . Uh so we're gonna have a little discussion about um what experience are with a remote control the and everything , so just have a look how it we think about remote controls . 765.1 766.61 774.98 778.46 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 778.941 784.4 779.04 784.35 Yeah , my first question was does it have to be a a universal remote control ? 779.32 784.35 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 784.192 786.192 784.51 785.97 Oh yeah , that's a good question . 784.85 785.97 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 786.336 794.864 786.41 794.78 Because we sell it uh uh uh lonely from the t and not with the television , we sell it uh apart . 793.71 794.78 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 795.825 799.451 795.89 799.451 I think it's I'm not I'm not sure , it's not mm I think 797.71 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 796.63 797.766 796.88 797.766 So I - TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 798.245 801.6 798.37 800.96 Yeah , it probably would be universal . 798.65 800.96 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 800.137 804.864 800.24 804.83 Universal . And only television ? Or more devices ? 801.74 803.85 804.83 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 800.384 801.02 800.4 801.02 Because - TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 804.72 811.344 804.74 811.344 I don't think you can buy a a a universal uh remote control for twenty five Euros , so not sure , but 809.76 811.12 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 811.856 813.196 811.88 813.06 Hmm , maybe , I don't know . 812.16 812.62 813.06 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 812.08 818.106 812.16 817.99 Yeah , I know uh you can buy a re a universal uh control for uh only twenty uh Euros 812.5 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 815.92 820.4 815.94 820.37 Okay , so we we just say we just say that's universal remote control . Okay , perfect . 816.22 819.57 819.99 820.37 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 818.935 819.919 818.99 819.81 Yeah , I think . 819.32 819.81 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 819.187 819.877 819.31 819.82 Ah okay . 819.82 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 821.274 827.92 821.38 827.86 And uh also for the V_C_R_ and uh D_V_D_ player and okay . 827.86 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 826.32 831.52 826.34 830.97 Yeah , everything just so a lot of buttons on the remote control . 826.48 830.97 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 830.267 832.192 830.267 832.15 Yeah , probably . 831.66 832.15 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 832.013 833.248 832.14 833.17 Not just a T_V_ . 833.17 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 833.552 834.464 833.57 834.42 No , just everything . 833.84 834.42 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 834.608 835.12 834.67 835.06 Okay . 835.06 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 835.552 845.888 835.552 845.85 . so yeah , what what what's a remote control , it's just a black thing with some buttons on it , it's not nothing very special , but um yeah , that's right . 835.552 837.55 838.93 840.9 843.23 845.45 845.85 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 835.76 836.448 835.78 836.4 Okay . 836.4 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 843.923 845.64 844.0 845.51 Well we can try to make it special . 845.51 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 847.088 852.208 847.11 852.208 So do you have any ideas how it has to look for for usability or user - TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 850.901 851.692 850.99 851.692 Well - TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 851.002 870.24 851.04 870.14 Well I th I thought about um making it the same uh style as the television , we don't have uh the same television uh all the time , so uh that's no matter . Um if we uh control the V_C_R_ and the D_V_D_ player player with it 856.57 859.63 862.61 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 872.016 883.58 872.1 883.52 uh it has to be clear , because uh kids and uh elderly are gonna use it , so uh it's not only for the uh technical persons . 874.6 879.07 883.52 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 886.336 887.152 886.49 887.12 Um - TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 889.872 901.616 889.89 901.58 I think it must be a very good control , so you can uh uh uh act uh use it from uh everywhere in your room , the the infrared uh thing must be from very good quality . 891.83 897.69 901.58 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 898.466 899.12 898.53 899.08 Hmm yeah . 899.08 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 904.176 906.048 904.21 906.01 That's right . Should be a good point . 905.19 906.01 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 906.55 908.752 906.72 908.752 Yeah . Nothing 907.24 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 906.608 907.152 906.74 907.12 Okay . 907.12 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 909.856 911.456 909.92 911.14 And how big should it be ? 911.14 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 910.04 910.734 910.18 910.42 N - TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 910.414 914.72 910.58 914.72 No . Yeah . I dunno um 912.35 913.21 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 916.416 922.128 916.59 922.07 It shouldn't be too big , but I don't think we can make it too small , 'cause it has to have a lot of functions , so . 917.69 919.99 921.91 922.07 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 922.432 922.704 922.45 922.67 Yeah . 922.67 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 924.39 927.888 924.43 927.85 We can't make it smaller than the things we see now I think . 927.85 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 928.752 931.728 928.77 931.68 Just big enough for the buttons we have , that's that's it . 930.51 931.68 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 930.608 933.104 930.63 933.05 Yeah . Or we have to make something uh 931.2 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 934.64 943.44 934.66 943.38 like uh mobile phones that you can uh fold it opem . Maybe then you can make it s smaller and uniquer , 940.48 943.38 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 938.718 940.096 938.86 940.06 Yeah . Yeah . 939.83 940.06 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 944.368 944.96 944.4 944.93 Yes - TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 945.312 946.48 945.56 946.43 maybe more trendy . 946.43 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 947.185 956.703 947.24 956.59 But you you you you think about uh uh one you can fold open . Okay , yeah , that's cool . Maybe for the D_V_D_ pla player or something , if you just okay . 951.35 951.96 952.3 953.42 955.65 956.59 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 950.56 954.104 950.6 954.104 Fold open , where you can see uh more options . I think 951.34 953.3 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 952.99 954.235 953.08 954.235 Ah that's that's - TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 953.278 954.262 953.4 954.12 Yeah n - TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 955.307 965.392 955.42 965.34 Yeah , something uh on top , just dren general things like volume and T_V_ channels and inside things you don't use that often . 955.73 957.54 965.34 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 955.795 958.328 956.28 958.1 Ah right right . 958.1 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 956.928 957.801 956.95 957.53 Yeah , or you c 957.09 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 965.312 965.6 965.38 965.56 Yeah . 965.56 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 965.568 967.003 965.69 966.92 Oh that's good , yeah . 966.5 966.92 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 965.738 971.744 965.79 971.51 O or you could th think of an uh uh a small touch screen on the remote control . 971.51 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 971.744 973.456 971.76 973.456 Yeah b I wanted - TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 972.064 973.098 972.13 972.86 Yeah . 972.86 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 973.424 977.019 973.44 976.98 Why should you use a touchscreen on a remote control ? There are buttons on it . 976.08 976.98 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 974.703 978.7 974.703 978.7 Uh maybe be uh it's it's - TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 977.936 980.272 977.96 980.11 No you can make an uh manual in it . 980.11 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 981.184 986.48 981.49 986.45 Yeah , or um maybe to keep it uh easy and uh small . 981.74 986.45 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 987.136 987.568 987.23 987.53 Okay . 987.53 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 988.496 989.155 988.52 989.03 Yeah , but 988.8 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 988.594 991.51 988.65 991.26 But it's not t t t too expensive to put a touchscreen on it . 991.26 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 988.76 993.147 988.88 992.93 But that's Yeah , I think it's much uh too expensive . 990.67 992.93 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 988.63 992.288 988.97 992.19 Uh like a a to have Yeah , maybe it would . 991.41 992.19 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 990.537 1007.424 990.78 1007.3 Yeah but it's not reachable I think , touch screen . And we have to care for uh the strength of the remote control , because uh uh remote controls are most uh things in the house that falls down on the ground and it get often uh broken . 993.98 995.89 999.57 1007.3 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 999.552 999.84 999.57 999.81 Yeah . 999.81 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 1005.12 1012.256 1005.2 1012.17 Yeah . So . And if you have a touch screen in it , it's definitely too too fragile uh fragile . 1006.06 1007.61 1009.23 1012.17 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 1010.304 1011.488 1010.38 1011.42 Yeah , too fragile . 1010.72 1011.42 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 1010.64 1016.496 1010.67 1016.496 Yeah and a lots uh uh lots of kids use it and touchscreen is not uh kids uh - TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 1014.8 1015.04 1014.83 1014.98 No . 1014.98 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 1016.608 1020.078 1016.63 1020.078 You can put games on your remote control . Whatever . 1019.25 1020.02 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 1016.719 1017.91 1017.1 1017.73 Kid-proof . 1017.73 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 1018.688 1020.784 1018.688 1020.66 Yeah . 1020.66 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 1019.04 1028.878 1019.04 1028.878 And uh how about the batteries ? Uh should you put it in a recharger or a just 1024.1 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 1020.891 1022.111 1020.99 1022.111 Um - TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 1027.755 1033.343 1027.87 1033.14 Oh maybe that's a good idea , just to put it on your television and just s recharge , you never have to use any batteries . 1028.82 1031.2 1033.14 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 1027.823 1029.96 1027.98 1029.85 Ma maybe a home station . 1029.85 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 1029.327 1030.026 1029.51 1029.9 Yeah . 1029.9 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 1030.906 1032.076 1031.21 1031.89 Mm yeah . 1031.89 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 1032.458 1036.119 1032.55 1036.04 Maybe that's a good idea , but yeah , we have to look at the price now I think . 1033.44 1034.41 1036.04 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 1036.583 1039.895 1036.66 1039.79 Yeah , how m how mu how how expensive uh is a normal recharger ? 1036.8 1039.79 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 1036.77 1037.508 1036.93 1037.35 Yeah . 1037.35 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 1037.872 1038.822 1037.89 1038.78 Yeah , I dunno . 1038.31 1038.78 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 1039.112 1044.557 1039.16 1044.46 Well uh how much is your uh standards uh mobile phone recharger ? 1044.46 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 1045.008 1045.472 1045.05 1045.44 I dunno . 1045.44 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 1045.424 1055.737 1046.08 1055.23 Yeah , if you buy it uh separately from your phone it's probably expensive , but I don't know what the project uh projection costs are for such a thing . 1046.37 1050.63 1055.23 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 1048.398 1049.164 1048.5 1048.95 Ah yeah . 1048.95 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 1053.12 1054.825 1053.19 1054.825 Maybe have uh - TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 1054.784 1060.496 1054.86 1060.43 Uh if you th look at the market , it's probably it's still the best way just to put batteries in it , because maybe it's too expensive . 1056.22 1059.32 1060.43 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 1059.641 1061.374 1059.7 1061.374 Yeah , 'cause well 1060.48 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 1060.499 1061.197 1060.69 1061.1 Yeah . 1061.1 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 1060.811 1073.408 1060.99 1073.408 Yeah , but a home station is uh a really good idea , because uh lots of people are uh lose their remote control and don't know where it is , and now you can put it always at the same place . Maybe it's 1061.47 1064.91 1069.98 1072.7 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 1070.137 1071.736 1070.2 1071.63 Yeah , that's right , yeah . 1070.66 1071.44 1071.63 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 1071.297 1072.035 1071.6 1071.8 Yeah . 1071.8 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 1072.544 1072.768 1072.56 1072.73 Yeah . 1072.73 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 1074.592 1077.344 1074.62 1077.28 Therefore it's a good idea , but maybe it's expensive . 1075.76 1077.28 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 1078.016 1082.32 1078.09 1082.28 Maybe uh use it as a separate option . Sell it uh separately . 1081.13 1082.28 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 1080.528 1080.976 1080.59 1080.93 Yeah . 1080.93 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 1081.984 1083.972 1082.0 1083.9 You can yeah , you can buy it with it . 1082.81 1083.9 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 1083.336 1088.24 1083.55 1088.24 Yeah , but I have a mouse that's uh uh also uh 1084.12 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 1088.56 1089.312 1088.59 1089.25 Rechargeable . 1089.25 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 1089.328 1097.344 1089.35 1097.28 Yeah , and and you just have normal batteries that you can recharge and just put it in the station , or you can change your batteries , so . 1090.02 1094.99 1096.99 1097.28 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 1093.705 1094.064 1093.78 1094.0 Yeah . 1094.0 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 1096.208 1096.688 1096.25 1096.6 Oh yeah . 1096.6 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 1097.536 1099.344 1097.56 1099.31 The option , just the option , that's cool . 1098.06 1098.89 1099.31 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 1098.72 1099.366 1098.91 1099.2 Yeah . 1099.2 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 1099.376 1114.528 1099.49 1114.528 Uh I I set something on paper already , size , looks , uh usable , uh the buttons on usable places , uh the the on off button must be on top , uh it has to lay good in the hand , you you have to uh 1102.55 1103.11 1103.88 1105.06 1107.07 1110.72 1112.99 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 1109.952 1110.288 1109.97 1110.22 Yeah . 1110.22 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 1111.149 1111.906 1111.38 1111.79 Yeah . 1111.79 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 1114.381 1122.224 1114.49 1122.224 Has it be has does it has to b have to be um uh like a different form than a normal remote control or - TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 1119.888 1122.96 1120.16 1122.96 Yeah , I don't I don't know I don't know if we 1120.45 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 1122.203 1128.935 1122.26 1128.935 Well I think we have to look at that , 'cause well you can do the standard way , but then you won't 1123.83 1127.54 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 1128.019 1134.524 1128.1 1134.524 You can make it very special , to create our own um looks , but it's very hard to 1129.95 1132.79 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 1130.832 1131.136 1130.86 1131.1 Yeah - TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 1133.92 1140.304 1134.01 1140.22 N uh if if we want to make it special , we probably have to do a lot of testing , if it really works . 1135.89 1138.71 1140.22 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 1140.464 1141.082 1140.48 1140.98 Nah . 1140.98 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 1140.517 1142.24 1140.63 1142.2 Well you can um - TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 1143.232 1174.368 1143.25 1174.3 have uh the basic things on the same place , like on off button on top and the T_V_ channels one two three four as a block , and then the volume uh obviously on t on top , so you can see . But the rest is uh you don't use that often , so if you have a clear button with an good icon on it , it should be clear as well . So it doesn't matter what place it is on the remote control I think , so you can do something unique with that . 1147.29 1153.38 1156.65 1157.86 1160.7 1164.88 1166.97 1172.29 1174.3 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 1153.072 1153.36 1153.09 1153.32 Yeah . 1153.32 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 1166.608 1166.976 1166.63 1166.94 Yeah . 1166.94 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 1167.087 1167.601 1167.21 1167.47 Yeah . 1167.47 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 1174.752 1199.952 1174.92 1199.91 And what we have to think about too is uh uh buttons that you use often are um maybe uh like when you fold it open , when you have it closed , you can still uh do the th the functions . Yeah . But n yeah , but uh i basically when I'm watching T_V_ I'm just using like five buttons or so , so . 1185.85 1186.94 1190.76 1191.39 1192.84 1199.57 1199.91 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 1189.074 1195.604 1189.15 1195.604 Yeah yeah , what Paul already said . Uh on on top are the the basic options on top , and if you fold it open 1189.55 1190.6 1194.22 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 1190.784 1193.901 1190.8 1193.81 Yeah , just for the T_V_ and just the normal function , that's fine . 1190.96 1193.34 1193.81 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 1192.521 1193.498 1192.56 1193.24 Yeah , yeah . 1193.0 1193.24 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 1195.536 1196.176 1195.56 1196.14 But maybe it's - TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 1198.945 1201.336 1199.08 1201.09 Yeah . That's what I meant . 1199.33 1201.09 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 1200.32 1207.088 1200.34 1207.05 maybe it's very hard to to make it fold open and to l look like it's very uh uh what's it's called ? 1207.05 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 1206.837 1216.01 1206.92 1215.95 Mm . If you if if you make to fold open it's or also an uh the strength uh is not s as good as a normal uh remote control . 1208.35 1215.95 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 1208.495 1210.271 1208.495 1210.17 Maybe it's hard t - TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 1208.683 1209.533 1208.82 1209.533 Uh - TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 1214.142 1220.72 1214.23 1220.45 No , that's right . So maybe we have to to uh keep it like mm a square , just normal remote control . 1214.43 1214.85 1218.83 1220.45 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 1220.64 1221.648 1220.66 1221.61 Okay , but yeah . 1221.1 1221.61 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 1223.152 1237.984 1223.19 1237.86 Just think about it . We have to close this uh to finish this uh meeting , so . There's some more things . We have uh another thirty minutes , so then we're going to meet again . So you know what you have to what you have to do ? 1224.06 1226.8 1228.61 1231.54 1233.1 1236.18 1237.86 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 1223.119 1223.926 1223.34 1223.84 Yeah . 1223.84 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 1227.392 1227.84 1227.5 1227.79 Okay . 1227.79 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 1240.352 1240.896 1240.37 1240.78 Okay . 1240.78 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 1242.016 1242.352 1242.04 1242.3 Yeah . 1242.3 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 1242.4 1252.9 1242.56 1252.9 Um for m for me uh the Marketing Expert , the user requirements uh specification , do I need to think as a user , a as a a a only the looks and the 1245.66 1247.71 1249.85 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 1251.398 1253.84 1251.398 1253.76 No , what you want to do with it . 1252.82 1253.76 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 1253.792 1263.696 1253.81 1263.66 Yeah , I think this if you you have to n know if it's for s a T_V_ , a D_V_D_ player , all that things . Also from a user , but all these things together . Yeah , everything . 1253.99 1257.62 1258.46 1259.99 1261.08 1262.83 1263.2 1263.66 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 1259.504 1260.193 1259.55 1260.02 Okay . 1260.02 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 1261.484 1266.003 1261.53 1265.82 Yeah , it's also about strength and uh for everything uh . 1261.84 1265.82 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 1262.82 1266.086 1263.14 1266.086 Yeah , I also wrote down some stuff that you want on a 1263.53 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 1265.47 1272.581 1265.63 1272.47 Yeah , no maybe not not uh , that's not a f that's something for for for yeah . That's not for you . 1265.98 1267.93 1271.76 1272.47 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 1270.384 1271.944 1270.5 1271.44 Technical fun fu - TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 1273.467 1274.266 1273.54 1274.07 Okay . 1274.07 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 1273.802 1277.872 1273.88 1277.84 Just if what's in the market , what's normal , uh what kind of uh buttons do you have . 1275.22 1276.0 1277.84 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 1276.906 1284.208 1276.93 1284.06 What do you want to do with your remote control , what do you need on your remote control . I already wrote some down , some ideas . 1278.55 1280.7 1283.54 1284.06 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 1280.736 1281.485 1280.83 1281.41 Yeah , it's alright . 1281.04 1281.41 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 1284.275 1284.8 1284.4 1284.7 Yep . 1284.7 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 1284.992 1286.928 1285.19 1286.89 Yeah , just is that okay ? 1285.67 1286.89 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 1287.056 1287.92 1287.25 1287.74 Okay . 1287.74 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 1287.584 1287.856 1287.61 1287.77 Yep . 1287.77 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 1287.888 1288.542 1287.93 1288.44 Okay . 1288.44 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 1288.88 1289.152 1288.9 1289.03 Okay . 1289.03 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 1289.552 1291.696 1289.65 1291.59 There's already a document in the - TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 1292.832 1294.752 1292.85 1294.4 folder about it . 1294.4 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 1293.689 1294.539 1293.79 1294.41 Yeah , me too . 1293.97 1294.41 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 1298.416 1300.112 1298.49 1299.71 So see you in thirty minutes . 1299.71 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 1300.096 1301.036 1300.15 1300.82 Okay , well done . 1300.36 1300.82 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 1300.471 1301.184 1300.54 1301.02 Okay . 1301.02 TS3004a C MTD014ID 2 1300.679 1302.0 1301.1 1301.81 Okay . 1301.81 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 1302.064 1308.0 1302.08 1307.63 For the next time you have to uh put it exactly on the square , so your laptop . 1304.96 1307.63 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 1307.739 1308.793 1307.77 1308.52 I will . 1308.52 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 1307.946 1310.479 1308.02 1310.479 Oh Paul . 1309.99 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 1311.419 1312.384 1311.48 1312.33 It didn't say that . 1312.33 TS3004a A MTD013PM 0 1312.944 1313.766 1312.98 1313.66 No , sorry . 1313.19 1313.66 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 1313.712 1314.352 1313.75 1314.29 Your fault . 1314.29 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 1316.896 1317.676 1317.06 1317.53 Ciao . 1317.53 TS3004a D MTD016ME 3 1325.681 1329.333 1325.681 1329.24 Bye bye . 1329.24 TS3004a B MTD015UID 1 1327.968 1328.975 1327.99 1328.89 Bye bye . 1328.89 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 34.141 40.08 34.67 40.03 I just forgot their name , so uh you're i sorry , I just forgot them all . So I have to write it down . 35.67 37.11 37.99 40.03 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 38.528 41.038 38.528 40.92 Okay . 40.92 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 41.376 41.856 41.4 41.856 So - TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 42.224 43.094 42.24 43.06 Fine . 43.06 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 43.6 45.104 43.85 45.104 Do you know them or - TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 45.408 46.768 45.83 46.7 The names ? 46.7 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 46.376 46.805 46.45 46.72 Yeah . 46.72 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 48.304 50.784 48.32 50.75 For for for my sur um Jens . 50.75 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 49.689 50.109 49.76 50.04 Yeah . 50.04 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 51.15 53.678 51.38 53.4 Yeah , no , but your b your surname . 51.57 51.77 53.4 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 53.51 54.555 53.66 54.33 Uh Damman . 54.33 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 56.645 59.039 56.72 58.86 D_ A_ W_ . 58.86 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 62.662 64.404 62.78 64.31 W_O_ da . Okay . 63.77 64.31 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 62.622 66.252 62.88 66.07 Uh uh M_ M_ . I mean M_ . Double M_ . 64.42 65.51 66.07 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 67.28 67.936 67.3 67.69 Okay . 67.69 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 69.312 71.071 69.33 70.95 And what's your name ? 70.95 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 71.126 73.284 71.31 73.16 Paul Wiezer . Paul Wiezer . 72.68 73.16 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 75.097 83.592 75.26 83.33 W_I_E_S_ z Z_ or S_ ? Uh uh zee . Okay . What's your name ? 78.3 81.55 82.68 83.33 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 75.142 79.504 75.33 79.47 A_ E_ Z_ zee zee - TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 80.832 81.568 80.87 81.3 E_ R_ . 81.3 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 83.776 84.848 84.0 84.73 Uh Martijn . 84.73 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 85.075 87.03 85.28 87.03 Yeah , but your surname . 85.5 86.83 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 87.295 87.902 87.41 87.73 What ? 87.73 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 87.738 88.749 87.86 88.42 Your surname . 88.42 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 88.98 92.963 89.01 92.88 Uh Abbing . A_ B_ B_ I_ N_ G_ . 91.07 92.88 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 92.816 94.094 92.84 94.0 Okay , thanks . 93.29 94.0 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 97.099 99.506 97.16 99.506 I was a little short on time , but 99.04 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 96.905 97.831 97.23 97.36 Uh . 97.36 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 98.665 104.65 98.82 104.65 Yeah , me too , so that's not No no no , I just fi first my 99.13 99.5 101.35 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 99.607 101.394 99.89 101.27 Yeah , same here . 100.36 101.27 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 102.529 104.18 102.72 104.03 Oh . Sorry . 103.62 104.03 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 106.848 110.216 106.89 109.84 Uh let's see . Which one was mine ? 108.48 109.84 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 109.182 114.373 109.33 114.17 So let's have a look , we have forty minutes , so it's it's more than enough . 111.64 112.37 114.17 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 119.193 123.44 119.34 123.27 Okay , perfect . So we have Oh no , what's that ? 119.87 120.89 122.31 123.27 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 126.192 135.616 126.21 135.57 So so we have uh forty minutes for this uh for this second meeting , and we have to make uh sure that we going t that we are sure , that we are , 130.68 135.0 135.57 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 130.771 132.05 131.16 131.96 Good . 131.96 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 136.962 145.808 137.03 145.73 that we know what we're going to make uh th what the product is going to like look like . Uh first I have the notes of the last meeting , so I showed uh show them to you . 141.28 143.78 145.73 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 147.712 150.08 147.78 150.05 Oh , sorry about that , I just escape this one . 147.98 148.87 150.05 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 151.722 152.868 151.83 152.72 How do I escape this ? 152.72 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 153.819 154.459 153.95 154.18 What ? 154.18 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 154.284 156.913 154.37 156.71 How do I I escape this s uh presentation ? 156.71 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 157.604 160.129 157.69 160.129 Uh left . So 159.68 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 157.735 158.448 157.77 158.448 Uh - TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 158.976 166.576 159.02 166.53 Ah okay . And show , sorry . Okay , so let's have a look s at this one . 160.79 161.31 163.13 163.49 166.53 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 159.515 160.257 159.61 160.18 Just Yeah . 160.18 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 167.728 194.832 167.75 194.832 Okay , so the f the f the points we had last meeting was the um Should be a univ uh universal remote control No , that's I uh s I just got a email from the from the personal coach and it should be a T_V_ remote control only . So have you changed that part ? Um so yeah , it still has to be uh f a r a remote control for kids and elderly . It's it's still the same . Um 168.13 174.43 182.26 185.46 187.11 191.83 194.08 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 184.512 185.27 184.53 185.06 Okay . 185.06 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 184.526 185.605 184.67 185.605 Okay . 185.46 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 196.0 197.328 196.04 197.23 All these points uh we have to - TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 198.4 204.832 198.55 204.75 look at . You all know them . But uh there's another point . The um uh the main 199.16 200.59 202.07 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 206.08 219.529 206.1 219.34 uh people of interest of this company are forty plus people . So they're old and not younger people . So we have to look at that as well . 'Specially old people , maybe bi bigger buttons or something , I dunno . 210.64 213.91 216.52 217.32 219.01 219.34 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 219.541 220.384 219.65 220.16 Yeah , okay . 219.87 220.16 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 224.736 225.714 225.01 225.714 Uh so - TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 229.728 234.242 229.75 234.242 So yeah , that's it , so just you can do your presentation for uh 230.84 231.17 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 234.069 235.215 234.24 235.17 Which one first ? 235.17 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 234.654 235.766 235.03 235.68 Okay . 235.68 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 235.489 237.242 235.61 237.242 Oh it doesn't matter , just start with the 236.25 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 237.397 238.004 237.45 237.9 Okay . 237.9 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 240.418 241.294 240.63 241.19 Mm . 241.19 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 249.54 250.652 249.67 250.652 Uh - TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 251.453 252.931 251.55 252.75 Functional requirements , yeah . 252.65 252.75 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 260.058 270.944 260.2 270.65 Okay . Well my name is Jens Damman , but we're in a group , and I I will start it . Wait . Um I've 261.68 263.32 264.33 267.09 268.99 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 272.396 283.072 272.68 282.96 used a marketing report on uh the site . Uh I think you've uh read it too . Uh and uh f and furthermore I uh surfed the o the other site . 275.37 278.85 282.96 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 283.45 289.046 283.68 288.92 I I didn't read i read it , so it's not for me , I didn't get it uh anyway . It's only for you . 285.2 286.6 288.0 288.92 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 285.778 286.89 285.97 286.65 You didn't read it ? 286.65 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 286.641 290.395 286.93 290.23 No , I didn don't thing we got it . Yes . 287.49 289.88 290.23 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 287.749 298.422 287.91 298.31 Oh okay , I I was the only one who get it . Okay it was uh uh uh um um a report about uh an experiment with uh a lot of users . 288.51 290.03 298.31 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 289.632 290.125 289.65 289.94 Yeah . 289.94 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 298.422 308.405 298.6 308.23 And uh they had a lot of findings in their report uh with statistical uh uh uh thing uh with statistical uh proof . 308.23 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 308.405 324.752 308.92 324.42 So I um I had three pages with findings and sev a lot of uh a lot of findings . So we can use this uh to uh create our own remote control . Uh seventy five percent of the users find uh most remote controls ugly . 315.28 319.6 324.42 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 324.752 336.509 325.12 336.2 Yeah , I think uh uh that's a lot , so we have to make a beautiful remote control . Uh eighty percent of users would spend when uh a remote control will l uh look fancy . 325.35 328.01 330.75 336.2 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 336.509 355.728 336.53 355.64 I think this fits uh at the uh what what uh Michael said about uh older people . Older people will uh spend more money uh for uh something uh uh what's good . Because younger people are more critical uh about uh uh where they spend their money money at . 342.97 348.72 355.64 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 356.8 370.363 356.96 370.28 Uh seventy five percent uh seventy five percent of the users say they zap a lot . Well okay , that's uh normal . I think uh we we have to make uh good zap buttons . But that's one of our requirements . 361.69 362.8 364.23 367.78 370.28 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 369.723 372.424 369.77 372.424 The last point is quite an interesting - TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 371.663 383.01 371.73 383.01 Yes , fifty percent of users say they only use ten percent of the buttons . Um Martijn alr already said it . And uh maybe our uh fold open system is is a good one , but 372.07 375.39 377.93 382.57 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 375.639 376.321 375.68 376.321 So if we - TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 377.552 377.824 377.57 377.77 Yeah . 377.77 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 384.32 386.017 384.34 385.77 I don't think it's uh - TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 385.917 389.23 386.0 389.23 Yeah , we should have the ten percent on the on the top , then you're you're 386.11 388.22 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 386.758 387.635 386.87 387.45 reachable . 387.45 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 388.772 406.483 388.96 406.18 Yeah , the ten percent on the top , yeah . That that's a good one . Um uh page two . Remote controls are often lost somewhere in the room . That's exactly what we said about um maybe a home station for uh for it uh to uh recharge the batteries or something . 389.14 390.15 390.3 392.16 394.46 397.78 406.18 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 389.686 390.596 389.83 390.27 Yeah . 390.27 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 406.483 416.653 406.67 416.44 Uh I thought mo maybe we could make a clap system , so when you clap your hands it will beep or something . Uh you must find it uh quickly . 409.77 413.36 416.44 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 415.555 416.257 415.66 416.17 Uh . 416.17 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 416.695 423.167 416.77 422.94 Maybe just a button on the home station . So remote control beeps when you click that button on the home station . 418.52 422.94 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 422.986 434.386 423.07 434.35 Okay , yeah . Yeah , we can uh combine that . Uh it takes too much time to learn how to use a r new remote control . Uh I think we must t uh take a look at this . 423.48 424.78 424.92 426.72 431.38 434.35 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 434.386 450.837 434.43 450.65 It's only uh th thirty four of the thirty four percent . But it's uh a tough one . Because if we make a ha whole new product , our own style , we we c uh this is so difficult , uh a difficulty I think . 438.78 441.76 443.99 445.57 447.79 450.65 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 451.998 465.637 452.34 465.4 Uh next , remote controls are bad for R_S_I_ . Yeah , but only if they zap a lot , and they watch over five hours T_V_ or something . I don't We we haven't Uh we mustn't look too much at uh the last point . 452.77 455.47 456.02 457.54 460.05 465.4 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 465.637 482.119 465.99 481.97 Okay , last page . Uh the last uh experiment uh was about gadgets , like uh speech recognition . We didn't uh think about that already . And uh an L_C_D_ on the remote control . We already thought about that . 466.48 468.48 472.36 474.48 477.91 480.64 481.97 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 482.119 496.253 482.59 496.06 Um uh they finally had a conclusion that younger people um uh under an age of f forty five are uh more interested in new features . And but they're more critical . 494.06 496.06 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 496.253 511.054 496.33 511.054 And older people uh want to spend uh more money . But uh they uh they don't want to uh have a lot of uh new features , because they're in their old uh thinking way . And they want to keep the old uh things the old things . 499.67 504.51 507.32 510.98 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 511.079 515.04 511.16 514.96 So we have uh a new uh age of forty plus . 514.96 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 513.584 519.312 513.61 519.25 But y But you but you already said that the uh company was about uh forty plus uh clients ? 519.25 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 517.957 523.278 518.2 523.278 People . So yeah , so we just can skip the L_C_D_ r on the remote control , because 518.5 519.7 522.94 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 521.301 533.202 521.42 533.202 I I think we can speak , uh we can skip speech recognition uh directly , because it's not reachable for twenty five Euros . Um then 523.5 526.72 531.85 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 522.228 523.064 522.37 522.71 Yeah . 522.71 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 526.788 529.215 526.89 528.93 Yeah . It's too Okay . 527.92 528.93 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 530.688 531.396 530.86 531.14 Yeah . 531.14 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 534.232 546.712 534.25 546.6 I have my personal uh preference . Okay , that's not very good , because I thought about television , D_V_D_ player , stereo and V_C_R_ . I had a question about . But it's already out of the question , this . 537.16 537.56 539.51 541.44 542.02 543.09 544.21 546.14 546.6 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 546.712 560.16 547.23 560.13 Um my point is , well , I If we ma uh make a a remote uh control for only television , I think it's hard to uh sell it for twenty five Euros . But it's the exercise . 549.42 549.84 555.88 558.76 560.13 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 560.112 562.667 560.2 562.43 Because it's too expensive . Yeah , probably . 561.76 562.11 562.43 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 561.146 573.926 561.29 573.86 Yeah , only only for television uh On the market you can now buy for twenty Euros a remote control for everything . And we only make it for television , so we mi mm we m must made it make it uh very special . 561.98 568.89 570.44 573.86 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 573.667 576.634 573.89 576.53 Yeah , but good usability , so you can use it . 574.15 575.56 576.53 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 576.912 584.689 577.0 584.59 Okay , I told about the home station . Uh it must be simple , because uh our the the elderly people uh needs to use it . 577.32 579.36 580.92 584.59 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 584.689 602.897 585.05 602.8 And I I found a motto . And we put the fashion in electronics . And that's uh the motto we are uh referenced to uh for our uh our style . We we have to make a a new product . We have to be um Yeah . 587.07 589.88 596.25 599.73 602.8 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 604.27 606.394 604.39 606.29 One of a kind , I think . 605.65 606.29 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 605.659 609.67 605.86 609.67 So it has to look uh uh uh unique , but 609.2 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 607.909 608.639 608.0 608.44 Unique . 608.44 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 608.437 612.63 608.437 612.25 The company is about our uh th th their own fashion , their own style . 611.28 612.25 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 611.846 613.392 612.09 613.392 Yeah , I reckon 612.49 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 611.951 612.481 612.14 612.39 Yeah . 612.39 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 613.296 615.131 613.32 615.02 But old people are not looking for that . 615.02 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 615.456 616.787 615.51 616.787 Uh I think mm - TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 616.352 616.992 616.38 616.96 Not really . 616.96 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 617.185 625.679 617.45 625.62 Yeah . I think the main thing is the usability , that's where we can uh make it a special product . Yeah . 618.58 620.88 625.21 625.62 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 617.494 618.224 617.52 618.224 Uh - TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 622.118 622.624 622.21 622.45 Yeah . 622.45 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 623.177 626.994 623.22 626.9 Yeah , to k to keep it simple when you Sorry I thought about it , yes . 623.88 626.68 626.9 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 623.79 625.037 624.0 624.81 Okay . Yeah . 624.61 624.81 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 625.079 641.635 625.15 641.635 But uh we also have to stand out , 'cause there are already , like you said , so many controls out that support lot of stuff . But we have to make sure that we're better usability , and stand out by just looks of it . So make it just a different colour or different shape , so 627.51 628.78 629.4 633.22 636.46 638.48 641.09 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 640.712 642.397 640.84 642.24 Yeah . Okay . 641.84 642.24 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 642.839 645.165 643.07 644.97 Okay , this was uh my presentation . 643.35 644.97 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 644.084 644.859 644.29 644.64 Thanks . 644.64 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 645.453 646.295 645.72 646.03 Okay . 646.03 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 648.367 651.805 648.48 651.52 I don't Yeah . You can ask some questions or something . 649.6 651.52 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 649.067 651.297 649.13 651.01 So Paul , you can do the next one if you want . 649.83 651.01 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 650.537 653.011 650.87 653.011 Okay . Yeah well 652.37 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 654.865 656.079 654.98 655.83 Uh . 655.83 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 654.933 659.286 654.99 659.07 It's on the on the uh net net uh thing , isn't it ? 658.74 659.07 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 657.393 658.236 657.61 658.05 There it is . 658.05 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 666.016 668.584 666.05 668.43 Okay . Technical functions design . 667.03 668.43 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 670.107 683.712 670.23 683.57 Okay , well , so we have s mm uh broad audience . Isn't that isn't true anymore . But um we have elderly people , so we need to keep it simple . Uh the way I want to keep it simple is to use the sen uh standard . 670.49 670.69 673.91 675.41 677.82 680.03 683.57 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 684.784 696.4 684.8 696.37 So standardised uh methods like uh on all uh remote controls . Not too full , like uh Jens already said , only ten percent is being used . 691.84 692.41 694.35 696.37 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 697.056 700.638 697.08 700.638 So what do you think of only the numbers and the on-off button or - TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 700.144 726.323 700.16 726.27 Yeah , I have it on the next page . But yes uh basic functions like numbers and that sort of stuff . Um so the options that we put on there should be easy to use , and 'cause you have more room then , and for elderly people big buttons . Uh an icon on it or text on it , so it's very clear what that buttons does . So it doesn't take much time to figure out uh how to use it . 700.42 701.75 706.96 712.1 714.4 717.0 719.79 723.08 726.27 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 701.749 702.528 701.88 702.16 Okay . 702.16 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 727.394 735.54 727.49 735.44 Um a way to find out uh what people use is maybe just to use uh questionnaires on the internet or - TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 736.691 743.008 736.75 742.97 just ask some random people , elderly people what they use , what they want on a remote control 738.44 740.85 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 742.557 743.164 742.74 743.07 Yeah . 743.07 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 744.304 746.976 744.32 746.94 to find out . But there is already in a 745.19 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 748.199 754.949 748.3 754.84 one done . Of functions I could think of . Uh volume , channels , the the basic according to . 748.82 751.22 752.62 753.18 754.84 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 756.096 759.376 756.13 759.34 Just one two three etcetera . Uh text service options . 758.12 759.34 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 760.432 778.576 760.5 778.576 Um basic on-off . And I found an uh Could I think of favourites ? I always look up the same um pages on text and always have to click the number . But if you could make a new option , that you just have to press one button and you get on your 762.38 766.82 773.94 776.15 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 773.344 773.95 773.36 773.83 Okay . 773.83 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 778.71 785.44 778.78 785.41 Yeah , but then you have to remember what favourite is what channel . So you might as well remember the number . 778.92 782.36 785.41 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 786.64 787.24 786.66 786.96 Or not ? 786.96 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 787.456 788.243 787.48 787.95 No y - TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 787.432 791.609 787.56 791.609 Maybe i maybe it's too complicated , but not sure . It's a good idea , but 789.09 790.28 790.93 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 789.557 797.291 789.65 797.26 Well it's It was just a thought . So I'm , I u I would find it handy , I think , when you just press one button and you get on six six six . 791.73 792.73 794.28 794.61 797.26 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 797.702 807.241 797.8 806.95 Yeah , okay . But um how can you remember what uh channel uh connects to what favourite button ? 797.98 798.2 806.95 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 806.001 828.268 806.13 828.268 Well uh what I was reading on the page . Uh a remote control just sends commands , basics commands to uh the television . So switch to channel six . So uh button six says says six . And if you make favourites , it can say six six six in a row . Just numbers . That can be in the in the 809.24 811.55 815.97 818.94 821.64 823.01 825.48 826.57 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 807.023 808.28 807.45 808.28 Uh - TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 818.163 818.972 818.33 818.56 Yeah ? 818.56 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 826.441 832.315 826.65 832.06 Yeah okay . But uh uh for a user to to remember , if I press that button it goes to that channel . 827.0 829.81 832.06 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 832.928 834.448 833.07 834.448 Well if you said a favourite - TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 834.672 839.481 834.71 839.481 Yeah , but isn't it hard to remember ? Like favourite one and 835.06 838.06 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 840.169 846.312 840.21 846.22 Uh mayb for me it's If I use my telephone , I never use those buttons to to to call sh Never . 842.98 846.22 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 840.223 841.165 840.27 840.96 Well i - TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 840.391 842.784 840.69 842.784 Mm as as hard as - TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 845.153 846.467 845.29 846.25 Never ? Oh . 846.03 846.25 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 845.615 846.93 845.75 846.68 No , neither do I . 845.95 846.68 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 846.797 847.546 846.89 847.36 Oh are you ? 847.36 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 846.902 848.554 846.92 848.554 So And - TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 848.135 849.664 848.24 849.57 Okay now , m maybe not . 848.97 849.57 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 850.128 854.258 850.15 854.258 If I don't do it , maybe old people 852.04 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 853.645 858.198 853.77 858.13 No , maybe elderly people uh . Right . They don't like new features . So maybe not . 853.95 855.76 856.2 857.44 858.13 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 855.162 856.308 855.28 856.13 Yeah , I dunno . 855.67 856.13 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 858.05 859.094 858.3 858.63 Mm-hmm . 858.63 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 859.322 863.773 859.42 863.773 Um well play , pause . I dunno if that's usable when 860.3 861.41 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 862.653 865.287 862.83 865.287 It's not , it's still not It's not anymore n uh 863.24 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 864.746 871.344 864.8 871.22 Not anymore for T_V_ . Right , on off . I dunno , miss Did I miss any other buttons , basic buttons ? 866.03 866.33 868.06 868.42 870.47 871.22 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 872.77 873.917 873.09 873.917 Um - TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 873.258 876.336 873.31 876.3 I couldn't think of any other , 'specially not for T_V_ . 875.07 876.3 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 876.392 879.561 876.49 879.45 Just on the front as well . No , that's the only th the only thing you need . 877.76 877.93 879.45 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 879.424 879.936 879.53 879.936 Is - TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 879.446 886.146 879.64 885.71 Uh uh the p uh next and previous . Previous I know , but next channel ? I don't thi 882.53 883.44 885.29 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 884.889 888.42 884.96 888.42 Just the channel um uh What I mean is uh - TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 887.535 888.445 887.73 888.29 Forward . 888.29 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 888.405 897.536 888.5 897.5 Li like a web browser , so Oh , okay . But uh um there's also a button to uh go to the channel you've been before . 889.8 890.21 891.4 897.5 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 888.99 892.232 889.01 892.09 Six seven eight or five . 892.09 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 891.134 892.449 891.21 892.16 Just very simple . 892.16 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 898.64 901.019 898.66 900.74 Like a web browser back button . 900.74 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 899.931 903.701 900.05 903.701 Um I dunno . I don't have Uh I did 902.26 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 901.946 907.59 902.06 907.59 Uh Yeah , I know what it is , but I think it's all too difficult for old people . 903.09 903.77 906.49 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 904.74 906.661 904.82 906.661 No . Uh 906.19 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 905.139 908.368 905.22 908.368 Yeah , I don't think you use that . Y only when you want to go to 905.4 906.63 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 906.181 907.544 906.43 907.21 Yeah , okay . 906.88 907.21 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 909.472 913.179 909.49 913.1 Yeah , just use uh when you wanna switch between channels all the time . 909.74 913.1 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 912.859 920.656 913.02 920.656 And how do you want to uh do it , like if you have a channel above ten ? Normally you can press one , zero or 915.12 918.08 919.8 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 912.922 913.676 913.11 913.41 Yeah . 913.41 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 919.456 926.368 919.74 926.368 Yeah , I think um f Especially for older peo elderly people use standard buttons . So you have that uh 920.04 925.26 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 927.52 928.87 927.55 928.87 A ten plus or - TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 928.234 933.342 928.34 933.23 Yeah , the ten plus button . Just uh one one pressing , or quickly after each other . 928.6 929.85 931.51 933.23 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 933.248 933.926 933.27 933.58 Okay . 933.58 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 934.996 937.712 935.05 937.68 To just keep it simple and standard uh features . 937.68 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 937.946 944.875 938.0 944.875 Yeah , w wouldn't it be a problem to uh Because you h have to be fast enough . Maybe the elderly people 938.27 943.06 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 944.445 953.744 944.53 953.71 Uh yeah mayb But I think that's in the T_V_ as well . That's how the uh the T_V_ T_V_ handles it . But you can have a button that says um 949.59 951.65 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 945.391 947.212 945.52 946.91 It gets some seconds . 946.91 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 955.456 962.064 955.48 962.03 two two st two stripes . So you have uh like a five seconds period to press those two buttons . 957.77 962.03 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 955.46 957.921 955.65 957.921 Yeah , it's it's no it's not a 955.86 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 955.46 957.655 955.85 957.56 Oh okay . Yeah . 956.76 957.56 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 959.336 960.92 959.47 960.92 Yeah , but that's th mm 959.64 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 961.865 976.414 962.05 976.18 It's what Paul says . It's not a remote control uh uh that um uh makes the T_V_ um do one two . It's the T_V_ who depends that it must be two seconds or three seconds or one second that you must uh type one or two . 962.87 969.62 976.18 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 972.204 972.979 972.34 972.82 Okay . 972.82 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 975.584 992.42 975.67 992.42 So if you have a universal T_V_ controller , you needed one button that has two uh stripes . So we have a a period of , I dunno , five seconds to press those buttons , and that And not for elderly people to look , one two uh press and aim and 978.52 981.7 983.99 984.37 986.12 989.38 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 976.282 976.956 976.47 976.83 Yeah . 976.83 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 981.338 981.945 981.43 981.79 Yeah . 981.79 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 986.816 987.372 986.84 987.23 Yeah . 987.23 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 993.2 1000.0 993.22 999.94 But do we still need a two level remote control ? Because if we only have that l only f No . 995.92 999.94 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 996.775 998.798 997.07 998.34 It's only for television now . 998.34 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 998.164 1012.964 998.21 1012.964 So I I don't think so . Uh I just thought of another one . Most things in modern T_V_s are also on the menu . So you also need a menu button . And then uh navigation uh 1000.45 1002.91 1007.65 1010.2 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1000.011 1000.753 1000.19 1000.48 No . 1000.48 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1007.28 1007.86 1007.3 1007.76 Yeah . 1007.76 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1014.246 1018.432 1014.42 1018.4 But we can integrate that with volume and previous and next , so you have 1017.93 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1014.579 1015.522 1014.77 1015.45 Yeah . 1015.45 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1019.537 1037.12 1019.59 1037.12 I I think you ha really have to divide between functions you often use , like um uh m maybe uh switch channels and uh volume and k that kind of things , and uh the menu button . Because you n almost never use menu button . So 1024.07 1031.24 1033.26 1036.63 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1020.414 1021.257 1020.51 1021.14 four arrows . 1021.14 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1036.272 1038.499 1036.29 1038.499 Yeah , okay , but um 1036.84 1037.19 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1037.895 1043.987 1038.01 1043.987 Maybe it's still still a good idea , I'm not sure . You'll also have to use a mute button to to 1039.34 1040.4 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1043.319 1046.218 1043.5 1046.02 Yeah , a mute button . Yes . Don't think so . 1043.68 1044.52 1045.49 1046.02 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1045.232 1048.24 1045.26 1048.2 Maybe , not I don't know where where you have to put it . 1045.88 1048.2 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1049.311 1058.762 1049.36 1058.53 Yeah well , that's that's I think that's the layers that produce . Now I have to figure out what's uh what to put on . What we're gonna use . And later we can d uh do the design . 1049.81 1052.25 1055.17 1056.49 1058.53 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1055.04 1057.198 1055.06 1056.98 Okay . Yeah . Yeah . That's right . 1055.41 1055.94 1056.16 1056.98 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1055.945 1056.675 1056.0 1056.58 Okay . 1056.58 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1059.561 1064.549 1059.63 1064.549 Okay , uh now my personal preferences . Uh using the standards , basic 1060.19 1062.58 1063.95 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1065.405 1070.816 1065.46 1070.67 Um I think that we should stand out uh unique , being unique with the design . 1069.2 1070.67 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1072.102 1082.896 1072.15 1082.84 So we have to , I dunno , uh make a different shape than usual . So when you are in the shop and you see our T_V_ controller hanging , that it stands out . Not just in in the row when you see 1073.24 1073.82 1076.08 1080.23 1081.41 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1083.874 1085.761 1084.08 1085.68 all the same uh remote controls . 1085.68 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1085.645 1090.252 1085.72 1090.252 Yeah . Does it have to be Uh it has to be uh with different colours or 1086.79 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1086.688 1087.517 1086.82 1087.517 Um - TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1090.576 1093.329 1090.86 1093.329 I dunno . Different colours um 1091.38 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1093.035 1097.459 1093.11 1097.459 Maybe we can give it out in different colours . You can choose blue or yellow or 1095.28 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1095.947 1098.88 1096.0 1098.88 It's like a iMac or something . Just to make it 1097.78 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1097.863 1098.571 1097.99 1098.5 Mm-hmm . 1098.5 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1098.418 1100.778 1098.61 1100.66 Yeah . Well why not ? Or Yeah . 1098.94 1099.97 1100.66 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1100.021 1102.852 1100.21 1102.76 That's fa That's fancy . That's uh fashion . 1101.29 1102.76 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1102.082 1107.008 1102.23 1107.008 But it looks cheap as well , because it's a small thing . It's only twenty five Euros . It looks very cheap if you make it 1103.34 1104.43 1105.59 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1107.088 1111.267 1107.4 1111.17 Well , maybe you can look at uh mobile phones . Oh . 1107.83 1110.95 1111.17 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1109.936 1111.857 1110.15 1111.64 Oh , you just I dunno what happened . 1110.34 1111.64 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1112.88 1113.356 1112.9 1113.2 Who ? 1113.2 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1117.183 1119.307 1117.33 1119.307 Yeah , we have to look at mobile phones , that's right . Just 1117.47 1118.54 1119.06 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1118.539 1130.767 1118.75 1130.55 They they're uh designed very well . And well basically are the same , just a bit smaller . You think you can't make a T_V_ controller too small , 'cause then you will always lo always lose it . 1121.4 1124.03 1125.8 1128.31 1130.55 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1121.419 1122.026 1121.54 1121.77 Yeah . 1121.77 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1130.756 1131.228 1130.85 1131.02 Yeah . 1131.02 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1131.948 1134.432 1132.01 1134.39 But uh well , I think that's a good example . 1133.13 1134.39 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1134.932 1136.179 1135.09 1135.95 Okay . 1135.95 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1135.442 1139.925 1135.49 1139.68 Okay , we hurry up a bit , because otherwise we won't make it . Is it fin Are you finished ? Okay . 1135.93 1136.66 1138.43 1139.4 1139.68 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1137.073 1142.515 1137.16 1142.43 Okay , sorry . Well uh Yeah , I I'm finished . I think we discussed everything . 1137.52 1138.43 1140.18 1140.89 1142.43 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1153.077 1153.893 1153.19 1153.83 Okay . 1153.83 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1155.456 1157.365 1155.48 1157.19 Well , the working design . 1156.17 1157.19 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1158.8 1163.92 1158.82 1163.51 The method I used is uh search the web . Just the web page provided . 1161.61 1163.51 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1164.992 1166.064 1165.01 1166.064 Um - TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1167.376 1184.264 1167.41 1184.16 Basically I'm I'm not very technical uh uh educated , but uh I could figure it out . Um basically what happens is you press a button , uh then a circuit gets closed by pressing the button , uh like a switch . 1172.04 1174.21 1178.48 1182.59 1184.16 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1184.264 1198.263 1184.66 1198.16 And by closing that certain circuit , the chip knows uh what bu button is pressed . So like you press a one , that circuit is closed and uh Then the chip produces a pattern . 1187.66 1190.55 1192.59 1198.16 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1199.675 1220.432 1199.73 1220.4 Like a Morse code to uh And and sends that to the uh L_E_D_ . That's the uh light emitting diode , I think . Um and the light emitting diode is uh producing infrared light . That's un uh invisible 1206.95 1211.34 1212.52 1218.22 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1221.46 1226.482 1221.6 1226.26 to the human eye . And uh transmit that uh to the T_V_ . 1223.25 1226.26 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1228.225 1246.511 1228.28 1246.511 However it has also an uh a visible uh diode that's uh blinking red if you look in it . And that's uh another diode , I believe . Because infrared is not visible . So that's er uh do two different things but 1236.79 1239.39 1240.41 1242.6 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1236.12 1237.064 1236.37 1236.91 Mm-hmm . 1236.91 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1245.442 1249.689 1245.63 1249.54 So we we also have to have a LED li LED light on it ? 1249.54 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1247.831 1252.342 1247.92 1252.0 Yeah . I I think so . I I'm not sure if it's the same thing . 1248.58 1250.1 1252.0 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1249.926 1254.544 1250.05 1254.51 Uh j Is Ain't it just to to indicate that it's transmitting ? 1254.51 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1251.25 1252.844 1251.34 1252.67 Yeah , it's I think it's usable . 1251.59 1252.67 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1253.458 1254.84 1253.65 1254.58 Yeah , that's active . 1253.88 1254.58 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1254.925 1260.16 1254.96 1260.1 Yeah . Or just a green one , because it's If you use it , it's green or the red , it's r green . 1256.17 1257.16 1258.59 1259.51 1260.1 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1255.136 1255.687 1255.16 1255.48 Yeah . 1255.48 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1256.128 1257.042 1256.15 1257.042 So - TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1260.384 1261.762 1260.4 1261.762 Yeah . Maybe uh 1260.83 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1261.244 1264.279 1261.35 1264.279 I I think it's in the case that it's active . It's not uh 1263.3 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1264.244 1265.766 1264.28 1265.766 Yeah , when you press it . So 1264.47 1265.19 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1264.32 1265.644 1264.54 1265.644 Yeah , that's right . But if you 1264.66 1264.98 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1265.159 1267.739 1265.23 1267.739 I it's it's just uh the the - TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1267.148 1267.856 1267.41 1267.66 Two ? 1267.66 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1267.712 1271.998 1267.73 1271.96 Red's l shows up like something's wrong , and green is like it's okay , you press the button . 1269.75 1271.14 1271.96 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1271.56 1272.301 1271.62 1272.11 Mm . 1272.11 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1272.896 1279.133 1272.92 1279.133 Yeah , I dunno . Ma on on most on most uh uh remote controls it's red . So 1273.28 1274.56 1278.57 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1274.169 1275.883 1274.31 1275.883 Maybe depends on uh - TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1278.335 1280.459 1278.51 1280.19 Yeah , I know . Okay , we make it red . 1278.68 1279.31 1279.57 1280.19 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1278.626 1279.158 1278.68 1278.98 Yes . 1278.98 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1278.503 1279.285 1278.72 1279.2 Yeah . 1279.2 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1279.95 1280.851 1279.99 1280.63 So I know . 1280.63 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1279.967 1284.551 1280.11 1284.22 But maybe Well we don't have to make it red . Maybe integrate it in the design as well . 1282.21 1284.22 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1285.089 1291.791 1285.12 1291.791 You have to The whole the whole uh remote control becomes uh green if you press the buttons . Uh that's cool . 1290.74 1291.34 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1290.705 1301.224 1290.705 1301.14 I I think uh the batteries will be uh a little Yeah , okay . Uh maybe . 1299.45 1300.36 1301.14 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1291.361 1295.81 1291.49 1295.81 Uh Oh , maybe it's it is would an e No . Just uh 1292.37 1295.05 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1291.506 1299.592 1291.506 1299.05 Empty . 1299.05 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1297.009 1299.369 1297.09 1299.369 No , we have a recharger in it , so 1297.28 1298.85 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1298.496 1299.264 1298.71 1299.2 Oh . 1299.2 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1300.785 1303.077 1300.83 1303.077 If we can still make that then - TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1302.502 1306.41 1302.61 1306.15 Yeah , but it doesn't have to be red . It's just to indicate something's on . 1302.85 1304.5 1306.15 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1305.522 1306.297 1305.77 1306.12 Yeah . 1306.12 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1306.629 1309.851 1306.74 1309.59 Yeah . That it's working . That it's not not the batteries are low . 1307.1 1307.81 1309.59 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1307.997 1312.208 1308.12 1312.04 Yeah . It's it's not very important , so yeah . 1308.85 1310.61 1312.04 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1308.45 1312.791 1308.55 1312.791 But it's cool if it was green . Green or red or whatever , it is cool . 1310.22 1311.36 1312.47 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1311.304 1313.761 1311.39 1313.67 Yeah , I know . Just to indicate it's working . 1311.82 1312.45 1313.67 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1313.577 1314.368 1313.6 1314.368 So mm - TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1314.966 1332.928 1315.01 1332.89 And uh the receptor in the T_V_ senses the pattern . So we have to understand what patterns are used to , you know , to make it universal . So that it can be used with all the T_V_s . We have to really understand what patterns are used , so we can uh o On the Otherwise it won't work . 1317.72 1321.83 1322.2 1323.9 1327.1 1330.3 1332.89 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1334.032 1339.651 1334.05 1339.651 So we have to uh make buttons for that as well , to make it uh 1338.3 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1338.482 1351.291 1338.67 1351.16 No . I I uh The chip um uh is producing the pattern . So we have to make a chip that produces patterns to , y you know , to Yeah . That are working . 1339.05 1343.71 1348.1 1349.16 1350.36 1351.16 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1347.787 1348.528 1347.9 1348.41 Okay . 1348.41 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1349.616 1354.438 1349.68 1354.21 An automatically search function for each television , or something . 1353.39 1354.21 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1352.976 1357.931 1353.4 1357.84 Yeah , or I dunno how it's uh exactly how it works . It wasn't explained there . 1353.6 1356.42 1357.84 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1357.712 1371.728 1357.78 1371.69 Well , I I use a universal uh remote control , and list of all the T_V_s you have , etcetera . And you have to put in a number , so it works on your T_V_ . 1358.44 1362.64 1366.08 1367.21 1370.26 1371.69 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1357.696 1358.909 1358.12 1358.67 Uh I kno - TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1369.767 1370.475 1369.94 1370.37 Yeah ? 1370.37 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1371.992 1372.733 1372.12 1372.64 Okay . 1372.64 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1372.611 1389.237 1372.64 1389.19 Oh , I have a modern one . And the modern one you you uh you type uh search , and the LED began to blink blink blink . And uh uh uh after uh a short time the television turns off . And then you know , oh it it's the right one . And you can stop it , and then it's okay . 1372.85 1374.38 1378.19 1380.57 1385.69 1386.21 1387.28 1388.51 1389.19 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1388.883 1389.827 1388.99 1389.59 Ah okay . 1389.59 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1389.237 1395.984 1389.38 1395.95 So you don't have to search for your television or your code . It uh search uh the pattern for itself . 1392.8 1395.95 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1392.309 1393.231 1392.39 1393.07 Okay . 1393.07 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1396.144 1404.456 1396.16 1404.32 Okay , yeah . So it uh We have to make a a s a bit more intelligent chip than the standard one . Because you have to Yeah . 1396.52 1397.62 1402.13 1404.32 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1396.034 1397.753 1396.19 1397.59 Okay , so we use that . 1396.88 1397.59 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1402.067 1402.769 1402.11 1402.66 Yes . 1402.66 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1402.608 1403.18 1402.77 1402.96 Yep . 1402.96 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1404.482 1409.264 1404.57 1409.264 I just say Can you s just say it again , because I was just looking There's just a short 1406.6 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1408.203 1421.987 1408.28 1421.88 Uh okay . Well uh y you have this chip . That's uh when the circuit is closed , it produces the pattern . But uh ma basically for uh brands of T_V_ these patterns are different . 1409.41 1411.4 1414.26 1415.63 1421.88 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1411.344 1411.726 1411.37 1411.61 Yeah . 1411.61 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1413.545 1414.048 1413.75 1413.98 Mm-hmm . 1413.98 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1421.987 1428.536 1422.29 1428.48 So like when you press a one on one T_V_ it go go to one . And on the other T_V_ it won't work , basically . 1425.96 1428.01 1428.48 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1428.536 1445.559 1428.9 1445.559 So uh basically what you have to do is uh get these patterns right . And uh by d uh that can be done by uh just uh cha yeah , changing this pattern all the time . And um 1434.97 1441.61 1444.01 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1434.042 1434.716 1434.25 1434.5 Yeah . 1434.5 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1440.405 1441.787 1440.54 1441.7 Changing the signal . 1441.7 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1446.448 1464.058 1446.57 1463.96 What he's doing when he's configuring this pattern , this chip , uh is trying to switch off the television . And when it's uh switched off , you can push a button as uh it's working now , so And then he saves that setting and then um it's working . 1449.22 1450.7 1453.69 1455.92 1459.27 1463.96 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1461.413 1462.528 1461.43 1462.15 Okay . Yeah . 1461.97 1462.15 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1464.063 1466.524 1464.22 1466.4 Yeah , that's the right uh option . 1464.41 1466.4 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1465.242 1465.95 1465.36 1465.86 Okay . 1465.86 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1467.65 1475.455 1467.69 1475.34 Well uh the components . Yeah , that's a bit technical , and I hadn't I w I was a little short on time . 1470.66 1470.89 1472.11 1475.34 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1476.477 1488.992 1476.51 1488.94 Um but I think I understand it . Um the energy source is uh the battery , basically . Um that's connecting to all the components . 1479.9 1483.91 1485.16 1488.94 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1484.282 1484.889 1484.36 1484.77 Yeah . 1484.77 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1490.058 1497.507 1490.18 1497.35 Because it has to be fed with energy . Okay . Uh the subcomponent is uh w 1494.25 1494.7 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1498.514 1505.631 1498.57 1505.5 I I think it is uh the button pressed . So basically when you press a button , a switch get closed . 1501.84 1504.14 1505.5 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1506.579 1511.867 1506.64 1511.81 Um that's connecting to a chip . So the chip knows what button you pressed . 1509.35 1511.81 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1513.2 1524.897 1513.28 1524.81 And the chip sends out uh the pattern to the infrared bulb . I didn didn't put the description by this one . Th this is a normal bulb . So the normal flashing light . 1518.26 1520.67 1522.01 1524.81 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1524.474 1527.676 1524.7 1527.55 Okay . So that's the LED , L_E_D_ . 1525.23 1526.81 1527.55 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1526.144 1534.2 1526.22 1533.97 Yeah . Yeah , and this is a LED too . But this one is producing infrared light that's invisible . And this one is producing normal light . 1526.81 1527.03 1528.11 1531.79 1533.97 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1530.724 1531.519 1530.75 1531.36 Yeah , okay . 1530.94 1531.36 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1533.836 1538.228 1533.86 1538.12 So we can make the normal one also a normal light . Not a LED light , but as a normal one . 1536.69 1537.31 1538.12 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1539.424 1540.456 1539.44 1540.456 Yeah - TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1539.715 1541.264 1539.88 1541.264 To flash up your - TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1541.158 1548.034 1541.47 1547.89 Uh if you if you use the buttons , uh both of them works . But one you can't see and one indicates that you use a button . 1543.57 1544.88 1547.89 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1547.859 1548.499 1548.07 1548.32 Yeah . 1548.32 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1548.448 1560.032 1548.47 1560.032 Yeah , presu Yeah yeah yeah . Because uh when you button press a button and it doesn't work , it can Basically if the battery is low , it won't work . So you have to indicate that it's 1548.67 1550.69 1553.59 1556.85 1558.15 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1556.851 1558.586 1556.97 1558.586 Yeah . Yeah , and 1558.0 1558.21 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1559.808 1566.398 1559.98 1566.16 Maybe you have to uh put uh a small light around the button you push . So you see green if you push that button . 1564.04 1566.16 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1566.694 1569.121 1566.92 1568.91 Huh , that's a good idea . 1567.59 1568.91 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1566.988 1570.831 1567.11 1570.43 Mm I think it's unnecessary power uh you use then . 1570.43 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1570.235 1576.87 1570.3 1576.52 Yeah , but if you u if you do that , you know that you're uh sending a signal . And it's you also know which button you p 1570.4 1571.61 1574.63 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1570.774 1572.204 1570.89 1571.9 No , y Yeah . 1571.1 1571.9 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1573.459 1579.427 1573.58 1579.19 Okay . But then have to be on the in the all uh remote control have to be LEDs . 1575.25 1579.19 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1579.331 1580.923 1579.41 1580.923 Yeah , that's right . But it 1579.53 1580.31 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1580.169 1581.652 1580.37 1581.37 Everywhere in the r - TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1581.6 1586.799 1581.62 1586.65 But does it make any difference for the energy you use ? You got still one LED . 1585.65 1586.65 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1585.643 1593.324 1585.79 1593.09 No I don't think so , but Yeah , i it it will look different , and I think we need to find something else . Yeah . 1586.72 1587.59 1588.94 1592.82 1593.09 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1591.5 1593.219 1591.91 1593.02 That looks different , yeah . 1592.67 1593.02 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1593.345 1593.885 1593.54 1593.76 Hmm . 1593.76 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1594.057 1598.797 1594.11 1598.797 'Cause otherwise we will just make another standard , and our uh motto also is 1596.49 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1598.414 1600.841 1598.74 1600.58 Is LEDs uh beneath the the buttons ? 1600.58 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1600.706 1604.582 1600.84 1604.51 Yeah , w around the buttons , or in the buttons even . 1601.15 1602.85 1604.51 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1605.459 1606.537 1605.63 1606.43 Yeah , okay . 1605.97 1606.43 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1607.222 1620.33 1607.3 1620.33 Yeah , but mm like when you push it n n Yeah . You have your finger over the button . So you can see Yeah . Or or m maybe on top of the A green light is flashing or 1607.59 1611.29 1613.02 1615.87 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1608.608 1611.432 1608.608 1611.36 Yeah , then then won't Then you won't see it . 1609.9 1611.36 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1613.751 1615.537 1613.98 1615.39 It must be around it then . 1615.39 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1618.868 1624.059 1619.05 1623.95 Yeah , then Yeah . Not not not not here , but here . 1619.33 1619.78 1622.44 1623.95 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1623.291 1624.471 1623.34 1624.29 Yeah . There . Yeah . 1623.71 1624.04 1624.29 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1626.318 1627.295 1626.43 1627.295 Maybe uh - TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1627.318 1631.902 1627.47 1631.902 The same as a telephone , or a mobile phone , or what do you mean ? If you push 1628.7 1629.52 1631.07 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1629.551 1633.126 1629.61 1632.83 Yeah , we're thinking about it . Uh on a mobile phone , in the dark uh 1629.84 1630.74 1631.97 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1632.71 1635.138 1632.75 1635.0 It lights up . Everything lights up . That's a good idea . 1633.34 1634.11 1635.0 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1634.023 1637.047 1634.07 1636.88 everything lights up . Why ain't that on a remote control ? 1634.99 1636.88 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1634.819 1635.527 1634.94 1635.41 Yeah . 1635.41 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1636.082 1639.827 1636.12 1639.57 It it only takes a l a little energy and it's not that much . 1639.57 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1638.302 1640.992 1638.37 1640.992 Yeah , if uh a mobile phone a phone can do it , it's 1638.82 1640.58 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1639.001 1640.037 1639.21 1639.82 Okay . 1639.82 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1641.156 1641.797 1641.28 1641.6 Yeah . 1641.6 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1641.172 1643.868 1641.38 1643.69 It's f Yeah . Maybe that's a good idea for old people as well . 1641.96 1643.69 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1643.952 1646.674 1643.97 1646.62 Yeah , i if you're in the dark , you can't see the remote . 1644.29 1645.38 1646.62 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1644.156 1644.931 1644.34 1644.62 Mm-hmm . 1644.62 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1647.018 1650.336 1647.06 1650.23 It's only few LEDs . Only four or something . Four LED . 1648.06 1649.75 1650.23 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1646.954 1647.763 1647.23 1647.43 Yeah . 1647.43 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1650.809 1655.943 1650.88 1655.943 No , I dunno . But if we use a battery station , which I think we will use 1651.08 1651.5 1654.43 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1655.773 1657.256 1656.02 1657.256 Yeah , I uh 1656.48 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1656.658 1658.445 1656.79 1658.34 Yeah , that's a good idea , okay . 1657.03 1657.81 1658.34 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1657.693 1660.052 1657.8 1660.052 Yeah . We'll have enough power to 1658.13 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1659.872 1662.943 1659.9 1662.83 Everything agre Everyone agrees with that , or Okay . 1661.78 1662.83 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1661.908 1662.582 1662.09 1662.41 Yeah . 1662.41 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1661.94 1662.58 1662.15 1662.45 Yeah . 1662.45 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1662.517 1663.025 1662.71 1662.87 Yep . 1662.87 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1663.99 1671.777 1664.01 1671.72 Maybe what Paul said , uh under the on the on the home station , uh a button to uh to call your uh remote control , that it beeps . 1665.21 1667.7 1670.91 1671.72 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1665.851 1666.565 1665.89 1666.565 Yeah , and then you 1666.07 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1670.979 1672.024 1671.0 1671.91 Okay , yeah . 1671.67 1671.91 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1672.295 1673.373 1672.39 1673.373 And also it's - TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1672.563 1675.058 1672.68 1674.95 But you have to make a sound device in it then . 1674.95 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1674.743 1676.394 1674.86 1676.17 Yeah , there must be sound in it . 1675.22 1676.17 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1676.543 1677.184 1676.69 1676.96 Hmm . 1676.96 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1676.709 1677.586 1676.85 1677.41 But Yeah . 1677.41 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1677.819 1679.448 1677.89 1679.448 Okay , it shouldn't take much 1678.28 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1677.743 1678.889 1678.0 1678.56 I dunno . 1678.56 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1678.736 1682.442 1679.05 1682.22 Yeah . B maybe it's that that's a little too hard to make . 1679.26 1682.22 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1683.51 1690.229 1683.62 1690.03 Especially for that kind of money . Because it's i it has to be Yeah . Production cost is uh t uh twelve and a half . 1685.21 1687.69 1690.03 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1685.403 1688.675 1685.44 1688.6 Mm uh , twenty five Euros , I think we can make it . Bec 1685.88 1686.8 1688.44 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1687.248 1688.03 1687.32 1687.79 Uh I th - TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1689.872 1696.904 1689.93 1696.904 Twelve and a half , okay . But but we only have to make it for television , and um we must have something special . So 1690.5 1690.79 1692.91 1696.19 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1693.435 1694.341 1693.49 1694.0 Yeah , okay . 1693.71 1694.0 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1693.92 1707.143 1694.02 1707.143 I think uh you also have uh remote controls with a lot of options . But we lose about ninety percent of those options . So I think you can uh 1700.91 1704.85 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1704.906 1705.782 1705.1 1705.56 Uh . 1705.56 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1706.693 1709.457 1706.94 1709.22 We have to give our customers some extras . 1709.22 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1709.36 1712.057 1709.46 1711.88 Yeah . I think we will save money with that . 1710.45 1711.88 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1710.162 1711.016 1710.21 1710.84 Yeah , okay . 1710.48 1710.84 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1712.743 1715.257 1712.76 1715.257 Okay . Are you almost finished or just 1713.03 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1714.488 1721.04 1714.77 1721.04 Yeah , the the personal preference , I didn't fill it out . Because I was short on time . But um 1715.07 1716.57 1717.87 1719.78 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1717.751 1720.01 1717.93 1719.96 Okay . Okay . No worry . 1718.69 1719.2 1719.96 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1722.304 1727.328 1722.33 1727.12 Basically what we could do too is uh have a Bluetooth uh integration . 1727.12 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1727.696 1731.248 1727.72 1731.21 Yeah , I just want to talk some about some more . So maybe you have to Yeah ? Okay . 1727.85 1729.47 1730.95 1731.21 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1729.966 1731.078 1730.19 1730.94 Yeah ? Okay . 1730.65 1730.94 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1742.832 1746.816 1742.85 1746.66 So this Oh , sorry . Wh what's that ? 1745.25 1745.7 1746.66 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1752.4 1761.456 1752.42 1761.456 So uh Oh , sorry . We have some new uh project requirements . We have to have a look what they are . They're still in um 1753.76 1755.09 1756.85 1757.85 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1763.383 1773.247 1763.47 1773.247 Uh teletext has become outdated since the popularity of internet . So a teletext option , maybe we have to skip that one . I'm not sure . I don't think so , but 1767.38 1770.25 1771.56 1772.19 1772.9 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1772.158 1776.877 1772.33 1776.72 No , and I I think a lot of people use uh teletext , still use . 1772.65 1775.7 1776.72 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1772.326 1773.27 1772.53 1773.17 No . 1773.17 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1774.463 1782.064 1774.59 1782.064 Yeah , and it's it's on your comp it's on your television . It's only one button . So I don't think it is We definitely should use it . Um 1774.84 1777.04 1777.91 1781.03 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1778.022 1778.73 1778.2 1778.47 Uh . 1778.47 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1778.384 1779.04 1778.42 1779.01 Yeah . 1779.01 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1778.866 1779.709 1779.06 1779.41 Hmm . 1779.41 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1782.924 1787.648 1783.17 1787.59 Yeah , that's uh what I told you . The remote control should only be used for a television . So that's maybe easier . 1783.33 1784.29 1786.39 1787.59 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1788.976 1793.024 1789.0 1792.97 And um the the forty plus people , I already told you . 1792.16 1792.97 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1796.813 1811.616 1796.83 1811.55 Oh no , sorry . Oh , this is a problem . Oh sorry about that . The new product should reach a new market with customers are the younger than forty . So it should be flashy or just more interesting . I'm sorry about that . I just I just didn't read it well . 1797.15 1797.51 1797.69 1798.53 1800.8 1805.21 1809.13 1809.75 1811.55 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1807.101 1807.95 1807.16 1807.88 Okay . 1807.88 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1807.164 1808.971 1807.24 1808.68 Oh . Mm . 1808.4 1808.68 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1808.057 1810.113 1808.28 1809.98 Okay , that's It changes things . 1808.53 1809.98 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1812.864 1816.421 1812.88 1816.421 So does it make some decision about that ? 1816.35 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1814.752 1815.635 1814.82 1815.38 Changes . 1815.38 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1815.949 1820.23 1815.949 1820.1 Yeah . That kinda changes the whole situation . 1817.52 1820.1 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1816.88 1817.776 1816.97 1817.776 Um - TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1818.23 1818.992 1818.42 1818.992 Uh - TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1821.024 1831.44 1821.04 1831.4 Well yeah , then we have to make some nice features . I think uh the thing in the dark is a good way , to make it more like a mobile phone . More modern . 1821.38 1823.48 1828.11 1830.62 1831.4 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1828.379 1829.525 1828.49 1829.46 That still stays . 1829.46 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1830.368 1831.075 1830.5 1830.93 Yeah . 1830.93 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1831.59 1832.298 1831.71 1832.02 Yeah . 1832.02 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1832.814 1834.972 1832.94 1834.972 That's important I think and - TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1834.485 1837.923 1834.67 1837.76 L_C_D_ doesn't work for uh twelve and a half Euros I think . 1837.76 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1837.963 1844.191 1838.09 1844.07 And I d I don't don't think it's very usable in a remote control , especially when you only have T_V_ functions on it . 1841.7 1844.07 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1843.687 1844.361 1843.79 1844.25 Oh . 1844.25 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1845.469 1846.109 1845.63 1845.89 Yeah . 1845.89 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1845.605 1853.1 1845.72 1853.1 Mm ah I I don't y you'll use it often , because you can see on the television wh what channel you 1850.13 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1845.947 1846.82 1845.97 1846.82 So - TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1851.766 1857.017 1851.81 1857.017 Oh , I'm watching uh the channel one . Okay . No , it's not 1852.27 1854.7 1856.09 1856.3 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1855.264 1863.809 1855.264 1863.65 Yeah , I tho I think that's not usable . So , but uh Yeah . What other features can we put in ? 1856.54 1859.47 1859.69 1861.26 1863.65 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1858.022 1858.865 1858.29 1858.73 No . 1858.73 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1864.033 1880.653 1864.23 1880.47 Yeah . I think you you have to make it a bit flashy and and popular . And uh then the usability is not that required , because the Like in the mobile phones , usability is not that good I think . 1865.62 1871.44 1875.88 1878.49 1880.47 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1879.388 1895.438 1879.53 1895.34 But uh some of you had uh something to read about um uh speech uh recognition . About you said one and the television turns on one . Is that reachable maybe ? That's very That's fancy . That's cool . Twelve and you've got twelve . 1885.94 1888.55 1890.8 1892.1 1893.38 1895.34 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1890.876 1891.955 1891.14 1891.955 I didn't read - TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1892.752 1894.492 1892.82 1894.33 It's very fashion . 1894.33 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1893.296 1895.936 1893.32 1895.9 I didn't read any b Yeah . Yeah okay . 1895.31 1895.9 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1896.72 1897.67 1896.8 1897.59 Mm . 1897.59 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1896.651 1903.494 1896.84 1903.27 Only the numbers , only numbers . Uh furthermore nothing . But only the numbers , one to twenty or something . That should be cool . 1897.6 1898.42 1899.36 1900.31 1902.49 1903.27 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1896.775 1897.955 1897.06 1897.63 I I know . 1897.63 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1902.169 1902.708 1902.33 1902.52 Mm . 1902.52 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1903.424 1905.391 1903.44 1905.19 Yeah , maybe we have to integrate that as well . 1903.62 1905.19 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1906.352 1908.121 1906.37 1908.121 If it's possible . But 1907.69 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1907.272 1909.969 1907.39 1909.73 If it's possible , I dunno . I didn't read it . 1908.19 1908.64 1909.73 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1908.101 1909.584 1908.29 1909.11 Yeah , I don't know . 1908.56 1909.11 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1908.86 1913.548 1908.97 1913.26 I don't think it's very expensive actually . Why should it ? You only have a microphone in it . 1911.04 1912.14 1913.26 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1909.367 1910.003 1909.61 1909.69 Mm . 1909.69 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1911.519 1915.705 1911.55 1915.58 Uh if i if i I didn't have information about that . 1915.58 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1911.537 1913.159 1911.59 1913.159 Yeah , I think it's 1912.04 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1913.526 1920.237 1913.63 1920.237 Yeah . But it has to work . And and and does it have to work only in English , or in Dutch too or 1914.46 1915.69 1918.19 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1919.429 1920.272 1919.54 1920.272 Nah , maybe 1919.74 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1920.216 1921.834 1920.33 1921.834 Ah that's a problem , but 1921.41 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1922.092 1925.29 1922.21 1925.17 And and uh w Yeah ? 1925.17 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1922.946 1925.508 1923.13 1925.07 Uh only in English . Only in English I think . 1924.12 1925.07 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1924.071 1932.002 1924.1 1931.8 What But uh I dunno how that works then . Uh does your uh Does it lie in the centre of the room and can you scream from wherever 1926.29 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1927.447 1930.346 1927.66 1930.346 Yeah , it's probably my job to figure that out , but 1927.83 1929.76 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1932.746 1933.791 1933.02 1933.791 No , that 1933.24 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1932.904 1935.276 1933.04 1935.19 uh one to have in channel one ? 1935.19 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1934.562 1940.094 1934.66 1939.89 Yeah , then th we have to think about that . But do do we do it ? It's more if we if we do it . 1934.85 1936.35 1937.81 1939.89 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1937.915 1942.327 1938.11 1942.18 Yeah , I dunno . So , is it very usable ? That's what I'm looking at . 1938.38 1938.94 1939.94 1941.02 1942.18 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1942.48 1946.05 1942.62 1946.05 And and do you have to speak in in like in a thing or - TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1944.796 1945.493 1944.85 1945.21 Yeah . 1945.21 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1946.512 1947.401 1946.53 1947.401 Is - TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1946.67 1951.857 1946.81 1951.857 Maybe maybe it's too hard to uh to realise that . It We have short time to to put it on the market , so that 1949.02 1951.46 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1948.926 1950.432 1949.4 1950.13 Yeah , I dunno . 1949.73 1950.13 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1952.416 1953.341 1952.44 1952.72 Okay . 1952.72 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1952.767 1955.363 1952.85 1955.11 We have to do a lot of testing before we can do that . 1955.11 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1952.824 1953.838 1952.85 1953.838 Mm Yeah well - TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1955.657 1957.14 1955.78 1957.14 Yeah , I think so . 1956.15 1956.99 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1956.928 1960.561 1956.95 1960.561 We make uh make uh , we can make th th the new remote control very flashy . 1957.78 1960.15 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1956.891 1957.993 1956.97 1957.993 Yeah , and uh and uh 1957.11 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1957.917 1958.456 1958.08 1958.456 It's - TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1959.784 1965.717 1960.03 1965.53 In uh indeed uh the languages are a difficult thing . Uh because we we have a lot of languages . 1962.64 1965.53 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1963.232 1972.112 1963.25 1972.02 I d Yeah . I don't think it's uh useful enough to take the effort to design something with uh speech recognition . 1964.44 1972.02 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1963.121 1963.795 1963.34 1963.49 Yeah . 1963.49 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1964.765 1965.708 1964.92 1965.708 And and - TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1972.392 1979.28 1972.48 1979.28 Yeah , and also if if you have a good speech uh speech recognition , you can just throw the uh 1972.66 1975.9 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 1972.357 1973.874 1972.55 1973.64 Yeah . I think so . 1972.93 1973.64 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1977.391 1978.155 1977.52 1977.93 Yeah . 1977.93 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1979.093 1985.838 1979.2 1985.838 A uh someone says that uh give me one Coke , and the T_V_ turns uh to one . Yeah , it's not uh 1981.99 1984.33 1984.59 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1980.338 1981.585 1980.55 1981.53 the remote away . 1981.53 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1982.496 1985.697 1982.52 1985.56 Mm . Hmm . Mm . Yeah , okay . 1983.27 1984.17 1985.1 1985.29 1985.56 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1984.766 1992.681 1984.86 1992.681 Yeah . Well yeah , that's the right command . And then you have to say uh T_V_ channel one , or something . Not just one , but 1985.28 1985.68 1986.6 1989.03 1990.89 1992.27 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1986.476 1987.113 1986.61 1987.113 But - TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1990.56 1991.504 1990.58 1991.38 Hmm yeah , 1991.38 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1992.178 1993.493 1992.4 1993.44 T_V_ one . 1993.44 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 1992.252 1997.816 1992.4 1997.61 Okay , but th that becomes your f Uh uh because that's very hard for uh speech recognition . 1992.66 1997.61 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 1998.398 2002.271 1998.45 2002.17 Well I dunno . But I don't think , it just ain't useful enough . 1999.05 2000.32 2002.17 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 1998.38 1999.526 1998.61 1999.16 Yeah . 1999.16 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 2002.501 2003.209 2002.7 2003.04 Mm-hmm . 2003.04 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 2003.088 2020.65 2003.11 2020.42 So we have to make some decisions . So you can see on the uh So we have to know what we're going to put on . Do we , do we make uh a light under the under the n under the numbers and everything ? Do If you press something , it lights up for a few seconds , so you can see what other but buttons there are , okay ? 2004.52 2009.65 2010.0 2014.13 2016.14 2018.09 2020.12 2020.42 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 2004.423 2006.479 2004.81 2006.25 Okay , no speech recognition . 2005.16 2006.25 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 2014.099 2015.328 2014.13 2015.07 Yeah , I think so . 2014.44 2015.07 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 2020.377 2021.759 2020.61 2021.22 Yeah , that's good . 2020.86 2021.22 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 2021.334 2021.701 2021.41 2021.6 Yep . 2021.6 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 2021.391 2025.099 2021.55 2025.099 Okay , we just take that one . And what else , we have 2021.75 2023.67 2024.33 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 2024.736 2027.008 2024.76 2027.008 Also the one in the dark . So uh 2026.14 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 2027.939 2030.299 2028.11 2030.299 It lights up when it's dark ? I didn't 2029.76 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 2029.551 2035.016 2029.61 2034.61 Yeah , but it's Oh th I thought would , that that would be the same . If you push something , it it all lights up . 2029.79 2031.16 2032.45 2033.85 2034.61 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 2032.566 2033.333 2032.69 2033.16 Okay . 2033.16 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 2032.975 2046.526 2033.13 2046.36 Yeah . Yeah yeah , it it mustn't work all the time . It uh uh it have to work only when you use it . So if you No , if you use one button , it must turn uh on for twenty seconds , and then it must turn off . 2033.75 2034.16 2036.44 2038.96 2041.12 2042.49 2045.03 2046.36 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 2033.83 2035.2 2033.91 2035.2 Yeah , but um 2034.06 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 2036.367 2037.665 2036.4 2037.41 Yes , that's what I mean . 2036.78 2037.41 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 2039.134 2041.022 2039.26 2040.77 Or you can switch it on or something . 2040.77 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 2041.044 2042.602 2041.08 2042.33 Or maybe when you yeah . 2042.33 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 2043.373 2044.689 2043.5 2044.36 It lights up all . 2044.36 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 2044.45 2048.962 2044.56 2048.88 Yeah , that's right . You have to Yeah , that's right . That's what I said . It's the same as the telephone . Yeah . 2044.86 2045.27 2046.13 2046.52 2047.04 2048.46 2048.88 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 2046.751 2048.992 2046.82 2048.95 Okay yeah . D Yeah , alright . Yeah . 2047.32 2048.42 2048.83 2048.95 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 2051.128 2061.712 2051.25 2061.59 And do we use a a Uh what's it called ? Like a iMac , if you can look through it . Or just a normal remote control . 2055.23 2056.84 2058.59 2061.59 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 2060.434 2067.117 2060.52 2067.08 Maybe just as an option , w like we discussed , like iPod . Different colours , uh maybe use even different fonts . 2062.04 2063.21 2064.45 2065.39 2067.08 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 2060.369 2062.762 2060.55 2062.66 Mm , maybe it's a good idea . 2060.98 2062.66 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 2067.603 2068.117 2067.72 2067.93 Yeah . 2067.93 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 2067.626 2068.699 2067.74 2068.43 Oh yeah . 2068.43 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 2068.134 2069.316 2068.2 2069.1 Like uh phones . 2069.1 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 2069.52 2073.712 2069.54 2073.35 Different colours . Okay , so y you just make it th through You look through it ? Okay . 2070.25 2070.54 2073.09 2073.35 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 2070.422 2071.265 2070.54 2071.1 Hmm . 2071.1 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 2070.587 2073.587 2070.86 2073.3 A see-through . Mm , that's cool . 2072.05 2072.55 2073.3 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 2072.464 2074.626 2072.54 2074.57 Yeah . Uh as an option maybe . 2073.08 2074.57 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 2075.307 2084.838 2075.39 2084.74 And so the buttons we have , this is , yeah , this is normal . We put in the the simple buttons on the top , and probably the the the more complicated buttons down there . 2077.01 2077.3 2077.57 2078.85 2081.06 2084.74 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 2079.198 2080.209 2079.44 2080.209 It's the standard - TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 2081.593 2083.187 2081.64 2083.187 Yeah , uh 2082.17 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 2083.46 2085.752 2083.48 2085.58 But you have You had a lot of different buttons . 2085.58 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 2083.816 2088.006 2083.88 2087.87 Yeah , we but we don't We don't really have any complicated buttons . 2084.06 2087.87 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 2085.812 2086.655 2086.05 2086.39 Hmm . 2086.39 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 2086.688 2097.108 2086.91 2097.02 Yeah , maybe you have you have to Uh when you use teletec teletext , you can press a green or a red button to go to the next one , or to go to the previous one . 2087.12 2091.0 2094.99 2097.02 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 2093.741 2094.749 2093.82 2094.749 Yeah okay , but 2094.38 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 2095.743 2102.88 2095.82 2102.88 Yeah , well w I think the buttons are very easy . With just uh standard buttons we just have so little 2096.31 2098.98 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 2101.44 2109.597 2101.7 2109.38 O but maybe you can put um the g the options of teletext on the second level of the remote control . Because you ne almost never use it . 2107.82 2109.38 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 2107.435 2112.88 2107.5 2112.84 No , I don't need don't need Uh teletext options are only four buttons or something . 2107.73 2112.84 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 2113.52 2123.343 2113.67 2123.343 Yeah , but younger people I think um more often use the internet and elderly people often use teletext . So uh 2113.82 2122.79 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 2122.609 2123.586 2122.71 2123.51 Yeah , that's right . 2122.84 2123.51 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 2122.613 2124.199 2122.9 2124.03 I use teletext as well . 2124.03 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 2122.753 2125.776 2123.04 2125.62 No , I use te teletext every day , I think . 2123.55 2125.06 2125.62 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 2125.433 2126.984 2125.72 2126.74 Hmm . Okay . 2126.28 2126.74 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 2126.319 2131.183 2126.44 2130.84 Yeah . For me too , it is . So we just keep it one level then ? Okay . 2126.93 2127.56 2128.57 2130.62 2130.84 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 2130.146 2139.872 2130.21 2139.84 Yeah yeah , one level . And I think , uh 'cause um we don't have that many buttons , I think the design is most important . You can d uh integrate the buttons in the design very much . 2130.61 2131.13 2131.64 2134.83 2137.03 2139.84 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 2130.596 2131.237 2130.85 2130.99 Mm . 2130.99 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 2136.944 2137.669 2136.99 2137.21 Yeah . 2137.21 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 2140.705 2141.194 2140.78 2140.92 Yeah . 2140.92 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 2140.781 2144.084 2140.9 2144.04 'Cause simple buttons . If you put one above it , it's clear . 2142.16 2143.4 2144.04 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 2142.454 2143.048 2142.47 2142.78 Okay . 2142.78 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 2144.148 2144.936 2144.36 2144.63 Okay . 2144.63 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 2146.649 2154.656 2146.77 2154.656 So that's it for toda for We're going to have a lunch lunch break . Um 2153.87 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 2156.573 2157.82 2156.67 2157.69 How long is lunch break ? 2157.69 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 2159.84 2162.424 2159.86 2162.34 So yeah , you know what you have to do . This is uh this is it . 2160.21 2161.13 2162.34 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 2163.469 2165.559 2163.58 2165.559 You get your meal and everything , so 2164.92 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 2165.076 2168.615 2165.32 2168.3 Trendwatching . Okay . That's fine . 2166.4 2167.76 2168.3 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 2166.806 2167.413 2166.97 2167.34 Yeah . 2167.34 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 2175.694 2176.604 2175.89 2176.23 Yo . 2176.23 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 2179.859 2183.264 2179.9 2183.2 So , we're finished for t for this time . We're going to have some lunch . 2180.03 2182.06 2183.2 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 2183.219 2184.163 2183.37 2183.83 Okay . 2183.83 TS3004b B MTD015UID 1 2193.231 2193.897 2193.37 2193.7 Bye . 2193.7 TS3004b A MTD013PM 0 2202.939 2203.688 2203.1 2203.27 Yeah . 2203.27 TS3004b C MTD014ID 2 2202.768 2205.568 2203.12 2203.12 Yeah . 2205.42 TS3004b D MTD016ME 3 2207.68 2209.6 2207.82 2209.05 Mm . Uh . 2208.89 2209.05 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 45.979 46.741 46.06 46.57 Bonjour . 46.57 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 45.954 48.763 46.07 48.52 It's It won't wake up . 48.52 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 51.072 53.043 51.2 53.043 Yeah . I was a bit early . Like 51.38 52.56 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 56.733 57.431 56.81 57.37 Why ? 57.37 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 56.61 60.993 56.85 60.76 What ? No , I just came in . Uh normally I was one of them . 57.61 57.93 58.66 60.76 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 61.28 61.968 61.38 61.79 Okay . 61.79 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 63.841 64.623 63.89 64.53 Come on . 64.53 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 64.139 66.364 64.32 66.06 Check check check check . 66.06 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 64.554 67.097 64.71 67.04 Hello . Oop . 66.58 67.04 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 66.432 67.69 66.45 67.64 Why won't it wake up ? 67.64 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 78.037 78.993 78.2 78.7 Is it on ? 78.7 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 87.516 91.408 87.57 90.98 The power light doesn't work . You turned it off . 90.3 90.98 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 92.016 92.804 92.08 92.54 But how ? 92.54 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 94.81 95.905 94.96 95.77 Ah , there it is . 95.15 95.77 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 95.968 96.825 96.04 96.39 Okay . 96.39 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 97.856 98.776 97.9 98.39 Okay . 98.39 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 98.264 99.208 98.79 98.97 Uh . 98.97 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 99.404 108.736 99.44 108.7 I received an email with uh a few possibilities on uh the materials . So I'll discuss them with you . Yeah . 105.46 108.47 108.7 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 106.848 109.806 106.88 109.71 Okay , we're just going to the later . 107.21 109.71 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 107.167 108.212 107.27 107.92 Okay . 107.92 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 112.176 114.794 112.29 114.74 Yeah , I received an email as well . 112.95 114.74 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 113.599 116.258 113.65 116.13 So we're going to talk about the conceptual model . 116.13 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 115.392 116.336 115.392 115.98 Oh . 115.98 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 130.662 131.538 130.85 131.34 Hmm . 131.34 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 131.648 133.002 131.68 132.67 Which one was mine ? 132.67 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 133.408 138.65 133.43 138.37 So that's me . Uh okay . So Uh okay . 135.95 137.23 138.37 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 141.072 152.735 141.21 152.54 Okay , so I just show you the m the no mm mm the the the the the the minutes , minute . What's it called , I dunno . Whatever . 141.51 149.13 150.02 150.6 151.61 152.54 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 155.033 155.91 155.27 155.81 The minutes . 155.81 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 170.308 174.52 170.38 174.52 Okay , so we just talked about uh Oh you want me to show that there or 170.62 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 174.976 175.83 175.01 175.83 Uh - TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 175.264 176.68 175.42 176.63 No , just tell us . 175.77 176.63 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 175.334 176.547 175.42 176.45 Mm no . 176.45 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 176.224 187.968 176.25 187.968 Okay , we just talked about it looks . Has to look nice . Usability is very important . People don't want to spend money on something that's similar to cheaper ones . Um 176.54 177.59 178.55 180.49 186.88 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 189.143 191.84 189.25 191.77 It has to be very basic , not too many buttons . 190.59 191.77 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 193.344 199.44 193.44 199.41 Light switches on if you use a button . Uh text T_V_ still has to be a possibility . 196.57 199.41 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 201.152 203.344 201.17 203.24 And it has to be easy to learn . 203.24 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 204.263 217.612 204.42 217.44 That were the things I uh make minutes of . And the functions are volume , channel to choose channels , an on-off , a mute uh button , and a text T_V_ button . That are the functions . That right ? 209.31 210.52 212.24 212.92 214.22 215.51 216.99 217.44 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 217.728 218.362 217.75 218.11 Yeah . 218.11 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 218.176 218.86 218.21 218.71 Yes . 218.71 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 218.432 223.556 218.5 223.43 Okay . So I just want to give you uh Mike again , the first uh 219.6 222.64 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 224.432 225.949 224.56 225.949 presentation of your - TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 226.208 227.092 226.23 226.98 Shall I start ? 226.98 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 227.162 227.904 227.27 227.67 Yeah . 227.67 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 236.55 236.922 236.6 236.81 No . 236.81 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 239.232 240.311 239.41 240.311 Okay well - TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 241.187 243.041 241.55 243.041 I received an email - TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 244.928 245.839 245.0 245.51 Okay . 245.51 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 254.256 266.752 254.42 266.69 I searched the web , uh and uh I searched uh on this d document , recent investigation of the remote control market . It has been done in Italy uh Italy and in 256.34 260.19 263.35 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 268.144 290.088 268.2 289.88 uh another country in Europe , I forget it . Uh but uh they found out the most important aspect for remote controls happens to be a fancy look-and-feel , instead of the current functional look and feel . So it's very important for us to create something new . So what Michael just said , it must be uh some very different from ordinary uh remote controls . 270.45 271.86 278.41 280.41 283.45 285.62 289.88 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 290.088 295.38 290.14 294.87 Fancy stands for an original look-and-feel of the case and interface . 294.87 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 295.38 310.464 296.23 310.43 Uh this uh aspect is the most important one . Uh it came out of the research . It uh is twice important as the following . The second uh most important aspect is that a remote control should it uh technological innovative . 298.81 300.96 304.2 310.43 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 310.464 326.578 311.03 326.14 Uh that stands for uh uh new technical uh features . And then uh that uh This is a point of discussion , because we just decided that we don't make use of uh L_C_D_ or uh speech recognition . 314.99 319.22 326.14 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 326.48 327.066 326.52 326.74 Hmm . 326.74 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 326.578 338.336 326.65 338.23 But um this is the second uh important uh aspect , and I think uh we must use some of the new technology , to be uh innovative . 331.69 336.54 338.23 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 338.179 340.808 338.27 340.808 But we already have the flashing flashing light on the - TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 340.435 352.205 340.435 352.06 Uh maybe maybe something new . We have to discuss about it s uh Okay , uh features not uh do not exist in current remote controls . And that's very hard I think . 342.69 346.86 350.5 352.06 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 341.398 342.753 341.48 342.54 Yeah , more . 342.09 342.54 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 342.744 343.502 342.79 343.12 Hmm . 343.12 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 343.908 346.796 343.98 346.59 Well , I'll I'll get back on it . 344.44 346.59 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 344.28 345.021 344.41 344.77 Okay . 344.77 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 352.205 370.082 353.08 369.82 Uh the third one is the aspect of the remote control should be easy to use . But uh that was an overall uh point . We already discussed that . Um I've got one picture . Uh d our our target group uh we thought about was young and trendy . 357.15 360.1 362.4 366.08 369.82 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 369.877 370.753 370.09 370.4 Yeah . 370.4 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 370.082 383.767 370.76 383.53 So I took uh that part of the webpage . And it says uh fashion-watchers of uh uh Pari uh France and uh Italy , yeah , uh have detected the following trends . 374.3 380.54 380.65 383.53 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 383.767 406.848 384.36 406.81 This trends I th uh trend I think it's not um that meaningful for us , maybe . But it's about uh clothes and shoes . But the uh the next uh aspect also in contrast to last year , the feel of material is expe uh uh is expected to be spongy . But spongy , what what does spongy says ? Spongy . 390.24 390.76 394.42 398.19 402.83 403.95 406.36 406.81 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 394.648 395.322 394.77 394.94 Hmm . 394.94 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 402.665 403.44 402.78 403.22 Spongy . 403.22 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 405.36 406.192 405.38 406.07 Spongy . 406.07 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 405.875 407.662 406.12 407.48 Spongy , like sponge . 406.78 407.48 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 408.736 409.941 408.77 409.941 Okay . 409.68 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 409.664 411.085 409.69 411.05 So rubber , kind of . 410.5 411.05 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 410.731 412.583 410.86 412.54 Uh soft materials . 412.54 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 412.095 412.566 412.13 412.41 Yeah . 412.41 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 412.199 421.216 412.36 421.07 But maybe th that's al definitely a good idea , because you've you're you drop y your remote control very often on the ground . So it has to be flexible . 414.97 419.14 421.07 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 418.854 420.77 418.91 420.52 Yeah , but Yeah . 419.38 420.52 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 419.762 428.635 419.88 428.5 Yeah . Yeah , it's something that uh it stand there . But I didn't knew uh knew what it means . So spongy means y Yeah . 421.27 421.49 423.19 425.91 428.5 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 427.84 428.72 427.89 428.69 It's like a sponge . 428.69 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 428.704 430.313 428.72 430.07 Soft , sponge . 429.57 430.07 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 430.432 432.154 430.45 431.95 So it's also a stress-ball . 431.95 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 432.488 440.096 432.68 440.06 That's a good That's a good idea . If it's de like that . That's good , a good idea . Is it a bit like like the the the the remote control ? 433.89 435.01 435.45 436.4 440.06 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 432.96 434.611 432.98 434.611 Yeah , somewhat like 433.58 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 434.981 437.579 435.12 437.35 Yeah , but Yeah . How are you gonna make it ? 435.49 436.25 437.35 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 441.032 442.043 441.31 442.01 R_ soft . 442.01 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 441.888 443.071 442.0 443.071 Uh - TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 442.464 448.471 442.48 448.35 Yeah , I've some uh material uh information , but I'll give you it later in my presentation . 442.78 445.24 448.35 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 446.748 447.388 446.87 447.33 Okay . 447.33 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 448.208 449.239 448.24 449.07 Okay ? 449.07 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 450.144 459.048 450.26 458.89 What do I think ? Uh because a fancy look is the most important thing uh for remote control uh control , I think about changeable fronts . 451.97 457.16 458.89 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 459.928 460.636 460.08 460.59 Yeah . 460.59 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 460.016 469.333 460.11 468.93 Uh maybe a see-through one in a a fruit front . Because it's uh it's hot . And uh some basic uh colour fronts . 463.86 465.84 468.93 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 469.333 492.519 469.333 492.31 Uh so we can make uh five different fronts to start with or something . Uh maybe an extraordinary shape , like a sponge . Uh or uh , yeah , just another shape than a normal uh remote control ha uh has . Just uh something round in it , or uh maybe not uh not uh Yeah , I dun dunno . We have to discuss about that . 474.64 476.67 479.49 480.31 480.68 484.32 486.92 490.2 491.05 492.31 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 484.352 485.127 484.57 484.77 Yeah . 484.77 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 492.519 504.89 492.87 504.75 Uh y yeah . Main point uh still uh is the technolo technological innovative . Yeah , how do we do that ? Maybe speech ? We ma must have some kind of gadget . 494.16 500.08 500.3 501.35 502.85 504.75 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 505.028 506.713 505.21 506.42 Yeah , I'll get back on that . 505.7 506.42 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 507.856 508.48 507.88 508.48 So - TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 507.872 508.545 507.89 508.31 Hmm . 508.31 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 508.864 516.044 508.864 515.98 It's very uh difficult to to to do it . Because it's only twelve and a half Euros you have to spend on every remote control . 512.8 515.98 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 511.984 512.808 512.08 512.61 Intro Yeah . 512.61 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 514.735 516.704 514.78 516.67 Yeah , that's the problem . That's the main problem . 515.12 515.93 516.67 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 514.823 518.176 515.03 518.14 Well , I got f also an email from 515.99 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 519.04 519.671 519.06 519.671 So - TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 519.162 521.148 519.24 521.06 the the technology department . 521.06 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 520.751 523.884 520.82 523.84 Maybe we watch the first uh the next two presentations . 523.84 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 521.992 532.521 522.01 532.521 They have done uh research about it , and uh even more possibilities now with speech . So they recommended using it . Well 523.85 528.25 532.01 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 531.545 532.489 531.7 532.36 Okay . 532.36 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 532.168 532.709 532.27 532.58 Hmm . 532.58 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 532.136 538.17 532.27 537.93 Okay . Uh let's first watch Paul's presentation first then . 533.13 537.93 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 533.108 535.232 533.57 535.07 I'll check what they exact mean . 535.07 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 537.09 538.367 537.12 538.367 So uh - TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 537.856 543.992 537.88 543.9 Yeah , well actually we have don't have an idea how much it's gonna cost . But maybe it's cheap and it's easy to implement . 538.05 541.27 543.9 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 542.64 555.568 542.67 555.51 Yeah , th that's the only problem . I d They don't say how much it will cost , so Um but uh if we implement uh speech recognition , I think it would be better to implement L_C_D_ as well . 542.99 543.96 545.78 552.38 555.51 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 548.97 552.892 549.09 552.892 Oh . It's mass production . So you can say , you can 550.04 551.1 552.23 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 556.688 559.221 556.71 559.08 Since you have to uh configure speech thing . 559.08 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 558.662 561.797 558.83 561.797 But that's definitely more expensive than - TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 560.896 562.688 560.92 562.39 Yeah , that's that's something I dunno . 561.04 562.39 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 563.187 572.304 563.31 572.19 Yeah . But how uh we we're gonna make many of those . So we can start a mass production , and then the cost will still will be . 564.13 566.35 568.53 572.19 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 569.088 578.179 569.11 578.179 Yeah , but a telephone Okay , yeah . But a telephone also have a L_C_D_ and and it's about t two hundred Euros . So uh 569.29 571.25 572.71 577.57 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 574.768 576.373 574.79 576.33 Yeah , so uh we gotta de 575.02 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 578.192 579.441 578.21 579.22 We have to decide on that . 579.22 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 578.546 579.087 578.58 579.0 Yeah . 579.0 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 580.512 581.366 580.54 581.09 Okay . 581.09 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 583.008 583.92 583.03 583.86 That was this ? 583.86 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 584.912 586.221 585.25 586.221 Mm uh - TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 586.096 588.432 586.13 588.432 Oh I got an email uh - TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 589.856 596.896 589.88 596.896 And it says uh the chip can be uh simple , regular or advanced . And 594.72 596.32 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 597.984 598.592 598.0 598.592 Um - TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 601.043 612.928 601.1 612.45 They say uh a display requires an advanced chip . And this is more expensive than all the other chips . So it's m the most expensive . 606.24 610.22 612.45 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 611.157 613.056 611.29 613.056 L_D_C_ doesn't require - TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 613.904 617.566 613.92 617.38 Yeah , it says in the email . The display requires an advanced chip . 614.11 615.4 617.38 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 617.61 619.84 617.68 619.78 Okay . And speech recognition ? 618.54 619.78 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 620.816 626.08 620.84 626.08 Yeah , probably too . I I haven't got anything about speech recognition , but 621.01 622.28 625.75 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 621.92 623.371 621.99 622.97 Advanced . Yeah . 622.77 622.97 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 627.678 629.641 627.78 629.27 I'll I'll give you my design . 629.27 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 628.409 635.128 628.47 634.98 Well it d That's that's the most expensive chip , we need . If we're doing uh if we're doing a display . 631.89 632.52 634.98 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 633.824 636.912 633.85 636.912 Yeah okay . So we Well we can 634.24 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 647.936 648.896 648.09 648.84 I had uh - TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 650.272 659.332 650.29 659.3 to make a sort of a design . So I did some searching on the internet . I watched the old remote controls and news com remote como uh remote controls . 651.9 654.89 659.3 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 659.332 674.317 660.15 674.08 I think we should um This is one of the modern remote controls of the moment . I think we should go more to the iPod and M_P_ three players . Mobile phones . More modern . Y yes . 665.62 670.95 672.41 672.94 674.08 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 670.348 673.449 670.4 673.35 Yeah , just modern modern but still uh basic . 670.72 673.35 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 674.317 692.96 674.34 692.92 Um you probably have to make it a bit bigger and a bit smaller . 'Cause remote con control , you can see it here , you have to bo reach both out both sides . And here you just have one , few buttons . So that's that's the main difference . But looks uh I definitely think we should go like this . 678.79 680.39 681.0 684.15 686.19 687.07 689.41 692.92 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 694.128 697.072 694.15 697.072 And then changeable fonts , so 696.5 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 697.648 698.0 697.67 697.95 Hmm . 697.95 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 698.448 704.8 698.48 704.73 It's the most important part , I think . But And the home base is something like that , something simple . 699.66 700.82 703.87 704.73 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 706.208 715.852 706.23 715.73 Well and then I just ordered the the buttons a bit . Uh basic buttons . On-off , mute . And th maybe two others , I dunno . Text buttons . 709.2 710.17 711.02 712.34 714.1 714.79 715.73 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 714.615 716.975 714.77 716.6 Yeah , maybe the teletext tel 714.88 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 715.852 726.66 716.27 726.43 Yeah , text button , maybe there and there . And then the colour buttons , if we want it on . I don't find it very usable , but it's Uh I don't think it's fits in the the modern theme as well . 716.51 717.01 717.69 718.91 720.68 722.13 726.43 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 722.15 725.181 722.33 725.12 No , I don't uh I don't like it . 722.82 725.12 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 722.3 723.177 722.44 722.87 No . 722.87 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 726.944 727.493 726.96 727.3 Hmm . 727.3 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 726.66 739.103 727.23 739.103 So and then yeah we saw the the pla display , in the the iPod . They can put the basic buttons , one , two , three , four . And uh f above ten . And I think 730.59 732.24 734.01 734.16 734.28 734.51 735.61 738.37 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 738.338 740.096 738.39 740.02 But it That's on on the display . 740.02 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 740.437 746.624 740.5 746.48 No no . That th there is no display there . But it's on the place of the display . And I think we should uh light this up 741.21 742.73 744.79 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 747.728 752.544 747.75 752.51 much more than that part . So the focus is on these two parts . 749.6 752.51 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 749.62 750.294 749.79 750.0 Yeah . 750.0 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 753.125 753.597 753.2 753.35 Yeah . 753.35 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 753.616 756.418 753.64 756.37 So you don't see all the buttons you else need . 756.37 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 755.984 765.597 756.02 765.34 But it sounds very difficult to use . Because um the volume and channel is on the on the the bottom of it . So you can't use your thumb for it . 757.46 763.04 765.34 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 761.977 763.352 762.06 763.352 Uh well um - TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 767.328 770.076 767.35 770.076 This is how it is now . Um 769.23 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 771.168 773.232 771.34 773.2 Here uh Well we have volume . 773.2 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 774.528 776.688 774.56 776.57 I think it is on uh on the bottom too . 776.57 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 774.646 775.657 774.82 775.57 Yeah , down there . 775.11 775.57 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 776.668 778.724 776.82 778.49 But it's not not the best best . 778.49 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 777.392 780.304 777.51 780.23 Yeah . Well here we have also side scrolls . 778.11 780.23 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 781.472 784.001 781.49 784.001 I dunno if we can use that . Do we want to use 783.0 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 781.579 785.16 781.7 785.07 Yeah , okay . Yeah , I've I've got something of that uh too . 782.06 783.0 783.44 785.07 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 782.803 786.545 782.97 786.27 Yeah , for volume . For volume , or a channel . Yeah , why not . 783.19 784.48 785.1 785.8 785.97 786.27 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 785.92 789.12 785.94 789.01 For volume ? Well then we can even simplify it more . 786.37 789.01 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 786.966 787.809 787.03 787.6 Scroll . 787.6 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 790.672 795.424 790.7 795.39 By just putting the volume on the side . And and just channel buttons here . 793.22 795.39 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 793.16 794.475 793.34 794.34 And the channels as well . 794.34 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 795.183 796.059 795.42 795.79 Oh yeah . 795.79 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 796.576 806.752 796.6 806.72 Yeah , or uh maybe uh The channel buttons are often used . And you can't use them now with your thumb , because the thing is not , it's not easy to control . 796.76 800.32 802.1 804.52 806.72 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 796.588 797.982 796.62 797.982 But I think uh - TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 804.518 806.534 804.61 806.534 Well . Yeah , well it's 805.33 805.95 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 808.368 810.526 808.41 810.37 Basically it's it's here . 810.37 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 811.52 818.324 811.54 818.23 Yeah okay , m maybe we cho should put that on top , and buttons we we don't use on , in the bottom . 811.99 814.48 817.73 818.23 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 815.037 816.149 815.17 816.0 Yeah , that's better . 815.48 816.0 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 816.519 817.497 816.68 817.32 They're on top ? 817.32 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 817.757 822.713 817.82 822.51 Yeah , just th th th other buttons like text T_V_ . Put that on the button bottom . 818.18 821.17 822.51 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 823.968 828.475 823.99 828.36 Because uh you can't hold it . You can't hold it th the control and push the buttons . 825.7 828.36 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 824.418 826.895 824.53 826.74 You mean uh these to the low ? 826.74 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 825.919 827.2 826.07 827.07 Mm-hmm . Yeah . 826.76 827.07 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 828.143 830.2 828.36 830.07 Except from the on-off button . 830.07 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 831.024 832.336 831.04 832.27 Oh okay . Well , yeah . 831.69 832.0 832.27 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 832.864 841.648 832.88 841.61 But I I think w you'll use uh the switch channels buttons uh more often than the normal uh channel buttons , like one two three . 840.69 841.61 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 842.784 844.448 842.81 844.33 So maybe we can put that on the bottom . 844.33 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 843.296 844.48 843.33 844.48 Mm - TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 845.6 847.482 845.62 847.482 Maybe . I dunno , but yeah we'll 845.89 846.4 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 849.76 853.393 849.78 853.1 Like zapping is just switching one channel at a time . 853.1 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 852.004 857.744 852.04 857.66 Yeah , maybe it's not easy if it's below . It's harder to zap . So I think uh it should be 852.26 854.17 856.05 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 858.88 860.64 858.9 860.4 should be easy to . 860.4 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 861.648 864.8 861.7 864.73 I think it's pretty standard , these rubber buttons on the top . 862.93 864.73 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 865.2 866.839 865.22 866.839 Yeah okay . That's that's good , but 865.81 866.56 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 865.912 879.424 865.97 879.36 And uh if you don't light 'em up , they don't uh you don't see 'em very good . I think it's modern to light this area up , and to light this area up . So the focus gets on these parts and not on there . 867.74 871.71 874.92 876.21 879.36 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 879.936 880.715 879.96 880.43 Yeah okay . 880.43 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 882.064 887.328 882.08 887.29 But uh the position of course can be different . It's s We have to look uh what's easy to use , and how it's easier to use . 884.25 886.15 887.29 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 887.472 888.063 887.5 887.78 Yeah . 887.78 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 888.496 896.48 888.52 896.45 So we can uh switch these to I dunno if it l will look good , if you put those on t on the bottom half . 893.31 896.45 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 890.861 891.468 890.91 891.16 Hmm . 891.16 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 896.656 903.55 896.69 903.43 No , I think th the the top buttons are okay . They sh Those should be on top . But uh we we can switch those two , yeah . 896.93 900.21 901.34 903.26 903.43 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 900.112 910.581 900.14 910.581 Okay . Yeah , maybe Those two , yeah . And uh , yeah , you have to make sure it's easy to uh Yes , it has to be big enough so you can hold it , right . 901.29 901.48 903.72 904.17 904.99 905.22 907.28 910.11 910.53 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 909.895 910.627 909.95 910.48 Okay . 910.48 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 912.01 934.064 912.05 933.99 Well that's that's my findings . So uh my personal opinion is that we should go more modern look . M_P_ three player . And uh well um if we want to put in speech rec recognition or something , we I don't think we should put it on top then . I think that , if we're gonna put in more technology , that you need to be able to uh switch it open . 913.37 916.57 918.32 926.18 928.49 929.29 931.76 933.99 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 935.456 936.077 935.48 936.02 Yeah . 936.02 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 935.455 936.137 935.52 936.137 To use - TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 935.404 936.685 935.65 936.54 Yeah . Yeah , that's cool . 935.96 936.15 936.54 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 937.04 945.152 937.13 945.12 So if you put in uh speech recognition , you need so more uh many more buttons . Which won't look good on the front side I think . 939.89 942.55 945.12 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 945.382 946.157 945.55 945.92 Okay . 945.92 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 946.08 946.594 946.1 946.36 No . 946.36 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 948.192 950.128 948.21 950.05 So that's something we have to decide on . 950.05 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 950.4 952.224 950.43 951.68 Yeah , we have to keep it simple . 950.67 951.68 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 952.384 952.864 952.4 952.62 Yeah . 952.62 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 952.427 958.123 952.58 957.94 We have to decide this this lecture , or this this this uh fifty minutes , yeah , how it is gonna look . 954.16 956.8 957.11 957.94 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 955.744 957.415 955.76 957.27 What we're gonna do . Okay . 956.88 957.27 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 977.356 979.776 977.5 979.2 Okay , the component design . 977.89 979.2 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 982.48 986.736 982.5 986.7 I looked at uh some similar devices , and uh my own common knowledge . 984.64 986.7 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 989.365 1002.192 989.44 1002.07 So uh this was on the web site . If you aim at a young public , you should use materials that are soft with primary colours like green , blue , red . So 992.34 995.18 1000.26 1000.68 1001.64 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1003.568 1011.616 1003.59 1011.53 flashy kinda colours . Uh shapes should be curved , so round shapes . Not Nothing square-like . 1005.19 1008.15 1009.69 1011.53 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1011.481 1014.346 1011.63 1014.346 Okay , so Hmm , okay . 1011.97 1012.93 1014.19 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1014.23 1020.336 1014.49 1020.3 Yeah well uh iPod is trendy . And it is well curved square . 1017.35 1020.3 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1017.312 1017.979 1017.312 1017.86 Yeah . 1017.86 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 1019.317 1020.497 1019.4 1020.37 Square . Like . 1019.95 1020.37 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1020.752 1028.294 1020.77 1028.16 Yeah , but mm is uh has round corners I think . So we shouldn't have too square corners and that kind of thing . 1021.14 1023.68 1028.16 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1022.811 1025.556 1022.86 1025.556 Okay . So not 1023.38 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1027.104 1030.473 1027.13 1030.34 Yeah okay . Not uh the old uh box look . 1027.61 1030.34 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1029.12 1029.541 1029.18 1029.45 Yeah . 1029.45 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1031.088 1035.328 1031.11 1035.29 And um sports and gaming device style characteristics . 1035.29 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1036.32 1043.168 1036.4 1043.02 I don't know exactly what that means , but it should be , well yeah , popular kind of 1037.89 1039.82 1041.79 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 1044.16 1044.838 1044.2 1044.68 Mm . 1044.68 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1044.496 1045.927 1044.52 1045.46 looking , I think . 1045.07 1045.46 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1044.471 1055.257 1044.62 1055.17 Yeah , we have to put our Real Reaction logo as well on the on the remote control . So the colours also . So we have ha to ma make it in black , black , yellow . 1044.78 1051.22 1052.27 1054.1 1054.7 1055.17 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1049.136 1049.702 1049.16 1049.54 Okay . 1049.54 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1050.742 1052.495 1050.99 1052.495 Mm Yeah , it's 1051.56 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1055.776 1056.342 1055.8 1056.22 Yeah . 1056.22 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1056.24 1057.483 1056.26 1057.483 Black yellow control . 1057.29 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1057.92 1060.987 1058.02 1060.88 Maybe the sides in yellow and the the the top in black . 1060.88 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1058.325 1059.258 1058.44 1059.05 Yeah , mm n 1058.76 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1060.32 1068.294 1060.34 1068.07 Not that weird , because we definitely want to make it kind of flashy , to attract a young public . 1061.75 1066.54 1068.07 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1067.936 1073.36 1068.25 1073.36 Yeah , but uh I don't think the the colours black and yellow go well together . But 1068.47 1073.16 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1074.048 1075.94 1074.08 1075.79 No , okay . That's a that's a sen 1074.2 1074.78 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1073.972 1078.039 1074.15 1077.79 We make i Maybe you can put yellow on the side and black on the on the front . 1077.79 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1078.464 1080.159 1078.48 1080.159 That's just a matter of tastes , but 1079.8 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1080.4 1081.153 1080.42 1080.97 Yeah , okay . 1080.59 1080.97 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1081.072 1084.015 1081.1 1083.8 We have to use uh kind of flashy colours , I think . 1083.45 1083.8 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1083.312 1092.368 1083.33 1092.368 Uh can't we use um different uh fron uh fronts , with all with the the logo on it ? Can we do that ? So 1087.66 1090.66 1091.94 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1090.29 1091.032 1090.49 1090.93 Yeah . 1090.93 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1090.365 1093.668 1090.56 1093.54 Yeah , it's cool . Yep . And still trans 1090.67 1091.38 1092.46 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1091.842 1095.111 1091.9 1095.111 Like fronts in in red and yellow and blue and - TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1093.734 1095.751 1093.87 1095.751 Yes . So 1095.16 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 1094.569 1095.344 1094.78 1095.09 Oh yeah . 1095.09 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1095.152 1096.803 1095.17 1096.54 Still still transparent . 1096.54 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1096.88 1097.571 1096.96 1097.42 Okay . 1097.42 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1097.136 1099.729 1097.16 1099.57 Yeah . But with all with logo on it . 1097.54 1099.57 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1099.432 1100.14 1099.56 1099.99 Okay . 1099.99 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1101.008 1103.76 1101.03 1103.34 Well this is a remote control , a very old one . 1102.53 1103.34 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1105.488 1115.461 1105.57 1115.461 Um Then the components . The case has just a Here's black . But we are making it uh 1109.98 1113.96 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1114.137 1118.25 1114.29 1118.06 Yeah , we make it som Maybe we have to make it from soft material . Uh I'm not sure . 1114.43 1117.02 1118.06 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1117.984 1119.088 1118.0 1118.97 Yeah , I dunno . 1118.28 1118.97 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1118.889 1120.507 1118.889 1119.99 Yeah . 1119.99 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1120.912 1121.87 1120.93 1121.4 Maybe . 1121.4 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1123.648 1127.533 1123.67 1127.39 But anyways uh it should be transparent . We decided that , huh ? S 1125.42 1126.17 1127.22 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1127.049 1136.064 1127.14 1136.03 Well one of the options . You can Just like a mobile phone , you can make um different fronts on it . So you can just replace them I think . 1128.87 1131.37 1134.28 1136.03 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1132.88 1133.728 1132.9 1133.53 Okay . 1133.53 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1136.768 1137.908 1136.79 1137.79 Yeah , we could do that . 1137.0 1137.79 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1137.216 1139.824 1137.24 1139.73 That was the idea , or just uh release one . 1137.96 1139.73 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1138.449 1143.843 1138.63 1143.843 Yeah . Just give five with them , just in a box . Five different 1139.28 1141.15 1142.73 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1142.728 1145.088 1142.77 1145.05 Yeah , uh Or just uh sell different ones . 1142.95 1145.05 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1143.355 1150.607 1143.56 1150.54 Yeah , but y you could you could make 'em uh uh like blue and transparent . So you can still th look through it . 1143.75 1148.92 1150.54 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1149.202 1150.416 1149.38 1150.32 Yeah . Cool . 1149.89 1150.32 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1149.609 1150.548 1149.7 1150.34 Yeah . Yeah . 1150.18 1150.34 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1151.728 1158.186 1151.75 1158.01 Um the buttons . Normal rubber I think . Like normal ordinary buttons . Soft . 1153.79 1155.4 1157.54 1158.01 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1157.424 1159.38 1157.44 1159.38 Yeah , I uh I dunno . A more 1157.67 1158.49 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1157.982 1163.865 1158.15 1163.58 Yeah . It it could be like a Nokia , like plastic . That's better prob Yeah . 1158.79 1160.35 1162.35 1163.58 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 1160.48 1161.968 1160.48 1161.968 Uh uh - TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1160.672 1161.712 1160.69 1161.712 Yeah , just uh 1160.97 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1162.0 1163.62 1162.02 1163.51 With the hard hard buttons . 1163.51 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1163.05 1165.44 1163.13 1165.37 I think uh rubber really has an odd look . 1165.37 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1166.096 1166.605 1166.12 1166.5 Okay . 1166.5 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 1166.066 1178.268 1166.25 1178.23 Yeah . The the the new uh new modern uh remote controls , uh the buttons are part of the uh the style , I think is part of the remote control itself . 1167.46 1172.41 1176.05 1178.23 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1166.193 1166.732 1166.28 1166.6 Yeah . 1166.6 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1177.756 1178.633 1178.13 1178.56 Yeah . 1178.56 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 1178.268 1196.288 1178.3 1196.288 It it's one uh a one uh out of one shape . Uh it's n doesn't Is uh a button uh um How do you say it ? It it didn't it i it don't come out of the on the background . It is in uh the c a remote control uh 1182.49 1189.53 1193.54 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1189.488 1191.326 1189.51 1191.14 Yeah , it's it's all on one level . 1189.68 1191.14 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1192.139 1193.728 1192.18 1193.54 Yeah , on one level . 1192.65 1193.54 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1194.841 1195.448 1195.1 1195.25 Yeah . 1195.25 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1196.48 1197.768 1196.5 1197.48 Yeah , I know what you mean . 1196.77 1197.48 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1199.6 1204.218 1199.62 1203.98 So we have to keep it on the one level . Like th the top it's Yeah . 1201.57 1203.98 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 1201.582 1202.538 1201.81 1202.2 Yeah . 1202.2 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1202.074 1205.216 1202.16 1205.216 Yeah , like mobile phones . Like uh the iPod . Uh just 1202.33 1203.59 1204.7 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1205.136 1206.004 1205.16 1205.86 Yeah , okay . 1205.45 1205.86 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1207.016 1211.184 1207.17 1210.95 Okay , it's chos So that should be hard plastic . Then the buttons ? 1207.39 1210.15 1210.95 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1207.194 1208.104 1207.39 1207.97 Yeah , that's cool . 1207.55 1207.97 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1212.208 1213.664 1212.25 1213.664 I think . Or maybe 1212.68 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1212.704 1215.184 1212.704 1215.184 I dunno what uh kind of material it is . But 1214.9 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1215.52 1222.194 1215.55 1222.0 But maybe you can m make a uh round fluff or soft material . Just only the basic uh 1219.59 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1215.449 1216.131 1215.55 1215.82 Yeah . 1215.82 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1220.656 1221.1 1220.7 1220.94 Oops . 1220.94 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1223.024 1225.376 1223.05 1225.32 basic remote control from normal plastic , and 1225.08 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1225.712 1226.355 1225.81 1226.15 Yeah . 1226.15 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1226.34 1228.127 1226.49 1228.01 the rounds of it from softer s - TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1228.56 1229.355 1228.65 1229.04 Okay . 1229.04 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1229.264 1229.723 1229.39 1229.57 Yeah . 1229.57 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1230.049 1251.326 1230.15 1251.326 And um Then the L_E_D_ . The normal infrared L_E_D_ I think s sufficient . And back light L_E_D_s . So But I think we have to make the case transparent , otherwise the back light won't work . So if you put 1235.18 1241.8 1244.41 1248.4 1250.28 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1231.093 1231.835 1231.24 1231.55 I dunno . 1231.55 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1243.949 1244.522 1244.06 1244.19 Y - TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1244.848 1245.38 1244.88 1245.13 Yeah . 1245.13 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1245.5 1246.275 1245.6 1246.02 Cool . 1246.02 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1250.657 1253.994 1250.71 1253.78 Yeah . Y i if you The numbers could be can be Yeah , that's right . 1251.02 1253.31 1253.78 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1250.65 1253.599 1250.75 1253.54 Uh you can just make them around the buttons uh Yeah . 1253.54 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1253.696 1254.424 1253.72 1254.34 Okay . 1254.34 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1255.36 1256.784 1255.42 1256.784 Or it runs the whole - TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1257.196 1260.857 1257.26 1260.78 Yeah , but we can still make it transparent . So Or no 1257.58 1259.14 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1259.792 1261.006 1259.92 1260.79 They can choose . 1260.79 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1260.064 1264.352 1260.08 1264.29 Yeah , you can halfs transparent , or just that it's comes out a bit . 1260.35 1262.41 1264.29 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1264.56 1269.28 1264.58 1269.28 Yeah okay . Good . And in green colour , the back lights or 1265.85 1266.64 1268.19 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1269.232 1270.992 1269.28 1270.91 Different , I think , also . 1269.85 1270.52 1270.91 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1271.216 1271.615 1271.24 1271.46 Yeah ? 1271.46 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1271.5 1273.556 1271.68 1273.556 Blue . 1272.88 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1272.785 1276.897 1272.9 1276.897 Blue or red . Whatever you want it , I think . Uh depends on the colour of the 1273.98 1274.69 1275.04 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 1273.511 1274.204 1273.511 1274.01 Yeah . 1274.01 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1275.781 1279.657 1276.01 1279.657 Yeah , but you can't choo You can't choose it when you buy it . You have to choose 1276.13 1278.68 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 1276.93 1278.871 1277.03 1278.871 Uh i - TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1278.653 1280.168 1278.74 1280.168 Yeah , that's true . But 1278.9 1279.62 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1279.644 1284.512 1279.78 1284.512 No , but I think there are multiple colour LEDs . So 1279.98 1283.77 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1284.736 1285.994 1284.76 1285.55 Is it Okay . 1285.55 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 1285.109 1288.749 1285.21 1288.749 Yeah , but can you change it if you already bought the the remote control ? You 1285.49 1288.46 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1285.847 1287.292 1285.93 1287.292 I I know I dunno . Is 1286.91 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1287.636 1290.996 1287.72 1290.75 Yeah , it can . 'Cause this a mo mib uh mobile phone as well . 1287.93 1288.48 1290.75 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1288.768 1289.601 1288.79 1289.53 Yeah , okay . 1288.94 1289.53 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1289.899 1293.42 1289.98 1293.42 Maybe it's it's more impor more expensive . I think it's 1292.8 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1291.037 1294.677 1291.15 1294.38 Maybe put some different ones in it . Doesn't matter . It's just No , just some LED . 1292.54 1293.07 1293.69 1294.38 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1293.232 1297.632 1293.25 1297.48 I have the mo mi I have a blinking light on my phone . And I can change the colour of it . 1296.18 1297.48 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1297.677 1301.284 1297.77 1300.86 Okay , cool . Just make it some different colours . Blue , red and green , or something . 1298.04 1298.27 1299.45 1299.69 1300.54 1300.86 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1300.611 1304.773 1300.71 1304.61 Yeah , I dunno . Maybe it's too expensive , but it I th I don't think so . 1300.86 1301.27 1302.3 1304.61 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1303.008 1307.279 1303.12 1307.279 Well , we don't put put in any fancier technology yet . So 1303.75 1307.02 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 1306.8 1307.349 1306.82 1307.19 Hmm . 1307.19 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1307.344 1310.32 1307.37 1310.06 Then uh some more technical things . 1310.06 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1311.403 1331.863 1311.47 1331.81 I don't know what it is , but it should be there I think . Um this is the normal circuit board , like a chip board in in a lot of uh things . W So we d we just need this and this transistors and resonators . There's all these kind of things . 1312.75 1315.84 1319.5 1324.22 1329.96 1331.81 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1323.47 1325.998 1323.62 1325.998 Yeah , we have to hurry up a bit , so 1323.75 1324.69 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1331.863 1342.208 1332.19 1342.208 Um they they basically said that that's almost the same on any uh remote controls . So I guess we j we just need that . I don't know what they do or 1337.28 1340.55 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1333.213 1334.696 1333.24 1334.48 I'm sure we can fit in . 1334.48 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1340.192 1340.662 1340.27 1340.45 Yeah . 1340.45 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 1343.013 1346.397 1343.04 1346.22 Okay yeah , you can you can change Yeah . No . 1343.71 1345.9 1346.22 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1343.024 1344.202 1343.09 1344.202 Yeah okay . We just 1343.54 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1347.809 1356.458 1347.9 1356.37 Nah , but they just said we need it . Uh the battery contacts , like normal batteries ca you can put in . 1348.16 1350.57 1352.7 1356.37 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1350.474 1351.283 1350.52 1351.16 Okay . 1351.16 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1355.8 1357.296 1355.92 1357.25 Yeah , a recharger maybe . 1356.13 1357.25 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1357.28 1358.93 1357.3 1358.93 Yeah , we have to make sure to uh 1357.55 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1357.479 1359.024 1357.58 1359.024 Yeah okay . Yeah but 1358.34 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1358.263 1360.926 1358.43 1360.926 We still want to have a recharger , don't we ? Is that still the 1359.69 1360.04 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1360.016 1360.924 1360.04 1360.79 Yes . Yes . 1360.41 1360.79 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1361.312 1365.952 1361.33 1365.89 Yeah , but it i We don't wanna have a ar an How do you call it ? Accu . 1361.47 1365.51 1365.89 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1366.724 1370.162 1366.95 1369.95 A recha Oh no . Uh Battery . It's just a battery . Yeah . 1368.1 1368.83 1369.73 1369.95 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1367.5 1369.284 1367.61 1369.0 Re recharger . Base station . 1368.41 1369.0 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1367.926 1370.794 1368.0 1370.76 Y uh just just batteries , rechargeable batteries . 1369.71 1370.76 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1369.874 1373.003 1369.98 1372.91 Yeah , batteries . Yes , rechargeable batteries , I think's best . 1370.5 1370.93 1371.22 1372.28 1372.91 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1371.68 1379.328 1371.7 1378.97 Okay . Not a separate Okay . And uh a chip , that's this one . 1372.82 1375.97 1377.78 1378.97 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1374.207 1376.196 1374.44 1375.93 No , just rechargeable batteries . 1374.69 1375.93 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1380.56 1395.546 1380.58 1395.42 Then uh I received some possibilities . Um for the energy source we can use batteries or a kinetic uh Like with the pulse watch . So it operates on your wrist kinda . 1383.83 1392.06 1395.42 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 1392.41 1393.706 1392.58 1393.31 Ah cool . 1393.31 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 1395.105 1395.897 1395.14 1395.64 Okay . 1395.64 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1396.208 1397.992 1396.23 1397.75 So if you hold it , it gets powered . 1397.01 1397.75 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1396.435 1397.489 1396.49 1397.13 If you hold it . 1397.13 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1396.43 1400.879 1396.69 1400.67 But normally you put a remote control on the table or on the couch . 1400.67 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1398.976 1405.392 1399.05 1405.392 Yeah , I don't think it will work , and Or we can also use solar cells . But you mostly use it indoors , so 1399.55 1400.81 1402.75 1404.97 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1403.205 1406.576 1403.35 1406.41 It's dark in the room . No . It's just batteries , that's cheaper . 1404.41 1404.89 1405.58 1406.41 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1406.378 1421.44 1406.43 1421.36 Yeah , and and we can use the home station kind of thing . Um cases , flat , so uncurved . Uh two D_ curved is um like front to the back . And three D_ curved is also in depth . 1406.71 1409.83 1411.95 1413.03 1414.84 1419.29 1421.36 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1408.902 1409.441 1409.01 1409.31 Yeah . 1409.31 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 1421.84 1422.368 1421.86 1422.32 Okay . 1422.32 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1423.25 1435.956 1423.35 1435.88 So that's possible . Uh but with three D_ uh curved uh remote controls , we must use rubber buttons . So we can't use the flat buttons . 1426.96 1431.71 1433.87 1435.88 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1434.14 1437.079 1434.2 1436.99 Mm . So we need uh two D_ . 1435.32 1436.99 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1437.28 1438.336 1437.36 1438.12 Yeah , I think . 1437.68 1438.12 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1437.224 1437.864 1437.47 1437.74 Yeah . 1437.74 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1438.606 1439.449 1438.7 1439.27 Definitely . 1439.27 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1439.456 1442.352 1439.48 1442.32 Um these kinda materials can be used . 1442.32 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1443.325 1445.92 1443.53 1445.73 But it doesn't really matter , we just make it plastic . 1444.48 1445.73 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1445.92 1446.288 1445.95 1446.24 Yeah . 1446.24 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1446.848 1448.464 1446.87 1448.42 Yeah , I think so too . 1447.66 1448.42 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1448.506 1450.63 1448.66 1450.48 The scroll wheels , that's cool . That's for the volume . 1449.3 1449.69 1450.48 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1450.624 1452.944 1450.98 1452.944 Yeah , scroll wheels um 1451.23 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1453.328 1453.632 1453.4 1453.58 Yeah . 1453.58 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1455.232 1461.273 1455.25 1461.24 Yeah , that's good . We can use multiple scroll wheels , w if we want to . But I think just the volume is enough . 1455.94 1456.94 1458.43 1459.2 1461.24 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1459.394 1460.271 1459.58 1459.98 Yeah . 1459.98 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1460.943 1466.067 1460.943 1465.88 Uh For channels it's not handy , because you scroll too fast . 1464.51 1465.88 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1463.608 1464.45 1463.79 1464.1 Okay . 1464.1 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1465.624 1473.638 1465.68 1473.47 And uh the L_C_D_ . So we need uh the expensive , most expensive chip , if we use an L_C_D_ . 1467.32 1470.41 1471.89 1473.47 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 1467.601 1468.377 1467.75 1468.377 Mm - TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1473.037 1479.408 1473.21 1479.13 I don't think that's an opportunity . Just skip it . Because we don't have time for that to to put it in . 1475.08 1476.09 1479.13 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1477.636 1485.312 1477.73 1485.28 Okay , then we we use m must use the second most expensive chip . So th so the regular chip . Because we use scroll wheels . 1478.02 1482.29 1483.91 1485.28 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1485.509 1486.655 1485.63 1486.5 Yeah , okay . 1486.11 1486.5 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1486.012 1486.653 1486.12 1486.47 Okay . 1486.47 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1486.976 1488.48 1487.0 1488.48 And um - TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1489.68 1496.61 1489.73 1496.37 Yeah , that was it I guess . Uh are are we using a a rubber case , or We haven't decided yet . 1490.0 1492.07 1494.27 1496.37 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1490.633 1491.577 1490.76 1491.41 Okay . 1491.41 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1495.075 1498.108 1495.37 1498.108 Oh just sk Maybe you have to skip that one as well . It's 1497.59 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1497.84 1500.148 1497.88 1500.148 Uh I don't think a rubber case looks - TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 1498.692 1513.92 1498.83 1513.86 Uh but we have to do something about the trend . The trend is uh spong spongy uh and uh fruit or fresh fresh . And uh now we have nothing about uh about those those two . 1502.85 1510.73 1513.86 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1499.057 1502.495 1499.16 1502.34 L Yeah , i it it should be soft . You said so ? 1499.64 1501.62 1502.34 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1509.872 1512.37 1509.94 1512.37 Yeah , okay . That Uh fruit and veg , or 1510.18 1510.49 1511.68 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1513.909 1515.931 1513.98 1515.84 Yeah , fruit and veg can be just the covers . 1514.16 1515.84 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 1516.064 1518.214 1516.12 1518.17 Uh yeah i Just Just on front . 1518.17 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1517.012 1524.097 1517.04 1524.02 So you can the the spongy yeah , I dunno . I can't imagine a soft remote control . 1519.81 1520.54 1524.02 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1521.95 1522.59 1522.07 1522.36 No . 1522.36 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 1522.394 1524.931 1522.58 1524.8 Neith uh I don't like it uh neither . 1524.8 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1525.32 1528.084 1525.48 1528.084 No . 1527.82 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1525.956 1527.333 1526.02 1527.1 I just can't imagine it . 1527.1 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1527.136 1530.343 1527.136 1530.13 So just hard plastic ? Okay . 1529.82 1530.13 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1529.062 1529.601 1529.11 1529.41 Yeah . 1529.41 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1529.712 1533.602 1529.9 1533.45 Yeah , I think . Titanium . It's mentioned here uh . 1530.15 1530.94 1532.44 1533.45 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1533.376 1535.712 1533.4 1535.6 Titanium , uh I think it's too expensive . 1533.99 1535.6 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1535.186 1540.287 1535.41 1540.15 But maybe the form has to be a bit different . Not the sh the square form . Just a bit 1537.62 1539.65 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1541.003 1545.788 1541.13 1545.69 Yeah , you can make it curved or mm round . But just in two D_ , not in depth . 1541.33 1543.52 1544.95 1545.69 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1541.332 1543.388 1541.67 1543.29 more rounded . Yeah . 1542.8 1543.29 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1544.863 1545.672 1545.13 1545.35 Yeah . 1545.35 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1546.414 1547.492 1546.61 1547.43 Yeah , that's right . 1546.83 1547.43 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1546.88 1547.997 1546.97 1547.82 Okay . 1547.82 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1556.672 1557.672 1556.69 1557.672 So - TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1560.54 1575.776 1560.68 1575.6 We have to decide which one we're going to choose from these . What exactly . Because we have to know it . So the energy uh is the recharger . We already know that . Just a normal battery . Okay . The chip-on-print is a normal one . 1564.03 1564.72 1566.99 1569.25 1570.19 1571.58 1573.57 1575.6 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1569.83 1571.776 1569.98 1571.7 Yeah . We have batteries . 1570.41 1571.7 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1576.24 1576.716 1576.27 1576.51 Yeah . 1576.51 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1576.538 1577.381 1576.8 1577.22 Regular . 1577.22 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1577.28 1579.403 1577.3 1579.31 Okay , the case is just a plastic one . 1577.61 1579.31 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1578.569 1584.617 1578.72 1584.54 Yeah th yeah , the chip is the the regular one . You have the simple one , regular and advanced . So it's b should be regular uh the second . 1579.11 1580.76 1581.78 1582.75 1584.54 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1580.414 1583.819 1580.52 1583.78 Yeah , re Yeah , regular . Yeah , okay . Yeah , regular . 1580.79 1581.29 1581.95 1582.27 1582.97 1583.23 1583.78 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1584.898 1585.673 1585.1 1585.57 Okay . 1585.57 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1587.558 1589.755 1587.66 1589.7 I think I'll just check it . 1589.7 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1588.493 1593.999 1588.56 1593.999 And we need a plastic case , with a scroll wheel . 1591.49 1593.8 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1594.608 1595.136 1594.63 1595.1 Yes . 1595.1 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1595.718 1596.83 1595.85 1596.59 That's pretty much it . 1596.59 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1596.902 1597.678 1597.01 1597.36 Yeah . 1597.36 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1599.435 1601.05 1599.5 1600.8 User interface concept . 1600.8 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1599.493 1601.439 1599.63 1601.35 And a flashy light . 1601.35 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1605.624 1612.688 1605.67 1612.688 So uh I'm not sure . But we do I don't know if we expected to draw on this one at this moment . But 1607.54 1611.01 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1613.92 1615.107 1613.99 1614.69 I dunno either . 1614.69 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1615.196 1618.486 1615.33 1618.14 Mm . Or should we do it in the next meeting ? 1616.62 1618.14 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1616.984 1622.141 1617.07 1622.08 Uh I_D_ and U_I_D_ work together on prototype drawing on smart board . 1622.08 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1621.709 1624.17 1621.87 1624.13 Yeah . That's for the next one . That's for th 1622.32 1623.63 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1622.208 1623.504 1622.23 1623.47 So we should did it here ? 1623.47 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1623.584 1624.704 1623.6 1624.58 So we're staying here ? 1624.58 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1625.056 1626.867 1625.08 1626.72 Or should we do it in the next meeting ? 1626.72 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1625.451 1628.08 1625.51 1627.99 Uh that I think that's the next next meeting . 1627.99 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1627.968 1628.713 1627.99 1628.51 Okay . 1628.51 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1629.371 1633.504 1629.49 1633.504 But you definitely get a specific instruction . 1632.55 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1632.274 1635.489 1632.33 1635.33 Okay , so now we're ka thirty minutes alone again ? 1632.61 1635.33 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1632.728 1633.24 1632.8 1633.16 Yeah . 1633.16 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1636.584 1640.769 1636.74 1640.769 But th think about something that's more rounded . Just And more 1639.62 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1641.569 1646.423 1641.63 1646.23 Yeah , uh I dunno . But the iPod and etcetera , M_P_ three players , mobile phones . 1641.98 1642.6 1644.63 1645.48 1646.23 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1641.674 1642.787 1641.99 1642.787 It has to be - TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1646.225 1649.056 1646.4 1648.75 Uh a bit . Just just on the top or on the bottom . 1646.95 1648.75 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1647.802 1652.794 1647.94 1652.74 Just a bit cur Okay , I'll see if I can see any of those . 1649.63 1652.74 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1652.665 1658.193 1652.81 1658.193 Maybe the wheel can be uh like uh like this . O um if you draw it like this , you get a 1654.95 1657.6 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1660.519 1661.867 1660.65 1661.33 What the fuck is it ? 1661.33 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1664.64 1666.216 1664.67 1666.216 Okay . Mm 1665.51 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1667.631 1672.519 1667.79 1672.519 Doesn't work . You see what I mean ? If I draw here 1669.58 1670.91 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1673.328 1673.754 1673.35 1673.68 What ? 1673.68 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1674.347 1679.472 1674.46 1679.15 It draws about four centimetres lower than Nah okay . Just . 1678.69 1679.15 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1676.25 1676.711 1676.31 1676.67 Oh . 1676.67 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1678.32 1678.912 1678.36 1678.71 Okay . 1678.71 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1680.886 1682.437 1681.09 1682.37 Maybe you can make it like this . 1682.37 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1686.832 1698.583 1686.96 1698.31 And this is all the wheel for volume . So that you just um It's all rounded , so you can do uh turn this one . Yeah , but just not on the top , but uh on the side of it . 1688.91 1692.33 1695.32 1695.48 1696.73 1698.31 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1693.554 1696.421 1693.64 1696.421 Like a very big scroll-wheel . 1696.23 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1698.672 1699.455 1698.69 1699.34 Okay . 1699.34 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1700.01 1701.426 1700.12 1701.19 Maybe , I dunno . 1700.83 1701.19 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1701.888 1702.488 1701.91 1702.24 Hmm . 1702.24 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1703.213 1706.246 1703.28 1705.98 Okay , so we have this at the moment . 1703.63 1705.98 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1706.149 1712.9 1706.24 1712.84 I think uh you'll get a a lot of uh volume changing when it's not wanted . 1712.84 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1711.456 1713.032 1711.48 1712.85 Yeah , you Yeah . 1711.79 1712.85 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1712.685 1714.909 1712.8 1714.77 Okay , so we'd have this . Is that okay ? 1713.12 1714.27 1714.77 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1714.847 1725.701 1714.91 1725.37 Yeah . I think it's probably better . Yeah , but maybe we can make a a plastic , so that you i if you like drop it , it won't change the volume . Only if you use your finger . 1715.46 1717.77 1718.25 1720.51 1722.92 1724.13 1725.37 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1715.344 1717.115 1715.37 1717.05 Yeah , that's a little problem , of course , as well . 1715.53 1716.23 1716.67 1717.05 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1716.928 1718.178 1716.95 1718.178 And - TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1724.0 1726.4 1724.02 1726.4 Yeah , maybe you just have to make it uh 1724.21 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1727.984 1729.875 1728.01 1729.67 That's not scrollable too easy . 1729.67 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1730.084 1733.489 1730.24 1733.35 Like this . And uh what's the channel choose ? Where do we uh put that ? 1730.61 1732.34 1733.35 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1734.704 1735.744 1734.72 1735.58 I think in middle . 1735.58 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1735.006 1736.286 1735.15 1736.286 Still on the bottom or - TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1736.32 1738.448 1736.4 1738.37 Uh wh what is the middle part ? 1738.37 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1738.624 1739.632 1738.64 1739.58 That's the numbers . 1739.58 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1740.071 1744.313 1740.23 1744.21 Uh I think th the numbers should be in the bottom , and and the switch channel in the middle . 1742.33 1744.21 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1740.295 1741.471 1740.41 1741.38 Numbers , okay . 1740.8 1741.38 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1744.112 1745.313 1744.16 1745.16 Yeah , I agree as well . 1744.46 1745.16 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1746.352 1747.7 1746.37 1747.09 Use the dz - TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1746.554 1757.552 1746.84 1757.52 It doesn't make a difference , if you put the s uh the switch channels on side of each other or on top of each other . Because you already have the volume here , so You can also put it here one butt and the other one there . 1747.82 1752.99 1754.5 1757.52 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1758.544 1766.48 1758.56 1766.45 Next to each other . back and forth . So you can also can put it all on the top , and this , you keep this empty . Because you have to hold it as well . 1760.12 1761.37 1762.94 1763.93 1764.79 1766.45 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1759.43 1761.015 1759.54 1760.64 Yeah , that's right . 1760.06 1760.64 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1766.596 1773.747 1766.63 1773.61 Or you could do the switch channel up button above the the numbers and switch channel down button below . 1773.61 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1772.99 1775.687 1773.08 1775.687 But that's not want to zap very quick , so 1775.15 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1775.536 1780.206 1775.56 1780.206 Yeah , I think uh zapping is the highest priority . And then you use those uh 1775.89 1778.1 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1775.69 1776.452 1775.76 1776.3 Yeah , okay . 1776.06 1776.3 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1776.54 1777.079 1776.67 1776.89 Yeah ? 1776.89 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1779.506 1782.405 1779.59 1782.405 Is this a opportunity , or you don't want a different 1780.58 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1781.635 1782.848 1781.75 1782.75 Yeah , of course uh . 1782.02 1782.75 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1782.967 1787.072 1783.04 1787.072 Uh but I think we we should bu uh put 'em on top of each other , so 1786.7 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1787.616 1788.192 1787.82 1788.11 Why ? 1788.11 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1788.659 1794.558 1788.78 1794.558 Because then it's it's easy to know m if I push the the the up - TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1793.472 1796.5 1793.49 1796.5 But still the next It's still the next one . Doesn't make 1795.86 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1795.712 1802.772 1795.73 1802.772 Yeah , but the top the top button is is like you switch channel up , and down button is If you put them 1795.9 1799.91 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1800.895 1805.088 1801.02 1804.96 Yeah , but fo from left to right is exactly the same . It ma it doesn't make a big difference . 1801.26 1803.61 1804.96 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1803.335 1805.344 1803.45 1805.344 Yeah . I I think it's 1804.24 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1805.824 1813.997 1806.24 1813.88 But uh but I I think uh left to right is more often associated with volume , and top down is more with uh channel changing . 1810.69 1813.88 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1806.249 1807.894 1806.3 1807.56 It's it's obvious , I think . 1807.29 1807.56 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 1813.033 1819.472 1813.09 1819.4 Yeah , that's not not It's not al uh always the same . Every remote control's uh different . 1813.42 1816.57 1819.4 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1814.944 1816.186 1814.96 1815.88 But it's exactly th - TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1814.973 1823.392 1815.13 1823.3 In uh On most on most remote controls . So so if we use that , they will probably have a long learning uh time . 1817.89 1819.47 1823.3 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1817.26 1818.222 1817.35 1818.222 Yeah , I think 1817.64 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1823.681 1828.559 1823.72 1828.559 I dunno . I You already have the volume on the side , so you can't make it you can't ma make a mistake . So it's uh 1824.26 1825.96 1827.97 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1824.105 1825.79 1824.19 1825.79 No , uh I think 1824.48 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1827.398 1830.48 1827.45 1830.48 Yeah . I think it's s so simple you just 1828.17 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1829.245 1829.958 1829.34 1829.87 I dunno . 1829.87 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1831.136 1831.91 1831.21 1831.48 Okay . 1831.48 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1831.357 1833.885 1831.43 1833.885 So but that's for that's for you , 'cause it's 1832.94 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1833.216 1835.465 1833.3 1835.38 Yeah , okay I'll d I'll take a look at it . 1833.53 1835.38 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1837.584 1839.009 1837.68 1838.88 Okay , so hmm . 1838.0 1838.88 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1840.48 1842.976 1840.5 1842.94 What did What else we have to discuss about ? I dunno . 1842.57 1842.94 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1844.262 1846.453 1844.38 1846.25 Think we need to work uh thirty minutes again ? 1846.25 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 1850.498 1858.341 1850.56 1858.19 Yeah , we have to care that it r uh looks really new . Because uh we still hold on to the uh ordinary uh 1850.74 1852.74 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 1859.28 1868.243 1859.37 1868.18 uh square uh remote control . 'Cause wha what I see the only difference i i i in fact is that we use a scroll-wheel on the outside . 1862.6 1868.18 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1860.785 1861.594 1861.01 1861.31 Yeah . 1861.31 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1868.112 1869.044 1868.13 1868.71 And the LED . 1868.71 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1868.173 1877.28 1868.31 1877.17 No , you have uh It is Uh the current uh controllers are all black and plastic . You have to look at that image of the iPod . 1868.73 1875.52 1877.17 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1869.152 1872.205 1869.17 1872.205 Yeah , but i i it should be round in in shape . So 1869.3 1871.7 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 1877.828 1879.503 1877.88 1879.35 Yes . Okay . 1878.91 1879.35 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1878.64 1880.704 1878.66 1880.67 More that uh kind of style . 1880.67 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 1880.624 1882.207 1880.77 1882.207 And a bit uh - TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1881.559 1883.712 1881.66 1883.712 Not not the old grey black - TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1882.841 1884.493 1883.17 1884.34 Uh Yeah . 1884.34 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 1883.293 1888.303 1883.48 1888.303 Some some kind of bling bling uh mm can we have - TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1886.944 1893.36 1886.96 1893.29 Where you can put a ve Uh we have If we do it like that we have below have we uh a lot of room to put a nice logo . 1893.29 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1893.763 1896.459 1893.88 1896.21 Yeah . Uh the logo was has to be on there . Yeah , that's right . 1894.11 1895.64 1895.79 1896.21 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 1896.192 1902.657 1896.21 1902.657 Uh and how many uh fronts uh fronts do we put on the market then ? Uh five or something ? Or more or 1900.61 1901.77 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1901.604 1903.592 1901.7 1903.19 Yeah , five . Let's give five . 1902.03 1902.64 1903.19 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1904.928 1906.997 1904.95 1906.997 Maybe you can buy separate ones and uh - TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 1906.098 1916.352 1906.38 1916.28 And um uh uh buy the product . You buy , you get one . And uh basic . Or you can choose one uh if you buy the project . 1909.43 1910.05 1911.52 1913.19 1916.28 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1913.234 1915.998 1913.43 1915.91 Yeah . Um I think Yeah . 1913.8 1915.91 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1916.523 1918.397 1916.68 1918.397 No , tha that will be 1917.03 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1916.75 1918.409 1916.9 1918.34 That's your choice , I think huh . 1917.61 1918.34 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1918.208 1925.92 1918.23 1925.88 So y you can put the bottom of the remote control in recharger ? Is that is that a good good opportunity ? So you could put it like that , okay . 1922.15 1924.43 1925.56 1925.88 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1923.792 1924.458 1923.81 1924.41 Yes . 1924.41 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1924.304 1926.857 1924.32 1926.68 Yeah , so top down . Hmm ? 1924.57 1926.51 1926.68 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 1927.056 1930.576 1927.08 1930.54 Yeah , you sl uh you let it slide in the docking station . 1927.28 1930.54 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1931.664 1933.531 1931.68 1933.32 Do we have to design that w as well ? 1933.32 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 1933.028 1934.064 1933.12 1934.064 Yeah . 1933.95 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1933.984 1935.312 1934.12 1935.24 Uh I'm not sure . 1935.24 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1934.51 1935.536 1934.55 1935.49 The docking station ? 1935.49 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1936.144 1937.436 1936.16 1937.08 Yeah , I think so . 1936.45 1937.08 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1938.48 1938.815 1938.5 1938.76 Hmm . 1938.76 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 1941.392 1942.23 1941.41 1941.92 Yeah , we can b 1941.59 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1941.459 1943.408 1941.68 1943.34 But th Yeah , that can be very simple . 1942.25 1943.34 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1944.464 1945.256 1944.6 1944.96 Least . 1944.96 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 1944.832 1949.008 1944.99 1948.91 It c it could be just just a square , just a packet . 1947.7 1948.91 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1945.856 1947.746 1945.91 1947.5 Yeah , just a recharger . 1946.41 1947.5 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1947.891 1950.721 1947.97 1950.55 Yeah , just where you're around something . 1948.47 1950.55 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1952.624 1954.362 1952.65 1954.11 Li Yeah , we had one example . 1953.12 1954.11 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1955.616 1961.804 1955.64 1961.53 But we have to make contacts on the on the remote control and the recharger as well . 1961.53 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1963.28 1964.896 1963.31 1964.82 Mm . Mm . 1964.65 1964.82 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 1965.376 1968.721 1965.4 1968.6 Yeah , but that's a round one . Maybe we can choose then . 1965.83 1966.98 1968.6 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1966.092 1967.204 1966.32 1966.74 Which w - TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1970.496 1973.474 1970.52 1973.35 Here you see one that's very round . 1973.35 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1974.336 1975.545 1974.36 1975.3 Oh yeah , okay . 1975.05 1975.3 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1975.76 1978.288 1975.78 1978.25 So I think that can be all kind of shapes . 1978.25 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1978.947 1981.509 1979.04 1981.33 But maybe you can just round up the corners a bit . 1981.33 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1982.624 1983.802 1982.65 1983.71 Of the remote control ? 1983.71 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1982.587 1984.003 1982.72 1983.75 That's all . Yeah . 1983.52 1983.75 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 1983.984 1984.432 1984.0 1984.34 Yeah . 1984.34 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 1985.182 1986.288 1985.25 1986.03 Yeah Yeah . 1986.03 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1986.093 1987.61 1986.23 1987.37 Just round it up . 1987.37 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1986.336 1990.992 1986.36 1990.992 Yeah , so y you don't want uh this uh like the iPod . But 1986.65 1990.7 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 1992.112 1993.576 1992.14 1993.47 No . Yeah . Yeah . 1992.73 1993.19 1993.47 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1992.352 1993.104 1992.37 1992.95 More rounded . 1992.95 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 1994.864 2002.488 1994.88 2002.31 Yeah , I think it will just look like more like this one . Since it's This is also rounded . I think i 1995.09 1999.41 2001.81 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 2001.701 2003.284 2001.8 2003.07 No , just just the corners . 2001.99 2003.07 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2003.76 2007.815 2003.78 2007.815 Yeah okay , tho those are al already a bit cornered . Mm 2004.23 2006.36 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 2006.384 2007.088 2006.4 2006.77 Okay . 2006.77 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 2006.884 2015.072 2006.99 2014.98 Yeah , but we can we can do all kinds of uh As long as it isn is in two D_ we can use all kind of round shapes . 2007.16 2014.98 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 2013.594 2014.504 2013.78 2014.33 Shapes . 2014.33 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2015.152 2019.472 2015.17 2019.4 Yeah okay , but then we have to think of something totally new . 2015.7 2019.4 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 2015.901 2016.892 2016.0 2016.85 Not in depth . 2016.85 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 2020.528 2022.896 2020.55 2022.71 Yeah , but Yeah , if if we want to make it 2020.82 2021.55 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 2023.888 2026.246 2023.91 2025.99 kind of , yeah , new . 2025.24 2025.51 2025.99 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2026.864 2032.343 2026.89 2032.14 I've uh I had a lot of picture of old ones . And all curves have already been done . 2029.36 2032.14 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 2037.978 2039.663 2038.29 2039.36 It's a bit annoying , isn't it ? 2038.99 2039.36 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2040.0 2040.448 2040.02 2040.4 Yeah . 2040.4 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2042.155 2048.286 2042.2 2048.16 What do we do wrong ? Hmm . Just just more like this and not uh a square . Okay . 2043.61 2044.35 2047.7 2048.16 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2047.264 2048.528 2047.28 2048.528 Yeah okay , yeah well 2047.91 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 2048.448 2053.072 2048.48 2052.71 Yeah , but we could do a lot of , lot more curving . 2048.7 2051.67 2052.71 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 2054.279 2055.264 2054.37 2055.264 I would do it - TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2056.096 2058.219 2056.12 2058.219 Yeah . I know we can do a lot more , but 2056.74 2057.86 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2058.966 2059.843 2059.1 2059.843 Yeah , it 2059.35 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 2064.832 2066.65 2064.91 2066.65 Like in this kind of shape or - TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2069.088 2072.192 2069.14 2072.15 Uh it's very annoying . Okay . 2071.64 2072.15 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 2072.112 2073.248 2072.21 2072.79 I dunno . 2072.79 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 2074.96 2076.176 2075.09 2076.02 I dunno if it's handy . 2076.02 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2077.504 2082.958 2077.504 2082.75 I think it will only look more like the old remote controls . 2082.75 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2079.444 2080.118 2079.62 2080.118 Uh - TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 2083.321 2088.687 2083.45 2088.35 This ? The olden the olden ones had looked like just a square thing . 2084.52 2088.35 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2084.16 2084.542 2084.18 2084.43 Yeah . 2084.43 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2087.848 2091.472 2087.96 2091.44 Yeah okay . But uh I had a lot of pictures Oh I can show you here 2088.4 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2093.232 2095.295 2093.232 2095.13 what the old ones look like . 2095.13 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 2101.84 2102.542 2101.97 2102.21 Mm . 2102.21 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2104.64 2105.728 2104.66 2105.59 Curves , curves . 2105.15 2105.59 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 2106.896 2107.632 2106.93 2107.36 Yeah . 2107.36 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2107.664 2109.824 2107.68 2109.76 You've more there as well . 2109.76 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 2110.144 2111.003 2110.18 2110.84 Yeah , okay . 2110.42 2110.84 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2112.88 2114.451 2112.97 2114.39 It wasn't very small one . 2114.39 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 2115.712 2116.362 2115.83 2116.14 Yeah . 2116.14 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2116.137 2117.687 2116.137 2117.36 very simple . 2117.36 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2119.984 2121.328 2120.07 2121.18 That is for elderly . 2121.18 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 2120.499 2124.173 2120.76 2123.97 So we have to make a decision , what kind of form it's gonna have t going to have . 2121.94 2123.97 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 2125.152 2126.857 2125.39 2126.7 Yeah , I don't know . 2126.14 2126.7 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2130.544 2131.259 2130.57 2131.11 Yeah . 2131.11 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2132.075 2144.702 2132.2 2144.35 I think if w My opinion . If we just uh take the iPod , and the same look . So uh light or just whatever colour , but the same light colours . 2134.75 2137.83 2139.02 2142.94 2144.35 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2137.759 2138.433 2137.95 2138.29 Yeah . 2138.29 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 2144.96 2145.679 2144.99 2145.46 Mm-hmm . 2145.46 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2144.702 2159.584 2145.13 2159.54 And uh just with uh together with uh the back-lights b look will look very new . No rubber buttons or something . Just together with the back-lights you'll get a totally new look . More like the M_P_ three player M_ um P_ M_ P_ three player . 2151.39 2153.54 2156.27 2159.54 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 2158.864 2160.495 2158.864 2160.26 Yeah . 2160.26 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 2160.379 2167.936 2160.49 2167.9 And you have the scroll button inside . Okay . But why do we have to round it on the t bottom then ? Of Skip that one as well . 2162.9 2164.03 2166.55 2167.9 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2162.464 2164.792 2162.48 2164.59 Yes . Just a simple scrollb 2163.12 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2163.006 2163.796 2163.23 2163.58 Yeah . 2163.58 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2168.688 2169.713 2168.71 2169.54 Doesn't have to be . 2169.54 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 2170.096 2171.671 2170.12 2171.48 Okay . Yeah , it's cool . 2170.96 2171.08 2171.48 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 2171.383 2177.792 2171.57 2177.792 Yeah , though that's a trend . If we want to make it . But yeah , I'm not a Trendwatcher , you are . So 2171.84 2173.37 2175.01 2175.4 2176.47 2177.19 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2177.64 2179.408 2177.64 2179.22 Uh the t the trend is - TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 2179.828 2181.278 2180.0 2181.2 Rubber spongy . 2181.2 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2180.869 2183.68 2181.07 2183.4 spongy and fruity . But yeah . 2182.94 2183.4 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2182.943 2185.25 2183.12 2185.25 Yeah . No . Spongy and 2183.62 2184.13 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 2183.611 2185.124 2183.63 2184.9 Spongeball kinda . 2184.9 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2185.378 2189.744 2185.48 2189.744 It's not not a lot of trends I uh I found uh - TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 2188.453 2194.678 2188.66 2194.47 Okay , so we have s still one minute left . So just I think it's okay if you just keep it a bit square . 2188.97 2190.55 2194.47 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2190.848 2191.792 2190.89 2191.792 Uh - TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2195.12 2195.617 2195.16 2195.35 Mm . 2195.35 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 2196.753 2205.39 2196.94 2205.07 Okay . Yeah , I d I don't know n something about ergonomic kind of fits-in-the-hand uh stuff . 2198.37 2198.51 2205.07 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2197.926 2199.206 2197.98 2199.05 It The th th - TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 2202.026 2202.767 2202.31 2202.61 No . 2202.61 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2203.353 2203.791 2203.49 2203.63 Yeah . 2203.63 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 2204.395 2214.623 2204.53 2214.623 But I I think it's still for older people . You j still have older people . It's only annoying if it if it's like that f formed like that , like f Whatever . Just you have a normal 2206.62 2208.4 2211.64 2213.39 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2213.43 2214.343 2213.5 2214.343 There is one - TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 2213.591 2216.036 2213.75 2215.93 Yeah , but we're we're aiming at a young public . 2213.97 2215.93 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2215.264 2228.044 2215.32 2228.044 There's just one overall important aspect is that we must make it fancy and it looks original , and I hope we can uh make it look not like the iPod itself . It must have uh uh uh a very different 2220.91 2225.62 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2226.826 2231.48 2226.88 2231.48 Yeah , idea . But you're If you look at the way remote controls are now 2227.4 2227.81 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2233.152 2234.573 2233.17 2234.08 Yeah , they're all the same . 2233.37 2234.08 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2233.552 2235.458 2233.62 2235.458 And if you make it look like the iPod - TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 2233.748 2248.599 2233.98 2248.25 But i it is it is it is already fancy . Because of the lights on the bottom of it . That's already fancy . Uh maybe maybe make the the mm the wha what's it called uh scroll wheel . Make it in in yellow or something . Just like the colours of Real Reaction . 2236.24 2237.89 2239.04 2244.38 2246.08 2248.25 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2237.58 2241.136 2237.62 2241.136 Yeah okay . So that's already a very big change compared to 2238.19 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 2247.459 2248.145 2247.48 2248.0 Hmm . 2248.0 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2248.368 2250.642 2248.4 2250.642 Ye yeah . Well uh 2249.54 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 2250.403 2251.819 2250.59 2251.63 Yeah , we could do that . 2250.8 2251.63 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2252.08 2252.464 2252.1 2252.37 Could . 2252.37 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2252.64 2258.386 2252.68 2258.34 Uh yeah , but uh if you the f uh front , the scroll wheel will still uh be yellow . 2252.97 2255.11 2258.34 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 2257.328 2257.805 2257.35 2257.67 Yeah . 2257.67 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2257.611 2258.848 2257.86 2258.79 No , I think Oh . 2258.02 2258.79 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 2259.072 2259.861 2259.1 2259.8 It's right . 2259.8 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2260.848 2270.176 2260.87 2270.1 Think the scroll wheel won't be very big . Since if you put it uh somewhere , the chances that it will scroll are too big . So it will just be a small 2264.37 2265.8 2268.76 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 2268.704 2269.131 2268.73 2269.03 Yeah . 2269.03 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2271.456 2275.493 2271.48 2275.46 small scroll wheel . So it won't uh stick out much . 2272.26 2275.46 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 2275.417 2288.529 2275.51 2288.34 Yeah . Maybe the ones we are going to draw there . Maybe we have to ask uh to the the mm to her if it has if it can work better than this . Because it doesn't work properly . 2275.72 2278.29 2286.83 2288.34 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2289.296 2289.733 2289.32 2289.61 No . 2289.61 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 2289.237 2290.416 2289.36 2290.37 So maybe you have to ask her . 2290.37 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2289.406 2293.872 2289.65 2293.82 Yeah okay . Well , maybe we can just open images there , and I'll paint and paint . 2289.98 2290.67 2292.25 2293.82 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 2294.192 2296.484 2294.34 2296.484 Okay . Yeah . That's probably 2295.3 2295.69 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2295.168 2296.534 2295.27 2296.31 I'll be able to do a better job . 2296.31 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2296.512 2298.496 2296.59 2298.44 If you set the pen yeah , he will draw here . 2297.69 2298.44 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2300.976 2301.664 2301.0 2301.5 Doesn't work . 2301.5 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 2301.984 2308.272 2301.984 2307.84 Okay , so just finish it . So we make it a bit like m that one probably . 2303.4 2305.41 2307.84 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2309.312 2311.381 2309.39 2310.91 Yeah , I'll see it . 2310.38 2310.91 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 2309.431 2310.712 2309.64 2310.52 Yeah . Is that okay ? 2309.81 2310.52 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2309.885 2312.754 2310.06 2312.38 Bu Yeah , I agree more like iPod . 2311.01 2312.38 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 2310.834 2311.496 2311.02 2311.24 Yeah . 2311.24 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 2311.516 2319.389 2311.6 2319.3 Okay , only the colour and the flashy light and the We just we just skip the the the voca or was it the the speech recognition . 2311.96 2319.3 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2314.113 2315.848 2314.22 2315.848 Yes . Just a 2315.05 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2318.16 2320.912 2318.18 2320.912 Speech . Yeah , do we s keep that ? Yeah , I think 2319.21 2319.39 2320.23 2320.46 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 2320.891 2323.696 2321.08 2323.66 Or keep that ? It's okay . But you'd definitely need a 2321.67 2322.23 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 2322.558 2330.436 2323.03 2330.436 S Uh yeah , I don't know . Yeah , I think so . And we we have to build in a microphone and 2325.18 2325.82 2326.14 2327.94 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2324.084 2325.839 2324.13 2325.839 Well uh then it w - TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 2324.639 2325.846 2324.7 2325.5 advanced chip . 2325.5 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2325.504 2326.211 2325.54 2326.211 Uh - TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2330.736 2336.908 2330.76 2336.908 Well that's very easy . We already have uh the beeping of the home station , so 2331.85 2336.36 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 2334.816 2340.501 2334.84 2340.501 Yeah , and I do I don't know anything about that . I d I didn't receive any information on speech recognition , so 2335.14 2337.51 2340.14 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2337.525 2338.187 2337.61 2338.02 No . 2338.02 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2338.892 2342.894 2338.91 2342.68 Uh strange that I received the information about that . 2342.68 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2340.534 2342.391 2340.6 2342.391 Oh that's hard . But 2341.88 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 2342.384 2343.076 2342.4 2343.076 So - TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2342.944 2346.368 2343.01 2346.2 Uh the ma the main points I I I uh just said . 2346.2 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2347.856 2354.404 2347.88 2354.404 We have to be original and uh technological innovative . Becau Yeah . But 2352.55 2353.93 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 2353.478 2356.377 2353.59 2356.15 Can we just put it speech recognition in it as well , okay ? 2355.78 2356.15 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2356.0 2357.525 2356.0 2357.39 Ma - TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2356.336 2359.632 2356.38 2359.632 So shall we it open then ? So we can put all the 2358.34 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 2357.826 2358.635 2357.97 2358.43 Yeah . 2358.43 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 2360.051 2361.972 2360.29 2361.84 The function of that in there . Yeah . 2361.45 2361.84 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2361.469 2362.242 2361.5 2362.04 Okay . 2362.04 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 2362.688 2365.856 2362.71 2365.8 And we need a Probably we need a uh advanced chip then . 2365.8 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 2363.266 2363.921 2363.29 2363.79 Fine . 2363.79 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 2366.944 2368.707 2366.97 2368.43 Yeah , we probably do . 2367.5 2368.43 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 2367.467 2369.455 2367.65 2369.35 But it doesn't say anything about it , does it ? 2368.95 2369.35 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2368.175 2368.95 2368.4 2368.76 Yeah . 2368.76 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 2369.776 2370.224 2369.8 2370.06 No . 2370.06 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2370.816 2371.682 2370.88 2371.682 Oh yeah , I 2371.48 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2370.862 2373.232 2371.12 2373.2 But we don't have any f information about the cost . 2373.2 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2373.84 2374.309 2373.87 2374.08 No . 2374.08 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2374.24 2377.344 2374.26 2377.27 We started with information about the cost was now th - TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2375.253 2377.249 2375.29 2377.249 I just I just received the - TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 2375.32 2381.12 2375.62 2380.92 Yeah , uh I have I have some some information about the cost . But just a about the chip . 2375.86 2378.69 2380.92 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2380.263 2380.927 2380.32 2380.83 Yeah . 2380.83 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2382.272 2384.898 2382.31 2384.898 And how much is the chip ? The the the 2383.39 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 2384.377 2385.824 2384.52 2385.824 I don't know how much , but 2385.44 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2385.968 2397.808 2386.0 2397.77 Yeah , our division has developed a new speech recognition feature , the integrated programmable sample sensor simple speaker u unit . This is a very small electronic unit , will give a standard answer after it recognise a question . 2386.2 2389.01 2393.03 2394.82 2397.77 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 2386.912 2388.644 2386.98 2388.644 Just in inexpensive or - TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2397.728 2400.064 2397.75 2400.064 And how how does it work ? Is it 2399.76 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2400.256 2406.576 2400.28 2406.52 Doesn't say . Just You say record , followed by your question sample , and after a few seconds the answer uh sample . 2400.86 2402.3 2403.78 2406.52 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2408.704 2409.392 2408.72 2409.392 Because uh - TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2410.592 2415.472 2410.61 2415.28 So it works like uh good morning remote control , and then the remote control says good morning . 2413.09 2415.28 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 2415.936 2418.989 2416.07 2418.989 It doesn't has to say anything . Just You have to just talk to 2417.56 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2417.488 2420.581 2417.51 2420.28 No . Does it say does it say something back ? 2418.52 2420.28 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2418.57 2426.065 2418.65 2425.96 Yeah uh th that's just It's a No . Yeah , it Well that's integrated in the chip , so if you use the speech recognition , that's in it . 2421.54 2421.7 2423.27 2425.14 2425.96 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 2419.818 2422.11 2419.94 2422.11 Okay , we have to stop it now . So just 2420.21 2421.08 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 2424.335 2427.007 2424.5 2427.007 Okay , that's a r That's that's a advanced 2424.85 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 2425.578 2427.517 2425.84 2427.41 But i it's a separate chip . 2427.41 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2428.464 2432.416 2428.48 2432.36 I dunno , but if we use speech recognition , that will be in it as well . 2428.98 2430.95 2432.36 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2432.688 2433.506 2432.83 2433.3 Okay . 2433.3 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 2435.303 2439.064 2435.46 2438.68 Yeah , I don't know anything about this , but Nah . 2435.68 2437.77 2438.68 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2437.04 2437.392 2437.07 2437.392 Um - TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 2438.016 2441.124 2438.04 2440.72 Yeah , we just decide not to put it in , because it's too difficult . 2438.21 2439.71 2440.72 TS3004c C MTD014ID 2 2441.936 2443.423 2441.97 2442.06 I dunno . 2443.36 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2442.704 2445.456 2442.72 2445.4 Well it it would be would be a good feature feature . 2445.4 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2444.912 2445.472 2444.93 2445.34 Yeah . 2445.34 TS3004c A MTD013PM 0 2445.408 2451.648 2445.43 2451.59 Okay , we just put it in , because it's a good feature . We have to stop now . Okay , just We have to stop it now . 2445.65 2446.41 2448.14 2449.9 2450.34 2451.59 TS3004c B MTD015UID 1 2446.496 2452.337 2446.67 2452.3 Okay . No no worries about the cost , etcetera . And there's a chip in it that will Okay . 2447.65 2449.26 2449.93 2452.3 TS3004c D MTD016ME 3 2452.32 2452.854 2452.34 2452.69 Fine . 2452.69 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 6.664 7.047 6.75 6.88 Oh . 6.88 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 7.112 8.152 7.13 7.95 It's not saved yet . 7.95 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 8.442 8.922 8.49 8.81 Okay . 8.81 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 15.615 16.513 15.65 16.513 So - TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 20.776 21.448 20.89 21.1 Okay . 21.1 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 26.825 28.476 26.91 28.21 Our beautiful drawing . 28.21 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 31.756 33.32 31.9 33.32 So just f um - TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 41.992 47.269 42.01 47.13 So this is our agenda . You're F You're going to show your pr prototype presentation after me . 43.17 47.13 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 48.265 49.139 48.52 48.95 Oops . 48.95 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 51.112 51.416 51.26 51.35 Okay . 51.35 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 53.176 54.104 53.2 54.06 Uh I didn't Oh yeah . 54.06 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 57.432 58.518 57.46 58.518 So these are the - TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 61.759 63.414 62.03 63.27 Oh , okay . Yeah . 62.28 62.98 63.27 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 64.539 75.124 64.6 74.74 So these are the um last notes we I made . If anything doesn't look right , just say it to me then . I don't have to put it in the report . 69.04 71.36 73.37 74.74 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 78.392 86.094 78.53 85.81 Are we doing the the speech recognition ? Because we didn't have enough time to uh de um design the inside as well . 80.9 85.81 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 85.944 91.202 85.96 90.93 Okay , but it's still possible uh uh financially . So if you want to , it's okay . 86.21 89.16 90.43 90.93 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 90.605 92.831 90.71 92.62 Okay yeah . Well then then we're gonna put it in . 91.22 92.62 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 92.904 95.287 92.92 95.287 Okay , just 93.31 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 94.719 97.914 94.76 97.914 Yeah , just uh we have to design the inside then , but it should be uh 94.99 96.67 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 97.215 104.088 97.32 104.05 Yeah , and Or are we making a slide open , like underneath ? Or fold open ? I don't know . 97.44 100.0 101.7 103.6 104.05 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 104.261 108.124 104.35 107.88 Slide open is uh quite usable for remote controls . 107.88 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 105.256 106.678 105.4 106.5 It's probably better . 106.5 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 108.216 112.9 108.24 112.83 Yeah , s Like underneath uh you can slide it open and you other functions . 108.51 112.83 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 111.444 113.864 111.444 113.83 It's may maybe uh a bit stronger as well . 113.83 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 112.177 113.66 112.43 113.56 Maybe that's better . 113.56 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 114.474 114.852 114.51 114.72 Yeah . 114.72 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 114.632 116.256 114.66 116.15 Yeah , that's that's a very good point . 115.01 116.15 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 115.929 124.792 115.99 124.76 Okay , so when you have a lot of room inside . So you can make it very easy to use . 'Cause you can write a lot of comments besides it . 116.35 119.59 122.41 124.76 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 116.138 117.016 116.33 116.98 Think that's better . 116.98 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 122.39 122.997 122.51 122.85 Yeah . 122.85 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 125.576 127.624 125.6 127.624 Okay . So this is okay ? 126.17 127.43 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 129.201 132.386 129.201 132.19 No . Yeah , we're gonna use the advanced chip then . 130.54 130.77 132.19 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 132.651 143.938 132.73 143.938 Okay , so that's Uh I'll just have a look how much that is . But um Okay , for the Okay . No , you have a different chip for speech recognition . So 133.2 136.49 138.33 140.74 140.91 143.49 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 134.024 135.085 134.024 135.085 The - TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 137.459 139.307 137.63 139.13 Advanced chip was for uh spee Yeah . 139.13 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 139.16 141.197 139.23 140.8 Yeah , I I think so . I don't know . 139.43 140.31 140.8 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 143.362 143.988 143.49 143.82 Okay . 143.82 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 143.329 144.2 143.6 144.14 Ah okay . 144.14 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 145.016 148.426 145.04 148.14 So I already calculated that and it's still in the budget . So it's okay . 147.43 148.14 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 148.664 149.242 148.71 148.98 Good . 148.98 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 157.653 161.344 157.73 161.28 So you can show your prototype if you want to . 161.28 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 162.333 162.781 162.37 162.74 Yeah . 162.74 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 162.713 163.486 162.82 163.26 Together ? 163.26 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 163.704 168.122 163.73 167.98 Yeah , it's Let's do it together . Okay . 164.13 167.38 167.98 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 165.941 167.416 166.1 167.24 I'll give comments . 167.24 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 171.258 173.208 171.31 173.06 Yeah , we just made a Word file 171.5 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 174.408 175.416 174.43 175.17 with the basic - TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 176.536 177.416 176.56 177.21 elements . 177.21 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 182.835 198.883 182.9 198.79 Uh the look-and-feel model . Uh well the form , the case um as drawn there . Simply a square with uh round corners . So that's basically it . Uh the material should be hard plastic . 185.31 186.86 190.82 194.43 196.89 198.79 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 199.501 200.208 199.54 199.88 Mm-hmm . 199.88 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 199.864 211.368 199.88 211.15 Uh colour changeable , and also transparent . And colour and transparent , or just transparent , I don't know . Um then the elements . 201.71 203.52 205.83 207.01 208.78 211.15 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 213.72 215.528 213.74 215.528 Uh we have - TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 216.526 229.784 216.61 229.48 The functions are just basic . Like uh I've pointed them here . Mute function , on-off function , text functions . This uh switch channel . And this is the 218.89 221.67 222.95 224.13 225.66 228.36 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 227.496 228.798 227.52 228.798 Okay , cool . 227.79 228.41 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 230.904 234.232 230.92 234.12 the num-pad . And the logo is over here , and the mic . 232.62 233.59 234.12 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 235.56 236.1 235.62 235.89 Okay . 235.89 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 237.099 243.896 237.12 243.896 And the scrollwheel , no ? You operate that with your pointing finger . So you hold it like this in your right hand and 237.84 239.06 241.29 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 239.039 239.678 239.11 239.678 Means - TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 244.28 244.557 244.3 244.43 Mm . 244.43 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 246.06 249.096 246.1 249.01 So how many functions do you need for for uh the microphone ? 249.01 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 250.072 251.085 250.09 250.91 Speech recognition . 250.91 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 250.844 254.822 250.91 254.62 Yeah , speech recognition . Just Only one button to say it's on or off . 251.08 252.09 254.62 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 252.345 264.222 252.4 264.222 Um I didn't have a specification of that . But um I can imagine that you have to input your voice or something . Um so I've 255.67 261.73 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 257.32 258.239 257.37 258.1 Uh I dunno . 258.1 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 262.523 265.752 262.6 265.51 Yeah , maybe maybe uh you have to configure it . 262.78 265.51 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 265.765 270.098 265.81 269.94 Yes , you need options to configure it , and after that you don't need 'em anymore . 266.43 267.95 269.94 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 270.296 272.479 270.32 272.32 So you can put it on the back as well if you want to . 272.32 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 271.801 274.014 271.89 273.96 Yeah , you can put 'em all on the back . That's for sure . 272.08 273.41 273.96 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 272.355 280.536 272.48 280.4 Yeah , or or on the slide function , I don't know . Well we haven't had time to design that , the slide pad . 272.7 274.24 276.24 279.26 280.4 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 275.0 275.576 275.03 275.49 Okay . 275.49 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 275.752 276.68 275.77 276.68 That's uh - TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 275.745 276.522 275.86 276.42 Okay . 276.42 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 279.736 284.216 279.87 284.216 We also don't know how many buttons are required , or what kind of buttons . But 282.23 283.91 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 285.448 288.037 285.47 287.81 You have a lot of room if you can slide it open . 287.81 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 288.714 290.542 288.78 290.48 Yeah , you can put it separate . 289.0 290.48 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 289.045 294.44 289.13 294.32 You Yeah I know . I can imagine you need at least four buttons or something . So But it's enough room . 289.99 292.44 294.32 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 293.496 293.816 293.52 293.77 Yeah . 293.77 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 296.377 301.717 296.45 301.62 Um the position ? Yeah , you write uh You wrote this , so . 299.09 299.22 301.27 301.62 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 300.099 304.061 300.25 303.91 Uh well Well the main , the main zap buttons are most central . 302.22 303.91 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 304.942 319.59 305.02 319.26 That was the the most important thing . So uh the best place , the best reach place Um on-off buttons , text buttons , mute buttons are together and at a place they easily are , easy to find . 306.91 309.67 313.06 313.72 318.19 319.26 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 319.59 326.6 320.49 326.57 Um the on-off button is a bit bigger , uh so it stands out . That way you don't have to make it red , 'cause it's 322.84 324.7 326.05 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 327.624 329.24 327.67 328.99 will uh will show up . 328.99 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 330.28 338.003 330.3 337.89 Uh scrollwheel is on the left side . It's basically the be standard place for scrollwheel , as far as I know . 332.92 337.14 337.89 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 337.129 345.432 337.18 345.25 Yeah . But it's not uh impossible to use it , if you're left handed . So y Because you can use your thumb then . 338.35 341.7 342.59 345.25 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 343.286 343.942 343.35 343.86 Yeah . 343.86 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 345.532 358.111 345.64 358.07 Just just one thing now . Um y you need to have more uh one two th You've got one two three four five six seven eight nine . But you missed the no uh the zero and uh the two stripes . 346.8 353.85 358.07 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 352.431 353.88 352.51 353.88 Okay yeah , they 353.21 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 355.672 356.388 355.78 356.34 Mm yeah . 356.34 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 356.76 361.015 356.88 360.96 Yeah okay . That's that's below that then . It's uh twelve buttons . 357.79 359.61 360.96 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 358.125 358.832 358.22 358.7 Yeah , okay . 358.43 358.7 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 360.017 361.569 360.017 361.44 just so you get that . 361.44 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 362.856 363.592 362.95 363.592 Okay , but 363.33 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 365.592 367.256 365.592 367.256 It's rather important . 366.92 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 367.176 368.214 367.176 367.93 Yeah . 367.93 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 367.282 373.272 367.37 373.272 Yeah okay , just we just missed that . But um I'll just uh 368.0 369.33 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 374.814 383.928 374.92 383.88 I'll get back to later . F the form well , we've taken that from the iPod , other popular technical device . So um should be popular . 375.99 377.49 379.29 381.92 383.88 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 385.288 386.04 385.47 386.04 Um - TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 387.73 390.663 387.79 390.663 The f uh the buttons creating ? Uh if you 389.67 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 391.954 395.87 391.954 395.74 That or all round shapes , not uh rounded corners . 394.45 395.74 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 396.184 396.917 396.21 396.59 Okay . 396.59 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 396.856 399.33 396.88 399.19 So that , you know , you get a bit round feeling . 397.44 397.86 399.19 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 400.552 407.72 400.68 407.61 Um we'll use hard plastic . Since that allows us to use uh two D_ buttons , uh non-rubber buttons . 403.05 406.16 407.61 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 409.368 422.2 409.39 422.12 Colour changeable . Well and um the backlight thing , the thing that lights up . We have decided uh in the the channel buttons , there's a little uh colour around it . 410.9 413.98 415.82 419.77 422.12 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 422.664 423.557 422.72 423.45 Okay . 423.45 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 423.384 427.736 423.4 427.64 And also in the num-pads , there's also colour light behind it . 424.84 427.64 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 428.114 437.395 428.26 437.31 And do you still can , do you still can choose what colour , kind of colour you want ? How do you want to implement that ? Just on the Maybe on the second level as well ? 429.52 431.07 432.81 435.02 437.31 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 428.694 429.409 428.71 429.27 So when you pre - TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 432.088 432.472 432.11 432.39 Yeah . 432.39 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 434.907 439.375 435.15 439.375 We're going to implement . Yeah . Mm just a little 437.04 437.68 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 438.708 439.212 438.75 439.11 Ah . 439.11 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 438.777 443.145 438.82 443.145 Yeah , these are just basic functions , so All the non-basic are in 439.31 440.64 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 442.2 445.157 442.25 444.94 Okay , just draw draw the second level , because we need that as well . 442.49 443.97 444.94 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 444.112 445.557 444.112 445.37 Yeah . 445.37 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 444.872 445.388 444.93 445.21 Okay . 445.21 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 446.424 447.39 446.44 447.39 Um - TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 446.528 460.711 446.6 460.711 Okay , there is one uh function I use uh daily , and it's not on the basic functions . It's uh to switch to uh uh your Scart . Play Station or uh D_V_D_ player . That function must be 446.93 450.57 452.48 457.15 459.56 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 459.649 461.944 459.71 461.944 Okay , maybe we use this button for the 459.98 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 461.336 467.357 461.47 467.3 Yeah , maybe Or you can uh i uh lay it uh beneath in the uh other uh functions . 461.83 467.3 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 465.463 468.44 465.62 468.41 Yeah , I um To your video device . 466.23 468.41 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 466.341 474.488 466.42 474.488 Yeah , as well . Just make make a Just just draw a second level one and say all options that are still left or something . 466.61 466.93 474.19 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 468.6 469.167 468.69 468.94 Yeah . 468.94 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 474.408 479.917 474.408 479.75 A second level ? Like a a new blank one or Or just here ? Okay . 475.72 479.48 479.75 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 474.783 475.549 474.83 475.549 Yeah . 475.46 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 475.672 476.176 475.69 476.12 Yeah . 476.12 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 477.098 480.52 477.2 480.52 No no , just on Down there . So uh 477.72 479.64 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 478.726 479.74 478.87 479.52 Is i Ah okay . 479.52 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 481.064 481.624 481.08 481.45 Yeah . 481.45 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 481.493 485.361 481.53 485.27 And h how does the second level come out ? Uh it slides uh along ? 483.38 485.27 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 482.032 483.327 482.1 482.99 Just uh if you s - TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 484.262 486.392 484.35 486.36 Um slides I think . It's 486.04 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 485.736 486.83 485.76 486.76 Yeah , y Maybe , yeah . 485.91 486.39 486.76 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 486.389 488.76 486.43 488.68 From from the uh beneath ? 488.68 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 487.927 488.803 487.95 488.47 For the bottom . 488.47 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 487.999 492.57 488.04 492.32 You can do it that it claps open , but I think that's not solid enough . If that breaks then you're screwed . 489.33 490.95 492.32 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 490.669 492.263 490.76 492.09 No , you gotta slide it . 491.23 492.09 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 494.008 494.984 494.03 494.75 Yeah , it's right . 494.21 494.75 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 495.717 499.72 495.81 499.72 So it do doesn't even have to slide all the way open . Um 499.13 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 499.64 500.808 499.66 500.67 So what do we need ? 500.67 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 500.952 503.79 500.97 503.68 Uh i the the speech functions buttons . 503.68 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 504.168 505.208 504.19 505.208 Yeah , just 504.65 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 507.203 507.832 507.26 507.77 Menu ? 507.77 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 509.064 509.938 509.09 509.82 Menu button . 509.82 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 511.304 513.016 511.32 512.96 With uh maybe uh arrows . 512.96 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 514.088 515.144 514.11 515.01 So you can uh - TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 516.306 519.384 516.48 519.32 scroll in the , navigate the menu . 518.2 519.32 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 522.04 522.664 522.09 522.664 Um - TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 522.537 523.612 522.79 523.38 God damn it . 523.38 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 522.821 523.856 522.93 523.7 Scart ? 523.7 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 524.44 540.936 524.44 540.88 I think we can even put a We have one for the zero and one for the for the more digit uh channels . So you have one left for the Right , the video channel , Play Station , etcetera . That's used pretty often . 534.92 537.57 538.4 539.03 539.45 540.88 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 530.717 531.304 530.74 531.25 Uh yeah . 531.25 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 533.546 538.732 533.64 538.732 And so y you keep you keep one , you have one left . Yes . 535.37 536.27 538.16 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 536.87 537.928 536.89 537.928 So this is the - TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 541.064 545.449 541.11 545.449 Yeah . It's a f basic uh 542.49 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 541.899 544.65 541.98 544.59 If you have a Play Station , mm you use it every day . 542.96 544.59 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 543.144 543.646 543.16 543.41 Yeah . 543.41 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 546.232 547.896 546.29 547.78 Extern or something . 547.78 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 555.448 557.307 555.47 557.14 You want to save that file as well ? 557.14 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 559.299 560.208 559.37 560.1 The drawing ? 560.1 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 563.304 564.214 563.54 563.95 That was it . 563.95 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 563.606 567.096 563.64 566.96 So here are multiple speech buttons , I don't know how many . 566.0 566.96 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 567.336 568.136 567.39 568.136 Uh - TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 568.104 570.018 568.3 570.018 Doesn't really matter . Just just uh 569.07 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 568.696 572.297 568.82 572.15 I don't know the functions . Okay . What else ? 570.47 571.61 572.15 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 569.198 577.486 569.28 577.37 It doesn't really matter . That's Yeah well we don't have any uh Hmm ? What else ? Uh menu buttons with arrows . 570.24 574.94 575.52 577.37 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 574.36 575.016 574.38 574.96 What else ? 574.96 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 576.616 577.448 576.7 577.38 Uh menu . 577.38 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 577.784 579.252 577.82 579.16 Yeah , to navigate . 578.15 579.16 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 578.918 580.584 579.0 580.45 Uh With arrows . 580.45 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 579.043 582.815 579.08 582.65 S Just uh like Um I think it's best if we do . 582.65 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 584.504 585.8 584.53 585.8 Mm where do we have - TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 588.088 588.808 588.19 588.74 Or there . 588.74 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 588.76 590.184 588.78 590.184 Like a normal um - TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 590.408 592.408 590.43 592.37 Like on the normal uh Like this . 592.37 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 592.646 595.611 592.68 595.3 Yeah , with in the middle um a menu button . Okay . 592.93 594.94 595.3 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 593.954 595.166 594.07 595.0 The menu button , yes . 594.72 595.0 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 597.848 604.001 597.87 603.94 Well we don't have any , anything on how many buttons speech requires . So you can't redesign it . 598.93 601.6 603.94 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 602.405 605.352 602.405 604.95 Mm okay . 604.95 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 604.204 604.808 604.39 604.6 Yeah . 604.6 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 609.433 612.376 609.48 612.32 Maybe one button to switch the colour of your uh LEDs ? 612.32 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 612.344 612.737 612.37 612.65 Yeah . 612.65 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 612.904 613.4 613.07 613.24 Yep . 613.24 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 613.417 619.928 613.53 619.81 Uh and and you can hold it , you can hold it , and then the colours switch or mm multiple multiple buttons . 615.01 615.68 619.81 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 616.994 617.464 617.08 617.42 Yeah . 617.42 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 617.5 621.751 617.64 621.49 Just press it once , the colour should uh switch . Press again , the colour switch again maybe ? 618.48 619.86 620.31 621.49 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 621.816 622.686 621.816 622.57 okay . 622.57 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 623.496 629.164 623.59 629.164 Or we just make it three buttons , all the colours on it . Just red , yel uh red , green and 625.03 626.11 627.5 628.38 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 627.539 632.552 627.57 631.92 Okay , yeah . Th Yeah . If we have enough place , uh then we can do that . 628.26 628.81 629.54 630.82 631.92 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 629.67 630.681 629.73 630.21 Yeah , okay . 629.99 630.21 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 630.862 632.38 630.95 632.33 That's that's very easy , yeah . 631.96 632.33 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 632.488 633.736 632.54 633.57 We can put those here . 633.57 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 634.76 640.805 634.79 640.72 Colour buttons . And then we choose green , uh blue and red or Okay . 637.19 638.63 640.72 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 639.769 640.342 639.85 640.29 Yeah . 640.29 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 640.68 641.202 640.75 641.01 Yep . 641.01 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 648.168 648.723 648.19 648.54 Okay . 648.54 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 648.737 652.808 648.81 652.808 Okay . That's uh Um 649.74 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 657.84 659.832 657.88 659.74 So did we miss anything ? 659.74 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 660.008 665.128 660.06 665.05 Yeah , maybe some uh some text next to the scroll wheel , that it is volume . 660.33 664.01 665.05 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 660.03 660.821 660.12 660.821 It - TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 662.312 664.027 662.38 663.71 Some text uh buttons . 663.71 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 665.976 666.56 666.01 666.37 Okay . 666.37 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 666.326 666.998 666.47 666.77 Yeah . 666.77 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 667.928 668.682 667.98 668.53 Yeah , but 668.27 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 668.404 670.053 668.48 669.99 I just uh The volume logo . 669.99 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 668.438 671.329 668.5 671.329 No , ma on on o on the on the 668.76 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 669.912 672.354 669.93 672.354 there's one there's one text button I - TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 671.08 672.104 671.21 672.07 Oh wh Here ? 672.07 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 672.424 672.93 672.47 672.73 Yeah . 672.73 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 673.032 675.224 673.05 675.224 Yeah . 675.01 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 673.784 674.329 673.8 674.17 Okay . 674.17 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 674.104 674.878 674.12 674.878 Just make it - TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 675.112 690.344 675.15 690.06 There's one text button I prefer . That's the one uh that you use if you search for a page , uh like seven hundred , uh and it's counting from one hundred to two hundred , you will switch to your television and back to text . Do you do you Did you think of that ? 677.15 680.08 681.96 684.79 688.29 690.06 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 675.277 676.455 675.36 676.455 Yeah , or th or the 675.55 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 687.176 689.996 687.22 689.94 Yeah , we have that on the the text button . 687.43 689.94 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 687.321 688.171 687.54 687.87 Yeah . 687.87 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 689.157 689.578 689.26 689.42 Yep . 689.42 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 690.824 695.912 690.88 695.912 Yeah , but then you can switch back to normal telete teletext . You just switch it off and then 691.04 694.37 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 694.644 696.596 694.77 696.51 Uh why not ? 696.51 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 696.024 699.215 696.16 699.13 Yeah , just put it on those extra f extra function as well . 696.3 699.13 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 698.363 700.267 698.41 700.1 Ex Yeah . Yeah . 699.83 700.1 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 699.739 701.523 699.89 701.523 No Whoa - TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 700.052 706.438 700.24 706.12 Well w we thought of a text button . And if you press it again , you get the the the 702.74 703.82 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 705.695 709.656 705.82 709.61 I think um Yeah , the three stages . Yes . 708.43 709.31 709.61 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 705.808 707.011 705.93 707.011 The sta the state you - TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 706.314 709.088 706.48 708.97 Oh just three stages , you Yeah , that's okay . 707.75 708.4 708.97 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 707.24 716.232 707.26 716.13 through view . Yeah , b but but if you're in the second stage , the third stage is switch teletext off . So you can switch back from second to w first . 708.19 708.42 710.97 713.26 716.13 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 707.762 708.435 707.84 708.22 Yeah . 708.22 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 714.512 716.184 714.53 716.15 No , it doesn't have to turn it off . 714.8 716.15 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 716.969 734.855 717.02 734.855 No . Just remember where it was . It it doesn't uh uh clear the the page . If you if you turn teletext on , you you set the seven hundred , and you turn it off , then the next time you turn it on , it still stays on seven hundred ? But maybe it's not the way 717.72 719.04 723.18 725.05 727.61 729.07 730.35 732.63 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 717.018 718.07 717.12 718.07 Just don't - TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 719.192 719.681 719.21 719.47 Yeah . 719.47 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 724.3 725.884 724.36 725.81 Yes , that's to remember . 724.73 725.81 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 731.395 732.513 731.45 732.31 Okay , okay . 731.93 732.31 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 732.12 733.342 732.14 733.342 Yeah , but that's that's uh 732.31 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 734.037 735.55 734.28 735.55 I dunno if - TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 734.819 737.176 734.92 737.176 That's a functionality for the television . 736.74 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 736.558 738.708 736.69 738.61 Yeah , I think as well , but Uh yeah . 736.95 737.53 738.61 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 739.048 743.79 739.19 743.64 Mm . That's maybe one thing we can discuss about . 740.56 743.64 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 741.56 753.96 741.78 753.84 Yeah mm nee uh No , if i uh the remote can send like the the code for seven hundred , page seven hundred to the television . Th th th if you switch it on . 743.87 749.24 751.96 753.84 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 751.896 754.68 751.92 754.57 Yeah , in thi the the remote control in the 752.12 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 752.906 753.444 752.97 753.23 Okay . 753.23 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 755.032 761.977 755.05 761.76 Yeah , but you have to search every time again . That's what what happening if you do it like that . But it's still the television that has to do that . 755.19 757.14 759.29 761.76 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 755.197 755.778 755.28 755.7 Th i - TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 755.472 756.078 755.56 755.92 the chip . 755.92 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 759.061 759.877 759.1 759.77 Yeah , that's true . 759.3 759.77 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 759.922 761.868 760.13 761.69 Yeah , I dunno . Okay . 760.45 761.27 761.69 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 761.992 765.0 762.01 765.0 So yeah . Um do we need to fix that or 762.81 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 765.131 770.16 765.2 770.06 Mm most new T_V_s do uh collect all the pages . 770.06 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 765.269 766.882 765.39 766.75 No , that's what the television does . 765.64 766.75 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 770.44 771.991 770.47 771.95 Yeah , those memory functions . 770.78 771.95 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 770.884 773.768 770.98 773.768 But uh not not every every television , so 773.32 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 776.856 781.144 776.88 780.91 Yeah . Was uh this logo for uh volume ? Okay . 777.68 780.62 780.91 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 777.56 778.344 777.58 778.26 Okay , it's cool . 777.86 778.26 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 779.96 780.977 779.98 780.79 Yeah , that's fine . 780.28 780.79 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 785.656 786.57 785.68 786.26 So that's it ? 786.26 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 786.083 787.864 786.22 787.63 Is this prich pretty much it , yeah ? 787.43 787.63 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 788.675 794.582 788.75 794.5 Yeah , I I thought about one thing . Uh the buttons ? Uh from which material are they now ? 789.19 791.32 792.44 794.5 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 794.348 798.278 794.43 798.278 Mm . No no Yeah . Just hard plastic . So 795.11 796.96 797.92 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 794.859 796.908 794.94 796.64 Just like your telephone , hard plastic . 796.09 796.64 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 797.656 816.008 797.68 815.97 Okay . Because um if you use it a couple of years , some uh sometimes the numbers on the on the buttons are slide away , are uh And maybe we can write the numbers below or above ? Or shall we just turn it on on the buttons ? 798.47 802.38 807.51 813.06 815.97 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 798.417 801.57 798.53 801.28 It's too expensive to make it from a different material anyway . 801.28 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 815.945 822.139 816.13 822.08 I think just on the buttons . If you do it abo above or below , it takes uh more space . 817.88 820.15 822.08 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 816.339 817.944 816.56 817.944 Uh I think just um - TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 821.404 823.64 821.47 823.58 Well yeah . That's too much place . 822.17 823.58 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 825.16 825.846 825.18 825.846 Yeah , but 825.51 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 825.154 826.652 825.2 826.61 Okay , just leave it . Just leave it . 825.52 826.15 826.61 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 825.268 827.512 825.45 827.42 I don't think the space is worth it . 827.42 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 827.592 828.305 827.67 828.27 Yeah , and i 827.92 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 827.703 831.785 827.72 831.65 I think uh you have that problem more often with rubber buttons . 831.65 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 829.221 830.33 829.4 830.33 The most time - TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 831.256 833.622 831.28 833.622 Yeah , with rubber buttons . Yeah , okay . 831.52 832.17 832.47 833.45 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 835.416 836.948 835.49 836.68 Okay . Fine . 836.12 836.68 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 836.44 838.518 836.46 838.34 Yeah ? Okay , cool . 837.34 837.75 838.34 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 847.096 848.264 847.14 848.19 Mm mm mm mm mm . 848.19 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 851.35 855.096 851.43 855.02 Yeah , I don't know what this means . But I think we just evela evaluated this one . 851.66 852.62 855.02 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 855.055 865.632 855.12 865.41 Yeah , I made some criteria uh , so we can uh ev evaluate our model . I d d d I don't think if it's right . That shall show it . 855.47 857.29 860.88 863.99 865.41 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 856.724 858.868 856.8 858.62 Oh okay , you made some criteria . Okay , cool . 857.16 858.04 858.45 858.62 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 860.536 861.085 860.56 860.83 Okay . 860.83 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 870.845 874.664 870.95 874.61 You have some usability criteria or Okay . 874.61 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 873.55 879.784 873.61 879.784 Mm-hmm . Uh no , uh all criterias we just argue about . Uh 874.73 875.42 879.31 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 881.032 881.616 881.08 881.31 Oh . 881.31 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 881.285 882.228 881.34 881.93 In the bottom . 881.93 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 884.904 885.368 884.92 885.32 Yeah . 885.32 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 885.288 886.433 885.38 886.11 Look-and-feel ? 886.11 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 886.472 887.428 886.55 887.25 Evaluation crit - TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 886.856 888.216 886.88 888.216 No , evaluation is 887.19 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 888.664 890.149 888.69 889.9 Yeah , evaluation presentation . 888.91 889.9 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 893.388 894.168 893.55 894.12 It's not in . 894.12 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 897.16 901.992 897.38 901.87 Uh d it doesn't matter um It only had two pages or something . 901.87 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 903.63 920.92 903.63 920.92 Um well I looked in the reports um from the marketing strategy , or uh of uh the the the the the the new needs and uh the market . The Italians uh , how they think about it . And 911.39 917.13 918.47 920.05 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 922.685 943.32 922.685 943.23 The research uh about uh the the comp uh the the the users and that kind of stuff . I made some criteria , and we have to test the criteria from one to zero . We sh we we we can give it uh a number , and then we can give ourself an average for our 930.81 933.11 936.15 938.64 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 944.2 944.843 944.24 944.57 Okay . 944.57 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 944.824 957.311 944.91 957.311 um model . And this These are all I I I found , or I wrote down . And um we have to discuss about , if we give it a one or a seven . Uh 946.91 949.07 951.73 955.02 956.89 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 946.946 947.53 946.98 947.32 Okay . 947.32 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 956.989 961.8 957.04 961.8 Uh I think uh if you have a kind of iPod idea . It quite beautiful . It's 960.14 961.56 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 962.186 980.024 962.26 979.97 Yes . Yeah , the the the difference be between uh beautiful and fancy uh look-and-feel is uh the the the outside uh beautiful uh like the iPod or something . And fancy's more like the mm uh f the flashing lights and the colours and and that kind of stuff . The LEDs . 963.22 963.38 971.81 979.45 979.97 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 962.728 963.032 962.77 962.91 Mm . 962.91 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 962.968 964.432 962.99 964.432 We are actu We are the - TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 973.673 974.613 973.76 974.41 Flashy . 974.41 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 978.666 986.543 978.666 986.48 Okay . Well I think we do If it's really uh , if you can if you can get the iPod look , then it's beautiful , I think . 979.39 981.76 984.97 986.12 986.48 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 986.188 997.634 986.22 997.634 Yes . And and what ki what kind of what kind of basic colours uh were you thought uh of ? The basic colours are black or green or yellow ? Or you haven't thought about 987.46 993.18 996.41 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 987.464 988.465 987.49 988.465 But uh - TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 987.905 990.59 987.98 990.42 Yeah beautiful's is also a matter of taste . 990.42 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 992.52 992.776 992.54 992.73 Hmm ? 992.73 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 996.343 1002.36 996.54 1002.16 Um basic colours , um yeah . Well you didn't say . Maybe um company colours ? 997.61 998.57 1000.36 1002.16 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 999.204 1000.786 999.25 1000.786 Ho how do we make uh - TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1002.632 1003.479 1002.65 1003.26 It's black . 1003.26 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1003.672 1005.684 1003.69 1005.684 Black and yellow . Can 1005.15 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1003.62 1004.15 1003.75 1004.05 Black . 1004.05 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1005.012 1009.257 1005.05 1009.257 Yeah , yellow light . Do we have yellow light ? No , not really , but it's possible . It's 1005.23 1005.83 1006.69 1006.88 1007.42 1008.94 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1005.0 1006.33 1005.07 1006.17 A bit a bit of yellow . 1006.17 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1007.624 1011.029 1007.73 1010.92 Not not not yellow , but just a bit of light yellow . 1009.39 1010.92 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1011.544 1013.358 1011.9 1012.88 Black white , maybe ? 1012.5 1012.88 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1013.512 1016.699 1013.56 1016.66 Like white , also ni or uh always nice . 1014.39 1016.66 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1016.316 1018.552 1016.4 1018.33 And what colours should the buttons be ? 1018.33 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1016.703 1017.289 1016.82 1017.289 Uh - TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1018.656 1020.145 1018.73 1020.145 Because um - TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1019.235 1021.352 1019.54 1021.352 Yeah , different colours . This is 1019.76 1020.62 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1021.304 1022.36 1021.37 1022.36 Just um - TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1022.468 1027.51 1022.51 1027.3 Oh , the same as th th the cover . But also th the light behind it . 1022.77 1025.29 1027.3 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1026.393 1029.672 1026.44 1029.64 But can you change those too , with uh the switch ? 1028.3 1029.64 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1026.627 1027.148 1026.72 1027.04 Yes . 1027.04 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1028.881 1033.098 1028.91 1033.0 No , no . Make them No , just make them black or grey or something . 1029.74 1030.25 1031.19 1033.0 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1032.75 1034.948 1032.77 1034.73 Yeah , grey . Just dark grey I think . 1032.99 1033.42 1034.73 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1034.815 1035.487 1035.03 1035.37 Okay . 1035.37 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1034.969 1035.501 1035.11 1035.26 Yeah . 1035.26 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1036.369 1046.303 1036.41 1045.87 Okay , so what uh number do we give uh a beautiful ? Beautiful is uh really subjective , uh because it has to do lots with the colours . 1036.83 1040.63 1042.77 1045.87 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1045.755 1047.528 1045.84 1047.528 Well we have changeable fronts , so 1047.11 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1048.094 1051.753 1048.41 1051.65 Changeable fronts , so ev for everyone for everyone it's something beautiful . 1049.13 1051.65 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1050.079 1050.618 1050.18 1050.618 So - TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1051.112 1056.664 1051.21 1056.664 Yeah , just give it a one . It's okay . It's perfect . I think it's just what you want . Or not ? 1051.4 1052.24 1052.82 1053.73 1055.85 1056.44 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1051.51 1052.023 1051.57 1051.91 Yeah . 1051.91 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1056.409 1058.5 1056.6 1058.41 It's hard to decide for us , but yeah . 1057.87 1058.41 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1057.991 1060.802 1058.07 1060.77 Yeah . It's ju so subjective . 1059.31 1060.77 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1059.485 1063.816 1059.64 1063.71 It it's At least it's a lot better than uh current remote controls . 1063.71 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1064.826 1065.533 1064.88 1065.35 Yeah . 1065.35 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1065.247 1069.128 1065.32 1069.128 Okay , just give it a two . 1065.6 1068.91 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1066.612 1068.548 1066.71 1068.36 A two . Okay . 1067.74 1068.36 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1069.885 1083.176 1069.93 1083.176 The fancy look-and-feel . That's about our uh flashing lights and the background uh lights uh from from from the buttons . Okay . And we can change the colours , so that's uh really fancy I think . So 1071.88 1077.7 1078.57 1079.8 1082.77 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1077.16 1077.566 1077.21 1077.46 Yeah . 1077.46 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1081.695 1082.303 1081.79 1082.19 Yeah . 1082.19 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1082.564 1092.871 1082.66 1092.84 One more thing . Are w are we changing uh Or are they there uh backlights on the slide panel too ? Or n no back light ? Yeah ? 1083.3 1090.19 1092.58 1092.84 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1091.512 1092.639 1091.64 1092.25 Slide panel ? 1092.25 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1092.656 1094.985 1092.71 1094.75 Mm . Not needed . 1094.08 1094.75 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1093.104 1096.935 1093.19 1096.935 No . No , it's only on the number , behind the numbers and uh 1094.26 1094.47 1095.47 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1096.176 1097.609 1096.25 1097.47 Yeah , not needed I think . 1096.5 1097.47 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1097.026 1100.012 1097.08 1099.8 And and the switch channel is uh There is a back light too ? 1099.8 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1098.725 1100.936 1098.86 1100.83 Oh , you mean th this here ? 1099.62 1100.83 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1098.923 1100.343 1099.12 1100.18 That as well , yeah . 1100.03 1100.18 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1099.99 1100.528 1100.05 1100.38 Yeah . 1100.38 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1101.0 1101.591 1101.02 1101.27 Yeah . 1101.27 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1101.004 1102.328 1101.05 1102.29 Yeah , but that's unnecessary . 1101.31 1102.29 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1102.504 1104.823 1102.6 1104.56 What do I think is necessary necessary item ? 1104.56 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1104.267 1113.233 1104.29 1113.08 It's pretty cool . If you slide it open , it lights up . That's that's really fancy , but I don't know if it's reachable . 1104.96 1107.35 1108.76 1110.59 1113.08 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1109.866 1110.538 1110.08 1110.36 Yeah . 1110.36 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1113.304 1114.549 1113.304 1114.45 Of course it's reachable . 1114.45 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1115.864 1116.806 1115.89 1116.806 It doesn't make - TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1115.899 1118.929 1116.05 1118.929 Then we do it . 1118.86 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1117.058 1118.15 1117.13 1118.15 Hmm . 1118.05 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1117.493 1128.488 1117.493 1128.38 Okay , maybe just some light uh to to light it all up . So you can see what's really there . Not just not re on the buttons or something . Just a green light or some blue light . 1117.93 1121.28 1123.4 1125.94 1128.38 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1125.116 1126.361 1125.22 1126.13 No . Yeah . 1125.75 1126.13 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1129.621 1130.376 1129.64 1130.34 To light it all up . 1130.34 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1129.544 1131.08 1129.65 1131.08 Yeah , but 1130.59 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1130.504 1132.155 1130.54 1132.07 But Yeah . Mayb Okay . 1131.39 1132.07 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1131.583 1141.48 1131.62 1141.42 Yeah , just backlight . Not not the buttons . And th and the the normal backlights also not the buttons , but behind the buttons . So the buttons are just grey . 1131.84 1133.29 1134.55 1137.65 1139.79 1141.42 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1134.583 1134.986 1134.71 1134.92 Yeah . 1134.92 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1141.797 1142.754 1141.91 1142.52 Okay . 1142.52 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1141.934 1143.976 1141.98 1143.89 Well yeah . Uh semi-transparent . 1142.64 1143.89 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1144.12 1145.928 1144.16 1145.63 Yeah , just only Yeah , that's right . 1144.44 1145.25 1145.63 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1144.286 1144.943 1144.45 1144.88 Okay . 1144.88 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1146.708 1152.16 1146.74 1152.16 Okay , fine . So I I think it's very fancy . So I'll give it a 1147.09 1148.15 1151.0 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1148.12 1148.783 1148.14 1148.783 So - TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1150.405 1151.804 1150.62 1151.61 Yeah , that's how I think . 1150.98 1151.61 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1151.056 1154.84 1151.17 1154.84 Yeah , w we've done a a lot of detail in light , so 1151.61 1154.44 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1155.384 1157.69 1155.48 1157.69 Yeah , and you can uh also choose your light , so 1155.64 1157.21 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1155.818 1156.208 1155.9 1156.04 Ye - TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1157.784 1159.96 1157.8 1159.93 Yeah , this It is a one . It's okay . It's cool . 1157.99 1158.91 1159.58 1159.93 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1158.077 1158.48 1158.17 1158.38 Yeah . 1158.38 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1159.336 1160.525 1159.44 1160.16 I think it's one . 1160.16 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1162.483 1166.539 1162.62 1166.4 Okay , next . Learnable ? Easy to use ? 1162.93 1164.39 1165.24 1166.4 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1163.173 1167.861 1163.24 1167.861 This is a difficult one , because we we don't Yeah , we don't know it about the 1164.3 1166.09 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1167.271 1169.726 1167.52 1169.726 Yeah , we shall test it But uh 1167.74 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1169.864 1175.016 1170.04 1175.016 Uh it's it's very easy to use , but uh the second layer is not easy to use . It's That's 1171.61 1174.31 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1171.782 1172.32 1171.87 1172.1 Yeah . 1172.1 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1174.979 1182.612 1175.04 1182.45 No , but you don't have to use that . And you on don't have to pay attention to that second layer . That's th that's the main thing that's so good about it . 1175.27 1176.89 1180.1 1182.45 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1175.516 1176.13 1175.59 1176.04 Yeah . 1176.04 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1180.032 1180.59 1180.17 1180.39 No . 1180.39 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1181.956 1185.32 1182.0 1185.32 So I think it's easy to use , but And learnable is a bit 1183.53 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1184.293 1204.781 1184.38 1204.7 Learnable ? It's not not as fast as a usual uh uh remote control . Because because I think I think the scroll wheel , uh it's very handy , but the first time you get this thing in your hands , it's not to use the scroll wheel . I think uh you must uh seek for it , and up or down or Uh then the re 1185.26 1189.37 1192.5 1193.51 1196.48 1197.91 1200.83 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1189.24 1190.567 1189.32 1190.3 Well , I think it is . 1189.6 1190.3 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1189.876 1191.441 1189.9 1191.41 Well y just uh f - TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1203.156 1206.203 1203.22 1205.99 But the rest of it is very easy , because there are so so n 1204.65 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1205.582 1208.11 1205.61 1207.97 Yeah , I think it's very clear what it all does . 1205.98 1207.97 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1207.03 1213.448 1207.11 1213.38 So so few information that you can easily decide what buttons w for what function . 1213.38 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1209.657 1210.137 1209.7 1209.94 Yes . 1209.94 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1210.619 1211.465 1210.77 1211.27 Yeah . 1211.27 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1214.648 1215.731 1214.71 1215.6 Okay . 1215.6 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1214.65 1218.524 1214.74 1218.33 But the second parts , uh like speech , etcetera , that will be harder to learn . 1215.76 1216.58 1217.14 1218.33 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1219.72 1232.784 1219.88 1232.64 So it is learnable um f i i In the first place it's very easy to use . And I think its scrollwheel is u easy to use as well , if you have ever used uh a different kind of uh of uh device . 1223.89 1226.46 1232.64 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1219.922 1220.688 1219.97 1220.55 Okay . 1220.55 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1221.732 1222.144 1221.85 1222.144 But - TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1222.32 1224.605 1222.32 1224.605 It's Yeah it's - TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1230.616 1251.098 1230.77 1250.82 Yeah . But we we've got the two so two uh two or three uh new things , huh ? And maybe we uh maybe learnable is in uh compare of old fashion uh remote controls . So we h we have speech , uh the scroll wheel , and um the the the slide . You must slide it . 1231.26 1235.51 1236.15 1243.05 1245.1 1246.77 1249.94 1250.82 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1231.2 1231.996 1231.3 1231.81 Device . 1231.81 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1251.098 1262.485 1251.15 1262.3 And that's not normal at the uh normal remote controls . 'Cause I think learnable is a l a less than um easy to use . Because easy to use comes after learnable . I I think it a three or something . 1253.91 1258.47 1260.58 1262.3 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1253.941 1254.71 1254.01 1254.68 But yeah . 1254.68 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1258.715 1259.413 1258.76 1259.22 Okay . 1259.22 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1259.817 1262.729 1259.88 1262.62 Okay , just Easy to use is very cool , so just give it a two . 1260.17 1261.6 1262.62 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1263.244 1265.32 1263.3 1265.32 Maybe three then . Learnable's 1264.44 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1265.384 1271.119 1265.46 1270.93 No , but definitely better , much better than uh than uh than avera average , yeah . 1265.72 1267.17 1270.65 1270.93 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1265.499 1266.863 1265.63 1266.78 Mm uh . 1266.78 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1268.553 1274.654 1268.65 1274.654 The normal . And the one you showed is just all buttons and you don't know 1271.04 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1269.816 1271.0 1269.84 1270.97 Yeah okay . Yeah . 1270.71 1270.97 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1274.408 1275.096 1274.43 1275.06 Yep , true . 1274.76 1275.06 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1276.248 1276.925 1276.27 1276.79 Then a two . 1276.79 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1276.453 1283.688 1276.55 1283.64 Oh . Okay . New features . Techno technological innovative ? 1277.27 1280.47 1281.61 1283.64 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1277.048 1277.469 1277.15 1277.36 Yeah . 1277.36 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1279.944 1280.791 1279.96 1280.791 Okay . 1280.56 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1283.56 1286.68 1283.65 1286.35 The speech function and the colour . Colour . 1286.02 1286.35 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1284.732 1290.6 1284.732 1290.54 The speech function is new . The scrollwheel and the slide . Uh I think the slide is pretty new . 1286.9 1288.43 1290.54 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1285.864 1289.668 1285.88 1289.59 And the scrollwheel , backlights , slide . 1287.24 1288.92 1289.59 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1289.461 1292.958 1289.48 1292.958 Slide is not n is is not new . No . I already have a 1291.49 1291.96 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1291.942 1295.525 1292.02 1295.36 Uh I only saw it in a telephone , not in an remote control . 1293.54 1295.36 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1294.102 1302.008 1294.15 1301.93 Uh I already have a V_C_R_ and it's about from nineteen eighty eight . And they all have a slide in it . So that's not new . Yeah . 1298.1 1299.2 1301.63 1301.93 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1296.899 1297.91 1296.93 1297.77 Okay . 1297.77 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1299.18 1302.871 1299.24 1302.78 But also slide that buttons come out , as well ? Okay . 1301.62 1302.3 1302.78 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1302.776 1309.548 1302.88 1309.33 Okay , and the the the lightning ? Is that new ? The lighting's new . Scrollwheel . Speech ? 1303.12 1305.22 1306.52 1307.61 1308.76 1309.33 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1304.871 1307.338 1304.95 1307.3 That's cool . Yeah for a Uh for a f 1305.93 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1306.941 1309.047 1307.19 1308.88 Mm it's pretty new , I think . 1308.45 1308.88 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1307.475 1308.212 1307.54 1307.82 Yes . 1307.82 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1310.296 1311.298 1310.33 1311.07 Speech is new . 1311.07 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1312.008 1313.653 1312.05 1313.653 Different colours , so 1312.83 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1313.8 1317.4 1313.82 1317.33 Yeah , different fronts for a remote control , I think that's new too . 1314.15 1316.16 1317.33 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1318.328 1318.823 1318.36 1318.67 Yeah . 1318.67 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1318.421 1318.893 1318.49 1318.68 Yeah . 1318.68 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1318.936 1320.497 1318.96 1320.497 So we have a pretty new uh - TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1320.063 1323.944 1320.17 1323.944 There are no games on it , that's that's It's not a one , it's a two again . But 1321.18 1322.46 1323.36 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1320.306 1321.997 1320.46 1321.997 That would And we didn't uh - TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1322.624 1325.547 1322.84 1325.36 It's it's it's not not L_C_D_ or something . 1325.36 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1324.623 1328.77 1324.68 1328.77 But then we also have the the home station . We are forgetting about that now , but 1326.78 1328.35 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1325.341 1326.083 1325.46 1326.083 If you have - TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1329.502 1332.425 1329.61 1332.3 Yeah . Oh yeah , that's right . Rechargeable . 1330.34 1330.73 1331.45 1332.3 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1329.613 1330.304 1329.67 1330.16 Uh-oh . 1330.16 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1331.192 1332.219 1331.21 1331.91 Home-station . 1331.91 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1331.236 1333.07 1331.47 1333.04 We don't recharge . 1333.04 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1332.424 1334.6 1332.44 1334.6 Yeah , we didn't draw that too , but 1332.63 1334.32 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1334.884 1336.43 1335.06 1336.26 But that's more like uh now . 1336.26 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1336.427 1338.734 1336.5 1338.734 Yeah , just draw it afterwards . 1336.63 1338.63 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1337.656 1340.712 1337.68 1340.28 Yeah , that's just a normal th s simple thing . 1337.95 1340.28 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1339.493 1340.36 1339.63 1340.23 I don't know . 1340.23 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1340.632 1346.168 1340.77 1346.06 If you Can you save it on the same , in the same map as the other ones ? In the the project uh map ? 1342.21 1344.33 1346.06 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1344.84 1345.31 1344.89 1345.31 Uh - TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1346.984 1348.487 1347.06 1348.28 Just save , save as ? 1347.71 1348.28 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1347.893 1348.872 1347.99 1348.8 Yeah . Mm-hmm . 1348.51 1348.8 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1351.336 1353.346 1351.38 1353.21 Uh save as ? No , that's not in the project . 1352.14 1352.35 1353.21 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1354.033 1356.994 1354.14 1356.91 Well it's a already in the folder . L like number seven . 1355.54 1356.91 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1357.045 1359.736 1357.12 1359.7 Oh yeah , okay . Smart board . Yeah , but this one . 1357.32 1358.4 1359.06 1359.18 1359.7 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1357.749 1358.555 1357.96 1358.5 Yeah . 1358.5 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1358.532 1359.003 1358.61 1358.85 Okay . 1358.85 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1361.29 1363.48 1361.34 1363.45 This one is not yet in the Oh oh . 1363.45 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1364.392 1365.228 1364.41 1365.04 I think it is . 1365.04 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1368.735 1369.459 1368.86 1369.26 Yeah , it is . 1369.03 1369.26 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1368.823 1370.056 1369.07 1370.02 No , I think it is . 1369.45 1370.02 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1370.656 1374.76 1370.78 1374.57 Uh untitled ? Yeah , it doesn't matter . Save . 1372.23 1372.36 1374.29 1374.57 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1376.424 1376.986 1376.47 1376.87 Okay . 1376.87 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1376.798 1379.976 1376.89 1379.9 Uh all the the seven , uh all the seven . 1379.17 1379.9 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1376.908 1387.759 1377.17 1387.759 But you still have to draw the resi the recharger . Okay . And new features , so we give it a two or also again a one ? No , I think i if you have games on it , then then you give you have a one . But not 1379.54 1380.14 1380.84 1383.41 1383.71 1385.77 1387.19 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1386.816 1390.45 1386.86 1390.45 No , we are not extraordinary new or something . Tha tha that 1387.09 1389.57 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1389.272 1390.648 1389.29 1390.59 No , just so it's still a two . 1389.59 1390.59 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1389.577 1391.954 1389.69 1391.82 Mm two , I think . 1391.4 1391.82 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1389.755 1390.293 1389.91 1390.12 N - TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1392.198 1396.311 1392.24 1396.14 Targeted audience . Uh we are the targeted audience ? Do we like it ? 1393.36 1395.5 1396.14 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1395.668 1402.01 1395.668 1401.92 No , we we we searched for uh um a young group , audience , beneath f forty . Yes . 1396.07 1399.4 1399.98 1401.41 1401.92 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1399.348 1404.359 1399.45 1404.27 Yeah , but l younger than forty . So we we are exactly the targeted group . 1399.7 1401.42 1404.27 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1404.152 1411.23 1404.22 1410.95 Yeah , but did we reach , um with our uh style , the targeted audience ? Th that's my question . 1404.43 1405.83 1408.57 1409.77 1410.95 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1410.168 1417.139 1410.19 1417.139 I think so , yeah . You get the fancy things for younger people . And you get the the aesthetic things for older people . So you want 1410.68 1411.3 1413.09 1416.34 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1412.964 1414.392 1413.13 1413.52 Yeah . 1413.52 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1416.155 1421.448 1416.2 1421.31 We've got a one for fancy look-and-feel , and that's what attracts the young audience . So 1418.19 1420.86 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1419.698 1420.38 1419.84 1420.3 Yeah . 1420.3 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1421.992 1432.309 1422.04 1431.3 Yeah . Um the only point is that we don't uh have uh uh That's that's That's this question . 1422.74 1431.3 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1422.725 1425.193 1422.75 1424.97 think that's a two or a one . 1424.97 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1432.771 1439.24 1432.84 1439.24 Yeah , but s it That's basically not not handy . And I don't thi I don't see 1432.98 1436.06 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1439.192 1441.912 1439.59 1441.78 Yeah , this . So we targeted it ? 1439.94 1440.25 1441.78 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1440.253 1441.663 1440.253 1441.24 Yeah . 1441.24 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1443.0 1445.733 1443.07 1445.53 But we didn't follow the latest trends . 1445.53 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1443.735 1444.687 1443.94 1444.687 Yeah . 1444.47 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1447.208 1448.152 1447.28 1447.8 No . 1447.8 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1449.4 1452.001 1449.42 1451.82 Yeah , you could make a a front 1449.65 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1449.88 1452.52 1449.97 1452.48 Mm . I think we followed the latest trends . 1450.98 1452.48 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1452.824 1456.936 1452.84 1456.88 a front that's that's like uh like a banana , or something . 1456.35 1456.88 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1453.352 1458.551 1453.37 1458.39 Tha these are the only latest uh trends I uh get on my computer . 1458.39 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1456.914 1462.577 1457.02 1462.577 Oh right . Well uh fruit and vegetables , yeah . You can different front uh 1458.32 1460.12 1461.02 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1460.44 1461.957 1460.46 1461.72 Yeah , you get different colours . 1460.59 1461.72 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1462.229 1466.1 1462.32 1466.1 Uh yeah , th So we had we uh have uh a fruit uh 1462.72 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1463.197 1463.836 1463.41 1463.836 So - TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1464.485 1468.008 1464.56 1467.51 Like a a f banana kind of front . 1467.51 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1466.872 1470.44 1466.9 1470.44 Oh yeah . But spongy will never be . 1468.15 1470.26 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1470.424 1471.123 1470.54 1470.84 No . 1470.84 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1471.752 1473.688 1471.77 1473.6 So we give ourself a three or something . 1473.6 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1474.52 1474.986 1474.56 1474.8 Yeah . 1474.8 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1475.718 1476.413 1475.85 1476.22 Oh . 1476.22 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1477.619 1478.264 1477.68 1478.23 Okay . 1478.23 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1478.552 1479.64 1478.57 1479.56 So that's eleven . 1479.56 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1479.912 1481.255 1479.94 1481.255 That's uh - TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1484.904 1485.672 1485.03 1485.64 What's the average ? 1485.64 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1485.493 1489.176 1485.493 1488.9 It's Yeah , it is one point eight three . 1487.36 1488.9 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1485.592 1487.59 1485.61 1487.28 Eleven divided by six . 1487.28 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1493.624 1496.579 1493.64 1496.53 A perfect score . No , I don't know . 1495.74 1495.92 1496.53 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1496.968 1499.704 1496.99 1499.704 We're not too hard on ourselves . 1499.28 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1498.571 1504.072 1498.65 1504.03 This is a a power indicator . So you can see how far it's charged up . 1502.19 1504.03 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1502.071 1502.774 1502.12 1502.52 Okay . 1502.52 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1504.472 1508.248 1504.53 1508.18 And and you need n uh a button to call it , to let it beep . 1507.48 1508.18 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1504.713 1505.563 1504.8 1505.24 Okay . 1505.24 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1508.168 1510.597 1508.23 1510.597 To call . Um 1509.88 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1509.896 1511.226 1509.92 1511.226 Oh yeah , that's still 1510.29 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1509.903 1510.622 1509.97 1510.622 Call - TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1510.531 1514.048 1510.67 1513.92 Yeah , but uh we have to make a speaker then too . If you want to make it beep . 1510.83 1512.83 1513.92 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1513.688 1515.416 1513.71 1515.27 Yeah , maybe we have to skip that one . 1513.87 1515.27 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1513.786 1514.51 1513.89 1514.39 Okay . 1514.39 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1516.024 1518.449 1516.09 1518.449 That's Yeah , but it 1516.95 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1516.488 1517.816 1516.51 1517.69 No no , I want that in . 1517.05 1517.69 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1517.944 1522.01 1517.944 1521.94 But we can we can do it uh underneath the logo . 1521.94 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1519.255 1524.823 1519.255 1524.55 No , we need that . That's usable . That's really usable . 1521.19 1521.76 1523.64 1524.55 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1523.256 1524.201 1523.28 1524.201 If you do uh - TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1523.669 1524.499 1523.84 1524.36 Okay . 1524.36 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1524.563 1527.576 1524.64 1527.44 Yeah , th the speaker is very small as well , right ? 1524.83 1527.22 1527.44 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1527.217 1528.292 1527.41 1528.04 Yeah , okay . 1527.69 1528.04 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1528.28 1529.638 1528.3 1529.638 It's uh - TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1529.864 1532.692 1529.88 1532.692 So I just got a financial um - TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1529.873 1530.597 1529.92 1530.49 Yes uh . 1530.49 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1537.528 1539.584 1537.55 1539.584 You s saved it or - TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1538.918 1539.39 1539.0 1539.32 Yeah . 1539.32 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1541.536 1542.942 1541.68 1542.85 I did save it . 1542.85 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1551.496 1552.081 1551.55 1551.79 No . 1551.79 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1554.003 1560.255 1554.04 1559.95 Okay , let's have a look at this one here , the production cost of it . If I forgot anything , just say it to me . 1554.3 1555.6 1557.54 1558.61 1559.95 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1560.255 1574.488 1560.44 1574.488 It just is a battery . Yeah , there are some that they didn't mention , because recharge is not on the list . But okay . So I think we are pretty much in the right direction , because it's twelve point three Euros . 1561.41 1561.58 1564.46 1567.23 1569.07 1571.12 1574.4 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1572.991 1574.664 1573.11 1574.39 Mm okay . 1574.39 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1574.856 1577.878 1574.856 1577.75 That's fine . 1577.75 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1575.939 1577.866 1576.01 1577.866 But uh is uh uh - TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1577.312 1581.029 1577.5 1580.98 So this is a regular chip incl and and a sample speaker . 1580.98 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1581.712 1582.465 1581.78 1582.2 Okay . 1582.2 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1582.376 1583.192 1582.4 1583.09 So that's both . 1583.09 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1583.176 1586.264 1583.2 1586.18 Come on , it's perfect . Uh twelve point three point three . 1583.49 1584.33 1586.18 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1585.597 1588.175 1585.68 1588.0 Yeah , and single curved curved . 1586.33 1588.0 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1587.294 1591.432 1587.38 1591.432 But but is it inc Does it include a a homestation or - TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1591.235 1594.45 1591.38 1594.05 No , that's not on the list . But that shouldn't be . 1591.68 1592.55 1594.05 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1593.198 1597.933 1593.26 1597.933 Can we make that for uh h twenty cents ? 1597.79 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1595.864 1599.895 1595.88 1599.895 Yeah , we can uh 1596.29 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1596.881 1605.636 1596.98 1605.47 Probably . I just The b the button supplements , I didn't I d I was wondering if this special colour maybe was I'm not sure . 1597.34 1599.37 1605.47 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1604.522 1607.928 1604.67 1607.8 Um different fronts , but standard front won't be , yeah . 1606.11 1607.4 1607.8 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1608.215 1609.541 1608.24 1609.49 See it's I think it's okay like this . 1609.49 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1608.36 1610.696 1608.56 1610.696 Special form , yeah . 1609.63 1610.48 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1611.016 1621.435 1611.04 1621.31 It's hard to say . But maybe we have to um Yeah , okay . Special colour , you can skip this one , because it's all quite normal . We get different ones , that's all . 1611.84 1615.26 1616.04 1616.78 1617.55 1620.15 1620.91 1621.31 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1619.56 1619.848 1619.58 1619.81 Yeah . 1619.81 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1623.272 1629.667 1623.3 1629.5 So you can put a recharger in it as well . But this is expensive , the sample speaker . 1627.51 1628.4 1629.5 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1630.288 1630.96 1630.46 1630.77 Yeah . 1630.77 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1631.208 1631.798 1631.35 1631.62 This ? 1631.62 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1632.28 1632.805 1632.36 1632.61 Yeah . 1632.61 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1632.347 1633.446 1632.41 1633.18 Yeah , it's four . 1632.55 1633.18 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1632.712 1634.582 1632.73 1634.38 Four . It's four Euros . 1633.43 1634.38 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1635.752 1643.69 1635.79 1643.56 Oh , them . Is that uh included ? In the twelve Euro or Okay , then we then we need to use it . 1636.29 1637.46 1639.66 1641.99 1643.56 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1638.401 1641.119 1638.44 1641.119 Yeah . So we are 1640.3 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1640.622 1641.791 1640.72 1641.5 Yeah , that's included . 1640.99 1641.5 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1641.195 1646.552 1641.24 1646.552 It's kind of weird that we we get this information now , afterwards . Because 1644.83 1646.01 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1646.696 1651.496 1646.73 1651.44 Yeah , no . Okay , so this is uh pretty much it this . 1647.03 1648.94 1649.23 1651.44 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1647.179 1647.642 1647.23 1647.48 Yeah . 1647.48 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1652.872 1655.158 1652.94 1655.11 Damn , solar cells are uh expensive . 1653.24 1655.11 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1654.852 1663.785 1654.93 1663.67 So I just want you Yeah , we just made it . So we can do the project evalu evaluation now for uh 1658.83 1659.7 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1665.096 1666.392 1665.12 1666.31 for everything together . 1666.31 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1666.226 1667.096 1666.39 1667.01 Okay . 1667.01 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1673.144 1673.89 1673.23 1673.56 Okay . 1673.56 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1676.606 1682.424 1676.91 1682.21 We can do some discussion about this . Was there room for creativity ? 1680.59 1682.21 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1683.745 1684.872 1683.85 1684.25 Sure . 1684.25 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1686.232 1687.304 1686.32 1687.13 Yes . 1687.13 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1693.864 1694.543 1694.01 1694.33 Okay . 1694.33 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1695.192 1700.011 1695.192 1699.78 Paul , was there room for crea creativity ? 1698.14 1699.78 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1697.098 1698.898 1697.098 1698.73 Beautiful . 1698.73 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1700.052 1705.08 1700.2 1705.08 Mm uh i Yeah , I think so . I think uh everyone uh already . So 1701.15 1702.1 1704.78 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1706.184 1709.256 1706.2 1709.1 Yeah m If we got a high mark for um - TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1710.648 1714.616 1710.67 1714.57 uh innovativeness or innovativity - TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1714.536 1715.208 1714.59 1715.11 Yeah . 1715.11 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1715.16 1716.428 1715.2 1716.25 Or a different style . 1716.25 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1715.688 1718.605 1715.71 1718.57 then there we probably have been creative . 1718.57 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1716.602 1719.4 1716.68 1719.4 I think we uh discussed a lot of things about it . So 1718.99 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1719.48 1719.895 1719.52 1719.69 Yeah . 1719.69 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1719.708 1720.581 1719.83 1720.34 Yeah . 1720.34 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1721.752 1727.548 1721.78 1727.45 We could make a lot of different uh remote controls . So it's creativity . 1725.57 1727.45 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1724.792 1725.689 1724.81 1725.689 Yeah . 1725.55 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1729.016 1729.624 1729.04 1729.42 Huh . 1729.42 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1737.048 1739.273 1737.11 1739.273 Okay , so the leadership 1737.35 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1740.536 1742.002 1740.56 1742.002 Was there a leadership and - TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1743.16 1744.32 1743.21 1744.1 Of course there was . 1744.1 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1744.464 1745.08 1744.49 1744.94 Okay . 1744.94 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1747.601 1748.912 1747.66 1748.63 What do you have to say about that ? 1748.63 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1748.809 1750.984 1748.9 1750.63 No , I think Yeah . 1749.4 1750.63 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1748.86 1753.48 1748.9 1753.48 Who was the leader ? 1753.03 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1750.5 1751.23 1750.54 1751.0 I dunno . 1751.0 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1752.168 1755.72 1752.168 1755.51 Just normal discussion , I think . Not 1754.58 1755.26 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1756.0 1757.784 1756.09 1757.784 Yeah . 1757.41 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1757.592 1759.08 1757.67 1759.05 one leader or something . 1759.05 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1759.337 1760.546 1759.42 1760.36 One leader to - TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1761.976 1763.749 1762.07 1763.54 check the time , etcetera . 1763.1 1763.54 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1764.248 1769.352 1764.45 1769.352 Yeah . And make notes . 1765.24 1769.2 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1767.048 1768.408 1767.07 1768.14 Yeah , I know . 1767.66 1768.14 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1769.832 1771.543 1770.05 1771.37 So more like a secretary . 1771.37 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1771.768 1772.283 1771.81 1772.13 Yeah . 1772.13 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1771.992 1788.711 1771.992 1788.67 Okay , next one . Uh team work um The the third meeting I think that one was pretty hard . We were not all We were not um agree with every not agree with . We're not finished . 1775.47 1776.38 1781.45 1787.5 1788.67 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1785.048 1787.787 1785.07 1787.46 Yeah yeah . We were not finished . 1786.48 1787.46 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1786.849 1792.68 1786.94 1792.68 Yeah , w we had so much information , that we get through email and just 1787.22 1789.96 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1789.672 1790.407 1789.88 1790.34 Uh . 1790.34 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1792.162 1807.144 1792.26 1806.67 Uh I think we we got wrong information at the wrong time . I think that was the m biggest problem . Like uh the prices . If we knew that before , we could have uh had discussion really uh s really quicker . 1795.98 1798.71 1800.12 1801.03 1806.67 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1798.024 1798.559 1798.08 1798.35 Yeah . 1798.35 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1798.568 1799.156 1798.59 1798.99 Yeah . 1798.99 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1802.716 1803.999 1802.76 1803.64 Yeah , th that's weird . 1802.94 1803.64 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1807.046 1808.056 1807.2 1807.89 Yeah , because 1807.43 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1809.332 1813.4 1809.4 1813.4 the prices uh could be twenty Euros or something now . And then 1812.4 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1811.88 1815.903 1811.95 1815.903 Yeah , and if you had uh fifteen Euros , then we would it . We had to 1812.18 1813.89 1814.72 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1815.144 1816.904 1815.144 1816.87 Yeah . 1816.87 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1815.186 1816.462 1815.48 1816.29 Hmm hmm yeah . 1816.29 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1817.96 1819.515 1817.99 1819.2 Yeah , finance . 1818.6 1819.2 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1819.406 1823.544 1819.52 1823.49 So we're bacal basically just lucky to uh get the price right . 1823.49 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1822.456 1822.935 1822.48 1822.79 Yeah . 1822.79 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1825.592 1827.045 1825.62 1826.82 But the teamwork was okay . 1826.82 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1827.026 1830.988 1827.13 1830.988 Yeah , uh everybody could speak their uh opinion . And uh 1827.74 1830.32 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1831.672 1839.304 1831.8 1839.25 I think uh everyone listen to each other . Like marketing said things and then we had to i include them in the design . 1834.89 1839.25 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1834.211 1834.539 1834.28 1834.47 Yeah . 1834.47 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1839.333 1840.012 1839.46 1839.88 Yeah . 1839.88 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1841.256 1841.608 1841.35 1841.56 'Kay . 1841.56 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1842.734 1856.12 1842.84 1856.06 Yeah , what I have to say about uh means . The smart board is okay . Digital pen is horrible . I dunno if you use it . But if you want to download it to your computer , it's doesn't work . No . 1842.95 1845.51 1847.73 1848.82 1849.65 1852.62 1855.83 1856.06 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1853.99 1854.9 1854.1 1854.73 Yeah . 1854.73 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1854.022 1867.09 1854.21 1866.86 It was Just doesn't work . Well uh smart board would be very uh nice to work with , if it worked really well . Just not work too slow . Yeah , more accurate . 1856.07 1861.17 1863.55 1865.31 1866.26 1866.86 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1856.616 1857.876 1856.65 1857.876 Digital pen or - TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1858.369 1860.955 1858.369 1860.5 Yeah . 1860.5 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1863.294 1867.103 1863.35 1866.83 Yeah , i if if it would be faster , it would be great . 1863.54 1865.42 1866.83 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1863.757 1868.12 1863.9 1868.01 Yeah , the drawings are are hard to make , I think . 1865.04 1867.5 1868.01 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1868.282 1870.728 1868.34 1870.68 Yeah , it's i It should be more accurate . 1868.85 1870.68 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1870.795 1871.637 1870.85 1871.57 Precise . 1871.57 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1870.832 1871.504 1871.08 1871.4 Yeah . 1871.4 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1873.208 1878.86 1873.23 1878.62 And uh I think it would be great if you could edit it from , just with a mouse , from where you're sitting . 1876.19 1877.72 1878.62 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1878.412 1879.083 1878.57 1878.87 Yeah . 1878.87 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1879.704 1881.951 1879.73 1881.73 Not just pointing out on it . 1881.73 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1881.147 1887.784 1881.26 1887.784 It's the same for the presenta for the presentations . You can do it from here . That's much easier than standing there . And so you've 1883.63 1884.46 1886.86 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1885.976 1886.486 1886.04 1886.29 Yeah . 1886.29 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1887.794 1890.016 1887.86 1889.82 Yeah , and p just point with a mouse . 1888.17 1889.82 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1894.003 1897.56 1894.07 1897.48 No use to draw on the board itself . It's just slows down . 1896.38 1897.48 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1897.864 1898.215 1897.89 1898.07 Yeah . 1898.07 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1897.932 1898.549 1897.98 1898.32 Yeah . 1898.32 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1899.745 1907.88 1899.81 1907.33 Just old fashioned kinda blackboard style . But you might as well do it in normal computer style . 1903.9 1907.33 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1902.039 1902.586 1902.11 1902.43 Yeah . 1902.43 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1904.134 1905.805 1904.24 1905.68 Yeah , like . 1904.77 1905.68 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1908.04 1911.256 1908.06 1911.2 Yeah , even harder to draw like this than black board style . 1908.32 1911.2 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1909.443 1910.709 1909.63 1910.61 Yeah . Yeah . 1910.31 1910.61 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1912.216 1914.328 1912.24 1914.18 And it's far too slow this way . 1914.18 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1914.248 1914.684 1914.27 1914.47 Yeah . 1914.47 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1915.899 1916.67 1916.0 1916.42 Okay . 1916.42 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1916.955 1919.864 1917.06 1919.81 You cou You could draw on it , but not as main function . 1918.38 1919.81 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1920.28 1920.858 1920.32 1920.58 No . 1920.58 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1921.193 1923.08 1921.193 1922.99 I think Yeah , okay . 1922.71 1922.99 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1923.544 1924.674 1923.66 1924.5 Digital pen . 1924.5 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1929.16 1932.618 1929.19 1932.54 So we made it in time . And we made a remote control . 1931.01 1932.54 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1933.032 1935.169 1933.032 1935.01 We did it . 1935.01 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1936.072 1937.455 1936.09 1937.36 In the budget , yeah . 1936.89 1937.36 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1938.997 1940.248 1939.11 1940.08 New ideas found . 1940.08 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1942.685 1943.544 1942.77 1943.5 New ideas . 1943.5 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1944.542 1945.271 1944.56 1945.01 What's that ? 1945.01 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1944.765 1945.548 1944.82 1945.548 Oh - TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1944.898 1945.992 1944.94 1945.992 For for for - TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1945.753 1948.038 1945.9 1948.038 I don't know what it mean . Just 1947.57 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1947.992 1949.688 1948.14 1949.688 I just think if we uh - TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1951.732 1954.088 1951.8 1954.03 To gather , or to uh 1952.35 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1956.68 1959.0 1956.76 1959.0 work together , uh or new ideas for 1957.45 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1958.948 1960.194 1959.26 1960.14 I dunno . 1960.14 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1959.227 1963.09 1959.46 1963.09 For remote control probably . No , for the project . 1961.61 1961.76 1962.91 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1963.544 1967.451 1963.64 1967.33 For remote control , a favourite for your text . 1965.36 1967.33 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1970.801 1971.447 1970.91 1971.27 Hmm . 1971.27 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 1970.978 1974.361 1971.06 1974.17 No , for the prototype . New ideas . 1971.38 1973.51 1974.17 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1977.45 1986.488 1977.52 1986.488 Yeah , but still , you couldn't make a fancy a f you couldn't make a a prototype out of this . Because we don't have any sizes and 1977.79 1978.56 1982.49 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 1986.408 1990.101 1986.48 1989.88 Yeah . But it's for the next team . We don't have to do that . 1987.33 1988.7 1989.88 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 1988.565 1993.028 1988.64 1992.95 Yeah , but it You can't possibly do that in such a short time , I think . 1989.36 1992.4 1992.95 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1989.232 1990.307 1989.26 1990.2 That's for . 1990.2 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 1998.856 2001.576 1998.88 2001.576 Yeah , this this is just the idea phase , the 1999.17 2001.13 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 2001.723 2004.028 2001.8 2003.9 Yeah , just brainstorming basically . 2002.42 2003.9 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2003.656 2004.113 2003.68 2003.96 Yeah . 2003.96 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2006.248 2007.227 2006.29 2007.227 Details uh - TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 2021.625 2023.192 2021.69 2022.99 So are we finished ? 2022.99 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2023.128 2023.784 2023.19 2023.74 Hmm . 2023.74 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 2023.768 2026.632 2023.79 2026.36 Yes , I think just I just write a final report . 2024.08 2026.36 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 2026.84 2028.862 2026.89 2028.79 Okay . Yeah . 2028.24 2028.79 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2027.167 2028.045 2027.22 2027.84 Quite early . 2027.84 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 2029.08 2030.628 2029.16 2030.44 No , we have only 2029.34 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 2031.784 2033.64 2031.8 2033.46 four minutes left . Uh it's okay . 2032.96 2033.46 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 2034.312 2035.245 2034.35 2035.04 Oh okay . 2035.04 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2035.272 2037.62 2035.35 2037.62 Oh , what do we have to do now . Do we uh 2035.91 2036.97 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2038.954 2041.224 2039.03 2040.97 I thought we were done at four o'clock ? 2040.97 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 2041.954 2044.886 2041.98 2044.886 It's now quarter past three . So 2044.44 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2044.952 2045.24 2044.98 2045.15 Yep . 2045.15 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2048.976 2051.448 2048.976 2051.34 I should take some pictures uh . 2051.34 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 2051.608 2052.23 2051.63 2052.16 Okay . 2052.16 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2052.637 2054.462 2052.77 2054.462 Mm we can do it afterwards , so 2053.99 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2053.928 2054.632 2053.98 2054.58 Yes . 2054.58 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2059.256 2060.743 2059.28 2060.52 Let's play minesweeper . 2060.52 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2060.936 2063.163 2060.936 2063.05 Yeah . I found it as well . 2062.0 2063.05 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2063.144 2067.16 2063.144 2067.1 Ti-din ti-din . 2067.1 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2085.992 2087.632 2086.09 2087.54 One two three - TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2089.129 2091.272 2089.22 2091.13 four five six seven cameras . 2091.13 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2095.304 2096.098 2095.34 2095.94 Mm not bad . 2095.94 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2184.725 2186.145 2184.82 2185.88 So that was it . 2185.88 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 2186.673 2189.526 2186.9 2189.11 Yeah . Now we can look at this . 2188.2 2189.11 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2199.247 2199.944 2199.43 2199.944 This is - TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 2199.992 2202.822 2199.992 2202.822 We're probably not supposed to look at this , but 2202.49 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2203.224 2204.568 2203.224 2204.53 The old versions . 2204.53 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 2205.016 2207.096 2205.04 2207.096 Yeah , from the previous group . 2205.24 2206.91 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2208.118 2209.708 2208.3 2209.45 They went for uh - TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2212.776 2217.56 2212.8 2217.5 for a universal device . Yeah , but also a different device . 2215.19 2215.5 2217.5 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 2213.84 2215.691 2213.91 2215.6 The touchscreen , yeah . 2215.13 2215.6 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 2217.72 2218.328 2217.74 2218.1 Yeah . 2218.1 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2219.08 2221.295 2219.12 2221.14 Then an L_C_D_ uh would be handy . 2221.14 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 2221.664 2222.104 2221.77 2222.04 Hmm . 2222.04 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 2223.96 2224.712 2223.98 2224.6 Here are the - TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 2225.928 2228.989 2225.96 2228.84 basic functions in here , the selecting dev devices . 2227.26 2228.84 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2229.224 2234.464 2229.24 2234.38 Yeah , and touch screens for all our stuff , yeah . I do agree with that . 2229.59 2231.4 2233.1 2234.38 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 2231.992 2232.483 2232.01 2232.34 Hmm . 2232.34 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2257.604 2259.144 2258.02 2258.96 Yeah , tu-dum . 2258.52 2258.96 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2261.687 2263.434 2261.82 2263.18 English is not so hard by the way . 2263.18 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 2263.827 2264.332 2263.92 2264.26 No . 2264.26 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2269.348 2271.4 2269.48 2271.21 I'm breaking a world record here . 2271.21 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2276.378 2277.287 2276.43 2277.06 Well , leader ? 2276.69 2277.06 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2281.122 2282.359 2281.24 2282.21 Oh shit . 2282.21 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2281.2 2282.595 2281.25 2282.3 Project Manager ? 2282.3 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2284.648 2286.635 2284.648 2286.38 We've got a problem , Paul . 2286.02 2286.38 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2286.996 2289.415 2287.18 2289.23 You do ? Yeah , you have to make a choice . 2287.35 2287.98 2289.23 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2287.704 2288.305 2287.77 2288.16 Yes . 2288.16 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2289.992 2291.096 2290.12 2290.95 No it's your choice . 2290.95 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2291.43 2292.707 2291.57 2292.64 Wow , that's pretty quick . 2291.76 2292.64 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2293.416 2295.904 2293.44 2295.904 Tu-dum . 2295.73 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2296.568 2298.184 2296.59 2298.184 Uh uh um - TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2298.162 2299.065 2298.22 2298.83 Just pick one . 2298.83 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2299.866 2301.957 2299.97 2301.85 You have to decide . 2301.85 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2303.603 2304.824 2303.74 2304.65 It's the lower one . 2304.65 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2305.693 2309.791 2305.83 2309.63 What's this ? A bomb or not a bo This the bomb ? 2306.57 2309.63 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2307.466 2309.986 2307.52 2309.94 No no , the upper one is the bomb . Yes . 2307.9 2309.58 2309.94 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2311.837 2312.542 2311.98 2312.22 Wrong . 2312.22 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2313.4 2318.295 2313.5 2318.295 Shit . I knew it . 2315.86 2318.24 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2314.931 2315.899 2315.01 2315.72 I knew it . 2315.72 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2328.146 2329.272 2328.18 2329.02 Four in a row . 2329.02 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2335.4 2337.378 2335.5 2337.22 No . That's too much work . 2336.33 2337.22 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2335.726 2338.638 2335.95 2338.638 Uh . 2338.46 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2343.112 2343.656 2343.14 2343.5 Come on . 2343.5 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2344.249 2345.727 2344.41 2345.63 Is that previous work ? 2345.63 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 2346.375 2347.705 2346.53 2347.29 Yeah , this one . 2346.9 2347.29 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2347.592 2348.648 2347.61 2348.56 I challenge you . 2348.56 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2353.592 2355.197 2353.61 2355.12 Oh , that's so stupid . 2353.85 2355.12 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2359.237 2360.442 2359.28 2360.21 No , that doesn't work . 2359.46 2360.21 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2361.48 2363.368 2361.55 2363.31 No , you gotta use the magic pen . 2361.8 2363.31 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2365.704 2366.264 2365.75 2366.21 Hmm . 2366.21 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2367.847 2368.568 2367.93 2368.48 What if - TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2370.264 2372.184 2370.43 2372.05 I put one - TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2373.576 2374.04 2373.62 2373.89 there ? 2373.89 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2374.137 2375.2 2374.27 2375.09 That's stupid . 2375.09 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2376.925 2377.636 2377.0 2377.45 We'll see . 2377.45 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2377.736 2378.392 2377.81 2378.21 Okay . 2378.21 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2383.401 2384.251 2383.44 2384.18 I don't agree . 2384.18 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2389.096 2390.024 2389.46 2389.97 Mm . 2389.97 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2397.032 2399.108 2397.032 2399.04 Sorry . 2399.04 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2398.558 2400.424 2398.6 2400.33 Yeah , you had two choices . 2399.08 2400.33 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2406.468 2407.547 2406.54 2407.38 That's gonna be draw . 2407.38 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2414.216 2414.95 2414.26 2414.76 Or not . 2414.76 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 2416.2 2416.627 2416.23 2416.53 Hmm . 2416.53 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2419.604 2420.32 2419.7 2420.19 Too bad . 2420.19 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2422.725 2429.127 2422.88 2429.127 I'll put it here . You are going to put it there . Then 2425.58 2428.5 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2425.244 2431.238 2425.29 2431.17 Yeah , then I put it there . No one wins . 2425.52 2430.29 2431.17 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2431.037 2434.263 2431.07 2434.14 It's a difficult choice , either here or there . 2433.22 2434.14 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 2437.944 2440.129 2438.05 2439.56 This is a very interesting design . 2439.56 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2449.128 2450.212 2449.128 2450.03 Ugly . 2450.03 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2450.949 2453.113 2451.07 2453.04 It's just the same as normal . 2453.04 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2453.653 2455.01 2453.72 2454.56 Oh a pen . 2454.56 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 2453.652 2457.641 2454.43 2457.38 Well it has a L_C_D_ , I think . 2456.9 2457.38 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2456.632 2457.455 2456.65 2457.455 Yeah , but 2457.1 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2456.889 2457.624 2456.93 2457.56 Okay . 2457.56 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2459.176 2460.583 2459.27 2460.48 Then do it correctly . 2460.48 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2460.568 2466.82 2460.568 2466.82 Stupid design . Stupid . 2464.08 2466.67 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 2461.112 2465.7 2461.112 2465.47 And what else do we have ? 2465.47 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2464.007 2466.792 2464.64 2466.7 Stupid , the L_C_D_ screen . 2465.8 2466.7 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2473.336 2477.048 2473.42 2477.048 'Kay wait , I'm going to draw something and you must y 2473.84 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2478.165 2478.769 2478.34 2478.55 What ? 2478.55 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2480.175 2482.104 2480.27 2482.03 Okay , I'm going to guess what you're drawing . 2480.62 2482.03 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2481.992 2483.25 2482.12 2483.17 Okay , blank . 2482.5 2483.17 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2483.992 2485.304 2484.03 2485.21 No no , the new one . 2484.46 2485.21 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2485.512 2487.403 2485.61 2487.403 Oh . 2487.28 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2486.924 2488.156 2486.98 2488.1 Uh they just don't save it . 2488.1 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2491.341 2492.73 2492.34 2492.73 Um - TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2496.507 2497.567 2496.63 2497.45 I know uh . 2497.45 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2498.77 2499.576 2498.94 2499.38 A house ? 2499.38 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2501.949 2504.454 2502.03 2504.1 Yeah , you have to use the pen s stupid . 2502.33 2504.1 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 2503.428 2505.511 2503.63 2505.24 You have to save everything , you know that , huh ? 2504.67 2505.1 2505.24 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2506.21 2507.608 2506.31 2507.55 No , not everything . 2506.79 2507.55 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2508.52 2509.191 2508.57 2509.12 Oh . 2509.12 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 2508.677 2509.518 2508.7 2509.44 Yeah , everything . 2509.0 2509.44 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2510.968 2512.872 2510.99 2512.62 Pen , select select pen . 2511.46 2512.62 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2511.36 2511.944 2511.47 2511.89 Pen . 2511.89 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 2512.904 2515.248 2512.92 2514.95 It wants to know what we do in our spare time . 2514.95 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2515.752 2516.366 2515.88 2516.25 Okay . 2516.25 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2518.493 2519.224 2518.59 2519.13 It's a house . 2519.13 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2521.64 2522.232 2521.69 2522.18 A plant ? 2522.18 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2522.549 2524.796 2522.66 2524.71 No , it's Only you can know it . 2522.82 2524.71 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2525.672 2526.867 2525.672 2526.69 Oh yeah , I can know it . 2526.1 2526.69 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2533.088 2534.184 2533.16 2534.184 It's a - TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2535.448 2537.44 2535.6 2537.01 It's uh very hard to draw . 2537.01 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2538.344 2541.38 2538.344 2541.25 Okay , that makes it easier . 2540.26 2541.25 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2547.192 2549.7 2547.23 2549.55 I think I know . No , wrong . 2548.72 2549.24 2549.55 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2555.778 2557.916 2555.94 2557.77 Mm . 2557.77 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2556.946 2560.344 2557.0 2560.15 I think I know what you're trying to draw , but it's wrong already . 2558.9 2560.15 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2560.758 2562.558 2560.87 2562.558 It's very - TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2568.648 2570.267 2568.67 2569.94 Yeah , you missed the right side . 2568.89 2569.94 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2574.872 2575.712 2575.0 2575.62 Fuck . F 2575.57 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2579.837 2581.89 2579.92 2581.7 No , you're wrong , you're wrong 2580.16 2580.91 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2581.432 2584.139 2581.432 2584.139 A little bit maybe , but 2583.86 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2599.064 2600.248 2599.08 2600.15 See where you're wrong now ? 2600.15 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2602.04 2603.028 2602.1 2602.88 The entrance . 2602.88 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2602.92 2605.124 2602.92 2605.03 Yeah . 2605.03 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 2604.728 2606.375 2604.75 2606.26 Warning . Finish meeting now . 2605.2 2606.26 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2607.832 2608.874 2607.85 2608.79 Alright . 2608.79 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2608.59 2611.432 2608.69 2611.28 Okay , the entrance is uh more to the left . 2609.19 2611.28 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 2611.592 2613.323 2611.66 2613.24 Warning . Warning . 2612.39 2613.24 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2613.026 2614.056 2613.08 2614.02 You're correct . 2614.02 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2614.76 2620.592 2614.79 2620.592 Okay . But but but I think this part 2616.14 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2621.0 2626.664 2621.54 2626.61 Yeah , but I think Oh no you made another mistake . 2621.84 2626.61 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2626.584 2632.824 2626.584 2632.68 Oh . Yeah , there are a lot of mistakes , because the walls are thick like this . 2629.03 2629.27 2630.37 2632.68 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2633.176 2640.408 2633.21 2640.27 No I w Okay , I'm not that whiny . But uh there was a big hole here as well , and there as well . 2634.61 2636.81 2639.65 2640.27 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2639.573 2644.32 2639.65 2644.22 Oh , that's true . Uh here . Yeah , they're walking behind the walls . 2639.82 2641.06 2642.57 2642.84 2644.22 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2641.752 2642.909 2641.79 2642.8 That's a kinda big mistake . 2642.8 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2644.472 2649.976 2644.472 2649.69 Warning , finish meeting now . 2648.61 2649.69 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2651.28 2653.256 2651.36 2653.13 Guys , I think we have to finish the meeting . 2651.71 2653.13 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 2654.269 2655.386 2654.38 2655.06 Okay . 2655.06 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2657.4 2658.792 2657.47 2658.66 'Kay this is a hard one . 2658.66 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2660.632 2661.0 2660.74 2660.92 Uh ? 2660.92 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 2664.76 2666.281 2664.78 2666.15 Boom-boa-ring-bing . 2666.15 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2667.88 2668.838 2667.9 2668.71 What does it say ? 2668.71 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 2669.464 2671.043 2669.48 2670.82 Fill in the questionnaire . 2670.82 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 2675.544 2676.408 2675.68 2676.16 What now ? 2676.16 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2678.44 2679.416 2678.59 2679.24 Come on . 2679.24 TS3004d A MTD013PM 0 2687.307 2688.741 2687.4 2688.54 Okay , yeah . 2688.19 2688.54 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 2687.928 2688.815 2688.1 2688.52 Okay . 2688.52 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2688.284 2688.793 2688.33 2688.69 Yep . 2688.69 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2688.435 2689.252 2688.5 2689.06 Okay . 2689.06 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 2692.036 2693.375 2692.08 2693.16 No more chit-chat . 2693.16 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2693.48 2694.595 2693.52 2694.54 Oh you gotta finish - TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2693.821 2695.635 2694.02 2695.28 Che-che-che-che . 2695.28 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2695.784 2702.331 2696.24 2702.14 over there ? In your own room ? I'm gonna be so lonely . 2697.68 2700.84 2702.14 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 2697.442 2698.213 2697.51 2697.81 Yeah . 2697.81 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2700.777 2701.45 2700.8 2701.25 Tu-dumm . 2701.25 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2705.098 2705.679 2705.15 2705.59 Uh . 2705.59 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2705.966 2708.137 2706.09 2708.02 Mm I'll clean that up later . 2708.02 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2710.728 2712.648 2710.78 2712.48 This is That's my new interface . 2712.48 TS3004d B MTD015UID 1 2713.394 2714.115 2713.48 2713.98 What's that ? 2713.98 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2715.49 2718.008 2715.56 2717.6 That's a uh edited smiley . 2717.6 TS3004d D MTD016ME 3 2728.808 2732.201 2728.86 2732.06 Tom-ti-dom . Uh . 2731.86 2732.06 TS3004d C MTD014ID 2 2739.261 2740.685 2739.71 2740.24 Okay . 2740.24 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 16.88 18.608 16.94 18.22 Good morning . 18.22 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 51.872 52.144 51.89 52.11 Sorry ? 52.11 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 53.312 55.139 53.33 54.9 Yeah , busy job . 54.31 54.9 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 62.96 63.968 62.98 63.45 Good morning . 63.45 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 70.928 71.68 71.47 71.68 So - TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 74.4 76.032 74.47 75.93 Oh , good morning everyone . 74.99 75.93 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 75.614 77.392 76.01 76.49 Good morning . 76.49 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 76.062 77.106 76.39 76.89 Good morning . 76.89 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 77.312 81.136 77.33 81.1 I'd uh like to welcome you to our first meeting . 81.1 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 82.88 85.072 82.9 85.0 I've prepared a little presentation . 85.0 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 86.752 117.14 86.77 116.96 My name is and uh I hope you will introduce yourself uh in a few minutes , as will I . Um I'm the Project Manager of this project , and uh , well I will tell you on what actually is the project . This is uh the agenda for our first meeting . Um this is the opening , then we will get I will hope we will get acquainted to each other . We'll do a little tool training with these two things . We'll take a look at the project plan . 91.83 93.27 96.42 97.33 101.98 106.19 108.15 112.06 115.33 116.96 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 117.14 143.535 117.23 143.32 Uh there will be time for discussion . Actually we have to discuss because we have to create a product . And then we will close this session . Um but first of all we I'd like to uh introduce you to this room . Um as you probably have noticed there are little black uh fields on the table . Um you have to put your laptop exactly in that field so the little cameras can see your face . Um there are cameras 118.67 122.62 125.73 130.8 136.03 142.19 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 144.352 154.192 144.46 154.16 everywhere around the room especially here for your face , of course , and this isn't a pie , it's a a set of microphones and there are microphones here also . But please uh don't be afraid of them . 146.5 146.72 148.2 152.6 154.16 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 155.264 171.76 155.4 171.71 They won't hurt you . Um well uh I said I'm the Project Manager and uh I'm hoping uh for a good project and uh I'd like to hear uh who you are and what your functions are uh on this project . Let's start with the ladies . 156.91 169.91 171.71 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 156.77 157.58 156.81 157.58 Well - TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 171.088 176.448 171.11 176.41 Well uh I'm uh and my uh function is User Interface Design , 176.41 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 177.616 180.896 177.64 180.76 I think . So uh that's me . 178.87 180.76 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 181.888 193.216 181.95 193.17 Okay , uh I'm uh I'm the Industrial Designer and I uh hope to uh look forward to uh a very uh pleasing uh end of this uh project . 182.4 193.17 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 193.36 194.447 193.39 194.34 Okay , so I . 193.78 194.34 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 194.032 194.448 194.05 194.41 Me too . 194.41 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 194.42 208.944 194.44 208.83 My name's . I'm uh Marketing Expert . My job is in the company to promote company or promote products to the customers . So I also h hope we have a pleasant uh working with uh with each other . 194.82 198.49 204.04 208.83 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 208.992 234.97 209.01 234.83 Okay , well we have some expertise from uh different pieces of the of the company . That's good . Um well I said uh we're working on a project and the aim for the project is to to create a to design a new remote control which uh has to be original , trendy and of course , user friendly . And uh I hope we have the expertise to create such a project such a product . 209.42 214.63 215.65 226.59 227.6 228.95 234.83 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 234.97 266.078 235.11 265.83 Um the way we hope to achieve that is uh the following methods . It consists of three phases , namely the functional design , conceptual design and detailed design . As you can see , all of these phases consists of two parts , namely individual work part and a meeting where we will discuss uh our work so far . Okay . But first I will uh tell you something about the tools we have here . I already talked about the cameras and microphones , but they are not of uh much use to us . Uh 239.05 241.36 242.63 244.93 245.89 248.31 255.18 256.11 259.77 261.82 265.29 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 266.078 292.423 266.29 291.89 we will have to take advantage of these two things . They are smart boards . As you can see , you can give a presentation on them . And uh this one here is a white board . I will uh instruct you about that soon . Um as you also noticed uh this presentation document is in our uh project folder and every document you put in this folder uh is uh it is possible to show that here in our meeting room . 268.51 269.86 270.51 272.81 276.74 279.82 291.89 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 292.423 324.416 292.69 324.38 Um and yeah there are available on both smart boards but I think we will uh mainly use this one for the documents in the shared folder . As you can see , this is the same tool bar uh as is located here . Um the most functions uh we will use will be to to add a new page , um uh to go back and forward between pages , and of course uh to save it every now and then . Um and this is the pen with which you can draw on the board , for instance 302.01 302.59 306.67 311.76 316.54 319.41 323.72 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 325.808 367.338 325.83 367.26 like this if everything's okay , but I first have to put it on the pen , you see I'm new to it too . Um and then you can write things like test or whatever you want . As you can see you have to move it a little bit slow , it's not such a fast board , it's a smart board but also a slow board . Uh but you can write things and of course you can also , when you click here , uh erase things , so we have uh est left . And um you can also delete an entire page , but we ask you not to do that . Just simply create a new one and uh start all over because we want to save all the results . Um does everyone understand this 327.07 329.02 330.51 336.14 338.11 340.2 342.64 346.22 347.04 348.39 351.43 354.41 355.84 364.37 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 331.904 332.144 331.92 332.1 Oh . 332.1 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 367.201 369.28 367.201 369.25 So we can't erase anything . 369.25 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 367.764 368.567 367.94 368.27 Mm-hmm . 368.27 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 368.096 368.479 368.12 368.31 Yeah . 368.31 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 368.381 377.504 368.45 377.41 nice application ? Well you can erase it with the eraser , but uh you shouldn't delete an entire page , but just create a new blank one . I will delete this one now because we don't use it yet . 369.58 371.29 373.31 375.42 377.41 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 373.504 373.712 373.52 373.62 Right . 373.62 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 373.828 374.519 374.09 374.27 S - TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 377.424 377.808 377.44 377.76 Alright . 377.76 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 378.8 405.216 378.82 405.18 But you can of course erase when you make a mistake , but don't uh delete entire pages . And you can also um let's see I think it's here uh change the uh colour of your pen , for instance take a blue one and uh change the line width like to five . Um that's what you will need for our first exercise , because I'm uh going to ask you to draw your favourite animal . 381.03 384.32 391.24 398.83 401.52 405.18 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 406.656 430.272 407.32 430.18 It's also to gets to know each other because um I'm asking three things , uh for that uh drawing , to do it on a blank sheet , with different colours and I just showed you how to pick a colour , and also with different pen widths which I also showed you . Um and a favourite characteristic can be just uh one word . Well I'm not very good at drawing , but I will uh go first 411.18 413.36 414.74 417.5 421.25 426.54 428.36 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 409.216 409.552 409.3 409.47 Okay . 409.47 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 431.28 433.616 431.42 433.616 and um try to draw - TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 435.318 438.357 435.56 438.357 Or maybe you should guess what I'm drawing , eh . 437.7 438.3 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 441.389 442.043 441.53 441.8 Good . 441.8 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 443.119 443.872 443.27 443.75 Hmm . 443.75 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 444.615 447.039 444.615 446.94 No . 446.94 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 445.392 446.656 445.41 446.656 It's a sheep . 446.15 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 448.512 450.384 448.55 450.23 Dinos Dinosaur . 450.23 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 449.097 452.048 449.32 452.048 Seal , a seal . 450.37 451.94 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 452.704 453.504 452.82 453.23 Beaver . 453.23 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 453.424 455.008 453.424 455.008 A beaver . 454.77 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 453.568 455.264 453.59 455.264 A be - TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 456.368 457.712 456.77 457.68 Well it uh - TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 457.104 458.88 457.13 458.88 It's weird . 458.58 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 458.8 459.76 458.82 459.6 could be everything . 459.6 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 460.144 461.779 460.18 461.53 Mm . With a tail and a mouth . 460.55 461.53 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 461.408 462.672 461.43 462.61 Maybe when I put on - TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 462.864 463.789 462.88 463.65 It has wings ? 463.65 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 463.552 463.856 463.57 463.82 Turtle . 463.82 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 464.416 465.072 464.44 465.03 this thing - TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 469.376 473.936 469.4 473.936 it could be a turtle , or a snail , and 472.05 473.66 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 471.248 473.408 471.27 473.408 Snail . 472.88 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 473.44 475.824 473.44 475.73 Well the snail doesn't have legs . 475.73 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 475.936 476.288 475.96 476.24 Okay . 476.24 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 477.486 480.592 477.74 480.55 But a turtle has . And those are slow . 478.97 480.55 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 482.16 494.512 482.18 494.48 And I hope our project group will not be slow , but we will uh work to a good result and do it uh as fast as we can . Okay , time for another animal . Would you like to go next ? 484.38 490.33 491.71 493.36 494.48 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 494.688 502.592 494.688 502.34 No problem . No problem . Mm . It was four months ? 497.48 500.25 500.99 502.34 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 495.097 496.164 495.19 495.88 Sure . 495.88 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 498.176 499.358 498.29 499.04 Oh right . 499.04 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 509.008 510.544 509.39 510.19 Nice , okay . 510.03 510.19 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 516.544 517.824 516.57 517.824 Well . 517.68 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 529.28 532.336 529.28 532.27 The hell . 532.27 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 536.224 541.184 536.224 541.04 To make it a little bit easier . 541.04 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 546.272 547.12 546.4 547.09 It's a giraffe . 547.09 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 547.92 549.984 547.94 549.984 Make that cute . 549.71 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 550.688 552.784 550.71 552.784 Or a dinosaur . 552.37 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 551.888 553.136 552.06 553.0 No , it's a giraffe . 552.26 553.0 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 557.072 560.0 557.09 559.88 'Kay . I think it's 558.9 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 561.456 562.992 561.51 562.94 easy to r uh to - TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 565.232 582.256 565.26 582.17 recognise as a giraffe . Yeah , the favourite charis characteristic is that the long neck , it can reach everything . And I hope I can also reach a lot with this project . So that's my favourite animal . 568.45 569.02 573.61 575.21 579.18 582.17 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 566.256 567.216 566.28 567.18 Yes . Giraffe . 566.98 567.18 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 566.784 567.088 566.81 567.05 Mm-hmm . 567.05 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 583.28 586.576 583.3 586.5 Okay . Could you write the words , uh underneath it ? 584.25 585.29 586.5 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 583.584 584.56 583.6 584.53 Anything else you need to know ? 584.53 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 586.912 588.606 586.95 588.606 Oh , uh 587.99 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 587.184 588.672 587.26 588.46 Or more words . 588.46 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 592.32 595.312 592.32 595.312 Tall . 594.71 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 596.448 596.736 596.53 596.7 Tall . 596.7 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 597.84 600.4 597.86 600.01 So , 'kay . 598.99 600.01 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 598.924 599.904 599.23 599.904 Should I uh - TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 603.568 604.288 603.64 604.24 Alright . 604.24 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 605.328 606.688 605.35 606.688 So I can draw , but uh 606.23 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 609.536 610.048 609.58 610.01 Uh . 610.01 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 612.387 613.126 612.55 612.96 Well . 612.96 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 616.896 617.552 616.896 617.51 Oh . 617.51 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 620.736 622.745 621.72 622.745 B - TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 621.621 622.565 621.83 622.44 It's a mouse . 622.44 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 624.293 627.584 624.48 627.584 Bunny rabbit . 627.49 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 624.789 627.184 625.09 627.184 A bunny rabbit . 626.98 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 643.474 645.185 643.7 645.14 Oh wrong one . 645.14 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 651.447 652.268 651.71 652.1 Uh . 652.1 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 657.392 660.752 657.392 660.752 Well uh you can guess what it is , I hope . 659.73 660.35 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 660.528 661.872 660.56 661.83 Uh-huh . No problem . 661.33 661.83 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 661.792 668.922 661.81 668.69 It's a rabbit . And uh well uh it's uh quick , I guess . 663.36 668.23 668.69 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 662.16 663.374 662.19 662.97 Little rabbits . 662.97 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 679.168 681.328 679.19 681.328 That's uh my uh favourite animal . 681.16 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 681.3 682.24 681.37 682.21 Okay , thank you . 681.9 682.21 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 681.36 682.407 681.41 681.73 Okay . 681.73 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 686.064 687.232 686.08 687.2 And our final drawing . 687.2 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 687.966 689.115 688.18 688.71 Bob Ross . 688.71 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 710.95 711.852 711.25 711.68 Dolphin . 711.68 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 710.672 712.864 711.44 712.864 A dolphin . 712.67 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 711.712 716.176 711.712 715.98 Okay , um . 715.54 715.98 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 723.84 732.928 724.34 732.75 Uh I uh draw I I've drawn a dolphin because of its intelligence . One of the most intelligent uh 729.74 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 729.906 730.736 730.2 730.58 Right . 730.58 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 732.67 733.221 732.71 733.13 Mm-hmm . 733.13 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 736.384 740.16 736.42 740.05 animals in our world . 740.05 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 740.336 740.964 740.36 740.64 Well . 740.64 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 742.08 748.352 742.1 748.29 Yeah intelligent . I've I've uh Eraser . 745.41 748.29 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 744.517 745.543 744.76 745.42 With an E_ . 745.42 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 748.384 750.224 748.4 750.224 You can try out the eraser now . 750.18 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 752.832 753.568 753.01 753.27 Pen . 753.27 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 757.28 759.68 757.33 759.56 Well not perfect , but okay . 758.25 759.56 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 759.936 765.511 759.96 765.1 Okay , well thank you very much . I can see we have some uh drawing talent uh in this group , huh ? 760.45 761.52 764.94 765.1 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 764.304 765.888 764.304 765.888 Not really . 765.78 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 766.768 792.848 766.79 792.81 Well , nice animals , nice words . Sounds good . Um back to business , back to the money part . Um from the finance department I have learned that we are aiming for a selling price of twenty five Euros . And we're hoping for a aim of fifty million Euros and uh we are hoping to achieve that uh by aiming for an international market . And the production cost will be twelve Euro fifty max . 767.12 767.84 770.16 771.08 773.66 775.72 781.37 789.62 792.81 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 794.448 814.528 795.03 814.36 Okay , well it's time uh for some discussion . I've wrote down some examples here of what we can can speak about . Uh what's your experience with remote controls , um what kind of ideas do you have to design a new remote control , maybe for which market segments should we aim , or should we aim for all segments . Uh well actually I'd like to hand the word uh back to you . 795.42 797.75 800.72 803.37 807.11 810.05 811.99 814.36 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 815.552 818.72 815.57 818.62 What's your experience with remote control ? 818.62 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 819.984 828.352 820.0 828.32 A lot of buttons . And you always lose them . A lot of buttons which you don't use or who you don't use Complex . 821.37 823.33 828.32 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 820.075 823.312 820.1 823.05 I always lose them . Yes . 822.41 823.05 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 820.904 821.807 821.32 821.54 Yeah . 821.54 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 824.683 825.331 824.81 825.09 Yeah . 825.09 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 826.054 826.789 826.16 826.45 Mm-hmm . 826.45 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 826.471 827.696 826.63 827.1 Complex . 827.1 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 827.724 828.322 828.02 828.27 Yeah . 828.27 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 830.272 831.296 830.29 831.24 Not user friendly . 831.24 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 831.427 834.624 831.427 834.624 search for the buttons , which one is which and uh 833.39 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 831.52 832.032 831.54 832.0 No . 832.0 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 833.534 834.501 833.91 834.43 No . 834.43 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 836.976 838.096 837.15 837.87 Boring . 837.87 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 838.48 841.282 838.5 841.14 Boring , it's not fun to use a remote . 839.24 841.14 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 840.304 842.976 840.32 842.7 No . Black , all black . 841.55 841.94 842.7 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 840.928 841.184 840.96 841.13 Mm . 841.13 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 842.148 842.969 842.24 842.68 Well . 842.68 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 843.28 843.584 843.36 843.55 Mm-hmm . 843.55 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 843.456 845.008 843.48 844.97 So , yeah . 844.66 844.97 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 843.546 845.475 843.94 845.39 Black colours . 845.39 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 845.648 847.312 845.67 847.28 Well maybe we should try to make it fun . 847.28 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 847.408 847.856 847.44 847.78 Mm-hmm . 847.78 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 847.984 852.144 847.984 852.03 They use batteries and batteries uh and poor signal . 852.03 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 852.784 853.088 852.81 853.05 Mm-hmm . 853.05 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 853.248 853.52 853.27 853.49 Yeah . 853.49 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 853.44 854.288 853.69 854.22 Uh . 854.22 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 854.266 856.48 854.47 856.4 The the angle you have to use . 856.4 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 854.446 862.912 854.77 862.88 Perhaps that you have a lot of road remotes r road con remote controls . Yes , perhaps you can integrate them or something . 859.97 860.68 862.88 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 857.376 861.072 857.4 861.04 You had different remote controls for different devices . Yes . 860.79 861.04 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 858.496 860.224 858.56 860.19 Yeah , different remote controls , yeah . 858.91 859.98 860.19 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 863.392 865.728 863.41 865.68 Uh for the use of different uh devices . 865.68 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 864.525 865.235 864.71 865.1 Yes . 865.1 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 866.032 866.224 866.09 866.19 Yeah . 866.19 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 866.224 868.08 866.42 868.04 Your stereo and your T_V_ and uh . 868.04 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 866.496 867.026 866.52 866.77 Mm-hmm . 866.77 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 870.144 871.97 870.17 871.64 Perhaps that's an idea . 871.64 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 870.896 876.336 870.92 876.336 Yeah but then again you you still have a lot of buttons , so 875.93 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 875.024 877.79 875.04 877.49 Yeah , that's right . And which you don't use . 875.31 876.52 877.49 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 876.256 881.44 876.31 881.24 Yeah but you could uh I thin uh there's a possibility to g uh to uh - TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 883.36 890.208 883.43 890.17 to put those buttons uh behind some uh kind of uh protection so that if y y you only get to see them when you need 'em . 890.17 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 886.586 888.156 886.82 887.88 Flap yeah . 887.88 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 887.628 888.337 887.9 888.15 Right . 888.15 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 890.32 895.25 890.34 895.19 Yeah , okay , that's possible , but it'll get very big the the remote control . 890.6 890.88 892.53 895.19 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 891.808 925.584 891.83 925.4 That's possible , so that you only get the No n n no , just Uh for example you got th uh the same size uh remote control you use everyday , but um the usual buttons such as uh um zapping uh as you call it in Dutch . Uh and the volume control uh are only the only possible buttons uh to use directly . Or uh the numbers , of course . But uh not uh the buttons used to search on the the channels on your television . You only use those uh the first time , or . 892.38 895.02 900.93 908.23 914.43 916.47 917.77 923.15 925.13 925.4 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 893.856 897.006 893.856 897.006 Yeah . You should just give it to . 894.82 896.59 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 901.326 901.891 901.35 901.82 Mm-hmm . 901.82 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 907.696 909.996 907.696 909.95 Changing channel . 909.95 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 914.242 914.769 914.32 914.59 Mm-hmm . 914.59 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 914.288 915.584 914.32 915.38 Mm-hmm . numbers . 915.06 915.38 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 917.915 918.966 918.13 918.83 On and off . 918.83 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 925.728 927.858 925.78 927.41 Yeah , play , pause , stop . 926.45 926.66 927.14 927.41 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 926.259 927.696 926.53 927.65 So . Uh . 927.35 927.65 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 927.616 932.912 927.64 932.86 Mm-hmm . So maybe a a minimalist design , the least uh possible amount uh of buttons . 928.18 930.2 932.86 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 929.984 931.104 930.0 931.07 Yeah , I think so , yeah . 930.32 930.9 931.07 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 930.715 931.381 930.89 931.23 Yes . 931.23 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 932.832 941.168 932.85 941.03 But you should make sure that you have every button they need on it . Because uh things for uh teletext , I dunno uh , w what's the name ? 935.92 938.59 939.57 941.03 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 935.808 936.832 935.84 936.74 Mm-hmm , of course . 935.98 936.74 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 938.864 944.64 938.89 944.58 Yeah , uh teletext . think so . Okay . 940.29 942.98 944.23 944.58 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 942.32 942.672 942.36 942.63 Mm-hmm . 942.63 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 945.472 952.32 946.01 952.23 So you don't want to bother people with uh loads of buttons , but on the other hand they need many buttons so they don't have to get out of their seat . 949.1 952.23 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 949.088 949.376 949.11 949.34 No . 949.34 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 952.848 955.252 952.87 955.252 Yeah . But 953.73 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 953.024 953.408 953.05 953.31 Yeah . 953.31 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 953.808 954.08 953.88 954.04 Right . 954.04 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 954.48 960.96 954.5 960.93 Because I think a market will be all kind of people . Elderly p el elderly , young people , so . 957.43 959.19 960.69 960.93 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 958.768 976.96 958.8 976.96 But if if it's if it's international you should uh look in think in Britain they have uh different things they can do with the T_V_ , or so uh that you can choose what you want to see . I dunno if you should uh take that in consideration , or that you just should aim for the normal T_V_s that uh 967.3 969.93 974.14 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 974.56 975.136 974.58 975.04 Uh . 975.04 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 977.296 979.536 977.44 979.536 Yeah I think that's the better one , because 979.21 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 977.52 978.915 977.54 978.6 Yeah I I understand . 978.6 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 978.896 980.32 978.92 980.11 And the B_B_C_ . 980.11 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 980.88 991.328 980.9 991.29 I think if you you're going to target a lot of people and the whole world and only Britain then I think the cost will uh rise higher than the twelve fifty , I think . 990.86 991.29 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 987.072 988.315 987.072 988.18 No . 988.18 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 987.688 989.066 987.71 988.68 Yes . 988.68 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 991.248 993.961 991.27 993.67 Yeah , I don't know if the they have that anywhere else , though . 991.43 993.33 993.67 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 991.838 995.952 992.02 995.91 I think the aim is better to use uh the whole world and Britain , yeah . 995.67 995.91 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 995.335 996.033 995.5 995.94 Yeah . 995.94 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 996.608 998.007 996.63 997.97 Yeah , we can leave that . 996.83 997.97 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 997.232 1002.832 997.25 1002.75 When I think of it uh I think the main idea uh of this remote remote control is uh - TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 997.596 998.418 997.62 998.18 Not that much . 998.18 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 1004.352 1030.922 1004.37 1030.922 to make it user friendly . So uh I think uh when p uh when uh the customers will buy this remote control , they already have uh the remote control which uh companies uh uh with uh the the standards uh remote control with which comes uh with the television . So uh it only has to have uh the most used buttons . You don't have to integrate the buttons to search the channels on your television . In those in that 1005.59 1011.94 1020.84 1025.54 1029.33 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 1015.328 1018.043 1015.4 1017.7 Mm . Standard deliver . 1016.07 1017.7 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 1015.522 1016.384 1015.56 1016.28 Yeah . 1016.28 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 1020.528 1020.832 1020.56 1020.8 Mm-hmm . 1020.8 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 1020.624 1021.654 1020.64 1020.95 Mm . 1020.95 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 1029.295 1030.654 1029.52 1030.654 No but - TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 1029.283 1034.896 1029.65 1034.896 Well but but then you have to to find your other remote control if you want to search . That's not 1034.52 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 1031.792 1036.405 1031.81 1036.405 Yeah . Yeah , th it it's I think that's not 1032.84 1033.28 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 1035.088 1059.712 1035.11 1059.712 Yeah but I but it is impossible to uh to accommodate uh accommodate uh all the buttons on the s on the difference different televisions sets on one remote control . It's impossible . Because uh for example Sony television uh has the opportunity to s to make uh uh to make it possible for to see on one side of the screen uh teletext , and on the other side uh just n uh regular television . Uh 1046.17 1047.68 1056.22 1059.03 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 1042.195 1044.85 1042.73 1044.76 Yeah , that's right . 1042.97 1044.76 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 1046.784 1048.165 1046.8 1048.03 Yeah , okay . 1047.04 1048.03 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 1056.262 1057.052 1056.6 1056.87 No . 1056.87 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 1056.945 1059.362 1057.12 1059.23 Yeah that's uh . 1059.23 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 1058.989 1062.384 1059.28 1061.95 I think n m n most televisions nowadays do this . 1061.95 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 1062.032 1069.952 1062.31 1069.89 Yeah , but uh they don't use the same signal , uh on remote control . Because you can't use a Panasonic uh remote control on a on a Philips television . 1062.55 1064.68 1066.21 1069.89 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 1063.003 1064.306 1063.07 1064.16 Well not everywhere . 1064.16 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 1063.285 1065.711 1063.57 1065.53 So I think numerals . 1065.53 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 1069.872 1088.464 1069.89 1088.18 Yeah , but then you have to choose the this always with r universal remotes you have to choose the code . You can use which which type of television you have . That's no problem . But I think like the two pages on the same screen , like teletext and normal television , that's that's nowadays standard , I think . 1070.08 1075.11 1077.64 1078.83 1082.51 1085.06 1087.52 1088.18 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 1073.888 1075.795 1073.91 1075.63 Yeah , you can choose the code . 1074.0 1075.63 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 1075.2 1076.832 1075.22 1076.79 Okay . Okay . 1076.4 1076.79 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 1078.672 1079.296 1078.69 1079.25 Okay . 1079.25 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 1087.568 1110.128 1087.66 1110.05 Okay , but uh I think that most people uh th uh will buy the remote control because because uh the first they lost the one they lost first one or the first one is broken , so uh uh perhaps they have a got a an older television , so that option is not uh optional for those uh people . 1088.01 1099.47 1105.48 1110.05 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 1095.214 1096.196 1095.37 1095.98 Simplicity . 1095.98 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 1098.24 1099.158 1098.38 1098.88 Yeah . 1098.88 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 1099.664 1100.032 1099.68 1100.0 Yeah , yeah . 1099.89 1100.0 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 1104.928 1105.536 1104.96 1105.33 Mm-hmm . 1105.33 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 1107.005 1107.907 1107.35 1107.63 Yeah . 1107.63 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 1107.195 1109.288 1107.61 1108.89 Yeah g available . 1108.89 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 1109.352 1116.16 1109.9 1116.13 But the people have a new television , and c if you look into the future , then they want will want the button , if their thing is broke . 1111.58 1113.21 1114.94 1116.13 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 1109.97 1110.534 1110.03 1110.26 True . 1110.26 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 1114.016 1115.2 1114.04 1115.16 Yeah , yeah . 1114.98 1115.16 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 1114.049 1114.866 1114.27 1114.77 Yeah . 1114.77 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 1116.624 1118.256 1116.8 1118.22 So we should take that in consideration . 1118.22 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 1118.229 1118.886 1118.42 1118.64 Yeah . 1118.64 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 1118.544 1119.04 1118.56 1118.8 Mm-hmm . 1118.8 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 1119.36 1119.728 1119.39 1119.69 Mm-hmm . 1119.69 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 1121.024 1121.6 1121.15 1121.55 Mm-hmm . 1121.55 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 1121.584 1123.744 1121.6 1123.66 Okay , well any more ideas ? 1121.96 1123.66 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 1125.488 1129.408 1125.57 1129.37 Oh mm , no . Things'll come up . 1127.59 1128.71 1129.37 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 1127.74 1128.93 1128.03 1128.81 Of course . 1128.81 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 1128.176 1128.496 1128.21 1128.46 No ? 1128.46 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 1127.997 1129.105 1128.34 1129.05 Guess not . 1129.05 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 1129.536 1130.064 1129.75 1129.98 Yeah . 1129.98 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 1130.176 1148.896 1130.25 1148.86 Okay , yeah well we have some time . Let's see what more I have to tell you . I don't think there is much left . Nope . We're starting to close . Um our next meeting uh will start well we're a little bit early , but our next meeting will start in in thirty minutes . In the meantime uh there's time for some uh individual actions . 1130.56 1133.8 1135.82 1137.71 1138.17 1139.51 1143.11 1145.7 1148.86 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 1150.672 1154.496 1150.69 1154.36 Um , as you can see , the different roles have uh different tasks . 1151.39 1151.8 1154.36 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 1156.57 1159.808 1156.71 1159.7 And there's a ping . Is it my laptop ? 1159.0 1159.7 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 1159.6 1160.16 1159.75 1160.0 Yeah . 1160.0 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 1161.488 1162.016 1161.51 1161.89 Yep . 1161.89 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 1162.304 1164.8 1162.32 1164.07 Stop the meeting now . 1164.07 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 1163.118 1187.252 1163.25 1187.22 Ah well that's good , five minutes and uh the meeting's over , uh right on schedule . Um the Marketing Expert will uh will take a look at the user requirement specification . The User Interface Designer will work out the technical functions design . And this was the Interface Designer ? Or the Interaction Designer . Or what was it , I_D_ ? Interface Designer , okay , first guess was right . Uh will take a look at the the working design . 1165.09 1166.93 1168.89 1173.46 1177.77 1179.52 1181.35 1182.03 1182.51 1183.17 1183.41 1184.78 1187.22 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 1163.222 1166.192 1163.38 1166.192 Yeah meeting will close in five minutes . 1165.99 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 1167.152 1167.456 1167.17 1167.41 Okay . 1167.41 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 1179.875 1182.678 1180.11 1182.61 Hmm hmm . No interface . 1181.58 1182.61 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 1180.544 1181.968 1180.58 1181.81 Mm . No ? 1181.59 1181.81 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 1181.341 1182.576 1181.65 1182.54 Interface . 1182.54 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 1187.072 1197.264 1187.12 1197.03 No , the Industrial Designer will take a look at the working design , and the in uh usability interaction Yeah , okay . Okay . 1187.33 1189.37 1193.23 1195.2 1197.03 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 1187.406 1188.81 1187.64 1188.7 No the Yeah . 1188.7 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 1191.824 1193.831 1191.84 1193.72 Industrial Designer , okay , sorry . 1192.82 1193.48 1193.72 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 1194.256 1202.832 1194.256 1202.8 Let's just use the acronyms . Um and of course specific instructions uh will be sent to you uh through your personal coach . 1197.89 1202.8 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 1197.784 1198.556 1197.86 1198.556 So - TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 1203.28 1209.339 1203.3 1209.339 So I should look at uh what you should be able to do with the remote , or uh , or how I don't really 1206.95 1207.88 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 1208.318 1213.712 1208.62 1213.712 Uh well those instructions will be uh in the email you will receive uh shortly , I hope . 1212.49 1213.42 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 1210.006 1212.219 1210.16 1212.09 Right . Alright . 1211.62 1212.09 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 1212.976 1214.64 1212.976 1214.64 Me too . 1214.51 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 1214.56 1221.264 1214.58 1221.12 And of course you have your own uh expertise . Well uh that was what I had to say . Uh are there any more questions ? 1217.25 1219.58 1221.12 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 1217.489 1218.762 1217.67 1218.49 Uh-huh . 1218.49 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 1219.76 1220.096 1219.78 1220.06 Okay . 1220.06 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 1221.904 1222.704 1221.95 1222.63 No . 1222.63 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 1222.8 1223.36 1222.84 1223.25 No . 1223.25 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 1223.632 1229.424 1223.65 1229.38 No ? Okay well I think then we have to head uh back to our offices and uh start working . 1224.24 1229.38 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 1229.36 1234.736 1229.48 1234.736 I have one question . Where does it says we have to make a remote , because I presumed 1231.42 1233.29 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 1229.696 1230.032 1229.72 1229.98 Okay . 1229.98 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 1230.127 1231.344 1230.26 1231.31 Okay , one question ? 1230.76 1231.31 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 1231.264 1231.472 1231.29 1231.41 Oh . 1231.41 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 1239.52 1240.32 1239.54 1240.28 She didn't know who . 1240.28 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 1243.024 1244.576 1243.04 1244.54 Okay , no , no problem . 1243.46 1244.04 1244.54 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 1245.104 1248.288 1245.104 1248.23 No problem . Okay . 1247.95 1248.23 TS3005a A MTD017PM 0 1245.347 1256.592 1245.6 1256.56 Okay we're still going . Okay , well I expect everything will be much clearer with the instructions we will receive uh shortly . Okay well uh see you all in about thirty minutes , then . Thank you very much . 1247.44 1247.65 1253.43 1255.55 1256.16 1256.56 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 1246.622 1250.368 1246.622 1250.22 No problem . Yeah . 1249.98 1250.22 TS3005a D MTD020ME 3 1252.13 1253.394 1252.27 1253.18 Mm-hmm . 1253.18 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 1252.121 1253.119 1252.33 1252.86 Alright . 1252.86 TS3005a C MTD018ID 2 1254.032 1257.304 1254.05 1257.14 Alrighty . Okay . 1255.97 1257.14 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 1255.68 1255.888 1255.7 1255.85 Yeah . 1255.85 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 1268.912 1270.032 1269.26 1270.032 Yeah . 1269.91 TS3005a B FTD019UID 1 1273.712 1276.26 1273.73 1276.12 Okay . 1276.12 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 13.728 15.76 13.79 15.55 Good morning , again . 14.81 15.55 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 48.274 49.026 48.48 48.99 One question . 48.99 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 51.3 56.143 51.49 56.143 Yeah . Choose a number ? 54.67 56.07 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 53.949 57.134 53.949 57.134 Send . Submit . 55.56 57.01 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 74.327 76.233 74.327 76.08 Yep yep yep yep . 76.08 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 78.352 84.224 78.37 84.09 All set ? Good . Okay . 79.88 81.96 84.09 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 78.181 79.904 78.51 79.55 Mm . Yeah . 79.25 79.55 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 79.024 79.36 79.06 79.32 Mm-hmm . 79.32 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 86.896 90.768 87.9 90.72 Let's see what we can find here . 90.72 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 95.168 152.616 95.19 152.33 Okay . A very warm welcome again to everyone . Um here we are already at our uh functional design meeting . Um and this is what we are going to do . The opening , which we are doing now , um and the special note , I'm project manager but on the meetings I'm also the secretary , which means I will make uh minutes as I did of the previous meeting . And uh I also put these as fast as possible in the uh project folder , so you can see them and review what we have discussed . Um if I'm right , there are three presentations , I guess each one of you has prepared one ? Good . And um we will also take a look at new project requirements , um if you haven't heard about them yet . And then of course we have to take a decision on the remote control functions and we have some more time , forty minutes . But I think we will need it . Um well I don't know who wants to go first with his presentation . 96.49 100.27 104.44 107.21 107.88 109.24 111.11 113.85 118.17 122.49 126.15 127.24 128.83 131.19 131.97 135.09 138.02 143.33 144.23 146.57 152.33 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 130.49 131.557 130.82 131.35 Yes . 131.35 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 151.984 153.646 152.0 153.6 I'll go first . Okay . I'll go first yeah . 152.62 152.95 153.6 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 152.8 152.992 152.82 152.96 Yeah . 152.96 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 153.113 153.775 153.23 153.47 Well . 153.47 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 153.392 154.496 153.41 154.43 You can go first , okay . 154.07 154.43 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 155.187 157.44 155.55 157.26 Well , shall I go first with the users ? 155.65 157.26 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 158.381 164.672 158.61 164.672 Well everybody already has his presentation , so you can adjust it . 162.71 164.47 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 158.976 160.905 159.0 160.905 I think well okay no problem . 160.37 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 160.304 161.649 160.32 161.649 Is there an order ? I haven't 160.99 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 161.68 163.604 161.7 163.51 Ja precies , ja precies , ja precies 162.37 163.1 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 162.721 164.073 163.05 164.03 So . Huh ? 163.79 164.03 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 164.592 166.72 164.61 166.72 Okay , um 165.28 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 167.488 170.048 167.57 169.98 And one question , uh your name Denni , is it with a 168.37 169.39 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 170.624 171.216 170.66 171.18 E_I_E_ . 171.18 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 171.376 174.304 171.4 173.89 I_E_ E_I_E_ , okay . Thank you . 172.43 173.47 173.89 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 176.64 185.248 176.67 185.21 Okay , um I wanted to explain the working design of the remote control . It's possibly very handy if you want to uh design one of those . Um 177.39 180.94 184.58 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 186.976 207.248 186.976 207.21 well so it basically works uh as I uh uh r wrote down uh in this uh little uh summary . Uh when you press a button , uh that's when you do pr for example when you uh want to turn up the volume , um a little connection is made uh the the rubber uh button just presses on a 195.07 197.47 201.15 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 208.768 210.181 208.79 210.181 Sorry . 210.03 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 208.992 214.976 209.01 214.92 on a little print plate uh which uh makes uh uh a connection that uh - TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 216.096 263.2 216.12 263.16 gives the chips , uh which is uh mounted beneath those uh that plastic of a rubber button . Uh senses that a connection has been made , and know and knows what button you pressed , becau uh for example the the volume up or volume down button . Um uh the the chip uh makes a Morse code uh like uh signal which uh then is si uh signalled to uh several transistors which makes uh which sends the signal to a little let . You know what a let is ? Okay . And that makes uh the the infra-red lights signal which is sent to the television set . Uh which has a sensor in it to uh sense uh the signal of the infra-red . 217.28 221.15 223.55 225.61 229.17 247.72 249.15 250.01 257.2 263.16 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 248.992 249.264 249.01 249.23 Yeah . 249.23 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 264.48 266.08 264.5 266.05 That's basically uh how it works . 266.05 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 267.216 296.08 267.26 295.9 Um the findings uh uh that I found uh searching up some uh detailed information about the remote controls , are that uh they are very easy to produce , uh it is pis uh it's possible to uh make them in mass production because it is as eas it is as easy as uh printing a page , uh just uh fibreglass plate um is b uh is uh covered with uh some uh coatings and uh uh 276.05 278.22 286.95 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 297.136 312.128 297.136 312.09 and chips . Uh and the technology's already available , we don't have to find out how remote controls uh have to work or uh how that how uh to make some chips that are possible to uh to to transmit those uh signals . 299.3 301.15 312.09 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 314.336 315.584 314.36 315.53 Uh I made a little uh - TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 316.624 317.232 316.64 317.14 uh - TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 318.432 322.672 318.45 322.59 animation of about how a tran our uh remote controller works . 322.59 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 321.316 322.135 321.39 321.98 Oh right . 321.98 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 322.912 326.048 322.912 326.048 Animation . 325.63 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 326.976 327.888 326.976 327.84 we tel - TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 327.808 329.216 327.83 329.18 There is something turning . 329.18 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 329.136 329.584 329.27 329.53 There . 329.53 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 329.904 334.535 330.03 334.535 Yeah , it's a little bug it's in the in the smart board . 330.26 334.48 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 332.24 357.552 332.24 357.5 Okay . Uh well the sub-component , I suppose that you understand what a sub-component is , is f in this example it's the button . Uh when it is pressed down , um , the switch is ter is uh is switched on , so with uh the wire is sent to the to the chip in uh co-operation with the battery of course , because to make uh a a signal possible you have to have some sort of uh 334.57 336.07 338.15 340.56 342.17 343.04 346.33 352.47 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 358.72 362.064 358.78 362.064 li uh a d ad uh electronic uh - TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 362.128 363.168 362.15 363.04 Infrared light . 363.04 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 363.44 381.104 363.46 381.07 Yes , uh , okay . Um w after it's being composed by the chip uh the signal uh is transported uh to the infra-red bulb , and from there it signals a Morse code-like signal to the to the b to the bulb in uh in the television set . 363.84 364.26 364.77 373.02 381.07 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 383.408 444.16 383.43 444.11 Okay . S Uh I wrote down some personal preferences about uh the remote control . Of course it is very handy if the remote control is hand held , so you don't have to uh uh wind it up or something , or just is it's it's very light to uh to make uh to use it . Uh I personally uh pref prefer that uh it would be p uh come available in the various colours , and uh easy to use buttons . But I suppose that the one of the other team members uh uh thought of that uh too . And it is possible for several designs and um easy to use b uh sorry , easy to use buttons . Perhaps soft touch , uh touch screen uh buttons because uh the rubber buttons are always uh uh they uh slightly uh they can be slightly damaged , uh so the numbers on the buttons are not possible uh to read anymore . And uh well as I said uh before th uh we can uh make several designs . Okay , well , that's my contribution to this meeting , and uh 384.0 387.93 391.83 395.16 400.06 408.62 410.13 417.1 422.6 423.66 424.5 432.61 436.08 441.26 441.73 442.28 443.81 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 412.19 413.808 412.24 413.808 Yeah , I've got it there too . 412.42 413.74 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 440.857 441.39 441.08 441.26 Yeah . 441.26 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 444.368 446.174 444.91 446.174 To this meeting . 445.8 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 445.392 446.32 445.41 446.28 Okay , thank you . 445.89 446.28 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 445.68 449.952 445.8 449.88 two of these this meeting . So . 448.28 449.88 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 446.652 448.293 446.82 448.14 Shall I go uh next ? 448.14 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 447.893 448.375 448.03 448.31 Yep . 448.31 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 448.816 449.12 448.84 449.09 'Kay . 449.09 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 449.888 450.352 449.91 450.27 Please . 450.27 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 451.472 451.776 451.49 451.74 So . 451.74 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 456.64 457.632 456.66 457.46 Smoking . 457.46 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 460.832 474.56 460.85 474.49 Well uh , my name's , and I looked at uh technical functions design of the remote . Uh I did this by uh looking at examples of other remote controls , of how they uh they look , and information from the web that I found . 461.66 462.64 467.2 470.61 472.49 474.49 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 476.112 524.173 476.13 523.88 Um well what I found was that uh th the actual use of the remote control is to send messages to television set , how you uh d what you described uh just early . And this can be all sorts of medsa messages , turn it on , turn it off , uh change the channel , adjust volume , that kind of thing . Uh play video , teletext , but also t uh play C_D_ if you use it your C_D_ player the remote control will that one . There are some uh examples of remote controls . You can see they are very different . The one has got all the functions that you could possibly need and an lot of uh buttons etcetera . And the other is uh more user friendly , little with big buttons . And uh not n all the the the the stuff you can do with it , but uh the the essential stuff is there . 482.96 486.4 488.67 489.19 490.23 491.44 492.25 493.36 494.11 494.82 503.14 505.17 506.95 512.88 515.43 517.36 521.56 523.88 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 524.173 542.208 524.75 542.17 Um I guess you could better y you should look at a a user centred uh approach , because the customers have to use them and and if they don't think it's usable they won't uh buy it . A lot of buttons they may think from I don't need s as much as that . 532.35 539.1 542.17 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 544.096 591.467 544.12 591.36 Uh , well perf personal preferences is is uh a simple remote , with uh the basic functions that you can need that you could use . But uh keep in mind the new functions of T_V_ what we discussed earlier , split screen and uh is that a function that you should have ? Because all the T_V_s will have them . Or because of only a few and isn't really necessary . And then uh make it I would make so that you can could uh use it on more than one appliance . If you have one that uh uh does with the vi the the video , it could also work with uh with the stereo , because play is play and stop stop and that sort of thing . The shu c you could reuse the buttons so that you don't have to have a lot of buttons for uh anything . And it should be a user friendly , clear buttons , and not too much . 544.67 548.34 552.66 555.91 558.76 560.54 564.84 571.5 576.79 579.84 582.78 587.98 589.54 590.35 591.36 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 592.496 595.2 592.52 595.16 And that is my presentation . 595.16 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 595.904 596.704 595.92 596.65 Okay , thank you . 596.32 596.65 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 596.208 597.424 596.23 597.424 Okay . 597.27 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 597.616 599.184 598.06 599.09 'Kay . 599.09 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 600.608 600.928 600.63 600.89 Check . 600.89 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 611.488 612.976 611.66 612.94 You must still have it open . 612.94 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 614.896 615.808 615.14 615.65 Kijke - TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 622.848 635.472 622.87 635.472 'Kay , so . We're going to j discuss the functional requirements of the remote , that m that means that functions user n want to have on the remote control , or just 623.24 624.32 628.66 634.25 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 636.577 647.12 636.8 647.08 Yeah , and the users , actually . The methods I I prefer is we're going to look which section of the users we are going to focus a l on more . 636.98 637.45 639.02 647.08 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 648.336 659.184 648.36 659.14 Are the younger people going to buy the remote control or the elderly people ? And then tho that section we're going to focus and adjust the remote more to that section than the whole user 651.42 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 660.592 694.064 660.61 694.03 section . Okay . Some data . Younger people , from sixteen to thir forty five um years are more interested in fj features like L_C_D_ screens , speech recognition e etcetera . And we possess about two third of the market from in that range of age . The elderly people , from forty five years to sixty five years are not that much interested in features , and we possess less than two third , that's two fifth , of the market share in that area . 661.55 662.97 664.25 664.85 671.22 674.72 681.71 682.52 688.32 690.83 691.99 694.03 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 696.976 698.368 696.976 698.23 Goed so . 698.23 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 699.299 699.791 699.44 699.65 Hmm . 699.65 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 700.278 700.64 700.45 700.59 'Kay . 700.59 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 701.216 729.552 701.24 729.52 Findings . Fifty percent of the users lose their remote often . So we don't have to make it very small , like uh like a mobile phone or something , but some somewhat bi bigger than small , so you don't lose it that much anymore . Seventy five percent of the users also find it ugly , and fif seventy five of the users zap a lot , so the buttons sh should be that small , or shouldn't be that complex because we have to search for the buttons , which one are you going to use . 702.45 705.13 707.32 709.29 712.41 715.7 719.0 722.0 724.48 728.56 729.52 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 705.253 707.571 705.253 707.35 Yeah . 707.35 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 718.405 719.061 718.72 718.98 Mm . 718.98 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 730.283 731.145 730.59 730.81 Next . 730.81 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 732.176 742.752 732.21 742.72 Important issues about the remote . I think it would be better with a personal reference , but okay . Remote control has to have to have a low power usage , because s w 733.74 736.28 737.26 739.82 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 743.872 753.024 743.89 752.98 seventy five percent of the users only zap one time an hour , so the power usage is also one one time an hour , or so , with a high power usage we would 746.81 749.82 750.59 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 754.496 757.072 754.52 757.0 use a lot of but batteries . 757.0 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 758.112 767.52 758.13 767.49 The volume button and the channel buttons are the two most important buttons on the remote control , so those they those have to h be find very easily . And have to be somewhat like bigger 761.45 765.38 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 768.436 779.472 768.68 779.39 etcetera . It has also be have to find easily when the label is gone . My colleague also announced it that labels should be scratched off or would be s uh 770.49 774.04 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 774.539 774.998 774.73 774.93 Mm . 774.93 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 777.476 777.988 777.58 777.83 Hmm . 777.83 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 781.104 787.696 781.104 787.66 senden okay . So uh if that's k uh if that's the problem , you also have to find it easily 782.81 786.14 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 788.752 789.552 788.77 789.48 on the remote . 789.48 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 792.96 797.76 792.98 797.55 Buttons . Like what all colleagues said , have to have to be minimalized . 794.25 795.55 797.55 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 798.752 813.632 798.77 813.6 or should be covered , or in L_C_D_ screen . L_C_D_ screen is easy because we have the L_C_D_ screen , we have the various options . Put one option and then you have the all the buttons of that options , so the other options would be gone . And you don't see the buttons . So L_C_D_ screens should be easy , 800.62 802.4 804.77 806.14 808.51 810.33 811.48 813.6 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 814.8 832.176 814.82 832.05 but an L_C_D_ screen , the problem with the L_ sc L_C_D_ screen is that elderly people fr from forty five to for sixty five years don't use the L_C_D_ screen a lot . So we have to that keep that in mind that if you're going to implement L_C_D_ screen , you don't have to make it that hard to learn or to use . 816.53 824.62 828.63 832.05 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 832.96 835.232 833.0 835.2 Uh L_C_D_ screen as in uh touch screen ? 835.2 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 835.248 836.128 835.27 835.98 Yeah , touch screen , yeah . 835.47 835.86 835.98 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 835.739 836.149 835.83 836.08 Okay . 836.08 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 837.536 874.16 837.56 874.13 The last but not least , younger people are more critical about the features . Because they use the remote control often more often , and are more technical than the ol older people . And the older people spend more money , and easily on a remote control . So we have to keep in mind to to focus not a lot not that much on the younger pep younger people , but also somewhat on the elderly people . And on my personal preferences , I don't have any mo more time to come with that , but like I said , L_C_D_ screen is easily to use because you have you can implement a lot of buttons in one remote with not that much buttons . 839.53 842.26 844.68 847.37 850.69 852.87 858.59 862.57 864.14 867.16 868.27 874.13 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 850.256 850.56 850.28 850.53 Mm . 850.53 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 852.32 852.852 852.55 852.76 'Kay . 852.76 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 875.328 882.56 875.35 882.43 And it should be easy to use . Especially the volume buttons , the channel buttes buttons and the number buttons to zap through the channels . 876.83 878.12 882.43 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 884.032 885.104 884.05 885.07 And that is it . 885.07 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 886.176 887.92 886.2 887.92 Okay . 887.59 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 886.416 887.344 886.44 887.29 Okay , thank you . 886.98 887.29 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 886.478 887.299 886.71 887.22 Oh right . 887.22 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 890.256 899.584 890.28 899.51 Um , well thank you all , huh . I dunno uh did everyone receive an email with uh the new project requirements ? No ? Well , 891.05 892.02 892.45 897.63 898.49 899.51 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 897.136 897.616 897.16 897.58 No . 897.58 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 898.241 900.618 898.62 900.44 Res I did not . Perhaps the rest ? 899.67 900.44 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 899.303 900.042 899.53 899.98 No . 899.98 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 901.344 905.504 901.37 905.45 then I think it's a good thing that I made a separate slide of them so you can - TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 902.24 902.933 902.74 902.933 Ja , 902.81 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 906.56 910.0 906.58 909.92 all read them . Oh , well not in this presentation . Hmm . 907.6 907.84 909.49 909.92 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 911.888 968.08 911.91 968.05 Should be in there . Well , I can tell you them uh from my laptop . Um teletext does has become outdated since the popularity of the internet . So that's uh the first thing we I think we should pay less attention to uh teletext . Uh the remote control should only be used for the television , otherwise the project becomes more complex , which endangers the time to market , and of course would make it more costly , I think . Um our current customers are within the age group of forty plus , and new product should reach a new market with customers that are younger than forty , and you talked about that before . And uh a last point , but also very important , our corporate image should stay recognisable in our products , which means that our uh corporate colour and slogan must be implemented in the new design . So we have to keep that in mind . Um well uh according to our agenda it's then time to take a decision on the remote control functions . 912.76 913.15 915.54 922.33 927.61 930.38 932.47 934.16 936.26 937.23 940.7 944.23 947.03 948.5 949.47 952.76 957.79 960.46 968.05 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 919.648 919.92 919.75 919.87 Oh . 919.87 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 970.032 970.304 970.06 970.26 Mm . 970.26 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 970.416 974.304 970.44 974.26 So , who has any idea about what should be on it , and what shouldn't ? 970.82 973.61 974.26 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 974.384 981.232 974.4 981.18 Well you said it should only uh work with one appliance ? Or with one uh d che only the T_V_ ? 979.28 981.18 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 976.081 977.136 976.25 977.1 Be television . 977.1 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 981.993 983.882 982.15 983.49 Yeah . Only be used for television . 982.4 983.49 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 982.022 982.408 982.15 982.37 Yeah . 982.37 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 982.816 984.976 982.84 984.976 And the video also , or not uh ? 984.08 984.68 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 984.928 986.327 984.99 986.13 Only the television . 986.13 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 984.938 986.869 985.06 986.83 Well it says only for television here , huh . 986.68 986.83 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 986.328 988.879 986.46 988.879 Oh . Alright . Okay . 986.71 987.88 988.46 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 987.68 990.687 987.68 990.687 Makes it a lot easier , huh ? 989.3 990.44 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 989.808 990.56 989.808 990.49 Yeah . 990.49 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 990.298 991.036 990.51 990.64 Mm . 990.64 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 991.2 992.512 991.22 992.39 So yeah , then you can yeah . 991.54 992.39 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 993.68 996.512 993.76 996.48 Requirements , no ? Functions . 995.31 995.93 996.48 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 996.784 997.486 996.82 997.4 Mm-hmm . 997.4 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 996.944 1000.362 996.96 1000.362 Then it should have uh on , off , and uh 998.4 999.52 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 997.058 997.408 997.16 997.408 Yeah for - TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 999.04 1013.031 999.06 1013.031 Yeah , the basics then by a volume , channel , one till two zero numbers on it , oh teletext doesn't have to be ? Um other functions . Yeah I had 999.53 1001.72 1003.1 1006.76 1009.11 1011.86 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 999.424 1000.464 999.44 1000.41 Standby options , yeah ? 1000.26 1000.41 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1004.606 1005.591 1004.9 1005.3 Uh yeah . 1005.3 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1005.861 1007.913 1006.09 1007.913 Yeah . And per perhaps uh 1006.53 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1008.544 1019.744 1008.56 1019.744 No . Well uh uh yes yes s sh A button where you can uh change from one number to two numbers . Can you Don't know if that's got a name , but 1009.87 1016.8 1019.26 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1015.39 1017.2 1015.6 1017.15 Two s two two digits , oh okay . 1016.78 1017.15 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1016.0 1016.88 1016.02 1016.85 Yeah , yeah . 1016.56 1016.85 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1018.066 1019.976 1018.31 1019.91 Yeah I understand what you mean . Yeah . 1019.72 1019.91 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1019.008 1034.332 1019.03 1033.97 I think it's I think it's easy to implement a button with a s s what which especially do that , because some T_V_s , if you press the t one and then the two , it be between five secs it make twelve , and that's that's not relaxed 1023.86 1025.68 1028.83 1030.95 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1028.416 1030.173 1028.44 1029.99 It makes it twelve , yeah . 1029.24 1029.99 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1030.72 1031.726 1030.74 1031.57 Yeah . S 1031.22 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1030.83 1032.32 1031.16 1032.25 Indeed . Okay . 1031.97 1032.25 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1034.065 1057.312 1034.34 1057.28 Well , not really And and there are some models that don't uh accommodate that function . So d uh wh the Philip's television makes it possible in that indeed to uh press one and then two to make uh the uh tj to reach channel twelve . But uh all the television makes uh use of those button where you first press that button and then press two digits to uh to get 1034.88 1040.88 1048.57 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1034.763 1035.344 1034.96 1035.31 to user . 1035.31 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1040.615 1041.243 1040.615 1041.18 Yeah . 1041.18 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1045.346 1047.887 1045.52 1047.72 So that it easy and fast . 1047.72 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1045.932 1046.463 1046.09 1046.38 Yeah . 1046.38 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1048.709 1049.283 1048.81 1048.97 Yeah . 1048.97 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1051.918 1052.328 1052.07 1052.27 Yeah . 1052.27 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1056.576 1058.224 1056.6 1058.19 Yeah , so you should have that one on . 1056.79 1058.19 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1058.336 1059.941 1058.41 1059.62 Uh yeah , think so . 1059.06 1059.62 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1059.152 1062.688 1059.17 1062.65 Our main targets' age are ? were ? Forty five plus , or ? 1060.95 1061.59 1062.38 1062.65 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1061.336 1063.182 1061.72 1062.85 Mute misschien also . 1062.85 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1063.561 1063.923 1063.75 1063.86 Mm . 1063.86 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1063.808 1071.126 1063.83 1071.03 Uh well new product should reach a market with customers that are younger than forty , and now we have current customers uh of forty plus . 1067.68 1071.03 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1067.833 1072.0 1067.97 1071.96 Forties , okay because because younger people as 1068.43 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1073.856 1081.808 1073.92 1081.77 Uh younger people have now , sixteen till to twenty five age , are f eighty one percent interested in L_C_D_ screen . 1076.0 1079.0 1081.77 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1083.248 1091.024 1083.27 1091.024 From twenty six to thirty five have sixty six percent , and thirty six to forty five , fifty five percent , so I think to um 1085.58 1086.96 1087.88 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1092.256 1106.416 1092.36 1106.37 Because on most recog remote controls um the print plate will be broken how much , two years . You have to press h very hard to go to the next channel . With the L_C_D_ screen it's easier because you only have to wipe the screen to uh for fingerprint , and then you can use it again . 1097.01 1097.75 1100.08 1105.26 1106.37 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1098.832 1099.264 1098.86 1099.22 Mm-hmm . 1099.22 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1099.594 1100.227 1099.68 1100.18 Mm-hmm . 1100.18 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1103.299 1115.648 1103.38 1115.58 Yeah , we we could yeah . But I think that uh that collides with our mission to make it very cheap . Because L_C_D_ screens are very expensive . A touch screen uh probably uh even more . 1103.48 1105.53 1110.68 1113.04 1115.58 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1110.624 1111.504 1110.9 1111.47 Yeah , okay . 1111.19 1111.47 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1112.768 1113.792 1112.8 1113.792 Yeah but a you don't know - TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1113.395 1113.95 1113.5 1113.67 An - TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1117.264 1121.248 1117.28 1121.248 So , true , true . But uh 1118.35 1119.14 1120.39 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1117.52 1117.712 1117.54 1117.67 True . 1117.67 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1122.672 1129.232 1123.56 1129.14 Well um is it possible to make an L_C_D_ screen uh , how was the information ? 1128.15 1129.14 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1129.584 1134.496 1129.61 1134.37 Yeah , it only says that this perce percentage like L_C_D_ screen . 1129.93 1134.37 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1135.488 1143.552 1135.6 1143.52 Because , yeah and it says that younger age between sixteen and forty five highly interesting features more critical . And if the only f 1136.41 1142.94 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1142.768 1146.048 1142.94 1146.0 So perhaps we should we should focus on that L_C_D_ screen . 1146.0 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1145.968 1148.976 1145.99 1148.94 Yeah , because our target is sixteen to forty five . 1146.38 1148.94 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1148.972 1150.589 1149.25 1150.589 But , do you 1149.77 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1149.28 1151.568 1149.31 1151.39 Yeah but uh will we not uh - TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1153.584 1156.922 1153.61 1156.922 exceed our uh our uh production uh - TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1155.12 1158.352 1155.14 1158.32 Yeah you don't know how much it costs . Yeah , you don't know how much it costs , the L_C_D_ screen . 1156.45 1156.68 1157.64 1158.32 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1158.272 1161.152 1158.3 1161.12 Is it possible to find out , anyway ? You know ? 1159.61 1160.83 1161.12 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1159.672 1163.84 1159.76 1163.77 No , I don't have any costs here , I only have percentages . 1160.26 1161.89 1163.77 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1164.864 1175.752 1164.88 1175.68 But if you would do an L_C_D_ screen do we have don don't you have any buttons ? Or because if it only directs at the T_V_ , then you only have uh I don't know what you want to do with the L_C_D_ screen . 1168.37 1170.98 1175.68 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1168.8 1169.2 1168.82 1169.17 Yeah . 1169.17 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1173.936 1193.072 1173.97 1192.76 No , an L_C_D_ screen's just like uh like a drawn here . Um just uh displays several buttons , for example um if you wanted the minimal uh use b uh buttons , such as channel and volume , you just h uh displays four buttons on the screen and it's possible to p uh press them down , just like a touch screen . 1174.05 1176.68 1180.34 1185.0 1186.5 1191.76 1192.76 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1179.968 1180.352 1179.99 1180.3 Yeah ? 1180.3 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1189.051 1190.323 1189.07 1190.323 Oh right , so you can 1189.61 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1191.521 1196.438 1191.65 1196.24 Oh , yeah alright . So you can adjust which buttons you want on that s screen . 1192.49 1192.94 1196.24 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1195.456 1203.264 1195.48 1203.22 Yeah , if you want to adjust , like for example , adjust the audio settings , you press audio on the touchscreen and you get the buttons for audio settings , so the other buttons are gone . 1195.83 1196.71 1197.74 1199.13 1202.29 1203.22 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1195.64 1198.062 1195.89 1197.51 Yeah , we can make it possible to do that , yeah . 1196.02 1197.25 1197.51 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1200.48 1201.26 1200.67 1201.21 Yeah yeah . 1201.21 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1201.486 1202.799 1201.64 1202.68 Yeah alright , oh right . 1202.12 1202.68 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1203.872 1204.112 1203.89 1204.08 Yeah . 1204.08 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1204.72 1205.808 1204.74 1205.77 Yeah , yeah . 1205.6 1205.77 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1205.936 1207.52 1205.96 1207.48 So we're going for an L_C_D_ screen ? 1207.48 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1208.048 1209.212 1208.07 1209.14 Yeah . Would be yeah . 1208.67 1209.14 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1208.544 1210.544 1208.56 1210.51 I think it's the most easier thing , yeah . 1210.26 1210.51 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1209.392 1210.336 1209.42 1210.336 That's my uh - TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1210.672 1214.105 1210.73 1213.98 And hoping that when we produce a lot it won't be too expensive . 1213.98 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1213.584 1214.16 1213.73 1214.02 No . 1214.02 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1214.08 1214.352 1214.1 1214.31 Yeah . 1214.31 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1214.288 1220.706 1214.31 1220.6 Well we had twelve fifty , I guess , for uh production ? Yeah . I dunno how expensive an L_C_D_ screen is . 1215.54 1216.02 1217.15 1217.59 1220.6 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1215.968 1216.192 1215.99 1216.16 Yeah . 1216.16 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1216.48 1217.637 1216.5 1217.42 Twelve fifty . 1217.42 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1218.336 1220.976 1218.336 1220.62 Um . 1220.62 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1222.416 1224.0 1222.44 1224.0 Any guesses ? 1223.93 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1225.616 1230.113 1225.64 1230.113 Well I suppose wi if the mar if our um - TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1231.232 1242.043 1231.25 1242.043 if the i if the young people are interested in L_C_D_ screens , we should make 'em . And if that is our d uh market share to uh and our goal to uh deliver those uh remote controls 1234.22 1235.6 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1234.336 1235.038 1234.36 1234.8 Highly . 1234.8 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1235.337 1236.035 1235.49 1235.78 Mm-hmm . 1235.78 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1235.48 1236.542 1235.68 1236.542 Yeah . But 1236.12 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1240.739 1248.988 1241.34 1248.9 But he also said that we should not only focus on the younger people , but also on the older , and will they use it if it only has an L_C_D_ screen ? 1244.55 1245.71 1248.9 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1245.229 1246.337 1245.54 1246.337 Yeah , but 1245.89 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1247.744 1262.48 1247.76 1262.45 Um , s forty six to forty five , thirty three percent , and sixty fifty six to sixty five twelve percent . But our our our what's it , project requirements are the new products should be reached for new markets , to customers that are younger than forty . 1248.42 1249.84 1250.84 1254.22 1257.11 1260.78 1262.45 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1253.95 1256.617 1254.24 1256.617 Oh , so still a little bit people 1254.45 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1259.855 1260.541 1260.14 1260.48 Yeah . 1260.48 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1261.643 1265.605 1261.7 1265.605 Yeah that's right . But you don't want to alienate the other uh 1262.78 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1264.784 1267.216 1264.82 1267.216 No , that not now , but , so 1265.25 1266.26 1266.96 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1267.008 1269.756 1267.03 1269.44 But if they also buy it then it's alright . 1269.44 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1270.549 1271.177 1270.63 1271.09 I guess . 1271.09 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1270.656 1275.84 1270.69 1275.8 Yeah , but market share fro for for forty years and younger is higher than that of sixty five and younger . 1270.88 1275.8 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1272.432 1272.688 1272.45 1272.65 Yeah . 1272.65 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1275.183 1275.69 1275.27 1275.62 Yeah . 1275.62 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1276.294 1277.155 1276.56 1276.82 Alright . 1276.82 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1277.984 1279.823 1278.0 1279.62 Okay , so L_C_D_ it is ? 1278.32 1279.62 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1278.514 1280.048 1278.57 1279.91 An Yes . 1279.91 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1280.4 1285.989 1280.43 1285.94 Mm . It's treasure . I hope we uh h and let's hope to reach those uh those sales . 1281.46 1282.15 1285.94 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1280.64 1281.184 1280.66 1281.14 Okay . 1281.14 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1281.578 1283.08 1281.6 1282.73 And what else ? 1282.73 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1283.024 1291.056 1283.04 1291.02 Yeah , i i if it Yeah , if it costs gets too much , too expensive , then yeah , we should be sticking to rubber buttons . 1283.25 1284.89 1286.63 1287.33 1288.3 1291.02 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1291.408 1291.712 1291.43 1291.68 Yeah . 1291.68 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1292.0 1299.657 1292.11 1299.57 Yeah , can you um uh s I think that that they will send you some information about uh the cost of L_C_D_ uh screens . 1292.3 1299.57 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1298.726 1301.068 1298.83 1300.9 N nothing , no costs at all . 1299.64 1300.9 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1298.883 1300.114 1299.07 1300.114 Yeah . 1299.78 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1300.752 1309.68 1300.77 1309.65 Uh so if you uh Yeah , so if you uh you receive an email about that , uh can you post it in the or shouldn't we post that in uh our projects mail uh folder . 1302.24 1304.71 1309.65 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1300.594 1302.933 1300.84 1302.933 But perhaps later , so uh 1301.98 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1306.177 1307.613 1306.63 1307.613 Yeah , in 1306.91 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1309.6 1313.808 1309.66 1313.77 I think that should yeah I think we all get the costs of everything . 1313.77 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1309.647 1310.274 1309.82 1310.09 Yeah . 1310.09 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1314.896 1316.008 1314.94 1316.008 I don't - TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1315.072 1317.762 1315.09 1317.69 Because you are the the Marketing uh Expert . 1317.69 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1317.152 1319.216 1317.17 1319.02 Yeah , okay , I'll I'll post it . 1317.59 1318.04 1319.02 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1318.528 1320.064 1318.55 1320.064 I uh - TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1319.456 1325.685 1319.48 1325.25 Well perhaps we should have a backup plan that we would use buttons if it's uh too expensive . 1325.25 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1321.982 1323.168 1322.35 1323.13 Yeah sure , sure . 1322.82 1323.13 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1323.52 1323.936 1323.54 1323.81 Yeah . 1323.81 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1324.112 1327.599 1324.13 1327.39 Yeah , okay . But for now it's L_C_D_ . Okay . 1324.62 1324.98 1326.97 1327.39 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1325.472 1329.792 1325.49 1329.75 Okay , L_C_D_ , yeah . Then you have the seventy five percent of users find it r ugly . 1326.15 1326.51 1327.14 1329.75 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1326.262 1326.972 1326.36 1326.91 Yeah . 1326.91 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1331.04 1334.057 1331.06 1334.057 The L_C_D_ ? Oh that's a bit of a problem . 1332.19 1333.79 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1331.712 1336.304 1331.73 1336.27 Yeah , and eighty percent of the users would spend more money with a when a remote would look fancy . 1332.21 1336.27 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1336.544 1338.288 1336.57 1338.25 Oh , that's a bit of a problem . 1336.78 1338.25 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1336.816 1337.104 1336.84 1337.05 Mm . 1337.05 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1339.104 1342.686 1339.13 1342.686 Tha i l i it'll look fancy with L_C_D_ screen . Yeah . 1342.2 1342.3 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1340.576 1342.482 1340.61 1342.36 It's looks fancy one yeah , of L_C_D_ screen . 1341.59 1342.36 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1341.493 1346.474 1341.73 1345.96 Yeah , but they don't they don't like it . They think it's ugly . When it has an L_C_D_ screen . 1341.95 1343.64 1344.55 1345.96 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1342.504 1343.204 1342.72 1343.0 Yeah . 1343.0 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1345.2 1349.232 1345.22 1349.16 Yeah , just a the plain remotes , not not specific L_C_D_ remotes . 1345.54 1347.44 1349.16 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1349.216 1350.96 1349.24 1350.93 Oh , alright , I thought that you said that . 1349.3 1349.9 1350.93 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1351.327 1351.858 1351.51 1351.858 So - TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1351.712 1357.408 1351.73 1357.408 Yeah , and maybe you can make something fancy out of an L_C_D_ remote , because it's new , as far as I know . 1351.86 1354.6 1355.98 1357.04 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1354.186 1354.669 1354.32 1354.62 Yeah . 1354.62 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1355.536 1356.048 1355.57 1356.01 Mm-hmm . 1356.01 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1357.04 1358.098 1357.07 1358.02 Yeah , of course . 1357.67 1358.02 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1356.822 1357.792 1357.47 1357.74 Mm yeah . 1357.74 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1359.104 1371.728 1359.12 1371.62 And then you have the other thing , that seventy five percent zap a lot , but that's not a f question with the L_C_D_ screen . Only thing you have to do is wipe the screen off once each time , to get all the fingerprints off it . 1360.34 1362.41 1366.35 1370.01 1371.62 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1358.915 1360.242 1359.21 1360.16 And then not yeah . 1360.16 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1363.232 1363.76 1363.44 1363.73 Um . 1363.73 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1369.776 1370.08 1369.8 1370.04 Yeah . 1370.04 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1372.768 1373.168 1372.79 1373.13 Yeah . 1373.13 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1374.08 1375.488 1374.12 1375.43 Mm . Okay ? 1375.16 1375.43 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1376.096 1378.064 1376.12 1377.88 Okay , what else does our remote need ? 1376.33 1377.88 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1377.888 1378.88 1378.08 1378.88 Um - TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1377.88 1379.316 1378.22 1379.03 A mute button . 1379.03 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1380.016 1380.72 1380.08 1380.63 Mute button . 1380.63 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1381.904 1389.552 1381.93 1389.51 Mm-hmm . The most important things on a f on an on an uh remote control are channel selection , volume con selection , 1383.4 1388.59 1389.51 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1382.896 1385.052 1382.92 1385.052 I think . And 1383.8 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1390.128 1390.448 1390.15 1390.41 Yeah . 1390.41 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1390.816 1392.496 1390.84 1392.46 and power s power usage . 1392.46 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1392.64 1392.976 1392.67 1392.93 Yeah . 1392.93 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1393.712 1397.84 1393.73 1397.84 And a teletext , but that is not of the question . Other things are 1394.58 1396.94 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1395.023 1395.679 1395.25 1395.679 But - TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1396.705 1402.0 1397.28 1401.97 But shouldn't you put a button of for teletext on the for the people who want to use it ? 1401.97 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1399.008 1399.232 1399.03 1399.2 Sorry ? 1399.2 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1402.608 1403.584 1402.63 1403.54 Yeah , it could be . 1402.77 1403.54 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1403.024 1406.368 1403.04 1406.368 Remembering we have got a big remote that you have to fill . 1406.23 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1404.864 1406.512 1404.89 1406.512 Yeah . 1406.15 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1405.92 1412.913 1405.94 1412.73 Mm-hmm . Yeah , and we could make an a a separate menu on the L_C_D_ uh screen for teletext . 1406.71 1406.91 1412.73 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1409.76 1411.088 1409.79 1410.87 Yeah , teletext . 1410.13 1410.87 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1410.64 1411.269 1410.66 1411.07 Yeah . 1411.07 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1411.315 1411.931 1411.42 1411.72 Yeah . 1411.72 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1412.219 1414.811 1412.92 1414.811 And there's also a - TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1412.941 1418.8 1413.11 1418.8 And other other less important things are screen settings , audio settings , and channel settings , but 1416.05 1416.97 1418.34 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1417.936 1421.001 1417.96 1420.79 Yeah , they are less important , but I think they should be there , or not ? 1418.26 1418.92 1420.12 1420.79 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1419.44 1423.632 1419.46 1423.6 Less important . Yeah , should be there , but not press Yeah , sub-menu , yeah . 1420.09 1420.22 1420.68 1423.0 1423.44 1423.6 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1420.928 1430.352 1420.96 1430.3 A sh but in a sub sub-menu or something like that . Uh I think it's also important to uh make it possible to um how do you call it in English , uh , 1423.68 1430.03 1430.3 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1431.696 1443.104 1431.72 1443.02 to not use batteries , and use ac uh bat uh batteries to uh to be yeah yeah sure . Indeed . So uh you can mount uh the the the uh 1432.77 1438.99 1439.64 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1436.565 1437.121 1436.59 1436.94 Mm-hmm . 1436.94 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1436.537 1439.632 1436.75 1439.58 Like with a with a mouse , you have not , yeah . 1438.37 1439.36 1439.58 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1442.879 1444.644 1443.29 1444.644 Yeah , in a breath it's 1443.44 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1444.16 1446.064 1444.18 1446.02 uh the remote control to um - TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1445.472 1446.09 1445.5 1445.98 Mm-hmm . 1445.98 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1446.24 1447.408 1446.26 1447.06 Charted . 1447.06 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1446.784 1449.505 1446.81 1449.505 We should think of the twelve fifty we have but - TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1447.012 1448.608 1447.39 1448.608 to refill the - TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1448.864 1452.96 1449.5 1452.38 Yeah , but we don't we don't have any costs now , so Yeah . 1449.91 1451.59 1452.38 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1450.162 1452.789 1450.35 1452.789 I don't know how much that's going to uh - TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1451.153 1458.538 1451.24 1458.4 Yeah . Okay , because i uh when you get an L_C_D_ screen , you run it on batteries , the batteries will be uh empty very soon , very fast . 1451.93 1452.4 1454.2 1455.58 1457.91 1458.4 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1455.232 1455.552 1455.25 1455.51 Yeah . 1455.51 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1456.608 1459.824 1456.63 1459.76 Yeah e e power supply is one of the most important things . 1459.76 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1458.444 1464.672 1458.56 1464.64 You should Perhaps you should be able to to switch the control off . If you have an L_C_D_ screen that's burns all the time I dunno . 1462.27 1464.64 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1460.352 1460.688 1460.42 1460.65 Yeah . 1460.65 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1464.96 1466.128 1464.98 1466.09 Yeah , yeah . Yeah . 1465.21 1465.85 1466.09 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1466.256 1474.222 1466.28 1474.12 You shouldn't on and off because that's ver extra , that you have t first you have to turn the remote on , and then you can uh I don't know . 1469.6 1471.53 1474.12 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1472.928 1473.427 1472.96 1473.37 Mm-hmm . 1473.37 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1473.056 1473.552 1473.08 1473.552 Uh - TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1473.472 1485.888 1473.49 1485.84 Yeah , I think it's it's not that easy because I don't think people will like it who who uh that you have to turn it on first and then use it , so I think it's better when th the T_V_ shuts down , the remote shuts down . 1473.63 1482.08 1484.93 1485.84 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1480.738 1483.374 1480.87 1483.3 Nee that's that's uh yeah . 1483.3 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1486.222 1488.11 1486.4 1488.11 But then you can't - TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1486.512 1489.584 1486.54 1489.584 And go to standby mode when you don't use it , so that 1488.84 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1488.464 1488.736 1488.48 1488.7 Yeah . 1488.7 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1488.558 1489.017 1488.67 1488.97 Yeah . 1488.97 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1489.712 1492.599 1489.73 1492.38 Yeah yeah au automac matically , that it yeah . 1491.56 1492.38 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1491.776 1494.688 1491.8 1494.64 Yeah , automatically . After two minutes or three minutes , something like that . 1491.97 1492.7 1494.08 1494.64 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1492.222 1495.318 1492.24 1494.62 Yeah . After two minutes , yeah two three minutes , yeah . 1493.02 1493.66 1494.43 1494.62 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1494.8 1495.104 1494.83 1495.07 Yeah . 1495.07 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1495.376 1499.568 1495.4 1499.53 Yeah . And maybe a low battery indicator ? On the screen . 1496.1 1499.02 1499.53 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1498.688 1500.048 1498.72 1500.01 Yeah . Sure . 1499.7 1500.01 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1500.354 1512.451 1500.44 1512.37 Yeah . And then b that uh before an hour when its get again gets empty . Then you have plenty of time to recharge it , of put it in a recharger . Charger . 1501.45 1507.7 1509.63 1511.52 1512.37 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1506.832 1507.152 1506.85 1507.12 Yeah . 1507.12 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1509.982 1510.271 1510.09 1510.18 Mm . 1510.18 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1513.024 1515.499 1513.04 1515.15 So we are going for the for the recharger . 1515.15 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1515.408 1515.696 1515.43 1515.66 Yeah . 1515.66 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1515.616 1518.608 1515.75 1518.16 Yeah , if it's . 1516.24 1518.16 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1515.772 1516.336 1515.91 1516.29 Okay . 1516.29 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1519.408 1520.496 1519.44 1520.45 Uh . 1520.45 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1521.087 1523.139 1521.38 1523.139 If it's sensible . 1522.74 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1522.768 1529.85 1522.79 1529.85 Yeah , because when you're watching T_V_ , you're zapping and you have to put it in a recharger , and I don't think it 1523.18 1525.82 1528.57 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1525.498 1526.195 1525.74 1526.04 Yeah . 1526.04 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1528.528 1530.642 1528.55 1530.642 Yeah , b when the batteries are low 1528.99 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1528.992 1534.227 1529.04 1534.227 No , when you when you're done with s uh w uh watching your television , you have to put it 1529.68 1533.26 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1531.584 1537.284 1531.6 1537.25 Yeah , okay , but then we have to be sure that the the the the batteries go hours , six hours , five , six hours , then . 1531.87 1532.03 1535.73 1536.31 1536.58 1537.13 1537.25 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1536.384 1537.73 1536.4 1537.55 Yeah sure , of course . 1537.05 1537.55 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1536.407 1541.66 1536.87 1541.46 But you'll also forget to put it in , because you throw it on the couch and you don't remember . 1539.05 1541.46 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1538.624 1539.792 1538.64 1539.76 Yeah , then you have a problem . 1538.94 1539.76 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1538.954 1539.815 1539.09 1539.815 Yeah , but 1539.28 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1540.864 1545.792 1540.88 1545.792 But you also forget to buy batteries , and then you can you can't use it , so I 1543.32 1544.56 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1542.544 1543.768 1542.56 1543.66 Yeah . That's right . 1543.24 1543.66 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1544.734 1545.12 1544.75 1545.01 Yeah . 1545.01 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1544.88 1548.72 1545.72 1548.69 Or we have to be sure that the batteries last couple of days when they're recharged . 1548.69 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1548.64 1548.912 1548.66 1548.86 Yeah . 1548.86 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1550.22 1550.606 1550.34 1550.52 So . 1550.52 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1550.464 1556.053 1550.48 1556.053 Well I think the batteries should should w should work a lot longer than a couple of days , or not ? 'Cause 1555.23 1555.79 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1554.992 1556.832 1555.01 1556.75 Yeah because you have b but you have L_C_D_ screen . 1556.75 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1557.088 1558.823 1557.11 1558.823 Yeah , that's right , but 1557.31 1558.08 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1557.84 1559.113 1557.86 1558.75 High power usage . 1558.75 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1558.789 1560.636 1558.97 1560.52 High power user cell , i 1560.08 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1561.472 1579.552 1561.49 1579.52 uh it should be uh a standard move to to put your remote control in the charger when you're done watching television , that's also a a a great advantage because you can't lose it anymore . Because you are obliged to uh put it in the charger and not to uh leave it in a couch uh between some cushions . 1568.02 1572.82 1579.52 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1566.933 1567.585 1567.05 1567.49 Yes . 1567.49 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1573.249 1573.611 1573.33 1573.45 True . 1573.45 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1575.354 1576.192 1575.65 1576.0 Yeah . Yeah . 1575.83 1576.0 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1576.604 1577.255 1576.91 1577.06 True . 1577.06 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1579.6 1579.936 1579.62 1579.89 Yeah . 1579.89 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1582.017 1583.152 1582.17 1583.152 Right . 1583.08 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1582.24 1583.744 1582.24 1583.71 Okay . 1583.71 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1582.992 1584.592 1583.01 1584.47 Yeah , you made a point there . 1583.64 1584.47 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1584.624 1595.28 1584.624 1595.25 But then you also have to s have somewhere where you can put a remo recharger near your couch because otherwise you have to walk a long way when you twoft want to turn on the T_V_ . 1595.25 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1585.588 1586.494 1585.74 1586.34 Yeah , also . 1586.05 1586.34 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1591.888 1593.664 1591.98 1593.63 Yeah , otherwise all your yeah . 1592.3 1593.63 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1595.2 1600.208 1595.22 1600.17 Just a small device . Plug it in , that's it . Yeah , like a like telephone charger or something . 1596.94 1597.42 1597.99 1598.31 1600.17 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1596.64 1600.051 1596.66 1599.94 Yeah . I think everything has it for and I guess . 1596.96 1599.94 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1596.309 1598.784 1596.68 1598.45 Yeah it hasn't It doesn't have to be big . 1598.45 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1600.128 1606.656 1600.15 1606.56 Yeah just just a cable , or a even a a a a a charger where you can mount it on . Something like that , just u 1601.37 1605.27 1606.17 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1601.324 1602.1 1601.44 1601.92 Yeah . 1601.92 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1604.784 1605.232 1604.82 1605.16 Yeah . 1605.16 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1607.328 1607.762 1607.64 1607.73 Yeah . 1607.73 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1608.176 1608.656 1608.2 1608.51 Okay . 1608.51 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1608.88 1609.264 1608.92 1609.21 Alright . 1609.21 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1609.536 1610.815 1609.56 1610.75 Okay , well I've 1609.96 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1609.814 1618.592 1610.01 1618.52 It has to be easy to use also , or things . Uh market share , speaker re speech recognition . 1612.43 1615.03 1616.75 1618.52 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1612.592 1613.801 1612.61 1613.71 Yeah , you have some more 1612.73 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1614.621 1615.729 1614.79 1615.18 points . 1615.18 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1619.581 1620.484 1619.82 1620.24 I think . 1620.24 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1619.904 1633.756 1619.92 1633.756 Functional designs uh for the elderly uh you could make it possible to enlarge the screen , so make it possible to not uh display uh a button at ten points uh , or 1625.71 1632.98 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1625.783 1627.014 1626.02 1626.89 Also . 1626.89 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1632.608 1638.56 1632.7 1638.53 Well I think that this should be standard . Large button large buttons . Yeah ? Okay . 1635.07 1637.31 1638.15 1638.53 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1635.12 1637.84 1635.14 1637.74 Yeah but it is uh one of the functions you have to uh specify . 1637.74 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1641.312 1651.248 1641.33 1650.99 Because we can look at uh uh perhaps uh forty buttons at a screen , but the elderly only look at two buttons . Okay . 1644.77 1650.23 1650.99 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1650.56 1652.413 1650.56 1652.413 . 1652.413 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1651.216 1653.44 1651.28 1653.35 And you said something about speech recognition ? 1653.35 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1653.312 1655.168 1653.312 1655.13 Yeah , it says also Yeah . 1653.81 1655.13 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1653.591 1657.28 1653.94 1657.09 Speech recognition ? Hello . Twelve Euro twelve Euro fifty . 1654.9 1655.43 1657.09 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1655.616 1658.475 1655.616 1658.475 Yeah , twelve fifty , twelve fifty . 1656.38 1657.11 1658.39 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1656.014 1666.24 1656.33 1665.8 Twelve . That's an also ninety one percent sixteen to twenty five , twenty six to thirty five years , seventy six percent , and thirty six to forty five , thirty five percent . 1657.48 1661.46 1662.69 1663.64 1664.83 1665.8 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1665.888 1666.912 1665.91 1666.88 So it's pretty big . 1666.88 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1666.224 1668.649 1666.24 1668.54 Well , spread it by a big market . 1667.16 1668.54 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1667.28 1669.424 1667.31 1669.424 But then I I I - TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1669.424 1671.556 1669.48 1671.556 Even bigger than for L_C_D_ . 1670.94 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1670.864 1673.6 1670.88 1673.6 Yeah . W I know let's do a speech . 1671.74 1673.35 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1671.31 1671.84 1671.33 1671.8 Yeah . 1671.8 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1674.816 1679.408 1674.84 1679.408 Well let's leave out all the remote controls and just put a microphone on top of the television to - TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1677.152 1679.376 1677.152 1679.26 Yeah . Yeah . 1677.76 1679.26 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1678.016 1681.203 1678.04 1681.06 Yeah . Ninety . Twenty five . 1679.35 1680.57 1681.06 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1681.072 1682.72 1681.09 1682.72 You can clap or something . 1682.25 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1681.296 1682.445 1681.37 1682.11 Yeah Yeah . 1682.11 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1682.507 1683.861 1682.507 1683.53 channel . 1683.53 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1683.312 1683.984 1683.33 1683.95 Turn volume up . 1683.95 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1684.496 1684.848 1684.52 1684.81 Yeah . 1684.81 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1685.36 1688.096 1685.4 1688.096 Hey , that that's an idea . 1685.74 1687.77 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1687.665 1690.168 1688.14 1689.77 Now you shouldn't say the wrong thing , I dunno . 1689.38 1689.77 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1690.24 1691.392 1690.26 1691.392 Yeah . 1690.62 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1690.352 1693.728 1690.37 1693.728 Okay , well that should it has to be remote control , not 1691.56 1693.49 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1693.648 1695.335 1693.67 1695.27 Yeah , twelve . 1694.58 1695.27 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1694.526 1694.816 1694.56 1694.76 Yeah . 1694.76 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1694.787 1699.872 1695.46 1699.872 But they want to talk into the remo remote control , or something , or ? 1697.88 1698.48 1699.78 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1697.44 1703.392 1697.46 1703.36 Yeah . Is this only would you would you pay more for speech recognition in a remote control . It's the only thing it says . 1698.63 1702.59 1703.36 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1697.471 1699.887 1697.61 1699.887 Sure why not why not - TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1702.624 1703.616 1702.65 1703.57 Yeah , mm . 1703.43 1703.57 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1704.112 1707.008 1704.13 1706.97 Oh , but do we want to implement that , or ? 1704.93 1706.77 1706.97 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1707.152 1711.115 1707.152 1710.99 I think an L_C_D_ screen should be suf sufficient . 1710.99 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1711.328 1711.856 1711.35 1711.82 Yeah . 1711.82 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1712.544 1714.32 1712.56 1714.32 But when you look at the percentages - TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1714.368 1716.348 1714.39 1716.348 Yeah , it says a lot , but 1714.75 1715.52 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1716.816 1718.667 1716.84 1718.667 Perhaps the options should be uh - TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1716.942 1719.897 1717.31 1719.35 Speech recognition scores even higher , huh ? 1718.79 1719.35 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1720.336 1720.848 1720.36 1720.8 Why not ? 1720.8 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1721.814 1729.072 1721.95 1729.03 Yeah , well , maybe because of the cost , but uh nobody knows uh how much uh it will cost uh . 1722.21 1723.12 1724.29 1729.03 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1721.936 1722.926 1721.96 1722.59 Why not ? 1722.59 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1725.2 1725.504 1725.22 1725.47 Yeah . 1725.47 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1726.229 1728.732 1726.53 1728.45 Let's hope uh to have some uh d - TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1727.019 1727.84 1727.17 1727.84 I know - TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1727.105 1745.344 1727.19 1745.31 No I think I think it's better to have L_ L_C_D_ screen , because in the area of tw thirty six to forty five , we have about thirty percent of the market share in in our hands , and fifty five of those people want L_C_D_ screen and thirty five want speech recognition . So I think it's better to keep it with L_C_D_ screen . 1729.8 1733.61 1737.17 1742.92 1745.31 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1746.272 1746.544 1746.3 1746.5 Mm . 1746.5 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1746.139 1748.72 1746.61 1748.69 But would it be useful to imple implement both ? 1748.69 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1749.76 1752.145 1749.78 1752.145 Yeah , if the costs al allow it . 1750.11 1752.08 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1749.677 1750.922 1749.79 1750.922 On one remote ? Or 1750.64 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1750.128 1750.877 1750.26 1750.877 Well - TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1751.84 1754.102 1751.86 1753.94 Yeah , I dunno . 1752.78 1753.94 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1752.64 1757.888 1752.67 1757.888 I don't know if that can be done with the cost of twelve fifty . With that uh 1757.3 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1756.144 1756.8 1756.18 1756.75 Nee . 1756.75 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1757.952 1761.552 1757.97 1761.52 If it should be done , if it could be done , I won't matter . Yeah . 1758.81 1760.26 1761.33 1761.52 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1759.84 1765.824 1759.86 1765.78 Yeah , but how would you like to implement that , that you say volume up , and then it goes up , or ? 1760.91 1762.92 1764.64 1765.68 1765.78 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1759.88 1762.094 1760.16 1761.94 We should do it . Yeah . Sure . 1761.4 1761.78 1761.94 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1764.693 1765.719 1765.14 1765.61 Yeah . 1765.61 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1765.44 1765.712 1765.47 1765.68 Yeah . 1765.68 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1766.864 1767.12 1766.9 1767.08 Uh . 1767.08 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1767.184 1769.105 1767.21 1768.93 Certain systems already exist , I think . 1768.52 1768.93 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1769.04 1769.472 1769.07 1769.44 Mm-hmm . 1769.44 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1769.6 1777.76 1769.63 1777.76 Then you also have to have different languages if we go international . Then uh it's y it's yours to do a French and Dutch and English and 1772.95 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1773.568 1774.711 1773.568 1774.53 True . 1774.53 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1774.234 1775.417 1774.44 1775.21 True , yeah . 1774.82 1775.21 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1775.341 1776.234 1775.36 1776.04 Yeah . True . 1775.49 1776.04 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1775.959 1776.533 1776.18 1776.39 Yeah . 1776.39 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1777.584 1787.408 1777.6 1787.37 But that should also be with f should be also with L_C_D_ screen . Because then I think in Chinese is different written , volume is different written than um Swahili or something . 1781.77 1784.07 1787.37 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1778.208 1781.84 1778.23 1781.8 This should be uh accommodated with some software , uh , uh . Yeah . 1780.92 1781.1 1781.6 1781.8 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1782.481 1783.408 1782.55 1783.37 Yeah , that's right . 1782.92 1783.37 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1785.696 1785.952 1785.72 1785.91 Yeah . 1785.91 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1786.529 1786.987 1786.64 1786.94 Right . 1786.94 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1787.68 1789.2 1787.71 1789.17 Swahili . Swahili . 1788.67 1789.17 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1788.496 1790.592 1788.52 1790.55 Yeah you can use icons for the - TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1791.104 1791.344 1791.15 1791.31 Yeah . 1791.31 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1791.232 1791.952 1791.3 1791.92 Ja , well possible . 1791.38 1791.92 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1791.68 1792.72 1791.7 1792.72 a speaker and uh - TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1792.395 1792.944 1792.63 1792.88 Indeed . 1792.88 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1794.144 1797.824 1794.17 1797.79 But if that's better than language for the for the remote . 1797.79 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1794.302 1796.069 1794.56 1795.89 Yeah , yeah yeah yeah . 1794.65 1795.89 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1795.801 1796.54 1795.99 1796.4 Yeah . 1796.4 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1798.345 1801.264 1798.65 1801.21 So we want to uh yeah it's international uh okay . 1801.21 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1799.968 1801.915 1799.99 1801.03 Then it's Yeah . 1801.03 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1802.768 1803.088 1802.79 1803.04 Okay . 1803.04 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1803.072 1804.496 1803.09 1804.37 'Kay , what else ? 1803.46 1804.37 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1804.928 1806.528 1804.95 1806.528 So , no speech recognition ? Or 1805.23 1806.26 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1807.12 1809.836 1807.14 1809.836 Well , if it could be done , we 1807.68 1808.69 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1808.768 1810.56 1808.79 1810.53 Yeah , we have to keep Yeah . 1809.31 1810.53 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1809.198 1811.784 1809.44 1811.54 Y it should be done . If it could be done , should be done . 1810.34 1810.95 1811.54 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1811.248 1812.0 1811.33 1812.0 Yeah . 1811.93 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1811.936 1813.648 1811.96 1813.51 Yeah , and then we have different languages . 1812.09 1813.51 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1814.352 1817.921 1814.38 1817.2 Yeah , that should be uh anything matters . 1814.67 1817.2 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1815.76 1825.264 1815.82 1825.264 That's not so difficult at all , because I already use on several voice operated systems , and they are all possible to uh not all , but 1817.49 1821.72 1825.11 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1817.006 1819.584 1817.27 1819.584 Okay , just make a separate remote for each uh 1817.5 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1825.776 1828.16 1825.8 1828.13 Well , you sh you should to adjust the thing . 1825.95 1828.13 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1826.0 1827.153 1826.02 1826.92 I think it's difficult . 1826.92 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1828.192 1830.256 1828.21 1830.256 Every language of dialects - TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1830.592 1830.976 1830.62 1830.94 Yeah . 1830.94 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1831.296 1832.726 1831.32 1832.64 I think it's very differen difficult . 1832.64 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1832.272 1835.168 1832.29 1835.12 And you have to speak the so that it can understand . 1835.12 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1833.888 1834.272 1833.92 1834.24 Yeah . 1834.24 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1835.856 1840.679 1835.88 1840.679 I think it can't be implemented , but maybe 1838.89 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1840.272 1844.944 1840.272 1844.944 You could use that n as an option , if you have money left , or something . 1842.62 1844.07 1844.74 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1842.544 1844.004 1842.56 1843.74 Yeah , 's an option , yes . 1842.74 1843.24 1843.74 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1844.352 1845.264 1844.39 1845.23 Yeah , sure , indeed . 1844.58 1844.93 1845.23 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1845.6 1846.592 1845.62 1846.42 Fifty Euro cents . 1846.42 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1846.4 1848.64 1846.4 1848.31 Yeah . Let's do speech . 1847.52 1848.31 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1848.4 1848.656 1848.42 1848.62 Yeah . 1848.62 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1848.02 1849.722 1848.46 1849.59 For speech recognition . 1849.59 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1851.28 1890.192 1851.37 1890.11 Okay , so we only do this when we have enough money left . Okay . Well I've written down an an on or off button , volume selection , channel selection , uh the digits from one to zero , huh . Um or from zero to nine . Uh a digits button to switch uh between one and two digits , mute button , a separate menu for teletext , a battery indicator . Um we're going to use a docking station and uh probably L_C_D_ and if there's enough money , speech recognition . And uh the possibility to uh enlarge buttons or to have large buttons 1851.84 1855.35 1856.23 1859.86 1860.63 1861.78 1863.99 1864.71 1867.02 1872.71 1874.01 1876.28 1878.17 1884.65 1886.2 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1854.704 1855.424 1854.82 1855.424 Yeah . 1855.26 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1885.68 1886.048 1885.72 1886.01 Mm . 1886.01 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1890.4 1892.045 1890.43 1891.83 Mm , yes . 1890.82 1891.83 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1890.584 1905.551 1890.71 1905.551 Yeah . I With uh teletext if it wasn't ver very important , it was but You also now have colours . I don't know if we should implement that . Yeah , when you press the red button , you go to page one hundred two , and when you press the 1891.24 1895.48 1898.57 1900.39 1900.95 1902.62 1904.31 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1891.297 1891.936 1891.51 1891.9 in general . 1891.9 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1895.152 1896.4 1895.22 1896.4 No , but 1896.15 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1899.936 1900.368 1899.96 1900.24 Curved ? 1900.24 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1905.056 1905.984 1905.08 1905.81 Uh yeah . 1905.81 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1906.336 1913.856 1906.36 1913.75 I don't know if we should implement that , because it says that teletext not really important , but yeah , the shortcut , and you can't go to sport . 1908.2 1910.91 1911.94 1912.69 1913.75 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1906.96 1907.797 1907.02 1907.58 Um . 1907.58 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1909.996 1911.568 1910.22 1911.52 S Shortcuts . Uh . 1911.09 1911.52 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1912.528 1919.696 1912.55 1919.62 I think we should we could that we could also implement a audio settings , screen settings and channel settings , but as sub-menus . 1915.99 1918.69 1919.62 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1920.128 1920.464 1920.15 1920.43 Yeah . 1920.43 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1921.088 1921.472 1921.13 1921.44 Mm . 1921.44 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1921.552 1933.567 1921.59 1933.33 D Mainly if you turn the uh remote control on , you have to u you have to see from one till zero , channel and volume . And if you want to use teletext screen or audio , then you can press it . It should be available but not 1923.96 1926.59 1927.89 1930.23 1931.79 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1930.576 1937.264 1930.6 1937.14 Sh Yeah , just just sub-menu . Yeah . Not directly uh available . Okay . 1931.88 1933.1 1933.79 1936.65 1937.14 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1932.734 1934.737 1933.69 1934.64 'Cause it should be there . 1934.64 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1934.019 1934.963 1934.07 1934.72 not Yeah . 1934.72 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1935.76 1936.064 1935.78 1936.03 Yeah . 1936.03 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1939.408 1943.472 1939.48 1943.472 Okay , so not too much teletext support , but in a separate menu , and 1939.82 1942.19 1943.28 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1943.591 1944.038 1943.62 1943.81 Yeah . 1943.81 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1943.632 1943.952 1943.66 1943.9 Mm . 1943.9 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1944.336 1948.498 1944.36 1947.99 So actually it is there but it's just not r ready there . 1947.99 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1945.84 1947.058 1945.86 1946.96 Yeah , but s 1946.13 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1947.206 1950.97 1947.3 1950.91 Directly available . So does it confuse uh the user ? 1948.96 1950.91 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1947.744 1947.984 1947.76 1947.95 Yeah . 1947.95 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1950.172 1951.896 1950.27 1951.896 You'll have to search for it . 1951.77 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1950.992 1952.416 1951.02 1952.3 They'd have to be easy to use . 1952.3 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1951.76 1953.792 1951.8 1953.58 Uh . I'll search um . 1952.52 1953.58 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1954.96 1959.408 1954.98 1959.37 If you want to use teletext , you can push the teletext button and then the options uh become available . 1956.11 1959.37 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1957.195 1957.485 1957.23 1957.43 Yeah . 1957.43 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1959.472 1960.224 1959.49 1960.224 Yeah , that's a 1959.72 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1962.08 1963.168 1962.25 1963.0 The sign of it . 1963.0 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1963.984 1966.64 1964.0 1966.57 Okay , but no more buttons or functions , or ? 1964.31 1966.37 1966.57 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1966.672 1969.792 1966.71 1969.76 Uh , no . What else can you do with a television ? 1967.63 1968.54 1969.76 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 1966.976 1967.76 1967.03 1967.59 No . 1967.59 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1966.97 1968.586 1967.25 1968.09 I guess not . 1968.09 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1969.232 1970.434 1969.25 1970.36 We've got anon - TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1969.968 1973.509 1970.04 1973.35 Aren't we forgetting something very important ? 1973.35 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1971.287 1976.745 1971.56 1976.6 Have got got two examples here , but I don't think there's anything we're missing . 1973.24 1976.6 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1975.32 1979.361 1975.52 1979.12 Uh play , pause , doesn't n need to be there . 1976.72 1977.2 1979.12 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1978.784 1980.768 1978.8 1980.768 Well , we don't have the video orders 1978.94 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1979.853 1982.848 1979.99 1982.81 Yes , so this is your presentation . 1980.63 1982.81 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1984.144 1988.305 1984.17 1988.26 We could check the other remote controls with technical functions . 1988.26 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1986.976 1989.472 1987.0 1989.472 Yeah , you could look here all the the 1987.12 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1989.424 1990.772 1989.44 1990.73 Which ones were yours ? 1990.73 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 1990.672 1998.592 1990.73 1998.592 Uh th th th th I don't know , technical functions . They're a bit small , you can we should stretch them , because 1992.97 1995.75 1996.4 1997.64 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1992.905 1993.972 1993.03 1993.58 Techni - TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 1998.752 1999.152 1998.77 1999.06 Ping . 1999.06 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 1999.04 2004.128 1999.06 2004.09 Ja ja ja ja ja . Technical functions . Yeah okay . 2000.89 2002.78 2004.09 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2004.192 2005.504 2004.21 2005.47 I guess we've got them all . 2005.47 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2005.584 2011.904 2005.61 2011.66 Uh I think I go to have volume , mute but I Yeah . 2008.67 2011.66 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2013.392 2016.08 2013.42 2016.04 Very slow . Yeah , the zoom buttons . 2015.05 2015.2 2016.04 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2016.375 2019.28 2016.59 2019.11 And for a T_V_ ? Can you zoom in a T_V_ ? 2017.94 2019.11 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2017.136 2023.792 2017.16 2023.76 Yeah , b wide screen , high screen , different things you have , yeah different uh Yeah . 2017.68 2019.35 2020.7 2022.33 2023.76 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2021.056 2028.583 2021.08 2028.49 Or that you can put 'em on uh on on wide and yeah . But that should also be a sub then , a sub uh menu thing . 2024.67 2026.79 2028.49 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 2027.76 2028.517 2027.78 2028.05 Menu . 2028.05 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2028.064 2030.832 2028.08 2030.79 Yeah it should be available , but then in separate screen settings or something . 2029.08 2030.79 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2030.784 2034.0 2030.8 2033.97 Yeah , so we should also implement se screen settings . 2031.77 2033.97 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 2031.376 2031.712 2031.41 2031.66 Mm . 2031.66 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2034.048 2036.992 2034.07 2036.96 Yeah , screen settings , audio settings , teletext settings you have . 2034.23 2034.75 2035.64 2036.96 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2035.585 2036.096 2035.64 2036.06 Oh right . 2036.06 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2037.152 2037.536 2037.17 2037.5 Yeah . 2037.5 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2038.768 2039.592 2038.79 2039.48 Channel settings . 2039.48 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2040.256 2042.787 2040.28 2042.787 Yeah , so you can program the 2040.96 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2041.547 2043.456 2041.62 2043.42 So those four , and of course the main . 2042.37 2043.42 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2043.632 2047.088 2043.65 2047.088 Yeah , so the first you see the main , and the other ones you can uh go to uh 2043.89 2044.88 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2045.616 2046.615 2045.69 2046.52 Yeah . Yeah . 2046.4 2046.52 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2047.344 2050.192 2047.36 2050.16 Like tap screens or something or , I dunno . 2049.77 2050.16 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2048.715 2049.149 2048.81 2049.06 Yeah . 2049.06 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2051.072 2054.432 2051.072 2054.432 I hope we can do this . 2053.59 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2051.008 2051.708 2051.11 2051.708 Something - TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 2053.488 2061.824 2053.52 2061.824 There are a lot of options depending uh on what kind of television you got . 'Cause if you don't got a wide screen television you don't need the uh the screen settings uh for uh 2057.9 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2053.76 2055.104 2053.78 2055.104 Yeah , if uh 2054.38 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2059.88 2063.2 2060.11 2063.16 No , you don't yu a no you then you don't no ni don't then you don't use it . 2060.21 2063.16 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 2063.28 2067.276 2063.3 2067.276 Yeah and if the television does not support such uh operations - TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2067.008 2067.568 2067.03 2067.48 Mm-hmm . 2067.48 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2067.984 2069.648 2068.0 2069.59 We don't have to use that top . Yeah . 2069.45 2069.59 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2069.568 2078.864 2069.59 2078.78 Yeah . So you leave it alone . Yeah . Or it could be possible to have a a standard version of the remote , an expanded version . 2070.62 2073.29 2074.17 2077.68 2078.78 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 2070.144 2070.464 2070.16 2070.43 Yeah . 2070.43 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 2072.592 2072.864 2072.61 2072.83 Yeah . 2072.83 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2077.376 2078.144 2077.376 2077.9 Yeah . 2077.9 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2079.312 2082.08 2079.33 2082.08 And do we want them in different colours , or 2080.97 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2080.784 2081.173 2080.8 2081.02 Yeah . 2081.02 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2083.216 2085.008 2083.29 2084.92 And and the buttons , should they have colours ? 2084.06 2084.92 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2083.36 2084.672 2083.38 2084.64 Colours . Yeah . 2084.35 2084.64 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 2085.472 2094.321 2085.49 2094.24 Colours I think the main colour of the remote control is uh the colour of the L_C_D_ screen . I Because we don't want a lot a devi yeah a device self s g 2090.5 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2086.995 2088.541 2087.04 2088.28 Oh but we don't have any buttons . 2088.28 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2090.16 2090.512 2090.18 2090.48 Yeah . 2090.48 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 2090.349 2091.539 2090.72 2091.14 Yeah . 2091.14 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2090.98 2092.4 2091.1 2092.37 Yeah , then defines itself . 2091.28 2092.37 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2092.963 2096.286 2093.06 2096.17 Because uh how many percent ? Eighty percent ? 2095.36 2096.17 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2095.909 2098.043 2096.21 2097.92 They think it's ugly , right ? 2097.42 2097.92 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2097.104 2099.168 2097.12 2098.95 Would spend more money if it looks fancy . 2098.95 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 2098.96 2103.138 2098.98 2103.138 Okay , so use uh very uh lot of peo 2099.23 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2102.208 2111.472 2102.23 2111.472 Perhaps you can uh make adjustable fronts , like with the telephones . You can uh But I don't think that uh 2104.49 2105.79 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 2104.948 2106.836 2105.0 2106.836 Adjust with phones , yes 2105.78 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 2107.632 2110.996 2107.65 2110.59 Okay . Twelve Euro fifty . 2109.68 2110.59 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 2112.032 2114.72 2112.05 2114.68 Well , make it available in different colours , you mean ? Sure . 2113.05 2114.2 2114.4 2114.68 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2114.439 2115.096 2114.54 2114.84 Yeah . 2114.84 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2115.703 2116.319 2115.91 2116.25 Yeah . 2116.25 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 2117.568 2119.888 2117.6 2119.888 Red , white , blue , black . 2118.07 2118.48 2118.95 2119.68 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2120.768 2121.88 2120.81 2121.49 Rasta colours . 2121.49 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 2121.008 2122.352 2121.03 2122.32 And a see-through uh - TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 2121.584 2126.032 2121.6 2126.032 Grey . Yeah sea view , yes , Simpson's versions and 2122.28 2123.58 2124.13 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2122.368 2123.472 2122.368 2123.24 Yeah . 2123.24 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2122.848 2125.695 2122.87 2125.64 Yeah , see through version . Yeah . 2123.44 2125.17 2125.64 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2126.088 2127.808 2126.22 2127.77 If you press a button , it turns green . 2126.99 2127.77 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2127.728 2128.56 2127.84 2128.31 Yeah . 2128.31 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 2128.976 2130.438 2129.05 2130.4 Okay , well that's the 2129.56 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 2129.168 2130.64 2129.19 2130.64 Leave . 2130.41 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2129.488 2130.453 2129.55 2130.42 A disco version . 2130.42 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2131.296 2132.65 2131.4 2132.57 Five minutes ? 2132.57 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 2131.104 2144.16 2131.76 2144.08 signal for las final five minutes . Um so I have uh the things I just read . Um then we have uh separate menus for teletext , screen settings , audio settings , and what else ? 2134.43 2137.73 2140.93 2141.89 2143.54 2144.08 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 2143.374 2144.195 2143.61 2144.08 Yeah . 2144.08 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2144.24 2144.979 2144.26 2144.89 Channel settings ? 2144.89 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2145.168 2147.511 2145.19 2147.38 Oh yeah , right . So you can program the T_V_ . 2145.51 2145.88 2147.38 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 2145.616 2146.642 2145.79 2146.55 Channel settings . 2146.55 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2147.104 2147.584 2147.12 2147.4 Yeah . 2147.4 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 2147.664 2148.032 2147.7 2147.95 Okay . 2147.95 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2149.888 2151.168 2149.92 2151.13 Mm . 2151.13 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2150.88 2161.232 2150.9 2161.232 Perhaps you should you'd throw them on on in one pile . So , options , and then you sub them . Otherwise you have all those teletext , perhaps teletext not , but 2154.24 2154.44 2155.73 2158.01 2159.68 2161.06 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2157.28 2158.907 2157.3 2158.76 Yeah . Could be possible . 2158.26 2158.76 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 2160.112 2160.48 2160.15 2160.36 Mm . 2160.36 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2161.168 2171.067 2161.19 2170.94 Or like uh you have a menu button , you press Yeah , or otherwise you have a menu button , press menu then you have uh main uh menu search uh all the all the settings . 2163.46 2164.84 2166.05 2170.94 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 2162.269 2164.688 2162.63 2164.65 No , we said teletext also a separate menu . 2162.83 2164.65 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2164.88 2165.472 2164.9 2165.472 Yeah , but I 2165.07 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2167.473 2167.907 2167.49 2167.74 Yeah . 2167.74 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2171.024 2172.445 2171.04 2172.445 Yeah . But 2172.07 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 2171.824 2187.84 2172.0 2187.79 Okay , but we can work that out later , I guess . So we're having a a general menu with the most used functions , uh teletext , screen settings , audio settings , channel settings , and maybe there are options for the remote itself ? Like uh large icons or small icons and 2172.25 2173.96 2174.18 2178.47 2179.36 2179.86 2180.55 2181.86 2185.19 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2173.232 2174.728 2173.29 2174.65 Yeah , no problem . Yep . 2173.74 2174.43 2174.65 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2185.344 2186.128 2185.37 2186.09 I don't know . 2186.09 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2188.304 2201.603 2188.36 2201.603 Um , I think b because we don't have a lot of buttons on the one screen , I think the buttons Yeah , but but or like you have you only have channel button or volume button . Those buttons you can you can 2189.46 2193.45 2195.51 2199.91 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 2188.272 2189.668 2188.6 2189.668 I don't know what else , but 2189.45 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 2189.072 2189.344 2189.09 2189.3 No . 2189.3 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2193.424 2195.879 2193.46 2195.82 Or do we have any buttons ? On the remote . 2195.21 2195.82 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2196.548 2197.902 2196.98 2197.61 Which one ? 2197.61 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2200.624 2202.496 2200.64 2202.45 But that's also in the L_C_D_ , right ? 2202.2 2202.45 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 2200.72 2201.856 2200.74 2201.82 Yeah , but on the L_C_D_ , huh ? 2200.84 2201.71 2201.82 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2202.656 2204.54 2202.68 2204.3 Yeah . Yeah , th 2203.84 2204.13 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 2203.264 2204.759 2203.29 2204.759 Right , yeah , okay . 2203.51 2203.76 2204.41 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2203.781 2206.773 2203.9 2206.71 So we don't have any normal buttons that uh No , alright . 2206.0 2206.71 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2205.184 2210.163 2205.21 2210.163 No , no normal buttons , yeah . Maybe only the on and o on and off button . But I don't think 2205.43 2206.25 2206.89 2209.35 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2207.916 2210.009 2208.16 2209.91 Yet on and off is p is perhaps you kno - TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 2208.751 2212.72 2209.07 2212.68 But we don't need a special we don't need a special options menu for the remote itself . 2212.68 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 2209.328 2210.563 2209.35 2210.563 Uh not button - TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2213.328 2214.512 2213.4 2214.48 Mm , no . 2214.23 2214.48 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2213.648 2214.704 2213.67 2214.67 No , no . 2214.34 2214.67 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 2214.96 2215.808 2215.02 2215.31 Okay . 2215.31 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2216.272 2220.021 2216.44 2219.63 Oh well , you should be able to set which T_V_ you have . 2216.88 2219.63 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2220.832 2222.94 2220.85 2222.94 If you have if you have uh - TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 2221.04 2226.112 2221.06 2226.08 Yeah sure , of course you need uh a settings button , uh or a settings option for the remote control . 2221.53 2223.61 2226.08 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2226.032 2226.368 2226.06 2226.33 Yeah . 2226.33 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2227.952 2235.515 2228.04 2235.515 But isn't idea to use uh uh what you said , uh normal on and off button for the T_V_ , that you don't have to use a 2230.76 2234.07 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2233.552 2241.904 2233.58 2241.86 No no no , because we we discussed that you could charge it , otherwise is it it jumps to stand-by mode automatically . 2234.27 2237.22 2241.86 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2241.248 2245.46 2241.27 2245.46 Yeah but but not for the remote but for the T_V_ , that you use 2244.3 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2244.432 2253.504 2244.46 2253.47 Yeah , but a T_V_ of course , th that's the I think that's a best thing is that to implement that one in the menu with the volume and channel . No . 2244.66 2245.3 2252.97 2253.47 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2251.76 2254.372 2251.8 2253.87 But a not as normal button , in the L_C_D_ , yeah . 2252.98 2253.64 2253.87 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 2253.696 2263.488 2253.72 2263.45 Well maybe there should be a separate button apart from the L_C_D_ , because you can't turn it on when the L_C_D_ is off . So how do you turn the thing on ? There has to be a on button on the remote , huh ? 2256.4 2259.91 2260.88 2263.21 2263.45 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2261.137 2263.517 2261.6 2263.42 No you just tap I think . 2263.42 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2262.598 2266.912 2262.7 2266.88 Yeah , you tap . Touch screen , yeah then it's turn turn off , turn on . 2262.86 2263.99 2264.77 2266.66 2266.88 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 2262.928 2263.568 2262.95 2263.45 Just tap it . 2263.45 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 2263.911 2269.966 2264.09 2269.77 Tap the thing . Okay . And then the television is on also , or just the remote ? Sure . 2264.6 2265.7 2267.82 2269.6 2269.77 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2268.464 2279.616 2268.52 2279.58 No , just the remote . A television don't have to be on , that one you can press on , yeah stand-by , then press on remote , press on and then T_V_ should be available . Or not . 2268.73 2269.37 2271.25 2273.71 2274.29 2275.5 2279.3 2279.58 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2269.628 2270.111 2269.78 2270.111 But - TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 2272.352 2274.601 2272.38 2274.601 Yeah , it should be in standby mode , but 2272.7 2273.91 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2278.064 2292.043 2278.08 2292.043 Yeah a yeah . I don't know whether it's handy to have a n a normal on button , a r just uh rubber uh for for T_V_ , so you can turn it on and then you can choose the channel . Otherwise you I don't know whether or not that's 2279.96 2283.06 2285.78 2288.27 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2283.688 2284.591 2283.78 2284.4 Separate . 2284.4 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 2292.08 2295.232 2292.1 2295.14 A A A normal button on the remote control , or norm ? 2294.8 2295.14 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2293.456 2295.968 2293.48 2295.93 Yeah , yeah . To turn it on . 2294.42 2295.14 2295.93 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2298.208 2300.672 2298.23 2300.64 Of or you should put it in the L_C_D_ screen . 2300.64 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 2302.08 2306.928 2302.1 2306.8 Yeah , because uh when you touch the L_C_D_ screen when it is in standby mode , it should pop on . 2302.33 2305.66 2306.8 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2306.896 2309.779 2306.92 2309.45 Yeah , I have , yeah . 2308.25 2308.97 2309.45 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 2309.418 2310.197 2309.44 2310.197 Okay , well 2309.8 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 2309.472 2313.047 2309.49 2312.79 Wh uh why would it be a a need to have a normal button ? 2312.79 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2312.224 2327.056 2312.24 2327.02 Well I I guess if you use the L_C_D_ screen , you first have to search where is the on button , then you uh you you then turn it , and then the T_V_ goes on . But if you have a normal on button on the on the remote , then you do the on , and then you search the channel which you want . 2315.54 2317.0 2319.31 2320.62 2324.44 2325.15 2327.02 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2327.52 2338.72 2327.54 2338.64 Yeah , but I think the re the remote control , if you press tap the screen , it always should jump to the screen which has the volume button , channel button , and of course of also the on and off button . 2327.71 2329.31 2331.26 2335.87 2336.87 2338.64 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 2335.79 2336.297 2335.96 2336.23 Mm . 2336.23 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2338.957 2340.065 2339.17 2339.77 Oh right . 2339.77 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 2339.488 2345.963 2339.53 2345.74 I think it looks a lot more fancy if you use uh if you don't have any buttons on the s on on remote control . 2345.74 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2341.056 2343.712 2341.08 2343.68 Yeah , I think so too . Otherwise y wet e k Yeah . 2341.29 2342.17 2343.68 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 2344.192 2355.522 2344.21 2355.21 Yeah . So actually we're going to create a a button-less uh remote . No buttons at all . Okay , well that's might be a unique selling point , huh for a remote . Okay , well I guess we have to 2344.94 2348.48 2349.41 2349.66 2351.96 2353.67 2354.0 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2344.32 2344.704 2344.35 2344.62 Yeah . 2344.62 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2347.4 2348.544 2347.48 2348.544 Yeah . 2348.42 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2351.982 2352.844 2352.18 2352.66 Mm-hmm . 2352.66 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2352.368 2355.552 2352.368 2355.552 If we can afford it . 2354.49 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2354.256 2356.064 2354.256 2356.064 Yeah , if we can afford it . Yeah . 2354.38 2355.67 2355.89 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 2354.672 2356.704 2354.672 2356.704 Oh , okay 2356.31 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 2355.956 2363.632 2355.98 2363.5 postpone further discussion to uh our next meeting , because we're running out of time . Um for now , we're having a lunch break , 2359.14 2360.85 2362.54 2363.5 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 2363.644 2364.752 2364.02 2364.15 Oh . 2364.15 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 2364.704 2386.656 2364.704 2386.62 and then there will be uh half an hour for the uh next share of individual work . I will uh write uh minutes , if I can create them out of this . And uh put them in the the project documents uh folder . And here are the individual actions for the for the other roles . And of course specific instructions will be sent to you again by your uh personal coach . 2370.69 2372.56 2375.4 2378.32 2382.93 2386.62 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 2375.395 2376.339 2375.71 2376.1 Mm . 2376.1 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2386.848 2387.52 2386.99 2387.48 Alright . 2387.48 TS3005b A MTD017PM 0 2387.776 2394.016 2387.83 2393.18 Luckily as we are . Okay , well thank you very much , for now , and uh have a nice lunch , huh ? 2389.37 2389.84 2390.82 2391.19 2393.18 2393.93 TS3005b D MTD020ME 3 2390.528 2390.928 2390.55 2390.89 Mm-hmm . 2390.89 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2391.616 2392.576 2391.71 2392.576 Lunch . 2392.31 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 2393.584 2395.904 2393.6 2395.904 Okay . Food . 2395.32 2395.67 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2399.792 2401.904 2399.81 2401.85 Should we put this back in our rooms , or uh ? 2401.59 2401.85 TS3005b C MTD018ID 2 2402.034 2403.603 2402.41 2403.34 Yeah , think so . 2402.83 2403.34 TS3005b B FTD019UID 1 2405.04 2405.392 2405.06 2405.3 Yeah . 2405.3 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 209.68 243.712 211.0 243.66 Okay , welcome everyone to our next meeting . I'm busy writing and busy leading the meeting , but um I've prepared a little presentation once again um or at least an agenda I think uh the biggest part of the presentation will be uh on your side . Um we are here at the conceptual design meeting , which is hereby opened . Um once again I will try to uh write some minutes which I just from the previous meeting uh placed inside our project folder , 211.78 213.98 219.1 231.73 235.33 236.96 243.66 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 245.424 262.976 245.44 262.92 which was quite some typing . Um today we once again have uh three presentations , if I'm right , and after that we will take a decision on the remote control concepts . And just as the last time we have forty minutes to accomplish that . Okay , well 247.56 252.37 253.34 257.06 262.18 262.62 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 264.144 271.68 264.24 271.65 I'd say let's start with the first presentation . Um in the same order as last time ? Okay . 268.32 271.35 271.65 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 266.846 267.548 266.98 267.45 'Kay . 267.45 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 269.985 270.91 270.15 270.81 W sure . 270.81 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 270.752 271.728 270.78 271.69 Mm . Alright . 271.4 271.69 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 272.736 273.744 272.83 273.67 Well , take it away . 273.1 273.67 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 279.663 297.6 279.663 297.55 Okay uh welcome you all . Components design , um uh first of all uh I would like to uh uh accommodate some of those uh things I uh uh elaborate some of the things I did . I I elaborated on the concept . What should be um 284.3 285.39 294.55 296.38 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 299.136 309.136 299.22 309.1 uh said about uh the components , uh its properties and what kind of materials should we use to uh to make uh one of those r remote controls . 302.3 309.1 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 310.224 332.24 310.24 332.1 Uh well first of all I've uh d subtracted some of the components that is that are used uh are w w um you know from what uh the remote control's formed . Uh first of all , the case , the case , the surrounding of the of the the remote control . I would like to uh give you an idea of uh how I thought about . 321.53 322.64 323.18 323.63 327.45 332.1 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 331.968 333.44 332.4 333.31 Don't destroy my giraffe . 333.31 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 333.648 361.648 333.648 361.61 Giraffe's gone now . Okay um the case was is made from rubber , I suppose . There's one of the because when you use a remote control a lot of people uh will uh will uh drop their remote control and they break uh becau the uh titanium was also an option . But uh it's a very expensive material . Uh rubber is , I think , uh the best suitable uh material uh to use uh for our uh 335.74 338.13 338.77 352.48 354.87 355.67 356.41 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 346.489 347.451 346.73 347.22 Drop it . 347.22 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 347.928 348.774 348.27 348.42 Hmm . 348.42 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 362.672 398.066 362.69 397.9 for our remote control . Um it's poss it's also possible to uh create fancy colours with rubber . Uh rubber l makes it easy to uh to to it lets lets itself colour . Uh titanium uh you have to paint it and with that uh it's possible to scratch it or uh yeah make it ugly . Uh rubber uh the total uh piece of rubber that's sor uh that's that's used uh to make the case is uh the same colour , so if you scratch it it's still the same colour , perhaps uh it's a little bit damaged . But it's a very strong material . 364.05 369.86 374.8 383.76 392.03 394.27 396.36 397.9 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 398.066 411.552 398.38 411.22 Um I h I had an idea single covered uh curved , sorry , single curved . Uh so it's t two dimensional . I think it's uh it's best to draw oh green . 402.82 403.27 404.51 407.17 411.22 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 410.672 413.85 410.672 413.85 It's a colour . 413.69 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 411.472 415.664 411.472 415.49 Bright colour . Fancy colour . Forward . 413.53 415.01 415.49 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 412.976 413.28 413.22 413.28 Uh - TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 414.592 416.16 414.61 416.13 New . Blank . 415.73 416.13 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 417.248 417.536 417.27 417.49 Okay . 417.49 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 417.113 418.259 417.37 418.04 You have to go t - TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 420.736 422.224 420.76 422.19 Let's make it uh black . 422.19 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 423.28 425.088 423.3 425.05 Okay . I thought of an idea like this . 423.81 425.05 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 426.632 430.112 426.93 430.01 Oh that . Um delete . 429.08 430.01 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 432.592 434.688 432.73 434.64 Blank . Okay . 434.22 434.64 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 440.912 448.4 440.93 448.37 So it also looks nice when it's on your table . So you get uh it doesn't lay flat down on the table , but it's c it's stands . 443.74 446.32 448.37 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 448.32 449.152 448.35 449.11 Oh it's a side view . 449.11 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 449.536 474.513 449.56 474.39 Side view yes it's side view so uh I I'm not technically good at th three D_ modelling , but . Um uh it's just an idea I had so it's uh it's very uh so its also looks nice when it's on the table . Um the graphical user interface and the buttons , uh we also thought about that already . Uh I thought about uh the L_C_D_ touch screen , which is uh is easy to clean too . 454.75 455.27 462.27 465.47 467.76 471.16 474.39 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 474.513 503.408 474.6 503.35 One of the great uh advantages of the L_C_D_ screen you just use some or uh another uh cleaning uh uh cl some cleaning stuff . And um it should be made of strong plastic and it should be bright . Well I already uh s uh explained some properties of that material and I think uh well we also we almost concluded about that uh this should uh be uh our uh button component . So uh 483.15 488.4 502.69 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 500.08 500.4 500.1 500.31 True . 500.31 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 505.056 526.016 505.4 525.66 uh that's all about uh the buttons . Uh the batteries , uh we also thought about that already , uh will be chargeable with uh uh an option for a mount station so you can uh put the uh the remote control in a mount station so its charges itself up instead of uh plugging it in or something like that . Questions , ? Okay . 507.47 508.47 510.17 523.87 525.4 525.4 525.66 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 524.816 526.848 524.84 526.81 No no no no no . Just looking . 526.37 526.81 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 524.995 526.281 525.15 526.281 No . 525.85 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 527.168 571.248 527.52 570.79 And they should be long lasting , not uh not be empty uh in about uh two minutes or uh thirty minutes or forty minutes of use . And next step is the chip uh th the component that's uh makes or transmits the signal to the television . Uh there was an option to use s a rather simple chip but I think uh because uh of our uh highly uh requiring uh requirements , there should be an advanced chip in it with uh also the ability to uh facilitate speaker speech recognition uh which unfortunately is still in a test phase , so uh there should be some more uh investigation on that side . 528.84 535.71 544.46 555.78 566.29 570.79 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 572.8 588.496 572.82 588.33 Uh my personal preferences uh I also overheard in the last meeting that there shou we should use uh our own business colours . That was correct , wasn't it ? Okay . I think they are rather boring for um for use with rubber . 582.2 582.82 583.6 584.46 588.33 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 583.088 583.488 583.22 583.43 Mm-hmm . 583.43 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 588.48 595.604 588.5 595.4 Well , business colours I thought it was the the slogan and uh the corporate image , so yeah , it needs colour , 588.95 593.56 593.98 595.4 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 593.992 596.784 594.12 596.75 Okay they should be m sh they should be in mind , wasn't it ? 596.44 596.75 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 596.56 600.085 596.58 600.085 but I don't think you have to make the entire thing in the corporate colour . 600.0 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 598.864 602.825 598.89 602.77 Okay so it d it doesn't says uh to uh have the slogan ? 602.77 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 602.256 603.856 602.28 603.63 It must be recognisable . 603.63 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 603.776 626.672 603.8 626.58 Okay okay . Well that's possible of course . We could make a little R_ and R_ on the top of the machine . Uh so they are pretty boring , I suggest , because just the availability with rubber to make fantastic colours uh and also in a lot of possible colours , so it's possible to make very uh fancy uh remote controls which peopl uh who people 604.59 606.09 610.79 612.84 613.52 620.45 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 606.529 609.081 606.55 609.081 You can put the R_ and R_ . 609.02 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 628.384 659.266 628.4 659.0 in which people will find they're uh interesting . And uh will buy uh them faster when they look at the same old grey or black uh colours . Uh s as I said uh before rubber is uh is impossible to damage severely imp instead of uh of course you can break it when you you when you break it in s for example with a pair of scissors or something like that , but i if you drop it it's not uh broken uh right away s instead of using uh plastic , hard plastic or uh titanium . 631.13 637.92 652.46 657.5 659.0 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 660.366 673.024 660.64 672.99 And I personally liked uh the single curved uh remote control , because it yeah it makes sense . Okay . Well that's all about my uh my findings . 665.73 669.14 670.11 672.99 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 673.504 673.904 673.55 673.87 Alright . 673.87 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 674.288 675.232 674.31 675.19 Okay , thank you . 674.85 675.19 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 675.536 677.248 675.57 677.06 Mm mm mm . Next . 676.36 677.06 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 675.888 676.896 675.91 676.73 I will go next . 676.73 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 689.216 708.32 689.26 708.29 Alright so I thought a little bit about the interface . Uh how it should look . And uh uh we uh determined that will not be no buttons , but only an L_C_D_ screen , so I had to uh look on that . And the design is therefore based on what we just uh uh thought of . 691.8 694.05 699.55 700.98 703.33 708.29 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 709.808 747.333 709.87 747.17 Uh first there are some new findings and new technology for speech recognition . And this is that uh um uh uh you you ask you give a question through through the device and it answers you . And they already uh put this in an in a coffee maker . And so that it you say uh good morning , uh coffee maker , and it says t says to you back good morning Joe or what's your name . This uh and there's an easy way to uh program that uh you say record into the device into the speaker and then you say the question and three seconds later you say the answer and then when you say the question it gives you the answer . 714.68 722.87 726.43 728.86 730.07 735.03 747.17 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 733.12 733.376 733.15 733.29 Mm . 733.29 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 747.699 748.339 747.86 748.0 Mm . 748.0 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 747.333 773.452 747.87 773.06 Um perhaps it's useful , perhaps for because people um lose the remote , they can yell uh remote where are you and calls or something . And perhaps we could uh implement that . And then I have to go out of the presentation because I tried to make some kind of a a idea of how it should look like but I can't draw , so uh don't make too much of it . 749.52 752.76 757.64 760.0 769.21 773.06 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 748.432 748.64 748.46 748.6 Mm . 748.6 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 750.384 750.592 750.44 750.56 Mm . 750.56 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 756.942 757.682 757.01 757.38 It's true . 757.38 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 763.6 765.197 763.62 765.197 Oh my God . 765.09 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 773.452 795.04 774.12 794.94 I tried to uh the L_C_D_ screen I tried to sort of to draw . I thought uh at least uh the icon for the volume . I don't know if there is an icon for the program , but yeah . So uh and then the buttons above and uh below the and the and the mute button also recognisable as an icon . 778.86 782.43 784.81 786.87 794.94 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 784.995 787.024 785.2 786.99 Not just a P_ . Oh okay . 786.14 786.99 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 785.705 787.11 785.9 786.83 P_ yeah , just a P_ . 786.38 786.83 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 787.024 787.654 787.024 787.654 .. . 787.654 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 796.032 796.72 796.05 796.69 Um . 796.69 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 795.951 798.752 796.2 798.58 Where's where's the button for two ? 798.58 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 799.376 836.16 799.4 836.11 I forgot that one . I thought I forgot something , but uh . And uh and uh the numbers , that should be a bit larger I think it's not really on scale and and so forth . Um an options button . And I thought the the button for teletext apar uh apart because it's not really options , I think . It's uh options is the settings of the remote and of the T_V_ and that kind of uh thing . So could call it settings or something . But this is a bit uh how I thought it . And uh the L_C_D_ uh somewhere on the remote . Perhaps we could be more curvy the remote perhaps should , 800.31 802.61 803.7 806.49 811.23 813.41 819.36 820.13 824.26 826.45 829.78 832.62 836.11 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 800.094 801.084 800.26 800.61 Okay . 800.61 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 809.712 810.176 809.86 810.1 Ah . 810.1 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 810.448 810.864 810.48 810.83 Doesn't matter . 810.83 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 820.08 820.464 820.11 820.43 Mm-hmm . 820.43 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 820.736 821.008 820.81 820.97 No . 820.97 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 823.744 824.08 823.87 824.05 Yep . 824.05 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 837.376 845.648 837.42 845.6 so that it's better in your hand or something uh . But uh and and uh a microph microphone for the speech uh recognition if we want to implement that . 840.44 845.6 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 839.424 840.192 839.44 840.16 Oh okay , yeah . 839.96 840.16 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 846.704 852.992 846.77 852.96 Uh and then uh if you press the op options button , now we have an example of 851.09 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 854.464 892.064 854.48 892.01 and then you should get the other options with what what you could do and that you could do with something like this this . And uh it's also uh I thought think we discussed uh earlier that uh older people don't really want to use uh these extra settings . And older people a also don't really want to use this uh th this kind of option menus . So they want to u use one button and then something happens , and not choose with uh this kind of uh And you could put in a an a really s little scrolling device on the side of your uh remote , so you could scroll scroll uh across these uh things . 861.93 871.32 877.13 880.4 889.08 892.01 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 860.446 861.728 860.75 861.6 Oh yeah , . 861.6 861.6 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 887.247 887.862 887.44 887.79 Mm-hmm . 887.79 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 889.296 889.584 889.32 889.55 Mm . 889.55 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 892.272 892.928 892.34 892.89 Okay . 892.89 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 893.184 898.352 893.2 898.29 That's an option . And that was my uh finding dinge . 894.8 898.29 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 900.752 901.344 900.77 901.31 Thanks . 901.31 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 901.68 902.176 901.71 902.13 Yeah . 902.13 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 903.128 905.881 903.128 905.881 Okay . 905.01 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 903.803 905.04 904.07 904.98 Now our third - TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 905.68 907.934 905.71 907.934 Go Danny , go Danny . 906.41 907.53 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 907.072 909.952 907.09 909.91 team member with his presentation . 909.91 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 922.817 932.224 922.9 932.19 Okay , I'm going to tell you something about a trend watching . The trends from the past years , what the people like , what the youngsters like , what the elderly people liked about shapes , colours , 924.24 926.53 928.08 928.77 929.5 931.41 932.19 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 933.28 934.8 933.61 934.77 material and stuff . 934.77 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 935.85 936.44 936.03 936.37 'Kay . 936.37 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 936.9 938.672 937.01 938.672 The method I used was - TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 940.928 960.448 940.95 960.39 Like I told I watched the trends from the past years about colours , shapes , material they wanted uh from elderly and young people . So we can keep that in mind for designing f uh the device itself . Findings I made . The most important thing people liked last year was that the remote control should be look look fancy . 943.81 944.56 947.98 953.55 955.7 960.39 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 962.48 982.4 962.5 982.37 The second important thing that w should be if inv in innov innovative , okay , like the L_C_D_ screen that's quite innovative so that should be great meeting for this . And the third thing is it should be easy to use . I think with only one menu , four button , channel , volume , it should also be enough for easy to use . 967.27 967.84 973.54 976.29 978.29 979.11 979.62 979.99 982.37 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 983.616 991.28 983.82 991.25 The personal preferences for the young people , they liked fruity colours like uh banana yellow , uh strawberry red and stuff . 986.18 989.14 991.25 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 987.875 991.456 988.08 991.456 Fruity ? Fruity . 989.8 991.26 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 988.959 992.496 988.959 992.24 Grass green . 992.24 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 992.32 995.44 992.34 995.39 Yeah . Like that . The round shapes , 993.18 994.55 995.39 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 996.896 1005.661 996.92 1005.54 and soft material m materials like the rubber . It should be soft uh i it should feeling spongy or s Sponge Bob like things . Th 999.34 1005.43 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 999.061 1000.207 999.21 1000.09 Mm . Okay . 999.6 1000.09 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1003.568 1007.168 1003.568 1007.05 Let's build it into a sponge . 1007.05 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1006.837 1020.816 1007.12 1020.78 Elderly people like au colours which y are being seen in autumn like um woods um dark brown , red , deep reds and stuff . They liked square shapes with round edges . 1015.08 1015.74 1017.88 1020.78 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1022.304 1033.376 1022.44 1033.33 And hard materials like wood , um titanium . They those kind of materials they liked . This is a bit like the young peoples like the fruity colours , 1024.32 1026.08 1029.61 1033.33 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1034.592 1048.192 1034.61 1048.11 innovative , all the colours you see , the blue , the red , the white , the yellow , that stuff . And then I th I I personally thought the front side of the shape should be something for the youngsters like like 1035.66 1036.37 1036.76 1037.06 1037.37 1037.86 1039.64 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1045.642 1047.123 1046.07 1047.123 Oh y - TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1049.264 1050.256 1049.4 1050.22 this or something . 1050.22 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1051.936 1082.208 1052.04 1082.08 It's it's a bit like a banana . And the colour should be yellow , or something . And for the elderly people just plain old . Because we decided to have two kind of remotes , two designs , or was it two colours ? Different colours , yeah . We should decide whether it's going to be with round shapes . I think like my colleague , you said , is that's e better , or for the elderly people something like like the iPod or something , with round squares . Simple but 1054.44 1055.93 1056.71 1060.04 1063.28 1063.96 1065.9 1066.58 1067.15 1069.86 1072.04 1072.86 1073.97 1079.16 1081.37 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1065.104 1068.071 1065.29 1067.83 It was one remote , I think , different colours . 1066.61 1066.95 1067.83 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1083.792 1086.688 1083.81 1086.65 easy to use . So that's it . 1086.14 1086.65 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1085.344 1085.648 1085.4 1085.58 Mm . 1085.58 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1087.136 1087.6 1087.25 1087.56 Okay . 1087.56 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1087.137 1090.719 1087.51 1090.49 So for the older people , a more traditional uh form . 1088.36 1090.49 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1087.429 1088.304 1087.54 1088.304 That is my - TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1089.408 1094.4 1089.43 1094.4 Yeah , like the older o older colours I can maybe 1089.76 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1094.32 1100.944 1094.34 1100.88 You could you could uh change the colours , that was also the idea . I don't know which shape you should should take , but . 1097.18 1098.56 1100.73 1100.88 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1098.752 1099.04 1098.78 1099.0 Yeah . 1099.0 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1100.512 1102.72 1100.512 1102.72 Colours th the elderly people - TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1102.192 1104.968 1102.21 1104.93 Yeah , I guess changing colours will be easier than changing uh 1102.33 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1104.095 1104.861 1104.34 1104.61 Yeah . 1104.61 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1104.416 1106.784 1104.44 1106.75 Changing just the shape of the uh remote control ? 1106.75 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1105.471 1106.064 1105.49 1106.03 the shape of it . 1106.03 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1107.072 1111.313 1107.09 1111.313 Perhaps you could find something in the middle . Round but square . 1109.22 1110.94 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1109.056 1112.288 1109.08 1112.24 Yeah , s round corners , but s but square , yeah . 1109.46 1111.08 1111.97 1112.24 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1112.336 1112.64 1112.41 1112.6 Yeah . 1112.6 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1112.284 1114.816 1112.77 1114.48 But maybe then both groups won't buy it . 1114.48 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1114.784 1115.104 1114.8 1115.07 Yeah . 1115.07 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1115.968 1125.892 1115.99 1125.56 Uh i i if you do it uh uh square , with round corners but a little uh in the middle of it uh i Do you know what I mean ? 1119.56 1125.56 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1124.416 1130.141 1124.7 1130.141 Yeah I know what you mean , kind of like a . 1125.44 1129.7 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1126.784 1131.744 1126.784 1131.62 wait , like like this uh a bit . 1127.83 1131.62 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1135.84 1136.256 1135.86 1136.09 Yeah . 1136.09 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1138.0 1140.208 1138.02 1140.1 So it's a bit square , but it's also a bit uh 1138.98 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1141.328 1142.135 1141.35 1141.75 round . 1141.75 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1141.472 1144.72 1141.49 1144.68 Kinda like a beer glass . Yeah . 1144.48 1144.68 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1144.208 1145.184 1144.23 1145.184 So but then - TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1145.872 1146.608 1145.89 1146.47 I know what you mean . 1146.47 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1146.64 1148.064 1146.66 1148.064 Same sides . 1147.84 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1150.752 1153.472 1150.77 1153.44 It's also easy to to have to to put in your hand . 1153.44 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1150.902 1152.049 1151.23 1152.049 But that's uh - TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1153.744 1160.864 1153.76 1160.864 Yeah but that's also how other remotes are shaped , so that's uh But perhaps that's a good thing , so that's easy to use . People know the 1156.44 1158.91 1160.0 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1157.6 1158.064 1157.67 1157.83 Yeah . 1157.83 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1160.784 1165.104 1160.8 1165.04 Will recognise that's as a remote control . Uh when I saw your d Oh . 1163.2 1165.04 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1161.952 1162.224 1161.97 1162.19 Yeah . 1162.19 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1162.32 1164.974 1162.6 1164.974 Uh - TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1165.557 1184.386 1165.92 1184.14 Look something like that . Autumn colours like red , brown . They liked the wood a lot . So maybe we could give it like wooden loo look look or something in that colour . And a bit bit old school style renaissance , medieval kind of things . 1167.98 1169.73 1171.0 1172.48 1177.62 1182.55 1184.14 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1171.276 1172.0 1171.55 1171.95 Huh . 1171.95 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1172.171 1172.991 1172.41 1172.88 Mm-hmm . 1172.88 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1172.649 1173.504 1172.89 1173.42 Yeah . 1173.42 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1175.859 1176.608 1176.1 1176.42 Yeah . 1176.42 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1176.214 1178.434 1176.3 1178.434 Yeah , kinda like old cars , uh 1176.86 1177.84 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1178.044 1178.816 1178.34 1178.816 Yeah . 1178.58 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1183.488 1186.496 1183.488 1186.17 Let's put it all together . 1186.17 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1183.76 1186.752 1183.76 1186.752 Swords . 1186.08 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1185.014 1194.593 1185.11 1194.42 Those kind of Yeah , those kind of things . So you see the big difference between the young people ? Fresh , exciting . And the old people , old and boring . 1186.47 1187.75 1189.73 1190.86 1192.0 1193.6 1194.42 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1189.664 1190.473 1189.81 1190.15 Yeah . 1190.15 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1193.04 1194.96 1193.06 1194.93 But that's easily to do with the colour , I think . 1194.48 1194.93 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1195.392 1205.52 1195.42 1205.48 So Sorry ? Yeah I think it's it's easier to do in colour than in shape . Because otherwise we have to get different shapes , and colour way easier than yeah the shapes . 1197.4 1200.78 1203.4 1205.48 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1196.224 1198.016 1196.24 1197.98 That's easy to do with the colours , I think . 1197.56 1197.98 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1200.176 1200.512 1200.2 1200.47 Yeah . 1200.47 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1200.496 1200.848 1200.58 1200.81 Uh . 1200.81 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1200.732 1202.364 1200.99 1202.19 Yeah we think so too . 1202.19 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1207.056 1220.496 1207.08 1220.46 In material yeah rubber , rubber is , like I said , young people like more soft materials and spongy ones and the old people like plain wood . So we have to decide if we're going to use 1208.96 1210.24 1211.19 1217.48 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1216.522 1217.453 1216.84 1217.13 Yeah . 1217.13 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1216.676 1217.248 1216.93 1217.17 Yeah . 1217.17 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1221.616 1225.984 1221.64 1225.79 real hard rubber , or soft rubber . Or something something between that . 1222.68 1224.06 1225.79 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1224.016 1228.305 1224.04 1228.305 Yeah think uh Also in between . 1228.09 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1226.48 1227.122 1226.5 1227.01 Soft rubber . 1227.01 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1227.328 1231.882 1227.35 1231.84 Yeah soft rubber which you can you can feel in it . 1231.84 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1230.915 1232.896 1231.01 1232.85 Yeah I know what you Um . 1232.85 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1232.264 1234.56 1232.39 1234.56 I don't think you should be able to mould it , but 1234.1 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1233.104 1245.824 1233.21 1245.79 Or No . Or or wh what's something harder . No no no but but you have to like like like a a eraser or something . That's the bit you can press it in , or something harder . 1234.77 1236.67 1242.56 1244.66 1245.79 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1234.928 1237.712 1234.95 1237.39 It should shouldn't be . 1237.39 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1243.36 1243.808 1243.38 1243.77 Yeah . 1243.77 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1245.744 1246.256 1245.76 1246.1 Uh . 1246.1 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1247.648 1249.952 1247.68 1249.952 Bit like this kind of rubber . This uh 1249.35 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1249.82 1251.633 1249.93 1251.24 Yeah , something like this , yeah . 1250.27 1250.92 1251.24 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1251.648 1253.504 1251.67 1253.47 But it's quite hard , this . 1253.25 1253.47 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1253.424 1257.024 1253.6 1256.89 Yeah it's quite hard but you can press it in . It's feels kind s spongy . 1255.02 1256.89 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1254.96 1255.216 1254.98 1255.18 Yeah . 1255.18 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1257.728 1258.464 1257.83 1258.43 Spongy . 1258.43 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1259.219 1260.04 1259.37 1259.69 Hmm . 1259.69 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1260.3 1261.94 1260.64 1261.94 Something . 1261.76 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1262.56 1265.504 1262.56 1265.16 I don't think it's rubber . 1265.16 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1262.96 1263.629 1263.1 1263.23 No . 1263.23 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1265.072 1266.832 1265.41 1266.67 N n n - TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1266.864 1269.016 1266.88 1269.016 So we need a spongy feeling . 1268.95 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1268.729 1270.912 1269.07 1270.912 Uh did you have something about uh - TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1269.991 1272.8 1269.991 1272.8 Are you going to invite Sponge Bob , maybe he can 1271.9 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1270.912 1271.44 1270.93 1271.41 Yeah . 1271.41 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1273.696 1281.696 1273.72 1281.66 So we should first decide about shape , I think . Which uh Then you can fit the L_C_D_ screen in it , and can decide uh . 1275.52 1276.41 1280.63 1281.66 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1273.726 1274.24 1273.84 1274.2 Ding ding . 1274.2 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1276.016 1278.672 1276.016 1278.672 Yeah I think that's the better thing to do . 1277.96 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1283.984 1296.768 1284.49 1296.64 Um I also s uh can't help but notice that you uh used an you had a remote control and the L_C_D_ screen was uh rather small . Um . 1296.31 1296.64 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1295.792 1300.474 1295.81 1300.474 Yeah w I think that L_C_D_ screen should be like - TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1296.219 1300.592 1296.44 1300.56 Yeah it it's supposed to be bit s bit s bit Yeah . 1300.56 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1296.768 1298.998 1296.768 1298.998 .. . 1298.998 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1298.998 1302.512 1299.32 1302.28 This was your size , but I think it should be larger . 1300.7 1302.28 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1302.208 1304.481 1302.23 1304.481 Yeah three quarter of the of the - TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1303.424 1307.767 1303.44 1307.65 Yeah , three quarters . So uh so you don't have to put your oh . 1303.65 1304.69 1307.65 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1307.056 1311.232 1307.08 1311.232 Yeah the buttons won't get that small when the L_C_D_ screen is - TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1309.072 1311.162 1309.11 1311.12 Uh new , blank . 1310.48 1311.12 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1312.16 1314.816 1312.54 1314.816 So uh when you get this uh - TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1321.824 1322.832 1321.87 1322.832 Ooh - TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1324.0 1325.392 1324.02 1325.36 Uh kinda like this . 1325.36 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1326.08 1326.816 1326.11 1326.77 Mm-hmm . 1326.77 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1326.976 1332.096 1327.0 1332.06 Or should it be larger ? Larger ? Because you want to put your hands You want 1329.18 1329.59 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1326.844 1327.574 1327.1 1327.38 Yeah . 1327.38 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1328.24 1329.328 1328.26 1329.2 Larger I think . 1329.2 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1330.08 1336.657 1330.08 1336.49 But if you pu Now you can put your hand there and then you won't touch the screen . Perhaps that's best . 1335.56 1336.49 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1331.248 1332.256 1331.27 1332.256 Yeah becau because you have - TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1335.316 1338.384 1335.53 1338.25 Yeah . Your thumb here . 1337.59 1338.25 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1335.44 1337.248 1335.58 1337.21 Yeah okay , true , true , true true . 1336.01 1336.46 1336.77 1337.21 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1338.688 1343.584 1338.688 1343.55 But not on the screen because Yeah that's uh that's an idea . 1343.55 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1341.584 1341.92 1341.6 1341.89 Yeah . 1341.89 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1342.8 1343.872 1342.82 1343.67 Yeah . 1343.67 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1345.392 1347.68 1345.42 1347.68 Looks a bit like a Game Boy now . 1347.57 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1345.52 1357.488 1345.64 1357.17 Because when you put your f Yeah but if yo if you make the the L_C_D_ screen as large as the remote control itself , uh you'll you'll always get some You Yeah . Going to be very greasy and stuff . 1351.69 1355.66 1357.17 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1353.863 1355.696 1354.14 1355.66 You always touch it , yeah . 1355.44 1355.66 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1354.96 1356.697 1354.98 1356.41 Yeah yeah yeah yeah . 1356.41 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1357.408 1362.976 1357.43 1362.94 But it won't get that small because you have how much ? Nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen buttons on the screen . 1359.48 1362.94 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1363.008 1363.312 1363.04 1363.27 Yeah . 1363.27 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1364.608 1366.879 1364.63 1366.879 One to zero , the two digit , 1365.97 1366.61 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1365.322 1368.282 1365.55 1368.282 Yeah you don't want it too small . How yeah how large 1366.7 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1367.872 1374.448 1367.89 1374.2 You have to you have to Because some fat people with d thick fingers will press three buttons at same time . 1374.2 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1371.722 1378.824 1371.722 1378.72 Yeah they have thick fingers . But if you wanna make it in international , Japanese uh people got uh rather small hands 1374.55 1376.19 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1378.416 1381.072 1378.44 1381.03 Yeah true , but Yeah , we have we have the zoom option , right ? 1378.97 1379.43 1380.6 1381.03 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1379.194 1380.656 1379.21 1380.656 and we got these large - TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1381.525 1389.216 1381.92 1389.16 Zoom opt Ah yeah of course , yeah . You can make it larger to to uh to uh with accompanying uh greater fields to push the button . 1383.14 1383.67 1389.16 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1385.456 1385.68 1385.48 1385.65 Yeah . 1385.65 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1389.184 1394.624 1389.2 1394.59 Yeah . And we won't include a a pen , or something to point , hey , we we want to do it with our fingers , right ? 1389.96 1391.54 1392.65 1392.88 1394.39 1394.59 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1389.52 1389.776 1389.54 1389.74 Yeah . 1389.74 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1392.457 1394.464 1392.59 1394.43 No . Yeah . 1394.23 1394.43 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1394.56 1399.92 1394.58 1399.92 Your fingers , yeah . You don't want uh Because if you lose the pen uh if you lose the pen uh you can't use 1395.1 1395.4 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1394.895 1395.621 1395.15 1395.44 Yeah . 1395.44 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1395.431 1396.032 1395.74 1395.89 Yeah . 1395.89 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1395.603 1397.793 1395.85 1397.42 Y you could include a pen . 1397.42 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1396.316 1398.192 1396.49 1398.14 Use a pen You you c you can lose the pen . 1398.14 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1398.128 1402.176 1398.15 1402.176 Yeah but I think people want to use a remote with with their fingers because th they're used to that and - TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1400.368 1401.902 1400.39 1401.8 Yeah the fingers , yeah . 1401.32 1401.8 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1400.896 1404.352 1400.92 1404.32 Yeah o yeah , if they think it's handy to use a pen . 1402.42 1404.32 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1406.176 1414.851 1406.2 1414.74 Yeah I think this uh this is a good size for the screen . I don't know how how large the actual remote should be but a little bit like this , or something . 1408.96 1414.18 1414.74 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1413.226 1418.439 1413.68 1418.439 And maybe we have to add a tissue to remove the grease from all the fingers , huh . 1417.39 1417.49 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1416.848 1417.96 1416.848 1417.7 Yeah . 1417.7 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1417.248 1420.928 1417.27 1420.79 Yeah You can do whatever uh any uh cloth . 1420.79 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1417.14 1423.184 1417.68 1423.184 Yeah but that that can be with plain soft tissue . Yeah , you can buy those at 1421.08 1421.87 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1421.472 1429.488 1421.96 1429.44 Okay well maybe , if I can interrupt you , maybe I should uh should show some points on which we uh should take a decision . 1423.13 1424.07 1429.44 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1429.92 1430.607 1429.94 1430.33 Sure . 1430.33 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1430.608 1433.328 1430.63 1433.29 So we can discuss these points . 1433.29 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1434.594 1436.736 1434.594 1436.7 those points um - TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1437.634 1455.904 1437.95 1455.65 energy question mark . How how should we uh supply the thing with energy and how are we going to do it with separate docking station and then put in it . Uh chip on print and case . Those are points my uh coach advised me to discuss here , but I hope you have ideas about them . 1438.96 1446.66 1448.47 1452.0 1455.65 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1455.904 1460.112 1455.92 1460.04 I think energy were batteries and then uh and uh Yeah . 1460.04 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1458.569 1459.712 1458.77 1459.66 The docking station . 1459.66 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1461.095 1465.312 1461.26 1465.25 Yeah . So that's the the the first point . We already decided that on the previous meeting . 1461.56 1462.94 1465.25 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1461.888 1468.112 1461.91 1468.07 Maybe it's better to to include rechargeable batteries which you can recharge through the docking station . 1468.07 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1463.808 1464.861 1463.93 1464.861 W - TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1465.52 1465.888 1465.54 1465.84 Yeah . 1465.84 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1466.944 1467.232 1466.96 1467.19 Yeah . 1467.19 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1468.736 1470.848 1468.76 1470.81 Yeah . Just like with the telephone . 1469.51 1470.81 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1468.975 1470.672 1469.01 1470.59 So if the badg the batteries are dead - TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1469.008 1469.296 1469.04 1469.15 Mm-hmm . 1469.15 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1469.216 1469.598 1469.24 1469.48 Yeah . 1469.48 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1471.616 1472.784 1471.66 1472.784 I kinda like your - TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1471.454 1473.52 1471.79 1473.49 then you can re you can uh change them . 1473.49 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1473.808 1481.22 1473.85 1481.15 Yeah you got some uh some of those uh uh wireless uh mice ? Mouse . Computer mouse . 1479.66 1480.48 1481.15 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1479.504 1481.553 1479.52 1481.19 Yeah yeah yeah like those . 1481.19 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1482.528 1484.768 1482.55 1484.58 Kinda like those kind of batteries . 1484.58 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1483.857 1484.359 1483.98 1484.11 Yep . 1484.11 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1484.32 1489.28 1484.32 1489.28 but it should be th I think normal batteries , not not like two or two uh 1486.98 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1487.056 1493.456 1487.08 1493.42 Yeah , normal plain you No normal plain batteries you can buy at the supermarket or retail shop . Yeah . 1487.49 1493.18 1493.42 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1489.925 1490.704 1489.925 1490.67 Yeah . 1490.67 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1491.776 1492.564 1491.8 1492.42 Yeah . 1492.42 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1491.942 1494.288 1492.22 1494.16 Simple rechargeable uh batteries . 1494.16 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1493.472 1493.76 1493.49 1493.73 Yeah . 1493.73 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1498.928 1501.056 1498.97 1501.02 Um what was with the chip on print ? 1501.02 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1501.84 1503.552 1501.88 1503.552 The chip on print ? Um 1502.5 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1505.232 1513.008 1505.36 1513.008 Uh you gotta f Yeah . I think so . Chip on print with a with a simple uh a sim not a simple but a 1506.8 1507.55 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1509.312 1510.608 1510.06 1510.52 Print plate . 1510.52 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1514.064 1516.944 1514.08 1516.944 We also discussed that . Didn't we ? 1515.44 1516.33 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1516.864 1519.536 1516.9 1519.5 Yeah but how did this how does that with a L_C_D_ screen ? 1519.5 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1520.528 1521.264 1520.55 1521.22 You still have a - TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1523.392 1524.54 1523.41 1523.99 print plate . 1523.99 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1523.661 1525.872 1523.77 1525.872 Uh - TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1524.142 1526.287 1524.34 1526.2 Yeah yeah yeah . You always have a print plate . 1524.87 1526.2 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1527.2 1527.696 1527.22 1527.65 Beg your pardon ? 1527.65 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1527.952 1531.072 1527.97 1531.072 You always have a print plate , right ? Always , so 1529.02 1530.17 1530.72 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1529.296 1530.368 1529.32 1530.33 Yeah sure , of course , yeah . 1529.74 1530.16 1530.33 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1529.431 1530.149 1529.56 1529.95 Mm-hmm . 1529.95 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1532.848 1535.296 1532.87 1535.26 I dunno what w what we have to decide about that . 1535.26 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1535.712 1540.705 1535.73 1540.705 Yeah well it's a good question . It just was in there and I didn't have any information about it , but 1537.59 1540.08 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1537.648 1569.36 1537.648 1569.36 Well uh chip on print , I think what they mean uh with the regular rubber buttons that you got , uh it's always clear for the remote control when you press uh a certain button . But when you got a L_C_D_ screen , with no uh with not the buttons are not always on the same place , for example if you enlarge a button , or if you got several options uh appearing on your screen , uh the co-ordinations aren't always the same . When you got a regular button , th the button of stand-by is always on the same place and you got on the and on the 1540.06 1543.59 1548.72 1551.17 1555.73 1557.67 1561.31 1564.41 1565.84 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1548.608 1549.193 1548.65 1549.05 Mm-hmm . 1549.05 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1550.512 1551.12 1550.53 1551.07 Yeah , okay . 1550.76 1551.07 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1553.769 1554.484 1553.97 1554.484 But - TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1558.249 1559.071 1558.42 1558.95 Yeah . 1558.95 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1567.402 1576.128 1567.58 1576.09 Yeah okay , but the p print plate of L_ L_C_D_ screen is more advanced than a normal print plate , so that that's not of any discussion , I think . 1567.94 1573.41 1575.7 1576.09 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1572.72 1573.072 1572.74 1573.04 Yeah . 1573.04 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1577.136 1579.344 1577.59 1579.29 Well you need some kind of C_P_U_ , I guess . 1579.01 1579.29 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1579.648 1580.512 1579.67 1580.48 I suppose so . 1580.48 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1579.792 1583.136 1579.81 1583.136 Mm , I don't I dunno I don't think that's 1580.8 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1582.624 1584.656 1582.64 1584.656 It is a simple C_P_U_ but it doesn't - TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1583.854 1594.47 1584.1 1594.26 Yeah yeah okay but I d I I don't know if nor o s it's quite a simple L_C_D_ . Yeah , it's quite a simple L_C_D_ screen . I think they don't need that big of C_P_U_ . 1589.8 1589.99 1591.76 1594.26 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1588.232 1590.193 1588.4 1589.86 Yeah because it has to uh b - TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1593.472 1599.872 1593.52 1599.75 Yeah but it the the remote control has to know whether you're in a settings menu or just uh you just want to turn up the volume . 1599.75 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1600.016 1601.536 1600.04 1601.5 Yeah , okay , true true . 1600.3 1600.49 1601.5 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1603.168 1603.44 1603.19 1603.39 True . 1603.39 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1605.34 1608.0 1605.39 1607.96 So it has to have some kind of a - TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1609.504 1611.424 1609.66 1611.28 calculation unit or C_P_U_ - TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1612.736 1617.718 1612.76 1617.65 to know uh in which state you are and uh which button you are pressing in at the right moment . 1617.65 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1617.344 1622.192 1617.36 1622.02 Mm-hmm . Because we're projecting projecting the buttons on the L_C_D_ screen . 1617.97 1622.02 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1621.088 1621.376 1621.11 1621.34 Yeah . 1621.34 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1624.048 1634.192 1624.15 1634.192 And a touch screen makes it uh possible to uh to get the co-ordination of your finger on the screen . And the case , yeah we already discussed the case , we wanted to make it from rubber and uh 1630.61 1631.1 1632.37 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1629.04 1629.248 1629.07 1629.21 Yeah . 1629.21 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1631.785 1637.552 1631.82 1637.51 It's rubber . Yeah but but a hard rubber like this ? Or softer rubber or Yeah . 1633.51 1635.2 1637.51 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1636.191 1639.664 1636.38 1639.664 Uh hard rubber I think . That's the easy to ha uh to to uh 1637.59 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1639.175 1639.783 1639.36 1639.59 Yeah . 1639.59 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1639.856 1647.405 1639.89 1647.31 It bounces back from the floor where you throw it . Yeah yeah this in different colours ? 1643.84 1647.31 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1640.928 1644.608 1640.96 1644.45 Yeah . Yeah sure , look . 1642.29 1642.78 1644.45 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1642.464 1643.964 1642.48 1643.38 We have different colours . 1643.38 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1645.824 1651.156 1645.84 1650.95 So the shapes is something between the square shapes with round colo corners and a round shapes ? 1650.95 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1646.199 1646.643 1646.31 1646.39 D - TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1653.232 1655.114 1653.32 1654.74 No I don't think , I think 1654.2 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1656.368 1658.88 1656.39 1658.88 it's more round than square . 1658.62 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1658.848 1662.256 1659.14 1662.11 Yeah it's a bit . But I think it should be a bit longer , perhaps . 1659.97 1661.82 1662.11 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1660.176 1664.528 1660.2 1664.49 So it meets I think it meets more the young people than the older people . 1664.49 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1664.48 1666.012 1664.5 1665.78 Yeah . I think so too . 1665.05 1665.78 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1664.704 1666.16 1664.72 1666.1 Yeah . But that's what we want , . 1664.95 1666.1 1666.1 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1666.352 1668.112 1666.37 1668.08 Yeah , that's our target . Yeah . 1666.55 1667.93 1668.08 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1667.062 1667.968 1667.08 1667.88 It's our main target . 1667.88 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1668.08 1668.384 1668.1 1668.34 Yeah . 1668.34 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1668.336 1668.784 1668.38 1668.72 Mm-hmm . 1668.72 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1669.264 1670.752 1669.3 1670.65 Lower than forty years , I think 1670.24 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1673.056 1673.859 1673.09 1673.56 it was . 1673.56 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1673.184 1676.24 1673.2 1676.21 Well and how about my idea uh of making it um - TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1677.824 1678.992 1677.84 1678.95 with one single curve ? 1678.95 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1680.336 1684.628 1680.39 1684.41 Oh yeah that that I think I thought that was a quite good - TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1680.816 1681.04 1680.84 1681.01 So i - TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1682.288 1682.736 1682.31 1682.67 Yeah . 1682.67 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1684.288 1687.421 1684.31 1687.31 Because it's a gadget and you want to show it off , of course . 1686.53 1687.31 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1685.549 1686.177 1685.64 1686.04 Yeah . 1686.04 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1686.736 1689.568 1686.76 1689.568 Yeah yeah you have a fancy design , then , right away . So 1688.14 1688.6 1689.31 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1687.232 1687.488 1687.25 1687.45 Yeah . 1687.45 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1688.032 1688.336 1688.06 1688.3 Uh . 1688.3 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1689.104 1698.482 1689.12 1698.33 You can put it on your table with the L_C_D_ screen , you don't have to put it get it in your hand , you can put it next to you and then dive it in and . Yeah . 1691.73 1693.83 1698.16 1698.33 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1689.504 1691.158 1689.52 1691.07 Because it Yeah . 1691.07 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1694.912 1695.312 1694.98 1695.28 Yeah . 1695.28 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1696.224 1697.404 1696.25 1697.2 Yeah , that's a good idea . 1696.49 1697.2 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1697.488 1698.176 1697.51 1698.04 It's a lot easier . 1698.04 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1698.416 1699.6 1698.44 1699.56 Yeah , alright . 1699.26 1699.56 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1701.257 1702.155 1701.34 1702.155 So - TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1701.728 1706.912 1701.75 1706.86 So , so you got uh Did you write that down ? Uh got a single curved uh rubber 1702.37 1704.29 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1702.333 1703.331 1702.4 1703.331 Okay so - TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1702.953 1703.915 1703.08 1703.915 And then - TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1708.208 1712.624 1708.23 1712.624 f uh fancy coloured remote control . 1712.54 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1709.696 1715.84 1709.72 1715.8 You can't you You can't oh , you c you can draw it on your paper and then load it on the 1712.98 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1715.029 1715.472 1715.17 1715.44 Yeah . 1715.44 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1715.493 1718.378 1715.7 1718.378 Yeah , you can uh It's pretty easy but 1715.97 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1716.336 1720.064 1716.45 1720.064 Yeah but I wrote it down . 1719.96 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1719.984 1723.04 1720.0 1722.99 And load it on the the user the server . 1722.99 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1719.976 1720.78 1720.18 1720.78 And - TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1726.302 1734.688 1726.62 1734.65 What about the user interface , there are also some some questions uh about the concepts I think you have some ideas on that . You you showed your drawing . 1727.89 1733.49 1734.65 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1732.816 1738.32 1732.84 1738.06 Yeah , I had what I just uh I should again . 1733.18 1738.06 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1740.528 1742.368 1740.64 1742.33 I miss a few buttons , but . 1742.19 1742.33 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1744.848 1745.28 1744.89 1745.25 Well . 1745.25 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1747.28 1753.872 1747.3 1753.81 At least uh what we should also have on , I just remembered , um a menu to go back through the first uh 1749.72 1751.36 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1754.593 1760.56 1754.593 1760.56 if if you touch options , you can't go back to this uh right away now . This 1757.1 1759.87 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1754.914 1755.842 1755.15 1755.62 Mm-hmm . 1755.62 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1756.652 1757.91 1756.81 1757.72 Yeah , you have to go back . 1757.15 1757.72 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1758.428 1759.008 1758.5 1758.97 Yeah uh uh . 1758.97 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1760.848 1765.968 1760.87 1765.91 Isn't it better to have the sound and the general buttons horizontal ? 1765.91 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1767.488 1770.389 1767.51 1770.389 I don't know . I think it's 1769.02 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1768.144 1770.336 1768.16 1770.3 With the minus and the plus . I think it's 1769.42 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1771.696 1772.552 1771.72 1772.552 easier than - TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1771.646 1777.664 1771.81 1777.63 I don't know . I I thought it was uh easier to handle this way , but I don't know what they think . 1772.95 1776.21 1777.63 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1775.552 1775.744 1775.57 1775.71 Yeah . 1775.71 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1778.464 1779.936 1778.48 1779.936 Sorry ? 1779.82 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1779.628 1783.36 1779.84 1783.32 Would you like the the buttons horizontal or v vertical ? 1783.32 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1779.728 1780.064 1779.88 1780.03 Mm . 1780.03 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1783.788 1785.489 1783.94 1785.34 For sound and channel . 1785.34 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1784.601 1789.808 1784.72 1789.808 Depends on the screen . If you make the screen vertical it doesn't matter . If you make it uh in a rectangle 1785.51 1787.86 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1784.688 1784.896 1784.75 1784.78 Th - TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1790.618 1793.776 1790.91 1793.74 Right well if we make it like this , I think if you 1792.98 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1790.732 1791.536 1790.96 1791.17 Yeah . 1791.17 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1792.512 1794.08 1792.53 1794.08 I so it's it's it's it's - TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1795.2 1796.496 1795.22 1796.496 put it like this - TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1795.809 1796.48 1795.85 1796.45 Square . 1796.45 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1798.768 1802.304 1798.79 1802.304 I think it's it's easier to have it something like - TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1803.324 1807.648 1803.54 1807.61 Oh a button uh minus here , plus over here . 1806.76 1807.61 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1809.232 1811.68 1809.27 1811.65 A minus here , plus over here . 1810.89 1811.65 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1811.852 1813.504 1811.852 1813.29 Oh , okay . 1812.73 1813.29 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1813.152 1814.192 1813.17 1813.95 And on here . 1813.95 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1815.232 1815.632 1815.25 1815.6 Yeah . 1815.6 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1815.648 1818.715 1815.67 1818.67 The other buttons and on here the top . 1818.67 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1819.776 1824.512 1819.8 1824.45 The options and then you have something like uh the P_ over here , 1824.45 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1820.224 1822.699 1820.24 1822.37 Yeah . But I think I wou 1821.01 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1826.576 1828.1 1826.6 1827.79 and the sound . 1827.79 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1833.312 1841.104 1833.39 1841.07 I think that's a matter of what you're used to . I think I would put a plus and a min uh here . And then the P_ in the mid in the middle and the sound uh in the middle . 1835.1 1838.06 1841.07 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1833.464 1834.389 1833.61 1834.389 Something uh - TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1844.144 1845.408 1844.19 1845.408 Uh . 1845.36 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1844.816 1845.584 1844.84 1845.584 Something like - TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1847.808 1848.4 1847.808 1848.35 Sh - TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1850.864 1852.896 1850.89 1852.896 Take your time . 1852.59 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1858.16 1861.872 1858.18 1861.872 Plus minus plus uh - TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1861.84 1863.984 1861.84 1863.984 Almost . 1863.77 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1866.557 1867.2 1866.78 1867.1 minus . 1867.1 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1867.136 1873.056 1867.16 1873.02 Yeah but I think when you are holding it , you could press the minus and the plus and with the other finger the minus and the plus . 1868.61 1873.02 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1874.416 1877.84 1874.44 1877.75 Yeah I think you're going to s you're going to use it with one thumb . 1877.75 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1877.44 1882.496 1877.46 1882.496 Yeah but I think Yeah I don't know . Perhaps I have some examples . I don't know 1880.14 1882.03 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1880.214 1881.188 1880.34 1881.08 W - TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1881.776 1884.624 1881.8 1884.624 We'll leave that to the usability engineering then . 1884.57 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1884.336 1887.872 1884.69 1887.872 Who's the usability engineering ? She is . 1886.7 1887.69 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1886.304 1896.784 1886.32 1896.65 That's me . But I'm going to look if I've got some examples 'cause perhaps you should choose what's most often used . The 'Cause they can use that better . Yeah . 1887.64 1893.7 1896.37 1896.65 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1892.197 1893.262 1892.197 1893.14 Oh . 1893.14 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1893.808 1894.048 1893.83 1894.01 Yeah . 1894.01 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1894.128 1894.736 1894.15 1894.736 Um - TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1895.52 1896.224 1895.54 1896.14 Consistency . 1896.14 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1896.882 1901.472 1896.93 1901.38 Oh I have that those s numbers . 1901.38 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1898.408 1899.0 1898.52 1899.0 I - TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1900.442 1902.56 1900.89 1902.36 Here is our here are uh - TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1903.376 1906.448 1903.46 1906.4 Or a good watch . B 1905.49 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1904.64 1905.84 1904.68 1905.8 I don't really know . 1905.8 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1906.384 1908.256 1906.4 1908.05 Everybody's searching in his data . 1908.05 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1908.025 1909.172 1908.025 1908.86 Yeah . 1908.86 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1908.0 1916.048 1908.54 1916.01 Channel selection . Per hour one hundred and sixty eight . Volume selection four times an hour 1910.53 1913.49 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1915.52 1920.976 1915.54 1920.93 Yeah but But I mean if it's usually plus or min above each other or next to each other on a normal remote . 1920.93 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1920.0 1920.24 1920.02 1920.21 Yeah . 1920.21 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1920.896 1923.077 1920.92 1923.077 Uh - TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1921.039 1924.032 1921.22 1924.032 So not how much n not how often it's used , but 1923.42 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1924.24 1934.304 1924.29 1934.27 W what's what's usual or normal . Yes I'm looking here . But here's it's below , here also , and now here's here's next to each other . 1926.25 1927.75 1931.52 1932.53 1934.27 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1924.512 1927.008 1924.53 1926.88 Yeah , that depends on on on the remote . 1924.86 1926.88 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1929.472 1929.808 1929.49 1929.74 Uh . 1929.74 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1936.112 1937.632 1936.26 1937.632 I think it's it's a - TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1937.552 1943.299 1937.88 1943.24 I think because I have two televisions at home . One is horizontal , one is vertical , so it depends . 1940.29 1941.39 1942.03 1943.24 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1942.111 1944.145 1942.23 1944.145 Yeah it does it doesn't really matter , but 1943.84 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1942.283 1943.022 1942.5 1942.79 Yeah . 1942.79 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1944.048 1946.08 1944.07 1946.0 Yeah . Depends . 1945.24 1946.0 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1946.944 1947.516 1947.0 1947.34 Uh . 1947.34 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1951.392 1963.184 1951.41 1963.15 I think the the the volume was usually uh above each other , because you go higher and down . And the the pay the the the program is next to each other , because you would go further and back . 1955.11 1957.88 1961.63 1963.15 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1957.056 1957.952 1957.08 1957.92 Yeah , lower . 1957.64 1957.92 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1966.64 1966.912 1966.66 1966.87 True . 1966.87 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1966.832 1969.664 1966.87 1969.63 That's how it's is usually when I look here - TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1971.408 1972.304 1971.43 1972.26 Okay , um . 1971.91 1972.26 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1971.641 1972.704 1971.88 1972.67 that's what I see . 1972.67 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1974.592 1976.56 1974.62 1976.56 Let's cut to the chase . 1976.22 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1975.422 1977.584 1975.422 1977.48 It's got to change . 1977.48 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1978.56 1985.909 1978.58 1985.76 Yeah well I think we have we don't have to decide about that now how where we will put the buttons just the - TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1983.136 1983.808 1983.16 1983.77 I don't know . 1983.77 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1984.633 1986.72 1984.84 1986.67 Yeah is it is user interface . 1986.67 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1987.296 1987.584 1987.32 1987.53 Yeah . 1987.53 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 1987.76 1988.919 1987.78 1988.7 concepts . 1988.7 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 1987.984 1988.544 1988.0 1988.49 Component . 1988.49 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1989.36 1993.762 1989.39 1993.762 This concept is in the actual design , but you should know where you would place a 1991.1 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1992.848 1993.36 1992.87 1993.32 Okay , well le 1993.12 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1995.827 1996.304 1996.06 1996.26 Yeah . 1996.26 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 1997.824 1998.768 1997.85 1998.71 Interface , yeah . 1998.45 1998.71 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 1998.24 2002.16 1998.26 2002.16 And the speech uh shall we implement that ? Or uh 2001.62 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 2002.736 2006.136 2002.76 2006.03 Yeah well we just heard about the new uh technology , huh ? 2005.81 2006.03 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2004.896 2008.112 2004.92 2008.08 Yeah I think it's it's easy for that , where are you , but then it says I'm here . 2006.51 2006.95 2008.08 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2005.017 2006.201 2005.16 2006.16 Technologies , uh . 2005.79 2006.16 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2007.421 2009.974 2007.57 2009.974 Yeah . Makes it possible to 2008.88 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2008.16 2018.363 2008.18 2018.01 Yeah . But then you should also find a place You could if you do it like this you could put it in a corner or something . You can talk into the corner . Yeah . 2009.1 2015.55 2017.78 2018.01 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2009.472 2009.76 2009.5 2009.73 Yeah . 2009.73 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2015.248 2015.6 2015.32 2015.48 Mm . 2015.48 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2016.672 2017.712 2016.69 2017.63 Yeah , a microphone , yeah . 2016.78 2017.48 2017.63 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2017.549 2028.018 2017.549 2027.87 Not even necessary , because a lotta you can make a very sensitive microphone , so it makes it possible to uh just put it arou uh underneath it or on the on the bottom of the uh remote . 2019.35 2021.44 2027.87 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 2018.469 2019.162 2018.68 2018.96 Mm-hmm . 2018.96 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2027.2 2027.52 2027.22 2027.49 Yeah . 2027.49 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 2027.44 2032.656 2027.46 2032.6 Yeah maybe at the bottom where you can can hel hold it with you hand that there's also a microphone uh - TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2028.079 2028.688 2028.18 2028.688 But - TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2030.336 2031.819 2030.36 2031.73 Yeah , that's also . 2030.53 2031.73 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2030.672 2030.976 2030.69 2030.94 Yeah . 2030.94 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2033.232 2033.488 2033.26 2033.44 Right . 2033.44 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 2033.68 2034.256 2033.7 2034.22 over there . 2034.22 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2034.256 2036.288 2034.28 2036.14 So , in the middle or something . 2034.85 2036.14 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2034.691 2040.166 2034.83 2040.12 But that's not import I think that's not im very important because yeah , it doesn't matter where the microphone is . 2038.58 2040.12 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 2035.405 2036.347 2035.67 2036.21 Yeah , yeah . 2035.91 2036.21 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2039.654 2043.728 2039.654 2043.728 but you should uh decide where you want to put it . Right ? 2043.0 2043.67 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2042.08 2043.976 2042.1 2043.91 Ah okay , sure , okay , well tha 2042.6 2042.79 2043.32 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2044.8 2048.144 2044.9 2048.11 Um I think where it isn't seen - TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2045.408 2045.728 2045.43 2045.69 Underneath ? 2045.69 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2049.328 2050.233 2049.35 2050.1 the most . 2050.1 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2049.6 2053.376 2049.6 2053.33 Indeed . It shouldn't be uh very uh visible . 2051.35 2053.33 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2052.047 2053.452 2052.35 2053.22 Inside . 2053.22 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2052.12 2056.48 2052.38 2056.48 You could p you could put it in a logo of the company . 2055.89 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 2055.28 2059.331 2055.3 2058.92 Yeah . Well maybe just in the the spot you just pointed out 2055.82 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2055.398 2058.56 2055.398 2058.53 Yeah . I i between the round of the R_ . 2056.28 2058.53 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2055.44 2056.304 2055.46 2056.27 Yeah sure , why no 2055.89 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2058.592 2060.514 2058.78 2060.514 Yeah . 2060.44 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2059.776 2059.984 2059.8 2059.95 Yeah . 2059.95 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 2059.904 2067.648 2060.03 2067.61 because I think it should be in a in an important position where people can see it , because it is the the unique uh idea of our remote , huh , the the speech control . 2063.16 2066.49 2066.59 2067.61 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2067.072 2068.864 2067.09 2068.83 Yeah . So where do you want to put it ? 2067.89 2068.83 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2067.696 2068.656 2067.72 2068.55 Yeah , okay . 2068.04 2068.55 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 2069.152 2071.684 2069.17 2071.684 Well maybe where the one hand - TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2069.456 2073.266 2069.48 2073.266 Yeah but it doesn't makes it uh any more fancy because you get to see uh - TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2072.218 2077.136 2072.66 2077.09 Yeah actually it does because it you can you can find it better if you use it . 2077.09 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2072.967 2073.707 2073.31 2073.64 Yeah . 2073.64 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2077.552 2079.392 2077.57 2079.392 Yeah bu but - TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2078.272 2079.904 2078.29 2079.904 It's a way for you to uh - TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2080.064 2080.736 2080.08 2080.66 Uh . 2080.66 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2081.088 2083.6 2081.11 2083.51 So it makes more sense just 'cause other remotes don't have that . 2083.51 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2083.648 2084.736 2083.67 2084.7 Yeah , okay . 2084.31 2084.7 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 2084.864 2095.872 2084.88 2095.79 But are we talking about the button , or about the microphone ? Yeah because a microphone is very small thing , but you can make it look like it's big so as its its really an important function of the remote . 2085.94 2087.7 2090.18 2095.79 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2086.751 2088.512 2087.12 2088.47 About a microphone , there is no button . 2087.72 2088.47 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2091.68 2092.016 2091.7 2091.97 Yeah . 2091.97 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2097.931 2101.968 2097.99 2101.93 I think the left s under corner should be the best . 2101.93 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2104.112 2107.072 2104.13 2107.02 Where isn't i it isn't most in sight . 2107.02 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2107.552 2107.856 2107.57 2107.82 Yeah . 2107.82 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2109.344 2115.472 2109.37 2115.06 Okay . Well put it there . I don't mind . That doesn't doesn't really matter . 2110.28 2111.15 2113.53 2115.06 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2109.696 2110.256 2109.72 2110.08 I think . 2110.08 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2115.456 2117.664 2115.48 2117.52 No . Actually doesn't . 2116.8 2117.52 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2118.576 2120.336 2118.6 2120.3 Okay . So ? 2119.97 2120.3 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2119.328 2119.728 2119.37 2119.69 Alright . 2119.69 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2120.752 2121.568 2120.77 2121.568 Any more uh - TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 2121.808 2124.928 2121.83 2124.88 So well uh type , supplements , 2124.31 2124.88 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2125.142 2126.436 2125.36 2126.18 Interface type . 2126.18 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 2126.032 2130.417 2126.07 2130.417 anything . Yeah , well we already s discussed that , huh , the the L_C_D_ and 2126.52 2126.76 2128.97 2129.1 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2128.424 2131.976 2128.69 2131.85 The L_C_D_ yeah , uh supplements well the supplement is to yeah . 2129.73 2131.85 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2129.685 2130.516 2129.91 2130.21 Yeah . 2130.21 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2129.958 2147.488 2129.958 2147.44 I think I thought the , like you said , like scroll next to the remote isn't that handy . I think it's better to just up what you'd like to do on the screen . If you want to go back you have to back button go back , if you want to choose audio settings you press audio settings and it goes to that s sub-menu . 2132.08 2132.71 2137.15 2141.19 2143.39 2147.44 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2135.28 2135.68 2135.31 2135.64 Yeah . 2135.64 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2143.104 2143.424 2143.13 2143.39 Yeah . 2143.39 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2148.08 2150.416 2148.7 2150.416 Hey , . 2150.25 2150.25 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2152.096 2158.221 2152.18 2158.08 Um yeah . Yeah the the young people do like uh scroll uh yeah . 2154.3 2158.08 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2156.211 2161.648 2156.39 2161.52 Use the scroll . Yeah I think so too . So why not , on on side . 2157.39 2159.48 2160.6 2161.52 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2157.024 2158.174 2157.04 2158.07 Yeah ? You do like it ? 2157.4 2158.07 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2161.664 2170.736 2161.68 2170.736 Or at least Yeah I don't know if it's really the scroll , but the menu they like most , and I think you can never get through a menu great with a scroll uh 2164.57 2166.38 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2169.056 2170.108 2169.16 2170.02 Fast , yeah . 2169.77 2170.02 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2171.267 2177.552 2171.36 2177.552 Yeah I think it is is faster . Becau I think the scroll's easier if you have a lot of options , but if you don't have a lot of option then 2172.99 2176.01 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2171.477 2173.142 2171.58 2173.142 So if you've got a settings , if you 2172.52 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2175.808 2176.352 2175.83 2176.352 Yes . 2176.1 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2176.308 2180.558 2176.85 2180.45 But you have it's f uh we have five or four or something . 2180.45 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2177.472 2202.64 2177.49 2202.6 You have a lot of options , because when you use Yeah you get w when you use uh the settings menu for example to look up some uh uh some channels on your uh on your television , you should scroll scroll down uh on a menu which probably does not fit on your screen . So then it's uh very handy to to scroll down , you make just a rubber just like uh on your mouse or . Just put it on the side and it's very easy to use . 2178.38 2187.04 2193.39 2196.97 2200.5 2202.6 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2179.975 2180.564 2180.01 2180.45 Y - TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 2186.672 2187.04 2186.71 2186.99 Mm-hmm . 2186.99 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2190.08 2190.432 2190.1 2190.38 Uh-huh . 2190.38 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2192.448 2193.52 2192.47 2193.49 Yeah , okay , true . 2192.96 2193.22 2193.49 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2192.992 2193.328 2193.01 2193.29 Yeah . 2193.29 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2196.336 2196.688 2196.38 2196.64 Okay . 2196.64 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2202.704 2203.552 2202.83 2203.52 Okay , no problem . 2203.04 2203.52 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 2204.016 2211.485 2204.04 2211.485 And I think I would it would make even more fancy because you have another interesting thing on the side which you can touch and - TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2208.64 2209.76 2208.66 2209.73 Yeah , yeah . 2209.51 2209.73 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2209.431 2212.784 2209.59 2212.784 Yeah . It's also different . 2211.3 2212.61 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 2212.432 2212.688 2212.45 2212.65 Yeah . 2212.65 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2212.768 2213.12 2212.8 2213.08 Yeah . 2213.08 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2213.094 2214.032 2213.72 2213.96 Okay . 2213.96 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 2214.384 2224.848 2214.4 2224.81 Okay . Well there's our five minutes uh warning . Um any more uh questions about about the design or the user interface or different components , everyone ? 2215.61 2218.72 2224.43 2224.81 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2221.856 2222.496 2221.96 2222.46 Um . 2222.46 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2224.472 2229.888 2224.79 2229.85 No , colours are clear , shape is clear , material is clear . 2225.06 2227.25 2228.58 2229.85 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 2227.664 2229.436 2227.68 2229.34 Everybody think they can can - TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2229.808 2230.96 2229.83 2230.93 Okay , what's the standard colour ? 2229.94 2230.93 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 2230.976 2233.669 2231.0 2233.3 work for that ? Is there a standard colour ? 2232.3 2233.3 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2231.46 2235.779 2231.7 2235.779 And a standard , yeah we don't no we have different colour . How many colours are we going to 2232.2 2234.19 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2233.246 2237.488 2233.38 2237.44 I I You got you got different colours , but you should have a standard colour . 2235.74 2237.44 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2234.835 2239.015 2235.02 2238.71 You should you should have a black one because uh I think black is standard . 2238.71 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2237.824 2240.22 2237.84 2240.09 Black . Yeah , black I think is is the standard . 2238.27 2238.48 2240.09 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2238.768 2241.86 2238.79 2241.86 Black ? With the with the yellow uh 2239.82 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2240.236 2242.344 2240.47 2242.344 But if you want to be different , then uh 2241.68 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2241.232 2243.744 2241.25 2243.62 Dark grey , something like this this colour or something . 2241.64 2243.62 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2243.712 2249.765 2243.91 2249.68 Just a regular uh remote colour . And then have uh different covers uh to use . 2246.25 2249.68 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2244.888 2247.792 2244.92 2247.76 Yeah like like yeah . Or or silver . 2246.71 2247.76 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2249.12 2250.928 2249.14 2250.89 I think it's better to have silver nowadays . 2250.89 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2251.504 2252.144 2251.54 2252.11 Silver , yeah . 2251.86 2252.11 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2251.381 2252.311 2251.67 2252.14 Silver . 2252.14 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2252.112 2254.121 2252.18 2253.98 I think you see more silver than black . 2253.98 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 2252.416 2252.64 2252.44 2252.6 Yeah . 2252.6 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2253.058 2254.87 2253.08 2254.78 You see a lot of t uh silver televisions . 2254.78 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 2253.591 2258.544 2253.77 2258.544 But still silver and black are well silver is new but also traditional , so uh 2257.7 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2254.87 2256.674 2254.89 2256.674 Silver rubber . 2255.88 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2255.232 2265.312 2255.25 2265.28 Yeah the the silver black are our main colours . Yeah . I think we have silver , black and between those is like I dunno s five colours between them or something . 2257.72 2258.65 2259.51 2265.28 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 2265.232 2267.445 2265.25 2267.14 Yeah w what about a yellow thing , I mean it 2266.72 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2266.955 2268.805 2267.11 2268.805 Yeah y I think it's better to - TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2267.456 2269.543 2267.48 2269.5 Yeah yeah yeah it'll be a banana yellow , we have . 2268.83 2269.5 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 2268.783 2270.672 2269.01 2270.64 could be ugly , but it's definitely fancy . 2269.51 2270.64 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2270.219 2271.264 2270.5 2271.0 R red . 2271.0 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2270.941 2273.12 2270.941 2273.08 But yeah . 2273.08 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2271.184 2279.2 2271.2 2279.15 Yeah th yeah . That's right . But if you use uh silver , uh rubber s silver rubber isn't fancy . 2272.46 2273.25 2276.02 2279.15 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2273.04 2275.904 2273.07 2275.87 Green , wood , brown . Yeah . 2274.02 2274.6 2275.63 2275.87 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2280.496 2280.8 2280.52 2280.77 True . 2280.77 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2281.184 2288.512 2281.2 2288.46 When you use titanium , silver is fancy , but when you use silver rubber , it isn't fancy . Silver has to shine , and rubber doesn't shine . 2282.15 2282.91 2284.26 2285.97 2287.03 2288.46 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2282.901 2283.721 2283.13 2283.5 Yeah . 2283.5 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 2288.96 2289.36 2288.99 2289.3 Mm-hmm . 2289.3 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2290.096 2292.144 2290.15 2292.11 Especially when it's made of soft rubber like this . 2292.11 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2293.52 2293.872 2293.54 2293.83 Yeah . 2293.83 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2295.322 2297.68 2295.58 2297.68 You understand ? 2297.41 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2296.704 2297.44 2296.72 2297.29 Yeah , I understand . 2296.9 2297.29 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 2297.6 2300.752 2297.62 2300.752 Yeah I would think about colours like uh red , yellow , green , blue , just 2299.32 2299.73 2300.04 2300.43 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2299.466 2307.12 2299.66 2307.07 Yeah o of course . The fruity colours and the autumn colours , like red and brown , dark red and brown . 2300.71 2303.82 2305.01 2307.07 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2299.539 2300.374 2299.8 2300.15 Yeah . 2300.15 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2301.856 2303.571 2301.88 2303.53 Fruity . Fruity loops . 2302.79 2303.53 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 2301.888 2302.096 2301.91 2302.06 Yeah . 2302.06 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2301.561 2303.225 2301.92 2303.16 Just all kind of colour . 2303.16 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 2306.336 2307.968 2306.37 2307.93 Mm-hmm . Maroon . Yeah . 2307.16 2307.75 2307.93 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2307.52 2307.824 2307.54 2307.78 Yeah . 2307.78 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2309.568 2309.984 2309.59 2309.89 Okay . 2309.89 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 2310.976 2312.282 2311.0 2312.282 Okay , so 2311.41 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2311.632 2313.808 2311.74 2313.808 And and do we have to have a normal black one , or uh 2313.34 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 2314.336 2347.376 2314.36 2347.34 Who's pinging ? You are pingin Okay . I thought we Okay , so uh that wraps it up ? Everybody knows uh what to do ? Well I wrote it down here . I wrote it down here what to do um . The next meeting is once again in thirty minutes . Um here are the individual actions , and especially notice that uh the Industrial Designer and the User Interface Designer are going to work together on a prototype drawing on a smart board , and of course to all four of us uh specific instructions will be emailed by our personal coach . 2315.27 2316.54 2318.11 2320.16 2321.95 2323.75 2326.02 2328.43 2330.34 2340.08 2347.34 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2314.229 2315.032 2314.39 2315.032 Is it - TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2315.028 2316.027 2315.17 2315.82 No . 2315.82 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2316.48 2318.07 2316.5 2318.07 You ping . 2317.79 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2320.434 2320.941 2320.45 2320.71 Yeah . 2320.71 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2322.224 2326.504 2322.55 2326.18 Well not what to do . Not what to do . Look . 2323.89 2325.68 2326.18 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2322.578 2325.463 2322.72 2325.463 Well I don't know what to do , but . 2323.84 2325.07 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2328.279 2328.672 2328.3 2328.64 Okay . 2328.64 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2334.402 2335.536 2334.72 2335.536 Ooh . 2335.04 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2338.016 2338.699 2338.06 2338.59 Right . 2338.59 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2339.148 2341.232 2339.27 2341.12 S tough . 2341.12 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2339.808 2340.555 2340.07 2340.4 Yeah . 2340.4 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2344.065 2345.433 2344.33 2345.15 We'll be available . 2345.15 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2346.256 2350.48 2346.28 2350.48 But do we have to We'll work together , but do we have to stay here , or do we 2348.87 2349.86 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 2350.64 2358.464 2350.66 2358.43 Well I I'd say just wait uh for email and uh find out . I don't know . Okay well that was what I had to say , uh , 2354.26 2356.37 2358.1 2358.43 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2352.362 2353.166 2352.45 2352.88 Right . 2352.88 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2354.08 2356.0 2354.1 2356.0 Yes . Okay . 2355.27 2355.94 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2355.059 2356.945 2355.46 2356.58 Thin I think we should work . 2356.58 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2357.453 2359.04 2357.76 2358.79 Yeah I think . 2358.79 TS3005c A MTD017PM 0 2359.824 2363.664 2359.84 2363.63 final thoughts from anyone , or ? We're finished . Okay , well thank you very much . 2361.09 2362.05 2362.46 2362.81 2363.63 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2361.328 2361.696 2361.35 2361.65 No . 2361.65 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2361.624 2362.327 2361.83 2362.04 No . 2362.04 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2363.616 2363.904 2363.69 2363.85 Yeah . 2363.85 TS3005c D MTD020ME 3 2364.208 2364.995 2364.23 2364.79 Finished . 2364.79 TS3005c C MTD018ID 2 2364.704 2365.584 2364.72 2365.45 Thank you very much . 2365.45 TS3005c B FTD019UID 1 2366.016 2369.888 2366.04 2368.25 So we have to keep talking English now ? 2369.52 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1.352 2.081 1.49 1.99 Good . 1.99 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 3.416 4.216 3.48 4.216 Beep . 3.84 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 7.784 8.128 7.84 7.94 Oh . 7.94 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 8.967 9.514 9.09 9.35 What ? 9.35 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 9.161 14.766 9.28 14.64 So well uh welcome everyone . Um as you may have noticed I uh 12.41 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 11.672 11.928 11.69 11.89 Yeah . 11.89 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 15.832 31.4 15.85 31.36 created separate folders because it was uh tending to get a little busy in our uh shared project documents uh folder . I don't know if everybody uh put their own uh documents in the right folder , which is for now the detailed design meeting . 24.03 29.37 31.36 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 17.75 18.328 18.03 18.28 Yeah . 18.28 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 31.407 32.19 31.47 32.1 That's new one ? 32.1 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 32.297 33.624 32.43 33.624 We didn't make any uh - TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 32.352 32.806 32.47 32.7 Yeah . 32.7 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 33.704 37.48 33.78 37.48 Uh , we should save that one . 34.02 37.45 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 35.8 36.52 35.82 36.52 Oh in - TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 36.44 37.998 36.66 37.85 Then I'll move this one . 37.85 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 37.512 38.744 37.53 38.71 Didn't we just do that ? 38.71 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 39.048 42.671 39.07 42.6 Yeah , save in the folder . Save as project . 39.29 41.14 42.6 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 40.536 40.968 40.58 40.93 Oh . 40.93 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 42.005 52.12 42.07 51.94 Oh no , this is just one big document , so you can leave that wherever it is . And we have a evaluation left here . Okay . 42.49 43.84 48.28 51.18 51.94 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 45.448 45.88 45.47 45.85 Oh , okay . 45.56 45.85 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 47.82 49.108 47.99 48.99 Hmm hmm . 48.99 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 55.496 56.216 55.52 55.96 Agenda . 55.96 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 56.216 66.36 56.36 66.33 Well not main documents this time . Oh uh yes . I have it open myself I guess . Um well the detailed design meeting Huh ? 58.65 60.36 62.8 66.33 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 58.196 58.862 58.32 58.56 Hmm ? 58.56 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 67.4 81.048 67.42 81.01 We're finally getting somewhere hopefully . Um what are we going to do ? I've opened it already . Um I'm still going to take some minutes , and if I'm right , you two are going to give a prototype presentation ? 70.25 72.61 73.8 76.91 78.67 81.01 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 76.344 76.84 76.45 76.81 Oh , sorry . 76.56 76.81 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 81.62 83.488 81.68 83.488 We could . 83.21 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 82.152 115.4 82.17 115.34 Aren't you ? Yes , you are . And uh m did you do something with evaluation criteria ? Good . And we have a correct agenda . And uh then we have to look at something which is less nice , the finance uh aspect , whether we can afford what we have designed , and if we can we can uh commence the final part which is the production or project evaluation , how did we work together and what are the results , and how happy are we with those . Okay , well finance uh will be later . Now I'd like to give the word to you two . 82.76 83.04 83.74 88.01 88.42 90.85 94.65 96.58 99.37 105.56 108.46 110.67 111.16 113.32 115.34 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 86.742 87.626 87.08 87.59 Yep . Yep . 87.35 87.59 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 99.246 101.466 99.37 101.466 Oops . 101.3 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 115.592 115.896 115.61 115.85 Yeah . 115.85 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 115.864 116.168 115.88 116.11 Okay . 116.11 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 119.706 124.099 119.81 123.94 Get up stand up . just 'Kay . 122.27 123.94 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 120.306 126.685 120.306 126.685 Well uh we made a prototype . We first start with the overall uh 124.74 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 128.376 132.296 128.4 132.18 This is about the total remote control . We made it green . 131.52 132.18 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 128.296 128.922 128.48 128.86 View . 128.86 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 133.576 138.072 133.6 137.95 Just example colour , so uh there's one of the colours we would like to uh see in our prototype . 134.61 137.95 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 134.755 135.273 134.78 135.05 Yeah . 135.05 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 137.145 140.744 137.2 140.61 It's a fresh colour . And uh the screen light blue . 138.45 140.61 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 141.816 150.671 141.84 150.671 Oh uh this the scroll button and the microphone on the on the sides here under . And the R_ and R_ logo , it just says R_ and R_ now , but uh 147.03 148.84 150.11 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 152.458 153.098 152.5 152.96 Okay ? 152.96 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 152.935 154.862 153.03 154.862 Any questions so far ? 154.58 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 154.488 155.568 154.78 155.5 Big microphone . 155.5 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 155.821 160.458 155.821 160.35 yeah , just uh just an idea about how to m th that could also be possible . 156.49 160.35 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 156.405 157.28 156.52 157.14 Yeah . 157.14 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 158.128 158.97 158.34 158.85 Oh okay . 158.85 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 159.768 162.824 159.79 162.824 That's the place where it's going to be , not the size . 161.14 162.78 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 161.161 164.849 161.19 164.8 Uh well , it's an idea in a so . 163.12 164.8 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 161.212 162.07 161.46 161.92 Yeah . 161.92 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 164.232 167.688 164.28 167.688 Oh y you perhaps you should make it a bit big , so people know it's there and uh 166.22 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 168.632 169.368 168.66 169.33 Do not forget it . 169.33 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 169.64 170.008 169.66 170.008 Uh - TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 170.168 170.648 170.24 170.61 Mm-hmm . 170.61 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 171.176 182.344 171.2 181.94 To function it it doesn't really have to be sm uh big of course . The microphone could be just a minor uh hole uh on the left uh button . Okay um 175.16 180.72 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 174.421 176.03 174.51 175.9 Yeah , okay . Of course . 174.79 175.29 175.9 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 174.628 175.035 174.65 174.86 Hmm . 174.86 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 177.732 179.492 177.75 179.42 Mm . Mm , th yeah . 178.28 179.0 179.42 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 180.648 181.148 180.67 181.08 Small . 181.08 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 183.352 194.248 183.37 194.248 we also made some uh ideas about how uh the options menu would work . Uh using the scroll button on sides uh y uh I uh um 187.73 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 194.936 199.858 194.96 199.858 You push the scroll button and it's claps out if there's a - TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 196.104 197.376 196.12 197.24 Yeah , you push the scroll button 196.24 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 198.437 224.824 198.57 224.824 and a drop down menu or a pull out menu comes out and uh you get uh you get the options uh becoming available . For example uh T_V_ settings , uh remote settings , et cetera . So uh you can scroll down too with the scroll uh button , uh as you can see oh , it's here , just push it in , uh the menu comes out like this and uh i it all becomes visible . Um 205.54 207.27 209.51 210.72 213.82 215.85 216.39 217.71 223.92 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 207.928 209.591 207.95 209.54 Remote settings , et cetera . 208.77 209.54 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 210.472 210.744 210.5 210.71 Yeah . 210.71 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 223.417 230.904 223.47 230.87 Yeah . And you could also touch it so that it comes out , and and use the the the scroll thing as a with your fingers . 224.46 226.89 230.87 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 226.232 227.827 226.28 227.73 Yeah , that's c Yeah . 226.89 227.73 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 231.448 231.8 231.47 231.75 Indeed . 231.75 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 232.136 232.44 232.16 232.41 Yes . 232.41 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 232.936 256.894 232.96 256.6 Okay , um it's also uh nice to see that um we made a small uh menu , uh the options menu uh becoming available when pressing the uh scroll uh button , and the opportunity to use the teletext , whi which is used uh which should still be used and we think that it's uh very handy to put it uh not uh under the options menu , but in uh Yes . 233.56 238.87 243.89 245.81 255.41 256.6 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 257.64 258.84 257.66 258.84 In an apart uh - TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 258.323 258.803 258.45 258.71 Yeah . 258.71 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 259.416 261.973 259.44 261.63 So a separate button for for text , okay . 261.27 261.63 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 260.184 261.868 260.2 261.868 In a separate button , yeah . 260.94 261.58 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 260.385 264.992 260.7 264.87 Yeah . Perhaps we should use the teletext sign in p yeah . 261.56 264.87 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 264.136 272.245 264.16 272.245 A sign , yeah , just like Okay , indeed . Okay , we can uh modify that later . Okay . Would you like to make any comments about next uh 264.51 264.76 265.79 266.46 266.73 269.14 269.46 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 266.296 266.504 266.32 266.47 Yeah . 266.47 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 266.963 268.267 267.07 268.267 Forgot . 268.03 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 271.655 309.592 271.86 309.52 Uh well , this is the total interface uh that f of the L_C_D_ screen . Uh the numbers , which is pretty straight forward . We put ano an an extra button in . We can erase it , but It's the button where you can switch channels . just when you are one and you go to two , you can or if you go to five , you can go back to one with that button . Yeah , that one , yeah . It has a name . And uh uh we put that in , I thought it would be handy there . Uh this the one number or two numbers button . Below that , the page and the sound . And uh in the middle the the mute . 272.62 276.68 278.59 279.76 281.75 282.45 285.71 288.14 290.42 292.68 293.2 293.59 294.25 295.51 298.2 300.21 304.06 304.72 306.25 309.52 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 292.664 293.848 292.71 293.81 Previous page , yeah , indeed . 293.3 293.59 293.81 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 295.773 296.591 295.89 296.42 Oh my God . 296.42 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 310.632 319.768 310.65 319.7 Uh battery indicator . It's it's a bit big . And this is the uh the on off uh knop , the stand by uh knop . 312.89 316.15 318.51 319.7 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 311.439 315.4 311.439 315.03 It's quite large . 315.03 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 320.744 325.143 320.76 325.05 Or at least it should look like it . And the options uh of teletext . 322.88 325.05 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 323.695 344.104 323.77 344.05 Okay . You can see very clearly now that the uh teletext and options menu isn't uh taking uh much uh uh it's taking much part of the screen , so it's very uh when you uh when you use it , doesn't uh become irritating to see . 'Cause if you put it on the top you always get see the the options menu . 325.48 334.7 338.07 340.57 344.05 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 340.531 341.234 340.66 341.03 Huh . 341.03 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 345.272 349.533 345.29 349.533 'Cause people regularly uh read from left top to right down , so 349.23 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 349.265 349.653 349.32 349.56 Mm-hmm . 349.56 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 351.0 353.624 351.02 353.59 Yeah . Well this about it , I think . 351.57 353.19 353.59 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 354.136 355.448 354.22 355.41 Okay . Huh . 355.2 355.41 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 354.824 355.096 354.84 355.06 Yeah . 355.06 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 357.29 358.535 357.33 358.45 Thank you . Looks good . 358.06 358.45 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 357.672 362.72 357.72 362.6 I will put it back on the on the nice green . 362.6 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 361.783 364.936 361.84 364.89 And I just missed when I was typing The R_R_ stands for ? 364.89 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 365.064 370.648 365.08 370.648 That's the logo of the Yeah . It's th th right now it's only R_ R_ , but uh 367.21 369.65 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 366.301 369.852 366.36 369.852 Logo , okay . Okay well 366.54 368.16 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 371.265 372.165 371.43 371.99 Full screen . 371.99 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 372.952 378.312 373.07 378.312 I would have recognised it if it were the right colours of course . 378.09 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 373.282 374.185 373.82 374.13 Shit . 374.13 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 374.845 377.311 375.1 377.311 Yeah . Sorry . 376.19 377.19 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 375.018 377.464 375.14 377.464 Alright . 377.33 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 376.043 376.909 376.34 376.62 'Kay . 376.62 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 380.39 382.904 380.46 382.87 Okay , the evaluation criteria , huh ? 380.91 382.72 382.87 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 380.667 382.476 380.92 382.36 Oh full screen , yeah . 381.64 382.36 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 381.874 382.36 382.07 382.26 Huh . 382.26 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 382.968 384.456 382.99 384.35 Evaluation . 384.35 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 385.472 390.555 385.58 390.49 'Kay , my task was this time to put up a questionnaire 385.95 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 391.707 404.907 391.76 404.82 by which we can evaluate the design of the remote control by the questions we requirements from the of the users . My name , my job , okay . The methods . 401.61 402.13 403.09 404.11 404.82 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 403.688 406.6 403.73 406.6 My name , my job . 404.22 406.35 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 406.607 418.664 406.68 418.63 Questionnaire with seven point scale from one to seven , from true to false , like question , is remote big enough , we can say it's true or it's false by steps . 410.43 412.19 413.68 414.7 418.63 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 412.272 412.642 412.38 412.52 Right . 412.52 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 419.832 423.669 419.92 423.54 One means absolutely not true , seven means true . 422.18 423.54 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 423.739 424.109 423.92 424.07 Yeah . 424.07 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 425.656 435.768 425.68 435.73 The three important things of refa are uh from th of this year is are , is the remote control fancy enough , 434.38 435.73 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 426.299 432.28 426.299 432.28 Sorry , you used the PowerPoint 430.0 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 436.424 436.76 436.45 436.72 Yeah . 436.72 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 437.032 440.824 437.05 440.75 is it in innovative enough , and is it easy enough to use . 438.89 440.75 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 443.176 444.568 443.2 444.53 And then evaluation itself . 444.53 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 451.048 451.608 451.11 451.43 Uh . 451.43 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 452.308 454.623 452.39 454.44 What ? Bling . 454.09 454.44 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 452.383 453.14 452.56 453.03 So . 453.03 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 454.216 458.648 454.24 458.54 Okay . First question . Is the design fancy enough ? 455.51 457.04 458.54 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 455.339 455.961 455.42 455.81 Yeah . 455.81 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 459.848 460.152 459.87 460.152 Well - TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 460.142 461.528 460.16 461.49 Project Manager , what do you think ? 460.91 461.49 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 462.2 469.597 462.22 469.38 Well it's looks fancy , especially with the green colour . And the the curves which we decided , huh ? 463.84 466.05 469.24 469.38 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 463.827 464.971 463.827 464.66 Yeah . 464.66 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 465.32 466.409 465.35 466.409 But does it - TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 469.288 469.688 469.31 469.63 Yeah . 469.63 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 471.163 473.096 471.28 473.06 Only what happened to the single curve - TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 474.184 476.1 474.2 475.5 we spoke about last meeting ? 475.5 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 474.274 476.712 474.274 476.712 Now uh the single curved idea was uh - TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 474.371 476.542 474.57 476.46 It uh oh it's in the background . Oh . 476.1 476.46 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 478.28 479.896 478.3 479.896 Yeah , okay , you ge um 478.74 479.05 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 479.912 482.844 479.93 482.43 Y you should make uh a sideways uh view . 482.43 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 480.967 484.695 481.02 484.65 Yeah . The sideways view , uh that that that ma 482.21 483.18 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 483.976 487.066 484.05 487.066 It will be , I guess . Oh , we can 485.21 486.25 486.59 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 486.266 492.041 486.29 492.041 Ho not that pen . Not that pen . 487.71 491.94 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 487.872 496.069 488.0 496.069 Oh g I would smart board . Uh can I draw here or uh 493.84 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 491.672 493.672 491.69 493.672 Well it might work one time , huh . 492.81 493.55 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 496.088 496.702 496.11 496.66 Suppose so . 496.66 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 496.1 496.762 496.43 496.73 Think . 496.73 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 498.392 498.718 498.43 498.62 Ooh . 498.62 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 498.555 500.104 498.58 500.06 Ah . Oh my God , it works . 499.29 499.66 500.06 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 498.504 499.766 498.74 499.56 Yeah , yeah , you can . 499.08 499.29 499.56 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 499.438 506.545 499.47 506.46 So it would be uh something like this from the side , but with a bit of uh curve here , right ? 503.71 506.21 506.46 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 506.952 508.216 506.97 508.18 Yeah , that's the single curve indeed . 507.14 508.18 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 508.014 508.485 508.11 508.39 Yeah . 508.39 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 509.416 511.08 509.44 511.05 So if you v flip it like this . 511.05 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 511.273 511.976 511.44 511.82 Yep . 511.82 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 511.464 511.893 511.48 511.82 Okay . 511.82 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 512.12 513.326 512.14 513.12 Here's yeah . 513.12 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 512.712 533.016 512.73 533.016 That's not very i it's also uh very handy if you make a side curve way to make the the remote control very thin at the bottom uh at a bottom at a bottom . Uh make it uh rather thick on the top , because uh on the top it has uh the screen , which takes uh in some uh space , and the batteries can be located over there , so uh 522.65 524.51 527.96 529.79 532.28 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 531.848 536.328 531.87 536.29 Yeah . So you just make the back of this part a bit bigger , so that it lays a bit o 532.56 535.12 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 535.336 535.608 535.36 535.57 Yeah . 535.57 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 535.531 538.216 535.66 538.08 Isn't going to be a little bit heavy at the top ? 538.08 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 539.416 541.976 539.416 541.94 Yeah , that's a bit of problem maybe . 540.52 541.94 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 540.392 540.964 540.41 540.91 No . 540.91 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 541.896 548.712 541.92 548.712 With two batteries , the whole print plate and t and top , and if you're holding it quite a lot I think 543.06 545.44 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 544.761 545.258 544.83 545.14 Yeah . 545.14 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 546.663 551.272 546.74 551.272 I think yeah , the battery should be in here , because it's just nothing , so if you could 547.08 548.65 550.62 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 549.016 549.358 549.04 549.27 Yeah . 549.27 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 550.376 550.712 550.4 550.68 Yeah . 550.68 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 550.982 552.04 551.04 552.0 Okay , indeed . Yeah . 551.31 551.82 552.0 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 552.241 554.252 552.28 554.16 Yeah . 'Cause otherwise I think i 553.1 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 553.064 556.838 553.12 556.64 Okay , but we have to rate uh these things now ? Okay . 553.4 556.25 556.64 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 554.39 559.683 554.7 559.64 Yeah , we have to rate . Is it fancy enough ? True is one , false is seven . 554.95 555.88 557.18 558.78 559.64 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 560.984 567.096 561.0 567.06 So fancy enough means , does it comes to the younger people and the elder people . 563.6 567.06 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 567.656 572.64 567.73 572.58 I think it does . I if you don't make it green , then the elder people won't won't like it . 569.41 570.91 572.58 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 568.268 570.388 568.46 570.28 I think so . It's pretty fancy . 569.44 570.28 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 568.961 569.575 569.03 569.575 I think - TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 571.986 576.783 571.986 576.72 Yeah , I have to agree , all the colour colours don don doesn't matter that m that much now , it's only design . 572.31 572.82 575.67 576.72 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 573.534 574.348 573.534 574.25 you get th - TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 573.718 574.31 573.74 574.04 Yeah . 574.04 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 575.704 576.106 575.74 576.0 Mm-hmm . 576.0 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 577.624 578.564 577.64 578.33 I think it does . 578.33 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 578.488 578.696 578.51 578.66 Yeah . 578.66 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 579.304 579.886 579.32 579.81 And the design . 579.81 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 580.152 584.742 580.17 584.61 Well I think uh especially because of the microphone and the L_C_D_ screen also . 584.61 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 580.202 580.637 580.37 580.56 Yeah . 580.56 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 582.592 585.369 582.64 585.369 Yeah . I don't know whether older people will use it , but 583.27 585.12 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 584.742 586.296 584.81 586.296 Very new thing . Well 585.95 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 586.982 587.436 587.03 587.436 So - TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 587.352 588.935 587.37 588.84 Fancy the old people will . 588.84 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 587.624 589.432 587.64 589.4 I would make it a two or something . 589.4 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 589.672 590.04 589.69 590.0 A two ? 590.0 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 590.41 590.965 590.53 590.76 Yeah . 590.76 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 590.661 595.577 590.661 595.45 It's true , it's a one . Very fancy . 593.15 594.53 595.45 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 592.2 592.52 592.22 592.44 Huh ? 592.44 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 593.764 597.944 593.79 597.944 Alright , it's a one . Oh it's a one . 594.28 594.78 597.9 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 595.48 600.74 595.5 600.59 No , it's a two . Little bit strange we have to judge that ourselves , huh ? 595.77 598.14 600.48 600.59 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 600.705 605.687 600.8 605.687 Yeah , I n used I wouldn I should use that one , but it doesn't 601.78 604.64 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 600.935 601.373 600.98 601.18 Yeah . 601.18 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 605.704 607.714 605.72 607.714 But it's a one uh Maybe uh - TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 606.904 610.936 606.92 610.9 Okay , no it's two ? True is a one . Very true , is it very true or isn't that true ? 607.32 608.0 609.05 609.48 610.9 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 608.915 609.839 609.03 609.63 Yeah . 609.63 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 613.016 614.985 613.04 614.985 Well I'd say two on a scale - TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 613.091 614.963 613.14 614.963 Well they think it's very true , but uh 614.52 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 614.552 617.464 614.57 617.464 It's very true , because we designed it to be very fancy , so 615.11 616.89 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 614.88 615.974 614.97 615.7 Yeah , I think two . 615.13 615.7 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 618.024 618.664 618.29 618.664 Yeah , but 618.44 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 618.584 622.056 618.6 622.01 It's very fancy , I think . Have you ever seen a remote control like this ? 619.36 620.02 622.01 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 619.557 620.959 619.58 620.959 We should perhaps - TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 622.463 624.836 622.59 624.836 No , okay well , that's true . 622.96 623.3 624.72 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 623.196 624.952 623.28 624.92 No , okay , so so it's fancy . 623.4 623.69 624.92 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 623.758 624.844 623.82 624.8 That's fancy enough . 624.8 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 623.878 624.585 623.93 624.42 That not . 624.42 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 625.448 625.816 625.47 625.78 Yeah . 625.78 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 627.336 627.727 627.37 627.69 Then ? 627.69 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 627.465 631.637 627.56 631.637 Okay , one two . That doesn't matter that much , so make it a one . 627.85 628.48 629.48 631.53 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 629.273 633.032 629.4 633.0 Okay . Let's give it a two . Is it innovative ? 630.53 631.94 633.0 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 629.752 630.579 629.78 630.579 Yeah . 630.3 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 634.009 637.939 634.06 637.89 I think it is , because it has an L_C_D_ screen , a mi microphone . 635.48 636.92 637.89 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 634.323 634.836 634.34 634.72 Enough . 634.72 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 635.924 636.738 635.94 636.65 Yeah m - TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 638.44 641.738 638.53 641.62 And uh uh the scroll is rubber , so s 641.29 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 638.763 640.74 639.02 640.51 We have for the search function . 640.51 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 639.081 642.36 639.15 642.36 It's from rubber . Yeah . 641.0 642.08 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 642.339 645.63 642.41 645.57 The scroller a bit I think it's it's a one yeah . 645.57 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 642.768 645.108 642.83 645.04 Eno enough to I think . 645.04 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 643.709 645.476 643.709 645.37 It's a one I think . 645.37 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 647.048 647.336 647.07 647.3 True . 647.3 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 649.374 657.576 649.49 657.42 Also huh uh-huh the buttons , are they easy to find ? That was a big requirement of the old people . 652.17 653.64 657.42 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 657.688 659.32 657.71 659.28 Yeah , because they're right on your screen . 657.84 659.28 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 660.456 663.546 660.48 663.4 So you can use the b the the arrows . 663.4 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 665.149 665.63 665.25 665.45 Huh . 665.45 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 665.508 669.896 665.56 669.78 They're right on your screen , so I don't know where you'd search . Yeah . 666.35 669.5 669.78 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 668.024 669.536 668.04 669.536 With the ones - TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 668.477 672.188 668.73 672.14 Are all the buttons easy to find ? Not only this buttons , all the buttons . 670.61 671.44 672.14 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 671.912 674.328 671.94 674.29 Well , I think they are . 673.44 674.29 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 676.754 681.8 676.85 681.8 The options are it uh little bit harder , but if you touch the options then it's uh 678.88 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 676.838 677.393 676.94 677.34 Yeah . 677.34 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 679.951 681.558 680.0 681.44 Take a harder look , yeah , sure . 680.86 681.12 681.44 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 681.806 682.712 681.92 682.68 I think th it's - TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 682.968 686.568 682.99 686.53 It's easier than the regular uh remote control . 686.53 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 683.251 684.042 683.39 683.87 easy t - TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 686.418 694.36 686.56 694.31 Yeah , I think this is easy now . I think th I think the options buttons are not the the easiest way to to 686.75 687.69 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 686.577 688.908 686.62 688.908 Yeah , and you use these buttons the most , huh ? So 686.79 688.43 688.62 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 688.52 688.872 688.54 688.84 Yeah . 688.84 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 695.247 697.912 695.32 697.77 No they're not , but they're they're they are easy to find . 695.84 697.77 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 696.296 696.865 696.32 696.82 to handle . 696.82 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 698.588 698.872 698.65 698.84 True . 698.84 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 701.336 702.244 701.36 702.244 I would rate it a - TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 701.39 718.161 701.47 718.05 Yeah , they are a lot easier to find than uh th than on the regular remote controls where you have to uh find out what which sign or icon means on uh every button . So you have t you have to use the the the manual to understand most Yeah . 701.76 712.37 718.05 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 706.595 707.516 707.13 707.39 Oh . 707.39 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 711.176 712.848 711.2 712.63 Yeah , okay , that's true , that's true . 711.44 711.82 712.33 712.63 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 711.729 712.166 711.8 712.06 Yeah . 712.06 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 712.413 713.575 712.43 713.575 So which - TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 713.86 717.537 714.06 717.34 But that's that's vantage of L_C_D_ screen , you can have text . 716.55 717.34 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 717.734 720.461 717.79 720.43 So which number are we going to fill in ? 720.43 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 719.656 720.717 719.69 720.65 I would say yeah . 720.65 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 719.632 722.481 719.99 722.33 I think it's uh it's a two , at least . 721.88 722.33 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 721.832 722.363 721.85 722.27 Yeah . 722.27 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 724.072 725.112 724.09 725.06 Yeah , you can make it a two . 724.28 725.06 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 724.167 726.824 724.22 726.79 A two , yeah ? Two , three and what do you think ? 724.57 725.07 725.46 726.79 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 725.153 725.59 725.25 725.52 Yeah . 725.52 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 725.646 726.799 725.67 726.799 It's not perfect , but 726.46 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 726.952 728.584 726.952 728.51 I think it's a three . 728.51 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 729.336 730.944 729.39 730.83 A three ? And why is that ? 730.18 730.83 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 729.951 732.4 730.04 732.24 Okay , so we have two , two , three . 730.31 731.37 732.0 732.24 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 730.434 742.552 730.55 742.52 I personally think , because I d I don't think i maybe it's easy to use , it has to be easy to find right away . I I think if you have the button at the right , I don't think you can find the option button that easy . 731.32 734.86 737.63 739.83 742.52 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 741.384 745.304 741.4 745.27 Yeah , but you don't have t have to use the button on the right . You can touch it . Yeah . 741.49 744.01 745.01 745.27 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 743.946 745.149 743.99 745.03 You can touch it . 745.03 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 747.224 748.93 747.32 748.76 It said bo both the options . 748.76 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 747.437 749.246 747.75 749.07 You you can touch options . 749.07 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 748.086 756.661 748.27 756.56 Yeah , okay , but you have y then you have here s written option on here , the teletext button , right ? Okay , then okay , good . Then I think also two , yeah . 748.67 748.85 751.95 753.77 754.57 754.86 755.44 755.56 756.46 756.56 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 753.992 754.296 754.01 754.26 Yeah . 754.26 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 754.312 754.648 754.33 754.61 Yeah . 754.61 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 756.632 758.755 756.65 758.39 You can touch options and it's comes out . 758.39 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 757.592 759.459 757.62 759.459 A two , okay , because we have to 758.01 758.7 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 758.264 758.456 758.28 758.42 Yep . 758.42 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 758.6 759.68 758.62 759.59 A two , a two . 759.15 759.59 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 759.272 762.101 759.272 761.98 The uh the um Below . 761.98 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 760.646 762.39 760.68 762.18 It's the box below it , huh ? 761.82 762.18 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 760.872 764.072 760.91 764.02 Uh the next question the next question . Oh my God . 763.04 764.02 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 765.512 768.007 765.53 767.27 Otherwise we have two results in one question . 767.27 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 767.287 769.383 767.287 769.27 It's different . 769.27 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 768.888 770.449 768.92 769.91 Okay , next question . 769.37 769.91 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 769.412 773.232 769.57 773.07 It's easy to use , as well for younger as elderl elderly people . 770.62 773.07 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 774.344 776.344 774.38 776.26 For young people I think it's easy to use . 776.26 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 778.086 782.872 778.15 782.84 Young means sixteen to forty years . And elderly from forty eight to their death . 780.3 782.84 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 778.487 781.8 778.68 781.56 Yeah , I was uh Yeah . 778.87 781.56 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 780.28 780.876 780.3 780.79 Yeah . 780.79 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 782.387 783.362 782.43 783.362 I think it's - TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 783.032 796.568 783.05 796.52 I think it's the most useful uh remote control ever to be manufactured . Yeah , but because it has the regular uh controls , li uh as you can see in the screen now , and uh 790.48 790.66 793.72 795.85 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 787.464 791.603 787.464 790.94 In the entire mankind . 790.94 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 788.248 791.655 788.27 790.89 Okay , you're very enthusiastic about your own design , huh ? 788.53 790.78 790.89 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 789.4 791.756 789.49 791.756 Also if you're sixty years old - TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 797.816 807.32 797.84 807.32 you don't have all the other options uh always uh on your screen . So it's t I think it's really easy to use . You want these options to 803.32 805.77 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 803.528 803.848 803.55 803.8 Yeah . 803.8 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 805.893 806.701 805.97 806.63 Also - TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 806.368 808.421 806.5 808.2 As well for the for the older people ? 808.2 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 807.8 812.798 807.82 812.798 Yeah , as well as your if you're fif sixty years old , you're holding one of those things in your hand 807.98 811.08 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 808.064 808.728 808.24 808.69 Uh sure . 808.69 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 810.648 811.576 810.67 811.576 Yeah , but uh 810.76 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 812.308 816.522 812.33 816.522 Yeah , but they they don't want the uh extra options , right ? So 812.43 815.6 816.35 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 815.326 819.828 815.44 819.828 No , but we're going to th make this f for a all kind of people , so it it it has to be 815.73 818.46 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 818.358 821.208 818.41 821.1 And would it be easy for them to use the speech recognition ? 821.1 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 818.82 820.023 818.84 820.023 Yeah , okay , but so they could 819.0 819.19 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 821.672 824.152 821.81 824.12 Uh I think it is . If they read a manual . 823.2 824.12 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 824.084 826.55 824.14 826.55 Because that might Yeah . Okay , well 825.63 825.95 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 824.358 827.76 824.358 827.48 If you read the manual , always . 826.75 827.48 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 825.617 827.788 825.68 827.788 Perhaps that is one of the most uh - TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 825.742 827.72 825.742 827.72 Yeah , alright . 826.72 827.55 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 828.76 831.679 828.84 831.44 M maybe that's the most user friendly and easy to use . 831.44 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 828.328 841.544 828.96 841.5 Because it it's not it's not it's it's not uh difficult . You say you say uh record to to the to the speech recognition , then you say the question and the answer . And that's everything it does , the speech recognition . 831.66 836.76 839.28 840.7 841.5 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 828.984 830.145 829.06 830.145 Uh because a lot of - TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 832.968 834.328 832.99 834.29 Channel one , channel four , yeah . 833.57 834.01 834.29 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 843.032 847.642 843.06 847.53 Yeah , well maybe that would make it even more easy to use for them . 843.25 847.53 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 844.888 845.24 844.91 845.21 Yeah . 845.21 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 847.215 848.586 847.27 848.586 I think it would make it uh - TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 847.688 851.626 847.81 851.626 Yeah , I think it does . Because all the people who can't uh 848.03 849.64 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 849.096 849.368 849.12 849.368 So - TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 850.989 852.232 851.2 852.19 I would make it two . 852.19 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 852.563 856.008 852.67 855.71 Also two ? Not a seven for this ? 853.68 855.71 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 853.255 853.656 853.33 853.62 Yeah . 853.62 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 853.524 855.872 853.68 855.73 Uh a two . Sure , two . Oh . 854.71 854.97 855.55 855.73 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 854.926 858.104 854.926 858.07 Three ? 858.07 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 855.94 857.048 856.07 856.87 I'd say three . 856.87 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 858.808 859.976 858.83 859.94 I would also say three . 859.94 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 860.216 860.88 860.25 860.79 Oh . You ? 860.53 860.79 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 860.408 862.73 860.45 862.73 Okay , so we have three three two two or 860.65 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 862.328 862.696 862.35 862.6 Two . 862.6 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 862.958 864.326 863.21 864.326 Oh . Well 863.9 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 863.912 869.327 863.93 869.327 So what are we going to do ? Okay , a three , I see . Uh 866.52 866.92 867.32 867.92 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 865.528 869.515 865.69 869.515 Two and a half . Three ? No . 867.96 868.42 869.42 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 867.64 869.64 867.64 869.25 Give me more . 869.25 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 870.728 871.64 870.75 871.57 Another question . 871.57 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 872.006 874.054 872.08 873.87 Remotes overwhelmed with buttons . 873.87 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 873.992 874.424 874.01 874.35 No . 874.35 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 874.376 874.616 874.4 874.57 No . 874.57 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 874.936 875.454 875.01 875.13 No . 875.13 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 875.752 879.409 875.77 879.35 No , that that's that's yeah . Tha that's a one , I think , that's definitely a one . 876.02 877.26 877.97 878.38 879.35 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 876.498 878.759 876.66 878.59 But um I mean , that's definitely one . 877.42 878.59 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 878.945 880.264 878.98 880.264 That's definitely our uh - TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 879.472 883.256 879.68 883.2 Oh nee , oh seven is it ? It is . Yeah , uh the remote score . 880.12 881.08 882.07 882.35 883.2 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 881.38 882.382 881.49 882.35 No ? Oh yeah . 882.04 882.35 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 882.506 883.616 882.57 883.47 A false , yeah . 883.29 883.47 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 882.553 892.326 882.69 892.326 Yeah . Yeah , but I think you should make it one scale with with one being good and seven being bad , because otherwise we can't uh calculate anything from the results , so 883.2 883.34 887.52 891.96 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 885.55 891.44 885.62 891.24 Yeah , I think isn't , this has to be something like isn't overwhelmed . 886.4 887.61 891.24 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 888.944 890.173 888.99 890.14 It's not overwhelmed . 890.14 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 891.24 891.528 891.26 891.48 Yeah . 891.48 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 892.248 892.856 892.27 892.77 Yeah , indeed . 892.5 892.77 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 893.496 893.776 893.52 893.72 True . 893.72 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 894.376 897.034 894.4 896.99 Okay , a one , because we designed for that , huh ? 894.92 895.49 896.88 896.99 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 894.461 894.942 894.51 894.69 Yep . 894.69 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 896.394 901.245 896.69 901.16 Remote control has uh colours that different that meet different target groups . 901.16 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 899.528 900.062 899.55 900.03 Yes . 900.03 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 901.176 903.193 901.2 903.193 'Cause we make them in different colours , so that they uh 902.5 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 902.457 902.836 902.54 902.76 Yeah . 902.76 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 902.719 903.752 902.83 903.72 Yeah , is optional . 903.11 903.72 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 902.797 903.426 902.85 903.25 Yeah . 903.25 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 904.104 904.721 904.18 904.58 That's true . 904.58 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 904.222 912.004 904.29 911.91 Yeah , and I though w we had about single colours , but you can also make uh a wood colour , not just one single colour but a wood-like thing , can't you ? 904.5 906.52 908.59 911.51 911.91 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 909.683 914.808 909.77 914.7 Yeah . That it that it looks like wood , like something , yeah . Uh I think you can . 910.89 912.14 912.75 913.54 914.7 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 910.488 910.792 910.51 910.76 Huh . 910.76 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 911.955 912.83 912.05 912.74 Also with rubber ? 912.74 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 914.312 916.696 914.33 916.696 Whether it looks like wood , it isn't w it isn't wood but 915.33 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 915.889 916.781 915.94 916.61 Yeah , okay . 916.26 916.61 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 916.915 918.682 916.98 918.682 It it feels like rubber , but 918.15 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 917.816 922.66 917.84 922.66 You can make a print on rubber , can't you ? Yeah . So that's a one then , huh ? 919.18 919.95 920.84 921.63 922.47 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 919.592 919.912 919.61 919.88 Yeah . 919.88 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 920.376 920.584 920.4 920.55 Yeah ? 920.55 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 920.613 923.42 920.69 923.27 Well but then when you scratch it it does come off . 923.27 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 922.632 924.122 922.65 923.91 That's a one ? Okay . 923.62 923.91 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 923.603 925.724 923.69 925.56 Yeah , it is it is harder to 924.08 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 924.071 925.075 924.17 925.075 So that's a bit - TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 924.842 926.152 925.11 926.12 Do you have many questions ? 926.12 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 926.208 928.36 926.34 928.36 Uh I have - TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 927.427 928.042 927.51 928.042 to like - TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 929.048 930.085 929.07 930.085 Oh , okay well 929.41 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 930.407 931.989 930.47 931.989 Oh we have time . 931.72 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 930.482 931.39 930.8 931.28 Geez . 931.28 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 931.438 935.242 931.57 935.242 Yeah , but we have We also We have to get to the money . 931.95 934.64 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 932.456 935.167 932.48 935.167 We're getting paid . We're getting paid . 933.24 935.08 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 933.317 936.984 933.317 936.95 The material used is spongy , that that's uh that's a one , that's m rubber . 935.03 936.19 936.95 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 936.576 936.997 936.7 936.93 What ? 936.93 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 937.192 939.121 937.21 938.87 What spongy . 938.87 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 937.911 942.8 937.98 942.72 Yeah , yeah , it's very spongy . Oh but not it's not very spongy , because it's hard rubber . 938.43 938.66 940.27 941.6 942.72 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 939.194 939.547 939.28 939.47 Uh . 939.47 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 939.446 943.393 939.6 943.32 Yeah , I th think it's not the most spongy thing . 939.84 943.32 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 943.72 944.728 943.74 944.69 I think it's a three . 944.69 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 945.256 952.856 945.38 952.856 Yeah , it's a three , because you want to make it uh rather flexible but not too flexible , because it has a L_C_D_ screen . 945.63 946.58 950.78 952.69 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 945.405 945.926 945.51 945.87 Yeah . 945.87 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 945.853 946.544 945.91 946.41 Uh-huh , yeah . 946.26 946.41 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 948.617 949.582 948.68 949.582 Hard but - TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 950.559 953.384 950.6 953.384 Yeah . You can break it . Yeah . 951.19 952.82 953.24 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 954.766 956.079 954.86 955.94 Remote control is hard to lose . 955.94 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 955.083 958.876 955.21 958.59 Hard to lose , yeah it sh and it's easy to find . 955.97 958.59 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 956.52 958.612 956.54 958.42 Y yeah , you could you could call it . 957.1 958.42 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 957.644 967.831 957.96 967.75 Y you can't you can't lose it if you're sixty years old . If first time see the thing you didn didn't adjust uh set the microphone , and then you lose it , then you have lost it . 962.17 966.47 967.13 967.75 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 966.644 970.008 966.72 969.97 Yeah , y you can lose it , but it isn't hard to lose . 967.6 968.6 969.97 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 970.008 973.144 970.27 973.11 It isn't hard , no . I think I think this is a two , personally . 970.78 970.99 972.72 973.11 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 973.608 981.151 973.63 981.151 Two . That it's hard to lose ? Yeah , it it is there's the it's a six , you think ? 974.36 976.07 976.3 978.36 980.83 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 975.256 975.736 975.33 975.69 No . 975.69 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 976.714 977.648 976.77 977.61 Isn't hard to lose . 977.61 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 976.769 980.885 977.19 980.885 Yeah , so isn't hard to lose you . 977.41 980.67 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 978.6 980.904 978.62 980.904 Isn't hard to lose , yeah . 979.31 980.58 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 980.89 981.791 981.01 981.61 Isn't hard to lose . 981.61 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 982.12 986.712 982.14 986.712 So it's a two . Yeah , you can lose it , so I don't you can make it a three I 983.04 983.31 983.99 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 984.391 984.821 984.49 984.72 Yeah . 984.72 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 985.426 986.058 985.45 986.01 You can't lose it . 986.01 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 987.816 989.544 987.84 989.51 It does have an a built in function . 989.51 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 987.884 990.76 987.91 990.76 Or if you're you're sixty years old , your demands 990.04 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 989.566 990.5 989.64 990.29 Yeah , but a har 989.74 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 991.528 996.958 991.6 996.72 A hard to lose is good . So it should this question should be hard to lose . It's difficult to lose it . 992.88 995.52 996.72 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 993.736 994.213 993.76 994.1 Nee . 994.1 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 995.224 997.048 995.24 997.0 Hard to lose . Oh right . 996.5 997.0 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 997.363 999.004 997.43 998.82 Yeah , this this is hard to lose . 997.75 998.82 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 998.377 1003.3 998.42 1003.23 It is hard to lose . Yeah , so then this is it is almost true , so a two . 999.74 1000.0 1002.68 1003.23 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1000.792 1001.432 1000.97 1001.432 This - TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1001.754 1004.184 1001.8 1004.14 I think yeah , I think also . 1003.6 1004.14 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1001.725 1002.364 1001.86 1002.3 A two . 1002.3 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1003.357 1003.753 1003.38 1003.63 A two . 1003.63 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1003.88 1004.568 1004.08 1004.4 Two , yeah . 1004.23 1004.4 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1004.632 1004.92 1004.65 1004.86 Okay . 1004.86 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1006.039 1008.056 1006.07 1008.02 And most all because of the option to Whoa . 1008.02 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1007.358 1007.712 1007.4 1007.61 Huh ? 1007.61 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1008.36 1009.336 1008.39 1009.336 Ooh . 1009.28 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1009.768 1015.208 1009.79 1015.208 Yeah , it's okay . That happens above also . But maybe when you scroll away and back it will be normal , but 1010.18 1010.6 1012.78 1015.03 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1012.536 1012.776 1012.57 1012.74 Oh . 1012.74 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1012.696 1013.206 1012.72 1012.94 Uh . 1012.94 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1012.817 1014.34 1012.9 1014.24 Yeah ? Oh , okay . 1013.65 1013.83 1014.24 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1016.045 1019.462 1016.07 1019.16 Yep . Oh , it isn't , well okay . Remember . 1016.46 1016.78 1017.18 1018.11 1019.16 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1016.2 1016.453 1016.22 1016.41 No . 1016.41 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1016.467 1017.317 1016.56 1017.25 Oh well , it doesn't . 1016.82 1017.25 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1017.496 1020.755 1017.496 1020.68 put the cor cursor on the . 1020.68 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1019.562 1023.736 1019.562 1023.65 Okay okay okay . Remote control mainly be sold to younger people . 1021.36 1023.65 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1021.413 1021.857 1021.52 1021.71 Click . 1021.71 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1024.184 1024.541 1024.23 1024.47 True . 1024.47 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1024.303 1026.096 1024.4 1026.01 I think it will , yeah . 1025.69 1026.01 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1025.352 1026.454 1025.37 1026.31 Yeah ? True ? 1026.12 1026.31 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1025.608 1026.84 1025.63 1026.84 True . 1026.58 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1027.026 1027.624 1027.05 1027.58 Very true ? 1027.58 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1027.928 1029.544 1028.07 1029.544 Uh yeah . Uh 1028.89 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1028.108 1031.64 1028.34 1031.64 Uh well I a a two . 1031.44 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1028.76 1030.856 1028.78 1030.82 No , I don't think very true because the colours . 1029.18 1030.82 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1028.93 1029.411 1029.02 1029.17 There . 1029.17 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1032.12 1036.248 1032.15 1036.21 We have the colours . Um we have the buttons is aren't that that much . 1033.1 1036.21 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1036.568 1037.792 1036.61 1037.66 Materials , yeah . 1037.45 1037.66 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1037.557 1039.128 1037.58 1039.128 Nah , the material isn't that 1037.79 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1039.096 1040.786 1039.14 1040.75 It's it's much more younger . 1040.75 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1039.175 1042.162 1039.25 1042.05 Uh okay . So ma uh make it make it a two . 1040.57 1042.05 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1040.289 1042.904 1040.31 1042.87 So I don I think I think it's a three . 1042.87 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1043.912 1051.216 1043.93 1051.16 Well I think it's it's uh a lower number , so better because w we designed it for young people especially , didn't we ? 1046.36 1050.87 1051.16 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1049.528 1051.544 1049.56 1051.544 Yeah . I think it's a two but 1050.42 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1050.044 1050.984 1050.14 1050.984 Yeah , but I uh 1050.44 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1051.976 1058.168 1052.01 1058.168 Okay , okay . I think because yeah ? 1052.5 1053.59 1057.53 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1052.824 1053.432 1052.84 1053.38 What do you think ? 1053.38 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1054.044 1054.625 1054.11 1054.44 Questions ? 1054.44 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1054.05 1057.464 1054.19 1057.35 A two ? I think it's two . I think it's two too , two too too . 1054.4 1055.58 1056.79 1057.35 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1055.272 1055.464 1055.29 1055.4 Two . 1055.4 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1055.849 1056.478 1056.26 1056.44 Uh-huh . 1056.44 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1057.406 1060.082 1057.43 1059.91 Two two two . Let's make everything a two . 1058.67 1059.91 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1059.32 1060.246 1059.38 1060.2 In the features ? 1060.2 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1060.616 1062.883 1060.64 1062.883 Dissatisfy younger people . Um 1062.26 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1062.12 1063.849 1062.14 1063.849 Younger people . It has 1063.22 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1063.257 1064.264 1063.29 1064.19 Well perhaps not . 1064.19 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1065.213 1066.013 1065.33 1066.013 What did - TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1065.448 1069.384 1065.52 1069.33 Because younger peoples are cr critical and they wanted a lot of features on this thing . 1069.33 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1068.767 1070.669 1068.83 1070.59 Yeah . Well that it doesn't . 1069.54 1070.59 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1069.484 1083.096 1069.63 1083.06 Well , n not exactly but uh uh if it had some games on it or something like that , but it's for a remote control I think it i it would satisfy those needs . Yeah , the speech possibility , the colours . 1070.13 1075.57 1081.11 1081.3 1082.6 1083.06 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1074.129 1076.022 1074.129 1076.022 Yeah bu but - TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1079.08 1080.511 1079.1 1080.45 I think they like the speech . 1080.45 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1081.446 1084.988 1081.47 1084.63 You could call to your uh yeah , and the screen , yeah . 1083.18 1084.39 1084.63 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1081.974 1084.019 1082.11 1083.9 L_C_D_ screen and scroll . 1083.9 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1084.264 1085.624 1084.37 1085.58 Scroll options , yeah . 1085.19 1085.58 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1085.043 1090.918 1085.21 1090.79 I I think they'll be quite met with their expectations . 1090.79 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1090.308 1094.328 1090.47 1094.28 Yeah , but those are more fancy functions , not not really many features or something . 1090.56 1092.12 1094.28 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1094.914 1096.942 1094.96 1096.83 Right , that that that those are features . 1095.22 1096.83 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1095.02 1095.576 1095.11 1095.43 No . 1095.43 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1095.752 1098.482 1095.77 1098.482 It has relatively few features , with 1097.97 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1096.424 1100.876 1096.5 1100.82 It's three features , basically , the L_C_D_ touch screen is feature . 1097.94 1098.79 1100.82 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1101.432 1101.816 1101.45 1101.77 Yeah . 1101.77 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1101.925 1103.802 1101.98 1103.69 The microphone is a feature . 1103.69 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1102.142 1112.417 1102.36 1112.18 No , aren't the features the microphone's feature and that you can change the channel's feature , and that you can change the volume is feature , and that you can change the options of the remote , uh uh something like that . Yeah . 1102.5 1106.56 1108.71 1110.36 1111.95 1112.18 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1107.08 1107.476 1107.17 1107.41 Yeah . 1107.41 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1110.153 1111.054 1110.23 1110.93 Yeah , okay . 1110.57 1110.93 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1110.664 1112.061 1110.68 1112.061 Ours had other features with - TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1111.69 1116.243 1111.71 1116.0 I think yeah , and then you have the audio settings , channel setting , video settings . 1112.29 1113.65 1115.27 1116.0 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1112.92 1114.6 1112.94 1114.4 The easy volume up button . 1114.4 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1115.208 1116.314 1115.23 1116.28 Those are features . 1116.28 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1115.586 1122.015 1115.69 1121.96 Remote younger people usually use the remote control to put on the volume . Turn uh turn up the volume . 1120.82 1121.96 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1119.284 1123.464 1119.284 1123.35 Yeah yeah . So I've chos I shou I think it's it's it's a one . 1121.25 1123.35 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1124.504 1125.391 1124.52 1125.24 Enough features ? 1125.24 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1124.936 1136.6 1124.96 1136.57 Personally , yeah . I think once you've 'cause you have the channel features b uh you have the uh screen features , audio features , the you have all buttons on it which you'd like , microphone extra , L_C_D_ screen extra , scroll 1125.26 1125.39 1129.57 1130.96 1133.6 1134.72 1136.09 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1137.784 1138.712 1137.8 1138.67 thing extra . 1138.67 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1138.712 1139.095 1138.73 1139.03 Yeah . 1139.03 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1138.834 1140.472 1138.9 1140.44 Okay , you think one , what do you think ? 1139.22 1139.83 1140.44 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1141.176 1143.128 1141.2 1143.09 I think two or three . 1143.09 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1141.704 1150.605 1141.72 1150.605 You . three , yeah . I'd say three , so two it is then or 1143.15 1143.41 1144.82 1145.68 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1144.104 1144.488 1144.17 1144.44 Two . 1144.44 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1146.024 1151.56 1146.05 1151.56 Yeah . Yeah uh a two a two . Just another two . We like two . 1146.57 1149.33 1150.57 1151.13 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1146.592 1147.98 1146.77 1147.87 Make it make it a two . 1147.87 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1147.864 1149.16 1147.88 1149.16 One two three . 1149.07 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1149.112 1153.848 1149.13 1153.62 Or make it uh a fucking two . You can see the remote control is R_ and R_ . 1151.76 1153.62 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1150.488 1151.005 1150.74 1150.94 Right . 1150.94 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1153.715 1160.203 1153.78 1160.09 Yeah , there's R_ and R_ in front . Uh it's not the colour , so maybe you should make two , but it has R_ and R_ . 1154.03 1156.43 1157.33 1158.44 1160.09 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1154.035 1154.548 1154.16 1154.38 Uh . 1154.38 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1154.193 1156.191 1154.43 1155.91 Yeah . Yep . 1155.56 1155.91 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1159.847 1165.351 1159.95 1165.23 Has oh yeah , do did have nah y you have the black one . And we'll probably make also a yellow one . 1160.83 1163.66 1165.23 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1163.64 1164.014 1163.66 1163.98 Yeah . 1163.98 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1165.352 1167.397 1165.37 1167.36 Yeah , but not R_ and R_ yellow I think . 1165.97 1167.36 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1165.768 1171.682 1165.79 1171.682 Yeah . Yeah , maybe maybe two . Well m th but the logo is on on the front , so a two , yeah , that's 1166.39 1166.65 1167.34 1169.66 1171.09 1171.33 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1167.921 1168.973 1168.02 1168.92 Maybe two . 1168.92 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1168.298 1169.272 1168.4 1169.24 Okay , true , yeah . 1168.71 1168.99 1169.24 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1169.633 1171.989 1169.72 1171.989 One d on i it's the colours and the - TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1169.74 1176.922 1169.97 1176.922 X_ marks spot . And the menu is avail that is available is easy to use . 1171.88 1175.6 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1176.696 1179.256 1176.72 1179.22 I think it is , but I don't know what you think . 1177.59 1179.22 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1179.176 1190.488 1179.176 1190.45 I think it's easier to use than a regular remote control , because when you push on the options menu , you get the the the various options uh entirely explained . Entirely explained . 1181.67 1183.99 1189.28 1190.45 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1181.453 1182.766 1181.66 1182.71 Yeah , tha that's so true . 1182.01 1182.71 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1189.224 1189.942 1189.24 1189.86 Mm-hmm . 1189.86 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1191.469 1195.304 1191.52 1195.25 Instead of uh just finding out what an icon means on a button . 1195.25 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1195.528 1196.022 1195.55 1195.9 Mm-hmm . 1195.9 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1197.4 1199.176 1197.52 1199.176 Yeah , uh 1198.13 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1197.9 1205.0 1198.03 1204.96 And you can navigate easier , because wi with the you have to push the the the arrows and with a normal T_V_ uh remote . 1199.85 1204.96 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1199.384 1200.424 1199.4 1200.39 Yeah , you can navigate . 1199.74 1200.39 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1203.45 1204.004 1203.73 1203.79 Uh . 1203.79 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1205.896 1224.85 1205.92 1224.85 I think that wou that would be quite hard to learn to use it . No , I'm not not convinc . Let's go th for I think it would be a t yeah , two . Now lower . 1212.16 1212.44 1215.25 1221.07 1221.94 1224.77 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1211.177 1215.511 1211.24 1215.511 You're not satisfied , okay . Let's start over again then . 1212.02 1212.46 1214.9 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1213.141 1216.179 1213.141 1216.179 Yeah . Let's make a different remote . Well 1214.37 1215.63 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1217.992 1218.92 1218.01 1218.79 Menu . 1218.79 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1221.674 1226.302 1221.78 1226.302 A two ? We only have twos . 1223.57 1226.18 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1222.172 1223.493 1222.172 1223.3 A two . 1223.3 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1222.905 1226.344 1223.09 1226.2 Oh , well that's that's pretty good , huh ? 1223.84 1225.3 1226.2 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1225.816 1227.824 1225.84 1227.67 Oh yeah , I think so . Yeah . 1226.26 1227.43 1227.67 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1227.41 1229.986 1227.47 1229.95 Uh just twos . One three and a few ones . 1228.34 1229.95 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1227.646 1234.732 1227.9 1234.732 So okay , we have one three , a one , that that have to got up . 1228.52 1230.62 1231.09 1234.67 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1227.993 1228.918 1228.2 1228.77 And three . 1228.77 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1232.648 1233.386 1232.67 1233.34 Two threes . 1233.34 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1235.736 1242.92 1235.76 1242.89 Two two two two two . So two , yeah . The average is a two . That is quite good 1238.58 1238.91 1239.6 1241.44 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1237.318 1239.843 1237.38 1239.79 We m mostly have twos , so it's pretty good . 1239.05 1239.79 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1240.644 1240.936 1240.66 1240.89 Yeah . 1240.89 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1241.528 1242.868 1241.55 1242.868 The average . 1242.38 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1243.322 1245.763 1243.42 1245.7 Yeah . I think so too . 1244.17 1245.7 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1244.52 1245.221 1244.54 1245.14 in my opinion . 1245.14 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1244.647 1245.926 1244.76 1245.8 Yeah , I think so . 1245.23 1245.8 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1246.154 1247.156 1246.17 1247.156 That - TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1248.127 1249.331 1248.21 1249.28 We can be happy . 1249.28 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1248.168 1249.048 1248.32 1248.78 Ooh . 1248.78 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1248.926 1253.544 1249.0 1253.544 Save . 1253.33 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1251.928 1252.152 1252.02 1252.06 Ooh . 1252.06 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1252.123 1257.316 1252.123 1257.25 Yeah . What is it ? It's like a bug or something . A fly , yeah . 1253.85 1254.54 1256.42 1257.05 1257.25 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1255.182 1256.072 1255.31 1255.94 It's a fly . 1255.94 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1256.972 1257.564 1257.11 1257.38 Oh m - TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1258.577 1260.243 1258.72 1260.17 A f butterfly . 1260.17 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1260.723 1261.169 1260.85 1261.07 Top . 1261.07 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1262.572 1262.791 1262.61 1262.76 Yeah . 1262.76 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1263.952 1264.592 1264.08 1264.47 That's it . 1264.47 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1264.359 1264.847 1264.42 1264.74 Okay . 1264.74 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1265.096 1277.842 1265.17 1277.842 That was your evaluation uh show , okay , so we don't have to calculate anything because of um these results . Okay , good . Um let's see oh , it isn't asked to save but it did already 1267.96 1268.33 1272.01 1272.46 1273.62 1274.97 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1266.337 1268.631 1266.44 1268.46 Yes . 1268.46 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1268.792 1269.795 1268.792 1269.66 Sure . 1269.66 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1270.81 1273.416 1270.94 1273.38 No , it's two . The average is two . 1271.26 1272.67 1273.38 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1272.692 1274.36 1272.77 1274.13 It's good . Yeah . 1273.79 1274.13 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1276.648 1278.147 1276.67 1277.89 Yeah . Exactly . 1277.37 1277.89 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1277.336 1278.824 1277.36 1278.77 Yeah , I uh uh I uh saved it . 1277.48 1278.77 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1277.842 1278.776 1278.06 1278.776 And this - TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1278.776 1285.54 1278.8 1285.49 Everything okay . Well , the next part uh might be a little bit 1280.27 1281.03 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1286.68 1288.216 1286.81 1288.15 difficult to do - TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1289.416 1292.8 1289.44 1292.62 in a group , but I am willing to try it . 1290.38 1292.62 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1294.552 1300.6 1294.65 1300.47 Because we are going to look at the finance and I have a nice Excel sheet to do that . 1300.47 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1298.226 1298.596 1298.32 1298.56 Yeah . 1298.56 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1300.756 1304.585 1300.85 1304.585 Redesign . No . 1302.05 1304.5 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1301.861 1311.688 1301.861 1311.65 And um I'm not sure if I put it in the project folder . look on that . Um and we're going to calculate the production costs , and if they are uh under or at twelve Euro fifty , 1305.31 1305.97 1308.27 1311.65 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1308.162 1308.801 1308.25 1308.58 Yeah . 1308.58 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1313.064 1320.776 1313.08 1320.74 we're good , and if they're not we're going to uh re-design , but we have to do that uh very very quick I think , yes . Um I don't know if I 1313.85 1316.09 1318.62 1319.49 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1313.64 1314.098 1313.66 1313.95 Yeah . 1313.95 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1315.561 1318.473 1315.66 1318.42 So we're going to erase features or something . 1318.42 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1321.032 1322.248 1321.05 1322.248 Do you have the cost or uh - TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1322.158 1324.405 1322.24 1324.36 put the Excel sheet in the - TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1324.616 1330.852 1324.616 1330.852 Let's hope . We're going to be here at eight o'clock . 1327.53 1329.46 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1325.311 1326.683 1325.54 1326.58 n not in the - TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1326.648 1329.463 1326.648 1328.96 f fifty five Euros . 1328.96 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1327.589 1329.373 1327.88 1329.0 folder . I think it's 1328.22 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1330.648 1334.024 1330.68 1333.98 I think it's still in my own documents folder . 1333.98 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1334.821 1337.177 1334.88 1337.177 We're goin still going to be here at eight o'clock . 1337.05 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1336.855 1337.659 1337.2 1337.48 No . 1337.48 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1339.304 1343.153 1339.33 1343.09 I doubt it . Perhaps we've got features that don't exist in the Excel sheet . 1340.38 1343.09 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1339.338 1340.226 1339.45 1340.06 Oh shit . 1340.06 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1341.879 1344.376 1342.06 1344.34 Yeah mm yeah , maybe . 1343.84 1344.34 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1344.92 1345.784 1345.17 1345.784 So - TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1345.631 1349.747 1345.631 1349.747 No , it was in my uh my information , so uh 1347.36 1349.25 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1345.752 1353.864 1345.77 1353.81 The microphone . Yeah ? maybe you're going scrap scrap it . 1349.45 1350.91 1353.81 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1348.488 1350.6 1348.51 1350.46 Yeah . It i It wasn't too much . 1349.24 1350.46 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1350.324 1350.68 1350.39 1350.62 Yeah . 1350.62 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1351.464 1355.378 1351.72 1355.378 As well as the L_C_D_ screen . Whoa . 1353.2 1354.12 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1354.311 1367.288 1354.53 1367.25 Okay , well this is it . Um maybe I could ask one of you to uh fill it in , so that I can also uh take minutes , and uh maybe the other can uh use that thing to count uh numerous functions . 1354.83 1355.73 1358.59 1361.45 1367.25 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1354.572 1355.801 1354.78 1355.801 Well , if it doesn't work 1354.93 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1360.248 1361.827 1360.33 1361.827 I want to fill it in , but uh 1361.22 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1361.017 1361.859 1361.09 1361.78 No prob . 1361.78 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1366.08 1366.543 1366.18 1366.37 Ah . 1366.37 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1367.173 1368.897 1367.24 1368.897 But you should uh direct - TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1368.058 1370.246 1368.15 1370.01 Count it ? Li like write it be 1368.86 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1369.339 1383.357 1369.4 1383.357 Well we have to count some things and we have to think about some things . But you have to fill in this column , huh ? No , uh count uh number of functions , because for every button you have to pay and there are different screen shots , so or different different screens , so 1372.48 1374.81 1375.48 1375.81 1377.49 1380.68 1382.91 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1372.168 1374.632 1372.19 1374.632 Count it . You got Excel to count . 1372.57 1374.58 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1374.082 1375.144 1374.16 1375.144 The number of - TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1377.477 1382.635 1377.52 1382.55 Oh okay . Well I dra uh Danny , Danny , I'll do that , because I draw the uh 1378.62 1380.28 1380.89 1381.41 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1378.625 1385.8 1378.84 1385.8 Ah , okay , cool . Huh ? Yeah ? Oh , yea yeah , you design it . Um 1379.15 1380.54 1380.7 1381.45 1381.68 1381.79 1382.13 1385.1 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1383.32 1388.328 1383.34 1388.29 We've got a battery , one or t two batteries , or not ? nee one battery , with two small batteries . 1384.08 1385.16 1385.86 1387.28 1388.29 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1388.92 1389.646 1388.95 1389.55 Yeah . 1389.55 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1389.159 1394.688 1389.36 1394.31 Yeah , but it's it's more about the energy source , huh ? Do you use a hand dynamo , a battery , kinetic or solar cells ? 1389.54 1391.17 1391.47 1392.59 1393.08 1394.31 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1391.527 1398.328 1391.62 1398.2 Yeah . I would do a battery we do . Right ? A battery . One battery , right ? 1392.69 1394.43 1395.29 1396.85 1398.03 1398.2 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1394.091 1396.043 1394.14 1395.94 Solar cell . No it took a battery ? 1394.77 1395.94 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1395.18 1396.175 1395.35 1395.81 We'll wait . 1395.81 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1395.294 1397.188 1395.36 1397.04 No , no solar cell , no no no no . 1395.52 1396.42 1397.04 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1398.317 1399.242 1398.64 1399.17 Yeah . 1399.17 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1398.616 1403.064 1398.74 1403.064 No hand dynamo . Hand 1400.93 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1398.638 1399.119 1398.82 1399.06 Yeah . 1399.06 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1400.034 1405.678 1400.034 1405.53 Electronics , simple chip advanced chip , right ? 1403.75 1405.29 1405.53 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1403.036 1404.004 1403.12 1404.004 We have - TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1405.816 1409.888 1405.84 1409.74 No , we have sample speaker . But b al but we also have sample speaker , do 1406.12 1407.86 1409.62 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1406.616 1407.72 1406.64 1407.61 On advanced chip . 1407.61 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1409.704 1410.472 1409.73 1410.44 Yeah , yeah . 1410.32 1410.44 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1409.928 1412.84 1409.95 1412.81 Yeah , so this one and this one . 1410.45 1412.81 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1414.088 1418.664 1414.17 1418.61 Uh we ha we have um single what ? Are we ? Oh yay . 1417.62 1418.1 1418.61 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1414.616 1415.848 1414.64 1415.76 Oh , we already on nine . 1414.67 1415.76 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1419.064 1420.152 1419.08 1420.04 We have double curved . 1420.04 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1420.152 1421.574 1420.152 1421.51 The single . 1421.51 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1420.139 1428.302 1420.16 1428.22 Single nee single curved . Double curved was uh uh see uh ju three dimensional . But it isn't three dimensional , it isn't curved in a l 1421.84 1425.37 1426.67 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1421.656 1422.264 1421.68 1422.21 Single . 1422.21 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1426.343 1427.432 1426.49 1427.432 This one is - TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1426.581 1430.326 1426.62 1430.19 Oh the the it's not going to work uh people . We have rubber . 1429.49 1430.19 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1429.519 1433.348 1429.6 1433.23 This one is curved like this , right . It's curved like this . 1431.14 1431.94 1433.23 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1431.457 1432.576 1431.49 1432.48 I'll just fill it in . 1432.48 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1432.6 1439.48 1432.63 1439.48 No no no , single curved is like this . Uh that's the only curve you made , not th uh curved like that . That's uh 1433.08 1435.35 1436.59 1438.57 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1433.297 1434.456 1433.35 1434.36 Um rubber indeed ? 1434.36 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1435.144 1436.121 1435.16 1436.121 Yeah , bu what 1435.43 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1439.432 1446.081 1439.45 1446.01 Oh , but we have curves like it and it . There are two curves , right ? Oh , okay I understand , I understand . Rubber . 1439.61 1441.25 1441.94 1442.51 1442.66 1443.46 1445.24 1446.01 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1441.651 1442.456 1441.7 1442.3 Thirteen ? 1442.3 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1443.368 1443.752 1443.52 1443.7 Huh ? 1443.7 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1443.688 1447.448 1443.71 1447.39 With a scroll wheel , right ? Is he integrated ? No , eh ? 1444.92 1446.1 1447.05 1447.36 1447.39 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1445.508 1446.12 1445.62 1446.05 Yeah . 1446.05 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1448.758 1449.397 1448.79 1449.18 I don't know . 1449.18 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1448.766 1450.407 1448.8 1450.28 Push button . No , we don't have push button . 1449.16 1449.27 1450.28 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1448.773 1455.421 1448.9 1455.34 Yeah , we gotta integrate scroll wheel and push button , because when you push it and you w it won't just pu uh makes possible to s 1449.75 1452.31 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1454.028 1461.302 1454.2 1461.302 Oh yeah , right , we want it to it's not it's not no . Yep . Fifteen , oh , too bad . 1454.61 1454.93 1458.45 1459.08 1459.5 1460.0 1461.26 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1456.792 1458.168 1456.81 1457.83 L_C_D_ display . 1457.83 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1456.968 1458.936 1456.99 1458.64 Not going to work ? Okay . 1458.22 1458.64 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1461.688 1463.065 1461.9 1463.065 Okay um - TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1462.6 1465.983 1462.68 1465.66 Oh but with special colour we have . A special form , right ? 1464.66 1465.41 1465.66 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1465.389 1468.579 1465.47 1468.48 But now button supplements . We don't got the button supplements . 1467.16 1468.48 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1468.187 1471.896 1468.35 1471.7 Oh , we don't have any buttons , so Yeah , we need to uh 1468.49 1469.51 1471.02 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1469.689 1474.822 1469.74 1474.71 Eighteen and a half , damn . We have to lower it with six points . 1470.96 1471.88 1474.71 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1471.949 1472.392 1472.01 1472.35 Damn . 1472.35 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1475.416 1478.648 1475.44 1478.648 No , uh we have fifteen and oh , right . 1475.72 1477.79 1478.6 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1475.413 1476.044 1475.48 1476.01 Okay . 1476.01 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1476.823 1477.608 1476.99 1477.57 Twelve and half . 1477.57 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1479.922 1482.106 1479.98 1481.95 We could lose the curve . 1481.95 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1481.8 1482.534 1481.83 1482.36 Nah . 1482.36 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1482.2 1483.389 1482.27 1483.389 We could use - TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1483.464 1484.861 1483.54 1484.66 Yeah , I would lose the curve . 1483.69 1484.66 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1483.674 1487.08 1483.69 1487.02 We could lose the scroll wheel . You could make it just a regular scroll wheel . 1485.07 1487.02 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1487.304 1489.688 1487.32 1489.51 But you can't push it , so you have to tap . 1488.71 1489.51 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1488.685 1497.816 1488.8 1497.68 Yeah , if you can't push it you have to tap the the options window uh button here and then uh scroll down with the d with uh with uh the button . 1488.98 1497.68 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1497.296 1500.104 1497.37 1500.07 Yeah , alright . So normal scroll wheel ? 1497.84 1498.93 1500.07 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1498.232 1499.335 1498.25 1499.24 Yeah , I think that will be 1498.49 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1500.136 1501.631 1500.19 1501.52 our best bet . 1501.52 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1500.696 1501.688 1500.72 1501.64 Normal scroll wheel . 1501.64 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1501.625 1503.839 1501.7 1503.79 And I think we should lose the curve . 1503.79 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1502.88 1507.997 1502.98 1507.96 I think we should scrap the sample speaker . It's four pri it four units . 1505.55 1507.96 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1503.357 1504.182 1503.55 1504.182 Lose - TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1507.928 1512.288 1507.95 1512.16 Yeah , but if you would i it is a new feature , it it's something special . 1508.07 1510.51 1512.16 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1511.08 1516.903 1511.1 1516.56 Okay , so we don't exactly need the single We don't need a curve . 'S possible to lose curve . 1511.47 1515.57 1516.56 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1513.192 1514.541 1513.21 1514.48 But w d wha - TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1514.759 1517.081 1514.8 1517.081 No , the curve doesn't really 1515.8 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1515.998 1517.544 1516.06 1517.47 Curved then it will be square . 1517.47 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1518.072 1522.559 1518.09 1522.559 No , then it will won't uh stand up from the table . Then it would just 1518.37 1521.67 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1521.627 1532.996 1521.67 1532.8 Okay . Yeah , that's meant with scr uh with s curve . The curve is uh in a dimension . If you make it a flat one , s n it's no curve , you got no curves . Yeah , okay . 1523.11 1523.46 1525.29 1527.98 1529.16 1530.24 1531.87 1532.46 1532.8 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1521.609 1523.867 1521.74 1523.72 Was that does that mean to it , single curve ? 1523.16 1523.72 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1523.65 1524.096 1523.78 1524.05 Yeah . 1524.05 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1527.416 1528.487 1527.44 1528.27 Okay . 1528.27 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1528.429 1529.169 1528.55 1529.169 So - TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1530.376 1531.432 1530.4 1531.38 We would lose this one ? 1531.38 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1531.368 1534.216 1531.41 1534.15 Yeah , but tha that that only is one . 1531.6 1534.15 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1534.424 1536.136 1534.44 1536.04 Yeah , we could s yeah , a bit . 1534.57 1535.7 1536.04 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1534.584 1535.096 1534.6 1535.03 No , two . 1534.73 1535.03 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1536.424 1536.872 1536.44 1536.84 No , one . 1536.6 1536.84 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1538.376 1539.616 1538.4 1539.56 Sixteen point three . 1539.56 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1538.727 1539.661 1538.81 1539.62 Oh , okay , indeed . 1538.89 1539.24 1539.62 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1539.704 1542.136 1539.74 1542.136 So we don't Yeah , we also have to 1541.35 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1540.966 1542.094 1540.99 1542.094 So we still - TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1542.184 1545.537 1542.2 1545.537 Is it possible to make - TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1544.136 1547.215 1544.38 1547.16 Could could we do it on a regular chip on print or something ? 1547.16 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1546.952 1548.99 1546.98 1548.76 No , otherwise we don't have an L_C_D_ screen . 1547.23 1548.76 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1548.847 1551.512 1548.94 1551.512 No ? Ma y you just can't do that , or uh 1549.71 1551.21 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1549.75 1550.254 1549.84 1550.14 No . 1550.14 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1550.605 1554.703 1550.79 1554.703 And what did you change ? You changed the uh scroll wheel and 1551.79 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1552.574 1554.232 1552.62 1553.97 We changed th - TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1554.232 1556.552 1554.3 1556.52 Yeah , and the single curved to uncurved . 1554.61 1556.52 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1554.9 1556.87 1555.03 1556.71 Single curved . Flat . 1556.56 1556.71 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1556.52 1557.624 1556.54 1557.59 Oh , but it's just one 1556.73 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1557.976 1560.464 1558.0 1560.464 Yeah , so that does doesn't doesn't that mu I think 1558.32 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1559.272 1562.023 1559.32 1562.023 point , so maybe you should should uh 1559.58 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1559.366 1559.82 1559.44 1559.66 No . 1559.66 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1561.598 1564.199 1561.69 1564.199 Scrap sample speaker ? That that's uh 1563.27 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1562.963 1566.184 1563.03 1566.14 Yeah , you should you should drop the speech recognition . 1563.45 1566.14 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1563.462 1566.021 1563.57 1565.99 The sample speaker is two d wait , f s four points . 1564.95 1565.99 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1564.589 1565.588 1564.84 1565.33 Yeah , but it's t 1564.94 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1566.424 1567.42 1566.44 1567.27 Yes , four points . 1566.65 1567.27 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1567.101 1572.235 1567.17 1572.12 Yeah , but it is uh it it is a new feature , it is something special . 1567.43 1570.6 1572.12 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1567.36 1568.696 1567.53 1568.66 And then you can keep the curve . 1568.66 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1570.574 1571.407 1570.72 1571.21 Or can't you ? 1571.21 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1571.064 1573.461 1571.08 1573.461 Yeah , uh becau uh when you lose the 1571.22 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1571.551 1576.488 1571.65 1576.45 Yeah , but what what else what else uh do you want to scrap ? F You have to we have to scrap four points . 1571.79 1574.25 1576.45 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1574.808 1579.232 1574.83 1579.232 I don't know . Yeah , that's difficult . 1576.45 1577.09 1579.1 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1577.935 1578.648 1578.03 1578.5 Yeah . 1578.5 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1578.512 1581.654 1578.54 1581.55 Or make it on a hand dynamo , but I don't think that will work . 1580.04 1581.55 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1580.296 1581.544 1580.296 1581.544 Yeah . 1581.27 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1580.753 1583.048 1581.1 1582.97 Ma make it with wood instead of rubber ? 1582.97 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1583.732 1588.072 1583.82 1588.03 No , that's no . Make it w uh when you made it uh uh uh a remote control of wood ? 1584.18 1585.27 1588.03 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1585.415 1585.979 1585.54 1585.84 Uh . 1585.84 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1589.176 1592.472 1589.176 1592.44 We could make it titanium instead of rubber . 1592.44 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1589.336 1591.914 1589.336 1591.81 You don't make a remote control of Ah . 1591.81 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1589.413 1594.216 1589.72 1594.17 Yeah , it it i Yeah , it also uh it also takes one point less . 1590.11 1591.3 1594.17 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1590.386 1591.496 1590.44 1591.13 Yeah , mm-hmm . 1590.8 1591.13 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1594.136 1599.387 1594.34 1599.21 Yeah , but uh a wooden remote control only helps for uh old people we discussed , yes ? 1594.47 1599.04 1599.21 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1596.817 1599.928 1596.92 1599.89 Oh . Oh can I ask something ? What is special colour ? 1597.38 1598.81 1599.89 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1599.015 1599.494 1599.05 1599.44 Yeah . 1599.44 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1601.112 1606.76 1601.13 1606.6 Is that the wood uh wood uh this , we have to have that one too ? 1604.47 1606.6 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1603.175 1604.216 1603.28 1604.04 I think it is . 1604.04 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1604.352 1605.042 1604.42 1604.87 It isn't . 1604.87 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1605.872 1606.464 1606.02 1606.38 What ? 1606.38 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1605.982 1606.389 1606.06 1606.32 Yeah . 1606.32 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1606.272 1611.759 1606.34 1611.67 Yeah , but it's only a half . But I think the only option is to drop the uh sample speaker . 1606.72 1607.76 1611.67 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1609.234 1610.872 1609.26 1610.84 Yeah . Sample speaker . 1610.28 1610.84 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1610.746 1613.439 1610.82 1613.34 To knock the sample speaker , yeah . And sample sensor . 1611.84 1612.45 1613.34 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1613.624 1614.984 1613.64 1614.95 Th then we still have too much - TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1615.274 1617.833 1615.35 1617.75 Yeah , okay , three . Point three . 1615.76 1616.2 1616.92 1617.75 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1616.169 1617.308 1616.2 1617.308 if we use the uh - TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1616.269 1624.18 1616.43 1624.18 But m yeah , course , but What we'll have . Let's make it thirteen or fourteen . 1617.44 1617.78 1622.3 1624.11 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1619.637 1621.261 1619.71 1621.16 Yeah , we we scrap that one ? 1619.89 1621.16 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1621.661 1622.09 1621.74 1621.99 Huh ? 1621.99 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1624.399 1625.62 1624.5 1625.46 Point twelve . 1625.46 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1624.725 1628.6 1624.78 1628.6 See , a po three . We need point three . 1625.01 1627.29 1628.54 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1629.544 1631.272 1629.56 1631.272 That's a scroll wheel . 1630.89 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1630.387 1632.968 1630.55 1632.77 Uh it's a colour . Don't make it wood . 1631.93 1632.77 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1631.902 1632.685 1632.02 1632.64 A colour . 1632.64 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1633.688 1636.6 1633.71 1636.53 Yeah , but a wood we can make it brown , dark brown , not wood . 1633.96 1635.59 1636.16 1636.53 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1634.52 1635.319 1634.54 1635.319 Make it uh - TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1636.904 1639.016 1636.92 1638.92 Yeah , but it's it's special colour , is it 1637.46 1638.57 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1640.28 1642.008 1640.3 1641.97 Yeah , special colours , fruity colours . 1640.42 1641.2 1641.97 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1640.352 1643.624 1640.37 1643.624 a all kind of colours ? It's also green or uh 1642.07 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1642.86 1646.933 1642.98 1646.933 Is it also no that that's just normal colour fruit colours . Normal colours , yellow 1645.69 1646.27 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1643.946 1644.28 1644.01 1644.23 Yeah . 1644.23 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1645.68 1652.555 1645.72 1652.51 Yeah , but it's a special colour than just rubber colour . You have to add something to the rubber to make it green . You don't say here's green rubber . 1645.85 1648.55 1651.14 1652.51 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1650.376 1650.904 1650.47 1650.86 Yeah . 1650.86 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1654.438 1657.288 1654.51 1657.22 They don't sell green rubber plants . Alright . 1656.99 1657.22 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1654.552 1658.28 1654.73 1658.19 Yeah , but then I d I don't think we can ever make to a twelve and half . 1654.88 1658.19 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1658.744 1660.965 1658.79 1660.965 Yeah , you can , you should you have to lose 1658.93 1659.31 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1660.416 1664.254 1660.51 1664.13 But then we have to scrap L_C_D_ display , we have to scrap uh 1662.8 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1664.344 1666.216 1664.39 1666.18 No , it is the scroll wheel , I guess . 1664.52 1665.63 1666.18 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1664.728 1665.734 1664.75 1665.64 No no no . 1665.64 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1664.768 1665.988 1664.8 1665.73 s advanced chip . 1665.73 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1666.968 1671.684 1666.99 1671.51 No then we have to scrap everything we got because how many colours we gonna make ? Five ? Then we have two . 1670.16 1670.95 1671.51 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1670.551 1677.393 1670.61 1677.32 If we lose the scroll wheel and make it totally uh depending uh dependent on uh the touch screen - TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1676.16 1677.178 1676.33 1676.87 S touch . 1676.87 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1676.482 1677.464 1676.55 1677.43 A push , yeah . 1677.1 1677.43 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1678.137 1682.728 1678.137 1682.69 then it's possible to make . And then you can and then you can add to the colours . 1679.84 1682.69 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1679.504 1683.881 1679.58 1683.83 Then we can make add two colours on it . Yeah , two colours it . 1682.67 1682.81 1683.83 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1684.204 1690.457 1684.26 1690.457 Special c Okay , if you lose uh if you lose the 1685.71 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1685.16 1685.876 1685.18 1685.8 Switch colours . 1685.8 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1689.673 1692.136 1689.83 1692.136 It was such a great idea . 1691.8 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1692.611 1699.806 1692.68 1699.69 You lose this one , you got eleven point five and you make i and then you can make uh the spec single curve , for example . 1693.42 1698.81 1699.69 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1692.806 1694.245 1692.87 1694.01 They can add two colours . 1694.01 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1699.021 1703.431 1699.13 1703.29 But the colours . Um how ma uh the colours like l she told , 1700.42 1703.29 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1704.536 1706.984 1704.58 1706.984 is that all the colours we add or - TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1707.98 1713.185 1708.07 1713.03 How d uh uh how many colours ? Special colours , all the colours you want , because you want to make p 1709.9 1710.7 1711.93 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1708.94 1709.56 1708.97 1709.52 What do you mean ? 1709.52 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1711.846 1717.257 1711.97 1717.15 Yeah , but we we we are we have yellow , red , uh black , titanium . 1712.09 1714.91 1715.89 1716.42 1717.15 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1716.705 1720.136 1716.73 1720.06 Yeah , but uh when you use more than one colour , it's a special colour . 1716.88 1719.02 1720.06 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1720.114 1720.776 1720.17 1720.74 Ah okay . 1720.74 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1720.041 1726.269 1720.19 1726.06 Oh . But I think when you use the colour that's not originally the rubber then you use special colour , 'cause you have to add it . 1720.87 1725.23 1726.06 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1721.239 1721.828 1721.26 1721.78 I suppose . 1721.78 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1725.385 1725.907 1725.48 1725.78 Yeah . 1725.78 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1725.65 1727.272 1725.71 1727.24 Yeah , but the rubbers alls original black . 1725.84 1727.24 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1727.72 1732.933 1727.74 1732.86 Yeah , so you always lose the special colour . You co you could make it always black , like normal remote . 1727.97 1729.58 1731.81 1732.86 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1729.86 1730.345 1729.94 1730.16 Yeah b - TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1731.474 1737.306 1731.51 1737.12 Yeah , but we're gonna make it yellow uh red , and then you add you have two special colours on top of the one we have now . 1731.71 1733.53 1737.12 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1736.524 1739.416 1736.64 1739.38 Nee we we also want to make ano another colour . 1739.38 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1737.908 1744.228 1738.05 1744.09 Oh right , yeah . Yeah , we should u Yeah . We have to make this like four or five or something . That's what it means . 1738.88 1739.64 1739.83 1740.86 1743.49 1744.09 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1739.628 1740.318 1739.66 1740.18 Yeah , but m 1739.85 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1742.331 1744.92 1742.4 1744.89 Yeah , because we have more colours than only black . 1743.44 1744.89 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1745.126 1748.155 1745.19 1748.06 Yeah , but isn't it per remote that you pay ? 1745.31 1748.06 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1745.14 1745.603 1745.22 1745.54 Yeah . 1745.54 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1746.159 1749.946 1746.21 1749.946 I then I think I p I don I don't think they me mean they're special - TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1748.963 1752.161 1749.06 1752.07 Oh right , yeah . Is it per remote ? Yeah . 1749.58 1750.24 1751.71 1752.07 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1749.133 1749.722 1749.25 1749.58 Half ? 1749.58 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1751.479 1756.023 1751.54 1755.84 I think you pay half per remote . So each remote with a special colour . 1753.93 1755.84 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1753.4 1757.208 1753.42 1757.17 Yeah , that's right , and you one colour per remote . So then it is one . 1753.56 1753.94 1756.35 1757.17 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1755.688 1762.792 1755.71 1762.76 Yeah , indeed , yeah . You don't need four of those uh four of those special colours in one in one remote . 1756.01 1756.56 1757.16 1762.76 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1759.903 1761.057 1760.01 1760.92 Yeah , okay okay , true . 1760.3 1760.74 1760.92 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1761.896 1762.513 1761.92 1762.34 True , true . 1762.08 1762.34 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1763.0 1763.703 1763.16 1763.46 No . 1763.46 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1764.744 1765.839 1764.83 1765.839 I hope . 1765.2 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1764.744 1767.908 1764.85 1767.86 We have two points spare . Nee one point . 1767.26 1767.86 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1767.128 1770.84 1767.15 1770.81 So the battery , we have um advanced chip on print . 1768.09 1770.81 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1768.018 1768.647 1768.13 1768.5 One . 1768.5 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1772.12 1774.935 1772.14 1774.51 So it would be curved , single curve . 1773.74 1774.51 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1774.264 1778.264 1774.28 1778.23 Because of thing Yeah , well you can at least make it curved again . 1776.45 1778.23 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1775.496 1775.91 1775.52 1775.83 Or not ? 1775.83 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1776.306 1776.896 1776.55 1776.75 Hmm . 1776.75 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1778.314 1780.92 1778.38 1780.92 So y you just can't make a nice remote . 1780.88 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1778.385 1779.311 1778.46 1779.21 Yeah , single curve . 1778.61 1779.21 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1782.6 1784.12 1782.62 1784.0 Because that was very important , huh ? 1783.77 1784.0 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1782.995 1784.728 1783.05 1784.69 It's too bad for the speaker . 1784.69 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1784.776 1789.962 1784.81 1789.83 So it's curved , it's still that so we we dropped the speech recognition together with the speaker . 1785.97 1789.83 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1788.648 1794.647 1788.67 1794.647 Should we change that tha that that's a one if not , or not ? Could you copy it ? And make it uh 1791.54 1792.64 1793.58 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1788.576 1789.316 1788.78 1789.14 Mm yep . 1789.14 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1791.208 1792.831 1791.58 1792.75 We dropped the scroll wheel . 1792.75 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1793.715 1795.0 1793.8 1794.96 And the rest is the same , huh ? 1794.77 1794.96 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1796.159 1800.224 1796.26 1800.07 Y yea the scroll wheel is dropped . 1800.07 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1796.184 1797.664 1796.39 1797.45 Am I right ? Yes . 1796.87 1797.45 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1799.007 1800.527 1799.13 1800.527 The entire uh - TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1801.048 1802.605 1801.08 1802.54 Uh . Huh . 1802.2 1802.54 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1801.445 1802.074 1801.62 1801.9 Yep . 1801.9 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1803.64 1805.624 1803.66 1805.59 Perhaps you can then copy page or so . 1805.59 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1806.824 1807.256 1807.03 1807.2 Ooh . 1807.2 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1817.416 1821.352 1817.44 1821.352 No . Oh you you made the entire could you 1818.69 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1818.552 1819.384 1818.58 1819.35 Okay . 1819.35 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1820.944 1823.432 1821.0 1823.36 Undo , undo . Undo . 1821.62 1822.9 1823.36 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1824.52 1826.114 1824.54 1825.76 Oh not Well . 1825.76 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1826.92 1828.36 1826.94 1828.33 So , 'kay . Twenty minutes ? 1827.62 1827.95 1828.33 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1827.988 1828.765 1828.21 1828.67 Would you ? 1828.67 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1829.672 1836.232 1829.71 1836.2 By the Perhaps you can save this one , and then copy or something . Add it copy page . 1833.04 1834.94 1836.2 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1839.028 1840.072 1839.05 1839.85 Select all . 1839.85 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1840.168 1840.92 1840.19 1840.87 No , but you c yeah . 1840.33 1840.87 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1842.392 1844.287 1842.41 1844.0 Alright , something went wrong . 1843.25 1844.0 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1850.665 1851.053 1850.81 1850.98 Tap . 1850.98 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1853.432 1856.744 1853.45 1856.744 Okay , but this this new remote we can afford . 1853.71 1856.51 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1855.188 1857.272 1855.29 1857.14 It doesn't work . Let's forget . 1856.7 1857.14 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1857.192 1858.047 1857.21 1858.0 It should've work . 1858.0 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1858.34 1867.4 1858.45 1867.4 Okay , so you had this list at start ? Alright . When did you receive this list ? Ah okay . 1858.91 1861.92 1862.66 1864.4 1866.92 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1861.841 1864.472 1861.92 1864.41 Hmm ? No , I hadn't . I just received it . 1862.38 1862.7 1863.59 1864.41 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1865.272 1867.452 1865.272 1867.452 Yeah . Oh ignore that . 1866.59 1867.24 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1866.79 1869.508 1866.92 1869.508 They don't work so hard at the finance department . 1868.77 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1868.537 1872.136 1868.61 1872.136 Ah okay . I suppose this is a 1869.51 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1868.652 1871.433 1868.652 1871.433 Well , so 1870.71 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1873.128 1876.072 1873.15 1876.02 Okay , so we lose the scroll wheel , the s 1873.45 1875.85 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1873.439 1874.29 1873.6 1873.98 Too bad . 1873.98 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1875.432 1877.19 1875.45 1877.15 Yeah . The microphone . 1876.25 1877.15 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1878.376 1879.192 1878.44 1879.13 Yeah , and that's it . 1878.65 1879.13 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1879.307 1883.816 1879.56 1883.816 Yeah . A and we changed something , I guess , or not ? We 1880.33 1881.92 1882.32 1883.36 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1879.562 1880.536 1879.66 1880.49 And the microphone . 1880.49 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1885.768 1886.2 1885.81 1886.17 Oh no . 1886.17 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1887.416 1887.897 1887.45 1887.69 Yep . 1887.69 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1888.445 1889.048 1888.55 1889.0 Okay . 1889.0 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1889.352 1894.655 1889.38 1894.61 Twelve Euro fifty . Um and did you try to make a new design , or what were you trying to do ? 1890.55 1892.86 1894.61 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1893.608 1895.608 1893.63 1895.56 Yeah , I tried to copy that one , but it didn't work . 1893.8 1894.8 1895.56 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1895.544 1896.536 1895.61 1896.45 It didn't work . 1896.45 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1896.712 1900.612 1896.73 1900.612 So we could fix it like tha that it's like this . 1900.55 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1899.416 1901.214 1899.52 1901.11 Hmm . Strange . 1900.46 1901.11 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1901.368 1904.024 1901.39 1904.024 You could select it all , but then you can't erase . 1902.63 1903.63 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1902.52 1903.214 1902.84 1903.07 Strange . 1903.07 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1905.064 1906.318 1905.08 1906.318 Oh , you can arrange 1905.48 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1905.544 1907.56 1905.56 1907.51 You can only re erase ? Oh . 1907.22 1907.51 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1906.584 1912.39 1906.6 1912.3 Erase . When you saw th li uh Earlier when we selected it , w I couldn't erase anything . 1907.84 1910.61 1912.3 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1910.84 1912.616 1910.86 1912.53 Uh , no . 1912.25 1912.53 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1914.2 1916.216 1914.27 1916.18 Hmm , can't you then just say copy ? 1914.59 1916.18 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1917.768 1918.376 1917.81 1918.3 Bling . 1918.3 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1918.382 1919.608 1918.48 1919.57 New page . 1919.57 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1921.64 1923.211 1921.66 1923.17 Paste . Yes . 1922.51 1923.17 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1922.632 1922.904 1922.66 1922.86 Ah . 1922.86 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1926.056 1929.832 1926.056 1929.832 Select none . 1929.64 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1929.824 1931.768 1929.824 1931.65 just tap somewhere . 1931.65 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1930.12 1931.693 1930.14 1931.58 Just tap somewhere . 1931.58 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1930.165 1934.937 1930.165 1934.88 just up somewhere b uh besides it , right . 1932.21 1934.88 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1934.555 1937.753 1934.74 1937.62 Okay , and now you can erase . 1935.67 1937.62 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1934.621 1935.037 1934.76 1934.99 Yeah . 1934.99 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1937.698 1939.844 1937.79 1939.76 I don't think I can , but uh we can try . 1938.72 1939.76 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1939.529 1941.313 1939.57 1941.22 Uh , we already try . 1940.48 1941.22 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1940.32 1941.7 1940.43 1941.64 Well it should be possible . 1941.64 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1941.832 1943.688 1941.85 1943.64 Oh , yeah , no , ha-ha . 1942.32 1942.78 1943.28 1943.64 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1943.112 1943.657 1943.15 1943.62 Oh no . 1943.62 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1944.44 1949.074 1944.64 1948.85 Well you can draw over it with white uh pen . Oh . 1948.5 1948.85 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1944.714 1945.21 1944.75 1945.11 No ? 1945.11 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1946.2 1949.544 1946.22 1949.51 Yeah , we tried it earlier . It's very much work . 1946.59 1948.51 1949.51 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1949.944 1950.696 1949.944 1950.65 Yeah . 1950.65 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1951.96 1965.08 1951.98 1965.02 Sorry . Well but that's also useful for the evaluation , because I think uh we have a prototype now which we can afford and uh we only need to draw a little bit to get a good uh 1954.24 1956.49 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1958.213 1959.442 1958.25 1959.3 Evaluation drops . 1959.3 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1967.393 1973.848 1967.51 1973.81 design . Doodle . And I think we should then move on to the production evaluation because of the time . 1968.38 1969.12 1973.81 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 1974.312 1975.64 1974.33 1975.39 And erase the mic . 1975.39 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1975.8 1977.275 1975.82 1977.07 Yeah , goodbye mic . 1976.26 1977.07 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1976.677 1979.816 1976.8 1979.816 All I need is no mic . 1979.16 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1980.824 1985.448 1980.85 1985.41 Let's see , we can save this now . 1981.81 1985.41 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1981.448 1983.342 1981.54 1983.23 Oh , I already erased half of the line . 1981.75 1983.23 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 1984.701 1987.4 1984.701 1987.4 Bon chance - TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 1987.254 1989.686 1987.45 1989.59 And move back to here . 1989.59 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 1992.52 1993.336 1992.54 1993.3 Too bad , oh . 1992.96 1993.3 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2004.088 2004.648 2004.11 2004.58 Like this ? 2004.58 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2005.384 2005.72 2005.41 2005.66 Mm-hmm . 2005.66 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2006.104 2007.01 2006.12 2006.9 Still looks nice . 2006.9 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2006.776 2009.64 2006.8 2009.6 And then all green . Okay , well thank you . 2007.99 2009.01 2009.6 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2009.804 2011.028 2009.87 2010.92 Oh , that's erase . 2010.22 2010.92 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2009.916 2011.336 2010.03 2011.01 Looks like a iPod . 2011.01 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2011.992 2013.224 2012.04 2013.01 Oh , no . 2012.43 2013.01 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2013.308 2015.124 2013.39 2015.124 No , add 2014.41 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2014.36 2015.557 2014.39 2015.49 Hey , but you can erase that . 2014.54 2015.49 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2015.517 2018.908 2015.57 2018.72 Yeah , that's a bit weird . Oh , now I'm line . 2015.9 2017.44 2017.95 2018.72 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2016.168 2016.584 2016.19 2016.55 Yeah . 2016.55 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2017.336 2017.736 2017.36 2017.68 Uh-oh . 2017.68 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2017.623 2020.999 2017.85 2020.95 S Difference between lines and text and the pen . 2020.95 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2020.904 2021.448 2020.92 2021.29 Yeah . 2021.29 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2023.023 2027.144 2023.12 2027.144 Oh . All I need is mic . 2023.86 2027.08 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2022.94 2023.544 2023.17 2023.4 Right . 2023.4 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2028.616 2049.176 2028.73 2049.14 And you can't erase this ? Hmm , strange . Okay , well uh just leave it at this and quickly save . Um and then we are going to the project or product evaluation . We just did our project evaluation . Um well , I think I can sit for that since it's almost my final slide . Um 2030.0 2030.43 2031.03 2031.35 2036.26 2041.17 2043.5 2044.36 2048.77 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2029.961 2031.879 2030.0 2031.879 No , it's weird . 2030.75 2031.81 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2034.776 2035.944 2034.8 2035.89 Station page . 2035.89 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2036.223 2038.605 2036.39 2038.605 Huh , looks fucking boring now . 2036.78 2038.26 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2050.552 2055.656 2050.65 2055.6 what did you think about uh the process ? How satisfied are we ? 2053.8 2055.6 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2056.936 2058.424 2056.97 2058.37 Deadlines were sometimes very short . 2058.37 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2058.47 2062.358 2058.54 2062.24 Yeah . Bu but stressful . You think , no , my presentation isn't ready . 2059.15 2060.01 2060.34 2061.0 2062.24 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2059.016 2059.464 2059.05 2059.33 Mm-hmm . 2059.33 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2059.5 2061.192 2059.58 2061.05 But And stressful . 2061.05 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2060.589 2060.993 2060.68 2060.88 Yeah . 2060.88 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2061.829 2078.025 2062.2 2078.025 I think we it should be b it would be better if we worked a little bit together . Now we worked through each other , something he said yeah , and you had information I also had , so some some things I had in my presentation , they already told , so 2067.5 2069.76 2071.62 2073.82 2076.4 2077.47 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2066.872 2067.208 2066.9 2067.17 Yeah . 2067.17 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2067.315 2068.166 2067.6 2067.94 Yeah . 2067.94 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2069.272 2070.705 2069.29 2070.48 And you could ask things . 2070.48 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2069.688 2072.224 2069.71 2072.224 Yeah , you had information I didn't have and then uh 2069.85 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2073.768 2075.175 2073.79 2075.175 Oh right . 2074.88 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2073.91 2074.364 2074.08 2074.31 Yeah . 2074.31 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2075.691 2076.008 2075.73 2075.97 Yeah . 2075.97 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2077.576 2077.997 2077.7 2077.96 Yeah . 2077.96 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2077.864 2081.894 2077.89 2081.894 And for me it sometimes was a surprise who was going to present what , huh ? And uh 2080.96 2081.2 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2080.772 2081.544 2080.772 2081.51 Yeah . 2081.51 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2080.877 2086.617 2081.39 2086.37 So yeah , that I don't think that is the best way to work at for such project . 2081.89 2086.37 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2084.424 2084.648 2084.44 2084.6 Yeah . 2084.6 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2084.744 2085.24 2084.9 2085.19 No . 2085.19 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2085.707 2089.876 2085.74 2089.68 So you would say uh communicate during our individual uh work . 2089.68 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2088.662 2093.128 2088.81 2093.07 Yeah , no , or maybe session of five minutes together or something , and then work separate . 2089.07 2089.24 2091.63 2093.07 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2092.485 2099.72 2092.54 2099.52 Yeah , but but why not work here together , for example ? Why should we be separated from each other in those difference uh different rooms ? 2092.76 2095.12 2095.55 2099.52 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2093.024 2093.402 2093.11 2093.29 Yeah . 2093.29 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2094.627 2095.864 2094.73 2095.864 Yeah , you could 2095.18 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2097.704 2098.222 2097.91 2098.18 Yeah . 2098.18 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2097.853 2098.35 2097.92 2098.26 Yeah . 2098.26 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2099.032 2099.486 2099.08 2099.41 Yeah . 2099.41 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2099.736 2100.099 2099.77 2100.03 Mm-hmm . 2100.03 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2100.974 2108.201 2101.05 2107.98 Well , probably to simulate the whole working uh process , huh , th you can't have a meeting uh for several weeks . 2101.2 2104.39 2104.52 2107.98 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2101.009 2101.985 2101.08 2101.74 I think so too . 2101.74 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2103.448 2104.147 2103.47 2104.03 Yeah . 2104.03 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2103.542 2105.663 2103.56 2105.663 Yeah , but then you can work together too when 2103.66 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2106.455 2118.219 2106.56 2118.219 Yeah m yeah , like she told . Then you can work together too by mail or by , I dunno , chat , something , but now we're completely separated from each other . I don't think that was the best way , but 2107.28 2108.02 2110.23 2110.57 2110.87 2112.17 2115.52 2117.76 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2111.944 2112.826 2111.96 2112.58 Huh , oh right . 2112.17 2112.58 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2112.196 2112.936 2112.35 2112.6 No . 2112.6 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2112.212 2113.676 2112.44 2113.676 A chat would also be uh - TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2118.588 2121.617 2118.67 2121.617 But the technology was uh fantastic . 2121.49 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2120.392 2121.699 2120.41 2121.54 Yeah , the technology's okay . 2120.57 2121.54 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2120.626 2126.13 2120.72 2125.86 Well , I I don't really like the board , it doesn't really work great . Sometimes I think . 2121.22 2122.68 2125.09 2125.86 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2123.706 2124.514 2123.76 2124.45 Work now ? 2124.45 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2124.016 2128.111 2124.11 2128.111 Yeah okay , but I don I do I think becau that's because 2124.68 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2127.224 2128.057 2127.24 2127.9 Perhaps it is e - TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2127.633 2130.469 2127.78 2130.469 It does work , but sometimes it doesn't erase or it doesn't uh 2128.28 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2129.377 2139.484 2129.45 2139.37 Yeah , perhaps it is easier to get one of those uh dig digital pens or so and to uh and lay it next to that keyboard over there . So you can draw uh see it over th on the screen . Yeah . 2129.83 2136.7 2139.09 2139.37 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2133.656 2134.079 2133.69 2133.98 Yeah . 2133.98 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2135.76 2136.122 2135.83 2136.07 Yeah . 2136.07 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2136.727 2142.525 2136.89 2142.46 Yeah , like the f like a plotters or something , yeah . Yep yep yep yep yep . 2137.14 2140.09 2141.51 2142.46 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2138.739 2139.101 2138.79 2139.04 Yeah . 2139.04 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2143.224 2146.552 2143.24 2146.552 So you don't think the SMARTboard is is really useful or - TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2143.535 2144.238 2143.58 2144.238 But - TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2146.118 2147.969 2146.118 2147.78 It's useful , but not m 2147.12 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2146.454 2151.023 2146.5 2151.023 Well it is useful , but it doesn't really work all the time . Th the pen doesn't 2147.53 2149.99 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2146.5 2147.754 2146.63 2147.754 Yeah , it is useful , but 2146.85 2147.56 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2148.62 2149.124 2148.73 2149.08 No . 2149.08 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2149.768 2157.016 2149.83 2156.96 Because when you put this pen on the screen uh uh for exam and line is d being drawn at at two or three centimetres uh below . 2156.96 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2152.533 2153.837 2152.6 2153.68 The line is a bit off . 2153.68 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2157.368 2160.604 2157.39 2160.32 Yeah , so it's maybe a bit unnatural also . 2157.57 2160.32 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2159.455 2160.121 2159.6 2159.99 Yep . 2159.99 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2159.683 2160.163 2159.79 2160.09 Alright . 2160.09 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2160.264 2162.616 2160.28 2162.58 Yeah , you can point to where you want the line to be . 2160.49 2162.58 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2164.808 2165.08 2164.83 2165.08 But - TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2166.669 2175.496 2166.85 2175.46 The project uh because of the deadlines you didn't had the time to uh have , you didn't have time to uh to make a very uh 2172.12 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2176.984 2179.816 2177.0 2179.77 qualitati qualitative uh presentation . 2179.77 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2180.008 2180.344 2180.03 2180.3 Yeah . 2180.3 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2181.624 2183.368 2181.64 2183.2 So you used uh this - TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2184.648 2190.232 2184.69 2190.232 uh the different PowerPoint presentations uh in which you put your uh material in the - TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2191.336 2191.624 2191.43 2191.57 Oh . 2191.57 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2193.247 2200.653 2193.29 2200.59 That wasn't me . Uh so um the means , we discussed the smart board , and what about uh this digital pen ? 2194.26 2197.71 2198.84 2200.59 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2193.954 2195.435 2193.954 2195.33 Wasn't me . 2195.33 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2194.024 2196.101 2194.024 2195.87 Yeah . 2195.87 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2200.968 2201.496 2201.01 2201.496 I - TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2201.129 2203.592 2201.27 2203.592 I didn't use it at all . 2203.38 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2202.375 2207.079 2202.43 2207.04 I I used it , it it was you can use it , it's quite handy I think . 2203.19 2205.26 2207.04 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2206.36 2212.472 2206.38 2212.44 Yeah , well I use it as a a normal pen and and and only you use it to uh get it on the computer , huh ? 2206.82 2212.22 2212.44 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2206.501 2207.788 2206.59 2207.788 But I didn't I uh - TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2210.513 2214.248 2210.57 2214.21 Yeah , I used it to y to Yeah , it did work pretty well . 2210.66 2212.67 2214.21 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2213.624 2215.528 2213.66 2215.48 I used it too , but oh well . 2214.47 2215.48 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2216.569 2217.596 2216.75 2217.52 I didn't use . 2217.52 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2216.747 2217.096 2216.79 2217.06 Yeah . 2217.06 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2217.057 2220.968 2217.09 2220.968 I don't think why you would want to use it actually , but it it does work . 2219.64 2220.87 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2218.748 2220.022 2219.05 2219.82 Yeah , because it shou 2219.24 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2219.001 2219.859 2219.07 2219.63 No yeah . 2219.63 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2221.367 2223.261 2221.4 2223.18 To make some designs , it is very easy . 2222.29 2223.18 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2221.155 2221.784 2221.41 2221.61 Yeah . 2221.61 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2221.586 2226.147 2221.76 2226.01 It is it is yeah , it is easy for to design something and then load it in your computer . 2222.76 2226.01 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2224.472 2225.064 2224.49 2224.87 Yeah . 2224.87 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2225.713 2227.615 2225.88 2227.58 Yeah , and then you can show it to everybody . 2226.3 2227.58 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2227.213 2227.6 2227.29 2227.49 Yeah . 2227.49 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2227.448 2228.648 2227.47 2228.57 But to write it th yeah . 2228.57 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2228.76 2231.368 2228.78 2231.09 Yeah . It's b bi little bit too big to write . 2229.22 2231.09 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2229.192 2232.056 2229.26 2232.056 It doesn't really write normally . It's a bit 2231.2 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2231.976 2233.336 2232.0 2233.21 Yeah , it's too big , it's too fat . 2232.19 2232.65 2233.21 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2233.023 2235.387 2233.023 2235.04 Yeah . Fat document , those . 2234.12 2234.84 2235.04 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2233.123 2234.136 2233.123 2234.09 Yeah . 2234.09 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2234.024 2234.328 2234.1 2234.29 Yeah . 2234.29 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2237.048 2238.552 2237.07 2238.52 Okay , um 2237.9 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2239.64 2240.904 2239.68 2240.76 and what about the teamwork ? 2240.76 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2241.214 2242.131 2241.28 2242.02 Team work was okay . 2242.02 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2241.688 2243.288 2241.71 2243.25 I think it was great , yeah . 2243.07 2243.25 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2242.676 2243.071 2242.72 2243.01 Yeah . 2243.01 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2242.92 2244.723 2242.94 2244.723 Yeah , well I think so too . we 2243.14 2244.45 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2244.035 2248.823 2244.14 2248.823 Only thing that we worked through , past each other . With some things that was only problem , but 2245.91 2247.14 2248.62 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2246.872 2247.192 2246.89 2247.08 Right . 2247.08 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2246.921 2250.119 2247.12 2250.08 Yeah , but that was it was our assignment , huh ? 2247.57 2249.91 2250.08 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2248.302 2250.515 2248.37 2250.43 Yeah , but it was because we didn't uh Yeah . 2248.65 2250.43 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2250.15 2252.588 2250.27 2252.55 Yeah yeah yeah , but furthermore better . 2250.95 2252.55 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2251.224 2256.232 2251.29 2256.232 Okay , and maybe I should walk out of the room when you discuss uh this point , the leadership . 2251.73 2254.59 2255.61 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2255.648 2259.642 2255.73 2259.45 That's yeah , no prob . Ah . 2258.53 2259.19 2259.45 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2256.543 2260.024 2256.543 2259.97 I thought it was good , but uh Yeah . Yeah . 2257.96 2259.7 2259.97 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2258.074 2258.503 2258.15 2258.47 Yeah . 2258.47 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2259.288 2260.721 2259.31 2260.44 Yeah well , okay . 2260.12 2260.44 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2260.168 2262.296 2260.19 2262.17 Not too much , not too too too too . 2260.73 2262.17 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2261.789 2262.142 2261.83 2262.08 Yeah . 2262.08 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2263.112 2263.4 2263.13 2263.35 Yeah . 2263.35 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2263.825 2264.216 2263.9 2264.16 Okay . 2264.16 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2264.952 2270.302 2264.97 2270.302 And creativity ? Well , when we look at this I'd say we have been creative , huh ? But 2266.29 2266.51 2269.62 2269.92 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2269.899 2270.536 2269.99 2270.5 Well . 2270.5 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2270.472 2273.544 2270.49 2273.544 Yeah , or the room for it was the idea to be creative , so 2270.84 2273.09 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2271.497 2272.667 2271.6 2272.667 There was room for - TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2273.912 2274.264 2273.93 2274.23 Yeah . 2274.23 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2275.496 2280.13 2275.52 2280.01 You got some standard ideas in your head and this what came out . 2280.01 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2278.536 2278.856 2278.56 2278.82 Mm-hmm . 2278.82 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2279.589 2282.804 2279.63 2282.804 And you get get stuff from the from the computer , but 2282.58 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2281.512 2281.816 2281.54 2281.78 Yeah . 2281.78 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2285.948 2291.225 2285.99 2291.225 The information uh was sometimes uh a little bit too late or - TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2289.166 2294.535 2289.24 2294.43 Little bit uh lo yeah . Too late it it it took a lot of time before you got your ema yeah . 2291.24 2294.43 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2290.756 2291.261 2290.84 2291.19 Yeah . 2291.19 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2292.249 2295.885 2292.31 2295.81 You just sit there for ten minutes . Yeah , where is that email ? 2294.38 2294.84 2295.81 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2293.863 2294.41 2293.93 2294.38 Yeah . 2294.38 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2295.246 2297.768 2295.32 2297.72 I played I think seven times Solitaire something . 2297.72 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2298.004 2306.232 2298.004 2306.232 Oh did you ? Is it on there ? Is it on there ? I didn't find the didn't look but uh I didn't look , but 2299.47 2301.01 2301.98 2305.94 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2297.942 2300.456 2298.15 2300.2 You did ? Well , I didn't have time for that . 2298.5 2298.88 2300.2 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2300.59 2301.048 2300.72 2300.86 Wha - TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2302.347 2307.738 2302.55 2307.738 At some times I Sometimes I received like like five emails at at one moment , and then 2307.24 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2302.557 2303.741 2302.66 2303.31 Oh right , it is there . 2302.99 2303.31 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2302.952 2305.336 2302.952 2305.15 Was searching and searching . 2305.15 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2307.088 2309.785 2307.15 2309.785 No , I I never got that . I always 2307.5 2308.78 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2308.712 2311.164 2308.78 2311.13 I got like one email after ten minutes or something . 2311.13 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2310.929 2311.544 2310.95 2311.41 N yeah . 2311.41 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2311.005 2316.78 2311.17 2316.78 I even got spam . Or something like that . 2314.35 2316.69 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2315.179 2316.811 2315.24 2316.811 That's what we said . 2316.72 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2315.613 2322.856 2315.69 2322.82 So does this I think lik oh and information was a bit low I think , sometimes , in in in in the beginning I didn't understand what what to do . 2319.92 2320.39 2322.82 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2319.78 2321.121 2319.83 2321.121 And it not a lot uh - TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2323.128 2325.381 2323.15 2325.381 No , the first one . I didn't know uh 2323.43 2324.37 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2323.496 2325.286 2323.53 2325.286 No , w I didn't know 2323.85 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2324.216 2330.088 2324.24 2330.05 Yeah , like I with with the remote and I never new we have t we had to uh yeah made a made a rec a remote control . 2324.55 2330.05 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2327.634 2328.762 2327.72 2328.61 Make a r yeah . 2328.61 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2328.564 2329.6 2328.72 2329.44 nee . 2329.44 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2330.262 2340.343 2330.3 2340.343 And I didn't know what to do for the first ten minutes before we got here , so I went , right . Yeah . Just looking at the screen and uh 2333.24 2333.83 2335.72 2336.58 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2332.393 2333.883 2332.51 2333.883 Yeah , so 2333.33 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2333.107 2333.486 2333.18 2333.44 Yeah . 2333.44 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2334.151 2337.223 2334.21 2337.09 No stepping on the table and then looking at the internet page . 2337.09 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2336.422 2353.992 2336.45 2353.96 And I was working and working and work Okay , well um but after all we can say uh we are satisfied , but it it could've been uh better . When we get uh when we have we would have gotten uh more information . 2343.48 2347.65 2350.6 2353.96 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2338.056 2341.26 2338.056 2341.11 No . 2341.11 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2342.757 2343.489 2342.89 2343.44 So , yeah . 2343.28 2343.44 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2350.04 2350.328 2350.08 2350.29 Yeah . 2350.29 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2353.928 2355.305 2354.01 2355.23 Mm-hmm . Faster . 2354.56 2355.23 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2354.066 2355.202 2354.09 2355.08 Yeah , an 2354.82 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2354.312 2355.96 2354.36 2355.93 Yeah , more information about the costs . 2354.56 2355.93 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2356.197 2356.635 2356.25 2356.53 Yeah . 2356.53 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2356.536 2357.803 2356.56 2357.66 Yeah , that will be handy . 2356.74 2357.66 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2358.392 2368.04 2358.41 2368.01 First of all I didn't think uh that we were able to make an L_C_D_ screen uh first point , but uh it was possible uh uh , yeah . 2363.96 2367.66 2368.01 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2364.408 2365.306 2364.408 2364.99 Yeah . 2364.99 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2365.437 2368.921 2365.68 2368.84 Yeah , it only costs four units . Uh yeah . 2365.89 2367.46 2368.84 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2368.6 2375.576 2368.62 2375.576 Yea uh so tha actually you could make an L_C_D_ screen but no mic , or it could make mic but no L_C_D_ screen , when you look at that . Yeah . 2371.84 2373.95 2374.71 2375.37 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2368.915 2369.42 2368.96 2369.28 Yeah . 2369.28 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2373.195 2381.543 2373.31 2381.49 Yeah , that was a bit mean to put it in the end . And uh what were the other points to to improve this whole process ? 2373.42 2376.31 2381.49 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2373.467 2373.82 2373.52 2373.77 Yeah . 2373.77 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2380.476 2382.328 2380.55 2382.16 Uh , I dunno . 2381.69 2382.16 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2381.144 2382.519 2381.32 2382.519 Um - TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2383.992 2385.835 2384.01 2385.79 Yeah . Nothing . 2385.29 2385.79 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2384.104 2385.176 2384.17 2385.04 Think that's about it . 2385.04 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2386.664 2392.296 2386.68 2392.04 Hmm . Heavier um less heavy laptops . Yeah . 2387.76 2391.76 2392.04 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2386.688 2388.245 2386.86 2388.06 I think we got it already . 2388.06 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2390.008 2391.131 2390.07 2390.96 Yeah , they're pretty heavy . 2390.38 2390.96 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2389.879 2393.272 2390.09 2393.272 Yeah . 2392.8 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2389.947 2391.403 2390.1 2391.37 Uh . Faster laptop . 2390.54 2391.37 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2392.995 2395.52 2393.06 2395.41 Uh . They were they were just fine . 2393.92 2395.41 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2393.795 2395.209 2393.93 2395.209 But that's not really uh - TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2394.6 2398.43 2394.75 2398.38 And furthermore the the the network was okay . Everything you loaded was also 2396.92 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2396.833 2397.355 2396.91 2397.18 Yeah . 2397.18 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2396.939 2397.654 2397.04 2397.33 Uh . 2397.33 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2398.611 2399.856 2398.68 2399.74 Yeah , everything worked . 2399.11 2399.74 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2399.026 2400.497 2399.13 2400.4 av available there . 2400.4 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2400.68 2400.968 2400.71 2400.89 Right . 2400.89 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2401.107 2405.96 2401.3 2405.91 And so more time uh w might have improved the the quality of work , is what you say . Okay . 2405.12 2405.65 2405.91 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2401.215 2401.77 2401.37 2401.77 So - TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2404.792 2405.128 2404.81 2405.08 Yeah . 2405.08 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2405.272 2406.728 2405.31 2406.728 Yeah . Yeah , but that 2406.17 2406.42 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2407.54 2410.829 2407.72 2410.829 It's now half past four half past three , so 2410.44 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2412.059 2415.928 2412.13 2415.89 Yeah , but it's just the the off hours between that you will work alone . 2412.27 2415.89 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2414.888 2416.392 2414.91 2416.31 Yeah , okay . Yeah , okay . 2415.07 2415.99 2416.2 2416.31 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2416.898 2421.544 2416.98 2421.544 Then it pops up pop up screen came . Five minutes in the meeting . No . 2419.18 2420.83 2421.32 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2418.792 2419.693 2418.84 2419.51 Mm-hm . Mm . 2419.29 2419.51 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2420.17 2420.688 2420.32 2420.61 Yeah . 2420.61 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2420.217 2420.696 2420.36 2420.66 Mm . 2420.66 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2431.063 2486.248 2431.15 2485.98 Okay , so more time during the individual work phases . Um okay well uh I just got my warning for the last five minutes , so I'll move on to I guess my last slide , yes , which is the closing . Well uh , we managed , but we did it very quickly . I don't know if that's the best way to when it isn't is it when it is too expensive to quickly re-arrange it and say , okay , this is it , but we had to do it , huh , because we have to have a design , and that is within the budget . And we evaluated . Maybe we should re-evaluate uh the product , but we did that before , and we also evaluated the project . And I think uh everybody's uh very happy . At least I am , with the results , so uh celebration , well , for the three of you , because uh I have to write the final report now . But uh well , thank you very much for your co-operation , and I had a very nice day so far . Okay . 2431.48 2434.64 2439.94 2443.71 2444.29 2445.43 2446.62 2447.19 2448.31 2453.78 2453.97 2454.82 2455.56 2455.74 2457.75 2459.91 2461.0 2463.3 2465.21 2467.61 2470.6 2471.49 2472.11 2474.05 2474.37 2475.01 2477.95 2479.64 2481.47 2485.13 2485.98 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2434.488 2434.856 2434.51 2434.68 Huh . 2434.68 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2439.864 2441.494 2439.88 2441.494 You did ? Well 2440.95 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2453.4 2455.695 2453.42 2455.695 Oh , right . Well 2453.89 2454.94 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2472.329 2472.792 2472.38 2472.71 Yeah . 2472.71 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2472.711 2473.64 2472.711 2473.48 Yeah . 2473.48 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2474.921 2476.032 2474.96 2476.032 Champagne . 2475.97 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2477.328 2480.68 2477.328 2480.64 Yeah . 2480.64 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2481.649 2482.328 2481.72 2482.16 Yeah , sure . 2481.86 2482.16 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2482.411 2482.95 2482.55 2482.8 No prob . 2482.8 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2484.131 2484.745 2484.19 2484.71 Oh thank you . 2484.71 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2484.252 2485.383 2484.32 2485.23 Mm-hmm . 2485.23 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2487.009 2488.696 2487.11 2488.696 Do we get another email ? 2488.63 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2488.728 2490.93 2488.88 2490.87 Bling . You're fired . 2490.25 2490.87 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2490.024 2491.366 2490.024 2491.366 Um - TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2490.187 2491.496 2490.23 2491.3 I think you do . 2491.3 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2491.354 2494.164 2491.44 2494.164 I I think we have to fill in a questionnaire again , but 2493.52 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2493.688 2505.696 2493.71 2505.51 Yeah I have t I think we also have to go to our own rooms again , but um well I at least . But maybe you can try uh to make a screen shot of this , so I can try to include it in the final report . 2496.72 2499.47 2502.55 2505.51 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2496.785 2497.24 2496.81 2497.14 We do ? 2497.14 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2496.979 2497.391 2497.07 2497.18 Mm . 2497.18 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2503.496 2503.962 2503.52 2503.88 Yeah . 2503.88 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2504.946 2506.296 2505.02 2506.26 Uh th that that one ? 2506.26 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2506.146 2507.509 2506.22 2507.41 You cannot you can save it . 2507.41 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2506.552 2512.5 2506.83 2512.3 Yeah , maybe . wants to , but at least this one . I know , we should remove this , but it won't h 2507.3 2508.17 2508.76 2510.24 2510.79 2511.66 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2507.017 2510.456 2507.2 2510.4 You can just Yeah , but it's it isn't a picture or , well , is it ? 2508.41 2509.89 2510.1 2510.4 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2510.515 2513.957 2510.56 2513.88 You s uh file save as the J_ PEG J_ PEG . 2513.88 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2513.224 2516.205 2513.24 2516.12 Okay . And uh please put it in the project folder then , huh . 2513.65 2515.96 2516.12 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2517.29 2518.443 2517.31 2518.38 Can you find it as a J_ PEG ? 2518.38 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2518.459 2519.624 2518.54 2519.624 No . 2519.51 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2518.293 2524.064 2518.65 2523.89 No , isn't possible . But you can make a screen shot , I think . 2519.89 2520.78 2523.53 2523.89 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2524.226 2525.971 2524.46 2525.971 Okay , well I uh 2524.7 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2526.424 2526.84 2526.44 2526.8 No . 2526.8 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2529.163 2529.534 2529.23 2529.49 No . 2529.49 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2530.104 2536.038 2530.28 2536.038 I hereby officially close the meeting and uh I hope to see you uh soon . 2535.87 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2531.777 2532.19 2531.87 2532.13 Yeah . 2532.13 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2531.957 2532.479 2532.04 2532.39 Okay . 2532.39 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2534.482 2537.119 2534.5 2537.119 In uh - TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2535.387 2537.692 2535.387 2537.28 In about five minutes . 2537.28 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2536.17 2538.157 2536.32 2538.02 Uh oh , export . 2537.55 2538.02 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2537.064 2543.711 2537.064 2543.711 Well , I think we'll be a bit a bit longer , but okay . Well , happy celebration , huh ? 2538.24 2539.98 2541.39 2541.69 2542.4 2543.56 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2539.304 2539.688 2539.32 2539.65 Ah . 2539.65 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2542.65 2549.374 2542.8 2549.27 Oh thank you . Whoo-hoo . Let's let's have party . Let's have some fun . Huh ? 2543.94 2544.53 2546.93 2549.08 2549.27 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2543.8 2544.568 2543.83 2544.53 Images . 2544.53 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2544.451 2549.811 2544.451 2549.69 Celebra Or shouldn't I ? 2549.69 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2546.012 2547.704 2546.1 2547.49 How big do you want the images ? 2547.49 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2548.692 2549.8 2548.81 2549.71 How big ? Uh 2549.36 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2549.294 2550.034 2549.32 2549.73 Yeah . 2549.73 TS3005d A MTD017PM 0 2551.048 2554.353 2551.21 2554.3 not too big . Whatever you think is good . 2553.2 2554.3 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2552.065 2552.696 2552.15 2552.57 This one ? 2552.57 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2553.128 2554.92 2553.19 2554.71 Six hundred . No , I yeah . 2553.91 2554.27 2554.71 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2554.472 2557.416 2554.59 2557.416 No that uh is one thousand twenty four . 2557.31 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2555.63 2557.877 2555.87 2557.81 I think eight hundred six hundred is better . 2557.81 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2558.168 2558.628 2558.19 2558.52 This one ? 2558.52 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2558.648 2559.054 2558.71 2558.97 Yeah . 2558.97 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2558.723 2559.026 2558.74 2558.95 Yeah . 2558.95 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2561.896 2562.805 2562.13 2562.7 If it browse . 2562.7 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2562.327 2563.928 2562.77 2563.89 Nah , name . 2563.4 2563.89 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2567.896 2568.382 2567.92 2568.382 Um - TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2568.408 2568.872 2568.49 2568.84 Desktop . 2568.84 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2570.709 2571.928 2570.74 2571.89 Well it isn't on the desktop . 2571.89 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2572.981 2573.216 2573.0 2573.14 Hey . 2573.14 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2573.96 2574.328 2574.0 2574.23 Mm ? 2574.23 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2576.392 2577.416 2576.41 2577.16 I do not know . 2577.16 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2577.544 2579.47 2577.56 2579.41 You can only save it in my documents . 2579.41 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2581.208 2581.464 2581.23 2581.4 Oh ? 2581.4 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2584.114 2584.703 2584.2 2584.58 Oh my God . 2584.58 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2585.24 2585.496 2585.26 2585.45 Yeah . 2585.45 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2587.604 2587.915 2587.67 2587.84 Oh . 2587.84 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2589.72 2590.36 2589.77 2590.32 Oh , alright . 2589.85 2590.32 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2592.914 2593.327 2592.99 2593.25 Yeah . 2593.25 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2593.256 2593.592 2593.28 2593.56 Okay . 2593.56 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2595.048 2596.947 2595.048 2596.947 Yeah . 2596.54 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2599.152 2599.733 2599.3 2599.6 Yeah . 2599.6 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2602.218 2602.79 2602.26 2602.71 Three . 2602.71 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2606.392 2607.618 2606.392 2607.25 Ten . 2607.25 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2606.888 2608.274 2606.91 2608.274 Can we stay here ? 2608.16 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2608.584 2608.872 2608.61 2608.83 Yeah . 2608.83 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2611.459 2611.779 2611.53 2611.7 Ten . 2611.7 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2612.561 2613.065 2612.64 2612.97 Yeah . 2612.97 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2612.684 2613.156 2612.79 2613.06 Uh . 2613.06 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2616.918 2617.516 2617.04 2617.44 Okay . 2617.44 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2616.911 2617.971 2617.09 2617.87 Yeah , alright . 2617.53 2617.87 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2619.913 2621.144 2620.01 2621.144 Why can't we stay here ? 2620.91 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2621.398 2621.878 2621.56 2621.73 Alright . 2621.73 TS3005d B FTD019UID 1 2623.563 2624.06 2623.62 2623.87 Yeah . 2623.87 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2624.708 2634.184 2624.708 2634.184 Celebration time , come on . 2627.47 2633.46 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2625.241 2625.512 2625.34 2625.46 Oh . 2625.46 TS3005d C MTD018ID 2 2634.424 2636.248 2634.44 2636.07 Oh . 2636.07 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2635.24 2636.44 2635.26 2636.06 Peace out nigger . 2636.06 TS3005d D MTD020ME 3 2638.227 2639.144 2638.26 2639.02 Entree - TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 35.609 36.03 35.7 35.94 Mm uh . 35.94 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 40.713 44.424 40.713 44.39 We're the first . 44.39 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 43.065 43.436 43.14 43.34 Mm . 43.34 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 44.766 46.699 44.82 46.699 We're the first ones . 46.62 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 47.63 49.667 47.66 49.23 Marketing Expert , yes . 48.76 49.23 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 51.62 52.235 51.73 52.1 Mm . 52.1 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 64.284 65.925 64.32 65.86 So you found your spots . 65.86 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 65.878 66.661 65.92 66.54 Yes . 66.54 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 73.45 78.382 73.45 78.28 Move to the meeting room . Okay . 77.83 78.28 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 74.474 77.535 74.79 77.47 Bling bling . Yeah . 76.2 77.47 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 81.675 83.35 81.76 83.35 Right . 83.17 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 82.949 83.959 83.16 83.75 Okay . 83.75 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 85.041 89.342 85.14 89.23 Uh where has my screen gone ? 89.23 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 89.457 90.332 89.63 89.99 Hi . 89.99 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 91.519 97.073 91.63 96.94 Hello , good day . Yep . 92.19 96.81 96.94 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 93.723 96.206 93.86 96.1 Oh yeah , we have to talk in English , huh . 94.84 95.91 96.1 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 94.593 95.107 94.67 95.0 Hmm . 95.0 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 96.748 102.395 96.95 102.05 Yeah . My screen is gone . Oh . 98.27 101.35 102.05 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 101.315 103.425 101.48 103.425 It's called black . 103.33 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 104.277 105.825 104.39 105.73 Kick-off meeting , wow . 105.59 105.73 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 106.882 109.752 106.91 109.03 I'm afraid I'm a bit slow for this stuff uh . 109.03 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 106.784 108.257 106.94 108.18 It's uh looks uh nice . 108.18 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 110.857 111.236 110.99 111.12 Hmm ? 111.12 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 111.201 111.732 111.26 111.61 Okay . 111.61 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 111.494 116.893 111.63 116.13 I'm afraid I'm a bit too slow . I don't know how much preparation you guys did , but not a lot . 113.33 115.28 116.13 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 114.88 115.419 114.96 115.29 Yeah . 115.29 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 115.476 116.192 115.57 116.06 Yeah . 116.06 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 116.319 118.557 116.38 118.51 No , it's it was uh not enough . 116.59 118.51 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 117.847 123.436 117.99 123.18 You see this beautiful presentation . Okay let's get started . 121.23 123.18 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 120.032 121.76 120.06 121.73 Yeah . Very nice . 121.04 121.73 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 123.186 123.725 123.28 123.55 Yeah . 123.55 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 124.753 147.952 125.0 147.91 Uh I sort of prepared this . Uh opening acquaintance , tool training , uh how to use the things here . Uh project plan discussion , and yeah then the rest of the meeting . Um we're supposed to develop a new remote control , that's both original , trendy and user-friendly . 128.39 131.46 132.34 134.9 136.71 141.6 144.72 146.53 147.91 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 134.544 135.114 134.58 134.99 Mm . 134.99 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 140.72 141.264 140.79 141.09 Mm-hmm . 141.09 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 149.12 165.775 149.14 165.62 So , hope you have good ideas . I don't . Um we're work we're working uh from top to bottom . Uh functional design , then we do some in individual work , then we have a meeting to discuss the results , etcetera etcetera . 150.62 151.87 153.89 158.64 160.39 161.96 164.75 165.62 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 151.899 154.741 151.899 154.61 I did my best . 154.61 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 154.925 155.792 155.12 155.44 Not yet . 155.44 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 166.67 170.585 166.73 170.49 And at the end of the day we should have a prototype drawn up . 170.49 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 171.972 177.528 172.13 177.33 Uh we have available the smart board and the whiteboard . Um 176.62 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 178.437 187.999 178.53 187.999 uh we should take some practice . I have some instructions now to do that . Uh well you know how to the documents work . So 181.11 184.55 187.36 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 182.976 183.523 183.09 183.35 Yeah . 183.35 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 189.315 193.42 189.43 193.14 Uh this for toolbar . You see it next . Um 191.28 192.56 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 195.195 204.959 195.3 204.959 we have a pen . And we can use this pen to perform . Yes . So 197.65 202.87 204.34 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 202.63 203.696 202.73 203.53 Operations . 203.53 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 209.336 211.659 209.52 211.6 It doesn't always work . 211.6 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 212.576 214.877 212.68 214.78 Yes . Okay so you can 213.85 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 212.627 213.165 212.77 213.04 Yeah . 213.04 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 216.839 217.478 216.93 217.31 draw . 217.31 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 217.187 219.073 217.4 218.74 Draw . Alright . 218.3 218.74 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 218.138 224.627 218.21 224.49 Okay and in the format menu you can select colour and line width , etcetera etcetera . Okay ? 222.85 224.31 224.49 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 223.753 224.224 223.84 224.11 'Kay . 224.11 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 225.568 226.128 225.6 226.128 Uh - TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 231.131 236.249 231.31 236.08 Okay . Each of you can uh take some practice and you should draw an animal . 232.11 236.08 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 237.259 238.774 237.44 238.774 Uh you should explain - TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 239.781 247.63 239.81 247.42 Uh with different colours and with different pen widths . And you should explain why you draw that particular animal . So , Julian . 241.96 246.53 247.06 247.42 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 245.792 248.571 245.792 248.49 Okay . 248.49 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 249.04 251.072 249.06 251.072 Don't take up too much space . 250.56 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 250.992 254.008 251.01 253.87 Um yeah . 253.87 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 254.533 256.873 254.62 256.71 Different pen widths , how do you do that ? 255.68 256.71 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 256.816 258.419 257.02 258.17 Uh with the format menu . 258.17 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 258.272 259.04 258.33 258.87 Oh okay . 258.87 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 261.315 263.503 261.47 263.26 And use different colours etcetera . 263.26 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 264.963 272.235 264.963 272.08 It's a giraffe . Yeah . 271.85 272.08 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 266.112 267.8 266.27 267.57 Are you serious ? 267.57 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 266.231 270.271 266.36 270.271 And what's that supposed to be ? 269.8 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 270.378 271.92 270.62 271.92 Should it be one - TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 271.719 277.106 271.86 277.106 Oh yeah . Oh yeah four legs . Uh-huh . 274.71 275.63 276.97 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 273.056 276.141 273.056 275.9 Okay . 275.9 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 275.495 277.2 275.64 277.2 Giraffe's yellow . 277.0 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 277.044 279.3 277.12 279.3 Uh it needs some uh some yellow uh - TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 280.614 281.565 280.76 281.51 Oh format . 281.51 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 282.336 287.696 282.36 287.696 Can you use one blank sheet per drawing ? Or so y you must save it at the end and then 284.81 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 284.723 285.254 284.86 285.22 Yeah . 285.22 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 287.492 295.236 287.67 295.11 Yeah you can press the next button , which is uh yeah . I'll show you . Yeah . In file menu . 289.8 292.29 293.56 294.32 295.11 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 291.68 292.978 291.91 292.9 That's some spots . 292.9 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 292.298 294.15 292.52 293.92 I in the file option menu . 293.92 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 295.664 298.103 295.68 298.0 Okay , then m make a new one . 296.69 298.0 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 296.657 296.986 296.73 296.92 No . 296.92 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 297.888 302.307 297.96 302.12 How much time do we have to draw anyway ? 'Cause I can take forever on this . 299.9 302.12 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 298.589 301.7 298.589 301.58 Yeah . 301.58 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 302.976 306.191 303.0 306.11 Okay . Do I have to explain uh why I chose this uh this animal ? 303.15 306.11 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 306.156 310.998 306.26 310.998 Yeah . What is it ? 309.39 310.58 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 307.512 312.044 307.53 311.97 I think it's a it's a great animal . It's a it's a giraffe . 310.79 311.97 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 311.874 317.766 311.99 317.766 A giraffe okay . Yeah I see a long neck but 313.74 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 313.464 314.508 313.52 314.508 Yeah , that's a 313.74 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 315.264 317.197 315.28 317.197 It's more like a dinosaur . 317.0 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 316.472 319.558 316.472 319.558 Um - TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 320.896 323.21 320.92 323.1 Okay I'll will give it an uh an eye . 323.1 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 323.153 325.241 323.38 325.13 Okay . That's nice of you . 324.21 325.13 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 323.775 324.448 323.775 324.18 Uh . 324.18 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 324.86 325.937 325.02 325.73 Hey . Come on . 325.46 325.73 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 325.747 328.24 325.8 328.24 Some leaf to eat . 327.76 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 328.001 332.682 328.17 332.682 Okay . Yeah pretty good . Uh could you press the next uh 328.7 330.7 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 332.8 334.848 332.82 334.81 The next ? Yes . 334.21 334.81 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 335.189 337.916 335.32 337.83 Okay . Then uh . 335.89 337.83 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 337.04 338.585 337.06 338.53 Yeah . Thanks . 338.15 338.53 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 337.082 341.348 337.38 341.06 Here you go . Hmm . 340.85 341.06 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 342.154 342.799 342.26 342.61 Yeah . 342.61 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 350.0 354.437 350.13 354.35 Is this part of our a acquai or introduction to each other ? 354.35 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 353.198 356.536 353.28 356.536 Yeah sorry , introduction and get acquainted and 354.18 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 354.171 354.704 354.171 354.704 Uh - TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 356.496 357.367 356.65 357.17 Alright . 357.17 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 357.748 359.33 358.04 359.33 That's the idea , so 358.76 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 365.44 368.377 365.47 368.14 Uh . Your line broke . 367.3 368.14 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 368.352 369.909 368.352 369.87 Yeah . 369.87 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 370.912 374.059 370.94 373.95 Alright . It's not that fast . Yeah . 372.25 373.5 373.95 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 372.208 374.019 372.3 374.019 Yeah it's a bit slow , so 373.46 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 374.954 375.979 375.02 375.979 Yeah . 375.88 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 375.541 378.93 375.541 378.87 I see . It misses the spot . 377.67 378.87 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 379.331 380.457 379.331 380.21 pressure . 380.21 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 379.918 381.287 380.01 381.16 I'm guessing a turtle . 381.16 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 382.496 384.621 382.52 384.57 No . I'm kidding . 383.74 384.57 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 383.947 386.912 383.947 386.68 I say good guess . 386.68 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 388.88 389.392 388.9 389.392 Uh - TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 389.555 391.002 389.8 390.82 Why a turtle ? 390.82 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 391.44 392.569 391.46 392.45 Because of its shell . 392.45 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 392.6 399.325 392.74 399.325 Because it's slow . Yeah I was a bit slow too . So 396.65 398.83 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 393.864 399.05 393.864 399.05 It's slow . You were slow too so 395.56 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 394.009 398.759 394.3 398.759 'Cause it's so 'cause it's green . 398.27 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 398.46 399.849 398.61 399.72 Dude you're a good drawer . 399.72 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 400.976 408.496 400.976 408.496 Uh some other line uh width uh - TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 408.78 410.068 408.93 410.0 Do you have a turtle pet ? 410.0 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 410.851 412.938 410.851 412.938 No . 412.08 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 412.239 412.946 412.34 412.85 Uh okay . 412.85 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 416.407 420.01 416.5 419.88 I dunno . Does it have legs ? Yeah ? 417.38 419.47 419.88 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 418.527 419.476 418.59 419.37 Yeah yeah yeah . 419.37 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 418.762 421.953 419.11 421.953 Yeah sure . Yeah not exactly legs but 420.18 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 422.912 424.26 422.95 424.08 Stumpy stuff . 424.08 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 423.198 424.884 423.3 424.884 More like fins or - TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 424.527 426.096 424.57 425.78 It's more like a tank . 425.78 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 427.761 429.856 427.85 429.75 Yeah that's fins but I don't know where . 429.75 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 428.812 433.161 429.14 432.85 They kind of l look like mole legs . With sharp nails on . 431.78 432.85 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 432.325 433.066 432.48 432.87 Yeah . 432.87 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 434.671 435.791 434.69 435.72 Some spots . 435.72 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 437.256 438.4 437.36 438.3 Ah some eye . 438.3 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 439.815 447.277 439.815 447.277 Yeah it's l looks very friendly . 447.17 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 441.834 445.771 441.94 445.42 Yeah that's a fr friendly turtle I guess . 445.42 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 448.704 452.258 448.72 452.15 Yeah well I think it's uh fair enough . 452.15 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 451.903 452.713 452.08 452.63 Yeah okay . 452.63 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 452.352 454.021 452.91 453.96 A little tail maybe . 453.96 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 459.232 463.296 459.25 463.296 Right . I don't know what the position is . 460.12 463.15 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 465.774 466.885 465.88 466.75 Does it have ears ? 466.75 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 467.296 468.196 467.39 468.05 Uh no . 468.05 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 467.855 468.52 468.01 468.32 No . 468.32 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 468.115 472.171 468.2 472.09 No . Oh okay . Can you erase ears or Yeah ? 468.67 469.64 472.09 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 468.2 468.697 468.35 468.59 No . 468.59 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 469.121 470.398 469.21 470.16 The little holes maybe . 470.16 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 470.941 476.329 471.21 476.14 Yeah yeah yeah . There's a a gum , gum to . 471.78 474.6 476.14 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 473.864 475.337 473.92 475.22 Alright . Eraser . 474.67 475.22 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 477.135 478.995 477.22 478.94 And why did you choose this animal ? 478.94 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 477.27 477.859 477.38 477.859 So - TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 480.201 481.817 480.32 481.54 He said it was slow . 481.54 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 480.112 487.328 480.33 487.22 I dunno . I it just came into my mind . So there's no particular reason I pen . 480.91 483.29 487.22 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 483.942 484.784 484.29 484.62 Alright . 484.62 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 491.587 495.728 491.587 495.728 I like it . 495.56 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 494.066 494.697 494.14 494.57 Yeah . 494.57 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 495.598 499.073 495.7 499.04 Well I'm guess I'm done . That's my turtle . 498.15 499.04 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 497.311 498.93 497.44 498.93 Okay . 498.89 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 500.025 501.422 500.16 501.28 Your turn Niels . 501.28 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 499.558 501.39 500.49 501.08 Alright . 501.08 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 501.511 503.733 501.61 503.67 How to select the next or here . 503.67 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 502.698 504.516 502.95 504.27 The next yeah . 504.27 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 504.592 506.37 504.592 506.19 Yeah . Here you go . 505.61 506.19 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 504.976 516.272 504.976 516.272 Colours were under format right ? Let's see . How am I gonna do this ? Um 510.31 513.31 515.18 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 505.897 507.549 506.04 507.35 Makes new paper . 507.35 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 508.254 508.759 508.33 508.63 Yeah . 508.63 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 512.564 513.607 512.78 513.42 Orange . 513.42 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 524.763 525.26 524.95 525.16 Mm uh . 525.16 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 534.944 537.712 534.96 537.712 A rabbit I think . Kangaroo . 536.85 537.32 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 535.777 536.956 536.04 536.68 Kangaroo . 536.68 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 536.464 539.926 536.464 539.63 Not quite actually . 539.63 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 540.544 541.104 540.56 541.07 Fox . 541.07 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 541.201 544.323 541.22 544.24 A fox yeah . Firefox . 543.1 544.24 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 543.238 543.934 543.4 543.87 Dog . 543.87 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 544.768 546.627 544.87 546.45 No . Aye . 546.19 546.45 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 545.397 546.098 545.62 545.99 Cat . 545.99 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 547.824 552.31 547.824 552.2 It's a cat . Not quite yet through . 551.01 552.2 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 548.393 549.437 548.58 549.28 It's a cat . 549.28 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 549.765 550.219 549.88 550.09 Mm . 550.09 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 550.956 553.152 551.06 553.152 A cat who had an accident or - TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 554.42 555.969 554.72 555.64 Why a cat ? 555.64 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 556.208 559.024 556.23 558.98 Uh yeah I dunno . They're my favourite pets . 557.52 558.98 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 559.706 561.053 559.93 560.99 You have some uh ? 560.99 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 560.768 562.592 560.79 562.32 Uh I have colour already . 562.32 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 564.588 569.152 564.67 569.152 Yeah I'm not so good at drawing with this kind of st Oh shit . Um 568.46 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 567.613 571.019 567.613 570.94 The pen , yeah . 570.35 570.94 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 570.56 571.824 570.73 571.66 Excuse my language . 571.66 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 572.689 574.013 572.75 574.013 Sure . 573.91 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 574.352 590.176 574.37 590.176 I don't know how to draw its face . But you get the idea . It's a cat . It's my favourite uh pet animal , 'cause they're cute , they're independent and cuddly , I dunno . That's it . Or do I need to use more colours and 575.6 576.43 577.89 580.6 581.41 583.69 586.44 587.42 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 576.392 578.918 576.55 578.84 Yeah . Alright . 578.07 578.84 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 583.968 585.079 584.43 584.84 Okay . 584.84 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 587.605 588.547 587.8 588.23 Yeah . 588.23 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 590.424 606.148 590.424 605.93 I think it's okay . You get idea right ? Okay um we have a financial aspect to this project . Um we can sell them at twenty five Euros . Uh 592.42 595.08 601.97 605.57 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 592.352 594.215 592.37 593.85 Alright . Yeah . 593.38 593.85 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 606.937 616.432 607.03 616.21 the aim is to reach uh uh to sell as much as fifty million Euros . Uh that's quite a big amount of money . 613.2 616.21 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 617.308 621.92 617.39 621.75 And the production cost should be the half of the selling price . 621.75 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 625.863 627.244 626.09 627.17 So we have to s - TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 626.163 628.712 626.42 628.59 Okay now it's time for some discussion . 628.59 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 640.39 645.545 640.45 645.545 Okay . What uh what uh do you want to discuss ? 641.44 645.03 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 641.192 642.202 641.39 642.202 Uh - TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 643.472 644.864 643.49 644.864 Yeah . 644.67 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 643.51 647.387 643.51 647.31 Yeah . We should get started . 646.17 647.31 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 647.629 648.184 647.73 648.07 Yeah . 648.07 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 647.996 648.669 648.17 648.53 Yep . 648.53 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 650.956 655.333 651.22 655.12 Uh I'm taking notes . Um 654.28 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 652.62 653.791 652.7 653.61 Okay . Great . 653.33 653.61 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 656.729 675.18 656.89 675.1 we each have a specific task , as I saw in my mail . I didn't know if you received the same mail . Yeah ? Okay so the um uh this industrati Industrial Designer should produce a working design . Am I correct ? 659.51 661.64 663.98 664.93 674.52 675.1 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 661.371 662.179 661.58 662.0 Mm-hmm . 662.0 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 661.778 662.578 661.93 662.27 Yeah . 662.27 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 663.862 664.437 664.01 664.33 Yeah . 664.33 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 664.031 665.614 664.42 665.54 I guess so . Yeah . 665.03 665.54 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 676.051 676.859 676.18 676.73 True . 676.73 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 676.651 683.516 676.8 683.41 Okay . Uh the User Interface Designer should specify the technical functions . 677.97 683.41 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 684.358 699.308 684.42 699.308 Right ? Yeah ? And the Marketing uh Expert should come up with user requirements . Uh did any of you already do some work on this part or 684.94 686.35 694.11 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 684.611 685.284 684.8 685.2 Yep . 685.2 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 693.089 693.762 693.25 693.64 Yeah . 693.64 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 699.237 721.696 699.237 721.46 Well I started making an overview for myself , um what I had to do , 'cause we have three design steps and in every step I have a s specific task to perform or whatever . So I had to uh , I dunno , make an overview for myself about what I have to do , and kind of let it work in to get ideas about 703.29 704.59 712.2 713.95 714.54 717.8 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 708.753 709.283 708.89 709.19 Mm-hmm . 709.19 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 711.814 712.622 711.95 712.32 Mm-hmm . 712.32 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 716.023 716.648 716.1 716.59 Mm-hmm . 716.59 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 722.146 726.831 722.26 726.76 Mm-hmm . And do you have any ideas about the product uh so far ? 723.04 726.76 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 723.063 742.893 723.18 742.86 well how I have to fill it . Well I started I started with the first phase , I think was the functional . And uh let's see I had to focus on the working design , which you said . How does the apparatus work ? And well I basically had two points . 725.62 728.18 730.02 736.96 738.09 740.2 742.86 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 729.408 730.116 729.6 729.88 Mm-hmm . 729.88 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 736.85 737.624 737.06 737.47 Mm-hmm . 737.47 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 742.893 761.008 743.05 760.88 Uh according to the coffee uh machine example , I have batteries to supply energy , and we ye use button presses to activate or deactivate certain functions on the T_V_ . And that's basically all I have so far . 747.87 750.05 758.57 760.88 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 746.894 748.331 746.894 748.16 Yeah . 748.16 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 747.472 748.179 747.58 747.93 Yeah . 747.93 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 756.986 759.042 757.13 758.95 Mm-hmm . Okay . 758.53 758.95 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 760.824 770.252 760.92 770.03 Yeah I got another point . It uses infrared light to communicate the signal to the T_V_ apparatus or stereo . 762.46 770.03 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 764.704 766.879 764.72 766.58 Yeah . Wireless uh huh . 765.17 766.58 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 765.13 765.871 765.32 765.64 Yeah . 765.64 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 766.645 767.352 766.78 767.04 Yeah . 767.04 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 767.122 768.147 767.14 768.08 Alright . 768.08 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 770.304 770.832 770.34 770.65 Yeah . 770.65 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 770.551 772.1 770.75 771.88 So that's very common . 771.88 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 771.587 781.238 771.71 781.12 Uh it's uh some buttons for for the on off function . You d you already told that . And for the changing up to the to all the channels and changing the volume . 774.6 776.17 781.12 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 782.988 785.749 783.06 785.65 That are the the basic options for a remote control . 785.65 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 782.962 783.636 783.09 783.57 Yeah . 783.57 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 785.6 801.455 785.63 801.455 Yeah I kept it global 'cause that it activates or deactivates specific functions , 'cause I wasn't thinking yet about that . I mean , you wanna ch ch flip the channel but you might wanna use teletext also . I dunno what the word is in English . Uh 790.29 792.43 793.03 798.46 799.96 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 790.358 791.014 790.38 790.94 Okay , yeah . 790.79 790.94 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 793.589 794.302 793.67 794.08 Yeah . 794.08 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 797.172 797.534 797.26 797.43 Yep . 797.43 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 797.468 798.069 797.6 797.92 Yeah . 797.92 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 802.759 804.004 802.83 803.92 Same I believe . 803.92 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 803.84 804.87 803.93 804.87 Yeah . 804.75 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 807.045 810.16 807.18 809.99 Uh and what did the Marketing Expert do ? 809.99 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 810.096 843.645 810.12 843.54 Uh well from a marketing uh perspective , um well the function des design phase uh consists out of the user requirements . Um what needs and desires are to be fulfilled ? So there are a few means to reach that um by by doing research uh to see what existing products are there out in the market . I mean , what functions do they have . Um especially what are their shortcomings ? Are there any new functions uh which can be added to our product ? 814.21 819.69 823.52 833.4 833.79 835.76 838.41 843.54 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 819.21 819.917 819.36 819.77 Mm-hmm . 819.77 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 828.787 829.435 828.97 829.31 Mm-hmm . 829.31 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 834.498 835.196 834.7 835.09 Mm . 835.09 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 839.213 839.659 839.3 839.55 Mm-hmm . 839.55 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 842.763 843.503 842.92 843.2 Mm-hmm . 843.2 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 843.645 862.36 844.16 862.23 Um therefore we have to to do some internet search . For example for um well what kind of applications do current remote controls support , and what are f featur features of uh current and future televisions ? So we can see uh what needs to be supported . 848.71 854.49 859.44 862.23 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 848.389 849.059 848.53 848.98 Yep . 848.98 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 858.689 859.429 858.92 859.3 Yes . 859.3 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 862.36 886.703 862.46 886.55 Um and we can interview current users and future users . What w what would they like to see uh on a new remote control ? Um especially for future users , uh I'm thinking of early adopters , because they they use new technology first , and they play with a lot of tools and stuff so maybe they have some good ideas to uh to add . 867.0 871.61 874.53 877.13 880.22 886.55 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 867.861 868.484 867.92 868.39 Okay . 868.39 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 871.162 871.97 871.35 871.69 Okay . 871.69 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 879.801 880.499 879.95 880.32 Mm-hmm . 880.32 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 885.269 888.3 885.48 888.21 Okay . And you can get that information ? 886.38 888.21 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 888.192 890.353 888.43 890.29 I think I can get that information , yeah . 890.0 890.29 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 889.857 898.409 890.05 898.14 Okay . That would be very handy . Um but have you any idea so far as what uh the user requirements are ? 891.28 893.34 898.14 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 891.298 892.878 891.35 892.7 So yeah . 892.7 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 898.32 901.804 898.37 901.804 No n not specifically . More to how to get them and 900.16 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 900.129 900.592 900.24 900.55 No ? 900.55 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 901.433 928.928 901.433 928.8 I got some uh requirements it has uh it has to be user-friendly . Uh really easy to use buttons , not not uh very small buttons , but not the the also the big big buttons , but just normal buttons . It has to be a small unit . It has to be uh yeah , you can take it with you uh everywhere in in your house . So it has n has not to be l yeah , gigantic uh machine . 907.83 909.8 911.56 914.59 917.3 918.95 920.65 923.94 926.59 928.8 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 901.635 902.483 901.79 902.38 No okay . 902.38 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 903.291 903.965 903.46 903.7 Yeah ? 903.7 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 904.034 904.581 904.17 904.42 Yeah ? 904.42 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 905.783 907.197 905.783 907.1 Of course . 907.1 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 905.987 906.744 906.07 906.34 Yeah . 906.34 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 905.885 907.513 906.26 907.43 Yeah . Obviously . 906.9 907.43 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 928.128 929.434 928.17 929.32 Big , mm-hmm . 928.6 929.32 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 928.853 929.504 929.04 929.38 Yeah . 929.38 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 930.176 933.371 930.24 933.371 Uh and a and a good uh zapping range . 933.29 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 932.532 935.125 932.532 934.83 Uh what do you mean by that ? 934.83 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 934.708 935.347 934.86 935.21 Yeah . 935.21 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 934.844 945.744 935.05 945.744 Uh the distance uh from your television to your uh remote control has to be , uh yeah um yeah , quite a big distance . It has to be capable for zapping uh 939.41 941.52 942.83 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 942.784 943.339 942.8 943.28 Yeah . 943.28 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 945.855 948.768 945.88 948.62 From the other end of the room or something ? Yeah . 948.24 948.62 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 946.782 947.281 946.8 947.21 Yeah . 947.21 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 951.2 953.019 951.41 953.019 Okay um - TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 954.264 959.281 954.53 959.0 Well I don't think I have anything more to add at the moment . 959.0 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 962.615 963.759 962.76 963.52 Um - TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 964.87 967.968 965.08 967.84 I think the best is to go to work . 967.84 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 967.28 971.489 967.41 971.25 Whoa . Is that you or alright . 969.31 971.25 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 969.753 970.544 969.95 970.38 Yeah . 970.38 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 974.987 975.963 975.13 975.73 Okay . 975.73 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 975.839 978.016 976.05 977.85 Any more points to discuss ? 977.85 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 976.973 978.862 977.11 978.76 Yeah . I think 978.21 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 979.804 987.641 979.9 987.54 we can go ahead with what we have . I will summarise the things we discussed and put it in the project folder . 983.39 987.54 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 989.442 999.229 989.52 998.99 Uh the use of the Industrial Designer can work on the working design , etcetera etcetera . And it seems you get more information by email . 995.02 996.43 998.99 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 1000.352 1001.245 1000.49 1001.08 Alright . 1001.08 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 1000.434 1004.34 1000.51 1004.15 So that was it for me . 1004.15 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 1000.824 1001.792 1001.02 1001.68 Alright . 1001.68 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 1002.094 1002.7 1002.22 1002.64 Okay . 1002.64 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 1005.327 1006.464 1005.42 1006.38 'Kay . Thanks . 1005.74 1006.38 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 1007.404 1008.026 1007.49 1008.026 Uh - TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 1007.412 1009.597 1007.52 1009.597 Are you going to put the the notes on the - TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 1009.322 1021.912 1009.48 1021.56 Yeah , in the project folder . Yeah . I'm writing very fast . Hope it's readable . Okay um anything more you want to add to the discussion ? 1010.1 1011.57 1012.67 1015.33 1017.95 1021.56 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 1009.777 1011.797 1009.89 1011.43 Yeah . The pro okay . 1010.5 1011.43 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 1011.009 1012.086 1011.03 1012.086 Okay . 1012.02 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 1011.966 1013.111 1012.23 1013.06 Alright . 1013.06 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 1014.275 1015.083 1014.4 1015.083 Yeah . 1014.97 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 1014.526 1015.924 1014.75 1015.73 Yeah . Okay . 1015.32 1015.73 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 1016.814 1017.389 1016.93 1017.29 Uh . 1017.29 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 1016.918 1017.307 1017.02 1017.23 Yep . 1017.23 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 1018.464 1019.295 1018.49 1019.24 I guess so . 1019.24 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 1021.904 1027.152 1021.97 1027.1 Well no I'm just a bit wondering what we're gonna do the next uh - TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 1027.002 1031.413 1027.33 1031.34 Yeah . Do we only have to to do uh phase one , the functional design uh ? 1027.74 1029.95 1031.34 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 1028.028 1029.22 1028.29 1029.12 session ? 1029.12 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 1030.887 1033.083 1030.99 1033.083 Yeah . Because then we have a 1031.51 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 1033.12 1036.063 1033.14 1036.063 After that we are going to the conceptual uh - TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 1035.171 1050.875 1035.22 1050.77 Yeah . Y you do some individual work , we have meeting , individual work , meeting . And at the end of the day we have a final meeting . And then I have to prepare uh I have to defend our design , so make it good . I depend on you . 1036.33 1038.1 1038.96 1039.72 1040.14 1042.49 1046.87 1049.81 1050.77 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 1035.377 1037.843 1035.53 1037.8 Yeah . We're just working the three phases . 1036.19 1037.8 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 1048.085 1050.038 1048.15 1049.88 Yeah okay . We'll do our best . 1049.09 1049.88 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 1048.076 1051.773 1048.18 1051.773 Okay . Better make it 1049.81 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 1049.242 1050.216 1049.41 1049.94 Okay . 1049.94 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 1050.832 1068.162 1050.93 1068.162 I am gonna work on the conceptual design already 'cause yeah it's fairly important to know what kind of components we want to put in . Do we I mean , is it gonna be a multimedia control centre ? Do we want to be able to use the video recorder with it ? 1059.86 1060.98 1063.89 1068.09 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 1054.747 1057.109 1054.79 1056.98 Yeah ? If you can mix it it's okay . 1055.34 1056.98 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 1058.49 1059.991 1058.62 1059.91 Mm-hmm . Yeah . 1059.55 1059.91 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 1066.664 1072.176 1066.73 1072.176 Yeah . That is my question also because like new new functions 1067.59 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 1067.192 1067.843 1067.36 1067.7 Yeah . 1067.7 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 1070.553 1073.356 1070.61 1073.26 Well I think that is the user - TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 1073.893 1075.804 1073.96 1075.73 Requirements . Yeah . 1075.41 1075.73 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 1074.181 1080.222 1074.21 1080.222 requirements part . As to what they want . Uh do they want all those functions on that small 1076.36 1077.41 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 1076.552 1077.54 1076.78 1077.42 Yeah . True . 1077.14 1077.42 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 1078.966 1079.65 1079.09 1079.44 Yeah . 1079.44 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 1080.272 1090.256 1080.29 1090.09 But but we need good communication about this stuff , 'cause I have to f put the components into the design . So if I don't know what components to put in , it's kind of hard . 1082.63 1086.66 1089.3 1090.09 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 1080.784 1081.66 1080.8 1081.62 Unit . 1081.62 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 1081.917 1082.43 1081.98 1082.28 Yeah . 1082.28 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 1085.33 1085.905 1085.41 1085.81 Yeah . 1085.81 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 1085.965 1086.605 1086.06 1086.49 Mm-hmm . 1086.49 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 1086.292 1087.504 1086.42 1087.37 I would first m - TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 1087.902 1089.383 1088.0 1089.383 Yeah well I I was - TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 1089.219 1090.656 1089.29 1090.42 Yeah I understand . 1090.42 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 1089.394 1096.128 1089.62 1095.89 Yeah . I I think we have first to start with the basic functions and we can uh expand them . Yeah . 1089.78 1095.54 1095.89 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 1092.736 1123.234 1092.76 1123.234 Yeah well like l li like some like some some remotes who are out there , which I know , there's one button which is very easy to switch between devices . So you can switch to your video and then the same buttons control your video . And another function I'll think of switch to your media centre , because that's getting very popular . And then use your Windows media centre under your T_V_ with the same remote control . So with the switch , one single switch 1099.54 1100.61 1104.54 1109.79 1112.8 1115.13 1120.72 1122.04 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 1093.966 1096.155 1094.2 1096.155 You can always add a few - TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 1104.236 1104.966 1104.33 1104.66 Yeah . 1104.66 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 1106.543 1109.915 1106.72 1109.73 Hmm , the C_D_ player . Yeah . 1107.29 1109.35 1109.73 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 1109.393 1109.772 1109.51 1109.68 Yeah . 1109.68 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 1114.794 1115.995 1114.99 1115.995 Yeah so - TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 1119.931 1120.649 1120.26 1120.53 Yeah . 1120.53 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 1120.81 1121.652 1120.98 1121.33 Okay . 1121.33 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 1122.64 1145.431 1122.84 1145.18 Yeah I I know what you mean , but you'll ne need several other buttons for a video player . You need a play and a forw fast forward and a stop function . And you you don't need that for a T_V_ . And and for a t uh teletext you need additional buttons as well , so I kind of need to know what we uh need . 1124.02 1128.54 1131.61 1134.74 1141.44 1145.18 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 1122.837 1123.62 1122.96 1123.34 Okay . 1123.34 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 1127.762 1128.241 1127.83 1128.2 S - TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 1128.854 1129.519 1128.99 1129.46 Mm-hmm . 1129.46 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 1130.884 1133.258 1130.95 1133.1 Yeah records and stuff like that . 1133.1 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 1131.991 1132.883 1132.1 1132.7 Okay . 1132.7 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 1134.4 1134.848 1134.42 1134.81 No . 1134.81 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 1138.818 1140.406 1138.93 1140.34 You need additional yeah . 1140.34 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 1139.577 1140.386 1139.84 1140.2 Yeah . 1140.2 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 1141.39 1142.004 1141.46 1141.76 Yeah . 1141.76 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 1141.442 1143.765 1141.7 1143.765 Yeah . Uh 1142.84 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 1145.633 1146.34 1145.73 1146.06 Yeah . 1146.06 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 1146.96 1149.712 1146.98 1149.46 Whatever , I'll just put my ideas in uh 1147.17 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 1150.263 1151.004 1150.43 1150.74 Yeah . 1150.74 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 1150.912 1153.76 1150.93 1153.72 in here and then we can discuss it with the next uh - TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 1151.62 1153.007 1151.74 1153.007 In the project uh - TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 1153.876 1154.415 1153.94 1154.37 Yeah . 1154.37 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 1154.28 1170.576 1154.4 1170.48 Yeah . We could just start with the assumption that's only for T_V_ and video . And um reserve the possibility to add other features . So we have a basic starting point and you can always extend that so make sure it's extendible . Yeah . 1155.33 1159.78 1164.76 1170.08 1170.48 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 1156.703 1157.377 1156.85 1157.19 meeting . 1157.19 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 1163.237 1164.02 1163.35 1163.81 Okay . 1163.81 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 1164.669 1165.25 1164.81 1165.11 Okay . 1165.11 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 1169.636 1175.264 1169.75 1175.23 Yeah it it has yeah it has to be user-friendly . So it's hasn't it's yeah . 1172.86 1175.23 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 1169.688 1170.268 1169.81 1170.04 Yeah . 1170.04 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 1169.783 1170.575 1169.97 1170.47 Alright . 1170.47 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 1174.899 1180.748 1174.899 1180.71 Th the least amount of functions possible so it's easier to get to know how it works etcetera . 1180.71 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 1176.56 1177.174 1176.74 1176.99 Yeah . 1176.99 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 1177.965 1178.672 1178.08 1178.62 Okay . 1178.62 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 1179.159 1181.583 1179.39 1181.35 Yeah . I understand . Yeah . 1179.87 1181.14 1181.35 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 1179.799 1180.06 1179.83 1179.97 Yeah . 1179.97 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 1180.261 1180.864 1180.31 1180.83 Yeah . 1180.83 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 1181.638 1186.373 1181.72 1186.28 Yeah ? Okay and uh I'll see you again uh when the computer tells us to . 1182.58 1186.28 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 1182.526 1183.132 1182.67 1183.07 Alright . 1183.07 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 1182.718 1183.423 1182.75 1183.1 Yes . 1183.1 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 1186.51 1186.998 1186.56 1186.93 Yeah . 1186.93 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 1187.796 1197.456 1187.796 1197.23 Yeah , you're di dismissed . Not yet . Okay . 1190.13 1194.26 1196.72 1197.23 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 1188.532 1190.074 1188.57 1190.074 Can we leave now or - TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 1188.642 1190.056 1188.83 1189.6 Half an hour . 1189.6 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 1191.179 1194.553 1191.179 1194.553 Thanks . 1194.14 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 1191.627 1195.555 1191.627 1195.5 You're fired . No . 1195.0 1195.5 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 1196.059 1196.43 1196.14 1196.35 Mm . 1196.35 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 1195.846 1196.89 1196.22 1196.78 Alright . 1196.78 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 1196.699 1198.907 1196.87 1198.77 Alright let's move on . 1198.77 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 1200.379 1202.204 1200.58 1201.93 Let's see what we got to do . 1201.93 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 1202.12 1203.006 1202.35 1202.91 Yeah . 1202.91 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 1206.563 1208.347 1206.563 1207.74 See you later . 1207.74 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 1207.906 1209.512 1208.0 1209.44 Yeah see you later . 1209.44 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 1207.95 1208.573 1208.13 1208.48 Okay . 1208.48 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 1208.179 1208.621 1208.25 1208.5 Yeah . 1208.5 TS3006a B MTD023UID 1 1212.356 1213.526 1212.44 1212.62 Good luck . 1213.32 TS3006a A MTD021PM 0 1212.989 1214.588 1213.1 1214.49 Yeah . Thank you . 1213.65 1214.49 TS3006a D MTD024ME 3 1220.434 1222.273 1220.59 1221.33 Well good luck . 1222.09 TS3006a C MTD022ID 2 1226.452 1227.151 1226.58 1226.78 What the - TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 21.824 23.782 21.824 23.782 . 23.782 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 22.574 24.998 23.18 24.89 Hello . 24.89 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 29.916 30.589 30.12 30.52 'Kay . 30.52 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 31.316 35.154 31.5 35.09 You all saw the newsflash ? Or you got the same message ? 33.55 35.09 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 31.394 32.104 31.51 32.104 It's - TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 34.056 37.824 34.14 37.824 Yeah I I just saw it one minute ago . When I uh 37.01 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 36.016 38.036 36.016 37.8 Yeah sorry . 37.8 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 36.634 39.597 36.79 39.45 I don't know . I didn't see it yet I think . 37.88 39.45 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 39.376 41.65 39.376 41.55 Yeah . 41.55 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 39.488 42.677 39.51 42.32 Newsflash ? D did I miss something ? 40.15 42.32 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 40.655 41.262 40.75 41.15 Yeah . 41.15 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 41.975 50.359 42.29 50.359 Yeah I received an email so I thought I I can't mail you so I thought I'd just drop it in the folder , but 49.81 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 43.056 44.141 43.08 43.93 Yeah pretty much . 43.93 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 48.789 51.179 49.0 50.83 Hey what's wrong with my computer ? 50.83 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 50.202 51.33 50.52 51.17 Okay . 51.17 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 51.975 53.491 52.2 53.27 Is it unlocked ? 53.27 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 54.276 55.017 54.47 54.9 Mm . 54.9 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 54.736 57.744 54.736 57.744 . 57.744 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 54.707 55.311 54.94 55.22 No . 55.22 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 62.709 66.513 62.77 66.513 Yeah that's my presentation . 66.43 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 64.55 67.849 64.86 67.66 Woah . I uh kind of opened it . 65.08 67.66 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 65.499 66.24 65.77 66.08 Huh ? 66.08 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 65.569 66.207 65.86 66.04 Mm . 66.04 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 67.86 70.15 67.96 70.06 Mm ? Oh right . 69.05 70.06 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 68.563 69.775 68.8 69.775 What the - TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 68.96 69.97 69.06 69.97 Uh - TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 69.897 72.49 70.05 72.29 I think you have to uh change your desktop uh - TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 70.913 72.064 71.05 71.91 Okay . 71.91 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 73.408 73.984 73.43 73.95 size . 73.95 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 73.936 75.47 74.03 75.47 Ooh . 75.22 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 74.617 76.435 74.8 76.03 'Kay . Everybody ready ? 75.12 76.03 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 76.172 79.607 76.34 79.2 Not really . Sorry . 78.46 79.2 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 76.682 77.524 76.7 77.524 Well - TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 78.854 81.345 78.854 81.27 computer is uh not functioning ? 81.27 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 78.859 82.058 79.1 81.85 No no no . Yes yes yes . 80.63 81.85 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 83.618 84.998 83.79 84.63 Alright . 84.63 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 84.336 87.972 84.61 87.65 Okay . Where do I find this ? I'm not so g display huh ? 85.11 86.22 87.65 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 85.088 86.065 85.088 85.81 Okay . 85.81 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 88.903 90.317 89.02 90.26 Uh display . 90.26 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 91.562 94.391 91.7 94.27 And then uh settings ? 94.27 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 93.056 94.302 93.31 94.26 Appearance ? 94.26 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 93.498 94.239 93.66 93.94 Huh . 93.94 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 98.928 101.394 99.05 101.36 Mm I'm not sure I . 101.36 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 100.805 102.993 101.02 102.993 You read the newsflash ? 102.75 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 103.111 103.751 103.24 103.51 No . 103.51 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 103.439 108.254 103.62 108.09 'Kay . Can we get started or is there some pressing issue ? 104.42 108.09 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 103.629 105.379 103.85 105.17 No what was it about ? 105.17 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 104.055 104.614 104.27 104.51 Hmm . 104.51 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 106.76 109.555 106.88 109.1 Yeah my computer is not functioning properly . 109.1 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 108.961 115.392 109.07 114.99 Oh no pressing . Did you plug in the power cable when you come back ? 112.8 114.99 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 114.587 119.624 114.81 119.624 Yeah yeah . No but my screen is reduced in size . 115.28 119.28 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 118.166 122.004 118.166 121.76 Yeah . That's difficult . Yeah . 120.28 121.48 121.76 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 119.069 120.82 119.21 120.82 What ? 120.68 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 122.869 123.644 123.05 123.45 Yeah . 123.45 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 126.352 127.872 126.61 127.55 Feedback . 127.55 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 127.958 128.766 128.18 128.57 Hmm . 128.57 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 129.472 130.264 129.49 129.8 Okay . 129.8 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 131.388 132.263 131.43 131.89 Okay . 131.89 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 134.752 136.813 134.752 136.813 alt delete . 136.15 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 136.179 138.005 136.179 137.86 Yeah . 137.86 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 137.008 139.955 137.008 139.955 Format . 139.5 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 139.513 140.556 139.59 140.5 Format save . 140.5 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 140.247 141.763 140.247 141.763 . 141.763 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 145.987 148.141 146.08 147.79 So it doesn't draw the attention away . 147.79 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 147.492 149.378 147.73 148.93 This is dreadful . 148.93 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 147.811 148.518 147.95 148.33 Yeah . 148.33 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 150.368 153.133 150.39 152.91 I made uh uh my own map . 152.91 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 153.091 165.919 153.11 165.81 No not this , but the task . Yeah . No that's okay . No I just flapped it , closed it , took it here and then this happened . 153.86 156.37 158.41 161.05 163.14 164.1 165.81 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 153.231 156.531 153.43 156.33 Oh yeah sure . You have Playstation also ? 154.88 156.33 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 153.941 154.816 154.06 154.816 It's a - TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 156.223 156.845 156.48 156.58 Yeah . 156.58 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 173.456 179.076 173.51 178.99 Ah . Uh where was it ? In settings ? 176.61 178.09 178.99 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 181.769 191.668 182.12 191.47 Okay . Alright . Thank you . Do you guys like your tasks ? 183.31 184.74 189.8 191.47 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 188.162 189.004 188.37 188.78 Huh . 188.78 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 191.785 192.862 192.03 192.45 Yeah . 192.45 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 192.544 194.352 192.56 194.352 Yeah . 194.28 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 193.472 205.792 193.49 205.792 I spent a lot of time thinking about what I was gonna do and then a couple of minutes before this I get my function you know the information that I need . So frustrating . So 203.3 205.3 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 196.499 198.553 196.66 198.553 Yeah wa wa you actually - TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 201.428 202.103 201.6 201.98 Yeah . 201.98 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 202.886 203.626 203.06 203.4 Yeah . 203.4 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 203.401 208.182 203.59 207.77 But it it's not clear what you have to to to type uh type in your presentation . 207.77 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 205.936 213.088 205.96 212.48 Yeah . I I had a whole idea and then just was typing it and then oh . I have to do that so switch . 206.55 210.36 212.48 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 208.755 209.731 208.89 209.731 Yeah - TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 211.408 219.12 211.43 219.12 Yeah exactly . This presentation is mainly based on my own ideas 'cause I hadn't time to intergrate tha the information yet so 212.57 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 218.643 219.249 218.67 219.09 Mm . 219.09 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 218.77 219.713 219.05 219.65 Yeah . 219.65 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 220.125 221.405 220.26 221.14 Really annoying . 221.14 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 221.208 224.137 222.03 223.87 Okay . So there we are again . 222.67 223.87 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 223.808 225.377 223.84 225.22 By your humble P_M_ . 225.22 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 225.518 226.258 225.67 226.11 Yeah . 226.11 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 226.936 233.131 227.04 232.91 Okay this is the agenda . Um we have three presentations , I heard . 228.98 232.36 232.91 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 234.208 235.904 234.25 235.904 Really . 235.48 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 234.646 237.979 234.81 237.9 Yeah really . So who wants to start ? 235.84 237.9 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 238.827 240.679 239.01 240.44 Yeah that's fine . 240.44 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 240.746 241.588 240.98 241.22 Yeah . 241.22 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 241.318 243.54 241.54 243.54 We have to start it right away ? 243.13 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 243.299 246.296 243.42 246.23 Yeah . Uh this is you ? 244.63 246.23 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 244.483 247.884 244.58 247.17 Functional ? Yeah functional requirements . 245.71 247.17 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 248.282 248.727 248.5 248.69 'Kay . 248.69 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 248.692 249.466 248.79 249.19 Alright . 249.19 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 250.432 254.368 250.53 254.368 I'm gonna talk about functional requirements . Um 253.48 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 255.824 267.96 255.84 267.37 Well uh some research has be done uh has been done . Uh observing of one hundred uh subjects in the usability lab using a remote control . Uh and they also filled in a questionnaire . 259.53 265.21 267.37 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 267.96 286.104 268.93 285.77 The findings were um , well you can see them for yourself . They disliked the look-and-feel of current remotes controls . Users think they're ugly . Um they do not match the the operating behaviour of the users . So they they d they don't match what they want to have on it . 271.11 272.45 275.44 277.31 282.15 285.77 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 286.104 301.757 286.26 301.7 Um they are often lost somewhere in the room . Um it takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote control . And they're bad for R_S_I_ . I don't know uh how a user can reach that but okay . 289.98 294.43 298.18 301.7 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 301.757 325.712 301.78 325.712 Um there is also uh was also some research on uh the most relevant and and and irrelevant uh f functions . Uh most irrelevant and less used were audio settings , mono , stereo , uh pitch , bass . Um screen settings for brightness and colour and stuff like that . Um but they are used . I mean the 311.87 315.05 315.32 315.86 316.86 317.84 321.77 323.68 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 302.823 303.665 302.98 303.51 Ts - TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 325.262 327.35 325.31 327.35 So they do need to be in the - TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 326.8 340.972 326.82 340.91 Yeah they do need to be on the on the remote control . I mean if you can't control the the sound settings I mean if you dislike a very uh loud bass or something , you you need to change that . So um yeah we have to . We c we c 329.68 336.04 337.34 340.06 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 327.112 327.742 327.13 327.6 Yeah . 327.6 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 329.673 330.515 329.7 330.43 Alright . 330.43 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 337.436 339.414 337.436 338.91 often . 338.91 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 339.015 343.594 339.24 343.49 By the way my T_V_ doesn't have an equ equaliser but okay . 343.49 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 341.952 373.95 341.97 373.92 Yeah I mean w we can't my my T_V_ has , but we we can leave them uh away . Uh most relevant , uh most used functions , uh they speak for themselves I guess . Uh power button , uh channel , volume selection . Uh teletext but we can skip that because I saw the newsflash , and teletext is so outdated that it it's i should not be used uh any more in the future . So forget this one . Uh channel settings , so for programming uh your channels in in the right order . 345.19 349.1 350.16 351.22 353.45 354.75 355.49 357.39 362.03 367.24 369.4 370.93 373.92 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 342.861 346.384 342.861 346.384 Next generation does . 346.21 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 344.941 346.624 345.16 346.39 No . Alright . 345.87 346.39 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 364.21 366.264 364.84 365.79 N not used anymore . 365.79 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 368.846 369.889 369.07 369.48 Okay . 369.48 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 373.138 377.582 373.21 377.51 By the way where did you guys get that newsflash from ? I didn't get anything . 376.44 377.51 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 373.061 373.707 373.26 373.6 Yeah . 373.6 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 375.205 378.202 375.35 378.202 Yeah . I was wondering uh 376.99 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 376.323 379.69 376.53 379.69 Yeah , on on the project uh 376.8 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 377.51 378.386 377.63 378.06 Yeah . 378.06 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 379.362 382.796 379.63 382.796 Not by mail . I receiv the mail but you don't . So 380.57 382.21 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 382.336 387.264 382.36 386.77 No so it's a text file n in the project folder . So teletext can be skipped . 385.21 386.77 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 382.445 385.98 382.47 385.85 But you you've got more information than uh . 385.85 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 386.81 389.167 386.91 389.167 That's in the presentation , so 388.75 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 388.842 390.357 389.14 389.52 Alright . 389.52 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 389.296 405.904 389.34 405.87 Um there was some research on new features in a remote control . Uh about an L_C_D_ screen uh and speech recognition . Well we got an update for the for the audience . Or the the the targeted group . So it's above forty I guess . 393.36 397.83 402.12 404.16 405.87 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 406.44 410.682 406.61 410.39 Uh below I believe . Yeah below forty . 409.47 410.39 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 407.07 411.953 407.17 411.77 The new product ? Or below because that's pretty relevant . 408.59 411.77 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 411.761 412.536 411.99 412.27 Mm-hmm . 412.27 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 413.28 414.998 413.3 414.998 I thought I read a - TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 414.118 423.782 414.27 423.43 Our current customers are in the age group forty plus . And the new product should reach new markets , which is the customers below forty . 418.47 421.69 423.43 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 417.856 418.731 417.96 418.37 Yeah ? 418.37 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 422.064 449.056 422.12 449.056 Below ? Okay well that's that's in the newsfla okay that's a good to know . Um because you see see a clear distinction between the age groups , concerning the features . I mean uh above forty people are not so interested uh not so interested in a screen or speech recognition . Uh but below that age they uh they pretty much are . So I think we can build that in . Um 423.32 428.28 432.44 433.69 442.04 445.69 448.3 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 423.824 426.046 423.97 425.84 But where did you get uh that information ? 425.84 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 424.893 426.206 425.1 426.17 That's in a newsflash . 426.17 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 426.789 430.856 427.0 430.58 Okay . Yeah . 430.24 430.58 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 450.736 462.075 451.18 461.87 Yeah well we can skip this part as well , because I thought I read above forty so we could skip the features , but we just have to build them in because uh they find it very interesting . 453.5 457.85 461.87 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 462.075 480.864 462.44 480.864 Um well we have to keep all the classic functions but make the buttons as user-friendly as possible . Um and and also there's so not only the design of the bus uh buttons but o how you can push them , and stuff like that . So the physical uh aspect of it . Um 469.13 476.34 477.28 479.98 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 481.888 503.008 482.02 503.008 And I think and certainly for for the for the lower age groups , uh nice design , which uh does not make the remote control in your room . It's it's actually a part of your interior , of of your design in your room . So it's the people can say , well what's that , well that's my remote control , so it's d it has to look nice and feel nice , and and have all the functions that uh 485.09 486.77 489.85 492.15 494.12 496.35 497.05 498.34 501.18 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 489.972 490.648 490.24 490.48 Yeah . 490.48 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 498.568 499.362 498.93 499.19 Yeah . 499.19 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 502.177 505.073 502.35 504.93 But it also needs to have corporate identity . 504.93 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 505.184 510.336 505.2 510.3 Yeah so the the logo has to be uh present yeah , and the colours as well . 509.28 510.3 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 507.564 509.012 507.72 508.85 Present and the colours . 508.85 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 509.461 512.278 509.461 512.08 So we can't change much of that . 512.08 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 511.697 514.121 511.96 513.48 Do we have uh yeah . 513.48 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 512.15 529.692 512.35 529.51 Yeah so but I I don't think that's that's a problem because the thing has to have a colour anyway , and most of the times there is a brand present on it . So I think that's not gonna gonna affect it very uh very much . Well that are the the consequences uh on a marketing uh part . 517.95 520.71 525.51 529.51 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 515.666 516.768 516.28 516.54 Mm-hmm . 516.54 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 517.665 518.911 517.83 518.79 Mm-hmm . Yeah . 518.46 518.79 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 520.797 521.571 521.02 521.29 Yeah . 521.29 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 522.515 523.29 522.72 523.21 Okay . 523.21 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 530.467 531.544 530.64 531.46 Alright . 531.46 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 530.715 531.216 530.78 531.13 Yes . 531.13 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 531.022 532.208 531.022 531.92 'Kay . 531.92 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 531.21 532.085 531.36 532.02 Okay . 532.02 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 533.117 537.258 533.25 536.93 It's open already so you can use to - TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 535.387 535.824 535.387 535.824 . 535.824 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 539.232 539.968 539.26 539.93 Mm . 539.93 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 539.683 540.861 539.72 540.66 find yours . 540.66 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 541.647 542.616 541.79 542.616 It's - TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 543.858 544.767 544.07 544.59 F_ five . 544.59 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 544.928 545.804 545.03 545.74 F_ five . 545.74 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 546.944 547.656 546.96 547.48 Okay . 547.48 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 549.428 559.975 549.428 559.975 Go Jurgen . You pressed alt F_ four ? 557.35 559.61 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 549.584 550.288 549.6 550.02 Oh . 550.02 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 552.639 555.467 552.82 555.467 What is this ? Oh no . 554.35 555.27 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 556.578 557.656 556.72 557.656 How do I uh - TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 558.801 561.09 558.93 560.82 No no no . I pressed the mouse button . 559.5 560.82 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 561.011 563.499 561.16 563.499 Oh great . 562.79 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 562.447 564.872 562.56 564.61 It's th that's the self-destruct button . 564.61 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 564.111 569.26 564.111 569.02 Yeah . Uh maybe you can do it from your computer so talk us through it . 565.28 569.02 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 564.436 566.153 564.62 566.08 Yeah . Okay . 565.46 566.08 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 566.995 571.024 567.16 571.024 Okay . Um if you all go stand around uh 567.69 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 567.118 570.115 567.3 570.05 Yeah . Just yeah . 568.42 570.05 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 570.304 571.314 570.48 571.314 Yeah . 571.21 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 571.668 572.227 571.69 572.227 Computer - TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 571.597 572.304 571.8 572.24 Sure . 572.24 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 572.059 573.203 572.08 572.79 Alright . 572.79 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 573.824 576.272 573.84 576.272 Um - TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 574.196 576.752 574.58 576.752 That's nice . 576.39 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 577.668 578.375 577.92 578.09 No . 578.09 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 578.742 580.055 578.93 579.98 F_ five . Yeah . 579.63 579.98 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 579.172 580.788 579.29 580.67 Yeah . Alright . 580.05 580.67 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 579.756 580.698 579.96 580.43 Okay . 580.43 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 581.232 597.289 581.25 597.16 I uh had uh two examples . Um this one is the the yeah the advanced one with a lot of options and functions and buttons . This the easy one I think we have to to combine them . And uh yeah merge the best functions of all examples . 584.14 590.3 594.1 597.16 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 583.321 584.062 583.51 583.79 Mm-hmm . 583.79 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 589.011 589.954 589.22 589.83 Mm-hmm . 589.83 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 590.214 590.989 590.42 590.72 Yeah . 590.72 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 593.413 594.053 593.52 593.96 Yeah . 593.96 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 593.523 594.264 593.74 594.17 Mm-hmm . 594.17 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 594.079 594.853 594.25 594.61 Mm-hmm . 594.61 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 596.721 597.563 596.92 597.47 Yeah . 597.47 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 598.256 603.956 598.28 603.956 Um but yeah the the age is uh under forty ? So we 603.48 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 602.158 603.74 602.32 603.42 The mm yeah . 603.42 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 602.848 612.744 602.87 612.45 Yeah and and and marketing research stated that that that kind of users are not afraid of of a lot of functions . So not not too much but yeah . 610.34 612.45 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 608.714 614.813 608.83 614.28 Okay so so we have the option for more functions . Um yeah . 612.63 614.28 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 614.868 620.727 615.04 620.22 And we do have to integrate the screen and the the speech alright . 620.22 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 617.794 619.781 617.95 619.51 And the speech recognition yeah . 619.51 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 619.262 620.003 619.262 619.84 Yeah . 619.84 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 619.257 620.032 619.54 619.86 Yeah . 619.86 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 621.008 628.921 621.03 628.921 Uh yeah this this one we can remove for kids . It's just only for adults so uh we can uh use some advanced options . But 624.4 628.59 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 628.004 630.698 628.2 630.39 Yeah from age of sixteen so yeah . 630.39 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 629.697 646.192 629.72 646.15 Yeah but I prefer we we uh use the the basic options uh yeah . We have to to make them very easy so for just uh zapping around the channels you can just push one button . But if you want to to use your your video recorder or something else , you should use use an uh an advanced option . 633.84 639.75 643.5 646.15 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 635.614 636.557 635.86 636.47 Mm . 636.47 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 636.197 637.409 636.37 637.05 Mm-hmm . 637.05 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 639.378 640.152 639.59 639.89 Mm-hmm . 639.89 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 646.272 653.584 646.29 653.45 Yeah but uh the the newsflash also stated that it should control only one device , only your television . So w 651.1 652.95 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 650.842 662.145 650.92 662.0 Okay one device . Okay . I didn't see . Okay and I also uh yeah . W yeah . We have to make it fashionable . Like you uh said uh before . 652.46 653.17 654.11 658.44 659.01 660.48 662.0 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 652.06 655.393 652.24 655.19 Yeah . So n it's very easy . Now yeah it's okay . 652.78 654.11 655.19 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 654.417 657.279 654.58 657.279 So there are not extra options in this case , but uh 656.9 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 656.774 657.514 656.94 657.39 Okay . 657.39 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 660.242 661.117 660.46 661.01 Yeah . 661.01 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 660.376 661.083 660.5 660.81 Yeah . 660.81 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 663.184 668.64 663.2 668.49 Uh yeah the basic functions . Um yeah only use a extra function if they are really needed . 664.92 668.49 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 668.524 671.519 668.7 670.81 Yeah so maybe you can hide them or something . 670.81 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 668.659 669.434 668.76 669.17 Yeah . 669.17 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 670.563 671.64 670.77 671.03 Yeah . 671.03 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 670.928 689.725 670.95 689.64 Yeah well what what we can do with the screen is is all the the configuration options , you can put that in the screen . And the and the yeah screen menu to to to uh to do that , and then the basic function just on the device itself . So it looks very simple and all the advanced features are hidden in the screen , uh with a clear menu . 675.27 676.87 681.41 684.52 688.26 689.64 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 676.755 679.28 676.85 678.75 Yeah you make a screen menu or something . 678.75 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 678.705 679.333 678.86 679.05 Yeah . 679.05 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 680.428 681.404 680.52 681.16 Yeah . 681.16 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 684.533 685.341 684.73 685.23 Mm-hmm . 685.23 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 687.799 694.331 687.99 694.05 Yeah and the other oth other uh functionality is the screen . What does the screen do ? 692.91 694.05 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 687.581 688.591 688.02 688.4 Yeah . 688.4 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 695.038 698.423 695.038 698.423 Did I uh did I break it ? 697.87 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 695.242 697.161 695.35 697.11 Uh . What are wh 696.39 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 695.756 696.564 695.81 696.43 Alright . 696.43 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 696.216 698.54 696.4 698.21 Yeah . It's low power . 697.22 698.21 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 699.855 701.75 700.01 701.54 What . 701.54 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 701.235 707.329 701.31 707.27 So what does the screen do ? They said they needed it but what does it do ? What do they want with the screen ? 703.14 705.28 707.27 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 706.47 708.793 706.67 708.68 For for the advanced functions I think . 708.68 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 708.474 711.706 708.63 711.706 Yeah that's what we make it up . So but what did the marketing 710.08 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 708.407 718.56 708.67 718.51 Yeah well it yeah it didn't it didn't say what they want to do with the screen . Well I , my guess is it's it's pretty handy for advanced uh advanced functions . 714.07 714.59 718.51 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 713.086 713.827 713.19 713.67 No . 713.67 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 716.891 720.393 717.05 720.393 Yeah okay it's handy . With no predefined uh 718.56 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 718.438 720.66 718.58 720.66 Like searching for channels and - TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 720.217 722.608 720.37 722.41 Yeah searching for channels , programming them . 721.41 722.41 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 720.653 721.36 720.79 721.21 Ah look . 721.21 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 721.764 724.346 721.96 724.346 We have your uh oh never mind . 724.02 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 721.791 722.493 722.1 722.3 Yeah . 722.3 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 723.187 726.016 723.58 726.016 We're back online . 725.48 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 723.96 727.596 724.05 727.596 Okay . That's uh I'm al I'm almost finished so 724.92 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 728.448 749.017 728.448 748.89 Um the we have to to to watch out for the i if we make it f very fashionable , it it the functional functionality will go down . So we have to make uh a compromise between functionality and fashional fashionable yeah content and form . Now that that was uh was the end . Yes . 734.32 738.08 746.49 748.65 748.89 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 728.388 730.176 728.63 730.176 Okay . 729.97 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 741.923 744.179 742.05 744.02 Mm-hmm . Content and form . 742.82 744.02 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 743.988 744.998 744.27 744.85 Yeah . 744.85 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 744.619 745.461 744.619 745.461 . 745.461 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 745.627 749.667 745.8 749.47 Yeah . That was the end . Okay . 747.18 748.75 749.47 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 748.08 748.65 748.1 748.45 Yeah . 748.45 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 748.448 755.232 748.47 755.232 Okay . Well my presentation is a bit uh sucky . 749.93 755.05 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 755.047 757.404 755.18 757.24 Well you can improvise right ? 757.24 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 755.616 758.309 755.73 758.07 Uh which one is it ? Technical functions ? 756.64 758.07 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 756.929 760.465 757.2 760.4 Yeah a little bit . Uh no . 758.95 760.4 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 758.781 759.555 758.98 759.41 This one ? 759.41 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 761.344 762.889 761.51 762.71 No no . 762.71 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 765.346 766.794 765.44 766.58 Functional requirements ? 766.58 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 766.864 769.168 766.88 769.168 Yeah I think that would be it then . 768.85 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 769.218 769.723 769.29 769.57 No . 769.57 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 769.626 771.546 769.85 771.546 So we we can go for - TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 770.304 771.475 770.32 771.21 I have no idea . 771.21 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 770.397 772.08 770.55 772.08 You didn't put it in ? Or 771.82 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 772.0 775.195 772.1 775.04 That w . Let me check . 774.27 775.04 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 774.096 777.76 774.096 777.76 it's not really English . 777.59 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 776.441 777.451 776.56 777.32 I know . 777.32 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 779.374 782.875 779.71 782.8 Uh kick off . Oh working design I got it . 781.4 782.8 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 783.216 783.882 783.24 783.71 Yeah . 783.71 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 784.254 789.945 784.38 789.58 So we can go for the look-and-feel of the the left example , and then a screen on top of it . 787.4 789.58 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 792.202 793.077 792.36 792.74 Here you go . 792.74 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 793.579 796.273 793.6 795.97 Alright how do I uh skip pages ? 795.97 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 795.434 798.835 795.68 798.77 Just uh press uh yeah . Yeah . 798.29 798.77 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 797.438 813.154 797.69 812.88 The keys yeah ? Alright . Um yeah well I was working on this before I got my information . So I was just working off the top of my head and using my colin common knowledge about uh remote controls . 799.83 800.47 805.41 812.88 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 798.16 798.833 798.31 798.71 Yeah . 798.71 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 807.279 808.02 807.57 807.83 Mm-hmm . 807.83 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 813.154 833.793 813.29 833.63 And well the info on the website which came too late . Um so I didn't really know what kind of functions we had to put into it yet . So uh uh this is basically an overview of what we discussed in our last uh meeting . Those were my uh starting points . 817.01 823.51 831.42 833.63 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 815.528 816.269 815.73 816.03 Mm-hmm . 816.03 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 823.373 824.047 823.54 823.83 Mm-hmm . 823.83 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 832.469 833.28 832.8 833.23 Mm-hmm . 833.23 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 833.793 866.233 834.19 866.16 Uh I was working on a s yeah on a schedule , and I was supposed to do it like this . But um yeah then uh the information came and it was kind of exact with all the steps in the remote control that I had to follow , so I was trying to organise them for myself . And then make the the design , a the actual design , but I never came around to do that . So I'm not really sure what I'm supposed to say about it . 838.64 842.61 851.5 855.05 858.38 859.73 862.19 866.16 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 851.773 852.412 851.96 852.2 Mm . 852.2 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 856.82 859.076 857.02 858.73 Design ? Yeah . 858.4 858.73 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 857.512 858.993 857.59 858.85 Design yeah . 858.85 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 862.308 863.218 862.44 863.12 Okay . 863.12 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 866.233 902.08 866.27 902.08 I mean everything speaks for itself I guess . Mean you press a button um the it tru goes , it sends a signal to a chip , which uh translates it into infrared signal of certin spatial frequencies . And uh or temporal fr frequencies actually . And then uh through a uh transformer , it the signal gets boosted and then sent to the to the receiver on the T_V_ and the T_V_ will translate it into a function . Um 868.72 874.2 876.11 882.36 885.15 888.98 901.35 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 870.34 871.081 870.5 870.82 Mm-hmm . 870.82 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 880.657 882.61 880.91 882.29 Yeah frequency . Yeah . 881.99 882.29 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 880.845 881.592 881.05 881.36 Mm-hmm . 881.36 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 889.363 890.777 889.57 890.62 Yeah decoder . 890.62 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 903.047 904.663 903.047 904.48 Yeah well this was - TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 905.539 910.88 905.65 910.88 actually all I got around to do . I mean I dunno if I'm too slow for this stuff , but uh 908.31 910.37 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 905.939 909.06 905.939 908.78 Blank . Yeah okay . 908.09 908.78 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 906.538 909.097 906.538 908.72 Yeah . 908.72 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 907.305 909.224 907.305 908.99 Yeah . 908.99 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 910.305 912.861 910.305 912.46 Work harder . 912.46 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 912.384 916.352 912.4 916.352 Okay shou should we make a list of the of all the functions we want uh - TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 913.013 914.865 913.07 914.22 Yeah . Whatever . 913.86 914.22 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 915.674 916.415 915.85 916.26 Yeah . 916.26 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 917.055 917.93 917.18 917.93 Uh - TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 916.968 919.662 917.18 919.46 Yeah we want to incorporate in uh into it . 919.46 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 918.315 919.089 918.65 918.88 Yeah . 918.88 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 921.336 943.296 921.44 943.25 'Kay . Um for those that didn't see yet um the basic new requirements of the management were no teletext , only for T_V_ . Uh it should be designed for a use g uh group below forty , but I don't think it's w wrong if we can uh target the current customer group as well . 922.02 931.24 933.2 937.2 943.25 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 943.246 944.054 943.34 943.67 Mm . 943.67 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 944.342 950.975 944.48 950.69 And uh the corporate identity should be clear in the design of the remote control . 950.69 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 951.84 963.871 951.86 963.71 And we have to decide on the functions , and on the , let's see what was it , uh the target group . We have to make be clear what that is . 954.29 957.97 959.82 961.13 963.71 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 964.272 973.712 964.272 973.712 group of users , or because it says below forty I mean . I guess that's that's the tar yeah uh or male and female 965.5 969.92 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 965.487 966.632 965.62 966.41 Yeah users . 966.41 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 968.846 972.146 969.01 972.146 Yeah so I think it's easy but - TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 971.735 975.473 971.81 975.473 But uh it's it's also for children or just uh - TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 974.709 986.46 974.99 986.46 Uh six the marketing research started on s on the age of sixteen . Sixteen to twenty five , twenty five to thirty five , thirty five to forty five , something like that . So um 979.9 981.1 982.92 984.09 985.63 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 974.94 978.341 975.06 978.341 Yeah it's below forty so we can decide where to - TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 977.156 977.863 977.23 977.73 Okay . 977.73 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 980.187 980.927 980.24 980.88 Okay . 980.88 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 982.314 983.156 982.47 982.99 Okay . 982.99 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 985.657 1001.549 985.85 1001.41 So below forty is okay . But we need an lower level which to s uh focus . So is it from sixteen to forty ? Is it from twenty to forty ? Is it from thirty ? Yeah ? 'Kay . 988.43 994.16 996.59 998.55 1000.21 1001.12 1001.41 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 993.209 994.287 993.34 993.95 How do you mean ? 993.95 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 998.327 1008.462 998.63 1008.3 Uh sixteen to forty . Well I I guess people of sixteen are are quite used to technology . So they they adapt to it pretty soon I guess . 1000.62 1006.12 1008.3 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 999.645 1001.8 999.84 1001.8 Yeah . We we have to 1000.88 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1005.219 1006.128 1005.51 1005.86 Yeah . 1005.86 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1007.674 1012.976 1007.99 1012.94 And if we have a larger public we have uh yeah more options to to uh sell our product . 1012.94 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1011.001 1012.367 1011.5 1012.16 Yeah . 1012.16 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1013.184 1040.56 1013.68 1040.43 Yeah so what we might wanna do is uh yeah cust I have customised the screen functions , if you know what I mean . The uh younger users are more acquainted with these kind of machines so they can use more advanced functions . But maybe elderly people don't understand it so well , so they need a simpler remote . And yeah that you can choose what the design displays , or wha whatever . 1019.82 1021.02 1030.08 1033.39 1035.79 1039.49 1040.43 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1020.924 1021.766 1021.2 1021.5 Mm-hmm . 1021.5 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1035.032 1037.288 1035.25 1037.21 Design . Mm . 1036.59 1037.21 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1039.712 1056.308 1039.73 1056.308 Yeah that's that's why uh I wanted to to make yeah two uh different uh yeah groups of functions . The the simple functions for for the the whole public , and the the advanced options for the younger people yeah who are more yeah experienced with uh 1046.27 1049.76 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1049.244 1050.018 1049.51 1049.82 Yeah . 1049.82 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1052.926 1053.667 1053.1 1053.45 Mm-hmm . 1053.45 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1054.208 1056.36 1054.208 1056.17 And maybe y - TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1054.328 1055.708 1054.47 1055.4 Experienced yeah . 1055.4 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1054.889 1060.243 1055.07 1060.14 But uh all incorporated in the screen or or just on the remote itself ? 1060.14 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1058.194 1058.968 1058.46 1058.74 Na - TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1059.654 1066.051 1059.75 1065.98 I w I should uh put uh the the yeah the extra advanced options on the onto the onscreen display . 1065.98 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1065.92 1075.054 1065.94 1074.99 Yeah like like you have a visual of the of the brightness with with a kind of sliding bar and a bus and and stuff like that for sound and and vis and and visuals ? 1074.99 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1066.256 1066.963 1066.44 1066.68 Yeah . 1066.68 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1069.435 1070.079 1069.64 1069.98 Yeah . 1069.98 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1069.926 1071.71 1070.04 1071.59 Yeah . Yeah . 1071.03 1071.59 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1074.503 1081.035 1074.67 1081.035 So is you should have a menu for all the the functions you don't use regular and which are - TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1077.411 1084.496 1077.62 1084.496 Uh you can make a if you make a drawing . Uh 1083.95 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1079.587 1080.395 1079.83 1080.21 Yeah . 1080.21 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1081.57 1083.826 1081.67 1083.63 Yeah . Aye yeah . 1083.03 1083.63 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1085.712 1086.816 1085.75 1086.76 Uh . 1086.76 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1086.621 1087.9 1086.87 1087.9 Shall I uh - TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1089.398 1092.26 1089.57 1092.18 Uh black's okay . 1092.18 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1094.329 1099.6 1094.329 1099.56 And draw it very big . Oh . Yeah . 1097.67 1099.18 1099.56 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1097.867 1099.18 1098.04 1098.84 Yeah . It's okay . 1098.39 1098.84 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1100.304 1103.052 1100.304 1103.052 no , it doesn't have line control , so 1100.66 1102.69 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1102.731 1103.674 1103.05 1103.42 Yeah . 1103.42 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1105.274 1106.823 1105.41 1106.823 Yeah we get the - TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1106.48 1119.17 1106.48 1118.99 Yeah well , this is basically uh it's alright the remote ? Um well usually the power button is on top I guess . 1108.25 1112.91 1118.99 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1110.24 1111.193 1110.26 1110.9 The remote ? 1110.9 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1111.047 1112.899 1111.26 1112.68 The remote , yeah ? 1112.34 1112.68 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1113.976 1114.717 1114.08 1114.65 Basic . 1114.65 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1116.703 1117.613 1116.87 1117.54 Is on top . 1117.54 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1118.421 1121.451 1118.6 1121.29 Which should be easy , easily reached with the thumb . 1119.86 1121.29 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1121.325 1125.433 1121.62 1125.02 Yeah so it should fit right in into your hand . 1125.02 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1122.647 1125.779 1122.76 1125.66 Yeah . L left top or right uh top ? 1123.79 1125.66 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1126.352 1138.234 1126.37 1138.0 Right . Right . I most people are right-handed so maybe left-handed special addition , but okay . If you put it like like here . Or something . I dunno . 1127.74 1128.06 1132.9 1134.26 1136.64 1137.52 1138.0 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1126.299 1130.744 1126.38 1130.68 T I s should said right . Because yeah . 1128.94 1130.68 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1127.269 1128.515 1127.37 1128.01 Right top . 1128.01 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1127.354 1128.584 1127.52 1128.08 Yeah , right . 1127.82 1128.08 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1129.775 1130.597 1129.98 1130.41 Okay . 1130.41 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1129.761 1131.444 1130.11 1131.13 Yeah definitely . 1131.13 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1139.376 1145.44 1139.4 1145.39 Um then you could put a screen , like on a mobile phone , also on top I guess . 1142.29 1143.99 1145.39 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1145.439 1146.247 1145.58 1146.16 Mm-hmm . 1146.16 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1145.457 1152.96 1145.64 1152.92 Yeah but if you are using the the normal functions , the the basic functions , you normally press them on the u yeah . 1148.52 1149.73 1152.92 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1150.725 1164.025 1150.95 1163.88 Do the also with the thumb . So it should be a little bit longer so that you can put your uh thumb , also reach the middle . Or you should screen at the bottom and then you can see it very clearly . 1153.27 1158.95 1160.3 1163.88 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1163.776 1175.657 1163.8 1175.51 Okay so y yeah you have you have it in your hand , and the screen is below , and the buttons are in the middle . Okay for example if you put the screen here , it's more about the functions now than the than the layout . 1166.36 1168.28 1170.04 1172.75 1175.51 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1165.663 1168.558 1165.76 1168.558 You you need to be able to hold it so - TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1167.838 1168.763 1168.33 1168.66 Yeah . 1168.66 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1169.871 1170.78 1170.04 1170.42 Yeah . 1170.42 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1174.484 1177.447 1174.64 1177.447 Yeah okay that's true . Layout . That's for the 1175.83 1176.6 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1176.648 1180.082 1176.78 1179.84 Doesn't work too well . It's uh it's bent . 1177.84 1179.84 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1179.838 1181.588 1180.21 1181.588 I can't help it . 1181.46 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1181.193 1182.809 1181.193 1182.809 . 1182.809 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1181.971 1183.418 1182.16 1183.418 You broke it . 1183.34 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1183.07 1184.147 1183.26 1184.147 Yeah . 1183.99 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1186.144 1186.782 1186.16 1186.52 Yeah . 1186.52 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1187.184 1188.112 1187.184 1188.112 . 1188.112 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1188.72 1190.755 1188.72 1190.65 Right . 1190.65 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1188.659 1190.006 1188.78 1190.006 Man . 1189.31 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1191.24 1193.395 1191.37 1193.395 Yeah okay . 1193.34 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1192.112 1195.888 1192.13 1195.888 Okay you get it . Uh for example if y if you put all the 1193.57 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1199.2 1199.824 1199.22 1199.78 Right . 1199.78 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1204.337 1207.435 1204.46 1207.31 You want the normal piece of paper ? And you have a pen ? 1206.26 1207.31 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1207.505 1208.346 1207.64 1208.1 Yeah . 1208.1 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1208.657 1210.408 1208.87 1209.93 And might be easier huh ? 1209.93 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1209.053 1213.094 1209.22 1212.92 Maybe this . kind of works . 1212.11 1212.92 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1213.159 1213.832 1213.37 1213.61 Yeah ? 1213.61 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1214.398 1215.812 1214.63 1215.71 Like if you have - TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1216.72 1224.117 1216.74 1224.05 like uh ten buttons for for all the for all the channels , um and here one for for 1221.69 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1219.445 1220.514 1219.97 1220.29 Mm-hmm . 1220.29 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1221.794 1225.329 1221.83 1225.09 Uh . And the for flipping up and down . 1223.26 1225.09 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1224.544 1227.47 1224.56 1227.24 Yeah yeah . And volume control . 1226.02 1227.24 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1226.642 1239.942 1226.78 1239.942 Yeah that that usually uh like here , here , here , here . So you have up and down for the for the channels , and left and right for the volume uh 1231.12 1231.73 1232.65 1233.88 1237.93 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1229.398 1230.408 1229.65 1230.408 Yeah I - TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1233.261 1234.204 1233.54 1233.94 Yeah . 1233.94 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1233.846 1234.5 1234.03 1234.33 Yeah . 1234.33 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1237.551 1238.965 1237.66 1238.79 And left to right . 1238.79 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1239.504 1241.962 1239.53 1241.76 And those can also be used for the menu . 1241.76 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1241.936 1249.615 1242.21 1249.45 Yeah exactly . I thought but this is really your department , that we need just the functional display and four cursors . 1242.95 1245.55 1249.45 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1243.107 1243.881 1243.27 1243.63 Yeah . 1243.63 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1245.127 1245.834 1245.31 1245.69 Yeah . 1245.69 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1247.432 1248.341 1247.66 1248.07 Yeah . 1248.07 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1248.398 1252.438 1248.48 1252.438 Yeah okay but this is function so if you can use them for multiple things - TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1249.415 1277.55 1249.74 1277.31 And you you have most of the time you have one button in the middle . It says menu , and then if you press it you the screen gets activated and then you can use these buttons to scroll up and down and left and right to go into functon and then just mo most of the time this menu button is also like okay , to to confirm a a kind of action . So you scroll into it , okay . You select a function like v like uh bass . 1254.1 1255.5 1269.51 1271.58 1273.94 1274.84 1277.31 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1250.39 1251.164 1250.55 1251.164 And - TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1252.018 1252.989 1252.26 1252.85 Yeah okay . 1252.85 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1254.156 1255.637 1254.18 1255.45 For the menu . Yeah . 1255.17 1255.45 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1260.822 1261.563 1260.9 1261.5 Mm-hmm . 1261.5 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1260.894 1261.534 1261.06 1261.27 Yeah . 1261.27 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1265.031 1265.772 1265.18 1265.56 Yeah . 1265.56 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1270.731 1271.425 1270.9 1271.18 Yeah . 1271.18 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1277.55 1294.235 1277.94 1293.89 You just adjust it with these two buttons . Then okay to confirm , and then uh on on each on each screen there's there should be an option to go back to a to a upper level . And then finally say okay , exit . Or or one button to exit it . 1280.82 1282.2 1290.35 1291.52 1292.12 1293.89 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1279.861 1280.467 1279.92 1280.23 Yeah . 1280.23 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1290.303 1291.044 1290.48 1290.75 Mm-hmm . 1290.75 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1293.898 1295.009 1294.14 1294.59 Yeah . 1294.59 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1294.235 1302.118 1294.52 1302.118 Uh in one time I dunno , that's not really my department . That's more your uh your department to to uh to 1295.85 1298.6 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1298.566 1304.638 1298.566 1304.638 And do we need a a logo on our uh remote control , or 1304.2 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1303.915 1311.828 1304.2 1311.828 Yeah . But it should be if the screen is here then the logo should be like on on top , yeah . I mean it's uh 1304.95 1310.07 1310.89 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1304.22 1304.859 1304.31 1304.69 Yeah . 1304.69 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1308.593 1310.478 1308.77 1310.4 On the left uh top yeah . 1310.4 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1311.488 1312.297 1311.65 1312.01 Okay . 1312.01 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1311.917 1316.53 1312.08 1316.24 Yeah but that depends on where you put the screen . But it's essential that there is a screen . 1314.08 1316.24 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1314.184 1314.959 1314.42 1314.8 Yeah . 1314.8 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1316.306 1325.632 1316.46 1325.632 Yeah I mean the position of the screen is also more essential than I mean we we look where we have space left and then put the logo over there . But um 1325.03 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1323.631 1324.271 1323.77 1324.1 Yeah . 1324.1 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1324.843 1331.173 1324.96 1331.06 And for the speech uh recognition part , if we want to incorporate that , we need a microphone . 1328.41 1329.66 1331.06 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1330.554 1337.861 1330.69 1337.79 Yeah so it should be I mean if you have it in your hand here , should be on top somewhere , maybe . I mean i 1334.67 1336.7 1337.38 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1335.752 1337.772 1335.89 1337.772 Yeah . This would be uh 1336.53 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1337.135 1339.593 1337.22 1339.41 Why did we wanna put the display in the bottom ? 1339.41 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1339.62 1344.267 1339.81 1344.08 No that's not s sure so uh we need a display . 1344.08 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1341.362 1343.18 1341.62 1343.18 That's not sure but it's - TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1341.478 1342.556 1341.65 1342.44 Okay . 1342.44 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1342.581 1345.039 1342.77 1345.039 Yeah may maybe because you're - TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1343.604 1348.015 1343.78 1347.83 Because yeah if you use the functions your hand will block the display . 1347.83 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1348.339 1356.112 1348.63 1356.07 Yeah okay but only for the basic functi if you're going to use the advanced option , you're going to press the the menu button and then yeah . 1353.22 1356.07 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1356.416 1383.312 1356.44 1383.27 Yeah I mean a screen on top looks more lo logical to me . Also because people use m mobile phones and they also have the screen on top . So you you just have to reach a little bit for the power button . I mean if you grab it . But most most of the times if a if if a T_V_'s on standby people just press a channel to put it on . So we put this on top , and then make the corporate logo 1361.05 1366.22 1371.25 1373.18 1379.59 1381.62 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1359.429 1361.618 1359.6 1361.18 Normal for logical t - TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1360.789 1361.506 1361.07 1361.4 Yeah . 1361.4 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1360.9 1361.539 1361.12 1361.36 Yeah . 1361.36 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1363.318 1364.9 1363.38 1364.78 Yeah they're used to it . 1364.78 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1364.818 1367.276 1365.0 1367.13 Okay the yeah . That's possible . 1366.29 1367.13 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1370.589 1371.397 1370.71 1371.3 Yeah . 1371.3 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1371.724 1375.034 1372.03 1374.89 On once it's on it's on . You don't need the power button . 1373.48 1374.89 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1373.65 1375.163 1374.01 1374.9 Yeah , okay . 1374.58 1374.9 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1377.815 1379.566 1377.91 1379.37 Okay we put it on top . 1379.37 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1380.845 1381.654 1381.11 1381.37 Yeah . 1381.37 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1385.008 1395.424 1385.03 1395.39 like over here . R_R_ . And j and the microphone , I mean it can be very small . If you look at your mobile phones are some stripes , little little holes . 1386.47 1387.29 1388.73 1390.16 1394.31 1395.39 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1391.801 1392.508 1392.01 1392.25 Yeah . 1392.25 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1395.353 1396.027 1395.47 1395.96 Mm-hmm . 1395.96 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1395.672 1398.062 1395.96 1397.95 Maybe on the top or even on the side . 1397.95 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1397.839 1401.947 1397.9 1401.78 Yeah maybe on the side . I mean if the if the microphone is good . 1399.23 1401.78 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1399.798 1403.064 1400.04 1403.064 Yeah but then it's possible that you cover it with your hand so - TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1402.877 1403.82 1402.96 1403.47 True . 1403.47 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1403.361 1406.256 1403.42 1406.17 Yeah okay . So on the on the top is better . 1404.12 1406.17 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1403.312 1404.093 1403.45 1403.96 Yeah . 1403.96 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1403.973 1405.892 1404.18 1405.78 I think that top is the best option . 1405.78 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1405.142 1414.864 1405.142 1414.68 But if you uh if you hold the ma the remote like this , if you put it on the top on the side I dunno . Should be able to work . Never mind . 1409.08 1412.61 1414.29 1414.68 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1411.986 1412.996 1412.25 1412.86 Yeah okay . 1412.86 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1413.14 1414.992 1413.27 1414.89 Yeah . . 1414.89 1414.89 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1414.106 1417.608 1414.23 1417.52 Depends on the sensitivity of the microphone , but I think that's okay . 1416.29 1417.52 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1415.941 1419.12 1416.08 1419.12 Can we leave this up to you ? 1418.85 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1417.652 1425.127 1417.8 1424.96 Yeah it doesn't matter that much . So but um the screen is on top ? Which functions did we have left ? 1419.98 1422.62 1424.96 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1426.384 1433.915 1426.4 1433.83 I mean this is basically numbers , volume , uh channel up and down . Screen is over there . 1429.33 1429.99 1432.31 1433.83 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1428.88 1429.931 1428.93 1429.58 Volume . 1429.58 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1430.32 1430.878 1430.47 1430.79 Up . 1430.79 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1431.379 1435.318 1431.45 1435.26 Channel up and down , and the control of the advanced options . 1432.4 1435.26 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1435.421 1437.071 1435.71 1437.071 Yeah . If we 1436.27 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1435.868 1436.911 1435.96 1436.42 Yeah . 1436.42 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1436.051 1441.202 1436.15 1441.04 So maybe it , we should decide what advanced options we want to put in the L_C_D_ screen . 1436.98 1441.04 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1440.529 1443.155 1440.67 1443.01 Yeah . That's uh that's a good one . 1441.3 1443.01 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1442.859 1446.656 1442.95 1446.61 Yeah so we we needed to integrate the sound and uh - TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1447.476 1455.456 1447.63 1455.456 and image options right ? Like uh bass uh so we need kind of an equaliser . If you 1449.9 1454.83 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1449.418 1449.99 1449.47 1449.78 Yeah . 1449.78 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1449.822 1451.689 1449.84 1451.57 Yeah so sounds ? 1451.57 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1452.213 1453.088 1452.34 1452.9 Sound ? 1452.9 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1454.738 1458.206 1454.93 1458.206 Yeah . Equaliser . So if you have sound 1455.48 1456.96 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1460.058 1465.142 1460.22 1465.1 But not too advanced . I mean most T_V_s use only treble and bass . 1461.73 1465.1 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1463.435 1466.716 1463.84 1466.716 Yeah it it's just a remote control so - TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1464.012 1465.157 1464.1 1465.157 Yeah and they're - TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1465.254 1467.779 1465.36 1467.42 Yeah treble , middl middle , bass or something . 1466.05 1466.65 1467.42 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1465.864 1467.514 1466.0 1467.514 They're not used often so - TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1467.665 1468.135 1467.73 1467.87 Yeah . 1467.87 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1467.682 1474.585 1467.77 1474.41 Yeah . It's uh pretty hard to write . Mm . Okay but you have sound ? 1469.04 1472.23 1472.96 1474.41 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1471.152 1471.904 1471.23 1471.904 Ah as - TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1472.429 1473.507 1472.58 1473.507 Yeah just - TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1472.588 1473.157 1472.588 1473.157 . 1473.157 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1474.82 1475.864 1474.95 1475.77 Yeah sounds . 1475.77 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1475.595 1481.42 1475.8 1481.25 Yeah just oh y you have digital uh better write it down over there yeah . So you have sound . 1480.49 1481.25 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1476.47 1477.143 1476.67 1476.93 Yeah . 1476.93 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1478.388 1479.128 1478.388 1479.128 . 1479.128 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1480.005 1483.035 1480.09 1482.69 Of course . I'm just a secretary . 1480.92 1482.69 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1482.565 1490.578 1482.9 1490.53 Yeah . Uh yeah sound and then within sound I guess treble and bass ? 1484.7 1490.53 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1483.704 1485.224 1483.704 1484.91 Coffee ? 1484.91 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1485.492 1486.637 1485.71 1486.43 Yes please . 1486.43 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1490.897 1492.042 1491.01 1491.89 Treble bass . 1491.89 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1491.604 1500.257 1491.604 1500.07 the mono stereo option ? And there there was something else also . And then pitch . 1495.69 1498.14 1500.07 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1494.743 1496.898 1494.91 1496.63 Yeah . Also . 1496.11 1496.63 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1495.51 1496.116 1495.63 1496.116 Uh - TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1498.304 1501.072 1498.45 1501.04 Pitch I believe , yeah . 1500.23 1501.04 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1499.861 1505.619 1500.25 1505.44 Pitch . Yeah . But pitch , isn't that yeah that's the the height of the tone . 1501.09 1501.53 1501.97 1505.44 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1504.23 1504.836 1504.34 1504.69 Yeah . 1504.69 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1504.23 1506.823 1504.37 1506.49 The fr yeah the frequency of the tones , yeah . 1506.24 1506.49 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1506.326 1511.848 1506.47 1511.848 Yeah okay , wh why would you use that ? If people like talk like uh 1507.35 1509.5 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1506.789 1509.348 1507.07 1509.28 Yeah and mono stereo . 1509.28 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1508.928 1515.139 1509.31 1514.81 Yeah isn't that that depends on the on the signal of the of what program you're watching . 1514.81 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1514.751 1517.983 1515.09 1517.86 Mm . And also the tuning part ? 1516.03 1517.86 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1514.945 1515.854 1515.11 1515.79 Yeah . 1515.79 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1518.75 1520.198 1518.98 1520.02 Programming part . 1520.02 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1519.902 1523.0 1520.02 1522.84 Yeah programming . So channel programming ? 1521.54 1522.84 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1521.008 1525.015 1521.13 1524.78 Uh so we have sound , yeah ? Channel programming . 1523.41 1523.66 1524.78 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1525.232 1528.976 1525.59 1528.94 And yeah in the functionality of the - TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1528.929 1531.757 1529.31 1531.757 Television uh itself uh - TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1530.192 1540.508 1530.22 1540.17 no no of the remote uh do do we want uh the buttons to make sound when you press them ? As a confirmation or whatever you know ? I dunno . 1536.96 1539.65 1540.17 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1538.001 1539.112 1538.14 1538.7 Mm . 1538.7 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1538.724 1544.544 1538.86 1544.544 Mm . I think it g it gets annoying . I mean most mobile phones used that in the beginning but 1539.97 1541.61 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1539.235 1542.678 1539.92 1542.28 Mm . Yeah . 1541.93 1542.28 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1542.412 1546.118 1542.45 1546.01 We we could make an option for it , but uh you can disable s 1544.13 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1545.583 1549.287 1545.68 1548.96 Under the a yeah advanced option menu you can put those things . 1548.96 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1547.59 1548.183 1547.67 1548.06 Yeah . 1548.06 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1549.792 1558.849 1550.02 1558.67 But uh the the television itself has also the the options brightness and uh screen colour etcetera . So yeah . 1557.08 1558.67 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1549.976 1550.583 1550.14 1550.47 Yeah . 1550.47 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1557.291 1558.469 1557.4 1558.37 Contrast yeah . 1558.37 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1558.624 1569.616 1558.64 1569.58 Yeah but people don't want to sit on their knees on their knees in front of their television with only three buttons then it's very hard to y yeah contrast and brightness ? 1569.58 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1562.83 1564.597 1563.34 1564.49 Mm . No . 1564.07 1564.49 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1565.149 1567.577 1565.32 1567.54 Uh , so contrast , 1566.22 1567.54 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1567.367 1568.276 1567.62 1568.06 Yeah . 1568.06 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1570.237 1571.146 1570.45 1571.0 bright , 1571.0 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1571.476 1575.55 1571.67 1575.4 Yeah those are the most used I guess . If you look at your monitor . 1574.05 1575.4 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1572.728 1573.705 1572.99 1573.705 uh - TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1574.041 1577.779 1574.06 1577.66 And the others were in your presentation right ? So I can just copy those ? 1576.42 1577.66 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1576.493 1580.803 1576.68 1580.71 Well yeah well I guess that these were the only ones , I guess . 1580.08 1580.71 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1580.102 1582.19 1580.27 1582.19 Okay . It's easy . 1581.19 1582.02 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1582.116 1584.305 1582.28 1584.26 Yeah . I will look it up . 1583.1 1584.26 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1582.399 1597.056 1582.7 1597.02 But so we have we have T_V_ options , which is all this . The sound , sound and image . And you have in that uh the indeed the remote control options . So we need two menus kind of thing . 1585.25 1586.37 1587.27 1589.27 1595.33 1597.02 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1585.86 1589.092 1586.07 1588.91 Yeah the button options and the L_C_D_ options . 1588.91 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1592.046 1595.413 1592.15 1595.31 Indeed . Yeah . 1594.86 1595.31 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1597.332 1614.47 1597.45 1614.36 Yeah you have basically a button menu , which you can use directly , uh according to the old principle . And the L_C_D_ options are activated by some some software options , thats communicates with the infrared uh decoder yeah . 1600.14 1602.02 1604.42 1610.02 1614.36 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1601.909 1602.785 1602.16 1602.49 Uh-huh . 1602.49 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1612.299 1615.969 1612.47 1615.969 Yeah with the chip and then I mean - TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1616.053 1617.299 1616.053 1617.299 So you - TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1617.68 1634.986 1617.7 1634.71 Uh yeah . Well yeah we have power button , whether that's present . Channel volume selection present . Uh numbers present . Yeah a audio settings , mono , stereo , pitch , bass , treble . Screen settings , brightness and colour . 1620.51 1623.34 1624.8 1627.0 1628.42 1629.69 1629.9 1630.3 1630.82 1631.23 1632.35 1633.23 1634.71 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1617.834 1621.639 1617.95 1621.52 You have an additional processor and and software part . 1621.52 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1622.414 1623.155 1622.49 1622.92 Alright . 1622.92 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1622.481 1623.356 1622.58 1623.26 Compared to o - TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1624.635 1625.208 1624.72 1625.14 Mm-hmm . 1625.14 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1628.938 1629.568 1629.11 1629.48 L_ s - TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1630.732 1631.521 1630.87 1631.35 Yeah . 1631.35 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1635.006 1641.134 1635.17 1641.08 Colour . Yeah I I call it contrast . Yeah I make it c colour . 1636.43 1638.51 1641.08 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1636.602 1638.723 1636.82 1638.723 Yeah con contrast is - TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1640.275 1658.4 1640.49 1658.4 Yeah okay , colour and brightness . Um and what you say , channel settings or channel programming ? So you you have an option to to start scanning all the frequencies , and when it encounters one , well it shows on your T_V_ . And then you can um 1641.25 1643.01 1645.03 1647.25 1652.34 1654.55 1656.79 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1642.428 1643.102 1642.53 1642.84 Yeah . 1642.84 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1651.351 1653.338 1651.72 1653.338 Yeah and automatically um - TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1656.402 1657.277 1656.62 1656.9 Mm-hmm . 1656.9 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1659.938 1665.695 1660.14 1665.29 Uh and then you can select uh a number in your remote on which you want to save it . 1665.29 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1663.203 1666.94 1663.48 1666.84 Yeah so I've g channel program is autoseek ? 1666.84 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1666.99 1668.539 1667.17 1668.41 Yeah , autoseek . 1667.46 1668.41 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1668.611 1673.086 1668.611 1673.086 Uh name a channel , or 1672.51 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1673.354 1678.202 1673.45 1677.97 Well most T_V_s automatically display the name , which they get through the cable . 1676.51 1677.97 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1678.002 1680.662 1678.14 1680.27 Oh they get automatic names , okay . 1679.97 1680.27 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1679.65 1683.623 1679.91 1683.49 Yeah . So you only have to choose the position on your 1680.52 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1684.458 1686.645 1684.458 1686.645 . 1686.645 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1684.499 1693.185 1684.72 1693.05 It only has to match the the channel frequency on your T_V_ , with with the with the position on your T_V_ and and so your remote . 1688.53 1693.05 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1688.032 1688.81 1688.18 1688.59 Yeah . 1688.59 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1692.787 1698.814 1693.0 1698.814 Yeah but can you also say I want f uh Veronica on the channel number uh five or - TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1693.215 1694.023 1693.43 1693.72 Help . 1693.72 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1698.505 1707.159 1698.67 1706.91 If you already programmed it . If you want to move it . Yeah that should be possible too . Yeah how do you call that ? Mm ? 1700.65 1702.05 1704.93 1706.36 1706.91 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1700.43 1702.349 1700.63 1702.12 Yeah . Yeah . 1701.74 1702.12 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1703.292 1706.208 1703.44 1706.208 How do you call that ? 1705.94 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1708.339 1729.82 1708.55 1729.67 Wait you you should be able to to browse through a list or something , which w displays all the all the values , all the channels which are possible . I mean like one to f thirty of or ninety or whatever . Just browse through it and then um in some kind of way see if it if it if it is programmed . 1713.2 1716.71 1718.35 1722.76 1729.67 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1715.888 1717.908 1715.93 1717.7 Channels ? Yeah . 1716.98 1717.7 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1720.03 1722.016 1720.14 1721.94 Ninety nine or something . Yeah . 1721.43 1721.94 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1728.488 1730.736 1728.59 1730.69 S swap channels ? 1730.69 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1731.376 1732.488 1731.4 1732.31 Can I call it that ? 1732.31 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1730.808 1733.939 1731.4 1733.77 Yeah . Swap channels . 1732.7 1733.77 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1733.43 1737.235 1733.51 1737.12 Swap's good option . Okay . Uh other functions ? 1735.23 1735.78 1737.12 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1735.959 1740.673 1736.07 1740.673 So you most of the time if you if you swap it - TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1741.606 1757.06 1741.98 1756.9 S uh let's say for example you have uh R_T_L_ five on on channel five . And Veronica on channel eight and you want to move Veronica to channel five , um most of the times you override the previous uh the previous one . 1747.54 1752.27 1756.9 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1755.87 1757.149 1756.02 1756.96 Mm-hmm . Okay . 1756.58 1756.96 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1757.991 1763.008 1758.12 1762.4 Well that's 's up to uh Mister User Interface Designer . 1762.4 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1760.253 1766.717 1760.42 1766.48 Yeah . It's it's pretty uh yeah I mean you have to look on on the menu 1761.62 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1762.195 1763.204 1762.44 1762.9 Okay . 1762.9 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1766.864 1769.355 1766.864 1769.26 working design . Doch . 1768.74 1769.26 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1767.724 1768.937 1767.8 1768.89 on the T_V_ . 1768.89 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1768.225 1772.006 1768.225 1772.006 Also . That's you're 1770.32 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1770.327 1774.08 1770.327 1773.94 He only has to figure out how it has to look . And how 1773.42 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1773.742 1779.481 1773.742 1779.35 Yeah but also , which buttons you have to press to get a certain result ? 1775.73 1779.35 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1773.819 1774.661 1774.0 1774.29 Yeah . 1774.29 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1774.877 1775.618 1775.03 1775.618 to use - TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1779.952 1789.616 1779.97 1789.53 And the working design was to specify how ph the physical interation between the components was , as I believe . 1787.7 1789.53 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1779.879 1781.057 1779.98 1781.057 Yeah okay . But 1780.53 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1789.928 1790.77 1790.07 1790.53 Yeah . 1790.53 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1790.081 1795.396 1790.29 1795.31 You did your homework . But um yeah . Okay . 1791.71 1794.44 1795.31 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1792.848 1800.164 1792.848 1799.92 Or or is it too hard to to ju to just do it all on your remote ? To programme the channels ? 1798.66 1799.92 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1800.182 1803.246 1800.29 1803.0 No no . It should be able to do any remote . 1801.21 1803.0 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1800.72 1810.181 1800.75 1810.181 No I don't think so . But I think the communication with the television is difficult . But that's not our part . We don't have to design a protocol so 1802.06 1805.7 1808.28 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1801.006 1802.117 1801.2 1802.117 No that's - TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1801.26 1801.842 1801.44 1801.65 Uh . 1801.65 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1805.921 1806.931 1806.15 1806.77 Yeah . 1806.77 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1807.74 1808.581 1807.9 1808.39 No . 1808.39 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1810.231 1811.005 1810.43 1810.78 No . 1810.78 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1810.77 1812.285 1810.99 1812.11 That's true . That's true . 1811.5 1812.11 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1812.737 1813.579 1812.8 1813.3 Thank god . 1813.3 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1813.25 1839.277 1813.43 1838.96 Yeah . So we have a figure a figure out a way to to do that easily . I mean th the autoseek is is not a problem . I mean you uh you uh current channel and then then it just says , uh on which number do you want to save this , and you just press a number on your remote , and then say confirm , okay , and then it's it's saved . It's easier , it's it's it's harder to , if you have already programmed it , to to swap . So we have to think of something for that . 1814.29 1817.29 1819.8 1823.55 1825.6 1828.25 1829.4 1829.79 1831.32 1832.31 1833.88 1835.99 1836.79 1838.96 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1813.565 1814.643 1813.8 1814.643 Okay - TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1819.734 1821.081 1819.93 1821.081 No that's the - TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1835.559 1836.367 1835.71 1836.13 Yeah . 1836.13 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1836.771 1837.815 1836.83 1837.815 So but - TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1838.528 1839.364 1838.55 1839.364 Um - TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1840.609 1843.943 1840.86 1843.62 The User Interface Designer can design a menu - TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1844.781 1848.144 1844.8 1848.144 for all these function I put them on the - TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1846.06 1849.427 1846.34 1849.22 Yeah k kind of structure into layers . 1849.22 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1847.44 1854.608 1847.6 1854.57 On the uh yeah can you i make a a map with with all the yeah 'cause it's now there are lots and lots of documents - TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1853.03 1854.04 1853.03 1854.04 . 1854.04 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1854.704 1862.154 1854.72 1862.154 Yeah . Yeah I can . I'll just try to reorganise uh things . Um 1855.97 1857.15 1861.25 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1855.84 1856.669 1856.03 1856.669 and - TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1860.572 1861.38 1860.8 1861.38 So - TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1863.401 1869.529 1863.47 1869.36 So you design the basic function menu for the L_C_D_ screen ? 1869.36 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1870.506 1873.502 1870.65 1873.502 Uh um - TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1874.223 1876.85 1874.35 1876.59 And and the layout of of the thing itself . 1876.59 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1874.411 1885.472 1874.59 1885.472 I think th I think the yeah the layout of the screen and I think you can concentrate more on the button placement and the placement of the uh screen itself on the - TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1875.872 1877.994 1876.06 1877.84 The the layout of the remote control ? 1877.84 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1877.759 1878.701 1877.759 1878.701 . 1878.701 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1886.243 1890.452 1886.47 1890.41 Isn't that more the the u uh the user interface part ? 1890.41 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1887.977 1888.717 1887.977 1888.717 . 1888.717 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1889.328 1891.142 1889.36 1891.142 No I d I think that's more in - TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1892.051 1893.196 1892.051 1893.196 . 1893.196 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1891.696 1907.489 1892.13 1907.13 Uh all the functional uh aspects of the remote I think are in my department . I have to know what it has to do , so if you wanna you know the changing the channels kind of s thing is , I have to integrate that in the design . 1898.07 1900.04 1905.36 1907.13 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1895.402 1896.648 1895.64 1896.648 Maybe more on - TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1897.683 1898.201 1897.7 1898.08 Yeah . 1898.08 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1897.64 1898.28 1897.72 1898.13 Yeah . 1898.13 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1905.332 1908.497 1905.41 1908.37 Okay . So he's layout and you're function . 1906.08 1908.37 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1908.742 1909.348 1908.89 1909.23 Yeah . 1909.23 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1909.642 1913.094 1909.66 1913.094 Form function okay . 1912.79 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1912.016 1914.477 1912.08 1914.36 I think that's a that's a good separation . 1914.36 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1911.949 1912.757 1912.26 1912.59 Okay . 1912.59 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1913.396 1918.682 1913.5 1918.682 But do I have to to uh to yeah to make the the menu layout also ? Or 1917.87 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1919.424 1920.113 1919.56 1919.98 Yeah . 1919.98 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1919.629 1920.47 1919.67 1920.42 Mm . 1920.42 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1919.654 1924.507 1919.99 1924.37 Are you going to do that ? Yeah ? I I'm going to make yeah o okay . 1921.26 1921.84 1924.37 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1919.861 1922.252 1920.01 1922.03 Yeah . Yeah I guess so . 1920.89 1922.03 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1921.864 1925.837 1922.0 1925.837 I think i that's your department yes , because w he already knows what 1923.88 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1923.666 1924.44 1923.84 1924.39 Yeah . 1924.39 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1923.712 1938.4 1924.04 1938.37 Yeah we have to kind of work together . If if I make the the the yeah the menu like , I have to state which function has to be in the menu , and then you have to decide , it's , in a in a way that b is user-friendly . 1926.37 1932.24 1934.7 1935.78 1936.17 1938.37 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1926.01 1926.904 1926.35 1926.63 Yeah . 1926.63 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1926.511 1927.353 1926.62 1926.91 Yeah . 1926.91 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1928.565 1931.427 1928.76 1931.427 But we're not allowed . 1931.12 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1936.096 1936.448 1936.12 1936.35 Yeah . 1936.35 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1937.648 1952.603 1937.67 1952.2 Okay . Y you you are going to make a list of what functions are uh are going to to be on the the screen , the menu screen . And I'm going to make a a nice menu uh with with pages and yeah . 1937.87 1944.37 1945.78 1952.2 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1942.639 1943.212 1942.67 1943.14 Yeah . 1943.14 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1944.315 1944.887 1944.42 1944.79 Yeah . 1944.79 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1948.058 1948.934 1948.3 1948.8 Yeah . 1948.8 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1948.834 1949.71 1948.98 1949.67 Yeah . 1949.67 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1949.081 1950.293 1949.28 1950.2 I think yeah . 1950.2 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1949.684 1954.129 1949.86 1953.98 With with some l with some layers in it . So some menus . 1951.8 1953.98 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1952.056 1960.844 1952.16 1960.844 Yeah and also make clear which buttons to press to get certain result , because that's always the difficulty . Every device has its own 1957.52 1959.18 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1957.058 1958.034 1957.25 1957.79 Yeah . 1957.79 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1960.656 1973.316 1960.68 1972.9 Yeah . Well I guess this this button , the the the okay , menu okay . Or you can incorporate two uh difference uh different buttons . Uh like uh for your mobile phone . 1961.15 1963.69 1966.2 1966.97 1971.34 1972.9 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1960.618 1961.414 1960.74 1961.18 Yeah . 1961.18 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1965.086 1966.736 1965.23 1966.54 Menu okay . Yeah . 1966.3 1966.54 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 1973.316 1997.629 1973.98 1997.629 Um so this is only for to get in the menu , or to exit it . And then one to confirm , and one to go one step back . So it's like the the save button on your your mobile phone , if you have a Nokia or like that . Or the or the no button . To go one step back you it's only two extra buttons , but if it if it's very clear that they are for the screen 1976.67 1978.61 1980.66 1983.81 1986.75 1988.21 1990.29 1993.5 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1977.8 1978.406 1977.84 1978.21 Mm . 1978.21 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 1981.806 1983.389 1982.14 1983.27 Back . Yeah . 1982.89 1983.27 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 1989.634 1990.51 1989.85 1990.44 Mm-hmm . 1990.44 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1993.1 1994.211 1993.24 1994.211 Yeah . W we 1993.5 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 1997.635 2006.254 1997.85 2006.254 Uh I think we have to to group , to make two groups . Um the one group for the for the display , and one group for the basic functions , and 1999.56 2000.7 2003.75 2005.68 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 2005.609 2006.451 2005.71 2006.28 Yeah . 2006.28 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2006.098 2009.7 2006.24 2009.7 Yeah but they're incorporated ? Up and down is 2008.64 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2008.128 2024.657 2008.15 2024.6 Yeah okay but we we have a m yeah but maybe that's that's not uh yeah if you're if you're z zapping uh with your uh yeah remote control , you can press the the menu button , and then you are suddenly into the the yeah the display . 2018.19 2020.25 2024.6 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2008.235 2010.76 2008.41 2010.7 Yeah because this this is used for both . 2010.7 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2013.471 2014.347 2013.69 2014.21 Smart ? 2014.21 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2022.838 2032.16 2023.17 2032.16 Into your screen . Okay . So you l should leave the menu button out of here . And and just put it under the screen , the screen 2024.19 2024.55 2028.34 2031.43 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 2025.374 2027.528 2025.59 2027.11 You wanna separate uh . 2027.11 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2027.214 2028.047 2027.44 2027.76 Yeah . 2027.76 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2029.7 2031.047 2029.83 2030.59 Put it on top . 2030.59 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2029.874 2042.197 2030.02 2042.01 Yeah j just just group group the yeah we make these the advanced functions and these the basic functions . So we make a yeah a line between them . 2038.11 2042.01 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2037.695 2038.503 2037.85 2038.4 Mm-hmm . 2038.4 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2037.769 2038.679 2037.96 2038.58 Yeah . 2038.58 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2042.382 2045.345 2042.49 2045.08 But we should place the screen on top , right ? 2044.61 2045.08 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2045.984 2046.854 2046.09 2046.854 Well - TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2046.541 2049.436 2046.95 2049.24 F oh yeah . Okay yeah we swap uh Okay . 2047.71 2049.24 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2048.537 2051.332 2048.83 2051.28 But that's uh J Jurgen's department . 2051.28 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2048.746 2049.52 2049.08 2049.34 Yeah . 2049.34 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2050.581 2052.601 2050.7 2052.601 Yeah . So we make it a 2051.31 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2050.816 2055.297 2050.84 2054.92 Yeah . You just you just find out and . 2051.49 2054.92 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2052.847 2058.234 2053.11 2058.13 You just make the layout . You do we do the extra two buttons or not ? 2054.92 2058.13 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2054.723 2055.531 2054.74 2055.32 Okay . 2055.32 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2058.496 2059.856 2058.65 2059.856 Uh - TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 2059.888 2065.501 2059.91 2065.42 I think you should . It's easier . If you put too many functions in one button it gets confusing . 2061.56 2062.33 2065.42 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2060.906 2061.546 2061.03 2061.37 Yeah . 2061.37 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2065.283 2066.461 2065.33 2066.26 Yeah okay . That's true . 2065.87 2066.26 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2065.243 2069.081 2065.36 2068.89 Yeah . So we have a a menu button and a s 2066.49 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2065.259 2066.0 2065.36 2065.78 Yeah . 2065.78 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2068.515 2070.737 2068.61 2070.55 And to , okay and back , also . 2069.0 2070.16 2070.55 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2069.805 2073.61 2070.07 2073.44 Yeah . Yeah , or confirm and back . Whatever . 2071.45 2071.64 2073.09 2073.44 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2070.159 2072.011 2070.23 2071.86 Okay . Okay and back button . 2070.76 2071.86 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2072.219 2074.172 2072.35 2074.09 And of course the four arrows . 2074.09 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2074.889 2075.697 2074.96 2075.44 Yeah . 2075.44 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 2075.938 2076.646 2076.14 2076.59 No . 2076.59 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2076.63 2080.098 2076.83 2080.098 But those are still y doubly used . Both the L_C_D_ 2079.02 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2078.559 2082.229 2078.92 2082.13 Should we save this picture , or or you know what it looks like ? 2080.2 2082.13 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2081.2 2087.936 2081.22 2087.936 Yeah I'm I'm not s clear about uh the the extra two buttons . We have a menu button and 2085.76 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2086.876 2087.448 2086.96 2087.25 Yeah . 2087.25 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2087.11 2092.733 2087.26 2092.733 Yeah . That that just to to activate the screen . So 2088.24 2092.29 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2088.941 2091.601 2089.09 2091.38 That's the the one with the yeah okay . 2091.38 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2092.195 2095.663 2092.31 2095.5 Menu button access the menu in the L_C_D_ screen . 2095.5 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2095.292 2100.881 2095.48 2100.77 And then with these buttons , woa , y you navigate . 2098.57 2099.73 2100.77 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2097.953 2099.333 2098.13 2099.11 You can navigate . 2099.11 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2100.928 2101.769 2100.95 2101.42 Okay . 2101.42 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2101.657 2104.99 2101.74 2104.78 But you can also navigate the channels . And the volume . 2104.16 2104.78 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2104.202 2107.704 2104.22 2107.65 Okay so that that's not uh Yeah that Those are - TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2106.135 2110.175 2106.38 2110.09 Those are both both yeah . 2110.09 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2108.613 2109.892 2108.8 2109.62 multifunctional . 2109.62 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 2108.992 2123.803 2109.51 2123.37 Hey is it interesting for users if we put LED lights under the buttons ? So that if you uh press on the menu function that only the buttons that are used for the menu are ligh li light up . 2114.29 2123.37 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2120.492 2121.199 2120.63 2121.04 Yeah . 2121.04 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2122.243 2124.128 2122.33 2123.92 L l litten up yeah . 2123.92 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2123.899 2125.111 2124.14 2124.56 Yeah . 2124.56 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2125.139 2126.418 2125.16 2126.28 That's very good idea . 2126.28 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2125.342 2126.958 2125.64 2126.85 Oh five minutes . 2126.85 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 2127.608 2128.248 2127.8 2127.94 N - TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2127.799 2133.994 2127.85 2133.91 Alright . Yeah that's a good idea because then it becomes clear which buttons are active now , which you can use . 2128.94 2132.74 2133.91 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2129.079 2130.695 2129.22 2130.695 Light uh - TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 2133.836 2138.247 2133.98 2138.08 Yeah and then it's also easier to integrate several functions in one button . 2138.08 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2137.934 2141.503 2138.04 2141.503 Yeah sure . Okay . Um 2139.39 2140.76 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2138.224 2138.931 2138.39 2138.83 Yeah . 2138.83 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2139.729 2140.47 2139.9 2140.2 Yeah . 2140.2 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2141.48 2142.322 2141.55 2142.322 So - TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2142.403 2143.547 2142.54 2143.34 Anything else ? 2143.34 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2143.648 2156.352 2143.67 2156.3 Those buttons are are lit up . But just one thing . Should we use those two ? Them ? Or only this to to scroll ? And then use the two functional buttons to confirm , to go into something ? 2145.55 2147.51 2149.47 2149.86 2152.23 2155.19 2156.3 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 2144.307 2145.486 2144.68 2145.4 I think not . 2145.4 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2152.111 2152.856 2152.25 2152.856 I've - TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2157.709 2161.615 2157.88 2161.54 Oh no we have to use this to adjust some some bars ? 2161.54 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2160.248 2161.123 2160.4 2160.84 Volume . 2160.84 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2160.159 2161.347 2160.42 2161.347 Yeah . 2160.77 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 2160.272 2167.318 2160.52 2167.07 Yeah keep it optional 'cause maybe you can you know go left to right and up and down in a in one menu . 2167.07 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2166.032 2173.335 2166.05 2173.21 Yeah . And maybe we should use this also as an okay button , still . And then just only a back button . 2166.79 2170.48 2171.1 2173.21 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2174.775 2178.175 2174.87 2177.96 Well we have those buttons . We use all four . 2177.09 2177.96 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2175.611 2176.806 2175.91 2176.806 No - TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 2175.488 2180.198 2176.01 2180.08 The pr the problem with the okay button in the middle is , sorry 2179.58 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2180.061 2181.172 2180.17 2180.93 Yeah okay go ahead . 2180.93 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2180.338 2181.281 2180.47 2181.24 Yeah ? 2181.24 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 2181.552 2189.559 2181.59 2189.32 sorry , uh is uh if you're pressing up and down , you can easily press the okay once you , when you're not already at your choice . 2182.03 2184.96 2186.86 2189.32 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2186.892 2187.664 2186.96 2187.54 Yeah . 2187.54 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2188.386 2189.261 2188.58 2189.06 Yeah . 2189.06 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2188.795 2194.416 2189.04 2194.37 So maybe make one uh one okay button and and one navigation button . 2194.37 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2191.872 2193.004 2191.89 2192.72 And one back . 2192.72 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2191.946 2194.505 2192.24 2194.34 Yeah that was already decided . 2194.34 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2195.596 2200.95 2195.81 2200.88 Yeah the with with the the channel and the volume uh yeah m a multifunctional navigation button . 2200.88 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2200.615 2222.399 2200.79 2222.399 Okay that's what we decided earlier on . Right okay . So yeah I wanna close down . I have to , sorry . it's not because I don't like you but yh we have lunch break , and then we can work for thirty minutes , and I have to write very fast to make the minich min minutes . And then uh we'll see 2203.23 2204.22 2207.46 2208.03 2208.94 2213.03 2215.52 2220.2 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2202.544 2204.216 2202.56 2203.95 Yeah okay . Yeah . 2203.8 2203.95 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2202.802 2203.576 2202.89 2203.45 Yeah . 2203.45 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 2205.376 2207.823 2205.48 2207.823 You wanna close down huh ? 2207.56 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2207.246 2207.886 2207.41 2207.84 Yeah . 2207.84 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 2208.631 2209.742 2208.69 2209.56 That's okay . 2209.56 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2208.559 2209.233 2208.69 2209.03 Yeah . 2209.03 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 2212.267 2213.379 2212.43 2213.09 Already . 2213.09 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2219.944 2220.684 2220.14 2220.56 Yeah . 2220.56 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 2223.715 2226.128 2223.89 2225.89 Alright . How m how long is the lunchbreak ? 2224.38 2225.89 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2226.251 2227.059 2226.33 2226.85 I don't know . 2226.85 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2227.452 2229.775 2227.66 2229.775 We have to ask . 2229.33 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2227.867 2229.104 2227.96 2229.104 Nobody told me . 2228.98 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 2228.94 2230.018 2229.06 2229.95 Okay . 2229.95 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2229.349 2235.342 2229.39 2235.342 But do we have to write uh to write down uh the our stuff now ? Or first lunchbreak ? Because I 2232.76 2234.63 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2234.332 2236.722 2234.48 2236.67 No I th believe there's first lunch break . 2236.67 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2236.251 2238.608 2236.38 2238.608 I've everything in my head now so - TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2238.17 2240.325 2238.28 2240.325 Yeah . Or you can just 2239.32 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 2239.31 2240.152 2239.48 2240.02 Mm . 2240.02 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2241.552 2243.187 2241.57 2242.91 Okay . Yeah . 2242.24 2242.91 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2242.11 2242.615 2242.22 2242.43 Yeah ? 2242.43 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2243.389 2243.928 2243.46 2243.68 'Kay . 2243.68 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2244.976 2245.824 2245.01 2245.58 Yes . 2245.58 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2247.277 2248.085 2247.51 2247.8 'Kay . 2247.8 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2247.8 2251.234 2247.97 2251.234 I think you can put uh the laptop back in the room and - TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 2247.997 2248.839 2248.17 2248.839 This is - TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2250.778 2251.115 2250.81 2250.97 Yeah . 2250.97 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2251.043 2251.75 2251.11 2251.56 Yeah . 2251.56 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2252.0 2254.064 2252.02 2254.064 Yes sir . 2253.82 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2252.996 2254.208 2253.12 2254.09 Time pressure . 2254.09 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2254.396 2255.088 2254.396 2254.97 'Kay . 2254.97 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2256.064 2258.017 2256.18 2257.77 Yeah it's a lot of pressure . 2257.77 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 2258.383 2259.326 2258.49 2259.14 Yeah . 2259.14 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 2260.807 2264.342 2260.93 2264.11 Sorry for my uh not finished presentation uh . 2264.11 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2262.259 2263.303 2262.46 2263.19 That's okay . 2263.19 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2264.078 2265.47 2264.19 2265.47 Oh yeah . 2265.34 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2264.246 2267.373 2264.27 2267.373 Oh no no . 2267.28 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2264.579 2267.744 2264.75 2267.68 Yeah we'll kick your ass later . No . Uh . 2266.1 2267.53 2267.68 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 2266.026 2267.81 2266.026 2267.63 Bring it on . 2267.63 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2269.97 2272.495 2270.18 2272.4 I don't know if it works but it should be saved . 2272.4 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2270.144 2270.874 2270.22 2270.874 Aye - TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2271.412 2275.991 2271.45 2275.991 Y you saved it ? Does it save automatically in the project folder ? Or 2273.21 2275.64 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2275.66 2277.647 2275.82 2277.647 Yeah . It's uh 2276.57 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2280.874 2284.611 2280.97 2284.55 Okay . We'll see . Just put back my laptop . 2282.35 2283.06 2284.55 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2283.15 2285.17 2283.22 2285.08 Should be here . Smart board . 2284.21 2285.08 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2285.44 2290.773 2285.48 2290.7 Alright . Yeah you can open it with the picture preview or stuff like that . 2287.34 2290.7 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2285.608 2286.988 2285.68 2286.988 Don't know if you can use it but - TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2285.736 2286.749 2286.01 2286.65 Okay . 2286.65 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2289.008 2295.032 2289.03 2294.97 And uh we have to make uh some maps with uh with the all the the data we uh gathered . 2294.97 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2293.924 2296.955 2294.06 2296.72 Yeah . I try to organise it by these three . 2294.62 2296.72 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2297.152 2302.288 2297.152 2302.288 . It's it's just my own map so I put everything into the 2297.152 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2298.302 2301.298 2298.39 2301.23 Yeah yeah yeah . 2301.23 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2302.801 2308.087 2303.06 2307.91 I don't really mind . I just put the minutes here and we'll see . 2304.55 2307.91 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2307.894 2309.947 2307.96 2309.947 But you got some extra information uh - TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2309.501 2312.666 2309.63 2312.47 Yeah that's in the functional design uh folder . 2312.47 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2311.631 2312.506 2311.82 2312.36 Okay . 2312.36 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2313.04 2316.808 2313.06 2316.7 Yeah . Yeah that's just basically what I just showed . 2313.78 2316.7 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2316.048 2318.245 2316.18 2318.14 But where do you did you get the newsflash ? 2318.14 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2317.651 2320.276 2317.73 2320.2 Yeah . Yeah I got it by yeah . 2318.1 2320.2 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2318.952 2320.703 2319.04 2320.5 You're the only one uh okay . 2320.5 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2321.594 2323.109 2321.594 2322.66 internet . 2322.66 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2321.393 2324.316 2321.8 2324.316 I'm gonna get kicked if I don't do it so - TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2324.171 2325.08 2324.25 2324.73 Okay . 2324.73 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 2323.8 2324.945 2324.25 2324.81 Alright . 2324.81 TS3006b D MTD024ME 3 2324.976 2325.744 2325.0 2325.46 Alright . 2325.46 TS3006b B MTD023UID 1 2325.895 2326.6 2326.11 2326.39 Yeah . 2326.39 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2330.224 2332.816 2330.224 2332.45 Make me proud . 2332.45 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 2332.622 2336.056 2332.622 2335.92 I'll try to . So first we have a lunchbreak now ? 2334.44 2335.92 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2336.727 2337.299 2336.86 2337.1 Yeah . 2337.1 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 2337.336 2338.278 2337.45 2338.08 Alright . 2338.08 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2338.848 2339.791 2339.02 2339.58 I believe so . 2339.58 TS3006b A MTD021PM 0 2340.666 2343.427 2340.666 2342.31 just ask . 2343.28 TS3006b C MTD022ID 2 2343.488 2346.592 2343.53 2346.49 Mm-hmm . I dunno where she . 2344.83 2346.49 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 74.692 76.369 74.89 76.27 Hello . 76.27 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 77.476 78.626 77.476 78.626 . 78.626 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 80.474 82.118 80.474 82.118 . 82.118 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 81.946 84.568 82.13 84.3 Yes , I made it . 82.78 84.3 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 85.61 89.26 85.74 89.26 English from now on . 88.91 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 90.351 100.38 90.351 100.17 . Just kidding . 90.351 100.17 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 90.21 91.648 90.38 91.648 Drawing or - TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 91.331 92.817 91.53 92.51 Yeah just testing . 92.51 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 92.659 93.589 92.86 93.25 Yeah . 93.25 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 95.518 96.212 95.66 96.15 Mm ? 96.15 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 98.146 99.128 98.37 99.04 English . 99.04 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 101.09 102.343 101.09 102.343 . 102.343 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 102.468 104.317 102.92 103.69 So annoying . 103.69 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 104.078 105.783 104.1 105.37 Break is over . 105.37 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 105.969 107.745 106.41 107.48 Ooh it works . 107.48 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 106.778 114.753 107.06 114.61 Whoo . Spicy . 110.12 114.61 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 109.001 111.97 109.001 111.69 Spicy . 111.69 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 112.276 114.938 112.4 114.7 Where are are all the other presentations ? 114.7 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 115.464 127.699 115.86 127.699 I just put it in the in the shared folder so it should be yeah I think so . Yeah , conceptual design . What or whatever does it 122.85 123.1 124.72 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 119.351 121.117 119.56 121.117 The conceptual or - TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 124.672 132.53 124.69 132.42 Ah . Because I see only my own presentation yeah . 126.02 132.42 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 128.905 131.025 129.18 130.84 No no no , can you go back one ? 129.68 130.84 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 131.819 137.133 132.07 136.44 Uh 'cause it has to be PowerPoint pre yeah components design , that's it . 135.72 136.44 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 134.338 135.235 134.59 135.1 This ? 135.1 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 135.993 139.578 135.993 139.46 I'll just put it in there . 139.46 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 138.497 140.147 138.74 139.68 So , he's coming . 139.17 139.68 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 139.839 150.015 139.839 150.015 . I did get a bit more done than the last time , 'cause I knew that I didn't have time so I just copy and paste everything into the 139.839 145.21 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 142.918 144.168 143.26 143.98 Or not . 143.98 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 144.399 145.645 144.55 145.39 Okay . 145.39 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 145.095 146.381 145.16 145.97 Oh okay . 145.97 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 148.305 153.293 148.82 153.293 Ah , I can't cut and paste it into the other folder but 149.65 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 149.765 162.824 149.98 162.65 Ah . She . You can look at the final report , 'cause I have to record everything we are deciding and such , so I'm trying to write it down between everything else . 151.2 151.31 153.53 158.63 162.65 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 159.115 160.624 159.21 160.18 Move to meeting room . 160.18 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 162.044 174.329 162.044 173.82 Sometimes I have these pop-ups or these sounds and there's nothing there , and also with I don't know how to use PowerPoint , so it takes me forever to get something done with it . 167.88 171.5 173.82 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 162.156 162.813 162.33 162.63 Yeah . 162.63 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 166.997 167.747 167.13 167.56 Oh . 167.56 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 167.777 169.686 168.04 169.43 Yeah me too , . 169.43 169.43 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 172.581 177.811 172.581 177.811 I I've got the same problem as well . 177.62 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 175.339 176.713 175.78 176.05 Yeah . 176.05 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 177.679 178.928 177.87 178.8 Yeah . 178.8 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 178.258 195.699 178.35 195.57 Yeah . Here we go again . Welcome . Uh we have again three presentations and then we have to decide on what concepts the mobile phone has to uh f the remote control has to support . So who wants go . 178.83 180.45 182.84 193.83 195.57 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 182.753 183.463 182.93 183.27 Thi - TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 193.9 194.637 194.13 194.49 Mm-hmm . 194.49 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 195.82 205.584 195.98 205.13 Yes . Me first again or yeah . Alright . Did you open it already or no . Ah . 197.33 201.89 202.99 204.67 205.13 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 196.608 197.978 196.72 197.45 Who wants to start ? 197.45 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 196.507 197.214 196.73 197.13 Yes ? 197.13 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 198.258 200.177 198.49 200.11 Yeah sure . Doesn't matter . 199.39 200.11 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 198.54 200.998 198.68 200.92 Oh . No . Yeah . No problem 199.24 199.69 200.13 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 204.32 205.007 204.34 204.92 No . 204.92 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 208.681 209.928 208.97 209.81 Ah . 209.81 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 211.982 212.79 212.06 212.51 Yes . 212.51 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 223.408 229.606 223.43 229.36 So welcome to the marketing presentation once again . Um this time about trendwatching . 226.89 229.36 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 230.982 247.807 230.982 247.55 Uh well there has been inv investigation again , in the in the remote control market . Uh it shows a number of developments . Uh I will address them uh in a moment . Um fashion watch watchers uh have detected the trends for young public , because that's our public . 234.04 236.5 238.36 241.68 246.44 247.55 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 247.807 267.811 247.92 267.25 Um well fruit and vegetables will be will be the most important theme for clothing , uh shoes and furniture . And the feel of the material is expected to be spongey . So um the developments I will address them oh yeah well this is the fruit and vegetables looks of fresh bright colours . So to give you an idea . 253.13 255.09 258.23 265.93 267.25 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 267.811 287.437 268.37 287.26 Um well the developments ? Uh development one . Uh well most important aspect for remote control happens to be a fancy look-and-feel . Instead of the current uh functional look-and-feel . Um well fancy stands for an original look-and-feel of the case and the interface . 270.56 272.9 278.71 281.65 287.26 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 287.437 308.878 287.74 308.48 And the second most important aspect is that a remote control should be technological uh innovative . Um well it stands for the use of technical features that do not exist in current remote controls . I think we pretty much covered that with our screen and um and speech recognition , so I don't expect that to be a problem . 295.76 301.36 306.37 308.48 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 304.594 305.671 304.74 305.5 Sound . 305.5 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 306.377 307.807 306.54 307.53 Yeah yeah uh uh . 307.53 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 308.878 316.048 309.16 316.048 And the third development um is that the remote control should be easy to use . Um 315.37 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 318.464 336.116 318.48 335.77 Well the first aspect uh was twice as important as the second aspect,w which was twice as important as the third aspect . So um that kind of gets you this ratios . So fancy look-and-feel uh is the most important uh point of attention . 327.32 330.67 335.77 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 327.296 328.181 327.68 327.92 Mm-hmm . 327.92 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 334.437 335.832 334.437 335.832 . 335.832 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 336.116 362.682 336.17 362.65 Uh so the fruits and vegetables in combination with the spongey material . Um well technolog technological innovation , we've covered that pretty much I guess . Um and easy to use , I don't think that will be problem . So my point of attention is especially this part . That this will be a crux . So that was the marketing uh presentation . I had only one document left . 340.16 343.03 345.1 347.38 348.96 353.36 357.88 360.43 362.65 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 353.378 354.388 353.65 354.29 Yeah . 354.29 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 361.861 364.354 362.09 364.354 And shall I go first ? So I 363.6 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 363.244 366.342 363.39 366.342 Yeah . No . I I don't mi I don't mind . That's 363.63 363.97 365.91 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 366.48 367.879 366.5 367.879 So kind of this - TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 366.996 369.911 366.996 369.55 Yeah yeah sure . No . 369.36 369.55 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 367.383 368.36 367.55 367.8 Yeah ? 367.8 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 367.453 370.113 367.57 370.02 Do you want to go first ? Okay . Yeah . 368.39 369.79 370.02 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 368.469 382.32 368.469 382.18 So a k a small example . Kind of this this look . Uh nothing about the buttons but just sponge kind of thing , and and some fruit and colours I dunno . Just made a quick design . 370.97 372.82 376.63 379.93 382.18 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 374.805 375.714 374.98 375.39 Yeah . 375.39 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 382.804 383.612 382.98 383.36 Cool . 383.36 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 384.132 386.489 384.16 386.489 It's better than than my uh drawing . 386.33 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 384.407 385.249 384.5 384.95 Alright . 384.95 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 384.536 388.831 384.536 388.64 Yeah you're just the user interface hmm ? 388.64 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 384.488 385.68 384.84 385.33 Alright . 385.33 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 388.846 391.36 389.14 391.36 Yeah okay but I have to design the - TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 388.816 391.439 389.23 391.34 Uh components . 391.34 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 391.322 392.636 391.6 392.52 Yeah layout . 392.52 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 392.816 393.324 392.84 393.06 Yeah . 393.06 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 394.88 395.864 395.04 395.45 Oh no . 395.45 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 395.295 396.339 395.42 396.15 Yeah okay . 396.15 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 395.545 397.228 395.75 396.85 Yeah . It's okay . 396.31 396.85 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 396.804 398.218 396.89 398.11 You probably opened it . 398.11 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 398.592 400.41 398.98 400.41 Yeah true . Um 399.7 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 400.204 401.147 400.38 400.93 F_ five . 400.93 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 401.088 402.043 401.15 401.89 F_ five . 401.89 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 403.886 428.636 403.97 428.4 Alright . So I'm dealing with the components design . Um let's see . I uh used some design examples we had uh from similar products . And I used uh possibilities from our manufacturing department about current components which will have to be implemented in the design . That's why I had to , wanted to go first . 404.95 408.83 410.73 416.63 426.27 427.29 428.4 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 428.636 453.484 428.84 453.42 Well they gave me um an idea about what people want . We're f mainly focusing on this group , but I want to make the distinction clear . Uh I could not drag the pictures into the the slides so s so I don't have examples of how it looks like . But it comes down to what you uh what you think we should do with the spongey and the fruity looking uh type . 432.97 435.01 437.93 446.22 453.42 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 453.484 473.411 453.5 473.13 If you , the young dynamic people want soft primary colours uh , which looks like fruits you know , you can and shapes that are curved and not uh solid straight lines anymore . So this basically um yeah goes on to what you were mentioning earlier . 453.89 458.4 460.16 467.05 473.13 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 473.411 503.139 473.51 503.139 There is a lot of um factors involved in choosing the components . There's a lot of options that we have to discuss . Uh for example the energy source . we have four types . The basic battery . Uh we have a hand dynamo , which we yeah we Dutch refer to it as the kneipgatt . Uh the kinetic provision of energy which means if you move the thing , if you shake it . Which will be fun for toddlers right , if they wanna use the 478.95 481.75 484.25 485.37 487.32 489.6 493.79 498.07 499.49 501.55 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 491.799 492.64 491.99 492.6 Yeah . 492.6 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 501.697 502.505 501.82 502.17 Yeah . 502.17 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 503.139 523.063 503.49 522.81 And uh of course solar cells . But I dunno how we would use that into the design of the actual product . So uh my yeah also also in you know countries where there's n isn't much light like in Scandinavia , they wouldn't be y able to use it half of the year you know . So that's not cool either . 505.45 510.18 519.2 521.75 522.81 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 508.383 511.941 508.44 511.54 Wi an indoors . Oh . 511.43 511.54 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 511.41 512.42 511.55 512.24 Yeah okay . 512.24 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 513.026 514.44 513.18 514.2 Calculator's can do it . 514.2 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 520.766 522.65 520.766 522.47 Yeah . 522.47 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 520.727 521.41 520.85 521.36 Yeah . 521.36 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 521.89 522.583 522.01 522.48 Mm-hmm . 522.48 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 523.063 547.611 523.44 547.31 So um for the uh a case , there's uh the traditional uncurved flat hard case . Single curved , which means that it has uh curves in one dimension . Or the double curved . Um I wasn't able to finish my uh personal preferences sheet , but well you know that we will have to go for the double curved 'cause it's daring and different from what we have now . 525.85 530.16 531.03 534.07 535.75 540.0 547.31 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 547.35 548.226 547.49 548.16 Yeah . 548.16 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 547.611 562.757 547.84 562.26 Uh the case materials . Well we have all kinds of hard uh materials like the the hard plastic , the wood and the titanium . I would definitely go for rubber 'cause it fits most in what people wanna see nowadays . 549.62 554.98 556.61 562.26 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 562.45 563.325 562.56 563.11 Yeah . 563.11 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 562.757 586.601 563.16 586.41 Um poo , this is a lot of text . I wasn't able to organise this yet . We have yeah several uh interface designs . Uh we can use a scroll buttons for the menus , but we already kind of decided to go for the f for the pushbuttons , for the the arrow buttons . So that's not really interesting . 564.26 565.76 567.9 574.18 577.17 581.76 584.56 586.41 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 579.019 582.218 579.17 582.03 Yeah . Pushbuttons . Yeah . 579.81 581.63 582.03 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 584.705 585.615 584.84 585.52 Yeah . 585.52 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 586.601 597.088 586.83 596.93 Electronics ? Yeah , maybe we wanna decide on what electronics to use the advanced chip I think 588.92 590.45 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 598.128 606.224 598.15 606.224 is easiest to implement uh for the production , 'cause they they can print it better . Um 602.12 605.04 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 609.28 631.6 609.37 631.36 Yeah . I think this is about it . Yeah I was working on some per personal preferences . I first uh chose for the battery , 'cause yeah I'm traditional and that's the most obvious , easiest choice to go to . But I really think that we should maybe uh think about the kinetic energy , where you have to move the thing to be able to use it . 611.1 613.27 616.94 619.26 622.28 623.59 628.15 631.36 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 627.45 632.417 628.18 632.22 Yeah . Yeah . As an optional uh feature . 629.61 630.47 632.22 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 629.955 630.763 630.14 630.5 Yeah . 630.5 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 630.392 631.167 630.53 631.08 Yeah . 631.08 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 633.312 636.154 633.33 635.93 Or combine uh both with a with one uh - TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 636.184 638.204 636.33 638.05 I guess we can only choose one . 638.05 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 636.236 640.681 636.35 640.681 Uh I think you can only fit one uh source of energy on the - TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 636.463 637.507 636.69 637.507 Yeah maybe we - TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 639.723 640.699 639.91 640.49 Okay . 640.49 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 640.065 651.143 640.28 651.06 I can imagine that the kinetic uh type energy source would be more expensive to make . But it is more longlasting , that the people don't have to ever buy batteries again . 645.93 647.61 651.06 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 650.711 652.562 650.88 652.38 Yeah . And it's more fun . 651.44 652.38 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 650.984 654.755 651.07 654.46 Yeah I didn't receive any info uh . 654.46 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 652.523 657.136 652.64 657.136 And it's also more fun yeah . I always chuck my uh remote control around , so 653.85 656.35 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 655.66 665.862 655.82 665.76 Yeah , just playing with it and especially when the material's rubber . It can be done , I mean , you can't harm it , so it's a perfect combination I guess . 656.64 661.28 662.07 662.79 663.59 665.76 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 657.448 658.054 657.59 657.93 Yeah . 657.93 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 661.119 663.754 661.5 663.23 S yeah it's safe . 663.23 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 662.899 666.057 662.899 665.44 And throw it . 665.44 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 663.227 672.576 663.28 672.48 Yeah y exactly . You don't have to be scared about bouncing it off the g floor and breaking it or whatever . So that's the end of it . 665.22 670.08 672.48 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 668.791 669.599 668.95 669.44 Yeah . 669.44 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 669.671 670.58 669.85 670.44 Okay . 670.44 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 672.768 673.644 672.9 673.51 Yeah . 673.51 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 673.29 674.132 673.43 674.132 So - TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 674.574 676.021 674.7 675.68 Uh go ahead . 675.68 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 674.972 676.251 675.02 676.04 'Kay next . 676.04 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 677.263 681.27 677.42 681.27 So double curved is like this , this , this , or 679.78 680.12 680.72 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 680.384 699.169 680.79 699.1 No it means curved in two dimensions . So uh w single curved ? Uh let's say would be a b square box , but then with curves on one dimension . And double curved would means that it would have curves curves in every direction . Like three D_ . Yeah . 683.35 686.02 689.19 691.51 696.87 698.73 699.1 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 688.879 689.553 688.96 689.32 Mm . 689.32 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 691.304 692.078 691.42 692.03 Yeah . 692.03 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 694.507 697.47 694.64 697.29 Also in in height ? Yeah okay . 696.63 697.29 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 695.186 695.688 695.34 695.688 Uh - TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 696.836 698.574 697.18 698.574 Okay . Can we uh 697.82 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 697.03 708.477 697.53 708.477 Yeah . One one uh very important thing I was uh yeah thinking about is the speech uh option . We were going to use that . Yeah . So um 698.39 704.44 706.43 707.03 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 705.945 706.652 706.11 706.51 Yeah . 706.51 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 709.52 718.949 709.54 718.66 Yeah um yeah that's one thing uh which I'm not sure uh of how to implement it uh into the remote control . 718.66 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 717.231 718.241 717.43 717.87 Design ? 717.87 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 717.696 722.847 717.84 722.847 Well the visual representation is not there with speech but you can - TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 720.944 725.152 720.97 725.152 No okay but it has to be combined with with the menu uh for functions and - TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 724.984 739.293 725.09 739.15 Yeah . Just yeah . I think you can just uh match the speech commands with the functions that are already present . So I don't think you have to design anything else for that . 726.32 727.6 735.72 739.15 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 726.192 727.12 726.21 726.91 So okay . 726.91 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 733.697 734.269 733.78 734.05 Yeah . 734.05 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 735.616 736.289 735.64 736.07 Okay . 736.07 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 735.903 737.409 736.01 737.2 Yeah with the programme . 737.2 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 737.6 757.136 737.62 757.136 But do uh j do we uh do the speech just for the basic options , for the simple buttons ? For for everything , also for the advanced options ? Okay . Uh we have this very uh basic uh trendy design . Everybody says it so that's what's uh yeah um 742.04 743.72 744.6 745.88 747.06 751.16 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 742.559 743.367 742.76 743.28 Both . 743.28 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 744.748 745.556 744.97 745.33 Yeah . 745.33 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 758.128 765.936 758.15 765.9 Yeah in the in the last uh meeting we uh we were yeah putting the the simple and the advanced options separated . That's 765.5 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 766.928 776.064 766.95 776.03 yeah obvious . Um yeah . Pressing the the menu option uh will disable uh all other options on your uh remote control . 768.86 770.15 776.03 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 777.2 784.907 777.27 784.83 And only the the L_C_D_ panel will uh light up and then you can only uh change the yeah the options . 784.83 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 783.848 787.787 784.0 787.54 And and the and the buttons that you need to control it , I guess . 787.18 787.54 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 785.782 786.355 785.81 786.14 Yeah . 786.14 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 786.226 786.765 786.28 786.69 Yeah . 786.69 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 788.048 810.671 788.07 810.671 Um yeah design has to be very attractive but that's your your op your yeah . you have to uh delete this but this is the the the simple uh layout . Uh display on the upper side with the the menu button and maybe a some sort of cancel button or save button . I'm 797.31 801.22 810.03 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 798.886 799.627 799.03 799.55 Yeah . 799.55 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 809.743 811.224 809.97 811.05 That would be the back . 811.05 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 811.344 812.422 811.52 811.92 The back . 811.92 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 811.506 813.829 811.62 813.55 Yeah . Back and okay . 812.85 813.55 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 811.931 813.076 812.02 812.9 Back and okay . 812.9 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 812.96 815.518 813.05 815.518 Back and okay yeah . Uh 814.83 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 814.76 820.113 814.94 819.95 You did read the minutes I wrote ? You did read the minutes I wrote ? 817.45 819.95 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 816.798 817.538 817.06 817.28 What ? 817.28 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 820.569 823.33 820.72 823.0 A little bit I think but not not everything w - TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 820.979 821.72 821.14 821.72 I - TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 822.201 826.679 822.34 826.679 Oh okay 'cause I pretty much summed up all the buttons there were . So 826.14 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 825.619 829.727 825.72 829.727 Okay . Oh I uh didn't read that . But 826.64 829.35 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 828.868 831.898 829.01 831.898 I hate doing work for nothing . 830.61 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 830.736 837.37 830.736 837.26 But this is the the basic uh design uh for the for the m yeah for the buttons . 837.26 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 838.624 839.392 838.64 839.392 Um - TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 840.512 869.488 840.53 869.42 I wanted to to categorise everything . Uh with a speech display uh yeah , sound , everything you you noted in your uh minutes . Um every pushbutton has uh has its own uh LED light . So you can uh yeah change uh m make it more trendy for for younger people . And uh if there are older people they wanted more uh yeah more uh luxurous so that's an a also an option . 842.85 846.06 847.21 850.37 855.18 860.51 869.42 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 854.988 855.786 855.26 855.74 Mm-hmm . 855.74 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 870.816 872.817 870.92 872.73 Um that was it . 872.73 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 872.444 877.004 872.444 877.004 That was it ? Okay . Uh 875.58 876.15 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 874.176 875.152 874.176 875.07 Yeah . 875.07 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 880.036 882.608 880.036 882.0 again . Ugh . 881.92 882.0 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 894.944 920.331 895.31 920.331 Okay so what we have to decide is what kind of components do we use ? Uh energy source , chip type , case type . And user interface . But I didn't see a clear distinction between these so I think what we have is okay . So we only , we already decided that kinetic would be the choice for energy . Uh the case would be doubly curved . So 900.3 901.24 901.98 903.52 905.86 911.1 912.73 916.84 919.83 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 916.047 916.889 916.24 916.52 No . 916.52 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 919.583 921.031 919.66 920.87 Rubber material . 920.87 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 919.824 921.878 920.0 921.81 And rubber . Rubber material . 920.66 921.81 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 920.888 926.24 920.98 926.19 Rubber material . And that's the only thing we have left . 922.79 926.19 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 926.243 933.818 926.48 933.58 Yeah we need the the chip on print to be able to support the the screen and uh and f audio function . 933.58 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 931.191 933.11 931.32 933.11 Oh okay . No it's easy . 931.76 932.98 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 933.167 937.229 933.37 937.229 So that's uh is that is that the advanced chip ? 937.17 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 936.344 942.842 936.51 942.65 Yeah . Yeah . Otherwise you would have a simple chip , just for pressing buttons . But we need more . 937.62 938.37 940.05 941.59 942.65 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 937.184 939.103 937.27 939.02 Advanced chip . Okay . 938.48 939.02 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 938.083 938.857 938.36 938.82 Wow . 938.82 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 941.024 941.753 941.04 941.65 Yeah . 941.65 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 942.729 946.231 942.89 946.12 Alright . Kinetic . Double curved . 943.95 945.24 946.12 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 943.751 950.182 944.0 950.06 I'm just thinking , this is not my department , but I I'm not sure what this is gonna cost , to be able to m 945.33 946.76 949.13 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 943.918 945.568 944.65 945.26 Too . 945.26 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 949.522 952.25 949.82 952.25 Uh I didn't get any info on this . So 951.76 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 951.475 952.553 951.475 952.553 . 952.553 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 951.945 956.827 952.14 956.29 So 'cause we need to sell it for twenty five Euro a piece . That's gonna be difficult huh ? 955.07 956.29 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 954.539 955.28 954.62 955.05 Yeah . 955.05 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 954.835 956.721 954.835 956.42 Yeah . 956.42 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 956.778 961.121 957.0 961.04 The cost of making it should be twelve and a half ? 961.04 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 960.162 961.745 960.29 961.55 I have total here . 961.55 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 960.699 961.608 960.79 961.17 Yeah . 961.17 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 963.931 964.941 963.95 964.67 Yeah yeah yeah . 964.67 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 964.0 967.266 964.12 967.266 Yeah I don't know . I didn't get any information about that so 964.83 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 964.953 965.743 964.953 965.743 . 965.743 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 966.332 969.497 966.55 969.26 We're going to produce it in uh China so it's no problem . 969.26 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 969.344 970.061 969.54 970.0 Yeah . 970.0 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 969.588 971.675 969.588 971.58 Child labour man , we love it . 970.66 971.58 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 971.271 973.426 971.271 973.17 Yeah , so it's cheap . 972.48 973.17 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 972.532 976.438 972.72 976.29 Who doesn't . Uh let's see . Is there a new thing ? 974.17 975.36 976.29 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 975.985 979.588 976.13 979.41 Um well the interface type supplements . 979.41 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 978.29 980.31 978.45 980.31 Yeah the interface , maybe can 979.37 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 980.832 988.211 980.9 987.95 Uh it's it's quite difficult because we we haven't got all the options uh yeah . 987.95 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 981.728 982.263 981.75 982.06 Ooh . 982.06 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 986.573 991.489 986.72 991.44 No . Uh do you have a picture of doubly curved case ? 987.49 991.44 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 992.196 995.765 992.27 995.49 And could you put that in the group folder ? Of the project folder . 994.48 995.49 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 994.135 997.184 994.37 996.89 Um let me see . Wait a sec . 996.31 996.89 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 996.627 999.287 996.78 999.06 If you go to your homepage or something , you should 998.6 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 998.613 1001.24 998.79 1001.03 Yeah I'm going there now . 1001.03 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1000.701 1002.586 1000.81 1002.23 get your own information . 1002.23 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1002.64 1003.933 1002.66 1003.62 Inspiration . 1003.62 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1006.128 1010.768 1006.15 1010.768 I got my fresh and fyoo fruity uh picture uh also uh over there , so 1010.44 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1007.228 1014.13 1007.228 1013.99 Ah you didn't draw it yourself . Ah . 1013.32 1013.99 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1009.744 1010.497 1009.79 1010.497 Well - TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1011.54 1015.243 1011.74 1015.02 No . Too less time . 1014.14 1015.02 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1017.871 1020.43 1018.1 1020.43 Um yeah maybe it's - TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1019.312 1022.55 1019.34 1022.3 Yeah , also the menu . Yeah that that w 1019.58 1020.8 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1020.886 1025.503 1021.06 1025.47 Yeah . This is the the menu I was uh looking uh at . 1021.51 1025.47 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1023.324 1032.954 1023.44 1032.65 Yeah . Yeah I was thinking of that also , with with a with a uh arrow . So that indicates that there's an menu under that menu . 1024.45 1025.82 1029.09 1032.65 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1024.571 1026.086 1024.75 1026.086 Maybe it's easier - TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1026.656 1027.363 1026.8 1027.24 Yeah . 1027.24 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1027.512 1029.835 1027.61 1029.49 Arrow . Yeah . 1029.14 1029.49 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1028.07 1029.215 1028.09 1028.95 Arrow yeah . 1028.95 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1032.245 1034.198 1032.39 1033.88 Yeah . Yeah perfect . 1033.04 1033.88 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1034.16 1034.873 1034.19 1034.873 So - TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1033.996 1034.939 1034.2 1034.37 Yeah . 1034.37 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1035.038 1036.418 1035.038 1036.418 . 1036.418 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1036.704 1052.613 1036.96 1052.34 Maybe it's easier if you guys come over here . S see this is the the the standard traditional type , where the form uh yeah serves the function , you know . It's like really basic . But this m is more appealing to old people and we don't want that . 1038.89 1043.2 1046.78 1047.26 1049.07 1052.34 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1036.991 1038.371 1037.16 1038.32 'S the target group . 1038.32 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1037.612 1039.059 1038.26 1038.68 S yeah . 1038.68 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1038.982 1039.723 1039.07 1039.64 Oh yeah . 1039.64 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1039.027 1041.5 1039.17 1041.5 Yeah sure . 1041.42 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1051.435 1055.073 1051.7 1055.073 Yeah . 1054.89 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1051.674 1052.296 1051.7 1052.1 Yeah . 1052.1 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1052.613 1074.524 1052.85 1074.524 This is what we're looking for . And th that means curved in both dire dire uh dimensions . Not only like this but it has to be exactly . It has to be kind of instead of the PlayStation , the module . It has to be like the the Game Cube , you know , where your thumbs would be laying in the instrument and it has to be nice to hold . And 1054.25 1058.17 1062.48 1066.05 1066.72 1068.38 1068.69 1074.0 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1057.624 1061.731 1057.81 1061.59 Oh okay . I see . Yeah also like this . So you can hold it . 1058.61 1059.38 1060.57 1061.59 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1068.792 1069.567 1068.94 1069.35 Yeah . 1069.35 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1072.402 1078.464 1072.77 1078.43 But it has also to it it has also to be uh luxurous uh for for yeah rich people . 1078.43 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1079.247 1083.413 1079.29 1083.413 Th this looks a little bit like like for only for children . So 1082.76 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1079.302 1079.874 1079.33 1079.79 It ha - TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1079.54 1080.55 1079.54 1080.55 . 1080.55 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1080.95 1083.109 1081.1 1082.8 The children's story . Yeah I've got it . 1082.22 1082.8 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1082.198 1095.648 1082.46 1095.648 Yeah but that's that's the the problem uh yeah the dilemma actually , 'cause we wanna appeal to the to the young public with fancy with flashy colours , and with a lot of shape . And 1087.59 1093.26 1095.18 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1083.951 1085.466 1084.07 1085.29 Distinction . Yeah . 1084.95 1085.29 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1096.507 1101.491 1096.69 1101.491 Yeah , and the and the rubber , it it will look cheap always , you know , with the 1097.26 1098.55 1100.4 1100.7 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1096.482 1098.461 1096.71 1098.461 Yeah . The colour 1097.63 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1099.667 1111.711 1100.07 1111.53 Yeah . Okay but the the colours , you you can make it uh make the colours with LEDs uh beneath the the buttons . If you press a button and you can disable the the colour LEDs for for people that don't like it . 1100.33 1101.82 1106.22 1111.53 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1106.239 1107.013 1106.39 1106.7 Mm-hmm . 1106.7 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1111.908 1112.784 1112.03 1112.67 Mm . 1112.67 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1112.372 1138.416 1112.56 1138.22 There is mobile phones , in which you can change the colour also of the lights . Maybe we should consider this function . To customise it and so I mean kids can make it look more flashy with different kinds of colours and people who want something , you know , different , or more uh design , they can go for one colour like uh for example this uh photo th camera . 1113.87 1116.83 1119.68 1127.1 1128.42 1129.08 1131.92 1138.22 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1116.119 1116.9 1116.3 1116.86 Yeah . 1116.86 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1119.202 1119.774 1119.3 1119.56 Mm-hmm . 1119.56 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1124.777 1125.399 1124.99 1125.32 Yeah . 1125.32 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1127.72 1128.529 1127.84 1128.44 Different . 1128.44 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1131.5 1132.107 1131.52 1131.99 Mm-hmm . 1131.99 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1136.955 1137.561 1137.03 1137.5 Camera . 1137.5 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1138.119 1143.977 1138.36 1143.79 Yeah . Cool . S underwater uh yeah . 1140.14 1140.57 1143.79 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1141.602 1143.42 1141.72 1143.42 Yeah submarine . 1143.19 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1144.306 1146.394 1144.51 1146.15 Personally I think it's really ugly . 1146.15 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1146.32 1148.302 1146.32 1148.302 Well - TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1146.356 1147.13 1146.56 1146.84 Yeah . 1146.84 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1147.303 1154.104 1147.43 1154.04 Just give me the thing that it's inside there maybe I'm too old for this stuff . Yeah . 1153.47 1154.04 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1149.937 1150.846 1150.04 1150.57 Yeah . 1150.57 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1149.917 1152.526 1150.2 1152.14 Very cheap uh cheap look . 1152.14 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1150.12 1153.386 1150.27 1153.19 Yeah but this this the is for the . 1153.19 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1155.137 1155.609 1155.18 1155.5 Yeah . 1155.5 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1155.507 1156.45 1155.7 1156.28 Okay . 1156.28 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1156.731 1159.184 1156.88 1158.92 So those I think are all my oh . 1158.92 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1157.056 1158.066 1157.19 1158.066 Uh - TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1157.317 1158.027 1157.317 1158.027 . 1158.027 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1159.059 1160.574 1159.18 1160.41 Ah yeah bright colours . 1160.41 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1160.323 1162.713 1160.47 1162.713 Yeah . Also a kind of rubber uh 1160.98 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1160.864 1164.464 1161.31 1164.41 And this is , this is with the curved that I mean . 1162.56 1164.41 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1164.397 1165.104 1164.53 1164.95 Yeah . 1164.95 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1165.153 1166.5 1165.29 1166.34 That's singly curved . 1166.34 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1166.618 1167.949 1166.75 1167.7 Yeah . Yeah ? 1167.57 1167.7 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1167.274 1167.914 1167.36 1167.81 Okay . 1167.81 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1168.033 1169.245 1168.12 1169.15 That should be nice . 1169.15 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1168.79 1175.254 1168.93 1175.05 Well we could make a compromise between that . But I don't know if it's worth the effort . 1171.77 1175.05 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1175.978 1177.426 1176.01 1177.37 A compromise between what ? 1177.37 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1177.241 1181.214 1177.59 1181.08 Uh instead of doubly curved we take a single curved . 1181.08 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1182.157 1185.288 1182.29 1185.03 So to appeal a little more to the all the public . 1185.03 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1182.56 1183.402 1182.74 1183.15 So s - TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1183.222 1186.623 1183.36 1186.26 This , this would be uh single curved uh ? 1184.28 1186.26 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1186.076 1186.952 1186.28 1186.51 Mm-hmm . 1186.51 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1186.297 1196.095 1186.45 1195.99 Yeah there's only in in this dimension . Like this . So curvy or not . Yeah so we keep it singly c single curved then ? 1189.49 1189.84 1191.9 1195.99 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1188.467 1189.241 1188.65 1188.94 Yeah . 1188.94 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1189.653 1190.293 1189.75 1190.12 Yeah . 1190.12 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1191.8 1192.642 1191.87 1192.46 Also . 1192.46 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1191.774 1194.266 1191.9 1194.11 Yeah . Exactly . Exactly . 1192.83 1193.53 1194.11 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1195.841 1198.433 1195.94 1198.26 Yeah that would be an option . I don't know what you think . 1196.99 1198.26 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1198.419 1199.092 1198.6 1198.93 Yeah . 1198.93 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1198.864 1221.251 1198.88 1221.251 I think the I mean our aim is to make something different right ? To make something new . I would go for the double curved . And I I'm I'm thinking uh you know uh a drawing palette , where you have the shape for your thumb . So it kind of holds nicely , something like that . Well this is really your decision but 1203.49 1205.19 1207.91 1213.99 1216.6 1218.32 1219.12 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1203.57 1204.378 1203.77 1204.16 Yeah . 1204.16 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1205.008 1205.571 1205.03 1205.3 Mm-hmm . 1205.3 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1206.581 1207.288 1206.78 1207.09 Okay . 1207.09 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1207.962 1209.006 1208.12 1208.95 Yeah I'd agree . 1208.95 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1213.768 1214.509 1213.91 1214.36 Mm-hmm . 1214.36 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1218.068 1233.04 1218.33 1233.0 Yeah but if you if you make it more curved we we can make more and more options for buttons . If you have uh it have it in your hand , you you you are not only um yeah you don't need one dimension but you can use other dimensions for pressing the the buttons . 1223.37 1225.46 1233.0 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1218.568 1219.275 1218.63 1219.19 Yeah . 1219.19 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1233.393 1237.366 1233.59 1237.15 Yeah . As well . You can make a trigger button or something like that . 1233.86 1234.62 1237.15 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1235.699 1236.148 1235.75 1236.07 Yeah . 1236.07 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1236.822 1239.448 1236.88 1239.448 Something to shoot at your television - TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1238.931 1258.594 1239.18 1258.5 Yeah or that that is the confirmation button or something , that you scroll with your thumb , with the arrows , and then confirm . That would be a nice way to use it but I mean , yeah , I'm thinking big already , and we need something that well that that you can able to use in one hand I think . 1242.1 1243.54 1244.74 1246.32 1250.0 1250.52 1251.85 1258.5 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1241.533 1242.307 1241.64 1241.99 Mm-hmm . 1241.99 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1241.865 1242.432 1241.92 1242.16 Yeah . 1242.16 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1244.479 1246.222 1244.74 1245.65 That's yeah . 1245.65 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1246.112 1246.752 1246.22 1246.69 Mm-hmm . 1246.69 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1253.183 1253.89 1253.35 1253.71 Different . 1253.71 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1255.472 1256.449 1255.49 1256.23 Stands out . 1256.23 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1257.189 1257.829 1257.34 1257.829 Or - TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1258.233 1260.388 1258.28 1260.22 Oh yeah a one hand uh solution . 1260.22 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1259.402 1260.311 1259.64 1260.19 Yeah . 1260.19 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1259.694 1272.556 1259.88 1272.556 So from top view it looks kinda like this . But from the side you you can have it also in a kind of shape . Maybe because the the screen is on top you can have 1264.13 1269.58 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1269.595 1275.824 1269.595 1275.63 can turn it maybe . To switch from buttons to interface hmm . If you turn it a little . 1271.79 1274.75 1275.63 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1276.29 1277.32 1276.29 1277.32 . 1277.32 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1276.578 1282.528 1276.88 1282.49 Maybe you can c have this kind of shape . A little upwards . So that the screen is more 1279.2 1281.16 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1277.168 1278.003 1277.168 1278.003 . 1278.003 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1282.895 1285.353 1283.08 1285.3 Oh yeah . Least you can easily see it . 1283.56 1285.3 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1283.744 1299.552 1283.76 1299.52 towards yourself , so you can easily see your screen . Well well you have it in your hand so it's a kind of an angle from your eyes to the screen . So then you have double double curved in some way . So this this is so the screen is positioned over here . 1284.73 1286.58 1291.55 1295.08 1299.52 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1286.151 1287.532 1286.48 1287.532 How about - TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1296.357 1297.166 1296.5 1297.09 Mm-hmm . 1297.09 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1300.744 1306.906 1300.95 1306.906 Oh . Something like that . And the buttons are more , well it's very thick now but 1301.56 1303.21 1304.81 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1306.896 1308.815 1307.17 1308.7 Yeah I understand what you mean . 1308.7 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1308.779 1311.552 1308.9 1311.552 That's uh that's - TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1310.303 1322.032 1310.54 1322.032 How about we do a uh a pop-up screen , like the laptop . So that the only the simple functions will be visible at first . And then if you want 1314.02 1316.02 1320.25 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1315.806 1317.354 1315.98 1317.17 If you can uh flip . 1317.17 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1319.553 1323.391 1319.75 1323.391 Yeah ? That that you can press it and then it comes up ? Or 1320.09 1322.95 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1323.074 1327.919 1323.074 1327.65 Uh so you have a the the side view . 1327.65 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1322.963 1324.411 1323.11 1324.35 Yeah . Something like that . 1323.41 1324.35 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1328.272 1335.642 1328.38 1335.642 But then the side view can be straight . If you have a pop-up screen . But I dunno if that's too expensive . I mean maybe it's too much 1330.44 1331.8 1334.2 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1333.643 1336.202 1333.77 1335.89 So and you want to be able to - TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1334.175 1334.983 1334.24 1334.92 Yeah . 1334.92 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1338.88 1339.616 1338.91 1339.58 make this - TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1340.036 1345.301 1340.8 1344.91 No uh like I would draw it like this . 1344.91 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1341.959 1342.767 1341.959 1342.767 . 1342.767 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1346.72 1358.197 1346.9 1357.96 Let's say this is the side view . That you have a a screen that will come up here , and can go down that way . If you know what I mean . So that it would come up like that . 1349.32 1352.82 1355.34 1356.37 1357.96 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1356.123 1357.739 1356.33 1357.59 Okay . Yeah . 1357.01 1357.59 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1358.439 1363.288 1358.59 1363.2 Okay so the buttons are on top here , and you flip it over that way . 1361.41 1363.2 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1362.304 1370.924 1362.45 1370.86 Yeah or preferably even keep the simple buttons here , and then under the screen even you could put more more advanced buttons . 1366.68 1370.86 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1366.385 1367.193 1366.51 1367.16 Yeah . 1367.16 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1368.486 1371.348 1368.61 1371.18 Oh the advanced buttons . Right . 1370.46 1371.18 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1368.641 1373.187 1368.67 1372.79 Oh yeah . Yeah yeah yeah yeah . Right . Yeah that's good idea . 1369.54 1371.31 1371.65 1372.79 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1371.143 1375.857 1371.52 1375.71 That's the the more advanced options were uh for the for the menu . 1375.71 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1372.233 1372.772 1372.29 1372.6 Yeah . 1372.6 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1375.862 1376.67 1376.0 1376.38 Yeah . 1376.38 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1376.172 1376.846 1376.31 1376.7 Yeah . 1376.7 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1377.088 1382.759 1377.11 1382.6 But you you want okay . You just want to hide them all ? The oh . 1379.72 1381.45 1382.6 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1377.344 1383.517 1377.38 1383.39 F for the L_C_D_ menu right ? So w w 1379.99 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1379.203 1380.011 1379.41 1379.95 Yeah . 1379.95 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1381.459 1382.233 1381.59 1381.91 Yeah . 1381.91 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1381.485 1397.872 1381.6 1397.84 No not all because you need most of them , the arrow buttons . But you can hide the okay and the back uh button . And the menu button also because when you flip it open and you can maybe even drop the menu button because maybe if you flip it open it will auto activate amauto uh uh automatically . 1384.7 1385.89 1388.54 1397.84 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1387.541 1388.652 1387.67 1388.57 Yeah yeah yeah . 1388.57 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1390.011 1391.762 1390.011 1391.69 Yeah . 1391.69 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1395.588 1396.328 1395.8 1396.328 Oh - TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1398.113 1400.167 1398.14 1399.88 Activate and th the yeah . 1399.88 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1399.575 1406.208 1399.77 1406.1 So okay b but you have t you need some button to flip this open . 1406.1 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1404.916 1408.014 1405.08 1407.66 Why ? You could just make it mechanical . 1405.49 1407.66 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1405.554 1412.052 1405.63 1412.052 True . True . But you can make a , yeah , you can make a trigger here . You know a simple uh with a 1406.56 1407.37 1408.09 1408.31 1409.72 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1409.575 1416.141 1409.75 1416.141 Yeah . Yeah and it says menu and it flips open and then you have the buttons to control it , in combination with your 1410.95 1414.87 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1412.707 1415.536 1413.31 1415.15 That's but it's it's not - TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1414.979 1417.888 1415.15 1417.67 Yeah . Exactly . 1417.07 1417.67 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1416.24 1422.226 1416.26 1422.04 it's not very uh very strong uh yeah if you drop it one time . 1422.04 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1420.585 1423.111 1420.71 1422.89 True . It uh c it can go open . 1420.93 1422.89 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1421.747 1431.141 1421.96 1430.95 Well yeah the the idea of it was , is that because you close it , you cover the L_C_D_ screen and it won't be vulnerable to scratches or whatever . 1425.01 1426.84 1430.95 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1423.384 1425.337 1423.6 1425.05 If you cover it with rubber . 1425.05 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1430.262 1436.493 1430.49 1436.16 An adv an adv and it will be covered in some kind of uh thin rubber layer or something like that . 1436.16 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1430.615 1431.679 1430.73 1431.4 Okay . 1431.4 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1430.675 1431.521 1430.88 1431.43 Mm . 1431.43 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1431.814 1432.387 1431.87 1432.387 And - TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1435.172 1441.873 1435.37 1441.76 Exactly . Exactly . We just have to make sure that the closing mechanism won't break . Th it's very solid yeah . 1436.09 1436.58 1440.22 1441.76 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1435.169 1437.256 1435.43 1437.11 Yeah . So it can bounce . 1436.01 1437.11 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1437.042 1438.486 1437.25 1438.486 Yeah , uh 1438.07 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1438.951 1442.082 1438.97 1441.89 It's very no it's very strong . Yeah . 1441.48 1441.89 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1441.297 1443.317 1441.47 1443.24 Yeah okay so that that may work . 1443.24 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1443.152 1447.024 1443.27 1447.024 That actually will offer some extra protection for the - TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1444.832 1449.31 1444.94 1449.17 Okay but then we still have the the the thing of the the the shape . 1449.17 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1449.684 1454.533 1449.85 1454.35 Yeah . Yeah I was thinking , if if you have your hand , it this is your th 1450.57 1451.82 1453.31 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1450.148 1451.529 1450.24 1451.529 Yeah . What kind of 1450.63 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1455.165 1455.839 1455.2 1455.64 Harder . 1455.64 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1456.022 1459.827 1456.26 1459.52 Yeah the lower part doesn't work I guess , so maybe you should try it over there . 1457.95 1459.52 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1459.172 1460.788 1459.172 1460.788 . 1460.788 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1459.21 1464.272 1459.28 1464.1 Okay . If this is your thumb , and this is your hand like that . 1460.91 1462.6 1464.1 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1465.573 1476.576 1465.73 1476.33 With your uh wrist . That you , that it would be kind of shape like this , you know . So it's easier to hold in your hand , to y f 1467.9 1468.87 1472.19 1472.55 1475.26 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1475.195 1478.428 1475.32 1478.19 But when you are left-handed , that's that's a problem . 1477.0 1478.19 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1475.652 1476.325 1475.74 1476.23 Yeah . 1476.23 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1478.098 1486.044 1478.13 1485.93 Uh yeah . Yeah of course . Yeah then w then you would have to to make it like this . Like like you drew here . 1478.91 1479.92 1484.03 1485.93 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1479.921 1481.807 1480.1 1481.74 Maybe can design two versions . 1481.74 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1481.761 1482.468 1481.86 1482.31 Yeah . 1482.31 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1482.4 1485.026 1482.6 1485.026 But that's that's very expensive uh - TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1486.071 1486.812 1486.24 1486.65 Yeah . 1486.65 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1487.088 1495.135 1487.17 1494.94 And maybe th then make this thicker also than the centre . Give it I would give it a female shape but uh yeah . Anyway . 1491.22 1494.49 1494.94 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1491.302 1495.006 1491.47 1494.91 Mm-hmm . And ergonomical shape . Yeah . 1492.32 1494.5 1494.91 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1494.014 1494.604 1494.07 1494.54 Yeah . 1494.54 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1494.455 1495.667 1494.59 1495.667 Yeah . 1495.45 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1495.645 1502.985 1495.74 1502.985 The female shape yeah . With two uh 1496.77 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1497.504 1501.801 1497.504 1501.71 Obviously . Make it more appealing to guys . 1500.15 1501.71 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1497.485 1498.562 1497.64 1498.28 Yeah . 1498.28 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1499.033 1507.955 1499.16 1507.955 We we could make some some rubber uh some rubber uh yeah mouse , with which you can change uh and so if you 1504.06 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1503.19 1503.864 1503.24 1503.864 I mean - TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1505.78 1509.551 1505.97 1509.37 Oh yeah . Some uh k esk uh yeah . 1506.63 1509.37 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1509.541 1510.955 1509.74 1510.955 Yeah . 1510.51 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1510.261 1513.897 1510.38 1513.897 Yeah but but that's optional for later I guess . I mean , we have to make 1512.52 1512.94 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1512.434 1513.224 1512.55 1513.18 Okay . 1513.18 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1512.474 1513.249 1512.57 1512.95 Yeah . 1512.95 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1513.359 1519.082 1513.43 1518.91 Yeah but we have hardware inside , which is so it has to have some sort of basic shape . 1515.56 1518.91 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1517.859 1519.117 1517.9 1518.96 Some yeah . 1518.96 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1518.645 1521.137 1518.88 1521.137 Yeah we we better so choose one - TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1519.107 1520.151 1519.18 1520.04 Yeah yeah . 1520.04 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1520.048 1523.257 1520.07 1523.16 And also the screen , you cannot mould it . You know kind of thing . 1521.04 1521.97 1523.16 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1521.868 1523.833 1521.98 1523.833 No no no no . 1523.76 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1522.456 1537.27 1522.56 1537.27 Yeah so okay we should better choose one sh one shape . But that's the kind of the idea , so it lays good in the hand , and then on on the side with with your thumb , you you can you can use , yeah , you can use the button option 1526.41 1527.5 1528.82 1531.89 1533.71 1534.14 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1525.678 1526.425 1525.86 1526.26 Okay . 1526.26 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1525.816 1526.658 1525.96 1526.46 Yeah . 1526.46 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1527.886 1530.19 1527.886 1530.19 And then you can - TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1530.863 1534.028 1530.94 1533.74 You can place the screen here , which can come . 1532.44 1533.74 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1534.05 1540.448 1534.15 1540.18 Yeah . So the keywords are primary co colours , spongey ? 1535.8 1539.42 1540.18 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1538.237 1539.887 1538.32 1539.887 And but then I w I would - TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1540.368 1541.446 1540.58 1541.16 Spongey . 1541.16 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1540.998 1543.422 1541.14 1543.28 I would do the arrows here , kind of thing . 1542.45 1543.28 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1543.499 1545.621 1543.58 1545.621 Spongey can be reached by means of - TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1544.365 1547.563 1544.46 1547.563 Those buttons ? And the simple buttons here , so that 1545.45 1546.95 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1545.075 1546.281 1545.075 1546.281 . 1546.281 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1546.898 1553.699 1547.03 1553.56 Yeah . And and the and the control thngs in the middle ? The the the arrows ? 1548.64 1551.31 1553.56 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1547.08 1547.788 1547.34 1547.68 Yeah . 1547.68 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1547.233 1548.075 1547.49 1547.84 Yeah . 1547.84 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1551.895 1558.08 1552.1 1558.08 I Uh y eah that's what I mean . The arrows over here , and here the s simple uh 1554.33 1555.84 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1553.359 1556.032 1553.71 1555.91 No the arrow's over here . Yeah . 1555.44 1555.91 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1554.252 1555.027 1554.43 1554.8 Yeah . 1554.8 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1555.181 1557.066 1555.4 1557.03 Yeah and then numbers . 1557.03 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1556.104 1557.114 1556.41 1557.06 Buttons . 1557.06 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1558.001 1565.341 1558.03 1565.341 Okay . I think that uh it's a nice design . It's cool . 1559.59 1562.99 1565.25 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1557.942 1559.154 1558.03 1559.11 Yeah . Alright . 1558.56 1559.11 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1560.299 1567.302 1560.45 1566.87 Uh pretty nice design . Yeah . Yeah it looks uh pretty fancy . 1562.75 1564.96 1566.87 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1566.89 1567.496 1566.97 1567.24 Yeah . 1567.24 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1568.09 1572.501 1568.09 1572.31 or do we wanna make its shape look like a banana or something ? I dunno . 1571.75 1572.31 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1571.376 1573.194 1571.376 1573.194 . 1573.194 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1572.647 1574.836 1572.75 1574.836 Yeah that's - TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1574.093 1592.746 1574.19 1592.746 Uh bananas wierd shape and other fruits also , so it's better to have um some sort of basic print and then a fruit print in some primary uh colours . I don't know what what colours should the basic print be like ? Like some soft green or something ? Or and then 1577.5 1585.49 1588.24 1591.18 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1577.663 1578.404 1577.77 1578.27 Yeah . 1578.27 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1585.07 1586.383 1585.42 1586.383 Yeah we could make - TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1589.262 1590.912 1589.44 1590.77 Orange or something . 1590.77 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1591.515 1593.603 1591.73 1593.603 Or blue ? Dark blue or 1592.53 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1593.443 1605.999 1593.66 1605.999 Oh yeah yeah , dark blue and then and then very bright , uh a yellow banana , an orange , uh a green apple , stuff like that , with very uh bright tones I guess . So you have something like 1594.1 1596.75 1598.43 1599.35 1600.59 1601.27 1604.9 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1594.599 1595.777 1594.79 1595.777 We should use - TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1597.019 1597.726 1597.12 1597.61 Yeah . 1597.61 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1604.38 1604.918 1604.47 1604.81 Mm . 1604.81 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1604.551 1608.692 1604.74 1608.43 Yeah w we need very primary colours , like bright red , bright yellow . 1606.86 1607.55 1608.43 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1606.669 1607.477 1606.87 1607.29 Yeah . 1607.29 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1606.767 1607.39 1606.95 1607.32 Yeah . 1607.32 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1607.924 1626.409 1608.03 1626.3 Yeah but the primary colours w we can uh create with the with the LEDs on the on the remote control . If you we uh yeah . If you make it uh just a yeah bl give it a blue colour , then it's just a neutral colour , also for the for the more uh yeah for the people . 1614.91 1616.76 1620.08 1622.9 1626.3 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1613.574 1615.426 1613.68 1615.28 Yeah . Yeah okay yeah . 1614.39 1615.28 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1626.014 1630.492 1626.14 1630.24 Mm . That doesn't really work . To draw , I guess . 1627.05 1628.3 1628.86 1630.24 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1626.617 1629.696 1626.617 1629.696 Huh cool . No it's 1628.46 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1631.163 1631.6 1631.163 1631.6 . 1631.6 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1631.502 1633.253 1631.72 1633.13 Oh . What's this ? 1632.33 1633.13 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1632.307 1633.385 1632.46 1633.23 Yeah it's text . 1633.23 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1634.364 1635.307 1634.49 1634.83 Right . 1634.83 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1636.583 1638.604 1636.82 1638.604 N no you have to exit . 1638.48 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1636.923 1637.563 1637.0 1637.47 Hm . 1637.47 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1639.656 1645.01 1639.656 1645.01 You could also make line with uh Yeah . 1644.92 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1640.625 1641.871 1640.73 1641.871 So that's - TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1642.344 1644.431 1642.46 1644.37 Yeah . Two hours further . 1643.16 1644.37 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1645.269 1647.7 1645.269 1647.59 thickness . Oh . 1647.35 1647.59 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1648.807 1650.389 1648.95 1650.06 So that's blue . 1650.06 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1651.471 1653.828 1651.58 1653.59 Oh . Wh why not go for the twenty ? 1651.91 1653.59 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1653.933 1654.64 1654.2 1654.47 Mm . 1654.47 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1655.552 1656.559 1655.57 1656.44 Yeah . 1656.44 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1655.511 1663.592 1655.59 1663.49 Yeah . That's what I call painting . So that's that's a dark blue basic colour I guess . It's pretty nice . 1657.39 1659.16 1662.57 1663.49 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1655.9 1656.704 1656.19 1656.62 Mm . 1656.62 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1657.367 1657.906 1657.46 1657.57 Y - TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1660.998 1661.825 1661.24 1661.79 Yeah . 1661.79 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1661.845 1663.764 1661.96 1663.64 Yeah and then on top of that . 1663.64 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1664.338 1665.315 1664.56 1665.315 And then uh - TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1666.258 1667.032 1666.41 1667.032 Oh - TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1668.055 1669.369 1668.08 1669.22 Some yellow . 1669.22 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1668.211 1671.039 1668.37 1671.039 Yeah with some some yellow banana - TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1670.783 1671.894 1670.86 1671.72 Banana colour . 1671.72 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1672.184 1674.776 1672.37 1674.776 Like . 1674.59 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1672.208 1688.166 1672.38 1687.92 And how about some uh some flashing standby lights ? Like you have on the Samsung , well I don't like to call brands phones , the you know that 'cause I remember from one of our first meetings that uh people lose their uh remote controls often . 1675.98 1677.45 1680.44 1687.92 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1687.167 1688.143 1687.48 1687.91 Yeah ? 1687.91 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1688.166 1698.864 1688.33 1698.864 So it not not only in in the colours of the LEDs , that we want something to keep it visible at all times , or 1692.71 1698.27 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1699.269 1700.313 1699.43 1700.02 How do you mean ? 1700.02 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1701.742 1702.448 1701.86 1702.448 Um - TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1701.741 1705.613 1701.96 1705.51 Yeah if you if flashing colour so you can't lose it , basically . 1705.02 1705.51 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1702.03 1702.805 1702.17 1702.805 Some some - TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1702.474 1703.282 1702.57 1703.11 Yeah . 1703.11 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1704.805 1706.624 1705.02 1706.28 Yeah . Exactly . 1705.59 1706.28 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1706.758 1708.845 1706.94 1708.845 Well I think it's a bit too much but - TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1707.019 1708.029 1707.22 1708.029 Maybe a - TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1709.28 1709.904 1709.32 1709.61 Yeah . 1709.61 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1709.658 1721.948 1709.85 1721.76 Yeah an orange . Well alright well this is more like purple I guess , but it's should be more real dark blue , so the contrast with the with the fruit objects is uh pretty high . 1711.19 1714.68 1718.1 1721.76 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1712.386 1713.23 1712.99 1713.13 Yeah . 1713.13 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1714.906 1716.017 1715.11 1715.68 Yeah . 1715.68 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1720.998 1721.588 1721.16 1721.35 Yeah . 1721.35 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1721.876 1722.583 1721.93 1722.37 Yeah . 1722.37 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1722.893 1727.405 1723.08 1727.34 So uh yeah . That would be a nice uh nice device I guess . 1723.99 1727.34 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1726.529 1730.031 1726.59 1730.031 And which which colour should uh should I give the the display ? Uh 1729.63 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1731.007 1731.714 1731.1 1731.714 Or - TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1731.116 1731.958 1731.32 1731.73 Who ? 1731.73 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1732.53 1753.776 1732.77 1753.73 I mean , the the colour of the background of the display ? Ah well I don't guess it s has to be a sixty uh sixty six five thousand uh colour , so yeah too expensive . So just just a a blue blue backlight or something like that . Green is too old-fashioned . But blue , blue's okay . J 1733.17 1735.22 1742.43 1744.55 1749.41 1751.14 1752.73 1753.25 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1734.374 1735.519 1734.44 1735.26 Yeah . Yeah . 1734.97 1735.26 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1737.648 1739.87 1737.75 1739.75 And then you can use yellow or semething . 1739.75 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1741.958 1743.184 1742.0 1743.184 Why not ? 1742.84 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1744.315 1745.19 1744.52 1744.99 Aye . 1744.99 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1744.44 1745.242 1744.86 1745.1 Yeah . 1745.1 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1746.999 1748.733 1747.34 1748.67 Mm . Yeah . 1748.29 1748.67 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1752.419 1760.803 1752.56 1760.68 As long as you loo use uh high contrast between the the background and the foreground colour . So that people with uh with 1758.83 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1758.16 1761.696 1758.36 1761.55 Yeah maybe a maybe a white a white backlight ? 1761.55 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1758.808 1759.987 1759.01 1759.67 Like this . 1759.67 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1762.242 1763.926 1762.36 1763.61 White backlight , and dark . 1762.97 1763.61 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1764.053 1766.14 1764.24 1766.05 Dark uh letters , yeah . 1765.59 1766.05 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1765.609 1775.205 1765.72 1775.09 Yeah . Whatever which is visible . I know you sh you should test it under uh under a light conditions . I mean it's hard to tell uh I dunno . 1766.97 1768.81 1773.18 1775.09 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1768.396 1769.204 1768.6 1768.86 Yeah . 1768.86 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1773.425 1774.57 1773.73 1773.99 Yeah . 1773.99 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1774.051 1777.586 1774.14 1777.38 And also for people who are a bit colourblind . 1777.38 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1776.458 1777.738 1776.53 1777.57 Colourblind yeah . 1777.57 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1777.832 1779.515 1777.94 1779.43 Yeah . True . 1778.69 1779.43 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1778.647 1781.105 1778.7 1781.05 No so that's mostly red and green I believe . 1781.05 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1781.232 1784.629 1781.4 1784.29 Which which uh colour should the buttons be ? 1784.29 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1785.209 1787.028 1785.52 1786.58 That's adjustable . 1786.58 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1787.728 1788.478 1787.75 1788.25 Woah . 1788.25 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1789.04 1790.286 1789.12 1789.94 Why adjustable ? 1789.94 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1789.118 1790.633 1789.21 1790.42 All all buttons ? 1790.42 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1790.327 1792.381 1790.55 1792.18 Yeah ? Or not . 1791.49 1792.18 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1791.441 1792.351 1791.51 1792.24 Okay . 1792.24 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1791.397 1792.508 1791.51 1792.508 No uh - TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1793.627 1796.287 1793.73 1796.09 That's how we are going to make it uh more trendy . 1796.09 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1797.187 1799.914 1797.42 1799.914 Or is it uh too expensive ? 1799.57 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1797.323 1805.673 1797.56 1805.673 But maybe I mean they have to they have to have some colour right ? And if the background is very dark blue 1803.01 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1799.815 1802.115 1799.815 1801.97 It's difficult . 1801.97 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1804.352 1805.145 1804.38 1804.89 Blue . 1804.89 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1805.856 1806.863 1805.98 1806.73 Maybe green . 1806.73 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1806.875 1820.209 1806.96 1819.91 But don't we wanna make the background the the bright colo colours ? So th the total of the thing is very bright ? Like the pictures I showed you guys . Those things were all like like bright red , bright red , flashy . 1810.93 1813.84 1815.49 1818.68 1819.24 1819.91 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1811.509 1812.586 1811.71 1812.586 Yeah you can - TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1815.419 1816.126 1815.56 1816.06 Yeah ? 1816.06 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1817.637 1819.017 1817.83 1818.77 Mm-hmm flashy . 1818.77 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1820.2 1821.513 1820.24 1821.513 So more like - TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1823.073 1823.915 1823.21 1823.73 Mm bzz . 1823.73 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1825.419 1829.156 1825.56 1828.91 Doesn't work very well . Uh . More like this colour . 1827.08 1827.84 1828.91 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1829.247 1832.614 1829.44 1832.28 Yeah something like that , something that stands out more . 1830.53 1832.28 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1830.962 1839.48 1831.03 1839.37 And then then yellow and orange and red objects on it or something . But then then again , which colour should the buttons be ? 1836.5 1837.77 1839.37 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1835.042 1835.582 1835.2 1835.5 Mm . 1835.5 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1835.948 1836.823 1836.11 1836.73 Yeah . 1836.73 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1840.783 1844.655 1840.91 1844.655 The the press buttons . Should they be white or black or 1842.39 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1844.622 1845.767 1844.79 1845.58 Red maybe . 1845.58 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1845.451 1849.659 1845.7 1849.659 And it it looks quite cheap , that colour I think . It's it's not 1847.68 1848.6 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1846.204 1846.878 1846.36 1846.878 Uh - TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1846.743 1847.45 1846.92 1847.38 Black . 1847.38 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1849.28 1850.35 1849.3 1850.22 The green ? 1850.22 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1850.199 1851.847 1850.28 1851.64 Yeah . I dunno . 1850.98 1851.64 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1850.076 1853.241 1850.28 1852.91 Yeah but it's pretty fresh , on the other side . 1852.11 1852.91 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1850.023 1850.757 1850.3 1850.69 Why ? 1850.69 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1852.044 1853.728 1852.26 1853.728 Yeah . So 1853.04 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1854.155 1856.512 1854.3 1856.38 It's actually a pretty trendy colour at the moment . 1856.38 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1856.022 1857.773 1856.19 1857.773 It's it's trendy okay . But 1857.41 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1856.979 1857.753 1857.12 1857.59 Yeah . 1857.59 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1858.527 1860.379 1858.62 1860.17 My couch is in that colour . 1860.17 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1858.675 1859.232 1858.85 1859.12 Mm . 1859.12 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1860.563 1864.367 1860.77 1864.367 Ooh . . 1862.11 1862.11 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1862.803 1863.679 1862.98 1863.46 Yeah . 1863.46 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1864.79 1866.406 1864.88 1866.14 Well it works pretty well . 1866.14 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1864.8 1865.487 1865.03 1865.29 Yeah . 1865.29 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1868.379 1869.995 1868.5 1869.72 And then time was up . 1869.72 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1871.102 1872.145 1871.32 1872.07 Uh not yet . 1872.07 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1872.352 1873.126 1872.49 1873.126 Uh - TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1873.591 1874.525 1873.591 1874.525 . 1874.525 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1873.646 1875.161 1873.69 1875.161 Do you get a pop-up if we - TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1874.502 1876.859 1874.72 1876.57 Yeah within five minutes yeah . 1876.57 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1876.564 1878.951 1876.564 1878.951 That you have five minutes left or - TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1876.963 1877.876 1877.21 1877.58 Alright . 1877.58 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1877.893 1881.126 1877.93 1880.98 Y left yeah left and then uh I have to kick you out . 1880.98 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1880.567 1891.443 1880.69 1891.4 So something like this . That should be pretty nice colour . But maybe the buttons , all buttons in red is maybe a bad contrast for colourblind people . Because the of the green . 1882.85 1884.53 1885.89 1890.03 1891.4 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1882.132 1883.041 1882.43 1882.96 Yeah . 1882.96 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1888.196 1889.913 1888.42 1889.7 Yeah yeah . 1889.7 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1889.875 1891.222 1889.98 1891.16 No that's actu - TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1890.717 1894.185 1890.76 1893.97 But the but the buttons have their own LEDs or not ? 1893.97 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1894.112 1894.96 1894.13 1894.55 Yeah . 1894.55 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1894.021 1896.075 1894.33 1895.71 They have LEDs but they have a colour . 1895.71 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1894.878 1909.12 1894.878 1908.91 Red and green are actually the b the easiest to discriminate . Even for colourblind . They will see one of each as grey . But if you use uh green on blue , those kind of colours will look the same . 1898.88 1900.32 1903.58 1906.76 1908.91 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1899.667 1900.341 1899.76 1900.11 Yeah ? 1900.11 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1903.068 1903.741 1903.21 1903.64 Yeah . 1903.64 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1909.15 1910.093 1909.33 1909.88 Okay . 1909.88 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1909.616 1910.374 1909.64 1910.25 Okay . 1910.25 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1911.14 1912.218 1911.35 1912.06 I think . 1912.06 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1911.721 1913.438 1911.74 1913.21 So red buttons are okay ? 1913.21 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1913.568 1914.373 1913.59 1914.24 I think so . 1914.24 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1914.234 1918.578 1914.54 1918.54 Okay . That that's a default uh setting . The the red buttons . 1914.78 1917.07 1918.54 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1914.676 1916.09 1914.8 1915.96 You can make them red . 1915.96 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1918.447 1926.056 1918.56 1926.056 Yeah . But I think you need to keep in mind that the LEDs are just extra light . 1919.15 1925.91 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1928.437 1930.053 1928.52 1929.87 How do you mean ? Yeah . 1929.49 1929.87 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1929.872 1934.616 1929.91 1934.42 Uh they they don't determine the colour that much , I think . 1933.78 1934.42 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1932.592 1937.216 1932.61 1937.216 Okay . Yeah I I was think about a red uh red LEDs and blue LEDs and 1933.09 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1937.714 1943.168 1937.79 1943.09 'Cause you have to print on them you have a background . Each number is transparent . 1941.35 1943.09 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1937.696 1940.524 1937.85 1940.34 No that's that's too busy I guess . 1940.34 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1939.875 1940.496 1939.95 1940.46 Yeah . 1940.46 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1943.131 1943.972 1943.37 1943.67 Yeah . 1943.67 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1944.224 1949.952 1944.31 1949.92 Uh partly but you have to print on the number . Or the the sign . So you can't 1947.35 1948.95 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1947.839 1948.581 1947.95 1948.36 Okay . 1948.36 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1950.542 1952.36 1950.542 1952.36 change the colour so - TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1950.506 1958.688 1950.56 1958.61 You better bet better better keep the LED and the button itself in the same colour I guess . So just an extra 1957.33 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1955.861 1956.576 1955.96 1956.29 Okay . 1956.29 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1955.865 1956.673 1956.01 1956.6 Yeah . 1956.6 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1959.037 1960.31 1959.28 1960.14 Bit of light . 1960.14 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1959.179 1970.944 1959.71 1970.89 You can what we should do I think is is make kind of a see-through plastic button , with uh one coloured LED behind it . So that the whole button will shine 1965.62 1968.82 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1959.9 1961.718 1959.99 1961.55 bit of light and attention . 1961.55 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1960.781 1962.06 1961.05 1961.96 Bit of feedback . 1961.96 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 1965.676 1966.178 1965.72 1966.02 Yeah . 1966.02 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1965.63 1966.236 1965.74 1966.07 Yeah . 1966.07 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1967.913 1968.895 1968.11 1968.79 Yeah . 1968.79 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1968.096 1968.832 1968.12 1968.67 Yeah . 1968.67 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1971.892 1972.498 1972.05 1972.34 Mm-hmm . 1972.34 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1972.304 1973.776 1972.33 1973.776 as the colour the - TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 1977.325 1991.216 1977.325 1991.18 And if you think about easy to use buttons , we have to , well we have to make it the shape so that it's easy to hold f for both hands , but also that you can reach the buttons with your thumb , if you hold the machine . 1980.45 1981.41 1985.81 1990.01 1991.18 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1988.305 1989.012 1988.4 1988.88 Mm-hmm . 1988.88 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 1989.44 1989.969 1989.47 1989.83 Yeah . 1989.83 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1989.988 1990.864 1990.03 1990.864 Okay with - TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1991.648 1992.278 1991.67 1992.278 Uh - TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1993.264 1998.035 1993.31 1997.8 Don't mean to discourage you but uh basically - TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 1999.648 2005.577 1999.75 2005.577 you two are going to work on the smartboard . Next thirty minutes to design something so 2002.62 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2004.128 2005.158 2004.28 2004.94 Ah , right . 2004.38 2004.94 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2005.344 2006.245 2005.41 2005.87 Alright . 2005.87 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2006.318 2007.227 2006.42 2007.227 And the - TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2008.744 2010.797 2008.86 2010.49 You will do the evaluation . 2010.49 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2010.79 2013.484 2011.08 2013.31 Of the product ? Which we don't have yet . 2012.16 2013.31 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2011.841 2012.481 2011.92 2012.43 Yeah . 2012.43 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2013.222 2015.882 2013.31 2015.882 Yeah uh about - TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2015.056 2017.76 2015.056 2017.66 So wh how should I do that ? 2017.66 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2017.868 2020.831 2017.95 2020.66 Yeah I don't know . You probably get a mail . 2019.14 2020.66 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2019.033 2030.077 2019.12 2029.92 Oh okay . Or you you or you send it to me . Or just because you are going to design it on this board right ? 2020.6 2024.8 2029.92 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2026.218 2028.912 2026.47 2028.81 Yeah . Once they are finished . Yeah . 2027.04 2028.28 2028.81 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2029.864 2037.204 2029.98 2037.02 Yeah but maybe you can do the evaluation you don't have to evaluate yet but you can make a procedure which to follow . I don't know . 2036.6 2037.02 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2036.176 2045.504 2036.34 2045.504 Yeah . I I probably get instruction on that , how to do that , so I make another presentation I guess . I kn I know what's gonna happen in in yeah so 2036.93 2038.74 2039.35 2041.56 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2038.416 2039.19 2038.62 2038.97 Yeah . 2038.97 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2041.109 2041.614 2041.22 2041.46 Yeah . 2041.46 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2044.106 2046.833 2044.21 2046.59 About . Yeah . You have the basic idea . 2044.71 2045.64 2046.59 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2046.442 2047.822 2046.56 2047.73 I've a basic idea . 2047.73 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2047.776 2050.604 2047.97 2050.47 And you two uh are going to do this . 2050.47 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2050.947 2051.544 2051.09 2051.3 Yeah . 2051.3 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2050.847 2056.435 2051.17 2056.15 So we're gonna work here ? On this sketchboard ? Alright . Thanks . 2052.78 2054.82 2055.68 2056.15 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2051.177 2052.759 2051.36 2052.759 Look-and-feel and - TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2053.51 2064.183 2053.57 2064.03 Yeah . Good luck . So I uh make new page and uh be creative . 2054.68 2059.94 2064.03 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2053.782 2054.624 2053.9 2054.39 Yeah . 2054.39 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2057.014 2060.684 2057.17 2060.684 Yeah . Alright so that's uh 2059.16 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2064.674 2065.415 2064.75 2065.34 Yeah . 2065.34 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2065.48 2066.368 2065.57 2065.98 Alright . 2065.98 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2065.57 2068.702 2065.73 2068.53 But we have to do it at this moment , after th this meeting ? 2067.45 2068.53 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2067.517 2071.49 2067.76 2071.38 Yeah you have uh thirty minutes . 2071.38 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2069.768 2071.317 2069.99 2071.05 Thirty minutes . 2071.05 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2071.41 2072.252 2071.6 2072.06 Okay . 2072.06 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2072.264 2076.54 2072.46 2076.38 Then we have to uh see something which we can uh - TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2075.232 2075.92 2075.25 2075.76 Yeah . 2075.76 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2075.282 2080.872 2075.63 2080.65 Yeah . Ah so this is basically the what what we are thinking about ? 2076.93 2080.65 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2075.762 2076.974 2075.9 2076.58 Alright . 2076.58 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2077.241 2078.655 2077.39 2078.59 show to the management . 2078.59 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2080.779 2084.112 2080.92 2084.112 Yeah . Shall we uh make a new uh 2081.78 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2081.753 2082.831 2081.89 2082.76 I would yeah . 2082.76 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2083.532 2087.673 2083.72 2087.673 Yeah l let's just uh delete all these uh or - TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2083.975 2084.75 2084.05 2084.64 Yeah . 2084.64 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2084.136 2085.011 2084.28 2084.84 Yeah . 2084.84 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2085.726 2086.433 2085.79 2086.24 Next . 2086.24 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2086.459 2087.132 2086.459 2087.132 . 2087.132 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2087.311 2092.88 2087.45 2092.28 Yeah , I just make a new one . Alright . 2087.74 2091.52 2092.28 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2088.538 2089.544 2088.57 2089.31 Oh , next . 2088.84 2089.31 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2090.544 2091.12 2090.56 2090.95 Yeah . 2090.95 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2091.618 2094.413 2091.78 2094.26 Oh and save this uh board . 2094.26 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2094.912 2097.632 2094.93 2097.5 Huh ? Yeah I'll just I'll just keep it there . 2095.61 2097.5 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2095.389 2096.332 2095.41 2096.12 Just save it . 2096.12 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2097.645 2099.767 2097.74 2099.767 Yeah okay but just press save and uh - TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2100.032 2100.96 2100.05 2100.77 Yeah . 2100.77 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2100.844 2101.82 2101.0 2101.66 It'll be fine . 2101.66 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2101.827 2102.636 2101.86 2102.47 On the left . 2102.47 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2102.943 2105.06 2103.2 2104.73 S so , yeah . 2104.07 2104.73 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2107.68 2108.818 2107.7 2108.71 Uh sorry . 2108.71 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2108.57 2111.432 2108.57 2111.432 You can also include clip-art . 2111.36 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2110.906 2116.736 2111.1 2116.736 Okay . Current colour ? So um 2112.16 2115.54 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2111.824 2112.602 2111.97 2112.3 Yeah . 2112.3 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2112.374 2115.708 2112.44 2115.708 So if you'll rather draw in paint or something - TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2117.082 2118.934 2117.29 2118.934 Okay . Uh 2118.2 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2121.052 2126.54 2121.26 2126.54 Shall we make some outline sketches of the basic shape first ? Because I I 2125.3 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2124.018 2124.826 2124.27 2124.74 Yeah . 2124.74 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2125.365 2128.328 2125.38 2128.29 And then after that we can make the user uh inter interface . 2128.29 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2127.184 2131.827 2127.184 2131.78 then look . Yeah . 2131.3 2131.78 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2128.326 2147.821 2128.47 2147.79 Yeah 'cause I have to uh focus on the on the basic look-and-feel design . So how it's gonna look . And you have to think uh how we're gonna put the screen in it and those kind of things . So if I'm drawing and you think okay I'm not gonna be able to put a screen in there , you have to correct . Uh do you mind if I draw in black then ? For normal sketches . 2132.2 2133.79 2137.87 2142.15 2144.02 2146.43 2147.79 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2130.596 2131.269 2130.75 2131.05 This ? 2131.05 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2131.943 2132.57 2132.15 2132.42 Yeah . 2132.42 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2134.368 2136.354 2134.68 2136.16 Uh pretty accurate . 2136.16 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2140.799 2143.459 2140.86 2143.17 Oh we skip this I guess . Sound button press . 2142.08 2143.17 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2143.076 2143.918 2143.37 2143.69 Yep . 2143.69 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2144.218 2147.315 2144.42 2147.18 Yeah . You can also include it . It's not much work . 2145.15 2146.12 2147.18 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2147.211 2150.612 2147.42 2150.3 Light only button user ca user interaction . 2150.3 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2147.823 2149.204 2147.85 2148.84 Oh no it's it's okay . 2148.84 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2149.52 2155.424 2149.52 2155.37 so we kind of want the girlish - TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2153.278 2153.781 2153.43 2153.72 Yeah . 2153.72 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2153.663 2155.817 2153.74 2155.62 That's included . Yeah okay . 2154.81 2155.62 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2154.8 2164.576 2154.82 2164.576 Yeah . So the pl the plastic plastic buttons also help uh because of um they are only lit during interaction . So 2156.07 2164.18 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2156.1 2157.496 2156.19 2157.39 figure . 2157.39 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2162.345 2163.894 2162.49 2163.67 I'm not so good at drawing . 2163.67 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2165.039 2166.15 2165.28 2165.87 Excuse me ? 2165.87 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2166.048 2176.752 2166.2 2176.71 Well it's a good thing that the buttons aren't um , well that they are plastic , because then you can light up the light on when when they are usable . 2170.74 2172.39 2176.71 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2174.171 2175.386 2174.39 2175.33 Yeah . Yeah . 2174.78 2175.33 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2177.007 2178.219 2177.11 2177.99 No uh uh . 2177.99 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2179.311 2182.947 2179.59 2182.67 Maybe you should draw it very large like this . 2182.67 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2181.884 2185.319 2182.05 2184.98 Yeah but this part isn't uh functioning properly . 2184.98 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2182.499 2183.184 2182.63 2182.99 Yeah . 2182.99 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2184.317 2185.395 2184.37 2185.29 Sensitive . 2185.29 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2184.428 2185.708 2184.6 2185.59 Oh right . 2185.59 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2186.805 2190.816 2186.87 2190.53 How do we uh uh or insert text ? 2190.53 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2188.031 2188.873 2188.18 2188.72 Erase ? 2188.72 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2194.351 2196.472 2194.51 2196.27 I dunno . Maybe just start typing . 2194.9 2196.27 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2199.965 2203.804 2199.965 2203.804 It's a bit uh large . 2203.45 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2201.829 2203.58 2201.97 2203.43 Oh that's a bit big . Yeah . 2202.98 2203.43 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2208.777 2215.208 2209.0 2214.89 You also do the other sides . Not only on the front si uh the top side but also the the side view . 2210.87 2214.89 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2212.352 2213.95 2212.37 2213.88 Yeah . Ex exactly . 2212.68 2213.88 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2212.489 2213.534 2212.489 2213.534 . 2213.534 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2215.233 2221.967 2215.54 2221.69 L let's make first the the the all the views . The the front view , side view and the back view . 2218.09 2219.79 2221.69 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2215.536 2216.273 2215.56 2216.273 Uh - TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2217.026 2217.565 2217.026 2217.44 Uh . 2217.44 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2221.296 2234.592 2221.68 2234.592 Uh I thought for the side view , that the w the basic section would be rather uh a bit thicker than the middle , where you're holding it with your 'cause your fingers have to fit underneath and 2224.29 2231.28 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2224.332 2227.093 2224.8 2227.093 Jesus . What do I write down ? 2225.49 2226.97 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2226.597 2227.439 2226.64 2227.27 Yeah . 2227.27 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2228.662 2233.14 2228.84 2232.97 Why can't I work here ? This is much easier . Yeah . 2229.8 2232.67 2232.97 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2230.997 2232.499 2231.22 2232.31 Much easier , yeah . 2231.93 2232.31 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2231.239 2231.9 2231.52 2231.73 Yeah . 2231.73 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2233.557 2238.271 2233.68 2238.12 The middle has to be very small so you can have it in your hand . 2238.12 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2234.352 2234.958 2234.46 2234.78 Mm . 2234.78 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2235.198 2238.094 2235.27 2238.094 I don't see a sign that the meeting is over yet but - TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2236.914 2245.12 2236.914 2244.92 Exactly but the uh but the upper side has to be a bit more like that I think . 2244.92 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2237.618 2242.29 2237.77 2242.29 No so I just work here a few minutes . 2242.18 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2240.687 2241.798 2240.687 2241.68 Yeah . 2241.68 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2246.318 2249.214 2246.42 2248.96 Yeah the display , we yeah we can put a display . 2247.44 2248.96 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2246.39 2255.744 2246.54 2255.744 Uh don't you think ? So the display we will put in here , the basic uh functions in here , where it's most reachable . The 2248.1 2250.03 2252.55 2254.73 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2254.197 2255.072 2254.36 2254.79 Yeah . 2254.79 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2256.134 2259.636 2256.31 2259.27 The the arrow functions . Yeah . Yeah . 2258.62 2259.1 2259.27 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2256.996 2257.602 2257.15 2257.47 The th - TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2258.376 2259.521 2258.52 2259.38 Exactly . 2259.38 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2262.593 2267.879 2262.83 2267.78 Oh . This is hard . What do don't have to draw it exactly do we ? 2263.51 2264.72 2267.78 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2267.178 2269.434 2267.33 2269.35 No it's it's uh it's okay . 2269.35 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2269.024 2271.024 2269.28 2270.73 Wait . Let me try it one more time . 2269.47 2270.73 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2272.526 2276.33 2272.79 2275.89 Maybe I've uh it's easier if I draw it in once . 2275.89 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2282.122 2287.536 2282.29 2287.536 Okay , of course it will become way more ugly . 2282.5 2287.46 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2285.168 2292.109 2285.168 2292.109 You can make it m larger . Maybe it's easier to to draw uh 2289.89 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2292.137 2293.113 2292.25 2292.92 Yeah . 2292.92 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2295.066 2296.446 2295.21 2296.35 This'll take forever . 2296.35 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2298.164 2304.325 2298.26 2303.99 It's fun to work with this pen . Um so , larger . 2300.0 2302.77 2303.99 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2305.498 2308.36 2305.72 2308.17 Oh . Wrong one . 2307.52 2308.17 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2307.404 2310.131 2307.51 2309.86 Yeah that's that's the basic idea . Yeah . 2309.3 2309.86 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2307.792 2315.696 2307.81 2315.23 And yeah . So side . 2310.19 2315.23 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2315.43 2318.09 2315.51 2318.0 Five minutes left before the meeting ends . 2318.0 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2317.902 2320.898 2317.97 2320.69 'Kay . Um other views ? 2318.62 2320.69 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2320.968 2322.18 2321.18 2321.93 Alright . 2321.93 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2322.084 2327.674 2322.61 2327.62 Yeah only if you are going to put buttons on the side of the unit . 2327.62 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2325.915 2326.757 2326.07 2326.757 Uh - TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2328.816 2329.787 2328.97 2329.23 Yeah . 2329.23 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2329.02 2330.3 2329.17 2329.99 That's the question . 2329.99 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2330.463 2335.84 2330.463 2335.78 Let's fill i fill in the buttons later . So this is gonna be from the 2334.05 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2330.328 2331.81 2330.54 2331.81 But we we - TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2333.599 2334.306 2333.68 2334.18 Yeah . 2334.18 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2336.368 2358.553 2336.73 2358.47 I is it if if this is from the side woah . Steady . Because there the screen goes up like that right ? So then it's like this , or that's not convenient because then you have the screen like this and look like the it's better to have it somewhat like this . Or does it flip all the way ? 2340.14 2341.35 2345.43 2346.77 2355.29 2358.47 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2337.43 2341.168 2337.59 2340.81 uh from yeah yeah . Sorry . 2340.3 2340.81 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2339.711 2340.304 2339.79 2340.304 From the - TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2345.221 2345.861 2345.28 2345.76 Yeah . 2345.76 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2347.168 2347.848 2347.19 2347.76 Yeah ? 2347.76 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2356.73 2357.707 2356.75 2357.707 Yeah I'm I'm - TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2356.366 2360.036 2356.8 2359.55 The the idea is that it has to flip up to here . 2359.55 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2359.024 2365.182 2359.05 2364.97 May maybe it's it's easier to to integrate the the the L_C_D_ screen just into this this bubble . 2364.97 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2366.08 2366.905 2366.1 2366.73 Okay . 2366.73 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2366.191 2369.492 2366.36 2369.06 Because it do doesn't have to flip then . 2369.06 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2370.536 2375.856 2370.65 2375.856 Because we have en enough space for for making a an L_C_D . Because here 2374.61 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2370.633 2372.384 2370.82 2372.24 Yeah . Yeah yeah yeah . 2371.4 2372.24 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2374.753 2380.612 2374.92 2380.43 It's better to to have this like this I guess , and then flip it like this . 2377.81 2380.43 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2375.317 2376.271 2375.66 2376.15 True . 2376.15 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2379.256 2382.489 2379.48 2382.489 But why why do we need uh the flipping uh - TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2382.317 2389.984 2382.317 2389.94 you can adjust the angle to which it flips . So it can also from this angle , it can flip all the way up to there . You can flip it up to there if you want . 2385.11 2386.75 2388.39 2389.94 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2387.352 2388.901 2387.39 2388.77 Okay . Yeah . 2388.38 2388.77 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2389.337 2394.0 2389.5 2393.89 Yeah . So w yeah . But we still keep the flipping mechanism . 2390.3 2391.59 2393.89 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2394.576 2395.295 2394.6 2395.13 Think so . 2395.13 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2394.206 2395.011 2394.61 2394.95 Yeah . 2394.95 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2395.004 2396.149 2395.06 2395.98 Yeah we keep the flip ? 2395.98 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2397.227 2399.011 2397.28 2398.94 Keep the flip live . 2398.94 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2397.152 2405.824 2397.53 2405.65 Yeah because I think it will feel weird if you would make this smaller and this bigger or something that I dunno . 2405.65 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2403.918 2404.793 2404.13 2404.4 Yeah . 2404.4 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2406.612 2409.945 2406.82 2409.7 Uh the the shape is okay but yeah ? 2409.7 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2410.564 2416.423 2410.69 2416.423 I don't see the the yeah why why we should use the the flipping uh mechanism . Because we 2415.7 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2414.345 2418.816 2414.345 2418.816 I thought it would be cool . 2418.58 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2415.033 2415.841 2415.15 2415.7 Yeah . 2415.7 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2417.433 2420.968 2417.56 2420.968 Okay yeah . It's it's for for for more trendy uh 2418.24 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2418.838 2422.542 2418.95 2422.542 Yeah but maybe Yeah but maybe we we should then - TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2422.685 2430.059 2422.89 2429.73 Because we have enough space . H here we got uh the basic functions , the the arrow uh yeah button . 2424.09 2426.21 2429.73 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2425.774 2427.357 2425.96 2427.357 Yeah there the middle - TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2429.309 2436.8 2429.39 2436.21 Sh sh shouldn't we integrate it ? And then like i oh th doh . 2431.67 2436.21 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2431.103 2433.191 2431.32 2432.77 Yeah and then h we sh mm . 2432.77 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2438.409 2443.561 2438.53 2443.561 Come on . So this is the shape . Oh . It hasn't 2439.94 2442.02 2442.7 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2444.256 2447.263 2444.256 2447.12 . It doesn't aim so well . 2444.256 2447.12 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2447.601 2460.362 2447.77 2460.28 Okay but the screen is a bit lower because if it falls on the other side , it doesn't fall on the screen . So there's a layer of rubber on the side . So no flipping but just no . 2451.79 2453.19 2456.7 2460.28 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2449.908 2451.937 2450.57 2451.937 Yeah , then it's 2451.06 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2455.156 2456.907 2455.25 2456.8 Yeah yeah yeah . Definitely . 2456.03 2456.8 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2458.425 2462.398 2458.73 2462.398 No flipping or you wanted the flipping so - TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2459.315 2460.254 2459.38 2459.98 No flipping ? 2459.98 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2461.722 2465.763 2462.36 2465.47 Yeah I guess but uh I mean most votes count right ? 2465.47 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2463.721 2464.978 2464.09 2464.978 But if you if you - TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2465.982 2473.053 2466.11 2473.053 If you drop it it it just breaks . And it has to be very strong because of the . Yeah kind of 2468.24 2470.6 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2470.647 2476.135 2470.98 2475.9 Throwing and the kinetics . Oh . We better make we better make it like this . Eventually . 2472.26 2472.9 2475.31 2475.9 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2470.857 2472.102 2471.0 2471.59 It's shaking . 2471.59 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2471.251 2472.126 2471.4 2471.86 Yeah . 2471.86 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2472.8 2474.079 2472.92 2473.85 Yeah true true . 2473.85 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2474.982 2478.012 2475.13 2478.012 Yeah . Yeah if you if you're going for the kinetics 2475.86 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2475.368 2477.052 2475.58 2476.79 Yeah just light on top . 2476.79 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2475.914 2482.749 2476.09 2482.749 And it's also for the for the children , it's yeah for people not sixteen years . But there are more 2478.26 2481.72 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2477.313 2478.088 2477.5 2477.84 Yeah . 2477.84 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2479.476 2480.116 2479.5 2479.95 Safer . 2479.95 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2480.928 2483.988 2480.96 2483.72 Mm . Yeah okay that the target group . 2481.81 2483.72 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2481.185 2489.435 2481.35 2489.19 Uh they are responsible enough to have a mobile phone , so also to to deal with their uh remote uh control . Yes . 2483.97 2488.25 2489.19 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2484.467 2486.251 2484.71 2485.81 Yeah okay . That's true . 2485.33 2485.81 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2488.339 2490.393 2488.43 2490.19 Okay . Yeah ? 2489.88 2490.19 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2490.4 2495.148 2490.55 2494.98 Well . I just uh ended the meeting . You two go design . 2491.58 2493.37 2494.98 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2490.69 2501.801 2490.85 2501.77 Yeah . I'm just thinking totally different designs also . Remember that the weird pocketphone thingy which looked like kind of a Gameboy . Maybe we should try something like that . But yeah . 2491.25 2494.82 2499.81 2501.4 2501.77 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2494.317 2495.654 2494.6 2495.57 Okay wi - TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2496.899 2498.885 2497.03 2498.885 Oh . By the way . Um 2497.46 2498.33 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2499.364 2499.97 2499.46 2499.89 Yeah . 2499.89 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2501.276 2507.808 2501.37 2507.7 I uh thought up a name for our product . Yeah . It's called uh the Real Remote . 2504.77 2505.74 2507.7 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2504.188 2505.097 2504.45 2504.71 Yeah ? 2504.71 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2504.394 2505.404 2504.57 2505.24 Oh right . 2505.24 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2507.856 2510.299 2508.1 2510.299 Ooh . 2509.91 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2508.531 2516.617 2508.531 2516.617 With a copyright sign after Real . 2516.54 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2508.992 2510.118 2509.03 2510.04 Alright . 2510.04 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2511.344 2514.121 2511.52 2513.97 Yeah . Alright . 2513.33 2513.97 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2511.599 2514.28 2511.599 2514.16 The Real Remote . 2514.16 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2514.224 2518.736 2514.43 2518.6 Yeah . I like it . Okay . This can go . 2515.1 2517.36 2517.76 2518.6 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2517.453 2519.473 2517.47 2519.3 So maybe you can include that somewhere . 2519.3 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2517.335 2518.109 2517.53 2518.06 Good . 2518.06 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2519.321 2522.52 2519.43 2522.35 Yeah . We should work in our own room right ? Or not ? 2519.9 2521.54 2522.35 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2521.527 2523.008 2521.63 2523.008 Yeah . 2522.91 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2521.497 2525.167 2521.65 2524.99 Oh yeah we have to f uh include that in our design as well . 2524.99 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2524.052 2526.241 2524.19 2526.241 I don't see any power cables here so - TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2526.076 2526.951 2526.17 2526.73 Let's see . 2526.73 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2526.432 2528.783 2526.46 2528.59 Yeah . Yes . 2528.03 2528.59 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2528.096 2529.274 2528.23 2529.19 What the hell's that ? 2529.19 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2529.143 2533.285 2529.143 2533.02 I think uh it's the sensors . Okay . 2532.63 2533.02 TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2529.002 2529.968 2529.22 2529.57 'Kay . 2529.57 TS3006c D MTD024ME 3 2529.658 2531.645 2529.89 2531.11 See you two in half an hour uh - TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2532.406 2533.315 2532.67 2533.315 Uh - TS3006c A MTD021PM 0 2533.345 2534.49 2533.56 2533.75 Good luck . 2534.32 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2534.399 2534.873 2534.44 2534.57 Yep . 2534.57 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2536.315 2537.864 2536.54 2537.74 Okay that's the side . 2537.74 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2538.88 2544.699 2538.9 2544.53 Ah it's it's okay . But do we want uh options on the on the side with the with the buttons ? 2540.45 2544.53 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2546.158 2549.694 2546.21 2549.63 Yeah . I think we do . 2548.17 2549.63 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2547.44 2553.456 2547.46 2553.41 Or just leave it ? Uh could make an uh a volume button uh scroll , volume button . 2549.0 2552.81 2553.41 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2553.664 2558.672 2554.14 2558.6 Yeah or j or also scrolling for the m yeah . Yeah ? 2558.28 2558.6 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2556.831 2559.356 2557.06 2559.356 For menu . Or 2558.34 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2560.016 2562.704 2560.04 2562.704 I dunno . We w kind of wanted to stick with the 2560.52 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2562.453 2565.308 2562.47 2565.08 Yeah . No , yeah . 2563.27 2564.72 2565.08 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2564.128 2576.928 2564.41 2576.89 Yeah I'm just thinking , if we i we wanna make something different right ? So the with the scroll is is more futuristic than the standard arrow buttons . 2567.68 2570.57 2576.89 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2576.928 2577.669 2577.16 2577.35 Yeah . 2577.35 TS3006c C MTD022ID 2 2578.528 2579.456 2578.68 2579.2 I think . 2579.2 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2579.959 2580.935 2580.13 2580.61 Mm . 2580.61 TS3006c B MTD023UID 1 2582.288 2584.224 2582.31 2583.63 Yeah you are going to design it so - TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2.349 14.468 2.42 14.32 Okay . Uh first of all I'll start with the costs , because that's going to influence our design . If you Don't know if you al already had a look or not ? 3.67 7.24 11.02 14.32 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 3.356 4.074 3.356 4.074 . 4.074 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 8.575 9.444 8.72 9.29 Oh no . 9.29 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 10.172 11.648 10.36 11.648 Oh , . 11.54 11.54 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 14.408 16.284 14.46 16.09 Did you do your questionnaire already ? 16.09 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 14.396 19.847 14.67 19.67 No n I I already did it . It's not much . It's just one question . 17.3 18.06 19.67 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 14.91 15.679 15.04 15.58 No . 15.58 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 18.487 20.594 18.6 20.45 Because we have a problem . 20.45 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 18.756 19.492 18.78 19.492 Uh - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 18.766 19.288 18.95 19.09 Oh . 19.09 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 23.004 26.38 23.16 26.2 If you look closely , you can see . 25.34 26.2 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 24.902 25.386 25.04 25.23 Yeah . 25.23 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 25.858 27.178 25.96 27.178 It wants - TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 29.691 35.811 29.85 35.76 Um I already took the liberty to make some suggestions . 35.76 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 37.048 38.085 37.048 38.085 . 38.085 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 39.42 41.296 39.42 41.296 . 41.296 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 47.455 60.933 47.455 60.89 At the moment we have fifteen buttons , one L_C_D_ screen , one advanced chip-on-print . We use a uh sensor , that's for the speech . Uh we use kinetic energy . 50.53 52.09 54.49 56.48 58.58 60.89 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 63.04 67.254 63.1 67.11 And we wanted uh the buttons in a special colour . 67.11 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 68.659 73.341 68.75 73.23 Okay . What's the first thing we should drop ? The special colour of the buttons ? 69.31 71.66 73.23 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 74.707 78.684 74.89 78.684 No that's that's for the trendy uh feel and look . So 78.34 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 77.292 77.852 77.31 77.82 Okay . 77.82 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 78.757 80.732 78.89 80.65 Yeah but everything is . 80.65 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 79.065 80.002 79.09 80.002 Uh - TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 80.796 89.902 80.82 89.71 Should we switch to a hand dynamo ? Uh that's the still the same idea as the kinetic energy because you have to use it and do things . 84.91 89.71 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 84.91 85.713 85.06 85.44 No . 85.44 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 88.252 90.192 88.54 90.192 Yeah , b but 88.86 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 89.09 92.716 89.28 92.64 Yeah but young people like that . So just do normal battery . 90.86 92.64 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 91.308 92.276 91.34 91.99 Batteries ? 91.99 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 92.844 93.748 92.86 93.65 Batteries . 93.65 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 92.777 94.516 92.95 94.23 I think the battery option . 94.23 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 92.837 95.011 93.07 94.74 Just a normal battery then , yeah . 94.5 94.74 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 94.375 95.244 94.52 94.91 Yeah . 94.91 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 97.66 98.43 97.66 98.43 . 98.43 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 99.868 104.092 100.01 104.092 It has to be twelve and a half . Or not ? 102.16 103.65 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 101.822 102.458 101.89 102.25 Yeah . 102.25 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 102.978 103.714 103.05 103.714 Oh . 103.58 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 103.651 104.989 103.7 104.89 Oh my goodness . 104.89 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 104.063 104.933 104.09 104.933 So - TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 105.969 114.598 105.99 114.598 You're going to redesign something . Okay , so we're at twenty five . Um 108.8 109.28 113.87 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 107.326 108.396 107.56 108.24 Oh no . 108.24 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 112.654 113.825 112.68 113.825 Uh , yeah . 112.88 113.51 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 115.501 119.548 115.58 119.23 Do we keep the shape doubly curved or g do we go for single curved ? 119.23 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 120.256 125.612 120.5 125.54 Well I guess i we'll have to go for single curve then . I mean we have to drop on everything . 123.79 125.54 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 125.831 128.54 125.99 128.54 Mm-hmm . Uh 127.66 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 127.425 142.442 127.52 142.442 But we can keep it single curved with uh top view still curved , but from the side it's it's flat , and the screen screen is just Well you just have to hold it like this then . So 135.16 137.34 142.03 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 137.213 137.949 137.4 137.86 Yeah . 137.86 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 142.085 159.98 142.085 159.95 Yeah . Um Uh another option I saw was to drop the buttons one through nine , so you can't directly access a channel , but instead use only the up and down arrows . That would skip nine buttons and four and a half Euros . 143.53 150.19 152.63 156.43 159.95 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 143.144 145.047 143.47 145.0 How about Sorry . 145.0 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 156.017 157.455 156.17 157.19 That's what I was thinking . 157.19 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 156.935 157.704 157.11 157.54 Yeah . 157.54 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 160.14 164.019 160.16 164.019 Alright . Let's do it then . Yeah . we 161.33 162.12 163.37 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 161.218 161.719 161.27 161.66 Yeah ? 161.66 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 161.032 161.803 161.43 161.66 A a - TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 162.923 164.562 163.05 164.562 Uh then we have left - TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 163.423 166.533 163.6 166.42 But we don't have any basic options any more . 166.42 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 166.468 168.007 166.63 167.83 Uh yeah . We do . 167.44 167.83 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 167.986 172.919 168.06 172.64 And uh 'cause then they don't have to n They don't need special colour as well . 172.64 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 168.166 169.169 168.42 169.02 F_ eight . 169.02 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 172.422 180.85 172.5 180.57 They don't need special colours . Fine . That's more like it . You were saying something . 173.85 175.0 179.02 180.57 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 176.236 177.532 176.236 177.18 Yeah . 177.18 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 180.226 195.677 180.52 195.677 That was exactly my point . Like let's drop all the buttons , and just make one I mean we're gonna use the L_C_D_ screen anyway . So we'll just have to use it for everything . And then you can make an overview of channels in the screen , and select a channel , click 182.09 183.83 188.38 190.87 194.04 195.08 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 182.087 182.79 182.21 182.66 Yeah . 182.66 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 188.06 188.633 188.09 188.56 Mm-hmm . 188.56 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 190.54 191.275 190.71 191.08 Yeah . 191.08 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 194.62 203.02 194.73 202.2 Yeah , some more menu options . Yeah . Okay so maybe we can drop few more buttons . But um Now let's look . 195.02 196.16 197.13 199.35 202.2 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 201.66 211.861 201.92 211.77 Yeah we c could We only need the the the the the menu arrow arrow button uh thing . Everything you can do with with the menu . So With the display . 207.96 209.94 211.77 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 210.239 210.874 210.32 210.74 Mm-hmm . 210.74 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 210.939 214.284 211.13 213.97 Yeah we need one integrated button for everything then . 213.97 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 213.641 214.088 213.71 214.0 Yeah . 214.0 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 214.764 215.768 214.87 215.56 The joystick . 215.56 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 215.774 218.401 215.774 218.401 Uh - TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 215.788 218.331 215.81 218.331 Yeah . Kind of . I was Because 216.41 216.96 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 219.133 219.869 219.27 219.64 Yeah . 219.64 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 219.612 222.229 219.63 222.229 Yeah , scroll-wheel , push-button uh 220.0 220.78 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 222.289 224.932 222.39 224.89 Integrated scroll-wheel push-button , yeah . 224.29 224.89 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 222.332 238.894 222.4 238.65 If you if you go to If you go to our uh view , like you if you are in the sound system there , uh and you wanna adjust the treble for instance , this is just uh an example , y y you wanna see a bar on which you can adjust it from zero to ten for example . 226.83 229.73 231.98 234.2 238.65 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 229.486 230.155 229.69 230.08 Yeah . 230.08 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 231.727 232.329 231.83 232.14 Yeah . 232.14 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 233.7 234.47 233.85 234.26 Mm-hmm . 234.26 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 237.078 237.68 237.14 237.56 Mm-hmm . 237.56 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 238.449 239.085 238.6 238.91 Mm-hmm . 238.91 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 238.894 256.022 239.04 255.79 But you want a sound preview of how it's gonna sound , right ? So you wanna click on it , activate it , whe and when you move it , hear the difference of the treble coming out or going into the sound . So you'll you'll need a a kind of a joystick uh button . 242.93 243.17 244.64 245.34 246.55 251.26 255.79 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 243.278 243.88 243.32 243.83 Yeah . 243.83 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 249.332 249.9 249.38 249.7 Yeah . 249.7 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 254.364 265.548 254.38 265.548 Yeah or or the integrated scroll-wheel push-button . So that's kind of on your mouse and then you can click it , adjust it , click again and then you're out of it . But you still But you then still need to have 257.55 260.13 260.69 262.53 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 257.34 257.968 257.4 257.75 Yeah . 257.75 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 262.416 263.52 262.56 263.25 Exactly . 263.25 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 266.723 273.532 266.81 273.532 Well you can use the scroll-wheel as well for um maybe for the channels . But you still um 272.14 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 273.754 274.891 273.94 274.73 Yeah it's r Yeah . 274.73 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 274.877 279.225 275.12 279.09 You still have to have some some button in the menu to go back . 279.09 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 277.431 284.732 277.45 284.7 So you do one inte You can do one integrated scroll-wheel push-button . And then just drop all the other buttons . 282.57 284.7 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 281.996 282.476 282.02 282.42 Yeah . 282.42 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 285.036 286.126 285.06 285.79 Uh yeah . 285.79 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 285.446 288.489 285.58 288.23 Well not all . Not s not sound I guess . 286.42 288.23 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 286.463 294.962 286.48 294.86 But but th the cost of one integrated button is far more than a few extra push-buttons . 294.86 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 288.797 290.348 288.797 290.0 No . 290.0 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 294.7 300.262 294.89 300.22 Yeah . It's uh One integrated button is five times the cost of a normal button . 295.67 300.22 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 299.439 304.54 299.5 304.54 Yeah . So we have to to make it s uh more uh It has to be 300.82 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 300.049 300.718 300.18 300.55 Mm . 300.55 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 300.83 301.633 301.03 301.633 So - TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 302.937 311.131 303.12 310.79 You could also drop j three more of these , without losing much functionality . You just drop the Okay and the Back . 307.06 309.25 310.79 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 308.645 313.996 308.84 313.91 Yeah . Wh wh what what what is the what is the uh sample sensor sample speaker ? 309.28 313.91 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 313.205 314.442 313.32 314.31 Oh , that's for the speech . 313.52 314.31 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 314.932 316.404 315.07 316.11 Speech recognition . 316.11 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 315.814 316.449 315.95 316.26 Yeah . 316.26 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 316.898 319.105 316.99 319.105 Could drop the speech recognition . 318.6 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 317.106 317.976 317.13 317.67 Right . 317.67 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 317.854 319.894 318.03 319.7 S s Drop speech recognition ? 319.7 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 319.836 320.348 319.86 320.348 No but - TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 321.51 323.483 321.6 323.483 Yeah that's possible . 323.42 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 321.599 322.617 321.88 322.47 We we d - TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 322.326 332.172 322.46 332.14 Yeah it's it's expensive , but uh we never considered the possibilities of uh speech recognition . 'Cause it can take the function of a lot of uh uh buttons . 323.89 327.91 332.14 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 330.673 334.152 330.77 333.92 Buttons . That's not very easy to use . 332.12 333.92 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 331.292 332.195 331.48 332.11 Buttons . 332.11 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 332.146 332.631 332.2 332.46 Yeah . 332.46 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 332.56 332.897 332.64 332.72 I - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 333.916 337.011 333.96 336.81 No , it can be disturbed by by noise and 334.78 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 334.732 335.403 334.77 335.2 No . 335.2 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 337.958 341.537 338.02 341.46 Yeah but lets just say that the speech recognition works . 341.46 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 338.081 350.987 338.15 350.82 stuff like that . Let let let me see what's more what's more popular . I guess the the screen was more popular than um than the speech recognition . I have to look on that . Let me see . 339.38 341.91 349.04 350.08 350.82 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 348.608 349.311 348.74 349.23 Yeah . 349.23 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 355.721 363.614 355.85 363.37 Uh well no I was wrong . There are more people who like speech recognition than an L_C_D_ screen . 357.98 363.37 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 362.117 362.685 362.21 362.44 Yep . 362.44 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 363.516 372.551 363.54 372.52 Okay . Because if you d lose the L_C_D_ screen , we need a lot of Yeah . We need a lot of extra buttons . 363.92 367.5 371.07 372.52 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 364.684 365.587 364.79 365.587 But if it - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 366.667 369.533 366.667 369.29 But it it it's a it's a both a hypers - TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 368.463 373.42 368.52 373.39 We lose our whole concept . Uh so No we just We keep the L_C_D_ . 370.06 373.39 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 371.038 380.102 371.4 379.94 No , but Well we Yeah we keep the screen . I mean it's it's about the same . Eight one to ninety one percent , uh sixty six to seventy six . 371.73 374.37 376.26 378.01 379.94 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 377.996 386.09 378.1 386.09 We uh we we haven't really integrated this the speech into the system , so we can might as well s drop that . 382.96 385.65 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 378.153 379.916 378.25 379.88 Okay so we drop the speech . 379.88 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 384.373 392.634 384.52 392.49 And drop it yeah ? Okay . S Fo Four less Euros . So we still have three and a half Euro to lose . 386.12 386.49 389.72 392.49 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 385.222 387.052 385.4 386.97 Yeah . Let's drop the speech . 385.95 386.97 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 385.317 385.951 385.43 385.77 Yeah . 385.77 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 389.168 390.506 389.37 390.39 Sixteen Euros . 390.39 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 392.935 395.005 392.935 394.72 We need to lose some buttons . 394.72 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 393.349 394.118 393.47 393.97 But y y - TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 394.636 403.47 394.69 403.3 Yeah if you lose the the Back , the Okay button Uh v let's say we only have the four arrows , and the Menu button . 397.13 402.21 403.3 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 402.044 402.713 402.19 402.55 Yeah . 402.55 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 403.708 407.228 403.73 407.228 Yeah . And then and then use um 404.97 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 404.679 405.649 404.83 405.649 Then you're - TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 406.586 409.027 406.586 408.63 Oh and the power button we have also . 408.63 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 409.02 415.984 409.04 415.984 The the Okay . And the menu button does also does the okay function then . And then when you in the menu 409.71 413.72 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 413.275 413.91 413.37 413.78 Yeah . 413.78 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 416.753 418.258 416.92 418.15 So that's one Euro . 418.15 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 417.322 419.697 417.4 419.47 S so so you activate the menu . 419.47 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 419.796 426.908 419.97 426.87 If we do uh two integrated scroll-wheel push-buttons , we can drop all the the push-buttons . 423.95 426.87 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 423.776 424.579 423.776 424.44 Yeah . 424.44 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 426.853 428.292 427.03 428.292 Yeah ? And 427.55 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 427.489 435.281 427.51 435.0 With with one uh integrated button we can uh do the whole menu thing . With the other , we can do the the channel , the volume , et cetera . 431.93 432.46 433.75 434.4 435.0 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 431.603 432.753 431.62 432.753 Yeah yeah . 432.69 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 435.008 436.981 435.14 436.61 Yeah . . 436.61 436.61 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 436.071 441.276 436.17 441.23 That would save zero point two Euros compared to No . 441.23 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 441.301 443.836 441.4 443.836 No it's three Euros . No ? Um 443.09 443.41 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 445.235 453.429 445.34 453.2 Yeah . To This together is more expensive than Oof , it's almost the same as t keeping this . And we can drop these two . 445.59 448.99 451.45 453.2 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 445.478 447.217 445.56 447.16 No it's it's n Yeah . 447.16 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 447.786 449.826 447.94 449.826 Yeah yeah yeah . 449.62 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 451.068 463.068 451.09 463.03 Well okay . For example if you have f f four buttons , channel up and down , uh volume left right Okay , I've I think we have to keep that . And then and the power button . So that's five . 451.8 455.54 456.52 458.24 460.57 462.17 463.03 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 451.81 452.556 451.88 452.556 It's the - TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 456.87 457.773 457.09 457.6 Volume . 457.6 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 460.204 461.585 460.22 461.32 And the power button . 461.32 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 464.06 465.431 464.16 465.34 That's the basic . 465.34 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 464.876 475.132 465.01 475.09 That's basic . That that's what you need anyway . And then for the menu , um you can have a button that activates menu . 466.0 468.02 470.01 475.09 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 476.748 498.362 476.77 498.04 Or d or do we just integrate an an an scroll-wheel with a push-button . And then if the moment you use the scroll-wheel , the the the menu gets activated , and then you can scroll , choose an option , click on it , it goes into an feature . Click on it again , selects features , scroll , adjust it . Click again , it's okay . Then you only need one button to move back . 481.7 484.51 486.43 487.6 488.55 489.65 491.25 492.08 492.91 493.22 494.04 494.61 495.44 498.04 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 498.362 519.1 498.64 519.0 Or or under each option , you set a you set an a screen thing what says back , and you select that one , click again , and you go one step back . And in that menu , scroll , click , one step back . So that then you need five buttons , and one integrated scroll-wheel push-button . 501.24 504.3 505.88 506.44 507.61 508.93 509.82 510.23 512.11 516.2 519.0 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 514.517 514.988 514.66 514.94 Yep . 514.94 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 520.075 522.851 520.11 522.851 Which That's even - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 519.968 527.065 520.11 526.79 But we can't drop three buttons . But I see that's Yeah . So that's not a good idea . 521.93 525.23 526.79 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 520.036 525.253 520.14 525.14 Okay th that's Yeah that's one Euro more expensive . 525.14 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 526.223 527.761 526.38 527.71 That's not an option . 527.71 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 529.266 534.94 529.35 534.94 Because which buttons do we have now ? Those five which I mentioned , and then menu , and then 531.39 533.23 534.34 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 534.25 535.554 534.45 535.4 Menu , power . 534.93 535.4 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 536.012 540.188 536.03 540.15 Yeah . F of the four things ? Yeah , th power . 536.49 538.94 539.49 540.15 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 538.044 538.924 538.06 538.89 Four arrows ? 538.89 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 540.124 542.46 540.29 542.46 Power . Uh 541.44 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 542.008 543.58 542.008 543.48 Which more ? 543.48 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 542.297 545.404 542.297 545.404 Yeah , if you if you go to eight I don't know how to 542.85 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 545.537 552.894 545.66 552.894 Yeah . Okay . So four arrows ? Uh power I believe ? Uh 546.25 546.54 548.98 552.0 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 548.167 551.579 548.32 551.46 Yeah . Power . Th Yeah that's five . 549.38 550.23 551.46 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 553.965 558.647 554.18 558.47 We have a Back and a Okay button . 558.47 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 558.396 567.116 558.42 567.06 Yeah , okay that's seven , and one to activate the menu , yeah . So okay that's eight . Well we can't reduce that . We we keep the display . 558.88 560.72 562.66 563.09 564.63 565.78 567.06 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 560.654 562.828 560.72 562.71 And the Menu . 562.71 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 568.141 569.438 568.25 569.23 Oh , well okay . 568.56 569.23 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 568.379 576.412 568.62 576.412 Yeah , and even if we drop three buttons from here , we still have to make some adjustments around here . So 568.91 572.51 576.04 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 577.035 577.771 577.17 577.53 Yeah . 577.53 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 578.659 582.716 578.83 582.57 Yeah , we need the chip for the for the L_C_ display . 579.3 582.57 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 581.423 583.162 581.55 582.94 The L_C_D_ ? Yeah . 582.69 582.94 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 583.436 586.171 583.56 585.94 Let's make the Let's make the case plastic . 585.94 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 583.59 585.363 583.7 585.363 Yeah well we need the advanced - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 589.212 590.881 589.41 590.71 Instead of r - TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 589.292 596.604 589.52 596.57 Then I rather make it wood . Because then also it's good in the market with the forty five plus uh people . 591.08 596.57 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 593.763 594.399 593.89 594.33 Yeah . 594.33 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 595.721 596.29 595.79 596.13 Yeah . 596.13 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 596.801 598.942 596.82 598.73 Yeah but but that's not our market . 598.73 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 596.859 597.235 596.88 597.09 True . 597.09 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 597.794 598.279 597.85 598.279 But - TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 599.024 603.276 599.14 603.24 No that maybe not . But maybe it's better than plastic anyway . 600.27 603.24 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 604.164 606.773 604.51 606.773 Ah no , hard plastic . 604.77 606.49 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 607.193 608.129 607.193 607.99 Oh . 607.99 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 607.149 616.146 607.35 616.146 Plastic with a with a special colour . A woo wood uh wood uh wood colour . That's an option . 609.22 613.85 615.86 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 609.147 611.321 609.3 611.09 Yeah , plastic with special colour . 609.64 611.09 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 611.215 615.128 611.41 615.128 Yeah ? Yeah okay uh 613.91 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 612.09 622.391 612.09 622.02 No but I I Because we have to use the special colour anyway . You forgot that . So let's go for the plastic . 617.83 620.59 622.02 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 618.755 619.323 618.85 619.17 Yeah . 619.17 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 619.538 620.73 619.64 620.68 Yep . Yeah , yeah . 620.33 620.43 620.68 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 620.594 622.567 620.63 622.33 So we do one one s Yeah . 622.33 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 622.553 624.426 622.64 624.15 Yeah , okay . Plastic . 622.78 623.12 624.15 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 624.871 629.596 625.18 629.54 And since it's not kinetic , it doesn't have to flip around that much ? 626.63 629.54 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 628.205 631.404 628.38 631.404 Uh that's easy because plastic is free . 631.31 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 629.772 630.396 629.81 630.36 Hmm . 630.36 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 632.244 632.813 632.28 632.56 Hmm . 632.56 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 632.631 634.604 632.73 634.34 We still have problem of two Euros . 634.34 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 634.693 637.756 634.86 637.756 Yeah , okay . Uh if we dropped uh 635.14 635.65 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 637.796 640.405 637.92 640.29 No the buttons , those are really needed . 638.98 640.29 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 640.718 641.287 640.77 641.02 Yeah ? 641.02 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 641.126 642.564 641.2 642.37 Yeah we can't drop them . 642.37 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 641.174 643.004 641.34 643.004 Yeah th th it's it's uh - TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 644.92 647.395 645.05 647.395 An advanced chip-on-print . 647.18 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 646.701 647.47 646.81 647.47 Yeah uh - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 646.822 650.684 646.822 650.64 Do we really need that advanced chip for an L_C_D_ display ? 650.64 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 646.839 649.113 646.839 648.78 You still need that . 648.78 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 647.897 648.722 647.95 648.722 You uh uh - TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 650.547 663.116 650.62 663.07 Yeah . So the other option would be to go for the the sample speaker , and Which can use a regular chip , wh which is six Euros in total . That doesn't matter . 651.35 655.8 660.4 662.2 663.07 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 660.919 661.855 660.919 661.8 S - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 663.177 670.78 663.44 670.62 Oh . I rather keep I rather keep the display . So the only option is an hand dynamo . 664.53 667.31 670.62 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 664.446 669.731 664.53 669.731 No , I keep the re Yeah . Yeah . Because we already designed for it . So 664.85 666.46 667.14 668.83 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 666.4 666.908 666.44 666.87 Well yeah . 666.87 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 669.716 670.485 669.75 670.35 Exactly . 670.35 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 670.845 673.152 670.845 673.152 Oh that - TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 672.317 674.023 672.43 673.89 Yeah and something else . 673.89 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 673.938 682.86 673.938 682.83 Yeah but the uh can't we f uh fit all the buttons in an intreg integrated scroll push-button ? 'Cause that will save us one and a half Euro already . 680.63 682.83 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 673.812 676.153 674.0 676.08 Oh no tha Oh that's one Euro , right . 675.49 676.08 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 683.763 684.933 684.03 684.72 And then if w - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 684.113 692.252 684.25 692.252 And then integrated s Yeah but that would make it not so easy to use . I mean it's not that important , easy to use , but 689.77 691.29 691.96 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 687.835 691.213 687.97 690.57 No y you would rec - TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 692.476 694.859 692.62 694.859 Then you have - TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 693.36 697.742 693.5 697.742 Th then we have to scroll through a lot of menus to be able to get where you want , huh ? And uh 697.1 697.29 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 696.732 702.762 696.92 702.53 Then you still need two additional buttons I believe . For the volume . You can use those Yeah . 700.14 701.42 702.53 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 697.157 698.126 697.29 697.98 Yeah . 697.98 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 700.183 703.895 700.25 703.85 Yeah d at l Yeah . At least one for power . 702.56 703.85 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 703.692 704.83 703.73 704.83 But the - TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 704.167 708.672 704.29 708.672 Oh yeah and power . That's three buttons and this would cost 705.69 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 705.701 706.27 705.85 706.19 Oh . 706.19 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 707.641 710.283 707.8 710.1 Yeah it's just as expensive as what we have now . 710.1 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 709.211 714.524 709.3 714.49 But the integrated uh button ? How many func functions can it uh have ? 711.96 714.49 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 710.02 710.722 710.21 710.64 Yeah . 710.64 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 715.137 717.612 715.27 717.47 Three . Up , down , Okay . 715.91 716.19 716.89 717.47 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 716.576 731.224 716.8 730.88 Yeah endlessly . I mean it can be a power button as soon as it powered on . You can go into you in you main menu , you can choose uh flip channel , uh you can choose sound options , any options . 717.9 721.99 725.12 727.97 729.51 730.88 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 718.337 719.173 718.54 718.91 Okay . 718.91 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 721.978 724.519 722.02 724.29 You you press it for like three seconds . 724.29 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 730.277 734.725 730.39 734.64 Then then then you should do everything in the menu . On the screen . 733.79 734.64 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 733.366 734.101 733.57 733.85 Yeah . 733.85 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 734.847 739.653 734.847 739.48 Maybe we should . 'Cause we don't have money and w we want the screen . 736.46 739.48 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 734.922 747.612 735.09 747.56 Yeah , okay . It would save enough Yeah you can choose this , drop these , then we have a half Euro left . So we can maybe still use power button . 735.27 735.5 739.85 740.98 744.52 747.56 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 742.892 744.156 742.91 744.156 Yeah . 743.9 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 748.588 751.58 748.588 751.46 Yeah , but we'd Alright . 749.71 751.46 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 749.483 750.085 749.58 749.89 Yeah . 749.89 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 752.2 753.705 752.32 753.65 I guess we have to . 753.65 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 752.642 756.321 752.77 756.21 It s it saves us four Euros and it costs us two and a half . 756.21 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 758.78 764.214 758.82 764.14 So let's see , we we drop the price by one and a half . But we still have thirteen left . 760.26 762.53 764.14 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 760.193 761.765 760.36 761.765 We'll we'll be on - TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 760.654 767.211 760.81 767.09 Yeah . You see ? Oh still Yeah ? Oh then I miscalculated . Oh yeah . 761.08 763.21 765.25 766.82 767.09 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 767.299 777.772 767.32 777.73 Thirteen . So still half . There goes the special co Well That would make it less appealing . So that's no option . 767.85 770.94 776.07 777.73 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 768.48 776.55 768.48 776.55 Shit . Drop the special colour . 771.01 776.47 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 771.692 773.866 771.692 773.63 Oh no . 773.63 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 777.93 781.534 777.93 781.33 'Kay . What else ? Uncurved ? 779.14 780.66 781.33 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 781.19 783.708 781.34 783.53 No no , it has to be um curved . 782.0 783.53 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 782.55 785.961 782.71 785.69 We sure about the advanced chip we need for the display ? 785.69 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 785.38 786.182 785.63 785.99 Yeah . 785.99 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 785.516 787.004 785.69 786.86 Yeah it says right here . 786.86 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 788.59 792.604 788.59 792.604 They made it very easy for us . 792.27 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 789.317 790.421 789.45 790.07 Okay . 790.07 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 790.476 797.543 790.63 797.09 Well yeah . yeah . We made it hard for ourselves with the display , but it's a cool feature . 792.61 793.95 795.83 797.09 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 795.786 805.217 795.96 805.217 Ah , I don't think I can s uh persuade the management to say , this is better for the market so you sell more than 796.48 800.91 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 802.834 805.978 803.08 805.978 Okay . Wh what we could do is um 803.37 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 806.881 812.059 807.0 812.02 drop the the special colour , and uh do the special colour for the buttons . 809.22 812.02 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 808.908 809.802 808.98 809.75 Yeah . 809.75 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 811.292 815.116 811.42 815.07 Buttons . That's Oh yeah since we only have one button . 812.36 815.07 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 815.175 817.5 815.4 817.5 Yeah . 817.17 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 816.025 819.202 816.21 818.97 Yeah but I mean what is meant by special colour ? 818.97 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 819.526 825.011 819.81 824.97 I just m I don't I think Uh yeah it's I think it's grey , regular . 824.49 824.97 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 819.757 823.369 819.95 823.18 Just something else than than black or white I think . 823.18 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 826.527 828.433 826.69 828.31 S yeah . Alright . 827.7 828.31 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 827.943 829.281 828.24 829.14 Grey and rubber . 829.14 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 829.01 834.093 829.11 833.67 But we definitely want the thing to be a special colour though . Damn . 833.52 833.67 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 830.284 831.287 830.38 831.09 Of plastic . 831.09 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 831.838 832.36 831.87 832.21 Yeah . 832.21 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 832.279 846.964 832.37 846.9 Yeah . So I rather have an hand dynamo than than drop the colour . You can still play with it then I guess . I don't know . Yeah , but a hand dynamo costs a lot of energy to keep the screen working . So I guess that isn't an option . 833.22 838.69 840.57 841.45 841.68 844.88 846.9 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 836.0 837.538 836.18 837.538 Yeah and then - TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 838.3 840.147 838.32 839.89 Yeah yeah yeah yeah . 839.89 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 838.277 838.879 838.36 838.73 Yeah . 838.73 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 841.068 841.622 841.12 841.44 Yeah . 841.44 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 846.418 848.204 846.48 848.204 The display - TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 848.006 851.788 848.18 851.69 Well , you only have to power it up when you wanna use it . 848.86 851.69 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 848.209 848.908 848.31 848.87 Yeah . 848.87 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 849.06 849.963 849.47 849.963 The - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 852.256 852.958 852.41 852.8 Yeah . 852.8 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 852.223 856.738 852.51 856.738 But if you have to power the for ten minutes , then the 855.85 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 852.923 853.759 853.01 853.6 I don't know . 853.6 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 855.196 857.781 855.196 857.67 Yeah . 857.67 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 855.817 863.576 855.9 863.45 No I don't think the current status of uh chips are pretty uh energy conserving , no . 863.16 863.45 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 857.137 858.107 857.137 858.107 . 858.107 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 861.487 862.357 861.67 862.0 Yeah . 862.0 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 863.66 866.845 863.71 866.67 Yeah true . Let's let's go for the hand dynamo then . 864.83 866.67 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 864.361 865.03 864.52 864.86 Yeah . 864.86 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 866.457 870.002 866.59 869.8 Yeah hand dynamo ? Do you want an extra button ? 868.19 869.8 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 870.223 874.607 870.36 874.607 Or or do we Or do we do uncurved and flat ? Instead of 873.69 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 874.664 877.708 874.82 877.67 No no it has to be curved . Yeah . 877.44 877.67 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 876.209 879.955 876.36 879.76 Yeah it has to be curved and has to have that colour . And a screen . 879.04 879.76 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 876.568 877.471 876.59 877.1 Yeah . 877.1 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 878.513 882.426 878.53 882.17 Just put a special special colour of the buttons , or something . 881.42 882.17 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 878.867 881.442 878.93 881.28 Yeah . Yeah . That's the most import 879.83 880.26 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 882.611 885.654 882.69 885.57 Yep ? Instead of an additional power button ? 883.65 885.57 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 883.864 885.938 884.01 885.68 Yeah or spe special form ? 885.68 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 884.083 884.885 884.19 884.8 Yeah . 884.8 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 886.124 889.869 886.14 889.72 S what what is special f Oh yeah , special form . Maybe that's nicer . 887.61 888.77 889.72 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 888.598 891.148 888.76 891.148 Yeah ? It's for scroll 890.05 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 891.724 892.46 891.8 892.26 Yeah . 892.26 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 892.544 897.516 892.65 897.48 But we don't have any buttons . So do d Uh make it a special colour then . 895.05 897.48 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 892.603 893.361 892.84 893.361 Without - TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 895.021 896.058 895.15 896.058 We only have - TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 895.905 899.436 896.02 899.436 Yeah . But it's it's for the integrated button , I think also . Or 896.35 898.42 899.17 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 899.4 901.541 899.56 901.47 Yeah ma make it a special colour then . 901.47 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 899.536 900.339 899.72 900.339 Yeah but - TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 900.697 904.476 900.9 904.476 Yeah but it's just a scroll-wheel which you can push down . So 904.13 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 902.527 904.6 902.67 904.16 Yeah . Okay . Yeah . 903.29 903.92 904.16 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 904.879 910.13 905.04 910.13 Okay . Make it a special colour and then it look fancy . So 905.77 909.5 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 905.68 906.349 905.79 906.1 Yeah ? 906.1 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 908.155 909.025 908.43 908.93 Yep . 908.93 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 908.764 915.011 908.78 915.011 So Woah we're within budget . It's a miracle . 912.08 914.51 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 911.26 914.11 911.26 913.87 Yeah . Let's let's save it . 912.36 913.87 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 912.102 917.74 912.19 917.58 Oh just oh ma make it two special colours , but we only have one button . Okay . 914.79 917.05 917.58 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 916.016 916.785 916.14 916.6 Yeah . 916.6 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 917.655 922.988 917.76 922.988 Let's do it like this , I mean , because it does not lose our identity of the product as we 918.64 919.14 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 919.089 919.824 919.22 919.47 Yeah ? 919.47 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 923.035 925.51 923.035 925.51 Okay . Um , well 924.2 925.06 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 927.55 930.192 927.55 930.0 . 'Kay , this was old . 927.81 928.17 930.0 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 931.238 934.996 931.39 934.996 Well we come back to the drawing board then , huh ? 933.4 934.27 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 933.74 938.864 933.74 938.864 Yeah all your designs are uh pretty much - TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 933.647 936.256 933.78 936.09 Yeah . Okay . 935.63 936.09 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 934.44 937.918 934.56 937.918 Yeah back to work . Uh 935.84 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 938.467 942.648 938.56 942.25 It's silly 'cause we we should have had this meeting before we start drawing . 942.25 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 938.554 940.694 938.66 940.6 Did I save it ? 940.6 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 942.166 948.791 942.27 948.791 Yeah . I I wanted to go , but I wasn't allowed . So 943.81 945.18 946.57 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 942.175 944.476 942.27 944.476 Yeah but that but that's the fun part of it . 944.26 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 944.521 945.557 944.82 945.42 Oh yeah ? 945.42 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 947.036 948.233 947.036 948.11 okay . 948.11 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 948.195 949.198 948.3 948.9 Alright . 948.9 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 950.264 954.746 950.34 954.64 Uh I just forgot to save this . Just a minute . 953.95 954.64 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 961.167 962.238 961.167 962.238 . 962.238 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 969.203 971.611 969.36 971.41 Yeah what's the next uh phase ? 971.41 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 971.368 974.636 971.6 974.636 Yeah , this the last phase of course , so 971.95 973.94 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 974.521 976.227 974.69 976.0 Uh the agenda . 976.0 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 977.063 978.601 977.16 978.46 By your humble P_M_ . 978.46 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 978.828 979.388 978.85 979.34 Hmm . 979.34 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 980.364 985.516 980.364 985.516 Oh f Frustrated . Alright . 983.26 985.27 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 980.403 986.089 980.403 986.0 Oh . 986.0 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 986.486 987.523 986.75 987.22 Yeah . 987.22 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 986.958 988.965 987.17 988.965 Okay . Um 987.58 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 989.74 1002.499 989.76 1002.499 Well we first should have had a uh prototype presentation . But well as you saw that hadn't made no sense , because we had to drop it . Uh 994.35 996.61 1000.41 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 998.079 1000.083 998.29 999.77 Drop everything . Yeah . 999.46 999.77 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 998.66 999.764 998.8 999.63 Drop , yeah . 999.29 999.63 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1001.558 1006.342 1001.7 1006.342 We went straight into finance ? 1006.12 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1003.329 1006.944 1003.41 1006.79 Yeah . Yeah it was more important , so I just 1004.86 1005.99 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1005.851 1007.824 1005.851 1007.63 Yeah . Yeah . 1007.28 1007.63 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1006.342 1007.345 1006.44 1007.25 For Yeah . 1007.25 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1007.743 1010.653 1007.85 1010.48 pushed up the agenda . Uh , 1009.71 1010.48 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1007.87 1008.245 1007.97 1008.14 Yeah . 1008.14 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1011.996 1016.406 1012.13 1016.23 evaluation criteria . You have t produced something about that ? 1013.74 1016.23 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1014.719 1022.411 1014.84 1022.411 Yeah that that's Yeah . I uh I sure did . And it combines with product evaluation . Uh so 1016.77 1018.6 1020.89 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1022.029 1024.504 1022.19 1024.34 Uh you put it in the . 1024.34 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1023.596 1034.812 1023.62 1034.67 We all have to keep in mind what has changed now . So what we have left on the Because evaluation is based on the initial uh user requirements . Alright . 1026.19 1034.22 1034.67 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1028.083 1028.819 1028.24 1028.6 Yeah . 1028.6 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1035.622 1037.628 1035.622 1037.628 Let's make it big . 1036.96 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1035.66 1036.302 1035.74 1036.11 F_ five . 1036.11 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1038.899 1039.902 1039.02 1039.902 Um - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1040.897 1057.084 1041.08 1057.084 Well we evaluate uh the design with a seven point scale , as following . Well the remote controls according criteria blah blah blah . True or false , and then on a scale of seven points , a scale , as we all know it . Um 1044.89 1046.4 1050.01 1050.8 1052.85 1054.36 1056.01 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1053.303 1054.44 1053.5 1053.86 Mm-hmm . 1053.86 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1057.98 1065.324 1058.0 1065.29 Well the criteria are based on the user requirements , uh the trends from the marketing research , and the marketing strategy of the company itself . 1060.6 1062.9 1065.29 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1068.38 1077.069 1068.4 1076.83 Um well they are in a Word document , which I will open now . Yeah . I don't know it's open yet . No . 1071.26 1074.04 1075.44 1076.63 1076.83 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1072.775 1073.645 1072.91 1073.51 Alt up - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1081.183 1085.948 1081.22 1085.91 And we all have to uh agree on a certain level . What's this ? 1085.38 1085.91 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1086.889 1090.233 1086.889 1090.233 Freaky . 1090.06 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1087.237 1089.916 1087.37 1089.916 Oh . I don't know . Um 1087.72 1089.04 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1091.532 1102.156 1091.55 1101.61 Well the first point is the remote control matches the operating behaviour of the young user . So that means the operating behaviour was using quite a lot of functions . 1097.34 1101.61 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1103.315 1104.887 1103.34 1104.68 How do you think about that ? 1104.68 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1105.621 1114.877 1105.621 1114.73 I think it does . Because the operating behaviour of the young user was also defined in colour and shape and the use of L_C_D_ , right ? 1107.99 1114.39 1114.73 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1114.452 1117.998 1114.54 1117.998 Yeah . Uh , of course we dropped a little bit of those uh 1114.92 1115.23 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1115.356 1116.603 1115.38 1116.36 Yeah the us u - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1117.306 1124.396 1117.45 1124.396 It it it's it's mainly con mainly concentrating on a lot of functions , in this question . So do you think 1121.46 1122.91 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1117.834 1118.971 1117.97 1118.36 Yeah . 1118.36 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1121.509 1122.145 1121.67 1122.06 Mm-hmm . 1122.06 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1123.921 1128.938 1124.05 1128.938 Well , we have extended menus , on the on the L_C_D_ screen . So 1124.8 1126.84 1128.4 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1126.892 1136.46 1126.91 1136.43 Yeah . You can you can ma Yeah , you can make a lot of extended menus . That's true . I mean the the possibilities are almost unlimited , to to build in menus in the screen . 1127.41 1128.97 1130.6 1131.19 1134.87 1136.43 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1128.129 1128.831 1128.32 1128.77 Yep . 1128.77 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1134.602 1135.052 1134.602 1134.74 I - TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1136.061 1137.484 1136.061 1137.33 No . 1137.33 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1137.804 1139.647 1137.82 1139.41 So on a scale from - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1140.524 1143.04 1140.56 1142.97 one to seven , what do you think ? 1142.1 1142.97 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1142.214 1143.485 1142.4 1143.22 Two or three . 1143.22 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1143.9 1144.377 1143.92 1144.18 Huh ? 1144.18 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1144.187 1145.324 1144.31 1145.19 Two or three . 1145.19 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1145.244 1152.705 1145.26 1152.55 Two or three ? Something like that ? Well we have to choose one . So uh what do you say ? I agree on two . 1145.99 1146.7 1148.57 1151.72 1152.55 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1146.695 1147.431 1146.87 1147.32 Two . 1147.32 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1146.869 1147.705 1147.07 1147.51 Yeah . 1147.51 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1151.372 1155.725 1151.39 1155.725 Uh y we should fill this in now . Yeah okay . Uh 1153.92 1155.19 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1153.575 1157.521 1153.63 1157.521 Yeah . I uh I say two , personally . But 1155.07 1156.59 1157.21 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1157.324 1157.893 1157.41 1157.79 Yeah . 1157.79 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1157.74 1162.921 1157.76 1162.59 Yeah in the new design I s would say it's three . But now , in original design I say two . 1160.2 1160.77 1162.59 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1157.939 1159.21 1158.1 1159.06 Yeah alright . 1159.06 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1162.103 1165.247 1162.22 1165.12 Yeah well we have to evaluate I guess what we have now . 1165.12 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1165.496 1167.001 1165.63 1166.83 Okay then I say three . 1166.83 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1167.148 1184.834 1167.17 1184.75 Yeah ? You say three , and you you said al also three ? Three ? Okay well I say still two , but it has to be three then . Yeah I know . So it's made bold . But it's nah , it's not very clear on the sc Maybe other colour , yeah . That's better . 1167.4 1167.92 1170.0 1170.81 1172.17 1175.34 1177.25 1179.0 1179.95 1183.5 1184.15 1184.75 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1167.638 1168.943 1167.75 1168.65 Yeah yeah . 1168.65 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1170.275 1170.685 1170.36 1170.48 Yeah . 1170.48 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1172.821 1177.1 1172.821 1177.1 Hey , you're marketing , eh . 1174.45 1175.08 1176.85 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1179.108 1181.349 1179.23 1181.25 Hmm . M maybe underline . 1179.98 1181.25 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1181.605 1182.91 1181.68 1182.69 Or give it a colour . 1182.69 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1185.788 1188.01 1185.788 1188.01 Red . 1187.84 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1185.971 1186.64 1186.07 1186.64 Uh - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1188.112 1192.326 1188.31 1192.19 Yeah . Alright . Oh , it doesn't have to be bold anymore . 1189.48 1190.21 1190.61 1192.19 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1192.257 1205.66 1192.257 1205.66 Oh yeah very true . He types everything . 1200.13 1205.46 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1193.189 1194.493 1193.189 1194.28 Alright . 1194.28 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1195.764 1202.611 1195.9 1202.611 Yeah . Um well the remote control has Wha 1197.56 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1196.742 1198.764 1196.87 1198.764 Yeah true one . 1198.41 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1201.004 1205.468 1201.004 1205.31 Definitely one . It has to be . 1204.27 1205.31 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1203.667 1204.226 1203.7 1203.98 Yeah . 1203.98 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1205.965 1211.609 1206.02 1211.53 The remote control has irrelevant or less used functions . For example audio settings and screen settings . 1209.24 1211.53 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1210.41 1213.42 1210.44 1213.42 It hides uh basic functions . 1213.23 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1211.055 1216.376 1211.055 1216.376 Everything . You don't use anything else . 1214.02 1216.25 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1211.609 1226.78 1211.609 1226.78 Yeah . Well , yeah . So it it's a very true point . I mean it hides all those function . But , I mean uh they're hidden in the screen . If you don't want to use them , you don't s you s just scroll over them . And you place them 1214.85 1215.83 1216.64 1218.36 1220.8 1220.96 1222.36 1223.56 1225.98 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1212.189 1218.109 1212.189 1218.04 You're not gonna find them . 1218.04 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1218.814 1221.055 1218.9 1220.85 Yeah . Yeah okay . Yeah . 1219.36 1220.64 1220.85 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1220.578 1221.614 1220.8 1221.41 Yeah true . 1221.41 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1227.309 1227.944 1227.39 1227.65 Mm-hmm . 1227.65 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1227.602 1232.316 1227.602 1232.21 F I don't know where . So that's very true , I guess , for our case . 1229.37 1230.4 1230.79 1232.21 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1233.222 1238.94 1233.28 1238.89 Uh the second point . It shows the relevant and most used functions . Power button . 1235.32 1238.09 1238.89 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1233.231 1235.884 1233.34 1235.62 Yeah the next Not so much so . 1235.62 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1237.98 1239.019 1238.0 1238.8 Nope . 1238.8 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1239.978 1243.438 1240.06 1243.37 Do we ha still have a power button ? Well yeah the button's integrated , huh ? 1241.5 1242.96 1243.37 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1241.26 1244.705 1241.38 1244.54 Uh check with the Excel sheet . 1244.54 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1243.532 1244.234 1243.58 1244.03 Yeah . 1244.03 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1243.626 1245.952 1243.626 1245.952 I think we are - TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1245.171 1246.977 1245.21 1246.85 Yeah it's uh it's integrated . 1246.85 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1245.955 1260.94 1246.01 1260.91 Yeah we dropped it . You j you just push it in for Yeah just just push it in for th for three seconds or something , and then Yeah . I don't know . Yeah . Um it shows the relevant and most used functions . 1246.81 1252.44 1254.27 1256.4 1257.6 1260.91 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1247.573 1249.747 1247.64 1249.65 It's in Oh yeah it was integrateds . Yeah . 1249.31 1249.65 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1249.053 1250.29 1249.15 1250.18 Yeah integrate it . 1250.18 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1252.467 1255.209 1252.55 1255.03 E exactly just like a m mobile . 1255.03 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1252.799 1253.401 1252.91 1253.27 Yeah . 1253.27 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1254.872 1257.676 1254.94 1257.676 Just go scrolling and it will activate . 1257.35 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1261.052 1261.798 1261.052 1261.798 . 1261.798 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1262.744 1266.992 1262.84 1266.92 Yeah uh on the other uh on one side I would say yes , and the other side I would say no . 1265.49 1266.92 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1267.995 1270.136 1268.07 1269.98 So it's I don't know . 1269.98 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1269.852 1274.141 1269.95 1274.141 It shows the most used functions and they are relevant , but 1273.41 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1272.561 1280.626 1272.75 1280.38 Can you uh change channels directly with with just one button ? No , you have to scroll through the menu , before 1276.69 1277.85 1279.72 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1273.318 1274.087 1273.44 1274.01 Yeah . 1274.01 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1277.9 1281.9 1278.05 1281.9 With the scroll butt Yeah and then say channel . And then 1281.37 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1281.257 1283.731 1281.37 1283.731 Yeah . So it's it's not 1281.98 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1281.972 1289.98 1282.42 1289.95 Well uh we should b build it so that if you don't kind of push into the menu or something , if When it's on , yeah , it's turned on , 1288.19 1289.09 1289.36 1289.95 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1289.271 1290.107 1289.43 1290.02 Hmm ? 1290.02 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1289.359 1291.867 1289.52 1291.867 You say you double click on the - TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1291.234 1299.696 1291.47 1299.45 It automatically has the the programme and the volume function , but as soon as you click it you go into the menu or some Of you Or you double click it . 1295.81 1299.45 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1291.88 1292.549 1291.91 1292.27 Yeah . 1292.27 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1297.766 1298.368 1297.88 1298.22 Yeah . 1298.22 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1299.101 1302.881 1299.14 1302.77 But but how do you change from volume to channel ? 1302.77 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1303.743 1306.117 1303.81 1305.95 No because it has four arrows , right ? 1305.54 1305.95 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1306.12 1311.003 1306.25 1310.87 No , not anymore . Because he's now have a scroll-wheel that you can push in . 1306.46 1307.37 1310.87 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1306.211 1307.917 1306.52 1307.917 No . 1307.81 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1306.627 1307.797 1306.79 1307.797 No . 1307.71 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1307.756 1308.717 1307.78 1308.49 Oh yeah . 1308.49 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1309.054 1309.757 1309.22 1309.53 Yeah . 1309.53 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1311.058 1315.272 1311.21 1314.98 Yeah I was thinking still about our uh integrated joystick . 1314.98 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1311.371 1312.943 1311.44 1312.76 Like on the the mouse . 1312.76 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1314.672 1336.883 1314.83 1336.79 No we have n we have no buttons left . So the joystick was not an option . So so you hav So you you have to double-click , I mean , for , I mean , uh volume , and three double click for the menu , or something . Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . Alright . 1317.33 1321.35 1326.94 1327.27 1327.67 1328.58 1329.34 1331.35 1332.97 1334.17 1334.77 1335.58 1336.79 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1318.383 1319.734 1318.56 1319.4 Say . 1319.4 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1320.724 1322.697 1320.79 1322.57 Yeah that is a bummer . 1322.57 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1322.926 1326.438 1323.06 1326.438 Yeah . 1326.32 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1328.512 1330.619 1328.72 1330.51 To get into menu . Yeah . 1329.96 1330.51 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1331.334 1333.14 1331.334 1332.99 Oh no . 1332.99 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1331.836 1338.311 1331.836 1338.311 Or hold it ten seconds . 1337.79 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1332.46 1337.659 1332.46 1337.08 We'll make it a Morse code . 1337.08 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1336.883 1348.828 1336.99 1348.78 But but ease of use was not very important , may I remind you . So that's Yeah but that that's not a question . Uh the remote control shows the relevant and most used functions . Well I think it's pretty much in the middle . 1339.33 1340.11 1343.2 1347.08 1348.78 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1339.637 1343.182 1339.67 1343.182 No no no . Uh it should be trendy . 1340.2 1343.02 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1348.7 1350.339 1348.96 1350.24 Yeah . Four . 1349.68 1350.24 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1350.119 1354.601 1350.19 1354.601 You have to search for them in in the in the s in the screen , in the menu . So 1353.53 1354.12 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1351.911 1353.483 1352.03 1353.32 Yeah , im in the menu . 1352.2 1353.32 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1354.563 1355.533 1354.75 1355.28 Yeah . 1355.28 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1354.951 1356.556 1355.17 1356.556 Seven . 1356.17 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1355.437 1357.946 1355.47 1357.946 So maybe it's more like a f a five . Or 1357.61 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1357.425 1358.529 1357.48 1358.45 Yeah . Five . 1357.89 1358.45 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1357.573 1359.9 1357.71 1359.87 Yeah I would go for five or six , yeah . 1359.64 1359.87 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1359.785 1361.758 1359.89 1361.66 Yeah . Five or six ? 1360.73 1361.66 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1361.911 1362.513 1361.93 1362.39 Five . 1362.39 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1363.392 1366.38 1363.55 1366.29 Okay five . Let's not diss our remote . 1365.06 1366.29 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1363.686 1364.915 1363.85 1364.84 Five . Yep . 1364.43 1364.84 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1364.4 1366.842 1364.43 1366.76 Five ? Alright . Yeah . 1364.93 1366.26 1366.76 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1369.073 1375.628 1369.23 1375.628 It's the weirdest remote control I've ever seen . So 1373.09 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1371.156 1372.025 1371.27 1372.025 Oh . 1371.9 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1374.4 1375.169 1374.48 1374.9 Yeah . 1374.9 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1374.964 1375.834 1375.22 1375.76 Yep . 1375.76 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1377.205 1379.964 1377.37 1379.964 Just one button . 1379.56 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1378.17 1382.82 1378.17 1382.82 Well it's different . 1382.47 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1378.588 1393.532 1378.588 1393.34 Yeah . Alright . Uh the the remote control makes use of technolog technological innovation like L_C_D_ screen and speech recognition . Well yeah but we dropped the speech recognition . But it has at least one innovation . 1380.61 1381.24 1388.49 1390.73 1393.34 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1382.271 1383.442 1382.29 1383.22 But Uh yep . 1383.22 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1387.133 1388.036 1387.25 1387.93 Yeah . 1387.93 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1390.545 1391.682 1390.63 1391.682 Yeah , it's still 1390.85 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1394.362 1395.667 1394.49 1395.48 Yeah , I say two . 1394.82 1395.48 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1395.822 1398.994 1395.822 1398.75 We still have the fruit and vegetable print . 1398.75 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1395.843 1397.148 1395.94 1396.99 I say two then . 1396.99 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1396.136 1396.835 1396.32 1396.67 Yeah . 1396.67 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1399.516 1404.184 1399.54 1404.11 Yeah but that that's not that's not this question . Uh thi uh that's the other question . 1402.15 1404.11 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1399.479 1402.289 1399.6 1402.289 Oh , that's the next . 1399.85 1402.14 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1399.93 1404.613 1400.07 1404.48 Fr Oh I mean the Oh never mind . I'm a bit lost . 1403.64 1404.48 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1404.972 1405.548 1404.99 1405.51 This one . 1405.51 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1405.537 1407.979 1405.71 1407.77 I think a two . No . 1407.43 1407.77 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1406.837 1407.372 1406.92 1407.24 Two . 1407.24 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1407.058 1415.164 1407.25 1415.11 Two yeah . I think L_C_D_'s more useful than speech What ? Oh not the bold one . 1408.97 1413.73 1415.11 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1408.565 1409.368 1408.565 1409.368 . 1409.368 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1409.2 1409.637 1409.37 1409.53 Yep . 1409.53 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1412.289 1414.095 1412.37 1414.01 Yeah definitely . 1414.01 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1415.555 1417.428 1415.75 1417.32 It's way more practical , yeah . 1416.98 1417.32 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1417.68 1435.017 1417.84 1435.017 Right . Okay , it has a fancy look and feel by using fruit and vegetable prints , primary colours and sponge-like material . It should have been two questions . I realise now , because sponge-like material is dropped . But the look and feel 1420.29 1420.59 1423.33 1426.57 1428.85 1429.6 1433.8 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1426.759 1427.796 1426.93 1427.45 Yeah . 1427.45 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1436.107 1438.381 1436.22 1438.32 You still have rubber d Or no . 1438.32 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1436.126 1444.019 1436.29 1443.89 Yeah . So we still uh we still have the primary colours . But only on the on the outside , not on the button . 1437.51 1440.9 1442.79 1443.89 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1438.184 1439.723 1438.29 1439.45 No you got a plastic . 1439.45 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1439.854 1440.489 1439.96 1440.32 Yeah . 1440.32 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1440.62 1441.056 1440.64 1440.87 Yeah . 1440.87 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1441.268 1441.752 1441.36 1441.63 Yeah . 1441.63 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1444.006 1446.447 1444.09 1446.37 The button has also colour . Yeah . 1446.0 1446.37 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1445.557 1447.33 1445.67 1447.25 Yeah ? Okay . 1446.62 1447.25 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1445.772 1448.816 1445.96 1448.816 Yeah . The one button we have . 1446.87 1448.5 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1447.551 1450.138 1447.551 1449.9 Yeah . The one . 1449.54 1449.9 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1448.199 1453.718 1448.35 1453.57 Yeah . Yeah still we we dropped also on the the double uh curve . 1449.51 1453.57 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1453.804 1457.333 1453.82 1457.29 Yeah you could check with the Excel sheet . 1457.29 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1454.014 1455.076 1454.23 1454.91 Mm mm . 1454.91 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1455.915 1458.457 1456.01 1458.22 Yeah . You only have one Yeah . 1456.74 1458.22 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1456.514 1465.778 1456.74 1465.57 Yeah we have single curve now , and no and no material . So maybe in the middle or something . 1459.03 1463.05 1465.57 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1458.892 1460.808 1459.01 1460.48 And and colour . 1460.48 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1461.672 1462.575 1461.83 1462.5 Yeah . S 1462.33 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1464.778 1465.916 1464.82 1465.88 Four . Yeah . 1465.6 1465.88 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1464.858 1465.862 1465.03 1465.63 Yeah . 1465.63 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1466.156 1466.99 1466.26 1466.84 Yeah . 1466.84 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1467.15 1468.655 1467.29 1468.59 Yeah , I mean it's 1467.66 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1468.671 1469.875 1468.77 1469.68 Yeah or three . 1469.68 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1469.805 1470.893 1469.805 1470.893 Uh - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1470.471 1471.675 1470.56 1471.59 worth the Yeah . 1471.59 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1471.213 1472.551 1471.5 1472.35 We have something . 1472.35 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1471.505 1487.692 1471.75 1487.55 Actually we d we didn't do so well on this one . Because it's basically an old one , uh with little curve on the side , and in a different colour . Still , it's still hard . I mean the sponge-like and the three D_ shape , that would give it something young and fresh . 1474.49 1476.23 1478.67 1480.81 1481.62 1482.71 1485.28 1487.55 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1481.909 1482.645 1482.07 1482.46 Yeah . 1482.46 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1486.803 1488.007 1486.99 1487.8 New . Yeah . 1487.5 1487.8 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1488.29 1492.27 1488.41 1492.16 Yeah . But then we would have to drop the screen . Oh red . 1489.54 1491.39 1492.16 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1490.435 1492.342 1490.67 1492.342 Red . 1492.14 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1493.005 1493.607 1493.22 1493.43 Yeah . 1493.43 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1493.559 1496.369 1493.8 1496.369 You like both . 1496.12 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1494.477 1497.454 1494.477 1497.28 Yeah . I like bold . 1496.41 1497.28 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1499.26 1502.604 1499.41 1502.604 Uh the remote control displays the corporate logo . 1502.34 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1502.683 1504.255 1502.8 1504.14 Um oh yeah . 1504.14 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1504.54 1506.572 1504.57 1506.572 Mm yeah yeah . 1506.26 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1504.835 1505.704 1504.89 1505.64 Of course . 1505.64 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1505.404 1510.556 1505.404 1510.26 I just couldn't Um , just one minute . 1509.55 1510.26 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1505.748 1513.333 1505.748 1513.333 Yeah . You just have to draw it . 1507.45 1513.16 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1510.296 1519.928 1510.52 1519.928 Yeah but it be because uh we couldn't hardly draw on the b s on the lower half of the screen , we could not make it big enough to actually draw in the 1516.73 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1510.847 1512.636 1510.95 1512.636 It's the white part uh - TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1518.803 1519.807 1518.803 1519.807 . 1519.807 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1519.643 1523.021 1519.75 1523.021 Yeah . We have a we have a 1521.78 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1520.034 1520.803 1520.22 1520.7 Yeah . 1520.7 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1521.6 1525.045 1521.77 1525.045 So I mean I wanted to put digits on the buttons as well . But 1524.59 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1522.093 1522.963 1522.2 1522.963 So - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1524.85 1530.402 1524.98 1530.29 But there's uh enough space for the corporate logo . I mean , if there's only one thing . 1527.39 1528.22 1530.29 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1528.456 1531.18 1528.53 1531.14 Hell yeah . If we have only one button . 1529.71 1531.14 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1531.171 1535.572 1531.28 1535.33 Yeah . So I will say that is very true . 1533.08 1535.33 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1535.806 1536.575 1535.806 1536.575 . 1536.575 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1536.638 1537.575 1536.79 1537.41 Mm-hmm . 1537.41 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1536.973 1545.635 1537.15 1545.635 And even the shape we have now uh simulates kind of an R_ and the reversed R_ , doesn't it ? So 1541.94 1544.66 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1542.313 1555.964 1542.313 1555.93 Yeah . The remote control is easy to use . Well I would say Skill , uh I would say six , or something . I don't think it's easy to use , or not so . 1544.62 1547.54 1550.6 1552.21 1553.64 1555.08 1555.93 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1549.324 1550.116 1549.34 1550.02 No . 1550.02 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1554.935 1560.86 1554.935 1560.82 The only e the only thing easy about it is that you don't have to move your fingers . 'Cause it has only one button . 1559.6 1560.82 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1556.028 1556.638 1556.16 1556.6 Ah i - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1559.548 1560.139 1559.57 1560.08 Yeah . 1560.08 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1559.87 1563.85 1560.07 1563.85 And that you only have to control one button . 1562.76 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1562.722 1567.464 1562.722 1567.29 Yeah . It it it has a nice screen . But Yeah . 1563.93 1565.86 1567.29 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1562.603 1563.941 1562.84 1563.68 Yeah exactly . 1563.68 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1567.395 1569.463 1567.54 1569.463 It gives visual feedback . So 1568.9 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1569.017 1571.708 1569.13 1571.67 Yeah . Well I I would say a five or a six . 1569.48 1571.67 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1572.001 1573.54 1572.001 1573.36 I would say six . 1573.36 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1572.211 1575.187 1572.43 1575.187 I think a five . Five . 1573.23 1574.95 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1574.067 1577.1 1574.21 1577.0 What do you say ? Easy to use ? Five or a six ? 1574.95 1575.7 1577.0 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1574.978 1578.757 1575.04 1578.757 It's really not easy to use . 'Cause you're putting everything 1577.27 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1577.242 1578.714 1577.46 1578.48 No not anymore . 1578.48 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1579.1 1580.455 1579.12 1580.28 So a six , more . 1579.87 1580.28 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1580.051 1580.72 1580.21 1580.51 Yeah . 1580.51 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1581.224 1584.535 1581.37 1584.535 Yeah , uh I would go for the six too . So 1581.54 1583.89 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1583.047 1584.585 1583.17 1584.14 Okay . Yeah . 1583.83 1584.14 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1586.588 1589.23 1586.73 1589.23 Most votes count . Um 1588.12 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1591.059 1598.228 1591.08 1598.228 Um well , another question , uh the remote control is durable . I don't know if that's the correct word . But uh 1593.17 1594.04 1596.14 1597.71 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1591.737 1593.375 1591.87 1593.23 Yeah that looks uh great . 1593.23 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1597.054 1598.125 1597.09 1598.125 Yeah . Nah 1597.74 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1597.491 1607.458 1597.62 1607.33 Definitely in casing , 'cause we have a hard plastic Yeah . Yeah because the the batteries , those thingies last forever . 1598.82 1603.3 1605.8 1607.33 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1598.684 1601.059 1598.7 1600.81 In use , both battery as casing ? 1599.4 1600.81 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1602.832 1603.601 1602.93 1603.25 Yeah ? 1603.25 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1607.648 1610.791 1607.73 1610.59 True , true . And the casing is plastic , ? 1608.15 1609.09 1610.59 1610.59 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1608.381 1612.495 1608.51 1612.25 And the the casing , hard plastic also lasts forever . 1610.52 1612.25 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1612.196 1612.898 1612.33 1612.72 Yep . 1612.72 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1612.269 1617.453 1612.5 1617.3 Yeah . If you don't drop it too much , it's uh should last pretty long . 1613.26 1615.51 1617.3 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1613.134 1613.836 1613.26 1613.65 Yeah . 1613.65 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1615.405 1618.06 1615.66 1618.01 So I would go for one . 1618.01 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1618.624 1624.276 1618.64 1624.15 Yeah ? But uh I think rubber compared is better . So I think a two is more appropriate 1619.03 1621.86 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1620.758 1622.314 1620.94 1621.97 Yeah . S 1621.86 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1623.534 1624.169 1623.63 1623.95 Yep . 1623.95 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1624.234 1625.472 1624.35 1625.33 Okay yeah . 1625.33 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1625.079 1625.681 1625.2 1625.681 than - TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1627.5 1628.684 1627.53 1628.684 Wow . 1628.23 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1630.396 1634.62 1630.55 1634.57 Yeah . Logo . Okay I will go go for two . 1631.15 1632.93 1634.57 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1631.634 1632.872 1631.634 1632.61 Yeah . 1632.61 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1636.285 1642.716 1636.285 1642.51 Uh the last one ? The remote control's a good example for company's motto , we put the fashion in electronics . 1638.01 1640.73 1642.51 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1640.443 1641.118 1640.443 1641.05 Oh . 1641.05 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1643.876 1644.913 1644.04 1644.84 No m - TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1644.475 1647.92 1644.71 1647.92 No we put the electronics into the fashion . 1647.14 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1645.948 1653.308 1645.948 1653.27 Yeah well yeah . 1653.27 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1646.604 1653.996 1646.604 1653.95 I would g I would go for four . 1653.95 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1646.719 1653.257 1646.719 1653.257 uh turn around . Yeah . But um 1652.02 1652.46 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1654.556 1655.081 1654.58 1654.98 Yeah ? 1654.98 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1654.486 1655.222 1654.66 1655.222 No - TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1655.109 1660.556 1655.23 1660.3 Because we kind of tried to but we kind of failed with the budget that we have . 1660.3 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1655.916 1656.652 1655.94 1656.652 It's not - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1658.609 1661.703 1658.609 1661.35 Yeah , true . 1661.03 1661.35 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1661.324 1662.028 1661.34 1661.93 Yeah okay . 1661.93 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1662.721 1674.728 1662.87 1674.728 So a four . It's it g it g goes , it's not the best we could do , I guess . But it all has to do with the budget , because it's it's not the bad idea we had , so 1664.42 1667.09 1669.33 1670.24 1671.8 1674.0 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1669.122 1669.892 1669.3 1669.76 Yeah . 1669.76 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1674.508 1676.352 1674.53 1676.14 Yeah . Yeah yeah . 1675.6 1676.14 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1675.718 1677.49 1675.92 1677.26 Yeah , four is okay . 1676.18 1677.26 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1676.236 1677.537 1676.39 1677.36 Alright , yeah . 1677.0 1677.36 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1678.842 1679.611 1679.0 1679.42 Right . 1679.42 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1679.675 1680.612 1679.78 1680.612 So - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1681.452 1686.636 1681.47 1686.44 So if I understood it right , we have to count these numbers . 1683.89 1686.44 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1681.803 1682.673 1681.89 1682.48 That's it . 1682.48 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1686.78 1689.82 1686.85 1689.78 Ooh . And Yeah ? What ? 1687.93 1689.54 1689.78 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1688.039 1688.842 1688.22 1688.842 Uh - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1689.836 1692.709 1689.86 1692.709 Yeah . Mm-hmm . Oh 1691.09 1692.18 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1693.836 1694.257 1693.86 1694.07 Yeah . 1694.07 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1694.247 1699.66 1694.44 1699.47 Oh Alright . Word document , the Yeah we have to count them . 1696.79 1697.49 1699.47 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1697.602 1698.605 1697.81 1698.605 Yeah . That 1698.08 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1699.835 1702.412 1699.91 1702.412 Count them . Add them ? Or 1701.26 1702.1 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1700.78 1701.471 1700.9 1701.471 Uh - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1702.174 1707.776 1702.36 1707.71 Yeah just add them and then uh divide them . Yeah . 1707.43 1707.71 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1705.32 1709.4 1705.36 1709.4 Could somebody start calculator ? 1709.14 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1709.644 1722.329 1709.7 1722.24 Mm . I all made it po I I all made it I all made it possible uh for a positive questions , so we can count it . I mean if you have reversed question , you have to reverse the scale , uh Yes . 1710.73 1716.35 1717.33 1718.85 1720.1 1722.24 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1710.641 1713.861 1710.82 1713.861 Ah we can do the math . Uh 1713.39 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1715.964 1716.49 1716.0 1716.29 Mm-hmm . 1716.29 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1718.363 1723.324 1718.48 1723.324 Yeah , yeah . You have to 'Kay . So four and 1718.65 1719.09 1721.81 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1721.252 1722.155 1721.46 1721.8 Yeah . 1721.8 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1723.66 1725.567 1723.84 1725.3 Did you make this questionnaire or what ? 1725.3 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1725.596 1726.142 1725.62 1725.97 Yeah . 1725.97 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1727.196 1729.228 1727.196 1729.228 Thanks . 1728.93 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1728.645 1730.184 1728.645 1729.93 Nice work . 1729.93 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1729.607 1730.443 1729.75 1730.21 Okay . 1730.21 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1729.881 1730.717 1730.13 1730.53 Oh . 1730.53 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1731.276 1732.204 1731.3 1732.17 Three plus ? 1732.17 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1732.323 1734.396 1732.44 1734.35 I wouldn't be able to do it that fast . 1734.35 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1732.926 1734.13 1733.21 1733.65 O one . 1733.65 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1734.323 1735.159 1734.34 1734.91 Plus one . 1734.91 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1735.1 1736.103 1735.23 1735.99 Plus five . 1735.99 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1736.397 1737.601 1736.56 1737.38 Plus five ? 1737.38 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1737.596 1742.22 1737.596 1742.19 Oh Easy . Question number four , yeah ? 1741.15 1741.98 1742.19 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1737.976 1739.238 1738.13 1739.238 Bo - TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1742.96 1744.498 1743.12 1744.45 Uh two . 1744.45 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1743.86 1744.642 1743.96 1744.642 Yeah . 1744.45 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1745.906 1746.441 1746.15 1746.4 F - TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1746.271 1747.04 1746.3 1746.85 Four . 1746.85 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1746.296 1750.176 1746.46 1749.74 Oh . Wait a second . Oh . It's it's gone wrong . 1747.29 1748.17 1748.76 1749.74 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1749.311 1751.02 1749.311 1750.76 How hard is it ? 1750.76 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1751.085 1752.523 1751.16 1752.45 Okay . It's your turn . 1751.68 1752.45 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1752.121 1757.639 1752.121 1757.5 Yeah just use Oh there tho uh there's no n There's no num pads . 1757.5 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1752.094 1753.766 1752.22 1753.52 Pretty difficult . 1753.52 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1753.404 1754.494 1753.42 1754.44 Start over ? 1754.44 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1753.393 1757.306 1753.5 1757.08 No it's if you press twice on the plus button , then you get s s 1755.83 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1756.835 1758.742 1757.02 1758.742 You can Oh yeah . 1758.47 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1757.306 1760.343 1757.43 1760.343 No . That's why it's uh 1757.95 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1759.98 1762.647 1759.98 1762.647 It's a it's a bit uh - TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1761.308 1766.201 1761.52 1765.94 Just type in the digits . They're all one digit numbers right ? And then you can count them together . 1762.86 1764.63 1765.94 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1765.932 1773.937 1765.95 1773.71 Yeah . I think you can just count them by a Um let's move over . Three , plus one , four . Nine . 1766.84 1770.82 1771.15 1772.44 1773.0 1773.71 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1767.239 1769.748 1767.47 1769.19 Just count it to Yeah . 1769.19 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1770.247 1774.36 1770.4 1774.17 Okay . Three , four , nine . 1771.63 1772.02 1773.61 1774.17 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1777.148 1777.973 1777.17 1777.973 Uh - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1777.214 1781.495 1777.39 1780.9 Uh , yeah . Are you here ? Eleven . Fifteen . 1778.0 1778.18 1778.81 1780.17 1780.9 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1778.877 1781.218 1778.95 1780.83 Eleven . Fifteen . 1780.14 1780.83 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1779.449 1781.79 1779.55 1781.6 Eleven , fifteen . 1780.84 1781.6 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1783.799 1785.003 1783.95 1784.79 Sixteen . 1784.79 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1784.127 1785.365 1784.33 1785.04 Sixteen . 1785.04 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1784.677 1785.982 1784.7 1785.63 Sixteen , yeah . 1785.34 1785.63 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1787.229 1788.7 1787.41 1788.26 Seventeen . 1788.26 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1788.546 1789.616 1788.58 1789.46 Seventeen . 1789.46 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1788.39 1793.005 1788.73 1792.8 No sixteen . Uh sixteen plus six . Twenty two . 1789.97 1792.14 1792.8 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1790.641 1791.577 1790.7 1791.42 Oh what ? 1791.42 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1791.358 1793.898 1791.46 1793.898 Twenty two . 1793.77 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1792.058 1794.332 1792.09 1794.332 S Uh - TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1792.112 1798.332 1792.112 1798.22 How hard is this ? Never mind . Twenty four . Twenty eight . 1795.44 1796.26 1797.56 1798.22 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1794.284 1796.416 1794.3 1796.2 Twenty two , yeah ? Tw 1794.88 1796.07 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1795.405 1797.516 1795.62 1797.48 Twenty four . Twenty six . 1796.78 1797.48 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1798.749 1802.233 1798.93 1802.08 Oh , sorry . . Oh my . 1799.09 1801.46 1801.46 1802.08 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1798.604 1801.567 1798.96 1801.4 Twenty Twenty eight . 1801.4 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1801.522 1807.007 1801.73 1806.79 That was the last one . That was that . Yeah . So divided by nine . 1802.57 1803.53 1804.73 1806.79 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1802.714 1803.55 1802.85 1803.47 Twenty eight . 1803.47 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1803.532 1804.636 1803.72 1804.56 Okay . Twenty eight . 1804.0 1804.56 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1804.711 1806.049 1804.95 1805.77 Twen Uh okay . 1805.77 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1806.687 1812.473 1806.87 1812.2 By nine . That's uh three uh Or le less than a three . 1808.29 1812.2 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1808.006 1808.575 1808.03 1808.52 Hmm . 1808.52 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1810.476 1811.561 1810.83 1811.561 So - TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1810.767 1813.944 1811.12 1813.81 Yeah the lower the The lower the score the better , right ? 1813.36 1813.81 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1813.902 1814.671 1814.0 1814.62 Yeah . 1814.62 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1814.078 1816.72 1814.26 1816.56 Yeah . Twenty eight 1815.22 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1815.616 1816.586 1815.81 1816.586 Yeah but - TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1817.247 1818.618 1817.4 1818.55 Divided by nine . 1818.55 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1817.623 1825.235 1817.74 1825.08 di divided by nine makes three point one one one one one one one . 1825.08 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1819.82 1822.33 1819.84 1821.96 So thr t two . 1821.96 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1824.27 1825.976 1824.38 1825.87 So we're better than average . 1825.87 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1825.315 1826.017 1825.46 1826.017 But - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1826.018 1826.821 1826.14 1826.821 Yeah . 1826.65 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1826.722 1846.688 1826.82 1846.688 I Are you sure we this number actually tells us somethings ? I don't think so because some questions are related to positive issues and some to negative . So if you give a true to a positive , it actually means that the low the lower the better . But if you give true to a negative question 1831.07 1838.85 1840.76 1844.36 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1829.855 1832.2 1829.96 1832.2 No . 1831.51 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1833.193 1836.036 1833.29 1835.61 Some questions are Yeah . 1835.61 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1846.332 1868.951 1846.36 1868.75 Yeah , but there are no negative questions I guess . Good example . Durable use . Easy to use . This is good . Fancy look and feel , that's good . Technology innovation was good , because of a marketing uh requirement . Re relevant most used function . And hides these functions . That was also a good thing . 1846.72 1849.14 1850.64 1852.27 1853.7 1855.57 1856.52 1858.41 1859.72 1861.84 1864.12 1867.55 1868.75 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1848.394 1849.096 1848.56 1848.81 No ? 1848.81 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1850.565 1854.338 1850.82 1854.338 Durable , that's good . Easy to use . 1851.39 1853.18 1854.12 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1857.116 1860.197 1857.26 1860.03 Yeah . . Also good . 1859.41 1859.41 1860.03 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1861.836 1862.939 1862.03 1862.54 Yeah okay . 1862.54 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1863.508 1865.28 1863.66 1864.76 I guess you did do it . 1864.76 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1869.068 1869.887 1869.13 1869.8 Oh yeah . Yeah . 1869.6 1869.8 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1869.526 1870.933 1869.75 1870.933 Oh yeah yeah . No 1870.42 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1869.837 1877.052 1870.0 1877.052 And then matches the opera of the user was also a good thing . So it were all positive questions , by uh by purpose . So 1873.36 1875.77 1876.8 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1872.482 1872.966 1872.62 1872.83 Yeah . 1872.83 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1873.073 1874.444 1873.18 1874.22 Okay . Okay . 1873.84 1874.22 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1875.08 1876.217 1875.19 1876.1 Yeah true . 1876.1 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1878.031 1887.995 1878.09 1887.81 Yes , so the It tells us something , yes . Becau But the picture would be a lot different if we didn't have to drop those uh those things , I guess . 1878.57 1881.03 1881.39 1887.28 1887.81 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1881.836 1882.767 1881.97 1882.7 Oh great . 1882.7 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1885.952 1887.457 1886.03 1887.15 Things , yeah . 1886.86 1887.15 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1886.724 1892.744 1887.05 1892.46 Yeah definitely definitely . Because now it's just an average It's remote . 1888.98 1892.46 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1888.728 1889.598 1888.82 1889.46 Okay . 1889.46 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1891.576 1894.587 1891.63 1894.587 Yeah . Nah it it's it's better than average , but 1892.3 1894.16 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1894.516 1903.479 1894.7 1903.4 Yeah okay because of the L_C_D_ screen . But uh it looks and stuff , it still uh it's not , it's not really eye-catching , except for the colour . 1896.38 1898.54 1900.76 1902.21 1903.4 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1896.297 1897.833 1896.39 1897.63 Yeah . So th 1897.05 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1897.328 1899.435 1897.57 1899.21 It's still yeah . 1899.21 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1899.24 1900.204 1899.41 1900.16 Yeah . 1900.16 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1900.071 1901.843 1900.2 1901.79 Has some shortcomings . 1901.79 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1902.384 1905.06 1902.52 1904.82 No . The colour and the screen . 1903.91 1904.82 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1904.988 1905.612 1905.03 1905.41 Yeah . 1905.41 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1908.031 1927.324 1908.16 1927.324 Okay so Um this we had , this we had . We have to do a product evaluation . Uh prototype presentation we dropped . So Uh the finance we looked . We have redesigned . Uh not on that , but 1912.87 1914.44 1917.58 1919.62 1923.1 1924.71 1926.75 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1913.977 1915.716 1914.12 1915.39 Product evaluation . 1915.39 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1927.306 1932.567 1927.42 1932.567 Yeah we we have to maybe if we have to redesign it on this - TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1929.128 1933.135 1929.128 1933.135 Okay it's your turn now . 1932.85 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1929.482 1936.941 1929.482 1936.941 So you can just make one big L_C_D_ screen . 1936.7 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1930.365 1931.535 1930.39 1931.12 Shall we try ? 1931.12 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1935.399 1939.112 1935.399 1939.02 With some casing around it , yeah . 1938.41 1939.02 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1936.103 1937.603 1936.33 1937.52 Black . 1937.52 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1938.903 1945.258 1938.93 1944.86 Okay uh we're still gonna go for the fancy colours ? But are we gonna stick with the green or are we gonna do blue ? 1942.45 1944.86 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1941.924 1943.027 1941.98 1943.027 Yeah uh - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1942.189 1942.958 1942.3 1942.64 Yeah . 1942.64 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1942.303 1942.862 1942.39 1942.73 Yeah . 1942.73 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1944.334 1956.273 1944.5 1956.273 Yeah we we can just uh use this one . And then uh over-paint it with uh uh the green uh he only needs one button . Yeah . Or we have to delete this one or 1946.55 1953.82 1954.23 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1948.312 1952.258 1948.49 1952.05 The the button has a special colour , the frame has a special colour . 1950.19 1952.05 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1949.145 1949.781 1949.23 1949.6 Yeah . 1949.6 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1952.716 1954.723 1952.85 1954.723 One scroll button and - TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1953.205 1956.3 1953.4 1956.26 It's plastic . And single curved . 1955.4 1956.26 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1956.374 1957.043 1956.41 1956.76 Yeah . 1956.76 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1957.185 1962.804 1957.31 1962.66 Oh and you might want to add a uh infrared LED . 1962.66 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1963.532 1966.079 1963.532 1966.079 Oh oh no . 1965.9 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1963.665 1964.535 1963.88 1964.38 Oh yeah . 1964.38 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1964.636 1967.887 1964.636 1967.75 Otherwise it uh doesn't function uh so well . 1967.75 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1965.353 1966.333 1965.44 1966.13 For what ? 1966.13 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1967.16 1967.868 1967.18 1967.72 Okay . 1967.72 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1968.076 1968.764 1968.16 1968.25 Yeah . 1968.25 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1969.919 1971.123 1969.94 1971.123 So that's - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1970.388 1972.461 1970.388 1972.22 Do we have to do other things ? 1972.22 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1972.636 1988.38 1972.8 1988.38 Well I have to um um make an uh report of every decision we made so far . And I try to get chip just before uh I uh receive the Excel sheet . So I 1982.26 1987.41 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1972.796 1974.501 1972.89 1974.46 Or just redesign ? 1974.46 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1981.244 1982.284 1981.29 1982.2 Alright . 1982.2 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1986.529 1989.84 1986.67 1989.57 Yeah . So you made a start , right ? 1988.08 1989.24 1989.57 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1989.358 1992.368 1989.5 1992.15 Yeah I'm I'm somewhere , but maybe you can help me . 1991.11 1992.15 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1991.154 1992.86 1991.34 1992.65 Should give it some time ? 1992.65 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1992.315 1993.251 1992.43 1992.97 Yeah . 1992.97 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1993.395 1994.432 1993.54 1994.29 Yay . 1994.29 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1994.743 1995.545 1994.86 1995.545 Uh - TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 1994.694 2000.393 1994.98 2000.29 Okay , but how do we make the the scroll uh button ? It's just one yeah . 1995.35 1997.94 2000.29 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 1996.956 1998.252 1997.03 1998.252 I was here . So 1997.68 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 1998.88 2000.686 1998.91 2000.54 Have to take this away also . 2000.54 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 1999.037 1999.873 1999.15 1999.67 Alright . 1999.67 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2000.949 2001.986 2001.23 2001.986 Ah - TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2002.325 2004.012 2002.35 2004.012 And this um - TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2003.366 2007.112 2003.42 2007.112 Uh that's the infrared uh thing . 2007.04 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2005.727 2021.814 2005.89 2021.74 Oh yeah , of course . Um pen yeah ? Format . Current colour red . Oh Yeah we did our special colour for the Line widths , now that's a ten . 2006.31 2007.48 2009.95 2012.31 2014.91 2019.81 2021.74 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2005.765 2016.703 2006.03 2016.43 The the target group has a weak spot for fruit and vegetables , like primary colours , spongy shape . The playfulness , we decided to use kinetic energy as a power sour 2009.03 2010.84 2012.68 2013.78 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2007.112 2007.681 2007.19 2007.58 Yeah . 2007.58 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2017.154 2017.75 2017.28 2017.53 Yeah . 2017.53 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2017.773 2018.543 2017.88 2018.32 Okay . 2018.32 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2019.245 2020.717 2019.28 2020.61 That's conceptual , yes . 2020.2 2020.61 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2023.093 2027.663 2023.22 2027.663 That's enough to get started with , so 2026.84 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2024.04 2029.425 2024.39 2029.34 Yeah . Um , uh it's just a scroll Yeah , is it's horizontal or vertical ? 2024.62 2025.0 2027.12 2029.34 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2025.064 2025.7 2025.17 2025.57 Mm . 2025.57 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2025.626 2027.834 2025.79 2027.52 It's gonna be one str scroll . 2027.52 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2026.652 2028.342 2026.77 2028.342 How many pages ? 2028.13 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2028.311 2032.424 2028.45 2032.24 Uh , I just took one for every step and then a conclusion . 2028.78 2032.24 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2030.521 2033.23 2030.58 2033.1 Alright . Y you have you have done the first two . 2031.14 2033.1 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2030.868 2031.464 2030.95 2031.464 I think - TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2031.635 2034.511 2031.75 2034.511 Horizontal's easier too , 'cause you can 2033.73 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2033.127 2033.82 2033.26 2033.59 Yeah . 2033.59 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2033.899 2035.605 2033.94 2035.605 Okay , and and the look and feel is 2034.2 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2034.542 2035.177 2034.73 2035.02 Yeah . 2035.02 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2035.213 2037.387 2035.44 2037.28 Is it more natural than this ? 2037.28 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2036.003 2041.308 2036.11 2040.93 Well I think I have to make a p an issue called finance . 2040.93 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2036.868 2037.781 2037.0 2037.69 Yeah , yeah . 2037.42 2037.69 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2039.026 2041.233 2039.12 2041.16 So let's say Whoops . 'Kay . 2040.51 2041.16 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2042.695 2043.498 2042.89 2043.23 Yeah . 2043.23 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2043.725 2047.164 2043.93 2047.164 Yes . It doesn't look like uh 2045.49 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2044.511 2047.789 2044.62 2047.789 Basically . 2047.64 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2046.106 2048.347 2046.18 2048.347 The items we had to drop . 2048.2 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2047.675 2048.277 2047.83 2048.14 Yeah . 2048.14 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2048.174 2050.476 2048.33 2050.44 Uh it it's it's not Yeah . 2050.44 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2052.622 2056.06 2052.67 2056.03 It's not very fashionable anymore . But uh it's okay . 2054.77 2056.03 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2056.15 2057.755 2056.25 2057.51 It's really ugly . 2057.51 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2057.371 2058.274 2057.45 2058.11 Yeah . 2058.11 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2057.521 2060.779 2057.65 2060.69 Where did we start with price ? Twenty six and a half . 2059.48 2060.69 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2059.545 2061.618 2059.58 2061.618 Maybe m make it bigger ? Or 2060.89 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2061.192 2062.563 2061.39 2062.563 Mm-hmm . 2062.4 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2061.267 2062.136 2061.46 2061.86 Or not ? 2061.86 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2063.976 2067.692 2064.12 2067.61 Or twenty six ? Something like that . 2064.94 2067.61 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2069.735 2070.337 2069.8 2070.14 Yeah . 2070.14 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2071.441 2074.06 2071.64 2074.06 That looks little bit more uh - TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2075.354 2082.508 2075.4 2082.508 Maybe that's a s a special colour for it . So we can make it uh special ? 2077.95 2082.4 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2075.218 2076.355 2075.48 2076.355 Oh - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2077.688 2078.357 2077.81 2077.98 This ? 2077.98 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2081.606 2082.7 2081.95 2082.54 What do you mean ? 2082.54 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2083.579 2085.519 2083.82 2085.41 Like a other colour than this one ? 2085.41 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2084.986 2087.708 2084.986 2087.708 Or or speckles in it ? I dunno . Uh 2086.76 2087.37 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2089.232 2090.503 2089.3 2090.24 Speckles ? 2090.24 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2090.991 2094.94 2091.12 2094.89 Yeah can we do it uh uh can we do a print ? 2094.89 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2095.584 2096.688 2095.63 2096.44 I'm not sure . 2096.44 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2096.61 2098.382 2096.76 2098.24 I think we have to choose , yeah ? 2097.87 2098.24 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2062.563 2096.949 2097.2 2097.33 ... . 2097.33 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2096.949 2099.914 2097.2 2099.914 I don't think so , if you see the options . But 2098.38 2099.52 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2098.462 2099.299 2098.66 2099.299 Uh - TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2102.668 2105.506 2102.85 2105.3 Okay special colour . We do have special colour . 2104.08 2105.3 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2106.643 2108.215 2106.68 2108.215 Does it mean uh that - TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2106.755 2109.756 2106.96 2109.756 Yeah red is already a special colour , I think . So 2109.02 2109.36 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2111.671 2114.012 2111.671 2114.012 It's not very special , but uh 2113.25 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2112.013 2113.852 2112.16 2113.852 Yeah . 2113.69 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2113.439 2116.14 2113.59 2116.1 Shall we just give it some dots to make it look pretty ? 2116.1 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2116.119 2116.788 2116.28 2116.55 Yeah . 2116.55 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2117.285 2118.489 2117.41 2118.42 Purdy . 2118.42 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2117.542 2122.812 2117.61 2122.77 Just uh put the purple uh purple on it . That's trendy . 2122.06 2122.77 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2117.464 2119.372 2117.65 2119.29 Yeah . Some some big dots . 2117.99 2119.29 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2120.044 2120.997 2120.16 2120.62 Purple ? 2120.62 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2123.15 2123.919 2123.28 2123.61 Yeah . 2123.61 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2123.676 2124.892 2123.7 2124.76 Yeah yeah . 2124.76 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2128.723 2130.997 2128.77 2130.73 Oh no my remote has acne . 2130.73 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2123.919 2128.802 2128.98 2129.06 ... . 2129.06 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2128.802 2131.979 2128.98 2131.75 We have the original balance sheet , or Yeah . 2130.34 2131.75 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2130.7 2132.005 2130.91 2132.005 Yeah . 2131.77 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2132.358 2133.094 2132.47 2132.85 Woah . 2132.85 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2132.469 2136.46 2132.72 2136.26 No . That's why we have that button . 2134.83 2136.26 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2142.492 2145.116 2142.492 2145.08 Oh yeah . 2145.08 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2146.199 2147.804 2146.36 2147.77 It's so cute . 2147.77 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2148.022 2148.591 2148.12 2148.4 Hmm . 2148.4 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2149.293 2150.263 2149.39 2149.99 Oh what ? 2149.99 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2150.668 2151.264 2150.71 2150.91 Doh . 2150.91 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2151.449 2154.526 2151.63 2154.31 Woah . Just cut . 2153.66 2154.31 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2152.203 2153.44 2152.203 2153.44 ? 2153.44 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2157.001 2158.038 2157.11 2157.86 Control Z_ . 2157.86 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2162.136 2163.474 2162.27 2163.474 Oh no . 2163.29 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2163.958 2165.372 2164.27 2165.19 Is that that ? 2165.19 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2165.388 2169.408 2165.388 2169.12 Yeah . Yeah . 2168.8 2169.12 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2166.852 2168.892 2166.99 2168.56 No no . Yeah . 2168.23 2168.56 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2169.783 2172.559 2169.94 2172.45 How the We did we do that ? 2172.45 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2170.757 2173.064 2170.94 2173.064 Oh it's it's just one computer ? Or 2172.62 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2172.318 2174.057 2172.4 2173.76 Just dual screen . 2173.76 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2174.402 2175.104 2174.6 2174.88 No . 2174.88 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2176.977 2179.772 2177.08 2179.772 But can we delete it , just with delete ? Or 2178.79 2179.52 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2180.117 2181.422 2180.26 2181.24 We can try . 2181.24 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2182.826 2187.141 2183.01 2187.141 That doesn't respond also to the undo . It looks like it's 2185.88 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2187.412 2190.456 2187.57 2190.06 Crashed . Oh , no . 2189.46 2189.77 2190.06 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2189.181 2190.652 2189.39 2190.652 No , 2190.53 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2190.095 2192.408 2190.095 2192.09 Very nice . 2192.09 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2191.334 2191.744 2191.36 2191.71 Okay . 2191.71 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2191.98 2194.3 2191.98 2193.78 Where do you want some more dots ? 2193.78 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2194.134 2196.684 2194.23 2196.63 Yeah , over here . Hmm ? 2194.47 2196.49 2196.63 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2196.53 2202.13 2196.64 2202.13 You can't even draw anymore . Even children can draw . 2199.49 2201.78 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2198.462 2203.288 2198.462 2203.288 Yeah . Y y you you you push the button or something . Or 2199.53 2202.95 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2199.384 2200.502 2199.49 2200.0 What's this ? 2200.0 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2203.87 2207.307 2203.91 2207.307 Can you just push pen and then keep on - TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2204.704 2205.607 2204.8 2205.53 Oh yeah . 2205.53 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2206.51 2209.772 2206.65 2209.772 Oh that's the select button . It's uh 2209.08 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2209.255 2209.663 2209.32 2209.58 Hmm . 2209.58 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2218.924 2221.82 2219.01 2221.79 Okay , it's not the prettiest , I know . 2219.33 2220.82 2221.79 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2222.349 2223.486 2222.57 2223.486 No , it looks 2222.98 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2222.871 2224.572 2222.97 2224.49 It's not so random huh ? 2224.49 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2223.081 2224.199 2223.13 2224.1 Lot of options . 2224.1 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2224.356 2225.293 2224.52 2225.24 It's okay . 2225.24 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2227.734 2231.647 2227.9 2231.647 Specially the the R_ . 2231.48 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2229.789 2234.124 2229.9 2233.96 Yeah , the R_ and another R_ . It's called the Real Remote , right ? 2230.07 2232.42 2233.68 2233.96 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2231.667 2232.804 2231.85 2232.57 Yeah okay . 2232.57 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2234.298 2234.933 2234.41 2234.72 Yeah . 2234.72 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2235.374 2238.718 2235.51 2238.6 Maybe maybe it c it can say that . The Real Remote . 2237.44 2238.6 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2239.348 2242.759 2239.46 2242.55 Yeah just on the the m um the L_C_D_ display . 2242.55 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2242.464 2246.244 2242.464 2246.244 Yeah . Welcome . 2245.0 2246.07 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2246.069 2248.109 2246.2 2248.03 We can make a l a logo . 2248.03 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2246.438 2249.388 2246.58 2249.388 This is your Real Remote . 2249.05 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2247.615 2250.725 2247.615 2250.55 Yeah . Yeah . 2250.15 2250.55 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2250.115 2254.363 2250.16 2254.16 Like uh put it like the shape . 2254.16 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2251.221 2251.89 2251.35 2251.7 Yeah . 2251.7 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2256.836 2260.849 2257.01 2260.74 D designed by Okay . 2260.74 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2259.146 2261.516 2259.18 2261.516 Something like that . I mean it's not too uh 2259.99 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2265.921 2267.794 2266.21 2267.67 That's not their logo , is it ? 2267.06 2267.67 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2268.341 2268.976 2268.49 2268.82 No . 2268.82 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2270.047 2273.224 2270.22 2273.12 Do they have a lo Oh , the here . This i this is the logo . 2271.12 2271.89 2273.12 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2272.945 2274.349 2273.2 2274.349 Yeah . It's a 2273.95 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2273.903 2275.843 2274.04 2275.843 Two R_s and a one - TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2275.273 2280.476 2275.4 2280.38 Yeah . You can just reuse that , because the name is the same . Initials . 2275.86 2277.42 2279.62 2280.38 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2279.196 2279.643 2279.196 2279.643 . 2279.643 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2279.158 2281.644 2279.28 2281.52 You can copy and paste the picture if you want . 2281.52 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2282.61 2286.423 2282.83 2286.25 How Shall we do the logo in black or not ? 2286.25 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2286.236 2286.924 2286.26 2286.89 Mm . 2286.89 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2286.612 2287.481 2286.8 2287.26 Yeah . 2287.26 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2287.234 2288.037 2287.39 2287.73 Yeah . 2287.73 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2292.524 2297.267 2292.524 2297.22 What is that ? Look more Looks more like a campfire . 2295.08 2297.22 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2298.908 2303.231 2298.908 2303.07 Are you dissing my drawing ? This one ? 2302.56 2303.07 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2303.154 2304.854 2303.49 2304.854 Yeah . 2304.74 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2305.052 2306.743 2305.28 2306.743 It looks like a ribbon . 2306.63 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2306.598 2307.936 2306.598 2307.73 Yeah . 2307.73 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2308.724 2309.527 2308.88 2309.35 Okay . 2309.35 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2316.071 2320.188 2316.15 2320.11 So who wants to draw ? This is actually quite fun . Do we need to do anything ? 2317.61 2318.88 2320.11 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2323.295 2325.336 2323.55 2325.19 I hear you people are typing . 2325.19 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2323.741 2326.35 2323.92 2326.35 Are we uh ready ? Uh Or 2324.64 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2327.774 2329.078 2327.79 2328.79 Type in your report . 2328.79 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2329.42 2330.508 2329.5 2330.31 Oh , okay . 2329.71 2330.31 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2331.888 2334.697 2332.08 2334.697 I don't see any new messages . So 2334.08 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2334.359 2342.332 2334.359 2342.29 Luckily . Yeah , it's uh Yeah . 2339.4 2339.77 2342.29 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2335.462 2337.469 2335.66 2337.17 Hmm ? Luckily , yeah . 2336.4 2336.9 2337.17 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2336.952 2339.46 2337.41 2339.46 Is this uh the last assignment ? Or 2338.95 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2341.367 2342.27 2341.39 2342.27 Final - TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2342.332 2343.836 2342.59 2343.44 It's almost four . 2343.44 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2344.894 2348.252 2345.04 2348.252 What time do we have to deliver the report ? Four o'clock or 2347.35 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2347.26 2349.688 2347.26 2349.54 At four , yeah , ? 2348.85 2349.54 2349.54 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2349.175 2350.546 2349.32 2350.44 Or before that ? 2350.44 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2355.168 2359.578 2355.49 2359.52 Okay . And copy this . Just a minute . 2356.47 2358.71 2359.52 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2356.198 2357.87 2356.22 2357.87 Just compare uh - TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2359.989 2361.896 2360.29 2361.71 This is really bizarre . 2361.71 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2362.693 2363.396 2362.8 2363.396 It's - TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2362.98 2367.128 2363.15 2367.06 It looks like there's a It looks like a butterfly . 2367.06 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2365.419 2367.292 2365.63 2367.18 Um bug . Bug . 2366.82 2367.18 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2367.376 2368.914 2367.48 2368.914 It's somewhere - TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2369.917 2374.566 2370.01 2374.38 I d It isn't inside . Yeah , and don't know how it's or eject it . 2372.2 2372.37 2374.38 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2369.9 2372.141 2370.04 2372.141 No it's in inside the - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2372.959 2375.333 2373.2 2375.07 No it's on the on the beamer I guess . 2375.07 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2375.151 2379.002 2375.33 2379.002 No it Oh . 2378.82 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2375.957 2382.044 2376.19 2381.72 No , but it i It's not a bu a beamer . B It's a normal T_V_ screen , kind of thing . 2376.31 2378.51 2380.93 2381.72 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2376.277 2377.481 2376.48 2377.31 From up there ? 2377.31 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2378.384 2379.12 2378.49 2378.78 No . 2378.78 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2381.482 2384.476 2381.68 2384.476 Hey , you've got it uh read only . So you have to uh 2382.11 2383.51 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2381.695 2383.367 2381.78 2383.21 Yeah it's somewhere in here . 2383.21 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2385.336 2386.478 2385.36 2386.33 Save copy . 2386.33 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2387.574 2388.745 2387.67 2388.61 Yeah . Strange . 2388.09 2388.61 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2389.699 2394.582 2389.78 2394.34 This something what's projection from behind , I guess . 2393.82 2394.34 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2391.193 2393.3 2391.74 2393.3 Yeah . 2392.98 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2392.115 2392.823 2392.115 2392.823 . 2392.823 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2395.876 2397.804 2395.876 2397.804 . 2397.804 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2395.863 2398.236 2396.04 2398.236 It's too uh - TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2399.42 2400.076 2399.6 2399.99 Oh . 2399.99 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2401.313 2403.822 2401.46 2403.47 Yeah there is some kind of projection I think . 2403.47 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2403.231 2404.101 2403.25 2403.97 Yes . 2403.97 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2403.177 2412.542 2403.4 2412.49 Yeah it it's a beamer , but then with a within a mirror , yeah . So it looks like a big screen , but in fact it isn't . 2405.49 2407.79 2409.67 2411.02 2412.49 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2405.962 2408.428 2406.04 2408.37 With a with a mirror , huh ? Or something . Yeah . 2407.35 2407.52 2408.17 2408.37 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2408.616 2410.924 2408.616 2410.924 . 2410.924 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2412.844 2417.233 2413.17 2417.233 So are we gonna change anything to this ? I mean is it gonna 2415.89 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2413.646 2414.279 2413.8 2414.279 It is - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2416.393 2418.868 2416.57 2418.49 Well it's it's single single curved . 2418.49 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2416.944 2418.892 2417.12 2418.892 Well - TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2417.975 2419.82 2418.05 2419.82 It's now single curved . So 2419.37 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2420.473 2423.061 2420.66 2422.88 Th this is flat . Yeah . 2422.4 2422.88 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2420.877 2423.318 2420.91 2422.93 This is gonna be flat . Yeah exactly . 2422.14 2422.93 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2421.086 2423.059 2421.23 2422.93 It's flat . Oh no . 2422.2 2422.93 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2425.133 2427.307 2425.31 2427.307 Okay . It doesn't matter . It's it's 2425.67 2426.37 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2426.36 2430.607 2426.55 2430.41 But it's it's better to have in the front , this kind of shape , because it looks nice . 2428.45 2429.3 2430.41 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2434.654 2437.095 2434.79 2436.84 I mean you see more of this than of that . 2436.84 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2438.034 2439.071 2438.23 2438.81 Yeah . 2438.81 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2442.894 2444.399 2443.03 2444.14 Yeah , more like that . 2443.26 2444.14 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2444.764 2446.188 2444.94 2446.02 Yeah . 2446.02 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2447.583 2449.456 2447.75 2449.456 And this is also gonna be - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2457.5 2460.118 2457.52 2460.118 It's not very uh ideal . 2459.82 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2460.524 2461.244 2460.55 2460.91 Nope . 2460.91 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2462.192 2463.396 2462.42 2463.18 Do like this . 2463.18 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2462.801 2465.844 2462.94 2465.58 But sometimes then uh all of a sudden it does work . 2465.58 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2465.791 2466.494 2465.94 2466.37 Yeah . 2466.37 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2469.036 2470.106 2469.27 2469.93 What's this ? 2469.93 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2470.851 2473.5 2470.851 2473.5 That's the detector uh for the - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2473.852 2474.42 2473.99 2474.36 Ooh . 2474.36 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2474.492 2477.606 2474.492 2477.606 Okay . 2477.17 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2477.621 2478.959 2477.621 2478.959 Maybe - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2478.2 2480.24 2478.3 2480.14 But I don't see a detector over there . 2480.14 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2479.98 2481.352 2480.06 2481.11 Yeah . I don't know . 2480.45 2481.11 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2480.33 2484.11 2480.33 2483.89 No it's I think you only need two points . Or not . 2483.38 2483.89 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2485.782 2486.685 2485.92 2486.39 No , you sh 2486.08 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2485.925 2491.228 2486.07 2491.19 I thought it was a kind of thing to put it on , and then draw right lines or something . 2488.89 2491.19 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2489.685 2492.764 2489.99 2492.764 Maybe that's why it's it's not working , because it's more 2491.72 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2493.162 2497.075 2493.25 2496.29 Slanted yeah . Yeah . 2495.95 2496.29 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2494.133 2494.735 2494.34 2494.55 Yeah . 2494.55 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2495.288 2499.837 2495.49 2499.837 Yeah . Or just messed it up . 2496.48 2499.78 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2499.751 2501.132 2500.0 2501.0 Well maybe . 2501.0 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2501.708 2503.632 2501.73 2503.55 Oh . Oh yeah . 2502.96 2503.55 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2502.124 2507.292 2502.124 2507.292 Yeah . 2506.76 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2503.372 2506.741 2503.52 2506.54 Yeah it it matters for the aim of this thing . 2506.54 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2505.625 2506.184 2505.72 2506.15 Yeah . 2506.15 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2508.466 2510.807 2508.57 2510.807 Yeah but it wasn't good . 2510.54 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2514.476 2515.724 2514.5 2515.69 You've to make it s uh - TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2517.115 2518.586 2517.31 2518.45 ninety degrees . 2518.45 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2518.581 2528.547 2518.73 2528.35 Yeah it it has to touch the corners , I guess . But th this one wasn't good , because if I was drawing here , I drew a line and then it came over here . 2521.03 2521.76 2523.35 2525.53 2528.35 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2526.709 2541.488 2526.709 2541.45 Um now you probably have to recalibrate . Oh , five minutes to the end of the meeting . And the recalibration is done using this icon here . 2533.75 2533.93 2536.55 2541.45 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2532.031 2533.82 2532.14 2533.82 You have - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2535.404 2536.206 2535.62 2535.99 Oh . 2535.99 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2535.844 2537.316 2535.99 2537.08 Oh we're always long . 2537.08 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2541.798 2544.344 2541.86 2544.23 Yeah , can we t can we get to that i 2542.2 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2541.825 2542.728 2541.94 2542.48 Ooh . 2542.48 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2545.142 2547.772 2545.38 2547.772 Oh it's not working anymore . 2547.6 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2547.817 2552.432 2547.817 2552.19 Yeah yeah , it's it's okay . It's working again . 2549.99 2551.36 2552.19 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2547.716 2550.459 2547.88 2550.459 Yeah well I just - TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2549.356 2551.631 2549.45 2551.51 Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah , it's it's working , it's working . 2550.36 2551.0 2551.51 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2552.511 2553.481 2552.7 2553.481 Yeah . 2553.39 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2552.766 2558.653 2552.766 2558.53 Okay . You go ahead . 2557.82 2558.53 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2553.201 2554.673 2553.37 2554.48 It's better than before . 2554.48 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2553.423 2554.84 2553.423 2554.68 Yeah . 2554.68 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2556.278 2556.88 2556.47 2556.83 Yeah . 2556.83 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2556.647 2557.932 2556.78 2557.9 We're improving uh Yeah . 2557.9 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2558.787 2560.927 2558.92 2560.73 Yeah that's improved uh pretty much . 2560.73 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2558.901 2559.46 2558.99 2559.27 Yeah . 2559.27 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2561.66 2575.343 2561.72 2575.25 Yeah it's only a bit like to that side , but that is that one by the way . 'Cause this one makes the angle either like this . So i if I change this , it will go there , if I change that , will go there . 2564.13 2566.36 2570.66 2572.35 2573.64 2574.62 2575.25 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2563.628 2564.171 2563.65 2563.97 Yeah . 2563.97 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2565.743 2567.984 2565.79 2567.984 Yeah but it's better , it's better 2567.06 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2566.429 2567.174 2566.64 2567.174 No it - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2573.101 2573.803 2573.3 2573.6 Mm . 2573.6 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2574.845 2577.186 2575.01 2576.96 No . It's better than it was I guess . 2575.21 2576.96 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2577.084 2581.609 2577.21 2581.33 Mm-hmm . I will take this away 'cause it looks messy . 2578.5 2581.33 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2580.33 2581.501 2580.33 2581.46 Silly . 2581.46 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2586.116 2593.675 2586.35 2593.675 Yeah . Works pretty well . Five minutes before the meeting's over . And then ? We have to present 2586.95 2589.7 2591.71 2592.56 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2590.739 2601.45 2590.93 2601.27 Yeah . Yeah . Then I have to uh uh write this , and I don't know if you have to present , because I didn't receive any information about that so far . 2591.85 2592.78 2595.86 2597.56 2601.27 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2600.732 2601.5 2600.88 2601.4 Alright . 2601.4 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2601.272 2602.71 2601.56 2602.28 Maybe we will . 2602.28 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2602.205 2604.58 2602.32 2604.46 Maybe we get a a final mail . 2604.46 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2602.267 2606.364 2602.49 2606.364 So it after the after after these five minutes , you have to 2605.58 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2605.449 2609.436 2605.51 2609.4 Yeah . Yeah , I have still ten minutes to finish the report . 2606.93 2607.05 2609.4 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2608.094 2609.7 2608.31 2609.39 What's this anyway ? 2609.39 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2609.367 2611.788 2609.55 2611.788 So cake . 2611.61 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2610.012 2617.372 2610.03 2617.372 Alright . After after that five minutes , you have ten minutes to finish it , or Alright . And we uh 2611.72 2613.3 2614.77 2616.55 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2613.111 2614.984 2613.24 2614.75 It looks like candle wax . 2614.75 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2615.148 2615.65 2615.21 2615.45 Yeah . 2615.45 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2617.708 2628.324 2617.73 2628.26 And you can uh just uh relax and uh have cup of coffee or oh no , they don't have beer here so you can't celebrate . You can just if you ma finish my presentation please . 2621.78 2624.75 2628.26 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2619.659 2621.665 2620.38 2621.665 Right . Chill . 2620.88 2621.56 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2622.97 2623.873 2623.14 2623.72 Huh . 2623.72 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2629.644 2630.58 2629.66 2630.43 Uh over there . 2630.43 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2629.664 2631.269 2629.75 2631.05 Uh Yeah ? 2631.05 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2631.436 2635.396 2631.46 2635.396 The presentation is still open . So if you finish that then you'll see uh 2633.11 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2637.34 2638.273 2637.36 2638.23 Yeah next . 2638.23 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2638.226 2639.496 2638.45 2639.33 Next slide . 2639.33 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2640.812 2646.38 2640.83 2646.38 Oh yeah , we have to do the project uh evaluation . Just uh do that quickly . Uh 2641.18 2643.82 2645.89 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2645.276 2647.557 2645.3 2647.34 Yeah ? How do you do it ? 2646.6 2647.34 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2647.468 2651.451 2647.49 2651.451 Uh well basically what that says , we discuss it and um 2649.71 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2652.097 2653.644 2652.097 2653.51 Alright . 2653.51 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2652.596 2660.7 2652.62 2660.7 So how were did the project process uh go ? Did you , were you all pleased with the process as it was ? Or are there uh 2656.27 2656.76 2659.94 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2659.729 2664.21 2660.08 2664.21 Uh th uh do you mean the the interaction between us ? Or 2663.59 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2663.008 2666.854 2663.04 2666.79 Yeah the interaction and the steps we followed , and and so forth . 2665.37 2666.79 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2666.659 2681.145 2666.89 2681.145 Yeah well at first I was really stressed . Because it went a bit fast . But then as I knew the tempo that I had to be on , the second time I think I did a bit better . And the third time yeah , I mean 2669.66 2671.76 2676.0 2678.98 2680.35 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2669.803 2670.672 2670.01 2670.672 Yeah . 2670.43 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2678.13 2678.833 2678.27 2678.73 Yeah . 2678.73 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2678.748 2679.052 2678.77 2679.02 Yeah . 2679.02 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2680.428 2705.712 2680.45 2705.712 And we move more to to working together as team , because at first you you make your individual contribution , and then come here , and you have no idea what the others have to make . And then finally you have some idea , okay this is gonna w this is what we gonna make together and okay I will arrange this and you will arrange that , and you have a k a kind of idea what you can expect on the next half hour when you have to work on your own . So 2683.72 2687.07 2687.82 2691.26 2692.73 2698.98 2705.12 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2680.988 2681.547 2681.03 2681.44 No . 2681.44 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2683.744 2684.513 2683.95 2684.35 Mm-hmm . 2684.35 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2689.083 2690.254 2689.083 2690.254 . 2690.254 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2689.261 2689.932 2689.41 2689.86 No . 2689.86 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2690.583 2691.921 2690.63 2691.6 Yeah , yeah yeah yeah . 2690.94 2691.6 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2697.74 2698.28 2697.76 2698.14 Mm-hmm . 2698.14 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2706.627 2711.109 2706.69 2711.03 The process , I mean , the interaction between us became better and better I guess . 2707.29 2707.63 2711.03 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2706.503 2707.406 2706.71 2707.406 Yeah we - TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2706.656 2707.289 2706.78 2707.2 Yeah . 2707.2 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2710.256 2712.62 2710.44 2712.59 Yeah . Especially after the first meeting . 2710.88 2712.59 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2710.722 2711.424 2710.85 2711.18 Mm-hmm . 2711.18 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2710.918 2711.787 2711.15 2711.6 Mm-hmm . 2711.6 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2712.982 2720.039 2713.03 2719.97 Yeah , especially if f f if you see uh you se you saw the largest difference from the first to the second meeting I guess . 2713.35 2719.97 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2712.954 2713.811 2713.11 2713.811 And - TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2718.015 2718.617 2718.2 2718.37 Yeah . 2718.37 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2718.401 2720.173 2718.61 2719.9 Yeah . Definitely . 2719.31 2719.9 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2720.593 2723.269 2720.71 2723.21 Okay and was that due to my leadership ? 2723.21 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2723.768 2725.848 2723.95 2725.848 Yeah yeah yeah . 2725.32 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2725.357 2732.916 2725.39 2732.71 Well you did become more assertive the the second time round , so that Yeah . You were more in charge kind of thing . 2728.4 2730.46 2732.71 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2728.687 2729.188 2728.78 2729.0 Yeah ? 2729.0 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2729.165 2729.649 2729.26 2729.49 Yeah . 2729.49 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2729.537 2730.239 2729.74 2730.08 Yeah . 2730.08 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2730.091 2730.827 2730.18 2730.61 That okay ? 2730.61 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2732.796 2739.222 2732.796 2739.16 Okay . Um was there uh enough room for creativity ? 2735.35 2739.16 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2739.27 2740.441 2739.39 2740.21 I guess so . 2740.21 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2739.809 2740.512 2739.92 2740.31 Yeah . 2740.31 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2740.529 2745.88 2740.74 2745.64 Yeah but only the the financial parts uh Yeah . 2745.64 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2741.076 2741.846 2741.21 2741.846 I mean - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2744.191 2746.972 2744.36 2746.972 Li Limiteded afterwards , but 2746.6 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2748.284 2760.732 2748.36 2760.7 If if you don't take that into account , there's plenty of room for creativ creativity . Also not only the drawing and the the making of the thing itself , but also in explaining it to the other people , by means of uh 2750.26 2753.31 2756.91 2759.66 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2751.291 2752.127 2751.45 2751.97 I - TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2760.856 2762.863 2761.0 2762.6 We were pretty democratic . 2762.6 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2761.605 2765.05 2761.7 2764.92 the the board and uh PowerPoint and Word and stuff like that . 2764.92 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2764.463 2771.653 2764.48 2771.653 So and the uh about the board digital pen ? Uh was that helpful or 2769.4 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2770.325 2770.587 2770.36 2770.47 Yeah . 2770.47 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2772.508 2775.372 2772.53 2775.34 Mm uh I think in in essence - TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2772.494 2773.388 2772.74 2773.13 Ooh . 2773.13 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2776.255 2795.628 2776.43 2795.58 the digital pen is better than the SMARTboard . Because it it it just works better . I mean uh uh I've made yeah , uh I've made several notes just to test it , and and just put the pen in into it , and then it came onto my screen and it looked perfectly . So it it's better a better device than uh 2779.17 2781.23 2782.83 2786.05 2789.01 2791.42 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2781.223 2784.133 2781.3 2784.133 Yeah it works . 2782.54 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2790.969 2791.671 2791.07 2791.53 Yeah . 2791.53 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2792.026 2792.728 2792.15 2792.5 Mm-hmm . 2792.5 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2796.537 2798.497 2796.537 2798.35 Maybe Yeah . 2798.35 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2796.556 2801.205 2796.63 2801.205 than the screen . But the screen is useful , in essence , but it doesn't work that well . 2797.74 2798.98 2799.36 2801.11 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2800.719 2821.468 2800.89 2821.02 It's uh it's The the pen is more intuitive , 'cause we're all used to writing with pen . And uh as I said , uh I uh have no idea how PowerPoint works , so will take me half a day to be able to make a normal PowerPoint presentation . But once I get to know the program probably , I mean , it looks better , you know . Or uh something like that . You can 2803.49 2805.86 2807.24 2809.64 2814.17 2816.82 2817.78 2818.64 2819.27 2820.54 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2804.406 2806.312 2804.406 2806.24 Use the pen . 2806.24 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2813.132 2813.751 2813.15 2813.62 Yeah . 2813.62 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2822.367 2825.578 2822.5 2825.35 give it a kind of a home style , like we have i 2824.64 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2826.398 2830.679 2826.51 2830.52 the the logo and everything . And I don't know . 2828.43 2830.52 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2827.874 2828.643 2827.96 2828.47 Yeah yeah . 2828.47 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2829.452 2829.998 2829.47 2829.78 Yep . 2829.78 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2833.025 2834.931 2833.13 2834.931 Blink . Oh . 2833.94 2834.21 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2834.245 2835.951 2834.4 2835.78 Warning . Finish meeting now . 2834.79 2835.78 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2834.786 2836.124 2834.98 2835.7 Finish meeting . 2835.7 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2835.433 2841.587 2835.51 2841.587 Okay , are are there any new ideas about this ? All I think 2835.96 2840.42 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2842.155 2843.827 2842.26 2843.61 I didn't really receive , yeah . 2843.38 2843.61 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2842.138 2850.604 2842.26 2850.57 Well , it It's use especially useful , I guess , to to evaluate designs and graph graphical stuff . 2842.51 2844.81 2845.1 2850.57 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2850.884 2853.794 2850.884 2853.794 Uh uh w uh S sorry uh - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2851.804 2852.54 2851.9 2852.47 And and - TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2854.346 2856.52 2854.63 2856.28 the screen and stuff like that . 2856.28 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2856.608 2857.244 2856.74 2857.03 Mm-hmm . 2857.03 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2856.631 2868.269 2856.84 2868.269 I think the PowerPoint is is too limited . You can't uh draw easy in in PowerPoint . It has to be uh yeah . The drawing board has to be integrated into PowerPoint , so that you can just easily 2859.43 2862.45 2864.21 2866.59 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2868.332 2868.899 2868.35 2868.7 Yeah . 2868.7 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2869.035 2881.516 2869.14 2881.47 Yeah the the the problem with PowerPoint for me is that you have to i put in the pre-made chunks c as well . You know , you can draw something on the sketch-board and then take it there , or whatever . 2876.0 2876.33 2880.68 2881.47 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2875.599 2876.083 2875.62 2875.93 Yeah . 2875.93 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2875.906 2876.742 2876.07 2876.57 Yeah . 2876.57 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2877.495 2878.197 2877.59 2878.06 Yeah . 2878.06 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2881.618 2888.108 2881.71 2888.108 Yeah . But it it's useful to to show something to to an a small audience , and then to 2882.75 2887.43 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2885.866 2889.746 2885.96 2889.746 Yeah just for text , for text it's uh it's okay . But 2887.55 2889.17 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2889.477 2894.026 2889.56 2894.026 Yeah . These these kind of screens this size are useful to discuss things . So 2890.35 2893.48 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2894.707 2902.934 2894.707 2902.934 Oh . Uh we should uh enter our questionnaire . 2897.38 2902.73 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2895.598 2898.039 2895.76 2897.66 Yes . Check your email . 2896.77 2897.66 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2904.124 2909.756 2904.124 2909.756 You also . 2909.68 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2909.28 2909.916 2909.39 2909.81 'Kay . 2909.81 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2915.837 2916.539 2916.02 2916.4 Ah . 2916.4 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2921.132 2923.228 2921.132 2923.11 Woah . 2923.11 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2927.612 2928.543 2927.63 2928.25 Alright . 2928.25 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2927.635 2928.57 2927.7 2928.25 Right . 2928.25 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2929.66 2932.124 2929.69 2931.87 Okay . Uh okay . 2931.41 2931.87 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2931.216 2932.052 2931.33 2931.72 Okay . 2931.72 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2932.055 2932.791 2932.17 2932.69 Alright . 2932.69 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2934.191 2935.58 2934.36 2935.46 Yes boss . 2935.46 TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2937.131 2940.572 2937.28 2940.53 Well , s see you in a second huh ? . 2937.94 2940.53 2940.53 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2937.763 2940.305 2937.94 2940.305 That's the management . 2940.1 TS3006d D MTD024ME 3 2939.843 2944.726 2939.843 2944.6 Well see you soon . Yeah . 2944.34 2944.6 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2942.024 2942.471 2942.14 2942.4 Oh . 2942.4 TS3006d B MTD023UID 1 2942.989 2943.658 2943.15 2943.54 Okay . 2943.54 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2943.115 2943.884 2943.26 2943.81 Hope so . 2943.81 TS3006d A MTD021PM 0 2945.924 2947.964 2946.22 2947.964 Um - TS3006d C MTD022ID 2 2946.763 2949.727 2946.9 2949.5 Yeah we have to pull it this way , huh ? Wait . 2948.5 2949.26 2949.5 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 13.92 14.294 13.95 14.16 Hi . 14.16 TS3007a C MTD026UID 2 14.688 15.285 14.71 15.2 Hi . 15.2 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 15.653 16.393 15.74 16.25 Hello . 16.25 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 17.515 17.843 17.61 17.79 Oh . 17.79 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 41.68 42.812 41.74 42.36 Good morning . 42.36 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 42.768 43.48 42.79 43.27 Good morning . 43.27 TS3007a C MTD026UID 2 42.697 43.602 42.89 43.35 Morning . 43.35 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 43.339 44.063 43.38 43.85 Good morning . 43.85 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 44.718 66.499 44.8 66.3 Uh before I start with the with the meeting I have a few things to tell you about the the setting we're in , uh because we're uh being watched by uh Big Brother . So um Yeah . Yeah . This uh These are cameras , so are these . This thing uh that looks like a pie , are actually all microphones . 50.76 54.19 56.64 58.36 61.65 62.6 64.7 66.3 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 55.44 56.501 55.46 56.38 By Big Brother ? 56.38 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 57.472 58.143 57.62 58.02 Okay . 58.02 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 62.416 62.752 62.45 62.66 Mm-hmm . 62.66 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 64.778 65.316 64.9 65.15 Yeah . 65.15 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 67.28 67.998 67.3 67.95 Okay . 67.95 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 67.728 82.608 67.84 82.49 So you must be careful with uh with uh all this . And uh as I can see you uh you have placed your laptops uh exactly on the place where it must be . And that has to do with the camera settings , so we don't have our uh laptops in front of the cameras . 71.49 77.08 78.85 82.49 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 82.624 83.721 82.68 83.46 Of our faces . 83.46 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 84.337 88.97 84.39 88.87 And Indeed . So they can see our faces . Okay . 85.83 88.25 88.87 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 105.792 109.781 105.81 109.63 Welcome at the kick-off meeting . My name is uh Danny Wolfs . 108.12 109.63 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 110.832 121.641 110.832 121.39 Uh this is the agenda for today . Uh first a little opening . Uh I will introduce myself , uh and uh I think it's very uh good to introduce uh yourself . 113.75 115.23 116.73 121.39 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 121.641 134.672 121.97 134.16 Uh then uh a little bit of acquaintance , acquaintance to uh to to ourselves . So uh we get to know each other . Uh that will be done uh with a tool training from the he these two uh smart boards . 124.12 126.82 128.9 134.16 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 134.672 141.642 134.78 141.46 Then the project plan . What we're going to do , and how we're going to do it . Uh and discussion about that and a little closing at the end . 135.61 136.54 138.21 141.46 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 142.624 147.992 142.624 147.75 Okay uh , my name is uh Danny Wolfs . I'm the Project Manager . What's your name ? 144.02 145.34 147.22 147.75 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 148.048 150.704 148.07 150.63 I'm Juergen Toffs . I'm the User Interface Designer . 149.1 150.63 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 150.736 151.984 150.76 151.94 User interface , okay . 151.6 151.94 TS3007a C MTD026UID 2 152.098 156.48 152.45 156.44 Hi , my name's uh . I'm the Industrial Designer . 152.59 153.58 156.44 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 156.241 157.992 156.48 157.79 Industrial , yes . 157.27 157.79 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 157.088 162.352 157.53 162.15 I'm uh Tim . Um my function is the Marketing Expert . 158.94 162.15 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 161.998 163.514 162.28 163.17 Okay , thank you . 162.72 163.17 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 164.739 178.376 164.82 178.24 First a little about the project aim . Uh the the the aim is to make a new remote control . Uh maybe you have read uh read the website . It's a very uh , yeah , very uh ambitious uh company . 166.22 170.7 173.61 175.67 175.88 178.24 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 178.376 198.192 178.95 198.04 They uh they wanna do something else . I w Uh there must be a new remote control . Uh first of all uh it must be original , uh and trendy . That's two things really uh close to each other . But at the same time uh user-friendly . And they have uh Yeah , that's uh very important uh for them . 181.52 184.52 187.86 188.72 192.32 194.37 195.79 198.04 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 199.608 217.168 199.68 216.99 Uh there are three stages . There is a functional design . So uh what are we going uh to uh to do ? What are we going to uh uh make f uh kind of functions in the remote ? And why are we going to do it ? Then the conceptual design . How are going to do it ? 201.74 203.45 206.88 212.25 214.26 215.86 216.99 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 218.208 233.39 218.208 233.19 And that's uh really global . Uh because at the detailed design , how , part two , uh we go uh to dig in uh really about how the the te the technical of If it's uh it's possible technical-wise . 220.69 224.02 224.49 225.32 233.19 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 233.39 247.135 234.58 246.91 Uh each stage is uh uh is broken up in two uh two stages , individual work and a meeting . So it's uh it's very straightforward . 242.84 244.68 246.91 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 247.952 271.924 247.952 271.75 Okay , the tool training . We have two smart boards . This one is for the presentations , the PowerPoint presentations or the Word presentation of whatever you uh you had . Uh and this is uh only for uh drawing . So uh we uh must let it uh stand on this uh this programme . This is called a smart board 249.03 249.8 252.09 254.67 259.67 264.3 269.85 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 272.384 274.922 272.384 274.76 Speaks for itself . 274.76 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 273.04 288.662 273.06 288.44 thing uh Yeah , it speaks for itself . Um and as you uh may have heard , the documents in the shared folder uh can be uh showed on this screen . Not in y the the My Documents . So if you wanna show something , put it in the shared folder . 274.95 277.01 279.82 284.01 285.58 287.39 288.44 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 290.032 290.992 290.032 290.992 Uh - TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 292.32 303.187 292.34 303.08 This uh is very straightforward , with the save , the print , the undo , the blank , the select , the pen . Well , I don't uh gonna explain it all , because I think you know uh how it works . 294.81 295.35 295.78 296.18 296.67 297.2 297.92 298.32 300.8 303.08 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 303.187 319.664 303.87 319.42 Um we must not forget uh everything we draw on here , uh all must be saved . We we may not delete anything . So uh if you have uh drawn something , save it . Never delete it . That's a very important uh thing . 308.42 311.39 313.42 315.72 316.7 317.64 319.42 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 321.388 327.405 321.47 327.34 Okay . Uh little uh little kinda exercise to uh know each other . 322.67 327.34 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 328.544 343.862 328.544 343.49 At uh the white board on the left . Every uh every one of us uh must draw our favourite animal , and uh tell uh tell us why we uh had uh chosen that animal . 333.18 338.19 343.49 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 343.862 353.224 344.53 353.05 Uh important is that we use different colours , and uh different pen widths . Widths . Widths . Yes ? 348.39 350.73 351.41 352.62 353.05 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 351.84 361.52 351.86 361.49 I have a question . Um this exercise , um did the company board tell you to do it , or uh did you just make it up yourself ? 353.18 355.83 359.03 361.49 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 355.264 355.817 355.28 355.64 Yeah . 355.64 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 361.472 380.328 361.5 380.04 No no no . It's uh it's uh I I I must do it . Yeah , yeah , yeah . 'Cause we uh really don't know each other , and uh it's kinda new . So getting used to each other , we can uh have a little fun then , before we uh dig in really to the hard stuff . That kind of thing . Would you start with drawing your uh favourite animal ? 362.07 365.74 366.03 366.16 366.69 368.68 369.66 371.58 373.56 376.38 377.34 380.04 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 364.843 367.005 364.9 366.66 It's part of the introduction , okay . 366.21 366.66 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 373.75 376.432 373.97 376.432 Okay . 376.18 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 379.026 385.388 379.11 385.15 Um , yeah . I don't know really how it works . But maybe you can show us first ? 381.11 381.38 382.97 385.15 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 383.536 396.064 383.536 396.03 Okay , okay . Yeah , okay . Drawing goes with uh this thing . Do not touch your hand on uh this little uh thingy here . That's uh important . So hold it uh like this . 383.99 384.73 385.01 386.9 389.52 392.77 393.78 396.03 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 395.387 397.648 395.66 397.648 You g you get electrocuted or - TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 397.856 403.01 398.02 403.01 Yeah , kinda . So , um 398.34 400.57 402.25 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 404.096 413.616 404.12 413.29 You must p p uh push a little uh Good . Because And uh wait uh wait a few seconds . It's not uh fully real-time , so uh watch it . 406.89 409.46 411.83 413.29 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 412.105 413.345 412.38 413.345 Ach . 413.19 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 418.672 419.581 418.83 419.21 Oh yeah . 419.21 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 421.365 425.641 421.49 425.4 Well I'm gonna paint in the red . 425.4 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 426.026 426.864 426.2 426.74 Ooph . 426.74 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 426.409 430.0 426.53 430.0 Oh . That's the background colour . 427.38 429.77 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 431.584 432.736 431.63 432.33 Well , undo . 431.87 432.33 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 435.216 435.968 435.24 435.968 Um - TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 438.8 439.806 438.82 439.66 The pen ? 439.66 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 445.732 446.507 446.07 446.4 No . 446.4 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 449.328 450.893 449.35 450.893 One minute please . 450.71 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 460.573 461.949 460.69 461.71 Yeah , that's the one . 461.03 461.71 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 468.064 470.535 468.13 470.41 Well , five . Okay . 469.2 469.9 470.41 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 474.528 477.471 474.528 477.23 My favourite animal huh ? 477.23 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 477.408 480.512 477.49 480.512 It's like Pictionary ? 480.25 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 480.397 482.302 480.43 482.17 Yeah , you can guess what it is . 480.77 482.17 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 481.282 485.536 481.39 485.27 The the one who says it first gets a raise . 485.27 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 485.366 488.262 485.366 488.01 May uh paint uh next . 488.01 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 495.008 498.288 495.03 498.288 It's a pork ? 497.86 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 496.016 498.864 496.016 498.864 No , it's not an orc . 497.22 498.53 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 500.24 502.066 500.26 501.95 You don't see it uh at the ears ? 501.95 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 502.656 504.736 502.69 504.736 Mm yeah , I have it at home . 503.14 504.22 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 506.432 507.732 506.45 507.46 You have an orc at home ? 507.46 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 507.712 509.002 507.76 508.82 Very artistic . 508.82 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 509.382 510.157 509.47 509.91 Thank you . 509.91 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 512.176 514.029 512.2 514.029 So it's a cat . 513.81 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 514.768 515.44 514.79 515.41 What's it called ? 515.41 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 516.208 523.408 516.23 523.37 Simba . 'Cause uh we have a cat at home and he's called Simba . 'Cause he looks like the uh the the lion from The Lion King . 517.48 520.24 523.37 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 517.184 517.52 517.2 517.47 Ah . 517.47 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 520.166 520.926 520.27 520.74 Okay . 520.74 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 523.76 526.498 523.76 526.3 Miniature size ? 526.3 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 525.36 528.776 525.38 528.47 So we uh found it kinda cool to uh name it after a lion . 528.47 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 528.544 528.896 528.57 528.85 Okay . 528.85 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 539.666 541.451 539.81 541.16 He's happy with us , so uh 540.66 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 542.596 543.707 542.83 543.41 he's smiling . 543.41 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 543.888 544.391 543.91 544.25 Wow . 544.25 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 545.359 547.039 545.39 547.039 He does have body uh - TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 547.642 549.117 547.642 548.91 Huh . 548.91 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 547.584 554.012 547.76 553.95 No , only the face . Because we have we have twen twenty five minutes . So we uh Yeah . 548.08 548.73 551.5 553.95 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 551.456 553.4 551.48 553.31 Okay . We have to speed up . 552.48 553.31 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 555.856 560.137 555.88 559.96 Remember you use uh different colours , and different pen widths . 558.84 559.96 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 560.032 560.645 560.05 560.38 Yeah . 560.38 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 561.352 563.17 561.57 563.12 Okay , who wants to go next ? 561.83 563.12 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 565.264 566.12 565.31 565.99 I Okay . 565.99 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 566.416 566.941 566.44 566.7 Yeah ? 566.7 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 567.856 571.453 567.88 571.453 So choose a colour , choose a pen width and draw a 568.9 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 570.999 575.546 571.07 575.546 You don't have to change the colour and the pen width during uh the drawing . Or 575.16 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 572.968 573.89 573.22 573.65 Save it . 573.65 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 575.192 575.798 575.33 575.54 Yeah . 575.54 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 575.629 576.571 575.67 576.37 You have to save it . 576.37 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 576.64 577.986 576.74 577.7 Save it , okay . 577.24 577.7 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 577.808 579.856 578.11 579.65 I've done it . New ? 579.29 579.65 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 583.454 584.013 583.52 583.86 'Kay . 583.86 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 589.902 592.48 589.96 592.48 You have to draw uh push hard on the pen or uh - TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 592.624 593.248 592.66 593.248 Mm uh - TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 594.544 597.216 594.56 597.216 Not really . Um 596.21 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 596.221 597.818 596.26 597.34 Kind of firm touch . 597.34 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 598.864 599.76 598.89 599.41 That one . 599.41 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 599.445 600.366 599.52 600.15 Oh . Uh hmm . 599.74 600.15 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 609.68 610.359 609.73 610.27 Yeah ? 610.27 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 613.141 613.912 613.44 613.77 Okay . 613.77 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 617.6 618.37 617.68 618.19 Open . 618.19 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 619.778 621.085 620.01 620.77 Which one is it ? 620.77 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 625.392 628.802 625.41 628.63 Smart board ? Okay . And now ? 626.79 628.04 628.63 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 627.1 628.006 627.27 627.66 Okay . 627.66 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 627.276 628.083 627.31 627.58 Yeah . 627.58 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 637.942 638.624 638.1 638.46 Okay . 638.46 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 639.52 640.568 639.54 640.33 Okay , thanks . 639.97 640.33 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 643.951 645.488 643.99 645.26 'Kay , I've speed up . 644.12 645.26 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 646.467 648.009 646.67 647.54 'Kay , that's fine . 646.74 647.54 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 649.52 650.255 649.59 650.03 Line width . 650.03 TS3007a C MTD026UID 2 650.32 652.528 650.56 652.33 By the way , why was your cat uh red ? 650.87 652.33 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 652.88 658.831 653.03 658.79 Because uh my cat is red uh at home . And I have red hair , so uh must be red . 655.79 656.5 658.79 TS3007a C MTD026UID 2 654.466 655.6 654.53 655.6 Oh , okay . 654.84 655.55 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 654.553 655.234 654.57 655.08 Oh . 655.08 TS3007a C MTD026UID 2 656.469 657.952 656.469 657.87 Oh , yeah , sure . 657.21 657.42 657.87 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 656.643 658.553 656.86 658.36 It's a very bloody cat . 658.36 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 659.504 660.688 659.52 660.688 It's a frog . 660.57 TS3007a C MTD026UID 2 661.238 663.04 661.37 663.04 No , it's a turtle . 661.44 662.5 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 662.224 666.016 662.224 666.016 Uh it's an apple . 665.93 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 666.773 668.65 666.773 668.43 It's not an apple . 668.43 TS3007a C MTD026UID 2 669.088 674.096 669.5 674.05 Must be a dog . Yeah . 672.49 674.05 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 671.568 673.696 671.79 673.696 A dog ? 673.29 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 674.8 675.123 674.82 675.04 Hmm . 675.04 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 678.48 680.016 678.5 680.016 Colour . 679.77 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 681.44 683.024 681.46 682.98 Something like this . 682.98 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 685.248 686.139 685.27 685.84 Smaller . 685.84 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 688.718 689.119 688.76 689.0 Huh ? 689.0 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 690.488 691.84 690.63 691.8 Oh , it is a turtle . 690.84 691.8 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 691.92 694.604 692.03 694.37 It is a turtle . Why a turtle ? Why ? Tim ? 692.86 693.65 694.02 694.37 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 695.504 696.262 695.61 696.262 Um - TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 697.072 699.546 697.09 699.28 'Cause I liked Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles . 699.28 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 699.352 704.096 699.352 703.92 You watched it a lot ? You watched it a lot ? 703.01 703.92 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 702.464 702.84 702.48 702.78 Uh ? 702.78 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 704.272 707.665 704.36 707.35 It's uh inside its shell . You'll be uh finished sooner . 705.71 707.35 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 706.648 707.824 706.8 707.824 No , it's uh 707.06 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 708.149 709.698 708.52 709.49 It's a scared turtle . 709.49 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 710.64 713.408 710.69 713.01 No no . It's coming up . 712.05 713.01 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 715.744 716.126 715.78 715.96 Mm . 715.96 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 719.245 719.52 719.29 719.47 Uh . 719.47 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 722.224 722.859 722.25 722.71 Wow . 722.71 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 731.056 735.04 731.056 735.04 Okay , Tim . Thank you . 732.72 732.99 734.93 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 732.224 736.832 732.48 736.8 Something like this . Okay , you know Very artistic . 733.31 733.6 736.8 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 737.136 738.822 737.16 738.6 Jurgen , you want to go next ? 737.55 738.6 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 738.995 742.615 739.11 742.52 Yes . Okay . Wha Thank you . 740.51 741.44 742.52 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 741.333 741.921 741.37 741.78 Yeah ? 741.78 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 745.632 746.245 745.65 746.06 Here you go . 746.06 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 746.168 746.657 746.26 746.59 Yeah . 746.59 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 748.601 749.648 748.96 749.648 Um - TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 753.44 754.48 753.46 754.45 How did it work ? 754.45 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 755.275 756.229 755.44 756.06 Format ? 756.06 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 756.512 757.417 756.66 757.31 Performance ? 757.31 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 757.011 759.92 757.15 759.86 And then you have the the current colour , you can change . 759.13 759.86 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 761.824 763.486 761.84 763.44 So no red or green . 763.44 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 763.451 764.423 763.56 764.31 And a pen ? 764.31 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 764.704 766.886 764.72 766.74 And uh line uh width . 766.74 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 767.808 772.711 767.87 772.35 I had five . Tim had Uh Tim , what kinda line width did you have ? 768.59 770.11 772.35 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 769.722 770.824 769.77 770.824 Um - TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 771.776 774.356 771.87 774.27 Uh the big lines were like nine . 774.27 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 776.624 778.099 776.69 777.86 Okay . It's a dog . 777.14 777.86 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 778.19 783.395 778.25 783.17 Well , very good . I just uh thought I'd pick the easiest one . 778.62 779.03 783.17 TS3007a C MTD026UID 2 778.619 780.647 778.619 780.56 Uh . 780.56 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 782.187 784.844 782.21 784.61 Okay . Why a dog ? You have a dog at home ? 783.07 783.76 784.61 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 784.499 792.811 784.53 792.811 Well , we had a dog , a few years ago . And and it , yeah , when it died we didn't get a new one or something . But uh 784.75 786.0 787.4 788.7 788.92 791.98 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 785.744 786.299 785.76 786.19 Uh , it's p 785.91 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 785.82 787.975 785.88 787.64 Had a dog ? Yeah ? 787.35 787.64 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 791.106 791.982 791.35 791.75 Ah . 791.75 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 791.84 793.232 791.87 793.232 It's pretty good uh - TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 794.978 797.908 795.1 797.77 You have an artistic uh inner middle . 797.77 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 798.528 800.275 798.528 800.11 An artist . 800.11 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 801.127 803.652 801.19 803.652 Uh a Graphical User Designer , so 803.0 TS3007a C MTD026UID 2 804.016 804.224 804.04 804.19 Hmm . 804.19 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 804.544 805.088 804.58 804.76 Hey . 804.76 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 806.288 809.258 806.31 809.02 Think you uh picked the wrong uh function . 809.02 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 810.336 811.271 810.38 811.02 Wrong job . 811.02 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 811.968 813.184 811.968 813.14 Oh . 813.14 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 814.192 816.672 814.21 816.61 No . Can work together . Ah colour . 815.12 815.85 816.61 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 821.565 827.165 821.67 826.84 So I think you can see it's real uh really a easy programme to use . Not difficult at all . 825.74 826.84 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 827.216 827.584 827.25 827.49 Wha - TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 832.0 834.284 832.0 834.12 Well , it's okay . 833.29 834.12 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 833.28 836.08 833.3 836.08 Okay , thank you . 833.84 835.96 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 834.496 838.635 834.496 838.635 That's enough , thanks . 836.54 838.56 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 837.016 838.918 837.09 838.87 Janus ? The last one ? 838.27 838.87 TS3007a C MTD026UID 2 837.408 838.769 837.62 838.64 Yeah , sure . 837.93 838.64 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 839.232 840.042 839.28 840.0 Yeah . 840.0 TS3007a C MTD026UID 2 842.693 843.776 842.96 843.72 Uh thanks . 843.72 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 844.56 845.805 844.6 845.26 I wonder . 845.26 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 845.914 849.168 845.97 849.1 Yeah . After a cat , a turtle and a dog . 846.64 847.93 849.1 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 851.424 853.996 851.44 853.996 I think he's gonna draw an elephant . 853.9 TS3007a C MTD026UID 2 853.728 859.088 854.32 859.04 I figure I should do something like that , but I'm gonna do something much more difficult . 855.97 859.04 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 859.184 859.893 859.2 859.75 Uh-oh . 859.75 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 859.45 863.049 859.56 862.88 Uh-oh . Oh , he is the artistic design . 860.73 860.84 862.88 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 864.528 869.462 864.72 869.462 I'm gonna design a remote uh remote control animal . 869.34 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 866.677 868.923 866.677 868.83 Remote control animal . 868.83 TS3007a C MTD026UID 2 867.818 873.792 867.818 873.792 Exactly . Uh 873.31 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 870.528 873.97 870.528 873.76 Oh . Sorry . 873.34 873.76 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 878.144 883.085 878.17 883.0 Well with the interface , it might be easier to ha to draw here and display there uh . 879.43 883.0 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 881.936 882.368 882.03 882.33 Yeah . 882.33 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 887.351 894.72 887.45 894.72 That that might be easier . But at the other hand , uh a pen like that is easy to hold in your hand , and 888.57 890.69 894.48 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 895.6 896.173 895.63 895.93 No . 895.93 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 896.432 901.312 896.45 901.23 I think it's easier to draw . Yeah . With a pen than with a mouse mouse . 898.62 899.21 901.23 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 897.488 899.552 897.53 899.552 Better to draw with a with - TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 899.471 907.735 899.64 907.735 Than on the , with Yeah , I m I mean like uh like on here , drawing drawing uh . And then displaying on screen , but 900.79 901.46 903.93 905.72 907.47 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 902.72 903.606 903.07 903.53 Mouth . 903.53 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 904.808 910.405 904.84 910.405 Oh , okay . Yeah . W with this paper it's too mu too expensive . 905.11 906.12 906.41 909.86 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 907.76 910.64 907.78 910.55 But what is he uh ? Is it a rabbit ? 909.79 910.55 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 909.209 910.665 909.28 910.58 Too expensive , yeah . 910.18 910.58 TS3007a C MTD026UID 2 911.216 914.848 911.25 914.73 Yes . No . 914.23 914.73 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 912.327 913.696 912.39 913.51 Do you have a rabbit at home ? 913.51 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 914.768 919.024 914.79 919.024 It's a rabbit with uh broken legs ? 918.89 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 915.242 916.349 915.32 916.17 A green rabbit . 916.17 TS3007a C MTD026UID 2 917.136 920.062 917.136 920.062 No . 919.78 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 917.721 920.992 917.74 920.96 Is it a white rabbit f It's the white rabbit from The Matrix . 920.96 TS3007a C MTD026UID 2 921.152 924.446 921.17 924.446 Yeah , exactly . 921.44 924.13 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 922.121 923.392 922.14 923.17 Okay , then yeah . 922.55 923.17 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 922.667 924.336 922.7 924.3 There , the g white green rabbit . 922.95 924.3 TS3007a C MTD026UID 2 925.532 925.856 925.59 925.73 So . 925.73 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 926.496 930.684 926.496 930.684 He's a little bit stoned there . 930.63 TS3007a C MTD026UID 2 929.904 935.264 929.904 934.83 Uh I figured this is a pretty b good impression of a rabbit . 934.83 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 935.2 935.456 935.22 935.42 Yeah . 935.42 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 936.529 937.245 936.57 937.18 It will do . 937.18 TS3007a C MTD026UID 2 936.32 936.949 936.58 936.949 Uh uh - TS3007a C MTD026UID 2 937.872 938.832 937.89 938.8 Uh well . 938.8 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 938.906 941.658 939.01 941.4 Okay . Finishing touch and then we're going further . 939.54 941.4 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 945.12 946.97 945.14 946.97 Project Manager ? Uh 945.97 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 946.528 947.261 946.55 947.04 Yeah ? 947.04 TS3007a C MTD026UID 2 947.348 948.947 947.38 948.947 Where does the pen go ? Just uh 948.13 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 948.27 950.976 948.35 950.94 Have you been uh counting the time ? 950.94 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 951.632 953.403 951.65 953.403 Yeah , a little . 951.9 953.2 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 952.448 952.936 952.47 952.75 Okay . 952.75 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 956.59 958.031 956.87 957.72 Let's go on then . 957.72 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 961.2 965.341 961.34 965.26 Well , I think the dog is the the most uh artistic . 961.63 965.26 TS3007a C MTD026UID 2 963.568 967.52 963.66 967.52 Uh I figured the rabbit was actually the most uh impressive . 967.07 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 967.84 974.262 967.91 973.94 Don't choose for youself . That's selfish . Okay , now we're gonna dig into the to the serious stuff . 968.9 970.11 970.87 973.94 TS3007a C MTD026UID 2 968.252 970.634 968.252 970.634 Oh , sorry . 969.1 970.09 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 970.544 972.005 970.6 971.86 It's pretty abstract . 971.86 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 974.262 1000.592 974.262 1000.37 Uh the selling price for the remote will be uh twenty five Euro , and the production cost uh may not be more than uh twenty and a half Euro . So uh from my point of view , I don't think it's uh gonna be very uh very high tech , high definition , uh ultra modern uh kinda remote , for twelve uh fift uh twelve and a half Euro . 979.85 985.8 988.32 992.26 993.35 996.47 1000.37 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1000.592 1007.232 1000.592 1007.17 Uh the profit we must make with uh the new remote is uh fifty million - TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1008.24 1011.488 1008.26 1011.488 Euro . So that's a lot . We have to sell uh a lot of uh 1009.18 1009.89 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 1011.488 1015.068 1011.51 1014.85 Yeah , how much is it ? Hundred million uh remotes or something ? 1011.68 1012.97 1014.85 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1012.32 1013.265 1012.37 1013.13 Like how much ? 1013.13 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1014.304 1029.728 1014.38 1029.68 Uh I think uh w when the selling price is twenty five , uh uh you got two million , two million remotes . But our marketing range is uh , market range is international . So we have uh virtually the whole world we can sell uh 1018.03 1021.52 1022.23 1024.62 1026.02 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 1017.952 1018.572 1018.01 1018.34 Oh yeah . 1018.34 TS3007a C MTD026UID 2 1017.81 1018.95 1018.14 1018.78 Twenty million . 1018.78 TS3007a C MTD026UID 2 1020.525 1022.62 1020.71 1022.46 Two million , oh yeah , two million . Yeah . 1021.17 1021.47 1022.12 1022.46 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1030.864 1038.224 1030.88 1038.09 we can sell our r remotes to . At least that uh countries which have uh a television . 1033.28 1038.09 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1036.208 1036.558 1036.23 1036.51 Yeah . 1036.51 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1040.384 1041.168 1040.46 1041.168 Um - TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1042.166 1061.708 1042.25 1061.53 So now it's time uh for us to uh going uh to discuss a little uh things . You can think about uh experience with a remote control uh yourself , at home . What you think might be uh a useful uh new feature . What uh what can distinguish our new trendy remote control from all the others . 1047.06 1051.49 1052.24 1056.57 1061.53 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1062.688 1069.193 1062.72 1069.13 Um so uh let's uh let's uh discuss a little . I'm gonna join you at the table . 1067.6 1069.13 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1071.952 1077.51 1071.952 1077.26 Well what what's the most uh important thing at a remote control ? 1077.26 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 1077.671 1087.744 1077.74 1087.744 Um well I think the most important thing of a remote control is that you can switch channels . And my opinion is you should keep it as basic as possible . Uh 1083.14 1087.4 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1086.896 1097.712 1086.96 1097.712 Okay . So not a not a remote control who uh uh which can uh can be used for television and a D_V_D_ and radio and Or just only 1087.69 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1096.56 1097.168 1096.58 1096.95 Yeah . 1096.95 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1097.888 1103.168 1098.0 1103.02 I think so . Uh but I have some points . Can I show them on the on the big screen ? Maybe ? 1098.73 1100.01 1102.67 1103.02 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1102.353 1105.008 1102.45 1105.008 If you have them on uh I can uh - TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1103.968 1106.578 1103.99 1106.47 Yeah . Yeah , I can find Uh . 1105.18 1105.41 1106.47 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1106.064 1106.91 1106.09 1106.78 Okay . 1106.78 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1118.72 1120.256 1118.79 1120.256 Oh , in case you want it 1118.92 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1121.344 1126.332 1121.41 1126.332 This is a dead kind of fly . Between the the the , yeah , the the uh 1122.76 1125.13 1125.48 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1126.944 1129.02 1127.16 1128.8 Screen ? Okay . 1128.47 1128.8 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1127.68 1129.408 1127.7 1129.31 Yeah , be The screens . 1127.91 1129.31 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 1129.086 1132.741 1129.11 1132.65 Is it possible to open pen drawings in this uh on this screen ? 1132.65 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1131.52 1136.128 1131.52 1136.128 No no no . Only All the drawings go there , at the left uh 1132.72 1135.25 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 1136.896 1140.336 1136.92 1140.336 Uh but um which The ones we made on the - TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1140.276 1149.76 1140.33 1149.72 Oh , that pen drawings . Uh no , I think uh when it is uh in Word and you have saved it in the Shared Documents folder , you can show it there . Yeah . 1141.12 1142.05 1142.72 1147.76 1149.41 1149.72 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 1148.404 1149.817 1148.43 1149.67 Oh , only in Word , okay . 1148.52 1149.31 1149.67 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1150.0 1172.496 1150.02 1172.496 Okay , I have some uh points from marketing point of view . Um just the standard thing li things like uh intuitive , uh small , fairly cheap . Uh it's pretty cheap , twenty five Euros . Uh brand independent . Um I think , it doesn't have to matter uh which brand your T_V_ or other thing is . Um 1150.26 1153.44 1158.24 1158.9 1160.3 1161.23 1163.09 1165.07 1166.05 1172.08 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1152.96 1153.547 1153.02 1153.37 Yeah . 1153.37 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1170.656 1171.258 1170.68 1171.08 Yeah . 1171.08 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1173.321 1176.679 1173.44 1176.49 Okay . Five minutes . Yeah . 1174.29 1176.19 1176.49 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1175.216 1197.493 1175.25 1197.31 Five minutes ? Okay , I'll wrap it up quickly . Um I personally think it has to be multi-purpose . Uh most of the remote c uh remote controls are uh just for one purpose . And uh by making it multi-purpose , it uh has a new feature , adds a new feature to the market , and distinguish from uh from current products . 1175.91 1176.38 1177.67 1181.91 1187.35 1189.77 1192.67 1194.62 1197.31 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1182.184 1182.605 1182.27 1182.56 Yeah . 1182.56 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1187.136 1187.727 1187.16 1187.53 Yeah . 1187.53 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1197.248 1198.031 1197.29 1197.9 Mm-hmm . 1197.9 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1197.493 1214.89 1197.82 1214.84 Um maybe some other technology than infrared . Uh I rather find it very annoying um , like when someone is standing in front of the T_V_ then you can't switch it . Um think about um sending it over radio waves or bluetooth . 1201.38 1205.61 1209.5 1214.84 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1214.408 1216.313 1214.49 1216.14 Okay . Okay . 1215.44 1216.14 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1215.872 1219.84 1216.01 1219.84 That might be a little bit uh expensive . Um 1219.2 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1221.248 1223.814 1221.27 1223.61 And something like an L_C_D_ screen . 1223.61 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 1224.816 1225.776 1224.84 1225.74 For what purpose ? 1225.74 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1226.24 1229.04 1226.26 1229.04 Um uh like I said here um - TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1230.032 1241.44 1230.05 1241.44 Maybe it's easy . It's nice as an added feature feature , that um , when you're on a certain channel , you can see on the L_C_D_ screen uh what programmes are coming up or 1231.42 1234.22 1236.14 1238.04 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1240.573 1241.103 1240.59 1241.04 Okay . 1241.04 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1242.352 1248.896 1242.37 1248.85 So it be uh a multi-purpose uh very technically uh high uh - TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1249.424 1251.109 1249.44 1250.8 From my point of view , yeah . 1250.52 1250.8 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1249.936 1255.232 1250.05 1255.1 remote ? Yeah , it must be really uh innovative , technical-wise ? 1251.29 1251.74 1254.28 1255.1 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1255.232 1256.607 1255.25 1256.607 Yeah , it has to be uh 1255.45 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1258.585 1260.907 1258.68 1260.84 Yeah , our company is very uh 1258.98 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1263.2 1267.728 1263.22 1267.69 good in making new innovative uh things . 1267.69 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1265.381 1265.824 1265.44 1265.79 Yeah . 1265.79 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1268.051 1275.008 1268.07 1275.008 So yeah , I I agree with you . So we must focus on things who are really uh really add something to uh to 1268.88 1269.79 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 1268.395 1269.401 1268.395 1269.401 We - TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1268.799 1270.162 1268.83 1270.05 So i i i i - TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1275.024 1276.257 1275.04 1276.19 To the current market . 1276.19 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1276.144 1276.576 1276.16 1276.51 Yeah . 1276.51 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1277.36 1280.864 1277.38 1280.75 Look , you got some cheap uh remote controls there . 1278.32 1280.75 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1282.064 1283.296 1282.09 1283.296 They just uh - TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1284.8 1286.144 1284.84 1286.11 Yeah , you got a dozen of 'em . 1285.0 1286.11 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1286.112 1286.496 1286.13 1286.45 No . 1286.45 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1287.344 1290.976 1287.36 1290.92 But when you enter a new market with a remote control and - TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1290.064 1290.808 1290.09 1290.43 Mm-hmm . 1290.43 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1292.272 1295.328 1292.34 1295.29 uh wanna gain market share - TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1295.392 1296.027 1295.41 1295.71 Yeah . 1295.71 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1296.336 1298.608 1296.36 1298.57 you have to do something special , I think . 1298.11 1298.57 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1297.776 1298.384 1297.8 1298.28 Yeah . 1298.28 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1299.315 1316.56 1299.38 1316.56 But we have to keep an eye that it's Uh at the beginning of such a project , it's it's it's very uh cool to talk about , well , this would be cool , that would be cool . Uh but we must not uh lose uh sight of the the user uh uh friendly uh 1304.38 1307.01 1307.78 1308.38 1310.05 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1309.376 1309.648 1309.4 1309.6 Yeah . 1309.6 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1316.557 1321.654 1316.66 1321.53 Yeah , of course . But it's But but this is just from marketing uh aspect . 1316.87 1317.91 1321.53 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 1317.258 1319.571 1317.48 1319.571 And and the price . 1319.46 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1320.704 1323.419 1320.72 1323.38 Yeah okay . Yeah . Okay . 1321.74 1322.7 1323.38 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1322.528 1326.851 1322.55 1326.76 I don't know anything about user interface or design . 1326.76 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 1323.871 1325.382 1323.871 1325.18 Okay . 1325.18 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1326.281 1328.912 1326.281 1328.912 And that's because we have him . 1328.81 TS3007a C MTD026UID 2 1328.32 1332.576 1328.32 1332.576 And and him . 1332.3 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 1329.204 1330.512 1329.4 1330.512 And him . 1329.89 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1332.735 1353.424 1332.84 1353.39 Okay , uh next meeting will start in thirty minutes . So uh you uh will have uh individual actions where I presume uh will be some feedback , uh via the m the mail . Um the the the Industrial uh Designer has to uh look at the working design . 1333.37 1335.94 1343.4 1345.95 1353.39 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1354.56 1363.499 1354.56 1363.31 Uh the User Interface Designer has to look at the technical functions . So that's the thing we uh discussed . Yeah ? 1359.87 1362.83 1363.31 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 1360.427 1373.8 1360.48 1373.8 Yeah . Um one thing uh , we must first agree on uh what we're going to m going to make . Do we Are we going to use um it it for multiple systems ? Or uh We should have some agreement on that before we 1361.09 1363.59 1366.88 1371.05 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1373.13 1376.597 1373.26 1376.2 Okay . Um wha 1374.54 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1375.816 1380.72 1375.816 1380.72 Mm uh I I don't think we have to be , we have to agree on that . Uh 1378.68 1380.19 TS3007a C MTD026UID 2 1382.864 1385.536 1382.88 1385.35 I figure we could get back to it on the next meeting actually . 1385.35 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1383.061 1389.968 1383.11 1389.84 I think th that's a pha Yeah . That's a phase further . Ju just uh 1386.01 1387.91 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 1386.124 1387.096 1386.29 1386.98 Okay . 1386.98 TS3007a C MTD026UID 2 1387.136 1387.584 1387.16 1387.49 Yeah . 1387.49 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1391.024 1396.416 1391.04 1396.416 make some mock-ups , some some general ideas . And and then we can plan 1392.01 1395.12 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 1394.536 1395.777 1394.69 1395.69 Ah okay . 1395.69 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1398.503 1398.896 1398.54 1398.86 Yeah . 1398.86 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1399.024 1399.822 1399.04 1399.39 Yeah . 1399.39 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1400.816 1402.976 1400.84 1402.76 We can plan further , I think . 1402.27 1402.76 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1402.24 1402.748 1402.26 1402.62 Yeah . 1402.62 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1404.144 1418.801 1404.34 1418.801 But maybe , because uh you are working on the user requirements , you are working on the technical functions , we uh must uh have a little or kinda uh uh uh How do you call it ? Uh 1405.14 1408.07 1409.54 1418.17 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 1418.053 1420.351 1418.07 1420.23 Consensus on the , what we're gonna do . 1419.65 1420.23 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1419.76 1429.488 1419.79 1429.45 Uh a little plan on on what we're going to do . So you don't uh uh come up with the user requirements who don't fit the the the the technical functions at all . 1422.23 1429.45 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1431.024 1436.608 1431.04 1436.56 Some basic things we co we want to going to do . Uh I think that's well uh Yeah . 1434.33 1436.56 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1437.6 1438.554 1437.64 1438.36 Will come in handy . 1438.36 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1438.928 1439.926 1439.03 1439.66 Mm yeah . 1439.66 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1443.008 1445.84 1443.09 1445.8 I don't know . You decide . You're the Project Manager . 1443.76 1444.85 1445.8 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 1443.178 1443.614 1443.35 1443.48 Yeah . 1443.48 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1444.432 1445.181 1444.45 1445.08 Okay . 1445.08 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1446.448 1447.8 1446.47 1447.8 W He says - TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 1447.234 1458.498 1447.33 1458.498 Well yeah , if the technical functions have to be designed , I I've gotta know for what kind of machines they will be . Or do we use it a text screen ? Or uh will it be with uh with bluetooth or 1447.88 1450.35 1453.01 1454.9 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1452.224 1452.816 1452.24 1452.64 Yeah . 1452.64 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1457.776 1466.932 1457.89 1466.932 Well , th that's that's really a step further . But if you say uh is it uh uh one way or multi-purpose , that's a 1458.56 1460.27 1466.16 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 1460.296 1461.028 1460.43 1460.96 Okay . 1460.96 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 1465.728 1466.243 1465.76 1466.08 Mm-hmm . 1466.08 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1466.055 1468.301 1466.3 1468.02 Uh tha that's a same step further . 1468.02 TS3007a C MTD026UID 2 1468.576 1469.818 1468.6 1469.68 Yeah , actually it is . 1468.88 1469.68 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1468.709 1469.329 1468.82 1469.13 Why ? 1469.13 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1469.6 1469.84 1469.62 1469.8 Yeah . 1469.8 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1470.784 1471.481 1470.8 1471.07 Why ? 1471.07 TS3007a C MTD026UID 2 1470.814 1474.96 1470.814 1474.9 Then looking at individual components , so that's actually a f step further . 1473.36 1474.9 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1471.805 1472.457 1471.94 1472.07 Uh . 1472.07 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1473.456 1474.032 1473.48 1473.98 Yeah . 1473.98 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1474.336 1474.988 1474.4 1474.74 Yeah . 1474.74 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1475.424 1484.992 1475.44 1484.91 Like we all have a list of uh things that has to b that have to be in it , or how it has to be like . And then in the next meeting we decide 1480.16 1482.67 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1484.112 1484.742 1484.18 1484.64 Yeah . 1484.64 TS3007a C MTD026UID 2 1486.288 1489.744 1486.31 1489.62 Yeah , we can take it from there . Yeah , I agree uh , we can take it from there . 1486.49 1487.8 1487.93 1488.78 1489.62 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1486.576 1488.815 1486.6 1488.61 w what it's gonna be . A 1488.5 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1487.76 1488.542 1487.81 1488.32 Okay . 1488.32 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1489.552 1492.0 1489.73 1491.93 And then you s then you can delete uh - TS3007a C MTD026UID 2 1493.12 1493.824 1493.14 1493.59 Or edit . 1493.59 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1493.264 1495.452 1493.3 1495.37 the o the obsolete uh details . 1495.37 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1494.551 1495.235 1494.57 1495.19 Okay . 1495.19 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1496.16 1511.414 1496.18 1511.12 So uh each individually i individually uh must think on what's uh at uh his point of view is the most important . And uh then we're going to fit uh all the pieces together the next meeting . 1505.41 1511.12 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1496.207 1497.128 1496.28 1496.66 I think . 1496.66 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1505.088 1505.688 1505.11 1505.51 Yeah . 1505.51 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1511.379 1512.023 1511.46 1511.78 Yeah . 1511.78 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1511.414 1520.713 1511.67 1520.48 I must finish off now , so it's over . You uh will receive specific specific instructions uh by your personal coach . And I see you in uh thirty minutes . Thank you . 1512.51 1513.29 1518.25 1519.96 1520.48 TS3007a C MTD026UID 2 1519.712 1520.753 1519.73 1520.61 Okay , cheers . 1520.26 1520.61 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 1519.781 1520.345 1519.84 1520.19 Okay . 1520.19 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 1529.184 1529.696 1529.2 1529.44 Sorry . 1529.44 TS3007a A MTD025PM 0 1531.232 1536.186 1531.232 1535.91 Be careful . 1535.91 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1532.542 1533.329 1532.57 1533.25 Damn . 1533.25 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 1539.56 1540.12 1539.64 1540.08 Yes . 1540.08 TS3007a D MTD028ME 3 1543.472 1545.22 1543.49 1543.49 Success ? 1545.06 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 1543.966 1544.488 1544.06 1544.41 Yeah . 1544.41 TS3007a B MTD027ID 1 1569.022 1570.43 1569.21 1570.3 No . Come up . 1570.08 1570.3 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 2.062 2.575 2.16 2.43 Hello . 2.43 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 3.425 4.608 3.59 4.31 Hey guys . 4.31 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 4.483 14.624 4.52 14.624 Hi . I see my bunny is still standing . No one drawing it . Uh I figured uh that much . 6.64 8.94 10.68 14.55 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 4.856 5.605 4.94 5.5 Hi . 5.5 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 5.411 5.958 5.44 5.91 Hi . 5.91 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 8.32 8.789 8.34 8.73 Yeah . 8.73 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 9.248 10.792 9.45 10.73 It's too beautiful . 10.73 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 10.051 11.29 10.16 11.11 Yeah , true . 10.83 11.11 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 13.629 15.018 13.83 14.43 Too wicked . 14.43 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 15.536 16.72 15.89 16.21 Mm . 16.21 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 22.549 26.704 22.67 26.32 A minute please , my uh laptop is uh oh , there it is , thank you . 23.23 25.34 25.92 26.32 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 44.864 45.712 44.88 45.68 So welcome back . 45.68 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 46.704 50.144 46.704 50.05 At the functional design meeting um - TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 51.36 81.38 51.38 81.25 the plan is uh that uh each one of you , so not me but only you uh will uh present uh the the things you worked on uh the last uh half hour . I will uh take minutes and will put uh the minutes that I have uh at the end of the session in the shared folder . Also the minutes of the previous session are also in the shared folder now , so you can read that uh now or afterwards . Um 55.26 63.24 71.54 77.55 80.63 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 82.864 127.792 82.864 127.55 uh I had an email from the from the management board uh , I don't know if you a al also uh received it , but there were four points uh which uh I think are very important . First one is uh they think that uh teletext teletext becomes outdated uh and internet will be the the main uh focus . Uh second one is also important uh , because it's one of the discussion points of the previous session . Uh the remote control shou should onl only be used for the television , so it uh not gonna it's not gonna be a multi-purpose remote control , so uh that's one thing to keep in mind . 87.57 92.12 97.55 108.29 111.51 115.25 119.37 124.56 127.55 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 127.792 178.35 128.1 178.26 Uh second , and I think that's important for the Marketing uh Expert , uh the current uh customers uh are in the age group group of uh forty years and older , but with this uh new remote uh they uh will uh would like to reach uh a group uh younger than uh forty . Uh and uh I think to keep in mind , but not really uh for now is that they uh want the the the slogan and the and the logo uh to uh to be recognised more in the remote . So , we have uh forty minutes , so I think uh not more than ten minutes uh uh per presentation uh each , and please uh use uh all the the the facilities so that you have either SMARTboards , the the Word files , what you uh whatever you want . So uh 129.03 132.09 138.77 146.63 149.85 159.66 160.37 162.2 168.71 173.42 174.45 177.22 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 179.728 180.72 179.82 180.69 Tim , can you start ? 180.18 180.69 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 182.103 182.959 182.46 182.79 Okay . 182.79 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 182.912 183.2 182.93 183.16 Yeah ? 183.16 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 209.504 217.264 209.52 217.21 'Kay , welcome . I have some uh new findings on uh Marketing Expert level , 209.86 212.2 217.21 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 215.524 216.153 215.62 215.78 Mm-hmm . 215.78 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 218.928 220.064 218.95 220.02 which I will show you . 220.02 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 221.924 237.328 221.924 237.22 The method I used was um giving orders to our usability lab uh to do a questionnaire . Um one hundred respondents were involved 232.2 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 238.816 244.816 238.84 244.78 and my marketing uh department generated a report with a lot of results . 244.78 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 246.464 247.008 246.48 246.94 Um , 246.94 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 249.248 254.144 249.27 254.09 these were a couple of findings , first page of three . Um , 251.37 253.63 254.09 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 255.248 286.192 255.27 286.16 we have three audiences of two audiences , I'm sorry . Uh the first one , this scale , from sixteen to forty five age . Uh the second one is from sixty four uh forty six to sixty five . Um , as you can see here , the market share for the first audience is about sixty percent um sixty five . Uh second audience audience is uh thirty five percent . 258.38 259.47 260.98 262.55 266.93 272.58 273.91 275.05 282.69 286.16 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 287.296 306.496 287.36 306.46 Mm and some interests from the from the age groups , uh it seems like the young users of remote controls really like the fancy uh new technology stuff , like uh an L_C_D_ screen on the remote control , um 292.03 302.19 305.82 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 307.488 308.672 307.51 308.62 speech recognition . 308.62 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 310.608 317.872 310.63 317.83 I don't think that's uh really appropriate . Um , and when you see uh the audience , 313.8 315.26 317.83 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 319.504 321.748 319.56 321.748 the age is going up uh - TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 323.184 327.811 323.2 327.73 Yeah , they don't really want it anymore , at least the new technologies . 323.88 326.21 327.73 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 329.776 337.12 329.8 337.07 Second findings out of the questionnaire um are the opinion - TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 338.206 355.28 338.206 355.23 the opinions uh of the audience about current remote controls . First point is , seventy five percent of the users find the most repo remote controls very ugly , uh and eighty percent of the users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy . 342.61 343.76 349.46 355.23 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 357.12 361.776 357.15 361.73 So that's maybe something for the User Interface uh Designer . 361.73 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 364.565 387.6 364.59 387.57 Okay , third findings . According to the frequency of use versus importance investigation , um following buttons are most important . Um , I will tell something about the way this uh this test was , yeah , done . Um , persons were asked 365.33 366.91 372.6 376.46 377.34 383.13 384.04 385.27 386.39 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 388.608 408.848 388.63 408.81 uh what the buttons were uh they use most , how much an hour , and uh in the second table the importance of those buttons . Um , when you multiply them , you get the these three points . Switching channels , um yeah , 393.35 395.07 400.78 401.31 403.06 405.88 407.52 408.81 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 393.221 393.665 393.28 393.56 Mm-hmm . 393.56 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 410.208 411.12 410.28 411.09 that's pretty uh - TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 413.152 435.016 413.17 434.84 pretty normal , that's what you do with a remote control . Um the second , teletext , uh and the third , uh volume controls . Um , I think it's good uh that we know what the user want wants , uh at least the these three points have to be uh very clear . 414.56 417.01 418.63 420.16 421.28 423.01 424.3 429.58 434.84 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 434.006 440.576 434.32 440.47 But it's strange that the the manage board the management board said that the teletext will be uh outdated by the internet . 440.47 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 441.216 441.792 441.24 441.74 Yeah , okay . 441.44 441.74 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 441.246 442.992 441.27 442.61 So that that's strange . 442.61 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 442.896 447.936 442.92 447.936 Yeah , okay , but uh at the moment uh teletext is 443.12 443.37 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 449.353 458.425 449.41 458.33 Yeah , th the best thing you can get uh on T_V_ , like getting information . So uh , when you ask people , what do they use , 449.79 452.72 454.55 455.91 457.43 458.33 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 452.199 453.1 452.25 453.01 Yeah , okay . 452.6 453.01 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 454.571 455.0 454.64 454.86 Yeah . 454.86 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 459.744 465.056 459.744 465.056 they use teletext and not the internet on a remote control . That's ridiculous . 463.29 464.84 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 460.787 461.469 460.95 461.37 Okay . 461.37 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 462.84 463.648 462.88 463.57 Yeah , okay . 463.21 463.57 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 464.314 464.721 464.4 464.65 Yeah . 464.65 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 466.048 469.695 466.07 469.63 That's a ne i it It's a new technology , but it's not incorporated right now . 468.0 469.63 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 467.935 468.453 468.05 468.38 Yeah . 468.38 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 471.059 473.968 471.08 473.93 Okay , my personal preferences . Um , 471.46 473.43 473.93 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 475.6 480.32 475.67 480.26 I think we should aim at the uh audience from sixteen to forty five . 480.26 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 481.92 495.952 481.95 495.92 Mm , first of all um it's the biggest share , the biggest audience , sixty five percent . Uh second , I think you will get the most revenue from i from it . Um , 482.75 487.46 488.78 490.61 492.05 495.33 495.92 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 497.392 516.608 497.41 516.57 yeah , people from sixteen to forty five watch a lot of T_V_ , more than uh people who are el uh elder . Um second point , we have to impro improve the most used functions , as I said here , switching channels , teletext and volume controls . 497.89 501.11 504.91 508.1 512.36 513.95 515.02 516.57 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 517.657 526.384 517.7 526.34 Third point um that came out of the uh of the questionnaire , uh people used to uh 523.28 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 527.376 541.36 527.44 541.31 get lost off the remote controller , so maybe it's an idea for us uh to design ex kind of placeholder uh on side of the , yeah , of the T_V_ where you can put the the remote control in . 529.85 537.69 538.49 541.31 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 534.096 535.485 534.21 535.41 Yeah , that's a cool idea . 534.62 535.41 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 542.521 543.68 542.521 543.63 Um , 543.63 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 544.72 546.432 544.74 546.4 that's about it , I think . Yeah . 545.71 546.23 546.4 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 546.837 552.624 546.9 552.48 When you mentioned uh improving functions , what uh what do you mean by that what what are you think about ? 549.32 552.48 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 550.933 567.121 551.03 567.121 Uh not not the r not the functions , but uh it came out that a lot of buttons weren't even used uh on a remote control . So you can have a remote control full of buttons , a hundreds hundreds of buttons , but if you don't use them , yeah it's 553.63 560.96 563.38 565.28 566.54 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 554.048 555.838 554.048 555.78 Uh , the funtionability . 554.24 555.78 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 566.349 566.854 566.41 566.66 Yeah . 566.66 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 566.864 569.629 566.88 569.38 Ah okay , so focusing more on the used buttons . 567.6 569.38 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 568.928 579.456 568.95 579.456 Yeah , they have to be on it j just to t to get it done if necessary , but um the most used buttons uh have to be bigger or 569.35 574.02 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 570.624 571.056 570.73 571.02 Yeah . 571.02 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 580.608 589.235 580.8 589.16 Could you use perhaps uh one button for multiple functions , like example pressing it in longer makes it switch to an different function for example . 584.15 589.16 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 588.452 592.048 588.53 592.01 Yeah , perhaps . Just for the minor functions perhaps . 588.88 590.35 592.01 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 590.163 590.817 590.39 590.66 Thank you . 590.66 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 592.144 594.336 592.16 594.3 Yeah , ma perhaps , just just an idea . 592.53 593.13 594.3 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 594.533 599.184 594.59 599.14 Just to get less buttons on the remote control , to make it easier and quicker to learn . 596.82 599.14 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 599.488 599.92 599.51 599.87 Yeah . 599.87 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 600.304 600.512 600.32 600.46 Yeah ? 600.46 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 602.572 603.184 602.64 603.15 'Kay , that's it . 602.81 603.15 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 604.352 605.04 604.4 605.01 Thank you , Tim . 604.68 605.01 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 605.99 607.329 605.99 607.329 Janus , can you uh 606.54 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 606.048 607.832 606.17 607.72 Uh yeah yeah , I'll go , sure . 607.02 607.41 607.72 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 624.208 668.664 624.23 668.18 Right uh , I'll be uh explaining a bit about uh working design about uh the project . Well uh what I did was I dissected uh uh current remote controls and um I viewed how how they w looked , how they worked , uh what kind of components are involved , and how they are connected together . And uh after that I put up a scheme about how uh these things are organised and I'll show it to you in in a in a few seconds . And I'll explain a bit about uh how it works and how we could uh build one and why I think several possibilities uh that we discussed in the earlier meeting falls off . 626.21 631.9 639.56 640.47 643.2 646.46 656.02 668.18 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 668.664 709.059 668.85 708.84 Um right . Uh well what I did was uh I I checked uh remote controls and the uh remote controls of today are all infrared , not like all probably know . And the thing about that is um the remote controls uh have to act as a T_V_ or uh a stereo or something , and those uh have a transmitter that's also focused on infrared , so if we want to uh build uh mm a remote control uh with Bluetooth for instance then uh the T_V_ should have Bluetooth too in order to communicate , so that would mean extra cost for the user and thus uh that's that wouldn't mean a a cheap uh remote control for us . 670.52 677.16 678.89 686.3 690.72 701.17 708.84 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 709.059 753.056 709.29 753.056 So that's probably why most controls are still infrared . Furthermore they all have uh a a very simple structure , so that would probably uh mean lower costs and uh i that could mean for us a good thing uh 'cause uh well we we should be able to build a relatively cheap uh a cheap uh remote . Well uh as I mentioned ready , we have some Bluetooth Well it may be possible , but uh I figured it wouldn't be possible in within our budget , but that's not for me to decide , but that's maybe something for marketing to look into . F because uh well my personal opinion is uh is not to do uh Bluetooth or or radio waves , although 714.1 716.58 732.58 734.04 735.99 740.6 742.02 744.41 752.46 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 753.415 763.203 753.45 763.11 What do you think about uh incorporating Bluetooth or a radio uh receiver uh in the place-holder next to the T_V_ , connected to the T_V_ ? 762.13 763.11 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 763.184 764.689 763.48 764.64 Yeah , actually I have t 763.79 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 764.137 765.759 764.33 765.63 So it's in the wrong product . 765.63 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 766.111 815.802 766.25 815.71 Yeah . Yeah , I actually I figured that would be that would be rather nice , but then you'd still have the uh the infrared function . So in in theory you'd actually just move the problem , but uh what I did uh think about was when you mentioned about the uh the cup-holder , is why not uh introduce a speech function like where is the remote . If somebody says , where is the remote , then it goes uh beep uh beep beep beep or something , I dunno , maybe uh maybe something to look into , I dunno uh what the cost that something like that would be . But it may be uh may be something to explore . Uh I'll I'll just explain a bit of the components . Uh first you have the energy source . The energy source would be a battery , simple uh battery uh that you can find anywhere . I figured that would be best , 'cause when the battery uh stops functioning uh we could just uh use you could just go out and buy a new one . 766.77 766.97 770.33 773.95 777.89 783.64 787.03 787.58 788.46 790.71 791.22 793.25 796.19 799.17 802.46 804.15 805.79 808.51 809.83 815.71 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 773.935 774.474 774.06 774.36 Yeah . 774.36 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 777.136 777.408 777.18 777.37 Yeah . 777.37 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 788.878 792.048 788.878 792.01 Yeah . 792.01 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 815.802 859.243 816.05 858.86 So we didn't and we don't have to do all uh to be too complicated about that . Uh the energy source is connected to the infrared button , but uh the infrared button uh works only via the chip and the subcomponent to uh the switch there is a switch uh between these . When the switch is pressed in a w on this this case it switches a button , when a button is prush pushed in , uh a electric current goes through here , and in uh immediately , a l a bulb lights up uh displaying to the user that something has happened . That's uh that's so the h user won't be um thinking , well uh did the button be pressed , w what happened uh . Or I press button but nothing's happening on the T_V_ , so is is something wrong or something . 821.43 824.8 834.38 837.6 839.17 841.79 843.03 848.56 851.04 852.95 854.4 856.66 858.86 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 859.243 903.233 859.38 902.92 So that's just to uh to to explain the of to to uh make it clearer to the user . Uh w well the signal goes via chip that's translated into uh electric sig uh electronic signals and then it's processed and then it's sent to the infrared bulb where it will be uh uh received on the receiving end . And those uh interpreted by the device , well in this case the television . Uh well my personal preferences here , well we have to keep it simple . Not too many uh gadgets and functions , just like you said uh well the most users n uh you have a lot of buttons and you u u use you don't use them , so why why should we invent uh w spend more time on those . 866.3 880.93 883.4 885.89 888.03 889.61 892.46 898.31 902.92 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 903.233 934.576 903.46 934.576 Uh I I think we should stick by with infrared transmitting and uh no receiving . So uh no input from the television . So I think we shouldn't be uh spending time on um teletext and st things like that , because when you uh want teletext on uh infrared you'd have to build in a receiver too , and so in order to receive the signals from uh what's on T_V_ and such . So I figure that would be uh spending too much money and time and 910.3 913.3 920.63 926.05 931.17 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 934.752 935.312 934.77 935.25 Um , 935.25 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 936.466 938.736 936.56 938.69 yeah , maybe another problem uh , 936.75 938.69 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 939.904 943.91 939.92 943.83 I think current T_V_s can even send infrared . 943.83 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 943.136 996.288 943.35 996.288 Yes , but what should we uh s I I I f I agree with you , but should we spend money or and time on building a receiver into the uh remote control ? 'Cause that would be I mean extra components , extra designs , um larger g uh remote control . These all uh all stuff that we have to take in account . So I I my personal opinion is no no no receiver at all . Um , well we should uh look into the design and the functionability . Like I said , uh use one button for instance for m multiple functions , or well uh just hide the few buttons o of switching it open or something , the usual uh stuff . And uh don't overbuild , we shouldn't make a big uh remote control for simple functions , but we we should stick to the basics . So that was my uh my personal opinion . And that was my uh my presentation uh 943.57 947.07 952.38 954.28 955.16 958.84 962.59 966.81 967.6 970.39 970.99 974.25 978.71 981.28 982.53 987.1 989.86 993.08 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 947.318 947.671 947.41 947.52 Huh . 947.52 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 951.904 952.272 951.94 952.22 Mm-hmm . 952.22 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 954.236 954.708 954.4 954.59 Yeah . 954.59 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 958.496 958.736 958.52 958.69 Yeah . 958.69 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 966.783 967.153 966.83 967.03 Yeah . 967.03 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 996.208 996.664 996.23 996.59 Okay . 996.59 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 996.29 997.342 996.38 997.31 Okay , thank you Janus . 996.63 997.31 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 997.584 1002.192 997.6 1002.14 Yes , I can go ahead . Last presentation . Okay . 998.02 1000.08 1001.51 1002.14 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 998.192 1007.041 998.32 1006.97 You do ? The last presentation . You have plenty of time , Tim and uh Janus don't uh talk to ten minutes , so uh take your time . 999.17 1000.32 1001.77 1005.64 1006.97 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 1008.848 1011.989 1008.87 1011.93 If you take your time too long I will uh eventually uh - TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 1013.28 1013.792 1013.3 1013.75 warn you . 1013.75 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1019.984 1027.501 1020.06 1027.38 Well , I'm going to give a presentation abut some of the technical functions of these design and uh usability functions . 1020.56 1027.38 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1029.328 1083.616 1029.42 1083.616 Um what's my opinion about what's most important to combine the design , technical possibilities and the user friendliness in one , so if you um going to design a remote that looks good , that shouldn't weigh over the uh if it's possible to make , of course , but also the user friendliness , so tha that's that's some of the main points . And another one is um the use um of many functions will will make it more difficult , so use as as little functions as possible or at least don't display them all at once on the same remote . If you have fifty functions you don't want fifty buttons uh t uh to be shown at the same time , 'cause when you visit an internet uh site you don't want fifty links uh to see , but maybe use a hierarch hierarchy uh structure . 1035.19 1038.9 1043.64 1048.02 1048.52 1050.73 1053.96 1061.25 1068.03 1074.26 1078.64 1083.53 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1069.264 1069.568 1069.3 1069.52 Hmm . 1069.52 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1083.616 1107.408 1083.74 1107.37 And uh well one of the ideas was maybe uh use touch screen , but s I don't know in how far that is possible , since we are sticking to uh um infrared and and the remote cannot receive anything , but uh we might uh consider that . Um well , of course I I hope this is all clear to you . If you you can use remote like this with all the functions , 1087.1 1089.75 1097.06 1099.78 1100.59 1104.05 1107.37 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1088.802 1089.325 1088.82 1089.17 Hmm . 1089.17 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1107.996 1138.88 1107.996 1138.85 many functions , but Well , your thumb is a little bigger than th it than this . You have to be very careful what you push , and um if you're looking for teletext you'll be uh searching for half an hour from uh um yeah well , where is it ? Where the hell he here I guess and , yeah , when you have to uh use something else . So just keep it simple , make clear buttons , easy to use . For example if you want to use a play and back and stop , 1109.13 1111.21 1113.52 1116.2 1123.17 1123.82 1127.06 1127.32 1131.12 1132.81 1133.73 1134.85 1138.85 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1139.968 1141.169 1140.03 1141.04 that's very important . 1141.04 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1143.312 1153.488 1143.41 1153.45 Um well this was because of our last discussion , if multiple machines are used , create easy switch between the machines , but um it's no longer uh applying . 1146.12 1148.12 1150.22 1153.45 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1154.48 1157.392 1154.48 1157.34 Well yeah , I prefer to use it only for T_V_ 1155.37 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1158.4 1159.536 1158.42 1159.43 and um - TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1160.944 1169.984 1160.96 1169.984 n uh not to give too many options and and if possible , uh the buttons should give a dr direct action , not first select 1165.9 1168.94 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 1170.432 1190.096 1170.45 1190.06 Uh you you just said um uh you wanted to to combine more functions in one , so uh you you want to keep it simple , but I think that if you want to do that , then you can't escape the the fact that there will be buttons uh which give s uh more options than one . 1178.3 1180.75 1183.33 1190.06 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1178.128 1180.608 1178.15 1180.57 Yeah , and so that's where the difficulties lie . 1178.67 1180.57 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 1178.793 1179.381 1178.92 1179.381 Yeah , but 1179.06 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1190.032 1207.008 1190.05 1206.97 Yeah , this so that's the thing you have to weigh against each other . Do we want to use a few options and might not be so or original , or uh multi-purpose as we thought , or do we want to use um many buttons . So um weighing those factors . 1190.32 1193.34 1198.24 1200.96 1204.05 1206.97 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 1190.272 1191.392 1190.29 1191.392 Yeah . Yeah , but 1190.8 1191.01 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 1198.02 1198.583 1198.11 1198.37 Mm-hmm . 1198.37 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 1200.432 1200.896 1200.45 1200.86 Okay . 1200.86 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 1203.968 1204.38 1204.03 1204.28 Yeah . 1204.28 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1207.328 1213.792 1207.35 1213.75 Hmm it's maybe an option uh if you use an L_C_D_ or a touch screen um , 1213.75 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1214.896 1219.728 1214.98 1219.728 that in the middle are the the main keys , like displayed on the 1217.97 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1221.536 1222.128 1221.75 1222.09 Uh yeah . 1222.09 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1222.672 1223.89 1222.72 1223.78 The doesn't . 1223.78 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1223.083 1223.616 1223.083 1223.616 . 1223.616 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1224.672 1232.336 1224.69 1232.26 Yeah , this ? No ? Yeah . Something like that . Okay , just uh in the middle the general functions , like play , uh 1224.92 1225.65 1226.13 1226.62 1227.76 1228.38 1230.9 1231.58 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1233.456 1242.899 1233.91 1242.78 channel switching , and then uh at the top or at the bottom , some menus like uh settings or that you can drop down . 1235.27 1238.06 1242.78 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1235.008 1235.328 1235.03 1235.29 Yeah . 1235.29 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1242.944 1279.088 1242.96 1279.05 Yeah , but when all the questions I had Do we want to use uh a menu display on the T_V_ ? Or um does have to f everything uh be in remotes ? 'Cause if you use a memory display on the T_V_ , you can simply push uh a more menu and then select the options you want to have and press okay . Uh so that's my recommendation , if you use many options in one buttle button , um display the menu on the T_V_ and don't um use combination of t of two buttons at the same time or pressing buttons three times for five seconds , is too complicated for most users . 1243.23 1248.41 1252.47 1254.62 1262.14 1264.25 1267.57 1276.87 1279.05 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1252.909 1253.448 1252.99 1253.31 Mm . 1253.31 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1263.693 1264.128 1263.76 1264.09 Nah . 1264.09 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1266.575 1266.996 1266.68 1266.93 Mm-hmm . 1266.93 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1269.611 1270.116 1269.71 1269.92 Yeah . 1269.92 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1277.2 1277.6 1277.22 1277.54 Yeah . 1277.54 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1279.072 1298.336 1279.09 1298.3 I think so too , but and that's partly because um uh a lot of T_V_s have different menus , and when you have a particular menu uh at your device , uh it could be that don't correspond to the menu what's actually on T_V_ . 1279.99 1287.67 1292.06 1298.3 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 1279.149 1279.628 1279.17 1279.628 Yeah , but 1279.41 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1298.272 1299.808 1298.29 1299.77 Yeah , that will be a problem . 1298.77 1299.77 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1299.84 1300.128 1299.86 1300.09 Yeah . 1300.09 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 1300.16 1318.352 1300.19 1318.28 Well you d you have to keep in mind that uh several T_V_s uh don't even have a menu structure , or they have a very simple menu structure , so you have to keep in mind that not all uh d not our remote won't be able to work on all televisions . And that would be uh a considerable problem . 1306.66 1308.73 1315.67 1318.28 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1315.28 1315.97 1315.3 1315.82 Yes . 1315.82 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1316.94 1321.6 1316.96 1321.54 So if we have to stick with current technologies and uh - TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1323.04 1324.176 1323.06 1324.13 um - TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1325.248 1334.912 1325.31 1334.86 well yeah , the restrictions of what's uh is on the market today , um you should keep it s at this . Use big clear buttons . Not too many . 1325.78 1329.3 1331.7 1333.74 1334.86 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 1328.528 1329.04 1328.6 1328.98 Yeah . 1328.98 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1335.978 1342.144 1336.07 1342.11 So maybe we'll loose a few option uh options , but I think i this is more important . Um 1338.71 1341.54 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1344.24 1360.742 1344.24 1360.7 especially the important buttons , um if you want to switch channel , change your volume , uh use teletext , it uh it has to work at once and more advanced options may be put it s somewhere away on the remote , behind uh a little uh little thing or a touch screen . 1346.57 1348.62 1349.77 1351.38 1356.98 1360.7 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 1354.571 1355.287 1354.78 1355.25 Not embed - TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 1357.728 1362.395 1357.75 1362.25 Yeah , but then with something like a touch screen could could make more menu up pop up or something . 1358.03 1362.25 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1361.808 1384.776 1361.83 1384.56 And yeah , if you want to uh uh s put on stand-by or change the channel , that should always be possible to do . Not first change menu options or switch something . Um , well yeah , as you already told , give some feedback . If the user is pushing a button he should know if the television or n at least remote is reacting and not just that the batteries may be low . 1362.39 1367.38 1369.01 1373.06 1373.47 1374.13 1375.2 1376.68 1384.56 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 1370.896 1371.264 1370.92 1371.17 Yeah . 1371.17 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 1376.224 1376.624 1376.25 1376.56 Yeah . 1376.56 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1384.776 1428.752 1385.24 1428.72 And um , well , my conclusion is uh is uh less is more , keep it simple . So uh maybe we should just ease down on the functionality to uh to keep it accessible on t because you all know , if there are a lot of function on the the television , some you you'll never know uh and never use , and therefore it's uh important if you want to change the volume or channel that is always accessible and easy and other functions um that are not so important um well you we should consider just not using them or at least putting them somewhere on the remote where they're not in the way for the for the most important functions . 1386.88 1387.71 1390.56 1392.04 1400.42 1403.28 1407.22 1428.72 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1407.216 1407.44 1407.25 1407.41 Yeah . 1407.41 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1429.04 1433.984 1429.07 1433.93 Yeah . Uh , I think the idea uh about uh touch screen 1429.76 1430.62 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1435.008 1438.864 1435.03 1438.83 um is very good . Um , 1437.92 1438.83 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1439.92 1445.088 1439.94 1445.0 because recently uh I saw news item on T_V_ um about - TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1446.288 1461.713 1446.31 1461.6 uh new telephones uh for elder people . Um , they have like a touch screen with uh really big pictures on it like uh uh call uh hang-up , um 1450.27 1450.78 1461.15 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1463.2 1467.152 1463.22 1467.09 and that's a big ad advantage I think , because 1466.51 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1468.432 1470.224 1468.46 1470.18 one the one hand uh - TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1471.82 1481.296 1471.84 1481.21 you make the remote control compatible for elder users just by uh scaling up the pictures or something . It's uh 1480.12 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 1479.856 1480.312 1479.89 1480.18 Mm-hmm . 1480.18 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1482.448 1485.04 1482.47 1484.99 very visual intended . 1484.99 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1488.192 1489.92 1488.192 1489.87 What was I to say more ? 1489.87 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1490.464 1518.8 1490.48 1518.72 Maybe that's an option . Um keep the primary buttons visible . Uh make a remote that fits easily in the hands and for some design issues uh well , put a logo on it and maybe use it uh in some aesthetic uh aesthetic form . But uh th the important buttons m make them always accessible and pushable and clear and maybe use a touch screen , or if that's uh will become too difficult just uh 1492.1 1495.16 1499.81 1505.51 1513.78 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1494.736 1495.056 1494.76 1495.02 Yeah . 1495.02 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1520.144 1533.142 1520.3 1533.142 like televi some o older telephones use a l uh maybe it's possible to to flip them open and uh just expand the number of options that are normally visible . Um 1532.54 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1532.16 1535.824 1532.19 1535.77 Yeah okay , but but if you pick the the idea , the left idea 1532.77 1535.06 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1536.144 1536.496 1536.16 1536.43 Yeah . 1536.43 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1536.848 1540.176 1536.87 1540.14 then what's gonna be displayed on the touch screen ? 1540.14 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 1540.528 1541.6 1540.56 1541.54 The extra functions . 1541.54 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1541.568 1555.216 1541.6 1555.18 The extra functions , you uh you just see a menu from system functions or teletext functions , and you just choose one , and then all all the options will become available and you just c s yeah t scroll through them . 1542.57 1547.87 1549.75 1555.18 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1542.406 1544.569 1542.47 1544.569 Yeah , but l like menu functions or 1542.75 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 1544.93 1545.351 1544.97 1545.23 Yeah . 1545.23 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1550.044 1550.7 1550.16 1550.63 Ah okay . 1550.63 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 1555.68 1574.768 1555.68 1574.73 Wouldn't it be better to make just one big touch screen , uh one one small uh touch screen uh applet and uh I'll just make um uh let's say fifteen buttons on it , and uh we have three of those , uh actually just uh menus with sub-menus , with or sub-items , sub-functions . 1559.17 1566.7 1568.73 1572.65 1573.96 1574.73 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1558.656 1559.887 1558.68 1559.76 Yeah , I think so . 1559.14 1559.76 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1573.92 1574.388 1573.94 1574.22 Yeah . 1574.22 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1573.978 1576.736 1574.05 1576.7 Well um then I'd like to make a proposal . 1576.7 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1581.12 1583.072 1581.14 1583.02 If you make one big touch screen , 1583.02 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 1583.072 1583.744 1583.09 1583.64 Yes . 1583.64 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1584.178 1592.448 1584.21 1592.41 use the same concept as here , keep the buttons always available and use the lower part of the touch screen for the rest . 1585.67 1592.41 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 1586.56 1586.912 1586.59 1586.88 Yeah . 1586.88 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1587.704 1588.224 1587.9 1588.19 Yeah . 1588.19 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 1592.48 1607.504 1592.52 1607.38 Yeah , yeah , like like the iPod idea that that we just saw . You just have a f a few selected buttons and uh a few menus , and with this idea you could actually make uh several you can also improve uh later on . 1592.91 1593.15 1596.64 1601.56 1607.38 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1592.561 1593.211 1592.58 1592.99 Yeah . 1592.99 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1595.17 1595.869 1595.19 1595.869 Yeah . 1595.49 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1607.816 1608.495 1607.93 1608.28 Yes . 1608.28 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 1610.24 1612.688 1610.46 1612.65 Uh uh I think that will be great . 1612.65 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1612.8 1613.328 1612.82 1613.28 Okay . 1613.28 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 1613.296 1617.52 1613.32 1617.49 So you think it's will be better to have a t kinda total touch screen . 1617.49 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1617.44 1618.5 1617.47 1618.3 Yeah , I think so . 1617.76 1618.3 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 1618.24 1620.114 1618.26 1620.114 Yeah , I wou I would actually go for the 1618.53 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 1619.542 1620.064 1619.72 1620.03 Jirun ? 1620.03 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1620.0 1631.168 1620.08 1631.13 Okay , I agree , but I think it's very important that they always um make the same buttons accessible , so use just for special options a part of the touch screen . 1620.55 1621.05 1627.76 1631.13 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1631.184 1632.097 1631.21 1631.94 Yeah , of course . 1631.44 1631.94 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 1631.462 1631.967 1631.53 1631.86 Yeah . 1631.86 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 1632.126 1632.597 1632.2 1632.51 Yeah . 1632.51 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1632.222 1653.793 1632.27 1653.69 And so um an elder designer picks up th the of an elder parents or grandparent picks up the remote from the little child and who's all in the systems functions , you'll have to have the possibility to turn off the T_V_ or to switch the channel without um well using all the menu structures to get back to the primary functions . 1643.16 1653.69 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 1637.883 1638.882 1638.02 1638.75 Yeah yeah yeah . 1638.75 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 1653.675 1654.144 1653.79 1654.11 Yeah . 1654.11 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1654.288 1661.424 1654.61 1661.39 Yeah , I had another uh idea about maybe parental control . Um , 1654.93 1660.79 1661.39 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1660.144 1660.56 1660.18 1660.5 Mm-hmm . 1660.5 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1662.88 1678.944 1662.9 1678.944 like building in uh some kind of PIN code uh which allows uh parents to switch to all channels , uh but children uh if children don't don't know the PIN code , they can't switch to uh violent uh channels or 1670.69 1675.95 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1670.32 1670.608 1670.34 1670.53 Yeah . 1670.53 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1675.744 1676.332 1675.77 1676.11 Yeah wh - TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1677.892 1679.828 1677.91 1679.73 Is that possible to use or no ? 1679.73 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 1679.32 1684.066 1679.41 1684.066 That is possible , that well that actually depends on the television , but I think I figure that would be 1680.35 1682.43 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1680.685 1681.889 1680.81 1681.889 Th there's just - TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1682.566 1685.623 1682.73 1685.54 Well , yeah well , does it have to depend on the television ? 1683.13 1683.71 1685.54 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1684.085 1687.12 1684.2 1687.07 Ju just a simple log-in , something like that . 1686.31 1687.07 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 1686.508 1709.92 1686.55 1709.82 Well , y you s you see the fi uh thing is when you buy a remote , you you set the uh channels , the the channels are different on each te television , they aren't set in a preset order , so uh if you uh lock on a remote , uh let's say channel fifteen , well channel fifteen on this television is different than channel fifteen on the other television , so that would be uh that would be actually the main concern . 1687.43 1690.97 1693.79 1696.71 1698.83 1701.16 1703.06 1707.3 1709.82 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 1687.172 1687.66 1687.24 1687.54 Yeah . 1687.54 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1693.6 1693.901 1693.62 1693.82 Yeah . 1693.82 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1696.589 1697.253 1696.84 1697.05 Yeah . 1697.05 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1702.736 1703.072 1702.76 1703.02 Mm-hmm . 1703.02 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1706.241 1707.264 1706.34 1707.01 Yeah , okay . 1706.68 1707.01 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 1708.431 1710.484 1708.57 1710.37 Yeah . Yeah . 1709.95 1710.37 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1709.248 1731.943 1709.3 1731.943 Well , I think that he means that um maybe by some option uh make sure that um remote control and the T_V_ match , and then after that you can um use some s insert some passwords as being apparent that the children cannot use this uh change the settings of the T_V_ , like colour and then volume and uh 1709.88 1718.89 1728.83 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1727.088 1727.36 1727.11 1727.32 Yeah . 1727.32 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1731.472 1744.304 1731.49 1744.25 Yeah , th that kind of stuff , but maybe um if you log in first as a parent um , you address the the channels and like uh oh , that's channel fifteen , that's uh 1731.76 1732.72 1738.86 1742.45 1743.48 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1736.448 1737.071 1736.48 1737.02 Mm-hmm . 1737.02 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 1740.619 1741.208 1740.68 1741.03 Yes . 1741.03 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1745.408 1754.208 1745.5 1754.17 vi violent channel , uh m my ki my kids uh I don't want my kids to watch that , then you set the priority to only parents , 1746.99 1751.1 1754.17 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1746.736 1748.099 1746.8 1747.98 Oh , something like that . 1747.1 1747.98 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 1746.746 1747.31 1746.92 1747.22 Yes . 1747.22 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 1750.336 1750.8 1750.42 1750.77 Yeah . 1750.77 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 1754.167 1756.271 1754.28 1756.22 Yeah . Yeah , that would b 1755.38 1755.71 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 1754.592 1756.089 1754.63 1755.89 Okay , yeah . 1755.3 1755.89 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1755.229 1764.797 1755.31 1764.797 Well b but make it a separate option in the menu , so that it's it's dif dis displayed from uh displayed here , so uh parents uh 1759.51 1763.27 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1755.472 1757.296 1755.61 1757.296 for example . But 1757.03 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 1758.699 1759.952 1758.699 1759.85 Yeah , that . 1759.56 1759.85 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1760.128 1763.01 1760.15 1762.95 Yeah okay , but but yeah , that's just 1760.62 1762.39 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1763.952 1765.536 1763.97 1765.5 that's an a an added feature . 1765.5 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 1764.708 1765.263 1764.93 1765.19 Yeah . 1765.19 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 1765.629 1811.136 1765.72 1811.1 Okay . But let's not uh go too wide about the those things , that's that why we're here . It's it's a nice idea , but I think that's we wel later in the stage . I've one little question about um a total touch screen or uh um a p yeah , a partial , uh because I think uh elderly people may be uh not used to uh a touch screen , so they want the the the normal functions like teletext , volume changing , um uh to be uh , yeah , kinda traditionals uh and uh the the the the other functions , the more difficult functions uh to be uh maybe on the touch screen , but to keep this as uh normal as possible , to keep it accessible . 1766.46 1769.87 1771.22 1772.45 1775.29 1782.17 1783.31 1789.27 1792.11 1793.5 1795.98 1796.3 1802.34 1806.88 1809.99 1811.1 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1770.0 1773.33 1770.03 1773.33 Yeah , th th those things are nice . 1770.21 1772.83 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1781.072 1781.6 1781.09 1781.55 Partial . 1781.55 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1793.517 1793.946 1793.61 1793.78 Yeah . 1793.78 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1802.4 1802.86 1802.42 1802.69 Mm-hmm . 1802.69 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1810.4 1815.76 1810.45 1815.73 Yeah , but but if you display it on L_C_D_ screen with r r really big numbers 1810.63 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1816.24 1821.752 1816.26 1821.59 Yeah , you can de display it on the on the old style . You can display actual buttons on the touch screens . 1816.51 1819.24 1821.59 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1817.744 1820.276 1817.76 1820.18 that's just as e just as easy . 1820.18 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 1818.498 1819.862 1818.58 1819.862 Uh . I I do 1819.21 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 1819.459 1822.452 1819.78 1822.23 Yeah . Yeah , that's true , that's true . 1820.98 1821.36 1821.87 1822.23 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 1821.384 1834.144 1821.54 1834.144 Uh I do agree , because well , it's just not the same when you touch a touch screen or when you touch a button , but well we have to look at what's our target uh audience . W we are aiming for younger people and they they chose 1822.46 1823.24 1826.44 1830.49 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1821.529 1822.01 1821.55 1821.8 Yeah . 1821.8 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1825.602 1826.528 1825.63 1826.37 Yeah , okay . 1825.99 1826.37 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1826.456 1827.415 1826.48 1827.25 Yeah , it's different . 1826.75 1827.25 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 1830.532 1831.045 1830.61 1830.86 Yeah . 1830.86 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 1832.781 1838.369 1832.92 1838.3 Yeah , that's true , yeah . Yeah , yeah yeah , yeah , that's a good point . Yep . 1833.19 1834.02 1835.46 1835.73 1836.23 1836.67 1838.06 1838.3 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1832.956 1835.52 1833.0 1835.48 Yeah , age b below forty . 1834.18 1835.48 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 1836.176 1839.502 1836.22 1839.502 So that's that's probably uh a - TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1838.56 1844.816 1838.58 1844.816 And th those young people , yeah . Y you saw it in my marketing report , they like the new fancy stuff , so 1839.93 1840.47 1842.97 1844.43 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 1840.619 1841.25 1840.77 1841.06 Mm-hmm . 1841.06 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 1843.842 1846.581 1843.91 1846.5 They like the fancy stuff , yeah . That's true . 1845.18 1845.84 1846.5 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1845.824 1854.688 1845.84 1854.57 A touch screen , like Microsoft al already developed something like that for uh uh multi-media applications . 1846.59 1854.57 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 1849.535 1850.309 1849.66 1850.25 Mm-hmm . 1850.25 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 1857.104 1857.648 1857.21 1857.648 Mm - TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1857.184 1858.976 1857.21 1858.91 I th I think we can do that too . 1858.91 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 1859.344 1859.744 1859.4 1859.7 Yeah . 1859.7 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 1861.488 1868.576 1861.51 1868.54 Okay , as you can see uh the minutes from the second meeting , this one , are uh are done . 1861.9 1864.7 1865.83 1868.54 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1867.056 1867.504 1867.21 1867.46 Done . 1867.46 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 1871.754 1894.944 1871.77 1894.944 Uh I've uh added the this uh four things from the management board just to keep in mind . Um each time I uh I had a sort of uh summary on what you told and uh what you personal think . Uh so that can be uh can be read out . Uh a f a few things I uh I noticed uh were um 1877.55 1886.56 1889.77 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1876.944 1877.344 1876.97 1877.3 Mm-hmm . 1877.3 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 1897.008 1898.75 1897.03 1898.62 Moment . Ooh . 1898.48 1898.62 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 1912.578 1961.748 1912.65 1961.62 Uh th the the main points in uh this uh uh in this uh meeting is I think uh how uh it's going to look uh with uh we must keep it simple , but have the opportunity to uh have more options and have them uh hidden or something , so they don't uh you don't have a big uh thing full of uh buttons or uh um and uh the point that uh you uh wanna use one uh controller uh for uh uh hypothetically each television , so you must uh the the the the functions , know , like the menus or the the parental control must be all uh by the done by the remote control and not by the television . I think that's the point what uh 1927.38 1933.51 1949.38 1952.05 1952.19 1960.01 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1961.376 1961.76 1961.41 1961.72 Mm-hmm . 1961.72 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1962.613 1963.126 1962.63 1962.94 Yes . 1962.94 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 1962.61 1963.376 1962.64 1963.34 we discussed . 1963.34 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1962.768 1971.576 1962.9 1971.42 Yeah , yeah , some of them . The menus uh are not identical for all th for all T_V_s , so you have to display it on one uh T_V_ . 1963.36 1963.89 1965.06 1969.63 1971.42 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 1970.629 2001.104 1970.65 2000.92 Well you can use um when you uh how do you call it , s um synchronized , the um remote and the T_V_ , then there's always , there are always uh possibilities to change the colour and the brightness and the volume and um well maybe we can look out if there's options that the remote um in its memory can see what kinda T_V_ it is , from ah , it's a Philips , this and this and that , and then give the options that are capable the capable from the t 1975.2 1977.63 1980.09 1981.35 1993.42 1993.85 1994.93 1995.72 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1979.18 1980.737 1979.27 1980.62 Yeah , but that's not possible . 1979.44 1980.62 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 1985.292 1986.4 1985.4 1986.37 Mm-hmm , mm yeah . 1985.82 1986.37 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 2000.089 2007.251 2000.15 2007.251 Yeah , but you have uh uh an yeah , but you have an international market range , so you have I think a big range of 2000.39 2002.71 2004.9 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2000.624 2003.01 2000.77 2002.8 Add th that that's an opportunity . 2002.8 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2006.007 2018.24 2006.05 2018.21 Well there are universal d um um remotes and they all have a functionality for all the T_V_s , uh so this wouldn't be a extra feature to incorporate the men menus of these . 2013.64 2018.21 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 2010.079 2010.533 2010.19 2010.45 Yeah . 2010.45 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2014.4 2014.94 2014.42 2014.81 Yeah . 2014.81 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 2014.483 2015.131 2014.63 2015.07 Okay . 2015.07 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2015.296 2015.84 2015.37 2015.84 But they - TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2016.299 2016.702 2016.42 2016.702 But - TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 2017.471 2019.381 2017.5 2019.31 And it's not too complex to do it . 2019.31 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2020.08 2048.738 2020.1 2048.738 Well they uh they all have to be programmed to fit your T_V_ and that that is bit of a tricky job . I actually use one of those when They are they are kinda kinda troublesome , but but the thing is whe when you uh start uh building something like this you have to build a receiver into the uh t into the remotes , because uh in order for the remote to process something from the T_V_ , like uh to synchronise and you have to send and receive , and that's well 2026.16 2030.93 2039.54 2043.4 2047.71 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2020.116 2020.512 2020.24 2020.44 No . 2020.44 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 2023.6 2023.936 2023.62 2023.9 Yeah . 2023.9 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2026.1 2026.543 2026.13 2026.47 Yeah . 2026.47 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2043.192 2044.384 2043.26 2044.384 Yeah . Well 2044.07 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2045.187 2045.557 2045.22 2045.39 Yeah . 2045.39 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2046.848 2052.222 2046.88 2051.93 Mm-hmm . Oh um mo no , you can just say uh the c 2047.83 2049.69 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2048.608 2049.312 2048.63 2049.27 No no no . 2049.27 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2049.834 2064.631 2049.834 2064.34 He he he he me he means just just one other thing . Uh , with the current remote controls , the universal ones , um you have to press yeah , you have to press a code for T_V_ . 2053.9 2055.27 2057.28 2058.97 2062.58 2064.34 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 2050.273 2051.473 2050.34 2051.37 Just build it in . 2051.37 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2053.616 2053.936 2053.64 2053.9 Yeah . 2053.9 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2056.96 2057.328 2056.98 2057.29 Yeah . 2057.29 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2058.432 2058.944 2058.5 2058.91 Yes . 2058.91 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2061.472 2074.624 2061.51 2074.58 In codes , y you you get a b a book with codes . You look up , I have a Philips H_ fifty five and it says press code four five five and you press code four five five on the uh in the remote and it displays all your uh menu options . 2062.13 2064.56 2065.11 2074.58 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2066.624 2067.171 2066.8 2067.0 Yeah . 2067.0 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2067.264 2067.695 2067.3 2067.57 Yeah . 2067.57 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2068.288 2070.134 2068.31 2070.134 Oh , okay , yeah , sure , uh 2068.37 2068.95 2069.13 2069.71 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2071.376 2072.127 2071.4 2072.06 Yeah yeah yeah . 2072.06 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2074.544 2077.072 2074.56 2076.85 Oh , yeah yeah , sure , that would be possible , yeah . 2074.89 2075.39 2075.69 2076.65 2076.85 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2076.208 2076.518 2076.23 2076.48 Yeah . 2076.48 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2077.469 2096.576 2077.5 2096.49 Now we uh just connect uh the T_V_ type uh to a set of options , in just just in the memory , so that if you yeah , like profile , so that if you uh touch in like uh one four one zero kind of T_V_ uh 2084.79 2087.13 2088.62 2089.55 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2083.888 2086.399 2083.91 2086.22 Memory in the in the remote . 2086.22 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 2085.271 2085.873 2085.31 2085.76 Yep . 2085.76 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2086.646 2087.216 2086.69 2087.18 Profiles . 2087.18 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2094.08 2094.544 2094.1 2094.51 Yeah . 2094.51 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2098.128 2100.432 2098.16 2100.35 the memory uh - TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2101.568 2102.688 2101.59 2102.64 pops up the options . 2102.64 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2102.864 2105.312 2103.02 2105.25 Yeah . Yeah , that would be possible . Yeah , sure . 2103.49 2103.72 2104.78 2104.91 2105.25 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 2103.465 2103.983 2103.59 2103.95 Okay . 2103.95 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2105.68 2112.224 2105.7 2112.19 I th don't think that's uh that takes a lot of storage space or some just varia variables . 2112.19 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2109.84 2111.173 2109.87 2111.173 No , that wouldn't be uh 2110.25 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2112.352 2114.23 2112.38 2114.08 Yeah , a few variables . 2112.96 2114.08 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2112.404 2131.564 2112.46 2131.2 Yeah , well um if you look at the um manuals from universal uh remotes , there are maybe um three four hundreds T_V_s at maximum . If you have all of them , all the old and new T_V_s summed up , so uh I think uh it is possible . 2112.94 2118.89 2124.03 2125.56 2128.05 2131.2 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2119.108 2119.521 2119.18 2119.43 Mm-hmm . 2119.43 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2122.85 2123.447 2122.96 2123.18 Yeah . 2123.18 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2122.993 2123.425 2123.08 2123.37 Yeah . 2123.37 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2130.376 2132.363 2130.51 2132.15 Ah it is . It is definitely po 2131.11 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2131.136 2141.28 2131.16 2141.28 But , on the other hand on the other hand , uh if you have a remote and buy a new T_V_ that isn't incorporated in the remote 2131.75 2135.2 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 2132.688 2134.192 2132.71 2134.16 We have five minutes to go . 2134.16 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2137.375 2137.788 2137.45 2137.75 Yeah . 2137.75 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2141.376 2144.148 2141.4 2144.0 Well then you have to buy a new one , it's very good for marketing 2142.72 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2143.664 2144.512 2143.68 2144.45 New remote ? 2144.45 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2145.088 2147.497 2145.11 2147.41 Maybe , or an update , software update . 2145.54 2146.5 2147.41 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2147.06 2150.432 2147.13 2150.4 A firmware upgrade or something , but from where ? 2149.63 2150.4 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2148.366 2149.864 2148.4 2149.79 Firmware update , you say . 2149.2 2149.79 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2148.502 2149.949 2148.72 2149.86 Yeah , firmware upgrade . 2149.01 2149.86 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2151.536 2151.872 2151.56 2151.81 Ah . 2151.81 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2152.88 2154.28 2152.99 2154.17 Maybe w - TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2153.568 2156.216 2153.59 2156.09 That's maybe the cup holder . Yeah . 2155.91 2156.09 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2155.008 2166.992 2155.05 2166.93 No m may no , maybe we can incorporate some kind of uh U_S_B_ or a firewire connection , so that you can uh connect it to the P_C_ and download the newest firmware from uh from the internet . 2156.46 2161.68 2166.93 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2155.584 2155.952 2155.6 2155.92 Yeah . 2155.92 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2166.96 2173.283 2166.98 2173.283 Well , not everybody has uh has uh a P_C_ at home . Well the most most people have , but not not everybody and 2167.19 2170.04 2171.92 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2171.696 2175.49 2171.72 2175.49 Well , at uh you can go back to the shop and uh they 2172.3 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2174.48 2176.916 2174.5 2176.75 Yeah , like a s kind of service centre . 2174.92 2176.75 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2175.014 2175.578 2175.11 2175.52 Yeah . 2175.52 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2176.48 2179.664 2176.5 2179.6 Yeah , ser o and they can download it for you . 2176.72 2179.6 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2177.078 2189.489 2177.19 2189.18 Yeah , maybe something like service cen Or you could well you could s actually look at the place-holder you talked about earlier , and you could probably uh make a connection to uh an telephone line or a internet connection . 2177.47 2183.08 2189.18 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2178.117 2178.766 2178.23 2178.54 Yeah . 2178.54 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2183.198 2183.616 2183.24 2183.57 Mm-hmm . 2183.57 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2187.66 2202.976 2187.73 2202.976 Yeah . Well already digital information is sent t to the the standards , T_V_ uh connections , you can see what's uh programme is on on the new uh channels , so maybe j they we can send that information along with standard T_V_ uh 2188.25 2192.77 2195.01 2198.69 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2193.652 2194.16 2193.69 2194.11 Yeah . 2194.11 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2203.056 2218.144 2203.08 2218.144 Well then then it's be uh back to the building a receiving uh well uh if it's actually worth it to build it in , we could actually look at into it , but I dunno , it it would be uh bringing more costs uh with with it and 2211.45 2212.96 2214.05 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2206.352 2208.032 2206.42 2208.0 Receiving . Oh yeah . 2207.51 2208.0 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2208.048 2208.336 2208.07 2208.3 Yeah . 2208.3 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2212.256 2212.64 2212.29 2212.6 Yeah . 2212.6 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2215.294 2215.886 2215.32 2215.71 Difficult . 2215.71 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2218.176 2218.544 2218.2 2218.51 Yeah . 2218.51 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2218.56 2220.352 2218.65 2220.32 I I think it's uh - TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2221.84 2228.18 2221.86 2227.96 most cheap or cheapest to just do the updates uh at the service centre or at the shop . 2227.96 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2226.702 2228.56 2226.75 2228.53 Yeah , that would be probably best , yeah . 2227.09 2228.2 2228.53 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2226.771 2230.583 2226.8 2230.53 Yeah yeah , uh s I think some I think it's good idea , yeah . 2227.84 2230.23 2230.53 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 2228.395 2228.704 2228.47 2228.66 Yeah . 2228.66 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2229.553 2232.094 2229.6 2232.094 Like when you when you buy a T_V_ you just ask well I'll - TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2231.36 2239.102 2231.43 2238.99 It's it's it's not a lot of work , just one uh docking station where you put it in , press start , bling bling , updated . 2233.6 2236.83 2237.68 2238.44 2238.99 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2236.333 2236.838 2236.44 2236.75 Yeah . 2236.75 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2239.104 2240.425 2239.13 2240.36 Yeah , that would be best , yeah . 2239.4 2240.11 2240.36 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2239.981 2240.896 2240.0 2240.84 Yeah . Yeah . 2240.64 2240.84 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2240.112 2244.168 2240.13 2244.06 Yeah . You don't buy a T_V_ every week , new teev so . 2240.87 2242.61 2244.06 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2241.988 2245.172 2242.21 2245.172 Okay , let's uh save this in the meanwhile uh 2242.81 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2242.56 2244.513 2242.6 2244.513 No no . Exactly , so 2243.61 2244.26 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2257.76 2261.856 2257.83 2261.71 Um m for which one are we going ? My mistake . 2261.19 2261.71 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2261.52 2262.656 2261.65 2262.2 Let's vote . 2262.2 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2263.328 2264.624 2263.36 2264.624 That one or uh - TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2264.944 2266.928 2265.02 2266.65 Yeah , my vote goes out to the right . 2265.23 2266.65 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2267.472 2270.368 2267.49 2270.32 Your vote and your Okay . 2270.32 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2268.114 2268.768 2268.18 2268.72 My vote too . 2268.72 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 2269.337 2269.808 2269.41 2269.69 Yeah . 2269.69 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2271.12 2271.936 2271.14 2271.67 And your vote ? 2271.67 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2272.112 2286.671 2272.13 2286.52 Well , I was uh doubting about which one to take , but uh you've convinced me that uh if you di display buttons about the same as they would look on a normal um remote all elderly people will know what to do . 2272.61 2275.66 2286.52 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2279.792 2280.048 2279.81 2280.01 Yeah . 2280.01 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 2282.687 2283.088 2282.76 2283.05 Yeah . 2283.05 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2286.624 2289.872 2286.67 2289.82 And also like a clapping uh - TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2290.88 2293.824 2290.9 2293.76 li like device that uh pops open . 2293.76 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2292.736 2295.104 2292.76 2295.104 Opens up is too difficult or uh - TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2292.771 2294.012 2293.16 2293.73 Flips open . 2293.73 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2295.056 2299.904 2295.08 2299.87 Uh too difficult , um maybe uh it's easier to break it . 2296.29 2299.87 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 2300.166 2300.576 2300.24 2300.54 N yeah . 2300.54 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2301.509 2302.771 2301.58 2302.771 Break it , I don't get 2302.12 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2302.288 2304.608 2302.39 2304.608 Yeah , th th th that i uh 2302.81 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2306.848 2309.419 2306.848 2309.34 Yeah . 2309.34 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 2307.769 2308.982 2307.79 2308.92 It's very sensitive . 2308.92 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2308.904 2310.384 2309.01 2310.33 Oh so Yeah . 2310.33 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2310.544 2313.024 2310.56 2312.98 Like my telephone , it's uh it's sensitive too . 2311.56 2312.98 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 2313.104 2313.509 2313.12 2313.42 Yeah . 2313.42 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2313.488 2313.728 2313.51 2313.68 Yeah . 2313.68 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 2315.344 2333.856 2315.36 2333.81 Okay well uh it's almost at the end . So we have now a lunch break , finally , yeah . Uh after the lunch break uh it's back to uh individual work , once again uh thirty minutes . Uh I will put my minutes uh I have updated them so uh s they're updated in the shared folder too . 2317.4 2319.34 2320.27 2321.51 2326.06 2328.27 2333.81 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2319.44 2320.189 2319.46 2320.07 Ah . 2320.07 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2333.84 2334.8 2333.86 2334.77 Thirty minutes ? 2334.77 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 2335.344 2336.656 2335.36 2336.656 Thirty minutes , the 2336.04 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2336.592 2342.784 2336.61 2342.784 How minutes ? 2342.63 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 2340.256 2364.288 2340.29 2364.25 Failure . Uh uh the specifi uh specific instructions for the next uh meeting you will all will receive uh at the uh the the email . I don't think I can uh say much about it , so uh uh wait for your email and uh hopefully you get it done uh in the in the thirty minutes , and I w will see you after the lunch break and the thirty minutes . Yeah ? 2341.16 2350.98 2353.06 2360.23 2363.97 2364.25 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2363.248 2368.464 2363.27 2368.29 One question , uh how late do we have to get back be back here ? 2364.51 2368.29 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 2369.376 2373.293 2369.4 2373.18 Uh well uh thirty minutes . 2373.18 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2373.808 2375.383 2373.95 2375.32 A quarter to one maybe ? 2375.32 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 2374.077 2375.456 2374.7 2375.42 Uh , yeah . 2375.07 2375.42 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2375.744 2376.864 2375.76 2376.82 Thirty minutes lunch break ? 2376.82 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 2377.136 2378.464 2377.2 2378.43 Thirty minutes lunch break , yeah . 2378.2 2378.43 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2379.152 2379.616 2379.17 2379.56 Okay . 2379.56 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2379.536 2381.84 2379.56 2381.81 I thought forty five . Yeah . 2381.6 2381.81 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 2379.458 2380.05 2379.63 2379.95 Oh . 2379.95 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 2381.008 2392.656 2381.03 2392.656 Forty five ? Uh then would it be uh one o'clock . Or we we ask our personal coach . Okay . Thank you . Thank you , uh that was a very uh good session I think , we uh we 2381.99 2384.47 2386.88 2388.18 2388.94 2389.59 2391.91 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2383.808 2385.248 2383.83 2385.1 Yeah . Okay . 2384.81 2385.1 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2386.416 2389.228 2386.44 2389.228 Yeah . 2389.01 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2391.716 2394.889 2391.74 2394.889 Yeah , is it possible to store this on the share documents or what 2391.96 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2393.262 2393.927 2393.37 2393.76 Yeah , me too . 2393.55 2393.76 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 2394.259 2395.712 2394.32 2395.712 Uh ye well - TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2396.096 2396.832 2396.12 2396.8 Save as . 2396.8 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 2397.344 2404.901 2397.39 2404.901 Yeah , because uh all uh things are uh stored in smart board dot uh X_D_K_ and that's in 2397.8 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2402.336 2402.976 2402.36 2402.73 Yeah , v 2402.69 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2403.968 2409.424 2404.0 2409.39 But but you can open a from your pr from your laptop . Yeah , maybe . Save as . 2407.84 2408.1 2408.76 2409.39 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2406.51 2408.445 2406.55 2408.31 'Kay , save it as an image on the res 2406.74 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2413.585 2416.118 2413.7 2416.04 Export . Maybe not export function . 2414.63 2416.04 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2413.744 2414.016 2413.8 2413.98 No . 2413.98 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 2413.653 2414.207 2413.81 2414.1 No . 2414.1 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2415.606 2416.352 2415.64 2416.21 Export . 2416.21 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 2417.385 2419.11 2417.44 2419.11 Well I can I can uh - TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2417.509 2420.048 2417.79 2419.71 Export H_T_M_L_ . 2419.71 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2419.968 2422.176 2420.0 2422.13 No , and use an image if possible . 2420.49 2422.13 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2422.796 2423.904 2422.83 2423.87 Huh , image ? 2423.46 2423.87 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2423.872 2424.608 2423.94 2424.39 J_ PEG . 2424.39 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2424.656 2426.352 2424.656 2426.16 G_ yeah , J_ PEG . 2425.69 2426.16 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2426.304 2428.192 2426.32 2428.12 J_ PEG . Yeah , it's better 2427.34 2427.69 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2428.592 2435.298 2428.61 2435.24 Paper size A_ four . Uh screen size . 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No . 2451.9 2452.24 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2452.624 2454.976 2452.65 2454.77 I'll just uh saved in my documents . 2454.77 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2455.792 2456.512 2455.81 2456.512 Oh . 2456.32 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2456.526 2459.934 2456.66 2459.82 Yeah in my own uh in my own messenger . 2459.82 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2461.664 2462.032 2461.68 2462.0 Yeah . 2462.0 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 2463.409 2466.088 2463.48 2466.088 Project documents , yeah . 2464.54 2465.71 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2464.464 2464.823 2464.53 2464.72 Yeah . 2464.72 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2465.266 2466.576 2465.33 2466.31 It gives the na Oh . 2466.31 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2469.584 2470.128 2469.6 2470.09 Yes . 2470.09 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2470.005 2471.116 2470.07 2470.95 Okay , nice . 2470.49 2470.95 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 2470.116 2471.152 2470.3 2471.11 Okay , thank you . 2470.72 2471.11 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2471.938 2475.424 2471.98 2475.424 The questionnaire , fill in uh we fill out d after lunch or uh 2472.58 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 2475.279 2485.824 2475.34 2485.79 Uh well , it's it's simply filling oh no , it's uh it's also filling out no , I'd do it after lunch I think . I'm hungry , so do it after lunch . Thank you all . 2476.44 2478.17 2479.74 2482.73 2483.3 2485.31 2485.79 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2481.106 2481.76 2481.15 2481.66 Okay . 2481.66 TS3007b C MTD026UID 2 2481.296 2487.125 2481.296 2487.05 Aye , cheers . 2486.53 2487.05 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2484.672 2485.232 2484.69 2485.2 Yes . 2485.2 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2486.936 2487.618 2486.96 2487.43 Thank you . 2487.43 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 2488.133 2488.816 2488.23 2488.78 You're welcome . 2488.78 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2488.848 2492.288 2488.87 2492.288 We can leave the P_C_ on I think , yeah and return to the 2490.75 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2491.264 2492.49 2491.28 2492.22 Yeah , of course . 2491.57 2492.22 TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 2491.754 2494.907 2491.81 2494.74 Yeah . Well I bring it to my uh personal room . 2492.73 2494.74 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2494.608 2497.696 2494.608 2497.66 Yeah , bring to I gotta bring it home . 2495.53 2497.66 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2495.475 2497.528 2495.57 2497.528 To my exave executive - TS3007b A MTD025PM 0 2497.463 2502.823 2497.52 2500.76 My executive uh big room with the with the panting . 2502.18 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2499.498 2501.265 2499.498 2500.96 A big office . 2500.96 TS3007b B MTD027ID 1 2519.64 2520.464 2519.68 2520.4 Yes . 2520.4 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2520.56 2520.953 2520.69 2520.83 Aye . 2520.83 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2533.658 2533.927 2533.72 2533.82 Yeah . 2533.82 TS3007b D MTD028ME 3 2539.069 2539.54 2539.16 2539.43 Okay . 2539.43 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 3.31 4.12 3.31 4.12 Hello again . 4.12 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 4.62 7.624 4.62 7.624 Hi . 7.07 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 4.9 5.4 4.9 5.4 Hello . 5.4 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 5.62 6.79 5.62 6.79 Hey , Project Manager . 5.88 6.79 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 7.52 16.46 7.52 16.46 Um , Project Manager , I have something to tell you . I have a little problems with my laptop . And uh s s s so I had a little less time to complete . 7.97 8.7 10.16 12.66 16.46 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 8.87 9.3 8.87 9.3 Mm yeah . 9.3 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 12.49 13.05 12.49 13.05 Okay . 13.05 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 16.44 17.01 16.44 17.01 Okay . 17.01 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 23.89 31.098 23.89 31.098 No , a little problem , uh big problem . I just thought Um , it didn't work anymore . 23.97 25.05 26.95 29.75 31.04 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 27.62 30.09 27.62 30.09 What was it , problem ? 29.7 30.09 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 31.24 31.86 31.24 31.86 The laptop ? 31.86 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 31.98 33.893 31.98 33.893 The entire Windows uh - TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 33.99 34.91 33.99 34.91 It hang hung . 34.91 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 34.93 36.231 34.93 36.231 It it hung . 35.9 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 36.5 36.98 36.5 36.98 Ha-ha . 36.98 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 37.74 37.86 37.74 37.86 Oh . 37.86 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 40.64 41.52 40.64 41.52 Project Manager . 41.52 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 41.436 43.351 41.436 43.351 Yes . 43.24 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 44.12 46.25 44.12 46.25 You're our Project Manager . 46.25 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 44.13 44.5 44.13 44.5 Yes . 44.5 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 45.87 48.155 45.87 48.155 Your project manager . 47.99 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 50.44 53.32 50.44 53.32 Welcome to the conceptual design meeting - TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 54.28 55.39 54.28 55.39 for Real Reaction . 55.39 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 56.98 87.39 56.98 87.39 Uh , hello again . Uh it's uh the same as the last time . Uh uh , also this time there will be uh three presentations . And we um must uh reach a decision on uh the remote control concepts . Um uh , and at the end , uh I uh , when I finish it off I have some uh input from uh a master class I uh visited . information . 57.55 58.28 60.34 62.59 65.72 72.12 74.84 75.69 77.8 85.56 87.27 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 86.34 87.3 86.34 87.3 During lunch , yeah . 87.13 87.3 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 89.3 89.77 89.3 89.77 Master . 89.77 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 91.02 94.666 91.02 94.666 He's the master , yeah . 91.9 94.31 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 93.41 94.255 93.41 94.255 Master of - TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 93.56 137.31 93.56 137.31 The the the the the concepts on uh we uh where we uh must reach a decision on . Um uh , our from uh are of two sorts . Components concepts and user interface concepts . Uh , the first one is uh really about the the the the the total package uh with uh Well , we have decided to do a do the uh with a touch-screen that must be a case around it so uh it won't be uh uh as breakable . Uh how how about the energy ? Can you uh can you reload it or uh just have batteries which you must exchange ? Uh , the user interface concept . Uh , with the type and uh the the supplements . So uh where to put what button . 99.5 102.25 104.72 108.51 108.86 114.75 122.68 124.94 130.26 130.47 132.32 132.83 135.74 137.31 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 138.36 151.1 138.36 151.1 And uh uh I would say uh Jans , can you begin ? Okay . At the end , uh I will take notes uh and at the end of the minutes uh will uh be at the shared folder . 142.4 143.9 144.79 145.31 151.1 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 143.15 143.91 143.15 143.91 Yeah , sure . 143.43 143.91 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 147.14 147.66 147.14 147.66 Okay . 147.66 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 153.42 156.76 153.42 156.76 Uh , let me see . I think it's this one . 154.47 155.27 156.76 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 163.53 163.97 163.53 163.97 Ha . 163.97 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 165.09 165.47 165.09 165.47 Wow . 165.47 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 167.15 170.69 167.15 170.69 Right . Uh , well , I'll be talking about the components . 167.72 167.99 168.71 170.69 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 172.11 199.256 172.11 199.256 Uh , what I did was I reviewed previously used items uh by uh two two uh different uh age groups . Uh below forty five and above . And uh I just uh watch what the differences are and I checked uh , well , what what d do we want , and how can we uh d aim a at uh the target group . Well uh what I found was that a senior um 172.72 181.47 183.8 188.68 188.92 190.56 196.09 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 181.46 181.78 181.46 181.78 Mm-hmm . 181.78 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 200.063 206.893 200.063 206.893 I'm sorry . Okay . Go on . 204.57 205.09 206.69 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 200.417 203.0 200.417 203.0 senior citizens uh - TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 204.25 225.88 204.25 225.88 Ye Ah , it's it's okay . Uh They , well , they like more the they like the traditional materials , like wood and and such more . Wood and chrome . And uh uh they like uh straightforward shapes . Um , uh they they they they like luxurious uh styles , where whereas the young and dynamic , they like a more uh soft materials . 204.47 205.92 207.68 207.89 210.59 212.22 213.9 217.42 218.91 221.44 223.86 225.88 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 225.99 244.79 225.99 244.79 Think of the Teletubbies , for instance . Uh uh , soft and fluffy and colourful and Well uh , shapes are curved and round . Y y you get the picture . And uh they like sports and gaming , and that gives them uh the vitality . Uh , so w well uh , firs Yes . 227.18 227.89 229.05 232.76 234.22 236.38 238.24 241.39 242.19 243.2 244.79 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 242.87 250.01 242.87 250.01 One one little question . Um about the the material . Uh a soft material for a remote control ? 244.17 246.94 250.01 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 246.26 246.64 246.26 246.64 Yeah . 246.64 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 249.95 252.35 249.95 252.35 No , I'll I'll get to that . You you'll see . Yeah . 250.15 251.31 252.08 252.35 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 251.09 254.838 251.09 254.838 Okay . Yeah . Thank you . 252.09 252.64 254.72 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 253.61 271.49 253.61 271.49 Uh , well f first off , let's start start with the energy . W I uh I had a choice between uh a few different uh sources . But uh the two basic sources that I found were the best possible were the battery uh versus kinetic . Uh kinetic , that's when you move something , then uh it gets energy . 254.09 255.15 256.36 260.84 267.58 268.14 269.67 271.49 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 260.62 261.14 260.62 261.14 Mm-hmm . 261.14 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 272.14 283.654 272.14 283.654 I figured , well that's ki kinda high-tech , when when you have a remote control that well , when you pick it up , it has power . That would be actually very nice , uh I figured . Well , we could also use a battery , that's a bit 272.71 274.26 276.21 277.22 278.32 279.79 280.85 281.39 282.62 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 280.24 280.42 280.24 280.42 Oh . 280.42 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 282.92 286.8 282.92 286.8 Yeah but when the power gets low , you have to shake it or something ? 285.48 286.8 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 286.5 295.92 286.5 295.92 Yeah . Yeah yeah , you c just you have to shake it around a little bit . And then then it d then it has some more uh energy . Well , y you could just go for a battery . Or you can go for both ? 286.82 287.19 289.48 292.9 293.2 294.73 295.92 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 288.68 290.299 288.68 290.299 Uh , and uh uh 289.37 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 292.9 293.36 292.9 293.36 Hmm . 293.36 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 296.34 298.9 296.34 298.9 Oh , have you considered the option of using a solar panel ? 296.54 298.9 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 299.03 315.4 299.03 315.4 Yeah , I actually did . But uh the thing is about solar panel is you have to have l uh light . Well , sunlight preferably . Uh , and you you could you could use normal light , but uh you wouldn't get the same amount of energy that you would from a battery or something . 299.37 300.7 305.41 306.22 308.51 309.09 311.11 315.4 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 308.34 309.21 308.34 309.21 W nah . 309.21 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 311.36 311.65 311.36 311.65 Mm . 311.65 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 315.5 316.0 315.5 316.0 Yeah . 316.0 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 315.8 332.67 315.8 332.67 Uh for uh ultimate b uh n uh use of uh solar panels , you could actually use uh you could use uh solar panels , but uh you ha you'd have to implement them into uh the remote control , leaving you uh a bit less space for the interface . 320.34 323.16 329.08 332.67 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 331.34 333.81 331.34 333.81 Mm yeah . It's too less space . 332.84 333.81 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 332.49 332.72 332.49 332.72 Yeah . 332.72 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 333.04 345.78 333.04 345.78 So uh so i i it it wo what's actually I I c just in f I've figured it out that well , uh seeing that you'll always be uh within the l uh distance of T_V_ , and the from T_V_ there comes a a a whole bunch of light . 338.7 342.56 345.78 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 346.18 367.059 346.18 367.059 So it would actually power itself uh from a T_V_ . But , well you just take up all the space , and you wouldn't uh have the full amount of power actually used . So I I prefer kinetic because it's uh well , the costs aren't that much higher , and um , ju just a bit more high-tech than than a normal battery . I mean , if 348.38 349.28 351.2 355.83 359.77 361.37 363.55 366.32 366.63 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 347.79 348.12 347.79 348.12 Yeah . 348.12 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 351.88 352.19 351.88 352.19 Okay . 352.19 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 355.65 357.14 355.65 357.14 But you prefer kinetic ? 357.14 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 358.26 358.62 358.26 358.62 Okay . 358.62 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 366.43 369.2 366.43 369.2 Yeah , but you don't move a a remote control too much . 366.65 369.2 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 368.44 373.166 368.44 373.166 No , but uh d Well , you pick it up and you press buttons and y well , you 368.71 369.98 372.62 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 372.43 375.656 372.43 375.656 And that's enough to to keep the energy level uh - TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 376.08 389.71 376.08 389.71 Yeah , well uh actually it is . And it it if it isn't , you just shake it a bit and and add add with power up again . But , what l what Jarek said , you could you could use a battery that you'd just keep it on the recharging whenever it moves . And for rest , you'd just add juice on the battery . 376.43 377.87 378.93 382.44 382.64 383.6 387.46 388.0 389.71 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 377.72 378.09 377.72 378.09 Okay . 378.09 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 382.42 383.08 382.42 383.08 Yeah . 383.08 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 389.84 390.26 389.84 390.26 Okay . 390.26 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 390.0 400.605 390.0 400.605 And when the battery doesn't work , I usually shake it too . So Like slamming on it . It's exactly the same . 392.7 394.09 396.79 400.49 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 394.155 398.136 394.155 398.136 Exactly . 398.02 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 394.586 401.0 394.586 401.0 Thank you , Tim . 398.91 400.96 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 398.16 416.46 398.16 416.46 And so that Uh Uh well , f furthermore , you you we uh checked uh the cases . We have uh different options uh concerning the cases . You ha I you sim uh you simply add a basic uh standard uh model uh it was kind of square and uh I figured that's a bit boring . 401.65 402.26 405.15 408.0 416.46 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 416.52 433.92 416.52 433.92 So you you we could go for uh the single curved or the double curved . Um , single curve , it's just a well , uh , you know , it's just uh a nice curve . Or but but you could go in a in an double curves . And that's like several different dimensions . That gives you an whole new uh effec 420.4 420.5 421.07 422.9 423.39 423.88 425.87 428.46 430.73 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 431.09 431.39 431.09 431.39 Yeah . 431.39 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 432.73 434.28 432.73 434.28 Dynamic dynamic look ? 434.28 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 432.82 433.05 432.82 433.05 Hmm . 433.05 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 434.26 440.39 434.26 440.39 Yeah , that gives you a younger and uh more high-tech look , I f I figured . But , that uh we'll discuss later . 434.59 436.91 437.61 438.22 440.39 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 440.15 442.52 440.15 442.52 But , are you going to draw it ? 441.31 442.52 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 443.42 443.98 443.42 443.98 What ? 443.98 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 444.51 446.04 444.51 446.04 The Yeah . 446.04 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 444.58 456.72 444.58 456.72 You want me to draw in three-D_ ? Uh , yeah , I ca I ca I could I could show you . I could show you . Well uh let's say y uh you uh 450.65 451.39 451.61 453.36 454.32 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 444.61 447.97 444.61 447.97 Th th yeah . Yeah . 447.53 447.97 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 447.13 447.35 447.13 447.35 Yeah . 447.35 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 448.26 449.9 448.26 449.9 Uh , I c I can't imagine . 448.33 449.9 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 451.05 453.19 451.05 453.19 I can't imagine how how how it looks like . 453.19 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 459.29 459.62 459.29 459.62 Yeah . 459.62 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 460.47 462.684 460.47 462.684 Let's say that's your standard uh - TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 463.82 464.29 463.82 464.29 Design . 464.29 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 464.92 465.23 464.92 465.23 Yeah . 465.23 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 469.95 474.83 469.95 474.83 That's a bit your d standard design . But you could actually go like uh something like this . 471.74 474.83 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 471.44 471.9 471.44 471.9 Mm-hmm . 471.9 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 478.14 482.32 478.14 482.32 And then uh in three-D_ effect you could go - TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 484.15 485.072 484.15 485.072 Um - TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 485.32 485.878 485.32 485.878 Uh - TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 486.19 487.424 486.19 487.424 So y you you just - TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 488.28 502.472 488.28 502.472 Yeah , this is a this bit uh difficulty in I didn't take a major in art . So But but you could have uh uh a whole new uh the back back the the the depth , you could you could uh just play around a bit with . You you don't have to use standard uh 488.57 493.14 498.01 500.13 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 496.97 497.43 496.97 497.43 Oh , okay . 497.06 497.43 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 499.02 499.81 499.02 499.81 Okay . 499.81 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 502.41 502.99 502.41 502.99 Oh , okay . 502.56 502.99 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 502.94 504.21 502.94 504.21 A little artistic . 504.21 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 504.56 521.45 504.56 521.45 Yeah you could y It leaves more space for creativity . Uh that might be an idea , but just a Well , furthermore , uh well , uh plastic versus rubber ? You We could choose uh what uh what's better , plastic um or rubber . I I ch prefer rubber because it feels uh Yeah . 508.38 509.79 511.6 512.16 512.69 514.52 516.42 518.4 521.45 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 507.05 507.67 507.05 507.67 Okay . 507.67 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 508.06 508.34 508.06 508.34 Okay . 508.34 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 521.76 522.37 521.76 522.37 It's soft . 522.37 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 522.54 540.28 522.54 540.28 Yeah , it's soft and it's that I like soft . Yeah , yeah I mean uh plastic uh is Plastic also has that cheap feeling to it , like plastic uh Your your I usually associate plastic with uh something that's cheap . Uh that's maybe just me , but Uh , we could uh 522.77 526.8 527.42 531.69 537.08 538.41 539.75 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 523.632 527.93 523.632 527.93 That's the material the younger people want uh , ain't it ? 527.4 527.93 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 541.5 553.87 541.5 553.87 uh , oh , talk about it later . Uh furthermore , buttons . Uh traditional uh or a touch screen . Well , we discussed it in a previous meeting , so I figured I'll just leave it at the L_C_D_ . 542.15 542.66 543.57 545.15 545.72 548.33 548.47 550.27 553.87 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 554.4 573.06 554.4 573.06 And uh chip set , well uh if we are going to use traditional buttons , we could go uh with a simple chip set . But uh if we decide to go on a n uh um L_C_D_ screen , we would use an uh we have to use an a advanced chip set . And that would bring uh the necessary costs with with it . 555.43 558.53 561.71 566.87 569.84 573.06 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 573.46 581.21 573.46 581.21 So that's something we th have to keep in mind . If it isn't uh manageable uh budget-wise , we'd have to go over to uh to sim to simple buttons . 575.44 578.08 581.21 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 581.68 586.17 581.68 586.17 Well , I think uh we're going to sell tell ten millions of them . 582.81 586.17 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 587.23 596.95 587.23 596.95 So uh I bet a big company in uh Korea or Taiwan , like uh Samsung , can give us uh a big discount on the chips , so 592.38 593.85 596.61 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 593.53 594.09 593.53 594.09 Yeah . 594.09 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 593.7 594.46 593.7 594.46 Yeah . 594.46 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 597.21 598.37 597.21 598.37 Yeah , probably . 597.76 598.37 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 597.87 602.93 597.87 602.93 U usually , chips are uh aren't more expensive than one dollar . 598.76 602.93 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 603.55 619.68 603.55 619.68 Yeah , probably , but But uh yeah , that's that's That shouldn't shouldn't be uh that big a issue . I'll I'll I'll just add , uh uh I put a big summary here , so we could discuss it a bit . Uh what i what are your ideas concerning battery versus kinetic ? 603.82 604.3 606.08 609.74 610.55 612.23 614.51 619.68 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 604.44 604.76 604.44 604.76 So - TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 605.828 608.14 605.828 608.14 That that shouldn't be a real issue , I think . 607.76 608.14 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 619.79 622.49 619.79 622.49 Um , I think you should use kinetic as a back-up . 620.18 622.49 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 622.89 630.97 622.89 630.97 Yeah , you you you should we should A combination . Uh , you use the battery and w charge it up with kinetic . When you pick it up , it charges up . 623.18 626.2 626.51 629.55 630.19 630.97 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 624.04 624.9 624.04 624.9 Yeah , a combination . 624.2 624.9 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 625.13 626.17 625.13 626.17 A combination , yeah . 626.03 626.17 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 630.19 630.4 630.19 630.4 Yeah . 630.4 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 631.35 633.065 631.35 633.065 Like an uh aku uh - TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 632.66 633.03 632.66 633.03 Yeah . 633.03 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 633.6 638.22 633.6 638.22 Acu uh , yeah . Well , . Yeah . 634.28 636.59 637.87 637.87 638.22 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 634.22 635.39 634.22 635.39 Yeah yeah , I know . 634.53 635.39 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 635.09 635.97 635.09 635.97 Okay . Yeah . 635.71 635.97 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 635.85 637.39 635.85 637.39 Just like the watch from Seiko . 637.39 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 638.2 640.38 638.2 640.38 Psycho-kinetic . Yeah . 640.04 640.38 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 638.24 641.93 638.24 641.93 Yeah , I con Exactly . What uh what do you think ? You agree ? 638.49 640.05 641.42 641.93 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 639.83 640.36 639.83 640.36 Yeah . 640.36 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 641.73 644.77 641.73 644.77 I I uh I would prefer uh both uh too . 644.77 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 645.14 645.89 645.14 645.89 Yeah ? Both ? 645.43 645.89 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 645.44 646.04 645.44 646.04 Combine them . 646.04 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 645.61 646.75 645.61 646.75 Yeah . Combine them . 646.16 646.75 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 647.07 653.051 647.07 653.051 Okay . Uh , well that would bring the m m some more costs , but I mean the 648.22 649.0 651.62 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 652.344 655.67 652.344 655.67 Okay . 655.38 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 653.051 660.04 653.051 660.04 Who cares , right . That's the Project Manager's problem . 654.35 655.99 659.58 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 657.09 660.154 657.09 660.154 Buy a fifty cents battery and uh - TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 657.224 665.693 657.224 665.693 Of course . Fifty cent . 659.73 665.46 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 660.06 668.328 660.06 668.328 Yeah , well Fifty cent uh Uh , why doesn't And then we have single-curved versus double-curved . That 660.75 664.48 667.63 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 667.82 671.71 667.82 671.71 Well maybe I have something in my presentation to uh to cope with that . 671.71 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 671.048 678.169 671.048 678.169 Okay . No , we'll we'll just wait and uh Uh , plastic versus rubber . Any ideas ? Uh , rubber ? You 672.15 672.3 674.51 675.67 676.35 677.31 677.67 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 675.66 676.04 675.66 676.04 Rubber . 676.04 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 676.34 677.86 676.34 677.86 Rubber . Yeah . 677.15 677.86 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 677.6 688.69 677.6 688.69 Um , isn't possible to make combination with kind of rubber is or bendable remotes where you've got a . Or do you think it Rubber casing , yeah . 678.1 684.9 687.9 688.69 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 685.2 700.005 685.2 700.005 Uh , I figured it will be m rather than hard Nah , rubber c uh this is a casing , yeah . Rubber casing , because well if you use an uh d a touch-screen , uh it's just a casing uh around it . So um , you could go for plastic , but I figured 685.46 688.33 689.74 689.95 690.53 694.48 696.7 697.87 698.84 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 687.62 688.23 687.62 688.23 Rather hard . 688.23 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 697.54 698.07 697.54 698.07 Yeah . 698.07 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 700.05 700.31 700.05 700.31 Yeah . 700.31 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 700.58 711.05 700.58 711.05 Um , well d Maybe I can ask it right now the question that I have . Uh , is it possible uh of is it necessary to make a touch-screen square ? It isn't , I think , yeah ? 701.34 705.14 705.39 710.03 710.49 710.86 711.05 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 701.29 702.63 701.29 702.63 I I I would choose rubber . 702.63 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 712.58 714.38 712.58 714.38 Well , m I don't know . No . 712.82 713.66 714.38 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 713.55 721.34 713.55 721.34 Well , I think that touch-screens are generally square . But it's the case you put around it that makes the shape . Hmm ? 713.98 717.09 721.19 721.34 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 716.61 717.06 716.61 717.06 Yeah . 717.06 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 716.8 717.14 716.8 717.14 Yeah . 717.14 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 717.78 722.519 717.78 722.519 We're We put fashion in electronics , so maybe we can uh 721.15 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 719.1 720.317 719.1 720.317 That isn't - TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 722.56 733.96 722.56 733.96 Yeah okay , but if you have a square uh L_C_D_ screen , and you put a case around it that has uh like bulbs or that that covers part of the L_C_D_ screen . That 723.01 725.73 733.71 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 725.69 726.03 725.69 726.03 Mm yeah . 726.03 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 729.84 730.13 729.84 730.13 Mm-hmm . 730.13 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 733.13 735.9 733.13 735.9 Yeah , that would cover it . That that would solve the problem . 733.45 734.35 735.9 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 735.05 737.311 735.05 737.311 That's it's custom customisable and - TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 735.46 738.17 735.46 738.17 Oh , yeah . Okay , I I get it . 735.99 736.81 737.31 738.17 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 737.42 737.97 737.42 737.97 Mm yeah . 737.97 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 738.32 748.73 738.32 748.73 So mm Uh uh so uh so what are the opinions ? Uh rubber or plastic ? I I I prefer rubber . Yeah , you too ? You sure ? You you you seemed to hesitate a bit . 741.92 742.89 745.61 745.87 746.44 746.83 748.73 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 744.4 744.9 744.4 744.9 Yeah , me too . 744.63 744.9 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 744.94 746.27 744.94 746.27 Me too . Yeah ? 745.93 746.27 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 745.22 745.68 745.22 745.68 Okay . 745.68 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 746.92 755.07 746.92 755.07 That's good . Well , as long a as long as it's it's uh it's firm , and you don't uh it's not bendable or something , I th I think that goes too far . 747.51 747.92 750.62 753.49 755.07 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 751.48 751.79 751.48 751.79 Mm yeah . 751.79 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 755.73 766.81 755.73 766.81 Yeah , it it shouldn't it shouldn't flop over when you hold it in your hand uh No , that that that that's gonna The the chip set will hold it firm in place , and uh and and uh and a L_C_D_ screen also 756.02 760.33 763.86 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 757.02 757.38 757.02 757.38 Okay . 757.38 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 757.84 761.298 757.84 761.298 Oh . 758.81 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 764.09 764.6 764.09 764.6 Okay . 764.6 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 766.38 771.66 766.38 771.66 It might even bounce back when you drop it on the floor . Okay . 771.12 771.66 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 768.12 787.287 768.12 787.287 Yeah it m might it might . Uh , tra uh traditional versus L_C_D_ , well I figured we we all set on that . And uh , then also the simple versus advanced . Well I figure if we go for L_ L_C_D_ , we we should have the advanced . So that shouldn't be a problem . Okay , well that's my uh 771.88 772.14 774.55 776.86 778.18 779.95 781.71 784.06 785.81 786.23 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 783.64 784.21 783.64 784.21 Mm yeah . 784.21 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 783.64 783.91 783.64 783.91 Yeah . 783.91 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 787.87 788.27 787.87 788.27 Thank you . 788.27 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 788.37 789.74 788.37 789.74 Uh , you're welcome . 788.83 789.74 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 789.44 794.687 789.44 794.687 Can I uh do my thing ? It uh 792.17 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 791.69 794.09 791.69 794.09 Yeah . Do your thing , Tim . 792.8 793.64 794.09 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 793.52 794.831 793.52 794.831 Do your thing . 794.47 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 797.03 801.534 797.03 801.534 Bring it on . 801.47 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 797.864 800.27 797.864 800.27 Expert map . 800.27 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 804.61 805.659 804.61 805.659 Okay uh - TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 807.45 808.14 807.45 808.14 Last week - TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 810.65 815.24 810.65 815.24 I went to uh Paris and Milan for some trend-watching . 815.24 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 816.71 817.65 816.71 817.65 For marketing . 817.65 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 819.74 843.22 819.74 843.22 Our research and development department and I went to Paris and Milan . In Paris and Milan , we uh asked different people , uh differing in age and in income , uh the amount of money to spend , um what they like in design uh and material nowadays . 826.59 828.23 831.27 834.2 836.83 843.22 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 846.28 856.51 846.28 856.51 Findings . Our main audience , uh so that's people below forty , uh prefer the following . At first , the colours of fruit . 847.98 849.59 852.53 854.67 855.42 856.51 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 857.63 874.12 857.63 874.12 Very basic colours , like Janus explained . Um , fresh colours , uh green , red , uh strawberry red , uh yellow , banana yellow . Um , considering material , um 858.7 860.79 861.87 863.07 864.9 865.52 866.98 867.81 870.5 871.94 873.49 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 876.14 887.13 876.14 887.13 Yeah . They like spongy material , like yeah a sponge-ball . Like a s soft material . Janus m uh mentioned it also . I think he did some uh 876.88 879.16 881.19 883.49 885.86 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 878.49 879.21 878.49 879.21 Spongeball . 879.21 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 883.63 883.97 883.63 883.97 Yeah . 883.97 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 888.84 895.52 888.84 895.52 some findings himself . You wer you weren't in Paris ? Okay . Like this . 891.67 894.29 894.86 895.52 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 889.835 895.901 889.835 895.901 Well , the Teletubbies sh 891.68 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 896.69 903.29 896.69 903.29 Like big uh g flashy colours . Fresh . It's nice , I think . 900.54 902.11 902.71 903.29 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 898.85 899.45 898.85 899.45 Flashy . 899.45 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 900.43 900.96 900.43 900.96 Yeah . 900.96 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 905.05 914.944 905.05 914.944 Okay , our secondary audience , uh people above forty a forty years in age , they like the dark traditional colours . Uh 905.63 907.85 911.9 914.21 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 915.927 919.515 915.927 919.515 Yeah , uh materials like wood that 917.06 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 918.79 923.43 918.79 923.43 Yeah , but wood is not a not a material you which you build a a remote control of . 918.99 923.43 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 923.37 929.311 923.37 929.311 Well , you could . You you could . Well uh 923.55 924.49 927.14 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 924.05 926.6 924.05 926.6 No n j just j just a w - TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 925.45 928.166 925.45 928.166 Yeah but never seen one . 928.07 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 925.785 928.4 925.785 928.4 It'll float . 928.4 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 928.33 931.43 928.33 931.43 No , okay , but just just a wooden uh look . 928.46 928.86 931.43 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 930.8 932.71 930.8 932.71 Case . Oh , a wooden look , yeah . 931.66 931.88 932.43 932.71 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 931.99 932.46 931.99 932.46 Yeah . 932.46 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 932.81 939.1 932.81 939.1 Like uh you have those fake uh fake panels on the floor . The that isn't wood anyway , but Okay ? 936.83 938.13 939.1 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 935.28 938.319 935.28 938.319 Tables . 937.89 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 936.294 939.11 936.294 939.11 Okay . 939.11 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 940.061 945.9 940.061 945.9 But , that's our secondary audience . So , uh we decided to take 941.38 942.74 944.04 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 942.73 943.05 942.73 943.05 Yeah . 943.05 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 947.25 951.26 947.25 951.26 mm yeah the people below forty . So , that this doesn't apply . 948.84 949.67 951.26 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 948.69 948.97 948.69 948.97 Yeah . 948.97 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 952.83 959.25 952.83 959.25 'Kay , the third . Uh , there're some overall thoughts about new remote controls . They have to look fancy . 953.08 954.01 954.36 957.98 959.25 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 960.7 964.58 960.7 964.58 Um , they should be technological in innovative . 961.97 964.58 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 965.48 972.89 965.48 972.89 That means uh there have to be fancy things in . Uh , and easy to use . But that's common . 969.47 970.2 971.71 972.89 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 974.79 976.27 974.79 976.27 My personal preferences . 976.27 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 977.32 983.06 977.32 983.06 We have to aim at a mu at the main audience . And uh , therefore use fresh colours . 980.83 981.61 983.06 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 983.48 989.261 983.48 989.261 Would you prefer uh uh that you can choose the colour of your uh remote control or - TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 988.72 1004.55 988.72 1004.55 Uh , I'll I'll come to that in a second point . Here , think about removable covers , as seen in mobile telephon telephone market . To customise your own remote control . Like the Nokia uh the removable covers , uh just put a red on it and go to the shop and buy a green one . 989.16 991.52 991.81 993.54 996.1 998.43 1001.23 1004.55 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 990.57 991.0 990.57 991.0 Okay . 991.0 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 993.81 994.21 993.81 994.21 Okay . 994.21 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 999.99 1000.33 999.99 1000.33 Yeah . 1000.33 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1002.2 1002.61 1002.2 1002.61 Okay . 1002.61 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1005.49 1022.952 1005.49 1022.952 Uh , a third , material being used uh could well be stuff like rubber . Um , two advantages . Uh , it fits within the current market trends . And uh it adds safety to your remote uh when you drop it . So 1005.95 1006.64 1010.7 1012.5 1013.54 1014.55 1017.4 1022.72 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1024.19 1034.06 1024.19 1034.06 Uh to come back to your question , I think uh and the people in Milan and Paris also think that uh the rubber should be pretty hard . Like uh 1025.54 1033.05 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1035.42 1036.91 1035.42 1036.91 seen on regular mobile phones . 1036.91 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1038.76 1041.559 1038.76 1041.559 Actually , they have a lot in common . The phones and the 1039.22 1040.58 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 1042.43 1045.83 1042.43 1045.83 Well , I actually saw a phone that you could use as a remote , so Yeah . 1042.74 1044.65 1045.83 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1045.21 1046.69 1045.21 1046.69 Yeah . Yeah . Okay . 1046.01 1046.37 1046.69 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1045.25 1045.87 1045.25 1045.87 Ah . 1045.87 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1046.36 1048.06 1046.36 1048.06 Maybe you could use your remote as a phone . 1048.06 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1048.152 1051.941 1048.152 1051.941 Hey . 1051.86 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 1048.4 1051.048 1048.4 1051.048 Hey . That might be a next step . 1049.29 1050.86 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1049.41 1050.998 1049.41 1050.998 There are numbers on it , so uh 1050.19 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1050.99 1065.42 1050.99 1065.42 Yeah , exactly . Uh , in my second sheet of personal preferences , uh we have to reconsider the speech function uh recognition . Uh , it's very innovative . Innovative . 1051.23 1052.47 1053.09 1055.78 1061.29 1061.96 1064.71 1065.42 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1064.9 1069.22 1064.9 1069.22 So that you say um S_P_S_S_ , and it goes to uh Okay . 1066.87 1069.22 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1067.8 1080.235 1067.8 1080.235 Yeah , like something . You you can see that the market is just screaming for new technologies , like speak uh speech recognition and stuff . But , we have to keep the cost in uh in mind , but it 1068.07 1068.87 1073.92 1076.49 1077.23 1079.32 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1079.91 1082.83 1079.91 1082.83 Twelve fifty uh - TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1081.2 1095.205 1081.2 1095.205 Yeah , it it can be uh very expensive . 'Kay , second . Uh , building games like Snake or Tetris to amuse the younger users . Uh , also the link with uh mobile phones . Uh 1081.57 1084.96 1085.18 1085.91 1086.12 1091.04 1092.0 1094.65 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1094.3 1098.93 1094.3 1098.93 Yeah , but you don't use that th games when you watching television , I think . 1094.57 1098.49 1098.93 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1098.29 1104.3 1098.29 1104.3 No , but No , okay . But you don't use games when you're d when you're making a telephone call . It's just the same . 1098.56 1099.35 1099.92 1103.55 1104.3 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 1098.58 1099.76 1098.58 1099.76 Well , yeah . 1099.16 1099.76 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1104.39 1108.55 1104.39 1108.55 When your parents are watching some boring program , you can take the remote and do something else . 1106.49 1108.55 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1109.01 1109.35 1109.01 1109.35 Yeah . 1109.35 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1109.98 1110.67 1109.98 1110.67 Yeah , okay . 1110.29 1110.67 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1110.77 1125.349 1110.77 1125.349 When you're at college . Uh No . You al you also take uh t you take your IPac and go uh play games . Yeah . Yeah . Well , I do that , but Okay , and um 1112.82 1115.09 1120.36 1121.04 1122.13 1122.47 1122.93 1124.31 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1112.435 1121.701 1112.435 1121.701 Take it . 1121.64 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 1112.67 1116.616 1112.67 1116.616 You take your uh remote with you to school . 1116.4 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1112.93 1123.008 1112.93 1123.008 You take your remote control with you . 1122.9 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 1116.616 1125.293 1116.616 1125.293 Yeah . 1124.54 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1126.15 1135.299 1126.15 1135.299 And third , I stick with it , the log-in functionality uh with the slogan , take parental control to a new dimension . 1126.86 1128.89 1132.12 1134.56 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 1133.882 1138.173 1133.882 1138.173 Very nice . 1138.08 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1134.026 1136.78 1134.026 1136.78 Ooh . S 1136.68 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1136.51 1137.934 1136.51 1137.934 That's it . 1137.89 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1137.738 1141.722 1137.738 1141.722 Uh great . 1141.5 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1144.68 1145.81 1144.68 1145.81 Mm-hmm . 1145.81 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1166.78 1167.688 1166.78 1167.688 In - TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1173.5 1177.72 1173.5 1177.72 Okay . Um the interface contents . 1174.79 1177.72 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1178.66 1189.35 1178.66 1189.35 Well that's a just simple PowerPoint mock-up I want to m make it more as dynamic for you so I'll draw there . But , the main concept is um take one big touch screen . 1184.88 1185.32 1189.35 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1190.75 1195.74 1190.75 1195.74 Um , always display the primary buttons clear and visible . 1192.09 1195.74 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1196.88 1217.0 1196.88 1217.0 Maybe even li like this with uh u uses of a lot of space . And uh make the menu structure changeable . So if you press um system , that's Yeah , well m multiple system options can , maybe five or ten or or one , can fit in . Or maybe even a step further when you want to um 1201.4 1203.59 1206.29 1207.38 1210.13 1212.59 1213.98 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1218.88 1244.81 1218.88 1244.81 t um have some other options that are not programmable with one horizontal button . And um other buttons can may be displayed here if that's necessary . And um well , how do uh do we want to look at uh uh f um Yeah Does a remote look Well , it's you've gotta hold it in one hand . So um the middle like all remotes have to be in a little bit small , so you can put it in 1224.51 1229.63 1230.86 1235.89 1238.72 1243.19 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1248.27 1256.43 1248.27 1256.43 inside your hands . And some remotes you can use with your thumb . But I think that's too difficult for this one . So you can make it s a little broader . 1249.9 1251.84 1254.35 1256.43 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1257.61 1260.98 1257.61 1260.98 Yeah . And here ? And maybe use your thumb 1258.63 1259.82 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1262.65 1265.72 1262.65 1265.72 on the on the main buttons . And use your other hands 1264.45 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1266.88 1272.97 1266.88 1272.97 on the menu structure . So here are gonna be the program buttons . One , two , three , four , et cetera . 1268.68 1271.28 1271.5 1271.69 1271.95 1272.25 1272.97 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1274.3 1277.41 1274.3 1277.41 And the the volume control and program control maybe . 1277.41 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1278.93 1280.7 1278.93 1280.7 And , down here , 1280.07 1280.7 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1281.84 1287.45 1281.84 1287.45 um , I added , this could be one uh big L_C_D_ . Um , the menu structure . 1283.0 1283.4 1286.26 1286.6 1287.45 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1289.48 1291.26 1289.48 1291.26 So you can use it in uh in this way . 1291.26 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1295.17 1296.3 1295.17 1296.3 Um - TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1297.711 1308.636 1297.711 1308.636 One thing you've gotta keep in mind , keep the remote clear of too much functions at the same time . Um , know that if you are changing the menu structure here , um 1300.45 1303.92 1305.5 1308.09 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1310.11 1335.88 1310.11 1335.88 And well , I still believe you should keep displaying the buttons . But if you're programming the colour of the T_V_ , do not display twenty other options that are possible . Just keep it as simple as uh as possible . And do not use too many levels . Do not have to select a screen first and then brightness and then colour and un-plus , and um push plus twenty times . But just the um uh just in one button if possible . 1311.1 1313.7 1316.0 1319.62 1323.21 1324.63 1329.72 1332.25 1335.88 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1337.39 1363.841 1337.39 1363.841 And um , well , you kn you all know the T_V_ levels . Um , channel one , two . And when you get to n to uh to ten , ye and want to go back , uh well you have a problem . Just m most most modern T_V_s , you you press one zero , and it goes to ten . And else , to one and through after that . So the s a button less . And um , things like teletext , put them in the menu . Things like um um 1338.35 1338.88 1340.64 1341.17 1341.72 1342.08 1344.41 1345.88 1347.12 1349.24 1350.74 1352.13 1352.71 1355.1 1357.73 1358.87 1360.0 1361.03 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1364.93 1365.18 1364.93 1365.18 Yeah . 1365.18 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1365.0 1372.79 1365.0 1372.79 Yeah . Uh , what do you think about a back-and-forth come-up uh button ? L like in uh internet explorer . 1365.77 1366.13 1371.24 1372.79 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1370.39 1381.09 1370.39 1381.09 Yeah , yeah w Yeah , I I find I must trying to uh tell it . Is uh volume plus and minus ? And this is program uh plus 1370.84 1372.31 1375.93 1378.99 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1382.06 1383.359 1382.06 1383.359 and minus . Uh 1382.74 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1382.75 1390.468 1382.75 1390.468 Yeah okay , but does it that is for uh going from four to five . But if you go from two to eight , and you want 1383.15 1387.03 1389.59 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1386.58 1387.03 1386.58 1387.03 Yes . 1387.03 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1389.05 1418.22 1389.05 1418.22 Or if you're watching Studio Sports on uh on seventeen , and your wife is watching some soap on two Well yes , I think that's a good idea . But um , well m my preference would to be put it in the menu structure . And if you're using that button a lot of times , well of course the menu will still be displayed on the screen . You just don't have to play games uh in-between . But if you're really switching between two channels , you won't have time uh to d use the other options . 1392.79 1396.21 1397.85 1399.55 1403.48 1406.22 1409.42 1412.42 1415.02 1418.22 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1392.51 1395.73 1392.51 1395.73 Yeah , and on two . That you can switch switch easy . 1393.1 1393.99 1395.73 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1400.89 1401.46 1400.89 1401.46 Yeah it is . 1401.46 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1402.57 1402.81 1402.57 1402.81 Yeah . 1402.81 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1416.27 1417.05 1416.27 1417.05 Mm no . 1417.05 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1419.35 1422.34 1419.35 1422.34 Um , yeah already already told that . 1420.56 1422.34 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1424.184 1425.46 1424.184 1425.46 That's it . 1425.46 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1425.19 1426.62 1425.19 1426.62 Yeah . That's my conclusion . 1425.6 1426.62 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1427.45 1427.66 1427.45 1427.66 Okay . 1427.66 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1427.92 1428.4 1427.92 1428.4 Oh , okay . 1427.99 1428.4 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1430.04 1430.758 1430.04 1430.758 Uh - TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1432.2 1443.608 1432.2 1443.608 I think we can discuss a little about the the three uh kind of revolutionary things uh Tim uh came with . The parental control , the games , and the voice recognition . Uh 1439.59 1440.7 1441.24 1442.94 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1445.39 1457.5 1445.39 1457.5 There's n not uh too much decision on uh that one so uh I think that parental control is a good function to uh to put in the remote . I don't know how you think about it . 1455.34 1457.5 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1456.711 1457.35 1456.711 1457.35 Yeah . 1457.35 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1458.01 1461.08 1458.01 1461.08 Well , I agree , just put it in the menu structure somewhere . 1458.41 1458.84 1461.08 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1461.27 1461.57 1461.27 1461.57 Yeah . 1461.57 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1462.47 1466.33 1462.47 1466.33 Um , yeah um system properties , um parental control . 1463.22 1464.89 1466.33 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1463.73 1464.332 1463.73 1464.332 Yeah but - TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1465.88 1479.28 1465.88 1479.28 What I see uh How I see it is you put it on the the remote and then you have like a Windows log-on screen with parents , children . 1478.8 1479.28 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1472.62 1472.92 1472.62 1472.92 Yeah . 1472.92 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1479.51 1479.78 1479.51 1479.78 Mm . 1479.78 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1481.58 1486.728 1481.58 1486.728 Something like that . And w when you want to use the parents uh option , you have to 1482.85 1486.28 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1481.73 1482.15 1481.73 1482.15 Yeah . 1482.15 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1482.51 1484.37 1482.51 1484.37 Um , w well , yeah . 1483.01 1483.77 1484.37 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1485.96 1498.01 1485.96 1498.01 It it has to be fast . You don't want to to go down and watch the news at eight o'clock and turn it on and wait twenty seconds for for uh the log-on screen and then remember your code and all kinds of settings . 1487.39 1498.01 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1496.92 1497.5 1496.92 1497.5 Yeah , ok 1497.26 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1497.49 1512.802 1497.49 1512.802 No but I think most people uh find it uh much more important that their children don't watch uh sex or violence uh on the television , and uh wait uh ten or fifteen seconds longer , so they can uh finally watch it uh because of that . Uh 1506.83 1509.42 1512.13 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1505.62 1506.0 1505.62 1506.0 Mm-hmm . 1506.0 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1507.2 1507.783 1507.2 1507.783 Why - TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1508.65 1508.96 1508.65 1508.96 Mm-hmm . 1508.96 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1511.56 1522.58 1511.56 1522.58 You c may use like when there's uh X_P_ , uh a simple log-on , d you just push uh one or two or three . And if you push parents , then Yeah . To log in . 1514.19 1515.55 1518.94 1520.31 1522.04 1522.58 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1514.62 1515.9 1514.62 1515.9 Yeah . Yeah . 1515.67 1515.9 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1515.88 1516.32 1515.88 1516.32 Yeah . 1516.32 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1517.23 1528.85 1517.23 1528.85 Yeah . Pu push parents . That then then then you have to uh go to three-digit uh log-in . Like two one three . And it's in . 1517.64 1519.39 1526.16 1528.2 1528.85 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1524.42 1526.44 1524.42 1526.44 Yeah . And if you puts a ye 1525.0 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1527.79 1538.179 1527.79 1538.179 Uh-huh . And if you w you push p children , uh you don't have to uh log in , but you can only watch uh children's channels or uh Okay . Well 1528.94 1530.99 1533.06 1537.55 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1528.062 1529.31 1528.062 1529.31 Yeah . 1529.31 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1532.22 1534.08 1532.22 1534.08 It automatically goes Yeah . 1534.08 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1534.01 1534.22 1534.01 1534.22 Yeah . 1534.22 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1536.75 1537.05 1536.75 1537.05 Yeah . 1537.05 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 1537.58 1558.11 1537.58 1558.11 I don't know if it's worth uh the time and effort we are going to spend on it . Because well it's a simple function , but it's gonna take a lot of resources and a lot of time um to programming it . Because you'll have to start working with the profiles and such . And I'm not sure if it's actually worth uh investing that much time and effort into it . I don't know what 1541.18 1543.11 1548.5 1552.05 1557.21 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1551.66 1552.09 1551.66 1552.09 Mm-hmm . 1552.09 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1557.31 1588.012 1557.31 1588.012 Well I think that's a b there's a big market for it , because uh you Yeah , you read many times in magazines same kind of stuff , and you heard on the news that uh that he Yeah , they believe that children uh are influenced by the television , and uh Well , we're we're aiming uh to uh below uh forty uh years . But there are a lot of uh people will below forty who have uh children in young age uh who who want um to uh not watch uh violent or uh 1559.74 1561.85 1564.1 1568.48 1571.98 1573.95 1578.6 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1560.48 1560.69 1560.48 1560.69 Mm yeah . 1560.69 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1568.12 1569.16 1568.12 1569.16 V violent T_V_ . 1569.16 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1582.51 1583.12 1582.51 1583.12 Yeah . 1583.12 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1587.61 1608.69 1587.61 1608.69 Well , maybe um some idea on that . Just make through a remote as it is , but make an option to insert profiles , 'cause if my grandad would buy this remote , he wouldn't want to bother with all all the all the uh things to do . Just make it an option in menu , ins install powerful profiles or something . 1588.15 1590.79 1593.7 1596.6 1599.59 1604.58 1606.14 1608.69 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1590.42 1590.62 1590.42 1590.62 Yeah . 1590.62 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1593.36 1593.64 1593.36 1593.64 Yeah . 1593.64 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1597.6 1598.53 1597.6 1598.53 Yeah , of course . 1597.82 1598.53 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1603.09 1603.45 1603.09 1603.45 Yeah . 1603.45 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1608.86 1609.33 1608.86 1609.33 Yeah yeah . 1609.33 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1610.1 1610.32 1610.1 1610.32 Yeah . 1610.32 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1611.47 1612.94 1611.47 1612.94 That's a that's a better idea ? 1612.94 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1613.22 1624.471 1613.22 1624.471 Yeah , w It just has to be w when it's deliver out of the store , it has to be just simple and plain . But if you want to install it personally uh 1613.53 1618.4 1620.67 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1618.14 1618.47 1618.14 1618.47 Yeah . 1618.47 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1620.72 1621.71 1620.72 1621.71 Yeah , okay . 1621.29 1621.71 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1625.93 1639.79 1625.93 1639.79 If I got kids , and I could choose between uh two remote controls . One uh w with parent control and one without , and I would would buy the one with . 1629.31 1633.74 1638.12 1639.79 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1634.54 1636.29 1634.54 1636.29 Yeah , with and one without . 1634.8 1636.29 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1640.27 1641.042 1640.27 1641.042 Yeah . 1640.84 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1640.97 1675.91 1640.97 1675.91 Um , b well , still some question I have about how to incorporate those ones . You're thinking about some channels they uh cannot see , but well , I I when I think , oh yeah , for the f for all the standard channels , and only for maybe after ten o'clock uh in the evening violent films and movies uh will come and uh maybe maybe some some timing uh will be uh needed instead of uh of channels , because if you're watching uh , I don't know , you're in the at day uh , cartoons will come up m on maybe Friday night . I don't know . 1641.78 1642.23 1645.55 1648.58 1650.29 1651.77 1652.07 1653.92 1667.41 1669.17 1669.81 1672.0 1675.19 1675.91 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1641.82 1642.72 1641.82 1642.72 I th Yeah . 1642.72 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1665.17 1665.79 1665.17 1665.79 Yeah . 1665.79 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1676.58 1694.98 1676.58 1694.98 Yeah , maybe it can work with show view . Uh , you you can control your video recorder with show view . Uh , when you tick in a number , it will uh start and end uh recording . But maybe there's some option that uh that t uh the kind of show view numbers are violent , and that they are blocked out . 1676.72 1678.49 1678.54 1682.44 1682.83 1683.8 1686.46 1692.87 1694.98 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1695.15 1705.444 1695.15 1705.444 Yeah , the disadvantage vantage is that someone will has to send all the show-view numbers of the programs that they remotes and edit it all , will have to decide uh 1695.47 1704.12 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1700.45 1702.11 1700.45 1702.11 Yeah . That's true . 1701.53 1702.11 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1702.89 1703.13 1702.89 1703.13 Yeah . 1703.13 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1704.31 1706.45 1704.31 1706.45 Yeah but yeah but that isn't possible . 1706.45 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1706.35 1707.22 1706.35 1707.22 That isn't possible . 1707.22 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1706.95 1707.41 1706.95 1707.41 Yeah . 1707.41 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 1707.34 1727.99 1707.34 1727.99 But , well , if you want to I i i if we in incorporate uh the parental control , uh let's say we do , and and well whatever , cho uh child just goes up to the T_V_ and presses up for instance . Well uh , nob nobody's stopping the child from uh well checking uh the channel . 1708.39 1708.93 1714.92 1715.92 1717.55 1722.55 1723.68 1727.99 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1721.64 1722.0 1721.64 1722.0 Yeah . 1722.0 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1728.86 1729.15 1728.86 1729.15 Hmm . 1729.15 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1729.81 1737.301 1729.81 1737.301 Well , yeah you could say if parental control is only it it'll go from fourteen to sixteen with the page-up then , but 1730.06 1736.92 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 1729.9 1730.618 1729.9 1730.618 But that - TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 1738.46 1748.61 1738.46 1748.61 Well , I'm not sure because um for that to happen , you d you will have to receive a signal from the uh remote control , so it would , yeah , have to be constant uh constant signalling . 1738.8 1741.54 1744.68 1745.26 1745.74 1748.61 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1741.02 1741.25 1741.02 1741.25 Yeah . 1741.25 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1748.55 1748.93 1748.55 1748.93 Mm-hmm . 1748.93 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 1749.58 1768.578 1749.58 1768.578 What m what may be better is to incorporate an uh a separate device that uh that you can program with the remote control . And that uh provides parental control , for instance . And that's just an optional uh device . So there's n that's there's uh besides uh the remote control , you'll have a separate uh 1756.73 1759.0 1760.42 1762.52 1766.54 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1768.01 1772.27 1768.01 1772.27 I wouldn't put it in an optional device . That that then then then it becomes too much , I think . 1769.83 1771.84 1772.27 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 1772.41 1772.62 1772.41 1772.62 Yeah ? 1772.62 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1773.36 1779.46 1773.36 1779.46 If we do it , we we must do it in a kind of ways that like a profile , a parent profile , and a family profile , and otherwise . 1774.01 1777.1 1777.74 1778.8 1779.46 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1774.1 1775.075 1774.1 1775.075 Yeah , and 1774.44 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1777.87 1780.26 1777.87 1780.26 Yeah , on a separate menu uh option . 1778.24 1780.26 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1779.95 1790.45 1779.95 1790.45 And and you know w uh when you install another device , uh children can still go up to the T_V_ , p pop open uh the thing and and and g 1784.65 1786.8 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1789.05 1789.83 1789.05 1789.83 Yeah . 1789.83 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 1791.73 1798.837 1791.73 1798.837 Yeah , that's true . That's true , but uh at same instant , same happens when uh you have remote control . So 1792.03 1793.01 1793.43 1795.51 1798.3 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1791.93 1792.78 1791.93 1792.78 go to a channel . 1792.78 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1797.37 1799.416 1797.37 1799.416 Yeah , yeah of course . But 1797.89 1799.15 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 1799.89 1812.33 1799.89 1812.33 But , only difference is uh the uh the people buying the remote control will now get the f added feature of parental control , and those people wouldn't uh necessary want it . So , you you'd be 1800.58 1807.18 1810.2 1810.63 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1807.41 1807.64 1807.41 1807.64 Yeah . 1807.64 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1809.5 1814.63 1809.5 1814.63 Ah it's Yeah . Yeah , okay . But it's just an an added feature feature . 1810.71 1810.88 1811.72 1814.63 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1813.9 1821.48 1813.9 1821.48 Yeah . Okay . And what do you uh guys think of the games in the voice recognition ? I personally think that that becomes too much . 1814.97 1815.28 1819.15 1821.48 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 1814.17 1814.39 1814.17 1814.39 Yeah . 1814.39 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1822.1 1823.797 1822.1 1823.797 Yeah , well yeah , I 1822.29 1822.71 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1822.8 1825.268 1822.8 1825.268 It's more like it gets you to the functionality , but 1824.63 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1824.49 1839.06 1824.49 1839.06 A mail too from management that it's very popular to use voice recon recognition . But I don't think when you're watching T_V_ uh , hearing loud noises from the T_V_ , someone screaming one , and you f the channel switches , uh Yeah . 1829.36 1831.61 1833.83 1835.94 1837.74 1839.06 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1828.6 1828.91 1828.6 1828.91 Yeah . 1828.91 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1832.8 1833.17 1832.8 1833.17 Mm yeah . 1833.17 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1833.65 1833.94 1833.65 1833.94 Yeah . 1833.94 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1836.525 1839.06 1836.525 1839.06 Yeah . 1839.06 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1838.59 1844.672 1838.59 1844.672 Yeah , like f voice recognition is too much , I think . But games . It doesn't 1838.83 1841.04 1841.51 1843.93 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1841.49 1841.86 1841.49 1841.86 Yeah . 1841.86 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1841.87 1842.99 1841.87 1842.99 Okay . And games ? 1842.19 1842.99 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 1844.82 1848.71 1844.82 1848.71 Yeah . I can see games happening . Yeah . 1845.34 1848.32 1848.71 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1845.48 1848.781 1845.48 1848.781 W you can put it on chip anyway , so uh 1847.93 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1846.28 1846.63 1846.28 1846.63 Yeah . 1846.63 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1849.17 1851.08 1849.17 1851.08 That that doesn't c that doesn't co - TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1849.539 1853.809 1849.539 1853.809 As long as it's isn't a primary feature of the remote , but uh 1853.07 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1849.58 1850.47 1849.58 1850.47 That would - TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1853.31 1856.8 1853.31 1856.8 Yeah , that that doesn't cost a lot of extra resources , I think . 1853.56 1856.42 1856.8 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1855.38 1859.86 1855.38 1859.86 Okay . So that will uh that that that must be in it , you think ? 1856.28 1859.39 1859.86 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 1860.08 1861.2 1860.08 1861.2 Yeah , that will be nice . 1860.38 1861.2 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1861.31 1867.19 1861.31 1867.19 Okay . So the games uh are in it . The voice recognition are not . And the parental control are 1862.65 1864.07 1865.56 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1867.48 1869.15 1867.48 1869.15 Optional in - TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1868.42 1869.05 1868.42 1869.05 optional ? 1869.05 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1868.58 1873.138 1868.58 1873.138 Yeah , it's it's in it . But too ma I I think so , but 1868.99 1869.84 1872.71 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1870.68 1872.718 1870.68 1872.718 But how we do it ? 1872.35 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1873.13 1873.48 1873.13 1873.48 Yeah . 1873.48 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1873.44 1890.84 1873.44 1890.84 Well , I think also it's a good idea , buts very difficult to incorporate . So we should make it too complex . Is t some menu uh function , you choose parental control , and maybe four files will emerge from menu where put it on . But uh how how it's gonna work uh uh will f be a problem . 1873.76 1875.11 1877.87 1879.88 1881.77 1883.59 1887.4 1890.84 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1880.06 1880.54 1880.06 1880.54 Okay . 1880.54 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1886.44 1886.64 1886.44 1886.64 Yeah . 1886.64 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1889.7 1904.575 1889.7 1904.575 Yeah , okay . Uh , but uh will there uh uh Like the first idea uh from uh You can buy it without and uh with parental contr control ? Or are we going to put it in and uh just uh 1890.17 1890.95 1891.24 1901.61 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1901.06 1903.003 1901.06 1903.003 Mm-hmm . Well 1902.28 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1903.81 1918.68 1903.81 1918.68 Ye I I think best would be uh to put it in and make it an menu option . You can put on Yeah . And you can just uh s when you buy it , you can select um personal preference , parental control on , and the password or something . 1908.4 1910.72 1912.83 1915.54 1917.19 1918.68 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1907.12 1909.81 1907.12 1909.81 To put Yeah , to put it in always . 1908.57 1909.81 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1909.94 1910.24 1909.94 1910.24 Yeah ? 1910.24 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1918.08 1918.55 1918.08 1918.55 Mm yeah . 1918.55 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 1920.17 1945.45 1920.17 1945.45 Well , I don't know . I I figure if you had two different remotes , you could bo choose one with uh well uh uh a receiver in it . So you could actually easily uh build in uh parental control . But it would would be uh more expensive . So , a and that that way uh you could make cheap model and a expensive model . Could ma make the uh simple model and the deluxe model , uh for instance . 1920.36 1920.75 1922.92 1929.48 1933.72 1936.63 1936.86 1940.88 1944.26 1945.45 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1944.77 1946.23 1944.77 1946.23 Oh , it's a p Yeah . 1945.15 1946.23 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1945.77 1949.14 1945.77 1949.14 Yeah , but T_V_s aren't capable of sending . 1945.94 1949.14 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 1949.42 1950.82 1949.42 1950.82 Yes they are . Yeah . 1950.5 1950.82 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1950.14 1950.36 1950.14 1950.36 Yeah ? 1950.36 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1951.56 1952.67 1951.56 1952.67 I thought they were just - TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1952.92 1957.93 1952.92 1957.93 Yeah , you yo Yeah , but most often not . 1953.27 1955.87 1957.93 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 1953.25 1955.545 1953.25 1955.545 Yeah , you you have some T_V_s any 1953.52 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1953.71 1956.008 1953.71 1956.008 a able to receive . Yeah , some . But 1954.98 1955.2 1955.59 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 1957.02 1959.03 1957.02 1959.03 Yeah . That is true , that is true . 1957.81 1958.42 1959.03 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1958.79 1972.02 1958.79 1972.02 Well , maybe you just have to restrict it to what programs , where the parent says , you cannot watch channel seven , nine , and ten , and you cannot watch all channels after ten o'clock . And there's just some little uh clock in the remote . 1959.01 1961.77 1962.51 1964.19 1964.65 1965.67 1968.86 1972.02 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1965.44 1965.73 1965.44 1965.73 Yeah . 1965.73 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 1971.07 1979.0 1971.07 1979.0 Well yeah , you could you could easily you could easily you could easily to the mote control . But you still have the problem about uh the television itself . 1971.46 1975.35 1979.0 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1971.38 1972.91 1971.38 1972.91 Yeah , j just some rules . 1971.57 1972.91 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 1973.04 1973.34 1973.04 1973.34 Yeah . 1973.34 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1978.74 1989.75 1978.74 1989.75 No , no , it's very simple . There uh th I h I've seen some of remotes who have a clock in it . So , the remote does doesn't transmit when it's after twelve clock . Yeah ? 1978.99 1979.17 1980.08 1983.79 1984.2 1989.31 1989.75 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 1983.27 1984.36 1983.27 1984.36 Yeah , yeah yeah . 1983.54 1984.36 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1987.2 1989.18 1987.2 1989.18 Yeah , okay . But , on the T_V_ 1987.4 1987.81 1988.14 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 1990.16 2000.594 1990.16 2000.594 at least my T_V_ , is a is a compartment which you can press . And there are buttons uh behind it which you can use , if you d if you don't if you don't have a 1991.85 1994.77 1998.43 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1994.77 1995.19 1994.77 1995.19 Yeah . 1995.19 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 1994.86 1996.83 1994.86 1996.83 Yeah . Yeah . 1996.42 1996.83 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1996.95 1997.27 1996.95 1997.27 Yeah . 1997.27 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 1998.47 2008.17 1998.47 2008.17 Well , that's To put it very blunt , that's not our problem . Just have um the parents buy uh some glue and uh It's not not a part of the remote . 1998.87 2001.53 2002.61 2008.17 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2004.92 2005.21 2004.92 2005.21 Yeah . 2005.21 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2006.35 2006.76 2006.35 2006.76 Yeah . 2006.76 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2008.28 2009.0 2008.28 2009.0 Yeah , of course . 2008.46 2009.0 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 2009.13 2021.11 2009.13 2021.11 Yeah , that is true . Yeah , that is true . Yeah , you could you could you could go like uh that that would actually make uh things a lot more easy . You could just blame it on television and uh make it their problem . 2009.31 2010.66 2010.96 2012.54 2012.78 2017.02 2021.11 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 2011.64 2015.49 2011.64 2015.49 You have to f Yeah . Uh , or make it ourselves very diffic 2013.21 2013.56 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 2017.22 2017.54 2017.22 2017.54 Yeah . 2017.54 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 2018.89 2019.16 2018.89 2019.16 Yeah . 2019.16 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2022.8 2025.437 2022.8 2025.437 Yeah . 2025.34 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 2023.45 2027.034 2023.45 2027.034 Yeah , I figured I figure we could do that . Yeah , yeah , sure . 2023.66 2025.15 2025.6 2025.76 2026.94 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 2025.24 2025.67 2025.24 2025.67 Okay . 2025.67 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2027.93 2028.52 2027.93 2028.52 Or j Yeah . 2028.52 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 2028.04 2033.224 2028.04 2033.224 Uh , I'm not sure what marketing thinks about it , but 2028.16 2029.73 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2030.75 2038.154 2030.75 2038.154 Ah I have to uh consult my legal advisor about it . 2038.01 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 2034.755 2069.864 2034.755 2069.864 Okay . So uh I think we have decided on the things that Uh from Janus , the energy , the combination between battery and kinetic . The case will be double-curved and uh rubber , in a fr flashy fruity colour uh that with cover is removable . The buttons will be uh touch-screen . Uh but there may not be too many buttons . And in the the menu structure , uh there must not to be uh 2039.63 2044.71 2045.37 2048.33 2051.61 2058.47 2061.42 2064.39 2067.21 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 2070.69 2085.125 2070.69 2085.125 Five minutes to go . Uh , too uh too many levels . And uh it must be easy to use . The parental control will be incorporated , but it must be not too complex . And the games are in it . So 2071.95 2072.28 2074.03 2077.06 2080.31 2082.68 2084.58 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 2086.64 2087.07 2086.64 2087.07 Okay . 2087.07 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 2086.9 2089.7 2086.9 2089.7 I think we have uh we have decided uh , okay . 2089.29 2089.7 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2088.44 2089.3 2088.44 2089.3 Consensus . 2089.3 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 2091.06 2092.44 2091.06 2092.44 Uh , little more . 2091.61 2092.44 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2092.01 2099.61 2092.01 2099.61 Oh . Oh . I I have one thing left . Maybe for uh Jerome . Um , the views . 2092.36 2092.78 2094.83 2097.11 2098.63 2099.61 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 2092.68 2092.89 2092.68 2092.89 Oh . 2092.89 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 2094.26 2094.58 2094.26 2094.58 Yeah . 2094.58 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 2096.44 2097.64 2096.44 2097.64 Yeah ? I'm listening . 2096.9 2097.64 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2100.57 2106.74 2100.57 2106.74 Maybe it's uh handy to build in an expert view and a simple view . 2106.74 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 2106.71 2109.65 2106.71 2109.65 Like a like a moat or s or something . Yeah . 2109.0 2109.65 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2108.6 2112.16 2108.6 2112.16 Yeah . Like at In the experts view , you have a lot of more buttons . 2109.34 2110.74 2112.16 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 2109.1 2110.5 2109.1 2110.5 Um , well 2109.97 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 2109.74 2110.53 2109.74 2110.53 User profile . 2110.53 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 2110.99 2112.647 2110.99 2112.647 Yeah , but you have that in the 2111.23 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 2111.76 2122.22 2111.76 2122.22 What I was thinking about is just a menu structure , when you don't use it is simple . And when you push uh system properties , uh entire list pops up with e ev all kind of f stuff you can program . 2114.23 2116.25 2118.14 2122.22 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 2115.61 2117.151 2115.61 2117.151 Yeah . You use the 2116.32 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2116.23 2116.44 2116.23 2116.44 Yeah . 2116.44 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 2121.96 2125.5 2121.96 2125.5 Yeah . It's already incorporated a little in that concept . 2122.73 2125.5 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2122.07 2124.11 2122.07 2124.11 Mm yeah , okay . Fairly enough . Yeah . 2122.47 2122.73 2123.95 2124.11 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 2124.46 2129.84 2124.46 2129.84 Well yeah , you you could actually build in a function that you can program it yourself , for the more advanced users . 2124.79 2128.42 2129.84 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2129.6 2132.35 2129.6 2132.35 Yeah , wh which buttons you like or not . 2129.96 2132.35 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 2131.69 2140.27 2131.69 2140.27 Yeah , which buttons do you want to in it . Because you can you can like build in a back-forward button , and uh some po somebody would just want to watch two channels . 2131.87 2133.49 2136.84 2140.27 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2133.9 2134.29 2133.9 2134.29 Yeah . 2134.29 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2140.46 2142.9 2140.46 2142.9 Yeah . Just leave the other numbers away . 2141.3 2142.9 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 2142.79 2143.3 2142.79 2143.3 Okay . 2143.3 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 2142.87 2146.74 2142.87 2146.74 Yeah , you could you could m have people want uh want that . 2144.04 2146.74 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 2146.36 2192.392 2146.36 2192.392 We take it to the other meeting , okay ? I have a little w uh little chat to do and uh then we uh finish . I went to uh a master class and uh uh two things uh are uh are uh can come in handy uh for us . First thing uh is uh we talked about knowledge uh management . Knowledge engineering and uh uh the fact that uh that uh that the idea of knowledge , uh sharing and learning knowledge from other companies is uh like that . It's it's uh very hot at the moment , so it's it's mostly for the management expert to to look what other uh marketing or did I said management ? Oh . Just talking about myself . Uh W 2147.58 2147.96 2151.48 2158.91 2162.65 2169.23 2174.34 2176.21 2182.75 2183.46 2185.95 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2147.95 2148.68 2147.95 2148.68 Okay . Go on . 2148.38 2148.68 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 2148.81 2149.73 2148.81 2149.73 Ah , yeah , sure . 2149.13 2149.32 2149.73 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2150.356 2155.496 2150.356 2155.496 A little chat . 2155.1 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2180.05 2180.69 2180.05 2180.69 Marketing . 2180.69 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2182.25 2192.318 2182.25 2192.318 Management . Yeah , that's my function , to Okay . Go on . 2184.09 2184.32 2186.72 2191.45 2192.18 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 2192.52 2208.76 2192.52 2208.76 What other companies uh had to uh also with the the the the marketing campaign when they put on a newer remote , just some uh Yeah . Import export . And uh another one . Uh , they're a ha they're at Yeah , benchmarking , that's the word I saw . 2198.61 2201.18 2203.77 2205.77 2206.11 2207.14 2207.81 2208.76 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 2204.58 2205.85 2204.58 2205.85 Som some bench-marker . 2205.85 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 2210.25 2235.36 2210.25 2235.36 I uh couldn't uh Okay , uh another uh thing is uh there were there there was a survey , and um uh it came out that um people like to buy things from a single large provider , instead of those who uh are partnering uh with us . So , we must uh we must bring it as if uh Real Reaction is uh is big company , uh a trustful company , and uh it has m 2212.2 2216.08 2222.94 2226.21 2226.69 2232.38 2233.66 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2234.63 2237.07 2234.63 2237.07 How I know a marketing name for our product . 2237.07 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 2237.18 2237.61 2237.18 2237.61 Okay . 2237.61 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2238.32 2245.691 2238.32 2245.691 R_ th R_ to the third power . R_ three . Real Reaction remote . 2241.24 2242.02 2243.47 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 2243.133 2269.16 2243.133 2269.16 I had a I had another idea to put uh uh the whole the whole idea of uh Real Reaction and uh uh uh a single brand and uh uh that kind of thing . When you uh put on remote , you see a kind of a just like when you telephone , you see a little uh animation . Real Reaction remote . And uh with the with the with the motto , we put fashion in electronics . And then you go uh 2254.56 2256.44 2258.82 2260.96 2263.47 2266.09 2267.89 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 2244.65 2245.27 2244.65 2245.27 Oh . 2245.27 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2250.83 2251.18 2250.83 2251.18 Mm-hmm ? 2251.18 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 2259.58 2263.31 2259.58 2263.31 Uh , logo . Yeah ? Yeah . 2259.94 2260.86 2262.8 2263.31 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2260.16 2260.87 2260.16 2260.87 Bling . 2260.87 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2268.02 2274.624 2268.02 2274.624 Yeah . Yeah , okay , but it has to be like a split second , because you have to put in a code also and 2269.65 2269.82 2270.1 2271.89 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 2271.16 2271.827 2271.16 2271.827 The - TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 2272.13 2272.46 2272.13 2272.46 Yeah . 2272.46 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 2273.42 2281.64 2273.42 2281.64 Well , you can show somebody a logo for point five seconds , they'll still remember it . And it it l linger on every time you see it . 2274.25 2277.57 2279.34 2281.64 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2278.83 2279.08 2278.83 2279.08 Yeah . 2279.08 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 2279.05 2287.93 2279.05 2287.93 Yeah . But w th the idea from this uh thing is that we must present it as a as we are a a single large provider who will stand on our own . 2279.88 2287.93 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 2287.93 2296.86 2287.93 2296.86 Well , if you if you have the l L_C_D_ screen , you can you can uh have a small logo i uh at the bottom . And it could just stay there . Yeah , that spins around or something . 2288.09 2290.12 2293.47 2295.49 2295.66 2296.86 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2292.83 2293.06 2292.83 2293.06 Yeah . 2293.06 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2294.48 2296.65 2294.48 2296.65 That spins around like all the time . 2296.65 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 2295.07 2299.958 2295.07 2299.958 Mm yep , yeah . Also also . But we we are uh 2295.72 2297.12 2298.13 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 2295.771 2299.047 2295.771 2299.047 Very annoying . 2298.89 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 2297.86 2298.14 2297.86 2298.14 Hmm . 2298.14 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2299.83 2303.61 2299.83 2303.61 It it's just like a uh globe in Internet Explorer . 2303.61 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 2302.89 2320.02 2302.89 2320.02 Yeah yeah y yeah yeah . Okay , but uh think about that kind of things . That's what they said in the master class . . N Uh , next meeting starts in thirty minutes . So uh maybe you can go to Paris and Milan uh once again . 2304.97 2305.24 2308.07 2311.95 2311.95 2313.88 2316.29 2320.02 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 2303.93 2306.52 2303.93 2306.52 Yeah . Yeah , something like that . A small icon . 2304.45 2304.62 2305.47 2306.52 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 2304.3 2304.61 2304.3 2304.61 Yeah . 2304.61 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 2306.01 2308.67 2306.01 2308.67 Yeah , I It's ok For f 2306.54 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2308.1 2308.31 2308.1 2308.31 Okay . 2308.31 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 2309.43 2310.84 2309.43 2310.84 Oh , for the next meeting , right ? 2309.59 2310.58 2310.84 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2313.25 2314.002 2313.25 2314.002 Who uh - TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2318.872 2323.22 2318.872 2323.22 Who who gave you the master class ? Ronald Betenberg ? 2322.28 2323.22 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 2321.64 2326.632 2321.64 2326.632 The master class ? Franz Mehler's . 2323.47 2326.32 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2324.57 2326.836 2324.57 2326.836 Okay , thanks . 2326.23 2326.67 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 2326.632 2357.19 2326.632 2357.19 Uh , very special , uh next uh session . Uh idea that you uh the the industrial uh development uh centre and uh user interface uh will work together on a prototype . And uh will drawing it on the SMARTboard . So that's a kinda new uh thing . And um , the marketing expert will uh will uh ke he will be keeping busy with the product uh evaluation . But the most uh specific instructions will be sent to you by email . 2328.28 2329.01 2331.14 2340.48 2342.6 2344.92 2346.89 2354.06 2357.19 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2344.91 2345.03 2344.91 2345.03 Ah . 2345.03 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 2356.79 2357.516 2356.79 2357.516 Um - TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 2357.54 2359.59 2357.54 2359.59 So we're going to work together right now ? 2359.59 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 2358.73 2360.027 2358.73 2360.027 Stay here and - TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 2359.252 2364.696 2359.252 2364.696 Yeah , the well , uh dids this what I uh what I heard . I 2359.86 2360.57 2363.28 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2363.66 2366.088 2363.66 2366.088 In the master class . 2365.83 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 2364.696 2366.9 2364.696 2366.9 Not in the master class . 2366.9 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2367.13 2367.848 2367.13 2367.848 Yeah . 2367.72 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 2368.18 2376.27 2368.18 2376.27 So you uh just wait for the specific instructions and uh But I think it was a very uh very good uh session , uh gentlemen . 2374.6 2376.27 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 2370.76 2371.66 2370.76 2371.66 P_ . 2371.66 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 2376.21 2378.16 2376.21 2378.16 Ah , no new email . 2377.1 2378.16 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 2376.65 2377.29 2376.65 2377.29 Definitely . 2377.29 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2377.59 2377.98 2377.59 2377.98 Me too . 2377.98 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 2379.65 2380.48 2379.65 2380.48 I will thank you all . 2380.48 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 2379.78 2380.56 2379.78 2380.56 Okay . 2380.56 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 2381.24 2383.102 2381.24 2383.102 Well thank you too . 2382.9 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 2381.88 2383.49 2381.88 2383.49 Thank you . Thank you very much . 2382.35 2383.49 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 2382.4 2383.077 2382.4 2383.077 And uh - TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2383.79 2385.59 2383.79 2385.59 Thank you too , lord . 2385.17 2385.59 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 2384.93 2387.672 2384.93 2387.672 Give me a good evaluation . 2386.95 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 2386.75 2387.3 2386.75 2387.3 Yeah . 2387.3 TS3007c D MTD028ME 3 2387.976 2390.97 2387.976 2390.97 'Kay guys , lot of success . 2390.16 2390.97 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 2388.12 2391.58 2388.12 2391.58 Uh-huh . See you . 2390.92 2391.58 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 2388.87 2392.01 2388.87 2392.01 You wish . M Aye ? Cheers . 2390.55 2391.67 2392.01 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 2392.33 2394.36 2392.33 2394.36 Cheers . See you in a half hour . 2393.14 2394.36 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 2396.09 2396.75 2396.09 2396.75 Hey . 2396.75 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 2397.83 2401.29 2397.83 2401.29 But keep an eye on your uh laptops for a real uh - TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 2399.13 2404.04 2399.13 2404.04 Yeah , uh I'm not sure if we uh we Because I saw something about individual actions . 2399.32 2404.04 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 2403.99 2409.76 2403.99 2409.76 Yeah , but th there's there's still the my uh instructions that you will work together . 2404.32 2409.76 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 2410.22 2411.824 2410.22 2411.824 Yeah . Here ? Or uh 2410.74 2411.03 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 2412.52 2415.183 2412.52 2415.183 That's not my problem . Bye-bye . 2413.57 2415.08 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 2412.73 2416.12 2412.73 2416.12 Yeah . If you got a No . So Stupid manager . 2413.26 2414.55 2416.12 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 2413.698 2422.692 2413.698 2422.692 Well , yeah . Right . Uh 2416.05 2420.36 2421.91 TS3007c A MTD025PM 0 2416.16 2418.881 2416.16 2418.881 The project manager always works alone . 2418.83 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 2427.1 2428.1 2427.1 2428.1 Do you have new email ? 2428.1 TS3007c B MTD027ID 1 2428.31 2430.2 2428.31 2430.2 No . Don't get what's 2429.41 TS3007c C MTD026UID 2 2429.52 2429.86 2429.52 2429.86 Hmm . 2429.86 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 99.5 114.06 99.5 114.06 Wouldn't wanna be Project Manager . Uh , what we going to do . Um , once again I'm uh gonna take minutes . So , um no presentation for me . Uh , first we have a prototype presentation by G_ and G_ . 103.26 103.62 104.5 105.5 107.51 107.84 110.37 110.64 114.06 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 115.212 117.66 115.212 117.66 Afterwards some uh - TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 115.84 116.17 115.84 116.17 Yo . 116.17 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 116.3 117.784 116.3 117.784 J_ and J_ . 117.7 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 118.93 136.51 118.93 136.51 eval eval evalu evaluation s sorry . Uh evaluation crit criteria . Uh , in combination with the finance I um uh I received uh a an uh an Excel uh file 124.78 126.95 127.84 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 121.2 121.96 121.2 121.96 Evaluation . 121.96 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 121.81 123.08 121.81 123.08 Evaluation . 123.08 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 121.85 123.42 121.85 123.42 Evaluation criteria . 123.42 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 137.22 137.48 137.22 137.48 Hmm . 137.48 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 137.82 184.61 137.82 184.61 which we have to fill in later on . Um , you see . Uh , and then we must see uh if we uh stay under the twelve and a half Euro . So , that's uh that's a big l so let's uh wait it uh um we have we have must uh , we must have uh some time for that uh because it will be uh yeah , quite a lot of mathematics . And after that , uh uh an evaluation of uh the process how we uh how we have done it here with the SMARTboard , with the with our laptops , with the all uh all this . And uh afterwards , uh we closing . Once again , forty minutes , so uh let's start . I would g give the word to um G_ and G_ for the prototype presentation . 140.79 141.57 142.48 143.43 148.77 149.05 155.69 160.93 163.05 164.13 171.0 172.17 175.5 176.65 177.27 177.85 178.53 180.01 184.61 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 143.44 143.99 143.44 143.99 Hmm . Interesting . 143.51 143.99 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 147.24 147.79 147.24 147.79 Ah , okay . 147.64 147.79 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 148.332 150.05 148.332 150.05 Oops . 150.05 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 149.333 151.338 149.333 151.338 Cool . 150.82 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 150.34 152.58 150.34 152.58 Mm-hmm . That's gonna be t problem . 150.75 152.58 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 153.95 155.477 153.95 155.477 Some creative uh - TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 161.4 162.72 161.4 162.72 Oh . Yeah . 162.32 162.72 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 179.21 180.36 179.21 180.36 Ok okay . 180.36 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 183.54 185.964 183.54 185.964 Shall I give a short introduction and then uh - TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 186.67 187.29 186.67 187.29 Yeah , well sure . 186.9 187.29 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 187.13 187.75 187.13 187.75 J_ and J_ . 187.75 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 187.57 187.91 187.57 187.91 Okay . 187.91 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 187.84 188.45 187.84 188.45 J_ and J_ . 188.45 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 189.596 192.13 189.596 192.13 J_ and J_ , okay . 191.51 192.13 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 189.96 190.63 189.96 190.63 Jane and Jane . 190.63 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 193.92 195.34 193.92 195.34 'Kay guys , take it away . 194.81 195.34 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 195.09 195.29 195.09 195.29 Hi . 195.29 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 195.55 196.2 195.55 196.2 Take it away . 196.2 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 203.2 231.1 203.2 231.1 Um , this was our first concept . We decided to use a single touch-screen . So , we've worked out this concepts , how to how to hold it , where to put the buttons and and stuff . And um , well , we began with uh with a form of shape , that is uh is easy to hold w in one hand , left or right handed . So , we made i it a little bit less thick and uh it has some ar artistic meaning . No ? This uh isn't nothing . 203.55 204.87 208.54 208.84 210.62 211.94 214.78 215.91 216.27 218.13 221.13 222.35 222.49 228.68 229.3 230.9 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 232.15 235.27 232.15 235.27 Idea maybe uh is better . 235.27 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 237.21 254.12 237.21 254.12 Um well , during the meeting I showed you the concept of uh placing the buttons on top , usable with your thumb , and uh the menu structure , uh if necessary , with your other hand , so it's just gonna hold it easily . And it has to be acce accessible with your uh other hand too , of course . 238.67 242.11 244.16 245.7 246.86 247.83 250.06 253.68 254.12 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 255.5 257.81 255.5 257.81 So we began uh working out a concept . 257.81 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 257.75 340.25 257.75 340.25 Yeah , uh well , and as you saw , we would just have the basic remote with the panel L_C_D_ uh screen . Well , these would be the main buttons , h you could uh change them later on in your own profile if you want to . But , well it's standard they will be delivered with this kind of uh set-up . We have the more advanced menu uh setting right here . We have the sub-menus and stu stuff . We made a top oh , or a front view . Just so like you wanna uh back view . As you can see , this uh there , there are uh two uh weird bumps in it . This is for uh the added uh effect of uh well uh y youth and dynamic . And uh this is for the artistic effect . Well , what we figured is uh we'll show you a picture later on you have more b a better idea after that . But , idea is for to stay in balance with these two uh with these two . And so when you put it on the table , it will just lay down . It won't uh roll around or stuff . But it will lie more in your hand like an old telephone maybe , or like these old uh phones . Y you you may get the idea . So thi this is about uh how we figured it should be . The s panel we g you would hide with some more uh rubber layers , like we discussed early on . Uh , you would s you wouldn't see the uh straight panel , but more fluidly and round . 258.13 259.07 259.7 264.97 265.15 266.54 269.77 270.12 273.85 278.05 280.59 281.94 282.72 285.38 285.94 287.53 291.12 297.54 299.85 300.02 305.75 306.32 310.91 312.24 313.58 316.15 319.69 321.81 324.0 327.63 332.32 334.24 334.67 337.08 340.25 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 309.92 310.11 309.92 310.11 Hmm . 310.11 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 320.8 320.97 320.8 320.97 Mm . 320.97 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 339.86 343.0 339.86 343.0 Yeah , the panel just uh of course goes like this . 340.5 343.0 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 342.97 343.36 342.97 343.36 Yeah . 343.36 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 344.35 348.35 344.35 348.35 But the overlaying layer is uh a little bit uh curved and stuff . 348.35 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 348.85 349.12 348.85 349.12 Okay . 349.12 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 349.06 349.64 349.06 349.64 No , okay . 349.21 349.64 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 350.26 364.736 350.26 364.736 And uh , in these bumps you could actually uh put some electronics uh that would you can make a more thinner uh design , and that would actually look very nice , yeah . And uh , about the colour , what have 351.28 360.06 361.83 362.8 363.17 364.0 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 358.78 359.12 358.78 359.12 Yeah . 359.12 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 360.97 361.39 360.97 361.39 Yeah . 361.39 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 364.37 388.28 364.37 388.28 Yeah . Oh , we added that this um can be held with your hands for this maximum is om yeah , one and a half centimetres . So , you have room here for your battery and maybe even other um electronic chips . S and you can just be the the layer of the touchscreen and some have some wires underneath it to make it as uh thin as possible in the middle for good grip . 364.53 364.74 370.13 371.87 371.99 377.22 388.28 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 377.32 377.65 377.32 377.65 Okay . 377.65 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 384.22 384.41 384.22 384.41 Hmm . 384.41 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 388.92 391.724 388.92 391.724 Yeah , f uh , as colours , do you do you have the picture in uh 389.14 389.64 390.17 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 391.81 392.05 391.81 392.05 Yeah . 392.05 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 393.11 406.11 393.11 406.11 Oh yeah . Now , well this is the idea about uh the bumps . Uh , you can see there's a v a very uh youthful uh dynamic uh exterior . It uh you just want to hold it you uh you are young and uh dynamic like us . 393.53 393.66 395.83 396.48 401.98 406.11 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 405.34 407.63 405.34 407.63 'S l it's like an uh Easter egg . 407.63 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 407.3 413.21 407.3 413.21 Yeah , it's like an e but this is for children . We we want a more adult version . But , this is like a remote control for children . 407.52 409.06 410.88 411.36 413.21 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 407.63 408.1 407.63 408.1 Yeah . 408.1 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 413.18 415.539 413.18 415.539 It's called a weemote - TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 414.514 431.21 414.514 431.21 . A weemote . Yeah . Hey , that's actually a brilliant uh marketing stand . Uh , but So this actually basic the idea . We we just want to build a more uh adult vers adult version of of this . 414.514 416.7 417.69 417.85 421.17 422.15 426.72 431.21 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 415.43 415.97 415.43 415.97 Weemote . 415.97 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 416.82 417.31 416.82 417.31 Weemote . 417.31 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 420.748 424.639 420.748 424.639 Wait what I w got in mind . 424.42 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 421.33 421.884 421.33 421.884 Yeah . 421.63 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 431.51 431.89 431.51 431.89 Mm-hmm . 431.89 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 431.56 432.81 431.56 432.81 Yeah , I can imagine that . 432.0 432.81 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 432.373 443.57 432.373 443.57 And and for colours , we we figured starting with basic colours like uh white or metallic grey . Those are the technological colours actually , so it d 433.92 439.7 442.89 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 442.59 469.61 442.59 469.61 Yeah . It would be best to to appeal to a broad public and make the covers exchangeable , so the young people will buy an orange and a red and blue and a purple , but when the o older people uh go in the shop and they see uh an orange um remote control , it would be less appealing than a white one . And young people , we think , are a little bit more flexible , they think , ah I'll buy for a couple of Euros some noi nice hip uh 443.08 448.18 453.11 460.84 463.04 463.83 464.27 465.59 465.87 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 451.62 452.75 451.62 452.75 Or blue or whatever . 452.75 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 463.47 463.71 463.47 463.71 Hmm . 463.71 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 468.04 474.88 468.04 474.88 Hmm . Maybe it's an idea to sell it without a cover , so that you can pick a cover in the in the shop . 469.21 472.25 474.88 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 472.27 472.7 472.27 472.7 Well , 472.7 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 474.13 487.16 474.13 487.16 um I think a cover is necessary , 'cause als otherwise you'll just have the L_C_D_ screen . So , there must be some cheap standard cover , um maybe white or something , that's could comes with it and you can buy , so we can make extra money . 476.8 479.27 479.72 481.99 483.61 485.77 487.16 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 477.24 478.48 477.24 478.48 Yeah , okay . Yeah , okay . 477.48 477.93 478.11 478.48 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 481.89 482.94 481.89 482.94 Hmm . Mm . 482.51 482.94 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 486.69 543.31 486.69 543.31 Yeah , but uh you d you mustn't forget that uh our target aim is younger people . Uh , we had decided to uh put uh some flashy fruity colours in it , uh and uh in the survey from uh Milan and Paris uh it uh it came out that uh uh the d the older people are uh more willing to uh to spend money on extra features . So I think uh it will be a better idea to have some uh flashy fruity colours as as a standard , and for the people who uh really want uh a more sophisticated , more traditional look , they're willing to pay uh that . They want uh they want more luxury stuff , but they have the money to do it and they want to b to buy that . So , maybe it's an idea to put that as an extra and not as a standard . 486.97 494.18 494.29 499.58 517.79 524.82 528.88 530.41 533.62 536.3 539.63 539.9 543.31 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 487.64 487.99 487.64 487.99 Oui okay . 487.99 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 517.6 518.09 517.6 518.09 Okay . 518.09 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 522.03 523.49 522.03 523.49 The other way around , you mean . 522.99 523.49 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 523.871 525.18 523.871 525.18 Oh yeah . 525.18 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 529.48 529.8 529.48 529.8 Uh-huh . 529.8 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 533.36 533.67 533.36 533.67 Yeah . 533.67 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 537.77 538.06 537.77 538.06 Mm-hmm . 538.06 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 539.58 540.01 539.58 540.01 Okay . 540.01 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 540.03 540.24 540.03 540.24 Yeah . 540.24 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 542.41 548.55 542.41 548.55 Yeah . Yeah , maybe yeah , perhaps you're right . Uh , I I would I would actually agree with this sounds logical . 543.39 543.66 544.32 545.32 545.55 548.55 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 548.9 549.59 548.9 549.59 Okay , yeah . 549.41 549.59 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 548.98 559.33 548.98 559.33 An another idea . Uh , maybe we could uh develop a cover uh with wood style . They'll please the elder users as well . 550.45 551.74 556.88 559.33 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 556.64 556.95 556.64 556.95 Yeah . 556.95 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 559.13 559.42 559.13 559.42 Yeah . 559.42 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 559.83 576.9 559.83 576.9 Well yeah , a colour of a wood style , a white c and uh a couple of h hip uh fruity colours . And lea uh l delivered standard with a fruity colour , but not too not too much . This is banana and mango , not not purple or p orange and yellow . 560.29 561.67 565.87 568.47 571.69 573.31 576.9 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 565.45 565.78 565.45 565.78 Yeah . 565.78 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 565.53 565.84 565.53 565.84 Yes . 565.84 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 565.58 566.37 565.58 566.37 Nah . Yeah . 566.23 566.37 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 570.29 572.33 570.29 572.33 Not not too uh yeah . 572.33 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 575.85 576.82 575.85 576.82 Yeah , exactly . 576.18 576.82 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 576.46 589.6 576.46 589.6 Yeah . But , the mai I think th uh the standard must be some kind of uh uh attractive flashy colours . Not too , but w a little , because that's our aim . Yeah . 577.42 578.17 585.41 585.97 587.55 589.24 589.6 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 577.65 579.089 577.65 579.089 Yeah . Or blue or 578.05 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 585.56 586.57 585.56 586.57 Ah . Mm-hmm . 586.3 586.57 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 587.33 591.5 587.33 591.5 Yeah , li like like this like this . This isn't this isn't too much , is it ? 587.63 589.07 591.2 591.5 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 587.87 588.04 587.87 588.04 Yeah . 588.04 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 590.82 592.84 590.82 592.84 Yeah , okay . No . Yeah . 591.09 592.25 592.52 592.84 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 592.124 592.805 592.124 592.805 . 592.805 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 592.22 592.72 592.22 592.72 I f - TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 592.84 598.23 592.84 598.23 Well , the buttons don't have to be uh all uh all of yeah . 593.66 598.23 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 594.58 600.09 594.58 600.09 Well I I I think so . Yeah , except for the buttons it's it could be a standard model . 596.57 596.85 600.09 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 594.69 596.209 594.69 596.209 Yeah . The buttons , I 595.05 595.61 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 599.09 599.329 599.09 599.329 It - TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 600.16 600.74 600.16 600.74 Okay . 600.74 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 600.19 600.5 600.19 600.5 Yeah . 600.5 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 600.42 605.0 600.42 605.0 Yeah , uh something like this would be nice . Okay , that's that's it from us . 601.45 603.7 603.96 605.0 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 602.99 603.35 602.99 603.35 Okay . 603.35 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 603.57 603.94 603.57 603.94 Okay . 603.94 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 605.09 605.35 605.09 605.35 Thank you . 605.35 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 606.4 607.45 606.4 607.45 'Kay , it's my time now . 606.55 607.45 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 607.84 608.61 607.84 608.61 It's my turn . 608.61 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 612.35 613.45 612.35 613.45 The Marketing Expert . 613.45 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 613.92 614.36 613.92 614.36 Uh-oh . 614.36 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 621.71 622.06 621.71 622.06 Okay . 622.06 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 624.68 625.74 624.68 625.74 During the - TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 627.36 628.693 627.36 628.693 Oh . 628.1 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 629.67 634.15 629.67 634.15 During the design uh design life-cycle we uh - TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 630.695 632.93 630.695 632.93 Sorry . 632.93 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 636.1 646.36 636.1 646.36 we made lot of requirements and trend analysis and stuff . Um , now is the time to uh evaluate our prototype concept to uh 640.78 641.43 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 647.78 660.61 647.78 660.61 to the past requirements . So we are going to evaluate the design according to the past user requirements and trends analysis . Um , we're going to do that with a seven point scale . 649.99 657.69 658.6 660.61 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 662.72 664.54 662.72 664.54 Opening a Word document now . 664.54 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 672.6 672.85 672.6 672.85 Okay . 672.85 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 676.27 681.7 676.27 681.7 One oh , okay , uh I have to expla explain something . We have to 677.85 678.41 681.09 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 683.09 683.63 683.09 683.63 uh - TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 687.31 694.971 687.31 694.971 be consensive about about things . So , it has to be a group uh group decision . Okay ? Uh 690.08 690.3 693.47 694.57 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 693.87 697.44 693.87 697.44 Okay , so we gon we gonna evaluate the 694.45 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 696.54 699.83 696.54 699.83 We're going to vote . We yeah ? The prototype . Yeah . 697.65 698.23 699.61 699.83 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 698.31 700.97 698.31 700.97 Yeah , the the thing we saw . Okay , just saw . 698.63 700.01 700.52 700.97 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 700.88 705.26 700.88 705.26 Okay , one . The remote control is designed for people with age below forty . 701.49 702.03 705.26 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 706.94 708.15 706.94 708.15 Yeah . Seven ? 707.74 708.15 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 709.32 710.32 709.32 710.32 Seven is false . 710.32 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 709.96 711.95 709.96 711.95 Uh , true . Sorry . 710.53 711.71 711.95 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 711.65 712.748 711.65 712.748 Yeah , b one or 712.02 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 714.21 715.34 714.21 715.34 Yeah , one I think . 714.42 715.34 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 715.88 716.44 715.88 716.44 Most true ? 716.44 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 716.13 722.89 716.13 722.89 Why ? Yeah , it's not just uh designed for people under the age of forty . It's also designed for people above forty . 717.05 717.19 720.5 722.89 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 717.82 718.35 717.82 718.35 Mm . 718.35 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 722.27 727.85 722.27 727.85 Yeah , so so a o one is appropriate ? Or , more like a four . Three . 723.04 725.32 726.04 727.53 727.85 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 722.9 723.36 722.9 723.36 Yeah . 723.36 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 722.93 723.39 722.93 723.39 Yeah . 723.39 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 723.61 723.875 723.61 723.875 So - TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 725.47 729.15 725.47 729.15 No no , a little more in the middle . No , uh three or yeah . 726.0 726.98 727.81 729.15 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 727.34 739.76 727.34 739.76 I have I've Yeah , two or three , because it's not just uh the qu question is aimed at is it designed for people with age below forty . But it's also designed for people of age above forty . So , 729.25 729.88 736.88 739.52 739.76 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 732.68 733.27 732.68 733.27 Okay . 733.27 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 738.5 739.13 738.5 739.13 Ah , exactly . 738.69 739.13 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 740.02 740.49 740.02 740.49 Exactly . 740.49 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 740.9 742.07 740.9 742.07 I'll say it's about three . 742.07 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 741.79 747.791 741.79 747.791 Yeah , it will be primary appealing to to m minus forty , but also appealing to 742.07 745.84 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 742.49 742.85 742.49 742.85 Okay . 742.85 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 742.77 742.96 742.77 742.96 Three . 742.96 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 745.93 746.18 745.93 746.18 Yeah . 746.18 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 747.17 751.12 747.17 751.12 But also for yeah , okay . Uh , second . The remote control is beautiful . 748.43 748.99 749.03 749.65 751.12 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 751.25 753.52 751.25 753.52 Yeah . It's Wow . 752.13 753.52 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 753.563 756.476 753.563 756.476 Yeah , acco according to us , it's one ? Or 754.53 755.68 756.25 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 756.396 757.79 756.396 757.79 Yeah , I I think 757.3 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 756.533 761.82 756.533 761.82 Yeah , it's the marketing uh angle on television . We have a wonderful 757.55 760.51 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 756.712 759.246 756.712 759.246 Yeah . 758.73 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 758.69 759.398 758.69 759.398 Yeah . 759.24 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 759.5 760.36 759.5 760.36 Yeah , p s 760.17 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 761.63 767.52 761.63 767.52 Of c of course you have to be uh very positive and uh enthusiastic about your own product . 767.52 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 766.9 767.11 766.9 767.11 Yeah . 767.11 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 768.1 769.48 768.1 769.48 Well , it's also fancy then . 768.4 769.48 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 768.97 771.63 768.97 771.63 Three . Uh , the remote control looks fancy . 769.65 770.24 771.63 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 772.06 772.33 772.06 772.33 Yes . 772.33 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 772.22 772.47 772.22 772.47 Yeah . 772.47 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 772.77 776.39 772.77 776.39 Yeah . Of course . We have a perfect remote . 774.04 775.21 776.39 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 773.46 773.69 773.46 773.69 One ? 773.69 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 774.06 774.29 774.06 774.29 Yes . 774.29 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 774.18 774.4 774.18 774.4 Yep . 774.4 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 776.35 781.05 776.35 781.05 Good . Four . The remote control has big , clear channel switching buttons . 777.48 777.78 779.32 781.05 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 781.26 781.61 781.26 781.61 Yes . 781.61 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 783.65 785.702 783.65 785.702 Yeah yeah , oh they have to agree but 784.17 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 784.776 787.66 784.776 787.66 Yeah . Leads to user face , yeah . 786.06 787.01 787.66 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 785.55 785.96 785.55 785.96 Yes . 785.96 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 787.09 787.52 787.09 787.52 Daniel . 787.52 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 787.12 789.353 787.12 789.353 I'm the User Interface uh Expert . 789.1 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 788.96 792.17 788.96 792.17 Uh , teletext buttons and volume buttons ? 789.84 792.17 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 792.24 796.31 792.24 796.31 Um , uh no . You you've different menu . 792.96 794.18 796.31 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 792.81 795.34 792.81 795.34 No teletext buttons . Teletext is in the menu . 794.08 795.34 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 795.52 795.94 795.52 795.94 False ? 795.94 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 795.95 796.7 795.95 796.7 Yeah , false . 796.17 796.7 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 798.86 800.36 798.86 800.36 And volume is impo yeah . 800.36 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 799.07 799.99 799.07 799.99 And volume ? 799.99 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 800.03 800.89 800.03 800.89 Volume is true . 800.89 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 801.06 801.47 801.06 801.47 True . 801.47 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 802.18 803.13 802.18 803.13 Uh , hmm . 802.97 803.13 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 803.02 803.85 803.02 803.85 Big and clear ? 803.85 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 804.98 807.9 804.98 807.9 Yeah , the they are big and clear . . 805.38 807.9 807.9 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 805.49 814.82 805.49 814.82 Yeah yeah , big and clear . But you could make a teletext button uh six . Otherwise , the people who read this uh are gonna think we have no teletext button . 806.59 807.39 810.26 810.73 814.82 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 806.68 807.62 806.68 807.62 Yeah , big and clear . 807.01 807.62 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 808.62 808.81 808.62 808.81 Hey . 808.81 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 810.72 810.87 810.72 810.87 Hey . 810.87 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 811.89 812.15 811.89 812.15 Hide . 812.15 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 814.45 824.66 814.45 824.66 Yeah , but but the teletext button . Yeah , you can ch That's in a menu . So , it's w yeah , it it it it isn't entirely unclear , but So , I wouldn't give it a seven . I would give it a more a five or a six . 814.64 815.9 816.06 817.68 817.93 819.17 821.2 821.88 822.86 824.66 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 816.83 818.843 816.83 818.843 It's it's not yeah , it 818.55 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 819.68 819.79 819.68 819.79 J - TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 823.08 824.94 823.08 824.94 No . Yeah . 824.56 824.94 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 824.63 825.82 824.63 825.82 Five ? Okay . 825.46 825.82 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 825.91 828.91 825.91 828.91 Uh , I don I don't know . What do you think , uh Mister Project Manager ? 826.32 826.89 827.5 828.91 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 826.94 828.18 826.94 828.18 Yeah , it's it's yeah . 827.22 828.18 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 827.84 829.24 827.84 829.24 Oh , okay . Well , I agree . 827.94 828.4 828.71 829.24 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 830.52 832.09 830.52 832.09 I was thinking very black and white . 832.09 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 830.9 830.96 830.9 830.96 Hmm . 830.96 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 833.34 833.77 833.34 833.77 Yeah . 833.77 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 833.83 836.5 833.83 836.5 Black and red . 836.26 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 835.068 838.923 835.068 838.923 Thank you J_ . 838.81 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 838.78 842.699 838.78 842.699 Okay , don't forget to save it . Uh 841.19 842.39 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 839.53 842.91 839.53 842.91 Red . Okay . Volume . 840.96 842.32 842.91 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 844.82 846.79 844.82 846.79 The remote control is easy to be found . 846.79 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 847.01 853.2 847.01 853.2 Uh well , when we put in fancy colours , yeah and Yeah . 847.46 849.13 853.2 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 849.692 856.481 849.692 856.481 Fruity . 855.93 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 851.08 857.356 851.08 857.356 Yeah , it has these all these fruity colours and it has a strange shape . So , if you so if you have trouble finding it 851.26 854.16 854.34 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 856.15 861.556 856.15 861.556 But , um it it's not making any sound uh , have we deciding ? So 856.49 859.83 860.82 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 859.88 872.28 859.88 872.28 Oh , okay , but 'kay , look . If you put uh your normal uh remote control under your bed , or you throw this remote control under your bed , is it better findable ? 860.0 860.34 861.54 862.77 868.5 871.21 872.28 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 871.757 878.75 871.757 878.75 It'll make a difference . We have the better re I don't know . Yeah , I think so . My remote control's black . 873.89 876.47 876.63 877.26 878.75 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 878.71 880.04 878.71 880.04 A li little bit maybe ? 880.04 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 879.87 881.27 879.87 881.27 A little bit , but yeah . 880.46 881.27 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 880.37 886.71 880.37 886.71 Yeah . Well , we p we can do it glow in the dark . So , if it's in the dark place , you still see it glowing . 881.51 881.71 884.13 884.36 885.55 886.71 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 881.58 881.93 881.58 881.93 Four ? 881.93 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 882.37 882.524 882.37 882.524 Uh - TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 882.81 883.02 882.81 883.02 Fi - TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 884.028 887.11 884.028 887.11 K yeah . Fo fo yeah fo five is . 885.06 887.11 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 884.3 884.623 884.3 884.623 I - TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 886.0 892.069 886.0 892.069 Ah , I I I think five . It's it's it doesn't really make a lot of 886.34 888.32 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 892.42 898.83 892.42 898.83 Well , then uh then I'll go for four . Because uh four is between three and uh uh also between between true and false . Uh , 892.55 894.78 898.75 898.83 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 894.19 894.53 894.19 894.53 Four ? 894.53 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 898.02 899.27 898.02 899.27 Yeah , okay , you're right . 898.47 898.84 899.27 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 899.228 903.628 899.228 903.628 Yes , but five is between four and six . 901.01 903.18 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 899.98 901.96 899.98 901.96 I think Ah , you must see it as 901.03 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 899.98 900.99 899.98 900.99 so I'll I'll go for four . 900.99 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 903.05 913.38 903.05 913.38 uh , w uh according to uh the the other uh remote controls , there may uh uh be there in your uh T_V_ room , this one will stand out , I think . 903.71 908.38 911.73 912.94 913.38 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 903.64 903.95 903.64 903.95 Wha - TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 908.96 909.41 908.96 909.41 Yeah . 909.41 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 909.89 910.18 909.89 910.18 B_ . 910.18 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 911.08 911.41 911.08 911.41 Yeah . 911.41 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 913.14 914.84 913.14 914.84 Yeah , that that's a better question actually . 913.33 914.84 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 913.54 913.77 913.54 913.77 Yeah . 913.77 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 914.21 915.601 914.21 915.601 Yeah , it it's 914.78 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 914.74 918.45 914.74 918.45 Yeah . If your uh fifteen remotes in a drawer , uh you find it , yeah ? 915.48 917.46 918.2 918.45 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 915.02 917.09 915.02 917.09 Exa I think that that's what it's about . 917.09 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 918.46 924.556 918.46 924.556 If it if this lying on your couch , you're you're you think what's that for kinda orange uh thing . So 920.28 923.92 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 922.53 929.7 922.53 929.7 Yeah , yeah . But but the survey under users was that they uh really lost it . 923.17 923.84 929.7 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 925.73 925.99 925.73 925.99 Yeah . 925.99 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 930.38 931.988 930.38 931.988 Yeah , that's stupid . 930.54 931.66 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 931.58 938.14 931.58 938.14 Like , no not uh not seeing it , but lost it in the house or something . But , okay . 932.58 935.54 937.64 937.8 938.14 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 937.23 937.79 937.23 937.79 Okay . 937.79 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 937.25 938.941 937.25 938.941 Uh , but when you lost it you're just not 937.35 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 938.17 947.85 938.17 947.85 Well , if i if you see a strange shape lying somewhere , uh then you'd uh recognise it as , whoa , that is strange . Yeah . Yeah , what is that . Uh , 938.4 941.18 943.22 943.48 946.14 946.74 947.02 947.75 947.85 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 943.724 949.156 943.724 949.156 That's our remote control . 949.08 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 944.243 952.93 944.243 952.93 Yeah , okay . Yeah , I I agree , I agree . Okay . Eight , the remote control has fresh , fruity colours . 946.33 947.19 947.43 948.31 948.89 949.8 950.54 951.87 952.93 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 944.37 947.773 944.37 947.773 Yeah , mostly when you lose your remote control , it it's under your 944.67 946.79 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 949.07 949.487 949.07 949.487 so it's - TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 949.26 951.292 949.26 951.292 Most of times when you lose it you're sitting on it . Uh 951.11 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 952.65 954.108 952.65 954.108 True . 954.02 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 952.65 959.89 952.65 959.89 Um I would call uh choose two , 'cause we decided not to make two f uh fresh colours , as it would not . 954.79 958.32 959.89 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 956.06 958.73 956.06 958.73 Yeah , yeah , not too flashy . 956.75 957.75 958.73 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 957.89 958.23 957.89 958.23 Yeah . 958.23 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 960.42 962.38 960.42 962.38 The remote control is made of soft material . 962.38 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 962.93 963.39 962.93 963.39 Um , 963.39 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 963.06 964.43 963.06 964.43 Yeah , rubber , is kind of soft . 963.32 963.72 964.43 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 964.35 967.33 964.35 967.33 kinda soft , but but not this . Yeah . 965.07 967.1 967.33 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 964.61 966.64 964.61 966.64 Yeah , but not too soft we have decided . 964.93 966.64 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 966.94 967.23 966.94 967.23 Three ? 967.23 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 968.01 968.59 968.01 968.59 Three , yeah . 968.35 968.59 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 968.77 968.96 968.77 968.96 Yeah . 968.96 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 970.53 973.1 970.53 973.1 Yeah yeah , easy to use , very afford . 971.04 972.2 973.1 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 971.45 972.56 971.45 972.56 Easy to use . One . 972.19 972.56 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 972.91 973.67 972.91 973.67 Easy to use ? 973.67 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 973.57 975.375 973.57 975.375 Yeah , can it be zero ? 973.75 975.3 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 974.59 977.442 974.59 977.442 Well , I don yeah , it is kind of 975.77 976.59 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 976.79 980.21 976.79 980.21 Top easy to use ? It's it's not the most easy to use 978.18 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 978.24 978.627 978.24 978.627 It - TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 979.71 992.12 979.71 992.12 No , you can do two , because um it can be easier . But then you're l yeah , but then you'll lose function f yeah , functionality and our fancy uh look , so . 980.3 981.13 984.12 986.32 989.37 991.65 992.12 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 979.85 980.284 979.85 980.284 No . Uh 979.97 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 981.81 982.75 981.81 982.75 It can be easier . 982.75 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 983.73 984.35 983.73 984.35 It could yeah . 984.35 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 984.0 986.6 984.0 986.6 Jus just with ten buttons , that's the easiest . 985.84 986.6 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 987.82 988.81 987.82 988.81 Functional ability . 988.81 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 988.22 988.53 988.22 988.53 Yeah . 988.53 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 992.14 996.21 992.14 996.21 Yeah , but the most uh easy to use is just with one button 992.36 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 994.05 994.246 994.05 994.246 But - TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 995.06 999.24 995.06 999.24 It is r it is rather easy to use , because you have the primary buttons always visible . 996.82 999.24 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 997.37 997.69 997.37 997.69 on t - TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1000.22 1004.06 1000.22 1004.06 Yeah , okay , but easy n not not the most easy to use , I think . 1000.36 1000.63 1003.61 1004.06 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1000.92 1001.554 1000.92 1001.554 . 1001.554 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1003.26 1007.692 1003.26 1007.692 No , it's it I I'll go for two . My vote's on two . 1003.47 1005.0 1007.44 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1003.56 1003.74 1003.56 1003.74 No . 1003.74 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1005.21 1005.55 1005.21 1005.55 Two ? 1005.55 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1005.87 1006.9 1005.87 1006.9 Yeah , m mine too . 1006.15 1006.9 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1005.93 1007.61 1005.93 1007.61 Okay , two . Yeah , two . 1006.37 1007.02 1007.34 1007.61 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1008.46 1010.38 1008.46 1010.38 We also have to compare it to the uh - TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1012.02 1014.396 1012.02 1014.396 to the remote controls on the market nowadays . So 1014.2 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1014.38 1017.87 1014.38 1017.87 Yeah , but waits just a minutes . Inspiration . 1014.6 1016.79 1017.87 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1020.19 1025.21 1020.19 1025.21 What's the time ? We also have uh to do the evaluation , uh the production costs and uh stuff . 1020.81 1023.21 1025.21 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1022.58 1024.76 1022.58 1024.76 These are the m regular remotes . 1024.76 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1024.99 1029.44 1024.99 1029.44 Yeah yeah , I'm uh hurrying . Okay , eleven . The remote control is innovative . 1025.55 1026.75 1027.4 1027.98 1029.44 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1029.87 1030.25 1029.87 1030.25 Yeah . 1030.25 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1030.01 1031.51 1030.01 1031.51 Yes , true , one . 1030.63 1030.85 1031.51 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1030.37 1030.64 1030.37 1030.64 Yes . 1030.64 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1032.21 1034.38 1032.21 1034.38 A very of course . 1034.38 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1032.36 1033.26 1032.36 1033.26 You're agree , Tim ? 1033.0 1033.26 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1034.77 1039.4 1034.77 1039.4 You haven't seen a more innovative uh thing in uh Paris ? 1039.3 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1037.1 1041.23 1037.1 1041.23 The remote control has m remova removable from Multilux . 1041.23 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1040.2 1041.68 1040.2 1041.68 Yes , one . 1041.21 1041.68 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1042.87 1044.54 1042.87 1044.54 Very multifunctional . 1044.54 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1046.24 1046.46 1046.24 1046.46 No . 1046.46 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1047.4 1052.45 1047.4 1052.45 The remote control , i it has speech recognition . False . 1049.38 1051.92 1052.45 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1052.07 1052.736 1052.07 1052.736 Yes , it 1052.47 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1052.08 1052.53 1052.08 1052.53 False . 1052.53 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1053.78 1055.89 1053.78 1055.89 This is used with speech recognition , this . 1055.65 1055.89 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1055.9 1057.67 1055.9 1057.67 The remote control has built-in games ? 1057.67 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1057.67 1057.94 1057.67 1057.94 Yes . 1057.94 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1059.1 1064.44 1059.1 1064.44 But uh , maybe make it two , because the games are in a sub-menu and not uh it's not an entire game . 1059.52 1060.4 1064.44 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1063.76 1065.44 1063.76 1065.44 Yeah , but they are built in , so it's one . 1063.99 1064.85 1065.44 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1065.23 1066.26 1065.23 1066.26 Yeah , they are built in . 1065.46 1066.26 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1066.23 1066.43 1066.23 1066.43 Yeah . 1066.43 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1066.25 1066.93 1066.25 1066.93 Yeah , okay . 1066.66 1066.93 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1067.74 1068.28 1067.74 1068.28 Not down . 1068.28 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1067.954 1077.388 1067.954 1077.388 Okay . 1077.25 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1068.68 1076.556 1068.68 1076.556 And the last , paren parental advisory function . 1070.99 1076.37 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1070.858 1080.892 1070.858 1080.892 You really like the parental advisory . 1080.43 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1073.33 1074.04 1073.33 1074.04 Yes . 1074.04 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1078.64 1079.804 1078.64 1079.804 Freak . 1079.7 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1078.721 1081.38 1078.721 1081.38 Yes , I do . 1081.03 1081.38 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1080.83 1082.38 1080.83 1082.38 Th did you make this or the - TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1081.92 1082.0 1081.92 1082.0 Bu - TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1082.75 1083.4 1082.75 1083.4 Save as . 1083.4 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1083.55 1086.457 1083.55 1086.457 Yeah , he made it . 1083.78 1086.39 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1084.55 1085.18 1084.55 1085.18 Yeah , 1084.79 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1087.17 1088.17 1087.17 1088.17 It changes it maybe . 1088.17 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1088.65 1090.79 1088.65 1090.79 Okay , I will uh 1089.96 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1093.55 1094.07 1093.55 1094.07 Oh yay . 1094.07 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1093.8 1095.1 1093.8 1095.1 do the the math . 1095.1 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1095.47 1096.37 1095.47 1096.37 Oh dear . 1096.37 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1096.23 1096.96 1096.23 1096.96 Now it's your turn . 1096.96 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1097.21 1097.96 1097.21 1097.96 Okay , thank you . 1097.56 1097.96 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1102.684 1103.83 1102.684 1103.83 We'll see . 1103.83 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1106.99 1107.16 1106.99 1107.16 Hmm ? 1107.16 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1113.18 1113.26 1113.18 1113.26 Mm . 1113.26 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1128.19 1149.48 1128.19 1149.48 Okay , we have now to c uh to calculate the production cost . If it's under uh twelve and half Euro , then it's uh ok uh okay . But i is it if it is b Huh ? No , this isn't right . Okay so , . Redesign . Oh yeah , if they under Yeah . 1128.47 1133.2 1136.33 1140.54 1142.81 1143.24 1144.32 1146.07 1146.07 1147.41 1148.19 1149.48 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1146.78 1148.33 1146.78 1148.33 If they're under twelve fifty . 1148.33 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1150.6 1150.94 1150.6 1150.94 No . 1150.94 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1152.57 1171.212 1152.57 1171.212 Oh yeah . Yeah , it's sorry . Yeah , if the costs are under twelve and a half Euro , uh then we uh can uh ra uh move on to the project evaluation , as we have uh experienced it . Otherwise , we have uh do uh have to do a little uh redesign uh thingy . So 1153.78 1154.21 1155.33 1155.65 1158.11 1164.38 1166.61 1167.0 1170.87 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1152.77 1154.53 1152.77 1154.53 Yeah ? Cau 'cause so it's okay . 1153.2 1154.53 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1173.78 1190.4 1173.78 1190.4 Uh , we have to fill in the numbers of the component uh components . We have to uh fil uh , want to uh do it in and uh see uh if we stay under the twelve and a half Euro . So , do we have uh a hand dynamo ? No . 1174.18 1177.88 1179.98 1187.62 1188.11 1190.05 1190.4 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1190.04 1190.37 1190.04 1190.37 No . 1190.37 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1191.48 1192.2 1191.48 1192.2 That's zero . 1192.2 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1191.69 1191.9 1191.69 1191.9 Me , too . 1191.81 1191.9 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1194.42 1197.08 1194.42 1197.08 Battery , yes . One . One , yeah . 1194.77 1195.36 1196.22 1196.81 1197.08 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1194.74 1196.3 1194.74 1196.3 Yes . Yeah . 1196.05 1196.3 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1195.21 1197.16 1195.21 1197.16 Battery , one ? Okay . 1195.66 1196.77 1197.16 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1198.52 1200.35 1198.52 1200.35 Kinetic , one . Yeah . 1198.97 1200.12 1200.35 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1199.01 1206.58 1199.01 1206.58 Kinetic , one ? Okay , solar cells , zero . Okay , uh simple chip on print ? No ? 1199.49 1200.43 1200.7 1201.51 1202.64 1203.79 1206.17 1206.58 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1199.17 1200.11 1199.17 1200.11 Yeah . Yeah . 1199.87 1200.11 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1202.14 1202.48 1202.14 1202.48 Yeah . 1202.48 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1204.16 1205.62 1204.16 1205.62 Uh , n no . 1204.89 1205.62 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1205.55 1205.71 1205.55 1205.71 No . 1205.71 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1207.89 1208.75 1207.89 1208.75 Advanced chip . 1208.75 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1208.02 1208.32 1208.02 1208.32 No . 1208.32 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1208.04 1212.1 1208.04 1212.1 No , advanced chip . Sample sensor sample speaker ? 1209.24 1210.16 1212.1 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1208.45 1208.79 1208.45 1208.79 No . 1208.79 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1209.46 1209.61 1209.46 1209.61 Yes . 1209.61 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1211.96 1214.455 1211.96 1214.455 No , the advanced chip is uh 1212.57 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1212.21 1212.47 1212.21 1212.47 No . 1212.47 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1212.83 1214.37 1212.83 1214.37 Advanced chip is three . 1214.37 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1215.81 1216.13 1215.81 1216.13 Three ? 1216.13 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1215.97 1217.15 1215.97 1217.15 Three Euros , yep . 1216.95 1217.15 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1217.07 1217.38 1217.07 1217.38 Yeah . 1217.38 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1217.07 1218.744 1217.07 1218.744 Uh , we have one . We have one 1217.24 1218.0 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1217.21 1223.59 1217.21 1223.59 Yeah uh , but it it's one one thing , it's three Euro . Uh , what's the sample sensor ? 1217.54 1219.93 1221.78 1222.45 1223.59 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1219.02 1220.14 1219.02 1220.14 Okay , one piece , yeah . 1219.35 1219.93 1220.14 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1220.092 1220.582 1220.092 1220.582 . 1220.582 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1221.71 1222.8 1221.71 1222.8 No , sev zero . 1221.89 1222.8 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1221.79 1222.24 1221.79 1222.24 No . 1222.24 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1223.94 1227.28 1223.94 1227.28 Well , that's um yeah , speech recognition and s 1224.14 1226.17 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1225.04 1226.61 1225.04 1226.61 Speech recognition , I think . 1226.2 1226.61 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1225.93 1227.92 1225.93 1227.92 Yeah , you give it a sample , uh one . 1226.16 1227.3 1227.92 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1226.73 1227.49 1226.73 1227.49 Okay . 1227.49 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1228.9 1245.04 1228.9 1245.04 Zero . Uh , uncurved flat . No . But is it s it's not made from a single uncurved thingy and then uh and then uh no ? Okay . So it's only uh once double-curved . 1230.06 1230.78 1232.22 1232.88 1240.49 1242.23 1245.04 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1231.7 1231.96 1231.7 1231.96 No . 1231.96 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1231.9 1232.44 1231.9 1232.44 No . 1232.44 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1231.99 1232.44 1231.99 1232.44 A zero . 1232.44 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1234.33 1234.55 1234.33 1234.55 No . 1234.55 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1234.37 1235.35 1234.37 1235.35 You no . 1235.35 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1237.12 1237.87 1237.12 1237.87 No . No . 1237.49 1237.87 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1238.26 1239.212 1238.26 1239.212 Thingy . 1238.88 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1245.2 1245.42 1245.2 1245.42 Yeah . 1245.42 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1245.53 1247.26 1245.53 1247.26 Yes , three . Eight . 1246.2 1247.07 1247.26 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1245.95 1252.175 1245.95 1252.175 Yeah , 'cause um the layer around it fits around the bubbles on the o on the uh the back of the 1246.16 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1250.96 1257.66 1250.96 1257.66 Okay . We're now in a problem , 'cause uh we have uh reached eleven Euro yet . 1251.65 1253.2 1257.66 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1257.28 1260.322 1257.28 1260.322 Uh , we don't have anything else . So 1257.47 1258.61 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1258.69 1260.32 1258.69 1260.32 Okay , go on . Just go on . 1258.95 1259.75 1260.32 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1259.63 1261.074 1259.63 1261.074 Okay , but uh we have 1259.93 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1260.42 1263.87 1260.42 1263.87 Just go on . Then we'll see uh we'll we'll see uh wha how much we are over budget . 1260.92 1263.87 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1264.19 1264.63 1264.19 1264.63 Okay . 1264.63 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1265.17 1268.17 1265.17 1268.17 Could you step a little to the right ma Yeah . Oh , sorry . 1267.68 1267.79 1268.17 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1266.22 1266.55 1266.22 1266.55 Two . 1266.55 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1269.16 1269.49 1269.16 1269.49 Two . 1269.49 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1269.78 1271.18 1269.78 1271.18 Uh , rubber . 1270.76 1271.18 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1270.87 1271.297 1270.87 1271.297 Or - TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1272.4 1272.67 1272.4 1272.67 You . 1272.67 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1272.5 1273.07 1272.5 1273.07 Zero . 1273.07 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1273.22 1273.87 1273.22 1273.87 And zero . 1273.87 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1273.23 1274.956 1273.23 1274.956 Titanium , no ? 1273.92 1274.65 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1274.9 1278.42 1274.9 1278.42 Special uh is the special colour ? Mm . 1277.37 1278.42 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1276.05 1276.84 1276.05 1276.84 Special colour ? 1276.84 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1277.48 1284.755 1277.48 1284.755 I don't think so . No , this is a standard colour . Yes , this is a special colour . 1278.09 1278.39 1282.34 1282.63 1284.19 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1278.38 1278.72 1278.38 1278.72 No . 1278.72 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1279.661 1286.452 1279.661 1286.452 Yeah , but we want to make uh the wood colours , uh that uh 1283.61 1285.47 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1279.72 1289.51 1279.72 1289.51 Yeah . Yeah , if if you're honest , we'll uh type one , special colour . 1286.1 1286.9 1287.84 1288.83 1289.51 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1280.222 1282.68 1280.222 1282.68 S - TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1288.5 1294.35 1288.5 1294.35 Yeah , but but D but Daniel , tha that's that's another brand . That's another article 1288.74 1290.72 1293.21 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1289.264 1290.41 1289.264 1290.41 That's an add-on . 1290.41 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1290.79 1291.51 1290.79 1291.51 Yeah , one . 1291.06 1291.51 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1295.66 1296.19 1295.66 1296.19 to sell . 1296.19 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1296.48 1296.94 1296.48 1296.94 Yeah . 1296.94 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1297.94 1302.383 1297.94 1302.383 Yeah , but we we going to yeah yeah , that's true . But yeah , it's it's it 1298.09 1299.8 1301.1 1301.67 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1301.83 1305.94 1301.83 1305.94 Uh , j maybe we'll finish uh the the list first and then look back , aye ? 1302.28 1305.83 1305.94 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1301.84 1304.5 1301.84 1304.5 That doesn't account for this . Producing this . 1303.63 1304.5 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1305.51 1307.4 1305.51 1307.4 Okay , the push-button , no . 1306.2 1306.99 1307.4 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1307.51 1309.06 1307.51 1309.06 No . Scroll wheel , no . 1308.17 1308.79 1309.06 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1308.89 1309.9 1308.89 1309.9 Scroll-wheel , no . 1309.6 1309.9 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1310.092 1311.08 1310.092 1311.08 No . 1311.08 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1311.02 1326.35 1311.02 1326.35 No . Oh , no . Yes , one . Uh , button , no . No , the the we don't have a s no . Okay . Oh , okay . So , um what's the thing we can change ? 1311.8 1312.13 1313.12 1313.57 1314.72 1315.74 1316.39 1317.22 1317.68 1321.03 1322.33 1322.41 1323.11 1323.72 1326.35 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1314.26 1314.87 1314.26 1314.87 One , yeah . 1314.78 1314.87 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1316.77 1317.07 1316.77 1317.07 No . 1317.07 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1317.12 1319.94 1317.12 1319.94 No . Mm , is it No . No . 1317.77 1318.53 1319.77 1319.94 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1318.56 1318.89 1318.56 1318.89 These three . 1318.89 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1320.06 1320.47 1320.06 1320.47 No . 1320.47 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1320.09 1323.18 1320.09 1323.18 Well , we're only four Euro over budget . But 1320.52 1322.95 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1322.62 1323.108 1322.62 1323.108 So - TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1326.5 1327.43 1326.5 1327.43 No . No . 1327.24 1327.43 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1326.5 1329.99 1326.5 1329.99 Well , other case , we can make it single-curved or uncurved . 1326.79 1327.66 1329.99 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1330.3 1330.47 1330.3 1330.47 Yeah . 1330.47 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1330.33 1343.69 1330.33 1343.69 Uh , can I uh I say something ? No , can I say something uh as Project Manager ? The kinetic thing , can we just skip it , because uh you have to shake it , but that's not really innovative . 1330.87 1333.35 1333.65 1337.51 1338.69 1339.91 1341.83 1343.69 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1330.43 1332.66 1330.43 1332.66 Mm , single-curves . 1331.77 1332.66 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1333.23 1335.385 1333.23 1335.385 Yeah , of course . 1333.68 1335.0 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1334.38 1334.62 1334.38 1334.62 Yeah . 1334.62 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1337.08 1341.072 1337.08 1341.072 Just cut off the kine yeah . Or yeah . 1340.15 1340.86 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1339.94 1340.91 1339.94 1340.91 Yeah . Okay , sure . 1340.33 1340.6 1340.91 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1343.29 1346.71 1343.29 1346.71 Yeah , we just put a good battery it it . Mobile phones nowadays . 1343.56 1345.29 1346.71 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1344.26 1344.53 1344.26 1344.53 Yeah . 1344.53 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1345.86 1364.43 1345.86 1364.43 Daniel . Daniel , what do you think about Here . What do you think about uh putting a battery in it , but also selling like uh the covers , a docking station just apart from the from the thing , so that you can uh put uh 1346.85 1348.08 1349.82 1353.47 1357.22 1362.29 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1346.06 1350.129 1346.06 1350.129 Yeah . Yo . Sorry , yeah , yes . 1347.55 1348.33 1348.73 1348.97 1349.87 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1353.06 1353.37 1353.06 1353.37 Yeah . 1353.37 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1361.93 1362.23 1361.93 1362.23 Mm-hmm . 1362.23 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1365.69 1369.343 1365.69 1369.343 rechargeable batteries in it and just - TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1367.89 1368.32 1367.89 1368.32 Okay . 1368.32 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1368.38 1373.55 1368.38 1373.55 But you can use rechargeable batteries anyway , just you s you have to recharge them manual . 1370.81 1373.55 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1371.98 1378.13 1371.98 1378.13 Yeah , and not really . But we if you forget about the kinetic , well if we do that , 1372.28 1373.75 1377.04 1378.13 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1372.62 1373.56 1372.62 1373.56 Yeah , yeah , okay . 1373.04 1373.29 1373.56 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1375.03 1376.39 1375.03 1376.39 Just an idea . Yeah . 1376.16 1376.39 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1376.08 1377.66 1376.08 1377.66 Yeah , that's a cost reduc 1376.39 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1376.14 1376.69 1376.14 1376.69 Yeah , sure . 1376.4 1376.69 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1379.34 1380.31 1379.34 1380.31 we shall . 1380.31 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1380.7 1381.273 1380.7 1381.273 Ah . 1381.03 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1381.0 1384.3 1381.0 1384.3 Okay , well you you can go from double-curved to single-curved . 1381.34 1384.3 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1381.67 1382.645 1381.67 1382.645 So um - TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1384.81 1385.67 1384.81 1385.67 Yeah , of course . 1385.19 1385.67 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1386.02 1387.72 1386.02 1387.72 And that would solve the budget problem . 1387.72 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1388.03 1393.485 1388.03 1393.485 Uh , b but i but the single-curved is just oh 1388.53 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1388.29 1390.861 1388.29 1390.861 Yeah , so we have to bake the ba back flat , and then 1388.6 1390.49 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1390.98 1391.15 1390.98 1391.15 Yeah . 1391.15 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1393.0 1395.116 1393.0 1395.116 It's just yeah well , the single-curve that 1394.13 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1393.24 1398.826 1393.24 1398.826 No , it's it's just one curve and not a back uh curved I think . Or 1393.85 1398.5 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1398.26 1402.5 1398.26 1402.5 Oh , okay , okay . So that's wh tha that's one option . 1398.34 1399.0 1399.99 1402.5 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1398.75 1400.03 1398.75 1400.03 Yeah . Exactly , yeah . 1399.32 1399.77 1400.03 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1399.946 1402.086 1399.946 1402.086 Or are these two curves ? Uh 1401.58 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1400.32 1400.51 1400.32 1400.51 Yeah . 1400.51 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1403.8 1411.65 1403.8 1411.65 And then w yeah , and then we could have it , but uh it's its' well it's it's r it is the main point of the the the the look . 1404.69 1406.03 1411.65 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1406.02 1406.817 1406.02 1406.817 Yeah , 1406.65 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1410.74 1415.99 1410.74 1415.99 Yeah , but what else uh do we have to cut out ? No advanced chip , uh that's a little bit of problem . 1411.0 1413.62 1414.67 1415.99 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1413.57 1414.539 1413.57 1414.539 We going to cut - TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1415.86 1419.1 1415.86 1419.1 No , tho uh that that can be done . So uh , 1416.08 1418.26 1419.1 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1416.23 1416.48 1416.23 1416.48 Yeah . 1416.48 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1418.7 1420.72 1418.7 1420.72 Although , can we make it with a regular chip ? 1419.06 1420.72 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1420.27 1423.71 1420.27 1423.71 okay , a little less uh conversation . 1421.07 1423.71 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1423.15 1423.58 1423.15 1423.58 Curvy . 1423.58 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1423.56 1429.474 1423.56 1429.474 Hey , those ar arcs , why are there for ? The blue blue uh 1424.03 1426.73 1428.12 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1427.98 1428.26 1427.98 1428.26 Sorry ? 1428.26 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1430.67 1433.35 1430.67 1433.35 Fill in Just a - TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1433.47 1433.9 1433.47 1433.9 Okay . 1433.9 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1433.74 1436.075 1433.74 1436.075 Explanation . Twelve fifty . Well 1434.61 1435.53 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1434.51 1436.74 1434.51 1436.74 explanation . I can delete it for you if you want . 1435.42 1436.74 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1436.8 1437.52 1436.8 1437.52 No , no no . 1437.21 1437.52 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1437.89 1444.03 1437.89 1444.03 So , if we do this , uh we're on uh twelve and a half Euro . And we're done . 1438.18 1439.15 1443.45 1444.03 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1444.9 1448.77 1444.9 1448.77 Yeah , but does it fit with our design ? Do we have to u adapt it ? 1445.25 1447.63 1448.77 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1447.813 1451.965 1447.813 1451.965 Uh well , the only uh thing that don't 1449.44 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1451.66 1452.67 1451.66 1452.67 It's single-curves . 1452.67 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1452.56 1455.338 1452.56 1455.338 Yeah , single-curved , but there's a curve in it . So 1452.98 1453.62 1454.83 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1453.07 1453.3 1453.07 1453.3 Yeah . 1453.3 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1453.58 1454.03 1453.58 1454.03 W - TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1454.9 1458.986 1454.9 1458.986 Could we just make the bubbles uh cut off the back , and then we're uh has 1457.54 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1458.66 1462.34 1458.66 1462.34 Yeah , we just make it flat . But , you do l 1458.91 1460.89 1461.26 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1460.24 1460.56 1460.24 1460.56 Okay . 1460.56 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1460.54 1471.027 1460.54 1471.027 But , wha 'Kay , look , what is the uh If you make it double-curved , it costs one Euro more . But 1461.57 1462.48 1462.99 1467.67 1470.58 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1469.14 1471.69 1469.14 1471.69 More . Yeah . You make it optional . 1469.94 1470.73 1471.69 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1472.35 1472.95 1472.35 1472.95 No , but 1472.74 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1474.47 1480.06 1474.47 1480.06 does it have a lot of extra uh fun function more like - TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1477.38 1477.8 1477.38 1477.8 Function . 1477.8 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1478.4 1478.92 1478.4 1478.92 Functional . 1478.92 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1479.68 1482.703 1479.68 1482.703 Worth , does it have added worth ? No , um 1480.14 1482.22 1482.31 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1480.23 1483.84 1480.23 1483.84 Uh , there's an a a athe aesthetic value , but not functionality . 1480.3 1482.67 1483.84 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1481.49 1481.8 1481.49 1481.8 Yeah . 1481.8 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1483.36 1485.69 1483.36 1485.69 Yeah , it's really a static value . Yeah . 1483.6 1485.32 1485.69 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1484.1 1485.15 1484.1 1485.15 Yeah , uh aesthetic . 1484.21 1485.15 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1486.42 1491.24 1486.42 1491.24 I mean , uh you make like eleven and a half Euros profit 1487.34 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1493.55 1494.956 1493.55 1494.956 instead of twelve and a half . But 1494.74 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1496.35 1500.39 1496.35 1500.39 I don't know if twelve and a half is uh a fixed uh fixed price . 1500.39 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1501.26 1518.93 1501.26 1518.93 Yeah , well let's assume it is . We we should assume it i that it is . But I I figured that the kinetic would be a marketing promotion . R if you uh promote a kinetic um I kinetic remote control , I mean , that would b sell better than an a normal remote control . 1501.45 1503.11 1505.49 1509.46 1515.92 1516.14 1518.93 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1501.48 1503.18 1501.48 1503.18 Yeah , it is . Oh . 1501.73 1503.06 1503.18 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1501.5 1503.16 1501.5 1503.16 No , we can't go above that . Yeah ? 1501.61 1502.99 1503.16 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1504.83 1505.86 1504.83 1505.86 Yeah , okay . 1505.44 1505.86 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1504.88 1505.3 1504.88 1505.3 Yeah . 1505.3 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1505.12 1506.64 1505.12 1506.64 Yeah , okay . Then it's okay . 1505.56 1506.08 1506.64 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1519.12 1519.46 1519.12 1519.46 Yeah . 1519.46 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1519.15 1524.777 1519.15 1524.777 Yeah . Do you think ? Well , now you can shake your remote control . 1520.21 1521.46 1521.65 1524.5 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1521.05 1521.94 1521.05 1521.94 Yeah , I think so . 1521.41 1521.94 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1523.48 1532.3 1523.48 1532.3 No , well , y I mean uh , y you can go into your neighbour and tell him , ha , my k uh remote control is kinetic . You have standard old battery control uh remote con 1523.63 1523.98 1524.69 1526.4 1526.89 1528.88 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1527.419 1529.25 1527.419 1529.25 Kinetic . 1529.25 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1528.98 1529.34 1528.98 1529.34 Yeah . 1529.34 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1530.18 1530.45 1530.18 1530.45 Yeah . 1530.45 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1531.88 1536.82 1531.88 1536.82 What a what about all the m the environment freaks ? Not freaks , the envi 1535.72 1536.32 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1532.02 1532.35 1532.02 1532.35 Yeah . 1532.35 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1535.99 1539.017 1535.99 1539.017 Yeah , but it doesn't fit in our co cost profile . So 1536.19 1538.42 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1538.7 1541.276 1538.7 1541.276 No . I I think it's it's 1539.95 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1539.95 1540.23 1539.95 1540.23 True . 1540.23 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1543.14 1544.06 1543.14 1544.06 It look like this one . 1544.06 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1544.67 1548.07 1544.67 1548.07 You ma can make an an especialised extra gold version . 1548.07 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1545.36 1545.68 1545.36 1545.68 Yeah ? 1545.68 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1547.69 1557.88 1547.69 1557.88 Who because if you want to go to kinetic , you're uh you're on thirteen and a half and you must go to flat , and I think now it's it's more of uh a compromise 1550.01 1554.76 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1557.67 1558.07 1557.67 1558.07 Yeah . 1558.07 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1558.42 1558.68 1558.42 1558.68 Yeah . 1558.68 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1558.82 1559.08 1558.82 1559.08 thing . 1559.08 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1560.67 1564.24 1560.67 1564.24 And if you make the single curve ha just a big curve , 1564.24 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1565.31 1577.63 1565.31 1577.63 then it's uh then it's uh yeah , one big good curve . I was going to uh say nasty words , but I don't . This is strange by the way . 1569.07 1572.53 1575.42 1576.49 1577.63 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1567.28 1570.268 1567.28 1570.268 Yeah , just one big curve . 1567.69 1570.03 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1578.8 1584.62 1578.8 1584.62 Wood is m is is is cheaper than rubber . We thought that wood would be more expensive . 1581.88 1584.62 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1582.01 1582.34 1582.01 1582.34 Yeah . 1582.34 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1583.62 1587.036 1583.62 1587.036 Uh , this uh American figures . You just cut down some trees . 1583.92 1585.41 1586.74 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1587.0 1595.03 1587.0 1595.03 Yeah , maybe . But uh that this is this is it ? Yeah . Okay , this is it . I'm gonna save it . 1587.56 1588.88 1591.81 1592.66 1592.96 1594.22 1595.03 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1592.07 1592.54 1592.07 1592.54 This is it . 1592.54 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1593.01 1595.83 1593.01 1595.83 Whoever makes uh a remote control out of titanium . 1595.83 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1596.9 1597.23 1596.9 1597.23 Yeah . 1597.23 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1597.18 1598.316 1597.18 1598.316 Yes . 1598.08 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1598.26 1605.676 1598.26 1605.676 It is possible , but you can't use double uh curves for titanium . That's one of the functionability uh 1598.89 1603.73 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1603.11 1603.41 1603.11 1603.41 No . 1603.41 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1605.66 1606.78 1605.66 1606.78 Okay , well , 1606.41 1606.78 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1608.29 1609.564 1608.29 1609.564 considering we have - TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1610.32 1613.61 1610.32 1613.61 Ah no , we have to do all those hours again . 1611.37 1613.61 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1615.38 1617.1 1615.38 1617.1 Go back . One back ? 1616.67 1617.1 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1618.72 1622.682 1618.72 1622.682 Costs on uh No redesign . 1622.58 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1622.12 1627.064 1622.12 1627.064 Well , we were above , so we did a little redesign 1622.34 1624.6 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1624.66 1624.94 1624.66 1624.94 Yeah . 1624.94 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1625.41 1629.45 1625.41 1629.45 We sue . We Yeah , we'll start her all o all over again . 1626.17 1627.66 1629.45 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1626.05 1627.37 1626.05 1627.37 Yeah , okay , yeah . 1626.64 1627.24 1627.37 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1628.6 1644.74 1628.6 1644.74 Okay , um now uh it's about time to uh talk about uh this project . Uh , some uh things . Were there uh room for uh was there room for creativity in our meetings or in your individual meetings ? 1629.44 1635.88 1636.6 1638.07 1644.74 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1642.2 1643.075 1642.2 1643.075 Um - TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1642.27 1642.63 1642.27 1642.63 Hmm . 1642.63 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1644.98 1664.58 1644.98 1664.58 I I didn't think so . That there was a lot of room for it . But , that's mainly because uh of the information that was delivered to us . It was just fixed information and get your stuff from there , and I couldn't go on on i on the internet and search my own stuff . Bu 1647.66 1650.97 1651.45 1656.37 1659.77 1664.41 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1655.49 1655.78 1655.49 1655.78 Yeah . 1655.78 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1660.32 1660.65 1660.32 1660.65 Yeah . 1660.65 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1663.39 1667.52 1663.39 1667.52 Yeah , yeah , yeah . That's true . I agree with that . 1664.19 1664.65 1665.84 1666.77 1667.52 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1668.27 1678.06 1668.27 1678.06 Well , I th I think you two , uh especially you and uh and uh Daniel , you d you you both had uh the less creative uh roles in the project . 1668.71 1669.98 1672.97 1678.06 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1676.92 1677.15 1676.92 1677.15 Yeah . 1677.15 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1677.23 1678.74 1677.23 1678.74 Yeah . That's true . 1678.2 1678.74 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1679.33 1683.9 1679.33 1683.9 For us , there was a lot of creativity . We could just sign up an uh remote if we liked . 1679.68 1681.04 1683.9 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1679.41 1680.51 1679.41 1680.51 'Cause I think m - TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1683.92 1685.89 1683.92 1685.89 Yeah . Yeah , that's true . 1685.01 1685.37 1685.89 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1684.32 1684.57 1684.32 1684.57 Yeah . 1684.57 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1686.65 1693.62 1686.65 1693.62 I think Jeroen and I , we had a more design we could have more we had more room for creativity than than you two . 1687.73 1693.62 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1692.92 1693.22 1692.92 1693.22 Yeah . 1693.22 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1693.83 1695.25 1693.83 1695.25 Yeah . Yeah , that's true . 1694.72 1694.9 1695.25 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1695.65 1699.644 1695.65 1699.644 Okay . Uh how about the leadership ? 1696.97 1699.52 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1698.3 1699.837 1698.3 1699.837 Uh - TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1699.17 1700.31 1699.17 1700.31 Ha . 1700.31 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1699.9 1701.49 1699.9 1701.49 Leadership was uh crappy . 1701.49 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1701.436 1702.87 1701.436 1702.87 Crappy . Cra 1702.74 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1701.656 1712.757 1701.656 1712.757 Nah , the leadership wasn't crappy , it was the leader that was crappy . Nah . No , the leadership was okay . 1702.84 1703.89 1705.81 1707.67 1708.42 1712.7 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1704.876 1709.741 1704.876 1709.741 Yeah . 1709.44 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1704.906 1706.76 1704.906 1706.76 Okay . 1706.76 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1705.056 1711.871 1705.056 1711.871 Okay , thank you very much . Now we're done . 1708.08 1710.02 1711.6 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1710.836 1714.07 1710.836 1714.07 Yeah , example of crappy leadershi 1712.75 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1713.82 1715.33 1713.82 1715.33 No , leadership was uh 1714.07 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1715.5 1716.46 1715.5 1716.46 Okay , yeah . 1715.93 1716.46 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1716.32 1738.21 1716.32 1738.21 Okay , I thought uh the first meeting was a little bit of unstructured meeting . Uh , you could have but uh , it was your first , no uh no disrespect or something , but you could have uh structure it a l little bit more . So like , I I was talking most of the time the first meeting meeting , and Yeah . But 1717.07 1721.83 1722.19 1723.66 1724.48 1726.6 1730.03 1731.53 1735.25 1737.64 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1716.54 1717.24 1716.54 1717.24 Yeah , it was good . 1716.79 1717.24 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1721.38 1722.31 1721.38 1722.31 Yeah , that's true . 1721.79 1722.31 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1730.06 1730.33 1730.06 1730.33 Yeah . 1730.33 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1734.61 1736.516 1734.61 1736.516 You could of said , shut up you fool . 1735.16 1736.41 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1735.8 1736.08 1735.8 1736.08 Yeah . 1736.08 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1737.09 1743.27 1737.09 1743.27 Yeah . I notice it too . I was a I was also very uh unhappy , uh very unsatisfied uh about the 1737.8 1738.49 1741.12 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1743.5 1746.311 1743.5 1746.311 About me . 1746.06 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1744.3 1750.88 1744.3 1750.88 about the first meeting . So , uh I hope uh uh the the the other meetings uh 1746.04 1746.39 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1749.35 1752.543 1749.35 1752.543 Yeah , you made up . 1749.61 1752.44 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1749.39 1753.216 1749.39 1753.216 Try to learn from your mistake . And we will never do it again . 1750.89 1752.95 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1752.78 1761.5 1752.78 1761.5 get better and uh I think the the last two meetings uh also we we reached uh some good decisions about uh talk yeah . 1761.5 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1754.54 1755.9 1754.54 1755.9 No , it you did better . 1754.85 1755.9 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1759.37 1764.09 1759.37 1764.09 Yeah , more more consensus . Ev everybody w was agreeing every Yeah . 1759.68 1760.91 1764.09 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1760.9 1761.07 1760.9 1761.07 Yeah . 1761.07 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1762.5 1763.69 1762.5 1763.69 Much more constructive . 1763.69 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1763.42 1771.079 1763.42 1771.079 Okay , so uh that's cool . Uh , teamwork ? Well , maybe that's uh only Yeah well , it's for us , because uh 1763.95 1765.85 1766.33 1767.38 1767.6 1769.83 1770.48 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1770.3 1775.777 1770.3 1775.777 Well , we work together on a project , but everybody has his own task . So , it is a little bit 1770.61 1772.18 1774.23 1774.47 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1772.32 1772.6 1772.32 1772.6 Yeah . 1772.6 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1774.22 1780.572 1774.22 1780.572 Yeah and it's wo more like presentation and some points were discussed . But , really teamwork were you two uh 1777.94 1778.51 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1777.87 1778.954 1777.87 1778.954 Yeah . No 1778.45 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1781.05 1781.61 1781.05 1781.61 Two guys . 1781.61 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1781.12 1782.2 1781.12 1782.2 Well , it went okay . 1781.46 1782.2 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1782.38 1783.07 1782.38 1783.07 The - TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1782.42 1785.955 1782.42 1785.955 Yeah , that went w it went well . It's it's just uh 1782.72 1783.81 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1784.02 1784.23 1784.02 1784.23 Yeah ? 1784.23 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1784.604 1787.956 1784.604 1787.956 Stupid stupid pen , but uh 1787.46 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1785.58 1786.51 1785.58 1786.51 No hard feelings . 1786.51 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1787.0 1790.143 1787.0 1790.143 Nah . Yeah , we we had some trouble with the pen , but 1788.1 1788.4 1789.89 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1789.94 1792.76 1789.94 1792.76 Yeah . Now you you must push a little while . 1790.96 1792.76 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1792.88 1801.51 1792.88 1801.51 Yeah , but but draw something uh difficult . D uh just write your name right now . Try to write your name , in in writing letters , of course , yeah ? 1793.21 1796.28 1798.36 1799.92 1800.91 1801.36 1801.51 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1793.24 1794.208 1793.24 1794.208 Yeah , but us 1793.47 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1796.27 1796.69 1796.27 1796.69 Yeah . 1796.69 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1799.35 1799.75 1799.35 1799.75 Okay . 1799.75 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1806.94 1810.67 1806.94 1810.67 Yeah , normally , uh this uh the w Block letter sign it , yeah ? 1807.16 1808.37 1810.45 1810.67 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1811.82 1813.9 1811.82 1813.9 O Just uh okay . 1813.9 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1812.28 1818.268 1812.28 1818.268 Just just write your name in in one line . If it's a little bit too small bit quicker now . It didn't 1814.45 1817.8 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1817.88 1822.07 1817.88 1822.07 You can be you can go quicker , 'cause then it it won't notice it . 1819.78 1822.07 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1822.54 1824.18 1822.54 1824.18 Uh he he knows how it works , yeah . 1823.93 1824.18 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1823.858 1825.23 1823.858 1825.23 Oh . 1825.23 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1824.95 1840.62 1824.95 1840.62 I follow the Master class for the SMARTboard , so I think that's the that's the main issue . Um , so uh about this one you were uh you're dealing with , um the the the the digital pen . 1826.99 1830.94 1831.71 1837.82 1840.62 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1830.14 1830.5 1830.14 1830.5 Okay . 1830.5 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1832.14 1832.7 1832.14 1832.7 Means . 1832.7 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1837.34 1839.25 1837.34 1839.25 Y well , yeah . Th the i 1837.77 1838.56 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1840.85 1843.84 1840.85 1843.84 The idea is great , but it doesn't work properly . Uh 1841.86 1843.74 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1842.29 1843.87 1842.29 1843.87 Okay . Yeah . 1843.6 1843.87 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1843.57 1857.32 1843.57 1857.32 Digital pen , I thought uh th the first time I did individual work , I used it . But , a and the first two meetings I brought it with me , but I didn't use it at all after the first the first meeting . 1844.26 1847.99 1849.21 1849.42 1853.25 1857.32 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1848.86 1849.15 1848.86 1849.15 Yeah . 1849.15 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1855.15 1855.4 1855.15 1855.4 No . 1855.4 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1855.9 1856.21 1855.9 1856.21 Yeah . 1856.21 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1856.26 1859.246 1856.26 1859.246 No , I have it working . But , uh yeah , well uh 1856.46 1857.19 1858.4 1858.72 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1858.52 1860.99 1858.52 1860.99 It's it's not real real use for me . 1860.99 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1860.54 1862.894 1860.54 1862.894 No , it doesn't have that much added value to the 1860.76 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1861.2 1861.45 1861.2 1861.45 Huh . 1861.45 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1862.48 1870.261 1862.48 1870.261 Nee . As uh as I said a m a c few moments ago , it I would like , myself , to write with a normal pen , because must um 1863.27 1865.6 1866.64 1867.11 1868.4 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1862.88 1863.244 1862.88 1863.244 Well - TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1871.3 1882.84 1871.3 1882.84 Yeah , it's almost the same concept , but you can just sim more simply put it on our scanner . I it's the same concept as the pen , where you f have to download the software or s uh very uh slow . 1871.49 1872.63 1876.73 1878.51 1882.84 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1873.02 1873.35 1873.02 1873.35 Yeah . 1873.35 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1877.68 1877.97 1877.68 1877.97 M yeah . 1877.97 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1882.18 1882.38 1882.18 1882.38 Yeah . 1882.38 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1883.94 1887.47 1883.94 1887.47 And it is still your own handwriting uh popping up in uh Word . 1887.47 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1885.76 1888.53 1885.76 1888.53 Yes . No , and it doesn't give any added value . 1886.16 1886.46 1888.53 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1889.21 1890.91 1889.21 1890.91 No , uh that's true . No . 1889.62 1890.67 1890.91 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1889.61 1890.56 1889.61 1890.56 Not really , no . 1890.33 1890.56 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1892.09 1904.146 1892.09 1904.146 And uh the SMARTboard is uh useful , but the the pen is I uh not user-friendly , I think . Be it it takes a lot of time to draw things and to write things , and that's the 1895.33 1898.29 1899.45 1903.12 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1898.34 1899.95 1898.34 1899.95 Yeah , not user-friendly . 1899.07 1899.95 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1898.64 1899.19 1898.64 1899.19 Yeah . 1899.19 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1902.11 1905.294 1902.11 1905.294 Yeah , and it's it's not very precise . We're trying to m to 1902.41 1904.12 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1904.23 1906.19 1904.23 1906.19 Yeah , like when you do this . 1905.05 1906.19 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1906.94 1914.79 1906.94 1914.79 Yeah , it may um Yeah , and tr try to wri write your name uh in a in a normal uh size , yeah . Smaller . 1907.15 1909.08 1913.65 1914.31 1914.79 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1915.73 1916.18 1915.73 1916.18 Smaller ? 1916.18 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1916.46 1918.88 1916.46 1918.88 Yeah , smaller . Just like when you're writing on a letter . 1916.72 1917.24 1918.88 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1920.06 1926.95 1920.06 1926.95 Yeah , but that's not th the the you when you at a foreign audience , you b don't gonna wr uh write uh small . 1920.27 1924.25 1926.95 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1925.62 1929.93 1925.62 1929.93 No , a as you saw on on this drawing , just open open this one or that one . 1925.87 1927.74 1929.93 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1931.1 1941.107 1931.1 1941.107 It's uh th it it Yeah , uh we had more problems even here when we trying to draw these buttons , it's almost impossible to get clear uh when you're uh 1932.5 1937.1 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1938.53 1938.84 1938.53 1938.84 Yeah . 1938.84 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1941.87 1943.11 1941.87 1943.11 Oh . Sorry . 1942.6 1943.11 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1942.66 1946.316 1942.66 1946.316 But maybe there's some function with no , it isn't . With uh 1944.87 1945.75 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1946.23 1952.265 1946.23 1952.265 And the eraser was another problem . It w t is is this large . And when you try to erase this line , y 1947.76 1949.6 1951.3 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1951.28 1951.63 1951.28 1951.63 Yeah . 1951.63 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1953.36 1955.768 1953.36 1955.768 Well , I'm gonna erase my uh name . 1953.56 1955.48 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1955.46 1957.0 1955.46 1957.0 I'm gonna erase my name there . 1957.0 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1958.61 1960.83 1958.61 1960.83 Yeah , it's a big uh big eraser . 1958.8 1960.83 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1960.13 1961.93 1960.13 1961.93 Okay . New ideas ? 1961.08 1961.93 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1962.47 1965.13 1962.47 1965.13 M Abo What kind of new ideas ? 1965.13 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1963.29 1963.868 1963.29 1963.868 Um - TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1965.95 1968.956 1965.95 1968.956 Well , the the idea of the touch-screen is uh 1966.26 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1969.34 1974.015 1969.34 1974.015 Do you ? Go on . 1972.83 1973.79 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1970.42 1971.004 1970.42 1971.004 Yeah , uh 1970.82 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1974.22 1975.249 1974.22 1975.249 I'm just uh - TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1974.96 1980.62 1974.96 1980.62 New ideas about uh the working of this software , about about the project , about the remote controls or 1977.68 1978.82 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1978.15 1980.0 1978.15 1980.0 Yeah . Mm , yeah , I think so . 1979.06 1979.13 1979.36 1980.0 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1981.4 1982.75 1981.4 1982.75 I don't know what what I mean . 1982.75 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 1985.308 2001.92 1985.308 2001.92 No . Oh . 2001.66 2001.92 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 1986.2 1986.43 1986.2 1986.43 Hello . 1986.43 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 1990.98 2012.96 1990.98 2012.96 Did you heard what he said ? I don't I don't know what I mean . Oh , I have some figure . Here . The eva the evaluation , the mm the mean uh number is uh one point eight one point eight six . So that's fairly uh fairly good , I think . 1992.77 1998.26 1998.7 2000.59 2001.5 2004.69 2010.88 2012.55 2012.96 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 1992.428 1998.172 1992.428 1998.172 Know what I mean . 1997.83 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2004.13 2004.63 2004.13 2004.63 Oh yeah . 2004.63 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2010.53 2011.35 2010.53 2011.35 That's interesting . 2011.35 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2012.98 2014.71 2012.98 2014.71 Okay , because what does it mean ? 2013.54 2014.71 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2013.01 2013.24 2013.01 2013.24 Yeah . 2013.24 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2014.89 2015.55 2014.89 2015.55 So true . 2015.55 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2015.3 2016.9 2015.3 2016.9 Uh , that uh 2015.65 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2018.06 2020.88 2018.06 2020.88 All the mo yeah , are between one and two . 2019.6 2020.88 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2018.12 2023.61 2018.12 2023.61 all the requirements uh are true or very true , right . Yep . 2023.1 2023.45 2023.61 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2021.94 2033.71 2021.94 2033.71 Yeah . Oh , okay . Yeah , okay . Thank you , expert . But the new ideas found for uh wi with working with this uh software ? 2022.6 2022.73 2023.94 2024.43 2025.61 2026.57 2029.72 2033.71 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2034.97 2057.628 2034.97 2057.628 Not really , just they have to improve it . Uh , the concept is okay , but it has to be quicker . Uh , it is still opening my programme , n almo almost uh my entire computer is locked up during the process and it , yeah , just takes too many time . People will still feel the need to to write it quickly on uh a page and not download it and save it , and 2035.87 2037.49 2037.55 2039.54 2041.75 2041.91 2044.72 2049.59 2049.8 2051.07 2057.43 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2035.82 2036.4 2035.82 2036.4 Not really , yeah ? 2036.26 2036.4 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2038.37 2039.244 2038.37 2039.244 Yeah , I think 2038.77 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2047.75 2048.1 2047.75 2048.1 Yeah . 2048.1 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2054.68 2055.09 2054.68 2055.09 Yeah . 2055.09 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2058.17 2063.431 2058.17 2063.431 You had expected it to to be uh more more uh - TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2063.94 2070.77 2063.94 2070.77 More user-friendly . 'Cause when you use a pen , you can just draw like you d draw normally , and you do 2065.41 2066.66 2069.84 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2065.36 2065.66 2065.36 2065.66 Yeah . 2065.66 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2067.58 2067.91 2067.58 2067.91 Yeah . 2067.91 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2068.85 2079.05 2068.85 2079.05 Yeah . May maybe the idea you proposed is uh a screen here . And draw it , and it's it's placed over there . 2069.88 2075.71 2076.42 2079.05 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2075.7 2076.04 2075.7 2076.04 Yeah . 2076.04 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2076.61 2076.89 2076.61 2076.89 Yeah . 2076.89 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2077.66 2078.19 2077.66 2078.19 Yeah , that l 2077.91 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2079.41 2079.76 2079.41 2079.76 Yeah . 2079.76 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2079.57 2094.64 2079.57 2094.64 Would be easier . Or at least when you you don't have to adapt to the technology , just you can write in the way you normally write . And now you have to um keep constantly in mind that you're drawing on this screen . And that's a very bad concept . 2080.48 2085.36 2088.05 2092.91 2094.64 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2087.74 2088.2 2087.74 2088.2 Hmm ? No . 2087.98 2088.2 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2093.42 2094.5 2093.42 2094.5 Yep , yep . 2094.25 2094.5 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2095.52 2096.2 2095.52 2096.2 Yeah , that's true . 2095.7 2096.2 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2095.8 2097.699 2095.8 2097.699 Ah , very bad . But 2096.41 2097.2 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2097.04 2100.187 2097.04 2100.187 Nah , okay , I I it's my opinion that I 2097.34 2097.86 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2098.99 2102.572 2098.99 2102.572 I think this is better than regular flip-overs , but 2102.31 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2102.82 2104.51 2102.82 2104.51 Yeah , it's can be saved easier . 2103.16 2104.51 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2104.74 2104.97 2104.74 2104.97 Yeah . 2104.97 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2105.89 2116.9 2105.89 2116.9 But if you're in normal flip-over you a lot of people write text . There's no text option . And writing text uh , yeah , you've gotta really do your best to write some 2110.22 2111.79 2113.92 2114.18 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2110.24 2110.6 2110.24 2110.6 Yeah . 2110.6 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2116.34 2127.21 2116.34 2127.21 Yeah , and and maybe some uh functions for uh uh uh circle or uh a square . You have to draw it yourself now . 2116.5 2125.42 2127.21 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2125.06 2125.38 2125.06 2125.38 Yeah . 2125.38 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2126.95 2132.24 2126.95 2132.24 Or maybe even insert picture . If you have uh some presentation , and you have some f 2129.3 2131.45 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2127.4 2127.69 2127.4 2127.69 Yeah . 2127.69 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2130.94 2131.3 2130.94 2131.3 Yeah . 2131.3 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 2131.36 2135.868 2131.36 2135.868 Or text function . Just t t type text , and that that would be uh excellent . Mean 2132.43 2134.15 2135.63 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2134.27 2134.56 2134.27 2134.56 Yeah . 2134.56 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2136.11 2136.39 2136.11 2136.39 Yeah . 2136.39 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2136.28 2139.3 2136.28 2139.3 Yeah , but insert image isn't available ? 2136.75 2139.3 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2141.116 2142.291 2141.116 2142.291 'Cause then you could - TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2141.82 2143.79 2141.82 2143.79 Here . Picture from scanner , clip-art . 2142.3 2143.17 2143.79 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2143.58 2151.34 2143.58 2151.34 Yeah , that that can be done already . But not the the the the predefined uh squares I think uh 2144.34 2146.07 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2144.33 2145.04 2144.33 2145.04 Oh , okay . 2144.42 2145.04 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2146.16 2146.696 2146.16 2146.696 So you can - TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2147.42 2148.1 2147.42 2148.1 Hyperlink ? 2148.1 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2151.33 2153.4 2151.33 2153.4 Hey , what if you do like hyperlink ? 2151.84 2153.4 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2154.64 2157.4 2154.64 2157.4 With uh W_W_ dot Google dot com . 2157.4 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2155.16 2155.96 2155.16 2155.96 Type type it ? 2155.96 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2160.87 2161.93 2160.87 2161.93 Oh yeah . Maybe . 2161.22 2161.93 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2160.97 2162.7 2160.97 2162.7 Re Real Reaction dot N_L_ . 2162.7 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2163.63 2163.8 2163.63 2163.8 Hmm ? 2163.8 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2164.7 2166.45 2164.7 2166.45 Yes , is now is okay . Okay ? 2165.01 2166.19 2166.45 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2164.87 2165.14 2164.87 2165.14 Sorry ? 2165.14 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2168.09 2169.676 2168.09 2169.676 You'll just make a link in - TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2170.79 2171.13 2170.79 2171.13 Huh . 2171.13 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2170.8 2171.532 2170.8 2171.532 Yeah . 2171.3 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2172.82 2173.65 2172.82 2173.65 Well , that's nice . 2173.04 2173.65 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2173.74 2175.26 2173.74 2175.26 There's one way to uh - TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2175.49 2175.788 2175.49 2175.788 Is it - TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2176.26 2177.07 2176.26 2177.07 'Kay , double-click it . 2176.4 2177.07 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2178.48 2181.231 2178.48 2181.231 Maybe if if you're not using the eraser - TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2180.51 2181.16 2180.51 2181.16 Here . oh . 2180.9 2181.16 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2182.26 2183.15 2182.26 2183.15 You're erasing . 2183.15 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2182.65 2185.61 2182.65 2185.61 Oh , sorry . Select . 2183.09 2185.17 2185.61 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2184.02 2185.79 2184.02 2185.79 Something else th Yeah , arrow . 2185.39 2185.79 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2187.04 2187.62 2187.04 2187.62 Double-click it . 2187.62 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2187.39 2189.06 2187.39 2189.06 Yeah . Here , that . 2188.56 2188.88 2189.06 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2189.19 2191.131 2189.19 2191.131 Okay . Well , it's 2190.4 2190.66 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2190.46 2194.146 2190.46 2194.146 So you have as you saw , you have a little uh 2193.01 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2195.69 2196.3 2195.69 2196.3 Oh , you can 2195.83 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2197.36 2197.99 2197.36 2197.99 Yeah , thank you . 2197.65 2197.99 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2199.22 2200.25 2199.22 2200.25 You can go uh - TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2200.29 2201.2 2200.29 2201.2 Yeah , okay . 2200.63 2201.2 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2201.97 2202.22 2201.97 2202.22 there . 2202.22 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2204.05 2211.45 2204.05 2211.45 So there the the the functionality is there , but it's not it's not ideal , and it's it's very it costs a lot of time to uh 2206.24 2208.18 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2206.87 2207.036 2206.87 2207.036 But - TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2208.428 2208.716 2208.428 2208.716 . 2208.716 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2211.81 2212.76 2211.81 2212.76 To use , yeah . 2212.42 2212.76 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2212.57 2225.952 2212.57 2225.952 to use . And that's a pity , if you uh if you have uh thirty , forty minutes uh for this kind of things , and we are now with four people , but it well , imagine you are here you're with the ten people and everyone uh 2213.66 2214.39 2216.52 2219.35 2220.83 2222.29 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2213.47 2213.65 2213.47 2213.65 Yeah . 2213.65 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2218.18 2220.31 2218.18 2220.31 Yeah . And that's m 2219.26 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2224.86 2231.793 2224.86 2231.793 That's mostly the case , from the over here with the managements you get two minutes to make your case , and if you have to do all this kind 2225.9 2229.55 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2229.81 2232.28 2229.81 2232.28 Yeah . Two minutes of drawing , yeah . 2230.93 2231.94 2232.28 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2232.5 2232.71 2232.5 2232.71 Yep . 2232.71 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2232.86 2240.31 2232.86 2240.31 You'll rather use PowerPoint and work it out in advance . And th the one or two things you have to draw when you're there , just use a flip-board . 2236.53 2239.27 2240.31 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2235.86 2236.22 2235.86 2236.22 Yeah . 2236.22 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2238.89 2239.26 2238.89 2239.26 Yeah . 2239.26 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2241.47 2243.98 2241.47 2243.98 What I really miss also is uh - TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2245.116 2252.244 2245.116 2252.244 is a d is a turtle is a decision uh decision system like um - TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2254.22 2257.31 2254.22 2257.31 With the evaluation , you have to 2256.85 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2258.76 2272.51 2258.76 2272.51 Polls like , what do you want , a one , a two , maybe a a l a little application like uh uh give your own number and click one two three four five six seven . 2259.88 2260.57 2261.06 2262.47 2272.51 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2261.73 2262.42 2261.73 2262.42 Yeah yeah . 2262.42 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2262.82 2263.1 2262.82 2263.1 Yeah . 2263.1 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2272.7 2279.32 2272.7 2279.32 Yeah , just like he said with the with the a screen which you can write , also uh a kind of voting uh mechanism . 2272.96 2276.58 2279.32 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2277.5 2283.48 2277.5 2283.48 Yeah , j ju ju yeah , v voting application . Just a little group group decision application . 2277.85 2279.2 2280.46 2283.48 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 2279.55 2279.92 2279.55 2279.92 Oh . 2279.92 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2280.73 2281.01 2280.73 2281.01 Yeah . 2281.01 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2283.26 2283.48 2283.26 2283.48 Yeah . 2283.48 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 2283.76 2310.92 2283.76 2310.92 But uh , problem is , well you can't discuss anything well you you ca uh you can , but you will discuss a lot less than l like we did now . We I mean uh w w w one one person s maybe said three . But , well uh I we said uh , no I w th think two , because this and this , and then you can react uh on it . But if you you put a three on it , uh just figure well , everybody knows what I'm knowing , so they'll all just put a two on . 2284.83 2285.44 2288.55 2293.12 2297.26 2297.82 2299.12 2300.56 2301.57 2303.62 2305.6 2307.93 2309.17 2310.92 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2292.66 2292.95 2292.66 2292.95 Yeah . 2292.95 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2303.62 2304.15 2303.62 2304.15 Yeah , okay . 2303.87 2304.15 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2311.32 2321.45 2311.32 2321.45 Yeah , of course . But , uh you can still discuss about it , but but click it in an application , that's a lot easier to process . 2311.49 2311.95 2313.05 2316.33 2318.79 2321.45 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 2316.13 2317.08 2316.13 2317.08 Yeah , but it would yeah . 2316.28 2317.08 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 2321.68 2336.88 2321.68 2336.88 Yeah okay , the for processing part . But then uh , I think the idea of one person entering it and the rest uh discussing it , that uh isn't that bad idea , actually . Not that your opinion isn't valued , but but still . 2322.3 2324.37 2324.93 2329.73 2331.49 2333.88 2335.62 2336.88 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2322.159 2323.85 2322.159 2323.85 The digit . Yeah . 2323.55 2323.85 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2332.11 2332.39 2332.11 2332.39 Yeah . 2332.39 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2337.38 2337.65 2337.38 2337.65 Yeah . 2337.65 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2339.22 2341.405 2339.22 2341.405 Yeah . Okay , so 2340.3 2341.01 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2339.94 2342.41 2339.94 2342.41 Okay . That's it ? 2341.96 2342.41 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2340.16 2343.33 2340.16 2343.33 Okay . Yo , manager . When are w 2341.12 2341.38 2342.84 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2342.67 2345.07 2342.67 2345.07 Uh well , just about , because uh 2343.46 2344.22 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2344.93 2346.32 2344.93 2346.32 When are we going to produce it ? 2346.32 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2346.754 2367.432 2346.754 2367.432 Yeah , tomorrow ? Uh , the costs are within the budget . Uh , the project is evaluated . But , before we going to celebrate , uh I have uh a little question which you can't answer , because uh there must be some kind of end report . I am busy with the end report right now . You might thinking what the hell was he doing uh 2348.03 2348.94 2349.9 2351.52 2351.73 2353.53 2354.13 2356.03 2359.3 2362.95 2365.16 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2348.48 2349.14 2348.48 2349.14 Celebration . 2349.14 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2351.56 2351.85 2351.56 2351.85 Yeah . 2351.85 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2353.46 2353.78 2353.46 2353.78 Yeah . 2353.78 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2367.01 2368.19 2367.01 2368.19 What is an end report ? 2368.19 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2368.72 2380.489 2368.72 2380.489 Uh about all the meetings , what we have decided , a r r a report of this day . Uh , that must be made , but I don't know , here is uh standing uh whoa , we can celebrate now , but the end report is 2370.18 2371.69 2373.53 2373.89 2374.71 2376.27 2378.21 2379.16 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2371.53 2371.74 2371.53 2371.74 Yeah . 2371.74 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2372.85 2373.34 2372.85 2373.34 Yeah , yeah . 2373.14 2373.34 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2379.51 2382.16 2379.51 2382.16 Oh , you ha you have ten minutes left , I uh read . 2379.8 2381.43 2382.16 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2382.95 2383.43 2382.95 2383.43 Oh . 2383.43 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2383.39 2386.28 2383.39 2386.28 You have now ten minutes left to finish up the end report . 2386.28 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2385.86 2394.73 2385.86 2394.73 Okay well , that uh that can be done . Maybe we can do it uh together . You can see what I've uh yeah ? So I I s I will uh put it on a story-board . 2386.54 2387.77 2389.29 2391.31 2394.73 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2390.75 2391.0 2390.75 2391.0 Yeah . 2391.0 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 2391.53 2392.03 2391.53 2392.03 Yeah , sure . 2391.7 2392.03 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2396.37 2396.94 2396.37 2396.94 You can see it . 2396.94 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2399.58 2400.237 2399.58 2400.237 Um - TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2399.79 2402.332 2399.79 2402.332 Because I think it will uh it must be uh - TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2402.54 2405.555 2402.54 2405.555 You you already made a beta version , or 2405.19 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2405.4 2409.356 2405.4 2409.356 Yeah , it's a three uh with seventy five uh 2405.79 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2409.46 2413.446 2409.46 2413.446 Pages . 2412.87 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2410.476 2416.83 2410.476 2416.83 Yeah , just about . Well , just a moment . End report . 2413.58 2414.92 2415.26 2416.2 2416.83 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 2410.822 2413.98 2410.822 2413.98 Y yikes . Seventy five pages . 2412.83 2413.98 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2417.89 2418.64 2417.89 2418.64 Okay , Daniel . 2418.19 2418.64 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2423.78 2425.9 2423.78 2425.9 Do you want a chair maybe ? 2425.9 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2426.14 2427.61 2426.14 2427.61 A chairman . 2427.38 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2427.28 2427.46 2427.28 2427.46 Hey ? 2427.46 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2427.55 2433.38 2427.55 2433.38 No no no , I'm just uh you can s you can read it and uh here here it is . End report . 2428.23 2432.85 2433.38 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2429.19 2429.72 2429.19 2429.72 Oh , okay . 2429.27 2429.72 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 2432.86 2437.02 2432.86 2437.02 So you you finished it actually , and so we just have to read it and say yes or no ? 2434.2 2437.02 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2437.52 2438.207 2437.52 2438.207 Yes . 2438.06 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2437.68 2442.38 2437.68 2442.38 Well , this not nit it read-only . But it's not uh fully finished yet . 2437.97 2440.4 2442.38 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2441.54 2443.42 2441.54 2443.42 Five minutes for finishing . 2443.42 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2444.47 2454.65 2444.47 2454.65 Um , this is about the functional design , the things yeah yeah . Oh yeah . I'm uh when I said it , I remember I had it here . 2445.89 2447.58 2450.14 2450.87 2452.82 2454.65 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2447.91 2449.81 2447.91 2449.81 Management Expert , you have to change that . 2448.93 2449.81 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2451.9 2452.42 2451.9 2452.42 Marketing . 2452.42 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2453.8 2455.25 2453.8 2455.25 It's a read-only version . 2455.25 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2455.9 2458.09 2455.9 2458.09 Yeah , but you can save it u the under another name . 2456.19 2458.09 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2458.15 2458.63 2458.15 2458.63 Oh , okay . 2458.3 2458.63 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2459.22 2461.77 2459.22 2461.77 Marketing Expert , okay . Um 2460.02 2461.03 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2463.99 2483.09 2463.99 2483.09 about the three functions where uh which are most used and uh which must uh immediately be visible on our uh remote control . Um , it must be uh simple to use , very clear what to do , and at the younger people . So , this is really about wh uh what kind things uh must be in it and uh yeah . 2472.12 2472.95 2475.27 2476.85 2478.03 2478.23 2483.09 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2483.26 2485.628 2483.26 2485.628 Maybe um the - TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2490.97 2491.164 2490.97 2491.164 Uh - TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2491.31 2491.844 2491.31 2491.844 The - TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2491.48 2496.008 2491.48 2496.008 Yeah , I understand you , I can talk a little bit Dutch . 2492.06 2492.77 2494.81 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2492.78 2492.95 2492.78 2492.95 Yeah . 2492.95 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2494.06 2502.812 2494.06 2502.812 You Yeah . No , you have to put uh , switch channels uh at the top , because that's the most used function and teletext at the second 2494.91 2495.24 2496.38 2498.62 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2499.82 2501.741 2499.82 2501.741 Oka okay , okay , I 2500.83 2501.23 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2503.84 2505.99 2503.84 2505.99 I really didn't knew that . 2505.99 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2505.4 2507.25 2505.4 2507.25 Oh nay , a volume changing , second . 2505.6 2506.85 2507.25 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2507.7 2509.01 2507.7 2509.01 So , this one's first . 2508.12 2509.01 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2508.44 2509.83 2508.44 2509.83 S switch , yes . 2509.31 2509.83 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2511.49 2520.18 2511.49 2520.18 You go there and you go there . So , okay . Well , maybe I can then do it one two three . 2514.88 2515.18 2516.04 2516.36 2520.18 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2514.5 2515.92 2514.5 2515.92 Yeah . Okay , go on . 2515.24 2515.68 2515.92 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2520.86 2522.13 2520.86 2522.13 Yes , very good . 2521.69 2522.13 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2521.63 2522.58 2521.63 2522.58 One two three . 2522.58 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2522.91 2529.5 2522.91 2529.5 If the order is in uh is is uh important , that's the word for . Uh , 2526.29 2528.43 2529.5 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2524.5 2525.93 2524.5 2525.93 Yeah . Yeah . 2525.69 2525.93 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2526.96 2527.48 2526.96 2527.48 The order . 2527.48 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2530.732 2541.597 2530.732 2541.597 then the conceptual design . Uh , well all the things we have uh discussed , uh the energy , which uh turn out to be uh batteries , so that's 2533.4 2534.35 2536.43 2538.3 2540.94 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2541.28 2546.39 2541.28 2546.39 Yeah . Well , okay , maybe you can add it later that we decided in the end because of the cost . 2541.79 2541.99 2542.16 2546.39 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2543.52 2554.55 2543.52 2554.55 Yeah , because yeah . Uh , he here it is still double-curve , the rubber , the flashy , the fruity , the removable . Uh , the buttons Hmm ? 2544.83 2546.54 2547.07 2549.19 2549.74 2550.45 2551.04 2552.89 2553.47 2554.55 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2548.81 2549.59 2548.81 2549.59 Single-curves . 2549.59 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 2553.29 2555.55 2553.29 2555.55 It's not double . Uh , it's not double anymore , eh ? 2554.39 2554.48 2555.5 2555.55 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2554.58 2555.51 2554.58 2555.51 A single-curved . 2555.51 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2555.94 2558.988 2555.94 2558.988 Not double anymore . Nay but that this is what um 2556.9 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2555.95 2556.44 2555.95 2556.44 No , okay . 2556.07 2556.44 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 2558.98 2559.71 2558.98 2559.71 Yeah , okay . 2559.35 2559.71 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2559.21 2561.83 2559.21 2561.83 Was initial , the plan . The initial plan . 2559.95 2561.1 2561.83 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2560.05 2560.34 2560.05 2560.34 Yeah . 2560.34 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 2560.86 2561.08 2560.86 2561.08 Yeah . 2561.08 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2561.59 2570.343 2561.59 2570.343 And the the added functions like Tetris snake , it's under the parental control , the touch-screen . So , it's uh just a summary of what uh we had discussed uh 2563.93 2565.42 2567.05 2567.25 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 2566.94 2567.599 2566.94 2567.599 On thing uh - TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 2570.03 2575.44 2570.03 2575.44 One small thing uh , the added functions . Uh , was it included in the cost ? I don't think so , eh ? 2570.98 2572.06 2572.33 2574.63 2575.34 2575.44 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2575.51 2576.42 2575.51 2576.42 Ah , it's very cheap . 2575.7 2576.42 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 2576.82 2578.109 2576.82 2578.109 It's very cheap . 2578.0 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2576.92 2581.237 2576.92 2581.237 Uh , it's very cheap , you you maybe you you you you come at uh 2577.25 2578.05 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2581.12 2599.781 2581.12 2599.781 No , it's it's not very cheap , but that no , but it's a development inside corporation . Like , uh w we don't have to buy parental control . Our own people can make that , I think . Yeah , it it has some cost , but 2581.42 2582.58 2584.72 2590.16 2591.12 2594.45 2596.76 2597.89 2598.16 2599.45 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2583.42 2584.53 2583.42 2584.53 It's very necessary . 2584.53 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2596.11 2601.87 2596.11 2601.87 Yeah , but it still has some yeah . Okay , but so we can discuss that uh 2596.4 2599.65 2600.01 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2597.49 2597.8 2597.49 2597.8 Yeah . 2597.8 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2599.96 2601.98 2599.96 2601.98 He'll do it in his free time . So uh 2601.42 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2602.61 2602.9 2602.61 2602.9 Yeah . 2602.9 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2602.72 2605.27 2602.72 2605.27 we can discuss that kind of things I think with the - TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2606.74 2608.188 2606.74 2608.188 with the the board of uh - TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2608.24 2609.75 2608.24 2609.75 Of directur or directors . 2609.75 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2609.39 2612.52 2609.39 2612.52 What's it what's the company called ? I just keep forgetting it . 2611.25 2612.52 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2613.24 2614.45 2613.24 2614.45 Real Reaction . 2614.45 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2613.84 2615.83 2613.84 2615.83 Real Real Reaction . 2615.83 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2617.04 2617.45 2617.04 2617.45 Yeah . 2617.45 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2617.692 2625.095 2617.692 2625.095 Real Reaction , yeah . Okay , so uh anybody uh misses something here about uh 2620.03 2620.83 2621.4 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2620.3 2622.335 2620.3 2622.335 You can ask your personal - TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2624.58 2626.904 2624.58 2626.904 Yeah , the end conclusion . But uh 2624.81 2625.82 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2626.11 2632.639 2626.11 2632.639 Yeah , okay , that's that's what I'm gonna write b between now . But , i in here nothing uh 2626.44 2626.78 2629.56 2630.53 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2627.52 2630.54 2627.52 2630.54 Okay . Still the end conclusion . That's all , I think . 2628.18 2629.38 2630.07 2630.54 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2632.16 2637.15 2632.16 2637.15 Um , the decision to make um the buttons on the top , and the menu on the 2632.56 2635.47 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2637.84 2640.08 2637.84 2640.08 Mm-hmm . Yes . 2639.51 2640.08 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2638.27 2641.95 2638.27 2641.95 on the bottom . And clearly Yeah , touch-screen you've mentioned . 2638.95 2640.79 2641.95 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2643.06 2644.33 2643.06 2644.33 Yeah , touch-screen I've mentioned . 2643.29 2644.33 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2643.82 2653.04 2643.82 2653.04 Yeah , but but the the decisions are put in the uh conclusion , I think . Why we decided to use a flat uh L_C_D_ . 2644.02 2648.48 2649.47 2653.04 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2649.04 2649.56 2649.04 2649.56 Okay . 2649.56 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2650.9 2652.65 2650.9 2652.65 Okay , this n yeah . 2651.23 2652.65 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2653.36 2658.85 2653.36 2658.85 Yeah , okay , well I gonna redesign uh something now . No . 2653.59 2653.8 2658.55 2658.85 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2658.54 2659.468 2658.54 2659.468 Yeah . Um 2659.17 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2661.28 2662.19 2661.28 2662.19 Party party . 2662.19 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2662.04 2665.13 2662.04 2665.13 Because I think it will Oh , five minutes from to finish meeting . 2663.19 2665.13 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2664.23 2667.64 2664.23 2667.64 Oh , before you change anything maybe you um save it first . 2664.94 2667.64 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2667.13 2667.69 2667.13 2667.69 Save it . 2667.69 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2678.45 2678.66 2678.45 2678.66 Hmm . 2678.66 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2678.72 2682.75 2678.72 2682.75 You can't you can select file and export and then those J_ PEG files . 2682.75 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2683.41 2685.03 2683.41 2685.03 Yeah , but then you had the same thing . 2683.63 2685.03 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2685.62 2688.53 2685.62 2688.53 Well , eight . And we have uh , another blank one . 2686.03 2686.42 2687.7 2688.53 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2689.12 2692.51 2689.12 2692.51 Example of children remote . Oh wait . Wait . 2691.3 2692.32 2692.51 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2689.69 2691.695 2689.69 2691.695 Did we change anything ? 2691.3 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2705.57 2706.08 2705.57 2706.08 Wow . 2706.08 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2708.99 2709.884 2708.99 2709.884 Yeah . 2709.48 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2710.88 2713.4 2710.88 2713.4 It's a new uh commercial logo . 2713.4 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2718.7 2718.92 2718.7 2718.92 Hmm . 2718.92 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2721.48 2722.31 2721.48 2722.31 That's a pity . 2722.31 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2722.91 2724.07 2722.91 2724.07 Don't save it , aye ? 2724.04 2724.07 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2725.88 2726.82 2725.88 2726.82 Oh , that's cool , Tim . 2726.02 2726.53 2726.82 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2740.94 2741.38 2740.94 2741.38 Uh , 2741.38 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2741.06 2743.27 2741.06 2743.27 Finish meeting now . Well , I'm I'm 2742.23 2742.64 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2742.33 2744.84 2742.33 2744.84 why are only the first five SMARTboard files - TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2744.53 2746.28 2744.53 2746.28 I'm going to finish my end report . 2746.28 TS3007d B MTD027ID 1 2745.53 2746.23 2745.53 2746.23 saved ? 2746.23 TS3007d C MTD026UID 2 2747.63 2752.637 2747.63 2752.637 Okay , um hereby is the meeting is finished . 2748.34 2752.55 TS3007d D MTD028ME 3 2751.492 2755.188 2751.492 2755.188 You declare . 2754.74 TS3007d A MTD025PM 0 2753.82 2758.55 2753.82 2758.55 I am the one who can say that . Yeah ? Hereby the meeting is finished . Yeah . 2755.68 2756.71 2758.36 2758.55 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 23.504 24.464 23.53 24.32 Hello . 24.32 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 67.469 68.941 67.469 68.73 Dang it . 68.73 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 72.238 76.464 72.33 76.43 And then you have to place your laptop exactly on the marked spot . 76.43 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 76.4 77.241 76.42 76.92 Alright . 76.92 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 83.6 87.456 83.69 87.42 It's important to place your laptop exactly on the marked spot over here . 87.42 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 87.504 88.16 87.55 88.01 Okay . 88.01 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 94.887 96.784 95.14 96.73 No , that's okay . 95.37 96.73 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 103.84 104.738 103.9 104.69 Joost , your mouse . 104.21 104.69 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 105.677 106.167 105.86 106.02 What ? 106.02 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 106.992 107.824 107.01 107.73 No mouse needed ? 107.73 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 108.007 113.056 108.24 112.9 I've got a touch-pad . Do you know how how I can wake it up ? 110.64 112.9 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 110.675 111.449 110.97 111.34 Mm . 111.34 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 114.528 115.2 114.57 115.09 A touch-pad ? 115.09 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 115.651 117.322 115.76 117.23 No , my laptop . 116.56 117.23 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 118.832 119.53 118.86 119.31 Slap it . 119.31 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 119.983 125.894 119.983 125.81 You with your brilliant ideas . I don't know if I can touch the power button . 123.48 125.81 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 128.08 129.92 128.22 129.87 Do you know how how I can wake it up ? 129.87 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 129.202 129.835 129.35 129.835 Is - TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 129.84 132.656 129.97 132.59 No . Yeah . Try the power button . 130.98 131.64 132.59 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 132.88 133.42 132.94 133.23 Oh . 133.23 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 138.406 139.437 138.53 139.35 Come on , move it . 138.88 139.35 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 143.568 144.368 143.95 144.368 Um - TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 150.99 152.42 151.1 152.27 Now , wake up , bitch . 151.39 151.91 152.27 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 155.002 155.301 155.08 155.23 Huh . 155.23 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 158.304 158.944 158.44 158.89 F_ five . 158.89 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 161.456 163.766 161.48 163.71 F_ five . 163.71 TS3008a C MTD030ID 2 163.047 165.267 163.27 165.267 I've lost my screen . Uh 164.56 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 165.5 175.536 165.58 175.47 Yeah , so did I . I closed it . That wasn that wasn't very smart , I guess . Come on . Get back to me . 165.75 167.35 168.44 170.55 171.87 174.73 175.47 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 167.544 168.25 167.74 168.17 I don't . 168.17 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 179.264 180.166 179.4 180.09 Yes . 180.09 TS3008a C MTD030ID 2 179.839 180.229 179.93 180.13 Yes . 180.13 TS3008a C MTD030ID 2 182.765 184.453 182.95 184.453 I closed the - TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 183.739 184.896 183.88 184.55 I closed it . 184.55 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 184.732 187.744 184.82 187.744 You've got your name . 187.53 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 185.456 187.665 185.49 187.59 Yeah , my name is name . 186.48 187.59 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 189.466 192.509 189.68 192.41 No , I didn't restart it , I just closed it . 189.91 191.32 192.41 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 194.264 195.079 194.33 194.73 Yes . 194.73 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 196.825 197.84 196.85 197.78 Hope it working . 197.78 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 198.848 199.52 198.94 199.34 Alright . 199.34 TS3008a C MTD030ID 2 201.399 201.906 201.49 201.81 No . 201.81 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 208.277 209.491 208.31 209.42 Never close your laptop . 209.42 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 211.124 221.196 211.16 221.1 Yeah ? Everybody's ready ? Great . Well , welcome to the kick-off meeting . I uh forgot to put my name over here , it's uh it's Martin . 211.54 213.19 214.9 215.07 217.08 219.17 221.1 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 212.192 213.898 212.32 213.78 Great . Thanks . 213.4 213.78 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 212.569 213.009 212.65 212.93 Yeah . 212.93 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 222.192 223.984 222.21 223.61 Uh , so you all know . 222.39 223.61 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 226.085 236.649 226.11 236.53 Well , this is the agenda for today . Well , the opening is what I'm doing right now . Uh , we gonna do some acquaintance acquaintance things . Uh give some um 226.21 227.93 228.12 231.9 232.2 234.92 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 237.856 242.976 237.88 242.77 examples of the tool training , project plan discussion and the closing . We have twenty five minutes . 239.09 241.16 242.77 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 244.368 253.776 244.42 253.71 Okay , the project aim is to design a new remote control . Uh , some of the oje objectives are that is has to be original , trendy , and user-friendly . 244.61 248.16 248.47 251.66 252.87 253.71 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 247.159 247.616 247.25 247.53 Mm-hmm . 247.53 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 255.216 256.528 255.25 256.42 So now we all know what our - TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 255.152 255.847 255.3 255.81 Okay . 255.81 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 257.712 267.691 257.76 267.62 goal is . Um , I oh forget I forget the whole acquaintance part , but we we all know each other . We all know each other's names . Joost , Guido , Antek . 259.38 260.27 262.61 264.04 265.64 266.36 267.15 267.62 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 265.719 266.128 265.82 266.09 Yes . 266.09 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 266.233 267.008 266.28 266.97 What is your name ? 266.97 TS3008a C MTD030ID 2 266.418 267.792 266.57 267.73 Yes . Antek . 267.28 267.73 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 268.016 270.392 268.06 270.392 Antek Ahmet . And Joost . 269.54 270.34 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 269.04 304.294 269.13 304.13 Okay . I think we uh al already uh been through that part . Okay , it consists of uh three levels of design . Uh we begin with the functional design , then we go to the conceptual design and the detailed design . Every uh level of design consists of some individual work , and we uh close it with a meeting . You all received an email with a example of our explanation of what uh the particular level of design uh means to the different uh functions , and uh you p you probably read that already , so I don't have to tell you about that . 269.55 273.71 274.02 276.92 279.46 282.24 286.35 289.18 299.28 301.73 304.13 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 271.64 272.08 271.71 272.0 Okay . 272.0 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 272.82 273.178 272.88 273.12 Yeah . 273.12 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 301.417 301.941 301.5 301.85 Yes . 301.85 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 301.61 302.244 301.71 302.19 Yes . 302.19 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 305.556 344.106 305.64 344.0 Okay , first we're gonna um uh gonna try some different things with the tools we have over here , so you get acquainted with these uh um uh meeting tools . We have the smart-boards , uh the thes those two boards . This is the presentation boards , wh which one I'm using right now . You can uh um there's a document folder called um the sh shared document folder . You can upload your uh documents to that folder and then you can open them over here , so you can do your PowerPoint presentations on this screen . We also have the white-board . Uh , we're gonna skip through th 305.9 313.42 317.32 319.44 321.78 323.11 324.99 330.8 335.23 339.12 341.25 341.5 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 343.2 351.176 343.22 351.176 Can we see the white-board on our laptops ? No , I saw I saw the file , the smart-board that X_B_K_ but 346.3 346.7 347.74 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 345.663 347.825 345.72 347.66 No , no . Just on the on the screen over there . 346.03 346.26 347.66 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 349.184 358.728 349.2 358.65 Oh , no . Probably is , but I don't know if the software is on the laptop . Is is if it's mainly a thing for in the meeting , so I don't think it's I don't know if it's important . 349.68 349.85 350.4 353.07 355.91 358.65 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 356.0 356.724 356.14 356.68 Okay . 356.68 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 360.266 364.56 360.29 364.34 This an explanation of the smart-boards . There is a tool-bar over here . 362.79 364.34 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 365.632 385.376 365.78 385.2 It's quite simple . You have the the pen function , eraser function . It's like a very simple uh paint application . Uh , we well , we use the same file during uh the whole day , and uh you can make new sheets by uh by pu puttin pressing on the blank button . It works like this . 366.66 368.67 369.62 373.76 374.0 374.51 377.48 384.12 385.2 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 386.4 390.16 386.51 390.1 Oh . If pen is selected , yes . Oh , no no . 387.6 388.52 389.56 389.67 390.1 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 390.524 391.216 390.57 391.18 With that pen ? 391.18 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 391.152 391.536 391.18 391.536 It's not - TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 393.664 394.512 393.68 394.45 But it is pen . 394.45 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 396.176 397.909 396.22 397.83 It's not working like a pen yet . 397.83 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 402.208 403.176 402.24 403.04 Mm . 403.04 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 402.848 403.184 402.87 403.04 Huh . 403.04 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 412.8 413.072 412.83 413.02 Huh . 413.02 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 413.568 413.984 413.61 413.93 Mm . 413.93 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 414.176 418.176 414.2 418.14 It's doing some stuff now . So you can use a pen . You can use an eraser . 415.73 416.85 418.14 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 415.471 416.386 415.49 416.29 Little bit slower . 416.29 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 420.96 434.016 421.03 433.9 And you can make new uh fi uh new blanks , and you can change uh the line width and the colour of the pen by pressing on forward , which y you have to select pen format . 424.2 430.96 433.9 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 435.772 438.16 435.8 438.08 And then select current colour or line width . 438.08 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 439.856 440.976 439.88 440.92 So , it's quite easy . 440.22 440.92 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 442.535 447.807 442.63 447.76 Uh well , now you're all uh acquainted with the different tools . 444.08 447.76 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 449.537 466.473 449.6 466.42 Right , we're gonna try out the electronic white-boards . Uh , every participant should draw his favourite animal and some of its favourite characteristics , on blank sheets with different colours , with different pen widths . Uh , I'll start off then . I'll use this uh same sheet . Alright . 449.78 452.36 452.52 458.03 459.9 461.47 461.89 464.18 465.9 466.42 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 471.888 473.504 472.0 473.36 Oh , let me think . 472.78 473.36 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 475.776 476.8 475.81 476.77 Different colours . 476.77 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 479.104 480.0 479.2 479.9 Oh . 479.9 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 487.856 491.289 487.88 491.19 Well , I'm gonna draw um a p piranha . Uh , a fish . 488.01 490.48 490.69 491.19 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 490.809 493.488 490.809 493.45 piranha . Okay . 492.97 493.45 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 493.904 494.336 493.94 494.27 Uh . 494.27 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 507.376 508.304 507.41 508.25 Mm-hmm . 508.25 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 513.444 513.891 513.53 513.74 Oh . 513.74 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 513.616 518.08 513.67 517.91 I'm gonna use some different colour now . Some a little white . 516.5 517.91 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 521.088 522.144 521.26 522.11 Looks like a fish . 522.11 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 523.824 524.624 523.84 524.37 Think it is . 524.37 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 528.24 529.2 528.41 529.08 Oh . 529.08 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 543.152 545.296 543.25 545.296 Oh . 545.14 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 546.4 548.88 546.42 548.82 Uh , colour . 548.14 548.82 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 551.52 552.4 551.57 552.29 This is black ? 552.29 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 553.44 554.208 553.52 554.15 I think so . 554.15 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 557.466 558.539 557.52 558.539 Yellow - TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 558.336 558.592 558.38 558.54 Oh . 558.54 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 562.384 563.712 562.4 563.59 Oh , this is just uh 562.62 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 566.112 568.688 566.112 568.6 useless uh - TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 569.84 573.088 569.98 572.85 drawings but Oh teeth . I need teeth . 572.43 572.85 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 578.624 582.428 578.64 582.38 Well , they're not supposed to be green , or whatever colour this is . 578.77 580.31 582.38 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 582.304 582.704 582.33 582.57 Hmm . 582.57 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 583.717 584.176 583.79 584.12 Okay . 584.12 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 585.264 603.52 585.29 603.52 What was uh I have su to sum up its favourite characteris Well , I like its uh sharp razor sharp teeth . Plus , uh the the big uh forehead and uh a small uh , well a small actual face . And I like its overall uh aggressive look and 589.31 593.07 593.42 598.04 600.36 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 587.63 588.162 587.78 588.12 Different . 588.12 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 604.528 610.992 604.55 610.89 Well , that's what I like about uh piranha . I think that's kind of what uh the intention should be . 604.65 607.2 610.89 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 606.644 607.201 606.8 607.09 Okay . 607.09 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 612.208 613.568 612.23 613.52 Well , who wants to be next ? 612.69 613.52 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 614.496 620.432 614.56 620.432 Nobody , I guess . 615.01 619.99 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 615.248 621.622 615.248 621.622 I will try . Yeah . I will try . Uh 617.54 618.26 620.81 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 616.562 618.042 616.73 617.91 You go , Guido ? Okay . 617.05 617.61 617.91 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 620.784 624.346 620.9 624.31 Uh , make a new sheet . Uh , it's by pressing on blank . Yep . 621.12 622.11 622.54 624.12 624.31 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 623.326 624.176 623.45 624.05 Blank ? 624.05 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 626.832 629.489 626.86 629.29 Okay . Then pen again ? 627.75 629.29 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 629.152 629.504 629.17 629.47 Yep . 629.47 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 630.768 631.36 630.79 631.31 Okay . 631.31 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 631.28 637.499 631.3 637.46 And uh so in the format menu you can choose the different uh colours and uh pen widths . 637.46 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 635.072 637.952 635.09 637.952 Okay , um 636.91 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 642.522 643.072 642.57 642.98 Format . 642.98 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 643.2 644.256 643.2 644.22 control . 644.22 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 652.64 653.648 652.69 653.648 Uh - TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 654.64 655.408 654.66 655.34 Ah , purple . 654.94 655.34 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 656.624 666.124 656.69 666.124 Um , I don't know what my uh favourite uh animal is , but the easiest animal I can think is is a bird . Uh I will 657.78 660.53 665.51 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 670.448 675.056 670.448 674.96 You know , I thought of that actually . Yeah . 672.59 674.62 674.96 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 670.774 677.76 671.15 677.57 That's my bird . Yeah ? Isn't it quite it's a little bit light . 674.05 675.23 677.57 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 680.729 684.24 680.79 684.08 Uh , another colour maybe . A red one . 682.06 683.44 684.08 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 686.721 689.523 686.8 689.42 A small one . Uh , line width . 688.42 688.94 689.42 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 692.288 694.561 692.31 694.46 Two ? Three . Oh that's okay . 693.18 693.93 694.46 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 700.576 724.621 700.6 724.52 That's another one . Ano Uh uh it's a Yeah , it's uh the most simple uh animal I know , I think . Um , I don't know . Maybe because uh there's there's some s uh free uh maybe in the sky or something like that . Maybe a little bit . Yeah . I don't know . 704.42 710.44 713.64 715.76 716.69 717.08 722.74 723.51 723.87 724.52 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 702.048 707.667 702.048 707.58 Well , tell us something about uh your favourite characteristics of these uh particular birds . 703.77 707.58 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 707.728 710.24 707.75 710.24 Its simplicity . 710.11 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 721.062 723.099 721.21 723.0 Oh , okay . Okay . 721.25 722.6 723.0 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 724.18 724.656 724.2 724.61 Okay . 724.61 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 725.744 726.907 725.78 726.82 No , uh it's clear . 725.9 726.82 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 726.128 733.92 726.15 733.78 So more uh birds ? Okay , okay , okay . 731.92 732.57 733.39 733.78 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 728.064 729.446 728.09 729.3 N no no . 729.3 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 730.736 733.6 730.76 733.57 We get your point . Okay . Who wants to be next ? 731.97 732.76 733.57 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 734.016 741.648 734.04 741.648 Yeah , whatever . I'll go next . Thanks . I haven't got a favourite animal too , so 734.21 735.17 736.29 738.79 740.73 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 738.848 739.332 738.96 739.23 M - TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 741.584 744.325 741.6 744.325 Pictionary . 744.08 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 742.816 745.232 743.5 745.19 Oh . What should I draw ? 744.55 745.19 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 746.032 746.662 746.05 746.52 A cow . 746.52 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 746.082 746.567 746.17 746.49 Oh . 746.49 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 749.408 753.568 750.18 753.568 Thank you , I'll draw a penguin . 750.54 753.48 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 750.235 752.413 750.235 752.35 Okay . 752.35 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 756.192 757.968 756.21 757.968 Yeah . 757.63 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 760.624 762.336 760.88 762.3 I'll draw a penguin . Whatever . 761.87 762.3 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 763.696 765.2 763.72 765.09 I can't draw , so 764.77 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 766.544 768.395 766.56 768.27 you can start to laugh already . 768.27 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 768.12 771.024 768.12 771.024 I'll do so . 770.55 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 770.055 772.144 770.1 771.96 Whatever . Something like that . 770.99 771.96 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 782.368 783.072 782.39 782.85 Come on . 782.85 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 784.272 785.312 784.4 785.27 Yeah , it's little bit hard . 784.6 785.27 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 787.28 789.088 787.32 789.05 Mm hmm hmm , orange . 788.49 789.05 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 789.008 789.984 789.03 789.86 Orange , of course . 789.45 789.86 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 793.104 793.68 793.12 793.58 Whatever . 793.58 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 800.048 803.344 800.048 803.27 Oh , it's better than your bird . 802.21 803.27 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 801.257 807.184 801.257 807.14 Uh yeah . Yeah . True . 805.78 806.75 807.14 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 804.496 806.021 804.52 805.93 Everything's better than your bird . 805.93 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 810.976 825.712 811.05 825.65 Whatever . Hey , it's blue . No . Whatever . Um , I like its ugliness and uh Yeah , whatever . The way it walks or whatever . Your turn . 812.13 812.26 813.47 814.23 815.14 816.62 822.68 823.07 825.22 825.65 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 824.715 825.216 824.77 825.16 Okay . 825.16 TS3008a C MTD030ID 2 826.665 827.862 826.75 827.862 'Kay . 827.74 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 828.608 832.467 828.81 832.467 Drawing . 831.81 TS3008a C MTD030ID 2 830.897 832.512 830.98 832.36 I'm going to draw a cat . 832.36 TS3008a C MTD030ID 2 833.616 838.208 833.64 838.17 I don't know why , but a cat is a very uh smart animal . 834.41 838.17 TS3008a C MTD030ID 2 840.944 843.287 840.98 843.23 And you can have them at home . 843.23 TS3008a C MTD030ID 2 844.912 847.856 844.93 847.856 Which is not as the case with uh with bingwings and - TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 847.952 850.576 847.952 850.54 Well , you can have a piranha at home . 849.21 850.54 TS3008a C MTD030ID 2 850.544 854.087 850.544 854.087 Ye yes , yeah . 852.15 853.92 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 851.752 852.199 851.82 851.98 Huh . 851.98 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 853.116 854.032 853.29 854.0 Or a line . 854.0 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 854.96 857.315 855.05 857.315 A little bit . Yeah . 856.93 857.06 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 855.216 862.016 855.24 862.016 I mean a bird . 856.7 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 858.611 859.933 858.68 859.88 Don't mess with my birds , yeah . 859.64 859.88 TS3008a C MTD030ID 2 862.416 863.776 862.44 863.776 It's not very uh - TS3008a C MTD030ID 2 867.632 873.264 867.68 873.264 very good drawn , but you can see a cat from it . 868.78 873.11 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 869.413 871.742 869.51 871.63 Hmm . It's a handicapped cat . 870.52 871.63 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 873.616 874.848 873.616 874.7 cat . 874.7 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 874.8 881.136 874.82 881.136 I don't think uh I don't think uh Darwin would agree with that . 880.59 TS3008a C MTD030ID 2 880.88 884.176 880.88 884.176 It's - TS3008a C MTD030ID 2 887.178 891.104 887.55 891.104 Ah , it's not scared . He's crying but 888.51 890.01 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 889.672 890.38 889.672 890.38 . 890.38 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 891.488 896.119 891.488 896.01 He's crying because it's ugl because of his ugliness . 896.01 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 891.757 892.432 891.95 892.4 Okay . 892.4 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 894.576 897.92 894.576 897.75 What do you like about it then ? 897.75 TS3008a C MTD030ID 2 897.84 904.119 897.84 904.119 Uh it's i most cats are small . You can handle them . 901.5 904.0 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 901.136 908.88 901.16 908.66 Oh , okay . Okay . Okay . Okay , and then we are uh through the tool training , I guess . 901.21 902.74 903.83 905.14 905.3 908.0 908.66 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 905.183 906.115 905.26 906.05 Okay . 906.05 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 909.296 911.114 909.296 911.114 I wouldn't call it training , but 910.88 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 915.288 941.28 915.33 941.14 Okay , this is uh something about the project finance . The selling price of our remote control is gonna be twenty five Euros . And our profit aim is fifteen million Euros . We're very ambitious on this one . The market range is international , so it's gonna be sold world-wide , and the production cost should be a maximum of twelve Euro fifty per remote control . So that's clear . Yeah ? 915.63 918.25 922.74 925.71 928.66 930.07 931.65 938.75 940.98 941.14 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 941.552 942.0 941.57 941.95 Okay . 941.95 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 941.963 942.57 941.963 942.48 Alright . 942.48 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 943.166 969.92 943.24 969.84 Okay , we're now gonna discuss some stuff when well , we're gonna brainstorm about uh what kind of kemoro romo remote control it's gonna be . Uh , well tell me about your experiences with the remote controls . Do you have uh know what good experiences with remote controls ? Or do they annoy you sometimes ? Are they difficult to understand , or maybe they don't interact with different kind of uh equipment very well ? 943.42 946.98 952.4 953.18 955.64 959.25 961.76 963.5 969.84 TS3008a C MTD030ID 2 959.992 960.85 960.11 960.79 Yes . 960.79 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 968.176 968.528 968.2 968.47 Hmm . 968.47 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 968.59 996.592 968.67 996.13 I don't th I don't think the four of us got problems with remote controls , but if you see elderly people , all these buttons , and then they buy new T_V_ because their previous one was stolen or whatever . And then a totally different remote control with with different functions on different places , and half of the functions a are removed , or whatever . Uh , so I think what we need is is a clear uh remote control with 973.61 976.39 977.25 981.84 986.69 990.62 991.82 992.03 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 973.776 975.039 973.86 974.69 Yeah , okay . 974.44 974.69 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 978.077 979.224 978.3 979.01 Different . 979.01 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 981.103 981.851 981.27 981.72 Okay . 981.72 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 997.664 1003.968 997.68 1003.968 uh grouped buttons , you know . All th all the buttons which apply to the text functions in in one uh 998.75 999.01 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1004.256 1006.223 1004.29 1006.223 Different functions of of uh - TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1005.071 1025.274 1005.14 1025.19 Well , one area or whatever , not like the button to enter text on top of the remote control and the button to um , yeah , to minimise it to this this or whatever o o other functions totally somewhere else . I think we should group them . And same for the for the volume buttons and the the t 1005.43 1006.7 1013.46 1013.98 1020.05 1022.09 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1017.812 1018.369 1017.84 1018.26 Okay . 1018.26 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1020.077 1020.426 1020.15 1020.35 Yeah . 1020.35 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1022.213 1022.803 1022.26 1022.64 Okay . 1022.64 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1024.513 1032.928 1024.58 1032.928 And uh , is it gonna be a remote control that's um what it can be used for different kind of equipment , like your T_V_ and your home stereo ? Uh 1025.06 1029.97 1032.63 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1031.477 1049.305 1031.56 1049.12 Well I was I was thinking uh since a T_V_ is uh mostly used together with a V_C_R_ or D_V_D_ player or recorder , and not with a stereo , I think it should be good to include functions for V_C_R_s and D_V_D_ players , recorders . 1040.96 1043.1 1048.51 1049.12 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 1032.525 1032.998 1032.58 1032.91 Yeah . 1032.91 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1039.434 1040.049 1039.6 1039.96 Mm-hmm . 1039.96 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1042.88 1043.374 1042.91 1043.16 Mm-hmm . 1043.16 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1048.087 1057.574 1048.17 1057.53 But uh , the D_V_D_ players and home cinema sets often double as stereo hi-fi sets probably . It's what , from my experience . 1048.92 1055.81 1056.29 1057.53 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1051.584 1052.122 1051.7 1051.96 Yeah . 1051.96 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 1056.383 1057.564 1056.48 1057.564 But isn't it - TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1056.778 1064.08 1056.9 1063.87 I don't know . Hi-fi set is uh not often used uh as I know of in combination with television . 1057.31 1063.87 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1058.4 1059.211 1058.69 1058.81 Okay . 1058.81 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1064.0 1064.944 1064.04 1064.944 But we gonna - TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 1065.024 1067.82 1065.17 1067.82 It's only for television , I thought . Not 1066.37 1067.41 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1066.768 1067.314 1066.768 1067.2 Yes . 1067.2 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1067.968 1069.552 1067.99 1069.49 Oh , it is only for televis 1068.09 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 1068.659 1078.139 1068.659 1077.76 I thought it was only for television . So so we probably don't have to have to uh have the functions for D_V_D_ player or V_C_R_ . 1070.63 1077.76 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1070.608 1072.941 1070.66 1072.941 Yes , it is only for television , but uh 1070.85 1072.05 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1072.816 1073.616 1072.89 1073.616 So wha what - TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1074.613 1075.056 1074.67 1075.056 Well - TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1075.063 1078.106 1075.13 1078.106 What wha what uh what document - TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1076.498 1080.416 1076.55 1080.38 well we we're gonna brainstorm about that . If we think it's useful , we do it . 1078.36 1079.93 1080.38 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1080.592 1083.392 1080.63 1083.29 But , where where did it uh Where did you find that ? 1080.86 1083.29 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 1084.095 1089.05 1084.14 1088.98 Uh , in the email . I thought it said uh Yeah , television remote control . 1084.34 1085.6 1087.88 1088.98 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1085.312 1086.154 1085.33 1085.81 Oh , okay . 1085.4 1085.81 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1085.568 1091.705 1085.59 1091.705 That's right . It's a television remote control . But I was thinking since it is useful with D_V_D_ 1085.99 1087.52 TS3008a C MTD030ID 2 1087.768 1088.649 1087.83 1088.649 Yes , 1088.51 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1090.186 1106.267 1090.24 1106.267 Yeah , but most television remote controls support other functions as well . So we can No , we have to think about that . Okay , uh but uh we've gonna put some a uh is is it so user-friendliness , is a is a pri priority in this case , or 1090.4 1094.18 1095.02 1097.66 1098.13 1102.43 1105.9 TS3008a C MTD030ID 2 1093.746 1096.282 1093.84 1096.11 Yes , that's uh something extras . 1094.12 1096.11 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 1094.84 1095.705 1094.98 1095.65 True . Yeah . 1095.15 1095.65 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 1097.44 1097.825 1097.46 1097.79 True . 1097.79 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1098.024 1098.556 1098.14 1098.36 Yep . 1098.36 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1105.424 1106.784 1105.44 1106.71 Yeah , also no one's gonna buy it . 1105.62 1106.71 TS3008a C MTD030ID 2 1105.393 1105.983 1105.46 1105.83 Yeah . 1105.83 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 1105.651 1106.641 1105.77 1106.45 Yeah , yeah . 1106.18 1106.45 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1107.424 1107.922 1107.46 1107.87 Okay . 1107.87 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 1107.616 1108.0 1107.64 1107.95 Yeah . 1107.95 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1108.232 1108.814 1108.32 1108.73 I guess . 1108.73 TS3008a C MTD030ID 2 1108.245 1110.192 1108.45 1110.192 Only the experts . 1110.12 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 1108.715 1109.212 1108.8 1109.06 True . 1109.06 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1110.112 1123.984 1110.13 1123.9 Well , this the maybe is uh some aspect of the uh , or or some point at at which we can excel by making it very useful . That w Well , then you're you're the usability uh man , so this uh gonna be a very important task for you then . 1110.33 1113.25 1117.64 1118.4 1120.9 1123.9 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1110.069 1110.666 1110.14 1110.37 Yeah . 1110.37 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 1121.268 1123.114 1121.268 1123.01 Oh my God . 1123.01 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1123.709 1124.283 1123.709 1124.16 Yeah . 1124.16 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 1123.97 1124.528 1124.09 1124.48 Okay . 1124.48 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1125.392 1131.408 1125.51 1131.26 Okay . Well , other ideas ? How can we make it trendy or something ? Do uh by just sh shape and the look of it ? 1126.3 1126.53 1127.07 1128.9 1131.26 TS3008a C MTD030ID 2 1129.488 1132.983 1129.56 1132.983 Uh , to go with to go with fashion and 1130.41 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1132.624 1143.42 1132.65 1143.27 Maybe a can opener underneath it ? I don't know . Or someth something special , like uh M_P_ three player inside of it , or uh Oh , well then the production costs are gonna be too high probably . 1135.39 1136.1 1137.94 1140.36 1140.89 1143.27 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 1134.387 1137.522 1134.387 1137.522 For the bear . Uh 1136.94 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 1139.586 1141.365 1139.63 1141.365 I I uh , no I think it 1140.27 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1143.035 1144.032 1143.09 1143.97 Yeah , way too high . 1143.33 1143.97 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 1143.076 1151.344 1143.33 1151.25 Uh , I th I think yo we have to keep it simple , to get a whole market . It's international , so we have to use a standard . 1143.51 1145.94 1148.02 1148.84 1151.25 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1146.084 1146.417 1146.15 1146.38 Yep . 1146.38 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1148.4 1159.933 1148.42 1159.83 Okay . Maybe with different type of fronts or uh Well , m has to be something spectacular or uh one which makes it We gonna skip back to the goals probably . Uh , 1148.94 1151.97 1159.47 1159.83 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1152.455 1153.92 1152.5 1153.87 Well that's an idea of course , yeah . 1153.7 1153.87 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1159.573 1160.113 1159.68 1159.97 Mm-hmm . 1159.97 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1161.456 1177.248 1161.53 1177.21 original , trendly , and user-friendly Well , we al also already talked about user-friendliness . No , well something trendy and original , well that that goes hand in hand I guess . When something is original , it tends to be trendy , probably , or we should make it combination of that . 1162.04 1162.58 1163.4 1166.56 1166.69 1168.51 1171.09 1172.28 1173.81 1174.18 1177.21 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 1165.297 1165.856 1165.42 1165.68 Hmm . 1165.68 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1170.688 1171.12 1170.688 1171.07 Yeah . 1171.07 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1178.4 1198.704 1178.42 1198.67 'Kay , so you the um technical part of the process is something you're gonna look after for , so you have to think about what kind of uh equipment you want to uh , you know , you want to manage with it . Well , and that's an important part for you then , with gogors regards to the user-friendly part of it . 1178.86 1185.86 1190.87 1191.06 1193.17 1193.27 1195.57 1198.67 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 1195.489 1196.296 1195.54 1196.25 Use friendly . 1196.25 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 1198.122 1198.681 1198.14 1198.42 Yep . 1198.42 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1200.72 1211.448 1200.74 1211.32 Well , and you uh should look out for what makes it trendy . Well , you know , y like some special feature . Or some Does it does it gets some gadgetness or something . 1200.91 1204.89 1205.28 1205.62 1207.35 1211.32 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1209.257 1209.806 1209.47 1209.71 Yeah . 1209.71 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1211.12 1212.768 1211.18 1212.73 Yes , what the market wishes . 1211.62 1212.73 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1212.88 1213.505 1212.9 1213.22 Okay . 1213.22 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1215.332 1225.568 1215.36 1225.568 Well , the closing . Next meeting starts in thirty minutes . Individual , I think so . The the Industrial Designer will w or the working design , of course , we will uh 1215.53 1216.05 1218.83 1219.32 1220.04 1224.19 1224.89 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1226.816 1251.962 1226.84 1251.78 Already s said that . The User Interface Designer is it a User Inter User Interface the technical functions design . And the Management Expert of uh the Marketing Expert . User requirements specifi Well , this one was already clear to us . Specific instructions will be sent to you by your personal coach . I don't know how much time we have left . Oh , not many I guess . We started at twelve . 1228.44 1235.82 1238.84 1240.43 1243.07 1247.45 1249.18 1249.36 1250.81 1251.78 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 1232.751 1234.347 1232.85 1234.23 Yeah . Yeah , yeah . Interface d 1233.21 1233.39 1233.64 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1233.232 1234.337 1233.35 1234.337 Yeah . 1234.22 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1251.519 1252.768 1251.57 1252.73 You just got a message . 1252.73 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1252.77 1254.308 1252.82 1254.16 Oh , and what does it said ? 1253.38 1254.16 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1253.895 1257.528 1253.96 1257.49 And it said uh five minutes , so we got four and a half . 1256.28 1257.49 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 1254.656 1255.392 1254.73 1255.392 Oh , I don't 1255.02 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1256.355 1256.727 1256.47 1256.64 W - TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1258.162 1259.618 1258.25 1259.618 Okay , well um 1258.8 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 1258.8 1260.24 1259.21 1260.2 I didn't get a message . 1260.2 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1260.368 1260.719 1260.39 1260.68 No . 1260.68 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1262.407 1263.936 1262.48 1263.87 He's the whatever . 1263.87 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 1262.814 1265.427 1263.01 1265.26 Oh , the Project Manager . 1263.9 1265.26 TS3008a C MTD030ID 2 1264.72 1267.772 1264.76 1267.772 Team Leader . 1267.65 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1265.359 1268.032 1265.4 1267.96 No , we're uh ahead of schedule then . 1265.62 1267.96 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1265.525 1266.914 1265.61 1266.914 Team Leader . 1266.82 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1268.064 1269.424 1268.08 1269.424 He is the whatever . 1269.17 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1269.137 1269.968 1269.23 1269.89 Yeah , close it . 1269.36 1269.89 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1271.552 1274.544 1271.61 1274.544 I'm gonna make some minutes or take some minutes . 1274.34 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 1271.513 1272.296 1271.64 1272.05 Okay . 1272.05 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1275.757 1277.024 1275.757 1276.7 Yes . 1276.7 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1276.26 1283.244 1276.3 1283.244 And uh it's it's clear you can put the stuff in the project documents presentations . You can all Or we're all uh 1280.56 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 1279.786 1280.569 1279.99 1280.4 Okay . 1280.4 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1281.424 1286.21 1281.88 1286.16 Project joc project documents is for showing uh on the white-board . Yeah . 1285.9 1286.16 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1285.221 1295.264 1285.26 1295.21 Yeah . Yeah , but we're all familiar with uh uh Microsoft PowerPoint , are we ? Yeah , okay . I'm gonna wri uh write some stuff down and then we're ready . 1285.8 1286.02 1290.48 1290.87 1291.3 1291.52 1295.21 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1290.39 1290.912 1290.49 1290.83 Yes . 1290.83 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 1290.59 1291.335 1290.78 1291.23 Yeah . 1291.23 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1292.016 1292.56 1292.09 1292.41 Alright . 1292.41 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1295.968 1296.464 1296.15 1296.43 Okay . 1296.43 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1298.423 1304.992 1298.71 1304.992 Or we can leave already I guess . or uh or sh or should we uh or is important that we leave at exact uh 1301.25 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1300.624 1301.798 1300.624 1301.63 Yeah . 1301.63 TS3008a C MTD030ID 2 1305.52 1305.984 1305.55 1305.95 No . 1305.95 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1305.919 1311.291 1305.99 1311.0 No . I don't think so . Yes ? Great . 1306.91 1309.4 1310.6 1311.0 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1306.432 1306.941 1306.45 1306.84 Okay . 1306.84 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 1308.832 1309.873 1308.88 1309.873 I don't think Oh - TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1309.888 1310.276 1309.91 1310.2 Yes . 1310.2 TS3008a C MTD030ID 2 1310.843 1311.283 1310.92 1311.16 Oh . 1311.16 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1312.304 1315.04 1312.37 1314.93 We'll see each other in uh thirty minutes . 1314.93 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1314.56 1316.976 1314.56 1316.79 Yeah . Good luck . 1316.11 1316.79 TS3008a A MTD029PM 0 1317.229 1318.135 1317.31 1317.99 Yeah , good luck . 1317.57 1317.99 TS3008a B MTD031UID 1 1317.94 1319.312 1317.99 1319.312 I will need it . 1319.26 TS3008a D MTD032ME 3 1320.826 1323.472 1320.826 1323.472 I will need it . 1323.42 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 6.56 8.224 6.87 8.19 Here we go again . 8.19 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 25.696 32.832 25.72 32.58 My mouse is not working anymore . He's uh when I put it in , is is going to beep beep beep . 28.37 30.59 32.58 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 27.616 28.128 27.616 28.01 Oh . 28.01 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 28.116 28.781 28.25 28.57 Oh . 28.57 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 29.824 30.33 29.85 30.27 Okay . 30.27 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 34.4 36.894 34.51 36.82 Oh , I got a nice little screen here over here . 34.98 36.82 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 38.816 45.328 38.816 45.23 I got like this big black border uh on every side . 45.23 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 46.464 47.2 46.48 47.14 Okay . 47.14 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 48.112 48.945 48.15 48.9 Mm , okay . 48.51 48.9 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 48.803 51.707 48.803 51.35 I'll I'll fix it . Yeah , whatever . 50.77 50.92 51.35 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 48.823 49.937 48.91 49.78 Everybody ready ? 49.78 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 50.076 52.163 50.19 52.01 Yeah , it's okay . 51.46 52.01 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 50.82 55.942 50.89 55.78 Welcome at the functional design meeting , again presented by Maarten . 53.97 55.78 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 57.622 72.94 57.65 72.84 Uh this is the agenda , the opening . Uh , we've got three presentations . And I'm gonna show you some of the new projects requirements that were sent to me . And we're gonna make a decision on the remote control functions . We have uh forty minutes . 58.97 59.93 61.29 63.13 68.34 71.52 72.84 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 73.584 74.096 73.6 74.06 Yes . 74.06 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 74.8 80.64 74.82 80.5 Oh , well this is the the closing already . So uh well we start off with the th the first presentation then . 75.2 77.39 80.5 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 81.792 88.176 81.82 88.176 Uh , I think um in uh we have to do it in uh in right order . Maybe the 81.97 87.25 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 82.316 82.987 82.35 82.79 Okay . 82.79 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 88.293 90.289 88.42 90.289 I don't know what the right order is . So 89.84 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 89.867 90.384 89.9 90.384 Well , it 90.13 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 89.844 90.365 89.94 90.25 No . 90.25 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 90.544 90.88 90.57 90.83 Huh . 90.83 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 92.228 95.953 92.27 95.89 Oh that . It won't doesn't Maybe we should start with the the technical functions . 92.65 95.89 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 96.272 99.799 96.29 99.63 Okay , how can I get this on the whiteboard ? 96.71 99.63 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 96.794 97.285 96.87 97.13 Yeah ? 97.13 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 98.592 104.896 98.7 104.82 Well it's you dumped the file in the uh in the sh in the project document folder . You've already done that ? 104.04 104.82 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 100.912 101.881 101.01 101.8 In project . 101.8 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 101.961 103.425 101.99 103.36 Okay , I've done that . 102.75 103.36 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 104.688 105.808 104.77 105.75 No can that open . 105.75 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 104.8 105.136 104.82 105.1 Yes . 105.1 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 108.368 111.088 108.42 111.05 Well let's close this one . We'll just uh open a new one . 109.59 111.05 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 110.51 111.392 110.66 111.3 Open it there . 111.3 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 113.52 115.408 113.6 115.27 Uh , well . Yes . 114.15 115.09 115.27 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 118.192 120.043 118.21 119.79 Uh-oh . New thing . 119.31 119.79 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 122.688 134.64 122.71 134.6 Oh yeah , uh I have to say something . Uh , due to some uh technical problems I haven't uh digitized the last uh the meeting minutes . But I'll uh make sure that uh happens next time . 122.99 124.96 125.29 132.26 134.6 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 132.206 132.871 132.28 132.56 Mm-hmm . 132.56 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 134.624 135.168 134.82 135.13 Okay . 135.13 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 136.192 137.392 136.192 137.392 About the get - TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 137.096 140.432 137.15 140.39 And I'll get this one uh in digital uh form too . 140.39 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 142.64 144.208 142.66 144.17 'Kay , we're going to um 142.95 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 145.344 158.432 145.36 158.37 uh talk about working design . Um , the method of the remote control is uh electrical energy , it activates a chip uh in the remote . It's an electrical circuit 148.14 149.54 153.55 157.05 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 159.632 167.488 159.65 167.44 which compose uh messages in the form of uh uh infrared signals to control the television . 167.44 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 169.024 176.672 169.07 176.64 Mm , it's a nowadays very uh known , a known uh uh technology . 170.35 173.73 176.64 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 178.588 193.968 178.64 193.91 Um , the known technology can make a cost very low . Uh , it's a wild uh a wide sale uh of uh remote controls in the world . And and the components are very uh very cheap . Um , 180.06 182.87 183.33 187.99 193.32 193.91 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 196.336 214.8 196.36 214.76 Uh , diodes , uh bat batteries and uh uh LED lights , they're needed and they're uh everywhere available . Uh , again , it's a fair price . It's a common uh technology uh , like I told um Uh , the circuit board , it's the most um important uh 197.17 197.8 200.54 203.68 203.89 204.08 205.89 209.45 211.23 212.24 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 215.856 225.504 215.93 225.504 um part of the remote control . Uh , we can use for that uh fibreglass with copper wires , it's it is uh 220.22 220.5 223.82 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 227.229 233.6 227.27 233.6 can be made as fast as printing paper . It's uh it's all very uh 229.36 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 231.392 231.888 231.43 231.71 Okay . 231.71 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 235.968 239.088 235.99 239.05 Yeah , they're making it uh all the time . Uh , 236.88 238.8 239.05 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 239.408 239.824 239.44 239.78 Okay . 239.78 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 240.16 244.16 240.18 244.16 and it's not uh very specialised uh technology . 244.11 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 246.592 248.64 246.61 248.6 I haven't come to here , but 248.45 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 250.176 260.72 250.21 260.67 um I've got uh some uh images of uh remote controls . They were not uh very uh trendy or just uh 255.7 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 261.888 266.992 261.91 266.93 just a remote control like everyone knows . So I don't know uh why I should put it here . 264.86 266.93 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 271.984 274.032 272.0 274.032 Uh - TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 272.96 276.416 272.96 276.38 Okay . But it's the technical side of the remote control . 274.16 276.38 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 276.816 282.112 276.84 282.112 Yes , but uh I uh haven't made it because uh of the time . But 277.26 281.38 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 279.36 279.648 279.38 279.6 Oh . 279.6 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 281.056 283.84 281.08 283.77 Okay . Well , we'll we'll have to skip that part then . 282.25 282.46 283.77 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 284.96 285.472 284.96 285.18 What ? 285.18 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 286.416 286.88 286.44 286.84 Okay . 286.84 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 289.024 295.719 289.04 295.65 But you don't think it's a problem um to design uh the technical part of the remote control ? It's gonna be easy ? 294.82 295.65 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 294.464 295.056 294.464 295.02 No . 295.02 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 296.144 296.56 296.17 296.53 Yes . 296.53 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 296.688 297.136 296.72 297.05 Okay . 297.05 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 297.247 300.132 297.34 300.06 But nothing restricted for user interface ? 300.06 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 301.344 301.795 301.36 301.75 Yeah . M 301.71 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 301.388 302.288 301.46 302.288 With technical - TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 301.6 308.256 301.62 308.22 Um , no , it's uh it's just a part of uh a known technology , yeah . 302.97 303.33 307.89 308.22 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 302.995 303.685 303.1 303.58 I don't know . 303.58 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 304.112 304.624 304.13 304.57 Okay . 304.57 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 309.008 309.328 309.03 309.27 'Kay . 309.27 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 309.328 312.208 309.37 312.07 Remote control is nothing special nowadays . 312.07 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 312.336 317.776 312.36 317.73 R regardless of what type of functions we want to implement . Doesn't really matter . 316.79 317.73 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 312.444 313.035 312.5 312.93 Okay . 312.93 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 317.904 318.471 317.92 318.471 Um - TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 319.328 320.319 319.35 320.319 But I kind of uh - TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 319.798 335.04 319.82 334.97 I don't think so , because of the all the televisions uh there are a few maybe a couple of televisions with the new functions , but is it useful to put them on a on a standard uh remote ? 320.68 330.24 334.97 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 320.398 322.208 320.51 322.16 Okay . Yeah , okay . 321.42 321.8 322.16 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 321.155 321.938 321.21 321.38 Yes . 321.38 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 324.528 325.215 324.6 325.215 Uh - TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 330.064 330.528 330.08 330.47 Okay . 330.47 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 335.968 337.632 335.99 337.54 Well , we'll see . We'll see later on . 336.18 336.77 337.54 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 338.353 358.56 338.39 358.52 Well , the technical functions . Um , well I don't know if you got the same uh pictures as I got , but uh I got these two , and I think they're we have to focus uh on uh the uh one hand the expert view or the novice user . 338.53 340.78 342.05 346.33 348.8 358.52 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 345.856 346.4 345.88 346.23 No . 346.23 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 346.272 346.796 346.34 346.68 No . 346.68 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 359.58 366.307 359.58 366.23 th I think it's it's very much uh depending on the user requirements , I don't s uh know who's doing t 363.97 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 365.632 372.926 365.68 372.86 Well , uh will there be some uh user requirements later on ? The ones I I've uh received from the account manager . Yeah . 365.88 369.56 372.66 372.86 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 369.296 377.796 369.32 377.75 Yeah , but it I think that's very important to watch uh what kind of functions there we want to uh put in a remote control . 369.68 377.75 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 377.263 379.966 377.35 379.8 Well , we'll keep this in mind , and then discuss it later on . 377.54 378.45 379.8 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 379.641 389.83 379.68 389.58 Yeah , well y we can put functions in it when uh yeah , when we uh get the user requirements uh and we can update it . 380.25 385.21 389.58 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 386.944 387.28 386.96 387.25 Uh-huh . 387.25 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 388.935 402.419 388.99 402.31 Okay , but this real this uh big d uh distinction between this type of remote . we should we should choose one uh we should not compromise but uh really choose for uh expert viewer or novice v Yeah ? Well , what that's what you want trying to say . 389.23 393.75 400.83 400.96 402.31 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 398.672 400.385 398.73 400.24 Yes , I agree . Yeah . 399.38 400.11 400.24 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 402.32 425.101 402.34 424.91 Well , yeah w if you want try a a a huge market , if you want to reach a huge market , uh like elderly people and we have to choose for novice user . But I don't know . It's it's really um depending on how how how far the the the remote controls are already in n um in use . 402.64 405.97 408.4 414.22 415.34 424.91 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 412.38 413.086 412.44 412.96 Okay . 412.96 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 413.792 414.144 413.81 414.09 Okay . 414.09 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 416.823 419.093 416.87 418.95 Yeah , well some of these Uh , yeah . 417.21 418.61 418.95 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 424.128 430.225 424.15 430.12 Well , some of that will Yeah , but i but it will be more clear when we come to the uh u uh some of the new requirements . 424.31 425.32 430.12 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 430.0 431.536 430.02 431.5 Yeah , probably , yeah . 430.94 431.31 431.5 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 430.336 430.64 430.36 430.61 Yes . 430.61 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 431.23 431.612 431.3 431.612 So - TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 433.559 462.192 433.61 462.16 Uh well , there are l at least uh basic functions , uh like just th the channels uh one till nine , uh on and off switch , which must be clear with a red button or something like that . Um , most standard uh have volume , of course , and a mute function , and , of course , the next and previous channel . I think that's just basic what we need . And from that on we can user requirements what we need more . 434.55 437.15 441.31 442.48 446.38 447.82 449.35 450.26 452.1 452.4 453.06 454.48 458.0 462.16 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 457.12 457.52 457.15 457.47 Mm-hmm . 457.47 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 464.944 466.016 465.06 466.016 Uh - TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 468.864 487.248 468.88 487.08 Yeah , I just um um I thought Joost was looking at the trendy the trends in the markets , and I don't know if there uh are any um uh if you put more functions , more buttons , maybe it's com becoming less trendy or something like that . 469.21 477.21 482.45 483.76 487.08 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 476.832 477.264 476.97 477.23 Yes . 477.23 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 488.331 491.773 488.331 491.56 I haven't really found a conclusion like that . 491.56 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 488.496 504.277 488.58 504.19 M you can just you can k you can keep it in mind that . I don't know . Uh , I th I thought the the with less buttons you can make a more trendier uh yeah , more trendier design , I think . I think . 493.37 494.03 494.09 501.84 502.9 503.71 504.19 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 492.704 493.104 492.72 493.04 Yeah . 493.04 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 500.842 501.376 500.88 501.34 Design . 501.34 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 504.752 505.584 504.77 505.55 Sounds interesting . 505.55 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 506.0 506.384 506.02 506.35 Yeah ? 506.35 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 507.888 509.82 507.96 509.74 Uh , well , that's all I have to say , I think . 508.22 508.41 509.33 509.74 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 509.461 509.92 509.51 509.81 Okay . 509.81 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 510.608 511.456 510.63 511.33 Yeah , that was it . 510.86 511.33 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 510.736 511.292 510.736 511.16 Alright . 511.16 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 512.016 516.368 512.04 516.28 Well , then the Marketing expert can uh tell us something about the current market . 512.14 516.28 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 513.808 514.448 513.808 514.41 Yes . 514.41 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 516.528 517.584 516.528 517.584 . 517.584 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 516.576 519.904 516.76 519.904 Yeah . It's alright . Um 517.59 519.35 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 527.28 533.68 527.3 533.65 Alright , I've done some research for functional requirements . Um yes . 527.58 531.7 533.65 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 534.579 541.84 534.63 541.8 The working method um there were hundred uh uh w h one hundred people , uh 541.22 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 542.848 587.472 542.91 587.44 how do you say uh , f watched using remote controls in the usability lab and they also uh filled out a questionnaire uh with a few questions . Uh , I've lined them up here . Uh , ask whether um common remote control looks good or not , about willingness to spend money on remote control , about zapping behaviour , and uh and stuff like that . I uh have found some interesting things . We do we do got a market . Um , three out of four people claim m uh to find remote controls ugly . So if we make a trendy design , we sure have seventy fi seventy five percent of the market , which you can reach . 544.21 553.33 553.87 555.41 555.79 559.9 563.68 566.07 568.58 570.99 573.28 574.92 580.98 582.56 586.64 587.44 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 588.385 603.776 588.49 603.74 Um , three out of four users uh zaps a lot , as I uh quoted here from the uh results . Zap buttons are used one hundred and sixty eight times per hour . That's quite a lot . Um , 590.11 593.71 598.29 601.6 603.1 603.74 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 604.391 632.032 604.391 632.0 relevant options are , of course , power buttons . Although , only used once per hour . Uh , channel selection , volume and buttons for text , and the more um , yeah , other functions , like audio settings , video settings , sound settings are not said to be very important and uh very much used . Furthermore , fifty percent says 607.39 607.8 608.56 610.01 612.08 612.55 613.51 617.67 620.35 620.53 621.31 622.46 623.16 629.52 630.67 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 633.035 641.184 633.06 641.15 uh they only use ten percent of the buttons on a remote control . That doesn't say we got we can leave ninety percent off . But 637.61 640.87 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 642.192 682.169 642.21 681.89 it sure um says we shouldn't make it too uh complicated . Fifty percent also claims uh to have lost a remote control very often in the room . And um an important thing here , the most important customers uh , which is over seventy percent of our market , is in the age range of thirty six to sixty five years old . And uh elderly people , our market , are less interested in uh nice features , but more willingly to spend more money on remote controls . 649.68 655.85 659.98 663.31 666.02 670.48 673.58 674.29 677.69 681.89 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 682.169 710.672 682.83 710.62 So , what I was thinking oh , wrong side . We shouldn't implement too much features on uh on our remote control , because elderly people will get th lost . Group features for a higher usability , uh what I was claiming in the previous meeting . Um , all the settings , about audio settings , video settings and channel settings , which are not very often used , 684.33 686.63 688.45 692.31 695.7 698.82 702.46 704.5 705.42 706.52 708.94 710.62 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 711.68 714.288 711.7 714.23 we could group them uh on one button - TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 715.664 731.152 715.68 731.1 and make them accessible uh in one menu button or whatever , because they are used very rarely and well , it uh there are a lot of options there , so we can really make uh yeah , how do you say , 720.13 724.9 726.73 730.5 731.1 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 732.624 742.64 732.64 742.64 we can spare at buttons over there . And um , if you want to implement V_C_R_ and D_V_D_ options , group them in the button , not too uh 735.71 736.68 740.3 741.36 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 734.712 735.152 734.78 735.09 Okay . 735.09 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 744.215 744.944 744.215 744.91 Yeah . 744.91 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 746.0 750.368 746.02 750.368 Small buttons , so they won't be very um , how do you say 746.72 749.61 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 750.992 752.064 751.02 752.03 Visually presents . 752.03 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 752.256 769.728 752.28 769.68 Yes , won't be very present , thank you . And a trendy look , well uh , although seventy percent of the market is uh consists of elderly people uh who don't really care for trendy looks or whatever , I guess it can do no harm to make it trendy for the other thirty percent . 752.95 754.08 755.23 756.37 757.01 765.6 769.68 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 771.68 773.248 771.7 773.14 That was kind of what I found . 773.14 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 773.904 792.736 773.93 792.7 Okay . Well , then we I'm gonna show you some of the new project requirements and then we gonna discuss on uh what features we find important . Uh , well some of the uh new requirements make some of your findings quite uh irrelevant , I think . 775.56 775.68 784.12 786.0 792.2 792.7 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 774.288 774.72 774.32 774.69 Okay . 774.69 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 774.448 774.864 774.448 774.83 Okay . 774.83 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 780.352 781.328 780.352 781.29 Yes . 781.29 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 796.336 798.304 796.36 798.03 Because um - TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 800.096 804.047 800.12 804.0 uh s decided to put They have decide to put two additional requirements forward . 804.0 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 805.004 807.457 805.07 807.42 Well , now I see four . That's kinda strange . 805.17 806.34 807.42 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 805.456 807.664 805.48 807.664 Two ? 807.29 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 809.028 857.796 809.08 857.72 Well , they say tele teletext becomes outdated since the popularity of the internet . Well , I think that may be so , but well , we can't just leave the teletext button off . It's impossible , I think . So the compromise we could make is just to make one teletext button , you know , like on and off , and don't make a lot of special put a lot of special features on it to make it transparent or You know , it's just you want you want to be able to make use of teletext , but not to play with it that much . So we have to think of that . The remote control should only be used for television . Otherwise , the project becomes more complex , which endangers the time t t ma uh the time to market . So maybe we should leave all D_V_D_ and V_C_R_ related features off completely . 809.24 814.16 814.56 815.69 816.44 819.76 820.49 821.77 826.66 826.91 828.04 835.03 838.26 842.28 843.28 845.6 845.95 847.43 851.97 857.72 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 814.638 815.237 814.76 815.237 Well - TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 819.6 821.712 819.6 821.68 No uh , I agree , I agree . 820.51 821.27 821.68 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 819.843 820.55 820.0 820.4 No way . 820.4 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 832.285 833.541 832.36 833.47 Not too much , no . 833.18 833.47 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 841.648 841.84 841.67 841.8 Yeah . 841.8 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 856.463 856.864 856.5 856.82 Yeah . 856.82 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 858.144 858.72 858.144 858.68 Okay . 858.68 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 859.318 860.608 859.36 860.54 I don't know . I think that uh 859.72 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 861.993 881.536 862.03 881.536 that's what they're trying to say . Uh , our current customers are within the age group of forty plus . New products should reach a new market with customers that are younger than forty . So you uh talked about the elderly who were willing to spend more on a remote control and who were interested . But , well , they're not relevant because we are aiming at a younger 864.49 864.67 867.64 871.35 877.18 877.68 878.42 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 873.615 874.249 873.78 874.08 Mm-hmm . 874.08 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 881.92 896.534 881.99 896.19 I don't really agree actually , to be honest . It's a very small market which we will approach then if we uh want to reach customers younger than forty . It's only like thirty percent of the total market . Mayb yeah ? 883.44 884.08 891.61 895.41 896.19 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 894.944 911.697 894.96 911.66 Yeah , but it is it's is a dif it's a fact that the th th that bigger market you're talking about , we already cover that . Our company already sells remote control to the older people , but we we also want , you know , a new customer group . That's the one we haven't covered yet . So I think that's 895.13 900.08 901.49 904.88 907.13 907.5 909.02 910.86 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 912.629 916.762 912.69 916.72 what the problem is . We haven't got remote controls for uh Well I think , yeah . 913.47 916.48 916.72 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 913.388 914.4 913.388 914.37 Okay . 914.37 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 915.696 921.239 916.07 921.06 Maybe maybe we can compromise a little bit . Not too much then , bu alright . 919.2 920.07 921.06 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 917.872 925.104 917.89 925.07 Yeah , I think so . Maybe if it's no no , but I think we have to just keep in mind what the older age group wants . So maybe we can 918.26 918.83 920.79 924.37 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 926.144 943.958 926.31 943.91 make a remote control that's primarily interesting for the younger group , but isn't that bad for an older person either . Uh , our corporate image sh should stay recognisable in our products . Our product's corporate colour and slogan must be implemented in the new design . Okay , something else nice to know . 929.4 933.58 933.79 937.01 941.33 941.98 943.91 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 932.48 932.88 932.5 932.85 Yes . 932.85 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 943.393 944.592 943.53 944.56 But what's our slogan ? 944.56 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 945.44 948.971 945.5 948.971 Sorry ? Yeah , you will have to look that up . 945.86 946.89 948.86 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 945.977 947.224 946.26 947.224 The slogan uh - TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 948.751 951.68 948.751 951.24 Yeah , I'll have a look . 949.95 951.24 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 953.344 955.886 953.36 955.85 We put the fashion in electronics . 955.85 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 953.377 960.303 953.44 960.303 I think it's something about the Oh , okay . I thought it w might be , let's make things better or something , but 955.8 957.22 958.47 959.94 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 953.602 956.33 953.78 956.33 Puts fashion in electronics . 956.19 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 959.888 962.765 959.888 962.765 Sense simplicity . 962.59 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 959.927 964.205 959.927 964.205 Sense and simplicity . 963.62 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 963.586 965.808 963.71 965.76 Okay well , let's go back to the 964.78 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 968.768 969.536 968.88 969.48 the agenda . 969.48 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 971.042 974.96 971.11 974.93 So we've now had to the three presentations . We know about the new project requirements . 972.92 974.93 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 975.917 1002.194 975.95 1002.194 That means we can uh well d yeah , discuss on the remote control functions . Well , if I can uh make a start , I think it's becoming more clear what kind of remote control it's gonna be , and I already talked about the maybe you have a f familiar with the rem remote control that has the the can opener underneath it . I think we're we're looking for some Yeah , we we're looking for a really simple remote control with only basic T_V_ functions . Y well , that 978.57 980.45 981.65 983.36 986.68 993.49 995.97 1000.91 1001.84 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1000.992 1001.248 1001.01 1001.21 Yeah . 1001.21 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1001.168 1028.72 1001.31 1028.72 Well , to be honest , if um our uh aim group is uh till forty , not older than forty , maybe that's not very uh yeah , we don't really need to have a simple remote control . I think we can implement more functions then , because um basically uh the younger people are more able to adapt to new technology and therefore will be a more 1001.82 1002.51 1008.47 1009.99 1012.66 1015.88 1019.09 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1008.482 1009.022 1008.55 1008.9 Yeah . 1008.9 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1013.662 1014.128 1013.73 1014.04 Yeah . 1014.04 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1021.261 1022.155 1021.38 1021.83 Yeah , but wha 1021.52 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1026.822 1044.82 1026.95 1044.73 Yeah , yeah . M yeah , that's why um well a lot of um the use the requirements the the account manager sent me , I think they are are c are contradicting each other , because they want a simpler design , and no uh other uh s functions than just T_V_ , but they s do aim at a younger Well , ma 1027.21 1027.41 1028.53 1034.76 1037.42 1039.85 1042.21 1044.49 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1028.565 1029.198 1028.74 1029.198 But - TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1039.616 1041.595 1039.68 1041.595 Yes . 1041.53 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1043.972 1058.967 1044.02 1058.93 Yeah , but you sai you said that that a lot of functions aren't used . So why should j we put this function in ? I think more I think uh people younger people are more looking for just a trendy look than uh more functions . 1044.2 1048.21 1051.26 1058.93 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1044.281 1044.763 1044.38 1044.57 Yeah . 1044.57 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1050.608 1052.173 1050.608 1052.173 Well , I think 1051.42 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1058.191 1064.096 1058.34 1064.096 But I think uh you we can make some discuss uh distinctions in uh what kin in the , know , th th in functions you have 1062.13 1062.3 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1064.298 1064.554 1064.38 1064.46 Y - TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1065.168 1094.0 1065.21 1093.95 Well you have different kind of uh equipment in your room , like a t T_V_ and a D_V_D_ player . You can uh , know , you you can make very d you can put very detailed functions regarding the T_V_ set on your remote control uh with the with uh the , you know , audio settings and uh v uh screen settings . We don't want that . I think that was that became clear . We don't want . But w maybe we should put some func uh , I know that the younger people will most likely have a D_V_D_ player they want to , 1068.04 1069.8 1070.79 1070.97 1079.5 1079.8 1083.28 1084.03 1086.45 1087.34 1089.82 1093.95 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1068.478 1068.852 1068.51 1068.78 Yes . 1068.78 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1095.088 1096.256 1095.12 1096.2 you know , they want to uh 1095.43 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1095.744 1097.056 1095.76 1097.01 Yeah , control . 1096.68 1097.01 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1096.416 1103.472 1096.44 1103.44 Yeah , but uh you said Yeah , d yeah , but th the functions are not in the remote control we're making . 1096.6 1098.37 1099.59 1103.44 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1097.36 1098.928 1097.38 1098.86 control , remotely . 1098.36 1098.86 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1104.016 1113.532 1104.12 1113.532 No , yeah , th th the user requirements of the the The new project requirements told us not to But maybe w Yeah . I think we maybe should 1104.34 1104.49 1111.87 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1104.378 1105.509 1104.5 1105.39 It's n - TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1108.105 1108.496 1108.17 1108.39 Yeah . 1108.39 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1111.199 1111.616 1111.33 1111.58 Yeah . 1111.58 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1114.528 1124.94 1114.56 1124.49 Yeah , well we should uh put some functions for other maybe for other equipment on it . But just the basic functions . Maybe like rewind and wind , or n what d what do you guys think ? 1114.73 1119.49 1121.26 1123.02 1124.49 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 1123.654 1125.696 1123.72 1125.66 But you can put them under the same button . 1125.66 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1123.709 1124.931 1123.81 1124.84 Not much more than that . 1124.84 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1126.512 1126.888 1126.54 1126.8 Yep . 1126.8 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1126.505 1128.128 1126.56 1128.09 Yeah , if as far as possible . 1126.86 1128.09 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1128.144 1132.054 1128.16 1131.96 Or we can u u we could put 'em behind the flip-flap or whatever . 1131.96 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1132.877 1133.733 1133.03 1133.32 So t - TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1132.996 1143.52 1133.06 1143.46 But what do you think ? Do th should we implement features that uh uh or functions that to control other devices ? No , you don't think so ? Yeah , the new requirements say so . 1133.69 1140.31 1140.53 1141.96 1142.24 1143.46 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1139.248 1139.68 1139.28 1139.65 No . 1139.65 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1140.849 1142.479 1140.87 1142.38 No , new requirements say no . 1141.09 1142.38 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1143.488 1143.904 1143.51 1143.904 So - TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 1144.4 1147.852 1144.42 1147.74 But you can put a play and stop and and rewind . 1147.74 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1146.858 1158.625 1146.94 1158.625 Well , maybe it's maybe there there there is something th m most of the time these functions don't support the particular device as well as their their own remote control . You know , a lot of D_V_D_ players have some tricky settings with 1147.16 1155.31 1155.51 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1146.952 1148.066 1146.952 1147.88 Yeah . 1147.88 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1147.95 1148.94 1148.05 1148.94 Yeah , but 1148.34 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 1157.344 1158.275 1157.38 1158.275 Yes , but we 1157.68 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1157.865 1158.938 1157.98 1158.64 Y yes . 1158.64 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1158.251 1165.269 1158.44 1165.16 I i if it's too simple uh th they won't use the remote control , they use their own th th with lot more functions . 1161.83 1165.16 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1161.196 1162.678 1161.196 1162.45 Yep , exactly . 1161.85 1162.45 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1163.952 1164.631 1163.98 1164.58 That's that's wha - TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1164.215 1181.369 1164.34 1181.17 But but for for example , V_C_R_ , that's better example in this case . I think on a remote control for television you don't need to be able to programme uh the V_C_R_ to start recording at three P_M_ or whatever , just play , stop , rewind and uh fast forward . 1166.07 1166.52 1168.5 1178.4 1178.91 1179.29 1181.17 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1175.808 1178.432 1175.83 1178.37 No no , you don't No no , you don't need it . No , no . 1176.28 1177.58 1178.08 1178.19 1178.37 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1175.918 1178.341 1176.28 1178.15 No , no . Exactly . 1176.73 1177.62 1178.15 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 1176.478 1177.074 1176.75 1177.04 Huh . 1177.04 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1180.499 1208.439 1180.54 1208.36 Okay , but we have to think uh w we have to think D_V_D_ I th uh , I guess , so um but uh from my experience it's kinda a lot of D_V_D_ players , you know , like forwarding , goes differently . Uh , you get two speed or eight speed or sixteen speed . It's c sometimes a bit difficult . Maybe if we just leave the D_V_D_ functional m uh Well , I was thinking about putting it in , but concerning the project requirements and what you just said , I think we m should focus on the T_V_ then . 1180.81 1184.84 1185.2 1189.09 1189.5 1190.53 1191.39 1191.61 1194.08 1196.52 1201.01 1202.52 1205.93 1208.36 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1183.963 1185.253 1184.06 1185.253 Yeah , I know , but uh 1184.26 1184.59 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1193.834 1194.282 1193.9 1194.2 Mm , yeah . 1193.98 1194.2 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1205.073 1205.971 1205.073 1205.9 Yes . 1205.9 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1205.909 1207.614 1205.99 1207.614 Yeah , but just 1206.63 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1208.576 1210.83 1208.68 1210.46 keep it simple and look more at th - TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1210.309 1230.273 1210.35 1230.13 And uh and it's just an uh a complimentary remote and not a universal one . If you want to keep it simple , you can make a universal remote . Okay . It's just a s it it should be something that is like a gadget on your coffee table , and it's just for when you you you jump on the couch , you pick up the the the nice remote , the simple one , just to put on the television , nothing more . 1215.16 1216.05 1218.37 1219.22 1223.23 1225.96 1227.67 1228.41 1229.71 1230.13 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1215.369 1215.818 1215.51 1215.74 No . 1215.74 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1217.356 1218.896 1217.4 1218.896 It's only for television . So 1218.65 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 1218.951 1220.373 1219.0 1220.373 Yes , but there are there are 1219.25 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1226.549 1227.173 1226.67 1227.09 Yeah . 1227.09 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1228.525 1228.833 1228.58 1228.78 Yeah . 1228.78 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1229.368 1232.288 1229.54 1232.25 Yeah , nothing more . Exactly . 1230.44 1231.83 1232.25 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1231.114 1231.696 1231.24 1231.61 Okay . 1231.61 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1232.208 1232.672 1232.24 1232.58 Alright . 1232.58 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1233.111 1235.497 1233.21 1235.26 Um , but what televis 1234.16 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 1234.211 1243.712 1234.24 1243.712 But how wi how will you be able to handle a whole market ? There are uh a dozen of uh dozens of of remote controls that have 1238.74 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1242.85 1258.177 1242.87 1258.1 Yeah , we we'll make w this one trendy . And simple . Well , we we will come to that , but ju first on the on the functions . So we should put uh zap buttons on it . Um , also numbers , to uh to go to the specific channels . 1243.09 1245.4 1246.52 1246.78 1247.71 1250.34 1253.08 1254.66 1255.84 1258.1 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1244.8 1248.186 1244.8 1248.08 Yeah . The user interface is easy . 1245.4 1248.08 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1254.713 1258.387 1254.94 1258.32 And the basic yeah , basic functions , yeah . 1256.93 1257.79 1258.32 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1257.361 1258.8 1257.361 1258.76 Yes , definitely , yeah . 1257.81 1258.54 1258.76 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1259.152 1259.616 1259.17 1259.58 Uh , 1259.58 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1259.514 1261.818 1259.56 1261.75 It's too much integrated in the other . 1261.75 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1260.72 1265.344 1260.74 1265.31 Okay , a t a teletext button should be there . But just one big teletext button , on and off . 1261.16 1262.94 1264.68 1265.31 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1263.024 1263.424 1263.04 1263.38 Yeah . 1263.38 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1266.464 1267.178 1266.48 1266.72 Probably . 1266.72 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1266.592 1278.48 1266.61 1278.45 Yeah , and maybe two or three other options , but not nothing more than that . I think stop function is very useful . If you have a uh a page which consists of more pages , and you are not a very quick reader , 1266.86 1268.98 1270.46 1272.88 1276.94 1278.45 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1279.264 1280.205 1279.38 1280.17 Oh , okay . 1279.87 1280.17 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1279.561 1282.995 1279.64 1282.995 then I think it's very irritating if the next page shows up , but 1282.68 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1281.44 1288.127 1281.47 1288.02 Yeah , but uh I think that becomes too difficult , it's not a very common function and people will have to read up on their remote then . 1281.81 1283.52 1288.02 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1285.725 1291.667 1285.725 1291.53 Well , I use it very regularly , the action . I re I use it quite often . 1286.42 1287.63 1288.58 1291.53 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1290.222 1295.296 1290.27 1295.26 Yeah , yeah , but maybe you s yeah yeah , maybe y you do , but I've never heard of it in the first place . And 1290.62 1290.8 1291.83 1292.79 1295.08 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1293.342 1293.916 1293.4 1293.916 Will you look - TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1296.592 1311.696 1296.61 1311.66 we have to well t yeah , and t and teletext is becoming outdated . We just want to see what programmes are on and what time it is probably . Yeah . I don't know . I think that that's kin getting too complex for our remote . I don't know what you th guys think . 1298.48 1300.76 1306.32 1306.61 1307.08 1310.33 1311.66 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1297.231 1298.272 1297.39 1298.24 Look at the market . 1298.24 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1309.657 1310.323 1309.68 1310.323 Well - TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1310.358 1311.663 1310.54 1311.58 Might be . Might be . 1310.95 1311.58 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1311.712 1318.376 1311.74 1318.376 Yeah , I uh , it's Sunday I always use it for the uh yeah , for the soccer uh 1312.05 1312.48 1314.01 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1318.048 1321.648 1318.07 1321.648 Yeah , but do you like to have a such a s stop button ? Or do you think it uh 1318.32 1320.88 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1322.816 1327.238 1322.86 1327.11 I think it's a kind of uh uh very rare and special function . 1327.11 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1324.901 1338.734 1324.92 1338.48 Well , uh when you uh uh when you look uh for example um , a couple of weeks ago I looked at the for the flights , and there are a lot of flights in one page , so if if th 1325.47 1330.16 1334.5 1337.49 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1334.416 1335.057 1334.55 1334.91 Yeah . 1334.91 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1335.792 1342.923 1335.87 1342.88 Okay , it goes Yeah , but that's kind of stuff we should do on the internet right now . That's why it was uh said in the in the use in the r new requirements . 1336.3 1337.35 1339.84 1342.88 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 1339.836 1341.26 1339.89 1341.14 Yes , but you could put 1340.1 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1340.565 1341.663 1340.63 1341.663 Yeah , but 1340.94 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 1342.04 1350.68 1342.08 1350.55 on the z on the zap buttons you can put it to uh to uh access all the same pages . If you have seven pages , you can go up and down . 1347.47 1349.0 1350.55 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1347.831 1360.192 1347.9 1360.14 Well yeah uh , lots of new televisions can store pages , you know , and then you can just skip manually through them using I think we should just put one teletext button on it . Then we meet uh the new requirements . 1348.66 1351.52 1351.83 1357.7 1360.14 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 1351.811 1352.37 1351.91 1352.3 Yes . 1352.3 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1354.928 1355.412 1354.95 1355.11 True . 1355.11 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1361.472 1367.297 1361.64 1367.23 we also meet the other thin y you sh you just re we have to choose for the the simple design , I guess . 1366.77 1367.23 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1366.636 1367.536 1366.77 1367.5 A simple yeah . 1367.5 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1369.184 1375.2 1369.2 1375.12 Okay . Um , well , what functions do we have to decide on ? 1370.29 1372.29 1372.6 1375.12 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1377.44 1383.76 1377.5 1383.73 Or do we uh I dunno if we have t stif specifically name all the functions we n we want . 1383.73 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1385.024 1390.651 1385.04 1390.57 We have the zap and uh the volume . Should we do m make them very big ? The the the zap button . D d 1386.98 1388.96 1390.36 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1390.308 1395.232 1390.37 1395.11 I think the plus and the minus button should be uh quite present , yep . 1394.92 1395.11 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 1390.383 1391.19 1390.53 1390.99 Yes . 1390.99 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1391.726 1394.62 1391.8 1394.53 Th that's that's that's considered to be trendy also . 1394.53 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1393.428 1396.33 1393.58 1396.13 But trendy , yeah . I don't know . 1394.53 1395.56 1396.13 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1395.744 1399.04 1395.76 1399.01 Or maybe you should place them on a uh , in a special way ? 1398.14 1399.01 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 1397.964 1400.56 1398.03 1400.53 Maybe we can make uh a kind of a joystick . 1400.53 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1400.64 1410.337 1400.66 1410.22 Yeah , something or uh somethin special way to to zap through the it has to s it has to be yeah , and quick . You have to use it very quickly . 1400.99 1407.65 1408.07 1410.22 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1407.504 1408.974 1407.52 1408.974 Original . It was uh 1408.38 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1410.035 1410.326 1410.09 1410.29 Yep . 1410.29 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1411.656 1415.98 1411.656 1415.87 If you grab the remote , your hands should be on top of the plus . 1413.89 1415.87 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1411.744 1412.248 1411.76 1411.94 True . 1411.94 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1415.189 1423.76 1415.35 1423.73 Yeah , and it the buttons should make it um possible to to zap through your channels in a rapid at a rapid pace . 1415.66 1423.73 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1424.062 1424.4 1424.1 1424.37 Yes . 1424.37 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1425.68 1429.104 1425.72 1429.06 Oh , what should we decide on then ? 1426.23 1429.06 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1430.251 1438.352 1430.32 1438.3 I think in a in a case of this simple remote control , the technical aspects which uh weren't worked out already , but it w shouldn't be a problem then . 1432.75 1436.69 1438.3 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 1430.25 1430.779 1430.41 1430.779 But - TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1431.136 1431.732 1431.2 1431.61 Yeah . 1431.61 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 1438.512 1443.792 1438.58 1443.73 No , it's o just signals uh and the television d uh does the rest . 1438.95 1443.73 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1441.12 1441.376 1441.14 1441.34 Yep . 1441.34 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1441.6 1442.584 1441.62 1442.584 Maybe uh - TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1444.881 1451.674 1444.91 1451.58 No , okay , but we don't have to uh , when we don't want to uh control other devices , I think it makes it even more simple . 1445.12 1445.35 1447.19 1449.99 1451.58 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 1450.188 1450.686 1450.24 1450.58 No . 1450.58 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1451.351 1456.832 1451.43 1456.73 Uh maybe we uh uh the batteries maybe . If you use large batteries or small batter batteries . 1454.35 1456.73 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 1457.664 1459.616 1457.74 1459.53 The most standard batteries . 1459.53 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1457.995 1458.544 1458.06 1458.51 I think - TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1459.632 1468.061 1459.65 1467.98 I think that we should use uh d yeah , not not uh the b the watch kind th the most uh Well , it has to be simple , and I wi 1462.0 1466.01 1467.0 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1459.849 1460.963 1459.96 1460.84 I think double A_ . 1460.84 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1459.929 1461.85 1460.11 1461.85 Yeah ? 1461.61 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1462.066 1462.441 1462.1 1462.31 Yep . 1462.31 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1467.124 1467.697 1467.28 1467.6 Yeah . 1467.6 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1467.594 1470.23 1467.65 1470.13 The most ordinary uh batteries . 1470.13 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1468.996 1472.946 1469.08 1472.89 Which are most likely to be found somewhere in the house , you know . 1472.55 1472.89 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1471.077 1471.785 1471.22 1471.67 Okay . 1471.67 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1472.656 1472.944 1472.68 1472.91 Yep . 1472.91 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1474.596 1482.369 1474.66 1482.369 Oh . How much time do we ha we have left uh ? M m m more than thirty minutes ? Uh ten twenty minutes . Well , uh these these shouldn't 1475.12 1477.4 1478.81 1480.99 1481.4 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1476.976 1479.262 1476.976 1479.09 I think about twenty minutes . 1479.09 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 1480.848 1484.8 1480.87 1484.76 But i in a way we have to be uh uh special . 1484.76 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1481.247 1481.987 1481.35 1481.93 Early break . 1481.93 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1485.241 1487.296 1485.3 1487.296 Yeah . Yeah , okay . But that's that's 1485.82 1486.15 1486.42 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1488.384 1508.438 1488.42 1508.33 Do you uh have you have you think about tha thought about that ? How we can what the extra touch can be . Do you suggest design or the shape or some gadget f f kind of feature or Well , it was something about how we lose them . Maybe it should be a remote control when you you clap you hands it makes some noise or some gadget kind of thing . 1491.11 1493.75 1499.44 1501.91 1508.33 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 1493.696 1495.61 1493.72 1495.05 Maybe th m - TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1506.834 1515.389 1506.834 1515.389 I think that's n that's more for a for an age range or uh ten to twelve or whatever . 1515.2 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1508.575 1510.672 1508.63 1510.64 To find him . That's maybe yeah . 1509.81 1510.64 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1509.386 1509.827 1509.43 1509.76 Yeah . 1509.76 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1512.32 1547.824 1512.32 1547.69 I don't know . I don't know . Nah , um a lot of people like to have such kind kind of kind of gay kind of things . It w it w should be like a birthday present or something that you give someone , and it is i has something nice . Or maybe it w should have a big uh light that can flash or something on it , or maybe it should or an or the like the the can opener . Maybe it contains some feature that you don't normally link to a remote control . I think it's very impor because we're gonna make such a basic remote control , we have to do something to make it special . It's gonna cost twenty five Euros . 1515.15 1515.57 1515.68 1520.0 1524.17 1526.45 1530.71 1535.65 1540.54 1544.14 1546.07 1547.69 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1523.646 1526.498 1523.69 1526.42 Yeah , yeah , that's good one , yep . 1524.6 1524.97 1526.2 1526.42 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1526.144 1526.578 1526.16 1526.49 Yeah . 1526.49 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1543.28 1543.814 1543.3 1543.7 Yeah . 1543.7 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1548.048 1557.776 1548.048 1557.776 Ye I think the can opener i is a brilliant idea actually , because television and beer is not a rare combination . 1551.74 1556.61 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1551.842 1554.037 1551.94 1553.81 Yeah , but the well , it's already been done . 1552.29 1552.81 1553.81 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1552.342 1554.03 1552.41 1553.97 Yeah , but that's yeah . 1552.59 1553.97 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1555.488 1580.528 1555.57 1580.48 Nah . Yeah , that's true . But and I think it's gonna be uh very uh it has to be sturdy or something , so maybe with with bouncing pads so that you can just throw it on the floor or something . it has to be used something special , and you really it has to , you know y not s people , when they buy it , they have to think , well this one lasts for a long time . We're really gonna use them . Not some thing you you throw away next week , you know . 1556.55 1556.73 1557.96 1561.8 1567.03 1569.51 1571.77 1573.63 1574.16 1574.76 1576.63 1577.64 1580.2 1580.48 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1562.48 1562.88 1562.5 1562.83 Yes . 1562.83 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1566.954 1567.622 1567.09 1567.5 Yeah . 1567.5 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1569.031 1569.702 1569.21 1569.39 Yep . 1569.39 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1580.64 1581.984 1580.66 1581.95 No , that's true . 1581.53 1581.95 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1582.448 1610.16 1582.49 1610.13 So maybe uh that's i I think that's when uh when we decide on these type of functions , know , basic functions , uh it's very important to find something like this . So there's a very important task for you . And maybe we can all think about it . Uh , also for you maybe , when t you it's very nice when you can be entra when you can be trendy , and and uh and al as in a friend use friendly as well , you know . So big buttons , flashy design , and maybe some kind of gadget kind of thing . 1587.37 1587.5 1588.31 1590.46 1593.5 1595.78 1595.93 1596.96 1600.35 1602.85 1603.81 1605.43 1607.49 1610.13 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1594.603 1595.76 1594.69 1595.73 Be original , yeah . 1595.44 1595.73 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1600.636 1602.901 1600.7 1602.84 Mm-hmm . And use friendly , yeah . 1601.58 1602.55 1602.84 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1603.792 1604.208 1603.83 1604.05 Yeah . 1604.05 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1607.2 1607.456 1607.22 1607.42 Yeah . 1607.42 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1611.754 1612.8 1611.82 1612.76 Must brain-storm . 1612.76 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1611.927 1612.459 1611.97 1612.15 Uh-huh . 1612.15 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1611.952 1613.744 1611.97 1613.69 Yeah , a swapable front or whatever . 1612.1 1613.69 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1613.68 1623.31 1613.75 1623.31 Yeah , or just different colours would be uh I don't know if people also wanna spend more money on fronts for their uh remote control . It could be be Yeah , you never know , but 1614.7 1621.66 1622.31 1622.9 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1620.608 1620.88 1620.63 1620.88 Well - TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 1620.984 1623.866 1621.0 1623.866 For the remote control . 1623.48 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1621.951 1623.465 1621.951 1623.37 Why not ? 1623.37 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1623.376 1624.801 1623.46 1624.801 Yeah . 1624.59 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1624.48 1625.413 1624.5 1625.38 More money for us . 1625.38 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1627.309 1629.584 1627.35 1629.49 But it and I think we have to make it quite big . 1629.49 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1627.725 1628.257 1627.75 1628.09 Yeah . 1628.09 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1630.592 1631.899 1630.61 1631.75 Quite big . Yeah , you think ? 1631.08 1631.32 1631.75 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1630.931 1633.251 1631.05 1633.11 Yes , definitely , definitely . 1631.34 1632.57 1633.11 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1631.07 1633.249 1631.21 1633.249 Yeah , people 1632.66 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 1632.55 1636.043 1632.58 1635.96 That's to be uh a formed for your hand . 1635.96 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1634.4 1642.576 1634.42 1642.576 So , and and also because uh it is expensive . If you want it to be something , you know , it's ha doesn't have much functions want to be you don't want to get it l make it 1634.57 1636.62 1637.94 1638.18 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1640.832 1649.335 1640.85 1649.2 Yes , it it it should be f be visible nearly anywhere in the room . As I uh as I said during my presentation , fifty percent uh o 1641.18 1644.57 1647.32 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1646.015 1646.432 1646.09 1646.38 Mm-hmm . 1646.38 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1648.201 1665.469 1648.28 1665.469 And shou and should ni look nice when you put it on a table . I I think you m might wanna put it uh yeah , that it it it it stands up . Yeah , you have to put it on its So it's like a vase or uh something you put on a table . no no , put stuff inside it . But , it's like like a statue or something 1650.88 1654.05 1655.88 1656.0 1660.53 1661.7 1662.63 1663.0 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1653.011 1654.488 1653.03 1654.09 A standard or something . 1654.09 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1655.648 1656.067 1655.67 1655.94 Yeah . 1655.94 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1659.648 1661.327 1659.76 1661.24 A face ? Or uh yeah , yeah . Yeah . 1660.31 1660.7 1661.05 1661.24 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 1661.474 1663.12 1661.55 1663.03 More like a joystick then . 1663.03 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1664.992 1666.78 1665.01 1666.6 Yeah , yeah , I see what you mean , yep . 1665.39 1665.59 1666.41 1666.6 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1666.016 1668.855 1666.04 1668.65 It's like you have uh four phones . Something like that . 1668.0 1668.65 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1667.408 1671.593 1667.49 1671.593 Yeah yeah , but yeah , but you also can put it somewhere near the window in 1667.84 1668.16 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1669.852 1693.488 1669.96 1693.41 If you do that , but I don't know if that's possible within the production cost of twelve and a half Euros . I in in the base we could like make uh a button , and if you push it , the remote control itself s makes noise . That's probably stupid , but uh as I found here uh , fifty percent , was it fifty ? Uh fifty percent 1670.69 1676.45 1680.78 1682.03 1684.95 1686.0 1689.83 1690.6 1692.26 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1672.308 1673.472 1672.41 1673.44 That it's it's fashionable . 1673.44 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1675.718 1676.882 1675.718 1676.882 I I don't - TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1684.896 1685.555 1684.94 1685.26 Oh , yeah . 1685.02 1685.26 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 1691.853 1695.487 1691.91 1695.487 But that's that's fun for the first time , and then the second 1694.2 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1694.364 1697.357 1694.46 1697.25 fifty percent often loses remote control . 1697.25 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1696.88 1701.554 1696.9 1701.554 Yeah , but but when you when it gets lost , how can you press the button to make it 1697.06 1699.35 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1701.131 1705.472 1701.18 1705.41 No uh , of the base the the the the the the the thing you put it in . 1701.72 1705.41 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1703.152 1704.424 1703.17 1704.1 Oh , okay . 1703.3 1704.1 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1703.543 1704.84 1703.7 1704.71 On the television . 1704.71 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1706.064 1707.555 1706.09 1707.4 Oh , like this . 1706.93 1707.4 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1706.113 1708.096 1706.113 1708.06 Uh , that's kind of nice . 1707.15 1708.06 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1707.075 1710.497 1707.18 1710.497 If an a button in in that uh - TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 1709.721 1710.461 1709.79 1710.461 Or you can - TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1709.868 1714.857 1710.0 1714.857 And then also you don't even need batteries , because you can make it uh chargeable . 1711.66 1713.89 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1713.199 1714.803 1713.5 1714.59 A char chargeable . Yeah . 1714.38 1714.59 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1713.544 1717.088 1713.544 1716.95 Yeah , you can ma make rechargeable one , yeah . Why not . 1714.14 1715.79 1716.54 1716.95 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 1713.852 1715.15 1714.16 1715.15 Yeah . 1714.81 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1716.409 1737.698 1716.45 1737.66 Yeah , that w yeah , but yeah , the pro No , well I think that it might be t p Well , nee but we don't Yeah . Maybe you , but we don't know much about production cost , but when you you can imagine that when you spend twenty five Euros on a remote control and it's a basic remote control , then the then the money there must be money to spend on that kind of st you know , rechargeable units . 1716.6 1717.3 1717.92 1718.42 1720.45 1722.64 1723.13 1725.12 1731.14 1735.94 1737.66 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1719.261 1719.876 1719.28 1719.71 Why not . 1719.71 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 1730.097 1731.544 1730.12 1731.47 With recharger . 1731.47 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1736.692 1739.28 1736.76 1739.24 It should only cost twelve and a half Euros , of course . Aye ? 1738.69 1739.16 1739.24 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1739.461 1744.026 1739.52 1743.97 Yeah , but we would d ma we'd do it in Taiwan and So , it's not gonna be that expen 1739.81 1742.84 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1740.351 1741.382 1740.61 1741.28 Production . 1741.28 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1743.74 1746.85 1743.74 1746.85 Yeah , okay . 1745.39 1746.45 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1746.022 1749.04 1746.09 1749.01 It should be possible . I think it's a good idea . 1747.76 1749.01 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1746.301 1748.164 1746.4 1748.03 Uh I I think it's a great idea . 1748.03 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1749.029 1749.386 1749.07 1749.35 Yeah . 1749.35 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1749.552 1756.67 1749.57 1756.6 S some kind of be I've never seen that before , and you make it uh um be uh , you see it with uh the mo the mouses nowadays . 1751.65 1753.04 1756.6 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1750.296 1751.909 1750.35 1751.75 To make a base or something ? 1751.75 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1756.176 1758.313 1756.2 1758.25 Yes . Yes , definitely . Yeah . 1756.89 1757.2 1758.02 1758.25 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 1758.176 1759.584 1758.29 1759.54 Yes , but is that handy ? 1758.52 1759.54 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1760.883 1767.768 1760.94 1767.768 Well , I well it's really ch you can recharge it , so you ha never have the battery problem . That's one . And uh you can always find your remote control up 1761.2 1763.15 1764.71 1765.26 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1764.258 1765.699 1764.28 1765.66 It's it's it's it's - TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 1766.196 1774.16 1766.42 1774.13 But but remote controls remote controls nowadays can can last uh two years , three years , with with t two batteries . 1771.69 1772.53 1774.13 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1766.585 1768.389 1766.66 1768.35 it's not the purpose to be handy , it's 1768.01 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1774.32 1788.581 1774.39 1788.581 Uh , okay . Well , maybe yeah , you could when that's when it's too costly , you could probably skip the recharger , but you will you do need uh also an uh , also you would need a battery in the the base unit as well , you know . Does it makes it kinda 1774.72 1775.56 1775.74 1776.33 1778.3 1780.41 1782.72 1786.19 1787.3 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 1776.643 1777.424 1776.7 1777.424 And then you - TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 1787.395 1788.512 1787.42 1788.512 Yes . Or 1788.1 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1787.743 1792.988 1787.81 1792.66 Well y you you could connect that to two hundred to twenty volts , of course . I don't know . 1790.93 1792.2 1792.66 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1790.992 1795.249 1791.11 1795.01 Mm . Yeah , but that's not it's ugly , I think . 1792.7 1792.89 1794.66 1795.01 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1791.965 1793.171 1792.04 1793.02 Yeah , yeah . Okay . Yeah . 1792.27 1792.46 1792.77 1793.02 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1794.493 1801.92 1794.52 1801.89 Yeah , but then it's very easy to make it also a rechargeab I don't think that is gonna cost much to make it also a recharge function in it . 1794.64 1801.89 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1800.487 1801.002 1800.6 1800.93 No . 1800.93 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1802.16 1814.112 1802.18 1814.112 On the other hand , if you don't do it , we can also make a nice bay . I mean , it looks trendy and still still put a bleep function in it , but um I think the bay is definitely uh 1802.85 1803.6 1805.09 1806.22 1809.76 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1809.76 1810.096 1809.76 1810.06 Yeah . 1810.06 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1814.08 1817.152 1814.1 1817.152 I think it's a good idea . And make it , you know , we we um 1814.97 1815.39 1815.69 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1818.782 1855.713 1818.81 1855.713 Well , we uh it's it isn't a t a most uh costly uh remote control . We can save on the on the functions . We just put some simple button in , make it big and sturdy , nothing more , and just make s sure there's some noise that it can make , or probably some kind of cheap light thing around it or that it uh that it lights up , it's also nice . And if you put it away , I think it's uh w we have to we uh that's uh it's not a easy market . We have to something special . And for twenty five Euros people want something remote c special from your mote control , and we can't deliver that in r with uh regards to the functions , because we aren't gonna put 1819.0 1822.46 1824.19 1826.17 1827.62 1828.81 1831.74 1837.32 1838.86 1839.69 1844.64 1846.04 1850.89 1853.83 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1836.508 1838.063 1836.58 1838.0 Sure , why not . Yep . 1836.91 1837.67 1838.0 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1841.552 1841.817 1841.57 1841.76 Yeah . 1841.76 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1843.597 1844.013 1843.63 1843.89 Yeah . 1843.89 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1845.936 1846.307 1845.99 1846.16 Yeah . 1846.16 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1846.516 1847.106 1846.71 1846.9 True . 1846.9 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1850.349 1850.768 1850.44 1850.73 Yeah . 1850.73 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1850.977 1851.909 1851.07 1851.59 Definitely . 1851.59 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1854.832 1858.736 1854.98 1858.68 With eye candy , ear candy , whatever . Yeah , definitely . 1856.07 1856.67 1857.78 1858.15 1858.68 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1857.472 1863.536 1857.49 1863.5 Yeah . And then uh when make it , you know , nice looking shape and this and then you also you got the stand-up thing . 1858.67 1859.88 1860.42 1863.5 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1864.544 1867.312 1864.79 1867.312 Yeah . I think I think it's a good idea . 1865.33 1866.79 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1865.361 1865.669 1865.44 1865.62 Yeah . 1865.62 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1866.031 1868.593 1866.07 1868.56 Yeah , it must be must be a gadget to have . 1866.23 1868.56 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1868.896 1891.328 1868.92 1891.29 Yeah . Oh , if it let's well , we will see what's possible concerning the the costs , and if it's possible we'll do that . And we even try to save up on other stuff to make sure we can do such a thing . And the first thing we the most likeable thing to to n to skip is then probably the recharge function or something . If that's too expensive , we won't do that . But it would be nice . 1870.1 1870.27 1871.61 1874.65 1876.74 1880.55 1888.32 1889.27 1890.44 1891.29 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1869.392 1870.184 1869.41 1870.08 Definitely , yeah . 1869.9 1870.08 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1876.4 1876.693 1876.42 1876.62 Yeah . 1876.62 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1889.117 1889.882 1889.14 1889.82 Yeah , we c 1889.48 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1891.648 1892.91 1891.648 1892.8 It would be nice , yes . 1892.51 1892.8 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1892.372 1908.146 1892.41 1908.146 It's the idea . I know that batteries last long nowadays . And and what people just think about , well , I'll never have to buy any r batteries again , so y b because it's very annoying when your battery is empty . And you know then when you haven't batteries around , and probably for two weeks , your remo I've experienced that that 1893.09 1895.27 1897.59 1897.85 1900.32 1903.29 1905.15 1906.29 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1906.822 1911.904 1906.89 1911.87 Most televisions break down before the battery pack is empty , so yes . 1909.72 1911.87 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1909.728 1910.528 1909.77 1910.43 Yeah , okay . 1910.14 1910.43 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1912.048 1919.024 1912.07 1918.91 So , easy functions . Well , we will we will I think we'll work that out , zapping , numbers on it , bi 1912.46 1913.39 1913.62 1916.1 1917.14 1918.74 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1918.416 1921.76 1918.44 1921.73 Or just give a beep when the battery's out or uh down . 1921.73 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1922.256 1922.883 1922.28 1922.82 Yeah , why not . 1922.42 1922.82 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1922.329 1976.0 1922.47 1975.94 Yeah . But it's also annoying . 'cause as long as it stays as it ke keeps working , you're not very motivated to do something about it . Then it beeps all the time and . You don't want to have ever have those problems , and you won't have if if you have the rechargeable . And you don't have to use the unit , you can also put it on the side if people don't like it . Uh , i i in the in the ma Yeah , but it w I mean , if if they pay for it because they think , oh , that's a great idea , I'm gonna use it . And when it , you know , when time goes by and they think , well , I'll never put him in the recharger , I think last long enough , then they put it on side and they can use it now and then . Then when they look get m I I I know for sure that everybody who buys this remote control , within a couple of months of they will be in the situation that they they're seeking for the remote control , they wanna see something quick and uh just push the button and th uh , I think it's brilliant . Yeah , I've never it's so simple , but I've never seen it . 1923.55 1926.76 1929.17 1932.18 1933.74 1936.65 1939.39 1940.66 1944.23 1944.29 1946.64 1947.65 1949.46 1949.63 1950.37 1951.03 1951.89 1952.17 1953.65 1953.88 1955.86 1957.08 1960.13 1964.18 1968.54 1971.12 1973.22 1973.62 1975.14 1975.94 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1927.092 1927.64 1927.18 1927.55 Hmm . 1927.55 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1929.32 1929.952 1929.42 1929.88 Yeah . 1929.88 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1931.366 1932.208 1931.366 1932.15 true . 1932.15 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1932.214 1933.145 1932.36 1932.99 No , that's true . 1932.51 1932.99 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1944.239 1944.846 1944.27 1944.62 Why not . 1944.62 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 1944.912 1946.384 1944.912 1946.23 But you pay for it . 1946.23 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1968.9 1969.533 1969.06 1969.47 Yeah . 1969.47 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1971.628 1974.264 1971.72 1974.2 Bleep bleep bleep , oh there it is , yeah . Yeah . 1972.5 1973.2 1973.84 1974.2 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1973.398 1973.905 1973.49 1973.82 Yeah . 1973.82 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1976.464 1977.795 1976.5 1977.69 No . Nearly . 1977.27 1977.69 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1976.784 1978.096 1976.88 1978.05 And you can leave it just there . 1978.05 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1977.306 1993.242 1977.33 1993.12 M maybe we should really do this . Okay now , well , how much time have we got left ? These clocks aren't uh synched . Oh , now I've put uh well , it is twenty p Okay , so we have ten minutes or something ? 1982.95 1983.56 1984.67 1986.14 1988.24 1988.39 1989.55 1991.5 1993.12 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1979.614 1983.024 1979.614 1983.024 Yeah . 1982.64 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1979.908 1981.347 1979.908 1980.63 Yeah . 1980.63 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1987.164 1988.694 1987.164 1988.694 Yes . 1988.23 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1990.128 1990.848 1990.16 1990.848 Yeah , I'll 1990.57 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 1992.955 1994.161 1992.98 1994.09 Something like that , yeah . 1993.88 1994.09 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1994.848 1997.523 1994.87 1997.42 Yeah , but we're uh we're done . I think . 1995.03 1996.97 1997.42 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 1996.496 1998.016 1996.52 1997.96 Uh fifteen minutes . 1997.96 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 1999.472 2003.088 1999.65 2002.83 We've decided on the functions . Well , there is some oh . 2001.91 2002.19 2002.83 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2005.264 2006.784 2005.29 2006.74 There is a closing sheet . 2006.74 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2008.016 2011.184 2008.04 2011.09 We have lunch break , and then we have thirty minutes of individual work . 2008.86 2011.09 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 2011.6 2011.904 2011.66 2011.81 Oh . 2011.81 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2013.123 2029.072 2013.2 2029.072 Oh okay , I'll make sure I'll I had some problems with uh the digitising the the first minutes , the the s the next minutes won't be a problem , but I'll try to make sure the first one will be in the folder too , but maybe it won't work , but you'll see . I think these are more important than the first ones , so 2013.86 2019.16 2021.89 2024.65 2025.8 2026.74 2028.79 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 2026.726 2027.898 2026.726 2027.81 We'll see . 2027.81 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 2029.392 2031.776 2029.41 2031.72 Can you make an uh uh - TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 2032.928 2039.698 2032.95 2039.52 a part of f folder for the minutes maybe ? That not not everything in one one uh folder . 2036.16 2039.52 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2035.472 2036.651 2035.472 2036.651 . 2036.651 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 2036.619 2037.968 2036.68 2037.93 Maarten , five minutes . 2037.29 2037.93 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2038.166 2067.232 2038.21 2067.17 Oh , five minutes . Yeah , because uh I I d I did uh the first minutes I did were were were a bit scratchy , you know . Then I did a s second one with a nicer layout , which I could uh , know , use for the other ones well , but uh I d think uh I forgot to do put done under the first one , and when you go write a second uh it's get it's not working when you try to write second uh paper or something . And then you you had to overwrite it or someth I don't know . Becau I d uh , it was not my uh pen . 2038.39 2039.48 2039.59 2044.37 2045.08 2047.96 2049.53 2049.89 2051.39 2054.74 2061.98 2065.47 2065.96 2067.17 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 2055.463 2056.137 2055.68 2056.03 Yeah . 2056.03 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 2059.28 2059.862 2059.38 2059.77 Maybe . 2059.77 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 2060.448 2061.552 2060.47 2061.52 No , that's true uh , yeah . 2060.65 2061.28 2061.52 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 2067.488 2069.792 2067.64 2069.74 Should we by the way draw um - TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2070.752 2071.994 2070.752 2071.9 this kind of looks you like . 2071.9 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 2071.018 2076.647 2071.18 2076.58 on our nice whiteboard , um a little uh idea of yeah . 2072.33 2076.58 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2075.584 2076.256 2075.6 2076.17 Of the shape . 2076.17 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 2077.176 2077.684 2077.24 2077.62 Or the sh - TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2077.357 2078.787 2077.43 2078.71 Yeah , probably , it would be nice . 2077.53 2077.96 2078.71 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 2077.816 2085.948 2077.87 2085.85 I dunno . Has anyone got um a little bit detailed ideas about the shape ? I don't , for one . 2078.41 2084.47 2085.47 2085.85 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 2081.744 2083.467 2081.78 2083.33 Do you get an idea of the shape ? 2083.33 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 2085.104 2086.428 2085.13 2086.31 Maybe like this pen . 2086.31 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 2087.872 2089.568 2087.91 2089.568 A bit bigger I guess , but 2088.81 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2088.519 2089.766 2088.63 2089.58 No , bigger . 2089.13 2089.58 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 2090.304 2091.52 2090.32 2091.52 A little bit bigger , yeah but 2091.05 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 2092.048 2093.952 2092.19 2093.92 The shape is nice , it's um 2093.09 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 2094.969 2098.777 2095.11 2098.68 something different , and we want we want that . Yeah . 2096.26 2098.48 2098.68 TS3008b C MTD030ID 2 2096.31 2098.256 2096.33 2098.13 It has to feel nice in your hand . 2098.13 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2097.022 2115.632 2097.21 2115.52 Well , I I I have to say , I have this uh can opening remote control in my head most of all , or I think some maybe we should no , that will be too costly . We shou we could also , that was a would also be an idea , but I don't think it I don't know if it exists already , you should like make Alessi or something design it . 2097.51 2099.36 2103.21 2105.28 2106.76 2107.88 2109.73 2112.09 2115.52 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 2106.192 2108.037 2106.21 2107.91 Oh , uh look uh look at the pictures . 2106.29 2107.91 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 2115.959 2117.04 2115.959 2116.98 Okay , yeah . 2116.66 2116.98 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2117.12 2118.202 2117.14 2118.15 That would also be nice . 2118.15 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2119.152 2120.912 2119.17 2120.81 But that's gonna then you c then you don't - TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 2119.211 2122.77 2119.27 2122.77 Yeah , but twelve and a half Euros ? Uh 2119.52 2121.74 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2121.904 2142.128 2121.92 2142.09 Yeah , but then you don't have t yeah it that's not something i that's in the production cost a one it's a one time , you know s was it's a single cost . Yeah , m but but then you can nah , I don't thin I think that it would be more expensive , because I've bought the Alessi stuff more often and even small pencil holders or something are more expensive . 2122.08 2127.72 2130.87 2131.07 2132.32 2134.4 2142.09 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 2129.413 2131.183 2129.413 2130.96 Yeah . 2130.96 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 2142.144 2143.488 2142.16 2143.45 Yeah , that's true . 2143.01 2143.45 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2144.736 2146.128 2144.76 2146.08 Would be a nice idea though . 2146.08 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2147.136 2151.088 2147.16 2151.05 I don't know . I think it uh has to be a r it has to have round forms or something . 2147.67 2151.05 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2153.6 2155.963 2153.64 2155.81 Like something like that or so or so - TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 2155.666 2157.888 2155.69 2157.8 Something like that is very ergonomic . 2157.8 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2157.856 2162.704 2157.88 2162.58 And on th and then uh s a base unit underneath it . It's also round . 2161.76 2162.58 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 2159.36 2159.728 2159.38 2159.728 So - TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2164.368 2166.448 2164.44 2166.35 Put it in there uh wire on it . 2166.35 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 2167.23 2168.527 2167.23 2168.42 Yeah . 2168.42 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2167.728 2171.936 2167.8 2171.79 Maybe uh , I don't know , some some lights , a big but well . 2168.53 2169.1 2170.7 2171.79 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 2173.92 2178.234 2173.94 2178.07 Yeah , flash lights at the side . At the side , or something like that . 2174.08 2176.64 2177.26 2178.07 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2175.551 2177.089 2175.59 2176.99 Volume and programme , yeah . 2176.75 2176.99 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 2176.893 2182.832 2176.96 2182.77 Yes , volume and programme should be there I guess , because you hands wi uh y your hands will be in the smaller part . 2177.38 2179.17 2182.77 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2180.152 2181.632 2180.24 2181.58 And some of the extra funct - TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2182.72 2185.827 2182.78 2185.63 Some of the extra functions over here . Numbers . 2185.33 2185.63 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 2183.104 2183.495 2183.13 2183.46 Yeah . 2183.46 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 2184.64 2187.056 2184.66 2186.95 Yeah , and the numbers on top , I guess . 2185.22 2186.52 2186.95 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 2186.208 2186.74 2186.27 2186.64 Yeah . 2186.64 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2186.778 2193.523 2186.83 2193.36 And and lights ? How we're g well , maybe uh s a ring of no , no , you have to Maybe on the side of it . 2187.61 2188.03 2189.88 2190.07 2193.36 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 2192.958 2195.621 2193.02 2195.4 Maybe ro roun rounds uh uh l sorry . 2195.4 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 2194.386 2197.937 2194.48 2197.75 Yeah , side of it . Just two LEDs or something on the side . Yeah . 2194.72 2195.31 2197.52 2197.75 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2195.181 2197.284 2195.26 2197.19 Along the side uh strip of yeah . 2197.19 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 2197.168 2202.048 2197.2 2202.048 Maybe lights also around the volume and the p the plus minus programme buttons . 2201.86 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2203.856 2210.871 2203.88 2210.82 Yeah , but I also meant the the blinking li w you know , the ones that also blink when you try to uh uh locate your remote . 2204.1 2206.11 2210.82 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 2204.703 2205.188 2204.87 2205.05 Oh . 2205.05 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 2211.6 2212.016 2211.64 2211.92 Okay . 2211.92 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 2212.793 2213.233 2212.83 2213.14 Yeah . 2213.14 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 2213.216 2213.488 2213.24 2213.45 Yeah . 2213.45 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2214.901 2216.273 2214.96 2216.273 Well , theys have to be 2215.46 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 2214.96 2217.024 2214.98 2216.94 Well , uh probably at the side . 2215.34 2216.94 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 2218.016 2220.176 2218.04 2220.176 You know look at the front , but 2219.61 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2218.434 2224.192 2218.81 2224.16 Yeah . Yeah , yeah . Exactly . When you you see it from the side , then it would look just like that . 2219.43 2219.67 2220.11 2220.57 2222.13 2224.16 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 2225.056 2227.703 2225.08 2227.63 Yeah , exactly , and then there is yeah . 2225.53 2225.99 2227.63 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2225.36 2226.001 2225.43 2225.97 And then you have - TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2227.404 2229.459 2227.49 2229.32 a strip of uh lights or something . 2229.32 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 2228.759 2230.592 2228.78 2230.56 Yeah , something like that , yeah . 2229.6 2230.32 2230.56 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 2228.845 2229.751 2228.95 2229.62 Okay , yeah . 2229.32 2229.62 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2232.173 2239.6 2232.21 2239.56 Well , uh I think it's nice , for one thing . maybe put something on top of it or , you know , like that's looks funny . I don't know . 2232.43 2233.32 2234.16 2236.31 2236.7 2238.95 2239.56 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 2237.168 2240.48 2237.168 2240.45 No . No . 2239.83 2240.45 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2241.008 2244.142 2241.03 2243.94 Or some bump . Maybe some Yeah ? 2242.39 2243.94 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 2241.542 2244.48 2241.61 2244.45 I think I think that'll be too big tha too big then . 2244.45 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 2245.312 2246.336 2245.33 2246.26 Bumper or something . 2246.26 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2246.72 2248.89 2246.75 2248.81 We'll have to think about it . I think we're we're done . 2247.69 2248.81 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 2248.048 2248.373 2248.11 2248.24 Yeah . 2248.24 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 2248.864 2249.264 2248.88 2249.23 Yeah . 2249.23 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 2249.28 2250.32 2249.28 2250.26 Yes , we are . 2249.88 2250.26 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2251.085 2252.384 2251.22 2252.33 We can save this one . 2252.33 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 2251.321 2254.023 2251.321 2253.97 Alright . Yes , I guess it's lunch time . 2252.6 2252.88 2253.97 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 2251.344 2252.069 2251.45 2251.94 Lunch break . 2251.94 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 2253.92 2254.624 2253.95 2254.58 Okay then . 2254.58 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2257.728 2260.736 2258.01 2260.736 Mm mm . 2260.7 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 2261.184 2262.032 2261.184 2261.98 I don't know . 2261.98 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 2263.938 2268.753 2264.08 2268.63 Half and hour ? I thought our next uh next individual round was half an hour . 2265.3 2268.63 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 2265.349 2267.12 2265.45 2267.12 Okay , five uh 2265.89 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2268.816 2270.556 2268.84 2270.556 Yeah , that was what uh 2269.14 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 2269.663 2271.244 2269.73 2271.12 I don't know about the lunch break . 2271.12 TS3008b A MTD029PM 0 2271.523 2272.795 2271.64 2272.58 Mm , we'll hear about it . 2271.9 2272.58 TS3008b D MTD032ME 3 2274.912 2275.216 2274.93 2275.216 Well - TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 2281.968 2282.768 2282.01 2282.58 Oh . 2282.58 TS3008b B MTD031UID 1 2285.776 2286.96 2285.776 2286.96 . 2286.96 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 94.662 98.662 94.69 98.63 Okay , all set ? Welcome to the conceptual design meeting . 94.96 96.17 98.63 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 95.945 97.001 96.26 96.8 Uh , okay . 96.37 96.8 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 96.171 96.711 96.31 96.68 Yes . 96.68 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 100.454 118.55 100.47 118.51 The agenda . The opening . I'll again be the secretary and make minutes , take minutes , uh and it will be three presentations , just like the last meeting . So um , who wants to start off ? Technical uh designer again ? Okay . 102.17 103.72 106.63 108.14 110.48 113.13 114.59 116.09 118.25 118.51 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 117.463 118.038 117.463 117.99 Again . 117.99 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 141.526 141.798 141.55 141.75 Hmm . 141.75 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 142.038 171.537 142.06 171.48 Uh , yeah . Uh , before we begin it , I want to say I've I've put the minutes of the uh second meeting in the shared folder , but they're still not uh quite okay . It uh it uh still some technical difficulties so the the first part of the minutes are very hard to read , because there are two documents that uh were layered over each other . So But uh , from now on I won't use my pen anymore , so will be p just ordinary keyboard . 142.14 142.8 142.97 143.87 149.94 152.57 159.21 164.23 165.36 168.14 171.48 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 155.66 156.219 155.72 156.01 Mm-hmm . 156.01 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 163.99 164.742 164.03 164.38 Okay . 164.38 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 170.726 172.267 170.81 172.17 Uh , may be better , yeah . 171.02 171.88 172.17 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 171.967 173.09 172.03 172.98 Keyboard work . Yeah . 172.77 172.98 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 172.678 173.686 172.75 173.64 I think it will - TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 174.694 177.334 174.72 177.3 will be more uh easy for you to read the minutes . 177.3 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 176.106 176.513 176.15 176.45 Yeah . 176.45 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 177.574 178.438 177.77 178.24 Alright . 178.24 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 179.215 191.862 179.25 191.38 Okay , when we talk about uh components design , um it's really about the material and the and uh uh really the stuff we build uh the remote controls of . 179.78 182.7 191.38 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 192.895 212.772 192.95 212.68 Um , a remote control consist of uh components and the components of a remote control consist of uh properties and material . We have to choose th uh these uh wisely and it could affect uh uh a kind of grow of in uh in buying uh the remote controls . 193.64 201.28 212.68 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 214.841 236.486 214.95 236.43 Um , the components of a remote control are of course uh the case . Uh the properties of the case , um it has to be solid uh in hard material like uh hard plastic uh with soft rubber for uh falling and and uh uh yeah , it feels uh good in your hand . 215.56 220.27 223.3 234.24 236.43 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 237.495 249.702 237.56 249.66 Mm the buttons has to be uh solid too , and the material is soft rubber . Uh I've got a uh email from the possibilities of Real Reaction . 241.73 243.38 249.66 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 250.79 251.414 250.81 251.36 Um - TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 252.758 265.838 252.78 265.838 uh they're telling me that um when we build uh a remote control of um of plastic or rubber , the uh buttons have to be uh rubber too . Mm 259.58 265.09 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 268.342 268.966 268.36 268.93 It's okay . Yeah . 268.76 268.93 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 270.006 288.374 270.03 288.374 I when we use a rubbled a doubled curved case , we must use a rubber push-buttons to uh the the rubber double-curved case is a is a t uh three-dimensional uh curve in the in the design , which is uh necessary when we want to be trendy . Uh 274.51 285.39 288.16 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 290.214 290.918 290.23 290.81 Um - TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 293.718 293.91 293.77 293.85 Oh . 293.85 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 296.566 301.158 296.59 301.12 the energy source , uh I've got a lot of possibilities for that too . Um , 297.77 300.71 301.12 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 302.286 313.286 302.34 313.286 uh the basic battery , which I thi prefer because of its uh its non uh non-depending of of of uh um 303.78 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 314.502 320.374 314.53 320.34 Uh here you have to have a hand uh yeah , kinetic uh 319.34 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 321.638 341.54 321.66 341.45 energy . Also in uh this one , like in the watches , but a remote control can lie on a table for a day , and then you push uh a button and so you don't have to uh walk with it all the all the time . Mm , solar cells are also uh a bit weird for uh remote controls . 322.69 324.09 324.92 328.58 335.81 336.26 341.45 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 343.03 343.766 343.09 343.66 Um - TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 345.375 355.846 345.43 355.8 uh also the case material , uh I think that plastic is the is the best with rubber , because uh wood or titanium 348.24 353.4 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 356.87 358.534 356.89 358.44 would also be a bit weird . 358.44 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 359.986 361.094 360.19 360.99 Oh titanium is - TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 362.182 364.485 362.2 364.45 probably trendy , I think . 364.08 364.45 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 365.622 367.11 365.68 367.07 That's true , I guess . Yeah . 366.13 366.84 367.07 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 365.883 366.565 365.883 366.565 . 366.565 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 368.134 369.608 368.15 369.51 Well , maybe a little bit expensive . 368.25 369.51 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 372.198 372.726 372.23 372.68 I don't know . 372.68 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 372.87 373.158 372.94 373.11 Huh . 373.11 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 373.202 376.646 373.36 376.61 Uh , they don't tell anything about the cost of uh titanium . 373.44 376.61 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 377.782 378.438 377.85 378.4 Um - TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 382.086 396.038 382.15 395.97 the chip uh the chip set uh and the board is uh all off the shelf . Also , the speaker in the remote control , when we want to retrieve it . Um , the base station is also off the shelf , all the materials and the 386.3 386.67 389.22 391.46 391.78 394.05 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 397.382 400.358 397.4 400.3 components are uh just available in uh - TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 401.526 404.438 401.55 404.4 in our uh factory . 404.4 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 406.022 406.614 406.05 406.55 Mm , 406.55 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 410.241 433.046 410.31 433.01 I've told about uh the three first points . Mm , the simple electronical chip uh is is available uh with the LED transmitter uh transmitter . Uh , it's all uh off the shelf and even the speaker and the wireless retriever are all uh available in our company . 414.31 415.27 424.09 425.06 433.01 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 434.038 436.646 434.06 436.55 Um , another possibility . I uh 434.67 435.9 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 437.798 444.15 437.83 444.11 yeah , I looked up on was uh the L_C_D_ displays . Could be uh 438.4 443.2 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 445.111 456.086 445.13 456.05 something special to our uh remote control , and it's possible , but it only cost a bit more , but maybe it can be uh within the limits of twenty five Euros . 448.01 449.35 451.73 456.05 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 457.35 458.167 457.37 458.13 Twelve and a half . 458.13 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 458.982 459.496 459.02 459.41 Ah yeah . 459.41 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 459.254 459.75 459.27 459.75 Actually - TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 459.231 459.574 459.29 459.54 Yeah . 459.54 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 459.745 461.574 459.8 461.54 Yeah , production cost . 460.85 461.54 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 463.098 475.142 463.098 475.142 I th I got an email with uh some examples and it these were were the most trendiest one . You see uh a covers , which can be 471.58 473.97 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 476.246 478.786 476.27 478.7 What are those , t tooth uh brushes , or so 476.91 478.44 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 478.232 480.228 478.3 480.228 Um , I don't know . Um 478.86 479.57 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 481.75 490.566 481.77 490.52 But it's actually kind of uh well , it resembles the design I had in mind for this proj You know the the cartoonish Alessi kind of design . 483.37 490.52 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 482.429 483.249 482.52 483.249 I - TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 485.33 485.862 485.39 485.81 Yes . 485.81 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 486.111 486.595 486.22 486.51 Yep . 486.51 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 491.606 500.342 491.63 500.28 Yes , maybe we can uh bri uh bring a couple of uh couple of types of uh maybe a kind of uh whole uh 491.91 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 494.87 496.849 494.91 496.76 And we can we can steal their ideas . 496.76 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 501.398 501.958 501.46 501.92 um - TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 504.038 512.163 504.21 512.13 a whole set of uh different uh remote controls . Maybe we can bring a whole line uh with uh 509.54 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 509.708 510.342 509.92 510.11 Huh . 510.11 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 513.277 516.342 513.36 516.31 with a huge variety of uh - TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 517.572 519.094 517.62 519.01 Well , it's a possibility , too . 518.05 518.83 519.01 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 517.605 525.814 517.65 525.814 uh house uh stuff . Like uh maybe radios and uh television also uh in this in this in the same style , but 519.57 525.59 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 518.138 519.462 518.28 519.41 Different colours also . 519.41 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 522.173 522.695 522.33 522.62 Uh-uh . 522.62 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 525.478 527.766 525.478 527.73 Yeah , that'll be for the future , I guess . 526.17 527.24 527.73 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 526.105 526.645 526.23 526.58 Okay . 526.58 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 527.83 531.65 527.83 531.65 Yeah . 530.8 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 528.103 535.636 528.16 535.55 Yes , because we have to uh we have to we have to bring the logo and all the stuff uh back into it . 528.45 535.55 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 528.466 532.719 528.466 532.719 Next time we're here . 532.64 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 530.481 531.57 530.57 531.57 Yeah . 531.42 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 533.878 534.598 533.9 534.56 Oh , okay . 533.96 534.56 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 535.27 536.486 535.33 536.45 Yeah . Definitely . 535.88 536.45 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 540.136 540.801 540.22 540.57 Okay . 540.57 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 540.354 541.046 540.354 541.0 Okay . 541.0 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 540.336 542.083 540.38 542.083 Thank you . 541.86 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 540.262 541.069 540.44 541.02 Alright . 541.02 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 543.307 544.39 543.307 544.39 uh - TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 543.357 546.214 543.357 546.16 Yeah . That's okay . 545.66 546.16 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 546.105 546.879 546.2 546.74 Ah . 546.74 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 560.854 564.118 560.87 564.08 Well , I shall go to the next slide . Um 561.29 563.19 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 565.601 576.49 565.66 576.49 um , I still don't have any information about user requirements . I was thinking about just uh the basic functions and I got uh 567.25 570.67 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 575.622 578.55 575.64 578.49 Oh , we decided upon that in the last meeting . 575.8 578.49 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 579.893 587.917 579.94 587.917 Yeah , but but then wh I don't know when there are new user requirements . I ha I ha I have the I have 580.34 586.01 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 579.986 580.694 580.19 580.63 Didn't we ? 580.63 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 585.766 594.457 585.8 594.2 Oh , okay . Well , tha I didn't receive any new requirements or somethi Just no , but we decided to use only b basic functions only . 585.92 586.49 586.65 590.76 594.2 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 589.873 590.447 589.9 590.37 nothing . 590.37 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 593.919 597.27 594.05 597.2 Well , I have here a couple of basic functions I could think of . 594.35 597.2 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 597.414 597.91 597.43 597.85 Okay . 597.85 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 598.422 602.646 598.49 602.646 I dunno if they're maybe a little bit more , but 602.49 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 603.958 609.79 603.98 609.79 Well we maybe we can think of that later . W just these are the ones you already summed up in the 606.1 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 605.766 606.198 605.79 606.16 Yeah . 606.16 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 609.258 617.893 609.34 617.78 Yeah , I I uh well , I pointed them out here , just to make it a little bit easier . Um 609.69 612.48 614.49 616.68 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 613.974 614.454 614.12 614.42 Okay . 614.42 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 618.882 644.086 618.94 643.9 Another function uh is of course we already discuss it on the side . Um , I don't know what costs of it . Uh , I've no idea about it . Uh , I was also looking for what you said , for I got an email uh uh about uh L_C_D_ in in in front of the remote control . I don't know if that's a good idea , or maybe it's a little bit 624.8 625.39 628.11 628.95 630.17 630.44 632.24 639.58 641.34 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 645.11 647.417 645.13 647.36 too much for twelve and a half . 647.36 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 648.301 651.878 648.32 651.84 Production . If we got already uh something like a base . 649.45 651.84 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 648.271 648.778 648.33 648.69 Yeah . 648.69 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 649.054 649.495 649.09 649.43 Uh-huh . 649.43 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 651.154 655.768 651.25 655.768 That might get redundant also maybe . I don't know what kind of information it would 653.47 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 654.385 659.665 654.47 659.665 Yeah , I don't know . I d I uh ju I was just thinking about it . Then I got a pop-ups to go to the meeting . But 654.76 655.31 657.36 659.4 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 655.456 656.165 655.57 655.98 Mm yeah . 655.98 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 657.542 659.008 657.56 658.92 Yeah . Yeah , it's okay . 658.04 658.21 658.92 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 658.262 670.413 658.28 670.413 Maybe we can bring t uh uh teletext to the t to the remote control . 670.15 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 663.279 669.222 663.33 669.222 The remote control . a little uh too A little bit 664.78 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 663.794 670.722 663.794 670.56 Then you and then you've got a flag s Very big R_C_ . Yeah . 670.31 670.56 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 668.102 669.778 668.12 669.778 Okay . That's not 669.22 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 670.105 672.368 670.34 672.19 A little bit too big , I think . 671.68 672.19 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 670.561 672.387 670.561 672.29 It was not a good idea . 672.29 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 673.174 673.891 673.19 673.82 Exactly . 673.82 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 674.822 675.27 674.84 675.22 Okay . 675.22 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 675.382 687.974 675.5 687.94 Um , yeah . Well , the functions are are not more to discuss , I think . It's it's just the base things we already discussed that the no V_C_R_ or that kind of uh , so that's very easy . 676.12 677.28 677.5 680.3 680.97 686.5 687.94 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 680.279 681.27 680.36 681.22 No . No . 681.01 681.22 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 681.367 681.808 681.46 681.63 No . 681.63 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 689.078 690.055 689.1 690.055 Um - TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 689.561 692.806 689.63 692.77 But you do mention the next and previous uh button . 692.77 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 693.217 697.158 693.28 697.158 Mm-hmm . Well , that's next channel . I mean next channel . Uh 694.43 694.75 695.79 696.93 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 694.042 696.089 694.12 695.5 Next channel , previous channel . 694.74 695.5 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 695.455 697.286 695.56 697.24 Oh , okay , o okay okay . 695.85 696.16 697.24 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 700.15 708.278 700.18 708.24 Um oh , I I got an email with with an uh a remote control with a base . So , it's uh just an idea . 701.22 705.94 706.85 708.24 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 703.83 704.182 703.88 704.15 Huh . 704.15 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 709.942 712.774 710.06 712.774 And I um - TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 713.203 724.029 713.203 724.029 uh thinked of the button sizes and I'm not sure uh if they have to be big or uh just small - TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 724.278 727.526 724.3 727.526 But you're the expert . 727.22 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 724.609 726.182 724.74 726.13 I think it depends on the function . 726.13 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 726.099 730.998 726.14 730.96 Well , I'm not a e I'm the expert for user-friendly , but not for trendiness . 726.36 729.32 730.96 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 732.026 732.624 732.15 732.49 Mm-hmm . 732.49 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 732.115 733.894 732.22 733.894 Maybe it - TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 732.581 739.75 732.7 739.72 Well , if you save uh Perhaps uh s tiny buttons aren't user-friendly , then we wouldn't im implement that of course . 732.96 736.71 739.72 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 741.254 750.672 741.254 750.63 Well uh okay , that's your point . Um , yeah . Yeah , okay . 746.58 747.7 749.09 750.05 750.17 750.63 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 751.878 754.934 751.9 754.72 Yeah , I've nothing to s 752.04 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 753.99 758.482 754.01 758.35 Well , w when we only use basic functions , we have the possibility to make the buttons larger . 754.26 756.13 758.35 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 753.977 754.833 754.06 754.62 Oh , that's right . 754.15 754.62 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 757.853 763.542 757.98 763.542 Uh , with a little bit larger , yeah . I thought so , but maybe with the 758.13 759.41 760.11 760.67 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 758.577 759.034 758.7 758.9 Yeah . 758.9 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 763.542 778.454 763.56 778.454 Well , I think we already agreed upon the fact that the the the skip buttons and the cha and the volume buttons , th th those two have yeah , they have to be large . Uh , I mean th th the the two two basic buttons , you know , the to skip channels and to uh 763.83 769.5 771.23 772.47 772.84 774.98 775.28 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 770.836 773.131 770.9 772.82 Yeah , that groups . Large ? 771.13 772.48 772.82 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 776.56 777.058 776.6 776.96 Yeah . 776.96 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 777.528 777.936 777.61 777.84 Yep . 777.84 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 779.526 790.406 779.55 790.37 I think yeah , I don't know why , but I think that is that's t trendy too , because that's the mo it it you know , it's uh acc acc um accentu uh , how do you say it ? 780.22 780.92 783.81 785.66 789.75 790.37 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 782.726 785.382 782.9 785.3 Most the most used uh buttons . 785.3 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 782.95 784.562 783.05 784.35 Those are probably the the th - TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 791.414 801.728 791.43 801.41 It puts an extra accent on the the on the simplicity of our remotes to j to make these two most basic functions extra big , like t 800.98 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 795.286 795.638 795.31 795.6 Yes . 795.6 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 796.306 797.337 796.33 797.22 True . Yeah . 797.02 797.22 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 800.965 807.403 801.0 807.17 Those are probably the b four most most used buttons on the th in the remote control . 807.17 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 805.297 805.638 805.32 805.58 Yeah . 805.58 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 806.396 807.686 806.48 807.59 You did the research . 807.59 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 806.758 808.924 806.79 808.81 And you want to acc accentuate that , you know . 808.4 808.81 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 806.913 807.546 807.09 807.49 Yeah . 807.49 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 808.497 814.576 808.497 814.576 It's from your research . 814.19 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 808.545 808.952 808.57 808.82 Sorry ? 808.82 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 810.717 813.078 810.83 813.078 Yeah , sure . 811.34 812.81 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 811.782 815.43 811.782 815.43 So - TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 814.582 829.494 814.67 829.35 Okay . Uh , that was all y uh personal preference I didn't have . I didn't had any time left . So Yeah , . 816.07 816.77 820.35 822.06 829.35 829.35 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 820.63 821.231 820.65 821.13 Okay . 821.13 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 822.39 823.998 822.46 823.82 No uh , that's coo it's cool . 822.99 823.82 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 824.801 827.517 824.85 827.517 You don't care . No , sorry . 825.44 825.74 827.39 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 829.606 830.313 829.78 830.1 Yeah . 830.1 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 834.825 835.174 834.96 835.12 Oh . 835.12 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 836.198 836.806 836.27 836.73 Go away . 836.73 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 846.438 847.149 846.55 846.91 Come on . 846.91 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 846.547 847.296 846.61 847.19 It's there . 847.19 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 848.443 849.823 848.54 849.73 Yeah , click on it . 849.22 849.73 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 851.75 852.118 851.75 852.118 . 852.118 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 852.642 853.789 852.7 853.71 Couple time . 853.71 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 853.854 854.646 854.0 854.51 Oh , great . 854.15 854.51 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 856.55 860.95 856.61 860.83 Well , I've done some research again about trends on the internet . 857.3 860.83 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 862.791 868.071 862.84 867.95 Um I've done some investigation , and uh well 866.16 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 869.222 875.206 869.31 875.16 I uh got some information from fashion watchers from Paris and uh Milan . 875.16 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 876.918 915.398 876.918 915.32 Some uh some findings the most important thing is fancy look and feel of the remote control . Uh , well , we were going to imply that , so that's nice . The second important thing is uh innovative technology in the R_C_ . Uh , our market really likes really likes that . And uh the third point there in this uh order if of importance , the third point , is a high ease of use . And uh , well , for the idea , I've put some trends uh for the market of elderly people . Dark colours , simple recognisable shapes . So we probably won't do that . 883.74 884.22 885.3 886.4 887.53 892.59 893.23 896.34 901.84 902.59 904.93 905.82 906.03 907.39 910.8 911.94 914.04 915.32 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 916.47 942.14 916.49 942.14 The younger market likes uh Well , the themes of of this year are uh surprisingly fruits and vegetables and spongy material . I found this image , which is uh Well , it symbolises the idea of fruits and vegetables . I don't see the spongy part in it . But with a little bit of fancy 919.8 931.13 932.43 935.42 938.18 939.79 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 941.606 947.35 941.63 947.35 Well maybe c then we have to do something with Sponge Bob then . 947.23 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 944.637 952.646 944.637 952.61 Exactly . I got some ideas Uh well , yeah , pictures isn't really good word , but um 948.13 949.98 950.37 951.78 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 954.017 982.95 954.16 982.95 some symbols of fruits or vegetables maybe . Uh , catchy colours . Fruit is uh yellow , green , red , whatever . So , remote controls in in catchy colours . Uh , no , we don't want dark colours . No , I just put them there to uh , yeah , uh for general idea . And uh , the docking st uh I think the spongy material is is very irritating for the uh remote control itself . But to 956.91 957.29 958.87 960.73 961.11 961.39 962.23 963.35 966.09 966.66 967.06 969.49 969.7 971.45 971.69 973.5 974.4 982.37 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 963.03 965.142 963.12 965.09 It doesn't stroke with the with the dark colours . 965.09 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 967.918 969.44 967.918 969.35 Not the dark colours ? Okay . 968.96 969.35 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 973.082 973.581 973.16 973.49 Okay . 973.49 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 984.166 1001.686 984.19 1001.59 Yeah , the To implement some spongy thing , maybe we can do it in the in the docking station . At the bottom of the docking station or whatever . And uh , we could bring one line with a dark colour uh to um uh p uh yeah uh uh v how do you say ? 984.48 986.86 989.76 992.58 993.54 1001.59 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1002.214 1004.284 1002.27 1004.284 For diversity or something . Uh 1004.1 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1003.689 1022.646 1003.76 1022.61 Yeah , also a bit for elderly people who are a little bit crazy and want maybe want a little younger design but still the dark colour . I mean it it it reaches a different market uh , but it it it doesn't cost really much effort to b to uh bring uh like a black R_C_ on the market or whatever . Yes . 1004.53 1012.66 1016.07 1022.38 1022.61 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1008.566 1009.487 1008.59 1009.487 Well , how uh 1008.68 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1022.242 1032.162 1022.38 1031.95 But how do we use uh fruits and vegetables in Christ's sake with remote control ? Uh , make it a banana ? 1030.48 1030.95 1031.95 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1029.038 1035.269 1029.19 1035.01 No , but I I I think that uh our design already resembles so a piece of fruit . It's like a pear or something . 1029.41 1033.63 1035.01 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1029.644 1031.349 1029.79 1031.12 Yeah , there's there's always a 1030.14 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1033.581 1051.669 1033.64 1051.669 Well there there's always empty space of course on a remote control . I mean I think this part of the R_C_ uh well the upper the upper part or whatever is uh is not not used with buttons , I guess . So you you can put some fruity things 1037.18 1047.63 1048.42 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1042.23 1044.026 1042.28 1044.026 No , I don't think you have to do it like 1042.38 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1051.034 1066.597 1051.05 1066.06 Yeah , but it that doesn't have to remind you , you know , like explicitly of s our f of a of a specific piece of fruit , but just , you know , like the the the the round curves . And so y I I think this y it already sem resembles uh something like a pear to me or something . 1051.21 1052.84 1053.05 1058.1 1058.53 1058.78 1060.52 1066.06 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1055.67 1056.706 1055.7 1056.64 No , of course not . 1056.02 1056.64 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1061.65 1062.805 1061.71 1062.73 Especially i - TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1064.47 1067.91 1064.49 1067.91 Yeah , but th yeah , but that 1064.74 1066.18 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1065.926 1067.527 1065.95 1067.44 Yeah , yeah . Yeah , exactly . 1066.25 1066.79 1066.94 1067.44 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1068.785 1070.024 1068.87 1070.024 Yeah , but that's 1069.49 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1068.86 1070.706 1068.92 1070.5 If we make it little bit greenish . 1070.5 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1069.029 1069.628 1069.17 1069.45 Yeah . 1069.45 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1070.135 1073.505 1070.2 1073.38 You do get the idea , eh ? The fruity kind of round 'Kay . 1071.12 1071.17 1073.38 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1071.333 1072.435 1071.35 1072.435 Yeah uh uh - TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1073.036 1078.1 1073.08 1077.93 A and we could use one of these for the uh w what is it ? 1077.93 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1076.989 1083.814 1077.12 1083.814 Yeah , uh yeah , I don't know . Uh , this is a b yeah . 1077.39 1078.33 1081.08 1081.36 1083.61 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1079.03 1079.622 1079.05 1079.56 Grapes . 1079.56 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1079.098 1079.613 1079.26 1079.613 Uh - TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1080.646 1081.077 1080.67 1081.077 Isn't - TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1082.413 1083.353 1082.51 1083.19 Wha whatever . 1083.19 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1082.782 1090.823 1083.04 1090.68 But d don't we need a creative artist or something like that to m make it to feel like a a a a vegetable or fruit ? 1090.68 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1086.851 1089.639 1086.9 1089.639 Yeah , yeah . Of course we have uh 1087.2 1087.41 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1088.685 1089.302 1088.76 1089.24 Yeah , sure . 1088.88 1089.24 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1090.501 1090.902 1090.66 1090.86 Yeah . 1090.86 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1090.902 1093.035 1090.92 1092.79 we have a very big uh the s - TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1091.844 1110.598 1091.91 1110.55 Well , w we can uh w we can we can produce multiple uh multiple things . This is then the uh pear . I don't know the English word , so forget it . And um , maybe , yeah , a b a banana is uh is n not easy for a remote control , but m yeah . 1092.16 1097.43 1099.46 1100.88 1103.25 1105.27 1105.67 1105.86 1109.55 1110.55 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1093.43 1096.905 1093.45 1096.905 For a big team of artists . 1096.42 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1094.614 1096.481 1094.8 1096.3 Of d design team , yeah . 1095.91 1096.3 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1100.075 1101.174 1100.075 1101.174 Yeah , but 1100.86 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1101.916 1103.206 1101.916 1103.17 It's pear , I guess . 1102.84 1103.17 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1104.838 1107.024 1104.87 1106.92 But uh but I think we don't have to make - TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1110.79 1116.054 1110.81 1116.02 we can't make all uh ten designs . We have to make one design I th I I think . 1113.84 1116.02 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1110.792 1111.416 1110.87 1111.25 No . 1111.25 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1116.038 1129.216 1116.4 1129.01 No , but I think it's it's already what we were were up to . Uh , it's it doesn't have to resemble uh what I already said , a specific piece of fruit , but just , you know , like a fruity thing going on . And it's it looks fruity to me . 1116.47 1120.2 1120.42 1123.43 1124.77 1125.25 1125.46 1127.57 1129.01 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1117.142 1118.708 1117.28 1118.55 Mayb maybe two or three . 1118.55 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1119.427 1119.878 1119.5 1119.84 Yeah . 1119.84 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1120.447 1120.871 1120.51 1120.78 Yeah . 1120.78 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1125.057 1126.198 1125.13 1126.198 No sure , but but 1125.61 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1127.217 1132.742 1127.35 1132.742 B but that's great , and and and what I was what what I was saying , the catchy colours 1128.93 1131.72 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1131.014 1141.334 1131.03 1141.27 And uh , but I do like the yeah , I do like uh the f uh to the idea of making a a y uh , a catchy colour design and a d because I do I think a dark colour would be nice too . 1131.22 1132.87 1136.57 1141.27 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1141.926 1142.182 1141.95 1142.15 Yeah . 1142.15 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1141.889 1146.145 1141.99 1146.145 But pictures of fruit , vegetables vegetables 1143.77 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1143.174 1144.748 1143.19 1144.4 Maybe it's too much , you know . 1144.1 1144.4 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1143.955 1154.459 1144.12 1154.38 But , we we have to um There have to be the the the the firm colours , our own uh colours has to be in it . Yellow , a Real Reaction . 1144.32 1148.97 1152.67 1153.29 1154.38 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1144.106 1147.872 1144.24 1147.872 Yeah , uh not really . Pictures was a was a bad word , but 1144.83 1145.73 1147.53 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1150.07 1152.262 1150.09 1152.21 Okay , but what are the This is yellow . 1150.47 1152.21 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1151.654 1152.934 1151.67 1152.8 Well we c yeah . 1152.8 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1153.831 1156.086 1153.88 1156.03 Yes , you can put a logo on top of it . 1154.12 1156.03 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1156.378 1157.176 1156.4 1156.93 Yeah , sure . 1156.63 1156.93 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1156.356 1159.734 1156.41 1159.55 But I don't think our our company colours are this fashionable . 1159.55 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1157.147 1157.945 1157.26 1157.83 Uh , yeah . 1157.33 1157.83 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1160.198 1172.55 1160.22 1172.55 Maybe we can if if we got our docking station over here . I can't draw with this thing , but I'll try . If this is our docking station , we can make our logo over here . It doesn't work . And then 1163.95 1165.39 1166.49 1167.9 1170.73 1172.15 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1160.788 1162.496 1160.788 1162.25 We uh f - TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1160.78 1163.362 1160.9 1163.362 Yes , it's really fruity . 1161.14 1163.24 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1166.326 1167.382 1166.35 1167.17 A yellow do - TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1168.932 1169.389 1169.03 1169.29 Uh , yeah . 1169.07 1169.29 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1173.156 1174.178 1173.18 1174.1 Yeah , and the button then . 1173.32 1174.1 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1174.182 1175.519 1174.2 1175.32 With a strawberry on top . 1175.32 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1175.094 1177.605 1175.16 1177.605 Yeah , on uh n uh on the bottom of the remote you can do 1175.42 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1175.462 1179.222 1175.59 1179.19 Well , the button button over here or whatever , I don't know . 1176.74 1178.7 1179.19 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1178.635 1179.878 1178.87 1179.84 Okay , yeah . 1179.62 1179.84 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1180.998 1183.388 1181.02 1183.31 On the front , of course , because else you can't find it . 1181.59 1182.07 1183.31 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1184.934 1185.75 1185.08 1185.43 Okay . 1185.43 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1185.174 1187.702 1185.36 1187.55 Well , that were my ideas a little bit . 1186.15 1187.55 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1188.742 1192.454 1188.78 1192.33 I'll close 'em down . Um , go away . 1190.42 1191.77 1192.33 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1188.998 1189.762 1189.02 1189.68 Okay . 1189.68 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1194.678 1197.915 1194.7 1197.83 Okay , you can you open the conceptual design presentation ? 1194.9 1197.83 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1196.817 1198.374 1196.9 1198.34 Conceptual design , yes . 1197.96 1198.34 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1199.062 1200.63 1199.1 1200.59 See what was on the agenda . 1200.59 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1201.574 1204.327 1201.574 1204.327 Lazy . 1203.76 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1203.433 1204.374 1203.5 1204.33 The agenda . 1204.33 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1204.844 1216.592 1204.89 1216.52 This is his own remote . Because um , maybe we can start with the technical uh functions , but I don't think it's there uh , yeah um , do we want to um use an L_C_D_ display , for example ? 1206.24 1207.26 1211.05 1212.2 1212.8 1215.77 1216.52 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1206.771 1207.336 1206.9 1207.27 Yeah . 1207.27 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1217.622 1222.197 1217.64 1222.197 Well , it's nice , of course . But I don't I don't know what to display on it . I mean 1217.84 1218.61 1219.18 1221.65 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1218.586 1219.534 1218.65 1219.534 Only if we - TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1221.599 1223.253 1221.599 1223.08 Me neither . 1223.08 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1221.525 1225.734 1221.63 1225.67 Maybe maybe we can make a T_V_ guide on it , for the channel you're on . 1224.32 1225.67 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1226.79 1230.917 1226.81 1230.917 Yeah , but it should be li like this big , and I don't think 1226.92 1229.96 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1227.27 1228.397 1227.29 1228.397 Yeah , but it's so 1227.66 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1230.028 1239.464 1230.15 1239.32 No , no , only the T_V_ channel with the with uh with uh four programmes . You can uh zap through them with the page up page down button . 1230.36 1230.76 1235.96 1239.32 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1230.522 1232.069 1230.7 1231.96 I don't think we should do it . 1231.96 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1239.606 1250.218 1239.86 1250.218 Yes sure , but it it has to to show an entire title of a programme or at least a q a quite quite large part of it and then you get a very large L_C_D_ screen , because 1240.21 1249.81 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1246.326 1247.179 1246.35 1247.179 Yes , it can 1246.67 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1248.078 1248.652 1248.17 1248.652 On your - TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1249.367 1254.64 1249.45 1254.54 No , on your mobile phone you can y you can read text also . So why not on your remote ? 1249.81 1253.19 1254.54 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1255.577 1264.754 1255.66 1264.754 Yeah , but no . I do I think it's a bit redundant , actually . And it's also not I don't th even think it it looks s like sexy or something , it's 1255.81 1257.5 1259.41 1259.9 1264.33 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1257.238 1258.301 1257.38 1258.0 Yeah , I don't know . 1257.53 1258.0 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1263.47 1265.542 1263.53 1265.51 Well well what would you display on it then ? 1265.51 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1265.99 1270.247 1266.08 1270.18 Uh , programme uh information or or or or g or a guide 1266.24 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1267.67 1269.042 1267.71 1269.042 Programme information . But 1268.72 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1268.338 1272.687 1268.55 1272.65 But is it isn't that a already on T_V_ , a lot of new T_V_s ? 1271.23 1272.65 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1271.442 1274.894 1271.54 1274.894 on t on teletext , yes . Also on the internet . But 1272.71 1273.04 1274.63 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1273.762 1278.418 1273.83 1278.418 Well a lot a lot of T_V_s indeed show uh when you uh zap to a - TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1277.062 1280.363 1277.08 1280.18 But you're already watching the T_V_ , you're not gonna watch your remote control . 1278.41 1280.18 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1277.746 1278.603 1277.87 1278.24 Yeah . 1278.24 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1280.029 1282.134 1280.12 1282.1 Yes , but you also want to know what's next . 1280.35 1282.1 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1282.824 1293.842 1282.9 1293.75 But then we also uh w need to bring out a line of T_V_s which we were planning to , but whatever . Because the T_V_ has to send information back to the R_C_ , and I don't know if that's possible . 1287.45 1288.33 1292.26 1293.75 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1286.945 1288.791 1286.97 1288.6 Yeah , and we also have to yeah . 1287.12 1288.6 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1292.92 1298.074 1293.04 1298.074 Yes , that's uh really possible . 1293.51 1298.0 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1295.713 1309.188 1295.78 1308.91 Yes , yes , o of course it's possible , but you gotta uh implement it in the T_V_s , and I don't think everyone's gonna buy a Real Reaction T_V_ within a month after the release of our uh remote control . 1296.1 1296.38 1297.7 1301.8 1308.91 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1308.43 1309.369 1308.51 1309.369 And I also - TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1308.445 1337.295 1308.52 1337.23 I really understand you want to make your job more exciting by putting an L_C_D_ in it , but I I really don't think it's a good n goo because it also doesn't stroke with we wanted uh c When we talk about the materials , uh it's a good idea to use these plastic materials with soft rubber stuff on it . It was our idea , you know , to give it a more sturdy look and that you ca like you can throw with it . But I don't think a L_C_D_ display fits in that image . You know , it's like more vulnerable , and it adds nothing really , you know . 1312.89 1320.99 1325.33 1326.05 1326.29 1329.93 1332.77 1332.97 1334.89 1336.81 1337.23 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1328.022 1328.319 1328.05 1328.24 Yeah . 1328.24 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1335.793 1342.313 1335.91 1342.16 That's true , that's true , it breaks f yeah , it it it's not very solid , it's uh frag fragile . 1336.72 1337.31 1338.55 1339.98 1342.16 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1340.99 1347.014 1341.05 1346.96 Yeah , yeah . You could make it , but it's just it it doesn't I don't think it it's coherent with the design we're after . 1341.31 1341.46 1342.25 1346.96 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1346.44 1349.303 1346.52 1349.2 No . No . I don't think so ei either . 1347.29 1347.9 1349.2 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1349.699 1360.92 1349.76 1360.92 But that's my opinion . Well , you you y Okay , we can vote for it . You want the L_C_D_ display . I don't want to and he doesn't , so it's up to him . If we wanna 1351.2 1351.36 1352.25 1353.04 1355.29 1357.24 1359.95 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1354.529 1355.136 1354.71 1355.02 No . 1355.02 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1359.574 1362.342 1359.574 1362.342 . Ah . 1359.574 1361.57 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1359.907 1360.99 1360.04 1360.92 Yeah , I dunno . 1360.28 1360.92 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1362.069 1366.902 1362.29 1366.87 And I've read somewhere that I've got some kind of veto veto uh rights . 1366.87 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1366.802 1368.672 1366.802 1368.42 . Oh , okay . 1366.802 1368.18 1368.42 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1367.622 1371.158 1367.622 1371.158 Bastard . 1370.92 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1368.504 1370.23 1368.504 1370.23 So I can also say - TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1370.57 1371.984 1370.7 1371.85 We can you away . 1371.85 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1371.303 1375.456 1371.35 1375.456 But did we skip the Yeah , you could do m but what what i so what i but do you think we should 1372.62 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1373.135 1378.049 1373.135 1377.81 Yeah , I don't know . Uh , uh I i if it's it's a simple p 1374.73 1375.13 1375.25 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1377.318 1380.534 1377.34 1380.534 We're not even sure what what information we want to display on it . So 1380.21 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1379.622 1389.058 1379.64 1389.058 No , that that's right , and uh I also have to think about new functions , maybe buttons or something like that to control it . Kind of L_C_D_ or something or 1379.96 1380.71 1383.12 1387.17 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1379.63 1381.334 1379.89 1381.334 No uh um - TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1388.854 1397.296 1388.854 1397.24 Y yes , you can use uh buttons uh uh w that are already uh on the remote control for double functions . 1390.25 1397.24 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1390.037 1391.084 1390.15 1390.65 Yeah , I guess . 1390.28 1390.65 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1395.632 1401.03 1395.68 1401.0 But how does it display then ? W when I go to the second channel , what what does it show me ? 1397.6 1399.86 1401.0 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1398.053 1399.782 1398.1 1399.66 Uh , then you push a button . 1398.25 1399.66 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1401.782 1412.882 1401.89 1412.882 The title and the information about the programme . But but uh yeah , what he said was right , about the televisions , they have to be uh customised to the 1405.38 1407.53 1408.67 1409.85 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1405.11 1406.134 1405.2 1406.07 About that programme ? 1406.07 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1412.128 1413.51 1412.28 1413.48 Nah , that's not gonna work . 1412.68 1413.48 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1413.99 1418.294 1414.01 1418.26 But maybe in future it will be a giant hit , and when you are the first 1417.17 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1413.979 1414.836 1414.12 1414.29 No . 1414.29 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1415.361 1416.018 1415.46 1415.86 Yeah . 1415.86 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1419.028 1420.726 1419.06 1420.726 you have the biggest uh - TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1419.027 1432.2 1419.07 1432.12 Oh , well uh I've seen it done before . Do you know th like the the bigger rem uh universal remotes , they have d L_C_D_ displays , but then it's very functional to indicate which what uh uh device you are controlling . So it's that that's what I've seen . 1419.32 1420.93 1423.51 1425.6 1430.83 1432.12 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1420.894 1421.528 1420.95 1421.32 Yeah . 1421.32 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1432.468 1434.522 1432.55 1434.43 Yeah , that's true , if you uh Yeah . 1432.9 1433.35 1434.43 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1432.689 1439.699 1432.8 1439.58 Yes , you can put uh a little L_C_D_ display on it with uh with lots of information . But uh I haven't thought about it . 1433.02 1437.68 1439.58 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1437.59 1442.327 1437.61 1442.24 But it just it j it doesn't doesn't match with the our whole basic concept . 1442.24 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1441.667 1446.982 1441.73 1446.95 But whe but when you put a a a transparent uh plastic uh - TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1448.054 1451.958 1448.13 1451.958 uh screen on top of it , it i it isn't vulnerable . You can throw with it and 1449.35 1450.92 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1450.742 1453.702 1450.77 1453.702 Well yeah , yeah , okay . That's maybe not the most important , but it's just 1451.57 1451.66 1451.75 1453.02 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1453.654 1454.47 1453.67 1454.42 Is it fashion ? 1454.42 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1454.55 1465.175 1454.76 1465.175 When when you put uh maybe a colour L_C_D_ t uh screen on it , it's very special and very trendy to have uh a remote control from 1459.13 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1454.879 1456.116 1455.04 1455.86 I don't think so . 1455.86 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1461.966 1472.258 1461.966 1472.258 I don't know . That's not up to you . That's up to market if i if it's trendy . Because our our motto is we put fashion 1463.12 1463.85 1469.89 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1466.14 1471.036 1466.23 1470.72 Yeah , well do you ha do you have to You haven't looked after the trendiness of L_C_D_ displays , have you ? 1466.49 1470.23 1470.72 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1467.425 1468.639 1467.425 1468.639 No . 1468.43 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1469.943 1492.79 1470.07 1492.76 Well , I think it's uh I think it's pretty trendy , to be honest , uh but um I don't know if if if well , I'm coming back to the costs again , but I think uh we gotta build a b pretty cheap design to to stay within our limits . And I think uh especially colour L_C_D_ , which is indeed pretty trendy . But I don't think Uh , I think it will be too expensive . 1470.36 1472.13 1472.9 1476.88 1478.45 1485.3 1488.07 1489.37 1491.47 1492.76 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1493.766 1504.95 1493.79 1504.91 But uh I've got a the email with uh with the possibilities . And L_C_D_ was a possibility for the remote control . So why don't we use it . 1499.65 1503.06 1504.91 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1502.094 1502.768 1502.19 1502.71 Yeah yeah yeah . 1502.71 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1505.894 1512.262 1505.91 1512.22 Uh , did it say a price also uh for for uh monogramme uh L_C_D_ or uh coloured L_C_D_ ? 1506.03 1512.22 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1505.922 1507.094 1506.01 1507.094 Yeah , but we're gonna if it 1506.1 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1512.63 1515.606 1512.72 1515.606 Yeah , if you want to be trendy you have to be coloured . Coloured 1512.93 1515.02 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1516.71 1518.913 1516.73 1518.78 Yeah really , if y if you c i 1517.23 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1517.631 1520.765 1517.66 1520.765 If you have black and white or something , or grey , that's 1519.52 1520.27 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1519.911 1528.469 1519.97 1528.469 I in in two thousand and four you can't uh put something on the market which is a monogramme . Really . 1526.79 1528.32 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1520.11 1522.181 1520.25 1521.91 Then uh then you better don't yeah , d 1521.77 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1527.878 1533.566 1527.91 1533.48 No , but it doesn't sa say anything about a colour or But , mm , 1528.24 1533.13 1533.48 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1534.758 1538.959 1534.78 1538.959 I alf I also got a possibility to put uh a scroll button on it . But 1538.74 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1539.814 1548.71 1540.01 1548.71 Uh uh I really don't feel the whole idea of an L_C_D_ display . I'm sorry . It can't co you cannot convince me . I don't know how well how to with you guys , but 1542.97 1544.42 1546.58 1548.48 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1540.146 1543.079 1540.21 1543.079 I didn't think that - TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1550.374 1563.666 1550.39 1563.666 I don't really feel it . We already we're uh Yeah , we already have the the th th th base station gadgets , and want and it uh uh , do it has to be a simple design , which sturdy , which soft 1551.21 1554.65 1557.5 1558.6 1560.95 1562.6 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1552.681 1557.478 1552.681 1557.478 It's too much uh maybe uh with with the L_C_D_ and the docking station and - TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1554.596 1555.118 1554.66 1554.91 Yeah . 1554.91 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1561.135 1562.548 1561.19 1562.548 Yes , but o on the 1561.4 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1561.807 1565.126 1561.87 1565.126 W we've we've gotta find a balance , of course . And I think 1563.47 1564.3 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1562.614 1567.446 1562.83 1567.41 With one thing special . Not a whole package of specialty . 1565.16 1567.41 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1565.73 1566.437 1565.76 1566.437 I don't think - TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1567.558 1586.667 1567.66 1586.57 I j uh , and really , I don't see how the the L_C_D_ display is gonna add anything , you know , on a design level . Uh , I think it's slicker to have no L_ CEDs . Y we want to it's simplicity , w you have two big buttons and you can do whatever you want with these two buttons , so you don't need an L_C_D_ . 1568.12 1568.75 1572.81 1573.06 1575.19 1575.27 1578.7 1580.7 1585.24 1586.57 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1575.799 1577.337 1575.88 1577.24 No , when y 1576.8 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1579.654 1580.573 1579.67 1580.573 But it look - TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1583.669 1589.387 1583.83 1589.387 Yes , but that remote controls are already on the market . The simple 1584.14 1588.28 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1587.51 1591.638 1587.54 1591.6 It doesn't fit in our philosophy uh behind the whole remote . 1591.6 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1592.134 1595.478 1592.15 1595.478 Yes , but but when you want to have something special 1592.53 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1595.51 1598.71 1595.58 1598.71 Yeah , but we already have the docking station , which is 1595.74 1598.13 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1597.846 1602.038 1597.846 1602.0 Yes , but you had a picture of it from another company . 1599.04 1602.0 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1598.665 1600.021 1598.77 1599.61 We have a pear . 1599.61 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1598.932 1600.204 1599.18 1600.204 And uh the - TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1602.154 1611.796 1602.154 1611.74 It has to be developed , but no , but it that's that's our that's our killer feature . That's our what makes it special . 1605.59 1606.54 1609.74 1611.74 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1602.367 1606.038 1602.367 1606.038 Yeah . 1605.8 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1607.919 1610.98 1607.96 1610.98 It's just an it's just an idea . It's a it's 1609.81 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1610.207 1614.483 1610.25 1614.33 Yes , it was already made . Tha the remote control on the docking station . 1610.6 1612.17 1614.33 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1612.854 1616.108 1612.87 1615.85 Yeah , we're gonna develop our own r n docking station . 1613.03 1615.85 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1612.875 1613.64 1612.97 1613.29 True . 1613.29 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1614.757 1617.91 1614.91 1617.83 Is that so ? Was it it wasn't just a prototype ? 1615.59 1617.83 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1615.853 1617.491 1615.93 1617.36 Yes , he have a picture of it . 1616.22 1617.36 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1616.185 1617.441 1616.25 1617.441 Well uh I uh - TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1618.374 1619.894 1618.39 1619.82 Yeah , I dunno . 1619.1 1619.82 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1620.559 1622.879 1620.65 1622.62 Exactly , I've never seen it in a store . 1621.24 1622.62 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1621.802 1638.166 1622.01 1638.05 Uh , but re we really have to cut this off , I re I know you I I I I I get the idea you really like it , you know , the the L_C_D_ thing , but I I think it's it's not a good idea , and we have already mentioned all the arguments . I don't uh , do you guys agre How do you guys think ? I d 1622.2 1623.66 1628.47 1628.74 1629.67 1632.41 1635.39 1635.89 1637.82 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1637.995 1639.078 1638.08 1639.03 No , it's too much . 1638.37 1639.03 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1639.11 1640.758 1639.21 1640.71 I think it's a little too much , yeah . 1640.56 1640.71 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1641.078 1641.814 1641.1 1641.78 It's overdone . 1641.78 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1642.134 1655.078 1642.19 1654.8 Okay , we s skip the L_C_D_ display . I'm sorry , maybe you can do something if we are at your own place , or make it make it make it happen in your basement or something . 1642.46 1646.75 1647.32 1651.02 1654.8 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1643.882 1644.372 1643.94 1644.23 Okay . 1644.23 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1645.094 1646.534 1645.094 1646.48 Okay . 1646.48 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1647.043 1648.459 1647.043 1648.17 Democratically . 1648.17 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1648.086 1649.053 1648.086 1648.86 No . 1648.86 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1652.23 1653.415 1652.23 1653.415 . 1653.415 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1652.295 1654.773 1652.37 1654.773 Mayb - TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1655.958 1660.054 1655.958 1660.054 I will rule the world with it . 1659.82 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1656.103 1656.625 1656.29 1656.625 But - TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1657.494 1667.421 1657.494 1667.15 Probably so . Okay . But for the technical part . The m material , I think uh it was a good idea to use the plastic and uh the rubber . Uh 1659.47 1660.21 1661.2 1662.25 1666.82 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1658.166 1659.536 1658.166 1658.98 Yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah . 1658.46 1658.62 1658.77 1658.98 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1666.582 1669.03 1666.6 1669.03 Yes , maybe a bit of a cushion is 1666.86 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1669.292 1685.533 1669.32 1685.42 Yeah yeah yeah , p Exactly . This is what it w Yeah , but it it was already what we're uh we're after , you know , to give it uh , you know , the soft touch in your hands and also to , know , like Yeah , that is y the b airbag kind of thing . You can st throw it at your little brother's head . 1669.89 1670.52 1672.12 1674.22 1674.42 1675.13 1675.33 1677.65 1677.78 1679.49 1682.72 1685.42 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1670.452 1673.725 1670.57 1673.41 Yeah , for the spongy uh feel . Yeah . 1670.73 1673.24 1673.41 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1672.028 1672.71 1672.2 1672.58 Yes . 1672.58 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1672.414 1674.169 1672.75 1674.05 With a spongy Bob feel . 1674.05 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1676.397 1676.896 1676.48 1676.79 Yeah . 1676.79 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1681.446 1682.694 1681.47 1682.66 Like a b yes . 1682.66 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1682.77 1683.943 1682.77 1683.87 Yeah , airbag . 1683.5 1683.87 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1682.741 1684.895 1682.81 1684.7 Yeah , you just can drop it . Yeah . 1683.04 1684.4 1684.7 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1684.79 1688.102 1684.81 1688.102 If you drop it if you drop it the airbag comes out , yeah . 1687.37 1687.77 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1687.255 1689.891 1687.36 1689.891 Yeah . 1689.06 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1687.396 1689.94 1687.48 1689.27 Yeah . No no no , not that comfy . 1688.15 1688.61 1689.27 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1688.79 1697.456 1688.99 1697.22 Maybe it but then we have to look that it uh w uh will not um be too childish to see . 1697.22 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1697.001 1708.839 1697.07 1708.839 Yeah yeah . Yeah . Okay , that's a that's a good point . And that's why I like the dark t col dark colour bit , you know , because it may be the design uh , it's uh maybe it is a bit of the 1697.94 1698.34 1698.66 1699.74 1703.19 1703.87 1706.34 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1703.642 1703.983 1703.72 1703.88 Yeah . 1703.88 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1708.206 1710.07 1708.37 1710.03 But not black I think . 1710.03 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1710.054 1714.534 1710.07 1714.49 it's a bit nineties maybe , what we're what we're up to rat fun to this point . 1711.44 1714.49 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1710.811 1711.631 1710.85 1711.43 No . 1711.43 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1713.75 1716.87 1713.83 1716.82 Well if if it's fruit and vegetables , it have to be colourful . 1715.74 1716.82 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1717.19 1725.321 1717.25 1725.321 Yeah , that's that's true , but but it has to be a little big solid . It mustn't be too , n you know , th too overwhelming , then when you put it on your just 1717.46 1718.22 1720.79 1722.12 1722.63 1724.0 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1717.426 1720.195 1717.54 1719.98 Yeah , b yeah , that's what w I I was pointing at . 1718.22 1718.53 1719.98 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1718.223 1719.645 1718.27 1719.645 But can we ge uh uh - TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1724.509 1728.198 1724.57 1728.16 Can we combine it or something ? Uh with uh yellow and black ? 1726.34 1728.16 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1726.426 1726.983 1726.55 1726.91 Yeah . 1726.91 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1728.534 1729.686 1728.55 1729.63 Yeah , maybe so . 1728.9 1729.63 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1729.958 1730.63 1729.98 1730.6 Make it a bee ? 1730.6 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1731.557 1734.342 1731.74 1734.342 What ? Oh , a bee . Oh . 1732.78 1732.98 1733.75 1734.2 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1732.23 1734.502 1732.23 1734.502 A bee . 1734.4 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1734.422 1740.66 1734.44 1740.66 No , uh I don't like the yellow and black combination . But it is our company colours . Apparently . 1734.63 1737.57 1739.38 1740.21 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1739.27 1743.825 1739.3 1743.825 Yes , real real good colours . 1739.71 1743.72 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1739.523 1744.838 1739.7 1744.79 Yeah , it's our yeah . We we have to use yellow . 1740.45 1742.31 1744.79 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1741.958 1744.81 1741.958 1744.72 Yeah . 1744.72 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1745.686 1746.022 1745.71 1745.98 Hmm . 1745.98 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1746.982 1747.782 1747.0 1747.74 Hmm . 1747.74 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1747.75 1749.905 1747.77 1749.83 I don't like yellow , and uh maybe I don't know . 1748.88 1749.83 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1749.16 1750.55 1749.19 1750.5 Well , we can as as I 1749.33 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1750.934 1752.529 1750.95 1752.31 But that's not really fruity . 1752.31 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1751.708 1764.038 1751.81 1763.79 draw really nicely over there . We can put the logo on our uh on our base station . Uh , yeah . And maybe very very tiny on the remote control itself . But , i 1754.3 1757.93 1758.87 1759.55 1763.02 1763.72 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1759.853 1760.3 1760.02 1760.3 But - TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1764.828 1768.214 1764.91 1768.17 Okay , but what uh , what are other tef technical things we have to discuss ? 1765.09 1765.52 1768.17 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1768.694 1769.718 1768.78 1769.68 Uh fronts - TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1770.742 1771.414 1770.76 1771.414 of the - TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1772.486 1776.886 1772.51 1776.84 We can have uh different uh uh fronts of the - TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1777.323 1791.552 1777.43 1791.3 Should we do that ? I don't think you we should do that . Maybe just bring it out in different colours , but not af that you can switch fronts afterwards , that's also too much . People don't wanna spend more money on their remote control , I guess . 1778.58 1779.7 1782.08 1785.53 1788.06 1790.94 1791.3 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1777.751 1778.534 1777.88 1778.48 telephone . 1778.48 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1780.908 1782.063 1780.99 1782.02 Different fronts . 1782.02 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1782.145 1785.122 1782.38 1785.06 Yeah . I guess that's that's enough . 1783.74 1785.06 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1788.016 1789.264 1788.07 1789.12 That's way too Nokia . 1789.12 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1789.595 1790.21 1789.71 1790.1 Yeah . 1790.1 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1791.083 1801.57 1791.14 1801.48 Uh , you can you can l uh let choose the customer which colour he wants , yeah . Yeah , Three three or four uh four uh colours , or something like that . 1791.32 1795.59 1796.53 1797.57 1800.24 1801.48 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1792.473 1793.513 1792.52 1793.46 Are these designs ? 1793.46 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1795.254 1796.165 1795.27 1795.92 Yeah , yeah . 1795.6 1795.92 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1795.752 1799.436 1795.87 1799.29 Yeah , definitely . Just bring more designs on the market . 1796.02 1797.58 1799.29 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1800.166 1803.99 1800.19 1803.96 But uh , without gon uh okay . So , are we through the technical part then ? 1800.37 1801.74 1802.2 1803.96 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1800.144 1801.507 1800.36 1801.35 Why not , yeah . 1800.81 1801.35 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1804.566 1804.934 1804.59 1804.88 Yes . 1804.88 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1805.174 1812.618 1805.19 1812.25 Okay . So we uh agreed upon uh n uh well , not u unanimously or how you call it , but Yeah . 1806.2 1809.05 1811.18 1812.25 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1809.301 1814.202 1809.33 1814.15 It this a real uh young young and dynamic uh uh styles . 1814.15 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1809.56 1810.317 1809.61 1810.317 Well , yeah , the 1809.87 1809.96 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1811.135 1813.016 1811.16 1813.016 Three to one . That's 1812.43 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1813.923 1823.71 1813.97 1823.39 The materials you uh mentioned in your your personal preferences were all were quite okay . O o only only the last point your no titanium's not not out of question , I guess . 1818.88 1822.99 1823.39 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1815.451 1816.644 1815.451 1816.57 Yes . 1816.57 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1818.867 1822.489 1818.89 1822.489 And tita uh titanium , is uh is is it a no ? Is 1820.37 1822.24 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1818.88 1820.631 1818.92 1820.631 Yes , 1820.28 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1823.106 1824.129 1823.19 1824.03 But also w - TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1823.206 1825.286 1823.23 1825.25 It's just like that , th this titanium . 1824.0 1825.25 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1826.182 1829.052 1826.2 1828.97 Yes , b bu but when we use s soft 1826.7 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1827.542 1837.366 1827.56 1837.24 But is it possible to use both the the plastic and so uh soft things and t p titanium , as well ? Makes it in a homogeneous uh design . 1833.38 1834.68 1837.24 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1829.8 1830.118 1829.82 1830.118 mm - TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1833.75 1834.134 1833.81 1834.08 Sure . 1834.08 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1834.672 1835.304 1834.72 1835.12 Mm . 1835.12 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1835.285 1837.248 1835.34 1837.15 No , not all , not all of them . 1835.69 1836.31 1837.15 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1837.478 1844.966 1837.5 1844.93 But it it then it uh you can't throw it it . It will uh make a huge noise or break other stuff 1840.03 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1845.61 1851.318 1845.67 1851.28 when you throw with uh titanium with your remote control . No uh , 1850.85 1851.28 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1845.685 1850.742 1845.685 1850.26 It will it will break other stuff w when it's plastic , as well . 1849.74 1850.26 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1852.118 1852.85 1852.118 1852.85 Yeah . 1852.57 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1852.313 1858.16 1852.36 1858.16 titanium is a bit uh it's a bit harder . But also on the colours , the young 1855.96 1857.13 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1852.762 1853.67 1852.81 1853.5 Yeah , that's true . 1853.0 1853.5 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1853.974 1855.686 1853.99 1855.65 No , but uh uh , you should ma Yeah . 1854.11 1854.43 1855.65 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1857.526 1863.958 1857.55 1863.92 Okay , think of the possibilities and make it in completely titanium . Well would it be more trendy ? More chic ? 1857.72 1861.27 1863.28 1863.92 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1865.501 1867.114 1865.56 1866.98 Yeah , I think it I think it does . 1865.69 1866.98 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1866.118 1870.566 1866.14 1870.53 Uh , I think titanium nowadays is way more often used than plastic . 1866.27 1870.53 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1871.254 1877.91 1871.27 1877.91 Yes , but a titanium remote control , when you're uh watching T_V_ uh or your hands are a little bit sweaty , and the 1871.43 1873.8 1877.31 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1871.638 1872.717 1871.77 1872.54 In trendy things . 1872.54 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1875.96 1876.45 1876.01 1876.29 Yeah , o 1876.19 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1877.702 1882.109 1877.83 1882.109 On the other hand , if you want to make fruit fruity stuff with uh 1878.56 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1879.011 1879.51 1879.08 1879.45 Yeah . 1879.45 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1880.222 1883.103 1880.25 1883.103 It's cold in the winter . 1882.99 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1881.237 1883.546 1881.38 1883.546 Yes . 1883.22 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1881.522 1893.642 1881.76 1893.642 Yeah , but I I really like the idea of the the the plastic and the big kind of thing . But the question is i then it's , you know , is is it fits in our s philosophy to make it uh sturdy and simple and uh , know , like uh 1881.99 1885.49 1886.93 1887.3 1892.73 1892.86 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1885.209 1885.791 1885.32 1885.69 Yeah . 1885.69 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1887.659 1888.955 1887.7 1888.87 Yeah , that's true , that's true . 1887.87 1888.25 1888.87 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1894.15 1896.265 1894.17 1896.18 Sports and gaming . Define . 1895.61 1896.18 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1895.398 1908.291 1895.52 1908.24 When you make it titanium , it becomes more like some kind of gadget you actually don't need . And when it's big and plastic , it's like some fun stuff you can always have around . It's always fun to have something big and plastic around . 1896.69 1900.54 1902.7 1905.72 1908.24 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1907.491 1908.29 1907.61 1908.19 Yes . Yeah . 1908.0 1908.19 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1906.444 1913.991 1907.88 1913.88 You have that uh M_P_ three player of Nike , I saw . Isn't that titanium with a little bit of rubber ? 1910.06 1911.76 1913.88 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1914.246 1917.046 1914.27 1916.98 Yes , it's w but it is uh plastic . 1914.49 1916.98 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1915.254 1915.67 1915.27 1915.67 Isn't it - TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1917.702 1920.07 1917.72 1920.03 Is plastic ? Well , it's titanium looking . 1918.78 1918.88 1920.03 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1920.239 1922.825 1920.29 1922.825 Yes , w we can do that on the on the 1920.72 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1920.599 1921.056 1920.66 1920.86 What ? 1920.86 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1921.666 1930.646 1921.77 1930.61 Yeah , he is . Here he is . Uh , the I don't know if you know the M_P_ three player of Nike . 'Kay , uh that that's very uh with rubber , so it's very 1921.99 1922.29 1922.92 1923.03 1926.42 1926.7 1929.72 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1926.789 1928.12 1926.86 1927.84 Oh , yeah . Okay , yeah . 1927.08 1927.3 1927.56 1927.84 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1928.961 1930.691 1928.961 1930.57 Yeah , that's beautiful . 1929.92 1930.57 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1929.213 1930.477 1929.35 1930.28 Yeah , I see . 1929.89 1930.28 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1931.35 1935.468 1931.37 1935.468 We can make this as a style too . Uh , this is uh just a 1933.15 1933.67 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1931.374 1932.422 1931.5 1932.422 Yeah , but but but 1931.61 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1932.151 1932.6 1932.2 1932.49 rough . 1932.49 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1934.435 1936.15 1934.55 1936.15 Oh , maybe th maybe this is an 1934.67 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1934.337 1943.808 1934.62 1943.808 Yeah , I th I think that's difficult , because uh that's different material , and then you gotta have like uh uh uh two material lines of of of 1934.97 1936.41 1938.97 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1942.481 1945.75 1942.56 1945.67 No , we c we can make it from the same kind of plastic . 1942.8 1945.67 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1946.598 1953.318 1946.69 1953.28 Yeah , if it's just a colour uh which you uh which you change then , I guess it's it's nice to have one of these . 1946.91 1951.26 1953.28 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1954.441 1955.168 1954.51 1955.168 Uh - TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1954.477 1955.185 1954.56 1955.185 Uh - TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1954.55 1964.295 1954.58 1964.22 No , I do like the idea of maybe a t titanium kind type of body w and then with s plastic colouration around it . You know , like the the soft stuff , but I don't know if it's possible . 1954.7 1961.6 1961.9 1962.94 1964.22 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1961.672 1962.196 1961.76 1961.96 Yeah . 1961.96 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1964.95 1968.086 1964.97 1968.086 I don't have the information . Uh , I I didn't got it 1966.39 1966.72 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1968.438 1975.291 1968.46 1975.13 But you can't make the plastic give uh the ti titanium look . But make it just like shiny . Maybe we should uh shou 1972.24 1974.2 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1971.668 1972.433 1971.668 1972.36 True . 1972.36 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1971.654 1972.118 1971.67 1972.08 Yes . 1972.08 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1972.357 1972.848 1972.49 1972.73 Mm-hmm . 1972.73 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1973.123 1983.008 1973.18 1983.008 Yeah yeah , true . Yeah , maybe that's good idea , yeah . But if you want to la uh yeah , last longer than two weeks or something like that , you can maybe 1973.77 1975.07 1975.38 1976.43 1977.46 1979.16 1982.29 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1974.199 1975.911 1974.31 1975.79 Like the M_P_ three player . 1975.79 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 1980.726 1981.14 1980.75 1981.1 Yeah . 1981.1 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1981.907 1982.414 1981.95 1982.35 And uh and - TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1984.166 1988.664 1984.19 1988.46 maybe we sh should we t I don't know if we should talk about uh , how how much time have we got left ? 1986.77 1988.46 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1987.538 1989.286 1987.62 1989.25 Uh , in a lot of other uh 1987.72 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 1989.238 1990.315 1989.31 1990.315 I don't know . What time does 1989.65 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 1989.974 1990.806 1989.99 1990.71 Forty minutes . 1990.71 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 1991.094 2012.358 1991.11 2012.358 in a lot of other product uh categories like uh even in b in bags industry . Uh , they began with uh t typical uh leather bags , but then they became stylish , with all all si all sort of colours , and w kind of fon of uh of fronts , like we can use on the telephone and it 1997.4 1997.91 2001.83 2003.69 2006.46 2010.36 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2006.49 2006.822 2006.56 2006.76 Yeah . 2006.76 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2009.686 2010.198 2009.71 2010.15 Okay . 2010.15 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 2013.382 2020.51 2013.4 2020.51 Like Eastpack uh began a revolution with it with all this uh kind of bags and and colours and and - TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2019.286 2021.334 2019.286 2021.3 You putting in different colours . 2021.3 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 2021.734 2028.79 2021.75 2028.75 Yes , and and styles . They have uh also uh a kind of uh um 2022.13 2023.68 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2022.887 2023.446 2023.0 2023.41 Okay . 2023.41 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 2030.054 2032.182 2030.07 2032.182 uh roses on it , a and uh 2031.4 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2031.414 2032.838 2031.54 2032.8 Uh yeah , yeah . 2032.6 2032.8 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2032.015 2039.764 2032.07 2039.55 Okay . Yeah , but w yeah . Well , it is . It's a possibility . But , let's think about the bas 2032.86 2033.0 2036.25 2036.49 2036.82 2037.92 2038.13 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 2038.786 2048.358 2038.91 2048.32 Then we can always uh use the same design for a greater resemblance , but with new uh with new colours , new yes . 2044.0 2046.63 2048.32 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2044.803 2045.252 2044.9 2045.22 Yes . 2045.22 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2046.926 2048.622 2046.98 2048.49 New prints on it . Yep . 2048.3 2048.49 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2047.59 2075.318 2047.75 2075.26 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . But wha th our basic idea y I mean , you gonna we're probably gonna have like two type of materials , like the d d b the plastic uh enclosure and then the the pads that surround it . And and pro and lights . We have to incorporate the lights too . But , uh do w gonna gonna are we going to give it a two-tone colour look , like the the plastic mould is in in one colour and the s the cushion pads around it are in another colour ? Is that the idea ? Is that a good idea ? 2048.45 2049.03 2051.25 2054.8 2059.07 2060.18 2062.12 2062.3 2066.36 2073.77 2074.45 2075.26 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2076.16 2079.503 2076.21 2079.503 How do you mean ? Th th the uh base in a in another 2076.66 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 2077.672 2078.57 2077.82 2078.32 The rubber . 2078.32 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2078.036 2086.577 2078.24 2086.32 How many colours are we how many colours are we gonna we're uh uh f uh f Only five minutes left , by the way . How many colours are we gonna give it ? Like two-tone colour ? T 2082.89 2083.66 2085.06 2086.21 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2083.27 2083.542 2083.29 2083.51 Yes . 2083.51 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 2085.27 2094.816 2085.36 2094.5 There there are three uh components three components type . You have the buttons , the the case uh itself , and the rubber and th 2089.18 2090.47 2093.35 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 2086.23 2088.23 2086.25 2088.19 Yeah . Uh no , not too much I think . 2086.62 2087.1 2088.19 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2090.982 2092.085 2091.04 2091.83 How the buttons yeah . 2091.83 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2092.477 2100.156 2092.66 2100.03 I think maybe the case itself should be in one colour and then the rubber of the buttons , and the cushions as well should be in another colour . 2097.42 2100.03 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 2097.969 2098.585 2098.04 2098.51 Yes . 2098.51 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 2099.67 2107.414 2099.69 2107.414 Or you just make uh one colour , uh maybe with a a z a kind of like a big wave or something like uh 2102.16 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2100.143 2100.502 2100.21 2100.39 Yeah . 2100.39 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2107.958 2114.553 2107.98 2114.45 Okay , but not more than Well , yeah , it's No . Maybe we should talk about it on a l in a later meeting . 2108.17 2109.72 2109.98 2111.85 2114.45 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 2108.469 2113.263 2108.49 2113.17 In in another colour . Not more than two colours I think . It's a g a little bit too flashy . 2109.86 2111.14 2113.17 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2111.075 2112.375 2111.13 2112.27 No , definitely not . 2111.32 2112.27 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2113.42 2114.518 2113.49 2114.48 Yes , definitely . 2113.95 2114.48 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 2113.526 2119.606 2113.55 2119.606 Yeah , or or when you use the buttons as black , it you can use two colours as well uh 2113.87 2116.65 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2119.009 2124.992 2119.1 2124.95 Okay . But we have to uh think of some other uh important things . Uh oh yeah , the the functionalities of the the buttons . 2119.77 2122.57 2123.0 2124.95 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 2124.051 2128.899 2124.1 2128.72 The funct yeah , I was I was thinking about th the st do we still want a joystick idea . 2124.7 2128.72 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2128.646 2129.193 2128.68 2129.11 No . 2129.11 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2129.423 2131.377 2129.5 2131.23 No , I think that's too vulnerable . 2129.67 2131.23 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 2131.174 2131.558 2131.19 2131.52 Yeah . 2131.52 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2131.553 2138.928 2131.64 2138.81 I think this is okay , the so we have the basic . Then we have the numbers . We have the power button . We have we have a teletext button . 2132.61 2134.2 2135.35 2136.96 2138.81 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 2137.478 2140.347 2137.5 2140.347 The volume , teletext and 2139.21 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2139.868 2144.916 2139.91 2144.68 And maybe want to access a a menu or something . Most T_V_s have a menu . 2143.45 2144.68 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2143.198 2146.534 2143.23 2146.48 Yeah , but that's that's I was thinking that's gotta be on the television . 2143.38 2146.48 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2147.078 2151.337 2147.1 2151.337 Yeah , but I think you ha I really need a menu button . That's just i the only button only 2147.41 2149.75 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 2147.451 2148.864 2147.58 2148.79 Yeah yeah yeah yeah , b 2148.76 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 2150.366 2155.264 2150.4 2155.14 Yeah , but wha what kind of menu ? Is uh isn't that different from every television ? 2150.53 2152.56 2155.14 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2152.227 2153.033 2152.29 2153.033 You know , I 2152.66 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2155.062 2161.063 2155.062 2161.063 No , I think most T_V_s have an uh a menu nowadays to access the uh uh screen settings . And so 2155.68 2160.63 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2156.349 2158.561 2156.44 2158.561 Mm . Yeah , if it's c if 2157.33 2157.64 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2160.634 2166.138 2160.72 2166.138 Yeah , I think it's okay to to add a menu button for uh and if the T_V_ doesn't have a menu , then 2160.82 2165.61 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2163.552 2167.686 2163.78 2167.53 But that that covers all the all the other settings . It covers everything then . 2166.37 2167.53 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 2167.638 2171.142 2167.68 2171.142 But then you have to put uh up and down and uh left and right - TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2167.778 2168.252 2167.82 2168.0 Yeah . 2168.0 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2170.506 2174.202 2170.57 2174.04 Yeah , you can put that on the two eight four and six or whatever . 2170.73 2174.04 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2170.638 2172.077 2170.79 2172.077 No , you can use the 2170.94 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2173.366 2200.47 2173.43 2200.35 And you al can also use the normal skip buttons for that . Th in that way we have like only the numbers , the power button , skip and volume , and then uh uh ten uh rem uh yeah , mute . A teletext and a menu , and then then i that's it . It's all we need . Okay , uh another stuf some stuff about the the the design of the docking station . Something important about a s uh , no , uh which sh uh should remind us of the remote itself , I guess . 2176.19 2178.98 2180.15 2181.6 2184.26 2184.92 2186.15 2187.07 2189.99 2190.57 2195.9 2196.95 2197.15 2200.03 2200.35 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 2174.596 2175.303 2174.69 2175.24 Okay . 2175.24 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2176.404 2177.318 2176.66 2177.23 Mm , yeah . 2176.98 2177.23 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2182.908 2185.744 2183.01 2185.71 A mute and a teletext and a menu . 2185.71 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 2184.067 2184.807 2184.19 2184.51 Mute . 2184.51 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2186.545 2187.277 2186.67 2187.21 That's all . 2187.21 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 2188.773 2189.174 2188.79 2189.14 Yeah . 2189.14 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2188.758 2189.106 2188.8 2188.94 Hmm . 2188.94 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2189.975 2191.578 2190.08 2191.5 Great . Yeah . 2190.75 2191.5 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 2191.032 2193.427 2191.14 2193.427 Okay , that's not mu not much functions . So 2191.36 2192.88 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2201.062 2205.861 2201.08 2205.74 Yeah , definitely . Are we gonna do something with the uh spongy thing there ? 2201.3 2202.58 2205.74 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2201.784 2203.929 2201.82 2203.929 Uh , in one colour . Just use 2202.04 2203.23 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2206.134 2221.03 2206.28 2221.03 I think the spongy thing already um comes forward in the in the in the cushions , pads and things on the s uh side . And we will make it spongy and and uh and uh well , the fruity thing is just the shape should be fru i did I think this is kind of fruity , you know . Just round shapes with uh 2210.92 2212.75 2215.21 2219.24 2219.45 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 2206.753 2207.312 2206.82 2207.312 Uh - TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2211.526 2213.432 2211.55 2213.16 Yeah , that's true , that's true . 2212.12 2212.74 2213.16 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2220.927 2226.405 2220.96 2226.33 Yeah , it's kinda fruity , and with th with catchy colours uh uh w 2221.27 2222.12 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2222.115 2245.03 2222.115 2244.96 Yeah , but we're gonna have to we really have to think I think colours is very important , because it has to be flashy , but and but it d it doesn't have to be annoying , that when you uh , know , some things is just over the top , and when you have it on your table for more than two weeks , you it just gets annoying , because it's so big and flashy . Uh , it has to be some level of subtlety , but we have to still have to think of how we manage to uh 2225.04 2228.1 2229.91 2231.85 2232.78 2232.9 2234.44 2236.45 2237.66 2239.0 2239.41 2241.79 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2234.727 2235.847 2234.81 2235.63 Yeah , definitely . 2235.07 2235.63 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2246.03 2246.822 2246.08 2246.66 to get to that . 2246.66 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2246.169 2246.601 2246.21 2246.46 Yeah . 2246.46 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2248.278 2250.118 2248.31 2250.07 Okay . Guess we're through then . 2249.22 2250.07 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2248.819 2249.343 2249.02 2249.28 Okay . 2249.28 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2251.014 2251.67 2251.03 2251.6 I guess so . 2251.6 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 2250.85 2251.582 2251.07 2251.48 Okay . 2251.48 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2251.862 2261.657 2251.88 2261.657 But we I think also we just so we have to do something with colour but also , I I think we have to keep the dark colour thing in mind . I think that's uh adds to the too much colour maybe m um 2255.15 2257.89 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2258.019 2258.486 2258.04 2258.45 Yes . 2258.45 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 2258.408 2258.974 2258.45 2258.77 Yeah . 2258.77 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 2261.286 2267.304 2261.31 2267.304 Too much colour , i it uh when you got it in a living room , it's too much maybe . It has to be 2261.82 2263.87 2266.34 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2264.726 2273.862 2264.75 2273.83 But our des design experts will uh work that out . Okay , well I think the meeting will be over within a minute . So we will wrap up . 2268.57 2269.16 2272.78 2273.83 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2265.477 2266.175 2265.55 2266.12 Yea yeah . 2266.12 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2268.581 2269.08 2268.73 2268.98 Yep . 2268.98 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 2269.145 2269.661 2269.18 2269.41 Yeah . 2269.41 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2272.847 2273.762 2272.87 2273.71 Something like that . 2273.71 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2274.982 2277.062 2275.0 2277.01 Or is there anything we'd like to discuss ? 2277.01 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2276.899 2277.797 2277.14 2277.74 I guess not . 2277.74 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2277.453 2277.826 2277.54 2277.79 That's right . 2277.79 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2278.983 2279.574 2279.06 2279.36 Okay . 2279.36 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2279.029 2279.703 2279.06 2279.65 Do you , guys ? 2279.31 2279.65 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 2279.878 2280.278 2279.9 2280.23 No . 2280.23 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2281.158 2281.478 2281.19 2281.43 No ? 2281.43 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2281.846 2282.391 2281.91 2282.25 Okay . 2282.25 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2283.987 2294.227 2284.08 2294.09 Well , you will read the minutes uh in the you can find them in the pro probably . Yeah uh no , for su for sure because I'm will now type them out . 2284.81 2290.57 2291.57 2294.09 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2287.763 2288.956 2287.82 2288.86 In the shared folder . 2288.86 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 2287.895 2289.018 2288.12 2288.86 Oh , okay , yeah . 2288.18 2288.61 2288.86 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 2295.59 2296.758 2295.62 2296.72 What are we going to do now ? 2296.72 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2296.998 2298.044 2297.02 2297.92 Uh , y yeah . 2297.58 2297.92 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2297.449 2298.938 2297.5 2298.9 You'll see in you email , I guess . 2298.53 2298.9 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 2298.441 2309.831 2298.5 2309.831 Yeah . I hope so . And the other thing is that you don't have kind of prototype or something like that . You see a kinda prototype you can a little bit more uh 2301.19 2302.21 2306.06 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2299.249 2300.28 2299.27 2300.28 I think uh - TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2299.718 2300.87 2299.76 2300.77 Yeah , I don't know . I don't know . 2299.89 2300.35 2300.77 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 2308.294 2318.518 2308.31 2318.518 I will make one in the next uh twenty minutes . 2318.47 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 2310.822 2313.362 2310.89 2313.362 Yeah . 2313.25 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2311.442 2314.246 2311.442 2314.14 Construct one , yeah . 2313.79 2314.14 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2314.294 2317.397 2314.46 2317.397 But toilet paper roll and uh - TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 2314.37 2317.606 2314.48 2317.606 With you laptop ? Yeah . 2316.3 2317.11 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2319.254 2319.75 2319.28 2319.7 Okay . 2319.7 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 2318.95 2320.307 2319.36 2320.26 Oh my God . 2320.26 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2319.919 2322.598 2319.98 2322.48 Alright , shall we get back to work ? Great . 2320.28 2322.3 2322.48 TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2321.382 2325.43 2321.4 2325.43 Yep . I was waiting for the l last message , but 2322.6 2324.71 TS3008c B MTD031UID 1 2323.118 2324.881 2323.18 2324.78 Well you are . We're not . 2324.45 2324.78 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2324.134 2324.658 2324.15 2324.51 Yeah . 2324.51 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2325.431 2326.687 2325.431 2326.57 Bastard . 2326.57 TS3008c C MTD030ID 2 2326.326 2327.302 2326.35 2327.18 Back to the pen . 2327.18 TS3008c D MTD032ME 3 2327.894 2329.094 2327.91 2329.094 You lazy - TS3008c A MTD029PM 0 2328.079 2328.919 2328.21 2328.61 Mm yeah . 2328.61 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 75.462 79.046 75.56 79.01 Okay , welcome to the detailed design meeting . 76.1 79.01 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 83.67 96.646 83.69 96.58 Again , I'm gonna take minutes . Oh , we're gonna have a prototype presentation first . Uh , who's gonna give the prototype presentation ? You two guys ? Okay . Go ahead . 84.43 86.92 87.11 90.76 91.3 93.96 94.77 95.96 96.58 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 94.678 95.101 94.74 94.93 Yes . 94.93 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 97.814 100.926 97.814 100.926 . 100.926 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 99.65 100.799 99.65 100.799 . 100.799 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 102.406 103.334 102.406 103.23 coffee . 103.23 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 125.062 130.134 125.08 130.1 'Kay , we've made a prototype . Um , we've got uh 125.53 127.48 129.02 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 131.206 144.102 131.206 144.04 uh our aspects from the last meeting . Uh , especially we looked at the form , material and the colour . Um , we've uh drawn here the p prototype . The logo is uh 134.88 135.18 137.22 138.99 139.85 142.88 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 145.734 146.502 145.76 146.45 is uh - TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 147.574 153.798 147.574 153.76 is pretty uh obvious to see on the on the remote control , but 153.56 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 154.998 159.814 155.02 159.77 it is necessary when you want to build your uh company f to a level higher . 159.77 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 162.694 163.206 162.71 163.17 Um , 163.17 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 164.374 171.046 164.374 171.046 our interface elements , there are shown in the in the drawing . Maybe you can uh point them uh 165.76 169.33 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 171.866 173.133 171.99 172.84 The functions . 172.84 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 171.622 183.446 172.1 183.4 Uh , well the uh all the functions are discussed uh I think the most of the functions are uh uh obvious . Uh , it's a little bit . Uh , power button . 172.2 181.01 181.36 182.24 182.68 183.4 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 184.87 188.438 184.89 188.37 Uh then the the the nine uh channels . 188.37 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 189.494 192.63 189.57 192.56 Uh the volume uh - TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 193.734 206.654 193.76 206.59 uh at the side , and the other side is the programmes . And then we had uh just uh two buttons , we place them in the middle , uh the menu , and for the teletext I thought that was th 194.81 197.44 200.48 201.61 203.29 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 205.439 210.607 205.52 210.17 Oh no , the the the mute button misses now . Do y do you did we want to have a m mute button ? 206.06 208.01 210.17 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 206.02 207.064 206.1 207.064 Alright , I 206.43 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 207.92 209.209 207.97 209.14 Oh , the mute button . 208.36 209.14 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 208.144 208.703 208.33 208.53 Yeah . 208.53 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 208.639 211.855 208.72 211.78 But uh that It's uh here then , in the middle . 211.17 211.78 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 210.09 210.697 210.11 210.66 Yeah . 210.66 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 211.734 217.462 211.75 217.41 Alright , and uh you gotta point out which is the volume um uh button and which is the programme button . 212.11 217.41 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 211.731 212.253 211.88 212.2 Huh . 212.2 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 215.659 216.616 215.68 216.55 Yes , um 216.11 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 217.734 218.941 217.75 218.62 we've disc - TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 217.926 221.606 217.926 221.42 Well , yeah mo uh mo Yeah , well most of them are right-handed . 218.32 219.57 221.42 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 222.473 225.318 222.52 225.318 Yeah , but you you gotta make it clear on the on 222.67 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 222.518 223.74 222.54 223.6 Most of the users - TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 225.153 231.126 225.25 231.0 Yes , y there there will be a p a little a little P_ on that and a little uh yeah . 225.55 231.0 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 225.718 228.998 225.74 228.998 Yeah well , I don't have time in uh anymore on the 226.6 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 229.174 231.039 229.19 230.82 Yeah , and a and a triangle on that . 229.56 230.82 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 229.987 233.238 230.01 233.2 Oh yeah , just progr programme above , I think . 230.35 232.86 233.2 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 232.262 235.35 232.28 235.32 Yes . Next to that I kinda miss a zero actually . 232.84 235.32 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 237.222 247.515 237.222 247.45 Wait , there's was one thing I wanted to ask . Uh , there are different ways for remote controls to uh do uh like 240.6 242.88 243.26 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 248.598 253.99 248.62 253.96 uh d I call it teens and twenties . Uh , y th th th the two numbers . 251.25 251.65 253.96 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 252.278 252.721 252.3 252.69 Yes . 252.69 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 253.16 257.542 253.42 257.46 All n no , that's um kinda dependent on the television . 254.28 257.46 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 254.885 256.582 254.98 256.4 Yeah , true , yeah . 255.63 256.21 256.4 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 255.164 257.334 255.23 257.3 It's a television . Yes . 256.93 257.3 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 258.246 262.857 258.27 262.857 Yeah , but do we have do we need extra buttons , for example some uh some have to 258.41 261.04 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 258.245 258.877 258.31 258.877 Uh - TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 261.125 262.056 261.33 262.056 I think - TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 261.281 262.985 261.34 262.8 Uh I think so . 262.8 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 262.116 271.6 262.19 271.37 Yes , yes , you have you have a lot of standard buttons that has to be uh on it , uh th with the one and a double uh uh yes . 262.71 262.98 266.48 271.37 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 266.82 268.704 266.84 268.704 Yeah , I think you should add 267.0 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 268.432 269.271 268.54 269.07 Zero ? 269.07 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 269.634 271.807 269.73 271.6 A cross , or whatever . Yeah , line . 270.52 270.98 271.3 271.6 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 270.587 271.76 270.63 271.68 May maybe here ? 271.68 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 270.609 281.327 270.7 281.26 Yeah , but you don't you don't actually need them , becau b l a lot of remote controls work that y when y that you when you fir you push the one first , then you have a couple of seconds No , I don't think so . 270.84 272.88 277.77 280.41 281.26 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 276.595 277.127 276.62 277.07 Yeah . 277.07 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 277.839 278.828 277.86 278.69 And then a second . 278.69 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 278.486 280.102 278.51 280.06 No , that's dependent on the television . 278.62 280.06 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 281.19 284.95 281.21 284.95 Yes , you have televisions , then you have to , you know , you have to uh press 281.5 282.62 283.37 283.59 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 281.703 282.694 281.74 282.58 I do know so . 282.58 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 283.222 284.744 283.35 284.52 Is it depending on television ? 284.52 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 284.354 295.627 284.45 295.46 Nah , I don't think so really , because you have a I know some remote controls that don't have these buttons , but you still can , know , obviously you can still select the twenty uh a number in the twenty or in the ten . 284.6 285.6 289.76 291.06 291.45 295.46 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 284.6 285.01 284.71 284.81 Yeah . 284.81 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 292.328 295.546 292.37 295.546 Yes , but but a lot uh 293.81 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 294.959 303.533 295.04 303.533 Yes , but uh uh no uh remote control nowadays are um they come with the television . Or actually , the other way around . But 295.29 301.22 301.97 302.8 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 302.838 320.006 302.86 319.88 No , I think uh I really think it's n because you can when when you put a button on it with like one and uh then a dash , it's the same thing as when you just push the one , because it i it first gives you the functionality of that that uh separate button you also had to uh apply . 303.07 310.93 313.88 319.88 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 310.39 310.823 310.41 310.7 Yeah . 310.7 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 314.934 315.645 314.95 315.53 Yes , but 315.27 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 319.094 320.536 319.11 320.536 Yeah , well but su If 319.25 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 320.041 322.968 320.11 322.968 some televisions don't accept uh that that - TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 322.082 325.59 322.17 325.56 Yeah , because that's i it's for television . It's exact the same thing . 322.43 324.32 325.56 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 325.622 327.465 325.64 327.35 No , no , but s 325.94 326.19 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 326.214 330.463 326.23 330.17 No no no . So some television respond differently . Look , if uh i i 326.65 328.81 329.42 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 329.633 348.605 329.76 348.47 No , listen listen . When you push the button , the remote control gives a signal . I in th in the first place it gives a signal which it would also send when you put a separate button on it . The one with dash , that signal gi and when y whe when you don't push another button on the remote control within five seconds , then the remote control gives a signal for channel one . 329.9 330.77 331.98 333.64 340.14 340.91 345.84 348.47 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 334.638 335.17 334.8 335.04 Yes . 335.04 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 339.414 340.671 339.43 340.63 Yes , that's true . 339.98 340.63 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 346.623 347.08 346.7 346.98 Yeah . 346.98 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 348.79 349.094 348.81 349.04 True . 349.04 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 349.27 349.75 349.29 349.75 No - TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 350.486 352.23 350.51 352.19 I think it works that way , really . 351.87 352.19 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 351.59 363.171 351.61 363.11 No , it it it works uh if you haven't got uh a special button for it , uh if you push a one , then on your television there will appear a one and a a line , which is an empty space . 351.79 356.13 357.58 361.73 363.11 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 361.274 365.481 361.34 365.37 Yeah , but it's exact the same that w would appear when you put a separate button push a separate button . 361.51 365.37 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 362.735 374.234 362.84 373.91 Yes , but some some old televisions uh you have to uh click on uh a special button , uh then you go to a a next level , you can push two buttons . 363.12 370.19 372.49 373.91 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 373.557 378.812 373.61 378.76 Yeah , but you don't underst uh you don't understand my point . I think it's exact the same thing when y 373.8 376.22 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 373.847 375.3 373.96 375.12 Yep . True . 374.88 375.12 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 376.271 376.838 376.38 376.838 You want - TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 378.134 380.022 378.15 379.99 Yes , but some television don't support it . 378.44 379.99 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 379.86 408.098 379.96 408.098 No , but then they would a would also support that button , because it's the same thing . Listen , with that that's that special but button you're talking about , eh ? That's just a signal to recei ju they send a t signal to the v tv T_V_ that they have to put a one in on your screen and a dash , which you can pu so you can uh still put another number on it . When you don't have that separate button , and you push y one , it's exactly the same thing . Do y you the remote control gives that same signal as it would give when you only had 380.24 382.7 385.05 385.36 388.05 388.46 396.11 399.35 401.43 402.27 403.46 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 380.278 381.129 380.33 380.95 But the ex - TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 405.958 412.121 405.99 411.81 No , s some some televisions need the input first uh and and you c 406.15 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 406.338 407.535 406.46 407.535 No , a remote can 406.68 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 410.054 410.39 410.07 410.34 Yeah . 410.34 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 410.345 413.184 410.48 413.184 Yes , so they need no , they need 410.87 412.58 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 411.004 418.07 411.19 417.92 But you give the input . You push the one . That's the same thing as the button with the one and it yes it it is . Think about it . 412.66 413.55 417.39 417.92 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 415.376 419.826 415.41 419.826 No , that's not true . It's simply not true . It's simply not true . Uh 415.62 416.4 418.38 419.47 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 418.486 427.199 418.61 427.199 Yeah . You uh you can wai when you push the one you can show on the telly a one and just a dash , and then wait uh two uh seconds or something 419.39 424.55 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 418.629 420.474 418.73 420.474 No , but uh 419.02 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 423.843 430.221 424.08 430.18 And it's the same thing what happens and a g remote control gives another signal after five seconds that is just one . 430.18 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 429.682 438.261 429.9 438.2 No , remote control doesn't give signal after five seconds . Remote control is a stupid thing . If you push a button , it sends it immediately to to the television . 430.35 432.88 434.88 435.75 438.2 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 435.981 452.07 436.09 451.92 Yeah , that's true . Yeah , but I m uh but it's I I know for sure that some televisions that w th th the remote control supplied , only ha has the c these buttons with a one and a dash and a two and a dash , but when you use a bu a n remote control that doesn't sport these buttons , it still works . But okay , we we'll impl 436.27 437.57 437.74 442.91 446.58 450.07 450.77 451.15 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 441.591 442.165 441.72 442.165 Yeah , it 441.86 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 450.739 453.11 450.96 453.02 No , definitely not . Definitely not . 451.24 452.33 453.02 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 452.022 454.422 452.04 454.36 We'll discuss them in the usability lab . 454.36 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 454.95 456.614 454.99 456.57 No , we'll apply them then for now . 455.15 456.57 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 455.19 459.805 455.43 459.72 Uh eva evaluation . I don't know uh I don't know if if it's it's necessary . 456.86 459.72 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 458.401 466.155 458.45 466.155 Yeah , app just apply them next to the zero , the one and the two . Yeah , I think so . Yeah , for now , if we don't know for sure whether 458.62 461.01 462.0 462.16 463.6 463.73 464.2 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 461.46 461.9 461.49 461.78 Yeah ? 461.78 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 465.14 466.422 465.14 466.33 Okay . 466.33 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 468.947 475.002 469.01 474.69 And the button for the SCART uh audio video uh external input . 474.69 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 469.044 469.416 469.09 469.37 Yes . 469.37 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 471.59 472.183 471.72 471.9 Ach . 471.9 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 474.022 495.512 474.14 495.39 Yeah but okay . What I said about uh the remote control sending another signal , that that might not be true , but I still think i it it all T_V_s in some ways support it , I don't know . I think it's more c is m maybe we don't uh we both don't really understand how it i how it really works , but I think there's more to in than wha than what you just said . 476.81 479.54 480.63 484.68 485.87 491.8 495.39 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 474.582 478.957 474.63 478.77 Uh , you can access that uh via zero , and then minus , I guess . Yeah . 474.79 476.75 477.49 478.57 478.77 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 479.774 480.281 479.97 480.12 Yeah . 480.12 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 485.51 486.234 485.54 486.08 No , no . 485.83 486.08 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 494.422 498.505 494.44 498.47 Uh , remote control sends one signal at one button uh press . 494.61 498.47 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 498.114 503.033 498.16 502.87 I do think that uh m T_V_s support mur multiple kind of remote controls . M 502.82 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 500.006 500.631 500.07 500.631 Uh , some 500.11 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 502.076 505.878 502.27 505.878 N some televisions when when you want to go further than uh ten - TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 505.926 509.968 505.95 509.84 Th won't work wi with uh to have that special button . 509.84 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 507.121 519.974 507.18 519.9 No , you have to you have to uh give the television uh two or more signals . When you uh press one button , you give one signal . And the older televisions need more signals to go a level higher . 507.4 512.39 514.52 516.24 519.9 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 521.654 522.022 521.69 522.022 But - TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 522.31 522.742 522.42 522.61 Yep . 522.61 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 522.838 524.455 522.86 523.85 Okay , well we'll see . 523.11 523.85 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 523.694 528.022 523.74 527.99 When you make the technology that that it will uh give more signals , 527.99 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 529.446 530.486 529.47 530.486 it could work , but 530.28 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 532.23 537.75 532.31 537.64 Just a basic idea of of of the most uh most y - TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 539.862 544.406 539.88 544.37 most common uh and simple uh operations on the remote . 544.37 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 543.622 546.31 543.68 546.28 Okay . I kinda miss the docking station . 544.71 546.28 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 546.918 548.742 546.94 548.742 Yeah . 548.61 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 547.894 551.926 547.91 551.926 Yes . It's here on the 549.14 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 553.289 568.257 553.289 568.13 Well it yeah , uh there's nothing I think it's pretty basic , the the there's no fu there's one there's one button , that's wha there's there's there's one function and that's n the one button when you want to find it . 556.67 559.95 563.51 568.13 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 557.794 558.877 557.86 558.877 We came uh - TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 561.109 561.633 561.15 561.57 Yes . 561.57 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 561.624 563.478 561.83 563.44 No nothing really trendy about it . 563.44 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 566.418 589.018 566.53 588.91 But maybe we can maybe we can make the docking station uh uh a bit standard for for uh the other products we sell , because Real Real Reaction sells more products than only remote controls . So maybe we can uh use the docking station , for example , uh M_P_ three players or or uh 576.32 583.1 585.02 586.03 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 566.884 567.649 567.11 567.45 The button . 567.45 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 582.99 583.556 583.09 583.28 Yep . 583.28 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 590.342 591.824 590.36 591.78 uh hearing devices . 591.78 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 591.179 596.413 591.21 596.37 I think that's very difficult , because of different shapes of uh uh devices . 592.85 596.37 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 595.318 609.805 595.34 609.805 Yes , but when you put that same volt voltages on it , you can put uh when the when the when uh o the the the lowest part of it , when it's o the same as the other products , you can put it all on the same uh 595.52 598.74 605.2 607.64 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 599.863 600.611 599.863 600.57 Yeah , of course . 600.16 600.57 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 605.156 605.703 605.26 605.5 Mm-hmm . 605.5 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 610.71 613.926 610.73 613.89 Well it it got it it has got to fit into the shape , of course . 613.36 613.89 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 614.23 615.526 614.25 615.526 Yes , but we can make 614.71 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 615.19 625.512 615.35 625.34 The technology and the voltage can be the same . That's uh that's true . But uh i if you all make the m having a bottom like this , then they all fit . 617.41 618.76 624.21 625.34 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 623.814 627.254 624.05 627.22 No , we can make uh make the most lowest part all the same . 624.21 627.22 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 627.958 630.454 628.07 630.454 Yeah , that's true , but uh 628.24 628.62 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 630.47 638.214 630.57 638.09 When when the the recharger has a has a bit what points out , we can place all on top of it . 636.09 638.09 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 640.486 641.66 640.51 641.61 Yes , but uh I I g 640.8 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 640.847 643.008 640.87 643.008 Just have to be big enough for the biggest - TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 642.408 649.002 642.43 649.002 Shouldn't it fall then ? It isn't going to fall down ? That's a bit uh yeah , I think 643.7 646.29 648.38 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 648.262 652.241 648.42 652.241 No , when you make it large enough no it it will not . But then it's a little bit 648.6 651.21 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 651.434 661.458 651.49 661.458 No , but if if like this , I'll I'll point it out , if you got uh a a a base a base like this , I won't draw it really . If you got a base which is uh as big as this 651.61 653.12 654.04 657.34 658.53 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 655.478 657.142 655.62 656.89 But it's just an idea . 656.89 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 660.222 665.622 660.4 665.59 But it's flat it's flat as as this , so we can p make all the products as flat as this . 662.98 665.59 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 664.293 665.008 664.46 664.9 You can . 664.9 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 665.99 669.542 666.01 669.542 Yeah sure , but if you got if you got a tiny player , it can 666.36 668.45 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 665.994 667.734 666.09 667.69 But i i i it's backwards . 667.69 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 670.07 673.331 670.13 673.331 Yes , but when you make uh uh a bit of big 670.39 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 671.329 677.383 671.4 677.07 But it's it's backwards . It's leaning . It's leaning backwards , I think , in the in the docking station . 672.63 673.77 674.73 675.42 677.07 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 675.371 685.333 675.42 685.333 Yeah . Uh , wha what you could do if you uh from the bottom oh , right , help . Uh , you could make like a hole in it , you know , of uh in in the 676.23 676.3 680.01 680.69 681.76 681.81 683.32 683.71 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 679.975 681.214 680.02 681.214 That's text . 680.98 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 681.174 681.51 681.19 681.51 But - TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 683.686 688.717 683.71 688.49 Yes , little holer littler Uh , little products go deeper in it . 684.51 687.0 688.49 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 687.046 689.591 687.18 689.4 Yeah . That i that is possible , yep . 688.06 689.25 689.4 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 688.991 700.803 689.02 700.6 Well let's ha let's talk about the docking station later , because uh maybe we have we have to uh consider the docking station anyway , because we have some uh cost issues still to come . But we have to look n I don't know . 691.26 695.03 699.09 700.6 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 692.063 693.326 692.16 693.25 Yeah , sure , you're right . 692.44 692.74 693.25 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 695.848 698.342 695.94 698.29 Yes . And uh uh 696.87 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 698.234 698.726 698.34 698.61 Oh . 698.61 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 699.223 717.557 699.27 717.49 the f the look and feel would be great on this uh remote control , because uh you always uh will uh pick up the remote control in the in the smallest uh area . Then your uh left thumb of uh your right thumb is uh near the programme uh button , 702.82 711.57 717.49 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 702.529 703.714 702.61 703.65 I don't like the colours . 703.65 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 708.927 709.412 709.02 709.3 Mm-hmm . 709.3 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 711.078 711.334 711.1 711.3 Yeah . 711.3 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 718.598 724.87 718.63 724.84 which is the most common used uh function , and all the other buttons are available for your uh thumb . 721.33 724.84 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 725.942 728.374 725.96 728.32 So it's it's it's really good design . 728.32 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 726.278 726.783 726.31 726.69 Okay . 726.69 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 728.806 730.486 728.86 730.36 Yeah . Alright . 730.02 730.36 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 729.382 730.941 729.41 730.88 Yes . That's it ? 730.49 730.88 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 731.83 744.23 731.85 744.14 Yes , uh on the side uh there will be a strip of rubber , and in the middle uh there is uh a hard uh a hard material , a bit hard plastic with a light uh behind it . 732.15 736.19 741.1 744.14 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 738.718 739.448 738.76 739.4 The light . 739.4 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 744.326 746.382 744.35 746.35 Okay . And other lights ? 745.45 746.35 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 745.976 748.271 746.07 748.16 I think added lights are gonna be a problem too . 748.16 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 747.078 753.654 747.1 753.54 Yes , we can make also n neon lights on it , or or the buttons that can make uh light on it . 747.32 749.81 753.54 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 750.454 751.664 750.47 751.58 No , o on the on the front . 750.73 751.58 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 752.854 755.51 752.87 755.46 Yeah , okay . Maybe the uh the logo . 753.1 754.03 755.46 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 756.31 756.79 756.33 756.76 Yes . 756.76 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 757.574 758.214 757.574 758.18 lights ? 758.18 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 757.846 763.19 757.9 763.19 But , it will also uh uh use batteries , and do we want to 758.42 761.18 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 758.685 759.583 758.8 759.44 Yeah , why not ? 759.02 759.44 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 762.472 763.063 762.56 763.0 Of course . 763.0 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 763.126 766.486 763.16 766.45 Okay . For now , uh this is uh is good enough . 764.53 764.96 766.45 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 763.275 763.734 763.48 763.67 Mm . 763.67 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 767.622 768.102 767.73 768.05 Okay . 768.05 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 768.086 769.67 768.11 769.67 Yeah , what was uh on the 768.42 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 770.518 773.734 770.54 773.734 The all the aspects of the interface buttons were uh - TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 774.87 798.568 774.89 798.568 Okay , but in the oh yeah , the colour , because we're gonna use uh one colour for the the plastic enclosure and one colour for the rubber , isn't it ? Then we're gonna do the buttons in the i are we're gonna have rubber buttons . And they're be a they'll be in the same colour as the rubber on the side . Okay . And I think we should use a a darker colour for the um plastic , and maybe some more m brighter and flashy stuff 775.11 775.66 776.56 782.07 782.58 786.71 790.62 791.08 795.4 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 782.122 782.614 782.18 782.58 Yes . 782.58 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 786.708 787.289 786.81 787.16 Yes . 787.16 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 787.025 787.582 787.07 787.46 Yeah . 787.46 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 787.231 789.148 787.33 788.94 Uh , in the same colour as the side . 787.56 788.94 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 789.958 792.388 789.98 792.26 Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . 790.81 791.94 792.26 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 790.042 792.147 790.07 791.97 Yeah , I think I think that'll be good . 790.22 791.97 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 797.817 806.29 797.88 806.29 Yes , maybe we can use on the on the lights on the side we can use uh uh multiple uh lights , so it will uh 798.14 804.32 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 798.913 799.396 799.02 799.33 Yes . 799.33 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 806.07 826.828 806.09 826.6 Yeah , we'll talk about the lights later . 'Cause I also don yeah , it's depends on the costs and such . But uh , and we have to agree uh upon the exact colours , but may I dunno if that's important , but we'll talk about that later . Okay , for now this is this is okay . Um , the next p y you gonna give a presentation too ? Uh , I have to see the agenda . 806.25 807.84 809.23 811.78 812.56 815.43 816.82 818.26 818.49 820.51 822.45 824.57 824.79 826.6 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 807.336 807.798 807.4 807.76 Yes . 807.76 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 807.901 808.311 807.98 808.09 Yep . 808.09 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 811.51 811.782 811.53 811.69 Yeah . 811.69 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 818.674 819.389 818.89 819.31 We will . 819.31 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 826.131 829.341 826.2 829.21 Well , uh yeah , I I'm gonna do something right there , yeah . 826.39 826.83 829.04 829.21 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 826.153 826.76 826.22 826.55 No . 826.55 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 830.214 831.094 830.23 831.05 Detail design . 831.05 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 831.59 837.477 831.62 837.477 We gotta do that on the right the most right-most screen , because the leftmost 835.26 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 836.502 838.694 836.53 838.58 Evaluation criteria . 838.58 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 839.126 840.086 839.15 840.05 Yep , that's me . 839.67 840.05 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 841.638 842.119 841.66 842.03 Okay . 842.03 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 842.918 843.494 842.94 843.43 Okay . 843.43 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 843.443 849.606 843.61 849.606 Alright . I will be needing that image , so leave it please . Um 845.27 847.08 848.88 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 853.43 854.102 853.47 854.03 Go away . 854.03 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 858.623 879.078 858.68 878.78 Right , we're gonna evaluate that design according to a few points . Um , we g the four of us are going to do that um together . I wanna have a colour over here , come on . Right , the remote is not ugly , a bit weird sentence , but 858.92 866.28 867.6 871.83 873.7 875.24 875.57 877.34 878.56 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 880.246 902.198 880.27 902.15 the positive things has to be on the left , so I said not ugly instead of ugly . Uh , what would you say , we we gotta give points to uh to all of these to evaluate uh that design , and please forget the drawing skills of these guys . The remote control is not ugly . How do you feel ? 882.21 885.87 887.59 888.46 893.85 898.38 901.47 902.15 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 898.134 898.889 898.21 898.83 Okay . 898.83 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 903.222 906.454 903.24 906.454 Yeah , I think four maybe would be appropriate , because it's 903.39 905.78 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 907.51 919.698 907.53 919.698 Yeah , maybe it really depends on taste . Uh , I mean it's kind of , our design . It's so if maybe a lot of people find it really ugly , you know , o other people find it really cool . I don't know or uh I don't know how you 907.68 909.4 909.57 911.49 912.23 915.57 915.97 918.24 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 912.582 912.966 912.6 912.93 Yes . 912.93 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 913.414 913.824 913.46 913.63 Yeah . 913.63 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 917.542 918.524 917.56 918.37 Background colour . 918.37 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 920.358 921.358 920.38 921.29 How do you guys feel ? 921.29 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 920.377 933.894 920.43 933.894 I think I think the the fronts will give it a more uh uh uh less uglier uh side , because you can uh make it in your own yes , you can make it in your own uh 929.35 932.36 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 920.415 921.606 920.44 921.54 Casting . Yeah . 921.25 921.54 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 930.484 932.969 930.56 932.76 The different designs . Yes . 932.52 932.76 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 933.894 934.246 933.94 934.21 Yeah . 934.21 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 934.758 935.289 934.78 935.14 Okay . 935.14 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 934.97 938.346 935.04 938.26 more to your own personality or or house style . 938.26 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 937.686 945.019 937.71 944.93 Yeah , but we d we didn't we're we're not planning to use fronts , I believe . With a colour a co a colours . Oh , okay . 937.84 941.5 942.74 944.34 944.39 944.93 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 941.669 943.822 941.73 943.77 No , not not fronts , but different designs . 941.9 942.72 943.77 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 942.638 945.974 942.84 945.92 No , not fronts . Different designs . Different colours maybe , yeah . 942.99 943.72 944.67 945.76 945.92 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 943.878 944.361 943.96 944.33 Yes . 944.33 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 944.63 950.475 944.65 950.23 And that's still uh uh , yeah , is is uh is a little personal touch , I guess . What ? 946.82 947.22 949.1 950.09 950.23 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 948.064 948.646 948.09 948.646 Okay , but 948.3 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 949.702 952.774 949.79 952.774 Oh , maybe we should do three or something that w you know , our 949.93 952.38 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 952.838 955.782 952.86 955.72 Yeah , wha wha what would you uh guys uh think ? Personally . 953.01 955.17 955.72 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 954.093 955.008 954.18 954.94 Or forty . 954.94 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 954.575 954.991 954.62 954.93 Yeah . 954.93 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 957.302 957.816 957.32 957.78 Personally . 957.78 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 957.265 958.822 957.64 958.62 We can make it a one . 958.62 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 959.412 960.359 959.43 960.25 Yes , but what is it ? 959.66 960.25 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 962.566 964.823 962.59 964.68 I think two or three . 964.68 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 964.758 966.022 964.758 965.96 Guido ? 965.96 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 964.742 965.19 964.79 965.16 Mm yeah . 965.16 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 966.758 967.334 966.83 967.3 I agree . 967.3 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 967.942 968.55 967.96 968.52 Two or three . 968.52 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 968.758 973.046 968.78 972.99 Um , I uh I go for the positive . So I go for two . 969.94 972.22 972.99 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 969.894 970.438 969.91 970.438 I was - TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 974.054 976.139 974.1 976.07 I was thinking about three , so I guess 975.34 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 975.686 978.146 975.71 978.146 Uh , I was thinking about four , so I think three is uh 975.84 976.74 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 977.774 989.099 977.85 989.0 three is uh a bit uh oh , what am I doing ? I'll mark it . The remote control's uh uh that n makes uh zapping easy . 982.18 983.62 985.12 989.0 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 977.946 978.936 978.0 978.81 Okay , three . 978.36 978.81 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 989.142 989.558 989.16 989.43 Yeah . 989.43 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 989.734 992.504 989.76 992.504 Yeah well , let that let's make that a one . 990.07 992.42 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 990.322 990.756 990.34 990.72 Yes . 990.72 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 990.843 991.242 990.92 991.18 Two . 991.18 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 992.076 993.831 992.15 993.76 Yeah ? Antek , you agree ? 993.08 993.35 993.76 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 992.157 995.318 992.31 995.07 One . One . Okay yeah , I'll I'll agree . 992.9 993.91 994.32 995.07 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 992.931 993.601 993.14 993.54 Yes . 993.54 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 994.459 995.129 994.6 995.0 Yes . 995.0 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 995.526 996.996 995.55 996.96 Yeah . You're not Antek . 996.26 996.96 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 995.571 996.852 995.64 996.73 That's one thing for sure . 996.73 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 996.275 999.046 996.3 999.046 I'm the I'm the usability , so 997.55 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 997.862 1004.23 997.89 1004.18 I totally agree . The remote control the remote control's relevant buttons are prominently visible . 999.2 1004.18 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1004.502 1004.966 1004.53 1004.92 Yes . 1004.92 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1005.046 1005.414 1005.16 1005.38 Yeah . 1005.38 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1006.118 1010.022 1006.14 1009.92 Yeah , two or a one , I guess . It's something we really put work into . 1006.34 1007.07 1007.53 1009.92 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1006.594 1007.268 1006.68 1007.268 The - TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1009.942 1022.724 1009.97 1022.58 Yeah , I yeah . I would say a one because uh every button is uh uh relevant . And our oh yeah , it's a b yeah . Yeah ? Alright . That's a one ? You agree ? 1010.16 1011.61 1016.84 1017.7 1019.29 1019.84 1021.5 1022.09 1022.58 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1011.625 1012.982 1011.65 1012.95 It's all about the buttons . 1012.95 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1022.694 1023.014 1022.72 1022.96 Yeah . 1022.96 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1024.134 1030.693 1024.19 1030.693 The remote control hasn't got too much redundant or unneeded buttons . I think we totally succeeded there . Oh 1027.67 1030.23 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1028.768 1029.179 1028.84 1029.179 But - TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1029.072 1029.704 1029.18 1029.704 Well - TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1030.102 1034.356 1030.12 1034.03 Well maybe a two , because of the menu button or something . And telete 1031.07 1033.37 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1032.044 1033.757 1032.18 1033.55 Yeah , well menu Yeah , maybe . 1032.47 1033.29 1033.55 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1032.701 1034.073 1032.79 1033.75 Yeah , that's true . That's true . 1033.01 1033.47 1033.75 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1033.45 1040.646 1033.49 1040.646 Also , the the the buttons of the one , the two , the the digits , o they're used uh uh 1034.0 1036.11 1036.58 1038.3 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1036.806 1038.732 1036.83 1038.59 Yeah , we don't know if the uh they're necessary . 1037.09 1038.59 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1038.246 1040.991 1038.246 1040.93 the the yeah , m well , you d you've got a point . 1039.01 1039.7 1040.93 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1041.062 1041.862 1041.13 1041.81 I think a two . 1041.81 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1042.646 1044.626 1042.67 1044.57 Yeah , true . Yeah , I agree . 1042.99 1043.48 1044.12 1044.57 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1042.966 1044.744 1042.99 1044.5 Can yes , three , two . 1043.66 1044.19 1044.5 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1044.198 1046.758 1044.22 1046.758 Came a long way , but not we didn't not uh 1044.93 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1044.647 1045.512 1044.8 1045.4 Two or three ? 1045.4 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1046.854 1047.398 1046.91 1047.32 Mm two . 1047.32 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1048.23 1049.038 1048.25 1048.81 Two ? Antek . 1048.49 1048.81 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1048.438 1051.909 1048.46 1051.909 But you can't make a remote control without them , because 1051.26 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1051.078 1051.923 1051.1 1051.923 Because we got - TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1051.462 1054.251 1051.48 1054.251 Nay that that that's true , that's true . They're definitely needed . So 1052.51 1052.92 1053.97 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1053.781 1057.39 1053.85 1057.33 No , w w it can also always be more simplistic , but two is yeah . 1053.95 1056.28 1057.33 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1055.948 1056.952 1055.98 1056.83 we put it on a two ? 1056.83 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1057.35 1057.734 1057.37 1057.7 Yes . 1057.7 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1058.39 1060.87 1058.42 1060.76 The remote control has got a really trendy look . 1060.76 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1061.254 1063.35 1061.45 1063.27 Yes . A one . 1062.66 1063.27 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1064.662 1065.327 1064.79 1065.22 Maarten . 1065.22 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1064.838 1069.902 1064.94 1069.81 Yeah , uh a t I think a two . Yeah yeah , y i it's hard to say from this picture . 1065.16 1067.53 1067.96 1069.81 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1065.329 1066.011 1065.41 1065.93 Well . 1065.93 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1069.974 1070.502 1070.01 1070.35 Yeah . 1070.35 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1070.966 1074.87 1070.99 1074.81 We we've tried to make it uh the the best trendy look uh ever . 1074.81 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1073.586 1074.293 1073.71 1074.22 Yeah . 1074.22 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1075.398 1076.742 1075.51 1076.67 Ever , yeah . Guido . 1075.87 1076.35 1076.67 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1077.841 1079.313 1078.01 1079.313 But I do think it's more - TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1077.998 1081.715 1078.1 1081.65 Uh , I will I will make it a three , because uh yeah . I I th 1078.38 1079.69 1081.18 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1081.126 1083.91 1081.25 1083.86 But I do think that it's more trendy than beautiful . 1083.86 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1084.598 1086.213 1084.65 1085.83 Yeah , uh I agree . I agree . 1084.8 1085.6 1085.83 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1084.966 1085.453 1084.99 1085.4 Yes . 1085.4 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1085.542 1089.281 1085.542 1089.281 So so I think maybe it has to score higher uh on this than on the - TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1086.35 1088.106 1086.44 1087.86 Yeah . True , yeah . 1087.19 1087.54 1087.86 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1088.234 1096.432 1088.29 1096.32 I was planning to give it a two , uh where I give the not ugly uh oh , yeah , that's true . You agree on the two ? 1089.83 1093.33 1094.14 1095.48 1096.32 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1091.622 1092.422 1091.66 1092.37 A th a three . 1092.37 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1096.16 1096.694 1096.23 1096.55 Yeah . 1096.55 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1096.614 1097.067 1096.68 1097.03 Yes . 1097.03 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1096.822 1098.406 1096.86 1098.406 I i uh when you compare to the - TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1099.398 1104.466 1099.42 1104.43 Great . Remote control hasn't got too much redundant or unneeded buttons . 1100.54 1104.43 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1103.324 1107.766 1103.38 1107.766 Uh uh what's the difference with - TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1105.189 1106.898 1105.35 1106.82 Uh , I copied that one . 1105.4 1106.82 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1107.686 1110.646 1107.71 1110.646 Well , uh forget that . Um 1108.05 1110.0 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1109.046 1109.574 1109.07 1109.53 Okay . 1109.53 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1113.286 1118.182 1113.32 1118.03 Go away . Remote control has got innovative technology implanted . 1114.64 1118.03 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1118.102 1122.464 1118.13 1122.29 No . We're not well , maybe the the the on the side . 1119.32 1120.66 1122.29 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1118.47 1119.023 1118.49 1118.95 No . 1118.95 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1118.616 1119.142 1118.68 1119.1 No . 1119.1 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1120.23 1122.486 1120.26 1122.37 No , not L_C_D_ , so . 1121.01 1122.21 1122.37 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1122.982 1132.87 1123.08 1132.87 Yeah , but we uh you mean the rubber stuff ? Yeah , but we have t we have to talk about the lights uh . And I don't u also it's also really not innovative , it's more 1123.43 1126.91 1127.16 1130.03 1132.36 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1125.894 1126.614 1125.91 1126.51 Yeah , and the light . 1126.05 1126.51 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1126.899 1128.046 1126.94 1127.91 And the light maybe . 1127.91 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1127.702 1132.38 1127.72 1132.38 But that that's not innovative . Lights lights are 1130.29 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1128.846 1129.638 1129.02 1129.638 But - TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1129.975 1130.806 1130.12 1130.46 Well , I g 1130.36 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1132.95 1133.926 1132.97 1133.85 It's not seven ? 1133.85 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1134.566 1138.53 1134.6 1138.21 No , six . Or seven maybe , yeah . Or six . 1135.03 1135.69 1136.8 1137.96 1138.21 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1135.233 1136.164 1135.28 1136.06 Well , six . 1135.68 1136.06 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1136.834 1137.814 1136.85 1137.64 No , six . 1137.3 1137.64 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1137.862 1138.502 1137.88 1138.44 Six . 1138.44 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1138.054 1139.369 1138.07 1139.27 Why uh why not a seven ? 1139.27 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1138.818 1139.526 1138.84 1139.35 Six . 1139.35 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1139.446 1141.243 1139.47 1141.16 Yeah , mine is seven . 1140.16 1141.16 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1140.605 1145.227 1140.68 1145.227 Because we've tried to make it a little bit innovative , but it but it 1144.46 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1143.299 1143.823 1143.37 1143.73 Yeah . 1143.73 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1144.755 1145.286 1144.86 1145.17 How ? 1145.17 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1145.222 1147.486 1145.25 1147.486 Uh it's uh depends on the on the maybe - TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1146.865 1149.69 1146.9 1149.69 With the lights it it's it's kind of future - TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1149.622 1154.073 1149.65 1154.01 No , I think I think actually it's a seven maybe , but there's nothing innovative about it . 1149.85 1152.22 1154.01 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1149.628 1151.309 1149.77 1151.15 Yeah , you think the lights are innovative ? 1149.93 1151.15 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1153.712 1156.426 1153.8 1156.426 Well , it's n true . Uh , I agree , m but 1154.27 1155.02 1155.44 1155.86 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1156.198 1160.481 1156.22 1160.481 But still you can retrieve it when it's when it's gone , with the with 1159.2 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1159.405 1164.211 1159.45 1164.211 Innovative in generally or just f original for - TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1160.177 1160.661 1160.25 1160.661 I'll - TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1161.798 1164.051 1161.82 1164.051 Yeah , you you didn't draw the docking station . 1161.98 1163.6 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1163.718 1176.425 1163.86 1176.33 Yes . The docking station is a is a little bit innovative . It's a part of the remote . And with the speaker on the there's also a speaker . 1165.27 1168.9 1173.63 1176.33 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1164.534 1165.81 1164.58 1165.64 N no no , t . 1165.61 1165.64 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1164.86 1168.005 1165.01 1168.005 Yeah , it it's I think I think with its 1165.5 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1165.843 1167.73 1166.11 1167.7 A docking station is innova - TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1166.758 1174.534 1166.81 1174.534 Yeah , I mean the dock station , but but uh , I think the the docking station , it's gonna be a kind of a problem . But 1167.02 1167.82 1168.42 1170.81 1174.21 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1169.53 1170.777 1169.81 1170.68 I think more m - TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1172.934 1176.443 1172.95 1176.443 Okay . 1176.14 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1174.186 1175.572 1174.47 1175.47 Uh that that's n - TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1175.782 1182.013 1175.8 1181.82 Well , let's leave it open for uh for us later to see what , because we have to reevaluate anyway . Well I i yeah . No ? 1175.92 1178.35 1180.43 1181.53 1181.82 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1180.829 1181.361 1180.88 1181.26 Okay . 1181.26 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1181.554 1185.239 1181.63 1185.239 No uh , well , the agenda says evaluate now , so I think we 1181.96 1182.34 1183.89 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1184.982 1188.656 1185.0 1188.656 Okay , for now it's a six or a seven uh , sev six maybe , because 1185.24 1187.26 1188.19 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1186.07 1187.209 1186.14 1187.17 It's it's a six . 1187.17 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1187.623 1188.033 1187.64 1187.97 Six . 1187.97 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1188.262 1189.826 1188.28 1189.826 But the retrieval or the - TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1188.392 1190.986 1188.61 1190.89 That m f Yeah , for the retrieval function . 1189.76 1190.89 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1189.528 1192.742 1189.61 1192.67 Yeah , but I don't I don't know if it's very inno yeah . 1190.01 1192.67 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1192.359 1195.142 1192.38 1195.1 Yeah . I think that's very innovative for a remote control . 1192.71 1195.1 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1194.109 1197.046 1194.27 1197.01 Yes , how would you innovate a remote control more ? 1195.05 1197.01 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1194.28 1194.918 1194.39 1194.88 Yeah , v 1194.83 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1198.342 1216.95 1198.36 1216.95 Yeah , more through uh like function T_V_ functionalities and no no , you know what I mean . You have must be innovative technology for remote controls , but more in how you control stuff , not in how you find your yeah . Yeah , it's that's that's think about it la later on and uh 1198.63 1203.51 1205.27 1208.34 1210.54 1212.48 1212.68 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1201.911 1203.158 1202.0 1202.9 To put it on your head . 1202.9 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1208.86 1209.641 1208.91 1209.641 Yeah sure , but 1209.33 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1212.456 1215.109 1212.48 1215.109 But I d I definitely don't think it's a five , but 1214.85 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1217.014 1218.844 1217.05 1218.73 Remote control is easy to use . 1218.73 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1218.338 1221.574 1218.43 1221.54 Yeah , as a a one or a two ma uh at least . 1218.68 1221.54 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1219.771 1220.278 1219.8 1220.24 Yes . 1220.24 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1220.633 1221.558 1220.77 1221.51 Yeah , a two . 1220.93 1221.51 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1221.574 1221.926 1221.6 1221.84 Yes . 1221.84 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1222.214 1223.206 1222.28 1223.08 I think a two . Yeah ? 1222.94 1223.08 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1223.27 1223.894 1223.29 1223.86 Yeah , it's good . 1223.52 1223.86 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1225.974 1226.67 1225.99 1226.55 More two . 1226.55 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1225.981 1230.038 1226.06 1229.67 Come on . The remote control hasn't got uh . 1226.78 1229.67 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1229.27 1232.694 1229.29 1232.694 No , I would have seen that one before . Oh , you skipped one uh 1229.49 1231.59 1231.75 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1232.806 1234.502 1232.87 1234.38 I've just filled uh - TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1234.007 1234.739 1234.16 1234.67 Uh , here . 1234.45 1234.67 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1235.702 1236.358 1235.73 1236.29 Go away . 1236.29 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1236.486 1238.906 1236.51 1238.906 You like the buttons . 1238.61 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1237.846 1241.795 1238.03 1241.76 I found twelve questions so much , but it still is ten . 1240.75 1241.76 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1241.246 1243.142 1241.34 1243.142 Remote control will be bought by - TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1243.126 1245.798 1243.15 1245.73 It will be bought by people under the age of forty . 1245.73 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1245.801 1246.341 1245.92 1246.31 Yes . 1246.31 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1245.974 1247.11 1245.99 1247.07 Yeah . Definitely . 1246.52 1247.07 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1246.149 1246.789 1246.22 1246.67 Yes . 1246.67 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1248.15 1252.203 1248.17 1252.09 In in and comparing with uh people of th of the age above ? 1252.09 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1248.138 1248.735 1248.22 1248.735 Well - TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1251.222 1253.958 1251.24 1253.91 No no no . No , just if they if they buy it . 1252.04 1252.23 1253.91 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1251.776 1254.828 1251.95 1254.7 Uh , just in general . Yeah , a two . 1252.11 1253.94 1254.28 1254.7 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1254.358 1256.236 1254.39 1256.236 We don't know . But 1255.83 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1255.766 1257.589 1255.83 1257.45 Yeah , but I think I think two . 1255.99 1257.45 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1255.846 1256.806 1255.99 1256.77 Yeah , what do you think ? 1256.13 1256.77 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1256.774 1259.878 1256.9 1259.83 Yeah , I think two , yeah . I agree . Two . 1257.75 1258.4 1258.93 1259.6 1259.83 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1259.212 1259.654 1259.33 1259.58 Antek ? 1259.58 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1260.262 1264.038 1260.28 1263.95 Yes , two , but only in c when you compare it with with elderly . 1260.87 1261.18 1263.95 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1264.326 1268.694 1264.35 1268.66 Uh , that is not the question . It's just w it will be bought by people under forty . 1264.49 1266.28 1268.66 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1264.499 1265.814 1264.61 1265.77 No , that's no comparison . 1264.75 1265.77 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1270.123 1273.317 1270.16 1273.13 Yeah , you can yeah , you can be very picky about it . 1270.36 1270.96 1273.13 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1272.198 1273.882 1272.23 1273.78 And I don't mean two people . 1273.78 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1272.794 1274.134 1272.85 1274.06 This is just guessing . 1274.06 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1274.102 1276.392 1274.12 1276.28 Ah yeah , just make it we'll make it a two . 1274.46 1276.28 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1275.071 1276.186 1275.23 1276.12 Make it a two . 1276.12 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1275.249 1275.906 1275.43 1275.72 W w - TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1277.526 1280.006 1277.55 1279.92 When it succeeds , uh it can get a two , mu 1278.63 1279.82 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1280.854 1281.878 1280.87 1281.79 Right , the rem 1281.22 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1282.934 1288.209 1282.96 1288.11 The remote control has recognisable corporate image , colour , logo or slogan . 1286.47 1286.98 1288.11 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1284.31 1285.2 1284.42 1284.87 Oh no . 1284.87 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1286.603 1291.702 1286.92 1291.65 Yeah . Yeah , you have make an slogan is quite obvious . 1288.02 1288.27 1291.65 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1288.191 1289.59 1288.37 1289.54 We don't have the slogan though . 1289.54 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1292.006 1294.746 1292.1 1294.44 Oh , the slogan . Can we see the slogan ? 1292.27 1293.65 1294.44 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1293.174 1298.242 1293.2 1297.9 Oh the oh sorry , no , not not the slogan . Yeah , you can put that on the side if if we would like to . 1294.06 1294.22 1295.05 1295.26 1297.9 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1294.601 1295.723 1294.87 1295.56 The logo . 1295.56 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1295.116 1296.097 1295.18 1295.78 A logo . 1295.78 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1297.59 1298.918 1297.61 1298.88 Underneath it or something . 1298.88 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1297.715 1302.384 1297.77 1302.384 Yes , uh encrypted uh with 1298.36 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1300.912 1306.518 1301.04 1306.48 Yeah , and I will I th still think it's gonna be a two or a three . Maybe a three this time . 1301.3 1305.34 1306.48 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1301.797 1302.762 1301.85 1302.61 Are we gonna do that ? 1302.61 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1304.448 1305.831 1304.52 1305.77 A three . Three . 1305.39 1305.77 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1306.614 1307.318 1306.69 1307.26 Yeah , a three . 1306.96 1307.26 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1306.836 1307.268 1306.86 1307.23 Yes . 1307.23 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1307.574 1308.982 1307.61 1308.9 Three ? I agree . 1308.49 1308.9 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1310.438 1316.405 1310.46 1316.1 Because of the slogan Remote control's got a basic design intended uh for novice users . 1316.1 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1311.702 1312.424 1311.84 1312.424 And uh - TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1314.739 1316.452 1314.87 1316.41 Uh , it's a one or a two . 1315.18 1316.41 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1315.942 1316.95 1316.01 1316.89 Yeah , two . 1316.64 1316.89 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1317.558 1317.846 1317.58 1317.81 Yes . 1317.81 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1318.278 1320.589 1318.3 1320.53 Two ? Two . Alright . 1319.45 1320.2 1320.53 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1318.63 1319.439 1318.65 1319.36 Yeah , make it a two . 1318.83 1319.36 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1318.704 1319.319 1318.79 1319.02 Two . 1319.02 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1322.489 1336.294 1322.58 1336.26 We gotta add up the scores now to see our total average . Four , five , seven , nine . Forget that . Fifteen , seventeen , twenty one , twenty four , twenty six . 1327.11 1327.62 1328.44 1329.38 1330.49 1331.35 1331.91 1333.3 1334.77 1335.39 1336.26 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1337.286 1338.118 1337.31 1338.08 Twenty six . 1338.08 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1341.798 1343.263 1341.82 1343.22 It's a two point six . 1343.22 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1345.638 1353.558 1345.68 1353.51 It's not that bad . Yeah , and that's mostly the inno when we uh score higher on innovative technology , we would score two , 1347.14 1347.27 1352.38 1353.51 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1346.198 1347.537 1346.29 1347.18 Alright , we yeah . 1346.67 1347.18 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1354.166 1355.478 1354.19 1355.4 Yeah . True . 1355.17 1355.4 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1354.678 1359.862 1354.7 1359.8 which is uh quite a great score . Okay . Uh , this is was uh the evaluation ? 1356.61 1357.65 1357.82 1359.8 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1359.99 1361.854 1359.99 1361.854 This was my evaluation . So 1361.52 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1361.126 1364.933 1361.15 1364.933 Because I I still think that the most important part of this meeting still has - TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1363.398 1366.102 1363.44 1366.07 We did a pretty nice job until now . 1366.07 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1367.942 1368.369 1367.96 1368.29 Yeah . 1368.29 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1368.31 1370.23 1368.33 1370.23 Um , is this your 1369.61 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1370.886 1374.593 1370.91 1374.593 Is there something after this uh meeting ? Or 1374.31 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1371.107 1371.764 1371.22 1371.67 Whatever . 1371.67 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1374.102 1376.102 1374.12 1376.07 Well , I think we gotta fill out another questionnaire . 1374.23 1376.07 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1374.498 1375.703 1375.21 1375.58 No . 1375.58 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1376.758 1377.19 1376.79 1377.14 Okay . 1377.14 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1377.158 1377.958 1377.23 1377.91 Okay , yeah . 1377.58 1377.91 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1385.494 1386.87 1385.51 1386.87 Still opened or uh - TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1388.024 1388.49 1388.06 1388.2 Yeah . 1388.2 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1388.027 1388.526 1388.09 1388.45 Yeah . 1388.45 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1391.51 1393.366 1391.53 1393.31 Okay , finance . Because um 1391.75 1392.4 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1393.318 1396.015 1393.318 1395.93 Shoot . 1395.93 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1395.654 1397.622 1395.67 1397.46 I received uh a spreadsheet . 1397.46 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1395.758 1397.279 1395.97 1397.17 A five . A five . 1396.7 1397.17 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1399.158 1402.95 1399.21 1402.89 Yeah , but I uh actually don't need this presentation , I guess . Oh . 1399.36 1401.96 1402.76 1402.89 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1404.166 1404.806 1404.21 1404.76 Doesn't matter . 1404.76 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1406.038 1414.279 1406.06 1414.22 I'm gonna open the spreadsheet and we're gonna work this out together , because I didn't really fin uh I have a . 1409.37 1414.22 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1415.254 1416.166 1415.27 1416.11 Didn't really finish it . 1416.11 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1417.782 1421.702 1417.8 1421.64 Well , we uh We'll see . We'll stumble upon some problems . 1417.94 1418.84 1421.64 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1422.987 1423.959 1423.02 1423.87 We probably will . 1423.87 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1423.846 1426.747 1423.846 1426.67 I probably have already opened it here . 1426.67 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1431.814 1442.246 1431.814 1442.21 try it again . First of all , the mm all the docking station and costs and such are not included in this list . 1434.67 1435.51 1442.21 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1444.454 1477.782 1444.47 1477.67 But let's let's st start with beginning . We include one battery . I i uh I'll explain its Uh , the the components are listed over here . Uh , price is given . We um yeah , we we uh indicate the amount of components of the specif specific component , how much we need of them . And then uh , we'll uh calcula Don't watch the number yet . I don't know if it's filled in properly . Okay , we need one battery . One battery . I think one battery is enough . We don't need kinetic , solar cells , hand dynamo . A s okay , this this is a p first problem . Uh , I think 1446.12 1447.99 1449.26 1452.15 1452.22 1453.67 1455.22 1459.75 1461.31 1462.34 1464.32 1467.25 1467.47 1468.43 1468.98 1471.52 1472.43 1473.03 1474.54 1475.15 1476.9 1477.17 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1454.221 1455.111 1454.28 1455.02 The amount , yeah . 1454.84 1455.02 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1469.715 1470.123 1469.74 1470.09 Yes . 1470.09 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1479.046 1480.582 1479.07 1480.45 we should know how many - TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1481.67 1484.262 1481.69 1484.262 simple chips , regular chips 1483.18 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1483.204 1487.654 1483.28 1487.56 Uh it's it's one one chip , but but you have to choose one from it . 1485.7 1487.56 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1487.894 1488.438 1487.92 1488.36 Okay . 1488.36 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1489.686 1490.646 1489.71 1490.646 But - TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1490.079 1496.961 1490.14 1496.961 The simple chip is e enough I I think , but with the lights with the lights and the retrieval , it can be uh 1492.56 1495.9 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1493.158 1493.974 1493.18 1493.974 I don't know - TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1495.878 1497.718 1495.9 1497.718 Where did we find this information ? Was it 1497.31 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1497.107 1500.774 1497.19 1500.59 I haven't got an idea on on which we need to use , really . 1500.26 1500.59 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1500.303 1501.218 1500.43 1501.218 No , uh I 1500.67 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1500.694 1512.566 1500.71 1512.47 I think it was uh your job in the first uh meet Uh , f your first presentation to make this clear , but then you had some t time problems . But do you th you do you know what chip we need ? 1503.73 1508.36 1510.44 1512.47 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1500.756 1501.428 1500.85 1501.36 No . 1501.36 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1508.322 1510.559 1508.45 1510.559 Yes , my my my uh 1508.71 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1508.378 1508.825 1508.45 1508.63 Yeah . 1508.63 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1513.238 1529.954 1513.26 1529.87 The the email I got said uh simple chip , but when we put in the speaker and the retriever uh device , it will uh cost a a bit more , like I think the advanced chip maybe . 1516.73 1522.38 1524.86 1529.87 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1521.974 1522.327 1521.99 1522.25 Yeah . 1522.25 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1530.79 1536.278 1530.88 1536.11 And how do you know ? I mean , you got that email . Did it point out what to use them for ? 1531.62 1532.32 1533.77 1536.11 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1532.769 1540.435 1533.01 1540.3 Bec No , the they didn't know about a retriever or a speaker uh in it . 1535.27 1540.3 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1534.333 1536.411 1534.39 1536.24 Maybe you can uh look it up right now . 1536.24 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1538.546 1548.774 1538.61 1548.74 Okay , but okay . When we don't when we leave the uh retriever and such aside , what then it would be a simple chip . And with the retriever , it would be an advanced chip . 1538.83 1539.7 1543.7 1545.92 1547.4 1548.74 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1543.846 1545.291 1543.87 1545.08 Then it's a simple chip . 1545.08 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1549.462 1551.03 1549.48 1551.03 Yes , I I I s I 1549.87 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1549.465 1553.142 1549.61 1553.11 Alright , well , point out the advanced chip for now , I guess . 1549.96 1551.02 1552.72 1553.11 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1553.062 1564.388 1553.1 1564.29 Okay . Yeah , but it will it will it will be cause a lot of problems . The sample sensor sample speaker . What is it m is that the speaker we were t I don't know what it is . 1554.44 1554.67 1559.28 1561.47 1564.29 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1553.75 1556.671 1553.79 1556.58 That will be enough for future uh recommendations . 1556.58 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1564.806 1566.022 1564.94 1565.99 I don't know it uh either . 1565.99 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1566.006 1566.599 1566.03 1566.56 I don't know . 1566.56 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1571.434 1573.871 1571.48 1573.8 Okay , we went for the double-curved case 1571.75 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1575.126 1575.51 1575.15 1575.46 Yes . 1575.46 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1575.654 1576.774 1575.68 1576.74 made out of plastic - TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1578.278 1578.95 1578.3 1578.91 and rubber . 1578.91 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1580.246 1581.254 1580.27 1581.18 And with a special colour . 1581.18 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1582.294 1583.936 1582.31 1583.936 I guess that's what we were - TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1583.58 1585.783 1583.65 1585.62 Well , special colour . . 1584.07 1585.62 1585.62 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1585.078 1588.038 1585.1 1588.038 Yeah , I don't know about the special colour , but I think w uh 1585.38 1586.5 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1586.37 1589.462 1586.45 1589.43 Otherwise , you get uh a standard uh plastic colour . 1586.89 1589.43 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1586.746 1588.16 1586.85 1588.06 I don't know if it's very special . 1588.06 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1586.849 1587.814 1586.97 1587.814 I don't - TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1589.414 1591.4 1589.43 1591.29 Yeah , I think we uh we have special colours . 1589.71 1591.29 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1590.355 1590.979 1590.39 1590.87 Mm okay . 1590.87 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1590.87 1591.77 1590.89 1591.72 Standard rubber . 1591.72 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1591.766 1593.04 1591.88 1592.9 Alright , that's okay . 1592.38 1592.9 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1593.105 1601.184 1593.16 1601.15 Okay , then the push-button , I was just counting them . Uh , I think you have to indicate the amount of push-buttons we want to use , isn't it ? 1593.46 1594.19 1595.76 1595.87 1600.76 1601.15 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1593.235 1594.465 1593.26 1594.465 St - TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1600.981 1602.777 1601.04 1602.777 Whoa , it's a little 1601.84 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1602.006 1602.45 1602.03 1602.42 Yes . 1602.42 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1602.358 1614.886 1602.38 1614.85 Well that's bit of a problem , because I re but I really don't understand that , because I can imagine a remote control with far more push-buttons , and it wouldn't be possible according to this uh sheet . 1603.55 1606.23 1610.78 1614.85 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1603.68 1605.264 1603.68 1604.95 That's huge . 1604.95 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1612.829 1617.254 1613.05 1617.22 No . We have the simplest buttons . 1614.03 1617.22 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1615.153 1615.721 1615.35 1615.59 No . 1615.59 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1617.462 1624.07 1617.49 1624.07 No , it's only uh when you use push-buttons , it will cost that much . If you use a scroll-wheel 1617.81 1620.56 1622.74 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1617.806 1618.441 1617.97 1618.36 Yeah . 1618.36 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1622.15 1627.171 1622.17 1627.171 I don't think so , because it says amount . The the the yellow row is the amount of 1622.87 1625.17 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1623.073 1623.655 1623.32 1623.38 Ah . 1623.38 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1624.614 1625.494 1624.7 1625.494 Yeah , it wouldn't 1625.01 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1626.539 1630.598 1626.62 1630.56 Fill in the number of components you plan to use in the and the total cost I don't know . 1630.56 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1630.694 1634.742 1630.71 1634.71 Maybe it's the kind of push-buttons . You can have f four kind of push-buttons . 1632.6 1634.71 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1630.77 1631.218 1630.97 1631.08 I - TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1635.83 1637.566 1635.85 1637.566 Rubber . You can have uh 1636.48 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1635.733 1640.846 1635.87 1640.53 Uh , one til nine . Is that one or is that nine buttons ? 1635.9 1636.92 1640.53 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1639.638 1640.966 1639.66 1640.92 And I count them like this . 1640.92 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1642.086 1655.672 1642.36 1655.59 One two three uh four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve and thirteen . Because Oh , this is oh , this is one , okay . Twelve , okay , then it would be eighteen , because uh , I uh rated them as uh um 1648.05 1648.9 1649.44 1650.02 1650.34 1650.84 1651.16 1652.25 1652.51 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1645.806 1646.263 1645.89 1646.18 Yeah . 1646.18 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1656.678 1659.126 1656.7 1659.09 To n that's total of four buttons . 1659.09 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1657.046 1665.174 1657.08 1665.1 as uh uh uh separate buttons . Yes . And plus these two , f uh plus the mute button , and it's will be uh eighteen . 1659.41 1660.69 1661.78 1663.24 1665.1 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1657.921 1659.618 1657.96 1659.54 Different , yes . 1659.14 1659.54 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1660.832 1661.714 1660.92 1661.714 I think that - TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1665.821 1668.134 1665.88 1668.09 Eighteen . One two three four five , si 1666.69 1667.76 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1668.486 1671.132 1668.51 1671.03 Why is that so uh expensive . 1671.03 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1670.966 1674.534 1670.99 1674.43 Yeah , I don't understand . Y I do I don't get the point , because it's would be 1671.29 1672.02 1673.54 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1675.67 1679.302 1675.69 1679.27 s relatively so expensive , just these m small buttons . 1677.42 1679.27 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1680.166 1683.703 1680.19 1683.42 Is it cents , the the the fifty cents a button ? 1681.08 1683.42 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1682.483 1685.27 1682.56 1685.22 Fifty cents for one single stupid button . 1685.22 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1685.494 1687.936 1685.51 1687.936 So , whe when you so then it 1685.84 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1685.864 1686.854 1685.9 1686.7 No way . 1686.7 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1687.328 1689.18 1687.39 1689.1 Well , okay , well well let's make it just one . 1687.51 1687.7 1689.1 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1688.907 1692.067 1688.97 1692.067 It's eighty percent of the price of the of the amount of - TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1691.11 1695.942 1691.13 1695.82 Here , now it's now it's already s shall we just 1691.37 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1692.966 1694.278 1692.99 1694.24 Yeah , exactly . Yeah . 1693.24 1694.05 1694.24 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1697.142 1702.728 1697.18 1702.728 give our own interpretation to , because else we would really have a problem . It would be impossible to make it 1699.01 1700.88 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1702.175 1708.469 1702.175 1708.38 I can't I I I couldn't understand it if it was fifty cents per uh uh per button . Really . 1708.05 1708.38 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1702.754 1703.718 1702.82 1703.718 It's way - TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1707.574 1712.825 1707.61 1712.825 When you have the same amount of button , you have to put in wi in your carton . Board . And then throw it 1709.06 1710.93 1711.95 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1711.334 1718.454 1711.44 1718.35 And and less buttons than this isn't possible . This is the most simple yeah , it is possible , but I've never seen one before . 1714.13 1715.53 1716.4 1718.35 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1711.846 1713.193 1711.94 1713.193 Yeah , yeah , 1712.27 1712.43 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1714.176 1715.398 1714.28 1715.36 No , no no . 1714.86 1715.36 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1716.934 1717.509 1716.96 1717.33 But whe - TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1718.646 1727.242 1718.78 1727.242 I've seen one uh one remote control with only the pu yeah , only with uh page up , page down and volume , but but 1722.65 1724.49 1726.05 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1719.181 1720.088 1719.25 1719.91 No , really . 1719.52 1719.91 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1720.71 1723.595 1720.78 1723.51 Yeah , without the numbers . That's possible . 1721.08 1722.81 1723.51 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1724.979 1725.819 1725.0 1725.819 Yeah , uh 1725.45 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1725.093 1726.703 1725.17 1726.53 Yeah , we could skip the numbers . 1725.34 1726.53 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1726.55 1729.528 1726.57 1729.29 Yeah , but I d I wouldn't want to own that . Really . 1726.69 1728.99 1729.29 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1729.045 1730.849 1729.18 1730.75 That's still four . 1730.75 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1729.504 1734.717 1729.59 1734.63 Uh , it's it's still for little children . They can handle that remote control , but but it isn't fo 1729.77 1731.53 1733.49 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1732.855 1733.412 1732.92 1733.31 Yeah . 1733.31 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1733.454 1736.582 1733.53 1736.55 Then uh , teletext would also be im impossible . 1734.0 1736.55 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1736.022 1739.188 1736.04 1739.188 Yes , it's for it's li uh it's just for a little 1736.5 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1737.665 1739.942 1737.71 1739.9 Yeah , that's no option , that's no option . 1738.15 1739.0 1739.9 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1738.325 1759.291 1738.58 1759.24 Okay , we'll we'll just okay . But then still , when we there's no room for a docking station or something . Tha w Le let's see th we have uh oh yeah , button supplements . We'll give the buttons special colour . We'll give them a special form . Uh , I think we should mark the special form thing , because it this will be some special forms incorporated in these big buttons , I guess . 1738.86 1740.73 1742.01 1745.58 1747.33 1748.27 1750.22 1751.4 1751.56 1754.09 1758.76 1759.24 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1759.054 1760.902 1759.054 1760.75 A special colour , why a special colour ? 1759.91 1760.75 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1761.238 1774.637 1761.32 1774.637 Because the buttons will be uh d will be matching colour between the buttons and the rubber surroundings . I think that's the what they mean by a special colour . I think all the special colour things have to be marked over here , because that's what we were planning to do , making it 1766.68 1769.44 1772.46 1774.03 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1763.801 1765.862 1763.94 1765.69 But wha what s what special ? 1765.69 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1766.46 1767.183 1766.58 1767.183 Otherwise , it 1767.01 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1766.86 1767.916 1767.01 1767.81 Okay , yeah . 1767.56 1767.81 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1768.79 1770.192 1768.81 1770.192 Otherwise it would be the - TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1768.785 1770.974 1768.82 1770.67 I don't think the special form is really true . 1770.67 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1768.835 1770.028 1768.89 1769.5 Uh , yeah . 1769.15 1769.5 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1775.654 1777.997 1775.68 1777.8 Special form also , it says . 1777.46 1777.8 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1777.574 1782.022 1777.59 1781.98 Yeah , special material r also , because i has rubber . And the buttons have to be rubber . 1777.84 1779.35 1780.7 1781.98 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1777.856 1778.452 1777.95 1778.38 Is it ? 1778.38 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1783.19 1784.742 1783.23 1784.71 What is the normal material ? 1784.71 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1785.931 1787.014 1785.97 1786.88 Yeah , I dunno . 1786.41 1786.88 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1786.11 1786.85 1786.24 1786.71 Plastic . 1786.71 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1786.966 1788.408 1786.966 1788.33 Sh yeah . 1788.33 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1787.939 1788.79 1787.96 1788.76 Plastic , I think . 1788.37 1788.76 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1789.35 1791.488 1789.38 1791.45 Classic ? Oh , plastic . 1790.66 1790.8 1791.45 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1790.086 1790.623 1790.11 1790.58 Plastic . 1790.58 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1790.262 1791.16 1790.28 1790.91 Plastic . 1790.91 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1791.318 1795.126 1791.67 1795.126 'Kay , but the problem now is that the 1791.98 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1796.358 1804.294 1796.38 1804.26 There's no such thing as a docking station in this list , but we can all imagine that it would be impossible to make a docking station for thirty cents . 1798.63 1804.26 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1801.372 1801.798 1801.43 1801.75 Yeah . 1801.75 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1804.566 1823.677 1804.566 1823.51 But we can uh sell the remote control and uh sell the docking station yes . And and but we don't have to tell it , but what we can say of can um almost make it impossible to buy a remote control without the docking station . 1812.77 1815.38 1823.51 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1811.149 1812.006 1811.24 1811.91 Separately . 1811.91 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1811.93 1813.285 1811.95 1813.06 Se no no no . 1813.06 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1822.629 1837.07 1822.629 1836.95 Yeah , yeah . Yeah , but I do like the idea , but we yeah . It uh but it then the docking station isn't relevant for this project anymore , but we can but then you still have to use we have to find out what chip we u need . 1824.81 1825.72 1825.86 1826.98 1828.1 1831.43 1836.95 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1831.539 1832.061 1831.71 1831.89 No . 1831.89 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1832.358 1834.947 1832.38 1834.91 No , but you otherwise you can't retrieve it . 1832.57 1834.91 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1838.294 1844.247 1838.31 1843.93 Yeah , I really don't get it . I mean if it's a simple chip , then we suddenly got two Euros and thirty cents . 1838.47 1839.34 1841.19 1843.93 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1841.046 1845.894 1841.23 1845.82 I think we can agree on this . I I think the special colour thing has to be uh marked . 1842.4 1845.82 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1846.918 1851.298 1846.94 1851.298 'Cause I think we uh Yeah , I think that's what what what they uh mean 1848.72 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1847.609 1848.802 1847.67 1848.66 Yeah , yep . 1848.49 1848.66 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1850.502 1854.694 1850.52 1854.59 But for two Euros and thirty cents , we uh we don't get a docking station . 1852.49 1854.59 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1851.216 1852.263 1851.37 1851.93 I think so , too . 1851.76 1851.93 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1854.678 1855.43 1854.73 1855.36 Oh , I don't know . 1854.87 1855.36 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1856.054 1864.28 1856.07 1864.21 But can we find out uh about uh this chips ? Because when we don't need a d a docking station , then probably we also have only we also need a simple chip . 1858.4 1860.59 1864.21 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1865.078 1868.134 1865.15 1868.134 And then we can get a docking station . 1867.72 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1866.726 1876.246 1866.75 1876.246 And maybe then we can do something extra . Oh , n uh oh , still oh , it's gonna get more expensive with . Two . Then we have some money left . We can put then 1869.65 1869.87 1870.23 1870.63 1872.9 1873.81 1875.13 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1869.478 1870.48 1869.5 1870.48 For - TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1876.262 1877.398 1876.28 1877.29 For two Euros . 1877.29 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1877.366 1879.75 1877.4 1879.72 We can put a scroll-wheel on it or something . 1879.72 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1880.007 1892.343 1880.007 1892.2 Uh why ? I mean i i if you if it would cost two Euros , that had a total a total thing , it would be nice too , I mean uh we're not gonna add uh a trip to Hawaii to it . 1882.8 1886.05 1887.68 1888.55 1892.2 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1880.877 1884.652 1880.99 1884.52 Yeah , well who knows . Or a little bit of tin titanium . 1881.14 1882.82 1884.52 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1890.326 1892.171 1890.5 1892.171 But what what can we do - TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1891.611 1895.014 1891.7 1894.95 Yeah , or we can ki do the kinetic cells . That's also maybe an idea . 1891.88 1893.75 1894.95 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1895.078 1900.71 1895.1 1900.38 But uh what can we do with the simple chip and what's difference with a regular chip and a advanced chip ? 1900.38 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1897.75 1908.822 1897.92 1908.71 Yeah that's what then what he has to find out . Maybe you can uh find it in your email right now , then we know then we exactly know what it will cost us . Maybe is that that's nice to know . 1899.75 1902.37 1906.55 1908.71 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1903.414 1904.247 1903.45 1904.19 If if i - TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1909.702 1916.973 1909.75 1916.75 Regular chip and because we don't have uh special functions to use uh in advanced chip , for example . 1915.96 1916.75 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1914.242 1932.001 1914.34 1931.94 Yeah , bu bu but when we yeah , but when we skip when we um when we don't use the do we're not gonna make the docking station , then we still yeah , we need something else maybe to make it kind of special , because that was our our special feature . 1914.49 1917.83 1924.07 1925.66 1929.41 1931.94 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1916.621 1918.45 1916.66 1918.38 I like the hand dynamo part . 1918.38 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1931.318 1934.334 1931.34 1934.334 We can make a plain docking station for two Euros . I mean 1933.89 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1932.015 1932.647 1932.22 1932.55 Yeah . 1932.55 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1933.693 1936.358 1933.76 1936.358 We'll go back uh tomorrow . 1936.27 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1934.694 1936.894 1934.71 1936.894 Yeah , okay , you can also do that , but maybe 1934.86 1935.13 1935.99 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1936.481 1938.056 1936.57 1938.056 Wi wi without recharge - TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1937.878 1944.557 1937.9 1944.4 It still is a special remote control cons uh you know , wi its form is special and material . 1941.12 1944.4 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1942.572 1949.681 1942.63 1949.28 Yeah , but but we can make a docking station for two Euros uh if you don't put the recharge function in it . I mean , 1942.76 1948.96 1949.28 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1951.158 1954.259 1951.3 1954.17 it has a shape . Of course it has a shape , but i i 1952.78 1953.68 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1952.294 1958.662 1952.43 1958.62 Yeah , but for two Euros , then we have still maybe we have to use the advanced chip , then two Euros isn't even possible . 1952.69 1953.72 1956.74 1958.62 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1961.258 1962.998 1961.3 1962.95 Why should that not be possible ? 1962.95 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1963.158 1965.881 1963.19 1965.85 Yeah , then because then we'd thirty cents left . 1963.34 1965.85 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1967.094 1971.99 1967.11 1971.96 No , for for the uh for the docking station if you do if you choose the simple chip . 1967.62 1971.96 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1971.931 1977.377 1971.97 1977.25 Yeah , but yeah , I don't know , because maybe d uh yeah , we have to find out with the simple chip . 1972.22 1973.15 1973.5 1975.61 1977.25 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 1976.094 1981.532 1976.27 1981.5 That's the question . If we do i do we need an advanced chip , or is it okay f 1977.2 1980.21 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 1980.385 1980.944 1980.49 1980.91 Yes . 1980.91 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1980.472 1985.161 1980.59 1985.03 Yeah , and w and and we uh need f and what is this ? Sample sensor sample speaker . 1980.86 1983.13 1985.03 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1981.443 1988.87 1981.49 1988.81 It isn't in my information , so I don't know it uh either . It isn't in my information , I uh I I've got a 1983.13 1985.82 1987.02 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 1991.206 1996.358 1991.26 1996.358 schematic view of the remote control , but nothing about uh advanced chips or 1993.16 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 1999.814 2002.134 1999.83 2002.06 You can look at it for s presentation . 2002.06 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2005.27 2006.75 2005.29 2006.71 S technical functions ? 2006.71 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2006.886 2007.67 2006.91 2007.62 No . 2007.62 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2007.654 2012.07 2007.73 2011.95 Uh I've got here in uh I will put a I will put a page on it . 2011.95 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2008.394 2010.597 2008.46 2010.19 No no , they were uh mine , yeah . 2008.89 2010.06 2010.19 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2010.086 2010.483 2010.15 2010.36 Oh . 2010.36 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2013.96 2015.542 2014.04 2015.44 When my mouse works again . 2015.44 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2021.67 2022.55 2021.7 2022.51 Oh , oh oh . 2022.15 2022.51 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2026.902 2027.222 2026.94 2027.15 Hey . 2027.15 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2028.724 2029.064 2028.83 2028.88 Oh . 2028.88 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2030.566 2031.862 2030.59 2031.862 My mouse is uh - TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2032.051 2032.6 2032.19 2032.48 Dead . 2032.48 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2033.046 2033.574 2033.12 2033.54 Yes . 2033.54 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2033.878 2035.057 2034.14 2034.86 Reanimate it . 2034.86 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2034.822 2035.11 2034.85 2035.04 Oh . 2035.04 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2035.062 2035.622 2035.1 2035.47 Died . 2035.47 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2038.342 2040.95 2038.36 2040.92 Ah , I've got it . I will put uh 2038.84 2039.94 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2041.974 2043.35 2042.05 2043.22 my email on the - TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2045.332 2046.198 2045.41 2046.12 the network . 2046.12 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2054.854 2055.878 2054.99 2055.71 What the hell are these ? 2055.71 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2055.894 2056.518 2055.91 2056.4 It's on it . 2056.4 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2058.925 2059.865 2059.03 2059.71 Oh , whatever . 2059.26 2059.71 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2061.478 2062.166 2061.51 2062.13 Yeah , it's open . 2061.71 2062.13 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2080.15 2080.742 2080.19 2080.7 Mm . 2080.7 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2082.934 2085.414 2083.17 2085.36 I don't think here it's in here already . 2085.36 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2083.752 2084.809 2083.8 2084.69 It's circuit board . 2084.69 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2104.822 2108.198 2104.86 2108.198 It's only just basics for for - TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2106.198 2107.846 2106.22 2107.81 It's nothing about s yeah . 2107.81 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2109.878 2110.23 2109.9 2110.2 Yes . 2110.2 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2110.15 2113.078 2110.17 2112.91 At the end circuit there is an infrared LED . 2112.91 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2110.854 2112.087 2110.88 2112.0 This isn't helpful . 2112.0 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2112.262 2112.582 2112.29 2112.51 No . 2112.51 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2115.478 2121.126 2115.5 2120.99 But i in the presentation of yours , there was also something about different components . Which one was it ? 2117.26 2120.41 2120.99 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2121.478 2122.663 2121.5 2122.51 Components design . 2122.51 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2122.166 2123.414 2122.19 2123.38 Functional requirements ? 2123.38 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2124.294 2124.95 2124.32 2124.95 Um - TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2125.366 2126.828 2125.39 2126.73 No , that was my presentation . 2125.56 2126.73 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2126.085 2127.542 2126.14 2127.48 Components design maybe . 2127.48 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2128.582 2129.974 2128.6 2129.87 Yes , that was mine . 2129.1 2129.87 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2128.56 2129.416 2128.66 2129.38 N on top . 2129.38 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2129.91 2130.358 2129.93 2130.32 Ah . 2130.32 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2131.446 2132.63 2131.5 2132.53 Ah yes , it was the second one . 2131.74 2132.53 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2133.51 2135.046 2133.53 2135.046 But that was my second - TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2135.27 2137.926 2135.29 2137.88 Yeah , it was your second your first presentation . 2135.51 2137.88 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2135.267 2136.389 2135.31 2136.29 It's already open . 2136.29 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2138.086 2139.056 2138.15 2138.93 It's at the bottom . 2138.93 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2140.022 2140.95 2140.04 2140.91 Working design . 2140.91 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2140.406 2140.718 2140.43 2140.63 Sorry ? 2140.63 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2141.11 2143.254 2141.29 2143.07 It's uh at your task bar . 2143.07 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2143.606 2145.382 2143.63 2145.35 Yeah , but it's the the other one . 2144.0 2145.35 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2146.166 2146.646 2146.26 2146.55 Oh . 2146.55 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2146.902 2147.558 2146.93 2147.558 Mm - TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2147.622 2152.422 2147.64 2152.37 Uh , this is n this is not this n that's not the right one . I don't oh . 2147.96 2151.61 2152.37 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2147.58 2150.316 2147.64 2150.1 Was it working design or components design ? 2150.1 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2148.268 2148.95 2148.35 2148.6 Sorry . 2148.6 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2152.582 2153.238 2152.64 2153.17 Okay , sorry . 2152.92 2153.17 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2156.966 2163.211 2156.99 2163.211 No , this is the other one . Or maybe something is uh maybe there's something abo in in these 2157.24 2158.87 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2165.254 2165.862 2165.27 2165.73 Chip set . 2165.73 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2166.585 2167.99 2166.69 2167.99 But this is the same uh - TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2169.142 2171.286 2169.16 2171.21 This is o only the possibilities . 2171.21 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2172.038 2172.406 2172.06 2172.37 Here . 2172.37 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2175.046 2175.446 2175.07 2175.41 Yeah . 2175.41 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2176.47 2179.782 2176.49 2179.75 We can use a simple , a regular , or advanced chip . 2178.15 2178.64 2179.75 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2179.956 2183.79 2180.08 2183.63 Yeah , nice . I it doesn't say anything . 2180.36 2182.17 2183.63 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2182.086 2184.766 2182.11 2184.7 The display requires an advanced chip . 2184.7 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2183.174 2192.182 2183.19 2192.05 You know that a push-button requires a simple chip , but a scroll-wheel , it it me requires Okay , so we only need a simple chip . 2185.28 2186.11 2190.42 2192.05 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2187.187 2188.019 2187.22 2187.93 Ah , okay . 2187.47 2187.93 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2190.676 2191.64 2190.79 2191.52 Requires . 2191.52 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2193.014 2193.75 2193.05 2193.59 With the light . 2193.59 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2195.174 2200.194 2195.2 2200.12 Little lights . Yeah , but that that's just the same as the the LED . 2196.45 2196.67 2200.12 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2199.094 2200.55 2199.12 2200.52 No no , that's just a simple chip . 2199.52 2200.52 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2201.781 2202.596 2201.81 2202.54 That's not needed . 2202.54 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2202.246 2211.027 2202.27 2210.74 A scroll-wheel it s uh only states that a scroll-wheel requires a regular chip , and that a display requires an advanced chip . So , we don't need any of them . 2207.3 2209.28 2209.79 2210.74 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2209.779 2218.47 2209.94 2218.47 A display uh is , of course , uh for showing letters . For showing text . I don't think that uh just a l a little light 2211.34 2212.0 2213.57 2214.86 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2212.246 2212.999 2212.27 2212.92 L_C_D_ . 2212.92 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2214.47 2214.87 2214.49 2214.81 Yeah . 2214.81 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2215.945 2216.486 2216.12 2216.45 No . 2216.45 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2219.99 2223.566 2220.01 2223.36 I think uh the uh normal uh simple chip will be okay . 2223.36 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2222.518 2223.83 2222.54 2223.73 Yeah , I agree . 2223.22 2223.73 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2223.798 2226.614 2223.82 2226.58 And what's the sample sensor slash sample speaker ? 2226.58 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2230.326 2236.534 2230.35 2236.49 Maybe you can say against the remote uh page uh f uh page up , page down . 2235.9 2236.49 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2234.086 2234.544 2234.12 2234.47 Yeah . 2234.47 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2235.946 2237.494 2236.04 2237.42 Yeah , I guess so too . 2236.7 2237.42 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2237.574 2238.614 2237.6 2238.58 Yeah , true . 2238.42 2238.58 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2239.494 2240.286 2239.51 2240.22 Next channel . 2240.22 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2239.5 2241.35 2239.54 2241.3 Well , that's not too what we want . 2239.65 2241.3 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2241.542 2244.347 2241.59 2244.347 No . Well , we might want it , but 2242.65 2242.84 2243.64 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2245.654 2246.054 2245.67 2245.92 Okay . 2245.92 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2245.974 2248.663 2245.974 2248.61 All in twelve Euros . 2248.61 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2247.763 2249.286 2247.83 2249.21 Back to the costs . 2249.21 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2250.374 2250.855 2250.39 2250.67 Yeah . 2250.67 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2250.474 2252.214 2250.55 2252.18 Twelve Euros and fifty cents . 2252.18 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2252.758 2254.758 2252.79 2254.71 So we're gonna use the simple chip . 2254.71 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2253.017 2254.738 2253.04 2254.63 So , simple chip is okay . 2253.31 2254.63 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2255.03 2257.245 2255.17 2257.19 Great . Delete . Yeah . 2256.2 2256.95 2257.19 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2257.254 2259.366 2257.27 2259.28 And the lights . Where uh are the lights ? 2258.04 2259.28 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2259.286 2261.27 2259.31 2261.23 Yeah , lights , yeah , there's no 2259.59 2260.01 2260.66 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2261.993 2263.241 2262.02 2263.08 Well , there're three , I guess . 2262.17 2262.71 2263.08 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2262.956 2263.821 2263.07 2263.72 category . 2263.72 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2267.51 2269.43 2267.53 2269.37 Nah , there is some money left to be spent . 2267.72 2269.37 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2270.438 2273.171 2270.46 2273.06 Can we do it wi within two two Euro ? 2273.06 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2271.478 2274.465 2271.5 2274.32 I think we can make a docking station . Yeah . 2274.09 2274.32 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2273.03 2301.892 2273.18 2301.83 Okay , but what we have to think about now is that is is it still a special remote control ? But I mean it isn't it hasn't got any innovative technology , we aren't gonna apply any uh innovated innovative te technology anyway , I think . I don't I don't see any possibility to do so , because it would wouldn't fit our defi design philosophy . But what w is there some extra maybe I think maybe the kinetic thing is something . 2273.36 2279.25 2283.98 2288.72 2289.35 2291.97 2296.27 2301.83 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2289.078 2289.577 2289.11 2289.5 Mm-hmm . 2289.5 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2293.86 2295.254 2294.08 2295.22 But it's original . 2295.22 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2296.214 2297.187 2296.34 2297.13 No , that's true . 2296.57 2297.13 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2302.95 2314.695 2303.01 2314.695 Instead of the rechargeable the rechargeable thing was something to um know , so y so people wouldn't have to worry about their batteries anymore . Maybe we if we put the kinetic thing in it 2308.16 2312.75 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2309.872 2310.562 2310.24 2310.4 M bu - TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2313.861 2316.339 2313.93 2316.339 But but sometimes you put a - TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2315.67 2321.271 2315.73 2321.16 Yeah , you leave the p yeah , I know , but still I they will think about that . I mean if you u 2315.95 2316.85 2317.1 2320.14 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2320.806 2325.675 2320.84 2325.46 Kinetics aren't uh nowadays only used in watches and that's because you're always walking . 2325.46 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2323.83 2359.014 2323.96 2359.014 The uh it's made for s people well , the they don't if it was uh uh r useless technology , they wouldn't put it uh as a possibility . And i it it th th the the target the target uh group are people who zap regularly and throw with their remote control as a matter of speaking . Because I think it when when there w was a remote control where it was useful to have a kinetic uh uh power source , then it would be this one . Because it's one it gets thrown around thrown around a lot and it gets used a lot 2326.02 2328.98 2331.83 2343.35 2351.89 2353.14 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2331.19 2332.858 2331.21 2332.75 Uh solar cells are useless . 2332.75 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2332.534 2334.294 2332.58 2334.294 Or the hand dynamo dynamo - TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2342.39 2343.098 2342.48 2343.0 Yeah . 2343.0 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2361.638 2367.046 2361.67 2367.01 Hey that maybe that's cool that's a cool thing about it , you know . You don't use batteries . I've never seen it before in a remote control . 2363.93 2364.22 2365.16 2367.01 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2362.278 2363.97 2362.3 2363.91 Yeah , but but if we ca 2362.41 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2369.382 2370.291 2369.44 2370.291 I don't know if - TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2369.476 2372.23 2369.58 2372.19 But then we could make a docking station . 2372.19 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2373.286 2374.038 2373.31 2374.0 Five minutes . 2374.0 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2373.958 2376.39 2374.0 2376.3 No , we we we can't make a docking station anyway . 2374.14 2376.3 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2377.046 2377.868 2377.07 2377.76 That's not true . 2377.76 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2378.187 2382.386 2378.26 2382.386 Yeah , we can als or uh also m we we can make one we can still make 2378.41 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2380.055 2382.447 2380.28 2382.32 We can make a docking station for two thirty . 2382.32 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2380.43 2384.182 2380.58 2384.08 Wow , w why no li Look at now , we got two 2380.89 2383.17 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2384.71 2385.43 2384.79 2385.38 Two thirty . 2385.38 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2384.726 2394.09 2384.8 2393.96 Fo for a docking station . With a cable , with uh buttons on it , with retrieval uh device in it . 2388.65 2389.57 2392.01 2393.96 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2385.43 2388.694 2385.45 2388.63 two thirty left . Ca can't we make a docking station of that ? 2386.82 2388.63 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2386.55 2388.652 2386.57 2388.48 We can make a docking station . Sure . 2388.21 2388.48 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2391.206 2391.574 2391.23 2391.48 Sure . 2391.48 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2393.281 2394.154 2393.3 2393.97 I don't know . 2393.97 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2393.83 2398.828 2393.93 2398.72 The power device is is i i is very cheap . That's just a regular uh power cable and whatever . 2396.35 2398.72 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2398.227 2403.766 2398.36 2403.69 Yeah , but be serious , then uh the docking station will be a fifth of the price of the remote control . 2398.48 2399.25 2403.69 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2399.67 2402.854 2399.67 2402.76 Wi with a button to - TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2401.022 2402.421 2401.04 2402.421 Well , we we uh 2401.22 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2403.782 2404.288 2403.8 2404.15 So . 2404.15 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2403.845 2410.834 2403.89 2410.68 wi with a button to retrieve it , so it will beep . Uh , so it's uh wireless technology . 2406.2 2407.28 2408.13 2410.68 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2407.942 2408.304 2407.96 2408.13 Yeah . 2408.13 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2409.194 2415.958 2409.194 2415.88 Yeah , but we uh we don't inc we haven't looked at the these costs of the speaker and other stuff . 2409.63 2415.88 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2417.734 2419.718 2417.75 2419.68 I don't think it's realistic for you to do so . 2419.68 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2419.958 2421.862 2419.958 2421.83 Well then it's a useless project . 2421.83 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2422.886 2426.313 2422.91 2426.313 Look at the case , the case the case of of uh of uh 2423.76 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2423.326 2424.908 2423.44 2424.908 Oh , because we 2423.76 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2425.691 2428.553 2425.78 2428.52 Yeah , then we don't have any innovation things . 2426.11 2428.52 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2426.918 2439.899 2426.94 2439.84 We well look at all the special stuff we have . Colour a the colours are special , the form is special . It th this is whole concept . Uh maybe it with the kinetic thing , I think we could do uh do a compromise uh with the kim kinetic thing . 2429.83 2431.51 2432.66 2434.88 2436.57 2439.84 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2434.534 2435.782 2434.534 2435.782 Can't we uh - TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2438.792 2440.39 2438.89 2440.25 Can't we say fifteen Euros ? 2440.25 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2440.998 2443.078 2440.998 2443.04 Uh , no . 2442.73 2443.04 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2442.038 2443.558 2442.06 2443.558 No , sta yeah I mean 2442.23 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2444.038 2446.134 2444.06 2446.1 No , then we have to sell it for thirty Euros . 2444.22 2446.1 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2446.998 2447.318 2447.02 2447.28 No . 2447.28 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2448.166 2450.806 2448.19 2450.76 No , we only make less profit of it . 2448.42 2450.76 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2448.431 2449.417 2448.45 2449.417 It's the - TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2451.286 2453.014 2451.31 2452.97 You can sell for twenty seven and a half . 2452.97 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2454.31 2459.11 2454.35 2459.08 Then you make as much profit as you would with twelve and a half production costs . 2459.08 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2455.958 2456.31 2455.958 2456.28 No . 2456.28 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2459.233 2465.222 2459.31 2465.222 Yeah , I don my suggestion is to just forget about the whole docking station thing and make it uh like a 2459.5 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2466.486 2470.838 2466.51 2470.79 Uh uh I I I I still fee I also feel this concept of making it kinetic , 2470.79 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2471.91 2475.43 2471.93 2475.39 because of the you know , it g it gives something dynamic to the remote control . 2472.83 2475.39 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2472.889 2473.746 2472.96 2473.746 I don't think - TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2473.361 2480.374 2473.48 2480.27 Maybe we can uh can do it both . Maybe we can do it both uh in the in the in the remote . Battery and kinetic . 2475.5 2478.97 2480.27 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2481.19 2481.558 2481.21 2481.51 No . 2481.51 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2481.734 2483.542 2481.77 2483.51 No , that wouldn't n no . 2482.28 2483.51 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2483.846 2484.758 2483.87 2484.7 Thirteen twenty . 2484.7 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2487.934 2492.966 2488.01 2492.92 Yeah , and it is also not a good it's not you have to really do it only kinetic , you don't want it to think about batteries anymore . 2488.26 2491.13 2492.92 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2489.667 2490.732 2489.73 2490.732 And I think only - TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2492.91 2498.166 2492.96 2498.12 Yes , but when it's then when it then you have to shake it uh and all when it's when it's empty . 2493.27 2498.12 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2493.276 2495.617 2493.39 2495.617 Yeah , but only kinetic , then you gotta 2493.48 2494.6 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2494.854 2495.673 2494.88 2495.55 No no . 2495.55 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2498.486 2499.814 2498.51 2499.61 Yeah , it's great . 2499.14 2499.61 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2498.499 2503.097 2498.54 2502.75 You you gotta throw uh throw it through the room like twenty times an hour , really . 2502.43 2502.75 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2502.022 2511.112 2502.022 2511.112 No no no . No no , this is very sophisticated technology technology . When you use it your remote like once a day , or maybe even less i i it 2503.52 2503.97 2506.48 2508.49 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2506.62 2508.0 2506.65 2507.81 You asked for three d - TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2510.692 2515.599 2510.75 2515.54 No , that's n that's not true . Uh , a watch is uh kinetic because you walk all the time . 2511.03 2512.17 2512.49 2515.54 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2512.288 2512.81 2512.4 2512.63 No . 2512.63 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2513.766 2521.297 2513.87 2521.17 It We can make it yeah no . Becau be but a remote control gets why do they state that this technology can be used if it 2516.23 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2520.342 2522.474 2520.36 2522.39 Yes , solar cells are also stated . 2520.67 2522.39 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2522.854 2528.019 2522.87 2527.89 Yeah , m but a w uh uh n uh a calculator also works on r on solar cells . 2523.09 2527.89 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2527.004 2529.142 2527.05 2529.09 Why don't we use solar cells then ? 2529.09 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2529.974 2547.045 2529.99 2547.045 Because I think the d whole dynamic part , do you know , appeals to me qui uh thinking of our design philosophy , you know , with the rubber parts and uh sturdiness of the thing , and y when you move it around a lot , then people find the idea funny that when I move my remote control around and 2532.43 2533.3 2536.14 2536.65 2540.69 2542.35 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2545.686 2546.514 2545.71 2546.37 That's true . 2546.37 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2546.695 2553.864 2546.75 2553.62 Yeah , it's funny for a week . I guess something like that , where you have to move it around very frequently , is demotivating . 2546.86 2547.78 2549.27 2552.68 2553.62 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2553.047 2559.526 2553.047 2559.49 Yeah , but you don't have to . Trust me . The idea of this technology is that you don't think about it , it just happens . 2553.91 2555.84 2556.28 2558.75 2559.49 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2560.366 2564.895 2560.43 2564.84 No , I I don't move my uh my remote control very much , seriously . 2560.79 2564.13 2564.84 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2562.55 2572.31 2562.67 2572.31 Okay , then we d Okay , well y we don't have to do it , but what that would just have a lack of key features , you know . You m have to put something on your box . You have to make people buy it and uh 2562.92 2563.63 2564.66 2567.94 2568.25 2570.72 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2562.62 2563.219 2562.71 2562.96 Oui . 2562.96 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2574.47 2579.702 2574.49 2579.61 We can really can do the docking thing , uh it's not yeah , uh we can do it , but it's would be a easy way out . 2576.83 2577.52 2578.24 2579.61 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2578.122 2582.054 2578.122 2582.054 You can do it for fifty cents . 2581.81 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2582.662 2584.766 2582.68 2584.66 Well , we've got more than fifty Cents . 2582.88 2584.66 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2583.863 2588.095 2584.59 2588.03 The c The case the case alone is is is uh - TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2584.71 2589.181 2585.08 2589.12 Okay , but we have to grou to agree upon something , because uh we only have a minute left or so . 2585.26 2587.12 2589.12 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2588.935 2592.95 2588.96 2592.9 the case alone for uh remote control is at least one Euro . 2592.9 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2594.022 2597.51 2594.04 2597.46 Then we have one Euro thirty for the whole docking station . 2597.46 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2596.29 2597.442 2596.35 2597.41 No no , it's not possible . 2596.84 2597.41 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2598.726 2603.574 2598.75 2603.47 Okay , w b we can s we can leave it on be well then then th it's this is then then our concept is ready . 2598.93 2603.47 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2606.15 2607.158 2606.17 2607.12 Cheap remote control . 2607.12 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2609.846 2613.028 2609.87 2612.94 Yeah , we make some extra profit of it . 2610.09 2612.94 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2612.669 2619.399 2612.74 2619.27 Yeah . No , we won't , but that's um something else . No , this not gonna sell . No . 2613.51 2613.76 2614.39 2616.71 2617.35 2619.07 2619.27 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2614.694 2615.337 2614.75 2615.337 But now - TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2615.11 2618.662 2615.11 2618.662 It w it won't tell , but 2618.43 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2618.902 2619.862 2618.92 2619.8 Huh , any ideas ? 2619.14 2619.8 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2620.598 2621.222 2620.62 2621.15 Of course not . 2621.15 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2623.254 2624.358 2623.29 2624.29 No , uh , n no 2623.43 2623.81 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2624.477 2626.79 2624.55 2626.69 Great . It's great . 2626.05 2626.69 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2627.206 2633.094 2627.55 2633.04 Yeah , we just have to go all what we did today again . You have to do it over . 2627.8 2631.82 2633.04 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2627.82 2628.967 2627.85 2628.84 Our remote control . 2628.84 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2633.382 2634.807 2633.4 2634.7 We come back tomorrow , okay ? 2634.42 2634.7 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2634.646 2636.479 2634.67 2636.479 Yeah . the 2635.85 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2635.094 2647.062 2635.12 2647.01 No no uh there's still there's still someth concept and something special left . I mean we're gonna it's gonna excel in in on in the the range in the field of design and and uh looks and feel . 2639.66 2647.01 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2635.115 2635.597 2635.22 2635.56 Yes . 2635.56 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2636.487 2637.859 2636.51 2637.56 Seventy Euros . 2637.56 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2641.842 2643.096 2641.94 2642.95 No , but no . 2642.26 2642.95 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2648.342 2650.298 2648.36 2650.24 That's what it's makes it special . 2650.24 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2652.662 2656.822 2652.68 2656.79 Yeah , and I would li I would have liked a kinetic part as well , to give it some 2652.85 2656.09 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2657.862 2667.414 2657.88 2667.36 just to give it some extra special feature , and uh I know it will work , but uh it's it's an They're they're not putting technologies on this , but if it if it was impossible to 2659.99 2661.99 2665.51 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2668.55 2669.494 2668.66 2669.45 to make it happen . 2669.45 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2669.846 2671.862 2669.87 2671.31 Why not a hand dynamo then ? 2671.31 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2675.014 2678.582 2675.03 2678.55 Okay , well we leave it like this . Then it's c then we're yeah . 2675.32 2677.04 2678.55 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2677.738 2679.401 2677.76 2678.88 Yeah , yeah . 2678.53 2678.88 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2678.63 2681.622 2678.68 2681.57 We can't do anything else . Warning , finish meeting now . 2680.12 2680.63 2681.57 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2682.742 2683.286 2682.76 2683.24 We're done . 2683.24 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2687.83 2693.03 2687.85 2693.0 Okay , project e uh well , we were gonna what look take a look at the last sheet . 2688.79 2690.11 2693.0 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2688.342 2688.996 2688.38 2688.92 Is this it ? 2688.92 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2689.955 2690.918 2689.98 2690.87 Yeah , sure . 2690.56 2690.87 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2691.84 2692.374 2691.88 2692.23 Okay . 2692.23 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2693.702 2694.326 2693.72 2694.25 No , we can't . 2693.89 2694.25 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2695.126 2697.558 2695.28 2697.558 Yeah , we have to Yeah , it's 2695.51 2696.28 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2697.318 2700.278 2697.318 2700.21 No . 2700.21 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2703.606 2707.164 2703.63 2707.164 Yes , yes . Celebration . I don't see why , but 2703.96 2704.5 2705.59 2706.3 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2703.98 2704.551 2704.06 2704.52 Yes . 2704.52 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2706.454 2707.756 2706.56 2707.58 Where's the champagne ? 2707.58 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2708.366 2710.87 2708.4 2710.84 I think we gotta fill out another questionnaire , to be honest . 2710.25 2710.84 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2710.99 2711.472 2711.08 2711.37 Yeah ? 2711.37 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2711.398 2713.398 2711.54 2713.11 I don't uh hear a bell . 2713.11 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2713.35 2714.067 2713.37 2713.92 No , not yet . 2713.51 2713.92 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2719.034 2721.206 2719.18 2721.14 Alright , I'll see you guys in a minute . 2719.72 2721.14 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2719.622 2720.765 2719.64 2720.71 We can do it here then . 2720.71 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2721.942 2722.438 2721.96 2722.37 Bye . 2722.37 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2723.254 2724.101 2723.27 2724.04 I don't think so . 2724.04 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2723.295 2724.502 2723.32 2724.37 Can we can't we do it here ? 2724.37 TS3008d D MTD032ME 3 2724.998 2727.675 2725.04 2727.54 I don't know . I don't I don't think so . 2726.43 2727.54 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2736.502 2736.902 2736.69 2736.87 Uh-huh . 2736.87 TS3008d C MTD030ID 2 2738.15 2739.598 2738.17 2739.3 Just fill that one in . 2739.3 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2753.174 2755.926 2753.19 2755.87 Yeah , we're doing now . But it's . 2753.46 2754.76 2755.87 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2759.27 2760.253 2759.29 2760.18 Oh , okay . 2759.63 2760.18 TS3008d A MTD029PM 0 2765.902 2767.09 2766.02 2766.72 Uh , I don't know . 2766.15 2766.72 TS3008d B MTD031UID 1 2766.161 2766.86 2766.23 2766.82 Nice . 2766.82 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 8.589 9.42 8.62 8.99 I dunno . 8.99 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 11.36 14.428 11.36 14.36 Throwing away my toothpick . 14.36 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 17.168 18.238 17.49 18.16 Hi there . 18.16 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 22.724 23.592 22.91 23.49 Yo . 23.49 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 26.66 27.411 26.87 27.32 Ow . 27.32 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 42.208 43.071 42.58 42.91 'Kay . 42.91 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 48.688 49.908 48.71 49.908 Uh - TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 50.775 52.546 50.95 52.18 Nice user interface . 52.18 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 52.257 53.372 52.49 52.82 Yeah . 52.82 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 53.909 54.651 53.94 54.651 What the - TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 55.089 55.944 55.13 55.944 Uh - TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 60.496 67.408 60.52 67.34 Yeah well , ja well let's just start . I've uh made a presentation 62.01 65.69 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 64.928 65.6 64.95 65.16 'Kay . 65.16 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 68.128 68.976 68.15 68.94 Right let's see it . 68.94 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 68.56 73.808 68.58 73.66 uh but uh I'll open it on the Smartboard , so we can all see it . 72.78 73.66 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 75.488 79.312 75.51 79.28 So it's in the project documents because that's what we can find here . 79.28 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 82.256 86.112 82.28 86.07 Well . Very nice . 85.57 86.07 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 87.248 99.024 87.27 99.024 Well this is called the the the kick-off meeting . So uh I'm the Project Manager , so I had to fill it in , and uh hmm . 90.13 92.42 94.97 98.99 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 94.304 94.528 94.32 94.49 'Kay . 94.49 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 102.0 103.312 102.51 103.312 Oh sorry . 103.27 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 106.608 109.136 107.09 109.136 And an uh a nice agenda . 108.92 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 110.144 112.736 110.26 112.7 Uh we'll do the opening and then uh - TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 113.888 120.4 113.91 120.34 we'll meet each other , what uh we already do , so , that's not uh very much trouble . I'll I'll show you the 115.34 116.36 117.12 119.18 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 121.424 130.274 121.44 130.2 the tools we have here , so that we can all use them . Then uh we'll look at the project plan from uh Real Reaction . 123.21 125.33 130.2 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 131.504 145.792 131.53 145.792 We'll discuss about our first ideas about the project , and then uh we'll close the meeting , and then we can uh individually uh do our things and then uh we'll get back here . So this the opening we'll uh 135.05 137.32 143.02 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 147.952 158.368 147.97 158.33 We have to uh design a new television remote control . You have heard that uh already I think , so . Um we want it to be original , so a nice uh a nice new design . 151.27 152.73 153.94 156.39 158.33 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 153.392 153.712 153.42 153.68 Mm-hmm . 153.68 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 159.408 165.888 159.43 165.85 Uh trendy , it's also for young people , and we have to just uh make it uh modern . 160.61 162.41 165.85 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 167.44 172.416 167.46 172.416 And uh friendly , so size does matter . And uh 169.16 171.86 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 175.44 182.464 175.46 182.15 Well it has to be a have the the right uh the right buttons on the right place , that kin those kind of things . 180.74 182.15 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 180.88 181.248 180.91 181.19 Mm-hmm . 181.19 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 184.96 185.68 185.02 185.68 Other uh - TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 186.598 193.52 186.84 193.49 There happen to be uh three stages . functional , conceptual , and d detailed design . 189.82 191.11 192.35 193.49 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 194.624 203.456 194.69 203.39 Um so every time we we'll do some individual work , get meeting , talk about it , uh and then go into the next phase . 198.36 199.35 200.78 203.39 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 204.48 205.12 204.5 205.08 That's just it . 205.08 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 207.76 208.432 207.76 208.432 Um - TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 209.728 212.048 209.75 212.01 We have uh these two Smartboards . 212.01 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 213.168 231.6 213.2 231.57 Um well as I just showed , there's a project management folder , a project document folder on the desktop . It just works exactly the same as a computer . You just uh click on the on the folder and you open the everything you you put in it with your laptop . So you can uh make uh Words Excel , everything . 215.96 217.85 220.18 222.87 228.9 231.13 231.57 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 232.704 245.584 232.77 245.46 Um and the w the r uh the rest uh also works the same so uh when you open a notepad you uh you just get your uh things , you can uh draw . This is a uh well a drawing board . 239.96 242.13 245.46 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 246.816 249.824 246.816 249.79 you have a these - TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 250.992 255.616 251.01 255.58 different uh functions on the board . You can see them there . 254.8 255.58 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 256.8 262.976 256.82 262.94 So you have a a nice pen , and it's works just like a bal ball pen . This is just a . 259.38 261.58 262.94 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 264.128 264.912 264.17 264.912 I want to uh - TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 266.08 269.357 266.1 269.357 Oh yeah . Of course w doesn't work any more . 266.58 269.11 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 266.24 272.912 266.24 272.83 Maybe you should try to write on the on the big white uh Does it ? Yeah . It works . 271.86 272.41 272.83 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 271.84 275.088 271.87 275.05 Yes I will eraser so . 275.05 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 274.944 277.488 274.944 277.45 Wonderful . 277.45 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 276.352 285.376 276.37 285.33 It's fantas fantastic . We can uh uh well you can save a file . So if uh we draw we have to save everything . Don't throw anything away . 278.38 281.72 284.19 285.33 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 285.904 286.272 285.93 286.23 Mm-hmm . 286.23 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 286.704 289.392 286.72 289.32 Uh just we can start a new one , 289.32 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 290.528 295.328 290.55 295.29 and we just go on , and don't throw anything away . Just uh let them all uh stand here . 292.18 293.25 295.29 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 296.4 318.32 296.42 318.27 We can delete , but we don't do that . Um you can here select a pen , you can draw anything you want . It's a bit uh childish you have to write . It's not as fast as you w you know it , but it does work sometimes . Well it's just like a normal uh 297.22 298.55 300.94 302.14 305.53 308.56 314.98 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 311.127 315.536 311.127 315.536 . 315.536 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 319.424 321.472 319.44 321.32 paint . So it's gone . 320.15 321.32 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 320.207 322.032 320.207 322.0 Alright , yep . 321.79 322.0 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 322.976 332.768 323.0 332.73 Well we are designers , so we have to have a a more uh a Smartboard . So that's fantastic . Um well this uh speaks for itself . 324.1 327.41 330.07 332.73 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 335.84 336.944 335.86 336.86 We going to try it . 336.86 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 338.144 357.616 338.16 357.56 So um we all uh are going to uh draw a nice animal on this board , not my idea . Yes our your favourite . So um I'm to going to have to draw a kangaroo , but I'm going d I'm not going to . I'm just uh going to uh well draw a nice uh 343.46 347.55 349.47 352.84 354.73 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 345.552 349.248 345.58 349.248 Alright , your favourite animal ? 346.53 349.11 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 358.839 362.464 358.839 362.464 Grizzly bear . 362.24 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 358.992 367.536 359.2 367.5 beast w I dunno what I'm going to design . Oh um doesn't oh . 361.98 367.5 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 367.104 374.265 367.12 373.97 I hope this was part of the assignment and not uh your uh I hope this was part of the assignment and not uh your personal uh enjoyment . 373.97 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 368.117 369.038 368.14 368.92 Yeah , 'kay . 368.6 368.92 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 370.208 370.528 370.23 370.45 Hmm ? 370.45 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 373.52 382.56 373.54 382.53 I just said it's not my idea but I am the Project Manager , and officially this is my idea . So what ? 376.2 378.57 382.53 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 374.123 374.894 374.39 374.67 Yeah . 374.67 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 378.272 380.908 378.29 380.82 I I I I understand . Alright . 380.22 380.82 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 380.048 381.392 380.07 381.33 We're kinda losing time , though . 381.13 381.33 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 382.592 384.384 382.61 384.384 We're losing time , but 383.89 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 383.728 393.248 383.75 393.19 Ah the first the first meeting is just a bit uh loose , loosen up , a bit uh meeting each other well uh uh nice yeah . Sh 387.76 388.18 392.97 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 383.968 385.296 383.968 385.296 so start - TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 387.712 388.0 387.73 387.97 Alright . 387.97 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 391.238 392.72 391.238 392.69 Yep yes . 392.69 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 395.36 399.409 395.38 399.409 I hope our Industrial Designer does this better because uh this is uh - TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 399.072 400.24 399.09 400.21 Don't uh count on it . 400.21 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 400.64 407.156 400.66 407.09 No so a a few legs . 407.09 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 406.124 414.907 406.58 414.77 Do we have to guess ? A hippo ? Yeah . 408.07 414.09 414.77 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 408.048 415.647 408.048 415.647 Yes yes guess . Well I should make it an hippo now . 410.89 415.52 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 411.224 416.816 411.224 416.67 I think it's a mouse or a rat . 416.67 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 416.296 417.984 416.296 417.94 No I don't think so . 417.94 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 418.032 418.432 418.13 418.39 Oh . 418.39 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 419.76 420.496 419.78 420.43 Oh I know it . 420.43 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 421.872 423.248 422.52 423.21 Well what is it , huh ? 423.07 423.21 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 423.072 424.288 423.09 424.19 It's a hedgehog . 424.19 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 423.184 427.248 423.2 427.248 I don't know how to call it . A hedgehog ? 424.59 427.13 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 424.368 431.36 424.49 431.36 Yeah difficult English word . I didn't knew it myself . 428.07 431.06 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 429.152 429.824 429.152 429.824 . 429.824 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 430.656 436.352 430.68 436.352 Well I'm amazed uh about your uh drawing skills . 436.2 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 435.6 447.392 435.72 447.392 Our characteristics sum it up . Well it's uh very uh painful those kind of thing . So we can uh just uh 438.34 445.01 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 447.054 448.144 447.054 447.93 Yeah . 447.93 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 449.44 456.24 449.46 456.21 We're going back and now uh our Industrial Designer can uh draw its uh most favourite animal . Huh . 456.05 456.21 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 452.102 454.438 452.102 454.31 I am the Industrial Designer . 454.31 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 452.201 452.98 452.32 452.7 Alright . 452.7 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 454.992 456.832 455.01 456.64 Thank you . 456.64 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 457.568 459.568 457.59 459.44 Chief , I am the Industrial Designer . 458.39 459.44 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 459.648 461.584 459.67 461.53 Oh uh but this uh marketing designer . 461.53 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 461.872 462.064 461.89 462.02 Yeah . 462.02 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 464.064 466.009 464.064 466.009 I think - TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 467.099 473.056 467.51 472.85 It's pr it resembles the animal drawn by . 472.85 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 473.072 479.296 473.072 479.296 what kind of animal is that then ? 478.95 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 474.784 476.672 474.8 476.672 It's . 476.59 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 479.216 481.056 479.24 480.96 I think can I say it ? 480.96 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 481.664 483.12 481.68 482.87 Yeah sure . 482.87 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 482.416 486.768 482.49 486.768 Uh it . 486.59 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 487.92 490.064 487.94 490.064 It's a rabbit . Well 489.77 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 491.168 492.352 491.19 492.29 Looks very nice , right ? 491.78 492.29 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 492.336 492.544 492.36 492.5 Yeah . 492.5 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 492.496 494.096 492.93 493.97 It looks amazing . 493.97 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 494.544 496.512 494.56 496.46 No no no . What are you going to do ? 495.7 496.46 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 497.28 500.031 497.3 500.031 We want to erase it . 499.48 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 498.32 502.208 498.34 502.14 No no . No no save it and start a new uh save it 499.67 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 502.592 503.359 502.61 503.13 Yes . 503.13 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 502.736 503.975 502.76 503.975 These are very impor - TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 503.216 505.577 503.24 505.53 and start a new black uh doc a blank document . 505.53 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 504.784 508.083 504.8 508.083 These are very important documents , of course , uh these drawings , uh 506.16 506.66 507.55 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 507.04 510.032 507.07 510.032 Yeah well we have to save everything so now um the next one uh - TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 507.359 509.235 507.55 509.04 Yes uh right . 509.04 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 511.232 515.2 511.232 514.93 and then save it and start an blank document . 514.93 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 511.344 512.16 511.36 511.87 You go man . 511.87 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 511.794 513.707 511.794 513.03 Thanks . 513.03 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 520.608 526.928 520.608 526.89 Yeah . There's also different colours and different uh 523.77 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 528.496 536.576 528.52 536.576 well pen widths uh the line the the thickness thickness . So um well you should uh try it but uh 533.04 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 533.024 533.427 533.04 533.29 Alright . 533.29 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 537.04 540.612 537.06 540.612 I should have made mine a white rabbit . 540.52 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 538.992 541.201 539.01 541.0 Well y y y you could have but uh . 541.0 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 540.912 544.4 540.93 544.37 And he deliberately draws a animal we don't know the English word for . 544.37 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 542.112 543.302 542.13 543.17 It speaks for itself . 543.17 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 544.32 549.52 544.32 549.52 What the uh just a duck . 549.44 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 545.456 547.936 546.56 547.936 It looks like an uh - TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 549.536 551.6 549.56 551.56 It looks like that beast from Sesame Street . 551.56 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 551.552 556.496 551.552 556.496 Nice . 556.24 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 552.208 553.888 552.208 553.888 . 553.888 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 554.192 554.544 554.21 554.5 Yeah . 554.5 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 555.008 556.768 555.13 556.768 Big bird . 556.72 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 560.144 560.92 560.16 560.83 Is it a duck ? 560.83 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 560.24 566.336 560.26 566.3 You're standing in front of it , I can't see it . Alright , thank you . Yeah it's a bird , but what kind of bird ? 561.44 562.63 562.92 563.79 565.22 566.3 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 560.519 562.128 561.03 562.128 It's it's uh - TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 561.522 563.44 561.87 563.44 Is it a plane ? 563.12 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 568.528 572.24 568.55 572.21 It doesn't draw uh circles uh that easy uh . 572.21 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 570.0 571.12 570.04 571.12 Do we have to uh - TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 572.224 573.248 572.26 573.21 You have to push harder . 573.21 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 573.36 575.776 573.38 575.43 Yeah just a bit a bit childish , a bit . 575.21 575.43 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 573.953 574.839 574.22 574.74 Mm . 574.74 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 576.848 582.368 576.98 582.19 But we have uh do we have to name the specific species of the bird ? 582.19 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 577.68 578.382 577.7 578.35 Release your anger . 578.35 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 582.768 585.072 582.768 585.04 Uh no I don't . It's just a bird . 584.09 585.04 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 583.127 583.723 583.31 583.62 No ? 583.62 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 586.336 587.168 586.36 587.13 Well wonderful . 587.13 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 586.128 588.544 586.38 588.544 Well uh save the document and then uh - TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 593.36 595.248 593.38 595.11 And then a a new blank document for . 595.11 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 596.816 619.705 596.816 619.46 uh will uh choose a new colour and a new pen width so w we can all see it . No well first yeah . And then you go to format I think , and current colour you choose a new colour . And a new pen width uh also format . 603.2 605.86 609.37 611.4 619.46 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 597.824 598.468 597.85 598.35 Here you go . 598.35 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 600.827 605.936 600.827 605.52 Why do I have to do the difficult tasks ? Uh pen yeah that's . 603.01 605.52 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 609.04 610.119 609.06 609.93 Uh current colour . 609.93 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 611.904 617.384 611.92 617.384 I like uh oh they don't have pink . Oh b oh think this is uh 615.28 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 612.531 613.361 612.77 613.1 Mm . 613.1 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 620.608 626.771 620.63 626.67 It's not like in paint . Line width . And you can choose a nice one . Width width . With each other . 622.31 623.32 624.74 625.97 626.67 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 621.984 622.368 622.01 622.368 Uh ? Uh 622.16 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 623.872 624.576 623.89 624.52 Line width . 624.52 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 624.496 625.123 624.52 625.06 Width . 625.06 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 625.888 629.584 625.91 629.53 Uh fifteen . And I can draw ? 628.68 629.53 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 628.476 629.522 628.91 629.21 Hmm . 629.21 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 629.696 630.0 629.72 629.94 Yeah . 629.94 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 633.104 638.912 633.104 638.57 So . Just a wa that's the way we do it's quite easy . 635.45 638.57 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 635.465 636.331 635.64 636.331 Uh - TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 639.648 640.544 639.82 640.544 Hmm . 640.22 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 641.008 645.952 641.04 645.952 Mm-hmm . Oh Pussy . 644.04 645.81 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 641.632 642.704 641.66 642.51 It's a pussy cat . 642.51 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 642.438 643.856 642.71 643.856 It's a cat . 643.4 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 645.504 649.332 645.52 649.0 Oh the line width is too thick , but oh well . 648.28 649.0 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 648.64 649.824 648.66 649.78 Well then you change it . 649.78 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 651.104 652.08 651.12 652.05 And erase things . 652.05 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 653.168 654.48 653.75 654.45 Uh . 654.45 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 656.288 666.04 656.288 666.04 What ? Super pig . 663.99 665.94 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 657.574 663.76 657.574 663.76 It's a pig . 663.65 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 661.206 662.352 661.25 662.32 It smiles nicely . 662.32 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 665.12 667.248 665.14 667.248 Now I have to change the line width . 667.19 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 671.104 672.528 671.15 672.47 Uh one . 672.47 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 673.104 673.408 673.12 673.408 So - TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 674.256 675.744 674.28 675.68 These are whiskers , you know . 675.24 675.68 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 674.736 677.36 674.736 677.36 Yeah yeah yeah we know . 677.19 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 676.227 676.823 676.29 676.69 Right . 676.69 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 677.28 680.704 677.81 680.67 Uh well I think it's obvious right now . 680.67 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 680.736 684.352 680.8 684.352 Yes alright . It's a cat . 682.7 683.88 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 686.928 687.873 686.95 687.65 No it looks great . 687.65 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 691.632 692.608 691.72 692.56 Miaow . 692.56 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 693.724 695.648 693.78 695.648 Well if this isn't obvious - TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 696.656 698.048 696.76 698.048 Well well um - TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 699.056 701.904 699.09 701.904 Just save it . 701.61 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 700.112 703.664 700.112 703.24 I'll save it alright uh save . 703.24 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 700.304 705.328 700.32 705.25 Yeah save it and start a new blank document . 705.25 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 706.64 708.24 706.66 708.17 Uh yeah uh blank . 708.17 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 708.384 717.856 708.4 717.856 Yep . So that's uh what we're going to use when we uh need it . Well it's terrific , eh ? 709.19 714.05 716.41 717.1 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 712.496 716.432 712.6 716.27 Well I feel comfortable now . Thanks for this exercise . 715.28 716.27 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 713.232 714.031 713.25 713.94 Oh great . 713.94 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 718.464 722.718 718.48 722.718 It's good for group spirit . 722.42 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 718.608 720.24 718.63 720.14 I feel totally at ease . 720.14 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 719.824 729.584 719.84 729.55 Yeah that's it . We're one big happy family now . Well then uh the serious uh stuff . 723.19 727.4 729.55 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 720.464 723.248 720.464 723.248 It certainly is . 723.0 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 726.112 727.36 726.13 727.33 Yeah something like that . 727.33 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 731.024 741.264 731.04 741.2 We're we want to sell it at twenty five Euros internationally um so um but we dunno what exactly th i it is in dollars , but uh twenty five Euros . 738.55 741.2 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 742.272 746.608 742.29 746.57 Our profit aim is , worldwide , fifty million Euros . 743.98 745.2 746.57 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 747.504 747.872 747.58 747.872 So - TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 747.92 768.448 747.94 768.41 So I didn't uh exactly uh calculate how much we have to sell . we want to keep it our costs at twelve and a half Euros so , keep uh that in mind when we uh talk about our uh materials an f and stuff , and uh marketing uh research . 754.92 760.8 765.74 768.41 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 765.541 766.051 765.58 765.81 Right . 765.81 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 765.664 766.306 765.69 766.03 Alright . 766.03 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 771.44 785.344 771.46 785.17 Now then we all uh we can uh sit down and discuss uh what do we think about our current remote controls , first about design uh about uh aim in the market 779.77 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 786.432 796.096 786.45 796.096 etcetera ? Well uh we c we can sit down uh because uh presentation can wait . We can uh take notes and uh 787.84 793.04 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 787.152 787.456 787.17 787.37 Right . 787.37 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 797.264 802.592 797.34 802.56 Well who has uh some uh remarks about the current uh remote controls ? 802.56 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 804.992 813.664 805.01 813.664 Well I I didn't have to prepare anything about uh it's not , it's it's not my task to uh talk about uh experience with current remote controls , but uh 809.32 813.22 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 805.152 806.24 805.17 806.24 Please ? 806.0 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 808.128 810.176 808.15 810.176 No uh I did . 809.93 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 813.872 818.048 813.89 818.048 Well uh just w we're uh four uh if we if we would just have one then - TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 816.481 821.856 816.5 821.82 I think it's im it's important to uh look at uh the remote controls of our competitors . 821.82 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 822.07 822.464 822.29 822.43 Yeah . 822.43 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 822.864 838.672 822.89 838.62 Get the good points uh try to merge them into one universal remote control . On our corporate site I saw uh a new D_V_D_ player uh we're gonna produce . Maybe it's important to make it compatible with the D_V_D_ player 828.19 835.63 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 827.712 828.048 827.73 828.01 Yeah yeah . 828.01 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 834.816 835.088 834.84 834.98 Yep . 834.98 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 835.988 836.834 836.04 836.63 That's alright . 836.63 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 839.36 840.816 839.38 840.78 That would be a nice idea , yes . 840.48 840.78 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 840.736 846.048 840.76 846.01 so you can uh use your television and your D_V_D_ player with the same uh remote control . 846.01 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 845.552 846.192 845.57 846.16 Yep yep yep . 846.16 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 847.648 860.096 847.67 859.53 Furthermore it's important to make it uh acceptable for the whole world , for different cultures , maybe , because we want to we want to well fifty million ? 853.02 854.49 855.37 859.53 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 860.064 862.912 860.11 862.86 Yes fifty million is our aim to a profit , so . 862.54 862.86 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 860.64 861.166 860.67 860.94 Mm-hmm . 860.94 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 861.454 865.472 861.84 865.41 Yeah yeah so a lot of people have to be able to use it . 865.41 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 865.696 873.056 865.72 873.01 No but uh the b the buttons have to uh have to have uh international recognisable buttons and uh - TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 866.157 866.988 866.18 866.988 So - TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 867.152 868.173 867.17 868.0 Easy to learn . 868.0 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 868.151 868.601 868.23 868.47 Yeah . 868.47 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 873.648 874.144 873.67 874.11 Yeah that's right . 874.11 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 874.064 874.368 874.08 874.32 Yeah . 874.32 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 874.32 874.968 874.34 874.69 Yes . 874.69 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 874.033 880.496 874.37 880.44 and numbers and uh that every culture in uh , yeah , people in every country can recognise . 877.98 879.18 880.44 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 879.504 879.919 879.58 879.81 Yeah . 879.81 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 881.984 891.2 882.11 891.17 I'll make uh notes and then uh maybe uh well I'll put it in the project uh folder when I'm done uh just now . Well yeah ? 890.3 891.17 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 889.248 889.765 889.28 889.65 Mm-hmm . 889.65 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 889.76 890.447 889.78 890.33 Alright . 890.33 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 889.734 898.16 889.96 897.96 I also think we should not add too many buttons . Modern day uh remotes have too much buttons I think . 893.22 897.96 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 890.43 890.844 890.52 890.76 Right . 890.76 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 893.408 895.008 893.43 894.97 No that's right . 894.97 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 896.016 901.472 896.04 901.44 Y y you don't use uh the half of them that's that's culture uh international . 901.44 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 898.692 899.456 898.82 899.42 Precisely . 899.42 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 902.112 909.322 902.13 909.23 Maybe we could make one button to switch between D_V_D_ player and T_V_ and make the other buttons uh multi-functional or something . 909.23 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 905.92 906.24 905.95 906.21 Yeah . 906.21 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 908.96 910.272 908.98 910.18 Yeah indeed . 910.18 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 909.212 909.824 909.35 909.72 Yes . 909.72 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 909.328 913.696 909.35 913.696 Yeah so it doesn't uh become too complicated with too much buttons and uh - TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 913.104 913.52 913.14 913.49 Yeah right . 913.49 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 913.616 921.728 913.64 921.68 Yep , and maybe we do uh we even have uh more than just a D_V_D_ player . Don't we have uh other uh ou 914.38 919.67 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 921.408 926.125 921.43 925.81 Yeah we should make it compatible perhaps with everything we use , we uh we make ? 924.93 925.81 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 923.008 925.814 923.03 925.78 And stereo uh s uh audio installations . 925.78 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 923.136 923.36 923.18 923.33 Uh . 923.33 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 924.187 929.152 924.41 929.11 We also uh just uh released a T_F_T_ uh thing I saw . 929.11 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 927.968 932.672 927.99 932.64 Yeah so but th that's kind kind of standard T_ television so it also works on that . 932.64 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 930.944 931.328 930.97 931.29 Yeah . 931.29 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 931.125 931.936 931.48 931.9 Yeah . 931.9 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 933.04 933.392 933.06 933.27 Yep . 933.27 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 934.128 942.993 934.17 942.47 And I think the people who who will buy our uh remote already have some experience with remotes . So we can keep that in mind . 940.42 942.47 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 941.76 942.928 941.78 942.89 Most people do , yeah . 942.67 942.89 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 943.312 943.968 943.37 943.93 Well yeah . 943.93 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 944.24 946.576 944.29 946.576 It doesn't it doesn't have to be - TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 945.248 947.754 945.31 947.65 It doesn't have to be , but we can . 946.73 947.65 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 946.753 953.552 946.92 953.47 W well it's a n it's a new remote and you don't buy a remote if you don't have anything to uh to control with it . 953.47 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 952.512 956.608 952.54 956.57 Well except if we deliver it together with our D_V_D_ . 956.57 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 953.552 953.936 953.58 953.936 Yeah but - TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 955.84 956.407 955.89 956.32 Yeah . 956.32 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 956.528 958.05 956.55 958.05 Yeah alright , but 957.48 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 956.928 960.045 956.95 960.045 We need to to keep it consistent with other d uh - TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 959.312 965.136 959.33 965.136 Yeah because we look at competitors and w if we pick up the good things about that and give it a nice design - TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 959.616 959.952 959.64 959.92 Well . 959.92 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 965.376 965.728 965.4 965.67 Hmm . 965.67 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 966.192 968.96 966.21 968.92 Yeah but it's it has to be useable . 968.92 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 967.568 969.488 967.59 969.45 It has to be different and familiar at the same time . 969.45 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 969.68 970.0 969.7 969.97 Yes . 969.97 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 970.144 970.448 970.16 970.41 Yeah . 970.41 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 970.368 976.59 970.39 976.51 Yeah . Yeah we could use another form or shape or colour , that kind of things . 971.43 975.68 976.51 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 972.544 972.768 972.61 972.72 Yep . 972.72 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 975.056 989.84 975.056 989.69 yeah the shape will will have to be recognised . I thought about uh like most uh remote controls uh are uh a long box shaped thing you can make it uh triangle shaped , but that's not uh very recognisable . 977.55 987.88 989.69 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 985.648 985.888 985.67 985.85 Yeah . 985.85 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 987.597 989.997 987.597 989.84 No . 989.84 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 988.288 991.968 988.31 991.968 Well we we could make more more oval or something , and and 990.99 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 988.668 989.256 988.89 989.04 Oo - TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 990.976 992.32 991.0 992.18 Oval ? 992.18 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 991.942 1004.35 992.27 1004.35 N we can use uh it as a as a game pad . So one hand has the beer , so the other hand uh 994.53 1001.32 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 992.639 993.058 992.71 993.058 I - TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 992.685 993.782 992.89 993.6 Yeah or so - TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 995.072 996.461 995.09 996.461 Mm . 995.54 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 995.44 997.152 995.47 997.152 Well yeah it's new . 997.0 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 995.776 996.584 995.776 996.584 . 996.584 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 997.22 1000.032 997.43 1000.032 Not with two hands . 999.9 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1001.312 1003.936 1001.33 1003.936 Yeah yeah yeah , right . No 1001.93 1002.85 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1002.947 1006.064 1002.947 1006.064 but young people want something different and it is - TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1006.096 1012.864 1006.12 1012.864 Well i we already uh one of our aims is that it has to be original and trendy so - TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1006.736 1009.863 1006.76 1009.71 Yeah but it's quite important that it fits . 1009.71 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1011.088 1011.745 1011.19 1011.66 Yeah . 1011.66 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1011.192 1011.661 1011.25 1011.47 Yeah . 1011.47 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1011.461 1017.632 1011.52 1017.632 Oh but it ha it has to be m yeah . But you still have to know it's a remote and not another 1014.7 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1017.696 1018.623 1017.72 1018.33 Yeah alright . 1018.33 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1017.856 1029.409 1017.88 1029.409 Well there has been done a lot of researches about remotes uh we have to we can imagine uh because it's a long time uh on the market . So the the form will have been uh tested out so 1024.65 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1024.832 1025.168 1024.85 1025.07 Yeah . 1025.07 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1028.309 1032.88 1028.97 1032.83 Yeah so the long box uh shaped thing must be uh , yeah , useful 1032.22 1032.41 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1033.264 1033.68 1033.28 1033.6 Yes . 1033.6 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1034.352 1036.643 1034.39 1036.57 or else uh they would have been ano another shape . 1036.57 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1034.465 1056.992 1034.48 1056.96 Well for me personally I have a a lot of remotes uh at home but those ones that have a a round ending and uh well uh just an uh square uh middle I don't like to use them . I have uh have to it has to fit my hands . When it falls over it and I just have and then the button that I use most has to be here . 1048.38 1051.92 1056.96 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1051.232 1051.6 1051.34 1051.56 Yeah . 1051.56 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1051.808 1052.491 1051.89 1052.36 Yeah . 1052.36 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1054.342 1055.573 1054.44 1055.49 It shouldn't be boxy . 1055.49 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1054.705 1060.329 1054.76 1060.14 Yeah . Yeah a lo the long box shape yeah . You have to use one hand . 1055.88 1057.87 1060.14 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1058.704 1063.776 1058.72 1063.72 It f it fits your hands and then you just push the button that you use most with thumb . 1063.72 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1059.183 1059.994 1059.4 1059.994 Nah - TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1062.368 1067.072 1062.39 1067.03 I don't agree with the long box uh shape it it has to be custom made for the hand . 1067.03 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1064.544 1065.056 1064.56 1064.97 Why not ? 1064.97 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1067.68 1069.29 1067.7 1068.99 Yeah it doesn't fit . 1068.99 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1068.544 1071.935 1068.56 1071.71 Tho tho those new D_V_D_ players on the market do have those . 1071.71 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1068.633 1069.135 1068.67 1068.98 Yeah . 1068.98 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1069.68 1073.792 1069.7 1073.792 But it does fit in the hand if you hold it like this , and you can make it another shape , but then you have 1071.55 1073.13 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1072.107 1073.338 1072.13 1073.338 Yeah but if you shape it - TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1073.904 1086.595 1073.93 1086.595 No if y if you look at new Phillips uh D_V_D_ with their uh remotes pl players they they are the new remotes aren't box shaped . They're all um 1085.62 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1074.189 1074.527 1074.26 1074.527 If - TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1079.072 1081.44 1079.09 1081.44 D_V_D_ players . Yes . 1079.76 1081.15 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1085.376 1086.928 1085.4 1086.79 W no w what else ? I di 1086.51 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1085.782 1087.84 1085.96 1087.8 No that's ol old fashioned . 1087.8 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1086.965 1087.551 1087.05 1087.551 Well - TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1088.176 1088.56 1088.2 1088.51 Yeah . 1088.51 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1088.864 1091.184 1088.88 1091.02 Yeah well but uh what what what do you suggest then ? 1091.02 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1089.104 1090.39 1089.12 1090.29 I can imagine that us - TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1089.393 1090.019 1089.6 1090.019 Yes uh - TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1091.104 1099.6 1091.12 1099.5 Well most of of them are are somewhat thicker at the end , and get um yeah thinner towards the uh the other end . 1094.86 1099.5 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1091.408 1091.648 1091.43 1091.648 Well - TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1094.96 1095.561 1094.98 1095.48 Yeah right . 1095.48 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1097.122 1098.495 1097.16 1098.29 It fits in your palms . 1098.29 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1100.192 1112.251 1100.21 1112.251 Hmm . Well but it's still then uh the the long box , uh but then with some uh round uh round forms in it to fit your hand , but it's it's still 1101.72 1105.27 1110.85 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1100.672 1101.008 1100.71 1100.96 Mm . 1100.96 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1106.763 1107.629 1106.98 1107.629 Yeah it - TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1107.628 1108.184 1107.75 1107.93 Hmm ? 1107.93 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1108.048 1108.352 1108.07 1108.352 Well - TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1109.281 1116.4 1109.47 1116.4 A it h it has it it has a that's tha th th shape that it fits your hand . That's 1115.45 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1109.622 1110.288 1109.77 1110.25 Um . 1110.25 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1114.032 1121.808 1114.38 1121.77 Yeah yeah al alright but but it's still it's still sort of box , yeah . It it has round forms but it in the end it's still the box , so that's what I mean . 1118.38 1118.57 1121.06 1121.77 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1117.056 1117.449 1117.056 1117.449 . 1117.449 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1118.885 1120.736 1118.885 1120.736 Well - TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1118.976 1119.765 1119.0 1119.59 Yeah yea - TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1124.0 1128.514 1124.02 1128.514 Yeah but it has it has to fit your hand . It shouldn't be too boxy , you know . It's 1126.66 1127.83 1128.16 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1126.208 1136.0 1126.23 1135.94 Yeah yeah I understand , but no no I don't mean an entire box like completely square but a also with round edges of course , but in in in at the end it's still this long 1127.08 1132.78 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1127.829 1128.835 1128.21 1128.78 Hmm . 1128.78 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1129.872 1130.928 1129.872 1130.89 No no no . 1130.89 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1132.779 1133.337 1132.779 1133.337 . 1133.337 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1132.944 1133.184 1132.96 1133.15 Yeah . 1133.15 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1136.208 1137.376 1136.23 1137.376 Yeah it should be - TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1136.612 1141.424 1136.612 1141.37 box shape with convenient uh round uh shapes uh - TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1141.792 1152.438 1141.81 1152.438 Right maybe something like this or and then a button here to switch between different systems like D_V_D_ player and so you can I've - TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1142.512 1143.543 1142.512 1143.47 to fit . 1143.47 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1145.008 1147.783 1145.03 1147.57 Yeah yes I thought about something like that . 1147.57 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1149.44 1149.648 1149.46 1149.61 Yeah . 1149.61 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1151.424 1154.032 1151.45 1153.49 A big recognisable button on top or something . 1153.49 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1153.152 1156.992 1153.17 1156.96 Yeah right , and I do think we have to keep this kind of idea 1154.18 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1156.912 1157.424 1156.94 1157.39 Yeah . 1157.39 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1158.64 1161.141 1158.66 1161.141 with the with the numbers and - TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1159.968 1163.128 1159.99 1163.128 We have five minutes left . So 1161.73 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1161.552 1169.024 1162.67 1168.97 The buttons should uh also be not too small , not too big , of course , and uh n uh uh not too close uh together . 1164.79 1165.17 1165.62 1168.97 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1162.499 1163.087 1162.69 1162.9 Right . 1162.9 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1165.648 1168.032 1165.67 1168.0 Yes uh that's yep . 1168.0 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1167.817 1171.84 1168.08 1171.71 But it should be possible to to um make it - TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1172.896 1180.0 1172.92 1179.94 ap apparent that there are two functions for every button . So there has to be some space between the buttons . Yeah . 1176.1 1179.74 1179.94 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1176.064 1176.272 1176.08 1176.24 Yep . 1176.24 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1176.304 1176.64 1176.32 1176.59 Uh-huh . 1176.59 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1179.088 1184.784 1179.11 1184.71 Yeah of course uh to uh to uh to have icons to explain the different functions . Yeah . 1184.45 1184.71 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1183.36 1186.24 1183.38 1186.11 Yeah right right , and maybe we should use colours . 1184.96 1186.11 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1186.672 1187.184 1186.69 1187.15 Colours , yeah . 1186.97 1187.15 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1186.864 1203.898 1186.88 1203.898 Yeah maybe we can um just like on cell phones those um well you can you can put on on them , and so you can customise your uh your own remote with different colours or or special paint jobs I dunno but 1195.81 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1193.616 1193.936 1193.64 1193.9 Yeah . 1193.9 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1195.52 1195.808 1195.56 1195.71 Ha . 1195.71 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1195.872 1196.805 1195.89 1196.65 That's kinda trendy . 1196.65 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1201.408 1201.92 1201.43 1201.83 Yeah right . 1201.83 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1202.758 1204.544 1203.24 1204.51 Sound nice . Yes . 1204.22 1204.51 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1204.656 1207.424 1204.68 1207.424 I think we have to talk also about uh the the materials for um - TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1208.544 1209.941 1208.56 1209.941 Well - TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1209.024 1219.439 1209.04 1219.27 Well it's just uh about our first ideas now so I think individually we'll have to uh come up with ideas for the next meeting about these materials and markets etcetera . Yes ? 1218.96 1219.27 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1209.773 1211.703 1209.773 1211.703 . 1211.703 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1215.855 1216.456 1216.01 1216.33 Right . 1216.33 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1217.255 1217.751 1217.28 1217.751 But - TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1218.461 1225.936 1218.461 1225.936 I think it's uh it's important to uh notate all the the decisions that we make , so we 1224.56 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1218.912 1220.576 1218.93 1220.576 Already thought about something tha - TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1223.824 1224.224 1223.84 1224.19 Yes . 1224.19 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1227.264 1231.12 1227.28 1231.12 Well thirty minutes we have . So um 1229.85 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1229.488 1229.84 1229.52 1229.79 Mm-hmm . 1229.79 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1232.848 1242.464 1232.87 1242.43 This is about uh what we are going to uh do uh . You'll get specific instructions when you're back in your room so uh it's uh logical uh . I think . 1236.19 1242.06 1242.43 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1238.041 1238.726 1238.38 1238.66 Yeah . 1238.66 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1239.024 1239.232 1239.024 1239.232 . 1239.232 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1242.174 1243.792 1242.174 1243.58 No problem . 1243.58 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1243.712 1251.952 1243.73 1251.9 Oh and uh that's uh that's all . So we'll just get a notice that the the meeting is uh over . Yeah yes say . 1246.1 1250.41 1251.9 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1249.776 1260.544 1249.8 1260.49 Yeah now we can still talk about the material , we have some some minutes left uh I w wrote down uh that the case should be plastic of course , hard plastic , the buttons should be uh rubbery I think uh . 1251.64 1257.01 1258.2 1260.49 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1251.428 1252.328 1251.71 1252.02 Mm . 1252.02 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1257.872 1258.192 1257.89 1258.13 Yeah . 1258.13 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1260.704 1261.968 1260.72 1261.93 Yeah it shouldn't be too heavy . 1261.93 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1261.376 1261.872 1261.376 1261.872 . 1261.872 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1262.384 1263.184 1262.4 1263.13 No n n - TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1262.603 1263.232 1262.603 1263.232 . 1263.232 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1262.72 1279.872 1262.85 1279.84 Well I have had remotes that um they had uh the function of the buttons was about uh uh a layer over the buttons and when I've had use it much it was gone . So it has to be made in the buttons I think . It has to uh not be loose . 1274.71 1277.82 1279.84 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1274.256 1275.906 1274.28 1275.82 Yeah that's bad , yeah . 1275.19 1275.82 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1274.416 1275.216 1274.44 1275.18 Yeah yeah yeah . 1275.18 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1278.652 1280.288 1279.05 1280.12 Yeah that's important . 1280.12 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1280.352 1287.856 1280.39 1287.81 Mm . Alright . And of course there are several electrical cables in it to uh to connect things uh to each other . 1281.54 1282.2 1287.81 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1284.976 1285.296 1285.03 1285.26 Yeah . 1285.26 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1286.64 1294.39 1286.66 1294.39 Is there an a universal uh universal way of um transmitting from the remote to the television so it's all about uh - TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1294.066 1295.552 1294.13 1295.5 Yeah it's univ yeah yeah yeah . 1295.5 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1294.208 1301.232 1294.23 1301.19 I think so . It's a a common stan standard way infrared beams an infrared beam I think . 1294.87 1301.19 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1295.472 1297.168 1295.49 1297.13 It's not that in China it's different ? 1297.13 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1297.632 1297.904 1297.65 1297.87 Yep . 1297.87 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1300.4 1300.736 1300.42 1300.7 Yeah . 1300.7 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1302.08 1306.558 1302.1 1306.558 But y you can have uh of course different between D_V_D_s and televisions and between - TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1303.28 1303.962 1303.3 1303.962 And you can use - TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1305.696 1312.72 1305.72 1312.66 It it's a we we make an a universal remote so it ha has to work with uh all kinds of brands and things . 1312.66 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1307.792 1308.096 1307.81 1308.06 Yeah . 1308.06 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1309.648 1309.984 1309.69 1309.95 Yeah . 1309.95 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1310.016 1310.674 1310.08 1310.53 Yeah . 1310.53 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1312.32 1316.038 1312.34 1316.038 But our T_V_s are mostly made in China and that sort of country , so 1315.26 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1315.008 1321.152 1315.008 1321.152 Probably yes . China rules . 1317.79 1320.84 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1321.072 1332.398 1321.09 1332.398 And have well yeah I've wrote something down about how it works . The user presses a button and with an infrared beam it signals the television set accordingly , but that's pretty obvious , I think . 1325.46 1330.13 1331.27 1332.32 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1328.192 1329.336 1328.21 1329.336 But are - TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1331.264 1336.352 1331.264 1336.31 Are we going w uh with the front uh fronts uh idea ? 1336.31 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1336.784 1340.736 1336.8 1340.7 Well I think uh w we can look into that in the in the next uh thirty minutes . Yeah . 1340.44 1340.7 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1338.016 1347.408 1338.04 1347.408 I think we should make it universal and you can always use a front front on it , you know ? You can use it just plain but you can 1343.71 1344.32 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1346.32 1346.608 1346.34 1346.57 Yes . 1346.57 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1346.655 1347.232 1346.655 1347.232 . 1347.232 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1347.936 1354.048 1348.05 1354.048 Well j just y you get a n a normal front with it , but you can change them uh when you buy the 1351.14 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1347.836 1349.152 1348.29 1349.12 To make it more trendy . 1349.12 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1351.28 1351.552 1351.3 1351.52 Yeah . 1351.52 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1352.752 1353.04 1352.79 1353.01 Right . 1353.01 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1353.13 1354.592 1353.3 1354.56 Yes . Yes . 1354.32 1354.56 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1354.096 1354.352 1354.12 1354.32 Right . 1354.32 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1355.264 1360.192 1355.28 1360.192 And we should uh dispatch those kind of fronts fronts a a around the world so uh - TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1358.072 1359.027 1358.34 1358.48 Mm . 1358.48 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1358.555 1360.607 1358.555 1360.45 Yeah . 1360.45 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1359.674 1363.456 1359.77 1363.39 Well you can make profit with them , and it's a way to make them trendy . 1360.95 1363.39 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1363.424 1370.976 1363.44 1370.89 Well th those fifty million don't uh don't se sells itself so we have to uh make uh some extra effort like fronts uh . 1370.89 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1370.527 1376.585 1370.63 1376.36 Well but th but the standard front will be uh just grey or something uh b a simple colour not not very flashy . 1376.36 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1370.96 1371.402 1370.98 1371.3 Yeah right . 1371.3 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1371.12 1371.92 1371.14 1371.76 Yeah alright . 1371.76 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1373.448 1374.936 1373.76 1374.85 Yeah normal . 1374.85 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1374.285 1386.528 1374.44 1386.528 Yes . Yeah well it has to it h it has to fit the the te television and D_V_D_ set we are going to sell , so if they are uh black and black black and silver we'll make them black and silver so 1375.14 1380.98 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1376.231 1377.921 1376.25 1377.87 No a colour everyone accepts . 1377.87 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1381.339 1381.937 1381.5 1381.7 Mm . 1381.7 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1382.389 1385.83 1382.91 1385.63 Pink television sets pink remote , . 1385.63 1385.63 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1383.737 1384.303 1383.93 1384.16 Mm . 1384.16 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1384.7 1385.792 1385.11 1385.75 Yeah yeah yeah . 1385.75 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1385.963 1386.608 1386.2 1386.45 Yeah . 1386.45 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1387.616 1388.544 1387.616 1388.34 standard . 1388.34 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1388.56 1392.808 1388.58 1392.69 But people of often don't like bright colours or something . We have to make it grey or s or black . 1391.18 1392.69 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1391.17 1391.548 1391.17 1391.548 . 1391.548 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1392.204 1395.127 1392.44 1395.04 Well young people s li - TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1393.824 1396.497 1393.96 1396.34 Yeah but then you can use a a front . 1396.34 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1396.192 1397.2 1396.21 1397.16 Yeah yeah , yeah . 1396.92 1397.16 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1398.88 1399.28 1398.96 1399.23 Alright . 1399.23 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1401.424 1402.416 1401.44 1401.74 Yeah . 1401.74 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1402.4 1405.024 1402.48 1405.024 I must not forget my pen the next time . 1404.35 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1403.456 1414.032 1403.48 1414.0 Well if if you yeah . If you have a a a television room for little children and you make a if if you buy a a pink front they'll they'll love it . I think . 1405.2 1413.49 1414.0 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1413.056 1413.344 1413.09 1413.31 Yeah . 1413.31 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1413.264 1414.019 1413.34 1413.93 Yeah that's right . 1413.93 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1414.928 1421.6 1414.95 1421.0 Yeah or a t Teletubby front . Yeah yeah yeah . I will investigate . 1418.29 1419.99 1421.0 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1415.072 1420.048 1415.09 1420.048 But that's uh marketing uh research you can uh you can ask uh . 1419.77 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1421.04 1421.547 1421.06 1421.45 Yes . 1421.45 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1423.472 1433.712 1423.49 1433.67 Well our user interface you can uh maybe uh I don't know what your specific instructions will be , but uh probably about uh the precision of the buttons and and those kind of things and what buttons will have to be on the 1427.94 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1434.848 1440.384 1434.87 1440.35 uh remote . And you will look into the technical design and um form , I think . 1435.66 1439.92 1440.35 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1440.72 1445.52 1440.84 1445.49 Mm yeah also the the look and feel uh of the the remote's also my task , yeah . 1445.26 1445.49 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1441.056 1442.311 1441.37 1442.24 Or something like that . 1442.24 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1443.52 1443.888 1443.54 1443.85 Yeah . 1443.85 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1445.744 1445.952 1445.76 1445.92 Yeah . 1445.92 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1446.128 1446.806 1446.19 1446.67 Right . 1446.67 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1446.4 1449.712 1446.42 1449.58 What's the uh url or the website 'cause I didn't - TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1448.544 1452.546 1448.56 1452.18 Yeah I uh w was wondering that too . Y you went to the company website . 1450.58 1452.18 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1450.415 1453.68 1450.59 1453.68 Euro ? Well it it it's if you uh 1452.06 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1450.51 1451.394 1450.6 1451.394 get - TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1450.91 1451.492 1451.06 1451.492 It's - TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1452.014 1454.782 1452.11 1454.782 Yeah yeah yeah just if you start up your Internet Explorer - TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1452.128 1452.984 1452.38 1452.86 Yeah . 1452.86 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1454.144 1456.719 1454.16 1456.719 It's the the the start uh starting page uh - TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1455.024 1458.176 1455.04 1458.09 Oh oh right oh well I didn't uh use it . 1458.09 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1456.32 1456.528 1456.34 1456.49 Yeah . 1456.49 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1458.016 1466.08 1458.04 1466.08 Finish meeting now . Oh alright . Well uh we're going to back uh back into our rooms so 1459.61 1462.0 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1464.382 1465.084 1464.48 1464.79 Yes . 1464.79 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1466.48 1467.136 1466.52 1467.06 Well that's great . 1467.06 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1466.064 1468.352 1467.09 1468.352 Next meeting is in - TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1468.288 1481.68 1468.31 1481.68 In thirty minutes , but uh I think it will be you will be warned uh through your laptop uh to get over here . I'll have to restore my uh my desktop uh because uh it's it's the half of the normal size . 1469.08 1474.82 1481.55 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1468.545 1469.39 1468.57 1469.29 Thirty minutes . 1469.29 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1468.962 1469.905 1469.06 1469.73 Thirty minutes . 1469.73 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1471.187 1475.088 1471.36 1475.088 Yeah alright it's it's handy to know - TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1475.086 1476.48 1475.086 1476.39 Very handy to know . 1476.39 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1476.727 1479.568 1476.727 1479.568 It's totally broken . 1479.39 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1482.208 1484.144 1482.23 1483.97 Right see you in half an hour then . 1483.97 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1482.675 1487.451 1482.73 1487.451 Oh right , oh . Ma 1483.51 1486.29 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1482.753 1485.91 1482.77 1485.91 Oh . Goodbye . 1484.39 1485.4 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1485.839 1486.363 1486.01 1486.07 W - TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1486.217 1486.785 1486.43 1486.785 Oh - TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1487.373 1488.046 1487.51 1487.97 S - TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1488.675 1492.565 1488.8 1491.78 W that was a nice meeting . 1491.78 TS3009a D MTD036ME 3 1492.17 1493.694 1492.17 1493.694 . 1493.694 TS3009a B MTD035UID 1 1492.748 1494.396 1492.748 1494.396 . 1494.396 TS3009a C MTD034ID 2 1495.033 1498.796 1495.34 1498.796 Right uh see you in thirty minutes then . 1498.72 TS3009a A MTD033PM 0 1495.869 1499.641 1496.15 1499.641 Yeah , see you . 1496.58 1499.43 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 61.445 64.023 61.63 63.82 Great man . Who starts ? 63.26 63.82 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 64.448 70.544 64.47 70.51 Well I'll uh start just with another presentation , so then we can uh look at th at the agenda uh for this meeting . 66.97 70.51 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 66.896 67.967 67.1 67.67 Alright , great . 67.42 67.67 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 70.713 71.382 70.84 71.19 Alright . 71.19 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 73.136 75.238 73.136 75.04 Okay . 75.04 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 76.64 79.725 76.66 79.55 I've put some uh new things in the in the map . 79.55 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 79.904 80.557 79.99 80.42 Mm-hmm . 80.42 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 81.248 83.057 81.28 83.057 Uh oh . 82.26 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 83.968 84.576 83.99 84.49 This is it . 84.49 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 85.824 97.696 85.84 97.66 I don't know the shortcut , so Ah F_ five . Well our functional design meeting , that's the stage we're in . And you also ha all three of you have uh prepared something about it . 87.64 90.01 92.2 94.14 97.66 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 93.43 94.401 93.61 94.2 Mm . 94.2 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 97.898 98.528 98.07 98.49 Yes . 98.49 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 99.728 109.136 99.75 109.136 Well um in we'll uh just have a look at the at the notes from the previous meeting , what we uh thought we had dec decided . But uh 106.24 108.74 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 110.72 117.129 110.82 116.9 Uh then we'll uh look at uh the three uh presentations uh from you . 116.9 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 117.622 118.225 117.77 118.02 'Kay . 118.02 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 117.823 130.861 117.84 130.69 I think you have prepared uh all three uh ? Um we'll look at th the new project requirements we uh I dunno . Y you also have uh received that mail , the new project requirements from our bosses ? 122.35 125.95 128.59 130.69 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 119.418 120.422 119.64 120.18 Well , yeah . 119.97 120.18 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 120.334 120.836 120.42 120.72 Yeah . 120.72 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 131.456 134.284 131.48 134.284 No . 133.88 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 131.872 134.848 131.99 134.848 No . You're the only one . 133.27 134.53 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 132.288 142.304 132.31 142.27 Oh I've received a mail with uh some additional requirements , and I'll have a look if Well I think we should show them before your presentations , because it's not really uh 136.61 140.7 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 136.125 136.962 136.28 136.67 Oh . 136.67 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 136.256 136.941 136.32 136.68 Alright . 136.68 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 143.568 158.272 143.6 158.24 smart uh to uh to include some things uh we can't , because of the new requirements . Well um then we can make some decisions about our remote control functions . We have to deb we have to decide it in this meeting what our function will be . 147.49 149.44 154.34 158.24 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 148.879 149.515 149.01 149.2 'Kay . 149.2 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 159.52 164.264 159.54 164.264 And then uh we can discuss uh some more closely . Uh 163.9 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 163.542 166.455 163.71 166.19 We have forty minutes for this uh discussion ? 166.19 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 165.632 174.08 165.65 174.0 Uh yeah , I think so . Well uh the closing uh we'll not uh look at it yet . 166.38 169.76 174.0 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 167.894 168.698 168.11 168.4 Alright . 168.4 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 174.816 175.326 174.84 175.25 Alright . 175.25 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 175.68 180.416 175.7 180.37 Um now I'll look at show this board . 180.37 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 184.752 185.632 184.77 185.632 Um - TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 186.848 188.624 186.95 188.59 Well uh notes , first meeting . 187.88 188.59 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 191.504 191.874 191.52 191.76 Now . 191.76 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 192.784 201.584 192.8 201.51 I gave a disc a a presentation . Uh we familiarised ourself with the boards and then we discussed some first ideas . So 195.21 201.21 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 202.608 203.659 202.63 203.52 we said that uh - TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 204.736 229.808 204.76 229.77 we have to merge the strong points from our uh competitors , and uh look at their uh remote controls . We should make it uh compatible with our new D_V_D_ and other releases we have , our technical releases . Uh not too many one buttons . One recognisable button in the middle , where you do the most important functions with . And um well they can have two functions , because uh you have a D_V_D_ and a television . 208.19 210.91 215.89 217.74 219.51 222.02 224.75 227.65 229.77 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 208.0 208.466 208.05 208.25 Right . 208.25 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 216.302 217.273 216.69 217.03 Huh ? 217.03 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 229.856 230.862 229.856 230.5 Yeah . 230.5 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 230.832 235.072 230.89 235.04 Um the design has to fit the hand , be original , but also be familiar . 233.31 234.03 235.04 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 236.512 253.68 236.512 253.53 It's uh one of our ideas . Yeah well that wa It's just thirty minutes ago , so it's not quite uh But well I have to do it . The materials uh well should be hard plastic with rubber from , and uh well the labelling of the buttons should be indestructible . 239.64 242.43 246.58 250.41 253.53 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 243.648 245.216 243.648 245.18 Yeah . 245.18 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 243.541 245.047 243.71 244.67 Mm-hmm , now it's right . 244.1 244.67 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 253.68 260.352 253.71 260.32 It should be uh recognisable at all times . Yes . Well fronts were to be just like mobile telephones . 256.5 257.73 260.32 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 254.188 256.833 254.28 256.833 It's meant to be easily wiped out , yeah . 255.72 256.55 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 256.048 256.617 256.16 256.53 Mm . 256.53 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 256.834 257.504 256.91 257.42 Okay . 257.42 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 261.792 273.609 261.81 273.39 And uh the technical aspects um And also labelling of the buttons , the functions should be universal standards . Well that's just uh some ideas from the first meeting . It's quite logical al all of it . 264.79 268.23 271.25 273.39 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 270.73 271.4 270.95 271.19 Mm-hmm . 271.19 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 275.104 279.2 275.12 279.16 Um now the new project requirements , I'll just show them . I got this mail 277.07 278.26 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 281.508 288.528 281.61 288.45 from uh our bosses . Well , teletext goes out . We will not use teletext . 283.55 284.85 286.99 288.45 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 286.85 287.553 286.97 287.11 Oh . 287.11 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 288.816 289.216 288.89 289.18 Okay . 289.18 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 289.824 293.68 289.84 293.68 Maybe a new sort of thing , but n but not teletext . Well 291.25 293.46 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 289.8 294.436 289.93 294.25 I I disagree , but uh it's not uh t it's not my place to disagree I guess . 290.81 294.25 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 294.864 296.432 294.88 296.23 the second is a bit - TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 298.192 306.518 298.21 306.44 sh pity because we just said we wanted to d include the D_V_D_ and they don't want it , because of our time we have for this project . 303.79 306.44 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 300.544 301.18 300.59 301.02 Oh . 301.02 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 303.793 304.396 303.96 304.32 Alright . 304.32 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 305.951 307.357 306.28 307.09 Oh , alright . 306.76 307.09 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 306.724 308.13 306.86 307.92 Oh , that's a shame . 307.08 307.92 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 307.52 314.848 307.54 314.81 So that's a shame , because uh especially for the third requirement we want to reach people under the thirty years . 308.75 314.81 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 316.368 329.607 316.39 329.46 Because uh we don't have those customers a lot at th at this point . Um well it's a bit pity because it's just those people want to have uh one remote control for all those technical devices they can uh reach it . 320.28 329.46 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 327.163 327.699 327.23 327.48 Yeah . 327.48 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 328.79 333.2 328.95 332.94 But let's forget about it . It's just time-consuming , so we uh have to go on . 329.96 331.17 332.94 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 330.792 331.273 330.87 331.2 Yeah . 331.2 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 332.632 356.504 332.75 356.34 Well and uh our corporate image should stay rec recognisable in our products . So uh we have to uh use uh maybe a slogan , maybe a colour , and um Yeah well uh on our remote controls the design has to be uh , well as we already said a actually , uh familiar . Uh not only just uh the shape but also our company . 336.98 340.77 342.27 347.53 349.35 350.75 356.34 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 350.152 350.922 350.34 350.69 Yes . 350.69 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 358.187 373.857 358.35 373.61 Yeah , we are a real fashionable company . I read uh I read it on the I didn't know what company we were , but we we design uh especially trendy uh trendy trendy stuff . So it has to be uh a modern design . That's important to know , uh when you design a thing of course . 358.66 361.76 364.83 369.38 371.32 372.22 373.61 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 362.8 368.498 362.82 368.39 Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . 363.35 367.91 368.39 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 362.773 366.825 362.86 366.825 Yeah . 366.73 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 363.312 363.851 363.39 363.43 Mm . 363.43 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 369.776 370.339 369.8 370.17 Okay . 370.17 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 373.536 382.176 373.56 382.14 Yes . I I uh noted uh our uh slogan that we have , our company . It's uh we mm put the fashion in electronics . 374.32 377.86 379.03 382.14 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 382.313 382.882 382.44 382.67 Yeah . 382.67 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 383.072 383.776 383.15 383.55 Right . 383.55 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 383.488 400.728 383.51 400.62 So maybe that's a slogan we can put uh somewhere on our remote control or something . Alright then um we're going to uh have three presentations . You want to start ? Oh you have to start ? I didn't see anything about uh who had to start . Well s then start . 388.29 392.36 395.63 396.25 399.22 400.62 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 387.349 387.951 387.46 387.83 Yeah . 387.83 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 391.207 391.743 391.29 391.53 Yeah . 391.53 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 393.651 405.28 393.86 405.0 Yeah . I think I have to start . Oh no , no problem . I I just have to uh to think which file's mine , 'cause I was uh bit in a hurry . 394.56 397.54 398.29 399.7 403.43 405.0 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 397.815 399.49 397.815 399.49 The order ? No . 398.75 399.28 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 399.101 399.745 399.24 399.61 Mm . 399.61 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 404.928 406.202 404.97 406.202 Okay . Well uh 405.68 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 406.713 408.354 406.81 408.16 I think it's this one . 408.16 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 409.224 410.363 409.32 410.08 But I'm not sure . 410.08 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 419.072 421.984 419.072 421.95 You already uh opened uh PowerPoint . 421.95 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 420.14 422.483 420.35 422.3 Hmm ? Yeah . S 421.45 422.12 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 423.186 423.722 423.25 423.63 Right . 423.63 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 425.22 435.881 425.43 435.79 Yes . This is it . Well , I'm going to tell you something about functional requirements . Um to start with these points . Uh next sheet ? 425.86 426.85 427.95 431.18 434.7 435.79 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 426.096 426.432 426.12 426.37 Yeah . 426.37 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 430.464 430.919 430.49 430.71 Mm-hmm . 430.71 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 437.296 450.93 437.37 450.79 Um at first I tell you something about what people dislike about the current uh controls , because it's uh a smart thing to exclude those things . Uh , furthermore it's very important what they do like and what they do use . 443.49 446.97 447.32 450.79 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 450.93 467.751 450.93 467.6 Um then I tell something about um the most important issues . So we have to focus on those three thing three things . And in the end I'll um show you our target audience or our target product users , customers . 456.9 459.97 467.02 467.6 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 468.832 473.168 468.85 473.13 Well , um the first findings are that people um 469.91 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 474.16 477.756 474.2 477.66 think most controls are very kind of ug ugly . 477.66 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 478.72 486.928 478.74 486.928 That's seventy five per cent of the current users . They don't like it , so we might think about fronts in that section . Um 482.21 482.92 486.33 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 488.336 501.152 488.42 501.12 They also say , that's about uh I thought it was fifty per cent , uh that more money will be spent on uh better looking controls . So it's very important that you design a a nice looking control . 489.34 492.73 497.03 501.12 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 504.89 511.92 504.89 511.79 Um the current user uses his machine just about - TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 513.424 532.288 513.44 532.24 well all of the time for a few functions . Uh , almost every user uses it d the the control for just ten per cent of its capacity . So it's really important to make the the buttons for the common uh tasks kind of big or kind of uh flashy . 516.33 516.98 523.88 532.24 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 535.328 550.032 535.35 550.0 Furthermore , it's uh seventy five per cent of the users uh zaps a lot . Thus it might be uh might be smart to make a a big uh zapping button or something in the middle , so you can reach it with your thumb . Yeah , yeah right . 535.95 540.68 546.69 548.83 549.47 550.0 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 545.825 551.12 545.825 551.12 You can zap away . Yeah . 549.45 550.79 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 549.335 549.837 549.45 549.57 Yeah . 549.57 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 553.296 553.696 553.32 553.58 Right . 553.58 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 554.944 582.64 554.96 582.64 A lot of losers um users lose their controls in their in their living room . So it might be sensible to make some kind of a button on your television , that's your um your control beeps or something , that you can find this very easily . I dunno , maybe that's an idea . 'Cause it's uh a big I think fifty per cent of the users loses his its control , within the same room . So 561.66 566.43 569.8 571.27 572.02 573.95 580.73 582.22 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 570.187 570.656 570.22 570.6 Yeah . 570.6 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 570.553 575.91 570.553 575.91 Well - TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 573.85 574.767 574.21 574.41 Oh . 574.41 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 579.803 580.808 579.803 580.7 Oh ? 580.7 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 580.399 582.709 580.399 582.33 Yeah . 582.33 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 580.544 597.152 580.56 597.12 It should actually uh It should actually be loose from the television , because it can also be used for other televisions . So if you deliver a small uh click-on device that you can put on your television , that bleeps to your remote control , everyone can use it . No you can click it on your television . 583.78 586.07 591.66 594.0 595.74 597.12 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 593.952 596.42 593.97 596.18 Yeah but what if you lose your click-on device ? 596.18 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 597.6 601.392 597.62 601.36 Yeah but if someone d somebody else uses it in ano other room or something ? 601.36 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 601.824 605.62 601.824 605.55 Yeah in another room , yeah . Well yes . 603.61 604.2 605.55 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 603.786 609.472 603.99 609.44 Nee but it it specifically says it's uh the the control is lost in the same room . 609.44 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 609.713 610.684 609.98 610.38 Mm-hmm . 610.38 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 610.288 610.744 610.32 610.54 Yeah . 610.54 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 610.624 611.296 610.78 611.296 So - TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 612.233 631.653 612.32 631.55 Well a beeping device would be Uh furthermore the learning time is a problem . Uh thirty four thirty four per cent um thinks it's it's too uh too difficult to learn . So the the learning curve should be very short uh for the dumbest people should be able to use it . 617.65 625.45 631.55 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 612.787 614.642 612.92 614.61 Well we'll have a look at it , yeah . 614.23 614.61 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 631.639 637.666 631.86 637.666 I think our uh user uh expert should also consider manual a manual for the remote , of course . Uh 636.69 637.14 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 637.056 638.592 637.08 638.56 Yeah but people don't read manuals . 638.56 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 638.938 644.061 639.07 643.78 I didn't read it ? Oh , alright . users to uh add one ? Do you think ? 640.11 640.71 641.1 643.38 643.78 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 640.144 640.69 640.17 640.58 No . 640.58 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 640.152 640.687 640.28 640.57 No . 640.57 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 644.752 645.602 644.82 645.602 I don't think - TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 644.842 651.304 645.09 651.22 I think you should put more time in the in the design of uh pick up and use , than a manual . 650.31 651.22 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 648.013 648.482 648.04 648.45 Yeah . 648.45 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 649.952 653.302 649.98 653.21 Mm-hmm . Yeah alright . Because they don't use it ? Alright . 651.19 651.8 652.74 653.21 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 650.022 656.852 650.17 656.852 Yes you should You should could take a look at it and and and know how it how it's supposed to work . 656.74 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 651.102 651.839 651.4 651.52 Yep . 651.52 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 655.696 656.728 655.72 656.44 Yeah . Right . 656.19 656.44 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 656.153 659.029 656.19 658.84 Well there sh should always be a menu , but it c can be very short . 657.66 658.84 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 657.872 661.264 657.89 661.23 And it should be consistent with consistent with older remotes . 661.23 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 658.527 663.136 658.61 663.1 Yeah but nobody reads a manual about a remote control , I think . 662.86 663.1 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 663.68 664.698 663.72 664.53 Yes okay . 664.53 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 664.149 670.545 664.37 670.48 Well maybe for the If you don't recognise a button who d who d who do I call uh wh when I don't know it ? 670.48 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 664.684 665.354 664.82 665.21 Alright . 665.21 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 669.21 675.485 669.37 675.485 Yeah right . It sh it should be there , the manual . But but not to explain how the remote works . Only 669.75 670.66 671.21 673.98 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 674.796 683.104 674.86 683.07 And we don't have much time . So it's better to uh put our attention to the the design . So you can pick up and use it , than I think . 675.96 680.24 682.01 683.07 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 682.518 686.961 682.72 686.89 Well we are a design team , we can say to some uh writer uh make a manual point . 683.87 686.89 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 683.236 683.839 683.37 683.67 Hmm . 683.67 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 686.28 687.424 686.51 687.39 Yeah right , right . 687.14 687.39 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 686.542 690.125 686.542 689.98 Isn't it part of the of the u No . No . Never mind . 689.16 689.63 689.98 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 687.564 688.143 687.61 688.04 So - TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 689.568 691.659 689.59 691.55 Well we'll have a look . Um yes ? 690.6 691.55 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 690.544 709.792 690.56 709.792 Next point . Um R_S_I_ . Well that's about twenty per cent I thought . But uh the designer should uh take it uh should uh Wie zeg ik dat ? Yeah , consider the consequences of using your remote . It should be a good in your hand . 691.6 693.87 697.16 705.38 705.81 707.98 709.48 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 704.321 705.694 704.53 705.47 Consider the m - TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 707.87 708.507 708.01 708.34 Yeah . 708.34 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 709.578 710.248 709.64 709.91 Mm-hmm . 709.91 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 710.181 710.583 710.31 710.48 Yep . 710.48 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 715.056 738.752 715.08 738.752 Right , this is the most important part . Um , we're Like the requirements said , we're gonna specify of we're gonna target a younger audience . Um , that's about sixty per cent of the market , so it's uh quite important . Um research shows that they like to have a little L_C_D_ screen on their on their uh zapping uh device . Uh 715.67 717.76 718.56 720.43 725.35 726.68 728.3 730.66 738.34 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 740.32 750.8 740.34 750.77 I thought it was the age between sixteen and twenty , ninety nine per cent of uh the people like that . So it's very important we should definitely have that in our uh designs . 744.33 746.79 750.77 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 740.219 740.916 740.44 740.916 Well - TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 751.008 758.224 751.03 758.224 Well with twelve Euro fifty as production cost , we can't uh afford an L_C_D_ uh 755.91 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 756.086 758.262 756.41 757.95 It's going to be expensive . Yeah . 757.68 757.95 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 757.039 757.943 757.19 757.5 No . 757.5 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 758.384 763.648 758.4 763.648 Yeah but they think it's really important . So if we want to s If we have a big 761.27 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 761.468 762.305 761.7 762.12 Yeah . 762.12 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 764.903 771.808 764.903 771.808 If we make lots of uh of the stuff , maybe we can uh buy it very cheap , I dunno . We have to uh 767.7 770.16 771.03 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 772.923 774.497 772.94 774.33 Well we'll uh consider it uh . 774.33 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 773.268 783.426 773.39 783.426 Well Yeah well uh it's your your task to uh look into the costs uh of those uh Nigh I know . 783.22 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 775.368 776.807 775.55 776.807 We'll think abo we'll think - TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 778.028 781.632 778.13 781.632 Yeah , I don't know . I don't have any information on that . So 778.48 779.03 780.53 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 780.423 783.47 780.64 783.43 No , we'll look we'll look into that later . Alright ? 780.88 782.89 783.43 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 782.816 790.631 782.88 790.631 Right . And uh another thing is uh speech uh recognition . They also like that , but research is very uh costly . So 783.55 786.84 787.61 790.09 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 789.95 792.752 790.03 792.68 I think that's uh difficult to realise also . 792.68 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 793.184 794.208 793.2 794.208 Yeah , but 793.73 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 795.232 797.584 795.25 797.55 it it might be important for the sale . 797.55 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 797.04 799.331 797.06 799.17 We have very demanding clients . 799.17 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 798.32 802.199 798.34 802.199 It's not yet a standard uh development uh those so - TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 800.899 805.184 801.03 805.05 No and we have customers in multiple uh countries I think . 805.05 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 802.457 809.36 802.48 809.33 Well I do think L_C_D_ is more reachable than the speech recognition . So we might consider L_C_D_ screens . 807.52 809.33 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 802.86 803.358 802.92 803.16 We sh - TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 806.284 807.456 806.35 807.37 Yeah absolutely . 807.37 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 806.704 807.44 806.81 807.14 Yeah . 807.14 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 810.454 811.961 810.454 811.84 No . 811.84 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 810.528 818.02 810.55 817.83 Yeah , yeah , alright . Well we'll consider both and and see what uh what what we can find , I think . We don't rule them out uh yet . 810.94 811.13 811.44 814.77 815.81 817.83 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 815.344 816.051 815.41 815.85 Alright . 815.85 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 815.411 815.886 815.57 815.77 Yep . 815.77 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 818.609 819.199 818.71 818.97 'Kay . 818.97 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 818.629 822.144 818.72 822.144 Alright . Um , I think that's it . Um 819.92 820.39 821.32 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 821.451 822.021 821.64 821.9 Alright . 821.9 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 823.551 824.689 823.65 824.31 I think - TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 825.52 826.966 825.54 826.9 it is sensible - TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 828.572 833.584 828.62 833.55 to u uh to take this take these points into the notes . So you can Right . 831.93 833.55 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 831.81 832.547 831.93 832.4 Yes . 832.4 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 834.0 836.672 834.02 836.64 Well you I c I can uh still see your presentation . 836.64 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 837.042 838.482 837.18 838.27 Yeah . Right . 837.46 838.27 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 838.0 843.168 838.02 843.168 It's in the Well uh next um I dunno who is next . You uh got uh 842.13 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 842.817 845.429 843.08 845.26 Shall I give a technical talk ? Alright . 844.95 845.26 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 843.185 844.39 843.44 844.28 Oh you go . 844.28 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 844.736 846.469 844.76 846.33 Yes . Well go ahead . 845.69 846.33 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 849.729 855.664 849.97 855.63 Well uh it is my task to uh explain uh or to point out a working design . 855.63 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 856.211 856.746 856.33 856.53 Yip . 856.53 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 858.256 864.128 858.256 863.69 We have that here . Okay , how do you enlarge it , so that you can have the F_ F_ five . 860.31 860.56 861.39 863.69 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 861.648 862.21 861.67 862.13 F_ five . 862.13 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 864.048 865.144 864.048 864.98 F_ five . 864.98 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 865.456 868.448 865.48 868.448 Yep . Well , the working design , that's my uh 866.73 866.92 867.71 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 866.232 870.928 866.44 870.928 Alright . Next button . 869.24 870.71 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 870.912 892.768 871.12 892.768 Well alright uh , you know who I am and what I do . So uh we have this . It's a bit uh unclear because I wanted to copy paste something . It was originally in black and white but it became black and purple . But I think you can read it . Um well um I think it's important uh for you to realise the basic function of a remote control . Uh well you can see uh 871.83 873.77 875.02 878.52 882.04 884.23 890.52 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 878.486 879.29 878.59 879.08 Oh right . 879.08 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 881.504 882.896 881.52 882.68 Purple . 882.68 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 883.683 885.424 883.72 885.25 Yeah , yeah , yeah . A bit . 883.98 884.25 884.7 885.25 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 892.522 895.77 892.7 895.56 Maybe you can select it . So it uh inverts . 893.71 895.56 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 896.768 900.987 896.79 900.61 And I then can select I can select on the dings It goes to the next page . 900.61 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 898.96 902.4 898.96 902.37 the p the whole picture . Nah , uh never mind . 901.46 901.58 902.37 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 901.674 903.402 901.82 903.402 Click . 903.28 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 902.32 927.074 902.34 926.94 Well , you can read it , it's not too difficult . Meanwhile , this is a schematic uh um view of uh how a basic remote control works . You have uh basically uh the energy , the power of the of the remote control , uh and the sender , w which is the LED , the the the the the the the the the bulb that sends the the infrared beam to the , no , to the set . 902.58 903.15 903.99 904.46 911.45 914.13 917.45 918.89 920.09 926.17 926.52 926.94 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 903.382 904.822 903.57 904.71 Yeah , go ahead . 903.87 904.71 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 925.161 925.763 925.29 925.67 Yeah . 925.67 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 926.5 927.27 926.75 926.96 Alright . 926.96 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 927.074 947.76 927.55 947.73 And uh the source is of course the user . Uh the user interface is um uh the the the buttons of course . And the the user interface sends uh the the different signals of the different buttons to the chip , and the chip uh sends it to the LED , and the LED sends it to the receiver . That's the that's the basic idea . Very basic . 929.28 934.97 941.69 943.92 945.45 947.27 947.73 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 946.387 946.856 946.52 946.74 Yep . 946.74 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 949.888 965.764 949.91 965.31 Um well I have uh uh put it in a in in in a a couple of basic steps . Uh the remote uh is basically just waiting for a user to press a key . It does nothing until uh of course uh the key is pressed . 959.16 962.7 965.31 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 965.764 989.952 965.98 989.89 The key a signal to a chip , uh the chip senses the connection . uh and recognise the key . So well you understand . The chip uh produces Morse code , um a specific code to indicate that specific button that is pressed , of course . And it uses transistors in the in the remote control to amplify and to send uh that signal again to the to the LED , which is the bulb , of course . 967.39 969.59 971.53 973.43 975.38 979.46 979.82 988.33 989.55 989.89 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 989.952 1003.526 990.45 1003.46 Now the LED produces an infrared beam and signals the , well it's uh very simple , and signals the uh signals to the sensor on the T_V_ set , and the T_V_ set uh also recognises the the the signal , and performs the assigned task . 992.73 993.93 997.5 1002.22 1003.46 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 994.976 995.428 995.0 995.29 Yeah . 995.29 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1003.76 1013.099 1003.78 1013.099 So it is also why we have to have a button that says uh I'm now busy with a D_V_D_ uh if we had done that . And a button for T_V_ . So 1010.58 1012.72 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1010.61 1029.681 1010.87 1029.681 Ah bu Yeah , but we don't . Uh we No no , but Yeah . Exactly . Uh well this is uh the basic uh function of a remote . I've some couple of pictures here . It's a very basic one . And uh if we if we're going to add an uh an uh L_C_D_ screen to it , it uh won't look anything like this , but 1011.57 1012.06 1013.11 1015.04 1015.76 1020.37 1021.39 1022.96 1027.64 1029.12 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1029.681 1045.6 1029.83 1045.56 This is very basic uh basically the the shape of um of a remote control . It has uh very little buttons and But it it uh it's it's quite um Yeah , you can easily recognise the buttons . They're uh far enough apart and an anything . It's not very um 1033.97 1040.31 1041.57 1044.3 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1046.556 1048.11 1046.69 1048.11 High tech . 1047.77 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1046.8 1066.224 1046.83 1066.19 uh not very high-tech uh indeed , and it's not very user-friendly . Uh if you look at the shape , it's uh just a simple long box uh shape . So we have to uh change a little bit uh to that , uh so that uh it becomes more user-friendly , and that uh problems like uh R_S_I_ and uh those kinds of thing don't don't oc don't occur . Yeah . 1049.06 1051.02 1052.09 1054.99 1056.97 1060.69 1066.0 1066.19 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1063.129 1063.899 1063.35 1063.82 Right . 1063.82 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1064.81 1089.664 1064.95 1089.22 Can I say something ? Um I have a table here about uh the l the relevance of the buttons . Uh the power button is used very much , channel selection , volume and teletext . Well teletext is not an option , so that uh But I think it's very important to make um the power , channel and volume buttons uh near to the thumb , so you can't have R_S_I_ uh consequences . 1066.49 1071.24 1073.61 1074.86 1077.04 1078.35 1083.1 1086.08 1089.22 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1078.252 1078.821 1078.35 1078.65 Mm-hmm . 1078.65 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1089.168 1092.935 1089.19 1092.935 Yeah , because they are the the most important buttons and you can immediately 1089.5 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1091.031 1095.016 1091.18 1094.78 Right . Make them big , make them easy to uh to press . 1091.99 1092.69 1094.78 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1094.16 1111.35 1094.18 1111.17 Well but but if you have um the most used buttons all in one place , and you keep making the same um well moves . But if y if you would put it at a different place , then you have to move your hands , and that's on of the things about R_S_I_ . 1100.39 1104.43 1106.78 1108.79 1111.17 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1094.578 1096.888 1094.73 1096.66 You don't have to look and and search for them . 1096.66 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1094.648 1096.423 1094.75 1096.423 You can also like - TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1096.824 1097.46 1096.95 1097.34 Right . 1097.34 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1103.52 1105.027 1103.72 1104.72 Yeah , right . Right . 1103.91 1104.53 1104.72 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1103.689 1106.702 1103.75 1106.702 Yeah , I was thinking you can 1104.14 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1109.696 1112.928 1109.72 1112.78 Yeah , that's right . That's right . That's right . We 1109.95 1111.46 1111.92 1112.64 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1109.715 1113.332 1109.89 1113.332 Are some of the the the um - TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1112.122 1116.107 1112.37 1115.97 Well you you can't have any uh every button under the thumb , of course . 1115.36 1115.97 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1115.504 1121.41 1115.52 1121.24 No but the most important buttons m maybe you can just put them a bit apart so you would - TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1115.938 1116.288 1116.03 1116.288 But - TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1119.822 1122.969 1119.9 1122.969 Yeah . That's very important . And 1121.22 1122.09 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1122.098 1124.491 1122.21 1124.3 reject R_ R_S_I_ R_S_I_ . 1124.3 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1123.68 1137.216 1123.7 1137.18 Maybe you can make , for for channel changing , two little buttons on the side of the remote , so you can just do like this . Like some uh little uh Gameboy things or some Hmm ? 1125.48 1126.78 1129.41 1131.93 1137.18 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1132.56 1136.531 1132.59 1136.31 Yes I've saw that on m on mi mobile telephones they also have uh those buttons . 1136.31 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1134.992 1141.744 1135.18 1141.71 But is that is that useable ? Do people , uh when they pick up a remote , know that they have to do that ? 1137.39 1138.5 1140.63 1141.71 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1143.232 1149.552 1143.25 1149.52 It's a f it's a new feature , you can make make a double feature l like a button on the top and under it . 1144.87 1149.52 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1143.381 1144.017 1143.47 1144.017 Well - TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1144.32 1145.316 1144.34 1145.316 Well it it's - TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1145.046 1145.716 1145.14 1145.45 Yeah . 1145.45 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1145.624 1147.064 1145.74 1147.064 Yeah alright , but 1146.26 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1149.184 1155.999 1149.29 1155.77 Yeah , but if you s say them up and down , they they'll understand it , I think . Eighty per cent would . 1149.51 1152.15 1154.19 1154.98 1155.77 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1149.472 1153.288 1149.49 1153.288 Well also i if someone puts picks up his uh remote - TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1154.881 1168.789 1154.9 1168.58 Yeah . If someone puts up i uh picks up his remote , and he picks up it he he touches the side then he's a already on the next channel . That's very irritating , I think . Well . No . 1155.98 1157.97 1162.36 1164.0 1165.08 1168.13 1168.58 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1154.917 1157.059 1155.11 1156.62 Well , . 1156.62 1156.62 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1160.712 1165.064 1160.91 1164.85 Yeah , he feels it immediately . Yeah , that's right . Yeah . 1161.18 1163.41 1163.63 1164.67 1164.85 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1162.261 1163.366 1162.33 1162.92 Yeah that's true . 1162.92 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1164.705 1166.044 1164.82 1166.044 Yeah but - TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1165.856 1168.64 1165.88 1168.64 Right , continue . Sorry . 1166.14 1166.75 1168.49 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1166.736 1184.26 1166.79 1183.78 But in e in any case the the basic function should be uh indeed , and as you say at the thumb . I think that's a good idea , and uh and that the less important uh buttons , like the the the different channels , uh the numbers one two three four five as well , should be uh yeah well not in reach , because uh they don't use it uh all the time . 1169.83 1170.8 1171.9 1175.06 1176.61 1178.39 1180.83 1183.78 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1184.26 1195.685 1184.36 1195.54 Well it's uh pretty pretty basically uh as you said . And I have some pictures of the inside workings , but uh I don't want to get too technical , because uh that's not uh very uh useful for you . 1187.42 1189.44 1191.11 1195.54 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1185.929 1186.375 1186.0 1186.21 Yep . 1186.21 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1191.328 1191.908 1191.36 1191.66 Mm-hmm . 1191.66 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1194.182 1195.789 1194.36 1195.12 Yeah , that's right . 1194.58 1195.12 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1194.421 1197.459 1194.421 1197.459 That's your part of the job . 1197.21 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1195.685 1209.92 1196.1 1209.89 So yeah exactly this is uh how it uh looks from the inside . And uh well that's about it I think . Oh yeah , I still have this . Oh I had to delete this , but I had to make a schematic uh of the of the new But I had too too little time , but uh don't uh 1200.27 1201.95 1202.33 1202.87 1203.77 1208.82 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1199.648 1199.872 1199.67 1199.84 Yep . 1199.84 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1205.265 1205.834 1205.4 1205.63 Alright . 1205.63 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1206.576 1215.888 1206.576 1215.85 Okay . Well we understand . We understand . Oh right , no . 1210.41 1213.7 1215.04 1215.59 1215.85 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1211.2 1217.36 1211.22 1217.31 don't look at it please . I I think it's it's clear uh how it works . Alright . That's the most important thing . 1212.2 1214.8 1215.58 1217.31 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1212.028 1212.698 1212.18 1212.48 Alright . 1212.48 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1213.869 1214.907 1214.02 1214.83 Yeah , it's clear . 1214.25 1214.83 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1217.344 1217.952 1217.36 1217.92 Nice . 1217.92 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1218.656 1219.839 1218.68 1219.839 Alright . Uh 1219.03 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1218.976 1221.808 1219.01 1221.76 Then uh Mike can uh give the third presentation . 1221.76 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1224.784 1228.032 1224.85 1228.032 How late is did we start his presentation uh ? 1227.79 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1224.725 1225.596 1224.87 1225.52 Right . 1225.52 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1226.962 1229.473 1226.962 1229.33 I dunno . I think uh w 1228.42 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1230.592 1231.616 1230.61 1231.58 About twenty minutes ago ? 1231.58 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1230.543 1232.128 1230.62 1232.09 Wha Yeah . 1232.09 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1233.161 1240.088 1233.18 1239.94 Well then we have still the time , so But we do have to come to a decision , right later on . 1234.91 1239.32 1239.94 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1233.022 1235.534 1233.18 1235.534 Losing time losing time . 1234.9 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1238.614 1240.054 1238.77 1240.054 Yeah right . So 1239.4 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1241.216 1244.307 1241.24 1244.307 So - TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1241.372 1241.801 1241.44 1241.76 Mm . 1241.76 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1245.072 1250.683 1245.09 1250.43 Well I thought um everybody on the website uh would see the same thing , but 1250.28 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1250.829 1251.967 1250.98 1251.76 I don't think so . 1251.76 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1251.353 1253.504 1251.37 1253.47 obviously that's not the case . 1253.47 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1254.096 1259.049 1254.16 1258.94 Yeah , uh there are different uh We have all have different home pages , with different links . Yeah . 1254.39 1257.96 1258.59 1258.94 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1257.648 1258.269 1257.71 1258.18 Oh yeah ? 1258.18 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1257.92 1258.439 1257.94 1258.31 Yeah . 1258.31 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1258.633 1259.403 1258.83 1259.28 Yeah right . 1259.28 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1259.474 1260.043 1259.59 1259.8 Uh ? 1259.8 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1259.888 1263.863 1260.04 1263.863 For instance you couldn't see this . 1263.7 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1263.008 1265.083 1263.008 1264.99 Okay , yeah well . 1264.35 1264.99 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1264.832 1265.269 1264.85 1265.269 Um - TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1266.776 1270.425 1266.93 1270.38 Yeah . Well I'm Mike , User Interface Designer . 1267.64 1269.04 1270.38 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1269.664 1270.338 1269.68 1270.02 Mm-hmm . 1270.02 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1271.232 1272.702 1271.31 1272.702 The the method ? Well 1272.21 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1274.51 1282.68 1274.63 1282.68 I used my own experience with remotes , took a good l look uh at the remotes on the corporate website , which are these two . Um 1276.95 1280.35 1282.1 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1281.888 1282.661 1281.91 1282.51 Yeah . 1282.51 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1282.648 1284.121 1282.83 1284.0 These are already in use ? 1284.0 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1284.496 1289.126 1284.52 1289.126 Yes , these are from from another uh manufacturer . Um 1284.77 1288.42 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1287.536 1289.076 1287.74 1288.8 Alright , okay . 1288.47 1288.8 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1290.172 1296.572 1290.43 1296.43 This one is engineering-centred , so this one has the most functions and um things . This one is user-centred . 1291.91 1295.26 1296.43 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1297.173 1297.689 1297.31 1297.59 Yeah . 1297.59 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1297.234 1297.87 1297.35 1297.8 Mm-hmm . 1297.8 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1297.984 1298.782 1298.11 1298.782 Um - TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1298.176 1300.32 1298.2 1300.15 Well Yeah , me too . 1299.82 1300.15 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1298.628 1302.378 1298.75 1302.24 I like user-centred . Yeah . 1301.94 1302.24 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1300.464 1304.474 1300.49 1304.35 I like user-centr centred uh uh also the best . 1304.35 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1304.752 1305.894 1304.78 1305.71 We also do that . 1305.71 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1305.378 1306.014 1305.41 1306.014 Um - TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1307.872 1316.658 1307.89 1316.61 Well , I thought uh that we uh reduce the the option to control the D_V_D_ also , and teletext and that kind of stuff . 1308.3 1314.54 1316.61 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1316.992 1317.574 1317.01 1317.31 Mm . 1317.31 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1317.616 1324.961 1317.67 1324.961 Uh so I thought we we we would use more or need more buttons than this one . But 1324.44 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1323.333 1327.018 1323.49 1326.47 But we have to reject that , because of the requirements ? 1325.22 1326.47 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1325.584 1332.428 1325.6 1332.428 Yes . Th that's why this mm is not relevant any more I feel . Um 1326.6 1331.95 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1326.051 1326.721 1326.12 1326.44 Yeah . 1326.44 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1331.134 1331.837 1331.28 1331.62 Alright . 1331.62 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1333.616 1337.152 1333.64 1337.12 I think this is about the maximum number of buttons uh we'll need . 1337.12 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1337.99 1344.753 1337.99 1344.753 I um I kinda like the shape . I think this is what we talked about . But 1341.04 1344.41 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1337.852 1338.588 1337.99 1338.42 Yeah , right . 1338.18 1338.42 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1344.381 1344.916 1344.49 1344.7 Yeah . 1344.7 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1344.714 1349.048 1344.714 1349.048 You can't really see uh the differ from different sides . But I think uh 1347.96 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1348.544 1351.483 1348.56 1351.483 No I've Well I showed it somewhere . Um 1350.91 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1350.841 1352.548 1350.94 1352.22 Uh you can draw it if you Yeah . 1352.22 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1352.486 1361.248 1352.486 1361.248 Oh yeah . I think we should go further with the idea of a removable front . So we can can uh yeah customise the 1354.25 1358.12 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1358.128 1358.496 1358.16 1358.46 Mm-hmm . 1358.46 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1360.8 1369.519 1360.82 1369.36 Well absolutely , but i th they all have to have something about um the recognition from our company . So we cannot just uh 1361.51 1367.43 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1367.653 1368.993 1367.81 1368.993 Mm ? 1368.83 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1370.16 1375.321 1370.18 1375.321 Yeah . It's a front . It's not the the whole remote that changes , of course . You can 1370.79 1371.37 1373.53 1374.74 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1370.432 1371.557 1370.45 1371.28 make someone w - TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1373.52 1384.208 1373.55 1384.17 No but that's th the side they look uh look at is the front . So if y if you make a a front with just a a tiger on it , then uh our recognition is totally gone . 1378.08 1382.18 1384.17 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1374.586 1375.423 1374.7 1375.423 But it - TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1382.278 1383.082 1382.45 1382.71 Mm . 1382.71 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1384.196 1384.88 1384.34 1384.85 Yeah , that's right . 1384.51 1384.85 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1385.216 1393.294 1385.24 1393.294 Or you can you can can put the same symbol on on every remote . So l like Ericsson does every uh 1388.77 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1388.139 1391.42 1388.25 1391.33 Yeah , that's a must . We must have that . 1388.93 1390.22 1391.33 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1390.131 1393.376 1390.24 1393.376 Yeah , we must . Yeah well and and 1390.94 1392.01 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1390.49 1392.399 1390.66 1392.22 We can put it on the on the back side . 1392.22 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1394.0 1397.412 1394.02 1397.31 S something like this . It's recognisable . 1396.13 1397.31 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1395.152 1395.789 1395.18 1395.61 Yes . 1395.61 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1397.728 1397.952 1397.75 1397.92 'Kay . 1397.92 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1398.15 1406.42 1398.27 1406.35 We can make a symbol of the company right here . And if you put a front on it , there's a hole on the front . So the symbol's always on Yeah . 1400.66 1402.52 1403.71 1406.35 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1398.249 1398.986 1398.43 1398.986 Um - TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1401.463 1401.966 1401.5 1401.82 Yeah ? 1401.82 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1403.749 1406.394 1403.81 1406.11 Yeah , so that you don't replace the symbol , yeah . 1404.12 1406.0 1406.11 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1404.268 1406.913 1404.48 1406.82 Yeah yeah . Something like that , in the Yeah . 1405.02 1405.82 1406.82 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1404.528 1413.113 1404.73 1412.99 Yeah yeah yeah . Or the th the the lowest part of the remote isn't changed by the front . Those kind of things . Yes . Okay . 1406.03 1410.8 1411.56 1412.47 1412.99 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1409.132 1413.392 1409.36 1413.392 Yeah , yeah . But let's not focus on the front . 1410.0 1410.53 1413.18 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1409.903 1410.606 1410.09 1410.41 Mm-hmm . 1410.41 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1410.596 1411.165 1410.64 1410.84 Yeah . 1410.84 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1413.92 1422.416 1413.96 1422.416 Um Well so uh uh like I said I thought we'd we'd use more function . If we we had to include more functions . But we don't . So um 1418.45 1420.7 1421.71 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1422.368 1423.024 1422.41 1422.79 Mm-hmm . 1422.79 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1423.888 1434.448 1423.91 1434.448 Yeah . I think this is about the maximum number of buttons we need . Maybe some less . Like eject we don't need , and some other buttons we don't need . I think uh 1424.87 1428.16 1429.47 1430.73 1433.59 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1424.474 1425.311 1424.7 1425.19 Alright . 1425.19 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1433.543 1438.064 1433.67 1438.02 Mike , uh can you put uh that picture from me on the in the Word documents file ? In Map ? 1433.95 1437.33 1438.02 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1437.248 1445.696 1437.27 1445.696 Yeah , I will . I think uh for the remote um uh less is more . The less buttons the better the design . Um 1437.51 1438.35 1442.51 1445.24 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1445.376 1445.798 1445.4 1445.58 Yeah . 1445.58 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1445.968 1447.327 1445.99 1447.08 Yeah , I agree . 1446.5 1447.08 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1446.435 1448.343 1446.46 1448.09 We should go with that concept I think . 1448.09 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1450.144 1451.181 1450.33 1450.98 I know . 1450.98 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1450.87 1451.488 1450.94 1451.39 Alright . 1451.39 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1450.928 1479.072 1450.95 1479.04 I've I've got another point . Um there are two target audi audiences , and we've uh chose for the younger one . Um , research has shown that um it's a high interested uh in features . They are high high interested in feature . But they are more critical . Fo Yeah , critical . So The younger audience . So we must um must design uh a control that really speaks to the people . 1452.86 1455.75 1458.08 1459.17 1464.77 1467.06 1468.84 1469.82 1470.65 1472.78 1479.04 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1452.528 1452.963 1452.55 1452.81 Yeah ? 1452.81 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1458.179 1458.862 1458.39 1458.6 Mm . 1458.6 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1470.512 1471.65 1470.57 1471.65 The younger uh - TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1472.592 1473.11 1472.62 1472.89 Mm-hmm . 1472.89 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1479.904 1500.832 1479.92 1500.8 Well what if we um I at I at home have a remote that has um the most familiar uh buttons on the top , and the bottom side of the front has a little clip , a f a little uh You can click away and then you have f much more functions that most people don't use but s some do do . 1488.81 1493.63 1500.8 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1488.56 1489.225 1488.59 1489.02 Mm-hmm . 1489.02 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1501.232 1509.536 1501.31 1509.536 Mm-hmm . I think uh the most functions uh underneath that uh uh No um mm usually 1502.28 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1506.536 1507.908 1506.65 1507.79 Clip aren't used much . 1507.79 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1508.384 1513.686 1508.4 1513.686 Well but because you say they their features are important , they want m um a lot , but not 1511.08 1512.88 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1511.145 1512.183 1511.33 1512.1 Yeah right . 1512.1 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1511.759 1512.428 1511.97 1512.428 But - TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1513.587 1519.279 1513.75 1519.279 Yeah , but what kind of features ? Like L_C_D_ screens and voice recognition . But I've 1513.91 1515.21 1517.52 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1514.772 1517.618 1515.02 1517.618 Yeah I think m most - TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1516.208 1517.54 1516.23 1517.38 Yeah but Yeah . 1517.38 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1518.701 1519.664 1518.72 1519.664 Most uh - TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1518.645 1525.408 1518.77 1525.37 Here , look at these numbers . The newest features are , like I said , are uh L_C_D_ and uh speech uh control . 1519.12 1520.46 1521.7 1522.28 1525.37 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1526.4 1546.235 1526.42 1546.06 Our audience , these people , are very like these uh features . You see ? So we must build in something , or they will to uh go to the concurrent . The concurrent ? Competitors , right . So , I do think we have to uh have some features . 1527.94 1529.46 1532.7 1533.33 1535.37 1539.13 1540.26 1540.99 1542.42 1543.47 1546.06 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1532.039 1532.742 1532.19 1532.41 Yeah . 1532.41 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1532.159 1533.9 1532.36 1533.75 Mm-hmm . Uh . 1533.4 1533.75 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1538.16 1540.945 1538.16 1540.945 Competitors . 1540.27 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1538.42 1540.898 1538.54 1540.43 Yeah . Our competitor . Yeah . 1539.41 1540.19 1540.43 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1547.12 1565.008 1547.14 1564.97 Yeah . Well maybe w we could uh s On um some uh calculators you have lo those little little L_C_D_ th that you can click on or something , or that you can click uh out uh of the remote . And if if that's gives you a little bit of sta status information . Yeah . 1547.88 1558.09 1560.52 1564.66 1564.97 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1547.376 1548.947 1547.4 1548.75 Even though they cost a little more . 1548.75 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1555.115 1556.655 1555.27 1556.42 Right . Right . 1556.1 1556.42 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1563.419 1567.104 1563.61 1567.07 Like a ticker-tape . Which programme you are l watching or something . 1565.05 1567.07 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1567.072 1568.647 1567.09 1568.647 Yeah , that's nice . 1567.45 1568.47 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1567.792 1573.152 1567.81 1573.12 Those kind of things , uh because you also have those uh those program recognition for your V_ V_C_R_s . 1568.79 1573.12 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1574.352 1581.115 1574.37 1581.04 And uh well if y if your remote picks that up also , you they can display which programme you're currently watching . 1577.81 1581.04 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1574.568 1576.309 1574.79 1576.16 Yeah , right . Yeah right . 1575.0 1575.69 1576.16 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1575.14 1575.776 1575.29 1575.64 Yeah . 1575.64 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1580.559 1595.952 1580.71 1595.952 Yeah . So it it just signals the the different uh sig uh the different symbols on the screen you have , uh because if you change to s channel two you have two on the screen and two on your on your um on your L_C_D_ screen . 1581.27 1587.79 1595.82 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1587.259 1587.895 1587.47 1587.82 Yeah . 1587.82 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1593.184 1594.097 1593.2 1593.89 For example . 1593.89 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1595.024 1599.052 1595.04 1598.94 It it could be such a little uh th that you can click in and out and you and you have it . 1598.94 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1600.064 1603.539 1600.08 1603.539 Yeah , we should keep that simple too . It will 1600.28 1602.5 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1602.016 1610.735 1602.26 1610.735 But should it uh really be uh clickable , uh or or just integrate inside to try to make it d more trendy . 1605.0 1610.54 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1602.702 1603.137 1602.72 1602.91 Yeah . 1602.91 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1604.942 1614.116 1605.1 1613.77 No not clickable . Nah , no no no . Yeah , just at at the top . So when you s you sit like this you can can watch . I think it should be at the top . 1606.36 1606.58 1607.82 1608.13 1610.01 1612.65 1613.77 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1605.206 1606.099 1605.26 1606.01 Well maybe . 1606.01 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1606.017 1609.499 1606.15 1609.499 No , it should be uh integrated . I think 1606.35 1607.59 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1612.646 1614.454 1612.8 1614.26 Yeah . Yeah . 1614.07 1614.26 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1613.046 1622.066 1613.11 1622.066 Yeah , something like on um some radios in car . You Where it's , yeah , walking to Yeah . 1613.34 1616.39 1618.38 1618.8 1621.93 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1619.376 1621.717 1619.4 1621.52 Yeah right . It's a ticker-tape idea . 1619.85 1621.52 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1619.869 1621.554 1619.95 1621.48 R_D_S_s or something . 1621.48 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1622.247 1630.484 1622.38 1630.24 But that's of course uh a bit more uh expensive than uh the basic uh calculator design , with the scrolling text and that kind of thing . 1627.86 1630.24 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1630.272 1632.713 1630.34 1632.53 Wa Yeah . 1632.53 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1630.672 1632.416 1630.69 1632.416 Well it's just one script . 1632.31 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1630.955 1640.288 1631.01 1640.288 Well I think it's you got It just means it's a script that's uh keeps it uh rolling , and it's not uh That's five minutes off uh implementing time I think uh 1636.12 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1638.661 1643.483 1638.87 1643.27 Yeah , five minutes of ja ja for programming . So I don't think that's the issue . 1639.6 1641.83 1643.27 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1641.712 1641.92 1641.73 1641.89 Yeah . 1641.89 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1643.296 1643.744 1643.32 1643.6 No . 1643.6 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1643.91 1644.714 1644.12 1644.46 Alright . 1644.46 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1644.688 1647.048 1644.71 1646.84 Alright , we go with the L_C_D_ screen ? 1645.09 1646.84 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1646.519 1648.93 1646.66 1648.93 Uh well I think so , yes . Um 1647.48 1648.34 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1647.919 1651.971 1647.919 1651.87 Yeah well we we we still need to know how much that will cost . 1651.87 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1648.016 1648.896 1648.19 1648.38 'Kay . 1648.38 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1652.032 1654.784 1652.05 1654.784 Right , I don't know if I can find that , but 1652.42 1654.46 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1653.392 1655.887 1653.42 1655.7 We're g No but we're we'll have to look into that . 1655.7 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1654.85 1658.734 1654.92 1658.67 Or maybe you will get that information uh Yeah . 1658.67 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1657.2 1658.608 1657.22 1658.42 Next time . Yeah right . 1657.91 1658.42 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1657.328 1671.904 1657.35 1671.904 Um we can use this board again , I think . Uh we can put some um decisions about um the controls we want , th the issue . Where is my presentation ? Uh 1659.73 1660.58 1666.79 1669.17 1671.42 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1671.766 1673.44 1671.93 1673.37 Yeah , I understand what you're saying . 1672.08 1673.37 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1675.408 1676.142 1675.43 1676.142 Uh - TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1678.012 1680.992 1678.2 1680.8 We should have a general idea of how it's gonna look . 1680.8 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1683.12 1683.609 1683.14 1683.609 Well - TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1684.479 1692.783 1684.58 1692.49 I mean we're all here now , I think . These I've already given you . So we have to decide on the different remote control functions . 1685.75 1686.71 1688.44 1692.49 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1694.485 1695.255 1694.7 1694.9 Right . 1694.9 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1694.658 1699.111 1694.74 1698.95 So we want to have a small L_C_D_ screen that's special . 1698.95 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1697.733 1698.704 1697.9 1698.59 At the top . 1698.59 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1700.282 1707.26 1700.55 1707.26 Shouldn't we start with the most important parts ? The L_C_D_ screen alright but we should start with the power button ? Uh 1702.15 1706.71 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1701.637 1703.712 1701.76 1703.68 At the top or at the bottom ? 1703.68 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1702.032 1702.59 1702.05 1702.42 Yes . 1702.42 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1704.32 1706.027 1704.37 1706.027 I think the top is more uh - TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1706.742 1707.344 1706.89 1707.13 Yeah . 1707.13 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1707.668 1711.024 1707.81 1710.99 When you s How do you zap ? You just sit in your chair ? 1709.95 1710.99 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1707.764 1708.635 1707.87 1708.635 Yeah but - TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1711.595 1712.198 1711.79 1712.0 Huh ? 1712.0 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1712.336 1713.126 1712.36 1712.95 With the remote ? 1712.95 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1712.284 1721.304 1712.37 1721.304 Yeah but with with the L_C_D_ screen on the top it gets a bit unnatural . 'Cause most remotes have some space left at the bottom . 1716.95 1721.23 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1714.784 1716.15 1714.8 1715.99 That thing is terrible . 1715.99 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1720.726 1724.777 1720.85 1724.59 Yeah but that's where your hand ball might be . Yeah , I dunno . 1723.55 1723.96 1724.59 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1722.88 1723.449 1722.99 1723.449 Uh - TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1723.748 1725.657 1723.9 1725.5 Yeah , no Mm . 1724.4 1725.5 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1725.791 1726.963 1725.92 1726.963 And then uh - TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1726.518 1728.832 1726.67 1728.832 We'll draw two , and then we'll see uh 1727.76 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1728.738 1732.689 1728.83 1732.689 Maybe we should uh centralise the discussion here . I dunno what uh you were talking about but 1730.78 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1731.731 1741.14 1731.88 1741.11 No Um he thinks Yeah , right . He thinks it's better to put the L_C_D_ at the bottom , and I think it's better at the top . 1736.11 1736.66 1739.69 1741.11 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1734.019 1736.095 1734.019 1735.83 we are busy with something . 1735.83 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1741.251 1743.294 1741.49 1743.12 Uh-huh . Why do you think it's better at the bottom ? 1741.85 1743.12 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1741.744 1742.429 1741.89 1742.429 Well - TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1744.176 1754.487 1744.2 1754.26 Uh well because most uh remotes have um some space left at the bottom , and that way you can keep the shape recognisable for everybody . I c 1748.81 1753.81 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1751.887 1752.758 1752.04 1752.758 But your - TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1753.513 1759.439 1753.6 1759.31 But you just can put uh the the the the the whole interface a bit down , so that there's room for the for the interface . 1756.79 1759.31 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1757.12 1765.888 1757.14 1765.888 Yeah . The the ticker The L_C_D_ is like like small . It's it's wide . It's not not high . But 1757.95 1761.61 1762.98 1764.16 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1757.668 1760.414 1757.76 1760.414 Well I d I think that's that's ugly but - TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1763.04 1763.77 1763.06 1763.44 Uh-huh . 1763.44 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1764.613 1766.548 1764.613 1766.48 I th - TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1764.976 1777.296 1765.0 1777.26 Well I th I think Mike Mike has a point , because um when when uh when I use a remote I l I hate the buttons but buttons at the at the bottom . So and and I I like to use the ones 1767.15 1775.14 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1764.997 1767.14 1765.16 1767.14 And and we can - TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1767.225 1770.272 1767.29 1770.19 Yeah . Power button always Yeah . 1768.18 1770.19 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1773.636 1774.305 1773.76 1774.11 Bottom . 1774.11 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1774.022 1774.524 1774.1 1774.29 Yeah . 1774.29 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1775.428 1779.647 1775.59 1779.41 Yeah , y you gotta zap like this or you want to Yeah . 1775.78 1779.41 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1778.464 1782.3 1778.48 1782.3 on the top . So when I u when I have to have an L_C_D_ s scr window 1778.96 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1778.677 1779.916 1778.97 1779.916 Yeah right . But 1779.48 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1780.72 1785.424 1780.74 1784.92 Well that's a bit exaggerated . Well , I agree with you . 1784.01 1784.28 1784.92 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1781.055 1787.168 1781.29 1787.11 We're making a remote with with a few functions you know . We 1786.64 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1786.32 1793.2 1786.47 1793.16 It's it's also more recognisable . It looks more like a calculator to people , if you have the l the the 1788.71 1790.65 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1794.176 1802.572 1794.2 1802.572 Yes but we we we we don't want that . We don't want them to look like a calculator . We want to look it like our original but familiar 1796.73 1798.52 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1794.825 1796.365 1794.98 1796.365 the thing on top . 1796.16 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1796.192 1800.186 1796.21 1799.98 Yeah you don't want You want uh Yeah it it it must be a remote . 1799.98 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1801.465 1811.28 1801.52 1811.28 Yeah w well , but uh you don't have to throw uh um important aspe important aspect like familiarity uh completely away , uh because I think it's uh 1802.22 1808.79 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1802.597 1803.4 1802.68 1803.22 Yeah . 1803.22 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1805.683 1807.893 1805.73 1807.893 High-tech . 1807.7 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1806.818 1808.364 1806.818 1808.22 Yea - TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1810.039 1814.525 1810.17 1814.525 Maybe a bic uh better uh white uh We White ? 1814.34 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1813.88 1816.56 1814.1 1816.53 I think it's still important to have it at the top , because it's uh 1815.71 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1814.054 1814.69 1814.19 1814.52 Width . 1814.52 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1814.893 1818.376 1815.04 1818.14 Width . Uh format yeah format ? Line width ? Width ? 1815.55 1817.04 1817.95 1818.14 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1817.904 1822.656 1817.904 1822.62 Th that's not a problem . When I draw here it Oh . Huh ? 1820.36 1822.47 1822.62 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1818.541 1819.713 1818.58 1819.6 it's more familiar that way . 1819.6 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1819.789 1820.257 1819.88 1820.12 Yeah ? 1820.12 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1823.438 1826.954 1823.56 1826.954 It's a bit off . Well . 1825.12 1826.87 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1824.199 1825.002 1824.3 1824.91 Yeah , it's off . 1824.47 1824.91 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1825.055 1827.097 1825.055 1826.71 A little a little bit . 1826.71 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1826.304 1829.924 1826.304 1829.924 It it needs to be calibrated again . Well 1828.67 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1828.032 1830.735 1828.05 1830.735 Well uh let's uh talk about that later uh - TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1828.805 1832.622 1828.805 1832.45 Maybe you should another pen . Maybe that's uh better . 1831.35 1832.45 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1833.258 1836.651 1833.258 1836.44 You e you only have one pen for that screen . Yeah . 1836.07 1836.44 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1833.197 1833.733 1833.31 1833.55 Where ? 1833.55 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1834.838 1839.793 1834.838 1839.793 Alright , we have to make a decision now , because we don't have much time . Um 1836.41 1837.65 1839.09 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1834.789 1836.045 1834.97 1835.84 It's special pen . 1835.84 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1837.568 1839.208 1837.81 1839.11 Yeah . No . 1838.82 1839.11 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1841.132 1849.804 1841.24 1849.67 I think we have uh a few functions , and we can put uh the L_C_D_ above it , and still have lots of room at the bottom , where you can put your hand . 1843.29 1846.24 1848.73 1849.67 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1848.258 1849.899 1848.4 1849.66 Yeah . I I agree . 1848.72 1849.66 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1850.016 1851.871 1850.04 1851.78 I think it should be at the button , bottom . 1851.46 1851.78 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1852.339 1855.453 1852.36 1855.453 Well I'm the I I'm the designer , so um 1854.1 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1852.354 1857.577 1852.39 1857.52 At the bottom ? In a few minutes Oh yeah , oh yeah , I totally agree . Yeah . 1854.65 1855.84 1856.39 1857.17 1857.52 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1852.474 1854.55 1852.78 1854.32 Bottom . The L_C_D_ . 1853.74 1854.32 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1854.8 1855.376 1854.82 1855.24 At the bot - TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1855.956 1856.525 1856.04 1856.35 Yeah . 1856.35 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1856.534 1857.137 1856.62 1857.137 So - TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1858.112 1860.853 1858.13 1860.853 We are two uh V_S_ two . 1860.68 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1859.726 1867.474 1859.82 1867.42 Well but uh what what if we we first decide the different functions , and then look at the design . Because we have to decide this . 1864.33 1865.95 1867.42 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1861.83 1863.403 1861.9 1863.403 He's the boss . 1862.99 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1863.957 1864.526 1864.13 1864.45 Yeah . 1864.45 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1864.342 1865.916 1864.48 1865.4 Right . Great . 1865.13 1865.4 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1865.129 1873.098 1865.39 1873.01 Uh we uh we were busy with that . Uh yeah we should uh summon the the different uh aspects of the thing . So , we have the power button . 1866.98 1871.35 1871.96 1873.01 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1869.296 1869.751 1869.32 1869.61 Yeah . 1869.61 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1872.345 1879.744 1872.58 1879.744 And moreover I think that you two should be uh come to consensus about the L_C_D_ s . It's uh your it's your job . 1877.63 1879.67 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1877.116 1877.819 1877.23 1877.61 Yes . 1877.61 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1879.234 1881.813 1879.31 1881.38 Yeah of course . Uh it's uh . Yeah . W wh 1879.89 1880.56 1880.81 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1879.359 1883.143 1879.359 1882.9 Well we have a power button . Guys ? 1882.49 1882.9 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1880.299 1884.551 1880.54 1884.551 No it's our job . For all of us I think . 1882.86 1883.87 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1882.449 1886.835 1882.7 1886.69 While you have to agree , I can say it's like this and you must agree . Yeah . 1883.6 1886.46 1886.69 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1883.561 1884.499 1883.69 1884.18 Yeah , right . 1883.98 1884.18 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1885.408 1890.72 1885.43 1890.72 Guys ? We have a power button , setting buttons , L_C_D_ window , the number buttons 1886.69 1887.79 1888.65 1889.68 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1885.734 1887.107 1885.89 1887.07 Alright , let's keep it central . 1886.38 1887.07 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1888.871 1891.214 1888.871 1891.04 The ten numbers ? Yeah ? 1890.63 1891.04 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1891.322 1892.359 1891.47 1892.1 Channel , yeah . 1891.91 1892.1 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1892.448 1892.672 1892.47 1892.672 Uh - TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1894.064 1894.83 1894.14 1894.69 Volume ? 1894.69 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1894.837 1895.875 1894.99 1895.67 Volume control . 1895.67 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1895.776 1896.435 1895.8 1896.3 Yes . 1896.3 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1898.889 1899.893 1898.99 1899.893 Um - TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1901.984 1902.877 1902.01 1902.68 Mm . 1902.68 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1902.22 1906.54 1902.28 1906.26 Uh the mute button . I h love that one . 1905.22 1906.26 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1902.069 1904.48 1902.32 1904.48 Well let's look at your uh design . Uh 1903.94 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1907.952 1908.689 1908.08 1908.53 Uh-huh . 1908.53 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1909.49 1913.92 1909.68 1913.92 I think we we should use something like this um to um - TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1915.152 1919.669 1915.31 1919.57 The the channel up and channel down button ? Yeah , in circle , you know ? 1918.1 1918.46 1919.1 1919.57 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1917.536 1917.84 1917.56 1917.8 Yes . 1917.8 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1919.497 1922.304 1919.52 1922.27 Yeah . Yeah yeah yeah . Well that's that's also design . 1920.18 1920.76 1922.27 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1920.974 1924.088 1921.07 1923.96 And and a volume control also in it . 1923.96 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1923.392 1923.962 1923.41 1923.87 Yes . 1923.87 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1925.856 1926.414 1925.88 1926.2 Right . 1926.2 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1926.144 1927.756 1926.16 1927.756 Um - TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1927.366 1934.129 1927.366 1934.129 Yeah . But th th on this remote th these controls are for something else , a D_V_D_ player or something . So 1929.0 1931.98 1933.15 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1928.832 1929.74 1928.85 1929.51 Well h ho - TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1932.192 1934.896 1932.21 1934.896 Yes . Yes . They are for some uh video uh 1932.72 1933.06 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1932.736 1936.8 1932.94 1936.8 Yes , as I already said , we could drop some of these buttons . 1933.19 1934.64 1936.76 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1936.048 1941.92 1936.07 1941.89 You should put that uh power button , channel and volume should have the most uh importance . 1938.82 1941.89 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1942.208 1942.714 1942.23 1942.64 Yeah . 1942.64 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1943.952 1947.334 1944.11 1947.25 I think these should be in one big circle in the middle . 1947.25 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1947.184 1949.086 1947.2 1948.88 Yeah , but what he said about R_S_I_ 1947.34 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1949.991 1971.328 1950.12 1971.29 was t kinda true . When when you uh put them all in the same place , the most used buttons , you're doing the same thing all the time , and that's just what R_S_I_'s all about . So it might be smarter to put them a little more away from each other . 1952.69 1958.03 1960.24 1963.3 1965.38 1971.29 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1970.0 1970.496 1970.03 1970.39 Apart . 1970.39 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1972.528 1979.105 1972.55 1978.75 So people have to move their hand . And they get less uh complaints of R_S_I_ . 1974.54 1978.75 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1978.51 1986.947 1978.73 1986.69 Yeah , it's it's also not good to completely stay in one position constantly with one hand . Y Yeah . It's good to move uh from time to time . Yeah . 1978.92 1982.35 1984.8 1986.43 1986.69 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1982.432 1985.969 1982.45 1985.91 That's what I always do , because all my i important buttons are the same place . 1983.5 1985.91 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 1986.752 1992.24 1986.77 1992.21 Yeah but people don't like it when their buttons are all over the place . They they need to be centred . 1990.88 1992.21 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1986.896 1987.587 1986.94 1987.587 Um - TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1986.838 1987.575 1987.08 1987.44 Yes ? 1987.44 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1990.664 1993.945 1990.96 1993.76 No but now y W would we have to choose a - TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1990.89 1991.794 1991.07 1991.794 Well not - TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 1994.617 2012.688 1994.65 2012.62 Frequency of uh button use . Um channels are uh most uh is most used within the hour . You can see . So the the channel uh channel buttons should be far far apart , I think , up and down . 1997.0 2003.51 2004.31 2011.14 2012.1 2012.62 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 1995.017 1995.854 1995.16 1995.73 way in middle ? 1995.73 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 1996.48 1996.832 1996.5 1996.8 Yes . 1996.8 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 2002.795 2004.454 2002.795 2004.05 Volume hardly . 2004.05 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2002.864 2003.328 2002.88 2003.2 Uh-huh . 2003.2 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2006.924 2009.803 2006.924 2009.71 Mm-hmm . 2009.71 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 2012.22 2013.626 2012.42 2013.36 No I don't think . 2013.36 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2012.884 2014.825 2012.884 2014.69 Oh . Far apart ? 2014.07 2014.69 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2013.867 2015.68 2013.95 2015.65 Up and down far apart from each other ? 2015.65 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2015.51 2018.858 2015.51 2018.73 You thinking uh about R_S_I_ ? 2018.73 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 2017.845 2018.648 2018.06 2018.648 Yeah but - TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 2019.586 2022.097 2019.71 2022.097 Yeah but No . 2021.27 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2019.792 2023.183 2019.81 2023.183 Well not too much . 2023.03 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2019.687 2023.712 2019.95 2023.712 Y look at uh look at the frequency . Nei not too much , but 2022.29 2023.47 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 2024.912 2028.336 2024.912 2028.336 The other the other two uh frustrations are far more important . So 2028.11 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2028.976 2036.992 2029.2 2036.93 I think you can have the two buttons of up and down close together , but you don't have uh have to have volume control and and zapping button close together . 2031.6 2036.93 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2034.576 2048.992 2034.6 2048.96 Well for example the power button , you can If someone is constantly z zapping , it's not going to miss , that it that the power button is not right beside it . Because I have someone But the buttons is way . So that one can be put away . 2036.55 2040.8 2042.47 2044.57 2047.04 2048.96 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 2036.976 2039.153 2037.07 2039.153 Well they are used four times an hour , so 2038.74 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2045.076 2048.056 2045.13 2048.056 Nei nei nei n I I totally agree . But just 2047.2 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2048.96 2049.998 2049.14 2049.93 Yeah . Right . 2049.54 2049.93 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2050.969 2052.543 2051.11 2052.43 Yeah . I agree . 2051.81 2052.43 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2051.774 2054.578 2051.83 2054.578 The power button can uh be uh uh - TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 2053.855 2057.672 2054.13 2057.672 Power bu button should be left at the top . 2057.58 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2056.866 2061.248 2056.9 2061.248 Yes . Oh man , five minutes . 2058.19 2059.07 2061.11 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2056.728 2058.369 2056.9 2058.23 And should and should be red . 2058.23 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2057.825 2058.696 2057.98 2058.46 Yeah . 2058.46 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2062.368 2066.384 2062.39 2066.17 Yeah , well five minutes left . Yep . 2063.04 2065.54 2066.17 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2062.922 2065.4 2063.08 2065.37 Right , just make some decisions . 2064.23 2065.37 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2066.304 2068.347 2066.34 2068.347 The most important things we have to uh - TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2068.176 2070.727 2068.2 2070.59 Um how are we going to do it with those numbers ? 2070.59 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2069.41 2079.689 2069.5 2079.3 C c can you make you make We can use uh the drawing board now , I think . Uh it it doesn't work well but But it it would be pretty pretty uh nice if we could just draw a simple thing . 2072.06 2072.35 2079.3 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2074.992 2075.868 2075.01 2075.74 Well I have it here . 2075.74 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2078.8 2085.408 2078.82 2085.37 I do think you have to keep you have to keep it central now . Just uh you decide that , you decide that , and ready . 2081.61 2083.11 2083.83 2085.37 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2078.982 2082.436 2079.1 2082.23 Yeah well that's going to take too too much time . Yes . 2081.75 2082.23 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 2081.551 2082.723 2081.65 2082.49 Mm . Yeah . 2082.26 2082.49 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2083.528 2085.202 2083.63 2084.97 Mm . Alright . 2084.7 2084.97 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2084.138 2084.741 2084.22 2084.64 Yes . 2084.64 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2086.32 2099.28 2086.34 2099.28 Well the L_C_D_ . Um you are Industrial , you are User Interface . So I think it's going to go to Mike . But you will have to make consensus with . Well 2087.83 2090.71 2092.51 2095.28 2098.99 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2094.852 2095.421 2094.98 2095.32 Yeah . 2095.32 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 2100.816 2104.386 2100.84 2104.386 Well consensus , um We we can put it in the middle , so 2101.84 2103.85 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2101.767 2105.45 2101.82 2105.45 Well it's a bit hard , because we are going to be uh individually . That's a bit uh 2102.71 2104.53 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2102.032 2106.64 2102.24 2106.64 Nei . We're No We're deciding now , so 2102.92 2106.29 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2106.096 2106.756 2106.12 2106.52 Yes . 2106.52 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2108.408 2109.312 2108.51 2109.13 Top or bottom ? 2109.13 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2109.66 2118.336 2109.77 2118.336 Well uh yeah I I still think it's it's quite important though to uh to have it at the top , so Yeah . You say familiarity isn't important but 2114.54 2115.89 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2113.296 2114.156 2113.32 2113.92 Yes it is . 2113.92 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2118.256 2123.43 2118.28 2123.36 Well what if we're going to now decide about the functions , and the design comes into the next round ? 2121.35 2123.36 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2124.986 2125.722 2125.1 2125.46 Okay . 2125.46 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2125.504 2128.062 2125.52 2128.0 Plus the d th the design round is still to come huh ? 2128.0 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2125.865 2126.936 2126.06 2126.69 Yeah d - TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2127.932 2129.305 2128.11 2129.09 Yeah , right . Okay . 2128.31 2128.78 2129.09 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2128.142 2128.644 2128.16 2128.55 Yeah . 2128.55 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 2128.987 2129.59 2129.02 2129.31 Alright . 2129.31 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2129.248 2143.832 2129.27 2143.68 Alright these functions . The number f Well yes , that's alright . W the number function . Are we going to uh do it like uh on Mike's screen with uh one button that says I'm going to do a t two number digital ? 2130.94 2133.54 2134.69 2135.97 2143.68 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2130.117 2134.4 2130.3 2134.37 As we we we we agreed , we do have a L_C_D_ . So that's 2131.87 2133.15 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2133.825 2135.031 2134.0 2134.94 Yeah , okay . 2134.36 2134.94 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2135.247 2136.553 2135.42 2136.42 that's enough . Yeah . 2135.94 2136.42 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 2143.984 2144.792 2144.08 2144.57 No . 2144.57 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2145.632 2146.544 2145.65 2146.49 How do you want it to do then ? 2146.49 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2147.066 2149.92 2147.21 2149.89 There's one two three four five six six seven eight nine zero . 2149.89 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 2147.136 2150.35 2147.33 2150.35 Well just when you push a one one and - TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2148.234 2152.64 2148.28 2152.6 It it has to r recognise one as there could still come more . 2152.6 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 2153.096 2162.484 2153.15 2162.45 No , if you On most T_V_s if you uh press two numbers shortly after each other , d it Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . 2153.73 2159.6 2161.25 2162.19 2162.45 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2154.098 2155.504 2154.24 2155.504 Oh , like that . Um 2154.41 2154.79 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2158.752 2159.284 2158.77 2159.16 Yes . 2159.16 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2158.943 2163.52 2159.26 2163.49 They'd recognise it . Th that's the most That that's very easy . Yeah . 2160.08 2163.24 2163.49 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2160.188 2161.728 2160.26 2161.63 Alright so no button for that . 2161.63 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2162.372 2162.941 2162.53 2162.89 No . 2162.89 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2164.72 2169.984 2164.75 2169.87 Okay uh anyone any uh oth other functionalities of our uh remote ? 2169.87 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2170.128 2172.814 2170.15 2172.69 I think these are the the most important functions . 2172.69 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2172.081 2173.889 2172.17 2173.7 Do you still have the pictures over there ? 2173.7 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 2173.952 2174.571 2174.03 2174.31 Yeah . 2174.31 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2174.608 2175.148 2174.66 2175.148 So - TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2181.284 2182.288 2181.31 2182.07 Yeah , that's about it . 2181.56 2182.07 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2184.866 2194.241 2185.02 2194.241 You do need the uh multi Or did uh No , like this one . You do need them ? Yeah , I know . But are we 2189.55 2190.78 2191.88 2192.67 2193.09 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2191.472 2193.496 2191.54 2193.496 No , we'd uh just said we didn't uh 2191.77 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2195.011 2197.924 2195.12 2197.84 Alright , alright uh Now okay . 2195.53 2197.84 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2195.157 2196.992 2195.157 2196.992 Well uh - TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2198.256 2209.328 2198.256 2209.19 Um well because we can't integrate it with any other uh remotes , all those buttons on those pictures are uh irrelevant . So just for a television is that all we need ? 2203.01 2206.76 2209.19 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2206.226 2206.895 2206.39 2206.67 Right . 2206.67 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2210.043 2211.884 2210.17 2211.66 Yeah , it's most useable this way . 2210.55 2211.66 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2213.491 2215.198 2213.491 2214.99 basic function . 2214.99 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 2213.866 2214.703 2214.09 2214.61 Yeah . 2214.61 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2215.168 2221.472 2215.19 2221.44 Teletext is gone . So all those buttons that ar are to do with teletext Oh screen placing . 2216.54 2221.44 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2222.688 2224.608 2222.71 2224.608 We'll have uh those uh buttons about uh - TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2226.048 2236.428 2226.14 2236.27 And uh the two important ones we're l f forgetting . Uh there's um screen . You can make it wider and less wide . And the button that you can go to A_V_ for your video . 2228.91 2230.55 2232.95 2236.27 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2231.824 2232.494 2232.04 2232.39 Yeah . 2232.39 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2236.344 2240.094 2236.49 2239.91 Right . I do think we have to put that underneath a clip . 2237.2 2239.91 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2237.335 2238.205 2237.53 2238.17 Oh yeah . 2238.17 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2240.624 2242.848 2240.64 2242.81 Those two ? But it's just two , and we make a clip ? 2241.16 2242.2 2242.81 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2241.754 2245.337 2241.88 2245.337 Uh just two just two under uh under uh - TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2244.129 2245.632 2244.24 2245.57 Th that's a bit uh waste . 2245.57 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 2244.414 2249.016 2244.71 2248.83 We we can make make uh a little row of like four buttons down here . 2248.83 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2248.608 2249.184 2248.63 2249.04 Yes . 2249.04 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2249.034 2250.273 2249.27 2250.13 Yeah . Okay , right . 2249.52 2249.75 2250.13 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2249.991 2251.263 2250.08 2251.263 I I think uh - TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2250.16 2254.256 2250.18 2254.256 Or at the top . Your L_C_D_ screen is going to go . 2252.1 2254.11 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 2252.617 2255.296 2252.83 2254.93 Or at Yeah alright then . 2254.93 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2253.272 2264.416 2253.5 2264.416 But you you can put uh two or three buttons under uh another section . Uh that's that's too complicated . You can just put it somewhere They they aren't used much , not as much as those other , so you can put it somewhere 2257.19 2258.66 2261.44 2262.87 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2258.578 2259.218 2258.66 2259.08 Yes . 2259.08 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2260.319 2260.854 2260.41 2260.63 Yeah - TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 2263.264 2267.048 2263.46 2266.89 Oh , they can be small or round like buttons . 2263.61 2266.89 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2265.349 2270.784 2265.45 2270.74 Yeah s bit smaller and s Well uh and and I think more at the bottom . Yeah . 2270.48 2270.74 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2273.318 2278.016 2273.45 2277.97 Yeah or at the top , yeah . What do you think uh those those buttons ? Above or down ? 2274.24 2274.66 2276.98 2277.97 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2276.952 2281.162 2277.05 2280.9 Well I think they should in an in an isolated part of the remote . 2280.9 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2280.818 2287.072 2280.96 2286.74 And w where ? Well we design it later . We have it , and we design later where everything goes . Yeah . 2282.12 2283.29 2284.18 2286.45 2286.74 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2284.444 2288.696 2284.53 2288.696 Yes ? Yes . Yes . Well any other uh 2285.82 2286.51 2287.08 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2289.625 2293.312 2289.73 2293.312 Well if you you take those th If you - TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 2290.554 2291.904 2290.71 2291.87 Why go to video ? 2291.87 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2292.58 2298.975 2292.83 2298.76 Go to video , that's always on your remote control . To A_V_ uh to A_V_ A_V_ A_V_ . 2293.43 2295.53 2298.76 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2295.2 2300.416 2295.22 2300.416 Yeah , but you can z you can zap t you can you can zap to the video channel from zero to uh 2295.39 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2297.026 2298.567 2297.17 2298.31 The the video channel uh ? 2298.31 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 2298.899 2300.784 2299.22 2300.75 That's just zero . Yeah . 2300.45 2300.75 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2301.632 2303.528 2301.65 2303.36 Well l n no not at not at my remote . 2303.36 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2301.58 2306.464 2301.76 2306.34 No no not always . Ze yeah zero is a different channel than uh the the video channel . 2302.78 2306.34 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2304.854 2305.423 2304.96 2305.25 Yeah . 2305.25 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 2305.194 2307.538 2305.31 2307.538 Yeah , but you can can zap down 2305.54 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2306.224 2309.216 2306.46 2309.18 Yeah , but when you zap down zero you get to A_V_ . 2306.7 2309.18 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2308.336 2308.872 2308.38 2308.81 Yes . 2308.81 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 2309.44 2310.886 2309.55 2310.61 Yes , I think th 2309.89 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2309.876 2313.521 2309.97 2313.521 I don't . I go to ninety-nine . 2310.79 2313.24 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 2311.99 2314.912 2312.26 2314.88 No , then you press ninety nine . I think go to video is 2312.64 2313.71 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2312.166 2315.146 2312.3 2314.92 Ah uh well whatever , . 2314.92 2314.92 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 2315.942 2317.683 2316.09 2317.683 an irrelevant button , but 2317.2 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2315.97 2318.18 2316.1 2317.96 Th that's the button uh No . 2317.96 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2317.632 2332.488 2317.8 2332.23 But it's easy to go If you are at uh at channel uh fifty five and you want to uh go immediately to the video channel , you do you have to push a to to get below zero . It's more easy to get to uh where the specific uh video channel button . 2325.88 2328.68 2332.23 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2327.351 2333.613 2327.43 2333.613 No you can ch push zero . Yeah . Yeah , I I think that one button is uh I use it uh 2329.1 2330.03 2330.17 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2333.904 2345.504 2333.92 2345.504 Yeah , but if we're choosing to uh incorporate these buttons , you have to have uh channel setting , if you wa if you have a new T_V_ . You have to set the channels . Right all th these uh different buttons you have to 2334.1 2337.33 2339.84 2341.67 2343.19 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2341.849 2342.285 2341.89 2342.14 Yeah ? 2342.14 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2344.997 2348.747 2345.16 2348.65 These buttons , I don't have buttons for channel setting uh especially on my remote . 2345.58 2348.65 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2348.96 2350.224 2348.98 2350.224 Ah , I do . 2349.41 2349.97 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2349.021 2355.851 2349.17 2355.73 Yeah well uh d different screen settings a Yeah , sk Yeah y you you you you have screen width . 2351.89 2355.73 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2349.734 2354.02 2349.8 2354.02 It's it's incorporated with p m plus and down , uh those 2353.09 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 2349.889 2351.797 2350.05 2351.63 Yeah well y you must have . 2351.63 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 2354.15 2362.304 2354.22 2362.304 Yeah you yeah you have one one button from s set frequency o or something , and then with plus and min minus you can uh adjust the uh 2358.72 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2361.408 2364.752 2361.43 2364.7 Right . That's the only one we put uh in there . 2362.56 2364.7 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2366.274 2368.819 2366.46 2368.67 So we still have one uh four ? 2368.67 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2368.967 2372.181 2368.99 2372.09 For a screen uh fu uh channel setting . 2372.09 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2370.895 2372.2 2371.02 2372.1 Ch ch - TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2372.72 2377.04 2372.94 2377.01 Yeah to uh oh yeah of course to configure the programme the Yeah . 2377.01 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2374.558 2376.065 2374.84 2375.81 Programme , right . 2375.61 2375.81 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2375.47 2384.48 2375.71 2384.27 Okay . Oh the Okay button ? Oh you always have in the centre an Okay button , for your menu . Menu button . 2376.16 2379.6 2382.47 2383.46 2384.27 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2378.896 2379.614 2378.92 2379.614 Uh - TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2382.016 2382.73 2382.04 2382.46 Yeah . 2382.46 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 2382.022 2383.059 2382.11 2382.77 Yeah , alright . 2382.33 2382.77 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2385.107 2393.376 2385.24 2393.34 You should Yeah . I think that's important . Uh And and the settings to change the brightness the settings to change the brightness and the contrast . 2386.39 2387.44 2393.34 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2387.761 2392.248 2387.85 2392.248 Channel , setting , menu . We have to go . 2388.2 2388.84 2389.2 2392.13 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2394.48 2395.127 2394.5 2394.95 Okay . 2394.95 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2394.683 2395.754 2394.87 2395.53 Channel , yeah . 2395.21 2395.53 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2396.868 2398.704 2396.91 2398.67 So um Save . 2398.67 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2397.831 2398.534 2398.0 2398.31 Chief ? 2398.31 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2400.108 2400.912 2400.28 2400.69 Chief ? 2400.69 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2401.12 2402.086 2401.14 2401.9 Yes see . 2401.9 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2401.949 2404.929 2402.08 2404.929 Th the menu menu button is also important . Then you can uh 2403.99 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2404.144 2405.4 2404.16 2405.16 Yes I have put it in . 2405.16 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2405.792 2409.936 2405.81 2409.87 Where ? I don't see it . Oh Menu , alright . 2407.65 2409.18 2409.57 2409.87 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2408.464 2408.916 2408.48 2408.82 Here . 2408.82 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 2409.664 2415.184 2410.0 2415.15 I think things like uh contrast and brightness should be um in the menu , yeah . 2414.93 2415.15 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2413.62 2423.895 2413.82 2423.64 In the menu . And you can uh then adjust it with the zapping buttons or something . Because uh the zapping buttons aren't used then if you are in the menu . Yeah . Or the volume , yeah . 2414.67 2419.51 2422.35 2422.8 2423.34 2423.64 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 2419.117 2420.021 2419.22 2420.021 Yeah , the 2419.43 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2419.92 2420.467 2419.94 2420.31 Alright . 2420.31 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 2420.647 2422.818 2420.85 2422.52 Or the volume or something like that . 2422.52 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2422.144 2430.026 2422.16 2430.026 Guys ? We're going to uh go to our uh rooms , and uh we'll have to decide s things on our own I think . So 2422.86 2425.68 2429.37 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 2426.315 2427.387 2426.36 2427.11 Your pen . 2427.11 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2427.44 2429.488 2427.46 2428.97 Ah . Great . 2428.73 2428.97 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2429.324 2430.127 2429.45 2429.96 Yes chief . 2429.96 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2432.144 2432.825 2432.2 2432.67 Alright . 2432.67 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 2433.216 2435.913 2433.35 2435.67 I thought we'd uh lunch uh right now , or not ? 2435.25 2435.67 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2433.508 2437.772 2433.66 2437.772 Well see you uh W w we have lunchtime , by the way , now uh so uh 2435.73 2436.38 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2434.112 2435.987 2434.28 2435.79 Yeah this is this is your thing . 2435.79 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2436.307 2438.45 2436.48 2438.45 Ah . Okay . 2437.13 2438.08 TS3009b B MTD035UID 1 2436.438 2437.955 2436.64 2437.8 Yeah , lunch break . 2437.18 2437.8 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2437.821 2443.264 2437.88 2443.264 I am hungry . 2443.09 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2438.798 2439.602 2438.88 2439.49 Lunch . 2439.49 TS3009b D MTD036ME 3 2439.632 2442.609 2439.632 2442.609 Get into my belly . 2442.49 TS3009b A MTD033PM 0 2442.688 2450.645 2442.71 2450.645 Ah . We didn't exactly do everything but So 2443.79 TS3009b C MTD034ID 2 2448.064 2449.707 2448.08 2449.707 See you later mate . 2449.61 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 37.152 52.741 37.38 52.55 Okay . Uh door is closed . Well , let's begin . Because if we have as much time as the last uh meeting , we'll have to hurry up . Um well I'll start with the presentation again , the agenda . 38.18 41.71 42.06 43.5 47.1 49.25 51.93 52.55 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 43.4 44.562 43.59 44.05 I'm listening . 44.05 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 46.454 47.184 46.59 47.1 Right . 47.1 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 51.398 52.062 51.57 51.95 Great . 51.95 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 57.313 58.11 57.51 57.93 Yo . 57.93 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 61.893 72.711 62.15 72.51 So . Uh This one I think . Uh yeah . Well alright . 64.97 69.19 71.83 72.51 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 73.695 87.077 73.82 87.077 Um well , I'll show you the notes . It's not as uh interesting as it should be because we just uh had the meeting , but I'll show them . We'll get your presentations again on the conceptual design . Um 75.03 76.07 80.11 81.98 86.06 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 87.077 106.112 87.55 105.88 Then we'll have to dec decide about the control , the remote control concepts . I've put a f uh a file in the project management folder , which says exactly uh what kind of decisions we should take . So this time we exactly know what to decide about . And then we'll close again . 90.29 91.97 95.27 99.88 104.55 105.88 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 91.628 92.524 91.93 92.23 Mm-hmm . 92.23 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 102.512 104.927 102.512 104.85 Alright , great . 104.19 104.85 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 106.112 107.017 106.3 106.69 Alright . 106.69 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 107.12 107.6 107.19 107.6 Uh - TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 109.472 115.067 109.61 114.88 Well these are some examples , but we'll talk about them later . We'll first look at your uh presentations . Alright ? 110.79 112.36 114.52 114.88 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 113.621 114.418 113.79 114.26 Mm-hmm . 114.26 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 116.56 119.116 116.71 118.95 Walter will uh start again this time ? 118.95 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 117.967 119.394 118.23 118.76 Yeah , great . 118.47 118.76 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 120.244 120.908 120.4 120.73 Yo . 120.73 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 120.755 123.008 120.97 122.55 Alright , Trendwatch . 121.82 122.55 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 123.397 124.094 123.53 124.03 'Kay . 124.03 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 137.987 138.718 138.1 138.28 Right . 138.28 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 141.007 156.97 141.51 156.55 I will speak about uh latest trends trends , latest fashion updates , and uh things we must not do . Uh the trends . It's very important that uh the control is fancy looking and good uh feeling . 144.38 145.69 148.93 150.81 156.55 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 148.584 149.082 148.72 148.88 'Kay . 148.88 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 156.97 178.263 157.49 177.99 Uh this because of our last model was very functional , but it uh people didn't like that , so our new mo model must be very good-looking . That's uh something you uh have to take a look at . And uh the feeling has to be very great . Also the menus and things like that they have to they have to feel great . 161.89 163.93 167.46 171.7 173.89 177.99 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 170.41 172.202 170.58 171.73 Mm-hmm . Alright . 171.46 171.73 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 178.076 178.872 178.26 178.56 Alright . 178.56 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 178.263 196.382 178.52 196.07 Um there's a minus uh two times here , because this is the most important point . This is uh two times as less important , and uh same for this one . Um , technological technological innovations , that's uh regarded very highly too . 181.54 183.85 186.94 188.8 190.17 192.99 196.07 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 185.489 187.049 185.65 187.049 Less . 186.92 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 196.382 207.856 196.382 207.856 Uh such as an uh L_C_D_ screen , uh speech uh acknowledgement , as we uh talked about earlier . So we have to have uh something like that , like we uh 199.66 202.13 204.87 207.15 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 202.989 203.951 203.16 203.81 Well , yeah . 203.43 203.81 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 207.535 210.92 207.78 210.78 L_C_D_ and our uh our fronts . 210.78 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 211.117 222.234 211.32 222.15 Right . Uh the last point is easy to use . Well I think that uh speaks for s for itself . I don't know who's uh who's going to look at that . Yeah ? 212.47 214.42 217.84 221.67 222.15 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 220.676 223.464 220.88 223.02 Easy to use ? I think that's your ta 222.2 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 221.52 232.416 221.54 232.416 Well , easy to use uh s is a bit uh contradictionary with the first uh Functional is not an issue , and then easy to use . Well we have to choose one of them . 222.15 228.94 230.13 231.94 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 228.44 229.701 228.56 229.38 Yeah , I know . 228.97 229.38 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 232.124 238.224 232.37 238.16 I think we have to go for the first one . It's the most important one . So we have to uh take that one . 233.85 235.31 238.16 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 233.487 235.264 233.7 235.264 Yeah . 235.14 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 234.015 234.679 234.15 234.45 Mm . 234.45 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 238.384 238.962 238.4 238.84 Okay . 238.84 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 239.259 246.624 239.35 246.59 So it it it isn't very important that that it works easy . But it has to look great . 245.11 246.59 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 244.923 248.08 245.03 248.02 Well something fancy looking can be can be easy to use . 248.02 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 248.475 252.516 248.61 252.33 Yeah . We'll we'll look at uh . 249.62 252.33 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 251.36 253.761 251.46 253.761 We'll see . 252.78 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 251.538 261.36 251.63 261.33 You Yeah . Yeah , yeah , you can make a very complicated uh uh remote anyway , so ease of use It's not a very comp complicated device . 252.73 253.0 253.37 256.97 261.33 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 257.482 258.444 257.56 258.2 Yeah , right . 257.89 258.2 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 259.705 274.539 260.04 274.34 But the most important thing is that it looks great and people say wow , that's real great uh great concept . Alright . Uh these are the new colours of this year . So it must be very bright , very colourful . People like this . 263.68 267.02 267.71 270.69 272.17 273.51 274.34 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 266.036 266.899 266.24 266.77 Alright . 266.77 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 266.336 266.933 266.48 266.69 'Kay . 266.69 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 275.632 290.253 275.67 290.253 So we we have to think uh in this direction . So i set your mind to it . Findings ? Fashion update ? Fruit and vegetables are cool . I am told . 278.83 282.19 283.44 285.38 287.67 289.7 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 278.946 279.776 278.99 279.776 So - TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 281.634 282.331 281.88 282.331 Well - TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 287.693 292.472 287.693 292.43 Uh you think ? 292.43 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 290.253 320.032 290.43 320.0 The group we are targeting is uh very pleased with fruit and vegetables . So we we we might cons consider in front of uh in in that sort of uh way . Uh furthermore uh material , that's your part , should be very strong . I was thinking of something like uh well uh iron plate over it , maybe in a colour or something , that looks so f really flashy but it it is also strong . And that's uh also for the younger public . 294.36 302.66 304.9 305.59 307.07 311.96 313.33 317.42 320.0 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 301.312 302.209 301.33 302.209 Yeah , well 301.71 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 302.324 303.585 302.49 303.41 Bananas . 303.41 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 312.306 313.003 312.41 312.96 Mm . 312.96 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 313.293 314.023 313.45 313.94 Yeah . 313.94 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 317.445 317.81 317.54 317.6 B - TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 320.266 328.595 320.34 328.38 Well the the handy thing about our fronts is that we can follow these trends e ev every year . Th this year it's fruits but next year it's it's something totally different . 324.59 328.38 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 326.983 338.496 327.16 338.27 Yeah , that's great . But I think we can all make the the fronts of titanium or something uh really thin . So it looks very heavy but you can still uh use it very easily . 327.56 328.71 334.17 338.27 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 328.267 329.296 328.46 328.73 Yeah . 328.73 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 332.677 333.606 332.86 333.42 Yes . 333.42 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 338.317 339.014 338.45 338.68 Mm . 338.68 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 338.352 339.447 338.51 339.29 Yep , alright . 338.89 339.29 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 339.856 356.624 339.93 356.56 Well , the don'ts . Older people like dark colours and simple shapes . Well we don't want uh older people , we want young people . So uh we're gonna turn that around . We're gonna have real uh cool shapes and lots of colours . Right ? Okay . 340.38 341.58 344.41 346.57 347.83 350.76 355.39 356.37 356.56 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 350.662 351.425 350.8 351.39 Alright . 351.39 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 355.912 358.002 356.1 357.8 Wood is popular . Aha . 357.55 357.8 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 357.792 359.056 357.92 358.7 We don't want wood . 358.7 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 358.976 361.089 358.976 360.96 Yeah yeah yeah . 360.96 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 358.856 361.046 359.14 360.93 Yeah , among the old people , yeah . 359.42 360.53 360.93 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 360.631 363.551 360.81 363.5 Old people . So , that's it for me . 362.0 362.33 363.5 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 363.345 368.688 363.52 368.5 Alright . Nice , uh well show us . 364.69 365.41 368.5 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 377.706 380.759 377.96 380.63 Right , I am going to tell you something about the components design . 378.14 380.63 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 384.352 400.036 384.37 399.8 Uh again I have uh put up the specification properties . This uh so um uh the different uh components of the of of the device . And the materials ? Um I have heard several things , so I uh I'll have to change that on the way . 387.75 394.62 395.35 397.91 399.8 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 400.036 412.96 400.44 412.96 But uh the case ? Uh I suggested uh in the previous meeting hard plastic . But uh as you indicated uh it should be strong . It should feel strong . So maybe plastic is not uh sufficient . We should move to uh something 401.26 405.11 407.6 408.43 411.2 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 405.602 407.394 405.92 407.29 Yeah , we should change that . 406.23 407.29 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 411.576 416.156 411.66 416.156 Well maybe it it it is , but it doesn't look strong . So maybe 413.37 415.12 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 415.288 422.944 415.58 422.944 Well yeah . Y Hard plastic i is of course uh pretty pretty tough , but it doesn't have a really really tough look . So 416.1 418.86 422.68 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 421.39 422.551 421.61 422.21 No no no . 422.21 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 422.094 427.702 422.26 427.702 But we still have to look at our price of course . Because uh if we want an L_C_D_ uh window etcetera uh 424.27 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 424.24 425.501 424.37 425.38 Yeah . Also Yeah . 424.73 425.38 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 427.161 443.057 427.18 442.81 Mm-hmm . But we'll return to that . Uh the buttons of course rubber , I think everyone agrees . And electrical cables , copper is all pretty basic stuff . The chips made of silicon , I guess . I think that's the best uh way to do it . And infra infrared l LED is uh just a simple bulb . 427.5 428.84 429.94 430.95 432.5 434.86 436.45 436.91 438.7 442.81 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 428.499 429.163 428.67 428.89 Yeah ? 428.89 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 444.544 465.498 444.63 465.43 Then I've uh had a few findings , made a few findings . Uh the target audience product style . Um it's uh um generally the case that uh senior and wealthy people above uh forty five years old uh like , as you said , uh particularly the traditional materials as such as wood and materials such as that . 447.71 448.54 451.4 459.91 460.61 465.43 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 465.498 488.285 465.96 488.24 They also like straightforward shapes and luxurious style . But of course that's not our uh things this . So this is things we must not do . And then we have uh young uh and dynamic uh people , which is of course our uh group , the people we aim at . Um under forty five years old . Uh they like soft materials uh with primary colours . 469.37 471.73 474.06 476.8 479.2 480.78 483.41 488.24 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 473.333 474.097 473.52 473.85 Yes . 473.85 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 488.285 504.186 488.57 504.11 Soft materials is of course uh agai again a bit a contradiction with uh our uh material choice of what you said , that uh it should be hard an and and and and strong looking . But they like soft materials , uh so we might uh we have to consider that . And 495.32 499.26 500.4 503.84 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 498.447 499.608 498.69 499.41 Mm . Yeah . 499.05 499.41 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 499.373 500.588 499.68 500.0 Yeah . 500.0 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 504.186 519.02 504.57 518.88 also they like curved round shapes . So not uh too formal like like uh the older people want . And if uh also a finding but not very ap applicable here , that sports and gaming devices such as uh 506.11 510.52 514.81 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 519.02 529.287 519.11 529.09 discmans for jogging and that those kind of devices , gaming devices , should define the characteristics of the device . But uh since we don't have a really a sports or gaming device , so we don't really have to consider that . 521.32 522.41 524.27 526.91 529.09 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 528.862 538.752 529.05 538.752 Sports uh , they're uh that uh are accessible on on your L_C_D_ uh window uh Huh ? That's nice . 530.82 537.59 538.65 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 532.272 535.088 532.4 534.97 Soccer fronts . Mm . 534.73 534.97 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 535.797 536.394 535.85 536.21 Mm . 536.21 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 538.247 538.745 538.47 538.59 Hmm . 538.59 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 539.779 541.97 539.81 541.91 Well I also have um - TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 539.814 541.174 539.92 541.03 All the results ? 541.03 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 541.034 543.968 541.15 543.83 We keep coming back to the fronts . 543.83 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 542.96 543.823 543.0 543.823 Yeah . 543.4 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 543.728 549.648 543.88 549.55 several examples of uh styles , so you can get a clear picture of uh what I mean . 546.71 549.55 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 548.768 549.504 548.91 549.36 Yeah . 549.36 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 550.992 556.32 551.01 556.29 Uh these are the basic uh older older peoples' stuff . 556.29 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 556.573 557.792 556.573 557.48 Yeah . 557.48 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 556.488 557.644 556.94 557.38 Yeah . 557.38 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 557.599 581.584 557.9 581.55 It was not very uh interesting uh , very classical looking , but that's n that's not what we want . We have these kind of things . I don't know what exactly they are . It looks like Well you know uh you recognise the shapes , it's very primary colours , uh bright colours and uh round shapes . You also uh see uh this device , it's not very round and Fruity of course . Yeah , it uh That's true . 560.16 561.19 562.5 564.08 565.31 568.69 570.09 573.07 575.94 579.37 579.63 581.55 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 561.234 567.141 561.37 567.08 Mm-hmm . Nai . Uh no . 565.39 565.53 567.08 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 562.533 563.363 562.72 563.01 Hmm . 563.01 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 563.608 580.329 563.608 579.59 Fruity . Fruity . 579.22 579.59 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 580.173 582.629 580.35 582.49 It's t terrible . Alright . 581.99 582.49 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 582.604 594.08 582.65 594.08 And uh well round shapes , primary colours . You can see it all here . And of course uh this famous device . I think as you know something uh some devices like this . So to give you an idea of uh 584.03 584.81 586.05 588.4 592.55 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 586.644 587.109 586.8 587.04 Hmm ? 587.04 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 590.593 591.589 590.68 591.48 Yeah , alright . 590.9 591.48 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 592.396 596.578 592.63 596.24 Well it's got a strong look , this . Yeah . 594.46 596.09 596.24 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 595.115 601.92 595.22 601.92 This has a strong look . Although it's plastic , it's it's grey to to to give it iron look . That's uh 596.02 597.44 601.11 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 597.606 599.631 597.67 599.52 Yeah , it still has a strong look . 598.02 599.52 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 599.387 601.611 599.52 601.34 Yeah . And it's round . 600.64 601.34 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 601.456 603.547 601.6 603.14 But then you are losing your fruity colours . 603.14 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 603.611 605.37 603.81 605.37 Yeah . Well we have to make a 604.11 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 604.864 612.599 604.94 612.47 Well you can make th th th that middle ring can you you can make another colour . So uh those kind of things you can you can combine . 609.52 612.47 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 609.022 609.885 609.25 609.63 That's true . 609.63 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 610.128 633.524 610.18 633.524 Well we can't really make a round uh a round remote control . I don't think that's very practical , but But uh it's important to to uh to think about the colour . Because if we make it grey or or silvery looking , it it does make it a lot more uh does make it looking a lot more stronger . 'Cause if you look at this , it it doesn't look very very strong , becau But this is plastic , and and this too , but 613.98 615.23 620.28 622.57 627.75 628.49 630.88 632.35 633.11 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 615.155 616.25 615.25 616.15 No , it isn't . 615.74 616.15 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 619.402 620.214 619.56 620.0 Okay . 620.0 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 627.247 628.774 627.59 628.774 Yeah but the - TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 627.581 628.245 627.69 627.89 Yes . 627.89 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 632.059 640.144 632.31 640.11 But it doesn't have to look strong . The the results are , the feel of the material is expected to be strongy . The feel . 633.81 636.18 639.59 640.11 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 638.842 642.261 638.99 642.261 The feel ? Uh alright . Well 639.64 641.68 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 641.692 642.986 641.78 642.85 So , if you ti 642.26 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 642.288 648.029 642.4 648.029 And it it doesn't have to be strong , also . Only the feel . 644.73 646.5 647.9 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 644.645 645.342 644.76 645.342 Well - TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 644.701 646.393 644.89 646.28 Nah yeah the feel - TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 646.105 653.008 646.21 652.97 You you Maybe you should have uh some some coloured titanium or something . So it it looks pretty but it feels strong . 650.31 652.97 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 652.964 653.727 653.2 653.51 Right . 653.51 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 653.179 653.776 653.37 653.6 Mm-hmm . 653.6 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 653.771 654.6 653.9 654.41 Oh . 654.41 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 654.822 655.752 655.0 655.42 I agree . 655.42 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 655.024 672.518 655.1 672.37 And I Then I have some more findings . Um uh about the energy energy source of the of the device , uh I uh suggest uh the basic battery . I uh got some other um uh uh energy sources of course . But solar energy is not very practical inside a house , because you don't have a have a lot of uh sun . 656.86 661.4 664.46 668.13 670.94 672.37 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 672.518 681.6 672.96 681.6 And uh kinetic and and and dynamos are are not very practical , I think , for uh for a simple remote , that's a bit , oh , that's a bit uh 676.66 676.98 679.33 680.29 680.88 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 680.125 683.51 680.125 683.51 No titanium . 683.42 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 683.904 701.17 683.92 700.97 That's a bit uh much . And I also suggest uh as a shape uh a double curved case . Uh the disadvantage of that that you can use no titanium . That that's the information I received . If you use the curved case , uh a curved case , double curved then you 686.13 691.01 695.15 697.12 699.29 700.08 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 701.727 703.685 701.82 703.61 What do you exactly mean with double curved ? 703.61 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 701.834 720.75 702.15 720.75 can't use titanium . Now uh this uh to give it a more modern look . And uh now the the shape , yeah , a curved case . Um yeah I think uh sort of triangle-shaped bottom or something . Uh a more modern look not plain , long box style , but 703.57 706.89 709.08 710.2 711.07 716.29 719.62 720.4 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 720.386 723.173 720.386 722.99 I dunno . 722.99 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 721.174 722.336 721.33 722.15 Double curved ? 722.15 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 722.638 732.66 722.638 732.66 I'll draw it , but maybe later . And it makes uh it gives it a more u user friendly shape , than if you have uh . Um anyway 723.84 726.84 729.32 731.73 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 722.809 726.625 723.05 726.625 Yeah . Yeah . 724.84 726.5 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 723.032 726.912 723.16 726.912 It it mean Yeah , well okay . 724.52 726.66 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 732.66 743.823 732.94 743.77 Um f as uh for the buttons , simple push buttons . No uh otherwi uh no um difficult scroll things or some uh things like that , because it makes more complex and expensive . 735.21 736.13 742.08 743.77 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 743.823 764.416 744.36 764.416 And , uh as we agreed , we don't use a speaker or a sensor or um uh speak uh speech uh controlled device . Because it makes it also more complex and expensive . But we do use an L_C_D_ screen , so we uh we do have to consider uh of we have to use a more advanced chip , which is more complex and expensive . But 744.6 745.53 754.44 756.16 757.63 762.26 764.11 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 751.028 752.256 751.32 751.7 Yeah right . 751.7 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 765.105 765.636 765.17 765.636 Well - TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 765.577 767.601 765.73 767.601 It's worth the trouble I think , because 766.84 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 766.576 769.862 766.65 769.71 The buttons can be made of an uh a soft material . 769.71 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 770.625 772.118 770.73 771.71 Because people like that . 771.71 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 772.007 774.994 772.18 774.9 This soft material thing from uh Yeah . 774.9 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 772.978 778.885 773.17 778.82 Uh rubber is a soft material , I guess . Uh soft enough . So that's uh basically what I want to talk about . 774.44 774.77 776.63 778.82 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 774.368 775.861 774.56 775.6 Yeah . Right . 775.28 775.6 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 774.88 776.267 774.9 776.08 Yeah . Right . Yeah . 775.54 775.89 776.08 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 777.445 782.589 777.59 782.48 Alright . Okay . We will take that . And then uh Mike ? 779.1 780.08 780.84 782.48 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 794.171 794.934 794.33 794.83 Okay . 794.83 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 800.132 800.928 800.45 800.67 Yeah . 800.67 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 804.608 811.088 804.63 810.97 Well um nah the method um we will um include the buttons as we discussed uh earlier . 810.97 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 812.304 835.554 812.35 835.21 Um an L_C_D_ s screen will be implemented . Um we must decide where , this meeting . Um there are new developments in speech recognition um systems , um and they are already being uh used on uh coffee machines . And um well they're cheap , so we could use them now . 815.72 817.8 819.11 825.1 830.14 832.73 835.21 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 833.982 834.612 833.982 834.612 Oh - TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 835.554 853.216 835.82 853.13 Um it's not really speech recognition , it's more um like you can um talk to the chip , uh record the message and record an answer , and then once you uh talk to the remote , then um he will a answer with the 838.32 843.83 846.72 849.9 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 836.139 837.252 836.3 836.95 That's interesting . 836.95 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 854.24 863.424 854.34 863.24 the prerecorded message that you left . So if I say hi Mike , and you have recorded uh hi Mike back , then you will get that . 856.41 858.68 861.39 863.24 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 856.514 858.173 856.72 858.1 Oh , yeah , I understand . Yeah . 857.13 857.37 857.87 858.1 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 856.528 857.823 856.77 857.56 Oh okay . 857.56 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 862.38 868.121 862.52 867.98 Okay . But you can also say that , when you say something , it does some function . 863.66 864.9 866.02 867.98 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 863.165 864.028 863.38 863.81 Right . 863.81 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 867.233 873.936 867.4 873.73 No it doesn't does not do anything . But i it's just a Yeah it's it's cheap . 870.07 873.73 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 867.944 868.641 868.13 868.36 No . 868.36 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 868.818 869.382 868.88 869.23 Oh . 869.23 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 870.146 871.108 870.21 871.108 That's a bit uh - TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 870.13 874.942 870.25 874.58 But that that makes it cheap . It's it's just a an extra function , and it's cheap . 872.0 874.02 874.58 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 872.145 873.074 872.33 873.074 Yeah . 872.85 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 872.469 877.088 872.66 877.05 Yes . I understand . But it has no functionality for our remote at all . 873.36 874.5 877.05 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 875.805 877.033 876.05 877.033 No but - TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 876.359 878.848 876.43 878.59 No but that's the gadget they want , or the gimmicks . 877.92 878.59 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 877.564 880.683 877.69 880.43 Yeah , right . Young people love them . 878.02 879.52 880.43 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 878.858 881.792 878.97 881.76 But it it's n nice for young people . They like gadgets . Yeah . 880.96 881.61 881.76 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 880.474 885.22 880.68 885.22 Yes , we we should really uh include that one , I think . Um 881.07 883.33 884.44 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 881.081 882.044 881.23 881.84 Yeah , ple 881.63 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 883.272 884.135 883.45 883.83 Right . 883.83 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 884.002 885.263 884.23 885.03 If it's cheap . Yeah . 884.78 885.03 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 884.288 885.294 884.32 885.02 Hmm . 885.02 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 886.368 899.821 886.39 899.821 Well , as I said uh earlier I think the uh L_C_D_ screen should be uh positioned at the lower end of the remote . Um the buttons for screen width and general settings and uh and that kind of stuff 887.05 892.72 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 899.821 916.628 900.05 916.55 um we can also do let that kind of functions um be shown in the L_C_D_ screen , uh instead of uh extra buttons . I think young people and yeah w well every user would like that . 908.12 911.07 916.55 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 907.839 909.698 907.96 909.41 So you put a menu in the L_C_D_ ? 909.41 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 918.448 936.88 918.47 936.71 Um the buttons um should be positioned uh positioned the same way as they are on a , well , conventional remote , I think . For the learnability and uh well to keep it recognisable . A voice recognition can be uh implemented . 926.95 927.23 928.18 928.79 934.03 936.71 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 937.904 952.512 937.92 952.512 And uh I drew an example , but it did not work quite the well uh the way I wanted it to do . Hmm ? Well I have the I can draw it again , and I know what I did wrong . I didn't tick the note bo box in the . Um 939.85 944.5 945.08 946.75 948.1 952.05 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 940.734 945.779 940.734 945.68 Alright . How How 943.51 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 942.984 945.771 943.14 945.56 Can you draw it now of uh Can you draw it now ? 945.56 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 944.8 945.136 944.82 945.1 Ah . 945.1 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 950.517 951.778 950.68 951.52 Mm . Alright . 951.12 951.52 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 952.463 956.179 952.61 955.98 How do you uh uh give input to the menu on the L_C_D_ screen ? 955.98 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 957.12 963.184 957.12 963.184 Um with the uh the up and down and and well buttons and the - TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 961.29 965.438 961.52 965.16 Alright . So you have a menu button , and then you can go up and down . 962.29 963.97 965.16 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 964.706 967.76 964.78 967.7 Well I will draw what I had drawn on the screen . 967.7 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 964.738 968.64 964.8 968.61 But then we should also have an uh an Okay button . 968.61 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 968.591 969.586 968.71 969.32 Yeah right . 969.32 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 968.821 974.297 968.98 974.12 Yes . Um I shall draw this . If it uh works . 969.79 972.78 974.12 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 970.306 971.833 970.306 971.69 button , yeah . 971.45 971.69 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 976.453 980.103 976.59 979.92 Just uh There is already a blank . Yes ? So Yeah . 978.43 978.96 979.92 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 978.982 980.077 979.12 979.98 Yeah . 979.98 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 980.896 981.925 981.0 981.77 Mm so have I . 981.77 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 985.775 986.638 985.9 986.32 Nah . 986.32 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 986.183 987.676 986.183 987.676 . 987.676 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 991.26 993.185 991.26 993.11 You have to push hard . 993.11 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1005.496 1007.255 1005.65 1007.15 I suggest a banana shape . 1007.15 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1008.516 1010.905 1008.65 1010.84 Because of the fruity uh fashion . 1010.84 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1008.538 1009.202 1008.67 1008.99 Yeah . 1008.99 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1010.032 1010.828 1010.22 1010.73 Yeah . 1010.73 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1011.552 1014.32 1011.64 1014.25 No m Next year that's out . 1014.25 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1012.51 1013.97 1012.64 1013.97 Yellow and - TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1014.828 1019.28 1014.94 1019.28 Yeah alright , yeah . Just a hunch . 1015.82 1016.79 1019.12 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1020.624 1025.856 1020.7 1025.79 Well these little buttons are a bit difficult to uh draw uh - TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1024.05 1024.714 1024.14 1024.59 Yeah . 1024.59 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1026.344 1029.006 1026.5 1028.87 Those are the the cha the channel buttons of course ? 1028.87 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1026.828 1027.724 1027.02 1027.5 correct . 1027.5 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1028.222 1030.114 1028.27 1029.85 Yeah just uh the numbers . 1029.85 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1033.114 1035.569 1033.27 1035.39 And then below is the L_C_D_ screen ? 1035.39 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1039.31 1042.728 1039.34 1042.64 These these will be bigger in the the real design . 1042.64 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1041.972 1043.267 1042.08 1042.93 Alright , yeah . 1042.67 1042.93 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1044.144 1053.513 1044.23 1053.37 This must be the Okay button used to uh interact with the L_C_D_ screen . And with this you can uh , yes , go to through the menus and that can 1049.47 1051.15 1051.5 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1048.709 1049.506 1048.91 1049.32 Mm-hmm . 1049.32 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1050.646 1051.276 1050.81 1051.04 Yeah . 1051.04 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1054.387 1064.575 1054.47 1064.44 Um the video button should be uh an apart button , because you want it to uh t , yeah , to use it fast within one uh click . 1059.69 1061.91 1062.16 1064.44 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1055.132 1056.194 1055.37 1056.15 You've - TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1058.416 1059.042 1058.44 1058.88 Yes . 1058.88 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1061.902 1062.764 1062.15 1062.61 Right . 1062.61 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1065.043 1066.47 1065.08 1066.28 And what's the menu button ? 1066.28 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1064.988 1067.41 1065.12 1067.13 And you you need a you need a speaker . 1067.13 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1065.139 1067.196 1065.26 1067.196 Um it's - TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1068.439 1070.463 1068.48 1070.15 For the - TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1068.391 1069.022 1068.61 1068.8 Hmm ? 1068.8 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1070.176 1076.356 1070.2 1076.356 This button can also be the Menu button , we use in the menus Well we we can add another button here , but 1073.08 1076.03 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1073.605 1076.791 1073.64 1076.55 But how did How do you get out of the menu then ? Yeah . 1076.26 1076.55 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1077.754 1081.47 1077.83 1081.47 Maybe I you could j just do an an exit with Okay . Uh 1081.4 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1078.464 1087.12 1078.61 1087.07 Uh by pe pressing the menu button again . By pressing the menu button again , you go uh out . It's usual the the the d kind of the way it works . 1081.05 1082.26 1083.45 1087.07 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1082.137 1083.696 1082.34 1083.6 Yeah . Yeah . 1083.09 1083.6 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1082.793 1083.29 1082.81 1083.16 Yeah . 1083.16 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1085.023 1092.921 1085.13 1092.921 Yes , well but bec because when you push Menu you get in , and then you have to push Okay when you get to a choice . And 1085.41 1088.94 1092.26 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1087.981 1089.375 1088.14 1089.11 Yeah ? Yeah ? 1088.94 1089.11 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1091.023 1092.981 1091.17 1092.981 Ah right . Well you you 1092.15 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1091.632 1095.183 1091.74 1094.97 Yeah . But you can men you can press menu again to get out . 1092.34 1094.97 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1095.178 1098.994 1095.27 1098.994 Well that's also the Okay button . That's you you should have uh 1096.98 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1097.392 1102.96 1097.42 1102.83 No no , we we we should uh add uh a extra Menu button and this the Okay button . 1097.89 1102.83 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1097.562 1098.326 1097.76 1098.16 No . 1098.16 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1101.251 1106.561 1101.38 1106.33 Or you can put in the L_C_D_'s uh window an option Get Out . 1106.33 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1106.569 1107.432 1106.84 1107.33 Exit . 1107.33 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1107.656 1108.585 1107.78 1108.23 Exit . 1108.23 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1107.916 1114.609 1108.27 1114.45 Ah once you have an extra Menu button , you don't need that that extra option . You have uh redundancy . 1110.02 1112.99 1114.45 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1112.256 1114.251 1112.28 1114.16 Well , it's just a choice . 1113.3 1114.16 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1112.974 1119.777 1113.18 1119.64 But we need a we need a a recording recording button for the speech uh part . Or don't 1118.97 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1119.033 1122.517 1119.22 1122.3 Yeah , if we decide to uh to implement that , maybe we should . 1119.61 1121.67 1122.3 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1121.454 1127.568 1121.62 1127.51 Why would you put it uh then , and where is the recording uh the microphone ? Where would you put it ? 1123.18 1126.82 1127.51 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1126.798 1130.781 1127.01 1130.52 Well they that could be anywhere . That's very small . It could be uh down here . 1128.34 1129.1 1130.52 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1132.87 1133.666 1133.04 1133.36 Uh-huh . 1133.36 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1133.52 1140.994 1133.52 1140.82 Um . Well , not here . I yeah I suggest here . But that's just a little gap . Yeah . 1134.73 1134.91 1135.4 1137.23 1140.34 1140.82 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1139.064 1142.217 1139.29 1142.11 Right , and spea speaker at the back , or something . 1139.53 1140.96 1142.11 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1139.341 1140.536 1139.56 1140.36 Microphone , yeah . 1140.14 1140.36 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1141.79 1146.416 1141.84 1146.38 Well the speaker and the microphone , I think , are the same uh little hole thingy . 1143.05 1143.44 1146.38 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1147.008 1156.136 1147.008 1155.88 Yeah I understand . Uh but uh we could uh d do , but it's perhaps more expensive , uh the speaker on the back or something . 1149.66 1151.64 1152.95 1155.88 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1148.288 1150.546 1148.288 1150.04 Alright . 1150.04 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1148.726 1149.855 1148.726 1149.67 Yeah . 1149.67 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1154.036 1154.899 1154.16 1154.82 Well i - TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1156.8 1163.888 1156.82 1163.888 Um there are a all already being implemented in in coffee machines , so they won't be uh very expensive . But 1161.36 1163.49 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1164.239 1164.836 1164.33 1164.53 Huh ? 1164.53 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1164.864 1165.44 1165.13 1165.38 Alright . 1165.38 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1165.358 1166.287 1165.58 1166.05 Alright . 1166.05 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1166.197 1167.425 1166.33 1167.33 Yeah ? Okay . 1166.95 1167.33 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1167.141 1172.517 1167.28 1172.12 This is my suggested design . Um Yes . 1169.89 1172.12 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1168.496 1174.958 1168.53 1174.9 Well , okay , alright . Um then let's have a look at the decisions we are going to have to make . 1168.86 1169.15 1170.07 1174.9 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1175.47 1187.019 1175.63 1187.019 And oh I think as you can see so , the L_C_D_ screen does look better uh at the lower end , or at the bottom . But 1177.83 1182.28 1184.37 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1182.656 1183.819 1182.68 1183.72 I'd I agree . 1183.72 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1184.063 1188.768 1184.2 1187.89 Yeah , fine . Move on . 1184.46 1187.15 1187.89 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1185.179 1188.531 1185.179 1188.531 Fine . 1188.39 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1187.397 1189.322 1187.64 1189.0 Well yeah yeah yeah . 1189.0 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1189.825 1190.456 1190.0 1190.32 Yeah . 1190.32 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1190.416 1193.664 1190.44 1193.664 Oh , um I had some uh examples . You can uh 1190.64 1193.25 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1192.574 1193.703 1192.73 1193.46 I can live with it . 1193.46 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1193.411 1194.141 1193.58 1193.95 Yes ? 1193.95 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1194.651 1195.614 1194.651 1195.614 But - TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1197.472 1199.762 1197.61 1199.762 I did not like it very much , but 1199.45 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1201.472 1202.784 1201.49 1202.75 Well these are - TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1203.334 1204.164 1203.51 1203.98 Too big . 1203.98 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1203.843 1209.252 1203.89 1209.252 quite obvious , very ugly remote . Um 1205.29 1208.23 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1206.696 1207.625 1206.97 1207.3 Yeah . 1207.3 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1207.746 1210.136 1208.07 1209.91 They do they don't look fruity enough . 1209.91 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1209.648 1211.839 1209.648 1211.67 Nei They're n they're not trendy . 1211.67 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1209.949 1211.309 1210.1 1211.27 No , well th 1210.8 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1210.535 1211.896 1210.72 1211.75 They're all black . 1211.75 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1212.448 1217.88 1212.47 1217.88 Yeah . Well not all . 1213.67 1217.14 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1216.127 1218.88 1216.127 1218.88 Hey , that one I like . 1217.05 1218.77 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1218.544 1221.0 1218.8 1220.83 Uh this is for children but th - TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1218.664 1219.826 1218.87 1219.826 Tho Yeah those - TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1219.969 1222.24 1220.16 1221.17 It doesn't look strong . 1221.17 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1221.398 1222.261 1221.398 1222.09 No . 1222.09 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1221.371 1222.167 1221.53 1222.08 No . 1222.08 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1222.116 1223.908 1222.28 1223.908 But it doesn't uh the - TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1223.289 1226.442 1223.42 1226.27 W but with the colours i it's a bit the way we're going to . 1226.27 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1223.859 1228.34 1223.859 1228.34 The remote . 1227.94 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1226.241 1227.37 1226.42 1226.87 Yeah right . 1226.87 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1226.723 1227.918 1226.87 1227.63 Yeah , ok Yeah . 1227.09 1227.63 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1227.506 1229.936 1227.62 1229.936 Well this is a terrible - TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1228.944 1229.601 1228.96 1229.41 Terrible . 1229.41 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1229.128 1230.456 1229.41 1230.38 This is just crazy . 1230.38 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1231.408 1235.408 1231.408 1235.21 But it it must not look too childish of course huh ? 1235.21 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1231.936 1234.744 1231.96 1234.744 It's it's all too much buttons . Too many buttons . That's 1233.47 1234.22 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1231.987 1242.573 1232.13 1242.573 Um this looks Yeah . This uh these are the L_C_D_ screens . I think we should , if it's um possible , uh one with colours , but 1235.13 1237.14 1238.45 1240.42 1242.09 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1242.65 1246.201 1242.77 1246.07 Nah th It's too expensive . Yeah . 1245.45 1246.07 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1243.44 1246.389 1243.47 1246.18 I don't know uh Too expensive ? Alright . 1245.73 1246.18 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1243.783 1245.741 1243.99 1245.57 Well , that's too expensive I think . 1244.41 1245.57 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1247.696 1249.077 1247.72 1248.93 Well Nah . 1248.93 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1247.763 1249.257 1247.97 1249.257 But it Yeah . 1249.11 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1248.048 1249.856 1248.07 1249.67 Alright . Yeah . 1249.42 1249.67 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1250.619 1251.383 1250.78 1251.23 Okay . 1251.23 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1252.363 1254.188 1252.54 1254.06 Ha , even more . N 1252.86 1253.86 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1252.478 1252.909 1252.58 1252.8 Huh . 1252.8 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1254.368 1256.784 1254.43 1256.784 Mm no . 1256.53 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1257.55 1260.205 1257.73 1259.89 But are we going for a strange uh form ? 1259.89 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1257.655 1258.318 1257.78 1258.07 'Kay . 1258.07 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1261.172 1262.865 1261.3 1262.7 No , not very strange . 1261.6 1262.7 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1261.267 1262.694 1261.56 1262.42 'Cause people like that . 1262.42 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1262.495 1265.216 1262.63 1265.09 Not not too strange . No . 1264.3 1265.09 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1263.611 1269.152 1263.82 1269.08 Not too strange . You can make the the underside , you can make it more round , where the L_C_D_ is . 1264.37 1266.04 1268.04 1269.08 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1264.226 1265.221 1264.38 1265.06 It still has t - TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1267.456 1272.294 1267.52 1272.0 Yes . Th a a kind of bridge . So it f falls over the hand . 1268.08 1270.21 1272.0 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1270.347 1277.947 1270.41 1277.75 I dunno if you know the No Nokia telephone , with uh the round uh thing at at the bottoms , s something like that . 1273.12 1276.82 1277.75 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1270.289 1271.052 1270.48 1271.052 Well - TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1274.716 1275.977 1274.87 1275.76 Yeah ? Yeah ? 1275.59 1275.76 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1278.632 1279.23 1278.76 1279.17 Yeah . 1279.17 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1278.644 1280.502 1278.86 1280.25 You know ? 1280.25 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1279.856 1290.976 1280.06 1290.94 Well I have at home a remote with a bridge . It's just a half round half half circle at And then it falls exactly over the hand , and that's very nice . That's It feels comfortable . 1282.84 1288.37 1289.67 1290.94 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1291.71 1298.348 1291.87 1297.99 Yeah , but people like something uh new you know . Yeah , different . Y yis 1292.21 1295.33 1296.06 1297.54 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1294.248 1301.283 1294.42 1301.01 Exotic yeah . We have t Yeah , yeah . I will design it , we design it later . So we'll get to that later I guess . 1295.97 1296.86 1297.27 1298.19 1299.12 1301.01 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1296.829 1297.393 1296.93 1297.21 Yeah . 1297.21 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1299.708 1301.069 1299.89 1300.9 Alright . Great . 1300.69 1300.9 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1300.712 1307.744 1300.87 1307.64 Yeah , alright . Um where did I put it ? Um conceptual phase , I think this is it . 1301.08 1301.66 1304.03 1306.27 1307.64 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1303.838 1305.796 1303.92 1305.796 The specific shape . The 1304.99 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1309.904 1317.856 1309.93 1317.82 I got this from our friends . So Uh yeah the conceptual design . 1313.68 1317.82 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1314.085 1316.474 1314.085 1316.32 Our sources . 1316.32 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1319.266 1330.217 1319.31 1330.05 These are a few examples which we have to decide about . All the the materials from the case , uh the electric cable that's all your uh your side of the story . 1322.39 1325.65 1330.05 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1331.056 1331.71 1331.08 1331.71 Um - TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1331.301 1333.723 1331.47 1333.48 Your bag . 1333.48 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1332.592 1344.352 1332.592 1344.352 Yeah . Um now from the user interface , your uh package ? Um where No well , that's more like the buttons where they have to come . And um 1334.51 1336.63 1339.63 1340.97 1343.71 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1345.568 1349.52 1345.59 1349.46 B a bit of , yeah well , a bit of uh design . 1346.99 1347.72 1349.46 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1349.917 1353.866 1350.1 1353.64 Yeah , this is what we've just done . Right ? 1350.3 1353.17 1353.64 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1352.749 1354.342 1352.85 1354.15 But uh we should decide now . 1354.15 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1352.792 1363.376 1352.96 1363.34 Yes , but we have to decide about these now . And uh the trend-watching . So as you said , fruity is in , well sells good . Wow . Uh these things . 1353.22 1356.01 1357.89 1359.0 1360.08 1361.47 1362.29 1363.34 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1354.496 1355.426 1354.52 1355.21 Ah right . 1355.21 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1354.896 1358.513 1354.96 1358.03 Yeah . Materials are the most , most impor 1355.9 1357.13 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1361.334 1362.263 1361.53 1362.16 Yeah . 1362.16 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1363.335 1365.89 1363.49 1365.89 So we have to uh put it in one uh document . 1365.68 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1366.432 1369.968 1366.59 1369.968 Uh yes . Um so if we uh go through them 1367.46 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1369.423 1377.264 1369.59 1377.23 Copy paste uh this story into a into a Word document , and then uh put the answers after the subjects . Yeah . 1373.55 1376.98 1377.23 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1380.005 1381.034 1380.14 1380.87 Not everything . 1380.87 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1382.233 1383.958 1382.38 1383.88 Well we have to decide all these things ? 1383.88 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1383.954 1387.538 1384.08 1387.3 Yeah but all these examples are uh of a coffee machine . 1387.3 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1387.768 1388.688 1387.84 1388.688 Yeah well uh - TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1389.733 1392.255 1389.92 1392.04 W we can uh override them ? 1392.04 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1390.024 1391.119 1390.13 1391.119 Why should I uh - TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1392.082 1392.779 1392.19 1392.51 Yeah . 1392.51 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1394.848 1395.4 1394.93 1395.4 So - TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1395.636 1401.144 1395.7 1401.144 Well a case ? Uh that's me . Uh I suggest Well what do I suggest actually ? 1396.55 1397.44 1400.94 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1399.681 1403.936 1399.86 1403.9 What what kind of properties should it have ? Well we just listened . 1402.73 1403.9 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1402.405 1406.355 1402.405 1406.12 Uh s solid , yeah . Yeah . 1405.11 1405.9 1406.12 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1403.836 1415.984 1404.01 1415.984 I think we Why don't we um use uh titanium or or a hard , yeah , some kind of metal for the uh the the whole remote except the front . That 1410.44 1410.89 1415.81 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1413.196 1414.756 1413.43 1414.59 Do you know the new uh - TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1417.52 1420.864 1417.57 1420.83 Just like um most cell phones are . 1420.83 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1418.478 1423.788 1418.64 1423.788 Yeah , I understand . Yeah . So we have titanium . 1418.81 1420.91 1421.98 1423.65 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1418.606 1420.32 1418.8 1420.32 No no - TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1422.904 1424.829 1423.07 1424.57 The front is the most important . 1424.57 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1424.551 1439.44 1424.551 1439.38 Yeah but the non-removable elements of the of the remote , so not the front , could be titanium , to give that uh strong look . And then the front is made of plastic . And you can put that on and off , and switch it . 1429.81 1431.26 1432.06 1433.89 1435.55 1438.48 1439.38 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1432.108 1432.871 1432.23 1432.67 Yeah . 1432.67 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1433.358 1434.321 1433.55 1434.29 You know what ? 1434.29 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1440.902 1441.699 1441.08 1441.62 Yeah . 1441.62 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1441.156 1443.878 1441.37 1443.878 But the feel of plastic isn't strong . 1443.64 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1443.104 1448.188 1443.29 1447.95 No but you have titanium of course . Uh you have the best of both worlds . 1445.36 1447.95 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1443.657 1445.615 1443.8 1445.36 No but you you have this Yeah . 1445.36 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1446.188 1448.809 1446.44 1448.61 Yeah alright , alright . 'Kay . 1447.08 1448.24 1448.61 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1448.436 1454.907 1448.58 1454.907 Yeah , you have the re remote in your hand like this . So you feel titanium . 1448.8 1450.56 1454.6 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1453.564 1458.477 1453.66 1458.28 And of course , yeah , you have the the the plastic front end . But you also have the titanium . 1454.13 1454.29 1456.12 1458.28 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1456.342 1461.088 1456.47 1460.59 Yeah . Fronts are are cheaper than when they're from plas 1457.63 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1459.584 1460.26 1459.63 1459.88 Yeah . 1459.88 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1459.836 1462.259 1459.96 1462.03 Yeah of course , but yeah you have to make a 1460.43 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1463.344 1466.608 1463.36 1466.46 And I don't know if you can make steel just any way you want it to . 1466.46 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1463.652 1464.548 1463.72 1464.36 decision . 1464.36 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1467.592 1470.039 1467.71 1469.63 Yeah , but it it's expensive . 1467.98 1469.63 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1469.038 1471.759 1469.17 1471.759 I guess so . Uh titanium I sh I think uh 1469.73 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1469.585 1470.647 1469.9 1470.51 Yeah . 1470.51 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1471.376 1473.97 1471.6 1473.88 Bendable . Bendable . 1473.06 1473.88 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1472.556 1474.248 1472.67 1474.248 Huh ? Well , well the 1473.21 1473.64 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1474.099 1475.791 1474.24 1475.791 Well any colour - TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1476.272 1486.471 1476.39 1486.3 According to my sources , uh it's it's totally possible to make an entire uh uh uh Titanium is available , and uh we can uh make uh an entire remote out of it , if we want . 1477.34 1483.09 1485.88 1486.3 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1485.793 1492.132 1486.02 1492.04 Yeah , then you you paint it in the colour you want it . The plastic is is the colour you want it . 1486.29 1489.08 1492.04 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1488.666 1489.43 1488.83 1489.18 Yeah . 1489.18 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1488.717 1489.215 1488.92 1489.17 Mm . 1489.17 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1490.126 1491.089 1490.25 1490.88 Paint spray . 1490.88 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1491.488 1492.102 1491.52 1492.03 Mm . 1492.03 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1492.151 1493.18 1492.33 1492.81 Yeah alright . 1492.81 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1494.09 1495.351 1494.28 1495.09 So Yeah . 1495.09 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1495.394 1498.736 1495.46 1498.7 So , we're going for a titanium back and a plastic front ? 1496.01 1498.7 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1495.856 1496.553 1495.88 1496.43 Alright . 1496.43 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1497.848 1498.744 1497.98 1498.744 I've uh - TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1498.736 1501.76 1498.78 1501.71 Yeah , I think that's a nice trade-off . 1499.41 1501.71 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1499.067 1499.698 1499.19 1499.37 Mm . 1499.37 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1499.731 1519.41 1499.75 1519.25 Titanium back , plastic front . Okay . Um well I am going to put it in here , uh because we can uh look . I Um solid feel and trendy look . So material , um hard plastic for the front ? 1500.83 1501.82 1503.08 1505.22 1506.72 1513.91 1515.6 1519.25 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1505.681 1506.71 1505.91 1506.58 Yeah , great . 1506.18 1506.58 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1506.468 1507.165 1506.61 1506.92 Yeah . 1506.92 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1507.257 1507.854 1507.4 1507.64 Alright . 1507.64 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1518.319 1521.107 1518.45 1520.9 Yeah , for the front and then titanium for the back . 1518.66 1520.9 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1519.289 1520.019 1519.49 1519.93 Yeah . 1519.93 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1522.496 1524.336 1522.52 1524.3 For the non-removable uh part . 1524.3 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1524.068 1534.422 1524.37 1534.26 But then you have the problem , when you have a titanium back , you can't switch it . When you want an other colour on the front , it doesn't match . You know ? 1525.9 1527.26 1529.17 1531.86 1533.84 1534.26 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1533.784 1534.746 1533.82 1534.746 Well but - TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1534.015 1536.703 1534.24 1536.703 Well titanium is neutral . 1536.4 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1535.775 1555.08 1535.9 1554.78 The titan titanium isn't isn't v very Yeah , i it doesn't uh curves . No uh I nei . Titanium is very No no no , but you know b Titanium is very basic colour , and it doesn't really matter if we have a purple front on it or a orange front . I dunno if if you disagree , but I think it's doesn't matter very much . 1538.82 1541.97 1543.82 1545.13 1547.39 1550.72 1552.22 1554.78 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1541.039 1548.473 1541.039 1547.98 I understand . Yeah , yeah , yeah . Yeah . 1545.47 1545.99 1546.34 1547.79 1547.98 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1547.595 1548.458 1547.79 1548.13 Hmm . 1548.13 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1549.586 1550.184 1549.65 1549.93 Yeah . 1549.93 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1550.298 1551.194 1550.49 1550.76 Alright . 1550.76 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1551.876 1552.639 1551.96 1552.639 Well - TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1552.654 1553.749 1552.82 1553.56 Yeah . Alright . 1553.08 1553.56 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1553.204 1558.845 1553.22 1558.76 Our customers will use those uh funky uh trendy colours , and they don't use uh wood . 1556.74 1558.76 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1556.437 1564.4 1556.437 1564.21 Funky customers . Alright . 1561.42 1564.21 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1557.103 1563.219 1557.21 1562.94 And even if it does uh doesn't match , it will uh People like mm colours that don't match . 1558.83 1562.94 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1560.073 1563.2 1560.4 1563.2 Mm . Yeah . 1561.2 1563.03 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1561.466 1573.778 1561.54 1573.778 Okay . And well the the electrical cable is just normal uh . 1561.94 1573.62 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1566.495 1568.486 1566.69 1568.36 Cop copper uh material . 1568.36 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1571.525 1572.222 1571.61 1571.86 Yeah . 1571.86 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1571.406 1572.734 1571.79 1572.53 Excuse me ? 1572.53 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1574.047 1577.3 1574.16 1577.3 The electrical cable uh does - TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1575.032 1577.984 1575.09 1577.984 It's uh from uh our coffee uh - TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1576.019 1578.314 1576.18 1578.314 Yeah copper i just a ba basic uh - TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1577.864 1581.712 1577.89 1581.68 No we don't use an electrical cable . Yeah inside , but this is for the coffee uh machine . 1579.46 1580.07 1581.68 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1580.433 1581.13 1580.57 1581.13 Yeah in - TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1582.425 1585.472 1582.49 1585.472 Yeah well inside the remote control we use a couple of uh - TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1584.066 1585.164 1584.19 1585.07 Of course . 1585.07 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1584.335 1588.496 1584.52 1588.496 Yeah , but that's not what's meant here , I think . 1584.88 1587.31 1587.84 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1587.415 1588.078 1587.59 1587.79 Nei . 1587.79 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1589.439 1590.534 1589.59 1590.25 So external . 1590.25 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1591.504 1598.786 1591.74 1598.72 Oh external ? Well A coffee grind doesn't have Na ja . Never mind the coffee grind . 1594.12 1597.58 1598.72 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1592.511 1593.274 1592.66 1592.99 Yeah . 1592.99 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1592.756 1593.718 1593.0 1593.26 Yeah . 1593.26 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1598.165 1603.907 1598.26 1603.8 Well uh all the all the inside work of our remote is uh standard - TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1604.768 1607.789 1604.79 1607.789 work . So 1605.6 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1605.952 1608.448 1605.952 1608.35 Right ? 1608.35 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1608.4 1624.482 1608.43 1624.28 The chip is normal silicon . Uh the buttons are normal , etcetera . Okay ? So that's just easy . Uh we decide about that just by looking at our competitors and our earlier uh remotes . The conceptual specification of the user interface ? 1610.57 1612.36 1612.97 1613.72 1614.92 1621.54 1624.28 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1613.664 1615.184 1613.7 1615.13 Alright . Mm-hmm . 1614.85 1615.13 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1625.392 1629.088 1625.41 1629.05 Um well we have our beautiful drawing . 1629.05 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1629.216 1632.032 1629.216 1631.82 Alright . 1631.82 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1629.293 1631.782 1629.42 1631.782 Well I got a better one here and I will um - TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1631.968 1636.402 1631.99 1636.15 Well you can put that in uh into the shared folder , and then I'll put it in our end report . 1634.66 1636.15 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1633.11 1634.802 1633.28 1634.58 The shared folder . 1634.58 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1636.627 1640.352 1636.89 1640.31 I will work this out uh for the uh next meeting . 1640.31 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1638.336 1639.584 1638.36 1639.584 Yes , you can 1639.04 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1640.592 1647.552 1640.62 1647.552 Mm yeah . You can uh put some uh which button is what . Okay . Um the trend-watching 1641.0 1644.14 1645.11 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1643.596 1644.393 1643.74 1644.31 Yeah yeah yeah . 1644.31 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1648.576 1655.384 1648.576 1655.384 included these days . And what do we ? We thing that fruit and bright colours are 1650.88 1651.84 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1655.951 1657.876 1656.11 1657.75 Yeah the the the front w - TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1656.847 1668.592 1656.94 1668.592 I think we can launch a couple of packages . You can buy a different kind of of of machine , but it's the same thing , but with another front . So 1660.44 1664.65 1666.3 1668.36 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1660.995 1661.792 1661.23 1661.72 Yeah . 1661.72 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1667.712 1677.007 1667.73 1676.91 Yes . We can also uh implement um we can also implement fronts from um movies that are very hot . Uh those kind of things . 1668.52 1675.27 1676.91 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1667.699 1668.495 1667.96 1668.27 Mm-hmm . 1668.27 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1669.059 1671.084 1669.22 1671.04 Yeah that's the whole idea of the front . 1671.04 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1669.519 1670.946 1669.64 1670.86 And you can you can - TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1670.221 1671.847 1670.33 1671.78 Yeah . Yeah . 1671.3 1671.78 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1675.124 1679.106 1675.27 1678.98 Yes . But that's for later on . The fronts y you can do anything with them . 1675.98 1676.96 1678.98 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1675.161 1676.09 1675.35 1675.71 Yeah right . 1675.71 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1678.752 1679.056 1678.78 1679.02 Yeah . 1679.02 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1679.409 1684.386 1679.58 1684.386 Yeah but if you if you launch uh five different packages like iPod mini - TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1682.922 1687.701 1683.04 1687.61 Yeah , right For the uh initiative uh launch . 1683.43 1687.61 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1686.643 1687.307 1686.83 1687.14 Yeah . 1687.14 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1687.323 1688.949 1687.55 1688.77 For the for the launch , yeah . 1688.45 1688.77 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1688.435 1689.53 1688.62 1689.37 It's good marketing . 1689.37 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1688.498 1689.128 1688.64 1688.95 Mm . 1688.95 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1691.872 1693.929 1691.89 1693.68 Launch different lines at once . 1693.68 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1691.737 1698.905 1691.93 1698.905 So e th then a c couple of basic colours . Not not very uh sim Not 1694.22 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1695.625 1702.627 1695.78 1702.627 Yeah , n not too heavy . You can always take another pick . 1696.2 1697.81 1702.35 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1700.272 1700.688 1700.29 1700.65 Yeah . 1700.65 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1700.802 1704.12 1700.92 1703.95 We should not give them the m the most lovely front - TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1703.855 1714.806 1703.855 1714.806 They have to buy it later on . Yeah right . More basic . Yeah . 1706.82 1708.73 1711.27 1714.69 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1705.249 1713.738 1705.4 1713.54 when they buy it for the first time . Yeah . Come on . We still have to make those fifty million , yeah ? . 1706.77 1708.13 1709.61 1711.35 1713.54 1713.54 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1706.124 1708.613 1706.124 1708.36 Yeah . 1708.36 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1706.179 1711.289 1706.24 1710.87 Oh yeah . Yeah . Yeah . 1707.61 1710.6 1710.87 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1711.168 1714.885 1711.33 1714.71 Very boring , yeah . The most boring fronts possible . 1712.03 1712.62 1714.71 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1712.484 1722.838 1712.59 1722.72 Well you can you can give them uh s s three or so , so that they can uh experiment with it and that they want more . Yeah . 1715.43 1722.02 1722.72 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1714.8 1716.492 1714.94 1716.27 The most ugly . 1716.27 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1718.39 1719.419 1718.57 1719.11 Yeah , right . 1718.77 1719.11 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1719.632 1720.209 1719.65 1719.92 Two . 1719.92 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1720.261 1726.208 1720.35 1726.208 Yeah but you you can have some basic colours , and then we come with the special patterns on them , and and uh And uh 1721.96 1723.98 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1723.759 1729.003 1723.8 1728.92 Red red , blue and green you give them or something , and then you can give them uh other ones . 1724.52 1725.95 1728.92 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1723.859 1724.256 1724.0 1724.22 Yeah . 1724.22 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1724.567 1725.363 1724.73 1724.96 Yeah . 1724.96 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1727.376 1728.539 1727.4 1728.41 Yeah . Alright . 1727.81 1728.41 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1729.5 1753.795 1729.54 1753.66 Um well the buttons etcetera , we get from Mike . Uh this fruit and bright colours , yeah well I think we'll have to in the next uh half an hour , we'll have to uh s s specify the different uh types we want to launch , when we uh well introduce our remote . 1734.12 1735.85 1738.22 1742.42 1750.1 1753.66 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1752.128 1758.304 1752.19 1758.304 Uh we still have to make We have still have to make the es the the real basic design . Because yeah we have the sketch but 1756.19 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1756.388 1764.22 1756.58 1764.11 Yeah . But we we must remember that fancy look-and-feel is the most important thing . Else it w won't sell . So 1757.39 1762.21 1763.65 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1761.859 1762.523 1761.94 1762.46 Yes . 1762.46 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1765.429 1771.648 1765.48 1771.648 Yes . Well I'll have to , before I get another warning for five minutes , I'm going to get 1766.47 1767.35 1770.57 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1765.256 1766.351 1765.49 1766.26 Alright , yeah . 1765.88 1766.26 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1772.877 1777.49 1772.96 1777.49 Where is my mouse ? Uh where is my mouse ? 1773.82 1777.4 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1774.938 1781.542 1774.938 1781.542 Lost my mouse . 1780.89 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1778.651 1782.256 1778.72 1782.21 Oh yeah . Um this is it . 1780.48 1782.21 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1784.396 1787.549 1784.396 1787.31 Unbelievable . 1787.31 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1792.24 1804.513 1792.26 1804.4 Well , um this we have . Uh basic stuff . Interface we have . Supplements , L_C_D_ . Maybe a a cheap voice recording . 1792.82 1795.81 1798.27 1799.6 1800.28 1801.74 1804.4 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1794.883 1795.713 1795.05 1795.27 Yeah . 1795.27 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1805.608 1809.557 1805.66 1809.43 Well Yes . Alright . Individual actions . 1807.39 1808.15 1809.43 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1805.499 1806.793 1805.68 1806.68 Yeah we should do that . 1806.68 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1805.765 1806.694 1805.95 1806.54 The price ? 1806.54 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1809.084 1810.842 1809.35 1810.53 We all agree on that . Yeah . 1810.3 1810.53 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1810.278 1810.908 1810.47 1810.7 Mm . 1810.7 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1811.456 1816.302 1811.48 1816.1 Industry designer , . User Interface , Mike . You're going to work together 1813.76 1813.76 1814.43 1815.05 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1817.152 1819.616 1817.17 1819.56 on a prototype drawing on the SMARTboard . 1819.56 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1820.698 1821.926 1820.81 1821.79 Yeah , we can do that . 1821.1 1821.79 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1821.927 1826.805 1822.13 1826.805 Together or uh Yeah together . How Yeah yeah , but how do I 1824.84 1825.92 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1823.647 1825.424 1823.79 1825.08 Yeah togeth - TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1824.731 1827.424 1824.731 1827.39 That's what I got uh to hear . 1827.39 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1825.908 1828.563 1826.15 1828.44 But bu we stay we stay here or something ? 1828.44 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1828.576 1834.288 1828.6 1834.288 Yes well we'll get it to hear that I think . But I think so . Th they're saying SMARTboard and that's it 1831.51 1832.24 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1831.78 1836.791 1831.78 1836.791 You can take the SMARTboard . 1836.48 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1834.832 1838.272 1834.85 1838.272 Ah right . And take it to our rooms and uh 1836.59 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1834.919 1836.256 1834.94 1836.256 This is the SMARTboard , so 1835.9 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1838.4 1846.016 1838.42 1845.98 Um so you can uh you you are going to make a prototype , and y Well that's includes uh specifying the buttons etcetera . 1841.82 1845.98 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1844.769 1848.064 1844.94 1848.064 Ah , specific instructions will be sent to you by your personal coach . 1845.28 1848.03 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1847.312 1860.895 1847.33 1860.895 Yeah . So you'll get it on your em on your laptop . Um well you will go and do something else uh on the project yeah project evaluation . So um 1848.09 1850.85 1859.93 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1853.649 1862.364 1853.649 1862.14 Have fun . 'Kay . 1861.77 1862.14 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1853.84 1857.12 1853.84 1857.12 Some - TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1858.032 1859.791 1858.22 1859.54 Some non functional tasks . 1859.54 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1862.592 1868.95 1862.592 1868.89 , what are you going to do ? Uh I don't know what product evaluation exactly means , but uh you'll get uh the specifications . 1862.592 1864.65 1867.16 1868.89 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1868.968 1873.813 1869.21 1873.813 We don't have produ product yet , so kind of difficult . 1870.88 1873.77 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1871.008 1872.534 1871.15 1872.534 Yeah . That's why I uh 1871.39 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1873.616 1874.459 1873.64 1874.459 But uh - TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1873.696 1876.352 1873.696 1876.352 You're fired . No but 1875.64 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1876.251 1877.778 1876.29 1877.778 How long do we still have ? 1877.61 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1878.941 1881.164 1879.12 1881.164 Well , can we talk about something else ? Uh 1879.35 1880.33 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1880.731 1881.661 1880.93 1881.661 Yeah . 1881.55 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1882.724 1886.48 1882.81 1886.36 Uh no I don't know anything , but maybe uh anyone else uh Yeah ? 1883.86 1886.36 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1883.778 1887.196 1883.778 1886.78 Ajax . Nah . 1886.68 1886.78 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1884.485 1885.647 1884.58 1885.647 Yeah . Um 1885.12 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1886.642 1894.341 1886.73 1894.28 Will we use uh round buttons or square ones for the for the numbers ? Yeah I I I also uh thought Yeah . 1892.01 1894.28 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1889.95 1892.804 1890.08 1892.65 Um round . Yeah . Round . 1891.69 1892.26 1892.65 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1890.39 1891.385 1890.51 1891.23 Round I think . 1891.23 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1892.68 1895.434 1892.85 1895.33 To make it as uh as round as possible . 1895.33 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1895.072 1906.653 1895.17 1906.58 And these uh these s these buttons uh are more uh triangle-ish shaped with a square one in the middle . Yeah . Yeah . 1905.43 1906.11 1906.58 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1899.968 1901.135 1899.99 1901.135 Why does - TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1901.882 1906.144 1902.11 1905.94 Curvy . Yeah . So you can see you have to up or down . 1902.96 1903.61 1905.94 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1904.619 1906.511 1904.75 1906.31 Ah f fuck you . 1906.31 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1907.504 1911.089 1907.59 1911.089 But now I see the - TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1908.055 1912.128 1908.25 1912.09 And this must be uh volume I think , and this programme . 1911.16 1912.09 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1910.526 1911.223 1910.65 1910.98 Heh ? 1910.98 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1914.144 1916.256 1914.32 1916.22 Mm . 1916.22 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1916.563 1918.554 1916.563 1918.554 We can't get - TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1917.135 1923.328 1917.135 1923.29 Well most of the time uh up and down is programme and left and right are volume , I think . 1922.63 1923.29 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1923.235 1926.576 1923.32 1926.52 Well th th th th th that depends uh . 1926.52 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1924.051 1925.444 1924.4 1925.444 Yeah . 1925.33 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1924.735 1926.228 1924.94 1926.228 Yeah , it depends , but 1925.17 1925.7 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1928.544 1929.706 1928.61 1929.706 Well we uh - TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1928.85 1932.367 1928.98 1932.367 If you turn up the volume , you always see this thingy go up . 1930.06 1932.17 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1931.435 1935.55 1931.59 1935.44 We we j we'll just give them an uh We'll design it , and then they can give comments on it . 1934.07 1935.44 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1932.456 1933.41 1932.55 1933.07 Yeah , that's right . 1932.79 1933.07 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1934.226 1936.615 1934.36 1936.21 Yeah . Yeah alright . 1935.55 1936.21 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1935.575 1936.77 1935.66 1936.67 Yeah . Okay . 1936.2 1936.67 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1935.578 1942.249 1935.8 1942.12 Ts It doesn't work any more . We can't save them . So we'll just have them uh standing there . 1938.71 1939.48 1942.12 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1941.117 1942.213 1941.26 1942.0 Yeah , I noticed . 1941.46 1942.0 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1942.909 1945.166 1943.03 1944.84 You can't uh click the corners . 1944.84 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1944.539 1953.6 1944.68 1953.6 No . It's a bit uh bit a pity . Well we still have uh more than five minutes . Um 1946.61 1949.96 1953.05 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1947.688 1951.106 1947.9 1950.7 It's a real real great thing . 1950.7 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1954.461 1956.917 1954.63 1956.73 So what are we going to do ? 1956.73 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1959.2 1970.702 1959.22 1970.62 I as Project Manager ha don't have a clue . Oh we can uh decide how we implement the feeling from our company into the remote . 1963.8 1970.62 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1959.725 1963.774 1959.725 1963.48 Let's start the design . 1963.48 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1970.56 1981.408 1970.58 1981.408 Well yeah . Um I think um a logo , our company logo , and the slogan should be or could be Yeah , why not ? If there's enough space , you can put uh We'll we'll 1971.4 1973.98 1974.76 1978.05 1978.76 1980.02 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1970.493 1971.588 1970.81 1971.05 Mm . 1971.05 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1975.813 1977.771 1975.96 1977.771 Also the slogan ? On the 1977.01 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1980.316 1982.672 1980.66 1982.42 Uh I I'd say only the logo . 1982.42 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1980.798 1981.528 1981.01 1981.18 O - TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1982.69 1984.05 1982.8 1983.72 Yeah . Me too . 1983.35 1983.72 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1983.934 1986.887 1984.0 1986.7 Too much text and it gets too too busy . 1986.7 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1985.456 1990.334 1985.6 1990.334 Well , our slogan is not very long . It's just a simple What is it ? 1986.11 1987.41 1990.15 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 1988.215 1990.836 1988.34 1990.66 Well it's quite a long phrase . 1990.66 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1988.373 1990.398 1988.39 1990.31 We put the fashion in electronics . 1990.31 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 1991.791 1993.152 1991.88 1993.12 We put the fashion in electronics . 1993.12 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1991.882 1995.765 1992.22 1995.57 But we kree we keep adjusting to the fashion - TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1993.288 1994.681 1993.288 1994.681 You c - TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 1996.429 2000.079 1996.6 2000.079 with our fronts . So 1997.69 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 1998.83 2004.239 1999.01 2004.239 But you can put it on the back , on the titanium part . The logo and the and the 2000.06 2001.64 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2003.0 2004.261 2003.14 2004.21 Yeah , right . 2003.42 2004.21 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2003.152 2006.04 2003.36 2005.93 Ah the logo should be on the top I think . 2005.93 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2004.758 2005.654 2004.85 2005.654 The logo - TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2006.72 2018.405 2006.74 2018.405 On the top . Yeah . Well in in in the right top corner ? And well you c On the back , you can put uh h At the bottom , you can put the logo with the 2007.49 2008.32 2011.24 2012.57 2015.64 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2008.155 2009.748 2008.34 2009.45 Yeah they do . Well yeah . 2008.85 2009.45 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2008.735 2009.698 2009.09 2009.698 Yeah . 2009.698 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2010.121 2011.648 2010.16 2011.53 Right corner , yes . 2010.93 2011.53 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2011.529 2014.98 2011.75 2014.63 Right corner , or maybe here in the middle ? 2012.42 2014.63 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2018.854 2022.372 2018.854 2022.15 uh the text ? Yeah . Uh yeah , at the back ? 2020.33 2021.07 2021.32 2022.15 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2020.031 2021.923 2020.19 2021.75 Yeah . Just just small . 2020.92 2021.75 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2020.782 2025.328 2020.91 2024.9 But the logo the logo shouldn't be exchangeable , when you get off the front . 2023.53 2024.9 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2024.206 2029.018 2024.38 2028.8 Yeah it it should be hard on the on the on the board , and you can remove the front . 2027.0 2028.8 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2024.496 2030.656 2024.73 2030.62 Well you c Well uh Yes . You can The logo can be on on every uh front . 2027.26 2030.62 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2025.175 2026.204 2025.34 2026.204 Yeah well - TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2026.224 2027.817 2026.41 2027.45 Yeah . Yeah . 2027.27 2027.45 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2030.107 2033.792 2030.17 2033.74 Yeah , but you can scratch it off or something . It's better if you have it uh 2030.33 2032.17 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2034.544 2038.976 2034.56 2038.93 Yeah , but then you must uh really uh yeah push it in or something . 2034.76 2038.93 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2035.836 2037.628 2035.91 2037.38 Carved into the material . 2037.38 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2038.48 2042.16 2038.48 2042.09 No , you you can carve it into the titanium at the back . 2039.8 2042.09 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2042.185 2048.112 2042.34 2048.112 I l I like the idea of the of the slogan on the on the on the thing . But am I the only one , or uh 2046.36 2047.68 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2046.84 2058.128 2046.87 2058.09 Yeah , on the backside . Well n n not not on the front side , I think . On the back Yes , you you can , yeah , push that in , so that it is always be there . 2047.03 2048.7 2051.2 2053.18 2053.8 2054.73 2055.07 2056.41 2058.09 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2048.082 2049.807 2048.24 2049.807 Well , management would like it . 2048.42 2049.62 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2051.367 2053.723 2051.5 2053.29 The front side , no no l no slogan . 2052.1 2053.29 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2051.743 2053.867 2052.01 2053.867 No not on the front , but on the backside . Uh 2052.78 2053.5 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2055.88 2056.61 2055.94 2056.56 Sorry . 2056.56 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2056.944 2063.524 2057.19 2063.17 I think it's a nice idea , to make it more recognisable , that the next to the logo you have the slogan . 2058.35 2060.05 2063.17 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2059.796 2060.493 2060.0 2060.493 Yeah . 2060.493 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2060.532 2061.263 2060.71 2060.91 Yeah . 2060.91 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2064.445 2065.175 2064.61 2065.11 I agree . 2065.11 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2065.312 2067.1 2065.33 2066.87 To make more uh of an impression . 2066.87 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2065.905 2067.033 2066.13 2066.92 But not too big . 2066.92 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2067.824 2070.12 2067.91 2070.03 Just uh Yeah . 2070.03 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2067.996 2075.072 2068.14 2074.9 Not too big . No , very small . Not on the entire back , but uh just very small . But readable enough of course . 2068.53 2068.79 2069.36 2071.28 2073.36 2074.9 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2075.496 2076.292 2075.75 2076.292 Okay . 2076.292 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2076.853 2079.209 2076.94 2079.07 Yes , slogan from 2077.39 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2077.055 2081.336 2077.27 2081.21 But we'll uh we'll take that uh with us into the design . 2081.21 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2079.972 2081.034 2080.09 2080.74 company - TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2079.969 2086.507 2080.15 2086.507 Yeah I think over here the logo . 2086.19 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2082.752 2086.414 2082.86 2086.2 Lo Uh yeah . Or maybe here in the middle , but we'll decide later . 2083.78 2085.16 2086.2 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2083.125 2084.718 2083.44 2084.54 on the back - TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2085.838 2088.426 2085.89 2088.33 with logo and - TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2089.648 2092.528 2089.7 2092.49 logo also on - TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2093.888 2101.502 2093.91 2101.502 the front but not exchange uh - TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2103.344 2112.088 2104.7 2112.03 Uh ? Hmm ? Uh when 2109.96 2110.19 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2113.008 2115.184 2113.03 2115.12 changing fronts . 2115.12 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2117.808 2119.168 2117.83 2119.13 Alright , that's decided . 2118.49 2119.13 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2117.748 2120.602 2118.0 2120.5 Do you do you see a bit of the of the um - TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2120.71 2121.838 2120.75 2121.71 Five minutes left . 2121.71 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2122.262 2134.341 2122.46 2134.341 of the uh titanium ? O on the front ? Uh maybe if we make this this this lower part titanium , the front is the the upper part , and the the bit with the with the L_C_D_ screen . So 2124.2 2124.98 2129.46 2131.19 2133.95 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2125.86 2127.42 2126.0 2127.42 Yes we could - TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2134.25 2136.241 2134.36 2136.1 So a bit of titanium between ? 2136.1 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2136.465 2142.352 2136.5 2142.352 Yeah . No no betwe of between we can do but But then you have two parts of front , two fronts that 2136.71 2141.73 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2136.435 2137.198 2136.51 2136.89 Yeah . 2136.89 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2137.602 2139.925 2137.69 2139.67 That's a bit Oh that that's that's pretty cool . 2139.67 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2140.395 2146.137 2140.45 2146.04 No , they have two fronts , that . You you can Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . 2140.67 2141.65 2142.4 2143.72 2145.58 2146.04 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2140.782 2143.408 2140.9 2143.37 No no no no . You have to make this titanium too . 2141.85 2143.37 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2142.447 2143.078 2142.52 2142.8 No ? 2142.8 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2144.111 2145.969 2144.25 2145.57 This enti entire bottom ? 2145.57 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2144.466 2152.292 2144.55 2152.13 Else you you get problems with the L_C_D_ . Like dust in it and so things like that . When you exchange all the fronts and it's open . 2147.54 2149.55 2152.13 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2147.033 2147.763 2147.13 2147.71 Yeah . 2147.71 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2147.093 2147.691 2147.22 2147.58 Yes . 2147.58 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2148.924 2149.687 2149.16 2149.6 Yeah . 2149.6 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2152.104 2154.461 2152.22 2154.29 I already have uh all kinds of uh - TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2152.147 2163.43 2152.54 2163.43 No , you can you can just And then not a straight line but uh some sort of wave or something . This is titanium . And this is uh 2152.63 2160.41 2162.1 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2155.124 2157.348 2155.2 2157.29 filth between the mobile . 2157.29 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2158.812 2160.637 2159.01 2160.45 And then the lower part is titanium ? 2160.45 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2161.856 2163.591 2161.89 2163.46 I think that's nice , yeah . 2163.01 2163.46 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2161.918 2165.435 2162.09 2165.26 Yeah . Some some kind of wei weight in it . Yeah . 2162.98 2164.87 2165.26 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2164.154 2166.212 2164.28 2166.03 Yeah . Round forms . 2165.17 2166.03 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2165.089 2166.218 2165.49 2166.12 F front . 2166.12 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2167.407 2168.004 2167.56 2167.79 Yeah . 2167.79 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2168.91 2172.162 2169.07 2172.162 I like that bit of uh titanium also on the uh - TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2170.864 2174.315 2171.07 2174.1 Yeah . With the with the curved edge . 2171.75 2174.1 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2171.276 2172.039 2171.46 2172.039 Yeah . 2172.039 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2172.086 2172.617 2172.26 2172.49 Yep . 2172.49 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2173.008 2180.32 2173.07 2180.32 A bit like uh a bit like your mobile phone . Maybe you can show it . It also has the those two distinct uh 2174.96 2175.69 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2175.244 2175.742 2175.41 2175.68 Yeah . 2175.68 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2177.792 2180.8 2177.81 2180.74 Yeah . Tada . 2180.27 2180.74 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2181.408 2183.777 2181.56 2183.777 Mm bit like this . Uh it's uh 2183.01 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2181.993 2182.723 2182.16 2182.62 Yeah . 2182.62 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2182.307 2183.203 2182.57 2183.14 Yeah . 2183.14 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2182.588 2185.707 2182.61 2185.46 Yeah , you can make it go 2183.64 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2186.47 2192.61 2186.59 2192.03 round this corner too where the logo is . Because it has to be uh there all the time you know . 2189.05 2192.03 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2189.565 2190.958 2189.7 2190.958 What ? 2190.87 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2191.517 2194.88 2191.72 2194.84 Yeah yeah . That uh Yeah . Maybe a nice touch , yeah . 2192.78 2193.82 2194.58 2194.84 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2192.528 2193.077 2192.55 2192.85 Ah . 2192.85 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2193.414 2194.609 2193.54 2194.46 So round where ? 2194.46 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2193.536 2196.492 2193.56 2196.39 So uh a little corner of titanium . 2196.39 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2195.234 2197.76 2195.38 2197.71 Yeah , that's nice finishing touch you need . 2195.74 2197.71 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2196.288 2197.496 2196.33 2197.42 Oh , yeah . 2196.75 2197.42 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2198.956 2202.408 2199.07 2202.3 Yes , that also sounds uh pretty uh neat . 2199.6 2202.3 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2201.776 2204.256 2201.8 2204.22 So this this is the exchangeable part . 2204.22 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2202.236 2203.596 2202.31 2203.45 I think I'm going to buy it . 2203.45 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2203.52 2211.072 2203.52 2210.86 We want it . And it's only f twenty five Euros . Come on . No that's nothing . 2205.92 2208.75 2210.19 2210.86 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2204.42 2206.279 2204.46 2206.0 Yeah , this is the front . 2204.79 2206.0 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2208.635 2214.111 2208.76 2214.111 This is the - TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2208.665 2219.696 2208.91 2219.38 That's a bit too much , but No , no no no , but I think uh this looks uh pretty nice actually . Of course , because it's my design but No our d our design , alright . 2209.6 2210.76 2211.29 2215.71 2216.22 2219.0 2219.38 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2211.836 2215.648 2212.07 2215.648 The Phillips remote uh costs more . 2215.34 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2215.808 2216.72 2215.83 2216.67 Right . 2216.67 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2217.628 2219.188 2217.77 2219.188 My design . 2218.45 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2219.12 2221.774 2219.12 2221.39 Taking all the credit . 2221.39 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2220.112 2227.135 2220.36 2227.135 Well uh you two are going to work together . You'll get your uh specifications on your uh laptop , and then uh you uh 2222.09 2224.42 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2224.631 2226.788 2224.77 2226.48 Yeah . We'll stay here I guess ? 2225.3 2226.48 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2226.22 2230.402 2226.4 2230.19 But there's a problem . We can't uh take a blank one . Or can we ? 2227.25 2229.62 2230.19 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2230.21 2233.429 2230.31 2233.429 Well I think we can , I just It's 2231.51 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2232.56 2237.076 2232.58 2236.79 Well we can uh erase an animal I guess . Uh the fourth one . 2235.84 2236.79 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2235.593 2237.618 2235.63 2237.48 Yeah . Nah that's alright , that's alright . 2236.23 2236.99 2237.48 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2236.582 2238.474 2236.84 2238.42 But don't erase my cat . 2238.42 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2239.369 2240.166 2239.51 2239.98 Yeah , o 2239.8 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2239.399 2242.253 2239.58 2241.98 Uh the fourth one is empty , isn't it ? Yeah . 2240.94 2241.62 2241.98 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2241.692 2243.617 2241.84 2243.617 Oh - TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2242.29 2243.618 2242.34 2243.4 I want to preserve it . 2243.4 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2245.981 2247.773 2245.981 2247.51 This one is empty . 2247.51 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2247.43 2248.193 2247.71 2248.15 Yeah . 2248.15 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2249.664 2250.992 2249.86 2250.87 You have to empty one huh ? 2250.87 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2250.619 2254.369 2250.71 2254.369 Oh , we have a one . 2251.17 2254.25 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2253.341 2254.901 2253.55 2254.84 What are you doing chief ? 2254.84 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2255.593 2258.812 2255.73 2258.73 So , you can uh draw a Yeah . 2256.58 2258.73 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2256.368 2257.264 2256.58 2256.88 Alright . 2256.88 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2257.884 2260.107 2258.15 2259.89 Yeah I think we have to wait ? 2259.89 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2260.405 2262.928 2260.45 2262.84 Well I'll get a I'll get the message . 2262.84 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2260.32 2267.216 2260.45 2267.18 Yeah until the until the beep goes . But I don't uh Do we have to stay here , or I think we have to return first . 2263.1 2265.65 2267.18 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2260.35 2261.08 2260.51 2261.08 No - TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2265.914 2271.389 2266.07 2271.389 No , I think uh Well you'll Maybe you can uh keep your uh laptop here . 2266.49 2271.2 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2266.314 2267.044 2266.51 2267.044 Yeah . 2267.044 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2271.391 2272.453 2271.5 2272.35 Maybe . 2272.35 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2272.219 2277.297 2272.29 2277.13 Or get your mouse . Because it's little bit uh hard to work with these uh plates . 2273.37 2277.13 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2273.965 2277.888 2274.13 2277.85 The high powers from above will have to tell us , yeah . 2277.71 2277.85 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2277.165 2280.65 2277.34 2280.22 Yeah . It's not relaxing . 2279.14 2280.22 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2280.606 2284.389 2280.75 2284.389 I always have a mouse next to my laptop . I hate these 2283.43 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2283.438 2285.783 2283.64 2285.54 I I don't have a laptop . 2285.54 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2284.452 2286.078 2284.66 2286.04 Yeah , touch-pads , yeah . 2284.96 2285.47 2286.04 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2285.584 2286.48 2285.75 2286.15 Ugh . 2286.15 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2286.78 2300.208 2286.99 2300.15 We can uh do a touch-pad on our remote . No just kidding . Well we have uh b you have to have a bit of humour in the in the discussions too , because it becomes too too too too stressy . 2290.31 2292.62 2296.91 2300.15 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2289.403 2292.656 2289.54 2292.44 Yeah right . Dream on . 2291.98 2292.44 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2290.371 2293.059 2290.47 2293.059 Yeah . 2292.66 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2297.962 2308.734 2298.08 2308.734 And in your remote control . So we put a touch pad on it , and say ha ha . Yeah . We know you'll you'll you'll hate it but 2299.14 2300.52 2304.67 2306.26 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2301.488 2305.312 2301.488 2305.312 Aha . This has no function . 2303.06 2305.16 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2301.616 2305.648 2301.616 2305.37 Half - TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2308.417 2312.352 2308.56 2312.352 But uh th youth doesn't care about functio functionality , so 2311.93 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2311.638 2312.32 2311.83 2312.24 No . 2312.24 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2312.484 2316.448 2312.62 2316.38 But they do want some gadgets . So that's wha what we're doing . 2314.39 2316.38 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2314.16 2315.587 2314.36 2315.55 It's all about cool things . 2315.55 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2317.651 2318.381 2317.82 2318.3 Yeah . 2318.3 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2317.803 2318.798 2317.89 2318.76 And it will sell . 2318.76 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2321.055 2322.482 2321.29 2322.21 We will be rich . 2322.21 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2322.264 2324.768 2322.4 2324.768 Bless you . 2324.42 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2323.302 2326.096 2323.42 2326.06 Well we won't . Our bosses will be rich . 2325.0 2326.06 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2326.81 2327.341 2326.95 2327.14 Mm . 2327.14 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2327.3 2329.988 2327.51 2329.84 We've done too much in the previous meetings . 2329.84 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2330.295 2331.058 2330.51 2330.93 Too much ? 2330.93 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2331.05 2333.76 2331.2 2333.76 Yes , we've got nothing to do now . 2331.64 2333.57 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2333.547 2334.775 2333.7 2334.775 Well they uh - TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2333.921 2335.581 2334.0 2335.38 Well , that's not bad , is it ? 2334.3 2335.08 2335.38 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2335.623 2336.486 2335.82 2336.486 No . 2336.486 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2336.88 2340.0 2337.02 2339.84 I think that's good . We all had uh our talk and 2337.91 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2341.632 2345.6 2341.65 2345.53 we agree I guess on uh several thing , on most uh on things . 2344.03 2345.53 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2347.461 2348.191 2347.59 2348.01 Mm . 2348.01 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2350.106 2351.865 2350.37 2351.58 Its the best remote ever . 2351.58 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2353.07 2353.866 2353.17 2353.866 So - TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2357.772 2359.903 2357.772 2359.78 Pinball . 2359.78 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2359.807 2364.951 2359.9 2364.951 Oh . Oh he's totally off again . 2360.96 2364.86 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2366.875 2367.572 2367.02 2367.572 Well - TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2367.821 2370.841 2368.01 2370.54 No man . You just have to push harder . 2369.42 2370.54 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2372.095 2374.318 2372.17 2374.318 Yeah you have to push harder . 2374.09 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2373.904 2375.902 2373.92 2375.6 But when I start here , 2375.6 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2376.309 2377.006 2376.51 2376.79 Mm . 2376.79 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2376.592 2378.64 2376.592 2378.64 Yeah . 2378.64 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2377.077 2379.234 2377.15 2379.234 it's here . So is it 2378.23 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2378.162 2383.12 2378.4 2383.12 Yes , but you you get really close to the screen with your hand , and I don't think that's 2378.65 2381.97 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2384.608 2385.111 2384.64 2385.04 Mm . 2385.04 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2384.965 2385.861 2385.17 2385.71 Hmm . 2385.71 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2388.352 2389.488 2388.37 2389.32 Recalibrate it . 2389.32 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2388.659 2389.422 2388.83 2389.28 Nope . 2389.28 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2396.224 2398.613 2396.45 2398.39 Where's the good old chalk board with the - TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2398.848 2399.39 2398.87 2399.39 Yeah . 2399.39 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2401.136 2403.872 2401.16 2403.84 the green board with the , how do you call it , chalk , yeah . 2402.61 2403.18 2403.58 2403.84 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2409.49 2412.576 2409.56 2412.576 We can better uh draw a design on this . 2412.21 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2412.982 2414.11 2413.15 2413.88 Yeah , maybe . 2413.43 2413.88 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2413.903 2415.596 2414.13 2415.27 Yeah , but we can't . 2414.68 2415.27 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2415.643 2421.904 2415.74 2421.73 Maybe if i if that thing is recalibrated , we can draw a thing quick , and then before it uh 2417.96 2419.26 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2420.96 2421.571 2420.98 2421.39 Yeah . 2421.39 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2423.472 2424.544 2423.472 2424.33 goes off again . 2424.33 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2423.62 2424.144 2423.73 2424.11 Let's go . 2424.11 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2425.518 2426.68 2425.56 2426.68 Well - TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2426.042 2427.502 2426.22 2427.43 Finish meeting now . 2427.43 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2427.22 2430.738 2427.24 2430.738 Finish the meeting now . Alright now we know what to do , so 2428.74 2430.21 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2430.596 2431.857 2430.78 2431.64 We'll stay here ? 2431.64 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2432.224 2432.944 2432.27 2432.944 Um - TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2434.869 2436.528 2434.97 2436.49 Yeah . Oh . 2436.34 2436.49 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2437.334 2439.027 2437.66 2438.68 Or we'll get the email . 2438.68 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2438.105 2443.15 2438.105 2443.15 Message ? No , get away . 2438.78 2439.62 2442.97 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2438.077 2443.287 2438.28 2443.03 Maybe w maybe we maybe w m Can we get email here ? Huh ? Yeah . Guess so . 2441.83 2442.2 2442.74 2443.03 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2442.146 2443.075 2442.27 2442.9 Yeah . 2442.9 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2445.166 2449.546 2445.31 2449.44 Um I I'm not sure . Maybe you Yeah . Well you'll have to work on this one . 2447.57 2448.32 2449.44 TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2448.551 2452.301 2448.73 2451.91 Well we'll wait a few seconds and then we'll get an email . 2451.91 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2449.912 2450.575 2450.01 2450.53 Yeah . 2450.53 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2451.637 2452.765 2451.77 2452.64 That's a good idea . 2452.64 TS3009c D MTD036ME 3 2452.102 2454.358 2452.37 2453.84 Alright . Have fun lads . 2453.03 2453.84 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2453.628 2454.159 2453.78 2454.159 Well - TS3009c B MTD035UID 1 2454.06 2454.79 2454.36 2454.55 Yeah . 2454.55 TS3009c C MTD034ID 2 2454.56 2457.696 2454.56 2457.696 A happy hol happy holidays . 2457.36 TS3009c A MTD033PM 0 2455.022 2458.872 2455.26 2458.872 Good luck . 2458.0 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 33.6 34.6 33.6 34.6 Uh fourth meeting . 34.6 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 38.21 38.94 38.21 38.94 We have to do what ? 38.94 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 38.981 44.52 38.981 44.52 W what ? Alri alright . We'll see . 41.92 43.63 44.52 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 39.43 40.52 39.43 40.52 Some extra deciding . 40.52 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 41.712 43.312 41.712 43.312 Well - TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 42.29 42.74 42.29 42.74 Oh . 42.74 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 45.622 53.08 45.622 53.08 I'll show you the notes again . Very interesting . Well you'll you two will uh present us your prototype . 48.33 49.81 53.08 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 53.38 53.59 53.38 53.59 Yeah . 53.59 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 54.16 71.34 54.16 71.34 Then um I guess that's your bit ? I I didn't s see anything about it , so I already uh thought you uh you were to do that . So the you're uh . I'll show you how we're going to do with financing this uh design . 57.66 59.13 62.59 64.06 71.34 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 57.28 57.52 57.28 57.52 Yeah . 57.52 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 70.04 70.47 70.04 70.47 Mm . 70.47 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 71.76 73.848 71.76 73.848 Yeah , that's important too . Yeah . 71.98 72.73 73.35 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 72.571 74.545 72.571 74.545 Bit late . 74.47 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 72.77 83.19 72.77 83.19 And then we'll evaluate , after after we have redesigned it . Because uh well we'll see about the costs . Um we'll uh evaluate our p our uh production 74.77 77.04 80.14 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 84.39 85.97 84.39 85.97 and then uh we can close . 85.97 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 87.3 87.61 87.3 87.61 Alright . 87.61 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 88.06 96.304 88.06 96.304 Well the finance uh we'll do later , so um firstly uh I'll show you the notes . I don't think it's very interesting . 89.95 94.38 96.08 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 99.26 100.07 99.26 100.07 I think it is . 100.07 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 100.36 103.232 100.36 103.232 Oh nei . Uh no . 101.56 102.9 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 106.15 106.86 106.15 106.86 Alright . 106.86 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 112.85 114.756 112.85 114.756 This is copy paste . So 114.19 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 114.63 123.437 114.63 123.437 From me of course , yeah . Well from us all , yeah , from all of us . Yeah . It's a nice chorus , yeah . 115.53 116.5 117.21 117.64 118.58 119.92 121.06 123.21 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 115.62 123.376 115.62 123.376 Of course . You had some very strange layout . Well um 116.37 122.66 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 125.24 139.617 125.24 139.617 We ge we went through the agenda , and well we had some uh some presentations from you three . And uh I summarised what you said to us . So uh I don't think it's very interesting and go through it again . So uh 126.51 130.54 134.46 138.75 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 138.1 139.49 138.1 139.49 Repeat it yeah . Alright . 139.19 139.49 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 140.39 149.21 140.39 149.21 This is what we decided . It's also copy paste from what we made together . So we still know that . And then uh we can we can uh use the time better . 142.2 144.64 147.17 149.21 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 145.28 145.52 145.28 145.52 Okay . 145.52 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 150.26 154.35 150.26 154.35 Well uh next you two will uh present uh the pot prototype for us . 154.35 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 154.85 159.456 154.85 159.456 Alright , we both uh will ? Or one of us will ? Uh 155.13 156.6 158.61 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 156.39 157.08 156.39 157.08 Yeah . 157.08 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 157.186 157.8 157.186 157.8 Alright . 157.8 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 160.22 161.42 160.22 161.42 No you go and I'll uh - TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 161.45 164.579 161.45 164.579 Alright . If I make mistakes uh you'll uh 162.26 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 162.47 163.33 162.47 163.33 supplement you . 163.33 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 164.618 165.24 164.618 165.24 Yeah . 165.24 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 166.2 168.416 166.2 168.416 Correct . 168.06 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 166.29 180.37 166.29 180.37 Right . Uh well this is our design . Uh it's pretty uh much uh like uh Mike draw uh drew uh the in the during the last meeting . With uh the different uh perspectives of it . Uh we'll begin uh with the front . 166.65 168.44 176.44 178.73 180.37 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 181.34 194.03 181.34 194.03 We have of course uh the the round shape uh the round uh basic shape . Um with uh the upper part being the front . Th So there's this part um which is made of hard plastic , the front . 186.3 189.52 193.46 194.03 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 194.58 214.675 194.58 214.675 And uh we're we're using different colours . Of course for the launch we use the basic ugly colours , and later we'll put out uh more interesting covers with different patterns and pictures and everything . But basically , different colours , bright colours not black , too dark . Fancy colours . Um then we have uh the lower part 196.93 199.31 205.09 206.05 206.95 208.46 209.39 211.19 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 199.568 200.49 199.568 200.49 Yeah . 200.49 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 203.15 203.63 203.15 203.63 Mm-hmm . 203.63 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 215.62 222.21 215.62 222.21 of the of the device . Uh which is of course um part of the back actually , because it's also titanium . 217.58 220.93 222.21 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 222.51 240.67 222.51 240.67 You can see it also on the on the on the side view , that only this part is the front , and the rest of it , the under uh the under side uh of it , yeah , the back side and the lower part of the front is of course titanium made of titanium , and has the titanium colour of course , the look . 226.25 227.92 229.17 231.81 232.0 237.71 240.04 240.67 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 241.37 255.19 241.37 255.19 Um then we have uh on back on the front uh the logo in the upper corner , uh which is uh made uh which is also part of the back , part of the titanium uh titanium part . Yeah ? 246.36 251.12 254.91 255.19 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 241.87 242.19 241.87 242.19 Mm . 242.19 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 252.83 254.619 252.83 254.619 Yeah , it's a double R_ , but 252.98 253.79 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 255.85 256.8 255.85 256.8 It's a double R_ . 256.8 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 257.42 268.24 257.42 268.24 It's a double R_ . Yeah the logo Uh uh it's difficult to draw so small , but it's our double R_ uh logo is in there . Um so that's the logo in the upper lef uh right corner . 258.01 261.16 264.58 268.24 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 258.19 261.43 258.19 261.43 But it's very difficult to to draw that in Yeah . 261.43 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 258.92 259.98 258.92 259.98 Yeah , alright . 259.31 259.98 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 262.67 263.0 262.67 263.0 Okay . 263.0 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 264.12 264.35 264.12 264.35 Yeah . 264.35 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 268.56 279.67 268.56 279.67 Then we have the buttons . Uh it's difficult to draw again the little oval or round I think oval will be better for the for the d for the different uh channel buttons . 269.48 279.67 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 275.39 276.0 275.39 276.0 Oval yeah . 276.0 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 278.13 278.47 278.13 278.47 Alright . 278.47 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 281.4 284.59 281.4 284.59 So uh oval , n those are here . And then we have the m 282.51 283.4 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 285.84 286.59 285.84 286.59 The m - TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 286.89 287.99 286.89 287.99 Channel up and volume ? 287.99 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 288.18 303.21 288.18 303.21 Yeah the the con the the the , yeah , the t volume and the channel controls uh in the middle here . Um um with kind of arrow shapes , which makes it also a bit more exciting than basic round or um uh 289.54 290.0 293.89 297.0 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 304.637 321.296 304.637 321.296 uh square buttons . And also here are the two uh buttons we agreed on . We have the Okay button . Oh nei we uh the Okay button's here in the middle of the of the operators , of the channel and uh volume um changers . And then we've here the Menu button and the 307.27 310.25 311.35 314.91 319.19 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 313.3 313.67 313.3 313.67 Yeah . 313.67 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 313.55 314.11 313.55 314.11 Mm-hmm . 314.11 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 321.54 321.98 321.54 321.98 Alright . 321.98 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 322.01 323.69 322.01 323.69 Menu for the L_C_D_ screen . 323.69 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 322.5 328.43 322.5 328.43 And the video button . The Yeah . And of course this low part , this is the L_C_D_ screen . 323.81 326.04 327.45 328.43 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 324.06 324.6 324.06 324.6 Mm right . 324.6 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 324.48 325.09 324.48 325.09 So - TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 329.51 329.84 329.51 329.84 'Kay . 329.84 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 330.02 333.52 330.02 333.52 Uh this is what we made of it . You can make uh suggestions uh if you want . 331.31 333.52 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 332.7 336.425 332.7 336.425 Well if I look at it , the side the side view 334.42 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 333.3 336.027 333.3 336.027 Well , at the back 333.57 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 335.56 349.53 335.56 349.53 Maybe we maybe we should finish first uh our talk and then you can add suggestions . Maybe I I don't want to I don't want to suppress you but n I'll uh finish this uh quick . Um okay I've had everything I guess on the front ? Yeah the back . Yeah . 338.71 344.93 348.94 349.35 349.53 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 337.3 337.56 337.3 337.56 Yeah . 337.56 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 338.16 341.0 338.16 341.0 Oh yeah alright . Yeah . 339.59 341.0 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 347.96 351.28 347.96 351.28 No the back . With the logo and our uh l uh 348.7 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 351.167 367.4 351.167 367.4 We thought about Yeah , uh the back is of course totally titanium . And we thought about the logo big in the middle . Just so again the double R_ . We have then the logo on front and on the back . Maybe that's too much but you have to say uh say that if you think that way . 352.31 355.35 358.64 360.08 362.57 367.4 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 358.59 358.81 358.59 358.81 Mm-hmm . 358.81 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 360.22 360.63 360.22 360.63 Mm-hmm . 360.63 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 363.39 363.89 363.39 363.89 Okay . 363.89 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 364.56 365.673 364.56 365.673 No I don't think - TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 367.51 378.611 367.51 378.611 And the company slogan , we thought in a kind of arc shape uh above the logo . That's basically what we were thinking about , and 369.63 374.96 377.8 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 367.64 368.49 367.64 368.49 And the - TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 371.78 372.2 371.78 372.2 Yeah . 372.2 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 372.52 372.72 372.52 372.72 Yeah . 372.72 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 378.02 378.47 378.02 378.47 Okay . 378.47 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 379.01 381.623 379.01 381.623 And about the side view um - TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 379.2 379.42 379.2 379.42 W - TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 382.68 391.281 382.68 391.281 This the front won't be as thick , but again th the the drawing technique makes it very difficult to to really uh 384.6 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 385.32 386.288 385.32 386.288 Well I see , but 386.02 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 389.89 400.59 389.89 400.59 Oh and uh before I forget . Yeah the the voice , of course , the voice recorder is uh at the bottom . And you can record it uh using , yeah , the the the back of the f w device . 391.04 392.07 392.44 395.32 397.68 397.89 400.59 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 391.02 392.75 391.02 392.75 Well . Yeah I see it . 391.98 392.75 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 395.2 395.71 395.2 395.71 Yes . 395.71 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 398.04 412.004 398.04 412.004 When I look at uh when I look at this side view , I think w when I have that in my hand , it's terrible . If if you look if if this this is thick , and this is thin , th th then it that it lies over your hands . But 401.59 404.28 405.93 408.79 409.59 411.54 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 398.68 399.88 398.68 399.88 Well , it won't be visible . 398.91 399.88 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 401.19 401.65 401.19 401.65 Mm ? 401.65 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 406.04 406.9 406.04 406.9 Why ? 406.9 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 409.271 414.768 409.271 414.768 Well it fits uh it it it it fits the hand , mean uh the the the the 413.07 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 413.16 413.4 413.16 413.4 Yeah . 413.4 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 414.19 415.18 414.19 415.18 Yeah , I agree . 414.44 415.18 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 414.26 423.61 414.26 423.61 Well what what what I what I agree is that when uh when um you have such of uh an arc in the middle , so that the the a the ends and the 421.63 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 424.67 429.04 424.67 429.04 fronts is a bit thicker , so th then it falls over your hands . 426.94 429.04 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 426.051 427.782 426.051 427.782 If y - TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 429.04 435.56 429.04 435.56 If you handle a remote , you you usually don't have your hand straight like this . You you have it a bit uh Yeah . 430.04 433.11 435.56 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 432.259 433.874 432.259 433.874 In the middle in the - TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 434.05 441.52 434.05 441.52 It depends on the size . If it's kinda small , this is is great . But if it's it's larger , then you want to grab it . 436.1 437.56 438.77 440.66 441.52 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 441.78 442.74 441.78 442.74 And how large is it ? 442.74 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 442.0 442.66 442.0 442.66 Yeah . 442.66 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 442.98 443.87 442.98 443.87 Yeah , that's the question . 443.14 443.87 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 444.83 455.54 444.83 455.54 That's the question . Uh well Yeah . H What do you suggest I mean we do ? This was Mike's prototype , and y you seemed to agreed on it . But now you have a totally different . 446.24 448.39 450.0 452.22 453.83 455.54 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 450.99 452.045 450.99 452.045 Well uh - TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 454.22 457.15 454.22 457.15 Well the sides I haven't seen yet , uh ? 455.76 457.15 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 456.89 459.38 456.89 459.38 Well , they lay there all the time . 458.11 459.38 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 457.68 472.44 457.68 472.44 The size ? Yeah well the size doesn't really matter w I mean Side ? Uh oh the side ? W we we he drew the s the side , but you d you weren't paying attention as usual . Well any case , we'll discuss it now . Uh I think uh this is a pretty good uh good idea . 458.09 461.19 462.35 463.94 467.14 468.6 469.4 472.44 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 458.64 462.749 458.64 462.749 They the the the the the side view , we didn't uh 461.73 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 463.51 463.94 463.51 463.94 Yeah yeah . 463.94 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 472.25 483.87 472.25 483.87 Yeah , I agree with the L_C_D_ screen . You have it in your palm like this , and you can watch uh watch the screen . And if you have it li in the middle , your hand might be over it . 472.39 474.5 477.38 480.22 482.86 483.87 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 482.74 483.2 482.74 483.2 Yeah . 483.2 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 484.73 488.56 484.73 488.56 But you you hold it like this . You're not holding it like this or something . 486.86 488.56 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 486.4 490.691 486.4 490.691 Yeah you you don't you don't grab it , you you 489.01 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 489.76 500.67 489.76 500.67 You , yeah , y How do you call it ? Yeah . Well y y y you don't have it like this . You have it more like this . You you you're using buttons this way , or if you're right-handed , this way . 489.96 490.29 490.89 491.81 494.92 497.09 499.02 500.34 500.67 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 495.23 495.74 495.23 495.74 No no no . 495.74 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 499.43 500.82 499.43 500.82 Like you're holding your telephone . 500.82 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 500.37 500.61 500.37 500.61 Yep . 500.61 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 501.14 501.47 501.14 501.47 Yeah . 501.47 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 501.91 503.2 501.91 503.2 So you Yeah . So 502.68 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 502.46 505.53 502.46 505.53 Because if you have a screen on it , you wanna look at your screen . 504.04 505.53 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 505.77 506.0 505.77 506.0 Hmm . 506.0 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 506.66 507.667 506.66 507.667 Yeah well - TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 506.85 510.52 506.85 510.52 That way , it it falls into your hand . I think . 507.14 508.42 510.39 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 509.84 510.18 509.84 510.18 Okay . 510.18 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 510.77 511.89 510.77 511.89 Yeah , I agree on this . 511.05 511.89 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 511.19 514.064 511.19 514.064 And maybe you can you can grab it a bit higher , so Well 513.09 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 514.04 517.601 514.04 517.601 No , I don't think so . That's not uh the point 514.29 515.47 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 516.17 517.205 516.17 517.205 No but but - TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 516.65 521.568 516.65 521.568 Well the the Well that's a reason to to to put the L_C_D_ screen uh of course on the upper side , but 521.41 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 522.1 528.288 522.1 528.288 Well f for as far as I can see , three of us agree and only Nils 525.88 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 527.27 530.82 527.27 530.82 Yeah well uh I think uh if you t if you three uh agree then then that's it . 530.82 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 531.65 537.052 531.65 537.052 But you're the Project Manager , you can make the hard decisions . 532.94 536.63 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 534.25 541.052 534.25 541.052 Yes . So uh I c I c Well , we'll we we'll do it like this . Alright , if you think that that's the way it should 534.82 536.5 538.41 538.67 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 535.06 537.536 535.06 537.536 If necessary . But uh are d Can you live with it ? Uh 535.57 537.27 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 538.04 538.27 538.04 538.27 Yeah ? 538.27 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 538.62 544.12 538.62 544.12 Y Yeah , y y y y you said it was totally uh unusable . But do you 539.85 543.27 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 542.94 550.08 542.94 550.08 No No , when I I my personal taste is that I want it to fall over my hands with a thick But 544.14 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 550.27 553.47 550.27 553.47 But d you don't think this is completely unusable I guess . I think . 553.12 553.47 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 551.21 552.432 551.21 552.432 In the market uh - TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 553.79 558.51 553.79 558.51 No not totally . For me , I I wouldn't buy it . Let's say it like that . 555.64 556.3 557.57 558.51 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 554.755 556.112 554.755 556.112 Not totally , well 555.54 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 557.67 565.424 557.67 565.424 Yeah but of course y you are also human . We have to take uh every everyone into account . So 559.65 565.12 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 560.33 561.311 560.33 561.311 No - TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 564.37 567.02 564.37 567.02 And you might be uh You might be target customer . 567.02 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 566.95 571.66 566.95 571.66 Yeah . Well uh who who else thinks like you ? We don't know . Maybe a thousand people , or a million people . 567.38 569.06 569.48 570.66 571.66 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 567.68 568.608 567.68 568.608 Yes but - TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 567.96 568.04 567.96 568.04 Mm . 568.04 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 569.63 577.2 569.63 577.2 Yeah , we don't know , but that's uh that's that's that's more market research . So let it be like this at uh at this moment . Okay ? 569.84 570.32 573.13 576.74 577.2 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 574.908 579.69 574.908 579.69 Let it be . Alright . So that's that . Uh any other suggestions ? 576.26 577.41 578.07 579.69 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 580.33 581.42 580.33 581.42 No , I think it's great . 580.55 581.42 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 581.59 581.88 581.59 581.88 Yeah . 581.88 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 582.34 584.37 582.34 584.37 But what about the redesigning ? 584.37 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 584.752 594.11 584.752 594.11 Comes to that later . Um you . Uh c You can uh Walter . You can do the evaluation uh criteria on this ? 587.01 588.07 591.7 594.11 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 586.42 587.616 586.42 587.616 Okay . 587.2 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 588.546 592.44 588.546 592.44 You're very personal again . 592.44 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 588.925 594.96 588.925 594.96 Alright . Great . 594.61 594.96 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 596.49 597.4 596.49 597.4 That's more useful - TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 598.93 600.51 598.93 600.51 than just speaking . 600.51 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 607.69 625.68 607.69 625.68 Well , this is just a short intro . I'm going to do uh the ev evaluation . That's gonna be done at the end of seven point skill criteria . So I made a I made a few questions on the hand of uh uh the impor most important requirements and trends . 607.85 609.79 613.14 619.03 625.68 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 609.8 610.05 609.8 610.05 Yes . 610.05 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 625.02 625.56 625.02 625.56 Mm-hmm . 625.56 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 626.15 637.54 626.15 637.54 And we have to look if our uh if our device uh is working correctly . Well , I put some questions in a Word file . See if I can find them . 632.6 633.01 636.15 637.54 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 638.8 639.94 638.8 639.94 Uh uh uh uh mm . 639.94 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 644.52 644.83 644.52 644.83 'Kay . 644.83 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 644.52 645.043 644.52 645.043 Well - TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 645.12 645.71 645.12 645.71 Hmm . 645.71 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 646.04 665.64 646.04 665.64 I uh think you have all seen uh this kind of evaluation , so uh I don't have to explain it . Uh the first question is , uh is the device good-looking ? Because normal p uh most people thought that um earlier devices were ugly ugly . Seventy five percent of them . So what do we think ? 648.91 651.06 652.45 655.11 662.45 663.88 665.64 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 667.1 669.568 667.1 669.568 Well d we designed it , so of course we are very 667.97 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 669.39 669.67 669.39 669.67 Mm . 669.67 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 670.07 672.8 670.07 672.8 Yeah , we're we're not quite uh objective about this . 670.25 672.8 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 670.13 670.806 670.13 670.806 Yeah - TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 672.15 672.81 672.15 672.81 Yeah . 672.81 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 672.15 679.36 672.15 679.36 No , I know , but I have to uh evaluate it . So I have to take this questionnaire . 672.41 672.8 675.92 679.36 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 672.24 674.71 672.24 674.71 Well we designed it to be good-looking . 674.71 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 680.04 683.152 680.04 683.152 So and we ha we have answer now ? Yeah . 682.39 682.82 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 680.34 684.18 680.34 684.18 To the customers ? To potential customers who have to take this questionnaire ? 681.88 684.18 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 681.91 682.752 681.91 682.752 Yeah - TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 683.58 685.98 683.58 685.98 Yeah , but I can't can s 683.86 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 685.04 695.814 685.04 695.814 Nei . Oh no . I know , I know , I know . But um Well we can go , uh because of the time , uh pretty quick through this . Uh do we find it good-looking ? Well we think so . Uh 685.35 685.83 686.08 686.26 687.19 689.09 690.93 692.09 693.82 695.23 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 685.63 685.91 685.63 685.91 Hmm . 685.91 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 695.19 697.047 695.19 697.047 I Yeah , I think it 695.68 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 695.25 697.675 695.25 697.675 Yeah . We designed it to be good-looking , so 695.77 697.13 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 695.37 696.896 695.37 696.896 Yeah , but uh , you know 695.98 696.38 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 697.06 697.36 697.06 697.36 Yeah . 697.36 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 697.94 715.37 697.94 715.37 We dis we di we designed it to be perfect . So But we have to be critic critical about it . And I have to uh take all these points and get a average at the end . So we we know where we stand . 'Cause th there are some things we might have uh bi might have forgotten . 700.92 705.29 708.65 711.62 715.37 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 709.67 711.11 709.67 711.11 Well , one . 710.48 711.11 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 715.41 716.62 715.41 716.62 Well so it's point four . 716.62 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 717.44 718.248 717.44 718.248 Right , so 717.7 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 717.92 719.13 717.92 719.13 Easy to find t - TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 717.93 721.28 717.93 721.28 Well l well let's start with the beginning , just one by one . 719.45 720.81 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 719.9 722.07 719.9 722.07 Right . Uh is it good-looking ? 720.75 722.07 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 722.2 736.72 722.2 736.72 Well , I guess uh I think uh it's uh it's it's um pointed towards the youth of course , uh if you look at the design and and the colours and everything . That was our target audience of course . But it's also not completely um 722.75 729.08 732.82 734.26 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 724.84 726.457 724.84 726.457 Two . 726.2 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 737.172 743.648 737.172 743.648 uh u unacceptable for older people I guess . Uh it's it's not f a device that 740.19 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 742.73 744.48 742.73 744.48 The titanium might be uh f - TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 745.33 749.754 745.33 749.754 Yeah , that's that's uh for older people , it's it's more that classical look . So 745.63 747.17 749.02 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 745.41 746.2 745.41 746.2 for older people . 746.2 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 748.37 751.06 748.37 751.06 It you put uh put a black front on it or something . 751.06 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 750.99 751.25 750.99 751.25 Hmm . 751.25 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 751.26 771.5 751.26 771.5 Uh no . I think Yeah they like black of course , but I think they'll uh they they think uh the the titanium look of it is also Uh I think it's also good for them , so I think we both uh have uh consider considered uh the youth and also a bit older people . So I think it's very good-looking and not only for youth uh young people . 751.82 753.87 759.89 767.34 771.5 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 768.03 768.7 768.03 768.7 Right . 768.7 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 771.87 778.97 771.87 778.97 I think we shouldn't discuss any points points that long , because I don't know how how many points there are but uh Yeah . 775.6 778.97 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 775.91 776.25 775.91 776.25 Right . 776.25 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 776.26 782.61 776.26 782.61 No . I totally agree . We we have to get get on , go through this . 777.21 778.32 781.94 782.61 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 777.68 778.88 777.68 778.88 Yeah , the fourteen yeah . 778.01 778.88 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 778.53 780.05 778.53 780.05 Right , a number please . 779.21 780.05 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 781.66 782.03 781.66 782.03 Yeah . 782.03 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 782.09 784.83 782.09 784.83 Is it easy to t change channels ? Yeah well I think so . 783.78 784.83 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 785.29 788.86 785.29 788.86 So the last one is seven . Easy to change channels ? 787.89 788.86 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 788.12 790.27 788.12 790.27 Um , no it's uh 789.1 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 788.72 790.0 788.72 790.0 No , not false . 789.17 790.0 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 790.98 791.51 790.98 791.51 It's one . 791.51 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 791.75 793.16 791.75 793.16 Oh , sorry . Yeah , right . 792.05 792.68 792.87 793.16 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 795.32 798.69 795.32 798.69 Well uh two ? Y Well we have to go through it . 797.17 798.69 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 796.69 797.39 796.69 797.39 Change channels ? 797.39 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 798.883 801.734 798.883 801.734 I think it's uh as easy as uh can be made . Uh 801.26 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 802.07 802.38 802.07 802.38 Right . 802.38 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 802.89 806.64 802.89 806.64 So I Yeah . You How can you make it any easier ? 804.75 806.59 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 807.14 809.87 807.14 809.87 The power , channel and volume buttons are easy accessible ? 807.56 809.87 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 807.207 809.88 807.207 809.88 With two huge buttons . 809.88 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 809.79 811.18 809.79 811.18 Yeah , huge is a Yeah . 810.1 811.18 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 809.98 810.14 809.98 810.14 Yep . 810.14 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 812.01 812.28 812.01 812.28 Two . 812.28 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 812.87 813.15 812.87 813.15 Two ? 813.15 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 815.85 818.77 815.85 818.77 Alright . The uh device is easy to find if you lose it ? 816.38 818.77 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 818.78 822.406 818.78 822.406 Well , no . We didn't implement anything about that . 819.26 819.56 822.1 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 819.41 822.95 819.41 822.95 D we d we don't we don't have uh that s - TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 822.1 827.168 822.1 827.168 Well it's easier to find than a a normal black one or something , because of the colour . But 825.93 826.94 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 825.808 830.083 825.808 830.083 Well six then . 829.96 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 827.69 829.92 827.69 829.92 Yeah . Six ? Right . 828.76 829.74 829.92 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 827.81 828.12 827.81 828.12 Yeah . 828.12 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 829.75 833.408 829.75 833.408 Well we don't have the device that beeps uh when you lost it or so , but um um 832.62 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 831.94 838.336 831.94 838.336 Are the functions easy to learn ? Well w I we do want we have a l f f less of an 833.98 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 836.68 838.38 836.68 838.38 We have so few functions , so Yeah . 837.67 838.38 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 838.63 839.8 838.63 839.8 Yeah , I agree . 839.37 839.8 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 840.05 842.25 840.05 842.25 And the device R_S_I_ sensitive ? 842.25 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 842.68 850.4 842.68 850.4 Well , I should I think two , because the voice recorder is n not self learning . 842.97 844.61 850.37 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 844.04 844.62 844.04 844.62 Yeah . 844.62 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 846.97 847.38 846.97 847.38 Ah . 847.38 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 848.75 850.608 848.75 850.608 Yeah . 850.11 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 850.74 851.7 850.74 851.7 Yeah . Yeah . 851.4 851.7 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 852.74 853.97 852.74 853.97 Alright . Two ? 853.5 853.97 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 853.34 853.62 853.34 853.62 Mm ? 853.62 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 855.0 858.288 855.0 858.288 Yeah , but just do some We we 855.49 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 857.54 865.83 857.54 865.83 Yeah Yeah , I agree . No . Yeah . 863.79 864.49 865.54 865.83 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 859.957 866.564 859.957 866.564 I th I th I think this is too time consuming . Uh not not towards you , but towards this all . Th this is 862.94 864.56 865.52 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 860.03 860.95 860.03 860.95 Are we take too much time ? 860.95 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 867.03 868.82 867.03 868.82 Right , R_ R_S_I_ sensitive ? 867.53 868.82 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 867.17 869.34 867.17 869.34 We you have to put it to the customers . 869.34 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 869.645 870.92 869.645 870.92 R_S_I_ sensitive ? 870.92 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 871.18 873.44 871.18 873.44 Uh well well a bit , so four . 872.2 873.44 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 873.71 875.55 873.71 875.55 Four . Um 874.72 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 875.67 876.05 875.67 876.05 Yes . 876.05 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 876.31 877.28 876.31 877.28 Yeah , very much . One . 876.55 876.95 877.28 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 877.7 879.7 877.7 879.7 One . And features included also one . 878.0 879.7 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 881.01 887.94 881.01 887.94 And One . Uh those uh nine uh is the fancy-looking . Uh we still think so . 884.06 886.9 887.94 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 883.051 884.612 883.051 884.612 Yeah . 884.53 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 888.0 888.54 888.0 888.54 Yeah . 888.54 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 889.35 892.13 889.35 892.13 Device fancy feeling . Yeah , cool man . 890.56 891.61 892.13 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 889.92 892.92 889.92 892.92 And I think fancy-feeling too , because of the titanium back . Yeah . 891.22 892.49 892.92 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 891.64 892.21 891.64 892.21 Yeah . 892.21 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 892.68 893.14 892.68 893.14 Right . 893.14 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 893.51 896.31 893.51 896.31 Are there enough technology ? Yeah well also we have two . 894.91 896.31 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 894.98 895.44 894.98 895.44 Yeah . 895.44 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 896.933 897.84 896.933 897.84 Yeah , that's great . 897.28 897.84 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 898.83 902.42 898.83 902.42 Is the device easy to use ? Yes we have not many buttons . 900.18 902.42 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 898.96 899.302 898.96 899.302 The - TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 902.43 904.97 902.43 904.97 So well maybe two because of the voice recorder . 904.97 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 903.52 905.53 903.52 905.53 Well , with the uh Three . 904.17 905.53 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 903.7 904.62 903.7 904.62 Two two . 904.62 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 903.8 904.6 903.8 904.6 Two , three . 904.27 904.6 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 906.04 906.29 906.04 906.29 T - TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 906.48 914.23 906.48 914.23 Are the trends about fruit and vegetables implemented ? Well in our covers , in our fronts . So yes , one . Is the material attractive ? 909.0 910.23 910.88 911.5 912.79 914.23 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 906.61 906.79 906.61 906.79 F - TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 910.14 910.76 910.14 910.76 Yeah . 910.76 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 911.01 913.21 911.01 913.21 Yeah . One or two . Yeah . 912.28 912.89 913.21 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 912.79 914.52 912.79 914.52 One or two , another two . 913.42 914.52 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 913.43 918.37 913.43 918.37 Nah f four I think . If you look at this 915.56 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 915.45 916.12 915.45 916.12 Four ? 916.12 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 917.41 931.329 917.41 931.329 Well , it doesn't really resemble any fruit , uh that's true . But but we have the the the the the sparkly fruity colours of course . And you can also have front with uh with fruit on it . 917.75 919.34 919.93 923.97 931.18 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 919.78 920.14 919.78 920.14 No . 920.14 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 921.88 924.02 921.88 924.02 Oh okay . Okay . 923.44 924.02 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 922.51 923.51 922.51 923.51 Well three . 923.51 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 923.42 924.31 923.42 924.31 Three , alright . 923.96 924.31 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 926.51 929.857 926.51 929.857 Yeah , that's true . But 926.76 927.68 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 927.25 935.5 927.25 935.5 Is the material attractive ? Well the titanium is strong , and uh the rest f uh the buttons feel soft . So I would say at least two . 929.33 931.03 933.92 935.5 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 928.23 929.66 928.23 929.66 Mm . Yeah . 929.35 929.66 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 935.91 936.42 935.91 936.42 Right . 936.42 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 936.81 937.33 936.81 937.33 Okay . 937.33 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 939.824 940.96 939.824 940.96 Well Yeah . 940.96 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 941.35 943.77 941.35 943.77 This is the last meeting ? Yeah . 943.57 943.77 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 942.82 951.2 942.82 951.2 Yes , but we we have to design much more , because there was some irritating account manager coming to me . 943.33 945.84 951.2 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 943.55 945.12 943.55 945.12 The average will uh come later . 945.12 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 952.671 953.68 952.671 953.68 Um - TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 952.87 956.47 952.87 956.47 I knew things uh were going uh too smoothly . 956.47 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 955.63 956.13 955.63 956.13 Oh . 956.13 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 957.39 959.97 957.39 959.97 There had to be some kind of trouble along the way . 959.97 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 957.52 958.296 957.52 958.296 Uh - TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 958.69 960.34 958.69 960.34 Yeah . 959.99 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 959.59 963.39 959.59 963.39 Yes . Well , look at the costs at this point . 959.91 960.65 963.39 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 965.71 966.44 965.71 966.44 My god . 966.44 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 966.63 967.52 966.63 967.52 I had to fit it in . 967.52 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 967.82 970.98 967.82 970.98 It has to go to twelve , right ? Twelve and a half . 969.01 970.44 970.98 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 969.58 970.35 969.58 970.35 I twelve and a half . 970.35 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 971.81 972.38 971.81 972.38 So - TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 973.48 976.91 973.48 976.91 Well what costs a lot ? The sample spea costs four . 975.53 976.91 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 977.89 979.146 977.89 979.146 The what ? The 978.4 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 978.52 980.83 978.52 980.83 The sample speaker , the s sensor . 979.96 980.83 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 979.42 982.84 979.42 982.84 Out . That's easy . Kick it out . Yeah . 980.57 981.3 982.56 982.84 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 981.96 987.12 981.96 987.12 Kick it out . We have to go to twelve and a half . The speaker costs far , by far the most . 982.96 984.68 986.27 987.12 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 982.42 982.76 982.42 982.76 The what ? 982.76 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 984.08 984.81 984.08 984.81 The speaker . 984.81 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 985.55 986.03 985.55 986.03 Oh . 986.03 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 988.1 991.49 988.1 991.49 Yeah w tha that's uh that's a bit an optional option . 991.49 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 988.59 990.561 988.59 990.561 That's some wrong info , man . 989.46 990.48 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 990.89 992.92 990.89 992.92 It it isn't worth it . 992.92 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 993.04 994.84 993.04 994.84 No . No , d th No . 993.67 993.84 994.84 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 993.43 993.73 993.43 993.73 No . 993.73 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 993.98 998.219 993.98 998.219 We could make two different versions , one with and one without . But for this 995.74 996.84 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 995.02 995.539 995.02 995.539 It's uh - TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 997.31 999.47 997.31 999.47 It's just extra . Kick it out . 999.0 999.47 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 999.99 1000.9 999.99 1000.9 So , zero . 1000.41 1000.9 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1003.39 1003.73 1003.39 1003.73 Yeah . 1003.73 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1003.85 1005.4 1003.85 1005.4 Then we go to fourteen point six . 1005.4 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1006.3 1006.82 1006.3 1006.82 What more ? 1006.82 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1006.78 1008.92 1006.78 1008.92 Well the titanium I don't want to lose actually . 1008.92 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1008.816 1010.784 1008.816 1010.784 Batteries are uh quite - TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1009.18 1009.55 1009.18 1009.55 No . 1009.55 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1010.07 1015.69 1010.07 1015.69 L_C_ three ? Yeah hand dynamo ? Y t come on , w a remote control has a battery . 1012.16 1013.2 1014.17 1015.69 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1013.601 1015.31 1013.601 1015.31 Uh no , no no no . 1014.23 1015.31 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1013.8 1014.696 1013.8 1014.696 Um - TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1014.79 1014.86 1014.79 1014.86 N - TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1015.95 1019.38 1015.95 1019.38 Uh well we have a bit of a problem I think . Because uh 1018.42 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1018.46 1021.85 1018.46 1021.85 Well well why why why should we use a advanced chip ? 1021.85 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1022.52 1024.61 1022.52 1024.61 Well be for the L_C_D_ uh you had said . 1024.61 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1022.821 1025.03 1022.821 1025.03 the L_C_D_ screen . Yeah . 1024.77 1025.03 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1025.27 1027.5 1025.27 1027.5 Yeah ? Can't we do that with a regular chip ? 1025.97 1027.5 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1025.27 1025.61 1025.27 1025.61 Hmm . 1025.61 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1027.99 1028.24 1027.99 1028.24 No . 1028.24 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1028.86 1029.21 1028.86 1029.21 Why not ? 1029.21 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1029.64 1034.93 1029.64 1034.93 Because uh that uh y because my information says it . 1034.93 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1032.49 1035.06 1032.49 1035.06 Well what what's the difference between simple and regular ? 1035.06 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1035.73 1035.98 1035.73 1035.98 Huh ? 1035.98 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1036.16 1038.22 1036.16 1038.22 What's the difference between a simple and a regular chip ? 1038.22 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1037.11 1038.48 1037.11 1038.48 Yeah . Regular is normal . 1037.44 1038.48 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1039.15 1039.57 1039.15 1039.57 Yeah . 1039.57 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1040.01 1040.55 1040.01 1040.55 And simple ? 1040.55 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1040.49 1043.936 1040.49 1043.936 Uh well yeah I I read something about it , but 1043.6 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1041.08 1041.74 1041.08 1041.74 Simple . 1041.74 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1041.609 1042.7 1041.609 1042.7 Nothing . 1042.7 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1042.93 1044.92 1042.93 1044.92 Elementary . 1044.92 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1046.591 1053.4 1046.591 1053.4 Yeah , I I read something about it , but it wasn't very clear . I d I didn't in include it in my report . 1048.7 1050.1 1050.93 1053.4 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1046.69 1047.57 1046.69 1047.57 Well ? 1047.57 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1048.72 1049.46 1048.72 1049.46 Your part . 1049.46 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1053.74 1055.214 1053.74 1055.214 What happens if we do - TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1054.036 1055.616 1054.036 1055.616 Single - TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1056.71 1057.62 1056.71 1057.62 Well you have to use - TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1059.22 1060.22 1059.22 1060.22 a chip . So 1059.73 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1061.62 1065.23 1061.62 1065.23 Well you have to use the advanced chip , if you have the L_C_D_ screen . 1063.98 1065.23 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1062.18 1064.06 1062.18 1064.06 How much do we win ? One . 1063.56 1064.06 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1063.07 1067.872 1063.07 1067.872 We we we Why ? We have very little options furthermore , for the 1065.19 1067.37 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1068.35 1070.97 1068.35 1070.97 But if you have a regular chip , you can't have the L_C_D_ screen . 1069.53 1070.97 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1068.47 1068.92 1068.47 1068.92 Yeah . 1068.92 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1071.16 1072.97 1071.16 1072.97 Uh well we have to put that in . 1072.97 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1072.18 1074.06 1072.18 1074.06 Yeah , we need to have the the L_C_D_ screen . 1072.43 1074.06 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1073.43 1074.837 1073.43 1074.837 That that's a fact . Uh 1074.3 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1074.14 1082.08 1074.14 1082.08 Well , we could say , well this special colour , that isn't that that isn't there , because the the fronts they will buy it . The special colour . 1074.5 1075.36 1077.04 1078.38 1081.42 1082.08 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1077.13 1078.203 1077.13 1078.203 No - TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1082.53 1085.53 1082.53 1085.53 Yeah , but No , that's n It's not relevant . 1083.15 1084.05 1085.53 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1082.7 1085.405 1082.7 1085.405 Yeah , but it's only one half . Uh it d it doesn't 1082.88 1084.04 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1083.37 1083.88 1083.37 1083.88 Nah . 1083.88 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1085.64 1088.32 1085.64 1088.32 Yeah , then you s then you only have one half left . 1086.44 1088.32 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1085.84 1087.45 1085.84 1087.45 Yeah , you must change the chip uh back . 1085.98 1087.45 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1088.56 1090.02 1088.56 1090.02 You must change the chip back , Nils . 1089.71 1090.02 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1088.58 1089.12 1088.58 1089.12 Yeah . 1089.12 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1090.94 1091.62 1090.94 1091.62 Uh yeah . 1091.62 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1091.69 1093.56 1091.69 1093.56 But we d Then we have to lose the L_C_D_ screen . 1093.56 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1094.93 1099.696 1094.93 1099.696 No , Then the whole concept is uh 1096.63 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1098.44 1106.97 1098.44 1106.97 Yeah , I know but that's what my information says . I di I didn't uh put uh the advanced chip in there for fun . You have to use it . 1098.55 1101.8 1106.21 1106.97 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1103.6 1107.535 1103.6 1107.535 Hmm . No we oh 1104.83 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1104.04 1104.378 1104.04 1104.378 You - TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1105.53 1108.736 1105.53 1108.736 You can make you can make it cheaper . But if you don't sell 1107.6 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1110.49 1117.33 1110.49 1117.33 You you we have an advanced chip-on-print , and we have an L_C_ display . I think that's a bit double . Y we don't need both . 1112.82 1114.55 1116.24 1117.33 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1110.5 1111.01 1110.5 1111.01 Yeah . 1111.01 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1115.07 1115.44 1115.07 1115.44 Yeah ? 1115.44 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1116.34 1120.74 1116.34 1120.74 No , the advanced chip is needed to have an L_C_D_ display . 1117.37 1120.74 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1119.31 1121.37 1119.31 1121.37 For the L_C_D_ screen . Yeah . Yeah . 1120.36 1121.13 1121.37 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1121.54 1122.75 1121.54 1122.75 Says . 1122.75 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1122.59 1125.19 1122.59 1125.19 Says , his Uh that was in the second meeting , I think . 1122.93 1124.87 1125.19 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1125.09 1130.789 1125.09 1130.789 Well uh and what do they mean with curves uh again ? Because we you have uncurved 1127.92 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1128.85 1138.02 1128.85 1138.02 Well I I did single curve to Well you said s double curved , uh he , because uh I thought it's a b a bit cheaper already . We can also make it flat . 1133.48 1134.32 1136.96 1138.02 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1132.14 1133.32 1132.14 1133.32 I ? ? 1133.32 1133.32 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1133.94 1134.3 1133.94 1134.3 Yeah . 1134.3 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1136.95 1139.1 1136.95 1139.1 No no no no . 1139.1 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1137.36 1137.852 1137.36 1137.852 Well - TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1138.39 1148.15 1138.39 1148.15 But what what did what do n Sorry , but What do they mean with the curves ? Is th Is this a curve ? One curve ? Yeah , this is actually two curves , yeah . It's how you It's how you look at it . 1140.29 1142.11 1143.67 1144.73 1144.93 1146.02 1146.21 1148.15 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1139.17 1139.76 1139.17 1139.76 But - TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1142.41 1143.6 1142.41 1143.6 Curved ? Yes , that's curved . 1142.85 1143.07 1143.6 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1145.03 1145.42 1145.03 1145.42 Yes . 1145.42 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1146.44 1147.26 1146.44 1147.26 No , it's one curve . 1146.73 1147.26 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1147.127 1149.28 1147.127 1149.28 One curve . 1148.85 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1148.46 1149.59 1148.46 1149.59 One curve , simple . 1149.2 1149.59 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1150.05 1154.56 1150.05 1154.56 Well then we have a huge problem I think . W t we can never get uh below the twelve and a half . 1151.49 1154.56 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1153.58 1155.22 1153.58 1155.22 We have a big financial problem . 1155.22 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1155.78 1157.7 1155.78 1157.7 Well we make it more expensive to buy . 1157.7 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1158.6 1170.048 1158.6 1170.048 Well , then we have two dollars less profit . Come on , if we if we if we make this fifty million , they won't hesitate to uh congratulate us , so uh 1159.89 1161.94 1162.45 1165.1 1167.56 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1169.05 1173.57 1169.05 1173.57 If if you make people brand-aware , they are willing to pay more . But 1171.29 1173.11 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1174.18 1175.872 1174.18 1175.872 But uh I - TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1174.94 1181.78 1174.94 1181.78 Because we we use a brand at the front and uh I dun at the back . If you have uh lots of uh marketing 1179.39 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1183.47 1184.36 1183.47 1184.36 people might buy . 1184.36 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1185.53 1188.425 1185.53 1188.425 Yeah or we could replace it - TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1186.7 1188.638 1186.7 1188.638 If you if you make it cool to have - TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1189.02 1191.08 1189.02 1191.08 By the way , we also have this one . 1190.21 1191.08 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1193.4 1194.44 1193.4 1194.44 Oh , that's just great . 1193.59 1194.44 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1194.73 1200.447 1194.73 1200.447 Oh , costs nothing . That's nice . Plastic is 1195.05 1196.49 1199.22 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1196.17 1199.231 1196.17 1199.231 Oh , alright . 1196.92 1199.14 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1197.344 1209.98 1197.344 1209.98 Hey but uh I think you'll agree that uh that we that now we have this uh screen , it's it's very uh not practical to ha to consider this after we have designed the entire thing . 1204.77 1209.98 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1210.24 1211.79 1210.24 1211.79 Yes , but I just got it . 1210.57 1211.79 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1211.696 1214.66 1211.696 1214.66 Well that's pretty uh l - TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1212.9 1216.86 1212.9 1216.86 Why why don't we replace the titanium with uh - TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1214.93 1219.12 1214.93 1219.12 That is pretty stupid . 1218.78 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1215.97 1218.528 1215.97 1218.528 N not very practical . Well 1218.23 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1217.92 1223.71 1217.92 1223.71 plastic coloured titanium , uh titanium-coloured plastic ? 1220.96 1223.71 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1221.82 1222.24 1221.82 1222.24 Who ? 1222.24 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1226.47 1228.34 1226.47 1228.34 You want to dump the titanium ? 1228.34 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1229.38 1232.45 1229.38 1232.45 Yeah well if we uh we we have to get cheaper . 1232.45 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1232.91 1235.08 1232.91 1235.08 And make all plastic , then we ha then we're there . 1234.01 1235.08 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1237.577 1240.326 1237.577 1240.326 But I'm n I don't agree . I think 1239.35 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1239.31 1244.29 1239.31 1244.29 But then we we've got to uh run through the eval evaluation process again . 1244.29 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1240.76 1249.16 1240.76 1249.16 Th then you have a ugly , stupid , l ugly looking , dumb remote that that no-one would buy . 1243.17 1244.45 1246.11 1249.16 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1247.46 1248.27 1247.46 1248.27 Ah no no . 1248.27 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1249.37 1251.55 1249.37 1251.55 It's not ugly looking . The looks remain the same . 1250.37 1251.55 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1251.65 1252.46 1251.65 1252.46 No , I don't think so . 1251.85 1252.46 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1252.68 1252.82 1252.68 1252.82 Y - TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1252.76 1253.74 1252.76 1253.74 Well , I do think so . 1253.05 1253.74 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1253.14 1257.136 1253.14 1257.136 I think the titanium just uh provided the the tough look and the and the - TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1256.32 1259.312 1256.32 1259.312 Yes . And the feel , and th that it is strong , and 1257.18 1257.85 1259.06 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1257.187 1258.64 1257.187 1258.64 feel . 1258.64 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1259.59 1269.33 1259.59 1269.33 And also the the older people will like it because of that . And because i Alright it's not our target audience , but it's it's useful if it's uh important for old people . Yeah . 1262.06 1264.58 1268.89 1269.33 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1262.29 1263.37 1262.29 1263.37 Yeah , I agree . 1262.96 1263.37 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1265.6 1271.984 1265.6 1271.984 We still we had to focus to get more people from the younger group , but not lose the one 1270.52 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1270.546 1273.96 1270.546 1273.96 I think the titanium is very important . 1273.96 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1273.88 1276.26 1273.88 1276.26 Yeah alright but then we we won't get there . 1276.26 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1275.25 1279.99 1275.25 1279.99 Yeah we have a problem , yeah . W But you can better , yeah , dump the L_C_D_ screen then . 1276.0 1276.41 1278.07 1278.6 1279.99 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1279.8 1286.1 1279.8 1286.1 We can dump the special colour . We l we use plastic . And plastic is already in colour I think . 1281.13 1283.81 1286.1 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1285.56 1287.49 1285.56 1287.49 I don't think you should dump the L_C_D_ screen . 1287.49 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1288.19 1289.981 1288.19 1289.981 Well what else ? W I mean uh 1288.93 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1289.24 1290.08 1289.24 1290.08 No , nothing . 1289.43 1290.08 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1290.42 1306.36 1290.42 1306.36 Or you shou It's Or change the titanium or dump the L_C_D_ screen . But I think you could better change uh titanium to hard a hard kind of plastic looking like titanium than lose the L_C_D_ screen . Because you have lots of functions in it too . 1294.68 1303.98 1306.36 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1291.58 1291.9 1291.58 1291.9 Amen . 1291.9 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1297.11 1297.44 1297.11 1297.44 Yeah . 1297.44 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1301.19 1301.55 1301.19 1301.55 Yeah . 1301.55 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1305.783 1312.272 1305.783 1312.272 Yeah , well yeah . Alright . I agree with that . So we u we use uh 1307.41 1308.32 1309.22 1310.38 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1307.16 1307.43 1307.16 1307.43 Yeah . 1307.43 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1308.82 1309.951 1308.82 1309.951 Why can't I - TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1309.65 1310.266 1309.65 1310.266 But - TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1313.68 1315.66 1313.68 1315.66 Unfortunately . Um . 1315.07 1315.66 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1316.07 1324.31 1316.07 1324.31 I'll put in the report we that we think that fourteen point one is the l m lowest price you can make a remote for that's trendy d these days . 1324.31 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1317.29 1318.92 1317.29 1318.92 Titanium-coloured plastic . 1318.92 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1323.62 1324.66 1323.62 1324.66 Yeah , I agree . 1323.87 1324.66 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1325.09 1327.99 1325.09 1327.99 So titanium-coloured plastic for the back . 1327.99 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1328.2 1331.14 1328.2 1331.14 I I'll talk to the managers . 1330.85 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1329.81 1332.64 1329.81 1332.64 No no no no . W Titanium stays there . 1330.64 1332.64 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1332.95 1339.808 1332.95 1339.808 Titanium , I thi I think this this is this is e really good re remote . But 1333.49 1338.12 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1336.79 1339.024 1336.79 1339.024 Yeah this is good , but it it's not good enough . 1337.5 1338.74 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1336.87 1340.456 1336.87 1340.456 Osl - TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1339.8 1343.23 1339.8 1343.23 So we have to use the ditch the titanium , I'm afraid . 1342.62 1343.23 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1343.11 1351.504 1343.11 1351.504 Ah those those account managers , what do th d what do they know ? Come on . Riot . 1345.65 1346.95 1348.69 1351.17 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1344.09 1344.534 1344.09 1344.534 Well - TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1348.62 1354.48 1348.62 1354.48 What do we Well what do we know ? All we want is a is a fancy design but we don't really consider the costs . So 1350.41 1354.15 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1353.28 1354.65 1353.28 1354.65 Yes , yes . 1353.93 1354.65 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1354.61 1356.5 1354.61 1356.5 No because we did not know anything about it . 1356.5 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1356.41 1363.95 1356.41 1363.95 If you don't have the money , you can't make it . So s If you don't have the money , you can't make it . So this is too expensive . 1357.46 1358.59 1360.79 1361.58 1363.95 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1356.46 1359.84 1356.46 1359.84 Yeah al alright , yeah . But we have to deal with it now . So 1357.46 1357.79 1359.62 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1356.61 1358.63 1356.61 1358.63 One and a half Euros . Hmm ? 1358.42 1358.63 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1365.52 1366.11 1365.52 1366.11 So ? 1366.11 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1365.74 1366.241 1365.74 1366.241 So - TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1366.23 1367.36 1366.23 1367.36 So we have to make it cheaper . 1367.36 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1367.41 1369.65 1367.41 1369.65 Titanium gone and add plastic . 1369.65 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1370.53 1370.87 1370.53 1370.87 Right . 1370.87 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1370.84 1373.26 1370.84 1373.26 Yeah , but then we've got money left . 1371.19 1373.26 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1372.48 1374.99 1372.48 1374.99 And on plastic times two and then we uh are there ? 1374.99 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1375.03 1379.48 1375.03 1379.48 Well , no it's just uh all plastic . Well alright . Huh . 1375.34 1378.03 1379.11 1379.48 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1377.13 1377.523 1377.13 1377.523 No - TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1378.304 1388.13 1378.304 1388.13 No yeah well Oh six . A lot of plastic , yeah . No two for the to make it clear . 1383.44 1384.44 1386.38 1388.13 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1382.448 1385.64 1382.448 1385.64 It's just free , man . 1385.03 1385.64 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1384.292 1386.295 1384.292 1386.295 Four . So 1385.75 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1388.82 1390.27 1388.82 1390.27 But then we can add the special colour ? 1390.27 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1391.06 1391.43 1391.06 1391.43 Yeah . 1391.43 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1391.5 1393.863 1391.5 1393.863 As we have money over uh left . 1393.48 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1394.68 1395.4 1394.68 1395.4 Yeah . W 1395.35 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1394.84 1397.82 1394.84 1397.82 And we still have money left . What do we want , guys ? 1396.44 1397.41 1397.82 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1397.86 1400.797 1397.86 1400.797 I want gold plating . No no um 1399.01 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1398.959 1401.809 1398.959 1401.809 Yeah right . I want chrome . 1400.06 1401.58 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1401.0 1403.07 1401.0 1403.07 Well I think uh the case is double curved then . 1403.07 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1403.76 1404.17 1403.76 1404.17 Yes . 1404.17 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1406.324 1409.023 1406.324 1409.023 We have we have to uh fill - TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1406.49 1409.02 1406.49 1409.02 Because you y have that curve and you have that curve . 1409.02 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1408.304 1411.83 1408.304 1411.83 Well , th that that is the problem . 1410.62 1411.83 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1408.33 1411.79 1408.33 1411.79 Y Oh no . Alright . 1411.3 1411.79 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1409.83 1415.312 1409.83 1415.312 W we ha No no no , but th that's not f um 1412.31 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1409.92 1411.352 1409.92 1411.352 Yeah well uh - TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1413.44 1413.91 1413.44 1413.91 Safe . 1413.91 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1415.54 1417.89 1415.54 1417.89 Well y we have curves in all directions . 1417.89 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1416.42 1425.19 1416.42 1425.19 Well you can you can double curve , if you don't have titanium . And that we dropped , so it it can be done . But it's pretty funny . We we do want to reach 1418.7 1419.89 1420.82 1423.1 1423.86 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1421.3 1422.63 1421.3 1422.63 So alright . 1422.63 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1426.31 1430.03 1426.31 1430.03 twelve point five . But it isn't bad to to to stay at eleven . 1426.97 1430.03 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1427.49 1428.34 1427.49 1428.34 Finance ? 1428.34 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1427.52 1431.6 1427.52 1431.6 I mean , this this ain't titanium , but it looks like it . 1429.14 1430.73 1431.6 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1432.05 1435.54 1432.05 1435.54 We get more salary , if we make if cheaper than twelve uh twelve and a half . 1432.95 1435.54 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1432.23 1452.21 1432.23 1452.21 Well , guys ? Guys ? We have to dump our titanium , and we'll hate the managers for that , but now we're going to evaluate our project , of uh project , project . Well , satisfaction on for example , are we satisfactory about our creativity ? 1432.72 1433.88 1434.98 1436.74 1438.77 1441.73 1443.24 1444.69 1445.97 1449.64 1452.21 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1432.979 1435.94 1432.979 1435.94 Yeah . Shoot . 1435.33 1435.94 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1440.13 1440.8 1440.13 1440.8 Objection . 1440.8 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1442.54 1445.312 1442.54 1445.312 Pro project . 1445.01 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1452.27 1460.99 1452.27 1460.99 Well I can't get no satisfaction , but uh I think it's uh Well in in if we consider the costs then this is the best , yeah . 1454.25 1460.85 1460.99 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1461.18 1461.5 1461.18 1461.5 Yeah . 1461.5 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1461.2 1475.58 1461.2 1475.58 I think it's terrible that we got uh those costs at the last moment . That's really bad . But that that that's that , yeah that's a reason , but also for our creativity . We had um nice design , and then you get the cost , and you had to dump all your creativity . 1465.13 1466.38 1468.97 1469.89 1471.27 1472.97 1474.02 1475.58 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1462.03 1462.43 1462.03 1462.43 Yeah . 1462.43 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1464.43 1464.98 1464.43 1464.98 Yeah . 1464.98 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1464.46 1465.17 1464.46 1465.17 Yeah , me too . 1464.9 1465.17 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1466.15 1468.182 1466.15 1468.182 Its it's uh ridiculous actually , but 1467.56 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1467.33 1468.69 1467.33 1468.69 And uh unrealistic . 1468.69 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1475.76 1479.81 1475.76 1479.81 Well we we we used our creativity , but we just had to adapt it to the costs . 1477.53 1479.81 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1475.98 1476.32 1475.98 1476.32 Right . 1476.32 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1479.537 1485.248 1479.537 1485.248 Which isn't very practical , but that's the way . Uh-huh . 1481.24 1483.54 1485.07 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1481.382 1483.951 1481.382 1483.951 Nei . Uh no . 1482.7 1483.72 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1481.65 1481.99 1481.65 1481.99 Yeah . 1481.99 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1483.28 1484.32 1483.28 1484.32 Well , alright . 1483.74 1484.32 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1485.31 1490.848 1485.31 1490.848 Uh leadership next . Uh teamwork ? 1487.49 1490.73 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1486.391 1489.482 1486.391 1489.482 Terrible . 1489.33 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1489.216 1490.24 1489.216 1490.24 Leadership . 1490.24 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1490.79 1492.242 1490.79 1492.242 Leadership ? Well 1491.72 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1491.47 1496.662 1491.47 1496.662 Well it's It was very democratic . 1496.19 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1493.61 1502.48 1493.61 1502.48 Uh yeah well I think so also . I al I I've uh filled that in in a the questionnaires uh each time , so Well the managers were terrible . 1495.47 1499.11 1502.48 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1493.76 1494.82 1493.76 1494.82 Yeah . Yeah . 1494.52 1494.82 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1499.033 1500.22 1499.033 1500.22 Yeah yeah . 1500.22 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1503.7 1505.12 1503.7 1505.12 So , with their all their 1504.18 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1506.31 1509.68 1506.31 1509.68 useless requirements . But o alright , the teamwork ? 1508.23 1508.95 1509.68 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1508.85 1513.88 1508.85 1513.88 Well uh they they didn't think of the requirements . It's the requirements of the user , uh I guess . 1511.55 1513.14 1513.88 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1513.99 1521.028 1513.99 1521.028 No they said , oh we won't d uh we won't uh use teletext , uh we won't use the D_V_D_ . 1514.7 1517.95 1520.85 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1516.089 1517.48 1516.089 1517.48 Yeah . 1517.48 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1519.1 1522.35 1519.1 1522.35 Yeah but they base that on on the user specifications . 1522.35 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1523.23 1526.03 1523.23 1526.03 Alright , teamwork ? Well great I think . 1523.75 1525.16 1526.03 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1524.68 1525.19 1524.68 1525.19 Well - TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1525.96 1527.808 1525.96 1527.808 Right yeah . 1527.56 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1526.16 1527.38 1526.16 1527.38 Yeah , think so too . 1526.62 1527.38 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1527.55 1530.23 1527.55 1530.23 Uh well what do you , what did you think about the SMARTboard ? 1528.91 1530.23 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1530.63 1534.41 1530.63 1534.41 It was a complete disaster . No Uh it it it uh it is uh 1532.16 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1531.435 1534.76 1531.435 1534.76 Yeah , I don't like it . Yeah ? 1532.64 1534.06 1534.76 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1532.66 1533.297 1532.66 1533.297 Well - TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1533.04 1536.21 1533.04 1536.21 No , that's a SMARTboard , and that's a digital pen . Or not ? 1533.22 1534.34 1535.95 1536.21 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1535.79 1537.71 1535.79 1537.71 It's also a It's both the SMARTboards . 1537.71 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1536.76 1539.56 1536.76 1539.56 No it's other way around . That's the SMARTboard . That's the digital panel . 1537.85 1538.64 1539.56 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1538.65 1543.15 1538.65 1543.15 I liked this SMARTboard , but I hated that one . Well it's both a SMARTboard . 1540.02 1542.03 1543.15 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1539.87 1542.49 1539.87 1542.49 This this this isn't a SMARTboard , right ? 1542.28 1542.49 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1542.82 1543.6 1542.82 1543.6 That's that's the smart - TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1543.78 1550.671 1543.78 1550.671 Yeah right . B but you This is just a large t large television . You u you use the 1544.19 1547.65 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1545.7 1547.699 1545.7 1547.699 Oh they're both SMARTboards . 1547.41 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1547.08 1547.49 1547.08 1547.49 No . 1547.49 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1547.844 1549.72 1547.844 1549.72 A televi Yeah . 1549.72 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1549.1 1554.37 1549.1 1554.37 It's both a SMARTboard , but this one is used for a desktop , and that one is used to to draw . 1550.29 1552.85 1554.37 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1553.88 1560.754 1553.88 1560.754 Yeah , but you ca This is just a beamer function . And here , on this one , you can uh draw the pictures and things like that . But 1554.12 1556.67 1557.45 1557.94 1560.36 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1559.73 1561.21 1559.73 1561.21 Well , wi w which one did you like ? 1560.0 1561.21 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1561.128 1564.319 1561.128 1564.319 Yeah . Left or right ? 1562.04 1564.18 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1561.84 1562.24 1561.84 1562.24 That one . 1562.24 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1562.848 1565.007 1562.848 1565.007 That one . 1564.81 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1563.086 1567.622 1563.086 1567.622 That one isn't accurate . It just doesn't work . You can 1565.44 1566.83 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1563.23 1563.59 1563.23 1563.59 Yeah . 1563.59 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1566.02 1567.484 1566.02 1567.484 Yeah . 1566.96 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1566.97 1569.4 1566.97 1569.4 But I I think this is meant by the digital pen . 1569.4 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1569.92 1571.85 1569.92 1571.85 Yes . Th that is so . 1571.1 1571.85 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1572.25 1576.92 1572.25 1576.92 Yeah , but I think there's a big distinction between the these th I don't need a SMARTboard . 1572.54 1576.92 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1572.34 1573.632 1572.34 1573.632 Well I didn't use uh - TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1572.9 1573.0 1572.9 1573.0 Yeah . 1573.0 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1572.99 1574.66 1572.99 1574.66 We're now talking about the SMARTboards . 1574.66 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1577.97 1580.643 1577.97 1580.643 Nei It it's much m - TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1578.281 1583.07 1578.281 1583.07 Well we we used that one , and we needed it . I think . 1581.65 1582.44 1583.07 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1581.44 1585.04 1581.44 1585.04 Yeah , but give me a beamer . That's uh that's much uh much cheaper . 1581.75 1583.05 1585.04 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1583.8 1584.865 1583.8 1584.865 Yeah alright , but 1584.54 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1584.96 1590.05 1584.96 1590.05 Or install a laptop to a beamer , or have this one standing here in an I I like it . 1587.08 1590.05 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1590.26 1590.81 1590.26 1590.81 Right . 1590.81 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1591.06 1593.03 1591.06 1593.03 Yeah I like that one , but that one is terrible . 1591.86 1593.03 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1591.3 1592.08 1591.3 1592.08 Okay , alright . 1591.61 1592.08 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1592.8 1600.79 1592.8 1600.79 But uh you can uh I I sent it about three times now . Uh a green uh board with uh chalk is much more useful than that thing . 1595.63 1600.79 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1599.5 1601.54 1599.5 1601.54 Yeah . Yeah , it is . 1600.57 1601.16 1601.54 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1600.36 1600.82 1600.36 1600.82 Yeah . 1600.82 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1601.73 1603.4 1601.73 1603.4 The simple uh sch school board . 1603.4 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1602.3 1602.754 1602.3 1602.754 So - TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1602.43 1602.99 1602.43 1602.99 I agree . 1602.99 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1603.36 1607.06 1603.36 1607.06 And uh the digi the digital pen ? Did uh did you like that one ? 1605.42 1607.06 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1606.98 1607.31 1606.98 1607.31 No . 1607.31 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1607.18 1611.45 1607.18 1611.45 I I didn't use it . I wrote things down but I didn't import it into my laptop . 1608.26 1611.45 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1610.12 1613.272 1610.12 1613.272 I used it uh just to check it out , but uh 1612.05 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1612.82 1613.23 1612.82 1613.23 Yeah . 1613.23 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1612.827 1616.0 1612.827 1616.0 That's the - TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1613.72 1620.3 1613.72 1620.3 You you can't send that to anyone , because you you've scrabbled something on a page for yourself , and then you're going to send it , yeah . Well , no . 1615.36 1618.13 1619.06 1619.25 1619.98 1620.3 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1615.11 1617.81 1615.11 1617.81 Yeah . It isn't practical . Right . 1615.7 1617.43 1617.81 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1620.33 1629.152 1620.33 1629.152 W But also y you write things down . And i you can also bring your your your note block . So what's the what's the th what's the point of importing it into 1622.17 1625.34 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1624.43 1625.9 1624.43 1625.9 Your notepad . Yeah . 1625.62 1625.9 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1626.63 1628.16 1626.63 1628.16 It's , no , it it's useless . 1626.93 1627.11 1628.16 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1628.35 1636.78 1628.35 1636.78 Well I I drew this . Mm . And I made a mistake . But it it would have been uh useful , if I I could show this on the screen . 1631.64 1632.16 1633.01 1635.15 1636.78 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1635.28 1635.81 1635.28 1635.81 Yes . 1635.81 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1636.462 1640.88 1636.462 1640.88 Yeah alright . For drawings , but not for personal notes . I think that's not very 1637.5 1638.38 1639.69 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1637.48 1638.83 1637.48 1638.83 For drawings , yes . 1638.39 1638.83 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1638.42 1639.32 1638.42 1639.32 Yeah for drawings . 1639.32 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1640.402 1642.36 1640.402 1642.36 N notes mm . 1642.36 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1643.33 1650.881 1643.33 1650.881 Uh I mean you can bring your paperwork along and p Well of course if you have a lot of paper If you've If you've - TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1647.04 1647.691 1647.04 1647.691 But - TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1647.11 1649.82 1647.11 1649.82 Yeah , it might be useful for drawings . I I agree on that . 1647.38 1648.9 1649.82 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1649.31 1649.8 1649.31 1649.8 Mm . 1649.8 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1650.04 1669.952 1650.04 1669.952 But for notes , it i you you have to put that in a strict Uh you have to put a name , standard date , and all those things . And notes uh for a meeting are very strict . So if you uh were to write them down for yourself , and then put that in your computer , you still have to type it over to Word . So it doesn't d doesn't have any 1651.05 1655.33 1656.13 1657.31 1660.38 1663.64 1665.59 1667.41 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1667.3 1667.85 1667.3 1667.85 Yeah , right . 1667.52 1667.85 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1669.71 1670.68 1669.71 1670.68 That Stefan use . 1670.68 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1670.04 1679.95 1670.04 1679.95 Yeah I understand . But I think uh d this option is only useful if you've got a lot of paperwork . You can't It's not very uh ni Yeah well a lot of documents are Yeah . 1670.82 1675.46 1679.95 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1677.55 1682.05 1677.55 1682.05 No , I don't think so . It's it's only useful if you have to draw something . 1677.74 1679.07 1682.05 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1681.26 1681.74 1681.26 1681.74 Yeah . 1681.74 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1682.72 1684.96 1682.72 1684.96 But then uh it's really useful , I think . 1684.57 1684.96 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1685.15 1685.46 1685.15 1685.46 Yeah . 1685.46 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1685.67 1690.04 1685.67 1690.04 Yep . Alright . Um etcetera ? Well uh the laptops ? 1686.49 1687.35 1688.83 1690.04 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1687.3 1688.15 1687.3 1688.15 Mu Yeah right . 1688.15 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1690.7 1693.825 1690.7 1693.825 Yeah , great . Yeah . 1690.98 1692.03 1693.74 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1691.11 1691.91 1691.11 1691.91 Of course great . 1691.91 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1691.34 1692.54 1691.34 1692.54 Yeah . Hmm . 1692.04 1692.54 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1692.11 1693.89 1692.11 1693.89 Can we keep them ? Uh . 1693.79 1693.89 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1693.24 1696.22 1693.24 1696.22 Yeah . You can . B by my 1693.83 1694.79 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1695.11 1696.72 1695.11 1696.72 Wireless uh wireless things . 1696.72 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1696.02 1698.321 1696.02 1698.321 Thanks Project Manager . 1698.03 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1696.896 1706.189 1696.896 1706.189 Yeah . Other uh things we used here ? I hated the cameras , I hated the microphones . But No 1698.24 1700.28 1701.28 1703.1 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1702.95 1706.21 1702.95 1706.21 Well these chairs , man . Really great . 1703.64 1705.16 1706.21 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1703.52 1705.356 1703.52 1705.356 Well did you really uh - TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1706.02 1711.801 1706.02 1711.801 Did you really take uh take those in account ? I half of time I didn't notice they were there . So 1708.45 1711.29 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1709.11 1715.391 1709.11 1715.391 No . No . I haven't looked w one time directly at the camera . I don't care about it . 1710.24 1711.23 1713.92 1715.05 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1714.154 1719.59 1714.154 1719.59 But we shouldn't talk about that . Because this is a realistic environment . 1716.87 1719.59 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1714.96 1715.7 1714.96 1715.7 Well I did . 1715.7 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1718.02 1731.84 1718.02 1731.84 Well w why not ? Uh etcetera We N new ideas found ? What kind of ideas for n a future schedule What ? For future um meetings you have got ? 1718.9 1724.0 1729.15 1731.84 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1721.097 1724.606 1721.097 1724.606 Right . Okay . 1722.6 1724.48 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1730.63 1733.44 1730.63 1733.44 Well I missed uh the option to uh - TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1733.98 1737.44 1733.98 1737.44 Communicate in between . Yeah , right . Yeah . 1735.78 1736.09 1737.08 1737.44 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1734.58 1737.44 1734.58 1737.44 to email , yeah . Email or chat or something . 1735.18 1735.76 1737.44 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1736.061 1740.304 1736.061 1740.304 But yeah . W well th that's just the the environment they set us up f with . So 1736.89 1739.96 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1736.1 1737.51 1736.1 1737.51 Chatting and emailing . 1737.51 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1740.23 1743.917 1740.23 1743.917 Yeah alright , but that's one n new idea . 1740.85 1743.82 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1743.39 1744.4 1743.39 1744.4 Yeah , I agree . 1743.96 1744.4 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1744.11 1745.91 1744.11 1745.91 Well , new ideas found by this . 1744.37 1745.91 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1751.69 1756.67 1751.69 1756.67 Not . Nothing . We don't want this . We hate this . 1752.69 1754.03 1755.8 1756.67 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1753.17 1755.98 1753.17 1755.98 Well , more more information in the beginning . 1754.06 1755.98 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1756.28 1756.69 1756.28 1756.69 Yeah . 1756.69 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1757.11 1757.95 1757.11 1757.95 That's - TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1758.05 1761.98 1758.05 1761.98 Digital pen is useless . So Yeah , for drawings . 1759.99 1761.24 1761.98 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1759.77 1760.51 1759.77 1760.51 No it isn't . 1760.51 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1761.05 1762.62 1761.05 1762.62 Well , for drawing for drawings . Yeah . 1761.39 1762.38 1762.62 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1761.801 1762.63 1761.801 1762.63 Yeah . 1762.63 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1764.1 1765.52 1764.1 1765.52 So it isn't useless . 1765.52 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1764.96 1775.76 1764.96 1775.76 But uh two t But uh th then you have to have a lot of drawings , because if I had a company and I'm going to uh buy those expensive huge expensive uh things , I and I have to w 1768.01 1774.1 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1768.24 1769.079 1768.24 1769.079 Well - TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1777.02 1780.512 1777.02 1780.512 pay those uh papers uh that are expensive , I'm not going to uh 1779.44 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1780.56 1784.99 1780.56 1784.99 For people who uh sketch th the whole day , I can imagine that it's useful . 1783.44 1784.99 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1780.74 1781.228 1780.74 1781.228 No - TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1783.6 1784.35 1783.6 1784.35 Yeah . 1784.35 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1783.926 1796.33 1783.926 1796.33 Well th then still they they they should have a a nice graphics programme on the laptop . Because this is huge uh this v very very uh expensive paper . 1790.92 1796.33 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1785.03 1787.264 1785.03 1787.264 But it's still an expensive uh expensive - TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1792.68 1795.923 1792.68 1795.923 Well - TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1793.79 1798.75 1793.79 1798.75 Well you you can't you can't draw on a laptop like you like you paint of or draw with your hand . 1798.75 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1798.81 1799.52 1798.81 1799.52 Yeah , I agree . 1799.02 1799.52 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1800.6 1803.23 1800.6 1803.23 With the mouse it is No . 1803.07 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1800.68 1801.57 1800.68 1801.57 But if w Yeah . 1801.57 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1803.13 1803.41 1803.13 1803.41 Yeah . 1803.41 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1804.07 1805.142 1804.07 1805.142 Well and if - TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1804.36 1806.8 1804.36 1806.8 Mouse is ju just isn't working if you're sketching . 1806.8 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1806.75 1807.34 1806.75 1807.34 Uh indeed . 1807.34 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1807.65 1820.71 1807.65 1820.71 And but what if uh maybe this this board uh SMARTboard is malfunctioning or someone . But suppose it was working correctly , what uh would it be useful then , if it wasn't off all the time ? A 1813.86 1816.01 1817.87 1820.29 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1819.59 1823.51 1819.59 1823.51 Well no . I hated to draw like that . You you can't draw anything uh neat . 1820.19 1821.74 1823.51 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1822.2 1822.77 1822.2 1822.77 Really ? 1822.77 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1824.45 1832.028 1824.45 1832.028 Yeah , but he's saying if it is correct , and you can draw very , yeah , very precise 1824.65 1827.57 1829.93 1830.85 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1828.8 1832.0 1828.8 1832.0 Anything you want . Any b b Yeah . L li li 1829.48 1830.87 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1830.84 1833.55 1830.84 1833.55 I if it if it would be perfect following . 1833.55 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1833.52 1833.82 1833.52 1833.82 Yeah . 1833.82 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1834.704 1845.17 1834.704 1845.17 Well th th then still it's it's it's very expensive uh towards a a just a green uh school board . 1845.17 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1835.52 1837.92 1835.52 1837.92 Well it isn't , but maybe that thing is uh is 1836.21 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1836.162 1836.95 1836.162 1836.95 Yeah , mu 1836.83 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1842.8 1844.45 1842.8 1844.45 Yeah , board , a school board , yeah . 1843.34 1843.67 1844.29 1844.45 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1843.58 1849.971 1843.58 1849.971 Yeah , but but then you can uh save it in instantly , and and and re-use it , and uh 1843.84 1846.86 1848.96 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1847.01 1850.25 1847.01 1850.25 Yeah . I it has It is useful . Yeah . 1847.94 1849.64 1850.25 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1847.86 1848.23 1847.86 1848.23 Yep . 1848.23 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1848.29 1849.32 1848.29 1849.32 It saves time . 1849.32 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1849.78 1850.59 1849.78 1850.59 Yeah yeah . 1850.59 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1851.03 1860.67 1851.03 1860.67 This uh if it works correct , maybe this thing this thing is just malfunctioning . So uh if we get in uh if we get another one and you make sure it does work , I think then it's pretty useful . 1852.34 1854.59 1858.91 1860.67 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1858.66 1858.98 1858.66 1858.98 Yep . 1858.98 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1861.61 1861.85 1861.61 1861.85 Yeah . 1861.85 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1862.88 1871.42 1862.88 1871.42 Because uh yeah you can draw t things quickly and uh clearly for anyone uh in the discussion room . And then you can save it immediately . 1870.19 1871.42 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1872.2 1873.73 1872.2 1873.73 Well , they are now . 1873.08 1873.73 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1874.26 1874.51 1874.26 1874.51 Hmm . 1874.51 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1875.27 1875.94 1875.27 1875.94 Celebration . 1875.94 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1877.12 1884.839 1877.12 1884.839 It is . So , congratulations crew . Se 1878.59 1879.88 1883.55 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1879.51 1880.19 1879.51 1880.19 Did you type that ? 1880.19 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1880.09 1880.62 1880.09 1880.62 Hmm . 1880.62 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1881.82 1883.45 1881.82 1883.45 Celebration . 1883.34 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1884.47 1884.962 1884.47 1884.962 Well - TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1884.86 1890.576 1884.86 1890.576 Yeah , we can go to the bar and uh with our newly earned money . 1885.08 1890.33 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1886.416 1897.977 1886.416 1897.977 Finally my beer . Well , that's it I think . Um I don't know how long we still have . I dunno how long uh we had for this last meeting . But uh 1891.07 1891.53 1892.47 1894.12 1897.35 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1891.516 1892.53 1891.516 1892.53 Yeah . 1892.53 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1897.85 1900.34 1897.85 1900.34 Maybe till four o'clock or something ? Well dunno . Yeah . 1899.45 1900.12 1900.34 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1900.35 1906.19 1900.35 1906.19 Well yeah , it is a bit uh Well we still have to make the end report and uh all those things . I have to do that . 1900.77 1905.44 1906.19 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1906.23 1909.394 1906.23 1909.394 Yeah . You better get started . 1907.41 1909.33 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1907.56 1913.79 1907.56 1913.79 I Di did you um save this one in the folder ? Can you do that ? 1913.07 1913.79 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1909.99 1910.43 1909.99 1910.43 Oh . 1910.43 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1912.73 1914.64 1912.73 1914.64 No . No no no no . 1913.28 1914.64 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1914.11 1917.56 1914.11 1917.56 No we must save this thing , yeah . In the shared map map . 1915.26 1915.96 1917.56 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1918.26 1922.208 1918.26 1922.208 But Nils you've got some work left . 1921.89 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1922.17 1923.14 1922.17 1923.14 I don't know what you have to do . 1923.14 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1922.72 1925.12 1922.72 1925.12 Map , is it a good word ? The folder , yeah . 1923.01 1923.7 1924.74 1925.12 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1923.79 1924.19 1923.79 1924.19 Huh . 1924.19 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1927.3 1931.456 1927.3 1931.456 I have to go to a physiotherapy . 1931.01 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1929.03 1929.35 1929.03 1929.35 Yeah . 1929.35 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1931.79 1935.024 1931.79 1935.024 Oh it worked . Two times quick . Cool . 1932.82 1934.0 1934.87 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1932.98 1934.775 1932.98 1934.775 Wow . 1934.52 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1933.43 1935.28 1933.43 1935.28 Oh , alright . 1933.89 1934.97 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1935.3 1937.786 1935.3 1937.786 So it is useful , yeah . No but uh 1936.11 1936.95 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1936.05 1937.7 1936.05 1937.7 Yeah . It is handy . 1936.7 1937.7 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1936.84 1937.88 1936.84 1937.88 Oh great , man . 1937.43 1937.88 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1937.249 1939.82 1937.249 1939.82 This is nice . 1939.82 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1938.84 1941.53 1938.84 1941.53 I'm gonna buy one buy one for my bedroom . 1941.53 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1940.01 1942.99 1940.01 1942.99 Radical . Yeah . 1942.55 1942.99 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1942.23 1942.744 1942.23 1942.744 Uh - TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1945.13 1946.53 1945.13 1946.53 D design . 1946.53 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1948.38 1949.76 1948.38 1949.76 Do you believe it yourself ? 1949.76 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1949.25 1953.712 1949.25 1953.712 S Oh . He saved them all ten . Well alright . Um 1950.3 1951.78 1953.28 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1953.76 1957.086 1953.76 1957.086 Well they they wanted everything we produced , so 1956.01 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1956.18 1959.012 1956.18 1959.012 They also want to see my cat and his rabbit , and uh 1958.22 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1956.2 1956.51 1956.2 1956.51 Yeah . 1956.51 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1957.68 1961.622 1957.68 1961.622 My big bird . 1961.48 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1959.0 1959.446 1959.0 1959.446 Well - TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1960.69 1962.23 1960.69 1962.23 Your big beautiful bird . 1962.23 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1968.54 1969.74 1968.54 1969.74 Where is this ? 1969.74 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1971.712 1979.272 1971.712 1979.272 Maybe the pen is just uh uh broken and the board isn't . Of or the other way around uh 1977.8 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1980.3 1981.33 1980.3 1981.33 Maybe you are broken . 1981.33 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1982.22 1984.07 1982.22 1984.07 Yeah I think so too . 1984.07 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1984.22 1984.62 1984.22 1984.62 You know . 1984.62 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 1984.3 1988.253 1984.3 1988.253 I think you have we have to make clear to her that we are ready . 1988.02 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 1987.76 1996.127 1987.76 1996.127 I think she's listening . 1995.97 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1988.8 1996.09 1988.8 1996.09 I also think so . She already knows . She ? Big brother . 1991.99 1994.14 1995.27 1996.09 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 1990.413 1998.41 1990.413 1998.41 Who is she you're talking about ? Oh you mean our uh coach , our f personal coach . 1994.04 1996.89 1998.41 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 1999.17 1999.81 1999.17 1999.81 Our manager . 1999.81 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 2002.39 2003.66 2002.39 2003.66 Is she also our accountant ? 2003.66 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 2004.608 2008.37 2004.608 2008.37 Yeah . I don't think so . 2007.49 2008.37 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 2005.02 2008.79 2005.02 2008.79 Is she responsible for sending that information so late ? Oh . 2008.53 2008.79 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 2009.89 2010.58 2009.89 2010.58 Close your laptop . 2010.58 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 2010.1 2011.944 2010.1 2011.944 Because then we have to confront her with our - TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 2012.23 2013.52 2012.23 2013.52 So she can see we're ready . 2013.52 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 2013.69 2017.484 2013.69 2017.484 I feel watched . 2017.38 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 2015.264 2017.3 2015.264 2017.3 Alright . 2017.3 TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 2020.1 2023.71 2020.1 2023.71 Yeah . Let's take this remote into uh production . 2021.56 2023.71 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 2020.52 2041.024 2020.52 2041.024 We put the fashion in electronics , but we couldn't because of the costs . That that's the title of our uh end document . We couldn't put the fashion into the electronics . Yeah , that's a nice title . 2022.94 2025.24 2028.98 2035.04 2035.84 2040.94 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 2024.528 2030.855 2024.528 2030.855 Yeah . That that's our new slogan . Yeah , I like that . 2026.0 2028.19 2028.94 2030.12 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 2024.786 2032.729 2024.786 2032.729 Yeah . 2031.98 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 2032.01 2033.31 2032.01 2033.31 Blame our accountants . 2033.31 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 2034.17 2034.91 2034.17 2034.91 Do that . 2034.91 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 2036.84 2037.12 2036.84 2037.12 Yeah . 2037.12 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 2037.536 2040.272 2037.536 2040.272 But we couldn't , yeah . 2039.77 2040.14 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 2040.47 2041.584 2040.47 2041.584 Very catching . 2041.43 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 2044.12 2044.31 2044.12 2044.31 Oh . 2044.31 TS3009d C MTD034ID 2 2044.2 2045.38 2044.2 2045.38 Well I th Yeah . 2045.38 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 2044.71 2048.529 2044.71 2048.529 I'm sure management would like that . 2048.41 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 2046.208 2047.856 2046.208 2047.856 Well - TS3009d B MTD035UID 1 2047.67 2048.57 2047.67 2048.57 She's on the move . 2048.57 TS3009d A MTD033PM 0 2048.87 2053.056 2048.87 2053.056 I'm going to resign after this project anyway , so 2051.25 TS3009d D MTD036ME 3 2051.616 2054.0 2051.616 2054.0 Oh , that's just great . 2053.15 2054.0 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 40.744 60.085 41.01 60.02 So welcome . The first kick-off meeting . What shall we do ? First the opening , then the rest . What are we going to do . We m have to make a new remote control . It has to be original , trendy and user-friendly . 42.5 45.36 46.07 49.09 52.06 53.01 55.84 58.0 60.02 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 60.085 76.478 60.42 75.92 So we will get back th on that . First we have to make a functional design . After that we have to make a conceptual design , and then after that a detailed design . So we'll discuss that later . 64.58 68.16 70.91 74.13 75.92 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 76.478 104.279 77.41 103.92 First we have a look at . So first to we have to make a small painting . What have do we have to do . First you can save the documents . We have to do that every time we make something . You can print it . No . And we have to use the pen and the eraser . 79.54 86.23 89.61 93.43 96.8 98.73 100.32 103.92 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 104.279 122.944 105.04 122.8 So Now . We all have to use this one . You have to make your own favourite animal . So I'll make an example . First don't touch that things . 107.73 110.09 113.45 118.89 122.8 TS3010a D MTD040ME 3 116.983 117.687 117.21 117.3 Yep . 117.3 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 123.968 134.145 123.968 134.04 You can use the pen . And then you can make um 129.72 TS3010a C MTD038ID 2 130.912 138.848 130.912 138.7 Nice . 138.7 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 135.264 136.123 135.33 136.06 something . 136.06 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 139.488 145.984 139.58 145.78 Um you can change some things . Um format , 143.89 145.78 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 148.056 150.235 148.18 150.07 line , and 149.43 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 152.176 154.857 152.2 154.857 change it . 154.7 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 157.792 161.952 157.792 161.8 And you can change the - TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 162.902 163.874 163.08 163.73 colour . 163.73 TS3010a C MTD038ID 2 168.096 174.0 168.14 174.0 An elephant . 173.82 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 169.36 172.816 169.36 172.816 So that's it . 172.64 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 176.192 176.98 176.48 176.98 So - TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 184.176 195.216 184.33 195.14 So and after it you have to save it . Now we can make a new one . You have to paint now . So you're next . 187.66 191.88 193.56 195.14 TS3010a D MTD040ME 3 187.52 188.022 187.54 187.78 Okay . 187.78 TS3010a D MTD040ME 3 193.088 194.192 193.34 194.192 Oh . 193.76 TS3010a C MTD038ID 2 195.158 196.364 195.43 196.17 'Kay . 196.17 TS3010a D MTD040ME 3 195.408 197.114 195.49 196.74 Well we will try . 196.74 TS3010a D MTD040ME 3 200.869 202.0 200.97 201.86 Where it going ? 201.86 TS3010a C MTD038ID 2 207.664 208.669 207.664 208.669 . 208.669 TS3010a B MTD039UID 1 211.92 212.573 211.95 212.16 Hmm . 212.16 TS3010a B MTD039UID 1 214.953 216.427 215.02 216.427 That's uh strange . 216.27 TS3010a C MTD038ID 2 216.304 217.049 216.304 217.049 . 217.049 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 217.504 219.28 217.73 218.96 What is going on ? 218.96 TS3010a C MTD038ID 2 220.608 222.01 220.608 221.81 pop-ups . 221.81 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 222.833 224.107 222.89 224.04 What are you What ? 224.04 TS3010a D MTD040ME 3 222.899 223.638 223.06 223.33 Hmm . 223.33 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 228.823 229.594 228.823 229.594 . 229.594 TS3010a C MTD038ID 2 233.008 234.37 233.06 234.19 What is this , Pictionary . 233.41 234.19 TS3010a D MTD040ME 3 238.432 239.648 238.65 239.648 Uh - TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 239.968 240.8 239.99 240.8 Um - TS3010a C MTD038ID 2 241.584 243.252 241.8 243.14 Uh a bird . 243.14 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 242.56 244.811 242.59 244.811 Is a It is a It is a - TS3010a C MTD038ID 2 244.208 244.928 244.39 244.76 Bird . 244.76 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 245.968 246.912 246.27 246.71 A duck . 246.71 TS3010a D MTD040ME 3 251.68 252.262 251.72 252.1 Mm . 252.1 TS3010a D MTD040ME 3 255.458 255.943 255.57 255.943 So - TS3010a D MTD040ME 3 256.754 257.893 256.94 257.52 Now save ? 257.52 TS3010a C MTD038ID 2 258.918 259.622 259.02 259.58 Yeah . 259.58 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 259.336 260.107 259.46 259.83 Yes . 259.83 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 263.333 263.556 263.35 263.46 Hmm . 263.46 TS3010a D MTD040ME 3 265.232 266.575 265.26 266.2 Now uh blank ? 266.2 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 266.624 267.36 266.66 267.24 Blank , yes . 267.03 267.24 TS3010a B MTD039UID 1 267.191 267.928 267.31 267.54 Yeah . 267.54 TS3010a D MTD040ME 3 270.706 271.41 270.98 271.12 Yeah . 271.12 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 272.976 277.183 273.06 277.183 Okay next one . 277.08 TS3010a B MTD039UID 1 275.349 279.888 275.43 279.888 Okay . Let's try this . Uh 276.47 279.12 TS3010a C MTD038ID 2 275.651 277.655 275.651 277.61 Whoo . 277.61 TS3010a D MTD040ME 3 284.629 285.254 284.75 285.0 Yeah , yeah . 284.91 285.0 TS3010a B MTD039UID 1 293.651 295.968 293.651 295.91 Um . Mm-hmm . 295.27 295.91 TS3010a B MTD039UID 1 298.112 298.545 298.15 298.36 Mm . 298.36 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 306.911 309.525 306.911 309.525 Oh . 309.44 TS3010a C MTD038ID 2 306.957 310.56 307.03 310.56 Oh not . Oh . 308.16 310.51 TS3010a C MTD038ID 2 312.64 317.872 312.69 317.84 Okay . Okay . Yeah . No problem . 315.32 315.86 317.2 317.84 TS3010a C MTD038ID 2 321.566 325.417 321.66 325.417 Shit happens . 325.24 TS3010a D MTD040ME 3 323.071 327.264 323.071 327.21 I'm not getting anything uh on my screen now . 327.21 TS3010a D MTD040ME 3 334.096 334.576 334.13 334.4 Okay . 334.4 TS3010a C MTD038ID 2 341.2 344.224 341.22 344.06 A parrot . Ish . 343.18 344.06 TS3010a D MTD040ME 3 343.008 343.598 343.06 343.41 Wow . 343.41 TS3010a D MTD040ME 3 350.56 351.024 350.7 350.86 Oh . 350.86 TS3010a C MTD038ID 2 357.344 358.531 357.37 358.27 He did it before . 358.27 TS3010a B MTD039UID 1 366.928 367.821 367.13 367.821 Uh - TS3010a B MTD039UID 1 397.344 399.872 397.37 399.8 No , no . Yeah . Okay . 397.66 397.87 399.0 399.8 TS3010a D MTD040ME 3 400.416 402.288 400.416 402.2 Nice . 402.2 TS3010a C MTD038ID 2 402.103 402.874 402.23 402.52 Oh . 402.52 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 402.377 404.053 402.55 403.97 Very good . 403.97 TS3010a B MTD039UID 1 403.44 404.734 403.58 404.56 Uh blank . 404.56 TS3010a C MTD038ID 2 408.096 409.205 408.14 408.8 Thank you . 408.8 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 546.175 554.896 546.4 554.896 Okay . Very good . So um you can always go back . So 547.39 548.87 554.29 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 557.879 575.949 558.0 575.68 That's it . So that was two . Now next . The budget . The b Uh we will sell the t at twenty five Euros . And we have only twenty of twelve and a half Euro to make it . 559.55 561.48 563.22 564.25 570.42 575.68 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 575.949 593.2 576.27 593.2 So now we have to think about what we will make . First I wanna hear from you . Uh what are your experiences with remote controls . So 582.4 585.91 592.57 TS3010a C MTD038ID 2 593.216 616.448 593.28 616.41 Uh I will start . Uh Big one , they are uh not easy to use . Um I have one set and uh a remote control , when I dropped it , uh it broke . So that won't be uh our goal , I think . And uh g big buttons , m uh that's easier to use than uh I think . 594.14 596.45 599.62 603.26 604.19 605.16 607.73 609.74 613.17 616.41 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 593.727 595.101 593.99 594.93 F first . 594.93 TS3010a B MTD039UID 1 608.56 609.08 608.75 609.0 No . 609.0 TS3010a C MTD038ID 2 617.664 619.344 617.69 619.344 Not all the small buttons , you don't know 618.65 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 618.601 621.808 618.76 621.75 Is this positive or negative , that uh big buttons ? 620.3 621.75 TS3010a C MTD038ID 2 622.176 630.832 622.26 630.73 Big buttons , positive . All all small buttons like when you have uh like a hundred buttons on your remote control , you won't know what they're working for . 622.86 624.06 628.49 630.73 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 623.428 624.144 623.55 624.08 Positive . 624.08 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 630.976 633.718 631.01 633.67 Okay . What are your experiences ? 632.37 633.67 TS3010a B MTD039UID 1 634.168 644.424 634.48 644.15 Uh well I think the the the goal of a remote control is that it's it it has an influence on the T_V_ set . And that it controls the channels and the the volume . 641.18 644.15 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 641.16 641.931 641.32 641.74 Mm . 641.74 TS3010a B MTD039UID 1 644.424 664.336 644.87 664.26 And uh I I I think it's positive if there's a a LED uh uh a LED on the corner of the of the remote . So that you know it s it still has batteries on it in it . And that if you push the button the LED uh gives a light , and uh and you see that it's working . 654.79 658.72 662.24 664.26 TS3010a B MTD039UID 1 665.616 667.104 665.64 667.104 And uh yeah . Uh 666.68 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 669.232 672.48 669.35 672.42 So and do they always have that ? 672.42 TS3010a B MTD039UID 1 669.491 670.199 669.57 670.199 Yeah , but 669.78 TS3010a B MTD039UID 1 672.752 678.896 672.93 678.86 No no no . But I my my experience is that it it it's convenient to have that . Yeah . Yeah . 673.35 677.77 678.69 678.86 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 676.455 679.003 676.55 678.83 It's easy to you . Okay . 678.29 678.83 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 680.21 680.88 680.32 680.7 'Kay . 680.7 TS3010a D MTD040ME 3 682.224 697.265 682.28 697.23 Uh at home we have a T_V_ , a video uh recorder , a D_V_D_ player , and a satellite receiver . We have uh four distinctive remote controls for that . That's not really ea easy . So it would be nice if we have one for all . 683.96 685.92 686.84 688.72 692.37 695.06 697.23 TS3010a C MTD038ID 2 690.714 692.416 690.714 692.14 Thank you . 692.14 TS3010a C MTD038ID 2 694.588 697.973 694.61 697.66 Help also . Thank you . 697.2 697.66 TS3010a D MTD040ME 3 697.265 712.618 697.68 712.38 And we also had a remote control for our radio set . But um i it it had a lot of buttons on it , and you didn't know which one was what . And it was uh uh v not easy to use . So we n barely used it . 701.27 706.18 708.11 710.95 712.38 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 712.88 732.976 712.9 732.976 Okay so they have too much . So next . For our own remote control we have to think how do we make it . So what ideas do you have for it , for the new remote control ? What what does it have to have ? 715.21 716.44 721.51 726.1 728.92 732.79 TS3010a B MTD039UID 1 715.489 716.048 715.61 715.97 Hmm . 715.97 TS3010a C MTD038ID 2 733.376 735.674 733.5 735.46 The weight . Not not too heavy . 733.97 735.46 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 735.488 736.572 735.52 736.14 Not too heavy . 736.14 TS3010a C MTD038ID 2 742.32 744.608 742.34 744.3 Not much buttons . 744.3 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 742.27 743.175 742.38 743.01 Yes . 743.01 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 754.72 755.343 754.76 755.07 Yeah . 755.07 TS3010a C MTD038ID 2 755.136 762.128 755.16 762.09 Bust-free . That when you drop it , it won't break . Like uh some kind of rubber on it . Or hard uh hard plastic . 756.0 757.22 758.17 760.15 762.09 TS3010a C MTD038ID 2 764.254 766.131 764.56 765.73 Uh buttons not too small . 765.73 TS3010a C MTD038ID 2 774.976 790.88 775.25 790.85 Uh something like when you uh lose your uh remote control , sometimes it happen . Uh it between the couch and you can't find it . When you push a but a button on the T_V_ , then you hear some uh some sort of bleep . And then you uh , hey there there's remote control . 779.21 780.88 782.85 785.67 788.58 789.37 790.85 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 780.39 780.96 780.5 780.85 Yes . 780.85 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 788.336 789.327 788.37 789.16 Like a phone . 789.16 TS3010a D MTD040ME 3 791.429 791.876 791.47 791.78 Yeah . 791.78 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 791.405 792.243 791.53 792.1 Okay . 792.1 TS3010a B MTD039UID 1 794.24 795.504 794.24 795.46 Yeah . 795.46 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 804.128 807.293 804.17 807.16 So , that's . 806.27 807.16 TS3010a C MTD038ID 2 805.216 806.141 805.28 805.8 Next . 805.8 TS3010a B MTD039UID 1 807.664 809.952 807.68 809.952 Yeah well that's that are good ideas . Uh 809.43 TS3010a B MTD039UID 1 811.392 817.344 811.41 817.344 Yeah well the LED on the corner , that that indicates that it's working . If you push a button . Um 812.77 814.56 816.6 TS3010a B MTD039UID 1 823.936 824.775 824.06 824.65 Yeah . 824.65 TS3010a B MTD039UID 1 829.936 835.504 829.97 835.504 And looking on the budget , not too expensive uh material . So probably plastic or something . Uh 831.14 832.93 835.39 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 835.536 836.263 835.64 836.08 Okay . 836.08 TS3010a D MTD040ME 3 844.559 849.956 844.74 849.8 Yeah I think it uh from a marketing point of view , it also has to look nice . Or you won't sell it . 847.13 848.99 849.8 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 851.696 852.327 851.77 852.15 Yes . 852.15 TS3010a D MTD040ME 3 852.72 863.744 852.74 863.64 And um yeah uh on our website we can see what products we already have . And it should work with as many uh as possible of them . 860.63 863.64 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 864.576 871.332 864.71 871.28 Okay . This is It has to be compatible with other things . Okay . 866.13 870.78 871.28 TS3010a D MTD040ME 3 869.984 870.737 870.0 870.29 Yes . 870.29 TS3010a C MTD038ID 2 875.216 878.363 875.24 878.16 I have one more idea . Just popped up . 877.18 878.16 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 879.584 880.089 879.6 879.92 Yes ? 879.92 TS3010a C MTD038ID 2 880.32 887.952 880.34 887.56 Uh it it won't take a lot of batteries . So you don't won't have to change the batteries uh once a week or uh once every two weeks . 883.12 887.56 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 888.256 889.776 888.28 889.42 No battery use . 889.42 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 894.064 896.561 894.31 896.37 So more ideas ? 896.37 TS3010a B MTD039UID 1 897.744 898.864 897.8 898.66 Mm no . 898.66 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 899.12 913.936 899.45 913.936 No okay . It's only the first ideas . So uh what are we going to do now is Next meeting is in half an h hour . Uh 900.0 902.06 913.25 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 919.872 924.816 919.89 924.64 Okay . Next meeting , half an hour . Um , what you have to do . 920.52 921.38 922.57 923.87 924.64 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 926.576 930.656 926.6 930.656 Well look on your . And 929.86 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 932.56 936.756 932.58 936.756 Next instructions you'll get in your email . So 936.05 TS3010a A MTD037PM 0 938.624 942.957 938.76 942.79 This is the first meeting . See you later in half an hour . 940.27 942.79 TS3010a B MTD039UID 1 943.479 944.283 943.72 944.19 Yes . 944.19 TS3010a C MTD038ID 2 943.709 945.1 943.83 945.04 Okay . Thank you . 944.52 945.04 TS3010a D MTD040ME 3 943.902 944.874 944.05 944.73 Okay . 944.73 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 107.146 114.689 107.17 114.53 Okay . So welcome back . What do do we have to do ? 109.11 113.03 114.53 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 118.769 119.581 118.769 119.581 . 119.581 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 120.704 132.128 120.72 131.93 So first . I want to say I'm the secretary , so I make the minutes . You find them in your in the map in the 123.22 124.97 127.41 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 133.904 140.566 133.93 140.46 From the group . There's the minutes from the first meeting . You'll find the next minutes also there . 135.17 137.34 140.46 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 142.4 144.254 142.44 144.254 Then - TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 145.129 147.84 145.27 147.74 I wanna hear from you , what you've done . 146.73 147.74 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 149.28 172.944 149.3 172.944 And after that I have some new product requirements . So And after that we have to make decisions , what we will do . And then we're ready . We have forty minutes for this meeting . After that we'll have lunch . So first I wanna ask the 152.63 157.3 159.48 161.06 165.28 167.62 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 174.611 183.371 174.611 183.371 Industrial Designer to tell what he did . So 182.51 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 181.789 186.096 181.83 186.096 That's my task . Okay . Uh I've 183.47 185.02 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 188.176 192.768 188.21 192.55 Where have I put it ? My Documents or not ? 191.09 192.55 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 200.896 201.712 200.93 201.63 Hmm . 201.63 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 205.44 209.2 205.46 208.92 I've save it on my computer , my presentation . 207.98 208.92 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 209.831 211.556 209.96 211.556 Yeah on your computer , or the 211.04 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 211.608 212.826 211.77 212.5 But where ? 212.5 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 213.619 214.992 213.82 214.53 What's the name ? 214.53 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 216.336 218.368 216.49 218.368 Uh uh uh - TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 221.5 223.326 221.66 222.96 What's the name of it ? 222.96 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 225.968 230.816 225.99 230.72 It was about the working of the remote control . 230.72 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 231.552 235.017 231.57 234.94 It's the technical function or the functional requirements . 234.94 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 235.626 236.742 235.81 236.66 Nope . 236.66 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 241.312 242.729 241.42 242.729 Not a of - TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 249.051 249.35 249.07 249.2 Wait . 249.2 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 253.6 257.04 253.65 256.81 The working design . But I've saved it . 254.84 256.81 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 255.509 256.896 255.66 256.68 Working design . 256.68 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 260.354 263.76 260.79 263.5 But now I don't know where it is . 263.5 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 271.296 272.176 271.32 272.05 Hmm . 272.05 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 272.272 276.377 272.55 276.1 Working design . What is this ? Product documents . 274.44 274.99 276.1 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 277.151 277.895 277.29 277.72 Yeah . 277.72 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 280.896 283.577 281.22 283.577 And I import this until - TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 283.68 288.464 283.7 288.28 On the desktop . 288.28 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 291.664 292.32 291.73 292.06 Up . 292.06 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 293.968 294.944 293.968 294.84 up . 294.84 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 295.696 296.531 295.78 296.37 One more . 296.37 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 295.959 298.394 296.18 298.22 Up . Up . 297.79 298.22 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 299.476 303.129 299.6 302.76 Up . Yes . My Documents . 301.15 302.07 302.76 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 306.432 307.518 306.49 307.21 Nope . 307.21 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 307.376 309.879 307.9 309.68 What the fuck is this ? 309.68 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 308.928 318.008 308.95 317.9 Gone . Well you Um Nah . Nah , nah , nah . 313.28 316.32 316.49 316.91 317.9 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 319.552 322.096 320.02 321.99 PowerPoint . Working design . 321.09 321.99 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 321.84 323.552 322.12 323.5 Yeah that's the empty one . 323.5 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 324.992 327.101 324.992 327.101 And - TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 328.032 329.259 328.05 328.95 I had one . 328.95 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 328.759 330.078 328.9 329.73 Presentation - TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 331.802 333.054 331.91 332.9 of working design . 332.9 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 331.784 332.562 331.93 332.36 Uh-huh . 332.36 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 334.56 335.606 334.64 335.43 Open it . 335.43 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 336.528 338.016 336.56 337.75 Okay here it is . 337.75 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 338.256 341.248 338.37 341.2 Save as . 341.2 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 344.32 345.658 344.54 345.658 Uh it's - TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 345.072 345.76 345.09 345.68 Desktop . 345.68 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 348.64 349.344 348.66 349.2 Project . 349.2 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 348.526 349.92 348.75 349.85 Project . 349.85 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 349.208 355.199 349.31 355.03 Yeah . Okay . Well . 351.34 354.76 355.03 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 350.494 351.272 350.62 350.95 Save . 350.95 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 351.2 352.28 351.22 352.12 Okay . 352.12 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 352.862 354.147 353.09 353.93 Very good . 353.93 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 354.976 357.285 355.0 356.76 A little later but here it is . 356.76 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 356.278 357.225 356.61 357.07 Okay . 357.07 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 358.064 358.96 358.29 358.96 So - TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 375.214 387.694 375.27 387.48 So okay . It's a little difficult what I'm gonna tell you . It's about the working of the remote control . I just had an half an hour j to study it and I don't get it . 376.17 379.22 382.6 387.48 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 385.656 387.483 385.656 387.35 Make it . 387.35 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 387.175 388.928 387.35 388.58 Now have ten minutes to tell it . 388.58 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 389.023 401.376 389.21 401.17 Ten minutes to tell it . Okay . I think it will be a few minutes and First uh I will tell you something about the findings , what I discovered about the remote control . The working bout it uh of it . 390.2 390.87 397.26 399.77 401.17 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 393.037 393.849 393.19 393.59 Okay . 393.59 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 402.917 416.416 402.94 416.21 Uh then I'll have uh some kind of map , and it's the top of the remote control . With a little bit of science , uh you I will show that uh in in a few minutes . And then uh what I'll think about it . 405.75 409.25 410.77 414.21 416.21 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 417.966 437.095 417.99 436.7 First , the findings . The remote control is a very difficult uh thing to uh to explain to just all of you wh who haven't seen a remote control uh inside . Uh there's a lot of uh plastic on it , um because its uh not so expensive . 418.42 419.44 431.11 433.33 436.7 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 437.095 461.088 437.46 460.95 And there are uh a lot of uh wires , uh which um connect the components in it , the battery , and there are um switches and things like that . There's a lot of small uh electronics . So it won't be um uh too expensive to build it . Only twelve Euro fifty I think uh we will make it . 441.11 445.31 445.99 450.39 452.83 457.25 460.95 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 462.752 481.882 463.23 481.73 Now And here I have the top of the remote control . Uh here's some kind of chip . Uh on top of this , there are uh the numbers . Uh you have all on your remote control . And uh the teletext uh button . And uh here's the battery . 467.92 469.61 471.33 473.04 475.98 478.48 481.73 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 481.882 503.574 482.16 503.5 And when you push the button , it will uh will be sent to the chip . And the chip will um send it to all kind of sub-components . That's what I said , it's very difficult . And after that it will be sent to the infrared . And that will send it to your television . 484.86 488.01 495.18 496.13 497.5 500.82 503.5 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 503.574 510.88 503.89 510.74 That's a short h uh how it works . Uh I think I can uh make it uh difficult , but we all 506.98 509.8 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 511.92 513.584 511.92 513.44 we all don't get it . 513.44 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 514.704 520.048 514.72 519.97 My preferences ? It's uh it won't be uh We shouldn't make it too big . 516.01 519.97 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 521.168 539.366 521.72 539.22 Uh also for the cost , uh we should only put one battery on it . A long-lasting battery . Uh also for the cost , uh use only plastic . Not other materials . Also because of the cost , uh not too much buttons on it . 524.1 526.63 529.03 530.93 532.8 534.91 537.09 539.22 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 539.366 554.856 539.41 554.78 We can also make uh a button uh with a menu uh button . And then um that that you will see it on the T_V_ . And on the T_V_ you can uh switch into the menu . That's I think it's easier . 544.66 549.0 552.43 554.78 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 552.579 553.526 552.86 553.43 Mm-hmm . 553.43 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 554.856 575.216 555.47 575.09 And the bleep signal , y uh you told us . Uh but we can also use it uh a bleep like something , when the battery's empty , then there is a bleep . Then you'll have to change it in a in a week or something . And also the bleep , when what I told you about uh when you lost it , and you push a button , and then you hear bleep bleep , and we will find it . 556.76 558.73 562.02 563.1 564.18 567.79 569.13 571.53 572.69 573.93 575.09 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 577.088 579.752 577.11 579.58 This is uh just uh Yeah . Yeah . 579.38 579.58 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 577.728 584.737 577.77 584.54 Oh oh . Two questions . The battery . You say one battery is cheaper . Why ? 579.21 579.97 581.32 584.09 584.54 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 585.584 591.424 585.6 591.36 If we w if we use only just one uh small pen-light , then it will be cheaper than when we use two . 589.21 591.36 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 590.723 595.184 590.86 594.86 Yeah but when you use two , you can use it two times longer . 593.14 594.86 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 596.256 604.62 596.28 604.62 Yeah but then we'll have to make the um remote control uh long lasting . Just 604.07 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 603.904 615.808 603.93 615.73 Okay so it's the size of the remote control . Okay and the buttons . When you use it on the television , you've you need the television , wh which can use it . 607.67 609.51 610.97 614.4 615.73 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 606.848 607.328 606.87 607.29 Yeah . 607.29 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 616.592 617.072 616.61 616.98 Yeah . 616.98 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 618.24 630.528 618.26 630.49 But uh I think this our remote control is for the televisions we uh we sell in our company ? Or is it also for other company uh for other televisions ? 626.46 630.49 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 618.288 618.624 618.55 618.59 S - TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 626.067 626.778 626.23 626.55 Okay . 626.55 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 632.752 636.368 632.77 635.99 I think we have to use it also on other televisions though . 635.99 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 636.288 651.112 636.31 651.04 Then this is an option . Maybe just a menu button to use it on our televisions . And then we make it easier uh for our televisions . And on the other tele televisions , you can also use it , but then we won't use the 638.65 642.29 646.12 647.97 649.06 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 637.888 638.773 637.93 638.773 So - TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 649.488 654.992 649.58 654.87 Yeah but I don't I think it They are two different things though . We have to choose one . 653.7 654.87 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 656.064 658.912 656.12 658.85 It has to work on o uh all televisions . 658.85 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 659.477 660.018 659.54 659.73 Mm . 659.73 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 659.696 667.456 659.74 667.39 Yeah ? Okay . Then I think uh the menu button uh will only work on the newer televisions . 660.51 661.02 667.39 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 668.496 675.536 668.62 675.5 And we will uh look forward and don't make a remote control which for the older televisions . 675.5 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 672.129 672.539 672.22 672.41 Hmm . 672.41 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 675.725 676.32 675.84 676.24 Okay . 676.24 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 676.912 692.858 676.98 692.5 And I just uh have one more idea . Uh maybe it's one of your tasks . But Uh , to have a trendy remote control , we can also um make something like the Nokia um mobile phones . To change covers . 679.88 682.25 682.98 685.63 691.53 692.5 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 692.858 702.912 693.11 702.86 So if you have uh a trendy half with all red , uh yellow and something . And then you can put a red cover on it . And also different things . 696.22 697.41 700.57 702.86 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 698.468 698.952 698.59 698.73 Hmm . 698.73 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 702.872 704.32 702.99 704.01 Yeah . Good idea . 703.38 704.01 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 704.24 706.24 704.26 706.2 Will this will this add to the cost ? 706.2 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 704.18 704.739 704.29 704.7 Yes . 704.7 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 707.072 714.32 707.43 714.11 Uh then it won't be uh will have just one cover on the uh original one . And then you can buy the covers . 712.79 714.11 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 714.992 720.384 715.01 719.91 Yes but you have to m uh be able to change it . D does it make it more difficult to design ? 717.77 719.91 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 720.782 724.604 720.81 724.48 I think it will be a little more difficult , but not too much . 723.24 724.48 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 723.728 724.235 723.75 724.13 Mm-hmm . 724.13 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 724.008 725.361 724.15 725.05 Not much . 'Kay . 724.8 725.05 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 725.472 729.136 725.49 728.93 Just like with the Nokia uh mobile phones . Just one . 728.57 728.93 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 728.048 732.556 728.07 732.42 Yeah but there are much more Nokia telephones than um these ones . 732.42 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 733.232 742.912 733.25 742.75 Yeah but then we'll have to to just um put five covers on it , and see if it works . If it won't works then we'll get something else . Then we uh won't g uh go further with it . 736.57 738.09 740.75 742.75 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 743.184 744.24 743.2 744.2 Yeah but are their - TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 745.296 747.628 745.32 747.44 profits bigger than their cost ? 747.44 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 748.704 754.384 749.08 754.35 Uh a p a a cover made in uh in China , it it won't be I guess so expensive I think . 752.4 754.35 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 754.848 758.144 754.88 757.89 Yeah but there are also design cost . 757.89 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 759.344 763.904 759.45 763.77 I don't think When you have a remote control , do you change the cover ? 762.48 763.77 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 765.472 777.76 765.55 777.76 Maybe . I wi I won't . But maybe I think trendy people or like children where you can paint on it , and uh the the children think , oh this is my remote control , uh I made a picture on it . Uh 766.52 768.24 772.49 773.63 775.02 777.52 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 765.706 767.363 765.87 767.31 Would you change the cover ? 767.31 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 768.547 769.223 768.73 769.03 No . 769.03 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 773.282 774.094 773.46 774.094 N yeah but - TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 776.816 782.48 776.97 782.48 I think that too less people would change it for good profit . So 781.99 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 781.216 781.681 781.24 781.47 Yeah . 781.47 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 782.56 783.237 782.72 783.0 Okay . 783.0 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 786.064 788.288 786.08 788.288 And the other people ? What do you think about it ? 786.85 788.1 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 786.623 787.198 786.81 787.198 Um - TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 789.689 791.279 789.85 791.279 Yeah it's a good idea . But 790.79 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 792.352 800.032 792.38 800.032 If if it Yeah , I don't I'm not sure if it will make profit enough to uh But it's uh yeah it's uh original idea . 793.37 799.83 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 795.504 796.085 795.53 795.83 Okay . 795.83 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 799.968 802.859 800.06 802.65 Yes it is but I don't think we have to do it . 802.65 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 803.056 803.668 803.11 803.51 No . 803.51 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 803.053 807.991 803.23 807.86 Okay . You're the Project Manager . Yes . That's it . 804.3 806.76 807.25 807.86 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 803.328 803.894 803.36 803.62 Mm . 803.62 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 805.768 806.432 805.84 806.26 Okay . 806.26 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 807.696 813.726 807.79 813.6 That's clear . Okay thank you . So now the User Interface Designer . 809.42 810.76 813.6 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 813.007 814.461 813.06 814.32 Oh . That's me . 813.74 814.32 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 820.64 821.792 820.66 821.792 Uh - TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 828.531 829.512 828.55 829.25 Come on . . 829.25 829.25 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 833.186 833.761 833.36 833.52 Ah . 833.52 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 833.696 834.187 833.72 834.0 Yeah . 834.0 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 837.568 855.306 837.59 855.08 Yes well uh uh I shall give a short talk about the the technical function design . Um I thought the the the technical function design was uh to uh for a remote control to to to have some influence on the T_V_ set . 847.2 855.08 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 855.306 871.589 855.78 871.32 Uh both audio and vide video uh in a cordless way . No cords attached . And uh well , it all by pushing a button on the remote . That was from my own experience and uh and uh the previous meeting . 859.1 861.84 862.75 867.22 871.32 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 871.589 880.112 872.44 880.06 Uh I find some uh some interesting quotes on the web . Uh well the same idea here . Uh message to the television . 875.43 877.51 880.06 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 881.472 892.31 881.5 891.34 And uh and and and well basic uh operations like on and off , and uh switching channels , and uh and maybe uh teletext or something like that . 886.52 887.89 891.34 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 892.31 902.944 892.55 902.944 Uh well these are two uh remotes , and that's our uh our dilemma I think . Uh 900.17 902.3 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 904.048 916.753 904.07 916.72 We just heard from the Industrial Designer how uh difficult it is . But uh shall we make a basic remote control , uh just uh swapping channels and volume and uh power button and well nothing much more . 907.46 911.31 916.72 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 916.753 930.16 916.86 930.09 Or uh uh more functions on the remote . Uh maybe more devices you can influence . Uh a radio or a v a video recorder , uh V_C_R_ . 921.57 925.72 929.37 930.09 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 931.808 935.632 931.808 935.52 Yeah well that's our dilemma . Um any ideas about that ? 933.22 935.52 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 936.688 939.191 936.72 938.99 Basic or multifunctional ? 938.99 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 939.264 941.264 939.37 941.09 We'll got back on that later . 941.09 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 941.184 946.544 941.26 946.47 Okay yeah . Yeah well the that was just on my mind . So uh I didn't know what uh 942.07 943.75 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 942.18 942.822 942.35 942.64 Yes . 942.64 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 947.714 949.101 947.82 948.88 what way we would go . 948.88 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 951.28 955.216 951.32 955.1 Mm yeah well that was my uh functional uh talk . 955.1 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 956.176 956.852 956.25 956.68 'Kay . 956.68 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 957.307 958.356 957.43 958.25 'Kay , thank you . 957.68 958.25 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 961.028 963.829 961.06 963.7 Then it's your turn , the marketing expert . 962.45 963.7 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 963.002 963.814 963.09 963.39 Okay . 963.39 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 965.508 966.291 965.58 966.0 Uh um m - TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 986.699 987.376 986.83 986.96 Yeah . 986.96 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 992.415 995.504 992.44 995.504 Um yeah okay . This bit too far . 993.89 995.09 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 998.03 998.706 998.24 998.706 So - TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1001.024 1026.361 1001.1 1026.19 So I'm uh gonna have a presentation about um the market , about um yeah what people think . Uh we did a usability lab-test with a hundred persons . And we looked at uh several um things . Uh among them design , uh d d how d did they like the use of it , uh what frustrations they had while using remote controls . 1006.13 1009.01 1014.41 1017.21 1018.64 1022.42 1026.19 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1026.361 1036.48 1026.54 1036.4 Uh well what what will be our market . And uh we asked them if we had some new featu features . If um that would be a good idea or not . 1030.08 1034.34 1036.4 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1037.827 1044.56 1037.96 1044.5 Well our findings . Uh our users , they disliked the look and feel of current remote controls . 1039.37 1041.35 1044.5 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1047.12 1062.699 1047.14 1062.26 Um uh they especially found found them very ugly . And um th they also found them hard to to learn how to use it . Uh well they also zap a lot . So uh zapping uh should be very easy . 1051.24 1057.34 1059.6 1062.26 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1062.699 1074.261 1063.33 1073.93 And uh fifty percent of the users only use ten percent of the buttons . So a lot of unused buttons . There is more findings . 1069.81 1072.95 1073.93 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1074.261 1086.65 1074.5 1086.31 Uh on the buttons . Which uh buttons find users uh very important and which which not ? And how much would they use them ? Well uh the most used button is the channel selection . 1075.39 1080.77 1082.55 1086.31 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1086.65 1100.115 1087.1 1099.97 And uh we asked them how uh relevant they think uh the buttons are . The power , volume and channel selections are very relevant . Uh teletext is uh less relevant but also important . 1092.53 1093.17 1096.66 1099.97 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1100.115 1113.78 1100.66 1113.49 Uh not important they found the audio , uh that's not the volume but uh specific the the pitch , or the left or right . Uh the screen and the brightness . And uh channel settings . 1104.31 1108.49 1110.58 1112.06 1113.49 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1113.78 1127.894 1114.05 1127.71 Uh th and they also are not used very often . Then we have a few um graphs about the market . Uh here we can see what the market share is of uh several groups . 1118.54 1122.85 1127.71 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1129.488 1151.271 1129.65 1150.86 Um as you can see , most users are uh between thirty six and forty five . Um the the the younger group between sixteen and twenty five is not very big . And to come back on the the swapping uh things , uh I don't think uh , I I think the younger will be most interest in it . 1131.55 1135.48 1141.59 1146.09 1147.66 1150.86 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1151.271 1165.95 1151.6 1165.4 But uh they are not a very big group . Um in the we asked them , uh how would you like a s a new feature . If you have an L_C_D_ on the remote control , what would you think of it . 1155.57 1157.8 1161.23 1164.54 1165.4 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1165.95 1183.806 1166.11 1183.31 Now you can clearly see young users say . I will that would very nice . And older user think uh they will be scared of change I think . And they won't like it . And another thing , how would you like to have a speech recognition on it . 1169.26 1171.63 1176.07 1177.87 1179.82 1183.31 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1183.806 1208.158 1184.14 1207.93 Well here we see the same . Young users uh think that's an interesting idea . And old users not . Uh well we uh found out that there are two several markets at which we can aim . Uh the first are the younger , the age between sixteen and forty five . Uh they are highly interested in the features , as you can see uh here . 1185.15 1188.55 1191.92 1198.56 1200.48 1203.6 1206.41 1207.93 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1210.112 1214.147 1210.2 1213.9 And um they are more critical on their money spending . 1213.9 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1216.416 1239.673 1216.49 1239.42 Uh the second group is the older group . Aged between forty six and sixty five . They are less interested in uh new features . But uh they spend their money more easily . Now if we look back at this graph , we can see that among the first group is about um sixty percent . And the second group about forty percent . 1219.19 1222.5 1225.64 1228.12 1230.84 1237.48 1239.42 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1239.673 1254.131 1240.13 1253.51 So the the first group is bigger . Well then I come to my uh personal preferences . Uh yeah the first question is uh also we have to ask is at the which market do we aim at . 1244.18 1248.12 1253.51 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1254.131 1272.448 1255.3 1272.28 Uh of course n uh saying we aim at the young group doesn't say that old people won't buy it . But less of them will buy it . Um well I uh Okay . What I thought , um even young people say it's hard to use , 1261.19 1264.04 1267.8 1268.59 1272.28 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1273.456 1284.005 1273.48 1283.92 remote control . So if you make a remote control that is uh very easy to use , that's especially aimed at this group , even uh the young group will also be more interested . 1274.63 1278.31 1280.75 1283.92 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1284.005 1296.545 1284.65 1296.32 And um we can make special features . But uh I think it looks nice in the first time . But when use it , uh I don't know what's uh good thing of speech recognition . 1288.02 1291.8 1292.65 1296.32 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 1296.976 1297.482 1297.18 1297.41 Mm-hmm . 1297.41 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1299.013 1309.936 1299.16 1309.936 Um well th uh that's my second point . Uh less important functions should be discarded from the remote control . It's about discussion we had earlier . Um 1301.86 1306.59 1309.18 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1311.12 1314.232 1311.23 1313.99 You can find most functions on a T_V_ set . 1313.99 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1316.064 1322.32 1316.14 1322.14 So uh you don't have to have a lot of audio options , or screen options to change the brightness . 1320.1 1322.14 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1323.376 1338.017 1323.4 1337.65 And such things . Um well the design is very important . One thing I did not say I think , is that a lot of users also said then I would uh buy a good looking uh remote control if there will be one . 1324.97 1327.43 1329.79 1337.65 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1338.017 1351.03 1338.18 1350.65 But they found most remote controls very ugly . So the design of our remote control is very important . And uh yeah it should be very zap friendly , as most users use it for that . 1342.23 1346.15 1348.49 1350.65 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1353.408 1354.576 1353.43 1354.41 That were my findings . 1354.41 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1355.978 1358.616 1356.09 1358.32 Okay thank you . Yes . 1358.05 1358.32 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 1356.05 1379.793 1356.32 1379.793 Yeah . I have uh one question . If we aim for the younger people , um and there will be uh a lot of features like L_C_D_ or the the the speech uh f recognising , uh the cost will be a lot of h uh a lot higher . Uh I think we don't have that in our budget . Do you think ? Like 1356.73 1358.03 1360.77 1369.12 1372.42 1377.44 1379.18 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1372.157 1373.003 1372.32 1372.69 Yes . 1372.69 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 1372.261 1372.858 1372.33 1372.44 Mm-hmm . 1372.44 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 1377.12 1377.638 1377.17 1377.54 No . 1377.54 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1377.728 1378.175 1377.99 1378.07 No . 1378.07 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 1378.8 1386.48 1378.86 1386.48 And I don't uh I don't think twenty five Euros for a remote is really cheap or something . So it's 1385.84 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 1385.168 1386.004 1385.21 1385.68 No . No . 1385.51 1385.68 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 1387.745 1389.424 1387.91 1389.17 Yeah , it's hard to uh 1388.14 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 1391.939 1393.225 1392.07 1393.14 get the younger - TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 1393.28 1394.02 1393.33 1393.65 Uh-huh . 1393.65 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 1394.408 1395.152 1394.57 1394.98 group . 1394.98 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1394.528 1402.747 1394.66 1402.56 I think uh the L_C_D_ is cheaper than speech recognition . So I think that can be an d good option . L_C_D_ . 1398.12 1402.08 1402.56 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 1398.8 1399.346 1398.83 1399.13 Mm-hmm . 1399.13 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 1403.439 1405.806 1403.6 1405.58 Just the L_C_D_ ? Mm-hmm . 1405.09 1405.58 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1404.4 1406.028 1404.42 1405.85 Yes . Only the L_C_D_ . 1405.01 1405.85 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1409.024 1412.288 1409.12 1412.1 So But we'll come back on that . 1412.1 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1412.736 1413.434 1412.78 1413.34 Okay . 1413.34 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1413.76 1414.288 1413.78 1414.288 Now - TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1415.632 1418.669 1415.632 1418.55 Oh , go on . 1417.43 1418.55 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1421.203 1423.197 1421.36 1423.197 What d d d um - TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1428.27 1429.082 1428.47 1429.082 Um - TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1431.199 1446.208 1431.46 1446.13 Uh we go back on the decisions later . Now we have a few new product requirements . First , teletext . We have internet now so we don't need the teletext anymore . So 1435.16 1439.24 1440.58 1441.38 1445.43 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1447.584 1450.976 1447.64 1450.49 not necessary . Next . 1450.08 1450.49 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1452.835 1462.224 1452.95 1462.18 Only for the television . So we don't look at the other things like the radio or something . Only the television . Third . 1453.94 1458.86 1461.44 1462.18 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1465.617 1479.686 1465.72 1479.58 We look at the age group of forty plus . Uh no , younger than forty . Is a g big group , and like you showed , n not very much people buy our stuff . 1468.87 1469.6 1471.22 1472.48 1476.22 1479.58 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1481.942 1484.58 1481.96 1484.58 Fourth point . 1484.38 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1485.472 1492.66 1485.75 1492.61 Our corporate colour and slogan must be used . Very important for the design . So you can see it on our site . 1488.65 1490.89 1492.61 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1494.452 1495.552 1494.63 1495.4 Next . 1495.4 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1496.989 1498.815 1497.1 1498.71 Um no . 1498.71 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1505.728 1514.295 1505.75 1514.13 We have to make our decisions , what we want to do . So like 1507.78 1510.54 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1515.136 1525.795 1515.16 1525.57 you said , we need the . Maybe it's good to put it in a document . 1516.13 1523.55 1525.57 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1529.272 1535.648 1529.45 1535.49 Now we have to decide what controls do we need . So maybe you can tell us . 1532.7 1535.49 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1536.368 1542.176 1536.39 1542.09 Yeah maybe we can first have a discussion uh on the the product requirements you just uh said . 1542.09 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1542.768 1543.376 1542.79 1543.14 Sorry ? 1543.14 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1543.76 1561.168 1543.78 1560.68 The the requirements you just said , maybe we should first have a discussion about that . I uh personally think uh teletext is a good option . Uh not everyone um who is looking T_V_ can go to internet when they want to see the latest news . 1546.16 1549.54 1553.9 1560.68 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1545.777 1546.284 1545.86 1546.09 Yes . 1546.09 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1548.976 1550.377 1549.0 1550.22 Yes , it's okay . 1549.23 1550.22 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1561.504 1570.794 1561.53 1570.44 Yeah but we don't use it . It's a new requirement . So , it's not my requirement . 1563.56 1566.93 1569.23 1570.44 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 1571.632 1574.304 1571.65 1574.2 'Kay , we'll just have to do that . Okay . 1571.76 1573.72 1574.2 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1573.056 1574.108 1573.1 1573.97 We have to do this . 1573.97 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1575.072 1577.141 1575.09 1577.141 Okay . Okay sorry . Then uh 1575.81 1576.44 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 1575.488 1579.594 1575.52 1579.29 No discussion about it . Okay . Unfortunately . 1577.21 1578.57 1579.29 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1576.645 1577.22 1576.76 1577.02 No . 1577.02 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1579.792 1580.365 1579.81 1580.23 So - TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1582.18 1583.735 1582.28 1583.46 what controls do we need ? 1583.46 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1588.432 1589.296 1588.46 1589.01 Who first ? 1589.01 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 1590.576 1592.149 1590.7 1592.1 Well a power button ? 1592.1 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1592.732 1593.544 1592.86 1593.4 Okay . 1593.4 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1595.36 1597.92 1595.58 1597.83 Uh power . 1597.83 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 1600.4 1607.04 1600.56 1607.04 Uh the well um I think separate channels . So 1606.37 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1608.881 1610.911 1608.99 1610.47 Uh mm channel . 1610.47 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 1613.408 1618.256 1613.45 1618.15 But then both the the separate channels . So so uh zero to nine or something . 1615.28 1618.15 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1616.255 1616.931 1616.28 1616.931 Channel - TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1619.366 1620.685 1619.43 1620.42 Zero to nine . 1620.42 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 1622.96 1624.573 1622.98 1624.35 Uh volume . 1624.35 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1624.672 1625.691 1624.94 1625.58 Volume . 1625.58 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1631.568 1636.656 1631.89 1636.6 Maybe it's easy to pick . What was w your one ? 1635.32 1636.6 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1637.757 1638.603 1637.97 1638.44 Techno - TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1638.4 1640.576 1638.42 1640.53 Mine ? It's the functional requirements . 1639.05 1640.53 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1641.038 1641.884 1641.35 1641.56 Okay . 1641.56 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1651.808 1655.784 1651.84 1655.59 We had w uh no no no no . 1655.59 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1656.704 1658.704 1656.72 1658.704 Where was that example of the - TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 1659.216 1660.216 1659.34 1660.18 Oh mine . 1660.18 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1660.08 1666.015 1660.12 1666.015 Johan . That was the the the the the technical 1661.48 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 1664.5 1665.21 1664.52 1665.06 Technical . 1665.06 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1672.746 1673.49 1672.77 1673.24 Hallo . 1673.24 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1676.064 1679.07 1676.09 1678.91 Okay . What do we need ? 1678.24 1678.91 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1680.928 1682.931 1680.95 1682.73 On-off . Zero to nine . 1681.94 1682.73 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 1684.592 1688.672 1684.61 1688.6 To change to the next channel , just one button . To move up , move down . 1685.92 1687.25 1688.07 1688.6 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1689.459 1691.285 1689.54 1691.18 Yeah that's the channel . 1691.18 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1690.416 1692.976 1690.45 1692.85 D Yeah . Do we make a menu ? 1691.59 1692.85 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1694.176 1701.008 1694.2 1700.83 Menu ? Uh yes the n newer televisions ha do have menus . 1695.61 1700.83 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1701.973 1702.56 1702.08 1702.56 Uh - TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1702.336 1705.072 1702.336 1705.072 Uh - TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1703.712 1708.467 1703.712 1708.33 M Menu . I think um 1707.17 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1711.648 1712.336 1711.67 1712.06 the - TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1713.568 1714.576 1713.64 1714.4 only one or - TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1715.6 1717.961 1715.62 1717.67 two numbers . 1717.67 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 1718.272 1718.8 1718.33 1718.77 Mm yes . 1718.77 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1720.608 1721.472 1720.67 1721.472 And - TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1722.496 1723.056 1722.52 1722.82 Hello ? 1722.82 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1725.673 1727.025 1725.77 1726.89 That's ch - TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1736.704 1757.472 1736.74 1757.34 I think it will be um q quite easy to use , to have uh uh four arrows . Up-down for channel selection , and left-right uh for volume . And uh a menu uh button . And if you press the menu button you get into the menu , and you can use the same buttons . But the then to scroll through the menu and to change the options . 1739.52 1741.97 1743.6 1746.69 1749.97 1752.43 1754.88 1757.34 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1743.586 1744.161 1743.68 1743.93 Yes . 1743.93 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1758.272 1759.739 1758.3 1759.5 On the L_C_D_ screen , 1759.5 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1761.125 1761.7 1761.18 1761.55 you mean ? 1761.55 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1762.528 1770.176 1762.85 1770.14 Uh well yeah that depends on if you have uh the menu on the T_V_ . Or you get the menu on the L_C_D_ screen on the remote control . 1767.0 1770.14 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1769.987 1776.832 1770.15 1776.7 Think it's better to have it on the remote control , 'cause it it has to work on all televisions . 1774.11 1776.7 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1777.84 1778.288 1777.94 1778.24 So - TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1778.272 1778.576 1778.29 1778.54 Yes . 1778.54 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 1780.224 1781.968 1780.25 1781.91 But then we come to the costs . 1781.91 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1780.353 1781.199 1780.5 1781.199 we need - TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1782.768 1786.144 1782.83 1786.04 N Yes . But if we 1784.78 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1787.616 1789.696 1787.64 1789.696 have this - TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1789.797 1790.095 1789.84 1789.93 'Kay . 1789.93 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1791.935 1804.144 1792.0 1804.11 But well if you aim at the younger market , um a as they as uh s uh as we seen in the usability uh lab , uh they will buy a nice looking um 1794.76 1800.82 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1805.216 1806.096 1805.35 1806.05 remote control . 1806.05 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1807.712 1824.352 1807.73 1824.28 And also to find the easy to use uh part very important . So if we have a L_C_D_ sh uh screen , and uh not too many buttons , I think that will incre uh uh even when it's a bit more cost , it will still sell . 1812.84 1815.54 1818.59 1823.51 1824.28 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1826.592 1831.568 1826.68 1831.47 So now we don't have a lot of buttons . 1831.47 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1833.603 1834.686 1833.77 1834.55 Is this enough ? 1834.55 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 1836.064 1836.819 1836.09 1836.57 Mute . 1836.57 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1837.968 1838.53 1837.99 1838.28 Mute . 1838.28 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1840.528 1842.032 1840.55 1841.84 Maybe in the menu ? 1841.84 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 1844.064 1845.152 1844.26 1845.152 Um - TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1844.61 1845.083 1844.7 1845.02 Mm . 1845.02 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 1847.248 1850.352 1847.27 1850.27 Yeah but then it's always uh more than one uh - TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1853.107 1855.952 1853.21 1855.84 Mute . Mm-hmm . Okay . 1854.51 1855.38 1855.84 TS3010b B MTD039UID 1 1853.632 1854.609 1853.65 1854.53 thing to do . 1854.53 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1855.12 1855.602 1855.15 1855.32 Yeah . 1855.32 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1858.552 1859.52 1858.63 1859.31 Maybe more ? 1859.31 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1865.443 1866.424 1865.443 1866.22 No . 1866.22 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1868.8 1877.888 1868.82 1877.82 Well . Then that's all . This will be the buttons . 1871.58 1875.88 1877.82 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1881.17 1882.218 1881.33 1882.218 And - TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1885.792 1891.856 1885.81 1891.856 I think that's enough for the next phase . So we can go on to 1889.17 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 1894.88 1903.072 1894.9 1903.072 But now we have only the buttons . And uh we don't yet have to decide what the remote control would look like ? Or 1896.81 1902.49 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1896.76 1897.268 1896.84 1897.09 Yes . 1897.09 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1903.216 1911.504 1903.26 1911.504 No that's for the next phase . Um 1905.34 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 1904.496 1905.619 1904.61 1905.04 Okay . 1905.04 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1915.056 1920.752 1915.14 1920.56 Phase two is the conceptual design . So then we'll have the concepts . 1917.38 1920.56 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 1918.0 1918.877 1918.06 1918.71 Okay . 1918.71 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 1920.96 1921.504 1920.98 1921.38 Okay . 1921.38 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1922.944 1926.592 1922.98 1926.33 That's for the So uh next point . 1926.33 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1928.144 1929.44 1928.17 1929.3 Now we have lunch-break . 1929.3 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1930.736 1945.136 1930.87 1945.03 After that we have t thirty minutes for work . And you can find the minutes in the Project Documents folder inclusive the uh buttons . No . 1935.06 1944.83 1945.03 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1946.288 1949.797 1946.31 1949.69 Your individual action , you can find them in the email . 1947.39 1949.69 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1953.168 1954.976 1953.22 1954.64 So now it's time for lunch . 1954.64 TS3010b C MTD038ID 2 1954.751 1955.562 1954.91 1955.4 Okay . 1955.4 TS3010b D MTD040ME 3 1955.264 1956.816 1955.3 1956.24 Okay . Good idea . 1955.8 1956.24 TS3010b A MTD037PM 0 1956.719 1957.936 1956.74 1957.7 Thanks for coming . 1957.7 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 47.328 57.648 47.5 57.44 Okay . Well , let's start . What are we doing ? Oops . 50.11 50.6 54.11 57.15 57.44 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 60.384 60.8 60.4 60.68 Hmm . 60.68 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 60.642 61.847 60.8 61.75 Ah , pinball . 61.11 61.75 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 62.208 68.081 62.208 68.081 Okay . Okay . Not doing . Uh 64.09 65.15 67.52 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 66.834 75.424 66.86 75.424 Mm . Ah . Hey . Ah . Now I have my screen back too . 67.55 67.99 69.05 69.93 75.31 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 67.714 68.35 67.85 68.04 Oh . 68.04 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 72.416 73.344 72.64 73.2 Very good . 73.2 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 76.128 90.941 76.128 90.941 Okay . we have presentations . So first , it's your turn . Yeah . Isn't it amazing . 80.65 81.96 83.94 86.13 87.24 90.79 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 79.858 80.494 80.05 80.29 Yeah . 80.29 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 85.296 87.107 85.32 86.71 Mine . Oh , great . 85.96 86.37 86.71 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 86.463 90.16 86.64 90.16 Huh . 89.91 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 88.864 91.048 88.864 90.82 Yeah . 90.82 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 92.354 93.794 92.5 93.61 Very interesting . 93.61 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 95.12 96.48 95.14 96.48 Uh - TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 111.024 116.816 111.46 116.72 Industrial Designer . Interface concept . 115.08 116.72 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 116.541 121.764 116.541 121.7 Yes , well uh let's uh talk about the interface uh concept . 117.32 121.7 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 124.016 131.632 124.04 131.55 Uh , first I'll uh I'll uh discuss the buttons we just chose , uh show you some samples , uh 125.07 129.02 131.03 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 132.672 137.264 132.84 137.23 uh discuss some colours and design maybe , already . And uh my personal preferences . 134.83 135.49 137.23 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 138.72 156.993 138.72 156.71 Well we chose the power button to switch the television on and off . The bu uh the mute button to switch the volume on and o on and off . The channels buttons , one to nine , and uh off uh uh zero to nine , and the uh button to choose uh higher channels than nine . 142.65 147.63 148.61 149.91 151.73 156.71 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 156.993 169.984 157.38 169.47 Uh the volume and channel quadrants , uh left and right , up and down arrows , to uh do the volume and channel . And the menu menu button to man manipulate the L_C_D_ uh display . 159.51 160.85 162.09 165.05 169.47 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 169.984 185.152 170.88 185.152 Um , I found some uh interesting uh uh samples . Examples . Um , well uh what's pretty standard is uh that it's that they're all pretty uh uh high uh 172.61 177.16 178.25 179.86 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 185.824 188.903 185.85 188.83 Large . A lot a lot of buttons buttons . 186.89 188.83 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 186.71 195.952 186.73 195.81 Yeah . Yeah . Large and and and pretty thin and uh and long . Um , power buttons are mostly at the top 187.13 187.36 192.06 192.78 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 197.893 199.296 197.94 199.09 uh left or right . 199.09 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 201.232 204.224 201.25 204.14 Um , well we see the the the same uh 202.31 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 205.232 209.456 205.25 209.456 arrows . Like there . And uh 206.14 208.53 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 211.152 213.216 211.17 213.17 Yeah , well arrow b buttons can be blue . 211.38 213.17 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 214.464 235.715 214.76 235.66 And what's interesting is the the the icons on the buttons . Some buttons have icons like the play and stop , but we don't use that . But uh , these we we have to choose the right icons , or or letters . Uh this is the V_ for volume , but they're both uh a V_ . So it's it's not really very uh clear what's the function of that . 219.41 221.54 222.55 223.01 225.91 226.93 228.72 231.09 235.66 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 236.064 236.636 236.09 236.4 Yeah . 236.4 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 237.136 238.0 237.16 238.0 Um - TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 239.648 240.66 239.67 240.66 Yeah . So , that's 239.9 240.02 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 240.896 243.306 240.896 243.05 Can you go back one page ? 243.05 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 244.752 248.912 244.77 248.86 For the uh menu , what do we use for that ? 247.07 248.86 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 250.88 251.91 250.9 251.91 Uh , well 251.35 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 250.973 257.168 251.24 256.71 We don't have buttons for the menu . Or we may have to use channel of the volume and channel . 253.3 256.71 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 257.92 262.992 258.05 262.992 Yeah . I thought that was our uh idea . So , uh how 258.74 261.22 261.57 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 260.224 262.496 260.35 262.496 Okay . But uh 261.49 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 264.071 265.745 264.11 265.745 You have to put it on the - TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 266.72 269.424 266.74 269.39 Like this . Or or this . 268.32 269.39 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 267.648 268.192 267.71 267.96 Yeah . 267.96 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 271.04 272.704 271.06 272.57 And that the menu button is okay . 272.57 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 272.928 275.696 272.97 275.6 Yeah but , has to be clear that you can use the arrows . 273.42 275.6 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 275.68 278.176 275.68 278.176 Yeah , okay . Uh , so the 276.42 277.05 277.37 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 276.249 276.919 276.45 276.85 Yes . 276.85 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 279.76 282.496 279.78 282.43 The icons on the arrows , as well , you mean . 281.11 281.93 282.43 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 281.716 283.859 281.94 283.61 Mm-hmm . Yes . The second one . 282.58 282.89 283.61 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 284.096 284.608 284.12 284.52 Yeah . 284.52 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 287.04 289.312 287.08 289.312 Uh , well that's something to uh think about . 287.33 289.14 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 289.248 289.826 289.27 289.66 Okay . 289.66 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 289.531 294.064 289.76 294.02 Uh , maybe I'll have something in my uh presentation . And you will see it . 289.85 292.08 294.02 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 292.872 293.642 293.05 293.48 Okay . 293.48 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 293.278 295.589 293.4 295.589 Okay . 295.44 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 296.88 318.787 296.9 318.4 Um , well I don't I don't know if we have to discuss this already , or in the next uh meeting . But uh , as we have to uh to to design the the case and the whole uh remote control in our uh our our corporate uh company uh uh colours and the logo , I would uh recommend a yellow case . 297.43 300.74 302.77 304.2 316.6 318.4 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 318.787 331.314 318.86 331.19 Uh , round edges . The logo at the bottom . And uh , well maybe each each uh set of buttons uh has uh has his own colour . So , it's good . Uh , recognisable . K so , I think . 319.18 320.64 322.65 323.64 327.44 327.62 328.76 329.03 329.91 330.85 331.19 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 331.792 334.288 331.792 334.16 Not too much colours . 334.16 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 334.784 342.064 334.86 342.064 Uh , no . Not too much . But uh No , no , no . But this has to be has to be trendy and uh and 334.97 335.14 335.94 337.84 337.96 338.1 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 336.004 337.812 336.28 337.54 No , it's not flower power . 336.51 337.54 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 340.288 341.194 340.31 340.91 S okay . 340.91 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 345.12 353.088 345.15 353.02 Uh , yeah so good uh good icons on the buttons , and uh and big buttons is my uh personal uh 346.23 350.51 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 354.192 354.8 354.22 354.76 opinion . 354.76 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 356.768 357.44 356.79 357.21 Okay . 357.21 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 357.92 358.634 357.99 358.55 That was that . 358.55 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 358.912 359.549 358.93 359.34 Thank you . 359.34 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 360.955 362.663 361.09 362.5 So , you're next . 362.03 362.5 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 362.72 364.275 362.78 364.11 I'm next , okay . 363.46 364.11 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 383.204 386.0 383.36 385.91 Yes . No . Here we go . 384.2 384.95 385.91 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 387.904 407.747 388.55 406.9 Uh , at first we will uh I will f uh say something about what younger people want , our uh group w uh w uh we want to uh sell our remote controls to . And then , I'll discuss what my opinion is about the costs , about uh what battery is in it , what kind of buttons also . 388.87 393.37 399.5 400.13 402.71 404.93 406.9 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 388.913 389.547 388.913 389.32 Okay . 389.32 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 390.814 391.559 391.07 391.29 Mm-hmm . 391.29 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 407.747 424.655 408.58 424.29 First uh , the younger people , they want like soft mat uh materials and primary colours . Like , totally yellow , totally red . Uh , so it's visible . Uh , the shapes are curved and round , like uh you also said . 409.57 410.53 415.04 415.8 416.7 417.58 418.34 420.76 420.96 422.95 424.29 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 424.655 441.664 425.39 441.57 Maybe it's nice to uh get a remote control not like all the other ones , straight and uh flat and long . But to give him the shape of your hand , so you it's easier to use or something like that . But that's just an idea . And then , 429.93 432.66 435.09 438.08 440.97 441.57 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 444.48 461.353 444.57 460.9 I'll have to discuss about the costs uh of all the things for the remote control . The battery , there are few options . Uh , I think the best option is to use uh the basic battery . So , everybody can buy it uh at the at the supermarket . 450.48 450.92 452.97 453.48 457.23 457.47 460.9 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 461.353 477.287 461.78 476.74 Or use uh a k uh kinetic battery like uh within a watch . When you uh shake it a few times , it it's loaded . Uh , the the form of the remote control , I think it's also nice have it curved . 467.38 469.34 471.74 472.1 474.42 476.74 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 477.287 499.065 477.41 498.91 And maybe like it's hand-shaped . Uh , so uh you take it here in your hand and here are the buttons . Uh material , you use plastic . Hard plastic uh because uh it won't have to burst uh like in the in one time . And also rubber because the younger people like that , what we see in the research . 480.5 480.96 485.67 486.87 488.17 494.27 496.74 498.91 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 499.065 520.604 499.83 520.29 Uh the push-buttons . We have one new thing uh discovered . It's a scroll push uh thing like a mouse . Maybe it's uh easy to use uh for the channels . When you want to go m move up , you just scroll up and click on the button , if you wanna see the next , uh if you wanna see that channel . 501.05 503.41 507.32 511.87 513.33 516.17 518.54 520.29 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 520.604 535.792 520.92 535.7 And also for the mouse , uh for the volume , it's also uh easy to use . Just scroll a bit up , scroll a bit down . And that's also easy just w when you have a thing like this , and you get it here . You can do it with your thumb . 522.08 524.04 526.0 527.12 529.28 533.15 534.2 535.7 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 535.792 542.816 536.32 542.26 And with your l left hand you can uh push the buttons uh if you push uh channel one , you can see channel one . 541.19 542.26 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 536.453 536.992 536.58 536.88 Hmm . 536.88 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 542.816 568.216 543.32 567.72 The electrics um with a scroll push uh button , we must use regular uh chips . There are also uh simple chips . They are uh cheaper . Um , but then we have just a basic uh uh remote control , and I think there are a lot of those uh things , and people won't buy it any more . They have seen enough of it . 548.41 551.4 553.18 555.82 556.83 561.83 564.82 566.53 567.72 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 568.216 586.205 568.71 585.7 And you have also advanced um chips . But that's with the L_C_D_ uh screen . And the costs will increase a lot more . And I think our budget is too low to use and an L_C_D_ , and the chip who is more expensive . 572.21 575.0 578.43 582.72 585.7 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 586.205 607.056 586.9 607.02 And maybe it's also then uh thoughtful if we u uh use uh as um different kind of uh shapes for the for remote control , that we then use the primary colours . Like , you get a yellow uh remote control , red one , blue one , et cetera . 599.5 602.09 602.37 604.65 605.19 606.47 607.02 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 608.576 611.2 608.6 611.17 You have any more questions about this ? 611.17 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 613.424 622.352 613.44 622.28 I think the main thing is we look at the costs . And not too basic , not a basic remote control , who everybody already has . 617.61 618.86 621.08 622.28 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 613.801 614.509 614.02 614.17 Yep . 614.17 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 616.317 617.02 616.57 616.93 Hmm . 616.93 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 619.415 619.862 619.46 619.8 Yeah . 619.8 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 621.055 626.064 621.2 625.99 But , thi i uh This is with an L_C_D_ ? No , not . 621.42 624.29 625.54 625.99 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 624.862 627.172 624.91 627.01 Not with an L_C_D_ . No . 626.68 627.01 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 626.24 632.0 626.26 631.78 No , isn't . But the L_C_D_ is easy when you use the scroll uh buttons . 626.38 627.2 631.78 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 633.072 636.208 633.1 636.08 Then you can scroll , you see what number , and then you push . 633.89 635.36 636.08 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 634.947 635.482 635.13 635.35 Yeah . 635.35 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 636.554 640.224 636.72 640.14 But then , what I say , the costs will uh get a lot higher . 637.18 637.78 640.14 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 640.992 643.376 641.03 643.25 But then it's not easy to use scroll uh - TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 644.576 645.104 644.6 644.95 wheel . 644.95 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 645.632 648.208 645.7 648.05 Th then you'll see it on the television . 648.05 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 646.031 647.136 646.1 647.136 If you don't - TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 648.752 652.432 648.77 652.37 Hmm , yes . But then . Yeah , then you go one down one up . 649.21 649.55 650.28 650.43 652.37 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 653.687 654.625 653.79 654.41 When you scroll . 654.41 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 653.728 663.584 653.79 663.52 Yeah but l when you see a menu uh on the television , it's like you see uh one to twenty , you go uh uh s scroll up , and push number tw twenty . 658.32 660.09 661.96 663.52 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 660.986 670.596 661.11 670.596 Yeah but like we said before , it has to be used on every television . So you may not be uh 662.95 666.31 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 672.88 678.075 672.91 678.075 No . The television must do that . So 673.93 677.54 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 677.392 681.808 677.43 681.77 Mm-hmm . Yeah , I think the younger people will have newer televisions , which 678.39 678.54 681.32 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 682.848 685.184 682.87 685.15 can provide our uh remote control . 685.15 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 684.384 688.176 684.4 688.14 Yeah but young people have to have all their uh room . 688.14 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 689.696 693.52 689.72 693.52 And mostly they are smaller . So 693.1 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 692.752 693.41 692.77 693.21 Yes . 693.21 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 694.72 696.256 694.74 696.04 But that won't be a problem . 696.04 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 697.026 697.863 697.12 697.68 I think . 697.68 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 697.648 701.172 697.67 701.09 Most the times that are not advanced televisions . 701.09 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 702.559 725.26 702.65 725.07 No , but then we'll get to the regular uh remote controls . And I think , what I said , everybody has them uh has them already . And they go to a uh supermarket and buy them uh for two Euros . Uh , and ge and get the most cheapest uh thing . And I think we must look further to uh to devel d develop something news . 702.79 706.22 706.99 708.19 710.76 714.91 716.27 719.22 725.07 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 725.904 726.491 725.96 726.32 Okay . 726.32 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 726.299 733.712 726.47 733.08 Uh , can you give an indication in b uh in the cost difference between uh the chip with L_C_D_ or without ? 726.5 733.08 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 733.76 739.697 733.76 739.697 I got it on my screen and it was uh higher . But I don't know uh how much higher . 737.44 739.58 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 739.504 743.056 739.53 742.98 'Cause it I think if we have an L_C_D_ , it will also sell a lot better . 741.45 742.98 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 739.958 741.13 740.03 740.9 That's important . 740.9 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 743.504 744.176 743.59 744.06 That's true . 744.06 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 744.816 748.112 744.84 748.112 And that might uh bring back the costs uh - TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 748.432 770.912 748.52 770.83 But then we'll I think we must discuss who uh what will be better . If we have a better shape of the um remote control , or better options on it . With a scroll menu , a w scroll thing , and a L_C_D_ . And then a flat um remote control . Or , a more hand-shaped remote control , with scroll , without L_C_D_ . 753.03 757.76 759.89 760.89 762.0 763.18 766.2 766.57 769.24 769.78 770.83 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 773.696 774.317 773.88 774.19 Yeah . 774.19 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 775.36 785.299 775.38 785.12 Maybe you can look how how much it is for the L_C_D_ . It's very important . 783.17 785.12 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 780.428 784.561 780.51 784.561 I can uh look on my uh - TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 791.824 792.816 791.88 792.816 Uh - TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 795.159 811.152 795.24 811.08 Note that the push-button requires a simple chip chip . A scroll wheel requires minimally a regular chip , which is a higher price range . The display requires a advanced chip , which is which in turn is more expensive than the regular chip . 798.58 802.42 804.45 807.46 811.08 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 811.44 813.52 811.46 813.43 Yeah , more expensive . But how much ? 811.57 812.66 813.43 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 814.813 816.48 814.88 816.48 Doesn't say . 815.97 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 816.337 816.8 816.47 816.6 Oh . 816.6 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 816.701 817.203 816.82 817.09 Huh . 817.09 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 816.864 817.28 816.88 817.21 Hmm . 817.21 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 819.312 820.014 819.35 819.76 Okay . 819.76 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 823.088 826.48 823.15 826.39 That's from my manufacturing division . 826.39 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 826.752 833.136 826.9 832.94 Okay . Well , thank you . Next . 830.03 830.88 831.92 832.94 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 827.451 828.346 827.61 828.346 'Kay . 828.21 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 830.81 831.748 831.02 831.5 My turn ? 831.5 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 831.26 831.963 831.41 831.86 Yes ? 831.86 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 837.406 841.39 837.406 841.39 Mm . So 840.77 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 844.784 845.92 845.1 845.92 So - TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 849.376 862.223 849.4 861.68 Yeah . So , my uh presentation is about trend-watching . Uh , I did some trend-watching . It's very important to uh keep up with latest trends . 'Cause if you don't , you won't sell . 850.31 850.45 853.22 853.98 856.05 859.73 860.53 861.68 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 862.223 877.37 863.02 876.67 So , well how we did do that ? Uh , well we made an investigation of the market , by Trendwatchers . They uh watch in uh cities like uh Paris and Milan . Of course , well known for their uh trend uh trends . 863.16 864.21 864.57 867.28 868.72 873.14 873.46 876.67 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 877.37 897.828 878.34 897.4 And well , uh what did you find ? Uh , we have two groups , young and trendy , and the old and rich . Well th and the young and trendy , they uh they starting to like uh fruit and vegetables uh as a theme for n uh clothes , shoes , and also uh products . 878.8 880.05 880.52 881.22 882.0 883.04 885.31 895.01 895.93 897.4 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 897.828 907.283 898.26 907.15 And um , material ? That should feel have uh a spongy feeling . And to get a feeling for what it is , uh here is an image of it . 899.11 899.92 903.71 905.21 907.15 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 909.952 921.536 909.97 921.49 Then the old and rich . They like uh dark colours , and simple , recognisable shapes . And um , they also like uh familiar material , uh especially wood . Now , another picture . 911.34 912.81 913.71 915.83 916.77 919.14 920.57 920.7 921.49 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 922.784 923.922 922.8 923.78 To get a feeling for this . 923.78 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 925.63 942.822 925.67 942.5 Well , uh then already come to my personal preferences . We uh aim at the younger market . So , we should also be uh look at their uh trends . However , with trends it's always if there's it's now . It it it might last one year , and next year it be uh can be totally different . 925.97 929.17 930.98 931.12 935.14 935.62 938.12 939.55 942.5 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 942.822 954.848 943.16 954.78 And I think we want to sell our product for longer than one year . So , we m must not just only look at what the trend is now , as it might be totally different next year . So , that's uh one thing to keep in mind . 946.79 946.95 950.79 953.25 953.34 954.78 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 955.184 960.24 955.2 960.24 Changing covers . 960.21 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 959.84 960.38 959.94 960.13 Yeah . 960.13 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 965.36 966.34 965.48 966.11 Any questions ? 966.11 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 966.768 967.231 966.86 967.04 Nope . 967.04 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 967.414 968.117 967.53 967.7 No . 967.7 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 967.632 969.248 967.69 969.16 No . It's clear . 968.57 969.16 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 973.857 975.163 974.06 974.9 So now , 974.9 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 976.268 980.8 976.35 980.67 it's uh Ah , let's see . 980.15 980.67 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 988.335 991.716 988.43 991.55 Now , w we have to decide 988.74 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1000.422 1005.36 1000.61 1005.36 Well , we have to decide on the concept . So , we have to look at 1000.83 1003.66 1004.35 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1007.104 1013.072 1007.12 1013.072 'S next . Components and user interface concept . So 1008.88 1012.5 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1015.67 1021.744 1015.81 1021.61 Now , we have to make some concept . Maybe one of you can paint it on the board . 1015.97 1018.8 1021.61 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1023.781 1026.192 1023.8 1025.97 First , uh user interface . 1024.29 1025.97 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1028.32 1030.176 1028.34 1030.1 Uh , uh-uh . 1029.91 1030.1 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1031.36 1033.376 1031.38 1033.376 How w how we how we make it ? Uh 1033.03 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1033.156 1038.513 1033.28 1038.513 Yes , a concept on uh Just 1033.62 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1037.664 1041.777 1037.68 1041.777 Shouldn't we first discuss about like what w we all - TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1038.238 1038.908 1038.37 1038.69 Yeah . 1038.69 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1040.608 1043.837 1040.63 1043.6 Yeah , but maybe we can paint it . Uh , what do we want ? 1040.75 1041.98 1042.44 1043.6 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1044.464 1047.1 1044.48 1047.1 Yeah , but if I paint with 1044.7 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1046.672 1051.76 1046.94 1051.76 I'll paint . Okay . Well 1047.56 1050.45 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1051.872 1052.434 1051.96 1052.37 Mm . 1052.37 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1057.701 1058.8 1057.77 1058.8 Something like this ? Or 1058.38 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 1060.381 1061.486 1060.55 1061.36 Mm , yes . 1060.86 1061.36 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1060.748 1063.344 1060.77 1063.21 Shapes or What do we need ? 1063.21 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1066.992 1069.259 1067.09 1068.89 Can make several uh concepts . 1068.89 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 1067.308 1067.793 1067.43 1067.63 What ? 1067.63 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1069.721 1070.625 1069.84 1070.5 Yes , okay . 1070.15 1070.5 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1070.4 1074.951 1070.46 1074.81 We have this , and we had the idea of an um a more uh uh uh like sh in the shape of your hand . 1070.91 1074.81 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1075.824 1076.659 1075.94 1076.28 Okay . 1076.28 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1075.835 1077.174 1076.04 1077.174 More like something - TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1076.692 1079.617 1076.87 1079.617 Yeah I I I uh yes . 1079.11 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1078.656 1091.488 1078.69 1091.31 M like Yeah I can't dr I can't draw it . Uh I have to . I'm not a designer . It's more three D_ . Like , um when you have 1080.89 1084.24 1086.74 1088.08 1088.59 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1080.877 1081.949 1080.97 1081.8 And you have to . 1081.8 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1083.632 1084.368 1083.69 1084.28 Yeah . 1084.28 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1093.803 1100.736 1093.84 1100.52 a part here . This is the remote control . And then you have something like 1096.69 1099.09 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1102.72 1111.323 1102.8 1111.323 th this under it . So , it's easier to get it like this . It's like a gun . 1104.26 1104.93 1108.72 1111.03 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 1105.26 1105.93 1105.47 1105.78 Mm . 1105.78 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 1107.001 1108.256 1107.001 1107.85 Yeah . 1107.85 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1108.208 1108.754 1108.23 1108.64 Yeah . 1108.64 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1109.558 1112.872 1109.7 1112.56 A g Mm . . 1112.56 1112.56 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1110.742 1112.16 1110.9 1112.11 So , it has to be soft ? 1111.06 1112.11 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1112.272 1113.856 1112.54 1113.62 And it has to be soft , yeah . 1113.37 1113.62 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1113.808 1114.458 1113.95 1114.4 Okay . 1114.4 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1115.504 1123.231 1115.52 1123.07 So , you can squeeze in it and Sorry ? Buttons on top of it . And here . 1115.64 1120.1 1122.47 1123.07 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1115.764 1117.371 1115.88 1117.19 And uh , the buttons ? 1116.51 1117.19 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1119.04 1119.909 1119.16 1119.73 Buttons . 1119.73 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1124.176 1127.082 1124.21 1126.79 The scrolling . You can do it with your thumb . 1125.61 1126.79 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1127.424 1134.173 1127.424 1134.09 No , it won't . 1133.51 1134.09 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 1128.943 1133.359 1128.98 1133.03 But but i that's the only scroll uh button on it then ? 1133.03 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1133.12 1141.114 1133.23 1140.96 But now we use one scroll button and the other one is here . One till uh uh zero till nine . And the b 1136.2 1140.44 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1139.808 1143.113 1139.96 1142.89 But , well there one for the sound and one for the channels . 1140.43 1142.89 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 1139.787 1141.227 1139.96 1141.227 Yeah , okay . But but how 1140.1 1140.28 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1140.263 1140.86 1140.4 1140.73 Yeah . 1140.73 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 1142.478 1143.838 1142.63 1143.838 Yeah . How 1143.45 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1143.36 1146.207 1143.39 1146.06 Yeah ? Or two buttons . 1144.93 1146.06 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 1146.112 1146.785 1146.13 1146.57 Okay . 1146.57 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1146.496 1148.304 1146.52 1148.304 And i if we go to uh - TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1146.672 1148.921 1146.72 1148.71 Uh , two scroll uh wheels . 1147.13 1148.71 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1148.32 1157.136 1148.34 1157.1 If uh 'Kay c If we do If we use one , then we'll have just a switch on it , and you'll just switch it , and now it's the sound to switch back 1150.96 1153.2 1154.46 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 1155.463 1156.133 1155.66 1156.05 Mm . 1156.05 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1156.496 1157.888 1156.52 1157.77 That's th that's more difficult . 1157.77 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1158.159 1163.879 1158.34 1163.75 But if we have uh a me Yeah . If we have a menu , uh how do we uh choose other options ? 1160.43 1161.18 1163.75 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1158.731 1159.917 1158.84 1159.917 It's better in - TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1164.912 1180.464 1164.93 1180.09 with the menu uh button . And then you also can scroll uh scroll in it . Just not like all the other ones , with uh this thing , and uh here an arrow , here an arrow , here an arrow , here an arrow . Because uh , from h hundred uh remote controls , ninety nine have it . 1166.38 1169.26 1170.83 1172.43 1173.87 1174.46 1174.98 1176.16 1177.07 1179.29 1180.09 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1169.876 1170.323 1169.99 1170.19 Yeah . 1170.19 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1180.56 1183.18 1180.58 1183.05 But if we don't have a L_C_D_ we don't have a menu . 1183.05 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 1180.336 1181.144 1180.61 1180.81 Yeah . 1180.81 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1185.104 1187.424 1185.16 1187.31 Uh , then we have it on the T_V_ , the menu . 1185.91 1186.91 1187.31 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1185.36 1185.856 1185.41 1185.65 Uh-uh . 1185.65 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1188.08 1197.878 1188.1 1197.54 Yeah , but again maybe th How do we know the T_V_ can handle it ? You don't know . So , there's no menu . 1188.26 1194.91 1196.44 1196.77 1197.54 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1196.563 1197.495 1196.72 1197.37 I don't know . 1197.37 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1198.864 1203.008 1198.88 1203.008 It's like some sort of uh teletext option , but we don't have teletext . 1201.19 1202.8 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1202.928 1205.084 1202.95 1204.88 No . So you can't use it . 1203.97 1204.88 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1206.224 1212.48 1206.69 1212.45 And if we put an L_C_D_ thing on it , then the costs will uh be much higher . 1209.62 1212.45 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1213.008 1216.944 1213.05 1216.91 Okay , we make two concepts . One with L_C_D_ . One without L_C_D_ . 1213.48 1214.6 1215.68 1216.91 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1217.36 1217.923 1217.4 1217.61 'Kay . 1217.61 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1219.312 1222.778 1219.33 1222.778 But you all like this kind of thing . Uh 1222.11 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1223.264 1225.152 1223.38 1225.152 Good concept . But 1224.75 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1226.864 1239.835 1226.91 1239.66 With the scroll button . And and this one has to be soft . And this has to be harder , because when it falls , it mu mu must not burst . Or some kind of rubber around it . 1227.9 1231.66 1233.51 1234.52 1237.08 1239.66 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1227.316 1228.421 1227.51 1228.15 That's one . 1228.15 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1229.332 1229.785 1229.39 1229.56 Uh-uh . 1229.56 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 1240.576 1241.213 1240.61 1240.9 Mm-hmm . 1240.9 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1246.139 1246.768 1246.16 1246.56 It's one . 1246.56 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1247.646 1249.32 1247.79 1249.17 Two . Number two . 1248.67 1249.17 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 1249.121 1253.952 1249.27 1253.952 And you can and you can uh make the the power button as a trigger . Like uh 1253.24 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1253.072 1263.328 1253.072 1263.328 Yeah . Yeah . Ah that's nice . Here . Trigger . 1254.2 1254.79 1256.05 1256.34 1263.23 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1258.704 1262.416 1258.84 1262.35 No . But when you handle it , you put it on and off . 1259.84 1261.28 1262.35 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 1259.735 1261.476 1259.8 1261.476 Just to uh - TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1263.44 1265.584 1263.46 1265.48 It's not good to use . 1265.48 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1266.838 1273.264 1266.838 1273.264 Yeah , but I'll zap . Fuck . Out . 1268.15 1271.41 1271.92 1273.01 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 1266.796 1268.92 1266.9 1268.92 Oh , like a 1266.94 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 1270.944 1272.912 1270.944 1272.78 Yeah . 1272.78 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1274.64 1281.888 1274.66 1281.85 No , it's not good . Now , second concept . One with L_C_D_ , one without L_C_D_ . 1274.88 1277.76 1277.93 1279.75 1280.74 1281.85 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1277.12 1277.628 1277.14 1277.43 Yeah . 1277.43 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1283.472 1284.08 1283.52 1284.08 Then uh - TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1286.292 1288.167 1286.4 1288.167 Paint it . 1287.88 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1287.38 1290.864 1287.45 1290.83 Paint it ? With the scroll thing on , like this ? 1288.61 1290.21 1290.83 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1290.144 1294.4 1290.17 1294.3 One with two scroll buttons and one with without . Yeah . 1294.07 1294.3 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1295.728 1301.995 1295.78 1301.87 Uh , one with a with a menu , and one without a menu . And the one with with a menu has an L_C_D_ . 1295.91 1297.42 1299.1 1301.87 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1296.012 1296.582 1296.07 1296.41 So ? 1296.41 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1300.898 1306.096 1300.898 1306.096 Draw it . 1305.74 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1302.784 1316.88 1302.784 1316.88 Unbelievable . Do I have to do everything . Blank . You have 1306.02 1309.56 1311.72 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1381.695 1383.134 1381.94 1382.76 Not so difficult . 1382.76 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1383.44 1385.34 1383.44 1385.22 Yeah . 1385.22 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 1384.944 1387.232 1384.99 1387.232 But if you put push the the menu button - TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1388.048 1391.277 1388.08 1391.03 Uh , that's the menu . There for the L_C_D_ screen . 1388.17 1389.74 1391.03 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 1389.301 1390.406 1389.33 1390.406 Yeah , wh what 1389.62 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 1391.52 1395.792 1391.54 1395.76 Yes , but you don't know which of the scroll buttons you have to choose . 1391.74 1395.76 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1396.72 1397.424 1396.74 1397.424 You have to - TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1398.432 1399.213 1398.45 1398.95 For the menu . 1398.95 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 1399.072 1399.747 1399.09 1399.44 Yeah . 1399.44 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1402.193 1405.139 1402.26 1405.0 Mm-hmm . One 1404.2 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1407.717 1409.6 1407.98 1409.54 that way . And one 1408.65 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1411.242 1411.979 1411.38 1411.83 that way . 1411.83 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1415.184 1415.552 1415.22 1415.552 So - TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1418.416 1423.024 1418.48 1422.85 Then it depends on the cost . S On and off . 1421.32 1422.85 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1423.759 1427.744 1423.92 1427.744 But is it easy to use ? When you have it on your left side , and 1425.67 1427.32 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1427.95 1431.536 1428.11 1431.46 When it's not too big . Just like a a phone . 1430.07 1431.46 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 1432.928 1433.471 1432.96 1433.27 Mm-hmm . 1433.27 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1435.12 1443.216 1435.14 1443.216 M uh yeah , maybe it's better if the uh scroll-wheels are um more separate , yeah . Like , you have the menu button in between uh 1435.61 1440.3 1440.89 1441.1 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1438.768 1440.56 1438.82 1440.51 Separate , more separate , h yeah . 1439.32 1440.1 1440.51 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1440.848 1441.753 1440.87 1441.38 Yes , okay . 1441.2 1441.38 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1443.136 1446.991 1443.16 1446.74 Yeah . On the left a scroll button , and on the right a scroll button . 1443.58 1445.34 1446.74 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1453.792 1459.564 1453.81 1459.564 But would it be easy to use then ? If it's like you have a big uh 1455.7 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1493.44 1494.662 1493.78 1494.36 Very good . 1494.36 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1497.408 1498.496 1497.51 1498.24 Is it better ? 1498.24 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1500.256 1504.22 1500.28 1504.17 When you uh the menu , you have to go there there there there . 1501.62 1504.17 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1506.912 1515.016 1506.93 1515.016 I also think this concept is not what the young people were looking for . They were like round curves , uh different uh 1510.33 1512.3 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1507.455 1507.902 1507.55 1507.84 Yeah . 1507.84 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1514.265 1518.896 1514.48 1518.84 Yeah , okay . That's that's the outside . But now the First the buttons . 1514.82 1515.2 1516.93 1518.84 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1516.432 1517.779 1516.46 1517.6 Okay , okay , okay . 1516.92 1517.14 1517.6 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1518.816 1519.62 1519.03 1519.34 Mm-hmm . 1519.34 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1525.339 1529.904 1525.51 1529.904 Think we have we have now two buttons missing . The uh um 1528.8 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1531.408 1532.473 1531.43 1532.19 The mute button . 1532.19 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1533.536 1534.06 1533.59 1533.88 Sorry ? 1533.88 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1534.192 1540.542 1534.21 1540.2 We have two buttons missing . The mute button . And um , the to to uh have to uh numbers 1535.15 1535.98 1536.92 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1542.032 1543.76 1542.22 1543.65 Mute . And the other . 1543.12 1543.65 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1545.162 1549.744 1545.162 1549.744 Okay . But , uh 1549.02 1549.33 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1546.464 1548.725 1546.464 1548.6 Yeah . Not so difficult . 1547.5 1548.6 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1551.97 1556.457 1552.16 1556.29 Personally , I think two scroll buttons uh aren't easy to handle . 1552.63 1556.29 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1558.352 1560.08 1558.38 1559.91 But how do you wanna solve it ? 1559.91 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1560.625 1561.763 1560.7 1561.59 With the switch button . 1561.59 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1563.712 1565.74 1563.84 1565.58 Yeah but on the menu that's not uh easy . 1565.58 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1566.678 1570.461 1566.72 1570.27 Then you go down , you switch , you go into the right , you switch , you go down . 1567.61 1568.19 1569.16 1569.66 1570.27 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1566.584 1567.555 1566.72 1567.555 No like uh - TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1570.864 1575.52 1571.02 1575.52 Oh , you mean like that . Uh , then you can also have like uh th um 1571.31 1572.58 1572.68 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1572.352 1572.64 1572.37 1572.6 Yeah . 1572.6 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1576.048 1576.848 1576.15 1576.81 A joystick . 1576.81 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1576.976 1578.445 1577.07 1578.35 Yeah , and joystick , I think . 1577.26 1577.83 1578.35 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1579.392 1581.296 1579.42 1581.296 Yeah . But is it uh 1580.32 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1582.672 1587.072 1582.71 1587.04 Does that break , a joystick ? Or a small one just like in a laptop . 1583.5 1585.39 1587.04 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1587.566 1593.694 1587.66 1593.32 Yeah like in a laptop , s uh s some sort of thing . A little bit bigger , with easier thi 1588.46 1590.06 1591.83 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1592.56 1597.344 1592.58 1597.344 Mean , it's better . But how expensive it is ? 1592.73 1593.59 1596.8 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1597.845 1599.136 1597.9 1599.04 I don't know . 1599.04 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1599.126 1603.664 1599.126 1603.664 Oh . Why do I pay you for ? 1600.91 1603.54 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1604.88 1609.568 1604.9 1609.568 Um , well um 1606.9 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1612.248 1615.785 1612.248 1615.785 Better ideas . 1615.66 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1619.044 1619.848 1619.23 1619.56 Okay . 1619.56 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1620.08 1628.224 1620.1 1628.08 Or no scroll uh things . Just a shape . And No , no . It won't work . 1622.15 1624.9 1627.2 1627.63 1628.08 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1627.282 1630.396 1627.4 1630.25 For the young peoples I think scroll button's good . 1630.25 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1629.225 1631.066 1629.41 1630.82 Yeah . Uh-huh . 1630.36 1630.82 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1634.88 1635.425 1634.91 1635.425 So - TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1636.416 1637.702 1636.44 1637.6 Think we have to keep them . 1637.6 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1641.864 1644.074 1641.89 1643.91 Or a remote control more like joystick . 1643.91 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1645.402 1649.286 1645.49 1649.19 Yeah , but is it That's not expensive than uh Joystick is better . 1645.64 1649.19 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1650.352 1651.024 1650.39 1650.97 A small one . 1650.97 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1651.473 1654.304 1651.53 1654.1 A small one like this , like a Nintendo uh k 1652.46 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1654.56 1655.952 1654.58 1655.9 No just like in a - TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1656.16 1657.136 1656.18 1657.08 Playstation thing . 1657.08 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1657.222 1659.824 1657.32 1659.64 a laptop . Small , round . 1658.66 1659.06 1659.64 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1661.977 1662.72 1662.12 1662.54 Then it's - TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1664.528 1665.536 1664.55 1665.25 not so big . 1665.25 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1665.683 1671.241 1665.78 1671.15 No , no , no . I mean the the shape of the remote control . Just like a Playstation thing . 1665.98 1666.09 1666.27 1669.91 1671.15 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1668.512 1674.24 1668.53 1674.13 Oh the sh Yeah , but then you can You have to use t with one hand . 1670.31 1674.13 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1674.304 1674.768 1674.45 1674.73 Yeah . 1674.73 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1678.704 1679.22 1678.79 1679.22 So - TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1680.848 1687.792 1680.87 1687.57 Maybe , if it's possible , it's not too expensive , I think a joystick is better . A small one . 1681.45 1683.26 1684.9 1687.01 1687.57 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1688.704 1692.768 1688.72 1692.7 So , please look at it . 1691.26 1692.7 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1692.688 1693.878 1692.73 1693.878 No , that's okay , I got 1692.98 1693.48 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1712.192 1717.668 1712.27 1717.25 And on the L_C_D_ , how much it costs ? Uh , it costs extra ? 1714.96 1715.86 1716.5 1717.25 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1719.312 1721.824 1719.5 1721.73 Uh they're not uh - TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1724.128 1730.246 1724.15 1730.246 in details . It's more expensive or less expensive , huh ? 1725.08 1728.04 1729.59 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1727.024 1728.948 1727.11 1728.65 Yeah we I think you get it . 1728.65 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1734.54 1740.096 1734.7 1739.91 So , after this meeting you have half an hour to uh fix it . 1734.87 1739.91 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1740.336 1743.744 1740.336 1743.6 Then I have to come with it . 1743.6 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1744.316 1745.12 1744.51 1744.85 Yes . 1744.85 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1744.768 1747.648 1744.79 1747.61 I got my personal costs . I I don't I don't know the costs . 1745.89 1747.61 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1748.976 1752.118 1749.0 1752.0 Your problem . Not mine . 1751.3 1752.0 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1755.424 1757.333 1755.63 1757.14 Then I'll uh make something up . 1757.14 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1757.697 1762.24 1757.79 1761.86 Okay . So , do we have other concepts ? 1759.06 1760.58 1761.86 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1765.264 1767.248 1765.4 1767.08 Then for the components , 1767.08 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1768.48 1770.186 1768.61 1769.95 we use a normal battery . 1769.95 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 1772.605 1774.397 1772.71 1774.34 Mm , yeah . 1773.81 1774.34 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1772.704 1773.299 1772.72 1773.299 Then it's - TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1774.036 1775.576 1774.14 1775.29 Ch cheapest way , I think . 1775.0 1775.29 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1774.624 1780.752 1774.64 1780.65 Yeah , or the or the kinetic uh with normal battery . Yeah , I think it's uh , yeah , more expensive . Yeah . 1774.75 1777.5 1777.66 1778.32 1779.76 1780.41 1780.65 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1776.748 1782.56 1777.08 1782.44 No , no kinetic . Kinetic is uh ch makes it more expensive . So we use a normal battery . 1777.22 1777.96 1780.76 1782.44 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1780.765 1781.287 1780.82 1780.99 Yeah . 1780.99 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 1782.841 1783.545 1783.03 1783.49 Yeah . 1783.49 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1783.168 1783.648 1783.19 1783.51 Okay . 1783.51 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1783.129 1783.664 1783.24 1783.56 Yes . 1783.56 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1794.969 1797.84 1795.09 1797.67 Chip . Depends on the L_C_D_ . 1796.17 1797.67 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1797.904 1799.359 1797.92 1799.21 Depends on the scroll . 1799.21 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1800.224 1801.063 1800.29 1801.01 Scroll . 1801.01 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1800.864 1808.756 1800.88 1808.756 If we use a scroll , then we have the uh regular chip . If we don't use a scroll , then we can use the simple chip . And that's 1801.94 1804.6 1805.71 1807.81 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1807.726 1810.88 1807.91 1810.81 Yeah . And uh , we If you use the L_C_D_ , we have to 1808.53 1809.02 1810.22 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1810.8 1813.243 1810.82 1813.02 Uh the most expensive . Yeah . 1812.79 1813.02 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1812.48 1817.808 1812.5 1817.74 Yes , okay . So , depends on the L_C_D_ and the scroll . Okay . 1812.97 1813.76 1813.82 1817.2 1817.74 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1815.648 1825.664 1815.67 1825.62 If we Yeah . If we No okay scroll-wheel . So , I have this . So , it will be uh the advanced chip , or the uh regu uh or the regular chip . 1817.26 1818.83 1819.01 1819.79 1819.95 1821.62 1825.62 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1826.736 1831.664 1826.84 1831.52 Okay . So , uh the shapes of the 1828.39 1829.47 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1833.314 1834.252 1833.52 1834.2 design - TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1836.208 1838.96 1836.25 1838.87 depends on the L_C_D_ and But , 1838.87 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1840.208 1841.104 1840.23 1840.98 it has to be small . 1840.98 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1843.184 1843.889 1843.25 1843.7 I think . 1843.7 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1844.087 1849.392 1844.17 1849.25 Or shall we just put it on the pistol thing ? And then just put also on L_C_D_ on it ? 1847.23 1849.25 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1849.808 1853.029 1849.93 1852.85 If you have pistol , it L_C_D_'s not easy . 1850.89 1852.85 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1854.816 1858.08 1854.86 1858.08 Y y Yeah but - TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1855.174 1856.412 1855.38 1856.21 Just use your thumb . 1856.21 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1859.692 1861.032 1859.77 1860.96 If you use a phone . 1860.96 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1860.43 1863.109 1860.51 1862.88 If you Yeah . I use my thumb . 1862.03 1862.88 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1861.995 1869.024 1861.995 1869.024 k Yeah , but but then you have it . Like , th if you have pistol , you have it so . And the screen is 1863.2 1865.21 1865.41 1866.35 1868.03 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1867.904 1868.365 1867.94 1868.21 Yeah . 1868.21 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1869.796 1873.714 1869.82 1873.65 Well , then you have to keep it this way to look at the screen . 1869.92 1873.65 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1869.744 1871.264 1869.89 1871.264 If you have a joystick on - TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1873.713 1888.244 1873.86 1888.11 No , if you have like uh an uh uh a ni a uh Playstation uh game controller . And you move up , f forward , down , left . Then you have uh just , yeah , a little bit curved . It's not just uh straight . 1873.98 1879.91 1880.55 1881.28 1881.5 1881.91 1883.3 1883.76 1885.41 1888.11 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1879.171 1879.741 1879.28 1879.58 Yeah . 1879.58 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1887.504 1888.767 1887.53 1888.61 No . No , no . 1888.05 1888.22 1888.61 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1889.918 1893.802 1890.03 1893.7 That's how we use it . That's why they make joysticks like that , I think . 1891.23 1893.16 1893.7 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1890.694 1891.297 1890.9 1891.297 Uh - TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1895.062 1897.942 1895.33 1897.79 Yeah , but then you look forward . And then you can y 1895.46 1897.01 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1895.391 1896.547 1895.63 1896.547 Uh , yeah , but 1895.91 1896.05 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1897.478 1897.888 1897.57 1897.69 Yeah . 1897.69 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1899.44 1899.97 1899.46 1899.7 Yeah ? 1899.7 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1900.62 1903.616 1900.78 1903.42 N well , if you have to look at it . 1902.43 1903.42 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1901.801 1902.286 1901.93 1902.286 If you - TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1904.791 1906.465 1905.11 1906.19 'Kay . Here's our designer . 1905.37 1906.19 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1907.708 1912.83 1907.73 1912.45 If we have uh then something standing here , with the L_C_D_ . 1911.08 1912.45 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1914.635 1915.171 1914.71 1914.93 Yeah . 1914.93 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1916.472 1918.38 1916.66 1918.34 Then it goes like this . 1918.34 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1922.034 1923.039 1922.17 1922.73 Yeah , why not . 1922.35 1922.73 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1922.896 1925.244 1922.98 1925.244 If th n well - TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1926.368 1929.94 1926.39 1929.94 It's for the younger people . It's something new . 1928.24 1929.76 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1927.616 1933.623 1927.69 1933.52 Yes , of course . That's good good . But the um , it may not break . 1928.01 1930.1 1930.99 1932.38 1933.52 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 1930.029 1931.1 1930.05 1931.1 It's uh - TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1935.297 1938.032 1935.37 1937.8 Now we put uh rubber around it . 1937.8 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1938.096 1940.453 1938.14 1940.32 Okay . If that's possible . 1939.31 1940.32 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1939.888 1941.23 1939.95 1941.1 Um , Yeah . 1940.61 1941.1 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1940.544 1947.68 1940.56 1947.65 Hard plastic , uh the shape , and around it hard uh around it rubber . And the uh the hand shape is also rubber . 1941.47 1942.42 1945.19 1947.65 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1948.992 1949.536 1949.02 1949.43 Okay . 1949.43 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1950.069 1951.392 1950.069 1951.27 I can't see the . 1951.27 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 1950.064 1951.364 1950.12 1951.19 Or you can uh - TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 1952.4 1953.607 1952.44 1953.39 turn it inside . 1953.39 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1954.167 1959.859 1954.25 1959.8 But , uh the easy of uh , th the ease of use wasn't uh the most important uh aspect of it . 1954.63 1955.98 1959.8 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 1954.836 1955.694 1954.97 1955.694 But that's - TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1961.296 1961.721 1961.34 1961.54 Huh . 1961.54 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 1961.824 1963.116 1961.88 1962.75 No , that's true . 1962.26 1962.75 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1963.536 1965.392 1963.56 1965.392 Uh , for us it's about to sell it . Uh 1963.65 1965.21 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1966.24 1968.736 1966.24 1968.59 Yeah of course . Okay . 1968.19 1968.59 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1966.744 1968.016 1966.89 1967.76 This is something new . 1967.76 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1970.736 1984.304 1970.76 1984.25 Then this is the design . And the buttons are on the next page . So , depends on the cost . So , um we have one minute . 1973.57 1976.01 1976.14 1978.68 1981.52 1984.25 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1979.76 1983.264 1979.78 1983.264 Costs are okay . 1983.22 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 1981.697 1983.067 1981.697 1983.067 . 1983.067 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1985.312 1985.648 1985.33 1985.55 One . 1985.55 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1986.285 1988.763 1986.32 1988.71 I think . No . More . Seven . 1986.85 1987.81 1988.13 1988.71 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 1986.35 1989.12 1986.53 1989.03 No . You have more . You have still ten . 1986.9 1988.22 1989.03 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1991.14 1995.292 1991.31 1995.22 Next meeting . Thirty minutes . So hurry up . 1992.78 1993.84 1995.22 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 1997.435 1999.042 1997.46 1998.74 Oh , that's us together . 1997.8 1998.74 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 1998.864 2002.768 1998.88 2002.48 You two stay here . Paint it . 2001.92 2002.48 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 2003.024 2003.703 2003.05 2003.44 Okay . 2003.44 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 2003.776 2004.528 2003.8 2004.42 Now you have to . 2004.42 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 2005.444 2006.247 2005.59 2006.247 So - TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 2008.656 2013.144 2008.68 2013.144 I think it's clear . Check your mail . So 2010.63 2012.53 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 2013.792 2014.128 2013.81 2014.04 Yeah . 2014.04 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 2014.31 2014.946 2014.41 2014.82 Yes . 2014.82 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 2014.672 2021.536 2014.93 2021.536 It has to be ready in the next meeting . So 2019.81 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 2019.76 2020.058 2019.87 2020.02 What ? 2020.02 TS3010c B MTD039UID 1 2020.304 2021.041 2020.32 2020.73 Cookie . 2020.73 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 2021.456 2022.134 2021.5 2021.86 Okay . 2021.86 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 2024.766 2029.984 2024.87 2029.984 Next meeting is called the detailed design . So 2029.4 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 2031.568 2033.312 2031.59 2033.27 Everyth everything has to be ready . 2033.27 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 2036.352 2037.153 2036.39 2036.69 Okay . 2036.69 TS3010c A MTD037PM 0 2036.752 2039.528 2036.86 2039.528 Thanks for your attention . 2039.19 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 2038.352 2038.926 2038.37 2038.7 'Kay . 2038.7 TS3010c D MTD040ME 3 2048.888 2050.696 2048.97 2050.41 See you at the next meeting . 2050.41 TS3010c C MTD038ID 2 2050.654 2051.726 2050.79 2051.51 Bye bye . 2051.51 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 8.568 22.254 8.64 22.254 Okay . So , now um , last time . Can you uh push the button ? One time please . So 10.46 10.77 12.8 14.89 18.59 21.36 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 24.308 26.18 24.43 25.81 I'm still the secretary . 25.81 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 27.348 33.55 27.37 33.3 Now uh , I ask you to presentate the prototype . One of your you two . 28.2 31.62 33.3 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 34.942 36.401 35.16 36.401 I don't care . 36.28 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 36.516 37.837 36.68 37.75 Oh this , you mean ? 37.08 37.75 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 37.364 37.84 37.38 37.75 Huh ? 37.75 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 37.292 39.213 37.53 39.01 Yes . The prototype . 38.21 39.01 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 38.996 39.892 39.02 39.86 Yes , well uh 39.29 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 41.172 41.827 41.2 41.73 this is it . 41.73 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 42.596 43.972 42.596 43.94 This is it . 43.94 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 43.427 45.179 43.64 45.179 Well , thank you . Uh , now 43.83 44.34 44.45 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 44.286 49.455 44.4 49.33 It's uh it's uh it's yellow . And uh , this is rubber . 46.91 48.51 49.33 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 50.548 52.085 50.57 51.94 And and and this too . 51.94 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 53.348 54.068 53.37 53.94 The - TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 55.444 58.388 55.46 58.35 the sides . And the rest is hard plastic . 57.1 58.35 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 56.516 56.932 56.54 56.82 Yes . 56.82 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 60.372 61.354 60.39 61.354 And uh - TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 62.404 74.116 62.43 74.08 We uh we had some uh We had a new idea that that this can uh can be uh uh turned inside . And then it covers the these buttons 71.83 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 74.628 75.363 74.67 75.15 Okay . 75.15 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 75.415 80.996 75.44 80.95 until here or something . And then you can still use the the power button and the mute and the the joystick . 76.61 80.95 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 75.428 75.959 75.45 75.78 Yes . 75.78 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 81.508 82.121 81.54 81.96 Mm-hmm . 81.96 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 81.988 85.972 82.01 85.87 So , you can still operate uh all the things . Because you don't always use the menu . 82.14 84.13 85.87 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 87.94 89.028 87.96 88.9 And then it can break . 88.9 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 90.468 93.042 90.54 92.8 Okay . And the buttons ? 92.04 92.8 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 94.564 95.812 94.58 95.812 Uh , well uh 94.98 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 96.068 97.204 96.1 97.204 Big . 96.75 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 97.332 107.716 97.37 107.57 Big buttons . And everything is blue , except the power button . And the mute . Of uh yeah , and the mute and the the other button . Yeah . 98.17 99.25 101.3 102.85 103.3 107.22 107.57 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 108.948 110.726 108.97 110.58 Channel higher channel button . 110.58 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 108.99 109.363 108.99 109.363 . 109.363 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 110.372 110.898 110.39 110.69 Yeah . 110.69 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 111.908 116.01 111.93 115.86 And the joystick is for the volume and the channels . 115.86 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 115.828 117.908 115.85 117.908 Uh , yes . Yes , that's uh 116.13 116.67 116.96 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 116.093 116.902 116.14 116.43 Yes . 116.43 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 119.62 120.724 119.66 120.55 Very obvious . 120.55 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 120.004 125.844 120.05 125.31 Up is channel up . Down is channel down . To the right is volume up . To the left is volume down . 121.37 122.56 123.91 125.31 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 125.796 126.421 125.82 126.17 Yeah . 126.17 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 126.756 129.764 126.93 129.66 Okay , so if joystick and L_C_D_ . 127.33 129.66 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 131.236 133.933 131.26 133.72 What's the R_R_ d - TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 135.458 136.773 135.71 136.55 The R_R_ ? 136.55 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 135.758 139.803 136.14 139.59 R_R_'s the l the the the the company uh logo . 139.59 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 138.58 140.772 138.61 140.67 Okay . Very good . 140.15 140.67 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 141.78 143.135 141.8 143.135 So , we have 142.31 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 142.164 144.252 142.18 144.02 That's on the rub rubber part . 144.02 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 145.172 147.844 145.19 147.8 Uh , yes . Yes . That's about here . 145.57 146.19 146.86 147.8 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 148.215 165.946 148.37 165.946 So , what they say on the side is put fashion there . Yes . It's good . So , that's it . That's prototype . Now , the finance . 148.79 154.12 155.2 156.93 158.91 160.82 162.73 164.25 165.78 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 155.865 156.436 156.05 156.24 Oh . 156.24 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 157.284 157.765 157.3 157.51 Yeah ? 157.51 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 165.946 174.676 167.02 174.5 We don't know if it's th it if it's okay . So , I'm gonna look . We have Sorry ? 170.05 171.94 172.68 174.5 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 168.164 169.323 168.18 169.323 Alright . 169.25 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 172.036 173.556 172.06 173.556 Do we Do we change the - TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 174.676 181.286 174.7 181.03 Do we change the the order ? Or are we going to uh ev evaluate it first ? 177.64 181.03 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 178.628 180.676 178.65 180.676 Finance is um Yeah it's - TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 181.108 182.644 181.3 182.644 No , first uh 181.71 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 185.252 188.948 185.27 188.68 Yes . We have to evaluate the product yet . Sorry . 185.81 188.3 188.68 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 187.152 196.132 187.24 196.04 Okay . That's uh um That can be none . 188.9 196.04 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 204.708 213.06 204.75 212.87 Um , we gonna do the evaluation now , together . But I have uh a introduction how it works . So , it will come up . 205.16 206.99 207.61 211.51 211.71 212.87 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 217.348 220.472 217.43 220.28 Uh-oh . Okay . 219.95 220.28 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 221.636 238.096 221.67 237.32 Um , yeah . Well , we uh uh , I have um thinked a few evaluation uh criterias , uh based on um our marketing strategy , on uh the latest trends , on user preferences . 222.42 222.63 223.6 224.62 229.64 233.62 235.85 237.32 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 238.096 260.377 239.03 260.08 Uh , we have a seven point scale from uh true , as well . To false , seven ? And on base of each c uh criteria , we need to um give a rating . We can uh Well , it look like this . But we gonna uh do it here , they said . So , you hope found out how to do it with a Word document . 239.79 242.47 243.21 243.72 244.79 246.98 249.59 250.85 251.48 254.53 255.5 255.64 260.08 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 267.001 267.776 267.26 267.5 Yeah . 267.5 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 277.508 285.304 277.53 285.12 Okay , yeah . Yeah . Um , well uh we have the Word document 277.87 279.0 281.63 282.63 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 287.775 288.753 287.88 288.28 Criteria . 288.28 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 288.987 295.14 289.01 295.14 You So we open up that blank here . Um 294.36 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 299.268 306.836 299.29 306.67 Think I can Uh , what this just an example . So , this not very important . But um , if I can 301.69 303.35 303.51 304.58 305.75 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 308.436 309.718 308.46 309.55 get a number in here . 309.55 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 314.42 314.884 314.44 314.66 Hmm . 314.66 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 315.7 316.916 315.74 316.79 No , it's okay . 316.06 316.79 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 316.276 318.24 316.3 318.12 Well , uh we can't do that . 316.49 318.12 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 317.547 318.628 317.75 318.57 I'll get it . 318.57 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 318.628 319.848 318.66 319.28 Oh , it's okay . 318.83 319.28 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 319.396 329.444 319.42 329.39 Um , so uh you have to think of it as uh the remote control is techno technologically innovative . 321.3 329.39 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 330.612 333.409 330.63 333.26 Uh , and then we have to uh agree on the rating together . 330.9 333.26 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 334.404 337.092 334.6 336.98 And in the end , we will c uh count an average 335.16 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 338.324 341.332 338.34 340.92 of all rating . The first uh on each item . 339.03 340.92 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 343.461 344.607 343.66 344.36 What do you think ? 344.36 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 345.492 354.74 345.51 354.65 Yeah , I think it's uh Uh , well technologically using , it's not uh it doesn't contain many new features . Only the L_C_D_ . 345.66 348.55 349.97 353.52 354.65 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 355.972 363.489 356.1 363.23 So , it Um , I think I will give it a yeah , yeah , yeah , a four . Hmm . 356.46 358.31 361.54 361.76 362.23 363.03 363.23 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 364.917 369.332 365.11 369.14 I think the scroll-button is something also uh new . 369.14 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 370.303 380.212 370.41 380.06 What uh not anoth uh , not a lot of uh a lot of uh remote controls have . I think technologically I'll give it an 372.74 376.13 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 382.036 384.831 382.06 384.69 seven . Si six six . Sorry , six . 382.76 383.77 384.12 384.69 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 383.725 384.904 383.725 384.73 Yeah . 384.73 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 383.828 392.225 383.87 391.93 So now i I think you uh see it um its statement . And you true or false . And true is one . 389.31 391.21 391.93 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 389.584 394.539 389.76 394.29 Oh , true or false . Oh , uh I'll I'll give it uh a t a two . Sorry . 389.93 390.85 391.14 393.93 394.29 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 392.225 394.214 392.37 394.09 So , yeah . Yeah . 392.8 393.71 394.09 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 393.908 394.326 393.93 394.21 Two . 394.21 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 395.556 395.972 395.58 395.81 You ? 395.81 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 396.356 397.152 396.44 396.76 Three . 396.76 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 398.539 400.056 398.63 399.88 Me too . So it's a three . 399.13 399.88 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 401.06 403.921 401.1 403.921 'Kay . Um , well 402.51 403.25 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 408.756 411.342 408.78 411.1 It's a one . The first item . 410.3 411.1 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 412.436 417.646 412.52 417.36 So , okay the second item . Um , this product is for all sorts of customers . 413.08 414.11 414.86 417.36 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 419.172 419.924 419.21 419.924 Mm - TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 419.844 433.46 419.86 433.38 Well , it's a statement which uh I disagree with , because we uh really aim uh at at young market and I think the way it looked uh c uh totally in yellow , it's not uh really aimed for all customers . It doesn't look like that . 420.1 422.66 430.0 432.36 433.38 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 434.596 435.904 434.76 435.904 So it's a - TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 435.892 437.368 436.2 437.16 That's uh a six . 437.16 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 438.276 439.235 438.4 438.86 Five . 438.86 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 441.478 442.548 441.65 442.35 Mm , four . 441.88 442.35 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 443.668 444.944 443.7 444.8 Yes , it's for the 443.95 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 445.956 450.0 446.0 449.88 younger g group . So it's uh half half of the people . 447.91 449.88 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 447.714 448.86 447.85 448.86 Yeah , but it's it's 448.09 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 451.22 453.444 451.27 453.37 So I think it's four . 453.37 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 453.364 460.927 453.39 460.78 Yeah . I mean it still has l large buttons and not m many buttons . So I mean , the colours are for young people , but 454.34 458.34 459.44 460.59 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 458.244 459.039 458.4 458.99 Mm-hmm . 458.99 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 458.461 459.101 458.6 458.93 No . 458.93 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 461.14 463.092 461.18 462.98 Yes . So , I think it's four . 461.63 462.18 462.98 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 462.107 462.788 462.28 462.788 older - TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 464.228 464.736 464.25 464.48 Yeah . 464.48 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 464.356 470.548 464.38 470.548 Maybe version uh three point O_ uh has other colours . 470.42 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 467.604 470.5 467.604 470.43 Yeah . Maybe . 469.77 470.43 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 470.468 473.006 470.49 472.94 Okay . Give it a four . Yep . 470.98 472.61 472.94 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 471.924 472.589 471.94 472.4 Four . 472.4 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 472.42 476.39 472.44 476.12 Four . Uh , okay . Mm . 473.31 473.86 475.77 476.12 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 479.579 482.31 479.7 481.5 We put the fashion in electronics . 481.5 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 481.652 483.812 481.67 483.67 That's uh the motto of our company . 483.67 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 485.092 487.733 485.17 487.4 Yeah , well do we do this with uh this product ? 485.33 487.4 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 493.652 504.532 493.67 504.47 I um Yeah . I think if we do this , as it's uh uh c uh it's really orientates on the design . Um , so I would give it a two . 495.06 497.32 503.09 503.53 504.47 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 507.287 510.916 507.35 510.76 Me too a two , because only the battery is not uh 508.26 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 512.26 518.141 512.28 517.96 techin uh technologically high standard . But the rest of it is . So , I think a two . 515.18 517.1 517.27 517.96 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 520.725 521.635 520.95 521.4 Yes . Two . 521.15 521.4 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 522.436 523.008 522.46 522.94 Two . 522.94 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 522.788 526.833 522.87 526.58 Uh , I say uh a five . It's not fashion , it's new . 523.06 525.46 526.13 526.58 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 528.468 529.892 528.54 529.84 It must be a fashion . 529.84 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 530.884 536.724 531.04 536.63 But it isn't . Yes . It w If it's not a fashion 533.2 533.82 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 531.098 533.529 531.13 533.12 It it will be fashion . 533.12 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 538.02 544.468 538.04 544.23 we can put it in it . So , it must be a fashion . I think it's a five . 539.75 541.55 543.18 544.23 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 549.876 551.3 549.94 550.93 Uh Okay . 550.93 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 552.115 553.463 552.19 553.36 Then make it th three . 553.36 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 552.385 556.261 552.66 556.15 Okay . Yes , I'll think of that too . Yeah , agree ? 553.52 553.99 555.55 555.85 556.15 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 554.388 559.593 554.44 559.593 No . Oh . I use my feet though . 555.27 556.4 559.32 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 554.933 556.416 555.05 556.29 'Kay . Three is okay . 555.53 556.29 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 557.792 561.534 557.792 561.22 Oh , we'll wait outside . 560.28 561.22 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 561.332 564.452 561.332 564.34 A three . 564.34 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 565.408 566.183 565.54 565.99 Okay . 565.99 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 565.961 567.068 566.29 567.03 Yeah okay . 567.03 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 569.908 583.108 570.03 583.05 The next element um is the product looks good . Well personally , I do not prefer a um remote control that's fully in yellow . So , I would give this a five . 576.0 576.96 581.91 582.06 583.05 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 585.284 588.868 585.33 588.868 I give it a one . 588.58 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 588.964 589.716 588.964 589.716 . 589.716 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 592.109 593.963 592.21 593.76 Yes , a one . I like it . 592.48 593.13 593.76 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 596.468 603.748 596.52 603.748 Well , I say three . So , counting then is two and a half . 596.79 598.91 600.03 603.56 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 603.668 608.714 603.69 608.29 We have to do our uh Two or three ? Two . Okay . 607.23 608.05 608.29 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 605.22 607.562 605.24 607.46 Say two . Two . 606.91 607.46 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 606.278 607.29 606.48 607.19 Okay , two . 606.79 607.19 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 612.292 618.629 612.33 618.42 So , well we gonna do the next part . Uh , yep . 613.22 616.73 618.24 618.42 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 619.844 632.42 619.87 632.39 Uh uh , the next statement . It has not too much buttons . Um , yeah , I I have uh said is not because uh a low number is better . And in the end we calculate an average . 620.59 621.45 623.72 624.73 625.11 630.62 632.39 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 633.444 637.422 633.53 637.31 So , um that's why it's a negative in it . 633.89 637.31 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 639.348 655.469 639.38 654.92 Um , well this one of our aims not have too much buttons . So , um uh did we uh do that ? Well , uh if we go to uh this fashion , I We still have caused uh a lot of uh buttons for the numbers . 640.91 643.02 643.32 646.36 646.62 650.75 654.92 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 655.469 663.028 655.77 662.95 But you can you can go for that . And um that way , you don't have a lot of buttons over . So , I would give this a two . 657.08 658.72 661.66 661.76 662.95 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 663.972 664.436 663.99 664.32 One . 664.32 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 667.076 668.065 667.076 667.86 You ? 667.86 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 669.012 670.072 669.1 670.072 One . 669.8 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 669.908 670.98 670.02 670.86 Me too . One . 670.55 670.86 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 671.22 671.818 671.24 671.75 One . 671.75 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 674.468 678.644 674.468 678.58 Um , but where where is the ? 676.36 678.58 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 681.161 682.677 681.27 682.4 Next , six . 681.86 682.4 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 685.684 687.844 685.73 687.76 It does not get lost easily . 687.76 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 685.811 686.221 685.84 686.221 So - TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 690.278 692.836 690.43 692.43 Yeah , did we implement uh the sound ? 690.59 692.43 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 695.316 702.193 695.316 702.193 Uh Just a small thing . 701.57 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 697.561 698.707 697.74 698.707 Yes . 698.57 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 701.78 710.005 701.82 709.89 No , we did not . So , but can it get lost if it's such a thing ? I don't think so . 702.77 704.19 705.39 708.98 709.89 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 703.679 704.792 703.89 704.792 Yeah , but uh 704.04 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 707.421 708.095 707.54 707.97 Yeah . 707.97 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 708.404 712.452 708.44 712.452 Ah . Yellow . Looks like a pistol . Uh 709.81 710.63 712.03 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 711.124 714.758 711.14 714.758 Yes . Not a not a normal shapes . So 711.88 714.3 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 714.724 718.069 714.74 718.03 It won't get between uh the pillows uh on the couch . 718.03 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 716.376 716.881 716.44 716.71 No . 716.71 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 717.522 719.679 717.57 719.679 It won't get lost . So 719.28 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 717.597 718.194 717.69 718.01 Yeah . 718.01 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 719.508 719.94 719.55 719.94 Uh - TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 719.828 720.484 719.85 720.34 It won't . 720.34 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 721.204 722.299 721.22 722.299 A one ? 722.22 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 723.62 725.217 723.96 725.18 Yeah , o one . 724.26 725.18 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 723.971 724.578 724.12 724.49 Yeah . 724.49 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 724.628 726.886 724.65 726.73 Okay , a one . Next . 725.03 726.39 726.73 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 725.636 726.126 725.67 725.96 One . 725.96 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 729.319 741.508 729.38 741.39 Okay , um well we aimed for the younger market . Uh yeah , did we achieve that . I think with the way it looks and um it is designed , I will give it a two . 729.78 733.61 734.39 736.39 740.59 741.39 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 742.372 743.316 742.44 743.316 Yeah me - TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 744.388 745.745 744.42 745.66 Yeah . Me too . 744.93 745.66 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 745.38 748.468 745.4 748.33 That was our target . Two . 748.16 748.33 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 750.228 751.998 750.35 751.55 Two . Yeah ? Yeah . 750.88 751.22 751.55 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 750.74 751.196 750.76 751.02 Yeah . 751.02 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 750.836 753.094 750.98 752.99 Yep . Right . 752.46 752.99 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 754.036 755.716 754.06 755.59 There's a fancy look-and-feel . 755.59 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 756.868 768.116 756.93 767.89 Uh , yes . That that was uh , yeah , one of the most important things that uh Trendwatch said . I didn't uh say it in my presentation . But um , well does it have that ? 757.33 757.89 759.17 759.31 762.47 765.85 766.99 767.89 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 770.532 772.988 770.56 772.988 I would say yes . So um 771.78 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 774.388 776.532 774.41 776.37 Well , let's also give this a two . T 774.54 776.31 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 777.531 787.364 777.61 787.3 I gave this a one because of the rubber . It feels soft . Uh , it looks like a l uh uh b uh , a bit like a joystick . It's Yeah . Yeah , f very fancy trendy . 780.02 781.62 781.87 783.13 784.48 785.22 785.51 787.3 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 788.964 789.514 788.99 789.37 Okay . 789.37 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 790.135 791.011 790.24 790.79 Yes , a one . 790.52 790.79 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 791.332 792.379 791.53 792.2 I say a two . 792.2 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 794.226 799.668 794.28 799.55 It's a a bit personal . If it's fancy . So I think s two is better . 796.77 798.05 799.55 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 796.442 796.815 796.59 796.74 Yeah . 796.74 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 799.421 800.365 799.62 800.12 Yeah , okay . 799.87 800.12 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 800.516 809.156 800.54 809.03 Okay . Two . And um , then the last one I could think of , uh it goes with the latest trends . 801.17 802.86 804.58 806.52 809.03 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 800.916 803.154 800.94 803.06 Two is okay . . 803.06 803.06 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 812.967 816.27 813.12 816.12 No , it's new . Innovation . 813.54 815.34 816.12 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 817.892 831.236 817.92 831.236 If we looked at the latest trends for the uh younger people , and they ate uh fruit and vegetables , well it has a um a nice colour , uh well compared to food but we didn't uh 822.29 824.61 827.8 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 832.372 840.692 832.47 840.65 We did not paint any uh fruit and vegetable on it for something like that . So , I would did not give this uh a one or two . I We'll go for a three . 836.19 836.38 838.38 840.65 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 835.764 836.508 835.82 836.38 Oh . 836.38 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 842.82 855.076 843.03 855.076 I go for two because uh the the shapes are still round . Uh , the latest trends are soft things , you know , like uh I said in my presentation . Uh 848.92 848.99 851.02 851.43 854.42 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 843.066 844.069 843.066 844.069 . 844.069 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 854.212 854.687 854.23 854.48 Yes . 854.48 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 856.1 865.988 856.12 865.92 But the the colours are um basic , like yellow , red , um blue . Something what also younger people want . It's also a trend , so I'll give it a two . 859.82 860.5 860.91 861.73 864.3 865.09 865.92 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 867.313 868.257 867.52 867.97 Okay . 867.97 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 869.635 871.32 869.85 871.05 Mm , three . 870.69 871.05 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 871.94 873.204 872.1 873.03 Me too . Three . 872.74 873.03 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 874.724 875.771 874.81 875.24 A three . 875.24 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 875.268 875.828 875.35 875.77 Yeah . 875.77 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 879.3 892.513 879.39 892.48 Okay . So um , come back to the presentation now . So , we find yourself there , and now we have to calculate an average rating . So , we will do that . Yes . 879.97 883.07 886.51 886.75 887.74 890.75 890.89 892.17 892.48 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 890.809 901.204 890.91 900.94 Effort is three , ten and twelve . Thirty , forty , fifty , . Twenty one . So , it's uh two and three nine two and one third . 892.12 893.16 893.43 893.98 895.66 895.66 897.2 897.5 900.94 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 897.604 898.345 897.62 898.26 By nine . 898.26 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 902.499 903.342 902.66 902.99 Two . 902.99 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 903.252 908.58 903.27 908.58 Yeah . Um , uh okay . 905.92 906.52 908.48 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 911.956 912.58 911.98 912.39 Two . 912.39 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 916.276 916.81 916.3 916.64 Yep . 916.64 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 916.533 919.172 916.59 919.172 Come on . 918.61 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 917.687 918.631 917.87 918.48 Uh , nah . 918.24 918.48 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 921.268 922.228 921.54 922.19 Okay . 922.19 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 924.69 927.05 924.71 926.86 So uh , that's a pretty low rating , I think . 925.25 926.43 926.86 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 927.828 929.365 927.828 929.25 Yes . 929.25 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 929.54 930.462 929.58 930.3 So , it's good . 929.81 930.3 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 930.564 937.044 930.59 937.044 So , according to our uh own evaluation uh we did a good job . 930.83 936.84 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 936.205 937.655 936.29 937.42 Okay . Thank you . 936.92 937.42 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 937.236 938.26 937.29 938.21 Yeah , I think . 937.54 938.21 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 941.652 944.74 941.7 944.66 Oh . Nah . How am I doing ? Yes . 942.42 943.27 944.4 944.66 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 946.675 948.516 946.7 948.38 And I closed your slide-show . 948.38 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 946.79 949.823 946.85 949.823 Okay . Back to my uh 947.56 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 949.588 952.948 949.99 952.79 Which one was the last for you ? Uh , dreaming . 951.61 952.3 952.79 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 953.127 953.812 953.24 953.71 Yep . 953.71 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 962.388 972.688 962.51 972.51 Next please . So , now uh we have a product . Very happy . But uh , is it cheap enough ? 965.17 965.5 968.37 969.9 971.55 972.51 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 963.604 964.516 963.62 964.27 Next . 964.27 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 965.568 966.564 965.68 966.45 Finance . 966.45 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 974.964 982.564 974.98 982.48 Um , so if uh I'll have a look . We have a battery . One battery . 976.7 979.06 981.75 982.48 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 983.7 984.309 983.8 984.12 Mm-hmm . 984.12 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 984.468 986.017 984.49 985.25 Cheapest there is . 985.25 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 985.7 989.652 985.72 989.56 Okay , one battery . Electronics . Advanced chip . 986.02 987.53 988.67 989.56 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 990.404 991.545 990.52 991.29 Expensive . 991.29 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 991.62 994.74 991.64 994.55 Yeah it's the most advanced . Chip-on-print . 993.72 994.55 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 995.988 996.94 996.02 996.79 We have that one . 996.79 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 998.742 1000.629 998.92 1000.35 Well , it's the most advanced . 999.05 1000.35 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 999.716 1001.588 999.74 1001.54 We have the simple , regular and advanced . 1000.45 1001.54 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1002.196 1003.258 1002.22 1002.87 Advanced . 1002.87 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1002.964 1010.312 1002.98 1009.99 We have the adva advanced . 'Kay , so uncurved or flat . Nope . Single curved or double curved ? We have double curved . 1005.08 1005.29 1006.53 1007.12 1008.84 1009.99 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1018.532 1018.975 1018.62 1018.975 So - TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1021.734 1028.644 1021.81 1028.54 Then we have plastic , wood , rubber . we have half rubber , half plastic . 1024.92 1025.39 1026.46 1027.83 1028.54 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 1029.309 1030.276 1029.58 1030.24 Mm , yes . 1029.85 1030.24 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1032.655 1035.048 1032.78 1034.98 No titanium . Special colour . 1033.9 1034.98 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1037.509 1038.587 1037.61 1038.44 Yes , yellow . 1038.01 1038.44 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 1037.94 1038.444 1037.96 1038.18 Yeah . 1038.18 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1037.915 1039.297 1037.97 1039.297 Uh , yellow . 1038.23 1038.9 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 1039.028 1039.657 1039.07 1039.42 Mm , yeah . 1039.23 1039.42 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1040.61 1042.932 1040.72 1042.81 Interface , push-button . 1042.14 1042.81 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1044.596 1053.892 1044.62 1053.75 Scroll-wheel , integrated scroll-wheel push push-button , or L_C_D_ display . So , we have the L_C_D_ 1045.49 1048.04 1052.5 1052.75 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1055.076 1058.787 1055.41 1058.68 We have two scroll-wheels ? Or one ? 1058.08 1058.68 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1058.325 1059.134 1058.47 1058.78 One . 1058.78 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 1059.028 1059.46 1059.07 1059.34 One . 1059.34 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1059.562 1061.517 1059.74 1061.37 And it's not really a s - TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1060.651 1062.606 1060.8 1062.35 Joystick uh thing . 1062.35 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 1061.46 1062.023 1061.46 1062.023 . 1062.023 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1062.292 1074.116 1062.31 1073.93 Yeah , it's this one . Now , uh button supplement . Special colour . We already Uh , that's the from the for the buttons . The buttons are regular colour . 1062.63 1064.64 1065.58 1066.97 1068.18 1069.53 1071.87 1073.93 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 1074.468 1075.377 1074.51 1075.04 Mm , yeah . 1074.59 1075.04 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1077.966 1082.484 1077.99 1082.484 So , then uh then then then then then then 1078.39 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1084.34 1085.396 1084.39 1085.396 Then - TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1088.692 1092.148 1088.692 1092.148 We're not gonna make it . 1091.84 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1090.996 1093.623 1091.06 1093.29 Uh , no . It's too expensive . 1091.15 1092.37 1093.29 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1093.236 1095.803 1093.26 1095.63 Yeah . Wh 1093.85 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1095.22 1114.932 1095.24 1114.88 So , we have to change something . Fifteen Euros . Yeah , well uh when we lose one scroll-wheel , it's okay . 'Cause we can't lose the battery . We can't lose the advanced chip . We can't lose the double curve . 1096.61 1099.81 1102.08 1102.31 1105.06 1108.92 1110.99 1113.32 1114.88 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1096.466 1098.556 1096.64 1098.52 What what are the costs ? 1098.52 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1100.949 1101.96 1101.13 1101.9 Fifteen . 1101.9 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1116.461 1119.932 1116.56 1119.7 We have rubber , special colour . 1118.65 1119.7 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 1116.62 1117.067 1116.62 1117.067 . 1117.067 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 1117.744 1119.825 1117.86 1119.57 We would have uh n - TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1121.076 1125.202 1121.1 1124.74 A special colour . Uh , I don't think it's a very special colour . 1121.87 1122.17 1124.74 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1122.022 1124.281 1122.15 1124.281 Oh , no , we No , it's uh 1122.36 1122.67 1123.71 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1125.899 1126.628 1126.14 1126.56 Sorry ? 1126.56 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1126.74 1128.775 1126.76 1128.43 Yellow ? Uh , is it a special colour ? 1127.41 1127.48 1128.43 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 1129.268 1134.452 1129.29 1134.452 For a remote control . I've For a remote control , I think it is . 1131.14 1133.05 1133.83 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1131.044 1132.213 1131.044 1132.13 What ? 1132.13 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1133.604 1135.028 1133.62 1135.028 Yeah . 1134.88 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 1135.572 1139.972 1135.6 1139.94 If we would have uh uh normal buttons instead of uh the joystick . 1139.94 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 1141.348 1142.706 1141.37 1142.45 For up down left right . 1142.45 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1141.38 1145.227 1141.59 1145.09 Um , then we uh lose 1142.71 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1146.5 1150.468 1146.52 1150.43 two Euros . Then we have thirteen Euros . Half a Euro too much . 1147.24 1148.77 1150.43 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1154.628 1156.659 1154.65 1156.42 Exactly the special colours . 1156.42 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1161.62 1166.292 1161.73 1166.292 And what if we use only one sort of um - TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1161.715 1162.659 1161.91 1162.659 So - TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1168.5 1172.629 1168.59 1172.46 Um just only plastic or only rubber ? 1172.46 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1172.292 1174.505 1172.31 1174.45 That's one Euro . 1174.45 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1175.876 1177.247 1175.91 1176.9 One Euro discount . 1176.9 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1179.956 1181.82 1180.0 1181.64 So , I don't think that's good . 1180.12 1181.64 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1183.652 1184.708 1183.82 1184.708 Mm - TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1191.63 1193.787 1191.76 1193.52 I think we have to keep the L_C_D_ . 1193.52 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1195.972 1196.644 1196.01 1196.644 If - TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1199.108 1206.98 1199.13 1206.94 If we change the joyst uh the joystick thing into a button up , button down , button right , button left . 1205.24 1205.83 1206.32 1206.94 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1206.804 1207.572 1207.02 1207.28 Yes . 1207.28 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1208.964 1210.035 1209.1 1209.9 Then it's - TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1212.324 1214.484 1212.34 1214.35 only thirteen Euros . 1214.35 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1215.001 1219.044 1215.001 1218.47 And then we'll lose fifty cent in what ? 1218.47 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1219.028 1220.132 1219.12 1220.06 So uh yeah . 1220.06 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1223.236 1227.706 1223.26 1227.59 Yeah . Then you have Or you have to cut this off . 1223.87 1227.59 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1225.508 1227.364 1225.66 1227.0 Uh uh-uh . 1227.0 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1230.58 1238.737 1230.76 1238.61 Then it's not good anymore . So , wait . Okay . I'll have a look . 1234.61 1235.37 1236.13 1237.37 1238.61 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1232.644 1233.53 1232.66 1233.37 No . 1233.37 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1241.172 1244.635 1241.172 1244.635 We - TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1243.348 1252.484 1243.94 1252.484 And if you say it's just a r uh normal colour it's a normal colour , wh No one will see it . 1247.89 1252.16 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1250.501 1251.764 1250.8 1251.55 Yellow rubber . 1251.55 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1252.772 1253.805 1252.79 1253.71 Yeah , normal . 1253.08 1253.71 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1254.851 1262.068 1254.9 1261.89 Normal colour , and the the joystick away , and put the button up , button down , right , left . 1255.67 1258.43 1260.18 1261.01 1261.26 1261.89 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1263.125 1264.756 1263.22 1264.756 Uh - TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1263.988 1266.379 1264.04 1266.14 And it's twelve Euros , I think . 1265.61 1266.14 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1267.156 1278.091 1267.63 1278.091 One minute , please . Uh Is it maximum . Um 1268.51 1270.58 1277.31 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1286.367 1287.951 1286.55 1287.74 Yeah , it's normal colour . 1286.76 1287.74 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1292.548 1293.876 1292.59 1293.83 But if you lose the - TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1295.124 1298.532 1295.19 1298.34 joystick , it's still uh an advanced chip ? 1296.59 1298.34 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1300.212 1304.9 1300.23 1304.9 No . Uh , no , no , no . Uh 1300.9 1301.55 1301.96 1302.28 1303.8 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1301.4 1303.604 1301.53 1303.47 Or it's then a regular ? 1303.47 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1306.596 1308.308 1306.67 1307.97 Oh , wait wait wait . 1306.8 1307.97 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 1308.484 1310.836 1308.5 1310.77 The advanced chip was for the L_C_D_ wasn't it ? 1310.77 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 1311.604 1312.068 1311.64 1312.0 Yeah . 1312.0 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1312.196 1312.93 1312.26 1312.71 Oh yeah . 1312.71 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1313.46 1317.833 1313.52 1317.64 So , the advanced is for the L_C_D_ and the regular for the joystick . 1313.63 1317.64 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1313.874 1314.716 1314.1 1314.45 Oh yeah . 1314.45 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1316.676 1318.525 1316.81 1318.32 Yeah . Yeah , yeah . 1317.61 1317.95 1318.32 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1321.204 1323.26 1321.23 1323.07 And what if we lose the L_C_D_ ? 1323.07 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1324.772 1331.472 1324.79 1331.43 If we lose the L_C_D_ , then we have an uh regular chip and no L_C_D_ . 1326.41 1331.43 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1328.676 1330.81 1328.71 1330.81 Yeah , regular chip . But 1328.91 1330.46 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1332.404 1334.046 1332.5 1333.87 Is it a good design ? 1333.87 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1335.888 1342.42 1336.1 1342.22 Uh , yeah . Then you'll have to m uh see the menu on the television . And you don't have 1336.32 1336.51 1341.2 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1343.812 1344.676 1343.86 1344.52 the L_C_D_ . 1344.52 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 1345.668 1346.324 1345.7 1346.324 If uh - TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1346.276 1349.108 1346.3 1348.85 So , the T_V_s has to uh have to be up-to-date . 1346.47 1348.85 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 1349.092 1355.492 1349.11 1355.43 If we have the n no buttons If we have we have uh not a joystick but buttons , we would have uh , we have thirteen Euros ? 1353.53 1354.38 1355.43 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1355.572 1356.231 1355.66 1355.95 Yeah . 1355.95 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1355.892 1356.586 1355.94 1356.39 Mm , yes . 1356.17 1356.39 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 1356.724 1360.804 1356.74 1360.73 And then uh we move the the colour . What will that be ? 1358.87 1360.73 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1359.366 1360.107 1359.5 1359.8 Yeah . 1359.8 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1361.092 1362.276 1361.22 1362.11 Then it's okay . 1362.11 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1362.404 1363.714 1362.42 1363.45 Huh . No knew that . 1362.76 1363.45 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 1363.582 1364.29 1363.66 1364.29 Yeah . 1364.13 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1366.18 1372.772 1366.33 1372.73 Okay , so no joystick . Oh no , but we then we get push-buttons from half a Euro . 1366.97 1369.21 1369.69 1372.73 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1372.996 1375.012 1373.02 1374.96 Yeah , then it's twelve Euro fifty , then it's okay . 1373.24 1374.32 1374.96 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1377.012 1395.924 1377.03 1395.76 Uh , yes , yes , yes , yes . No joystick . Push-buttons . No special colour . Twelve and a half Euros . Then it's okay . So , we have to change that a little bit . 1377.28 1377.57 1377.71 1378.05 1380.34 1382.68 1384.31 1387.23 1391.54 1392.55 1393.28 1395.76 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1396.964 1405.476 1396.98 1405.41 And you cannot use the red and green button . Because if you give them a s uh colour , 1402.1 1405.41 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 1402.323 1403.84 1402.69 1403.84 Okay . All the same uh 1402.9 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1406.58 1407.428 1406.6 1407.35 you have to pay - TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1409.7 1411.22 1409.72 1411.13 point two Euros . 1411.13 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1411.956 1420.788 1412.19 1420.64 So , all the buttons has to have to be the same colour . But then the print on it will g um change it . Make it uh 1412.5 1415.27 1418.28 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1414.728 1415.604 1414.91 1415.35 Yes . 1415.35 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1421.876 1426.5 1422.03 1425.84 for everybody to see what button it is . Uh l How you call it ? 1424.25 1425.84 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 1424.857 1425.531 1424.97 1425.46 Mm , yeah . 1425.05 1425.46 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 1427.756 1430.317 1427.88 1430.25 Recognisable . Like what Yeah . 1428.67 1430.25 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1428.366 1429.815 1428.55 1429.45 Recognisable , yeah . 1429.28 1429.45 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1429.442 1429.981 1429.58 1429.95 Yes . 1429.95 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 1432.475 1433.217 1432.56 1433.03 Mm , yeah . 1432.67 1433.03 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1440.363 1441.071 1440.5 1441.071 So - TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1441.06 1441.614 1441.09 1441.43 Yeah ? 1441.43 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 1442.925 1443.633 1443.02 1443.37 Okay . 1443.37 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1444.388 1445.12 1444.42 1444.76 Okay . 1444.76 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1450.244 1454.441 1450.244 1454.441 So Well - TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1458.79 1466.388 1458.93 1466.31 Now we have to change that , but that's okay . Rubber . What's the normal colour ? 1460.12 1463.78 1465.23 1466.31 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1485.956 1487.344 1486.02 1487.1 Oh , well that's clear . 1486.27 1487.1 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1504.932 1505.805 1505.43 1505.805 So - TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1507.322 1508.333 1507.48 1508.333 And - TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1518.462 1519.473 1518.69 1519.26 Where's ? 1519.26 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1522.069 1522.541 1522.19 1522.36 Yeah . 1522.36 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1534.228 1537.078 1534.45 1537.078 So , now it's 1536.29 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1536.58 1538.036 1536.6 1537.96 And the joystick away . 1537.96 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1539.348 1540.677 1539.49 1540.33 And its buttons . 1540.33 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1541.492 1544.756 1541.63 1544.6 Yeah . It is . But then it will be 1542.42 1543.31 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1547.108 1549.46 1547.24 1549.27 just that ones . 1549.27 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1549.956 1550.722 1549.98 1550.37 Yeah . 1550.37 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1560.516 1561.332 1560.57 1561.332 Now it's - TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 1579.559 1583.211 1579.559 1583.211 still , he waited at the 1580.07 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1581.944 1590.548 1582.05 1590.548 Very good . Now , uh project eva evaluation . Well 1585.82 1586.56 1590.09 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 1584.218 1584.632 1584.31 1584.45 No . 1584.45 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1591.989 1594.989 1592.11 1594.989 What do you think of it ? Uh 1594.53 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1600.804 1602.1 1600.85 1601.93 About the - TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 1602.132 1603.01 1602.15 1602.9 Project . 1602.9 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1602.032 1603.448 1602.19 1603.27 About the project . 1603.27 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1603.62 1606.34 1603.64 1606.24 process . Went good . 1605.51 1606.24 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1607.828 1609.396 1607.88 1609.396 Uh - TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1611.697 1623.156 1611.74 1623.156 I think uh the creativity uh was good enough . We have a gun instead of a remote control . Um 1619.2 1622.14 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1626.084 1634.436 1626.21 1634.4 Uh leadership . Yeah , you were the project project manager , and uh had the final vote . So yeah that was clear . 1626.91 1627.09 1629.52 1632.54 1634.4 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1635.924 1639.524 1635.94 1639.43 Team-work okay . Everybody uh has something uh to say about it . 1637.01 1639.43 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1641.828 1649.892 1641.99 1649.62 And uh no , uh o only the the drawing uh was very difficult . 1643.9 1649.62 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1651.284 1654.564 1651.33 1654.564 But , nah . New ideas found . 1651.61 1652.9 1654.37 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1656.868 1657.648 1656.89 1657.3 Nope . 1657.3 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1658.02 1660.206 1658.19 1659.98 Okay . And you . 1659.69 1659.98 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 1661.076 1667.286 1661.21 1667.286 Yeah , well the same . I I espe I especially uh liked the the means , the the SMARTboard and uh 1661.38 1662.31 1665.28 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 1668.58 1669.508 1668.6 1669.508 Yeah , it uh 1668.85 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 1671.972 1675.173 1672.05 1674.86 It brings up new ideas when you work with uh with it . 1674.86 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1677.614 1678.187 1677.69 1678.04 Okay . 1678.04 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 1678.46 1679.033 1678.63 1678.8 Yeah . 1678.8 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 1680.82 1693.508 1680.84 1693.508 Yeah , I think you have to compare it to if you would have a normal um normal project without laptops uh and without these devices . I think um 1680.97 1692.34 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 1694.916 1708.884 1694.94 1708.81 Well , the laptops if you have them out front of you , you sometimes looking at that instead of the presentation . Um , well uh the draw-board , well you can draw things . But it not really going very convenient . 1695.1 1696.66 1701.12 1703.49 1705.19 1706.6 1708.81 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 1709.732 1710.432 1709.79 1710.11 Mm-hmm . 1710.11 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 1711.46 1718.44 1711.6 1718.26 Uh , maybe it will be easier if you have a smaller monitor and uh you would also see there . And with a normal mouse . 1711.72 1717.22 1718.26 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 1720.004 1730.26 1720.13 1730.23 Um , and uh the project . Yeah , I agree on what was said uh mainly . Uh , yeah but you always have that some people are talking more than others . 1720.85 1722.58 1722.98 1726.53 1727.37 1730.23 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 1731.908 1740.148 1731.99 1740.08 And maybe is then um the task of the the project manager to also uh ask more to the people uh less talking . 1740.08 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 1742.5 1743.62 1742.52 1743.52 To tell their opinion . 1743.52 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1745.476 1746.18 1745.61 1746.06 Okay . 1746.06 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1747.364 1756.708 1747.39 1756.58 Well , what do I have to say . I think it was good . Not too many discussions . So , it's good for the speed . 1748.96 1750.11 1751.29 1754.09 1755.54 1756.58 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1752.9 1753.912 1752.9 1753.67 No . 1753.67 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 1755.156 1755.718 1755.18 1755.64 No . 1755.64 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1757.215 1758.024 1757.44 1757.77 Yep . 1757.77 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1758.596 1764.74 1758.69 1764.67 So , I think we're ready . Good price . Evaluation ready . 1759.19 1761.14 1763.32 1764.67 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 1758.976 1759.415 1759.11 1759.29 Yeah . 1759.29 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1766.772 1767.348 1766.8 1767.14 Ready . 1767.14 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1767.968 1770.42 1767.968 1770.17 Beer . 1770.17 TS3010d A MTD037PM 0 1774.404 1775.668 1774.59 1775.31 That's it . 1775.31 TS3010d C MTD038ID 2 1775.872 1777.861 1775.96 1777.71 Yeah ? Okay then . 1777.09 1777.71 TS3010d D MTD040ME 3 1776.468 1777.012 1776.52 1776.89 Okay . 1776.89 TS3010d B MTD039UID 1 1781.012 1781.572 1781.012 1781.572 . 1781.572 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 10.608 11.878 10.63 11.74 Good morning , Flores . 11.13 11.74 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 10.733 12.423 10.76 12.19 G good morning . 12.19 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 15.004 16.72 15.08 16.63 Marketing Expert . 16.63 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 16.64 17.44 16.71 17.16 Oh yeah . 17.16 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 22.904 23.636 23.03 23.45 Right . 23.45 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 23.952 33.509 24.03 33.25 Are you ready ? You should put the laptop uh right into the square . For i for the cameras , yes . Good morning , Sebastian . 25.06 29.35 30.66 32.23 32.71 33.25 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 28.976 29.917 29.0 29.61 For the cameras - TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 30.69 31.272 30.76 31.16 Alright . 31.16 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 33.584 43.44 33.64 43.44 Good morning , Mister P_M_ . How are you today ? How was your business trip to Boston ? 35.22 37.4 39.25 43.25 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 37.343 39.28 37.343 38.95 I'm fine . 38.95 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 40.877 53.824 40.95 53.78 Um well , actually I didn't go , didn't feel like it . So Do you want to open it as read-only . Um I guess I should close it here . 41.96 44.1 44.94 49.76 53.78 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 42.512 44.463 42.512 44.4 Geez . 44.4 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 54.608 57.213 54.63 57.1 You have the same message of uh Windows cannot um - TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 59.123 61.485 59.14 61.34 sen oh stand-by . Close the the window . 60.33 61.34 TS3011a D MTD044ME 3 60.315 61.744 60.315 61.53 Okay . 61.53 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 61.68 71.179 61.89 71.14 Okay , the waiting is for our Marketing Expert , Ruud . Um project kick-off . 62.18 65.22 67.46 71.14 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 62.299 62.832 62.45 62.832 So - TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 64.863 66.336 64.97 66.15 That's right . Ruud . 65.9 66.15 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 71.648 73.44 71.67 73.39 Is there a schedule for this meeting ? 73.39 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 73.76 81.335 73.82 81.28 Yes , there is actually . Um I will li list the agenda for today . For this meeting . 74.13 76.23 80.53 81.28 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 84.667 85.922 84.79 85.84 Good morning , Ruud . 85.31 85.84 TS3011a D MTD044ME 3 87.026 89.808 87.05 89.808 Good morning . 89.69 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 89.616 102.832 89.616 102.77 Uh it's important um yeah , great . It's important that the laptops are um exactly on the square , um for the cameras . 93.03 94.34 99.63 102.77 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 91.494 92.434 91.56 92.32 I shall close the door . 92.32 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 105.176 105.858 105.22 105.66 Okay . 105.66 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 116.656 176.856 116.73 176.64 Okay . Um we're here to develop uh a new product . Um I'm sure you've had a mail from our account manager about it . Um and um this is the first meeting to to generate some uh uh some ideas about it . Um you are here in a specific role . Uh Ruud is here as the Marketing Expert , Roo is here as the User Interface Designer and Sebastian is here uh in the role of Industrial Designer . Is that correct ? Okay . Um we're going to do um uh uh a little tool training uh for the tools we are going to use uh during uh the meetings we are going to have here . Um then I will tell you a little bit about my idea of the project plan , uh and we will have a discussion . Uh this meeting should take no more than twenty five minutes , so we should keep that in mind . 117.89 121.66 126.45 133.63 136.99 140.69 148.29 149.78 150.9 163.32 168.71 170.86 174.85 176.64 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 125.171 125.805 125.27 125.61 Mm-hmm . 125.61 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 148.992 149.875 149.05 149.7 That's correct . 149.7 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 149.376 149.792 149.44 149.75 Mm-hmm . 149.75 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 175.392 175.893 175.46 175.83 Alright . 175.83 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 175.524 183.457 175.6 183.34 Okay . Um is there any room for a little presentation ? Uh maybe during the discussion uh section ? 177.3 180.29 183.34 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 182.688 184.24 182.71 184.19 There is ? Yeah , there is . 183.58 183.81 184.19 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 184.464 184.861 184.48 184.8 Okay . 184.8 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 185.264 192.32 185.264 192.16 No problem . Um okay , this new product we are are g are going to develop , um 187.36 188.26 191.04 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 193.328 238.567 193.35 238.32 it's a remote control , a television remote control . Um and first of all it should be original , it should be trendy and user-friendly . Those are kind of easy um uh uh goals , um and I'm sure we can find more goals for the for the product we are going to develop . Um we will discuss uh later on more ideas about uh how the remote should look and how it sh it should function and all those kind of things . The market , we should have a look at the market . Um we are going to use a a pred a project method uh during uh this development , um which consists of three different design stages . 194.58 196.6 199.34 201.6 207.38 213.0 223.39 224.28 226.6 234.14 238.32 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 221.28 221.696 221.35 221.65 Okay . 221.65 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 238.567 289.741 238.76 289.49 Uh the functional design , the conceptual design and the detailed design , um all of these stages um um mean that we do some individual work , prepare , and then uh meet to discuss our uh uh the the the progressions , yes . Um the first stage , the functional design um we are going to search for the user requirements , and we will um make a specific uh specification of that . Um the second is the technical functional design , um what effect should the remote have ? Well in this case control t the the television I think . 240.88 243.69 251.78 252.73 261.4 262.54 263.99 270.18 276.49 281.07 285.22 289.49 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 259.936 261.684 259.96 261.684 Progressions . 261.32 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 288.272 289.92 288.3 289.89 It's for the vision . Yeah . 289.71 289.89 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 289.741 327.248 289.97 327.21 Um and the last one is the working design . How exactly does it work in the technical sense . Um the other design stages , uh we will discuss that later . So we'll kop it keep it with the functional design . Okay , um before we think about remote control we will um work with some of the tools we have uh here . Um as you see now I can give a presentation . Um it's also possible to use this one as well . You can uh uh display pr uh two presentations if you want to . Um 293.39 297.73 300.43 302.44 305.89 306.7 313.07 317.88 321.61 326.21 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 328.512 346.496 328.512 346.46 to um presentate , to show us uh a file you'll need to uh place it in your project documents folder , which is on your desktop , at least it should be . Um then we have this electronic white-board system . Um 331.52 337.97 339.27 340.91 345.34 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 348.64 351.072 348.66 351.02 yeah , I will show that now . Um 348.86 350.22 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 352.512 365.536 352.53 365.49 you can draw on the board using this pen . There are little um uh sensors , so do not grab it here , but a lit more a little bit more to the uh to the end . Um 355.91 358.79 361.46 364.68 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 357.326 358.071 357.45 358.03 Sensors . 358.03 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 366.672 371.472 366.69 371.42 well , it it's on the um eraser now , so we click the pen button . 367.09 369.14 371.42 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 380.244 384.528 380.26 384.49 Okay , so not too fast writing . Um 380.55 383.68 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 385.76 418.992 385.76 418.79 you can insert a new um slide or or white-board uh uh file um by either using the insert function or by clicking the next button or the blank button . It's quite the same . Um all our um whi um uh SMARTboard um notes should be kept in the same file . So do not m make a new file . Just use this one uh during the day . Um you can use the eraser to 399.22 400.85 410.39 412.85 416.34 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 420.256 421.6 420.28 421.49 make something go away . 421.49 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 421.48 424.4 421.52 424.36 But we all use the same white-board file - TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 424.736 425.376 424.84 425.27 Yes . 425.27 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 425.808 431.648 425.83 431.61 So we can work together on it while we're or should we only use it in the in the meetings ? 431.61 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 428.694 428.952 428.71 428.89 Yeah . 428.89 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 432.016 442.886 432.04 442.886 Yeah , in the meetings , only in the meetings . It's really like like a regu regular whiteboard . Um you can choose the format , um sorry . Uh 432.2 432.87 434.04 437.76 440.67 441.87 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 433.103 433.801 433.21 433.72 Yeah , okay . 433.38 433.72 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 435.52 436.576 435.57 436.49 Yeah , alright . Yep . 435.77 436.25 436.49 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 444.16 444.88 444.18 444.83 Let me see . 444.83 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 446.288 448.464 446.35 448.464 Um - TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 453.904 454.608 453.92 454.608 Well - TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 457.36 460.56 457.38 460.52 I guess it's maybe because I'm not s uh pen selected . 460.52 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 461.936 467.072 461.96 467.04 Yep . Current colour , you can choose another colour . And um for example 462.68 463.68 465.58 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 470.72 476.8 470.77 476.68 black , and you c I can choose the line width . Um so now I d have a different 471.15 474.88 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 478.848 511.943 478.87 511.85 line width and uh colour . Okay . Quite easy , if you uh do have any questions , just c ask me . Um to um oh well , I'm I wrote down the documents uh should be in the project documents folder if you want to uh discuss it with us . Um as a little training um I will ask Ruud first to draw uh uh your own animal on a new slide uh with uh a different colour and a different line width than the one uh now selected . 480.24 480.76 481.34 483.07 485.03 488.26 494.59 511.85 TS3011a D MTD044ME 3 514.27 514.761 514.35 514.65 Okay . 514.65 TS3011a D MTD044ME 3 528.122 529.973 528.18 529.81 Um green . 529.81 TS3011a D MTD044ME 3 537.648 540.356 537.67 540.356 An animal . Okay . Um 538.66 539.57 TS3011a D MTD044ME 3 552.512 554.433 552.61 554.21 Uh a wee rabbit . 554.21 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 553.104 555.492 553.13 555.492 It's a bunny . 555.39 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 554.768 566.086 554.86 565.7 A rabbit . Okay , well great . Um Roo , could you do the same please ? But a different animal with a different colour and a different line width . 556.1 556.53 558.57 560.15 562.2 565.7 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 555.852 556.519 556.02 556.43 Alright . 556.43 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 561.682 562.88 561.71 562.81 But of course , Flores . 562.27 562.81 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 568.656 569.43 568.68 569.14 Blank . 569.14 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 569.318 571.746 569.44 571.63 Sebastian is thinking about the animal . 571.63 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 571.328 575.296 571.45 575.296 I'm just uh guessing what should be my favourite animal . 575.15 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 574.32 574.88 574.34 574.69 Okay . 574.69 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 574.512 579.248 574.53 579.11 Yeah , I'm think about it too . Format . 575.05 577.47 579.11 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 603.786 608.06 603.87 607.86 Well , it looked more than a bunny than a cat , but it works , right ? 604.68 606.22 607.63 607.86 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 606.341 612.652 606.341 612.652 Well , I'll give it a try . 611.43 612.59 TS3011a D MTD044ME 3 606.928 609.04 606.928 608.99 Yeah . 608.99 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 607.68 609.856 607.7 609.82 It it should be a cat . Okay ? 609.45 609.82 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 629.635 632.048 629.635 632.0 Mm . 632.0 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 645.616 647.968 645.64 647.88 I'm guessing a horse . 647.88 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 648.048 649.328 648.1 649.328 Very good . 649.09 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 655.184 659.504 655.2 659.504 With a very small legs . 658.99 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 661.152 662.848 661.19 662.848 I was very good in drawing . 662.62 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 662.864 667.541 662.88 667.541 You should feed that uh that animal . 667.39 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 674.368 678.016 674.39 678.016 Well , I guess you uh get the idea . 675.44 677.76 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 678.448 679.664 678.47 679.52 Yes , okay . 679.05 679.52 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 681.296 681.918 681.33 681.73 Beautiful . 681.73 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 681.696 683.018 681.696 682.92 Beautiful . 682.92 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 684.689 715.381 684.81 714.77 Okay , so um you can use this at any time during the presentation if you want to . Um any questions well , just just let me know . Um okay , back to our project . Um the remote control we are going to develop um will have a selling price of about twenty five Euros . Uh the profit we are looking for for this product is fifty million Euros , 685.38 691.09 692.74 695.24 696.06 697.74 707.06 714.77 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 715.381 750.885 715.97 750.85 which is quite a number . Um we uh we will focus this internationally , so the product will be sold um , if there is market uh interest , uh in in more than one country . And um the production costs should not be more than uh twelve Euro fifty , so we should keep that in mind by uh w w during the development , um because uh , well , those are important numbers . Um then the discussion , maybe the time for Sebastian to show his presentation . 717.68 721.19 724.2 727.2 729.48 734.78 739.97 741.51 742.62 744.75 748.1 750.85 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 750.784 764.447 750.8 764.35 Yes , um I have some technical uh issues which I would like to present to you uh before we start the discussion , because uh there might be some uh influations influences . Okay ? 751.16 758.51 764.11 764.35 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 761.104 761.887 761.12 761.85 Limitations . 761.85 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 763.04 763.536 763.06 763.49 Okay . 763.49 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 763.744 764.307 763.82 764.25 Okay . 764.25 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 764.544 765.221 764.56 765.13 Okay , great . 764.86 765.13 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 787.648 788.451 787.648 788.37 Okay . 788.37 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 790.23 820.304 790.3 820.23 Um first about my role , role of the Industrial Designer . I would like to think about uh the implementation of uh of things , and the technical possibilities and impossibilities . So if someone of you comes up with uh ideas , uh I'll try to translate them in technical functions , but uh there might be some impossibilities . So that's one . Uh I also will propose some uh um 792.48 794.85 800.79 803.72 807.42 812.03 815.01 816.51 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 821.728 838.584 821.86 838.52 uh some implementations for that , but well , these are quite the same . Sorry about that . Um and I also will remind people of some new technical possibilities which are available and which might be interesting to implement in our product . 824.35 826.17 827.51 829.36 838.52 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 838.432 838.912 838.58 838.85 Okay . 838.85 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 839.92 872.96 839.94 872.87 I have some uh initial ideas about some things um which are maybe nice to take with you in the upcoming uh discussion . One thing about uh interopera operability . Um I think a modern uh remote control should uh control a device diverse subset of equipment . Uh for instance , uh D_V_D_ players , cell phones , video and audio equipment . So one re uh one remote control for all your equipment . 850.49 853.88 864.5 865.25 866.22 867.05 869.28 872.87 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 873.568 874.64 873.62 874.6 And for a cell phone ? 874.6 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 875.392 879.888 875.41 879.85 Well , there should be some interoperabi interoperability between them . 875.78 879.85 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 878.352 878.949 878.37 878.83 Yeah , okay . 878.57 878.83 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 880.879 881.236 880.93 881.06 Yeah . 881.06 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 881.088 895.984 881.11 895.95 I think it could come in handy . We should discuss that . Um and we should think about the way how these things uh should communicate with each other . We're not uh living in the uh nineteen eighties anymore , so infrared is not uh 882.9 884.62 891.16 893.65 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 897.584 904.208 897.75 904.12 is not really uh hot uh technical stuff anymore . But you should uh think about the things like uh Bluetooth . 901.63 904.12 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 902.992 903.525 903.08 903.525 But - TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 904.48 914.456 904.5 914.34 Yeah , but the infrared , it's uh , well , a little bit old-fashioned , if you would call it like that . But all the T_V_s are uh equipped with infrared , so 904.94 905.93 906.96 907.32 908.51 910.34 913.87 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 908.653 909.177 908.77 909.04 Mm-hmm . 909.04 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 910.128 911.319 910.16 911.25 But it's cost-effective . 911.25 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 912.16 912.544 912.18 912.51 Yes . 912.51 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 914.16 918.901 914.2 918.901 Mm-hmm . Well , not all , not all . So that's the point . So 915.41 916.02 916.54 917.12 918.36 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 915.232 916.318 915.25 916.318 y you you can - TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 917.52 923.918 917.54 923.78 Most of them . Or you shou sh use a you should equip infrared and Bluetooth together in one remote . 918.66 923.78 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 922.368 944.08 922.41 944.03 Maybe , but that's uh something we should discuss and uh about every everybody should think about it . So that's just my role , I'll just uh give you uh everybody some technical input , and I think now the time is to have a little discussion about what uh the product should be and how it should look , but take these things into account when you start the discussion . 923.21 929.29 930.48 933.79 940.45 944.03 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 925.344 925.675 925.36 925.59 Yeah . 925.59 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 940.4 940.673 940.42 940.63 Yeah . 940.63 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 944.416 953.072 944.44 953.072 Okay , so the the main por uh the main points you are uh telling us are focus on the inter uh operability , and 944.73 952.67 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 952.048 961.616 952.07 961.58 Yes , so one thing uh one remote control should uh control one or more uh pieces of equipment , and the way of communicating with these equipments . 952.57 959.2 961.58 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 958.448 959.97 958.47 959.97 Okay , and and uh 959.13 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 961.712 974.64 961.78 974.55 Okay . Okay , good . Um that was your presentation ? Okay , okay . Um okay . Great . Um 962.55 963.06 964.55 967.07 967.45 969.27 973.31 973.75 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 963.936 964.32 963.98 964.27 Okay . 964.27 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 966.608 967.136 966.63 967.01 That's it . 967.01 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 975.84 980.784 975.84 980.784 I'll go back to my own presentation . Um 978.3 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 984.72 1027.4 984.92 1027.19 Mm . Okay . Um I I do think it's time now to to discuss uh mm some things . Um Sebastian told us a few things about the technical implemen uh implications . Um there are other things like um how to make it trendy , which is I think uh um most uh Ru uh Ruud's uh role . Um the way how it should be controlled by the user , which is uh Roo uh r uh during this part . Um so let's start with you . H how do you think the remote should um function for the user ? 985.65 986.77 992.96 998.75 1004.51 1011.53 1015.95 1020.78 1022.8 1027.19 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1020.384 1020.8 1020.41 1020.75 Mm-hmm . 1020.75 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1027.12 1044.272 1027.14 1044.272 Well , I had a few uh things in mind . Um well , the interoperability , just like uh Sebastian said , um the remote should work on different T_V_s or even different uh um 1027.48 1032.15 1034.76 1035.82 1037.7 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1045.584 1048.304 1045.6 1047.72 Yeah uh , what is it , devices ? 1046.84 1047.1 1047.72 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 1047.776 1048.24 1047.82 1048.13 Yep . 1048.13 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1049.353 1067.056 1049.353 1066.96 Um so i i I think it's a universal remote control for customers to buy just new in uh a store . It's not for uh for uh for uh Philips or whatever to buy our remote for their own product , right ? 1057.93 1066.74 1066.96 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 1057.008 1059.213 1057.03 1059.1 Yes , I think it should be something like that . 1057.33 1059.1 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 1067.024 1071.706 1067.08 1071.706 Okay , so we're we're going business to consumer , not we're we're it's not a 1067.36 1069.56 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1070.837 1074.797 1070.97 1074.58 Yeah , I do I don't know that . It's no I have uh don't have the information for it . 1071.41 1072.23 1074.58 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 1073.167 1083.904 1073.33 1083.87 We're not developing this product for a specific vendor , are we ? No , we're just developing this product , and we want to sell it to a very broad uh public , so it should fit to every device . 1076.09 1076.59 1077.01 1078.54 1081.66 1083.87 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 1076.096 1077.244 1076.12 1077.09 No . No . 1076.87 1077.09 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1076.994 1077.975 1077.1 1077.85 No , okay . 1077.51 1077.85 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1082.352 1082.741 1082.37 1082.68 Yeah . 1082.68 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 1082.322 1082.705 1082.38 1082.65 Yeah . 1082.65 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 1084.016 1087.712 1084.09 1087.64 Uh Ruud , y do you agree ? Okay . Okay . 1085.17 1086.75 1087.33 1087.64 TS3011a D MTD044ME 3 1085.341 1086.938 1085.38 1086.9 Yeah , I think I think they're right , yeah . 1085.6 1086.71 1086.9 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1087.355 1089.688 1087.355 1089.688 Um - TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1091.504 1106.656 1091.52 1106.656 Well , the techni fu technical function uh what you said is just by pressing the button you should change the state of the T_V_ . That's just the basic f technical function . So that was my really my part for uh this session . Um 1091.75 1099.49 1102.63 1105.88 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 1102.32 1102.688 1102.34 1102.61 Yeah . 1102.61 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 1107.152 1111.344 1107.27 1111.344 So is that ease of use or uh is that more like um - TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 1107.582 1108.347 1107.71 1108.347 Yeah . 1108.01 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1110.928 1129.077 1110.95 1129.077 Well , that's just the fu the technical function is pure what should the remote control do , wh what is his task uh as an uh as an uh device . It just should change the T_V_'s state . So that's it . Um but furthermore 1111.15 1116.43 1122.41 1125.59 1127.32 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 1118.8 1119.32 1118.83 1119.13 Mm-hmm . 1119.13 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 1124.768 1125.296 1124.81 1125.23 Okay . 1125.23 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 1128.176 1136.044 1128.2 1135.78 And you you see uh the buttons as a as a means of doing this ? Or are there any o other controls ? Are there only any other cont 1132.04 1134.66 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1131.981 1137.353 1132.03 1137.353 Yeah . Yeah , with buttons . Yeah , or maybe you want a touch-screen or 1133.08 1133.34 1134.86 1135.21 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 1137.552 1161.439 1137.57 1161.35 Well , I I've seen these remote controls with uh this little stick uh which you can move forward , sidewords . You know these things . And um it's very easy for a user to to switch w yes , to to switch b uh between uh channels or uh change uh between tracks on a on a C_D_ , on on a chapters , you know , on a D_V_D_ player . So maybe that's an idea , I don't know . 1138.89 1144.23 1145.15 1146.35 1150.62 1156.04 1157.05 1157.37 1159.35 1160.87 1161.35 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1138.366 1138.999 1138.47 1138.999 But - TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1143.968 1144.368 1143.99 1144.32 Yeah . 1144.32 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 1145.056 1145.523 1145.08 1145.44 Uh-huh . 1145.44 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1147.574 1149.004 1147.62 1148.9 They're very vu vulnerable . 1148.9 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1150.432 1150.805 1150.45 1150.7 Yeah . 1150.7 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1161.06 1178.782 1161.1 1178.782 Yeah . And for other user interface I had um , well , it's more industrial thing . Uh point at a T_V_ , I think it's it's quite disturbing when you always have to point directly to the T_V_ , so you must point everywhere , so maybe infrared is 1162.01 1164.56 1165.39 1167.05 1169.25 1173.6 1176.84 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 1172.137 1172.736 1172.2 1172.66 Mm-hmm . 1172.66 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 1177.12 1177.584 1177.17 1177.54 Okay . 1177.54 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 1178.272 1180.64 1178.29 1180.59 Maybe not even pointed . Yeah . 1180.34 1180.59 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1179.872 1186.4 1179.89 1186.3 Yeah , just don't even point it , so in that case infrared should uh maybe uh be restriction to that . 1180.55 1181.59 1186.3 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 1185.968 1197.238 1186.0 1196.87 Mm-hmm . Uh is that uh are there restriction for the range , the operating range too ? So when you're not able to point at the device um the range is very limited . 1186.96 1189.42 1191.26 1196.87 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 1186.398 1187.367 1186.47 1187.367 Okay Uh - TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1195.136 1201.904 1195.16 1201.87 Yeah , if you g if you go to radio or or yeah . For T_V_ , you're always in in the neighbourhood of a T_V_ , so I don't think think 1195.42 1198.17 1198.71 1200.45 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1203.072 1215.12 1203.09 1215.12 the range should be a problem to that , but if you want to uh get it working with a radio , and you're in outside your garden with just one uh speaker , then maybe the range should be uh 1204.64 1208.7 1213.35 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 1203.617 1204.672 1203.67 1204.63 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 1204.37 1204.63 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 1212.48 1212.848 1212.51 1212.8 Mm-hmm . 1212.8 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 1215.792 1216.309 1215.86 1216.22 Okay . 1216.22 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 1216.0 1224.48 1216.02 1224.34 Okay , gentlemen , um uh just a reminder , we d we have five minutes left for this meeting um okay . 1216.46 1217.16 1218.85 1224.34 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1216.352 1216.75 1216.38 1216.75 But - TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 1220.241 1220.763 1220.43 1220.68 Okay . 1220.68 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1220.612 1220.978 1220.67 1220.86 Yeah . 1220.86 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1222.432 1224.272 1222.45 1224.24 Two more things . Um 1223.73 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1225.296 1257.312 1225.63 1257.312 You should able to feel the buttons without uh it mis um you have to know what you do without looking at the buttons , so it should be as user interface um for feeling should be uh good to understand . You must feel the buttons for volume or whatever , I think . And of course you don't always know where all buttons are , so it should be visible al um in dark too . So when it's dark 1235.31 1243.94 1247.75 1248.83 1252.37 1256.22 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 1244.016 1245.433 1244.04 1245.4 Okay , s yeah . 1244.35 1245.4 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 1248.52 1249.052 1248.64 1248.87 Yeah . 1248.87 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 1256.496 1257.008 1256.52 1256.97 Okay . 1256.97 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1258.88 1261.6 1258.91 1261.6 Those are two really uh user interface - TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 1261.6 1282.832 1261.62 1282.77 Uh I'll write down glow in the dark . Is tha Okay . Okay , um uh I just want to hear uh Ruud's um input for this meeting . Um do you have anything already w um ab idea about how the market uh will respond to the such a product ? Or what we should take um in account when developing such a product ? 1264.17 1266.62 1267.0 1272.21 1279.15 1282.77 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1263.76 1266.48 1263.78 1266.48 Yeah . That's perfect . 1264.16 1266.1 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 1265.44 1267.495 1265.46 1267.495 Okay . Do do you 1266.72 TS3011a D MTD044ME 3 1283.2 1288.441 1283.22 1288.24 Uh I think most most things have already been said , like uh control multiple devices . 1285.87 1288.24 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 1288.432 1288.832 1288.48 1288.78 Mm-hmm . 1288.78 TS3011a D MTD044ME 3 1290.976 1293.216 1291.0 1293.18 And uh , yeah , infrared might be an issue . 1291.72 1291.84 1293.18 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 1293.997 1294.656 1294.07 1294.62 Because ? 1294.62 TS3011a D MTD044ME 3 1295.552 1302.88 1295.57 1302.88 Uh well , he said about n abo what he said about pointing . But uh lots of devices already use infrared . So 1295.96 1299.45 1302.45 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 1298.592 1299.008 1298.63 1298.96 Mm-hmm . 1298.96 TS3011a D MTD044ME 3 1304.112 1305.776 1304.13 1305.69 we'll probably have to implement that . 1305.69 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 1305.92 1306.416 1305.94 1306.36 Okay . 1306.36 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 1308.874 1309.515 1308.92 1309.39 Okay . 1309.39 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 1317.536 1321.312 1317.95 1321.25 Okay , Sebastian , did you have any other ideas ? 1318.2 1319.17 1321.25 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 1320.48 1332.8 1320.56 1332.77 Um well yes , I had , uh about three minutes ago , but I've seem to forget them forgot them . Um oh yes , I remember . Um you said something about visibility in the dark . Um 1321.97 1322.54 1324.25 1327.36 1328.5 1329.36 1332.07 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1332.164 1332.76 1332.4 1332.64 Yeah . 1332.64 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 1334.096 1341.968 1334.18 1341.93 uh would it be nice for a user to have display on this uh remote control , on which you can see functions ? 1339.74 1341.93 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 1343.216 1345.286 1343.24 1344.98 Which makes it easier to operate it . 1344.98 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1344.611 1363.577 1344.64 1363.42 Yeah . Well , maybe I um but it it can be quite simple , you can just have white buttons with a black mark on it . The uh the the digits in black . Uh then it's already visible in dark . So it it don't have to be a lightning or or a fancy well , it can be for design , of course . 1345.23 1345.61 1349.13 1352.99 1355.36 1358.03 1361.68 1362.98 1363.42 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 1347.727 1348.484 1347.84 1348.4 I I don't know . 1348.4 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 1350.646 1351.12 1350.72 1350.98 Mm-hmm . 1350.98 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 1352.209 1352.768 1352.27 1352.72 Okay . 1352.72 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 1354.744 1355.303 1354.79 1355.12 Mm-hmm . 1355.12 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 1357.76 1358.36 1357.87 1358.1 Okay . 1358.1 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 1361.452 1362.049 1361.47 1361.98 Okay . 1361.98 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 1361.853 1367.449 1361.95 1367.449 Okay . Yeah , yeah , okay , because because we wa we want to develop a trendy product . So 1362.41 1362.95 1363.23 1363.5 1367.06 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 1366.576 1370.103 1366.6 1370.103 Yes , but there's a cost limitation too . Well , that's more 1367.05 1368.9 1369.11 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 1369.101 1371.84 1369.13 1371.76 Yeah , twelve Euro fifty , yeah . 1369.72 1371.49 1371.76 TS3011a D MTD044ME 3 1369.456 1369.696 1369.48 1369.66 Yeah . 1369.66 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 1370.968 1385.394 1370.99 1385.394 So that's a big problem , I think . I think the the financial part of this project uh implicates that it's not going to be a high high-end product . The cost price is very low . Um 1372.77 1373.92 1382.07 1384.59 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 1382.054 1382.48 1382.09 1382.45 Okay . 1382.45 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1384.88 1392.207 1384.9 1392.207 Just remind something . The digits of uh the the painting on the buttons should not fade . You have a m uh 1387.16 1391.51 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 1391.104 1392.473 1391.12 1392.36 Okay , okay . 1391.96 1392.36 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 1391.075 1392.928 1391.31 1392.89 Okay . Very good point . Yeah . 1391.85 1392.66 1392.89 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1393.584 1396.192 1393.6 1396.15 Always have s the soft buttons , always uh 1395.12 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1397.424 1400.656 1397.44 1400.62 clear the the the paint on it . The marks . 1400.07 1400.62 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 1400.082 1400.739 1400.24 1400.64 Okay . 1400.64 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 1402.599 1425.858 1402.72 1425.71 Okay , um I ha I have one point f um which which comes in mind now . Um uh d I think the device should either be rechargeable very easily um or it should not consume too much um power . Because it's very annoying if you need to change the batteries every s uh uh every other week . 1403.21 1408.08 1420.86 1425.71 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 1414.5 1416.0 1414.61 1415.96 Mm-hmm . Okay . 1415.59 1415.96 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1426.252 1426.618 1426.29 1426.54 Yeah . 1426.54 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 1426.275 1426.807 1426.3 1426.67 Okay . 1426.67 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 1427.344 1428.592 1427.344 1428.56 So um - TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 1429.744 1442.753 1429.76 1442.753 maybe we could um for example uh only light the buttons that are um uh applicable at that moment or yeah . I dunno , it's uh that's more Sebastian's uh um 1438.92 1439.32 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1432.741 1433.473 1432.85 1433.473 But um - TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1435.664 1437.434 1435.69 1437.31 Necessary , yeah . 1437.01 1437.31 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1441.234 1446.832 1441.37 1446.832 Yeah . But then Bluetooth uh might be problem . 'Cause I think Bluetooth uh 1442.29 1445.18 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 1442.142 1442.664 1442.21 1442.41 Hmm . 1442.41 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 1446.469 1458.042 1446.469 1457.98 It's use uh a lot of uh well Well , cell phones have uh integrated Bluetooth also and , well , it's it seems to work uh quite okay . So uh technically it will be possible . 1450.18 1453.27 1453.75 1455.84 1457.98 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1447.943 1449.824 1447.98 1449.74 Yeah , I know it from the cell phone . 1448.55 1449.74 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 1448.309 1450.238 1448.34 1450.238 Well does it ? I'm not sure . Uh 1449.18 1449.97 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 1455.536 1455.904 1455.56 1455.86 Yeah . 1455.86 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1456.352 1461.153 1456.37 1461.153 But you can't you can't use Bluetooth all the time , twenty four hours a day . Does it 1459.24 1460.8 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 1460.336 1461.144 1460.36 1461.04 No , you cannot . 1460.67 1461.04 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 1460.298 1466.32 1460.42 1466.04 Okay . Gentlemen , I'm afraid we do not have any more time . Um 1461.62 1463.1 1465.27 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1462.256 1463.104 1462.256 1463.03 It's over ? 1463.03 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 1462.49 1463.797 1462.49 1463.51 Okay . 1463.51 TS3011a C MTD042ID 2 1465.323 1465.901 1465.41 1465.59 Okay . 1465.59 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 1467.456 1483.856 1467.456 1483.81 so we will go back to our own uh work . Um next meeting starts in thirty minutes and um , well , you know your o your individual actions or your personal coach will probably email you about th it . Um so 1471.65 1476.07 1476.41 1482.07 TS3011a A MTD041PM 0 1484.864 1487.749 1484.88 1487.62 this was it . See you in thirty minutes . 1486.39 1487.62 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1485.44 1485.984 1485.52 1485.91 Okay . 1485.91 TS3011a B MTD043UID 1 1487.882 1488.439 1487.97 1488.35 Great . 1488.35 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 7.449 8.516 7.5 8.17 Welcome back . 8.17 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 8.734 9.646 8.84 9.57 Hello . 9.57 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 9.201 9.6 9.27 9.54 Hello . 9.54 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 10.88 12.464 10.9 12.36 Uh let me see . 12.36 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 13.567 15.303 13.71 15.2 There's one of mine . 15.2 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 26.688 30.365 26.73 30.14 Okay . Roo , welcome back . 28.29 29.05 30.14 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 31.088 32.176 31.15 32.06 Hello , Flores . 31.43 32.06 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 32.304 34.057 32.34 33.99 The waiting is for Sebastian . 33.99 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 34.807 35.687 34.807 35.687 . 35.687 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 37.84 38.976 37.86 38.61 There he is . 38.61 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 39.024 47.842 39.024 47.842 Is there any time for a cup of coffee ? Can I get a cup of coffee ? Okay . 43.04 45.7 47.8 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 39.52 43.947 39.54 43.91 We have a slight problem . I opened uh the C_D_ ROM box uh guys . 41.64 43.91 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 42.368 42.87 42.39 42.69 Sorry ? 42.69 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 44.64 47.28 44.66 46.89 Uh no . You can't , sorry . 46.08 46.45 46.89 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 47.84 49.36 47.87 49.22 So just cancel it . 49.22 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 50.562 55.216 50.67 55.216 Well , during my work I have no time either . So 51.58 53.08 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 53.424 59.136 53.424 59.09 Well , this is life . Sorry uh , Roo . 55.36 58.07 58.59 59.09 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 59.2 64.874 59.22 64.73 Yeah , I opened the C_D_ ROM box . Accidentally . But it's alright . 59.59 62.24 64.08 64.73 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 61.728 67.712 61.75 67.62 Okay . Okay . People , welcome back with the second meeting . 63.37 64.55 64.81 67.62 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 68.704 96.944 68.704 96.9 Um for now on the schedule are a few points . Uh first of all the opening , which we are doing now . Um second , I received um some new project requirements . I'm not sure if you received them as well , um but I will tell you about it . Um then um the three of you uh prepared a presentation , I think ? Sebastian ? 75.02 76.92 78.59 79.97 85.02 87.76 90.37 95.67 96.33 96.9 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 89.664 90.4 89.69 90.16 Mm-hmm . 90.16 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 97.088 97.824 97.11 97.78 I think so too . 97.78 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 97.952 98.304 97.99 98.26 Roo ? 98.26 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 98.448 99.232 98.47 99.232 Yeah . 98.77 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 99.328 107.869 99.37 107.79 Ruud ? Almost , okay . Then we'll do your one uh uh as la uh the last . Um the top goal of this m 100.44 101.3 102.13 105.51 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 99.792 101.023 99.81 101.023 Almost . 100.9 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 106.723 111.088 106.93 111.05 But you can't upload your presentation from here , I believe . 110.57 111.05 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 111.408 116.64 111.408 116.64 Um we will figure that out . Ca can you try to 114.87 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 114.4 114.784 114.42 114.75 Okay . 114.75 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 115.376 119.841 115.4 119.59 Uh if it if it if it's wireless I could just uh put it in the . 119.59 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 118.064 119.528 118.08 119.49 Yeah , w we will see . 118.71 119.49 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 119.216 123.888 119.24 123.74 I don't think it's wireless here . Or it is . Yeah ? Okay , great . 121.66 122.58 123.13 123.54 123.74 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 120.688 122.992 120.81 122.96 Um it is , yeah . 122.68 122.96 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 120.831 122.919 120.93 122.63 It is . It is . 122.12 122.63 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 123.275 123.824 123.32 123.78 Uh okay . 123.78 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 124.048 137.349 124.07 137.27 Yeah . Um the top goal of this meeting is to reach a decision on the product , on the target group um and and the functions of the remote control , so keep that in mind . Um 124.98 130.78 134.7 136.42 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 138.752 140.384 138.752 140.33 we have forty minutes . So 139.99 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 141.504 142.896 141.52 142.896 it's now - TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 143.801 169.888 143.82 169.85 Yep . Okay . Um the new project requirements , first of all , um we didn't speak about it , but we should not um support teletext in the remote , um because our b um board uh feels that uh teletext is out of date and internet is replacing teletext . So um we are not even going to try to um implement it in our product . 144.15 145.04 147.06 148.08 150.45 156.25 165.13 169.85 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 170.896 208.064 170.896 208.03 It's a board decision . Um the remote control should only be used for television , because it's not uh f uh feasible , it's not uh w uh uh we we cannot make it because of the time to market um that we have to deal with . Uh the third requirement is that we should focus on customers that are younger than uh forty , which is important for you , uh Ruud , and as well for uh Roo . Because the product should um be uh interesting and and uh should be bought by people younger than forty . Um 172.42 176.25 178.73 187.05 193.48 194.93 195.96 198.05 207.13 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 179.36 179.784 179.39 179.71 Yeah . 179.71 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 185.072 185.776 185.11 185.72 Time , yeah . 185.59 185.72 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 209.152 220.816 209.152 220.78 then for Roo , as well uh important , the corporate image should be recognisable in our product . So the colour colours and the slogan um do have to be uh in the product . 209.96 211.36 214.66 220.78 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 221.392 221.865 221.45 221.83 Yes . 221.83 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 222.368 223.008 222.39 222.97 Is that clear ? 222.97 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 225.52 227.232 225.54 227.12 Any questions on these - TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 228.48 229.232 228.5 229.18 requirements ? 229.18 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 232.048 232.352 232.07 232.32 No ? 232.32 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 234.032 241.168 234.032 241.09 Okay . Um the individual presentations , I th um Roo or Sebastian , who of you would like to start ? 235.3 237.25 239.92 241.09 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 243.12 243.936 243.16 243.9 Yeah , I'll start . 243.34 243.9 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 243.92 245.888 243.95 245.74 Uh uh yeah . Okay , great . 244.57 245.06 245.74 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 244.149 244.596 244.25 244.52 Yes . 244.52 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 245.632 246.417 245.65 246.417 Um - TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 248.944 250.224 248.98 250.224 Oh , how can I uh 249.23 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 254.208 256.224 254.23 256.15 Geez , and sli and show . 254.85 256.15 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 259.216 260.224 259.63 260.224 Um - TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 265.888 267.216 265.91 267.18 Just uh press it . Uh yes . 266.69 267.18 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 268.688 269.36 268.71 269.19 Alright . 269.19 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 271.024 285.568 271.18 285.5 Um well w we uh we had discussed this already in the fin in the previous uh discussion . Uh the method of the remote control is just the function of remote control is basically to send messages to the television set . 278.71 285.5 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 286.576 287.28 286.6 287.21 So that was - TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 288.816 315.648 288.85 315.56 the main uh important thing what a remote control should do . Then I found uh two different kind of remote controls , the multi-function uh remote control with many possibilities , but um the lack of the feeling I already mentioned uh in the previous uh discussion . And the ease-of-use remote control with uh the less p possibilities but a great feeling in in touching the buttons . 293.63 297.34 301.36 308.18 315.56 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 290.752 291.109 290.79 291.01 Yeah . 291.01 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 307.968 308.49 308.0 308.35 Mm-hmm . 308.35 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 315.929 316.208 315.97 316.15 Yeah . 316.15 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 317.968 320.032 317.99 319.81 Um but um yeah . 319.81 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 321.312 355.776 321.33 355.71 My personal preferences were ease of uh the easy to use remote control , because uh the user-friendliness and uh it can be more trendy in in user design . But um your new goal f was for uh people than less than forty years old . So maybe um the multi-function can be implemented in uh in our design . But it should b I think it should be a combination , but teletext buttons are not uh in our design . So it should uh 326.25 331.8 339.73 346.84 350.09 354.58 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 339.072 339.536 339.09 339.5 Uh-huh . 339.5 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 357.184 367.664 357.2 367.63 take out , well , eight buttons or so . But my in my opinion , the the easy to use R_C_ is uh the best uh possi possibility for us . 358.32 358.84 361.07 362.36 367.63 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 367.776 368.272 367.8 368.24 Okay . 368.24 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 369.488 372.272 369.65 372.19 Uh Ruud , did you get that ? 371.24 372.19 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 373.088 374.48 373.11 374.45 Yeah , uh b uh most . 373.41 374.45 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 373.189 373.524 373.27 373.42 Yeah . 373.42 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 374.8 376.672 374.84 376.672 Okay , so the important thing here is 375.14 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 376.543 386.496 376.543 386.4 And it's also i indeed uh uh Ruud's uh insight in the in the topic . Yeah , what what does the market want ? I I don't know . 383.38 383.81 385.25 386.4 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 377.317 378.401 377.38 378.23 Oh , user-friendly . 377.64 378.23 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 382.752 384.144 382.77 384.05 In the market , yeah . 383.8 384.05 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 386.512 388.668 386.53 388.668 Yeah , okay , w we will s we all uh 386.84 387.12 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 387.164 394.688 387.43 394.65 Just for uh for user desi uh user uh friendliness I uh should choose for the the ease of use remote control . 394.65 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 394.718 397.344 394.76 397.3 Yeah . Okay . Sebastian . 395.61 396.71 397.3 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 397.44 401.008 397.44 400.51 Okay . 400.51 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 413.552 416.208 413.552 416.208 Excuse me . 415.85 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 414.96 416.896 414.96 416.896 Scusi . 416.59 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 419.872 420.352 419.9 420.352 Um - TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 422.4 424.224 422.42 423.89 Okay , it's still the right thing . 422.92 423.89 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 426.448 455.27 426.47 455.18 Okay . Um well , there are some changes in the design requirements , so there are some changes in the method also . Um basically all this device has to do is send messages to a T_V_ set . And the m most easy way to do this is by uh sending pulses of infrared light to a T_V_ set . Well , I th I tried to uh implement a picture here , but it's hardly readable . 427.69 429.92 434.0 436.71 442.51 449.31 449.67 453.73 455.18 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 454.032 455.328 454.05 455.328 Energies and uh - TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 456.416 458.448 456.44 458.448 Can you see it ? No ? Well 457.66 458.13 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 457.04 458.356 457.13 458.23 No , it's not visible . 457.48 458.23 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 459.488 501.848 459.56 501.74 Um , there's a energy source here . And um basically there it's connected to three things . The user interface connected to a chip , which is connected to the sender , which generates messages using uh infrared light , which are sent to the receiver . That's basically the idea . And there's a little picture , just for your imagination , how a device like this should look or can look . Okay . Um what have I found . Usually these kind of things consist of a battery , infrared diode , buttons , chips , and circuit board . That's all . It's cased together , nothing more than that . It's almost every piece of equipment um 460.26 462.39 466.38 468.58 470.55 474.84 476.25 477.87 479.49 480.78 485.49 486.51 488.25 491.04 492.31 492.88 493.25 494.3 495.18 496.21 498.22 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 503.28 546.447 503.72 546.08 every piece of uh every T_V_ set is controlled infrared . There are some exceptions , but most of all have uh infrared controls . And uh the more luxury uh remote controls have lithium buttons . And I think that's what we w yes . In the and it's a little more a little bit more fancy also . So maybe we should consider that . Okay . I have a basic scheme of the things uh which are implemented . Um basically this is all there is . There's just one chip . There are a few buttons connected . Uh the buttons are lit . And the whole thing is transmitted by a infrared li diode , and there is not a power source here . 507.07 508.34 512.62 516.48 520.0 523.15 526.55 527.37 532.23 535.77 537.01 538.65 540.17 544.48 546.08 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 505.632 506.026 505.65 505.94 Yeah . 505.94 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 518.016 521.558 518.06 521.25 The glow in the dark uh concept uh we discussed . 521.25 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 524.154 524.496 524.18 524.44 Yeah . 524.44 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 525.392 526.0 525.47 525.88 Okay . 525.88 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 546.447 562.224 546.447 562.224 So that's basically the total design of this piece of equipment . There's nothing more to it . It's fairly easy . It's been done many times before , and I think we should uh we should c s succeed in in our plan to do this . So 552.35 553.69 554.63 557.32 561.49 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 552.576 553.76 552.6 553.72 So it's fairly easy . 553.72 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 557.168 560.213 557.168 560.04 Succeed in it also . 560.04 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 557.264 558.016 557.264 557.93 Okay . 557.93 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 561.456 562.998 561.48 562.9 Okay , good . 562.67 562.9 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 563.92 602.769 563.92 602.19 Okay , so uh personally I think we should infra use infrared , because uh otherwise our device cannot uh communicate with uh almost every T_V_ set . So I think that uh should be clear . Uh another important point is uh we really should use uh energy uh sparse , friendly components . Uh there are specially uh designed um energy-friendly components which consume uh far less power than uh conventional components . And um if we want to use uh a rechargeable design or uh a energy-save design , we should really implement them . 564.67 567.9 574.31 577.08 582.32 583.72 593.21 600.92 602.19 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 576.751 577.152 576.78 577.1 Okay . 577.1 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 602.769 626.213 602.769 626.14 Um for cost-effectiveness , we should really use a very low-cost uh circuit board , um because most of the production cost are are in this uh part of the equipment . And um the money we save on using this we can use uh for elaborate fancy lighting uh techniques , blinking LEDs and all that kind of fancy stuff . I think our uh users will really uh will really like that . 605.59 608.66 613.93 620.73 623.37 626.14 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 613.216 613.664 613.25 613.59 Okay . 613.59 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 626.112 632.768 626.21 632.768 And what's the um if we use the LEDs , i does it use much more energy or 629.88 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 632.542 637.465 632.62 637.39 No , they're p f uh power friendly LEDs also . So we can use them . So that's no problem . 632.96 635.09 636.6 637.39 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 635.04 635.595 635.06 635.47 Okay . 635.47 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 637.328 640.515 637.35 640.515 For the same costs , it's can be uh in our 639.19 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 639.101 645.429 639.15 645.429 Uh no , they're uh they're a little bit more expensive , but by uh um um making 639.61 641.95 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 644.693 646.981 644.71 646.981 Combined with the low-cost circuit board so it's uh - TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 646.512 648.166 646.54 648.08 We can we can make its I think . 648.08 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 647.808 654.592 647.83 654.55 Well you could only lit uh the buttons the buttons that are used most . So , the channel switching . 653.05 653.46 654.55 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 655.312 655.742 655.33 655.7 Yeah . 655.7 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 655.435 667.889 655.49 667.83 Yeah . Yeah , but but the question is whether um two or four buttons makes uh m makes such a difference in the costs if you already plan to uh include fancy lightning techniques , I guess . 656.3 656.56 667.25 667.83 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 656.08 656.368 656.14 656.368 Or - TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 656.638 657.278 656.67 657.05 Okay . 657.05 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 661.255 662.062 661.34 662.062 But I think - TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 667.104 667.525 667.12 667.4 Hmm . 667.4 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 667.552 668.255 667.58 668.22 Hmm , true . 668.01 668.22 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 667.744 674.78 667.76 674.78 Yeah , I think it's the same as in the cell phone , just light in in the device that that shines on all the buttons , and not for 667.95 669.57 674.08 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 674.096 683.28 674.12 683.21 Yes . Well , it's not one light , it there are more lights in a in a in a mobile device . No no no , no . That's right , that's right . So well , this uh should be it . 674.62 674.77 675.51 678.7 679.38 679.7 680.21 681.44 682.28 683.21 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 677.376 679.728 677.4 679.69 Yeah , but not for each button one LED , I think . 677.62 679.29 679.69 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 681.12 681.552 681.14 681.5 Okay . 681.5 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 683.488 684.016 683.56 683.96 Okay . 683.96 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 683.713 685.92 683.713 685.81 Um have a think about it . 685.81 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 686.64 686.912 686.71 686.86 Yeah . 686.86 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 687.968 688.752 687.99 688.54 Okay , Ruud . 688.34 688.54 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 687.992 690.96 688.02 690.74 Oh , mine is already outdated . 689.47 690.74 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 691.44 698.96 691.46 698.93 Okay well , we ar we are very curio curious to what the market um will feel about such a product . 692.21 698.93 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 692.048 693.435 692.048 693.435 Since uh - TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 700.336 703.392 700.36 703.26 So any income is welcome . Input . 702.8 703.26 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 703.792 704.256 703.81 704.256 Okay , make 703.97 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 708.336 708.768 708.36 708.768 Well - TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 712.72 716.288 712.74 716.1 Uh then I'm sure the target market is uh ten million units . 716.1 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 717.488 723.92 717.51 723.89 Of of which we should sell about uh forty percent to make the five million . 723.89 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 724.784 728.088 724.8 728.088 Could you step a little bit more to the right ? Yeah , thank you . 727.07 727.5 727.81 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 724.896 725.368 724.99 725.23 Okay . 725.23 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 727.034 744.489 727.13 744.34 But um since uh the other part is uh forty percent of the market , I uh thought earlier we might want to constrain that portion of the market . But uh since uh the requirements changed , that's uh not a good idea . 732.51 738.1 742.87 744.34 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 748.016 751.344 748.04 751.344 Uh well , skip this . 748.94 751.14 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 749.936 752.112 749.96 752.112 Yeah . 751.87 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 752.667 782.214 752.74 782.17 Well , it's this till true , of course . That they only use ten percent the buttons . The buttons to zap are used the about uh fifteen hundred times , when uh the power button is only used one time . And the volume button's only four times . So they're obv obviously uh the most important buttons . And uh lots of people complained they kin can't find their remote control . So we might want to build in a feature to uh support them . 752.99 753.94 755.13 758.51 764.42 767.54 769.29 774.06 777.86 782.17 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 777.328 777.911 777.38 777.72 Mm . 777.72 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 783.28 786.416 783.3 786.416 Some uh audio signal . Like uh home phones . Or 784.77 786.24 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 784.87 785.367 784.89 785.33 Okay . 785.33 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 786.544 787.472 786.56 787.44 Well , that's interesting . 786.7 787.44 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 786.527 790.736 786.75 790.7 Or a find a finding function , you know . That's quite a yes . 788.63 789.09 790.7 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 787.492 787.941 787.56 787.85 Yeah . 787.85 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 788.608 795.56 788.63 795.47 Yeah , that's definitely interesting . It uh it separates our product from others uh as well . Okay , go on . 789.25 791.06 794.79 795.2 795.47 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 791.461 792.355 791.57 792.1 Sound signal . 792.1 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 793.742 794.249 793.86 794.1 Yeah . 794.1 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 794.512 794.826 794.53 794.71 Yeah . 794.71 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 794.834 795.281 794.97 795.23 Yes . 795.23 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 797.842 802.512 797.92 802.43 Well , I just said that . And uh well , this obvious , and he also said it . 798.65 799.63 800.42 801.16 802.43 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 803.824 806.272 803.87 806.24 Okay . So that's what the market tells us . 804.74 806.24 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 807.024 808.8 807.06 808.6 Uh that's about it , yes . 808.33 808.6 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 808.288 809.632 808.31 809.59 Yep . Okay . 809.19 809.59 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 810.387 814.707 810.58 814.707 The volume and uh the zap buttons are the mostly used . So 814.24 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 813.68 818.368 813.7 818.26 Uh mo uh zap buttons most . Volume , they are uh use a lot . But 815.3 816.12 818.01 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 818.977 821.856 819.0 821.856 Yeah , well it should just have a design 819.98 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 819.424 821.423 819.44 821.423 more than all the other buttons . So 821.01 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 823.184 827.904 823.2 827.904 The perfect design for those only those buttons . And first um 826.46 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 825.968 826.384 825.99 826.34 Yes . 826.34 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 827.991 858.5 828.14 858.37 Yes , we should focus on that , I guess . Well , the technical uh there I think there are no technical difficulties . There's no um elaborate technique uh used in this uh kind of equipment . So um I don't think we have any hiccups there . So we can fully concentrate on developing a product that is really um what the market needs . So maybe it's a good idea to think about these buttons and and uh and a sound signal . 828.4 829.47 830.67 831.37 835.21 840.12 844.74 851.87 858.37 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 829.551 830.033 829.61 829.93 Yeah . 829.93 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 830.397 830.74 830.46 830.71 Yep . 830.71 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 855.853 869.077 855.91 869.077 Yeah , the sound signal . Just one thing I'm just wondering , the sound signal , from where do you execute th the s sound ? Another device is not a solution . It should be uh uh 856.53 857.78 860.39 861.61 865.79 867.85 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 862.736 866.755 862.76 866.755 Yeah , that's uh a problem . Yeah . 862.99 866.27 866.61 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 863.092 863.69 863.19 863.5 Well - TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 864.768 868.55 864.8 868.55 Yes . Th that's a bit of that's a problem . Usually 865.4 867.63 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 867.296 873.049 867.32 872.97 Well maybe maybe like clapping in your hands , like um turning on and off the the the lights . 869.9 872.97 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 870.88 871.527 870.99 871.46 Oh yes . 871.46 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 872.463 875.58 872.51 875.48 Yeah , but maybe you'll uh get some new technologies for it . 872.72 875.48 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 872.931 891.409 873.09 891.409 Yes . Well , there there are some devices who uh incorporate this technique already . Um there are video sets and um they have a special button , the find the remote control button . You press it and your T_V_ set starts to make a uh kind of weird sound , and your uh remote controls then start to beep . And um 873.88 874.24 877.69 881.51 884.05 888.11 890.81 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 889.824 892.346 889.87 892.18 Reports rep respend response to it . 892.18 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 891.524 895.184 891.6 895.184 Yeah , just like uh the phones the 891.88 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 892.415 894.145 892.56 894.08 Yes . Yes , that's it . 893.46 893.73 894.08 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 895.28 896.576 895.3 896.24 Yes , same thing . 895.76 896.24 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 895.52 895.824 895.54 895.78 Yeah . 895.78 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 896.0 897.33 896.18 897.19 But uh th - TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 896.304 898.608 896.32 898.55 But but T_V_s don't have all uh - TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 898.816 901.184 898.84 901.15 No , so we we should use something else . 899.12 901.15 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 899.495 900.541 899.81 900.541 uh buttons . Uh 900.4 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 899.896 900.369 900.0 900.369 And you - TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 901.344 902.161 901.36 902.161 Yeah , and usually 901.47 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 901.428 905.152 901.46 905.152 Yeah , because we do not have a a a a a home um 901.72 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 901.551 903.321 901.77 903.321 But I believe you will have an - TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 905.808 909.02 905.91 908.97 We do not control the T_V_ set so well . 908.97 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 908.426 914.656 908.45 914.656 And even if the T_V_ set would have such a button , uh you would have to walk to your T_V_ , and it's 911.03 914.23 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 912.464 921.579 912.48 921.579 Yes , m yes . S and we b we want to make so it's is easy as possible for our customers , so we should think about 912.88 913.34 919.5 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 919.152 923.754 919.17 923.59 Okay . So what about the clapping technique ? Um because you se 920.39 922.57 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 923.073 927.164 923.13 927.13 I'm convinced uh Sebastian will uh find uh one solution for us . 927.13 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 925.049 931.456 925.049 931.42 It's quite complicated . Well , it's quite complicated . Because how can you separate the clapping sound from other sounds . 926.86 927.13 928.26 931.42 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 931.504 932.33 931.52 932.26 And b - TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 931.392 935.872 931.72 935.872 Well , you see it a lot in in light uh lightning uh uh 932.07 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 934.367 956.221 934.41 956.14 Yes , yes . Well , basically the characteristics uh the characteristics of clapping is just an increase in the volume , the amplitude of the sound , which is uh generated a few times within a uh certain period of time . But there are many other sounds uh which are exactly the same from the point of view from a remote control . 934.86 935.84 936.03 942.46 944.37 950.32 956.14 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 942.256 943.672 942.28 943.55 Yeah , a peak . Yeah . 942.46 943.32 943.55 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 949.856 950.184 949.88 950.09 Yeah . 950.09 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 954.317 957.44 954.34 957.41 So if if you'd be watching a movie , it would constantly beep . 956.27 957.41 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 957.856 958.752 957.88 958.69 Yeah , that's true . 958.25 958.69 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 957.969 960.148 958.13 960.02 Yes , so we don't want that . 958.96 960.02 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 959.35 979.408 959.44 979.408 But we can have just uh uh a home stat uh f a base station next to the T_V_ . Just a little antenna or uh something . Well if you lost th I don't think people would bother walking to the T_V_ and press that button because they lost the their remote . Uh that's just uh 964.81 969.53 977.76 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 961.153 962.001 961.26 962.001 Maybe we can - TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 968.4 973.531 968.42 973.531 Something like that . Well , is there not something f something more easily 969.79 970.22 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 970.316 970.896 970.44 970.896 Well uh - TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 974.944 976.629 975.09 976.18 Well , I don't think uh . 975.27 976.18 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 978.349 1004.576 978.4 1004.44 No , and y the the most important thing for people is that there's a central point to which they can go and uh b uh perform a a some kind of uh . And then uh the remote control uh reports itself , so w we should use have uh we should use something like that . You do not want another device , which can be uh everywhere in the house , which you have to find first before you can find your remote control . 978.63 988.74 992.4 995.87 998.72 1001.53 1004.44 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 984.32 984.632 984.35 984.6 Yeah . 984.6 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1004.374 1009.091 1004.374 1009.03 just a base station next to the T_V_ is the best possibility . 1009.03 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1006.353 1011.75 1006.39 1011.35 Yes , something like that . But that will be very costly , I think . So that's not a good idea . 1006.76 1007.74 1009.05 1009.92 1011.35 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1009.632 1031.987 1009.99 1031.91 Yeah , m maybe um w we uh we do agree on on the thing that the remote should have such a function , if it's possible within the costs and all that kind of things . Um maybe Sebastian should have uh a detailed look later on and um come up with a solution , because that's his his field of expertise . 1010.4 1018.85 1022.28 1029.5 1031.91 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1010.432 1011.028 1010.56 1010.71 Yeah . 1010.71 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1021.904 1022.256 1021.93 1022.2 Mm-hmm . 1022.2 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1025.846 1026.517 1025.93 1026.39 I will . 1026.39 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1028.896 1029.193 1028.93 1029.12 Yeah . 1029.12 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1028.975 1029.376 1029.1 1029.34 Yes . 1029.34 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1032.213 1053.42 1032.26 1053.24 Yes . But um before I do that I w I want to warn you that uh by implementing this kind of a function the technical design will become more complicated um and it will become more costly also . Because there will be additional components which which uh will be used . And there are some implepe imp 1032.96 1046.31 1051.17 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1042.496 1042.912 1042.53 1042.86 Mm-hmm . 1042.86 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1046.256 1046.601 1046.28 1046.46 Yep . 1046.46 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1052.419 1059.488 1052.44 1059.45 And do we even uh prefer the sound above the the LEDs , the lightning uh 1058.53 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1058.526 1067.101 1058.75 1067.101 Well , I I think so , because um when you have a p newspaper over your remote control , you cannot see it . So 1059.73 1060.72 1065.45 1066.57 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1060.259 1060.783 1060.28 1060.75 function ? 1060.75 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1063.44 1065.504 1063.46 1065.504 It's a unique item uh - TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1066.664 1080.682 1066.83 1080.51 Yeah , it's a distinction in the market . It's a different exactly . It's an uni an unique feature , and um I think um it's worth um uh looking and and probably more i interesting than uh than the lights . 1067.0 1068.53 1069.97 1072.02 1080.51 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1067.325 1070.17 1067.38 1070.07 It will be an a unique feature of our remote control . 1070.07 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1068.885 1069.221 1068.91 1069.06 Yeah . 1069.06 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1071.2 1071.489 1071.22 1071.44 Yeah . 1071.44 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1080.452 1092.699 1080.51 1092.59 And just about uh the user interface , I came up with um an easy remote control and an advanced remote control . What should we choose in in design ? 1082.58 1089.7 1092.59 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1089.296 1089.584 1089.33 1089.55 Yeah . 1089.55 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1093.488 1103.568 1093.51 1103.568 Yeah . Well , um according to Ruud , um people do not use um all the extra features very very often . So 1094.17 1094.75 1096.18 1103.06 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1100.193 1101.415 1100.21 1101.26 Well , the extra functions . 1100.39 1101.26 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1103.808 1106.032 1103.85 1106.0 I have the numbers r I have the numbers right here . 1106.0 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1106.08 1106.688 1106.14 1106.62 Okay . 1106.62 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1108.368 1116.384 1108.39 1116.34 Well , t uh we won't support teletext which which was the third-most the second-most used function . 1108.55 1116.34 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1113.248 1114.183 1113.27 1114.11 Used option . 1114.11 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1116.368 1123.44 1116.39 1123.44 Okay . Well , we we do have a wise board , so I'm not questioning that . 1117.77 1118.28 1119.87 1123.11 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1117.059 1122.608 1117.059 1122.608 Okay . 1122.27 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1123.36 1126.544 1123.38 1126.51 Uh well yeah , channel selection is obviously the most important . 1124.1 1126.51 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1126.816 1134.854 1126.88 1134.8 Yeah . Okay , so on the relevance scale uh the channel selection , the volume selection and the teletext . Well , we skip that . 1128.05 1128.32 1130.86 1133.81 1134.19 1134.8 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1128.569 1129.187 1128.62 1129.187 So - TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1133.156 1135.792 1133.24 1135.792 Yeah . Yeah . So 1134.5 1135.39 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1135.984 1143.76 1136.0 1143.76 Well , so it just th the basic functions . And we don't have to use it for D_V_D_ players uh and all kind of stuff . So 1136.18 1139.08 1142.36 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1136.036 1136.525 1136.06 1136.45 Okay . 1136.45 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1141.761 1145.701 1141.83 1145.701 No , no . So that's out of the question . So 1142.36 1142.97 1145.17 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1142.272 1142.656 1142.33 1142.55 No . 1142.55 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1142.359 1142.758 1142.38 1142.72 Nope . 1142.72 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1144.864 1152.801 1144.88 1152.801 Yeah . Just through uh the easy uh design . We can make uh a nice design when when there's not mu uh much buttons in it . So 1145.48 1148.78 1152.43 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1144.926 1145.424 1145.0 1145.39 Yeah . 1145.39 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1147.376 1149.645 1147.49 1149.61 Uh uh uh I think we should go for the easier one . 1149.61 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1149.874 1165.184 1150.14 1165.184 I think also . Yes . Well , we should save costs uh by not implementing a lot of functions and uh the money that we can save from that we should use for uh having a nice design and uh thinking about the user interface and 1151.67 1152.44 1152.87 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1152.826 1153.199 1152.9 1153.07 No . 1153.07 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1162.601 1162.935 1162.63 1162.88 Yeah . 1162.88 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1165.12 1172.688 1165.18 1172.688 Okay , Ruud , how do you feel about that ? Uh do you agree , do you think the market would would respond to uh a simple 1165.41 1165.71 1167.39 1168.08 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1172.816 1176.598 1172.85 1176.52 Uh well if we um include other uh innovative - TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1177.52 1186.022 1177.54 1186.022 functions uh then they uh might , 'cause young people uh like new features . So 1181.83 1185.46 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1178.304 1178.72 1178.33 1178.67 Mm-hmm . 1178.67 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1185.385 1185.735 1185.45 1185.7 Mm yeah . 1185.7 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1187.264 1187.968 1187.28 1187.87 Yeah , that's right . 1187.47 1187.87 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1189.264 1191.28 1189.29 1191.28 Okay , so this is is kind of uh 1189.6 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1189.323 1190.068 1189.43 1189.84 Mm . 1189.84 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1191.2 1197.605 1191.23 1197.48 Uh just a few buttons , trendy design , nice lightning effects wh and the sound . 1192.72 1194.27 1197.48 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1195.62 1216.775 1195.74 1216.775 Okay . Well , is it maybe there's another possibility . You can make it look like an easy s piece of equipment , but it's quite elaborated , uh because it has many functions . Maybe it's more important to make the make it look like a very uh friendly , easy to catch piece of equipment , but um nevertheless 1196.67 1197.08 1199.06 1202.24 1203.67 1206.66 1211.47 1213.9 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1206.058 1206.367 1206.1 1206.29 Yeah . 1206.29 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1215.68 1230.832 1215.7 1230.72 But but are we not in in the in the manual uh I mean if you have few buttons , no display , um I mean uh I guess it's l it's working with with a shift functions and um one button can uh 1220.89 1222.45 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1220.823 1222.848 1220.94 1222.6 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 1222.32 1222.6 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1229.946 1242.0 1230.21 1241.61 Ok like that . Well , I was more thinking about a more elaborate way of controlling , by by these kinds of sticks or something like that . I don't know if if it's user-friendly . That's your field of expertise . 1231.83 1232.34 1235.43 1238.09 1240.37 1241.61 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1242.24 1244.795 1242.39 1244.795 Yeah , I don't know yet . 1242.83 1244.38 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1242.706 1254.688 1242.74 1254.63 But but how does how does the remote uh report uh r uh give back to the user w in what state it is ? Because we do not implement uh a user history . 1251.7 1254.63 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1252.635 1260.638 1252.66 1260.5 Mm-hmm . There's no , but there's no way to do that , because we cannot implement that kind of the system . W 1253.74 1254.58 1255.97 1260.29 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1259.856 1264.544 1260.04 1264.544 I know , but but if we use uh like a stick , for example , um 1260.39 1262.56 1263.93 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1263.2 1263.568 1263.23 1263.5 Mm-hmm . 1263.5 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1265.514 1280.355 1265.55 1280.3 Well , maybe we can use a light for that . When you move the stick to a to a position , maybe uh a light next to it can lit up . So you know I've just uh pushed the button , or I changed the channel or t uh turned up the volume . Something like that . 1265.76 1267.36 1270.5 1273.15 1276.08 1279.63 1280.3 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1280.512 1289.778 1280.57 1289.66 And if you use that stick for volume control and channel uh selection , you have the m two most important functions in one uh button . 1285.02 1289.66 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1287.472 1292.618 1287.53 1292.49 Yeah . Uh and we could have other buttons for the for the advanced uh functions . 1287.75 1292.49 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1287.557 1288.007 1287.59 1287.91 Yes . 1287.91 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1289.629 1299.657 1289.66 1299.657 But does it uh I then should n just use uh i instead of the stick , uh like many cell phones , just a round m well , should we just use a 1294.95 1296.24 1298.1 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1298.272 1299.84 1298.29 1299.61 Yeah , draw draw it on the board . 1298.47 1299.61 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1301.664 1305.36 1301.72 1305.08 Um it's already uh oh , we have a blank . 1304.43 1305.08 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1310.608 1311.04 1310.73 1310.97 Oh . 1310.97 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1315.808 1316.992 1315.93 1316.95 Oh yeah , something like that . 1316.22 1316.95 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1318.656 1320.014 1318.68 1320.014 It's not really a stick , but 1319.77 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1318.777 1327.152 1318.8 1327.12 It's just an easy uh way of of a round button what which can be pushed in four directions . Instead of a stick . A stick is v vulnerab vulnerable 1324.44 1325.17 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1323.082 1324.784 1323.14 1324.66 Yes . Yes . 1324.36 1324.66 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1327.344 1327.937 1327.5 1327.81 Hmm . 1327.81 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1327.936 1329.275 1327.96 1329.13 Yeah , it can break down . 1328.28 1329.13 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1328.146 1333.368 1328.19 1333.3 when it's falling down or uh just a round uh button should be the trick , I think . 1332.93 1333.3 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1329.361 1330.207 1329.45 1330.17 Yes , yes . 1329.94 1330.17 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1329.792 1330.17 1329.84 1330.05 Yeah . 1330.05 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1331.701 1332.17 1331.83 1332.17 And - TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1333.157 1337.456 1333.2 1337.42 Yes , and this also looks more fancy , I think . I think it it will attract uh 1333.51 1334.87 1335.68 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1335.792 1336.112 1335.81 1336.06 Yeah . 1336.06 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1338.528 1341.936 1338.55 1341.79 more uh uh public , I think . But you're the marketing man . 1339.98 1340.72 1341.79 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1338.832 1340.608 1338.87 1340.57 A younger uh Huh . 1340.57 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1342.8 1352.8 1342.82 1352.69 And it's also quite easy to use , so it'll it uh attract younger people because well new , and it might attract older people because it's easy to use . 1344.42 1349.65 1352.69 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1353.936 1354.384 1353.96 1354.35 Geez . 1354.35 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1357.088 1358.352 1357.11 1358.27 Well , volume and 1357.31 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1364.048 1364.992 1364.07 1364.95 something uh - TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1366.48 1367.648 1366.5 1367.648 like that . 1367.44 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1367.648 1368.977 1367.68 1368.977 Uh-huh . 1368.81 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1368.546 1371.023 1368.57 1371.023 The programme up and down . 1370.85 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1369.984 1371.021 1370.0 1370.92 Okay , yeah . 1370.64 1370.92 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1371.712 1376.119 1371.73 1376.01 And the vol yeah , the pen doesn't uh really does what I want . 1372.55 1376.01 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1378.48 1380.096 1378.59 1380.06 Okay , that's good . 1379.69 1380.06 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1381.119 1409.984 1381.19 1409.95 Okay , but w we still we're still in the question of uh um uh putting in advanced options . Um Ruud just told us um the market is interested in some advanced uh new techniques . Um however , uh keeping it simple is is important for the costs and all all those kind of things . We need to find a balance between uh the advanced techniques and and the user-friendliness . 1381.47 1389.1 1396.56 1398.55 1403.2 1409.95 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1404.623 1405.156 1404.72 1405.01 Mm-hmm . 1405.01 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1409.936 1424.56 1410.06 1424.48 But I think our our next step to look at is just that . So I don't think it's um we have something to do . Uh we can't discuss it right now , because n no one of us have has the information to discuss about that , 1413.42 1418.08 1419.63 1424.48 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1424.656 1437.84 1424.68 1437.8 Um well , for we do have to uh decide this this meeting . Yeah . We need to um have the uh the user function uh the functions decided and um 1425.96 1429.79 1430.45 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1425.648 1426.203 1425.67 1426.13 I think . 1426.13 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1429.408 1429.856 1429.43 1429.82 Yes ? 1429.82 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1434.976 1435.376 1435.02 1435.33 Mm-hmm . 1435.33 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1438.784 1439.345 1438.784 1439.28 Okay . 1439.28 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1438.944 1440.64 1438.944 1440.49 uh our target audience . 1440.49 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1440.56 1443.655 1440.58 1443.57 'Kay , but teletext is so uh is just scrapped . 1440.74 1443.57 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1440.514 1441.036 1440.61 1440.93 Okay . 1440.93 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1442.88 1450.064 1442.92 1450.03 Do do you want a list of functions ? Do you want an explicit list ? Uh which uh incorporates all function available on the device ? 1444.65 1446.47 1450.03 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1450.201 1463.517 1450.26 1463.44 Um well , I do not want a full uh it's not necessary to to have a full list , but I want um the kind of functions , for example uh th the most important are volume and uh programme selecting . 1451.35 1455.29 1458.33 1463.44 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1458.303 1460.171 1458.35 1460.1 Okay . Okay . 1459.66 1460.1 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1463.552 1463.952 1463.59 1463.9 Mm-hmm . 1463.9 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1464.016 1465.008 1464.04 1464.97 The ten digits . 1464.97 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1465.776 1474.488 1465.8 1474.488 Well , for example , that that's what we should think about . l how is the remote going to look ? Not not in the user interface , but 1466.73 1467.78 1470.43 1472.74 1474.21 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1472.6 1490.241 1472.66 1490.15 Oh , and just one function . The the the the programme to programme button , the switch to uh two channels , when you have uh something on channel four and something on channel six , just one button which which can uh change yeah . 1473.37 1474.87 1478.44 1482.2 1485.78 1490.15 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1482.112 1483.981 1482.19 1483.8 Mm-hmm . Yes . 1483.52 1483.8 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1485.577 1485.96 1485.6 1485.84 Yeah . 1485.84 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1488.064 1505.52 1488.08 1505.49 A bit of a split mode . Uh l like Yeah . Dual channel watch . Okay , well um m maybe I should write that down . Uh Ruud , um what's your last name ? 1489.25 1490.97 1493.37 1493.86 1500.22 1503.2 1505.49 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1488.167 1490.83 1488.2 1490.7 Change . Yes , yes . 1490.13 1490.49 1490.7 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1492.288 1492.624 1492.31 1492.59 Yes . 1492.59 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1492.864 1493.168 1492.9 1493.13 Yeah . 1493.13 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1497.74 1501.248 1497.74 1501.248 Well you're the secretary . 1501.1 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1506.112 1506.944 1506.21 1506.88 Mielsen . 1506.88 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1507.568 1524.774 1507.64 1524.774 Mielsen , because I I was writing it down in the last uh Mielsen . Right . Um I put all the minutes I make into the shared folder . So if you want to have a look at it , you know where to find it . Um 1508.19 1513.71 1514.41 1519.6 1522.29 1523.99 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1522.894 1529.909 1523.05 1529.909 Mm okay , but make a s make a sub-folder for it , because it's starting to fill up already . 1523.93 1525.62 1529.83 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1523.849 1524.446 1523.9 1524.18 Alright . 1524.18 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1527.221 1531.995 1527.33 1531.995 Yeah , that's that's if you want to do it , Sebastian . 1527.6 1529.5 1531.93 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1527.508 1527.9 1527.63 1527.81 Yeah . 1527.81 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1529.909 1533.242 1529.909 1533.242 Sure . 1533.16 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1530.204 1533.824 1530.204 1533.824 Our B_S_C_ uh W_ uh - TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1534.224 1536.608 1534.224 1536.608 . 1536.608 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1534.937 1536.535 1534.99 1536.535 Okay , um 1535.84 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1538.384 1542.064 1538.384 1542.064 Okay , so so um uh 1538.81 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1545.168 1546.768 1545.23 1546.69 Volume . Programme . 1546.04 1546.69 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1548.192 1550.592 1548.22 1550.592 Uh dual channel . Uh 1550.16 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1550.768 1552.096 1550.79 1552.04 Yes , that's important . 1551.37 1552.04 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1552.416 1554.112 1552.44 1554.08 And and do we want um - TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1555.624 1558.191 1555.68 1558.15 The ten digits ? Yeah , I believe so . 1557.13 1557.43 1558.15 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1555.552 1556.88 1555.69 1556.79 the ten digits ? 1556.79 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1557.181 1560.277 1557.4 1560.22 Well , are are you sure ? I'm not so sure . 1558.06 1559.44 1560.22 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1558.752 1562.432 1558.77 1562.38 Well , if you want to go to channel ninety and you have th that button . 1558.88 1562.38 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1562.416 1562.84 1562.44 1562.74 Yeah . 1562.74 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1562.574 1569.806 1562.68 1569.77 Well , that's complicated , but is that so relevant ? Because I don't think but you should uh shou you should know that . 1562.93 1564.29 1566.37 1569.77 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1564.128 1564.64 1564.15 1564.47 Yeah . 1564.47 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1568.912 1570.371 1568.93 1570.32 I wouldn't buy it personally . 1570.32 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1571.44 1572.321 1571.46 1572.27 If it were so . 1572.27 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1571.597 1576.251 1571.69 1576.251 A remote control without the ten digits . Uh and I think the most 1574.43 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1573.76 1575.449 1573.79 1575.39 Okay , I can imagine when 1574.24 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1575.504 1577.184 1575.52 1577.184 I agree actually . 1576.89 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1577.159 1594.922 1577.2 1594.88 I can imagine when you're when you have a satellite decoder and and you have , well , about six hundred channels , I can imagine you want this . But if you're uh a regular T_V_ user , and you just want uh to watch the the Dutch television networks , well , you can uh you can use uh about ten buttons . That's enough . 1581.1 1581.43 1582.87 1584.49 1586.57 1590.46 1591.15 1594.38 1594.88 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1577.296 1580.537 1577.34 1580.537 Just elder elder people would would buy it , but 1579.99 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1578.354 1578.913 1578.47 1578.913 Well - TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1594.32 1597.2 1594.34 1597.15 But we do have thirteen different Dutch channels . 1597.15 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1594.644 1595.117 1594.79 1595.117 But - TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1595.261 1595.785 1595.3 1595.52 Yep . 1595.52 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1597.55 1598.942 1597.59 1598.942 Yeah , and if if we 1597.72 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1597.584 1599.777 1597.61 1599.72 The older people only use five of them . 1599.72 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1597.543 1601.645 1597.77 1601.45 Well , but how how often do you watch all these channels ? 1598.17 1601.45 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1600.166 1607.192 1600.19 1607.192 And if we are targeting at the younger audience , they will probably watch more channels than the older people . So 1603.42 1606.71 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1601.36 1601.969 1601.38 1601.81 Often . 1601.81 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1606.912 1608.288 1607.06 1608.21 No , you're probably right . 1607.45 1608.21 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1609.008 1609.376 1609.03 1609.34 Yeah . 1609.34 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1609.296 1614.176 1609.37 1614.14 Okay . But I think these uh ten uh buttons look a bit dull . Don't you think ? 1609.88 1613.67 1614.14 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1614.502 1618.479 1614.52 1618.479 Well , it depends on the on the on the looks , on the on the 1615.02 1616.74 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1616.267 1621.856 1616.39 1621.76 The design . Okay . Well , y then there should be should done be done something specific with it . 1617.76 1618.21 1618.42 1621.76 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1616.906 1617.767 1616.99 1617.65 On the design . 1617.65 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1619.339 1619.681 1619.4 1619.681 Well - TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1620.544 1624.864 1620.56 1624.864 You c you can d make them very fancy by um - TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1621.387 1621.754 1621.46 1621.754 And - TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1626.304 1634.579 1626.304 1634.579 I mean Nokia , they have ten digits on their phones and it still looks very fancy . So I'm I'm I do not agree 1629.09 1632.4 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1630.401 1630.912 1630.47 1630.85 Mm-hmm . 1630.85 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1632.32 1632.707 1632.34 1632.54 Yeah . 1632.54 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1635.218 1635.517 1635.25 1635.517 Uh - TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1635.504 1642.951 1635.56 1642.92 Okay , so you can experiment by uh with with shape or with size or with colour , that kind of thing . Okay . 1635.93 1641.26 1642.53 1642.92 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1641.328 1642.592 1641.37 1642.56 Exactly , exactly . 1642.02 1642.56 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1642.604 1655.295 1642.68 1655.22 And um there are some numbers about uh speech recognition here that uh younger people would like it . Uh it might be expensive and uh hard to implement , but it would be a solution uh 1649.76 1653.76 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1656.336 1657.568 1656.36 1657.5 Okay , speech . 1656.8 1657.5 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1656.768 1657.234 1656.79 1657.234 for - TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1657.52 1674.901 1657.88 1674.81 Well , maybe it can be combined with the find the remote control . So um when you add uh speech recognition to your remote control , uh it's very easy to change uh the channel . That's one thing . And it's very easy uh to find your remote control . 1658.26 1661.56 1667.06 1670.64 1671.7 1674.81 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1660.859 1661.241 1660.9 1661.16 Yeah . 1661.16 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1670.064 1670.647 1670.12 1670.53 Yeah . 1670.53 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1673.328 1674.96 1673.35 1674.92 To find yeah . 1674.92 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1675.792 1682.912 1675.81 1682.912 So maybe that's a possibility , but I'm afraid it will be a bit costly . But maybe when we uh 1678.08 1680.81 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1680.192 1680.512 1680.21 1680.46 Yeah . 1680.46 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1680.802 1681.104 1680.83 1681.104 Uh - TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1683.689 1694.789 1683.75 1694.789 If if we would um drop the ten digits but keep the programme and the volume , because maybe people do not always want to use their voice , um 1689.54 1693.91 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1687.536 1687.888 1687.57 1687.84 Mm-hmm . 1687.84 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1689.955 1690.55 1690.13 1690.5 Okay . 1690.5 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1692.669 1693.68 1692.77 1693.65 Okay , okay . 1693.29 1693.65 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1694.318 1700.864 1694.34 1700.77 Especially elder people uh don't like voice recognition . So then we should implement such a but 1697.77 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1700.976 1706.384 1701.0 1706.33 Yeah . But we do focus on younger people . We d it it's a board uh decision . 1701.61 1704.27 1706.33 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1704.528 1709.634 1704.55 1709.58 Okay . Well . I I think it should uh should work , it sh we should manage that . 1705.45 1706.42 1708.18 1709.58 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1704.421 1704.98 1704.57 1704.87 Yes . 1704.87 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1709.52 1715.152 1709.54 1715.1 So we have to i to make um a decision between the ten digits or the voice recognition . 1715.1 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1710.034 1710.608 1710.14 1710.53 Okay . 1710.53 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1714.999 1727.536 1715.1 1726.87 Yes . Well , the voice recognition has the main adva has another advantage . It's mas it makes it very easy for us to implement the find uh find the remote control button uh remote control function . 1715.95 1716.22 1719.05 1726.87 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1726.256 1726.688 1726.28 1726.61 Mm-hmm . 1726.61 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1729.184 1731.36 1729.2 1731.32 So that's that's a big advantage , I think . 1730.97 1731.32 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1729.532 1730.184 1729.57 1729.99 Okay . 1729.99 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1731.664 1732.72 1731.68 1732.65 Okay , g good . 1732.03 1732.65 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1749.312 1749.92 1749.33 1749.8 Okay . 1749.8 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1749.912 1782.909 1749.95 1782.69 There's only one disadvantage uh by implementing this . Um the power saving power saving will be a bit more difficult . So we can expect that there will be a less longer life to the batteries . But maybe can we we can think something smart about it . There are some uh hybrid hybrid devices which incorporate a solar panel and rechargeable batteries . So when you just leave the device in a in a light room , it charges itself . You have to do nothing for it . 1753.53 1760.1 1766.66 1769.77 1776.79 1780.12 1781.54 1782.69 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1766.624 1767.017 1766.66 1766.86 Mm . 1766.86 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1769.648 1769.952 1769.67 1769.85 Yep . 1769.85 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1776.624 1778.142 1776.65 1778.142 Okay . But 1777.83 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1781.648 1784.643 1781.69 1784.61 But but can we manage it bu uh for the costs ? 1784.61 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1783.04 1783.295 1783.12 1783.24 M - TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1784.496 1788.018 1784.496 1788.018 Twelve dollar fifty . 1787.65 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1785.222 1790.08 1785.222 1789.96 Maybe , maybe not . I'll have to find that out . 1788.39 1789.1 1789.96 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1785.376 1787.504 1785.4 1787.504 Because it seems like a very - TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1787.664 1793.68 1787.68 1793.54 And uh if we if we could inc uh include a c a cradle in which it could recharge , 1793.54 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1793.648 1795.392 1793.67 1795.392 Yes . So 1794.89 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1794.857 1798.64 1794.88 1798.64 then there wouldn't be uh a big problem . 'Cause when 1798.07 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1797.664 1798.688 1797.69 1798.64 No , that's very cheap . 1797.9 1798.64 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1799.152 1800.363 1799.18 1800.19 Is a cradle very cheap ? 1800.19 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1799.182 1805.6 1799.2 1805.56 It's Oh , it's very cheap . That's no problem . It's just a a case with two uh metal contacts . 1800.38 1801.05 1802.26 1805.56 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1806.128 1808.705 1806.38 1808.59 I know , b uh but there should be an adapter as well . 1806.72 1808.59 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1806.412 1807.195 1806.54 1807.195 It's - TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1808.415 1814.656 1808.49 1814.59 Yes , but they're they're mass production . They're very cheap . So it will cost us p practically nothing . 1808.85 1810.42 1811.13 1814.59 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1809.353 1809.763 1809.39 1809.62 Yeah . 1809.62 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1811.274 1811.792 1811.33 1811.75 Okay . 1811.75 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1814.576 1818.704 1814.6 1818.67 Okay . We we have uh about ten minutes left this meeting . Um 1815.23 1818.04 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1819.728 1838.7 1819.728 1838.52 I would like to hear um maybe maybe you all have th uh things not um spoken about , yeah , but that are important . Uh Ruud , you you came up with the voice recognition uh data . Uh are there other things about the market we should know ? 1827.93 1828.77 1831.33 1831.89 1835.54 1838.52 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1841.133 1853.717 1841.18 1853.63 Um I think we dealt with the most important information . Just that the younger part of uh the market isn't the forty percent we uh 1846.77 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1854.8 1856.064 1854.82 1855.99 want to sell to . 1855.99 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1857.456 1870.96 1857.48 1870.96 So we we should uh for least a bit uh look at the uh older people . But with uh buttons like that , which are easy to use , we uh might attract them too . So 1864.77 1867.83 1868.65 1870.59 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1865.101 1865.737 1865.13 1865.6 Okay . 1865.6 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1871.632 1872.112 1871.65 1872.08 Okay . 1872.08 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1871.719 1873.184 1871.74 1873.14 I don't think that's a big problem - TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1873.744 1874.016 1873.81 1873.97 Yeah . 1873.97 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1874.16 1879.824 1874.19 1879.824 Okay , so although we are focussing on younger people uh to make it uh profitable uh 1874.44 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1879.382 1881.104 1879.46 1881.05 Yes . Yeah , profitable . 1880.3 1880.63 1881.05 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1880.176 1880.769 1880.2 1880.66 Profitable . 1880.66 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1881.184 1889.488 1881.2 1889.42 Profitable . We we yeah , we still need to take in account the the bit older people . Okay . O okay . 1881.97 1883.39 1886.95 1888.61 1889.42 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 1886.48 1886.848 1886.5 1886.74 Yes . 1886.74 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1891.376 1892.464 1891.376 1892.37 Um Roo . 1892.37 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1893.552 1896.272 1893.59 1896.23 I have nothing uh nothing to add , I think . 1895.76 1896.23 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1895.35 1896.189 1895.4 1896.12 Nothing to add . 1896.12 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1899.008 1899.808 1899.2 1899.73 Sebastian ? 1899.73 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1899.728 1907.792 1900.2 1907.73 Um I just want to make a summary of all all things uh spoken and uh the different possibilities . Um 1907.24 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1903.575 1904.032 1903.61 1903.94 Yeah ? 1903.94 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1905.019 1905.451 1905.04 1905.39 Great . 1905.39 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1909.21 1934.959 1909.3 1934.61 so uh basically we've decided to implement a seemingly uh easy design . So on the outside it looks easy , but uh we can make it easy on the inside or elaborate on the inside . So that's one the those are the choices we have to make . But I think there's a big advantage in making it more elaborate by uh implementing uh speech techniques , uh voice recognition , that these kinds of things . 1915.15 1917.11 1922.0 1925.53 1932.01 1933.53 1934.61 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1932.096 1932.576 1932.12 1932.52 Mm-hmm . 1932.52 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1934.793 1935.088 1934.87 1935.05 Yeah . 1935.05 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1934.959 1969.514 1935.43 1969.06 Um it makes it also more uh attractable , I think , to our uh audience . Um there are some advantages and some disadvantages , and the main advantage is that we can implement uh fancy techniques , which uh I think our customers will like . The disadvantage is that there are some concerns about uh the the costs and um the things like uh battery lifetime , energy saving . Uh another advantage is that the circuit board will become much more easier if we do not do not implement these buttons . 1938.62 1939.29 1942.38 1945.97 1950.48 1952.91 1961.77 1963.42 1969.06 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1962.672 1962.912 1962.7 1962.88 Yep . 1962.88 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1969.514 1990.089 1969.514 1990.089 If we just add uh uh a chip which does the voice recognition , uh our circuit board will become even more cheap . So that's another well , it wa it w it was an issue , but we also thought that we already thought we should do it as cheaply as possible . And this even uh makes it more cheapy . So 1974.65 1977.31 1979.78 1981.56 1987.37 1989.64 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1977.92 1980.548 1977.94 1980.548 Yeah , and that was the main issue , right ? The the board 1978.12 1979.14 1979.49 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1987.04 1987.343 1987.06 1987.28 Yeah . 1987.28 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1989.712 1994.956 1989.74 1994.87 But the cheaper the ch uh the the chip or th what was it ? The circuit board . 1994.08 1994.87 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1993.104 1995.04 1993.14 1994.95 Mm-hmm . The circuit board . 1994.1 1994.95 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1993.887 1994.645 1993.96 1994.41 The board . 1994.41 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 1996.032 1999.268 1996.05 1999.1 The fewer buttons you can use on it . 1999.1 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 1998.583 2002.258 1998.62 2002.22 The fewer buttons you have , the ch ch the cheaper the circuit board , yes . 1999.97 2002.01 2002.22 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 1998.704 2000.416 1998.73 2000.34 No , it's th yeah . 1998.88 2000.34 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 2000.624 2001.632 2000.64 2001.6 Yeah , okay . 2001.33 2001.6 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 2001.424 2002.768 2001.44 2002.73 It's the other way around , yeah . 2002.49 2002.73 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 2002.688 2002.944 2002.71 2002.91 Yeah . 2002.91 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 2003.168 2009.2 2003.19 2009.17 And it's very cheap uh to incorporate uh uh an integrated circuit , a chip . So that's 2007.52 2008.56 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 2010.544 2011.641 2010.57 2011.6 that's another advantage . 2011.6 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 2010.739 2011.808 2010.76 2011.7 It shouldn't be a big issue . 2011.7 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 2011.587 2017.841 2011.74 2017.74 Well it then we should just uh take a look at the costs and uh especially for the voice recognition . 2017.74 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 2012.421 2012.906 2012.44 2012.906 So - TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 2014.83 2016.637 2014.88 2016.637 Yes , because I don't know 2015.67 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 2017.573 2019.92 2017.68 2019.92 Yes . I d I really don't know . So 2018.32 2019.52 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 2020.128 2020.484 2020.16 2020.4 No . 2020.4 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 2021.312 2022.656 2021.34 2022.58 It can be costly . Maybe not . 2022.08 2022.58 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 2021.344 2033.088 2021.38 2033.088 Okay . I'm not sure how how we'll f uh determine the costs , I will have a look at it . Maybe you will get some information on that . Um I'm not sure how how that 2022.96 2027.69 2029.36 2031.3 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 2029.667 2030.114 2029.78 2029.96 Yes . 2029.96 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 2031.258 2037.728 2031.31 2037.728 Yes , I al I I hope my personal coach will uh have a lo uh look at it . 2031.87 2037.45 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 2035.168 2035.464 2035.19 2035.38 Yep . 2035.38 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 2038.208 2040.528 2038.23 2040.45 Okay , great . Um 2038.53 2039.71 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 2041.536 2046.896 2041.536 2046.83 well , I think we're qui quite done . Um for now we will have the lunch break . 2042.28 2044.48 2046.83 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 2042.315 2043.248 2042.37 2043.21 We're done , I think . 2042.84 2043.21 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 2047.321 2048.352 2047.52 2048.01 How nice . 2048.01 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 2048.321 2086.992 2048.38 2086.992 Um I'm don't know how long the break will be , but we'll find out . Um then we will have thirty minutes of time to perform our individual work , uh and I'm sure your personal coaches will uh assist you with it . Um I will put the minutes I just made in the project documents folder . If you want to look at it um well , just do . Um the Interface Designer , um I would like to the next meeting I would like to receive the uh components concept . Uh Roo , um from you I would like to see 2052.03 2053.81 2059.41 2063.77 2067.64 2070.45 2071.35 2074.46 2082.53 2084.37 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 2053.114 2053.648 2053.13 2053.51 Me neither . 2053.51 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 2085.982 2087.264 2086.05 2087.23 Interface industrial . 2087.23 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 2088.432 2088.944 2088.49 2088.944 Uh - TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 2090.272 2098.624 2090.29 2098.58 I'm sorry , yeah , I'm sorry . User Interface Designer , uh Roo , I would like to see the user interface c uh concept . And um 2090.83 2091.39 2092.08 2093.42 2093.92 2097.28 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 2091.024 2093.932 2091.04 2093.932 Yeah . 2093.47 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 2092.039 2093.488 2092.26 2093.488 Well , we understand . 2092.48 2093.28 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 2099.104 2109.179 2099.22 2109.179 Uh the only problem is it that it depends on the divisions the decis uh decisions Sebastian makes . About the voice recognition . Well 2107.17 2108.58 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 2106.864 2107.527 2106.9 2107.527 Well - TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 2107.615 2118.496 2107.76 2118.46 Well , i it should be easy , that's w w what we concluded . It should be an easy interface with not so much buttons . S just a a p a p a volume and a programme one . And um 2108.2 2109.12 2110.84 2114.36 2117.69 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 2110.96 2111.488 2111.02 2111.3 Mm yes . 2111.3 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 2114.224 2114.48 2114.24 2114.4 Yeah . 2114.4 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 2119.73 2124.768 2119.73 2124.73 um yeah , some some fancy lights . I think that's what we decided . 2121.69 2122.9 2124.73 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 2125.776 2128.726 2125.87 2128.47 So we drop the voice recognition ? Or Oh . 2127.8 2128.47 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 2127.776 2137.341 2127.8 2137.341 No no no , we didn't but it shouldn't be integrated yeah , it's of course it's user interface , but um i I was talking about really the design of the 2128.32 2130.67 2132.48 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 2135.767 2142.864 2136.01 2142.81 Okay . Well um do we really have to decide now or can we decide next meeting ? 2137.33 2142.81 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 2141.328 2141.711 2141.38 2141.65 No . 2141.65 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 2142.784 2144.767 2142.8 2144.68 We can decide the next meeting . Yep . 2144.51 2144.68 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 2144.016 2144.432 2144.04 2144.36 Okay . 2144.36 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 2145.552 2148.132 2145.57 2148.132 Because I'll have some updated info on that uh - TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 2147.737 2160.896 2147.8 2160.896 Yeah . I guess all of you have i updated info . I'm sure the marketing expert will receive uh t uh you will do some trend watching . And I'm sure the market will um uh 2148.38 2150.34 2155.71 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 2150.522 2151.23 2150.57 2150.97 Yep . 2150.97 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 2156.29 2156.7 2156.41 2156.62 Hmm . 2156.62 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 2161.888 2170.416 2161.888 2170.35 uh will change , adapt and um so we will see that . Um yeah , that's it for now . 2164.13 2167.8 2169.66 2170.35 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 2163.248 2163.826 2163.3 2163.79 Adapt . 2163.79 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 2163.3 2163.872 2163.36 2163.84 Adapt . 2163.84 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 2163.761 2164.087 2163.83 2164.05 Left . 2164.05 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 2164.219 2164.591 2164.4 2164.5 Hmm . 2164.5 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 2169.695 2170.46 2169.78 2170.24 That's it . 2170.24 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 2171.232 2171.617 2171.25 2171.54 'Kay . 2171.54 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 2171.52 2174.0 2171.54 2173.96 Any other questions or can we have the lunch ? 2173.96 TS3011b C MTD042ID 2 2174.384 2175.232 2174.4 2175.2 We can have the lunch . 2175.2 TS3011b D MTD044ME 3 2176.16 2176.432 2176.18 2176.4 Yeah . 2176.4 TS3011b A MTD041PM 0 2176.496 2178.397 2176.58 2178.15 Yeah , okay . Good . 2176.93 2177.95 2178.15 TS3011b B MTD043UID 1 2176.864 2177.599 2176.88 2177.56 I'll take the lunch . 2177.56 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1.646 6.464 1.646 6.31 Do you need to change anything on it ? Because otherwise I will already open it . 4.5 6.31 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 4.257 4.798 4.36 4.798 Um - TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 6.4 8.224 6.44 8.19 Mm , don't think so . 7.54 8.19 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 8.464 8.96 8.52 8.86 Okay . 8.86 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 10.224 12.72 10.25 12.68 Unless uh things have suddenly change again . 12.68 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 13.984 15.12 14.06 15.01 Is it much changes ? 15.01 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 15.648 20.561 15.67 20.49 Uh don't know . Maybe uh you've got new information , like uh last time . 16.32 19.31 20.49 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 17.04 19.731 17.07 19.731 Uh I didn't No no . I do hot have 19.02 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 22.77 24.992 22.86 24.93 Only the same information . 24.93 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 60.816 61.984 60.816 61.93 Okay . 61.93 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 89.808 91.184 89.84 90.92 Hello , Sebastian . 90.23 90.92 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 91.28 93.728 91.78 93.38 Hello hello Mister P_M_ . 93.38 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 97.51 102.955 97.66 102.67 I believe uh Miss uh Tentel is with us as well , in the control room . 101.29 102.67 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 104.295 107.413 104.295 107.413 Well , that's where the thinking goes on . 105.66 107.28 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 111.056 117.303 111.1 117.08 Oh , it's that Roo again , always late . Bongiorno . 111.37 112.2 115.77 117.08 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 116.648 117.654 116.91 117.59 Bongiorno . 117.59 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 117.968 122.224 117.99 122.224 I think you should punish him . You're the P_M_ . 119.96 122.05 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 120.062 121.177 120.34 121.177 Hmm . 120.91 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 120.465 122.448 120.465 122.448 Punish . 122.06 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 122.368 124.832 122.39 124.68 I see some interesting okay . 124.68 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 124.48 126.256 124.75 126.256 Possibilities , yeah ? 125.8 125.96 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 124.976 127.104 125.0 127.104 You wish . 126.29 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 127.072 130.096 127.072 130.03 People , welcome back . 129.23 130.03 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 130.528 133.68 130.77 133.68 Welcome . Uh 132.48 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 131.952 151.119 132.07 150.99 The third meeting . Um I have some points I would like to uh some some issues I would like to point out . Um first of all , um if you make minutes yourself as well , uh like Sebastian does , um could you put them on the shared folder ? 133.7 140.32 143.15 146.55 148.53 150.99 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 132.732 133.254 132.85 133.17 Oop . 133.17 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 152.576 167.136 152.6 167.05 If you do not make minutes , no problem , but it's easy for me to see what you uh wrote down , so I could uh can uh um use that in the in the report . Um the second thing , um 153.79 154.37 158.04 164.18 166.25 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 155.961 156.502 156.09 156.28 Yeah . 156.28 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 168.864 181.311 168.864 181.27 I was th uh s thinking to myself , I have this little remote control , and I'm talking to it , but I still need to point to the television , because it works with infrared . 171.58 175.08 176.77 179.06 181.27 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 182.976 184.896 183.0 184.83 That's quite strange . 184.83 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 186.288 186.752 186.36 186.72 Yes . 186.72 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 187.04 197.984 187.37 197.69 Okay . We'll come to that later , I g I think . Um the agenda for now uh uh are there any pre-discussion questions ? 188.61 189.84 190.91 197.69 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 188.208 188.592 188.23 188.592 So - TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 200.054 200.65 200.14 200.48 No . 200.48 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 200.192 201.104 200.21 200.78 Not at all . 200.78 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 200.576 200.8 200.6 200.77 No . 200.77 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 200.96 237.222 201.02 237.11 Okay . Um we wi we will have your individual presentations , uh then the decision on the remote control concept , um and uh the closing . Forty minutes in total for this . So um I think we we can immedis immediately start with the individual presentations , um the progress you've made . Um I think it might be smart to look at uh Ruud's um information first , because I understood there are some uh significant changes in the market situation . 201.81 207.19 211.23 213.56 215.66 223.25 226.16 232.97 237.11 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 222.592 223.024 222.65 222.97 Okay . 222.97 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 232.832 233.23 232.85 233.14 'Kay . 233.14 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 236.336 236.592 236.37 236.53 Hmm ? 236.53 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 237.728 238.4 237.87 238.36 Alright . 238.36 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 238.8 239.408 238.88 239.19 Oh . 239.19 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 242.8 243.2 242.8 243.2 . 243.2 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 255.2 257.024 255.22 256.99 Just press the okay button , it works . 256.46 256.99 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 256.448 257.232 256.47 257.232 Yeah , 257.15 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 260.448 260.91 260.47 260.79 Okay . 260.79 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 263.856 265.21 263.88 265.14 Um yeah . 265.14 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 264.304 265.472 264.33 265.38 Yeah . Yeah . 265.02 265.38 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 269.312 272.096 269.33 272.096 My method ? 271.71 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 270.352 273.904 270.352 273.904 How surprising . 273.75 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 274.4 275.728 274.42 275.728 Well , findings . Uh 274.61 275.35 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 276.72 293.168 276.75 293.1 Ease of use is important , but uh innovation is more important , and a fancy look and feel is uh even more important . And uh some fashion watchers have found out that the young target group likes fruit and vegetables 278.15 281.9 286.45 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 295.44 300.736 295.46 300.69 in their uh clothes , shoes and furniture , and that they want spongy material . 296.43 297.71 300.69 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 301.734 303.979 301.75 303.89 Probably watch too much Sponge Bob . 303.89 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 305.96 313.312 306.02 313.22 Uh the older group uh still prefers dark colours . Simple shapes uh m material . But we since we are concentrating on uh 309.09 310.83 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 314.352 315.266 314.37 315.266 the younger group - TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 314.4 321.702 314.42 321.702 Uh w wait a sec wait a se uh could you go to the previous slide ? Um because I'm taking minutes and it 319.21 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 314.945 315.835 315.11 315.75 Oh wait uh wait up . 315.75 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 322.048 322.336 322.1 322.29 'Kay . 322.29 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 322.656 328.336 322.73 328.336 Um were the important themes enclose . Yeah okay . The feel of to be spongy 325.52 326.3 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 328.541 338.16 328.62 338.12 Uh so do you think um when fruit and vegetables are important for clothing and shoes that they are in remote controls also ? 338.12 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 338.32 351.77 338.34 351.61 Well , uh one example given was this , so um I assume they just want something colourful . Not uh specifically uh an apple as a remote control or something . 338.69 342.06 346.2 351.61 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 347.6 348.984 347.62 348.9 Not something dull . 348.9 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 350.315 350.988 350.38 350.94 Okay . 350.94 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 350.776 353.247 350.87 353.16 But they like dark colours , you said in the p 352.05 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 352.848 356.816 352.88 356.76 No , uh the younger group likes uh more colourful 353.09 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 356.816 357.312 356.84 357.28 Okay . 357.28 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 357.824 358.24 357.85 358.18 uh - TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 359.612 361.376 359.65 361.376 objects . But 360.92 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 359.711 365.616 359.74 365.616 Well then I suggest that the corporate colours are grey and yellow . I had 364.29 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 363.92 368.992 364.3 368.96 But can you can you go back to that slide ? The uh just one slide back , no no no . 366.34 368.58 368.96 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 366.752 367.968 366.77 367.87 Which one ? This ? 367.6 367.87 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 370.256 370.56 370.28 370.52 Yes . 370.52 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 372.944 375.648 372.96 375.6 Okay , and the feel of the material has to be spongy . 373.55 375.6 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 376.576 377.024 376.6 376.82 Yes . 376.82 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 377.776 382.978 377.8 382.978 Has it something to do with that uh natural feeling also , do you think ? 382.09 382.72 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 382.8 391.328 382.8 391.328 Uh well , it might . But personally I wouldn't like a sponge as a remote control . But 386.15 387.46 391.07 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 393.04 397.52 393.06 397.44 Maybe soft material or something . But not a real sponge . 395.9 397.44 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 396.096 405.616 396.12 405.56 Okay , so so , yeah , it might not be t uh it it shouldn't be too hard . It it maybe it rubber or or yeah . Okay . 396.36 397.45 397.75 400.08 404.31 405.56 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 402.16 402.88 402.18 402.78 Yeah , exactly . 402.35 402.78 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 406.736 413.587 406.76 413.42 Yeah , and like uh the older group likes familiar materials , but that doesn't mean we should use wood , 406.97 411.34 413.42 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 408.8 410.064 408.82 409.89 Or we could make oh . 409.89 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 414.64 415.28 414.66 415.28 So - TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 415.232 417.344 415.232 417.19 Okay . 417.19 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 418.175 424.505 418.22 424.42 Well , this this is an example of what they would like . But since we're conten concentrating on uh the younger group , 418.38 421.04 424.42 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 426.24 428.64 426.26 428.54 I think we should use soft materials - TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 429.92 436.656 429.94 436.53 and uh make it colourful or uh like cell phones , exch exchangeable covers . 435.17 436.53 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 438.08 438.535 438.1 438.32 Yeah . 438.32 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 438.976 440.528 439.0 440.47 So we could provide - TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 441.664 445.088 441.73 445.05 both for the young and the old what they like . 445.05 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 445.839 446.88 445.92 446.84 Well , that's interesting . 446.06 446.84 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 447.232 448.717 447.34 448.717 It's quite interesting . 448.51 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 448.064 454.385 448.1 454.19 You could make a few v very colourful ones , and uh a very traditional co cover . 451.35 454.19 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 450.807 451.649 450.85 451.33 Yeah , o o 451.21 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 453.472 453.824 453.49 453.79 Yes . 453.79 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 453.528 463.792 453.6 463.74 I'm thinking about uh the Bananarama telephone uh telephone from uh Siemens . The yellow uh rubber telephone . It's the it's the rubber uh 458.37 462.17 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 460.51 461.36 460.54 461.33 Yeah , yeah . 461.0 461.33 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 464.128 465.776 464.15 465.6 Yeah , it is , it is i yeah . 464.4 464.77 465.6 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 464.781 473.001 464.84 472.91 cover . And it's uh colourful . It looks likes a banana . We have the fruit , we have the colours . We have the simple design . 465.89 467.21 469.07 469.97 471.83 472.91 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 467.152 467.497 467.24 467.44 Yeah . 467.44 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 471.488 472.704 471.81 472.51 Do you know the phone ? 472.51 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 472.839 475.151 472.91 475.12 I don't know the phone , but I can imagine it . 473.87 475.12 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 473.851 480.42 473.91 480.42 It's the Siemens uh C_ twenty five , I believe it's it's the one the Post-bank uh gave away , the very 476.08 479.78 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 475.624 477.516 475.72 477.39 Um thirty five . 477.39 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 478.713 482.097 478.84 482.01 Oh , that one , yes . Now I kn uh oh , I know , I know . 479.36 479.83 480.26 481.33 481.73 482.01 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 479.776 483.232 479.8 483.2 And the b the light blue and it's also in yellow . 483.2 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 483.328 485.097 483.36 485.0 Yes , I I've seen it . I've seen it . 483.65 484.66 485.0 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 484.894 487.54 484.95 487.44 You kn you know , Ruud , as well ? About th 485.75 486.13 487.01 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 487.126 488.4 487.15 488.4 I've seen it , but 488.15 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 488.405 511.801 488.47 511.72 Okay . Okay . Um uh okay . Do you have uh thit that was Okay . Okay , so the the m uh important findings are uh innovation is more important than ease of use for the our target group . And um colouring is important and and uh soft materials . Okay . 490.19 491.19 493.33 496.73 496.96 504.53 511.25 511.72 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 493.287 495.312 493.38 495.15 'Kay . Uh that's about it . 494.34 495.15 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 503.856 504.261 503.88 504.18 Yes . 504.18 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 508.976 510.366 509.0 510.24 Uh soft material . 510.24 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 511.49 518.248 511.53 518.17 So So ease of use is important , but technology is twice as important . And what was even more important ? 514.8 516.6 518.17 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 520.592 522.545 520.67 522.45 Uh the fancy look and feel . 522.45 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 522.092 525.343 522.17 525.24 Okay . So that's the most important thing for our customers . 522.68 525.24 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 524.152 525.584 524.2 525.52 Yes . Apparently . 525.04 525.52 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 532.064 533.184 532.08 533.12 Okay , Roo , 532.88 533.12 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 535.461 535.856 535.52 535.82 Yeah . 535.82 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 536.304 538.342 536.32 538.16 could you do your presentation ? 538.16 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 538.064 538.639 538.11 538.52 Mm-hmm . 538.52 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 543.072 550.576 543.45 550.5 Well , I don't ha really have much to add , um because most of things we already said in uh 543.73 545.53 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 552.512 554.0 552.53 553.95 the previous uh discussion . 553.95 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 555.648 556.176 555.67 556.176 Um - TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 560.672 565.904 560.69 565.68 Okay , well it's good to to sum up uh the things we already thought about . 560.96 565.68 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 566.656 591.36 566.656 591.32 Uh the previous ideas were voice recognition and uh the round button for uh the p channel programming and uh volume . Well , a few interface I uh I found on the internet are are these . These are both with uh with voice recognition , but they're very advanced and very high-tech and just um , well , a weird um 576.3 576.83 580.99 584.41 589.17 589.66 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 592.048 592.507 592.08 592.46 Shape . 592.46 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 592.528 613.744 592.55 613.71 shape . So I suggest I couldn't uh I had a small uh mock-up uh sign on the on paper . But it didn't work . My pen didn't load um the information . So I made a really simple f uh a shape on uh in um 594.16 603.67 604.38 607.42 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 614.848 623.886 614.87 623.77 PowerPoint . But we could make uh a round uh an oval uh um remote control . Uh yellow . 616.29 623.19 623.77 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 621.424 625.472 621.46 625.41 Mm-hmm . But it's it's kind of uh it's kind of o organic , so that's very good . 621.89 624.63 625.41 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 625.936 648.091 625.96 648.091 Yeah . And what I'm thinking about , maybe um we should make very light but um uh a grip um I mean this is how you hold a remote control . Um it shouldn't be too uh glatt , too slippery , s because um 627.22 628.42 639.28 643.09 645.95 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 626.4 626.721 626.46 626.69 Yeah . 626.69 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 638.08 638.432 638.13 638.4 Yes . 638.4 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 643.776 644.432 643.88 644.4 Slippery . 644.4 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 647.456 653.952 647.49 653.91 But if you have something like uh the Siemens phone , it's rubber . So it's easy in your hand Uh indeed . 650.36 651.39 653.91 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 647.734 648.673 647.8 648.5 You have to grab it . 648.5 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 650.304 652.16 650.32 652.13 Yeah . Yeah , exactly . 651.42 651.64 652.13 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 653.328 653.6 653.35 653.57 Yeah . 653.57 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 653.431 668.905 653.55 668.64 Yes . There are there are also remote controls who have uh a little shape underneath where you can put your fingers in , so you can get a really good grip on it . So you you don't have to um attain much pressure to it . It's it's a lot easier . So m 654.18 660.4 662.37 666.7 668.34 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 658.66 660.722 658.69 660.59 Yeah , ex for your fingers , yeah . 658.97 660.38 660.59 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 660.792 661.313 660.87 661.07 Yeah . 661.07 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 667.354 671.472 667.39 671.43 Yeah . It grips automatically . Yeah , okay . 668.35 670.49 671.13 671.43 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 670.112 674.07 670.13 674.03 Yes . But I'll I'll go into that deeper in my presentation . 671.03 674.03 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 674.048 675.408 674.07 675.18 Okay , good . 674.79 675.18 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 674.944 676.72 675.0 676.72 Great . 676.39 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 684.272 710.268 684.29 710.15 Oh and um to add on um Ruud's information , in this um interface we can have uh high-tech with the voice recognition and uh , well , the the fancy colours and uh and so on , and still have the ease of use , because we have an easy interface . And all the other remote controls are high-tech in buttons and uh and so on . Yeah . 688.7 695.91 696.12 699.18 700.45 704.57 709.91 710.15 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 707.421 711.761 707.48 711.66 Yeah . Way too much I think for our goal , yeah . 708.49 711.44 711.66 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 711.808 718.041 711.96 717.95 So if you have the voice recognition , you can you can programme like thirty uh um 713.24 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 719.088 721.796 719.11 721.71 Okay , b but I think we'll yeah . 719.76 721.71 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 719.168 721.09 719.19 721.05 thirty c uh controls on it . 721.05 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 719.556 763.347 719.67 763.02 Okay , but I'll I'll go into that , because there are are some possibilities and some impossibilities . Um I had a talk with uh our manufacturing uh division , and uh we had a talk about all the different components um who are in this design . Uh these are the things we've looked at . And of course I used the web to uh find my information . About the casing , we have three different casing possibilities . We have the uncurved or flat case . Uh that's the most common uh remote con control form uh we're used to is just a it ju it's just a box . I'm sorry I I don't have any pictures of uh of this thing . 720.2 721.31 725.51 730.03 737.41 741.02 745.77 746.75 750.0 753.04 760.77 763.02 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 763.347 792.432 763.347 792.35 We have uh a curved one . It's uh curved in two dimensions . You have to imagine it's a bit like a wave form . So it's uh a little more advanced in its in its shape . Uh and we have an even more advanced uh shape , which is curved in three dimension . I c I think you can compare it a little bit with the uh big grey image uh you had in your presentation . The the big remote control , something like that . But it's quite uh advanced and it's 765.56 767.27 770.6 774.71 777.22 779.11 786.42 787.6 789.31 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 771.357 771.873 771.42 771.83 Okay . 771.83 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 785.808 786.144 785.83 786.05 Yeah . 786.05 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 787.328 787.811 787.4 787.63 Right . 787.63 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 794.0 846.796 794.02 846.7 it's quite daring to to use I think . Um for these casings we have uh different types of finishing . We can use plastic , which is uh very slippery and maybe not so nice , but you can give it any colour , uh which is the same for rubber , but it's not slippery . We can use wood and titanium . Well , um we cannot use the titanium on the double curve cases . And these latex cases , there's there's just the plastic ones uh won't allow the use of solar cells as an energy source source . Which brings me to the different energy sources . Um well , we even seem to have uh hand dyn dynamos for uh powering our uh remote controls . You really have to imagine like winding up your uh I d 796.85 801.42 802.8 806.2 807.81 809.36 811.07 814.08 814.86 818.52 820.07 827.71 832.14 833.89 841.61 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 843.392 846.784 843.392 846.784 Great . 846.32 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 846.192 850.8 846.21 850.8 Well , it would be very new to the market , but 846.41 848.63 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 848.617 879.907 848.64 879.79 It would be very new , but it's a kind of a retro uh style , I think . Uh Well , this is quite interesting . Uh there's there's also a kinetic energy supply . So um when you're watching T_V_ uh or when you're you you have to um make some kind of energy kinetic energy by shaking the remote or throwing it against the wall , whatever you wish . It have it it has to move , that's the the sense of it . And you can store the energy in the in the thing . 850.31 852.58 853.08 855.24 856.41 859.35 872.21 873.62 874.99 877.36 879.79 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 852.64 856.209 852.66 856.209 Yeah . 855.58 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 862.496 863.263 862.52 863.21 Like the watch . 863.21 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 880.368 897.591 880.64 897.591 I think um , if if I can hook on to that , um the kinetic thing is very funny . I mean solar is of course it's nice , but it's , well , your uh your calculator has a solar panel . Um hand dynamo 881.5 884.24 889.49 892.35 892.94 893.45 896.04 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 886.976 887.344 887.01 887.29 Mm-hmm . 887.29 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 888.496 889.652 888.52 889.58 It's very funny indeed . 889.58 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 892.596 893.103 892.69 893.0 Mm-hmm . 893.0 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 895.431 895.939 895.49 895.85 Indeed . 895.85 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 896.422 910.993 896.64 910.89 But if you're watching a movie , how many times uh you take the the remote control and and if uh if you have a watch , you have the kinetic uh idea in a watch also . You you walk and uh but uh you you're sitting on a couch . 898.1 903.79 907.66 910.89 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 901.783 902.997 901.84 902.96 Well , maybe m 902.36 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 906.933 907.847 906.99 907.76 Yeah , I know . 907.28 907.76 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 906.943 946.231 907.03 946.15 Mm-hmm . Yes . But you know you know from your own watch your watch uses uh a minimal con it consumes a minimal amount of energy . the the shaking of your body , which is almost uh every activity makes your uh body shake , uh it charges it . But uh the problem here is that it it supplies a a very little amount of kinetic energy . So I think uh you have a problem when you're watching a movie and uh you haven't moved the remote uh i remote control in a in an amount of time , and you want t to switch uh the channel or something , well , m it might not work . So that's something you have to keep in mind . 908.31 909.28 916.24 917.79 922.51 923.87 929.54 939.79 941.99 942.38 943.76 946.15 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 908.811 909.202 908.85 909.14 Yeah . 909.14 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 937.474 937.881 937.52 937.84 Yeah . 937.84 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 939.666 940.299 939.79 940.23 And wha - TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 946.464 946.944 946.48 946.91 Okay . 946.91 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 948.047 961.549 948.08 961.46 So , but maybe maybe there's a possibility com to combine it with m uh traditional batteries , so we can save on the batteries and um when there's enough kinet kinetic energy , use the kinetic energy , and otherwise use the batteries . 948.3 953.67 958.84 960.04 961.46 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 956.064 956.368 956.08 956.33 Yeah . 956.33 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 962.272 968.416 962.29 968.38 Okay , because I guess the voice recognition feature u consumes quite a f uh a lot of power . Yeah . 962.47 968.04 968.38 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 966.809 1000.968 966.83 1000.33 Uh yes , it does . I'll come to that later . And we of course have the traditional uh solar power , which is just uh uh uh uh uh a piece of material on the remote control which transfers light energy into electricity . The user interface controls , um of course we have the push-buttons and uh we also have scroll-wheels . And these scroll-wheels can also be integrated with buttons . So it's just like a mouse . You can scroll 'em , you can also push it . 967.71 969.05 970.29 973.82 985.09 986.45 992.92 995.89 998.28 999.15 1000.33 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 970.0 970.449 970.02 970.37 Okay . 970.37 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1000.968 1037.382 1001.76 1037.382 Um uh in the indicators we have the L_C_D_ displays , which means uh you can watch uh in a display w which channel you have chosen or something like that of the li amount of volume which is uh currently uh and we also have double scroll-buttons , which are just two of these things . So we don't really have the the kind of button we had in mind in our uh uh in our last meeting , the the thing with the the round with the four 1008.72 1024.61 1027.25 1033.88 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1012.896 1013.48 1012.92 1013.43 Mm-hmm . 1013.43 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1036.016 1036.464 1036.05 1036.39 Mm-hmm . 1036.39 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1037.552 1041.872 1037.57 1041.82 Oh , we can just make four push-buttons in a form of a round . 1037.72 1041.82 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1042.256 1044.832 1042.29 1044.8 Yes . That is possible too . Yes . 1043.38 1044.6 1044.8 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1045.12 1061.58 1045.14 1061.48 But I th I don't think uh the scroll-wheels I had some I had some information about it too . I don't think there's any possibility for us to use scroll-wheels . I d I can't see uh any uh scenario where you would use a scroll-wheel with a button on it . 1050.97 1055.79 1061.48 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1049.84 1050.144 1049.87 1050.09 Mm-hmm . 1050.09 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1055.379 1055.919 1055.44 1055.919 Well - TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1060.721 1067.348 1060.85 1067.26 Well , mayb uh well , m me neither . Maybe when you integrate some functions . 1062.32 1063.21 1065.27 1067.26 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1066.176 1070.992 1066.2 1070.96 This will be the remote , right ? Um with uh maybe a channel selector . 1067.61 1068.32 1070.96 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1067.344 1067.745 1067.36 1067.64 Yeah . 1067.64 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1073.903 1074.512 1073.94 1074.43 What about - TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1075.504 1077.804 1075.52 1077.64 integrating a scroll-bar on this side ? 1077.64 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1077.283 1079.386 1077.34 1079.386 Yeah , uh that's a possibility , but 1077.62 1079.1 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1077.907 1083.264 1078.01 1083.23 Uh it's do it's done before . Yes . It's quite quite good , yes . 1080.61 1081.88 1083.01 1083.23 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1079.101 1080.656 1079.19 1080.656 Because this is how you keep it - TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1081.072 1081.89 1081.22 1081.86 But Flores , 1081.86 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1083.68 1087.75 1083.77 1087.75 think about a scenario where y where you would use the scroll-button for - TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1087.344 1087.888 1087.36 1087.85 Volume ? 1087.85 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1088.384 1098.834 1088.4 1098.73 Well , it's it well , i what he means is there's an button integrated in the scroll-wheel . There's no scenario where you use uh the button in the scroll-wheel . You just use the wheel . 1088.9 1089.71 1093.46 1097.43 1098.73 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1091.018 1092.107 1091.04 1092.07 A volume , okay . 1091.53 1092.07 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1098.383 1099.856 1098.4 1099.74 Well , what about mute ? 1099.02 1099.74 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1100.665 1102.071 1100.69 1102.0 About mute . Well , yes . 1101.43 1101.66 1102.0 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1101.45 1107.888 1101.5 1107.888 Thi i i m I guess uh th this is my volume button . And I can either on this side or this side um 1104.75 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1103.01 1103.417 1103.05 1103.34 Okay . 1103.34 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1104.512 1104.816 1104.53 1104.78 Yes . 1104.78 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1106.706 1109.344 1106.75 1109.3 Well , okay . Well , that that that's one possibility , okay . 1106.94 1107.42 1107.57 1109.0 1109.3 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1109.264 1111.36 1109.28 1111.31 And click it to muten the device . 1111.31 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1112.4 1114.838 1112.42 1114.5 Well , okay . It's quite goods . 1112.83 1113.94 1114.5 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1113.44 1121.232 1113.68 1121.16 And and it makes it different from the traditional uh devices on this market . So I'm looking for a way to 1118.86 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1122.272 1138.08 1122.3 1138.01 uh make it a little different than the traditional ones . So maybe um I guess that that's something you two uh need to think about . Uh Ruud , wha what do you thing about uh a scroll-bar ? Uh scroll-wheel . 1126.69 1132.39 1132.6 1136.63 1138.01 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1124.583 1125.84 1124.67 1125.8 Mm-hmm . Yes . 1125.52 1125.8 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1130.18 1130.545 1130.22 1130.45 Yeah . 1130.45 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 1136.576 1137.168 1136.6 1137.168 Um - TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1137.36 1138.052 1137.51 1137.95 Wheel . 1137.95 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 1139.936 1146.126 1139.96 1145.98 Uh well , it's obvious obviously new . So it might attract uh the young customers . 1140.39 1143.0 1145.98 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1146.846 1156.495 1146.93 1156.495 Hmm . But it's done before , uh there are many other devices um like uh telephones and our uh radio , pocket radios . We use this . And 1147.49 1148.4 1153.99 1155.02 1156.11 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1147.136 1147.568 1147.16 1147.53 Okay . 1147.53 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1155.888 1156.16 1155.91 1156.13 Yeah . 1156.13 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1157.536 1164.121 1157.57 1163.94 Well , it's it's been done years ago and I don't see it anywhere now . So maybe it's not no 1158.06 1162.59 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1162.464 1176.941 1162.77 1176.88 Well , all the Sony telephones use it , for example , for volume . Nokia has a well , okay , it's not really a scroll-wheel , but on their side th the the volume button is on the side , because you gri grab it like this . 1162.97 1164.97 1165.51 1166.52 1168.38 1168.72 1170.23 1174.99 1176.88 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1166.333 1166.881 1166.333 1166.881 . 1166.881 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1175.097 1175.488 1175.14 1175.32 Hmm . 1175.32 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1177.088 1179.664 1177.13 1179.62 Yes , but it uses two separate buttons . 1177.64 1179.62 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1179.728 1183.44 1179.98 1183.4 Yeah . I know , it's not really a scroll-wheel . No . Yeah . 1180.87 1181.11 1182.75 1183.2 1183.4 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1180.882 1187.12 1181.0 1187.12 It doesn't use a . Well . Uh something for uh Roo here . 1183.22 1184.33 1186.71 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1185.616 1186.832 1185.64 1186.75 For you too , yeah . 1186.53 1186.75 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1186.963 1206.16 1187.05 1206.13 Yeah , I believe uh if you have uh what we've earlier said , um the grip uh places in in the remote control . You have your hand on one place on the remote control , so you have to place all the buttons in a range of your thumb . So in that case uh the volume button on the side uh of the remote control would be perfect . 1187.19 1190.58 1195.32 1197.23 1202.11 1206.13 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1199.995 1202.208 1200.13 1202.15 Wi within reach . Yes , you have to . 1201.15 1201.71 1202.15 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1202.483 1202.856 1202.54 1202.69 Yes . 1202.69 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1204.347 1204.98 1204.347 1204.82 yes . 1204.82 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1205.764 1230.661 1205.86 1230.58 Yeah , yeah . Okay . Okay , um we have to know , if you want to use uh these rubber double-curved c uh case , um you must use these push uh push-buttons . There's no way you can integrate L_C_D_ displays . There's no way you can integrate scroll-wheels , because it's all curved . There's there are no uh flat areas where you can incorporate these things . So that's a limitation . 1206.39 1207.43 1209.02 1209.5 1210.98 1214.4 1217.46 1219.82 1221.66 1222.92 1227.78 1230.58 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1206.736 1208.527 1206.8 1208.527 Okay . Sebastian . Um 1207.67 1208.14 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1223.043 1223.459 1223.13 1223.42 Yeah . 1223.42 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1230.661 1262.48 1230.661 1262.29 About um the components , uh just the hardware . We basically have uh three types of chips we can use and uh these chips incorporate all the Logica and um um uh hardware that is needed to send uh to send a signal . Uh we have a simple , regular and advanced chip . And there is something like a sample sensor and sample speaker , which is a little cryptic uh to me . But I think that's the the voice recognition thing that we are uh thinking about . 1234.68 1236.25 1249.02 1249.88 1252.03 1255.89 1257.96 1262.29 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1261.598 1301.913 1261.598 1301.913 Yeah yeah , you can um I have some information about it . Uh in the voice recognition you say a word you can programme words like uh v uh volume up . Of mute , let's say mute . Um you programme it , you m mute and you g you give um an uh an action to it that that's really the mute function and uh when you speak in the the remote control , it repeats uh your saying . So that's the sample sensor . So if you say mute , it says mute again , and then it's um well , I believe it's uh 1262.3 1265.36 1272.66 1273.31 1274.57 1276.37 1289.53 1292.84 1295.08 1296.1 1297.71 1300.93 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1268.768 1270.488 1268.79 1270.27 Mm-hmm . Okay . 1269.97 1270.27 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1271.696 1274.544 1271.74 1274.51 Okay . So so okay . 1272.59 1274.51 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1281.808 1282.128 1281.84 1282.08 Mm-hmm . 1282.08 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1284.384 1284.64 1284.4 1284.61 Yeah . 1284.61 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1294.656 1295.088 1294.68 1295.03 Okay . 1295.03 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1297.44 1297.891 1297.48 1297.71 Mm-hmm . 1297.71 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1301.207 1303.468 1301.25 1303.32 It performs the action . Yeah . 1303.1 1303.32 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1302.688 1314.187 1302.71 1314.0 Yeah , and then uh he he repeats its action what which he believes it is . So you say mute , he repeats mute and you makes a computer sound mute , and then goes to the mute function . 1303.05 1307.18 1308.2 1312.2 1314.0 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1303.882 1304.481 1303.97 1304.42 Okay . 1304.42 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1307.339 1307.772 1307.4 1307.61 Yeah . 1307.61 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1313.095 1347.022 1313.095 1346.96 Okay . Okay , so that's basically the the voice recognition item we were searching for . Okay . This sample sensor uh requires an regular chip , I thought . Um no op I'm not very sure . No , it's not in here . If we want to use the L_C_D_ display , we really need the advanced version , which is a bit l little bit more costly . If we want to use the scroll-wheels we need the regular version . And if we don't want to use uh any of these uh more advanced functions we can keep with the simple uh chip , which is a bit cheaper . 1314.1 1314.39 1318.14 1318.69 1322.65 1324.39 1328.5 1328.64 1330.08 1331.74 1333.48 1336.11 1340.14 1346.07 1346.96 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1347.28 1351.824 1347.3 1351.72 Okay . Uh well uh d did we already decide on the display ? 1348.28 1351.72 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1348.512 1348.928 1348.62 1348.88 Okay . 1348.88 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1352.369 1352.742 1352.39 1352.742 To - TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1352.288 1355.296 1352.39 1355.26 Um no , but I think that's something for uh Roo here 1353.16 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1356.903 1378.186 1357.0 1377.99 Yeah . Well , I don't have um I haven't looked for uh for information about it , but I don't think information uh y I don't think you need it on a display . Especially when when we have to look at a cost , I don't think uh 'cause uh uh all any T_V_ can uh can uh view a digit on uh on screen , yeah . 1357.48 1357.75 1362.85 1367.71 1369.77 1377.79 1377.99 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1357.254 1358.243 1357.37 1358.06 to think about . 1358.06 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1367.44 1367.76 1367.46 1367.73 No . 1367.73 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1367.792 1369.047 1367.9 1368.85 I I don't think either . 1368.85 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1370.944 1372.266 1370.98 1372.19 No . I don't think you need it . 1371.36 1372.19 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1376.237 1379.561 1376.31 1379.41 On screen display . Yeah . Okay th 1377.92 1378.84 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1378.448 1432.727 1378.47 1432.727 Okay . Okay , well my conclusion , um unfortunately the market has decided the a little uh other than I thought . I thought um the market would like uh a sort m sort of titanium casing , but they seem to like natural uh stuff . So maybe we should think about uh wood finish . Um I've chosen the more battery with solar cell uh solution for the energy . It's more reliable , it's cheaper . So I don't think we should use the dynamo thing . The kinetic thing it it's it's a possibility . It's it's more advanced , but I'm I think you should combine it with batteries . Otherwise it will not too advanced , uh well . It's in in in some way it can give us an advance , because you will save on your batteries . But 1379.72 1380.04 1381.03 1386.64 1393.04 1395.9 1399.99 1406.52 1407.93 1409.14 1413.2 1416.03 1417.04 1420.9 1423.57 1425.15 1429.32 1432.25 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1409.013 1410.297 1409.03 1410.21 Okay . Good . 1409.86 1410.21 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1411.919 1413.491 1412.0 1413.39 Kineti okay . 1413.39 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 1413.042 1413.527 1413.23 1413.39 Hmm . 1413.39 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1420.592 1424.624 1420.61 1424.59 Okay , it's maybe a bit too too flashy , too yeah . 1420.9 1423.17 1424.59 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1432.265 1435.555 1432.3 1435.5 Yeah , but that that's the same with the solar cell . That's no different . 1432.5 1434.73 1435.5 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1434.4 1437.344 1434.42 1437.31 Yes . And I think it's more robust . It's more uh 1434.96 1436.57 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1436.704 1438.447 1436.72 1438.23 Yeah . Okay . 1437.7 1438.23 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1437.693 1439.92 1437.86 1439.89 But what about um the markets - TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1438.123 1439.136 1438.14 1439.1 Uh it's more functional . 1439.1 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1440.599 1442.698 1440.599 1442.58 uh wants colourfuls - TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1443.696 1448.91 1443.76 1448.91 uh designs ? So if you use titanium 1445.56 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1447.184 1456.671 1447.42 1456.671 No no , but the uh um that's what Sebastian said . He said uh this is what uh this is my personal preference . But but yet , I understood that the market is different . So um 1447.83 1449.97 1453.0 1453.61 1455.86 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1448.624 1449.94 1448.64 1449.78 The titanium thing uh - TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1450.81 1452.026 1450.85 1452.026 we have to skip it . 1451.88 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1452.912 1453.468 1452.93 1453.35 Okay . 1453.35 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1455.2 1456.081 1455.22 1456.03 Oh , sorry . Yeah . 1455.38 1455.82 1456.03 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1455.843 1461.664 1455.86 1461.62 So I think we should skip the titanium uh stuff , and we should uh use wood or something like that . 1459.04 1461.62 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1458.788 1459.201 1458.88 1459.11 Yeah . 1459.11 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 1461.632 1465.184 1461.67 1465.15 And yeah , the yeah , the older people liked wood . 1462.15 1463.79 1465.15 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1461.734 1462.585 1461.75 1462.585 And I would think - TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1462.112 1463.616 1462.13 1463.45 No , r rubber with colours . 1462.34 1463.45 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1465.312 1467.712 1465.33 1467.68 Oh okay , sorry . So it it needs to be rubber . 1465.84 1466.27 1467.68 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 1466.492 1467.165 1466.69 1467.165 No the - TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1468.128 1469.349 1468.15 1469.349 Colourful and - TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 1468.146 1470.4 1468.25 1470.33 Yeah , the younger people liked soft material . 1468.41 1470.33 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1468.49 1468.881 1468.55 1468.82 Okay . 1468.82 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1470.368 1481.612 1470.39 1481.612 Okay , spongy materials . Okay , um well um these scroll-wheels , I think uh they they can be they can be handy . So 1470.84 1473.52 1474.12 1477.55 1481.0 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1470.469 1470.76 1470.53 1470.71 Yeah . 1470.71 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 1471.904 1472.576 1471.92 1472.576 Yeah . 1472.35 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1481.2 1483.808 1481.22 1483.77 And they can be implemented with a regular chip ? 1483.77 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1483.792 1487.428 1483.81 1487.428 Yes , they can . But they really need the regular chip , you cannot use the sa simple 1484.04 1484.48 1485.79 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1486.544 1493.541 1486.56 1493.3 Okay , but we also uh we already need the regular chip for the sample uh sensor speaker oh , evalu 1486.78 1493.11 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1490.24 1493.547 1490.33 1493.547 Well , I'm not very sure . Maybe that's an uh a different 1490.56 1491.36 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1492.464 1496.56 1492.75 1496.56 But but do we want the curved uh uh design , or 1495.93 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1496.407 1521.168 1496.407 1521.13 I think so , if you if you stick with the the simple uh straight-forward uh not curve design , i uh it's too dull . I don't think c our customers will like it . And um if you uh take the double-curved , uh then you cannot um you can only use the rubber buttons and you cannot use the scroll-wheels . So I think this is the best of two worlds . 1497.33 1503.83 1506.16 1508.76 1511.84 1518.0 1521.13 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1503.488 1506.16 1503.53 1506.13 I it's too dull . Yeah . 1505.87 1506.13 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 1505.664 1505.953 1505.68 1505.86 Yeah . 1505.86 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1516.176 1516.528 1516.2 1516.48 Yeah . 1516.48 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1517.984 1519.534 1518.01 1519.45 Okay . Okay . 1519.15 1519.45 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1521.456 1538.027 1521.48 1537.91 Okay , what about um the issue I um addressed at the beginning of the meeting ? Um the voice function w with the infrared uh issue . Because it it's of cour 1521.88 1529.37 1536.42 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1535.984 1536.32 1536.01 1536.28 Yes . 1536.28 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1537.468 1548.043 1537.55 1547.93 It's it's uh I uh I can imagine it's very dull to talk to a device w if you have to point to another device . It's very unlogical . 1545.47 1547.93 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1545.008 1545.296 1545.03 1545.26 Yeah . 1545.26 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1548.256 1553.456 1548.256 1553.42 But most infrared uh remote controls don't have to be pointed at all . 1553.42 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1554.03 1556.64 1554.05 1556.64 Well the there has to be some pointing at . But 1556.35 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1554.271 1554.787 1554.29 1554.787 Well - TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1557.088 1559.069 1557.11 1559.069 It depends also on your on your - TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1557.409 1566.412 1557.51 1566.27 Well , if you if you take your hand before it , okay , it won't work , but you can point it just to the other wall . Yeah . 1557.82 1559.41 1559.84 1560.85 1565.97 1566.27 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1563.36 1581.886 1563.5 1581.77 Well , it depends on your walls actually . If you have uh have um smooth walls , it it it probably you're probably right . But if you have carpets on the wall , which our natural loving friends probably do have , then um yeah , th th it might be a bit more of a issue . 1563.67 1565.65 1568.59 1570.96 1573.85 1578.16 1579.76 1581.77 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1573.648 1575.675 1573.76 1575.61 All lights get absorbed , yeah . 1575.31 1575.61 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1583.168 1598.658 1583.19 1598.61 Yes , because the walls they they reflect the infrared light . So it has an it's easier . Um I suggest we use the the sensor sample . Uh the sample sensor and sample speaker . 1583.62 1586.81 1591.37 1595.39 1598.61 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1583.624 1584.389 1583.66 1584.389 So - TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1585.856 1586.289 1585.92 1586.22 Yeah . 1586.22 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1599.616 1601.552 1599.64 1601.52 Um with a with a regular chip . 1601.52 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1600.128 1601.044 1600.15 1600.9 And the regular chip . 1600.9 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1602.912 1605.5 1602.93 1605.5 I think uh it gives us the advantage of - TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1604.87 1607.616 1604.93 1607.58 And and the scroll uh scroll-wheels . Yeah . 1607.39 1607.58 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1606.928 1615.44 1606.95 1615.44 Yes , yes . And uh skip and skip the L_C_D_ part . I don't think it it's any uh value added thing . So 1607.57 1608.57 1611.44 1615.24 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1608.448 1610.112 1608.448 1610.04 I like the scroll wheels uh idea . 1610.04 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1611.28 1611.649 1611.32 1611.58 Yeah . 1611.58 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1614.096 1616.304 1614.12 1616.13 No . Think so too . 1615.34 1616.13 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1616.224 1634.384 1616.24 1634.384 Well , it looks uh yeah , well um according to Ruud , the the the market likes um new flashy technology , and I mean L_C_D_ is well , ok I know , but it's m it's less um s standard than than 1616.38 1617.27 1619.59 1624.06 1627.34 1627.88 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1616.601 1617.084 1616.67 1616.93 Okay . 1616.93 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1622.112 1622.841 1622.13 1622.79 Technology . 1622.79 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1624.108 1627.318 1624.18 1626.94 Yes . It's not very flashy and new . 1625.45 1626.94 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 1632.064 1632.729 1632.11 1632.57 Standard ? 1632.57 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1635.792 1649.568 1635.95 1649.53 Well , we are not very w we do not know uh much about the the f the financial part . That's the problem . Because if we do have enough um space in in our finance , I would say do integrate it , because 1636.26 1640.66 1641.76 1646.68 1649.03 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1640.855 1641.412 1640.97 1641.25 Mm-hmm . 1641.25 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1646.386 1646.993 1646.48 1646.74 Mm-hmm . 1646.74 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1650.816 1655.357 1650.84 1655.13 it it adds a little ext extra high-tech feeling to it . 1655.13 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1652.98 1653.412 1653.07 1653.38 Yes . 1653.38 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1655.184 1661.056 1655.2 1661.01 But we already have the scroll-wheels , the sp uh the speaker uh the speak recognition , the rubber , 1657.24 1660.47 1661.01 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1659.696 1660.112 1659.74 1660.05 Mm yeah . 1660.05 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1661.296 1665.76 1661.46 1665.73 Uh I think our customers will go insane . It's it's too much . 1664.78 1665.73 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1662.239 1663.42 1662.33 1663.39 the fancy colours . 1663.39 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1663.76 1664.816 1663.83 1664.77 Okay , okay . 1664.4 1664.77 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1665.824 1673.376 1665.84 1673.31 Yeah . Okay , I I agree . I think i Ruud , do you have any um anything you would like to 1667.23 1667.63 1668.94 1669.88 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1674.816 1677.312 1674.87 1677.312 um add or or maybe thoughts or - TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 1678.24 1680.72 1678.26 1680.69 Nah , um n no , I don't think so . M 1678.4 1679.7 1680.51 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1681.008 1684.528 1681.04 1684.528 No ? Sebast uh nee , Roo ? Roo , do you have any other 1681.54 1682.43 1683.05 1683.46 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1683.568 1684.84 1683.62 1684.7 Um no . 1684.7 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1686.688 1687.488 1686.71 1687.45 Nothing more . 1687.45 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1687.456 1691.757 1687.48 1691.757 Nothing more . Um 1690.61 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1690.602 1691.226 1690.72 1691.08 Okay . 1691.08 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1692.656 1695.28 1692.74 1695.24 Uh the n the next phase will be um - TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1693.504 1694.016 1693.52 1693.95 Sebas - TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1696.352 1700.736 1696.37 1700.69 the um not the what is the next phase f Flores ? 1700.69 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1700.864 1710.08 1700.864 1709.94 Well , we we need to describe uh decisions now . So um on the energy , well , we decided . Chip . 1701.47 1705.69 1708.26 1708.45 1709.62 1709.94 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1704.919 1705.408 1704.97 1705.37 Okay . 1705.37 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1706.255 1706.771 1706.31 1706.64 So i - TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1708.184 1708.658 1708.22 1708.62 Okay . 1708.62 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1710.432 1710.88 1710.46 1710.83 Okay . 1710.83 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1711.248 1718.528 1711.27 1718.49 The case uh rubber with uh c one one uh one curve . User interface um 1716.86 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1714.49 1715.437 1714.59 1715.34 Okay , okay . 1715.04 1715.34 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1719.136 1726.03 1719.2 1725.97 Uh but uh can't scroll-wheels uh work with one uh one-curved case ? Yeah , okay . Sorry , yeah . 1724.55 1724.91 1725.44 1725.79 1725.97 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1724.496 1729.603 1724.52 1729.48 Yes , they can work . They cannot work with double-curved . That's that's problem . I'll check it for you . 1724.76 1725.72 1727.62 1728.82 1729.48 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1727.12 1728.144 1727.18 1728.11 Oh , sorry . Yeah . 1727.46 1727.93 1728.11 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1729.472 1741.216 1729.59 1741.15 Um then the corporate identity should be uh in the product . I guess that is something for Roo and Sebastian . Uh you talked about it before , the colours , grey and yellow . 1734.43 1738.43 1739.69 1740.34 1741.15 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1741.248 1741.552 1741.27 1741.52 Yeah . 1741.52 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1742.384 1776.032 1742.384 1775.93 Keep it in mind . And um the buttons , well we talked about it now . The next phase , um Sebastian , um is um the design of the look and feel . The user interface design . And for you , the product evaluation . Um I'm sure your personal coach will give you more information on that . Um and uh the I_D_ and the U_I_D_ need to work together on the prototype drawing on the SMARTboard . 1743.54 1745.05 1747.03 1748.21 1750.65 1758.23 1760.56 1761.53 1763.44 1770.0 1775.93 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1750.643 1751.076 1750.72 1751.04 Yes . 1751.04 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1756.224 1756.64 1756.26 1756.59 Mm-hmm . 1756.59 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1776.176 1776.624 1776.26 1776.58 Okay . 1776.58 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1777.216 1783.633 1777.82 1783.633 And I'm going uh to plan my holidays . 1782.99 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1781.36 1784.598 1781.38 1784.598 Okay . So you will be on the Bahamas . Uh 1782.71 1784.16 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1782.965 1785.376 1782.965 1785.376 The project drawing is for the next - TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1786.72 1792.08 1786.74 1792.04 Yeah , it's it's uh when we come back in thirty minutes , uh you will have a uh prototype ready . 1787.04 1789.96 1792.04 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1789.048 1790.329 1789.07 1790.15 Yeah , right . 1789.91 1790.15 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1792.0 1796.016 1792.06 1795.84 Okay . So can you uh give us a summary of all uh decisions we've made ? 1792.63 1795.84 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1796.08 1801.824 1796.1 1801.824 Yeah ? I can . Um maybe one of you could write it down . Great . Um 1796.91 1797.53 1800.44 1801.11 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1799.6 1800.224 1799.73 1800.17 I'll do . 1800.17 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1805.184 1807.08 1805.29 1807.08 Uh you you need to help me . Um 1806.51 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1806.687 1808.992 1806.81 1808.96 Okay . W start with the casing . 1807.7 1808.96 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1809.152 1812.332 1809.17 1812.3 The casing is curved , single-curved . 1811.4 1812.3 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1810.96 1811.717 1810.98 1811.58 Single-curved . 1811.58 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1811.201 1813.28 1811.25 1813.19 Okay , single-curved case . Okay . 1811.78 1812.88 1813.19 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1815.101 1816.4 1815.18 1816.36 What about the energy source ? 1816.36 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1817.456 1819.504 1817.48 1819.47 Traditional batteries uh and solar . 1819.47 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1819.648 1828.38 1819.68 1828.3 But can there be uh wor can they work together ? Or do we have to choose between them ? 'Cause if we have to choose yeah ? 1823.25 1825.91 1828.3 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1826.221 1829.938 1826.29 1829.938 No , they can be complementary . Uh al al I uh 1826.57 1828.03 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1827.958 1829.48 1827.98 1829.43 I I think they can . Yes . 1829.22 1829.43 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1829.642 1831.879 1829.66 1831.77 Okay . What if not ? 1831.03 1831.77 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1830.528 1831.104 1830.55 1831.104 Well , uh 1830.97 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1831.309 1832.608 1831.34 1832.608 Every device - TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1832.624 1838.624 1832.7 1838.624 It it should be . There should be really no problem . They can be supplementary . That's no problem . So 1833.67 1835.03 1836.11 1838.25 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1835.039 1835.521 1835.12 1835.44 Okay . 1835.44 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1838.063 1840.632 1838.08 1840.58 Yeah . Okay , um th 1838.97 1839.71 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1840.198 1846.448 1840.23 1846.41 So uh uh just uh the energy source is um the batteries and the solar . Okay . 1846.1 1846.41 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1843.856 1846.352 1843.94 1846.32 Battery and solar , yeah . 1846.16 1846.32 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1848.8 1850.88 1848.89 1850.85 What about uh the finishing of the case ? 1850.85 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1851.927 1854.016 1851.98 1853.98 We have decided we wanted to use the rubber ? 1853.98 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1854.096 1866.672 1854.12 1866.64 Yeah , with colourful rubber . Uh if it's possible with uh different um covers , but I'm not sure if our suppliers can uh can help us with uh with such uh uh a wish . 1854.51 1855.81 1860.44 1866.64 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1854.288 1854.853 1854.36 1854.7 Yeah . 1854.7 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1866.624 1872.448 1866.69 1872.41 Okay , and I think we should use the company colours . Something like black and red . uh black and yellow . 1867.46 1870.03 1871.43 1872.41 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1873.488 1875.962 1873.51 1875.86 Uh grey and yellow or black and yellow . Yeah . 1875.56 1875.86 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1874.288 1874.975 1874.31 1874.91 Grey and yellow . 1874.91 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1875.024 1876.048 1875.04 1876.01 Grey yellow , okay . 1875.7 1876.01 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1875.968 1878.852 1875.99 1878.65 Yellow case and grey buttons , I think . 1878.31 1878.65 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1878.144 1888.624 1878.41 1888.43 Yeah , although I don't think that's very colourful . Except for the yellow of course , but um I could think of a more uh attractive uh c uh set of colours . 1878.65 1881.51 1882.88 1888.43 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 1878.814 1879.41 1878.85 1878.92 Hmm . 1878.92 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1887.763 1894.816 1887.85 1894.77 Oh , I think it's uh it's not very dull . It's quite modern actually . Don't you think ? 1888.63 1892.21 1894.33 1894.77 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1896.064 1900.72 1896.36 1900.37 Well , I was more thinking about the fruit colours that the Ruud showed us before . 1896.64 1900.37 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1896.611 1897.8 1896.73 1897.8 I believe the - TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1900.752 1905.41 1900.77 1905.36 But you have already um you must have a red uh on and off button . 1905.36 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1906.8 1907.744 1906.85 1907.744 And um - TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1908.096 1910.112 1908.27 1910.03 Well , it it doesn't have to be red . 1908.51 1910.03 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1908.793 1910.672 1908.86 1910.672 Well well - TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1911.904 1932.08 1912.07 1932.04 Uh I mean th uh I think these colours are really what our young people are looking for . Um so maybe it shouldn't even be two colours , it should be a full colour cover with such an image or or I mean thinking in two colours is is too black and white for our m uh c uh market group , I guess . 1917.84 1919.98 1931.55 1932.04 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1920.531 1920.922 1920.59 1920.83 Hmm . 1920.83 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1926.464 1926.944 1926.52 1926.91 Okay . 1926.91 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 1932.304 1933.376 1932.35 1933.33 Or black and yellow . 1933.33 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1933.696 1935.024 1933.73 1934.99 Black and yellow , yeah . 1934.59 1934.99 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1936.448 1950.24 1936.448 1950.24 Okay , but uh I'm afraid it's not possible to print a picture on uh the device . Because uh I agree it would be nice to have have something like that on the device itself . But 1938.17 1943.98 1949.79 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1949.86 1959.398 1949.94 1959.398 Well , there is . Just a week ago , a keyboard manufacturer would print , with and uh 1950.82 1952.85 1954.74 1957.78 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1956.112 1957.84 1956.13 1957.8 Oh , I've read . Yes . 1956.37 1957.51 1957.8 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 1956.684 1957.168 1956.76 1957.02 Yeah . 1957.02 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1959.065 1966.384 1959.17 1965.98 Yes , but our manufacturing department is not so advanced in its uh techniques . They're actually very slow in its techniques . 1959.46 1964.19 1965.98 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1963.424 1965.444 1963.424 1965.35 No . 1965.35 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1966.608 1969.088 1966.63 1969.05 Okay , so we have to deal with wh what's possible here . 1966.95 1969.05 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1966.759 1967.541 1966.81 1967.541 So - TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1969.368 1970.931 1969.44 1970.79 So I'm afraid it's not possible . 1970.79 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1970.736 1977.504 1970.76 1977.504 Yeah . Okay . Um more f more more decisions we made . Um 1971.73 1973.55 1976.63 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1980.112 1981.968 1980.22 1981.968 Um - TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1983.616 1984.48 1983.66 1984.44 A scroll-wheel . 1984.44 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1984.72 1988.112 1984.74 1988.07 The scroll-heel . Yes , the voice recognition we already decided . 1985.62 1986.09 1988.07 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 1987.083 1988.448 1987.12 1988.41 Voice recognition , of course . 1987.8 1988.41 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 1988.608 1998.464 1988.67 1998.4 Okay , so scroll-wheel . But there will be some additional buttons , I guess . And th the they should be spongy also , because they're they're rubber too . 1989.0 1989.81 1992.06 1992.98 1997.08 1998.4 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 1992.336 1992.896 1992.36 1992.86 Yeah . 1992.86 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 2000.848 2005.978 2000.87 2005.978 Uh I'm going to leave that up to you two . 2005.81 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 2004.003 2005.001 2004.03 2004.93 What what did you say ? 2004.93 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 2005.024 2017.756 2005.29 2017.63 Well uh you can use well , when you use the buttons , they'll they'll be made of rubber too . So it has th the spongy uh feel also . So I I think that's okay . 2008.91 2010.04 2012.88 2016.48 2017.63 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 2013.121 2013.537 2013.15 2013.41 Yeah . 2013.41 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 2015.872 2016.272 2015.89 2016.24 Yeah . 2016.24 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 2018.848 2020.912 2018.87 2020.88 Yeah , or you could use plastic buttons . 2019.01 2020.88 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 2022.208 2022.96 2022.23 2022.88 In the rubber . 2022.88 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 2023.184 2034.608 2023.184 2034.56 I think rubber is nice . Because it uh i I mean what do you touch the button , and what do they want spongy uh uh devices , or or i 2025.98 2029.25 2033.77 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 2033.296 2033.872 2033.32 2033.8 Yeah , b 2033.73 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 2034.864 2042.025 2034.89 2041.9 But then you just have the the fact that um the drawings on the buttons will disappear eventually . 2041.9 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 2043.568 2044.272 2043.568 2044.272 . 2044.272 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 2044.96 2052.192 2044.98 2052.15 What I said in the in the first uh discussion , uh the digit six on the button , it will disappear when it's from rubber . 2048.29 2050.56 2052.15 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 2052.448 2056.158 2052.49 2056.03 Uh is that uh does our our supplier say so ? 2056.03 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 2054.707 2060.704 2054.84 2060.704 It is not uh something uh it's no information I read about it or so , but it's just from 2058.76 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 2059.618 2070.736 2059.66 2070.7 Uh didn't did we inc uh include the digi digits or uh leave them to the speech recognition ? 'Cause things like uh volume could be uh placed next to the button . 2066.34 2070.7 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 2064.464 2066.464 2064.48 2066.464 No , but but uh it 2064.81 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 2070.614 2075.28 2070.65 2075.19 Yeah . You could place a um uh this this would be the button . 2071.58 2075.19 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 2073.432 2074.596 2073.54 2074.55 There the icons . 2074.55 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 2076.752 2079.312 2076.77 2079.24 The scroll-wheel , I mean . And you could place 2077.49 2078.43 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 2078.328 2079.151 2078.36 2079.02 Yeah , b yeah . 2078.49 2079.02 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 2080.336 2082.72 2080.36 2082.72 the indica th th the signals the - TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 2080.698 2081.147 2080.76 2081.1 Yes . 2081.1 TS3011c D MTD044ME 3 2082.656 2085.643 2082.68 2085.29 So you don't touch the icons that much . 2085.29 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 2083.029 2083.712 2083.13 2083.66 That's okay . 2083.66 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 2083.256 2089.552 2083.35 2089.52 Yeah , that's possible , but then you have still the images on the rubber of the case . 2083.87 2085.1 2089.52 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 2090.912 2099.241 2091.03 2099.15 So still then , if you feel uh li uh if you feel your remote control , you just rub on the cover , so you rub on the painting . 2091.79 2095.18 2097.61 2099.15 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 2100.064 2103.552 2100.33 2103.552 No no , there's no painting , only uh yellow or 2100.56 2101.54 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 2102.453 2102.986 2102.51 2102.81 Yeah . 2102.81 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 2104.576 2106.432 2104.6 2106.4 But it's into the rubber . 2106.4 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 2105.392 2107.664 2105.45 2107.63 Yeah , but but the the plus or the minus . 2105.63 2107.63 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 2108.336 2109.341 2108.36 2109.0 Yes , the signs . 2108.51 2109.0 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 2108.519 2109.489 2108.56 2109.489 You have to draw the - TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 2108.872 2118.592 2108.91 2118.47 Yeah , but this is on the pla yeah , I know . Um I think uh I know which you understand af uh I know what you mean . What about um making this rubber 2109.01 2110.59 2111.44 2115.73 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 2110.372 2112.608 2110.4 2112.608 Yeah , it's on the cover . So if you uh 2110.66 2111.58 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 2114.262 2115.802 2114.37 2115.74 You just move the problem . 2115.74 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 2120.0 2121.732 2120.02 2121.64 and making this plastic ? 2121.64 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 2123.312 2124.432 2123.41 2124.39 Uh I see what you mean . 2124.39 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 2125.424 2136.904 2125.44 2136.74 Well , maybe that's possible , because um uh our manufacturing division also offers plastic finishing . So maybe they can combine these two . 2125.81 2126.76 2133.83 2136.74 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 2137.248 2152.784 2137.27 2152.64 Yeah . Well actually , we should have it the other way around , I guess . A plastic cover with rubber finishing . I mean , this is this is the finishing . This is um what's on the edge . What you feel . But the front , 2137.72 2138.34 2139.79 2140.47 2144.17 2144.51 2145.92 2149.61 2151.39 2152.64 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 2150.784 2151.056 2150.8 2151.01 Yeah . 2151.01 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 2153.824 2157.936 2153.84 2157.936 on which the the buttons are doesn't have to be rubber . I mean 2157.46 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 2155.376 2155.95 2155.54 2155.78 Mm-hmm . 2155.78 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 2157.455 2160.207 2157.49 2160.17 Well , I'm I'm not so sure , I think it c should be 2157.84 2158.81 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 2159.089 2161.635 2159.14 2161.635 Y uh can you separate these uh these - TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 2161.198 2176.699 2161.23 2176.61 Well , I'm not sure , I have to ask with manufacturing , but I'm I'm not sure that's what you want , because our customers specifically ask for the spongy feel , and that's what you get with rubber . So if you want the spongy feel , you need uh to make these buttons all all of rubber . 2161.65 2162.16 2163.45 2165.69 2169.04 2170.87 2173.38 2176.61 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 2176.624 2180.176 2176.624 2180.07 I know , but do you touch this or do you touch this ? 2177.48 2180.07 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 2180.368 2182.475 2180.368 2182.21 I think both . 2182.21 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 2181.44 2183.984 2181.46 2183.81 I mean , I I never touch between the buttons . 2181.78 2183.81 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 2184.158 2189.44 2184.19 2189.26 I do . Or the s uh the sideways . Or the the back . Or the back . 2185.45 2186.65 2188.26 2189.26 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 2184.672 2185.236 2184.69 2185.07 I do . 2185.07 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 2186.025 2186.696 2186.05 2186.696 I think - TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 2187.2 2194.272 2187.36 2194.13 Yeah , the side , exactly , the sideways . The side , but do you touch between the the these buttons ? 2187.52 2187.94 2188.37 2190.02 2190.47 2194.13 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 2190.54 2191.232 2190.57 2191.232 I think - TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 2194.646 2207.631 2194.76 2207.56 Yes , especially when there are l a few buttons on it , you have uh a lot of space to touch . So you just have it in your hand completely or or i you play with it . 2194.96 2199.13 2202.52 2207.56 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 2205.92 2230.145 2205.94 2229.94 Okay . Well , we do not have very much time uh left . Um I guess you two have to figure that out . I'm going to leave the decision to you , um because you have to make its prototype , and um yeah y you have the most knowledge about the suppliers , the possibilities and uh so I'm going to leave it the decision with you . Um Sebastian , did you write enough decisions down ? 2206.61 2206.89 2209.54 2212.23 2214.62 2217.76 2221.36 2226.28 2228.29 2229.94 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 2212.048 2212.485 2212.11 2212.31 Yeah . 2212.31 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 2223.413 2223.745 2223.47 2223.63 Yeah . 2223.63 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 2223.441 2223.872 2223.47 2223.6 Okay . 2223.6 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 2229.767 2233.984 2229.87 2233.84 Um not quite . Um what about 2232.08 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 2235.248 2241.362 2236.34 2241.23 uh the chips ? We use the regular chip ? Okay . 2239.08 2240.82 2241.23 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 2240.032 2240.624 2240.06 2240.56 Regular . 2240.56 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 2241.332 2241.706 2241.4 2241.59 Yeah . 2241.59 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 2245.454 2246.32 2245.51 2246.32 And - TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 2246.352 2247.432 2246.37 2247.33 Use with . 2247.33 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 2247.968 2249.488 2247.99 2249.45 Well no , I think that's about it . 2248.68 2249.45 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 2251.744 2252.128 2251.76 2251.94 Yes . 2251.94 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 2253.2 2260.368 2253.22 2260.368 Okay . With those regular chips we can still uh control advanced functions . The chip is is not really 2253.64 2258.75 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 2260.464 2269.568 2260.76 2269.568 The only difference between the advanced and the regular version is that the advanced uh version of the chip supports L_C_D_ . That's all . And we've decided not to use L_C_D_ . So 2266.68 2267.24 2269.02 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 2266.336 2267.152 2266.36 2267.07 Okay , well . 2266.84 2267.07 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 2268.766 2274.48 2268.93 2274.43 Yeah . Okay . Um okay , then I think we are uh quite finished . 2270.02 2271.01 2271.77 2274.43 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 2275.872 2279.856 2275.89 2279.856 Um I'll see you guys in thirty minutes and um - TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 2279.063 2279.92 2279.063 2279.92 . 2279.92 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 2282.0 2283.564 2282.16 2283.51 For the finishing touch . 2283.51 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 2283.456 2288.768 2283.55 2288.65 Yeah ? Yeah , um if you write wrote anything down , uh could you put it on the shared folder ? 2284.2 2284.41 2286.3 2288.65 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 2284.07 2284.666 2284.2 2284.51 Okay . 2284.51 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 2288.944 2289.552 2289.14 2289.49 Okay . 2289.49 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 2289.74 2290.32 2289.81 2290.27 Uh yeah . 2290.27 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 2290.72 2291.008 2290.74 2290.97 Yeah . 2290.97 TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 2291.568 2292.4 2291.6 2292.37 But um - TS3011c B MTD043UID 1 2293.68 2294.96 2293.7 2294.93 Sebastian has everything . 2294.93 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 2295.056 2296.576 2295.09 2296.576 I know , but well 2295.4 TS3011c C MTD042ID 2 2298.032 2298.936 2298.15 2298.88 I'll put it online . 2298.88 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 2299.27 2299.694 2299.31 2299.55 Great . 2299.55 TS3011c A MTD041PM 0 2314.962 2316.432 2315.17 2316.35 Right . 2316.35 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 235.664 252.809 235.684 252.654 That's the same as uh on the top of it uh with the the round uh button . But uh we don't uh we don't uh we do think it's um well what if with ease of use , w which prefers the which the the customer of the user prefers . 242.054 247.874 252.654 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 240.624 241.264 240.644 241.194 Like this one . 241.194 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 246.624 247.569 246.644 247.444 It's important . 247.444 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 250.928 285.376 251.704 285.274 Uh I think th this is device which which has a learning curve . Um novice users u use this device as uh normal users use uh a c a remote control . And after a while they start to develop uh some skills in the the voice recognition functions , and then they will not use this dial as often . But other users who are new to this device need something like that . They n they need to understand what uh how to change channels and uh change the volume , so it's easier for them 255.594 262.594 268.944 273.114 276.794 283.974 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 273.883 274.315 273.934 274.254 Okay . 274.254 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 285.344 289.301 285.484 289.224 Could could I see the scroll bar as uh as as a sort of shortcut ? 289.224 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 289.95 291.721 289.984 291.721 Yeah , maybe so . Yes , it's 290.164 290.904 291.244 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 290.249 294.207 290.284 294.207 A a and the voice recognition as well , th maybe you could uh could uh 292.354 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 293.425 306.714 293.544 306.554 Well , it's it's it's another approach , it's more that our um . There are there are many ways of doing uh things uh on such a device . It's it's quite easy . 293.974 295.464 298.064 304.854 306.554 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 304.608 309.232 304.624 309.164 Yeah . Okay . Okay , good . And and the case is is rubber ? 305.644 306.864 307.104 307.624 309.164 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 309.36 310.128 309.434 310.034 Yes , rubber ? 309.734 310.034 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 310.448 311.296 310.464 311.234 And the buttons ? 311.234 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 311.67 314.112 311.67 314.024 Plastic or rubber . Well , yeah . 313.414 313.754 314.024 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 311.808 314.027 311.808 313.974 There are plastic or rubber . 313.974 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 314.096 315.936 314.114 315.774 Okay , and uh the colouring ? 314.754 315.774 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 316.416 318.48 316.434 318.094 Uh yellow with uh - TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 318.4 319.984 318.4 319.944 with with grey or black . 319.944 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 320.048 327.228 320.144 327.228 grey or black or something like that . Whatever cost uh cost uh the least . 322.054 326.804 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 325.744 329.904 325.744 329.784 Okay , we'll we'll come to that later . Um 327.094 329.124 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 331.168 334.528 331.494 334.528 okay . Anything else to add or 332.954 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 334.736 340.388 334.754 340.388 No . Uh maybe we should uh think about these buttons . But 335.814 339.974 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 339.44 339.808 339.464 339.774 Yeah . 339.774 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 339.743 349.488 339.824 349.384 Well , you could use two of them to programme the um channels on the two channel button , 'cause you have to assign two channel new channels . 339.964 346.684 349.384 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 346.719 351.924 346.774 351.854 Yes , but it but these are tasks that are only executed once , I think . Or not ? 346.984 350.004 351.384 351.854 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 350.56 360.073 350.834 359.974 M uh yeah . M m but maybe you do want a programme button to uh for example activate the voice recognition , or train the voice voice recognition . 352.094 357.924 359.974 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 353.023 353.358 353.084 353.358 You - TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 357.964 361.872 358.064 361.824 Well okay . Okay , yeah , that's right . Or something li like that . 359.054 359.754 359.864 360.794 361.824 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 361.025 363.92 361.184 363.814 And a button for disabling the voice recognition . 363.814 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 364.448 377.399 364.474 377.324 Yeah al although by pressing the button for I n don't know two , three seconds , you could also say it you'd disable it with a little beep and and but o okay , that that's not really really important . 369.044 369.694 375.234 377.324 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 372.352 372.905 372.374 372.714 Yes . 372.714 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 373.677 374.128 373.734 374.064 Yeah . 374.064 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 376.866 378.613 376.866 378.544 That's the basic idea , yeah . 378.154 378.544 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 378.224 379.376 378.244 379.344 The basic okay . 379.344 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 379.504 380.337 379.524 380.204 Of our prototype . 380.204 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 380.704 385.773 380.724 385.654 Okay . Um you thought of some evaluation crit criteria ? 381.554 385.654 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 386.533 387.115 386.594 386.894 Yes . 386.894 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 387.696 388.176 387.754 388.144 Okay . 388.144 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 403.024 405.163 403.254 405.163 Uh my name is not name but - TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 405.102 409.968 405.102 409.968 You are nameless . 409.874 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 408.976 413.12 408.994 413.084 Uh well , I used the the uh documents . 409.904 413.084 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 414.816 415.872 414.834 415.714 And these uh - TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 417.744 419.28 417.774 419.214 were the most important criteria . 419.214 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 420.16 423.537 420.16 423.537 Is it spongy ? 423.454 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 420.263 430.159 420.314 430.159 It should be . yeah , that's uh how the fashion guys uh state it . Fancy look and feel . So 420.754 423.604 428.354 429.724 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 430.912 438.48 430.954 438.384 So just walk through it step by step . I mean , is it fancy , everything I believe uh 434.224 434.804 436.094 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 439.232 440.051 439.254 439.854 Uh well appar - TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 439.366 440.746 439.434 440.746 I believe it's fancy . 440.674 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 440.368 441.555 440.384 441.434 I believe it's fancy too . 441.434 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 441.325 445.792 441.344 445.792 Yeah , but apparently uh we shouldn't evaluate yet . So 441.614 445.294 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 444.576 444.896 444.594 444.824 No . 444.824 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 444.816 445.857 444.954 445.704 Oh , sorry . 445.314 445.704 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 446.784 447.434 446.844 447.364 Okay . 447.364 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 446.948 449.783 446.994 449.724 Okay , so this these are the cr uh the criteria . 447.534 449.724 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 449.68 452.204 449.704 452.174 Yeah , I think these are the most important criteria . 449.794 452.174 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 451.76 453.136 451.784 453.136 Okay , well 452.824 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 453.536 454.768 453.554 454.594 So uh that's about it . 454.594 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 454.382 457.984 454.424 457.984 the then we'll switch to my presentation . Um 457.084 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 467.712 474.736 468.204 474.736 The production costs . The costs are not under 471.694 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 476.624 478.264 476.674 478.264 Can I - TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 486.348 488.304 486.494 488.304 Um this is the - TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 489.92 490.624 489.944 490.564 Twenty two . 490.564 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 490.688 506.224 490.934 506.194 Yeah , it's it's w way above um uh above the the the twelve Euro fifty . And what makes it very expensive is uh for example the solar cell . So I guess we should skip that , because it's not that important . 491.534 497.564 501.504 504.484 506.194 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 492.241 493.073 492.294 492.934 Yikes . 492.934 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 501.296 502.773 501.314 502.454 Well it's very expensive . 502.454 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 506.704 507.217 506.724 507.124 Okay . 507.124 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 507.104 511.488 507.274 511.404 Why does the price and and the s oh , one uh exa yeah . 509.544 511.404 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 510.528 528.736 510.844 528.674 Yeah , the the price , the the number of items and the the sum . Um well , this is what I would call our luxury model . Um if you would if you look at the uh w w w what we could do to make it more um 511.064 511.994 515.534 516.464 520.024 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 512.835 514.346 512.874 514.244 The number of uh yeah . 514.244 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 514.892 515.472 514.892 515.414 Okay . 515.414 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 521.744 523.026 522.144 523.026 And and does it - TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 529.888 534.848 529.888 534.794 to make it just between the twelve Euro fifty , um then I 533.514 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 535.952 556.288 535.984 556.288 did the following changes . Twelve Euro forty cents I came up with by leaving out the solar cells , um by not using the voice recognition feature , because it's uh it's a four Euro uh addition to the price . Um 538.144 544.414 549.244 555.444 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 544.272 544.792 544.304 544.594 Mm-hmm . 544.594 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 548.751 549.249 548.804 549.114 Mm-hmm . 549.114 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 558.896 559.68 558.914 559.68 Yeah , I believe 559.154 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 561.136 564.491 561.424 564.491 Uh , push-button , well 563.124 563.724 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 565.712 567.344 565.784 567.314 It makes it the thirteen yeah . 567.314 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 569.056 579.024 569.074 578.994 Push-buttons are buttons are are not the most expensive , but do add extra cost . So um yeah , th this design is not um 572.784 575.454 576.984 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 574.864 575.232 574.894 575.174 Hmm . 575.174 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 580.176 582.016 580.194 581.944 within our price model . 581.944 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 582.72 583.248 582.784 583.194 Okay . 583.194 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 584.0 584.8 584.024 584.8 Um - TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 585.248 595.389 585.264 595.304 But I'm afraid it's not complete . Because we use spec uh specic uh special materials , the last item . And you have not added one item there . 588.474 592.224 593.294 595.304 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 596.192 596.448 596.214 596.414 Yeah . 596.414 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 599.856 601.952 599.874 601.874 So it's c way too expensive . 601.874 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 601.952 605.288 601.974 605.288 It's still too expensive , yeah . Um 603.524 604.654 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 604.48 608.544 604.604 608.474 But that's that's only for the buttons . So the button we can use plastic . 606.494 608.474 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 606.366 611.664 606.524 611.664 I I guess if we leave the if we leave this one out , um oh . 609.964 611.554 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 613.783 616.768 613.884 616.584 And uh maybe not use the special form . 616.584 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 615.254 616.064 615.274 616.064 And the pla uh - TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 617.296 620.704 617.314 620.674 And a plastic b just plastic buttons , a plas uh instead of rubber . 619.034 620.674 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 618.655 619.495 619.004 619.495 But it - TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 621.424 628.08 621.424 628.08 It becomes a very dull remote control , I know . But it's the board decision . Um 624.614 625.144 627.524 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 623.8 624.274 623.874 624.234 Yes . 624.234 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 631.936 633.36 631.954 633.204 And um yeah . 633.204 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 634.368 650.799 634.804 650.799 Well , b basically it when when this is our only option , we should even consider changing the casing , because I think there's very little added value in uh an enhanced case with these dull functions . So 635.784 639.984 642.634 650.124 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 646.0 646.304 646.024 646.274 Yeah . 646.274 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 649.392 653.2 649.414 653.2 Yeah , I know . Maybe we should look at an uh focus on another uh 650.034 650.284 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 654.592 657.418 654.614 657.374 Type of m maybe another market segment . 657.374 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 655.753 666.385 655.814 666.385 Yeah , m uh maybe not not all that fancy , but just way way more easy uh uh um basic and uh m maximise the profits and um 656.414 658.344 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 661.076 661.534 661.234 661.464 Yeah . 661.464 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 662.608 662.928 662.624 662.894 Yes . 662.894 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 667.204 675.76 667.244 675.724 That's maybe that's better . Maybe we could uh we should go for straight and simple , but that's not what uh has been asked . 669.684 673.564 675.724 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 668.416 668.721 668.434 668.614 Yeah . 668.614 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 672.928 673.217 672.944 673.144 Yeah . 673.144 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 676.4 677.408 676.444 677.374 I know , I know . 677.034 677.374 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 677.488 682.112 677.504 682.112 So we should kick the board's uh Well - TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 680.181 703.432 680.181 703.394 Yeah . Although I think we yeah , but we could still make uh a remote control that ap uh um applies um more to young people uh by giving it another colour already . Um so it is possible to make uh uh a device that attracts a little bit more to young people . 683.054 684.764 697.144 703.394 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 696.256 696.592 696.284 696.544 Hmm . 696.544 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 703.712 704.096 703.734 704.054 Yes . 704.054 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 704.438 710.784 704.464 710.754 Um but uh I agree it's it's not a fancy high-tech uh device . Definitely not , no . 709.694 710.614 710.754 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 713.248 721.984 713.248 721.894 It's not that innovative . Or however you s pronounce that . Um so , okay . 717.314 719.874 721.474 721.894 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 719.816 721.127 719.874 721.127 Yeah , too bad . 720.064 720.584 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 723.28 724.256 723.28 724.256 Um - TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 727.476 728.848 727.574 728.734 Oh , this is the wrong one . 727.934 728.734 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 735.347 737.968 735.374 737.904 So uh that means redesign . 737.904 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 739.408 750.825 739.408 750.724 We do not have the time o uh now to to redesign the product . Um but we can evaluate the process and um uh 743.684 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 742.835 743.401 742.914 743.334 Mm-hmm . 743.334 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 752.032 761.36 752.164 761.324 uh the satisfaction on how things went . Um I'm not sure if we need to evaluate uh the device first . 756.064 761.324 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 762.384 762.992 762.404 762.992 I guess - TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 763.287 767.611 763.444 767.611 Um well , since we're not gonna manufacture it anyway 764.044 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 766.608 767.232 766.634 767.232 Yeah . 767.154 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 768.432 769.28 768.584 769.244 Yeah , that's true . 768.754 769.244 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 769.36 779.846 769.684 779.846 Well , maybe it's good to do it anyway , because if we evaluate it , we we can also determine if our objectives are good . So 770.084 772.144 774.774 779.384 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 773.76 774.8 773.794 774.764 We l we can learn . 774.764 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 776.915 777.248 777.034 777.204 Yeah . 777.204 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 778.848 779.072 778.864 779.024 Yeah . 779.024 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 780.112 782.736 780.464 782.736 I agree . Well 782.334 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 783.648 785.472 783.664 785.472 Is it fancy ? 785.364 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 785.728 788.044 786.004 788.044 I d it is it is - TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 786.239 786.779 786.334 786.779 Uh - TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 796.112 796.66 796.134 796.474 Yay . 796.474 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 798.624 799.1 798.644 798.954 Is it ? 798.954 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 800.816 801.536 800.834 801.424 Is it fancy ? 801.424 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 802.4 803.455 802.454 803.244 Yeah , I think so . 802.704 803.244 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 802.489 804.544 802.654 804.514 Um the yellow rubber , I think so . 803.714 804.514 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 803.202 804.017 803.294 803.904 I think so . 803.904 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 805.36 807.088 805.36 806.874 You like the rubber , uh Roo . 806.354 806.874 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 807.248 811.338 807.248 811.338 I'm into it . 810.524 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 810.72 811.952 810.744 811.914 So uh one ? 811.914 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 812.917 814.192 812.964 814.134 But it's not that fancy . 814.134 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 812.898 816.4 812.984 816.224 Yeah . No , I'll I'll I'll give it a two . 814.784 815.064 816.224 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 814.838 815.537 814.974 815.454 I mean - TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 816.752 829.74 816.774 829.74 I think uh I think it would have been more fancy if we used the titanium housing the casing . It would be even more oh , you really like titanium . I'm I'm into it . 823.134 825.474 826.984 829.364 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 823.984 826.885 824.084 826.885 You like tita - TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 829.969 831.299 830.044 831.264 That's a flavour as well . 831.264 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 832.032 836.001 832.154 836.001 It has flavour . Yes , that's right . You should taste it . 833.014 833.254 834.674 835.894 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 833.68 836.864 833.68 836.864 Right . Um 836.134 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 838.896 839.751 838.914 839.751 Is it uh - TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 839.151 842.832 839.234 842.832 Yeah , I know , but but it but that's fancy in the way um 839.374 839.604 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 845.456 848.8 845.474 848.8 I mean fancy has has a lot of - TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 849.008 852.768 849.084 852.768 It has to do with fashion , I guess . So do 850.324 851.544 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 850.704 851.136 850.724 851.094 Yeah . 851.094 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 851.983 854.048 852.004 854.014 It's trendy trendy , fun yeah . 853.084 854.014 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 852.147 859.216 852.254 859.216 And w yeah , w what they want wanted was uh colours and soft materials . So in that way 853.814 858.224 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 858.224 858.555 858.244 858.514 Yeah . 858.514 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 860.256 861.852 860.274 861.804 It applies . It yeah . 861.124 861.804 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 861.3 862.421 861.364 862.164 It it's fancy . 862.164 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 862.128 863.92 862.144 863.864 Well , just give it a two . 862.344 863.864 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 862.401 862.96 862.454 862.864 Okay . 862.864 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 864.444 864.928 864.494 864.854 Yeah . 864.854 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 865.328 881.474 865.364 881.474 Yes . I think I th I think it would have been I would have think uh it could have been more fancy by using the double-curved case . It would have been even more fancy , but we decided not to , because if we use a double-curved case , we could not use solar . So 866.054 873.014 874.574 876.684 879.584 880.984 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 866.176 868.384 866.194 868.384 It's not the ultimate uh fancy two , but 868.174 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 878.576 879.664 878.594 879.664 Yeah , but that's sti that's uh 878.714 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 881.824 896.112 881.824 896.064 Looking at the user uh needs , we only uh don't we don't have the double-curved case . We w we do have uh the rubber , we do have the colours . That's two out of three . 886.724 890.874 893.344 894.974 896.064 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 896.768 897.12 896.784 897.084 Yes . 897.084 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 897.12 899.568 897.144 899.514 So I believe uh we are close uh to two . 899.514 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 898.976 900.4 899.014 900.354 Yeah , I I agree . 899.614 900.354 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 900.64 904.309 900.674 904.144 Yes , I agree too . It's okay . We did yes , we did good . 900.934 901.824 902.694 903.724 904.144 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 904.56 906.32 904.614 906.214 Okay , and uh was it 905.434 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 907.434 908.007 907.504 907.964 innovative ? 907.964 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 909.775 913.179 909.844 913.179 Well , with the voice recognition feature and uh 910.334 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 912.495 915.856 912.644 915.856 But that's not in it . Ov or can we 914.504 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 914.448 914.928 914.464 914.694 Yep . 914.694 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 916.112 919.488 916.134 919.444 No , we are evaluating this this uh design now . 916.494 919.444 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 915.904 918.347 916.194 918.314 Well , let's let's this product . 916.524 918.314 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 918.774 919.514 918.944 919.374 Okay . 919.374 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 920.512 923.366 920.534 923.294 So I I I think it is . I think it's innovative . 922.154 923.294 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 920.618 921.449 920.674 921.374 This prototype . 921.374 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 923.545 923.888 923.594 923.854 Yeah . 923.854 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 923.658 927.936 923.658 927.904 And the scroll uh wheel . The solar not many remotes 925.414 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 928.928 930.112 928.944 930.064 have the solar , I think . 929.714 930.064 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 930.112 940.464 930.134 940.464 No . It could have been a little bit more innovative u by using the kinetic uh energy source , but it's it's way too yes , but 930.584 936.284 939.954 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 936.176 937.169 936.204 937.169 Yeah , and uh 936.444 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 937.264 938.56 937.284 938.444 That would have been a thrill . 938.444 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 940.624 942.72 940.644 942.664 So uh also a uh two ? 942.664 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 942.096 943.728 942.164 943.684 I think uh it's a two . 943.684 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 943.072 943.369 943.094 943.294 Yep . 943.294 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 948.041 949.248 948.104 949.024 Is it easy to use ? 949.024 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 951.056 954.784 951.114 954.784 I'm not sure . 954.264 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 951.065 951.811 951.174 951.604 Yeah . 951.604 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 954.784 955.695 954.854 955.534 I'm not sure . 955.534 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 956.32 961.648 956.654 961.614 Well yeah , the voice recognition of course is hard to learn , I think . 957.714 961.154 961.614 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 963.52 966.847 963.544 966.754 Well , hard it's not for the for the e for the elderly . 963.774 966.754 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 967.776 986.595 967.776 986.534 Well , but there are two parts in this remote control . What you see here is is the basic part . Everybody can use it , so that's easy to use . That's for a novice user . When you have a more advanced , elaborate user , well , such a user really would like to explore all these additional functions . 968.714 971.464 973.924 975.224 977.044 978.964 980.274 982.014 982.544 986.534 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 968.048 968.896 968.084 968.854 They won't use it . 968.854 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 976.448 976.72 976.474 976.684 Yeah . 976.684 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 988.704 991.744 988.724 991.714 So in that in that way it is advanced , 991.714 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 991.984 992.4 992.044 992.254 Yeah . 992.254 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 992.784 998.48 992.804 998.444 and I think it's easy to use for for both uh types of users . 998.444 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1000.848 1001.407 1000.874 1001.407 So uh - TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1000.824 1001.566 1000.884 1001.566 I think - TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1002.48 1005.269 1002.504 1005.269 It's maybe it's not very uh easy for - TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1004.192 1007.232 1004.214 1007.184 I think a three . Wouldn't give it more . 1006.374 1007.184 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1009.136 1012.119 1009.154 1012.119 Uh I'm doubting doubting as well . Um 1011.584 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 1012.464 1016.448 1012.484 1016.364 Well the p the most important function is easy to use . 1016.364 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1016.576 1016.896 1016.654 1016.844 Yeah . 1016.844 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 1017.52 1020.24 1017.544 1020.204 The the zapping , channel switching , volume . 1018.814 1019.804 1020.204 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 1021.568 1024.176 1021.584 1024.104 But the more advanced functions are probably - TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 1025.293 1026.025 1025.384 1025.894 a bit harder . 1025.894 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1028.344 1042.121 1028.394 1042.044 Okay . Uh two or three ? Three ? Wha wh what would be your guess ? I mean ease of use um does not only apply to the most basic functions . It's the uh it's it's overall . Is the device easy to use ? 1029.074 1030.524 1031.024 1033.564 1038.794 1040.414 1042.044 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1033.537 1034.327 1033.724 1034.114 Okay . 1034.114 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1041.841 1050.048 1041.924 1049.974 Yeah , that's right . You're right in that , but I I guess uh an advanced user will will find the voice recognition function easy to use , 1042.184 1043.134 1043.934 1049.974 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1050.528 1050.752 1050.544 1050.714 Yeah . 1050.714 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1051.024 1055.504 1051.044 1055.504 because he is already he or she is already an advanced user . So 1055.114 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1054.224 1054.656 1054.254 1054.584 Yeah . 1054.584 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1056.649 1060.384 1056.674 1060.384 After all , I think personally I would give a two . But 1057.354 1060.034 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1056.672 1057.264 1056.694 1057.264 Um - TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1060.528 1063.136 1060.544 1063.074 Okay . Uh Roo , a three ? Ruud ? 1061.144 1061.534 1062.784 1063.074 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1062.256 1062.752 1062.284 1062.684 Yep . 1062.684 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 1067.104 1068.202 1067.284 1068.014 Good question . 1068.014 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 1069.744 1072.655 1069.764 1072.574 Uh I'll go uh for the two . 1072.574 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1073.2 1075.692 1073.224 1075.692 Okay . 1075.474 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1074.461 1079.755 1074.504 1079.694 So , it's two , two and three . Two threes . So that's ten . 1074.894 1075.644 1077.384 1077.974 1079.694 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1078.64 1080.714 1078.734 1080.514 So I could make it e easy ? 1080.514 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1079.776 1083.056 1079.884 1083.024 If you make it a four it will be three in general . 1083.024 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1081.135 1082.933 1081.224 1082.674 So that's w - TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1083.632 1084.88 1083.664 1084.844 No , two and a half . 1084.284 1084.844 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1085.696 1086.896 1085.714 1086.864 If he makes it a four . 1086.864 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1088.916 1093.312 1088.934 1093.274 Six and four . Six and four is ten . Divided by four is two and a half . 1089.854 1091.744 1093.274 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1088.96 1089.729 1088.984 1089.674 Not a three . 1089.674 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1094.416 1094.994 1094.434 1094.994 So - TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1095.936 1097.184 1095.954 1097.014 Darn . Nee . 1096.694 1097.014 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 1097.11 1098.704 1097.174 1098.544 Hmm ? Huh ? 1098.404 1098.544 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1097.584 1100.89 1097.604 1100.89 Yes . 1100.764 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1098.09 1101.537 1098.224 1101.537 Roo . 1101.374 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1098.328 1111.134 1098.434 1110.924 A seven , a three No . A four and a three together . Yeah , you have a two , he has a two . Three ? And a three ? Nee . I know . 1099.424 1101.584 1104.354 1104.544 1105.484 1107.024 1107.704 1109.544 1110.544 1110.924 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 1100.874 1102.67 1100.944 1102.524 Yeah . I yeah . 1101.714 1102.524 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1103.632 1104.096 1103.654 1104.064 Four ? 1104.064 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 1104.46 1106.432 1104.664 1106.432 Yeah , two , two , three 1105.284 1105.544 1105.914 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1105.554 1106.158 1105.694 1106.004 Two ? 1106.004 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1107.681 1109.915 1107.764 1109.824 No , I haven't said anything yet . 1108.224 1109.824 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 1109.306 1114.096 1109.434 1114.096 No . 1113.894 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1110.581 1118.848 1110.704 1118.684 Okay , but if I would say a three , then it's six , and four is ten . Divided by four is two point five . 1111.004 1112.764 1114.074 1116.294 1118.684 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1115.792 1116.943 1115.814 1116.714 Divided by four . 1116.714 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1118.208 1130.776 1118.224 1130.776 Yes . So if you want to have the conclusion as a three three . Then you would make a four . If you fill out a four 1118.934 1123.234 1125.544 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1127.52 1128.535 1127.604 1128.535 That's not even - TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1127.36 1131.28 1127.644 1131.134 But I'm filling in a three . Does it will so it will be a two point five . 1128.774 1131.134 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1131.162 1137.168 1131.234 1137.168 But that's not possible to fill in , so we have to round it . 1132.624 1137.094 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1132.412 1145.574 1132.494 1145.494 Yes , it is . I have a veto . Exactly . It's not about the content , it's about okay , um is it easy to f 1132.834 1134.524 1137.894 1140.234 1141.994 1143.934 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 1144.573 1146.368 1144.594 1146.368 Is it easy to find ? 1146.264 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1146.848 1147.952 1146.864 1147.874 Yeah , definitely . 1147.184 1147.874 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1147.936 1148.432 1148.054 1148.384 Yes . 1148.384 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1148.352 1156.352 1148.384 1156.074 Yeah , we haven't re uh re uh really worked it out , but you c you can you can just say find and he repeats find . 1148.554 1151.454 1156.074 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1152.32 1154.703 1152.344 1154.634 It it most definitely is it's very easy . 1154.634 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1156.48 1158.096 1156.504 1157.984 Yeah , or beeps or yeah . 1156.644 1157.984 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1158.236 1162.096 1158.284 1162.096 Yeah , but that's the that's the the basic idea of the the speaker uh 1158.434 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1158.311 1158.86 1158.484 1158.704 Yes . 1158.704 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1159.955 1177.307 1159.994 1177.114 Maybe Uh I I think I think something like that . Maybe you have to uh programme it once , so to that l respond to uh a certain word or a certain sentence , something like where are you , and then it will sing I'm here . So something like that . So , I th 1163.964 1166.734 1170.774 1172.754 1175.214 1176.604 1176.974 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1162.176 1163.44 1162.194 1163.44 I'm here , I'm here . 1162.724 1163.394 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1166.528 1166.784 1166.544 1166.754 Yeah . 1166.754 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1169.824 1170.208 1169.844 1170.174 Yeah . 1170.174 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1170.992 1172.274 1171.014 1172.274 But even without it - TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1175.04 1175.417 1175.064 1175.384 Yeah . 1175.384 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1176.496 1185.152 1176.614 1185.064 Well , I uh we should not uh stay too long on this subject uh because of the time , but I personally give it a one . Um Sebastian ? 1176.934 1180.994 1183.764 1185.064 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1181.088 1181.44 1181.124 1181.374 Yeah . 1181.374 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1185.2 1185.936 1185.224 1185.884 Yeah , me too . 1185.484 1185.884 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1186.144 1186.688 1186.174 1186.614 Me too . 1186.614 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 1186.784 1187.738 1186.814 1187.434 Yeah , I agree . 1187.034 1187.434 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1187.296 1195.824 1187.314 1195.824 Right , well . The feel of the remote control is spongy . Well , uh it can't be more spongy . So 1187.794 1189.904 1192.674 1193.064 1194.444 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1195.488 1211.387 1195.884 1211.387 Well , it can be . There are cases um in which the outside casing is um can be uh how d how do you prono is is moldable . No , it's not one of our option , but when you look in the market , when you look 1196.104 1197.244 1207.234 1207.434 1208.994 1210.774 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1205.76 1207.132 1205.784 1207.094 Was it one of our options ? 1207.094 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 1207.58 1211.917 1207.614 1211.917 No . Uh this this was a most spongy option . 1208.614 1211.864 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1208.61 1209.749 1208.654 1209.624 No okay , but but 1209.094 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1208.998 1210.027 1209.084 1210.027 So , in the in 1209.254 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1210.79 1213.226 1210.824 1213.094 for the options given , it's the most spongy one . 1211.974 1213.094 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1212.268 1235.182 1212.484 1235.044 Uh yes , but that's not that's not uh what they are talking about , I think . Because we compare all these uh characteristics characteristics with uh market uh with with the real market . So there are uh remote controls out there which are a lot more spongy . They're out there . Yes , but it's not good enough , so it's a two . 1213.294 1216.034 1216.674 1223.684 1229.054 1233.274 1233.534 1234.444 1235.044 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1213.296 1213.702 1213.314 1213.534 Yeah . 1213.534 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1222.688 1224.16 1222.704 1224.114 Yeah . Yeah . 1223.934 1224.114 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1227.547 1233.743 1227.547 1233.564 They're out there . Yeah . 1233.294 1233.564 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1228.848 1233.28 1228.848 1233.174 But I think in this case in this case we've done the best we could . 1233.174 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1234.891 1237.088 1234.891 1236.944 I'll give it a one . 1236.944 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1235.43 1238.4 1235.43 1238.334 I wan I'll take one . 1238.334 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1239.344 1241.328 1239.364 1241.244 You take one ? What do you give it ? 1240.634 1241.244 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 1243.66 1249.0 1243.724 1248.934 Well yeah , it depends , 'cause it's the most spongy we could but yeah . 1244.154 1244.964 1248.934 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1246.432 1249.28 1246.464 1249.28 Yeah , I know , but you have to name a fig uh a number . 1246.714 1246.974 1249.234 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1250.464 1253.888 1250.484 1253.844 Because we need to go on in for the time . 1253.844 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 1255.311 1256.765 1255.344 1256.634 Well , if I give it a one 1255.764 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1258.514 1259.743 1258.534 1259.743 It will be a one . 1259.674 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 1258.861 1263.44 1258.964 1263.234 there'll be one hell of a calculation . So I'll just give it a two and make this a one point five . 1260.494 1263.234 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1263.36 1273.21 1263.434 1273.21 No no no . Uh I'll I'll change it , I'll make it m my my mark will be a four . 1264.274 1265.644 1273.114 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1268.384 1279.524 1268.384 1279.434 You are okay . The remote control offers enough features . Well , Ruud , what what do you think about it ? 1272.444 1277.854 1278.144 1278.354 1279.434 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 1281.641 1287.569 1281.724 1287.569 Well , the basic layout doesn't offem offer much , but the voice recognition could add a lot . So 1281.974 1284.954 1286.984 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1289.216 1297.392 1289.216 1297.324 Basically it's it's completely programmable . You can add very m much functionality by uh using the voice recognition mode . 1292.064 1297.324 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 1289.525 1290.416 1289.574 1290.384 Yeah , depends . 1289.724 1290.384 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1291.698 1292.172 1291.794 1292.084 Yeah . 1292.084 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1297.792 1302.59 1297.874 1302.59 Yeah , I know . What what we didn't talk about is um uh 1298.614 1300.154 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1298.683 1300.206 1298.714 1300.084 So it's quite advanced . 1300.084 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1300.953 1305.328 1301.074 1305.328 Yeah , but it ha doesn't has the digits . I believe it's 1301.214 1304.314 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1306.352 1311.856 1306.374 1311.804 If you uh ask yourself it offers enough features , I don't I don't think 1310.704 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1313.44 1317.632 1313.464 1317.564 it is it has all the features um a normal remote has . 1317.564 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1317.744 1318.72 1317.764 1318.684 I think it has . 1318.684 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 1318.64 1322.217 1318.664 1321.914 Uh depends on what you uh implement in the speech feat - TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1319.805 1346.907 1319.864 1346.854 Yeah . Bec because you can um we didn't talk about it , but you do have uh remote controls that are able to adapt another signal . So , you place a a regular uh remote control in front of the other one , hit the one or the two or the three , whatever , and it r records the uh the um the the signals . So you could uh uh uh 1320.854 1323.744 1328.904 1329.884 1334.864 1337.144 1338.174 1344.624 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1328.502 1328.944 1328.564 1328.904 Yes . 1328.904 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1342.095 1344.357 1342.264 1344.284 Has uh the signals sent to it . 1344.284 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 1343.488 1343.934 1343.504 1343.814 Signal . 1343.814 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1343.776 1344.375 1343.874 1344.234 Yeah . 1344.234 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1348.048 1355.808 1348.064 1355.774 enter any comment you like , as long it's able to as long as our device is able to reproduce the infrared signal . 1350.414 1355.774 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1357.104 1368.912 1357.374 1368.874 So I think th this uh this is uh a a remote control with a very high level of features . Although there are i a few buttons , but the inside is is quite uh advanced . 1363.394 1365.374 1368.874 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1362.672 1363.403 1362.784 1363.314 Absolutely . 1363.314 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1365.6 1365.948 1365.624 1365.914 Yes . 1365.914 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1367.504 1387.795 1367.534 1387.795 But that that's its power , I guess , because uh a regular programmable uh remote control contains , well , uh really a lot of buttons . At at least uh forty buttons . So it's it's quite s complicated to get uh to get used to . And this is quite s simple . You can use your voice to to programme it . It's 1368.894 1369.254 1372.944 1373.214 1374.694 1377.234 1382.094 1384.004 1387.304 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1374.576 1374.896 1374.594 1374.864 Yeah . 1374.864 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1376.768 1377.12 1376.784 1377.084 Yeah . 1377.084 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1384.388 1384.672 1384.444 1384.634 Yep . 1384.634 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1388.176 1396.368 1388.194 1396.324 Yeah . Okay , um let's give it a number . I'll give it uh a one . For for the for this t uh type of market , I think it's a one . 1388.864 1389.264 1390.974 1393.324 1395.464 1396.324 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1397.648 1398.912 1397.664 1398.514 I'll give a two . 1398.514 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1399.392 1400.4 1399.392 1400.334 Yeah , I'll give it a one . 1399.664 1400.334 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 1402.274 1409.952 1402.334 1409.952 Um I think think a one , 'cause v with a voice recognition you could add anything you want , so that's like um 1404.504 1407.874 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1411.024 1423.1 1411.564 1423.1 Yes . I I've I think we've uh succe succeed in in developing a product that's actually quite good , but not for this kind of market , and not for this kind of price . So 1411.944 1418.844 1420.774 1422.524 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1422.736 1425.568 1422.754 1425.394 Yeah . So high quality , low acceptance . 1423.144 1424.204 1425.394 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1424.386 1424.87 1424.504 1424.724 Hmm . 1424.724 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1428.032 1435.84 1428.054 1435.804 The product is is is uh b high qua uh has a high quality and and is uh advanced . But 1435.474 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1435.104 1435.472 1435.124 1435.434 Yes . 1435.434 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1437.216 1450.576 1437.234 1450.544 whether or not our clients are are um willing to pay twenty five Euros for this kind of device is doub is well , is not sure . D do you agree ? 1448.104 1449.784 1450.544 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1443.104 1443.488 1443.144 1443.444 Mm-hmm . 1443.444 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1449.024 1449.376 1449.054 1449.334 Mm-hmm . 1449.334 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1450.768 1452.378 1450.784 1452.378 Yes , I agree . I 1451.074 1451.974 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 1451.734 1454.48 1451.824 1454.414 Maybe even because it doesn't look advanced . 1454.414 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1455.712 1462.96 1455.712 1462.96 Yeah . Maybe we should have a radar uh function . 1458.094 1462.784 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1457.738 1458.644 1457.784 1458.644 Yeah , okay . But 1458.014 1458.454 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1460.125 1462.162 1460.125 1462.094 Yes . 1462.094 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1462.009 1466.8 1462.074 1466.764 But we could couldn't uh what what's the selling price ? Fifty ? Uh twenty five . 1464.724 1465.494 1466.764 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1465.328 1466.49 1465.404 1466.404 Twenty five Euros . 1466.404 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1467.904 1476.37 1467.924 1476.294 And costs were twelve fifty . But even now , if only our production costs w uh were exceeded the double , 1469.904 1471.154 1476.294 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1469.744 1470.19 1469.764 1469.944 Yeah . 1469.944 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1477.552 1480.576 1477.624 1480.474 Think . Production cost was were t uh was twenty two ? 1478.474 1480.474 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1480.672 1481.104 1480.714 1481.044 Mm-hmm . 1481.044 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1481.568 1485.552 1481.664 1485.514 So uh selling price uh would be uh yeah . 1485.514 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1484.016 1485.504 1484.134 1485.254 M about fifty Euros . 1485.254 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1486.896 1492.876 1486.914 1492.624 That's quite ex well , it's not it's not very expensive for a remote control that that has this functionality . 1488.034 1492.624 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1487.392 1488.569 1487.414 1488.424 That's price , but w w 1488.064 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1491.264 1497.104 1491.304 1497.104 No . An original remote control of any T_V_ kind , uh a Phillips remote control , y you pay uh 1492.004 1494.524 1495.844 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1495.601 1499.979 1495.634 1499.874 Yes , it's more than fifty Euros . It's quite expensive , yes . 1496.074 1498.514 1499.694 1499.874 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1499.024 1503.712 1499.044 1503.674 Yeah , I kn I know uh from a few years ago , it it it costed hundred Gilders . 1499.544 1501.504 1503.674 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1501.687 1514.592 1501.804 1514.494 Bu but well yeah , I know , but you're paying for th for the brand , because there are uh remote controls which control your stereo , television , D_V_D_ , C_D_ player , for under twenty five Euros . 1503.974 1504.304 1506.014 1510.584 1511.234 1511.774 1512.934 1514.494 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1511.714 1513.911 1511.804 1513.834 Yes . Yes , but you can you c 1512.714 1512.994 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1514.736 1526.786 1514.764 1526.704 Yes , but you can learn this thing , all these functions . And it's easier to use because those uh remote controls don't offer voice recognition and this one does . So I think it's worth its price . 1515.174 1517.064 1518.484 1524.914 1526.704 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1518.784 1519.187 1518.804 1519.034 Yeah . 1519.034 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1523.488 1523.793 1523.488 1523.793 . 1523.793 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1524.784 1525.106 1524.804 1524.964 Yeah . 1524.964 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1527.189 1532.08 1527.234 1532.08 Okay . Um you had an overall rating . Um 1528.384 1531.514 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 1532.718 1536.593 1532.794 1536.464 Yeah , but uh with these ratings uh 1533.184 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1534.896 1535.772 1534.914 1535.654 That's counting . 1535.654 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1536.448 1541.249 1536.764 1541.214 Well , it's it's about one point five . Something like that . 1537.024 1540.624 1541.214 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 1537.773 1541.489 1537.834 1541.404 should be about one point s seven , yeah . 1541.044 1541.404 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1537.981 1540.752 1538.544 1540.644 Four six seven eight . 1540.644 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1541.776 1542.256 1541.844 1542.214 Okay . 1542.214 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1542.141 1544.512 1542.184 1544.474 Nine divided by six . 1544.474 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1543.552 1549.578 1543.944 1549.434 Okay . Um we'll go further on with the the rest of the evaluation . 1545.264 1549.434 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1556.432 1559.232 1556.454 1559.194 About the project itself , not about the product . 1558.174 1559.194 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1561.251 1562.176 1561.344 1562.176 Um - TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1566.195 1569.248 1566.324 1569.184 What did you think about uh - TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1570.448 1572.624 1570.504 1572.594 the process , the project process ? 1571.514 1572.594 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1575.6 1575.968 1575.644 1575.854 Ruud ? 1575.854 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1584.432 1589.808 1584.432 1589.808 Try to translate that . 1589.314 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1585.863 1589.216 1585.914 1589.216 Well - TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1590.336 1591.328 1590.454 1591.328 Hmm . 1591.184 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1592.64 1594.288 1592.664 1594.254 Any any other Uh , Roo ? 1593.994 1594.254 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1593.767 1595.1 1593.804 1595.1 Well , I think 1594.444 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1593.818 1594.992 1593.924 1594.992 Yeah , I think uh 1594.234 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 1594.638 1595.048 1594.744 1594.904 Ye - TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1595.952 1596.897 1595.952 1596.897 Roo . 1596.784 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1596.659 1598.563 1596.659 1598.454 The process was good . 1598.454 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1599.44 1610.975 1599.464 1610.944 But w um we weren't aware of the prices of the costs . And and that was the the big deal . I if we knew that before , we c we could have made the the choice between what yeah . 1603.224 1605.664 1607.834 1610.944 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1602.821 1603.28 1602.894 1603.244 Yeah . 1603.244 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1605.33 1605.712 1605.474 1605.674 Mm . 1605.674 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1607.536 1608.378 1607.674 1608.378 Actually , we had 1608.024 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1609.354 1610.304 1609.444 1610.254 Better decision . 1610.254 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1609.638 1619.408 1609.744 1619.354 Yes . We had we had too little information actually . So And uh um the the the well , looking at room for creativity , there was 1610.564 1612.564 1617.104 1618.924 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1612.192 1612.624 1612.354 1612.594 Yeah . 1612.594 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1620.592 1627.616 1620.694 1627.616 w way too the the choice of components was way too narrow . So there was not really a process of uh 1624.804 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1622.48 1622.864 1622.504 1622.834 Less . 1622.834 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1624.992 1625.28 1625.014 1625.224 Yeah . 1625.224 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1628.096 1638.48 1628.354 1638.444 So we could we we could be we could've been creative . But um it was tempered by the choice of components and the the price . 1631.324 1638.444 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1632.386 1633.019 1632.534 1633.019 Well - TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1636.942 1637.434 1637.054 1637.364 Yes . 1637.364 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 1637.296 1638.243 1637.314 1638.094 The prices . 1638.094 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1638.544 1651.672 1638.564 1651.672 Well , in the first meeting we we already were very creative . We we thought of possibilities who are not possible uh with the the current uh offer of uh manufacturing components . So 1638.704 1641.554 1651.164 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1641.827 1642.201 1641.894 1642.114 Yeah . 1642.114 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1652.384 1652.729 1652.454 1652.644 Yeah . 1652.644 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1653.952 1655.2 1653.974 1655.164 We're tempered by that , yes . 1654.874 1655.164 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1655.261 1655.92 1655.304 1655.844 Okay , Roo ? 1655.624 1655.844 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1657.072 1658.482 1657.094 1658.384 Any other thoughts on that ? 1658.384 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1658.823 1659.729 1658.884 1659.654 No , no . 1659.474 1659.654 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1660.304 1660.576 1660.354 1660.484 Ruud ? 1660.484 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 1661.712 1662.304 1661.734 1662.214 I agree . 1662.214 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1662.672 1674.912 1662.694 1674.912 You agree , okay . Uh leadership . Okay , Roo's on for his promotion . 1663.084 1664.044 1668.114 1668.684 1674.874 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1665.863 1668.749 1665.884 1668.749 Fantastic . 1668.204 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1675.558 1676.848 1675.634 1676.794 Yeah , okay . 1676.474 1676.794 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1677.472 1677.888 1677.494 1677.854 Okay . 1677.854 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1679.728 1680.816 1679.834 1680.784 I think we're a good team . 1680.784 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1682.176 1697.872 1682.194 1697.872 I think so too , it's it's it's uh of course a laboratory environment . I missed it um to be able to contact you in between and uh say uh , hey Roo uh . Um 1682.864 1687.284 1693.554 1697.134 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1691.132 1691.616 1691.304 1691.584 Yes . 1691.584 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1691.506 1691.897 1691.554 1691.844 Yeah . 1691.844 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1697.792 1701.575 1697.814 1701.575 Well , I tried once , but that was not allowed . 1698.124 1698.774 1701.164 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1699.837 1702.192 1699.914 1702.192 Yeah . So um 1701.284 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1703.632 1710.764 1703.654 1710.464 Yeah , but but si uh w w w when taken in account the the situation , uh I think we performed pretty well . 1703.914 1708.564 1710.464 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1710.576 1711.456 1710.644 1711.404 I think so too . 1711.404 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1711.44 1711.712 1711.464 1711.664 Yeah . 1711.664 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1711.476 1716.56 1711.494 1716.524 Yeah . Um the means , the SMARTboard , the digital pen . Did you like 'em ? 1712.744 1714.084 1714.884 1715.674 1716.524 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1715.917 1720.948 1715.917 1720.948 Uh . The digital pen was okay , but SMARTboard was really bad . It it's 1716.944 1718.054 1720.384 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1719.723 1720.24 1719.804 1720.124 Yeah . 1720.124 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1720.464 1721.792 1720.484 1721.792 Because of the response or - TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1721.792 1726.896 1721.814 1726.804 The response is very slow and the possibilities are very limited . It's not accurate . 1726.054 1726.804 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1721.936 1722.975 1721.954 1722.975 Response and - TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1727.632 1728.121 1727.744 1728.034 Okay . 1728.034 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1728.4 1740.128 1728.424 1740.128 Uh it it has yeah . Yeah , it's not accurate . The p the pointing of the pen is not um the place where it it writes its um uh where it uh 1730.064 1730.544 1731.234 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1728.665 1729.002 1728.714 1729.002 Uh - TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 1740.66 1741.405 1740.734 1741.214 Draws . 1741.214 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1741.312 1747.28 1741.334 1747.224 Yeah , where it draws . It's uh the drawing on on the b on the board is r right from the pen . 1741.594 1742.844 1747.224 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1747.808 1750.08 1747.934 1750.024 Okay , so it it had to be um 1748.174 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1748.478 1749.151 1748.494 1749.151 So uh - TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1751.122 1754.099 1751.214 1754.099 You to take in account that your you m yeah uh - TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1751.477 1754.048 1751.634 1754.014 better aligned , or what's the word ? Uh yeah . 1752.314 1753.184 1754.014 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1754.128 1756.225 1754.294 1756.014 Maybe it's it needs to be calibrateds . 1756.014 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1755.113 1756.219 1755.234 1756.219 It's too slow - TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1755.899 1769.659 1756.024 1769.524 It it was calibrated just before this meeting . Uh the one before , the third meeting . So uh it's not the calibration , it's the thing itself , I think . Uh Ruud , w uh did you use the pen a lot ? Or not at all ? Not at all . 1758.474 1759.234 1760.394 1762.164 1763.854 1764.934 1765.354 1768.224 1769.064 1769.524 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1758.431 1760.477 1758.594 1760.374 It is ? Okay . 1759.974 1760.374 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1763.408 1763.744 1763.444 1763.684 Hmm . 1763.684 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1763.362 1764.019 1763.484 1763.894 Okay . 1763.894 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 1768.151 1770.389 1768.234 1770.334 No . Not really . 1769.074 1770.334 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1770.592 1778.576 1770.614 1778.524 Okay . I thought it was quite a handy uh thing , although I would like to see um O_C_R_ . 1771.734 1774.714 1778.524 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1773.228 1774.475 1773.394 1774.294 I I think so too . 1774.294 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1778.704 1779.055 1778.724 1778.934 Yes . 1778.934 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1778.88 1779.206 1778.904 1779.124 Yep . 1779.124 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1780.384 1780.768 1780.404 1780.734 Yes . 1780.734 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1780.704 1792.784 1780.724 1792.784 If it has O_C_R_ , uh I think uh I would use , but uh I I just uh took notes for myself and and and that's it . It w it w yeah . It was necessary for me to uh 1781.714 1783.854 1789.234 1790.844 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1786.768 1787.072 1786.824 1787.014 Yeah . 1787.014 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1793.088 1794.096 1793.144 1794.034 To digitise them . 1794.034 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1793.999 1800.32 1794.024 1800.32 Yeah , because if I want something on the computer , I just type it . I type faster than I write . So 1794.424 1796.774 1798.324 1799.834 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1797.792 1798.096 1797.814 1798.064 Yeah . 1798.064 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1798.016 1798.304 1798.054 1798.274 Mm-hmm . 1798.274 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1799.995 1800.407 1800.074 1800.194 Yeah . 1800.194 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1800.599 1834.868 1800.694 1834.764 But I think it's a great solution for uh for uh a known problem , uh writing down some notes , some some inf uh information , and then um forgetting your notebook somewhere and losing all that information . Because you have everything in one place and it's quite easy quite easy it's it's possible to make this information digital and share it with others in a quite easy way . I think it's a good product . I only think it's th the the shape of the pen is too big . It's not quite uh ergonomic . 1804.734 1806.944 1809.074 1814.734 1825.884 1827.674 1832.694 1834.764 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1812.128 1812.44 1812.144 1812.404 Yeah . 1812.404 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1824.528 1824.849 1824.544 1824.754 Yeah . 1824.754 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1832.16 1832.496 1832.184 1832.464 Yeah . 1832.464 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1835.264 1835.968 1835.434 1835.924 Economic . 1835.924 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1836.208 1837.367 1836.254 1837.184 Eco ergonomic . 1837.184 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1837.072 1837.472 1837.094 1837.414 I know . 1837.414 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1839.232 1842.0 1839.254 1842.0 Yeah . Okay . Um 1839.954 1841.204 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1845.27 1848.224 1845.404 1848.094 What w Uh Ruud , what did you think about the SMARTboards ? 1846.374 1848.094 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 1848.72 1854.623 1848.744 1854.474 Oh , I only use it to draw a rabbit , so can't say much about it . 1849.034 1851.364 1854.474 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1851.216 1869.806 1851.264 1869.806 Yeah . Okay , you can't really decide . No . I missed a feature to easily select uh a slide and uh distribute it to the laptops . I think that would be very easy if you could say okay , I want to use this for my own work or my own presentation further on or 1851.854 1852.284 1854.664 1855.134 1863.104 1865.744 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1870.136 1870.616 1870.194 1870.484 Yes . 1870.484 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 1870.171 1871.328 1870.214 1871.254 No , or the other way around . 1870.294 1871.254 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1870.561 1871.271 1870.644 1870.944 Yeah . 1870.944 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1871.712 1874.96 1871.734 1874.904 Or the other way around , that you could show but m 1872.714 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1872.855 1873.817 1872.924 1873.784 Yes , yes . 1873.544 1873.784 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1875.088 1877.085 1875.104 1877.014 That's quite what PowerPoint does . 1877.014 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1874.784 1884.105 1875.164 1883.984 But y you can if you save this image , you can open it in your shared work folder . So it's almost yeah . 1878.904 1882.104 1883.984 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 1875.682 1876.298 1875.834 1876.174 Yeah . 1876.174 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1877.2 1877.642 1877.224 1877.504 I know . 1877.504 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1881.395 1882.112 1881.514 1882.112 I know , but 1881.864 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1883.531 1885.936 1883.584 1885.904 I know , but we couldn't use that feature , so I missed it . 1883.804 1885.194 1885.904 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1886.656 1887.04 1886.674 1886.914 Yep . 1886.914 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1887.552 1888.752 1887.574 1888.694 We weren't able to do that . 1888.694 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1890.144 1895.078 1890.164 1894.984 At least the um I wasn't explained how to do such a th - TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1893.53 1900.208 1893.644 1900.174 Mm-hmm . . A and the function of of filling an an uh an oval or an an object . 1894.834 1894.834 1900.174 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1897.752 1903.764 1897.954 1903.694 An object , yes . Yes . The drawing cap capabilities are very limited . 1898.954 1900.254 1901.174 1903.694 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1901.459 1903.664 1901.524 1903.634 I it's not possible yeah . 1903.634 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1904.256 1904.704 1904.274 1904.674 Okay . 1904.674 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1904.611 1919.267 1904.734 1919.267 And and uh w you were when you're using uh Windows , you're used to a certain interface and certain buttons , uh which you can use for drawing . And a lot of these buttons don't appear here . So it's 1908.424 1913.094 1915.684 1917.864 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1915.312 1915.616 1915.334 1915.564 Yeah . 1915.564 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1918.672 1921.443 1918.694 1921.374 Oh it looks like paint actually . 1921.374 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1919.258 1922.544 1919.304 1922.424 Okay , so y it it's not even as advanced as paint . 1919.534 1922.424 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1922.464 1927.452 1922.484 1927.304 Not not uh n not way . It's quite uh limited . 1925.634 1927.304 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1924.528 1924.988 1924.564 1924.894 Yeah . 1924.894 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1927.968 1928.4 1927.984 1928.364 Okay . 1928.364 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1934.063 1943.04 1934.124 1943.004 Uh no . Yeah , the project is evaluated . Um but , well , we need to redesign uh the product . 1936.594 1937.084 1939.044 1939.964 1940.384 1943.004 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1941.984 1944.704 1942.174 1944.524 Okay . Oh , very good , celebration . 1943.484 1943.604 1943.954 1944.524 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1945.312 1946.768 1945.334 1945.794 Celebrate . 1945.794 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1945.426 1948.344 1945.624 1948.344 Pop uh pop up the champagne . 1947.824 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1945.67 1946.736 1945.734 1946.736 Great . 1946.594 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1947.792 1951.248 1947.814 1951.248 It was a privilege working with you . 1950.934 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1947.805 1948.32 1947.854 1948.234 Okay . 1948.234 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1949.808 1957.168 1949.808 1957.104 Um you're dismissed . No , I think we are uh ready . 1955.214 1955.444 1957.104 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1958.448 1958.922 1958.464 1958.744 Okay . 1958.744 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 1960.864 1962.192 1960.884 1962.192 To private rooms ? 1962.124 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1963.248 1964.72 1963.264 1964.684 I see some action over there . 1964.684 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1965.04 1966.336 1965.124 1966.184 Private room , Roo . 1965.874 1966.184 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1967.44 1968.944 1967.464 1968.644 That sounds quite scary . 1968.644 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1972.296 1973.312 1972.394 1973.034 Okay . 1973.034 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1973.264 1974.752 1973.284 1974.714 No , let's find uh the way to 1973.524 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1976.144 1981.248 1976.144 1981.248 . . 1981.248 1981.248 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1981.52 1985.648 1981.52 1985.554 uh we're done , we're finished , I believe . So , 1982.424 1983.984 1985.164 1985.554 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1986.608 1990.032 1986.624 1989.924 are there any more cycles in this process ? I think not . 1989.474 1989.924 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1990.08 1992.372 1990.134 1992.372 I don't believe so . Well , maybe we'd 1991.424 1991.564 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1993.904 1994.832 1994.014 1994.784 get an email . 1994.784 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 1995.84 1996.896 1995.864 1996.896 Thank you for your - TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 1997.232 2000.944 1997.694 2000.914 But um how much time did we get for this meeting ? 2000.914 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 2000.864 2001.824 2000.884 2001.714 Forty minutes . 2001.714 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 2001.984 2003.552 2002.044 2003.514 And how much time is left ? 2003.514 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 2004.346 2006.144 2004.384 2006.114 A minute or or ten maybe . 2006.114 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 2006.559 2008.361 2006.594 2008.264 M Yeah , ten or five . 2007.554 2008.264 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 2006.609 2007.168 2006.634 2007.134 Ten minutes . 2007.134 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 2009.136 2009.819 2009.244 2009.624 Okay . 2009.624 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 2012.256 2012.798 2012.274 2012.594 Okay . 2012.594 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 2012.864 2014.672 2012.884 2014.624 So , we can uh 2013.614 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 2016.128 2017.36 2016.174 2017.36 redesign our uh - TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 2018.955 2019.967 2019.054 2019.967 Uh I would like to - TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 2020.258 2032.24 2020.258 2032.204 Well , I think we we we all know what the redesign should be . A simple , dull , uh one-coloured box . 2022.564 2028.124 2028.874 2029.964 2032.204 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 2034.224 2035.504 2034.244 2035.444 And no added value . 2035.444 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 2036.161 2039.888 2036.254 2039.824 No , it's it's just the same product that is already on the market . 2036.494 2039.824 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 2036.56 2037.705 2036.584 2037.705 At all . So 2037.354 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 2046.736 2048.8 2046.754 2048.634 Oh . Yeah . 2048.264 2048.634 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 2047.433 2052.64 2047.454 2052.594 But you see the problem , y you can't continue your uh your line . 2048.254 2052.594 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 2058.832 2062.336 2058.854 2062.294 Well , it's fluffy alright . Spongy . 2059.104 2061.584 2062.294 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 2063.776 2064.44 2063.794 2064.314 What is that ? 2064.314 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 2064.043 2066.604 2064.104 2066.604 A giraffe ? 2066.464 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 2065.173 2065.84 2065.254 2065.84 Yeah . 2065.584 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 2065.426 2070.401 2065.504 2070.294 It's a giraffe eating a eating leaves from a tree . 2070.294 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 2071.742 2072.931 2071.764 2072.574 It's blue tongue . 2072.574 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 2071.976 2073.632 2072.174 2073.594 In interesting design . 2073.594 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 2073.808 2077.52 2073.824 2077.52 Yeah . This is a new model . But 2074.974 2076.234 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 2077.303 2083.68 2077.334 2083.68 So you're actually promoting Bluetooth . Or blue tongue . 2080.204 2083.344 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 2080.896 2082.55 2080.924 2082.55 Blue tongue . 2082.434 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 2081.157 2088.524 2081.157 2088.524 Oh uh it it does uh have a natural uh feeling . So 2087.944 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 2087.76 2091.584 2087.76 2091.584 It's spongy . 2091.394 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 2090.271 2090.903 2090.344 2090.903 Yeah . 2090.794 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 2101.984 2116.192 2101.984 2116.192 . That is uh it's a new feature next to Bluetooth to um disable all Bluetooth devices . Um 2102.584 2114.794 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 2105.043 2105.751 2105.284 2105.594 Blue tongue . 2105.594 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 2112.656 2113.373 2112.764 2113.284 Okay . 2113.284 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 2113.072 2116.134 2113.072 2116.034 Right . 2116.034 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 2118.816 2119.691 2118.924 2119.604 Let's wrap it up . 2119.604 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 2123.102 2124.906 2123.204 2124.714 Yeah , we're done here . 2123.954 2124.714 TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 2130.129 2132.441 2130.304 2132.354 Gentlemen , thank you for your cooperation . 2130.754 2132.354 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 2132.736 2141.786 2133.114 2141.614 Thank you Mister manager . Now , let's have uh a bottle of champagne . 2138.124 2139.614 2141.614 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 2142.656 2148.209 2142.656 2148.094 . Leave it here . 2148.094 NaN TS3011d A MTD041PM 0 2148.56 2149.115 2148.584 2148.904 Yes . 2148.904 TS3011d B MTD043UID 1 2152.059 2156.254 2152.234 2156.254 That's alright . 2155.874 TS3011d C MTD042ID 2 2152.322 2153.904 2152.322 2153.904 . 2153.904 TS3011d D MTD044ME 3 2153.553 2154.752 2153.553 2154.752 . 2154.752 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 2.087 25.671 2.19 25.49 Okay , good morning . This is our first team meeting . I'll be your Project Manager for today , for this project . My name is Mark will be giving this presentation for you to kick the project off . That's my uh that's the agenda for today . Well , of course we're new to each other , so I'd like to get acquainted first . So let's do that first , I mean Let's start with you , can you introduce yourself ? You're our Marketing Expert . 2.47 2.99 6.65 8.45 9.34 15.0 17.12 17.27 18.61 20.49 21.66 23.34 24.53 25.49 TS3012a B MTD047UID 1 3.434 4.362 3.62 4.23 Good day . 4.23 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 4.765 5.336 4.82 5.22 Morning . 5.22 TS3012a C MTD046ID 2 5.272 6.161 5.4 5.79 Morning . 5.79 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 25.324 43.637 25.46 43.637 Yes . Um my name is Dirk , Dirk Meinfeld . Um I will be uh Pr Project the Marketing Expert . And I will see what the user wants and uh what we can do uh with the new produ project product . 26.36 28.59 29.79 34.48 43.35 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 43.152 46.847 43.23 46.73 Okay , excellent . And you are User Interface Yeah . 43.43 44.4 46.73 TS3012a B MTD047UID 1 44.954 51.789 45.04 51.72 Nick Broer , User Interface Designer . I'm going to uh look at the technical design from the uh user point of view . 46.22 47.97 51.72 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 52.24 54.196 52.34 53.97 Excellent . Okay . 53.54 53.97 TS3012a C MTD046ID 2 54.18 68.608 54.29 68.53 My name is Xavier Juergens , I'm the Industrial Designer , and there are three main questions that I have to find an answer to today . First one is uh what happens inside the apparatus , second is what is uh the apparatus made of , and the third is what should it look like . 55.44 56.95 60.98 64.43 66.86 68.53 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 64.451 65.168 64.58 65.05 Hmm . 65.05 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 68.64 70.214 68.66 69.92 What should it look like ? Okay . 69.54 69.92 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 70.848 71.168 70.88 71.09 Hmm . 71.09 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 72.44 88.125 72.54 87.78 Oh , let's kick it off . Oh , there we go . So , our new project is about we need design a remote control for television set , so , which has to be original , trendy and user-friendly . I took this off our corporate website . It's I think well it sums up what we need to do . 72.88 73.76 74.29 75.17 75.74 81.09 81.36 82.34 83.59 85.25 87.78 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 88.125 107.521 88.55 107.521 We're inspired by latest fashion , not only electronics , but also the latest trends in clothes and interior design . That's why our product will always fit in your home . So apparently we need to um be very at um very open to what's currently hot in the market . So that's what you need to do to bring us the latest info and what people want . So 89.77 90.78 93.6 96.17 102.71 106.57 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 103.52 104.287 103.73 104.21 Yeah . 104.21 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 105.462 106.066 105.64 105.88 Yeah . 105.88 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 107.521 128.501 108.13 128.25 So we put the fashion in electronics . So that's what we need to go for . Anyway , we'll take this project in three steps , three pha uh three phase of design . First step will be the functional design . And that's basically what we're gonna do . Everybody has uh a piece of individual work and a meeting afterwards , so we can share information about So I'm gonna keep this short , since we had a technical problem . So skip through this . 109.85 111.94 112.22 114.07 116.06 118.68 120.15 122.94 125.62 126.76 128.25 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 117.728 118.415 117.85 118.04 Yeah . 118.04 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 128.501 151.069 128.91 150.96 Uh . Okay . Every meeting we everybody can present their uh their views and everything , so to help with these , you have we have the SMARTboards here . We can use a regular PowerPoint presentation . I'm supposed to give you an introduction on this doodling board , so it's actually it's very easy . Like it says , very simple , you just take out the pen . 130.88 132.2 136.54 137.98 139.73 142.89 146.54 148.99 149.44 150.06 150.96 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 152.8 167.456 152.83 167.42 Like you see here , I'll just take the take here . That's it , you just put it on the board . You see a pen here . You go here , just like using a pen . You can just draw whatever you want . 153.57 157.09 157.5 159.5 162.18 162.97 165.34 167.42 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 168.448 171.136 168.62 171.02 It's like the eraser , can erase whatever you want . 169.99 171.02 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 173.04 188.23 173.06 187.69 And so it will be easy just to illustrate your views , if you wanna change the format , you just either take out jus just like the pen , and whatever you want , your current colour , your line width , just to make the line bigger . 176.14 177.41 182.4 183.21 183.84 186.7 187.69 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 188.23 201.936 188.53 201.81 So it should be really easy . This is to take the just take a new slide and back again . We're just gonna keep using this board all the time , so I think it will be it's very clear for everyone , I suppose . So I'll take this out . 190.18 193.91 197.14 199.23 199.68 201.81 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 189.429 190.105 189.48 189.82 Okay . 189.82 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 203.072 221.613 203.072 221.11 Okay . We'll use that later . Anyway . Yeah , just just just stuff that you wanna share , just put it in the in the project folder , like I put my presentation now . I'll put the the minutes of every meeting , I'll put them there too , so everybody can read up if they have to leave early or whatever . 206.05 206.93 209.38 209.56 211.33 213.37 215.54 217.35 218.37 221.11 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 221.613 230.864 221.9 230.79 So next , been here . Well , gonna give the electronic white-board uh a shot . So basic idea is 224.03 225.61 226.98 229.25 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 232.745 239.164 232.88 239.12 we have a blank sheet . Just try whatever you want , and like it says , draw your favourite animal . 234.8 236.35 238.09 239.12 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 240.656 244.046 240.68 244.046 I think the creative genius should go first . 243.95 TS3012a B MTD047UID 1 242.335 245.056 242.335 244.82 The creative genius ? Thank you very much . 243.79 244.82 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 245.894 247.574 245.93 247.27 So , draw us your favourite animal . 246.23 247.27 TS3012a B MTD047UID 1 247.584 257.254 247.584 257.2 Well , I'm more into the technical aspects of drawing , so I'm not really good at drawing animals , but uh the animal which I Oh . 248.46 250.95 254.18 257.2 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 252.2 253.603 252.35 253.51 Draw us a technical animal . 253.51 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 256.999 258.509 257.11 258.23 Yeah , it's still erasing . 257.56 258.23 TS3012a B MTD047UID 1 258.06 259.262 258.06 259.14 Pen . 259.14 TS3012a B MTD047UID 1 260.898 262.17 261.05 262.01 Uh format . 262.01 TS3012a B MTD047UID 1 264.929 276.928 265.18 276.84 Else my animal will be like king-size . I pretty much like a dolphin , because of its uh its freedom basically . Let's see . 268.56 272.19 276.06 276.84 TS3012a B MTD047UID 1 278.096 278.656 278.17 278.62 A head . 278.62 TS3012a B MTD047UID 1 281.779 285.888 281.779 285.888 actually worked with this . It's like uh it's a very 283.7 TS3012a B MTD047UID 1 288.14 293.174 288.32 293.0 Uh high-tech . Bit low-responsive though . Prefer pen and paper . 289.44 291.84 293.0 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 292.47 295.815 292.49 295.815 So that's what we don't want . We want a high-responsive product . So 293.77 295.26 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 299.271 301.218 299.44 301.13 It looks more like nuclear bomb . 301.13 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 299.711 303.018 299.711 302.91 Very nice dolphin . 302.91 TS3012a B MTD047UID 1 300.296 305.104 300.59 305.104 It doesn't look like a nuclear bomb . This thing isn't doing what I'm 303.34 TS3012a B MTD047UID 1 306.48 307.664 306.5 307.45 What I want . 307.45 TS3012a B MTD047UID 1 309.152 309.919 309.21 309.919 So - TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 309.473 310.614 309.58 310.56 Let's go easy on it . 310.56 TS3012a B MTD047UID 1 312.704 316.032 312.704 315.86 Yeah , well it does look like a nuclear bomb . 313.98 315.86 TS3012a B MTD047UID 1 318.992 321.083 319.01 321.083 I'll just finish up real soon , because I'm 320.55 TS3012a B MTD047UID 1 331.824 335.762 332.0 335.71 So it doesn't really look like a dolphin , but then again , this is all new for me . 333.58 334.67 335.71 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 332.972 338.509 332.972 338.43 Anyway , it should It It's supposed to be a dolphin , you like the freedom that it that it represents . 334.46 336.35 338.43 TS3012a C MTD046ID 2 336.78 337.518 337.04 337.27 Uh-huh . 337.27 TS3012a B MTD047UID 1 338.24 344.13 338.27 344.13 Like the ocean , like swimming . Do that in my spare time , so that's basically an 338.94 340.44 341.61 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 343.6 349.875 343.75 349.7 What do you like ? Okay . Well , our Marketing Expert . Show us an animal . 344.46 346.43 347.58 348.84 349.7 TS3012a B MTD047UID 1 346.881 348.832 346.95 348.63 Now we can forget this ever happened . 348.63 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 350.337 354.927 350.43 354.927 Um an animal . I like the elephant . 352.97 354.77 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 353.077 359.372 353.077 359.23 Pick a pick a pick a clean sheet . Oh . Take a clean sheet first . 355.53 357.53 359.23 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 356.119 356.66 356.2 356.55 What ? 356.55 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 358.544 360.528 358.56 360.528 Yeah . Um 359.69 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 360.56 361.989 360.58 361.79 Just press next . That's it . 361.45 361.79 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 361.568 371.856 361.59 371.856 Oh yeah . Oh , a blank . Okay , next . Free , I like the elephant . It's big , it's strong , so uh uh Oh , it's a little bit 362.14 362.38 363.03 363.37 364.23 364.5 366.08 366.55 367.62 371.04 TS3012a B MTD047UID 1 372.944 375.84 372.96 375.84 It's not really that responsive , no . 374.65 375.4 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 373.235 374.698 373.32 374.43 You have to hold it , right ? 374.16 374.43 TS3012a C MTD046ID 2 374.727 375.469 374.8 375.16 Mm . 375.16 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 376.805 377.472 376.9 377.29 Hmm . 377.29 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 382.848 384.064 382.87 384.01 It's a beautiful animal . 384.01 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 392.124 394.228 392.24 394.1 Oh , you have to p press it pretty hard . 392.39 394.1 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 397.312 399.952 397.51 399.92 With a smile on it , it's very important . 399.1 399.92 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 398.928 401.077 398.928 400.89 It's a cute elephant . 400.89 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 401.3 402.071 401.43 401.85 Yeah . 401.85 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 415.289 417.508 415.4 417.16 And uh not to forget its tail . 417.16 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 420.945 421.469 421.1 421.29 Oh . 421.29 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 422.112 423.113 422.17 423.03 It's a nice beard . 423.03 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 423.689 424.836 423.87 424.75 Yeah , it's okay . 424.11 424.75 TS3012a B MTD047UID 1 428.208 432.849 428.37 432.849 And you was making comments on my dolphin . 432.22 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 428.527 429.398 428.62 429.398 Yes . 429.3 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 430.812 434.6 430.812 434.49 I will beat the dolphin . No . 434.09 434.49 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 434.999 436.617 435.08 436.45 Okay , so it's just a bee . 435.44 436.45 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 436.752 437.232 436.77 437.1 Yeah . 437.1 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 437.6 446.496 437.62 446.23 So I suggest you make us the elephant in the market . The big and strong player in the market . This would be good . Okay , excellent . On to the next one . 440.12 441.94 444.09 444.64 445.45 446.23 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 441.696 442.184 441.72 442.09 Yeah . 442.09 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 442.976 443.344 443.04 443.24 Yeah . 443.24 TS3012a C MTD046ID 2 446.644 447.651 446.644 447.19 Okay . 447.19 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 448.048 449.365 448.07 448.93 Uh yeah . 448.93 TS3012a C MTD046ID 2 451.543 454.296 451.83 454.03 Okay , you should press next . 452.13 454.03 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 452.992 453.902 452.992 453.73 Yeah . 453.73 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 453.63 455.644 453.77 455.53 Press next . Yeah , it's up there . 454.6 454.91 455.53 TS3012a C MTD046ID 2 455.738 456.577 455.738 456.3 Okay . 456.3 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 458.228 458.999 458.38 458.83 That's it . 458.83 TS3012a C MTD046ID 2 459.01 462.427 459.09 462.15 Okay , well the animal I'd like to draw is a tiger . 459.29 462.15 TS3012a B MTD047UID 1 464.784 467.189 464.94 467.189 You picked a hard one , didn't you ? 466.04 467.07 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 470.432 471.882 470.45 471.75 Experience with the tiger . 471.75 TS3012a C MTD046ID 2 470.576 473.024 470.61 472.95 My drawing skills are really bad , so . 472.68 472.95 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 474.336 475.613 474.36 475.613 What ? They are 474.85 TS3012a C MTD046ID 2 475.712 477.468 475.76 477.4 They are really bad , my drawing skills . 476.63 477.4 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 476.925 478.231 477.05 477.97 Okay uh-huh . 477.97 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 493.153 494.528 493.32 494.3 Sure looks smooth . 494.3 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 493.674 494.257 493.85 494.13 Oh . 494.13 TS3012a C MTD046ID 2 499.28 501.648 499.36 501.648 I'm not sure how the legs should go , but 501.4 TS3012a C MTD046ID 2 508.475 510.723 508.74 510.6 Uh these are stripes . 510.6 TS3012a B MTD047UID 1 511.744 513.089 511.91 513.089 Got it . 512.91 TS3012a C MTD046ID 2 518.778 527.528 518.91 527.45 I've picked this animal because it's very fast . It is uh it knows exactly what it wants . Uh it hardly ever wastes any resources . 522.09 525.01 527.45 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 527.353 528.561 527.58 528.42 What does it want ? 528.42 TS3012a C MTD046ID 2 529.088 557.394 529.17 557.33 Uh well , basically uh it hunts for prey , but it does it always in a very well-thought way . Uh it knows exactly what it wants . It never kills an animal uh just for the killing , so it's very efficient . And it tries to do everything as fast as possible . And it always goes for uh security , in seeking uh uh a hide spot and uh and doing everything , security , speed and efficiency is important . And I think uh those things we can use . 530.16 532.65 535.77 536.84 539.91 541.56 544.95 547.57 551.07 551.98 554.7 557.33 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 544.266 545.138 544.52 544.9 Okay . 544.9 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 548.921 549.793 549.09 549.52 Mm . 549.52 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 555.721 556.518 555.77 556.3 I agree . 556.3 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 558.17 558.885 558.37 558.82 Okay . 558.82 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 559.83 561.775 559.86 561.68 Yay , I'm supposed to draw the animal next . 560.2 561.68 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 564.806 567.155 564.96 566.98 I introduce to the world the amazing - TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 574.437 575.072 574.53 574.97 ant . 574.97 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 579.216 580.431 579.29 580.29 Uh hard worker . 580.29 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 581.28 582.515 581.46 582.28 Great team-workers . 582.28 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 582.476 583.049 582.54 582.89 Yeah . 582.89 TS3012a C MTD046ID 2 582.493 583.366 582.69 583.21 Yeah . 583.21 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 583.392 587.884 583.44 587.82 Do everything to Uh really small , but together they're really strong . So I'm gonna give it a smiley face . 584.68 585.73 587.82 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 585.968 586.773 586.0 586.71 Yeah , yeah . 586.35 586.71 TS3012a C MTD046ID 2 586.137 586.795 586.137 586.63 Oh . 586.63 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 591.642 597.76 591.78 597.76 Not sure where the p . Just put 'em here . Whatever . 592.96 596.08 597.04 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 601.374 603.184 601.47 603.184 Think it need shoes . So 602.72 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 626.319 628.533 626.47 628.533 I'm just too lazy to draw it all black , so 627.99 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 631.077 632.592 631.27 632.29 That's the coolest ant ever . 632.29 TS3012a B MTD047UID 1 632.487 637.679 632.52 637.679 You've done this before , haven't you ? 633.49 637.45 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 634.647 647.966 634.71 647.46 I love to draw ants . It's my hobby . Anyway Nah . Just I think it's very representative what we drew , I guess . Like you take just take your freedom and use a a trendy interface that you design for us . 635.78 636.42 638.12 640.26 641.58 647.46 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 641.668 642.301 642.0 642.12 Yeah . 642.12 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 647.966 663.808 648.28 663.76 Just Yeah . You're supposed to make i make it different from uh from what other people have , and just make it a little distinct . Anyway . another beep to stop the meeting . See . Warning . Finish meeting now . 650.52 654.05 655.63 656.92 659.95 661.26 661.88 663.76 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 666.288 667.2 666.35 667.15 Uh put this down . 667.15 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 670.016 686.017 670.04 686.017 Examples . Well I guess we have a little little time extra , but Just a little quick discussion to to open open our work . So what do you guys think about The first idea is just very short . I'll start with you . What are y What are your first ideas for the new product ? What 670.73 673.59 679.43 682.43 683.17 685.7 TS3012a B MTD047UID 1 685.328 693.262 685.35 693.01 Well , I basically had a question . Do uh Are we going to introduce a multi remote control ? Is it just the T_V_ or do we want to in 685.56 687.06 689.73 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 692.37 692.96 692.41 692.96 Uh - TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 692.512 694.827 692.53 694.68 The project I got was just for a T_V_ remote control . 694.68 TS3012a B MTD047UID 1 694.672 716.761 694.69 716.32 Just for T_V_ remote control . Okay . Well , I was thinking about design remote control , with our uh motto and all . Uh thing to keep in mind is that we need to stick to what people are familiar with . No rational changes or whatever , 'cause it revolutionary changes , yes . 696.7 697.64 697.9 700.6 703.25 710.05 713.58 715.87 716.32 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 694.973 695.645 695.02 695.2 Yeah . 695.2 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 695.46 696.704 695.5 696.64 Yeah , I guess so . 695.98 696.64 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 698.008 698.497 698.07 698.497 But - TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 709.408 709.916 709.43 709.71 Yeah . 709.71 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 713.519 716.372 713.66 716.22 Okay , so very intuitive design , I guess . 714.06 715.71 716.22 TS3012a B MTD047UID 1 716.761 738.651 716.761 738.51 Uh we might have to consider other design aspects of our product . So that was something I wanted to add , and perhaps some usability aspect . T_V_ is becoming central in most homes . Do we want people who are disabled in any way to uh , yeah , to be able to use it as well ? 721.87 725.95 728.42 730.41 737.0 737.13 738.51 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 736.942 737.912 737.13 737.912 Yeah , we want 737.37 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 738.746 755.904 738.82 755.68 I suppose we want almost everyone to be using it . So I think I mean , really disabled people , yeah , might be a problem , but I think it's a little take it into consideration . Um yeah . I think we really need to cut the meeting short . You have anything you wanna share quickly ? 741.58 744.25 745.32 746.18 746.95 750.77 752.18 753.87 755.68 TS3012a C MTD046ID 2 753.876 765.328 754.14 765.14 Hmm . Only one thing uh that has to be added according to me is uh the the material it is made of , it should be something light . That's it speaks for itself , but some uh Yeah . 755.87 761.35 763.0 764.02 765.14 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 754.545 755.153 754.63 754.85 Uh . 754.85 TS3012a B MTD047UID 1 763.088 763.514 763.11 763.4 Yeah . 763.4 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 763.972 782.064 764.1 781.9 It should be light , okay . Um , let's see , where did I Let's skip that . Oh , this is it . Sorry , I skipped this sheet . What do we This Quick What we're going to Selling price , twenty five Euros . That's for you . The production price , twelve and a half Euros , approximately . Just go go for that . We'll reach the uh reach that profit . 764.88 765.98 767.18 767.5 769.77 770.0 770.86 771.12 771.96 774.16 775.2 775.59 777.08 778.17 778.79 779.8 781.9 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 765.576 766.126 765.62 765.86 Yeah . 765.86 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 770.95 772.326 771.2 772.25 Selling price . 772.25 TS3012a C MTD046ID 2 777.01 778.184 777.01 777.98 Okay . 777.98 TS3012a C MTD046ID 2 779.927 780.466 779.97 780.23 Okay . 780.23 TS3012a B MTD047UID 1 781.984 784.663 782.0 784.663 Okay , well that's not that much to work with . 782.48 784.57 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 782.225 784.109 782.225 784.06 international . 784.06 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 784.71 794.848 784.81 794.32 No , it's not much to work on . I'm sorry , I skipped it . Anyways , that's Yeah , this is it . Do you have anything you you came up with yet ? About uh marketing transfer , whatever ? 785.0 785.77 786.15 787.38 787.84 789.33 789.96 792.51 793.97 794.32 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 794.976 798.241 795.0 798.14 Um about what ? Marketing ? 797.51 798.14 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 797.993 804.528 798.14 804.33 Marketing I'm not sure what you what you came up with yet . You have anything to share ? Or else we'll cut the meeting just cut the meeting short since we're supposed to stop . 800.31 801.17 804.33 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 802.704 808.016 802.704 807.95 Um no , not really yet , but I've some ideas and I will uh 804.46 805.41 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 805.879 806.55 806.04 806.36 Okay . 806.36 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 808.255 816.311 808.43 816.16 Anyways , the the personal coach will give you the your p your personal assignments and everything . So we'll just meet back in here thirty minutes . I'm sure we have that . 809.29 813.12 815.42 816.16 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 809.183 810.15 809.2 810.15 say it uh - TS3012a C MTD046ID 2 814.72 815.304 814.82 815.08 Okay . 815.08 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 814.704 815.424 814.87 815.3 Okay . 815.3 TS3012a C MTD046ID 2 818.473 819.879 818.63 819.45 Good luck everyone . 819.45 TS3012a A MTD045PM 0 819.447 822.45 819.57 822.32 Yeah , thanks for attending . I'll see you back here in thirty minutes . 819.88 821.22 822.32 TS3012a B MTD047UID 1 820.216 821.363 820.46 821.26 Mm , good luck . 820.82 821.26 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 822.352 822.902 822.37 822.85 Okay . 822.85 TS3012a D MTD048ME 3 832.994 833.811 833.1 833.62 Yes . 833.62 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1.28 3.768 1.45 3.63 Wait for the marketing director actually , so . 3.16 3.63 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 7.104 7.866 7.23 7.82 Anyways . 7.82 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 13.6 14.608 13.64 14.55 Uh . 14.55 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 21.568 31.542 21.61 31.37 See , shall we wait ? I'm not sure if he's late or delayed or whatever , so I'm gonna start soon , we have now don't have much time anyway . There you are , okay . 21.78 22.26 25.14 27.55 30.47 31.08 31.37 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 29.442 30.59 29.57 30.54 Oh , there he is . 29.68 30.54 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 29.739 34.044 29.88 33.85 Yes . Sorry , a little bit of pl little problem with computer . 30.5 31.28 33.85 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 29.783 30.964 29.93 30.964 Okay , we 30.49 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 32.266 35.033 32.4 34.97 Uh no problem . We're about to start , so have a seat . 32.9 34.07 34.97 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 39.665 42.825 39.79 42.74 Okay , welcome again . Today , functional design phase . 40.78 41.32 41.62 42.74 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 43.408 44.304 43.408 44.304 . 44.304 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 45.363 53.565 45.43 53.565 I'll take you over the minutes of last last meeting . Okay , that was just to get to know each other , have a little thoughts on what your vision is and on this project , so 47.24 47.52 49.78 52.7 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 48.832 49.188 48.86 49.09 Uh . 49.09 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 53.565 69.727 53.9 69.52 I put the minutes on the I made on the on the p the the project share , so if you wanna review them , they're there . I will do so after every meeting , so if you have some information you wanna take back you can find it there . Anyways , um today three presentations , from every one of you . 58.34 59.46 60.2 62.82 66.06 66.61 68.48 69.52 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 69.727 87.552 70.55 87.5 Um after that I got some new project requirements from project board , so we're gonna go af go after over this later . But I wanna start with uh stuff you did first , so we can see what everybody came up with . And after that we can have the new requirements and share some thoughts , so . Who would like wanna go first ? 73.46 76.85 80.01 82.89 85.58 86.3 87.5 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 88.592 96.144 88.67 96.144 Yeah , sure , no problem . Um there was a little problem with my computer so not uh the whole uh presentation uh 88.88 89.14 90.53 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 89.313 90.136 89.41 89.86 Go ahead . 89.86 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 89.607 90.242 89.78 90.2 Take it . 90.2 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 95.064 97.654 95.064 97.45 Anyway , let's see what you have . 96.8 97.45 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 97.616 98.208 97.64 98.16 Yeah . 98.16 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 99.408 100.096 99.5 100.096 Um - TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 108.048 109.488 108.08 109.44 Okay , and 109.05 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 109.539 110.64 109.73 110.6 Uh it's still a bit open . 110.6 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 111.168 114.864 111.23 114.83 I want to open the my s oh no . 114.83 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 114.928 118.695 114.95 118.63 You should close it on your own notebook , I guess . Yeah . So there ? Okay . 116.51 117.42 118.02 118.36 118.63 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 117.356 118.688 117.45 118.61 Oh no , that's okay . 118.06 118.61 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 120.512 121.712 120.64 121.64 Uh slide show . 121.64 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 122.861 155.305 122.95 155.305 Yes . The functional requirements , it's uh uh very important for uh the user , he he wants to yeah . The the method we used uh it it's not m not a slide , because it went wrong , but the method we use uh , um we tested it w uh with uh a hundred uh men , and we asked them to w uh what the remote uh f feel uh like and uh what what's uh important . Uh 124.35 126.21 131.12 133.06 136.76 138.02 140.29 146.36 154.77 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 154.672 160.96 154.69 160.79 If I can cut in , is it people or men ? Is it people , okay . 'Cause I thought it was only men , so 'Kay . 155.24 157.61 157.94 158.42 159.42 160.79 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 156.845 169.963 156.94 169.963 People , sorry . Both women and men , yeah . Okay . Uh the findings um uh seventy five percent of the users find most remote controls ugly . Um 157.31 158.24 159.42 160.12 161.0 169.29 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 170.192 172.206 170.21 172.206 That's pretty shocking uh . 171.8 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 171.087 172.95 171.11 172.88 So we have to s we have to do something about that . 172.88 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 171.151 190.181 171.3 190.181 Yeah , and yeah , most th th they want to spend money for a better system , for better remote control , so we can do uh a l a little uh nice things with it , and um they use yeah , they use zap a lot , um uh fifty percent say they only 172.25 173.46 177.03 179.05 183.11 185.64 187.17 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 191.248 198.1 191.32 198.04 So that's the most important things . Um oh yeah , not all of it is it on mine 194.4 196.46 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 192.884 194.0 192.99 193.85 Okay . 193.85 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 198.977 215.625 199.15 215.55 on my PowerPoint presentation , but um uh the relevant buttons are the power , the channel selection and the volume selection . It's uh the most basic buttons that a user wants uh to use . Uh less important is tel teletext , 200.72 205.36 208.25 213.57 215.55 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 200.512 201.913 200.6 201.69 Okay , just talk ahead . 200.95 201.69 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 208.313 208.986 208.46 208.93 Mm-hmm . 208.93 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 216.09 217.505 216.24 217.505 Mm-hmm . 217.27 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 216.832 245.936 216.93 245.936 uh um they use it , but it's not uh very uh important uh on the scale of zero to ten they six and a half uh and but not important is the channel selection , the the hmm ? Oh , the the no no no no no , that's very important , but uh w and not important in the audio settings , display settings and uh 219.37 232.21 234.75 235.33 238.2 239.73 243.52 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 227.538 228.885 227.71 228.63 Okay , that's okay . 228.08 228.63 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 234.11 235.288 234.28 235.05 That's a little weird . 235.05 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 235.278 236.56 235.278 236.44 Which channel selection ? 236.44 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 245.359 248.335 245.41 248.19 Okay , we can we can hide those under a menu or something , okay . 245.78 247.9 248.19 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 246.148 246.846 246.21 246.81 Oh , okay . 246.34 246.81 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 246.852 247.493 246.98 247.32 Yeah . 247.32 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 249.449 296.496 249.449 296.46 Um new preferences preferences . Uh um um beep to find your control , was that was in the test , the the most people uh f find it uh irritating uh when they cannot find a rem their remote control , so uh I think it's a bee beep to sound it and uh you can find it . And another thing uh they want was uh speech recognition um so they can say uh what they want to let's go to channel one and uh that's uh kind of things . And they want maybe an uh L_C_D_ screen um to to look it um wh what's on every channel uh and uh what do I want with it ? 253.44 257.33 259.03 267.34 273.35 287.33 296.46 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 257.888 259.555 257.99 259.38 That's like a button on your T_V_ ? 259.38 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 266.224 266.544 266.26 266.5 Mm . 266.5 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 266.524 267.771 266.69 267.52 Remote , okay . 267.01 267.52 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 284.992 285.659 285.05 285.52 Okay . 285.52 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 295.632 300.344 295.65 300.14 We wanna have a little preview on the remote control . Preview what's on the channel . Okay . 298.59 299.75 300.14 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 298.138 298.645 298.138 298.57 Yeah . 298.57 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 300.32 303.972 300.34 303.85 Is that manageable ? 'Cause it sounds pretty expensive too . 301.83 303.85 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 303.7 307.36 303.74 307.29 That sounds too It's possible , but uh I think it's expensive , but do continue . 305.35 306.5 307.29 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 304.042 304.582 304.13 304.46 Yeah . 304.46 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 307.584 307.968 307.65 307.93 Okay . 307.93 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 308.288 309.776 308.32 309.776 Yeah . Um 309.14 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 311.392 320.734 311.41 320.62 Uh my personal preferences is uh a button for my favourite channel , so I can uh I dunno , so I can zap to my uh 315.93 318.91 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 322.64 331.68 322.67 331.65 f uh quick uh to my favourite channel wh what I uh so , the remote mu must see or um 327.07 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 333.162 339.899 333.21 339.899 must um see wha what mine preferences are for which channel , so I can zap t to 337.72 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 337.047 354.368 337.21 354.32 Okay , you don't set it yourself , it just remembers the channel that you are on most , for example . You want the you want it to be programmed , for example y programmed f or you want it to recognise your favourite channel ? Let's see , you you spend twenty minutes each day on that channel , so it recognises your favourite channel . 337.47 338.5 341.3 343.17 345.5 349.62 349.92 352.62 354.32 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 342.389 342.771 342.44 342.7 What ? 342.7 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 345.771 346.245 345.86 346.21 Yeah . 346.21 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 347.299 347.765 347.38 347.63 Yeah . 347.63 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 349.472 350.559 349.6 350.559 Recognise - TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 352.356 352.805 352.42 352.77 Yeah . 352.77 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 354.528 358.571 354.65 358.41 Yeah , that's uh what my personal preference like . 355.13 358.41 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 357.904 362.223 357.92 362.1 Okay , so it's it it does it recognise itself , you don't have to set it Okay . 358.23 360.69 362.1 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 361.142 366.249 361.24 366.249 No , itself . Maybe it's easier to to sell it , but 361.96 363.36 366.01 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 368.51 369.025 368.58 368.96 Okay . 368.96 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 368.712 379.648 368.88 379.35 I don't know it's manageable , but we will uh we will see . Yeah , it's a little bit uh it's the end of it . It's a little bit uh I lost it , the computer uh crashed , so . 370.2 373.57 373.84 376.36 377.91 378.94 379.35 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 371.267 372.008 371.39 371.83 I see . 371.83 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 376.24 377.047 376.39 376.9 Okay . 376.9 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 376.789 377.728 376.95 377.48 Okay . 377.48 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 378.589 382.731 378.589 382.49 No problem , it's it's okay , that's Yeah , go ahead . 380.0 380.71 382.1 382.49 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 381.428 382.805 381.45 382.46 Shall I go ? Okay . 382.12 382.46 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 386.076 386.716 386.15 386.58 Yeah . 386.58 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 392.32 394.544 392.34 394.45 So , some technical functions . 392.74 394.45 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 393.433 394.365 393.49 394.19 Darn computer . 394.19 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 395.6 409.779 395.62 409.33 Basically I have some issues which you discussed earlier . Uh let's just start with the method . It sounds really easy , what does the user do , what does the th remote control do , but there are quite some issues . 399.47 402.51 403.72 405.23 407.49 409.33 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 399.259 399.733 399.31 399.6 Yeah . 399.6 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 409.779 420.688 410.35 420.6 So the things I'm going to concentrate on are the user aspect , because the technical aspect , that's pretty much covered . We can do that . What goes wrong 415.34 416.72 418.2 419.46 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 421.814 444.576 421.814 444.43 at the user . Gets the remote control . Where is the remote control ? We've all had it once , I want to watch some television , where's the remote control ? That was one of your ideas which you posted in the network folder , a really good idea . Uh these are just the issues . I come to some uh personal experience , findings , possible solutions later . Searches for the button . 423.27 424.59 426.05 428.08 429.24 430.4 433.74 435.24 437.29 439.57 441.15 443.11 444.43 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 428.052 428.659 428.2 428.46 Yeah . 428.46 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 432.393 432.875 432.5 432.71 Yeah . 432.71 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 433.395 434.66 433.45 434.62 That seems very good . 434.62 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 445.584 459.081 445.6 458.65 There are many buttons on a remote control which are not clear . Uh so either we lose those or we try to make it a little bit more clear . Uh also symbols tend to fade after a while . 449.3 455.42 458.65 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 455.088 455.439 455.12 455.33 Mm uh . 455.33 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 455.248 455.998 455.27 455.92 Mm-hmm . 455.92 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 459.081 483.133 459.3 483.01 There's nothing more annoying than faded symbols , because you don't know which channel is this button , so possibly we could find uh something for that , yes . Uh covered that . Oh yes , user presses the button . Um usually when you have a lot of buttons , buttons are small . So you press more once remote control goes 462.36 465.53 469.68 471.22 473.67 474.05 475.56 478.07 479.25 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 467.184 470.73 467.29 470.53 Okay , so have it more make it more durable actually . Okay . 468.04 470.06 470.53 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 484.582 486.522 484.62 486.522 Okay , so the buttons should be 484.86 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 484.813 497.218 484.86 497.05 kablouey or something like that , so we have to pay attention not to put too mun too many buttons on uh the remote control . And possibly also the size , so more important buttons , bigger si 486.34 492.91 494.44 496.62 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 490.668 492.52 490.81 492.3 Mm-hmm . Yeah . 492.09 492.3 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 494.678 499.792 494.8 499.46 Wow . The s Yeah . Make it make them bigger . Even more durable uh . 495.96 496.68 498.31 499.46 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 498.331 517.744 498.35 517.744 So this is basically what I h had in mind in the fade-proof symbols , locator , a sound , uh so clear we should stick to existing symbols , but maybe we could do a little uh investigation to see whether some symbols are uh need to be replaced by others . Uh 502.67 503.61 504.83 509.02 516.9 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 516.432 517.108 516.5 516.94 Okay . 516.94 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 518.784 529.55 518.8 529.52 This I pretty much covered . So what we want to go to is not this one , but more less buttons , easy , some bigger buttons . 520.95 525.1 527.96 528.43 529.52 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 525.217 526.232 525.3 525.95 Yeah , it's true . 525.51 525.95 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 526.144 526.532 526.17 526.37 Yeah . 526.37 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 530.608 532.952 530.66 532.89 So that's basically uh what I had in mind . 532.89 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 531.611 532.667 531.76 532.55 Yeah , that's clear . 531.94 532.55 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 534.544 542.009 534.56 541.8 This is not the final design , this is just a general idea of how I'd like to see uh basically the general idea . 535.91 541.8 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 535.952 537.036 535.97 537.036 No , of course uh 536.21 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 537.856 538.286 537.9 538.18 Yeah . 538.18 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 540.144 541.047 540.17 541.047 I must say that it - TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 543.2 545.376 543.2 545.16 So that was it . 545.16 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 543.344 543.805 543.36 543.57 Hmm . 543.57 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 545.504 563.199 545.53 563.06 That was it . Okay , that was good . So we agree on the the part that we need to get something on the on the remote to find it somewhere and increase it the durability of of the thing , so The other aspects , we'll just see how what you came up with and what's possible for that budget . 546.11 546.55 547.87 558.43 560.0 563.06 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 555.005 556.868 555.08 556.69 Yeah , I think it's a really good idea . 555.19 556.69 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 558.437 559.058 558.53 558.69 Yeah . 558.69 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 563.3 564.074 563.53 563.75 Yeah . 563.75 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 570.4 571.079 570.42 570.88 Okay . 570.88 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 571.024 578.0 571.05 577.97 Okay , that's fine . Um . Okay , now work a little with me . 571.3 573.84 576.33 576.79 577.97 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 580.16 630.328 580.92 630.21 Okay . Well , let's start it as it is . Okay , uh the method . There are a few questions that need to be answered , uh you already uh talked about it a little bit . Which buttons are wanted , uh is our remote control universal or should it be programmable . Uh if it should be programmeab grammeale then we need um something like a mode that you can switch it . Because then the buttons have to send out a different signal then they would normally do . And uh how big is the remote control uh going to be ? I'll tell you why that's important to me . Um there are a lot of technical parts in the remote control , so uh uh that's why I also would like to say uh go a little bit easy on the designs , uh I heard ab uh you talking about beeps and about uh video screens , but uh the material inside and the technical aspects are quite complex already . 581.5 581.69 584.91 585.17 586.13 588.08 590.97 592.33 596.44 601.09 605.66 609.42 611.77 615.12 620.93 626.18 630.21 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 605.126 605.757 605.2 605.52 Mm-hmm . 605.52 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 630.384 631.042 630.42 630.99 Mm-hmm . 630.99 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 630.328 665.191 630.64 665.07 So keep in mind that everything that you keep uh think of , it has to b to be built . So it's that's not as easy as it s might look like . Uh material study , I'm working on that um for the the costs . I have to check out how far I can go with that . Normally , a circuit board is made of fibreglass uh and the wires are made of copper . Uh that is how it is done and all the remote controls work that way , I think we can just go on with that . Um then I've read more integration of materials means less cost for the production . The more we can make uh at once uh in one piece , uh that is cheaper . 633.26 634.98 637.98 639.11 641.78 644.44 644.89 649.44 652.88 654.8 660.22 663.91 665.07 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 635.183 636.718 635.42 636.57 Yeah . Of course , hmm . 635.83 636.47 636.57 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 636.622 637.568 636.68 637.15 Okay . 637.15 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 665.392 668.731 665.41 668.41 You mean integrate them all into the circuit board . Okay . 668.11 668.41 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 667.28 708.653 667.62 708.51 Exactly , so if we make a circuit board with the the connections already on it , then that's cheaper . So we have to make something that's not too difficult in design again . This is what look like uh looks like if you press one button , so this is not the entire thing . You have the the power coming in , then you have like a switch . The switch uh uh uh if you p press it then some electrical charge goes into the processor , that thinks over a Morse code , that's how you should see it . The Morse code goes to the amplifier , then uh the signal is sent to two uh light bulbs . You have infrared and an interv um uh how to say it ? Uh a light in indication , light that you know that it's functioning . 668.31 671.94 673.46 678.28 681.43 682.96 685.27 686.75 693.09 695.08 696.35 698.1 701.14 705.25 706.58 708.51 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 673.074 674.682 673.074 674.682 Yeah , okay . So you have 673.65 674.0 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 707.037 707.671 707.16 707.5 Mm-hmm . 707.5 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 708.653 734.012 709.09 733.88 Uh here again , that's my story about the different modes , if you do want to make remote uh universal , then the processor has to uh make up a different Morse code when some button is pressed . That makes it much more complex , so we really need to have a look , do we want that or not . Uh I don't have any personal p uh preferences uh so far , except for uh the materials to be used uh light , that they are light . 709.83 711.58 714.59 720.67 722.28 724.12 726.64 729.87 733.34 733.88 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 730.734 731.575 730.89 731.47 Okay . 731.47 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 734.533 737.801 734.65 737.66 Okay . That was it ? I'll get back to my thing then . 734.98 736.7 737.66 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 736.184 737.497 736.184 737.28 That was it . 737.28 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 742.656 743.52 742.72 743.52 Uh - TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 753.2 771.069 753.22 771.069 Okay , back this up to the screen . So I got some new information on the project specifications are changing a little . Like you said uh teletext is not not very popular anymore because the uh the internet , nowadays people don't use the teletext anymore or hardly , so it can either 753.61 756.14 760.53 766.27 769.35 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 771.069 789.216 771.1 789.216 Well , I don't think we should remove the button , because there are always people who are using it . But I don't think it should be very it should be one of the big buttons for example . Just put it somewhere or under second option or whatever . It's not important anymore . Um we're targeting young people now , because our um 771.35 772.51 775.29 780.54 783.54 784.93 787.61 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 774.592 775.303 774.61 775.01 Yeah . 775.01 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 790.432 800.837 790.432 800.76 This is a new product and with this new product we want to appeal to younger people , which are um the younger people were defined under forty . I so I think it's that's also good with the fashion and everything , so yeah . 794.84 797.78 800.31 800.76 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 793.928 794.452 794.11 794.21 Uh . 794.21 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 795.724 796.323 795.86 796.08 Yeah . 796.08 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 797.344 797.6 797.39 797.56 Hmm . 797.56 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 798.448 798.736 798.59 798.64 B - TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 800.368 802.911 800.45 802.911 Yeah , and they want to pay for it and uh 800.91 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 802.454 811.512 802.56 811.47 They want to pay for it , people are willing to spend money actually to buy a um remote that they like . If they like the way it looks , the way it functions , so they're actually gonna spend uh spend money on it . 803.28 807.33 808.43 809.23 811.47 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 807.244 808.292 807.3 808.292 With more - TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 811.728 814.48 811.77 814.36 Where with more technical specifications - TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 814.848 827.227 815.16 827.227 Yeah . see how far we can go with it anyway , so And one thing that should be important is that the corporate l colour and slogan are recognisable , which is apparently black and yellow , but 816.73 818.03 823.91 826.71 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 815.616 816.358 815.66 816.358 in the - TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 818.289 818.788 818.32 818.62 Yeah . 818.62 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 827.227 838.901 827.56 838.901 I'm not sure if we I think we should keep the the logo in mind , because with colours you can uh have a lot of uh fashionable colours and everything on it , which suits everybody's taste . So 831.73 836.79 838.54 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 838.901 850.637 839.12 850.58 With that concept I started thinking , so why not just steal Nokia's idea and just make changeable covers for your I mean those cost hardly anything I think , and people could even spend extra money 841.95 848.89 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 845.491 846.333 845.59 846.11 Oh . 846.11 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 848.644 848.968 848.71 848.93 Yeah . 848.93 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 850.637 857.953 851.1 857.54 on buying a cover and so have an entire new remote control that they like to see . Or we can sh for example we can make a different a basic design . 854.47 857.54 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 857.953 879.072 858.23 879.072 And sell the covers separately , for example . That's just a little marketing idea that could be applied , so you can p it appeals to really everyone . So you don't have to I think you don't have to make entire remote controls . We make a basic one and manufacture this cover separately . So that was that was my idea on what we could do to appeal this product to everyone . So just 859.64 860.51 862.7 865.7 869.17 873.1 878.01 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 872.48 872.8 872.51 872.76 Mm-hmm . 872.76 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 877.872 878.277 877.89 878.12 Hmm . 878.12 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 880.266 884.878 880.32 884.73 I'm not sure if you came up with anything in the meantime , after making a presentation . Would you like to share ? 882.68 883.9 884.73 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 883.512 883.903 883.6 883.8 Yeah . 883.8 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 885.28 888.06 885.82 888.06 No , I think this is a good idea . But 885.91 887.72 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 887.04 887.456 887.13 887.42 Okay . 887.42 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 887.703 888.917 887.83 888.85 But oh ? 888.85 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 888.467 891.443 888.51 891.26 Is it manageable ? Is it easy ? 890.59 891.26 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 888.975 889.624 889.12 889.42 Go ahead . 889.42 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 889.977 893.37 890.02 893.37 Yeah , with with an L_C_D_ screen you can 890.99 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 893.36 901.4 893.38 901.04 Oh yeah . I think we should lose the L_C_D_ screen , like you said . I think for example it's it's huge I think the L_C_D_ is huge , it consumes batteries like hell . 893.66 895.3 895.83 899.34 901.04 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 893.878 894.219 893.96 894.1 Y - TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 895.4 896.481 895.48 896.4 Yes , I think so too . 895.94 896.4 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 895.414 897.46 895.58 897.35 Why ? Nokia w 896.37 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 895.558 896.299 895.72 896.16 Yeah . 896.16 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 900.864 901.33 901.03 901.22 Uh . 901.22 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 901.4 916.253 901.58 916.14 I think it takes up a lot of a lot of power . It costs a lot , I think . What we could do , what could be possible , is maybe not an L_C_D_ screen but with a preview , but y I'm not sure if it's even possible . For example , a little T_V_ guide . 904.23 905.41 906.56 907.6 908.98 911.65 914.3 914.83 916.14 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 902.654 903.128 902.7 903.06 Yeah . 903.06 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 903.165 907.648 903.31 907.59 And it costs too much to fabricate , so we're on a tight budget here . 905.4 907.59 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 905.776 906.929 906.02 906.929 Okay , uh 906.33 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 906.05 906.923 906.21 906.86 Okay . 906.86 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 913.92 914.192 913.95 914.16 Mm . 914.16 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 916.08 916.416 916.11 916.37 Hmm . 916.37 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 916.253 938.864 916.46 938.82 Like you have a little just just a text only , not colour , just a little text thing so you can use your remote as a T_V_ guide . I'm not sure it's even possible , but maybe okay , make it Yeah , find a little compromise in that , but What did I write down ? I think the p yeah , the beep is a very simple thing to imple implement , just make a button on your T_V_ and just hit the button , it beeps somewhere . I think it's easy to implement , we should go for that . Uh speech recognition . 918.89 919.45 922.15 923.33 925.02 926.22 927.49 929.13 930.04 932.39 934.42 935.39 936.97 937.83 938.82 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 918.843 919.401 918.9 919.19 Mm-hmm . 919.19 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 918.917 919.491 919.0 919.19 Yeah . 919.19 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 922.319 924.938 922.44 924.79 Hmm . I have to check that out , I'm not sure . 922.69 924.35 924.79 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 927.648 928.19 927.78 928.05 Yeah . 928.05 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 932.245 933.368 932.47 933.11 That must be possible . 933.11 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 935.504 935.824 935.53 935.69 Ja . 935.69 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 936.832 946.578 937.18 946.46 I'm sorry , whe where do you wanna hit the T_ you wanna we want a button on the television . In th okay , but that rules out a universal remote control . 937.7 942.59 943.73 946.46 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 937.792 938.499 937.81 938.499 And it's - TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 941.136 943.592 941.16 943.47 I thin Yeah , I mean where else should you put it ? 942.14 943.47 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 948.016 949.008 948.04 948.88 Because that's not possible uh . 948.88 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 948.173 956.184 948.34 955.89 Yeah , but how are you gonna use that if your I mean if your remote control is lost , how are you gonna press where are you gonna press the button ? 948.56 953.77 955.89 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 952.51 952.884 952.58 952.68 Uh . 952.68 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 953.79 954.214 953.84 954.02 Yeah . 954.02 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 955.919 956.667 956.05 956.59 Exactly . 956.59 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 956.688 961.824 956.74 961.66 Maybe just a slap-on sticker with a button which sends out a small signal . 961.66 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 960.992 969.824 961.01 969.58 A slap-on sticker . Oh , you mean as like a separate thing you can attach to your T_V_ . Yeah , that could be possible . A little little box you can attach to your T_V_ is fine then , okay . 962.01 962.22 965.3 965.49 966.49 969.2 969.58 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 964.374 964.897 964.48 964.81 Mm uh . 964.81 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 964.959 966.306 965.02 966.23 Yeah , exactly . 965.69 966.23 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 968.128 979.495 968.15 979.3 Okay , then uh I'd I'd like to know now if we want the uh universal remote control or not , because that's uh determines everything I'm gonna do . If not Okay . 968.84 974.64 977.86 979.3 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 975.616 976.788 975.64 976.72 I think it's universal . 976.72 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 977.472 988.665 977.49 988.52 I think we should go for universal , because apparently we're a separate company making separate c remote controls to sell to a lot of diverse people . I think universal remote control should be possible . 978.64 986.42 988.52 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 985.87 986.54 985.97 986.26 Yeah . 986.26 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 987.424 987.799 987.48 987.799 Um - TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 988.704 990.532 988.83 990.34 Okay , then I go for that . 989.51 990.34 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 989.472 993.748 989.49 993.6 Everyone uh wants to buy it , so we w yeah . 991.14 993.6 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 991.718 993.988 991.81 993.988 Yeah , I think we're targeting everyone , so remote 991.95 993.29 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 991.871 992.27 992.0 992.15 Yeah . 992.15 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 993.301 995.521 993.33 995.39 Okay . No , it's fine with me , but then I know what to look for . 993.77 993.86 994.33 995.39 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 995.037 1006.352 995.14 1006.31 Okay , universal is good . Speech recognition , I think it's very hard , because we're selling across multiple countries . So I think implementing speech recognition is such a small um apparatus , it's very hard to do . 995.33 996.83 997.61 998.38 1000.88 1005.36 1006.31 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1001.161 1001.745 1001.26 1001.59 Yeah . 1001.59 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1004.438 1005.237 1004.55 1005.1 Or one . 1005.1 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1006.511 1010.568 1006.58 1010.568 Or when you say one two uh i it uh it's enough , right ? But 1010.0 1010.26 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1006.396 1007.058 1006.59 1007.058 And it's - TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1009.504 1014.41 1009.63 1014.12 Yeah , but I don't see Arabian people speaking one , two uh whatever . 1009.85 1013.05 1014.12 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1012.431 1013.163 1012.5 1013.07 Oh yeah . 1013.07 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1013.957 1020.21 1014.0 1020.11 Besides that , the technology isn't really super yet , so that is a problem in implementing this . 1014.67 1016.59 1020.11 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1017.088 1023.331 1017.11 1023.331 It's Yeah . It's not a mature technology , I think it takes a lot of memory and everything in in a remote control , so 1019.06 1020.33 1022.92 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1017.588 1018.204 1017.7 1018.04 Yeah . 1018.04 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1020.208 1020.825 1020.208 1020.74 Okay . 1020.74 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1022.624 1026.41 1022.64 1026.33 It's a good idea , but it's just not I don't think the market's ripe for that yet . 1023.39 1026.33 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1025.954 1037.258 1026.06 1036.97 I don't think it should be implemented in a remote control yet uh . What else do we have ? Um well you should you should look into the in into the materials that are real durable . 1030.38 1031.51 1036.97 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1029.392 1029.664 1029.41 1029.63 Uh-huh . 1029.63 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1029.903 1030.304 1029.96 1030.26 Yeah . 1030.26 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1037.168 1037.488 1037.21 1037.45 Mm-hmm . 1037.45 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1037.258 1049.511 1037.58 1049.42 So the the the symbols won't fade , maybe a little harder plastic or especially li we don't maybe we don't have have to do all the buttons , but especially the ones that are um the popular buttons , so those always fade first . 1039.27 1043.99 1048.19 1049.42 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1039.441 1041.811 1039.6 1041.69 Exactly . I already noted that . 1040.41 1041.69 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1047.696 1048.797 1047.72 1048.55 Mm , okay . 1048.33 1048.55 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1050.007 1050.514 1050.11 1050.36 Okay . 1050.36 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1050.544 1055.04 1050.57 1054.55 Mm the thing is the most important things that we have now . Let's see . 1054.1 1054.55 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1053.504 1053.84 1053.53 1053.79 Hmm . 1053.79 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1054.976 1065.633 1055.0 1065.39 If we uh make a remote control with changeable covers , then we can also make uh a cover for every language area . That's fo is uh especially for older people , that they can read it read it in their own language . 1057.9 1061.78 1063.76 1065.39 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1061.878 1062.745 1062.06 1062.58 For example ? 1062.58 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1064.453 1078.624 1064.58 1078.624 Well , we're not we're not targeting older people , we should remember that . Everything we target is under forty , so . You assume that that they read correctly and I think they're The most important thing about young people is that they're really sensitive to to trends that are passing through the world , so 1064.82 1066.32 1067.3 1068.75 1069.54 1077.94 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1065.364 1065.863 1065.43 1065.78 Yeah . 1065.78 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1067.548 1069.52 1067.63 1069.48 That's okay , okay . 1069.26 1069.48 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1071.204 1071.619 1071.27 1071.47 Huh . 1071.47 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1072.946 1073.619 1072.98 1073.55 But b - TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1077.806 1078.928 1077.92 1078.87 Uh okay . 1078.87 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1079.328 1085.001 1079.62 1085.001 But should the exchangeable covers include the buttons themselves or just the - TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1084.112 1096.102 1084.22 1096.01 No , of course . No , I think it's just something you you put over them , because Yeah we c Yeah , you ca Well , tha that's not a that's not a bad that's not even it's not even a bad idea . I mean , for example , if you're if you're into the durability issue 1084.38 1084.66 1084.83 1086.58 1088.07 1088.84 1092.92 1093.32 1093.93 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1087.344 1087.784 1087.37 1087.57 Hmm . 1087.57 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1088.352 1089.327 1088.37 1089.327 But every - TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1088.65 1091.28 1088.69 1091.22 C that's a problem with the with the text then . 1091.22 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1092.764 1093.097 1092.83 1093.01 Hmm . 1093.01 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1097.519 1107.994 1097.59 1107.87 you could For example , if your buttons are faded , after I mean if you make a durable remote , they are faded , you can just buy a new cover . Uh I'm not sure it's it's hard to make . So it's a good and a bad idea . 1098.97 1100.37 1102.6 1103.02 1104.29 1106.4 1107.87 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1101.216 1101.669 1101.24 1101.51 Mm . 1101.51 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1104.297 1104.754 1104.34 1104.6 Okay . 1104.6 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1105.952 1120.973 1105.952 1120.88 Uh but I know that the buttons are like a Nokia telephone on uh one sleeve , so you don't have to change your whole cover . Uh we can make something that you can only remove the sleeve . Know what I mean ? It works the same as a Nokia telephone , it's it's in my uh 'kay . 1111.98 1113.44 1117.12 1118.28 1119.45 1120.88 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1111.987 1112.492 1112.13 1112.37 Mm-hmm . 1112.37 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1116.959 1117.874 1117.13 1117.78 Oh . 1117.78 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1117.235 1118.666 1117.31 1118.57 Oh yeah , I know what you mean . 1117.75 1118.57 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1119.784 1132.007 1119.95 1132.007 Yeah , I know , it's just just a one one piece of rubber for example , okay . Yeah , that's what I something I have to look into . Either either change both the buttons and and the cover or just the cover , I'm not sure which which is easier , so 1120.2 1120.53 1122.66 1123.12 1123.3 1125.47 1129.84 1130.99 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1120.834 1121.266 1120.95 1121.15 Yeah . 1121.15 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1122.229 1122.794 1122.27 1122.68 Exactly . 1122.68 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1122.629 1123.094 1122.67 1122.94 Yeah . 1122.94 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1130.163 1130.554 1130.24 1130.43 Hmm . 1130.43 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1132.007 1143.829 1132.53 1143.829 Um anyway , yeah , this is what we're gonna do afterwards , just lunch break and have more individual work after that , so let's see what we let's see we 1134.81 1135.81 1137.22 1140.99 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1144.87 1160.929 1144.91 1160.79 So you have to come up with a components concept , yeah . I want some you should do some trend-watching , because even if we're if we're gonna do those covers and everything , what people really want , that's what we need to know in this phase , because that's gonna be the essential final design that we're gonna come up with . 1147.7 1148.3 1150.17 1153.33 1155.07 1156.43 1160.79 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1150.832 1151.468 1150.9 1151.28 Yeah . 1151.28 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1155.52 1155.966 1155.55 1155.89 Yeah . 1155.89 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1160.556 1161.105 1160.67 1161.02 Okay . 1161.02 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1162.544 1163.414 1162.544 1163.414 Um - TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1164.507 1180.904 1164.62 1180.71 Yeah , I think user interface is fairly obvious . I mean it should be very intuitive , s Yeah , it should speak for itself . Uh for example I bought a remote control last week with a new T_V_ , it was it l it's like all buttons and you have no idea what it does at first , and I'm total T_V_ new , anyway . 1164.73 1167.32 1169.71 1170.78 1171.65 1174.27 1178.56 1180.38 1180.71 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1167.52 1168.468 1167.54 1168.38 Pretty straightforward . 1168.38 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1180.904 1204.784 1181.21 1204.37 So I think it should be have less or l very little buttons and maybe a second second level menu for the advanced things . Or maybe just stick 'em under a menu , like you said the um the sound options and the surround and whatever , they're more complicated , just stick 'em under one menu and uh give it a just put it in in s in a software piece , you can menu and you can uh select everything you want to to set on your T_V_ . 1189.39 1191.33 1195.78 1196.74 1200.87 1204.37 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1202.018 1202.375 1202.11 1202.32 Mm . 1202.32 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1204.64 1217.681 1204.72 1217.64 Is it techni technically possible to uh send a signal to a television and then pops up a menu , because we're working with different types of television , so we're going to work with that ? 1213.29 1216.34 1217.64 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1210.69 1211.309 1211.15 1211.25 Yeah . 1211.25 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1216.78 1217.899 1216.99 1217.66 That is true . 1217.66 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1218.208 1218.848 1218.23 1218.78 I don't think so . 1218.78 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1219.558 1220.331 1219.6 1220.18 No , that's true . 1219.83 1220.18 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1220.032 1227.025 1220.12 1226.94 No , I don't think so . Because the television needs to respond to the signal , and if it doesn't know how , it's Exactly , that's not possible . 1220.41 1221.69 1224.02 1224.96 1226.42 1226.94 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1223.429 1224.577 1223.54 1224.38 Yeah , that's true . 1223.78 1224.38 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1223.784 1225.936 1223.99 1225.9 It's an in-built menu , isn't it ? Yes . 1225.11 1225.56 1225.9 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1227.552 1228.854 1227.57 1228.854 So basically we - TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1228.35 1233.008 1228.52 1232.46 I'm not sure if it's impossible , but uh there's a chance it's not , so . 1230.03 1232.08 1232.46 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1233.264 1237.677 1233.28 1237.677 Or we could use a double-sided for less used functions you - TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1237.424 1240.204 1237.44 1240.09 A double-sided remote control ? I don't think that's useful . 1238.95 1240.09 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1238.912 1245.389 1238.93 1245.389 Yeah , with the cover . I it's basically an idea to overcome these issues , because 1239.96 1241.33 1244.93 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1244.912 1253.1 1244.98 1252.94 Yeah , but then you're gonna have a lot of wasted buttons . For example you have a Sony T_V_ and the half of the buttons won't function if you have a for a Sony that won't for a Philips T_V_ . 1245.25 1247.13 1252.94 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1249.99 1250.416 1250.07 1250.38 Hmm . 1250.38 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1251.32 1263.132 1251.48 1263.132 No , but basic functions but functions which are not frequently used . Because if we use a universal remote control , we're going to have to have most buttons on it , so 1251.64 1255.03 1258.58 1262.47 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1251.649 1252.314 1251.8 1251.96 Yeah . 1251.96 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1254.976 1257.375 1255.14 1257.24 I don't think we should Yeah , for exam 1256.82 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1263.296 1264.345 1263.37 1264.16 Mm yeah . 1264.16 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1263.347 1280.264 1263.51 1280.23 I'm not s yeah , for ex you have to make it a little decision between the part if you want a universal remote control that it should do what people usually do with their T_V_s , not not the very complicated settings that you can usually do that with uh either a old old remote control if they really hate that thing , but 1264.36 1273.44 1280.01 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1273.639 1274.005 1273.72 1273.92 Mm . 1273.92 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1275.418 1275.967 1275.54 1275.89 Mm . 1275.89 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1281.536 1282.769 1281.56 1282.55 But that might be broken . 1282.55 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1281.696 1299.346 1281.72 1299.1 you can't you cannot take into consideration all the different brands of T_V_s . I think there's I think there is a standard for example between uh because usually the the menu is the menu button is is usable between different brands . 1285.72 1299.1 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1288.052 1288.451 1288.1 1288.34 Hmm . 1288.34 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1297.648 1297.968 1297.67 1297.93 Hmm . 1297.93 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1299.346 1315.389 1299.41 1315.18 Especially the big ones , the big brands , so . 'Cause everybody I have a universal remote control and it can use the menu button , so I think I'm not sure , if you can put some research into that , if it's possible . Uh I think just a b and the navigation is very basic , it's usually the same thing . 1300.67 1301.35 1302.57 1306.26 1307.76 1308.89 1309.6 1313.61 1315.18 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1300.672 1301.143 1300.69 1301.06 Hmm . 1301.06 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1306.032 1306.401 1306.06 1306.28 Hmm . 1306.28 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1309.495 1310.544 1309.61 1310.544 Mm okay . 1310.41 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1313.24 1330.58 1313.33 1330.58 Mm . But I think there must be a way uh to invoke the more complicated functions of a television . For instance , if your old remote control is broken and you buy ours , then uh you should be able to get everything out of the television that's in it . Because otherwise you'll lose functions by buying our 1314.63 1319.87 1320.26 1323.5 1328.13 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1324.236 1324.884 1324.33 1324.77 Yeah . 1324.77 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1327.43 1344.776 1327.48 1344.68 Yeah , that's true . I think so uh we need to put some research into that if if we can open the menu , I think it's possible , just the way how to . Yeah , then then you could do everything I suppose , because usually the T_V_s have tha that inside in this other little piece of software , so it's okay . 1327.77 1328.27 1332.4 1333.55 1336.76 1336.94 1338.83 1343.88 1344.68 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1327.697 1329.144 1327.77 1329.08 Yeah . Yeah . 1328.7 1329.08 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1327.753 1328.472 1327.81 1328.36 Yeah . 1328.36 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1333.376 1336.065 1333.46 1335.86 Okay , I thi I think so too . 1334.19 1335.86 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1335.995 1336.768 1336.09 1336.71 Yeah , yeah . 1336.54 1336.71 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1344.945 1359.433 1345.11 1359.3 And I think that our r remote control should not look like uh any other . For instance uh Sony makes all their remote controls exactly the same for all their devices , and you always grab the wrong one because formatting of the buttons is exactly the same , only the labels are different . We should not do that . 1348.92 1353.61 1357.34 1358.73 1359.3 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1352.369 1352.951 1352.44 1352.76 Mm-hmm . 1352.76 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1356.932 1357.398 1356.97 1357.31 Yeah . 1357.31 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1358.372 1366.464 1358.58 1366.25 Yeah I think it should be a little distinct from everything else , because it's either it's both mayb maybe the shape can be a little different . Maybe it's a little more curves or whatever . 1360.68 1364.75 1366.25 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1360.624 1361.236 1360.64 1361.16 Exactly . 1361.16 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1360.864 1361.371 1361.02 1361.25 Yeah . 1361.25 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1362.12 1363.703 1362.18 1363.47 Yeah , I have some ideas . 1362.54 1363.47 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1364.607 1366.027 1364.67 1365.56 I have some ideas . 1365.56 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1364.994 1366.368 1365.15 1366.29 Um yeah . 1366.29 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1365.075 1367.264 1365.28 1367.264 Mm that's your uh division . 1366.79 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1367.376 1369.296 1367.4 1369.16 And uh with different colours uh . 1369.16 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1367.963 1368.688 1367.98 1368.688 So um - TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1369.648 1373.711 1369.67 1373.6 I'll put some on paper and present them next time uh the ideas that I have . 1373.6 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1372.432 1379.295 1372.46 1379.12 Yeah , this . Not sure what because we have forty minutes , I'm not sure how much time we have left for the meeting anyway , so . 1372.85 1373.43 1376.97 1378.82 1379.12 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1374.096 1374.496 1374.13 1374.44 Okay . 1374.44 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1378.96 1380.879 1379.03 1380.76 I heard a beep go . 1380.76 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1380.192 1391.079 1380.21 1391.079 Yeah , but it wasn't me , it was him closing something . So anyway , yeah , we could do some i do some work now on on the design for example . I mean what do you want , do you want , but 1380.42 1381.04 1383.68 1384.38 1384.54 1387.73 1389.05 1389.71 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1381.627 1382.334 1381.73 1382.27 Yeah . 1382.27 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1390.172 1392.56 1390.23 1392.56 Yeah , but we like some some curves or 1390.39 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1392.752 1394.202 1392.77 1394.09 Yeah , may maybe something like this . 1392.89 1394.09 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1395.337 1397.158 1395.36 1397.02 But though smooth inside . 1397.02 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1400.496 1413.233 1400.52 1413.17 So you have the transmitter here for example . Let's see that you what would be handy . I think that the the buttons should be the channel buttons should be uh on their own . Let's see one , two God damn it . 1403.51 1405.31 1410.68 1411.78 1413.17 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1402.608 1402.965 1402.68 1402.87 Yeah . 1402.87 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1404.845 1405.269 1404.99 1405.23 Uh . 1405.23 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1408.24 1409.36 1408.26 1409.36 And a light uh - TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1414.768 1416.655 1414.79 1416.6 Oh , we get the general ideas , yes . 1414.86 1416.01 1416.6 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1416.07 1418.925 1416.16 1418.925 Yeah , okay . 1416.54 1418.79 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1419.616 1425.68 1419.64 1425.52 Another one here . Let's see what I think this should these are always on top of the of the control , so they should be here . 1420.79 1424.26 1425.52 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1423.819 1424.368 1423.88 1424.15 Hmm . 1424.15 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1426.238 1432.468 1426.32 1432.31 Yeah , and since you're holding it like this , I suggest you put the channel up channel down and volume yeah yeah . 1426.43 1427.68 1432.31 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1428.591 1430.106 1428.79 1430.106 Think it's like this . 1429.65 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1429.773 1430.421 1429.84 1430.31 Volume . 1430.31 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1431.229 1432.991 1431.47 1432.75 Withi within the Yeah , just take it . 1432.33 1432.75 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1434.032 1436.112 1434.05 1436.08 So you have the up channel - TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1437.516 1441.663 1437.516 1441.54 the down channel the volume , do we want that horizontal or vertical ? 1439.54 1441.54 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1440.923 1442.503 1441.06 1442.503 Do you take triangles or - TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1442.592 1444.616 1442.64 1444.56 Uh it's it's fine , I think . 1444.18 1444.56 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1443.859 1453.867 1443.92 1453.69 Um I think it should be I think it Maybe we should make 'em bigger or whatever . Yeah . 1453.22 1453.69 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1445.776 1448.208 1445.8 1448.208 This is basically what people are accustomed to , so 1447.78 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1447.653 1447.994 1447.72 1447.91 Yeah . 1447.91 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1451.76 1457.616 1451.78 1457.51 Yeah , but this is just a g general idea . Uh maybe the menu button can go i in the middle . 1451.97 1454.07 1457.51 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1451.858 1452.494 1451.99 1452.28 Oh d - TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1455.891 1458.876 1456.09 1458.876 Yeah , in the middle . It's it's usually uh there , but 1456.32 1456.81 1458.56 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1459.68 1460.283 1459.7 1460.13 Whoa . 1460.13 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1460.0 1460.912 1460.04 1460.88 Mm . 1460.88 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1461.759 1468.816 1461.95 1468.73 Perhaps we should also make uh something like a flash on it , if you if it's lost , for people that are deaf . They they won't hear the the beep . 1464.98 1465.99 1467.43 1468.73 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1468.034 1468.525 1468.12 1468.46 Yeah . 1468.46 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1469.298 1473.008 1469.45 1472.87 Yeah , but for example if it's lost in your armchair , we'll not see the flash . 1469.72 1471.89 1472.87 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1471.912 1473.764 1472.07 1473.764 You won't be able to find it . 1473.64 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1472.05 1472.408 1472.12 1472.35 Yeah . 1472.35 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1473.952 1475.993 1473.97 1475.87 And flash takes up a lot of batteries again . 1475.87 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1474.354 1474.761 1474.54 1474.66 Uh . 1474.66 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1476.322 1480.032 1476.49 1480.0 Yeah , it's true , but it's it's only has to do so when you press the button that it's lost . 1476.67 1476.88 1480.0 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1479.437 1479.928 1479.49 1479.928 Just - TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1480.32 1480.992 1480.34 1480.87 Yeah . 1480.87 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1480.752 1485.442 1480.78 1485.36 We could make a combination that it goes beep and that you that some light lights up . 1485.36 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1480.983 1481.392 1481.2 1481.34 So . 1481.34 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1483.712 1486.35 1483.89 1486.03 And L_E_D_ uh on it . 1486.03 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1484.24 1485.552 1484.24 1485.52 deaf people ? 1485.52 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1485.704 1491.641 1485.83 1491.44 Yeah , I thought about for deaf people for example , so . We could do that . Uh let's see . 1486.14 1487.89 1488.5 1490.33 1491.44 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1490.166 1491.688 1490.3 1491.688 Just a light on it or - TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1492.352 1495.952 1492.37 1495.88 So we have the basic channels we've got here , uh the power button 1494.79 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1496.56 1497.661 1496.58 1497.28 Oh yeah , it's true . 1496.83 1497.28 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1496.838 1498.039 1496.91 1497.69 somewhere over here ? 1497.69 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1498.471 1506.563 1498.55 1506.39 Um that thing should be central . You shouldn't be you uh shouldn't press it by accident , but it shouldn't be stacked away somewhere . 1501.85 1503.69 1506.39 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1500.148 1501.104 1500.21 1501.07 Very important . 1501.07 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1505.096 1506.709 1505.15 1506.709 Oh , that's 1506.31 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1505.783 1507.062 1505.96 1506.95 I usually - TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1508.656 1511.675 1508.68 1511.57 press it on top . At least that's what I'm accustomed to . 1509.87 1511.57 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1508.632 1509.281 1508.75 1509.281 It's - TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1509.937 1510.594 1510.01 1510.42 Yeah . 1510.42 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1513.52 1517.06 1513.52 1516.87 I have another idea , I'm not sure if it's possible . 1515.29 1516.87 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1514.08 1517.888 1514.1 1517.888 Yeah , like that's gonna work . 1515.08 1517.63 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1515.45 1515.892 1515.59 1515.892 And - TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1518.176 1519.363 1518.2 1519.19 What would you like to ? 1519.19 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1519.152 1524.016 1519.49 1524.016 Yeah , I thought maybe we should move the buttons down and put it here for example to 1519.74 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1520.441 1520.997 1520.46 1520.82 But you r - TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1521.863 1529.336 1521.95 1529.336 And you are reading from the t you always read from the top to the the bottom of it . Yeah , so it's 1527.74 1528.0 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1526.885 1537.0 1526.91 1537.0 From top to bottom . Yeah , that's true , you should I think the bu the power button should be on top , 'cause it's the first thing you do , turn it on . So power button on top . Um 1527.61 1527.88 1528.3 1530.76 1532.37 1532.81 1536.18 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1528.484 1528.768 1528.55 1528.73 Mm . 1528.73 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1530.736 1531.072 1530.76 1531.02 Yeah . 1531.02 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1536.912 1552.896 1536.98 1552.896 Okay , mute button . Is that somewhere here ? Is that used often ? The mute button ? Do people use that often ? 'Cause uh I'm pretty much accustomed to it right over here , at least in general , but 1537.52 1539.59 1541.63 1543.51 1544.57 1546.49 1550.55 1552.65 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1539.386 1542.554 1539.49 1542.45 Mute . Do we hardly I think it should be at the bottom somewhere . 1539.89 1542.45 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1541.501 1543.563 1541.65 1543.5 So i it's sorry ? 1543.5 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1543.954 1545.763 1544.09 1545.67 Mute . Turn the sound off . 1544.81 1545.67 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1545.511 1547.241 1545.59 1547.17 No , it's no . 1546.21 1547.17 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1549.984 1550.493 1550.0 1550.42 Uh . 1550.42 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1551.52 1551.837 1551.54 1551.7 Hmm . 1551.7 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1553.168 1558.402 1553.168 1558.34 I don't think it's important , but I think it I think it should be you c you could put it somewhere here . 1554.73 1558.34 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1554.451 1556.168 1554.61 1555.99 It's not that important , no . 1555.69 1555.99 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1557.471 1560.4 1557.53 1560.4 Or or with the volume selection . 1560.25 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1561.062 1563.758 1561.14 1563.758 No , because it Yeah , people are accustomed to that , it's 1561.44 1562.23 1563.25 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1561.911 1569.168 1561.911 1569.168 Around uh not uh not at top at the around the volume selection . I don't know where exactly , but 1567.61 1568.8 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1566.928 1568.714 1567.03 1568.62 Can I have that ? That's j 1568.2 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1567.663 1568.337 1567.83 1568.12 Sure . 1568.12 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1569.248 1572.126 1569.27 1572.126 Take this out and here see - TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1574.038 1578.054 1574.18 1578.054 Uh are we gonna take triangles anyway ? I'm drawing triangles , but 1576.77 1577.78 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1578.606 1581.704 1578.79 1581.5 That's pretty much what people are accustomed to , aren't they ? 1580.65 1581.5 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1580.743 1587.37 1581.06 1587.29 Yeah , it's maybe a bigger lesser than thing . So anyway , I think this is should be 1581.91 1585.0 1585.93 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1588.636 1592.062 1588.73 1591.8 the channels and or sh - TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1591.024 1591.328 1591.04 1591.23 Wha - TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1591.46 1594.876 1591.5 1594.74 Well , I'm accustomed to the channels being on top . 1591.86 1594.74 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1592.4 1593.4 1592.42 1593.24 No . Yeah . 1592.91 1593.24 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1593.582 1598.987 1593.582 1598.8 Here , okay . Okay , should we chan okay , this two , channel 1594.14 1595.5 1595.85 1597.28 1598.26 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1593.616 1594.293 1593.64 1594.06 Yeah , me too . 1593.81 1594.06 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1594.404 1596.716 1594.5 1596.55 Yeah , that's better . On the right . 1594.74 1595.56 1596.55 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1601.072 1602.439 1601.09 1602.03 up and down . 1602.03 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1601.463 1608.614 1601.6 1608.614 Shall we uh also look if it's possible to make a rechargeable remote ? That you don't have to buy new batteries if every 1605.92 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1606.898 1607.464 1606.98 1607.21 Yeah . 1607.21 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1606.929 1612.026 1607.24 1612.026 Well , for that is it's on one part it's um it's a good thing to recharge it 1607.78 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1610.8 1612.388 1610.83 1612.35 Maybe it's more ex expensive . 1612.35 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1611.5 1612.506 1611.65 1612.4 Mm , yeah . 1612.16 1612.4 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1613.095 1623.915 1613.18 1623.43 Maybe we should what what could be possible is one with rechargeable batteries for example . You have just put Penlite batteries that are rechargeable , because it's an it's it's it's very annoying . 1617.51 1620.45 1623.43 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1615.092 1615.417 1615.18 1615.32 Uh . 1615.32 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1620.272 1621.662 1620.29 1621.41 But that's already possible . 1621.41 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1620.536 1623.984 1620.78 1623.46 But isn't that expensive in the entire package ? 1623.46 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1622.217 1622.957 1622.3 1622.56 Yeah . 1622.56 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1623.915 1644.572 1624.26 1644.48 I'm not sure y I'm not sure it's if it's expensive , but just take a look at it , because it might be a very good idea . Because if it's it's uh useful to have it rechargeable , but at the same time , if you don't want recha if you forgot to recharge it and you wanna watch T_V_ now , you wanna be able to put different batteries in it , use it now and not in half an hour . 1626.34 1627.27 1630.48 1634.52 1635.91 1640.48 1642.88 1644.48 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1634.336 1634.791 1634.36 1634.67 Yes . 1634.67 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1640.336 1640.708 1640.36 1640.54 Yes . 1640.54 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1644.388 1658.565 1644.56 1658.52 Okay . Uh you could make a device , but I'm not sure how that uh is possible with the costs , that you can put in normal batteries , rechargeable , but it you're the remote also can act as a recharger . So then you can choose , you have every decision . Know what I mean ? 1645.0 1645.94 1648.69 1650.37 1650.86 1655.58 1656.34 1657.98 1658.52 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1649.679 1650.219 1649.7 1650.219 How about - TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1651.088 1652.338 1651.11 1652.06 I think I have a nice idea . 1652.06 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1659.6 1660.89 1659.68 1660.79 Not exactly uh . 1660.79 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1660.213 1666.707 1660.25 1666.6 You can uh put in normal Penlites , rechargeable Penlites , but they can also be recharged with the remote , with a wire . 1662.05 1663.28 1666.09 1666.6 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1663.092 1663.558 1663.18 1663.44 Hmm . 1663.44 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1665.853 1666.552 1665.92 1666.44 Yeah yeah . 1666.44 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1666.572 1675.227 1666.62 1675.02 I think it's uh it's a pretty good idea to have uh like sort of a maybe a base station that you put on the T_V_ . Could be flat , you could insert your uh remote into it . 1671.77 1672.22 1675.02 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1667.829 1669.586 1667.98 1669.586 So but - TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1668.346 1670.325 1668.53 1670.06 Yeah , that's g 1669.55 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1675.6 1686.21 1676.02 1686.07 But I think that will cost a lot . Uh a normal wire would be better . Like a like a P_D_A_ , a hand-held . You can uh just put it in the electricity and it charges itself , you don't need basic station . 1677.19 1678.87 1680.61 1681.75 1684.91 1686.07 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1677.418 1679.748 1677.58 1679.56 I'm not sure . A what ? 1679.27 1679.56 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1684.847 1703.42 1684.92 1703.29 Well , we were talking about the fact that we wanted to insert either a beep or a flash into the thing with a little separate signal or So you could put that on a T_V_ for example . It could be very flat , could be very small . It's a very small Yeah , I'm drawing it big now , but So you can put your remote on flat for example . 1685.37 1694.7 1695.76 1697.15 1699.41 1700.28 1703.29 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1689.2 1689.646 1689.22 1689.55 Yes . 1689.55 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1691.818 1694.072 1692.12 1693.98 That is possible , that's true . 1693.51 1693.98 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1695.542 1695.916 1695.68 1695.916 But - TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1697.297 1697.737 1697.37 1697.737 Which - TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1701.504 1701.81 1701.52 1701.68 Mm . 1701.68 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1704.007 1704.489 1704.11 1704.4 Yeah . 1704.4 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1704.544 1707.12 1704.56 1707.08 And at the backside of remote just just just a little hole - TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1707.76 1708.098 1707.79 1708.04 Yeah . 1708.04 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1708.288 1712.7 1708.31 1712.67 for example um you just put it down , it recharges for example . I don't think it's very expensive . 1710.2 1711.4 1712.67 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1710.126 1710.592 1710.23 1710.39 Yeah . 1710.39 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1711.984 1720.734 1712.0 1720.734 But again , isn't that too expensive ? 'Cause that means that we have to implement rechargeable batteries , a docking station 1712.38 1715.27 1719.14 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1712.806 1713.139 1712.87 1713.03 Yeah . 1713.03 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1715.996 1718.289 1716.13 1718.1 I'm not sure if it costs a lot , that that's what he r 1717.27 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1717.229 1717.603 1717.36 1717.52 Mm . 1717.52 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1719.216 1721.218 1719.26 1721.09 That's that you that's what you buy yourself . 1721.09 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1721.241 1725.257 1721.27 1725.257 Yes . I'm going to try to find that out . I'm not sure if there's information available on this , but 1721.91 1722.86 1724.97 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1724.005 1726.511 1724.09 1726.41 It's just an idea , we have to find out if it's possible . 1724.89 1726.41 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1724.372 1724.962 1724.55 1724.962 But - TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1725.452 1731.648 1725.68 1731.15 And do people actually want that ? To pay extra they want to pay for rechargeable ? 1727.75 1731.15 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1727.165 1728.945 1727.32 1728.85 Yeah , they want to pay for it . 1727.71 1728.85 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1728.816 1730.874 1728.84 1730.81 Do they want but they want a rechargeable one ? 1730.81 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1729.811 1730.377 1729.92 1730.19 Yeah . 1730.19 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1731.546 1734.196 1731.57 1733.87 I'm not sure , you should find out if it's if rechargeable is important . 1731.86 1733.87 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1732.09 1736.747 1732.41 1736.747 Th uh there was not a el ask esque - TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1735.449 1742.417 1735.51 1742.37 Hmm . These are uh comfort issues . So I think people will pay they wanted to pay for comfort . Well , this is comfort . 1736.15 1738.08 1741.2 1741.43 1742.37 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1735.888 1736.372 1735.91 1736.18 Yeah . 1736.18 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1737.704 1738.169 1737.82 1738.169 But - TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1741.288 1753.351 1741.48 1753.351 They want to pay for comfort , we just assu we we could either make a separate station which just sends a signal to the remote control to either beep or flash to find it , um and 1742.52 1751.57 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1744.456 1746.343 1744.66 1746.13 But f hmm . 1746.13 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1749.632 1750.074 1749.65 1749.99 Yes . 1749.99 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1756.013 1760.464 1756.08 1760.43 Yeah , we have to either that or make it integrated with a with a docking station . 1756.26 1760.43 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1757.6 1757.892 1757.63 1757.82 Hmm . 1757.82 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1759.598 1764.28 1759.79 1764.19 Yeah . Exactly . I think this is a brilliant product . I would buy it myself . 1760.71 1761.69 1763.33 1764.19 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1763.368 1770.645 1763.368 1770.645 I think it would be good actually . I like the beep part anyway . So um let's go through the 1766.96 1768.68 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1767.243 1767.667 1767.38 1767.49 Uh . 1767.49 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1769.998 1772.933 1770.09 1772.933 I like the covers . That's a brilliant idea . I never thought 1771.04 1772.03 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1771.526 1773.447 1771.57 1773.447 Can can we save this or - TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1772.23 1778.4 1772.47 1778.31 Covers is covers is good . Yeah , it's Oh we can save this . Up and saved . We even saved the ant . 1773.9 1774.07 1775.42 1777.51 1778.31 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1779.459 1781.829 1779.459 1781.829 Um - TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1783.467 1784.265 1783.467 1784.15 Okay . 1784.15 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1785.904 1790.352 1785.92 1790.22 So what we have is you have I think you have to do a lot of work on if it's possible for the cost . 1790.22 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1790.496 1793.616 1790.57 1793.616 I hope if I have information about that , I'm gonna 1792.44 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1791.917 1807.725 1792.01 1807.54 Maybe yeah , or maybe you can find out i what people are willing to pay . We are going for twenty five Euros sales price , but just try to find out what they're willing to pay for it , because if they're willing to pay more , we could lose a little profit and maybe attract more customers , uh we just have to see what it looks like . 1793.05 1796.28 1798.22 1800.66 1802.82 1805.34 1807.54 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1793.02 1793.76 1793.22 1793.43 Yeah . 1793.43 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1793.808 1794.228 1793.84 1794.09 Yeah . 1794.09 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1797.244 1798.101 1797.35 1797.95 Yeah , okay . 1797.65 1797.95 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1800.397 1801.229 1800.49 1801.1 Yeah yeah yeah . 1801.1 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1804.48 1805.798 1804.51 1805.76 Mm . Yeah . 1805.45 1805.76 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1806.13 1806.629 1806.21 1806.49 Yeah . 1806.49 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1807.504 1816.251 1808.05 1816.16 I would like to make a decision . What it costs and what kind of materials that we can uh choose what we want in it and exactly , I need it . 1809.65 1815.71 1816.16 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1813.128 1820.704 1813.128 1820.704 Yeah , if you have some financial information that that'd be nice , so . Hmm . 1813.83 1818.0 1819.44 1820.64 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1820.528 1826.497 1820.56 1826.497 Could you post some other essentials of what people want , so that I can work with some buttons , where to put it 1823.46 1825.5 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1827.191 1827.657 1827.26 1827.59 Yeah . 1827.59 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1828.231 1830.544 1828.26 1830.42 You seem to have information on that , I'd like to uh 1829.87 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1831.904 1833.04 1831.92 1832.89 see some of it . 1832.89 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1833.103 1836.032 1833.16 1835.98 Was it not possible to uh send emails around the office ? 1835.98 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1836.128 1838.995 1836.15 1838.86 No , it wasn't wasn't allo it was possible , not allowed , so . 1836.34 1837.75 1838.52 1838.86 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1836.608 1838.046 1836.63 1837.98 No , it's not . No . 1836.82 1837.78 1837.98 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1836.742 1838.725 1837.04 1838.41 Not . 1838.41 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1839.854 1843.675 1839.89 1843.46 So that's um why I'm not sure that you're allowed to share documents on the on the draft . 1843.46 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1840.208 1840.732 1840.28 1840.64 Yeah . 1840.64 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1841.919 1844.006 1842.02 1843.91 My computer crashed , so uh 1843.33 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1843.328 1844.492 1843.48 1844.38 Yeah , okay . 1844.08 1844.38 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1844.832 1849.427 1844.85 1849.427 I don't care . I haven't heard any complaints yet , so . Um 1845.64 1847.37 1848.59 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1845.569 1848.139 1845.63 1848.08 I lost my uh presentation , but 1847.77 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1845.671 1847.193 1845.81 1847.14 Oh , your computer . Okay . 1845.95 1846.59 1847.14 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1849.456 1851.348 1849.49 1851.348 I have the uh - TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1850.752 1855.574 1850.82 1855.48 Well , I have your PowerPoint presentation , I can get some inf information out of that . 1850.94 1852.44 1855.48 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1853.312 1854.539 1853.33 1854.22 Yeah , but I 1853.72 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1855.271 1858.848 1855.31 1858.81 Here I have the the s the homepage of uh our - TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1856.272 1857.14 1856.29 1857.1 Let's see . 1857.1 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1859.64 1861.461 1859.71 1860.97 internet , and here is my 1860.2 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1859.64 1863.665 1859.76 1863.55 Yeah , the oh , they inc uh they include the new one . Or just for you . 1860.05 1860.47 1862.71 1863.55 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1862.46 1864.067 1862.75 1864.067 Oh , where would we 1863.12 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1863.9 1868.746 1863.96 1868.746 here is my marketing report , maybe you ca you can look at uh that and 1865.43 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1865.89 1866.979 1865.89 1866.89 Oh no , I didn't have that . 1866.26 1866.89 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1870.521 1878.645 1870.6 1878.51 Where would we want the uh teletext button ? Because we decided that it's n not that important . Do we put it somewhere over here ? 1873.59 1876.98 1878.51 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1872.691 1874.928 1872.84 1874.928 Ah yeah . And one 1873.97 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1874.349 1878.535 1874.4 1878.47 All it tells just let's make make a new tick the new one . 1878.47 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1879.576 1883.401 1879.576 1883.401 Um other side . Yeah , let's increase it a little because 1881.52 1881.72 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1883.456 1885.544 1883.48 1885.48 And uh wha what people want , 1885.48 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1884.982 1889.153 1885.05 1889.07 Or maybe this is something for the next meeting , I can draw out some ideas . 1887.19 1889.07 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1886.852 1887.733 1886.92 1887.56 I've uh - TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1888.32 1896.457 1888.35 1896.457 Yeah , draw us up some some designs of of possible just keep in mind that the important buttons should be on top and either big , so the more less important 1888.49 1894.73 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1890.544 1891.899 1890.62 1891.899 I have another thing uh - TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1893.712 1893.984 1893.73 1893.94 Yeah . 1893.94 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1894.899 1899.776 1894.98 1899.776 Well , we have decided more or less the basic structure . I can put the other buttons in 1895.14 1898.22 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1897.347 1898.253 1897.38 1898.0 More or less . 1898.0 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1899.204 1903.345 1899.24 1903.28 Just play a little with this , put l shift a little up or down and we'll see what looks best . 1900.86 1903.28 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1901.904 1902.289 1901.93 1902.13 Yeah . 1902.13 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1903.614 1904.995 1903.74 1904.93 What uh what did you wanna say ? 1904.93 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1904.915 1908.058 1904.96 1907.98 Or just po post your designs from time to time on the product share . 1907.98 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1904.973 1906.229 1905.06 1906.229 Yeah . Um 1905.78 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1907.312 1907.801 1907.33 1907.59 Yeah . 1907.59 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1908.334 1920.19 1908.334 1920.19 Uh what I al already said is the the uh the remote controls are always lost , but it it's also for people , they want to learn it fast , not uh they want to 1914.39 1916.9 1918.78 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1910.489 1912.413 1910.53 1912.37 Maybe another idea uh . 1912.37 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1918.496 1919.673 1919.08 1919.56 Mm . Mm . 1919.35 1919.56 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1919.654 1923.597 1919.75 1923.42 Yeah , so we don't want we want very little buttons , just the buttons you use a lot . 1919.95 1922.22 1923.42 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1921.424 1921.913 1921.44 1921.61 No - TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1922.625 1923.199 1922.75 1923.0 Mm . 1923.0 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1923.222 1926.548 1923.39 1926.548 It's yeah , it's easy to learn wi and uh 1924.4 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1925.132 1930.254 1925.23 1930.254 Yes , but it should cover all the functions , so possibly , just an idea that popped in 1925.53 1927.66 1928.52 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1927.923 1945.369 1928.02 1945.25 Well what we had function that what people do , so . People change channels , people they change the volume and they they change channel , they turn T_V_ off and on , for example . That's the basic fu that's what you do I'm not sure who present that again , but those are the basic function that people use it for , so those should be very well represented . 1930.84 1932.0 1932.78 1936.26 1937.78 1938.24 1941.05 1943.47 1945.25 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1928.687 1929.128 1928.79 1929.128 Um - TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1945.184 1953.331 1945.34 1953.23 Yeah , but we could go a step further , because some T_V_s have the uh possibility to adjust brightness , that kind of menus . 1945.65 1947.16 1951.91 1953.23 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1945.451 1945.908 1945.55 1945.908 And - TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1949.375 1949.991 1949.43 1949.991 The - TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1951.745 1952.178 1951.85 1952.178 If - TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1953.13 1958.32 1953.17 1958.25 That's true , but that's what we stick under the menu button . Everything is you say in every T_V_ that's configured under the menu . 1953.5 1955.23 1958.25 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1955.968 1956.9 1956.03 1956.9 Yes , but it 1956.41 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1958.304 1964.288 1958.62 1964.19 But that's the question , is it ? Because it needs to be configured in the television under the menu . If it isn't , then we cannot reach it . 1959.42 1960.3 1963.0 1963.48 1964.19 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1958.592 1959.855 1958.75 1959.855 Because we're making - TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1959.337 1959.904 1959.42 1959.904 Um - TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1962.577 1963.259 1962.61 1963.259 Yeah , but 1962.93 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1964.229 1967.234 1964.28 1967.18 We need to adjust to the technology . 1967.18 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1965.248 1968.24 1965.28 1968.18 But I think most modern T_V_s have it in their menu . 1968.18 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1966.976 1972.946 1967.11 1972.86 I think so too . I think so too . Uh isn't there a possibility to do research on that , so we know that for sure ? 1968.27 1969.49 1972.11 1972.86 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1968.42 1969.154 1968.54 1969.04 True . 1969.04 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1973.645 1987.733 1973.72 1987.61 If you rule out functions , then uh and that gets known , then people are not gonna buy it . Then the consumer bond or something says uh you cannot do this and that with it . That's a bad bad com commercial for okay . 1974.9 1976.95 1978.39 1983.38 1987.61 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 1978.547 1979.894 1978.547 1979.61 No , I thi 1979.3 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1982.88 1983.766 1982.9 1983.766 If um - TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1985.524 1987.336 1985.69 1987.11 Uh we'll we'll see what we can come up with . 1987.11 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 1987.016 2009.446 1987.16 2009.29 Another thing I want to say is that uh we are looking at the market for the age uh younger than forty . Um on my report , I didn't uh ish I didn't show it in my uh presentation , because my computer crashed . Um they want to pay for an L_C_D_ screen and speech recognition . 1995.97 1997.87 2001.74 2003.43 2009.29 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 1993.784 1995.72 1993.88 1995.6 Under forty . Yeah ? 1995.25 1995.6 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 1995.192 1995.792 1995.29 1995.76 That's true . 1995.76 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2001.552 2001.936 2001.67 2001.86 Mm-hmm . 2001.86 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2002.892 2003.632 2002.96 2003.43 Yeah yeah . 2003.43 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2007.216 2007.52 2007.24 2007.47 Hmm . 2007.47 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2009.552 2009.872 2009.57 2009.82 Hmm . 2009.82 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2010.376 2011.995 2010.44 2011.76 The want to pay for Oh . 2011.76 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2010.736 2011.295 2010.76 2011.03 So - TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2011.984 2017.999 2011.984 2017.89 Did they really said it like that ? Those two things . Do they realise how much that costs ? That's almost undoable . 2013.81 2014.98 2016.9 2017.89 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2012.677 2015.421 2012.8 2015.421 i yeah . Yeah , and 2014.65 2014.87 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2015.227 2016.237 2015.41 2016.06 Uh shall we ? 2016.06 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2016.903 2017.476 2017.01 2017.39 Yeah . 2017.39 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 2017.92 2022.929 2017.95 2022.7 Oh , we're not going to be able to sell it for twenty-five then , with an L_C_D_ screen . 2018.1 2021.45 2022.7 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2017.997 2020.352 2018.1 2020.32 Younger , age sixteen and forty five . 2018.54 2020.32 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2018.757 2020.142 2018.757 2020.142 Uh but - TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2021.44 2023.361 2021.54 2023.361 That's all here , here it says 2022.04 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2022.526 2028.352 2022.526 2028.32 No , that's that's . Even if i if we have this lost unit , then we cannot do it for that price . 2022.95 2024.12 2026.36 2028.32 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2024.861 2030.041 2024.93 2029.98 Yeah , age sixteen forty fi interest in main features more critical . Okay , so we're not focusing on this . 2025.1 2028.36 2028.64 2029.98 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2025.033 2026.239 2025.18 2026.239 If if they - TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2031.536 2032.768 2031.56 2032.768 Um - TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2034.171 2042.228 2034.24 2042.03 All the interest in features , not really the L_C_ oh here . Would you pay for uh speech recognition in a remote control . Hmm , okay ? 2035.45 2037.44 2041.01 2041.72 2042.03 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2044.512 2045.168 2044.512 2045.12 Yeah , that's true . 2044.8 2045.12 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2045.816 2046.772 2045.94 2046.54 So uh - TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2048.32 2048.912 2048.34 2048.84 we can - TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2048.88 2051.038 2048.9 2051.038 Speech recognition is quite - TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2050.399 2055.895 2050.47 2055.76 We can look at the possibilities for an uh L_C_D_ and uh I dunno . Yeah . 2055.35 2055.76 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2053.359 2053.841 2053.48 2053.74 Mm . 2053.74 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2054.016 2067.208 2054.17 2066.94 Yeah , just look at the possibilities then , because if apparently it's what people want , it's supposed to be a luxurious remote , maybe it's not even that expensive . Or find a compromise , maybe just a black and white or for some extra information on it , on your programmes . 2054.33 2055.53 2057.61 2059.68 2061.55 2062.46 2066.4 2066.94 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2056.0 2056.653 2056.17 2056.43 Hmm . 2056.43 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2057.552 2059.252 2057.57 2059.252 How much it will cost and - TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2058.599 2059.131 2058.76 2058.89 Uh . 2058.89 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2063.812 2064.594 2063.9 2064.594 Uh I - TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2064.657 2065.08 2064.78 2065.08 Um - TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 2065.175 2066.889 2065.24 2066.889 Well I doubt it , but 2066.22 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2066.336 2068.448 2066.36 2068.37 But I really need finance information . 2068.37 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2068.326 2078.96 2068.44 2078.63 Me too . I mean we all do . Right . I think it's something we should put into consideration . Apparently it's what people want , so . We should see if what it costs , if it's possible . 2068.96 2071.06 2072.15 2074.21 2076.06 2076.66 2077.98 2078.63 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2069.428 2072.168 2069.428 2072.168 It will come uh - TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2069.982 2071.04 2070.09 2071.04 We all do . 2070.91 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2076.304 2076.64 2076.32 2076.6 Mm . 2076.6 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2078.352 2078.771 2078.4 2078.6 Uh . 2078.6 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2078.847 2079.279 2078.89 2079.21 Yeah . 2079.21 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2080.384 2080.948 2080.59 2080.85 Yeah . 2080.85 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2083.204 2093.155 2083.204 2093.01 Yeah , we should do a little thing about design , because it looks boring really to me . Even if you put it even if you put a different cover on it , it looks still looks boring , so . 2084.78 2086.61 2088.98 2091.6 2092.74 2093.01 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2091.784 2093.697 2091.93 2093.58 Different colours maybe . 2093.58 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2092.96 2098.247 2092.98 2098.16 Hmm . And the design , it should differ . This is Philips , huh ? Philips has this . 2094.63 2095.42 2095.94 2096.72 2097.49 2098.16 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2094.969 2096.55 2095.12 2096.55 But all - TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2097.814 2102.155 2097.86 2102.05 I have no clue . I just drew something what which would fit into your hand easily . 2098.75 2102.05 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 2098.377 2099.96 2098.52 2099.96 Well , I had basically 2098.87 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2100.101 2100.541 2100.15 2100.49 Okay . 2100.49 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2101.744 2102.151 2101.85 2102.07 Hmm . 2102.07 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2103.12 2103.465 2103.17 2103.36 Uh . 2103.36 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 2103.984 2107.504 2104.0 2107.36 Something like this . To make it kind of futuristic . 2105.82 2107.36 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2108.144 2123.14 2108.18 2122.94 Mm . Oh , I realise if we make it small , then it needs to be a little thicker , because I need to put all the electronics in it . If we make it s uh smaller , uh less wide , then we need to m make it a little thicker , because I have to put all the electronics in it . 2108.59 2109.1 2111.4 2112.78 2116.45 2118.03 2119.58 2121.15 2122.94 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2112.592 2113.971 2112.65 2113.971 I think it's a very - TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2115.808 2116.32 2115.83 2116.09 Sorry ? 2116.09 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2119.13 2119.957 2119.31 2119.91 Yeah ? 2119.91 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2121.979 2134.177 2122.32 2134.08 Okay . Mm-hmm . Yeah , but you have to j just keep in mind it shouldn't be too heavy . I mean we can stick it in in there , I think . Huh even if in the worst case we can even Could you give me the pen back ? 2123.38 2124.34 2124.58 2126.74 2128.08 2129.8 2134.08 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2124.636 2125.417 2124.78 2125.29 Okay . 2125.29 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2128.779 2129.128 2128.87 2128.99 No . 2128.99 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 2130.403 2131.615 2130.47 2131.615 So what kind of - TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 2134.241 2135.016 2134.34 2134.83 Yeah , sure . 2134.5 2134.83 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2135.152 2147.615 2135.21 2147.45 So let's say that people would want an L_C_D_ thing . Let's take take the basic design again , what we oh , crap uh came up with . I'll just make it a little bigger now . 2140.66 2142.22 2143.07 2146.2 2147.45 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2152.423 2154.652 2152.49 2154.56 So a transmitter here . Anyway . 2154.05 2154.56 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2156.16 2163.022 2156.18 2162.91 We could let's say we have an L_C_D_ screen , people want an L_C_D_ screen . So then we should probably put it here . 2158.02 2160.24 2162.91 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2164.847 2170.144 2164.92 2170.144 It doesn't have to be really big , but just just have to be has to be there . Think it's a good place , people don't 2166.3 2168.71 2169.48 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2166.8 2167.184 2166.84 2167.13 Hmm . 2167.13 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2170.609 2176.754 2170.7 2176.754 If you're reading from top to bottom , I think it's better to put it uh at the top . It's j 2172.73 2176.13 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2174.699 2181.357 2174.84 2181.31 No ? It's not that uh it's not the most important function , it's just an extra thing , it just you press the buttons on top , because your finger is on top . 2175.57 2177.37 2178.24 2180.01 2181.31 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2175.894 2176.675 2176.04 2176.29 Me too . 2176.29 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2177.51 2179.655 2177.59 2179.56 Ah but . 2179.56 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2178.461 2189.669 2178.461 2189.51 Uh . But i if you if you are going to uh put the L_C_D_ on it , I think it's very important to use it , uh because it's use it uh 2180.07 2184.49 2187.52 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2189.712 2191.165 2189.74 2190.92 How can you use an L_C_D_ screen ? 2190.92 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2191.53 2199.024 2191.65 2198.96 But nee the function of it . So you can use it maximum , because uh it's a lot it costs a lot . 2194.23 2196.83 2198.96 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2200.56 2201.175 2200.58 2201.175 So - TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2200.575 2202.07 2200.59 2201.95 Yeah , but why I I'm not sure . 2200.76 2201.95 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 2201.417 2203.837 2201.57 2203.78 Now it's pretty much tucked away in your hand . 2203.78 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2204.002 2209.889 2204.07 2209.75 Uh if you t if you press a button , you can see it , ri I'm not sure wha I'm trying to imagine myself what it would look like . 2205.95 2206.74 2209.75 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2204.56 2204.896 2204.61 2204.85 Hmm . 2204.85 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2208.797 2212.848 2208.87 2212.79 No . M I personally would prefer it on the top . 2210.22 2212.79 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 2210.557 2211.336 2210.61 2211.336 I'm - TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2213.269 2216.47 2213.31 2216.35 You would prefer it n Okay . So we have three people saying it should be on top . 2214.43 2216.35 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2213.552 2214.279 2213.57 2214.11 Yeah . 2214.11 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2214.352 2214.786 2214.37 2214.55 Huh . 2214.55 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2218.848 2223.739 2218.87 2223.43 Okay , but then you would would s have to stack away your buttons somewhere else . Anyways . 2219.09 2222.92 2223.43 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2218.761 2219.659 2218.97 2219.659 But it - TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2222.096 2222.464 2222.15 2222.42 Hmm . 2222.42 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2222.968 2225.121 2223.01 2224.99 It's expensive to build it , so 2224.63 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2224.79 2225.232 2224.88 2225.2 Mm . 2225.2 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2225.744 2226.887 2225.77 2226.887 Uh this looks a little - TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2226.194 2228.248 2226.24 2227.99 you must use the maximum of it . 2227.99 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 2226.28 2228.508 2226.32 2228.508 I'm still not convinced of the - TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2228.693 2235.628 2228.79 2235.628 About the L_C_D_s thing . Well if it if it's if it's possible wi if it's not too expensive , we should include it , because it's it's cool . 2230.35 2233.25 2233.93 2235.28 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 2229.686 2230.427 2229.82 2230.23 Yeah . 2230.23 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2230.24 2230.633 2230.26 2230.46 Hmm . 2230.46 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2232.048 2232.916 2232.07 2232.82 They want it uh . 2232.82 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2233.972 2241.216 2233.972 2241.15 We should just try to make that if it's possible . If it is possible we should really do it , but we need that information . 2237.37 2238.87 2241.15 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2241.104 2241.426 2241.14 2241.31 Huh . 2241.31 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2242.567 2243.922 2242.64 2243.922 Uh . But uh 2243.39 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2242.832 2250.432 2243.12 2250.4 Also keep in mind again , the L_C_D_ screen is very flat , but it needs transistors , resistors , I don't know what more and that needs space . 2244.32 2246.38 2247.5 2248.24 2250.4 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2251.536 2252.976 2251.77 2252.94 So I have to look if that's possible . 2252.94 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2254.384 2255.483 2254.4 2255.32 Yeah , I know uh . 2254.67 2255.32 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2254.911 2255.909 2254.98 2255.909 But if we - TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 2255.026 2269.2 2255.19 2269.03 So basically can I what we have to decide now is uh what goes on top . Do we put the volume control and the channel control here , or do we put it on he Would we like to press it in the middle ? 2262.63 2265.88 2269.03 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2256.912 2258.621 2256.912 2258.621 Uh we have green now uh - TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2267.221 2268.227 2267.36 2268.14 In middle of it . 2268.14 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2267.519 2278.75 2267.71 2278.56 Or maybe we should m we could uh draw draw something a bit that has it on on on the bottom . Maybe in a circle for example , like we like in this example . I think this is not good , but for we could make circular buttons for example . 2271.73 2273.09 2275.06 2276.09 2278.56 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2269.094 2269.959 2269.16 2269.84 In the middle . 2269.84 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2278.64 2279.049 2278.68 2278.92 Hmm . 2278.92 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2279.929 2282.673 2279.95 2282.673 For up and down , ma make it a circle on it , because it 2280.57 2282.27 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 2279.824 2287.499 2280.14 2287.44 Yes , but we do agree that we keep this at the centre , because it's basically the most important function . 2280.31 2283.78 2287.44 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2284.222 2284.729 2284.26 2284.63 Yeah . 2284.63 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2285.792 2292.776 2285.81 2292.776 I think the channel button should be in the centre . Channel button should be st stick together , for example here in this section . Because it's uh 2288.02 2289.81 2291.94 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2286.209 2288.122 2286.28 2288.0 It's the most import yeah . 2288.0 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 2292.164 2297.148 2292.25 2297.01 Well , that would make them quite small . So maybe you'd put them here . 2292.44 2295.4 2297.01 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2295.056 2301.089 2295.08 2301.089 We're not sure about the size anyway , just a general design . You can make it as big as you want . For example if you take uh 2296.67 2297.76 2298.86 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 2299.795 2304.337 2299.97 2304.13 Yes , but a big remote control probably not something which people would like . 2300.23 2304.13 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2303.184 2303.642 2303.21 2303.61 Hmm . 2303.61 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2303.302 2307.077 2303.4 2307.077 No , let's see . For example just 2303.98 2304.7 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2306.07 2315.965 2306.21 2315.6 If we have a a space issue , we can also lose one battery . It is rechargeable , so we can stick with one instead of two . That might be an option . 2308.17 2311.04 2312.08 2314.8 2315.6 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2313.49 2318.787 2313.71 2318.63 Yeah . I don't think if we if we even use an L_C_D_ screen , we need to , definitely . 2314.92 2317.31 2318.12 2318.63 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2313.89 2315.337 2313.89 2315.337 . 2315.337 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2318.592 2325.838 2318.8 2325.68 Yeah , but if we need two batteries and an L_C_D_ screen , that means a lot of space that we need . But it has to be a little bit heavier . 2318.92 2321.88 2324.53 2325.68 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2323.945 2329.808 2324.19 2329.72 Yeah , but we have to see what the si what the size is . The L_C_D_ doesn't have to nee doesn't need to be very big . 2324.5 2327.25 2329.72 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2327.136 2327.586 2327.16 2327.43 Okay . 2327.43 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2329.984 2333.057 2330.26 2332.98 No , but the things behind it . space . 2330.47 2332.58 2332.98 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2334.336 2335.351 2334.41 2335.17 Mm let's see . 2335.17 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2335.216 2336.496 2335.37 2336.45 Like a process uh . 2336.45 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2335.472 2339.547 2335.49 2339.42 Finish meeting now . It's on your computer . 2338.2 2339.42 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2338.313 2340.965 2338.34 2340.965 Finish meeting now . Okay , we will . So either 2339.36 2339.59 2340.31 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 2339.84 2342.522 2339.99 2342.522 So would we like this or would we like the - TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2342.912 2347.536 2342.93 2347.49 We either we have to decide what what people want . Either this one , this this could be the luxurious one . 2345.49 2346.1 2347.49 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2343.757 2345.008 2343.98 2344.97 I like this one more . 2344.97 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2348.736 2354.64 2348.76 2354.64 So we have channel buttons here . I'm just drawing something uh . Uh 2351.47 2353.88 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2357.696 2360.768 2357.8 2360.768 I think this would this would look cool . You could have it for example 2359.43 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2364.035 2371.577 2364.19 2371.48 small buttons here for some extra functions , so if your basic function's here , we should like we decided before , programmes up and down , 2366.48 2368.54 2370.29 2371.48 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2364.381 2365.055 2364.52 2364.92 Uh . 2364.92 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2375.056 2375.312 2375.09 2375.27 Mm . 2375.27 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2375.201 2376.257 2375.24 2376.2 and volume here . 2376.2 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 2375.261 2377.63 2375.31 2377.55 Let's see what we have here . 2377.55 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2375.245 2375.877 2375.37 2375.877 Or - TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2376.684 2378.848 2376.73 2378.848 And uh what about speech recognition uh - TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2379.072 2383.753 2379.072 2383.57 Well you can just no , I'm not sure if we can do that , but we could put a microphone in here for example . 2380.41 2381.33 2383.57 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2380.371 2387.035 2380.6 2386.86 Yeah , yeah , but or or an L_C_D_ or an uh speech . I think it's L_C_D_ is better now . 2381.55 2381.77 2385.43 2386.86 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2385.312 2385.813 2385.35 2385.76 Mm . 2385.76 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2386.583 2393.181 2386.78 2393.09 Just to do research into both , w what it costs and what it takes for space . But let's cut the meeting for now yes . 2388.14 2391.07 2393.09 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2388.98 2389.479 2389.06 2389.24 Yeah . 2389.24 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2390.16 2390.81 2390.26 2390.78 I'll try to . 2390.78 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2390.56 2390.919 2390.58 2390.85 Yeah . 2390.85 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2392.527 2403.744 2392.63 2403.57 One more uh thing I'd like to say , uh let's give this uh a name , and not like some vague serial number that no one understands , like with cars . Shall we all try uh to think about a name ? 2395.1 2397.07 2400.73 2402.06 2403.57 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 2400.778 2401.745 2400.91 2401.58 Okay . 2401.58 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2401.424 2404.848 2401.49 2404.8 Yeah , okay , yeah , that's yeah , that's okay . 2401.8 2402.24 2403.75 2404.22 2404.8 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 2403.373 2404.607 2403.5 2404.49 So I think of a name . 2404.49 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2404.448 2405.889 2404.47 2405.82 Yeah , let's think of a name , okay . 2404.65 2405.42 2405.82 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2408.656 2411.248 2408.73 2411.21 Uh okay . 2411.21 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2411.734 2412.533 2411.94 2412.43 Oh , good . 2412.19 2412.43 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2413.312 2419.858 2413.33 2419.66 Okay , at anyways , the the minutes will be on the on the web shortly , so there we go uh . 2413.65 2414.8 2417.07 2419.66 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 2414.274 2415.149 2414.59 2415.149 So - TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 2419.232 2422.64 2419.25 2422.56 Yes , go and finish up and I'll see you at lunch . 2419.87 2422.56 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2423.503 2424.126 2423.59 2423.95 Yeah . 2423.95 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2429.536 2430.484 2429.73 2430.1 Good luck . 2430.1 TS3012b A MTD045PM 0 2430.711 2431.434 2430.77 2431.33 Yeah , to all . 2431.08 2431.33 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2431.083 2431.907 2431.21 2431.83 Same . 2431.83 TS3012b B MTD047UID 1 2431.444 2432.067 2431.58 2431.94 Yeah . 2431.94 TS3012b C MTD046ID 2 2438.304 2440.651 2438.4 2440.51 Yeah , I've Do we uh save the ? 2438.64 2440.51 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2451.12 2452.528 2451.12 2452.528 . 2452.528 TS3012b D MTD048ME 3 2456.16 2456.704 2456.16 2456.704 . 2456.704 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 4.544 5.296 4.56 5.12 Did you manage ? 5.12 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 5.664 7.367 5.69 7.32 Yeah , sh not quite . 6.52 7.32 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 7.728 8.176 7.82 8.13 Okay . 8.13 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 8.8 9.743 8.82 9.743 You will see uh - TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 9.952 12.48 9.97 12.41 Ah . Hello . 11.99 12.41 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 12.512 15.968 12.53 15.92 Hello . So , are you d what were j you guys discussing ? 14.07 14.26 15.92 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 16.608 19.392 16.64 19.29 No , just uh ask if if he could manage . 16.93 19.29 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 18.676 19.117 18.76 18.94 Woah . 18.94 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 20.016 20.389 20.04 20.28 Yeah . 20.28 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 20.224 22.992 20.33 22.95 Okay . Did you find anything new ? 21.54 22.95 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 22.96 24.88 23.0 24.88 Mm uh nothing special . Uh 24.72 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 24.8 25.136 24.82 25.08 Mm-hmm . 25.08 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 25.216 26.937 25.31 26.52 I have a lot of new information . 26.52 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 25.707 29.744 25.82 29.68 Yeah , the for uh the trendy uh stuff . 26.03 29.68 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 27.148 28.163 27.21 28.09 Great , great . 27.77 28.09 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 31.344 33.408 31.41 33.3 A little bit . I uh now will show it . 32.1 33.3 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 31.505 32.387 31.58 32.28 Come on . 32.28 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 34.091 34.889 34.091 34.889 . 34.889 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 34.4 37.571 34.91 37.46 Hey , everything alright . Did you manage ? 35.34 36.85 37.46 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 35.952 44.032 36.48 44.032 Well , I had just a little bit of time , so I hope it's something uh we can work with . But 36.7 38.97 43.84 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 39.336 40.175 39.48 39.96 Okay . 39.96 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 39.948 40.688 40.02 40.57 Okay . 40.57 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 41.704 43.334 41.78 43.334 What's uh here . 43.14 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 43.946 46.176 44.02 46.06 Yeah , I had the same . It just uh 44.28 45.21 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 46.912 50.822 47.25 50.67 Do you have a lot of new information ? Do you have a lot of new information ? 49.29 50.67 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 47.641 49.254 47.69 49.254 shuts itself down and - TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 48.976 49.296 49.0 49.23 Hmm ? 49.23 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 50.567 66.816 50.64 66.816 Well , I heard that there was a new uh component speech recognition component , which was pretty much up to standard , so we might use that I put that in my drawing , but again I didn't not have that much time . So 50.91 58.09 60.38 63.47 65.95 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 58.0 58.451 58.04 58.31 Oh . 58.31 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 58.48 58.992 58.48 58.96 That's true . 58.96 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 58.863 59.628 58.95 59.55 And there we are . 59.55 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 60.88 61.211 60.9 61.1 Huh . 61.1 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 66.108 79.863 66.23 79.77 Alright . I have a lot of new information . I have a complete list of uh everything that we can use , all the components that all av available . I have no I still don't have any finance information , but at least we have a lot more to go on now 67.11 69.44 72.78 74.92 77.6 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 67.605 69.999 67.69 69.85 What the f oh , yeah uh . 69.14 69.85 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 70.816 71.996 70.86 71.996 It doesn't do what I want it - TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 74.608 76.401 74.67 76.401 Okay , that's just super . Let me just 75.13 75.91 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 78.035 78.492 78.035 78.492 . 78.492 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 79.541 80.208 79.541 80.208 uh - TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 80.06 84.492 80.31 84.492 Okay fine , that's too bad . Yeah , I have to start our 80.83 83.21 83.48 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 82.096 85.122 82.15 85.01 You need to start it up first ? Okay . 84.53 85.01 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 85.589 86.004 85.62 85.91 'Kay . 85.91 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 88.711 114.946 88.86 114.946 Okay , go again . Well second phase , conceptual design . It's fine , everybody knows what we're talking about . So , take you past the minutes of last meeting again . Again you get your three presentate to see what you came up with . So too bad we don't have any finance information apparently . So that's too bad . So then we'll just have to d uh have to go on , you know , the information that we have to make the make final decisions on uh on a conceptual design . So 89.58 91.17 91.86 93.12 93.63 95.02 96.66 99.34 102.4 104.78 107.05 109.37 109.54 113.58 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 95.728 96.032 95.78 95.94 Yep . 95.94 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 115.383 145.35 115.4 144.82 Here we go . Anyway , last w last w what discussed last time , you all remember that , that we have to keep the electronics size in mind . Same goes for you . We have to have an easy design with big buttons which are durable and there are people actually spen willing to spend money to do to get more features and uh among those features L_C_D_ screen and voice recognition are very popular . So we have to make a move on that area , I guess . S especially s when when the new uh component is applicable in our uh product , we'll be fine . 116.1 116.33 118.42 119.78 122.92 123.57 135.24 138.52 138.87 144.35 144.82 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 145.35 175.434 145.87 175.3 Anyways , well teletext wasn't important and that's what I took . And the consumer , yeah , we aim for young consumers , so that's fine . And well actually we yeah , we did need some more data on finances , but w yeah we still don't have that apparently . That's too bad . Yeah , we need to im de we are going to implement the beep and the flash thing to recover your remote . So one of these interchangeable covers apparently which will make it a more fashionable product . So anyway . 146.56 149.71 150.8 151.07 152.32 154.01 156.81 158.64 161.21 162.46 162.62 166.47 174.27 175.3 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 160.223 160.984 160.29 160.82 Mm uh-huh . 160.82 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 176.336 188.602 176.38 188.47 Guess we'll have to do this after the after the you give your presentations . So I'll just close this one now , and let's uh let's see , . We have a lot to tell . You had a lot to go on . So uh how about you go first . 179.37 181.93 185.51 185.51 186.4 187.23 188.47 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 183.936 184.96 184.0 184.91 Okay , what t 184.29 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 184.166 184.757 184.2 184.757 I bet - TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 187.568 188.278 187.59 188.08 Yep , that's right . 187.79 188.08 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 188.56 189.533 188.58 189.33 Okay , yeah . 189.21 189.33 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 189.536 190.131 189.56 190.02 Oh okay . 190.02 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 194.02 195.359 194.15 195.19 Let's see where my - TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 197.264 198.144 197.35 197.96 presentation is . 197.96 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 204.769 248.857 204.85 248.857 Okay , um this I mentioned before . Every feature for our remote control needs to have their own operating electronic devices . We need to take care of that . Then warning , uh there has to be a chip in our remote control . And the chip requirements uh needed for a normal button uh is just a simple chip , uh scroll-wheel , and L_C_D_ is an advanced . Of course this is more expensive than this . So we have to decide on that in a minute . The available uh components for energy are , we have a basic battery , a hand an uh dynamo , like in uh old torches . We have a kin uh kinetic provision , then you have to shake the remote control to get the energy . And we have solar cells . I suggest that we uh decide on that one uh immediately . Then I have all lists . So 205.21 207.17 211.44 213.16 213.86 216.18 221.22 222.75 224.2 226.83 229.72 232.69 234.57 236.03 237.79 240.15 243.11 245.02 247.44 248.45 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 228.876 229.792 229.1 229.792 Okay . 229.64 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 250.114 255.163 250.19 255.07 My personal uh fav favourite is the kinetic provision because uh I ha - TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 250.665 251.214 250.74 251.214 Um - TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 254.544 255.745 254.56 255.62 Does it provide enough energy ? 255.62 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 256.512 257.424 256.53 257.35 I think so , yes . 257.08 257.35 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 257.696 264.582 257.72 264.53 Also if if we were choose the the L_C_D_ option , would it give enough energy Okay , that's the just assume it takes . 261.37 262.62 264.53 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 261.118 261.583 261.19 261.43 Yes . 261.43 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 262.319 270.983 262.39 270.92 Yes . Because I had the information uh you take uh the remote control , you pick it up at least two times a day . So then it's already shaken and gives energy . 263.16 266.26 268.12 270.92 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 270.394 272.787 270.51 272.787 Well , I'm not sure if it's shaken enough , because 270.67 272.14 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 271.17 275.876 271.21 275.79 Is that enough ? Because I don't really see people shaking their remote control before using it . 272.15 275.79 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 271.44 271.925 271.44 271.925 . 271.925 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 273.266 273.676 273.39 273.676 Or - TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 274.427 289.716 274.63 289.64 No , I don't think so , because uh watches can go on kinetic energy because they move all the time . But I'm sure t I mean remotes lie still I think like ninety nine percent of the time . So I don't think that's a really good the other alternative were solar cells . I don't think that's applicable because 274.95 275.43 278.39 283.87 287.87 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 276.769 277.254 276.92 277.254 Think - TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 280.431 280.864 280.47 280.6 Hmm . 280.6 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 282.66 283.124 282.73 283.0 Hmm . 283.0 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 289.054 292.288 289.09 292.11 Other options are solar cells , hand dynamo and basic battery . 290.48 292.11 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 289.653 290.326 289.8 290.12 No . 290.12 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 292.32 294.494 292.5 294.35 I thin why why shouldn't we take a basic battery ? 294.35 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 292.688 294.768 292.73 294.73 And what does the hand dynamo oh , sorry . 294.56 294.73 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 294.146 296.434 294.23 296.24 Yeah . A rechargeable maybe . 294.42 296.24 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 296.005 298.511 296.07 298.38 Only basic battery ? Okay , but I think this is not a r 297.18 297.39 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 297.183 304.381 297.28 304.22 Why not ? I mean everybody everybody knows how to use that . It's it's common . So and it's available everywhere . So why sh mm I think better . 297.66 300.04 300.92 302.44 304.22 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 297.382 299.112 297.61 298.92 Re rechargeable basi - TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 299.527 299.936 299.527 299.936 . 299.936 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 301.554 302.012 301.61 301.74 Yeah . 301.74 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 303.136 309.321 303.17 309.19 Yeah , but I think this rules out our unit our rechargeable unit . This is really a really basic battery , a normal battery . 303.39 306.7 308.62 309.19 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 303.604 304.144 303.68 303.94 Yeah . 303.94 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 307.709 308.573 307.77 308.573 Yeah , but it's 307.97 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 309.456 313.235 309.48 313.15 Yeah , uh it wasn't it wasn't in the options , a rechargeable m module actually . 309.68 311.19 313.15 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 309.576 310.135 309.73 309.94 Oh . 309.94 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 311.009 311.381 311.13 311.31 Huh ? 311.31 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 312.832 315.169 312.85 315.03 Okay , that's uh . Okay ? 313.19 314.05 315.03 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 314.74 319.863 314.77 319.863 Okay yeah , b you c of course you could place re re-chargeable batteries . But that's up to the consumer himself . So 315.27 317.97 319.42 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 315.159 316.653 315.22 316.5 Yep . Basic . 316.2 316.5 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 319.344 323.036 319.57 323.0 Okay , but then we don't offer a re-chargement function . That's what it says . 319.79 322.15 323.0 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 322.928 325.857 322.99 325.857 Well , mm it's not in the list . So we cannot choose from it . So 323.36 324.34 325.36 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 325.4 333.258 325.51 333.17 Exactly . Alright . Right . Yep . Next one is curving . Uh we can make a model that has one curve , two or three . 326.75 327.03 328.09 328.47 329.76 332.27 333.17 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 326.68 327.968 326.75 327.93 Okay , will just take regular batteries . 326.91 327.93 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 328.327 328.917 328.4 328.71 Okay . 328.71 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 334.16 341.9 334.23 341.85 And uh uh th uh the shape . Of course uh the more curves the more expensive . Exactly . Yes . 337.45 340.47 341.44 341.85 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 334.514 336.096 334.55 336.096 Curves being ? 336.05 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 338.418 339.267 338.52 338.9 Okay . 338.9 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 338.487 346.204 338.57 346.15 Of the remote control itself , okay . I was thinking along the line of one curve . I'll show that in my design . 341.49 342.33 344.52 346.15 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 340.718 341.128 340.78 341.128 But - TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 341.501 341.948 341.56 341.948 But - TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 342.158 342.799 342.18 342.48 It dep - TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 345.567 345.982 345.64 345.982 But - TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 345.92 346.353 345.97 346.24 Hmm . 346.24 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 346.992 348.899 347.01 348.899 Okay , we'll get back on that later . Just 347.22 348.49 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 347.552 348.944 347.57 348.79 So we'll get back to that . 348.79 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 348.096 348.589 348.12 348.45 Yeah . 348.45 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 349.031 351.085 349.1 350.87 Hmm . I think one curve is uh fine . 349.5 350.87 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 349.786 350.269 349.92 350.14 Yeah . 350.14 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 350.464 359.694 350.49 359.54 But what were the implications if you if put more curves it it's gets more expensive . Okay , so I think with with the extras that we had there it's two curves I suppose . Okay . 354.94 355.31 359.19 359.54 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 351.503 352.833 351.56 352.72 Depends on the user . 352.72 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 353.929 355.907 353.98 355.84 More expensive . More difficult to make . 355.13 355.84 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 358.387 380.331 358.48 380.25 Exactly . And I believe even that the r the number of options we have on putting things in it uh goes down with exactly . Material . I have to offer a plastic , rubber , wood or titanium . Uh if we choose plastic , we cannot choose solar cells for energy . If we choose titanium , uh we cannot use more than one curve . 359.7 367.81 368.88 370.24 370.75 372.62 374.01 376.61 378.02 380.25 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 365.167 366.481 365.32 366.39 Also decreases , okay . 366.08 366.39 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 376.618 377.05 376.68 376.92 Okay . 376.92 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 381.488 382.579 381.52 382.54 But we don't have that so fast . 382.54 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 381.822 385.339 381.9 385.339 More than one curve , uh yeah okay . We'll just go uh 382.72 384.3 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 382.804 392.207 382.89 391.86 Okay , I t I'd go for plastic because I have a couple of curves in my design . Well , g let's just get back to that . 383.47 389.53 389.69 391.86 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 386.587 387.926 386.61 387.8 'Cause it yeah , I'm not sure . 387.11 387.8 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 388.124 388.531 388.22 388.4 Mm . 388.4 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 389.067 389.499 389.19 389.42 Yeah . 389.42 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 389.209 389.718 389.28 389.65 Mm . 389.65 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 390.007 397.642 390.04 397.55 We'll discuss that later . Okay , we have so I think we can rule out um I'm not sure we can rule anything out . We'll do that when y when you get your design . 391.08 391.43 395.87 397.55 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 391.561 392.177 391.69 392.09 Yeah . 392.09 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 391.902 392.459 392.05 392.39 Okay . 392.39 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 396.226 396.463 396.27 396.36 No . 396.36 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 397.641 399.146 397.74 399.06 But I think wood is not an option either . 399.06 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 399.024 400.845 399.05 400.79 No , wood's not an option . No . 399.26 400.48 400.79 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 399.106 404.231 399.27 404.05 No , wood i wood's not an option . Well it it's stylish , but we can yeah , but you can change your covers anyway . 399.44 400.6 401.53 402.57 404.05 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 400.543 400.984 400.62 400.88 Okay . 400.88 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 402.472 402.88 402.53 402.75 Hmm . 402.75 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 403.04 403.485 403.07 403.27 No . 403.27 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 404.177 411.07 404.22 411.02 Okay . My personal thought was uh rubber because I had an email , I believe it was from you , uh f against falling . 405.06 408.18 409.65 411.02 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 409.184 420.673 409.3 420.41 Yeah , is it keep in mind that it it's it's uh it fal uh remote controls fall a lot on the ground . So you don't want it to break . So either have rubber edges or a rubber remote control is very durable . But Continue . 409.61 413.59 415.02 419.31 420.41 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 416.272 416.66 416.29 416.56 Hmm . 416.56 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 418.461 420.864 418.57 420.864 Okay . Uh 420.09 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 420.047 425.067 420.09 425.067 Yeah , but it doesn't have to be unbreakable , because we do need to keep selling these thing 420.19 421.82 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 420.306 420.896 420.5 420.8 No . 420.8 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 422.233 430.573 422.25 430.573 Don't have to be un-breakable , it's p it's a it's not supposed to ju yeah , break after one use . I mean it they they fall a lot . So 423.13 427.33 428.52 430.18 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 425.438 425.777 425.54 425.72 Mm . 425.72 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 427.99 430.512 428.14 430.48 Okay , well that that's definitely true . 428.62 430.48 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 428.455 428.76 428.48 428.6 Yeah . 428.6 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 430.608 438.672 430.64 438.672 Mm . I think we have to decide on this anyway . Uh because if we make removeable covers , it has to be one of those mat materials . We have no more than this . So 431.0 432.76 434.52 436.08 438.38 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 438.445 443.301 438.7 443.301 Because it well , ru will rubber actually protect the remote control itself ? Because it 439.56 442.69 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 442.721 449.516 442.81 449.39 Well , you have for if you if for example if you take hard plastic . If it falls it might crack . And rubber uh kind of softens the fall . 443.14 445.42 447.14 449.39 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 448.464 451.395 448.48 451.395 Yeah , but then you buy a new cover . But rubber 448.6 450.07 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 450.624 454.378 450.64 454.29 I'm not sure if it's the it's the entire cover you change . Uh , it's could be . 452.97 453.52 454.29 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 453.497 453.904 453.52 453.8 Mm-hmm . 453.8 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 453.392 456.549 453.55 456.549 Are are we focussi focussing on on the - TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 455.602 469.015 455.66 468.81 You know what , th we're focusing very much on the covers now . I think it's just w now we're going for the basic design . If we wanna expand our options , f be fashionable , then we can get changeable covers . But I think the basic thing let's just rule out wood for now and continue . 456.1 457.82 460.7 461.88 462.65 464.53 468.81 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 457.888 458.348 457.99 458.348 But - TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 465.168 466.86 465.21 466.86 But - TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 465.792 466.048 465.82 466.01 Mm-hmm . 466.01 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 468.112 468.57 468.19 468.46 Okay . 468.46 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 468.991 477.223 469.12 477.223 Not that but are we focussing on the uh younger people or the elder people ? Younger , okay . Yeah , that's okay . Nah , that's 475.0 475.34 475.81 476.04 476.71 476.93 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 473.881 476.966 473.91 476.91 We're definitely focussing on the younger people , 'cause that was our main goal . 475.34 476.91 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 478.512 501.344 478.64 501.344 Alright . Then I proceed , but I need to know after this meeting . So Interface , uh I have four things to offer , pu uh normal push-buttons of course . Um uh we have a lot of expertise on that one . We have a large history , our company , on push-buttons . Scroll-wheels , uh those can be pushed as well , although that is more expensive . Um liquid crystal colour display and um 479.26 479.75 481.88 483.65 485.37 487.52 490.76 491.7 492.28 493.57 494.33 495.52 497.29 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 481.942 483.04 482.05 483.0 Okay okay , we will . 482.61 483.0 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 482.551 483.036 482.57 482.86 Okay . 482.86 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 492.449 492.898 492.49 492.77 Mm-hmm . 492.77 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 502.368 513.697 502.45 513.48 What is this ? Okay , and if we use rubber , I already mentioned that , we can only use rubber buttons . So rubber can only match with rubber . Which one of those are we gonna use ? Push-buttons , that's b uh I think basic . 504.11 504.32 505.35 506.06 507.62 509.89 510.95 511.51 513.48 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 509.552 509.994 509.59 509.9 Mm-hmm . 509.9 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 513.056 534.787 513.08 534.75 Evident . Yeah , o of course we're gonna use . But I didn't I didn't go on the thought of a scroll-wheel actually . I'm still deciding on what what what could you use it for . Maybe for volume control . Channel , I think that would be annoying because it might accidentally scroll onto another channel . I think a push-button for channel would be better . I mean it for volume control it's it's a smoother motion , you can just increase or decrease . But not sure . For channels will be good . 513.41 513.57 514.67 518.4 520.93 522.57 522.91 526.35 528.76 531.49 532.7 533.81 534.75 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 514.822 515.673 514.99 515.55 Yeah , of cour 515.27 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 515.145 515.536 515.24 515.43 Huh . 515.43 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 515.448 515.905 515.56 515.905 But - TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 518.87 519.244 518.99 519.12 No . 519.12 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 520.99 522.088 521.05 521.85 I think the channels . 521.85 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 523.536 523.841 523.63 523.7 Oh . 523.7 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 525.841 526.18 525.96 526.11 Yeah . 526.11 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 527.197 527.57 527.197 527.57 . 527.57 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 530.316 530.587 530.38 530.5 Huh ? 530.5 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 531.071 531.536 531.21 531.47 Huh . 531.47 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 533.264 534.468 533.28 534.468 Hmm . But 534.12 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 533.486 538.144 533.53 538.05 Yeah , but there is a is it really necessary 'cause a normal push-button can do that job . 533.65 538.05 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 535.611 537.864 535.67 537.8 I don't think so . I haven't I haven't taken it into consideration . 536.21 537.8 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 536.858 540.815 537.46 540.67 Huh ? Oh . Ah so but it looks cool . Mm no . 537.79 538.44 540.19 540.67 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 538.112 547.234 538.13 547.234 But th the younger people my investigation turns out that the younger people want a little bit uh material that that is uh spongy and uh - TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 538.754 540.144 538.83 540.06 I don't think we really need one . 540.06 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 544.273 546.793 544.32 546.71 Oh . Ah . flashy and yeah . 545.0 545.4 546.71 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 547.996 548.661 547.996 548.661 . 548.661 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 548.0 554.832 548.02 554.78 I think would be cool , scroll-wheel . It's not that much uh if we take a normal scroll-wheel without the pushing , then it's not expensive . We can do that . 548.88 550.06 553.1 554.22 554.78 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 548.132 548.707 548.2 548.707 So - TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 551.03 551.712 551.17 551.48 A sc - TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 554.816 555.87 554.84 555.71 But why do we need it ? 555.71 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 555.091 556.571 555.2 556.43 Yeah , but why would we use it ? 555.29 556.43 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 555.222 555.494 555.29 555.45 Think . 555.45 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 556.306 559.191 556.39 559.01 Ah we don't need it , but it's uh it's design a design thing . 557.14 559.01 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 556.94 557.455 557.02 557.29 Yeah . 557.29 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 557.724 563.696 557.82 563.61 If we don't need it , why put it in your why put it in your in your if it's if it's not something people are looking for or is useful . 558.31 563.61 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 558.736 559.891 558.736 559.891 Yeah , you get 559.42 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 563.776 564.323 563.81 564.12 No . 564.12 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 563.887 569.9 563.95 569.64 I think they are looking for that . Of course we have uh a young target group . So they might find that attractive in a remote con 564.76 567.04 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 565.368 565.933 565.45 565.8 Are they ? 565.8 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 568.286 569.866 568.31 569.56 Scroll-wheel ? Uh I don't know . 569.1 569.56 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 568.612 573.814 568.68 573.814 Yeah , but if it's if it's not useful , I don't think it I don't think it gives an extra function to the remote . Anyway 568.84 570.15 573.16 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 572.205 572.862 572.26 572.79 Yeah , that's it . 572.4 572.79 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 573.504 577.12 573.62 577.07 Okay . So push-buttons we will use . Uh L_C_D_ screen ? 574.62 576.05 577.07 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 577.92 580.485 577.94 580.485 Perhaps . I have t I have two different 578.39 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 578.454 579.153 578.6 579.0 Is that s - TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 578.646 581.801 578.85 581.801 What you what what'd you get on the L_C_D_ screen ? Is it expensive ? Does it 580.61 581.41 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 579.758 580.423 579.91 580.14 Yeah . 580.14 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 582.502 588.998 582.52 588.88 Uh I only know that if we are using that , we need ano uh an advanced chip in it . And that is more expensive . 584.66 587.81 588.88 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 588.354 590.667 588.42 590.667 And how much more expensive is that ? Or 590.3 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 590.064 592.901 590.2 592.901 I have no idea . I have no absolute numbers . I only have 590.73 592.22 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 592.108 597.873 592.17 597.82 No absolute numbers , but it's just more expensive and takes more room I suppose in your in your design . 593.06 597.82 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 592.126 592.685 592.17 592.34 Okay . 592.34 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 592.359 593.074 592.359 593.074 . 593.074 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 596.952 599.232 597.02 599.17 Yeah , but I don't think room is really an issue . 597.22 599.17 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 599.62 609.248 599.71 609.09 Don't think it's an issue , okay . Oh let's go for let's say because it is uh very hot in n our target group I think , we should take it take it t to consideration to build an L_C_D_ screen in it . 600.29 600.94 606.33 609.09 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 609.25 609.733 609.25 609.733 . 609.733 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 609.276 621.99 609.37 621.78 I have two designs , one including uh an L_C_D_ screen , wh which is basically the deluxe edition . And then I also have a standard edition , which wi we can also choose to develop too . 610.36 614.28 616.47 618.91 621.78 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 612.448 613.377 612.48 613.26 For the future . 613.26 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 613.968 614.722 614.06 614.67 Okay . 614.67 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 615.162 615.711 615.27 615.47 Yeah . 615.47 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 620.39 628.202 620.46 628.16 Which basically has the same functionality , but lacks the L_C_D_ screen . Okay . We'll pick a we'll pick from uh we'll just combine everything later . 622.02 624.43 625.81 628.16 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 622.338 622.87 622.45 622.82 Yep - TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 623.904 624.601 623.95 624.53 Exactly . 624.53 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 625.6 626.16 625.62 626.16 But we'll - TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 628.23 647.136 628.29 646.92 Mm-hmm . Okay . Electronics , uh the first one is the chip . Uh that's no longer an option , it has to be an advanced one now . 'Cause we have the L_C_D_ screen . Then we have an infrared sender , I think that's basic , we cannot do without . Otherwise it's not s a remote control . And we have the sample sensor and speaker , the voice recognition thing . Are we gonna do that or not ? 628.82 629.58 630.2 631.31 632.7 634.21 636.19 637.58 639.13 640.24 642.31 644.28 645.65 646.92 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 635.039 635.449 635.18 635.34 Yep . 635.34 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 639.333 640.306 639.39 640.306 Basically , it 639.94 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 639.381 639.948 639.59 639.81 Yep . 639.81 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 641.408 641.899 641.46 641.77 Mm-hmm . 641.77 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 647.407 651.441 647.5 651.441 Once again I was would ask you if it's expensive , but apparently you don't have any data . So 649.47 650.91 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 647.6 648.766 647.62 648.766 Oh , I got 648.22 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 650.783 654.568 650.84 654.3 I only have uh uh relative information . 654.3 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 653.52 657.04 653.55 656.93 Well what d what was exact what you got on the on the new component ? 656.93 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 656.111 658.528 656.15 658.33 I got an email that it's relatively small . 658.33 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 658.446 663.315 658.48 663.17 That's small . So we can implement it . So why why if it's small and we can imp why shouldn't we ? 659.02 660.62 663.17 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 660.112 661.129 660.13 661.129 Yes , let me just 660.52 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 663.6 664.932 663.63 664.56 Get back . 664.56 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 664.064 664.606 664.09 664.606 Oh how did you - TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 664.235 670.587 664.3 670.41 And there's um get your mar marketing report ? What was uh the last number of how many people were interested in voice recognition ? 666.83 670.41 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 665.28 667.009 665.32 666.86 That goes also for the scroll-wheel , by the way . 666.48 666.86 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 671.355 672.943 671.4 672.943 Um uh - TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 672.414 674.558 672.48 674.48 Although it's hard for different countries of course . 674.48 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 674.193 676.24 674.28 676.24 The most of them um - TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 675.688 679.066 675.71 678.95 But you have to programme it yourself , I suppose , with your own voice . 677.06 678.18 678.95 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 679.856 683.184 679.88 683.08 Um uh more than uh sixty percent . 683.08 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 683.599 686.144 683.69 686.1 More than sixty percent of the people would like voice recognition . 686.1 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 685.336 689.552 685.46 689.44 Yeah . Mean of uh seventy percent I think . Uh I'm I have to look it up . 686.15 688.36 689.44 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 688.193 688.534 688.28 688.47 Hmm . 688.47 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 689.648 693.4 689.74 693.4 If it's small , if it's fits , if if people like it , why not ? So 690.35 690.89 691.59 693.0 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 690.4 690.841 690.63 690.74 Yeah . 690.74 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 692.16 705.537 692.18 705.43 Hmm . But don't we have any w uh information about scroll-wheel ? Scroll-wheel . If people would like that . That's strange , because that's the same story . It's it's not necessary like an L_C_D_ , but it's just it adds something to the design . 692.75 695.59 696.12 697.78 698.22 699.38 701.9 705.43 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 696.297 696.796 696.41 696.68 No . 696.68 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 697.712 699.147 697.74 699.147 No , only 698.73 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 700.528 701.603 700.55 701.46 Ah . I don't know . 701.12 701.46 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 703.794 715.888 704.07 715.73 Yeah , but we got some data on people that actually are int are interested in that , and I don't think a scroll-wheel offers new functionality , whereas speech recognition and L_C_D_ screen do offer new functionality in your product . 704.39 708.0 711.12 715.73 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 708.123 708.547 708.21 708.48 Hmm . 708.48 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 710.816 711.71 710.92 711.55 On the most spee - TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 711.524 711.948 711.61 711.75 No . 711.75 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 713.218 713.634 713.43 713.634 But - TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 714.653 715.601 715.04 715.49 Oh that's r - TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 716.848 722.795 716.87 722.73 But I think uh we now already have to uh implement uh an advanced chip . So it's m 722.06 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 721.442 731.479 721.56 731.479 Uh I think so , because if I think we're specially w if you're going maybe uh if you have the two editions you wanna wanna give out , probably you have one with uh with speech recognition and 722.32 728.81 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 722.796 724.942 722.87 724.87 Yeah , for the future . 723.27 724.87 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 731.872 738.224 732.12 738.18 Well , they b they basically can have speech recognition . I mainly focused on the L_C_D_ uh aspect . 732.42 735.13 738.18 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 735.829 736.711 735.98 736.711 Um - TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 738.139 740.832 738.21 740.832 Yeah , hold on a minute . Were were you we're finished ? Or 738.36 739.09 740.51 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 740.496 741.825 740.52 741.72 No , but that's that's okay . 740.65 741.72 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 742.144 742.464 742.19 742.33 Oh . 742.33 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 743.744 744.921 743.78 744.921 Because if there's something that - TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 744.768 746.207 744.79 746.14 'Cause you wanted to see them , right ? 745.84 746.14 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 745.726 746.518 745.79 746.3 There is still time . 746.3 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 745.79 748.335 745.81 748.24 'Cause have did you have all the materials ? Or everything that you desc 747.27 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 747.584 750.327 747.67 750.21 Yes , this was uh the last M_S_ . I have a clear picture . 747.92 749.34 750.21 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 749.385 753.921 749.47 753.921 Okay , so uh just just go for design for now . Just m have a seat for a second . Uh 749.76 751.57 753.27 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 756.64 758.737 756.66 758.57 We'll combine everything after this . 758.57 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 757.74 759.97 757.83 759.82 So this is basically the deluxe edition . 759.82 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 761.184 762.512 761.2 762.43 Why is it s why is it squared ? 762.43 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 761.233 761.699 761.34 761.63 I j - TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 763.264 764.069 763.29 763.98 Why is it square ? 763.98 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 763.616 768.778 763.64 768.48 Why did you pick square ? Or uh not square , but why is it yeah , sharp corners . 764.74 765.74 767.91 768.48 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 764.797 766.592 764.88 766.37 It 'cause it's designy . 766.37 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 767.936 770.656 767.96 770.656 It's basically it has some futuristic - TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 773.05 784.111 773.07 784.02 Potentially , yeah . I don't really know . But I just thought that uh in normal remote controls you have like smooth curves and this and that , and this is something new , this is something different , something fresh . 773.54 774.07 774.8 781.0 781.98 783.19 784.02 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 773.296 773.875 773.32 773.65 Yeah . 773.65 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 775.248 775.981 775.27 775.981 People - TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 776.272 778.005 776.29 778.005 Looks like a Star Trek phaser . 777.79 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 785.36 786.811 785.36 786.65 It's true . 786.65 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 787.472 794.576 787.76 794.53 And basically what you can see here is that it has a little , yeah , let's say gap which you can put your finger in . 792.25 792.7 794.53 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 788.372 788.813 788.49 788.63 Ri - TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 793.836 797.272 793.93 797.07 Yeah . Or Okay , so just yeah , you can rest it on your finger . Okay . 794.3 794.89 795.61 796.67 797.07 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 795.428 797.032 795.47 796.83 So only r right-handed . 796.83 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 795.952 799.309 796.01 799.26 So you can you can hold it really comfortable , that's basically the idea . 798.14 799.26 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 798.021 798.545 798.15 798.42 Mm-hmm . 798.42 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 798.114 802.604 798.22 802.604 But it but it's only right-handed then . Not for the left . Or 801.1 802.23 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 801.147 803.749 801.22 803.61 Or left hand . I doesn't really matter . 802.4 803.61 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 801.175 804.668 801.25 804.668 No , it just uh it's a curve inside a thing . So 802.21 804.29 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 804.026 804.352 804.09 804.31 Hmm . 804.31 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 804.448 807.296 804.47 807.26 As you can see , this is the remote control 805.23 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 804.704 805.336 804.73 805.2 Where ? 805.2 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 805.619 805.977 805.68 805.78 Wher - TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 806.144 806.895 806.16 806.75 It's on the back . 806.75 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 807.545 810.223 807.6 810.12 Oh in the back , okay . Oh yeah yeah . 808.33 809.43 810.12 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 808.308 824.575 808.35 824.5 Uh you can't really see it that well , but this is the L_C_D_ screen . So just imagine it goes that way . Then you can see you can hold it in your left or in your right hand . And I also made a quick image , 'cause I did not have that much time , 810.09 812.13 815.47 819.62 822.69 824.5 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 811.806 812.346 811.86 812.2 Okay . 812.2 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 814.868 815.834 814.89 815.76 Yeah , I think it's okay . 815.09 815.76 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 814.956 817.185 815.07 817.1 Oh yeah yeah . Okay . Yeah . Yeah yeah . 815.74 816.32 816.67 817.1 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 819.569 821.24 819.73 821.24 Yeah . I thought it 820.63 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 826.048 828.094 826.07 827.84 of the standard edition - TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 829.904 832.816 829.92 832.78 which has basically the keys are pretty much the same . 832.78 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 834.096 836.789 834.18 836.62 Keys are probably the n the number keys , I suppose . 836.02 836.62 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 836.56 844.672 836.58 844.61 Yeah . I had to do this really fast . So excuse me for the uh inconvenience here , but as you can see , the keys moved . 837.36 838.96 842.68 843.68 844.61 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 842.187 843.31 842.34 843.09 Okay . 843.09 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 844.733 848.491 844.78 848.491 Well , you can work on the actual concept or actual design later with him . But 844.93 848.25 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 846.48 846.867 846.5 846.82 Yeah . 846.82 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 848.007 856.56 848.05 856.4 So these are basically the two types we have . So if we were to select the L_C_D_ screen , the transmitter here , you can see the light i 850.14 854.23 855.31 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 856.431 881.859 856.53 881.859 Well , I think what you have to keep in mind is that um you're moving the the the number keys from the top . Uh in the the simple design you have them at a top , and the uh complex design you have them at the bottom . So it would that would give us a totally different design . So which actually making a whole different product instead of two different models . I think it would be very expensive to produce two whole different products . So 856.67 864.28 867.42 869.43 873.06 878.45 881.39 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 880.9 887.088 881.01 886.99 Well we can shift that . But normally , as you can see there , we put the uh number buttons right on top . 881.99 882.77 883.62 886.99 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 888.16 894.419 888.16 894.419 Whereas because we had the L_C_D_ screen here , we had to move them downward , so what you could say is that 890.92 892.21 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 892.624 900.889 892.64 900.889 Yeah , uh or for example , why did you pick the mm the numbers uh all the way below , and the and the channels and volume control 892.86 894.18 897.91 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 899.917 909.504 900.02 909.03 Because these are basically the functions you use the most . So if you hold it in your hand like this , you put your finger in the gap , this is the m most easy part . 902.98 905.7 907.2 909.03 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 900.231 902.285 900.36 902.15 Well it it's yeah . 902.15 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 909.488 910.066 909.52 909.94 Okay . 909.94 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 909.596 910.043 909.67 909.91 Bit . 909.91 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 910.256 911.538 910.28 911.33 Hmm , I agree . 910.92 911.33 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 910.736 914.238 910.76 914.13 For zapping , cau because people are zapping most of the time . 911.35 914.13 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 910.842 911.906 910.91 911.78 That's fine . That's fine . 911.43 911.78 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 911.056 911.613 911.2 911.53 Yeah . 911.53 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 912.848 919.477 912.87 919.477 Just as long as you tak took it into consideration what people would prefer . Uh , okay if you all agree , I'm fine with it . But 916.36 917.52 918.43 919.2 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 917.849 918.273 917.91 918.0 Hmm . 918.0 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 920.72 921.072 920.78 921.02 Yeah . 921.02 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 922.028 932.08 922.07 932.04 Okay . So that's pretty much ha which I had in mind . As you can see here , this can be spaced for extra keys , which is the design thingys . 923.08 926.41 927.15 928.76 932.04 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 930.592 931.634 931.03 931.56 Okay . 931.56 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 933.472 940.2 933.51 940.07 No it maybe it's better to look uh what the people want . So I can uh show my uh investigation . 936.24 940.07 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 936.0 937.376 936.02 937.376 Yeah , I think we'll 936.53 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 940.844 946.449 940.9 946.32 I think we're going towards the deluxe edition anyway , because that seems to be what the people want . But let's see what's what they want now . 943.29 944.95 946.32 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 943.894 945.01 943.96 944.92 Yeah , maybe it's better . 944.29 944.92 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 945.565 946.106 945.6 945.88 Yeah . 945.88 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 945.804 947.384 945.94 947.31 Especially for young people . 947.31 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 947.392 947.848 947.43 947.71 Mm-hmm . 947.71 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 948.48 951.888 948.55 951.85 Um where is that ? Where is th 951.34 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 952.819 953.368 952.86 953.27 That's mine . 953.27 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 957.408 958.672 957.43 958.672 Oh . Uh 958.12 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 958.601 960.742 958.67 960.65 No , you should send it to the f to the folder first . 958.93 960.65 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 960.656 961.136 960.69 961.01 Yeah . 961.01 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 964.704 966.689 964.73 966.5 Mm I forgot that . 966.5 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 964.804 971.465 964.91 971.36 Okay um , let's just assume we go to forty one . 967.7 971.36 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 972.928 974.368 973.0 974.22 Okay , now it must be there . 973.17 974.22 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 977.376 978.297 977.46 978.2 Yeah , here it is . 977.66 978.2 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 981.61 982.275 981.85 982.11 Oh yeah . 982.11 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 991.065 1021.805 991.13 1021.805 Okay , uh the investigation turns out that the most appear uh people want um um uh look and feel likes is uh uh the s the same as before , but it must be w a little bit fancier than uh the the look of it . Um the second important thing is um the it must be uh technol technological uh innova vative . So that's the L_C_D_ screen is perfect , I think , and not uh 991.76 1002.82 1008.96 1018.0 1020.05 1020.98 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1022.166 1023.184 1022.19 1023.13 Speech recognition . 1023.13 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1023.104 1025.57 1023.26 1025.52 Yeah , tha that's uh very important . 1023.72 1025.52 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1026.592 1028.064 1026.72 1028.0 And a third thing is - TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1029.424 1039.744 1029.424 1039.71 um yeah , it's uh should be easy to use , so not not too much bu buttons and uh channel selection . I think that's uh what you showed is uh perfect . 1030.97 1032.38 1036.21 1039.71 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1041.6 1065.424 1041.64 1065.35 And what the pe young people want is uh in Paris and and in Milan uh it showed out that the fruit and vegetables are uh are trendy . Th they you s you see it in the clothes and everything . And um the contrast uh of it , it must uh the the buttons must a little bit spongy material . So uh rubber , I think uh th that's the best . 1052.94 1055.97 1058.58 1062.77 1063.81 1065.35 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1052.88 1053.432 1052.91 1053.25 Mm-hmm . 1053.25 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1062.945 1063.386 1063.1 1063.26 Hmm . 1063.26 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1064.567 1066.629 1064.7 1066.53 No . Yeah , uh I agree . 1065.58 1065.79 1066.53 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1065.392 1065.979 1065.43 1065.83 Mm-hmm . 1065.83 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1065.473 1069.481 1065.49 1069.481 Then rubber would be the best as a material indeed . If that is the uh 1068.35 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1067.13 1079.767 1067.28 1079.67 No . So we are uh we were focussing uh on the younger people . So the elder , yeah , they wanted a little bit of wood in it and uh that's uh th that's not uh important now . 1068.19 1072.08 1073.56 1074.67 1079.67 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1067.655 1068.43 1067.7 1068.31 I think so . 1068.31 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1070.627 1071.85 1070.73 1071.48 Okay , agreement . 1071.02 1071.48 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1072.029 1072.472 1072.05 1072.4 Okay . 1072.4 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1079.18 1080.993 1079.33 1080.89 Okay , so we're definitely going for rubber . 1079.64 1080.89 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1079.817 1086.72 1079.89 1086.69 It could be a c it could be a cover . But it's not . Our focus is the young audience . So let's stick to that . 1082.01 1083.65 1085.3 1086.69 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1081.365 1081.839 1081.42 1081.73 Yeah . 1081.73 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1083.468 1084.566 1083.53 1084.566 Yeah , but 1084.28 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1083.848 1084.879 1083.87 1084.74 Let's just go - TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1085.824 1086.272 1085.85 1086.2 Yeah . 1086.2 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1086.736 1087.328 1086.88 1087.28 Uh-huh . 1087.28 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1087.238 1093.458 1087.34 1093.458 'Cause uh n I I I I thought uh it makes a young uh classic remote with uh - TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1093.241 1102.05 1093.31 1101.88 Nah , I think we're in this case you're losing the the focus on the young group , because we're that's what we're focussing on . So I think the spongy feel gives us rubber . 1093.84 1097.26 1099.45 1101.88 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1096.702 1098.889 1096.78 1098.79 Yeah , that's why I I d uh 1097.42 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1099.92 1100.512 1099.94 1100.512 decided - TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1102.272 1102.811 1102.3 1102.7 Mm-hmm . 1102.7 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1102.356 1103.903 1102.42 1103.79 With a fruit uh - TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1103.856 1105.17 1104.1 1105.17 Yeah , w th apparently 1104.28 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1104.928 1106.925 1104.98 1106.925 cover ov or something like that . Uh 1106.67 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1106.116 1118.051 1106.26 1117.94 Yeah , apparently yeah , maybe also yeah , I tend to disagree with with uh with a sharp form . I suppose it basi if you're uh saying fruits and vegetables , maybe it's supposed to be a little little more round . 1106.73 1107.73 1110.23 1112.85 1115.62 1117.94 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1114.001 1114.492 1114.001 1114.492 . 1114.492 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1116.968 1121.4 1117.03 1121.25 Yeah , in in form of an uh vegetable or an uh fruit , maybe . 1117.55 1120.93 1121.25 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1120.403 1122.931 1120.51 1122.7 Yeah , for exa maybe like uh like a pear or something . 1120.75 1122.7 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1121.203 1148.479 1121.32 1148.479 Yeah , but that's just more a se a seasonal , a trend thing . The idea now is is is that you can uh put a cover on it , for example , with fruit , like a shape or whatever . But not 'cause a n next year it will it'll be something completely different . And then you have your apple-shaped remote control , which is not trendy anymore . So I think that's more something you can focus 1121.6 1124.88 1126.64 1130.82 1131.48 1132.28 1136.32 1141.04 1144.79 1145.97 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1122.2 1122.75 1122.31 1122.75 And - TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1123.572 1124.416 1123.67 1124.416 Oh , where is your 1123.8 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1126.064 1126.784 1126.11 1126.49 That's true . 1126.49 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1126.176 1127.397 1126.32 1127.2 That's what we're doing . 1127.2 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1127.432 1128.347 1127.56 1128.347 A trendy - TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1134.337 1135.37 1134.5 1135.27 Mm . 1135.27 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1135.872 1136.145 1135.89 1136.03 Hmm . 1136.03 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1135.808 1139.924 1135.9 1139.59 I think shape is is important , because they s they really extend . 1137.37 1139.59 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1136.729 1139.257 1136.92 1139.257 Here he here you can put a - TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1139.739 1140.146 1139.81 1140.07 Hmm . 1140.07 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1140.842 1141.452 1140.98 1141.36 Oh , that's true . 1141.1 1141.36 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1145.948 1154.048 1146.0 1153.98 Yeah , but now you have your your like your Star Trek phaser thing shaped control . So I I th the edges are really really sharp . I'm uh not su 1146.33 1150.87 1153.19 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1151.408 1152.195 1151.43 1152.02 Well , you can s 1151.6 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1151.817 1152.574 1151.9 1152.574 Uh maybe it - TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1153.234 1157.984 1153.28 1157.92 What you can do is smooth the edges indeed . But that will bring extra c expenses . 1155.54 1157.92 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1157.401 1157.884 1157.55 1157.78 Mm-hmm . 1157.78 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1157.947 1164.318 1158.09 1164.23 Or maybe just make it make it up into into a low a smooth curve instead of just less sharp twist on the outside . 1164.23 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1159.137 1159.465 1159.18 1159.465 But - TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1162.128 1162.522 1162.15 1162.41 Yeah . 1162.41 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1163.468 1166.784 1163.5 1166.784 All uh veg uh fruit and vegetables are round . So it's better 1165.94 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1166.291 1166.833 1166.38 1166.71 Mm-hmm . 1166.71 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1167.152 1179.807 1167.17 1179.62 I think I think there needs to be a little I think it's too too sharp . The edges are too sharp . The bottom is fine of course if it's square . But maybe just th make uh the top a little round it off on the sides . So I mean y 1171.26 1172.05 1173.62 1178.29 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1172.192 1172.714 1172.21 1172.49 Yeah . 1172.49 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1178.969 1182.208 1178.99 1182.09 But I think , according to my information , this would be two curves . 1179.47 1180.94 1182.09 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1183.808 1185.202 1183.89 1185.03 That would be two curves . 1185.03 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1183.896 1184.311 1183.92 1184.17 Two ? 1184.17 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1184.002 1188.752 1184.14 1188.64 We have one left and one right , and that disables what was it again ? 1185.36 1188.64 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1189.558 1190.082 1189.63 1190.082 But it - TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1189.685 1192.048 1189.77 1192.0 It's some it's something that we cannot do then . 1192.0 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1192.416 1197.282 1192.52 1197.19 One cur you could also make the curve go through of course . But that would make make the top round . 1195.23 1197.19 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1195.824 1198.592 1195.84 1198.32 Well we've got we've got like one curve here . 1198.32 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1198.368 1202.294 1198.95 1202.02 Okay , that's not a problem . That's only for the titanium . We don't have . 1199.3 1200.0 1201.62 1202.02 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1199.839 1200.564 1199.86 1200.43 For the gap . 1200.43 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1201.88 1207.401 1201.93 1207.17 But it's that that's for the comfort . It's it's not for the trendy thing of it . 1203.7 1207.17 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1202.736 1204.112 1202.76 1204.08 And we could have one here . 1204.08 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1207.068 1214.944 1207.16 1214.46 No , no no no no . What I'm just 'cause you mentioned that more curves the more expensive , so I'm just taking that into account . 1207.43 1208.14 1212.53 1214.46 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1213.015 1214.561 1213.06 1214.43 Yeah ? Okay , yeah . 1213.68 1214.23 1214.43 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1213.61 1214.341 1213.61 1214.31 Yes . 1214.31 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1215.04 1220.919 1215.06 1220.76 But let's see , titanium would give us only one curve . So but we're not d we're not using titanium . 1215.73 1218.86 1220.76 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1217.887 1219.929 1217.97 1219.929 Then w yeah , but we don't have that . So we have 1218.65 1219.25 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1219.586 1221.184 1219.68 1221.05 So the no . 1221.05 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1221.104 1222.197 1221.12 1222.05 We have no . 1222.05 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1221.472 1222.784 1221.49 1222.72 Well we picked rubber , right ? 1222.31 1222.72 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1222.816 1224.537 1222.88 1224.537 Right , we did . So 1223.34 1224.03 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1224.889 1225.82 1224.96 1225.82 But they uh - TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1225.292 1226.037 1225.31 1225.91 We m - TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1225.45 1240.224 1225.52 1240.224 So basically what we can do is m make these edges a little bit less sharp . But the problem then is that it will start to resemble m the remote controls as we have them today . We were looking at something fresh , something trendy 1231.54 1237.59 1238.88 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1227.68 1229.485 1227.76 1229.35 Just doodle something on the board on the left . 1229.35 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1228.333 1229.109 1228.333 1229.06 form . 1229.06 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1240.486 1245.192 1240.55 1245.09 Well actually , we're setting ourselves apart from by technology alone actually . 1241.05 1245.09 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1246.192 1248.425 1246.21 1248.32 So that let's see what you're doing . 1248.32 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1249.521 1254.625 1249.61 1254.49 They th these wha are what they call the curves . This side , this side , this is how they count . 1252.33 1253.12 1253.56 1254.49 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1252.987 1257.676 1253.06 1257.64 Oh , okay . I don't think like that . Not not really the curves on the on the side of the remote . 1253.17 1253.78 1254.94 1257.64 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1253.647 1254.446 1253.73 1254.35 Okay . 1254.35 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1256.996 1261.795 1257.08 1261.41 No no . This is what they uh what they mean . Okay , that's not really a good . 1257.44 1259.63 1259.91 1261.41 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1259.584 1261.722 1259.63 1261.54 Okay , so that's basically silly . 1260.19 1261.54 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1260.736 1266.407 1260.79 1266.407 Okay , now I uh of course now I understand why they have more uh like um 1261.12 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1267.552 1268.336 1267.57 1268.3 Why the curves - TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1269.6 1276.869 1269.6 1276.77 um decrease the the um the size the electronics that can be inside . So Okay . 1274.55 1276.77 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1277.79 1280.752 1277.81 1280.72 I don't think the outside would be called as a curve really . 1280.72 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1281.968 1282.458 1281.99 1282.34 Yeah . 1282.34 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1282.416 1283.216 1282.44 1283.07 It's like this . 1283.07 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1283.456 1292.139 1283.48 1292.139 I think it's for all the basic well , looking from the side anyway . Well , if you see what I have to come up with some designs fast anyway . So 1285.27 1289.01 1289.16 1291.71 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1292.048 1296.39 1292.08 1296.39 But you can make uh if you want to use a fruit in uh in uh - TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1292.496 1292.869 1292.52 1292.69 Hmm . 1292.69 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1297.454 1299.183 1297.61 1299.183 Okay . 1298.54 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1298.736 1302.032 1298.76 1302.032 But isn't the f the fruit like a cover thing , because we 1301.41 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1298.976 1299.632 1299.1 1299.632 Uh - TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1302.03 1313.129 1302.14 1312.98 Well , you shouldn't focus on the mostly on the covers , because lot of things we came up with , shouldn't be too really too much shouldn't be too focussed on the covers because it's kind of an idea of our own , but we're not sure if we can actually make that . 1302.35 1304.24 1306.27 1311.0 1312.98 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1303.682 1304.306 1303.73 1304.306 Hey , you 1303.98 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1307.619 1308.709 1307.66 1308.709 You can make it like - TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1309.04 1309.408 1309.1 1309.34 Hmm . 1309.34 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1309.666 1310.373 1309.77 1310.373 No , but 1310.03 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1309.79 1310.871 1309.99 1310.6 Like this . 1310.6 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1311.636 1320.92 1311.71 1320.82 But if we put that directly into the design , we limit ourselves extremely . Because it that's just for one seasonal trend . 1315.06 1316.71 1320.82 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1318.294 1342.449 1318.294 1342.21 That's the one thing I'm also afraid of with this one because it the edges are really um they might stick out on the on the side for example . If you have a basic design , a little m a little smaller on the on the s on the edges , you could put more covers on it , y one one with square or um sharp corners if you want to . So M just round it off a little , I guess , because so we have more options I suppose . 1327.96 1329.15 1332.33 1333.89 1337.35 1339.4 1339.86 1342.21 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1319.596 1320.103 1319.67 1320.103 Well - TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1322.224 1322.597 1322.29 1322.5 Oh . 1322.5 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1324.352 1326.125 1324.41 1326.125 As a example . But 1325.85 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1324.759 1325.172 1324.85 1324.93 Hmm . 1324.93 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1328.179 1328.686 1328.27 1328.56 I d - TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1336.641 1338.553 1336.67 1338.52 Okay , so that's well , that's probabl 1337.15 1337.98 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1340.24 1340.624 1340.26 1340.58 Hmm . 1340.58 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1341.081 1344.128 1341.081 1344.09 , you'd just like it to go a little bit more like this . 1341.081 1344.09 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1344.656 1363.329 1344.7 1363.15 I think so because it looks leaner and we should just go with that . Anyway , you have all the time in the world to make to make the final design in a minute with him . So So we decided on what what did you guys wanna know again because this is um anyway , I'll fire up my thing . So so we come to a decision . 1348.67 1348.91 1352.38 1358.99 1359.9 1363.15 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1346.916 1347.632 1346.96 1347.58 Okay . 1347.58 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1348.59 1349.067 1348.68 1348.86 Hmm . 1348.86 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1361.984 1365.552 1362.13 1365.51 Did you present e everything you wanted to ? 1365.51 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1365.472 1370.185 1365.93 1370.04 Yep . So I can uh qui oh . I can quickly make a conclusion 1367.06 1368.96 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1366.544 1366.944 1366.56 1366.89 Okay . 1366.89 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1368.528 1370.026 1368.62 1370.026 Uh what the - TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1371.632 1373.28 1371.65 1373.24 of what we have decided so far . 1373.24 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1374.48 1378.992 1374.5 1378.95 Uh we still need to decide on a couple of things you you needed to know . 1378.95 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1377.35 1377.827 1377.42 1377.66 Ah . 1377.66 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1383.674 1384.164 1383.74 1384.06 Yeah . 1384.06 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1387.081 1404.651 1387.2 1404.41 Okay , anyway . Uh energy , we choose regular regular batteries . The chip is advanced because we have the advanced features . The case , it will be the material will be rubber , suppose . Wouldn't the b the design we talked about . Uh user interface , type . 1387.66 1388.81 1390.57 1394.12 1397.29 1397.87 1399.83 1400.34 1402.65 1404.03 1404.41 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1392.128 1392.592 1392.19 1392.56 Yeah . 1392.56 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1407.28 1427.409 1407.48 1427.409 Well I think we took all the components separately what we want . Um let's see um supplements . I'm not sure what they mean by that . Anyway , um apparently you guys , you should work together on the final design , both on internal and external design . So 1412.96 1416.1 1417.53 1419.03 1422.09 1423.61 1426.78 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1429.248 1450.659 1429.33 1450.659 Yeah , you should you should probably find out how the product will fall into the market , how uh what's gonna happen with the final design as we have it now . So Yeah , of course you've got your specific instruction as usual . So Wanna spend some more um I think we're in a pretty much in agreement actually , which is good . So 1429.51 1432.58 1436.71 1439.73 1442.23 1448.31 1449.71 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1433.104 1433.597 1433.17 1433.45 Yeah . 1433.45 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1437.456 1438.287 1437.52 1438.287 Yeah - TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1442.328 1442.635 1442.37 1442.55 Hmm . 1442.55 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1448.432 1448.789 1448.45 1448.61 Hmm . 1448.61 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1449.914 1459.925 1449.93 1459.8 Are we all in agreement about the , well , the primary structure of the of my design ? Except for the edges . Like the keys there . 1452.89 1453.1 1457.21 1458.64 1459.8 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1456.574 1458.846 1456.7 1458.67 Lef let's see , where the pen go ? Here . 1457.68 1458.44 1458.67 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1459.712 1465.84 1459.79 1465.76 Yeah uh open your thing again . Let's see what if you can come up with anything new . Um I'll just do a next one . 1460.96 1463.92 1465.76 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1467.76 1474.336 1467.78 1474.25 So what would give us your ne your design would be the lights would be on top , right ? Uh one on each one on each side . 1472.51 1472.84 1474.25 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1472.997 1473.413 1473.11 1473.27 Yeah . 1473.27 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1475.296 1477.456 1475.32 1477.456 To create a kind of disco effect when you - TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1478.752 1480.07 1478.77 1479.95 That was basically what w - TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1479.533 1484.772 1479.69 1484.772 Is it is it the lights for for finding the finding remote or lights that it that - TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1484.128 1488.56 1484.15 1488.52 Light for the finding of the remote . We can also use one light for 1486.02 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1489.632 1491.622 1489.65 1491.622 showing that the signal is being sent . But 1491.29 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1491.201 1503.68 1491.31 1503.68 Yeah , I think that should just be a simple LED or something . Like that that's not that important of course . It just like a matter of a a beep if you pre that you just know that that there's context . So I don't think that's super important . But 1491.44 1493.92 1496.2 1500.83 1503.08 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1505.2 1506.316 1505.23 1506.316 Hmm . 1506.23 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1508.657 1511.76 1508.7 1511.56 So we have the teletext we have here , we have the mute . 1510.48 1511.56 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1512.512 1514.218 1512.57 1514.08 Uh sh Oh . 1514.08 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1512.832 1515.825 1512.85 1515.7 L_C_D_ screen . This is the on off button . 1513.81 1515.7 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1517.04 1519.244 1517.06 1519.244 And speech w recognition . Are we 1518.64 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1518.681 1526.384 1518.75 1526.35 Speech recognition , I where did I imagine . I did that pretty much over here , so that you could use it like this 1519.87 1522.4 1524.52 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1519.957 1520.688 1520.22 1520.688 We - TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1523.336 1525.365 1523.39 1525.365 Little uh voice uh - TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1526.368 1528.196 1526.4 1528.02 Record and a uh no . 1528.02 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1527.758 1539.925 1527.78 1539.84 and speak to it . Then you have the uh extra keys for teletext , mute , two buttons which can be pretty much anything or nothing . We can also just not use them . 1529.17 1533.41 1533.93 1537.86 1539.84 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1540.304 1541.553 1540.33 1541.553 Let's see , I'll just make 1540.84 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1540.924 1542.896 1540.924 1542.7 Main controls and a key-pad . 1542.7 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1543.328 1543.713 1543.37 1543.6 Yeah . 1543.6 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1544.458 1545.456 1544.5 1545.37 One light here . 1545.37 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1547.232 1549.792 1547.25 1549.792 And just make it red now . But it could be any colour . So 1548.38 1549.5 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1549.824 1550.608 1549.85 1550.46 Will be fine . 1550.46 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1550.85 1560.958 1550.96 1560.86 Okay , whatever . Fine , anyway . What do we have here ? M I'll make it um are we gonna use square buttons or round ones actually ? 1551.48 1553.37 1553.7 1554.25 1555.48 1560.86 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1562.543 1564.208 1562.62 1564.16 Personally I would prefer round ones . 1564.16 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1564.64 1565.12 1564.66 1565.05 Me too . 1565.05 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1565.039 1573.936 1565.1 1573.9 Yeah , but that would this was just in the design . Because if you I had a square design . So I had square buttons . But in that case the round buttons would be more appropriate . 1565.34 1567.36 1569.2 1571.01 1573.9 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1565.469 1567.522 1565.57 1567.36 Form of fruit . It's better . 1566.68 1567.36 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1567.776 1568.094 1567.85 1568.0 Hmm . 1568.0 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1567.907 1568.481 1567.98 1568.481 Yeah , for 1568.24 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1570.116 1570.782 1570.19 1570.69 Okay . 1570.69 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1573.039 1576.913 1573.12 1576.81 Okay , I assume it for so we take a r take a round power button right here . 1573.46 1576.81 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1579.648 1582.864 1579.648 1582.63 Whatever . Uh back to black . 1581.5 1582.63 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1585.344 1586.649 1585.38 1586.52 Uh not too big though . 1586.52 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1589.244 1590.241 1589.39 1590.08 See this would be good . 1590.08 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1595.904 1597.264 1595.93 1597.23 Um let's see . 1597.23 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1599.312 1600.889 1599.33 1600.81 Are these for any extra controls ? 1600.81 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1601.088 1610.736 1601.11 1610.736 Yeah . The left one is teletext and the right one is mute . And these two buttons are or not necessary or 1601.86 1606.9 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1602.111 1602.801 1602.21 1602.69 Okay . 1602.69 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1608.771 1622.318 1608.94 1622.11 Okay . If we go for for round buttons in general , do we want to the menu key in the middle to be round ? For example , if you let's see , put it this here . I think we'll go with the triangles that Come on . 1610.8 1614.06 1616.4 1617.43 1618.32 1619.73 1622.11 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1624.592 1626.576 1624.61 1626.53 Yeah , the triangles would be best indeed . 1624.84 1626.53 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1626.544 1627.451 1626.56 1627.28 Triangles are good . 1627.28 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1629.888 1631.689 1629.95 1631.689 Yeah , they're a little too big now . But 1630.14 1631.06 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1635.855 1639.648 1636.16 1639.48 Anyway , okay . So do you want for example a 1636.77 1637.58 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1641.008 1643.744 1641.05 1643.7 round button in the middle or square one ? 1643.7 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1645.952 1650.464 1645.97 1650.464 I personally think that a round b button looks bit silly , but 1650.16 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1648.064 1648.549 1648.09 1648.37 Hmm . 1648.37 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1650.67 1652.849 1650.75 1652.75 I'm not sure uh , I just just came up with it . 1651.41 1652.75 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1650.745 1651.244 1650.81 1651.17 Yeah . 1651.17 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1653.776 1655.184 1653.8 1655.184 This aligns nicely . So 1654.86 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1657.622 1664.457 1657.73 1664.4 Okay . We'll just take the take the round button , suppose . Uh oh the square button , sorry . 1658.48 1661.68 1662.55 1664.07 1664.4 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1665.6 1666.928 1665.63 1666.77 Does everybody agree on that ? 1666.77 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1666.945 1667.386 1667.04 1667.28 Yep . 1667.28 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1667.362 1668.351 1667.41 1668.25 I suppose so . 1668.25 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1667.648 1670.288 1667.67 1670.19 I would prefer round . But doesn't matter , doesn't matter . 1668.51 1669.77 1670.19 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1668.96 1670.676 1668.98 1670.54 You prefer a round ? Okay . 1670.28 1670.54 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1672.592 1673.44 1672.61 1673.27 Okay . 1673.27 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1672.783 1674.363 1672.88 1674.23 That's not a big deal , think . 1674.03 1674.23 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1683.357 1688.937 1683.46 1688.86 So there's our numbers . Think we need an extra button here of course for yeah , like you had for the 1685.65 1687.79 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1690.608 1691.392 1690.63 1691.25 higher numbers . 1691.25 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1694.8 1697.718 1694.85 1697.66 And you could include a button here for the mute , I suppose . 1697.1 1697.66 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1698.896 1700.788 1698.92 1700.65 For something else , just to 1700.1 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1702.912 1705.875 1703.05 1705.64 Yeah , you can . But it but it's not necessary , becau 1703.35 1703.72 1705.29 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1702.975 1713.113 1703.1 1713.113 mirror mirror the effect with this . That's not necessary because it you can take this away , but there it looks like there's a hole there , just to mirror the effect . Okay , so we have a few 1705.32 1707.96 1709.68 1711.8 1712.09 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1712.223 1714.192 1712.32 1714.192 We could put our logo there . 1713.96 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1714.731 1718.647 1714.8 1718.52 Nah , I think it it would be nice to put the logo here , for example , if you have some buttons here . 1714.94 1716.65 1717.16 1718.52 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1721.663 1728.157 1721.74 1728.06 We could put a logo here because it's very always in your field of vision . If you're watching it , the L_C_D_ screen , blah blah . 1725.78 1726.57 1727.43 1728.06 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1724.368 1726.568 1724.39 1726.35 And what about Oh . 1726.35 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1728.816 1731.6 1728.84 1731.56 What about a button for your uh favourite channel ? 1731.56 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1732.496 1733.952 1732.52 1733.72 Oh that could be that b - TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1732.529 1734.908 1732.69 1734.8 Well we could we could include either here - TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1734.162 1736.8 1734.18 1736.8 Uh yeah . With the extra controls . Uh 1734.89 1736.54 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1736.012 1739.563 1736.17 1739.25 or here , for example . But you think here or here ? 1736.83 1738.35 1739.25 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1738.621 1742.72 1738.68 1742.72 Well now it's getting a little bit too crowded up there . So Is your 1741.04 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1738.673 1739.954 1738.69 1739.954 Uh one one set - TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1740.512 1741.186 1740.58 1741.0 I know . 1741.0 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1741.744 1743.44 1741.76 1743.44 Yeah , you have to put it up uh 1741.96 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1744.416 1748.798 1744.44 1748.798 So it can basically be the button down below or one of the four buttons up there . Because 1748.34 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1747.654 1749.84 1747.71 1749.75 No , we could put this one as favourite channel for exam 1747.81 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1748.861 1751.424 1748.95 1751.38 One of the four . Uh , it's better than , I think . 1749.56 1749.94 1750.97 1751.38 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1751.52 1752.952 1751.67 1752.78 What are these for ? Okay . 1752.4 1752.78 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1751.709 1755.008 1751.81 1754.96 One of the four is better , I suppose . 1754.24 1754.96 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1753.648 1754.808 1753.67 1754.75 It's a favourite channel . 1754.75 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1755.895 1756.195 1755.96 1756.1 What ? 1756.1 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1756.596 1758.976 1756.63 1758.976 What ? Nee , uh one of the four uh 1757.13 1757.54 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1759.52 1767.087 1759.64 1766.98 Because it's a little bit confusing to have twelve buttons down there , because you're only accustomed to eleven , I'd say . 1763.35 1766.46 1766.98 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1759.922 1760.57 1759.94 1760.42 It's better th - TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1768.673 1769.656 1768.74 1769.49 You're accustomed to eleven ? 1769.49 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1770.768 1788.254 1770.83 1788.11 My uh okay , have it your way . I mean , think this looks rather like like there's something missing for example . I mean why wouldn't you include a 'cause there is a um a piece of electronics under there anyway . So why not give it a function . Let's say I mean could be anything . But th 1771.61 1772.13 1773.81 1776.72 1783.34 1785.25 1787.73 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1774.458 1776.268 1774.53 1776.16 Oh , we still need an okay button . 1774.61 1776.16 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1783.544 1785.2 1783.63 1785.15 Hmm . Hmm . 1784.87 1785.15 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1787.456 1790.368 1787.48 1790.32 Well , you could also shift the two buttons to be nicely aligned . 1787.61 1790.32 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1790.484 1800.611 1790.59 1800.55 No , I don't think because this is a zero . But you want zero to be mis-aligned with the rest . Anyway , so this is the basic design , we wanna have um on and off what are we missing ? 1791.01 1792.48 1796.15 1796.67 1797.63 1800.55 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1793.184 1793.64 1793.2 1793.56 Yeah . 1793.56 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1802.756 1808.013 1802.84 1808.013 Oh , we're pretty much missing an okay button , but we have a button up there which is still free . So 1802.96 1804.69 1807.67 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1802.608 1804.648 1802.91 1804.648 If it looks um - TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1806.336 1812.608 1806.41 1812.608 Okay , so we want the remote to be the s the side view actually , what I'm gonna draw . So 1806.98 1810.63 1812.03 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1815.162 1816.16 1815.25 1816.09 Um - TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1818.194 1824.656 1818.31 1824.57 probably think you want the curve to be here . So have your finger under here like this , I suppose ? Okay . 1821.78 1823.54 1824.18 1824.57 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1823.424 1824.211 1823.44 1824.1 Yeah , pretty much . 1823.82 1824.1 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1826.768 1827.68 1826.79 1827.58 Just gonna be sh - TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1829.312 1829.633 1829.34 1829.51 Hmm . 1829.51 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1832.272 1835.689 1832.37 1835.62 Yeah . Want this straight or what ? Let's keep it at this . 1832.97 1834.73 1835.62 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1837.539 1838.745 1837.6 1838.65 So it would be like this . 1838.65 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1840.656 1844.192 1840.68 1844.11 Do we want something interesting with it or see . 1844.11 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1845.136 1850.56 1845.16 1850.56 Would give us a light here . Maybe it's boring . You want it curved or what ? Maybe you want 1847.84 1848.39 1849.82 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1851.168 1854.608 1851.19 1854.608 Well , I think it looks better curved . But that's probably uh 1851.33 1852.97 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1851.399 1852.463 1851.47 1852.13 Should like this ? 1852.13 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1854.928 1859.648 1855.03 1859.648 Will give us design problem because we have - TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1855.243 1856.05 1855.37 1855.76 Mm . 1855.76 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1855.459 1855.934 1855.61 1855.75 Huh . 1855.75 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1858.32 1859.17 1858.34 1859.1 It can be curved . 1859.1 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1858.644 1859.201 1858.71 1859.09 Why ? 1859.09 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1859.728 1864.672 1859.77 1864.62 It can be curved , because that yeah , it's a little bit more trendy to be curved . 1860.55 1861.82 1864.62 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1860.578 1861.052 1860.64 1860.93 Yes . 1860.93 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1863.136 1866.408 1863.2 1866.24 It can be curved . Okay ? I think so . That's why I asked you . 1864.09 1864.61 1865.59 1866.24 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1869.168 1870.23 1869.19 1870.23 Okay . So 1869.59 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1871.536 1873.104 1871.6 1873.04 I would curve the whole actually . 1873.04 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1874.512 1874.896 1874.57 1874.84 Hmm ? 1874.84 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1875.072 1879.6 1875.14 1879.4 I would curve the whole . Like um like it hangs over your hand a little bit . 1875.8 1879.4 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1879.584 1880.504 1879.6 1880.33 Oh crap . 1880.33 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1881.216 1881.642 1881.24 1881.55 Yeah . 1881.55 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1883.571 1885.833 1883.7 1885.74 Then it will bounce and you don't drop it so easily . 1885.74 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1885.68 1886.64 1885.7 1886.46 Yeah . Oh . 1886.33 1886.46 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1890.306 1894.921 1890.4 1894.84 Anyway , so you want to a little more like this ? 1890.71 1894.84 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1895.323 1896.529 1895.42 1896.49 Yeah , something like that , yes . 1895.63 1896.23 1896.49 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1896.032 1896.408 1896.05 1896.31 Uh-huh . 1896.31 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1896.384 1897.792 1896.4 1897.75 And just s s - TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1900.368 1901.088 1900.4 1901.03 Yes , exactly . 1900.69 1901.03 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1901.296 1903.697 1901.32 1903.697 Stop the curve here or continue it - TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1903.072 1905.584 1903.45 1905.54 I think continue like that . 1905.54 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1906.864 1907.143 1906.88 1907.07 Yep . 1907.07 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1907.424 1909.44 1907.45 1909.39 Then there's also enough room for the electronics . 1909.39 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1907.696 1909.984 1907.72 1909.94 So we have our L_C_D_ screen . Let's see . 1909.34 1909.94 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1911.008 1915.088 1911.03 1915.088 But it pretty much looks like a banana already . Uh 1913.0 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1910.953 1911.552 1911.04 1911.552 In - TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1912.935 1913.6 1912.97 1913.6 Yeah . 1913.53 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1913.399 1914.014 1913.5 1914.014 Yeah . 1913.89 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1915.043 1916.291 1915.06 1916.291 Let's make it yellow then . Uh 1915.91 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1915.278 1916.6 1915.3 1916.6 Perfect . 1916.49 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1915.284 1916.988 1915.45 1916.89 Bana it's banana vision . 1916.89 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1916.592 1918.243 1916.61 1918.02 It's fruit . Yeah . 1917.9 1918.02 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1917.748 1919.056 1917.81 1918.97 Yeah , it's perfect . 1918.35 1918.97 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1919.984 1923.808 1920.0 1923.64 So you have your L_C_D_ screen right here , suppose . 1923.17 1923.64 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1929.376 1932.208 1929.376 1932.208 Um that would make - TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1933.492 1934.816 1933.62 1934.816 We use the colours now . But 1934.57 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1936.272 1937.072 1936.42 1937.072 Um - TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1939.136 1942.476 1939.16 1942.43 Maybe once we can make a special edition in according with Chiquita . 1942.43 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1943.291 1944.688 1943.53 1944.41 Have ourselves sponsored . 1944.41 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1944.6 1947.312 1944.66 1947.27 You got sponsor , now you get a free one with every pack of Chiquita . 1945.21 1947.27 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1947.232 1950.416 1947.36 1950.38 Uh but it's a good trade-off for them if they can have their logo on it . 1950.38 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1952.24 1953.802 1952.26 1953.67 So it would give the buttons here . 1953.67 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1953.188 1954.72 1953.24 1954.68 Or they can design their own cover . 1954.68 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1955.04 1957.486 1955.08 1957.486 Mm-hmm . They might wanna be the first ones to uh 1955.43 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1955.578 1959.313 1955.66 1959.25 We could set up a a marketing uh agreement . 1959.25 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1955.685 1960.857 1955.84 1960.73 I suppose I suppose we can put um let's see . 1960.73 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1957.866 1958.489 1957.94 1958.41 Yeah . 1958.41 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1961.904 1962.979 1962.1 1962.979 Um - TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1962.274 1963.664 1962.38 1963.55 Oh , perhaps they can use it . 1962.62 1963.55 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1964.816 1967.622 1964.84 1967.622 Or give a special edition uh with with - TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1966.128 1971.298 1966.62 1971.15 Uh I suppose we can put the batteries in here because it has the most space , for example . 1970.59 1971.15 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1972.551 1974.848 1972.61 1974.76 Won't that be a problem with the L_C_D_ screen ? 1974.76 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1975.013 1978.313 1975.04 1978.313 I don't think so because it's the biggest part of the uh of the uh - TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1976.96 1977.369 1976.98 1977.26 Mm . 1977.26 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1978.272 1981.456 1978.29 1981.31 Yeah , but the L_C_D_ screen probably needs quite the chip . 1978.52 1981.31 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1980.663 1981.072 1980.69 1981.072 Let's - TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1982.4 1983.6 1982.73 1983.56 I think this is possible . 1983.56 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1983.76 1987.337 1983.81 1987.337 I think it's possible . I think it's the best place yeah , you could also put 'em here . But 1984.58 1985.63 1986.47 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1984.393 1985.191 1984.393 1984.96 Okay . 1984.96 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1985.785 1986.286 1985.96 1986.12 Huh . 1986.12 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 1987.424 1993.12 1987.69 1992.74 It doesn't matter . You can actually uh place a chip for the L_C_D_ screen and at the bottom , and and wire it . Doesn't matter . 1988.16 1991.41 1992.26 1992.74 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 1992.295 1995.929 1992.44 1995.929 Okay , so we put the batteries here . 1993.53 1995.84 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 1992.375 1994.204 1992.53 1994.14 Okay , that's not a problem . Okay . 1992.85 1993.69 1994.14 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 1993.187 1993.927 1993.34 1993.73 Okay . 1993.73 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2001.344 2002.018 2001.4 2001.95 That's fine . 2001.95 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2003.107 2004.795 2003.18 2004.67 Yep . Blah . 2004.33 2004.67 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 2005.776 2006.895 2005.8 2006.73 I think we get the idea . 2006.73 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2008.098 2014.983 2008.17 2014.94 Um , any other com what what are we missing here ? Something a speech recognition . Um 2009.85 2011.47 2014.07 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2016.458 2021.407 2016.54 2021.22 where do we want the microphone , for example , to be ? On the side or on the or , for example , on top ? Like here . 2017.53 2017.91 2018.27 2019.83 2020.27 2020.76 2021.22 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2018.683 2019.259 2018.76 2019.04 Top ? 2019.04 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 2019.776 2028.864 2019.8 2028.69 Oh , basically the idea that I had was it to be pretty much in combination with the transmitter . 'Cause you can talk to it like this . 2020.48 2026.61 2028.69 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2019.86 2020.099 2019.88 2019.94 W - TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2020.323 2020.905 2020.38 2020.85 On there . 2020.85 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2023.04 2023.927 2023.06 2023.87 I think on top . 2023.87 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2024.825 2025.373 2024.87 2025.373 To be - TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2030.126 2036.464 2030.18 2036.464 Okay , I w thought maybe it's either be here or because it's mi it might interfere with the transmitter , I'm not sure . But 2030.59 2034.73 2035.95 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2030.584 2031.108 2030.74 2031.0 No . 2031.0 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2038.032 2039.84 2038.05 2039.72 'Cause transmitter would be here . 2039.72 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 2039.241 2044.498 2039.3 2044.41 Well , the email said it was a quite a small component . So I don't see that . 2039.7 2042.82 2044.41 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2043.098 2050.688 2043.19 2050.688 Why uh once again , like you said , the component can be somewhere at the bottom while we wire the microphone up there . Anyway . 2044.13 2044.45 2049.23 2050.46 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2052.594 2056.473 2052.78 2056.35 Um yeah , it could be either be here or make a double microphone . 2054.07 2056.35 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2057.424 2057.809 2057.46 2057.69 Mm-hmm . 2057.69 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2058.272 2059.072 2058.34 2058.93 I wouldn't mind . 2058.93 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2058.813 2059.28 2058.813 2059.28 . 2059.28 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2059.524 2061.904 2059.59 2061.83 It is , I believe , also able to talk . 2060.23 2060.62 2061.83 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2062.159 2063.68 2062.22 2063.56 It's able to talk to you . 2063.56 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 2063.612 2064.447 2063.67 2064.447 It's a - TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2063.659 2067.426 2063.72 2067.22 I have a sample uh sample sensor and the speaker sensor . 2067.22 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2068.556 2069.645 2068.63 2069.51 A speaker sensor . 2069.51 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2069.552 2077.696 2069.61 2077.66 Uh the speaker sensor we already have , but s I don't know what they exactly mean by a sample sensor . Could it talk back ? Like uh g uh give confirmation or something . 2070.95 2074.21 2075.94 2077.66 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2079.04 2086.256 2079.06 2086.21 I think it can . I think if you have a a speech recognition component , then a s speaking component is not that hard to to put in either . 2079.92 2082.9 2086.21 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 2081.376 2082.11 2081.4 2082.11 Well , the 2081.64 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2082.91 2084.423 2082.96 2084.3 I think so , it I think it could . 2083.5 2084.3 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2086.317 2112.866 2086.46 2112.7 Yeah . I mean it could be a all this stuff could be integrated into the L_C_D_ screen , which you could navigate with this , I suppose . Navigate through everything . If you have I think you sh I think the advanced options should be I think it sh the advanced option could also be integrated in the L_C_D_ screen , of course , because you don't have to have a button for everything . You can just navigate through th m your menu that you have here for advanced options with this . Think that would be fine . So that's w m would be making use of the L_C_D_ screen . 2087.32 2090.28 2091.5 2092.51 2094.56 2100.76 2101.1 2103.51 2108.53 2110.17 2112.7 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2086.619 2087.084 2086.72 2086.94 Mm-hmm . 2086.94 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2090.207 2090.506 2090.28 2090.46 Hmm . 2090.46 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2092.527 2092.943 2092.61 2092.9 Hmm . 2092.9 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2093.952 2095.436 2093.97 2095.436 Hmm . But 2095.15 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 2094.593 2097.511 2094.63 2097.46 Yeah , but do you actually need the remote talking back ? 2094.82 2097.46 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2097.408 2098.612 2097.44 2098.51 Mm-hmm . Yeah . 2098.32 2098.51 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2104.218 2104.742 2104.29 2104.46 Hmm . 2104.46 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2107.012 2107.436 2107.07 2107.34 Hmm . 2107.34 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2108.432 2108.928 2108.432 2108.928 . 2108.928 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2108.957 2109.296 2109.03 2109.24 Mm . 2109.24 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2113.056 2113.337 2113.08 2113.25 Hmm . 2113.25 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2114.464 2115.457 2114.49 2115.33 Mm . 2115.33 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2115.846 2118.384 2116.0 2118.31 We already have a sound component , by the way , for the beep . 2117.4 2117.81 2118.31 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2119.632 2121.072 2119.65 2121.04 So beep . 2121.04 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2119.949 2120.381 2120.04 2120.32 Beep . 2120.32 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 2121.216 2121.623 2121.24 2121.55 Beep . 2121.55 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2121.243 2121.817 2121.34 2121.65 Beep . 2121.65 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2122.691 2132.703 2122.77 2132.6 Um , so the flashing of the beep , we have well anything . We could Yeah , but you could put a speaker or something on on the side for example . 2124.18 2125.24 2126.13 2128.37 2132.6 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 2130.776 2133.787 2131.11 2133.66 At the back , yeah . Like that . Or at the side . 2131.9 2132.29 2132.72 2133.66 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2132.152 2132.751 2132.27 2132.62 Hmm . 2132.62 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2135.008 2137.115 2135.1 2137.115 For how do you draw that again ? 2137.03 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 2135.185 2136.017 2135.22 2135.89 Which is . 2135.89 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2140.096 2141.664 2140.12 2141.57 Uh whatever , looks stupid . 2141.06 2141.57 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 2144.176 2151.104 2144.2 2151.104 So what's basically edi the editi idea , sorry , now ? We need to stay here and work out that . 2147.24 2147.72 2148.39 2150.94 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2148.268 2149.756 2148.38 2149.756 I think this is pretty - TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2150.856 2154.572 2151.02 2154.31 I'm not sure . I should be getting new information , I guess . 2152.43 2153.99 2154.31 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2152.028 2172.445 2152.028 2172.34 I think you have to stay here because we are supposed to five minutes to finish the meeting . Oh , like my the info that I got was that you're uh we're gonna work on our own because you're gonna do the market market uh analysing I'm supposed to do the little work on the year-end report . So the project report . 2157.52 2157.74 2170.76 2172.34 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2152.016 2152.55 2152.04 2152.47 Oh . 2152.47 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2164.893 2165.442 2164.97 2165.34 Yep . 2165.34 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2174.496 2175.109 2174.54 2174.91 Okay . 2174.91 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2174.678 2194.115 2174.8 2193.94 Hmm . Okay , I think we're everybody satisfied with the with the current design we have ? So we're s supposed to be rubber . I think well , I think the the remote control is gonna be black because we we forgot to talk about I mean the the company colours are important apparently . So we have the logo up there . So are we gonna base colour is black ? 2175.9 2176.26 2179.99 2181.93 2182.87 2190.39 2192.26 2193.94 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 2176.211 2177.442 2176.26 2177.442 Well , I suppose we'll 2176.46 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2179.472 2179.92 2179.49 2179.89 Yes . 2179.89 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2180.464 2181.469 2180.65 2181.3 Ah , that's fine . 2180.88 2181.3 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 2181.524 2182.397 2181.66 2182.31 Pretty much . 2182.31 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2183.135 2183.775 2183.19 2183.58 Round . 2183.58 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2186.457 2186.785 2186.59 2186.72 Wh - TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2187.069 2187.642 2187.12 2187.54 Why ? 2187.54 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2190.46 2191.267 2190.61 2191.13 But we have - TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2192.096 2195.472 2192.12 2195.43 any company logo . We have yes , but and yellow . 2193.08 2194.45 2195.43 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2196.112 2199.296 2196.13 2199.26 And yeah , of course we could use yellow buttons or yellow navigation or whatever . 2196.44 2199.26 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2199.102 2204.482 2199.18 2204.25 I would change . I would take a yellow remote control . To have it flashy , to have it it's for young people . 2200.02 2202.2 2203.01 2204.25 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2200.912 2202.497 2200.93 2202.497 Yellow but yellow control . It's 2202.12 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 2203.984 2211.136 2204.04 2210.95 Yeah , but when you use covers , it basically easier to have a n have a neutral colour on the base . 2204.34 2206.09 2210.95 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2204.502 2205.093 2204.53 2204.83 Okay . 2204.83 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2205.616 2206.354 2205.64 2206.27 Need do be different . 2206.27 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2206.464 2207.389 2206.51 2207.389 It's the colour of a - TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2206.85 2209.288 2207.07 2209.1 Well , don't don't stick yourself on the covers right now . 2207.26 2209.1 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2211.712 2213.84 2211.76 2213.84 But don't stick yourself on the cover because - TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2213.904 2214.144 2213.92 2214.1 Hmm . 2214.1 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 2214.24 2223.44 2214.44 2223.44 No , we're designing the remote control now , but taking that into consideration , it's better to have a neutral base colour than to have a flashy 2214.56 2216.03 2218.42 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2216.624 2217.84 2216.624 2217.75 But we need to be different . 2217.75 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2219.131 2219.608 2219.19 2219.43 Nah . 2219.43 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2223.456 2231.091 2223.54 2231.0 Yeah , but the info . I think we should go with uh with the company colour because what specific info that I got from the project board . So I think we should go with that . 2223.83 2224.47 2229.22 2231.0 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2224.498 2225.545 2224.64 2225.41 But , the you 2225.1 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2227.752 2228.295 2227.97 2228.22 Mm-hmm . 2228.22 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2229.936 2235.405 2229.96 2235.405 The young people want uh a trendy uh remote control . So colourful uh is 2233.2 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2232.301 2233.39 2232.33 2233.29 They want something trendy . 2233.29 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2233.244 2233.583 2233.27 2233.48 Huh . 2233.48 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2234.096 2239.872 2234.12 2239.84 It's either black cover with yellow buttons or vice versa . And I would say take a yellow cover and black buttons . 2237.86 2239.84 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 2239.84 2242.411 2239.86 2242.2 It is more trendy . That's definitely true . 2240.94 2242.2 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2240.886 2247.838 2240.96 2247.63 I think we should th then take it take yellow . Take what you c yellow remote control . So let's see if if we can do the LED onto it . 2243.03 2245.18 2247.63 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2241.088 2241.989 2241.11 2241.72 To be different . 2241.72 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2241.743 2242.25 2241.86 2242.08 Yeah . 2242.08 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2251.92 2254.745 2251.94 2254.69 You have the basic colours , blue , green , red . 2253.12 2253.74 2254.41 2254.69 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2253.242 2254.281 2253.29 2254.17 Uh oh . 2254.17 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2254.896 2256.632 2255.0 2256.51 Yeah , we have so many colours already . 2255.32 2256.51 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2256.796 2257.067 2256.82 2257.067 So - TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2256.867 2259.62 2256.93 2259.52 You know what ? I'm not gonna do this . That's up to you guys . 2257.5 2258.77 2259.52 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2257.113 2257.995 2257.19 2257.91 Oh , it's okay . 2257.37 2257.91 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2258.32 2261.066 2258.35 2261.066 Oh no , that I think it's good thing to be different than 2258.74 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2260.8 2262.95 2260.82 2262.95 Yeah . Colourful , you you 2261.78 2262.33 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2261.554 2268.64 2261.69 2267.93 You doodle a doodle us a nice nice design for for the next meeting , we'll be done . I think we're all happy now . 2264.94 2266.38 2267.93 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2262.965 2263.236 2263.0 2263.236 Well - TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2264.491 2264.931 2264.69 2264.9 Mm-hmm . 2264.9 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2266.524 2266.973 2266.57 2266.9 Yep . 2266.9 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2269.82 2275.748 2269.88 2275.59 I still don't have my scroll-wheel though . Uh that's Nah , that's true . 2272.57 2275.08 2275.59 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2270.064 2270.471 2270.12 2270.28 Yeah . 2270.28 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2270.425 2270.791 2270.49 2270.74 Yeah . 2270.74 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2272.384 2273.789 2272.4 2273.54 Stupid scroll-wheel . 2273.54 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 2272.594 2274.897 2272.68 2274.897 Oh , where would you like to put it ? 2272.85 2274.23 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2273.119 2274.899 2273.24 2274.899 Yeah . 2274.43 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2276.78 2277.087 2276.84 2277.0 'Kay - TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2277.904 2281.954 2277.97 2281.86 I'm not sure uh I really , I'm no I have no clue what we could use the scroll-wheel for . 2279.42 2281.86 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 2281.938 2288.01 2282.03 2287.8 Uh you could use it for the channels and for the volume . But it's has no real added value . 2284.42 2287.8 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2282.514 2283.486 2282.66 2283.42 No , forget it . 2283.01 2283.42 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2283.127 2283.901 2283.4 2283.78 Oh yeah . 2283.78 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2284.483 2285.512 2284.6 2285.512 No look , it 2285.05 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2284.918 2285.55 2285.04 2285.55 You can - TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2285.394 2288.648 2285.57 2288.648 It takes space , a lot of space . And it could 2286.36 2287.93 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2287.632 2296.262 2287.86 2296.05 No , that's not my point . It's not because it's functional , but it's just to add to the design , to have it flashy . It it has no function , I agree . I agree . 2287.96 2288.75 2290.31 2292.54 2293.6 2294.64 2295.64 2296.05 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2293.456 2294.164 2293.53 2293.86 Ah may - TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 2293.657 2296.336 2293.83 2296.336 Yeah , but if it has no function , then 2293.96 2295.79 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2295.376 2301.468 2295.45 2301.33 I'm not sure if it if it has no function , why even put it there ? And th that's just so much things that make it look flash 2297.03 2298.8 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2298.576 2301.303 2298.61 2300.87 Oh , so many things have no function , just design . 2298.78 2300.22 2300.87 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2299.034 2303.209 2299.24 2303.209 But uh uh scroll for a channel s selection or volume - TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2302.569 2303.958 2302.69 2303.78 Mm-hmm . Hmm . 2303.53 2303.78 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2303.571 2307.513 2303.66 2307.513 I think channel selection would be annoying because it just c you could scroll past the channel or - TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2304.8 2305.274 2304.98 2305.11 Ma - TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2306.773 2307.349 2306.92 2307.17 Mm-hmm . 2307.17 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2307.456 2312.0 2307.86 2311.92 Let's vote on it . Then we don't have to talk about it any longer . What do you want ? In or out ? 2308.38 2310.13 2311.47 2311.92 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2307.885 2308.667 2308.01 2308.48 Oh okay . 2308.48 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2308.491 2308.902 2308.51 2308.59 Hmm . 2308.59 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2309.696 2310.404 2309.72 2310.18 Oh okay . 2310.18 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 2312.192 2314.704 2312.192 2314.704 Basically out . I don't see the 2313.94 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2313.932 2318.114 2313.98 2317.99 Okay . You are out of course . You are okay , clear . 2314.72 2316.01 2317.65 2317.99 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2315.504 2316.296 2315.504 2316.296 . 2316.296 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2315.969 2316.493 2316.01 2316.35 Out . 2316.35 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2317.85 2326.845 2317.95 2326.845 No r no scroll-wheel . Okay . Um I don't see anything missing really . Yeah , we should too bad we don't have the finance . We could've 2319.14 2320.85 2324.87 2324.99 2326.32 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 2324.896 2328.613 2324.896 2328.55 Do you have all your answers ? Okay . 2328.18 2328.55 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2326.976 2328.352 2327.18 2328.28 I have all my answers , yes . 2328.05 2328.28 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2328.285 2344.551 2328.38 2344.46 Yeah , it's I'm not sure if we're if we're gonna get finance anyway because I thought we cou I thought it was gonna be an issue at the first time we started . I thought it was gonna be a cost issue which material we were gonna take relative to the advanced chips or anything . So you just do whatever you like and uh doesn't care what it costs . 2328.55 2335.48 2341.26 2344.46 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2333.185 2334.865 2333.24 2334.78 I have to call this in a form . 2334.78 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2334.487 2334.861 2334.54 2334.77 Hmm . 2334.77 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2335.747 2336.086 2335.82 2335.96 Hmm . 2335.96 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2337.648 2340.7 2337.67 2340.43 Hmm . There is I have one question . 2339.19 2340.43 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2342.053 2342.392 2342.12 2342.24 Hmm . 2342.24 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2342.731 2343.07 2342.78 2342.97 Hmm . 2342.97 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2343.28 2347.776 2343.33 2347.72 I only have one question with the material , but I don't have information that . We've chosen rubber . 2345.48 2346.77 2347.72 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2346.64 2349.552 2346.82 2349.41 I think we're rubber is not expensive . Definitely . 2348.9 2349.41 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2348.768 2351.008 2348.79 2350.95 No , but can we make yellow rubber ? I think so 2348.95 2350.49 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2351.008 2357.641 2351.1 2357.56 You can make rubber in any colour . In any colour . So I mean you can't make yellow titanium , but you can make yellow rubber . 2353.08 2353.81 2355.87 2357.56 TS3012c B MTD047UID 1 2351.43 2354.182 2351.52 2354.08 Yes , you can colour rubber , yeah . 2351.87 2353.84 2354.08 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2351.642 2352.387 2351.82 2352.27 Ah . 2352.27 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2352.976 2353.588 2353.13 2353.33 Okay . 2353.33 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2356.352 2362.939 2356.37 2362.7 But we ha w we don't uh use our reco uh we uh removable cover ? No , huh ? 2362.3 2362.54 2362.7 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2356.866 2357.239 2356.98 2357.05 Mm . 2357.05 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2357.757 2358.3 2357.87 2358.25 Okay . 2358.25 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2361.968 2373.047 2362.06 2372.95 Uh yeah we can make uh for example it's just something you can click on it like uh that's but it's not som not apparently that's not something we're working with in the basic design . So . 2372.86 2372.95 TS3012c D MTD048ME 3 2372.016 2374.785 2372.08 2374.785 Maybe maybe later , maybe we can uh 2373.4 TS3012c C MTD046ID 2 2373.791 2374.198 2373.85 2374.15 Hmm . 2374.15 TS3012c A MTD045PM 0 2374.096 2376.464 2374.12 2376.43 Yeah , it could be . It can be done , for e 2374.32 2375.39 2376.19 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 12.37 13.193 12.46 13.15 Can I close this ? 13.15 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 12.456 15.424 12.5 15.36 Uh we don't have any changes , do we ? So no . 14.35 14.9 15.36 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 14.923 16.082 15.07 15.92 Oh , okay . 15.68 15.92 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 26.168 27.495 26.31 27.38 There we go . 27.38 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 30.344 34.508 30.38 34.4 Okay , here we are again . Detailed design oh , come on . 30.63 32.26 33.9 34.4 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 37.506 45.462 37.64 45.462 Well Ah s Forgot to insert the minutes , but it's about the same thing we discussed before . Uh 41.32 45.04 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 46.888 48.936 46.96 48.9 Could open that anyway , think . 48.55 48.9 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 59.977 99.368 60.06 99.3 Other design anyway , we took as we took w we took rubber as as the material last time . We also that you're just busy with it . Took the advanced chip to t uh implement the advanced features . Well , we discussed the design , no sharp corners , we rounded it off , like you see on the other screen , which is fine . Um we agreed that the colour should be b uh yellow and black . Yellow in the back because it's m trendy , more trendy than black anyway . So then we ca yeah . We agreed that we would implement both the L_C_D_ and speech recognition , but I'll get to that in a moment . 'Cause some changes in the finances have 61.81 66.7 68.72 72.65 72.82 74.42 75.13 75.91 77.64 79.28 83.53 86.59 88.33 91.84 95.52 97.54 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 100.376 106.6 100.4 106.53 left us implications anyway . So so , like I said , we had no insight in finances , no prices , but we have 'em now , 101.7 103.51 103.84 105.09 105.65 106.53 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 103.374 103.736 103.44 103.58 Hmm . 103.58 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 107.816 111.416 107.88 111.38 and it's bad . Anyway . 110.86 111.38 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 112.6 113.192 112.63 113.1 We are - TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 114.664 126.792 114.69 126.67 Oh . Prototype presentation , well first you guys built the prototype . So you could could present that . But um let's see what be handy to do . 115.73 116.66 119.12 123.94 126.67 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 128.424 131.972 128.5 131.972 Nee no , you just go ahead and present the w we'll scrap it later because 129.23 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 133.016 135.158 133.23 134.95 I think it's more or less the same as we had . 134.95 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 134.693 135.055 134.8 135.02 What ? 135.02 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 135.0 138.804 135.05 138.67 It's basically what we agreed upon , but just a little bit more specified . 136.81 138.67 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 135.317 135.679 135.38 135.54 Hmm ? 135.54 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 136.518 137.482 136.54 137.43 Oh that's - TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 137.48 138.287 137.57 138.08 No much s - TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 138.232 143.88 138.25 143.88 hasn't changed that much , huh ? I didn't expect anyway . You just coloured it . 139.21 140.2 141.69 143.42 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 139.368 140.642 139.4 140.41 No no no , not at all . 140.02 140.41 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 144.12 144.968 144.17 144.93 Uh s - TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 147.224 148.296 147.24 148.23 Final design . 148.23 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 158.36 184.218 158.36 184.218 Basically in what we discussed , cover and buttons will be made of rubber , yellow colour , black components , as you can see right over here . We chose a different type of colour for the menu . A bit darker yellow so that it com really shows in this keypad . If you put them all black , it's not really that good a contrast . So 162.1 163.99 164.66 165.57 167.77 171.71 179.2 181.23 183.7 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 166.648 168.658 166.67 168.5 Mm-hmm . I like the menu . 167.79 168.5 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 178.536 178.872 178.57 178.84 Mm-hmm . 178.84 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 184.056 194.283 184.08 194.283 And I suppose the the the yellow is not printed on the on the rubber . It's it's part of the rubber , I suppose . I think that's more I think that's more durable anyway than printed on to 187.59 189.23 190.78 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 189.768 192.343 189.94 192.18 Probab Yeah . That's the be 191.36 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 193.29 193.784 193.34 193.69 Hmm . 193.69 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 194.264 199.32 194.3 199.32 And it I guess it's more easier to just paint it on the rubber than to uh - TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 197.128 197.688 197.16 197.65 Yeah , of course . 197.34 197.65 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 199.48 200.278 199.58 199.97 Mm yeah . 199.97 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 199.628 201.688 199.66 201.55 That's uh the integration story again . 201.55 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 202.607 203.184 202.68 203.07 Okay . 203.07 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 203.112 209.8 203.64 209.8 So we have it's a bit round shaped , that's what we had uh 206.39 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 204.202 205.052 204.202 204.91 Oh yeah . 204.91 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 211.4 225.447 211.79 225.3 We chose the buttons to be uh teletext , okay button , favourite channel and the mute . So that's basically what we chose there . If you have anything to add , please interrupt me . 215.85 217.48 220.52 223.51 224.53 225.3 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 219.816 220.216 219.85 220.16 Mm-hmm . 220.16 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 222.888 223.576 222.91 223.45 Okay . 223.45 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 224.939 227.912 225.03 227.912 No , uh this is just a description of what we see there . So 225.16 227.59 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 227.832 228.248 227.85 228.14 Yeah . 228.14 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 228.56 229.778 228.56 229.66 Oh . 229.66 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 228.504 228.883 228.58 228.81 Yeah . 228.81 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 228.949 229.922 229.05 229.82 Speaks for itself . 229.82 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 232.701 233.656 232.79 233.58 That's pretty much it . 233.58 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 235.296 294.351 235.296 294.26 Okay . Now it's my time to ruin everything . Well , not ruin everything , but no , nah . Finances , that's what we have here , what you drew . We have battery power , we have advanced chips and the sam the sensor . The sample sensor and uh for speak recognition anyway . So which you see the which is de o one of the most expensive parts . So well , we have sin one curve , a design . Rubber design . And we had a special colour . Suppose yellow is a special colour . So just half a Euro for You have pushbuttons and an L_C_D_ display . You have the total of seventeen Euros in production cost , which is higher than the twelve and a half that we are permitted to use . So , easy . What do we scrap . Well think I had the best solution that I came up with is just to s take out the speech recognition . 237.47 240.18 240.65 241.43 242.86 244.6 245.44 246.86 248.92 250.47 253.99 257.81 262.09 263.46 266.57 267.69 268.92 270.31 272.98 279.29 282.98 286.68 287.56 287.83 289.89 294.26 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 241.688 244.216 241.72 244.216 Oh sorry . 243.65 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 281.127 281.489 281.19 281.35 Hmm . 281.35 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 286.632 287.134 286.7 287.03 Hmm . 287.03 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 289.867 290.287 289.99 290.13 I d - TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 294.48 295.114 294.57 294.94 Yeah . 294.94 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 294.647 296.056 294.68 295.99 I'd say that too . 295.99 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 295.313 309.077 295.46 309.077 Because the L_C_D_ has more support on customer side . There are ninety one percent of uh the people , or something like that . But ninety percent who favour an L_C_D_ display , and only sixty percent that favour speech recognition . I think it's also harder to 298.94 300.67 301.52 304.0 306.61 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 297.895 298.331 298.0 298.19 Hmm . 298.19 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 307.303 315.313 307.33 315.313 Uh we don't really have a extra function with the speech sample , which you can't do with a normal remote control , which people already do . So 311.34 313.52 314.87 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 308.195 308.845 308.28 308.62 Yeah . 308.62 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 312.8 313.385 312.82 313.2 Hmm . 313.2 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 313.656 325.984 313.656 325.92 . So I ju I took that out . So and so it's still stuck with thirteen , so I had to take out the special colour I suppose . And , yeah , I didn't see anything else I could take out . 314.95 317.77 319.96 322.94 323.62 324.08 325.92 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 327.08 356.432 327.38 356.27 Yeah , I could take out the push-buttons , but we need those . So , generally what I came up with , in order to be cou to to have production cost of twelve and a half Euros , spe scrap speech recognition and the separate covers can account for the if people want it , we'll just then we'll do it in black . We'll just deliver it in black , have the it has all the function that it's supposed to have , and if you want it if you want the custom design , then you can buy the separate covers . You make it d orange or whatever you want . 327.51 328.69 330.18 331.73 334.36 338.99 344.61 347.3 348.67 350.85 353.42 354.65 356.27 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 327.427 328.093 327.47 327.96 Pushbut - TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 329.752 331.156 329.78 331.156 Huh . 330.71 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 331.176 332.355 331.22 332.08 Special colour , yeah . 331.93 332.08 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 354.582 366.738 354.65 366.59 Well , I'd I tend to disagree with you on that , because the trend issue was a big issue when we started designing this . So can't we just basically extend it to thirteen ? 354.97 357.55 361.69 366.59 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 360.092 361.615 360.29 361.615 It was a big issue , but 361.34 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 363.592 373.864 363.96 373.54 I'll just go back . Uh let's just let's see what okay , let's just see what we no , we we have to be under twelve and a half . It it's not uh the project is a no-go if we go over twelve and a half , so . 364.71 367.09 368.17 369.95 373.03 373.54 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 368.995 369.547 369.07 369.547 Yeah , it 369.28 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 369.987 370.584 370.06 370.48 The p - TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 370.984 372.253 371.0 372.09 Okay , but there's another problem . 371.2 372.09 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 371.341 372.296 371.66 372.0 And the p - TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 372.829 373.521 372.87 373.44 Okay . 373.44 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 373.708 381.106 373.78 381.0 But there's another problem . If we take another cover , for instance black , then we also need another button frame , 'cause black and black doesn't work obviously . 374.87 376.06 377.07 379.43 381.0 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 374.173 374.618 374.24 374.618 What - TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 380.744 391.862 380.86 391.79 I think you that's what you were ass assigned to do really , to to see how b th both those work together . So I think yeah , it's I think it's y one of the it's a good way to um 383.85 387.14 387.86 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 383.932 384.262 383.99 384.16 Huh . 384.16 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 385.87 386.808 385.95 386.73 Huh . Yeah . 386.52 386.73 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 392.953 419.873 393.01 419.8 to help people uh to make to keep the product trendy too . Just keep you just make new covers for the for it , like we agreed before . And everything that's left is is the basic function that uh that we want our product to have . Because the expensive parts are in either the advanced chip . But we need that for the L_C_D_ display . Then again , we have the L_C_D_ display , which is also expensive . B yeah , but those go together . And yeah , we could take out the curve . 396.72 399.03 401.15 406.98 411.03 413.57 414.12 415.29 416.22 416.46 417.95 418.53 419.8 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 394.008 394.248 394.03 394.2 Hmm . 394.2 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 396.356 396.809 396.43 396.68 Hmm . 396.68 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 398.664 399.011 398.8 398.93 Right . 398.93 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 399.62 400.264 399.89 400.23 I agree . 400.23 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 412.064 413.256 412.25 413.09 Yeah . We do . 412.73 413.09 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 412.6 413.233 412.67 413.12 Mm-hmm . 413.12 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 420.26 422.63 420.34 422.6 Or say let's lose rubber , take plastic . 421.96 422.6 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 420.92 423.064 420.94 423.0 We could take out a curve indeed . 423.0 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 423.464 425.112 423.48 425.06 Could we could take out the curve . Is that an option ? 424.4 425.06 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 425.728 426.329 425.728 426.329 . 426.329 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 425.72 426.248 425.74 426.09 Yes . 426.09 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 426.168 426.705 426.24 426.57 For you ? 426.57 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 427.816 430.786 428.03 430.786 Although we are demolishing a little bit the style . But 430.57 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 428.068 431.114 428.18 431.114 But uh the and - TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 428.682 437.151 428.76 437.151 I think the colour is more important than the really the curve , because if you just end up with an entirely black remote control 432.11 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 430.699 431.072 430.82 430.93 Yeah . 430.93 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 436.086 437.922 436.21 437.922 Yeah . The people 437.16 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 436.108 441.829 436.22 441.72 I think it's it it does ruin it , but the fact that I t took that decision or t 438.05 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 438.424 438.862 438.45 438.75 Yeah . 438.75 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 443.815 462.22 443.95 462.11 Took this example actually , not really decision , but the example is because we do offer the um the possibility of adding your own custom covers . So you can change any colour you want . So it's just you deliver a basic remote control with a possibility to change you into whatever you want . 444.99 445.83 454.63 456.66 462.11 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 462.184 468.096 462.51 468.096 Can we then not also uh change the material ? We take plastic for the basic cover and 465.69 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 467.432 489.843 467.45 489.72 You can take plastic , but I d it's something that's stuck into my mind is that something that really came forward from the marketing research is that people like the the the the squishy feeling of the spongy feeling of the and it really makes it also makes it different from the existing remote controls , because they're all plastic . So which in in turn Rubber would increase durability because it doesn't break . 468.31 482.98 484.61 489.72 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 475.863 477.353 476.11 477.28 Spongy , yeah . 476.99 477.28 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 478.632 481.325 478.74 481.14 We can put those to the to the other covers . 481.14 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 479.254 479.888 479.38 479.6 Yeah . 479.6 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 482.823 483.284 482.91 483.284 And - TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 484.436 485.006 484.52 484.92 That's true . 484.92 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 487.739 489.163 487.82 489.0 But okay . 489.0 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 490.648 495.309 490.81 495.12 But what do you then suggest we'd lose ? Because we have to lose two things and I guess . 492.92 495.12 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 494.825 503.755 494.89 503.49 I al like I said , I lost the speech recognition and I lost the special colour , which would make this black a black and grey . Yeah , that's that that that's enough , because 496.18 498.93 501.53 501.69 503.16 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 495.652 496.621 495.82 496.621 But - TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 497.546 497.941 497.58 497.83 Yes . 497.83 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 500.078 500.991 500.16 500.93 Okay , and that's enough ? 500.39 500.93 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 503.08 505.032 503.1 504.98 So black and grey is okay . 504.98 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 505.016 508.408 505.17 508.34 I guess those are the basic colours . So Oh . 506.79 508.34 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 505.817 506.338 505.96 506.338 But - TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 506.78 507.226 506.81 507.11 Hmm . 507.11 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 507.272 509.382 507.272 509.34 Which we can fabricate , okay . 508.99 509.34 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 509.368 519.009 509.39 518.9 The people want to pay for for it , so why why uh do we have to keep us uh uh um on the twelve and a half ? 512.07 518.9 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 509.332 510.536 509.42 510.5 I think those are basic col - TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 512.679 513.428 512.77 513.428 They want to - TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 517.727 535.014 517.78 535.014 To ensure the profit . That that's th that's the order . We're just uh we're the project team and we got our our orders from the pro from the boss of our company which say we don't wanna spend more than twelve fifty for this . But that's not for our that's not our decision to take . We have a budget of twelve fifty per product . So 518.66 520.03 529.11 532.32 534.62 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 525.496 525.973 525.56 525.84 Yeah . 525.84 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 527.073 528.571 527.16 528.49 But we can take a risk . 528.49 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 531.896 533.324 532.04 533.324 No , we basically 532.25 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 532.311 533.257 532.45 533.11 Okay , yeah . 532.82 533.11 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 533.49 533.938 533.52 533.77 Hmm . 533.77 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 534.536 536.211 534.59 536.02 We need to stick to that . 536.02 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 535.896 541.656 535.92 541.62 Stick that . I don't think it's really bad either . I mean if we we have the the backup of or the backup design thing 536.24 537.62 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 541.688 543.348 541.72 543.348 I hope the people will like it , but 542.98 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 542.95 576.361 543.02 576.361 to have I think they would do . Th I think they do like because yo we you we agree upon that the that the the the cover thing was a nice idea , because p you could have all sort of designs while at the same time just manufacturing one product , one basic product which you could turn into any any taste you want . So I think it's the best solution to make those cu custom covers for the design aspect and keep the functionality between of within the th the boundaries of the your f uh your budget . So 545.14 552.23 558.52 561.48 575.84 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 558.088 558.44 558.11 558.41 Yeah . 558.41 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 566.245 567.735 566.3 567.68 Perhaps we should make m - TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 566.526 567.514 566.85 567.28 Yeah . 567.28 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 569.673 570.076 569.73 569.95 Huh . 569.95 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 574.943 575.758 574.99 575.68 The first sheet . 575.68 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 575.898 587.176 575.94 587.11 Perhaps we should make clear to our customer that we had to do this to stay under the cost . And that's uh they know that this is an option and that we had to drop the option to stay under the cost , that they know that . 579.35 586.52 587.11 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 587.488 594.428 587.79 594.428 Well I don't think Yeah . Is it worth is it is it does it mean anything to the customer ? Like , it like , we don't care we don't care that you had to 589.09 591.8 591.99 592.42 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 588.824 590.001 588.84 589.79 Perhaps they decide tha - TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 589.38 590.057 589.53 590.057 But they don't - TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 592.034 602.504 592.1 602.47 Of course . Perhaps they uh no , but perhaps they think uh okay , the cover is such a nice idea , uh let's that that then they uh that allow us to make some more costs . 592.62 594.28 595.57 597.15 602.47 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 603.576 605.47 603.6 605.47 We ca we uh we can at least tell them that - TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 604.005 615.345 604.06 615.345 True , but we did we didn't get that . So I think it's it should either be a pack , maybe we sh that should be sold in in the s in stores with with a standard cover or something . But 604.46 606.66 609.49 615.04 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 606.62 607.476 606.71 607.27 You don't know that . 607.27 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 608.665 609.167 608.77 609.167 Well - TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 609.424 610.095 609.47 609.97 Huh . 609.97 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 614.442 629.192 614.58 629.11 No , I'm not uh talking about that cost but the one that g has given us the order to design this . We could at least m uh make it like this , like you said , and then tell them okay , we had to drop this and that , just that you know . It is an still an option , but not for this price . 614.89 619.23 621.22 622.05 623.09 625.03 625.94 627.26 629.11 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 620.549 621.496 620.7 621.496 They could , but uh 621.09 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 627.934 654.674 628.03 654.674 It's an option , but yeah , it's true . So actually uh it's not that much of an increase , but yeah . We cannot contact them . It's just the order that we got . So that's what we gotta go with . So it's either one fi just just to get it f just to get it through final , it's either turned into plastic , drop the squishy feel , make it make it more breakable , um or turn it yellow . So 628.67 629.64 630.79 632.97 633.76 634.79 635.95 639.17 643.58 646.79 647.91 650.78 653.98 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 633.496 634.42 633.58 634.42 And if we - TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 634.948 635.705 635.15 635.705 Exactly , but 635.47 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 635.088 635.647 635.17 635.37 Yeah . 635.37 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 648.854 649.479 648.93 649.26 Yeah . 649.26 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 650.056 650.312 650.1 650.26 Hmm . 650.26 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 656.248 658.974 656.29 658.76 It's uh something we have to decide on . 658.76 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 659.896 664.769 660.04 664.769 I'd say lose the curve and the colour and - TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 662.825 673.396 662.88 673.26 I say lose the curve . Oh that's true , we could lose the c yeah , I forgot that , sorry . Uh the curve . So That's just this one just d this is the banana curve . 664.3 664.82 665.73 666.26 667.71 668.63 673.26 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 668.929 671.865 668.95 671.74 So which curve is that ba that's basically that curve . 671.74 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 673.032 673.625 673.11 673.49 Hmm . 673.49 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 674.728 675.839 674.84 675.72 Yeah , that's better . 675.11 675.72 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 675.04 676.966 675.08 676.85 So this would this would be straight . 676.85 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 675.191 677.208 675.24 677.17 So we could u still have the comfort . 677.17 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 678.409 686.657 678.48 686.56 No , uh no , that would be a curve inside the thing , I guess . No , would ju then it would just be a straight remote . Just like like that . 678.73 679.22 681.6 682.26 682.46 684.47 686.56 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 686.284 686.696 686.38 686.6 Hmm . 686.6 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 689.478 696.164 689.77 696.164 Which would , yeah , turn it into something far more ordinary . we could make it yellow then , but 691.47 692.1 694.78 695.85 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 694.771 697.16 695.21 696.96 I second that . 696.96 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 697.802 699.816 697.91 699.76 You second that , you second that we lose the curve . 698.57 699.76 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 700.152 708.455 700.25 708.455 No , that it would turn out to be a pretty straight-forward remote control . So that's not really that 700.98 705.01 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 704.826 705.575 704.91 705.54 Okay , yeah . 705.3 705.54 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 705.13 706.645 705.24 706.48 Yeah . Yeah . 706.21 706.48 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 706.712 715.432 706.75 715.38 So I think it would be a good idea to keep the curve to separate it from the rest of the remote control world , so to speak . So we keep the curve . 713.03 714.43 715.38 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 711.769 712.365 711.88 712.16 Hmm . 712.16 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 717.739 729.819 717.86 729.69 So the only only solution is either to use the l y lose the yellow or lose the rubber . And I'm in favour of keeping the rubber , because it has more more advantages than the colour yellow has . 723.69 725.12 729.69 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 717.795 718.495 717.88 718.495 I would - TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 726.432 726.936 726.432 726.79 Oh . 726.79 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 728.28 728.948 728.35 728.71 I agree . 728.71 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 729.241 740.962 729.32 740.82 Yeah . I would say I would agree with you on the colour , because that's an extra option , an extra service we can deliver for a little bit of more money . So we can always do that . 730.09 733.29 735.07 738.71 740.82 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 730.207 730.617 730.32 730.53 No . 730.53 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 730.416 730.926 730.49 730.68 Yep . 730.68 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 736.824 737.392 736.97 737.28 Mm-hmm . 737.28 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 739.045 761.796 739.15 761.71 Yeah , um I guess people are willing to pay for that . So I think we can take that option and just with uh with the idea in the back of our head that you can customise your remote control . So I think that would still make it a nice product . Okay , we're final on that . So it's too bad we can't make the whole super thing . But anyways we're here . Um yeah . 739.41 741.34 747.27 750.47 750.87 751.64 755.06 759.76 761.71 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 741.79 742.276 741.89 742.22 Yeah . 742.22 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 742.17 742.654 742.19 742.61 Hmm ? 742.61 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 747.864 748.136 747.88 748.09 Yes . 748.09 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 761.374 763.134 761.4 763.09 Which is basically what we discussed . 763.09 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 762.678 764.104 762.74 764.01 This we discussed just now . 764.01 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 766.088 770.12 766.13 770.12 That's just now just we could just discuss how the project went . I mean , was kind of 769.04 769.38 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 770.61 772.01 770.78 771.73 And I want to do that . 771.73 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 771.275 800.813 771.37 800.813 I sort of expected that everything would turn out this way , but because you yeah , everything cannot be for free . We didn't I think it was too bad we didn't have the financial info the last time . Because that was I th it was really essential really to ma because we spent uh uh entire stage designing a product of which we had no idea what it would cost . So we just put something I think it's really nor not in stroke with reality actually . So 774.72 776.82 778.88 783.46 793.58 800.23 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 783.449 785.663 783.51 785.663 Yes , we could have 785.08 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 783.741 784.188 783.83 784.0 Huh . 784.0 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 792.774 793.252 792.89 793.17 Hmm . 793.17 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 794.388 794.907 794.44 794.72 Yeah . 794.72 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 800.126 809.165 800.42 809.165 Me too , I felt a bit blind throughout the project , because in the beginning I had no list of available materials , and then I d had not list of available c finances . So 800.96 802.75 806.32 808.87 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 802.757 803.251 802.79 803.14 Yeah . 803.14 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 804.345 814.248 804.47 814.248 Yeah , I think would have been . Materials would be ok at least the last meeting I would have expected had to have that . So I suppose 804.68 806.71 812.54 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 804.721 805.615 804.97 805.36 Yeah . 805.36 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 806.51 807.032 806.7 807.032 But - TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 814.28 817.904 814.3 817.904 Let's um see um - TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 817.437 823.56 817.53 823.56 Yeah , let's see if it sells . I mean I suppose this sells , because it's very very extended . But 817.7 818.81 819.97 823.03 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 819.765 820.35 819.94 820.35 Um - TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 823.528 825.784 823.56 825.784 Well I hope it sells . 825.71 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 824.03 824.515 824.11 824.515 Let's - TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 825.24 825.701 825.34 825.701 Uh - TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 826.04 826.411 826.06 826.36 Hmm . 826.36 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 826.099 833.846 826.18 833.67 I suppose it sells , because it's good . I mean it's got everything for the for the reasonable price , because we didn't know what it's gonna cost anyway . 827.1 828.81 831.82 833.67 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 827.636 828.13 827.76 828.07 Oh . 828.07 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 832.094 832.541 832.18 832.39 Hmm . 832.39 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 838.264 838.52 838.29 838.47 Hmm . 838.47 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 839.512 867.406 839.54 867.32 Okay , let's eval evaluate uh the product of us , our design . Um I have some uh a method , a requirements and scale of . I uh will pre present uh some statements and we will decided together wha what if it's true or false and uh then we see uh if the requirements of the user are fulfilled or not . 840.56 845.86 847.9 851.6 853.84 867.32 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 861.4 861.896 861.42 861.83 Okay . 861.83 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 866.072 867.645 866.072 867.52 Have been met , okay . 867.18 867.52 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 868.568 869.48 868.66 869.35 And I will - TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 870.824 873.368 870.97 873.32 uh make a new blank sheet . 873.32 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 873.218 874.0 873.218 873.93 Yeah . 873.93 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 875.288 885.21 875.31 885.21 So so the buttons , the look and feel . I thought it was okay , but the advanced uh settings , um screen , audio and channel 877.35 878.5 879.87 882.63 883.95 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 885.048 888.686 885.27 888.61 Which are basically accessible through the menu button . 888.61 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 885.603 886.912 885.72 886.75 They're stuck under menu . 886.75 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 886.72 887.486 886.8 887.486 We are not - TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 887.926 899.253 887.96 899.16 For the menu . I think those are totally met , because we we really took them for the they have the feel they want , they have the simplicity they want . I think it's very uh very well met . Either two or one maybe . 888.49 889.81 893.4 895.73 897.87 899.16 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 888.2 888.759 888.31 888.68 Hmm . 888.68 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 889.893 891.342 890.04 891.28 Oh the menu button is it . 891.28 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 891.045 891.455 891.11 891.37 Yeah . 891.37 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 891.779 892.79 891.86 892.66 Hi Oh , okay . 892.22 892.66 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 894.719 895.954 894.81 895.954 Then it's all uh - TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 897.954 899.164 898.1 899.12 S it's true . 899.12 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 898.306 898.933 898.38 898.7 One . 898.7 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 900.132 903.912 900.15 903.86 I think we took that everything they wanted into consideration . So it could either be a two or a one . 902.4 903.86 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 901.757 902.301 901.79 902.07 Yeah . 902.07 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 904.496 905.08 904.55 905.0 So d - TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 906.376 910.58 906.43 910.5 Oh wait . Uh pen . The p 907.97 909.91 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 907.128 908.384 907.24 908.384 One and a half . 908.22 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 909.809 911.818 909.87 911.818 Which is not an option . 911.05 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 912.184 913.845 912.2 913.845 Oh yeah , it's red , okay , but 912.77 913.2 913.6 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 912.974 914.904 913.01 914.904 Just create our own option . 914.52 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 915.08 918.177 915.23 918.06 Look and feel is everybo it's true . 918.06 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 921.368 921.88 921.39 921.68 Yeah . 921.68 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 921.787 922.24 921.82 922.24 So - TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 923.528 932.033 923.55 932.033 Anyone ? And the next one uh yeah , when it's lost uh you can find it . It's 924.94 929.51 931.47 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 929.62 942.597 929.92 942.55 It's perfect . Even for deaf people , yeah . It's I don't think it's perfect , but we did everything possible to to get it back . Because if it's stuck in you couch , you can see the light . Maybe you can hear it . But I mean we tried , so I think it that's that deserves a one . 930.74 931.77 932.4 933.55 936.45 937.74 938.37 939.02 940.84 942.55 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 932.264 932.456 932.28 932.42 Hmm . 932.42 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 935.492 937.18 935.57 937.11 To make it that way , yeah . 936.76 937.11 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 939.797 941.526 939.89 941.45 Yeah . And it's 940.86 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 943.528 944.568 943.55 944.39 and it's yeah . 944.39 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 945.496 946.2 945.52 946.11 Definitely . 946.11 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 948.856 953.017 949.42 952.9 To . That's okay then . And the next one . 950.39 952.12 952.9 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 955.143 958.016 955.25 957.92 How is that ? Uh w we had we don't have an uh 955.86 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 959.01 960.008 959.17 959.86 Manual . 959.86 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 959.898 960.861 959.94 960.76 manual , yeah . 960.5 960.76 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 962.04 964.445 962.06 964.445 But I think that's a part of it . But 964.03 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 961.912 970.556 962.18 970.556 I think the L_C_D_ display could be a little bit more difficult then a normal remote control , but then again , it's for young people . So 968.11 968.78 969.94 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 964.936 966.709 964.96 966.53 I'd use an remote control . 966.53 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 967.512 968.04 967.54 967.91 Mm yeah . 967.91 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 970.411 972.536 970.5 972.536 Yeah , an L_C_D_ , it tells a lot about uh 970.66 971.18 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 972.472 973.117 972.55 972.9 Yeah , I th 972.75 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 972.685 980.16 972.79 980.16 And it's pretty straight-forward , you have a navigation no keys to navigate through the L_C_D_ menus . So 974.0 979.57 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 974.347 974.98 974.41 974.8 Exactly . 974.8 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 974.337 975.852 974.44 975.56 It's pretty straight-forward , uh-huh . 975.35 975.56 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 976.008 976.855 976.15 976.61 No , that's true . 976.33 976.61 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 978.097 979.776 978.19 979.66 I think it won't be a big problem . 979.66 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 978.757 979.235 978.8 979.14 Yeah . 979.14 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 980.296 983.548 980.35 983.42 So it's a one or a I don't know . 983.42 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 981.31 983.864 981.76 983.8 One I d no , actu 983.64 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 985.11 991.68 985.19 991.41 I think but we didn't even there was no issue on making a manual actually . We didn't really discuss it , but 989.61 991.2 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 985.78 987.788 985.87 987.64 For the advanced uh settings . 987.64 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 990.11 991.528 990.21 991.45 No okay , that uh that's true . 990.68 991.45 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 992.328 1012.837 992.4 1012.71 I don't think it takes no , it really does doesn't take time to learn , I think . We took it s it's so easy , we have so little button , everything speaks for itself really . So I think that's yeah , we didn't it's either two or one , I guess . Maybe it's a two , because d uh the L_C_D_ is a little is a little new and there is there are some option hidden under the menu button . So I might make this a two instead of a one , I guess . 993.4 995.25 995.63 997.03 997.91 1000.54 1001.57 1003.23 1003.52 1004.23 1010.42 1012.24 1012.71 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 996.024 998.036 996.09 997.87 No , it it is pretty straight-forward . 996.32 997.87 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 995.969 997.04 996.13 997.04 Oh , so it 996.41 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1000.52 1001.879 1000.54 1001.879 Ah . Um 1001.04 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1002.072 1003.069 1002.24 1002.87 Takes no ti - TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1007.528 1009.933 1007.81 1009.77 With the more important functions on . 1009.77 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1009.325 1009.893 1009.41 1009.76 Yeah . 1009.76 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1010.604 1011.052 1010.7 1010.94 Yeah . 1010.94 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1012.151 1012.859 1012.31 1012.79 Yeah . 1012.79 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1012.776 1015.584 1012.86 1015.51 And the L_C_D_ , you have to see it . 1013.68 1015.51 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1015.72 1017.068 1015.88 1016.95 So just make that a two . 1016.95 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1018.027 1020.136 1018.13 1020.136 Um mm - TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1023.296 1025.288 1023.58 1025.25 Oh , it's a little bit 1024.16 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1026.309 1026.992 1026.37 1026.89 learning . 1026.89 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1032.92 1042.032 1033.07 1041.93 Okay . Uh yeah it's uh a little bit same . But it tells you or not ? 1035.15 1038.91 1041.93 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1039.288 1039.744 1039.32 1039.62 Mm-hmm . 1039.62 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1040.759 1048.901 1040.85 1048.76 You can use the L_C_D_ in a good way . I think so . I think it's perfect , the w where it is , what it can do , if it useful . I think so . 1043.17 1043.95 1045.07 1045.96 1047.59 1048.3 1048.76 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1048.353 1051.96 1048.41 1051.91 But wha w oh , yeah . What are we uh 1050.1 1050.96 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1049.032 1049.432 1049.06 1049.4 Mm-hmm . 1049.4 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1052.968 1058.312 1052.99 1058.312 displaying on the L_C_D_ screen ? Just uh only the channels and or 1055.23 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1058.856 1059.847 1058.856 1059.847 the menus uh - TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1060.626 1061.26 1060.7 1061.12 What uh ? 1061.12 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1060.735 1066.884 1060.77 1066.68 Things like brightness and uh those kind of things we've put in the menu , because we have no buttons for those . 1065.58 1066.68 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1066.383 1068.92 1066.46 1068.92 Well , basically the menu options indeed . But 1066.6 1068.75 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1069.08 1070.729 1069.1 1070.65 Oh , in the L_C_D_ screen . 1069.34 1070.65 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1069.828 1073.129 1070.01 1073.0 No , y I mean in the L_C_D_ screen , the small screen . What does it display ? 1070.25 1071.64 1072.19 1073.0 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1070.692 1071.214 1070.78 1070.99 Yes . 1070.99 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1072.188 1074.84 1072.26 1074.84 And for a channel selection , uh or that's not 1073.47 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1073.947 1085.374 1074.04 1085.2 Well I thought it was I thought it was I thought that people wanted previews on their I'm not sure if that even possible , but 'cause it's this requires a quite quite a bit of band-width . I don't think it's possible really . But 1079.81 1083.99 1085.04 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1078.43 1081.56 1078.51 1081.39 Yeah , I thought I thought too but yeah . 1078.75 1081.39 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1086.52 1089.36 1086.55 1089.28 the they didn't really define in what should be used for . 1089.28 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1086.644 1087.014 1086.72 1087.014 But - TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1089.27 1092.274 1089.33 1092.274 Maybe a T_V_ guide or something in your L_C_D_ uh - TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1089.415 1090.098 1089.57 1090.03 No . 1090.03 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1090.757 1098.289 1090.87 1098.2 But I think in for example like T_V_ guides , I think that's that th that you can transmit through it and everything . Just for extra information on your programmes . 1092.72 1096.27 1098.2 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1091.729 1092.456 1091.95 1092.25 Mm . 1092.25 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1093.32 1093.752 1093.34 1093.68 Yeah . 1093.68 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1098.857 1102.003 1098.97 1101.96 Yeah , it must be clear then what what what for we use it . 1099.12 1101.96 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1099.51 1126.429 1099.64 1126.3 But also things like like like menus or p how about preferences of your uh with configuring your remote control for favourite your favourite channel for example , how do you configure that . So that could be done by L_C_D_ display . I think it's good . No , maybe it's not a one because it's we're not using it perfectly . We didn't give it I don't thing over-discussing . Now we gave it enough thought though . I think we d should just lower this . Maybe maybe it's a three though . We could've used it more effectively probably . 1107.47 1109.38 1111.37 1113.17 1113.48 1116.08 1118.69 1120.47 1121.76 1124.01 1126.3 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1105.63 1106.214 1105.73 1106.12 Yeah . 1106.12 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1107.093 1107.537 1107.15 1107.45 Yeah . 1107.45 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1120.2 1120.552 1120.23 1120.48 Yeah . 1120.48 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1127.096 1127.856 1127.12 1127.76 Yeah , indeed . 1127.39 1127.76 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1129.08 1132.588 1129.1 1132.588 So everybody's agree with an uh three on it , it's 1132.12 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1132.312 1132.716 1132.33 1132.64 Yes . 1132.64 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1132.352 1135.021 1132.37 1135.021 Yeah . Two or three . So 1132.89 1134.6 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1132.636 1149.915 1132.72 1149.84 Yeah , we are using it , but it's not it's not poorly used , but it's not efficiently used , I think . We could have ev even lost the selection button and uh done everything via L_C_D_ selection . It's now it's just extra to illustrate im uh extra features , but okay . 1132.84 1133.84 1135.55 1136.83 1137.62 1144.41 1149.29 1149.84 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1133.419 1133.904 1133.5 1133.81 W - TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1134.235 1134.836 1134.36 1134.71 Yeah . 1134.71 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1143.16 1143.609 1143.18 1143.52 Yeah . 1143.52 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1146.886 1148.312 1146.97 1148.312 Yeah , I 1148.03 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1149.832 1150.462 1149.86 1150.36 A three . 1150.36 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1151.192 1154.897 1151.54 1154.897 Nah , it's not really only an extra . No menus . Think about 1151.69 1153.59 1154.31 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1153.333 1157.08 1153.42 1157.08 You can seven . 1156.55 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1153.339 1155.132 1153.45 1155.132 Ah , nothing , that's 1153.87 1154.48 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1155.871 1157.896 1155.98 1157.896 A seven . Uh that's uh 1157.08 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1158.328 1163.096 1158.35 1163.04 Can you talk to remote control ? Well , it can't talk anymore . So we scrap that . 1159.84 1160.22 1162.16 1163.04 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1158.742 1161.472 1158.76 1161.472 Or we could say it - TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1161.642 1163.496 1161.86 1163.496 Yeah . 1163.42 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1164.18 1166.712 1164.26 1166.712 Or we could say neutral , we 'cause we scratched the 1165.26 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1165.264 1172.162 1165.33 1171.73 Oh yeah Just to be a prick , but of course you can talk to your remote control , it doesn't do anything . But you c you can talk to it . 1167.98 1169.51 1170.28 1171.73 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1167.133 1167.506 1167.21 1167.38 C - TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1168.614 1170.82 1168.614 1170.76 Yeah yeah yeah yeah . 1170.76 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1171.496 1178.536 1171.52 1178.536 Not with the speech recognition . Uh yeah , all the trends and no colours uh anymore . So 1174.09 1175.62 1177.75 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1178.504 1182.589 1178.58 1182.55 Well , we did take everything into consideration of course . Uh the shape i shape is i 1179.04 1181.38 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1181.456 1184.242 1181.54 1184.17 Yeah , uh um only in the curves . 1182.13 1184.17 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1183.166 1184.897 1183.28 1184.79 I think we yeah , I think that's okay . 1183.97 1184.79 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1185.64 1187.773 1185.68 1187.65 But the colours , we don't have special colours on it . 1186.25 1187.65 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1187.009 1188.738 1187.07 1188.738 No , we don't have the colour . So I 1187.36 1188.25 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1187.958 1192.611 1188.04 1192.48 Yeah , special co but we took into consideration the fact that it's customisable to the fashi 1188.28 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1191.145 1194.627 1191.25 1194.54 Yeah , but we yeah , we don't have it , so d 1191.81 1193.11 1194.13 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1192.408 1195.384 1192.43 1195.384 Yes , but the end product So 1192.67 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1192.751 1193.198 1192.88 1193.09 Hmm . 1193.09 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1195.304 1200.994 1195.49 1200.96 We don't have it we do have it , it's just sold as a package . It does it's not part of the basic product . 1196.98 1198.65 1200.96 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1196.051 1197.055 1196.13 1197.02 In the end product . 1197.02 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1197.097 1197.451 1197.16 1197.451 But - TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1199.31 1199.906 1199.42 1199.81 M - TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1201.21 1204.281 1201.36 1204.12 Changing covers is also trend that we followed . 1204.12 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1203.354 1216.267 1203.59 1216.22 It that that's what I call trendy . I mean the shape is trendy . The the sh the the functions are trendy . It's just the colours that are not supporting the basic model . Because you ha it's just not affordable at the moment . 1205.02 1206.31 1209.55 1212.97 1216.22 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1212.6 1213.104 1212.62 1213.104 Now - TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1214.674 1215.719 1214.72 1215.64 But it's not a one . 1215.64 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1214.912 1221.823 1215.04 1221.823 Maybe we should go with a two then , because it's not perfect , because we can't do it initially , but we 1216.78 1217.91 1219.69 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1217.4 1217.958 1217.51 1217.87 Yeah . 1217.87 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1219.724 1221.432 1219.79 1221.432 Oh . 1221.35 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1220.184 1220.659 1220.22 1220.54 Mm-hmm . 1220.54 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1220.338 1226.397 1220.38 1226.26 It's possible , but you have to pay extra for the for the possibility of having it in a f a different colour . 1221.12 1226.26 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1228.168 1228.812 1228.29 1228.812 Oh well - TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1230.248 1230.686 1230.36 1230.57 Oops . 1230.57 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1244.408 1248.196 1244.65 1248.05 Oh it's a two , right ? 1247.76 1248.05 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1247.798 1248.376 1247.9 1248.3 Yeah . 1248.3 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1248.392 1248.76 1248.42 1248.71 Mm-hmm . 1248.71 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1252.726 1256.34 1252.99 1256.3 On the last one . Uh that n that's all . 1254.87 1256.3 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1255.727 1257.031 1255.76 1256.8 Overall score . 1256.8 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1255.627 1257.16 1255.78 1257.16 Overall score . 1257.09 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1257.453 1260.072 1257.54 1259.99 Overall . It's um 1259.17 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1260.136 1263.308 1260.16 1263.19 One two three . sixteen . 1262.5 1263.19 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1261.192 1263.784 1261.192 1263.69 ten , sixteen 1263.07 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1264.931 1270.603 1265.16 1270.56 three uh two two point seven or something like that . 1270.56 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1266.152 1268.776 1266.152 1268.71 Two two point some two point something . 1268.71 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1269.154 1269.713 1269.31 1269.53 Hmm . 1269.53 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1273.08 1273.784 1273.13 1273.67 I don't know why . 1273.67 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1274.024 1275.624 1274.04 1275.59 Ten , sixteen , 1274.93 1275.59 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1275.064 1275.88 1275.064 1275.88 . 1275.88 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1277.336 1278.68 1277.48 1278.68 divided by - TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1278.568 1279.56 1278.71 1279.46 Six . 1279.46 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1278.696 1279.355 1278.74 1279.25 Six . 1279.25 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1284.36 1286.12 1284.48 1286.02 Is two two third . 1286.02 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1287.16 1288.104 1287.18 1288.02 Two and two thirds . 1288.02 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1288.776 1289.378 1288.8 1289.378 Um - TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1292.456 1297.112 1292.53 1297.08 So we can say it's it's the product is it's okay . 1297.08 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1297.398 1310.024 1297.46 1309.99 It's okay , but that's yo m mostly it's it's influenced by the fact that we didn't have enough resources to implement speech recognition . 'Cause yeah , that gives you a seven , which ruins your your average . 1298.1 1307.25 1307.7 1308.53 1309.99 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1297.685 1298.656 1297.84 1298.656 Y not - TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1298.378 1298.691 1298.44 1298.66 Mm-hmm . 1298.66 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1299.993 1300.552 1300.07 1300.552 There's - TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1306.712 1307.048 1306.74 1307.0 Mm-hmm . 1307.0 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1310.239 1310.7 1310.3 1310.62 Yeah . 1310.62 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1311.256 1318.552 1311.28 1318.51 Without that it would be like under it wouldn't yeah , it would be under two . So I think we have even with this it's reasonable . 1314.48 1315.92 1318.51 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1316.686 1317.486 1316.77 1317.486 Woah . 1317.13 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1320.314 1331.653 1320.43 1331.56 Yeah , if we make it into a four , as in neutral , because we didn't implement it , so we can't say that we that it's really not well implemented . We come out on a average of two one eighth . 1320.6 1322.61 1323.76 1324.99 1329.41 1331.56 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1326.688 1327.141 1326.73 1327.06 Yeah . 1327.06 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1332.28 1333.528 1332.3 1333.43 Well I think it's two is okay . 1333.43 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1333.189 1342.524 1333.21 1342.524 So which is pretty w good . It's at least on the positive side . So We could definitely have done better if we've had more resources , but 1335.4 1337.19 1342.19 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1333.872 1334.292 1333.95 1334.19 Mm-hmm . 1334.19 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1334.984 1336.088 1335.01 1335.82 Yeah , two is pretty good . 1335.24 1335.82 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1337.338 1338.424 1337.38 1338.34 Hmm , of course . 1337.97 1338.34 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1337.544 1338.324 1337.56 1338.11 Definitely . 1338.11 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1337.79 1338.299 1337.86 1338.17 Yeah . 1338.17 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1343.349 1357.86 1343.42 1357.69 Yeah , I think it's probably I I do admit that we d did miss a little or didn't sp didn't talk talk enough about the possibility of the L_C_D_ display . We could have used it more efficiently , we just didn't think of it that way . 1343.67 1355.15 1356.32 1357.69 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1344.104 1344.471 1344.14 1344.36 Mm-hmm . 1344.36 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1344.616 1345.093 1344.69 1345.02 Yeah . 1345.02 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1355.18 1355.772 1355.28 1355.59 Yeah . 1355.59 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1357.269 1359.237 1357.4 1359.16 Yeah . True . 1358.81 1359.16 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1357.704 1359.309 1357.95 1359.18 Yeah , with . 1358.14 1359.18 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1359.352 1367.784 1359.43 1367.47 So like I said , changing channels , everything hidden in your L_C_D_ display , so you just need the navigation buttons to do everything . 1361.83 1362.74 1365.23 1367.47 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1361.808 1362.722 1361.92 1362.55 The scale . 1362.55 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1367.704 1372.567 1367.73 1372.48 But I think for this price , this is it's really a reasonable product . It's a good product . 1369.47 1371.7 1372.48 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1371.48 1379.96 1371.61 1379.96 I think we div I think we did very well , uh ev even if you look at this score , we did quite well . It just looking for improvements what what you could have improved . So . 1373.27 1374.51 1376.52 1379.24 1379.81 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1373.479 1373.981 1373.58 1373.88 Yeah . 1373.88 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1375.397 1377.391 1375.48 1377.17 With an L_C_D_ screen . 1377.17 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1375.437 1375.81 1375.58 1375.69 Oh . 1375.69 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1378.12 1387.197 1378.2 1386.97 Oh . Yeah . But if pep people really want speech recognition , then they must be prepared to pu to pay more , because it's cannot be done for this . 1378.99 1379.58 1381.89 1385.33 1386.97 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1385.848 1390.824 1385.848 1390.824 They sh they should get kids , and just stick 'em in T_V_ and say change the channel . 1387.63 1390.46 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1385.824 1387.488 1385.95 1387.32 Yeah , you can make 'em another one . 1386.29 1387.32 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1388.766 1390.145 1388.88 1389.8 Hmm yeah . 1389.8 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1390.648 1395.4 1390.72 1395.4 Ah but for this price uh you cannot ask that . You cannot th think of that 1393.19 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1392.824 1402.32 1392.88 1402.19 I don' think so . Uh it's just not it it's not affordable . Or your sh you should lose the L_C_D_ screen probably , but I think that's I think the L_C_D_ screen is more worth than speech recognition . 1393.44 1395.63 1398.06 1402.19 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1395.4 1396.373 1395.42 1396.3 No , it's not . 1395.93 1396.3 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1398.521 1398.916 1398.57 1398.84 Mm-hmm . 1398.84 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1401.559 1403.147 1401.66 1403.09 Oh It's also more attractive . 1403.09 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1403.4 1406.374 1403.45 1406.23 Definitely . Okay , that was that . 1404.83 1405.41 1406.23 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1406.847 1407.384 1406.96 1407.33 Yeah . 1407.33 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1410.219 1410.639 1410.29 1410.58 Yeah . 1410.58 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1411.41 1418.648 1411.96 1418.58 So that's the final product without the speakers , I guess . Let's see , what was left in the the Another one . 1414.11 1415.32 1415.69 1418.58 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1412.287 1413.547 1412.47 1413.547 So did you - TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1430.655 1454.882 1430.83 1454.72 Hmm . Yeah , we evaluate the product . General project , what's i in For example , I thou I thought we were pretty creative in what we created . We took the whole new approach of making exchangeable cover for example , which I thought was pretty creative , because it was never never ever listed somewhere . 1434.05 1434.39 1438.52 1439.27 1442.83 1445.38 1450.49 1452.22 1454.72 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1455.528 1455.896 1455.55 1455.84 Hmm . 1455.84 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1455.864 1456.632 1455.88 1456.6 Favourite channel . 1456.6 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1457.016 1457.363 1457.04 1457.363 Well - TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1459.676 1502.068 1459.78 1501.81 Anyways . Yeah , leadership is up to you . I mean perhaps I screwed up because I d put a put a speech recognition into it . But that's not for me to decide . I think we did pretty well as team-work though . Because , yeah was very hard to work with one another if you cannot communicate in the meantime , because when I got the when I got the input for the financial results , initially of course I wanted to contact you . Say , look , this is you're doing the wrong thing , you're s you're wasting your time now , because we're implementing stuff that we cannot afford . So it would be better if y if there was more communication between uh because that's that's what would w you what you would normally do , either call or email someone . So that was too bad con was impossible here anyways . . 1460.53 1460.67 1461.78 1466.49 1468.56 1470.69 1470.99 1474.57 1479.0 1480.72 1480.97 1482.06 1483.96 1485.25 1488.06 1494.94 1496.38 1501.81 1501.81 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1467.521 1469.227 1467.79 1469.12 Yeah , I know . Yeah . 1468.16 1468.78 1469.12 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1470.847 1471.369 1471.0 1471.29 Yes . 1471.29 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1473.44 1473.818 1473.52 1473.7 Hmm . 1473.7 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1474.808 1475.242 1474.83 1475.12 Hmm . 1475.12 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1475.4 1477.069 1475.56 1476.89 Yeah , you're working separate . 1475.82 1476.89 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1478.776 1479.064 1478.85 1479.03 Yeah . 1479.03 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1481.944 1482.264 1481.97 1482.22 Yeah . 1482.22 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1482.363 1482.837 1482.54 1482.67 Huh . 1482.67 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1486.164 1486.765 1486.27 1486.58 Yeah . 1486.58 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1487.112 1488.215 1487.23 1488.02 Yeah , yeah yeah . 1487.55 1488.02 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1487.16 1487.756 1487.41 1487.6 Hmm . 1487.6 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1488.408 1488.876 1488.43 1488.8 Hmm . 1488.8 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1491.487 1495.381 1491.54 1495.33 Yeah yeah yeah . Direct uh communication with yeah . 1492.69 1495.33 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1492.759 1495.107 1492.84 1494.98 And we could share information which we received . 1494.98 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1496.888 1497.208 1496.91 1497.16 Hmm . 1497.16 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1499.8 1504.443 1499.84 1504.443 That's the same thing that I had in the beginning . Everybody was using materials that s I didn't have . So 1501.35 1504.1 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1504.376 1524.648 1504.49 1524.54 It didn't have or didn't knew what they costs or whatever . There was just too little information about what things actually cost and if you could use them . So that was a little unclear I suppose . I think a SMARTboard SMARTboard is pretty cool . I think uh s especially for design issues , it's very easy just to give your give your thoughts a little it's easier to share them . 1506.47 1512.14 1514.79 1517.02 1519.74 1524.54 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1504.654 1505.189 1504.71 1504.97 Yeah . 1504.97 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1505.933 1506.604 1506.13 1506.46 Oh . 1506.46 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1506.757 1507.136 1506.8 1507.03 Yeah . 1507.03 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1509.685 1510.105 1509.71 1510.05 Hmm . 1510.05 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1517.68 1520.92 1517.68 1520.86 My handwriting is little bit yeah . 1520.86 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1522.832 1523.293 1522.92 1523.21 Yeah . 1523.21 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1524.68 1525.016 1524.71 1524.97 Hmm . 1524.97 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1524.936 1531.272 1524.97 1531.272 Although for actual design I'd say the response time should be a little bit higher , because 1530.7 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1527.506 1535.032 1527.56 1534.96 It's a little less it the response time is le it's very bad . It's good to visualise everything , but I think the response time should could be a lot better . 1531.21 1532.42 1534.96 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1530.333 1530.706 1530.49 1530.61 Hmm . 1530.61 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1534.952 1538.92 1535.01 1538.82 The digital pen was definitely better to draw my ideas and to - TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1535.084 1536.253 1535.24 1536.253 But th that's - TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1537.677 1538.608 1537.92 1538.53 Definitely . 1538.53 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1538.31 1538.803 1538.43 1538.67 Mm-hmm . 1538.67 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1539.546 1540.762 1539.59 1540.52 Yeah , it's true . 1540.0 1540.52 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1539.56 1540.319 1539.6 1540.12 Yeah , okay . 1539.87 1540.12 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1539.928 1541.674 1539.95 1541.674 further elaborate on that . So 1541.23 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1541.252 1546.685 1541.34 1546.58 But there's uh also one problem with this I noticed . Uh you have to finish a page before going to a n 1544.02 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1545.686 1568.984 1545.83 1568.74 No , you don't have to . No , you don't . I jin I didn't check the finish button . I just you just ditch it and you can copy it or whatever . Uh only if you uh check the notes or press done . Then it um then you can then it exports to Word automatically . But it's not necessary to check either one of those two . You can just preview your p you can just preview your page in the in the programme . 1546.04 1547.57 1547.67 1547.94 1550.27 1554.15 1557.74 1562.42 1565.06 1568.74 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1547.16 1548.858 1547.18 1548.858 No . You can 1548.1 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1548.101 1548.548 1548.23 1548.33 Oh . 1548.33 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1550.96 1552.491 1551.08 1552.26 Done and then it's okay . 1552.26 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1553.336 1554.824 1553.36 1554.824 Okay , I saw that uh 1553.62 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1560.48 1560.935 1560.6 1560.71 Hmm . 1560.71 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1564.983 1565.911 1565.06 1565.911 Yeah , but I made 1565.17 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1565.488 1566.953 1565.66 1566.84 Oh , okay . 1566.39 1566.84 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1568.984 1580.284 1569.23 1580.284 Okay , but I made three pages and they were not finished . And when the third one was finished , I wanted to download it and then it was not possible anymore , because you have to close all the pinnits uh the pages before going further . 1569.42 1572.09 1573.25 1575.73 1579.85 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1569.25 1570.378 1569.33 1570.25 Okay , yeah . 1570.06 1570.25 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1579.416 1582.54 1579.44 1582.47 Okay , before starting a ne a new page . Okay , that could be b . 1579.85 1581.39 1581.78 1582.47 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1580.137 1581.086 1580.26 1581.0 Okay . 1581.0 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1581.411 1593.194 1581.48 1593.02 Exactly . So we cannot work on more than one page at same time . That's not possible . You have to finish it completely , then download it , it's then start a new one . That's not very uh handy , but if you know that , then it's not a problem . 1582.03 1584.5 1585.56 1586.96 1587.59 1589.04 1590.53 1592.38 1593.02 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1582.672 1583.265 1582.84 1583.08 Oh . 1583.08 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1585.511 1586.033 1585.54 1585.7 Hmm . 1585.7 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1585.656 1586.324 1585.68 1586.21 Okay . 1586.21 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1585.941 1587.668 1586.12 1587.49 Oh can you ? Okay . 1587.01 1587.49 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1588.52 1589.433 1588.55 1589.33 Yeah , okay . 1588.94 1589.33 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1590.456 1590.776 1590.54 1590.776 That's - TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1592.367 1630.079 1592.48 1630.079 Yeah , it's understandable , okay . Any new ideas ? Yeah , more communication between between uh that's the thing I noticed , that communication is very um very important , because if you get new information , it's essential f for the other team-mates to know that as soon as possible , because you would avoid making doing extra work , because you were doing extra work now uh m working on the on the speech recognition , you have limitation both on the technical on the d on the design side . So I think that could have been better . But that's I think it's more of a a setting here that you cannot communicate than uh than somewhere else . So 1592.74 1593.47 1596.1 1596.86 1597.11 1600.52 1603.62 1605.95 1609.85 1613.19 1617.43 1621.41 1623.65 1629.61 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1602.148 1603.638 1602.42 1603.638 Important to mm - TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1617.304 1617.856 1617.36 1617.8 Yeah . 1617.8 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1628.408 1628.811 1628.44 1628.69 Hmm . 1628.69 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1629.68 1639.961 1629.73 1639.79 Yeah , well it could also possibly be well , is it a more real-time information base , so we can all see which information is available to one another . 1629.99 1632.67 1635.98 1639.79 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1636.534 1652.723 1636.62 1652.723 Yeah , I think so . And l less p less spam probably . I'm not sure i I'm not sure you got spammed as well , but I get spammed like every t every two minutes there was a there was another email about master classes or something . So which were totally useless actually . I thought I should probably look into them , but they were all useless . So I just 1636.86 1637.21 1638.98 1641.15 1646.33 1648.54 1651.22 1652.09 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1638.908 1639.691 1639.07 1639.59 Mm-hmm . 1639.59 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1642.858 1643.417 1643.13 1643.16 Ah . 1643.16 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1643.939 1644.61 1644.07 1644.61 Well - TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1646.328 1646.888 1646.43 1646.71 Hmm . 1646.71 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1653.611 1655.941 1653.73 1655.941 Well , I personally did not have that , but 1654.01 1655.63 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1654.037 1654.457 1654.14 1654.457 Mm - TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1655.655 1656.355 1655.68 1656.24 Oh okay . 1656.24 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1658.312 1672.48 1658.43 1672.42 That's probably your l description . But I also didn't not really . But still , you had that as well . Is that we finished up the design and then we checked the website , and then there was just extra information . 1660.81 1663.06 1663.55 1664.93 1669.15 1672.42 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1664.494 1664.881 1664.59 1664.77 Huh . 1664.77 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1669.08 1669.517 1669.15 1669.33 Yeah . 1669.33 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1670.332 1671.238 1670.4 1671.238 Yeah , after 1670.67 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1671.557 1672.281 1671.557 1672.281 . 1672.281 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1672.328 1673.709 1672.39 1673.709 After five minutes , uh 1673.4 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1673.588 1674.219 1673.67 1674.219 Yeah , 1674.09 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1674.12 1676.6 1674.14 1676.43 There was a little delay in the bit of a c - TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1675.221 1675.839 1675.26 1675.74 Yeah . 1675.74 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1675.896 1679.72 1675.92 1679.72 I didn't have any uh more information , it's just always the same here . So that's that's kind of a 1677.48 1678.75 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1677.611 1678.681 1677.64 1678.55 crucial delay . 1678.55 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1678.505 1679.055 1678.64 1678.82 Mm . 1678.82 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1680.376 1681.39 1680.43 1681.39 Email uh - TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1681.224 1693.092 1681.26 1693.092 It would change , but not for me . So I'd I had no extra information to go on that one than what you give me actually . I couldn't do any research myself or I see , that's yeah , w I could have done a little extra work probably , then 1681.94 1682.73 1686.4 1689.22 1689.9 1692.69 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1684.458 1684.943 1684.61 1684.7 Hmm . 1684.7 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1686.005 1686.425 1686.06 1686.31 Hmm . 1686.31 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1688.376 1688.68 1688.4 1688.63 Hmm . 1688.63 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1693.336 1693.959 1693.336 1693.959 it's - TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1695.448 1697.688 1695.448 1697.688 But I was busy enough anyway . So 1697.35 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1697.56 1697.896 1697.58 1697.84 Hmm . 1697.84 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1698.071 1698.705 1698.071 1698.62 Yeah . 1698.62 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1698.904 1708.605 1699.02 1708.55 Any new ideas found ? Or is that a 'cause uh yeah , it's well , probably is . 1700.73 1706.51 1707.96 1708.55 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1704.461 1704.774 1704.54 1704.68 No . 1704.68 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1707.965 1709.72 1708.07 1709.67 How much time do we have for this anyway ? 1709.67 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1710.232 1715.192 1710.25 1715.192 I have no clue . That's like oh,but it 1711.95 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1716.312 1716.803 1716.312 1716.803 . 1716.803 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1716.552 1726.408 1716.57 1726.408 Should i if the project is evaluated and it was it was in b within budget , we should celebrate . So 1720.98 1721.84 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1721.926 1725.019 1721.926 1724.69 Okay , bring out the beer . 1723.87 1724.69 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1722.056 1727.433 1722.056 1727.34 Yeah . Champagne . 1726.5 1727.34 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1729.614 1731.96 1729.76 1731.96 Uh okay , think that's about it . Uh 1730.63 1731.68 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1730.172 1731.86 1730.28 1731.86 I want one for my own . 1731.82 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1733.336 1743.634 1733.47 1743.634 I'm not sure what we should still do though uh t let's see what all your tasks were finished , right ? What you ha from your assistant . So let's 1739.79 1740.79 1742.85 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1740.535 1740.888 1740.6 1740.85 Yeah . 1740.85 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1740.938 1745.352 1741.12 1745.12 I have no more email . My coach is uh being very silent now . 1742.91 1745.12 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1745.272 1747.109 1745.44 1747.01 Yeah , my personal coach i 1745.89 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1745.464 1753.352 1745.53 1753.352 Okay , I should I think I sh I still have the the total report to finish up . I think we took very little time now , because 1746.04 1749.66 1752.95 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1754.824 1759.88 1754.824 1759.8 Yeah , we're in agreement , everything the design is okay . The one thing we missed though , 1755.97 1756.7 1758.66 1759.8 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1761.032 1762.024 1761.05 1761.94 we don't have a product name . 1761.94 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1761.097 1761.632 1761.23 1761.632 What - TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1762.408 1774.956 1762.88 1774.956 No , we haven't think above about that . Huh . It's better than thi I think than a serial number . Sony uh T_R_ something uh f means nothing to me . Uh 1763.71 1766.02 1767.29 1770.21 1774.52 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1763.395 1766.088 1763.42 1765.95 How about you cook a how about you cook up a product name ? 1765.95 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1763.698 1765.009 1763.72 1764.63 Product name . 1764.63 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1763.806 1766.069 1763.806 1765.85 Yeah , name . 1765.27 1765.85 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1772.368 1773.676 1772.47 1773.53 Or fruit name . 1773.53 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1772.539 1778.062 1772.67 1778.062 Just oh , think of a catchy name . I'll be working on this until the beep until it beeps . So 1773.67 1774.67 1777.72 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1778.152 1779.128 1778.17 1779.03 Like fruit names . 1779.03 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1780.44 1787.966 1780.46 1787.88 Fruit name or something like that . The banana remote or something . I don't know . Yeah , it's the form of it . 1782.81 1785.4 1786.56 1786.87 1787.88 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1782.764 1783.793 1782.94 1783.65 What ? Fruit ? 1783.32 1783.65 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1784.995 1791.062 1785.03 1791.062 You don't want it to resemble a banana . It's not yellow anyway . It's not yellow anymore . It is curved , but 1787.54 1789.18 1790.23 1790.78 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1787.365 1789.966 1787.47 1789.42 The bana 'cause it's not yellow anymore . 1789.42 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1788.872 1790.633 1789.0 1790.633 Yeah oh , yeah . 1789.7 1790.47 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1791.304 1792.36 1791.33 1792.28 Uh yeah . 1792.28 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1793.453 1799.314 1793.53 1799.314 Well , uh I was going for the R_C_ deluxe , but it's not really a catchy name or anything , it's more 1794.1 1796.27 1798.71 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1793.531 1794.651 1793.531 1794.651 Uh - TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1799.035 1799.998 1799.18 1799.998 No , it's 1799.54 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1800.36 1805.96 1800.36 1805.96 Uh at least it's not something with numbers . Numbers are so meaningless to the people . I mean 1803.78 1805.62 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1801.381 1802.319 1801.41 1802.19 Hmm . 1802.19 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1805.123 1805.584 1805.18 1805.51 Yeah . 1805.51 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1807.752 1813.885 1807.77 1813.82 Something with our company name , can we do anything with that ? 1811.33 1813.82 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1807.79 1808.515 1807.87 1808.29 That's true . 1808.29 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1811.784 1812.456 1811.784 1812.456 . 1812.456 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1819.24 1820.867 1819.27 1820.71 Reaction , Real Reaction . 1819.92 1820.71 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1819.368 1821.992 1819.44 1821.83 Maybe there's something on the website which will help us out . 1821.83 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1829.256 1830.712 1829.67 1830.67 Real Reaction . 1830.67 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1830.76 1832.93 1830.93 1832.45 The reaction deluxe . 1832.45 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1831.448 1834.029 1831.55 1834.029 Real Reaction future R_C_ . 1833.67 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1836.28 1839.544 1836.3 1839.544 Step into the future of of remote controlling your T_V_ . 1839.26 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1839.688 1844.52 1839.688 1844.52 Is that a name or a c campaign ? Yeah . 1843.85 1844.11 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1842.056 1844.248 1842.09 1844.01 No that's a that's a catchy slogan . 1844.01 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1846.888 1847.467 1846.91 1847.467 Or the - TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1846.942 1848.36 1847.0 1848.32 Control your remote control . 1848.32 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1848.296 1849.512 1848.32 1849.46 The real reactor . 1849.46 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1850.824 1851.547 1850.98 1851.45 Real react . 1851.45 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1851.432 1853.656 1851.68 1853.62 I go for future R_C_ probably . 1853.62 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1854.84 1855.432 1854.86 1855.432 Something like - TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1856.978 1857.662 1857.0 1857.41 It's short f - TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1856.908 1860.888 1857.01 1860.53 The Real Reactor , I don't find that uh that bad at all . 1857.77 1860.53 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1857.416 1858.206 1857.416 1858.206 . 1858.206 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1861.576 1862.52 1861.6 1862.46 Real reactor ? 1862.46 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1862.632 1865.354 1862.65 1865.22 Yeah . Because our name is Real Reaction . 1863.85 1865.22 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1863.627 1866.195 1863.68 1865.93 You should write it down as a an option . 1865.93 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1863.969 1864.784 1864.01 1864.67 Uh that that's - TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1865.4 1866.63 1865.4 1866.63 . 1866.63 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1865.624 1870.68 1865.78 1870.2 That makes me think of different products than a remote control really . 1870.2 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1872.616 1874.424 1872.65 1874.424 I'm not sure . Real reaction in a real 1873.36 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1878.376 1879.032 1878.56 1878.99 Zapping . 1878.99 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1880.232 1880.792 1880.25 1880.792 The - TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1889.4 1890.52 1889.43 1890.42 So that's one option . 1890.42 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1890.054 1891.338 1890.23 1891.19 Real reactor . 1891.19 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1901.16 1901.688 1901.18 1901.6 Didn't notice . 1901.6 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1901.864 1907.907 1901.94 1907.77 I'm looking for things in the name . So that the first three letters are s the same . R_E_A_ R_E_A_ . 1904.56 1906.89 1907.77 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1903.984 1905.112 1904.09 1904.91 Mm . 1904.91 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1905.993 1908.248 1906.02 1908.248 Should I write the banana down or - TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1908.6 1909.42 1908.64 1909.29 Yeah , sure . 1908.95 1909.29 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1908.682 1910.856 1909.12 1910.82 I take f yeah , take a banana . 1910.17 1910.82 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1909.819 1910.313 1909.85 1910.19 Sure ? 1910.19 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1910.404 1911.869 1910.404 1911.73 The banana . 1911.73 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1913.208 1913.802 1913.24 1913.7 Hmm . 1913.7 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1913.459 1914.152 1913.59 1914.12 Remote . 1914.12 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1916.126 1918.554 1916.17 1918.35 Banana recei R_C_ . 1918.35 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1917.422 1923.672 1917.55 1923.53 The triple R_ . Real Reaction remotes control . Triple R_ . 1919.17 1922.99 1923.53 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1920.644 1921.288 1920.69 1921.19 Remote . 1921.19 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1922.184 1922.632 1922.27 1922.632 Well I - TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1924.678 1925.544 1924.73 1925.51 R_ three C_ . 1925.51 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1925.464 1927.096 1925.51 1927.096 Uh do you mean it like - TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1927.016 1927.368 1927.016 1927.368 ? 1927.368 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1928.168 1929.576 1928.22 1929.5 R_ three C_ . 1929.5 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1929.72 1930.504 1929.72 1930.34 yeah . 1930.34 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1930.6 1931.768 1930.62 1931.71 You mean it like this ? 1931.71 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1931.688 1932.248 1931.71 1932.248 Yeah , that 1931.9 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1932.104 1937.792 1932.18 1937.46 Real Reaction Remote Control . R_ three C_ . Oh yeah . 1935.52 1937.16 1937.46 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1933.632 1934.562 1933.632 1934.562 . 1934.562 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1937.247 1938.141 1937.247 1938.141 . 1938.141 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1937.137 1942.199 1937.36 1942.1 No , not like that . It should be it should be longer , because it's not a product name that you f print on a box . 1937.64 1938.34 1939.58 1942.1 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1941.16 1941.83 1941.19 1941.83 I think - TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1942.376 1944.484 1942.4 1943.99 triple R_ . Doesn't sound ? 1943.5 1943.99 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1943.518 1950.81 1943.62 1950.69 Just write out triple , like a word triple R_C_ , triple stripe Oh . Triple dash R_ dash s s C_ . 1944.92 1947.74 1948.92 1950.69 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1944.39 1945.625 1944.63 1945.54 Yeah , triple R_ . 1944.81 1945.54 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1947.79 1948.275 1947.88 1948.22 Yeah . 1948.22 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1948.933 1950.06 1948.95 1949.81 Triple R_C_ . 1949.81 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1949.023 1949.658 1949.07 1949.23 Ah . 1949.23 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1951.864 1953.192 1951.97 1953.1 The triple R_C_ , yeah . 1952.84 1953.1 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1953.368 1953.962 1953.48 1953.75 Yeah . 1953.75 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1956.84 1958.76 1957.07 1958.73 R_ s R_ three C_ . 1958.73 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1963.216 1963.943 1963.216 1963.943 . 1963.943 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1969.544 1970.808 1969.56 1970.77 R_ dash C_ . 1970.77 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1972.807 1973.912 1972.96 1973.74 Dash C_ ? 1973.74 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1973.211 1974.915 1973.43 1974.63 I think I like it like this more . 1974.63 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1973.993 1976.744 1974.05 1976.71 Dash . Triple R_ or triple R_C_ ? 1975.37 1976.71 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 1978.104 1980.584 1978.12 1980.54 Like a C_ right now or a dash in a C_ ? 1980.54 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1978.519 1979.704 1978.58 1979.62 Triple R_ dash . 1979.62 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1980.792 1981.64 1980.81 1981.61 How about do both ? 1981.61 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1985.016 1986.008 1985.04 1985.97 Sure if it looks stupid . 1985.97 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1989.672 1996.904 1989.7 1996.904 Uh I think that the the R_C_ together takes away the the the image of it's a triple - TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1996.628 1996.984 1996.72 1996.94 Hmm . 1996.94 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 1997.831 2007.279 1997.98 2007.22 Uh the first the first one looks like it's a triple remote control , but it's only a single remote control . And it's especially on the triple R_ that's important . The Real Reaction Remote . 2001.24 2003.33 2006.13 2007.22 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 1998.469 1998.825 1998.54 1998.74 Mm . 1998.74 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 1999.638 2000.156 1999.7 2000.156 That - TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 2005.808 2008.253 2005.808 2008.18 Yeah , this yeah . 2006.71 2008.18 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2006.036 2011.313 2006.12 2011.2 I would huh . I would lose the C_ and just name it triple R_ . 2007.84 2011.2 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 2010.606 2012.43 2010.72 2012.34 Is it triple R_C_s ? No . 2011.98 2012.34 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2013.544 2019.051 2013.57 2018.98 It sounds like uh thinking about two different things and combining it . I would just say triple R_s triple R_ 2017.11 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 2015.775 2016.616 2015.83 2016.57 Triple remote . 2016.57 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 2019.368 2019.896 2019.4 2019.8 Yeah . 2019.8 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 2021.565 2023.032 2021.63 2023.032 Yeah , triple R_ yeah , you can 2021.86 2022.72 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 2021.588 2023.096 2021.65 2022.98 Well , that's another option . 2021.95 2022.98 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2023.016 2024.92 2023.2 2024.77 That's also short , catchy . 2024.37 2024.77 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 2023.901 2024.765 2024.03 2024.53 It's okay . 2024.53 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 2027.273 2028.483 2027.273 2028.37 Yeah , triple R_ . 2027.67 2028.37 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 2027.321 2030.248 2027.34 2030.17 Okay , so which ones are we going to scratch 2027.8 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 2030.488 2035.976 2030.488 2035.976 The banana . Banana . 2033.96 2035.63 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 2031.384 2032.072 2031.4 2032.04 definitely ? 2032.04 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2032.648 2035.16 2033.17 2035.16 Banana . 2034.75 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 2033.197 2035.066 2033.59 2035.066 Banana remote . 2034.92 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 2036.232 2037.576 2036.34 2037.47 I say this one as well . 2037.47 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 2037.697 2039.32 2037.74 2039.28 Yeah , the deluxe . 2038.49 2039.28 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2039.408 2039.781 2039.408 2039.781 . 2039.781 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 2039.4 2042.635 2039.42 2042.53 I think we're all in agreement about the triple R_ . I think triple R_ is cool . 2041.43 2042.53 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2041.385 2041.895 2041.52 2041.86 Yes . 2041.86 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 2041.478 2043.544 2041.65 2043.51 The r triple R_ . 2043.51 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 2042.048 2042.68 2042.12 2042.64 Triple R_ ? 2042.64 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 2044.848 2045.795 2044.87 2045.72 Triple R_ it is . 2045.72 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 2044.888 2047.24 2044.91 2047.1 And it looks cool when you print it in font , looks pretty cool . 2046.36 2047.1 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 2044.936 2045.496 2045.07 2045.29 Yeah . 2045.29 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2048.984 2049.782 2048.984 2049.72 did you do now ? 2049.72 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 2050.24 2058.286 2050.31 2058.286 Just like this just and you just print triple R_ , it looks doesn't look bad , it's short , it's okay . So have to write my report now , I guess . Um 2052.67 2053.61 2054.34 2055.64 2056.98 2057.45 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2052.491 2052.902 2052.6 2052.77 Yeah . 2052.77 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2055.08 2055.464 2055.1 2055.3 Yeah . 2055.3 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 2061.011 2061.9 2061.13 2061.9 Um - TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 2067.112 2082.747 2067.17 2082.67 Yeah , so we have everything . We have the product , we have the costs , we have the possibility of everything . Okay . I think it's adjourned . Retire to my lair and finish the report . 2067.45 2069.07 2069.71 2072.53 2074.2 2075.27 2077.55 2082.67 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2071.56 2072.125 2071.67 2071.94 Yep . 2071.94 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 2072.596 2073.93 2072.76 2073.93 It can't work . That will not 2073.32 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 2084.104 2085.028 2084.12 2084.87 That was a short meeting . 2084.87 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2085.368 2085.752 2085.42 2085.69 Mm-hmm . 2085.69 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 2086.37 2087.465 2086.45 2087.19 But efficient though . 2087.19 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2088.728 2091.23 2088.76 2091.23 The boss is always the last one to go home . So 2090.91 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 2091.864 2098.822 2091.92 2098.63 Probably . See . Okay , goodbye . 2094.85 2095.72 2097.41 2098.63 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 2097.224 2097.861 2097.29 2097.64 Okay . 2097.64 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2098.552 2099.647 2098.61 2099.38 See you in a minute . 2099.38 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 2103.984 2104.504 2104.04 2104.17 Damn . 2104.17 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 2109.768 2111.718 2109.82 2111.57 I will write that one - TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 2115.502 2117.198 2115.6 2117.13 in a Word uh document . 2117.13 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2117.224 2117.88 2117.4 2117.7 Okay . 2117.7 TS3012d A MTD045PM 0 2157.234 2160.78 2157.32 2160.61 Could you guys draw me a picture of the final design to put on the cover of the report ? 2160.61 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 2160.19 2160.84 2160.24 2160.74 Yeah , sure . 2160.42 2160.74 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2163.976 2164.936 2164.0 2164.63 Can't we take this one ? 2164.63 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 2164.952 2165.81 2165.0 2165.62 Oh sh - TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2167.96 2169.87 2167.98 2169.75 Otherwise we have to do it all over again . 2169.75 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 2168.292 2169.14 2168.44 2169.14 Um - TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 2172.296 2175.712 2172.43 2175.54 I don't really know whether we can save it as a picture or no . 2175.54 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2176.321 2178.725 2176.47 2178.66 Is it okay if I try ? Is that okay with you ? 2177.74 2178.66 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 2177.948 2178.842 2178.07 2178.7 Sure . 2178.7 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 2178.05 2185.864 2178.12 2185.76 Yeah , okay , I will ask you when uh I need the information . So it's oh . 2178.49 2178.85 2182.54 2185.76 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2181.016 2182.217 2181.04 2182.14 I'll put it back in a minute . 2182.14 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2186.35 2189.832 2186.47 2189.74 Okay , it has been saving something , but where to I don't know . 2186.87 2188.15 2189.74 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 2188.765 2189.383 2188.81 2189.383 Uh - TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 2191.087 2191.729 2191.18 2191.48 Oh . 2191.48 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 2193.384 2194.127 2193.69 2194.06 Merge . 2194.06 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2193.832 2199.48 2193.91 2198.92 Oh , can I say exp yes , I can . Export as J_ PEG . 2194.55 2195.46 2197.83 2198.92 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 2195.555 2196.3 2195.58 2196.18 Sucks . 2196.18 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2208.363 2209.752 2208.363 2209.752 . 2209.752 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2211.352 2213.384 2211.51 2213.35 Okay , can I not put this 2211.77 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2214.792 2215.592 2214.82 2215.55 wherever I wants . 2215.55 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2218.232 2219.837 2218.25 2219.5 My document is the wrong one , huh . 2219.27 2219.5 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 2221.465 2222.056 2221.51 2222.056 Yeah , but 2221.8 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2222.76 2223.412 2222.8 2223.412 I cannot - TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 2223.074 2224.336 2223.18 2224.16 Network places . 2224.16 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 2223.181 2225.338 2223.2 2225.17 I don't know . Smart no . 2223.99 2225.17 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2225.832 2226.392 2225.832 2226.392 . 2226.392 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 2226.392 2231.968 2226.41 2231.86 Ma it's maybe it's not on the network of uh the rest . That one is . . 2230.83 2231.86 2231.86 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2230.248 2231.248 2230.34 2230.97 I don't think so . 2230.97 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2232.664 2233.7 2232.68 2233.59 Document and settings . 2233.59 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 2233.001 2234.552 2233.17 2234.5 I wouldn't pick that one , no . 2234.23 2234.5 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2238.985 2242.632 2239.06 2242.47 That's a pity . That means that we have to gonna draw it again . 2240.32 2242.47 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2247.24 2249.031 2247.28 2248.92 Are you gonna do that ? Okay . 2248.64 2248.92 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 2248.552 2249.607 2248.57 2249.48 Sure . Oh . 2249.32 2249.48 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2255.152 2255.488 2255.19 2255.488 That - TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2258.43 2258.942 2258.5 2258.87 Yes . 2258.87 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2260.959 2261.486 2261.02 2261.33 Okay . 2261.33 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2263.387 2264.005 2263.46 2263.81 Okay . 2263.81 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2265.453 2266.079 2265.58 2265.9 Okay . 2265.9 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2270.008 2270.858 2270.03 2270.82 Yes , that's correct . 2270.25 2270.82 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 2270.457 2270.909 2270.49 2270.8 Yeah . 2270.8 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 2277.336 2278.103 2277.43 2277.92 Okay . 2277.92 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2277.476 2278.464 2277.476 2278.32 Okay . 2278.32 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2284.037 2286.52 2284.18 2286.43 No . Oh , it's export . 2285.37 2285.56 2286.43 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 2286.827 2288.6 2286.91 2288.56 Oh yeah , . 2288.56 2288.56 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2292.56 2293.045 2292.67 2292.91 Okay . 2292.91 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 2293.624 2298.453 2293.64 2298.453 Can I see scores ? Uh , one one , two threes , two 2294.59 2296.57 2297.23 2298.04 TS3012d C MTD046ID 2 2294.488 2295.764 2294.62 2295.73 Oh , of course . Sorry . 2294.7 2295.43 2295.73 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 2300.031 2303.332 2300.11 2303.13 Okay , then we'll overall , two points . Yes . 2300.26 2301.47 2302.78 2303.13 TS3012d B MTD047UID 1 2306.687 2307.906 2306.89 2307.65 I see you later . 2307.65 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 2307.749 2308.547 2308.04 2308.25 Yeah . 2308.25 TS3012d D MTD048ME 3 2323.88 2324.483 2323.9 2324.39 Mm . 2324.39 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3.168 3.968 3.34 3.88 'Kay . 3.88 EN2001a A MEE068 0 5.496 6.07 5.57 5.94 Okay . 5.94 EN2001a E MEO069 4 5.463 6.103 5.6 6.01 Gosh . 6.01 EN2001a E MEO069 4 10.454 10.953 10.48 10.88 'Kay . 10.88 EN2001a A MEE068 0 11.04 15.632 11.09 15.53 Does anyone want to see uh Steve's feedback from the specification ? 15.53 EN2001a E MEO069 4 16.736 18.146 16.77 18.05 Is there much more in it than he d - EN2001a D MEE067 3 16.98 19.758 17.08 19.61 I I dry-read it the last time . . 19.61 19.61 EN2001a A MEE068 0 18.883 19.373 18.95 19.26 Right . 19.26 EN2001a E MEO069 4 18.985 20.816 19.01 20.77 Is there much more in it than he said yesterday ? 20.77 EN2001a A MEE068 0 21.392 25.857 21.41 25.77 Not really , um just what he's talking about , like duplication of effort and 22.33 24.12 EN2001a E MEO069 4 22.928 23.312 22.98 23.27 Mm . 23.27 EN2001a E MEO069 4 25.001 27.472 25.08 27.44 Hmm . Hmm ? 27.02 27.44 EN2001a A MEE068 0 28.033 40.152 28.09 40.05 Like duplication of effort and stuff , and um yeah , he was saying that we should maybe uh think about having a prototype for week six , which is next week . Yeah . 29.86 33.0 38.48 39.62 40.05 EN2001a D MEE067 3 38.661 39.467 38.78 39.41 Next week . 39.41 EN2001a A MEE068 0 42.224 47.618 42.24 47.46 So we should probably prioritize our packages . 47.46 EN2001a E MEO069 4 46.352 85.233 46.83 85.08 Yeah , now I'd say if for the prototype if we just like wherever possible p chunk in the stuff that we have um pre-annotated and stuff , and for the stuff that we don't have pre-annotated write like a stupid baseline , then we should probably be able to basically that means we focus on on the interface first sort of , so that we we take the the ready-made parts and just see how we get them work together in the interface the way we want and and then we have a working prototype . And then we can go back and replace pieces either by our own components or by more sophisticated compo po components of our own . So it's probably feasible . The thing is I'm away this weekend . So that's for me 47.07 56.24 59.7 64.41 70.99 78.29 79.91 82.61 EN2001a A MEE068 0 56.535 57.029 56.64 56.89 Mm . 56.89 EN2001a B FEO066 1 78.696 79.168 78.81 79.13 Yeah . 79.13 EN2001a A MEE068 0 79.967 80.541 80.02 80.38 Yeah . 80.38 EN2001a B FEO066 1 84.208 94.825 84.38 94.71 Yeah , I mean if we just want to have um some data for the user face , could even be random data . Uh mm mm 84.72 91.37 94.32 EN2001a E MEO069 4 92.885 112.977 93.23 112.89 Oh yeah , um yeah . No . But also I might like the the similarity thing , like my just my matrix itself for my stuff , I c I I think I can do that fairly quickly because I have the algorithms . Yeah , I think today's meeting is really the one where we where we sort of settle down the data structure and as soon as we have that , uh probably like after today's meeting , we then actually need to 93.56 93.94 94.19 96.99 100.03 104.26 104.39 110.43 111.87 EN2001a D MEE067 3 93.699 94.332 93.75 94.23 Yeah . 94.23 EN2001a B FEO066 1 103.984 104.692 104.0 104.58 Yeah , I'm 104.33 EN2001a D MEE067 3 109.712 110.27 109.77 110.22 Yeah . 110.22 EN2001a E MEO069 4 114.576 126.784 114.6 126.65 well go back first of all and look at NITE X_M_L_ to see in how far that that which we want is compatible with that which NITE X_M_L_ offers us . And then just sort of everyone make sure everyone understand the interface . 121.77 126.65 EN2001a A MEE068 0 121.848 122.231 121.94 122.14 Yeah . 122.14 EN2001a E MEO069 4 128.992 157.422 129.11 157.37 So I think if today we decide on what data we wanna have now , and and later , maybe even today , we go and look at NITE X_M_L_ or some of us look at NITE X_M_L_ in a bit more detail , just trying to make some sense of that code and see how does the representation work in their system . And then sort of with that knowledge we should be able to then say okay , that type of NITE X_M_L_ data we wanna load into it , and this is how everyone can access it , and then we should be able to go from there . 134.68 135.36 136.29 139.61 145.34 148.23 151.41 154.22 157.37 EN2001a A MEE068 0 155.456 161.802 155.48 161.69 Hmm . Has has anyone actually looked at the Java code for the , huh ? Hmm . 156.35 160.55 161.4 161.69 EN2001a E MEO069 4 159.725 160.349 159.79 160.24 No . 160.24 EN2001a D MEE067 3 160.252 160.784 160.34 160.72 No . 160.72 EN2001a E MEO069 4 161.552 198.046 161.57 197.57 I've looked looked at the documentation and n like seen enough to make me think that we want to use the NITE X_M_L_ framework because um they have a good a event model that synchronizes sort of the data and and every display element . So that takes a lot of work away from us . Sort of that would be a reason for staying within their framework and using their general classes . But beyond that I haven't looked at it at all , which is something we should really do . Who actually like for this whole discussion I mean , who of us is doing stuff that is happening on-line and who of us is doing stuff that's happening off-line ? Like my data is coming c 174.88 177.61 181.62 184.96 187.1 189.31 196.26 EN2001a A MEE068 0 186.784 187.692 186.8 187.52 Yeah , I think so . 187.18 187.52 EN2001a E MEO069 4 210.56 210.882 210.58 210.74 Hmm ? 210.74 EN2001a C FEO065 2 211.312 220.896 211.33 220.58 The basic word importance is off-line as well . The combined measure might not be if we want to wait what the user has typed in into the search . 214.42 220.58 EN2001a E MEO069 4 213.136 213.689 213.16 213.63 Yeah . 213.63 EN2001a E MEO069 4 218.33 218.954 218.42 218.86 Okay . 218.86 EN2001a E MEO069 4 220.946 221.611 221.0 221.49 Okay . 221.49 EN2001a D MEE067 3 222.016 232.245 222.11 232.21 Uh mine's gonna be mostly using the off-line . But the actual stuff it's doing will be on-line . But it won't be very um processor intensive or memory intensive , I don't think . 225.38 227.28 231.65 232.21 EN2001a E MEO069 4 228.896 229.353 228.97 229.3 'Kay . 229.3 EN2001a E MEO069 4 231.608 250.619 231.74 250.49 So basically apart from the display module , the i the display itself , we don't have an extremely high degree of interaction between sort of our modules that create the stuff and and the interface , so the interface is mainly while it's running just working on data that's just loaded from a file , I guess . 235.36 236.51 244.71 250.02 250.49 EN2001a E MEO069 4 252.215 252.895 252.25 252.73 There isn't - EN2001a A MEE068 0 252.231 257.619 252.27 257.5 Yeah , I I don't know about the search functionality , that might be online . Depends how it's gonna work . 252.47 254.46 256.38 257.5 EN2001a B FEO066 1 252.964 253.654 253.03 253.5 Hmm . 253.5 EN2001a E MEO069 4 257.617 293.184 257.88 293.12 Yeah , I know . Th Yeah , the search is I guess the search is sort of a strange beast anyway because for the search we're leaving the NITE X_M_L_ framework . Um but that's still sort of that's good . That means that at least like we don't have the type of situation where somebody has to do like a billion calculations on on data on-line . 'Cause that would make it a lot more like that would mean that our interface for the data would have to be a lot more careful about how it performs and and everything . And nobody is modifying that data at at on-line time at all it seems . Nobody's making any changes to the actual data on-line . 258.17 258.36 258.74 265.85 269.34 278.25 285.18 289.68 293.12 EN2001a A MEE068 0 265.748 266.307 265.84 266.2 Yeah . 266.2 EN2001a D MEE067 3 294.844 295.658 294.86 295.53 Don't think so . 295.53 EN2001a E MEO069 4 295.632 306.24 295.65 306.14 So that's actually making it a lot easier . That basically means our browser really is a viewer mostly , which isn't doing much with the data except for sort of selecting a piece piece of it and and displaying it . 297.16 300.29 306.14 EN2001a D MEE067 3 297.283 297.694 297.33 297.64 Yeah . 297.64 EN2001a D MEE067 3 310.9 315.739 310.94 315.6 Are we still gonna go for dumping it into a database ? Are we still gonna dump it into a database ? 313.59 315.6 EN2001a E MEO069 4 313.376 313.69 313.4 313.58 Hmm ? 313.58 EN2001a E MEO069 4 316.096 319.873 316.12 319.83 Well some parts relevant for the search , yes . I'd say so . 317.78 318.86 319.83 EN2001a D MEE067 3 320.153 325.377 320.21 325.29 'Cause if we are , I reckon we should all read our classes out of the database . It'll be so much easier . 321.03 324.05 325.29 EN2001a E MEO069 4 325.808 326.147 325.84 326.08 Hmm ? 326.08 EN2001a D MEE067 3 326.672 342.101 326.69 342.02 Well if we're gonna dump the part of it into a database anyway , we might as well dump all the fields we want into the database , calculate everything from there . Then we don't even have to worry that much about the underlying X_M_L_ representation . We can just query it . 330.15 333.96 336.18 341.1 342.02 EN2001a E MEO069 4 343.288 347.204 343.38 347.15 Yeah , but nobody of us is doing much of searching from the data in the on-line stage . 343.5 347.15 EN2001a E MEO069 4 348.8 392.893 348.82 392.85 And for all together , like the display itself , I think we are easier if we if it's sitting on the X_M_L_ than if it's sitting on the S_Q_L_ stuff , because if it's sitting on the X_M_L_ , we have the the NITE X_M_L_ framework with all its functionality for synchronizing through all the different levels whenever there's a change , whenever something's moving forward and stuff . And we can just more or less look at their code , like how their player moves forward , and how that moving forward is represented in different windows and stuff . So I think in the actual browser itself I don't wanna sit on the S_Q_L_ if we can sit on the X_M_L_ because sitting on the X_M_L_ we have all we have so much help . And for y for like the p the calculations that we're doing apart from the search , it seems that everyone needs some special representations anyway . 349.99 351.21 356.25 357.59 368.16 369.68 371.46 372.77 375.73 384.4 390.02 392.85 EN2001a D MEE067 3 393.623 398.97 393.66 398.87 Well if we're gonna do that , we should try and store everything in in an X_M_L_ format as well . 394.59 398.87 EN2001a E MEO069 4 400.096 408.332 400.12 408.29 You mean our results ? Yeah , in in the NITE X_M_L_ X_M_L_ format , so with their time stamps and stuff , so that it's easy to to tie together st things . 401.65 402.12 404.37 406.02 408.29 EN2001a D MEE067 3 401.168 401.586 401.19 401.52 Yeah . 401.52 EN2001a B FEO066 1 406.304 406.946 406.39 406.85 Yes . 406.85 EN2001a D MEE067 3 408.146 408.645 408.25 408.56 Yeah . 408.56 EN2001a E MEO069 4 411.664 442.479 411.68 442.42 What I'm like what we have to think about is if we go with this multi-level idea , like this idea that sort of if you start with a whole meeting series as one entity , as one thing that you display , as one whole sort of , that then the individual chunks of the individual meetings , whereas and then you can click on a meeting , and then sort of the meeting is the whole thing and the chunks are the individual segments , that means sort of we have multiple levels of of representation , which we probably 417.11 422.38 423.82 425.69 430.89 432.55 437.79 441.43 EN2001a E MEO069 4 443.826 484.793 443.88 484.7 If we if we do it this way like we f we have to discuss that if we do it this way , then we should probably find some abstraction model , so that the interface in the sense like deals with it as if it's same so that the interface doesn't really have to worry whether it's a meeting in the whole meeting series or a segment within a meeting , you know what I mean ? And that's probably stuff that we have to sort of like process twice then . Like for example that like the summary of a meeting within the whole meeting corpus or meeting series y is meeting series a good word for that ? I don't really know what how to call it . You know what I mean , like not not the whole corpus , but every meeting that has to do with one topic . Um so in in the meeting se series so that a summary for a meeting within the meeting series , are sort of 447.46 449.87 460.15 461.86 465.0 472.94 474.26 474.7 476.27 480.09 484.31 EN2001a A MEE068 0 460.928 461.345 460.98 461.22 Mm-hmm . 461.22 EN2001a B FEO066 1 461.248 461.724 461.27 461.69 Hmm yes . 461.69 EN2001a B FEO066 1 474.744 475.218 474.82 475.0 Hmm . 475.0 EN2001a A MEE068 0 479.6 480.439 479.62 480.4 Yeah , that makes sense . 479.75 480.4 EN2001a E MEO069 4 486.498 494.792 486.61 494.66 compiled off-line by a summary module . And that is separate from a summary of a segment within a meeting . 'Cause I don't think we can 489.16 493.76 EN2001a B FEO066 1 494.304 496.64 494.304 496.47 I'm not so sure . 496.47 EN2001a D MEE067 3 494.463 510.886 494.53 510.79 Well we don't even need to do that , 'cause if we got our information density calculated off-line , so all we do is treat the whole lot as one massive document . I mean they'll it's not gonna be so big that we can't load in a information density for every utterance . And we can just summarise based on that . 496.08 498.89 502.47 509.12 510.79 EN2001a B FEO066 1 511.504 528.608 511.55 528.45 I I thought we would just have like um one big summary um with all the uh different importance levels um displayed on it . And depending on what our um zoom level is , we just display a part of it . 522.34 526.76 528.45 EN2001a E MEO069 4 528.864 531.578 529.21 531.52 So are we doing that at all levels ? Are we um 530.66 EN2001a B FEO066 1 531.76 538.756 531.82 538.59 And we would have one very big thing off-line . And from that we would just select what we are displaying . 535.94 538.59 EN2001a E MEO069 4 538.656 542.237 538.68 542.09 And just have different like fine-grainedness levels sort of . 542.09 EN2001a B FEO066 1 542.016 554.21 542.04 554.08 Yes . So for example you would um give a high value to those um sequences you want to display in the meeting series summary . And you just cut off . 542.85 552.76 554.08 EN2001a E MEO069 4 548.261 548.82 548.38 548.73 Mm . 548.73 EN2001a E MEO069 4 551.776 565.699 551.8 565.66 'Kay . So the only thing that yeah , so the only thing that would happen basically if I double-click let's say from the whole meeting series on a single meeting , is that the zoom level changes . Like the th the start and the end position changes and the zoom level changes . 552.33 554.19 559.66 561.64 565.66 EN2001a B FEO066 1 566.048 569.101 566.07 569.03 That was what I sh I thought , yeah . I thought . 568.0 568.37 569.03 EN2001a D MEE067 3 567.799 569.337 567.86 569.25 I think you can do it on-line . 569.25 EN2001a E MEO069 4 568.044 574.184 568.09 574.0 I I thought we couldn't do that . Like I was under the impression that we couldn't do that because we couldn't load the data for all that . 570.41 574.0 EN2001a E MEO069 4 576.032 577.264 576.05 577.23 But I don't know , I mean that 576.84 EN2001a A MEE068 0 578.272 578.764 578.29 578.58 Hmm . 578.58 EN2001a D MEE067 3 578.896 594.652 578.92 594.58 I don't think there's really much point in doing like that when it's just gonna feed off in the end the information density measure basically . And that's all calculated off-line . So what you're really doing is sorting a list , is the p computationally hard part of it . 587.16 588.85 592.39 594.58 EN2001a E MEO069 4 596.448 599.108 596.47 599.03 So I'm s not sure if I got it . I was 598.65 EN2001a D MEE067 3 598.809 627.535 598.84 627.46 Well like the ideas we're calculating are information density all off-line first for every utterance in the whole corpus , right ? So what you do is you say if you're looking at a series of meetings , you just say well our whole document comprises of all these stuck together . And then all you have to do is sort them by j information density . Like maybe weighted with the search terms , and then extract them . I don't think it's too slow to do on-line , to be honest . 606.25 606.9 609.66 614.97 620.18 623.08 623.82 626.97 627.46 EN2001a E MEO069 4 605.088 606.921 605.12 606.87 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 606.22 606.87 EN2001a E MEO069 4 613.824 614.268 613.86 614.12 Mm-hmm . 614.12 EN2001a E MEO069 4 617.856 618.257 617.88 618.16 Mm-hmm . 618.16 EN2001a E MEO069 4 620.752 621.178 620.77 621.13 Okay . 621.13 EN2001a E MEO069 4 622.624 623.459 622.64 623.35 So - EN2001a E MEO069 4 626.62 640.359 626.69 640.19 Okay . I wa I was just worried about the total memory complexity of it . But I I completely admit , I mean , I just sort of like th took that from some thing that Jonathan once said about not loading everything . But maybe I was just wrong about it . How many utterances w 628.09 631.02 632.03 632.24 637.96 639.25 EN2001a D MEE067 3 639.006 639.78 639.26 639.65 Is that - EN2001a B FEO066 1 639.565 657.248 639.64 657.07 But I think the m difference might be that we want just want to have um the words . And that's not so much what he meant with not possibly loading everything was that you m um load all the uh annotation stuff , all the sound files , all 645.18 655.45 656.7 EN2001a E MEO069 4 651.727 660.648 651.85 660.47 Yeah , and I w yeah . Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . So what we have is we would have a word . 652.02 654.36 655.9 656.78 657.63 660.47 EN2001a D MEE067 3 654.374 654.848 654.45 654.76 Yeah . 654.76 EN2001a A MEE068 0 655.366 655.85 655.47 655.68 Hmm . 655.68 EN2001a E MEO069 4 662.304 686.548 662.32 686.48 Like we would have words with some priority levels . And they would basically be because even the selection would would the summaries automatically feed from just how prioritized an individual word or how indiv uh prioritized an individual utterance is ? Or i are the summaries sort of refined from it and made by a machine to make sentences and stuff ? Or are they just sort of taking out the words with the highest priority and then the words of the second highest priority ? 665.69 676.27 681.43 686.48 EN2001a D MEE067 3 685.657 692.683 685.69 692.54 Well , on the utterance level I was thinking . So the utterances with the highest like mean information density . 686.05 688.29 692.54 EN2001a E MEO069 4 688.288 689.987 688.31 689.89 And the u okay . 689.89 EN2001a E MEO069 4 692.005 696.778 692.06 696.7 Are we doing it on th the whole thing on the utterance level ? Or are we doing it on word level , like the information density calculation ? 693.95 695.0 696.7 EN2001a B FEO066 1 692.167 693.856 692.34 693.856 In - EN2001a D MEE067 3 695.675 703.343 695.7 703.25 Well the trouble with doing it on the word level is if you want the audio to synch up , you've got no way of getting in and extracting just that word . I mean it's impossible . 698.83 702.38 703.25 EN2001a E MEO069 4 703.872 718.305 703.9 718.2 We I think we have start and end times for words actually , but it's yeah , but it m it might s but it might sound crazy in the player . We should really maybe we can do that together at some point today that we check out how the player works . But there's maybe some merit in altogether doing it on an utterance level in the end . 705.96 707.36 709.73 714.72 718.2 EN2001a D MEE067 3 705.874 708.452 705.89 708.38 For every single word ? Oh , okay . 707.82 707.91 708.38 EN2001a C FEO065 2 707.022 707.663 707.16 707.48 Yeah . 707.48 EN2001a D MEE067 3 710.224 710.671 710.24 710.5 Yeah . 710.5 EN2001a D MEE067 3 713.91 716.514 713.95 716.4 I don't think that will do it . We'll have to buffer it . 715.49 716.4 EN2001a B FEO066 1 715.531 733.581 715.64 733.42 Um I r I I'm getting quite lost um at the moment because um w what's um our difference between the um se um uh the importance measure and the skimming ? I mean , do we do both or is it the same thing ? 730.59 731.09 733.42 EN2001a E MEO069 4 720.261 720.685 720.33 720.54 So - EN2001a D MEE067 3 734.064 736.297 734.08 736.26 Well the skimming's gonna use the importance . 736.26 EN2001a E MEO069 4 736.63 737.113 736.67 737.08 Yeah . 737.08 EN2001a B FEO066 1 737.216 737.7 737.24 737.63 Okay . 737.63 EN2001a D MEE067 3 738.432 740.967 738.45 740.84 But like at first it's just gonna be I_D_F_ . 740.84 EN2001a B FEO066 1 738.976 745.38 739.0 745.27 So but when when we talk about summaries you talk about this uh abo about skimming and not about - EN2001a D MEE067 3 744.931 746.336 745.02 746.3 Well mostly skimming , yeah . 746.07 746.3 EN2001a E MEO069 4 746.684 764.714 746.75 764.714 Well but also about the displays , I mean the displays in the in the text body , in the in the latest draft that we had sort of we came up with the idea that it isn't displaying utterance for utterance , but it's also displaying uh a summarised version in you know , like below the below the graph , the part . Maybe 748.18 750.85 755.53 760.28 761.77 763.7 EN2001a B FEO066 1 762.416 762.896 762.51 762.79 Yeah . 762.79 EN2001a E MEO069 4 766.464 767.012 766.49 766.94 Yeah , r 766.9 EN2001a B FEO066 1 766.711 770.345 766.8 770.06 Yeah right , isn't that the skimming ? Isn't that the skimming ? 767.03 768.99 770.06 EN2001a E MEO069 4 768.543 768.859 768.58 768.76 Hmm ? 768.76 EN2001a E MEO069 4 769.911 774.515 769.96 774.36 Oh yeah , f it's just like there there's like audio skimming and there's displayed skimming . 770.33 774.36 EN2001a B FEO066 1 774.199 775.996 774.27 775.88 Yeah , but it use the same data . 774.43 775.88 EN2001a E MEO069 4 777.04 792.798 777.06 792.71 Yeah . Ma maybe there's some merit of going altogether for utterance level and not even bother to calculate I mean if you have to do it internally , then you can do it . But maybe like not even store the importance levels for individual words and just sort of rank utterances as a whole . 778.82 785.04 785.49 792.71 EN2001a D MEE067 3 777.408 777.801 777.43 777.74 Yeah . 777.74 EN2001a D MEE067 3 792.095 800.563 792.21 800.46 Well the nice thing about that is it will automatically be in sentences . Well more or less . So it will make more sense , and if you get just extract words . 795.63 797.85 799.0 800.46 EN2001a E MEO069 4 795.61 795.959 795.68 795.86 Hmm ? 795.86 EN2001a E MEO069 4 797.216 797.864 797.24 797.75 Yeah . 797.75 EN2001a E MEO069 4 799.208 811.183 799.23 811.13 'Cause it it might be better skimming and less memory required at the same time . And I mean if you if you know how to do it for individual words , then you can just in the worst case , if you can't find anything else , just sort of make the mean of the words over the utterance . You know what I mean ? 803.3 805.81 807.23 808.22 810.57 811.13 EN2001a C FEO065 2 811.495 816.501 811.59 816.31 I'm not quite so what it did you want to do it , i you just wanted to assign 814.26 EN2001a E MEO069 4 812.723 814.727 813.13 814.67 W it's it's - EN2001a E MEO069 4 816.773 822.544 816.86 822.48 Well what's the smallest chunk at the moment you're thinking of of assigning an importance measure to , is it a word or is it an utterance ? 821.08 822.48 EN2001a C FEO065 2 822.88 824.39 822.9 824.36 Uh I thought about words . 824.36 EN2001a E MEO069 4 824.586 830.024 825.1 829.94 So we're thinking of like maybe just storing it on a per utterance level . 829.94 EN2001a E MEO069 4 832.176 856.055 832.2 856.0 Because it's it's less stuff to store probably for Dave in the in the audio playing . And for in the display it's probably better if you have whole utterances than I don't know , like what it's like if you just take single words out of utterances . That probably doesn't make any sense at all , whereas if you just uh show important utterances but the utterance as a whole it makes more sense . So it doesn't actually make a difference for your algorithm , 'cause it just means that if you're working on a word level , then we just mean it over the utterance . 835.71 839.27 843.74 845.07 849.12 850.78 853.08 856.0 EN2001a C FEO065 2 833.825 834.623 833.96 834.38 Mm . 834.38 EN2001a B FEO066 1 842.08 842.892 842.15 842.69 Yeah . 842.69 EN2001a B FEO066 1 843.997 844.945 844.33 844.85 A - EN2001a D MEE067 3 846.368 846.959 846.5 846.84 Yeah . 846.84 EN2001a B FEO066 1 855.143 870.832 855.29 870.67 And , yeah , I think we also thought about combining that measure with um the measures I get from um s uh hot-spots and so on . So that would also be on utterance level , I think . I think . 855.93 856.13 865.49 869.07 870.09 870.67 EN2001a C FEO065 2 855.402 856.333 855.53 856.12 Mm okay . 856.12 EN2001a E MEO069 4 865.099 865.973 865.19 865.78 They are on - EN2001a E MEO069 4 869.328 873.273 869.37 873.19 Oh so that's good anyway then , yeah . Because that makes it a lot easier than to t put it on utterance level . 870.39 870.75 873.19 EN2001a D MEE067 3 870.204 870.93 870.34 870.88 I see it . 870.88 EN2001a D MEE067 3 872.483 880.507 872.5 880.42 But it'll need to be calculated at word level though because otherwise there won't be enough occurrences of the terms to make any meaningful sense . 880.42 EN2001a E MEO069 4 879.424 891.241 879.58 891.17 Oh yeah . No but I mean like how how Jasmine does it internally I don't know , but it's probably , yeah , you probably have to work on word levels for importance . But there should be ways of easily going from a word level to an utterance level . Okay . 879.94 882.94 883.59 883.73 885.8 890.83 891.17 EN2001a D MEE067 3 884.058 884.557 884.15 884.44 Yeah . 884.44 EN2001a D MEE067 3 889.638 892.315 889.74 892.28 Yeah , I reckon you can just mean it over the sentence . 889.95 892.28 EN2001a C FEO065 2 890.967 898.816 891.04 898.75 Yeah , but how about those words which don't carry any meaning at all , the um and uhs and something like that . 891.82 896.09 898.75 EN2001a E MEO069 4 900.894 901.692 901.06 901.51 Yeah , prob 901.3 EN2001a C FEO065 2 901.28 917.211 901.3 916.88 Because if we if we average average over over a whole utterance all the words , and there are quite unimportant words in there , but quite important words as well , I think we should just disregard the the 907.75 910.54 912.97 EN2001a D MEE067 3 901.858 903.479 901.92 903.35 I think we should filter them . 903.35 EN2001a E MEO069 4 906.56 906.982 906.58 906.88 Hmm . 906.88 EN2001a D MEE067 3 917.097 930.65 917.14 930.49 Maybe we should have like um a cut-off . So it a w word only gets a value if it's above a certain threshold . So anything that has less than say nought point five importance gets assigned to zero . 919.99 925.27 930.49 EN2001a C FEO065 2 925.287 926.093 925.287 925.95 Okay . 925.95 EN2001a C FEO065 2 930.971 931.378 931.05 931.28 Alright . 931.28 EN2001a E MEO069 4 931.248 944.543 931.27 944.46 Well we do a pre-filtering of sort of the whole thing , sort of like but that , like the problem with that is it's easy to do in the text level . But that would mean it would still play the uh in your audio , unless we sort of also store what pieces we cut out for the audio . 933.49 934.99 937.12 939.82 944.46 EN2001a D MEE067 3 933.312 934.472 933.33 934.4 Yeah , that's the other th 933.75 EN2001a D MEE067 3 939.378 939.91 939.47 939.84 Yeah . 939.84 EN2001a E MEO069 4 948.725 958.115 948.79 958.03 Yeah . I think before we can like answer that specific question how we c deal with that , it's probably good for us to look at what the audio player is capable of doing . 949.93 954.33 958.03 EN2001a D MEE067 3 958.192 963.527 958.21 963.48 I think we'll have to buffer the audio . But I don't think it will be very hard . I think it would be like an hour or two's work . 959.98 961.67 963.48 EN2001a E MEO069 4 960.304 960.868 960.33 960.81 Yes . 960.81 EN2001a E MEO069 4 964.448 967.376 964.47 967.3 So what do you mean by buffering ? Like you think directly feeding 965.54 EN2001a D MEE067 3 966.253 970.556 966.3 970.45 Like just build an another f wave file essentially . 970.45 EN2001a A MEE068 0 970.576 972.493 970.6 972.37 Yeah , you just concatenate them together . 970.74 972.37 EN2001a E MEO069 4 971.168 976.881 971.29 976.81 But yeah , but not but not stored on the hard disk and then loaded in , but loaded in directly from memory . 972.54 975.26 976.81 EN2001a D MEE067 3 971.743 974.284 971.79 974.14 Yeah , I mean I bet there would be packages 972.14 EN2001a D MEE067 3 976.289 984.04 976.39 983.99 In memory , yeah . So just like unp there's bound to be like a media wave object or something like that . And just build one in memory . 976.91 977.66 982.5 983.99 EN2001a E MEO069 4 982.579 989.969 982.61 989.85 But it's probably a stream if it exists in Java , it would be probably some binary stream going in of some type . Okay , yeah . 985.0 988.96 989.55 989.85 EN2001a D MEE067 3 987.265 997.501 987.31 997.4 I don't know . I have no idea . But it must have like classes for dealing with files . And if it has classes for concatenating files , you can do it in memory . So 987.77 989.44 992.97 995.43 997.21 EN2001a E MEO069 4 995.717 1016.557 995.86 1016.5 Okay . Okay , so I mean so that means that there's probably , even if you go on an per utterance level , there's still some merit on within utterances cutting out stuff which clearly isn't relevant at all , and that maybe also for the audio we'd have to do . So let's say we play the whole au phrase , but then in addition to that , we have some information that says minus that part of something . That's okay , that we can do . 996.96 997.16 999.72 1001.5 1005.67 1007.41 1010.21 1011.31 1015.36 1015.81 1016.5 EN2001a D MEE067 3 1016.576 1032.699 1016.6 1032.62 Well what I think I might try and build is basically a class that you just feed it a linked list of um different wave-forms , and it will just string them all together with maybe , I don't know , tenth of a second silence in between each one or something like that . 1026.14 1028.61 1029.48 1032.62 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1032.073 1071.811 1032.14 1071.7 Yeah , maybe even I mean that's sort of that depends on how how advanced we get . If maybe if we realise that there's massive differences in in gain or in something , you can probably just make some simple simple normalization , but that really depends on how much time we have and and how much is necessary . Yeah , if like I d I don't know anything about audio and I have never seen the player . So if you find that the player accepts some n input from memory , and if it's easy to do , then I guess that's that's fairly doable . So but that means in the general structure we're actually quite lucky , so we we have we load into memory for the whole series of meetings just the utterances and rankings for the utterances and some information probably that says , well , the I guess that goes with the utterance , who's speaking . 1032.58 1036.33 1040.19 1043.05 1046.13 1046.43 1049.59 1053.44 1054.27 1056.45 1058.48 1069.16 1069.68 1070.85 1071.7 EN2001a D MEE067 3 1041.048 1042.337 1041.16 1042.28 Normalise it , yeah . 1041.97 1042.28 EN2001a D MEE067 3 1072.758 1074.238 1072.83 1074.15 Oh yeah , yeah , we'll need that . 1073.34 1073.63 1074.15 EN2001a B FEO066 1 1073.296 1074.096 1073.32 1074.05 Yes , sure . 1073.72 1074.05 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1073.513 1075.888 1073.53 1075.76 Because then we can also do the display about who's speaking . 1075.76 EN2001a D MEE067 3 1076.168 1079.185 1076.21 1079.11 We also really wanna be able to search by who's speaking as well . 1079.11 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1080.176 1080.773 1080.2 1080.63 Yeah . 1080.63 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1083.392 1093.311 1083.65 1093.19 But I'm I'm still confused 'cause I thought like that's just what Jonathan said we do c that we can't do , like load a massive document of that size . On the other hand 1088.15 1092.44 EN2001a D MEE067 3 1092.367 1095.436 1092.42 1095.29 It doesn't matter , 'cause all the calculation's done off-line . 1093.0 1095.29 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1100.122 1107.706 1100.14 1107.64 The other hand , I mean it shouldn't be like should be like fifty mega-byte in RAM or something , it shouldn't be massive , should it ? Actually fifty hundred megabyte is quite big in RAM . 1100.43 1103.4 1104.33 1105.47 1107.64 EN2001a A MEE068 0 1105.927 1106.397 1105.95 1106.27 Hmm . 1106.27 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1115.968 1118.441 1115.99 1118.35 Just thinking , what's the simp so 1116.64 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1120.096 1134.94 1120.12 1134.83 We do get an error message with the project if we load everything into the project with all the data they load . So we know that doesn't work . So our hope is essentially that we load less into it . What's this lazy loading thing , somebody explain lazy loading to me . 1126.5 1128.18 1131.68 1133.03 1134.83 EN2001a B FEO066 1 1131.056 1131.52 1131.12 1131.48 Yes . 1131.48 EN2001a A MEE068 0 1131.44 1131.818 1131.46 1131.77 Yeah . 1131.77 EN2001a A MEE068 0 1134.406 1142.255 1134.46 1142.22 It just means it loads on demand . It only loads when it needs a particular type of file . Like when it's being accessed . 1136.26 1141.09 1142.22 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1141.976 1160.252 1142.0 1160.1 Ah , okay . So that is that only by type of file . Like if if if the same thing is in different files , would it then maybe like , you know , if if utterances are split over three or ten or w hundred different files , is then a chance maybe that it doesn't try to load them all into memory at the same time , but just 1142.23 1143.33 1145.81 1148.21 1150.3 1150.56 1156.34 1159.69 EN2001a A MEE068 0 1160.736 1164.42 1160.76 1164.37 Yeah , I think that's the idea , it just loads the particular ones it needs . 1160.95 1161.73 1164.37 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1163.354 1167.369 1163.4 1167.33 So why does it fail then in the first place ? Then it shouldn't ever fail , because then it should never 1165.07 1166.16 EN2001a A MEE068 0 1167.464 1170.307 1167.5 1170.23 But if you were doing a search over the whole corpus you'd have to load them all . 1170.23 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1169.395 1177.178 1169.51 1177.11 Yeah , but yeah , but um it uh it it failed right when you load it , right , the NITE X_M_L_ kit , so that's interesting . 1169.75 1171.49 1175.14 1175.4 1176.25 1177.11 EN2001a B FEO066 1 1175.36 1176.433 1175.4 1176.2 Yes , right . 1176.07 1176.2 EN2001a A MEE068 0 1179.168 1179.635 1179.19 1179.47 Hmm . 1179.47 EN2001a B FEO066 1 1180.768 1201.792 1180.82 1201.72 Oops , it does . So I define baseline and what it loads ? For example it loads all the utterances and so on , but it doesn't load um the discourse acts and for example not the and what's what else there ? Not the summaries . It only loads those on demand . 1181.0 1181.3 1184.41 1187.45 1197.76 1199.95 1201.72 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1192.448 1193.001 1192.47 1192.9 Hmm . 1192.9 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1203.936 1219.954 1204.44 1219.92 Let's check that out . Um I'll p I'll probably ask Jonathan about it . So alternatively , if we realise we can't do the whole thing in one go , we can probably just process some sort of meta-data , you know what I mean , like sort of sort of for the whole series 1205.83 1209.26 1210.36 1213.7 1216.31 1216.75 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1221.509 1225.824 1221.6 1225.74 chunks representing the individual meetings or some - EN2001a E MEO069 4 1227.593 1251.568 1227.64 1251.53 Like something that represents the whole series in in a v in a structure very similar to the structure in which we represent individual um meetings , but with data sort of always combined from the whole series . so instead of having an single utterance that we display , it would probably be like that would be representing a whole um topic , a segment in a meeting . 1237.54 1242.22 1244.36 1250.36 1251.53 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1253.28 1255.436 1253.3 1255.31 And sort of so that wi using the same data st - EN2001a B FEO066 1 1254.72 1273.136 1255.01 1273.09 Y you mean that you um basically split up th the big thing into um different summaries . For example that you have a very um top-level um summary and a separate file for for each level . 1262.59 1273.09 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1262.368 1263.459 1262.64 1263.34 Well , in a sense 1262.79 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1272.118 1278.072 1272.18 1278.04 Uh I'm I'm thinking of in a sense of like creating a virtual a virtual meeting out of the whole meeting series , sort of . 1277.65 1278.04 EN2001a D MEE067 3 1278.288 1282.546 1278.34 1282.49 That's easy . You just like create a new X_M_L_ document in memory . 1278.92 1282.49 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1281.696 1322.272 1281.72 1322.22 Yeah , sort of like off-line create a virtual meeting , which which basically treats the meeting series as if it was a meeting , and treats the individual meetings within the series as if they were segments , and treats the individual segments within meetings as if they were um utterances . You know , so we just sort of we shift it one level up . And in that way we could probably use the same algorithm and just like make vir like one or two ifs that say okay , if you are on a whole document uh a whole series level and that was a double-click , then don't just go into that um segment , but load a new file or something like it , but in general use the same algorithm . That would be an alternative if we can't actually load the whole thing and 1281.99 1284.65 1288.97 1293.24 1300.26 1300.44 1303.25 1308.82 1313.46 1316.62 1318.41 1319.76 EN2001a B FEO066 1 1302.528 1302.97 1302.56 1302.84 Mm-hmm . 1302.84 EN2001a A MEE068 0 1322.72 1323.029 1322.74 1322.88 Mm . 1322.88 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1324.56 1336.272 1324.8 1336.18 'Cause also like even if we maybe this whole like maybe I'm worrying too much about the whole series in one thing display , because actually I mean probably users wouldn't view that one too often . 1332.36 1336.18 EN2001a D MEE067 3 1336.106 1363.136 1336.18 1363.09 I don't think it's really that much of a problem because if it's too big , what we can do is just well all the off-line stuff doesn't really matter . And all we can do is just process a bit at a time . Like for summarisation , say we wanted a hundred utterances in the summary , just look at the meeting , take the top one hundred utterances in each other meeting . If it scores higher than the ones already in the summary so far , just replace them . And then you only have to process one meeting at a time . 1339.14 1343.51 1346.73 1347.79 1350.82 1351.82 1355.32 1359.8 1360.99 1363.09 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1363.776 1384.179 1364.53 1384.1 Yeah , but I'm I'm still worried . Like for example for the display , if you actually if you want a display uh like for the whole series , the information density levels based on and and the f and the only granularity you have is individual utterances , that means you have to through every single utterance in a series of seventy hours of meetings . 1364.93 1365.99 1367.92 1372.2 1378.25 1384.1 EN2001a D MEE067 3 1383.381 1390.756 1383.44 1390.72 Okay , so maybe we should build a b store a mean measure for the segments and meetings as well ? 1383.87 1390.72 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1389.328 1402.121 1389.35 1402.09 Yeah . Yeah , and if you make that structurally very similar to the the le like one level down , like the way how we uh store individual utterances and stuff , then maybe we can more or less use the same code and just make a few ifs and stuff . 1391.02 1391.16 1396.15 1398.34 1402.09 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1405.424 1410.0 1405.44 1409.93 Yeah , so so but still so in in general we're having we're having utterances 1405.53 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1411.653 1413.17 1411.69 1413.14 and they have a score . 1413.14 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1415.392 1426.899 1415.41 1426.85 And that's as much as we really need . And of cou and they also have a time a time information of course . Hmm ? And a and a s and a speaker information , yeah . 1419.28 1424.19 1424.92 1426.49 1426.85 EN2001a D MEE067 3 1422.805 1430.752 1422.98 1430.72 And speaker . Speaker and um topic segmenting we'll need as well . 1425.0 1430.72 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1430.768 1436.497 1430.79 1436.43 Yeah , so an information which topic they're in , yeah . And and probably separate to that an information about the different topics like that 1430.98 1432.58 1433.0 EN2001a D MEE067 3 1432.82 1433.26 1432.89 1433.22 Yeah . 1433.22 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1438.32 1438.726 1438.34 1438.66 Yeah . 1438.66 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1440.16 1441.131 1440.18 1441.0 So - EN2001a E MEO069 4 1442.368 1449.099 1442.39 1449.0 so the skimming can work on that because the skimming just sort of sorts the utterances and puts as many in as it needs - EN2001a D MEE067 3 1448.363 1453.368 1448.4 1453.25 Well yeah , and then it'll f preserve the order when it's displayed the 1448.94 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1454.208 1462.064 1454.23 1462.0 Yeah . Yeah , it'll it'll play them in some order in which they were set because otherwise it's gonna be more entertaining . Um 1455.15 1455.4 1461.52 EN2001a D MEE067 3 1454.723 1455.031 1454.83 1455.0 Yeah . 1455.0 EN2001a D MEE067 3 1456.977 1457.817 1457.08 1457.817 Yeah . 1457.75 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1463.456 1491.424 1463.61 1491.39 but that that's enough data for the skimming and the the searching , so what the searching does is the searching leaves the whole framework , goes to the S_Q_L_ database and gets like basically in the end gets just a time marker for where that is , like that utterance that we are concerned with . And then we have to find I'm sure there's some way in in NITE X_M_L_ to just say set position to that time mark . And then it shifts the whole frame and it alerts every single element of the display and the display updates . 1467.78 1471.14 1478.67 1480.63 1486.71 1491.39 EN2001a D MEE067 3 1466.224 1467.222 1466.26 1467.11 Yeah , I think so . 1466.53 1467.11 EN2001a A MEE068 0 1490.178 1490.553 1490.28 1490.49 Hmm . 1490.49 EN2001a A MEE068 0 1491.599 1495.244 1491.68 1495.21 Yeah , we do not want it in to develop a little tree display as well for multiple results . 1491.83 1495.21 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1495.81 1502.66 1495.94 1502.63 Yeah , yeah . That we can ju yeah , but so so if if somethi so yeah . So if in that tree display somebody clicks on something 1496.38 1497.29 1498.07 1500.18 EN2001a A MEE068 0 1497.024 1498.813 1497.04 1498.64 Yeah , but that'd be quite easy to do . 1497.34 1498.64 EN2001a A MEE068 0 1503.504 1504.944 1503.52 1504.9 You just need to find the time stamp . 1504.9 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1505.168 1537.95 1505.19 1537.75 Yeah , and then you sort of feed the time stamp to and the NITE X_M_L_ central manager , and that central manager alerts everything that's there , like alerts the skim like the the audio display , alerts the text display , alerts the visual display and says we have a new time frame and then they all sort of do their update routines with respect to the current level of zoom . So how much do they display , and starting position at where the or maybe the mid-position of it , I don't know , like w if start where the thing was found or if that thing wa was found it's in the middle of the part that we display , that I don't know . But that we can decide about , but a general sort of 1505.46 1509.46 1512.3 1515.18 1516.24 1523.26 1524.65 1529.38 1529.7 1535.15 1535.69 1536.88 EN2001a A MEE068 0 1510.209 1510.716 1510.24 1510.64 Yeah . 1510.64 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1540.08 1556.646 1540.1 1556.54 It's the same thing if like whether you play and it moves forward or whether you jump to a position through search , it's essentially for all the window handling , it's the same event . It's only that the event gets triggered by the search routine which sort of push that into NITE X_M_L_ and says please go there now . 1545.84 1547.64 1549.57 1556.54 EN2001a A MEE068 0 1549.104 1549.546 1549.12 1549.4 Yeah . 1549.4 EN2001a D MEE067 3 1557.536 1561.932 1557.56 1561.86 So we should basically make our own X_M_L_ document in memory - EN2001a D MEE067 3 1563.888 1565.888 1563.92 1565.85 that everyone's um - EN2001a D MEE067 3 1567.218 1576.539 1567.3 1576.5 module changes that , rather than the underlying data . And then have that X_M_L_ uh NITE X_M_L_ document tied to the interface . 1569.33 1571.62 1576.5 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1576.99 1580.233 1577.42 1580.12 Why do we have to do it in memory ? But that stuff's so 1579.37 EN2001a D MEE067 3 1579.796 1581.808 1579.86 1581.69 Well , you can make it in a file if you want . 1580.05 1581.69 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1582.672 1585.122 1582.69 1585.02 I mean like the information is coming from off-line . 1585.02 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1588.291 1619.529 1588.31 1619.49 So we probably we don't even have to change the utterance document , right , because the whole way , like the whole beauty of the NITE X_M_L_ is that it ties together lots of different files . So we can just create an additional X_M_L_ file which for every utterance like the utterances have I_D_s I presume , some references . So we just we tie uh p just a very short X_M_L_ file , which it's the only information it has that has whatever a number for for the um weight , for the information density , and we just tie that to the existing utterances and tie them to the existing speaker changes . 1593.39 1593.6 1594.81 1597.65 1602.26 1603.73 1607.22 1613.72 1614.81 1619.49 EN2001a D MEE067 3 1603.376 1603.776 1603.4 1603.72 Mm-hmm . 1603.72 EN2001a C FEO065 2 1603.921 1605.817 1604.0 1605.817 Yeah . 1605.26 EN2001a B FEO066 1 1604.161 1604.832 1604.27 1604.72 Yes . 1604.72 EN2001a C FEO065 2 1620.272 1630.96 1620.71 1630.92 But there is no I_D_ for an utterance I think . It's just for individual words . So how do we do that then ? We for utterances as well . 1622.92 1625.41 1628.02 1630.92 EN2001a B FEO066 1 1627.44 1629.344 1627.52 1629.3 N Uh no no , it's f for 1628.43 EN2001a B FEO066 1 1632.544 1634.944 1632.56 1634.9 No , you're right . Yeah . It's for 1632.79 1633.29 1634.11 EN2001a C FEO065 2 1633.824 1636.288 1633.84 1636.15 I think it's just for one - EN2001a C FEO065 2 1638.736 1640.397 1638.76 1640.32 word . So we have to 1639.22 EN2001a A MEE068 0 1638.807 1643.008 1638.86 1642.96 Yeah , I think I think those segments for each utterance are split up . 1639.08 1642.96 EN2001a C FEO065 2 1643.248 1643.695 1643.27 1643.62 Yeah . 1643.62 EN2001a A MEE068 0 1644.144 1644.744 1644.2 1644.62 Think so . 1644.62 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1646.711 1665.356 1646.81 1665.24 Well otherwise we probably have to go over it and like add some integer that we just increment from top to bottom sort of to every utterance as an as an I_D_ some type . Or un or try to understand how NITE X_M_L_ I_D_s work and maybe there's some special route we have to follow when we use these I_D_s . It's alm hmm ? 1656.96 1663.71 1665.24 EN2001a A MEE068 0 1663.44 1668.992 1663.46 1668.93 Yeah , I'm pretty sure it's already there . Pretty sure that's already there . The the utterances are numbered . 1663.59 1665.4 1666.38 1668.93 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1670.462 1673.536 1670.49 1673.5 Yeah , the the girl said the utterances themselves are not numbered at the moment . 1670.74 1673.5 EN2001a B FEO066 1 1674.48 1675.155 1674.56 1675.06 Um - EN2001a C FEO065 2 1674.675 1680.464 1674.71 1680.0 Uh I'm not quite sure , I have only seen that the uh the individual words have got an I_D_ . 1675.64 1680.0 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1675.807 1682.935 1675.87 1682.85 Okay . Okay . Okay . Yeah . So I guess that would be solvable if not . 1677.27 1678.89 1679.87 1680.67 1682.85 EN2001a C FEO065 2 1683.296 1692.445 1683.32 1692.41 Yeah . You always could have a look at the time stamps and then take the ones that uh belong together to form an utterance . 1683.96 1692.41 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1687.008 1687.44 1687.04 1687.4 Mm-hmm . 1687.4 EN2001a B FEO066 1 1693.776 1704.603 1693.8 1704.42 No , I I think we would just take the segments that are already that were Yeah , there's um this segments file . Um you know , the X_M_L_ segments . 1693.94 1700.3 1702.75 1703.3 1704.42 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1693.806 1694.213 1693.83 1694.14 Sorry ? 1694.14 EN2001a C FEO065 2 1698.192 1701.951 1698.21 1701.81 Yeah , if they are already , there's it's easy but it would be possible . 1698.36 1699.61 1701.81 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1700.536 1701.201 1700.85 1701.11 Okay . 1701.11 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1702.69 1703.43 1702.98 1703.24 Okay . 1703.24 EN2001a C FEO065 2 1703.323 1705.262 1703.34 1705.23 Uh yeah . Okay . 1704.9 1705.23 EN2001a A MEE068 0 1704.768 1705.159 1704.79 1705.05 Hmm . 1705.05 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1706.704 1708.369 1706.72 1708.25 Is that a board marker pen actually ? 1708.25 EN2001a B FEO066 1 1707.44 1707.774 1707.49 1707.63 Oh . 1707.63 EN2001a B FEO066 1 1711.216 1712.224 1711.24 1712.13 That I don't know . 1712.13 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1711.271 1717.691 1711.4 1717.57 Oh . That's just so like to make a list of all this stuff , or we probably can somebody can do it on paper . 1712.37 1715.55 1717.57 EN2001a A MEE068 0 1711.529 1712.277 1711.59 1712.18 Yeah , I think so . 1711.78 1712.18 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1719.392 1744.572 1719.41 1744.4 All these fancy pens . So what so the stuff we have we have utterances and speakers and weights for utterances . So for for every utterance sort of like the utterance has a speaker and a weight which is coming from outside . Or we just tie it to it . And there is segments , which hmm ? 1720.87 1731.07 1737.26 1739.42 1742.55 1744.4 EN2001a D MEE067 3 1742.656 1747.835 1742.75 1747.77 They are utterances , aren't they ? The segments are utterances , aren't they ? Yeah . 1743.84 1744.75 1746.4 1747.54 1747.77 EN2001a A MEE068 0 1745.59 1747.702 1745.65 1747.59 Ye that's the impression I get , yeah . 1747.34 1747.59 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1747.327 1755.328 1747.36 1755.28 Oh , so sorry um . Uh topic s topic segments I meant . Like they are they are a super-unit . So so the utterances are tied to topic segments . 1747.52 1748.69 1750.29 1751.74 1755.28 EN2001a B FEO066 1 1748.104 1749.296 1748.2 1749.23 Yeah , that's um 1748.44 EN2001a D MEE067 3 1750.429 1751.394 1750.55 1751.31 Alright , okay . 1751.05 1751.31 EN2001a B FEO066 1 1751.264 1751.73 1751.33 1751.68 Mm-hmm . 1751.68 EN2001a A MEE068 0 1752.192 1752.568 1752.23 1752.42 Oh . 1752.42 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1761.674 1768.967 1761.71 1768.8 And if the time stamps are on a word level , then we b somehow have to extract time stamps for utterances where they start . 1764.27 1768.8 EN2001a B FEO066 1 1768.112 1781.312 1768.7 1781.28 There there are time stamps um for , well , segments um and for th um segments is for example when when you look at the data , what is displayed in one line . 1771.57 1771.75 1779.48 1781.28 EN2001a D MEE067 3 1768.83 1770.002 1768.92 1769.88 Well , that's easy . 1769.11 1769.88 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1774.352 1775.851 1774.37 1775.78 W what segments now ? 1775.78 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1781.951 1788.985 1782.71 1788.91 Okay . Is the uh is that the same as utterances that is that the same as utterances that 1783.91 EN2001a A MEE068 0 1783.616 1783.984 1783.64 1783.86 Hmm . 1783.86 EN2001a B FEO066 1 1783.776 1787.04 1783.8 1786.95 What when when you look at it in the hmm ? 1786.95 EN2001a A MEE068 0 1786.076 1786.374 1786.1 1786.21 Ye - EN2001a A MEE068 0 1787.135 1787.509 1787.21 1787.43 Mm . 1787.43 EN2001a D MEE067 3 1789.488 1795.317 1789.52 1795.22 Well it's close enough , isn't it ? It may not be exact every time , but it's a so sort of size we're looking for . 1790.56 1791.32 1792.91 1795.22 EN2001a B FEO066 1 1789.614 1791.377 1789.614 1791.29 I think so . Isn't 1790.96 EN2001a A MEE068 0 1790.935 1791.75 1791.01 1791.6 Yeah , uh 1791.56 EN2001a B FEO066 1 1792.571 1816.426 1792.94 1816.32 Um for ex um I I compared it with what I did for the pause um duration extraction . Um and basically it's uh words that are uttered in a sequence without pauses . But sometimes um however there are um short pauses in it and they're indicated by square brackets pause or something in the data . 1800.27 1806.52 1816.32 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1798.146 1800.075 1798.25 1799.96 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 1799.67 1799.96 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1812.45 1819.626 1812.52 1819.51 What so that's Oh . But that's one o one segment or is that two segments then ? 1815.65 1819.51 EN2001a A MEE068 0 1814.109 1814.499 1814.18 1814.35 Right . 1814.35 EN2001a B FEO066 1 1820.497 1826.704 1820.55 1826.67 Um someti uh but uh the annotators decided what was one segment and what wasn't . 1826.67 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1823.619 1824.104 1823.68 1824.02 Yeah . 1824.02 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1826.976 1840.108 1827.0 1840.06 Okay . Okay . So but but generally utterances is that which we just called uh sorry , segments is that which we just called utterances now . Like it's it's the sa it's sort of like one person's contribution at a time sort of thingy dingy . 1828.24 1828.45 1832.68 1835.74 1840.06 EN2001a B FEO066 1 1835.936 1837.318 1836.07 1837.15 I think so . 1837.15 EN2001a D MEE067 3 1836.237 1837.134 1836.32 1836.99 Yeah , yeah . 1836.7 1836.99 EN2001a A MEE068 0 1840.688 1841.189 1840.72 1841.12 Okay . 1841.12 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1841.856 1847.152 1841.88 1846.92 Okay , so yeah , so we have those , and and then we have some f field somewhere else which has 1842.08 1842.6 1843.49 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1848.672 1849.824 1848.69 1849.79 topics . 1849.79 EN2001a A MEE068 0 1850.334 1851.182 1850.38 1851.11 Topics , yeah . 1850.85 1851.11 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1851.168 1870.521 1851.19 1870.36 Yeah , and and a topic's basically they are just on the I_D_ , probably with a start time or something , and and the utterances referenced to those topics I guess . So the topics don't contain any redundant thing of like showing the whole topic again , but they just sort of say a number and where they start and where they finish . And the utterances then say which topic they belong to . 1851.37 1854.08 1855.4 1859.39 1864.03 1868.27 1870.36 EN2001a A MEE068 0 1858.944 1859.954 1858.96 1859.86 Yeah , I think that's the right one . 1859.14 1859.86 EN2001a A MEE068 0 1870.761 1871.152 1870.8 1871.03 Hmm . 1871.03 EN2001a B FEO066 1 1870.576 1883.954 1870.94 1883.84 Yeah , but um I think for some annotations um an uttera ca utterance can have several um types . For example for the dialogue acts and so on . 1871.15 1881.91 1883.84 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1884.304 1892.094 1884.57 1892.0 Yeah . No . But I was thinking of the topic segmentation now and and f for that there would only be one , right , because it's sort of like it's just a time window . 1884.79 1885.09 1889.86 1890.04 1892.0 EN2001a B FEO066 1 1886.525 1888.612 1886.55 1888.44 Okay . Yeah , that should be for 1887.19 1887.59 EN2001a A MEE068 0 1887.937 1888.347 1888.04 1888.25 Hmm . 1888.25 EN2001a B FEO066 1 1891.136 1893.2 1891.16 1892.99 Yeah . Should be , yeah . 1892.39 1892.8 1892.99 EN2001a A MEE068 0 1892.233 1892.755 1892.36 1892.62 Mm-hmm . 1892.62 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1893.856 1894.314 1893.88 1894.18 Yeah . 1894.18 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1896.0 1914.576 1896.02 1914.54 So if this lazy loading works , then this should definitely fit into I mean not memory then because it wouldn't all be in memory at the same time . So if we just have those sort of that information like a long list of all the utterances slash segments and like short or smaller lists which give weight to them . 1898.25 1904.23 1914.54 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1916.128 1931.357 1916.15 1931.28 And even though probably if there's a lot of over-head in having two different files , we can probably merge the weights into it off-line . You know what I mean , like if if there's a lot of bureaucracy involved with having two different trees and whether one ties to the other because the one has the weight for the other , then it's probably quicker to just 1919.15 1922.47 1922.97 1929.25 EN2001a D MEE067 3 1923.34 1923.814 1923.49 1923.75 Yeah . 1923.75 EN2001a D MEE067 3 1931.562 1940.518 1931.62 1940.41 But why don't we just write it as a new X_M_L_ file ? Can NITE handle just loading arbitrary uh new like attributes and stuff ? 1934.73 1940.41 EN2001a D MEE067 3 1941.728 1943.6 1941.75 1943.54 I mean , I would have thought they'd make it able to . 1941.9 1943.54 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1943.888 1949.554 1943.91 1949.48 Yeah , I thought that was the whole beauty that like you can just make a new X_M_L_ file and sort of tie that to the other and and it tre 1944.11 EN2001a D MEE067 3 1944.874 1945.364 1944.98 1945.27 Yeah . 1945.27 EN2001a D MEE067 3 1949.078 1952.462 1949.19 1952.21 So why do we need to have two X_M_L_ trees in memory at once ? 1952.21 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1952.08 1964.736 1952.12 1964.7 Oh yeah . So no , I didn't I didn't mean tree . No . No . I meant just like handling two different files internally . Sort of c I was just thinking you know like if if the overhead for having the same amount of data coming from two d files instead of from one file is massive 1952.38 1952.68 1954.13 1954.63 1954.83 1957.26 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1966.192 1980.621 1966.21 1980.58 then it would probably be for us easy to just like off-line put the the weight into into the file that has the segments , uh yeah , segments slash utterances already . But that we can figure out I mean if it's going horrendously wrong . 1973.63 1974.45 1976.71 1980.58 EN2001a D MEE067 3 1980.4 1990.168 1980.46 1990.01 The other thing is that would mean we'd be using their parser as well , which means we wouldn't have to parse anything , which be quite nice . 'Cause their parser is probably much faster than anything we've come up with anyway . 1983.58 1985.41 1986.8 1990.01 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1986.724 1987.14 1986.79 1987.07 Yeah . 1987.07 EN2001a E MEO069 4 1990.272 2028.069 1990.29 2028.02 Yeah . Yeah , no , we'd we'd be completely using like the whole infrastructure and basically just I mean the main difference really between our project and theirs really is that we load a different part of the data . But otherwise we're doing it the same way that they are doing it . So we just we're sort of running different types of queries on it . We in a sense we I think we are running queries , it's not just about um what we load and what we don't load , but we're l running queries in the sense that we dynamically select by by weights , don't we ? That we have to check how fast that is , like to say give us all the ones that whether that works with their query language , whether that's too many results and whether we shou 1991.41 1991.55 1991.69 2002.07 2005.44 2008.45 2010.34 2014.1 2018.45 2020.04 2021.41 2026.02 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2026.432 2026.917 2026.47 2026.78 Mm . 2026.78 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2030.016 2050.126 2030.04 2050.07 You know , if 'cause if it i let's say I mean if if their query language is strange and if it would return b ten million results and it can't handle it , then we can just write our individual components in the way that they know which what the threshold is . So they still get all the data and just they internally say oh no , this is less than three and I'm not gonna display it or something . 2030.21 2038.76 2043.34 2047.29 2050.07 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2051.04 2059.016 2051.06 2058.95 Yeah , I mean we can process it in chunks if it gets too big basically . We can just process it all in chunks if it gets too big to load it into memory . 2051.23 2054.59 2058.95 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2054.109 2054.483 2054.17 2054.36 Hmm ? 2054.36 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2057.126 2083.395 2057.19 2083.23 Yeah . No . I'm just thinking for this whole thing of like a different level , sort of cutting out different different pieces , whether we do that through a query where we say give us everything that's ab above this and this weight , or whether we skip the same infrastructure , but every individual module like the player and the display say like they still get sort of all the different utterances , uh all the different pieces , but they say oh , this piece I leave out , because it's below the current threshold level . 2057.33 2059.16 2061.35 2063.23 2069.1 2071.67 2077.43 2078.96 2079.59 2080.41 2083.23 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2059.889 2060.262 2059.91 2060.09 Hmm . 2060.09 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2082.898 2101.534 2082.98 2101.45 I think we probably want to store Sorry . I think we probably want to store um a hierarchical information density as well . So like an informan mation density score for each meeting and each topic segment . 'Cause otherwise we'd be recalculating the same thing over and over and over again . 2086.16 2092.3 2098.2 2101.45 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2101.632 2103.616 2101.65 2103.58 Yeah , that'd be much more efficient to do that . Yeah . 2101.79 2103.35 2103.58 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2102.816 2103.317 2102.88 2103.21 Yeah . 2103.21 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2104.935 2108.612 2104.99 2108.49 And that will obviously make it much easier to display . 2108.49 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2108.6 2110.505 2108.64 2110.43 When do we need the one for the meet - EN2001a D MEE067 3 2111.424 2113.607 2111.44 2113.55 Well it may not for the whole meeting , but like 2112.94 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2113.168 2144.633 2113.19 2144.54 Okay . Yeah , I guess for the so when we have the display , will we display the whole series . Then if we have for the individual topic segments within the meetings if we have ready calculated disp um measures , then we don't have to sort of extract that data from the individual utterances . Yeah , and that's also fairly easy to store along with our segments , isn't it . For the segments , are we extracting some type of title for them that we craft with some fancy algorithm or manually or we're just taking the single most highly valued key-word utterance for the segment heading ? 2114.1 2114.38 2116.58 2117.93 2123.98 2127.3 2127.5 2129.89 2130.69 2131.46 2144.54 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2125.884 2127.281 2125.95 2127.08 Yeah , exactly . 2126.62 2127.08 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2130.311 2130.785 2130.42 2130.7 Yeah . 2130.7 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2144.512 2145.802 2144.53 2145.68 Well , we can start off 2144.84 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2147.664 2153.502 2147.7 2153.46 like that . Well I was gonna start off I've v got sort of half-way through implementing one that does just I_D_F_ . 2148.15 2153.46 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2153.68 2154.105 2153.7 2154.0 Hmm . 2154.0 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2155.072 2158.698 2155.09 2158.63 And then just I can change that to work on whatever . 2158.63 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2158.032 2171.987 2158.05 2171.93 Hmm . It's probably like in in the end probably it wouldn't be the best thing if it's just the high most highly ranked phrase or key-word because like for example for an introduction that would most definitely not be anything that has any title anywhere similar to introduction or something . 2158.99 2171.93 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2169.523 2170.046 2169.54 2169.88 Yeah . 2169.88 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2169.538 2170.06 2169.56 2169.88 Hmm . 2169.88 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2171.364 2177.65 2171.38 2177.56 And it should be weighted by stuff like the hot spots and um the key-words in the search and stuff like that . 2177.56 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2176.512 2177.192 2176.55 2177.14 Yeah . 2177.14 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2179.024 2207.978 2179.43 2207.85 Also like for this part , maybe if we go over it with named entity in the end , if I mean w if one of the people doing DIL has some named entity code to spare , and just like at least for the for sort of for finding topics , titles for for segments , just take a named entity which has a really high , what's it called , D_F_I_D_F_ , whatever . 'Cause you'd probably be quite likely if they're talking about a conference or a person , that that would be a named entity which is very highly fr um frequented in that part . 2181.5 2184.66 2189.58 2192.94 2194.55 2197.5 2198.14 2198.79 2199.8 2202.67 2207.85 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2187.902 2188.424 2188.06 2188.16 Hmm . 2188.16 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2207.558 2211.674 2207.6 2211.63 Did he not say something about named entities ? So I thought he said there wasn't very many . 2209.58 2211.63 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2211.605 2236.182 2211.64 2236.07 Yeah , he said they're quite sparse . So that basically was don't bother basing too much of your general calculation on it . But like especially if they're sparse , probably individual named entities which describe what a what a segment is about would probably be quite good . Like if there's some name of some conference , they would could probably say that name of the conference quite often , even though he's right that they make indirect references to it . Anyway Sorry ? 2211.83 2212.95 2217.2 2219.31 2225.65 2227.54 2230.33 2234.75 2236.07 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2212.958 2213.481 2213.0 2213.44 Yeah . 2213.44 EN2001a C FEO065 2 2234.594 2243.105 2234.77 2243.0 You s uh you said you are currently in uh implementing the idea . What exactly are you computing ? 2240.47 2243.0 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2240.464 2251.188 2240.48 2251.15 Yeah . It's not T_F_I_D_F_ , it's just inverse document frequency . 'Cause it's really easy to do basically . There's just like for a baseline really . 2241.94 2243.53 2246.51 2249.43 2251.15 EN2001a C FEO065 2 2244.594 2245.317 2244.66 2245.26 Okay . 2245.26 EN2001a C FEO065 2 2248.336 2248.799 2248.36 2248.75 Okay . 2248.75 EN2001a C FEO065 2 2251.252 2251.76 2251.36 2251.69 Mm-hmm . 2251.69 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2252.576 2254.001 2252.6 2253.92 Yeah , you're able to do that in Java , yeah ? 2252.71 2253.72 2253.92 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2254.4 2257.776 2254.42 2257.61 Well , I'm half-way through . It's not working yet , but it will do . 2254.6 2255.68 2256.53 2257.61 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2255.646 2256.053 2255.73 2255.97 Yeah . 2255.97 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2259.584 2261.86 2259.83 2261.81 So you're doing that on a on a per word level . 2261.81 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2262.48 2266.487 2262.5 2266.4 Um yeah . And then averaging it over the utterances . 2264.29 2266.4 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2263.824 2264.355 2263.84 2264.32 Okay . 2264.32 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2266.317 2267.016 2266.49 2266.98 Okay . 2266.98 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2267.728 2274.457 2267.85 2274.35 But it's not like um related to the corpus at all . It's just working on an arbitrary text file at the moment . 2270.74 2274.35 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2274.4 2277.488 2274.46 2277.44 Okay , cool . I was just wondering where you had the corpus from at the moment . 2274.8 2275.47 2277.44 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2277.552 2278.049 2277.57 2277.86 No . 2277.86 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2278.033 2278.294 2278.06 2278.18 Huh . 2278.18 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2282.32 2305.472 2282.34 2305.37 So it it seems that the data structure isn't a big problem and that basically we don't have to have all these massive discussions of how we exactly interact with the data structure because most of our work isn't done with that data structure in memory in the browser , but it's just done off-line and everyone can ha represent it anyway they want as long as they sort of store it in a useful X_M_L_ representation in the end . So like 2295.73 2303.81 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2305.059 2309.799 2305.09 2309.7 It would be useful to know how everyone's gonna store their things though . 2309.7 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2311.152 2311.719 2311.17 2311.49 Hmm . 2311.49 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2312.39 2326.45 2312.58 2326.37 Yeah , that would mean understanding the NITE X_M_L_ X_M_L_ sort of format in a lot more detail . We should I think we should just have a long session in the computer room together and like now that we know a bit more what we want , take a closer look at NITE X_M_L_ . 2312.78 2317.35 2323.42 2326.37 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2315.359 2315.966 2315.51 2315.88 Yeah . 2315.88 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2324.64 2329.394 2324.66 2329.36 Yeah . Well I've got like a few hours free . Like after this . 2325.62 2328.47 2329.36 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2328.272 2344.288 2328.29 2344.25 Yeah , I've had a b I've had a look at the the topic segments , how it's stored . And then yeah , th those are few per meeting , and it um well , it gives a time stamp and inside each one there's uh the actual like utterance segments . 2328.58 2332.22 2333.93 2335.62 2337.0 2339.22 2344.25 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2332.287 2332.769 2332.38 2332.68 Mm-hmm . 2332.68 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2344.56 2345.041 2344.58 2344.94 Mm-hmm . 2344.94 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2345.328 2347.792 2345.35 2347.74 And the list of them that occurred . And they're all numbered . 2346.93 2347.74 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2349.2 2350.815 2349.22 2350.76 Um so that's where that's stored . 2350.76 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2355.232 2358.122 2355.25 2358.04 Good . Yeah , I haven't looked at this stuff much at all . 2356.19 2356.39 2358.04 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2358.304 2369.36 2358.32 2369.21 Yeah , so I guess um if I'm gonna be segmenting it with a L_C_ seg then that's like same format I'd want to um put it back out in so it'd be equivalent . 2358.52 2369.21 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2362.07 2362.56 2362.16 2362.51 Yeah . 2362.51 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2365.52 2365.969 2365.54 2365.91 Yeah . 2365.91 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2371.296 2380.528 2371.81 2380.47 Who's who's sort of doing the the the central coordination of of of the browser application now ? Like 2379.98 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2380.704 2383.392 2380.72 2383.35 Well , like the integration . What do you mean , integration ? 2380.82 2382.38 2382.69 2383.35 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2382.0 2382.338 2382.02 2382.21 Hmm ? 2382.21 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2383.533 2389.936 2383.56 2389.89 Yeah , or but also like all these elements like like the loading and , yeah , integration and and like handling the data loading and stuff . 2383.86 2386.72 2386.94 2389.89 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2387.709 2388.3 2387.76 2388.23 Hmm . 2388.23 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2391.456 2394.024 2391.48 2394.02 I don't know . I don't think anyone's been allocated to do that yet . 2391.75 2393.71 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2393.96 2402.225 2394.14 2402.15 Nah . I'm sort of like I think I'll take over the display , just because I've started with a bit and found it found it doable . 2394.96 2397.41 2402.15 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2400.937 2401.478 2400.98 2401.36 Yeah , yeah . 2401.22 2401.36 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2403.232 2403.913 2403.25 2403.8 Yeah , definitely . 2403.43 2403.8 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2407.328 2420.272 2407.35 2420.22 So somebody should sort of be the one person who's who understands most about what's t centrally going on with with the with the project , like with the with the browser as a whole and where the data comes in and 2416.5 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2420.192 2421.26 2420.21 2421.11 Hmm , yeah . 2420.87 2421.11 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2425.344 2426.335 2425.37 2426.25 Any volunteers ? 2426.25 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2428.48 2430.204 2428.69 2430.204 It's the most boring task . 2430.09 EN2001a C FEO065 2 2429.991 2430.522 2430.03 2430.46 Mm-hmm . 2430.46 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2430.528 2432.172 2430.61 2431.99 It's also a complicated one . 2431.99 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2431.556 2433.361 2431.62 2433.32 Yeah , it c could be difficult , yeah . 2431.83 2432.94 2433.32 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2431.666 2432.288 2431.71 2432.18 Yeah . 2432.18 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2433.6 2434.309 2433.76 2434.23 Yeah . 2434.23 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2436.112 2447.28 2436.38 2447.22 I know but uh b I guess we can do it like several people together , it's probably just those people have to work together a lot and very closely and just make sure that they're always f understand what the other one is doing . 2439.97 2447.22 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2447.584 2448.117 2447.6 2447.94 Yeah . 2447.94 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2449.168 2453.786 2449.19 2453.71 Well I guess the important thing is to get the crucial m modules built . 2453.71 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2454.256 2457.32 2454.29 2457.27 Or at least um simple versions of them . 2457.27 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2454.909 2456.086 2455.05 2456.04 Ye yeah . 2456.04 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2457.488 2460.497 2457.51 2460.38 Yeah , or or ready-made versions of them for that matter and 2457.82 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2457.578 2458.634 2457.6 2458.45 Yeah , and then 2457.94 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2460.656 2465.904 2460.68 2465.84 Yeah , and then we'll maybe have to prioritize somebody into just integrating it . 2460.85 2465.84 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2468.56 2504.115 2468.56 2504.07 Yeah , but I think actually like at the moment the integration comes first , I mean it's sort of at the moment the building the browser comes first , and then only comes the creating new sophisticated data chunks , because that's sort of the whole thing about having a prototype system which is more or less working on on chunk data . But it at least we have the framework in which we can then test everything and and look at everything . 'Cause before we have that , it's gonna be very difficult for anyone to really see how much the work that they're doing is making sense because you just well I guess you can see something from the data that you have in your individual X_M_L_ s files files that you create , but it would be nice to have some basic system which just displays some stuff . 2468.86 2471.42 2473.88 2477.79 2482.89 2487.12 2488.31 2500.43 2504.07 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2504.976 2509.676 2505.0 2509.62 So maybe we should try doing something really simple , like just displaying a whole meeting . 2507.44 2509.62 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2510.848 2513.948 2510.87 2513.85 And like just being able to scroll through it or something like that . 2513.85 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2514.672 2520.592 2514.75 2520.56 Or just adapt like their like just sort of go from their system and and adapt that piece for piece and see how we could - EN2001a D MEE067 3 2515.981 2516.588 2516.04 2516.51 Yeah . 2516.51 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2522.464 2524.832 2522.48 2524.8 how we could arran like adapt it to our - EN2001a E MEO069 4 2526.064 2526.672 2526.08 2526.63 system . 2526.63 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2530.768 2536.416 2531.06 2536.37 Does anyone want to like just sit with me and like play for three hours with NITE X_M_L_ at some point ? 2536.37 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2537.76 2539.072 2537.81 2539.04 Are you free after this ? 2539.04 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2540.79 2547.608 2541.35 2547.51 Uh I wouldn't like to be 'cause I'd like to go to the gym . I'm theoretically free . But if there's any time t hmm ? 2544.38 2545.44 2547.51 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2546.032 2548.493 2546.05 2548.35 How about Friday then . 'Cause I'm off all Friday . 2547.23 2548.35 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2550.352 2552.36 2550.37 2552.33 You have nothing no free time on Wednesday . 2552.33 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2552.664 2555.614 2552.664 2555.51 Uh Wednesday I've got a nine 'til twelve . 2555.51 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2558.048 2558.496 2558.07 2558.44 Hmm . 2558.44 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2559.631 2561.751 2559.631 2561.71 Nine 'til twelve and then nothi you have or you - EN2001a D MEE067 3 2561.167 2564.968 2561.21 2564.89 Yeah , nothing in the afternoon . I've got nothing in the afternoon . So 2561.43 2563.21 2564.74 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2562.864 2563.137 2562.89 2563.01 Hmm ? 2563.01 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2565.04 2567.121 2565.06 2567.04 Anytime Wednesday afternoon I'd be cool , I think . 2566.74 2567.04 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2566.503 2568.091 2566.55 2568.03 Okay . So you ha yeah . 2567.19 2568.03 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2570.816 2572.347 2570.84 2572.28 Where about , just in Appleton Tower ? 2571.2 2572.28 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2573.179 2576.737 2573.27 2576.64 Yo , Forrest Hill , whatever one's easier to discuss stuff , I don't know . 2573.76 2574.52 2576.13 2576.64 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2576.654 2580.122 2576.72 2580.02 Uh I'll be in um the Appleton Tower anyway . 2580.02 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2578.32 2579.05 2578.34 2579.02 I'm not biased . 2579.02 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2580.256 2581.888 2580.28 2581.82 Okay . What time do you wanna do ? 2580.97 2581.82 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2582.32 2591.666 2582.34 2591.45 Um well I'll be there from twelve . I've got some other stuff that needs done on Matlab , so if you're not there at twelve , I can just work on that . So 2585.65 2588.32 2589.43 2591.3 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2590.48 2593.5 2590.5 2593.39 Okay , so I'll just meet you in in eighteen a in the afternoon . 2590.83 2593.39 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2592.762 2593.386 2592.87 2593.29 Yeah . 2593.29 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2608.88 2627.415 2608.92 2627.3 I guess at the moment nobody critically depends on like the NITE X_M_L_ stuff working right now , right ? Like at the moment you can all do your stuff and I can do my L_S_A_ stuff . And I can even do the display to a vast degree without actually having their supplying framework working . So it's not that crucial . 2614.99 2615.22 2619.75 2626.13 2627.3 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2617.1 2617.524 2617.16 2617.42 Mm-hmm . 2617.42 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2627.584 2628.334 2627.6 2628.2 Yeah , I think so . 2627.82 2628.2 EN2001a C FEO065 2 2627.801 2641.628 2627.85 2641.45 Yeah , I w I w I would need the raw text pretty soon because I have to find out um how I have to put the segments into bins . And then yeah . 2628.05 2639.72 2641.45 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2639.264 2649.996 2639.29 2649.85 Yeah , actually I need the raw text as well . Yeah , but I was I was I was more thinking of the sort of the the whole browser framework as a running programme now . Yeah , I think we all need the raw text in different in different flavours , don't we ? 2639.42 2640.78 2640.94 2645.86 2646.03 2649.27 2649.85 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2641.159 2641.762 2641.32 2641.61 Uh yeah . 2641.61 EN2001a C FEO065 2 2644.299 2646.378 2644.41 2646.33 No , that's not necessary . 2645.18 2646.33 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2649.231 2654.958 2649.27 2654.92 Hmm . Yeah , yeah . Jasmine , I thought you just said that you'd uh looked at extracting the text . 2649.97 2650.16 2650.47 2650.76 2654.92 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2649.992 2650.807 2650.27 2650.71 Why w - EN2001a C FEO065 2 2654.96 2665.131 2654.98 2665.03 Yes , I did . But um I've only just got the notes . I have to still have uh to order everything by the time and 2655.38 2656.29 2659.1 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2663.472 2666.766 2663.49 2666.69 Yeah . So you you said you did it in Python , yeah ? 2664.28 2666.47 2666.69 EN2001a C FEO065 2 2667.12 2669.453 2667.14 2669.35 Yeah , I think it's quite easy after the 2667.41 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2668.768 2686.534 2668.79 2686.47 Yeah , did you use uh b the X_L_ uh X_M_L_ parser in Python ? Right . Yeah , sounds pretty good . So um 'cause , yeah , I was having a look in it a look at it as well and I noticed the um the speakers are all in that separate file ? So did did you have to combine them all and and then re-order them ? 2668.92 2672.3 2672.79 2673.38 2674.36 2676.18 2676.35 2683.54 2686.47 EN2001a C FEO065 2 2671.332 2672.709 2671.37 2672.67 Yeah . Yeah . 2672.19 2672.67 EN2001a C FEO065 2 2673.717 2674.409 2673.76 2674.33 So uh - EN2001a C FEO065 2 2678.625 2679.074 2678.73 2678.98 Mm-hmm . 2678.98 EN2001a C FEO065 2 2686.594 2693.953 2686.71 2693.91 Yeah , b I uh w that's what I was uh thought . That you just combine them and then order the time stamps accordingly . 2687.27 2689.66 2693.91 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2689.712 2690.129 2689.73 2690.02 Yeah . 2690.02 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2691.164 2691.867 2691.31 2691.81 Ye yeah , c 2691.62 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2693.008 2699.824 2693.03 2699.66 Right . Yeah , so that's approach um well , I was going to do . So yeah , we may as well collaborate . 2694.14 2694.29 2696.85 2697.49 2698.27 2699.66 EN2001a C FEO065 2 2699.888 2708.443 2699.91 2708.37 Okay . Um what I found out was that there are quite a lot of things without without s time stamps in the beginning . 2701.15 2708.37 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2708.527 2709.442 2708.61 2709.28 In the word files ? 2709.28 EN2001a C FEO065 2 2709.948 2715.61 2709.98 2715.54 Yeah , and uh X_M_L_ files . Yeah , that's just an I_D_ or something . I don't know . Just numbers . 2710.72 2712.24 2712.42 2714.27 2714.64 2715.54 EN2001a B FEO066 1 2710.631 2712.361 2710.77 2712.13 Yes , but that's 2711.28 EN2001a B FEO066 1 2714.32 2717.712 2714.34 2717.66 Yeah , everything that's a word has a sti time stamp . 2714.7 2717.66 EN2001a C FEO065 2 2718.641 2727.488 2718.67 2727.29 Yes , but what are the other things that's uh some kind of number ? F maybe the file number or something that is in the beginning . What is that ? 2719.14 2723.05 2726.71 2727.29 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2728.768 2730.481 2728.79 2730.41 I'm not sure I what you mean . 2730.41 EN2001a C FEO065 2 2728.872 2729.695 2728.92 2729.58 Do you know ? 2729.58 EN2001a C FEO065 2 2730.699 2736.328 2730.79 2736.29 Um I think there are quite a lot of numbers in the beginning where n there is no time stamp for the numbers . 2736.29 EN2001a C FEO065 2 2737.634 2738.025 2737.75 2737.99 It's - EN2001a C FEO065 2 2739.856 2745.391 2739.89 2745.2 Think they say um quite a lot of numbers and before that , uh um there's this number . Was it 2743.47 2744.76 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2745.088 2747.136 2745.12 2747.07 But number within the X_M_L_ context . 2747.07 EN2001a C FEO065 2 2747.264 2753.344 2747.28 2753.13 Yeah , there i are numbers in the um the W_ tag , but there are no time stamps . 2747.55 2751.58 2753.13 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2753.824 2761.072 2753.84 2760.99 Are they spoken numbers ? Like do they look like they're utterances numbers ? There's the number task , isn't there . That's part of the whole thing . Hmm ? 2755.12 2757.71 2758.74 2759.31 2760.84 2760.99 EN2001a C FEO065 2 2756.853 2757.519 2756.88 2757.4 Yeah . 2757.4 EN2001a B FEO066 1 2759.424 2763.568 2759.5 2763.53 That's at the end . That's at the end , I think , her time . 2761.42 2762.24 2763.15 2763.53 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2762.472 2763.153 2762.53 2763.06 Okay . 2763.06 EN2001a C FEO065 2 2763.008 2767.88 2763.03 2767.56 Yeah , in the beginning as well sometimes , I think . At least I saw some . 2763.19 2764.65 2766.1 2767.56 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2765.664 2766.138 2765.68 2766.03 Oh right . 2766.03 EN2001a B FEO066 1 2766.944 2767.952 2766.96 2767.92 Yeah , maybe . 2767.56 2767.92 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2768.448 2789.909 2768.47 2789.77 Hmm . Yeah , we have to probably cut that out anyway for our project , I don't know . It's probably gonna screw up a lot of our data otherwise . If Not sure if it what it does to document It would probably make the yeah , if if you have segments for that , probably the 2769.33 2769.43 2771.53 2772.32 2775.78 2788.14 2789.27 EN2001a B FEO066 1 2769.216 2770.544 2769.24 2770.47 Didn't have a look at our meetings . 2770.47 EN2001a C FEO065 2 2769.292 2769.766 2769.33 2769.7 Yeah . 2769.7 EN2001a C FEO065 2 2775.264 2775.595 2775.29 2775.56 Yeah . 2775.56 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2776.336 2776.72 2776.36 2776.58 Hmm . 2776.58 EN2001a B FEO066 1 2776.472 2785.952 2776.56 2785.952 Uh I I think it wouldn't as it occurs I mean it would be it occurs in every meeting . So 2785.07 EN2001a B FEO066 1 2789.108 2797.755 2789.35 2797.56 And I think it even has uh its own annotation , like digits or something . So that should be really easy to cut out . 2792.85 2794.26 2797.56 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2794.221 2811.155 2794.31 2810.98 Okay . Uh I'm just thinking like it pro it pro probably like the L_S_A_ would perform quite well on it . It would probably find another number task quite easily seeing that it's a constrained vocabulary with a high co-occurrence of the same nine words . So that wou ten word . Hmm ? 2796.42 2800.12 2807.97 2810.77 2810.98 EN2001a B FEO066 1 2802.288 2806.848 2802.288 2806.848 Yeah . I'm sure . 2803.87 2806.36 EN2001a C FEO065 2 2808.336 2810.88 2808.36 2810.81 But what it is it actually that numbers ? 2810.81 EN2001a B FEO066 1 2810.928 2812.992 2810.97 2812.96 Ah it's just to test the system , I think . 2812.51 2812.96 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2813.136 2813.75 2813.136 2813.65 Yeah . 2813.65 EN2001a C FEO065 2 2813.35 2818.939 2813.41 2818.82 Okay , so but there are no time stamps annotated to that . It's it's quite strange . 2813.72 2817.56 2818.82 EN2001a B FEO066 1 2814.064 2814.448 2814.19 2814.31 So - EN2001a E MEO069 4 2816.491 2819.918 2816.7 2819.73 I think it's also something that they they said the numbers in order , right ? 2819.4 2819.73 EN2001a B FEO066 1 2820.992 2823.76 2821.05 2823.73 Mm they have to read numbers from - EN2001a E MEO069 4 2823.02 2843.275 2823.29 2843.2 Yeah , I think it's it the it sounded like they wanted to check out how well they were doing with overlapping and stuff , because basically it's like they're reading them at different speeds , but you know in which order they are said . Anyway . ICSI has some reasons for doing it . They must have been pissed off saying like numbers at the end of every meeting . 2823.52 2828.61 2830.92 2834.46 2835.87 2839.9 2843.2 EN2001a B FEO066 1 2834.352 2837.28 2834.43 2837.28 Uh I didn't have a look at that . So 2835.66 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2838.24 2838.608 2838.26 2838.42 Hmm . 2838.42 EN2001a C FEO065 2 2844.416 2858.689 2844.45 2858.58 And also um there are different um combinations of letters . B_R_E_ and something like that . Is it everything ordered are the time stamps global or uh are they local at any point ? 2850.42 2852.31 2858.58 EN2001a A MEE068 0 2859.056 2862.018 2859.11 2861.95 Mm I thought they were local to th a particular meeting . 2861.95 EN2001a B FEO066 1 2859.759 2860.358 2859.92 2860.18 They - EN2001a C FEO065 2 2862.624 2863.066 2862.65 2863.03 Okay . 2863.03 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2862.593 2890.279 2862.89 2890.18 Um Dave , if you would or actually for well , if you're doing I_D_F_s or you whatever you call your your frequencies , I always mix up the name , uh you need some dictionary for that at some point though , like you need to have some representation of a word as not not that specific occurrence of that word token , but of of of a given word form . Because you're making counts for word forms , right ? Yeah , so we should work together on that , because I need a dictionary as well . 2864.92 2866.87 2871.25 2872.85 2876.02 2882.88 2884.8 2886.29 2887.6 2887.78 2888.77 2890.18 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2885.028 2887.285 2885.1 2887.24 Yeah . I'm just building a dictionary . 2885.8 2887.24 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2890.32 2903.778 2890.34 2903.68 Oh , mine's just gonna use the um hash map one in um Java . 'Cause I'm only gonna do it on small documents . It's just like bef until the information density is up and running . Just something to get give me something to work with . 2890.75 2894.96 2897.25 2901.8 2903.68 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2896.8 2897.214 2896.83 2897.12 Okay . 2897.12 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2900.024 2900.473 2900.21 2900.39 'Kay . 2900.39 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2904.176 2906.476 2904.2 2906.42 Okay . Didn't you say that the o the ord 2904.69 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2905.775 2909.159 2905.84 2909.03 So it's only gonna use quite small documents , you see , to start with . 2907.7 2908.47 2909.03 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2909.616 2918.703 2909.69 2918.67 Yeah , but for I'm just wondering for the whole thing . Does somebody wo who was it of you two who said that um there's some programme which spits out a dictionary probably with frequencies ? 2909.96 2912.26 2918.67 EN2001a C FEO065 2 2918.208 2924.0 2918.23 2923.85 Yeah , it's Rainbow . It's um I think it's just the dictionary in the first place . But 2918.52 2919.51 2923.65 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2924.4 2937.008 2924.45 2936.88 Okay . Is anyone of you for the for the document frequency over total frequency , you gonna have total frequencies of words then with that , right ? Like over the whole corpus sort of . Or 2925.54 2930.02 2933.11 2933.96 2936.63 EN2001a C FEO065 2 2935.805 2943.856 2935.89 2943.73 Um no , I have to bin it up and so I will only have counts for each each bin or something . 2937.05 2943.73 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2943.999 2947.633 2944.03 2947.36 Why does it need to be classified into like different segments ? 2947.36 EN2001a C FEO065 2 2947.712 2957.648 2947.73 2957.6 It's because um Rainbow is a text classification system . And I think it's not possible to have just one class . That's the problem . 2951.05 2956.59 2957.6 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2957.584 2961.179 2957.6 2961.13 Can we just fill a second class with junk that we don't care about ? 2961.13 EN2001a C FEO065 2 2961.232 2962.662 2961.25 2962.49 Maybe we could - EN2001a D MEE067 3 2963.472 2966.117 2963.53 2966.117 Like , I don't know , copies of Shakespeare or something . 2963.87 2964.34 2966.03 EN2001a C FEO065 2 2965.776 2969.408 2965.8 2969.37 Yeah sure , you sure , we could do that , but I don't that makes sense . 2966.25 2966.59 2967.27 2969.37 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2969.502 2975.565 2969.55 2975.45 'Cause if what we're looking for is the um frequency statistics , I don't see how that would be changed by the classification . 2973.05 2975.45 EN2001a C FEO065 2 2978.128 2987.216 2978.128 2987.18 If we need just frequencies , maybe we should just calculate them by using Perl or something . I don't know . 2981.1 2986.77 2987.18 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2984.768 2985.726 2984.86 2985.58 I the - EN2001a D MEE067 3 2988.256 2990.192 2988.28 2990.12 Well there maybe another tool available ? 2990.12 EN2001a C FEO065 2 2991.36 2996.658 2991.38 2996.56 Yeah , it's quite easy to just count and s or sort them by um frequency . 2991.49 2996.56 EN2001a D MEE067 3 2994.333 2994.823 2994.44 2994.75 Yeah . 2994.75 EN2001a E MEO069 4 2996.992 2998.851 2997.16 2998.78 W using which tool are you talking about ? 2998.78 EN2001a C FEO065 2 2998.53 3000.72 2998.61 3000.69 Just using a Perl script . 3000.69 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3000.928 3025.45 3001.38 3025.34 Be careful with that . Like my experience with the British National Corpus was that there's far more word types than you ever think because anything that's sort of unusual generally is a new word type . Like any typo or any strange thing where they put two words together . And also any number as a word type of its own . So you can easily end up with hundred thousands of words when you didn't expect them . So generally dictionaries can grow bigger then you think they do . 3002.38 3011.07 3015.31 3017.27 3021.53 3025.34 EN2001a C FEO065 2 3005.472 3006.343 3005.49 3006.25 Is it too big ? 3006.25 EN2001a C FEO065 2 3010.5 3011.14 3010.52 3011.1 Yeah . 3011.1 EN2001a C FEO065 2 3019.536 3020.077 3019.58 3020.02 Hmm . 3020.02 EN2001a C FEO065 2 3026.096 3030.895 3026.14 3030.46 I don't know how you how many terms you can handle in Perl . 3030.46 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3030.524 3044.807 3030.57 3044.68 Well you can probably also you can probably pre-filter like with regular expressions even just say if it consists of only dig digits , then skip it , or even if it consists any special characters , then skip it because it's probably something with a dot in between , which is usually not something you wanna have and 3036.7 3037.35 3040.05 3042.3 EN2001a C FEO065 2 3037.556 3038.171 3037.74 3038.08 Mm yeah . 3038.08 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3045.52 3061.488 3045.6 3061.37 Um I can't remember who's got it . Might be WordNet . But one of these big corpuses has a list of stop words that you can download and they're just basically lists of really uninteresting boring words that we could filter out before we do that . 3048.3 3049.47 3061.37 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3064.486 3075.282 3064.57 3075.13 It's like that's one the papers I read , that's um one things they did right at the beginning is they've got this big s stop-list and they just ignore all of those throughout the experiment . 3066.61 3075.13 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3073.984 3082.56 3074.31 3082.48 What I did , for my project I just ignored the hundred most frequent words , because they actually end up all being articles and and everything and stuff . 3074.65 3078.27 3082.48 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3086.477 3092.132 3086.73 3092.09 So we need like several of us need a dictionary . Am I the only one who needs it with frequencies ? 3090.19 3092.09 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3090.766 3093.776 3091.09 3093.72 Yeah , I it would be useful for me as well . 3091.62 3093.72 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3094.192 3096.402 3094.21 3096.29 Am I the only one who needs it with frequencies ? Or 3096.06 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3097.024 3101.009 3097.1 3100.95 It uh I think that'd be useful for me as well . Yeah . 3100.59 3100.95 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3099.567 3116.372 3099.72 3116.26 Frequencies . Yeah . Well I guess as soon as we have the raw text , we can probably just start with the Java hash map and like just hash map over it and see how far we get . I mean we can probably on a machine with a few hundred megabyte RAM you can go quite far . You can write it on beefy . So even if it goes wrong and even if it has a million words be 3101.3 3101.61 3103.37 3108.12 3112.94 3113.88 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3105.861 3106.393 3105.95 3106.31 Yeah . 3106.31 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3115.419 3123.842 3115.47 3123.79 Well all you really wanna do is look into getting some sub-set of the ICSI corpus off the DICE machines . 'Cause I hate working on DICE . It's awful . 3121.68 3123.09 3123.79 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3125.472 3127.331 3125.51 3127.28 Like so I can use my home machine . 3127.28 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3127.792 3150.4 3128.11 3150.37 Oh yeah , burning it on a like we should be able to burn the whole corpus , just the X_ hmm ? Ah I see , I asked support about that two days ago . In the Informatics building there oh sorry , in in Appleton Tower five the ones closest t two machines closest to the support office . So I presume oh wait , I have the exact email . I think he's talking about sort of the ones that 3128.38 3131.21 3133.58 3134.18 3136.59 3140.44 3145.74 3148.02 3148.78 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3130.0 3134.176 3130.0 3133.99 ha has a C_D_ burner though . has a C_D_ burner . 3132.83 3133.99 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3149.344 3152.331 3149.36 3152.2 Yeah . The right-hand corner , far right . 3150.52 3151.65 3152.2 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3151.856 3169.886 3151.88 3169.77 Yeah , if you if you enter the big room , in the right-hand corner , I think . Um the thing is like you can only burn from the local file-system . So if it's from s well actually I think if it's mounted , you can directly burn from there , but the problem is I have my data on beefy and so I have to get it into the local temp directory and burn it from there . But you can burn it from there . 3152.1 3153.22 3154.13 3155.31 3159.75 3162.53 3163.49 3168.69 3169.77 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3154.227 3154.693 3154.3 3154.62 Yeah . 3154.62 EN2001a B FEO066 1 3154.32 3154.736 3154.34 3154.59 Mm-hmm . 3154.59 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3170.247 3172.451 3170.27 3172.38 How big is it without um - EN2001a E MEO069 4 3174.094 3177.68 3174.13 3177.52 Uh we looked that up and I for we looked that up and I forgot . 3177.52 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3174.423 3176.74 3174.52 3176.7 the WAV files and stuff ? 3176.7 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3178.096 3183.868 3178.12 3183.69 'Cause I could just say at um going over S_C_P_ one night and just leave it going all night if I had to . 3183.69 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3185.628 3191.744 3185.9 3191.67 Yeah yeah . No , you you we should be able to get it at I don't think it was I don't think it was a gigabyte . 3186.31 3186.41 3191.67 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3192.88 3198.265 3192.9 3198.15 It's yeah , I mean the wave data are obviously not gonna get off there completely . 3193.43 3198.15 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3193.594 3194.317 3193.64 3194.22 Hmm . 3194.22 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3197.408 3212.902 3197.54 3212.84 See I would off I would offer you to to get it on this one , and then um like copy it . But you know what I figured out , I'm quicker down-loading over broad-band into my computer than using this hard disk . There's something strange about the way how they access the hard disk , how they mount it , which is unfortunate . 3200.38 3202.23 3203.1 3207.15 3210.16 3211.71 3212.84 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3205.766 3207.351 3205.83 3207.2 Really ? Oh right ? 3206.7 3207.2 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3214.72 3217.106 3214.76 3217.05 I'll see if I can S_C_P_ it , I suppose . 3216.42 3217.05 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3218.624 3220.752 3218.64 3220.7 Hmm . What operating system do you have ? 3219.36 3220.7 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3220.912 3223.985 3220.97 3223.86 I've got a Linux box and a Windows box . So 3223.45 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3223.024 3225.058 3223.04 3224.94 Okay . Wh what connection do you have at home ? 3223.53 3224.94 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3225.536 3226.084 3225.56 3226.04 Broad-band . 3226.04 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3226.784 3234.962 3226.81 3234.86 Yeah . So if anyone of us gets it , we can then just use an ext hmm ? Yeah , burn it to C_D_ or , yeah , put it on on hard disk , whatever . 3227.17 3228.46 3231.64 3231.86 3232.97 3233.51 3234.52 3234.86 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3229.303 3233.203 3229.32 3233.1 Put it on to C_D_ . I can if I get down I can put to C_D_ . 3230.99 3233.1 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3234.64 3235.081 3234.71 3235.05 Yeah . 3235.05 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3236.352 3247.859 3236.53 3247.82 Question is if you're not quicker if you uh because you should get massive compression out of that . Like fifty percent or something with a good algorithm . So if you could compress it and just put it into a temp directory . Like 3241.55 3244.97 3247.59 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3247.138 3250.993 3247.17 3250.9 I'm not sure if there's enough space . Is how much do we get ? 3249.44 3250.9 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3249.815 3261.919 3249.85 3261.8 The temp the temps usually have for gigabyte three or two . The temps , yeah . I do like I mean there's not guarantee that anything stays there , but overnight it'll stay . And I think the temps usually have . 3254.87 3255.37 3255.65 3258.05 3259.55 3261.8 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3253.976 3255.631 3254.02 3255.59 Really ? Okay . 3254.96 3255.59 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3266.064 3272.432 3266.18 3272.36 Ah yeah , but that would have to be the temp directory off the machine you can S_S_H_ into directory of S_S_H_ . 3266.52 3272.36 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3272.464 3279.472 3272.48 3279.43 Yeah , but I can do it from that session , can't I ? You can compress it from a remote session and S_C_P_ it from the same session ? 3272.62 3274.45 3274.83 3279.43 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3282.464 3286.081 3282.48 3285.99 Yeah , they wou they'd they'd probably hate you for doing it . But 3283.02 3285.4 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3289.584 3299.437 3289.81 3299.34 They'd probably they'd like you more if you S_S_H_ uh into another computer , compress it there and then sort of copy it into the into the gateway machine . 3294.1 3299.34 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3300.24 3300.837 3300.26 3300.74 Do you think ? 3300.74 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3301.472 3307.29 3301.5 3307.18 They have um if you S_S_ hey , you know , if you if you S_S_H_ and they have this big warning about doing nothing at all in the gateway machine . 3302.71 3302.97 3307.18 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3305.746 3312.857 3305.85 3312.8 Yeah . Oh no no , I was thinking of SSHing just into some machine and then just SCPing it from there . 3306.89 3307.21 3312.8 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3310.336 3310.733 3310.36 3310.63 Yeah . 3310.63 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3315.776 3316.849 3315.86 3316.77 To your home machine . 3316.77 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3317.024 3319.279 3317.13 3319.17 Yeah . I mean it has to go through the gateway . But 3317.51 3319.03 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3318.468 3337.057 3318.49 3337.02 I haven't I haven't figured out how to tunnel through the gateway into another machine yet . It's not it's not easy definitely . That's why I end up sort of copying stuff into the temp directory at the gateway machine . Sorry if this is boring everybody else . This is just details and how to get stuff home from what we can probably just look at that together when we're meeting . 3322.61 3325.12 3328.84 3330.34 3337.02 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3321.305 3322.303 3321.34 3322.2 Can you not do that ? 3322.2 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3328.2 3329.281 3328.32 3328.94 Mm , I see . 3328.65 3328.94 EN2001a B FEO066 1 3334.252 3335.929 3334.44 3335.87 Uh th yeah . 3335.87 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3336.124 3336.731 3336.22 3336.56 Yeah . 3336.56 EN2001a B FEO066 1 3337.888 3390.029 3338.26 3389.9 'Kay . Um I just um wondered , so who's uh then doing um the frequencies on on the words , because I'm I think I will also um I could also make use of it um for the agreement and disagreement thing . Because I um I in my outline I talked about um using the um discourse acts first , and um then in the chunks of text I found looking for word patterns and so on . So um I would for example need the um most freq um frequent words . So if you cut off all that , I'd won't be use or 3338.57 3342.02 3349.62 3358.43 3368.78 3376.67 3384.86 3387.25 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3361.476 3362.073 3361.5 3361.86 I'm sorry . 3361.86 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3367.968 3368.459 3368.03 3368.35 Mm-hmm . 3368.35 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3384.648 3386.319 3384.79 3386.28 Well yeah . 3386.28 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3388.832 3399.5 3388.85 3399.33 As soon as somebody gives me the raw text of the whole thing , I can probably just implement like a five line Java hash table frequency dictionary builder and see 3393.98 EN2001a B FEO066 1 3398.912 3402.352 3399.1 3402.15 Yeah , I I but I need it for my chunks then . I would 3399.58 3401.74 EN2001a B FEO066 1 3403.488 3403.922 3403.51 3403.84 You know ? 3403.84 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3403.707 3406.929 3403.81 3406.8 Oh , did you not say frequencies f of words in the whole sorry , did uh 3403.93 3406.58 EN2001a B FEO066 1 3406.576 3424.256 3406.6 3424.01 Yeah , but I'd uh I would like to look at the frequency of words in my um in the regions of text I found out to be interesting . So I wouldn't need it . It it would have to be re-calculated only for my segments . 3406.8 3418.96 3420.34 3424.01 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3419.015 3419.888 3419.14 3419.71 So you could just - EN2001a E MEO069 4 3419.845 3421.042 3419.97 3420.89 So you'd you - EN2001a E MEO069 4 3422.58 3424.617 3422.64 3424.53 Yeah , you'd have to count it yourself , yeah . 3422.9 3424.2 3424.53 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3425.008 3427.643 3425.03 3427.56 But th first , uh how big are the chunks ? 3426.38 3427.56 EN2001a B FEO066 1 3428.832 3429.233 3428.85 3429.05 Huh ? 3429.05 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3429.152 3431.008 3429.17 3430.95 How big are the chunks you're looking at ? 3430.95 EN2001a B FEO066 1 3430.768 3446.006 3431.35 3445.81 Uh uh mm . I think it would be , you know , l as as big at as the hot-spot annotation things . That's quite small , yeah , that's some utterances . 3433.75 3437.65 3438.01 3443.31 3443.99 3444.24 3445.81 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3442.062 3461.101 3442.13 3461.05 So quite small then . So you could just um you could use just the same thing we used to build the big dictionary . You just do that on-line 'cause that won't take long to build a little dictionary that big , will it . I mean just use the same tool that we use . Yeah . 3444.21 3449.7 3455.48 3457.08 3460.83 3461.05 EN2001a A MEE068 0 3446.785 3447.046 3446.81 3446.98 Hmm . 3446.98 EN2001a B FEO066 1 3459.76 3469.072 3459.87 3469.04 Yes . Yeah , yeah . So I would probably just concatenate all my um text chunks and then let's say m I will run over it . 3460.37 3460.66 3461.39 3469.04 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3464.848 3465.307 3464.87 3465.21 Yeah . 3465.21 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3469.072 3493.169 3469.4 3493.06 Oh , you don't wanna have different counts for each chunk , but just like sort of for for something from old chunks . Oh yeah , no , that's yeah , so once I write an ar like w if I write like an algorithm which does a hash um table dictionary with frequency from a raw text , then the raw text can be anything . So how far are we g uh how f how far are you getting raw text out of it do you think ? 3469.48 3472.19 3475.79 3476.1 3476.26 3476.72 3485.99 3487.77 3493.06 EN2001a B FEO066 1 3475.104 3475.584 3475.13 3475.54 Yes . 3475.54 EN2001a C FEO065 2 3493.472 3497.6 3493.64 3497.49 Uh I can get all the raw text , but it has to be ordered still . So 3495.56 3497.21 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3498.384 3517.462 3498.58 3517.41 Okay , well that's good , because for the dictionary the order doesn't make a difference , does it ? So yeah , so um I'll get that from you and I'll write the hash table which goes over that and creates a dictionary file . So for the dictionary , is it okay if I do , whatever , word blank frequency or something ? Just p could everybody sort of start from that ? I mean I guess we can 3498.89 3499.56 3501.49 3502.11 3503.46 3509.03 3509.9 3510.7 3511.2 3513.32 3516.56 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3500.736 3502.293 3500.9 3502.12 It doesn't need ordered , no . 3501.89 3502.12 EN2001a C FEO065 2 3502.225 3503.048 3502.32 3502.97 No , it isn't . 3502.4 3502.97 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3516.619 3522.814 3516.67 3522.74 Um well that's the t are you using T_F_I_D_F_ for the information density ? 3522.74 EN2001a C FEO065 2 3523.344 3531.12 3523.39 3530.97 Um it's in what is implemented in Rainbow is information gain , and I'm not quite sure how they calculate that . 3527.74 3530.97 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3528.345 3529.467 3528.45 3529.39 Alright , okay . 3529.28 3529.39 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3532.4 3547.987 3532.42 3547.92 Like 'cause frequency would be useful , I think . But um depending on the context , the size , and what we consider a document in the sense of calculating T_F_I_D_F_ is gonna change . 3535.89 3537.7 3541.35 3542.67 3547.92 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3537.088 3539.177 3537.11 3539.09 Yeah , I I need frequency as well . 3537.76 3539.09 EN2001a C FEO065 2 3537.136 3537.66 3537.2 3537.62 Yeah . 3537.62 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3550.396 3552.323 3550.46 3552.19 Which might need thinking about . 3552.19 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3552.608 3563.328 3552.63 3563.29 Well I think we might have a lot in common what we calculate because I for my latent semantic analysis need like counts of words within a document , uh within a a segment actually , within a topic segment . 3560.05 3562.17 3563.29 EN2001a C FEO065 2 3563.248 3570.8 3563.4 3570.77 Uh that's what Rainbow does . I think you j can just get probabilities for a certain words for each document . 3564.61 3570.77 EN2001a C FEO065 2 3571.956 3572.629 3572.06 3572.52 Certain - EN2001a E MEO069 4 3572.112 3574.521 3572.13 3574.46 Can I convert these probabilities back into frequencies ? 3574.46 EN2001a C FEO065 2 3575.296 3578.992 3575.35 3578.9 Um we would have to look at that . 3578.9 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3578.944 3579.616 3578.97 3579.56 Okay . 3579.56 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3582.32 3594.833 3582.36 3594.76 Oh , so that's what f Rainbow does , because that's what L_S_A_ builds on . Like it builds a f a document by frequency matrix . So I could probably get that . Even though but I already have I already have my code to build it up myself . No , don't bother . I have my code already . Um 3582.42 3583.82 3585.08 3588.24 3589.08 3592.02 3592.14 3592.56 3594.13 EN2001a C FEO065 2 3585.479 3586.069 3585.58 3586.02 Mm-hmm . 3586.02 EN2001a C FEO065 2 3587.636 3588.152 3587.79 3588.1 Oh . 3588.1 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3596.537 3602.869 3596.75 3602.77 Yeah , so Dave , you said you need the frequency counts actually for per document , would you say , not for the whole thing ? 3596.86 3597.22 3601.4 3601.79 3602.77 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3599.006 3600.644 3599.03 3600.6 I think it would be useful , yeah . 3600.28 3600.6 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3602.322 3608.096 3602.39 3608.05 Well you need the raw frequency as well . But um 3607.4 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3609.504 3615.912 3609.52 3615.81 you also need how many times things occur within each document . 3615.81 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3617.248 3638.745 3617.34 3638.62 And um what we consider a document's gonna depend on our context , I think . 'Cause if we're looking at the whole lot of meetings , we'll consider each meeting a document in sort of terms of this algorithm . And if we're viewing like say just a small topic segment you might look at even each utterance as a small document . 3621.36 3622.73 3624.65 3629.39 3638.62 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3639.504 3658.72 3639.52 3658.56 It more and more appears to me that if we if we scrap the notion of the meeting as an individual thing and sort of ju see meetings as as topic segments and have sort of like hierarchical topic segmentation instead , then it's b like a more coherent framework . 3656.57 3658.56 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3657.097 3658.669 3657.12 3658.59 Yeah , but the thing is um 3657.39 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3662.002 3664.523 3662.04 3664.44 It's gonna need some th th thought of how we - EN2001a D MEE067 3 3666.016 3700.301 3666.17 3700.25 Actually maybe it doesn't actually matter . Maybe if you just do it once at the highest level , it it will be fine . But I was just thinking it might be difficult to calculate the T_F_I_D_F_ off-line for all the different levels we might want . 'Cause if we're gonna allow disjoint segments for example , then how are we gonna know what's gonna be in context at any given time ? But I suppose if you just did it globally , treating a meeting as a document , it'd probably still be work out fine , because you'd only be comparing to ones within the context . 3668.26 3671.44 3673.04 3681.11 3684.68 3689.2 3692.38 3693.95 3696.92 3700.25 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3698.528 3709.443 3698.55 3709.33 Wait , are we are we using this um for the for the for the do for the weighting in the end now , this this measure you're calculating ? 3698.86 3706.85 3709.33 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3709.712 3712.676 3709.73 3712.58 Uh I don't know , I thought were you gonna use that in the end ? 3710.35 3712.58 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3715.345 3716.741 3715.4 3716.71 The information density . 3716.71 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3720.449 3729.562 3720.47 3729.51 Because if we're doing Like I think for for the information density we uh we should calculate it on the lowest level , not on the highest . But like 'cause 3728.24 3728.98 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3729.299 3738.604 3729.4 3738.57 Oh sorry , that's what I mean . Like um yeah , for each word or whatever , but across the whole lot is what I mean by highest level . Like across the whole corpus . 3729.72 3730.31 3732.07 3733.96 3737.31 3738.57 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3739.104 3747.152 3739.12 3747.06 Yeah , but w it don't you have to like go sort of like for in a document versus the whole thing ? Isn't that how it works that you c look look at r 3739.26 3744.97 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3746.647 3749.328 3746.73 3749.29 Yeah , but you'd probably look at each meeting as a document . 3746.96 3749.29 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3749.648 3764.325 3749.73 3764.22 I don't think that's a good idea because isn't it like that we expect th there to change over i b with the different topic segments more ? That they talk about something different in each different topic segment . 3761.75 3764.22 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3766.4 3767.474 3766.42 3767.34 Mm possibly . 3767.34 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3771.536 3781.246 3771.66 3781.21 'Cause that's what relative term frequency is about , that like in some context they're talking more about a certain word than in general . So that would more be the the topic segments then . 3773.67 3778.73 3781.21 EN2001a C FEO065 2 3783.297 3793.856 3783.48 3793.52 Yeah , that's what I thought as well , that you that probably the the topic segment level is the most um informative for the words . 3783.65 3785.17 3793.52 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3783.376 3784.131 3783.5 3784.02 I don't know . 3784.02 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3785.392 3785.834 3785.41 3785.72 Yeah . 3785.72 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3792.208 3794.112 3792.23 3794.08 Yeah . Yeah . 3793.71 3794.08 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3794.335 3797.104 3794.42 3797.05 Are they big enough to get anything meaningful out of ? 3797.05 EN2001a C FEO065 2 3796.132 3798.469 3796.3 3798.23 Yeah , that's the problem . I don't know . 3796.49 3797.62 3798.23 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3803.984 3814.804 3804.0 3814.69 So I'm just wondering if there's ways to abandon the whole concept of of meetings and sort of but just not really treating separate meetings as too much of a separate entity . But 3814.46 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3814.158 3822.764 3814.21 3822.65 Well yeah , that is not it's not an issue . You just concatenate an X_M_L_ file together . but we still want to have like a notion of meetings for the user . 3814.62 3815.78 3818.27 3822.65 EN2001a B FEO066 1 3823.312 3825.664 3823.37 3825.56 Yes , definitely . 3824.81 3825.56 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3826.064 3831.872 3826.08 3831.79 But on algorithmic level , whether we actually whether there's some way to just represent meetings as as topics . 3827.33 3831.79 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3830.928 3848.138 3830.98 3848.03 Yeah , sure . Yeah , you just like whatever you want to look at , you just jam together into an X_M_L_ file and that's your meeting , even though bits of it may come from all over the place or whatever . I mean I don't see why that's really a big problem . 3831.21 3832.1 3832.32 3835.31 3839.48 3843.37 3848.03 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3842.208 3842.824 3842.24 3842.72 Hmm . 3842.72 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3848.224 3851.152 3848.24 3851.08 That's not really what I meant . But I think I have to think more about what I meant . 3849.12 3851.08 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3853.376 3855.328 3853.376 3855.24 Um g I'm confused about everything . 3855.24 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3856.96 3872.211 3856.98 3872.16 So basically what you're saying is you can take an arbitrary amount of data and process it with the same algorithm . It doesn't matter conceptually what that data is . It could be a meeting . it could be two utterances . it could be a meeting plus half a meeting from somewhere else . 3862.54 3866.26 3867.37 3869.27 3872.16 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3869.568 3870.157 3869.59 3870.11 Yeah . 3870.11 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3872.224 3904.336 3872.224 3904.28 I'm I'm not so concerned about the m a meeting plus something else , I'm more talking about like , yeah , the keeping keeping the same algorithm and the same way of handling it and just saying like just this this topic here i uh it happens to be like a whole meeting and it has sort of sub-topics , so just that sort of topics a hierarchical concept where like a topic where there can be super-topics and topics , and the super-topics are in the end what the meetings are , but in general at some level super-topics are treated like like topics . 3875.36 3876.16 3876.34 3889.5 3897.46 3899.88 3904.28 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3904.688 3932.267 3904.71 3932.13 I don't think it's very difficult though . I mean what you do is you just build an X_M_L_ file , and if you want it to get down to the utterances , you'd go to the leaves . And then if you wanted the next level up , you'd go to the parents of those and like just go from like the leaves inwards towards the branch to build up things like um you know , when you click on a segment , it's gonna have like words or whatever that are important . 3906.1 3909.25 3911.69 3913.38 3916.52 3926.76 3928.16 3932.13 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3934.048 3934.457 3934.07 3934.36 Hmm . 3934.36 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3937.488 3940.523 3937.56 3940.45 Mm I'm not really sure what I want . 3940.45 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3939.952 3946.097 3939.98 3946.05 As long as like the algorithms are designed um with it in mind , I don't think it's a very big problem . 3944.55 3946.05 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3947.296 3949.401 3947.32 3949.401 So sorry , could describe that again , the 3947.76 3948.75 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3949.168 3959.232 3949.19 3959.2 Well like say you had um like say for a meeting , right , you've got like uh say a hierarchy that looks quite big , like this . 3954.38 3954.62 3958.57 3959.2 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3961.776 3964.224 3961.84 3964.19 And like the utterances come off of here maybe . 3964.19 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3964.764 3965.297 3964.85 3965.17 Mm-hmm . 3965.17 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3966.0 3981.998 3966.04 3981.81 Then when whatever your algorithm is doing , as long as when you're working with utterances , you go for all the leaves , like then if you need something next up , so like a topic segment , you'd go to here . But if you were looking at say this one , so only went like this . 3968.48 3970.22 3972.14 3975.04 3976.6 3978.29 3980.73 3981.81 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3968.24 3968.658 3968.26 3968.52 Mm-hmm . 3968.52 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3985.072 3990.524 3985.18 3990.48 Right , so you it's same , you'd start with the leaves , and you go oh , I want a topic segment . So I go one layer up . 3985.42 3986.58 3987.75 3988.35 3989.48 3990.48 EN2001a E MEO069 4 3991.328 3991.753 3991.35 3991.65 Mm-hmm . 3991.65 EN2001a D MEE067 3 3992.137 4006.101 3992.16 4006.07 See , and then if you're working with just a topic segment in there , it's the only thing you have to worry about . And like each time you want a higher level , you just need to go up the tree . And as long as your algorithm respects that , then we can just 3992.6 3996.43 3998.33 4000.82 4002.56 4005.22 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4008.256 4010.144 4008.28 4010.11 process any arbitrary X_M_L_ - EN2001a D MEE067 3 4011.438 4013.918 4011.47 4013.87 file with whatever hierarchical structure we want . 4013.87 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4015.856 4021.12 4016.05 4021.09 So that would be the series as a whole . That would be sort of m meetings , yeah . 4017.95 4020.69 4021.09 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4019.152 4021.806 4019.3 4021.7 A meeting , say , and that would be a topic segment . 4019.91 4020.35 4021.7 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4023.392 4029.657 4023.47 4029.51 Yeah . I'm a I'm a I'm a bit brain-damaged at the moment , but I think I'll just sit together with you again and and go through it again . 4024.27 4026.77 4029.51 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4029.904 4038.005 4029.92 4037.97 So I think as long as you build an algorithm that respects whatever structure's in the file , rather than imposing its own structure 4036.08 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4035.728 4036.134 4035.75 4036.03 Hmm . 4036.03 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4040.528 4051.261 4040.55 4051.17 So so I'll is th it like is this and this structurally then always identical ? So that we can that we can treat it with the same algorithm or 4048.36 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4047.936 4049.237 4047.96 4049.13 Well no , it doesn't have to be . 4048.23 4049.13 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4051.184 4055.376 4051.2 4055.34 But I mean it could be as many nodes as you want . Like this one could be deeper maybe , 4053.81 4055.34 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4057.392 4065.95 4057.43 4065.82 say . So then you'd start with all your utterances here , and when you go up to get topic segments , you go to here here here here here here here . 4058.02 4060.82 4062.75 4065.82 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4067.984 4071.104 4068.0 4070.99 That might be a bit confusing though 'cause you have things on different levels . 4070.99 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4072.624 4081.709 4072.64 4081.6 Yeah , I'm also not sure how we can go from from bottom-up . I have always thought it's like more that oh , whatever , I'm a can't think of it at the moment . 4072.81 4076.11 4078.88 4079.15 4081.6 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4086.608 4092.189 4086.69 4092.04 Probably this is all too complicated worrying about that at that moment anyway . 4092.04 EN2001a A MEE068 0 4099.36 4101.347 4099.41 4101.28 Mm is there anything else we should discuss ? 4101.28 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4102.928 4114.984 4102.95 4114.9 Now have have we have we decided anything , are we doing anything ? S Wednesday we are meeting and looking at their at their implementation in some more detail to actually understand what's going on . 4105.27 4106.58 4114.9 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4106.32 4108.924 4106.34 4108.84 Well Wednesday . Yeah . 4108.43 4108.84 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4112.544 4112.978 4112.56 4112.82 Yeah . 4112.82 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4114.832 4123.34 4114.85 4123.15 So we'll see if we can get like a mini-browser just displays two things synched together of some kind . Yeah . Yeah . 4121.81 4122.99 4123.15 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4120.372 4126.608 4120.46 4126.57 We had two things from their stuff just to make sure that we are like understand it , we understand it enough to to m modify it . 4124.33 4126.57 EN2001a A MEE068 0 4127.28 4133.041 4127.45 4132.95 Yeah , should we not have like a group directory or something where we can put all our code in and that kinda thing ? 4127.57 4132.95 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4133.64 4136.209 4133.69 4135.99 It'd be useful . I don't know who you see about that though . 4134.3 4135.99 EN2001a A MEE068 0 4136.608 4137.085 4136.63 4136.91 Hmm . 4136.91 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4138.528 4144.272 4138.55 4144.19 Yep . How would we do that ? By just making like it w read write for everyone . 4139.21 4140.24 4144.19 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4146.24 4148.505 4146.26 4148.45 'Kay , who has most free space on their 4146.59 EN2001a A MEE068 0 4149.152 4150.931 4149.152 4150.78 I've gotten mm hardly any - EN2001a C FEO065 2 4149.347 4150.07 4149.49 4149.96 Mm-hmm . 4149.96 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4149.888 4151.094 4149.92 4151.03 I d have no idea . 4151.03 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4151.856 4152.849 4151.856 4152.74 Same here . 4152.74 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4153.936 4161.207 4153.96 4161.13 I've probably got a reasonable amount because um everything on my DICE account can actually be deleted 'cause I store it all at home as well . 4161.13 EN2001a A MEE068 0 4162.288 4162.804 4162.31 4162.62 Hmm . 4162.62 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4163.184 4171.942 4163.39 4171.87 Well we alternatively we can probably just make another directory on the beefy scratch space . I mean that's where I'm having gigabytes and gigabytes of stuff at the moment . 4168.12 4171.87 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4172.742 4174.297 4172.82 4174.2 Is that guaranteed to stay , the 4173.96 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4174.272 4175.746 4174.29 4175.63 No . No . 4175.35 4175.63 EN2001a A MEE068 0 4176.864 4179.761 4176.88 4179.72 Yeah , we can ask Steve if um we can get space . 4177.02 4179.72 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4180.416 4180.864 4180.45 4180.8 Yeah . 4180.8 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4183.16 4185.065 4183.21 4184.96 Maybe you should send a support form . 4184.96 EN2001a A MEE068 0 4185.632 4187.105 4185.66 4187.0 Yeah , uh we could do that . 4186.09 4187.0 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4186.061 4193.336 4186.24 4193.23 But I think if he sends to the I think if he sends to the port he'd probably be in a better position . Yeah . 4192.8 4193.23 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4186.693 4188.481 4186.71 4188.42 Just say we want some web space . 4188.42 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4191.015 4192.687 4191.06 4192.687 Listen to . 4192.57 EN2001a A MEE068 0 4193.76 4195.797 4193.81 4195.69 Yeah , I'm sure he had to deal with that last year . 4194.01 4195.69 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4195.808 4202.401 4195.87 4202.37 Yeah . 'Cause that'd be really useful is if we had a big directory . Especially for transferring stuff . 4196.58 4200.17 4202.37 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4201.984 4202.457 4202.01 4202.35 Hmm . 4202.35 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4206.649 4212.403 4206.72 4212.3 Having said that , are we allowed to take a copy of the ICSI corpus ? Something we should probably ask before we do it . 4207.25 4210.48 4212.3 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4212.368 4233.611 4212.41 4233.44 I think he said yes to that . I think uh that was like in when we were still in the seminar room , I asked that once or like ask is it possible to get it off and nobody said like people were discussing about the technical practicalities , but nobody said anything about al being allowed to or not allowed to . I mean , we have access to it here and I guess it probably means that we we can't give it to anybody else . But 4213.56 4216.22 4223.57 4226.78 4227.66 4233.28 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4213.943 4214.326 4213.943 4213.943 . 4213.943 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4216.992 4217.584 4217.01 4217.53 Okay . 4217.53 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4233.424 4233.999 4233.48 4233.9 Okay . 4233.9 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4236.016 4245.154 4236.04 4245.06 but if they give us access to it here o sitting on a DICE machine , then there shouldn't be a reason why we shouldn't be able to use it on our laptop . I personally don't have too many friends who would be too keen on getting it anyway . 4238.63 4241.96 4245.06 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4245.248 4250.281 4245.27 4250.281 No , me neither . 4245.57 4250.15 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4246.176 4247.776 4246.176 4247.59 Yeah , right . 4246.93 4247.59 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4247.168 4252.034 4247.19 4251.91 I have that really excited pirate copied thing . It annotated meeting data . 4250.31 4251.91 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4249.349 4250.576 4249.349 4250.33 Ye - EN2001a C FEO065 2 4252.195 4255.889 4252.22 4255.76 So shall we sit together tomorrow then as well ? Uh Okay . 4254.35 4255.76 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4252.059 4252.512 4252.28 4252.32 M - EN2001a A MEE068 0 4254.84 4255.389 4254.89 4255.32 Yeah . 4255.32 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4256.256 4264.368 4256.32 4264.31 Um Jasmine , uh um what is um the text you're extracting uh looking like then at the end ? 4257.65 4264.31 EN2001a C FEO065 2 4265.056 4270.74 4265.08 4270.74 Um , yeah , w would it be best ? At the moment it's it's just lines of 4265.63 4265.75 4267.6 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4268.064 4292.622 4268.32 4292.44 Because um I I think it's actually very similar to what I did for my um speaker um uh extraction and I think I would ch perhaps have to change two lines of codes to get you um for each meeting a file that says fr from um this millisecond to this millisecond there was this sequence of words . 4292.44 EN2001a C FEO065 2 4272.976 4273.477 4273.03 4273.4 Mm-hmm . 4273.4 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4294.112 4294.656 4294.13 4294.62 And so on . 4294.62 EN2001a C FEO065 2 4296.021 4296.77 4296.13 4296.7 Um - EN2001a B FEO066 1 4296.124 4301.456 4296.15 4301.41 So that's just changing two lines of code . And it would give you that . So 4300.15 4301.22 EN2001a C FEO065 2 4303.032 4308.454 4303.07 4308.23 Okay . So um you'd do you extract the words , the raw text , as well ? Uh 4303.6 4306.78 4307.58 4307.95 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4307.216 4326.928 4307.81 4326.79 Um yeah . So far I extracted um the dura durations . But it's from the words file . So I could just um contatenate concatenate um the words instead of the durations , and it should I mean 4308.54 4312.75 4314.68 4324.66 EN2001a C FEO065 2 4312.407 4312.929 4312.5 4312.81 Okay . 4312.81 EN2001a C FEO065 2 4315.13 4315.754 4315.22 4315.57 Mm-hmm . 4315.57 EN2001a C FEO065 2 4317.883 4318.64 4317.96 4318.53 Print out . 4318.53 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4329.312 4330.401 4329.33 4330.32 Should be very - EN2001a B FEO066 1 4331.488 4332.176 4331.51 4332.14 straight-forward . 4332.14 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4334.025 4341.134 4334.025 4341.02 I can try to do it and send it to you . Pe and you have a look at it , will it make sense for what you want . 4336.92 4338.95 4341.02 EN2001a C FEO065 2 4336.604 4337.901 4336.68 4337.87 Okay . Okay , that 4337.34 4337.76 EN2001a C FEO065 2 4342.782 4343.272 4342.8 4343.17 Okay . 4343.17 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4351.099 4351.465 4351.15 4351.31 Huh . 4351.31 EN2001a C FEO065 2 4351.181 4353.885 4351.34 4353.82 So have we already extracted from all the files ? 4353.82 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4354.512 4358.88 4354.56 4358.84 Yeah , uh p I mean it I just let it run over all the files . So 4354.97 4358.61 EN2001a C FEO065 2 4356.016 4356.424 4356.06 4356.39 Yeah . 4356.39 EN2001a C FEO065 2 4358.666 4360.256 4358.74 4360.21 Did you also order - EN2001a B FEO066 1 4361.04 4363.104 4361.06 4362.98 Yes . I just ordered . 4362.22 4362.98 EN2001a C FEO065 2 4361.488 4361.937 4361.59 4361.81 Mm-hmm . 4361.81 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4361.657 4364.627 4361.73 4364.48 Wait , wait , wait . Um sorry . Yeah , sorry . 4362.09 4362.31 4362.54 4363.94 4364.24 4364.48 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4365.823 4370.32 4365.92 4370.29 Uh I ordered according to the um starting times of the utterances . 4370.29 EN2001a C FEO065 2 4369.15 4369.616 4369.2 4369.57 Hmm . 4369.57 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4371.815 4381.376 4371.94 4381.34 What I just realised , we should really t keep different serieses completely separate for virtually all purposes . Just let's be careful about that , because 4372.86 4379.6 4381.03 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4381.968 4383.488 4382.18 4383.37 What do you mean by diffe - EN2001a E MEO069 4 4382.774 4392.114 4383.08 4392.01 like the the ICSI corpus isn't isn't one meeting series , it's several meeting series with different people meeting for completely different things . 4387.47 4392.01 EN2001a A MEE068 0 4387.44 4387.808 4387.47 4387.68 Hmm . 4387.68 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4392.368 4398.282 4392.71 4398.18 Yeah , I mean t I I have one what I give you would be one file for each meeting . 4392.87 4398.18 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4400.021 4401.136 4400.04 4401.07 For each meeting . 4401.07 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4401.552 4404.448 4401.57 4404.4 Yeah , not for each meeting series . I didn't do that yet . 4401.86 4403.55 4404.4 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4402.297 4402.633 4402.35 4402.52 Alright . 4402.52 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4403.254 4411.611 4403.29 4411.51 Okay , but like let's just be careful that whatever we sort of we merge together , that like the highest level of merging , it's not the whole ICSI corpus but individual series . 4403.55 4406.52 4408.37 4411.51 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4411.002 4412.54 4411.002 4412.44 Yeah , one group , yeah . 4411.63 4412.26 4412.44 EN2001a C FEO065 2 4411.727 4412.234 4411.8 4412.07 Hmm . 4412.07 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4412.089 4421.71 4412.37 4421.6 Might be funny to see what is summarised the whole corpus as anyway . I think it'd be very useful . But 4419.9 4421.5 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4415.968 4434.627 4415.968 4434.54 . I think we might actually I think That's probably be somewhere like well or something like it . Um I think we might just get away with for the whole project just like looking at only one series and just doing within one series . I mean you can do everything you want in one series . 4415.968 4424.88 4432.44 4434.54 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4434.032 4439.888 4434.05 4439.888 Yeah , I mean there's one series that has just one meeting . 4434.35 4439.47 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4437.255 4438.304 4437.28 4437.98 Oh yeah , let's take that . 4437.52 4437.98 EN2001a A MEE068 0 4437.668 4439.569 4437.72 4439.56 That sounds good . 4439.16 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4442.031 4446.272 4442.07 4446.19 Is the is the data always clearly split up by different series ? Uh like is it easy to just pick one 4444.67 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4444.864 4461.96 4444.88 4461.85 Yes . Um the you you the data is of the form you have um three identification letter . So B_E_D_ or B_B_D_ or something , and that's always the same group . And then after that there's um a number like O_O_ one , O_O_ two . So , it's a 4445.71 4451.31 4454.14 4456.09 4460.17 4460.96 4461.59 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4451.411 4452.138 4451.56 4452.03 Okay . 4452.03 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4453.693 4454.366 4453.78 4454.29 Okay . 4454.29 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4455.963 4456.653 4456.0 4456.5 Okay . 4456.5 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4461.118 4491.617 4461.15 4491.51 Okay . So at at every level everyone has to be careful to really just take even at the highest level , just take stuff from one series and not merge stuff from different series together because they would probably be just majorly messy . Yeah , so so t so like if even if we make one single text file which has the whole corpus , sort of our corpus , that would still be from one series only . Wou but it what you're producing at the moment is like individual text files that sort of have the raw text for a whole a meeting as a whole or 4461.74 4467.32 4474.38 4474.68 4480.64 4481.31 4484.57 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4470.135 4475.448 4470.22 4475.28 Yeah , but that's that's really quite easy to see because they're named . 4470.39 4475.28 EN2001a A MEE068 0 4470.636 4471.143 4470.71 4470.99 Hmm . 4470.99 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4492.048 4525.312 4492.11 4525.28 Yes . But I I mean as um the start uh start times um start for each meeting at zero , you could just probably just um add the um final second time to the next meeting and so on and just put it all together . But then we would have to change um the information about who on which channel it was set , um to by which person it was set . And that is actually stored in another X_M_L_ document . 4493.0 4501.58 4512.2 4519.62 4522.19 4525.28 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4497.855 4498.371 4497.91 4498.28 Mm-hmm . 4498.28 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4512.239 4513.129 4512.29 4513.04 Yeah . 4513.04 EN2001a A MEE068 0 4526.183 4526.632 4526.22 4526.42 Hmm . 4526.42 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4526.581 4534.505 4526.61 4534.44 'Kay . Um so is is anybody creating an uh a real raw text thing at the moment , like which is just the words ? 4528.09 4533.04 4534.44 EN2001a A MEE068 0 4534.695 4536.784 4534.72 4536.71 Yeah , that's what I'm gonna need . 4535.13 4536.71 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4537.456 4539.266 4537.48 4539.22 Yeah , tha 'cause that's what I'm gonna need as well . 4537.63 4539.22 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4538.176 4545.736 4538.2 4545.736 Yeah , I w would then just not print out the um start and end times . 4538.5 4545.33 EN2001a A MEE068 0 4543.003 4543.527 4543.12 4543.44 Yes . 4543.44 EN2001a A MEE068 0 4544.503 4546.218 4544.6 4546.03 Yeah , it's just mo changing it a bit . 4544.72 4546.03 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4544.505 4551.382 4544.6 4551.25 But i but if there uh b aren't like so it's it's start and end times just for the file . Like is it just the first and the last line ? Or is it for every single thing in 4548.53 4549.97 EN2001a C FEO065 2 4545.408 4546.067 4545.55 4545.94 Okay . 4545.94 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4550.688 4552.48 4550.72 4552.4 No , it's for every single word . 4551.08 4552.4 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4553.696 4555.185 4553.72 4554.82 We can just change the code . 4554.82 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4553.808 4557.408 4553.83 4557.25 Or for every single utterance . Yeah , that depends on what you want . 4555.62 4556.06 4557.25 EN2001a A MEE068 0 4555.702 4556.112 4555.75 4555.94 Yeah . 4555.94 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4556.56 4558.88 4556.6 4558.65 So what do you mean by just not print out that ? 4558.65 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4559.584 4565.264 4559.6 4565.16 Yeah , but I do it with Perl , it's just string manipulation . So I would I mean I would just 4559.72 4560.69 4562.52 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4563.584 4564.214 4563.67 4564.11 Okay . 4564.11 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4565.568 4588.033 4565.59 4587.97 If you're into it , can you make a text file which just like makes just the words ? 'Kay . Do you want it straight flowing , 'cause I would need something that marks the end of uh of uh is is yours segmented by topics then that like is there any information that you have to the topic , to the automated topic topic segmentation ? Oh then I need something different later anyway . Okay , but for now , if you c 4566.26 4570.34 4571.33 4572.66 4581.58 4584.71 4586.93 4587.1 4587.69 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4569.104 4570.352 4569.104 4570.352 Sure . 4570.03 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4582.4 4584.58 4582.42 4584.29 No , I didn't do a sea no . 4582.71 4584.29 EN2001a A MEE068 0 4587.004 4592.068 4587.11 4592.02 No , but uh that's what M_L_C_ seg does . It it marks the end of each segment . 4587.25 4589.74 4592.02 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4591.984 4606.166 4592.0 4606.09 Okay . You're gonna put that as an output of yours , the segmentation . Okay , so for now can you create like sort of just uh a dump which is pure text , just pure text so that I can get a dictionary and you can work on that for your topic segmentation . And 4592.37 4594.4 4595.33 4595.72 4600.32 4605.65 EN2001a A MEE068 0 4594.506 4594.822 4594.57 4594.76 Yeah . 4594.76 EN2001a A MEE068 0 4604.112 4604.488 4604.13 4604.34 Yeah . 4604.34 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4606.272 4612.161 4606.54 4612.04 And you would want that all in one file for all the corpus ? Or 4611.81 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4612.096 4620.536 4612.16 4620.4 Or for for the series . But I can but I can also deal with separate files , I mean I can just write the algorithm that it loads all files in a directory or something . But I mean if you 4613.9 4616.29 4619.5 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4613.99 4615.173 4614.08 4615.12 For the series . 4615.12 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4620.144 4623.281 4620.19 4623.15 Yeah , I can directly put it into uh just like 4620.49 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4622.432 4625.893 4622.45 4625.78 But if you can put it in one single mega-file , that would be quite useful for me . 4624.34 4625.78 EN2001a A MEE068 0 4626.491 4626.975 4626.59 4626.79 Oh . 4626.79 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4626.176 4631.792 4626.6 4631.71 So uh only words um per meeting series . 4631.71 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4632.24 4637.184 4632.49 4637.14 Even though for you , wouldn't it be easier if you had different files because then you sort of know like 4633.82 EN2001a A MEE068 0 4636.493 4636.816 4636.54 4636.77 Yeah . 4636.77 EN2001a A MEE068 0 4638.176 4640.414 4638.2 4640.33 Yeah , for me it's better if they're by meeting . 4638.4 4640.33 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4639.616 4649.924 4639.65 4649.83 Yeah . So give m give me different files as long as like it m if you could name them in a way that is easy to enumerate over them , like whatever , one two three four five or something . Or just anything that I can 4640.08 4645.07 4645.61 4648.31 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4643.728 4644.16 4643.75 4644.13 Uh-huh . 4644.13 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4647.776 4649.008 4648.13 4648.89 Yes . 4648.89 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4650.144 4656.66 4650.4 4656.58 Yeah , they will just I will just take I would uh take over the names they have anyway . 4650.7 4656.58 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4656.627 4663.442 4656.67 4663.32 Yeah . Is is it something that's easily enu like to enumerate over ? Is it some just some ordered pattern ? Okay , cool . 4657.2 4659.69 4662.74 4663.03 4663.32 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4660.768 4661.616 4661.08 4661.47 Yeah , yeah . 4661.22 4661.47 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4662.704 4667.524 4662.81 4667.34 Yeah , one series has the um same three starting letters . So 4663.28 4667.07 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4667.067 4669.316 4667.12 4669.2 Okay , cool . Yeah . 4667.46 4668.81 4669.2 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4669.088 4672.56 4669.11 4672.45 So only words and words and times . And you 4672.12 EN2001a C FEO065 2 4672.094 4676.992 4672.23 4676.96 Uh I don't need the times , I just need the words . But um 4673.4 4675.46 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4677.28 4678.24 4677.32 4678.05 In the right order . 4678.05 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4677.904 4683.168 4677.92 4683.168 Yeah , you want it ordered . Okay . Okay , anybody 4678.16 4679.46 4680.83 4680.99 EN2001a C FEO065 2 4678.098 4682.656 4678.19 4682.656 Yeah , in the right order . Yes . 4678.4 4679.19 4682.45 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4680.322 4684.276 4680.322 4684.08 It's just a wish list . Orders . 4683.43 4684.08 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4685.219 4687.008 4685.37 4686.88 Um ord base dot times . 4686.88 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4688.08 4689.472 4688.1 4689.25 Yeah , and do you want 4688.3 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4690.96 4694.732 4690.98 4694.58 Yeah , sometimes they're contained in one another . So 4691.22 4694.18 EN2001a C FEO065 2 4694.848 4697.392 4694.87 4697.1 Yeah , that doesn't matter too much , I think . 4695.11 4696.56 4697.1 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4696.4 4699.136 4696.42 4699.1 Just after th mm-hmm . 'Kay . 4698.8 4699.1 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4700.32 4702.667 4700.34 4702.57 Ordered . Only words . 4701.62 4702.57 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4707.888 4714.947 4708.09 4714.83 When do you think you'll have um like a primitive segmentation by some ready-made topic segmentation by some ready-made tool ready ? 4714.83 EN2001a A MEE068 0 4715.712 4721.377 4715.76 4721.32 Then that'll be really easy to do once they've got the raw text . It's just a case of running the script . 4719.1 4721.32 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4719.408 4719.972 4719.43 4719.9 Okay . 4719.9 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4721.68 4724.794 4721.7 4724.69 Okay , cool . 'Cause I'll need that then when it's done . 4722.06 4723.01 4724.69 EN2001a A MEE068 0 4724.815 4726.525 4724.85 4726.45 Yeah , I mean hopefully this week . 4725.12 4726.45 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4726.912 4727.409 4726.94 4727.35 Okay . 4727.35 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4727.2 4739.92 4727.29 4739.87 Um and I think um for all the corpus , it's just from I know from other times , it's um nine megami byte to have I mean should be should be similar to have the words . Should be . 4729.95 4732.05 4739.33 4739.87 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4734.336 4734.745 4734.36 4734.66 Mm-hmm . 4734.66 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4737.1 4738.696 4737.18 4738.55 Is that it ? That's quite good . 4737.89 4738.55 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4740.592 4742.522 4740.61 4742.4 What's what's nine megabyte ? The the 4741.93 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4742.144 4745.968 4742.16 4745.88 Na um all the words together um for all the meetings . 4745.88 EN2001a A MEE068 0 4746.736 4747.187 4746.92 4747.08 Alright . 4747.08 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4747.104 4753.234 4747.14 4753.04 That sounds quite reasonable . That's nine nine characters over okay . 4748.03 4753.04 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4749.232 4761.199 4749.62 4761.1 That's what I'm guessing that's , you know , um what I because nine mega-byte is what I got for when I said for every um utterance , this is goes from there to there and 4751.62 4752.21 4759.21 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4759.221 4766.537 4759.26 4766.42 Okay . Okay . That is for are we are we picking one particular series at the moment ? Or 4761.21 4762.67 4766.16 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4762.864 4764.8 4762.89 4764.74 takes takes seconds . 4764.74 EN2001a A MEE068 0 4767.687 4768.358 4767.71 4768.28 And we could - EN2001a B FEO066 1 4767.776 4773.68 4767.85 4773.68 Oh . Yeah , I mean I'm it doing it for all of it . Doesn't matter . 4768.97 4769.36 4772.8 4773.65 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4769.728 4770.092 4769.75 4770.05 Yes . 4770.05 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4773.76 4774.811 4774.21 4774.7 Okay . 4774.7 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4775.872 4792.375 4775.89 4792.22 Yeah . Yeah , I guess we can probably process the data for all different series and then check which series is the best for the presentation . It sounds quite reasonable , nine megabyte . I mean if you think if it's r roughly a million words and nine characters per word sounds realisti 4776.39 4776.51 4784.48 4785.26 4785.9 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4781.216 4781.717 4781.27 4781.65 Yeah . 4781.65 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4790.528 4795.344 4790.55 4795.29 Yeah , I mean I hope it will be the same for the words . It's just what I 4790.83 4794.46 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4795.744 4796.21 4795.77 4796.14 Yeah . 4796.14 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4798.771 4814.844 4798.88 4814.74 Yes , I'm gonna build a dictionary then from that . Like just a list of the words that maybe a list of the words with the frequencies or a list of the words sorted alphabetically or numerically . What what does anyone want ? Does this there any wishes for dictionaries ? 4799.08 4801.57 4811.48 4812.61 4814.74 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4809.387 4809.76 4809.46 4809.52 I - EN2001a D MEE067 3 4816.806 4824.232 4816.91 4824.19 I could just use it with the frequency , I think , until the information density thing's finished . That would be really useful . 4819.28 4820.54 4823.08 4824.19 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4824.768 4839.408 4824.86 4839.35 Mm-hmm . Mm . So so um I will probably send um just one file of the first meeting um to all those who need it so that you can have a look whether that's what you want . 4825.73 4827.05 4839.35 EN2001a C FEO065 2 4825.216 4825.75 4825.34 4825.59 Hmm . 4825.59 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4826.613 4828.032 4826.63 4827.95 So I'll create a dictionary . 4827.95 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4838.374 4844.327 4838.44 4844.22 Add add the structure , yeah . And then the actual file we can probably like copy from your home directory or something like it . 4839.55 4840.13 4844.22 EN2001a C FEO065 2 4839.839 4840.338 4839.91 4840.27 Mm-hmm . 4840.27 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4844.4 4847.345 4844.42 4847.23 Yeah , I mean if it's just for one meeting , it's really not too big . 4844.63 4846.21 4847.23 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4847.168 4852.916 4847.19 4852.76 Yeah yeah , but I'm sa I'm saying for the whole thing in the end . Then like the big thing we probably shouldn't do by email . 4847.51 4849.32 4852.76 EN2001a B FEO066 1 4849.488 4849.955 4849.51 4849.8 Yeah . 4849.8 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4855.328 4855.761 4855.38 4855.66 Yeah . 4855.66 EN2001a C FEO065 2 4856.286 4863.264 4856.57 4863.09 How long would it take to make the frequency counts with a Java hash table ? 4863.09 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4863.36 4871.253 4863.43 4871.22 Oh , from the time I get the file I can do that in an afternoon , the next sort of the next morning . Oh , you mean how long processing time it takes . 4863.55 4866.28 4869.18 4869.32 4871.22 EN2001a C FEO065 2 4868.176 4868.912 4868.2 4868.82 Yeah . 4868.82 EN2001a C FEO065 2 4871.024 4874.384 4871.04 4873.98 No , how long you would have to program something . 4871.27 4873.98 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4873.696 4890.154 4873.78 4890.04 Ah , it's a it's a bog standard algorithm . I've I've sort of I've written it for for DIL just in half an hour or something similar . It's just you put them in a hash table and and say well if it exists already in the hash table then you increase the count by one and I'll probably implement some filter for filtering out numbers or something . 4873.92 4875.77 4880.28 4890.04 EN2001a C FEO065 2 4879.741 4880.489 4879.8 4880.1 Okay . 4880.1 EN2001a C FEO065 2 4886.32 4886.813 4886.37 4886.73 Mm . 4886.73 EN2001a C FEO065 2 4890.831 4899.768 4891.18 4899.73 Because it's quite easy in Perl as well , it's just a line of code for counting all the words and yeah , it's it's by hashes . 4893.03 4898.19 4899.73 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4897.232 4898.512 4897.25 4898.48 Really ? How do you do that ? 4897.73 4898.48 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4900.64 4907.017 4900.66 4906.93 Okay , well I don't know any Perl . I mean if anyone wants to do a Perl script for that that does it does it nicely , I uh 4900.92 4901.86 4906.3 EN2001a C FEO065 2 4901.599 4902.139 4901.68 4902.05 Yeah . 4902.05 EN2001a C FEO065 2 4905.008 4906.016 4905.03 4906.016 Yeah . 4905.27 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4909.247 4922.094 4909.27 4921.92 I've no problem with that . I but I think I have the Java code virtually ready because for DIL I wrote something very similar . Like for DIL I wrote something that counts the the different occurrences of all the tags um 4910.12 4916.17 EN2001a C FEO065 2 4915.068 4915.478 4915.12 4915.39 'Kay . 4915.39 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4921.541 4934.695 4921.63 4934.56 If you're doing it in Java , could you um serialize the output as well as writing it to a file ? If you're doing it in Java , could you serialize the um dictionary , yeah , as well as writing it to a file ? 4922.97 4928.03 4929.12 4932.95 4933.1 4934.56 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4927.264 4927.819 4927.3 4927.66 Sorry ? 4927.66 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4931.696 4932.754 4931.82 4932.66 The hash table ? 4932.66 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4934.976 4937.071 4935.0 4937.01 Uh I've never serialized anything . 4937.01 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4936.159 4937.552 4936.25 4937.52 It's really easy . 4937.52 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4938.624 4940.562 4938.64 4940.46 Wouldn't that be absolutely massive though ? 4940.46 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4941.824 4944.106 4941.91 4943.99 I don't see why it'd be any more massive than the file . 4943.99 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4944.304 4951.925 4944.32 4951.82 And then seriali and then write the serialization to a file . So you want like a se like a file which is the serialization of a hash table . 4948.43 4951.82 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4947.264 4947.821 4947.32 4947.73 Yeah . 4947.73 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4951.114 4953.445 4951.16 4953.35 It just saves you parsing the um - EN2001a E MEO069 4 4954.253 4954.646 4954.31 4954.58 Okay . 4954.58 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4955.44 4961.876 4955.46 4961.74 file representation of it . And now 'cause I would be using it in Java anyway . So I'd just be building the data structure again . 4956.71 4959.51 4961.74 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4961.616 4972.299 4961.64 4972.21 Yeah . I I'll I'll check if I understand how it works . I mean otherwise I can give you the code for loading a dictionary . Give you my my it's just it's it's sort of it's a line break separated file , you know . 4961.86 4964.13 4967.66 4971.83 4972.21 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4971.594 4976.816 4971.86 4976.73 Yeah , but it seems like a bit silly to be parsing it over and over again kinda thing . 4972.01 4976.73 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4977.024 4977.658 4977.06 4977.57 Yeah . 4977.57 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4982.592 4988.101 4982.62 4988.01 Yeah , I'll see if I understand how to serialize . There's a there's a serialise command so that gives me one mega mother of a s 4982.9 4984.6 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4987.152 4994.56 4987.25 4994.49 I would've thought that um I think all the collections and things implement serializable already . 4994.49 EN2001a E MEO069 4 4994.688 4998.365 4994.71 4998.23 Yeah , but do they automatically write to the file anyway I'll I'll figure that out . We don't have to 4994.86 4997.62 EN2001a D MEE067 3 4997.064 4998.312 4997.18 4998.25 I think they might do . 4998.25 EN2001a E MEO069 4 5000.384 5002.336 5000.46 5002.26 Yes , is that pretty much 5000.93 EN2001a E MEO069 4 5004.656 5005.572 5004.68 5005.34 pretty much it ? 5005.34 EN2001a E MEO069 4 5008.48 5013.601 5008.5 5013.52 So Dave and me look at how NITE X_M_L_ works and we're - EN2001a D MEE067 3 5012.912 5021.12 5013.02 5021.09 Tonight I'll try and um I'll either work some more on uh the T_F_I_D_F_ summarizer or do the audio thing . 5021.09 EN2001a E MEO069 4 5021.872 5022.298 5021.89 5022.16 Hmm . 5022.16 EN2001a E MEO069 4 5025.872 5029.216 5026.35 5029.1 I'll build a dictionary as soon as I get the text . 5029.1 EN2001a E MEO069 4 5031.808 5033.031 5031.83 5032.87 And yeah , so that 5032.49 EN2001a E MEO069 4 5035.271 5038.208 5035.4 5038.07 When do we have to meet again then with this ? 5038.07 EN2001a A MEE068 0 5039.58 5041.36 5039.62 5041.31 Don't know . Suppose we're just getting on with all our 5039.92 EN2001a D MEE067 3 5042.128 5042.643 5042.15 5042.58 Yeah . 5042.58 EN2001a A MEE068 0 5042.432 5043.472 5042.45 5043.43 components . So 5043.12 EN2001a E MEO069 4 5044.24 5047.406 5044.26 5047.3 How are we gonna do a demonstrator next week ? My God . 5046.59 5047.3 EN2001a D MEE067 3 5047.216 5048.98 5047.24 5048.88 Do we have to demonstrate something next week ? 5048.88 EN2001a A MEE068 0 5047.221 5049.192 5047.25 5048.99 I know . Wa 5048.83 EN2001a B FEO066 1 5049.504 5050.986 5049.55 5050.89 What do we have to demonstrate ? 5050.89 EN2001a E MEO069 4 5050.756 5060.16 5050.83 5060.05 No no , not demonstrate , but like didn't you say that uh didn't we sort of agree that it would be useful to have a demonstrator of it , like some primitive thing working next week . 5051.21 5051.86 5057.79 5060.05 EN2001a A MEE068 0 5059.413 5063.063 5059.43 5062.96 Yeah . Yeah , he suggested that we could have an uh initial prototype . 5060.09 5060.21 5062.96 EN2001a E MEO069 4 5063.703 5067.071 5063.703 5067.071 That's gotta be very prototype . 5066.9 EN2001a A MEE068 0 5066.639 5072.336 5066.7 5072.3 I know , I'd b I'd be surprised if we can get anything working by next week . 5067.05 5072.3 EN2001a D MEE067 3 5067.103 5067.618 5067.18 5067.55 Yeah . 5067.55 EN2001a E MEO069 4 5074.816 5080.984 5074.84 5080.984 Mm-hmm . Ah well , let's go . Sorry . 5076.96 5077.29 5078.86 5080.76 EN2001a A MEE068 0 5081.05 5081.311 5081.07 5081.24 Alright . 5081.24 EN2001a E MEO069 4 5084.968 5095.431 5085.2 5095.24 I feel like like hanging mid-air and not really like finding a point where you can get your teeth into it and start working properly and so it's all so fuzzy the whole - EN2001a D MEE067 3 5092.304 5093.352 5092.34 5093.27 Yeah , I know . 5092.75 5093.27 EN2001a D MEE067 3 5098.238 5108.058 5098.29 5107.97 I think it's 'cause we had to specify it ourselves that it's not as um like focus the specification of most um work we have to do . 5107.97 EN2001a E MEO069 4 5106.902 5115.558 5106.98 5115.36 Yeah , but it at the moment but at the moment it's also an implementational level . Like with the data structures , I'm just like over these vague ideas of some trees , I'm f 5107.25 5110.04 5111.1 5114.53 EN2001a D MEE067 3 5113.516 5114.215 5113.62 5114.09 Yeah . 5114.09 EN2001a D MEE067 3 5115.44 5119.649 5115.46 5119.5 Once we start doing it it will all become more or less obvious I think anyway . 5119.5 EN2001a E MEO069 4 5119.482 5126.403 5119.57 5126.403 Yeah . It's just we are half-way through the project time table . That's just what freaks me out . 5120.94 5123.14 5126.25 EN2001a E MEO069 4 5132.104 5132.67 5132.15 5132.57 Um - EN2001b A FEO066 0 2.977 3.368 3.09 3.24 Hmm - EN2001b C FEO065 2 22.269 22.726 22.3 22.69 Yeah . 22.69 EN2001b A FEO066 0 28.593 34.663 28.593 34.663 It's with cameras . 34.62 EN2001b B MEO069 1 32.027 32.942 32.19 32.86 Hmm ? 32.86 EN2001b A FEO066 0 35.633 38.84 35.67 38.84 You look quite funny at the moment , Tim . 37.2 38.78 EN2001b B MEO069 1 42.859 45.319 42.91 45.319 This isn't supposed to look like just - EN2001b B MEO069 1 47.928 49.381 48.09 49.35 Ah , sod that . Okay , there . 48.27 49.13 49.26 49.35 EN2001b A FEO066 0 49.606 52.352 49.606 52.352 Nice . 52.03 EN2001b B MEO069 1 54.785 56.648 54.81 56.42 Group K_ . Da . 56.01 56.42 EN2001b B MEO069 1 58.325 58.829 58.48 58.67 Yeah . 58.67 EN2001b B MEO069 1 65.296 67.583 65.33 67.53 Yeah , I guess . Whatever . 65.55 67.05 67.53 EN2001b B MEO069 1 70.651 82.866 70.75 82.44 It's yeah , I never get this , so what's the point of if this is strapless if this strap's supposed to go behind m I obviously doing this wrong . Obviously failing this like whatev calling centre and tra 71.08 71.9 78.24 EN2001b C FEO065 2 81.471 86.361 81.54 86.33 You you have this going behind your ears , the yeah . Yeah . 84.4 86.03 86.33 EN2001b B MEO069 1 84.446 90.852 84.49 90.65 Like this and then yeah , you know what the shit has to do now . 88.57 90.65 EN2001b D MEE068 3 86.285 88.704 86.4 88.704 Look's good . 88.33 EN2001b D MEE068 3 95.879 96.378 95.99 96.19 Yeah . 96.19 EN2001b B MEO069 1 97.472 98.812 97.49 98.7 Okay . 98.7 EN2001b B MEO069 1 106.336 112.763 106.43 112.62 Yes , so um actually I just realise I don't have power , let me just switch on the other which is gonna run out . 106.73 110.65 112.62 EN2001b B MEO069 1 117.577 118.217 117.71 118.08 Okay . 118.08 EN2001b D MEE068 3 118.76 119.209 118.82 119.12 Okay . 119.12 EN2001b B MEO069 1 123.115 134.384 123.19 134.33 So there's probably not much to talk about at the moment in terms of like talking about each other's stuff , I mean beyond what we've been talking about yesterday . 131.95 134.33 EN2001b D MEE068 3 134.448 135.647 134.51 135.61 Yeah , that's true I think . 134.71 135.61 EN2001b B MEO069 1 136.074 166.64 136.18 166.58 So what I've been thinking is maybe if we try to really make sense together of the X_M_L_ format to be sure that we can all produce the data that we are producing in a way or at least I mean I guess my data I'll probably load in from completely different way anyway because it's matrix , but all this stuff that goes with annotation , that we have it in the right format . Maybe if we just sort of pool what we know about the X_M_L_ format and try to make sense of it . I don't at all know how to go about this . 154.34 156.57 158.61 163.53 166.58 EN2001b B MEO069 1 168.256 174.032 168.28 174.032 Um what I did just now is I downloaded - EN2001b B MEO069 1 180.624 183.504 180.64 183.46 Um I downloaded some - EN2001b B MEO069 1 184.56 215.008 184.58 215.008 files , some X_M_L_ files and I was thinking if we maybe just should go through some of them and like try to see if you understand the general structure and pool together what we think about the structure , what we think that things mean . And then talk about how the annotation for information density and stuff should maybe be structured in a similar way . Or but I don't r I don't really have an idea like what , other words , what we would do today in this meeting . I mean 185.6 198.58 200.44 209.69 212.39 212.78 214.31 EN2001b D MEE068 3 187.248 187.688 187.33 187.62 Oh yeah . 187.62 EN2001b D MEE068 3 208.224 208.716 208.38 208.6 Yeah . 208.6 EN2001b C FEO065 2 208.434 208.874 208.47 208.83 Hmm . 208.83 EN2001b D MEE068 3 216.144 218.214 216.29 218.15 Yeah , we haven't got that much to talk about , I don't think . 216.44 217.69 218.15 EN2001b C FEO065 2 217.92 223.872 217.94 223.84 No . Just maybe talk about um how you would give me your data file . Yeah . 218.16 223.57 223.84 EN2001b D MEE068 3 222.717 223.282 222.78 223.09 Yeah . 223.09 EN2001b D MEE068 3 224.656 225.514 224.68 225.41 Yes , we can do that . 224.96 225.41 EN2001b B MEO069 1 226.609 227.657 226.8 227.53 What's that part ? 227.53 EN2001b C FEO065 2 228.192 237.661 228.27 237.5 That's um the interface between having the topic segments and calculating the uh information importance of words . 237.5 EN2001b B MEO069 1 233.051 233.874 233.12 233.76 Mm-hmm . 233.76 EN2001b B MEO069 1 237.808 238.4 237.87 238.35 Mm-hmm . 238.35 EN2001b C FEO065 2 238.96 246.493 238.98 246.37 Yeah . So I I would need separate files for each segment or just maybe have delimiters inbetween each segment . 239.52 246.37 EN2001b D MEE068 3 243.072 243.654 243.11 243.49 Alright . 243.49 EN2001b D MEE068 3 245.664 250.004 245.68 250.004 Yeah well , that that's the way it works . It's got delimiters in-between the mar the boundaries . But 246.11 247.32 249.69 EN2001b C FEO065 2 248.363 250.784 248.4 250.7 Okay , yeah , and y then I can make files of that . 248.81 249.0 250.7 EN2001b D MEE068 3 250.701 263.143 250.75 263.143 Yeah , if you're happy to do that , yeah . And you're saying you need a a label for each segment . But I mean the most I ca you don't need a one . Well , I could give you an I_D_ , but it'd be quite difficult to actually give a topic a title . 250.99 251.9 252.35 254.73 258.03 258.15 259.04 262.96 EN2001b C FEO065 2 251.93 252.346 251.98 252.26 Alright . 252.26 EN2001b C FEO065 2 255.6 257.728 255.64 257.66 No , I don't kno know it , no . 255.8 257.36 257.66 EN2001b C FEO065 2 259.641 260.539 259.72 260.41 Yeah , that's fine . 259.87 260.41 EN2001b C FEO065 2 261.665 267.504 261.74 267.47 I just I just need a a title for the file , but doesn't matter what it is . 265.23 267.47 EN2001b D MEE068 3 266.121 269.431 266.22 269.24 Right . Okay . Yeah , that's no problem . 267.61 268.51 268.63 269.24 EN2001b B MEO069 1 272.401 292.192 272.49 292.14 Yes , so does anyone have a good idea where to start like which what so what is it we talk about getting in at the moment ? We're basically just 'cause the two of you will merge your data together , right ? In some way like i in the end it'll result in one annotation . So the only thing we're trying to tie in is just an additional annotation which is similar to 272.93 278.12 281.06 281.82 286.23 EN2001b A FEO066 0 282.422 283.178 282.52 283.12 Mm yes . 283.12 EN2001b B MEO069 1 293.664 300.947 293.68 300.947 the annotation about what what would it be s most similar to . Simply to the segmentation information or 297.64 EN2001b A FEO066 0 299.904 310.947 299.92 310.947 Yes , perhaps yeah , but I mean they're all very very similar , all those X_M_L_ files . I had um a look at the um for example A_S_ 300.25 301.04 303.75 305.45 EN2001b B MEO069 1 304.422 305.354 304.83 305.3 Okay . 305.3 EN2001b B MEO069 1 309.892 320.63 310.0 320.53 I'm not sure it Ah . See , that's what I was thinking . Not sure what software I have at the moment , which would be hello ? 313.9 314.18 316.29 318.83 320.53 EN2001b C FEO065 2 311.328 312.544 311.46 312.49 Mm . 312.49 EN2001b A FEO066 0 312.063 312.479 312.15 312.37 Mm . 312.37 EN2001b B MEO069 1 321.92 322.352 321.94 322.352 Um - EN2001b B MEO069 1 326.368 326.672 326.5 326.64 Yeah . 326.64 EN2001b B MEO069 1 328.161 328.608 328.18 328.22 Ah . 328.22 EN2001b B MEO069 1 332.672 336.369 332.69 336.31 Does anyone know any good standards software displays X_M_L_ , I'm not sure . 335.33 336.31 EN2001b A FEO066 0 336.64 337.573 336.67 337.49 Take Mozilla . 337.49 EN2001b B MEO069 1 338.235 342.351 338.36 342.26 Yeah , but I'm afraid I only have Firefox and Firefox doesn't have the nice X_M_L_ viewer anymore . 338.52 342.26 EN2001b D MEE068 3 344.245 344.543 344.32 344.47 Hmm . 344.47 EN2001b B MEO069 1 344.384 346.864 344.5 346.83 I think I don't have Mozilla . 346.83 EN2001b B MEO069 1 348.14 348.587 348.14 348.14 . 348.14 EN2001b B MEO069 1 350.464 351.081 350.5 350.91 No . 350.91 EN2001b B MEO069 1 354.182 355.888 354.23 355.7 I can probably just Emacs them . 355.7 EN2001b C FEO065 2 358.563 369.982 358.62 369.93 So uh we have then when we are mixing our um values together , is it um a value for each um expression , for each sentence or something ? 363.73 368.44 369.93 EN2001b A FEO066 0 370.4 376.043 370.47 375.99 Yeah , I think that would be m I mean uh for me it's quite difficult to say o on , 370.73 375.99 EN2001b C FEO065 2 372.096 372.816 372.14 372.78 Yeah . 372.78 EN2001b A FEO066 0 377.232 383.296 377.25 383.26 you know , w um what scope one annotation would have . 377.92 383.26 EN2001b C FEO065 2 381.778 382.56 381.88 382.5 Mm-mm . 382.5 EN2001b A FEO066 0 384.832 388.32 384.85 388.21 I think it would be certainly more than one word and - EN2001b A FEO066 0 389.712 394.16 389.73 394.13 I think it would work best with utterances or segments . 394.13 EN2001b C FEO065 2 392.592 393.172 392.61 393.07 Yeah . 393.07 EN2001b C FEO065 2 395.338 401.088 395.39 401.0 Yeah , I would just end up with uh values for each word , so I wouldn't have um 395.57 398.81 EN2001b A FEO066 0 395.415 395.713 395.51 395.6 Yep . 395.6 EN2001b C FEO065 2 402.086 405.57 402.11 405.47 any boundaries for segments at all . 405.47 EN2001b B MEO069 1 406.784 407.41 407.11 407.41 But - EN2001b C FEO065 2 407.072 414.498 407.13 414.34 I just I just would have the words , and then how we um how long each expression would be , I don't know . 409.73 413.74 414.34 EN2001b B MEO069 1 415.029 420.128 415.22 420.09 But going from from a word business , wouldn't it be easier to then go back and calculate for each utterance ? 417.28 420.09 EN2001b C FEO065 2 420.656 424.123 420.68 423.83 Yeah , but what is an utterance . Uh , yeah . 420.86 422.75 423.25 423.83 EN2001b B MEO069 1 422.81 424.781 422.85 424.781 You know , wha wha each turn , so if we 423.08 424.1 EN2001b A FEO066 0 424.006 431.107 424.09 430.92 I think just the segments as they're segmented in the for example in the point se point six five . 430.92 EN2001b C FEO065 2 425.856 426.489 425.88 426.41 Okay . 426.41 EN2001b B MEO069 1 427.6 428.205 427.62 428.12 Yeah . 428.12 EN2001b C FEO065 2 429.935 436.977 429.98 436.977 So what we what we would fit in into the XML files , would it be uh um a value for each utterance ? Or what you 433.34 436.14 EN2001b A FEO066 0 438.416 439.136 438.49 439.1 I think so . 439.1 EN2001b C FEO065 2 439.026 439.441 439.1 439.34 Okay . 439.34 EN2001b A FEO066 0 444.016 453.888 444.04 453.77 And you would s probably still need um your values for the words , um perhaps for for um the keywords that are displayed 448.96 EN2001b C FEO065 2 453.339 454.012 453.46 453.91 Mm-hmm . 453.91 EN2001b A FEO066 0 455.312 456.544 455.33 456.48 when you click on something . 456.48 EN2001b C FEO065 2 456.036 460.544 456.06 460.544 So then we would have to fit in more than just one where values um - EN2001b D MEE068 3 459.198 459.73 459.27 459.61 Mm . 459.61 EN2001b A FEO066 0 460.976 466.773 461.0 466.68 Yeah , but that's another representation then , I think , f for the importance measure . 461.1 463.77 464.61 466.68 EN2001b B MEO069 1 464.585 465.067 464.65 464.93 So d - EN2001b C FEO065 2 465.525 466.065 465.57 466.02 Yeah . 466.02 EN2001b B MEO069 1 467.479 474.208 467.56 474.16 Does anyone does anyone know in which file the actual , like what's it called , the splitting into the utterances ? 471.35 472.31 474.16 EN2001b C FEO065 2 467.529 469.757 467.61 469.757 But um - EN2001b A FEO066 0 468.136 469.159 468.16 469.05 Should yeah . 469.05 EN2001b A FEO066 0 474.812 475.785 474.89 475.65 Um po - EN2001b D MEE068 3 474.832 478.896 475.07 478.86 Um is it not segments ? Or is it dialogue act dialogue acts ? 476.94 478.86 EN2001b B MEO069 1 476.704 477.81 476.85 477.81 Is is called is that - EN2001b A FEO066 0 476.844 477.441 476.86 477.3 Yes . 477.3 EN2001b A FEO066 0 478.816 487.607 478.84 487.57 No , it's not . It's um for example , there's uh B_D_B_O_O_ one C_ point six . 479.1 480.08 481.89 487.57 EN2001b B MEO069 1 481.45 481.941 481.57 481.941 Is it - EN2001b B MEO069 1 485.915 488.32 486.1 488.28 What does it end with ? Does it with with SAX ? 486.97 488.28 EN2001b B MEO069 1 489.904 490.889 489.93 490.78 Does that look like it ? 490.78 EN2001b A FEO066 0 492.432 496.745 492.45 496.61 Uh I can't see anything very much , but yeah , that's that's it . 494.7 495.59 496.61 EN2001b D MEE068 3 494.108 495.313 494.108 495.22 Yeah . 495.22 EN2001b C FEO065 2 494.292 495.049 494.4 494.96 Mm uh-huh . 494.96 EN2001b B MEO069 1 495.164 496.375 495.23 496.23 Okay . 496.23 EN2001b D MEE068 3 496.304 497.44 496.32 497.41 I think that's it , yeah . 497.11 497.41 EN2001b B MEO069 1 498.352 499.292 498.63 499.17 Be nice . 499.17 EN2001b D MEE068 3 498.607 501.168 498.65 501.13 Yeah , they've all got an I_D_ for each utterance . 498.78 501.13 EN2001b B MEO069 1 500.976 503.728 501.11 503.53 Let's actually just see if maybe K_ right . 503.53 EN2001b B MEO069 1 505.04 509.696 505.39 509.6 Oh this is how much time you spend just getting the right software going . 509.6 EN2001b B MEO069 1 514.056 516.675 514.08 516.57 Is that better to see ? I guess yeah , white and black is better to see . 514.88 515.39 516.57 EN2001b C FEO065 2 519.76 520.608 519.78 520.42 Yeah , it's better . 519.95 520.42 EN2001b A FEO066 0 520.464 522.033 520.48 521.98 Can you use a bigger font ? 521.98 EN2001b B MEO069 1 521.208 524.928 521.42 524.928 So just see if I can view - EN2001b B MEO069 1 537.28 538.053 537.31 537.91 Okay . 537.91 EN2001b B MEO069 1 539.842 541.081 540.55 541.081 So - EN2001b A FEO066 0 541.312 554.4 541.47 554.25 Okay , so here there's for um each segment um uh that's really all segments , I mean it's it can be words or topics or um anything I think . 541.88 549.0 554.25 EN2001b B MEO069 1 544.128 545.354 544.15 545.354 This this - EN2001b A FEO066 0 556.304 564.608 556.32 564.608 Um that's why th it's for example , time provenance dialogue act or time provenance segment or time provenance 559.85 EN2001b D MEE068 3 565.942 568.561 566.0 568.43 Yeah , and it's got a different uh file for each speaker . 566.1 568.43 EN2001b B MEO069 1 569.54 573.6 569.68 573.57 But what is this ? I mean this doesn't contain any content . Like any text . 570.38 572.43 573.57 EN2001b A FEO066 0 573.424 575.184 573.54 575.15 No , but it yeah . 573.9 575.15 EN2001b D MEE068 3 573.105 576.024 573.62 575.83 N no , it just points to the to the words . 573.84 575.83 EN2001b B MEO069 1 578.112 581.914 578.13 581.914 Oh wait , somebody s s somebody explain that slowly to me . So 578.62 581.09 EN2001b A FEO066 0 583.312 596.843 583.36 596.81 Yeah , it p Oh , well some of them point to the words , other others point to the um dialogue acts . So that's kind of the global thing that ties together other things . 583.52 584.34 585.99 590.01 596.81 EN2001b D MEE068 3 588.928 589.936 588.97 589.9 Yeah , yeah . 589.64 589.9 EN2001b B MEO069 1 595.296 598.628 595.32 598.51 So what do all these things in this file have in common ? What what are they ? 597.57 598.51 EN2001b A FEO066 0 599.632 600.194 599.65 600.08 Um - EN2001b A FEO066 0 601.472 604.784 601.49 604.784 yeah , they have their NITE I_D_ , the time 601.66 604.03 EN2001b B MEO069 1 605.015 610.295 605.015 610.22 No but w like uh so they are they are segments in what sense ? Wh what's definition of a segment then ? 608.27 610.22 EN2001b D MEE068 3 608.94 613.091 609.0 613.091 The I suppose so , the utterances . But also includes things like like 609.97 610.92 EN2001b A FEO066 0 611.575 616.198 611.575 616.06 The segment is what is displayed in one line um by NITE . 616.06 EN2001b B MEO069 1 614.87 617.84 615.39 617.72 Okay . And 617.42 EN2001b B MEO069 1 619.016 624.612 619.07 624.612 and that's usually dialogue what what's difference i between provenance dialogue act and between segmenter ? I don't 624.19 EN2001b A FEO066 0 624.12 631.487 624.23 631.45 Yeah , it looks uh uh the segment thing looks in the into the words X_M_L_ file and the dialogue acts 624.43 EN2001b A FEO066 0 632.448 636.675 632.47 636.675 um thing . Yeah , I think it's in a different 633.44 634.31 EN2001b B MEO069 1 634.992 640.608 635.01 640.53 A dialogue act uh a dialogue act annotations of dialogue act . So is that just another representation of text ? 638.47 640.53 EN2001b A FEO066 0 638.464 638.865 638.49 638.865 Um - EN2001b A FEO066 0 641.296 654.051 641.33 653.92 No , their their annotation of dialogue acts , and one um segment can have or one um of those word strings that are presented in one line can have several um dialogue acts annotated on it . 641.52 643.33 653.92 EN2001b A FEO066 0 655.384 656.191 655.44 656.191 That's why - EN2001b B MEO069 1 658.652 661.563 658.67 661.52 Just see , can we have this files somewhere . So the stuff that's 659.15 660.53 EN2001b B MEO069 1 663.232 666.512 663.3 666.42 that's called segment here that do we know which file this is pulling from ? 666.42 EN2001b B MEO069 1 667.536 670.88 667.56 670.82 From yeah , it's it's c it from words X_M_L_ , is that it's saying here ? 667.84 669.68 670.82 EN2001b A FEO066 0 668.086 669.191 668.17 669.1 Yeah , it's from words . 668.38 669.1 EN2001b A FEO066 0 671.472 671.856 671.49 671.82 Yes . 671.82 EN2001b B MEO069 1 672.976 678.907 673.17 678.907 Let me see if I have that words X_M_L_ file . So let's for example look at 676.2 EN2001b A FEO066 0 677.631 679.168 677.81 679.13 That's just below . 679.13 EN2001b C FEO065 2 680.48 687.856 680.63 687.81 So we n would need a value label for each of those segments that are not dialogue acts . 687.81 EN2001b C FEO065 2 690.144 693.344 690.16 693.3 For all those that point to the actual words . 693.3 EN2001b B MEO069 1 694.444 697.845 694.49 697.58 Okay , let me just try to get them all to a different screen . 694.71 697.58 EN2001b B MEO069 1 701.072 703.049 701.14 703.049 Uh uh is that what we were - EN2001b B MEO069 1 711.42 716.725 711.47 716.56 Sorry , I'm just I'm trying to arrange them , so that we have one above the other , so to make some sense of that . 711.71 713.08 715.17 716.56 EN2001b B MEO069 1 728.143 730.448 728.25 730.448 So no . Here we had 729.02 EN2001b A FEO066 0 730.368 738.096 730.39 737.95 But I think these segments are perhaps not exactly what we are looking at , because that's just o one tying all the others together . 734.04 737.95 EN2001b A FEO066 0 739.434 745.545 739.49 745.45 And the information or r I mean we are going to create a file that looks more like um the words file . 745.45 EN2001b A FEO066 0 746.528 747.136 746.55 747.06 I think . 747.06 EN2001b B MEO069 1 748.401 756.0 748.52 756.0 Um I'm just trying to understand what this segments file is about . Like it's it's referencing here it's referencing to 752.41 EN2001b B MEO069 1 758.704 762.752 758.86 762.63 To a certain position in the in the words file . 762.63 EN2001b D MEE068 3 763.6 764.832 763.62 764.78 Yeah , think so . 764.11 764.78 EN2001b B MEO069 1 768.4 773.033 768.42 772.88 So it's that non-vocal sound one here . That's the mic noise , okay . 771.23 772.36 772.88 EN2001b B MEO069 1 774.944 783.024 774.96 782.9 But what's the does it always just oh no , it's it's referencing to several word structures . So this would be basically be a a sequence , right ? 776.74 779.53 782.64 782.9 EN2001b A FEO066 0 783.424 783.933 783.53 783.86 Yes . 783.86 EN2001b B MEO069 1 784.256 787.264 784.28 787.21 So that's from W_ fifty two . 787.21 EN2001b B MEO069 1 790.052 798.319 790.2 798.21 Are they not ordered or oh yeah , from W_ fifty two down to W_ what are we talking about ? And yeah , w sorry . 792.2 796.6 797.32 798.21 EN2001b A FEO066 0 791.963 792.886 792.08 792.79 Yeah , they are . 792.43 792.79 EN2001b A FEO066 0 798.944 803.696 798.96 803.66 Um to discourse marker , DIS F_ marker fi point five . 801.71 803.66 EN2001b A FEO066 0 805.36 809.776 805.38 809.65 Yeah , that's there no no , up up . Go up . Yeah , right . 805.69 807.21 808.1 809.26 809.41 809.65 EN2001b C FEO065 2 805.583 807.888 805.72 807.72 Yeah , that's there . No , above . 805.98 806.82 807.33 807.72 EN2001b C FEO065 2 809.192 809.625 809.27 809.54 Yeah . 809.54 EN2001b B MEO069 1 811.236 816.16 812.15 816.1 Okay . So this so this is somebody saying it it doesn't . 812.68 816.1 EN2001b B MEO069 1 817.152 822.224 817.17 822.15 Do we have any confirmation do we actually see from this file who's doing it , just out of interest ? 821.25 822.15 EN2001b C FEO065 2 817.357 817.953 817.47 817.82 Yeah . 817.82 EN2001b A FEO066 0 822.897 824.568 822.92 824.53 Yeah , this is all the speaker D_ . 823.12 824.53 EN2001b A FEO066 0 826.11 827.466 826.15 827.36 You and the speaker D_ . 827.36 EN2001b B MEO069 1 826.44 841.232 826.51 841.18 Oh . Sorry , in speaker D_'s file . So this is where he'd like time stops . And then it only starts at a later time , because oh , you don't see when I'm pointing at screen , it's just for this . So then it starts here this time against speaker D_ because in-between there's somebody else . 827.37 827.73 829.11 833.14 835.35 835.85 837.06 837.85 841.18 EN2001b A FEO066 0 842.141 859.026 842.19 858.87 Yes . Um you can see whether there's somebody else or not . You can see that in the w um W_ point um first it's W_ point um five uh fifty four and then it's seventy six , so there are um this number of utterances of other speakers in-between . 842.62 844.99 854.9 858.87 EN2001b B MEO069 1 842.616 843.207 842.64 843.12 Okay . 843.12 EN2001b B MEO069 1 855.784 857.788 855.85 857.74 Yeah . Okay . 857.2 857.74 EN2001b B MEO069 1 858.893 871.744 858.91 871.744 Okay . So the the file with annotations for information density , what would that be like ? Would that be like the segments file , giving a start word and end word , or or would that 859.6 864.88 865.76 867.73 869.94 EN2001b B MEO069 1 872.8 875.68 872.82 875.64 How would that be to best tie in with the system ? 875.64 EN2001b A FEO066 0 876.592 879.184 876.61 879.15 Yeah , I think we would also need two of those . 876.81 879.15 EN2001b B MEO069 1 880.267 880.974 880.36 880.7 Sorry ? 880.7 EN2001b A FEO066 0 881.104 893.129 881.12 892.96 Yeah , I think we would have to have the same structure , one that points to it , where we tie together , all our information . So we would perhaps have to make one that's similar . 881.35 884.26 885.34 886.57 888.24 892.96 EN2001b B MEO069 1 890.608 897.456 890.65 897.24 Something like something like this or like where you give sort of a reference to a beginning and an end position . 897.24 EN2001b A FEO066 0 897.427 903.591 897.45 903.54 Yes , and uh then another one that would perhaps give the actual probability value . 897.88 903.54 EN2001b B MEO069 1 904.56 909.134 904.6 909.134 Well that would be in the same file , wouldn't it ? It would just couldn't we have a like uh 905.9 906.17 EN2001b A FEO066 0 907.376 910.892 907.4 910.7 Yeah , it could could probably be in the same file , I don't know . 907.67 910.36 910.7 EN2001b B MEO069 1 911.003 914.272 911.05 914.272 I guess we could introduce a different um - EN2001b A FEO066 0 913.4 916.044 913.43 915.99 But if you have several layers , then 915.54 EN2001b A FEO066 0 917.264 919.168 917.31 919.11 you can't represent them on the same file . 919.11 EN2001b B MEO069 1 921.104 924.192 921.41 924.08 We have for now if we just do something which for every - EN2001b B MEO069 1 925.44 937.088 925.49 937.04 segment in here attaches actually can we not tie it to the segments file ? Would that not be the way how they would want it to have to do as if we in the end , if we want to attach to each of those segments one number for now . 929.52 932.8 937.04 EN2001b B MEO069 1 938.128 945.312 938.128 945.24 And those segments have uh do they have an I_D_ ? Yeah , I guess they do . So this is the I_D_ of a specific segment , right ? 941.41 941.54 943.03 944.99 945.24 EN2001b A FEO066 0 944.663 947.898 944.71 947.8 Yeah , in segment point one . Um there line below . 945.29 946.63 947.8 EN2001b B MEO069 1 949.008 961.076 949.03 960.99 Yeah , so wouldn't it I mean the problem is they've me haven't looked at the exact inner workings of their of their engineered . But you'd think that the easiest way and the way that how it's intended to be would be just , 949.26 956.18 960.99 EN2001b B MEO069 1 962.192 973.504 962.21 973.46 if we have here a link to the segment , a like an I_D_ for that segment , that we just create another file which links to the segment and then has an additional value which is the number . 964.59 965.93 973.46 EN2001b C FEO065 2 975.524 978.603 975.64 978.56 So you mean an a an attribute . Yeah . 978.18 978.56 EN2001b B MEO069 1 977.728 978.592 977.75 978.5 Yeah , yeah . 978.22 978.5 EN2001b A FEO066 0 978.768 982.062 978.79 982.062 Yeah , that's what I meant actually , yeah . 979.05 980.24 981.65 EN2001b B MEO069 1 980.8 983.568 980.82 983.39 Yeah , oh sorry , I I thought we were talking about having two files . 981.11 981.49 983.39 EN2001b B MEO069 1 985.504 1006.936 985.52 1006.83 I was think yeah , I I think that I I understood wrong . I thought you were wanting to have two different X_M_L_ files , with one the reference and one just th just the number . And I was thinking that's probably what you meant , just um having like for each sort of of our segments having just the I_D_ , which is referencing to these segments here and another attribute which is the the value . 986.73 987.9 990.68 993.17 995.47 1002.25 1006.83 EN2001b A FEO066 0 1007.12 1007.537 1007.16 1007.38 Mm-hmm . 1007.38 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1008.682 1024.434 1008.74 1024.3 So this whole information we would then store in this Ah , no , that I don't have access to because I didn't download like there's this one meta information file where it describes the structure of all the files and describes which um which attributes they bring in . So we would add that to that file ? 1012.21 1012.62 1022.68 1024.3 EN2001b D MEE068 3 1026.415 1026.881 1026.54 1026.72 Mm . 1026.72 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1026.88 1041.353 1026.9 1041.22 Saying that sort of we bring in information density . And then we would create the file of that type , which we probably couldn't call it segment . I'm not sure . We probably might have to have a different word for it . I'm not sure if it there's any trouble with it repeating . 1030.23 1032.57 1036.15 1036.48 1038.12 1041.22 EN2001b A FEO066 0 1042.495 1043.318 1042.62 1043.318 Um - EN2001b C FEO065 2 1042.663 1048.768 1043.08 1048.6 Wouldn't it be easiest to just incorporate a new attribute in in this file ? 1048.6 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1048.896 1050.49 1049.0 1050.32 In the existing segments file . 1050.32 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1049.846 1055.76 1049.93 1055.69 Yeah , I don't know , that's probably not very uh nice but would quite easy , wouldn't it ? 1050.1 1050.57 1055.15 1055.69 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1056.432 1058.56 1056.45 1058.56 Yeah , I reckon actually if we make a copy of it 1056.63 EN2001b A FEO066 0 1058.72 1079.187 1058.74 1079.07 But I I mean there's not all the information that is in in the c corpus in there in the segments file . I think that is just the um things that are loaded every time , but we have lazy loading , so it can load more than that . Perhaps we could just try to cope . Um , you know , to 1065.46 1070.36 1071.65 1075.02 1078.01 1078.56 1078.79 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1058.73 1059.279 1058.82 1059.15 Yeah . 1059.15 EN2001b A FEO066 0 1080.068 1086.08 1080.13 1086.04 make our file one of those lazy loaded . But I mean I've no real idea how that works . 1083.13 1086.04 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1086.399 1092.72 1086.7 1092.68 What uh what are you saying about the w I th doesn't the lazy loading apply to everything ? I mean that it sort of dynamically loads . 1091.03 1092.68 EN2001b A FEO066 0 1092.16 1106.213 1092.18 1106.16 Yeah , but yes , but it has um , you know , a basic thing that it loads , I think . So for example every time it loads the segment things , it can't it can't not display words , I think . 1092.38 1093.62 1094.89 1095.24 1097.51 1098.8 1102.62 1105.76 1106.16 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1108.144 1111.6 1108.17 1111.54 You think it i it l it loads the whole of the segments file every time . 1111.54 EN2001b A FEO066 0 1108.177 1109.424 1108.3 1109.3 And it eras - EN2001b A FEO066 0 1112.4 1112.964 1112.42 1112.91 I think so . 1112.91 EN2001b A FEO066 0 1114.384 1115.504 1114.41 1115.41 That's how I understood it . 1115.41 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1114.272 1114.656 1114.44 1114.62 Okay . 1114.62 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1116.312 1118.483 1116.35 1118.483 The segment at the moment is split up over - EN2001b A FEO066 0 1117.744 1125.296 1117.76 1125.2 Because otherwise in the in the other things there is no information about what the participant name is and so on . So 1124.63 EN2001b A FEO066 0 1126.432 1132.848 1126.45 1132.78 in the segments file it's really the very basic that have to be displayed for any thing . 1132.78 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1133.44 1134.48 1133.72 1134.09 Hmm . 1134.09 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1134.283 1141.12 1134.55 1141.03 But they display the segments in or that the utterances i in their um - EN2001b C FEO065 2 1142.16 1145.856 1142.18 1145.76 user interface as well , where the words are y um displayed . 1143.66 1145.76 EN2001b A FEO066 0 1147.392 1148.067 1147.392 1148.067 ? 1148.067 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1147.535 1161.129 1147.59 1161.129 So so they have they have their utterances displayed in their interface . So that's they um access probably this file and then they display the words . So why shouldn't we be able to do that ? Uh 1153.77 1158.88 1160.92 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1161.434 1185.474 1161.54 1185.27 No but I think it's too early to really like discuss that in detail , because we don't at all understand at the moment how the internal data structure like how the loading works . So maybe if we g if we go ahead , do you think it would be possible for you to do an like something like segments or maybe just a copy of segment which has an attribute for for each segment , um but it is like with a with a value with a density value . 1165.02 1170.16 1172.88 1180.83 1185.27 EN2001b A FEO066 0 1187.504 1196.551 1187.52 1196.45 Yeah , I thin I mean it wouldn't be difficult to um create a file of the p sh of that shape . I mean that would be no problem . 1187.96 1194.24 1196.45 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1195.675 1209.936 1196.21 1209.86 Would it be easier though , because all your methods are sort of not working with their whole time frame structure there . So would it be easy for you to to tie the things together . Like if you're doing it on on the word basis here with those words , that in the end you then tie it back in into the right segment here . I mean 1196.88 1200.56 1203.26 1205.78 1209.54 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1210.805 1212.204 1210.83 1212.204 you probably have to do a bit of - EN2001b A FEO066 0 1211.047 1233.388 1211.14 1233.28 Um yeah , I I don't know how about you with your words , but um for my segments were the um F_ zero measurements and all those values I get from there . Um I always store the beg uh start and end time of everything I calculated there , so I would just have to pu put it uh yes . 1211.96 1215.42 1222.89 1229.02 1233.28 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1220.877 1221.44 1220.94 1221.39 Hmm . 1221.39 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1230.976 1238.586 1231.0 1238.48 You're doing it time-based at the moment . So this isn't directly having time references , but you can get the oh , it is actually here . 1233.56 1236.36 1237.27 1238.48 EN2001b A FEO066 0 1237.896 1238.704 1237.93 1238.65 Yeah , it is . 1238.16 1238.65 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1240.688 1248.756 1240.76 1248.67 Okay . So if you slice it up by time , you'd probably be able to just like attach like just some attribute of 1241.68 1243.18 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1251.024 1254.976 1251.04 1254.94 info val just f to each of those segments . 1254.94 EN2001b A FEO066 0 1257.088 1269.032 1257.68 1268.95 Uh actu but actually my segments are not always the same as their segments , because and their segments , there are um Pause um pauses sometimes . A 1263.82 1265.41 1268.92 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1267.734 1268.316 1267.83 1268.22 Mm-hmm . 1268.22 EN2001b D MEE068 3 1268.512 1270.368 1268.56 1270.31 Yeah , can you not just leaves those lines blank ? 1268.7 1270.31 EN2001b A FEO066 0 1271.28 1277.744 1271.3 1277.7 Um yes , but uh yeah , I mean one segment of theirs is sometimes two segments of mine , that's just what I meant . 1272.02 1273.01 1276.55 1277.7 EN2001b D MEE068 3 1276.864 1278.448 1276.92 1278.39 Oh alright . Okay . 1278.07 1278.39 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1281.144 1295.49 1281.27 1295.44 'Kay . Um I don't understand enough of what their data structure is . This probably would be a lot easier would I really understand how they are handling the data internally , 'cause then we c then I could say oh , it's easy to just tie it in if you just have it time-stamped that just reference by words and stuff . 1282.27 1286.71 1290.32 1291.63 1295.44 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1296.504 1298.464 1296.57 1298.464 But t at the moment - EN2001b B MEO069 1 1307.696 1310.4 1307.79 1310.33 So you would you're doing i you're doing a word by word base . 1310.33 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1310.353 1325.273 1310.37 1325.19 Yeah , the problem is probably that um I extract all the words and then uh I don't um use an I_D_ or something for it , so it would be difficult to write it back to the right position . 1310.64 1320.65 1325.19 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1314.864 1315.589 1315.0 1315.35 Mm-hmm . 1315.35 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1320.936 1321.502 1321.07 1321.45 Okay . 1321.45 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1324.72 1331.312 1324.85 1331.312 But every word does does the word picking , like does it always have the same information value in your thing i does it depend on its position like 1327.03 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1330.765 1333.9 1330.84 1333.76 It depends on the position , I think . Yeah . 1332.33 1333.36 1333.76 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1332.56 1334.464 1332.58 1334.43 It be d depends on the position . 1334.43 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1336.69 1337.872 1336.8 1337.72 Hmm . 1337.72 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1339.792 1343.984 1340.08 1343.984 And you're doing this via some software that's like external software , so you can't 1343.18 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1343.991 1348.571 1344.07 1348.571 Yeah , I I could use another a different approach , though . It 1344.41 1347.66 1348.06 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1347.6 1362.592 1347.62 1362.55 So what if you if you if you get the results from that software and you go back over it then with that file sort of , you write an algorithm which which then goes back because they they're in the right order still and stuff , right ? So that shouldn't be a problem . Oh but this is by speaker here which makes it slightly more difficult . 1352.35 1357.37 1357.49 1359.45 1362.55 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1357.814 1358.67 1357.91 1358.47 Mm yeah . 1358.47 EN2001b D MEE068 3 1362.738 1363.295 1362.82 1363.19 Hmm . 1363.19 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1365.344 1371.141 1366.89 1371.07 The problem is that actually NITE X_M_L_ probably provides a lot of the tools that we'd need to do that . 1371.07 EN2001b A FEO066 0 1370.055 1395.955 1370.1 1395.82 Yeah , but for example I made a file that contains just the um start times . It could contain end times and words for all speakers of all meetings . I mean that's just the same thing as I gave , yeah , as I gave to you . But um uh displaying also a start and end times of every word . So you could perhaps use it to match um it with your additional information you got , couldn't you ? 1370.29 1375.72 1379.13 1382.43 1382.7 1384.38 1389.78 1395.47 1395.82 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1371.132 1371.824 1371.22 1371.58 Mm-hmm . 1371.58 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1380.48 1381.968 1380.5 1381.93 In in a temporal sequence . 1381.93 EN2001b D MEE068 3 1395.024 1401.047 1395.04 1400.99 Yeah , what did you use to make that file ? Just in Perl ? You didn't use an X_M_L_ parser ? 1395.17 1397.87 1399.36 1400.99 EN2001b A FEO066 0 1397.244 1399.123 1397.32 1398.99 Perl , a Perl script , yeah . 1398.01 1398.74 1398.99 EN2001b A FEO066 0 1401.28 1401.824 1401.3 1401.71 No , no . 1401.48 1401.71 EN2001b D MEE068 3 1402.128 1402.545 1402.15 1402.48 Okay . 1402.48 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1403.44 1423.088 1403.49 1422.91 Um would you think it would make sense to just take um file files by speaker . It's it doesn't matter what input I give to um to Rainbow . So I just could g use the files as they are . I don't know if that's that would give an output . 1410.98 1416.87 1420.33 1422.91 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1420.596 1436.304 1420.73 1436.08 But but would the information density algorithm still make any sense if you split them up , because I mean the whole I thought the whole thing is that you look at the frequency of a word in that specific how often a word inc occurs in a certain topic versus how often it occurs over the whole corpus and that from that it calculates . 1424.96 1436.08 EN2001b D MEE068 3 1420.742 1421.175 1420.78 1421.1 Hmm . 1421.1 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1424.279 1425.262 1424.3 1425.2 I don't know . 1425.2 EN2001b A FEO066 0 1425.982 1426.504 1426.08 1426.29 Mm yeah . 1426.29 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1436.078 1457.4 1436.21 1457.33 No , it um I think it's not uh versus the whole corpus . It's um you have certain categories , and you measure which words um have the highest information for one category . So it's the categories across each other I think . 1436.39 1440.25 1445.91 1453.84 1457.33 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1445.392 1445.856 1445.42 1445.81 Mm-hmm . 1445.81 EN2001b A FEO066 0 1457.495 1462.95 1457.55 1462.95 But would you then not get the typical words for every speaker ? If you 1462.34 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1462.595 1469.738 1462.65 1469.55 Um probably yeah . But yeah , it's it's s strange . 1466.8 1468.04 1469.55 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1466.859 1469.337 1466.93 1469.27 Yeah , I have a gut feeling it's not a good idea to split it . 1467.12 1469.27 EN2001b A FEO066 0 1467.233 1471.283 1467.27 1471.15 Because it would then say how it find that it's that speaker . 1471.15 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1470.288 1485.264 1470.32 1485.18 Yeah . No , but I mean it can't be that difficult . If you if you already have you have in the right order all the words with a with a score to them , and you have a file which has each word and a time stamp . So those two tied together have each word and its time and 1471.15 1471.21 1472.63 1478.35 1482.15 EN2001b D MEE068 3 1471.182 1471.592 1471.22 1471.45 Hmm . 1471.45 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1476.979 1477.428 1477.03 1477.28 Yeah . 1477.28 EN2001b A FEO066 0 1481.584 1481.968 1481.6 1481.92 Yeah . 1481.92 EN2001b A FEO066 0 1486.864 1490.002 1486.88 1489.9 It's probability , yeah . Or or value , yeah . 1487.82 1488.49 1489.69 1489.9 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1486.995 1490.464 1487.1 1490.41 and and and its proba and its value . Yeah . 1490.14 1490.41 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1490.757 1506.112 1491.13 1505.98 Yeah , but what what the problem is , I don't know exactly . I think the information gain in Rainbow is ordered by the value of the information gain , not I am not sure if I can get the right order and the values . 1491.37 1492.88 1494.47 1501.04 1505.98 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1507.536 1508.581 1507.56 1508.46 That's the problem . 1508.46 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1507.933 1510.336 1507.95 1510.08 So they're they're at the moment so - EN2001b C FEO065 2 1509.51 1523.765 1509.63 1523.67 But I um if the order stays the same , it's no problem at all to i just write back again . But if uh it's ordered by information gain , I don't know where the words come from , because it's it has a bag of words representation . 1512.32 1515.08 1518.14 1520.24 1523.67 EN2001b D MEE068 3 1520.46 1520.909 1520.53 1520.81 Hmm . 1520.81 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1524.319 1527.321 1524.43 1527.29 It appears to me that Rainbow was made for something quite different . 1527.29 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1525.029 1530.226 1526.1 1530.11 Uh yes . Is it is . It was made for text classification . 1527.08 1528.11 1530.11 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1528.64 1529.457 1528.66 1529.27 Hmm . 1529.27 EN2001b A FEO066 0 1530.352 1533.28 1530.37 1533.16 So , could you put the more information back in then ? 1530.85 1533.16 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1534.256 1535.551 1534.28 1535.551 Yeah , that's the problem . 1534.42 1535.42 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1534.989 1548.758 1535.03 1548.59 I actually like um um i are you actually sure that Rainbow is doing a measure , like is returning a measure of what we are trying to measure , 'cause it it seems to me that it's just it sounds like something quite different in in d many aspects . 1539.93 1543.17 1548.59 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1547.454 1556.752 1547.55 1556.66 Yeah , um what it actually does is that you you put in some documents , and you have several documents per category . 1547.99 1553.7 1556.66 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1553.2 1553.77 1553.23 1553.64 Mm-hmm . 1553.64 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1557.824 1587.232 1557.84 1587.1 Um and you have several categories . And then it measures um which words are typical for a certain t category . And if you get a new document , it will um compare which words are in that new document . And if there are a lot of words that um are typical for one category , it will assign it to that category , and if it's typical for another one , it will assign it to that one . 1560.07 1567.31 1569.39 1576.03 1580.82 1583.55 1585.58 1587.1 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1559.872 1560.283 1559.89 1560.15 And w - EN2001b B MEO069 1 1567.008 1567.525 1567.04 1567.43 Yeah . 1567.43 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1575.168 1575.632 1575.19 1575.55 Yeah . 1575.55 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1588.213 1590.992 1588.28 1590.93 But where do you have the original category information from ? 1590.93 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1591.285 1611.506 1591.35 1611.35 Yeah , it's because you have um y um you have um oth different files . If if this is your directory , you have um um a diagra um , a directory one , two and three . And this represents the category . Everything that's in there is in category one . A 1591.49 1597.44 1599.74 1604.07 1605.1 1606.33 1608.79 1611.27 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1599.296 1599.797 1599.32 1599.64 Yeah . 1599.64 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1606.256 1606.76 1606.3 1606.62 Yeah . 1606.62 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1610.214 1613.2 1610.23 1613.14 So where do you where do you have them from at the moment the split up ? 1613.14 EN2001b A FEO066 0 1613.696 1617.264 1613.72 1617.22 Yeah , but the topic isn't it ? That's a topic information . 1613.83 1615.95 1617.22 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1613.744 1616.192 1613.76 1616.16 Yeah , just split it up somehow , yeah . 1613.94 1615.87 1616.16 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1616.272 1623.424 1616.29 1623.38 In i in the t in the topics , in the in the human topic s um so you've split them up by topic at the moment . 1618.17 1623.38 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1617.562 1618.086 1617.66 1617.97 Yeah . 1617.97 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1622.955 1632.762 1623.36 1632.67 No , I've just um split them up uh somehow um by um there are several documents for 1623.61 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1634.768 1647.874 1634.79 1647.73 um each meeting , and I just put one in each category . So uh it's it's not very sensible at the moment , because I'm waiting for the um topic segments or I'm just yeah . 1637.86 1641.32 1643.87 1647.73 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1637.648 1638.259 1637.77 1638.259 Yeah , but 1637.96 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1646.96 1670.503 1646.98 1670.503 Okay okay okay . 'Cause I was just thinking that doesn't make sense at all , but yeah , if you if that's just while you're waiting . Okay . Have you ever like looked into different ways of calculating , 'cause I was just thinking like I mean the for example the the infor um what's it called , the entropy calculation , is that she boxed it under the simple calculation that you could probably write the script in no time at all and 1648.97 1650.56 1650.93 1653.35 1655.1 1657.78 1662.88 1664.72 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1667.68 1682.054 1667.81 1681.7 Yeah , yeah , probably . Yeah , maybe it's it's better if I write it myself , because otherwise it's too easy to just split things up into bins , and it it wouldn't be any work at all in terms of programming or something . 1668.43 1668.64 1669.58 1669.82 1672.05 1677.31 1681.7 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1681.648 1735.022 1681.67 1734.94 Yeah , but I'm also just like I think that probably the entropy value at the moment for a word is closer to what we're at the moment looking for . I can just like k k I can sit together with you for twenty minutes and just show you the entropy code that I wrote for my other project and it probably and we should work together because it's we used t we have to we'd use the same matrix as I'm using in my latent semantic analysis , you'd use to calculate entropy scores . And then we'd have um a score which actually which would be the same for the word in each position . So in that sense it's doing something a bit different , and like w basically the score that I'm talking about is a conditional entropy score which just checks how much information , the fact that there's one word tells you about what would be the next word . But that's a relatively good measure of whether that's a very specific word , in which case they are usually words which tell you quite a lot or a very general word which usually doesn't tell you quite a lot . 1681.82 1689.01 1703.55 1705.96 1713.52 1715.54 1723.47 1727.06 1730.03 1734.94 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1695.915 1696.414 1695.97 1696.3 Alright . 1696.3 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1703.552 1704.105 1703.58 1704.04 Mm-hmm . 1704.04 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1714.544 1715.185 1714.64 1715.15 Mm-hmm . 1715.15 EN2001b A FEO066 0 1726.928 1727.387 1726.96 1727.23 Mm-hmm . 1727.23 EN2001b A FEO066 0 1731.496 1732.009 1731.67 1731.85 Yeah . 1731.85 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1734.96 1736.76 1735.06 1736.72 How does it calculate that actually ? 1736.72 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1737.213 1742.26 1737.32 1742.26 Um it it's basically the it's the standard entropy formula . And you sort of you you 1741.22 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1740.928 1741.583 1740.99 1741.42 Okay . 1741.42 EN2001b A FEO066 0 1742.064 1749.092 1742.08 1748.97 So how sure or unsure you are about the what's following our b our context measures , yeah . 1748.73 1748.97 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1747.772 1771.344 1747.86 1771.29 Yes , yes , it has . I mean , I think the official le sort of the official description of what it tells you is um how much that like the fact that a given word occurs tells you about what's the next word's gonna be . Which doesn't sound too exciting , but it it just works out in the way that words which are promiscuous and which occur with everything all over the place have very low a scores on that , and also usually end up being the words which are p 1748.5 1748.75 1748.96 1749.24 1759.22 1760.35 1768.46 EN2001b A FEO066 0 1758.816 1759.159 1758.84 1759.04 Yeah . 1759.04 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1772.496 1775.888 1772.52 1775.79 Least like expressive , and l contain less information . 1774.21 1775.79 EN2001b D MEE068 3 1776.463 1777.993 1776.54 1777.92 Well like function words and stuff . 1777.92 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1777.888 1786.935 1777.92 1786.89 Yeah , function words or just very general nouns . Pr probably like what whatev for example the word computer in that context . You could imagine it to f like be in all in all the contexts . 1778.2 1780.75 1784.02 1786.89 EN2001b D MEE068 3 1783.994 1784.401 1784.07 1784.27 Mm . 1784.27 EN2001b A FEO066 0 1786.624 1809.412 1786.64 1809.2 But do we have enough informa enough data for that it gives us sensible things ? Because I mean the the words we're look really looking for appear not too often , and if they appear five times in the meeting and they have each time a different , you know , differ some different surrounded words , perhaps we have not enough data . 1793.2 1798.94 1805.14 1805.59 1807.33 1809.2 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1806.155 1820.416 1806.25 1820.29 Yeah , so we would we w wouldn't do it by word , we would sorry , okay , um I was I was getting that w actually , sorry , I was getting that wrong , I was getting it from what I did my project . Now in this case , we would do it by per mee words per meeting . 1806.43 1808.46 1810.04 1810.31 1812.69 1813.26 1814.15 1815.68 1816.76 1820.29 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1821.92 1822.736 1821.94 1822.736 So - EN2001b C FEO065 2 1823.12 1837.147 1823.36 1837.09 Yeah , but that's the sa uh almost I think similar to what I'm doing , because words that are in every class , that are not very informative , but words that are only in one class are are very informative for that class . 1823.49 1827.7 1830.46 1833.54 1837.09 EN2001b A FEO066 0 1823.437 1824.726 1823.53 1824.726 I don't understand what you - EN2001b B MEO069 1 1831.2 1831.644 1831.22 1831.49 Hmm . 1831.49 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1837.408 1848.64 1837.7 1848.54 Yes , it it's probably doing it's probably doing quite the same thing in the end , but I'm just saying like with that thing you would easily have an algorithm which at the moment provides you for each word with a score which we can use . 1837.91 1840.88 1848.54 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1846.141 1846.848 1846.26 1846.78 Oh okay . 1846.78 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1848.736 1849.136 1848.76 1849.1 Alright . 1849.1 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1850.512 1862.784 1850.57 1862.75 Um no um , I was I was I was describing the wrong thing . In this case we wouldn't be doing how much it tells you about another word . In this case we would be doing given that you know a word , how good is it at predicting from which um specific topic that was . 1851.97 1853.89 1856.19 1858.98 1862.75 EN2001b A FEO066 0 1862.855 1863.495 1862.93 1863.43 Yeah , okay . 1863.16 1863.43 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1864.56 1867.296 1864.74 1867.23 So that would yeah , in that sense it's the same thing here . 1865.61 1867.23 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1865.611 1867.265 1865.66 1867.23 Yeah , that's th yeah . 1865.9 1867.23 EN2001b A FEO066 0 1867.232 1867.689 1867.33 1867.58 Mm-hmm . 1867.58 EN2001b A FEO066 0 1868.752 1882.39 1868.81 1882.39 But that would give the same value for one word every time I mean for for a specific word . Yeah , because then it would be quite easy to re-integrate it into such a 1876.11 1876.58 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1874.912 1877.122 1874.93 1877.122 Yeah , yeah , for a specific 1875.67 1876.39 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1881.088 1883.289 1881.11 1883.12 For a specific word per - EN2001b B MEO069 1 1881.177 1881.667 1881.27 1881.61 Yeah . 1881.61 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1884.256 1890.721 1884.34 1890.62 The same word the word yesterday would be would have the same score all over the place . 1890.62 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1884.447 1885.312 1884.64 1885.312 per - EN2001b C FEO065 2 1890.261 1902.513 1890.33 1902.48 All over the place . And in my case it would have I think it would have different uh values for each category . But in that category it would have the same value at each place . 1891.06 1898.62 1902.48 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1898.56 1899.21 1898.6 1899.18 Okay . 1899.18 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1904.144 1905.936 1904.16 1905.936 Do you know what I mean ? 1905.83 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1904.133 1904.461 1904.23 1904.36 I c - EN2001b A FEO066 0 1905.92 1915.225 1906.28 1915.225 Okay , but then it would also be possible to re-integrate it . It would be more dif I mean it would be a bit more work , but then 1906.57 1909.77 1914.16 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1914.24 1921.824 1914.26 1921.78 But but your category thing depends on that we not just have topic segments , but also that these topic segments we have them in categories . 1919.11 1921.78 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1914.79 1915.248 1914.86 1915.19 Yeah . 1915.19 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1923.456 1929.072 1923.48 1929.04 You you do wouldn't you need several documents for each category ? Or several segments for each category . 1927.29 1929.04 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1927.588 1933.741 1927.72 1933.57 Um that would be best , but I I would have to look if that . 1931.43 1933.57 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1932.4 1935.054 1932.42 1934.92 Do but will it word without that at all ? 1934.92 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1935.184 1945.978 1935.21 1945.86 Um at least it works if there are several categories with each with one document each , but it um yeah . 1942.11 1945.86 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1936.235 1936.652 1936.27 1936.652 'Cause - EN2001b B MEO069 1 1944.992 1947.745 1945.02 1947.65 Yeah , I mean s so in our case basically every 1945.15 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1948.976 1951.36 1949.0 1951.17 every s topic would be its own category . 1951.17 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1952.48 1976.432 1952.5 1976.39 And the question is does the algorithm still make any sense in that I don't understand the algorithm enough for that . But what I'm really like because the entropical um calculation is so simple , maybe we should look into making that score just as a preliminary score that we have . Like it it's a very it gives you like I've looked at the result , it gives you basically something in the end which vaguely tells you just whether a word is a very specific word 1957.32 1963.1 1968.85 1971.29 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1952.705 1956.305 1952.95 1956.01 Yeah , that's the questio yeah , I don't know . 1953.32 1954.64 1956.01 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1962.432 1962.864 1962.47 1962.81 Mm-hmm . 1962.81 EN2001b C FEO065 2 1968.24 1968.865 1968.38 1968.78 Mm okay . 1968.78 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1977.44 1978.8 1977.46 1978.75 or a very general word . 1978.75 EN2001b A FEO066 0 1978.655 1979.196 1978.72 1979.13 Yes . 1979.13 EN2001b B MEO069 1 1979.952 1980.528 1979.97 1980.44 And - EN2001b B MEO069 1 1981.648 1992.281 1981.67 1992.16 I like there is some hope that probably having just sentences where there's lots of very specific words , if you mark them as being more interesting than the words which are only very general words , that they would get us somewhere . 1986.61 1990.91 1992.16 EN2001b A FEO066 0 1993.742 2001.891 1993.87 2001.76 Um and what well , what score would a word get that just occurs once in all the corpus for example ? 1996.64 2001.76 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2001.744 2004.512 2001.76 2004.42 Probably one point zero is very high information value . 2004.42 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2005.968 2010.529 2005.99 2010.46 Even though there are all the other same topics where it doesn't occur ? 2010.46 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2011.168 2012.768 2011.24 2012.768 Yeah , 'cause this would 2012.15 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2014.432 2019.76 2014.45 2019.72 Yeah , in in a sense I mean this is a bit like the what like document frequency over total frequency . 2014.64 2019.72 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2020.368 2020.927 2020.48 2020.75 Mm-hmm . 2020.75 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2020.768 2022.576 2020.79 2022.576 Measure it sort of just going by - EN2001b D MEE068 3 2022.802 2023.212 2022.85 2023.01 Hmm . 2023.01 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2025.164 2029.872 2025.29 2029.79 So would it be higher-scored than a word that um occurs - EN2001b A FEO066 0 2030.992 2031.5 2031.01 2031.33 in - EN2001b A FEO066 0 2032.352 2036.128 2032.37 2036.09 every um sequence of the same topic ? 2036.09 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2039.263 2041.018 2039.3 2041.018 What do you mean every sequence of the same - EN2001b A FEO066 0 2040.695 2053.461 2040.74 2053.461 Yeah , I mean um we have uh s uh our several topics . For example we have twenty topics , and um for one of these topics there are five occurrences , and we have one word that 2040.99 2044.71 2047.48 2051.88 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2047.024 2047.558 2047.09 2047.36 Mm-hmm . 2047.36 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2052.337 2061.381 2052.36 2061.16 Within th within the topic , so like topic we had to when you say topic , you mean like just like from from a beginning to end point , like within one meeting there are several topics ? 2053.53 2055.56 2058.98 2061.16 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2062.208 2067.568 2062.26 2067.44 Yes , but across meetings um there will be the same topic several times . 2062.56 2067.44 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2068.384 2070.768 2068.49 2070.69 But we don't have that information anywhere , do we ? 2070.4 2070.69 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2071.436 2075.627 2071.48 2075.48 Ah . It wasn okay . I thought that was what you were doing . 2072.04 2073.57 2075.48 EN2001b D MEE068 3 2075.712 2084.96 2075.88 2084.93 Well , um when it splits the topics up , it does do it on regular words that um that occur . But it doesn't tell you what they are , no . 2076.47 2078.26 2083.51 2084.71 2084.93 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2082.608 2083.433 2082.69 2083.433 Yeah , but 2082.91 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2084.88 2086.904 2085.0 2086.75 But but you you are segmenting . 2086.75 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2085.247 2090.344 2085.32 2090.344 Yeah , but you make also um segment similarity , I think that was I I thought that would 2085.47 2087.95 EN2001b D MEE068 3 2087.182 2087.706 2087.29 2087.59 Hmm . 2087.59 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2089.281 2098.557 2089.37 2098.557 Well , I'm I'm doing one on segment similarity in the end , yeah . I'm doing like finding similar segments , basic latent semantic analysis . But 2089.57 2091.9 2092.11 2094.5 2097.62 EN2001b D MEE068 3 2091.209 2091.608 2091.25 2091.54 Yeah . 2091.54 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2100.112 2106.195 2100.13 2106.06 But like f for now , like your segmentation is just splitting a meeting up into different blocks ver 2101.35 EN2001b D MEE068 3 2103.494 2103.985 2103.57 2103.9 Yeah . 2103.9 EN2001b D MEE068 3 2105.312 2107.119 2105.33 2106.93 Yeah , you can't really get any other output . 2105.45 2106.93 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2105.594 2109.76 2105.594 2109.76 And they they are not related then to other blocks of - EN2001b B MEO069 1 2110.047 2121.679 2110.13 2121.58 Not not from what Colin is doing from what I no . It's only like I'm writing an algorithm that which then tries to also again based on word p occurrence patterns try to link together maybe different ones of those . 2113.52 2121.58 EN2001b D MEE068 3 2110.274 2113.716 2110.274 2113.64 No . No . 2113.44 2113.64 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2111.94 2114.135 2112.08 2114.135 Okay . I um 2113.57 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2121.467 2122.249 2121.61 2122.16 Oh , okay . 2121.81 2122.16 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2123.227 2124.592 2123.25 2124.54 I misunderstood that then . 2124.54 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2126.512 2127.312 2126.57 2127.312 So - EN2001b A FEO066 0 2128.096 2131.056 2128.12 2131.02 So yeah , how would it work ? I mean what would 2128.89 2129.83 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2132.544 2136.112 2132.66 2136.08 um the his information then be useful for in r Rainbow ? 2136.08 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2137.184 2150.808 2137.28 2150.65 Um I thought the point about that was that we would put um into s um serial categories all the segments of the same topic across meetings . 2150.65 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2149.697 2151.734 2149.79 2151.66 So that yeah . 2151.66 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2149.573 2169.824 2149.89 2169.68 Oh no , I li I th I thought something else that we d um we just split I need somewhere to split , and that um splitting at category boundaries um splitting at topic boundaries would a nice thing to do , rather than just splitting somewhere . So yeah , yeah . 2150.42 2157.11 2164.32 2167.31 2169.22 2169.68 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2152.351 2152.866 2152.43 2152.8 Okay . 2152.8 EN2001b D MEE068 3 2164.08 2164.48 2164.11 2164.41 Mm-hmm . 2164.41 EN2001b D MEE068 3 2166.814 2170.489 2166.88 2170.41 Yeah , it's supposed to split it into cu coherent topics with the similar information . 2167.01 2170.41 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2168.047 2170.208 2168.12 2170.13 Yeah , but but then it does okay . 2168.35 2170.13 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2171.111 2182.913 2171.21 2182.77 Yeah , I'm also a bit b like I'm not a hundred percent sure about Rainbow being the right thing , 'cause it seems that Rainbow does in its structure quite rely on having different examples of the same category sort of in in a way . 2171.48 2175.02 2182.77 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2182.375 2221.472 2182.67 2221.44 Yeah , but it I think it should work for just one document , because it it compares between the categories , and if you just have one document um it still can find out which words are informative for that category and which are not . So if you have just one document in each category , and there are a lot of um occurrences of the word the in each one , so this word will be not very informative across the categories . So it should work for one , but I'm not sure if how exactly it it um calculates everything . Uh I think it's not possible to look that up . 2183.22 2186.46 2189.38 2199.72 2203.48 2208.44 2212.98 2214.55 2219.13 2221.44 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2200.155 2200.604 2200.2 2200.5 'Kay . 2200.5 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2211.936 2212.384 2211.96 2212.3 Mm-hmm . 2212.3 EN2001b D MEE068 3 2212.295 2212.76 2212.39 2212.64 Hmm . 2212.64 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2221.696 2268.832 2222.02 2268.8 You know what , as a byproduct of my L_S_A_ I'll provide um a vocabulary like sort of a dictionary which for each word gives an entropy score entropy score , which just tells you of how much information the presence of a word tells you about which topic it is . Not which category , like I'm not I'm not lumping together separate topic segments into categories . But just like how much this word tells you about wh how likely that w the occurrence of that word makes it that it's a specific segment topic segment . Which is some measure already of how widespread this word is versus how specific f to a certain segment that is . And I'll just provide that , because that's just not much more work than just the usual thing . And then we can see how we can tie that in with the other stuff . 2222.84 2232.89 2240.33 2241.08 2245.14 2253.82 2261.64 2262.63 2266.46 2268.8 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2240.384 2240.792 2240.47 2240.7 Mm . 2240.7 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2252.183 2252.699 2252.27 2252.55 Mm . 2252.55 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2269.856 2276.752 2270.03 2276.45 So if you um keep on working on Rainbow meanwhile and try to find a way how to tie your Rainbow stuff into - EN2001b A FEO066 0 2270.212 2270.659 2270.25 2270.48 Yep . 2270.48 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2278.768 2282.848 2278.8 2282.8 some way that we can attach it to a certain time segment . 2282.8 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2282.695 2288.176 2282.76 2288.176 Yeah , maybe it's possible to have a list that it's o that is ordered by 2283.05 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2289.744 2291.456 2289.76 2291.42 Yeah , don't know . 2291.03 2291.42 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2291.328 2293.584 2291.47 2293.584 I'm just thinking , wh if 2293.11 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2294.624 2309.913 2294.64 2309.82 It it used is each word completely unique , like sort of does it treat each word , each occurrence of word , as a completely unique event . Or does it , I mean , no , it it has to , I mean , basically the the form of the word is important , right ? We can't just replace the word by an arbitrary string . 2298.52 2300.38 2301.24 2302.39 2302.74 2303.35 2303.51 2304.16 2305.48 2307.46 2307.63 2309.82 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2308.118 2308.6 2308.26 2308.51 Mm-hmm . 2308.51 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2311.312 2313.6 2311.33 2313.53 Because it looks if the same word occurs again and stuff . 2313.53 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2314.698 2318.458 2314.86 2318.458 Um I don't know what you mean by that . It's uh 2316.81 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2314.814 2323.936 2314.87 2323.936 Yeah , it it has to work with a m yeah , well I think it's a stupid question , like it it it has to work on on on the word , like on 2315.0 2317.04 2318.19 2323.09 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2325.296 2346.352 2325.43 2346.29 What I was thinking is whether if we replace the word by something uniquely id identifiable , then it wouldn't make a different which order it is . But that wouldn't work because it needs the word , because that's all it's working on . It's the word and that looks if that word occurs again and versus how often that word occurs in other context , right ? So we can't attach some type of information to the word , just to the word string itself , like making an underscore , making the time or something , that wouldn't work . 2329.62 2331.01 2333.06 2334.21 2338.87 2339.53 2342.02 2343.31 2344.71 2345.62 2346.29 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2328.998 2330.67 2329.1 2330.52 Mm-hmm . Oh right . 2329.93 2330.52 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2338.179 2338.836 2338.25 2338.75 Mm . 2338.75 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2342.753 2344.1 2342.82 2344.06 Yeah . Mm yeah . 2343.34 2344.06 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2345.296 2348.592 2345.39 2348.55 Alright . Yeah , you you can use um 2346.27 2346.53 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2350.832 2361.246 2350.86 2361.246 some kind of um truncation maybe if you attach a number to each word and say that it should omit the last part . 2361.1 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2359.456 2367.088 2359.48 2367.05 But would it have that in the untruncated version then , like would it s would the output be the untruncated version ? It will probably um no , I don't think it would . 2362.04 2364.51 2366.22 2367.05 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2364.33 2367.109 2364.42 2366.93 Uh probably not . No , no . 2365.91 2366.46 2366.93 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2378.509 2382.128 2378.57 2382.09 Yeah , maybe I should try something different and just programme it for myself . 2378.69 2382.09 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2384.576 2386.624 2384.69 2386.624 Because um - EN2001b B MEO069 1 2386.8 2388.592 2386.82 2388.592 Yeah , for now , I mean really just like 2387.02 2387.49 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2391.008 2397.664 2391.03 2397.664 Yeah , I think if we work together on an on an entropy based score . It's let me see if I can demonstrate 2391.14 2394.92 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2393.572 2394.195 2393.66 2394.09 Mm . 2394.09 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2398.816 2402.382 2398.84 2402.02 T I mean , let's just keep on talking meanwhile and I'll try to start that up . 2399.29 2402.02 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2404.272 2407.744 2404.29 2407.71 It's it's it's really d it it's a very simple thing , but it it basically just 2406.67 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2408.816 2437.52 2408.95 2437.39 does something which tells you how specific a word is . In a sense it's in a it's it's basically just to to a high degree really telling you how r how rare a word is or how common a word is . But uh as as the first step that's probably for for a prototype for next week that's probably not a bad thing , I mean even if it's just that . Even if you just like if you have segments where where lots of rare words occur , highlighted in darker red than segments where all the very common words occur . That's just that's somewhere to start from . 2412.34 2421.44 2426.67 2427.6 2431.58 2435.6 2437.39 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2419.232 2419.648 2419.29 2419.6 Mm-hmm . 2419.6 EN2001b D MEE068 3 2427.104 2427.945 2427.12 2427.85 Hmm . Yeah . 2427.62 2427.85 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2439.361 2445.93 2439.44 2445.84 And it's it's a bit more sophisticated than that , but then de facto it just ends up doing that mostly , from what I figured out . 2441.46 2444.88 2445.84 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2449.744 2450.531 2449.76 2450.531 Um - EN2001b B MEO069 1 2456.544 2461.069 2456.58 2460.95 Actually I think I'm not gonna not gonna start that now , because that's probably gonna take too long . 2458.88 2460.95 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2463.024 2463.616 2463.04 2463.57 So - EN2001b B MEO069 1 2465.568 2474.624 2465.59 2474.59 if we get it on a word by word basis whatever you do it'll probably appear in a word by word basis , and what you have on a sort of segment but not quite segment base . 2470.41 2474.59 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2470.375 2470.977 2470.47 2470.91 Mm-hmm . 2470.91 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2475.821 2502.352 2475.9 2502.32 Yes . Yeah , I mean I haven't really decided on uh how to really get the information out of this now , because um when I have for example um increased speaker overlap , that applies to several turns of course . But I could give um the information about , yeah , how how important this is to each of those segments . 2477.59 2477.89 2484.43 2489.91 2493.14 2498.0 2498.31 2502.32 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2502.488 2554.544 2502.54 2554.43 'Kay , what about the following model ? I mean this is a very unscientific way of doing it in some sense , but what if we if we take time as the standard unit for now and sort of like make a massive one segment split super-array . Because everything you're doing can in one way or the other be ti tied down to actual time . So if we if we if for if for each one segment time slot we could attach a value , and then it would be easy to then go back when if we have the time marks here , and re-map that onto onto the length of a segment , you know what I mean ? So if you have for each word say and we know that word starts at this segment and ends at that segment , and you have for like for some time period w the overlap and that period on the F_ ones and that period or something . So you also have a value which can be tied down to a time . And then we could just in m in Matlab or in something just create some massive super-array of 2502.73 2504.09 2506.52 2515.22 2520.58 2524.78 2528.39 2531.09 2532.34 2538.4 2545.24 2548.8 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2556.624 2564.192 2556.64 2563.93 of things for each for each like sort of time sampling slot and and calculate a value for this , and once we have this array , 2562.71 2563.93 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2565.2 2580.448 2565.22 2580.4 we can go with the script and sort of go for each segment to the starting and end times and say okay , this is from our time segment f here to this time segment there . So we take the some of those and divide them by by the number or something , create the average and put it in as the value for the segment . You know what I mean ? 2569.52 2573.9 2576.92 2579.66 2580.4 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2581.873 2593.728 2581.92 2593.57 Yeah , but how can we get to know what makes sense as a a function for joining everything together ? Might be difficult to find that out . Yeah . 2582.11 2589.83 2593.16 2593.57 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2589.492 2589.904 2589.57 2589.81 Oh . 2589.81 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2591.117 2600.608 2591.27 2600.608 Tha that's that's a fiddling play in the end , but that problem we'll always have . Because we don't have a useful way of automatically evaluating um 2593.19 2595.01 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2602.372 2619.467 2602.44 2619.33 We don't have a way of usefully evaluating automatically what's good and what's bad , so it's it's probably always gonna be a question of looking at it and saying okay , like running it with different different factor loadings and seeing okay , this way it works this well and this way it works that well . 2606.95 2611.98 2616.4 2619.33 EN2001b D MEE068 3 2608.197 2608.638 2608.28 2608.5 Hmm . 2608.5 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2619.68 2641.441 2619.7 2641.441 Yeah , pros um but you proposed um we we should break that down to have um the smallest um smallest um unity um of time duration should be one word . I mean , that would be because that would be what naturally came out of her thing . And 2619.9 2634.16 2634.6 2640.63 EN2001b D MEE068 3 2634.337 2634.736 2634.38 2634.65 Hmm . 2634.65 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2636.5 2637.049 2636.6 2636.97 Mm-hmm . 2636.97 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2640.048 2646.887 2640.38 2646.3 But it probably be more difficult for mapped t to map for you to map it on so for you sort of i - EN2001b A FEO066 0 2645.384 2652.395 2645.44 2652.18 Yeah sure , but I could then if I if I have um the value for a segment , I would perhaps just give all the 2645.95 2649.16 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2653.888 2657.477 2653.91 2657.31 important wor or mm yeah no . 2657.31 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2657.232 2661.922 2657.25 2661.84 You you could always find out how many words there are in an utterance , couldn't you ? 2661.32 2661.84 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2662.592 2663.059 2662.61 2662.98 Yes . 2662.98 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2663.248 2663.974 2663.27 2663.974 Yeah . So 2663.54 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2663.536 2676.48 2663.56 2676.45 Yeah , but so you say that inst like you basically say w having an array where each each cell is is one like is o is one word . . And then you would map your information onto individual words . 2663.74 2673.18 2673.18 2676.45 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2672.143 2672.694 2672.26 2672.54 Mm-hmm . 2672.54 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2677.984 2681.073 2678.02 2681.01 Yeah , I would say that someone have to break it down , aye ? 2678.69 2680.82 2681.01 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2680.928 2681.28 2680.95 2681.17 Hmm ? 2681.17 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2682.096 2685.306 2682.12 2685.21 I would probably somehow have to break it down to to that level , yeah . 2684.98 2685.21 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2685.622 2688.8 2685.74 2688.8 Would you be able to find out which word that is and - EN2001b A FEO066 0 2690.404 2691.12 2690.46 2691.05 Yes , sure . 2690.74 2691.05 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2693.953 2711.497 2694.04 2711.43 'Kay , and and then we could have like some type of just point in the end where the one scores from the all the individual word cells get multiplied all with like for each utterance or whatever . You have get all multiplied with the same value all the ones that are within that utterance . That's sort of the combination of of the two scores . 2694.3 2705.05 2708.99 2711.43 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2711.845 2714.848 2711.92 2714.81 Yeah , probably somehow it should work that way . 2712.75 2714.81 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2713.477 2714.16 2713.55 2714.12 For example . 2714.12 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2714.881 2719.04 2714.95 2718.97 And then we'd have to go back again and then put that back into that segment mode here . 2718.97 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2719.776 2720.241 2719.83 2720.16 Mm . 2720.16 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2720.08 2724.208 2720.24 2724.17 So that we because in the end we don't want it on a per word basis , but probably on a per segment base . 2722.86 2724.17 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2726.224 2736.769 2726.24 2736.61 Yeah , but then okay , but th at that moment it would be better for me to just make it on a per-segment basis right way , and let her adapt it also to the segment basis . 2726.67 2728.52 2733.84 2736.61 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2728.885 2729.567 2728.91 2729.567 So but - EN2001b D MEE068 3 2732.775 2733.337 2732.99 2733.22 Hmm . 2733.22 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2733.648 2734.147 2733.69 2734.05 Mm . 2734.05 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2735.805 2739.081 2735.93 2738.94 Oh , yeah yeah , actually that yeah , that's true , so that it's easier if you 2736.1 2736.39 2737.02 2737.47 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2736.339 2736.823 2736.45 2736.63 Mm-hmm . 2736.63 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2740.56 2748.416 2740.58 2748.34 are able to yeah well , I think that's probably back where we started at this . But you said it wi but you said it's more complicated , because your segments aren't those segments exactly . 2741.87 2744.0 2746.0 2748.34 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2744.121 2744.587 2744.2 2744.46 Yeah . 2744.46 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2748.22 2761.664 2748.22 2761.51 Yeah , I mean mine are only more , but they have the same start and end point . Sometimes they're two segments and one with a gap in-between , but um the have um th th they don't overlap . 2749.8 2752.0 2754.07 2757.68 2761.51 EN2001b D MEE068 3 2758.16 2758.709 2758.2 2758.59 Hmm . 2758.59 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2761.824 2764.896 2761.92 2764.84 Hmm . And their segments do overlap . 2763.47 2764.84 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2765.185 2767.604 2765.23 2767.604 No no , they don't , but um 2765.63 2766.08 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2766.576 2768.704 2766.6 2768.61 Uh the tho those do or those don't ? 2768.61 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2769.344 2769.824 2769.37 2769.72 Um - EN2001b A FEO066 0 2771.088 2787.741 2771.11 2787.67 they're I mean my segments overlap in the same way as theirs do . But sometimes I have um split one of the segments into two segments , but it's easy to match the start and end times to map it to their segments . 2775.77 2781.02 2787.67 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2775.872 2776.497 2775.91 2776.38 Mm-hmm . 2776.38 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2783.363 2793.424 2783.45 2793.39 Okay . So you could on their granularity you could on their granularity create a score like for each for each of their segments . 2784.14 2793.39 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2791.235 2792.824 2791.33 2792.824 I uh hope so , yeah . 2792.17 2792.69 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2793.67 2794.144 2793.8 2794.04 Mm . 2794.04 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2796.391 2814.214 2796.46 2814.11 Well I guess I mean for you , if you know for each word , if you find that out , then it has to be possible , because if we know sort of this is going from word to word or it this is going from time to time and then there has to be a way then for you say okay , this concerns these following words , and then just make make a simple mean over them . 2797.53 2799.18 2800.0 2801.26 2808.41 2811.04 2814.11 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2800.11 2802.432 2800.19 2801.8 Yeah , then we sh yeah . 2800.43 2801.8 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2815.944 2820.768 2816.03 2820.71 I think an interesting thing is if we don't combine your two scores in the - EN2001b B MEO069 1 2822.192 2842.192 2822.21 2842.11 in the X_M_L_ file you had , but if we do that in the software , then we can probably make ways of playing with it in the software and sort of l you know like adapting some sort of control , like playing around with look like it's playing with different weightings for that the utterance-based one versus the word-based one and sort of look at it dynamically . You know what I mean ? 2823.35 2824.68 2831.89 2841.53 2842.11 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2843.536 2848.699 2843.61 2848.65 Like playing around , sort of figuring out what's the best way of combining them by playing around and looking at the results . 2844.53 2848.65 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2846.017 2847.359 2846.07 2847.21 Mm-hmm , yeah . 2846.92 2847.21 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2849.088 2856.528 2849.37 2856.3 We could even yeah , we could even have a look at our different measures , if they um 2851.72 2854.68 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2849.325 2851.903 2849.4 2851.903 That would be quite difficult , but yeah . 2850.59 2851.78 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2857.565 2861.98 2857.59 2861.92 come up with the same same kinds of yeah . 2861.92 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2857.623 2858.214 2857.69 2858.16 Yeah . 2858.16 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2860.528 2870.984 2860.62 2870.91 Yeah , we could probably like make a uh um graphic display initially , at least for our experimenting . We'd just place them in different ways and then see how they interact with each other . 2860.85 2864.65 2865.63 2870.91 EN2001b A FEO066 0 2870.501 2874.792 2870.54 2874.792 Yeah , I mean that's what I'm already doing with my s uh separate 2870.82 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2873.68 2891.408 2873.72 2891.36 Okay . Yeah . So do you think y like both of you then can map something onto their segments , like just each of you provide one value , like double value or whatever , like one decimal value or whatever onto onto exactly their segments . 2874.31 2875.35 2881.44 2884.64 2886.06 2891.36 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2891.6 2896.576 2891.6 2896.576 Uh I think if I can provide something for the words , as they are 2895.77 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2897.792 2902.871 2897.81 2902.8 It's stated from where to where the segments go . It should be uh should be possible . 2900.45 2902.8 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2901.158 2902.588 2901.28 2902.588 It's stated both in - EN2001b A FEO066 0 2901.371 2904.149 2901.5 2904.1 Yeah , it's tells you even which words it is . 2901.74 2904.1 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2903.904 2907.983 2903.92 2907.7 Yeah , so it must should be possible . Yeah . 2904.27 2907.26 2907.7 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2904.086 2920.912 2904.17 2920.912 It's done both in terms of words and in terms of segments . It's a bit sad sort of that we do this before we've truly figured out how the NITE X_M_L_ thing works , because now we're doing it all by hand and like parsing and un-parsing that thing and it's it's all part of the framework . Uh 2907.16 2911.34 2919.81 EN2001b D MEE068 3 2911.007 2911.539 2911.11 2911.45 Hmm . 2911.45 EN2001b D MEE068 3 2918.013 2919.834 2918.04 2919.834 Yeah . 2919.67 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2922.08 2925.219 2922.21 2925.219 How much easier would it be if we truly understood this . So 2924.84 EN2001b D MEE068 3 2924.63 2933.358 2924.67 2933.358 Oh I'm sure it'd be quite straightforward , some of the tasks we have to do . But yet no one really understands them , the actual X_M_L_ parsing . 2926.2 2928.42 2930.6 2933.18 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2926.913 2928.634 2927.02 2928.634 Mm-hmm . 2928.55 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2934.323 2942.432 2934.41 2942.38 'Kay , I might just change my order of in which I do things and like forget my latent semantic analysis stuff until the weekend and try to really make sense of the 2934.56 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2944.336 2957.76 2944.36 2957.73 of the NITE data system now , so that maybe as soon as I've understood that we find ways of doing that in within the NITE framework already , so that we don't manually have to parse times and entire things together . 2947.24 2952.72 2957.73 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2957.528 2960.929 2957.79 2960.84 You mean by matching strings . Or what ? 2959.77 2960.84 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2961.936 2969.296 2962.04 2969.296 Well , at the moment what you would do like to to solve this problem is you would sort of like write some Perl script or something that gets this time value out of here and 2962.23 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2968.507 2974.602 2968.65 2974.57 Yeah , but what I've done is um a parser , an X_M_L_ parser where you can get the start times . 2968.88 2971.96 2974.57 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2974.981 2975.862 2975.03 2975.76 Okay . 2975.76 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2975.68 2983.257 2975.7 2983.17 So , yeah , that's quite easy , because it's it's an attribute and you just s say that you want the values of those attributes . 2976.56 2976.82 2977.61 2983.17 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2981.264 2992.72 2981.49 2992.66 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . So provided that you get your words in the right order , do you think it is an easy task for you to it it's a f relatively feasible task for you to to get just a single value per segment ? 2982.77 2983.63 2985.77 2992.66 EN2001b C FEO065 2 2992.944 2996.352 2992.98 2996.352 I think that should be possible . I don't know how long it takes me . But 2994.7 2996.21 EN2001b B MEO069 1 2996.704 3000.912 2996.74 3000.88 Okay . And you say you think you're able as well to map onto those segments . 2997.79 3000.88 EN2001b A FEO066 0 3001.424 3004.093 3001.44 3004.02 Yep . Should be possible . 3002.74 3004.02 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3003.392 3012.026 3003.41 3011.95 And if you're both able to map into those segments , then we should be able to get one file where we have like whatever two values , value A_ and value B_ both as attributes for 3005.17 3009.55 EN2001b C FEO065 2 3012.688 3013.176 3012.71 3013.07 Mm . 3013.07 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3014.414 3014.848 3014.43 3014.81 for this . 3014.81 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3017.68 3024.435 3017.84 3024.27 And that we could load into a prototype and see what types of disp what ways of displaying this information are there . 3024.27 EN2001b A FEO066 0 3024.544 3025.079 3024.58 3024.85 Yep . 3024.85 EN2001b A FEO066 0 3030.32 3071.984 3030.35 3071.984 Yeah , I hope to have some value quite soon , but um I just worked um I mean I just calculated the values values for um the average F_ zeros and um they're what's c I mean I didn't have a look at the data yet , but um they vary quite widely even for the same speaker across meetings . So one speaker had um an average of about a hun one hundred um in one meeting and one hundred sixty in another meeting , that's really that's strange . I mean perhaps it's because of laughter or something , that's what I was thinking , but I didn't have 3030.75 3033.45 3047.9 3054.05 3063.63 3065.86 3069.07 3070.17 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3053.584 3054.064 3053.61 3053.95 Hmm . 3053.95 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3059.438 3060.08 3059.53 3060.05 Mm-hmm . 3060.05 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3064.454 3065.053 3064.52 3064.87 Hmm . 3064.87 EN2001b D MEE068 3 3064.707 3065.191 3064.73 3065.05 Hmm . 3065.05 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3072.016 3079.696 3072.46 3079.4 There's probably also social interaction factors in that there's sometimes just a meeting like if people adapt their F_ zero to each other , then they're sometimes p 3078.53 EN2001b A FEO066 0 3073.252 3074.433 3073.34 3074.36 I'll probably look at it . 3074.36 EN2001b A FEO066 0 3079.711 3084.334 3079.84 3084.334 Yeah , that's what I read in one of those papers uh as well but 3080.14 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3083.072 3083.664 3083.11 3083.62 Yeah . 3083.62 EN2001b A FEO066 0 3086.448 3089.312 3086.47 3089.27 Yeah , but it could mess up things quite considerably . 3086.78 3089.27 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3089.312 3105.769 3089.83 3105.6 Can you not do something like just like not measuring the F_ zero or the amplitude at all , but just like the variance of F_ zero within a certain time frame and like sort of like just have some part for its very low variance with more the same F_ zero and one where there's a lot of more variance . I don't well actually I don't know about that at all . 3094.02 3103.74 3105.6 EN2001b A FEO066 0 3104.642 3141.745 3104.66 3141.58 Yeah . But uh ar yeah . But all this is quite , you know , data-intensive . I when I um let the um just calculate the average F_ zero levels , it I think it needed more than half an hour , considerably more than what have half an hour f to delay it for our meetings , because um yeah , m I mean we have seventy five hours per , yeah , av average of six speakers , and they're measured every O_ point O_ one six seconds . And that gives us quite a lot of values . 3105.26 3106.77 3108.38 3108.74 3110.88 3117.77 3120.99 3125.32 3126.8 3131.4 3131.62 3133.4 3138.73 3141.58 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3110.02 3112.498 3110.1 3112.37 Yeah . Sorry . 3111.6 3112.37 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3121.602 3122.124 3121.62 3122.08 Mm . 3122.08 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3124.976 3125.492 3125.05 3125.44 Hmm . 3125.44 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3137.136 3137.92 3137.136 3137.92 . 3137.92 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3142.768 3143.948 3142.9 3143.77 Okay . 3143.77 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3146.912 3153.184 3147.08 3153.184 So at the moment you you just you measuring the F_ zeros relative to the average for the speaker or - EN2001b A FEO066 0 3153.36 3175.936 3153.83 3175.9 Yeah , what I did at the moment is um I um , yeah , I got the F_ zero values from for each speaker for his headphone , and I only take those um the w uh that were recorded at the time where he was actually speaking . And for those I calculated um the average . 3154.01 3157.77 3157.97 3163.8 3171.73 3175.9 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3162.251 3162.824 3162.35 3162.72 Mm-hmm . 3162.72 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3171.265 3171.824 3171.37 3171.73 Mm-hmm . 3171.73 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3176.928 3179.84 3176.95 3179.84 Mm-hmm . Ri so the average 3178.59 EN2001b A FEO066 0 3178.416 3184.24 3178.47 3184.2 Zero . So that gave me um now one value per speaker per meeting . 3178.88 3184.2 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3186.688 3187.792 3187.07 3187.76 Okay . 3187.76 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3189.408 3211.03 3189.43 3210.88 Um so what you would be feeding in would be just like one value per speaker per meeting , so that oka that that's that's your average baseline , okay okay . No yeah , that that makes m yeah , that makes a lot more sense , yeah . So that would show you how much relative to how he sort of how he's performing generally in that meeting relative to that how he's in a specific segment . He or she . 3194.68 3197.71 3198.16 3198.72 3199.88 3200.8 3201.68 3210.41 3210.88 EN2001b A FEO066 0 3194.606 3198.3 3194.81 3198.18 No no , that's just the average . No , that i yeah . 3195.18 3196.42 3196.74 3198.18 EN2001b A FEO066 0 3210.144 3217.664 3210.6 3217.63 Yes , I mean I r just uh needed to have this value now to relate um m how yeah . 3210.97 3217.63 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3215.872 3221.12 3215.99 3221.09 Yeah . Yeah . And for you that would be quite easy to translate into those segments . 3217.12 3218.33 3221.09 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3222.528 3225.68 3222.55 3225.68 Yeah , guess I've asked this question fifteen times now . Sorry . Uh 3222.81 3225.1 3225.36 EN2001b A FEO066 0 3222.608 3223.655 3222.64 3223.62 Yeah , I think . Yeah . 3223.11 3223.46 3223.62 EN2001b C FEO065 2 3224.632 3227.552 3224.632 3227.44 Is laughter annotated at all ? 3227.44 EN2001b A FEO066 0 3228.082 3231.25 3228.18 3231.22 Um amusement and so on is yeah . 3231.22 EN2001b C FEO065 2 3228.505 3234.759 3228.6 3234.28 Because you could take that on ours out maybe . If you take the laughter out and then calculate it . 3231.95 3234.28 EN2001b A FEO066 0 3232.319 3237.184 3232.35 3237.184 Yeah . I I I mean it I actually have to look at the data what causes these um 3232.95 EN2001b C FEO065 2 3235.291 3237.186 3235.36 3237.07 Mm . Yeah . 3236.73 3237.07 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3237.264 3237.871 3237.36 3237.72 Hmm . 3237.72 EN2001b A FEO066 0 3238.896 3245.606 3238.92 3245.33 Because it's quite funny to have a m male speaking at two hun two hundred um . 3245.33 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3244.504 3247.231 3244.65 3247.231 Oh they w they do exist . 3246.85 EN2001b A FEO066 0 3246.289 3247.279 3246.36 3247.279 Yeah , sure but 3246.7 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3249.709 3262.293 3249.85 3262.0 The Castrati corps of the International Computer Science institute . Oh well . I'm afraid I have to go soon . But not quite sure , I mean is there anything more we have to talk about anyway ? 3254.28 3255.8 3258.14 3259.85 3262.0 EN2001b C FEO065 2 3262.864 3266.992 3262.91 3266.91 Not the moment . Maybe if we meet at the weekend . 3263.59 3266.91 EN2001b C FEO065 2 3268.112 3269.303 3268.15 3269.08 Oh I don't know . 3269.08 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3268.089 3284.304 3268.25 3284.24 Yeah . See , as soon as as soon as I'm halfway through my L_S_A_ like basically as soon as I have the the matrix built , if of the document by word stuff , it's very easy to then calculate for each word a score , and I can just give you those scores and you can do with them whatever you want . 3268.88 3269.13 3276.22 3278.57 3281.51 3284.24 EN2001b C FEO065 2 3280.8 3281.92 3280.9 3281.92 Yep . 3281.7 EN2001b C FEO065 2 3285.968 3297.391 3285.99 3297.33 So uh no , how about the the prototype . If we want to show him something on Monday , we definite have to work together . Some of us at least have to work together to get it running probably . 3286.74 3288.83 3291.28 3293.3 3297.33 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3297.28 3307.603 3297.34 3307.44 Yeah , I think Colin , Dave and me will actually work on on the Java stuff , and it and we'll just see whatever you whatever you supply us , we'll try to tie in and visualise in some way or another . 3297.61 3298.49 3301.09 3304.94 3307.44 EN2001b C FEO065 2 3306.934 3307.458 3307.09 3307.41 Alright . 3307.41 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3309.333 3322.672 3309.52 3322.63 Um I'll ask Jonathan if we can postpone the meeting to one o'clock . So that would give us a chance of meeting in for an hour before that to discuss the questions that we had . 3315.97 3322.63 EN2001b D MEE068 3 3315.376 3317.182 3315.44 3317.14 Yeah , that sounds like an idea . 3316.01 3317.14 EN2001b D MEE068 3 3323.344 3326.64 3323.36 3326.55 Yeah . Yeah , just send us an email and tell us what's happening . 3324.08 3324.26 3326.55 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3326.718 3361.67 3326.82 3361.47 Yeah , I haven't gotten like sort of my confirmation that w Wednesday is fine . I'm not sure if I'm supposed to expect a confirmation for my confirmation from him now or but I'll just email him again and s ask him if we can maybe make it one sorry , we said twelve and I'm asking if he can make one . This is a bit frustrating at the moment , this project , isn't it ? It's so like difficult to to get to the point where you understand enough to really feel that . I don't know , I'm not feeling that I'm really working at the moment , I'm more just trying to make sense of everything . And it's a bit too far into the meeting for that , and into the project for that . 3327.15 3330.62 3338.99 3343.99 3345.46 3345.92 3346.22 3352.63 3353.05 3354.88 3358.11 3360.21 3361.47 EN2001b A FEO066 0 3356.923 3357.33 3356.96 3357.22 Mm-hmm . 3357.22 EN2001b A FEO066 0 3360.76 3372.496 3360.83 3372.496 Yeah , and I am at the moment fiddling around with my data and not quite seeing how I get to a sensible abstraction level , you know . From my very 3361.08 3368.57 3369.83 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3368.889 3369.537 3368.97 3369.37 Hmm . 3369.37 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3372.544 3390.645 3372.83 3390.57 I guess as soon as we have a framework in the w in the type of the prototype where like sort of each of us can tie in their stuff and see what it l how how it looks like and how it performs , you know . That probably makes it a lot easier then , but it's sort of it's a boot-strapping problem , like for the prototype we need some type of data , but to develop the data it would be a lot easier to to have the prototype . 3381.03 3381.67 3383.17 3384.68 3387.33 3390.57 EN2001b A FEO066 0 3390.348 3390.851 3390.41 3390.72 Yeah . 3390.72 EN2001b C FEO065 2 3391.821 3393.665 3391.821 3391.821 . 3391.821 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3392.276 3393.565 3392.36 3393.4 Anyway , I gotta go . 3392.66 3393.4 EN2001b A FEO066 0 3392.294 3397.828 3392.39 3397.77 Yeah . So I mean you will be happy with some data , even if it doesn't make much sense . 3392.91 3395.48 3397.77 EN2001b C FEO065 2 3393.665 3394.522 3393.72 3394.37 Yeah , me too . 3393.94 3394.37 EN2001b C FEO065 2 3394.522 3422.048 3394.37 3394.37 .. . 3394.37 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3396.224 3396.595 3396.24 3396.5 Hmm ? 3396.5 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3397.728 3421.728 3397.75 3421.69 Yes , but if it's if it's in a form which is easy to read in at the moment , that would be fine . Sort of like if basically if we have something like this segments file , but for each of you like just have one attribute . I think it's really easy if we don't merge them before-hand , but if we let them if we combine them in the prototype or don't at the moment , because then we can easily d display them individually , c contrast them to each other and play around with how y to combine them . 3398.14 3400.85 3401.44 3404.82 3407.66 3410.19 3414.42 3418.01 3421.69 EN2001b A FEO066 0 3416.561 3419.664 3416.74 3419.63 Try uh try yeah . Mm-hmm . 3419.4 3419.63 EN2001b C FEO065 2 3422.048 3426.514 3422.07 3426.514 Yeah , and also we don't have to recalculate if just one 3422.19 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3425.36 3433.552 3425.38 3433.4 Exactly , yeah . Yeah . And I mean computationally multiplying two integers or doubles or whatever shouldn't be the thing that slows us down . 3426.08 3427.37 3427.87 3433.4 EN2001b A FEO066 0 3432.656 3435.313 3432.72 3435.24 Yeah , if it's already on segments base , that's not too much . 3433.0 3434.36 3435.24 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3435.648 3436.144 3435.67 3436.08 Yeah . 3436.08 EN2001b C FEO065 2 3437.536 3437.995 3437.58 3437.79 Okay . 3437.79 EN2001b B MEO069 1 3438.633 3440.429 3438.84 3439.43 Alright . 3439.43 EN2001b D MEE068 3 3441.52 3442.088 3441.63 3441.98 Right . 3441.98 EN2001d A FEO066 0 20.704 21.392 20.84 21.33 Ah yeah . 21.33 EN2001d B MEO069 1 37.28 38.577 37.3 37.87 Okay . 37.87 EN2001d B MEO069 1 46.96 47.698 46.99 47.53 Okay . 47.53 EN2001d D MEE067 3 48.11 48.544 48.26 48.42 Okay . 48.42 EN2001d B MEO069 1 48.96 49.532 48.99 49.31 Okay . 49.31 EN2001d E MEE068 4 48.912 49.327 48.99 49.17 Yep . 49.17 EN2001d D MEE067 3 56.784 63.379 56.8 63.21 Did I tell you that we've got kind of two-way interaction ? If you control click an utterance , it will play where it should be in the file . 59.41 60.99 63.21 EN2001d B MEO069 1 62.668 89.987 62.78 89.987 Yeah . No , I'm just like sort of like preparing people for um it looks like it looks like really nothing . It looks like basically less than n th their stuff , but actually Dave has written a whole underlying different structure now and if we hooked it up with my display , then we should fairly easily from now get to a stage where we can like select individual segments and click on them , then play that part in a compressed way and display density information . Now at the moment the application is 63.32 63.56 68.59 71.79 77.09 82.6 87.34 EN2001d D MEE067 3 89.694 92.945 89.78 92.89 We should probably set those sizes 'cause that's such an easy thing to do . 92.89 EN2001d B MEO069 1 92.3 125.278 92.4 125.23 Yes , sure but so at the moment we have a dialogue act window and a graphical display w I'm not sure . No , the interesting thing is the sound came when I tried it last time after I I triggered off something by clicking on something . Yeah , there suddenly they come . Probably they're just slow at loading . And they don't have the buttons yet . So at the moment the display is still dis-coupled from it . It's loading your data I'm not quite sure , is this it probably looks like Vera's data from from the looks of it . 92.89 100.94 101.22 109.74 110.06 111.06 113.48 115.88 119.15 120.94 125.23 EN2001d D MEE067 3 99.104 100.256 99.19 100.21 Are you missing the sound ? 100.21 EN2001d D MEE067 3 109.536 110.471 109.56 110.16 Oh , there it is . 109.72 110.16 EN2001d D MEE067 3 115.376 115.824 115.4 115.79 Yeah . 115.79 EN2001d D MEE067 3 122.919 127.534 123.0 127.49 That's Vera's data on the display . But the segments are just made up , aren't they . 125.02 126.96 127.49 EN2001d B MEO069 1 127.483 176.393 127.59 176.393 Yeah , the segments are made up at the moment , but the code's there for integrating real segments . And this is summarised based on just Vera's data at the moment , from some part of the meeting . So we're we're not loading the whole thing at the moment yet properly . But the important thing is this is summarised based on I I realise I'm always pointing at my screen and you don't see . So this stuff is summarised based on on these intensity measures . And we don't have the exact audio record for this . Usually say we should have just copied it . So just to show , Dave has put a uh music file in there , and the music file is playing without gaps . That's because the way how we handle it at the moment is that Dave prepares an audio file , creates an audio file dynamically from just the chunks that we wanna have , and that runs in synch with what we have in the 127.74 129.13 132.24 135.97 138.82 141.93 147.78 153.36 156.03 157.68 158.61 161.42 164.7 169.98 173.51 EN2001d A FEO066 0 169.696 170.121 169.73 170.01 Mm-hmm . 170.01 EN2001d B MEO069 1 179.162 180.958 179.24 180.958 I'm not even sure why I'm making loud . It's just 180.48 EN2001d B MEO069 1 183.535 187.194 183.63 187.15 So we see that running along with playing - EN2001d B MEO069 1 189.216 194.371 189.24 194.33 of the music we see the the highlight of the dialogue acts . 194.33 EN2001d E MEE068 4 194.96 196.368 194.98 196.29 Right . That's pretty good . 195.61 196.29 EN2001d D MEE067 3 196.752 201.025 196.77 200.92 You can also control click on the dialogue acts and it will play that section of the file as well . 200.92 EN2001d B MEO069 1 206.136 207.259 206.23 207.19 Okay , s 206.96 EN2001d B MEO069 1 209.903 221.071 209.97 221.071 So and and that already this part here already is dynamically created . Um shall I just load it with Jasmine's data , just to see a different Where's the 214.64 218.17 EN2001d D MEE067 3 218.759 222.916 218.85 222.916 Yeah , if you want . Oh that one looks almost com just you need to 219.14 220.6 EN2001d A FEO066 0 224.368 231.009 224.83 230.87 So uh which version of my data was that , the very first one ? Yeah . Okay . 227.63 229.28 230.64 230.87 EN2001d D MEE067 3 227.577 229.691 227.71 229.55 The original , the very first one . 228.49 229.55 EN2001d B MEO069 1 227.775 248.537 227.83 248.44 Quite old . Yeah , we were b like doing this , we were just concerned with the whole stuff . And Dave , where what am I looking for ? Am I looking for in data manager ? Where am I looking ? Or is it f is it where the is it where the file names are ? Is it here ? Is it uh sh is it here where um words importance file ? 230.07 230.66 232.06 236.09 237.12 238.31 239.52 240.59 242.91 245.09 248.44 EN2001d D MEE067 3 232.875 233.466 233.11 233.36 Yeah . 233.36 EN2001d A FEO066 0 233.936 237.528 233.96 237.528 Yeah , v I mean really doesn't matter . Just wanted to know if I'm just 234.2 236.11 EN2001d D MEE067 3 239.829 241.76 239.87 241.71 Um it will be in program . 241.71 EN2001d D MEE067 3 243.011 244.664 243.07 244.57 Where do I call your display ? 244.57 EN2001d D MEE067 3 248.816 255.984 248.97 255.94 No , it is on your display . Um where it calls which one to get , you just need to change the flag . 249.23 251.81 254.62 255.94 EN2001d B MEO069 1 256.08 257.063 256.1 256.87 In my display . 256.87 EN2001d D MEE067 3 257.424 260.393 257.45 260.3 Um I think it must be , unless I it . 259.17 260.3 EN2001d B MEO069 1 262.784 264.133 262.87 264.0 Uh let me t - EN2001d C FEO065 2 263.112 265.824 263.17 265.824 How y how do you do the summary ? Is it 264.79 EN2001d D MEE067 3 264.697 271.168 264.87 271.09 Oh no , actually yeah , you can change it for in the summary when the summary gets called in program manager , you can do it . 265.13 265.62 270.57 271.09 EN2001d B MEO069 1 268.402 268.909 268.56 268.83 I d - EN2001d B MEO069 1 272.288 273.063 272.53 273.063 Just - EN2001d C FEO065 2 272.592 279.201 272.61 279.16 So are you basing it on certain thresholds uh over a special d uh s okay . 279.16 EN2001d D MEE067 3 276.201 279.66 276.3 279.61 No , not yet . It's just picks the top-ranked ones at the moment . 276.57 277.01 279.61 EN2001d B MEO069 1 279.89 281.661 280.0 281.47 Okay , so wh where did you say , in prog 280.22 281.07 EN2001d D MEE067 3 280.962 285.936 281.07 285.9 Yeah , the easiest thing is in programme manager , where it makes the summary . It's probably the best place to do it . 281.16 282.98 284.27 285.9 EN2001d B MEO069 1 285.856 288.096 286.05 287.96 W you know where that is , just about ? 287.31 287.96 EN2001d D MEE067 3 288.144 289.312 288.17 289.09 It'll be above that . 289.09 EN2001d B MEO069 1 289.696 290.672 289.75 290.52 Above that . 290.52 EN2001d D MEE067 3 293.908 299.848 293.93 299.76 It'll be down . It's gonna be after the data manager's made . Yeah , that . 295.16 299.14 299.46 299.76 EN2001d B MEO069 1 293.792 294.414 293.95 294.414 Like in - EN2001d B MEO069 1 297.662 299.792 297.69 299.74 In this main in this routine ? 299.74 EN2001d D MEE067 3 301.504 302.64 301.52 302.6 A new summary . 302.6 EN2001d B MEO069 1 302.912 307.711 303.14 307.64 There is something read importance with a zero and there is read word importance with a one . 307.64 EN2001d D MEE067 3 308.144 314.777 308.17 314.7 Yeah , th can't remember where I put it . Maybe it will be in s the summary constructor then . 308.62 311.95 314.7 EN2001d B MEO069 1 309.185 311.547 309.21 311.39 Shall I swap those around ? Hmm ? 311.06 311.39 EN2001d D MEE067 3 317.853 320.148 317.95 320.01 Yeah , try the summaries constructor . 318.15 320.01 EN2001d B MEO069 1 319.407 322.984 319.46 322.81 Well wha wha what what's the differe so th this is reall - EN2001d D MEE067 3 322.36 328.59 322.4 328.48 Well it reads them into separate arrays and then you can just change a flag to select one i which one it gives back . 328.48 EN2001d B MEO069 1 325.458 325.99 325.54 325.93 Yeah . 325.93 EN2001d B MEO069 1 329.664 332.096 329.74 331.84 Shall I just swap the file numbers around from now ? 331.84 EN2001d D MEE067 3 332.016 332.842 332.04 332.73 Yeah , if you want . 332.27 332.73 EN2001d B MEO069 1 333.712 335.744 334.2 335.65 Or would that crash anything ? 335.65 EN2001d D MEE067 3 336.18 337.369 336.24 337.25 Uh that should be fine . 337.25 EN2001d B MEO069 1 341.644 345.111 341.644 345.01 Oh yeah , and and we really leave a . Maybe have to find out where . 342.04 343.22 345.01 EN2001d D MEE067 3 344.224 347.708 344.33 347.56 Yeah , I should make a new constructor that lets you set the flag . 344.63 347.56 EN2001d B MEO069 1 346.676 347.309 346.76 347.12 Mm . 347.12 EN2001d B MEO069 1 347.943 352.969 348.06 352.84 Mm . So you have time this afternoon ? Yeah . So here . 348.91 351.29 352.27 352.84 EN2001d D MEE067 3 350.529 351.056 350.61 350.93 Yeah . 350.93 EN2001d B MEO069 1 356.154 389.455 356.17 389.4 So this shows if we see anything at all , then we see at the moment at least that we are definitely be um having a different summary , just because we're having a different im um important measure . So you see that um i it does something . Like at the moment I think this was yeah yeah , that's an old old old version . So it shows um and so if you if you think about how the old version happened , then you see it makes sense that words like prosody , just like a sing if that was the only utterance , then that probably scored quite well and stuff . 359.43 364.86 368.56 372.8 374.87 376.1 382.53 384.95 387.7 389.4 EN2001d C FEO065 2 373.516 379.803 373.7 379.803 Oh that's the old old one . Okay . Okay . 375.31 376.59 378.24 EN2001d D MEE067 3 374.884 375.524 375.02 375.32 Yeah . 375.32 EN2001d E MEE068 4 377.997 378.389 378.05 378.21 Mm . 378.21 EN2001d B MEO069 1 391.933 393.014 392.04 392.89 Um - EN2001d B MEO069 1 394.72 397.823 394.89 397.823 we have to get these buttons , Dave . 395.99 397.62 EN2001d A FEO066 0 394.899 395.323 395.01 395.29 Yeah . 395.29 EN2001d D MEE067 3 396.796 397.346 396.86 397.28 Yeah . 397.28 EN2001d A FEO066 0 398.499 410.73 398.52 410.49 Yeah , probably . Probably all these uh-huhs and uh-hmms are spelled differently in the thing or what's the problem . You should generalise . . 398.68 400.09 406.36 410.49 410.49 EN2001d D MEE067 3 398.668 401.006 398.71 401.006 It's weird . On mine it complains about 399.24 EN2001d B MEO069 1 404.337 405.152 404.43 405.12 Yeah . 405.12 EN2001d B MEO069 1 411.79 418.384 412.12 418.22 Unfortunately , I didn't get the the bar on the display working just yet . But that should be a small issue . 412.74 416.97 418.22 EN2001d D MEE067 3 416.16 416.721 416.2 416.64 Okay . 416.64 EN2001d A FEO066 0 417.408 433.378 417.87 433.378 Ah-ha . That's a very old one rather . I think those S_s and E_s and so on , the single letters , are because of the problem with my um first version of the text thing . 'Cause I think the 418.05 419.77 422.12 423.29 432.25 EN2001d B MEO069 1 426.924 434.993 427.11 434.84 Yeah , I know this is very old . We just never bothered to update the stuff , because we were working on so we see that we have a very different density curve as well for this one . 427.25 428.19 429.82 434.84 EN2001d B MEO069 1 436.693 437.381 436.73 437.381 And - EN2001d B MEO069 1 439.235 466.035 439.37 466.035 Yeah , so from here we go , and it hopefully won't be too difficult to now first of all put the right segments in , put a sliding bar into this so that people see where they are . So I'm uh I'm I'm constantly touching stuff on my screen I realise . And and then make selections based on a segment . Now what we're not quite sure is what's the best way for like how the summariser works . Should it always compress a segment to a constant length though , by a constant factor of time ? Or 439.51 440.62 444.18 447.24 450.11 454.2 460.43 463.95 465.72 EN2001d B MEO069 1 470.401 477.6 470.45 477.51 What would you think sort of if , you know , if if there's a certain degree of of summarisation , what should be the constant ? 472.23 472.44 476.12 477.51 EN2001d A FEO066 0 477.936 478.388 477.96 478.19 Hmm . 478.19 EN2001d E MEE068 4 478.384 481.038 478.41 480.99 Mm , I suppose it should depend on the length of the segment . 478.65 480.99 EN2001d B MEO069 1 481.2 484.916 481.22 484.916 So always like a . So it should always , whatever , reduce it to half the original 482.32 483.07 483.36 EN2001d E MEE068 4 483.666 486.036 483.71 485.9 Mm , I guess that would make more sense , yeah . 484.18 485.56 485.9 EN2001d B MEO069 1 488.127 490.613 488.43 490.613 'Cause an al like an alternative view would be that - EN2001d A FEO066 0 490.314 495.729 490.38 495.49 Yeah , but but perhaps more than half . Otherwise you go in too slowly , yeah . 490.55 493.21 495.24 495.49 EN2001d B MEO069 1 492.578 519.809 492.72 519.63 Yeah . Yeah , well I guess that could be uh adaptable . 'Cause an an alternative view would be that you could sort of make it that it always is the same length . So if you like if the whole meeting is selected , it compresses the whole meeting to five minutes . Then if one um segment , uh w one topic is selected , then it plays this whole topic in five minutes . But that's sort of that gives people a bit less control over so maybe we should do it instead that it yeah , it c it you can spec 493.37 493.53 495.73 500.24 502.01 504.15 508.22 509.85 512.94 518.24 EN2001d E MEE068 4 502.758 503.323 502.78 503.2 Hmm . 503.2 EN2001d D MEE067 3 519.165 526.753 519.3 526.58 I think that to be honest is something we can worry about at the end . I mean that's quite trivial to change and we got a lot of other work to do . 523.1 526.58 EN2001d B MEO069 1 527.008 532.34 527.03 532.22 Yeah . What's that you discussed for today though ? What's there to talk about for today ? 528.88 530.68 532.22 EN2001d E MEE068 4 527.056 527.466 527.09 527.36 Hmm . 527.36 EN2001d E MEE068 4 533.136 535.536 533.29 535.5 Yeah , I was wanting to talk about the search . 533.5 535.5 EN2001d D MEE067 3 535.792 538.624 535.82 538.49 Yeah , we need to get on that pretty shortly , I think . 536.1 538.29 538.49 EN2001d E MEE068 4 538.544 545.106 538.56 545.06 Yeah . Yeah , I'm quite keen to do like most of that . Like make an index search and stuff . 539.42 539.64 541.79 545.06 EN2001d D MEE067 3 543.808 551.604 543.88 551.5 Okay , so I'll need to do some changes to program manager to be able to handle um changing results . 544.31 551.5 EN2001d E MEE068 4 549.696 559.092 549.74 559.06 Yeah , I think what basically what I need at is um just a list of words with an index to start with for each meeting . 550.07 559.06 EN2001d D MEE067 3 560.586 561.936 560.68 561.85 What kind of index ? 561.85 EN2001d E MEE068 4 562.481 573.2 562.78 572.92 Um I suppose it doesn't really matter as long as they're unique and it can I can pass 'em back to you and you can use that to the display . Um yeah , probably . 571.04 572.28 572.92 EN2001d D MEE067 3 567.971 570.233 568.12 570.15 Take and make them in a hash map or something . 570.15 EN2001d B MEO069 1 573.161 582.956 573.22 582.956 Shall we abandon the whole notion of seeing the whole m one whole group as one single thing and just work on a p certainly from now on probably for good that means . I mean 582.54 EN2001d D MEE067 3 578.936 580.433 579.04 580.36 Certainly for now , yeah . 580.02 580.36 EN2001d D MEE067 3 582.588 583.071 582.61 582.99 Yeah . 582.99 EN2001d E MEE068 4 582.766 589.008 582.8 588.39 Yeah . Oh yeah , do you want you know how you've just got data for one meeting , are you needing more at the moment ? 583.37 583.61 586.01 588.39 EN2001d D MEE067 3 588.824 594.072 588.94 593.92 Um well from the point of us developing it , it doesn't really make much difference . 592.45 593.92 EN2001d E MEE068 4 594.336 595.258 594.36 595.16 Mm , I guess not . 594.69 595.16 EN2001d B MEO069 1 594.584 595.108 594.66 594.95 No . 594.95 EN2001d B MEO069 1 596.8 602.123 596.92 602.05 Do we have everything for the same meeting at the moment ? Like is it are you y are you all working on the same meeting ? 599.12 602.05 EN2001d C FEO065 2 596.85 597.466 596.98 597.466 Um - EN2001d E MEE068 4 602.016 604.257 602.04 604.14 Yeah , I think we're all using the first one . Hmm . 602.16 603.86 604.14 EN2001d B MEO069 1 604.156 604.821 604.32 604.73 Okay . 604.73 EN2001d B MEO069 1 606.267 610.704 606.34 610.67 Did anyone ever check if that's actually a good meeting like or f comparably to others ? 610.67 EN2001d E MEE068 4 611.824 615.027 611.88 614.94 Um I think it segments quite well though , first one . 614.35 614.94 EN2001d B MEO069 1 619.536 620.261 619.67 620.08 'Kay . 620.08 EN2001d C FEO065 2 620.324 627.352 620.34 627.25 So you want to send Steve the prototype and we should change data . Where's the best best place to put it ? 624.71 627.25 EN2001d A FEO066 0 625.489 638.868 625.95 638.78 Um uh sorry , the only problem with the first meeting is for ex that there's no um a hot spot annotation for that . But I mean that's not not a real problem . M 626.66 635.08 638.28 EN2001d C FEO065 2 634.036 634.426 634.11 634.35 Oh . 634.35 EN2001d C FEO065 2 639.356 644.395 639.39 644.32 Do you um take it from from my directory ? Or do I have to put in in the sh 642.49 EN2001d D MEE067 3 643.594 646.944 643.67 646.84 Um well at the moment it's just a an old file . 646.84 EN2001d C FEO065 2 646.976 652.62 647.0 652.57 Yeah , but would you take it from from my directory ? Or okay . 647.33 651.39 652.57 EN2001d D MEE067 3 650.06 652.704 650.15 652.6 It'd probably be , yeah , best to make a copy of it . 650.93 651.31 652.6 EN2001d D MEE067 3 654.144 654.862 654.17 654.76 I'd have thought . 654.76 EN2001d D MEE067 3 660.036 675.327 660.13 675.19 I don't think I'm gonna be able to do um the speech tools through Java native interface 'cause the documentation for them is horrific . It's really bad . So I think I'm thinking I'll just write out a script and do it with a system call . 669.68 671.05 675.19 EN2001d B MEO069 1 676.974 678.32 677.05 678.26 Yeah . 'Kay . 677.87 678.26 EN2001d B MEO069 1 679.616 680.133 679.68 679.99 Yeah . 679.99 EN2001d D MEE067 3 681.44 684.609 681.68 684.53 Not yet . Yeah , the I just don't think it's worth wasting too much time on it . 681.98 682.18 684.53 EN2001d B MEO069 1 684.704 685.221 684.74 685.11 No . 685.11 EN2001d E MEE068 4 684.727 690.448 684.76 690.35 Yes , it's not really important that we get it like nice and c clean or anything like that . 685.15 690.35 EN2001d D MEE067 3 688.992 689.433 689.09 689.33 Yeah . 689.33 EN2001d B MEO069 1 691.484 716.306 691.54 716.22 Yeah , especially because I mean that's that's that's only done like once every time the selection changes , right ? So even if you sort of even if you do an hourglass at that moment and , you know , even if it pauses for ten seconds , well that's tough luck then . Uh , think we should just make sure that if it takes quite some time that that the clock doesn't start before or that the audio and the clock are in synch sort of . So th 691.73 697.22 698.09 701.67 702.78 704.3 707.91 708.67 715.93 EN2001d D MEE067 3 697.333 697.792 697.64 697.76 Hmm . 697.76 EN2001d D MEE067 3 706.498 708.261 706.6 708.17 I don't think it would take that long anyway . 708.17 EN2001d D MEE067 3 714.522 720.864 714.68 720.81 Yeah yeah . So yeah , it we just start everything after the summary's been created . It's not a big problem . 715.85 716.43 719.24 720.81 EN2001d B MEO069 1 719.376 731.634 719.59 731.59 Yeah . Yeah , there's a wait for command for an external ca like for an external call to make sure that the external thing is finished because in general like that's sort of running parallel , I think . Yeah . 721.15 721.3 730.0 731.27 731.59 EN2001d D MEE067 3 730.189 730.713 730.25 730.6 Yeah . 730.6 EN2001d B MEO069 1 735.276 741.664 735.4 741.63 I have some code for system calls like that handles the in and the output if you need some of that . 741.63 EN2001d D MEE067 3 741.842 746.624 742.04 746.57 Um I don't think I'll need that really 'cause I'll just dump out a temporary file . 746.57 EN2001d B MEO069 1 743.455 744.054 743.54 743.99 Okay . 743.99 EN2001d B MEO069 1 749.456 755.569 749.48 755.49 Okay , cool . Um I don't really know what to talk about . 749.82 751.73 755.49 EN2001d B MEO069 1 758.358 758.89 758.42 758.89 We have - EN2001d B MEO069 1 763.673 774.127 763.76 774.127 See there's there's one week after my dissertation . So we're f uh before the presentation of the prototype . Which I can work a lot lot lot on this . So that's good . Um 765.96 769.52 771.4 773.46 EN2001d D MEE067 3 774.864 778.88 774.9 778.82 I think we should decide what we want it to actually look like in the end . 778.82 EN2001d D MEE067 3 781.04 786.688 781.06 786.65 'Cause are we gonna have some kind of tree view to represent the meetings and stuff ? 786.65 EN2001d E MEE068 4 789.152 789.856 789.19 789.856 Mm - EN2001d D MEE067 3 792.272 798.954 792.3 798.86 Because if if we're not then we'd probably have to make the graphical display display a bit more information . 798.86 EN2001d B MEO069 1 800.973 821.106 801.22 821.106 Yeah , well the graphic display will definitely have more information . Um if we're at the moment abandoning abandoning the concept of displaying the whole series of meetings just because it's for us like more bureaucracy , more complexity , and it probably just won't give us any brownie points in the presentation . Or do you think it will , I mean do you thi like 801.36 804.57 815.42 816.1 819.5 820.16 EN2001d D MEE067 3 818.928 819.363 819.01 819.25 Mm . 819.25 EN2001d A FEO066 0 820.912 834.07 820.99 833.94 I uh think it might . Why , because um i um Steve lay quite a lot of um weight on um you know uh surfing through meetings . 822.67 823.03 833.94 EN2001d A FEO066 0 835.741 844.322 835.77 844.24 So we should at least provide an overview of different meetings of one group . At the beginning he um talked quite a lot about that . 840.35 844.24 EN2001d B MEO069 1 843.923 844.372 843.99 844.17 I c - EN2001d D MEE067 3 844.336 852.649 844.38 852.59 It's not too difficult to do and it's sort of a hack kind of way 'cause we can just treat it all as one meeting . 852.59 EN2001d B MEO069 1 849.392 849.785 849.41 849.785 We're - EN2001d B MEO069 1 851.208 857.619 851.26 857.619 As one meeting , yeah . Yeah , and then maybe have some basic information . Like if 852.07 853.25 853.73 857.05 EN2001d D MEE067 3 859.21 866.369 859.31 866.27 But we'll just create like hard segments at the start and end of each meeting . Like ones that are red instead of black or something like that . 863.58 866.27 EN2001d B MEO069 1 867.488 878.483 867.52 878.24 Yeah . So just a little bit of ad additional information in the display that knows where meetings , picking it over , and otherwise internally we treat it like so we have continuous I_D_s for the segments . Yeah , that works . 867.96 872.16 872.68 877.4 877.69 878.24 EN2001d D MEE067 3 876.848 885.025 876.88 884.9 Mm-hmm . So other than , yeah , other than well we'll just create a hard boundary in between each one so you can see the thing . 877.89 879.29 879.47 884.9 EN2001d B MEO069 1 885.144 897.584 885.29 897.41 Yes , but apart from that we don't really do anything different as if it was just one meeting . Yeah , I completely agree . So the only thing it would be that the display gets information about where they are and displays them as hard boundaries . 885.58 890.22 890.7 891.44 897.41 EN2001d D MEE067 3 887.85 890.145 887.94 890.06 Yeah . I mean that's quite a cheap way to do it . 888.41 890.06 EN2001d A FEO066 0 897.099 913.234 897.92 913.2 Um and what about the similarity measure for segments ? Do we um also present that in this window , and do we do it across meetings ? Uh I think that was planned at the beginning , wasn't it ? 901.93 906.54 910.06 912.73 913.2 EN2001d B MEO069 1 909.602 910.492 909.69 910.492 Um - EN2001d B MEO069 1 913.6 926.832 913.62 926.79 Yeah , so the initially I thought it was sort of more a search functionality um that simply there's one button that says find similar segments , and then in the same display where we display the search results from the search . 913.91 923.27 926.79 EN2001d A FEO066 0 922.464 922.922 922.48 922.8 Yeah . 922.8 EN2001d A FEO066 0 927.89 934.059 927.96 934.01 Uh okay . So it wouldn't be displayed in in the uh graphical display . Oh . 928.9 933.8 934.01 EN2001d B MEO069 1 928.245 928.543 928.31 928.46 Wha - EN2001d B MEO069 1 931.523 941.341 931.58 941.21 Well I'm not so you think displaying uh like an information about similarity to the select uh like to a selected meeting in to a selected segment in the other segments ? 941.21 EN2001d A FEO066 0 941.12 953.299 941.76 953.299 Um no . I I'm just coming back to our initial idea of presenting some , you know , all the similar segments in uh across meetings and separating by uh some things like 942.45 946.86 947.11 EN2001d B MEO069 1 952.197 959.564 952.51 959.564 No no , I think that's I really don't wanna do that to be honest . Um it would be nice but like just 953.2 957.45 EN2001d D MEE067 3 959.152 961.667 959.18 961.5 It might be possible to do it in the summariser . 961.5 EN2001d B MEO069 1 965.223 989.76 965.44 989.73 Yeah , but i it it should appear as a continuous thing f for the yeah . But I'm not I'm not sure if it's worth much bother though . Like if we do a s like a similarity search , and just like you say find me similar segments and then sort of like you have a list and you click on one of them and then you go to that segment , I think that's quite useful um even without displaying them sort of dis-continuously . 965.6 972.55 974.98 977.51 983.24 989.73 EN2001d D MEE067 3 968.784 971.388 968.8 971.3 Yeah , it will still appear continuous on the display . 968.95 971.3 EN2001d A FEO066 0 974.708 975.216 974.8 975.08 Mm-hmm . 975.08 EN2001d D MEE067 3 990.0 992.224 990.05 992.08 So how are we gonna display the search for this corpus ? 992.08 EN2001d B MEO069 1 992.505 1026.646 992.6 1026.56 Well I was thinking of just like really just a m more or less just imagine those are search results each like each of them sort of them sort of giving whatever . We should aim to get some names for segments , like just some extraction of something that we can call . And if it's just the single highest um importance measure o phrase of a segment , so that we have something to display for them . Like basically just a summarisation down to one segment . And it would just be a list like this and you click on one and then w you tho you know , then the whole bureaucracy kicks in like this gets the nota notification , this gets the notification . 1001.57 1004.46 1007.41 1013.03 1015.46 1018.01 1022.55 1025.38 1026.56 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1015.408 1015.874 1015.48 1015.75 Hmm . 1015.75 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1021.008 1022.694 1021.03 1022.46 Yeah , yeah , yeah . Yeah , I think so . 1021.18 1021.76 1021.89 1021.98 1022.46 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1028.192 1028.598 1028.21 1028.52 Yeah . 1028.52 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1028.816 1029.402 1028.89 1029.37 Okay . 1029.37 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1030.34 1041.088 1030.49 1041.04 And then we could like we could sort of use the same thing for um yours and mine . Because yours would sort of give just the segment I_D_s and mine would give the start segment I_D_s . 1035.89 1041.04 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1038.88 1039.211 1038.9 1039.12 Yeah . 1039.12 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1042.08 1042.448 1042.13 1042.36 Right . 1042.36 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1045.113 1066.044 1045.18 1065.94 So basically this display would have information about a segment where something starts . Maybe se well maybe also something where something ends , like for mine , and some string that we pass to describe what like what it is . You wait , your search , what would it return ? Would it return just the specific like it would go right to the utterance , right ? 1050.96 1054.01 1055.61 1060.94 1061.37 1061.76 1062.49 1065.69 1065.94 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1060.16 1060.594 1060.18 1060.51 Yeah . 1060.51 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1066.46 1073.677 1066.52 1073.53 Yeah , I suppose my search will r it returned the utterance , but if you're searching for a word , you need an index for the word and the utterance as well . 1066.71 1069.43 1070.63 1073.53 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1073.055 1096.34 1073.2 1096.27 Yeah sure , sure sure . Um yeah . So in in your case like it would basically would probably say the utterance here or at least some part of the u yeah . And in my case it would say some name for the segment , and then you would just click on it and then like the whole thing would kick in . Like you c you click on it and and the selection moves and the display goes to that part . 1073.68 1075.06 1077.17 1084.6 1087.66 1091.53 1096.27 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1081.92 1085.599 1081.99 1085.5 Um it p it'd probably select it , yeah . It would make sense to do that . 1083.45 1084.16 1085.5 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1091.424 1092.057 1091.44 1091.95 Yeah . 1091.95 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1099.897 1112.04 1100.01 1111.99 Okay . How advanced are we gonna have our search ? Because I definitely think we should restrict it to I think we should um be able to restrict it to specific speakers and things like that , but nothing too fancy . 1100.42 1102.12 1110.53 1111.99 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1102.674 1105.393 1102.79 1105.393 Very very basic , yeah . 1104.79 1105.25 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1104.851 1105.441 1104.851 1105.36 Yeah . 1105.36 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1109.088 1114.096 1109.17 1114.096 Yeah , yeah . If yeah , if if you can pass me like the dialogue act with 1109.64 1110.31 1110.78 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1116.304 1118.372 1116.32 1118.372 Yeah , was it the speaker . And then 1116.53 1117.93 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1117.405 1119.248 1117.47 1119.18 Do we have them with a speaker at the moment ? 1119.18 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1117.944 1121.312 1118.05 1121.25 Oh i uh well , with a speaker I_D_ . 1120.01 1121.25 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1119.553 1119.869 1119.69 1119.869 It - EN2001d E MEE068 4 1121.392 1123.255 1121.46 1123.19 Yeah , that that should be enough , shouldn't it ? 1121.81 1122.82 1123.19 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1121.71 1122.528 1121.77 1122.45 Okay , cool . 1122.08 1122.45 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1123.504 1131.518 1123.58 1131.43 Yeah , in fact if someone could create a file with the speaker I_D_s and speaker names . that done ? Okay . 1123.72 1129.94 1131.01 1131.43 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1124.26 1124.934 1124.29 1124.934 'Cause you can - EN2001d E MEE068 4 1128.768 1130.038 1128.79 1129.93 Oh yeah , I d I did that , yeah . 1129.0 1129.75 1129.93 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1129.149 1130.13 1129.22 1129.98 Just random sp - EN2001d A FEO066 0 1129.257 1133.431 1129.45 1133.431 Oh , I I have that file . So just 1129.71 1131.56 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1131.52 1133.731 1131.54 1133.731 Yeah , I d I did that as well actually . 1131.68 1133.69 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1133.123 1135.154 1133.2 1135.03 Where is it ? Is it in the group directory ? 1133.85 1135.03 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1135.088 1140.106 1135.44 1140.03 Um yes , in the data . Yeah , group data , speaker data , or something . 1135.98 1137.28 1137.67 1138.7 1139.38 1140.03 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1138.738 1139.287 1138.78 1139.16 Okay . 1139.16 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1143.04 1151.801 1143.08 1151.69 Yeah , it's um the data manager should be quite well documented . So you should be able to use that for the search quite easily . 1143.34 1148.22 1151.69 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1148.016 1148.442 1148.04 1148.34 Yeah . 1148.34 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1150.432 1150.769 1150.45 1150.68 Right . 1150.68 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1152.368 1152.848 1152.39 1152.81 Yeah . 1152.81 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1155.5 1158.768 1155.96 1158.768 So what about - EN2001d E MEE068 4 1159.104 1164.192 1159.14 1164.192 Is it sorry , could I d use that ? At the moment it's ready to like get dialogue acts out with 1159.79 1160.66 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1163.994 1168.933 1164.2 1168.89 Uh from yeah , on the dialogue act level . I've not got it reading in the topic segments yet . 1165.06 1166.45 1168.89 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1169.504 1169.926 1169.52 1169.78 Yeah . 1169.78 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1170.729 1175.136 1170.81 1175.09 Just 'cause that was lower priority . But yeah , all the you can get all the utterances . 1172.87 1173.18 1175.09 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1172.592 1173.216 1172.65 1173.13 Yeah , yeah . 1172.94 1173.13 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1176.544 1178.759 1176.56 1178.65 Alright . Yeah , I should maybe just get started with 'em . 1177.25 1177.38 1178.65 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1180.45 1181.856 1180.48 1181.72 Making a search with that . 1181.72 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1183.016 1192.192 1183.09 1192.14 So what about a general layout like this that we have here , the dialogue acts and there the player b And here we'd have a search button and the similarity thing button . 1185.54 1192.14 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1192.24 1192.665 1192.26 1192.55 Hmm . 1192.55 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1196.121 1198.288 1196.16 1198.2 So where are gonna put the search results ? 1198.2 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1196.08 1196.928 1196.18 1196.928 I mean we can - EN2001d B MEO069 1 1199.536 1201.957 1199.56 1201.957 Ah , good question . Um 1199.91 1201.1 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1201.664 1209.003 1201.68 1208.91 If we move everything to the right a little bit and make a little bar on the left . Yeah , like the search results in there . 1207.3 1207.54 1208.91 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1206.608 1216.055 1206.63 1215.87 Yeah . Yeah . I think we probably like we can leave those like I_ frames and just arrange them sort of . Yeah . 1208.32 1209.32 1215.64 1215.87 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1209.12 1209.456 1209.14 1209.37 Yeah . 1209.37 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1214.576 1221.931 1214.6 1221.931 Yeah yeah . Like we'll basi Yeah . We'll get something to print out their locations . So we'll arrange it in a nice little order . We 1215.82 1217.51 1219.77 1221.54 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1220.786 1229.182 1220.786 1229.15 Alternatively we'll have like the whole thing running already when we do the presentation and we just arrange it manually . My c 1228.83 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1227.602 1231.62 1227.75 1231.55 Yeah . It's quite easy to do though . So I think we probably should . 1228.88 1230.37 1231.55 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1231.02 1251.888 1231.2 1251.888 Uh , apparently Microsoft sometimes or like at least in the past the demonstrations where they just exactly knew which five percent of the system were working . And that's what we're gonna do as well . Has anyone ever seen anything from the other group ? They have all Ah . They have all sorts of sc scarily good 1232.04 1239.24 1242.11 1245.37 1248.84 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1240.672 1241.113 1240.72 1241.02 Yeah . 1241.02 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1244.477 1244.801 1244.52 1244.71 No . 1244.71 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1245.169 1250.807 1245.26 1250.57 Uh we should try running that thing again , see what it does now . Or just delete or back-up it . 1247.13 1249.21 1250.57 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1246.992 1248.88 1247.01 1248.88 Yeah . 1248.78 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1250.512 1254.413 1250.512 1254.413 Yeah of course , we've got here . 1251.6 1253.6 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1257.984 1262.38 1258.0 1262.38 That would be evil . 1262.29 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1258.544 1263.536 1258.56 1263.41 Oh j so I can print obscene messages in the background to um standard output . 1263.41 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1263.552 1264.078 1263.57 1263.99 Yeah . 1263.99 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1265.536 1266.448 1265.56 1266.448 Oh dear . 1266.17 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1268.564 1273.877 1268.75 1273.8 If anything we build in a time bomb that only fails if the date is the date of the presentation . 1273.8 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1272.215 1275.804 1272.215 1275.57 Oh . 1275.57 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1277.386 1278.978 1277.41 1278.89 Yes , because we are nice people . 1277.79 1278.89 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1280.784 1288.409 1281.3 1288.409 Dave , this rate thing , do we have any direct control to that ? Or is that just directly controlling how fast it plays and sort of we can only 1281.57 1282.36 1283.88 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1287.953 1293.865 1287.98 1293.75 It doesn't seem to work very well . It's capable of slowing down the audio , but speeding up doesn't seem to work at all . 1289.28 1291.6 1293.75 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1293.728 1296.939 1294.19 1296.79 That's a pity because it looks like it's doing something . 1296.79 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1297.6 1303.45 1297.62 1303.35 You have to pause it and play it for the . Yeah , that's uh their clock component . 1300.8 1301.06 1303.35 EN2001d A FEO066 0 1298.32 1301.365 1298.34 1301.3 Did you overtake that code from the original thing ? 1301.3 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1302.101 1302.567 1302.12 1302.44 'Kay . 1302.44 EN2001d A FEO066 0 1304.064 1306.943 1304.08 1306.9 Yeah , but also speeding up the audios and s 1304.24 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1306.032 1308.886 1306.09 1308.83 Oh , it's all part of the same component that does that . 1306.19 1308.83 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1309.962 1315.975 1310.1 1315.89 Um do you think if we override their component and just override whatever , the the action to that slide-bar is ? 1314.13 1315.89 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1316.592 1319.408 1316.7 1319.35 Uh no , we'd have to look in their code and see what it actually does . 1317.12 1319.35 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1320.72 1325.725 1320.74 1325.59 This thing is really bizarre . It slows it down a bit . The speed up doesn't seem to work . 1322.19 1324.21 1325.59 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1327.776 1330.352 1327.8 1330.32 Yeah , maybe it has a different constructor when you create it . 1327.95 1330.32 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1329.611 1336.178 1329.68 1336.06 Yeah . Also their grasp of algebra is terrible . Well yeah , it shouldn't be minus two times , it should be half . 1330.37 1333.44 1333.86 1335.29 1336.06 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1332.816 1333.231 1332.87 1333.12 Is it ? 1333.12 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1336.752 1338.208 1336.77 1338.17 Oh yeah . I suppose . 1337.15 1338.17 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1340.592 1343.202 1340.67 1343.08 'Cause that'd be playing it backwards twice as quickly . 1343.08 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1343.312 1343.779 1343.33 1343.67 Yeah . 1343.67 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1345.084 1351.545 1345.21 1351.49 So if so something like their skipping , would it actually corporate with our system at the moment ? Would ours skip automatically forward ? 1346.87 1349.57 1351.49 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1351.304 1354.015 1351.37 1353.88 Uh it should do , but you've probably gone past the end of the file . 1352.19 1353.88 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1354.72 1355.645 1354.76 1355.6 Yeah , I realise . 1355.08 1355.6 EN2001d C FEO065 2 1357.257 1364.632 1357.43 1364.48 Maybe that's the problem . Maybe they have got um the minus in the code as well , and then something in is messed up . 1358.92 1361.8 1364.48 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1365.104 1370.236 1365.56 1370.08 I don't know . I think it's just um it did do it . It's that bright selection . 1366.05 1368.79 1370.08 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1365.407 1365.948 1365.64 1365.68 Uh . 1365.68 EN2001d C FEO065 2 1369.273 1369.938 1369.32 1369.75 Uh-huh . 1369.75 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1374.647 1375.944 1374.82 1375.74 Yeah , whatever . 1375.34 1375.74 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1378.368 1385.296 1378.39 1385.1 So do you think a tree-view for like an overview of the whole set of meetings would be good ? Yeah , it w it would look good . 1384.01 1384.2 1385.1 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1382.422 1383.453 1382.48 1383.453 Be yeah uh - EN2001d B MEO069 1 1383.392 1391.21 1383.7 1391.06 I think this simple this simple st view that we get that you can just like pass things into and then check when they got clicked really . 1391.06 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1384.944 1386.484 1384.96 1386.484 Either that or another - EN2001d D MEE067 3 1392.192 1408.164 1392.22 1408.09 Something that might be quite cool is if you could um you know , like some applications , when you open a file , you get like a little preview . If we could do something like that that displays like a five line summary when you you're about to open the file or something like that . 1396.33 1397.31 1398.43 1401.18 1408.09 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1401.563 1402.045 1401.63 1401.98 Hmm . 1401.98 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1408.358 1413.247 1408.46 1413.17 Yeah , I suppose you could calculate them off-line and just , yeah , have a like like a l little thumbnail or something . 1408.6 1410.76 1411.09 1413.17 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1411.775 1413.671 1411.87 1413.6 Hmm . Yeah . 1413.23 1413.6 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1413.189 1416.288 1413.41 1416.16 Well couldn't the summar oh no , then we would have to override though . 1414.87 1416.16 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1415.626 1418.495 1415.68 1418.34 The summariser is quite quick . It could probably do it dynamically . 1416.91 1418.34 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1417.796 1423.649 1417.89 1423.61 Yeah . I mean it would be a bit pointless , but it would look good for the presentation . Yeah . I suppose . 1418.2 1419.61 1422.0 1423.0 1423.61 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1420.502 1428.108 1420.6 1428.108 Yeah , it'd look pretty and I'm not convinced you'd get any kind of good quality summary out of it in only five lines . But 1420.92 1427.78 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1426.617 1427.058 1426.7 1427.0 Yeah . 1427.0 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1426.612 1458.16 1426.86 1458.13 Hmm . But i in a sense I mean if we see uh yeah , but like probably that would be the same thing that we also display up here . Because I really think that having like some but that would probably even be shorter than five lines . Like really just getting I think getting one or two best utterances for each segment would be really worthwhile . For the search results I probably think that instead of a p a simple summary , something that displays the utterance where the where the word was like displays in a highlighted form where it was found . 1427.35 1430.44 1433.61 1438.11 1447.55 1452.35 1458.13 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1459.184 1459.612 1459.2 1459.52 Hmm . 1459.52 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1459.464 1467.281 1459.71 1467.18 Another quite good thing might be um how are you do you know how easy it is to apply two tips to things in Java ? I've never done it before . 1466.23 1467.18 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1465.798 1467.76 1465.95 1467.66 To to apply what ? 1467.66 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1466.752 1469.015 1466.88 1468.91 I've never done it , but I'd imagine it must be quite easy . 1467.49 1468.91 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1468.87 1480.677 1468.9 1480.677 'Cause what would be quite cool is if on this search result , you could give it each one a tool tip that had the context . Like the utterance before , the utterance itself and the utterance after . So that when you hovered over it 1471.57 1475.51 1476.72 1479.32 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1478.864 1481.526 1478.88 1481.34 Yeah , it'd be nice for a presentation , yeah , yeah . 1479.0 1480.52 1481.08 1481.34 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1481.532 1494.765 1481.94 1494.69 Well alternatively we could always have sort of a third small component , whatever , like if this was the search results , and then they are just like something else that's part unwritten when Miles goes over this one it triggers that one to display it or something . 1487.54 1487.8 1489.16 1494.69 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1494.684 1499.75 1494.76 1499.62 But yeah , if we can get the tool tip , we should use it though . 'Cause I think it should be quite easy . 1495.32 1496.48 1497.88 1499.62 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1496.416 1511.904 1496.66 1511.85 And a tool tip is I think a very straightf yeah , it especially with a preview we'll be able to get tool tip fairly simple because it's just a property of it . Uh , I've never seen tool tips displaying several lines and stuff though so I wonder how good that'll look . But we'll we can try that . 1499.83 1505.65 1505.98 1510.73 1511.85 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1500.002 1500.305 1500.02 1500.25 Hmm . 1500.25 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1504.432 1505.664 1504.54 1505.63 Yeah , that's what I would have thought . 1504.73 1505.63 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1511.856 1515.94 1511.94 1515.8 Um it's quite common in like some applications . Yeah . 1515.5 1515.8 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1514.96 1520.977 1514.99 1520.63 Really ? Well , so far only seen tool tips of few words length . But yeah , uh that should be fairly easy . 1515.65 1515.96 1518.65 1519.2 1520.63 EN2001d A FEO066 0 1529.344 1534.928 1529.36 1534.928 Um where we have a moving band the graphical display that also moves according to the - EN2001d B MEO069 1 1534.788 1539.313 1534.87 1539.28 Yeah yeah , we will have . That's actually just gonna happen today and we will have proper segments as well . 1535.15 1535.83 1539.28 EN2001d A FEO066 0 1536.112 1536.48 1536.14 1536.41 Yeah . 1536.41 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1539.6 1543.393 1539.62 1543.34 Hmm . Is that quite easy to do to get um a moving cursor ? 1540.1 1543.34 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1544.038 1583.536 1544.14 1583.5 Um the thing I remember , like I have to find out how to do it without redrawing the display each time , because the display at the moment does take , you see , like it takes a fraction of a segment to display , but probably too much to update it to completely repaint the whole thing every second . So um at the moment I'm just whenever it needs to be repainted , I'm not thinking about to do and just repainting the thing as a whole with a moving bar that's not a good idea . But until I think of something better , what I'll just do is I'll just I'll probably not have a moving bar the whole length , but just some indicator somewhere . Like whatever , just uh a triangle moving at the bottom for now or something . And then I can just like repaint a small area or something . 1546.07 1549.79 1552.33 1552.61 1555.89 1560.38 1565.42 1570.11 1571.98 1575.4 1576.92 1578.0 1580.8 1583.5 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1580.704 1581.155 1580.74 1580.99 Hmm . 1580.99 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1582.758 1601.145 1582.91 1600.97 Um all you need to do is just one value . Um the height , it doesn't change in value , does it ? So if you just remember the colour that it was last at and you re-draw a line behind it of that colour and then the next one . 1587.45 1588.83 1590.21 1590.97 1600.97 EN2001d C FEO065 2 1584.101 1585.747 1584.23 1585.57 And the area could be smaller . 1585.57 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1590.868 1591.408 1591.06 1591.37 Yeah . 1591.37 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1599.824 1624.822 1600.11 1624.822 Yeah , I have to find I have to find out the the commands for like really just redrawing a small small piece . So I have to just there's examples t um for for doing stuff like that . I just have to read up on it . But yeah , displaying the the current position bar will be easy , provided that my whole calculations of like where we are in time here are all correct . I mean that's just something that isn't tested so far . But it should be . I mean 1600.28 1607.18 1609.82 1610.96 1611.26 1615.41 1620.5 1623.45 1624.36 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1622.263 1622.701 1622.3 1622.58 Yeah . 1622.58 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1633.428 1651.68 1633.63 1651.68 So the the general concept , will will you two just uh keep on working on improving the information density measures or do you think there'll be a point when you say well that's that's it , we have we have an information density score and and we'll be looking for something else to do ? Or 1636.76 1645.44 1651.2 EN2001d A FEO066 0 1651.664 1674.368 1652.28 1674.33 Uh f I'm pretty sure that I can uh always find something to improve there . So I mean if you need me to work on something else , um I can try to finish my stuff um early , but um otherwise I can still keep working on it , improving it , I think . 1656.83 1659.84 1666.41 1673.37 1673.97 1674.33 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1660.192 1660.94 1660.36 1660.72 Okay . 1660.72 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1677.812 1684.031 1677.83 1683.98 'Kay . Well , I'm actually at the moment I don't see how many people can work on on the programming anyway . 1678.2 1678.53 1683.98 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1683.034 1687.99 1683.16 1687.93 No , right now it probably won't be that much benefit . Right now it probably won't be much benefit . 1683.52 1686.21 1687.93 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1685.404 1686.288 1685.7 1686.21 Hmm ? 1686.21 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1688.064 1688.796 1688.24 1688.6 No . 1688.6 EN2001d C FEO065 2 1690.403 1703.938 1690.53 1703.89 Yeah , as soon as I've finished all the meetings I think there's not that much to do unless I get some evaluation method . But that could be quite difficult . I would have to tag uh some part of it or something . 1690.69 1698.47 1700.16 1703.89 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1705.152 1705.933 1705.152 1705.933 Did we - EN2001d C FEO065 2 1705.411 1709.371 1705.43 1708.95 Because if I d if I can't evaluate , I can't do any better . 1707.37 1708.95 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1709.109 1710.832 1709.26 1710.77 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 1709.89 1710.36 1710.77 EN2001d C FEO065 2 1711.488 1714.896 1711.51 1714.85 Because I don't know how to do better if I don't evaluate anything . 1714.85 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1713.125 1713.807 1713.27 1713.76 Mm-hmm . 1713.76 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1713.297 1728.624 1713.35 1728.624 So this is the component based evaluation he was talking about yesterday , isn't it ? Yeah . Oh so that's a bit annoying , 'cause like it's my hope we could just go cobble something together and just say look it's great . Yeah . 1716.68 1718.46 1720.24 1721.34 1727.74 1728.05 EN2001d C FEO065 2 1716.192 1718.757 1716.21 1718.72 Yeah . Yeah , he's really keen on that , isn't he . 1716.85 1717.16 1718.2 1718.72 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1717.045 1720.92 1717.1 1720.92 Yeah . Yeah . Well I guess I mean 1718.6 1719.84 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1718.708 1719.324 1718.75 1719.24 Yeah . 1719.24 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1726.0 1729.502 1726.02 1729.38 Yeah , I was just gonna do some sort of informal evaluation . 1726.28 1729.38 EN2001d C FEO065 2 1726.065 1726.73 1726.14 1726.68 Mm . 1726.68 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1726.454 1751.471 1726.66 1750.82 Uh I was a bit pissed off yesterday about that part because it was sort of just like a decision we had taken . So okay , we've been talking about evaluation l in the first report and there's nothing new we can say about it this time . And I thought we said that in the meeting before we wrote the report . And then he came back with this whole criticism saying like oh , you didn't say anything about um evaluation and then yeah , but we did that in the last report . We said we're not gonna go oh , but now I expected it in more detail and Oh . 1732.79 1733.14 1738.43 1741.35 1743.53 1745.99 1747.11 1748.28 1750.82 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1737.856 1739.23 1737.88 1739.14 Yeah , I did say that . 1738.4 1739.14 EN2001d A FEO066 0 1739.711 1740.268 1739.76 1740.16 Yeah . 1740.16 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1741.252 1741.768 1741.33 1741.6 Yeah . 1741.6 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1751.472 1753.029 1751.49 1752.87 Yeah , he did give us eight out of ten though . 1751.7 1752.87 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1753.141 1759.84 1753.33 1759.72 If that translates to eighty percent , like if if those actually translate to to really like their percentage scores , then that would be good . 1754.66 1758.95 1759.72 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1753.309 1753.974 1753.35 1753.74 Yeah . 1753.74 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1759.984 1767.92 1760.08 1767.76 I think they do 'cause that's the first um sixty percent or isn't it ? 'Cause it's I thought they were thirty percent each . 1764.83 1767.76 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1761.248 1762.048 1761.55 1762.0 Hmm . 1762.0 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1764.08 1765.059 1764.1 1764.88 Sixteen ? 1764.88 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1765.072 1765.52 1765.09 1765.45 Yeah . 1765.45 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1766.784 1767.089 1766.8 1767.02 Yeah . 1767.02 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1768.111 1798.11 1768.3 1798.11 What ? There were forty percent each and this is how they became sixty percent Now what Okay . Um how much do you think there were ? Ten each . Not bad . We also it it just means that he's relatively lenient because I mean the reports were I think they were ok good reports . But like probably somebody else wouldn't have said they were excellent . So that's a good sign 'cause it shows that he's not hell-bent on 1772.31 1778.35 1781.35 1783.31 1784.51 1791.66 1795.08 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1768.279 1769.915 1768.36 1769.68 No I think they were ten percent each . 1769.68 EN2001d C FEO065 2 1768.816 1771.297 1768.85 1771.23 I don't know . Ten percent each . Yeah . 1769.45 1770.89 1771.23 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1769.526 1770.74 1769.6 1770.66 Only ten percent . 1770.66 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1770.785 1771.309 1770.82 1771.22 Yeah . 1771.22 EN2001d A FEO066 0 1770.935 1771.335 1770.98 1771.29 Yeah . 1771.29 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1775.461 1776.775 1775.59 1776.69 I thought they're thirty . 1776.69 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1779.824 1781.181 1779.84 1781.07 I think they're worth ten percent ? 1781.07 EN2001d C FEO065 2 1780.636 1781.833 1780.73 1781.75 Yeah . Yeah . 1781.45 1781.75 EN2001d A FEO066 0 1781.04 1782.064 1781.06 1782.0 Yeah , ten percent . 1781.28 1782.0 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1795.296 1795.758 1795.33 1795.64 Hmm . 1795.64 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1797.904 1801.135 1797.92 1801.135 Yeah , I suppose he can see that we're putting the work in . 1798.23 1800.99 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1800.28 1800.837 1800.35 1800.74 Yeah . 1800.74 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1800.651 1805.731 1800.86 1805.7 Uh And then he'll see the final display and he'll realise that it was all fake , that we didn't actually do any of the work . 1804.33 1805.7 EN2001d C FEO065 2 1800.834 1804.327 1800.94 1804.327 No , but it's 1801.21 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1805.82 1813.177 1805.95 1813.1 'Cause I think we'd rampantly underestimated how long it'd take to do the actual uh software engineering bit . 1813.1 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1809.638 1811.488 1809.73 1810.29 I - EN2001d E MEE068 4 1811.488 1815.648 1811.63 1815.61 Yeah , that yeah , that interface and integration , yeah . 1811.81 1813.0 1815.22 1815.61 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1817.509 1818.54 1817.71 1818.54 See the thing is - EN2001d B MEO069 1 1821.456 1829.294 1821.52 1829.294 Like for me personally , I think a lot of work will be done in in the last minute , in this specific case . That's not a new statement at general . But 1822.67 1826.5 1827.48 1828.99 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1830.992 1840.762 1831.01 1840.68 Like the week just before the presentation , I have most of the stuff that I I'm doing now , I'm rid of it , including the dissertation and DIL . 1835.33 1837.67 1838.46 1840.68 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1834.976 1835.388 1835.01 1835.27 Mm . 1835.27 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1839.952 1842.448 1839.99 1842.32 Mm-hmm . Yeah , same for me . 1841.28 1841.54 1842.32 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1843.531 1852.497 1843.55 1852.36 See I'll probably just be starting stuff then 'cause I'll be starting the uh S_N_L_P_ thing and the D_M_ project . 1852.36 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1843.543 1844.167 1843.56 1844.167 So - EN2001d E MEE068 4 1849.926 1850.549 1850.02 1850.49 Oh yeah . 1850.49 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1851.751 1852.492 1851.96 1852.37 Hmm . 1852.37 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1852.096 1853.636 1852.12 1853.636 Oh no , I forgot about that . 1852.65 1853.53 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1853.887 1855.716 1853.94 1855.65 What are you doing for your D_M_ project ? 1855.65 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1855.696 1860.712 1855.74 1860.61 Um I'm gonna do like an on-line museum archive . You get like a document for each exhibit . 1858.63 1860.61 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1860.231 1860.805 1860.36 1860.68 Oh . 1860.68 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1862.112 1875.258 1862.15 1875.16 Is yeah , I kind of nicked the idea . He went about code M_L_ . I'm gonna make one for guitar tablature . Yeah . But I I think it might have been bit off more than I could chew . So I think it's gonna be quite hard . 1862.91 1864.92 1867.02 1870.83 1871.36 1873.88 1875.16 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1868.304 1870.928 1868.34 1870.8 Oh yeah . Oh that'd be quite a good one actually . 1869.7 1870.8 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1875.408 1877.788 1875.43 1877.73 Yeah , would you have to do like music notation and stuff ? 1875.55 1877.73 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1878.261 1884.384 1878.4 1884.384 Mm well tab doesn't usually have music notations , just um pitch information . Uh 1881.48 1884.16 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1882.0 1882.417 1882.03 1882.26 Right . 1882.26 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1884.006 1885.669 1884.04 1885.669 Okay , that's n not so 1884.35 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1885.669 1973.792 1885.669 1885.669 . 1885.669 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1887.003 1888.492 1887.07 1888.41 See how far I get anyway . 1888.41 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1890.88 1897.567 1890.91 1897.567 So Jasmine , if if you got something like this and like this for for your current data , would that help in 1892.12 1896.46 EN2001d C FEO065 2 1898.57 1899.952 1898.71 1899.952 Um - EN2001d B MEO069 1 1899.764 1902.925 1899.88 1902.925 I sort of have been promising this for a week now I realise . I'm gonna give you 1901.98 EN2001d C FEO065 2 1901.136 1908.176 1901.136 1908.14 Yeah . Don't know if it's that n yeah , it might be of help . Yeah . 1903.44 1906.08 1907.93 1908.14 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1907.51 1915.162 1907.65 1915.162 Uh , 'cause it's empty at the moment . I mean Dave i it's a pretty much r it sh should be a question of copying it over it r over , right ? So I just didn't 1908.09 1909.03 1912.74 1914.11 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1913.248 1917.623 1913.41 1917.52 Mm yeah . Well you can easy add a command line parameter . 1914.7 1917.52 EN2001d C FEO065 2 1917.872 1919.584 1917.89 1919.43 It's not essential though , I think . 1919.03 1919.43 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1919.517 1920.235 1919.65 1920.2 Yeah . 1920.2 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1923.123 1930.288 1923.14 1930.24 Can probably add a open file dialogue box with minimum effort because I think it's a ready-made component that returns a string for a file name . 1930.24 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1926.122 1926.688 1926.25 1926.56 Mm . 1926.56 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1930.823 1934.448 1930.93 1934.36 It may even return a file directly . Possible . 1933.89 1934.36 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1933.522 1938.231 1933.59 1938.16 Or that w yeah . So we can do that today ? 1936.1 1938.16 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1939.552 1949.059 1939.78 1948.94 Probably . Um the thing is , it I don't know . It doesn't really make sense to call it file open or anything like that 'cause that's it's more like an option . 1940.63 1941.74 1942.75 1948.94 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1940.568 1941.1 1940.63 1941.06 Yeah . 1941.06 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1950.822 1951.894 1950.87 1951.81 To set the par . 1951.81 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1954.89 1956.032 1955.02 1955.91 Yeah , but why don't we ? 1955.22 1955.91 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1955.306 1957.95 1955.41 1957.86 Because it reads everything just from one file . 1957.86 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1958.553 1973.209 1958.63 1973.13 Yeah , I know , sure it j like it it would not necessary need to be a part of the final thing , but why don't we just provide some means , even if it does it automatically in the beginning as a start-up option , just to ask for a file name . 'Cause then we can just publish a script that you just run and then this whole thing starts . 1958.82 1958.98 1962.26 1964.46 1967.03 1968.49 1973.13 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1967.239 1967.796 1967.33 1967.64 Mm-hmm . 1967.64 EN2001d E MEE068 4 1973.792 1974.209 1973.82 1974.07 Hmm . 1974.07 EN2001d B MEO069 1 1974.964 2007.821 1975.1 2007.78 You know what happened to me today , like I forgot about the whe I'm not sure if we had that problem before , finding the Java media , the Java X_ media stuff on all the jars for that . Yeah , I was like suddenly panicking at eleven when I realised God , I just thought it would be very straight-forward to get it going here . And then I got that thing . Yes , so um if we do a version which automatically opens up a file open box . You're yeah , f so you're automatically producing the right format with this no um with just per utterance . 1976.19 1979.58 1981.6 1985.44 1986.32 1988.78 1992.06 1994.11 1994.39 2000.37 2001.16 2007.78 EN2001d D MEE067 3 1983.377 1985.573 1983.51 1985.46 Oh yeah , that did happen once before . 1984.0 1985.46 EN2001d C FEO065 2 2005.564 2005.955 2005.68 2005.83 Hmm ? 2005.83 EN2001d C FEO065 2 2008.64 2016.864 2008.72 2016.83 Uh yeah , f per utteran uh I print the utterances in the I_D_ . Uh no , the the I_D_ of the utterance and uh the measure I think . 2009.06 2012.56 2013.24 2016.83 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2012.512 2013.062 2012.53 2013.01 Okay . 2013.01 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2016.192 2030.095 2016.24 2030.095 Mm-hmm . So would it be easy slash dissu difficult slash impossible like at the moment if we skip to a s treating a whole series as one thing . So like creating one file for the whole series that gives the uttera the ideas from top to bottom and 2017.19 2025.2 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2030.528 2034.935 2030.58 2034.81 Or even just the entire corpus . That's what um Colin's file has got . 2032.5 2034.81 EN2001d C FEO065 2 2035.424 2043.929 2035.47 2043.87 That shouldn't make too much difference . If I just take well m a file or where one meeting is in or 2038.52 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2035.41 2036.79 2035.52 2036.79 But the entire corpus . It 2036.56 EN2001d C FEO065 2 2045.344 2048.571 2045.36 2048.41 concatenate all those , shouldn't be too bad . 2047.19 2048.41 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2048.763 2049.478 2048.98 2049.44 Hmm . 2049.44 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2050.528 2053.964 2050.62 2053.84 Does his ? It's it's easy to load that much just text . 2051.05 2053.84 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2056.0 2065.446 2056.4 2065.41 Yeah . Where do you think you can uh produce something like that . Like I think we should go for like for one group , not for the whole corpus . 2057.95 2060.3 2064.33 2065.41 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2065.603 2079.93 2065.83 2079.76 Uh I think it makes more sense to go for the whole corpus because the meet the um the I_D_s gonna have gaps and stuff in them otherwise . And it means you have to read through the list of utterances when you're compiling all the data over and over and over and over again . 2073.8 2079.76 EN2001d A FEO066 0 2079.661 2090.338 2079.68 2090.27 So so you want um the dialogue act numbers to be um continuous throughout the corpus so that second meetings begins with three hundred um something . 2090.27 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2079.648 2080.971 2079.68 2080.62 No no n - EN2001d B MEO069 1 2085.472 2085.959 2085.55 2085.88 Yeah . 2085.88 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2086.951 2087.491 2087.0 2087.31 Yeah . 2087.31 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2087.392 2087.833 2087.42 2087.78 Yeah . 2087.78 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2089.568 2090.027 2089.59 2089.92 Yeah . 2089.92 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2090.048 2101.217 2090.07 2101.217 Yeah , no but Dave um yeah , so tha that's what I was thinking that like the second meeting should continue till the first one's stopped . A and for one group that's true because it's sort of like their meeting's you know , like that one meeting and then 2090.26 2093.24 2096.67 2100.13 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2099.958 2106.587 2100.1 2106.53 Well a at the moment the main data i that's just uh uniquely numbered throughout the entire corpus . 2106.53 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2107.455 2108.096 2107.59 2108.06 Hmm ? 2108.06 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2108.366 2115.619 2108.43 2115.49 Well at the moment from the dump file , it's just got them uniquely numbered throughout the entire corpus . 2111.58 2115.49 EN2001d E MEE068 4 2115.84 2116.274 2115.87 2116.1 Hmm . 2116.1 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2117.264 2121.53 2117.34 2121.53 The utterances . Okay and and that's the 2119.81 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2118.391 2118.857 2118.46 2118.73 Hmm . 2118.73 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2121.056 2133.937 2121.13 2133.84 And it makes more sense to do that anyway because um that means you got more flexibility with how you want to group them . And one thing you really don't want is ever to have two utterances that could potentially have the same I_D_ . 2127.33 2133.84 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2135.315 2142.983 2135.45 2142.983 But it just doesn't make sense in the logic-wise , sort of like until here it's the meeting about this thing and then it's that thing and then it's it's this like . Whereas 2137.86 2142.51 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2142.335 2145.777 2142.59 2145.67 Yeah , but that's the point of the data manager is to manage all that . 2142.73 2145.67 EN2001d A FEO066 0 2143.885 2159.467 2143.95 2159.467 Couldn't we couldn't we just um take the um a name each um each dialogue act um meeting dot um dialogue act number . It would be a la longer name , but 2157.69 2159.09 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2157.025 2170.562 2157.08 2170.43 It's possible , but it's it's not really much point . 'Cause at the moment it's got quite nice property that the dialogue act number also coincides with the array index number in the array of dialogue acts , which is quite nice . 2157.79 2160.82 2169.52 2170.43 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2169.467 2181.344 2169.57 2181.09 Whereas uh s mayb maybe we're talking k like so so your data manager , would that then handle the whole thing ? Would that handle it that this would only like the display would only display one group ? 2174.79 2176.11 2181.09 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2180.274 2182.96 2180.43 2182.91 Well you could you could choose whatever you wanted . 2182.91 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2183.707 2199.821 2183.79 2199.54 Yeah , so if I mean I don't mind where it's done . So if the data manager filters it out and like I just think that in in the logic of the programme it's it's much easier to justify why we say we treat a series of meetings as one single thing rather than w 2183.96 2185.75 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2197.984 2224.386 2198.62 2224.3 But you may not be interested in the same series each time . You might want to display all meetings that had a particular phrase mention , say . And those might not be the ones that we enumerated as one meeting , in which case you're gonna have conflicting I_D_s and things like that . Whereas the da if you do it in the data manager , you can control any logic like that programmatically rather than doing it by hand and setting it in stone for all time . 2202.0 2206.86 2207.58 2210.61 2214.95 2216.95 2224.3 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2214.729 2215.278 2214.89 2215.19 But a - EN2001d B MEO069 1 2231.199 2236.479 2231.34 2236.37 I b like would just I would find logical reasons for why you can sugg say peop - EN2001d D MEE067 3 2235.743 2243.206 2235.92 2243.14 Well it's just good practice . Like it separates the data from the programme logic . What you're talking about doing is embedding some of the programme logic in the data . 2237.27 2239.65 2243.14 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2244.944 2252.912 2245.14 2252.912 Uh but I see this two completely g def like I see each ser each group is completely separate amount of data that shouldn't - EN2001d D MEE067 3 2251.11 2254.885 2251.2 2254.84 Yeah , but that's a decision we're forcing on the user when we don't have to . 2251.43 2254.84 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2255.12 2278.103 2255.21 2278.05 Okay . But would it still like would we still in the logic of it still have continuous I_D_s if we say we take just just one meeting . Like would would the display for example still be able to just say I want from whatever from the first until the last and and everything in between sort of and and the data manager would then display that just for that meeting . Okay well , if that's possible , yeah . 2257.26 2264.23 2276.63 2277.05 2277.71 2278.05 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2274.388 2276.001 2274.56 2275.88 Yeah , I don't see why not . 2275.11 2275.88 EN2001d C FEO065 2 2279.6 2284.208 2279.86 2284.17 Have you currently got continuous I_D_s for your topic segments ? 2284.17 EN2001d E MEE068 4 2283.344 2287.457 2283.4 2287.32 Well I have I've only done the first meeting . But yeah , th that's the plan . 2286.14 2286.52 2287.32 EN2001d C FEO065 2 2286.416 2288.689 2286.44 2288.689 Oh okay , I thought you had done all of them and 2286.9 EN2001d E MEE068 4 2288.976 2297.44 2289.01 2297.41 Um for the topic segments ? Yeah , sorry , for topic segments I have . But for the utterances I've just got one meeting so far . But the idea was that it would be continuous . 2290.26 2290.52 2290.77 2291.74 2295.42 2297.41 EN2001d C FEO065 2 2290.016 2291.604 2290.11 2291.53 Yeah . Yeah . 2291.3 2291.53 EN2001d C FEO065 2 2295.088 2295.578 2295.15 2295.45 Mm-hmm . 2295.45 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2296.704 2297.218 2296.77 2297.11 Yeah . 2297.11 EN2001d C FEO065 2 2298.174 2298.656 2298.2 2298.62 Okay . 2298.62 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2299.12 2302.955 2299.24 2302.86 I think it sh everything should be like that , continuous in chronological order . 2301.11 2302.86 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2303.128 2303.818 2303.26 2303.54 Okay . 2303.54 EN2001d C FEO065 2 2304.615 2309.621 2304.84 2309.55 Is that what v what you've got , because um because the different meeting series overlap . 2306.41 2309.55 EN2001d C FEO065 2 2311.36 2312.126 2311.38 2312.08 I think . 2312.08 EN2001d E MEE068 4 2311.44 2311.888 2311.46 2311.74 Yeah . 2311.74 EN2001d E MEE068 4 2313.398 2314.512 2313.44 2314.37 Remember how did I do it . 2314.37 EN2001d A FEO066 0 2317.368 2319.649 2317.48 2319.59 A problem um yeah . 2319.59 EN2001d E MEE068 4 2318.861 2319.285 2318.93 2319.23 Hmm . 2319.23 EN2001d C FEO065 2 2320.464 2321.392 2320.48 2321.392 I don't know . 2321.1 EN2001d A FEO066 0 2321.376 2333.989 2321.4 2333.989 For example as there are not um F_ zero values for every speaker or on sometimes not for every meeting , um how will I count that up ? I mean 2328.97 2333.46 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2327.253 2329.488 2327.33 2329.42 I'm not sure , I haven't really looked at the data . 2327.93 2329.42 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2334.604 2337.265 2334.7 2337.18 If there's no value , I guess you have to put a zero in . 2335.72 2337.18 EN2001d A FEO066 0 2339.528 2343.968 2339.58 2343.87 Ah okay . At the moment I don't even generate any document uh document for those . 2340.16 2343.87 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2344.0 2344.565 2344.07 2344.44 Yeah . 2344.44 EN2001d A FEO066 0 2345.712 2350.087 2345.73 2349.94 But because I mean it's not zero , it's just a noun . Hmm . 2348.25 2349.84 2349.94 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2351.684 2354.469 2351.74 2354.34 Well it might be more sensible to assign it an average value . 2354.34 EN2001d A FEO066 0 2358.977 2365.679 2359.04 2365.679 But wouldn't it be better for the importance measure if that just wouldn't be part of it then ? The 2365.24 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2367.008 2370.4 2367.03 2370.31 Well we'd w only use F_ zero when it was present though , wouldn't we ? 2369.77 2370.31 EN2001d A FEO066 0 2371.688 2372.098 2371.77 2371.94 Hmm ? 2371.94 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2372.16 2375.156 2372.31 2375.08 We well we'd want to use F_ zero when it's present . 2375.08 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2375.872 2386.736 2375.99 2386.63 Yeah , that's what Vera said . No . So you you'd you'd also say that it shouldn't be part of the importance measure if there's no F_ zero . 2376.27 2378.0 2379.52 2386.63 EN2001d A FEO066 0 2387.328 2387.762 2387.4 2387.65 Yeah . 2387.65 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2390.112 2400.266 2390.13 2400.09 Yeah . Well , I I don't know how we're gonna do the fusing of the different if inf importance measures anyway . Bu if that's done in the programme or if that's done off-line . 2391.91 2392.07 2396.5 2400.09 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2394.546 2395.111 2394.59 2394.99 Yeah . 2394.99 EN2001d E MEE068 4 2400.056 2403.174 2400.12 2403.12 I th think it should be done in the program 'cause we're probably gonna want to change it . 2403.12 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2401.55 2405.508 2401.63 2405.4 Yeah , in the summariser it'd be the uh ideal place to do that . 2402.28 2405.4 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2402.21 2403.717 2402.32 2403.66 Yeah . Yeah . 2403.26 2403.66 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2405.129 2427.846 2405.2 2427.77 Yeah . Does anyone have a good idea like at the moment to play around with it , what's a good way of displaying two types of information in the in the colour display . I mean uh there's probably logical ways , like if one is whatever , if one is the darkness and the other is the redness or something . Has anyone ever experimented with sort of displaying two-dimensional information in in colour ? Because then we could do Jasmine's and and Vera's probably in the same scale . 2405.7 2408.52 2414.0 2415.42 2416.38 2419.06 2423.49 2427.77 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2427.43 2432.112 2427.55 2431.99 You could use um red green and blue to display up to three . 2431.99 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2433.294 2434.258 2433.48 2434.14 Yeah . 2434.14 EN2001d A FEO066 0 2433.351 2441.072 2433.49 2441.01 Yeah , but do we really want do display them separately because the user won't okay , for now for our s okay . 2433.85 2438.83 2441.01 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2436.391 2441.744 2436.45 2441.7 F for now . No , for now . Like yeah , for us . 2438.64 2438.79 2439.48 2440.54 2441.7 EN2001d C FEO065 2 2442.495 2448.282 2442.63 2448.24 Might be interesting to the user though , just the word importance maybe . 2445.43 2448.24 EN2001d A FEO066 0 2448.031 2460.494 2448.14 2460.38 Yeah , but then the user would have to know about what s w was what and what contributed to the blue stripes and what contributed to the red ones . Uh I think that wouldn't be a good idea . 2448.54 2458.73 2460.38 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2448.517 2449.657 2448.69 2449.54 Hmm . S 2449.51 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2451.046 2454.516 2451.16 2454.516 Yeah . Yeah , I think we sh we shouldn't 2452.0 2452.18 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2454.888 2455.447 2455.2 2455.23 T - EN2001d B MEO069 1 2456.924 2460.732 2456.98 2460.65 We should assume a n assume a non-linguistic user . 2460.65 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2462.861 2476.035 2462.92 2475.96 But I think probably for us , like in developing it , it would be interesting . Yeah , so um I'll try the red green blue . Wha what's does anyone know what this hue and saturation thing , like what that no , nobody's done much colour work . 2463.97 2464.84 2465.96 2466.16 2469.57 2472.45 2474.77 2475.96 EN2001d A FEO066 0 2465.127 2465.535 2465.19 2465.46 Mm-hmm . 2465.46 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2476.054 2478.165 2476.07 2478.165 Well , I don't know how to do it in Java . But 2476.6 2477.86 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2478.739 2481.366 2478.88 2481.366 Oh actually it's not a problem of doing it . Like I think it's 2480.46 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2480.772 2489.248 2481.13 2489.12 The trouble is that hue isn't a very sensible scale . Like it comes up to like red two or three times and stuff like that . 2484.15 2489.12 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2487.836 2496.737 2487.92 2496.737 Okay . Okay , well I guess I'll just take a look at the Photoshop colour cube or whatever it is , GIMP colour cube , and look at 2490.04 2490.41 2493.69 2494.56 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2499.581 2502.842 2499.66 2502.75 Or you could just split it into two blocks , I suppose , for now . 2501.72 2502.32 2502.75 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2504.137 2507.023 2504.3 2506.75 Yeah . Yeah . 2506.51 2506.75 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2513.066 2528.745 2513.19 2528.6 'Kay , so we'll produce a version of this which opens up with a dialogue box um where you can select a file ? Is that right , Dave ? Would we be able to do that ? And and then you'll get this type of display with that file . 2513.35 2521.32 2521.82 2522.12 2523.55 2528.6 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2521.92 2522.62 2522.15 2522.5 Yeah . 2522.5 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2531.28 2538.641 2531.3 2538.58 And that's uh at the moment are w so are we are we still talking about using that one meeting that everyone is using now ? Are talk about swat swi swapping now ? Switching . 2535.84 2538.05 2538.58 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2537.721 2542.836 2537.81 2542.76 Well there's no reason why it can't swap meetings at the moment if the data's there for it . 2542.76 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2544.71 2549.897 2544.86 2549.897 Yeah . So everyone should produce stuff for the whole corpus now ? Or 2546.53 2549.44 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2549.449 2553.306 2549.57 2553.27 Yeah , that's most sensible way to do it , I think . 2550.46 2552.86 2553.27 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2551.488 2552.196 2551.64 2552.04 Okay . 2552.04 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2553.968 2554.56 2553.99 2554.44 Okay . 2554.44 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2556.537 2563.008 2556.57 2562.91 We need the explicit information about each meeting then . Like sorta whi from which utterance which utterance it goes and stuff . 2559.91 2562.91 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2563.431 2571.37 2563.52 2571.24 Yeah , that's well , it's not reading that in yet , but that will be part of the data manager as well . Like there's access classes all defined for that . 2563.77 2564.55 2566.0 2569.07 2571.24 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2569.008 2573.429 2569.06 2573.429 Is anyone is anyone providing that at the moment ? I didn't does any 2572.55 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2572.88 2574.132 2572.9 2574.06 Yeah , it's in your file , isn't it ? 2573.0 2573.72 2574.06 EN2001d E MEE068 4 2575.296 2576.666 2575.32 2576.53 Mm . Yeah . 2576.26 2576.53 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2577.159 2580.028 2577.21 2579.91 'Cause each utterance has got an I_D_ associated with it . 2579.91 EN2001d E MEE068 4 2579.949 2580.307 2579.99 2580.21 Yeah . 2580.21 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2580.299 2582.111 2580.41 2581.93 Okay . Okay . 2581.58 2581.93 EN2001d A FEO066 0 2581.492 2599.067 2581.57 2598.95 Okay . Couldn't we couldn't we write one programme that calculates all the um f for all our different contributions to the importance measure the um a absolute um dialogue act numbers for the meeting . 2581.83 2598.95 EN2001d A FEO066 0 2600.989 2606.595 2601.01 2606.52 Because at the moment we all produce the numbers for each meeting separately . 2606.52 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2600.992 2601.817 2601.02 2601.67 I don't know . 2601.67 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2607.286 2607.926 2607.32 2607.926 Well if you - EN2001d D MEE067 3 2607.331 2612.32 2607.42 2612.24 So just keep yeah , just enumerate up for the next number . Three . 2609.09 2611.84 2612.24 EN2001d A FEO066 0 2613.248 2626.522 2613.31 2626.522 Yeah , but we should all use the same programme , I think . Would prevent us from having too much mistakes in it . Or at least uh the mistakes would be consistent . 2613.49 2616.22 2617.34 2622.73 2626.41 EN2001d E MEE068 4 2615.877 2616.251 2615.94 2616.15 Hmm . 2616.15 EN2001d E MEE068 4 2625.408 2627.073 2625.43 2627.02 Yeah , we should be consistent , yeah . 2625.61 2626.81 2627.02 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2643.997 2645.104 2644.11 2645.03 Yeah , I'm not sure about 2644.24 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2646.4 2646.794 2646.42 2646.71 that . 2646.71 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2648.455 2653.664 2648.55 2653.54 As in I just don't understand much about how difficult it is to do to do different things . 2653.54 EN2001d A FEO066 0 2654.928 2656.928 2655.0 2656.928 No , it's not really difficult . It's just 2655.13 2656.52 EN2001d A FEO066 0 2664.928 2676.592 2664.95 2676.56 Yeah , I mean I can do it . I can read in the different um importance measures and then re re-calculate the numbers . 2665.15 2665.94 2676.56 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2672.615 2674.419 2672.72 2674.34 Well as l as long as yeah . 2674.34 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2677.312 2683.093 2677.34 2682.96 As long as everything's in the right order , it shouldn't like we should even be able to just I_D_ it when we're reading it in . 2678.98 2682.96 EN2001d C FEO065 2 2683.504 2699.504 2683.8 2699.37 But we have got the index um for converting from Vera's I_D_s to to yours . So it shouldn't be a problem , should it . Yeah , I've done that for the correlation as well . So that's what that was quite easy to do . 2690.29 2691.69 2692.92 2693.2 2696.6 2699.37 EN2001d E MEE068 4 2690.796 2693.233 2690.82 2693.18 Hmm . Yeah , it should be easy to do , yeah . 2691.75 2691.91 2692.96 2693.18 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2693.294 2693.984 2693.36 2693.71 Hmm . 2693.71 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2701.92 2702.785 2702.07 2702.54 'Kay . 2702.54 EN2001d C FEO065 2 2702.208 2705.494 2702.23 2705.38 Have you got that for no , it's just for one meeting at the moment . 2703.86 2705.38 EN2001d E MEE068 4 2705.712 2709.086 2705.73 2709.0 Yeah , I've got the indexes for all the meetings I think . Yeah . 2705.83 2708.8 2709.0 EN2001d C FEO065 2 2707.504 2708.545 2707.52 2708.42 Oh okay , sure . 2708.09 2708.42 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2714.784 2720.282 2714.81 2720.282 Yeah , so if we email out a script on how to like f load it 2715.06 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2722.56 2737.52 2722.58 2737.47 Um so yours would always like yours would always be loaded in , I guess . Like you y there would only be one version of your data , and you can just override that version if you want . But you wouldn't have a file open dialogue box for that then . 2727.79 2729.94 2732.2 2734.63 2737.47 EN2001d E MEE068 4 2738.448 2739.339 2738.47 2739.25 No , I don't think so . 2738.71 2739.25 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2740.288 2760.528 2740.33 2760.48 Well that's what I meant is it's a bit pointless having it as file open 'cause it will be opening those files all the time . It's more sensible to have it as an option and the location of them . Or just so you can configure the the location of all the files as an option . But when it starts up it should just read them from the default place . 2747.61 2752.03 2756.83 2760.48 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2750.14 2751.861 2750.17 2751.72 Well what would the option be ? 2751.72 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2761.865 2773.799 2761.91 2773.799 Okay , but like so make it an option which one it displays or which one it uses for the summarisation or 'cause it 'cause I was just thinking sort of so that both Jasmine and Vera could um see their data working and 2762.22 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2767.685 2769.11 2767.78 2768.87 Yeah , that makes sense . 2768.04 2768.87 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2773.168 2787.58 2773.36 2787.48 Oh , of course t there's no reason why we can't make a development version that displays both , has two win utterance windows and uh two graphical displays . I mean obviously you it'd have to pick which one to synch the clock to . 2773.58 2779.17 2784.4 2787.48 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2787.832 2789.84 2788.06 2789.69 Mm is that not getting too much ? 2789.69 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2790.624 2793.561 2790.64 2793.47 To add another dialogue act window is really easy . 2793.47 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2798.28 2802.352 2798.33 2802.28 So we would have like each of those components for - EN2001d B MEO069 1 2804.27 2806.648 2804.32 2806.58 for Jasmine and Vera . Yeah , I know . 2806.32 2806.44 2806.58 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2805.504 2826.096 2805.63 2826.06 Oh like say if you could make a um change to your thing so it could display uh like it in two halves . So like the top half one , the bottom half the other . Or maybe three actually . Maybe top half one , bottom half the other and the third one an average that we can change the parameters for . 2813.12 2814.47 2816.86 2818.83 2820.11 2826.06 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2813.825 2815.879 2813.97 2815.73 Yeah . Yeah . 2815.51 2815.73 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2826.735 2827.5 2826.92 2827.31 Mm-hmm . 2827.31 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2830.766 2835.366 2830.83 2835.2 And then yeah , I could easily make it throw out three different dialogue acts . 2831.56 2835.2 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2836.185 2842.395 2836.31 2842.395 But would that not require three clocks and I but that but but that also means - EN2001d D MEE067 3 2839.374 2843.806 2839.48 2843.73 No , I'd just have two of them not synched up because it's just for evaluating the data . 2839.76 2843.73 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2844.524 2854.672 2845.6 2854.64 Okay . 'Cause the dialogue uh the display also gets the information about like the relative and the absolute times . So that would be convenient if that just if there's just one of that , 'cause otherwise it's getting messy . 2846.33 2850.94 2853.44 2854.64 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2855.872 2862.0 2855.89 2862.0 Oh right , yeah , I see what you mean . Oh no , no , it's still good , because um 2856.32 2856.5 2859.95 2860.26 2860.45 2861.11 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2856.624 2859.785 2856.71 2859.785 So why don't we just make a swap ins why don't we make a switch instead , like 2859.51 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2864.704 2867.769 2864.72 2867.55 Oh no , it isn't . Yeah , I know what you mean . 2865.06 2866.44 2866.83 2867.55 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2865.696 2869.634 2865.82 2869.6 I don't wanna do like three like three internal time-scales so that's just getting messy . 2869.6 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2869.0 2869.648 2869.08 2869.61 Yeah . 2869.61 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2873.293 2885.263 2873.52 2885.14 Well I guess really I mean like alternatively why don't we go for the simplest thing and just create three scripts or two scripts which load a parameter uh f common line parameter , which is which file to load , and and then it's just there . 2882.62 2883.77 2885.14 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2879.007 2879.984 2879.07 2879.88 Yeah , I suppose . 2879.37 2879.88 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2885.088 2901.323 2885.27 2901.18 No , hold on , you it wouldn't need three internal time scales , 'cause only one's synched to the clock or it c and the others are all absolute real time , aren't they . That's what's displayed on that , the bar , is real time , isn't it . So they would all be in the same time scale . 2885.41 2885.78 2888.07 2893.56 2894.38 2896.33 2896.91 2897.58 2899.33 2901.18 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2889.805 2890.448 2889.86 2890.29 Okay . 2890.29 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2898.13 2898.803 2898.32 2898.74 Yep . 2898.74 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2901.966 2903.68 2902.0 2903.68 Okay . Would the others 2902.69 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2906.8 2910.832 2906.82 2910.74 Oh you oh you just have three summarisers , and then they're all synched up with one clock . 2908.65 2910.74 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2910.976 2915.077 2911.0 2915.02 No no , only one of them synchs , and two of them are just yeah . 2911.29 2913.23 2915.02 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2912.735 2915.221 2912.79 2915.19 Okay , the other one is just a static dialogue acts box . 2913.11 2915.19 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2916.928 2921.728 2916.95 2921.65 'Cause it doesn't really matter . They synch up for the purpose of evaluating the data . 2918.01 2921.65 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2920.895 2927.62 2920.99 2927.62 Okay . Okay . Yep . So we have three colour displays . Like three or 2922.17 2924.34 2924.67 2926.4 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2927.328 2930.348 2927.45 2930.09 Yeah . I mean not in the final version , just for now . 2928.03 2929.28 2930.09 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2929.325 2937.758 2929.41 2937.6 No no , sure . Or maybe just start with just two like without even combining them in any sophisticated way . Just just two . Yep . 2929.74 2930.08 2933.78 2937.38 2937.6 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2934.64 2935.072 2934.66 2935.01 Yeah . 2935.01 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2941.832 2945.593 2941.88 2945.52 'Kay , shall we wrap that up ? Sor sorry , I'm imposing . 2942.02 2943.21 2944.1 2945.52 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2946.784 2951.456 2946.8 2951.42 How easy would it be to make it so you can add arbitrary numbers of them do you think ? 2951.42 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2952.172 2953.712 2952.29 2953.49 You mean discontinuous ? 2953.49 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2953.575 2956.685 2953.62 2956.58 No , like uh different measures to the display . 2953.94 2956.58 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2958.073 2969.305 2958.073 2969.22 If I have to do it f like flexibly , then I probably then it will not be significantly more difficult . But is it worth any effort though I mean ? 2961.84 2967.23 2969.22 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2968.634 2972.584 2968.7 2972.48 Well that's the thing , if it's gonna take more than like an hour or something , it's not worth it . 2969.3 2971.71 2972.48 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2974.512 2992.982 2974.54 2992.982 'Cause we'll never have more than two and we'll never ha well , we'll either have one or two . So in the end 'cause you don't have different versions of well , I guess you probably would have . But then also we'd have to find more sophisticated ways of loading it , specifying the parameters . So that might 2976.76 2977.91 2981.33 2986.69 2990.65 2991.96 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2976.394 2976.976 2976.45 2976.9 Yeah . 2976.9 EN2001d A FEO066 0 2984.343 2985.407 2984.54 2985.407 Mm . 2984.74 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2990.103 2990.652 2990.25 2990.55 Mm . 2990.55 EN2001d D MEE067 3 2992.568 2997.191 2992.6 2997.1 But that's easy 'cause mine can take uh any number of parameters . 2997.1 EN2001d B MEO069 1 2997.341 3006.088 2997.47 3005.89 Yeah , but that we wouldn't so we'd have to have some dialogue box for opening stuff . It might be it might take half an hour in the display and not more than that . 2997.67 3003.05 3005.89 EN2001d D MEE067 3 3006.265 3015.804 3006.38 3015.67 Mine , I'll need to make a minor addition to the data manager and the summariser . But it's more or less ready to go with that . 3006.84 3012.96 3015.67 EN2001d B MEO069 1 3012.343 3013.158 3012.6 3013.06 Hmm . 3013.06 EN2001d B MEO069 1 3015.215 3018.391 3015.29 3018.36 But it might actu I think it might not really be worth it to be honest . 3018.36 EN2001d B MEO069 1 3024.949 3051.796 3025.06 3051.71 Let's work on the other stuff first , like the other stuff , and just provide like something where each of them just if if there's uh a Jasmine script and a Vera script and they each can load their stuff and see their data in in the thing . They ca they each can see it summarised by their data , and the other one is the static one . That should be fairly easy to do , right ? If I just double the display and you make a uh like a non-synched up second dialogue acts . 3026.37 3027.3 3039.35 3042.44 3045.57 3046.62 3046.96 3051.71 EN2001d D MEE067 3 3044.508 3045.048 3044.57 3044.97 Okay . 3044.97 EN2001d D MEE067 3 3046.462 3046.911 3046.66 3046.85 Yep . 3046.85 EN2001d D MEE067 3 3049.225 3049.749 3049.31 3049.62 Mm-hmm . 3049.62 EN2001d D MEE067 3 3053.28 3054.579 3053.43 3054.47 Yeah , should be easy . 3053.68 3054.47 EN2001d B MEO069 1 3053.383 3060.526 3053.44 3060.35 And yeah , and then they can tune , fine-tune their measures . 3055.45 3058.39 3060.35 EN2001d B MEO069 1 3066.017 3079.968 3066.11 3079.81 I think it would be cool if we could check the NITE clock f code or whatever code it is for this component and see if we can access those rate things and and do something useful with them and get notified when they change and stuff . 3079.81 EN2001d D MEE067 3 3080.336 3090.555 3080.47 3090.36 We could just make that rate be something completely different , just disconnect it from whatever it's doing , and then have that set the length of the summary or something like that . 3084.1 3087.41 3090.36 EN2001d B MEO069 1 3087.16 3087.852 3087.22 3087.852 Yeah , I think 3087.41 EN2001d B MEO069 1 3089.981 3112.581 3090.06 3112.52 Yeah , I think that's what we should do . So the the thing is it's probably an easy task to read that rate , but it's probably more difficult to get an event automatically when it's changed . So that's why we might have to extend NITE clock and like override the function that react to that . Or like the rate is probably a property , which in the worst case we'd have to set public , but if we wanna react to it being changed automatically , we might have to . 3090.25 3091.32 3095.72 3099.05 3103.02 3105.48 3108.0 3111.65 3112.52 EN2001d D MEE067 3 3103.696 3104.293 3103.83 3104.14 Mm . 3104.14 EN2001d D MEE067 3 3111.996 3124.458 3112.15 3124.42 Well it doesn't it doesn't react to it being changed automatically . It only reacts when you press play at the moment . So you have to stop it and start it to make any effect . 3115.66 3121.38 3124.42 EN2001d B MEO069 1 3118.112 3133.744 3118.112 3133.65 Okay . So they haven't sp okay . Yeah , so it shouldn't like even if to even if uh if we have to extend NITE clock , I mean it should just be a matter of changing one single method in it . 3120.81 3125.72 3125.95 3129.46 3133.65 EN2001d D MEE067 3 3133.127 3133.676 3133.26 3133.59 Mm . 3133.59 EN2001d D MEE067 3 3135.12 3142.217 3135.18 3142.18 Yeah , I mean just disconnect it from whatever it sends the media player and connect it up to our summarisers . That makes different length summaries . 3135.38 3140.69 3142.18 EN2001d B MEO069 1 3135.87 3136.369 3136.01 3136.33 Yeah . 3136.33 EN2001d B MEO069 1 3138.336 3138.77 3138.36 3138.7 Yeah . 3138.7 EN2001d B MEO069 1 3142.485 3142.975 3142.57 3142.91 Yeah . 3142.91 EN2001d D MEE067 3 3144.112 3162.272 3144.13 3162.24 'Cause like we could make that not even have like a a real sort of meaning , just put like max and min . And the user can just like set it in-between wherever they want the uh without actually telling them what it actually means if you see what I mean . 3151.43 3153.8 3162.24 EN2001d B MEO069 1 3153.328 3153.887 3153.35 3153.85 Hmm . 3153.85 EN2001d B MEO069 1 3159.775 3177.936 3159.93 3177.87 Yep . Yeah . Yep . And we could justify all sorts of stuff like that by r in the presentation by saying we deliberately tried to keep any complexity and numbers and stuff away from people . I think that's sort of a line we should go by in general , sort of saying yeah , we could've done oh so many th 3161.31 3162.8 3163.83 3173.66 3175.93 3176.68 EN2001d D MEE067 3 3170.547 3171.063 3170.63 3171.02 Yeah . 3171.02 EN2001d D MEE067 3 3176.638 3180.72 3176.81 3180.72 We should certainly take away the labels that say minus four times as well . 3180.64 EN2001d D MEE067 3 3182.144 3184.048 3182.22 3183.98 'Cause that's incredibly unintuitive . 3183.98 EN2001d B MEO069 1 3182.783 3202.918 3182.783 3202.77 We don't wanna confuse people . We give people something simple and colourful where something is moving and where they don't have to l deal with any numbers or text or anything like that for that matter . In fact that's why we've given you a picture of a dog sitting in a field instead of a meeting browser . It is nice and it calms people down . 3186.13 3193.66 3201.05 3202.77 EN2001d C FEO065 2 3204.432 3214.064 3204.7 3214.03 So what kind of change will you impose on the summarisation ? Because if we fine-tune uh um according to that and it's not finished , it's n doesn't make any sense . 3207.82 3212.19 3214.03 EN2001d D MEE067 3 3210.57 3211.278 3210.6 3211.278 Well - EN2001d D MEE067 3 3214.416 3230.893 3214.44 3230.8 But it won't make any huge changes , like it'll always have the ef the ability to read the original ones . But it might be quite cool to have a combined measure . Like just a weighted average is probably the most sensible way to about it and possibly thresholding it . 3217.09 3220.92 3223.93 3230.8 EN2001d C FEO065 2 3216.903 3217.551 3216.95 3217.44 Okay . 3217.44 EN2001d C FEO065 2 3220.784 3221.113 3220.8 3221.02 Right . 3221.02 EN2001d C FEO065 2 3222.976 3223.393 3223.0 3223.3 Uh-huh . 3223.3 EN2001d B MEO069 1 3225.576 3226.482 3225.6 3226.45 Hmm . 3226.45 EN2001d C FEO065 2 3227.12 3227.581 3227.2 3227.48 Okay . 3227.48 EN2001d C FEO065 2 3231.264 3237.071 3231.47 3237.01 So you at the moment you have got a threshold and everything that's above it is displayed . Or how do you d 3236.01 EN2001d D MEE067 3 3236.336 3240.873 3236.36 3240.79 No , it just takes the top like twenty or fifty or however many . 3236.59 3240.79 EN2001d C FEO065 2 3239.744 3243.712 3239.76 3243.6 Yeah , so it's some kind of threshold that is set , okay . 3239.94 3243.35 3243.6 EN2001d B MEO069 1 3242.064 3242.768 3242.2 3242.73 Yeah . 3242.73 EN2001d D MEE067 3 3242.688 3243.104 3242.71 3243.07 Yeah . 3243.07 EN2001d B MEO069 1 3251.977 3252.651 3252.11 3252.31 Yeah . 3252.31 EN2001d B MEO069 1 3254.88 3261.363 3254.9 3261.11 Shall we meet in an hour or so , Dave ? I'm probably gonna eat something quick . 3257.37 3258.12 3261.11 EN2001d D MEE067 3 3258.784 3264.362 3258.8 3264.362 Um well I was gonna go to the gym at about three . So 3262.9 EN2001d B MEO069 1 3263.184 3268.849 3263.35 3268.78 Ah okay , I was actually I was planning the same , but we won't get so much done before three , that's the thing . 3263.73 3265.2 3268.02 3268.78 EN2001d D MEE067 3 3268.331 3279.502 3268.68 3279.41 Or to be honest , like it's much quicker for me to get stuff done on my own . It'd make more sense for us to divide up spend a couple of hours dividing up tasks and then do them separately . 3269.9 3272.81 3279.41 EN2001d B MEO069 1 3280.124 3285.83 3280.25 3285.63 'Kay listen , so why don't we meet after three then , because then I can like until three make sure that I have all the display c 3280.71 3282.34 EN2001d D MEE067 3 3285.237 3290.23 3285.31 3290.11 Well it'll be after four then . 'Cause I'm gonna go at three . The gym . 3287.64 3289.62 3290.11 EN2001d B MEO069 1 3288.99 3303.189 3289.1 3303.189 Yeah , sure , yeah . S oh so we could meet at five and I have the display code ready by then , which does the stuff like like having a bar where the position is and stuff . And 3289.31 3289.65 3290.7 3295.66 3302.61 EN2001d D MEE067 3 3301.808 3305.94 3301.96 3305.86 Okay . So meet say five till seven , that should be enough time . 3302.91 3304.84 3305.86 EN2001d B MEO069 1 3306.001 3306.874 3306.1 3306.75 Yeah . 3306.75 EN2001d D MEE067 3 3309.158 3322.919 3309.22 3322.75 Because yeah , it's much quicker if we're both working separately , I think . 'Cause when we've been working together like I've just not got a lot done . And like when I go home I'll spend like the same amount of time and get loads done if you see what I mean . 3309.72 3311.97 3313.2 3317.64 3322.75 EN2001d B MEO069 1 3316.768 3317.744 3316.8 3317.56 Yeah , that's true . 3317.07 3317.56 EN2001d B MEO069 1 3321.859 3335.123 3321.94 3334.83 Yeah . Yeah , so we can meet in five in Apple at five in Appleton tower and just work on so I'll I'll have my displ I'll make sure that my display does all the stuff we've been talking about un until then . 3323.58 3323.8 3334.83 EN2001d D MEE067 3 3332.573 3333.745 3332.68 3333.63 Yeah , okay . 3333.2 3333.63 EN2001d B MEO069 1 3336.688 3338.896 3336.71 3338.83 And then we'll put those things together . 3338.83 EN2001d D MEE067 3 3339.391 3339.932 3339.45 3339.83 Okay . 3339.83 EN2001d E MEE068 4 3341.184 3349.443 3341.21 3349.4 Yeah , I'll be working on the search , I think . It's ready to get started . Yeah , I may as well come and you can show me how it the manager works . 3341.53 3342.9 3343.44 3346.18 3346.41 3349.4 EN2001d D MEE067 3 3344.034 3346.171 3344.11 3346.1 So you're gonna be up there as well then ? 3346.1 EN2001d E MEE068 4 3351.216 3351.85 3351.25 3351.71 Yeah . 3351.71 EN2001d B MEO069 1 3355.36 3362.064 3355.4 3362.03 Yeah . But I mean like we we should discuss together which w like how the the search interacts with the rest . 3356.16 3362.03 EN2001d B MEO069 1 3363.392 3366.469 3363.44 3366.4 So that's not something that Colin should just do in his own . 3366.4 EN2001e D MEE067 3 0.0 1.184 0.02 1.08 Sixteen times zero . 1.08 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1.104 57.2 1.12 57.2 I'm not a hundred percent sure , but I'm not having crashes at the moment . So what I'm having is so we we had a we had a long problem about not finding out why the time synching up between the relative time in in a in a sort of in a in a summarised section and the absolute time didn't correspond and stuff , and we found it was some stupid well , at the moment our best guess is that it was some stupid Java thing about if you if you actually if you have two objects and you say object if you say A_ equals B_ , they actually reference to the same thing . So any changes you make to one are made to the other , and if you do that around five corners , you lose track of it and you suddenly wonder why that value is zero . And it turns out it is zero because it's the same thing that you anyway uh So we figured out it's interesting , why don't I have a screen here now actually that's new , but that's okay . It's doing different things all the time . Like this is the first time that actually the but uh uh that should be okay that should be okay . I'll I'll be able to 2.02 4.33 20.91 23.45 31.36 33.89 36.23 37.55 40.64 47.14 49.2 50.83 52.05 56.13 EN2001e A FEO066 0 33.792 35.035 33.792 34.76 Yeah . 34.76 EN2001e B MEO069 1 63.904 82.192 63.95 82.16 Yeah , but last time I pressed that key combination , everything went wrong , and I think I'll be able to do it just fine on the screen . So that'll probably keep me from pointing on my screen , which I usually it might just be at this point . Like there's sometimes a point to loading , not usually that long . Well , let's see . Anyway , so n uh let's just see what happens . 64.25 65.74 66.36 68.53 71.03 74.82 76.45 77.58 77.72 79.21 79.61 82.16 EN2001e B MEO069 1 83.805 86.544 83.9 86.42 In the end we did get it working before . 86.42 EN2001e B MEO069 1 88.336 93.399 88.57 93.34 Oh see I get Yeah . Yeah . 92.47 93.34 EN2001e B MEO069 1 97.921 100.55 98.1 100.55 Ah , so now I'm having a complete mess of like split 98.34 EN2001e B MEO069 1 103.259 118.847 103.28 118.3 split screens and stuff . I think last time yes , but that's not what we want , is it ? So but I think if I this is a log out command and usually it resets this Amazing strange colour combinations I see in front of me at the moment . 104.6 107.17 108.15 108.94 118.3 EN2001e B MEO069 1 123.056 128.22 123.09 128.22 Yeah , we somehow always get it working , but in different ways every time . Um 123.24 124.74 127.62 EN2001e B MEO069 1 132.195 161.496 132.27 161.44 So that kept us like basically from doing anything else product qu for quite some time in the last days because we were um hunting down that stupid error . I got it fixed in the last whatever one hour or something , but so at the moment the program is sort of in between working and not working because we've done lots of changes to what the error was . Dave , I think actually that the summary at the current moment isn't working a hundred percent correct . But that could be because of the input data . It seems to just take the first utterances more or less . 140.61 144.1 150.84 151.11 155.76 158.07 161.44 EN2001e D MEE067 3 161.574 163.264 161.64 163.21 Does it ? I have to check that out . 162.07 163.21 EN2001e A FEO066 0 162.362 162.896 162.44 162.83 Yeah . 162.83 EN2001e B MEO069 1 163.76 175.68 163.78 175.61 Like if you if you first if you read through the summaries , they read suspiciously fluent , like as in people's questions and answers . And then if you plot them on the screen where where they are at the moment , they seem to o 166.84 168.76 170.89 174.82 EN2001e D MEE067 3 169.52 169.948 169.54 169.87 Hmm . 169.87 EN2001e D MEE067 3 174.861 186.565 174.88 186.52 It depends which data you use as well because um if you use the data where they're all really high , it does prefer ones from the beginning because it just picks the first ones it finds . 182.35 186.52 EN2001e B MEO069 1 184.576 189.581 184.66 189.45 Yes . So maybe that's where the problem is coming from . 187.31 189.45 EN2001e D MEE067 3 189.359 190.723 189.38 190.59 But I'll check it out anyway . 190.59 EN2001e B MEO069 1 191.093 193.28 191.18 193.28 Yeah . Um 191.86 EN2001e B MEO069 1 195.427 201.627 195.47 201.627 So this is when you start shifting around your laptop to think that it gets somehow less sloped on the screen . Um 200.75 EN2001e B MEO069 1 206.128 233.663 206.15 233.59 So I'm not really sure what this meeting is about to be honest . Um I'm I'm gonna show this , just what we have at the moment but it not gonna look very different from what we had last time . Don't ask him what happened to the promise that you'll get your script where you can use your own stuff because actually that was sort of ready but then we sort started trying to get something more working and then we got into big problems . So at the moment I mean again we should be at a state where people can load their own sc okay . 209.34 210.95 216.86 227.54 233.59 EN2001e D MEE067 3 230.704 237.232 230.72 237.19 Yeah . I've got time now . Like um for the next couple of days I'll do some on it , 'cause I was just too busy last week . 231.39 232.71 235.58 237.19 EN2001e B MEO069 1 234.96 235.523 235.15 235.49 Yeah . 235.49 EN2001e B MEO069 1 237.457 255.68 237.52 255.68 Thing is a at the moment it's just really bad for me . But from Monday on I can just do twenty four seven for this one until it until it's due . But until Monday it's gonna be really bad . Like I can probably help people if they have problems with getting getting what we have running now . But 240.99 247.11 248.95 253.0 EN2001e B MEO069 1 257.022 257.618 257.04 257.58 Okay . 257.58 EN2001e B MEO069 1 259.407 263.879 259.54 263.79 So I'll just start it up what we have now and then we can talk about what different people have and stuff . 263.79 EN2001e D MEE067 3 269.92 271.92 270.02 271.84 What's that that's creeping over the other screen ? 271.84 EN2001e E MEE068 4 271.44 275.424 271.46 275.424 I know . Doesn't look great , does it ? 272.57 273.25 275.29 EN2001e B MEO069 1 272.096 272.656 272.12 272.58 Huh ? 272.58 EN2001e B MEO069 1 275.552 276.432 275.57 276.07 Eek . 276.07 EN2001e B MEO069 1 277.808 278.857 277.98 278.71 Yeah , it doesn't . 278.21 278.71 EN2001e B MEO069 1 280.679 286.119 280.7 286.04 But sometimes you have to take whatever you get and then just see how far that gets you . 286.04 EN2001e D MEE067 3 288.0 290.441 288.02 290.35 That's really weird 'cause it's just started creeping over . 290.35 EN2001e A FEO066 0 292.933 332.206 292.95 331.96 Yeah , uh so let's perhaps uh in the meantime talk about the um um numbers we assign to the dialogue acts because um yeah , I didn't know that you left out those who don't have words . So I just extracted the actual dialogue numbers , and the problem is um it's perhaps more um dangerous to get mistaken with all those numbers and not knowing why things happen if we just devote numbers and n make new uh n n 293.34 304.38 309.85 313.22 EN2001e E MEE068 4 304.88 305.387 304.98 305.17 Uh-uh . 305.17 EN2001e D MEE067 3 330.512 335.63 330.53 335.51 Um well as long as the two correspond then it's fine . 335.51 EN2001e A FEO066 0 335.968 372.17 335.99 372.03 Yeah sure , but I mean for all those measures that are based on words um I can automatically just throw those where it's nothing . But um those dialogues acts um like thirty three in in the first meeting , um they have a duration , even though they don't have a word . Um so for my earl other measures I I get them and I don't I mean I would have to look for every single write a programme that looks for everything a number and does the mapping for that . 336.56 345.79 352.48 354.95 357.51 372.03 EN2001e E MEE068 4 351.976 352.416 352.04 352.35 Mm . 352.35 EN2001e D MEE067 3 358.941 360.247 359.26 360.16 Oh right , I see . 359.92 360.16 EN2001e D MEE067 3 368.546 378.304 368.71 378.21 Okay . So would it be would it be easier if there's a reference file with the actual real I_D_ and the corresponding number ? So 369.89 377.96 EN2001e A FEO066 0 376.845 377.452 376.97 377.35 Yes . 377.35 EN2001e E MEE068 4 377.728 380.816 377.75 380.75 Yeah there is there's index files already . Yeah . 380.39 380.75 EN2001e D MEE067 3 379.768 380.749 379.8 380.68 is there some already ? 380.68 EN2001e A FEO066 0 381.503 382.468 381.55 382.33 Why is that ? 382.33 EN2001e E MEE068 4 382.656 385.849 382.68 385.74 Yeah , in the raw text index directory . 382.83 385.74 EN2001e A FEO066 0 386.161 386.66 386.25 386.48 Mm-hmm . 386.48 EN2001e E MEE068 4 387.104 389.898 387.12 389.83 Yeah , and it uh allows you to map between the different I_D_s . 387.27 389.83 EN2001e D MEE067 3 390.849 392.769 390.87 392.7 So would that solve the problem basically ? 392.7 EN2001e A FEO066 0 393.136 398.974 393.17 398.85 Yeah , I just wanted to uh um why do you think it's necessary at all to do that ? 393.76 398.85 EN2001e D MEE067 3 399.664 403.503 399.68 403.45 Because the whole programme works on them being numbered at the moment . 403.45 EN2001e A FEO066 0 404.368 406.528 404.54 406.528 Yeah , and it's a problem if there's no 404.79 EN2001e D MEE067 3 407.1 414.603 407.13 414.603 Um it'd be a lot of word for really no extra p feature gain at all . 414.48 EN2001e A FEO066 0 412.128 424.176 412.15 424.01 But actually I think there is something in the audio , shouldn't there ? If there's um even though there's not a word , I think in the audio there will be something at that point because it has a duration . 415.65 416.35 418.8 424.01 EN2001e D MEE067 3 426.385 428.464 426.45 428.43 Or do you think it could appear in the summary ? 428.43 EN2001e A FEO066 0 429.952 430.258 429.97 430.15 Hmm ? 430.15 EN2001e D MEE067 3 431.881 436.01 431.98 435.97 Well if it's something in the audio that's just like a noise , then we don't want it . 435.0 435.97 EN2001e E MEE068 4 436.384 442.713 436.57 442.6 Yeah , I guess . 'Cause we can't show it in the display . Yeah , they've been cut out the ones that don't have any words . 436.84 437.55 440.05 440.28 442.6 EN2001e A FEO066 0 437.785 440.064 437.81 439.88 So d you cut it out . 439.88 EN2001e D MEE067 3 438.999 439.581 439.1 439.48 Yeah . 439.48 EN2001e D MEE067 3 440.55 440.974 440.57 440.88 Yeah . 440.88 EN2001e E MEE068 4 444.08 444.735 444.14 444.65 Suppose . 444.65 EN2001e B MEO069 1 445.277 455.73 445.36 455.6 But would that not happen at some sorry , I'm jum jumping in . Would that not happen at summarisation anyway even if they're in the w like with the ones that have no words and then not have really low information density or something ? 446.69 447.83 455.6 EN2001e E MEE068 4 447.981 448.503 448.15 448.39 Huh . 448.39 EN2001e D MEE067 3 458.006 464.093 458.07 463.91 I don't I don't know . You 'cause the thing is it depends if we want to have it display the whole thing at once . 458.92 463.91 EN2001e B MEO069 1 466.33 466.904 466.44 466.67 Hmm . 466.67 EN2001e B MEO069 1 468.896 473.221 468.92 473.17 'Cause you'd reckon that you could leave them in and they would never show up in a summary anyway . 473.17 EN2001e D MEE067 3 472.747 477.683 472.85 477.62 If you left them in hopefully it wouldn't affect the way the programme works . 477.62 EN2001e A FEO066 0 479.536 483.914 479.59 483.914 Yeah , I mean but why do you have a special for those ? It's just 479.76 483.14 EN2001e E MEE068 4 479.742 480.748 479.79 480.68 No , I guess not . 480.18 480.68 EN2001e D MEE067 3 482.816 488.099 482.84 488.05 Well I don't in the programme , it's just they're not in the raw text files . 484.08 488.05 EN2001e E MEE068 4 486.517 493.226 486.6 493.226 Hmm . That's just 'cause they would have a blank line in it . Seems a bit stupid . But I can fit 'em back in if 487.37 489.46 491.23 EN2001e A FEO066 0 489.76 490.111 489.78 490.03 Yeah . 490.03 EN2001e A FEO066 0 493.703 497.885 493.75 497.885 Yeah , uh I mean it's just a question I wanted to raise . 494.2 497.72 EN2001e D MEE067 3 495.287 496.135 495.31 496.05 Well either way . 496.05 EN2001e E MEE068 4 497.621 498.103 497.66 497.93 Yeah . 497.93 EN2001e D MEE067 3 497.682 507.161 497.73 507.12 Either way is fine by me as long as the two wo things um tie up . As far as I'm concerned it doesn't really matter whether those are in or out . 503.37 507.12 EN2001e B MEO069 1 507.702 527.972 507.72 527.74 We wouldn't you think that if we just write the programme the way that even in the p way that it displays everything , it still leaves those out . Like if we those a special information density I_D_ , or if you just put a spe yeah , something like that . And then just make sure that summary even in the in the most summarised mode just never puts them in . 515.11 516.3 518.61 520.98 521.68 527.74 EN2001e D MEE067 3 519.301 520.906 519.34 520.78 No , minus one or something . 519.51 520.78 EN2001e D MEE067 3 524.633 526.148 524.65 525.97 Yeah , certainly possible . 525.04 525.97 EN2001e C FEO065 2 528.087 534.65 528.11 534.65 It might be a problem for me at the stage right now because I based everything on not having those um - EN2001e B MEO069 1 534.056 534.929 534.3 534.79 Hmm . 534.79 EN2001e D MEE067 3 534.506 537.733 534.62 537.733 Actually yeah , 'cause the T_F_I_D_F_ wouldn't make any sense with 535.17 EN2001e E MEE068 4 534.845 535.881 534.92 535.881 Yeah , it's a cer uh 535.09 EN2001e C FEO065 2 537.257 537.905 537.29 537.81 Yeah . 537.81 EN2001e E MEE068 4 537.28 540.204 537.3 540.02 Yeah , my topic segmenter doesn't like blank lines either . 537.51 540.02 EN2001e C FEO065 2 539.696 541.776 539.76 541.776 Uh what I also - EN2001e D MEE067 3 540.096 542.192 540.12 542.11 So maybe we should just omit them then . 542.11 EN2001e C FEO065 2 543.072 565.987 543.09 565.8 Yeah , what I also did was having two people um annotate the first meeting , and so they didn't annotate the n n uh uh the spaces and everything would mess up . I think if I had spaces for the um new values so when I went to do correlation it wouldn't work anymore . So I don't know . 543.23 549.12 554.75 565.14 565.8 EN2001e E MEE068 4 552.919 553.376 552.96 553.3 Mm . 553.3 EN2001e D MEE067 3 566.512 568.726 566.54 568.62 Okay , so maybe we should leave them out then . 566.8 568.62 EN2001e B MEO069 1 569.728 571.792 569.82 571.67 'Kay , shall we take a quick look at the current sys 570.06 EN2001e A FEO066 0 570.832 571.606 570.87 571.52 Oh okay s - EN2001e C FEO065 2 571.202 589.958 571.27 589.84 Oh what I could do is um work um further with um what I've got now and then just when I have my um um yeah , the final formula ready , I could uh t apply to the new stuff . That would be okay . 583.66 586.42 589.11 589.84 EN2001e A FEO066 0 588.832 603.198 589.17 603.198 So um by how did you assign the dialogue act number ? Did you take the one you found in the in the um X_M_L_ file and just , know , put it there ? Or did you 594.25 601.09 601.56 602.29 EN2001e C FEO065 2 598.847 599.695 599.0 599.695 Um - EN2001e C FEO065 2 604.448 609.963 604.63 609.88 No , my um yeah , what my um T_F_I_D_F_ is based on Colin's data . So 604.79 606.12 609.41 EN2001e B MEO069 1 605.028 605.552 605.19 605.43 Sorry . 605.43 EN2001e C FEO065 2 611.36 616.218 611.43 616.14 um I end up with the same . Yeah . 615.68 616.14 EN2001e D MEE067 3 613.292 615.171 613.38 615.01 Oh , it's the bar is working now . 613.58 615.01 EN2001e A FEO066 0 613.416 616.892 613.45 616.85 Okay . Okay , you end up with . Okay . 614.53 614.85 616.48 616.85 EN2001e B MEO069 1 615.712 619.893 615.78 619.893 Yeah , it is actually . It is it is jumping now . Sorry . 615.96 616.65 618.69 619.75 EN2001e E MEE068 4 617.395 618.185 617.47 618.08 Oh yeah , cool . 617.81 618.08 EN2001e E MEE068 4 619.952 621.694 619.97 621.694 Yeah another uh sh issue was that - EN2001e D MEE067 3 620.904 623.889 620.96 623.8 Oh , so the summary is probably okay 'cause it does the job . 621.06 623.8 EN2001e B MEO069 1 623.004 628.222 623.2 628.222 Yeah , it did s it did summarise just now . It's just it's summarising stupidly , but at least it's jumping . Shall 623.43 624.83 626.27 627.89 EN2001e D MEE067 3 625.449 627.753 625.449 627.67 Yeah . 627.67 EN2001e C FEO065 2 627.664 631.624 627.75 631.45 Is it still the old old T_F_I_D_F_ ? Oh , okay . 630.92 631.16 631.45 EN2001e B MEO069 1 629.84 649.691 629.86 649.63 Yes , and in fact at the moment I don't even know which of the two I'm summarising over . Do you know y are w are we um so at the moment the configuration is that word importance file is test three and T_D_I_D_F_ file is test two . I've just I've just switched them around . So I have no clue what we're actually doing at the moment . 630.19 633.68 646.3 647.77 649.63 EN2001e D MEE067 3 634.45 637.078 634.7 636.9 Oh , I can't remember which one it is at the moment . 635.01 636.9 EN2001e E MEE068 4 634.913 656.64 634.98 656.54 Hmm . 656.54 EN2001e D MEE067 3 645.126 656.043 645.56 655.96 Yep , that that those names are mislead well the T_F_I_D_F_ is fine , but word importance is completely misleading , it's not word importance at all . 646.24 652.09 654.42 655.96 EN2001e B MEO069 1 651.68 701.667 651.7 701.29 Yeah , especially since I've just especially s since I've just switched them around anyway . But that's okay . I by the way , I read a paper which makes an important point about combining two things of that type . Um that's basically it's it's t going on about this fancy called geometric mean , which effectively just means multiplying them . But I I have some good f information about different ways how you can sort of weight two different factors , because it's uh like it it's for something very similar . Somebody would try to solve a very similar problem where they also had two factors sort of and they want to weigh them together . And there is like a good justifiable reason um why we should do in a certain way and how we can then with a simple parameter adjust how much one weighs and how much the other weighs . So there is something for just for putting them together in a relatively simple way , but still a way that we can sort of justify . 651.85 657.41 658.15 658.74 663.98 668.15 670.53 679.13 681.22 685.93 694.67 699.31 701.29 EN2001e A FEO066 0 681.758 682.304 681.87 682.12 Mm-hmm . 682.12 EN2001e A FEO066 0 701.552 701.984 701.58 701.82 Mm-hmm . 701.82 EN2001e B MEO069 1 701.667 751.125 702.29 751.125 Um and we can quote stuff on that . Yeah sure , we hmm ? No , it's multiplying them and and like putting them one over the power of something and the other over minus one one minus the power of something , and that's sort of and they they've plotted some graphs about like where they show f like one going from zero to the one and the other going zero to one and like how the how the landscape changes and how i the parameter changes , how it works . So it's quite good . Um so that's probably seeing that we're probably not gonna go into any whatever base blah blah blah Markov model blah blah blah about f combining them , um that's probably what we go at . Now this is still not ideal at the moment , Dave . It's it's sort of it's overrunning the f like it so okay , so at the moment we're that far that if I now click onto a segment , hits 704.84 705.16 706.7 706.84 714.42 723.72 724.54 726.6 737.35 740.27 741.92 742.12 745.13 750.48 EN2001e D MEE067 3 704.717 713.275 704.82 713.14 Is it very complex or is it r oh , just multiplying together . To a power . Yeah . I've seen that before . 708.28 710.06 711.39 712.15 713.14 EN2001e D MEE067 3 718.684 719.241 718.76 719.19 Yeah . 719.19 EN2001e D MEE067 3 725.056 726.874 725.08 726.66 Yeah , I've seen that before actually . 725.3 726.66 EN2001e A FEO066 0 736.752 738.799 736.78 738.799 No . 738.69 EN2001e E MEE068 4 739.814 740.13 739.83 740.01 Hmm . 740.01 EN2001e D MEE067 3 745.093 746.091 745.16 746.091 Yeah . 745.66 EN2001e D MEE067 3 750.344 752.314 750.51 752.22 Ah , it's still working like it should do . 750.81 752.22 EN2001e E MEE068 4 752.544 752.842 752.56 752.71 Hmm . 752.71 EN2001e B MEO069 1 752.689 762.957 752.75 762.82 Yeah , it's just wait , sorry , I just re-sized it a bit . Yeah , so it's j like the values are sort of hard-coded for the screen sizes in DICE and my screen's smaller . 753.14 754.28 754.55 757.74 758.01 762.82 EN2001e A FEO066 0 754.663 758.463 754.663 758.463 Who has that going ? 758.41 EN2001e B MEO069 1 764.836 802.808 764.86 802.808 So let's see , I was a stupid user and was clicking on this segment . We probably have to make the segment lines a lot bigger . So then I h I did I get a new summarisation ? Yeah , I didn't actually see . So let me check a different one . Yeah , so you see it's a different text . And you see it it's running through it . And also you see the indicator in where we are is jumping . So it's it's skipping stuff . Now I don't think the summary at the moment is what we wanted to be seeing the words like oh and mm and exactly , exactly , right , sure . This seems probably sh this is again probably the opposite of what we want . So it's probably some value that you have to like divide by one uh one divide by the value of something . But 766.1 770.73 772.65 774.87 774.96 775.65 777.23 777.39 779.28 781.76 785.16 786.51 791.79 792.19 792.43 793.97 796.69 801.37 EN2001e D MEE067 3 776.891 777.281 776.92 777.18 Yeah . 777.18 EN2001e D MEE067 3 779.291 780.621 779.291 780.5 So it did work . 780.5 EN2001e A FEO066 0 784.72 785.121 784.74 784.95 Yeah . 784.95 EN2001e E MEE068 4 786.61 787.275 786.72 787.11 Oh yeah . 787.11 EN2001e A FEO066 0 789.008 789.841 789.17 789.75 Mm . 789.75 EN2001e D MEE067 3 791.273 796.061 791.33 796.061 Yeah , that that is ancient data though . So 791.59 793.85 EN2001e D MEE067 3 801.939 807.69 802.0 807.5 Having said that , it's picking out some interesting stuff . Like we're looking at atlas , you'd expect to score quite high . 802.52 804.11 805.68 807.5 EN2001e B MEO069 1 806.967 842.182 807.09 842.12 Yes , but also every other word in that sentence we should look at are probably in your list of fifty like list of all important words in the universe . So Yes , but it's probably just because if you look at the other one , like this is just their best sentence for like having function words in a row sort of and every o other I mean this one is sort of the developing a big infrastructure . So maybe it's just doing it randomly at the moment . I don't know . But we have some summary working and that's a good basis to start from . If I promise now that you'll get something where you can put your own data and that's sort of ringing a bit hollow . 807.41 815.13 817.71 819.49 830.37 832.64 833.11 837.57 842.12 EN2001e D MEE067 3 813.839 816.843 813.93 816.66 Yeah , maybe , but atlas , you'd have thought it'd be quite high . 814.37 814.66 815.51 816.66 EN2001e E MEE068 4 825.831 826.363 826.01 826.16 Huh . 826.16 EN2001e D MEE067 3 841.192 850.794 841.29 850.64 I'm just quite surprised it all actually worked , because I've been working it we've been working on like incomplete versions that haven't worked for a long time , and like to see it all come together . 843.38 848.08 850.64 EN2001e B MEO069 1 848.387 865.005 848.56 865.005 Yeah . Yeah , uh still it's uh it it's might be having some problem . I think this one over-ran just before . So we might still have some problem here that it's not stopping at the end , but so Dave , can you make the promise even I'm not making the promise realistically that the girls will very soon get 850.82 850.94 853.28 855.27 858.53 860.19 EN2001e E MEE068 4 848.527 848.935 848.65 848.74 Hmm . 848.74 EN2001e D MEE067 3 864.369 869.538 864.69 869.49 Yeah , I'll do the first thing I'll do is make a load box for selecting a file 864.98 EN2001e B MEO069 1 868.913 870.159 868.96 870.12 Okay , yeah . 869.73 870.12 EN2001e D MEE067 3 871.284 878.202 871.35 878.1 and a script that sets the class path so it can be run with just a script . So p class path is like this long . 876.07 878.1 EN2001e B MEO069 1 874.032 876.611 874.05 876.47 Yeah . S 876.14 EN2001e B MEO069 1 878.496 886.256 878.56 886.1 S so at the moment I've hard-coded it to just um taking one tenth of the number of utterances which were in the original selection . 886.1 EN2001e D MEE067 3 886.946 889.333 886.98 889.25 But we'll have parameter for that . Yeah . 889.02 889.25 EN2001e B MEO069 1 888.576 896.252 888.61 896.252 Yeah . It actually it gives you an error if you put it to twenty , because there's some things in there which are shorter than twenty . And if you select those than it's having an 889.76 891.64 894.47 EN2001e D MEE067 3 893.872 899.658 893.89 899.54 And twenty . Yeah , we need to add some sanity checking in some of the stuff . 895.68 895.96 899.54 EN2001e B MEO069 1 898.572 951.779 898.62 951.74 Yeah . But I think like a b a proportional one is probably not bad idea , that's bl I mean an an absolute length is sort of a bit strange because that means that some utterances will not be changed in length . I know but we had that discussion before and I'm confused myself about what I think about it . So the fact that this is going on beyond that green line here is something that's not ideal , but that's something we have to sort out . But this is working in general . Does anyone have a general overview over the whole time issue , like as in what date is it today , what date do we have to have this presented , what day of the week is that and issues like that . So the presentation is now sh two weeks from today . 'Kay . One week from today I shall hear the freedom ring from the hills and and everything and shall then throw myself into new slavery . 899.9 902.32 907.68 911.91 917.06 919.09 922.16 925.43 929.24 931.62 936.07 942.09 942.74 951.74 EN2001e D MEE067 3 907.868 908.26 907.91 908.12 Yeah . 908.12 EN2001e E MEE068 4 932.315 932.681 932.42 932.51 Hmm . 932.51 EN2001e A FEO066 0 937.235 939.23 937.26 939.15 Presentation is exactly in two weeks . 939.15 EN2001e E MEE068 4 939.152 939.94 939.17 939.94 Yeah . 939.76 EN2001e A FEO066 0 952.864 962.932 953.0 962.932 Um uh and re I think we should start to think about evaluation by now . I mean if you want to have some people 960.42 EN2001e D MEE067 3 962.106 965.989 962.15 965.87 But we don't we don't need it evaluated for the presentation , do we . 965.49 965.87 EN2001e A FEO066 0 965.718 970.84 966.03 970.76 Yeah , but it's just uh three days between the presentation and the yeah . 966.26 970.76 EN2001e E MEE068 4 966.348 967.188 966.43 967.07 But yeah . 967.07 EN2001e D MEE067 3 968.95 974.215 969.04 974.215 Is it ? Oh , 'cause it was moved back , wasn't it . Yeah . 969.48 969.85 970.72 971.25 973.81 EN2001e B MEO069 1 971.04 975.04 971.04 974.94 Ah . No really ? And the report . 971.95 973.89 974.94 EN2001e E MEE068 4 971.129 974.461 971.23 974.41 Yeah . So yeah , I don't know if we're gon 972.0 973.71 EN2001e C FEO065 2 971.273 971.789 971.41 971.59 Hmm . 971.59 EN2001e A FEO066 0 972.832 973.274 972.85 973.16 Yeah . 973.16 EN2001e A FEO066 0 975.152 975.52 975.17 975.41 Yeah . 975.41 EN2001e D MEE067 3 975.789 979.899 976.01 979.83 I can rope people in to to doing it , a few people at least . 978.6 979.83 EN2001e E MEE068 4 981.264 982.571 981.28 982.46 Do you think we're gonna have time ? 982.46 EN2001e A FEO066 0 985.206 989.147 985.34 989.147 Yeah , I think we should ha take the time because I think it will be 985.59 EN2001e D MEE067 3 986.806 995.728 987.05 995.65 As long as we design it as long as we design it before-hand , uh I think we can probably manage to actually do it in the three days after . 990.85 995.65 EN2001e E MEE068 4 997.088 999.202 997.14 999.03 Is it not is it not only two days anyway ? 999.03 EN2001e D MEE067 3 997.167 999.179 997.19 998.91 You're talking about the user evaluation . 998.91 EN2001e A FEO066 0 997.816 1002.144 997.86 1001.68 But we'll also have to write the the thing in that time . 1001.68 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1001.768 1005.453 1002.2 1005.39 Writing the report won't be so bad ? How long is it expected to be ? 1003.79 1005.39 EN2001e A FEO066 0 1005.536 1007.92 1005.56 1007.88 I don't know . But it's fifty percent of the mark . 1006.33 1007.88 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1008.486 1016.262 1008.68 1016.17 I know , but uh if everyone like if everyone is managing three pages for their bit , then that's gonna be that that's a big report then . 1009.14 1013.94 1016.17 EN2001e A FEO066 0 1018.176 1018.555 1018.23 1018.43 No . 1018.43 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1018.271 1022.436 1018.31 1021.72 And stuff . So Yeah , but evaluation . Ah . 1018.91 1020.51 1021.53 1021.72 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1023.506 1027.371 1023.55 1027.34 We should probably write some user documentation 'cause I bet that will get us marks . 1027.34 EN2001e C FEO065 2 1027.71 1028.234 1027.83 1028.09 Yeah . 1028.09 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1028.938 1029.703 1029.0 1029.61 You think ? 1029.61 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1029.914 1035.252 1029.96 1035.14 Yeah , they'd love that kind of stuff . Just we'll just write , you know , little help files or something . 1030.33 1032.47 1033.18 1033.48 1035.14 EN2001e A FEO066 0 1030.096 1030.48 1030.12 1030.32 Yeah . 1030.32 EN2001e C FEO065 2 1030.416 1031.68 1030.44 1031.63 I think so too . 1031.63 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1031.536 1038.768 1031.86 1038.68 We should probably inquire about that or like integrate tool tips that would be visible . 1038.68 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1038.636 1039.152 1038.68 1039.09 Yeah . 1039.09 EN2001e E MEE068 4 1039.12 1040.381 1039.14 1040.25 Yeah , that'd probably be quite good . 1039.31 1040.25 EN2001e E MEE068 4 1047.816 1054.16 1047.88 1054.13 Yeah , I've got a basic search working now . It's g it's got a user interface . So yeah . No . 1048.11 1049.63 1051.76 1053.71 1054.13 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1049.344 1053.088 1049.344 1053.03 Have you Java doc ed it ? 1053.03 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1054.65 1055.792 1054.75 1055.76 And also where is it ? 1055.76 EN2001e E MEE068 4 1056.368 1059.563 1056.39 1059.45 Uh I'm still in my directory , but I I can put it in your directory . 1057.53 1059.45 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1057.52 1064.808 1057.54 1064.73 Okay , 'cause the code version in the group directory is not the right one . Yeah . 1057.91 1064.44 1064.73 EN2001e E MEE068 4 1062.808 1069.085 1062.89 1068.99 Yeah yeah , I've I've not been using that . Yeah . Yeah , I've just been taking the the class files from your directory . 1063.22 1064.47 1065.03 1065.18 1068.99 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1068.976 1069.499 1069.0 1069.46 Okay . 1069.46 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1069.44 1086.325 1069.46 1086.325 Having said that , Dave , we could probably w like if we want , we could probably go back to the c um to the group directory and just use this trick . It really seems to be all about starting in the directory . But I mean if if the two of us are just working on it it doesn't make a difference 'cause I've already mounted your directory now . So And probably 1070.17 1070.4 1072.51 1076.95 1080.34 1084.33 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1078.408 1080.096 1078.408 1080.04 In directory , yeah . 1079.67 1080.04 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1084.87 1091.672 1084.93 1091.6 Okay . Well we should wait till we have it ready for um you guys to use . Then we'll put it back in the group directory . 1085.52 1089.86 1091.6 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1091.652 1092.176 1091.83 1092.09 Mm . 1092.09 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1094.64 1102.679 1094.66 1102.6 So I'll try and do that today . 'Cause I've got time today . And as long as I don't run into problems I don't see it taking too long . 1097.02 1099.16 1102.6 EN2001e C FEO065 2 1107.984 1118.613 1108.02 1118.613 How about the summarisation again , you wanted to base it on sentence length as well , and I've got a sentence length incorporated into my importance measure at the moment . So 1109.75 1113.35 1117.98 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1118.406 1123.493 1118.47 1123.493 Well in that case it it's probably just I mean that's probably fine . I mean 1122.98 EN2001e C FEO065 2 1122.988 1132.123 1123.07 1132.123 Okay . But if we do it twice , it wouldn't make too much sense . Don't know how exactly we will want to implement your 1124.15 1125.24 1127.91 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1126.912 1127.467 1126.93 1127.4 Yeah . 1127.4 EN2001e A FEO066 0 1127.199 1128.979 1127.31 1128.77 Yeah , it would buy us something . 1127.66 1128.77 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1134.496 1139.904 1134.59 1139.904 I'm not sure how much should be done in the programme because uh - EN2001e D MEE067 3 1142.912 1146.939 1143.17 1146.88 I don't know . I think it should probably be done off-line , 1144.89 1146.88 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1147.816 1148.382 1147.92 1148.28 What ? 1148.28 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1148.575 1152.508 1148.62 1152.44 the basic uh combining of all the factors . 1152.44 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1152.031 1177.468 1152.44 1177.468 Well if it's just multiplying to numbers , it can be done in the programme 'cause then we can um because what we could do is have a slide bar where we can adjust this value . Actually if you can figure out a way like how basically a general way because there's at least two points at which we are interested in that . How we can just have a slide bar which we can read and write to , which is in a frame of that type . That would be good . It shouldn't be difficult , should it ? I mean should just be 1154.4 1162.12 1168.99 1173.02 1175.11 1175.58 1176.35 1176.58 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1154.484 1156.673 1154.484 1156.63 Yeah yeah , sure . 1156.26 1156.63 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1176.698 1181.86 1176.82 1181.82 Hopefully we can take over that right one 'cause we don't need it . That'd be quite nice . 1180.94 1181.82 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1180.879 1193.728 1180.99 1193.55 Yeah , but it might be more diffi uh let's see , it you could if you're lucky , you probably have just to extend that class and then you can work with that value , but if you're unlucky it might be quicker to just write a very simple string component which is just the s just a bar . 1181.29 1182.99 1184.92 1187.55 1193.55 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1192.901 1204.77 1193.05 1204.49 I bet you can just uh just add it to the um panel . Like what I bet that's a pre-made Swing component , that little slider , and all you do is add it to a panel . 1198.64 1201.92 1202.78 1204.49 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1204.448 1214.4 1204.47 1214.36 Yeah yeah , yeah . So because we'd basically it would be good to have two different ones to play around with , one for controlling the length of the summary , and another one for 1205.02 1205.74 1209.41 1212.89 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1216.128 1220.836 1216.15 1220.77 um for the merging factor , if we do it that way with the CHI metric . 1218.92 1220.77 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1220.098 1220.705 1220.28 1220.63 Yeah . 1220.63 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1222.709 1226.201 1222.75 1226.11 Can you send me a link to that paper so that I'll implement that in summarizer . 1226.11 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1227.344 1236.482 1227.38 1236.41 Yeah , yeah . It's it's just a single formula effectively , yeah . Um how is the audio thing going ? Is that you've probably not had time to work on that . 1228.03 1228.43 1230.09 1230.84 1234.07 1236.41 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1234.682 1242.307 1234.87 1242.2 Oh , no I've not looked at it . Yeah , like last week I just not done anything . But can't see it taking long again . 1235.15 1236.41 1236.88 1240.1 1242.2 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1244.24 1249.705 1244.26 1249.27 'Kay , it seems that at the moment a lot of the stuff that has to be done at sort of at the moment I'm saying oh Dave , can you do that . So that's not ideal . 1244.37 1247.85 1248.34 1249.27 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1250.67 1259.656 1250.73 1259.656 But to be honest , I did like nothing really on it last week . So And I've got time today , tomorrow and probably Friday . So 1251.61 1253.88 1256.51 1259.19 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1254.848 1255.224 1254.96 1255.14 Oh . 1255.14 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1258.688 1259.313 1258.72 1259.27 Okay . 1259.27 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1266.202 1275.366 1266.28 1275.366 'Cause I think I mean the audio is a v in the end the audio is a very important component of it . Just because it's it's gonna look stupid if we have everything working but just if 1271.4 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1270.492 1271.057 1270.69 1270.93 Mm-hmm . 1270.93 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1275.281 1280.661 1275.44 1280.62 It's just annoying because I need to do that on a DICE machine . So I can't get them to compile under Windows . 1277.98 1280.62 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1281.374 1282.896 1281.53 1282.53 The speech tools . 1282.53 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1282.321 1289.44 1282.37 1289.44 Yeah . And um most the DICE machines don't have working sound cards . So 1284.06 1288.8 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1289.509 1295.829 1289.81 1295.69 Hmm . Is there any way for X_ forwarding sound ? 1292.82 1295.69 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1297.384 1298.157 1297.41 1298.11 No idea . 1298.11 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1298.861 1315.901 1298.97 1315.77 'Cause that would be sort of the nice way to sit at home and have it forward the sound at the lowest bit rate to you . I mean seeing that it's over broad-band it's forwarding the graphics quite okay , it would probably like broad-band-wise , band-width-wise , probably work out . 1306.0 1310.43 1314.04 1314.71 1315.77 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1301.568 1302.115 1301.66 1302.04 Yeah . 1302.04 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1316.496 1321.427 1316.58 1321.35 I'm not sure how it if it if it can do sound or not . I've no idea . 1320.47 1321.35 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1321.008 1324.545 1321.03 1324.43 But it's probably not and uh not a simple thing . 1324.43 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1324.139 1326.393 1324.19 1326.32 But like what I can do is um - EN2001e D MEE067 3 1327.805 1340.759 1327.84 1340.7 I I'm pretty confident that it'll just be writing a script and it will just go . And as long as I can test the script like once and it's working fine , I can just make it return dummy stuff so it works on other machines . 1332.32 1336.81 1340.7 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1337.12 1337.485 1337.19 1337.39 Hmm . 1337.39 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1341.004 1349.571 1341.17 1349.47 Y are you not creating files anywhere , like sort of real files ? So that you can do on a DICE machine independent of w 1343.38 1346.79 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1345.335 1346.241 1345.4 1346.241 Yes . So 1345.81 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1348.906 1351.914 1348.94 1351.914 Oh actually , I know what I can do . I can then 1349.46 1350.89 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1354.336 1367.377 1354.41 1367.24 I can change the script . So if I'm using my one at home , I can just add S_S_H_ stuff in to ev evoke the sound tools on the uh on DICE and then copy 'em back . 1355.56 1356.73 1367.24 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1366.352 1384.448 1366.49 1384.4 Yeah . One problem with S_S_H_ ing in general is that the machine that like on the only gateway machines , they hate you for doing anything on them . And there's no simple way , at least I haven't found one to directly in in a single step sort of S_S_H_ and then S_S_H_ again . 1367.73 1373.71 1376.58 1378.56 1384.4 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1375.744 1376.185 1375.79 1376.12 Yeah . 1376.12 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1385.232 1385.76 1385.26 1385.71 Hmm . 1385.71 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1387.648 1405.853 1387.79 1405.8 Well actually I guess if you put S_S_H_ and you know c you can give a command outright after with S_S_H_ . So if that c command is S_S_H_ again and if you that would require that you have all your key files set correctly , which I haven't , because it always fucks up on my system . Maybe if you get that working , then you should be able to directly go into another machine . 1393.0 1399.8 1400.43 1402.35 1403.66 1405.8 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1395.712 1396.144 1395.73 1396.1 Yeah . 1396.1 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1404.754 1407.648 1404.91 1407.6 I'm sure I can figure out some way to do it anyway . 1407.6 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1407.248 1407.724 1407.47 1407.724 Uh - EN2001e B MEO069 1 1411.536 1412.186 1411.62 1411.99 Yeah . 1411.99 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1413.68 1420.533 1413.76 1420.41 If it comes to it , I'll just um install NetBeans and stuff on my Linux machine and work on that . 1414.7 1420.41 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1420.64 1428.988 1420.66 1428.988 Yeah . 'Cause a p a primitive version of the sound to have relatively soon would be good . I think 1421.31 1428.13 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1428.201 1437.897 1428.27 1437.84 Well that to be honest there won't be a primitive in between stage . just it'll just work hopefully . In theory at least anyway . 1431.92 1436.4 1437.84 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1430.98 1461.936 1431.06 1461.936 Ok okay . Okay . Okay . Okay . Okay , good . So to come back to the problem we had before , so the reason why the summary didn't work well in the last one and works well now is because based on the bottom data the data is so homogeneously high in its imp importance rating that it just sort of then , everything else being equal , it took the first ones more or less . But now it's working better because now it's on a much more evenly distributed 1433.28 1434.31 1435.8 1437.75 1438.21 1439.09 1441.09 1454.84 1455.79 1457.87 EN2001e E MEE068 4 1437.645 1437.953 1437.7 1437.84 Hmm . 1437.84 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1461.915 1475.475 1461.94 1475.38 I wonder if we should um do something like dropping the bottom third , then re-mapping the lowest remaining one to zero and scaling it like that 'cause you get a much nicer distribution like that . 1467.32 1475.38 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1472.693 1473.349 1472.82 1473.349 Well - EN2001e B MEO069 1 1475.623 1492.058 1475.69 1491.93 The most professional way of doing it would be to map them according to the standard deviation 'cause that way it au would automatically always that's sort of like it it's the problem is it's more calculation expensive and slightly more complicated even though it's actually like in terms of calculation it's not much heavier . But like you know generally about standard deviation ? 1489.96 1491.93 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1491.936 1494.133 1492.13 1494.133 Um I've not used it to do that before , but 1493.88 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1493.29 1506.613 1493.4 1506.613 Yeah , it's it's a g it's a very simple simple formu it's basically just whatever , the average of r mean square differences from the mean or something , which the problem with it is that generally you first have to get the mean and only t only once you have the mean you know what 1493.82 1496.58 1500.93 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1499.962 1500.551 1500.09 1500.44 Yeah . 1500.44 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1506.303 1513.512 1506.36 1513.43 There is a way of calculating it um yeah , well calculating it cumulatively , but I can't remember it . 1510.6 1512.5 1513.43 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1509.099 1530.238 1509.15 1530.2 In one go ? Yeah , I've derived that I've derived that myself . Like I didn't find it so I did it myself and it took me a day with the formula . But then I'm slow at maths . So the the good thing about that would be that if you simply say that whatever , one standard deviation below the mean is zero and one standard deviation above the mean is one or two standard deviations or something , then whatever the data is like , it would always normalise . 1510.38 1510.51 1513.66 1516.45 1517.72 1520.98 1527.22 1528.86 1530.2 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1514.992 1515.608 1515.19 1515.54 Yeah . 1515.54 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1529.821 1531.6 1529.91 1531.51 Yeah , that's probably quite a good idea . 1530.29 1531.51 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1531.735 1559.57 1531.91 1559.53 Yeah , it's it's not the simplest . But that like that's the most professional way I can think about it . Y that would indirectly also drop stuff . I mean that would drop whatever is below or above . So if you find that formula , that would be good . Otherwise I can see if I can still understand , like I did it in my programme . It's uh it's really stupid . Like the standard standard deviation formula just requires you to have the mean initially , and that makes some things exactly twice as computationally expensive , and there is a way of doing it cumula cumulatively . 1532.19 1533.25 1536.08 1538.03 1542.28 1543.91 1544.97 1546.91 1547.97 1548.96 1554.03 1557.27 1559.53 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1538.788 1541.985 1538.91 1541.91 Yeah . Yeah , that's probably quite sensible . 1540.38 1540.6 1541.91 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1558.898 1562.457 1558.96 1562.39 Yeah , I can't remember it off-hand , but I know there is one . 1559.4 1561.41 1562.39 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1562.913 1563.57 1563.05 1563.48 Hmm . 1563.48 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1566.698 1571.088 1566.82 1571.02 So yeah , so that's one possible way of doing that . 1568.38 1571.02 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1575.808 1576.841 1576.19 1576.841 So the - EN2001e D MEE067 3 1576.248 1586.78 1576.37 1586.75 But it could be it could be fine , I mean running over the data twice probably is okay . Yeah . 1578.72 1586.43 1586.75 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1583.683 1610.707 1583.75 1610.707 And that's just in the loading stage , right ? Yeah , that should actually be fine , especially in the worst case we just introduce a small hour glass . But anyway , we only we only gonna present this once and we can probably just like sort of start it up before the presentation starts . So if we shouldn't at all be worried about it's actually it's quite beautiful , it's like if you b want a programme only to run once and only a part of it , you don't worry if it crashes afterwards , if it wastes all the resources , if it formats the hard disk in the end . Anyway , I'm rambling on . Um 1585.06 1585.82 1585.93 1586.78 1589.19 1589.58 1596.67 1600.76 1604.29 1605.82 1607.03 1608.92 1609.27 1610.16 EN2001e E MEE068 4 1586.998 1587.439 1587.04 1587.31 Yeah . 1587.31 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1597.157 1597.656 1597.25 1597.54 Mm . 1597.54 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1610.727 1619.79 1610.81 1619.79 Yeah , never closes the process when he does it now . They used to not um close the process when you click the cross . 1611.21 1615.31 1619.71 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1612.563 1612.749 1612.58 1612.61 D - EN2001e B MEO069 1 1612.827 1615.404 1613.07 1615.404 No , it does not it does not if y I changed it . I just 1613.22 1614.87 EN2001e E MEE068 4 1612.894 1613.576 1613.11 1613.28 Hmm . 1613.28 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1617.935 1625.309 1618.05 1625.13 So You would forget that that means that you would start it fifteen times over and have fifteen zombies running . Um 1624.44 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1627.104 1647.321 1627.13 1647.321 does anyone know anything about which DICE machines have sound cards and how to find them ? 'Cause the thing is we can like this at the moment wor is working because it has a sound card . The interesting thing is that because it's structure of this , it isn't enough to just say well if you don't have a sound card , you don't have sound . At least I think that's what I remember our problem was , that 1633.8 1638.78 1641.63 1644.36 1645.05 1647.01 EN2001e A FEO066 0 1632.272 1633.856 1632.272 1633.27 No . 1633.27 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1646.558 1651.721 1646.64 1651.58 Yeah , it refuses to r load the clock for some reason . I don't know why . 1646.88 1650.9 1651.58 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1648.883 1655.682 1648.91 1655.682 Yeah . No . So I've worked around that there is ways I think to get around it , but the problem is 1649.51 1650.86 1654.69 EN2001e A FEO066 0 1649.488 1649.864 1649.51 1649.83 Mm-hmm . 1649.83 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1657.319 1673.636 1657.43 1673.54 So you b you basically we have to we have to have two code versions then , one for sound card and one for non sound card machines to test it on . Um because it you have to change all sorts of other things if you don't have a sound card . So there isn't a simple way to just tell which ones the sound card machines are and just to use sound card machines is there . 1659.77 1663.39 1667.72 1673.54 EN2001e A FEO066 0 1672.211 1683.313 1672.38 1683.19 Uh that really yeah , that makes it really quite difficult for us if we want to test our stuff the first have to fight for our computers without cards . 1674.31 1683.19 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1678.032 1678.704 1678.25 1678.6 We - EN2001e B MEO069 1 1681.873 1691.33 1681.97 1691.33 No , but I guess I mean if you just if you trust in Dave's summary for the audio , just putting all these things into sound then , then having a written summary 1682.25 1686.88 1689.72 EN2001e A FEO066 0 1689.759 1696.519 1689.81 1696.44 Yeah , sure . I mean I yeah yeah , I I just care for the written one . Does that work without the sound cards ? Okay . 1690.06 1690.48 1691.7 1693.29 1696.1 1696.44 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1690.807 1697.788 1690.98 1697.71 Yeah , you still you st yeah , you still get the written one and the display . The only thing you don't get is the clock . 1691.21 1693.67 1696.07 1697.71 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1694.357 1703.008 1694.45 1703.008 Yeah , yeah . So the yeah . Yeah . So I think , Dave , really the easiest way is if you just make a sound card and a non sound card version of it . Because 1695.2 1695.5 1697.82 1698.26 1698.69 1698.89 1702.53 EN2001e A FEO066 0 1698.174 1699.089 1698.26 1699.05 Okay , yeah . 1698.76 1699.05 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1702.81 1705.932 1702.95 1705.75 I don't think we should bother 'cause we'll run it on a sound card version . 1705.75 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1705.672 1709.688 1705.71 1709.688 Yeah , but then that means that the girls can't test it . That's the problem . Like 1705.89 1708.66 1709.38 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1709.309 1714.79 1709.39 1714.58 Th yes they can . All that happens is it refuses to load load the clock . You still get the display in the summary . 1710.11 1712.77 1714.58 EN2001e C FEO065 2 1709.776 1710.532 1709.95 1710.44 We can . 1710.44 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1714.08 1721.401 1714.1 1721.34 Yes , but without the clock you don't have well actually you're right , it doesn't like f it doesn't strictly have to do any movement in it , yeah . 1714.3 1717.88 1720.99 1721.34 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1720.683 1726.209 1720.7 1726.12 So the , yeah , the move uh but you can still click on the segments and that'll still work , won't it ? 1721.14 1721.38 1725.79 1726.12 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1727.002 1742.431 1727.05 1742.431 Yeah , but we have to comment stuff out for that , I think . Like at the moment if you click on a segment , it automatically sets the whole clock thing going and stuff . So we have to comment out stuff . So that's what I'm saying , that there is we could make it that a flag , couldn't we ? We could just make that uh like a run-time flag and then make a few ifs and say if 1727.24 1729.23 1729.73 1731.78 1733.84 1735.37 1736.21 1738.37 1738.77 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1737.47 1739.376 1737.47 1739.34 Okay . Yeah . 1738.95 1739.34 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1743.312 1756.088 1743.38 1755.99 Um , oh there must be a way of detecting whether the clock's loaded . Like in fact there there is . You can try and set something on the clock and use try and catch , and then if you catch the exceptions set the flag . 1744.0 1746.77 1748.67 1752.91 1755.99 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1747.248 1749.25 1747.28 1749.18 Yes , the p there is . 1747.55 1749.18 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1753.856 1754.624 1753.91 1754.54 Yeah . 1754.54 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1756.976 1767.12 1757.01 1767.06 Yeah . So anyway , so that's something we should probably do in one way or another because it seems just that the overwhelming majority of DICE machines don't have sound card . 1757.53 1758.08 1767.06 EN2001e E MEE068 4 1767.312 1767.6 1767.33 1767.56 Hmm . 1767.56 EN2001e A FEO066 0 1768.432 1768.704 1768.45 1768.59 Hmm . 1768.59 EN2001e A FEO066 0 1774.29 1783.564 1774.38 1783.51 Okay , do you want to have a look at the agreement and disagreement data that I worked on last week ? Or do we have anything more on this ? 1775.04 1781.06 1783.51 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1783.108 1806.566 1783.18 1806.52 No , nothing c much to talk about this . So apart from like uh a search box and the similarity thing f once that kicks off , w which is gonna be horrible , but um this is more or less in the end , like this is very similar to what our product will look like in the end , seeing that realistically with the given time frame we're not gonna do amazing new things from now on . So I mean we'll hopefully be able t 1783.59 1786.34 1791.86 1792.93 1795.42 1798.91 1804.55 EN2001e E MEE068 4 1798.784 1799.179 1798.8 1799.1 Hmm . 1799.1 EN2001e A FEO066 0 1803.374 1803.848 1803.46 1803.7 Yeah . 1803.7 EN2001e A FEO066 0 1805.189 1811.067 1805.3 1811.02 M perhaps my list of agreements . Perhaps my list of agreements somewhere . 1808.88 1811.02 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1807.921 1808.57 1808.01 1808.26 Huh ? 1808.26 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1811.664 1812.797 1811.71 1812.76 List of agreements ? 1812.76 EN2001e A FEO066 0 1813.263 1818.288 1813.35 1818.288 Yeah , if we find them good enough 1814.46 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1813.708 1815.595 1813.79 1815.49 We could put those on display . 1815.49 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1820.547 1821.553 1820.72 1821.44 Okay , yeah . 1821.12 1821.44 EN2001e A FEO066 0 1820.669 1827.919 1820.73 1827.68 We wanted to provide um that in an extra list saying probably agreement . 1827.68 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1824.936 1825.6 1824.98 1825.55 Okay . 1825.55 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1825.949 1829.152 1826.06 1829.06 Instead of a list , what about putting it in the display ? 1826.94 1829.06 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1827.018 1834.302 1827.09 1834.302 Uh yeah , I think it would be good Dave's right . It could be good in the display to annotate them in the display if we can . Yeah , we could just make 1827.41 1829.08 1832.73 1832.96 EN2001e A FEO066 0 1831.312 1832.661 1831.33 1832.52 Yeah , for example . Yeah . 1831.64 1832.3 1832.52 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1833.188 1837.758 1833.23 1837.57 Can you click on a point in time in display and jump to there yet ? 1837.57 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1836.608 1867.325 1836.63 1867.2 Not just yet , but that should that's actually that's probably the only I can say I can do this week because that should be I mean I'll do it in an inefficient way . I'll effectively sort of go through all the segments and check if they're clicked on . But I think , Dave , what we should do is that th uh the time click of the clock , I think that's changeable . And I think we should probably increase that . Because at the moment it's zero point one seconds and that's just there is actually there are some background noise when it's working and I think that is because it's like doing so much every time . 1837.52 1844.17 1847.51 1848.86 1849.08 1853.81 1856.37 1858.09 1867.2 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1841.184 1841.731 1841.2 1841.65 Okay . 1841.65 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1842.34 1843.265 1842.36 1843.2 'Cause that'd be pretty good . 1843.2 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1868.048 1869.816 1868.19 1869.73 No , I don't get that on my machine . 1868.39 1869.73 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1870.635 1891.305 1870.69 1891.18 Yeah , it's probably because you d I'm not sure if you have the version where the display yet , where the display is actually updating up here when it's moving on . So I mean yes , it is because my display is programmed inefficiently . But I think with the t given time constraints it's probably easier instead of making a very efficient display code to just make the time make the clock whatever , zero point five seconds or something . Do you want the monitor ? 1870.84 1874.46 1877.9 1878.46 1880.31 1887.85 1890.29 1891.18 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1876.834 1878.493 1876.91 1878.0 No , I don't . No . 1877.14 1877.41 1878.0 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1883.643 1884.296 1883.73 1884.26 Okay . 1884.26 EN2001e A FEO066 0 1891.44 1891.857 1891.48 1891.59 Mm-hmm . 1891.59 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1891.593 1899.594 1891.65 1899.56 As long as you can skip more accurately than the time steps , that's fine . 'Cause otherwise you might risk cutting bits off . 1896.06 1897.68 1899.56 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1900.992 1903.216 1901.01 1903.216 If I can skip more accurately , then 1902.5 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1902.832 1911.615 1902.89 1911.58 Like if you want to jump to a point , you need to be able to jump more accurately than half second . By half second you'll miss words . 1905.4 1909.93 1911.58 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1915.552 1916.502 1915.64 1916.502 Uh you're - EN2001e C FEO065 2 1926.96 1937.434 1927.04 1937.36 Are we still with that idea that we want to display bars for the individual speakers ? Okay . And also displaying the speakers before an utterance . 1933.6 1934.31 1937.36 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1932.912 1933.922 1932.93 1933.86 Yeah , I think so . 1933.32 1933.86 EN2001e A FEO066 0 1934.784 1941.768 1934.89 1941.69 Hmm . It's a bit small , but I don't know why that is . Hmm . Strange . 1935.47 1936.52 1940.38 1941.09 1941.69 EN2001e C FEO065 2 1937.788 1938.161 1937.84 1938.09 Okay . 1938.09 EN2001e D MEE067 3 1938.752 1941.693 1938.77 1941.62 Oh yeah , I can yeah , I can do that . 1939.25 1940.9 1941.62 EN2001e B MEO069 1 1941.004 1946.051 1941.15 1946.051 That's probably because it's coming from my resolution and it's you have a much higher resolution . So 1945.64 EN2001e A FEO066 0 1945.744 1998.28 1945.76 1997.65 Yeah , perhaps p because it's wide screen or something . Yeah . But um okay , what you see here um in this part is uh ? No mouse , yeah . There it is , yeah . Here is um a list of the uh um most important or , yeah , most probable words that occur in agreement . Um so the number in the first brackets is um so I run it on all the B_E_D_ , B_M_R_ and B_R_O_ meetings to learn it . Um so uh the number in the first brackets is how often it occurred in the um utterances that were annotated as agreements by the uh dialogue act agreement . 1945.95 1948.1 1948.65 1951.03 1956.88 1957.3 1957.69 1958.2 1958.79 1966.7 1966.86 1971.74 1980.21 1984.91 1997.65 EN2001e A FEO066 0 1998.28 2056.522 1998.67 2056.23 Um and the number in the second brackets is how much it occurred in the rest . And um the first number in every line is um how much more often that is per same um same text length . So um the num uh the words that uh it gives it are look quite good , I think . It's um , yeah , exciting , perfect , true , interesting , exactly , correct , super and so on . Um and then I ran it on the first meeting , getting um the so what's in the in the brackets in this window here is the utterances . Um and the moment it can't make any differences betwe I mean you get the same value for every utterance that is exactly or every utterance that is sure . 2004.91 2016.84 2023.79 2024.16 2024.85 2025.09 2025.54 2025.9 2026.04 2027.18 2027.7 2028.15 2030.4 2035.29 2044.8 2056.23 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2056.522 2086.075 2056.85 2085.92 And um for the longer utterances I just um look how often um one of these words is in there and simply add it up . So that should in principle favour longer utterances . Um and , yeah , and so these numbers here , um one or zero , these here , um that's um 2071.56 2077.79 2079.37 2079.57 2081.33 2083.32 2084.3 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2088.128 2118.166 2088.15 2118.05 um the dialogue act labels whether it's um um if they're annotated as agreement , they're not zero here . So here um for those who get a v that get a very high score , um they're mostly no not zero , and some of those who are zero are o are still very good . Like I I definitely agree um it's a nice kind of agreement that we probably want to have . 2097.24 2099.44 2105.28 2107.95 2111.06 2118.05 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2119.904 2135.578 2119.97 2135.47 Um and when you get further down , yeah , you see those with very low prob um score also have um no agreements . Here they are . a lot of zeros . 2122.45 2123.72 2132.45 2133.09 2135.47 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2133.941 2156.553 2134.31 2156.553 Again I think that's probably a good part if we had a slide b um bar initially where we could dynamically adapt the threshold of what we yeah , so maybe it's just like maybe b it's just good to have like some generic component with three slide bars or something where we can relatively easily add a fourth one or something , you know , and just like sort of all our fiddle factors . Um because 2145.14 2152.62 2153.22 2155.85 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2143.495 2147.374 2143.55 2147.374 Of what we display , yeah . 2144.49 2147.05 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2150.459 2153.261 2150.459 2153.21 Yeah . Yeah . 2152.84 2153.21 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2155.912 2158.89 2156.04 2158.89 Obviously we'll hide that in the presentation . 2158.74 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2158.381 2163.262 2158.47 2163.23 Uh well it depends , we we could like in some cases we could put it as a feature and say , you know , you can dynamically 2159.23 2161.99 2162.2 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2163.528 2165.632 2163.528 2165.48 Yeah . 2165.48 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2165.104 2174.217 2165.25 2174.217 But we don't want I don't think we want to have exposed to the user doing things like adding the threshold of which agreements we display . 2173.86 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2165.28 2166.055 2165.3 2166.055 like - EN2001e B MEO069 1 2170.671 2191.202 2170.74 2191.06 We wouldn't call it threshold , we would sort of like the granularity of decision or something like it . So and , yeah , and every and everything above that threshold I could then add the utterance where it occurs , just put a certain graphical item , like a handshake or something cool . Yeah , right . 2172.0 2176.97 2179.39 2179.56 2185.06 2187.25 2190.34 2190.74 2191.06 EN2001e E MEE068 4 2173.39 2173.789 2173.46 2173.68 Hmm . 2173.68 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2176.07 2180.287 2176.07 2180.287 Decision . 2180.05 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2187.352 2217.749 2187.49 2217.749 Yeah . Yeah . Right . So it looks quite good , I think . Um so that's what I got for agreement . Then for disagreement I did also , but um it's a bit more difficult because there's so little disagreement . Yeah , so there you s again see the list . But it's much shorter and it's mu much worse . Smilies . 2189.24 2190.55 2191.7 2193.32 2193.79 2195.98 2198.06 2204.87 2205.06 2207.1 2214.73 2217.69 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2190.181 2192.767 2190.29 2192.72 Yeah , they uh that does look quite promising , doesn't it . 2190.52 2192.2 2192.72 EN2001e E MEE068 4 2193.162 2193.578 2193.25 2193.49 Hmm . 2193.49 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2204.24 2205.07 2204.49 2204.96 Mm . 2204.96 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2209.312 2217.022 2209.33 2217.022 So you can have happy faces and angry faces . 2213.13 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2210.864 2223.283 2210.88 2223.283 Yes , I was j it I was just thinking the same , like it's it's so tempting , like we we'll we'll have yellow we'll have yellow smilies and yellow angry faces . Ah , beautiful . 2211.28 2213.46 2214.8 2220.51 2221.05 2223.2 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2219.162 2228.942 2219.162 2228.89 Um that is um here at the list of utterances it um gets us for the first meeting . 2228.89 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2229.184 2235.938 2229.3 2235.9 Didn't somebody say that actually like a lot of agreements have have actual words which should suggest disagreement like ? 2235.9 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2235.728 2240.356 2235.98 2240.28 Yeah , I mean I think perhaps that's why we have but uh rated so high here . 2236.23 2240.28 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2241.696 2246.558 2241.77 2246.558 Yeah , yeah . That makes sense . So can you um 2242.74 2243.87 2245.19 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2245.76 2255.762 2245.82 2255.62 Or think . I think . Uh yeah . Think is also rated higher in the non-agreement than in the agreement . I mean there is some funny things . 2246.72 2247.35 2248.54 2253.57 2255.62 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2247.952 2248.56 2247.99 2248.44 Yeah . 2248.44 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2250.307 2250.673 2250.38 2250.57 Yeah . 2250.57 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2253.575 2259.104 2253.62 2259.01 So will that produce basically an agreement and a disagreement score for every dialogue act ? 2259.01 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2259.472 2263.499 2259.49 2263.43 Um yes . Yeah , that's effectively what I'm getting here . 2261.22 2261.5 2263.43 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2261.748 2268.901 2261.86 2268.83 So could you put them in the same format as the other data ? And I'll make us t to read it in . 2266.4 2268.83 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2265.561 2277.46 2265.69 2277.46 Yeah , it's just I mean it's it's exactly this thing , but just I would I would just have to re-scale this factor here . And I mean this is the dialogue act number . So 2265.87 2269.19 2274.8 2277.01 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2277.744 2283.573 2277.77 2283.49 Oh right , okay . So I could probably I could probably read it from uh that file already . 2278.13 2279.26 2283.49 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2281.935 2286.597 2282.01 2286.53 Yeah , I can just give it to you in the format you want . So it w it will just k 2282.27 2285.3 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2285.544 2295.179 2285.66 2295.06 My preferred would be dialogue act number , then you can put both the scores in one file . You can put both the scores in one file if it makes it easier . 2288.5 2292.25 2295.06 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2288.542 2292.55 2288.64 2292.42 And then score , yeah , it this was just for showing it . Huh ? 2289.35 2289.54 2292.2 2292.42 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2295.456 2302.742 2295.48 2302.68 If they're corresponding ea for each thing , yeah , they should be right . So for each utterance you have one agreement and one disagreement score . 2297.23 2297.44 2298.7 2302.68 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2297.299 2297.748 2297.36 2297.71 Yeah . 2297.71 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2301.04 2302.697 2301.12 2302.6 Agreement and one disagreement . 2302.6 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2302.256 2302.615 2302.28 2302.55 Yeah . 2302.55 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2303.936 2305.692 2304.07 2305.61 Uh something like it . 2305.61 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2305.568 2306.048 2305.6 2305.96 Okay . 2305.96 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2306.224 2313.476 2306.25 2313.4 So I'll read that into um I'll make it part of the get measure thing . So you can just get it with a flag 2311.68 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2315.232 2316.334 2315.25 2316.21 using get measure . 2316.21 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2316.679 2318.783 2316.75 2318.6 Okay , yeah . The one where we current 2317.34 2317.75 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2318.088 2328.041 2318.11 2327.91 So you know how zero is T_F_I_D_F_ . One is um the well I've called it word importance , but that's a really m misleading name . 2320.89 2325.33 2327.91 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2321.984 2352.43 2322.03 2352.32 Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . You know what , if you can if you introduce um like a sort of a static , what's it called , public static int . So basically a constant like that's Java's type of a constant , and give them names , like so zero T_D_I_D_F_ , one that probably makes the code a lot more readable for everybody who's playing around with it . You know you know what I mean ? So just like whatever , three means agreement value , and then I'd just write something agreement , and then it's easier to understand for both of us what's going on . 2323.85 2324.92 2325.9 2326.31 2331.26 2331.92 2332.87 2335.17 2336.48 2338.58 2343.58 2345.2 2346.02 2347.39 2349.7 2352.32 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2342.208 2343.12 2342.31 2343.05 Yeah , probably . 2342.57 2343.05 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2344.941 2345.365 2344.98 2345.28 Mm-hmm . 2345.28 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2353.312 2354.041 2353.33 2353.93 Yeah , okay . 2353.64 2353.93 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2353.918 2406.764 2354.01 2406.764 Um one problem I used to have is with all the yeahs . Because I mean obviously they all write it the same . So um I was thinking perhaps at looking um at the um acoustic measures I have . So for example at my F_ zero um deviation . But um yeah , by now I just had a look at the yeah data um and actually the average F_ zero deviation is only slightly higher for the positive ones than for the negative ones . I mean there is a p difference , but it's probably not significant enough to really make use of it . But I perhaps investigate some time still to 2358.35 2362.58 2370.65 2375.49 2377.2 2393.63 2395.24 2401.12 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2371.013 2371.497 2371.08 2371.41 Hmm . 2371.41 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2402.088 2407.088 2402.5 2406.84 I would also th yeah but I would also th - EN2001e D MEE067 3 2405.814 2413.728 2405.94 2413.63 Uh the problem is yeah is occurring not only as an agreement , but really frequently as like uh an encouragement as well , isn't it . 2410.05 2413.22 2413.63 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2411.6 2412.048 2411.64 2412.01 Yeah . 2412.01 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2413.184 2425.551 2413.2 2425.43 Yeah . So and I th my my hypothesis was that if it's really yeah , uh like agreement , it will sound different than if it than into if it is just a back-channel . 2413.71 2418.95 2420.1 2425.43 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2413.747 2414.213 2413.83 2414.12 Yeah . 2414.12 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2420.082 2420.623 2420.22 2420.47 Yeah . 2420.47 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2425.632 2432.672 2425.84 2432.672 But you know what , I think we should put the threshold for that one in the end quite high anyway . So probably it doesn't make much of a difference . Because I think this thing 2426.33 2429.26 2430.91 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2426.682 2426.942 2426.72 2426.86 Mm . 2426.86 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2432.238 2454.352 2432.34 2454.23 But that has nothing to do with the threshold . Because you have uh you have um you don't have it only with yeahs . You have it also with words that are much higher ranked . You have the same problem like for example with yep is much higher ranked , because it occurs less often um in the training thing . 2435.77 2439.53 2443.37 2448.58 2454.23 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2435.613 2436.511 2435.73 2436.511 No , but like 2435.88 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2454.272 2458.816 2454.29 2458.64 But I mean the fact that different ones have the same number in itself isn't a problem , is it ? 2458.39 2458.64 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2460.256 2464.144 2460.63 2464.11 No . Um it's only if they're used in different contexts . 2461.34 2464.11 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2466.992 2474.436 2467.38 2474.436 So if if for every yep you'd be sure that it's an agreement , than that wouldn't be a problem . So you're saying that you're not sure if every yep is an agreement or 2470.25 2471.76 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2475.904 2486.78 2475.92 2486.65 Yes , I b yeah , I know that not every yep is an agreement . Because y um this right , yep and okay things are typically also back-channels . 2476.22 2477.52 2479.97 2482.17 2486.65 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2480.151 2480.75 2480.22 2480.68 Hmm . 2480.68 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2486.328 2502.168 2486.37 2502.05 How what's the highest um ranked one that that kind of problem occurs with ? 'Cause if it's below about 'cause I saw there's ones up in the eighties , wasn't there . If it's below like fifty , it's probably or exactly no they're all but one . 2491.2 2494.64 2495.1 2497.77 2502.05 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2500.803 2504.778 2501.29 2504.7 Yeah , but we would throw a lot away that are quite good . 2501.46 2504.7 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2506.092 2514.662 2506.13 2514.46 'Cause we on the display we probably take quite high . So it'd only matter if it occurs on ones that are really highly ranked . 2509.13 2514.46 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2506.304 2508.908 2506.32 2508.78 If you if you would set it off . 2508.78 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2514.139 2529.574 2514.18 2529.574 So over over how many different over which length is this ? Now this is like so the third column is the utterance where it occurs , right ? Okay , so w I think we really do have to put the threshold quite quite high then , because 2519.36 2523.45 2525.02 2525.27 2529.07 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2524.352 2524.752 2524.37 2524.72 Yes . 2524.72 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2528.368 2532.816 2528.39 2532.816 Yeah . Well otherwise you'd get icons all over the place . So anyway 2529.3 2532.0 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2531.605 2541.867 2531.67 2541.78 Yes , 'cause it I was just I was just checking , you know , like how far apart are they , and at the moment that's definitely not a good thing to display if they're like an average ten ten utterances apart or something . 2531.97 2533.42 2533.6 2535.2 2541.78 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2534.095 2534.661 2534.18 2534.59 Mm-hmm . 2534.59 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2541.102 2541.608 2541.22 2541.56 Yeah . 2541.56 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2542.96 2543.311 2543.01 2543.23 Yeah . 2543.23 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2543.28 2551.376 2543.3 2551.22 So we want probably want to take a threshold at least of fifty or sixty , just as a looking at that . 2548.64 2551.22 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2553.248 2567.276 2553.74 2567.13 I think for this meeting um there were um what was it , like ar around si or ninety annotated agreements or yeah , ag agreement dialogue acts . 2559.7 2564.85 2567.13 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2564.67 2565.26 2564.77 2565.16 Mm-hmm . 2565.16 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2567.088 2567.579 2567.15 2567.47 Mm-hmm . 2567.47 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2570.777 2577.264 2570.88 2577.2 To we probably won't want to display ninety . We'd want to rate them as how important they were , wouldn't we . 2574.17 2576.73 2577.2 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2571.377 2572.017 2571.4 2572.017 So - EN2001e A FEO066 0 2580.695 2587.663 2580.77 2587.663 I mean the b the best ones are definitely those on the first screen here . So it could just 2585.68 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2585.632 2586.088 2585.65 2586.03 Yeah . 2586.03 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2586.4 2623.537 2586.67 2623.42 Again , I'd say probably a good way of going about that question is to have a control which we can vary in the dis and then just sort of because that's in the end how it's gonna be evaluated . You know , in the end it this is gonna li I mean we're gonna present it and say yeah , so this our it shows disagreements . And then we see what what looks good and what looks I think probably it looks credible if like an u if every sort of every topic segment has um w yeah , or like or like something in between the three and and five agreements , but not more . Or probably maybe less but not much less and actually the I think there doesn't have to be one in everything . 2586.98 2596.98 2597.2 2600.66 2602.51 2612.32 2616.67 2617.88 2623.42 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2593.035 2594.615 2593.06 2594.44 Yeah , and see how it turns out . 2593.24 2594.44 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2610.565 2617.269 2610.6 2617.269 An agreement at the end . 2617.06 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2611.135 2614.361 2611.23 2614.361 Mm-hmm . Yeah , okay . 2611.73 2612.1 2614.25 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2624.784 2641.372 2624.8 2641.32 Yeah . Probably have to plot them 'cause some of them are also I mean this is just added by different speakers for example . They are immediately following one another . But it's just two speakers agreeing I think . Same for this one here , for these two here . 2625.67 2631.58 2634.33 2637.4 2639.37 2641.32 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2640.144 2644.926 2640.16 2644.69 So yeah , we'd probably want to merge ones that were very close into one . 2641.21 2644.69 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2644.04 2646.896 2644.08 2646.85 I mean they they will be optically merged anyway . 2646.85 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2647.04 2647.546 2647.15 2647.5 Yeah . 2647.5 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2649.008 2655.373 2649.09 2655.373 N yes , but maybe in an expensive way or maybe in a stupid looking way though . Um 2650.24 2654.34 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2649.534 2651.297 2649.57 2651.297 Yeah . 2650.48 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2654.709 2663.538 2654.73 2663.538 Yeah , and we should probably make some logic when it displays it that says if there's ones very close together , it just centres it among the 2654.91 2661.23 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2659.306 2664.522 2659.38 2664.41 Yeah , d I'm yeah , I was just thinking that it can act it can probably be done on display level . 2659.81 2661.53 2664.41 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2669.456 2671.856 2669.52 2671.856 Yeah , okay . That was just what I 2669.73 2670.23 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2671.183 2672.762 2671.32 2672.65 Yeah , it's looking quite good though . 2671.49 2672.65 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2672.702 2680.709 2672.8 2680.54 This one crashed . Mine just crashed I think , which is bad . It probably just it kept on playing and now reached some whatever . 2673.65 2675.06 2676.07 2680.54 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2683.392 2695.606 2683.41 2695.606 I think it's always really funny that when you look at people's computers who don't use the computer much , their desktop's really tidy , and when you work with people who use it all the time there's stuff everywhere . So mine's like that as well . 2687.93 2689.32 2692.54 2695.52 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2691.52 2701.334 2691.52 2701.334 I onl only keep uh the stuff I actually need on it and then I clean it up every , you know , every 2698.68 2699.07 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2696.916 2697.364 2696.94 2697.33 Yeah . 2697.33 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2699.092 2700.83 2699.2 2700.83 My God . 2700.74 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2702.832 2715.803 2703.02 2715.52 But actually this all here is N_L_S_S_D_ because it was data A_ that didn't fit on my um quota anymore . Okay . 2714.86 2715.52 EN2001e C FEO065 2 2715.664 2724.4 2715.68 2724.36 So Toby , you wanted to uh have keywords for each topic segment or something ? Um who would uh who uh provides the values for that ? 2716.14 2720.36 2724.36 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2719.648 2720.756 2719.67 2720.756 Yeah . 2720.69 EN2001e E MEE068 4 2724.32 2725.4 2724.35 2725.4 No one yet . 2725.28 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2725.457 2725.865 2725.48 2725.83 Yeah . 2725.83 EN2001e C FEO065 2 2725.76 2726.304 2725.79 2726.23 No one . 2726.23 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2726.72 2740.368 2726.98 2740.17 I think sort of the bottom line and which might well end up what it's gonna be like is that we take the single highest ranked utterance and put that as a t as a title , like realistically looking at this from the the time we have left to do this and stuff . 2735.9 2740.17 EN2001e C FEO065 2 2731.36 2731.794 2731.38 2731.69 Right . 2731.69 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2734.336 2734.812 2734.36 2734.76 Yeah . 2734.76 EN2001e C FEO065 2 2741.392 2757.113 2741.41 2756.94 Because what I do is um having um values for each segment at the moment . So I could just extract the highest ones for each segment . I don't know if that's good or bad . It could be at least I could provide some value . 2747.15 2751.71 2754.23 2756.94 EN2001e E MEE068 4 2751.558 2752.149 2751.66 2752.149 Yeah , that 2751.91 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2751.712 2752.287 2751.73 2752.0 There w - EN2001e E MEE068 4 2754.368 2755.433 2754.4 2755.35 That could be good , yeah . 2755.09 2755.35 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2757.95 2765.66 2758.03 2765.66 Yeah ? Yeah , maybe even on a s on a sing like i is that on a r like is that on a word basis , would that be single words ? Or would that be 2760.08 2760.27 2763.83 2764.82 EN2001e C FEO065 2 2765.403 2769.893 2765.49 2769.63 Uh it it doesn't matter to me . I could do both . Okay . 2767.41 2769.2 2769.63 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2767.344 2799.823 2767.36 2799.77 'Cause be check out what they would be like on a word basis . Maybe actually if it if there's one word which is very typical , I mean it's probably some word like uh , because that's like the only time that uh was spelled with three A_ and stuff . I think that actually that might be a problem of the whole um annotation that if they aren't exactly consistent in how they descri uh transcribe stuff like that , then we probably can't yeah . 'Cause that's when we're thinking sometimes , like why is mm high . But then probably it's the only time that mm was spelled with a dot at the end and stuff . So But yeah , like if if single w 2769.56 2772.4 2773.85 2777.39 2785.89 2790.35 2791.5 2793.5 2797.21 2798.39 EN2001e C FEO065 2 2783.74 2784.512 2783.87 2784.42 Mm . 2784.42 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2784.374 2790.188 2784.374 2790.188 Yeah , same thing uh um with the yoohoos and so on . 2785.97 2790.01 EN2001e C FEO065 2 2795.47 2796.193 2795.62 2796.02 Mm . 2796.02 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2799.335 2811.5 2799.41 2811.37 Maybe we should um download a dictionary and check our utterances before we uh listen to make sure that they're actually real words . Do you see what I mean ? 2810.58 2811.37 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2809.84 2820.338 2810.44 2820.338 I c I have dictionaries . If it's just like I have arbitrarily long lists from the British National Corpus of when t usually 2812.89 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2819.706 2824.856 2819.87 2824.856 That do not include mm . 2824.72 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2823.054 2829.024 2823.13 2828.96 Well let's say at least they do it uh consistently enough that I think you can filter them out fairly well . 2828.96 EN2001e E MEE068 4 2824.038 2824.388 2824.1 2824.21 Hmm . 2824.21 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2832.347 2837.72 2832.39 2837.68 Yeah , I mean see how it turns out . If they look good , then that's a good way of doing it as any , I suppose . 2832.77 2834.23 2834.95 2837.24 2837.68 EN2001e C FEO065 2 2838.944 2839.395 2839.09 2839.29 Yeah . 2839.29 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2839.07 2848.1 2839.25 2847.89 Yeah , so if you if like I mean if the single ha best one word for a for a segment is interesting , that would be really good . 2839.37 2846.99 2847.89 EN2001e C FEO065 2 2847.721 2848.295 2847.87 2848.18 Hmm . 2848.18 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2851.056 2852.144 2851.08 2852.144 Seem to be having - EN2001e D MEE067 3 2851.722 2866.379 2851.87 2866.22 Actually , what I think you should do is take the highest three or four and then just merge them together into one utterance . It wouldn't make any sense , but it'd give you an idea of what they're actually talking about , if you see what I mean . 2852.15 2859.78 2860.9 2865.37 2866.22 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2856.784 2860.555 2856.784 2860.47 Use a random s - EN2001e C FEO065 2 2867.283 2867.968 2867.39 2867.68 Yeah . 2867.68 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2867.888 2871.124 2867.91 2871.08 'Kay , we're going backwards here now , it suddenly crashes and hangs . 2868.03 2869.33 2871.08 EN2001e C FEO065 2 2869.744 2872.064 2869.8 2871.93 Especially when the segments are really long . 2871.93 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2871.917 2872.424 2871.96 2872.37 Yeah . 2872.37 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2876.304 2893.617 2876.71 2893.52 Yeah , I mean that was that was sort of in the original of then , the nice fancy drawings that we gave Steven . I mean that was part of it that sort of within the segment you had these sub-segments and each of them had different words and whatever happened to our dreams ? Are there assignments . No , I don't think we have . 2876.88 2879.09 2881.08 2890.25 2892.5 2892.7 2893.52 EN2001e E MEE068 4 2888.291 2888.824 2888.291 2888.59 Uh . 2888.59 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2889.439 2891.667 2889.5 2891.62 Yeah , I don't think we're gonna have time for that . 2890.0 2891.62 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2894.288 2896.585 2894.31 2896.49 Which is a shame 'cause it would've been cool . 2896.49 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2897.264 2897.706 2897.28 2897.56 Yeah . 2897.56 EN2001e E MEE068 4 2897.52 2897.86 2897.61 2897.77 Hmm . 2897.77 EN2001e E MEE068 4 2899.2 2907.084 2899.39 2907.01 Yeah , are we gonna have time to make it display like a whole archive of meetings ? Or is it just gonna be displaying single meetings and you'll hold up different ones ? 2899.59 2903.34 2907.01 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2905.258 2909.141 2905.3 2909.07 Um at the moment it doesn't really care how many meetings it's displaying . 2909.07 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2909.373 2913.59 2909.52 2913.59 Hmm . Poor man's solution is probably gonna be to have a a list 2910.62 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2912.708 2916.562 2912.87 2916.45 Just draw a big black line on the borders , I think . 2915.95 2916.45 EN2001e E MEE068 4 2916.736 2917.088 2916.76 2917.05 Hmm . 2917.05 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2917.232 2919.904 2917.33 2919.87 Oh , so j you you are think of loading them all at once . 2917.5 2919.87 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2920.004 2923.457 2920.07 2923.457 Well y you you can if you want to . It's 2923.15 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2922.64 2923.182 2922.67 2923.05 Yeah . 2923.05 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2924.944 2925.436 2924.97 2925.37 Yeah . 2925.37 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2925.029 2929.743 2925.05 2929.743 'Cause it ju it can display from any utterance to any other utterance . It doesn't really 2928.98 EN2001e E MEE068 4 2930.512 2939.904 2930.53 2939.87 Yeah , the see , at the moment the dialogue I_D_s just they start at zero for each meeting , they don't run um continuously . But you w you'd like them to run continuously . 2930.79 2931.1 2935.07 2938.06 2939.87 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2930.467 2931.182 2930.56 2931.12 Yeah . 2931.12 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2935.845 2940.922 2935.87 2940.83 Do they ? Ah . Yeah , I'd prefer them drawn continuously . 2937.27 2939.0 2939.22 2940.83 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2940.528 2941.328 2940.61 2941.15 Yeah . 2941.15 EN2001e E MEE068 4 2941.184 2942.849 2941.2 2942.75 Yeah , I can change that . 2942.09 2942.75 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2943.537 2951.122 2943.69 2951.03 Okay , then you you will provide a file with all the mappings from the old ones to the 2944.11 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2943.696 2944.241 2943.72 2944.241 Even though we - EN2001e E MEE068 4 2948.016 2950.651 2948.04 2950.55 Yeah , just to change the index files as well . 2948.76 2950.55 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2951.056 2951.475 2951.08 2951.39 'Kay . 2951.39 EN2001e D MEE067 3 2951.249 2960.101 2951.3 2960.06 Okay . Because that way , all we have to do to display ea more than one meeting is have a harder boundary drawn . 2952.68 2953.44 2960.06 EN2001e A FEO066 0 2953.616 2954.386 2953.64 2954.33 unique ones . 2954.33 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2960.192 2984.106 2960.23 2984.01 Yeah . Yeah , I think that like the dr the drawing has to be changed anyway , the it's not ideal at the moment . Um yeah , so if performance-wise it generally works fine for the display it shouldn't make much of a difference , 'cause I think everything in the display code is just from the first until the last one displayed . So if if the other performance is okay , then we should really just load the whole thing in . 2960.9 2961.02 2963.97 2967.47 2968.98 2973.33 2979.36 2981.57 2984.01 EN2001e B MEO069 1 2985.679 2986.443 2985.75 2986.41 I'm very dis - EN2001e D MEE067 3 2985.977 3005.52 2986.12 3005.45 One thing we will have to do is we want we'd really want a different behaviour if we clicked on a whole meeting than a segment . So if there's more than one meeting displayed , it should um if you click even on one the segments of that meeting , I think it should re-initialize and display that just that meeting . 2994.02 2998.16 3002.48 3005.45 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3007.557 3009.969 3007.6 3009.89 So I'm not su I'm not sure how easy that would be to do . 3009.89 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3013.111 3020.279 3013.18 3020.279 See , that probably just means that the display sort of has an internal knowledge about what level of zoom it has . So initially the display 3013.45 3018.91 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3020.862 3025.76 3020.91 3025.73 It just needs to know whether it's displaying more than one whole meeting , doesn't it . That's the only 3024.58 3025.04 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3027.968 3029.026 3027.99 3028.99 knowledge it would need . 3028.99 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3030.576 3031.584 3030.63 3031.52 Yes . 3031.52 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3033.696 3034.256 3033.78 3034.16 Yeah . 3034.16 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3033.803 3037.63 3033.97 3037.45 But anyway , we can sort that out if we have time once we've got everything else . 3034.38 3037.45 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3035.916 3044.464 3035.98 3044.43 Yeah . That's probably fairly simple to do actually if we do it in that most primitive way of just saying as long as you display more than one meeting . 3037.15 3044.43 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3044.716 3045.132 3044.78 3045.1 Yeah . 3045.1 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3046.267 3050.607 3046.32 3050.55 That'll get s s sufficient to claim that we had implemented some kind of zoom as well . 3050.55 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3051.696 3099.434 3051.72 3099.434 Yeah . We then need some way of getting back up again in the hierarchy , but that in the worst case it will just be a static sort of arrow up button in the right hand topper corner of the display , and you press that and then you're on the display the whole thing again . But for that at the moment my display code needs that thing to work , the one oh no , that's working at the moment anyway , the one that I just say give me one hundred values over that length and then you're internally okay , but yeah , but uh that's okay , as long as my display I was just thinking my display can't handle displaying a million different segments . But now r no , but it doesn't have to . Even now it doesn't have to . Okay , well that's all details . Um so Dave , can you just turn this what we have right now in 3053.1 3055.89 3062.73 3065.65 3071.7 3073.9 3074.94 3081.32 3081.56 3082.24 3087.4 3088.24 3089.76 3091.55 3091.86 3092.88 3095.85 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3061.163 3061.729 3061.26 3061.65 Yeah . 3061.65 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3065.584 3065.959 3065.63 3065.85 Mm . 3065.85 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3079.28 3082.14 3079.35 3082.08 Yeah , it's not done the very clever way , but it does work . 3079.53 3081.22 3082.08 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3089.392 3089.971 3089.51 3089.91 Mm-hmm . 3089.91 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3098.98 3100.809 3099.07 3100.73 Basically do a code for ease on it . 3100.73 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3101.646 3103.402 3101.67 3103.31 Do you want me to put a search in soon ? 3103.31 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3104.096 3125.971 3104.12 3125.91 Um I'll probably tonight just work on getting a frozen version that works consistently . And um if you could document it for me , that's probably enough for me to add it in . Unless you want to do it . But my code , I've not documented the programme manager class . So though it's a bit hairy at the moment , isn't it . 3110.68 3114.4 3116.94 3119.02 3120.56 3123.01 3125.49 3125.91 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3108.736 3109.326 3108.79 3109.25 No , oh yeah . 3108.88 3109.25 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3110.439 3112.426 3110.53 3112.426 Yeah . Make 3112.12 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3117.015 3117.339 3117.05 3117.3 Yes . 3117.3 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3118.224 3119.465 3118.37 3119.4 Uh And if an - EN2001e E MEE068 4 3118.911 3120.565 3118.95 3120.46 Yeah well , we'll work on it , yeah . 3119.51 3120.2 3120.46 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3126.976 3170.56 3127.02 3170.56 If anyone feels that they have free time , uh this is a joke , um one thing that would be convenient for all sorts of things and which I haven't found out about it is how to do tool tips in an arbitrary way in in in Swing graphic displays . Now there is simple ways of doing tool tips over a given element , like if you have a button and you just give it a tool tip text . But there is means of doing tool tips that just I c I put my mouse over . Let's say I put my mouse over this line here and then it would tell me something about what it is . And that would be quite convenient for a lot of things because then we can sort of have a lot of information in the display in the in the way that just when the mouse is over it , but I haven't figured out how it works , and that's something that probably so if everyone is ever bored or anyone feels that they can do that 3129.26 3130.69 3142.3 3145.43 3147.61 3152.03 3155.65 3163.15 3164.56 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3129.936 3130.368 3129.98 3130.27 Uh-huh . 3130.27 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3154.251 3154.658 3154.28 3154.59 Hmm . 3154.59 EN2001e A FEO066 0 3161.36 3162.443 3161.39 3162.37 Mm-hmm , yes . 3161.87 3162.37 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3170.58 3173.536 3170.62 3173.5 Okay , so probably what you'd want to do is um 3170.9 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3175.141 3180.866 3175.22 3180.66 detect where the mouse is and change the default tool tip for that component . 3180.66 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3181.848 3183.037 3181.93 3183.037 Yes , but 3182.74 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3182.508 3186.457 3182.58 3186.34 Because it automatically displays at the correct position when you hover . 3186.34 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3186.56 3198.487 3186.6 3198.487 Yeah , but the the thing is it it isn't simply an act of setting a string default tool tip . There seems to be something about a tool tip object that you have to create and give it all sorts of different properties and stuff or 3186.97 3192.65 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3198.08 3202.323 3198.2 3202.28 Yeah , you might nor really want to be creating a new one every time you move the mouse . 3198.32 3202.28 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3202.272 3210.486 3202.29 3210.486 Yeah . So anyway , I haven't looked much into that . So if if anybody looks into that , then let me know . Otherwise I'll start looking into it as soon as I have time again . But if anybody 3202.6 3202.97 3204.02 3206.97 3207.51 3209.64 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3210.669 3215.353 3210.69 3215.19 I'll have a look through some of my Java books 'cause it might be the sort of thing they have in there . 3215.19 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3215.133 3235.407 3215.21 3235.32 Yeah . I found some stuff about it on the web and it just looked to me like proper coding , like I saw half-page code samples which effectively just displayed a tool tip and I didn't have the time at that point to get deeper into that . So if anybody gets any good samples of that Never . Anyways , that is that it for now ? 3216.41 3220.55 3228.09 3233.32 3233.96 3235.32 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3227.635 3228.184 3227.74 3228.11 Mm . 3228.11 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3236.784 3237.068 3236.8 3236.97 Yeah . 3236.97 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3236.96 3240.281 3236.98 3240.281 Is there all is that g version all in the - EN2001e B MEO069 1 3240.631 3245.296 3240.68 3245.296 No , but I'm gonna I'm going up Appleton Tower now and I have my external hard disk . So I can 3241.35 3244.63 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3243.716 3249.172 3243.76 3249.172 Okay . Cool . So I'll start working on that in like half an hour or something and it will be the 3244.94 3245.36 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3250.016 3250.525 3250.05 3250.38 Yeah . 3250.38 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3250.485 3251.017 3250.61 3250.98 Okay . 3250.98 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3254.08 3268.86 3254.17 3268.81 Is there any DICE machines in this building ? Freely accessible for me . Can you show me where because I'm actually not going to Appleton Tower at the moment . So then I don't have to go up and down . Actually no , but I have to go there anyway and put a piece of paper on two machines where some stuff of mine is running on . 3256.91 3257.95 3261.11 3263.76 3264.08 3268.81 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3256.624 3256.987 3256.65 3256.93 Mm-hmm . 3256.93 EN2001e C FEO065 2 3257.111 3257.468 3257.23 3257.32 Mm . 3257.32 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3259.007 3259.406 3259.12 3259.31 Yeah . 3259.31 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3275.553 3290.59 3275.64 3290.52 Yeah , and I think like I'll just I'll just kick in full time for N_L_S_S_D_ next week , 'cause there's nothing I have to do then . Apart from Cognitive Modelling , which I think I'll just do in five hours , three hours . you take a look at that ? 3275.84 3281.41 3284.12 3285.22 3287.73 3289.62 3290.52 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3289.647 3289.955 3289.67 3289.87 Hmm . 3289.87 EN2001e A FEO066 0 3291.221 3293.799 3291.37 3293.799 Yeah , but not too detailed . So 3291.68 3293.43 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3293.566 3303.119 3293.63 3303.05 Hmm . I might just not go for the last question because usually the last question is takes half the time and gives you five percent or something like Okay . 3294.99 3303.05 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3302.88 3305.267 3302.92 3305.23 Yes , we're gonna talk about the evaluation next week . 3303.22 3305.23 EN2001e C FEO065 2 3308.676 3309.508 3308.676 3309.508 . 3309.508 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3309.029 3313.536 3309.15 3313.43 We really need to get in contact with the other group and see if they want to do a joint evaluation . 3313.43 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3314.224 3315.046 3314.24 3314.99 Yeah , we could do that . 3314.45 3314.99 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3317.257 3318.736 3317.28 3318.7 So you need to get their email addresses . 3318.7 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3320.208 3324.641 3320.24 3324.52 Yeah , I think they're on the N_L_S_S_D_ web page . Hmm . 3320.58 3324.22 3324.52 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3323.424 3323.963 3323.48 3323.86 Are they ? 3323.86 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3324.48 3325.08 3324.63 3324.93 Really ? 3324.93 EN2001e C FEO065 2 3324.686 3328.224 3324.76 3328.19 At least their names , and if we have their names then we can get their email . 3325.73 3328.19 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3325.1 3327.528 3325.19 3327.47 That'd be handy . Yeah , we can get them . 3326.54 3326.76 3327.47 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3327.008 3327.567 3327.04 3327.49 Okay . 3327.49 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3329.424 3336.821 3329.5 3336.821 So you do is sending them an email . 'Cause I was hoping that Steve would mention it Ian 'cause we've mentioned it to him so many times . But he obviously hasn't . 3330.92 3335.62 3336.73 EN2001e C FEO065 2 3334.622 3335.254 3334.8 3335.17 Mm . 3335.17 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3338.32 3342.471 3338.38 3342.471 No , maybe he has mentioned it to them , but they just never talked to us . I mean we didn't talk to them . So 3338.52 3339.72 3341.11 3342.23 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3341.632 3342.033 3341.65 3341.99 Yeah . 3341.99 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3344.688 3362.685 3344.78 3362.685 It's sort of coming as a shock to me now because I was sort of in this mindset . Like I first knew oh , there's a lot of time between the presentation and the report . And then I knew oh , now the presentation is shifted . But the correlation between those two facts , the interdependencies , there's some fancy planning language about that . But that 3347.95 3348.91 3351.34 3351.99 3353.96 3358.07 3359.04 3362.1 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3362.354 3366.054 3362.42 3366.054 S there's the frame problem . 3365.97 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3364.214 3371.728 3364.42 3371.66 Yes , it's um it's probably some version of the frame problem . Frame plob problem . Hasn't been clear to me . 3364.72 3368.59 3370.48 3371.66 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3376.342 3378.779 3376.41 3378.74 No , I think it's coming together not bad at the moment actually . 3376.53 3378.74 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3380.832 3381.15 3380.85 3381.09 Yeah . 3381.09 EN2001e A FEO066 0 3381.632 3386.856 3381.7 3386.64 Um by the way how long um how much time do we have for the presentation ? 3386.64 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3386.995 3387.71 3387.1 3387.63 Don't know . 3387.63 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3387.944 3393.25 3388.0 3393.11 Yeah , probably as long as we need . But yeah , I don't know . Half an hour or some 3388.58 3390.21 3390.65 3392.14 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3389.728 3390.224 3389.82 3390.16 Yeah . 3390.16 EN2001e A FEO066 0 3391.712 3395.752 3391.73 3395.752 Yeah , but more like twenty minutes or more like an hour ? 3392.0 3395.26 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3395.199 3396.296 3395.27 3396.296 Well , I reckon that it 3395.52 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3395.513 3398.124 3395.66 3398.09 I can't see it going on for an hour to be honest . 3398.09 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3396.774 3398.794 3396.84 3398.66 Yeah , half an hour probably . 3397.46 3398.66 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3398.127 3399.383 3398.18 3399.28 I reckon that probab - EN2001e A FEO066 0 3398.688 3409.709 3398.79 3409.56 Yeah , I mean if you if you if you present the components of what it it's based on , then you will need more than twenty minutes to present it , I guess . It's question . 3398.97 3403.72 3407.75 3408.7 3409.56 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3408.619 3425.09 3408.67 3424.98 But if you just present the functionality of the thing , if you're not like I don't think this presentation is about the internal working . So yeah . So for a demo , I think realistically since everything in this university sort of works in one hour slots and stuff . So if it's two groups then it probably it's gonna be roughly half an hour-ish . 3411.33 3414.52 3416.43 3417.22 3421.03 3424.98 EN2001e A FEO066 0 3411.332 3412.505 3411.69 3412.505 Yeah , then 3411.99 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3414.517 3416.272 3414.56 3416.19 Yeah , I thought it was a demo basically . 3414.74 3416.19 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3414.816 3415.271 3414.84 3415.19 Hmm . 3415.19 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3416.591 3417.306 3416.65 3417.09 Yeah , I think . 3416.87 3417.09 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3423.453 3434.824 3423.53 3434.824 Half an hour . And like ten minutes of that would be probably set up time as well . Ten minutes of that will probably be set up time as well . 3425.63 3429.52 3434.55 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3425.184 3425.66 3425.21 3425.57 Yeah . 3425.57 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3429.008 3429.44 3429.06 3429.28 Hmm ? 3429.28 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3431.573 3437.766 3431.573 3437.64 No , why is th this is gonna be so bad . Like there's gonna be some small l 3433.72 3435.79 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3437.097 3442.868 3437.15 3442.76 I we maybe you should present it on your laptop 'cause we can be really sure it's running before we come . 3442.76 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3442.0 3445.41 3442.02 3445.38 Yeah , but the performance is really bad at the moment on that one though . 3442.22 3445.38 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3444.768 3445.294 3444.79 3445.19 Hmm . 3445.19 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3446.853 3450.229 3447.06 3450.12 Plus we would have to get the speech tools running on my laptop then , wouldn't we ? 3449.76 3450.12 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3449.584 3454.681 3449.67 3454.65 I could probably get my computer in if I could get someone to give me a lift . I know a couple of people with cars . 3453.28 3454.65 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3453.008 3453.518 3453.12 3453.48 Mm . 3453.48 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3454.88 3457.952 3455.04 3457.91 Yeah , it may be a good idea to do that . Could we guarantee that it'd work ? 3455.16 3456.67 3457.91 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3455.048 3469.318 3455.29 3469.14 Well let's let's see . Did it it could just be fluent on the laptop for all I know . I mean like at the moment it's not too bad apart from I think the sound is stuttering and that's b I think because of the laptop . But we can only really judge that once we have sound files . 3456.66 3460.27 3465.5 3469.14 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3468.298 3472.118 3468.38 3472.08 Yeah , 'cause I wouldn't need to bring a monitor or anything , I'll just need to bring the box . 3468.56 3470.91 3472.08 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3472.39 3472.905 3472.5 3472.73 Hmm . 3472.73 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3474.432 3476.97 3474.45 3476.86 I'm pretty sure I could nick a lift off someone . 3476.86 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3477.616 3478.948 3477.7 3478.85 How fast is yours , Vera ? 3478.56 3478.85 EN2001e A FEO066 0 3479.904 3483.215 3479.92 3483.215 My computer ? Uh it doesn't have Linu Linux . So 3480.8 3482.87 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3480.685 3481.259 3480.81 3481.14 Mm-hmm . 3481.14 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3482.944 3487.527 3482.96 3487.527 Well net would run on anything . But 3486.63 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3487.44 3492.93 3487.51 3492.8 Or J_ Builder . In fact you won't even you shouldn't even need either as long as you got Java installed . 3489.45 3492.8 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3489.12 3489.874 3489.14 3489.76 Yes . 3489.76 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3491.961 3501.49 3492.04 3501.4 No , that's true . Yeah , that's true . Virtual Machine should be fine . But but but that all relies on finding some way of getting the speech tools to do their job . 3492.2 3492.78 3492.95 3494.64 3496.29 3501.4 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3492.623 3494.36 3492.75 3494.25 Yeah , I've been able to run it without , yeah . 3492.97 3493.87 3494.25 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3494.528 3494.888 3494.57 3494.79 Yeah . 3494.79 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3501.74 3503.635 3501.82 3503.49 Oh crap , I forgot about that . 3502.58 3503.49 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3503.344 3513.591 3503.43 3513.591 Yeah , see that's 'cause that's the thing , like that would rely on I just don't think it's a good idea to run the speech tools in 3503.67 3504.94 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3505.072 3510.28 3505.072 3510.28 Cygwin maybe ? 3510.05 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3505.59 3505.963 3505.63 3505.79 Hmm . 3505.79 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3512.816 3519.637 3512.816 3519.53 In Cygwin . No , but Cygwin should run um the Java as well . 3515.2 3515.37 3519.53 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3514.288 3514.73 3514.32 3514.58 Mm-hmm . 3514.58 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3520.502 3525.79 3520.502 3525.79 No no no no , d wherever this is going , it doesn't sound good . Um 3522.62 3523.74 3525.18 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3529.504 3542.125 3529.54 3542.06 We can he can use my laptop as sort of like as a as a server as a sound server , but that would still mean that we have to get the speech tools running on this . No , you know , I think I mean the way Java works is that t 3534.52 3538.56 3538.71 3539.15 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3532.294 3533.859 3532.32 3533.859 A sound server . 3533.81 EN2001e A FEO066 0 3533.602 3534.375 3533.93 3534.28 Mm . 3534.28 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3544.08 3550.592 3544.1 3550.51 I think it'll run on on their DICE machine if we're doing it in if we well we should definitely test it the day before . 3550.51 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3547.165 3548.346 3547.19 3548.24 Hopefully , yeah . 3547.89 3548.24 EN2001e A FEO066 0 3549.942 3551.788 3550.06 3551.788 Yeah . 3551.72 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3550.735 3554.294 3550.81 3554.19 Yeah , I'm sure he'll let us uh test it out before we do it . 3551.26 3554.19 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3552.224 3554.379 3552.25 3554.23 Yeah . 'Kay . 3553.9 3554.23 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3562.81 3566.743 3562.92 3566.63 So Dave , are you gonna make something primitive that people can load their data in ? 3563.27 3566.63 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3566.8 3572.732 3566.87 3572.64 Yep , I'll do that today . And I'll yeah , I'll make a script to run it and put that in the group directory . 3567.56 3568.7 3569.81 3572.64 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3568.678 3569.136 3568.76 3569.01 Ok - EN2001e D MEE067 3 3574.416 3576.413 3574.44 3576.27 And I'll send around the email when it's done . 3576.27 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3576.544 3577.103 3576.59 3577.03 Yeah . 3577.03 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3579.632 3592.823 3579.66 3592.823 Yeah . I'm not I'm not a hundred percent sure what needs to be changed to make it work with the to make it not crash if it doesn't have a sound card . There's there's quite a bit you have to comment out for that , which is stupid because I 3579.96 3588.72 3591.91 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3592.195 3597.192 3592.37 3597.11 It'll be the bit where it creates the clock . Or is there stuff in the display as well ? 3595.37 3597.11 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3597.912 3621.733 3597.98 3621.67 Yeah the yeah . No , but the thing is the display calls methods which probably expect some so I think if the display itself isn't doing anything clocky , so as long as in the main pr in the programme manager everything clocky is is removed , but uh i w it might be worthwhile to check how much work it would be to do it over a flag , 'cause then in the end i 'cause otherwise we always have two code versions , and people might be changing the wrong one . 3598.48 3598.62 3606.5 3612.3 3617.71 3620.26 3621.67 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3612.259 3612.808 3612.29 3612.74 Okay . 3612.74 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3621.129 3630.216 3621.21 3630.1 Well , it really we shouldn't even need a flag . You should be able to do it with exceptions . I mean that's this is kinda not exact case that exceptions are made for really . 3621.56 3623.69 3625.97 3630.1 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3627.578 3639.644 3627.65 3639.55 Okay . Okay . Yeah , that's true . I just I know that like if you don't do it with the exceptions , crashes . That's what figured out . Like if you don't have a sound card it crashes , even if you don't use sound . Yeah , okay , cool . 3628.63 3630.21 3630.51 3631.05 3633.61 3634.08 3634.95 3636.63 3638.67 3639.03 3639.21 3639.55 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3635.056 3635.59 3635.15 3635.5 Yeah . 3635.5 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3641.008 3652.606 3641.03 3652.57 Yeah Dave , see in the programme manager , do you have a a method to like set the current I_D_ so it'll update the display ? 'Cause that's what I'm gonna need when I'm uh like getting search results . 3641.45 3643.85 3649.53 3652.57 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3643.728 3644.202 3643.77 3644.1 Mm-hmm . 3644.1 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3652.728 3663.888 3652.76 3663.81 Oh no , it's gonna have to do something a bit more complicated than that . What it will have to do is de-register everything as time handlers and then update and then re-register them . 3653.24 3655.72 3663.81 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3658.445 3658.928 3658.47 3658.78 Hmm . 3658.78 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3664.115 3675.093 3664.5 3674.98 Uh I think the display has some method for it . I'm not actually like for the programme manager then to call . I'm not actually a hundred percent sure what it's called , but the display has some method where you tell it where to start and where to end . 3667.71 3670.4 3672.16 3674.98 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3665.063 3665.504 3665.14 3665.42 Right . 3665.42 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3679.552 3681.376 3679.57 3681.25 Yeah or there's gonna be something . 3681.25 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3683.216 3690.096 3683.29 3690.06 Yeah , well as far as I've got at the moment , I've made a results class that's got like the I_D_ and the stuff . 3683.46 3684.62 3690.06 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3686.896 3694.245 3686.92 3694.18 Okay . Have you got a component for displaying lists of matches ? 'Cause that'd be pretty useful . Cool . 3688.59 3691.79 3693.79 3694.18 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3692.464 3694.985 3692.48 3694.91 Yeah . Yep . I'm well , I'm working on it . 3693.13 3693.87 3694.31 3694.91 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3695.991 3715.918 3696.06 3715.74 Okay , yeah , I mean it's not it's not too hard to do . All you have to do is de-register everything that's a time handler first before you add the stuff in . But um depends what behaviour we want . Do we want when you click on a search result , we definitely want that one to appear in the summary . 3696.37 3696.63 3699.43 3706.36 3709.5 3712.55 3715.74 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3702.896 3703.305 3702.95 3703.18 Right . 3703.18 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3714.048 3716.835 3714.45 3716.835 Well actually , Dave Da Dave Dave Dave 3715.35 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3716.07 3720.154 3716.13 3720.08 I yeah , and it might not be there . I know , I was thinking that might be a problem . 3716.75 3718.43 3718.78 3720.08 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3717.824 3718.291 3717.84 3718.24 Yeah . 3718.24 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3720.368 3728.416 3720.39 3728.37 Okay . No sorry , I've uh I was wrong , I was thinking it's exactly the same thing that happens when we say set select no , it does not . But actually a set selection does everything you want sort of . 3720.8 3721.12 3721.87 3724.93 3725.29 3728.37 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3729.415 3733.258 3729.45 3733.2 Yeah , it sets if you look at set select , that's essentially what you wanna do , yeah . 3729.68 3731.65 3732.96 3733.2 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3731.634 3742.251 3731.71 3742.251 No , but set selection doesn't update the display though , because well it it doesn't tell the display which part to di which part to to display because the display has just called set selection to 3731.81 3733.9 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3734.48 3735.028 3734.5 3734.93 Does it not ? 3734.93 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3735.232 3735.741 3735.26 3735.47 Hmm . 3735.47 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3742.893 3753.05 3743.02 3753.0 Yeah , but it w it doesn't matter because um if it's jumped to in the end text area , then your display would the the line'll jump , won't it . 3743.18 3749.86 3752.58 3753.0 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3748.456 3749.029 3748.66 3749.029 If - EN2001e B MEO069 1 3753.478 3770.087 3753.58 3769.94 Yeah , but that only works that at the moment isn't done through our system , that's just done because then the time changes . So actually a time change would automatically put the position of the display in the right play . Uh no , but that's not a good idea , because that could well be outside the displayed area then . 3753.76 3756.75 3759.74 3765.26 3765.79 3766.68 3769.94 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3763.357 3763.74 3763.41 3763.69 Yeah . 3763.69 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3770.896 3780.099 3770.92 3780.03 Uh and also the real time and play time stuff would change . So we , yeah , we need to re-initialize the display then , don't we . 3776.3 3776.57 3776.76 3779.58 3780.03 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3774.928 3776.618 3775.02 3776.618 Yeah . So 3775.8 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3779.855 3784.62 3779.92 3784.62 Yeah . No , I think the display has a method for that ready , which is called 3780.23 3780.32 3783.13 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3787.104 3791.779 3787.13 3791.7 Anyway , the display has something useful for that . Something which probably starts with the word set . 3787.37 3789.78 3791.7 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3796.575 3800.336 3796.63 3800.3 Yeah , you can set the window start utterance and window end utterance . 3796.84 3800.3 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3800.752 3801.25 3800.78 3801.18 Okay . 3801.18 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3804.72 3805.008 3804.74 3804.97 Hmm . 3804.97 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3805.2 3813.104 3805.22 3812.97 But yeah , we need to do something to ensure that the search result is in the summary that's created . 3805.54 3812.97 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3810.663 3811.279 3810.71 3811.16 Yeah . 3811.16 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3815.459 3826.372 3815.49 3826.28 So may we probably want a different summary constructor that takes an an additional argument of an I_D_ . And it will that w utterance will always be in the summary . 3823.42 3826.28 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3823.392 3824.016 3823.51 3823.84 Hmm . 3823.84 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3826.224 3836.277 3826.43 3836.14 Alternatively there's always the method of just giving it a really high score . As a hack , you know , like just as long as you then don't well , probably people wouldn't know . 3830.46 3830.93 3831.24 3835.18 3836.14 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3832.992 3843.946 3833.02 3843.84 Yeah , I suppose . But the trouble is that still doesn't guarantee that it'll appear because if you get enough of them that are high scored , it prefers the first ones it sees . 3833.51 3835.78 3841.82 3843.84 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3840.752 3841.211 3840.78 3841.15 Hmm . 3841.15 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3842.871 3851.193 3842.98 3851.193 Well you could you could put one point one when the other ones only go up to the one . But no , it's it's not it's not a nice way , I'm just saying . 3848.35 3848.62 3849.94 3851.13 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3847.181 3848.187 3847.24 3847.76 Yeah , I suppose . 3847.46 3847.76 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3848.37 3862.832 3848.46 3862.76 W You could you could when it's when you're doing a search , you could just like sort of zoom back out so you got the full text for that segment or that meeting , rather than a summary . 'Cause that's maybe what you'd want if you were a user . 3852.47 3858.6 3860.88 3862.76 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3860.826 3861.816 3860.96 3861.74 Hmm , maybe . 3861.32 3861.74 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3863.056 3869.232 3863.38 3869.18 Yeah , probably that actually true that if you're doing a search you're usually not interested in a condensed way but in the in the full thing anyway . 3863.61 3869.18 EN2001e A FEO066 0 3868.383 3868.948 3868.46 3868.89 Yes . 3868.89 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3869.319 3870.65 3869.36 3870.54 You could provide that option . 3870.54 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3869.688 3873.217 3869.71 3873.04 But you could d you can um achieve the same effect . 3873.04 EN2001e A FEO066 0 3871.062 3885.653 3871.062 3885.653 And you would otherwise it would be too complicated to cope with the thi uh system if you have to re-adjust it uh to a different zoom level to get better results . I mean it would behave strangely in the eyes of the user . 3881.81 3885.59 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3877.232 3877.7 3877.27 3877.63 Yeah . 3877.63 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3881.6 3894.024 3881.62 3893.96 Probably the way to handle that would be to make a summary that's the same length as the selection , and that would ensure that the search term came up . 3891.45 3893.96 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3882.775 3883.184 3882.8 3883.01 Hmm . 3883.01 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3885.16 3885.719 3885.25 3885.61 Mm . 3885.61 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3889.623 3890.288 3889.73 3890.19 Yeah . 3890.19 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3891.552 3892.136 3891.57 3892.06 Yeah . 3892.06 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3891.57 3892.129 3891.71 3892.01 Hmm . 3892.01 EN2001e E MEE068 4 3893.904 3895.078 3893.92 3894.96 Alright . Yeah . 3894.65 3894.96 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3895.452 3947.21 3895.62 3947.12 I think proportion like I even though I'm I'm always getting myself confused about this , but I think sort of making the summary length thing generally proportion , like as a as a proportional factor of of its original length is a good way of going about it . Because anything with absolute length's sort of stupid because that means that a long long segment gets to one percent of its length and another one gets to exactly the same length and stuff . So if we're doing it by a proportion then just having one point zero or something makes it very easy to always end up at the actually that's what I've currently like the current code just takes a tenth of the summary length . So yeah . And that's the type of slider that we can actually leave in and like show 'cause that's that's functionality . Yeah , that's sort of like your level of the zoom . Of impending doom . Shall we quit here ? Anything to be discussed ? 3899.86 3904.09 3908.85 3917.46 3929.21 3932.05 3937.07 3937.33 3940.96 3943.76 3945.51 3947.12 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3905.595 3906.127 3905.66 3906.07 Yeah . 3906.07 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3920.976 3921.998 3921.05 3921.89 Yeah , exactly . 3921.28 3921.89 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3927.856 3931.059 3927.88 3931.02 Yeah . But we'll have that slider obviously . 3929.21 3931.02 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3934.92 3936.907 3934.97 3936.82 Yeah , 'cause that's very useful thing . 3935.25 3936.82 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3945.344 3945.662 3945.36 3945.59 Yeah . 3945.59 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3951.303 3954.779 3951.32 3954.69 'Cause I'm gonna copy that stuff over . 3954.69 EN2001e D MEE067 3 3953.072 3958.98 3953.13 3958.87 Okay . And I'll start work in say two . Will it be done by then ? 3954.44 3958.04 3958.87 EN2001e B MEO069 1 3959.728 3963.613 3959.75 3963.58 Yeah , otherwise you'll you'll definitely see me in M_S_N_ . So I'll just 3959.99 3961.88 EN2002a D MEE071 3 0.0 1.901 0.37 1.74 Funky sh stuff like that . 1.74 EN2002a A MEE073 0 0.944 7.068 0.96 6.85 Wonder how much of the meetings is talking about the stuff at the meetings . Yeah . 6.65 6.85 EN2002a C FEO072 2 3.492 5.446 3.58 5.38 Yeah , exactly , yeah yeah yeah . 3.84 4.31 5.38 EN2002a D MEE071 3 3.612 12.288 3.612 12.13 Yeah . Yeah . Look at all this stuff man . Okay . Right . 4.68 5.4 8.72 11.83 12.13 EN2002a B FEO070 1 7.891 9.005 7.891 8.95 Okay . 8.95 EN2002a B FEO070 1 12.133 15.434 12.32 15.434 So what do we need to talk about ? 15.22 EN2002a C FEO072 2 13.12 13.722 13.2 13.722 Should we - EN2002a D MEE071 3 14.959 15.625 14.98 15.625 Has anybody - EN2002a C FEO072 2 15.109 25.264 15.21 25.22 Well should we just go around and everyone says what they d what they've been doing , how far they've got . Well I hope so . 19.23 24.17 25.22 EN2002a D MEE071 3 19.008 23.804 19.08 23.804 Has anybody done anything ? 23.69 EN2002a A MEE073 0 21.4 23.328 21.47 23.29 Not a lot . No . 23.11 23.29 EN2002a A MEE073 0 25.344 30.166 25.5 30.166 Hmm . Okay . Sounds like you've done some stuff . So 26.44 27.07 28.2 EN2002a B FEO070 1 25.658 26.208 25.76 26.15 Yeah . 26.15 EN2002a D MEE071 3 27.792 30.281 27.792 30.281 You better start . 29.9 EN2002a C FEO072 2 27.879 34.652 27.879 34.41 Okay . Well I've got a browser now , which Whoops . Already gone . 30.57 32.35 33.85 34.41 EN2002a B FEO070 1 28.016 30.737 28.016 30.737 Uh - EN2002a B FEO070 1 32.416 32.807 32.53 32.71 Yeah . 32.71 EN2002a A MEE073 0 32.484 32.871 32.58 32.71 'Kay . 32.71 EN2002a B FEO070 1 34.048 45.728 34.048 45.5 Good start . Oh , I don't mind as well . This wasn't a good start . 38.05 38.24 43.72 45.5 EN2002a C FEO072 2 36.272 36.73 36.34 36.6 Mm-hmm . 36.6 EN2002a C FEO072 2 40.912 44.309 40.912 44.309 Yeah . 44.13 EN2002a D MEE071 3 41.523 43.57 41.523 43.42 Good at this . 43.42 EN2002a B FEO070 1 48.256 50.252 48.29 50.06 Okay . Sorry . Yeah . 49.32 49.78 50.06 EN2002a C FEO072 2 48.704 49.128 48.72 49.02 Okay . 49.02 EN2002a C FEO072 2 50.192 66.96 50.38 66.81 So yeah . We've go a browser we've um which comes up automatically with a transcription box and the topics . And then when you go on the menu , you can select a summarisation box , which pops up , and an audio player . 51.42 59.35 60.98 63.94 65.11 66.81 EN2002a D MEE071 3 68.208 68.674 68.23 68.55 Right . 68.55 EN2002a C FEO072 2 68.768 84.808 68.79 84.75 Um and a s I think the search works as well , so you could pop up a search . And it loads up um just the background window is empty and um so when you start , you have to either open open a particular observation or do a search and open it through that . 71.52 73.04 79.75 84.75 EN2002a C FEO072 2 86.464 87.104 86.48 87.07 Does that make sense ? 87.07 EN2002a C FEO072 2 88.576 103.984 88.61 103.91 Um the transcription box has got a summarise but button , which doesn't do anything yet . Um now I wonder wh how we wanna do , you know , we want a pop-up window with the speaker characterisation . 94.0 96.03 100.33 101.44 103.91 EN2002a C FEO072 2 106.167 134.894 106.2 134.81 Um either we could do that you know , when does the pop-up come ? Either we can when you click on the the I_D_ , any sort of I_D_ in the transcription box , or we can put an extra button extra few buttons next to the summarise button so that you actually in the transcription box , but so like you click on a button and then that opens whatever that speaker characterisation is . The problem is the r the left-click is already used because it highlights that um 108.45 109.58 112.35 115.82 123.13 128.38 EN2002a D MEE071 3 106.183 106.808 106.38 106.62 D yeah . 106.62 EN2002a A MEE073 0 106.656 107.034 106.69 106.87 Hmm . 106.87 EN2002a C FEO072 2 136.526 160.784 136.62 160.74 that part of speech or whatever that what he's been saying , you know , the the left-click highlights it . So that you can I don't know what happens when you double-click actually , but that'd be a bit annoying if you have left-click for one thing and double-click for something else . Um I think so yeah , when you left-click it , you can for example set set the marker there so that the mm the audio goes from there , I think . 139.23 139.48 142.63 147.55 152.91 155.05 155.79 160.33 160.74 EN2002a D MEE071 3 138.752 140.615 138.78 140.55 The l the left-click or the right-click . 140.55 EN2002a B FEO070 1 140.852 141.176 140.88 141.12 Yeah . 141.12 EN2002a D MEE071 3 142.112 142.608 142.17 142.51 Right . 142.51 EN2002a B FEO070 1 142.533 144.113 142.58 144.113 Can you use double-click or - EN2002a B FEO070 1 152.304 152.832 152.4 152.8 Yeah , I don't know . 152.51 152.8 EN2002a C FEO072 2 162.621 168.784 162.68 168.75 Um so we can't put it on left-click . We could put it on a right-click . We could for example have a little menu that pops up . 164.34 166.38 168.75 EN2002a D MEE071 3 169.395 170.967 169.45 170.93 Yeah , it might be quite good , I suppose . Yeah . 169.64 170.39 170.81 170.93 EN2002a C FEO072 2 170.603 176.744 170.64 176.69 So right-click on at menu , you know , and you can click on speaker characterisation , up pops the window . 172.33 172.7 175.64 176.69 EN2002a D MEE071 3 176.896 179.888 176.92 179.68 What else could we have in the menu ? 179.68 EN2002a C FEO072 2 180.031 183.686 180.031 183.64 That's a good point . I don't know . Nothing else . 181.7 182.96 183.64 EN2002a D MEE071 3 181.36 186.992 181.36 186.992 Okay . So otherwise you just have a right-click or do you have have a 183.02 EN2002a A MEE073 0 181.896 186.554 181.896 185.98 Hmm . Everything . Yeah . Hmm . 183.72 185.17 185.9 185.98 EN2002a B FEO070 1 182.382 186.625 182.382 186.42 Yeah . 186.42 EN2002a C FEO072 2 185.003 197.929 185.12 197.89 Yeah , yeah , but um I don't know about you , but uh usually in Windows right-click doesn't do anything , does it ? It opens a menu . Yeah , so yeah . So but that'd be yeah . If you just yeah . 185.59 185.92 187.78 190.99 191.36 192.81 193.22 195.09 196.85 197.89 EN2002a D MEE071 3 190.064 190.803 190.08 190.65 Is a window . 190.65 EN2002a D MEE071 3 192.244 198.112 192.31 198.112 A menu , yeah yeah . Yeah , it's why . And so it might be a bit weird the fir to just start bringing up stuff and then it 192.65 193.24 193.37 194.05 EN2002a B FEO070 1 192.969 193.426 192.99 193.426 And then - EN2002a A MEE073 0 194.801 202.672 194.85 202.672 Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . To just have the sort of main same sort of idiom throughout kinda . So 196.63 198.0 198.45 202.42 EN2002a C FEO072 2 202.096 202.609 202.12 202.49 Yeah . 202.49 EN2002a D MEE071 3 203.232 203.625 203.25 203.55 Yeah . 203.55 EN2002a A MEE073 0 203.904 204.32 203.92 204.27 Hmm . 204.27 EN2002a C FEO072 2 204.624 206.656 204.64 206.61 Um or just , you know , or just the button . 205.39 205.69 206.61 EN2002a A MEE073 0 207.584 207.904 207.6 207.8 Yeah . 207.8 EN2002a B FEO070 1 207.682 220.594 207.74 220.56 I guess a button button makes a bit more sense , 'cause otherwise you don't really know that , oh , what if I right-click now , what happens then ? It's like more if it's visual . Yeah . 210.77 214.53 215.55 217.27 217.98 220.21 220.56 EN2002a C FEO072 2 218.249 221.616 218.28 221.616 Well no no , you still have the menu the menu pop up that 218.94 EN2002a A MEE073 0 218.336 218.879 218.41 218.7 Hmm . 218.7 EN2002a D MEE071 3 218.906 221.491 218.99 221.491 Yeah . Yeah . It's more 219.6 220.78 EN2002a C FEO072 2 223.005 231.402 223.03 231.24 Well oh , yeah . It's more obvious , isn't it , w what you can do . Yeah . Yeah , that's right . That's true , yeah , it's more intuitive really , isn't it ? 223.57 224.15 224.86 225.24 226.83 227.81 228.08 229.16 229.6 229.83 230.84 231.24 EN2002a B FEO070 1 224.884 225.682 224.94 225.682 Do you see my - EN2002a D MEE071 3 225.046 232.465 225.08 232.465 It's more idiot proof , isn't it . It's got a button . 226.1 226.51 232.04 EN2002a A MEE073 0 228.148 240.528 228.148 240.42 Yeah . Yeah . But then it's not as extensible . Like if we wanna add more things in the future , then we have to well , new buttons . I don't know . Whereas a menu type thing is more flexible that way . But We're probably not gonna be adding too many things . 229.8 230.5 231.88 233.36 234.11 234.63 234.92 238.04 240.42 EN2002a B FEO070 1 228.144 229.592 228.18 229.592 Yeah . 228.9 EN2002a B FEO070 1 231.168 233.12 231.19 233.09 But well , we we can have both , but whatever . 231.75 232.52 233.09 EN2002a C FEO072 2 234.4 236.816 234.4 236.76 Maybe , maybe . 236.37 236.76 EN2002a D MEE071 3 234.539 235.428 234.62 235.39 Add more buttons . 235.39 EN2002a D MEE071 3 238.816 252.335 238.9 252.335 Yeah . Well in uh I guess in in In meeting browser one point one , you can have a menu instead of a button but this why I don't think it Yeah . 239.28 243.37 251.95 EN2002a A MEE073 0 242.876 249.289 242.876 249.289 Okay , exactly . I know , I know . True , true . Yes . 243.31 243.81 244.16 245.16 245.56 247.46 249.04 EN2002a C FEO072 2 245.6 260.229 245.6 260.07 In the beta version . Um but actually what we could do is on in that menu as well we could have an option that pops up a window with all the all the meetings that that user has been in . 250.14 260.07 EN2002a A MEE073 0 261.12 261.561 261.15 261.44 Hmm . 261.44 EN2002a C FEO072 2 261.264 266.88 261.35 266.88 Like a search for that user . Is that gonna be useful or too much ? Or 264.38 266.35 EN2002a D MEE071 3 263.392 264.112 263.41 263.8 Yep . 263.8 EN2002a D MEE071 3 267.6 273.063 267.62 272.9 I guess so . So what did you part of the m the menu that comes down , it says give me all your meetings or something . 268.07 270.57 272.9 EN2002a C FEO072 2 272.688 279.184 272.71 279.184 Yeah , so y when you right-click on it , one one option will be give me all your meetings , characterise the speaker 273.23 275.01 278.05 EN2002a D MEE071 3 280.064 280.816 280.12 280.54 Yep . 280.54 EN2002a C FEO072 2 284.064 285.389 284.08 285.28 Or is that too much I mean ? 285.28 EN2002a B FEO070 1 285.016 290.366 285.11 290.29 Yeah , um I don't I mean it w it's more like part of the 285.27 EN2002a D MEE071 3 286.0 289.072 286.06 289.072 I guess so . It's an idea . Get to use my pen . 286.71 287.89 288.85 EN2002a B FEO070 1 291.744 302.538 291.76 302.42 browsing sort of thingy . More than the speaker characterisation , as m Steve mentioned . Um , I don't really know how to involve the speaker characterisation into the browsing . 293.82 296.62 297.82 298.08 302.42 EN2002a C FEO072 2 296.794 299.576 296.86 299.48 Yeah . Yeah , that's true , yeah . Yeah . 297.78 298.03 298.41 299.09 299.48 EN2002a A MEE073 0 298.614 299.906 298.67 299.81 Hmm . Yeah . 299.48 299.81 EN2002a C FEO072 2 300.992 304.04 301.01 304.04 Yeah , that's true . It'd nice to have it inconnec interconnected like 301.27 301.63 EN2002a A MEE073 0 301.431 302.44 301.45 302.44 Actually , 302.3 EN2002a A MEE073 0 303.344 319.577 303.36 319.49 Yeah , but maybe tie that in with dialogue acts or something as well . I mean speaker characterisation tied into I don't know . Di Just some way to sort of leverage that information . Like we have it , we're doing it , but what how does it help the browsing ? Or what can it give us in the browsing ? Yeah . Yeah . 303.78 306.33 308.99 311.4 312.34 313.12 315.47 317.89 319.23 319.49 EN2002a C FEO072 2 316.592 319.848 316.61 319.76 Or you mean the the speaker characterisation ? Oh well , yeah , I mean , 318.55 319.14 319.46 319.76 EN2002a C FEO072 2 321.36 332.498 321.38 332.498 I don't know about that . I mean it's the speaker characterisation is a bit like you said . I mean it's like a nice thing . We don't we're not actually sure what the user wants with it , but it's interesting , so why not give it to him . 322.39 325.07 327.31 329.83 330.99 332.37 EN2002a A MEE073 0 325.882 326.302 325.97 326.17 Hmm . 326.17 EN2002a D MEE071 3 332.72 333.36 332.74 333.21 Yeah yeah . 333.21 EN2002a A MEE073 0 333.28 333.641 333.3 333.54 Right . 333.54 EN2002a B FEO070 1 333.824 334.234 333.87 334.234 Yeah , well 333.96 EN2002a C FEO072 2 334.064 335.554 334.08 335.554 I I think we should do it . I mean 335.13 EN2002a B FEO070 1 335.36 356.421 335.38 356.33 Yeah . I mean I guess maybe we could have that as another thing of like , well if you get the speaker characterisation that someone s talks a lot in uh a certain topic , and then if you , I don't know , click on that topic , you get everything that's in that topic or whatever . And in that way but I don't know . 336.48 341.02 347.49 348.97 349.49 350.39 354.95 356.33 EN2002a C FEO072 2 354.576 364.288 354.75 364.19 Yeah , I mean that's that's still another level further . I mean we're not even there yet . You know , it doesn't even doesn't even pop up the speaker characterisation yet . Y we have to first define what what happens when you click on a user . 354.92 357.13 358.49 358.73 361.32 364.19 EN2002a B FEO070 1 358.816 359.915 358.85 359.83 No no no . Yeah . 359.5 359.83 EN2002a D MEE071 3 359.409 360.175 359.54 359.86 Oh yeah . 359.86 EN2002a D MEE071 3 364.24 370.759 364.43 370.759 We have to have a speaker characterisation first before we cross any of the other bridges . So yeah , there you go . 368.13 368.56 370.31 EN2002a C FEO072 2 366.855 372.016 366.96 372.016 Yeah . Yes . So should we try try to do a right-click when you then 367.98 369.33 EN2002a A MEE073 0 367.28 369.297 367.39 369.14 Yeah . True , yeah . 368.44 368.95 369.14 EN2002a D MEE071 3 374.704 376.368 374.72 376.28 Yeah . Alright . Why not . 375.49 375.98 376.28 EN2002a B FEO070 1 376.205 376.554 376.27 376.43 Yeah . 376.43 EN2002a A MEE073 0 376.216 388.011 376.29 387.86 Is that just from the main main window ? Is that is that from any particular window , like if we wanna sorta get like if we were on the users versus like topic or something , have a right-click from for these various things to yeah . 378.44 380.49 385.3 387.86 EN2002a C FEO072 2 377.846 378.25 377.93 378.14 Sorry ? 378.14 EN2002a D MEE071 3 378.096 379.472 378.12 379.41 Even if only one thing comes up . 379.41 EN2002a C FEO072 2 385.648 405.007 385.7 405.007 Yeah . Yes . Wait . Yeah , there's a second thing about the topics , the topic window . We wanna somehow click be able to click on a topic and it pops up with all the meetings that contain that . Yeah ? So we could do that in a similar way , do it right-click as well . And to have a different menu for our 386.86 387.53 387.86 388.16 390.23 391.2 398.59 399.55 401.06 402.78 EN2002a A MEE073 0 397.648 399.278 397.67 399.22 Right , yeah . Yep . 398.09 399.03 399.22 EN2002a B FEO070 1 398.16 398.613 398.18 398.42 Yeah . 398.42 EN2002a D MEE071 3 399.945 404.982 400.01 404.982 Okay . So and so this lot is for um 401.43 EN2002a A MEE073 0 402.256 403.119 402.28 403.05 Okay , yeah . 402.81 403.05 EN2002a A MEE073 0 404.174 406.818 404.26 406.71 Now it's consistent throughout . So , yeah . 405.82 406.55 406.71 EN2002a C FEO072 2 406.128 406.528 406.15 406.49 Yeah . 406.49 EN2002a D MEE071 3 406.816 408.288 406.91 408.09 On the t speaker . 408.09 EN2002a C FEO072 2 409.584 424.16 409.63 424.13 So yeah . So we have basically two options of of browsing the meetings is by either um searching and opening individual observations . And when then we have the interlinking by right-click basically . 411.28 420.77 424.13 EN2002a D MEE071 3 410.294 411.934 410.33 411.81 And then this lot is on th - EN2002a A MEE073 0 424.512 424.904 424.58 424.81 Right . 424.81 EN2002a A MEE073 0 426.08 462.768 426.11 462.71 Actually yeah , like um another common thing , like if we have it so it's set up that um if you double-click and it goes to a default thing on the menu , I mean that's kind of a typical kinda action that would happen . If you double-click on a particular topic or something , then it goes to sort of a like a default view , so it'll be like all the um cases of that topic , either whatever we decide the default to be , whether it's in all meetings or just in one meeting , and just show up the the particular instances of that topic in a meeting . Like I'm just thinking to have the default there , so if somebody knows exactly what they wanna do and we know that that's the most common thing that's gonna happen , so the double-click will do that and so save them the trouble of right-clicking and choosing the item on the menu . 426.98 428.16 432.6 436.22 438.14 441.06 444.34 446.5 448.82 452.91 454.49 458.89 462.71 EN2002a C FEO072 2 435.34 436.016 435.4 436.016 Double-click - EN2002a C FEO072 2 440.665 441.241 440.7 441.11 Oh . 441.11 EN2002a C FEO072 2 452.518 454.72 452.56 454.72 Hmm . 454.66 EN2002a C FEO072 2 458.988 460.033 459.07 459.91 Yeah . 459.91 EN2002a C FEO072 2 462.768 466.992 462.79 466.992 I don't see there's anything obvious that was that would be able , you know , that would be 466.1 466.34 EN2002a B FEO070 1 462.856 463.388 462.9 463.26 Yeah . 463.26 EN2002a A MEE073 0 466.0 469.36 466.05 469.33 Well , it might come to us as we start playing with it . 466.5 469.33 EN2002a B FEO070 1 469.392 469.793 469.41 469.71 Yeah . 469.71 EN2002a D MEE071 3 469.459 471.681 469.52 471.681 What was that ? I didn't quite understand . Do you mean 470.16 471.16 EN2002a A MEE073 0 471.379 482.852 471.44 482.75 Um like we have the the right-click menu . You'll have the menu , right-click it , but instead of like have a default double-click , so if there's a de so it'll be a choice from the menu but yeah , exactly . Yeah . 473.55 474.28 475.02 478.14 481.23 482.53 482.75 EN2002a B FEO070 1 471.824 472.702 471.86 472.57 Uh just let th - EN2002a D MEE071 3 473.664 474.26 473.68 474.12 Yeah . 474.12 EN2002a D MEE071 3 478.192 484.12 478.21 484.06 Oh , so and it figures out what's the most common use to double-click . Oh . Okay . 478.45 483.42 483.63 484.06 EN2002a B FEO070 1 478.578 478.985 478.66 478.94 Yep . 478.94 EN2002a B FEO070 1 481.549 481.965 481.62 481.86 Yeah . 481.86 EN2002a B FEO070 1 483.601 487.892 483.7 487.84 Like , I don't know , show the speaker characterisation for instance . Or just I don't know . 483.97 484.42 486.84 487.84 EN2002a A MEE073 0 486.064 486.507 486.08 486.38 Yeah . 486.38 EN2002a C FEO072 2 486.295 493.992 486.35 493.85 Yeah , but then then there's the problem with a lot of windows popping up again . And they pop up without you even being quite sure what it is , you know what I mean ? 486.6 490.16 493.37 493.85 EN2002a D MEE071 3 486.521 486.968 486.57 486.93 Yeah . 486.93 EN2002a A MEE073 0 491.552 492.113 491.57 491.97 Hmm . 491.97 EN2002a A MEE073 0 494.528 497.348 494.7 497.2 Yeah . Yeah . 496.88 497.2 EN2002a B FEO070 1 496.24 502.08 496.26 502.03 But if you do double-click on something , don't you expect something to happen then ? 498.32 502.03 EN2002a A MEE073 0 501.696 502.213 501.72 501.99 Hmm . 501.99 EN2002a C FEO072 2 502.313 504.618 502.313 504.5 Yeah , maybe . Mm . Hmm . 503.05 503.2 504.18 504.5 EN2002a B FEO070 1 503.408 505.244 503.47 505.18 Sort of well , I don't know . 504.78 505.18 EN2002a D MEE071 3 504.502 518.886 504.56 518.63 Sometimes you do it by accident though . You , oh go away . Stop coming up . Yeah . No . Yeah , yeah , oh yeah . T throw stuff throwing out the window . 505.74 505.9 507.17 509.01 511.26 513.64 513.99 514.42 514.84 518.63 EN2002a B FEO070 1 506.512 510.387 506.512 510.387 Yeah . 510.22 EN2002a C FEO072 2 506.611 530.592 506.611 530.592 Especially if you have a touch-pad . It just goes oh . Well I'll I'll check what it does on on um double-click at the moment . 'Cause I think it might do something . But but yeah , mm but I don't I don't I d really don't see anything obvious that that would 513.19 517.63 521.98 523.54 526.55 EN2002a A MEE073 0 506.729 512.746 506.86 512.746 Yeah , exactly . Well then they close it . Yeah . You know , it's not it's not the end of the world . 507.12 507.87 508.71 509.01 509.88 512.45 EN2002a A MEE073 0 513.659 517.922 513.659 517.8 Yeah , . Yeah . 517.59 517.59 517.8 EN2002a B FEO070 1 521.6 527.339 521.62 527.339 Yeah . Yeah , uh that was good start . 522.56 523.6 526.54 EN2002a A MEE073 0 521.733 522.235 521.78 522.08 Okay . 522.08 EN2002a D MEE071 3 526.731 527.406 526.91 527.2 Yep . 527.2 EN2002a C FEO072 2 532.304 533.737 532.32 533.737 I mean if you can think of something that - EN2002a A MEE073 0 534.848 535.248 534.848 535.248 . 535.248 EN2002a B FEO070 1 537.152 537.632 537.17 537.59 I don't know . 537.59 EN2002a C FEO072 2 538.656 539.276 538.68 539.14 Sorry . 539.14 EN2002a B FEO070 1 542.304 544.691 542.34 544.691 I guess it depends on the - EN2002a B FEO070 1 546.256 549.296 546.29 548.83 Yeah , what you're clicking on . Obviously . 546.69 548.23 548.83 EN2002a C FEO072 2 548.592 556.644 548.61 556.57 Sorry . Um yeah , another thing . Single audio files . Do we wanna use them or not ? 549.43 550.42 553.68 555.55 556.57 EN2002a A MEE073 0 549.808 550.17 549.83 550.0 Hmm . 550.0 EN2002a D MEE071 3 558.608 561.76 558.63 561.57 We don't know yet do we , I don't think . Do you mean the single channel ? 559.62 560.45 561.57 EN2002a C FEO072 2 561.661 565.392 561.75 565.392 Yeah , single channel that's single channel files . Do we want them ? I mean 562.02 563.88 564.82 EN2002a B FEO070 1 561.906 562.619 561.93 562.52 Single channel . 562.52 EN2002a A MEE073 0 562.539 563.14 562.59 562.97 Mm . 562.97 EN2002a D MEE071 3 565.792 575.046 565.81 575.0 Probably not , but we might need them for disfluencies , if we try do it in audio . But at the moment , no . But yeah . 566.38 569.14 570.88 572.26 572.56 575.0 EN2002a B FEO070 1 566.937 567.428 567.01 567.33 No . 567.33 EN2002a A MEE073 0 569.255 571.56 569.35 571.22 Well , yeah . 570.79 571.22 EN2002a C FEO072 2 569.198 578.369 569.35 578.369 Yeah , okay , yeah , yeah . I mean we might use them while wo to work with them , but do we wanna integrate them in so that when you browse you can here's 569.73 570.27 570.65 570.83 573.67 EN2002a D MEE071 3 577.746 581.096 577.91 580.99 We might want to be able to say oh , just give me what that person's saying . 579.35 580.99 EN2002a C FEO072 2 581.267 585.772 581.38 585.66 Do you though ? I mean it's not gonna make much sense if you don't listen to it on its own d do you ? Does it ? 581.75 585.3 585.66 EN2002a B FEO070 1 581.904 582.944 581.94 582.6 No . 582.6 EN2002a D MEE071 3 585.04 589.912 585.06 589.8 Unless um you can't hear it properly or something . Somebody's talking over somebody else or something . Well p 587.36 589.39 EN2002a D MEE071 3 590.904 594.016 590.95 593.98 W we just say no for now and put it in later or something . Yeah , yeah . 593.65 593.81 593.98 EN2002a C FEO072 2 592.819 594.696 592.9 594.65 No , hmm . Yeah . 593.34 594.32 594.65 EN2002a C FEO072 2 595.936 596.393 595.97 596.28 Yeah . 596.28 EN2002a D MEE071 3 596.784 603.344 596.8 603.31 Yeah , 'cause otherwise it will the it will increase the amount of data we need by a lot , won't it ? Therefore print will be bigger . 597.06 600.73 602.16 603.31 EN2002a C FEO072 2 601.52 601.952 601.54 601.88 Yeah . 601.88 EN2002a A MEE073 0 604.304 604.736 604.34 604.66 Mm-hmm . 604.66 EN2002a C FEO072 2 606.676 607.491 606.79 607.491 Um - EN2002a C FEO072 2 609.792 616.338 610.05 616.22 Yeah , wh what do people think in general about the windows cluttering that he's mentioned ? Do you think do you think it's really that bad ? 610.27 614.1 616.22 EN2002a A MEE073 0 615.253 620.774 615.253 620.63 I think we probably need that , though to have the f the full flexibility , we need to have that there , but um yeah . 616.58 618.38 619.63 620.63 EN2002a C FEO072 2 618.025 626.249 618.025 626.249 That's what I feel as well . I mean I'm I'm very much I w I wanna have everything customisable . Um 620.25 625.66 EN2002a A MEE073 0 625.056 625.428 625.1 625.31 Mm-hmm . 625.31 EN2002a A MEE073 0 626.326 636.583 626.35 636.5 Although the thing is typically though , is someone gonna have five windows open at the same time , probably not . Probably just two or two or three of whatever whatever they're looking at , like dialogue acts , to whatever , characterisations . 627.61 629.74 630.8 633.75 634.61 635.81 636.5 EN2002a C FEO072 2 630.976 647.933 631.0 647.83 Probably not , no . Yeah . Two or three maybe , but yeah . But yeah , it depends , I mean I I really wanna put the summary in somewhere , you know . And the summary for example is typical . You open the window , you read through it , you might click on you know , close it again straight-away . But it'd be good to have it there . 631.45 631.86 632.71 633.52 635.46 635.99 636.51 638.65 639.68 641.39 642.92 643.63 644.72 646.53 647.83 EN2002a A MEE073 0 639.861 640.24 639.89 640.05 Hmm . 640.05 EN2002a D MEE071 3 646.151 649.938 646.21 649.69 Yeah . No , I think it's I think it's fine . Yeah . I think what we're doing is fine . 647.18 647.31 648.42 648.62 649.69 EN2002a A MEE073 0 646.564 647.647 646.58 647.27 Yeah , true . 647.11 647.27 EN2002a B FEO070 1 646.921 647.445 646.99 647.28 Yeah . 647.28 EN2002a B FEO070 1 648.32 656.432 648.34 656.36 But uh well , couldn't we I mean you probably I don't know if you wanna have like the the full transcription and the summary at the same time . 649.09 656.36 EN2002a B FEO070 1 657.536 663.521 657.56 663.43 So maybe you can just like choose the s same window for transcription and summary . 663.43 EN2002a A MEE073 0 661.93 662.448 661.99 662.36 Hmm . 662.36 EN2002a A MEE073 0 663.52 666.865 663.63 666.6 So like have a tab there ? For something like that choose on choose one . 664.73 666.6 EN2002a C FEO072 2 664.656 667.211 664.656 667.211 I was just thinking of tab . 667.07 EN2002a B FEO070 1 665.296 673.569 665.32 673.569 Yeah . Yeah . Tabs are nice . I like tabs . Yeah . 666.5 667.92 669.42 670.89 673.46 EN2002a D MEE071 3 669.12 671.56 669.14 671.31 Yeah , tabs are good . Mozilla style . Yeah . 669.31 669.91 671.05 671.31 EN2002a A MEE073 0 669.391 669.704 669.47 669.58 Yeah . 669.58 EN2002a C FEO072 2 670.123 675.128 670.15 675.09 That true . Yea yeah yeah yeah . That's right . I'm not sure yeah . 670.93 672.98 673.56 675.09 EN2002a B FEO070 1 674.86 678.218 674.88 678.218 I don't know how easy it is . But I dunno , but 675.98 677.81 EN2002a D MEE071 3 675.132 681.784 675.17 681.784 Does anybody know how to do that ? Or can you do that in Java ? I don't think Java knows how to do that really . Maybe yeah , you probably can . But but 676.2 676.99 679.02 679.57 680.26 EN2002a C FEO072 2 676.193 682.624 676.27 682.59 No . I don't know . Do you reckon ? I'm sure . I'm sure you could do anything . 677.74 678.16 680.28 681.45 682.59 EN2002a A MEE073 0 677.073 683.52 677.073 683.21 Oh you should be able to . Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . 679.92 681.34 682.97 683.21 EN2002a B FEO070 1 680.673 681.232 680.74 681.2 Yeah . 681.2 EN2002a D MEE071 3 682.912 690.656 682.94 690.57 If you really knew what you're doing . But I don't know . It's a bit of a cripple with Java's windowing tool-kit . The eight is sometimes it's a bit of a cripple . 684.04 684.6 687.85 690.57 EN2002a B FEO070 1 682.862 683.502 682.95 683.42 Yeah . 683.42 EN2002a C FEO072 2 689.685 690.352 689.73 690.28 Hmm . 690.28 EN2002a B FEO070 1 690.902 691.343 690.97 691.3 Yeah . 691.3 EN2002a C FEO072 2 691.904 692.864 691.93 692.8 I can have a look . 692.8 EN2002a D MEE071 3 694.112 694.512 694.14 694.45 Yeah . 694.45 EN2002a B FEO070 1 694.816 703.402 694.84 703.29 Yeah . Or just , I don't know . Yeah , uh change the contents of the same window , like from transcription to summary . 695.3 695.94 697.23 697.53 701.68 703.29 EN2002a C FEO072 2 696.904 698.839 696.94 698.76 But yeah , that that might be an idea , yeah . 697.34 698.42 698.76 EN2002a D MEE071 3 701.76 702.488 701.78 702.44 Yeah yeah . 702.44 EN2002a D MEE071 3 704.304 704.811 704.35 704.66 Yeah . 704.66 EN2002a B FEO070 1 704.5 705.263 704.53 704.96 Probably yeah . 704.96 EN2002a B FEO070 1 706.24 706.608 706.29 706.51 Hmm . 706.51 EN2002a A MEE073 0 707.744 712.583 707.76 712.51 Yeah , or even just have buttons on it , toggle buttons or something on the tool-bar for that window . 707.96 709.34 712.51 EN2002a C FEO072 2 713.12 713.625 713.14 713.48 Hmm . 713.48 EN2002a A MEE073 0 714.416 715.106 714.44 714.96 Just something . 714.96 EN2002a B FEO070 1 715.926 717.298 715.98 717.298 Yeah , yeah . That could probably 716.43 716.61 EN2002a A MEE073 0 716.004 720.854 716.04 720.74 A lot of different ways we can do it , it doesn't doesn't have to be a tab or whatever . Just gonna be yeah . Yeah . 717.02 718.99 720.58 720.74 EN2002a B FEO070 1 719.008 725.689 719.03 725.56 No , no , it could be like transcription summary , like two buttons and you just press on which ever you want . 719.36 719.67 722.11 725.56 EN2002a A MEE073 0 721.872 722.97 721.89 722.84 Yeah . Exactly . 722.15 722.84 EN2002a D MEE071 3 723.888 724.4 723.91 724.2 Yeah . 724.2 EN2002a A MEE073 0 725.053 729.632 725.07 729.57 Or check-marks . Even have two of 'em checked and send Yeah . Yeah . 725.76 729.25 729.57 EN2002a D MEE071 3 726.128 738.452 726.15 738.452 Yeah , that will reduce the number of um windows we needed , wouldn't it ? Which is quite good . 'Cause otherwise Photoshop has a lot of windows , if you ever use Photoshop it's got loads , and you're always g forever going no , get out of the way . There's always stuff in the way , isn't there . So 726.52 729.63 730.07 730.95 733.05 734.45 735.96 736.65 737.8 738.15 EN2002a B FEO070 1 727.077 727.546 727.19 727.46 Yeah . 727.46 EN2002a A MEE073 0 736.143 738.201 736.17 738.01 Yeah . Yeah , exactly . Yeah . 736.77 736.99 737.85 738.01 EN2002a B FEO070 1 739.008 740.912 739.06 740.82 Yeah . I don't like pop-ups . 739.67 740.82 EN2002a C FEO072 2 740.24 748.788 740.42 748.7 But I mean people get used to it , I mean when you use a Windows or Linux for that matter , you have a lot of windows open . And you manage them . 741.57 746.03 747.93 748.7 EN2002a D MEE071 3 741.328 741.663 741.39 741.58 Yeah . 741.58 EN2002a D MEE071 3 747.664 749.811 747.77 749.67 You do , yeah ? Yeah . 748.11 749.38 749.67 EN2002a A MEE073 0 747.764 748.217 747.85 748.15 Mm-hmm . 748.15 EN2002a A MEE073 0 749.361 749.798 749.45 749.7 Yeah . 749.7 EN2002a A MEE073 0 751.776 752.168 751.8 752.06 True . 752.06 EN2002a D MEE071 3 752.032 762.991 752.05 762.84 Yeah . Unless , can you I don't suppose you can minimise them and stuff like that Can you can you do that ? Okay , well it's alright then . Yeah . Of course you can actually , yeah , it's got everything . 753.52 753.76 758.88 759.13 760.47 760.88 761.77 761.96 762.84 EN2002a B FEO070 1 753.794 754.892 753.87 754.84 I guess that yeah . 754.84 EN2002a A MEE073 0 756.281 758.825 756.281 758.68 Oh yeah ? Okay . 758.4 758.68 EN2002a C FEO072 2 756.24 758.32 756.37 758.25 Yeah , you can minimise 'em . Yeah , yeah . 756.55 757.7 758.01 758.25 EN2002a A MEE073 0 761.26 779.632 761.36 779.47 Yeah . Yeah , like a lot of these can be , like once we get the disfluencies out , then we can you know , have transcript without the disfluency , transcript with the disfluent disfluency . Have all these , you know , have all these sort of using the same window and so we can put a lot of and probably mutually um whate distinct , yeah . Exclusive , yeah . 762.19 762.4 763.57 765.22 765.81 768.18 770.06 770.59 770.98 778.55 778.78 779.17 779.47 EN2002a B FEO070 1 762.263 762.745 762.35 762.63 Yeah . 762.63 EN2002a C FEO072 2 769.696 771.808 769.72 771.808 Yeah , that's true , they're they're definitely 769.86 770.36 EN2002a C FEO072 2 773.104 775.314 773.12 775.25 Yeah , they're definitely gonna be in the same window , yeah . 773.26 774.77 775.25 EN2002a B FEO070 1 777.744 778.284 777.78 778.21 He's close . 778.21 EN2002a C FEO072 2 778.181 782.768 778.22 782.73 Exclusive . Yeah , that that was the plan for the disfluencies anyway . So d 779.61 779.83 782.25 EN2002a A MEE073 0 781.888 782.298 781.91 782.14 Yeah . 782.14 EN2002a C FEO072 2 784.016 789.259 784.05 789.14 Yeah , do you wanna do that with summaries in ? Put the summaries in in the same window . 784.34 786.74 789.14 EN2002a C FEO072 2 790.224 791.456 790.24 791.456 Mutually exclusive with - EN2002a B FEO070 1 790.752 803.904 790.78 803.87 Yeah , um well could uh I don't know . Would transcripts uh b sounds reasonable to have like transcripts like maybe three alternatives then . Like full meeting , meeting without disfluencies , and summarise . 791.1 793.7 799.97 801.45 802.76 803.87 EN2002a A MEE073 0 795.712 796.169 795.73 796.03 Hmm . 796.03 EN2002a A MEE073 0 800.336 800.794 800.36 800.68 Right . 800.68 EN2002a C FEO072 2 803.184 806.72 803.21 806.63 Summary . Yeah , you wanna do that ? Yeah . 804.11 804.75 806.36 806.63 EN2002a A MEE073 0 804.448 805.904 804.47 805.87 Yeah , that kinda makes sense . 805.1 805.87 EN2002a B FEO070 1 805.888 806.369 805.91 806.13 Yeah . 806.13 EN2002a D MEE071 3 806.848 808.048 806.87 807.93 Yeah , sounds good . 807.12 807.93 EN2002a B FEO070 1 810.224 811.64 810.37 811.43 Um yeah . 811.43 EN2002a C FEO072 2 816.528 822.415 816.58 822.38 And finally the prototype he spoke about . What kind of prototype could we produce ? 820.25 822.38 EN2002a A MEE073 0 823.056 824.04 823.08 823.95 By the end of February . 823.95 EN2002a C FEO072 2 824.248 836.571 824.27 836.48 Because I'm I'm just , you know , I go into the lab and I say right , what am I gonna change today . You know ? And it kind of just it just develops , I'm not aiming for anything . Do we wanna aim for something ? 825.71 826.04 827.43 828.76 829.66 832.21 835.21 836.48 EN2002a A MEE073 0 828.703 830.246 828.703 830.07 Okay , right . 829.57 830.07 EN2002a D MEE071 3 837.76 839.04 837.78 839.04 Um - EN2002a C FEO072 2 841.452 846.866 841.51 846.76 I'm I'm pretty much getting there anyway , to be honest . It's not it's not gonna be a lot more work . 843.46 844.17 846.76 EN2002a A MEE073 0 844.864 845.218 844.91 845.07 Yeah . 845.07 EN2002a B FEO070 1 846.608 856.546 846.63 856.32 I guess it is . I mean just to try it and I mean for us to to be able to do something that we can include with your thing so so eas yeah . Yeah . 847.19 856.03 856.32 EN2002a A MEE073 0 854.529 856.233 854.58 856.08 Yeah . Mm-hmm . Yeah . 855.25 855.85 856.08 EN2002a D MEE071 3 854.627 860.291 854.7 860.17 Yeah , that's what we need , yeah . Something just slightly more than just that on its own . Yep . 855.01 855.71 856.53 859.83 860.17 EN2002a C FEO072 2 856.427 856.912 856.5 856.82 Oh . 856.82 EN2002a C FEO072 2 858.448 858.975 858.47 858.85 Hmm . 858.85 EN2002a A MEE073 0 858.495 859.888 858.54 859.888 Yeah , so we can plug it in and 858.87 EN2002a B FEO070 1 858.8 864.877 858.82 864.73 Yeah . Yeah . Just so see the integration works sort of between the different compo 860.08 860.73 EN2002a C FEO072 2 865.017 865.881 865.12 865.75 Mm true . 865.75 EN2002a D MEE071 3 865.344 866.528 865.36 866.42 Yep , definitely . 865.91 866.42 EN2002a B FEO070 1 866.816 867.517 866.84 867.517 Um - EN2002a A MEE073 0 868.432 868.944 868.45 868.89 Hmm . 868.89 EN2002a B FEO070 1 868.864 871.094 868.88 871.01 So I guess that's what we need to aim for . 871.01 EN2002a D MEE071 3 870.913 876.278 870.94 876.15 I think that's kinda as well , isn't it really ? Seeing it seeing it sort of start to do stuff rather than just be 872.44 873.14 EN2002a B FEO070 1 872.741 873.165 872.78 873.07 Yeah . 873.07 EN2002a C FEO072 2 876.256 877.52 876.35 877.47 Oh right , I see . Hmm . 876.77 877.24 877.47 EN2002a A MEE073 0 877.632 878.113 877.67 877.97 Mm-hmm . 877.97 EN2002a D MEE071 3 878.0 879.376 878.02 879.21 a prototype with a GUI . 879.21 EN2002a B FEO070 1 879.296 888.788 879.32 888.67 Yeah . Well if I guess I mean that was probably our intention , but we might not have written it down . So I guess I know . 880.04 884.05 886.28 888.67 EN2002a D MEE071 3 886.384 890.096 886.42 890.096 Yeah , yeah . Yeah . 886.71 887.21 889.76 EN2002a A MEE073 0 887.171 887.657 887.36 887.45 Hmm . 887.45 EN2002a B FEO070 1 890.697 891.392 890.84 891.2 Yeah . 891.2 EN2002a A MEE073 0 891.952 906.018 891.97 906.018 Actually is the code accessible , like the the GUI stuff that you've done , yeah . Like can we just like copy like the latest stuff out of your directory , somewhere ? Or Like if we're gonna just try and like take a look or something , try and just plug some stuff I think you can if 894.12 896.16 896.41 899.82 900.1 903.8 EN2002a C FEO072 2 900.352 905.264 900.41 905.264 Um probably not . I don't know , can you access other people's 903.34 903.74 EN2002a D MEE071 3 904.988 907.902 905.04 907.85 You can make it if you make it world readable , then anybody can access it . 906.78 907.85 EN2002a A MEE073 0 907.296 912.782 907.32 912.782 Well , if you just tell us the directory and just make the file readable , then we c know the directory to get in then and just 907.55 910.35 EN2002a D MEE071 3 910.427 910.921 910.51 910.82 Yeah . 910.82 EN2002a C FEO072 2 912.432 917.435 912.45 917.35 Yeah , sure . I don't know if it's readable at the moment , but you can sure have a d have a look . 913.27 914.52 915.81 917.35 EN2002a A MEE073 0 913.6 915.128 913.62 915.06 That might be might be an idea . 915.06 EN2002a A MEE073 0 916.453 920.284 916.51 920.284 Yeah . I think by default they are I think really ? Or 917.05 919.85 EN2002a D MEE071 3 916.769 925.552 916.83 925.44 No , uh i i it no , they're not world-readable . It not the default they're only default then only you can read them by default . You can see them but you can't read them . 917.29 918.55 919.41 924.09 925.44 EN2002a B FEO070 1 918.171 918.695 918.33 918.63 Yeah . 918.63 EN2002a B FEO070 1 920.1 920.566 920.16 920.5 Alright . 920.5 EN2002a A MEE073 0 922.452 924.24 922.51 924.21 Yeah . Okay . 923.82 924.21 EN2002a C FEO072 2 923.504 924.354 923.63 924.22 Alright . 924.22 EN2002a C FEO072 2 925.52 932.511 925.57 932.511 'Kay . Right , well I'll make that readable then . Um so the directory is my number 926.32 926.5 928.84 EN2002a A MEE073 0 925.623 926.646 925.65 926.53 Okay , alright . 926.26 926.53 EN2002a A MEE073 0 927.808 928.325 927.86 928.13 Okay . 928.13 EN2002a D MEE071 3 927.925 928.51 927.99 928.35 Yeah . 928.35 EN2002a A MEE073 0 932.56 936.306 932.61 936.27 Or you could just email to us . Okay , yeah , yeah , okay , right . Yeah , right , okay . 933.98 934.26 934.47 934.66 934.93 935.31 935.81 936.0 936.27 EN2002a C FEO072 2 934.597 946.848 934.69 946.77 Well , this is not difficult . It's in all the emails . Not O_ four . O_ four , five five five , 934.81 937.81 939.53 943.25 945.85 946.77 EN2002a D MEE071 3 936.402 937.703 936.42 937.61 What's your number ? 937.61 EN2002a A MEE073 0 937.277 937.861 937.277 937.79 Okay . 937.79 EN2002a A MEE073 0 939.101 943.968 939.19 943.968 Yeah . Yes . 940.5 943.74 EN2002a D MEE071 3 939.747 941.64 940.0 941.64 Okay , your number . 940.46 941.35 EN2002a D MEE071 3 943.856 944.455 943.95 944.34 Okay . 944.34 EN2002a C FEO072 2 948.496 949.28 948.52 949.06 six O_ . 949.06 EN2002a B FEO070 1 949.76 951.039 949.81 950.82 Say that again , O_ four . 950.34 950.82 EN2002a C FEO072 2 950.635 952.736 950.76 952.54 O_ four five five five six O_ . 952.54 EN2002a D MEE071 3 952.944 953.888 952.96 953.888 And then it's - EN2002a C FEO072 2 954.865 958.448 954.93 958.32 And then um there's a folder um N_L_S_S_D_ , 958.32 EN2002a D MEE071 3 958.592 959.44 958.83 959.4 N_L_S_S_D_ . 959.4 EN2002a C FEO072 2 959.52 962.032 959.54 961.82 and it's called the M_ browser . 961.82 EN2002a D MEE071 3 962.464 964.838 962.53 964.76 The M_ browser , for meeting . 964.01 964.76 EN2002a C FEO072 2 963.696 966.972 963.72 966.972 Yes , M_ for meeting . 964.46 966.33 EN2002a A MEE073 0 963.964 966.178 964.04 966.178 Lower case . 966.06 EN2002a D MEE071 3 966.037 982.736 966.037 982.736 Hope you hope you never have to look in my directory . It's just pure chaos . S Mine is serious chaos . Files everywhere . 968.61 969.96 980.11 982.36 EN2002a A MEE073 0 967.436 967.809 967.58 967.73 Yeah . 967.73 EN2002a C FEO072 2 969.883 976.032 970.01 975.86 Really . No , I'm I'm extremely organised , you see . I've got folders for everything . I love folders . 971.37 971.55 973.29 974.08 975.19 975.86 EN2002a B FEO070 1 975.534 976.176 975.61 976.13 Oh yeah . 976.13 EN2002a B FEO070 1 981.456 982.202 981.48 981.91 Mm . 981.91 EN2002a A MEE073 0 984.784 985.168 984.87 985.0 Hmm . 985.0 EN2002a B FEO070 1 986.224 986.871 986.33 986.73 Okay . 986.73 EN2002a C FEO072 2 986.183 989.377 986.53 989.29 Yep , so that's me done . Someone else wanna talk about their stuff ? 986.78 987.72 989.29 EN2002a D MEE071 3 991.853 994.841 991.94 994.841 Don't all jump at once . 994.73 EN2002a B FEO070 1 994.048 997.209 994.49 997.209 I could tell you what I done in S_P_ two . 996.97 EN2002a D MEE071 3 996.506 998.944 996.506 998.944 Yeah . 998.78 EN2002a A MEE073 0 996.643 999.328 996.643 999.328 Right . 999.13 EN2002a B FEO070 1 999.852 1011.632 999.98 1011.6 Oh um I don't know . I basi I s started like browsing a bit , just like trying to see if there's anything out there to use s sort of um just 1001.3 1004.5 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1009.827 1010.272 1009.94 1010.18 Mm-hmm . 1010.18 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1011.27 1013.155 1011.41 1013.155 W what where you doing again ? 1012.94 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1012.88 1024.863 1012.88 1024.863 yeah , searching , yeah well yeah . We're doing the . Yeah , yeah . So it just found a tutorial but i inverted search in indexing , but I haven't read it yet . But 1013.81 1014.49 1015.85 1016.85 1017.17 1017.92 1023.35 1024.59 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1012.749 1019.754 1012.9 1019.63 Um all the searching stuff . Like the the in inverted file stuff and um the next search query and all that . Hmm . 1014.89 1019.4 1019.63 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1013.83 1017.814 1013.83 1017.814 Yeah , what was on it . 1015.99 1017.31 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1014.982 1016.299 1015.18 1016.03 The search , okay . 1015.69 1016.03 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1018.96 1019.378 1018.98 1019.31 Okay . 1019.31 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1022.528 1031.671 1022.55 1031.49 Yeah . So you could probably just use that code , like that was behind the question she asked him earlier . Just You know , the re-using code and stuff was just like okay , good . 1023.57 1025.01 1027.31 1028.33 1030.96 1031.49 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1024.22 1024.854 1024.28 1024.76 Indexing . 1024.76 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1027.12 1029.076 1027.14 1029.01 Yeah . Yeah . 1028.68 1029.01 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1028.032 1028.849 1028.17 1028.75 Oh . 1028.75 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1030.06 1032.488 1030.11 1032.39 Oh right . Oh that's pretty much there , is it ? 1030.97 1032.01 1032.39 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1030.854 1031.224 1030.96 1031.12 Yeah . 1031.12 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1030.864 1033.673 1031.0 1033.43 Oh you found some code for it . For the inde 1032.74 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1032.794 1041.595 1032.81 1041.49 Yeah , well I don't know if it's usable . I uh can have a look th at it . But but I found some code for like from a tutorial about i indexing . Uh whatever . Yeah . 1033.2 1034.73 1036.09 1040.72 1041.33 1041.49 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1032.845 1034.063 1032.87 1034.063 Um apparently - EN2002a A MEE073 0 1035.481 1038.045 1035.59 1037.87 Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . 1036.24 1037.67 1037.87 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1035.74 1036.382 1035.83 1036.22 Alright . 1036.22 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1037.936 1038.924 1037.96 1038.924 Of making - EN2002a D MEE071 3 1039.685 1045.06 1039.77 1045.02 Alright . Cool , cool . So even if it doesn't work , you can jiggery pokery around and make it work . Y yeah . 1040.87 1041.09 1041.46 1042.35 1044.63 1045.02 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1040.688 1041.463 1040.71 1041.39 Oh great . 1041.39 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1040.799 1041.482 1041.03 1041.27 Yeah . 1041.27 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1044.133 1050.399 1044.22 1050.19 Yeah , probably . We'll probably still have to do some other file manage while , I don't know , creation . Messing around still , though . Yeah . 1044.52 1045.24 1047.58 1047.99 1048.72 1049.54 1050.03 1050.19 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1044.56 1045.424 1044.58 1045.29 Yeah , yeah . 1045.09 1045.29 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1048.232 1052.348 1048.33 1052.19 Yeah yeah . All sorts of nonsense . But yeah . By the basics is uh oh okay , that's good . 1049.23 1049.99 1050.59 1051.83 1052.19 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1050.543 1051.042 1050.61 1050.92 Yeah . 1050.92 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1051.965 1052.496 1052.0 1052.44 Yeah . 1052.44 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1052.013 1052.498 1052.11 1052.37 Yeah . 1052.37 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1053.12 1053.993 1053.14 1053.91 Yeah , that's handy . 1053.33 1053.91 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1053.768 1055.629 1053.768 1055.629 Yeah . Um 1055.13 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1054.336 1056.929 1054.67 1056.81 Um yeah , I guess that's it . 1056.03 1056.81 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1056.432 1058.129 1056.47 1058.01 So you think it shouldn't be too difficult ? 1058.01 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1059.789 1077.815 1060.17 1077.71 I don't know . Uh I'm I was a bit worried about when well when he talked about this with the mm file messing around with files . I mean uh how much do we actually need to do . Like extracting things from the X_M_L_ files and stuff to be able to do the indexing ? 1060.53 1068.54 1072.49 1077.71 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1076.032 1076.442 1076.05 1076.35 Hmm . 1076.35 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1077.904 1082.752 1077.96 1082.54 Oh , I see . Yeah . You have to convert it to some sort of format , I suppose . 1078.3 1079.29 1079.85 1082.09 1082.54 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1079.6 1080.212 1079.62 1080.05 Yeah . 1080.05 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1082.548 1082.968 1082.64 1082.85 Yeah . 1082.85 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1083.408 1103.665 1083.43 1103.62 I've been trying to g write something to read the X_M_L_ and get rid of it . And I can get rid of it , but I'm having trouble putting it anywhere else . So it will come up on the screen For the moment I haven't managed to put it into a vector or whatever in Java to play with it . But I guess it's not very difficult . Yeah , in Java , yeah . 1089.07 1089.97 1092.3 1100.41 1102.72 1102.87 1103.48 1103.62 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1092.395 1096.165 1092.52 1095.9 Huh ? Okay . Right . 1093.89 1095.5 1095.9 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1093.861 1096.33 1093.861 1096.13 Okay . 1096.13 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1099.6 1105.112 1099.62 1104.98 Okay . What are you writing in Java or yeah , okay . Yeah . 1101.19 1103.45 1104.83 1104.98 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1101.088 1101.689 1101.18 1101.5 Okay . 1101.5 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1103.872 1104.211 1103.91 1104.13 Right . 1104.13 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1104.704 1105.232 1104.75 1105.06 Yeah . 1105.06 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1106.16 1108.448 1106.16 1108.41 you know a bunch about file things . 1108.41 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1106.542 1116.416 1106.73 1116.38 I mean you should look at look have a look at the the browser code then , because um , you know , they already extract for example transcripts . Put it into a window at least . 1109.66 1111.23 1111.79 1115.09 1116.38 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1114.384 1117.6 1114.4 1117.5 Yeah yeah , I'm sure they do . Yeah . 1115.09 1116.62 1117.5 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1118.368 1119.168 1118.4 1119.0 Yeah , it's good idea . 1118.52 1119.0 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1119.344 1130.624 1119.4 1130.624 Yeah . Oh yeah , I will . I'm sure it's nothing difficult . I'm sure I'm making a meal of it at the moment actually . 1121.75 1122.35 1124.06 1125.04 1130.49 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1133.844 1148.486 1133.94 1148.486 Um yeah , I guess I mean it was a good point you had that like collaborating with the file things . I mean if you already started on on doing your stuff , I guess we can 1135.88 1143.47 1146.58 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1142.211 1142.663 1142.23 1142.56 Yeah . 1142.56 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1145.696 1147.552 1145.72 1147.52 Yeah , yeah . Absolutely , yeah . 1145.96 1146.67 1147.25 1147.52 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1148.829 1150.332 1148.9 1150.25 Should share as much as possible . 1150.25 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1150.157 1150.791 1150.22 1150.72 Yeah . 1150.72 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1150.736 1152.392 1150.78 1152.392 Mm-hmm , libraries . 1151.34 1152.04 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1152.704 1153.264 1152.75 1153.264 Yeah - EN2002a B FEO070 1 1153.325 1156.496 1153.38 1156.37 Yeah . Should we , I don't know , 1155.19 1155.9 1156.37 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1153.454 1153.816 1153.54 1153.71 Hmm . 1153.71 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1158.272 1169.808 1158.29 1169.72 meet up and see what we could do ? I mean , I don't know , see what you've done and see what we need when we know more of what we need maybe ? Or what do we need . Yeah . Yeah . 1159.8 1160.3 1160.81 1167.47 1168.42 1169.62 1169.72 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1164.608 1165.149 1164.63 1165.03 Yep . 1165.03 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1164.615 1171.992 1164.72 1171.96 Right . Yeah . Yeah . Yeah , exactly , exactly . So you're still working ? I see . 1167.35 1168.04 1168.48 1168.68 1169.43 1170.34 1171.72 1171.96 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1167.22 1186.732 1167.29 1186.69 Next week sometime , yeah . I actually haven't done anything this week 'cause this week's been manic . But well , whatever it was , last week then . The the the week as it as is rather than the proper week , do you know what I mean . Do you know that , it's been all a bit manic , the last m the last yeah . 1168.28 1168.52 1173.55 1178.04 1178.61 1180.27 1183.16 1183.67 1184.23 1185.32 1186.69 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1173.427 1175.772 1173.427 1175.772 Yep . Yeah . 1174.63 1175.6 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1173.467 1180.637 1173.63 1180.48 Yes , exactly , same . Yeah , I mean betwe um I sup yeah . Yeah . 1174.01 1174.51 1175.33 1175.56 1180.31 1180.48 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1175.054 1177.917 1175.26 1177.917 What do you mean ? This week's only two days old . 1175.65 1177.71 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1178.036 1180.647 1178.036 1180.647 Well - EN2002a C FEO072 2 1178.867 1180.645 1178.867 1180.645 Oh . 1180.16 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1184.088 1184.45 1184.15 1184.29 Right . 1184.29 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1185.76 1190.042 1185.78 1189.87 Well well you're in S_P_N_L_P_ and S_P_ two , right ? So yeah . Yeah , that's where I'm at . 1187.92 1188.36 1189.04 1189.35 1189.87 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1188.192 1196.064 1188.21 1196.03 Yeah , that's right , yeah . And then we had to do an I_R_P_ , whatever it was last week as well . Which is only a page long , but it's quite difficult to write a page . 1188.3 1188.66 1189.66 1192.26 1193.88 1194.7 1196.03 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1188.52 1188.93 1188.62 1188.85 Yep . 1188.85 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1193.869 1194.347 1193.94 1194.08 Hmm . 1194.08 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1196.48 1197.76 1196.51 1197.72 Yeah . Yeah , oh yeah . 1197.24 1197.41 1197.72 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1196.88 1201.949 1196.9 1201.85 Yeah . Oh that's complete rubbish anyway . Never mind . Just so stupid . 1197.72 1199.4 1200.83 1201.85 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1197.782 1210.466 1197.96 1210.466 More diffi it was , it wasn't marked , but it was I had to sit there and think about it for a bit , which is a bit irritating . Yeah , but S_P_N_L_P_ . Yeah . 1199.62 1200.21 1202.8 1204.27 1204.52 1207.74 1210.27 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1205.84 1207.961 1205.86 1207.961 Yeah , that's fun . 1206.37 1207.01 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1207.335 1210.42 1207.335 1210.28 Oh . 1210.28 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1209.296 1209.68 1209.32 1209.56 Oh yeah . 1209.56 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1210.896 1226.177 1211.16 1226.04 Okay . So . Yeah , I was thinking that we can probably get uh start attacking this seriously and then just um , yeah , hopefully have something by next week that we can sorta try integrating into the GUI . Okay . Think that should be possible . 1212.25 1212.71 1212.87 1218.56 1218.79 1223.58 1225.04 1226.04 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1211.785 1212.358 1211.82 1212.358 Um - EN2002a B FEO070 1 1214.144 1215.472 1214.16 1215.35 Yeah , we're gonna meet up . 1214.45 1215.35 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1216.016 1216.508 1216.04 1216.26 Yep . 1216.26 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1223.056 1223.536 1223.09 1223.45 Mm-hmm . 1223.45 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1223.888 1224.216 1223.91 1224.18 Yeah . 1224.18 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1224.768 1243.84 1225.1 1243.71 Well ye the browser as I use it now or as uh , you know , it was there when I took it um uses the um the N_X_T_ search to get the data out of the out the files , which I think is odd , but I'm not quite sure how it works yet . I don't quite understand it . 1229.14 1229.62 1240.17 1241.12 1242.84 1243.71 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1225.186 1226.042 1225.21 1226.042 'Cause it's now - EN2002a A MEE073 0 1236.872 1238.271 1236.97 1238.07 Okay . Why ? 1237.91 1238.07 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1244.704 1246.425 1244.84 1246.425 So when it when it - EN2002a C FEO072 2 1247.203 1255.863 1247.37 1255.73 To get the data i for example to get the summarisation data , you have to search for I think the I_D_s or something . Yeah . 1251.04 1255.44 1255.73 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1256.379 1259.61 1256.45 1259.51 That's pretty bizarre , isn't it ? Well I guess that's how it works . They've got d 1257.31 1257.68 1258.66 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1257.52 1258.251 1257.54 1258.08 Yeah . 1258.08 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1261.6 1262.896 1261.62 1262.73 That is pretty bizarre . 1262.73 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1263.627 1269.192 1263.72 1269.07 So they don't , you know , they don't say look in that and that folder , but they say search everything . 1264.45 1264.75 1267.04 1269.07 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1267.136 1268.648 1267.18 1268.648 Yeah , yeah . 1267.42 1268.28 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1270.464 1271.632 1270.51 1271.29 That is pretty bizarre . 1271.29 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1272.752 1281.314 1272.77 1281.314 Hmm . Well they did say it wasn't the most efficient . Very clearly , yeah . Yeah . 1273.78 1277.95 1278.7 1280.03 1281.25 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1274.464 1279.408 1274.48 1279.408 Okay . 1279.16 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1275.992 1283.088 1275.992 1283.0 Oh it does load up quite quickly . So you know , it's not too bad . But you know , you could have a look at them . 1279.15 1279.67 1280.9 1282.11 1283.0 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1279.408 1291.596 1279.408 1291.51 Okay . But it what what is it like a window where you have to wr write the search query ? Or is it just what's behind it ? So or how does it work then ? D Okay . 1281.71 1286.15 1288.0 1290.36 1291.51 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1289.12 1306.858 1289.16 1306.68 No , this is not the actual search . This is just when you open what you know , to load the transcript for example , to find the transcript for a certain meeting , it does does an N_X_T_ search for the string , I don't know , transcript or text or whatever . 1289.36 1290.92 1292.98 1295.71 1297.92 1302.94 1303.58 1306.68 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1295.104 1295.44 1295.18 1295.41 Yeah . 1295.41 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1296.96 1297.296 1296.98 1297.18 Yeah . 1297.18 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1305.648 1305.987 1305.67 1305.87 Wh - EN2002a B FEO070 1 1306.016 1306.441 1306.05 1306.34 Okay . 1306.34 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1306.944 1313.808 1306.98 1313.808 Four , and it w it li it just has an open variable transparent s list , whatever , find everything that's got that and then load 1307.56 1311.09 1311.79 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1310.513 1311.057 1310.69 1310.93 Yeah . 1310.93 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1313.194 1320.833 1313.25 1320.73 Yeah , so I don't know if you've looked at the search query s language , but it's like a dollar A_ text say . 1313.76 1317.82 1320.73 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1319.488 1326.944 1319.51 1326.83 Yeah . Yeah , yeah , 'cause that's the uh the declares a variable , doesn't it , and then they keep Okay . 1320.84 1321.3 1321.54 1323.68 1323.98 1326.83 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1319.587 1319.978 1319.66 1319.87 Yeah . 1319.87 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1319.677 1320.212 1319.85 1320.12 Yeah . 1320.12 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1323.799 1330.189 1323.9 1330.08 Yeah . And then yeah . Because every every of all of these um 1325.17 1326.35 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1331.392 1341.672 1331.46 1341.61 these files have got um tha an I_D_ . And all the transcript files have got the string , I don't know what it is , words or text or something in it , so it just searches for those files . 1333.67 1336.97 1337.78 1339.56 1341.61 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1342.352 1342.818 1342.37 1342.77 Okay . 1342.77 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1342.848 1343.507 1342.98 1343.507 Right . 1343.4 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1343.205 1343.756 1343.23 1343.67 Vaguely . 1343.67 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1345.568 1358.314 1345.6 1358.314 When you like you is there a open thingy or Like well what did you two do to like how did you figure out that this uses N_X_T_ search like is it - EN2002a C FEO072 2 1345.599 1346.118 1345.68 1346.118 So - EN2002a C FEO072 2 1349.865 1350.424 1350.04 1350.28 Open . 1350.28 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1357.472 1370.501 1357.49 1370.45 Um um well , it's in the code . Just that it , you know , it yeah , you define a search object , and then you search on that string . I had to figure out how to how to do the same thing for the summary . That's how I 1360.22 1361.15 1362.01 1362.29 1363.09 1364.6 1366.46 1369.71 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1361.172 1361.638 1361.22 1361.55 Okay . 1361.55 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1364.912 1365.354 1364.93 1365.22 Okay . 1365.22 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1371.984 1373.233 1371.984 1373.233 Oh see , obvious 1372.78 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1371.968 1376.608 1371.99 1376.56 I had to I had to understand how to do the transcript how they did the transcript to do the summary myself . 1376.56 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1376.592 1379.376 1376.64 1379.28 So did you have to write it in the way that they wrote it , is that what you did ? 1378.72 1379.28 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1379.261 1383.128 1379.32 1383.02 Yeah , just search for a specific string . 1380.01 1383.02 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1383.408 1383.88 1383.46 1383.79 Right . 1383.79 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1385.232 1385.884 1385.36 1385.8 Okeydoke . 1385.8 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1385.159 1392.4 1385.39 1392.37 So you could just , you know , you could use that when you if you wanna um take the data out and put it somewhere . Yeah . 1387.26 1387.52 1392.09 1392.37 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1391.312 1393.315 1391.33 1393.28 Fish the data , I was just thinking that , yeah . 1392.0 1392.78 1393.28 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1393.06 1393.559 1393.11 1393.46 Yeah . 1393.46 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1396.656 1405.612 1396.68 1405.57 If you have a a question about w what the p the code means or where to find the code that you wanna , you know , whatever you wanna do , then just send me an email . 1403.26 1403.57 1404.43 1405.57 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1396.941 1397.565 1397.0 1397.36 Mm-hmm . 1397.36 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1405.696 1406.081 1405.73 1405.97 Mm . 1405.97 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1406.816 1407.777 1406.84 1407.67 I can explain it . 1407.67 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1408.224 1408.692 1408.29 1408.52 Yeah . 1408.52 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1408.816 1413.642 1408.85 1413.642 Have you annotated your code nicely ? Not yet . 1411.14 1413.47 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1410.208 1413.23 1410.208 1413.23 Okay . 1412.77 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1410.688 1436.085 1410.71 1435.97 Oh yeah . Actually , in the moment it's got a load of rubbish because the the um the browser that I used from this from you know , that they gave us , had a lot of extra stuff in , and I haven't dared throwing out to through out all the functions I haven't you know , that I don't need . Yeah , just in case . Exactly . Yes . So they're all in there ye still . A lot of rubbish , but they will be get will be chucked out right at the end , I think . 1412.21 1412.61 1418.61 1419.95 1421.67 1424.86 1425.69 1425.9 1426.48 1427.69 1428.91 1431.71 1432.36 1435.68 1435.97 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1424.752 1429.759 1424.82 1429.57 Just in case . mission critical . Yeah . 1426.47 1429.36 1429.57 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1424.994 1426.56 1425.05 1426.23 Hmm , right , right . 1425.22 1425.67 1426.23 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1436.272 1447.184 1436.272 1447.09 Commen commenting it out one bit at a time and running it , does it work , yeah . Okay , get rid of that , next . Good fun , aye . 1439.32 1439.76 1440.45 1440.83 1441.3 1446.3 1446.9 1447.09 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1439.264 1443.467 1439.28 1443.33 Yes . Exactly , yes . Yeah . Precisely . 1439.75 1440.53 1441.43 1442.48 1443.33 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1439.659 1441.639 1439.78 1441.33 Yeah . M yeah . Yeah . 1440.17 1441.15 1441.33 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1444.364 1445.054 1444.48 1444.93 Oh yeah . 1444.93 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1446.61 1447.084 1446.67 1446.93 Yeah . 1446.93 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1448.574 1449.48 1448.67 1448.99 Oh no . 1448.99 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1448.775 1449.186 1448.83 1449.15 Hmm . 1449.15 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1451.928 1452.427 1452.0 1452.27 Yeah . 1452.27 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1452.01 1458.276 1452.09 1458.06 So basically we go and go and do some work really , I think that's the um the um the answer to that , isn't it . The long and the short of it . 1454.09 1456.83 1457.14 1458.06 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1453.971 1456.16 1453.971 1456.16 Yeah , seriously , on the weekend . 1454.63 1455.21 1455.76 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1454.48 1463.326 1454.48 1463.326 The weekend ? The weekend's still four days off . 1458.54 1460.61 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1458.088 1458.992 1458.22 1458.86 Yeah . Well f 1458.73 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1460.02 1468.499 1460.04 1468.38 Uh Um Yeah . Yeah . How many hours is this ? Hmm . 1462.01 1463.04 1468.26 1468.38 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1461.097 1466.16 1461.23 1466.16 Yeah . Proba I'm still at the bottom of the mountain . 1461.77 1465.99 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1464.842 1465.78 1464.842 1465.7 Oh . 1465.7 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1467.436 1468.572 1467.436 1468.3 Yeah . 1468.3 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1467.452 1469.592 1467.51 1469.53 I don't actually have that much to do at the moment . 1469.53 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1469.888 1484.281 1469.91 1484.281 Well , should you find you want to explore any other perhaps you as your um uh quantify raising . 1470.24 1484.09 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1471.205 1474.761 1471.205 1474.59 Yeah , seriously . 1474.13 1474.59 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1471.141 1476.17 1471.25 1476.17 Well Oh dear . Well 1475.73 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1470.734 1476.077 1472.51 1476.077 Yeah . 1475.68 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1480.096 1483.119 1480.13 1482.93 Hmm . Yeah . Yeah . That's what I gotta work on . 1480.9 1481.5 1482.12 1482.93 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1480.336 1487.644 1480.336 1487.52 I can't remember what I'm supposed to do , by the way . Am I supposed to do the summarisation thingibob ? 1484.53 1484.94 1487.52 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1488.704 1489.296 1488.73 1489.24 Mm . 1489.24 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1492.928 1494.535 1492.928 1494.37 Mm . I don't know . 1493.97 1494.37 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1493.984 1494.394 1494.01 1494.36 No . 1494.36 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1495.52 1496.197 1495.54 1496.14 Who was doing that ? 1496.14 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1498.8 1500.201 1498.8 1500.07 Oh really ? 1500.07 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1499.296 1503.095 1499.32 1503.0 You do . Well , I'll do that then . 1502.11 1502.28 1503.0 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1500.226 1504.949 1500.226 1504.949 Oh . Oh . 1503.49 1504.82 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1500.429 1502.503 1500.429 1502.503 You saw it , yeah . 1501.39 1501.92 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1500.554 1501.039 1500.91 1501.0 Damn . 1501.0 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1501.787 1502.814 1501.787 1502.7 Yeah , yeah . 1502.5 1502.7 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1502.814 1512.322 1502.88 1512.2 These can be changed as well . Okay , yeah . Um I don't know , it doesn't matter . If if you want to . I mean it's just , you know , play around with some extra stuff . You have some time , why not . 1504.08 1504.34 1505.46 1506.18 1507.52 1508.39 1509.38 1509.65 1510.6 1511.9 1512.2 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1504.305 1505.916 1504.4 1505.916 Shall I do that then ? I mean 1505.41 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1506.981 1507.936 1507.01 1507.936 Or you know - EN2002a C FEO072 2 1512.352 1513.6 1512.37 1513.6 It shouldn't be to difficult . I mean 1513.24 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1516.112 1516.521 1516.15 1516.42 Yeah . 1516.42 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1516.88 1521.573 1516.9 1521.573 So what courses should I pick to be not doing any work at the moment ? 1521.41 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1518.932 1524.338 1519.14 1524.1 Yeah . That's nice . 1523.24 1524.1 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1520.387 1531.018 1521.13 1531.018 Well I'm doing communications , which we had one exercise and I've done that like two weeks ago . And that's in in two weeks . 1523.34 1528.02 1530.29 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1527.664 1528.03 1527.69 1527.84 Hmm . 1527.84 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1530.195 1537.875 1530.25 1537.71 Was that in informatics course ? Or Oh . Oh , it like digital , okay . Okay . 1532.72 1534.25 1534.42 1536.3 1537.39 1537.71 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1532.854 1537.698 1532.88 1537.62 Yeah , it's a nine nine course as well or ten or something . Yeah . 1533.34 1537.4 1537.62 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1533.082 1533.593 1533.19 1533.46 Yeah . 1533.46 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1537.776 1539.087 1537.84 1539.0 Oh , so it's uh , yeah . 1538.15 1538.61 1539.0 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1538.992 1547.896 1539.01 1547.81 And then then I'm doing parallel programming languages and systems , which we had one exercise as well , and that's in like Friday . 1544.94 1546.6 1547.81 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1539.712 1540.025 1539.77 1539.92 Yeah . 1539.92 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1544.192 1544.592 1544.23 1544.43 Hmm . 1544.43 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1550.351 1557.759 1550.351 1557.63 Well I'm not doing any background reading , so you know . Being lazy . 1553.13 1557.05 1557.63 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1553.607 1556.702 1553.64 1556.6 Alright . Yeah . 1556.33 1556.6 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1556.56 1562.291 1556.56 1562.291 Sorry . I'm just being yeah . Hmm . 1558.07 1560.44 1561.91 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1558.256 1559.936 1558.28 1559.9 Fine . Hmm . 1559.54 1559.9 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1561.587 1565.403 1561.587 1565.28 Yeah , me too . 1564.58 1565.28 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1561.617 1565.7 1561.64 1565.7 Yeah . I'll be happy when this week is over . 1562.46 1565.62 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1564.112 1570.747 1564.112 1570.747 Have we these courses that we're okay . Yeah . 1567.71 1570.64 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1564.468 1565.201 1564.67 1565.12 Oh . 1565.12 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1567.104 1574.73 1567.12 1574.69 Yeah . Well I don't know , is that about it then or anything else we need to discuss ? 1570.02 1570.68 1574.69 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1571.76 1572.208 1571.85 1572.08 No . 1572.08 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1574.226 1574.983 1574.37 1574.93 I don - EN2002a A MEE073 0 1576.496 1580.762 1576.52 1580.52 Did we wanna meet before we talk to Steve next week . 1580.52 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1582.96 1591.024 1582.98 1591.024 Well , I dunno . We'll probably get some work done over the weekend , so I dunno if after D_N_L_G_ or something , maybe just have a little quick little update and just 1583.46 1584.34 1585.93 1588.57 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1586.586 1587.201 1586.73 1587.07 Yeah . 1587.07 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1592.286 1600.016 1592.33 1599.94 Yeah , if you like . We can always decide then , I mean yeah . Yeah . Um so what what are you planning to do over the weekend then ? 1592.53 1594.03 1595.06 1596.64 1597.41 1599.94 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1593.408 1594.457 1593.44 1594.39 Yeah , I don't know. . 1593.84 1594.39 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1593.815 1596.424 1593.85 1596.27 Yeah . Well we can decide . Yeah , exactly . True . Yeah . 1594.14 1595.1 1595.21 1595.65 1596.11 1596.27 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1595.664 1596.032 1595.68 1595.97 Yeah . 1595.97 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1600.304 1624.315 1600.37 1623.86 Search . And well sure , why not . Couldn't be that hard . Well , it'll be , you know , still limited version of , you know , the next query search . But , no no . Won't be the whole thing then . Um like we can just decide sort of things that we do wanna do . Hmm . yeah . Well , actually most are just dialogue acts . And what else was there . 1601.77 1604.84 1606.05 1607.82 1608.61 1609.19 1609.33 1611.64 1611.87 1613.36 1614.05 1615.24 1616.69 1619.48 1619.79 1620.62 1620.71 1622.39 1623.86 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1601.408 1605.858 1601.408 1605.77 You're gonna do the search . You're gonna implement the search . Everything ? 1603.27 1605.22 1605.77 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1603.168 1606.096 1603.168 1606.096 Yeah . 1605.88 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1607.6 1608.051 1607.62 1608.0 Yeah . 1608.0 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1616.335 1616.809 1616.41 1616.76 No . 1616.76 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1620.613 1621.033 1620.66 1620.95 Mm-hmm . 1620.95 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1628.202 1628.72 1628.202 1628.202 . 1628.202 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1630.96 1633.521 1630.96 1633.521 summary topic - EN2002a B FEO070 1 1633.28 1633.984 1633.31 1633.94 Mm . 1633.94 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1638.208 1638.592 1638.28 1638.56 Yeah . 1638.56 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1638.832 1642.976 1638.91 1642.976 It's just that I think we need to set ourselves some milestones , because otherwise 1641.94 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1639.12 1639.603 1639.14 1639.54 I don't know . 1639.54 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1641.953 1642.365 1642.0 1642.25 Yeah . 1642.25 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1644.832 1645.376 1644.85 1645.376 You know - EN2002a A MEE073 0 1647.2 1655.893 1647.31 1655.81 Yeah , it'll get behind schedule , yeah , pretty quick . Like you're saying , yeah . Well actually , do we wanna set a date for interim prototype ? 1647.46 1649.26 1649.6 1651.15 1651.92 1652.39 1652.77 1655.81 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1647.695 1649.07 1647.82 1649.07 Weeks will go by and - EN2002a A MEE073 0 1656.992 1658.368 1657.01 1658.2 Specifically a date ? 1658.2 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1660.763 1661.488 1660.8 1661.488 Mine was - EN2002a C FEO072 2 1661.44 1664.368 1661.46 1664.368 Well you decide , I'm not doing much for that prototype . So 1662.31 1664.11 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1663.879 1666.128 1663.879 1666.128 Um . 1665.59 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1667.73 1674.336 1667.78 1674.3 The progress report is due on twenty third February . February . 1673.81 1674.3 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1672.904 1673.424 1672.95 1673.424 Of - EN2002a C FEO072 2 1674.688 1675.201 1674.71 1675.02 Oh . 1675.02 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1675.328 1677.679 1675.35 1677.57 So so what's that , two weeks basically . 1676.5 1677.57 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1677.28 1678.992 1677.3 1678.88 Um yeah . 1678.88 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1678.912 1681.888 1678.93 1681.888 Well , how about we get it done by then ? I mean 1679.51 1681.51 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1682.768 1684.192 1682.79 1684.01 Ish yeah . 1684.01 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1684.416 1689.792 1684.44 1689.72 Then we can write about it in the in the interim report , and s you know , and then we've got something to show . 1687.95 1688.56 1689.72 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1687.746 1688.237 1687.8 1688.18 Yeah . 1688.18 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1687.805 1690.688 1687.94 1690.688 Yeah . Okay . 1689.04 1690.56 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1696.96 1697.505 1697.01 1697.42 Yeah . 1697.42 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1699.136 1706.497 1699.2 1705.94 Just looking at my own deadlines . See . Yeah , that would be fine . . 1702.66 1702.94 1703.17 1705.94 1705.94 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1704.21 1708.336 1704.21 1708.24 Um oh and the the search interface . 1708.24 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1710.832 1723.984 1710.85 1723.95 Maybe you should decide pretty pretty early what kind of things you wanna be able to search for . And then if you want , you can give that to me and I'll I'll build a u nice , you know , a few tick-boxes and drop-down menus . 1718.14 1719.01 1721.24 1721.54 1723.95 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1717.184 1717.523 1717.2 1717.38 Yeah . 1717.38 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1724.464 1731.916 1724.94 1731.84 Wasn't like what you had now , wasn't that pretty much what we agreed on ? Or was it just like that one . 1727.27 1729.17 1731.84 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1728.467 1729.093 1728.51 1728.94 No . 1728.94 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1730.242 1754.993 1730.31 1754.87 Oh that's that's that doesn't exist . Tha that's completely cut and pasted . That does not exist . Nicely done though , isn't it ? It's actually all these all these um things are are nicked from um you know , all these drop-down menus and tick-boxes are nicked from Google online . A screen-shot of Google . 1733.65 1737.53 1739.39 1739.95 1743.31 1747.47 1753.77 1754.87 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1733.103 1736.445 1733.103 1736.25 Okay . 1736.25 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1736.109 1737.923 1736.109 1737.923 Okay . 1737.63 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1739.104 1746.288 1739.104 1746.2 This is illusion or whatever . 1746.2 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1740.208 1744.304 1740.208 1744.16 Is it semblance of reality . Yeah . 1744.01 1744.16 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1740.242 1743.691 1740.55 1743.691 Yeah , that's it's quite impressive actually . Yeah . 1740.73 1742.56 1743.63 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1752.003 1753.273 1752.003 1753.08 I see . 1753.08 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1755.04 1755.984 1755.09 1755.87 Oh mm . 1755.87 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1756.672 1763.264 1756.672 1763.264 That's quite slow really . Yeah . 1762.04 1763.14 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1756.792 1776.56 1756.792 1776.53 It's just so much fun . It's gonna be a little difficult more difficult . Yeah , I mean I was going to , but you know , the whole drop-down menus and stuff , what we wanna search for is not quite agreed on . We never agreed on what we wanna be able to search for . 1763.58 1765.65 1765.81 1766.95 1768.19 1770.69 1773.17 1776.53 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1756.82 1762.837 1756.91 1762.837 Nice thought . I'm impressed . Maybe you should make it exist then . 1757.7 1759.99 1762.66 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1776.286 1777.712 1776.6 1777.65 No , it's not , is it ? Yeah . 1776.75 1777.13 1777.39 1777.65 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1776.468 1779.664 1776.66 1779.62 Right , true . Mm decide on that on over the weekend . 1777.04 1777.89 1779.62 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1777.744 1778.401 1777.79 1778.401 So - EN2002a C FEO072 2 1779.776 1789.376 1779.8 1789.29 Yeah , do you wanna , you know , just get together and think about the different types of search we could possibly do , and then then we could discuss it next meeting which options we really wanna include ? 1780.09 1780.7 1781.1 1784.41 1789.29 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1781.088 1781.419 1781.11 1781.3 Yeah . 1781.3 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1784.99 1785.472 1785.21 1785.36 Yeah . 1785.36 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1791.136 1791.492 1791.17 1791.41 Right . 1791.41 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1791.304 1796.08 1791.35 1796.03 That would probably involve researching the query language a bit as well to see what that can do . 1796.03 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1794.928 1795.72 1794.95 1795.61 Yeah , totally . 1795.3 1795.61 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1796.432 1796.858 1796.46 1796.74 Yeah . 1796.74 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1798.176 1809.904 1798.71 1809.87 It would be nice to , I don't know , meet up and uh you can sort of show us a bit what you know already , so we don't sort of have to do all the work again of just like figuring out stuff . 1799.75 1800.03 1805.27 1809.87 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1810.16 1813.952 1810.28 1813.77 Oh , just like the basic . So like no . Sorry ? 1810.54 1811.37 1813.61 1813.77 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1810.588 1811.131 1810.62 1811.131 Know - EN2002a C FEO072 2 1812.08 1813.129 1812.11 1813.06 Know already what ? 1813.06 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1813.888 1817.504 1813.91 1817.504 Just like accessing the corpus and stuff . 1816.84 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1816.256 1816.81 1816.28 1816.74 Oh . 1816.74 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1816.83 1833.376 1816.85 1833.32 Yeah . Just like all the and seeing the code , and just sort of how just see the basics of what you've done . Like just get a a quick look over and just the basics . Yeah . Or like like , you know , the class paths all that sort of thing . Like just just say okay , well here's you know , everything's basic in set-up and then just yeah , just jump right in . 1817.42 1818.6 1821.07 1824.52 1824.97 1825.95 1826.16 1827.7 1828.62 1829.95 1832.33 1833.32 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1823.04 1828.52 1823.06 1828.52 Can take us for a tutorial sometime . 1828.2 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1823.361 1823.78 1823.51 1823.7 Yeah . 1823.7 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1824.559 1828.292 1824.67 1828.292 Yeah . 1827.8 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1829.576 1831.346 1829.7 1831.3 Yeah . Yeah , I can do that . 1830.53 1830.72 1831.3 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1831.41 1831.888 1831.52 1831.8 Yeah . 1831.8 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1832.448 1834.433 1832.47 1834.433 Show you what bits the code - EN2002a A MEE073 0 1834.4 1834.756 1834.42 1834.66 Yeah . 1834.66 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1835.719 1843.379 1835.77 1843.379 Yeah . That's cool . Yeah . In the morning . 1836.44 1837.49 1839.76 1842.92 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1835.92 1838.868 1835.94 1838.868 Next week sometime . 1838.65 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1835.95 1836.337 1836.03 1836.22 Yeah . 1836.22 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1840.624 1849.061 1840.624 1849.061 Ah , yeah . Well this time I'm dictating the time , 'cause I if I'm not there you can't do anything . 1841.89 1843.9 1845.72 1848.85 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1844.896 1864.898 1845.02 1864.81 Yeah . Yeah . Yeah , I know . Well thing is , you know , if yeah , something like that could happen anytime 'cause uh yeah , like my schedule's like a class , break , class , break , class , you know , that sort of thing . So so yeah , I know , exactly , exactly , that's what I'm thinking . So something like that and then if I have a class I can run off and do whatever . Yeah . Okay . 1845.76 1847.35 1847.83 1848.62 1849.02 1849.29 1850.14 1853.09 1854.78 1855.11 1855.44 1855.76 1856.1 1856.34 1856.9 1857.84 1858.08 1858.53 1859.12 1859.74 1863.64 1864.48 1864.81 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1856.187 1858.683 1856.31 1858.65 Yeah , ah it's not gonna take an hour to explain it , you know . 1856.72 1858.26 1858.65 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1858.445 1859.418 1858.51 1859.28 Yeah , yeah yeah . 1858.81 1859.28 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1859.845 1860.47 1859.87 1860.47 I mean - EN2002a B FEO070 1 1862.475 1862.974 1862.6 1862.92 Yeah . 1862.92 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1862.653 1867.181 1862.74 1867.06 Pick a time . I I you know , let me know , whenever . 1864.4 1866.18 1866.66 1867.06 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1865.072 1866.369 1865.13 1866.3 Um yeah . 1866.3 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1866.081 1868.349 1866.12 1868.22 Actually Monday , Monday might be good d um . 1866.77 1868.22 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1868.128 1868.592 1868.15 1868.41 Yeah . 1868.41 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1868.64 1870.836 1868.66 1870.79 What Monday . What did you say ? 1870.3 1870.79 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1870.209 1871.156 1870.25 1871.1 Yeah , yeah . 1870.93 1871.1 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1870.427 1872.148 1870.51 1872.148 Next yeah , this Monday . Just 1871.23 1871.92 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1872.352 1880.592 1872.37 1880.592 Anytime um , not at n not at noon or two or four . No , in between those is you know , like one or three or 1873.95 1877.67 1877.92 1879.34 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1873.024 1875.032 1873.12 1874.86 Mm Monday afternoon . 1874.86 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1880.912 1882.548 1880.93 1882.548 Uh - EN2002a C FEO072 2 1880.96 1883.289 1880.99 1883.16 Three o'clock . Actually th yeah . 1882.31 1883.16 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1881.936 1882.366 1881.96 1882.12 Sure . 1882.12 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1883.557 1888.352 1883.557 1888.25 Three is alright . It was what time's D_N_L_G_ ? Four , isn't it ? 1886.27 1887.49 1887.78 1888.25 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1884.256 1884.768 1884.28 1884.72 Possibly . 1884.72 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1886.821 1887.195 1886.9 1887.09 Yeah . 1887.09 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1888.224 1889.09 1888.34 1889.02 It's full , yeah . 1888.78 1889.02 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1888.732 1892.28 1888.86 1892.28 Unless you wanna do it after the um after D_ - EN2002a A MEE073 0 1889.017 1889.503 1889.11 1889.41 Yeah . 1889.41 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1891.552 1893.935 1891.57 1893.83 Yeah , that's an option too . Yeah , after . 1891.73 1892.86 1893.34 1893.83 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1893.248 1893.712 1893.27 1893.68 D_ and A_ . 1893.68 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1895.216 1896.644 1895.31 1896.53 Sure . That's fine . 1895.96 1896.53 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1895.888 1900.208 1895.92 1900.11 Three's good though . I'll but we have s whatever . What's you what would you prefer ? 1896.78 1899.03 1900.11 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1896.01 1896.422 1896.08 1896.29 Yeah . 1896.29 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1899.072 1905.548 1899.14 1905.49 Yeah . Or three thirty . No , just yeah . That'd be necessarily necessarily short . 1900.13 1901.97 1902.08 1903.45 1905.49 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1903.392 1907.06 1903.41 1906.58 Well , it doesn't matter for me . I mean three three or after what ? 1903.5 1904.31 1906.58 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1903.672 1904.846 1903.75 1904.67 That's gonna be tight . 1904.67 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1904.625 1913.955 1904.69 1913.74 We could three thirty in the in the computer room in here , and then we can just go stra if you can't can you get in the front door ? Oh , you haven't got a key , do you ? Can none of you get in there ? 1907.25 1911.33 1911.48 1912.12 1912.9 1913.74 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1907.202 1908.859 1907.27 1908.76 Actually we can't get in there though . 1908.76 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1910.477 1911.151 1910.51 1911.05 Maybe we ca - EN2002a A MEE073 0 1912.504 1918.206 1912.6 1918.1 W we well we can get in through the through the the card the card door . Yeah . 1917.91 1918.1 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1913.809 1915.176 1913.93 1915.13 Yeah , it what front door ? 1914.29 1915.13 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1915.776 1930.864 1915.8 1930.82 The k the f there's computer rooms in here , the M_S_C_ computer lab and uh is in here . Well if you find me , I'll show you where I'll I'll let us all in there , and we can all go in there . Yeah , yeah . You do need to have a key for it . Like that's the thing . It's got a lock door button . 1917.71 1920.89 1921.88 1924.02 1927.0 1927.23 1927.91 1929.13 1929.72 1930.82 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1916.242 1917.207 1916.3 1917.08 In four Buccleuch . 1917.08 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1918.588 1919.881 1918.62 1919.881 I've not found that yet . 1919.8 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1920.016 1927.899 1920.04 1927.81 How about if we take uh a tour ? Yeah , right . Yeah , yeah , exactly . 1923.73 1924.44 1926.82 1927.19 1927.35 1927.81 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1922.425 1928.207 1922.425 1928.09 We can go look we can look at now , afterwards . Yeah . 1926.1 1927.75 1928.09 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1929.694 1937.623 1929.75 1937.57 Okay . Just sort bang on it . Actually I was asking Steve about that , whether we can get in there . Whether he was gonna get us access into the 1930.87 1932.79 1933.95 1935.62 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1929.821 1930.32 1929.86 1930.2 Okay . 1930.2 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1932.192 1933.352 1932.21 1933.26 Yeah , somebody will answer it . 1932.46 1933.26 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1938.032 1940.32 1938.05 1940.28 Into what ? Okay uh . 1939.35 1940.28 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1938.672 1939.349 1938.69 1939.22 the computer room . 1939.22 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1940.304 1948.061 1940.37 1947.96 Yeah , it's only got it's crap , it's only got about four or five computers in But it would do quite good for our job , 'cause it has not very uh p not many people in it very often . 1940.59 1941.38 1944.8 1947.96 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1942.858 1943.717 1942.95 1943.717 Yeah , print 1943.31 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1945.088 1945.508 1945.11 1945.38 Okay . 1945.38 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1947.744 1948.273 1947.76 1948.2 Yeah . 1948.2 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1947.887 1949.764 1947.93 1949.61 Right . Is there a printer in there too ? 1948.72 1949.61 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1949.728 1959.121 1949.76 1959.121 Yeah , there's fridge there . And there's a photo-copier with the code on it , yeah yeah . It's cool , yeah . 1949.91 1950.55 1953.3 1954.72 1955.23 1958.77 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1952.656 1953.209 1952.68 1953.07 Really ? 1953.07 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1953.916 1956.78 1953.94 1956.72 A nice okay . That would come in handy , yeah . 1955.37 1956.54 1956.72 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1954.594 1955.302 1954.72 1955.18 Really ? 1955.18 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1956.473 1958.589 1956.78 1958.589 Ah . Well , I'm just 1957.73 1958.07 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1957.376 1960.958 1957.65 1960.89 Oh , is that the photo-copier I heard I heard about ? Yeah . 1957.79 1960.6 1960.89 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1957.718 1965.952 1957.74 1965.952 Hey , we could we could photo-copy our um assignment if we wanted to . Yeah . Well the comments I'm thinking . 1957.96 1964.06 1964.31 1965.75 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1960.801 1965.355 1960.801 1965.24 I've got it in my computer . Whatever is in my computer . 1964.23 1965.24 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1962.829 1963.288 1963.02 1963.24 Yeah . 1963.24 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1964.194 1964.77 1964.31 1964.64 Yeah . 1964.64 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1965.728 1967.768 1965.89 1967.65 So what time do we say ? 1967.65 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1968.048 1974.257 1968.07 1974.13 I just think it's better to do it afterwards . Then we have all the time we need . Rather than have half an hour and then we'll surely run out . 1969.6 1971.35 1974.13 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1968.028 1968.456 1968.08 1968.456 Um - EN2002a A MEE073 0 1970.608 1973.646 1970.63 1973.51 Yeah , that's true . So after D_N_L_G_ . Yeah . 1970.83 1971.25 1973.2 1973.51 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1970.912 1971.416 1971.01 1971.32 Oh right . 1971.32 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1971.218 1972.324 1971.37 1972.2 Yeah , yeah . 1972.0 1972.2 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1973.136 1973.993 1973.16 1973.67 Yeah , yeah . 1973.41 1973.67 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1973.245 1979.131 1973.31 1979.06 Yeah , yeah , yeah . Okay . Hmm . 1974.08 1975.34 1977.09 1978.63 1979.06 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1978.768 1980.768 1978.79 1980.35 As long as D_N_L_G_ doesn't go late . 1980.35 EN2002a D MEE071 3 1981.323 1984.871 1981.323 1984.871 Hopefully it's not that man , so it won't matter . 1982.73 1984.7 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1981.268 1982.486 1981.37 1982.486 Oh . 1981.65 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1986.186 1994.8 1986.23 1994.8 Actually it's not even confirmed yet . What was She doesn't even know what she's talking about yet , I think . Maybe it doesn't happen at all . 1988.6 1991.11 1992.78 1994.52 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1988.631 1988.96 1988.65 1988.85 What ? 1988.85 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1988.976 1989.43 1989.0 1989.27 Oh . 1989.27 EN2002a B FEO070 1 1990.88 1993.634 1990.88 1993.48 It's true . 1993.48 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1992.482 1993.157 1992.482 1993.06 So - EN2002a B FEO070 1 1994.72 2003.184 1994.74 2003.08 Yeah , I don't know . It's reading week next . It should be it shouldn't be any well , it's supposed to be next week . It's week six next week . 1995.05 1995.54 1996.47 1999.32 2001.93 2003.08 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1995.118 1996.747 1995.14 1996.747 Sounds like me . 1996.66 EN2002a C FEO072 2 1997.516 1998.241 1997.58 1998.15 Is it really ? 1998.15 EN2002a A MEE073 0 1998.384 2001.794 1998.4 2001.73 Are you ? Next week ? Or the week ? How ? 1999.17 1999.94 2001.31 2001.73 EN2002a C FEO072 2 2002.261 2002.944 2002.32 2002.88 Really ? 2002.88 EN2002a A MEE073 0 2003.808 2004.176 2003.83 2004.1 Oh . 2004.1 EN2002a C FEO072 2 2004.059 2006.032 2004.09 2006.032 I don't think we have a reading week though . The the 2005.38 EN2002a B FEO070 1 2005.52 2015.454 2005.54 2015.454 I don't know . We have one class at least when we like speech perception , we don't have any lectures . But I think we're having like all other classes . So uh there's not point in having 2005.96 2008.81 2010.2 2012.52 EN2002a A MEE073 0 2006.847 2008.516 2006.94 2008.43 Yeah . That's cancelled ? 2007.85 2008.43 EN2002a A MEE073 0 2009.659 2010.367 2009.79 2010.27 Oh really ? 2010.27 EN2002a C FEO072 2 2012.749 2018.776 2012.8 2018.7 Yeah , I don't think there is an official I don't think there was an official one last semester . I think it was just a bank holiday , wasn't it ? 2013.11 2016.98 2018.28 2018.7 EN2002a A MEE073 0 2012.952 2013.246 2013.0 2013.1 Hmm . 2013.1 EN2002a A MEE073 0 2018.944 2022.005 2019.01 2021.88 Um something like that . I think one or couple classes were cancelled . 2020.26 2021.88 EN2002a B FEO070 1 2020.002 2020.982 2020.17 2020.78 No , I think it w 2020.28 EN2002a D MEE071 3 2020.8 2026.764 2020.8 2026.7 Some classes did and some classes didn't . It's all a bit bizarre really . They didn't really know what was going on . 2023.99 2025.22 2026.7 EN2002a A MEE073 0 2023.191 2026.64 2023.28 2026.5 Yeah . Exact Yeah . I th 2023.92 2026.22 EN2002a B FEO070 1 2023.456 2030.08 2023.48 2030.04 Yeah , which are a bit crap , yeah . I think the under-graduates had uh all were off totally . 2024.14 2025.37 2026.17 2030.04 EN2002a C FEO072 2 2026.538 2027.284 2026.63 2027.284 No , 2027.17 EN2002a A MEE073 0 2028.075 2028.511 2028.12 2028.36 Yeah . 2028.36 EN2002a A MEE073 0 2029.591 2044.524 2029.62 2044.31 I think it was up to the professor whether they did it or not . Well , I don't feel like teaching . Yeah , okay . I think yeah . I think D_I_L_ will probably have one to make up for missing classes . D_I_L_ will probably have classes , yeah . 2032.57 2032.73 2033.47 2033.68 2034.66 2036.1 2040.92 2044.1 2044.31 EN2002a D MEE071 3 2034.224 2036.016 2034.37 2035.91 Nah , make 'em work . 2034.56 2035.91 EN2002a B FEO070 1 2040.56 2040.912 2040.58 2040.82 What ? 2040.82 EN2002a B FEO070 1 2042.224 2048.99 2042.24 2048.94 Yeah , th we will probably have it , yeah yeah . last week . Yeah . 2042.56 2043.95 2045.78 2048.6 2048.94 EN2002a C FEO072 2 2047.184 2049.501 2047.21 2049.37 Okay . Let's meet Monday . 2048.55 2049.37 EN2002a A MEE073 0 2048.048 2048.319 2048.07 2048.21 Yep . 2048.21 EN2002a D MEE071 3 2050.251 2051.232 2050.35 2051.14 Done . 2051.14 EN2002a B FEO070 1 2050.405 2060.536 2050.48 2060.49 Yeah , um I guess that's it . Was there anything else ? Do anyone know you wanna like take care of this or should I take care of it ? 2051.9 2055.23 2056.76 2060.49 EN2002a C FEO072 2 2053.68 2053.968 2053.7 2053.86 Hmm ? 2053.86 EN2002a D MEE071 3 2060.746 2062.24 2060.746 2062.24 Oh , we trust you . 2061.25 2061.71 EN2002a A MEE073 0 2060.768 2062.696 2060.79 2062.696 You can have it . Yeah . 2062.02 2062.48 EN2002a B FEO070 1 2062.192 2067.392 2062.28 2067.31 Yeah . I don't know if there was something . Oh I think he basically said 2062.63 2065.78 EN2002a B FEO070 1 2069.568 2074.928 2069.59 2074.89 um the same things as in the comments , if I could read it . 2073.98 2074.89 EN2002a B FEO070 1 2076.016 2081.232 2076.016 2081.232 Can you read that ? 2080.75 EN2002a A MEE073 0 2078.086 2082.103 2078.18 2082.103 Huh ? Which one , the top one ? Um 2079.28 2079.57 2081.46 EN2002a A MEE073 0 2084.336 2087.434 2084.36 2087.31 Do you really want multiple windows from a single lap ? 2087.31 EN2002a B FEO070 1 2086.463 2086.904 2086.54 2086.72 Yeah . 2086.72 EN2002a B FEO070 1 2088.75 2090.629 2088.8 2090.629 From a single application - EN2002a A MEE073 0 2089.584 2092.448 2089.6 2092.41 But most will probably want to go with defaults . 2092.41 EN2002a B FEO070 1 2094.368 2096.959 2094.39 2096.9 Yeah . Well , uh that was , I guess . 2094.87 2095.32 2095.99 2096.9 EN2002a A MEE073 0 2094.656 2097.268 2094.68 2097.18 Yeah . Yeah . You'd be s 2095.77 2096.92 EN2002a D MEE071 3 2096.353 2099.004 2096.45 2099.004 Yeah , I think the comments are basically the same as what you said . So it's 2096.66 2098.66 EN2002a A MEE073 0 2098.72 2104.944 2098.74 2104.9 Yeah , exactly , and just the other comment about whether you wanna do both speaker characterisation and topic segmentation . 2099.11 2099.49 2104.9 EN2002a B FEO070 1 2098.82 2099.227 2098.91 2099.15 Oh . 2099.15 EN2002a B FEO070 1 2105.504 2105.904 2105.6 2105.87 No . 2105.87 EN2002a A MEE073 0 2106.032 2108.64 2106.21 2108.58 Yeah , yeah that's about it . Nothing terribly exciting . 2106.44 2107.66 2108.58 EN2002a B FEO070 1 2107.728 2117.945 2107.83 2117.86 Oh yeah . Yeah ? And now we have seven percent of the course already done ? Is quite good . So if y 2108.62 2109.97 2115.32 2117.08 EN2002a A MEE073 0 2109.824 2110.41 2109.84 2110.26 Okay . 2110.26 EN2002a A MEE073 0 2112.112 2117.768 2112.13 2117.768 Yeah . Alright . Okay . So 2114.27 2116.14 2117.04 EN2002a D MEE071 3 2113.821 2117.147 2113.821 2117.147 Yeah . 2116.79 EN2002a C FEO072 2 2116.773 2119.074 2116.83 2118.98 Right . I think we need to tick the okay box , right ? 2117.13 2118.8 2118.98 EN2002a B FEO070 1 2118.912 2124.128 2119.14 2124.128 If you're okay with uh having Oh . 2123.91 EN2002a C FEO072 2 2119.979 2125.211 2120.07 2125.211 Ooh . Exciting . 2121.65 2125.02 EN2002a D MEE071 3 2121.133 2123.273 2121.21 2122.94 Oof . Bu buzzes . Yeah . 2121.77 2122.74 2122.94 EN2002a A MEE073 0 2125.808 2127.847 2125.92 2127.67 Okay . Yeah . 2127.38 2127.67 EN2002a D MEE071 3 2125.958 2127.754 2126.0 2127.754 Signing off , innit ? Log off . 2126.66 2127.04 2127.67 EN2002a B FEO070 1 2126.24 2130.201 2126.26 2129.89 Who ? Yeah . . 2127.01 2129.89 2129.89 EN2002a A MEE073 0 2129.817 2130.499 2129.89 2130.23 Okay . 2130.23 EN2002a C FEO072 2 2131.456 2132.78 2131.48 2132.62 Should we turn these off then or what ? 2132.62 EN2002a B FEO070 1 2133.44 2137.479 2133.91 2137.479 We're done now . I uh 2135.03 EN2002a B FEO070 1 2139.264 2142.704 2139.28 2142.37 Is she still here ? Yes , you are . Yeah . 2140.81 2141.09 2141.59 2142.37 EN2002b C FEO072 2 4.39 4.74 4.48 4.6 No . 4.6 EN2002b D MEE073 3 4.773 5.139 4.83 4.95 No . 4.95 EN2002b B MEE071 1 16.495 17.035 16.64 16.92 Okay . 16.92 EN2002b A FEO070 0 24.159 28.547 24.23 28.51 Okay . Who wants to take notes today ? 24.8 28.51 EN2002b D MEE073 3 29.008 29.456 29.06 29.29 Oh . 29.29 EN2002b D MEE073 3 32.494 33.134 32.59 33.08 Channel . 33.08 EN2002b A FEO070 0 35.941 36.531 36.03 36.47 Okay . 36.47 EN2002b B MEE071 1 36.976 38.688 37.03 38.688 Okay . 38.15 EN2002b D MEE073 3 38.992 43.854 39.03 43.81 Mm 'kay . L I could take notes this time , I guess . I'll takes notes this time , I guess . 39.9 41.02 42.4 43.26 43.81 EN2002b C FEO072 2 39.696 40.043 39.76 39.92 Yeah . 39.92 EN2002b A FEO070 0 41.632 44.149 41.99 43.73 What ? Th okay . Yeah . 42.85 43.63 43.73 EN2002b D MEE073 3 44.928 46.314 44.95 46.12 Actually , I suppose I'll use this . 45.23 46.12 EN2002b A FEO070 0 45.792 47.113 45.81 46.96 I'll make funny drawings . 46.96 EN2002b D MEE073 3 47.453 62.471 47.453 62.31 Um actually first thing I just sorta did a really sorta brief um , yeah , version of what we have to do . Um actually I can just take that if you want . 56.46 57.28 59.54 62.31 EN2002b A FEO070 0 58.652 59.068 58.73 58.93 Yep . 58.93 EN2002b A FEO070 0 61.928 62.651 62.02 62.52 Thank you . 62.52 EN2002b A FEO070 0 81.664 89.744 81.664 89.47 Very interesting start of the meeting . Everyone's looking down reading . 86.61 89.47 EN2002b B MEE071 1 84.752 86.304 84.752 86.304 Yeah . 85.74 EN2002b C FEO072 2 93.2 93.616 93.22 93.48 Okay . 93.48 EN2002b B MEE071 1 93.657 94.065 93.68 93.93 Yeah . 93.93 EN2002b C FEO072 2 123.097 124.345 123.13 124.14 I like the timeline . 124.14 EN2002b D MEE073 3 124.56 131.024 124.7 131.024 Actually for that I was just copying the one straight out of the other documents . So it's all , whatever inaccurate and well 127.3 128.2 EN2002b B MEE071 1 137.408 139.595 137.43 139.46 Okay , yeah . Basically that's fine , yeah . 137.71 138.5 139.31 139.46 EN2002b D MEE073 3 137.631 139.778 137.72 139.778 But yeah . Okay . Um 138.23 139.45 EN2002b C FEO072 2 139.205 143.107 139.26 142.94 Uh , b Let me see it . Oh , that's the same . Oh . Very good . 139.36 141.35 141.5 142.22 142.65 142.94 EN2002b D MEE073 3 141.088 142.733 141.11 142.63 Oh she has . She has her own . Yeah . 141.74 142.45 142.63 EN2002b A FEO070 0 141.472 143.312 141.472 143.312 . Yep . 141.472 143.12 EN2002b C FEO072 2 144.138 150.261 144.37 150.21 Um I'm not sure uh if we need the outline of the prototype . I mean what what are we gonna put into that ? 148.5 150.21 EN2002b D MEE073 3 144.284 144.949 144.51 144.85 Okay . 144.85 EN2002b D MEE073 3 148.986 168.98 149.11 168.98 Yeah . Well , just sorta well the thing is , yeah , we're gonna be touching on all that during the other part for the progress and putting screen-shots and all the rest yeah , exact yeah . Well it's something that he had mentioned in the um in the previous like just to sort of have a prototype together , and so I was just saying that , you know , we could potentially do that . I don't know . It's not something we have to 150.04 150.26 151.65 151.84 157.07 158.97 164.26 165.43 165.56 167.28 167.92 EN2002b C FEO072 2 154.377 157.537 154.41 157.537 Yeah , because I mean that's basically what we're doing here , isn't it ? The whole 154.6 156.56 156.88 EN2002b B MEE071 1 167.312 175.296 167.42 175.26 Yeah , we could because this could be just some uh a little just just describe some screen-shots or something . 167.74 175.26 EN2002b D MEE073 3 170.229 170.612 170.46 170.58 Alter . 170.58 EN2002b D MEE073 3 174.663 175.278 174.69 175.278 Yeah , 175.13 EN2002b D MEE073 3 177.232 191.648 177.3 191.648 Yeah , sure . Like the thing is I was thinking even in the stuff that I was doing , I mean , just throw the screen-shots in there when you talk about what you're doing , right . It kinda makes sense . So yeah . Oh yes , oh actually I have a I have that at the very end screen-shots . But that didn't show up on this page . So it's not even relevant . So 177.57 177.85 180.25 180.43 183.14 183.95 185.19 185.6 186.19 188.29 189.36 191.11 EN2002b B MEE071 1 183.569 186.105 183.61 186.105 Yeah , you can either have and we can just ignore that bit . Or you can have 183.81 185.35 EN2002b B MEE071 1 190.136 190.576 190.18 190.52 Yeah . 190.52 EN2002b B MEE071 1 191.568 200.784 191.59 200.784 Yeah , you can either have the Yeah , it says screen-shot there and stuff . But th you can either have screen-shots by the thing , each one , or um have just a bunch of 'em in one session . It doesn't 191.73 192.47 193.91 196.15 196.66 200.1 EN2002b D MEE073 3 194.217 194.607 194.27 194.5 Yeah . 194.5 EN2002b D MEE073 3 200.112 209.527 200.13 209.34 Yeah . Anyways , so um so yeah , this just very general structure um , I guess from this we can just pop in our little blurbs and and uh . 201.17 201.52 202.61 204.82 209.34 EN2002b B MEE071 1 208.864 214.144 208.88 214.144 Yeah . I've written the topic segmentation one . 209.92 213.79 EN2002b D MEE073 3 211.247 211.953 211.33 211.86 Oh yeah ? Cool . 211.63 211.86 EN2002b C FEO072 2 212.402 214.04 212.47 214.04 Yeah . 213.66 EN2002b D MEE073 3 213.107 229.577 213.13 229.53 I guess . Um so I don't know if there's other stuff that you think should be done to this , I could do that before I mail it to you guys . Um otherwise yeah . Um did someone else wanna throw it togeth Actually I can probably still throw it together if you want , um put your parts into into this one . 214.54 217.46 219.77 222.93 227.55 229.53 EN2002b B MEE071 1 222.672 223.869 222.75 223.75 Uh it should be alright . Do we d 223.55 EN2002b B MEE071 1 229.824 247.712 229.84 247.712 I think Pernilla should do it , yeah . Yeah . Uh yeah , exactly . She's only gonna tell us we got it wrong anyway . So I'm only joking . 236.74 237.25 238.59 238.87 239.7 241.8 247.54 EN2002b A FEO070 0 231.2 251.328 231.2 250.92 Hmm she never said that . And I'm being like I don't know not a native speaker of English . I think is But what whatever . 244.43 248.53 250.92 EN2002b D MEE073 3 231.217 233.595 231.25 233.49 I'm the perfectionist , right . Yeah . 232.71 233.29 233.49 EN2002b C FEO072 2 231.516 236.91 231.69 236.91 Yeah . Yes . Yeah . 232.49 233.58 236.6 EN2002b D MEE073 3 235.056 244.849 235.13 244.849 Yeah . That's a good idea . Let's just cut out the middle man , you know . Just yeah . 236.3 237.45 238.63 242.14 244.4 EN2002b C FEO072 2 251.712 252.359 251.96 252.359 Um - EN2002b D MEE073 3 252.048 252.449 252.07 252.33 Yeah . 252.33 EN2002b A FEO070 0 252.672 255.449 252.672 255.38 Oh . We'll see . 255.08 255.38 EN2002b C FEO072 2 253.669 259.324 253.79 259.19 Yeah well , I mean it's up to you if you wanna keep going with that . I'm happy to do some as well . I have lots of time tonight . 254.58 256.59 257.99 259.19 EN2002b D MEE073 3 259.392 259.71 259.41 259.61 Hmm . 259.61 EN2002b C FEO072 2 260.432 267.307 260.45 267.307 Um and then uh we'll send it to you and you can do the final revisions . I'm sure 266.65 EN2002b A FEO070 0 264.08 302.722 264.08 302.61 Yeah . I'll uh look at it like when my usual working hours are like from twelve o'clock till three o'clock or something , so if you can work on it that and then like No , actually not . But I'm never online on the morning . So Yeah . Yep . 266.75 275.47 291.75 294.1 295.95 302.28 302.61 EN2002b B MEE071 1 264.048 268.896 264.08 268.896 Th you can you can perfect it and - EN2002b D MEE073 3 266.65 267.283 266.76 266.97 Yeah . 266.97 EN2002b D MEE073 3 275.268 280.88 275.268 280.88 Oh yeah . Yeah . 277.39 280.52 EN2002b C FEO072 2 275.274 286.802 275.34 286.802 I know , you're always online . You always make me feel bad , because uh when I go to bed at like one , you're still online . You never go to bed . 275.94 278.53 279.63 281.81 284.36 285.92 EN2002b B MEE071 1 282.61 289.881 282.61 289.881 Sleep , sleep , food , sleep . 286.65 287.1 287.51 289.66 EN2002b D MEE073 3 282.94 283.439 283.05 283.37 Yeah . 283.37 EN2002b D MEE073 3 286.554 292.243 286.68 292.0 Or you just leave your computer on maybe . Logged in . Yeah . 289.43 291.79 292.0 EN2002b C FEO072 2 288.656 294.096 288.656 294.096 Yeah , you pretend . Always busy . Yeah , right . Yeah , so maybe 289.64 290.45 291.33 291.59 292.8 293.27 EN2002b D MEE073 3 293.372 293.846 293.53 293.62 Yeah . 293.62 EN2002b D MEE073 3 296.721 302.51 296.84 302.38 Yeah . Actually I noticed that no one is . Anyways , alright . 297.31 301.1 302.06 302.38 EN2002b C FEO072 2 296.667 303.52 296.91 303.52 Yeah . So 302.75 EN2002b D MEE073 3 303.988 306.544 304.1 306.544 Okay . So I'll send it off to you . Then um 304.88 306.19 EN2002b A FEO070 0 305.295 305.877 305.46 305.877 Well - EN2002b A FEO070 0 307.616 318.272 307.64 318.1 Yeah , do what you wanna do with it first , and then I'll will look at Yeah , uh yeah . And I'll send it out to you again tomorrow or whatever . Yeah . 307.89 309.83 312.47 314.18 317.94 318.1 EN2002b D MEE073 3 307.945 308.281 307.97 308.08 Yep . 308.08 EN2002b D MEE073 3 309.511 309.96 309.53 309.86 Okay . 309.86 EN2002b B MEE071 1 311.328 314.279 311.35 314.279 Sabotage it . Yeah . 312.57 313.87 EN2002b D MEE073 3 311.549 312.007 311.61 311.86 Right . 311.86 EN2002b C FEO072 2 312.195 312.977 312.42 312.8 Yeah . 312.8 EN2002b D MEE073 3 313.129 314.643 313.29 314.643 Actually d um - EN2002b D MEE073 3 316.134 330.784 316.21 330.784 Yeah . Was there anything else we wanted to add to the time-line ? I mean essentially it was what like f um you can't see it right there . Here , I'll s here's the old one . Well , that's that's the orig this the original one . Yeah , yeah , which just copied straight out . Um 316.77 318.81 322.49 322.59 324.6 324.74 327.72 328.13 328.37 330.27 EN2002b C FEO072 2 320.611 321.318 320.71 321.19 Yeah . 321.19 EN2002b C FEO072 2 323.801 328.176 323.86 328.1 Oh , there's more . Oh , I see . Oh , this is the one that okay . 323.97 325.09 325.32 326.36 326.53 328.1 EN2002b A FEO070 0 330.976 345.891 331.01 345.74 Probably wanna think about if we wanna change our goals and stuff . I think it um one thing that we could probably skip uh totally is the removing things from the audio files . 335.91 345.74 EN2002b D MEE073 3 335.6 336.001 335.63 335.91 Mm-hmm . 335.91 EN2002b C FEO072 2 345.412 349.195 345.47 349.09 That's what I thought as well , I mean do we are we are we actually gonna attempt that ? 346.6 349.09 EN2002b D MEE073 3 346.874 347.372 346.95 347.26 Yeah . 347.26 EN2002b B MEE071 1 347.422 348.222 347.47 348.18 Yeah . 348.18 EN2002b A FEO070 0 348.186 352.758 348.21 352.59 That's no , I don't th that's that's too big , yeah . 349.75 352.3 352.59 EN2002b B MEE071 1 349.712 352.07 349.73 352.07 Nah . 351.84 EN2002b C FEO072 2 350.549 355.843 350.6 355.73 I don't think so either , yeah . I think that's gonna be a b we don't even know how to approach that at the moment , I think . 351.74 352.47 355.37 355.73 EN2002b D MEE073 3 351.879 352.47 351.95 352.35 Yeah . 352.35 EN2002b A FEO070 0 355.479 355.969 355.59 355.86 No . 355.86 EN2002b D MEE073 3 356.08 356.432 356.11 356.39 Yeah . 356.39 EN2002b B MEE071 1 357.36 368.848 357.38 368.72 It's a good thing to have , to say we cou what we could have done if we had more time . A good future work thing , isn't it ? Stick in the conclusion of the final report . Should if we had more time , this is what we would have done . Yeah . 358.39 361.07 361.98 362.26 364.72 366.13 368.42 368.72 EN2002b D MEE073 3 363.192 363.649 363.29 363.61 Yeah . 363.61 EN2002b A FEO070 0 363.328 363.769 363.35 363.69 Yeah . 363.69 EN2002b D MEE073 3 365.875 372.986 365.94 372.89 Yeah . Unless we d unless we discover some sorta time-warp thing , it's not gonna happen . Yeah . 367.88 370.67 372.58 372.89 EN2002b C FEO072 2 366.219 389.082 366.3 389.01 Yeah , yeah . Yeah , yeah , that's right . Um um so maybe I mean we we should we should definitely well we could probably not put it under this heading , but put it under changes since the initial specification . And say , you know , we didn't we decided the the r time is too short , whatever . 366.66 367.15 367.43 367.8 369.28 379.35 382.66 383.91 384.2 388.58 389.01 EN2002b B MEE071 1 370.892 373.603 370.97 373.603 Yeah , if Yeah if 371.39 EN2002b A FEO070 0 372.792 375.935 372.81 375.8 Yeah , but that's definitely one thing we could just remove . 373.22 375.8 EN2002b D MEE073 3 380.112 382.633 380.13 382.47 Yeah . Yeah , sure . Yep . 381.42 381.71 382.32 382.47 EN2002b A FEO070 0 382.243 382.8 382.41 382.7 Yeah . 382.7 EN2002b B MEE071 1 385.008 386.373 385.04 386.24 We don't think there's enough time . 386.24 EN2002b B MEE071 1 388.24 391.392 388.37 391.36 Or we felt there were more important things to do with our time than - EN2002b C FEO072 2 390.909 392.432 390.909 391.71 Yes , . 391.71 391.71 EN2002b D MEE073 3 391.888 392.355 391.92 392.22 Mm-hmm . 392.22 EN2002b B MEE071 1 392.832 394.688 392.95 394.688 than worry about - EN2002b C FEO072 2 393.34 398.487 393.36 398.487 Yeah . We would prefer to concentrate on the main 393.84 EN2002b A FEO070 0 401.088 401.674 401.17 401.54 Yeah . 401.54 EN2002b C FEO072 2 404.608 411.008 404.96 411.008 And I think we should probably uh comment explicitly on the milestones here as well and say we managed to do - EN2002b D MEE073 3 409.039 409.52 409.14 409.48 Yeah . 409.48 EN2002b D MEE073 3 411.104 416.316 411.12 416.316 Yeah . This , this , and this . Or some of them were later , some were yeah . We could even 411.6 411.82 411.98 412.86 414.31 415.66 EN2002b C FEO072 2 412.496 415.12 412.52 415.05 M m meet these milestones at Yeah . 415.05 EN2002b B MEE071 1 415.312 417.95 415.33 417.84 Yeah , that's a good idea . You have should have a section probably . 415.56 416.27 417.84 EN2002b A FEO070 0 417.467 419.463 417.51 419.38 I mean we haven't really yeah . 419.38 EN2002b C FEO072 2 417.528 424.505 417.58 424.505 Like , you know , develop prototype GUI . We t you know , ah yeah we managed that nicely . Uh 417.89 418.17 419.2 420.42 424.35 EN2002b D MEE073 3 417.896 418.604 417.94 418.27 Yeah . 418.27 EN2002b D MEE073 3 419.664 420.143 419.68 419.97 Yeah . 419.97 EN2002b A FEO070 0 420.404 421.526 420.46 421.526 Yeah . 420.79 EN2002b D MEE073 3 421.231 423.875 421.32 423.68 Exactly . Yeah . 423.51 423.68 EN2002b B MEE071 1 423.707 426.051 423.75 426.0 The best file on target or something . 426.0 EN2002b D MEE073 3 425.568 438.048 425.59 438.048 Yeah . More or less . Yeah . Search , yeah . P plus plus or minus three days to yeah . Yeah , that's that that's true too . That's true , yeah . 426.54 427.91 428.81 429.23 429.68 433.51 433.79 435.05 435.41 437.86 EN2002b C FEO072 2 426.01 428.808 426.09 428.56 Yeah , yeah . Yeah , put it put it good . 426.39 427.19 427.56 428.56 EN2002b A FEO070 0 426.174 449.503 426.174 449.503 He he d he doesn't have to know exactly what I mean , yeah m I mean it's hot finished , but it doesn't really say 436.88 439.79 EN2002b B MEE071 1 427.552 436.083 428.01 436.083 Or t Well - EN2002b C FEO072 2 440.061 442.64 440.061 442.51 Conceptually . 442.51 EN2002b B MEE071 1 440.972 446.668 441.05 446.668 And so I've only got six days to do the topic segmentation as well . Jesus . 443.8 445.95 EN2002b D MEE073 3 443.312 451.146 443.312 451.146 Ah that's plenty . You don't have any uh S_P_N_L_P_ assignments , do you ? 446.24 448.07 450.64 EN2002b B MEE071 1 448.696 452.496 448.696 452.496 Yeah . Uh 451.88 EN2002b C FEO072 2 451.968 461.332 452.13 460.88 And you can say yeah . We uh say we are still aiming for the development to be complete on the or something . M . 454.28 460.24 460.88 EN2002b B MEE071 1 454.369 455.783 454.39 455.74 Speaker characterisation . 455.74 EN2002b B MEE071 1 457.456 458.051 457.48 458.02 Jesus . 458.02 EN2002b B MEE071 1 460.144 466.215 460.16 466.215 Speaker characterisation's supposed to be done already . Yeah , two days ago . 463.24 463.49 465.75 EN2002b D MEE073 3 460.507 461.022 460.58 460.84 Yeah . 460.84 EN2002b D MEE073 3 462.304 471.216 462.38 471.18 Oh really ? Oh Jeez . H Um is are one of those something that you wanna change and delete from our list of expectations ? 464.42 465.02 471.18 EN2002b C FEO072 2 463.51 465.331 463.74 465.331 Whoa . 464.39 EN2002b B MEE071 1 472.96 476.336 472.98 476.336 Give me a week and I'll tell you the answer to that . 475.92 EN2002b D MEE073 3 473.87 479.017 473.94 478.98 Yeah . Okay . Alright . Like should we put i a hint that something like that might happen into the document ? 474.36 474.96 475.76 478.98 EN2002b C FEO072 2 474.766 475.939 474.85 475.939 I yeah , I 475.79 EN2002b B MEE071 1 478.976 481.6 479.0 481.45 Or maybe the speaker characterisation might get slimmer . 481.45 EN2002b C FEO072 2 481.872 495.328 481.89 495.23 Yeah , that's right . I I really wanna do it . I mean it's not it's not gonna be difficult . If at least have all the information pop up that is already in the meta-data file . That's gonna be no work at all . So it's definitely gonna be something there . 482.58 483.21 484.39 486.78 491.61 493.66 495.23 EN2002b D MEE073 3 481.903 486.025 481.94 485.88 Okay . Alright . Okay . Yeah , I know . Yeah . 482.56 483.21 484.84 485.03 485.61 485.88 EN2002b B MEE071 1 483.024 485.852 483.22 485.8 Probably we won't disappear it , yeah . 485.3 485.8 EN2002b D MEE073 3 491.248 493.805 491.3 493.66 Mm-hmm . Yeah , okay . Yeah , true . Yeah . 492.18 492.28 492.77 492.89 493.43 493.66 EN2002b B MEE071 1 491.089 493.408 492.25 493.32 Yeah . Yeah . Yep . 492.78 493.19 493.32 EN2002b B MEE071 1 495.3 497.904 495.34 497.81 Yeah , we won't make it disappear , but we might thin it down a bit . 495.57 496.43 497.81 EN2002b D MEE073 3 495.352 496.524 495.42 496.39 Okay , sounds good . 496.0 496.39 EN2002b A FEO070 0 495.956 496.33 496.03 496.18 Yeah . 496.18 EN2002b D MEE073 3 498.048 498.507 498.07 498.27 Yeah . 498.27 EN2002b B MEE071 1 499.152 503.266 499.21 503.12 Um but we might not , you know , but we might have time . Depends how how how how things m 500.03 500.21 500.95 EN2002b C FEO072 2 501.28 505.056 501.3 504.84 Yeah , it might turn out easier than thought . 502.04 504.84 EN2002b B MEE071 1 504.656 505.8 504.656 504.656 . 504.656 EN2002b C FEO072 2 506.704 507.248 506.75 507.248 Um - EN2002b B MEE071 1 508.592 523.2 508.61 523.2 The topic segmentation with the L_C_ seg and text tiles basically done . It just needs to be done because you know what I mean , the co yeah , tuned , yeah . A search through the parameters or something . Let's see what happens . 513.48 515.94 516.48 516.87 517.44 520.69 522.98 EN2002b D MEE073 3 513.575 517.924 513.63 517.76 Okay . Tuned I guess or yeah . Yeah . 515.51 516.85 517.76 EN2002b D MEE073 3 522.464 522.89 522.48 522.72 Cool . 522.72 EN2002b D MEE073 3 526.025 526.532 526.11 526.42 Mm . 526.42 EN2002b C FEO072 2 526.464 527.52 526.6 527.42 Yeah , sounds good . 526.93 527.42 EN2002b C FEO072 2 530.128 530.624 530.15 530.59 What else ? 530.59 EN2002b D MEE073 3 530.279 531.36 530.52 530.7 Okay . 530.7 EN2002b A FEO070 0 534.198 534.713 534.3 534.52 Hmm . 534.52 EN2002b A FEO070 0 536.648 540.24 536.78 540.17 I don't know . Shall we change the deadlines ? 537.4 540.17 EN2002b C FEO072 2 537.336 549.648 537.74 549.61 We should probably d sorry , we should probably do another responsibility of packages as well . That's what he hinted that we should also um indicate who who is responsible for what from now on . 539.59 543.53 549.61 EN2002b D MEE073 3 548.288 557.808 548.33 557.67 Right . Yeah . Well I could probably just copy that straight out of the other one as well . That's essentially the same as it was . Maybe more detailed specifically . 549.45 549.84 553.12 555.19 557.67 EN2002b B MEE071 1 552.384 553.456 552.4 553.42 Yeah , pretty much . 552.67 553.42 EN2002b C FEO072 2 557.616 560.096 557.64 560.02 Well you could put , you know yeah , I don't know . 558.45 559.73 560.02 EN2002b D MEE073 3 565.376 565.843 565.43 565.73 Mm . 565.73 EN2002b A FEO070 0 567.904 580.769 567.92 580.7 Yeah . Should we , I don't know , do you think , Mike , about our things that we had together ? Should we I mean now , yeah . I mean we have it now like inverted and you have the other But what about the m 569.06 569.61 571.03 571.84 572.17 574.15 575.96 576.5 EN2002b D MEE073 3 574.944 580.343 575.04 580.17 Split those apart ? Yeah . I think so , yeah , like , yeah , inverted file . Yeah , exactly . 575.94 576.38 576.78 576.97 577.28 577.55 578.92 579.75 580.17 EN2002b A FEO070 0 581.983 585.931 581.983 585.931 Removing disfluencies ? Shall we just 583.96 EN2002b D MEE073 3 583.454 588.179 583.51 588.179 Oh . Well if we're skipping the audio one , and then things got easier . Um 584.7 586.2 587.57 EN2002b A FEO070 0 587.685 593.824 587.75 593.73 Yeah , we just keep it together on the the pap there right now and just see what what ? 588.37 593.73 EN2002b D MEE073 3 589.725 599.264 589.79 599.264 Yeah . Yeah . Have you taken any more of a look at it ? Have you taken any more of a look at it ? At the disfluenc okay . Yeah . Okay . We could probably 591.14 591.59 593.83 595.45 596.71 597.49 598.52 EN2002b A FEO070 0 595.632 598.768 595.65 598.7 No , not the disfluencies . No , haven't . 596.18 597.5 598.3 598.7 EN2002b D MEE073 3 601.648 611.52 601.67 611.47 I know if we'll have time to look at that before tomorrow . We could just make it up . Like I'll claim one , you'll claim the other for the search things , and then we could leave that one as a a joint one . 605.05 607.24 607.9 609.37 611.47 EN2002b A FEO070 0 603.767 607.143 603.87 607.143 Yeah . Yeah , might be yeah . 604.78 605.29 606.94 EN2002b C FEO072 2 606.449 607.638 606.77 607.638 So um - EN2002b A FEO070 0 612.208 612.589 612.23 612.47 Yeah . 612.47 EN2002b D MEE073 3 612.928 614.131 612.95 614.0 And that'd be good ? 'Kay . 613.94 614.0 EN2002b A FEO070 0 614.4 614.944 614.42 614.944 Something - EN2002b C FEO072 2 614.944 617.696 614.96 617.66 Have you managed any further on the search thing ? 617.66 EN2002b D MEE073 3 617.693 639.917 617.81 639.917 Um I found finally today something that I can build it in and it uh I should have something for tomorrow . I should uh , you know , at least very least have uh um a GUI and uh wire I'll be wiring that in hopefully tomorrow morning . So I wanna get something I wanna see this , I wanna get it together . Have an image in my mind and I just wanna see it on the thing and then get a nice screen-shot . So 623.65 624.19 624.6 631.58 633.45 634.36 639.52 EN2002b C FEO072 2 627.92 628.367 627.98 628.28 Alright . 628.28 EN2002b C FEO072 2 629.184 629.853 629.2 629.73 That's nice . 629.73 EN2002b C FEO072 2 636.064 637.162 636.13 637.08 Yeah yeah yeah . 637.08 EN2002b A FEO070 0 639.264 639.705 639.41 639.63 Yeah . 639.63 EN2002b D MEE073 3 640.912 641.408 640.95 641.408 Um - EN2002b A FEO070 0 642.128 653.651 642.15 653.651 Yeah , my intent is to work on these things tomorrow a bit more . So also , I don't know if we send it in on the afternoon , maybe I can add a few sentences too when I'm done . 642.38 646.51 647.24 649.56 653.48 EN2002b D MEE073 3 646.914 647.397 647.0 647.36 Mm-hmm . 647.36 EN2002b D MEE073 3 648.602 668.181 648.602 668.01 Well . W well well it doesn't really matter , I mean you could write the sentences first as well . I mean with the intention that this is done . I mean and also some sometimes it's a bit of a motivating factor too . I mean you write down the words and the ideas as , oh , okay , well I'll do this , I'll do that , you know , it just all falls together . 650.78 652.73 655.57 659.12 662.73 664.78 665.2 665.37 665.89 666.21 666.41 668.01 EN2002b B MEE071 1 658.03 659.51 658.09 659.2 Yeah yeah yeah . Certainly . 658.77 659.2 EN2002b A FEO070 0 658.426 663.569 658.426 663.43 Then it's done . And if it's not , Hopefully it won't be . Oh yep . 659.68 661.09 662.81 663.43 EN2002b A FEO070 0 666.155 668.142 666.23 668.01 Yeah . Yeah . We'll see . 666.94 667.65 668.01 EN2002b B MEE071 1 668.224 674.784 668.25 674.74 How about the underlying data for it ? For the d inverted file . How's that coming along ? 672.39 673.9 674.74 EN2002b D MEE073 3 672.423 672.889 672.54 672.77 Hmm . 672.77 EN2002b D MEE073 3 673.987 674.477 674.06 674.32 Oh . 674.32 EN2002b A FEO070 0 675.792 702.032 675.81 702.032 Well , I was still like struggling with Java stuff . But yeah but I'll work on it . Um I think uh I was wondering about that is uh , I haven't looked at it so much , but if m any of you guys know how we could do the like from the uh extract words that you did , like also in uh in this extract t time stamps on stuff , so we can is it 676.2 679.62 682.74 686.04 688.05 696.65 701.19 EN2002b D MEE073 3 679.36 679.852 679.41 679.73 Oh yeah . 679.73 EN2002b B MEE071 1 679.808 680.289 679.83 680.18 Yeah . 680.18 EN2002b B MEE071 1 681.424 682.094 681.44 682.04 Coming along . 682.04 EN2002b B MEE071 1 700.656 735.648 700.71 735.34 Easy , yeah . Just yeah , well it just um when he pulls up the segments um part of that , one of the f one of the attributes you do get attributes . get attributes , it returns a list of attributes . Search through those and and then it just you can that will tell you what attributes it's got . And then you can either do it automatically or you can just hard-code and say , look , get me the time stamps . So you just say um get attribute and put I think it's I think the method's called get attribute and just it's called start time and end time . And that will tell you the start times and end times . I think it returns it double . 701.09 701.41 702.68 708.61 712.09 712.75 714.56 719.27 722.55 722.76 724.35 731.45 734.37 735.34 EN2002b A FEO070 0 705.504 705.897 705.52 705.85 Yeah . 705.85 EN2002b A FEO070 0 711.92 712.426 711.94 712.39 Okay . 712.39 EN2002b A FEO070 0 718.816 719.232 718.84 719.2 Okay . 719.2 EN2002b A FEO070 0 729.739 730.155 729.79 730.1 Okay . 730.1 EN2002b A FEO070 0 731.76 732.144 731.78 732.11 Okay . 732.11 EN2002b A FEO070 0 734.016 734.384 734.04 734.33 Okay . 734.33 EN2002b A FEO070 0 736.384 736.784 736.4 736.74 Okay . 736.74 EN2002b A FEO070 0 740.976 743.743 741.0 743.743 Yeah . So now I could just put it in some 741.39 EN2002b B MEE071 1 744.448 752.45 744.47 752.3 Yeah , that's on the um the n the the NOM right elements . The the the uh the object is a NOM right element , I think . 744.83 749.08 752.07 752.3 EN2002b A FEO070 0 744.965 746.179 745.04 746.06 Tuple or something , yeah . 745.91 746.06 EN2002b A FEO070 0 748.416 749.024 748.44 749.024 What , on the 748.62 EN2002b A FEO070 0 752.24 752.664 752.26 752.63 Okay . 752.63 EN2002b A FEO070 0 754.8 755.696 754.88 755.66 Mm . 755.66 EN2002b B MEE071 1 756.252 757.845 756.4 757.74 That should uh tell you what it is . 757.74 EN2002b A FEO070 0 757.744 759.776 757.76 759.62 Yeah . I'll take a look at that . 758.83 759.62 EN2002b C FEO072 2 767.568 772.733 767.81 772.733 So w is there um did you have you made uh another M_ browser ? Is there something that I should 771.34 EN2002b D MEE073 3 771.597 810.368 771.597 810.368 Um there is , but I w I haven't made a lot of changes to it , so I might just um delete what I've done and copy again from yours . 'Cause I'm sure you've probably made some changes already . Oh really ? Since Friday , ? Okay . I thought you said okay . Oh right , I see . Okay . I thought you said that you had written some things that maybe have caused some bugs and that you were gonna fix those on the weekend or something . No , okay . Alright . Alright , yeah , okay . Right . Okay , cool . Um yeah , so if you although there's stuff out there that actually I'm gonna try and minimise the amount of changes I make to M_ browser anyways . Shouldn't um 773.44 776.21 779.69 783.06 783.62 784.73 784.73 785.39 786.76 787.12 788.17 788.56 795.08 795.41 795.98 796.99 797.5 797.89 798.47 799.69 800.15 801.42 802.87 809.66 EN2002b C FEO072 2 782.094 786.85 782.21 786.71 Not since you looked at it last , no . But I will tonight , that's the point . 784.06 785.24 786.05 786.71 EN2002b C FEO072 2 795.024 802.967 795.06 802.967 No . After the weekend . Weekend was out . 796.43 798.86 802.5 EN2002b D MEE073 3 811.632 840.016 811.65 839.98 shouldn't be an issue . Actually just to clarify last week when we were talking about our search results , um like if we have topics as well as transcripts as well as what was the other ? Summaries . Um do we want separate result panes uh for each of those ? Or do we want them all in one pane with like an icon or a different colour or something to indicate what type of result they are ? So that when they , you know , click on that , it's gonna go to the relevant thing . Like just if they check all three say topics , summaries , blah blah blah , have three different windows come up ? 812.48 815.82 820.29 821.14 825.02 830.92 831.35 832.06 832.56 834.71 837.65 837.92 838.6 839.98 EN2002b C FEO072 2 837.363 838.66 837.44 838.5 Mm-hmm , yeah , yeah . 837.81 838.18 838.5 EN2002b D MEE073 3 841.456 843.685 841.48 843.59 Or three like sub sub-panes sort of . 843.59 EN2002b C FEO072 2 842.034 853.553 842.13 853.45 Well at the moment is there at the moment is there a window that comes up ? Or is that a r a second results pane ? Or is there , you know does the window get larger ? What's there kind of what are you thinking ? 846.27 848.35 849.19 850.8 853.45 EN2002b D MEE073 3 847.008 847.75 847.14 847.75 Um - EN2002b D MEE073 3 850.176 882.464 850.39 882.464 What um I thought what we sorta discussed last week was to have it sort um the same window , um so it'll be on the search window , bottom half of the search window . Um I don't know if we still wanna keep it that way , but that's uh that's what I was gonna be working . So so it's just like you click those and it's just loads up . You know , splits that thing into like two or three or whatever that is . One , two or three , depending on which ones you check . And then um so if we wanna do it that way , you know like it probably doesn't matter too much . Just trying to think if there's gonna be any other issues down the road um depending on 857.33 858.87 860.46 863.02 864.85 868.02 869.95 872.55 872.68 872.95 873.84 876.29 878.66 EN2002b C FEO072 2 859.739 860.208 859.8 860.16 Mm-hmm . 860.16 EN2002b C FEO072 2 864.608 865.114 864.63 865.01 Yeah . 865.01 EN2002b C FEO072 2 868.433 869.93 868.49 869.86 Yeah . Yeah . 869.5 869.86 EN2002b C FEO072 2 872.026 872.66 872.08 872.66 Um - EN2002b C FEO072 2 880.064 880.763 880.11 880.7 Yeah . 880.7 EN2002b B MEE071 1 882.32 888.514 882.4 888.47 What , have th th uh you confuse me . Do you have um three separate windows for the three separate different types of results ? 882.59 884.42 888.47 EN2002b D MEE073 3 888.07 909.323 888.13 909.323 No , just just panes , just result panes for each of the three no no no , no No . No , no . So so it's just when we click , you know , topics and summaries for what we wanna search , then it'll uh You know , there'll be two result panes . So for one for topics , one for I don't not really tabs . Um But then you can't see all of them at the same time , and it's just like 888.36 889.32 892.13 894.09 894.78 895.03 896.22 896.41 898.59 900.54 902.12 902.96 904.67 908.59 EN2002b B MEE071 1 890.192 895.399 890.21 895.29 Okay , not not three different okay , okay , cool . Yeah . Okay . Right , yep . 890.56 892.39 892.69 893.34 893.86 894.8 895.07 895.29 EN2002b A FEO070 0 892.096 896.453 892.096 896.453 Pop-ups . 896.25 EN2002b B MEE071 1 897.664 897.968 897.7 897.85 Yeah . 897.85 EN2002b B MEE071 1 901.296 903.088 901.32 902.99 Yeah . Or tabs or something . 902.04 902.99 EN2002b C FEO072 2 903.986 906.862 904.05 906.83 Yeah , I quite like the idea of a tab in that case . 904.44 906.83 EN2002b A FEO070 0 907.519 908.659 907.55 908.62 All of them , no . 908.23 908.62 EN2002b C FEO072 2 908.528 913.685 908.55 913.54 But you wouldn't want to compare the result the topic one topic result with one summary result , would you ? 913.15 913.54 EN2002b D MEE073 3 913.008 917.868 913.03 917.83 Well it's no , but the thing is if you're looking if you could check them both um you wanna see all the results . 913.75 917.83 EN2002b C FEO072 2 916.455 921.712 916.53 921.68 Actually mm , yeah . Especially if you get if you get results for the same meeting . 917.69 918.31 921.68 EN2002b B MEE071 1 918.368 919.673 918.39 919.61 Yeah yeah , it's three panes . 918.86 919.61 EN2002b D MEE073 3 921.744 933.205 921.78 933.205 Yeah , exactly . Yeah , so the summary and the topic and the transcript are um So Um or we could just put them all into one result pane on that same window and just indicate 922.05 922.82 923.14 EN2002b C FEO072 2 922.903 925.632 922.92 925.58 Maybe yeah , yeah . Yeah , yeah , it's true . 923.54 924.17 924.86 925.1 925.58 EN2002b C FEO072 2 930.784 935.033 930.8 934.92 Yeah . I mean we could we could order them by meeting , for example . 932.13 934.3 934.92 EN2002b D MEE073 3 934.896 942.992 934.92 942.96 Yeah . Yeah . Oh yeah , I guess that was the other thing whether we wanna have this reorder by columns and all that . But that's a hassle too . It's a lot of work . 935.86 936.2 936.44 940.88 942.33 942.96 EN2002b C FEO072 2 938.442 946.626 938.46 946.59 How to order it . Yeah well , I mean uh if , you know , that's uh you even a second step , the first question is do we want to order them . How do we wanna order them in the first place . 939.86 940.27 941.16 941.44 943.1 944.97 946.59 EN2002b D MEE073 3 944.171 944.687 944.171 944.171 . 944.171 EN2002b D MEE073 3 946.496 956.016 946.52 955.98 Yeah . I think , yeah , probably by meeting makes most sense . I mean essentially they're tem you know , in time order . So yeah , that kinda makes most sense . 947.29 947.78 948.02 949.78 951.91 952.88 954.81 955.98 EN2002b C FEO072 2 950.077 950.878 950.34 950.82 Yeah . 950.82 EN2002b C FEO072 2 957.232 958.464 957.25 958.42 Yeah , maybe we should do that . 957.51 958.42 EN2002b D MEE073 3 957.648 958.356 957.67 958.356 Least uh - EN2002b D MEE073 3 959.568 965.888 959.59 965.85 Yeah . Yeah . Should be an easy no , I don't know actually . Should be fairly easy , I guess . 961.34 962.04 963.45 964.58 965.52 965.85 EN2002b C FEO072 2 981.98 984.368 982.04 984.33 Yeah , m why don't you just um 982.39 EN2002b C FEO072 2 985.424 986.416 985.44 986.38 colour-code those . 986.38 EN2002b D MEE073 3 987.456 987.89 987.48 987.76 Yeah . 987.76 EN2002b C FEO072 2 987.952 990.257 987.97 990.22 The results to three different colours . 990.22 EN2002b D MEE073 3 988.823 1015.997 988.88 1015.997 Thinking sometimes in a case like that , like a run across um in other languages , just that it's hard to tell what kind of object it was originally , once it's put into like a list-box or something . It's hard to tell whether it was a a transcript or whatever . And then if we're highlighting something in a transcript window , it may be difficult to get that information back once it's just in a list-box , an item in a list-box . So let's there's yeah . Whereas if it's coming from 990.49 993.64 996.75 999.46 1001.75 1004.52 1010.49 1012.6 1014.96 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1013.397 1014.361 1013.5 1014.361 No , but if you 1013.63 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1015.584 1029.351 1015.61 1029.351 If you if you do it straight from you know , you get th you get the result , and then there's some if statement saying s straight on the , you know , rock bottom lev level saying if th if you found a segment , then colour it print it in red or whatever , and 1017.98 1019.36 1022.26 1022.7 1025.48 1029.14 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1026.193 1026.658 1026.26 1026.52 Yeah . 1026.52 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1027.622 1028.054 1027.72 1027.99 Right . 1027.99 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1029.2 1031.196 1029.22 1031.08 Yeah . Yeah . It's just silly . 1029.86 1030.37 1031.08 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1030.816 1031.795 1030.84 1031.795 As opposed to - EN2002b D MEE073 3 1032.624 1058.9 1032.64 1058.9 Yeah . Um yeah , it's just like from past experience I've there's goofy little things that happen , and it just doesn't let you save certain things , and it's just kinda um trying to to do a different kind of to go to a different window . So if you wanna go to the actual highlight the transcript or highlight the topic or highlight the summary . At that point , that's sorta where it starts getting a little bit tricky , 'cause you're working with an event handler within the one panel or list-box or whatever it is . And uh 1033.29 1033.91 1038.42 1040.97 1045.99 1050.8 1051.43 1053.08 1058.36 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1038.78 1039.304 1038.85 1039.24 Oh right . 1039.24 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1041.334 1043.354 1041.38 1043.3 Ah . Well , have a look . 1042.04 1042.83 1043.3 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1049.888 1051.013 1049.91 1050.86 Oh , mm-hmm . 1050.44 1050.86 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1053.344 1054.609 1053.36 1054.52 Yeah , yeah , I can imagine . 1053.67 1053.86 1054.52 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1058.733 1060.197 1058.78 1060.13 Oh , oh , I see , yeah . 1059.25 1059.44 1059.74 1060.13 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1060.224 1070.838 1060.24 1070.838 So Um there are ways around it , but you know , whether I'll be able to figure something out like that till before tomorrow yeah , I know . Or delegates or whatever the all that stuff . So Anyways 1062.15 1062.89 1066.04 1066.77 1069.52 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1063.514 1065.52 1063.59 1065.45 You you have to use actions . 1065.45 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1069.52 1075.916 1069.55 1075.84 Um yeah , I mean um at the moment it works it works with highlighting in in the transcript window , doesn't it ? 1070.69 1075.47 1075.84 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1075.696 1076.592 1075.72 1076.56 Right . I think so . 1075.88 1076.56 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1077.136 1077.696 1077.17 1077.696 So - EN2002b D MEE073 3 1078.48 1101.58 1078.51 1101.58 I think he was saying that as long as we implement that um interface um it should work with anything that we do . Like highlighting the yeah . I think that was um who is saying that ? Um wasn't Jonathan saying something about that . I think it was just like as long as we implement one of these interfaces for this particular type of window , we should be able to have that highlighting happen . I don't know . I don't 1086.01 1087.63 1091.2 1093.43 1097.61 1100.58 1101.16 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1090.08 1091.615 1090.11 1091.45 What do you mean it should work with anything ? 1091.45 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1100.144 1100.62 1100.2 1100.52 Mm-hmm . 1100.52 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1102.912 1103.351 1102.93 1103.351 Anyways - EN2002b D MEE073 3 1104.944 1105.336 1104.98 1105.24 Okay . 1105.24 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1105.662 1117.136 1105.72 1117.136 Yeah , I mean the whole um the m what fills the transcription box and all of these boxes is a special sort of pane made by NITE . So I am not sure what it's called now . Um 1105.94 1114.8 1116.76 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1114.736 1115.572 1114.86 1115.4 Okay . 1115.4 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1119.216 1120.944 1119.51 1120.944 Um some - EN2002b C FEO072 2 1122.112 1135.968 1122.14 1135.93 Um no , but I know what it's called . And that comes with a whole load of highlighting extras as well . As I said , you know , if you if you left-click on something for example , it highlights automatically . So maybe it comes with something clever as well . 1123.36 1124.78 1128.78 1129.3 1129.51 1131.94 1133.5 1135.93 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1128.512 1130.279 1128.53 1130.12 Okay . Okay . Alright . 1129.08 1129.87 1130.12 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1132.96 1133.444 1132.98 1133.34 Okay . 1133.34 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1134.736 1139.764 1134.76 1139.68 Okay , maybe I should maybe I should use that as well in my Yeah , okay . 1134.99 1139.35 1139.68 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1138.077 1138.634 1138.12 1138.55 Yeah . 1138.55 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1139.293 1142.288 1139.37 1142.25 It's called a NITE text pane or something , isn't it ? Is it ? 1141.15 1142.07 1142.25 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1141.424 1145.182 1141.47 1145.182 No , I'm sure it hasn't got pane in it . NITE 1141.97 1144.64 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1146.336 1157.307 1146.36 1157.19 I don't know , text text yeah , something like that . Might yep . NOM text there is alright . Yeah , why what's NOM anyway ? NITE Oh . 1147.07 1148.51 1149.1 1150.49 1153.17 1153.73 1155.47 1157.19 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1146.848 1149.618 1146.91 1149.55 Text area or something something like that , yeah . 1149.15 1149.55 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1150.469 1150.951 1150.51 1150.8 Hmm . 1150.8 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1151.274 1153.711 1151.39 1153.64 NOM text , yeah . Mostly things are called NOM . Yeah . 1151.98 1152.08 1153.21 1153.64 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1153.67 1155.439 1153.67 1155.439 Yeah , why . Yeah . 1154.23 1155.04 1155.2 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1155.24 1164.32 1155.33 1164.32 NITE object model , I think . NITE object model , I think that's what 1157.71 1159.91 1161.07 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1156.982 1158.853 1157.04 1158.71 Okay , that makes sense . 1157.94 1158.71 EN2002b A FEO070 0 1159.062 1159.92 1159.12 1159.74 What do you say ? 1159.74 EN2002b A FEO070 0 1165.148 1166.919 1165.4 1166.919 Okay . 1166.82 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1174.976 1175.632 1175.01 1175.59 Mm . 1175.59 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1178.656 1179.824 1178.69 1179.824 With the um - EN2002b B MEE071 1 1181.28 1196.912 1181.3 1196.75 The removing the disfluencies , have you done anything with that yet ? Anybody . 'Cause um I was wondering how we're gonna write it back to H_T_M_L_ I mean X_M_L_ , if we take if we did the processing . 1183.6 1185.69 1187.66 1194.55 1196.75 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1185.97 1186.652 1185.97 1186.46 No . 1186.46 EN2002b A FEO070 0 1186.432 1187.248 1186.46 1187.18 No , we haven't . 1186.7 1187.18 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1198.26 1198.707 1198.28 1198.707 Um - EN2002b B MEE071 1 1198.272 1199.793 1198.29 1199.793 Writing it back to X_M_L_ - EN2002b D MEE073 3 1199.664 1213.424 1199.68 1213.39 It's I thought we were just going to have that as words . Like not ev not as X_M_L_ , just sort of as a Was that What was that um What transcripts recent oh no , transcript no , 'cause then we need all the other data if we wanna keep it a transcript , right . 1203.36 1204.69 1210.16 1210.84 1213.21 1213.39 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1201.541 1202.032 1201.6 1202.032 Seems - EN2002b B MEE071 1 1205.728 1206.947 1205.75 1206.91 There's a blop of text . 1206.91 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1208.176 1208.752 1208.2 1208.72 Text file . 1208.72 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1213.928 1222.404 1213.98 1222.404 You will very much limit what you can do with it if it's not in X_M_L_ format . There is some bizarre method that puts things back into X_M_L_ format . But 1218.28 1222.15 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1214.649 1215.098 1214.71 1215.02 Yeah . 1215.02 EN2002b A FEO070 0 1216.277 1217.507 1216.31 1217.38 Yeah , that's true . 1216.87 1217.38 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1216.337 1218.249 1216.36 1218.15 Yeah , that's true , yeah . Good point . 1216.8 1217.23 1217.83 1218.15 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1221.34 1228.666 1221.44 1228.57 Why do you why do we want it in X_M_L_ there ? I mean I thought we'd we'd just selectively selectively write the X_M_L_ that we've got . 1223.53 1228.57 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1230.224 1230.816 1230.28 1230.816 What - EN2002b C FEO072 2 1230.976 1233.033 1231.13 1233.033 So as as opposed to - EN2002b A FEO070 0 1231.376 1232.054 1231.4 1231.95 Yeah . 1231.95 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1233.104 1238.26 1233.12 1238.08 Oh , select what we want , just take bits of the X_M_L_ and take only it takes certain segments . Yeah . 1233.37 1234.22 1237.83 1238.08 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1235.746 1236.268 1235.77 1236.11 Yeah t - EN2002b D MEE073 3 1236.672 1237.152 1236.72 1237.05 Hmm . 1237.05 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1237.184 1251.216 1237.2 1251.18 Yeah , only only print out certain um certain segments , the segments that we want just selectively . At the moment it prints out all of them . We'll just put an if loop in it that leaves out some of the print statements . Not not store it at all whatsoever . 1237.63 1241.05 1243.13 1244.86 1249.11 1251.18 EN2002b A FEO070 0 1237.22 1238.359 1237.24 1238.359 Yeah , like 1237.92 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1243.773 1249.788 1243.84 1249.63 Yeah . Yeah , yeah . Yeah , yeah . Certain segments . Okay , yeah , yeah . Alright . 1244.58 1244.87 1246.17 1246.47 1247.13 1248.01 1248.62 1248.88 1249.17 1249.63 EN2002b A FEO070 0 1244.97 1245.452 1245.1 1245.35 Yeah . 1245.35 EN2002b A FEO070 0 1247.977 1248.592 1248.04 1248.56 Yeah . 1248.56 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1251.152 1252.496 1251.23 1252.496 Okay . That 1251.99 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1252.464 1260.456 1252.52 1260.33 Oh yeah ? Okay , then that's then that's not yeah . Yeah , I know . That's sorta what we were thinking before . Actually , but this makes more sense . 1252.87 1253.19 1255.31 1255.81 1256.64 1259.02 1259.29 1260.33 EN2002b A FEO070 0 1252.864 1255.307 1252.88 1255.307 Yeah , that's what and that's what I think we like 1253.18 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1253.195 1253.802 1253.28 1253.802 Because - EN2002b B MEE071 1 1254.511 1256.4 1254.59 1256.4 It says something different there . That's what 1255.8 EN2002b A FEO070 0 1256.48 1256.864 1256.5 1256.83 Okay . 1256.83 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1257.205 1257.995 1257.24 1257.89 Oh right . 1257.89 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1257.824 1266.272 1257.89 1266.23 Then written to a written to a file . I kinda doubt just that it would ever be done . But that will mean that you can only do things on actually no uh , 'cause you need to do things on word level . So yeah , that's fine . 1259.42 1261.2 1263.71 1265.34 1265.71 1266.23 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1261.736 1262.227 1261.76 1262.09 Yeah . 1262.09 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1266.224 1270.026 1266.24 1269.89 Yeah , if we're gonna do the X_M_L_ , then fine , that's that probably makes it easier . 1266.41 1267.5 1268.3 1269.89 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1268.371 1268.944 1268.47 1268.9 Yeah . 1268.9 EN2002b A FEO070 0 1268.694 1271.52 1268.96 1271.47 I mean , we're not really uh well , I mean 1269.15 1271.04 EN2002b A FEO070 0 1272.88 1275.776 1272.9 1275.71 we're not gonna do much more than just look at the - EN2002b A FEO070 0 1277.136 1284.592 1277.16 1284.5 the rem like the text problem with disfluencies , 'cause we're not gonna search it and we're not gonna like listen to it . 1280.41 1284.5 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1285.44 1285.841 1285.46 1285.74 Yeah . 1285.74 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1286.207 1286.672 1286.29 1286.59 Mm-hmm . 1286.59 EN2002b A FEO070 0 1286.416 1288.192 1286.44 1288.16 Since we're not doing the audio thing . 1288.16 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1289.504 1290.009 1289.53 1289.89 Yeah . 1289.89 EN2002b A FEO070 0 1289.872 1295.109 1289.89 1295.03 So I guess just to displaying it is a alright . But , well anyway , yeah . 1293.77 1294.11 1294.79 1295.03 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1290.464 1291.076 1290.48 1291.02 So what ? 1291.02 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1293.136 1295.133 1293.16 1295.08 It's fine . Yeah . 1294.64 1295.08 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1293.374 1294.53 1293.44 1294.34 As text , you mean ? 1294.15 1294.34 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1294.016 1297.02 1294.04 1296.94 Yeah , yeah , you don't really need to do much more with it . Yeah , that's right . 1294.31 1294.54 1296.17 1296.43 1296.94 EN2002b A FEO070 0 1296.018 1296.443 1296.06 1296.34 No . 1296.34 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1296.576 1297.578 1296.6 1297.578 Yeah , but it would 1297.05 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1297.024 1304.85 1297.04 1304.71 The thing is like well how would we display the like if we do take disfluencies out and just c you know , create a text file , take the disfluencies out of the text file and then yeah . 1301.2 1301.87 1304.71 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1302.976 1310.0 1303.01 1310.0 It would just be blurb like a summary . It won't look like it won't say , speaker X_ says this , speaker Y_ says that , speaker Z_ says this . And 1304.73 1306.49 1307.5 1308.54 1309.75 EN2002b A FEO070 0 1308.585 1309.503 1308.7 1309.29 Well that is true . 1309.29 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1309.648 1316.433 1309.67 1316.31 Unless we extract that out of the file when we create the text file . Yeah . That's true too . 1314.86 1315.68 1316.31 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1312.345 1317.367 1312.41 1317.25 Yeah . Then it will look ugly probably , 'cause it will look just black and white . Unless you want as dark colouring . 1312.87 1314.02 1315.98 1317.25 EN2002b A FEO070 0 1316.752 1323.381 1316.77 1323.26 It's probably best and do as you said . Like just like yeah . No . No . 1318.91 1321.49 1322.9 1323.26 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1319.04 1331.226 1319.3 1331.226 I don't think it's gonna take long to to produce anyway . It's just another um I mean these meetings are not endlessly long , it's just words , and to print all of them out selectively 1322.33 1327.76 1328.73 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1321.509 1323.872 1321.63 1323.82 No no , I don't think that's I think it's true . 1322.39 1323.82 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1323.792 1324.24 1323.81 1324.12 Yeah . 1324.12 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1332.336 1333.856 1332.36 1333.856 It does it on the fly anyway , didn't it . So 1333.25 1333.58 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1334.064 1334.586 1334.08 1334.49 Yeah . 1334.49 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1335.072 1338.653 1335.1 1338.59 So then just goes through it and says if this word equals that then print . 1338.59 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1335.205 1335.615 1335.23 1335.44 Yeah . 1335.44 EN2002b A FEO070 0 1339.296 1339.626 1339.32 1339.5 Yeah . 1339.5 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1339.44 1339.808 1339.47 1339.74 Yeah . 1339.74 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1340.884 1341.482 1340.95 1341.482 Um - EN2002b B MEE071 1 1341.808 1343.376 1341.83 1343.376 Just a bunch of if statements is - EN2002b C FEO072 2 1344.144 1350.192 1344.16 1350.16 You could nearly do it together with with uh the transcription with the original transcription , have them run parallel . 1349.15 1350.16 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1344.165 1344.639 1344.27 1344.44 Yeah . 1344.44 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1351.84 1362.32 1351.86 1362.32 So if certain , you know if it's a proper word , print it on both both panes , and if it's not a proper word , then print it only on one . But I mean that's that's , you know , fancy , but 1353.45 1355.9 1357.76 1358.95 1360.24 1361.42 1361.63 1362.12 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1361.748 1362.138 1361.79 1362.02 Mm-hmm . 1362.02 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1364.861 1365.701 1364.93 1365.701 But um - EN2002b B MEE071 1 1364.992 1371.388 1365.01 1371.27 Yeah , you probably could actually . This is probably and that's probably not that much more difficult . You just fatten the code out a bit . I It would be the same thing . 1365.27 1365.98 1367.89 1369.55 1371.27 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1367.164 1367.755 1367.23 1367.7 Yeah . 1367.7 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1369.461 1371.392 1369.52 1371.36 Yeah . But then 1370.75 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1372.416 1384.137 1372.51 1384.07 you know , the the b the good way of doing it um not together is that you if someone doesn't wanna look at the the , you know , the chop file , then you don't ever have to produce it . 1373.14 1381.84 1382.08 1382.73 1384.07 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1382.929 1385.184 1383.0 1385.07 And they can't yeah , exactly . 1384.65 1385.07 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1385.488 1401.485 1385.488 1401.4 . So But I mean you can , you know , you can write we can write something like um we'll try and do it on the fly and and observe if if that gonna is gonna take too long . If it's gonna take too long , we'll think about writing it to a file and doing it off-line . 1385.488 1387.96 1388.26 1395.83 1396.82 1401.4 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1397.524 1397.939 1397.63 1397.85 Right . 1397.85 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1400.048 1407.078 1400.16 1406.96 Shouldn't , no . It's just uh they'd just be if statements when they fast if statements , aren't they . This is loads of if statements . 1400.37 1400.51 1404.04 1405.36 1406.96 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1400.776 1401.298 1400.92 1401.09 Yeah . 1401.09 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1402.942 1403.89 1402.99 1403.82 Yeah , i um . 1403.19 1403.82 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1402.987 1442.401 1403.04 1442.15 Yeah . Or I don't know . I was just thinking as well , I mean we could probably even use like X_S_L_T_ to kinda just transform it and , you know , flip it into uh yeah , just uh transforms um like um style sheet , the um X_M_L_ style sheet . And then it's kinda like there's usually things built in to well should be built into Java , I mean to process X_M_L_ into like in just creates whatever file it's gonna be in . Uh it's been a f couple of years since I've looked into anything like this . But uh that might even be an easier way . And then that way we could even pre-process that before hand . I don't know , do well we don't wanna have to do that , right ? Although on the fly it's typic it's it's typically pretty fun . 1404.01 1405.31 1406.16 1410.88 1411.01 1413.01 1415.84 1417.75 1421.95 1428.37 1431.07 1433.73 1437.25 1437.56 1438.72 1439.63 1442.15 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1412.435 1412.957 1412.46 1412.957 Well is that - EN2002b C FEO072 2 1416.816 1417.482 1416.84 1417.38 Oh right . 1417.38 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1439.232 1451.424 1439.34 1451.37 I wouldn't wanna have to put it take to put it back into X_M_L_ with Java . Even trying to read it in X_M_L_ with Java was complicated enough . I gave up doing that completely and just defaulted back to n uh NITE stuff , 'cause it was much much much easier . 1442.61 1445.69 1449.88 1451.37 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1445.296 1449.271 1445.32 1449.17 Oh right ? Oh really ? Okay . Yeah . 1446.57 1447.31 1448.9 1449.17 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1450.688 1451.102 1450.71 1450.99 Yeah . 1450.99 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1451.44 1451.929 1451.46 1451.85 Yeah . 1451.85 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1452.699 1459.867 1452.83 1459.69 So if we can do it with NITE stuff , do it with NITE stuff , I think . Otherwise , you're gonna be s Java , trying to do s it was just so complicated it was ridiculous . 1454.04 1454.85 1455.18 1455.53 1456.83 1459.69 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1454.369 1456.067 1454.44 1456.067 Yeah , okay . Yeah . 1454.54 1455.24 1456.0 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1458.959 1461.996 1459.0 1461.92 Okay . Yeah . 1461.61 1461.92 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1461.776 1471.056 1461.8 1470.93 Don't believe it . You have to d start defining object models like the NITE thing and getting all bizarre w weird things . It was mad . 1462.89 1470.04 1470.93 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1465.49 1467.466 1465.51 1467.33 Yeah , okay . Are you serious ? 1465.64 1465.96 1467.33 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1468.928 1469.528 1468.95 1469.46 It's insane . 1469.46 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1471.664 1498.326 1471.68 1498.27 Actually I was thinking I might try and talk to who is it , Jonathan and Jean ? Like just to see h what they what system they used to develop this stuff . 'Cause it would be nice to have all the tools there and just like have the object model and just kind of like plug and play with everything and just to actually use the system , you know , at a higher level rather than kinda , you know , playing around with a little bit of code and modifying their code and doing this and that . It'd be nice to just sorta see what they're doing . So I might uh try and contact them , see if there's , I don't know , 1474.07 1475.22 1478.57 1486.85 1486.98 1489.09 1489.21 1492.02 1494.08 1496.75 1497.84 1498.27 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1475.411 1476.128 1475.51 1476.08 Hmm . Mm . 1475.84 1476.08 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1499.616 1505.487 1499.64 1505.42 any other hints they could give us . Just to get things , I don't know , moving at a higher level I guess . 1502.25 1503.58 1504.09 1505.42 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1506.808 1511.408 1506.88 1511.37 It seems it'd be more interesting to use it as a a real developer would . 1511.37 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1513.024 1517.728 1513.04 1517.728 'Cause just seems like a little tinkering here and there and just adding couple things and , I don't know . So 1516.17 1517.43 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1518.768 1521.098 1518.81 1521.03 That's what programming is all about , I'm afraid . 1520.44 1521.03 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1518.871 1519.383 1518.89 1519.29 A channel . 1519.29 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1518.82 1519.194 1518.9 1519.07 Yeah . 1519.07 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1520.348 1538.32 1520.348 1538.32 N no no , it shouldn't be , no . It should be higher level . It should be conceptual and , you know , coming up with the the brilliant ideas and then just , yeah , bringing those to reality . Yeah . I don't know . 1521.9 1522.7 1523.05 1523.97 1526.1 1526.28 1529.19 1530.04 1533.16 1534.41 1538.11 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1531.568 1534.441 1531.59 1534.32 Yeah . Maybe . That's the higher people . 1532.66 1533.23 1534.32 EN2002b A FEO070 0 1538.485 1540.432 1538.55 1540.432 I have a friend there too . 1540.32 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1538.896 1539.76 1538.95 1539.67 Well , I mean 1539.26 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1540.848 1555.327 1540.87 1555.26 yeah , why don't you put both of both of those ideas in into that that paragraph and say you'll have a look at both or something , if you wanna do it . I I personally don't wanna mess with uh writing files or anything the moment . I wanna do it superficially . 1541.16 1548.1 1549.7 1554.09 1555.26 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1547.536 1547.916 1547.56 1547.78 Hmm . 1547.78 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1549.392 1549.793 1549.41 1549.67 Hmm . 1549.67 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1551.43 1551.946 1551.52 1551.82 Yeah . 1551.82 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1558.496 1577.523 1558.64 1577.49 Like the thing that I was thinking there is well is that once it's done for a f you know , one meeting , it's done and it's there . It's file . Text file or X_M_L_ or whatever it is . But yeah , just , I don't know , just it doesn't make any difference really either way to me . It's like hmm if it's fast enough on the fly , then sure . Um that's about the only issue I have with on the fly , whether it's fast enough . 1561.86 1562.45 1563.72 1564.3 1565.82 1566.84 1567.43 1567.98 1570.89 1572.99 1574.02 1576.67 1577.49 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1563.12 1563.578 1563.14 1563.48 Yeah . 1563.48 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1578.016 1578.512 1578.06 1578.48 Yeah . 1578.48 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1578.576 1579.529 1578.67 1579.39 I spoke to . 1579.39 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1578.751 1579.012 1578.82 1578.93 Hmm . 1578.93 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1579.536 1586.754 1579.56 1586.49 Especially with Java and all this other crap . it's just if it's loading the file and doing all the rest and processing the p 1581.82 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1586.384 1588.0 1586.43 1587.95 Well it has already learned it anyway . 1587.95 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1588.064 1588.468 1588.08 1588.36 Yeah . 1588.36 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1589.024 1590.954 1589.08 1590.85 Yeah , it's always it's , is it . 1589.27 1590.28 1590.85 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1591.152 1591.472 1591.2 1591.4 Right . 1591.4 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1592.352 1594.995 1592.37 1594.94 It's just a it's just a for loop , really . Should be fine , yeah . 1593.68 1594.0 1594.73 1594.94 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1594.099 1595.171 1594.15 1595.09 Yep . Yep . 1594.84 1595.09 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1594.103 1598.736 1594.23 1598.7 Yeah . Whether it runs out of memory . Hmm . 1594.96 1598.38 1598.7 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1596.688 1597.353 1596.79 1597.24 Yeah . 1597.24 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1600.08 1600.688 1600.22 1600.688 Um - EN2002b C FEO072 2 1603.664 1607.391 1603.86 1607.3 So should we all write um a letter or two about future work as well ? 1607.3 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1608.848 1611.616 1608.91 1611.616 Yeah , I included a future work in my own section . But 1609.11 1611.31 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1609.072 1610.02 1609.14 1609.96 A word or two . 1609.96 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1611.776 1612.256 1611.8 1612.13 Oh right . 1612.13 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1611.773 1612.197 1611.81 1612.13 Yeah yeah . 1612.13 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1612.8 1618.048 1612.82 1622.74 I just said I said what I've done so far and what I'm gonna do , and some pro some issues . 1616.01 1622.74 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1615.2 1616.817 1615.22 1616.817 Yeah , well maybe you could 1615.55 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1617.199 1619.253 1617.26 1619.22 Right . Actually yeah , that makes sense . 1618.05 1618.52 1619.22 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1617.968 1619.36 1617.99 1619.36 Maybe you could split that up and - EN2002b D MEE073 3 1620.448 1624.042 1620.54 1623.83 Um oh like into each separate I know yeah . 1623.83 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1622.72 1623.836 1622.74 1623.836 I think you lose the - EN2002b C FEO072 2 1622.624 1626.424 1622.78 1626.424 Yeah , like here is what we've done already , and then , you know , down here 1623.03 1624.86 1625.27 1625.68 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1625.584 1634.176 1625.6 1634.176 You might lose a bit of continuity if you do that , though . That's what I was thinking . But sometimes it's easier to have the top it in its own its sections , if you see what I mean . So you talk about speaker characterisation , you say what you've done and 1627.5 1627.6 1628.52 1631.43 1631.94 1633.14 EN2002b A FEO070 0 1626.234 1626.756 1626.33 1626.67 Yeah . 1626.67 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1631.42 1632.225 1631.46 1632.1 Yeah , act 1631.89 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1632.655 1633.478 1632.73 1633.37 Mm . 1633.37 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1633.183 1642.138 1633.26 1642.04 Okay . I think that does make sense . But maybe at the end , maybe just uh a point form of , you know , things that we're still working on , things that we'll do . Yeah , yeah yeah . Yeah . 1633.72 1635.37 1636.09 1637.65 1637.88 1639.67 1640.18 1640.42 1641.92 1642.04 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1639.135 1639.734 1639.19 1639.55 Maybe . 1639.55 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1639.757 1650.844 1639.85 1650.61 Goals or something . Something bullet pr bullet bullet points . Yeah . Because if you have a discursive thing here and then another discursive thing there , if they're not together you lose a lot of the um the continuity , I think . 1641.01 1643.55 1643.81 1647.47 1650.26 1650.61 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1641.012 1644.075 1641.06 1643.95 Yeah , that's right . Yeah . Yeah , maybe . Maybe . 1641.34 1641.93 1642.55 1642.82 1643.57 1643.95 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1643.543 1643.943 1643.59 1643.84 Yeah . 1643.84 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1647.104 1648.311 1647.12 1648.01 Yeah , I know what you mean . 1647.46 1648.01 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1649.145 1651.323 1649.3 1651.14 Mm yeah , maybe you're right . No . 1649.67 1650.79 1651.14 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1649.592 1652.261 1649.68 1652.261 Yep . Yeah . Actually I'll just 1650.91 1651.41 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1651.991 1652.432 1652.02 1652.432 But um - EN2002b D MEE073 3 1681.04 1682.33 1681.12 1682.1 Oh that's true . 1682.1 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1683.312 1690.995 1683.33 1690.995 Sounds good . Anything else anyone wants to talk about ? We're all half-asleep , aren't we ? 1685.47 1688.4 1689.12 1690.92 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1684.841 1686.48 1685.01 1685.96 Hmm 'kay . 1685.96 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1685.2 1686.845 1685.22 1686.75 So apart from that yeah . 1686.75 EN2002b A FEO070 0 1693.253 1693.893 1693.39 1693.78 Yeah . 1693.78 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1693.632 1694.368 1693.65 1694.26 Burnt out . 1694.26 EN2002b A FEO070 0 1695.376 1695.761 1695.376 1695.376 . 1695.376 EN2002b A FEO070 0 1696.832 1705.526 1696.832 1705.526 Yeah , maybe asleep . Yeah um 1701.44 1704.05 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1697.067 1712.401 1697.067 1712.29 What . Huh . Maybe asleep . But uh So we're all still writing our um summaries , sending them to you , you send it on to Pernilla . 1698.5 1699.34 1700.46 1710.28 1711.12 1712.29 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1697.076 1705.799 1697.076 1705.57 Yeah . Snore . Okay . 1702.68 1705.25 1705.57 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1701.248 1701.847 1701.248 1701.72 Yeah . 1701.72 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1711.632 1727.312 1711.65 1727.28 Or or she'll just take she can take it from now . Doesn't matter . Or do you want to or no ? Uh okay I c I can yeah sure , if you wanna send them to me that's fine . Yeah , okay , actually no no n actually that's a good idea , I'll take one quick look over , try and get it as good as I think that we yeah . 1714.47 1715.16 1717.24 1719.12 1721.14 1721.34 1721.59 1723.09 1724.73 1727.28 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1715.319 1716.284 1715.34 1716.284 How kind . 1716.16 EN2002b A FEO070 0 1716.848 1718.117 1716.87 1718.117 What ? 1717.9 EN2002b A FEO070 0 1719.792 1723.584 1719.792 1723.584 . I don't know . It doesn't matter for me either . But 1719.792 1720.91 1723.38 EN2002b A FEO070 0 1726.817 1730.959 1726.91 1730.959 Yeah . I mean if we both yeah . 1727.61 1730.69 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1726.961 1727.5 1727.03 1727.45 Yeah . 1727.45 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1727.36 1729.456 1727.42 1728.99 You stick it together . She'll shine it . 1728.28 1728.99 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1729.376 1729.895 1729.42 1729.72 Okay . 1729.72 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1729.583 1736.742 1729.65 1736.742 Yeah . And then send it on to us so we can nod . 1730.65 1736.52 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1732.729 1733.996 1732.729 1733.996 Yeah . 1733.54 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1732.836 1737.03 1732.836 1737.03 Purely a formality . 1736.28 EN2002b A FEO070 0 1732.5 1747.202 1733.04 1747.202 Yeah . Yeah . And correct back any he like things that I thought was wrong in English or whatever . It like no . That's not that or whatever . 1735.68 1736.6 1741.99 1743.81 1747.03 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1735.97 1736.86 1735.97 1736.86 Yeah . 1736.67 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1740.895 1754.944 1740.895 1754.944 Okay . Sounds good . I haven't used my pen . 1749.96 1751.09 1754.52 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1740.992 1750.272 1740.992 1750.22 Right . Okay , we're changing dialogue back to hello Jean . No . Okay . 1742.9 1743.07 1748.48 1749.86 1750.22 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1741.067 1742.405 1741.7 1742.405 Yeah . 1742.08 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1744.935 1747.08 1744.935 1747.08 Yeah . 1746.69 EN2002b A FEO070 0 1750.598 1751.04 1750.66 1750.97 Yeah . 1750.97 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1752.192 1752.704 1752.192 1752.66 Oh . 1752.66 EN2002b A FEO070 0 1752.519 1763.68 1752.519 1763.53 Oh . It's sad . I write wrote like four lines of whatever . Um yeah , twelve thirty tomorrow with 1753.96 1755.4 1759.83 1761.36 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1754.65 1755.872 1754.79 1755.872 I have . 1755.81 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1759.276 1760.143 1759.32 1759.95 Okay . 1759.95 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1763.648 1765.637 1763.648 1765.43 Oh , oh , right , okay . 1764.47 1764.98 1765.22 1765.43 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1764.324 1767.06 1764.43 1767.0 S Steve-O_ . 1767.0 EN2002b A FEO070 0 1765.136 1765.818 1765.16 1765.68 Steve . 1765.68 EN2002b C FEO072 2 1765.558 1766.465 1765.67 1766.35 Oh God . 1766.35 EN2002b A FEO070 0 1768.736 1773.744 1768.736 1773.56 Yeah . Yeah . 1772.67 1773.56 EN2002b D MEE073 3 1768.822 1771.936 1768.822 1771.79 Well , I thought you had tomorrow off . 1769.33 1771.79 EN2002b B MEE071 1 1782.576 1786.848 1782.73 1786.59 Twelve days and write , yeah . Not much without any of us 1783.57 1783.94 EN2002c B MEE071 2 20.592 27.728 20.66 27.728 Oops . Does it squeeze in , aye , like that ? Yeah . 23.06 24.12 24.45 25.41 27.56 EN2002c C MEE073 3 21.369 21.918 21.49 21.7 'Kay . 21.7 EN2002c B MEE071 2 37.216 38.736 37.216 38.736 Okay . 38.46 EN2002c B MEE071 2 46.358 46.815 46.45 46.71 Right . 46.71 EN2002c C MEE073 3 47.008 51.608 47.03 51.608 Hmm . Did you wanna take a look at comments . There's more uh 47.64 50.99 EN2002c A FEO072 1 53.232 56.634 53.27 56.634 Did we get seven out of ten for the other one ? 56.56 EN2002c B MEE071 2 54.83 59.445 54.96 59.37 Yep . It's going uh . 56.98 59.37 EN2002c C MEE073 3 55.584 56.357 55.6 56.357 Yeah . 55.77 EN2002c C MEE073 3 61.248 62.145 61.32 62.05 Oh ? Okay . 61.76 62.05 EN2002c C MEE073 3 63.552 65.508 63.552 65.24 Excellent . 65.24 EN2002c B MEE071 2 62.032 65.744 64.31 65.744 Okay . 65.31 EN2002c B MEE071 2 67.04 67.779 67.07 67.31 Sure . 67.31 EN2002c C MEE073 3 67.088 68.344 67.11 68.21 Okay , right , see ya . 67.63 67.96 68.21 EN2002c A FEO072 1 67.534 68.008 67.59 67.93 Okay . 67.93 EN2002c C MEE073 3 76.112 76.544 76.13 76.38 Okay . 76.38 EN2002c B MEE071 2 91.792 93.829 91.792 93.53 just said the same things you just said . 93.53 EN2002c C MEE073 3 93.735 94.267 93.86 94.19 Yeah . 94.19 EN2002c A FEO072 1 97.459 99.44 97.459 99.28 Yep . 99.28 EN2002c C MEE073 3 97.52 98.372 97.62 98.22 Mm . 98.22 EN2002c B MEE071 2 100.752 101.558 100.752 100.752 . 100.752 EN2002c C MEE073 3 103.824 104.433 103.84 103.98 'Kay . 103.98 EN2002c B MEE071 2 103.872 105.275 103.98 105.16 So how we're getting along ? 105.16 EN2002c A FEO072 1 107.115 107.711 107.14 107.59 Not bad . 107.59 EN2002c C MEE073 3 107.607 127.227 107.69 127.227 Um one thing that I was wondering , is there a standard control that you use to connect the different things ? Like if you're in a topic and it goes and highlights the topic in the text or whatever , is there a particular type of control that like is there one of these N_X_T_ or sorry , um NITE controls ? N_O_M_ or 110.09 116.23 120.2 124.36 126.46 EN2002c A FEO072 1 124.928 148.569 125.07 148.569 Um I think there is . Just because um the the topic box and all this is um is based on um , oh what's it called , nom no , NITE text area or something . In text area , is that what it is ? Um it has some sort of highlighting stuff there . So you should probably look at the 128.6 136.45 137.44 138.38 141.28 141.95 143.33 146.26 EN2002c C MEE073 3 140.832 141.45 140.86 141.4 Okay . 141.4 EN2002c A FEO072 1 151.024 152.0 151.04 152.0 Um - EN2002c A FEO072 1 155.324 157.413 155.36 157.31 I'm not sure if it's in-built though , to be honest . 156.66 157.31 EN2002c C MEE073 3 157.904 173.475 157.93 173.38 Mm . You haven't had to build any new windows to do that sort of thing . Like other topics or well we're gonna do one for speaker I guess and all the rest , right ? Or no ? No . Well okay , um when we talk about speaker characterization , how are we accessing the list of speakers ? 158.54 162.28 166.38 166.69 167.08 167.79 168.37 171.34 173.38 EN2002c A FEO072 1 166.29 168.136 166.68 167.86 What what what wh wh - EN2002c B MEE071 2 173.273 235.438 173.38 235.32 T uh I wanted to talk about that actually . Um this speaker , um the data processing is fine , but uh we don't particularly want to do the b the the b the GUI for it . No , not really . If someo if you wanna do that , then then tell me how you want the data presented , how the 'cause Do you want me to tell you ? Okay , like , 'cause at the moment , the the the there is I've created two classes , one that represents speakers , one that represents the meetings , and the meet and the information about both is contained within each object . So and then they wr it writes objects and the objects contain all the information about the meetings and the speakers . So that the who the speakers that are at the meetings and the amount they speak , and then the averages are contained with the speakers . So there's two separate class , aren't there . And they all they're two different objects , and you can recall they can write the it writes the objects and then you call the objects back and they ha those returned objects have all the information that they need , and then you can call methods to return whatever you want . Or everything , but that's why I wanted to know how ho what's the easiest way to have the data . 174.86 176.62 178.34 182.62 182.99 183.97 185.35 190.41 191.86 192.03 192.19 193.04 196.85 197.78 199.68 202.95 208.77 212.16 215.28 216.87 218.12 219.65 227.09 231.31 231.98 235.32 EN2002c A FEO072 1 182.451 188.762 182.5 188.69 You don't . Okay , I'll do it . Yeah , I w I was thinking about uh I was going that direction anyway . 183.39 184.1 185.22 185.47 188.69 EN2002c C MEE073 3 183.804 184.361 183.87 184.08 Okay . 184.08 EN2002c C MEE073 3 186.677 187.012 186.7 186.88 Right . 186.88 EN2002c A FEO072 1 190.459 190.991 190.53 190.991 Yeah , that 190.72 EN2002c A FEO072 1 216.848 218.752 216.98 218.752 Okay , yeah . So 217.63 218.36 EN2002c A FEO072 1 229.872 232.754 229.872 232.67 Okay , yeah , I see what you mean . I think . I think . 230.42 230.62 231.59 232.37 232.67 EN2002c A FEO072 1 235.052 240.547 235.2 240.42 So um I uh have you already calculated all this data or are you supposed to do that ? Oh right . 240.02 240.42 EN2002c C MEE073 3 235.782 236.164 235.84 236.08 Hmm . 236.08 EN2002c B MEE071 2 238.824 269.66 238.91 269.61 Yeah , supposedly all calculated , yeah . Um and all stored as objects , so dot object files . Um which means that you just ret call constructor and call the load thing and call it there and you can create a list of them or a vector of them or whatever you wanna do , yeah . And then or just call them one at a time to populate window . But that's what I wanted to how y how what format do you want the data to come back in . 'Cause it can come back as a almost anything . What's easiest to display on the screen . 239.25 240.56 241.99 243.48 245.93 253.89 254.63 257.34 261.49 267.83 269.61 EN2002c C MEE073 3 241.344 241.778 241.42 241.62 Okay . 241.62 EN2002c A FEO072 1 244.864 245.524 244.88 245.35 Alright . 245.35 EN2002c C MEE073 3 245.184 245.65 245.2 245.53 Okay . 245.53 EN2002c C MEE073 3 253.433 253.982 253.63 253.88 Okay . 253.88 EN2002c A FEO072 1 264.523 267.408 264.56 267.37 Uh what should it come back as ? 267.37 EN2002c C MEE073 3 264.592 264.985 264.61 264.9 Yeah . 264.9 EN2002c C MEE073 3 267.912 289.83 268.08 289.83 Actually , I know , that might also help . Like when he was talking about like have an architecture that things are gonna plug into , I mean so that things are all modular , I mean it would be a good idea if we used that same idea for anything else we do . Or what else are we doing ? Um actually even the searches or whatever , you know , just any sort of thing . I mean search results , if they're all in a predictable thing with a name , certain properties or a list of properties , a vector . Whatever . Um 268.72 268.94 269.79 273.29 274.82 277.98 279.54 281.97 282.1 283.42 284.2 286.28 287.8 288.49 289.44 EN2002c A FEO072 1 269.038 270.144 269.13 270.144 Numbers . 269.72 EN2002c B MEE071 2 273.12 273.602 273.14 273.48 Yeah . 273.48 EN2002c B MEE071 2 280.16 280.908 280.21 280.908 Yeah . 280.81 EN2002c B MEE071 2 282.384 283.285 282.4 283.285 Yeah , ca you could 282.68 EN2002c B MEE071 2 286.704 343.454 286.72 343.454 Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . So um so I can have it so that it returns you a 'cause at the moment the main data structures are hash tables for the meetings that say it's got one that says percent it's called percent talk . One's percent noise and one is percent participation . Do you see what I mean ? So and then it's got inside it's got a link for it's got a it's got the n speaker's name , and then it's got their percentage for that thing . So it can either come back as a you can have the hash table or you can have it returned as a vector , and it will say noise . Uh just a string is noise w X_ percent . It will say vector this cou I don't know , whatever . W you can either have it th you could either have it you could i have it like an embedded in vector or array of strings and each one represents one person or whatever . What the what the easiest thing dec how how you wanna display it . Okay . 288.02 289.21 290.41 291.03 305.76 308.6 309.13 314.0 316.96 321.39 323.75 326.89 329.16 329.77 338.1 342.4 343.12 EN2002c A FEO072 1 316.187 317.04 316.24 316.95 Oh , yeah . 316.63 316.95 EN2002c C MEE073 3 337.346 338.613 337.45 338.49 Mm right . 338.49 EN2002c A FEO072 1 338.398 344.009 338.62 344.009 Um whatever you give me I can do it , I think . I mean um 342.33 343.07 EN2002c C MEE073 3 340.435 347.993 340.53 347.88 H um yeah . Yeah . Just a matter of deciding what we what would be easiest , all the way around I mean . 343.42 343.78 346.92 347.88 EN2002c A FEO072 1 345.408 346.063 345.43 346.063 Um - EN2002c B MEE071 2 346.384 348.477 346.4 348.37 Yeah , exactly . Exactly . 346.64 347.95 348.37 EN2002c A FEO072 1 348.526 357.104 348.63 357.104 Um so what will whenever we open a window for one speaker um - EN2002c B MEE071 2 355.12 355.552 355.18 355.48 Yeah . 355.48 EN2002c B MEE071 2 359.6 363.314 359.62 363.17 See that's the ca How did we Can I have a look at that again ? 363.17 EN2002c B MEE071 2 365.152 404.356 365.17 404.28 Okay . S If it's in that format , it's speaker . It's speaker speaker is the uh controlling thing , not yeah , yeah , okay , yeah , yeah . Yeah . So all of this uh all that's calculated as well , stored as speaker objects . Yeah , that's that's easy . Some are quite amusing actually . The uh the influences of I lived in Germany for six months , don't know if that had any effect . Just spend too much time talking to Brits . That was bizarre thing . , where did these people come from . So then the all that's calculated as well . All I have to do is get the dialogue acts . I don't think that'll be difficult . 366.22 368.56 370.82 374.35 375.16 375.4 375.76 375.96 377.1 377.68 379.57 381.91 382.23 383.61 384.76 388.2 389.41 391.37 393.81 393.81 398.76 401.67 403.36 404.28 EN2002c A FEO072 1 368.42 370.906 368.52 370.78 Yeah , yeah . Sh pretty much , I would have thought . 369.12 369.35 370.3 370.78 EN2002c A FEO072 1 373.331 375.643 373.36 375.6 Yep . Yep . Definitely . 374.37 375.04 375.6 EN2002c A FEO072 1 381.44 381.977 381.46 381.9 Oh is it ? 381.9 EN2002c C MEE073 3 388.891 395.051 388.99 394.99 Oh . Right . Okay . Strange . 391.8 392.78 394.58 394.99 EN2002c C MEE073 3 404.88 405.182 404.9 405.1 Right . 405.1 EN2002c B MEE071 2 406.32 406.924 406.41 406.924 Um - EN2002c B MEE071 2 414.288 419.819 414.34 419.73 So then does this how does is how is this box populated ? Is it populated by the one present or the one highlighted ? 417.34 419.73 EN2002c A FEO072 1 420.96 427.619 421.22 427.47 Um the one present . Although we could do th mm we could do the one highlighted I suppose . 423.47 427.47 EN2002c B MEE071 2 422.336 423.525 422.37 423.39 The one present , okay . 423.08 423.39 EN2002c C MEE073 3 424.512 424.988 424.53 424.89 Hmm . 424.89 EN2002c B MEE071 2 429.478 450.772 429.5 450.43 'Cause at the moment I'm using there is there are methods that say um for the using , for other talks . So that's and it says like get get talk time , and you and y it takes a name , so that w could call that would call that and call the meetings method that said return that , and that would populate that , which should be an easy thing to do . Um and the same for that , comes out there . 434.85 435.46 439.11 440.62 444.74 445.6 448.23 449.97 450.43 EN2002c C MEE073 3 429.554 429.881 429.63 429.72 Hmm . 429.72 EN2002c A FEO072 1 441.216 441.644 441.29 441.6 Mm . 441.6 EN2002c C MEE073 3 444.732 445.214 444.82 445.16 Mm-hmm . 445.16 EN2002c A FEO072 1 446.992 447.588 447.06 447.39 Mm-hmm . 447.39 EN2002c A FEO072 1 449.543 471.72 449.63 471.63 I mean that would um that would be um implementing what you said , that you wanna see , per topic you wanna see which one spoken most , something like that . So you could you could zap through these topics uh meetings , sorry . And um and it would come up with how much they spoke and you can pick the one that s looks the most interesting . So do you wanna do that then ? 453.99 455.22 457.89 458.89 463.19 464.2 470.31 471.63 EN2002c B MEE071 2 461.968 464.017 461.99 463.9 Meetings . Yeah , yeah . 463.52 463.74 463.9 EN2002c B MEE071 2 468.288 470.491 468.34 470.44 Yep . Yeah yeah , that would be easy as well , yeah . 468.99 469.37 470.24 470.44 EN2002c C MEE073 3 470.812 471.153 470.85 471.1 Mm-hmm . 471.1 EN2002c B MEE071 2 471.968 482.044 471.99 482.0 Yeah , okay . So I'll w I'll just leave in lots of methods that st that'll just return one number at a time . That'll be the easiest way to do , yeah . Okay , yeah , that's fine . 472.15 472.39 477.77 478.85 480.3 481.05 481.41 482.0 EN2002c A FEO072 1 476.874 480.092 477.15 480.04 Yeah . Yeah . Yeah , definitely . 478.43 479.36 479.57 480.04 EN2002c A FEO072 1 481.605 486.745 481.66 486.745 So yeah , random things like just like return talking time . Or 482.55 486.4 EN2002c B MEE071 2 485.632 489.556 485.65 489.48 Yeah . Get talk time I think it's called at the moment , something like that , yeah . 487.0 488.64 489.3 489.48 EN2002c A FEO072 1 488.656 490.08 488.68 490.05 Yeah . Good . 489.73 490.05 EN2002c A FEO072 1 491.76 492.435 491.78 492.435 Yeah , I mean 492.04 EN2002c C MEE073 3 492.224 500.14 492.24 500.04 So each time are you going straight to the X_M_L_ files for for the information or right . Oh well . Oh , I see . Okay , I see . Okay , right . 497.23 497.57 497.8 498.5 499.04 499.65 499.87 500.04 EN2002c B MEE071 2 495.659 529.082 495.71 528.79 No , it's stored as an object file . It processes a whole lot off-line and stores it as an object , and then they're much much smaller . They're only like a one um one thou one K_ . Yeah , it's all pre-processed . And then it's just each method object's got a return bunch of return methods . You have to g re-create the object . It's got a load method . So what you do is you call a null constructor , 'cause if you call the th proper constructor for each meeting , it goes off and does all the processing and stores own object . And then um if you call a null constructor , then you pr call load and you can call load and whatever one or all of them or anything like that . Go through a list . 496.0 497.13 500.09 501.4 505.61 505.78 506.71 509.93 511.16 513.06 514.81 517.69 520.52 523.56 528.05 528.79 EN2002c C MEE073 3 502.493 513.667 502.58 513.45 Right , okay . So it's all just pre-processed and just okay . Thanks . Right . Okay . Right . Okay . That's cool . 502.78 504.22 506.63 508.13 509.1 510.55 512.27 513.09 513.45 EN2002c C MEE073 3 519.563 520.619 519.59 520.44 Yeah , right . 520.22 520.44 EN2002c C MEE073 3 526.352 537.237 526.49 537.05 Right . Is this is it for the entire corpus ? Or is it just like individual ones , like t one fi one object for okay . That's nice . Oh , each meeting , okay . Alright . 528.11 531.16 532.33 534.76 535.4 535.68 536.14 536.86 537.05 EN2002c B MEE071 2 531.212 531.562 531.32 531.46 Yeah . 531.46 EN2002c B MEE071 2 533.952 539.533 533.97 539.41 One object for each meeting . Yeah . Although yeah , yeah . Although you c 536.33 536.83 537.65 538.12 EN2002c C MEE073 3 539.168 544.329 539.19 544.329 Wonder if that would be useful for some of the other stuff we're doing . Well , yeah . No . No no . Just 541.32 542.26 543.24 543.56 543.85 EN2002c B MEE071 2 543.149 551.526 543.24 551.44 Yeah . It's just tell it tells you who participated . At the moment it tells you who participated and the amount they participated in percentages , and in time as well . 543.56 545.61 550.51 551.44 EN2002c C MEE073 3 548.688 549.219 548.71 549.11 Right , okay . 548.86 549.11 EN2002c C MEE073 3 550.437 550.903 550.49 550.84 Okay . 550.84 EN2002c A FEO072 1 550.668 558.456 551.28 558.29 Can you put in there what topic was spoken about as well ? Then I could use that for the for the topic pop up window . 554.76 558.29 EN2002c B MEE071 2 553.904 555.845 553.92 555.74 Yeah yeah , that'll be pro that'd be easy , yeah . 554.27 555.46 555.74 EN2002c C MEE073 3 554.952 555.293 555.02 555.25 Yeah . 555.25 EN2002c C MEE073 3 558.432 558.8 558.45 558.72 Alright . 558.72 EN2002c B MEE071 2 558.88 564.401 559.03 564.35 Yeah , if that won't be too difficult . But that would be that would cause a problem with anything that wasn't annotated for topics . 559.37 560.71 564.35 EN2002c A FEO072 1 560.651 561.283 560.75 561.13 That'd be r - EN2002c A FEO072 1 565.392 566.117 565.41 566.07 That wasn't what? . 566.07 EN2002c C MEE073 3 566.032 572.003 566.09 572.003 Or just return a null or a blank or a blank string or something , yeah . Yeah . 569.06 570.22 571.09 EN2002c B MEE071 2 567.447 577.36 567.52 577.36 Oh yeah . No , topic specified , yeah have a default , yeah . There are some there are some default actually . The um a lot of people don't get their own ch and other stuff . But 567.95 568.17 569.05 569.81 571.42 573.73 577.1 EN2002c A FEO072 1 571.414 571.886 571.47 571.71 Yeah . 571.71 EN2002c C MEE073 3 574.248 574.647 574.34 574.58 Hmm . 574.58 EN2002c C MEE073 3 575.888 576.261 575.93 576.14 Alright . 576.14 EN2002c A FEO072 1 576.584 588.106 576.65 588.106 Yeah . Because at the moment if you right-click on a topic window on one of the topics , you have the option of pop popping open a window which gives you a list of all the meetings containing that topic . So 577.31 580.78 587.47 EN2002c B MEE071 2 586.816 587.225 586.84 587.19 Yeah . 587.19 EN2002c B MEE071 2 588.489 603.333 588.62 603.21 Okay . Right . Y oh yeah , that wouldn't be a problem . And then you could do a search over the meetings over the objects . 'Cause that's the thing , these these are so small , they can load each o all of the whole lot up and do a search of the whole lot to find who by who and what problem or what topics were in what . So it doesn't crash the thing . 589.02 589.24 589.54 590.29 593.46 594.34 595.79 602.1 603.21 EN2002c A FEO072 1 598.745 599.136 598.81 599.04 Yeah . 599.04 EN2002c C MEE073 3 599.456 602.674 599.48 602.58 Yeah . Right . Okay . It's a good idea . 600.36 601.47 602.08 602.58 EN2002c A FEO072 1 600.516 600.907 600.57 600.83 Yep . 600.83 EN2002c A FEO072 1 603.472 612.599 603.66 612.599 So how how would you d how would you calculate that ? Would you do the summarisation as you populate it ? You know , just yeah , for the global 606.22 610.43 610.61 612.04 EN2002c B MEE071 2 610.196 615.626 610.27 615.626 What the global statistics come straight off of that , don't they . 'Cause they're just for the meter met th the 612.74 613.53 EN2002c A FEO072 1 615.492 622.203 615.53 622.1 Oh right , so oh , so that that is all sta stored together . Oh right , okay . Okay . 615.91 616.4 620.06 620.55 621.72 622.1 EN2002c B MEE071 2 618.102 622.384 618.22 622.25 The speaker class knows about all of that stuff , and the meeting class knows about that stuff . 620.66 622.25 EN2002c B MEE071 2 625.632 626.099 625.65 626.099 Um - EN2002c A FEO072 1 625.621 632.764 625.68 632.764 Sounds good . So have you done these yet , the no . Mm just gotta decide on what we wanna 627.08 628.15 630.55 EN2002c B MEE071 2 628.56 630.336 628.58 630.17 No no , but I don't think that'll be too difficult . 628.87 630.17 EN2002c B MEE071 2 632.848 638.09 632.89 638.06 What we want , yeah . I thought the other stuff was more important anyway , so I did that first . 633.42 635.28 637.06 638.06 EN2002c A FEO072 1 635.153 646.5 635.27 646.5 Um Yeah , definitely . Yeah . So it's all all usable now , can I do it tonight ? 637.18 638.0 639.48 641.01 645.94 EN2002c C MEE073 3 638.304 638.713 638.33 638.61 Mm-hmm . 638.61 EN2002c B MEE071 2 642.697 654.306 642.79 654.306 Mm no , design the GUI first , and uh 'cause it it w the problem is if you change the classes , it the object's serial numbers change and you can't re-load the object , so all the processing has to be done over again . And I haven't quite finished it . So 644.31 645.36 648.38 651.4 652.72 653.98 EN2002c C MEE073 3 645.517 647.325 645.517 646.94 Yeah . 646.94 EN2002c A FEO072 1 655.392 655.834 655.42 655.69 Hmm . 655.69 EN2002c B MEE071 2 656.01 673.028 656.05 672.93 It would become out of synch and get a bit funny . If I gave you one if I gave you it one and you worked on it , and then I changed it and run the thing again , you wouldn't ever be able to load the objects back up . And you'd have to and then you'd have a v multiple copies of objects all over the place and it'd get silly , I think . 659.49 662.89 664.63 667.87 672.6 672.93 EN2002c C MEE073 3 664.962 665.262 665.01 665.14 Yeah . 665.14 EN2002c A FEO072 1 666.608 667.347 666.67 667.22 Oh , I see . 666.8 667.22 EN2002c C MEE073 3 667.168 667.457 667.22 667.36 Yeah . 667.36 EN2002c A FEO072 1 672.17 677.101 672.25 677.101 Yeah . Well , let me know when when it's sort of usable . Or at least 673.08 673.32 676.48 EN2002c B MEE071 2 676.337 688.656 676.37 688.6 But if you can if you wanna make the picture c you can do that without anything , I'm presuming . Ju just the That , yeah . The text box . 'Cause that doesn't Okay . 680.26 682.65 683.83 684.59 685.69 688.6 EN2002c A FEO072 1 681.36 687.971 681.38 687.83 What do you mean , a picture ? Do you mean just the yeah , but it's not gonna take very long . I mean it's m yeah . 681.68 682.32 684.99 686.07 687.83 EN2002c C MEE073 3 684.492 684.85 684.52 684.74 'Kay . 684.74 EN2002c B MEE071 2 690.624 699.348 690.74 699.24 Alright . Well it won't take very long to get it all finished . But I think I'll need to have done all of this stuff too first . 'Cause otherwise the objects won't be the same . 691.1 694.2 697.66 699.24 EN2002c A FEO072 1 697.152 697.626 697.18 697.47 Mm . 697.47 EN2002c A FEO072 1 699.856 700.184 699.88 700.11 Hmm . 700.11 EN2002c C MEE073 3 700.064 700.513 700.09 700.39 Mm-hmm . 700.39 EN2002c A FEO072 1 702.641 706.956 702.72 706.956 Sounds good . So where is that ? Is that stored in the uh 703.86 704.52 EN2002c B MEE071 2 706.432 708.014 706.56 707.93 No , it's on my home directory . 706.67 707.93 EN2002c A FEO072 1 708.96 711.431 708.98 711.35 On your home directory , not in the okay . 710.09 711.35 EN2002c B MEE071 2 710.045 714.394 710.15 714.34 Yeah . No , I haven't global yet . When it's finished up global , otherwise it would get confusing . 710.77 711.13 712.12 713.28 714.34 EN2002c C MEE073 3 711.428 711.764 711.52 711.69 Yeah . 711.69 EN2002c A FEO072 1 713.019 713.277 713.06 713.22 Yeah . 713.22 EN2002c C MEE073 3 714.212 726.013 714.3 726.013 Yeah . Actually I can up-load my stuff as well , I just have to make one change to your file . Just to load this one instead of the the default . So it's two lines of code . So 714.84 716.38 719.09 722.4 725.66 EN2002c A FEO072 1 714.656 715.256 714.68 715.2 Sounds good . 715.2 EN2002c A FEO072 1 721.888 722.437 721.91 722.25 Alright . 722.25 EN2002c A FEO072 1 725.12 733.296 725.14 733.2 Yeah . Well , are you wanting to write that in directly or what what do you wanna do with that ? If you wanna change my code . 725.63 725.84 732.06 733.2 EN2002c C MEE073 3 730.669 731.739 730.7 731.63 Um what do you mean ? 731.63 EN2002c C MEE073 3 733.312 737.073 733.36 736.98 Well yeah , just the one thing that's like the action for loading up the search thing . 733.71 736.98 EN2002c A FEO072 1 735.491 741.306 735.52 741.21 You're yeah , but are you do you wanna change that m the original M_ browser file then ? Or yeah . 736.19 740.28 741.21 EN2002c C MEE073 3 740.55 746.988 740.58 746.93 Yeah . Well your version , yeah , yeah . Yes . No . I did in my directory , just uh just do that , yeah . 741.14 741.8 742.08 743.11 743.92 744.27 745.4 746.73 746.93 EN2002c A FEO072 1 742.845 743.983 742.88 743.983 Have you done that now ? Or 743.56 EN2002c A FEO072 1 745.664 748.393 745.68 748.31 Oh , okay , so not the actual one but a copy of it . 746.28 746.54 748.31 EN2002c C MEE073 3 748.736 759.385 748.76 759.31 Um I have a copy , yes . I'm yeah . But I will yeah , I was going to update that one just 'cause yeah , it just makes sense that then you then you can test out yeah . Right . 751.19 751.76 752.45 753.7 755.93 759.06 759.31 EN2002c A FEO072 1 751.424 753.112 751.46 753.112 Okay , yeah . No , I just 752.01 752.69 752.8 EN2002c A FEO072 1 756.88 767.963 756.9 767.83 Well just just tell me when , because I usually I usually work on my own copy for for the day and then update it without checking if th if the one in the one in the shared one has changed . So Okay . 758.18 766.25 767.83 EN2002c C MEE073 3 761.008 763.261 761.14 763.1 Right , yeah , and then update . Yep . 761.36 761.62 763.0 763.1 EN2002c C MEE073 3 764.924 771.065 764.98 771.02 Yeah . Yeah , I haven't I haven't made any changes to it yet . So yeah . Um yeah , I'll just make that one and I'll let you know . 765.47 765.63 767.44 769.02 769.83 771.02 EN2002c A FEO072 1 772.064 772.938 772.08 772.83 Yeah , let me know . 772.34 772.83 EN2002c C MEE073 3 773.088 786.362 773.11 786.25 'Cause yeah , like I say , two lines of code , if that . So , anyways um and then you can play . There's not much to do yet . But Have to get better results , like better presented . 773.58 773.94 775.63 775.97 777.5 781.32 782.33 784.94 786.25 EN2002c A FEO072 1 775.216 775.577 775.24 775.5 Yeah . 775.5 EN2002c A FEO072 1 778.093 778.533 778.13 778.4 Cool . 778.4 EN2002c A FEO072 1 785.648 790.025 785.79 789.92 So is that what you're working on now then , to in to rip to present the results nice overall ? 787.28 789.92 EN2002c C MEE073 3 788.16 813.291 788.18 813.04 Yeah . Yeah , and just um to wire in the the topics and uh summaries . So um yeah , that's pr Well , also yeah , like that , that as well . So yeah . Yeah . just wanna find out what kind of objects those were that um for the other ones . So It goes in and highlights , 'cause that's I know . 789.38 790.02 795.43 797.65 799.48 800.05 800.68 801.15 802.11 802.97 808.74 810.75 813.04 EN2002c A FEO072 1 797.217 799.207 797.26 799.207 You mean the hi highlighting stuff ? Or 798.93 EN2002c A FEO072 1 811.568 834.112 811.59 834.07 Yeah . Actually for um um for an N_ text area , whatever it is , um they they defined some ha handy highlights on that . So you've got different different highlights . You've got just look at the the what they wrote about it . They've got like user highlights , um selection highlights , time highlights and 813.52 816.72 817.96 822.92 824.43 828.47 830.31 832.35 EN2002c C MEE073 3 817.632 818.089 817.73 817.93 Hmm . 817.93 EN2002c C MEE073 3 823.224 823.697 823.26 823.59 Oh yeah ? 823.59 EN2002c A FEO072 1 835.616 836.553 835.64 836.48 something else . 836.48 EN2002c A FEO072 1 838.592 846.3 838.66 846.15 So you can quite easily if your text area is called area , you just do area dot set highlights or something , you know . Something like that . 841.96 844.96 845.5 846.15 EN2002c C MEE073 3 845.12 845.771 845.21 845.69 Okay . 845.69 EN2002c C MEE073 3 847.776 848.24 847.8 848.17 Right . 848.17 EN2002c A FEO072 1 849.008 854.316 849.03 854.17 That's the way I did it to to highlight , to cross-highlight between topic and then transcripts . 851.17 854.17 EN2002c C MEE073 3 850.592 851.075 850.62 850.95 Okay . 850.95 EN2002c C MEE073 3 855.878 856.896 855.93 856.81 Okay , sounds good . 856.41 856.81 EN2002c A FEO072 1 856.448 856.92 856.47 856.85 Sorta thing . 856.85 EN2002c C MEE073 3 858.848 890.274 858.92 890.01 Um so yeah , just a few more things to do with that and then uh once Pernilla gets the uh the index , um then that's gonna be kind of fun . Like I'm just wondering , have you had to well the way you're doi I was gonna ask if the way you were doing it , you were loading like a new corpus each time for each meeting , but you're doing the objects . So you don't need to just uh 'cause if we're if we do have t like if the inverted search says that there's , you know , ten documents , are we gonna have to load each of these ten corp corpora just to um do the individual next uh N_X_T_ search ? 860.24 865.48 868.2 868.86 871.7 874.78 875.88 882.73 882.89 883.52 890.01 EN2002c B MEE071 2 890.288 933.266 890.41 933.266 That way it doesn't crash if you try and load all ten in one it crashes , doesn't it . It it's a bit dumb , if you can fool it , if you c if you c load up ten different si engines simultaneously , it can do that fine . But it can't do them it can't do them if it thinks one , 'cause then it's about the amount that each if you you have to kinda call a new class and then it will do it fine , but if you don't then it won't l Yeah , it says okay , oh yeah , I've got all this space , you can use some . Otherwise it goes oh no . It talks to me , yeah . Say nice machine , it goes 893.09 894.44 895.71 896.49 900.63 903.05 905.83 911.42 914.12 914.83 915.19 916.12 918.01 918.84 923.64 925.82 926.8 EN2002c C MEE073 3 893.758 895.755 893.8 895.33 Yeah , I think probably , yeah . 894.29 894.92 895.33 EN2002c C MEE073 3 901.501 904.064 901.501 904.064 Are you serious ? That's a 903.73 EN2002c A FEO072 1 902.299 904.959 902.39 904.76 Really ? Really ? 904.31 904.76 EN2002c C MEE073 3 908.603 915.304 908.603 915.304 Yeah , okay . That's insane . 'Kay . 911.24 912.94 914.08 914.85 EN2002c A FEO072 1 911.33 942.501 911.33 942.39 Oh yeah , allocates more dat more room or whatever . More memory . Does it talk to you now , does it ? Yeah . Spent too much time in front of it , I think . Mm . Right , well I've been uh I've been doing some random pop-up windows for the speaker characterisation , which is good . So I can feel that in now . The windows are all there now after lots of fiddling . 912.23 914.66 921.96 922.99 927.83 929.12 930.79 931.9 932.87 933.14 937.06 937.64 939.49 942.39 EN2002c C MEE073 3 917.21 921.053 917.38 920.94 Right , okay . Okay . 917.57 920.49 920.94 EN2002c C MEE073 3 937.872 939.312 937.95 939.25 Oh yeah . Okay . 938.98 939.25 EN2002c B MEE071 2 942.656 944.355 942.76 944.24 Oh , they're done , are they ? Okay , cool . 942.9 943.26 943.51 944.01 944.24 EN2002c A FEO072 1 944.448 1002.262 944.47 1002.262 Well , you know , just the pop uh pop-up window was difficult enough . Because um it it m basically has to set up um like whatever ten pop-up windows in memory , as in already initialize them , because there's there might be ten speakers that all have to have different mee windows and Um and I'm working on when you click on a topic to see a list of the of the topics of of of the meetings that that topic was mentioned in . And I have uh a question about the we said we wanted a start screen . What kind of start screen do we want ? I mean do we want some general blurb about welcome to the browser or something ? Some animation dancing on . 944.71 945.01 948.3 956.45 958.52 976.25 983.98 986.86 999.1 1001.94 EN2002c B MEE071 2 946.416 947.706 946.45 947.53 They pop up . Uh yeah . 946.93 947.53 EN2002c C MEE073 3 960.544 962.445 960.59 962.33 Okay . Oh . 962.0 962.33 EN2002c C MEE073 3 974.928 975.434 975.0 975.35 Okay . 975.35 EN2002c C MEE073 3 982.512 982.919 982.53 982.84 Hmm . 982.84 EN2002c B MEE071 2 990.427 1007.477 990.83 1007.477 Welcome to the L_S_ N_L_S_D_ browser . Some some some speech and some music , some drum rolls . Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . 994.38 997.01 1000.82 1001.07 1001.49 1007.33 EN2002c C MEE073 3 990.987 1010.232 991.12 1010.11 Or just or is it more like right . Oh right , yeah , exactly . It doesn't take too long , no . Just we have to yeah , while we're debugging we'll probably be getting sick of it . Um but no , or something that just sort of guides them to the most obvious things . Yeah . 997.25 997.7 997.84 999.59 1000.79 1001.54 1002.82 1005.9 1006.94 1009.87 1010.11 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1008.937 1018.328 1009.3 1018.19 Yeah . So do we want yeah , maybe we could write an on like the whatever it's called , the the top of the window saying welcome to the meeting browser . 1010.16 1012.01 1014.89 1018.19 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1017.584 1018.989 1017.6 1018.9 Hmm . Right . 1018.66 1018.9 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1018.447 1028.072 1018.48 1027.97 Yeah . Or a switch-board that comes up that's just a blank form like that with some buttons on . Load me a meeting , load me a search , load me something else . Whistle a tune . 1019.25 1023.81 1024.64 1025.42 1027.17 1027.97 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1019.708 1020.324 1019.708 1020.324 . 1020.324 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1023.04 1023.379 1023.06 1023.31 Yeah . 1023.31 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1026.272 1026.705 1026.29 1026.59 Yeah . 1026.59 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1028.24 1043.874 1028.24 1043.8 Yeah , but how ? M I mean at the moment the way it is it's uh it's a drop down menu , as you've seen , um with all the and that because it's it's the dialogue class that you use there . 1029.56 1030.37 1034.23 1035.96 1043.8 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1034.384 1035.511 1034.4 1035.44 Yeah , right . 1035.25 1035.44 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1035.056 1035.571 1035.08 1035.53 Yeah . 1035.53 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1037.756 1039.627 1037.84 1039.49 Mm should mm . 1039.49 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1044.576 1052.483 1044.6 1052.39 Yeah . I was just gonna ask if we should assume that they all wanna load a meeting first , but not necessarily . I guess if they're doing a search on the entire , yeah , corpus . 1045.15 1048.22 1049.05 1051.4 1051.94 1052.39 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1051.232 1061.462 1051.45 1061.462 Yeah . I mean I think they should have two options , either load up a meeting that they choose or do a search . And through that , once you've got the results , you click on something and that loads up the first 1051.97 1053.77 1058.14 1058.81 1059.66 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1057.632 1059.011 1057.65 1058.92 Yeah , that kinda makes sense . 1058.04 1058.92 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1057.876 1065.537 1057.94 1065.37 Hmm . I that's cheaper than X_T_ search . It would need you to have a meeting loaded before it will start doing any searching at all , doesn't it ? 1059.45 1061.73 1065.07 1065.37 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1064.777 1067.988 1064.87 1067.92 Right . Well we can put the logic in a , yeah . 1065.55 1067.58 1067.92 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1065.133 1067.361 1065.24 1067.26 Oh . Does it ? Oh . 1066.41 1066.81 1067.26 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1067.695 1073.067 1067.74 1072.96 You can't the the only thing you can search is a NITE object model , and the only time you get one of those if you've loaded an observation . 1070.57 1072.96 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1068.405 1070.044 1068.46 1069.87 Oh ju just bec mm . 1069.87 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1072.668 1078.92 1072.7 1078.85 I could probably even that s shouldn't be too hard to put a check in there . And if it hasn't loaded then force him to load one . 1077.14 1078.85 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1073.6 1074.636 1073.6 1074.48 Oh . 1074.48 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1079.136 1090.645 1079.16 1090.645 Yeah , which we but doesn't that way c you cou you could use the inverted file search to return a list of of meetings and then use one of those to load a search . But you won't 1079.42 1089.22 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1087.968 1088.336 1088.0 1088.29 Mm-hmm . 1088.29 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1090.912 1093.568 1090.93 1093.568 Can you not get this nom object um - EN2002c B MEE071 2 1093.597 1109.065 1093.68 1108.87 It has to be an observation , and even if you go and se you can go and search the whole corpus from that , but you have to have it has to start with something for some bizarre reason . The engine there's only one there's only one search method to the search engine . Uh the engine class only has one search method . 1094.8 1097.43 1100.8 1106.75 1108.87 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1102.448 1102.768 1102.48 1102.73 Mm-hmm . 1102.73 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1104.823 1105.912 1104.86 1105.83 Yeah . Mm-hmm . 1105.57 1105.83 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1107.814 1118.08 1108.08 1117.99 I suppose we wouldn't wanna use yeah , we yeah , we wouldn't wanna use N_X_T_ at the beginning anyway , because we don't wanna search um locally , we wanna search globally . So d so let's say 1110.04 1110.39 1112.39 1114.55 1115.97 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1114.816 1116.0 1114.84 1115.96 Yeah , yeah , globally , yeah . 1115.05 1115.27 1115.76 1115.96 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1117.232 1120.832 1117.232 1120.832 Unless they know what meeting it is . Well yeah , it's hard to 1119.38 1120.31 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1119.456 1119.794 1119.48 1119.74 Yeah . 1119.74 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1120.352 1130.896 1120.37 1130.79 Well no , then they would open the meeting first , right ? So let's say they have two options , either pick one meeting or search globally to find a meeting that they like . 1120.68 1122.29 1123.9 1125.37 1130.79 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1122.728 1123.086 1122.75 1123.02 Yeah . 1123.02 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1122.736 1123.136 1122.76 1123.01 Yeah . 1123.01 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1131.152 1131.517 1131.17 1131.47 Yep . 1131.47 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1135.04 1149.787 1135.09 1149.787 Yeah . Or well the things they may n just be looking for a word or whate you know , like and if it shows up ten different meetings , then at that point they'll probably wanna like we do we want to like if it dumped by default goes with the first one and they want number five of the ones that are returned , I mean then they have to go through the 1135.46 1138.82 1141.27 1148.68 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1143.292 1143.674 1143.35 1143.64 Yeah . 1143.64 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1149.753 1152.289 1149.8 1152.22 No , but why do we want default ? I mean just you know . 1149.94 1151.06 1152.22 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1151.826 1154.312 1151.85 1154.312 Well no , t like to load up Like the thing is that I think 1152.17 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1155.776 1180.135 1155.8 1180.07 Uh like when it loads up it'll load up the transcript window and the , whatever , other window . Right now I think just the topic ones . Um Although the time is probably more um caused by loading the actual data . So I'm just thinking if it's kinda like you were saying , you have to have a nom object , right ? I mean before you do a search at all on this . Yeah . Okay , right , yeah . That's true , yeah . 1158.91 1159.4 1160.03 1162.06 1168.26 1171.99 1174.12 1174.56 1178.36 1178.76 1178.99 1179.19 1179.53 1179.86 1180.07 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1177.061 1182.05 1177.11 1182.01 Yeah , but local search . We can't do global search without anything . Pretty much . 1177.28 1178.66 1181.49 1182.01 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1181.264 1184.866 1181.31 1184.866 It doesn't take long to load up anyway . You can load a dumb one up that doesn't have any 1182.93 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1184.492 1196.646 1184.53 1196.646 Yeah , but the okay , the global one feeds into the local . Um so if we're getting any usable data it's it's gonna be doing a search on each of those files . So it's gonna be loading up each of those one at a time to get the data that we wanna 1185.0 1185.94 1188.25 1193.18 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1189.008 1190.728 1189.03 1190.728 Yeah , I mean the local 1189.14 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1194.282 1203.971 1194.39 1203.92 Yeah . But yeah , the the global um inverted file search gives the nom objects basically to the local search , right ? 1195.72 1196.37 1203.64 1203.92 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1203.699 1204.489 1203.72 1204.34 Exactly , yeah . 1204.07 1204.34 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1204.196 1208.962 1204.28 1208.962 Right . But it's it could be time consuming , like if there are ten documents that hit with this thing , then 1204.7 1206.19 1208.72 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1207.644 1209.948 1207.72 1209.79 Well yeah , th that's always gonna be the case with search . 1208.0 1209.79 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1210.272 1213.984 1210.3 1213.88 Yeah . But only gives one at a time anyway , doesn't it ? 'Cause otherwise you'll crash the thing . 1210.92 1212.2 1212.55 1213.88 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1210.468 1210.833 1210.6 1210.75 Oh . 1210.75 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1214.224 1253.641 1214.24 1253.38 Um yeah , well I'm j just thinking of some way we could , you know , st cash the results and in a nice little format that'll make things a bit easier . But the thing is I mean if we've got that , then it's gonna be needing really really to load the entire corpus for that meeting , if uh if it's trying to show us where those were , if it's trying to highlight those in the text , transcript or whatever . And we're gonna have to have all that other data in there . So each time when we have a she search window and we have like , you know , ten different meetings , you know , with the word wireless comes up , go to meeting one , then it has to reload the nom object . Next one . I mean that's gonna that could be yeah ? Okay , right . 1215.15 1217.25 1217.43 1223.17 1224.34 1230.43 1232.69 1234.15 1235.39 1237.75 1240.33 1240.48 1241.32 1241.5 1243.07 1243.63 1246.88 1248.37 1252.72 1252.96 1253.38 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1249.392 1255.264 1249.53 1255.23 Yeah . It's not too slow though , that thing . It shouldn't it's not it's not too bad on that . I don't think that will be a much of a problem . 1249.92 1250.99 1251.39 1253.28 1255.23 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1255.264 1274.78 1255.39 1274.64 It always seems to be slow loading up the first time at least , like that's all I I've been doing lately is just sort of loading it up , test it , try something else and then shut down , load it up . But So um so just sorta based on that as a yeah . But uh if it doesn't take that long each time , then that should be f alright . 1258.03 1260.76 1261.4 1263.23 1263.92 1269.75 1272.14 1274.64 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1258.576 1259.434 1258.66 1259.37 Yeah yeah . 1259.37 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1259.465 1260.039 1259.55 1259.93 Mm . 1259.93 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1265.104 1265.728 1265.13 1265.63 Yeah . 1265.63 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1275.253 1301.377 1275.54 1301.377 I mean you can uh you know , the option is to do a search in the way that you d if you do a global search , first as a first step , and you return the meetings , as in they're not even the meetings but the name of the meetings , so you know , say you wanna search for the word language , then it gives you as a result all the meetings that contain the word language . And then you can decide well I wanna search on this and this and this meeting , or only on this meeting , or 1277.34 1282.57 1283.67 1285.25 1288.25 1289.07 1292.37 1296.71 1299.8 1301.04 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1281.328 1281.648 1281.37 1281.61 Hmm . 1281.61 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1286.037 1287.817 1286.26 1287.74 Yeah . Yeah , right . 1287.41 1287.55 1287.74 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1295.788 1296.303 1295.788 1296.22 Yeah . 1296.22 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1298.931 1300.195 1298.931 1300.06 Yeah . That's true . 1299.73 1300.06 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1302.096 1309.257 1302.14 1309.21 Yeah , yeah . Ma make it strings for as long as possible , and then only return the things when they actually needs to has to search . When it needs to be loaded . 1302.37 1302.71 1304.78 1308.17 1309.21 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1302.042 1303.131 1302.15 1303.131 Yeah . That 1302.85 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1305.302 1305.775 1305.35 1305.68 Yeah . 1305.68 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1308.155 1322.1 1308.24 1322.1 Yeah , that makes sense . And that way if they know specifically which meaning it is then that'll save the time . Because I'm sure they don't wanna have the extra loading time either if they could avoid it . So yeah , or they could check mark against the ones they wanna check . So 1308.58 1310.61 1314.06 1318.8 1319.25 1321.8 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1312.649 1313.115 1312.68 1313.05 Yeah . 1313.05 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1313.968 1314.385 1313.99 1314.28 Yeah . 1314.28 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1317.104 1317.572 1317.16 1317.54 Yeah . 1317.54 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1318.416 1319.208 1318.46 1319.17 Definitely , yeah . 1318.88 1319.17 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1319.088 1319.435 1319.11 1319.31 Yeah . 1319.31 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1322.432 1324.752 1322.45 1324.71 Did we think about um - EN2002c B MEE071 2 1326.608 1328.288 1326.81 1328.24 better names for the meetings ? 1328.24 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1329.712 1338.484 1329.88 1338.38 Well I think they were in the text . We can probably do that ourselves and just sort of B_D_B_ , you know , just do a a string . 1331.08 1333.81 1334.12 1338.38 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1334.816 1355.564 1334.84 1355.4 There is um yeah , in the in in one of the papers they have m um names , such as um better understanding or whatever . Even w one of them is yeah , one of them is even even better understanding or something . I I love that . Yeah . I love that . 1336.65 1341.05 1345.02 1347.88 1351.59 1352.96 1353.28 1355.4 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1340.864 1349.056 1340.88 1349.02 Yeah , the long names . Yeah , yeah . Like the the working group that it's part of . Yeah . That probably even might have a . 1340.99 1342.78 1343.58 1344.41 1346.49 1347.67 1349.02 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1341.952 1343.653 1341.97 1343.54 Oh do they do they re-translate them ? 1343.54 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1345.99 1348.828 1346.07 1348.75 Do they ? Okay , well that's alright then . We'll just use that then . 1346.66 1347.17 1347.93 1348.75 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1350.496 1351.403 1350.52 1351.403 Yeah . 1351.27 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1350.774 1359.136 1350.774 1359.136 Well that's what's the that's the working group , is it ? Okay . I wanna see the meetings about even better understanding . 1352.87 1353.05 1353.32 1358.52 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1353.017 1354.438 1353.09 1353.94 Yeah , right . 1353.64 1353.94 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1357.343 1359.52 1357.343 1359.48 Yeah . Yep . 1359.23 1359.48 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1359.968 1361.392 1359.99 1361.392 See if it's accurate . 1361.07 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1361.208 1363.761 1361.3 1363.761 So I've yeah , I've put that in already to 1362.26 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1364.288 1365.618 1364.33 1365.56 Okay , that's cool , that's good . 1364.69 1365.06 1365.56 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1365.108 1365.68 1365.13 1365.62 Sort of . 1365.62 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1367.817 1373.813 1367.97 1373.61 So yeah , again concretely to the start-up start-up um libraries window . 1368.62 1373.61 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1376.112 1376.643 1376.16 1376.643 Um - EN2002c B MEE071 2 1379.28 1387.686 1380.33 1387.64 So who would the the um I_D_F_s ? I mean the D_F_s . The document frequencies for each word in the corpus . 1383.14 1385.21 1387.64 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1386.848 1387.996 1386.87 1387.996 Well , can I 1387.57 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1387.063 1390.223 1387.12 1390.19 Um do we actually need the uh the frequencies ? 1390.19 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1390.536 1395.239 1390.58 1395.09 Yeah , to do um what Steve's talking about you do . To do the topic labelling . 1390.84 1393.44 1395.09 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1392.928 1393.251 1392.95 1393.15 Yeah ? 1393.15 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1394.722 1396.627 1394.8 1396.58 Oh right , that . Right . Yeah , okay . Yeah . 1395.3 1395.54 1395.74 1395.84 1396.34 1396.58 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1396.208 1400.974 1396.54 1400.9 Yeah , how is that ? I mean do you think you would have have time for that as well ? 1396.87 1397.48 1400.9 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1401.584 1404.362 1401.6 1404.362 Well thing is if it's being done , there were there was 1402.76 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1402.357 1408.02 1402.43 1407.9 If somebody's done the keywords or the the g I_D_F_s or the D_F_s already would . 1407.9 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1406.491 1431.259 1406.51 1431.259 Yeah . There's a @'s trying to get uh to work on Friday . Um they did have all that and it was sorta built in and just uh had some trouble getting it running properly . Um but it had sort of all that standard sort of stuff , but it w it last I heard it wasn't working . So She was gonna look at , you know , more straight-forward sorta thing that really just fulfils what we need it to do . But if we need the if we do need the frequencies , then 1407.55 1410.96 1417.29 1419.71 1422.05 1423.67 1423.83 1428.25 1430.72 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1430.672 1433.215 1430.73 1433.04 Can't you do any better for our search without the T_F_I_D_F_ ? 1433.04 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1433.637 1434.704 1433.68 1434.67 Um I don't know . 1434.67 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1435.036 1469.385 1435.036 1469.385 I think you need to . It's the amount that they occur over documents . Basically , the amount they D_F_ is the document frequency is the amount that each word occurs um no , what is it ? Term frequency is the amount that that it occurs in ea one of them is the amount it occurs in each document and the other one is the amount it g occurs generally . So if you so the more it occurs in specific documents , compared compared to its general score , the bet more informative it is about a certain 1440.32 1442.73 1443.13 1449.86 1450.3 1461.88 1465.32 1467.0 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1437.824 1440.546 1437.84 1440.546 Um well it was would've been like a list of - EN2002c A FEO072 1 1437.883 1440.411 1438.3 1440.3 Wha what does T_F_I_D_F_ stand for ? 1440.3 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1443.787 1444.635 1443.89 1444.52 What's it stand for ? 1444.52 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1446.254 1446.554 1446.36 1446.47 Hmm . 1446.47 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1462.368 1463.612 1462.39 1463.5 Oh . Okay . 1463.14 1463.5 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1465.228 1465.96 1465.28 1465.68 Mm . 1465.68 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1465.3 1467.212 1465.33 1467.11 Yeah . Ah . 1466.83 1467.11 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1468.78 1479.344 1468.83 1479.31 So the general score , would that be a um for the whole of the language or the for all the whole of the corpus ? Okay . Okay . Well , you know , you can you might have some general frequencies . 1469.72 1474.26 1475.43 1476.21 1476.47 1476.74 1479.31 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1472.986 1485.53 1473.03 1485.48 The corpus , the corpus , still data . Yeah . No . Yeah . Yeah . But plus a stop list , so you remove stuff that doesn't ta it like yeah , and then the , which is gonna a a prob basically equal score . 1474.0 1474.47 1476.08 1476.22 1477.17 1477.75 1479.37 1480.47 1482.69 1483.17 1485.48 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1473.236 1482.05 1473.53 1481.87 Well the corpus yeah . So yeah , the probably probably term frequency . Yeah , so the general one is pr yeah , yeah . 1475.33 1475.62 1478.25 1478.52 1481.67 1481.87 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1481.437 1482.826 1481.52 1482.72 Oh , I see . 1482.32 1482.72 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1484.571 1485.012 1484.69 1484.85 Right . 1484.85 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1485.47 1495.12 1485.71 1495.07 So what would the if we had the these fake topics , what what would the what would they look like ? A bunch . Just a list of like three words or something . 1488.32 1490.86 1492.96 1495.07 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1487.408 1488.108 1487.43 1488.108 Or a massive - EN2002c B MEE071 2 1489.602 1501.92 1489.64 1501.87 Bunch of key-words . That'd probably be easiest thing . Key-words . Yeah , key-words , three f three , five words . In both documents . Yeah , term frequency inverse document frequency . 1492.12 1494.16 1495.07 1495.3 1495.69 1496.34 1498.38 1499.64 1499.94 1501.87 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1495.647 1495.991 1495.647 1495.991 . 1495.991 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1496.304 1500.144 1496.32 1500.08 Actually what's the I_ in T_F_I_D_F_ ? Really ? Okay . 1499.22 1499.65 1500.08 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1504.272 1508.48 1504.29 1508.48 I did do it once , I do have a Java class that does it for something , I don't know whether it'll work with this . But 1505.04 1507.06 1508.23 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1506.613 1507.021 1506.68 1506.9 Oh yeah ? 1506.9 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1507.697 1526.352 1507.79 1526.12 Alright . Because that would be really handy then , we can actually test it on the user , as opposed to just doing it and not using it . 'Cause if you just have the segmentation , that's great , but we can't we can't compare it to the to the uh hand annotated , you know , the hand segmented tool . 1508.92 1510.22 1514.24 1517.21 1518.77 1519.46 1524.32 1524.57 1526.12 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1508.528 1508.959 1508.55 1508.83 Alright . 1508.83 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1515.603 1516.118 1515.62 1516.01 Yeah . 1516.01 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1520.288 1520.704 1520.32 1520.67 Yeah . 1520.67 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1524.8 1525.251 1524.82 1525.13 Yeah . 1525.13 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1526.576 1540.511 1526.6 1540.48 Yeah . also key-words gives you a a whole new type of search . You do keyword search . But you could do key-word search could be topic search , can they can be the same thing . Instead uh it would just search for key-words when it when they you tell him that with topics , but actually get searching with key-words . 1527.22 1530.01 1531.09 1533.15 1534.54 1538.84 1540.48 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1527.147 1527.557 1527.18 1527.37 Uh-huh - EN2002c B MEE071 2 1542.005 1543.264 1542.03 1543.15 For each do you see what I mean ? 1543.15 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1542.224 1544.104 1542.24 1543.95 Hmm . Mm . 1543.66 1543.95 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1546.384 1546.916 1546.4 1546.82 Hmm . 1546.82 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1548.464 1550.12 1548.48 1550.0 Yeah , that would work . That'd be really nice . 1548.66 1549.29 1550.0 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1553.136 1576.304 1553.41 1576.24 But I suppose even calculating the the w the the what's-its-faces themselves would be too much too long . The easy bit is it's probably the easiest to calculate them based upon in their whole occurrences in i in the corpus than it is to calculate them per topic , 'cause you don't have to integrate as much information . 1562.22 1571.89 1576.24 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1573.361 1575.074 1573.47 1574.97 Mm , yeah , yeah , definitely . 1573.8 1574.3 1574.58 1574.97 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1574.352 1574.695 1574.37 1574.64 Right . 1574.64 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1579.712 1583.712 1579.73 1583.59 No , you can do you can do search without T_F_I_D_F_ , you just can't rank the search . 1579.87 1582.35 1583.59 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1584.608 1591.116 1584.68 1591.116 Oh yeah . Well do we need to ? I mean we're just looking oh , for for your s for your stuff I guess , yeah . For topic with 1585.25 1587.12 1588.21 1589.9 1590.14 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1584.817 1589.573 1585.04 1589.46 Yeah , that's what I'm thinking too , yeah . Well , do we want to ? Do we want to ? 1585.36 1586.35 1587.55 1587.82 1588.66 1589.46 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1587.119 1594.945 1587.16 1594.945 Yeah . No no no , but that's what isn't that what the idea was in the first place to rank these rank the results so that 1589.7 1590.37 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1594.88 1604.407 1594.88 1604.407 Sort of , but then the main idea was more like to to speed it up , speed the search up , because N_X_T_ over the over the whole of the corpus was just not feasible . But it would be 1595.65 1598.35 1599.09 1603.55 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1595.796 1596.229 1595.83 1596.229 Um - EN2002c C MEE073 3 1600.576 1600.991 1600.62 1600.92 Yeah . 1600.92 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1602.608 1606.112 1602.64 1606.0 Yeah , but that won't slow it down . Ranking it won't slow it down . 1602.95 1604.88 1606.0 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1602.779 1603.162 1602.82 1603.04 Yeah . 1603.04 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1607.284 1615.42 1607.37 1615.33 No , but the general inverted file . Oh , yeah . Yeah yeah yeah . That would just be a nice extra . 1607.54 1610.85 1611.23 1611.77 1614.02 1615.33 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1610.607 1618.267 1610.68 1618.18 Yeah . It still uses an inverted file , but it ranks the results by the amount by the higher yeah . I thought that was part of it , but yeah , okay , it doesn't matter if it's not . 1611.07 1612.28 1616.04 1616.97 1617.28 1617.46 1618.18 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1618.159 1626.444 1618.26 1626.31 Yeah , I I wasn't sure if it was or not . True . It's true . So what , it's only interim . 1618.66 1622.09 1623.22 1624.64 1625.24 1626.31 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1619.328 1627.588 1619.36 1627.46 Hmm . I don't think we had that in the the document . Yeah . Yeah , exactly . I know . 1619.82 1625.91 1626.49 1626.61 1627.18 1627.46 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1620.096 1620.612 1620.14 1620.612 Um - EN2002c B MEE071 2 1622.283 1627.136 1622.42 1627.1 No , we did Yeah . 1622.74 1627.1 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1629.744 1633.92 1629.77 1633.92 But yeah , I guess uh if you do if if that's not part of it , don't worry about it , it doesn't 1630.23 1632.75 1633.38 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1629.875 1630.374 1630.0 1630.19 Hmm . 1630.19 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1633.567 1637.951 1633.65 1637.84 Right . Yeah , b nice to have . Mm-hmm . Right . 1635.04 1635.23 1636.48 1637.64 1637.84 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1633.455 1650.124 1633.67 1649.98 Yeah , I mean if you have time . Do that as well , that'd be really nice , yeah . 'Cause I mean then then it would give you like if you searched for a word , it would give you the the meetings , but also how often the w that word occurred in that meeting . That would be so useful . Yeah . Yeah , exactly . 1633.93 1635.66 1636.38 1637.14 1637.98 1641.55 1643.44 1646.59 1648.87 1649.44 1649.56 1649.98 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1635.566 1637.904 1635.61 1637.904 'Cause I'm only gonna do this if I've got time anyway . So 1637.5 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1646.712 1652.89 1646.84 1652.82 Yeah . Well it'd just give you a rank . It would that was the whole point was to if you say , this is your top one , this is your bottom . 1647.26 1648.13 1651.23 1652.06 1652.82 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1648.117 1663.337 1648.18 1663.17 Mm . Well I don't know . Actually 'cause the thing is I mean typically yeah . But th um the thing is we're just looking for when it happens in a meeting , if they're looking for particular term or something , they just wanna know if that term exists there and where does it exist and I wanna see it , you know . 1649.6 1650.13 1653.5 1656.97 1658.97 1662.92 1663.17 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1652.848 1653.5 1652.87 1653.37 Yeah , yeah . 1653.12 1653.37 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1662.279 1667.568 1662.34 1667.568 Yeah . But say but it's How how informative ? That T_F_I_D_F_ is an informative score , isn't it . So 1662.95 1664.92 1666.86 1667.21 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1662.326 1676.576 1662.54 1676.54 Yeah , but it would be useful if you yeah . You know , you c if you have a if if you search for language and you return like , you know , basically all of the meetings , you wanna see where they actually spoke about it and where they just mentioned it once . 1662.71 1666.91 1667.19 1670.8 1671.33 1672.81 1676.54 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1667.029 1667.436 1667.09 1667.27 Yeah . 1667.27 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1672.331 1672.697 1672.35 1672.62 'Kay . 1672.62 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1675.609 1698.774 1675.71 1698.43 But if it's like a two word term , does the T_F_I_D_F_ handle that ? It's not a compound noun , it's just two words together . Um in f I don't know . I don't know . Just something like uh Edinburgh University . Yeah . Well , essentially , I don't know . Or sunny day . You know . 1677.95 1681.86 1682.81 1685.29 1688.14 1689.24 1692.8 1694.46 1695.37 1695.96 1696.75 1698.03 1698.43 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1679.568 1682.58 1679.59 1682.58 Depends how you treat your compound nouns . 1682.3 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1680.877 1682.116 1680.99 1682.116 Ah . 1681.46 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1684.16 1685.376 1684.16 1685.376 like what ? 1685.25 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1690.656 1691.501 1690.68 1691.501 Language and - EN2002c B MEE071 2 1693.008 1701.14 1693.08 1701.07 As a compound noun . Uh Sunny day , yeah . And like an adjective , yeah . Um 1694.12 1698.48 1698.92 1699.84 1700.33 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1695.891 1700.142 1696.07 1700.03 No , just like Edinburgh and language . alright . 1696.22 1699.64 1700.03 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1702.969 1711.904 1703.03 1711.904 in its most simple form it would do a separate rank for each one , each term . You could make it more complicated and make it do for th for the yeah . 1706.48 1707.74 1711.63 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1707.488 1707.799 1707.51 1707.73 Hmm . 1707.73 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1709.221 1732.616 1709.221 1732.38 Let's not make it more complicated . Yeah . Because the thing is the thing is that the way we were doing it we were just looking for the words , period , each word in the um in the index . Well that's way we were thinking about it . And then then it's just saying were these two words in in any of these documents , and then if it was then we go closer and do the the N_X_T_ search uh to look for the exact term or the regular expression or whatever . 1712.22 1713.85 1717.39 1717.78 1720.55 1721.93 1725.08 1732.38 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1710.886 1715.654 1711.03 1715.47 And then and then ad add those up or something . Or what ? How would you combine them , that's the question . 1713.47 1714.13 1714.92 1715.47 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1713.997 1717.1 1714.08 1717.1 Yeah . You can just add 'em up , or you can 1715.23 1716.35 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1720.384 1722.928 1720.42 1722.83 Yeah , yeah . Yeah , you don't wanna start looking for bo 1720.61 1721.33 1721.5 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1728.368 1729.85 1728.47 1729.85 Yeah . Um 1729.14 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1732.169 1747.776 1732.24 1747.74 I guess you just do a sum of the um of the the individual T_F_I_D_F_ for each term returned , and that generally will be a bit crude , but it will give you a d score , and the higher the more uh more informative each term is for each thing would give you a 1740.08 1742.43 1744.08 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1740.215 1740.656 1740.26 1740.53 Yeah . 1740.53 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1748.224 1748.585 1748.27 1748.48 Right . 1748.48 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1749.424 1752.347 1749.57 1752.28 a thing . It's pretty crude anyway , but it's just looking for um 1750.23 1751.0 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1754.044 1766.081 1754.14 1766.081 if it's all it's gonna do is look for six separate c oh , 'cause then it's gonna go into the N_X_T_ search and return that , isn't it . So mm Yeah . Yeah , yeah , that's true . So yeah , that's less crude isn't it . But um 1756.14 1758.75 1759.08 1761.37 1761.8 1762.07 1762.67 1763.04 1764.03 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1758.512 1762.462 1758.56 1762.42 Yeah . Or we choose the list of meetings that we wanted to search to do that . So yeah . 1759.14 1761.7 1762.42 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1764.075 1764.541 1764.13 1764.541 Um - EN2002c C MEE073 3 1766.144 1776.523 1766.17 1776.523 Like I'm just wondering if if it's gonna give us something cool , then yeah , absolutely , but if it's sort like if the N_X_T_ search has still gotta be run to find these terms or these , you know , these patterns , then uh 1768.24 1768.77 1769.31 1774.71 1774.85 1776.04 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1774.806 1780.755 1774.87 1780.53 Groups of terms . Yeah , without doing any like um word pairs , which is just omission . 1775.84 1776.14 1779.6 1780.53 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1779.5 1793.646 1779.57 1793.646 Or also like do um wild cards work for something like that ? So if you're looking for wireless , wired , wire , blah , blah , blah , you do wire with a star and um no ? Not y actually , that's a problem for me too . So Or Pernilla . And uh 1783.33 1784.73 1785.16 1785.49 1785.6 1785.74 1785.88 1788.89 1790.96 1791.92 1793.24 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1788.439 1821.238 1788.51 1821.238 Yeah , I don't know how that works . That's how I remem Yeah . But then the idea is , that gives you an informative score . How you combine that is is up to you . I guess it there's lots in the literature . I if s if you were is there's a lo whole load about it in Manning and Schutz . So They've got a whole chunk about it's so just I_R_ , isn't this . Basic information retrieval . They've got a big a good chapter on it . If you haven't got it , it's on Cognate . , yeah . Yeah . 1788.85 1793.86 1797.09 1798.07 1799.4 1802.1 1803.51 1809.8 1813.39 1813.93 1815.81 1817.29 1817.8 1818.89 1818.89 1819.28 1820.58 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1796.614 1798.703 1796.83 1798.703 Yeah , 'cause 1797.29 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1803.268 1806.617 1803.29 1806.53 Actually it should work , yeah . Okay , then I'm just yeah . Sure that's not too bad . 1804.4 1804.67 1804.88 1805.83 1806.53 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1810.256 1810.78 1810.36 1810.57 Oh yeah . 1810.57 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1814.499 1816.545 1814.54 1816.46 Oh yeah ? Okay . . 1815.3 1816.46 1816.46 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1818.549 1823.456 1818.8 1823.42 Yeah , I've got uh somewhere P_D_F_ . 1819.15 1823.42 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1824.14 1828.925 1824.21 1828.925 Yeah . Me too . Hundreds of P_D_F_s . 1824.95 1825.81 1828.78 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1825.913 1831.633 1825.913 1831.633 Yeah , what if it's yeah . Do the P_D_F_s , switch it to Postscript , switch it back to P_D_F_ , and then 1827.87 1828.76 1829.38 1830.12 1831.05 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1830.976 1834.383 1830.976 1834.383 Yeah . 1832.43 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1833.945 1839.12 1835.8 1838.94 Don't know . Okay , so that's okay , that might be good . 1836.4 1837.15 1838.28 1838.94 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1840.624 1842.304 1840.85 1842.2 Alright . Okay . 1841.83 1842.2 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1842.396 1871.584 1842.87 1871.46 So to come back to the start-up screen I'm I'm I'm I'm very unsure about what that should look like . I mean we wanna for the part where you can choose choose the the meeting , what kind of information do you wanna have about the meeting ? I mean the u the the longer name obviously , if there is one , 'cause they don't all have a longer name . What the users that spoke . The users that took part . But then that's probably pretty much the same for the same group . 1850.68 1855.6 1857.39 1860.09 1861.05 1863.39 1866.24 1867.81 1871.46 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1845.113 1848.22 1845.22 1848.19 Oh , I thought we sort of dis you know what I mean . 1845.75 1848.19 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1845.456 1848.033 1845.6 1848.033 Okay . 1847.52 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1859.168 1861.435 1859.168 1861.36 Mm-hmm . Yeah . 1861.15 1861.36 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1867.632 1869.264 1867.65 1869.23 Yeah . Or attended , yeah . 1868.35 1868.96 1869.23 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1872.56 1878.041 1872.58 1877.97 P probably for the most part , I mean there'll be a set of people that do , and then a sub-set for each meeting probably . 1874.2 1876.45 1877.97 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1874.609 1875.332 1874.63 1875.23 Yeah , I'm not sure . 1874.8 1875.23 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1876.246 1879.424 1876.27 1879.424 Do you want that on the start-up screen , yeah ? 'Cause 1877.56 1879.06 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1878.544 1884.487 1878.75 1884.43 Yeah , just to give them an idea , general idea what there is and so they can pick a a to um a meeting . 1879.03 1880.26 1884.43 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1884.027 1891.52 1884.05 1891.52 Search for stuff or start working or No . Or or browse okay , like search , browse um 1887.59 1889.44 1890.15 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1886.848 1888.859 1886.87 1888.75 Yeah , I guess so . Yeah , yeah , I guess that's useful . 1887.08 1887.48 1887.85 1887.95 1888.75 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1893.459 1904.328 1893.49 1904.328 Like if you're looking for something speci like , is that what you're thinking ? Like if they if they know exactly where they wanna go , they wanna go to , you know , that meeting on December third , and they just wanna go there and see stuff , then they can immediately go and browse that . Um 1895.27 1895.94 1897.94 1898.86 1899.05 1900.13 1901.51 1904.01 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1900.432 1900.762 1900.45 1900.68 Yeah . 1900.68 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1902.076 1913.856 1902.17 1913.58 Yeah , or w you kn yeah . I wanna look at the meeting where so-and-so spoke um of that , you know , sort of some sort of research group . I want that first meeting . Look at that . 1902.58 1903.6 1908.35 1908.62 1911.68 1913.13 1913.58 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1906.816 1907.139 1906.84 1907.08 Yeah . 1907.08 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1911.68 1911.995 1911.7 1911.9 Right . 1911.9 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1913.808 1914.156 1913.84 1914.08 Yeah . 1914.08 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1917.614 1939.434 1917.614 1939.25 Yeah . Browse by meeting , browse by blah , browse by speaker . Like did no , I'm just thinking of different ways we can do that , like different buttons on the top . Like if they're looking for particular person , particular working group , particular whatever , I mean we just uh we could break things down like that to that level of detail if we want . Or we could keep a more general . Yeah . 1919.72 1920.43 1921.35 1923.04 1923.49 1925.65 1926.79 1928.5 1929.43 1930.86 1936.71 1939.05 1939.25 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1924.976 1926.325 1925.04 1926.24 Oh . Oh . 1925.9 1926.24 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1937.2 1950.853 1937.61 1950.69 Mm I don't think we need that , yeah . Because we we just wanna have a way of of yeah . Because as soon as they've got loaded their first meeting , y they can they can browse through that quite nicely . 1938.79 1939.44 1943.39 1946.5 1950.69 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1951.632 1965.152 1951.77 1964.81 Um yeah , but I'm just thinking like initially , when they load up . What are the range of things that they'd wanna do ? Like if they're part of X_ working group , they'll wanna get in there . Um do we wanna save preferences ? 1952.71 1954.27 1956.27 1959.04 1961.11 1962.65 1964.81 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1958.288 1958.71 1958.34 1958.65 Yeah . 1958.65 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1966.976 1967.648 1967.08 1967.61 What do you mean ? 1967.61 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1967.84 1973.97 1967.86 1973.84 Well , if they're part of B_D_B_ working group , they're gonna wanna look at the B_D_B_ ones and so we'd default to that . Or don't know . 1968.14 1970.04 1972.87 1973.84 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1973.681 1975.203 1973.78 1975.09 W how how are we gonna know that ? 1975.09 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1976.08 1980.915 1976.1 1980.85 Based on what they did the last time . Yeah . 1980.58 1980.85 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1977.559 1979.928 1977.559 1979.83 Have a user model . 1979.83 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1978.784 1982.875 1978.8 1982.84 Uh you can have a save preferences . You could have a save preferenc preferences , I guess . 1980.7 1982.53 1982.84 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1983.104 1983.493 1983.15 1983.41 Mm-hmm . 1983.41 EN2002c A FEO072 1 1984.096 2009.554 1984.18 2009.39 But that would defy the whole point of browsing , right ? If you only wanted to look at like five meetings . Well you just you just uh you just scroll down the list and find your favourite one . I mean It's not like they come back every day and do the same browsing . Let's see what's changed today . Mm . 1985.87 1986.89 1989.79 1996.84 2002.95 2008.98 2009.39 EN2002c C MEE073 3 1986.864 1999.56 1986.89 1999.36 Mm . Yeah , okay , right . Yeah . Yeah , okay yeah , that's yeah . Right . 1990.05 1990.45 1990.75 1992.8 1994.24 1994.48 1995.33 1999.1 1999.36 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1987.872 1994.516 1987.95 1994.48 Well alright , call it favourites then . You can have a favourites . 1988.68 1993.38 1994.48 EN2002c B MEE071 2 1997.2 2001.85 1997.22 2001.85 Yeah , it's not enough information , is it , to . 1997.45 1998.69 1998.96 2001.05 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2002.397 2047.57 2002.397 2047.37 What was that ? Yeah , exactly . I forget . Right . Um okay . Well no I'm just getting back to sorta what could be on the the start-up screen . Like there is just a range of things we could do , we could have like search options , browse options . I mean just I don't know , just playing around with ideas . Um and then we can tie this into our evaluation uh tasks and say well if you want to search for a meeting or search for a user in a particular meeting , then do this , blah blah blah . So we can , yeah , sort of um , you know , guide them . And just like hey , my task is to do this and there's a button for it . Oh , p perfect . You know . You know . I don't know . 2004.57 2004.69 2005.85 2008.49 2009.22 2010.65 2015.41 2017.15 2018.45 2019.12 2020.78 2024.45 2035.27 2035.75 2036.3 2036.85 2037.79 2038.76 2038.94 2039.68 2040.49 2042.71 2042.88 2043.83 2044.96 2045.29 2047.37 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2014.864 2015.664 2015.02 2015.61 Yeah , yeah . 2015.23 2015.61 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2014.965 2015.788 2015.11 2015.65 Yeah , yep . 2015.39 2015.65 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2036.195 2038.762 2036.195 2038.67 Oh right , oh okay . 2037.94 2038.67 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2040.458 2040.831 2040.49 2040.831 Well - EN2002c A FEO072 1 2042.196 2047.856 2042.196 2047.856 Yeah . No , that's Um 2044.33 2045.06 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2043.696 2046.616 2043.696 2046.25 Yeah . 2046.25 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2047.984 2049.917 2048.03 2049.56 Yeah , it would be quite good if it has yeah . 2048.29 2049.56 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2050.152 2058.743 2050.24 2058.64 I w I wasn't gonna put any , you know , any any help in there any sort of a explanation of how the browser works , to be honest . I wasn't oh right . 2051.46 2051.8 2056.36 2057.57 2058.64 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2056.8 2076.335 2056.82 2076.335 No no , that's not what I'm suggesting . No , I'm just saying like these are just like a lot of programmes well kind of lame programmes do have that sort of thing first , just 'cause they don't want people to have to go through all the menus and search themselves and just like do commonly used tasks or just exit and just let me use the programme , you know , as well . So 2057.31 2058.84 2058.95 2065.58 2074.07 2074.49 2075.98 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2057.056 2060.092 2057.19 2060.092 Just a b search buttons , so just 2059.62 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2070.16 2071.489 2070.2 2071.39 Mm-hmm . I see . 2070.91 2071.39 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2071.953 2072.427 2072.0 2072.33 Mm . 2072.33 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2074.544 2076.704 2074.56 2076.57 Yeah yeah . Doofus mode . 2075.92 2076.57 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2076.099 2079.433 2076.16 2079.37 But I mean the main thing what you wanna do is to view a meeting , right ? 2079.06 2079.37 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2079.877 2082.498 2079.92 2082.37 Probably or search something . Yeah . 2082.11 2082.37 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2080.944 2098.565 2080.96 2098.565 Or search , yeah , yeah . So if even if it just had two things , just said one sai one said take me straight to this meeting and have a m text-box you can enter it , or a drop down menu . And then another that said search that loaded instantly . It loaded up the search screen . Yeah . Yeah yeah , or one that yeah , or one that 2081.63 2082.29 2082.57 2084.41 2088.62 2089.9 2092.04 2094.67 2095.95 2096.49 2097.99 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2081.49 2084.31 2081.52 2084.31 Yeah , or search , yeah . S and both of those we have and 2081.66 2082.13 2082.72 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2091.378 2097.309 2091.378 2097.05 Yeah , like find specific meeting . You know , that's an easy sort of thing and . Mm . 2092.84 2094.71 2094.92 2096.91 2097.05 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2098.11 2110.234 2098.22 2110.234 Yeah , that uh all happens for the search basically . Basically , either the user wa knows which meeting he wants to look at and he just clicks on it , or he doesn't and then he searches for one that sort of looks like 2098.41 2101.17 2101.65 2106.15 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2100.9 2101.424 2100.94 2101.19 Yeah . 2101.19 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2108.688 2110.843 2108.72 2110.77 Mm-hmm . Fits his criteria . 2109.72 2110.77 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2109.568 2118.058 2109.61 2117.99 Yeah . Or the other thing to do is just have search as the default . Just it opens and the search window opens . And that's the interface , and you just go from there . 2110.13 2112.48 2114.82 2116.45 2117.99 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2118.624 2119.348 2118.7 2119.28 Yeah . 2119.28 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2121.2 2155.44 2121.22 2155.41 And then that brings up the browser after you f searched for something . Or or the search but the search window could have on it something that said just has a drop down menu that says just and a go button that said take me to this . And so the f so the in yeah , so the f only thing that comes up when you're finished is a um when you start it's just one window like that and it's got all the search stuff like down there . And so this is your search . It's just all here , and here is just go to wherever and a go button . And then from there it takes you to wherever else you wanna go . Yeah . 2125.16 2133.48 2135.71 2144.0 2146.15 2147.12 2151.64 2155.14 2155.41 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2132.576 2135.594 2132.65 2135.51 Oh , I see what you mean . Inside the search menu , yeah . 2132.87 2134.15 2135.16 2135.51 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2145.232 2145.744 2145.27 2145.65 Mm-hmm . 2145.65 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2152.982 2154.853 2153.27 2154.68 Yeah , that's that's what yeah . 2153.44 2154.68 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2157.024 2160.618 2157.04 2160.49 And the other topic says welcome to welcome to our browser . 2160.49 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2159.087 2176.579 2159.17 2176.46 Mm-hmm . Yeah , that looks about right . Um but I'm I'm unsure about how to how to put all the information in there . Because we need drop-down menu , but we want all the information about the name , the longer name , and the sp and the users . So how d how d 2160.97 2161.18 2162.66 2168.11 2170.15 2173.14 2173.85 2175.77 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2168.052 2169.79 2168.13 2169.63 A drop drop-down menu . 2169.63 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2173.424 2176.662 2173.44 2176.56 Oh , you wanna have oh yeah , the users . 2174.01 2176.05 2176.56 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2175.675 2180.89 2175.77 2180.71 Well we don't actually have user names , do we ? Aren't there all these codes like AMI eleven or whatever . Yeah . 2177.25 2177.53 2180.5 2180.71 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2178.28 2179.535 2178.31 2179.43 They're always nonsense , yeah . 2179.21 2179.43 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2178.56 2185.763 2178.63 2185.763 No , but the codes I mean at least maybe if they know the codes and in or the to in or the corpus corpi ? 2178.93 2185.69 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2182.608 2183.062 2182.63 2182.99 Yeah . 2182.99 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2184.331 2185.271 2184.38 2185.15 Yeah , that's true . 2184.61 2185.15 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2185.184 2188.009 2185.2 2187.89 In a case like that we do want drop-down . We don't want them to type them , do we ? 2186.57 2187.62 2187.89 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2189.664 2192.407 2189.68 2192.407 Yeah . Drop-down is definitely not 2191.05 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2190.734 2191.49 2190.79 2191.29 Yeah , it does . 2191.01 2191.29 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2191.739 2199.003 2191.8 2198.8 Okay . Um and allow multiple ? No . Okay , you're just looking for one specific speaker , right ? Yeah . 2193.59 2195.25 2195.63 2195.84 2197.99 2198.65 2198.8 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2197.312 2216.374 2197.33 2216.374 This is good , but if you wanna search a search , if you wanna look for one meeting and just look at it , then that's fine . Um that's that's true , that's or unless you have two . One one is one one there where you got two , one for meeting , one to speak . Or and you can choose , you can go go for go or go for the other . Go on go for both . If you go for both , you're searching 2197.76 2199.08 2200.84 2202.48 2205.0 2207.22 2210.31 2210.99 2211.65 2212.33 2214.15 2214.77 2215.71 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2200.79 2204.607 2200.84 2204.56 Yep , yep . Yeah . But then yeah , as I said , how do you do it ? 2201.21 2202.3 2202.71 2203.52 2204.07 2204.56 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2201.232 2201.897 2201.39 2201.77 Okay . 2201.77 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2202.478 2202.963 2202.51 2202.78 Alright . 2202.78 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2206.176 2206.773 2206.2 2206.773 Um - EN2002c C MEE073 3 2210.472 2211.533 2210.52 2211.46 Oh for speakers . M 2211.43 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2215.003 2233.668 2215.3 2233.44 No no no , I'm not I'm not saying you can you can pick a user , but you should come up with some list , but an extended list of the of the meetings , so you know , you have B_D_R_ , whatever it was called , O_ one . And then it gives you the longer name , blah , and then it gives you the , you know , the participants . 2215.85 2219.36 2221.19 2223.69 2224.16 2225.02 2226.68 2227.77 2229.72 2230.82 2231.88 2232.23 2233.44 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2224.224 2224.697 2224.24 2224.62 Yeah . 2224.62 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2233.68 2240.874 2233.7 2240.874 We could do Microsoft stylie and hold it over and it pops up a thing . 2240.53 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2236.379 2274.37 2236.379 2274.37 I was thinking that . Yeah . Tool tip . But then yeah . Uh no , it's not at all , I think . A tool tip , yeah . I've not tried that yet , but I was I was gonna do that . I'm very yeah , very keen on that , yeah . Yeah , I'm not sure what th it is that very is that not annoying if you have to hold your m you know , you ha you have t yeah , y yes . They do that a lot , don't they ? No , but you know , to to search for a u pecif pec specific user , you have to hold your mouse over that one , wait for it to pop up , hold your mouse on that one , wait for the pop Um 2238.89 2239.59 2241.34 2243.16 2243.36 2244.13 2245.56 2246.01 2246.92 2247.77 2249.5 2250.16 2251.06 2253.17 2253.63 2259.63 2260.83 2262.73 2263.37 2263.86 2263.99 2264.54 2268.27 2269.94 2271.1 2271.99 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2236.8 2241.479 2236.87 2241.479 Oh . Mm-hmm . 2240.68 2240.99 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2242.0 2243.104 2242.02 2243.02 Is that complicated ? 2243.02 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2244.834 2246.193 2244.93 2246.15 A tool tip . Mm-hmm . 2245.81 2246.15 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2248.736 2252.731 2248.83 2252.59 Mouse over , isn't it , or something . Actually in this n Oh let's do that then . 2249.42 2249.71 2250.24 2252.59 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2258.288 2264.606 2258.32 2264.606 You get out of the bloody way , I'm trying to do a search the damn thing . 2259.45 2264.09 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2260.754 2261.434 2260.95 2261.16 Yeah . 2261.16 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2264.174 2264.435 2264.19 2264.435 'Cause - EN2002c C MEE073 3 2270.672 2272.861 2270.69 2272.78 Yeah , that's true . Yeah . 2271.32 2272.51 2272.78 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2270.669 2295.987 2270.76 2295.95 Yeah , that's true , that's annoying . But that's why you could just have a list of your users then . And just you just say I wanna look for this user . Go . Find me . Find me , then then then it pulls up a list of all the ones who got that user in it . And then you search then but then you didn't search . Maybe just leave it , just have them there , and don't worry about the speakers . If they're doing speakers , they're doing search . It's not the same as doing a a quick access . 2271.39 2271.9 2273.68 2276.91 2279.42 2280.29 2281.12 2281.59 2284.72 2286.99 2287.85 2289.85 2291.93 2292.72 2293.67 2295.95 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2292.362 2292.953 2292.46 2292.85 Hmm . 2292.85 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2294.384 2294.756 2294.4 2294.67 Yeah . 2294.67 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2296.089 2296.586 2296.14 2296.47 Mm . 2296.47 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2298.144 2314.912 2298.16 2314.87 Yeah . It'd just be nice to have some basic information on on each of the meetings . Yeah , I'm thinking that that updates depending on what you've got highlighted . Yeah , maybe that's the best idea then . So you've got a drop-down menu , a search a search button not search , go button . 2298.82 2302.9 2303.09 2308.07 2308.23 2309.54 2312.34 2314.38 2314.87 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2301.136 2308.289 2301.16 2308.21 Yeah . Or you can have a f text box there that's got yeah , as you go over them . Then that doesn't get in your in the way . 2301.47 2305.31 2306.59 2308.21 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2305.427 2309.678 2305.49 2309.54 Yeah , just so yeah . That's like nice and easy . Yeah . 2306.18 2307.31 2309.3 2309.54 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2317.074 2317.881 2317.13 2317.881 And then - EN2002c A FEO072 1 2319.978 2323.844 2320.0 2323.66 Some sort of field which updates dynamically depending on what you've got highlighted . 2323.66 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2323.872 2326.224 2323.89 2326.18 Yeah . The full name and then speakers . 2324.69 2326.18 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2326.336 2328.099 2326.36 2327.99 Yeah . Yeah , that sounds good . 2327.1 2327.45 2327.99 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2328.416 2332.941 2328.44 2332.941 Yeah . We can do all of that without even ever going anywhere near loading up a 2330.13 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2334.624 2335.152 2334.65 2335.05 I think . 2335.05 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2336.24 2336.904 2336.35 2336.68 I think . 2336.68 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2337.159 2343.142 2337.23 2343.142 Oh cool . And uh a thing . A meeting , a nom . Yeah . 2337.7 2339.29 2339.7 2340.25 2342.64 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2338.7 2345.048 2338.78 2344.96 Nom . Yeah . What does nom actually stand for ? 2339.99 2343.47 2344.96 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2340.19 2341.862 2340.25 2341.65 Mm-hmm . Right . 2341.41 2341.65 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2345.312 2349.646 2345.38 2349.646 I think it's in the right object model , but I'm not sure . 2347.03 2349.56 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2345.944 2354.5 2346.09 2354.42 Just yeah . Just but it's I think in that case it's the wr write corpus ? Is that what it is ? Writable corpus or something . Yeah . 2348.15 2351.46 2352.08 2354.18 2354.42 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2346.932 2349.484 2346.97 2349.484 NITE , oh yes . 2347.29 2349.3 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2351.633 2361.17 2351.75 2361.17 No uh yeah , is you're right , it's the right corpus , yeah . It's the not right corpus and then you got not right elements in it . Got not right attributes in 2352.38 2352.9 2353.89 2355.08 2357.97 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2354.211 2355.333 2354.35 2355.333 Oh . 2355.23 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2357.875 2359.305 2357.94 2359.23 Yeah . Yeah . 2358.93 2359.23 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2357.769 2365.018 2358.11 2365.018 Oh , yeah . You've got lots of nom something and then NITE something and then N_ something . 2358.62 2359.72 2363.58 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2361.709 2365.134 2361.91 2365.134 Yeah . And N_X_T_ something and 2363.58 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2363.514 2381.03 2363.6 2381.03 Yeah . I think the N_ ones are interfaces and the NITE one one of the ways round one's an interface and one's actually an implemented class . Uh 'Cause you go back enough and the um the what's its name is not very good . The A_P_I_ is alright , but there's not a lot of description in it . It's very crude . It tells you what 2364.08 2370.4 2374.98 2375.92 2377.74 2379.59 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2367.446 2370.416 2367.58 2369.82 Oh really ? Oh . Oh . 2368.69 2369.01 2369.82 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2369.042 2371.088 2369.3 2371.0 Oh . Right . 2370.76 2371.0 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2377.633 2378.373 2377.84 2378.24 Yeah . 2378.24 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2378.739 2391.707 2378.92 2391.58 No . In most of the descriptions are hints to each other saying you've gotta update this , Jonathan . This is this is uni unintelligible . Great . I know it is . 2380.62 2384.75 2385.29 2388.36 2388.99 2391.58 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2383.696 2412.16 2383.74 2412.16 Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . So you end up just it saying returns an N_ text box . Okay , what's that ? Doh . It's a implementation of an N_ text interface . What's that ? Oh , it's a extended version of a Stop it . 2385.7 2386.33 2390.98 2394.8 2395.12 2395.6 2395.83 2401.06 2401.7 2401.81 2411.99 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2385.081 2391.591 2385.42 2391.11 Yeah . Right . Yeah . 2388.62 2389.47 2391.11 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2396.53 2397.112 2396.65 2396.93 Yeah . 2396.93 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2399.051 2401.601 2399.16 2401.601 Yeah . Yeah . 2400.31 2401.23 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2399.436 2400.683 2399.53 2400.51 Area , yeah . 2400.23 2400.51 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2403.58 2416.409 2403.97 2416.2 Yeah . Yeah . Yeah , yep definitely . Not very fun . Right , so anyone else got anything to say ? 2406.35 2407.63 2408.73 2410.22 2412.12 2413.15 2416.2 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2406.263 2410.165 2406.38 2409.8 Yeah , drove you crazy . Oh God . 2407.04 2409.14 2409.8 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2413.285 2413.983 2413.38 2413.89 Hmm . 2413.89 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2416.448 2419.338 2416.448 2419.21 Um not really , just gonna keep on going . 2418.16 2419.21 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2420.941 2425.84 2421.19 2425.79 Do we yeah , do we want another meeting at the end of the week um with Pernilla ? 2422.02 2425.79 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2426.214 2430.288 2426.214 2430.25 Like Friday afternoon or something ? 2430.25 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2427.584 2428.783 2427.6 2428.7 Might be useful , mightn't it ? 2428.29 2428.7 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2428.533 2436.23 2428.6 2436.12 Yeah . Yeah , something like that . I mean uh I think I'm gonna do quite a bit of work this week , so I'll have probably more to talk about . 2430.33 2430.67 2431.15 2434.29 2436.12 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2436.896 2438.162 2436.95 2438.09 Yeah , I should have more to talk about . 2437.19 2438.09 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2438.032 2449.004 2438.08 2448.88 Okay . Then we won't have to have the meeting with Steve on Tuesday . Or at all . Yeah . So Do we wanna arrange this get this one earlier maybe ? Three or I don't know . 2438.77 2441.06 2441.59 2442.41 2446.28 2448.88 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2438.152 2439.033 2438.17 2438.98 I think yeah . 2438.98 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2443.353 2443.702 2443.4 2443.702 Well - EN2002c A FEO072 1 2448.4 2451.304 2448.43 2451.24 If you like . Well , we can disc uh discuss that on Friday if we have one . 2449.07 2449.26 2451.24 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2449.008 2450.288 2449.08 2450.288 Oh , for next week . 2449.22 2450.11 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2450.96 2451.765 2450.98 2451.68 Yeah , that's true . 2451.21 2451.68 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2453.84 2454.222 2453.86 2454.07 True . 2454.07 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2455.817 2456.914 2455.87 2456.78 Mm 'kay , yeah , sure . 2456.29 2456.56 2456.78 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2455.876 2457.708 2455.91 2457.56 Friday ? What what time ? 2456.75 2457.56 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2458.928 2459.891 2458.928 2459.891 Um - EN2002c A FEO072 1 2461.392 2461.931 2461.41 2461.931 Um - EN2002c B MEE071 2 2461.655 2463.74 2461.77 2463.62 No , just after S_P_ two . 2462.02 2463.62 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2463.89 2475.996 2463.98 2475.96 Hmm . Possibly , I don't know . Usually by then it's need a break . Um although well , I don't know , 'cause it's the lab and try and get some work done for the the lab stuff . 2465.97 2466.58 2467.06 2469.96 2471.38 2471.65 2475.96 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2469.6 2471.639 2469.74 2471.44 Yeah , yeah . I don't mean straight after . 2469.95 2470.22 2471.44 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2474.56 2477.472 2474.6 2477.43 Yeah , for that . Yeah , that could be quite good . 2475.32 2476.47 2476.64 2477.43 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2477.488 2477.908 2477.51 2477.82 Yeah . 2477.82 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2477.555 2480.258 2477.555 2480.19 I've got a doctor's appointment at ten to two . 2480.19 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2480.576 2483.099 2480.6 2482.98 Oh , okay . Ten to two . 2480.66 2482.16 2482.98 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2481.296 2482.789 2481.36 2482.789 Right . Um 2481.88 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2484.541 2486.72 2484.6 2486.72 What ? Li 2484.92 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2484.896 2487.984 2484.92 2487.984 Friday morning ? 2487.85 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2486.889 2494.502 2486.889 2494.36 Or th three o'clock ? Or no or you wanna get out . Get away . Okay , right . 2489.4 2491.87 2493.53 2494.14 2494.36 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2489.248 2490.0 2489.4 2489.95 Three o'clock . 2489.95 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2491.456 2495.504 2491.48 2495.504 I don't know . Maybe I do , I'm not sure what I'm doing this weekend . Um 2492.15 2492.8 2494.91 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2497.664 2505.654 2497.68 2505.654 'Cause I think she's got a class at eleven . We've all got cla well three of us have class at twelve . Um could go 2499.98 2503.72 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2504.176 2505.701 2504.2 2505.44 W how about qui - EN2002c B MEE071 2 2504.512 2508.33 2504.53 2508.15 Two . Should we say three o'clock and then if there's a v serious problem , I'll tell you . 2505.18 2507.76 2508.15 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2507.736 2519.344 2507.76 2519.21 Or if we could try one . We could try shortly after . Well yea yeah well yeah . Well it wouldn't be a long meeting then . Or no . Would you wanna no , probably not . If one's bad for you , then it won't okay . 2508.95 2510.01 2511.49 2513.39 2513.79 2515.15 2517.07 2518.0 2519.21 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2510.615 2511.098 2510.67 2511.06 I can't . 2511.06 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2515.696 2527.568 2515.72 2527.53 Um what I oh , no no , that that would only give us like thirty five minutes or something . Well what how about quite late ? Like you know , five or six . 2518.31 2518.9 2523.44 2525.92 2526.74 2527.53 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2522.32 2522.884 2522.35 2522.78 Right , okay . 2522.56 2522.78 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2524.368 2526.283 2524.39 2526.283 It's might not be too we th I don't think we need a probably - EN2002c B MEE071 2 2527.856 2529.072 2527.92 2529.04 Three's better than five or six . 2529.04 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2528.489 2529.445 2528.55 2529.33 Yeah , yeah . 2529.01 2529.33 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2531.152 2532.978 2531.17 2532.82 Well three o'clock , let's say three o'clock for now . 2531.75 2532.82 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2532.16 2543.595 2532.16 2543.43 three so say three o'clock and then um if there's a problem with that , then if three o'clock's a problem , five or six will be a problem , 'cause I won't be here . But I don't think that won't be I'm not sure . 2536.48 2537.99 2540.42 2541.65 2543.43 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2541.505 2542.037 2541.57 2541.95 Okay . 2541.95 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2544.061 2548.875 2544.14 2548.74 Right . I'll write um I'll write this meeting up and I'll send it to Pernilla as well . 2545.17 2548.74 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2548.736 2550.335 2548.87 2549.96 Okay . . 2549.96 2549.96 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2549.74 2566.62 2549.82 2566.49 Is she collecting them ? Oh , you're just sending it to No . I mean , is she collecting oh right , oh yeah , sorry . Yeah . School for the gifted . Yeah . Well I thought somebody was collecting them . But right , well that's what I thought when you said that . 2552.15 2552.28 2555.01 2555.54 2557.12 2557.57 2558.98 2560.03 2562.53 2563.27 2564.8 2565.35 2566.49 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2551.424 2568.347 2551.44 2568.347 No . Because she's not here . I collect meeting summaries . Yeah , no , we should probably do that at end , depending on 2553.59 2560.31 2566.12 2566.35 2566.71 2567.86 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2554.869 2555.301 2554.98 2555.14 Yeah . 2555.14 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2568.448 2568.796 2568.47 2568.74 Yeah . 2568.74 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2568.799 2572.976 2568.98 2572.976 Then we'd know who's missed them or who's if we've done any . 2572.62 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2570.135 2594.947 2570.21 2594.89 So can we just can we just r repeat briefly what we've spoken about . So we've din done uh progress on the speaker characterisation , who does the speaker characterisation . We've mentioned topic labelling with uh key-words . Um we discussed if the search should be ranked . And Michael , did you have anything else ? 2575.01 2578.94 2581.17 2587.09 2591.36 2593.1 2594.89 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2570.422 2571.588 2570.422 2571.21 Right . 2571.21 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2578.784 2579.108 2578.94 2579.03 Yeah . 2579.03 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2586.08 2586.544 2586.11 2586.37 Yeah . 2586.37 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2594.65 2610.089 2594.7 2610.089 Um there's just sorta the basic implementation stuff that I was wondering about . But um no , it should be fine . Um it's just progressing . Um we d did we decide whether it should be ranked ? No ? For now . 'Cause 2598.74 2599.89 2600.94 2603.76 2606.93 2607.99 2609.79 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2604.638 2605.511 2604.73 2605.41 And a start-up window . 2605.41 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2608.086 2608.693 2608.15 2608.47 No . 2608.47 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2608.141 2615.55 2608.49 2615.48 Oh well , basically not not unless you've got time for at the end . It would be nice at the end . 2609.38 2614.28 2615.48 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2613.742 2635.345 2613.98 2635.26 Yeah . Well I d I kinda think it would complicate things quite a bit and not bring us a lot . Just because if it is like independently doing the words for a particular document , it's not it's not really getting them together . Like if someone's looking for a particular term . Um I don't know , it just I just don't know if it would bring us that much . 2614.26 2621.36 2625.46 2628.37 2630.91 2632.32 2635.26 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2635.44 2642.496 2635.46 2642.36 I think it would . Yeah . I think I think it w it would it would give you the most relevant result . 2637.44 2638.85 2642.36 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2636.656 2637.147 2636.68 2637.08 How so ? 2637.08 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2640.881 2658.193 2640.93 2658.11 If if if they're looking for , like I say , sunny day and , you know , sunny shows up in this document , day shows up , but they're not together . Um or if if they are toge I don't know , it just doesn't you're looking for that term and relevance is kind of irrelevant because if the term shows up , it shows up . 2643.57 2644.0 2645.61 2645.91 2647.22 2647.82 2649.31 2651.79 2657.5 2658.11 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2658.032 2683.824 2658.28 2683.79 No , but for things like if you search for language , then you might have you have some topics which have as a , you know n some some meetings which have as a topic language , they specifically speak about language , and they use that word like in every sentence . And then you've got those that just mention , you know , mention it briefly , like once or twice saying , you know , my language is German or something stupid that you don't really want . So you wanna distinguish those somehow . Or would be nice anyway . 2658.45 2661.33 2664.34 2667.64 2669.59 2672.24 2674.25 2674.58 2675.3 2676.6 2676.97 2680.69 2682.82 2683.79 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2672.323 2672.733 2672.39 2672.58 Hmm . 2672.58 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2679.2 2679.667 2679.33 2679.52 Right . 2679.52 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2684.006 2694.325 2684.26 2694.325 Yeah , that would help a lot for that s for single terms it would be very useful . For multiple terms , unless you wanna do something there will be a way of doing it for multiple terms . 2684.39 2688.32 2689.46 2694.19 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2684.253 2688.244 2684.62 2688.12 In in that sense for single for single word yeah , yeah . 2687.87 2688.12 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2686.89 2687.962 2686.95 2687.92 Yeah , yeah . 2687.58 2687.92 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2693.126 2698.095 2693.21 2697.88 Yeah . Well , create a new yeah . Yeah . 2695.0 2695.31 2697.66 2697.88 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2693.159 2696.91 2693.26 2696.91 Uh for multiple terms we can just do something really simple . I mean 2696.23 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2697.202 2709.798 2697.24 2709.75 Yeah . Or you could do it and override it by the you ca you could just ignore the d ranking if it doesn't show up together . Or you could perhap you could penalize it , you could just put a b weight against it . 2697.67 2706.31 2708.25 2709.75 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2705.527 2705.96 2705.6 2705.87 Yeah . 2705.87 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2707.257 2722.432 2707.57 2722.432 Well , but you still have to do the search . You still have to do the N_X_T_ search then , right ? If if it doesn't show up . Yeah , yeah , I know . Yeah . Oh yeah , yeah , it'll yeah , , yeah . Well it wouldn't show up on the search results if it if it didn't exist together . So 2708.74 2709.85 2711.65 2712.1 2713.67 2714.26 2714.52 2715.06 2715.99 2716.5 2716.83 2717.52 2717.52 2718.53 2722.07 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2712.048 2719.217 2712.07 2719.217 Yeah , you do the N_X_T_ so so it doesn't show up together . Either disregard it or put a weighting against it . So if you g how many pairs you get , you can 2712.33 2714.46 2716.83 2718.74 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2716.376 2716.933 2716.44 2716.84 Yeah . 2716.84 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2720.184 2733.487 2720.28 2733.33 Yeah , just just just disregard it , yeah . Yeah , I mean you'd you'd just do it really simply , you know . You'll have the results as before , but yeah , yeah . Can discuss it on Friday . 2720.52 2723.44 2724.02 2724.14 2726.06 2727.61 2729.08 2730.64 2732.28 2733.33 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2721.246 2724.298 2721.31 2724.298 Yeah , so then just next . Yeah . 2721.66 2723.36 2723.73 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2724.201 2724.667 2724.28 2724.59 Yeah . 2724.59 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2726.454 2739.211 2726.7 2739.11 Yeah . Okay . We'll have we'll have to talk to Pernilla about this then , just 'cause uh see how she's uh doing this . 'Cause if we are using that , I mean it does make sense for that , but uh yeah , and just actually yeah . Yeah . 2727.58 2728.13 2729.89 2732.25 2733.07 2734.8 2736.1 2738.83 2739.11 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2729.769 2731.025 2729.81 2730.98 Yeah , might have to talk to Pernilla about that . 2730.01 2730.98 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2740.208 2742.272 2740.23 2742.17 It doesn't have to be all intelligent . 2742.17 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2742.432 2745.716 2742.49 2745.57 Yeah . Well that's sorta what is yeah , that's true . 2743.05 2745.21 2745.57 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2742.832 2750.168 2742.86 2750.08 'Cause some things you're gonna get a lot of results for . And if the one that you got just happened to be at the bottom when it was actually the most relevant one , something like that would just push it up . 2745.39 2748.73 2750.08 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2744.982 2746.055 2745.03 2745.84 Yeah , exactly . 2745.41 2745.84 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2748.685 2766.377 2748.79 2766.25 Well the thing is also I mean if it's well yeah . Yeah okay , I see what you mean . Um and then we could actually put that like on the list of um meetings that r get returned . If there were fifteen meetings with language is in , then it's gonna show you those and rank them as to which is the highest . So okay , I see that . 2752.47 2752.78 2754.34 2758.52 2760.58 2765.14 2765.77 2766.25 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2762.8 2780.881 2762.82 2780.75 Yeah . Which is the highest , exactly . And um also with their something like sunny day , the um if sunny and day aren't mentioned together a lot but sunny just happens to mentions once , then its term will be low and it will push down the other one if you combine them . If you just dup add them together . 2764.54 2765.26 2766.27 2770.14 2776.4 2779.42 2780.75 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2776.746 2777.253 2776.86 2777.02 Hmm . 2777.02 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2779.432 2791.225 2779.57 2791.11 Yeah . Well the thing is I mean that'll be exactly how we're doing it now , like we're just looking for the two words separately , see if they exist in the same document . If they do , then there's a possibility that they c occur together . And then we do the N_X_T_ search on that document . 2780.4 2783.13 2784.88 2786.17 2786.49 2789.07 2791.11 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2790.256 2790.664 2790.29 2790.56 Mm . 2790.56 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2791.216 2808.016 2791.24 2807.98 Yeah , yeah . But you have no ranking system at the moment , so if something's an amazing w highly ranked thing from T_F_I_D_F_ , it could just be ignored because it falls off the bottom of the do you have a assuming you only have you have a return all results for all so you type language and it returns seventy five meetings . 2791.49 2791.67 2793.39 2797.38 2807.98 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2793.114 2793.846 2793.18 2793.73 Yeah , no . 2793.48 2793.73 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2800.24 2800.699 2800.26 2800.58 Hmm . 2800.58 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2808.192 2817.815 2808.21 2817.73 Um well right now it's not doing anything . So I don I don't know I don't know what what it's doing . But yeah . Well I thou yeah . Yeah , I think so . Yeah . 2809.98 2812.69 2813.44 2815.97 2816.37 2817.5 2817.73 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2810.672 2816.942 2810.672 2816.77 Yeah , there are already seventy f but there are seventy five meeting . Yeah , yeah . 2813.4 2816.27 2816.52 2816.77 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2811.359 2818.272 2811.42 2818.21 Well it's not that many meetings . So that sh that shouldn't is there really ? Wow . Ooh . 2812.56 2816.71 2817.88 2818.21 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2819.184 2819.503 2819.2 2819.41 Yeah . 2819.41 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2819.888 2831.968 2819.96 2831.968 So if it m so yeah , if you return seventy five , wh where do you stop ? How do you rank them or something . Or returns twenty , even if it returns twenty , do you cut off at ten , do you rank them , do you what's the threshold ? Something like that would be 2820.99 2822.28 2823.99 2825.59 2826.39 2827.37 2828.11 2828.68 2831.07 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2825.559 2830.028 2825.76 2829.86 Yeah . Yeah . Yeah , that's true . Okay . 2827.73 2828.91 2829.04 2829.54 2829.86 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2831.516 2832.664 2831.54 2832.56 Hmm yeah , that's true . 2832.09 2832.56 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2832.213 2837.602 2832.24 2837.602 Hmm look through them all . Well 2837.32 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2834.256 2836.697 2834.256 2836.697 Look through them all , yeah . One at a time and 2835.16 2835.66 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2835.837 2845.617 2836.12 2845.42 It would be useful as well for a word like language that might occur in all of them . But you wanna find the one that actually contains it usefully somehow . 2840.81 2845.42 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2845.76 2846.24 2845.79 2846.2 Mm-hmm . 2846.2 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2846.768 2847.119 2846.79 2847.02 Yeah . 2847.02 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2847.776 2848.176 2847.83 2848.13 Mm-hmm . 2848.13 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2849.292 2852.108 2849.34 2852.07 You know , you still wanna be able to search for for the word language . 2849.6 2852.07 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2854.08 2855.076 2854.1 2854.98 In a sensible way . 2854.98 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2858.304 2860.4 2858.5 2860.22 Well we'll discuss it again on Friday . 2860.22 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2866.736 2867.296 2866.77 2867.19 Yeah . 2867.19 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2874.816 2875.395 2874.89 2875.36 So is that it ? 2875.36 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2876.256 2877.181 2876.28 2877.07 I think so . 2877.07 EN2002c A FEO072 1 2876.332 2878.893 2876.35 2878.81 Yep . Yep . Tick . 2877.32 2878.5 2878.81 EN2002c B MEE071 2 2877.246 2882.224 2877.33 2882.224 We're done . Tick . I've signed off already . 2879.45 2880.7 2882.03 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2880.112 2880.671 2880.18 2880.57 Okay . 2880.57 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2882.192 2883.017 2882.21 2883.017 Yeah . 2882.9 EN2002c C MEE073 3 2888.928 2889.819 2889.09 2889.64 Mm . 2889.64 EN2002d A FEO070 0 20.639 25.113 20.639 25.113 Forget every time that the - EN2002d B FEO072 1 23.124 25.66 23.124 25.62 Oh dear , this doesn't stick at all . 24.02 25.62 EN2002d B FEO072 1 29.376 33.01 29.52 32.98 What Rena . What , this bit or this b 31.33 31.5 EN2002d B FEO072 1 34.912 35.53 34.94 35.47 Like this ? 35.47 EN2002d A FEO070 0 41.248 47.616 41.28 47.616 Where did my oh , it's it's stuck here . 42.66 47.07 EN2002d D MEE073 3 42.015 43.503 42.015 43.36 wanna go today . 43.36 EN2002d D MEE073 3 49.006 52.393 49.006 52.393 Ooh . 52.15 EN2002d B FEO072 1 49.964 53.93 49.964 53.93 I sabotaged it . 53.68 EN2002d A FEO070 0 51.409 53.313 51.409 53.313 Yeah . 52.79 EN2002d A FEO070 0 65.855 86.517 65.88 86.517 Okay . Keep an eye if I'm dropping this 'cause just seem ah , as I said , it doesn't seem very s Perhaps sweater , or maybe if I set it here on the this brand thing . Are they on , yeah . On . 67.34 71.02 71.57 76.77 84.25 84.69 85.09 86.4 EN2002d C MEE071 2 70.464 74.149 70.53 73.9 Ooh , there you go . Doesn't wanna stay . 70.84 73.12 73.9 EN2002d B FEO072 1 72.855 74.626 72.91 74.54 Yeah , mine doesn't stick today either . 73.19 74.54 EN2002d D MEE073 3 74.713 75.904 74.93 75.87 Yeah , seems slippery . 75.18 75.87 EN2002d C MEE071 2 85.984 86.541 86.0 86.43 Yeah . 86.43 EN2002d A FEO070 0 88.725 91.091 88.725 90.62 Okay . 90.62 EN2002d D MEE073 3 91.312 92.464 91.33 92.0 What day is it ? 92.0 EN2002d D MEE073 3 107.584 108.058 107.69 107.92 Okay . 107.92 EN2002d B FEO072 1 108.128 110.096 108.15 110.06 Who wants to write summary ? 110.06 EN2002d D MEE073 3 111.356 112.064 111.45 111.84 Summary . 111.84 EN2002d A FEO070 0 113.248 123.282 113.27 123.282 What ? Was that a answer ? . Well Okay . I was just about to 114.2 120.24 120.24 122.07 EN2002d D MEE073 3 113.37 119.972 113.44 119.82 Um no . No , just the summary . No , that was just summary . No . Um no um okay . 114.35 114.46 115.18 115.3 116.96 117.54 119.82 EN2002d B FEO072 1 118.046 118.27 118.11 118.22 Oh . 118.22 EN2002d B FEO072 1 118.822 119.479 118.88 119.39 I'll do it . 119.39 EN2002d C MEE071 2 119.175 121.627 119.175 121.47 No it won't . 121.47 EN2002d D MEE073 3 123.072 124.545 123.09 124.42 Oh , write the sum okay , right . 123.4 124.33 124.42 EN2002d D MEE073 3 126.32 127.226 126.41 126.96 Yeah , okay . 126.7 126.96 EN2002d B FEO072 1 127.264 130.553 127.34 130.51 Um have you changed the the file yet ? 130.51 EN2002d D MEE073 3 129.872 140.741 129.89 140.6 I did I was trying to I didn't have privileges to get in to update your file . I w I actually meant to I meant to send the email and then I was just c didn't get around to it . 136.25 140.6 EN2002d B FEO072 1 135.03 135.329 135.16 135.29 Oh . 135.29 EN2002d B FEO072 1 135.836 138.156 135.93 138.06 Yeah . Yeah , I forgot that actually . 136.95 137.12 138.06 EN2002d B FEO072 1 139.051 145.395 139.08 145.35 Yeah . No , when we um when you said at the beginning I thought must check the read-write and then I never did it . 139.99 140.47 145.35 EN2002d D MEE073 3 143.216 173.472 143.24 173.4 Yeah , I had yeah , 'cause I forget mine as well , and it's just like , you know , every time put something in there . Um so yeah , I was j yeah . That was the main thing , so um as soon as that's in it'll be right out . I was making a couple of little change as well . So so those will be able to play with . Still working on the um trying to get the topics and summary search implemented as well . So that's that's sorta tonight as well . So Um yeah . Other than that it's sorta coming along . Um getting a better feel for all these NITE objects . 143.73 144.92 146.14 146.77 146.9 148.43 149.2 150.02 150.82 152.54 154.16 156.73 161.89 164.78 166.8 169.66 173.4 EN2002d B FEO072 1 145.912 146.658 145.98 146.62 No ? Alright . 146.37 146.62 EN2002d B FEO072 1 164.41 164.842 164.51 164.72 Mm-hmm . 164.72 EN2002d B FEO072 1 173.232 175.991 173.26 175.94 Mm g yeah . Uh . 175.58 175.94 EN2002d C MEE071 2 173.264 179.408 173.264 179.408 Yeah . The fun and games . Yeah . 174.7 177.72 179.17 EN2002d D MEE073 3 175.424 194.191 175.45 194.191 It's just I don't know , it seems a little chaos . I don't know , it's just it's um I don't know , it's it's like if you're gonna use this stuff later on in your life , then you t spend the time to invest and learn all about them , but it's like okay , wow . What's the minimum I can get away with that that will get me what we need . So it's like , I don't know , unless I wanna do something with this in the future 176.39 177.61 178.06 180.5 182.72 185.01 185.83 186.12 189.24 190.9 191.6 EN2002d B FEO072 1 178.24 178.929 178.31 178.929 Yeah . 178.87 EN2002d B FEO072 1 186.985 191.658 186.985 191.658 Yeah , yeah , exactly , yeah . Yeah . 187.48 187.76 188.47 188.94 191.51 EN2002d C MEE071 2 187.116 190.9 187.49 190.9 Yeah . Yeah . 189.57 190.79 EN2002d B FEO072 1 193.888 196.786 193.888 196.71 Make browsers for the rest of the night . 196.71 EN2002d A FEO070 0 193.916 201.274 193.916 201.21 You could change your project . Do a P_H_D_ or uh yeah . 197.03 201.21 EN2002d C MEE071 2 194.768 196.208 194.95 196.01 Seems unlikely . 196.01 EN2002d D MEE073 3 195.908 203.008 195.908 202.97 Yeah , right . Yeah , mm . I don't know . Anyways , so um yeah , that's my bad . 196.48 197.53 198.16 200.65 201.17 201.52 202.46 202.97 EN2002d B FEO072 1 203.056 206.784 203.09 206.75 There is a file in the directory called disful . 206.75 EN2002d B FEO072 1 208.608 209.566 208.63 209.53 I ho what is it ? 209.53 EN2002d D MEE073 3 209.322 209.658 209.34 209.62 I th - EN2002d C MEE071 2 209.543 213.21 209.7 213.07 It's an Excel s S_X_ dot X_S_L_ . 213.07 EN2002d D MEE073 3 211.04 223.882 211.06 223.882 I think I yeah . I I saw that and I'm just trying to remember if I did create it , 'cause I think I was 'cause I was trying some stuff uh a couple weeks ago , uh so that may be mine . Um 212.08 215.06 220.47 223.21 EN2002d A FEO070 0 215.04 217.072 215.04 217.0 I haven't created it . 217.0 EN2002d C MEE071 2 223.856 233.3 224.1 233.3 Doesn't st have anything in it , Oh , it does , it has about three lines of X_M_L_ that didn't do much , I think . Yeah . What's that ? 225.81 225.9 226.25 228.62 230.01 232.14 232.73 EN2002d D MEE073 3 225.472 226.62 225.49 226.44 Oh really ? Okay . 226.01 226.44 EN2002d B FEO072 1 228.026 230.75 228.1 230.08 Oh right . Yeah , that's right , yeah , yeah . 228.69 228.96 229.34 229.81 230.08 EN2002d D MEE073 3 228.524 239.2 228.63 239.2 Oh yeah ? Okay okay . Yeah , 'cause I saw it again today and I was just won Was that me . Yeah , I think that was me , I think so . Um but yeah , I'll yeah that was that was and sure . 229.4 230.32 230.52 232.73 232.86 233.65 234.56 235.39 238.57 EN2002d B FEO072 1 233.728 235.09 233.8 234.99 Oh right . Well 234.6 EN2002d B FEO072 1 236.162 240.801 236.21 240.801 j do you want remo move that just n just for nicety . 240.47 EN2002d C MEE071 2 237.754 244.29 237.754 244.29 It just seems to be occupied . The place is alright , doesn't matter really . There's plenty in there . 241.83 242.42 243.02 244.19 EN2002d D MEE073 3 240.288 241.766 240.32 241.69 No . G 241.62 EN2002d D MEE073 3 242.708 247.239 242.708 247.14 Give you false impressions of what's hap s something's going on . 247.14 EN2002d C MEE071 2 245.622 266.672 245.622 266.672 I had lots of stuff in there yesterday that Did you see ? Loads of stuff . Oh no , they live there , but there's I had even more stuff there yesterday . I was unzipping all this kind of crazy huge things that were enormous . I needed them , they were for this though . It's alright , but uh 251.75 253.1 253.44 254.08 256.43 259.53 260.07 260.83 261.27 EN2002d D MEE073 3 248.736 253.587 248.8 253.33 Yeah , I know it . Tons , tons . All those objects , yeah . 249.58 250.08 250.78 252.38 253.13 253.33 EN2002d A FEO070 0 249.531 254.68 249.531 254.51 I I do - EN2002d B FEO072 1 249.822 256.765 250.12 256.765 Yeah , yeah . And really . 250.74 253.12 256.61 EN2002d D MEE073 3 258.807 274.561 258.807 274.39 Right . How's our quota on that ? What's what do actually do you know how much we have ? Yeah , okay . So we probably won't have to worry about that . Yeah . Yeah . Okay . 262.32 263.77 266.67 266.78 267.74 269.82 271.16 273.89 274.39 EN2002d B FEO072 1 264.007 268.663 264.007 268.59 Oh it's huge , several gig I think . 267.36 268.59 EN2002d A FEO070 0 268.8 275.0 268.82 274.89 Yeah . Shoulda run the I_L_ in that directory . Yeah . 269.83 272.18 274.89 EN2002d C MEE071 2 270.598 280.073 270.76 279.82 Yeah , it's uh it's about yeah , it's so I think there's about eight gigs on there . So yeah , it's no problem . It's just much bigger than all of our home directories combined , isn't it ? . 271.07 272.04 273.57 273.91 274.76 278.5 279.82 279.82 EN2002d B FEO072 1 273.538 275.013 273.66 274.87 Yeah , something like that , yeah . 274.06 274.57 274.87 EN2002d D MEE073 3 276.699 279.177 276.76 279.02 Yeah , exac exactly . 276.92 279.02 EN2002d D MEE073 3 280.192 282.4 280.23 282.36 Um I don't know . How's everything else going ? 281.42 282.36 EN2002d A FEO070 0 280.664 281.42 280.81 281.33 Sounds good . 281.33 EN2002d B FEO072 1 282.416 284.634 282.44 284.56 Has anyone had time to to play with it ? 284.56 EN2002d C MEE071 2 285.027 292.72 285.09 292.68 Yeah . I had a play with it um yesterday . Uh no , it was good really . Yeah , I liked it . Um 286.15 289.45 290.55 291.23 291.46 291.91 EN2002d A FEO070 0 286.644 287.151 286.77 287.03 Oh . 287.03 EN2002d A FEO070 0 287.736 288.705 287.736 288.705 . 288.705 EN2002d B FEO072 1 288.367 289.184 288.41 289.15 Any comments ? 289.15 EN2002d C MEE071 2 294.064 294.578 294.08 294.49 uh - EN2002d C MEE071 2 295.968 302.05 295.99 302.05 it uh generated a lot of exceptions in the background . But they didn't cause any problems , but it just 300.07 301.39 EN2002d D MEE073 3 298.948 300.272 299.03 300.272 Oh , yeah . Actually 299.46 299.91 EN2002d B FEO072 1 300.016 300.517 300.04 300.517 Um - EN2002d D MEE073 3 301.852 313.442 301.89 313.29 Do we wanna keep that ? Like are we keeping that how that happens ? It just prints everything out in the in the shell as well , like as it does everything , it just kinda I guess that's its default behaviour anyway . So it's just kinda doesn't really do anything . So , okay . 302.81 304.41 307.08 308.03 310.56 312.37 312.97 313.29 EN2002d B FEO072 1 302.043 302.608 302.1 302.51 Oh right . 302.51 EN2002d B FEO072 1 310.112 326.96 310.13 326.93 Might as well , yeah . I mean yeah . The thing is that , yeah , there is as I said a while ago , there is still this one error which is a bug in in N_X_T_ um that r r always generates these . I think when you when you left-click or right-click or something , I can't remember now . 310.88 311.19 313.15 313.74 313.9 316.03 323.15 326.14 326.93 EN2002d D MEE073 3 320.073 320.821 320.073 320.78 Oh , right . 320.48 320.78 EN2002d D MEE073 3 327.343 327.684 327.41 327.61 Yeah . 327.61 EN2002d B FEO072 1 328.288 338.304 328.35 338.21 Um but if it's a real error , then it it stops , so you can't do any any more . Good . Good . Good . 330.86 332.23 335.93 336.75 337.97 338.21 EN2002d C MEE071 2 332.784 347.942 332.8 347.83 Uh yeah , I didn't discover any of those , yeah . I did have a look . I prodded it to see if it'd break , but it didn't break too m I didn't play that long , but um it seemed alright really , yeah . And it the the th the start-up's great , looks quite good , looks alright . And so yeah , yeah . 333.03 334.0 335.37 338.21 339.5 341.52 343.58 344.04 345.51 346.09 346.74 347.59 347.83 EN2002d A FEO070 0 334.348 338.513 334.348 338.41 It's good thing . Yeah . . 336.43 338.41 338.41 EN2002d D MEE073 3 335.366 338.873 335.53 338.77 'Kay . Right . 338.56 338.77 EN2002d D MEE073 3 343.912 344.469 344.02 344.36 Yeah . 344.36 EN2002d B FEO072 1 347.024 347.357 347.04 347.3 Yeah . 347.3 EN2002d D MEE073 3 347.744 357.28 347.79 357.15 Yeah . I was more or less just playing with the things that had to do directly with what I was doing , so I didn't didn't take it for a full test drive yet . But uh I can do that . That's well , right after this , yeah . 348.11 351.51 353.94 355.25 356.29 356.93 357.15 EN2002d B FEO072 1 352.155 352.612 352.2 352.55 Okay . 352.55 EN2002d B FEO072 1 355.536 362.32 355.56 362.29 Yeah , be good . Is there any any comments you have about just like wording and or some sort of minor things ? 355.95 356.82 362.29 EN2002d A FEO070 0 356.328 357.888 356.43 357.85 Yeah . I'll do it . 357.39 357.85 EN2002d C MEE071 2 362.672 371.502 362.672 371.502 No , looked alright . The only the only thing is the it's not the start-up screen is not too pretty . But uh the the s It doesn't matter too much . 363.17 363.63 368.35 371.11 EN2002d B FEO072 1 363.469 363.99 363.49 363.67 Hmm . 363.67 EN2002d D MEE073 3 368.63 371.525 368.63 371.15 A lot of this Java stuff isn't though . 371.15 EN2002d B FEO072 1 369.121 382.512 369.31 382.512 Yeah , I know . At the moment as well the whole windows that pop up are not pretty at all . But um , you know , I would make them a bit nice if I had more time , but at the moment it doesn't look like that . So I will if 369.89 370.73 374.39 376.12 376.38 378.28 380.26 EN2002d D MEE073 3 379.904 380.288 379.93 380.21 Mm-hmm . 380.21 EN2002d C MEE071 2 380.161 383.803 380.21 383.803 No , it's not it's not it's not a um it's not the top priority , is it . 380.41 383.14 383.52 EN2002d D MEE073 3 381.718 388.184 381.83 387.99 If you if you ch if you change your window manager , it might look a little bit nicer . Just yeah . Oh yeah ? Okay , right . 384.24 386.03 387.18 387.53 387.82 387.99 EN2002d C MEE071 2 385.227 390.688 385.29 390.688 Yeah . I think it'd look better on Windows as well actually . 'Cause um it Java uses the native Windows , doesn't it ? So 385.66 387.73 389.91 390.24 EN2002d D MEE073 3 390.784 391.112 390.81 391.05 Yeah . 391.05 EN2002d C MEE071 2 391.728 392.209 391.81 392.12 Yeah . 392.12 EN2002d D MEE073 3 392.784 398.107 392.81 398.107 Yeah . Actually can we run it on Windows . 393.72 397.78 EN2002d C MEE071 2 393.408 394.286 393.43 394.286 But we don't - EN2002d A FEO070 0 395.04 399.492 395.04 399.38 Hey Zoe . 399.38 EN2002d C MEE071 2 395.111 397.921 395.18 397.921 No . 397.83 EN2002d B FEO072 1 396.932 406.183 397.15 406.1 But that took me so long to do this bloody start window . Nasty . So I'm quite glad that it looks , you know , ni nice on one or this kind of thing . 401.33 402.29 403.71 404.02 406.1 EN2002d C MEE071 2 400.96 402.059 400.98 402.059 Do they ? Yeah . 401.4 401.89 EN2002d D MEE073 3 401.019 402.757 401.2 402.59 Oh yeah ? Okay . 402.37 402.59 EN2002d D MEE073 3 405.83 408.837 405.89 408.79 Were you using like a GUI builder or just all from code ? 408.79 EN2002d B FEO072 1 408.24 409.76 408.26 409.67 No , this is just yeah . 408.66 409.67 EN2002d D MEE073 3 409.68 410.944 409.68 410.944 Okay , and that's 410.43 EN2002d C MEE071 2 411.856 412.51 411.856 411.856 . 411.856 EN2002d D MEE073 3 413.04 415.335 413.1 415.335 That's nasty . 414.92 EN2002d C MEE071 2 414.666 419.031 414.8 418.97 Well the um the um speaker characterisation is finished . 418.97 EN2002d D MEE073 3 418.871 420.867 418.92 420.63 Oh yeah ? Wow . Okay . 419.87 420.27 420.63 EN2002d B FEO072 1 419.84 420.348 419.86 420.19 Alright . 420.19 EN2002d C MEE071 2 420.208 431.336 420.29 431.336 I haven't done it , I haven't updated all those object files though 'cause it takes ages on these computers . So I do it it's faster for some bizarre reason if I log in at home and then run the code . It runs it much faster than if I do it here . But 420.91 424.37 428.84 431.16 EN2002d A FEO070 0 420.306 420.855 420.4 420.72 It's good . 420.72 EN2002d B FEO072 1 431.031 432.952 431.11 432.8 That's odd , yeah . 432.51 432.8 EN2002d D MEE073 3 431.248 432.272 431.27 432.272 Hmm . 432.16 EN2002d C MEE071 2 432.675 436.664 432.76 436.664 But that's why I just can't to sit in the lab and wait half an hour or whatever it takes - EN2002d D MEE073 3 434.368 453.456 434.48 453.37 Well well can you can you connect to your home machine from here and then start it from there ? Just yeah . I don't know . I've done stuff like that before , it's insane , it's insane . Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . 438.67 439.09 442.53 443.93 444.77 446.25 446.53 452.56 453.37 EN2002d C MEE071 2 438.29 454.199 438.29 453.97 Yeah . No , I tried that , but l yeah . It'll really speed it up . Yeah . Yeah . 438.89 439.03 442.68 445.35 449.29 449.72 453.97 EN2002d B FEO072 1 438.722 459.425 438.722 459.22 Try that a few times . Yeah , I started I started using your um um the speak I don't know if you've seen that in the yeah . 441.86 444.1 459.22 EN2002d C MEE071 2 458.307 467.382 458.39 467.15 I saw that , yeah . I saw that it it doe it's tells tells you what speakers uh are in which meeting and then you can see which topics which topics yeah , something like that , yeah . 458.92 459.16 466.46 466.97 467.15 EN2002d B FEO072 1 466.791 472.8 466.94 472.77 Yeah yeah yeah . But it's good , your your stuff is really coo good . It's got a good interface and easy to use . It's nice . 467.7 468.31 469.85 472.41 472.77 EN2002d C MEE071 2 473.104 501.291 473.22 501.291 Yeah . The um th the dialogue acts are all done , and they're quite amusing some of them . But there's some of them some of th the thing actually what I wanted to talk about dialogue acts was um there are some that occur all the time that I just and I don't know how interesting there are . So the fir one statement is that it will b I'd removed it 'cause w it was like everything is prefixed by statement . Every single dialogue act starts with statement and um so everybody's top statement . So it 473.8 477.8 478.94 488.15 494.48 500.88 EN2002d D MEE073 3 488.237 488.759 488.3 488.63 Mm . 488.63 EN2002d B FEO072 1 496.72 497.108 496.78 497.02 Right . 497.02 EN2002d D MEE073 3 500.416 500.763 500.44 500.62 Right . 500.62 EN2002d B FEO072 1 500.848 503.71 500.87 503.68 Well wouldn't won't we include that then ? Yeah . 503.45 503.68 EN2002d A FEO070 0 501.26 501.709 501.31 501.57 Who ? 501.57 EN2002d C MEE071 2 502.432 509.648 502.45 509.52 So I got rid of that . And then everybody the next one seems to mostly be back-channel . Well I don't know what that means . Who knows what back-channel . 503.14 506.82 507.92 509.52 EN2002d D MEE073 3 508.185 508.667 508.22 508.56 What was it ? 508.56 EN2002d A FEO070 0 508.464 508.944 508.48 508.66 What ? 508.66 EN2002d B FEO072 1 509.808 512.03 509.83 511.83 It's when they say mm , uh-huh , yeah . 510.92 511.51 511.83 EN2002d C MEE071 2 512.08 516.052 512.1 516.052 Is that what that means ? Oh , keep that then . Um and then the others are quite 512.77 512.98 513.7 EN2002d B FEO072 1 512.568 512.903 512.59 512.77 Yeah . 512.77 EN2002d A FEO070 0 513.515 513.948 513.67 513.9 Okay . 513.9 EN2002d B FEO072 1 515.133 518.704 515.21 518.704 I don't know if that's very useful , because everyone does it . It's very 516.34 517.91 EN2002d D MEE073 3 515.493 517.904 515.59 517.85 Well , it's kinda boring , yeah . Exactly . 515.96 516.83 517.33 517.85 EN2002d C MEE071 2 518.624 535.824 518.66 535.72 Yeah . Some people don't though . There are some people who don't do that . Actually yeah , you can see that they don't do that and it's the bottom of their list . Yeah . I know . Some people have and acknowledgement is a big one that comes up all the time , yes no questions . Um uh what else comes up ? 518.84 519.47 520.95 521.49 524.11 525.23 528.76 531.74 532.88 535.72 EN2002d B FEO072 1 520.721 521.212 520.81 521.16 Really ? 521.16 EN2002d D MEE073 3 522.229 523.402 522.35 523.402 Hmm . 523.34 EN2002d B FEO072 1 523.844 527.76 523.91 527.76 They're asleep , I think . 524.77 527.33 EN2002d A FEO070 0 525.246 528.821 525.246 528.65 It's just very quiet . 528.65 EN2002d D MEE073 3 525.381 527.077 525.381 527.077 Right . 527.02 EN2002d B FEO072 1 535.205 541.493 535.28 541.42 So which you know , suggest maybe you can suggest a few that which which would be interesting to list . Like three or four or something . 536.23 540.2 541.42 EN2002d C MEE071 2 540.496 580.172 540.67 580.172 Yeah . But that's the thing and so I wanted to know whether or not we 'cause at the moment you can get there's a method that will just give you the top five for or the top X_ . You give it any number and it will give you the top whatever for each person . And then each meeting knows about all the different dialogue acts for each person in the meeting , and the amount that that occurred , and will give you that in top order as well , or will give you or you can just search for each specific dialogue act . Do you have to search on in B_s and K_s rather than real words right at the moment . But I can change that . Um so I don't know what we want to display . That's what I m That's what I'm asking you really . 541.2 547.97 551.07 557.8 560.01 562.59 566.77 572.68 574.47 576.16 579.68 EN2002d B FEO072 1 548.652 549.035 548.74 548.97 Mm-hmm . 548.97 EN2002d D MEE073 3 549.025 549.915 549.13 549.79 Oh yeah , cool . 549.58 549.79 EN2002d B FEO072 1 549.968 550.462 549.99 550.43 Very nice . 550.43 EN2002d B FEO072 1 574.064 574.48 574.1 574.43 Mm-hmm . 574.43 EN2002d D MEE073 3 577.329 587.957 577.59 587.83 Okay , right . Or I don't know , if we have like uh a choice , so they can filter those out f the the top most common , just say okay all show all or show , you know , only the im interesting ones . 577.88 578.19 579.43 580.66 583.48 586.11 586.32 587.83 EN2002d C MEE071 2 586.959 589.344 587.06 589.344 All's a lot , all's like twenty five 587.72 EN2002d D MEE073 3 589.904 590.247 589.92 590.16 Yeah . 590.16 EN2002d B FEO072 1 590.144 590.538 590.21 590.538 But - EN2002d C MEE071 2 590.944 592.848 590.98 592.76 Dialogue acts per b - EN2002d B FEO072 1 591.472 596.845 591.49 596.845 I mean do we do we care if , you know why not w I think , you know , it'd be it'd be difficult 593.13 595.27 595.51 EN2002d D MEE073 3 593.013 597.387 593.21 597.33 Yeah . I don't know , yeah , it doesn't really matter . Well , if we just automatically filter these out . 593.59 594.06 594.19 595.04 595.37 597.33 EN2002d B FEO072 1 597.744 612.118 597.82 612.118 But it would be difficult if , you know , if in the um speaker characterisation window we had a heading , you know , top five dialogue acts . And then then the little brackets , but they're not actually the top five , but top five minus the most common ones , which are , you know 599.21 600.04 603.68 604.04 605.81 606.99 608.66 611.12 611.63 EN2002d C MEE071 2 612.064 629.296 612.12 629.26 Yeah . I think we should have the global top five that cause it each speaker's got top a top whatever , and so just say one of the boxes just explains does this is my top five dialogue acts for the speaker , and then in the meeting you have what you could either have the most commonly occurring ones or you could have a list of each speaker's top dialogue acts . 612.7 617.32 622.79 629.26 EN2002d D MEE073 3 612.11 613.301 612.16 613.03 They're boring . . 613.03 613.03 EN2002d B FEO072 1 613.473 613.971 613.54 613.971 Because - EN2002d B FEO072 1 621.248 622.647 621.31 622.61 For the speaker . Yeah . 622.33 622.61 EN2002d C MEE071 2 630.608 633.422 630.63 633.422 Either of those would do you . But it would start take a lot of space if you have it 631.46 EN2002d B FEO072 1 633.146 635.168 633.17 635.13 No , I wouldn't yeah . 633.66 635.13 EN2002d C MEE071 2 635.331 649.989 635.42 649.79 Or you could have no , you don't need that . So you s 'cause it's 'cause it's a speaker window , the speaker characterisation window comes up . So you've got the global one there , and then here you can just have the top five in this meeting . And then then the top five in that meet in global , the top five this meeting , and then the rest is r obvious , isn't it . Yeah . 636.01 636.55 638.21 639.91 641.43 644.05 646.04 646.83 648.68 649.62 649.79 EN2002d B FEO072 1 639.161 640.183 639.21 640.01 Exactly , yeah . 639.74 640.01 EN2002d B FEO072 1 643.488 644.898 643.52 644.82 Yep . Yeah . 644.4 644.82 EN2002d D MEE073 3 645.283 645.619 645.3 645.45 Mm . 645.45 EN2002d B FEO072 1 645.879 647.93 645.97 647.7 Yeah yeah , yeah . Yeah . 646.57 647.49 647.7 EN2002d D MEE073 3 646.997 647.445 647.1 647.29 Right . 647.29 EN2002d D MEE073 3 649.056 649.357 649.08 649.27 Yeah . 649.27 EN2002d B FEO072 1 649.952 654.048 649.97 654.048 Yeah , just do top five , both local and global , and then have another 650.28 651.83 652.95 EN2002d B FEO072 1 655.088 661.372 655.11 661.372 Um but then we want a selection of three or four maybe interesting ones , and then 660.7 EN2002d C MEE071 2 660.448 660.995 660.48 660.86 That occur . 660.86 EN2002d C MEE071 2 662.484 686.435 662.56 686.33 But you th some often the interesting ones don't occur , things like joke don't occur very often . Well they do sometimes , but they're not that common . One guy has top five joke . One of them is joke . He's an undergrad . That's quite funny . Yeah . Yeah , it's interesting , isn't it ? Yeah . He's the joker . 665.05 667.14 668.02 670.23 671.7 672.29 673.28 673.96 674.26 682.13 683.19 684.42 685.58 686.33 EN2002d A FEO070 0 672.536 678.599 673.0 678.599 Oh . 678.32 EN2002d B FEO072 1 673.549 678.754 673.549 678.754 You followed all this up . 678.28 EN2002d D MEE073 3 674.564 685.623 677.35 685.48 Okay . Actually yeah . This is good for browsing though . It's perfect . I mean that's sorta exactly what you wanna do and look at these things . And so Yeah , who's doing what . 679.06 679.86 681.06 681.52 684.07 684.95 685.48 EN2002d A FEO070 0 682.05 685.184 682.05 685.184 Yeah . 685.04 EN2002d B FEO072 1 685.287 687.637 685.35 687.51 Yeah , see , and that's what speaker characterisation gives you . 685.57 685.71 687.51 EN2002d D MEE073 3 687.456 690.094 687.5 690.094 Exactly . It's fun . 688.37 688.9 EN2002d C MEE071 2 688.208 688.857 688.4 688.74 Yeah . 688.74 EN2002d A FEO070 0 689.16 703.42 689.19 703.42 It's like I'm only interested in this guy , 'cause he seems to be funny . So what is it . 691.2 692.61 702.87 EN2002d B FEO072 1 689.269 690.117 689.33 689.99 Who's the one who dr - EN2002d C MEE071 2 692.332 704.433 692.332 704.433 Yeah , exactly . Yeah . That'd be quite good , wouldn't it ? 692.86 696.79 698.6 699.35 704.09 EN2002d D MEE073 3 692.359 702.528 692.359 702.02 Right . Yeah . Let's take 'em to the next joke . Yeah . 694.46 694.93 697.49 702.02 EN2002d B FEO072 1 692.412 694.245 692.412 694.15 Yeah . 694.15 EN2002d B FEO072 1 696.74 722.342 696.74 722.342 Yeah . Um so is is this percentage then um if you say like um joke for this speaker is percentage , I don't know , twenty , is that the ho what percentage of his speech is joke , or w how what percentage of the jokes 702.91 713.73 714.06 715.26 719.51 EN2002d C MEE071 2 715.055 715.695 715.16 715.5 Yeah . 715.5 EN2002d C MEE071 2 720.374 728.832 720.44 728.72 What percentage of the dialogue acts that he makes are jokes , in the meeting and globally separately , so once globally . Yeah . 724.83 726.52 728.46 728.72 EN2002d B FEO072 1 723.822 726.704 723.9 726.66 Are jokes . Yeah . Yeah . 725.33 726.53 726.66 EN2002d B FEO072 1 727.744 728.208 727.81 728.17 Okay . 728.17 EN2002d C MEE071 2 730.544 738.0 730.56 737.9 Um I think most things are coded with a dialogue act . A lot of them are coded with Z_ , which means no label . So I just ignored that as well . 'Cause that's boring . 733.47 734.43 735.26 737.33 737.9 EN2002d B FEO072 1 736.592 736.88 736.63 736.85 Yeah . 736.85 EN2002d C MEE071 2 739.44 764.288 739.46 764.288 And statement , which is boring . And also the other thing that they have is um if somebody quotes something , so if I quote a joke to you they separate that . So they put they put the the dialogue act and then they put a double a colon and they put that aside . Just ignored anyth any quoted material , 'cause it's got nothing to do with I just scrapped it . Yeah yeah yeah , somebody else's joke . So yeah , you have to be original about your material . Otherwise we don't credit it to you . 740.13 740.59 744.27 747.81 751.65 753.22 756.39 756.81 757.72 758.79 760.25 764.04 EN2002d D MEE073 3 752.576 756.993 752.6 756.993 Hmm . Right , okay . Yeah . Well it's not a real joke anyways . 753.58 753.8 754.62 755.13 756.42 EN2002d B FEO072 1 753.388 754.037 753.43 753.94 Yeah . 753.94 EN2002d D MEE073 3 759.935 763.544 756.993 756.993 . 756.993 EN2002d B FEO072 1 758.4 767.488 758.4 767.488 Yeah . Yeah , I mean just keep it simple as 760.24 761.44 EN2002d D MEE073 3 767.776 768.129 767.8 768.03 Yeah . 768.03 EN2002d C MEE071 2 768.112 769.722 768.13 769.67 Yeah . Yeah . 769.35 769.67 EN2002d B FEO072 1 768.8 770.784 768.8 770.784 Um - EN2002d D MEE073 3 771.088 778.376 771.16 778.29 Okay , that sounds real so that's sort of implemented now or is that or is it close ? Wow . Super . Okay . Like to test that . 771.6 774.94 775.7 776.67 777.64 778.29 EN2002d C MEE071 2 774.208 775.715 774.23 775.59 Yeah , that's all done , yeah . All done , yeah . 774.34 774.83 775.0 775.43 775.59 EN2002d C MEE071 2 776.64 786.967 776.73 786.83 Um yeah , I just have to I'll just finish there might be some polishing . I can't remember . But I think it's pretty much complete done . So I'll do that tonight . Just put it up there . So you can us start using that whenever . 777.83 781.55 781.95 783.39 784.29 784.93 786.83 EN2002d D MEE073 3 781.836 783.484 782.98 783.484 Mm . Actually 783.19 EN2002d D MEE073 3 784.906 803.84 785.03 803.84 Yeah . And when I update my N_L_ , just uh recompile the M_ browsers and then just uh get that . Yeah . Well , so it'll use as my part as well , my um the M_ search . It w actually do we have like naming convention for s our sorts files ? Just prefix 'em with an M_ and Or 786.49 787.59 791.99 792.8 792.97 794.95 796.99 801.03 EN2002d B FEO072 1 791.456 792.448 791.48 792.41 You will , yeah . 792.25 792.41 EN2002d B FEO072 1 794.736 795.119 794.79 794.92 Yeah . 794.92 EN2002d B FEO072 1 796.528 797.04 796.55 797.01 Sounds good . 797.01 EN2002d B FEO072 1 802.908 806.625 802.98 806.35 Yeah , I was thinking that um it sort of turned out that way a bit , didn't it ? 803.28 805.99 806.35 EN2002d D MEE073 3 805.76 810.352 805.78 810.25 Yeah . Yeah . Well that's sorta what I was doing . It Like for your stuff do you have no . 806.78 806.9 807.98 810.25 EN2002d C MEE071 2 809.335 814.033 809.41 813.62 No , I just well it's called meeting and speaker . Well , I can judge it if you want . 809.77 812.61 812.82 813.62 EN2002d D MEE073 3 811.6 812.544 811.63 812.49 Oh okay , alright . 812.31 812.49 EN2002d D MEE073 3 813.664 818.859 813.69 818.859 It doesn't really ma no , it doesn't matter at this point . No , I was just kinda curious . I'm thinking about future stuff maybe , if 814.48 815.62 815.76 817.01 818.65 EN2002d B FEO072 1 813.881 815.128 813.93 815.03 I don't know . Does it matter ? 814.35 815.03 EN2002d C MEE071 2 815.488 816.079 815.51 815.92 Yeah . 815.92 EN2002d B FEO072 1 817.015 817.888 817.015 817.888 Oh , I was 817.48 EN2002d C MEE071 2 818.587 820.784 818.63 820.71 We could put it in a sep in a p package . 820.71 EN2002d D MEE073 3 820.896 821.696 820.92 821.65 Yeah , that's true too . 821.07 821.65 EN2002d C MEE071 2 821.792 822.683 821.81 822.58 If you can be bothered . 822.58 EN2002d D MEE073 3 822.8 824.096 822.82 824.06 Yeah , yeah , doesn't matter . 823.22 823.62 824.06 EN2002d C MEE071 2 824.08 833.892 824.1 833.72 Well it doesn't seem to make any differ I've never ever used Java packages . Doesn't even make any difference . As long as in the same directory it works . So sod it . Right . 826.79 829.41 831.01 833.43 833.72 EN2002d D MEE073 3 827.68 829.831 827.7 829.831 Yeah , exactly . 'Cause 828.18 829.39 EN2002d D MEE073 3 831.46 831.868 831.51 831.68 Yeah . 831.68 EN2002d B FEO072 1 831.661 832.314 831.78 832.13 Mm . 832.13 EN2002d D MEE073 3 834.288 834.764 834.35 834.65 Okay . 834.65 EN2002d B FEO072 1 836.016 841.632 836.04 841.56 I have one one m one little question that I reckon we should have a little icon for our browser . 841.56 EN2002d C MEE071 2 842.69 848.51 842.89 848.51 Well then you can double-click on and it oh , oh . No . 845.74 846.38 848.29 EN2002d B FEO072 1 844.536 855.575 844.58 855.575 Well no , the thing is um in , yeah , in the the top left . At the moment they've got an X_ , which is , you know , N_X_T_ and it's sort of a bit cheeky to use that . So 845.44 847.02 847.21 848.04 849.25 849.89 850.42 855.04 EN2002d A FEO070 0 846.577 848.714 846.66 848.714 Like instead of the - EN2002d D MEE073 3 849.616 850.812 849.66 850.74 Oh yeah . Yeah . 850.49 850.74 EN2002d C MEE071 2 853.361 857.47 853.42 857.35 Yeah , it will have something else . Just borrow a little Microsoft GIF like that . 853.7 855.1 857.35 EN2002d D MEE073 3 855.16 856.033 855.25 855.83 Hmm . 855.83 EN2002d D MEE073 3 857.104 858.896 857.2 858.896 Mm yeah right . 858.81 EN2002d B FEO072 1 857.487 869.831 857.487 869.831 No , we want something original . What do you suggest ? We could the only thing I could think of was an M_ . But 858.9 862.28 866.06 869.31 EN2002d A FEO070 0 860.162 867.348 860.162 867.348 Oh . 867.31 EN2002d D MEE073 3 868.464 870.208 868.48 870.208 Yeah , I know , yeah . Same here . 868.62 869.0 869.49 869.88 EN2002d C MEE071 2 871.568 872.703 871.74 872.4 M_B_ . 872.4 EN2002d A FEO070 0 871.855 892.528 871.92 892.528 We have the g big yellow one maybe . No Huh ? Yeah . Yeah , that would be good . Ah no . 874.6 882.18 882.36 882.81 890.82 892.24 EN2002d C MEE071 2 874.582 879.024 874.582 879.024 Where have I seen that before . 878.87 EN2002d B FEO072 1 874.886 881.131 874.886 881.07 We'd be sued for that , I think . 880.82 881.07 EN2002d D MEE073 3 876.08 879.026 876.19 879.026 Oh right . 878.84 EN2002d D MEE073 3 880.864 887.205 880.88 887.205 Super-size meeting browser . . Well , it's . I don't know . 882.54 882.54 882.63 882.8 887.0 EN2002d B FEO072 1 882.587 888.574 882.62 888.574 Yeah . 883.98 EN2002d C MEE071 2 882.5 888.092 882.79 888.092 Yeah . 887.65 EN2002d D MEE073 3 888.322 889.12 888.44 889.12 Um - EN2002d D MEE073 3 892.56 898.349 892.58 898.349 Just probably basic just text font , and just something nice , something solid maybe . Be a good 895.23 896.42 897.91 EN2002d B FEO072 1 896.528 897.037 896.55 897.037 Yeah um - EN2002d C MEE071 2 897.297 898.894 897.51 898.73 Yeah , anything you like , yeah . 897.72 898.54 898.73 EN2002d B FEO072 1 898.624 904.042 898.64 904.01 I mean it's tiny , so we can't really put more than one character really or one sort of simple GIF . 899.34 904.01 EN2002d D MEE073 3 901.296 902.125 901.32 902.02 Yeah , exactly . 901.43 902.02 EN2002d D MEE073 3 903.696 909.989 903.75 909.9 I know . Anybody have any um artistic talent ? No ? No ? Ok 904.02 908.08 909.36 909.71 EN2002d B FEO072 1 908.896 910.836 908.92 910.65 No . Well , I can dr 909.96 910.26 EN2002d C MEE071 2 909.38 922.608 909.54 922.608 Do you think we'd be doing uh M_S_C_s in Informatics if we did ? Some people do , yeah . Yeah . 914.34 915.14 920.82 922.28 EN2002d A FEO070 0 909.873 910.338 909.94 910.16 Oh . 910.16 EN2002d D MEE073 3 911.666 923.088 911.77 923.088 Yeah . Oh it's possib some people are balanced . Some people are No , I know some balanced people . no . Maybe I'll check see if I can find anyone . Um 912.49 914.87 916.77 918.4 919.17 922.58 EN2002d B FEO072 1 912.064 921.888 912.78 921.888 Yeah . 921.82 EN2002d B FEO072 1 923.168 925.168 923.168 925.11 Well if you find anything , then send it to me . 924.29 925.11 EN2002d D MEE073 3 925.216 925.682 925.24 925.54 Okay . 925.54 EN2002d B FEO072 1 926.208 927.948 926.23 927.86 Otherwise I'll I'll make up some M_ . 927.86 EN2002d D MEE073 3 928.016 935.115 928.06 934.93 How do you s add that to the to the Java programme ? Is it just basic little Okay . Uh-huh , yeah . 931.53 933.42 934.7 934.93 EN2002d B FEO072 1 932.197 934.7 932.22 934.61 I'm not sure actually . I'm thinking yeah . 933.99 934.61 EN2002d C MEE071 2 933.376 941.574 933.51 941.3 That's really easy . You do it in um one of the w whatever the main is it you set w GIF or some Set f set set picture or something . It's really simple . 934.5 940.76 941.3 EN2002d D MEE073 3 939.649 940.214 939.78 940.1 Oh . 940.1 EN2002d B FEO072 1 939.984 946.96 940.07 946.96 Yeah , yeah yeah , I I know yeah , I know how to how to put it there . But I'll have to import it somehow . I'm not quite sure . But 940.71 941.12 942.08 943.83 945.98 946.69 EN2002d D MEE073 3 942.848 945.091 942.87 945.01 So just in the main frame . Okay . Okay , right . 943.88 944.4 944.78 945.01 EN2002d D MEE073 3 946.864 947.397 946.88 947.29 Right , okay . 947.0 947.29 EN2002d C MEE071 2 947.168 949.953 947.23 949.953 Yeah , I think you just give it a file-name and it tells it it knows 947.5 EN2002d B FEO072 1 949.104 950.816 949.12 950.78 Yeah , yeah , probably . 949.88 950.34 950.78 EN2002d D MEE073 3 950.02 954.178 950.16 954.06 Oh , so it'll do the automatic scrunching down if it's bigger ? Oh cool . Nice . Super . 950.25 952.51 953.2 953.8 954.06 EN2002d C MEE071 2 951.911 955.104 951.98 955.01 Yeah , yeah , it just sticks it in the corner . Yeah , yeah . Yeah . 952.23 952.37 953.45 953.71 954.69 955.01 EN2002d A FEO070 0 953.008 953.467 953.03 953.39 Yeah . 953.39 EN2002d A FEO070 0 954.464 963.252 954.464 963.252 We have to remember to include that in our evaluation , how they did the GIF improve your browsing experie 957.56 EN2002d D MEE073 3 961.531 967.472 961.531 967.32 They know it's a distincting di distinctive experience , I guess . Yeah . 966.76 967.12 967.32 EN2002d B FEO072 1 961.462 964.336 961.55 964.336 Yes . 964.18 EN2002d C MEE071 2 961.563 965.281 961.563 965.281 Yeah . 965.16 EN2002d A FEO070 0 966.303 966.682 966.35 966.62 Sorry . 966.62 EN2002d B FEO072 1 966.96 969.074 966.98 969.074 Oh yes . 968.91 EN2002d C MEE071 2 968.592 978.418 968.62 978.418 It could even have some sound when it comes on . It go welcome to the meeting browser . No , that's problem . Have to do it in the 970.42 975.88 976.03 977.5 EN2002d B FEO072 1 970.844 976.526 970.92 976.526 No . No uh 972.78 EN2002d D MEE073 3 971.057 973.237 971.057 973.11 Can we g - EN2002d D MEE073 3 974.377 984.461 974.51 984.36 Can we get sound on these machines ? Yeah . I wish Actually have you ever managed N oh yeah , you must have , yeah , got play any sort of music on the DICE machines ? Right , okay . 976.1 976.54 979.5 980.03 980.26 983.57 983.91 984.36 EN2002d C MEE071 2 983.152 987.137 983.17 987.01 Not no , but I think if you put headphones in , it will just play just normally . 984.79 985.88 987.01 EN2002d D MEE073 3 986.703 990.105 986.76 989.99 Oh right right . They have them on the front too , I think . Yeah . 987.58 988.84 989.71 989.99 EN2002d B FEO072 1 986.876 988.0 986.876 987.97 If - EN2002d B FEO072 1 989.344 998.441 989.36 998.1 if the sound-card is registered to your name , which it usually is not , and you have to re-boot , and sometimes it still doesn't work , then yeah . 992.92 994.81 996.12 997.49 998.1 EN2002d D MEE073 3 992.672 994.935 992.71 994.84 Mm . Okay , right . 994.27 994.53 994.84 EN2002d C MEE071 2 993.0 994.729 993.04 994.64 Yeah . Yeah . 994.2 994.64 EN2002d D MEE073 3 997.984 998.368 998.01 998.22 Right . 998.22 EN2002d C MEE071 2 998.384 999.647 998.42 999.51 Sometimes it works , yeah . 999.21 999.51 EN2002d A FEO070 0 999.024 1006.615 999.024 1006.615 I guess that's why we have a separate speech lab . Yeah . Yeah , um 1002.59 1003.05 1006.04 EN2002d D MEE073 3 999.791 1000.164 999.94 1000.03 Damn . 1000.03 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1002.24 1004.62 1002.54 1004.62 Yeah . 1004.25 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1002.437 1012.887 1002.54 1012.887 Yes . Yeah . Get a lot of audio . No . Okay . Um okay , well this this looks good . 1004.5 1006.12 1007.44 1008.49 1009.72 1010.92 1012.47 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1010.544 1013.216 1010.82 1012.97 'Kay . Yeah . Yeah . 1011.66 1012.55 1012.97 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1014.383 1014.998 1014.45 1014.998 Um - EN2002d A FEO070 0 1014.304 1027.909 1014.46 1027.909 I ran in some troubles with the indexing , but uh f found another package I instead of writing it from um the scratch , 'cause it well , I don't know um just now , but I haven't played around it that much . But 1016.53 1022.53 1023.27 1025.25 1027.5 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1028.832 1029.2 1028.832 1028.832 . 1028.832 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1030.19 1034.384 1030.35 1034.384 We'll see what happens in the next few days . 1034.25 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1031.31 1031.869 1031.38 1031.67 Yeah . 1031.67 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1033.102 1037.824 1033.14 1037.78 Are we gonna be uh trying to get the output from that and I don't know , still haven't found out if it's um 1036.43 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1038.976 1058.992 1039.0 1058.992 feasible to open up more than one well , as many mm NOM objects as we can for each meeting to do like we were gonna need like figure that the ranking did make sense , like to be looking through the highest ranked ones first . So if we are gonna look through only five of them , just pick the top five to to do the the search and Since that's probably what we're looking for anyways . So 1041.13 1047.44 1051.04 1052.52 1058.82 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1040.512 1042.559 1040.86 1042.32 Yeah we'll think about that . 1042.32 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1054.832 1056.849 1054.86 1056.849 Mm-hmm . 1056.63 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1059.648 1061.494 1059.67 1061.494 I can send you right now . Like 1061.09 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1061.216 1061.504 1061.24 1061.46 Yeah . 1061.46 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1062.686 1063.41 1062.77 1063.41 Um - EN2002d C MEE071 2 1065.63 1074.56 1065.75 1074.43 I still can't make it run T_N_T_ from Java . Yeah , you try it . If you can make it work , then I'll be well chuffed . 1070.74 1071.0 1071.4 1072.28 1074.43 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1065.862 1066.569 1065.9 1066.42 C_ . 1066.42 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1068.149 1080.544 1068.21 1080.544 Are you serious ? Maybe I'll try . Yeah ? Okay . S Yeah , I'd That'd be a surprise 'cause I'm bad at Java . Yes . Um 1069.75 1072.55 1072.96 1073.77 1075.75 1078.64 1080.09 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1073.141 1073.773 1073.18 1073.67 Yeah . 1073.67 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1078.201 1092.009 1078.201 1092.009 Yeah . I didn't expect this course to be so much about Java . But uh feels like it's it's a Java course more than anything else . It's just like 1080.84 1083.61 1090.58 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1083.808 1084.688 1083.83 1084.62 Yeah , seriously . 1084.26 1084.62 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1085.792 1086.256 1085.792 1085.792 . 1085.792 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1087.84 1092.862 1088.05 1092.862 It's a Java course . 1092.67 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1089.456 1090.207 1089.65 1090.207 Yeah . 1089.98 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1089.93 1093.168 1090.05 1093.168 Mm yeah . Practical Java . 1091.26 1093.0 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1091.775 1097.456 1091.85 1097.456 In fact it's a N_X_T_ package . 1097.35 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1094.841 1096.725 1094.841 1096.725 Yeah . 1096.29 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1094.899 1100.312 1095.01 1100.312 Yeah . How do you guys find the documentation for N_X_T_ and 1098.08 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1095.93 1097.028 1095.98 1096.94 Course , yeah . 1096.54 1096.94 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1097.808 1098.538 1097.808 1098.538 . 1098.538 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1100.32 1103.636 1100.38 1103.636 Right . 1103.36 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1101.418 1102.401 1101.46 1102.31 Yeah . 1102.31 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1101.501 1104.569 1101.62 1104.4 Yeah , okay , good . That's my belief as well . 1101.82 1102.37 1103.04 1104.4 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1103.666 1114.45 1103.71 1114.45 I mean sometimes they have methods that don't have any explanation to them at all . So you just like right , I'll try this then and see what it gives me . 1108.48 1109.44 1114.27 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1107.968 1108.495 1107.99 1108.4 Yeah . 1108.4 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1108.283 1109.277 1108.36 1109.277 Yeah , I think it was 1108.59 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1110.586 1122.457 1110.61 1122.31 So what does . Yeah . And it uh it's was apparently generated by going to d generate JavaDoc and it just went Spat it all out and they never bothered to uh d comment anything . 1111.55 1112.99 1122.31 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1112.08 1113.667 1112.1 1113.43 Yeah . Yeah . 1113.09 1113.43 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1121.008 1126.116 1121.03 1126.116 Yeah , exactly . Well it's still I guess research platform . Uh 1121.69 1122.18 1125.77 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1125.024 1129.523 1125.06 1129.44 Yeah . At least get to know what methods are there . So without having to look at the source codes . Yeah , yeah . 1125.54 1127.56 1129.04 1129.15 1129.44 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1127.487 1127.986 1127.55 1127.82 Yeah . 1127.82 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1129.08 1132.445 1129.12 1132.445 Yeah , that's true . Okay . I was just curious . Well 1129.29 1130.66 1131.22 1132.12 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1131.024 1131.674 1131.22 1131.62 What ? 1131.62 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1131.239 1131.648 1131.27 1131.61 Hmm . 1131.61 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1132.656 1133.76 1132.68 1133.7 Yes , that's it right here . 1132.85 1133.7 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1138.464 1139.21 1138.48 1139.21 So - EN2002d D MEE073 3 1138.814 1159.36 1138.83 1159.32 So c did we have a date for when we actually want the system done ? I thought I thought we said th I thought we ch yeah , I thought we change it to the tenth or something . Um 'cause the thing is I mean we can keep working on little things f you know and sh Oh , well we should do this or do this . Should we Um 1144.59 1148.09 1151.63 1157.09 1158.1 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1143.782 1144.298 1143.8 1144.19 Friday ? 1144.19 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1144.4 1146.935 1144.42 1146.81 Today , wasn't it ? It's the eighth . 1144.78 1145.92 1146.81 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1145.136 1150.819 1145.136 1150.78 We change it to Friday . Yeah . 1150.39 1150.78 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1145.919 1147.135 1145.94 1146.97 I thought it was Friday . 1146.97 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1149.664 1151.645 1149.77 1151.645 Okay . 1151.51 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1151.989 1153.12 1152.01 1153.12 I guess that's not - EN2002d D MEE073 3 1161.024 1169.376 1161.04 1169.33 so I don't know , do we want to set an actual hard deadline for like did when exactly were we gonna start the evaluation ? 1161.63 1169.33 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1165.632 1167.024 1165.65 1166.99 Yeah , I think we both should , yeah . 1166.0 1166.81 1166.99 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1169.296 1174.319 1169.32 1174.17 Well that's the problem , because Steve hasn't given us any details , has he ? 1170.5 1173.72 1174.17 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1173.568 1190.624 1173.59 1190.59 Mm 'kay . Well we yeah , I guess well we can still come up with like test cases or whatever for for the people and just yeah , come up with scenarios , that sort of thing . I mean that's that's fairly straight-forward . And could actually be fun . Yeah , exactly . That's true , just brain-storm , yeah . Yeah . 1174.27 1174.7 1179.2 1180.76 1181.39 1185.04 1187.03 1187.16 1188.05 1188.64 1189.32 1190.35 1190.59 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1180.417 1181.34 1180.45 1181.19 That's true . 1181.19 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1184.848 1186.848 1184.87 1186.81 I I'm sure we could do that in like a meeting - EN2002d B FEO072 1 1187.952 1189.92 1187.98 1189.89 and make it up together . Yeah . 1189.57 1189.89 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1191.152 1191.504 1191.17 1191.47 Um - EN2002d D MEE073 3 1193.056 1193.391 1193.056 1193.391 . 1193.391 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1193.072 1203.185 1193.09 1203.11 the thing is yeah , we had the the deadline last Friday , but we won't be able to do any evaluation during the weekend anyway , so I think we could set Monday . 1193.96 1195.97 1201.32 1203.11 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1193.258 1193.849 1193.35 1193.79 Yeah . 1193.79 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1200.176 1201.894 1200.23 1201.894 No . So we 1201.09 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1200.581 1201.545 1200.63 1201.41 Yeah , that's true , yeah . 1200.84 1201.15 1201.41 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1203.056 1208.062 1203.08 1208.062 Yeah , that would be more reasonable . 'Cause the I_L_ is Friday . 1204.03 1205.94 1207.64 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1203.127 1203.552 1203.2 1203.52 Yeah . 1203.52 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1205.303 1205.744 1205.4 1205.7 Right . 1205.7 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1205.872 1207.328 1205.89 1207.27 And that would give us the whole weekend . 1207.27 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1207.693 1218.091 1207.73 1218.02 To work on it as well . Yeah . . No , I've I've got my D_N_L_G_ presentation on Monday . I have to read the paper . Yeah . 1208.99 1210.52 1210.52 1210.62 1214.45 1217.6 1218.02 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1209.089 1220.512 1209.18 1220.45 What ? Oh yeah , you have your presenta Right , whatever . It's too much now . Well but yeah , Monday 1210.32 1210.62 1212.58 1215.96 1218.66 1219.96 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1221.136 1221.593 1221.17 1221.47 Mm-hmm . 1221.47 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1222.096 1224.576 1222.12 1224.576 we'll try and do Monday . Um I mean we could 1223.54 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1222.652 1223.515 1222.68 1223.4 Yeah , I think so . 1223.04 1223.4 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1226.064 1227.76 1226.13 1227.72 Should we meet up Monday ? 1227.72 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1228.752 1229.341 1228.77 1229.341 Or - EN2002d D MEE073 3 1231.312 1235.152 1231.33 1235.152 We'll probably have to talk to Steve at some point as well I guess . But um 1233.84 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1232.064 1232.528 1232.08 1232.528 Should we - EN2002d A FEO070 0 1233.792 1234.224 1233.85 1234.19 Yeah . 1234.19 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1235.792 1237.376 1235.81 1237.34 Just sh like w - EN2002d D MEE073 3 1236.736 1247.6 1236.76 1247.55 I'll probably just have a regular Tuesday meeting with him . Like we can send him an email , but I don't know if he's around even . He's not around this week , is he or that's why I think that's why we didn't have the the meeting . 1239.49 1240.51 1242.67 1243.56 1247.55 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1241.504 1242.682 1241.52 1242.682 Yeah . Just 1242.27 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1244.944 1246.347 1245.04 1246.31 I don't know . I think it was . 1245.39 1246.31 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1246.198 1249.079 1246.3 1248.99 Don't know . Maybe it's just a day , I don't know . 1247.69 1248.56 1248.99 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1248.976 1249.518 1249.0 1249.43 Yeah . 1249.43 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1249.342 1250.132 1249.39 1250.03 Yeah , 'kay . 1249.81 1250.03 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1249.664 1250.108 1249.7 1250.0 Yeah . 1250.0 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1250.08 1252.055 1250.12 1252.055 Send him an email . He'll probably re-do it anyway . So 1250.7 1251.8 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1251.776 1257.869 1251.8 1257.869 Yeah , it's true . Although do we really want the answer . S s So if we don't ask we can push it off and 1251.94 1252.62 1254.3 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1251.867 1252.165 1251.9 1252.04 Okay . 1252.04 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1254.737 1256.034 1254.82 1255.96 Okay . Yeah . 1255.64 1255.96 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1255.256 1262.207 1255.43 1262.207 Yeah . Exactly , yeah . At the end we'll say , yeah but you never gave us any test subjects . 1256.96 1257.58 1258.14 1258.97 1261.95 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1257.772 1258.256 1257.89 1258.22 Yeah . 1258.22 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1260.239 1262.708 1260.3 1262.708 Yeah . 1262.2 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1261.554 1262.644 1261.554 1262.36 Yeah w - EN2002d A FEO070 0 1262.076 1265.312 1262.28 1265.23 Well so he's supposed to give us test subject . Did he say that or what ? 1264.47 1265.23 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1264.368 1274.007 1264.39 1274.007 Well sort of , that's how I understood it . He would he would make something up . Ha yeah , find some people , that's how I understood it . Um the thing is , you know 1265.06 1267.1 1269.34 1269.82 1270.79 1272.72 1273.47 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1265.604 1267.184 1265.63 1267.08 He said he might he would try . 1267.08 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1268.784 1269.216 1268.8 1269.16 Okay . 1269.16 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1269.923 1273.124 1270.11 1273.124 Yeah . Yeah . Yeah , that's 1271.75 1272.59 1272.77 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1272.112 1282.179 1272.112 1282.179 'Cause we're gonna get an email on our uh M_S_C_ list saying from Steve , we need volunt yeah . 1278.28 1282.11 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1272.096 1272.656 1272.12 1272.49 Yeah . 1272.49 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1276.306 1280.165 1276.306 1280.165 You're right , yeah . We're looking for volunteers . 1277.13 1277.93 1279.17 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1279.473 1290.116 1279.56 1290.05 Yes . Um I think if we if we don't get anything from him , then we should just do our friends basically . 1282.07 1286.35 1290.05 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1281.152 1282.112 1281.17 1282.112 Yeah . 1281.44 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1290.112 1290.384 1290.13 1290.28 Yeah . 1290.28 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1290.177 1293.524 1290.37 1293.46 Yeah , if they have time . It's hard finding people . 1290.94 1292.24 1293.46 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1292.208 1308.688 1292.208 1308.688 Well th they gonna u need us . They're gonna need us for like perception projects and things like that . So yeah . We need to use each other for those 1296.3 1300.67 1305.11 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1294.167 1294.724 1294.26 1294.54 Hmm . 1294.54 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1295.351 1297.868 1295.39 1297.868 Well they're your friends , so they should 1296.57 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1296.659 1298.334 1296.74 1298.334 Yeah yeah I know , but 1298.06 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1299.872 1305.404 1299.97 1305.31 Yeah . Yeah , that's true . Yeah , that's true . Yeah . Yeah . 1300.61 1300.78 1302.11 1302.39 1303.7 1305.04 1305.31 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1300.824 1303.942 1300.85 1303.89 But it's not gonna take long . It's only only gonna be half an hour maybe . 1301.81 1303.89 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1306.261 1306.918 1306.49 1306.918 Um - EN2002d D MEE073 3 1306.8 1327.576 1306.8 1327.5 Yeah . Actually some other friends of mine in different programmes might might be more willing . Have more of a break . So that might be an idea , get a range of types of people as well . Like not like highly computer lit like not , you know , Linux literate or yeah . I think that might be good , as well . Set a wider range of people . 1308.98 1313.1 1314.82 1315.69 1317.72 1320.38 1320.91 1323.3 1324.45 1325.65 1327.5 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1312.253 1316.28 1312.253 1316.08 Yeah , that's true . 1312.96 1316.08 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1318.407 1323.081 1318.49 1323.02 Maybe , yeah . Well it will be . Yeah . It'll have to be , yeah . 1319.12 1320.05 1321.02 1322.03 1322.64 1323.02 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1325.024 1325.514 1325.04 1325.38 Hmm . 1325.38 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1326.545 1327.31 1326.57 1327.31 So - EN2002d C MEE071 2 1327.424 1329.904 1327.51 1329.904 So how many people do we uh try and 'cause it - EN2002d D MEE073 3 1329.44 1355.919 1329.5 1355.72 Uh no , I think like three or four maybe . Bet that would be a good yeah , I think that d No , that's that's a lot . No . Yeah , exactly . Like the thing like did an H_C_I_ course a while ago and it's just that's what these yeah , there's three people . Yeah . And that was fine . Then you can do a massive amount of analysis on three people . Yeah . Yeah . Oh yeah . S We don't want to . 1329.76 1331.65 1333.66 1335.85 1337.75 1338.72 1338.89 1339.75 1344.41 1346.36 1347.18 1347.9 1351.44 1352.2 1353.05 1354.07 1355.72 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1331.434 1333.712 1331.53 1333.58 Yeah . Yeah , yeah . 1332.65 1333.36 1333.58 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1332.596 1336.905 1332.63 1336.905 Really ? I was thinking of like ten . Fifteen . 1333.68 1335.54 1336.68 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1335.202 1341.104 1335.28 1341.104 No , it'll take forever , and then you gotta analyse the results . No no no no no , forget it . 1336.21 1337.43 1339.14 1340.08 1340.88 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1339.45 1340.207 1339.57 1340.207 Uh - EN2002d B FEO072 1 1345.952 1346.369 1345.97 1346.3 Really ? 1346.3 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1350.967 1352.314 1350.967 1352.15 Yeah . 1352.15 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1350.907 1351.63 1351.02 1351.48 Really ? 1351.48 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1354.912 1357.104 1354.93 1357.0 How can you get a range of people if you have three ? 1357.0 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1357.024 1369.73 1357.05 1369.73 Yeah , but one computer scientist one l and one dude off the street . 1357.52 1369.41 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1357.696 1378.399 1357.696 1378.1 Yeah . Yeah . Yeah , yeah . And then one's supposed to be a woman . And one's supposed be a man . And one , I don't know . Oh yeah . 1360.76 1361.94 1362.53 1363.89 1365.92 1369.05 1372.08 1377.89 1378.1 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1358.481 1360.676 1358.481 1360.57 One art student . 1360.57 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1358.623 1382.158 1358.623 1382.158 Yeah , exact exact Mm visible minorities . yeah . Three or four . Oh God . Um but yeah , if he finds them , then that's cool . If he finds the people . M um 1363.58 1369.47 1374.25 1376.28 1377.69 1378.33 1379.1 1379.88 1380.94 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1361.652 1366.046 1362.75 1366.046 Yeah . 1365.93 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1368.235 1377.481 1368.59 1377.481 Yeah . And hen we should just have two . Yeah . Oh dear . Um 1370.42 1371.83 1372.07 1376.86 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1371.007 1375.28 1371.007 1375.28 Yeah , one man , one woman , yeah . 1372.98 1373.41 1373.95 1374.9 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1379.856 1380.325 1379.88 1380.19 Yeah , okay . 1380.01 1380.19 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1382.496 1383.088 1382.54 1382.91 Yeah . 1382.91 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1382.704 1392.864 1383.06 1392.83 Another thing , um , we have the we have the um the presentation on like in one and a half weeks or something , whatever it is . Or nearly two weeks . 1384.11 1385.53 1390.95 1391.83 1392.83 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1383.421 1384.436 1383.47 1384.39 Should we just yeah . 1384.39 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1385.136 1386.592 1385.16 1386.592 Oh , writing up . 1385.48 1385.78 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1391.552 1391.964 1391.57 1391.78 Yeah . 1391.78 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1392.013 1392.834 1392.03 1392.71 Looks brilliant . 1392.71 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1393.568 1395.424 1393.59 1395.38 Yeah , it's Tuesday the twenty second . 1393.8 1395.38 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1394.086 1397.04 1394.17 1396.77 Two weeks . Two two two weeks today . 1395.44 1396.77 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1394.56 1400.368 1394.7 1400.33 Oh is Tu yeah , it is two weeks then . Do we have to have done the evaluation by then ? 1396.02 1397.66 1400.33 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1397.088 1397.36 1397.11 1397.27 Yeah . 1397.27 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1397.36 1397.892 1397.4 1397.81 Okay . 1397.81 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1400.742 1401.241 1400.88 1401.1 Yeah . 1401.1 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1401.568 1402.176 1401.59 1402.13 I think so . 1402.13 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1402.367 1410.844 1402.42 1410.8 Um I thought the evaluation maybe for the report . So th and that's due on the twenty fifth . Twenty fifth is is it ? I is it ? That's what I understood . 1406.1 1407.52 1408.82 1409.7 1410.8 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1403.904 1404.488 1403.92 1404.488 Well uh - EN2002d C MEE071 2 1406.144 1409.776 1406.16 1409.62 When's the report hand-in ? Is oh right , is that th is that the Friday ? 1407.12 1408.41 1409.62 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1409.936 1414.042 1409.96 1413.96 What ? Oh , it's a Thursday . Yeah . So it's not the yeah . 1410.76 1410.9 1412.16 1412.78 1413.96 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1409.961 1413.1 1410.01 1412.99 It's the Thursday . No , the Thursday , I think . I think it's the Thursday . 1410.75 1410.96 1411.43 1412.11 1412.99 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1411.151 1412.557 1411.19 1412.48 The twenty fourth then . 1412.48 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1412.45 1438.565 1412.47 1438.3 I thought it said twen I thought he said twenty fifth . Even though it's Good Friday , I thought okay . Yeah . Oh yeah . Easter two days yeah . No . Well it wasn't originally either . So Um Yeah , okay . Okay . So that gives us two days to do the uh evaluation . No evaluation I was gonna say . And report . 1415.0 1415.86 1419.52 1420.66 1421.63 1424.03 1424.18 1426.56 1429.44 1430.82 1432.47 1435.67 1437.66 1438.3 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1417.392 1417.885 1417.41 1417.83 Yeah . 1417.83 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1417.679 1421.847 1417.75 1421.847 It's not a good Friday if if that's - EN2002d B FEO072 1 1417.893 1419.282 1417.91 1419.25 Is that Good Friday already ? 1419.25 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1419.332 1421.246 1419.4 1421.246 Yeah yeah , that's Good Friday . 1419.82 1421.14 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1422.16 1422.742 1422.21 1422.71 Wow . 1422.71 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1422.742 1425.943 1422.76 1425.943 It's not a good Friday if it's a deadline . 1425.87 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1423.12 1423.712 1423.14 1423.48 Yeah . 1423.48 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1424.218 1425.075 1424.31 1424.8 No . 1424.8 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1426.909 1430.112 1426.94 1430.07 Well it I'm sure on the web-site it says Thursday . Hmm . 1429.74 1430.07 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1427.786 1428.227 1427.88 1428.11 No . 1428.11 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1432.0 1432.708 1432.02 1432.53 Can have a look . 1432.53 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1434.464 1438.389 1434.464 1438.28 The report , yeah . No , okay . Oh . No , we p 1435.72 1436.24 1436.38 1437.38 1437.94 1438.08 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1436.56 1441.184 1436.56 1441.09 Well , you know , the the question is , i do we need the evaluation for the presentation . 1437.66 1437.92 1439.01 1441.09 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1441.442 1446.464 1441.442 1446.43 I didn't think so necessarily . I wouldn't I wouldn't assume . But we should ask him . 1444.08 1445.37 1446.43 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1446.713 1449.374 1446.73 1449.374 We should definitely ask him . Because if not , then 1448.07 1448.84 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1448.183 1449.323 1448.42 1449.24 I thought we would . 1449.24 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1451.199 1458.79 1451.31 1458.68 Mm . oh we should have it we should try and have at it done by then anyway , I think . Otherwise it will start to getting b bit tight otherwise . 1451.49 1454.59 1454.91 1458.68 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1456.351 1461.281 1456.41 1461.2 Yeah , that's probably c Like , it's a good target . It's a good Yeah . 1456.7 1458.47 1459.65 1461.2 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1459.403 1459.752 1459.48 1459.65 Oh . 1459.65 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1460.47 1461.792 1460.55 1461.74 Yeah , you might be right . 1460.89 1461.74 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1462.448 1472.144 1462.47 1472.144 We should aim to be finished by Monday , this Monday coming . A week no yeah well , basically for Tuesday . Start the evaluation t pretty much straight-away and then get 1464.76 1466.29 1467.44 1468.85 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1470.896 1472.096 1470.92 1472.05 Mm , right . 1471.77 1472.05 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1473.616 1475.452 1473.64 1475.452 Get s yeah , and then get um 1474.42 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1475.181 1477.634 1475.22 1477.634 Because we need to write a presentation as well . 1477.5 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1476.917 1479.603 1476.96 1479.5 We have to write the report , yeah , and everything . We have to write everything . 1478.01 1478.21 1478.72 1479.5 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1477.051 1477.5 1477.13 1477.37 Yeah . 1477.37 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1478.998 1491.056 1479.02 1491.02 Actually it's fun No . No , it's it just funny that , you know , have it finish by Monday . 'Cause after Monday I'm pretty much free for about a week or so . It's like it's like if we had , you know , a bit more time . Yeah . 1480.58 1480.8 1481.8 1481.95 1482.76 1485.94 1488.92 1489.65 1490.73 1491.02 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1485.22 1487.082 1485.22 1487.082 Yeah . 1486.94 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1485.091 1487.744 1485.26 1487.71 Exactly , me too . That's the point . 1485.96 1486.68 1487.71 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1489.104 1495.966 1489.16 1495.85 Yeah . Yeah . Well , I'm not free after this Monday , but I'm free at like after the eighteenth . 1490.51 1491.19 1491.51 1492.58 1495.85 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1493.024 1493.541 1493.04 1493.47 Okay . 1493.47 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1494.544 1508.968 1494.56 1508.9 Oh the next one , okay . See , I'm yeah I'm free this after this Monday , and it's well , why ? What else uh that's that's easy compared to the other stuff . I mean I'm not even worried about that . Yeah . Yeah , okay . Yeah , okay . 1495.21 1495.58 1495.73 1497.93 1499.5 1499.6 1503.59 1505.94 1507.24 1507.36 1508.27 1508.51 1508.9 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1495.584 1500.691 1495.6 1500.56 Yeah . Oh we have three ? S_P_ two . 1496.71 1499.79 1500.56 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1500.158 1505.25 1500.22 1505.25 S_P_ two . 1505.18 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1502.482 1507.856 1502.57 1507.82 Because because I don't have anything after the eighteenth apart from this . 1507.82 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1505.664 1506.344 1505.68 1506.21 Aren't you ? 1506.21 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1507.776 1508.121 1507.8 1508.07 Oh yeah . 1508.07 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1508.112 1520.175 1508.13 1520.175 And you must have your research proposal . Is that in on the eighteenth ? Shit . I've not done at all , yeah . 1512.25 1514.32 1516.52 1519.8 1520.09 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1510.544 1511.044 1510.57 1510.96 Oh . 1510.96 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1510.672 1513.127 1510.69 1513.07 Well that's in on the eighteenth . Mm-hmm . 1512.76 1513.07 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1513.76 1517.726 1513.78 1517.726 You didn't know that ? Oh yeah . How's yours ? 1514.64 1516.92 1517.64 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1517.539 1518.171 1517.63 1517.89 Oh yeah . 1517.89 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1519.29 1521.088 1519.29 1520.96 Thank God . 1520.96 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1519.697 1520.37 1519.76 1520.22 Ooh . 1520.22 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1521.632 1523.417 1521.632 1523.417 So um - EN2002d A FEO070 0 1522.445 1528.098 1522.81 1527.85 In our uh timeline we r put in twenty fifth and that's the Friday I think . 1527.85 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1526.764 1533.057 1527.0 1532.93 Okay . Maybe that was us then , not him . No actually I might have this stuff here . 1527.73 1528.67 1531.43 1532.93 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1529.248 1536.293 1529.27 1536.22 Yeah . I'm just that's why I'm trying to find his his dates . Whatever . 1529.86 1535.81 1536.22 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1535.68 1537.632 1535.71 1537.57 Schedule . Yeah , Thursday twenty fourth . 1536.47 1536.71 1537.57 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1540.048 1541.74 1540.07 1541.64 Deadline for submission of final report . 1541.64 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1540.0 1542.83 1540.16 1542.83 We're planning on having a big party on the twenty fourth . So 1542.52 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1542.891 1547.132 1542.891 1547.07 Oh . Well now you can . Yeah . 1545.02 1546.76 1547.07 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1545.552 1547.741 1545.57 1547.741 End of lectures . 1547.68 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1550.208 1551.504 1550.26 1551.504 So - EN2002d D MEE073 3 1551.888 1553.967 1552.09 1553.8 So twenty fourth so it we sh - EN2002d B FEO072 1 1553.36 1555.432 1553.38 1555.36 Anyone fancy writing him an email ? 1555.36 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1555.872 1557.312 1556.06 1557.28 Oh , it's actually twenty fourth . 1556.24 1557.28 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1557.536 1563.606 1557.56 1563.606 Yep . Um just to ask whether we need to have the evaluation done for the demonstration ? Or 1558.84 1563.15 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1563.358 1565.594 1563.42 1565.594 That , yep . And 1563.95 1564.73 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1566.464 1568.624 1566.49 1568.58 We should have it done anyways . But okay , yeah . Sure . 1567.53 1567.96 1568.39 1568.58 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1571.264 1577.594 1571.28 1577.47 Hopefully , but yeah . Is is that is that a part of the demonstration , did they want that information , the evaluation as part of yep . 1571.76 1572.74 1574.88 1575.93 1577.47 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1571.6 1574.412 1571.62 1574.36 But it's still important to know . So we would def 1573.54 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1575.824 1583.534 1575.84 1583.534 Yeah , yeah yeah . I mean we need to know that anyway to prepare the presentation in the first place . And um 1576.55 1577.93 1582.47 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1581.44 1581.776 1581.55 1581.73 Right . 1581.73 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1586.576 1587.428 1586.6 1587.35 What was the other one . 1587.35 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1588.65 1600.264 1588.72 1600.18 Basically , how is how is it going with your evaluation proposal . Have you got people yet for us , or what are you thinking , and when ? 1590.34 1595.99 1598.39 1599.53 1600.18 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1595.712 1595.936 1595.77 1595.9 Yeah . 1595.9 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1595.728 1596.469 1595.86 1596.28 Oh right . 1596.28 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1600.892 1608.55 1601.31 1608.55 Did he say anything about like h what he expects of the final report and stuff ? Like length or 1607.14 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1607.392 1607.992 1607.42 1607.93 No . 1607.93 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1607.792 1616.624 1607.81 1616.57 Um there are a f a few little things . Um just made some comments the last meeting . Just general , like how it all integrates , blah blah blah , all this kind of stuff . But yeah . 1609.38 1611.85 1613.02 1614.03 1614.41 1615.35 1616.57 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1615.168 1618.818 1615.3 1618.7 Do we know did he ever say how long it was supposed to be ? 1618.7 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1616.544 1616.953 1616.57 1616.953 Only - EN2002d D MEE073 3 1618.96 1622.768 1618.99 1622.16 No . I'd expect somewhere ten to fifteen pages . 1619.97 1622.16 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1621.737 1623.808 1621.81 1623.65 Mm it's gonna be a lot . 1623.65 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1622.992 1625.139 1623.02 1625.139 I mean how long we're this - EN2002d D MEE073 3 1623.968 1627.719 1624.06 1627.68 Although it's fifty percent of the mark I think , is it ? I think . 1625.99 1627.25 1627.68 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1627.216 1628.089 1627.25 1628.089 One , two 1627.79 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1627.824 1631.293 1627.84 1631.2 But we can write a lot . I mean I think we should we should write everything . 1628.69 1631.2 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1628.878 1629.99 1628.878 1629.9 yeah . 1629.9 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1631.168 1633.556 1631.19 1633.43 Exactly . Well we have a bit of time to do the writing up . 1631.74 1633.43 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1631.424 1645.296 1631.44 1645.18 Yeah . 'Cause this I mean We have interim report of seven pages , and that's we can y yeah . We could p probably just expand that . 1632.58 1638.41 1642.52 1645.18 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1634.704 1635.36 1634.73 1635.24 So that'll be good . 1635.24 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1640.064 1641.92 1640.08 1641.77 Seven pages ? Oh . 1641.64 1641.77 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1646.576 1649.205 1646.6 1649.09 I mean 'cause it I mean a lot of it's gonna be the same thing . 1649.09 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1648.976 1652.054 1649.0 1652.01 Yeah . Just a fine-tuned or detailed and yeah . 1649.78 1652.01 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1650.42 1650.979 1650.51 1650.91 True . 1650.91 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1651.76 1658.224 1651.78 1658.224 Yeah . And then I mean write about the evala evaluation and stuff . That's gonna be quite a few pages . But 1652.29 1656.33 1658.0 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1653.102 1653.634 1653.15 1653.59 More stuff . 1653.59 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1655.847 1656.82 1655.9 1656.76 Yeah , we can n 1656.19 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1657.152 1660.224 1657.17 1660.13 Yeah , that could be yeah , that could easily be five or six pages . 1657.48 1658.41 1660.13 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1659.13 1661.152 1659.15 1661.12 So I don't think - EN2002d B FEO072 1 1662.352 1663.085 1662.37 1662.99 Yeah , should be good . 1662.55 1662.99 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1662.457 1664.812 1662.61 1664.73 page is gonna be problem . 1664.73 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1666.208 1666.672 1666.26 1666.62 Okay . 1666.62 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1666.8 1667.227 1666.82 1667.227 But uh - EN2002d B FEO072 1 1670.48 1673.328 1670.52 1673.26 So do you wanna write him an email then ? That'd be good . 1672.84 1673.26 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1672.512 1672.88 1672.53 1672.83 Sure . 1672.83 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1674.988 1675.862 1675.17 1675.862 Um - EN2002d B FEO072 1 1678.48 1683.148 1678.5 1682.96 And uh when I get home today , which will be before 1680.02 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1684.352 1684.992 1684.37 1684.96 um - EN2002d B FEO072 1 1686.192 1691.972 1686.22 1691.972 before half past six , I will make that file readable , writable , everything . 1687.61 1690.01 1690.58 1691.92 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1690.416 1693.07 1690.46 1693.07 Oh yeah , sure . Yeah , no no big rush . 1690.78 1691.43 1691.74 1692.62 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1693.041 1695.17 1693.18 1695.17 Uh-uh . Well I I will 1694.04 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1694.992 1699.559 1695.01 1699.52 Although just to get it out of the way . So I'll try and remember to do that to my own s 1696.04 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1699.04 1706.032 1699.06 1706.0 Well I will I will need your snippets of code or it'd be good if I had them by tomorrow evening . 1706.0 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1704.227 1704.635 1704.28 1704.54 Yeah . 1704.54 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1706.368 1706.73 1706.39 1706.63 Yeah . 1706.63 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1708.192 1708.524 1708.21 1708.4 Yep . 1708.4 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1709.282 1711.088 1709.35 1711.05 Oh , I was gonna ask um 1709.55 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1712.803 1714.441 1712.89 1714.34 at the moment your search window , 1714.34 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1715.632 1716.624 1715.65 1716.57 how is it organised ? 1716.57 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1717.264 1725.88 1717.32 1725.65 Just basic um pretty much like the interim do you wanna do you have the interim stuff ? Just um sorta like Google type thing and just um Oh . 1722.01 1725.65 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1724.756 1734.042 1725.07 1733.95 But at the beginning , it when you haven't searched yet , is it is it just is it still divided into two and the bottom half is just just empty ? Okay . 1726.34 1728.09 1733.57 1733.95 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1731.548 1733.03 1731.59 1732.88 Yeah . Yeah . 1732.66 1732.88 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1735.039 1737.783 1735.17 1737.64 Then as these come up it'll just pop 'em in there . 1737.64 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1738.8 1741.818 1738.82 1741.818 And then if you , I don't know , double-click on one 1740.38 1740.75 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1742.257 1750.788 1742.33 1750.73 It doesn't do anything yet . S like that's that's the other big part . I mean how to get that that communication between the two different kinds of windows . 1744.29 1747.44 1750.73 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1744.56 1744.977 1744.58 1744.86 Okay . 1744.86 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1754.256 1754.757 1754.3 1754.62 Yeah . 1754.62 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1754.592 1764.939 1754.61 1764.939 Because the thing is if we have different things in here , like transcripts versus summaries versus topics , um that was why it was sorta deciding to get the three panes in there instead of just the one . Um 1756.3 1759.46 1764.41 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1758.848 1759.665 1758.87 1759.63 Yeah yeah yeah . 1759.63 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1760.608 1760.896 1760.63 1760.86 Hmm . 1760.86 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1766.919 1775.841 1766.99 1775.841 Yeah , so so there's a couple of those little things as we Yeah , exact It's beautiful . Yeah , m M_ makes more sense . 1767.34 1770.66 1773.47 1773.65 1775.29 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1767.974 1773.911 1768.02 1773.911 Well y y this this is the icon by the way . 1773.81 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1770.63 1771.287 1770.74 1771.1 Hmm . 1771.1 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1775.568 1784.56 1775.59 1784.51 Um , yeah , maybe you wanna do um left-handed um yeah , one left-click um highlights the the result in whatever you've got open . 1776.97 1777.15 1779.7 1784.51 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1784.688 1792.19 1784.84 1792.19 Okay . Is that how it works in the other ones ? In like the other windows like the various like um if we're in the topic . Or 1785.74 1787.79 1791.83 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1788.032 1788.568 1788.05 1788.47 Which other ones ? 1788.47 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1789.36 1798.532 1789.69 1798.47 Um yeah . Usually one left click , it's highlights it cross-highlights everything , I think . Yeah . 1791.85 1793.68 1796.57 1798.12 1798.47 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1798.977 1810.664 1799.27 1810.51 If you have like a particular w window that you want me to mimic its behaviour , then like just find it in the programme and just say , okay , just how this one does it . So if it's like the topic window or the whatever . 1804.2 1806.13 1806.55 1808.25 1810.51 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1810.032 1811.856 1810.08 1811.856 Mm well it's difficult , because 1811.29 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1816.608 1822.72 1816.63 1822.72 So then I can just sorta trace back and figure out what objects they are and bring 'em into here . So 1822.41 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1816.773 1817.671 1816.79 1817.671 Well you could look up - EN2002d B FEO072 1 1823.44 1828.007 1823.47 1827.97 Mm no , that's difficult . Because it the transcription window does cross-highlighting . 1823.97 1825.33 1827.97 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1829.129 1836.112 1829.24 1836.112 In a very awkward way , because it has to find the topic first . That was that was a pain . 1831.11 1832.9 1835.84 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1830.832 1831.245 1830.85 1831.1 Hmm . 1831.1 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1832.8 1833.154 1832.82 1833.09 Okay . 1833.09 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1837.344 1853.664 1837.44 1853.63 And um when you when you g um right-click on a topic , it pops open the list of meetings that contain that pop po topic . And um and that works when you when you left-double-click on a topic oh , on a meeting , sorry , then it loads it . 1841.95 1846.82 1852.08 1852.51 1852.91 1853.63 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1854.256 1854.81 1854.42 1854.67 Okay . 1854.67 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1854.672 1855.344 1854.7 1855.3 So you could - EN2002d B FEO072 1 1856.432 1857.728 1856.45 1857.69 you could take that for loading . 1857.69 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1858.064 1858.32 1858.1 1858.27 Right . 1858.27 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1859.68 1865.28 1859.71 1865.25 So if we have that um the same on this one , at least that you if you double-left-lick , then it loads . 1862.39 1864.61 1865.25 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1867.136 1867.758 1867.23 1867.61 Okay . 1867.61 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1872.359 1872.817 1872.39 1872.7 Mm . 1872.7 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1874.752 1875.28 1874.78 1875.24 Mm . 1875.24 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1875.737 1878.872 1875.81 1878.63 So one left click just highlights Is that ? 1878.63 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1878.048 1885.504 1878.47 1885.504 Highlights um yeah . I mean a hi obviously highlights whatever you've clicked on here , but also highlights um 1879.94 1883.79 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1882.976 1884.139 1883.0 1884.139 Oh just the item in - EN2002d D MEE073 3 1885.68 1887.104 1885.7 1886.95 The transcript or whatever it is . 1886.95 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1888.464 1889.696 1888.48 1889.696 Actually it's difficult , because 1889.21 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1888.81 1889.145 1888.86 1889.145 The - EN2002d A FEO070 0 1893.072 1894.059 1893.09 1893.97 Can I have it ? 1893.97 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1893.833 1895.614 1893.92 1895.614 If even if we could just - EN2002d B FEO072 1 1894.818 1903.441 1894.84 1903.33 Because you n you don't you only ever have one meeting open and those results will be op I well I suppose if you have a if you have a local search , then it could cross-highlight . 1902.31 1903.33 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1895.049 1896.122 1895.11 1896.05 Well , the one meeting . 1895.28 1896.05 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1905.696 1907.888 1905.72 1907.85 Yeah . That should be possible . 1906.94 1907.85 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1909.296 1915.168 1909.32 1915.06 Because you know , if you get back several different meetings here and you've only got one meeting open , then you can't cross out anything . 1909.85 1913.64 1915.06 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1909.481 1909.817 1909.61 1909.76 Right . 1909.76 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1912.112 1912.557 1912.21 1912.42 Oh yeah . 1912.42 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1915.484 1964.779 1915.5 1964.62 Although , yeah , this this will uh this is actually different from how we print it up here . Like if we're doing a global search , then we are gonna do it like how we said before and pop up a list of the various meetings that found those terms . And then we'll either , you know , multi-select or , you know , choose the one we wanna actually do this wi I think multi-select would make the most sense . Well just um if there's like three of the top meetings , like like we said before , language , we're looking for the l word language and get the highest-rated ones . To actually look for the terms we're not loading it on a val of seventy six I mean or seventy five , whatever it is . Um so the r the results from that will , you know , narrow down what we're gonna use for the local search . Then we'll just do the local search on those ones that are chosen . And if we can yeah . So it it will be a bit different from from how that is right now when when we do the global search at least . Yep . 1915.93 1916.19 1919.44 1920.57 1926.23 1927.09 1927.23 1928.54 1928.99 1933.37 1936.16 1937.27 1937.73 1940.86 1945.24 1946.15 1949.75 1950.24 1953.08 1955.71 1958.21 1963.72 1964.62 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1926.441 1926.915 1926.51 1926.86 Okay . 1926.86 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1932.611 1934.016 1932.67 1933.95 What do you mean by multi-select ? 1933.95 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1944.454 1945.645 1944.55 1945.61 Mm-hmm . Oh , okay . 1945.06 1945.11 1945.61 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1956.608 1958.176 1956.63 1958.13 Oh , I see what you mean , yeah . Okay . 1956.9 1957.5 1957.8 1958.13 EN2002d B FEO072 1 1962.768 1974.425 1962.79 1974.425 Well i i i in any case , if you left-click on on a result that is contained in the meeting that is currently open , then it should cross-highlight . If not , it can't . So 1965.04 1971.52 1972.95 1973.35 1974.1 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1972.464 1975.264 1972.54 1975.08 Yes , yes . Exactly , yep . 1973.04 1974.07 1974.79 1975.08 EN2002d D MEE073 3 1985.312 1985.646 1985.35 1985.5 Okay . 1985.5 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1984.88 1994.132 1985.55 1993.95 Um it should be fairly simple to just get the topics and the summaries fro using that text extractor thingy you wrote , Ray . 1993.68 1993.95 EN2002d C MEE071 2 1994.815 2001.472 1994.96 2001.42 Yeah , you have to start again . It's just do topics instead of seg yeah , you have to get the topics out instead of the segments . Uh yeah . 1995.83 1996.55 1998.62 2000.97 2001.42 EN2002d A FEO070 0 1996.244 1997.999 1996.31 1997.94 You just like or - EN2002d A FEO070 0 2000.64 2001.009 2000.66 2000.93 Yeah . 2000.93 EN2002d A FEO070 0 2003.04 2007.479 2003.07 2007.38 Excuse me . I just realised I haven't done that part yet . 2004.35 2007.38 EN2002d D MEE073 3 2004.24 2004.752 2004.26 2004.71 Hmm . 2004.71 EN2002d B FEO072 1 2006.088 2006.778 2006.17 2006.778 Can you make - EN2002d B FEO072 1 2007.76 2014.96 2007.81 2014.93 Is it d very difficult to make another another GUI , but only for a global search ? 2012.22 2014.93 EN2002d D MEE073 3 2016.656 2019.598 2016.656 2019.598 Um so that we search two different - EN2002d B FEO072 1 2019.28 2026.576 2019.3 2026.5 Just just take that away , the the local check-box . Because um hmm ? 2021.21 2024.9 2026.5 EN2002d D MEE073 3 2021.46 2026.347 2021.55 2026.347 Right . Yeah . That's actually fairly 2022.78 2024.22 EN2002d A FEO070 0 2024.64 2028.231 2024.66 2028.2 To have for the start-up . Oh . To have for the start-up . Uh-huh . 2025.69 2026.81 2027.85 2028.2 EN2002d B FEO072 1 2027.616 2029.792 2027.72 2029.792 Yeah , because in the start-up screen you can't have a 2028.04 EN2002d D MEE073 3 2030.124 2036.054 2030.17 2035.97 You know , local anyways , yeah . No , that's easy . Sure , yep . That's that's quite t straight-forward . 2030.34 2031.13 2031.43 2031.61 2032.27 2032.86 2033.93 2035.97 EN2002d B FEO072 1 2032.288 2041.4 2032.31 2041.34 Yeah , would you make that ? That'd be really handy . Everything else can just stay the same , you know . In fact you can just leave everything as it is and just remove the check-box . 2032.6 2033.42 2035.75 2037.34 2037.98 2041.34 EN2002d D MEE073 3 2037.756 2038.121 2037.78 2037.97 Yeah . 2037.97 EN2002d D MEE073 3 2041.589 2042.588 2041.69 2042.588 Mm-hmm . 2042.17 EN2002d B FEO072 1 2045.718 2049.493 2045.84 2049.493 Radio button . 2049.34 EN2002d D MEE073 3 2046.672 2049.915 2046.69 2049.915 Yeah . 2049.42 EN2002d C MEE071 2 2049.128 2051.76 2049.2 2051.72 To you're gonna be able to do a global search for topics ? 2051.72 EN2002d A FEO070 0 2054.121 2059.326 2054.38 2059.326 Yeah g uh that was li like yeah , if I'll make a just index 2056.74 EN2002d C MEE071 2 2055.664 2067.84 2055.69 2067.84 Is that what you mean , yeah ? Yeah . Okay . Yeah , yeah . Okay . Yeah , I didn't think you'd bother with that , but yeah , cool . I didn't think we're gonna bother with that . But yeah . Yeah , it does , isn't it . Yeah . 2056.36 2057.67 2059.02 2059.65 2059.86 2060.35 2060.74 2060.92 2061.84 2062.18 2062.64 2064.45 2066.25 2066.47 2066.81 2067.26 2067.54 EN2002d D MEE073 3 2056.966 2059.047 2057.1 2058.94 Yeah . Exactly . 2058.45 2058.94 EN2002d A FEO070 0 2062.564 2062.947 2062.62 2062.8 What ? 2062.8 EN2002d D MEE073 3 2064.743 2067.346 2064.89 2067.346 Well it it kinda makes sense . It would be kinda cool 2066.36 EN2002d A FEO070 0 2064.911 2071.274 2065.07 2071.274 Well I I mean I I'm f it's not first priority maybe , but don't know . But uh 2069.05 2070.68 EN2002d D MEE073 3 2068.992 2080.84 2069.01 2080.84 Actually , are we bothering with our topic stuff still ? Or is that sorta gone like our own topic segment . Like since we can't do the labelling and all the rest . We are still doing our topic segment ? Well you are you are , I guess . 2069.66 2073.1 2075.11 2077.6 2079.15 2080.13 2080.53 EN2002d C MEE071 2 2069.505 2069.995 2069.6 2069.89 Yeah . 2069.89 EN2002d C MEE071 2 2072.864 2073.496 2072.88 2073.496 What ? With 2073.15 EN2002d C MEE071 2 2079.168 2084.544 2079.19 2084.41 Well we'll certainly do it enough to make it so we can do some numerical analysis on the Yeah , but at at the very least . 2083.29 2084.41 EN2002d D MEE073 3 2082.445 2099.964 2082.49 2099.61 Okay . But we're not gonna be we won't be l doing a global search on the topics for our topics , since they don't have labels . Probably ? Okay . La label all the label ones I'll open 'em . Yeah , all the label twos , yeah . I don't know . Okay . Mm . 2083.16 2088.77 2090.97 2091.32 2092.33 2094.91 2095.06 2096.04 2096.74 2097.4 2099.51 2099.61 EN2002d B FEO072 1 2083.083 2083.493 2083.18 2083.42 Mm . 2083.42 EN2002d C MEE071 2 2090.608 2107.163 2090.608 2107.163 No . Exactly . Yeah . Uh yeah . No , we won't be doing that . Well yeah , even if even if I happen to manage to make it decent keywords , I don't think we can expect you to also come up with the search thing for it as well . So 2092.46 2094.08 2096.43 2098.21 2098.35 2099.34 2099.81 2103.4 2107.05 EN2002d A FEO070 0 2091.453 2095.677 2091.51 2095.677 Yeah . 2094.29 EN2002d D MEE073 3 2105.703 2110.925 2105.77 2110.925 Yeah , okay . Yeah , okay . Well no , it will be kind of straight-forward . Like if you're creating if you're creating X_M_L_ files of this 2105.99 2106.42 2106.65 2107.01 2107.31 2108.71 EN2002d C MEE071 2 2108.667 2130.496 2108.77 2130.44 Would , yeah . But if I collate yeah . Yeah , if I create X_M_L_ files , but if I m I'm not gonna do that . Um I did have a look at trying to create X_M_L_ files . It did look like a quite a a mission really . I suppose it's not it's it's as straightforward as writing in X_M_L_ files . But it's but it's organising the segment data though . It would just looks so complicated to get it from 2109.11 2109.98 2111.83 2112.06 2113.06 2115.07 2119.93 2122.0 2125.31 2127.81 EN2002d D MEE073 3 2114.263 2114.687 2114.3 2114.61 Yeah . 2114.61 EN2002d C MEE071 2 2131.968 2148.272 2132.03 2148.272 the um from a plain text file back into organise it by who which speaker speaks what and how n doing the segment I think that was the stupidest way they could ever have organised the whole thing if you ask me . But Organise it by time not by speaker . But yeah . But 2142.88 2145.89 2147.71 EN2002d A FEO070 0 2134.976 2135.452 2135.0 2135.39 Yeah . 2135.39 EN2002d D MEE073 3 2135.344 2135.861 2135.36 2135.62 Hmm . 2135.62 EN2002d D MEE073 3 2147.152 2147.47 2147.18 2147.38 Hmm . 2147.38 EN2002d C MEE071 2 2149.568 2152.048 2149.59 2152.01 So I don't know really what we're gonna do about that . 2152.01 EN2002d B FEO072 1 2159.232 2159.665 2159.25 2159.61 Okay . 2159.61 EN2002d A FEO070 0 2160.512 2163.664 2160.53 2163.63 Yeah . Yeah . I guess we just 2161.7 2162.8 EN2002d B FEO072 1 2160.848 2161.28 2160.87 2161.24 Are we done ? 2161.24 EN2002d A FEO070 0 2164.8 2172.064 2164.82 2172.03 see what Steve says about the re-evaluation and then like we'll keep in touch by email if we need - EN2002d D MEE073 3 2166.343 2166.693 2166.41 2166.59 Yeah . 2166.59 EN2002d D MEE073 3 2169.376 2169.888 2169.43 2169.7 Yep . 2169.7 EN2002d D MEE073 3 2172.903 2173.26 2172.96 2173.14 Right . 2173.14 EN2002d A FEO070 0 2173.328 2175.625 2173.35 2175.55 anything . I guess we will see you on Thursday . 2174.1 2175.55 EN2002d D MEE073 3 2175.856 2177.216 2175.856 2177.17 Mm . 2177.17 EN2002d A FEO070 0 2177.872 2178.539 2177.89 2178.49 And Monday . 2178.49 EN2002d D MEE073 3 2179.232 2180.19 2179.27 2180.19 Mm-hmm . 2180.12 EN2002d A FEO070 0 2179.872 2180.487 2179.89 2180.45 D_N_L_G_ . 2180.45 EN2002d C MEE071 2 2180.964 2183.776 2181.05 2183.66 Yeah , we don't . Do we need another meeting this week ? 2181.36 2181.69 2183.66 EN2002d D MEE073 3 2183.635 2189.945 2183.72 2189.84 Hmm . Probably not . I mean just get work done . I think that's what I've gotta do . 2184.35 2184.98 2187.91 2189.84 EN2002d A FEO070 0 2190.048 2192.511 2190.12 2192.511 We can just email if we need other - EN2002d C MEE071 2 2190.32 2190.787 2190.35 2190.67 Mm . 2190.67 EN2002d D MEE073 3 2192.16 2192.577 2192.18 2192.42 Yeah . 2192.42 EN2002d C MEE071 2 2192.624 2193.1 2192.66 2192.96 Mm . 2192.96 EN2002d B FEO072 1 2193.6 2194.016 2193.62 2193.98 Hmm . 2193.98 EN2002d A FEO070 0 2195.872 2196.672 2195.89 2196.64 I guess . 2196.64 EN2002d B FEO072 1 2201.667 2202.349 2201.8 2202.21 Okay . 2202.21 EN2002d A FEO070 0 2202.816 2204.144 2202.816 2204.03 Hooray . 2204.03 EN2002d A FEO070 0 2207.392 2208.224 2207.62 2207.85 Okay . 2207.85 EN2003a C MEO074 3 14.345 16.816 14.41 16.36 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 15.92 16.36 EN2003a A MEE075 0 16.736 23.952 16.76 23.57 Can you just remind me , I don't have to tick the no n okay thing until I finish writing , but it's only if I go back to it I tick okay again . 17.62 21.0 23.57 EN2003a C MEO074 3 21.158 21.765 21.32 21.61 Yeah . 21.61 EN2003a A MEE075 0 25.2 25.936 25.24 25.49 Mm . 25.49 EN2003a A MEE075 0 26.992 27.264 27.06 27.23 Yep . 27.23 EN2003a B MEE076 1 27.84 32.72 27.88 32.56 So if you've um if you're back to a page , then you tick it again to leave it for the second time . 30.6 32.56 EN2003a A MEE075 0 42.428 56.981 42.5 56.77 So if I'm working o if I've done a page , I'm on the second page , I tick it so um I finish that page and I go back to this , I can just write and then not tick until I finish writing again . Yeah , so it's always after , n you never have to it before . Fine . Fine . 45.29 46.28 49.1 52.75 52.97 53.84 55.31 56.61 56.77 EN2003a C MEO074 3 42.624 43.183 42.7 43.04 Mm-hmm . 43.04 EN2003a C MEO074 3 54.324 54.8 54.46 54.65 Yeah . 54.65 EN2003a C MEO074 3 63.62 64.244 63.75 64.12 Okay . 64.12 EN2003a B MEE076 1 63.812 66.39 64.0 65.84 I don't believe all this stuff . It's just amazing . 65.04 65.84 EN2003a A MEE075 0 69.231 70.896 69.32 70.81 And you can go on both sides as well . 70.81 EN2003a A MEE075 0 73.237 74.112 73.237 73.93 Okay . 73.93 EN2003a C MEO074 3 74.269 79.845 74.37 79.73 Yeah , right . Where should we start ? What have we got ? 74.78 76.51 79.06 79.73 EN2003a A MEE075 0 78.144 79.344 78.16 79.344 Well , I think the first thing is 78.38 EN2003a A MEE075 0 80.704 104.96 80.87 104.96 Well , the first thing I think is we need to uh sort out the call for abstracts or the c the call for titles , because I think that's kind of overdue . Yeah ? Um so I volunteer to do that if you like . Um uh okay . So 81.47 88.45 91.5 93.49 100.19 104.12 EN2003a C MEO074 3 87.84 88.37 87.88 88.26 Mm-hmm . 88.26 EN2003a B MEE076 1 88.714 89.329 88.79 89.15 Mm-hmm . 89.15 EN2003a B MEE076 1 91.152 91.568 91.21 91.51 Right . 91.51 EN2003a B MEE076 1 100.256 102.336 100.28 102.336 Fine . Yep . 100.68 102.12 EN2003a C MEO074 3 100.214 101.079 100.31 100.96 Yeah , right . 100.66 100.96 EN2003a A MEE075 0 107.392 108.376 107.392 108.31 And I'll do that - EN2003a A MEE075 0 110.192 115.312 110.21 115.17 by Trying to think , what is it Thursday today , I'll d I'll do that by the end of the week anyway . 112.23 113.17 115.17 EN2003a A MEE075 0 117.68 118.272 118.11 118.272 So - EN2003a B MEE076 1 118.528 130.57 118.6 130.53 And um you're gonna was it your idea to stick the bit in it where you say um uh , you know , you're we're inviting like from quite a wide audience we give priority to linguists ? 125.12 125.42 130.53 EN2003a C MEO074 3 129.369 129.809 129.49 129.71 Mm-hmm . 129.71 EN2003a A MEE075 0 130.288 160.64 130.31 160.58 Yeah , we're gonna do that , but I think we should s probably send out um separate calls , okay . So we'll send one , but weren't men I mean we could mention the fact that we're inviting other people , but I think it will probably just uh I mean it probably won't matter too much to the other linguists that we're having other people there . We can mention it , but it's not gonna be too essential and uh we might actually just end up making them worry that , you know , they're gonna lose their place or whatever , because uh I don't know . 130.89 131.66 137.5 137.85 138.83 142.44 148.89 149.85 156.97 157.5 159.36 160.58 EN2003a B MEE076 1 149.88 150.52 150.0 150.43 Mm-hmm . 150.43 EN2003a B MEE076 1 159.456 160.116 159.48 159.88 Mm-hmm . 159.88 EN2003a C MEO074 3 159.765 163.174 159.81 163.174 Yeah , yeah . I thi separate course is good idea . That's 160.24 160.69 162.66 EN2003a A MEE075 0 162.672 169.138 162.69 169.04 But we do we do have to decide a priority thing , so that's something else we can look at um a little bit 165.26 EN2003a A MEE075 0 171.056 179.648 171.08 179.44 later down the line . So so that's the one for ling basically and I'll send that out . 173.26 179.44 EN2003a C MEO074 3 172.822 173.305 172.87 173.2 Mm-hmm . 173.2 EN2003a A MEE075 0 185.04 186.368 185.08 186.32 I'll do that today or tomorrow . 186.32 EN2003a A MEE075 0 189.072 196.329 189.09 196.329 Um now Claire , that's the other thing , she can deal with the Psychology . Um 191.91 192.77 195.82 EN2003a A MEE075 0 198.896 208.56 199.11 208.5 Psychology people , probably that's I reckon it's the best thing to do . 'Cause she'll know which email address to use and and everything else . So um 200.02 202.79 207.05 EN2003a C MEO074 3 205.536 206.052 205.61 205.89 Mm-hmm . 205.89 EN2003a B MEE076 1 205.973 206.63 206.06 206.51 Mm-hmm . 206.51 EN2003a A MEE075 0 209.696 211.568 209.72 211.52 if one of us could email Claire . 211.52 EN2003a C MEO074 3 212.272 212.666 212.3 212.56 Mm yeah . 212.56 EN2003a B MEE076 1 214.208 220.115 214.49 220.115 Is it was that a volunteering yeah , or great . 217.0 219.92 EN2003a A MEE075 0 218.0 219.299 218.11 219.299 Okay , yeah , so if Robert 218.41 218.57 EN2003a C MEO074 3 218.094 220.016 218.19 219.92 Yeah . Yeah , when in doubt . 219.07 219.33 219.92 EN2003a A MEE075 0 220.528 230.288 220.55 230.288 So i if Robert emails Claire and we're n gonna need to decide exactly what she's gonna say on there . Um 229.3 EN2003a C MEO074 3 231.312 231.681 231.34 231.59 Mm-hmm . 231.59 EN2003a A MEE075 0 231.536 238.144 231.56 238.08 we might need to just remind her of the dates in case she doesn't know , so she gets the dates right . 236.82 238.08 EN2003a B MEE076 1 236.24 236.688 236.26 236.6 Yeah . 236.6 EN2003a A MEE075 0 239.312 240.048 239.37 240.048 Um - EN2003a A MEE075 0 246.528 254.633 246.55 254.53 And uh um she's I know she already knows that it's just anyone doing psycho-linguistics basically . So that's fine . 253.66 254.53 EN2003a C MEO074 3 251.792 252.298 251.87 252.16 Mm-hmm . 252.16 EN2003a B MEE076 1 255.094 260.956 255.26 260.82 And that should kinda take care of itself as well . If she just sends one round around to everyone , then only the psycho-linguists will say what was for me . 257.0 258.62 260.82 EN2003a C MEO074 3 259.59 260.064 259.7 259.94 Yeah . 259.94 EN2003a A MEE075 0 261.2 262.768 261.23 262.7 Yeah , exactly . Exactly . 261.38 262.37 262.7 EN2003a A MEE075 0 263.984 265.024 264.01 265.024 Um - EN2003a A MEE075 0 266.528 270.336 266.528 270.336 But then there's the rest of P_P_L_S_ and I think we need to decide whether - EN2003a C MEO074 3 269.611 278.417 269.67 278.417 Right . But the the text for the actual call , is she going to re-work something or uh she should 270.28 273.74 EN2003a A MEE075 0 277.232 280.144 277.232 280.06 I think she should just I think she should just write her own . 280.06 EN2003a C MEO074 3 280.864 281.312 280.91 281.25 Mm-hmm . 281.25 EN2003a A MEE075 0 281.76 283.568 281.78 283.568 Probably . And 282.69 EN2003a C MEO074 3 283.824 291.53 283.88 291.45 I think she might be glad to see kinda there linguistics to adapt . That's always quite helpful . 290.38 291.45 EN2003a A MEE075 0 289.248 300.64 289.27 300.64 Okay . So what we'll do I mean the thing is the the main call will go out before she's got round to it anyway . So what I'll do is I'll copy it . I'll C_C_ her on the um 289.64 296.07 297.68 EN2003a C MEO074 3 293.488 293.972 293.51 293.82 Mm-hmm . 293.82 EN2003a C MEO074 3 296.25 296.732 296.42 296.62 Yep . 296.62 EN2003a B MEE076 1 298.992 299.606 299.09 299.47 Mm . 299.47 EN2003a B MEE076 1 300.976 304.016 301.02 304.016 I mean 'cause I can't imagine there'd be an essential difference really between the - EN2003a A MEE075 0 303.4 328.873 304.03 328.67 No , they won't be . I just th the only thing I'm thinking is I want to make sure that it stands out as something applicable to them , that they don't go oh , we're just getting rubbish from y you know what I mean . I want them to really know that it's addressed to them . Um and the good thing about Claire sending it is she's probably got a psych email address as well and it it might look a bit more relevant to them . 304.22 304.7 312.29 313.19 317.75 320.68 328.67 EN2003a B MEE076 1 315.264 315.974 315.33 315.8 Right , yeah . 315.6 315.8 EN2003a C MEO074 3 315.514 316.886 315.67 316.78 Yeah . Yeah . 316.31 316.78 EN2003a C MEO074 3 321.584 321.856 321.66 321.77 Ab - EN2003a B MEE076 1 325.984 326.539 326.01 326.42 Mm-hmm . 326.42 EN2003a C MEO074 3 328.64 332.01 328.64 331.9 Not certain anyway . They know her . That's that thing . 330.26 331.38 331.9 EN2003a A MEE075 0 330.254 342.928 330.254 342.89 Yeah , exactly . They know her , et cetera . Um so yeah , so if if we've s if I've C_C_ed the original one , then you can tell her that that can be the basis for 331.38 331.82 332.32 333.83 337.33 340.17 EN2003a C MEO074 3 341.2 341.665 341.27 341.53 Mm-hmm . 341.53 EN2003a A MEE075 0 344.0 350.33 344.04 350.06 um the basis for her email , but just make sure that they know it's relevant to them , et cetera . . 346.07 348.55 350.06 350.06 EN2003a C MEO074 3 345.961 346.427 345.99 346.3 Mm-hmm . 346.3 EN2003a A MEE075 0 353.344 358.617 353.36 358.54 Um and obviously in P_P_L_S_ we've also got English language . Now 358.13 EN2003a A MEE075 0 360.112 417.761 360.13 417.72 in a way we could send out that first call to them , just as part of the same email , because I think they're more likely to think it was relevant to them . I don't really know . I don't really know what you think about that . But um I think we definitely should open it up to English language . Um I think particularly at the moment , 'cause they're really trying to sort of uh merge us into one subject area , even though it should be meaningless , because we're all part of a school , I think that it does actually make a difference . And so I think we should invite them , but then we've still got the problem of uh a priority issue . So , you know , probably what I was thinking is um certainly second and third-years absolutely need to be uh top on top priority . But then there's a kind of awkward question of where we put first-years , because they don't need to . If they want to , should they have priority ? 364.24 365.9 370.77 371.49 373.28 377.57 380.39 385.98 387.41 388.52 390.41 393.59 398.49 399.2 399.6 411.36 414.32 415.39 416.37 417.72 EN2003a B MEE076 1 371.999 372.597 372.07 372.49 Mm-hmm . 372.49 EN2003a C MEO074 3 382.08 382.608 382.1 382.39 Yeah . 382.39 EN2003a B MEE076 1 385.872 386.471 385.91 386.34 Mm-hmm . 386.34 EN2003a C MEO074 3 409.776 410.212 409.8 410.11 Mm-hmm . 410.11 EN2003a B MEE076 1 418.976 419.601 419.02 419.38 Mm . 419.38 EN2003a A MEE075 0 419.182 425.328 419.4 425.29 This is a kind of lower point but uh it kind of it crosses over with deciding - EN2003a A MEE075 0 426.64 428.032 426.67 428.032 what we're gonna do when we uh - EN2003a B MEE076 1 430.08 435.403 430.52 435.26 Well do we have um a d an idea of how many people were gonna - EN2003a B MEE076 1 436.864 449.99 436.88 449.89 actually have at the whole thing ? Any kind of because then it because seems to me it could be quite obvious . Then we just subtract the number of second and third year students and then everything else is just I'd I would favour doing it just on a first come first serve basis . 439.18 442.29 449.89 EN2003a A MEE075 0 439.249 440.962 439.249 440.962 Well - EN2003a C MEO074 3 441.781 443.599 441.83 443.49 I don't think so . 443.49 EN2003a A MEE075 0 443.598 444.463 443.7 444.25 Yeah , yeah . 444.03 444.25 EN2003a C MEO074 3 444.64 445.171 444.66 445.06 Yeah . 445.06 EN2003a C MEO074 3 446.618 447.217 446.68 447.13 Yeah . 447.13 EN2003a C MEO074 3 449.42 449.904 449.49 449.84 Yeah . 449.84 EN2003a A MEE075 0 450.976 451.542 451.09 451.46 Okay . 451.46 EN2003a C MEO074 3 452.448 457.922 452.52 457.922 I w well let's send out the call as soon as possible , see what reactions we get . And then 455.84 457.26 EN2003a A MEE075 0 457.684 458.275 457.81 458.2 Okay . 458.2 EN2003a B MEE076 1 458.912 465.872 459.07 465.72 But I mean if we're like so , mean , we were gonna do this thing for um I can't even remember , was it two or three days ? 460.68 461.48 464.59 465.72 EN2003a C MEO074 3 459.804 462.075 459.88 461.97 See if we have to put on some restraints . 461.97 EN2003a A MEE075 0 466.32 468.0 466.32 467.92 It's three days . 467.92 EN2003a B MEE076 1 467.92 472.544 467.94 472.47 Okay . And so how many how many posters and talks are we gonna actually gonna get in ? 468.32 472.47 EN2003a A MEE075 0 470.064 488.832 470.064 488.7 Right . The uh uh they were twenty twenty minute talks with ten minute uh question time , okay . And you can run two in a row , but probably not up to three . Two what do you think , two in a row or three in a row ? 471.74 478.57 479.16 482.85 485.99 487.44 488.7 EN2003a C MEO074 3 473.403 474.359 473.46 474.15 Let's see . 474.15 EN2003a B MEE076 1 478.309 478.891 478.37 478.77 Mm-hmm . 478.77 EN2003a C MEO074 3 479.024 480.24 479.08 480.08 Mm . 480.08 EN2003a C MEO074 3 483.296 487.272 483.296 487.16 Up to three , but don't exaggerate , yeah . 484.14 486.8 487.16 EN2003a B MEE076 1 489.712 491.441 489.73 491.36 If you do two in a row then that's an hour , isn't it ? 491.0 491.36 EN2003a A MEE075 0 491.868 492.301 491.96 492.2 Mm-hmm . 492.2 EN2003a C MEO074 3 492.012 492.677 492.04 492.63 Yeah . 492.63 EN2003a B MEE076 1 492.512 493.12 492.53 493.09 Um - EN2003a B MEE076 1 494.336 496.032 494.36 496.0 and then give it a twenty minute break perhaps . 496.0 EN2003a A MEE075 0 496.688 507.504 496.688 507.45 Yeah . I mean the thing is every time we have a break , there's a question of whether we actually serve coffee and biscuits and things , because that's the kinda normal thing to do . 498.34 500.3 504.52 507.45 EN2003a B MEE076 1 497.04 497.989 497.06 497.989 Or - EN2003a C MEO074 3 498.132 498.863 498.24 498.73 Mm . 498.73 EN2003a C MEO074 3 501.168 501.696 501.23 501.64 Yeah . 501.64 EN2003a C MEO074 3 506.016 509.984 506.25 509.984 I'm thinking if we go for say - EN2003a C MEO074 3 513.14 523.456 513.34 523.28 I'm thinking uh slots of one and a half hour each . So three lectures each , that would be uh three per day times three will be twenty seven . 515.65 518.07 523.28 EN2003a A MEE075 0 523.968 532.269 523.968 532.12 So are you saying have , say , three sessions in a row and then do that twice in the morning and twice in the afternoon ? So that'd be six hours . 525.51 526.2 530.97 532.12 EN2003a C MEO074 3 527.269 527.809 527.32 527.7 Mm-hmm . 527.7 EN2003a C MEO074 3 531.127 533.089 531.21 532.99 Once in the morning , twice in the afternoon . 531.98 532.99 EN2003a A MEE075 0 535.216 537.168 535.24 537.13 Oh , so just have an hour and a half in the morning . 535.38 537.13 EN2003a C MEO074 3 537.088 540.44 537.11 540.39 Yeah . I mean or twice in the morning once in the afternoon . 537.92 540.39 EN2003a A MEE075 0 539.431 546.225 539.45 546.15 'Cause I mean would six hours a day be pushing it ? Not necessarily , because I mean the good think is n 543.71 544.48 EN2003a B MEE076 1 546.768 548.928 546.89 548.89 Would we get that many people wanting to give talks ? 548.89 EN2003a A MEE075 0 550.199 579.712 550.51 579.5 Well I suppose what we can do is think about the structure now and say right , what's the maximum we can do ? So I think that's about as much as we could do , to have an hour and a half , then have a coffee break , then have an hour and a half , then have lunch , hour and a half , coffee break , hour and a half . And so that would be eighteen hours of talks overall , wouldn't it ? But what do we say ? So it's th so it's twelve thirty six talks , is that right ? Maximum thirty six . 554.31 557.01 559.26 560.44 561.44 562.41 563.49 563.97 564.54 565.98 570.67 571.3 572.46 576.42 577.81 579.5 EN2003a B MEE076 1 556.096 556.747 556.2 556.53 Mm-hmm . 556.53 EN2003a C MEO074 3 572.24 572.731 572.34 572.62 Mm-hmm . 572.62 EN2003a C MEO074 3 576.144 576.602 576.18 576.51 Mm-hmm . 576.51 EN2003a B MEE076 1 577.024 577.57 577.12 577.42 Mm-hmm . 577.42 EN2003a A MEE075 0 581.715 583.552 581.74 583.552 Um - EN2003a A MEE075 0 584.64 586.064 584.67 585.93 Okay , let's just put this down . 584.97 585.93 EN2003a B MEE076 1 599.04 600.775 599.14 600.67 How many second and third year - EN2003a B MEE076 1 602.59 603.953 602.72 603.84 um students are there ? 603.84 EN2003a A MEE075 0 607.578 609.05 607.61 609.05 Uh - EN2003a A MEE075 0 610.796 622.672 610.796 622.64 Well I could look 'cause I I've got that there's the list , isn't there , of post-graduates I maintain in in linguistics . Um there are probably about thirty on there . 615.13 615.43 619.09 622.64 EN2003a B MEE076 1 622.944 623.843 623.04 623.72 Right , okay . 623.38 623.72 EN2003a A MEE075 0 625.552 642.88 625.57 642.85 Um but a good number of them are first-years , and I don't know I mean just to get an idea , are you planning on talking ? No . Are you planning , Robert ? And I'm probably not . So there's a good chance that almost none of the first-years are gonna volunteer . Um so 629.44 630.91 632.88 633.1 633.69 634.35 635.62 640.84 EN2003a B MEE076 1 632.416 632.768 632.44 632.68 No . 632.68 EN2003a C MEO074 3 633.666 634.208 633.7 634.06 No . 634.06 EN2003a B MEE076 1 639.441 640.04 639.52 639.87 Mm-hmm . 639.87 EN2003a A MEE075 0 645.2 668.464 645.22 668.43 if we had say twenty linguistics and even then , I mean there are quite a few people who are abroad and who won't bother to turn up or can't make it or whatever . So , you know , it might be that we only get say fifteen anyway , and then we could be left with uh fifteen blocks for um the rest of P_P_L_S_ . 649.48 655.74 656.56 656.75 659.66 668.43 EN2003a A MEE075 0 670.416 677.888 670.44 677.79 So at least we know that that we've got an absolute limit of about thirty-six talks , yeah ? 677.37 677.79 EN2003a B MEE076 1 677.038 677.603 677.1 677.43 Mm-hmm . 677.43 EN2003a A MEE075 0 681.024 682.208 681.46 682.208 Um - EN2003a C MEO074 3 685.315 686.672 685.41 686.672 Yeah . 686.57 EN2003a B MEE076 1 692.517 698.512 692.6 698.43 We're also gonna be having posters , aren't we . And I should imagine that most people would rather do a poster than give a talk . 694.04 694.65 698.43 EN2003a A MEE075 0 696.459 712.363 696.54 712.14 Yeah . Okay . And that's that's what uh the coffee breaks will be for , and maybe lunchtimes . But coffee breaks are probably more like ab or are gonna be a better time , because people will hang around , whereas people are more likely to go off somewhere for lunch , aren't they ? 697.85 698.75 702.28 703.56 707.19 709.57 711.83 712.14 EN2003a C MEO074 3 698.117 698.599 698.19 698.55 Mm-hmm . 698.55 EN2003a B MEE076 1 713.456 721.906 713.48 721.75 Uh yeah . But w wouldn't we want to actually just like dedicate an afternoon or a morning to being a poster session ? 714.61 721.75 EN2003a C MEO074 3 719.815 732.144 719.88 732.11 Yeah . Yeah . Yeah , that's what I was about to say , poster session is a good idea because just the people presenting the posters are there and can say something about it . Actually 720.67 721.9 722.53 724.12 731.51 EN2003a A MEE075 0 721.792 722.752 721.84 722.19 Okay . 722.19 EN2003a B MEE076 1 730.368 730.892 730.41 730.8 Mm . 730.8 EN2003a C MEO074 3 733.952 742.745 733.97 742.55 there's always the problem again then the people who are presenting the posters don't get around to go and look at others' posters . But let's see about that . 741.09 742.55 EN2003a B MEE076 1 739.936 755.088 740.02 754.98 Yeah yeah yeah . But um people kinda like generally sort of sort them out themsel that sort that out themselves . Um I mean it's the thing about posters , unless you kind of say , you know , if your name is in the first half of the alphabet you can move and the other ones can't . 741.96 747.33 749.56 750.49 751.56 754.98 EN2003a C MEO074 3 745.232 745.754 745.31 745.65 Mm-hmm . 745.65 EN2003a A MEE075 0 745.329 745.82 745.35 745.74 Mm . 745.74 EN2003a C MEO074 3 751.256 752.562 751.35 752.47 Mm-hmm . Yeah . 752.14 752.47 EN2003a A MEE075 0 755.008 762.64 755.008 762.64 So uh how long should a poster session be ? Like how long will people want to mill around for looking at 759.65 EN2003a B MEE076 1 762.441 764.81 762.54 764.75 I'd make it a whole morning or a whole afternoon . 764.75 EN2003a B MEE076 1 766.544 771.024 766.59 770.95 I mean the ju just because like ones that I've been to as well , um 770.25 EN2003a B MEE076 1 772.32 774.329 772.34 774.25 people tend to kinda come and go from them . 774.25 EN2003a B MEE076 1 775.344 776.048 775.36 776.048 Um - EN2003a C MEO074 3 776.784 777.216 776.82 777.15 Mm-hmm . 777.15 EN2003a B MEE076 1 778.528 786.561 778.55 786.43 I don't know , I mean I I I'd say a whole either a whole morning or a whole afternoon um at least . But that's just ju I mean just based on the ones that I've been to . 778.83 784.05 786.43 EN2003a A MEE075 0 783.287 783.902 783.36 783.67 Okay . 783.67 EN2003a A MEE075 0 786.912 789.872 787.19 789.82 So that means we could have thirty talks . 789.82 EN2003a A MEE075 0 791.76 792.544 791.84 792.46 Plus - EN2003a A MEE075 0 793.584 797.056 793.6 797.02 uh one A_M_ or P_M_ of posters . 797.02 EN2003a A MEE075 0 798.08 798.609 798.22 798.52 Yeah ? 798.52 EN2003a B MEE076 1 798.864 799.417 798.9 799.29 Mm-hmm . 799.29 EN2003a A MEE075 0 801.52 806.124 801.52 806.06 And we could probably get quite a few in there , at least six anyway . 804.94 806.06 EN2003a B MEE076 1 806.521 807.52 806.66 807.45 At least six . 807.45 EN2003a A MEE075 0 809.344 814.977 809.47 814.93 At least six posters , if you see what I mean . During the session , like how many can you have going on at once ? 810.85 811.71 812.44 814.93 EN2003a B MEE076 1 811.136 812.394 811.16 812.29 Oh right . Okay , yeah , yeah . 811.58 811.8 811.97 812.29 EN2003a B MEE076 1 815.68 824.0 815.7 823.96 Um well that's just kind of dictated by the size of the room really , isn't it ? Yeah . I mean would we have poster boards or is it just gonna be posters on the walls ? 819.14 819.39 820.82 823.96 EN2003a A MEE075 0 818.176 819.589 818.23 819.589 Wall space and - EN2003a B MEE076 1 825.28 834.249 825.3 834.17 They did it like um I ha I should have found this out . Are you guys second years or first years ? You're both first year . So n so none of us have been to this before . Right . 828.16 830.24 830.93 833.83 834.17 EN2003a C MEO074 3 826.032 827.974 826.05 827.84 Do we have any information on this ? 827.84 EN2003a A MEE075 0 829.936 830.699 829.96 830.53 First years . 830.53 EN2003a C MEO074 3 830.228 830.918 830.27 830.88 First years . 830.88 EN2003a A MEE075 0 832.688 847.152 832.87 847.152 No . I've been to Durham uh post-graduate conference and I mean every conference I've ever been to , the posters have always been in the coffee break , which is why probably , because normally they're limited on space and they 834.04 841.3 843.96 845.18 EN2003a B MEE076 1 838.4 838.989 838.46 838.91 Mm-hmm . 838.91 EN2003a C MEO074 3 844.964 845.486 845.23 845.34 Oh . 845.34 EN2003a C MEO074 3 847.2 870.256 847.25 870.2 Actually , we have a message here from Mits about the poster session . Poster session was introduced in nineteen ninety nine as part of the main conference . In two thousand it was held separately in October . The intention was to use it as a way to introduce incoming post-grad students to the department's research culture . However , I did not pursue this idea the following year because the comments I received from students in two thousand were generally discouraging . 847.63 850.75 855.02 857.76 863.52 863.96 870.2 EN2003a A MEE075 0 850.076 850.617 850.14 850.56 Yeah . 850.56 EN2003a C MEO074 3 871.248 884.928 871.36 884.87 On the other hand , I later learned that some students did find the October poster session quite a useful experience . My suggestion therefore is to re-examine the idea of poster session altogether and find a better way to implement it if there seems to be enough interest in it . 872.12 877.53 884.87 EN2003a A MEE075 0 885.216 886.48 885.43 886.45 Well , I think keeping it 885.62 EN2003a A MEE075 0 887.568 894.24 887.69 894.24 um along-side the conference is possibly one way of maintaining interest and - EN2003a C MEO074 3 890.56 890.982 890.61 890.89 Mm . 890.89 EN2003a C MEO074 3 892.279 899.888 892.37 899.85 Yeah . Last sentence . One possibility is to put it back in the main conference and let people choose between a paper presentation and a poster . 892.91 894.18 899.85 EN2003a A MEE075 0 897.164 897.574 897.26 897.574 And uh - EN2003a A MEE075 0 899.632 912.336 899.65 912.336 Yeah , I think that's definitely the idea , I think the best idea . I can imagine it would seem a bit random just have like a poster session and bes uh yeah , just have a p a poster session um 900.34 903.23 904.3 909.74 EN2003a B MEE076 1 899.856 900.915 899.9 900.82 Yeah , I think so . 900.34 900.82 EN2003a C MEO074 3 902.912 903.443 902.99 903.3 Mm-hmm . 903.3 EN2003a A MEE075 0 913.712 920.048 913.73 919.99 What would it be at the beginning ? So I suppose it is it normally uh second years do it like just after they've come back for the s 914.73 EN2003a C MEO074 3 913.796 914.286 913.84 914.14 Mm-hmm . 914.14 EN2003a A MEE075 0 920.949 921.21 921.01 921.21 The - EN2003a C MEO074 3 921.488 921.904 921.51 921.8 Mm-hmm . 921.8 EN2003a B MEE076 1 922.672 925.104 922.672 925.05 Oh you mean um uh w on the October thing ? 925.05 EN2003a A MEE075 0 925.024 926.736 925.04 926.63 That's what it would be , I think . 926.01 926.63 EN2003a B MEE076 1 926.32 935.158 926.34 935.158 I thought uh well , it seemed to me that he was saying that everyone would do it ju because its goal was to give the new in-take uh idea of 927.18 EN2003a A MEE075 0 927.471 927.657 927.49 927.657 It - EN2003a C MEO074 3 933.536 934.027 933.61 933.91 Mm yeah . 933.91 EN2003a A MEE075 0 933.935 936.928 934.02 936.86 Yeah , but I d I don't think he means that it would be 934.41 EN2003a A MEE075 0 938.464 942.448 938.5 942.3 the first-years who've only just arrived would do a poster . That would be a bit odd , wouldn't it ? 941.26 942.0 942.3 EN2003a B MEE076 1 941.088 942.984 941.11 942.73 Oh no no no no yeah , yeah . 942.43 942.73 EN2003a A MEE075 0 943.255 956.72 943.255 956.65 Okay , so at least anyone who's feeling yeah , exactly . Yeah , I I might do , I d I still th I'm little bit doubtful . But um so that's good anyway . So 944.49 947.83 948.66 948.93 950.02 952.29 956.19 EN2003a C MEO074 3 945.151 947.429 945.23 947.18 But a poster I might do . 947.18 EN2003a A MEE075 0 959.189 977.392 959.24 977.31 we've got an idea . I think there's thirty talks and and say six , ten posters , whatever we can manage to fit in the room . Um so we need to look at we need to look at where we're gonna ho hold it . We could have it in B_ nine , but there's things all over the wall . 960.38 963.45 964.23 966.7 971.99 975.14 977.31 EN2003a B MEE076 1 966.251 966.841 966.33 966.73 Mm-hmm . 966.73 EN2003a C MEO074 3 977.556 978.672 977.556 978.47 Mm-hmm . 978.47 EN2003a B MEE076 1 977.684 978.257 977.75 978.12 Mm . 978.12 EN2003a A MEE075 0 978.672 984.897 978.69 984.86 There are those pictures that run all the way around , so can we take the pictures down ? Can we use B_ nine for the posters for instance ? 980.37 982.56 984.86 EN2003a C MEO074 3 979.626 981.507 979.7 981.507 All these dead linguists . 981.39 EN2003a B MEE076 1 984.166 991.068 984.53 990.81 Um well we should find out if um generally they use poster boards , if there are some poster boards that we can get ahold of , then that's 988.24 990.19 EN2003a C MEO074 3 992.08 992.537 992.13 992.41 Mm-hmm . 992.41 EN2003a B MEE076 1 992.416 993.097 992.53 993.02 alright . 993.02 EN2003a A MEE075 0 992.992 998.592 993.02 998.38 Okay , so poster boards . And wha uh um what I'll do , I'll email Mits about that , okay ? 993.59 994.64 996.64 998.04 998.38 EN2003a B MEE076 1 998.688 999.277 998.71 999.11 Okay . 999.11 EN2003a C MEO074 3 999.502 1008.432 999.66 1008.34 Um write into the call that we are considering the idea of having a poster session . 1008.34 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1008.309 1008.8 1008.38 1008.66 Mm-hmm . 1008.66 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1009.68 1022.703 1009.83 1022.65 So people can indicate would they prefer to give a poster or a talk . But the ultimate decision is on our side because we have to see how it does it work out with the poster session , how does it work out with the talks . 1015.14 1021.29 1022.65 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1014.496 1015.278 1014.52 1015.21 Yeah , okay . 1014.71 1015.21 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1021.024 1021.664 1021.04 1021.62 Okay . 1021.62 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1022.416 1067.536 1022.66 1067.536 Well what we'll do is sa we can just say uh if you want to do a talk , then just say so , and if you want to do a poster , then say you want to do a poster . And we can sort of base it around that . And if we get absolutely tons of people wanting to do posters and we don't think there's a you know , everyone's kind of done it as a cop-out , then we might have to sort of say to them well , you know , would you consider doing a talk instead , because uh particularly the second and third-years , because we need more talks , and just , you know , do it like that . Um we could even say something like um you know , first-years might want to give a poster or something like that because I don't know , maybe that's a bad idea , but 1028.01 1029.47 1031.3 1032.84 1034.83 1039.29 1041.52 1044.84 1045.02 1046.93 1049.76 1051.07 1051.71 1051.97 1055.27 1062.05 1066.16 1067.33 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1031.136 1031.594 1031.22 1031.51 Mm-hmm . 1031.51 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1033.376 1034.669 1033.4 1034.58 Yeah . Yeah . 1034.41 1034.58 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1040.864 1041.49 1040.99 1041.35 Mm . 1041.35 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1041.778 1042.244 1041.85 1042.13 Mm-hmm . 1042.13 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1046.112 1048.508 1046.13 1048.37 Yeah . Yeah . Yep . Yeah . 1046.75 1047.6 1048.23 1048.37 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1046.095 1046.511 1046.16 1046.45 Yeah . 1046.45 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1051.117 1051.724 1051.22 1051.49 Mm . 1051.49 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1054.736 1055.28 1054.82 1055.18 Yep . 1055.18 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1068.24 1069.089 1068.77 1069.04 Just - EN2003a C MEO074 3 1070.08 1073.706 1070.51 1073.706 throw a general suggestion at them . See what happens . 1072.24 1073.53 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1072.081 1073.712 1072.3 1073.63 Yeah . Okay . 1073.18 1073.63 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1084.168 1086.464 1084.32 1086.43 Okay , so we got some sort of idea of 1084.59 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1088.304 1093.585 1088.32 1093.53 the structure and how many talks we're going to be able to have . 1093.53 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1094.24 1102.09 1094.26 1102.05 Well the maximum . I mean I guess that that will evolve uh when we get a response from people , perhaps . But that's fine , isn't it ? So we've got three days . 1094.96 1100.11 1100.47 1100.92 1101.19 1102.05 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1095.136 1095.702 1095.22 1095.5 I mean w - EN2003a A MEE075 0 1099.376 1113.152 1099.4 1113.09 Yeah . Okay . So I've uh Okay , so English language um we'll put on the main call , and I'll just I I'll just kinda market it as an linguistics and English language or something like that , I think . 1100.3 1101.38 1104.11 1107.56 1112.54 1113.09 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1111.632 1112.234 1111.66 1112.14 Mm-hmm . 1112.14 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1117.27 1120.448 1117.55 1120.37 And is the the other main group then um philosophy ? 1120.37 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1121.509 1124.528 1121.55 1124.22 Yes , and Informatics , we could think about it as well . 1121.85 1122.8 1124.22 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1123.104 1123.803 1123.12 1123.72 Oh yeah . 1123.72 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1128.813 1130.288 1128.83 1130.21 So I had a look - EN2003a A MEE075 0 1131.82 1152.544 1131.86 1152.5 at whether they do philosophy of a language and logic and stuff here , and they kind of do . There's about there's about three or four uh full-time members of staff that list um philosophy of language as a major interest , so chances are they're gonna have some P_H_D_ students that uh are interested . So 1135.87 1136.98 1146.09 1151.4 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1137.2 1138.17 1137.32 1138.01 I think they do . 1138.01 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1145.002 1145.567 1145.07 1145.48 Mm . 1145.48 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1153.856 1161.248 1153.88 1161.21 do we think we should invite them ? I think I'd be surprised if we got sort of four out of them . I think that would be 1155.61 1160.58 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1161.776 1162.299 1161.8 1162.12 Mm . 1162.12 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1162.576 1164.353 1162.6 1164.22 Still Yeah . 1164.22 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1162.785 1169.888 1162.88 1169.6 amazing if we did . So I think it's probably worth I don't think we're gonna get inundated with requests . So I think it's worth asking them . 1163.81 1168.16 1169.6 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1167.189 1167.704 1167.26 1167.55 Yeah . 1167.55 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1170.704 1171.552 1170.704 1171.52 Philosophy . 1171.52 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1171.744 1172.4 1171.744 1172.27 Yeah . 1172.27 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1172.544 1175.776 1172.56 1175.776 And do you think inf Informatics would - EN2003a A MEE075 0 1176.336 1188.288 1176.59 1188.25 I mean I think the Informatics are definitely worth asking . Uh th there's there's C_S_T_R_ and um H_C_R_C_ . 1178.98 1188.25 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1185.299 1185.746 1185.32 1185.63 Mm-hmm . 1185.63 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1188.32 1191.2 1188.35 1191.08 Mm . I mean I'm thinking that the Informatics 1189.36 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1192.416 1194.272 1192.52 1194.24 potentially is quite a big response . 1194.24 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1194.4 1195.248 1194.49 1195.0 Yes . 1195.0 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1195.328 1195.977 1195.36 1195.977 Um - EN2003a A MEE075 0 1196.816 1197.377 1196.84 1197.33 It is . 1197.33 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1197.108 1201.824 1197.24 1201.7 Yeah , might be interesting stuff coming in . Read something recently about 1197.76 1200.51 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1202.976 1213.808 1203.0 1213.77 I think somebody's Masters project to look in how far English is actu uh or in how far English is a shaping influence on programming languages . 1213.77 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1214.112 1217.264 1214.17 1217.264 Oh right , cool . 1214.59 1216.79 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1219.2 1220.032 1219.5 1220.032 Um - EN2003a A MEE075 0 1222.0 1223.264 1222.0 1223.264 Yeah , it is . It 1222.48 1223.04 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1222.412 1223.002 1222.46 1222.83 Yeah . 1222.83 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1224.848 1233.152 1224.87 1233.12 Would we wanna ask them and put some kind of like provisor in to make it um specific to sort of preemptively - EN2003a B MEE076 1 1234.368 1241.856 1234.39 1241.856 um weed out the numbers or should we just say to them oh , you know , we're having this thing about language and , you know , if you got something you think about language , come to 1237.15 1237.29 1238.84 1239.17 1240.64 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1236.72 1279.427 1236.74 1279.24 Yeah , well it would be nice to that . It would be nice it would be nice to do it . The thing is we can't afford to bias it towards any particular kind of linguistics in a sense , because it's such a Because of the way our department is , then we're supposed to sort of embrace all kinds . In fact , even by inviting um people from um Informatics and from or maybe from Philosophy and things , it might bias it in a particular direction . But I don't know , it's probably not too bad . I I think that I think that between Philosophy , Informatics and um Psychology you've probably got quite a lot of breadth there anyway . Um the thing is 1236.89 1239.07 1241.22 1246.36 1250.5 1254.17 1254.71 1264.55 1267.82 1268.33 1269.45 1272.81 1277.56 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1239.355 1239.877 1239.43 1239.76 Mm-hmm . 1239.76 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1246.192 1246.989 1246.3 1246.83 Mm-hmm . 1246.83 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1248.096 1249.256 1248.12 1249.19 Yeah . Yeah . 1248.73 1249.19 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1277.184 1277.641 1277.22 1277.53 Mm-hmm . 1277.53 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1280.475 1317.873 1280.58 1317.76 uh the one thing is the only kind of people doing anything like applied linguistics are the applied linguists themselves and people in sociology with an interest in language . And I don't think we'd be inviting them . But I don't think that's too bad , because the first thing is there's a good reason for inviting everyone in P_P_L_S_ , because we are in one school . And then the fact that we also invite people from the Informatics , I suppose it's just that we do have pretty strong ties with them , and I don't think anyone would be too offended . I hope not anyway . Um 1291.72 1294.2 1295.61 1300.67 1303.45 1305.87 1310.96 1314.39 1317.05 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1290.592 1291.324 1290.62 1291.24 Mm-hmm . 1291.24 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1311.328 1311.846 1311.35 1311.7 Mm . 1311.7 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1319.28 1322.56 1319.31 1322.5 so yeah . So what kind of provisor can we put on ? I mean we could 1319.79 1321.68 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1323.808 1329.024 1324.18 1328.99 we could just say outright anyone in their third year or anyone in their second or third year . 1328.99 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1330.576 1332.32 1330.6 1332.32 But I don't know . 1332.23 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1332.24 1332.598 1332.26 1332.47 Hmm . 1332.47 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1333.664 1339.52 1333.74 1339.52 Or we can just , you know , t uh take whatever we get and pick the best between us , which is 1334.65 1334.9 1338.87 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1340.56 1351.392 1340.58 1351.36 Yeah . Yeah , let's just do that . That's seems most straight-forward . Yeah , just So so if you just send them a general thing saying the Linguistics Department's having this conference and would like to invite post-graduates from the Informatics . 1341.34 1341.49 1342.2 1344.14 1344.28 1351.36 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1340.72 1343.232 1340.72 1343.232 Y yeah . 1342.99 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1341.267 1343.597 1341.34 1343.597 Yeah . 1343.27 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1345.028 1345.543 1345.08 1345.41 Yeah . 1345.41 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1346.341 1347.971 1346.38 1347.971 Yeah . So 1347.51 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1348.31 1348.809 1348.36 1348.76 Yeah . 1348.76 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1349.76 1354.649 1349.78 1354.56 So you're going to email Claire . Um 1353.99 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1352.333 1352.69 1352.4 1352.69 Of - EN2003a C MEO074 3 1353.808 1354.17 1353.83 1354.06 Yeah . 1354.06 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1355.888 1359.104 1355.91 1359.06 so who wants to send something out to Informatics ? 1359.06 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1359.536 1363.44 1359.57 1363.36 I'll do that . That's fine . And should I get in touch with Philosophy as well ? 1359.98 1361.93 1363.36 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1360.528 1362.173 1360.55 1362.02 Yeah ? Alright . 1361.69 1362.02 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1363.648 1368.218 1363.67 1368.218 Yeah , sure . Um so 1363.91 1365.25 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1374.208 1391.225 1374.23 1391.16 Yeah , so what you want to say is anyone who wants to give a talk on logic or philosophy of language , um but put a warning that if it's logic , then there's a good chance that no one will understand , or not that many . I mean maybe just maybe if you just put 1374.45 1380.09 1383.65 1387.56 1388.73 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1385.696 1386.954 1385.73 1386.79 No one will understand . 1386.79 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1394.464 1399.577 1394.48 1399.32 Yeah , just put philosophy of language . That's that's probably good . Or just or any ph 1394.62 1396.64 1398.44 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1397.696 1409.392 1397.73 1409.392 Yeah . I mean no , you if I just send them a thing saying the Linguistics Department is is having um a postgraduate thing , so if you're a Philosophy student with um you know , and your work has got an interest in language , then 1398.21 1398.64 1403.73 1406.67 1408.81 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1398.032 1398.754 1398.07 1398.51 Or some - EN2003a C MEO074 3 1400.02 1401.658 1400.05 1401.658 some relevance clause . 1401.3 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1408.728 1412.812 1408.77 1412.75 Yeah . Yeah , yeah . Kind of a relevance clause . 1410.25 1410.8 1411.54 1412.75 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1408.704 1420.048 1408.82 1419.63 Yep . Yeah , that's it . That's what you do . Yeah , that I think that's as much as we need to say . That's right . So uh you've gotta work out how to do that and who to email . 1409.87 1410.03 1410.53 1411.1 1411.35 1413.68 1414.19 1419.63 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1417.456 1425.492 1417.62 1425.42 Basically what I was thinking was um just sending them your call for papers and ch changing it slightly to say dear Philosophy students . 1425.42 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1423.872 1429.744 1423.97 1429.744 Mm-hmm . Adjust . 1425.53 1428.95 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1424.075 1436.304 1424.21 1436.27 Mm . Yeah , that's fine , that's fine . That's what you wanna do . Um as long as it's clear from the subject bar that it's relevant to them and that it says somewhere that 1425.42 1425.55 1426.26 1427.39 1428.21 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1437.488 1489.901 1437.51 1489.901 for Philosophy students with an interest in language and and that's it . And then between us we'll have to have another meeting and and I mean at the same time as we're sorting through all the other titles and and deciding um how to divide up the sessions . See someone suggested to me that it's actually better to have talks on a similar topic spread out as much as possible , which to me just seemed absolutely crazy . And the reason she gave me was something to do with uh taking out like a whole day or a whole afternoon would be quite difficult , but I think that balance against the fact that most people want to be able to say well look , I can have just this one day off , as opposed to when I'll need an hour over three da you know , an hour each day for three days . It you can end up having to take three afternoons or three mornings or whatever off . So I think in general , and also for the sake of the lecturers 1440.6 1453.81 1462.56 1464.78 1472.48 1476.05 1477.49 1480.26 1481.79 1486.23 1487.55 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1453.401 1453.808 1453.45 1453.75 Mm-hmm . 1453.75 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1478.54 1479.173 1478.63 1478.94 Mm-hmm . 1478.94 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1478.91 1480.116 1479.0 1480.05 Mm mm . 1480.05 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1480.701 1481.299 1480.78 1481.19 Yeah . 1481.19 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1490.478 1512.0 1490.478 1511.97 Uh I think a lot of the time Simon Kirby has already said to me that anyone any of his students he wants to be on the first day , on the Wednesday , right , and that's because I shifted it I basically had it on Monday , Tuesday , Wednesday to begin with , and then eve it moved down twice to Wednesday , Thursday , Friday . So Wednesday is the only day left that he can make . 1498.59 1499.33 1499.77 1503.48 1503.81 1505.82 1508.67 1509.04 1509.43 1511.97 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1507.9 1508.532 1508.05 1508.4 Mm-hmm . 1508.4 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1511.302 1511.834 1511.35 1511.73 Mm-hmm . 1511.73 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1512.352 1515.274 1512.42 1515.15 Oh I see , right , he wants them there because he so he can make it . Okay . 1512.85 1513.04 1514.87 1515.15 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1513.031 1513.754 1513.11 1513.754 So - EN2003a A MEE075 0 1515.296 1519.824 1515.32 1519.78 Yeah . So and the other thing is um when we get some calls say we have 1515.6 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1521.312 1560.063 1521.33 1560.063 uh for instance three people supervised by Bob Ladd , then it might be that then we are gonna have to uh contact Bob and say Bob , these three of your students are gonna be talking . Um presu presumably you want to be there . So can you give us a time that would be good for you ? And then we can put them in a block at one time . 'Cause he says yeah , okay , Thursday afternoon I've got completely free . So I think we do need to stick everyone together , uh particularly if they've got the same supervisor . And it's also good if talks are on the same topic for a whole morning or a whole afternoon because then people will come along and go oh , this morning it's all on phonology or this morning it's all on applied linguistics . And then 1525.74 1530.46 1533.75 1536.06 1539.58 1541.35 1541.97 1542.25 1545.24 1548.01 1550.46 1556.05 1559.49 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1540.96 1541.475 1541.06 1541.38 Yeah . 1541.38 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1544.64 1545.697 1544.67 1545.697 Mm , yeah , and I think 1544.95 1545.12 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1558.177 1559.042 1558.28 1558.96 Yeah yeah , yeah . 1558.74 1558.96 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1561.52 1562.295 1561.52 1562.14 Okay ? 1562.14 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1562.432 1562.848 1562.48 1562.71 Mm-hmm . 1562.71 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1564.814 1566.635 1564.88 1566.4 As much as possible anyway . 1566.4 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1566.832 1567.936 1566.91 1567.936 I think that's - EN2003a C MEO074 3 1570.064 1578.624 1570.09 1578.4 So far it's just a general statement of interest , what we intend to do . What we actually get to do we'll see later when we have the stuff . 1573.58 1575.72 1578.4 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1579.018 1586.768 1579.14 1586.768 Yeah . Now we need if I'm gonna send out this call , uh we need a deadline for titles . So 1580.52 1583.59 1586.25 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1584.766 1585.323 1584.83 1585.2 Mm-hmm . 1585.2 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1587.872 1589.008 1587.89 1588.77 Um - EN2003a A MEE075 0 1590.816 1606.878 1590.89 1606.78 what should we say ? Something like 'cause we need a deadline for titles and a deadline for abstracts . So let's set the the latest deadline , the the uh the the sort of abstracts deadline first because we need to have a meeting , and that's gonna be when all the real work starts . 1591.53 1595.32 1598.16 1604.52 1606.78 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1602.944 1603.32 1602.97 1603.23 Mm-hmm . 1603.23 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1604.822 1605.329 1604.89 1605.21 Yeah . 1605.21 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1607.0 1607.374 1607.02 1607.25 Yeah . 1607.25 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1608.72 1613.008 1608.72 1613.008 So what's the absolute latest ? I was think I mean maybe the end of 1610.89 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1616.736 1617.824 1616.81 1617.824 Two weeks ahead of - EN2003a C MEO074 3 1618.848 1619.584 1618.87 1619.47 End of March . 1619.47 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1620.144 1638.512 1620.26 1638.41 End of March might be okay . Uh I'm going away for two weeks on the fourth of April . And then I'm coming back just in time for the conference . So any organising , at least stuff where I need to be where we need to meet physically has to be done before that . 1621.78 1629.48 1632.18 1634.17 1638.41 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1621.671 1622.195 1621.75 1622.05 Yeah . 1622.05 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1629.323 1629.806 1629.38 1629.67 Mm-hmm . 1629.67 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1637.155 1637.745 1637.18 1637.69 Mm-hmm . 1637.69 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1638.592 1640.772 1638.66 1640.69 Yeah , and I will be away 1639.2 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1642.72 1650.528 1642.72 1650.44 probably until Easter . So this actually means we have the week directly after Easter between my coming back and you leaving 1644.45 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1651.408 1658.752 1651.408 1658.752 I tell you one thing . Uh it's starting on the Wednesday , and the first day back is Tuesday . I think I'm coming back 1653.32 1655.07 1656.98 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1651.802 1652.992 1651.9 1652.85 to get the stuff done . 1652.85 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1662.176 1670.304 1662.32 1670.26 I'm trying to get this right . Hopefully I'll be back in time that we'll be able to do something the day before . 'Cause I think I'm gonna be back . 1664.28 1668.8 1670.26 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1671.6 1694.128 1671.62 1694.06 Might even have to come in in the evening . But that's not the end of the world , but we might have to set some things up . Like maybe just get the chairs organised or whatever . We might actually have to go into the rooms and get things ready . And there's gonna be other things like getting the technology ready . So not only is there a pressure to have uh 1673.41 1674.68 1676.78 1679.58 1683.74 1688.88 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1679.088 1679.551 1679.11 1679.37 Mm . 1679.37 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1695.014 1715.277 1695.24 1715.15 talks that are on a similar topic together , but also if people need the same kind of computer set-up , it's good to have them together so we don't have to keep changing it . So Because I th I think it was Cedric has already offered to do whatever we need him to do . But he just needs to know in advance what people need so that he can be there and and get it ready for them . 1697.23 1701.04 1703.8 1710.18 1715.15 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1703.584 1704.01 1703.62 1703.91 Mm . 1703.91 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1712.86 1713.393 1713.02 1713.26 Mm-hmm . 1713.26 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1715.104 1715.536 1715.12 1715.4 Mm-hmm . 1715.4 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1716.592 1719.861 1716.592 1719.861 So I think when people - EN2003a B MEE076 1 1718.612 1721.632 1718.67 1721.54 What kinds of things do you think people are actually gonna need ? 1721.54 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1721.783 1735.769 1721.84 1735.53 Well , hopefully most people will d either have something like PowerPoint or they'll just have uh P_D_F_ slides or something . Hopefully , no one will have anything too specialized . S sh z 1723.53 1731.11 1731.68 1734.5 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1723.44 1723.837 1723.52 1723.837 Like - EN2003a B MEE076 1 1729.686 1730.443 1729.79 1730.33 Mm-hmm . 1730.33 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1735.328 1756.261 1735.37 1756.2 In my experience what you usually should have is some kind of um , what's it , over-head thingo um beamer . In some cases we might if it's really tough , we might be in need of a of some sound system to play recordings . 1740.85 1741.31 1746.92 1750.94 1756.2 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1741.799 1742.464 1741.86 1742.38 Yeah . 1742.38 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1754.592 1757.136 1754.63 1756.98 I mean if we do it uh th hasn't B_ nine got all of that ? 1756.98 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1757.146 1766.779 1757.21 1766.74 Yeah , it's got a lot in there . But I think it does take a little bit of I mean uh I think sometimes maybe people need to be in Linux rather than Windows and so booting in and out 1757.45 1758.33 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1757.829 1759.002 1757.89 1758.89 Should be there , yeah . 1758.54 1758.89 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1761.026 1761.75 1761.05 1761.59 Adjusting . 1761.59 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1766.232 1767.952 1766.31 1767.91 Yeah . Yeah . 1767.68 1767.91 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1766.928 1767.617 1766.96 1767.49 Mm-hmm . 1767.49 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1768.549 1771.601 1768.62 1771.601 m is sometimes an issue I think . Um 1770.84 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1774.312 1799.84 1774.4 1799.69 But I think what we should say is when I put out this call , I'll put both deadlines , and I think I'll say that when you send in your abstract , you need to mention that any technology you intend to use , so that at least if we have all the information Yeah ? So um so deadlines . Um , okay so let's think about this . If if we gave them a whole month or just over a month , then 1778.18 1779.43 1781.84 1785.35 1789.62 1793.05 1794.21 1795.37 1799.34 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1785.12 1785.775 1785.19 1785.6 Mm-hmm . 1785.6 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1788.539 1788.997 1788.62 1788.87 Yep . 1788.87 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1802.365 1804.984 1802.43 1804.984 that would be okay , wouldn't it , because we've still got 1803.27 1803.65 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1805.984 1839.594 1806.0 1839.4 Oh no , it wouldn't be okay at all . If we gave them the whole month , that'd give us hardly any time . So if we gave them say till mid-March , that would be good . So give them something like give them something like ten days or whatever to get the title in , and then give them a week on top of that to get the actual abstract done . And the abstract doesn't have to be much , it's probably only half a side of A_ four or something , isn't it ? Just enough that we can see whether it's interesting or what kind of area it fits into . That's all we really need . 1806.32 1807.77 1808.7 1810.21 1817.45 1818.36 1825.47 1829.42 1830.95 1833.06 1833.66 1838.52 1839.4 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1810.195 1810.711 1810.25 1810.6 Mm-hmm . 1810.6 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1816.679 1817.187 1816.74 1817.07 Yeah . 1817.07 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1832.698 1833.197 1832.77 1833.04 Mm . 1833.04 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1836.717 1837.324 1836.82 1837.18 Yeah . 1837.18 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1839.44 1840.009 1839.48 1839.86 Mm-hmm . 1839.86 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1840.768 1847.68 1840.768 1847.63 Um see ideal ideally I would've liked to have given them a bit longer . But I think w 1847.05 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1847.808 1850.16 1847.83 1850.09 Nah . No way anymore . 1849.33 1850.09 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1848.928 1858.345 1848.95 1858.345 That will be okay . Okay . So unfortunately I don't have a calendar . Um so let's just 1850.96 1852.27 1855.91 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1857.422 1858.96 1857.62 1858.75 Mm neither do I . 1858.75 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1861.857 1866.96 1861.97 1866.96 You're gonna send that pan pen crazy . 1866.42 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1864.064 1871.68 1864.064 1871.68 That's true . No , it's I think it's okay when you're not writing on there . Um so 1866.57 1866.69 1869.2 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1878.96 1880.25 1878.96 1880.25 So - EN2003a A MEE075 0 1882.96 1883.616 1883.0 1883.616 Uh - EN2003a A MEE075 0 1884.992 1887.152 1885.05 1887.12 Thirty one oh no , it's twenty eight this 1885.99 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1888.528 1889.328 1888.55 1889.29 this month , isn't it ? 1889.0 1889.29 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1889.696 1890.24 1889.78 1890.12 Mm-hmm . 1890.12 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1890.993 1892.624 1891.15 1892.49 Two , three , four . 1891.69 1892.28 1892.49 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1899.392 1901.104 1899.44 1901.03 I could create us another calendar . 1901.03 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1899.68 1913.088 1899.7 1913.01 So if we have it like a Monday , Monday the fourteenth'd probably be quite good for the final deadline . And then um if I send it out tomorrow , we'll say something like the el 1904.12 1908.13 1911.49 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1907.536 1908.128 1907.63 1908.07 Mm-hmm . 1908.07 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1915.52 1926.496 1915.52 1926.41 Or maybe the fourth would be good . So give them a w yeah , a week for the title , and then they would have about ten days from then to actually get the abstract in . 1918.97 1921.19 1923.35 1926.41 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1919.344 1921.707 1919.36 1921.64 For the title deadline ? Yeah . 1921.36 1921.64 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1928.272 1929.36 1928.3 1929.21 Does that sound reasonable ? 1929.21 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1930.192 1935.2 1930.59 1935.2 Why not just give them a week to do the abstract ? I mean I'm just thinking about um 1932.43 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1935.776 1941.488 1935.8 1941.488 Just put it here , yeah ? The eleventh . A bit earlier . So I'm saying a week from when I send it out 1936.41 1936.66 1937.42 1938.23 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1939.6 1947.872 1939.62 1947.872 Oh no no no , I was s I was saying ju just give them a bit longer to get back with the title . Say get back with the title by the seventh . Or do we need ten days to go from 1940.17 1943.89 1945.95 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1946.099 1947.929 1946.23 1947.83 Mm-hmm . Yeah . 1947.46 1947.83 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1946.544 1964.474 1946.56 1964.44 That would be a week anyway . That would be a week anyway , but you can give them ten days to you can give them ten days to get the title , or you can give them it depends which way around you wanna do it . So what's gonna take them longer actually to decide what they're gonna do and send the title , or is it gonna be on the basis of the title , do they want more time to write the abstract . 1947.92 1949.09 1952.34 1955.05 1960.52 1962.68 1964.44 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1952.311 1952.802 1952.33 1952.67 Yeah . 1952.67 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1952.497 1953.154 1952.63 1953.06 Yeah . 1953.06 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1964.816 1968.485 1964.87 1968.38 Uh f I think if they're really serious - EN2003a C MEO074 3 1970.195 1974.569 1970.22 1974.569 to be a bit late with the title might not be bad , because it will help them to 1972.7 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1974.544 1978.576 1974.65 1978.576 So give them the seventh , yeah ? Okay , so 1975.73 1976.72 1977.7 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1975.6 1976.15 1975.62 1976.06 Yeah . 1976.06 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1975.812 1976.826 1975.9 1976.75 Mm yeah . 1976.75 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1977.821 1978.228 1977.94 1978.13 Yep . 1978.13 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1980.512 1986.304 1980.56 1986.304 So Monday the seventh is the title . And this presumably will apply across the board . Like um 1982.94 1985.25 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1985.216 1985.729 1985.25 1985.57 Mm-hmm . 1985.57 EN2003a C MEO074 3 1985.68 1986.114 1985.83 1986.08 Yep . 1986.08 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1987.776 1992.035 1987.776 1992.0 And Monday the fourteenth for the abstract . 1992.0 EN2003a B MEE076 1 1991.618 1995.984 1991.7 1995.94 And we've got they we've got an email address for them to send all this to , haven't we ? Or what was it ? 1994.05 1995.25 1995.94 EN2003a A MEE075 0 1995.872 1998.909 1995.89 1998.909 Well we we kind of have . I d uh we were given 1997.3 EN2003a C MEO074 3 2002.184 2007.216 2002.31 2006.95 Getting access to the uh to the account . Blah blah blah blah . 2005.67 2006.95 EN2003a A MEE075 0 2005.472 2021.593 2005.7 2021.593 The only thing is acce is accessing the account . They can send it to P_G_C_ at ling as long as we can get the Wh I'll tell you what I'll do then , I'll go and see Mike th today and and get the password and everything . 'Cause 2008.52 2014.67 2020.97 EN2003a B MEE076 1 2010.848 2011.409 2010.87 2011.29 Yeah . 2011.29 EN2003a C MEO074 3 2011.485 2013.156 2011.58 2013.1 Yeah . Yep . 2012.73 2013.1 EN2003a A MEE075 0 2022.8 2054.304 2022.82 2054.18 we possibly have it , but I'll just sort that out with him . Because if we're gonna tell everyone to email P_G_C_ , then we have to make pretty sure that we can actually access the account and that it's operational and stuff . 'Cause uh so far I've just been using my own uh email address . But it would be better it's quite easy to send f from an email address . 'Cause you can send from any email address you like . It's just the fact that you need to p uh it's just the fact that when they reply to it , you need to be able to uh access it . So I already tried it once , and I'm sure they gave us a password . And I even I even actu 2024.01 2025.7 2028.1 2033.2 2036.61 2040.89 2042.89 2046.9 2049.53 2050.71 2052.41 EN2003a B MEE076 1 2030.831 2031.38 2030.88 2031.27 Mm . 2031.27 EN2003a C MEO074 3 2038.135 2038.576 2038.18 2038.49 Mm-hmm . 2038.49 EN2003a C MEO074 3 2042.815 2043.289 2042.91 2043.21 Yeah . 2043.21 EN2003a C MEO074 3 2052.606 2053.255 2052.69 2053.06 Yeah . 2053.06 EN2003a A MEE075 0 2057.824 2061.744 2057.824 2061.57 Oh well , that's it then . No problem . That's it . So does i 2058.23 2059.31 2060.06 2060.45 EN2003a C MEO074 3 2058.226 2061.715 2058.53 2061.715 We've got it all written down . 2061.6 EN2003a A MEE075 0 2065.744 2066.458 2065.87 2066.458 I mean it - EN2003a A MEE075 0 2068.704 2103.298 2068.72 2103.18 You may already know , but the thing is if you want to send this call for abstracts , you know , when you do the philosophy and and thingy one , then if you want to send from P_G_C_ , then uh I mean you might already know , but you can go f if if you did it from web-mail , you can just create a new account for yourself and where it sa it actually has a send from address , and you can just put P_G_C_ at ling dot and just do it that way . Uh or depending on your normal email client , you might be able to do it , but it doesn't matter too much . The the the other thing you could do is have is just fill in the reply to address as P_G_C_ , depending on what you wanna do . 2069.52 2072.04 2072.23 2074.99 2078.25 2081.3 2083.57 2087.9 2091.69 2094.33 2095.13 2097.32 2102.21 2103.18 EN2003a B MEE076 1 2089.405 2090.037 2089.47 2089.98 Mm-hmm . 2089.98 EN2003a B MEE076 1 2096.858 2097.556 2096.99 2097.37 Yeah . 2097.37 EN2003a B MEE076 1 2101.936 2102.412 2101.96 2102.33 Yeah . 2102.33 EN2003a A MEE075 0 2104.896 2118.8 2104.92 2118.68 But that's what I'll do . I'll send it from P_G_C_ , so if anyone replies , it would just go to that account and any of us can access it at any time . Presumably , you can access from web-mail or , you know , or I_ MAP or whatever . 2106.87 2108.46 2109.59 2113.39 2114.05 2116.82 2117.62 2118.68 EN2003a C MEO074 3 2119.131 2121.186 2119.19 2121.04 Should I take care of the web page ? 2121.04 EN2003a A MEE075 0 2121.952 2132.688 2122.43 2132.61 Yeah , if you want to to create a web page and just copy my email into it or something , and anything else you might wanna do , and then later on we can put the uh the programme in . 2122.89 2127.96 2129.64 2132.61 EN2003a C MEO074 3 2128.231 2129.677 2128.34 2129.55 Mm-hmm . Yeah . 2129.19 2129.55 EN2003a C MEO074 3 2132.624 2132.983 2132.67 2132.92 Yeah . 2132.92 EN2003a B MEE076 1 2133.936 2135.101 2133.97 2134.85 Mm-hmm , cool . 2134.55 2134.85 EN2003a A MEE075 0 2137.152 2140.128 2137.17 2140.128 So um - EN2003a C MEO074 3 2154.0 2154.704 2154.02 2154.63 Hmm . 2154.63 EN2003a A MEE075 0 2158.144 2158.869 2158.36 2158.66 Okay ? 2158.66 EN2003a B MEE076 1 2158.498 2165.998 2158.59 2165.81 Oh right , yeah . Oh , so am I . Is it five t is it almost two ? Oh , my microphone fell off . Yeah . 2159.04 2159.63 2159.75 2160.71 2163.45 2163.64 2165.42 2165.81 EN2003a C MEO074 3 2159.339 2159.83 2159.339 2159.68 No . 2159.68 EN2003a A MEE075 0 2161.574 2171.984 2161.62 2171.94 It's not quite it's p two or three minutes to . You you got something for two , haven't you ? Right . Okay . So very quickly then , can we arrange a new time to have a meeting ? 2163.62 2165.12 2165.59 2166.14 2166.5 2169.03 2171.94 EN2003a C MEO074 3 2162.639 2163.994 2162.69 2163.89 Not quite , but almost . 2163.2 2163.89 EN2003a A MEE075 0 2173.552 2180.563 2173.57 2180.5 Do you think we need to how long do you think until we need to meet again ? Have we got enough to be getting on with . We probably have , haven't we ? 2177.07 2179.1 2180.1 2180.5 EN2003a B MEE076 1 2180.992 2185.35 2181.04 2185.35 Yeah . Uh I mean that's just um 2181.61 EN2003a A MEE075 0 2185.184 2192.752 2185.25 2192.55 So I mean maybe m I mean ideally I suppose we'll meet again here . So we can with Melissa and we'll just send out an email . Okay ? 2189.25 2192.29 2192.55 EN2003a C MEO074 3 2190.322 2191.553 2190.41 2191.553 Yeah . 2191.09 EN2003a B MEE076 1 2193.168 2207.584 2193.2 2207.51 Yeah , and uh that that would be cool . Okay , so um I mean I won't get in touch with Philosophy . Or I won't send anything to Philosophy and Informatics till I've got your email . 'Cause I'll just tell 'em a modified version of that . But I'll try and get a good address to send it to . 2193.42 2194.61 2194.82 2197.52 2201.62 2205.06 2207.51 EN2003a C MEO074 3 2193.93 2194.817 2193.98 2194.817 Um - EN2003a A MEE075 0 2201.6 2202.608 2201.69 2202.57 Yep . That's fine . 2202.22 2202.57 EN2003a C MEO074 3 2207.648 2208.165 2207.74 2208.07 Mm-hmm . 2208.07 EN2003a B MEE076 1 2211.216 2217.296 2211.44 2216.91 Alright . So that was a note . And I'm okay . 2212.11 2215.05 2216.91 EN2003a C MEO074 3 2217.232 2221.088 2217.25 2220.77 I think latest s soon as the call is out . 2220.77 EN2003a A MEE075 0 2223.28 2223.696 2223.43 2223.62 Yep . 2223.62 EN2003a C MEO074 3 2223.984 2231.584 2224.09 2231.584 Because then we have the call thing , we have that away and look at the boar organisatorial stuff like uh 2227.08 EN2003a C MEO074 3 2232.848 2235.2 2232.87 2235.2 Do we know about chairs , tea , and stuff ? 2233.89 2234.23 2235.13 EN2003a B MEE076 1 2238.176 2239.554 2238.2 2239.4 Alright , we're finished . 2238.48 2239.4 EN2003a C MEO074 3 2239.456 2240.272 2239.456 2240.17 Okay . 2240.17 EN2004a C FEO079 2 0.0 0.384 0.08 0.34 More . 0.34 EN2004a B FEE078 1 0.0 1.472 0.48 1.4 If not more , yeah . 1.12 1.4 EN2004a D FEE081 3 1.456 2.112 1.5 2.08 Mm . 2.08 EN2004a B FEE078 1 5.936 6.278 5.96 6.23 Okay . 6.23 EN2004a B FEE078 1 8.016 56.513 8.04 56.513 Okay . So the three of you and let's see m um myself and Maarika , who's not here , and but I think so it it occasionally Melissa will all be doing checking of the transcriptions . So this is the second pass these transcriptions are receiving and that's pretty straight-forward . I think you all kn basically have an idea what's involved . Um but the extra step that we're asking you to do f in this case is to look at the silent regions and listen to them for each channel and um make sure that no back-channels were lost for example , um yeah , back-channels is what you n typically would find , although by and large these are gonna be silent . So 9.25 15.04 15.5 20.45 27.13 30.8 45.99 47.14 50.27 54.98 EN2004a A FEE080 0 19.157 19.581 19.24 19.49 Mm-hmm . 19.49 EN2004a D FEE081 3 30.176 30.832 30.39 30.74 Okay . 30.74 EN2004a B FEE078 1 56.513 110.211 56.74 110.0 So you can um start s checking by y well you you know , you can order it in any way you like , but um start with the first channel and go through it entirely . Um I would recommend , I've found that it's easier when you're checking and you're trying to make sure the boundaries are right for a speech segment , I would recommend , like say this one , go down here to the uh trascription transcription tier and select that it so that uh when you play , you're certain that when it stops , you've caught the whole speech signal for that utterance and haven't lost any signal information . Um otherwise it it's liable to keep on running , and you might not notice where it where it finishes . 66.13 67.82 72.7 74.79 84.24 85.26 87.27 95.01 96.91 102.98 107.07 110.0 EN2004a A FEE080 0 73.122 73.563 73.16 73.4 Mm-hmm . 73.4 EN2004a A FEE080 0 97.966 98.265 98.02 98.23 Mm . 98.23 EN2004a B FEE078 1 110.211 126.084 110.39 126.084 So it it takes a little time . But um Alternatively , I you you could just listen to the speech segments again and make sure everything is correct for those , and so you could just hit um 112.49 116.91 123.95 EN2004a B FEE078 1 129.102 130.09 129.17 130.09 And then - EN2004a B FEE078 1 133.034 148.34 133.17 148.34 Like that . And then go back and check the the silence regions . How it if if you wanna make your job a little more interesting , you can d do it in m different ways on a different day . It doesn't matter . As long as it gets done . So 133.83 138.68 141.27 145.13 146.06 147.35 EN2004a D FEE081 3 135.833 136.464 135.93 136.38 Mm-hmm . 136.38 EN2004a D FEE081 3 138.592 139.233 138.61 139.06 In between . 139.06 EN2004a D FEE081 3 141.071 142.202 141.071 142.202 Yeah . 142.15 EN2004a D FEE081 3 147.168 152.871 147.27 152.71 So we so are we checking what's actually been transcribed already as well as the silences ? Yeah . 152.48 152.71 EN2004a B FEE078 1 152.0 222.782 152.06 222.49 Yeah , yeah , you're doing so that's that's the role of the checker is to check what's said in the silent regions uh in the speech regions and then make sure nothing was lost in the silent regions . You're also um responsible for resolving any um uncertainties that were marked by the original transcriber . And and you know , of course there are gonna be m many situations where you like the first transcriber can't make any sense of it . And in that case , it will be up to you to use the at symbol . Um and that can be used uh to represent one um unintelligible word or multiple intelligible words , but just use one at symbol . Um yeah , mm-hmm , exactly . And so that um once you go through all the s um speech regions and all the um non-speech regions , an o you could make another step of doing a search using um going under the edit menu you can 152.48 152.68 162.9 170.69 172.43 179.79 181.83 186.72 195.91 198.09 199.3 199.83 201.65 215.26 EN2004a D FEE081 3 156.188 156.712 156.27 156.57 Mm-hmm . 156.57 EN2004a D FEE081 3 161.536 162.245 161.56 162.06 Oh okay . 162.06 EN2004a A FEE080 0 169.54 170.062 169.58 169.92 Mm-hmm . 169.92 EN2004a D FEE081 3 197.504 198.382 197.5 198.382 . 198.382 EN2004a B FEE078 1 222.782 271.296 223.23 271.296 do a search for , yeah , find replace for open parentheses and that'll take you to any that it any that the first transcriber might have marked out . So there's one . And then you can just resolve those all one by one as as a different set of um changes altogether . And and likewise for the double question marks . Just once you've gone through um and resolved all the open parentheses , you can do the same for op uh double question marks . And um and like I said , if you if you can't make any sense of it , then just use the at symbol . If you can um , just give it , you know , give it your best guess in these cases . If 225.17 225.59 235.52 236.22 244.86 248.58 254.24 257.39 260.63 262.54 264.1 266.51 268.07 268.35 271.0 EN2004a A FEE080 0 224.407 225.555 224.43 225.45 Find replace , yeah . 225.34 225.45 EN2004a A FEE080 0 238.56 239.086 238.6 238.87 Uh-huh . 238.87 EN2004a D FEE081 3 238.975 240.335 239.09 239.96 Oh , alright 'kay . 239.46 239.96 EN2004a A FEE080 0 250.306 250.797 250.38 250.63 Oh yeah . 250.63 EN2004a A FEE080 0 270.724 286.224 270.83 286.19 How much should you want um I had a few times where I thought well , it could be this , but if you're not entirely sure that it could be , 'cause it c it could be a combination of something else , like put the guess down or leave it as ambiguous in some way . 275.27 277.52 279.78 282.49 286.19 EN2004a B FEE078 1 276.512 277.12 276.59 277.03 Mm-hmm . 277.03 EN2004a B FEE078 1 282.448 283.105 282.47 283.03 Yeah . 283.03 EN2004a B FEE078 1 286.384 305.164 286.41 305.164 Yeah , it's I would uh if you're v if you're quite certain , then I would go ahead and um type what you think it was said . If if you v think that n y there's maybe a th thirty percent chance you're wrong or or more 287.03 293.2 296.63 EN2004a A FEE080 0 296.077 296.417 296.12 296.32 Right . 296.32 EN2004a A FEE080 0 299.628 301.217 299.68 301.04 There's a chance they could be . 301.04 EN2004a C FEO079 2 305.152 327.984 305.17 327.95 It's usually a context problem , because I think sometimes if it's not intelligible you either tend to because you really want it to fit the context , um you tend to take the closest actual word that would fit the context , or if it sometimes it sounds very clear as a word itself , but then wouldn't make sense at all , and then you m question , you know , second-guess whether it's really what you heard . 306.77 313.84 318.41 321.69 323.34 325.25 325.48 327.95 EN2004a A FEE080 0 307.033 307.465 307.08 307.43 Yeah . 307.43 EN2004a B FEE078 1 307.344 308.032 307.37 307.85 Yeah . 307.85 EN2004a D FEE081 3 313.6 314.159 313.65 314.08 Mm yeah . 314.08 EN2004a B FEE078 1 328.032 358.989 328.05 358.88 Right . So maybe a good idea would be to listen to each channel one by one , do listen to the silent and non-silent regions and make all those corrections , leave the unknowns , the um ambiguities , the uncertainties uncertainties until later . So go through all the channels and do that , and then um then you should have the context from all four speakers , and then go back and do those searches one by one for each channel . How would that be ? Does that sound good ? 328.64 333.44 339.18 340.97 342.59 346.05 347.87 353.4 357.23 358.2 358.88 EN2004a D FEE081 3 351.08 351.754 351.21 351.69 Yeah . 351.69 EN2004a A FEE080 0 352.88 353.378 352.91 353.3 Mm-hmm . 353.3 EN2004a C FEO079 2 358.256 358.682 358.28 358.56 Mm . 358.56 EN2004a D FEE081 3 358.059 366.575 358.77 366.575 Yeah , it does tend to help . Yeah . Once you've been through the passage , you've worked out what they're talking about , you know . Yeah . 359.04 360.13 361.07 361.97 363.42 365.87 366.38 EN2004a A FEE080 0 358.851 360.364 358.93 360.29 Mm , that's what I've been doing so far . 359.17 360.29 EN2004a B FEE078 1 360.512 360.976 360.53 360.83 Okay . 360.83 EN2004a A FEE080 0 362.883 374.458 362.883 374.22 It took li it like the third time 'til I thought oh , you're saying F_ five . It just came out of nowhere . 368.72 372.51 374.22 EN2004a B FEE078 1 363.072 367.784 363.072 367.784 You'll you'll know all too well what was said in this meeting by the time you - EN2004a B FEE078 1 369.808 380.4 369.808 380.26 Yeah . Yeah , I think that would be really helpful . That would help us um , you know , nab a good number of those uncertainties . 370.56 370.71 374.7 376.23 376.66 380.26 EN2004a C FEO079 2 370.729 371.019 370.75 370.88 Hmm . 370.88 EN2004a A FEE080 0 379.651 388.862 379.73 388.69 But if there's a chance that it's equally likely that they could have said something or they could have said something like ice cream and I scream , then just choose one and leave it , right . 386.15 388.5 388.69 EN2004a B FEE078 1 385.437 386.112 385.58 386.06 Mm . 386.06 EN2004a B FEE078 1 387.508 414.819 387.59 414.73 Choose one , it c I mean y think of it from a speech recognition point of view again . And always this should be this should motivate you . Yeah . What is most robust for a speech recognition and and leave out anything So you're well geared towards this task . Um So I've gone through Sorry . 388.16 392.26 395.14 395.62 407.76 414.73 EN2004a C FEO079 2 393.696 395.286 393.73 395.286 Be robust . 395.19 EN2004a A FEE080 0 393.819 395.499 393.87 395.499 Mm-hmm . 394.99 EN2004a A FEE080 0 399.328 405.296 399.48 405.296 We just started our speech recognition assignment just now . 404.76 EN2004a C FEO079 2 407.606 410.161 407.69 410.161 That's always fun . I've done that too . 409.15 410.05 EN2004a A FEE080 0 412.353 413.633 412.37 413.59 You're an S_L_P_ person . 413.59 EN2004a C FEO079 2 415.192 422.48 415.22 422.45 Oh , never I I don't wanna interrupt it . Uh uh when I did my masters um I took uh S_P_ one and S_P_ two with Simon King . 415.36 416.91 422.45 EN2004a B FEE078 1 416.784 418.199 416.83 418.08 Oh no no no . Go ahead , go ahead . 417.37 417.78 418.08 EN2004a A FEE080 0 422.56 426.503 422.58 426.503 You survived S_P_ one and S_P_ two . 425.92 EN2004a C FEO079 2 424.608 432.176 424.63 432.14 Yes . And actually I've done quite well in S_P_ one , I've done it a bit worse in S_P_ two because it was a l a lot more challenging . 424.79 428.04 432.14 EN2004a A FEE080 0 432.24 434.041 432.26 433.99 We have two new teachers for S_P_ two . 433.99 EN2004a C FEO079 2 434.256 434.704 434.28 434.67 Okay . 434.67 EN2004a B FEE078 1 434.8 437.088 434.87 437.088 Too many . 436.76 EN2004a A FEE080 0 435.695 444.616 435.695 444.616 And uh I'll ask you later on like if you still have your notes . 444.45 EN2004a C FEO079 2 439.142 439.682 439.21 439.56 Yeah . 439.56 EN2004a C FEO079 2 440.63 445.669 440.65 445.39 Right . Okay . Back to the topic . 443.22 444.51 445.39 EN2004a B FEE078 1 445.627 472.096 445.69 472.05 Okay okay . So um this is one I've gone through . I've just done one channel . And there were lots of lots and lots and lots of things as you can see . 'Cause I've got square brackets around all the things that need to be changed . Um so this person didn't ha um th obviously didn't know about capitalisation . So just about every utterance needs to be capitalised and and needs the end punctuation . 446.61 449.87 452.4 456.12 460.76 467.25 472.05 EN2004a D FEE081 3 456.513 456.921 456.64 456.83 Mm-hmm . 456.83 EN2004a D FEE081 3 472.144 485.478 472.16 485.38 You know , when you get like um someone's talking and there's they sort of pause in the middle of a sentence that's long enough for it to put a break in , but they're actually sort of carrying on the sentence , do you have to capitalise each time you transcribe a bit if it's mid 472.44 479.96 481.7 EN2004a B FEE078 1 479.595 479.944 479.63 479.91 Yeah . 479.91 EN2004a B FEE078 1 484.896 495.609 484.96 495.52 Um , no no no . Whatever um makes sense to you . Um but no , it it can continue into the next segment and that's perfectly fine . 485.25 486.38 489.5 491.39 495.52 EN2004a D FEE081 3 486.394 487.367 486.43 487.23 No no no no . Yeah . 487.01 487.23 EN2004a D FEE081 3 489.168 489.757 489.2 489.56 Okay . 489.56 EN2004a D FEE081 3 491.839 496.176 491.87 496.176 Yeah . Just okay . So it's put the hyphen and then 493.01 494.37 EN2004a C FEO079 2 493.435 494.026 493.51 493.92 Yeah . 493.92 EN2004a C FEO079 2 495.016 511.093 495.05 510.92 I think that's actually the only case where you don't or where you're not supposed to capitalise , right ? So if it's quite clear that the sentence is being carried on , the p you know , the sentence from the previous segment is being carried on , then that's when you don't capitalise . Otherwise you do . 499.96 500.95 504.55 505.07 507.7 510.21 510.92 EN2004a A FEE080 0 496.394 497.292 496.46 497.22 Mm the hyph - EN2004a B FEE078 1 500.512 501.697 500.512 501.697 Um - EN2004a D FEE081 3 500.496 501.056 500.58 500.88 Right . 500.88 EN2004a D FEE081 3 510.16 510.781 510.22 510.71 Okay . 510.71 EN2004a A FEE080 0 510.329 514.97 510.38 514.87 And you only use the hyphen I think when the sentence is definitely not continuing anywhere . 514.87 EN2004a C FEO079 2 514.288 514.779 514.31 514.74 Yes . 514.74 EN2004a D FEE081 3 514.784 521.895 514.8 521.895 Oh right , okay . I've done a few of those wrong then when someone comes to check it . 515.54 516.11 521.77 EN2004a B FEE078 1 515.406 516.645 515.49 516.59 Yeah . Yeah . 516.22 516.59 EN2004a A FEE080 0 516.158 520.297 516.25 520.297 As in like it's - EN2004a B FEE078 1 517.328 560.752 517.328 560.61 I'll review some of these things um after I go through this a bit um just to re-cap . Th these are things that I've after checking um t everybody's work um , these are things that were commonly left out or , you know misc mis-transcribed , whatever . So I'll go over those t as an opportunity to use the white-board . Um um okay . So uh this person left out a lot of end punctuation and um here's a case where I think she was transcribing an out-breath um or possibly an in-breath uh t uh in and used the hash mark . 526.19 531.97 534.56 536.88 537.49 541.03 544.08 560.61 EN2004a C FEO079 2 518.021 518.505 518.12 518.39 Yeah . 518.39 EN2004a C FEO079 2 519.996 520.406 520.21 520.33 Yeah . 520.33 EN2004a A FEE080 0 533.67 534.26 533.79 534.08 Mm-hmm . 534.08 EN2004a D FEE081 3 534.528 535.043 534.55 534.91 Okay . 534.91 EN2004a B FEE078 1 561.84 569.858 561.84 569.8 In any case , I didn't hear anything and and you shouldn't be transcribing in-breaths or out-breaths . That's n information we don't need . 562.46 567.52 569.8 EN2004a D FEE081 3 567.12 567.547 567.17 567.46 Okay . 567.46 EN2004a A FEE080 0 567.292 567.683 567.34 567.57 Right . 567.57 EN2004a B FEE078 1 577.584 589.232 577.99 589.232 Oh , you know , this is the head-set mic and I heard something there . It was but it wa yeah , it was a bit of a yeah , it was creaky , so yeah f uh 578.75 579.47 582.47 583.51 584.83 585.32 EN2004a A FEE080 0 578.503 579.983 578.55 579.76 It was the creaky voice . 579.76 EN2004a A FEE080 0 583.92 588.112 583.94 587.97 Creaky voice . But it is c really connected to the word . Can we hear it again ? 585.69 587.23 587.97 EN2004a C FEO079 2 585.367 585.932 585.44 585.83 Yeah . 585.83 EN2004a D FEE081 3 587.4 588.398 587.43 588.25 Yeah . 588.25 EN2004a C FEO079 2 588.544 593.417 588.56 593.29 And you sometimes you don't know really whether it's a mic noise or that person is making that noise . 593.29 EN2004a B FEE078 1 593.024 596.149 593.04 595.94 Yeah , well I didn't think it was im let's see , wait . 593.51 595.59 595.94 EN2004a D FEE081 3 593.185 594.174 593.45 594.02 Yeah . 594.02 EN2004a B FEE078 1 609.881 639.72 609.92 639.61 Yeah . S there's there's actually quite a bit more in there than than I heard before . This is so I w I heard a creaky voice , and it was audible of the level of the rest of the speech . So I would I would keep that . I think that's good . Oh , okay . I was adding that , that's what I was doing . That makes sense . Okay , there you go . Um so there's things like that . Um sh there's a missing false start here um that didn't get caught . 610.52 614.77 618.05 621.96 623.68 624.84 625.48 626.31 627.1 628.43 630.76 631.7 632.67 635.21 639.61 EN2004a A FEE080 0 610.17 611.201 610.22 611.07 From the - EN2004a A FEE080 0 613.607 615.232 613.63 615.232 from the - EN2004a C FEO079 2 628.128 631.979 628.15 631.979 Yeah . 631.8 EN2004a D FEE081 3 638.14 638.624 638.16 638.46 Okay . 638.46 EN2004a B FEE078 1 644.112 656.272 644.16 656.22 So I added that in . Um so that that's something that's quite common in the transcriptions that I've looked at . Missed false starts , um missed m 645.76 651.08 652.98 EN2004a C FEO079 2 649.704 650.3 649.72 650.26 Okay . 650.26 EN2004a C FEO079 2 654.96 672.631 654.98 672.45 And how exact do we have to be there ? Because um you know , some people tend to stutter more than others and then they would have a false start four or five times in a row . And how important is it to listen to it really until you've got the exact number of a things right ? Yeah . 657.89 659.1 666.02 672.17 672.45 EN2004a B FEE078 1 670.187 677.14 670.187 677.0 Try to get it right . I mean the it I think syllables should be accounted for for th 672.43 EN2004a C FEO079 2 675.887 683.946 675.95 683.81 Yeah . Well , 'cause sometimes they go you know , like that , and then you're not really sure whether it's three times or four yeah . 676.54 676.65 679.36 679.81 683.81 EN2004a B FEE078 1 678.86 712.915 678.86 712.83 Yeah , well don't let it drive you crazy , 'cause there is one speaker Melissa just played for me today and he stutters horribly . I mean I I I'd you know , it's unfortunate for him and for us 'cause it's really gonna be a nightmare to transcribe . So you will have to draw the line somewhere . But if you c if it's say four repeated um if the word is repeated four times , uh then that's not too hard to count . I haven't come across something that's been I haven't come across anything exceeding four , I don't think . Have you ? 680.9 682.46 688.07 689.89 696.34 698.09 703.57 706.58 711.96 712.46 712.83 EN2004a C FEO079 2 691.69 697.094 691.74 696.83 Yeah . Yeah . 696.63 696.83 EN2004a D FEE081 3 691.762 695.106 691.91 695.106 Yeah . Yeah . 693.32 694.77 EN2004a C FEO079 2 705.895 706.369 705.95 706.28 Mm-hmm . 706.28 EN2004a C FEO079 2 712.304 739.682 712.32 739.682 Yeah . Well , it's not that the word is if the word were the whole word were being used four times , that wouldn't have been that difficult , but sometimes it's just a false start , which is really just maybe one or one and a half phones and then repeated and then you don't really know whether one is a long duration of one or whether it's actually two , and that kind of thing , so it's I think it was a word starting with D_ and the person was going or s you know . 713.88 714.32 719.44 721.05 722.86 732.22 733.44 739.62 EN2004a B FEE078 1 718.388 719.715 718.54 719.57 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 719.22 719.57 EN2004a B FEE078 1 726.464 726.986 726.54 726.93 Uh-huh . 726.93 EN2004a B FEE078 1 731.6 733.364 731.83 733.17 Yeah , yeah . 732.59 733.17 EN2004a B FEE078 1 737.695 747.518 738.01 747.43 Yeah . Yeah . Make your best guess . Try to listen to it carefully enough , but not not so that you're obsessing over it for too long . 738.45 740.06 741.78 743.95 747.43 EN2004a C FEO079 2 741.2 741.697 741.22 741.61 Yeah . 741.61 EN2004a B FEE078 1 748.507 749.49 748.61 749.27 I would say . 749.27 EN2004a A FEE080 0 749.488 761.094 749.51 761.094 And sometimes with the I would be thinking , are you anticipating a or you're you t trying to say the and you're just saying the the the the the . 751.74 760.96 EN2004a C FEO079 2 756.66 757.026 756.72 756.9 Hmm . 756.9 EN2004a B FEE078 1 758.256 771.33 758.28 771.25 Alright . Well there again , f uh think about robustness and speech uh recognition and it really doesn't matter . If it's a word fragment , who cares . It you're marking it as a fragment , and that's what's important . 759.92 760.81 766.09 767.49 768.76 770.25 771.25 EN2004a C FEO079 2 763.295 763.794 763.34 763.69 Yeah . 763.69 EN2004a A FEE080 0 764.576 765.047 764.61 764.88 Mm-hmm . 764.88 EN2004a D FEE081 3 764.931 765.546 765.05 765.38 Yeah . 765.38 EN2004a A FEE080 0 767.523 769.161 767.62 769.161 Yeah . 769.07 EN2004a C FEO079 2 768.136 769.534 768.26 769.534 Well , speaking about 768.45 EN2004a A FEE080 0 770.343 771.44 770.4 771.41 Yeah , yeah . 771.15 771.41 EN2004a C FEO079 2 771.456 792.154 771.48 792.154 Speaking about robustness , if if somebody has an accent that you can only really understand what they're saying due to world knowledge yeah , it what they say , it doesn't really actually sound at all , you know , what it is , then do you transcribe more phonetically or do you put uh uh a star of after every single one word ? Or 772.9 779.99 780.66 783.31 783.88 784.74 791.63 EN2004a B FEE078 1 791.35 799.715 791.42 799.65 Well um I wouldn't de be using the star so liberally um for a non-native speaker . 799.65 EN2004a C FEO079 2 797.226 831.597 797.33 831.53 Yeah , that's what I thought , that you're not supposed to do it , but um the one there's one I'm transcribing right now , you know , a whole batch of dialogues where uh all four participants are non-native , and there's especially one there that um I think he's Eastern European and I think that's the only reason I can understand what he's saying at all , because I'm Eastern European and uh but if we would just play it I think to a recognizer , then what he says , you know , the way he realises words , sounds nothing at all like it it should be . 797.52 798.32 799.87 804.37 804.71 809.23 817.76 825.01 826.97 827.28 828.91 831.53 EN2004a B FEE078 1 829.025 829.69 829.12 829.54 Mm-hmm . 829.54 EN2004a B FEE078 1 832.057 843.683 832.17 843.683 Well , right , right . Um I mean and and for that matter a lot of n native English speakers' realisations aren't going to be so true to um 832.8 833.37 833.81 EN2004a C FEO079 2 837.311 837.976 837.36 837.92 Yeah . 837.92 EN2004a C FEO079 2 839.671 840.336 839.8 840.27 Yeah . 840.27 EN2004a A FEE080 0 842.8 851.648 842.82 851.648 I try to take consistency , if they always stress the wrong part of the word , then I think okay , I'll let that in , but if if it comes out and like one word is 844.37 847.33 848.05 848.7 EN2004a C FEO079 2 846.704 847.056 846.72 847.02 Yeah . 847.02 EN2004a B FEE078 1 848.64 849.962 848.66 849.89 Yeah , yeah . 849.19 849.89 EN2004a C FEO079 2 851.616 860.164 851.67 860.03 No , it's less of a s it's less of a stress . It's really like uh his uh , I don't know , just the phonemes sounding differently . 851.84 853.68 857.45 857.87 860.03 EN2004a B FEE078 1 860.384 865.163 860.4 864.99 Yeah . Well , I wouldn't bother to mark all of those instances though . 860.9 861.24 864.99 EN2004a C FEO079 2 864.615 867.276 864.64 867.18 Well , you can't really , because it would be all of it . 864.84 865.69 867.18 EN2004a B FEE078 1 866.231 901.678 866.33 901.32 No , I mean yeah , they're they're uh you're gonna find that for any speaker , they have a set way of of realising these things . And and it's just like Fiona was saying , um that the the word that stands out is something really uh aberrant . Like um I'm thinking of I I've used this example before , there's a guy who says project instead of product and uh it's something like project and it's probably just his his pronunciation of of . 866.65 868.16 871.54 875.31 877.61 884.73 888.73 901.32 EN2004a C FEO079 2 894.185 894.625 894.25 894.51 Oh . 894.51 EN2004a D FEE081 3 894.649 895.648 894.649 895.61 Oh . 895.61 EN2004a A FEE080 0 894.8 895.467 894.85 895.19 Ah . 895.19 EN2004a C FEO079 2 897.619 898.127 897.68 898.07 Yeah . 898.07 EN2004a D FEE081 3 897.728 898.39 897.76 898.25 Mm . 898.25 EN2004a C FEO079 2 900.007 906.036 900.06 906.036 Oh , I think I've transcribed him and I had project at all um evolution criteria . 900.26 905.69 EN2004a B FEE078 1 902.726 914.169 902.75 914.02 Yeah . Well , it it they were clearly talking about a product . So so uh I m I marked that as a m uh mispronunciation or s or something to flag anyway . 903.88 904.43 906.73 914.02 EN2004a C FEO079 2 908.296 908.778 908.4 908.72 Yeah . 908.72 EN2004a C FEO079 2 910.591 912.361 910.69 912.3 Mm . Okay . 911.77 912.3 EN2004a C FEO079 2 913.433 922.511 913.5 922.21 Yeah . And one guy who was saying evolution each time he meant evaluation , and it took me a whole dialogue Yeah , yeah . 914.46 917.95 921.32 922.21 EN2004a B FEE078 1 917.28 925.493 917.31 925.37 Oh , evaluation . Yeah , I I've I remember that . That one I would I would flag , just like you did . It that's something definitely to mark up . 917.59 918.64 919.15 920.52 921.93 922.82 925.37 EN2004a C FEO079 2 925.104 940.603 925.13 940.42 Yeah , but that's really something I would always transcribe it , you know , for lack of better knowledge or lack of context , and then at the end of the dialogue it dawned on me that he actually meant evaluation , and then I went back and replaced I replaced it in the whole transcription . 925.26 927.59 927.88 931.13 936.19 940.42 EN2004a D FEE081 3 934.288 935.256 934.288 935.12 Yeah . 935.12 EN2004a B FEE078 1 935.228 936.185 935.41 936.14 Mm yeah . 936.14 EN2004a B FEE078 1 940.496 941.728 940.64 941.69 That's good . That's good . 941.33 941.69 EN2004a A FEE080 0 941.936 957.662 941.96 957.49 Well , at the moment we have a lecturer that can I can never quite s tell if he's saying problem or programme . Programme problem . And it I can't actually say but when I'm listening to , I'm thinking And I can't tell . 942.05 948.98 950.95 953.75 957.49 EN2004a C FEO079 2 949.101 949.525 949.18 949.44 Yeah . 949.44 EN2004a C FEO079 2 951.076 951.617 951.15 951.56 Yeah . 951.56 EN2004a B FEE078 1 955.424 967.312 955.424 967.23 Alright . Yeah , I kn I don't know what to s tell you about n um certain speakers . I it's just something we have to deal with . 955.85 956.01 964.88 967.23 EN2004a C FEO079 2 956.115 956.563 956.23 956.44 Yeah . 956.44 EN2004a C FEO079 2 964.387 969.435 964.48 969.435 Yeah , basically th I think just do your best and hope for the best . 964.84 968.8 EN2004a A FEE080 0 967.493 972.199 967.57 972.199 Hope he's not involved with these actually . I hope he's not involved with this . 969.15 972.0 EN2004a B FEE078 1 968.368 970.463 968.62 970.27 Yeah . Yeah . 969.96 970.27 EN2004a D FEE081 3 971.248 972.297 971.248 972.21 Yeah . 972.21 EN2004a B FEE078 1 972.352 976.658 972.47 976.658 Okay . So oop , I lost my lapel lapel mic . 972.99 974.06 976.53 EN2004a A FEE080 0 976.768 979.76 976.8 979.76 That'll give some transcriber a headache . 979.71 EN2004a B FEE078 1 978.352 980.682 978.45 980.62 Yeah . Wait . 980.35 980.62 EN2004a C FEO079 2 979.68 983.376 979.7 983.34 Well , we have both head-set and lapel transcription . So it's not too bad . 979.85 982.28 983.34 EN2004a B FEE078 1 983.616 984.11 983.65 984.06 Oops . 984.06 EN2004a B FEE078 1 987.968 992.624 987.968 992.51 Least I won't be transcribing the What do I care ? 992.51 EN2004a C FEO079 2 994.463 997.614 994.55 997.614 Yeah , let's have Maarika transcribe that . 994.75 997.46 EN2004a B FEE078 1 995.927 1010.167 995.927 1010.167 Okay , so um there've there've been lots of missed filled pauses . Everybody seems to miss those , some more than others . So just really keep an ear out for those . Um 998.58 1003.12 1004.78 1005.92 1009.72 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1009.408 1021.904 1009.43 1021.904 It's easy to , 'cause you're so used to t t tuning them out , and you know it's easy when I go back over I normally g like go back to the beginning , do a quick pass of the main sections again and think ah yeah . 1010.15 1013.34 1016.26 1021.73 EN2004a D FEE081 3 1013.212 1013.969 1013.31 1013.86 Mm . 1013.86 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1013.445 1014.451 1013.49 1014.38 Mm-hmm . 1014.38 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1017.392 1017.76 1017.44 1017.73 Mm-hmm . 1017.73 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1020.56 1033.51 1020.56 1033.42 Yeah . Yeah . I I'm not sure , I miss them plenty myself . But um this this second pass we should really try to catch all of them or at least most of th yeah . 1022.22 1022.91 1024.14 1026.29 1033.42 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1029.328 1039.469 1029.35 1039.36 Um sorry , I'm just seeing this with the T_V_ , there is T_ underscore V_ underscore . I thought we're just supposed to use the underscore between letters ? No ? 1030.75 1032.95 1035.37 1039.11 1039.36 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1030.119 1030.618 1030.16 1030.48 Mm-hmm . 1030.48 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1038.176 1040.146 1038.2 1040.08 No , no . After . 1038.91 1039.56 1040.08 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1039.551 1041.888 1039.69 1041.76 That's what I thought the first day as well . 1041.76 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1040.75 1044.046 1040.86 1044.046 Okay , sorry , then I've done it wrong so far . 1041.33 1041.75 1043.16 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1043.076 1048.551 1043.14 1048.46 Okay . Yeah , it should be after every um acronym letter . 1044.24 1044.39 1048.46 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1045.328 1046.0 1045.45 1045.87 Okay . 1045.87 EN2004a D FEE081 3 1047.792 1059.143 1047.81 1059.06 You know , um you standardised all the the filled pauses , the uh and do we need to go through and change ones that people did differently . Like if I where I've written E_R_ for uh , change it all to U_ H_ , that sort of thing ? 1048.45 1050.95 1055.37 1057.42 1058.46 1059.06 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1058.528 1100.626 1058.55 1100.626 Yeah , yeah . So at this point the um the only file that's been checked is Melissa one that Melissa did , and that was checked by me . Um so w we we're starting fresh with these and , you know , changes like that that were just announced we'll we'll be able to catch for these first passes . So yeah , y if you do see um something like um U_H_M_ for um , you you would change that to the regularised v version . Um and we just ch you know , this is arbitrary , but we had to choose something and not let it get too convoluted with um with choice . 1059.13 1059.36 1067.0 1068.57 1072.09 1072.46 1078.63 1079.24 1086.13 1089.83 1091.96 1093.07 1100.42 EN2004a D FEE081 3 1067.017 1067.516 1067.06 1067.37 Mm-hmm . 1067.37 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1067.249 1067.632 1067.32 1067.54 Mm-hmm . 1067.54 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1072.16 1072.544 1072.24 1072.47 Right . 1072.47 EN2004a D FEE081 3 1076.464 1077.033 1076.48 1076.99 Yeah . 1076.99 EN2004a D FEE081 3 1078.096 1078.672 1078.14 1078.63 Okay . 1078.63 EN2004a D FEE081 3 1085.968 1087.884 1085.99 1087.85 Yeah , just change it to um . 1086.65 1087.85 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1086.771 1087.255 1086.83 1087.12 Mm-hmm . 1087.12 EN2004a D FEE081 3 1088.938 1089.72 1089.13 1089.48 Okay . 1089.48 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1094.57 1094.911 1094.62 1094.88 Yeah . 1094.88 EN2004a D FEE081 3 1094.848 1095.468 1094.87 1095.3 Yeah . 1095.3 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1103.679 1104.72 1103.8 1104.72 Here's - EN2004a A FEE080 0 1104.049 1108.273 1104.07 1108.273 So if they pause , just where you've got it highlighted at the moment 1105.24 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1108.304 1108.793 1108.37 1108.64 Uh-huh . 1108.64 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1109.824 1111.264 1109.84 1111.14 That wor the hyphen . 1111.14 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1111.68 1113.072 1111.73 1112.98 Mm-hmm , there . 1112.31 1112.98 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1112.992 1134.926 1113.01 1134.78 So I have to re-do the meetings from the minutes from the last meeting . Was she was that a like w r real definite I'm starting a new sentence here , 'cause I'd sometime if it sounds like he could carry on saying the whole sentence , I sometimes don't have a hyphen there . But is it a t any hesitation ? Okay . Okay . 1119.02 1124.33 1127.8 1130.39 1133.75 1134.46 1134.78 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1130.032 1130.996 1130.16 1130.996 Um I - EN2004a C FEO079 2 1132.008 1133.197 1132.04 1133.16 But it is a back-track . 1133.16 EN2004a D FEE081 3 1133.36 1134.062 1133.38 1133.91 Yeah . 1133.91 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1133.723 1140.777 1133.8 1140.62 Yeah , yeah . So it's not necessarily restarting the sentence , but just a restart of any type . A phrase . 1134.27 1134.6 1137.18 1139.84 1140.62 EN2004a D FEE081 3 1134.888 1137.474 1134.93 1137.44 We do the meeting . The minutes , yeah . 1135.88 1136.92 1137.44 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1137.013 1137.387 1137.08 1137.28 Right . 1137.28 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1137.78 1158.128 1137.88 1158.128 Yeah , I think of it in terms of , you know , not even maybe to well , if I th if you think of it in terms of a syntactic tree , it n doesn't have to go back all the way to the S_ node , but it just m it might go back to the last node or something like that . Yeah . 1138.24 1139.56 1140.21 1141.72 1144.43 1147.44 1151.35 1158.04 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1144.189 1144.563 1144.21 1144.44 Yeah . 1144.44 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1148.032 1148.394 1148.05 1148.31 Yeah . 1148.31 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1149.5 1166.832 1149.55 1166.832 Just one to the next door , yeah . Oh goodness , who would know what that was uh if somebody that didn't know about linguistics were trying to transcribe S_ node . Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . 1151.06 1156.39 1156.91 1162.48 1164.59 1165.75 1166.73 EN2004a D FEE081 3 1149.82 1150.602 1149.96 1150.36 Mm-hmm . 1150.36 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1151.325 1158.326 1151.38 1158.326 Yeah . Thank you for that description , Beata . 1153.08 1156.16 1158.08 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1160.983 1166.689 1161.01 1166.689 Well it's just my way of of knowing if it w sorry , 'cause linguistics is all I've ever known . 1163.34 1166.38 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1168.496 1183.434 1168.52 1183.4 Here's a uh so that answers your question about that answers your question about this one up here ? Okay . Here's where I've I heard a another sound , another false start . Um or a stutter , I would say . 1173.68 1174.32 1179.64 1181.31 1182.7 1183.4 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1171.247 1172.927 1171.27 1172.78 Sorry ? Yes , yeah . 1172.16 1172.57 1172.78 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1187.284 1188.439 1187.37 1188.27 Let me see . Oh yeah . 1187.96 1188.27 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1193.232 1196.522 1193.232 1196.42 I'm not seeing where this is . 1196.42 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1197.023 1198.578 1197.08 1198.47 You're three lines in . 1198.47 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1199.008 1200.656 1199.07 1200.53 Okay . Okay , okay . 1199.9 1200.27 1200.53 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1203.056 1203.6 1203.08 1203.56 Okay . 1203.56 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1212.096 1220.089 1212.13 1219.98 So , that kind of thing . And there was a vowel in there , but you noticed that she just used the and that's fine . The the letter D_ . 1213.15 1213.66 1215.1 1218.85 1219.98 EN2004a D FEE081 3 1212.736 1213.216 1212.77 1213.09 Mm-hmm . 1213.09 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1213.2 1213.651 1213.23 1213.59 Mm-hmm . 1213.59 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1218.656 1219.5 1218.68 1219.5 What's the - EN2004a D FEE081 3 1218.738 1219.26 1218.83 1219.08 Okay . 1219.08 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1219.152 1219.746 1219.18 1219.61 Yeah . 1219.61 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1220.352 1223.208 1220.37 1223.208 What's the C_ ? Is that a 1222.44 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1222.263 1225.938 1222.46 1225.938 That's she would like see . She 1224.8 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1225.237 1227.152 1225.35 1227.152 There's a d judgment is that that - EN2004a B FEE078 1 1234.4 1237.2 1234.42 1237.03 Oh , sorry . I didn't go f back far enough . 1234.63 1235.26 1237.03 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1237.888 1239.008 1237.91 1238.95 Oh , I've not used that button yet . 1238.0 1238.95 EN2004a D FEE081 3 1239.459 1243.776 1239.54 1243.65 Where you've written at et cetera , is that how we're supposed to be writing it ? Okay . 1241.02 1243.3 1243.65 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1242.8 1251.12 1242.82 1251.02 Yes . Um where is that . Yes , she's so she spelled it wrong . Um uh up here . 1243.88 1246.85 1247.16 1249.1 1251.02 EN2004a D FEE081 3 1247.504 1247.923 1247.52 1247.81 Yeah . 1247.81 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1249.025 1249.515 1249.08 1249.42 Where ? 1249.42 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1251.776 1252.768 1251.8 1252.73 Oh , et cetera . 1252.19 1252.73 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1252.688 1256.504 1252.92 1256.45 Yeah , so I d I mentioned that because of spelling . And yes , any g 1253.23 1254.99 1256.02 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1254.86 1255.317 1254.86 1254.86 . 1254.86 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1256.4 1257.936 1256.42 1257.9 Is it one word or is it two words ? 1257.9 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1256.806 1256.992 1256.83 1256.86 I - EN2004a B FEE078 1 1258.128 1266.002 1258.19 1265.89 It's one word . So I d I just said spelling . It's an admonishment . Sorry ? 1259.22 1263.64 1265.59 1265.89 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1258.944 1259.42 1258.96 1259.3 Okay . 1259.3 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1262.38 1265.066 1262.69 1264.96 Because I thought it would be like et alii . 1264.96 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1266.352 1270.608 1266.37 1270.608 But in sh it isn't it in Latin like et cetera , like et alii or 1269.24 EN2004a D FEE081 3 1267.526 1268.384 1267.6 1268.35 Et cetera . 1268.35 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1270.992 1275.04 1271.01 1275.04 Uh like A_T_ is uh - EN2004a C FEO079 2 1274.096 1286.419 1274.12 1286.419 No no no , like et w you know , when you have uh when you have a citation and you say et al , it means and others , et et al et alii is the full word , and et cetera means and following . So 1274.45 1275.55 1279.09 1280.32 1282.87 1285.94 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1278.993 1279.384 1279.06 1279.33 Mm-hmm . 1279.33 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1286.784 1288.544 1286.8 1288.42 In the dictionary here it's one word . 1288.42 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1287.508 1290.752 1287.53 1290.52 Yeah . Oh in it is , okay , yeah . 1288.63 1289.39 1289.87 1290.52 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1289.232 1312.16 1289.25 1312.16 Yeah , yeah , yeah . If you have any questions about spellings , I i I think I m might have sent an email to this effect , just check the Oxford English Dictionary online . Uh and that's that will be our guide . Um , so a as far as I know , this is just missing an E_ cetera . Um but anyway . You can 1289.73 1290.13 1291.35 1293.61 1296.56 1299.56 1301.89 1302.77 1304.61 1308.34 1310.79 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1298.128 1298.522 1298.16 1298.37 Mm-hmm . 1298.37 EN2004a D FEE081 3 1298.657 1299.289 1298.68 1299.21 Okay . 1299.21 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1307.296 1308.224 1307.32 1308.18 Mm-hmm , yeah . 1307.9 1308.18 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1313.532 1331.756 1313.85 1331.62 We've considered experimenting with running this through a spell check . You could take this as an Emacs file and run a spell check on it . But I think it would slow things down too much . So just hopefully i in going through this very carefully you're going to notice these misspellings . 1317.91 1322.14 1325.66 1331.62 EN2004a D FEE081 3 1317.744 1318.621 1317.93 1318.53 Mm . 1318.53 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1321.889 1322.405 1321.93 1322.28 Mm-hmm . 1322.28 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1324.546 1325.403 1324.546 1325.25 Yeah . 1325.25 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1324.929 1329.462 1325.0 1329.462 Yeah . Would give Emacs a headache as well . 1327.21 1329.4 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1326.007 1326.491 1326.03 1326.491 I think - EN2004a C FEO079 2 1331.075 1361.763 1331.14 1361.71 Yeah , I think i if somebody could write I don't know how difficult it would be in practice to write a script that would ignore um all the word fragments , anything with a hyphen . Then a spell-check might make make sense . But uh to just use simple Emacs , it will uh basically mark um all the word fragments for you , and uh , you know , and I know from experience , at some point you also get negligent , you just click okay okay okay , you know , that's not a mistake , and then you might miss a real error . So it doesn't make any sense . 1331.39 1339.93 1340.98 1343.99 1346.28 1350.92 1351.74 1352.01 1354.32 1355.92 1357.47 1357.67 1358.31 1360.43 1361.71 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1331.341 1331.674 1331.36 1331.54 Yeah . 1331.54 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1341.472 1342.784 1341.51 1342.784 Mm-hmm . 1342.65 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1350.768 1351.456 1350.84 1351.37 Mm-hmm . 1351.37 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1357.836 1358.776 1357.95 1358.66 Yeah , yeah . 1358.33 1358.66 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1359.728 1369.168 1359.75 1369.05 Right . Yeah , I th I think you're right . So we'll we will just hope that you catch it . Um That's what we'll do . 1361.33 1361.66 1362.98 1365.27 1369.05 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1365.471 1367.625 1365.56 1367.625 Mm-hmm . 1367.22 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1369.664 1371.561 1369.68 1371.561 Yeah , the C_ . Um 1369.91 1370.92 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1371.376 1372.512 1371.4 1372.512 Okay . So 1371.76 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1374.528 1375.175 1374.64 1375.11 Sorry . 1375.11 EN2004a D FEE081 3 1374.731 1375.456 1374.731 1375.456 . 1375.456 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1381.52 1384.712 1381.54 1384.56 So I think she just she didn't catch the full form . 1384.56 EN2004a D FEE081 3 1382.882 1383.764 1383.04 1383.39 Okay . 1383.39 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1383.424 1388.448 1383.44 1388.36 She was cutting off rather than saying she would like s to have see something . 1388.36 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1384.409 1384.809 1384.49 1384.72 Yeah . 1384.72 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1387.362 1392.975 1387.41 1392.83 Right , right . Yeah . She I think she meant to use the infinitive , but she just left off the to . 1387.91 1388.6 1389.65 1391.62 1392.83 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1388.384 1388.672 1388.43 1388.61 Yeah . 1388.61 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1392.496 1398.048 1392.52 1398.01 But see is a actual full word , shouldn't it there b shouldn't there be a space between see and the hyphen ? 1394.91 1398.01 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1393.776 1394.86 1393.8 1394.74 Is a whole word . 1394.74 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1399.088 1405.006 1399.11 1404.78 A space between She would like see . She would like see . 1403.17 1404.78 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1399.389 1402.208 1399.389 1402.13 You know , not to be not to be pedantic . 1399.71 1402.13 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1400.493 1401.258 1400.62 1400.96 Yeah . 1400.96 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1404.245 1407.313 1404.32 1407.2 After the no , the the C_ and the hyphen , shouldn't there be a space ? 1404.98 1406.35 1407.2 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1406.944 1409.92 1406.96 1409.88 Yes yes yes , you're right . Yeah . 1408.11 1409.62 1409.88 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1410.192 1410.528 1410.21 1410.49 Okay . 1410.49 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1410.74 1411.44 1410.85 1411.39 'Kay . 1411.39 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1411.648 1419.904 1411.67 1419.84 Exactly . Uh that was what you were m remarking about . Okay . There we go . Let me save that . Okay . 1413.25 1415.56 1416.87 1418.02 1419.41 1419.84 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1412.259 1417.61 1412.3 1417.61 Thanks , that's what I was asking . I should've just said it that way . Yeah . 1412.59 1413.57 1414.54 1417.47 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1412.658 1416.509 1412.658 1416.509 Yeah . 1416.35 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1420.992 1430.228 1421.01 1430.228 What else ? Um be careful about um finding mis-transcriptions . So um 1421.73 1427.24 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1431.897 1433.26 1431.92 1433.16 Um the would and w - EN2004a B FEE078 1 1444.014 1447.392 1444.03 1447.392 So she t she transcribed that as would . And so 1446.15 EN2004a D FEE081 3 1445.838 1446.811 1445.838 1446.64 Okay . 1446.64 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1446.264 1446.737 1446.33 1446.68 Uh-huh . 1446.68 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1446.525 1451.408 1446.56 1451.35 No . But sometimes it's really difficult , sometimes you really don't know whether they're saying will or would . 1447.66 1449.05 1451.35 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1451.76 1456.215 1451.83 1456.08 Well , I think it's quite clear there . I mean obviously there are gonna be ca 1452.09 1454.24 EN2004a D FEE081 3 1452.647 1453.794 1452.77 1453.42 That one was clear . 1453.42 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1452.754 1454.112 1452.78 1454.07 Yeah , he it it's his yeah . 1452.97 1454.07 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1455.248 1460.156 1455.27 1460.156 But if if it's not clear , do I just pick uh do you just pick the more grammatic alternative ? Or 1456.4 1459.61 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1459.833 1464.074 1459.92 1463.95 No , you try to keep it as true to what's being said . 1460.75 1463.95 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1461.977 1465.792 1462.07 1465.76 B yeah . But if it but if it's really not absolutely not clear , 1462.97 1465.76 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1466.117 1468.013 1466.29 1468.013 Then use um - EN2004a C FEO079 2 1466.896 1471.92 1466.92 1471.87 when they say instea you know , some people when they swallow up the the last bit . 1468.43 1471.87 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1472.352 1489.644 1472.42 1489.59 Mm-hmm . I'd have to hear it , because it m sounds like it could be a fragment . Uh it ju I'd just have to hear it . Um M I'd you don't want to b um be prescriptive and and type what you think they should've said . But 1474.19 1475.27 1479.27 1480.81 1489.14 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1473.216 1475.68 1473.27 1475.65 Or do we just then transcribe ? Yeah . 1475.37 1475.65 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1477.815 1478.226 1477.91 1478.18 Yeah . 1478.18 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1478.928 1479.45 1478.95 1479.4 Yeah . 1479.4 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1485.737 1487.225 1485.83 1487.15 Mm-hmm . Yeah . 1486.85 1487.15 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1488.402 1488.928 1488.45 1488.86 Yeah . 1488.86 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1490.752 1500.736 1490.79 1500.67 but I I I do know the type of scenario you're describing . I just it's just hard to answer that without hearing something . Mm . 1494.93 1499.84 1500.67 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1496.432 1496.929 1496.45 1496.81 Mm-hmm . 1496.81 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1502.416 1503.593 1502.44 1503.45 The um should be capitalised . 1503.45 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1504.592 1508.633 1504.62 1508.633 Yeah , they should all I I stopped marking them , 'cause there are just too many . But 1504.93 1507.16 1508.35 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1505.829 1506.128 1505.85 1506.03 Yeah . 1506.03 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1506.813 1507.28 1506.9 1507.24 Okay . 1507.24 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1508.48 1512.544 1508.5 1512.39 Should it ? 'Cause the loose uh is continuing from one sentence , isn't it ? 1508.99 1512.03 1512.39 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1510.451 1514.768 1510.49 1514.7 Uh let's see . Oh yeah , y you're right . Right . That's right . Okay . 1511.67 1512.19 1512.86 1513.44 1514.19 1514.7 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1511.596 1514.192 1511.71 1514.15 Oh , okay . No . Yeah . 1512.17 1513.03 1513.83 1514.15 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1518.568 1520.888 1518.75 1520.888 There was a yes in there . Um and 1520.02 EN2004a D FEE081 3 1520.237 1520.663 1520.37 1520.52 Okay . 1520.52 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1520.629 1523.536 1520.629 1523.536 Was there ? Okay . 1522.58 1523.32 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1521.801 1522.286 1521.86 1522.09 Yes . 1522.09 EN2004a D FEE081 3 1526.048 1526.922 1526.16 1526.78 Yeah . 1526.78 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1526.142 1526.682 1526.21 1526.55 Oh yeah . 1526.55 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1529.845 1533.303 1529.87 1533.303 So another missed false start . Um 1532.51 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1537.221 1543.568 1537.34 1543.568 There was creakiness on the she . But you don't need to mark that as a separate sound . Um 1538.72 1542.9 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1543.204 1551.296 1543.23 1551.26 Sometimes I've made buts after la like words after laughter , I've made them capitalised , 'cause I've not been sure if there's an if the laughter's been cutting everything off . 1546.54 1547.75 1551.26 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1551.28 1563.007 1551.38 1562.88 Mm . If it sounds like um the laughter is just um interrupting a an utterance that continues after the laughter , I wouldn't worry about capitalising . 1552.57 1560.47 1562.88 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1559.285 1559.696 1559.31 1559.65 Yeah . 1559.65 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1559.59 1560.056 1559.69 1559.95 Mm-hmm . 1559.95 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1560.659 1578.103 1560.94 1578.103 Um okay , so what about if a whole utterance is uttered while laughing ? Do you put the laughter in front ? Or in what I usu when that happens what I do is I put laughter in front , then the whole sentence and laughter in , you know , at the end as well . So 1562.45 1567.49 1569.21 1573.29 1575.83 1576.1 1577.67 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1567.984 1572.027 1567.984 1571.8 During . 1571.8 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1577.2 1581.568 1577.22 1581.48 If you hear just laughter on either side , yeah , do that . 1580.39 1580.7 1581.48 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1580.528 1583.089 1580.61 1582.98 Yeah . No , but it's it's laughter th throughout . 1581.04 1581.15 1582.98 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1583.111 1586.737 1583.17 1586.737 Yeah , yeah , mm I don't know , we'll have to I'll 1583.9 1584.63 1585.9 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1586.059 1593.112 1586.14 1592.8 Yeah . There's some people laughing themselves silly at absolutely nothing while while they speak . 1586.76 1592.8 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1590.329 1600.963 1590.329 1600.46 Okay , so laughter during speech . I'll f I'll talk to Melissa and Jean . S 1593.35 1597.43 1600.24 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1596.412 1596.894 1596.5 1596.75 Mm-hmm . 1596.75 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1599.307 1618.817 1599.41 1618.73 Because in the ICSI dialogues um they always say , you know , while laughing , and we don't do that . So They say either so there it's really not ambiguous whether it's just laugh followed by an a normally spoken utterance or whether it's an utterance spoken while laughing . I think there is a distinction there and we don't have that . 1602.59 1602.95 1603.76 1605.31 1616.61 1618.73 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1604.708 1605.465 1604.82 1605.28 Mm-hmm . 1605.28 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1609.215 1609.632 1609.28 1609.58 Mm-hmm . 1609.58 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1616.608 1617.216 1616.67 1617.12 Mm-hmm . 1617.12 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1618.736 1624.707 1619.04 1624.57 No , we don't have any qual tags like they use . But um I'll f I'll 1619.21 1621.66 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1619.796 1620.211 1619.82 1620.13 Yeah . 1620.13 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1625.68 1630.688 1625.79 1630.58 I'll figure that one out and put it up on the wiki or email you . 1630.58 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1627.815 1628.114 1627.84 1628.0 'Kay . 1628.0 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1631.776 1636.978 1631.776 1636.75 Good question . I've come across that as well . Mm , see . 1632.86 1634.83 1636.18 1636.75 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1644.544 1653.424 1644.57 1653.32 Oh yeah , I don't know what that that noise was indicating . Um we can skip on . There are other types of things I wanna point out . 1645.2 1649.09 1651.12 1653.32 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1654.448 1657.232 1654.51 1656.93 Um let's see . 1656.93 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1665.607 1667.504 1665.81 1667.504 Morse code . 1667.1 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1682.128 1683.239 1682.2 1683.11 Was that circuit ? 1683.11 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1682.417 1684.579 1682.5 1684.579 Okay . 1684.51 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1684.185 1688.128 1684.185 1688.128 I figure if she is a person that calls circuit circuit - EN2004a B FEE078 1 1685.66 1686.084 1685.69 1686.084 Did you - EN2004a C FEO079 2 1685.746 1686.157 1685.78 1686.07 Morse . 1686.07 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1688.048 1690.2 1688.08 1690.13 Did she say circuit ? I didn't really hear that . 1689.25 1690.13 EN2004a D FEE081 3 1689.943 1690.949 1690.02 1690.76 How do you know it's that ? 1690.76 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1690.624 1697.184 1690.69 1697.184 I'm not sure if she did . Just um if it's her , I just caught the end of it and 1693.22 1695.81 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1691.344 1694.88 1691.36 1694.74 So would would you have been tempted to put an asterisk after that ? 1694.74 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1700.371 1702.25 1700.53 1702.17 Uh yeah . 1702.17 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1700.441 1704.688 1700.55 1704.45 No , not for that one . But I had one person who said circuit . The . 1700.68 1701.54 1704.04 1704.45 EN2004a D FEE081 3 1700.781 1702.152 1700.83 1701.95 Cir circuit . 1701.95 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1701.848 1702.472 1701.94 1702.37 Yeah . 1702.37 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1703.871 1704.952 1703.9 1704.952 Oh , okay . 1704.05 1704.75 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1703.879 1716.769 1703.98 1716.71 But then I w but then I wouldn't put an asterisk on it . I thought asterisk is something where um it's c it's pronounced as a totally different word , like evaluation and evolution . No ? Okay . 1707.57 1713.23 1715.47 1716.26 1716.71 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1714.816 1720.896 1714.84 1720.86 No , not necessarily . No , it's just something that the speech recognizer is liable to trip up on , I think . 1715.19 1716.1 1716.35 1720.44 1720.86 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1719.43 1726.608 1719.46 1726.5 Oh . Yeah , cause I this is a very frequent mistake that no native speakers make , to say circuit instead of circuit . 1720.42 1720.9 1724.75 1726.5 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1724.022 1724.505 1724.05 1724.4 Mm-hmm . 1724.4 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1726.368 1738.887 1726.44 1738.81 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . Um y that may be , but I probably would flag it . I depending on how how different the vowel sound was . It's gonna be your call in a lot of these cases . 1726.91 1727.6 1729.57 1731.78 1736.21 1738.81 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1735.007 1735.514 1735.08 1735.36 Mm . 1735.36 EN2004a D FEE081 3 1736.455 1737.014 1736.53 1736.83 Oops . 1736.83 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1737.505 1750.022 1737.6 1750.022 Yeah , something like if ha I did that one 'cause it is well , a language teacher wouldn't low allow that to mo move on to the next stage . That wouldn't they wouldn't let that pass . Sort of . 1738.18 1741.11 1744.67 1748.98 1749.83 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1746.48 1752.157 1746.55 1752.157 Mm . Okay , here 1751.27 1751.71 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1746.573 1750.464 1746.63 1750.464 Mm . 1750.16 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1751.569 1754.039 1751.69 1754.039 Or I wouldn't . If somebody that , I'd point it out to them . 1752.26 1752.86 1753.76 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1753.949 1761.696 1753.949 1761.63 Here's a case of um where I found it n uh found a case of discontinuity . 1761.63 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1765.299 1775.647 1765.44 1775.55 But you know , because she's a non-native English speaker , I don't I don't know . Maybe that was grammatically n uh 1767.14 1769.56 1771.97 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1776.688 1782.35 1776.75 1782.35 unmarked for her . If you know what I mean . Maybe that wasn't uh her re-starting , maybe sh that was 1777.7 1779.21 1781.15 EN2004a D FEE081 3 1778.368 1778.925 1778.39 1778.8 Yeah . 1778.8 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1781.888 1787.046 1781.91 1787.01 Yeah , 'cause otherwise you could end up putting a hyphen after every hesitation mark that you have . 1782.11 1787.01 EN2004a D FEE081 3 1785.296 1786.496 1785.296 1786.27 Yeah . 1786.27 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1785.578 1793.072 1786.32 1793.072 Mm mm-hmm , mm-hmm . So again I don't know . That w that was my reflex at the time to put that there . But 1786.86 1787.7 1789.09 1791.9 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1789.87 1790.352 1789.9 1790.352 Just if - EN2004a A FEE080 0 1792.88 1796.698 1792.9 1796.62 Just a prosodic marker rather than an actual hesitation . 1796.62 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1796.758 1798.521 1796.83 1798.521 Yeah . Well 1798.04 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1797.987 1800.448 1798.05 1800.37 Uh as in a whole s like back-channel . 1800.37 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1802.178 1804.473 1802.29 1804.31 Unless you kinda get Right . 1804.31 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1809.558 1813.127 1809.65 1813.127 Oh yeah , sorry . I th I just read the rest of the sentence . 1810.12 1810.61 1812.9 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1812.464 1813.712 1812.48 1813.68 Is push buttons two words ? 1813.68 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1814.65 1825.938 1814.85 1825.86 Uh yeah , yeah . Yeah , I would type it as two . Mm okay , I'm gonna skip ahead . Oh , let's see , there was a c 1815.85 1816.84 1817.44 1820.54 1822.26 1824.21 1824.48 1825.38 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1816.457 1817.588 1816.68 1817.45 I used one word . 1817.45 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1818.848 1819.312 1818.87 1819.27 Okay . 1819.27 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1833.856 1844.266 1833.91 1844.13 So I I hear she would quite clearly there and I think a good number of them you'll be able to resolve just just helps to have the context and be able to listen to it again . 1844.13 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1835.624 1836.081 1835.68 1836.03 Yeah . 1836.03 EN2004a D FEE081 3 1836.272 1836.88 1836.29 1836.84 Yeah . 1836.84 EN2004a D FEE081 3 1840.016 1840.505 1840.04 1840.43 Okay . 1840.43 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1843.317 1846.824 1843.34 1846.45 Well it could be she would or should as well . Yeah . 1846.22 1846.45 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1845.632 1850.922 1845.65 1850.922 Well . Okay . Yes , it could be a lot of things . Um 1846.3 1847.8 1848.18 1849.85 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1858.821 1863.145 1858.9 1863.03 So there is there is another case where there wasn't a space between uh - EN2004a D FEE081 3 1862.376 1862.809 1862.44 1862.71 Right . 1862.71 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1864.624 1867.328 1864.67 1867.21 a non-word fragment and um - EN2004a C FEO079 2 1866.016 1866.416 1866.05 1866.37 Mm . 1866.37 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1868.277 1879.127 1868.33 1879.127 a re-start . Okay . What else . There is an extra little symbol in here , and that was just kinda carelessness . Um 1870.01 1871.0 1872.81 1874.5 1878.15 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1882.48 1909.97 1882.54 1909.97 So d even if it's something as brief as mm-hmm , we're we're gonna go ahead and capitalise that . And Maarika asked me what to do in the case of an utterance just consisting of laughter , do we do we use punctuation in these cases , and I don't know . I haven't been . I don't think it's necessary . Yeah . Uh no . Um 1885.68 1888.32 1895.78 1899.01 1900.33 1901.83 1904.19 1905.22 1908.61 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1901.12 1903.972 1901.2 1903.972 I haven't either . It's just too silly . 1902.81 1903.67 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1902.161 1904.4 1902.27 1904.4 No . 1904.35 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1905.589 1907.952 1905.61 1907.952 'Cause it's not linguistic . 1907.91 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1909.158 1912.65 1909.24 1912.43 Well , not yeah . I know , I yeah , you could think of an argu 1909.47 1910.15 1910.8 1911.21 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1909.906 1932.762 1909.906 1932.762 I'm just thinking of uh you know an utterance consisting entirely of laughter and then putting like punctuation in , like . Sorry . 1918.49 1928.94 1932.64 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1919.712 1934.959 1919.712 1934.959 Or should we start it if we start the conversation in the common room , like is laughter linguistic , then they could come up with a theory . But 1931.49 1933.05 1934.44 EN2004a D FEE081 3 1922.828 1927.287 1923.13 1927.287 Someone's gonna have fun transcribing that now . 1927.11 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1928.24 1929.6 1928.31 1929.31 Delete and collapse . 1929.31 EN2004a D FEE081 3 1933.652 1934.672 1933.652 1934.672 Yeah . 1934.47 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1935.731 1946.232 1935.82 1946.16 I'm trying to underst I'm trying to interpret my note here . Delete and collapse the surrounding segments . Okay , I guess there there just really wasn't enough to transcribe there . Yeah . 1938.39 1940.87 1941.39 1945.74 1946.16 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1941.353 1941.996 1941.42 1941.88 Oh , d 1941.68 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1945.744 1950.425 1945.76 1950.23 Yeah , because it was it was really just silence and you're asking the person to just get rid of . 1945.9 1950.23 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1950.208 1963.84 1950.27 1963.84 Yeah . So like I said , click down here just to if you haven't learned that trick already . And that won't play any surrounding segments . So there's nothing there worth transcribing . Um 1950.66 1951.57 1955.47 1958.29 1962.06 EN2004a C FEO079 2 1954.049 1954.609 1954.12 1954.45 Yeah . 1954.45 EN2004a D FEE081 3 1955.692 1956.191 1955.78 1956.11 Mm-hmm . 1956.11 EN2004a D FEE081 3 1960.144 1960.608 1960.25 1960.52 Okay . 1960.52 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1968.005 1970.784 1968.41 1970.784 Uh - EN2004a A FEE080 0 1972.56 1978.856 1972.62 1978.64 Oh , I just noticed the the random yeahs , like with having the hyphen before they're s 1973.31 1977.13 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1980.378 1981.808 1980.49 1981.76 Uh if you scroll up a little way . 1981.76 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1981.888 1982.488 1981.93 1982.33 Uh-huh . 1982.33 EN2004a A FEE080 0 1986.592 2000.506 1986.61 2000.43 Yeah , that ha um the second one from the top . Thinking I'm gonna have to go back and find my places where I've had someone pausing and then saying yeah yeah and then this that I've not had I need to go back and find uh p put hyphens in . 1986.9 1989.34 2000.43 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1989.303 1989.795 1989.34 1989.74 This one ? 1989.74 EN2004a B FEE078 1 1998.72 2001.533 1998.74 2001.5 Oh so you haven't put a hyphen there . I see , I see . Yeah . 2000.44 2000.85 2001.33 2001.5 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2000.556 2000.967 2000.66 2000.86 Mm . 2000.86 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2003.024 2003.935 2003.04 2003.83 Okay . 2003.83 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2004.416 2005.44 2004.44 2005.41 Hyphens or commas ? 2005.41 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2006.8 2012.096 2006.82 2012.096 Commas . Commas did you say ? Oh 2008.48 2010.55 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2009.191 2009.773 2009.24 2009.74 Yeah . 2009.74 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2013.44 2015.792 2013.46 2015.73 For g for that s type of situation ? 2015.73 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2014.182 2017.776 2014.23 2017.776 No , s alright . No , I've I've th I've sort it out . 2014.48 2015.07 2015.18 2017.73 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2016.429 2016.84 2016.45 2016.77 Yeah . 2016.77 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2017.153 2017.719 2017.2 2017.62 Yeah , okay . 2017.38 2017.62 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2017.771 2026.023 2017.88 2025.83 Actually , um a couple of times where they've repeated a word , I've put a comma between them . Should that be no comma ? Oh , r okay . 2018.9 2021.27 2022.56 2024.44 2025.43 2025.83 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2024.352 2036.023 2024.37 2036.023 Commas are fine . I mean they're eventually they're going to be extracted globally , so it doesn't matter how you use the comma . Yeah , we can just wipe them out in one fell swoop . 2025.27 2028.66 2031.1 2031.34 2035.85 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2027.808 2028.26 2027.85 2028.12 Right . 2028.12 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2029.168 2030.436 2029.168 2030.22 Oh right , okay . 2029.81 2030.22 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2029.564 2030.587 2029.77 2030.46 Alright , okay . 2030.26 2030.46 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2030.218 2031.457 2030.24 2031.36 Oh . Okay . 2030.91 2031.36 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2032.95 2039.983 2032.95 2039.983 Okay . 'Cause I get I get quite prolific with my commas at times . So um 2034.98 2037.65 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2033.134 2035.786 2033.27 2035.786 So we don't have to worry about commas . Okay . 2034.87 2035.58 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2034.362 2034.726 2034.49 2034.68 Yeah . 2034.68 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2037.328 2071.866 2037.46 2071.68 I I am too . I I like commas and then uh Steve Renals , who's project manager , had a look at m I think it was my transcriptions . What are all these commas doing in here ? But he didn't he ultimately he said it wasn't a problem . They will I th they'll help in the case of discourse marking , but his point was that they're really subjective , I mean something that you the transcriber here Yeah , yeah . I really like using commas . Oh . 2038.59 2041.24 2042.73 2045.22 2047.93 2053.26 2056.32 2059.08 2065.55 2066.2 2070.8 2071.68 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2041.872 2042.253 2041.89 2042.2 Yeah . 2042.2 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2044.975 2046.131 2044.975 2046.06 Okay . 2046.06 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2051.28 2052.317 2051.3 2052.05 Okay , cool . 2051.76 2052.05 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2059.603 2060.416 2059.66 2060.37 Yeah . 2060.37 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2062.596 2063.076 2062.62 2063.04 Yeah . 2063.04 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2063.636 2065.382 2063.66 2065.382 Just to make sense of a sentence . 2064.98 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2065.239 2065.838 2065.31 2065.75 Yeah . 2065.75 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2070.347 2078.368 2070.347 2078.368 I I read somebody's P_H_D_ proposals yesterday and s and it's saying , well , you could have a comma in here and one there and 2074.46 2074.72 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2076.208 2089.312 2076.208 2089.312 Sh oh , she spelled cutest um with an I_ , so that that's just something I pointed out . Okay , what else ? Um 2079.86 2082.12 2085.82 2086.47 2087.7 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2076.81 2086.079 2076.81 2086.079 What does cutest spelling mean ? Oh , okay . Okay . 2082.24 2082.57 2084.9 2085.66 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2083.264 2084.387 2083.46 2084.387 Oh yeah . 2084.25 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2088.246 2088.936 2088.29 2088.83 Cutest ? 2088.83 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2089.064 2090.352 2089.064 2090.31 E_ S_ T_ . 2090.31 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2090.512 2098.499 2090.63 2098.499 Thank you . That one step behind . 2096.67 2098.12 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2091.001 2096.001 2091.001 2096.001 So here's let's see . Now this was our 2094.39 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2100.479 2105.502 2100.65 2105.502 So she typed uh our and I I didn't quite hear that . But 2105.09 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2102.736 2103.466 2102.8 2103.36 Oh okay . 2103.36 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2108.124 2112.272 2108.18 2111.71 But I you can see how it could've been , I don't know . 2111.22 2111.71 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2108.373 2108.797 2108.43 2108.68 Oh . 2108.68 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2108.608 2109.072 2108.63 2109.02 Oh . 2109.02 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2109.586 2110.518 2109.61 2110.47 Yeah . 2110.47 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2111.143 2114.66 2111.25 2114.38 Well , if you were Cockney , then Sorry . 2111.46 2112.74 2114.38 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2113.717 2117.344 2113.717 2117.01 Yeah , I don't know . 2116.58 2117.01 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2116.675 2124.458 2116.71 2124.37 Sometimes you get like an uh and it g you're not sure if it's an , an A_ , yeah , or an m it Yeah . 2120.74 2121.68 2121.86 2124.37 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2120.804 2121.785 2120.84 2121.785 A_ or - EN2004a B FEE078 1 2122.048 2129.76 2122.07 2129.62 Right . And you can never know , but if it fits well enough as a as an indefinite article , then you might as well . 2122.73 2123.7 2128.05 2129.62 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2126.147 2127.128 2126.2 2126.72 As an . 2126.72 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2128.144 2130.432 2128.2 2130.31 Yeah , do it as Okay . 2128.58 2130.31 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2129.76 2132.044 2129.78 2132.044 So which did you dec uh did - EN2004a B FEE078 1 2131.392 2136.377 2131.64 2136.33 Oh , I was s I was suggesting that sh it be uh instead of our . 2132.13 2136.33 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2141.856 2142.498 2142.1 2142.498 But - EN2004a A FEE080 0 2142.448 2147.517 2142.47 2147.517 Evaluation . The z z 2144.16 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2143.904 2154.019 2143.904 2153.83 Yeah , I it's tricky , it gets ambiguous . Um I don't know . 2147.39 2149.4 2151.6 2153.83 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2143.999 2144.606 2144.13 2144.45 Yeah . 2144.45 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2145.461 2147.623 2145.64 2147.623 Several vowels in there . 2147.34 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2149.408 2150.589 2149.5 2150.47 Evaluala ? 2150.47 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2157.75 2160.527 2157.89 2160.527 Uh what's this ? Well oh , she's 2158.9 2159.52 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2162.818 2172.506 2163.0 2172.506 I hear the well there . The but this being a head-set mic channel m may make it easier to hear . She transcribed from the lapel mic . Uh 2164.38 2169.75 2172.18 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2164.127 2164.634 2164.2 2164.54 Yeah . 2164.54 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2164.205 2164.579 2164.24 2164.49 Yeah . 2164.49 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2164.163 2164.77 2164.27 2164.68 Yeah . 2164.68 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2168.068 2168.617 2168.12 2168.57 Yeah . 2168.57 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2171.728 2180.91 2171.76 2180.85 I've had one person with a dodgy headphone with with dodgy something where most of the time it's it's as if they've got their hand over something . 2180.85 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2174.453 2176.608 2174.55 2176.48 Oh . Oh . 2175.91 2176.48 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2180.816 2219.142 2180.87 2218.59 Oh God . And you transcribed that speaker entirely ? If that comes up again , we've got um headset mic files now . In fact , they replaced all the lapel mic files on the M_M_M_ server with head-set mic files , which we weren't asking them to do , but anyway they did it . And so now we don't have the lapel mic files . Apparently the headset mic files are are just a bit louder . And so you'll f probably find yourself turning the volume down considerably . But but apparently other than that they're just as good . But let us know , because we can retrieve the the other files . 2181.79 2186.26 2187.26 2190.21 2190.71 2195.86 2197.9 2200.07 2203.33 2206.72 2209.7 2213.68 2214.84 2218.59 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2181.568 2182.468 2181.69 2182.33 That's harsh . 2182.33 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2183.513 2187.668 2183.62 2187.668 Yes , the uh yeah , it w it's for 2184.28 2186.91 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2190.296 2190.752 2190.38 2190.71 Right . 2190.71 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2195.096 2195.545 2195.17 2195.43 Mm-hmm . 2195.43 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2195.52 2196.085 2195.69 2195.96 Hmm . 2195.96 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2195.781 2196.696 2195.8 2196.32 Oh okay . 2196.32 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2206.684 2207.1 2206.78 2207.01 Right . 2207.01 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2206.714 2207.179 2206.82 2207.12 Right . 2207.12 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2210.0 2212.406 2210.0 2212.406 Thank you for the warning . 2212.31 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2213.472 2213.803 2213.49 2213.69 Right . 2213.69 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2217.328 2248.526 2217.43 2248.33 Yeah , with some people it actually leads to some really screeching noises , because they're so loud or probably the mic is so close . I had this one um in one of the first dialogues I did , the g this guy called Ed , you could uh always see the waveform actually , you know , being just hitting um the b the boundaries on on both ends and just being at some points just black segments . And when he was talking there was this whole , like you know when you speak to close to a microphone , and that was really horrible . 2217.64 2221.75 2224.92 2227.99 2229.68 2232.04 2232.84 2242.36 2244.42 2246.95 2248.33 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2235.135 2236.316 2235.21 2236.316 Yeah . 2236.21 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2247.824 2253.142 2247.824 2253.142 Lot of people that say is this on and they hit it a few times . No . 2251.74 2252.96 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2251.328 2264.336 2251.328 2264.23 Oh . Okay . I don't think I'm gonna go through uh any more of these , because I I think I've gotten through most of the types that I meant to point out . 2254.65 2255.6 2258.79 2264.23 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2257.301 2257.9 2257.43 2257.83 The rest . 2257.83 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2261.351 2261.817 2261.4 2261.72 Hmm . 2261.72 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2264.336 2273.317 2264.36 2273.26 How about names that somebody says the name of somebody and you think , who ? And you don't know how to spell the name or if you heard the right name . 2268.8 2269.78 2273.26 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2266.565 2267.255 2266.65 2267.15 Mm . 2267.15 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2269.568 2277.04 2269.63 2277.01 Uh right , right . Um what are we going to do for that . 2273.19 2274.09 2277.01 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2276.538 2277.361 2276.57 2277.29 Mister Ed . 2277.29 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2278.0 2278.464 2278.02 2278.36 Sorry ? 2278.36 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2278.635 2295.892 2278.73 2295.892 Oh , I had one guy , one of the project managers was um he had a really weird accent and he was calling um one guy Mister Ed . His name was Ed , and it took me a whole time to , you find out that it was actually Mister Ed . Or 2278.87 2279.95 2288.69 2289.88 2292.35 2295.48 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2288.546 2289.278 2288.6 2289.22 Mister Ed . 2289.22 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2288.581 2289.412 2288.63 2289.3 Mister Ed ? 2289.3 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2294.536 2298.76 2294.63 2298.76 Yeah . Or myst mystery Ed or something . 2295.09 2298.67 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2296.931 2302.928 2296.95 2302.89 Yeah . No , but that it wasn't one word , that it wasn't like some proper name starting with M_ . 2298.32 2298.48 2299.82 2302.89 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2297.871 2298.462 2297.98 2298.462 Oh it - EN2004a D FEE081 3 2301.248 2301.862 2301.27 2301.77 Yeah . 2301.77 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2302.983 2305.072 2303.09 2305.072 Mm-hmm . 2305.01 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2303.08 2304.304 2303.1 2304.304 Mister Ed . 2303.73 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2305.376 2315.792 2305.7 2315.64 I d I did see s I've been looking at some guidelines for another corpus and I did see something about proper names , so I'll I'll have a look at that and see how we can handle that here . 2312.08 2315.64 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2312.259 2321.232 2312.47 2321.232 Yeah . Well , but don't you guys have um have this data ? Know the people na people's names , like when you 2313.85 2314.78 2318.79 2320.47 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2313.096 2313.562 2313.16 2313.51 Right . 2313.51 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2318.621 2318.995 2318.69 2318.995 What - EN2004a B FEE078 1 2321.264 2340.464 2321.264 2340.464 Uh yeah , quite possibly , but since it's coming from ICSI uh it's coming from IDIAP in Switzerland , yeah , it w it should be easy enough to get , but it's it's one other step , you know , emailing somebody to find out who knows this information . Anyway , it's 2323.39 2324.03 2328.91 2329.72 2331.21 2333.16 2333.92 2336.78 2337.28 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2322.338 2326.328 2322.338 2326.27 Collect the data , th aren't people filling out a form or something ? 2323.87 2326.27 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2335.235 2336.848 2335.3 2336.81 Okay . Yeah . 2336.39 2336.81 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2338.656 2341.667 2338.77 2341.62 No , but it's information that we theoretically have . 2338.86 2341.62 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2341.968 2364.64 2342.19 2364.57 Yeah , yeah , because everyone signs a consent form when they participate in the experiment . So we ought to be able to get that . But but there shou we should also have a w a means of dealing with proper names when we don't know what it is or how it might be spelled at all and and flagging that in in some way . So I'll th I'll I'll try to address both things . 2342.73 2343.0 2346.83 2348.91 2361.86 2364.57 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2343.406 2343.763 2343.48 2343.65 Mm . 2343.65 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2347.584 2351.502 2347.6 2351.502 We didn't sign one . 2350.98 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2357.532 2358.064 2357.63 2357.94 Mm-hmm . 2357.94 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2364.195 2364.602 2364.26 2364.52 Mm-hmm . 2364.52 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2364.56 2374.352 2364.59 2374.352 Okay . What was Mister again ? I can't remember seeing how to transcribe Mister . M_ M_R_ Mister 2365.12 2366.77 2370.39 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2368.288 2369.908 2368.39 2369.908 Mister just to - EN2004a B FEE078 1 2369.456 2387.598 2369.48 2387.37 Oh , just just type Mister fully . I M_I_S_T_E_R_ , yeah . And same with missus , M_I_S_S_U_S_ , I believe . Is it I believe I believe check check the dictionary . That yeah , but you would never um type the abbreviated spelling for anything . 2369.61 2372.47 2373.94 2374.42 2375.51 2377.18 2378.08 2381.87 2383.21 2387.37 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2371.697 2373.152 2371.8 2373.152 Yeah . No , M_ 2372.48 2372.7 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2372.362 2374.133 2372.43 2373.99 M_ I_ S_ T_ E_ R_ . 2373.99 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2376.351 2381.725 2376.45 2381.725 Mi U_S_ Mi Missus , the Missus . 2378.4 2381.56 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2377.356 2382.496 2377.53 2382.45 Okay , Missus . Missus . 2378.0 2381.91 2382.45 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2378.092 2378.574 2378.11 2378.44 Sorry ? 2378.44 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2382.592 2384.091 2382.61 2384.091 Missus ? Um 2383.23 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2383.363 2383.959 2383.38 2383.72 Yeah . 2383.72 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2386.527 2388.44 2386.63 2388.37 What if somebody calls themselves Ms ? 2388.37 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2386.686 2387.135 2386.83 2387.05 Right . 2387.05 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2389.028 2393.936 2389.24 2393.82 Um well , I'm sure there's a spelling in the O_E_D_ , yeah . 2391.52 2393.25 2393.82 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2389.921 2393.032 2389.98 2392.89 I mean it's not not that it ever happened , but yeah . 2391.68 2392.89 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2389.95 2391.605 2390.0 2391.605 M_ I_ Z_ ? 2391.27 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2392.84 2402.142 2392.9 2402.142 Yeah . So um about um foreign words , what do we when we're checking um if we come up something so we just leave it as 2394.21 2397.23 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2396.724 2397.29 2396.81 2397.17 Uh-huh . 2397.17 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2399.935 2408.698 2400.06 2408.698 Oh right . So the transcriber's enclosing everything in carets , and what you would do is 2400.65 2405.05 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2401.467 2401.954 2401.52 2401.954 Is that - EN2004a D FEE081 3 2404.688 2405.403 2404.71 2405.17 Yeah . 2405.17 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2404.675 2407.227 2404.76 2407.09 Yeah . Not come across any yet . 2406.16 2407.09 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2407.298 2412.587 2407.4 2412.587 I got one , which I it was French , so I knew how to ex spell it . 2408.93 2409.9 2412.48 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2409.184 2409.591 2409.2 2409.42 Oh . 2409.42 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2411.232 2411.792 2411.25 2411.63 Yeah . 2411.63 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2411.599 2437.398 2411.89 2437.35 That's a good question , because you will be leaving question marks there . Um okay . Right . Um it shouldn't , because things are going to be left like the asterisk will be left for the proc the subsequent processing . But carets with question marks in-between would have to be resolved in some way . 2412.78 2415.25 2419.61 2421.9 2424.76 2431.83 2437.35 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2415.119 2415.859 2415.21 2415.7 Yeah . 2415.7 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2417.632 2421.104 2417.8 2420.85 I mean if it's in carets and they know it's foreign , does that matter ? 2420.39 2420.85 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2428.383 2430.162 2428.41 2430.13 Yeah , and the at symbol . 2429.08 2430.13 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2430.211 2430.716 2430.3 2430.67 Yeah . 2430.67 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2437.504 2442.752 2437.52 2442.71 Or could we just change it to an at between the carets ? 'Cause it's only intelligible theoretically . 2440.6 2442.71 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2440.011 2450.482 2440.14 2450.482 Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . I I suppose that's all we can do really . You're not supposed to be polyglot transcribers here . 2441.14 2442.03 2442.54 2445.08 2450.42 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2442.1 2442.674 2442.29 2442.64 Yeah . 2442.64 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2444.921 2445.569 2445.01 2445.51 Yeah . 2445.51 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2447.584 2449.947 2447.584 2449.947 Yeah . 2449.34 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2447.719 2453.132 2447.719 2452.99 Oh , so even if we know what that word means we're not supposed to right . 2449.71 2452.99 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2452.395 2458.44 2452.45 2458.37 Oh yeah yeah . If you if if f it's a foreign word and you know what it is , just enclose it in carets . 2453.26 2456.51 2458.37 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2457.0 2473.36 2457.17 2473.28 Yeah . Yeah , 'cause I have there is one dialogue where I think two speakers are French , like one is definitely French , and I know she is saying and then somebody s saying something to her and she goes comment and then you know you know that , so yeah . 2458.47 2458.78 2462.61 2464.27 2471.62 2473.28 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2469.216 2469.721 2469.27 2469.59 Mm-hmm . 2469.59 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2469.36 2478.656 2469.36 2478.656 Yeah . Yeah , yeah . If you if you're confident that you've got a fair grasp on French for example , why not . 2471.66 2472.09 2472.39 2476.99 2478.19 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2474.368 2474.88 2474.4 2474.7 Okay . 2474.7 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2476.014 2480.055 2476.014 2479.87 . Oh , not really , but on comment , yeah . 2476.014 2477.32 2477.79 2479.67 2479.87 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2477.071 2481.696 2477.19 2481.696 And not accidentally translating in the process . 2481.65 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2480.492 2499.852 2480.61 2499.73 Yeah . Okay . Um there is there is just one other thing , she she typed okay um in caps . O_ c c O_ capital O_ capital K_ and huge no-no , I don't know why she missed that in the in the guidelines . Yeah . 2482.6 2483.36 2485.65 2490.82 2495.27 2499.45 2499.73 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2489.28 2490.176 2489.3 2490.12 Oh yeah , I saw it there . 2489.64 2490.12 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2491.922 2492.446 2491.98 2492.25 Ok - EN2004a C FEO079 2 2494.218 2495.731 2494.35 2495.731 No . 2495.65 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2496.243 2496.752 2496.26 2496.72 Yeah . 2496.72 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2497.824 2498.412 2497.84 2498.34 There it was . 2498.34 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2498.96 2503.872 2498.98 2503.82 Are we doing okay just as O_ K_ , not as a O_K_A_Y_ ? 2501.97 2503.82 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2501.294 2502.084 2501.32 2501.98 Okay . 2501.98 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2503.889 2504.388 2503.99 2504.29 No . 2504.29 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2503.868 2530.208 2504.05 2530.17 It is O_K_A_Y_ . Yeah , yeah . Okay . Okay . Well , it will be your jobs to catch all of these things . So no um n no transcriber will be checking no checker will be checking their t own transcription . Yes . Yes . So we will catch these things 2506.1 2506.82 2509.02 2510.22 2511.08 2511.99 2516.07 2525.59 2526.23 2526.79 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2505.472 2511.924 2505.53 2511.924 A_ Y_ , alright , oops . 2506.01 2506.55 2511.73 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2506.95 2518.735 2506.95 2518.735 Okay , oops . 2517.89 2518.55 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2513.182 2516.626 2513.182 2516.626 Someone's gonna find some of those . 2516.49 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2518.348 2519.313 2518.348 2519.313 Yeah . 2519.11 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2522.26 2523.133 2522.39 2522.86 Their own . 2522.86 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2523.68 2525.095 2523.71 2525.05 Checking their own work . 2525.05 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2523.848 2525.351 2523.89 2525.29 Checking their own transcription . 2525.29 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2526.016 2526.416 2526.04 2526.18 Right . 2526.18 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2526.833 2529.404 2526.9 2529.404 No transcriber will be checking their own transcriptions . 2529.33 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2530.496 2532.399 2530.76 2531.99 Have to remember that one now . 2531.99 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2531.98 2538.88 2532.05 2538.85 more efficiently , I think . And on so I'll just go up to the board do I have to keep this stuff on ? 2533.36 2534.46 2538.85 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2538.928 2541.19 2538.928 2540.97 Probably . 2540.97 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2539.312 2548.603 2539.312 2548.603 Guess it depends how far you can stretch . Oh yeah , 'cause every time somebody'd be going over there you'd hear all this sound of 2542.97 2543.29 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2540.976 2542.672 2541.1 2542.62 Oh yeah , they've got clips . 2541.51 2542.62 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2543.622 2548.986 2543.68 2548.55 Right , I'm mobile . Alright . 2544.51 2548.13 2548.55 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2545.15 2548.597 2545.37 2548.42 D Yeah . Wrestling to the white-board . 2547.0 2548.42 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2547.993 2551.327 2548.1 2551.327 Yeah , I can hear the chairs moving and the 2548.38 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2550.607 2554.908 2550.69 2554.73 And about five or six breaks in the between is the making it a . 2554.73 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2553.305 2554.86 2553.305 2554.75 Yeah . 2554.75 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2555.28 2569.424 2555.69 2569.38 Okay . So I guess just for the sake of using the white-board and killing a little more time I'll just write down the things that are most common to be checked . So let's see . So oh , okay . Now . 2556.2 2564.15 2566.4 2567.27 2568.98 2569.38 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2569.244 2571.408 2569.32 2571.37 Oh , the white-board marker has a camera as well . 2569.47 2571.37 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2571.392 2576.006 2571.392 2575.94 looks like some piece of medical equipment . 2575.94 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2573.28 2573.904 2573.31 2573.87 Wow . 2573.87 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2574.583 2584.576 2574.66 2584.3 Okay , s alright . Rather this is a list of things to do as the checker . So you wanna listen to the silent regions . 2574.94 2578.03 2580.32 2584.3 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2585.488 2585.939 2585.52 2585.78 Mm-hmm . 2585.78 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2586.384 2591.048 2586.61 2590.99 Then check the speech regions . 2590.99 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2593.172 2599.264 2593.19 2598.77 And as part of that you want to um check the boundaries . 2598.77 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2603.888 2606.72 2603.91 2606.72 And oh , by the way , this should be um 2604.54 2604.95 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2607.792 2611.264 2608.16 2610.77 Um transcribe - EN2004a B FEE078 1 2613.888 2616.272 2613.91 2616.0 any missed speech . 2616.0 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2621.01 2632.656 2621.06 2632.656 And just let's see what else . Okay . And within this checking the speech segments , you want to listen for or look for missed um 2622.92 2623.66 2628.01 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2633.76 2640.158 2633.87 2639.93 Look for missed punctuation , 2639.93 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2643.539 2646.242 2643.73 2646.19 filled pauses , 2646.19 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2650.278 2673.078 2650.47 2673.078 words in stuttering . And if you have um if you have a stuttered word , you don't need to use the hyphen to mark discontinuity . It's just so if somebody says the the , then it's just the the . Um words in st uh 2654.97 2658.57 2662.49 2666.06 2669.21 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2663.488 2664.098 2663.64 2664.03 Okay . 2664.03 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2669.12 2669.554 2669.14 2669.47 Oh yeah . 2669.47 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2677.264 2681.944 2677.34 2681.89 And what else . Try to get f false starts . 2679.44 2681.89 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2686.752 2696.938 2686.98 2696.78 Short words , make sure with little words like the and uh , little articles and that kind of thing don't get omitted . Um short words and word fragments . 2688.26 2690.96 2694.94 2696.78 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2699.089 2702.016 2699.21 2701.98 Those are the commonly missed things . 2701.98 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2707.461 2713.656 2707.57 2713.43 And then um look for cases of mis-transcription - EN2004a B FEE078 1 2715.264 2767.812 2715.264 2767.812 Seems so silly to be writing this all . But anyway , Mis-transcription , so make sure if the speaker said will , you type will not would or um if they say we , even though it might be more grammatically correct to type we're , um that kind of thing . Um tha cases of ellipsis , where um maybe the transcriber typed them , but really what was said was 'em , so where you use the apostrophe . And look for capitalisation I'm not gonna gonna do any more of this . Capitalisation . Spelling . Um , use the O_E_D_ to check on things you don't know about . Um refer to the wiki for all regularised spellings and f for things like filled pauses . Oh , was that 2718.81 2720.62 2721.84 2725.02 2728.9 2732.43 2734.06 2735.96 2739.71 2742.74 2745.48 2750.24 2751.79 2752.95 2753.68 2757.55 2767.15 2767.34 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2741.579 2742.177 2741.71 2742.02 M_ . 2742.02 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2743.148 2743.665 2743.22 2743.52 Mm-hmm . 2743.52 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2748.983 2749.47 2749.0 2749.29 Oh . 2749.29 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2760.515 2760.989 2760.63 2760.92 Mm-hmm . 2760.92 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2765.904 2766.851 2765.92 2766.76 I just remembered one . 2766.76 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2768.576 2774.103 2768.6 2773.86 Okay , when it's just as 'kay , but it's at the beginning of a sentence , should the K_ be capitalised ? 2769.17 2770.41 2772.38 2773.86 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2773.582 2777.028 2773.71 2776.94 No well apostrophe and then K_ A_ Y_ . 2776.94 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2773.792 2775.216 2773.792 2775.06 W - EN2004a B FEE078 1 2774.666 2775.073 2774.76 2775.04 W - EN2004a B FEE078 1 2776.896 2782.336 2776.92 2782.336 And then , yeah , capitalise the K_ . Yeah . And 2777.31 2777.5 2778.4 2781.21 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2778.32 2781.881 2778.34 2781.881 Good . 2781.75 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2781.385 2783.618 2781.5 2783.24 That marker smells really bad . 2783.24 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2783.285 2837.676 2783.31 2837.676 I think smells really good . I used to always love smelling markers . What else did I find . Um the so make sure the da the dash , the hyphen , whatever you call it , is being used appropriately in cases of discontinuity , um but not in stuttering , like I said . And and don't use it when the utterance is clearly continued in the next segment or whatever . Um don't transcribe in-breaths or out-breaths . And okay should never be um two capital letters , it should be O_K_A_Y_ . Um and one other thing is to break break up long segments if you find any . So 2784.79 2795.52 2797.36 2800.27 2800.73 2801.65 2805.92 2807.9 2809.96 2816.84 2821.41 2826.74 2829.56 2836.89 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2784.558 2788.067 2784.558 2788.067 You've been doing this too long . 2787.97 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2790.728 2794.954 2790.78 2794.954 It probably became addicted to the fumes . 2794.69 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2794.848 2796.03 2794.87 2796.03 Grease paint . 2795.86 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2813.181 2813.668 2813.24 2813.53 Mm-hmm . 2813.53 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2813.998 2814.946 2814.18 2814.78 Okay . 2814.78 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2835.488 2835.915 2835.52 2835.82 Mm-hmm . 2835.82 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2837.219 2837.936 2837.25 2837.9 Over a minute . 2837.9 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2838.64 2846.705 2838.8 2846.66 Yeah , but that's a kind of crude guideline . I'd I'd say just anything that seems unmanageable . 2839.63 2842.8 2846.66 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2842.799 2843.29 2842.88 2843.16 Mm-hmm . 2843.16 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2845.28 2850.439 2845.3 2849.89 Okay . So if something is a minute and three seconds I can still have it , right ? 2846.53 2849.63 2849.89 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2849.222 2877.33 2849.38 2877.24 Ah . Yeah , yeah . Really uh it it means nothing to say a minute , it's just a g a really crude guideline . I would just try to keep segments very manageable um and a but u you know , use these wave-forms to help you . And you can adjust the resolution so that Oh . That didn't help me too much , but you can use this little slide bar to adjust the resolution . Actually that doesn't seem to be working . 2849.82 2850.19 2850.41 2853.66 2855.42 2860.76 2864.12 2870.11 2872.22 2875.71 2877.24 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2852.874 2853.306 2852.95 2853.2 Mm-hmm . 2853.2 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2864.016 2864.613 2864.04 2864.52 Yeah , b 2864.33 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2875.913 2878.176 2875.96 2878.14 Um if you just click on one of the arrows . 2878.14 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2880.234 2880.992 2880.31 2880.77 Which o - EN2004a C FEO079 2 2880.912 2884.697 2880.93 2884.697 Um in in the resolution thingy , um it will 2883.84 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2881.184 2882.833 2881.31 2882.74 The arrows by the resolution . 2882.74 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2885.776 2891.024 2885.8 2890.98 Yeah , on this one . No , not not the other one , this one . Yeah . 2886.28 2887.53 2887.79 2889.78 2890.72 2890.98 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2887.072 2887.616 2887.17 2887.58 Yeah . 2887.58 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2887.575 2889.472 2887.63 2889.44 Not that one . The other arrow next to it . 2888.39 2889.44 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2890.512 2890.768 2890.53 2890.73 Yeah . 2890.73 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2891.056 2895.392 2891.17 2895.13 Right , okay , okay . So yeah . 2891.53 2891.87 2892.57 2895.13 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2891.173 2893.452 2891.173 2893.34 Oh . Is that zoom in ? 2892.53 2893.34 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2893.472 2893.805 2893.49 2893.7 Yeah . 2893.7 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2893.728 2898.282 2893.75 2898.282 Yeah . Oh , and you can also if you go to signal and 2894.84 2894.99 EN2004a D FEE081 3 2897.024 2897.486 2897.04 2897.39 Wow . 2897.39 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2899.344 2904.509 2899.36 2904.47 Um that's it's something under signal , where you can adjust the amplitude as well , on resolution . 2901.72 2903.43 2904.47 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2904.824 2906.048 2904.95 2906.01 Mm-hmm . 2906.01 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2907.04 2907.504 2907.06 2907.504 Um - EN2004a B FEE078 1 2908.352 2909.664 2908.4 2909.56 Oh okay , right . 2909.06 2909.56 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2909.408 2914.384 2909.43 2914.34 Then you can also wait . No , I think that's not if you go to control panel . 2912.3 2912.39 2914.34 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2909.616 2910.049 2909.66 2909.95 Oh . 2909.95 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2914.416 2915.216 2914.5 2915.17 Uh-huh . 2915.17 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2915.696 2918.304 2915.72 2918.27 Signal control panel . No no , signal , control pan 2917.03 2917.3 2917.67 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2919.156 2919.728 2919.36 2919.69 Hmm ? 2919.69 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2920.576 2925.803 2920.6 2925.803 Um the vertical zoom , you can adjust that as well , so if it seems too flat for you or you can't really 2922.09 2923.27 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2924.288 2937.323 2924.31 2937.23 Ooh . Ah . That might have made it s 'cause I I appear to have nothing . But I was hearing stuff , but I g there was nothing on my wave-form . It's kinda hard to find where everything was . 2925.76 2927.55 2932.27 2933.33 2935.2 2937.23 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2925.212 2932.41 2925.25 2932.41 Ah right , that's good . Okay . That's excellent . Alright . 2926.36 2927.26 2929.09 2930.03 2932.34 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2927.645 2928.735 2927.75 2928.735 Yeah . 2927.97 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2932.951 2933.425 2933.0 2933.27 Yeah . 2933.27 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2936.831 2937.513 2936.9 2937.3 Yeah . 2937.3 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2937.216 2960.311 2937.24 2960.311 Oh that's that's good to know . Okay . Yeah , so to help you make cuts , just look look f you know , use this wave-form and make sure you're not l losing any signal information . But um cutting segments down is a l a low priority , but it it will help ultimately , I think , post-processing wise . I don't 2939.26 2940.81 2941.12 2943.09 2944.43 2949.24 2954.07 2957.3 2958.54 2959.88 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2939.061 2939.976 2939.1 2939.91 Control panel . 2939.91 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2954.785 2955.142 2954.84 2955.1 Right . 2955.1 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2959.914 2963.905 2959.94 2963.905 I think I've gone a bit far in cutting mine down at the moment . 2963.6 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2962.465 2992.432 2962.465 2992.432 Yeah , you don't don't get excessive about it . 'Cause that just ends up taking too much time . But I d I think from a speech recognition point of view it shouldn't matter , these segments being whatever length that they happen to be . I've seen other p people's transcription guidelines like f for the um ICSI project at Berkeley and elsewhere say indicating that it really doesn't matter and it's the point is just to get 'em into manageable units . And 2963.73 2965.47 2968.95 2974.26 2977.49 2991.02 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2967.408 2967.798 2967.44 2967.7 Mm-hmm . 2967.7 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2973.952 2974.928 2973.97 2974.87 No , probably not . 2974.44 2974.87 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2976.769 2977.217 2976.79 2977.09 Mm . 2977.09 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2977.351 2977.75 2977.4 2977.7 No . 2977.7 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2987.322 2987.787 2987.4 2987.69 Mm-hmm . 2987.69 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2989.633 2990.207 2989.75 2990.09 Okay . 2990.09 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2990.24 2990.624 2990.28 2990.53 Mm-hmm . 2990.53 EN2004a A FEE080 0 2991.674 2997.338 2991.69 2997.338 Easy for checking at any rate , rather than having to listen to a whole Anything . 2992.86 2997.15 EN2004a C FEO079 2 2993.255 2993.895 2993.36 2993.8 Yeah . 2993.8 EN2004a B FEE078 1 2996.066 3055.044 2996.18 3054.97 Yeah . Yeah , yeah . Yeah , that's true actually , that's the best reason for cutting them down , but hopefully the that'll be done during the first pass , because that's the whole point . Making the checkers' job a little easier . Um and then , yeah , just m um be sure after you've gone through the four channels to um do a search on all the unknowns , all the um cases of ambiguity or whatever . And what else was I gonna say ? The way we'll be allocating this is is the same as before , th it's gonna be on the th the same the same page , just further down . Scroll down , you'll see w all the files . And uh I've already allocated some some things to be checked . So if you run out of work , go ahead and start checking , because this is something that's um considerably um bottle-necked at the moment . 2997.06 2997.69 2998.72 2999.02 3000.13 3001.96 3004.78 3007.26 3009.64 3011.19 3011.51 3019.75 3024.12 3029.26 3033.74 3037.42 3038.36 3038.9 3042.4 3046.53 3048.9 3050.0 3054.97 EN2004a A FEE080 0 3004.992 3005.425 3005.03 3005.3 Mm-hmm . 3005.3 EN2004a A FEE080 0 3035.911 3037.075 3035.97 3037.04 The work allocation page . 3037.04 EN2004a C FEO079 2 3040.619 3041.093 3040.67 3040.94 Mm . 3040.94 EN2004a D FEE081 3 3040.991 3044.773 3040.991 3044.773 I turned the page . 3044.35 EN2004a D FEE081 3 3047.105 3047.887 3047.25 3047.71 Okay - EN2004a A FEE080 0 3054.529 3054.941 3054.58 3054.87 Right . 3054.87 EN2004a D FEE081 3 3054.846 3056.747 3055.19 3056.62 So is this the priority then ? 3056.62 EN2004a B FEE078 1 3056.815 3101.248 3056.92 3100.63 Yeah , I'd say for now um w we don't even have uh much new stuff to be uh to be gone over for a first pass . So it's important that we d um do this second pass . And I've indicated in a column whether something is priority . M I think I high typed high if it's high priority . Um so d those would be the ones you would focus on first , obviously . And when it come you don't want to change the file-name in any way . Just keep it the same . Um there there is going to be a checking in procedure . I don't know if anybody's mentioned this before , but you'll you'll know about this with the C_V_S_ server . So th 3057.41 3065.84 3068.98 3074.24 3079.26 3082.26 3083.47 3088.37 3089.9 3093.12 3095.4 3099.99 EN2004a D FEE081 3 3064.2 3066.48 3064.26 3066.42 Transcri yeah . 3066.42 EN2004a C FEO079 2 3073.378 3073.793 3073.44 3073.67 Mm-hmm . 3073.67 EN2004a C FEO079 2 3077.076 3077.467 3077.16 3077.37 Mm-hmm . 3077.37 EN2004a D FEE081 3 3093.576 3094.135 3093.64 3094.01 Mm-hmm . 3094.01 EN2004a C FEO079 2 3099.12 3107.67 3099.17 3107.59 Mm yeah . Well , I don't know about I know about this for the summarisation , I haven't done this with uh transcription yet . Yeah . 3100.3 3100.46 3103.45 3107.26 3107.59 EN2004a D FEE081 3 3103.12 3109.454 3103.12 3109.454 Turn the page . Did you get the little buzz buzz ? 3105.84 3109.27 EN2004a A FEE080 0 3104.512 3107.856 3104.512 3107.76 It do yes . 3107.76 EN2004a B FEE078 1 3105.36 3132.232 3105.36 3132.16 Right , but it's be s y similar . But they're they're creating a their a guy Jonathan is creating a web form for you to do this all very simply and like just um upload everything that you've uh up upload the file that you've transcribed and and you'll be noting whether it's the first pass or the second pass and y your name um as the person who did that particular pass . And that will happen soon . I'll let you know . 3106.25 3108.27 3129.89 3131.29 3132.16 EN2004a C FEO079 2 3112.667 3113.075 3112.74 3113.01 Mm-hmm . 3113.01 EN2004a C FEO079 2 3114.44 3114.906 3114.49 3114.77 Yeah . 3114.77 EN2004a A FEE080 0 3118.458 3120.478 3118.54 3120.37 Checking in page . Oh right . 3119.71 3120.37 EN2004a A FEE080 0 3126.415 3126.931 3126.5 3126.74 Mm-hmm . 3126.74 EN2004a D FEE081 3 3132.176 3138.635 3132.2 3138.5 So do we just open the file as we open the files for the first pass , like open up the sound file and then it sh 3135.47 EN2004a B FEE078 1 3135.734 3136.465 3135.96 3136.38 Yeah . 3136.38 EN2004a B FEE078 1 3137.513 3208.336 3137.57 3208.336 Yeah , you'll have to I would suggest creating a f folder um called files to be checked or something like that . Yeah , and then within that create a s create sub-folders for the the given meeting and you'll have to get all the sound files unfortunately from the M_M_M_ server on your own , because the the AMI server's not very reliable for getting these sound files uncorrupted . So you'll have to get all the sound files from the M_M_M_ server and the person's transcription file should be in that folder where you're putting yours . Um and then you'll just uh yeah d you'll copy that over , you won't don't move it over , because we wanna have multiple versions of these things , but yeah , copy it into your directory and keep the same name . And then when you check it in , it will automatically be registered even though the the first pass was checked in when we're doing this checking in business , um it will know which pass it is , but I think you'll also be indicating that as well . 3137.88 3146.2 3146.79 3159.6 3167.59 3175.81 3181.5 3183.19 3187.31 3187.68 3191.4 3192.82 3200.92 3204.55 3208.18 EN2004a D FEE081 3 3145.28 3146.667 3145.3 3146.41 In your home directory . 3146.41 EN2004a D FEE081 3 3150.672 3151.324 3150.672 3151.22 Okay . 3151.22 EN2004a D FEE081 3 3152.121 3152.662 3152.23 3152.58 Yep . 3152.58 EN2004a D FEE081 3 3175.704 3176.752 3175.704 3176.62 Okay . 3176.62 EN2004a D FEE081 3 3184.638 3186.276 3184.79 3186.08 Then you'll lose it , yeah . 3185.44 3186.08 EN2004a D FEE081 3 3203.216 3203.712 3203.24 3203.59 Okay . 3203.59 EN2004a A FEE080 0 3208.384 3227.191 3208.44 3227.191 Uh it's vaguely connected question . Um , you You'll know . Um originally the like when we first like replied , say yes if you're interested in doing this , it said six weeks , and the contracts say eighth of May , which is longer in advance than which is a greater amount of time than six weeks . 3211.03 3212.11 3213.67 3217.31 3218.46 3219.37 3221.71 3227.02 EN2004a B FEE078 1 3210.672 3211.122 3210.74 3211.06 Uh-huh . 3211.06 EN2004a B FEE078 1 3219.44 3219.968 3219.52 3219.79 Mm-hmm . 3219.79 EN2004a B FEE078 1 3225.465 3261.2 3225.51 3261.2 Yeah , it's it' actually six what is it ? Is it three months , I think ? Yeah . Yeah . They're they're three-month contracts and now , if you can't keep that , that's fine . But it's just a logistic thing with personnel where where we ha that was the minimum we were able to offer a contract for . So if you have to bow out , let us know as soon as you know when you you're gonna have to stop . Yeah , yeah , obviously those kinds of things are things we'll have to work around , but um yeah , it's just one of those details . 3225.94 3227.88 3229.04 3230.03 3231.33 3232.04 3234.13 3236.02 3236.86 3243.8 3245.54 3251.0 3251.82 3252.53 3255.44 3257.41 3261.03 EN2004a D FEE081 3 3228.963 3232.657 3228.98 3232.46 Sh Yeah , someone said three months . Yeah . 3229.75 3232.07 3232.46 EN2004a C FEO079 2 3229.206 3231.661 3229.31 3231.59 Um I've got a three month contract , yeah . 3231.23 3231.59 EN2004a A FEE080 0 3229.453 3229.924 3229.56 3229.924 That's - EN2004a A FEE080 0 3236.875 3237.391 3236.95 3237.22 Okay . 3237.22 EN2004a A FEE080 0 3238.789 3239.247 3238.9 3239.14 Right . 3239.14 EN2004a A FEE080 0 3242.094 3244.298 3242.2 3244.22 Okay , that's . Cool . 3243.2 3244.01 3244.22 EN2004a D FEE081 3 3242.784 3244.189 3242.83 3244.12 Oh , okay . 3243.43 3244.12 EN2004a A FEE080 0 3247.056 3247.472 3247.08 3247.39 Right . 3247.39 EN2004a A FEE080 0 3248.98 3254.389 3249.02 3254.389 When it gets into the holidays and we're not necessarily around in the holidays and and - EN2004a D FEE081 3 3250.768 3251.585 3250.81 3251.25 Mm . 3251.25 EN2004a A FEE080 0 3257.248 3257.597 3257.27 3257.49 Right . 3257.49 EN2004a A FEE080 0 3259.599 3260.855 3259.67 3260.855 Just checking . 3260.6 EN2004a D FEE081 3 3260.317 3271.608 3260.42 3271.53 Okay . Once we actually get into the like um Easter holidays , 'cause we're at having lectures at the moment , can we be more flexible with our hours if we wanna sort of I mean depending on who's using the computers . 3260.96 3263.76 3266.19 3271.53 EN2004a B FEE078 1 3265.808 3266.272 3265.87 3266.19 Mm-hmm . 3266.19 EN2004a B FEE078 1 3268.416 3291.775 3268.44 3291.64 I should think so . I mean the whole point w of keeping well , as long as you're able to , yeah , work out use of your computer with the other person , that's fine , yeah . The the whole point of having m regular hours was to make sure that somebody was here to answer your questions . But you've got keys , so so you should be able to get in during odd hours if if you wanted to work . 3269.4 3272.17 3273.42 3273.84 3277.01 3277.89 3278.46 3284.99 3286.82 3291.64 EN2004a D FEE081 3 3276.191 3276.939 3276.23 3276.83 Yeah . 3276.83 EN2004a D FEE081 3 3277.928 3278.528 3278.0 3278.48 Okay . 3278.48 EN2004a D FEE081 3 3283.6 3284.768 3283.62 3284.71 Yeah , sure . 3284.3 3284.71 EN2004a A FEE080 0 3284.878 3286.558 3284.97 3286.5 Or else you can like p yes . 3286.5 EN2004a D FEE081 3 3286.157 3287.296 3286.157 3287.22 Yes . Yep . 3287.1 3287.22 EN2004a D FEE081 3 3290.549 3291.289 3290.72 3291.289 If want - EN2004a A FEE080 0 3291.064 3295.753 3291.11 3295.753 And if you can plug microphones into Apple Appleton Tower computers , I can do it there as well if you wanted me 3293.97 EN2004a B FEE078 1 3294.704 3315.777 3294.72 3315.777 Yeah , yeah . Yeah , I don't see why not , as long as you're , you know , doing your given set of hours for the week . Yeah . And um yeah . Paym I I think you'll all be paid . I think you'll all be paid uh well , have you not 3295.33 3295.83 3295.99 3297.06 3298.01 3298.82 3303.51 3304.37 3307.42 3311.76 3315.16 EN2004a D FEE081 3 3296.062 3296.76 3296.17 3296.65 Okay . 3296.65 EN2004a D FEE081 3 3298.366 3299.397 3298.49 3299.27 Know what you're doing . 3299.27 EN2004a A FEE080 0 3300.304 3303.162 3300.32 3303.162 We could meet up and have a session . 3303.02 EN2004a D FEE081 3 3310.144 3312.975 3310.144 3312.975 Phew . 3312.08 EN2004a A FEE080 0 3310.276 3313.497 3310.276 3313.497 That's a nice way to put it . 3313.34 EN2004a A FEE080 0 3314.508 3338.161 3314.57 3338.02 I'm having sort some s I'm having to sort some tax stuff out before I can even send my stuff in , 'cause I need to make sure I'm sending them the right form . But they won't even know what examining board I got my A_ levels in . Yeah , for human resources . I thought , surely you don't need that information , 'cause it took me it was about to take me half an hour well it did when I was like just going through the forms and filling in all the details , I thought I'm not going to spend w 3319.55 3322.03 3326.44 3326.85 3327.85 3328.74 3330.62 3336.22 EN2004a D FEE081 3 3318.233 3319.405 3318.233 3319.26 Oh . 3319.26 EN2004a B FEE078 1 3318.215 3320.193 3318.36 3320.15 Mm . Okay . 3319.63 3320.15 EN2004a C FEO079 2 3320.119 3320.643 3320.17 3320.54 Mm-hmm . 3320.54 EN2004a B FEE078 1 3321.626 3322.249 3321.73 3322.14 Okay . 3322.14 EN2004a D FEE081 3 3321.952 3322.577 3321.97 3322.45 Yeah . 3322.45 EN2004a B FEE078 1 3325.552 3331.514 3325.57 3331.514 Really ? 3331.15 EN2004a A FEE080 0 3339.392 3351.6 3339.41 3351.6 A couple of hours getting photo-copies of degree certificates to give you for your files if I'm just gonna be here a good th they won't I think it th at one place it said give us copies of degrees ? Oh , maybe I'm getting mixed up with something else , but it wanted a 3349.32 3349.67 3350.96 EN2004a B FEE078 1 3341.29 3347.6 3341.29 3347.42 No , that's certainly not necessary . 3345.48 3347.42 EN2004a C FEO079 2 3341.255 3341.592 3341.29 3341.46 Yeah . 3341.46 EN2004a B FEE078 1 3349.152 3350.56 3349.23 3350.27 Mm no . 3350.27 EN2004a D FEE081 3 3353.235 3354.067 3353.235 3354.067 . 3354.067 EN2004a B FEE078 1 3353.312 3353.918 3353.37 3353.918 Well it - EN2004a A FEE080 0 3353.632 3356.428 3353.65 3356.3 A_ level like examining board , which seemed a bit ridiculous . 3355.04 3356.3 EN2004a B FEE078 1 3356.64 3378.528 3356.68 3378.27 If you have any th problems like that , mm um see Caroline Hastings . I mean if it's for this job and and getting paid , that that's not necessary and Caroline Hastings ought to be able to help you sort that out . But j also if if pay is a matter um like if it's a matter that you haven't gotten paid for some reason , um I hope that's not not the case . 3359.51 3361.4 3364.57 3369.15 3376.25 3378.27 EN2004a A FEE080 0 3362.208 3364.823 3362.23 3364.67 Right . Mm-hmm . Yeah . 3363.3 3364.49 3364.67 EN2004a C FEO079 2 3363.145 3363.669 3363.27 3363.53 Mm . 3363.53 EN2004a D FEE081 3 3363.272 3363.906 3363.34 3363.84 Yeah . 3363.84 EN2004a A FEE080 0 3366.651 3367.483 3366.75 3367.39 Didn't think so . 3367.39 EN2004a C FEO079 2 3367.569 3369.425 3367.569 3369.1 Excuse me . 3369.1 EN2004a D FEE081 3 3375.44 3376.104 3375.48 3375.97 Yeah . 3375.97 EN2004a C FEO079 2 3377.425 3384.8 3377.48 3384.76 Yeah , I haven't gotten paid for the first two weeks , 'cause um I w I only have a three month contract starting February , but I started mid-January . 3377.68 3379.33 3383.39 3384.76 EN2004a B FEE078 1 3383.04 3383.699 3383.14 3383.59 Mm-hmm . 3383.59 EN2004a B FEE078 1 3385.296 3404.252 3385.6 3404.252 Talk to Caroline . Yeah , 'cause I've I really don't know um why that would be . I'm here full-time now , so I'll I'll be here m Monday through Friday and I l I leave at four now , so you won't find me anytime after that . But 3387.4 3387.63 3392.03 3393.52 3398.94 3403.52 EN2004a C FEO079 2 3385.998 3386.497 3386.04 3386.36 Yeah . 3386.36 EN2004a D FEE081 3 3386.976 3387.537 3387.08 3387.43 Oh . 3387.43 EN2004a A FEE080 0 3392.202 3392.576 3392.29 3392.47 Mm . 3392.47 EN2004a A FEE080 0 3393.84 3394.289 3393.96 3394.18 Alright . 3394.18 EN2004a C FEO079 2 3393.931 3394.389 3394.02 3394.24 Okay . 3394.24 EN2004a C FEO079 2 3399.153 3400.56 3399.2 3400.42 Mm-hmm . Okay . 3400.14 3400.42 EN2004a C FEO079 2 3401.732 3402.273 3401.86 3402.22 Alright . 3402.22 EN2004a C FEO079 2 3403.663 3406.174 3403.68 3406.174 Is your husband now a stay-at-home-dad ? 3406.08 EN2004a B FEE078 1 3405.52 3417.92 3405.54 3417.86 Yeah , my husband's at home with the baby . Yeah , yeah . He's uh four and half months . 3406.29 3410.52 3411.18 3416.11 3417.86 EN2004a D FEE081 3 3408.656 3409.338 3408.76 3409.24 Wow . 3409.24 EN2004a A FEE080 0 3409.145 3416.155 3409.19 3416.12 Oh , so it is your baby then on the photos . One assumes this . How old now ? 3409.47 3412.92 3415.31 3416.12 EN2004a A FEE080 0 3417.856 3419.344 3418.11 3419.344 Oh . 3418.68 EN2004a B FEE078 1 3419.232 3422.128 3419.25 3422.0 It's very lovely . A nice jolly little baby . 3420.37 3422.0 EN2004a C FEO079 2 3421.53 3422.752 3421.59 3422.6 He's sleeping through . 3422.6 EN2004a A FEE080 0 3422.426 3426.159 3422.5 3426.159 Yeah , that's the question I was just gonna ask , does he sleep ? 3422.76 3424.11 3425.04 EN2004a B FEE078 1 3424.064 3434.537 3424.064 3434.46 Yeah , well um only as of Friday actually . So he was uh I was just telling Melissa this do you want us to stop ? Yeah , yeah . 3425.78 3429.98 3433.82 3434.1 3434.46 EN2004a A FEE080 0 3429.312 3429.884 3429.33 3429.71 Wow . 3429.71 EN2004a C FEO079 2 3434.117 3435.572 3434.15 3435.46 Yeah . 3435.46 EN2004a A FEE080 0 3434.304 3437.008 3434.304 3436.9 Alright . 3436.9 EN2004a B FEE078 1 3436.204 3439.33 3436.35 3439.33 Yeah yeah . Oh good , that worked out well . 3437.03 3437.4 3439.18 EN2004a D FEE081 3 3436.645 3437.36 3436.78 3437.13 Okay . 3437.13 EN2004a A FEE080 0 3441.216 3443.632 3441.25 3443.6 Oh , do we have to tick our note thing again when we finish this ? 3441.43 3443.6 EN2004a D FEE081 3 3442.864 3444.896 3442.88 3444.44 Oh yeah . Absolutely . 3443.84 3444.44 EN2004a A FEE080 0 3444.848 3445.664 3444.93 3445.63 To say that we've - EN2005a B FEE083 1 0.0 8.856 0.02 8.56 Five years just because of the floods bringing the ceilings down . So On its great joy . 5.98 8.56 EN2005a A MEO082 0 3.528 6.746 3.72 6.55 Alright , is it it's ready . Okay , great . 3.95 5.92 6.19 6.55 EN2005a D FEE085 3 11.419 12.498 11.5 12.34 Aren't they suing him ? 12.34 EN2005a B FEE083 1 13.524 35.345 13.59 35.31 I think they probably ought to , but uh they well , they've only just started realising that treating this as a legal issue is probably the right way to look at it . So they're not really the sort of people that are up for understanding um the intricacies of the committee , I guess . I mean i you would have thought they could , but it's r it's actually quite hard work . The law isn't very clear . 15.5 17.85 22.54 29.57 30.44 31.89 34.09 35.31 EN2005a D FEE085 3 21.799 22.356 21.89 22.22 Mm-hmm . 22.22 EN2005a D FEE085 3 34.045 36.736 34.15 36.54 Can't th can't they get legal aid ? 36.54 EN2005a B FEE083 1 37.914 55.422 38.03 55.36 That's a good question . They p they uh they might be able to . It's just it's so strapped now , um you know , like the Citizens Advice Bureau is so hard to actually get access to because they've they have so many cases and so few people . So But yeah , that's probably the next thing they'll have to do . 39.57 41.91 43.53 44.2 51.66 53.23 55.36 EN2005a D FEE085 3 52.432 52.925 52.55 52.76 Hmm . 52.76 EN2005a D FEE085 3 55.524 55.931 55.62 55.81 Mm-hmm . 55.81 EN2005a A MEO082 0 57.098 58.595 57.32 58.48 Yeah , everything's okay . 57.66 58.48 EN2005a D FEE085 3 63.248 67.03 63.38 66.86 Are we supposed to count to ten or something ? We don't have to do all that ? 65.67 66.86 EN2005a C FEO084 2 68.263 69.046 68.43 68.96 Yeah , mm-hmm . 68.72 68.96 EN2005a D FEE085 3 68.679 69.358 68.74 69.18 Okay . 69.18 EN2005a D FEE085 3 91.472 90.461 68.74 69.18 Okay . 69.18 EN2005a C FEO084 2 70.391 70.882 70.54 70.75 Hmm . 70.75 EN2005a B FEE083 1 71.87 72.227 71.94 72.14 M - EN2005a B FEE083 1 87.44 87.854 87.47 87.66 Mm-hmm . 87.66 EN2005a A MEO082 0 88.017 91.268 88.06 91.14 Okay . Okay , okay , yeah . 89.43 90.03 90.86 91.14 EN2005a B FEE083 1 89.592 131.563 89.592 131.21 Okay . Yeah . Right . Well um I thought the right thing to do was to review what Wei-Xun's been doing in the area of dialogue structure for work package one over the last period . So basically for him to talk about what he what progress he's been making and then for us to um for hi for him to describe what work he intends over the next period of the project , and for us to figure out what help he needs with that . Um m maybe give him some help figuring out what publications he's gonna um get out of this and for us to make sure that it fits into the overall project . 89.9 94.26 95.69 108.15 118.32 121.87 131.21 EN2005a A MEO082 0 92.648 93.58 92.7 93.48 Okay , thanks . 93.01 93.48 EN2005a D FEE085 3 92.81 93.739 92.89 93.62 Thank you . 93.62 EN2005a C FEO084 2 93.68 94.304 93.74 94.12 Thank you . 94.12 EN2005a D FEE085 3 121.356 121.941 121.42 121.84 Mm-hmm . 121.84 EN2005a B FEE083 1 131.563 152.967 131.78 152.86 So um this is something that you know , we're not gonna do everything today , but I wanted to make sure that we sort of all aligned on what he was doing at the moment and and then sort of figured out how to give him the best advice coming up . So that's that's why I called this . 137.49 139.02 150.78 152.86 EN2005a D FEE085 3 151.504 152.24 151.52 152.24 Okay , so 151.78 EN2005a A MEO082 0 151.474 154.95 151.59 154.87 Okay . Okay , thanks . Yeah . 153.23 153.74 154.71 154.87 EN2005a D FEE085 3 154.702 158.13 154.75 158.04 You're gonna give a presentation for us then . Great . 157.63 158.04 EN2005a A MEO082 0 156.534 171.814 156.61 171.71 Yeah , yeah a very or a quick uh slides . So um I've been here for fourteen month , I think . Yeah , so I've a accustomed to the environment here and enjoy staying here . So mm uh 157.28 159.97 163.55 163.96 164.4 170.2 EN2005a A MEO082 0 173.233 220.034 173.29 219.96 from uh last year I was uh uh s uh supervising the annotation of segmentation , summarisation uh uh with Jean uh of the I uh IC ICSI corpus and uh uh uh on the other hand uh I w n uh did s some very preliminary work on chunking the switchboard corpus . But uh that was not uh well picked up in the AMI corpus , which is supposed to be . So uh and currently I'm more interested in see uh uh , yeah , analysing the discourse structure in multi-party meetings . This is what I'm going to present here . So uh 183.17 197.47 202.6 204.66 211.44 211.6 215.68 218.63 EN2005a D FEE085 3 185.344 185.902 185.45 185.78 Mm-hmm . 185.78 EN2005a D FEE085 3 196.398 196.93 196.48 196.82 Mm-hmm . 196.82 EN2005a A MEO082 0 222.059 234.04 222.08 234.04 uh in this presentation I'm going to see how we could analyse utterance to utterance relations in multi-party meetings . Um 233.46 EN2005a A MEO082 0 235.955 288.471 235.98 288.44 'Cause meetings is a lit different from normal text or a n a normal dialogue or monologue . So interactivity is a concept is a concept that I'm using to distinguish the two uh uh extremes of uh of interac uh of discourse in meetings . And uh for dialogues uh and monologues I think we might have to use different uh concepts to m m uh model the discourse structure . Then uh I w I will uh give a very uh rough plan for the next uh couple of month . And finally I I will intr i introduce some related work , yeah . So 242.87 258.61 271.44 283.35 286.99 287.94 EN2005a A MEO082 0 290.291 321.287 290.36 321.18 the big question that I'm concern here is what's the relationship between utterances in multi-party meetings , or how do we analyse discourse structure right above utterances instead of uh those high level intentional structure of discourse ? So the concern here is about the very local low level utterance-to-utterance relations in multi-party meetings . Uh this is the local discourse structure . 299.05 308.48 317.58 321.18 EN2005a A MEO082 0 321.287 355.369 321.5 355.29 So the uh building block of that kind of uh structure would be the uh utterance and possibly one of its properties , the dialogue act which we're currently uh working on or uh and uh for meetings , yeah , so I've mentioned uh uh before that meetings is a bit different from uh monologue and uh dialogues . 333.95 342.43 342.74 355.29 EN2005a A MEO082 0 357.556 401.362 357.64 401.19 So uh in meetings I uh from my uh reading of the one of the AMI meetings I_S_ one O_ eight , uh the uh the four meetings , I noticed that uh uh the interaction , degrees of interaction in the meetings uh varies from parts to parts . So for some part uh the interaction is very strong . So it's obviously a dialogue . But uh for some part part where the interaction is very weak , uh just uh like the uh chairman or project manager is mm 367.38 369.65 374.74 382.21 387.4 390.64 395.15 EN2005a A MEO082 0 401.362 439.653 401.59 439.653 uh coordinating the meeting . He's uh pushing the meeting forward , then this kind of s organ organisational structure or part . Uh uh and also other pr uh parts like uh the back-channels without any uh semantic content uh from other participants . So this kind of uh interaction might be better analysed as monologue , which uh in which there is interaction , I suppose . So 403.11 405.28 408.76 423.13 433.27 436.88 438.84 EN2005a B FEE083 1 441.035 466.884 441.14 466.75 I'm a little bit confused . So um when you say interactivity , do you mean um well , how would you characterise a highly interactive meeting ? What are the measurements you'd apply ? So you I think what you're doing is segmenting meetings into highly interactive parts and not so interactive parts , where you think some of them are like a bit like dialogue and some are a bit like monologue . So what measurements would you apply to um find out which is which ? 442.46 446.01 448.91 451.1 453.49 459.67 463.04 466.75 EN2005a A MEO082 0 442.148 442.73 442.28 442.64 Uh-huh . 442.64 EN2005a A MEO082 0 446.031 446.605 446.15 446.44 Yeah . 446.44 EN2005a A MEO082 0 460.175 463.244 460.24 463.19 Yeah . Yeah , yeah . 462.1 462.77 463.19 EN2005a A MEO082 0 465.308 492.849 465.33 492.849 So yeah , so this is going to be based on the utterance to utterance . So for this utterance , the next utterance , if it's from another pa uh speaker , then uh if it's not a back-channel or uh something similar , then it's a dialogue . So if speak changes . So yeah , speaker change is 467.14 471.27 473.78 474.83 478.53 486.45 489.43 491.16 491.63 EN2005a B FEE083 1 491.835 495.64 491.93 495.54 So you mean relatively short turns and speaker change . 495.54 EN2005a A MEO082 0 494.229 534.061 494.32 534.061 Yeah . Yeah , yeah , b but uh sh short uh turns uh like mm or something very similar might be the uh seg second type of interactivity , the weak interactivity . That might not be analysed as a uh monologue , but as a dial uh no no no , wrong , uh not as dialogue but as um a monologue . Yeah . So for that part uh for that kind of back-channels we can just skip that and uh uh to not treat them as interruptions or something like . Then yeah , we could just uh 495.56 495.99 496.28 507.17 508.84 513.31 515.72 516.17 520.66 521.74 531.76 532.8 EN2005a B FEE083 1 521.923 522.199 521.94 522.11 S - EN2005a B FEE083 1 534.115 556.799 534.2 556.63 So so am I right in thinking you think that you can segment meetings maybe into two t types of areas , interactive and non-interactive ? So what are th what are the characteristics of the interactive areas ? So w so okay , so but you just said , I think , that you would characterise short turns as being the non-interactive parts . 540.98 542.6 546.32 549.02 550.52 551.29 556.63 EN2005a A MEO082 0 540.516 541.098 540.59 541.06 Yeah . 541.06 EN2005a A MEO082 0 542.588 543.203 542.67 543.13 Yeah . 543.13 EN2005a A MEO082 0 545.939 549.372 545.98 549.17 Speak change speak change would be yeah . 549.17 EN2005a A MEO082 0 555.765 567.986 555.85 567.83 If if it's uh just some kind of back-channel or it's just a signal signal the s the speaker is listening or is understanding what's going on , yeah . Yeah , yeah . 566.04 567.5 567.6 567.83 EN2005a B FEE083 1 564.883 572.999 564.99 572.93 Oh okay , well we we can discount back-channels . I mean uh c are you is it okay if we talk about this for a minute 'cause I'm confused . Or or do you get a c 565.42 567.32 571.85 EN2005a D FEE085 3 571.902 581.405 572.24 581.405 I was just wondering if you were gonna define this more on the slides to come or if this is as much as you're gonna tell us . I'm just wondering if he's prepared 579.31 EN2005a A MEO082 0 573.291 573.732 573.41 573.63 Mm-hmm . 573.63 EN2005a B FEE083 1 575.203 576.201 575.25 576.09 Alright . Alright . 575.91 576.09 EN2005a A MEO082 0 575.48 576.004 575.51 575.9 Uh-huh . 575.9 EN2005a A MEO082 0 579.024 579.99 579.04 579.99 Um - EN2005a B FEE083 1 580.528 590.056 580.62 590.056 'Cause if this is all we've got , I think we should uh have interactive and non-interactive on the board and then figure out what properties going to each just so we're clear what the two mean . Uh 581.75 589.69 EN2005a D FEE085 3 589.36 594.824 589.38 594.66 Sure . So so what did you have more on later slides about this ? 590.9 594.66 EN2005a A MEO082 0 590.909 591.508 590.93 591.508 Yeah , so 591.16 EN2005a A MEO082 0 592.955 610.159 593.01 610.07 Uh yeah . Uh so for interactivity this is the only slide . So yeah activity is uh I'd define interactivity to be as a degrees of interaction in meetings . So which might uh speak change whi uh uh would be a very good indicator , yeah . 593.84 596.98 604.12 609.6 610.07 EN2005a D FEE085 3 597.296 597.847 597.36 597.65 Okay . 597.65 EN2005a B FEE083 1 603.988 604.99 604.06 604.99 Well uh okay - EN2005a B FEE083 1 609.839 621.268 610.04 621.268 But are you you need to be more precise what you mean by speaker change . So y do you mean all of the speakers are involved in it ? Is it sufficient for two speakers ? Right , and then 613.21 618.22 619.98 620.58 EN2005a A MEO082 0 612.11 612.517 612.18 612.39 Mm-hmm . 612.39 EN2005a A MEO082 0 613.897 615.086 613.92 614.97 Yeah , yeah yeah . 614.44 614.97 EN2005a A MEO082 0 617.664 638.897 617.74 638.81 No , no . Yeah . No yeah . So actually , so uh this is a very rough idea of interactivity . If we go further , we might distinguish uh the interactivity between two , f three , or all the groups . So that might be some final definition for the uh interactivity , yeah . 618.76 620.25 620.71 621.4 622.07 625.01 626.55 630.21 630.99 632.63 638.55 638.81 EN2005a D FEE085 3 638.944 645.738 638.96 645.738 But we've also established that it's not just speaker change , it because if you have mm-hmm , okay , then 642.13 643.68 645.0 EN2005a A MEO082 0 644.46 650.606 644.52 650.43 Yeah , so that might be the second class , yeah . Weak this is a kind of weak interactivity . Yeah . Yeah . 644.85 646.4 646.58 649.21 649.99 650.43 EN2005a B FEE083 1 646.306 677.082 646.48 677.082 Okay , but that's n you can that's definitional , right . So so I mean you wouldn't necessarily consider that to change the turns . Those are just back-channels . So one speaker will have the floor channel um throughout that and so I guess what you're saying is that the interactive sections would have shorter speaker turns when you're not considering the back-channels as interruptions . Um so 646.82 649.78 650.06 655.57 657.11 674.51 EN2005a D FEE085 3 648.432 650.898 648.45 650.75 Okay . Y yeah , yeah . 649.09 650.4 650.75 EN2005a D FEE085 3 658.968 661.15 659.06 660.96 Right . Yeah . Mm-hmm . 659.93 660.67 660.96 EN2005a A MEO082 0 671.622 674.067 671.66 673.99 Yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , definitely , yeah . 672.0 672.1 672.19 672.39 672.64 672.94 673.15 673.6 673.99 EN2005a D FEE085 3 678.377 685.78 678.52 685.78 Well it might be the case that to be interactive there have to be dialogue acts of some specific type in a turn rather than - EN2005a A MEO082 0 683.575 688.407 683.64 688.407 Yeah , yeah , yeah , that's also true . Yeah . S yeah , yeah , actually 'cause uh I've looked uh 684.04 684.4 684.7 685.36 685.95 686.33 686.45 EN2005a B FEE083 1 687.408 688.466 687.74 688.38 Well do y - EN2005a D FEE085 3 688.496 691.769 688.52 691.62 Like statement , statement , reject , accept , you know , something like that . 689.2 689.68 690.11 690.49 690.69 691.62 EN2005a B FEE083 1 690.851 703.515 690.94 703.36 Yeah . Sufficient but not necessary maybe . It depend if you had so a bunch of people all just giving information and opinion around the table and they never actually ask questions of each other , but the turns were actually quite short , which one would it be ? 691.55 693.27 700.49 702.55 703.36 EN2005a A MEO082 0 691.134 691.891 691.22 691.78 Yeah . 691.78 EN2005a A MEO082 0 697.346 698.036 697.42 697.99 Mm-hmm . 697.99 EN2005a A MEO082 0 700.03 750.668 700.25 750.668 Okay . So for that case , yeah uh yeah , so this might be a weak definition of interactivity . So if we could figure out uh if they are really interacti uh interacting with each other , or just uh uh incremental mm presentation of some information . So that's d uh different . We might um yeah need a more strict or finer uh definition of interactivity . Yeah , ju uh for this use of the uh for the use of this term for the indicator of the uh degrees of interaction , uh I think for for the current uh proposal I think that it's just for distinguish between dialogues and monologues . 'Cause for these two types of discourse , uh the uh 700.76 701.66 702.67 706.58 714.09 719.66 721.02 728.29 728.49 736.16 744.85 748.25 EN2005a B FEE083 1 719.517 720.207 719.65 720.02 Mm-hmm . 720.02 EN2005a A MEO082 0 752.057 758.683 752.24 758.58 the the cons the the two that we are going to analyse the discourse structure might be d different . 758.58 EN2005a B FEE083 1 758.198 768.555 758.91 768.555 Right , okay . I remember you saying this before . So basically you want to do the segmentation because you're going to apply completely different analyses to the two sections . Um 759.23 759.46 761.05 767.96 EN2005a A MEO082 0 760.462 761.577 760.49 761.5 Yeah , yeah . 761.02 761.5 EN2005a A MEO082 0 766.589 797.907 766.65 797.79 Yeah , yeah . And also 'cause uh I have uh read some of the M_O_T_A_ uh corpus . Uh so for some part of th that kind of meetings um uh several utterances or dialogue acts are just uh tagged as statement . So that I don't think that would be very informative for high level str analysis . So that's all what uh that's why why uh I'm distinguishing the two kinds of discourse here . 767.14 768.14 773.46 786.65 792.07 797.79 EN2005a B FEE083 1 797.656 857.662 797.72 857.59 Right . So Wei-Xun quite takes quite a strong position on um this um difference between these two um kinds of group activities because he says that they admit different kinds of analyses . Right , the with the non-interactive , more monolo mono-logic sections of the meeting um you have to uh analyse them using something akin to rhetorical structure or something . And uh with the other sections you uh um you you use some other theory to look at them . And I actually uh think that that's a slightly extreme um position um with regard to the literature that a lot of people might say it doesn't really matter who the different speakers are in an interactive section . You can still um build maybe the the same argument structure over the top of the basic um acts and propositional content that's there . 798.34 811.23 811.6 813.76 824.21 832.44 847.56 857.59 EN2005a D FEE085 3 824.163 824.647 824.31 824.54 Mm-hmm . 824.54 EN2005a A MEO082 0 852.125 852.759 852.24 852.71 Mm-hmm . 852.71 EN2005a B FEE083 1 857.662 892.832 858.09 892.79 And uh what you get is a messier version of the argument structure because not everybody has the same argument in their brain , you know , for this . But um but that the same theory or the the same analysis can be applied to both parts . So I think it's important to keep um that in mind , and if you if you do need to argue that these two kinds of group activities uh can can only be analysed if you use different analytical mechanisms , then you have to explain why that is . Right , so it it puts an extra burden of proof on the work that you do . 866.51 866.74 867.34 874.47 877.59 887.34 890.08 890.28 892.79 EN2005a A MEO082 0 873.927 874.486 874.01 874.35 Mm-hmm . 874.35 EN2005a A MEO082 0 889.886 890.37 889.92 890.24 Okay . 890.24 EN2005a D FEE085 3 893.638 918.272 893.66 918.272 Well , actually I don't quite agree . I mean i for example you can't use R_S_T_ across speakers because the definitions of the relations depend on the intentions of the speaker and there's different speakers have different intentions . So you can't use the theory . It's just fundamentally wrong , it's it was meant as a theory for a one person uh right . So that doesn't mean there aren't other theo so for 894.3 896.13 907.33 908.7 910.06 915.13 EN2005a A MEO082 0 896.166 896.8 896.28 896.65 Mm-hmm . 896.65 EN2005a B FEE083 1 896.717 897.164 896.82 896.99 Mm . 896.99 EN2005a A MEO082 0 915.32 916.737 915.42 916.7 Yeah , the like yeah . 915.84 916.7 EN2005a B FEE083 1 915.573 916.039 915.68 915.95 Right . 915.95 EN2005a B FEE083 1 917.386 945.408 917.48 945.36 But to the grou degree that a group is building an argument together , I mean it I think wh what you're doing in a group discussion isn't necessarily one coherent argument f for the person , but an argument that is the group view . And so it's maybe it's not R_S_T_ , um but it's um more akin to um I don't know , is it Toolman ? But , you know , not that i but you know , the kinds of things where people to try to represent argument structure . 921.32 928.56 931.88 934.93 939.57 940.49 940.77 941.11 942.72 945.36 EN2005a D FEE085 3 931.601 932.238 931.72 932.15 Yeah . 932.15 EN2005a D FEE085 3 944.159 958.754 944.28 958.64 Right , but those are very those are really different um theories that are at are trying to get at different things and it and they admit of m you know , some of them admit of multiple parties and some of them assume you're in one speaker's head . Right , and the 944.43 952.43 957.63 958.06 EN2005a B FEE083 1 957.974 961.73 958.05 961.61 Are are the important aspects of it for this analysis really that substantively different though ? 961.61 EN2005a D FEE085 3 961.568 970.615 961.91 970.35 Mm-hmm . Yeah , the entire theory is based on intention and the intention of one individual . So R_S_T_ would be a bad theory to use . W 962.4 962.6 967.85 970.25 EN2005a B FEE083 1 970.084 978.541 970.18 978.42 But i if somebody if there's been an argument so far in a group meeting , and um somebody makes a statement , they have an intention about how to modify that group argument . 973.59 975.72 978.42 EN2005a D FEE085 3 977.577 995.264 977.73 995.23 So modelling modelling a single contribution by a single speaker , you can within that you can use R_S_T_ if you want to , right . But across speakers you can't . They have no relations for things like reject or agree . They the theory doesn't have them . 981.96 986.02 986.33 988.96 993.68 995.23 EN2005a B FEE083 1 988.249 989.33 988.33 989.33 Right , but but you're 988.58 EN2005a B FEE083 1 995.184 998.986 995.27 998.986 Okay , so the r the relation names aren't aren't right , but um 995.63 998.0 EN2005a D FEE085 3 998.366 1032.894 998.47 1032.894 So the the so it's not the right theory 'cause the theory is the relations plus the notion of nuclearity . So we need a different theory . Now I think Alex um S_D_R_S_ allows both kinds . So you know , within a speaker turn you can have things like explanation and cause and all that . Um but then across speaker turns you can have things like correction or I didn't see any examples of agree or disagree in S_T_R_S_ , but I there aren't ? I mean there are thirty relations . So we should look at at what they are . But I d I don't 1003.6 1005.46 1011.59 1012.3 1017.18 1025.65 1028.89 1030.17 1031.72 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1005.811 1006.488 1005.87 1006.488 Right . 1006.37 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1007.414 1010.682 1007.56 1010.682 Yesterday , yeah . Mm-hmm . Might be a 1007.97 1008.35 1009.78 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1017.241 1017.898 1017.39 1017.77 Okay . 1017.77 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1026.283 1026.949 1026.33 1026.88 Yeah . 1026.88 EN2005a C FEO084 2 1026.399 1029.239 1026.46 1029.08 No , I don't think so . I d 1026.94 1028.9 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1031.357 1032.039 1031.39 1031.85 Yeah . 1031.85 EN2005a C FEO084 2 1031.667 1032.262 1031.83 1031.94 Hmm . 1031.94 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1032.032 1071.484 1032.06 1071.484 Well the relation names are less important . I mean people have argued for ages about exactly what relations were in any of these theories . And that's that's less important than what the theory is trying to achieve . And it just seems to me that if you've gotta have two dif separate apparatuses for the um speaker internal um argument structure and the group argument structure , that that's more appara apparatus than you should actually need for um from doing this kind of analysis . 'Cause in both cases you're um building up an argument publicly in this group meeting and then , you know , adding something or changing the existing argument in some way by relating a contribution to what's um already on the table . So 1033.73 1037.04 1041.03 1051.03 1056.22 1062.09 1062.41 1070.96 EN2005a C FEO084 2 1032.613 1033.284 1032.66 1033.23 Mm-hmm . 1033.23 EN2005a C FEO084 2 1034.23 1035.147 1034.44 1035.01 Yeah . Yes . 1034.84 1035.01 EN2005a D FEE085 3 1036.709 1038.63 1036.82 1038.52 Well her the relations have a s - EN2005a D FEE085 3 1071.473 1098.753 1071.473 1098.62 D Yes , but so I mean the relation names it's not the names that are important , it's their semantics that are important , right . And they're the semantics of the relations are based on the semantics of the utterances that they're relating as Alex s explained yesterday . Um and so um it is important that these relations have a semantics that's tied to the semantics of the utterances , right . 1072.74 1077.0 1078.82 1079.19 1087.2 1098.2 1098.62 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1079.492 1079.99 1079.6 1079.9 Mm . 1079.9 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1086.302 1087.242 1086.38 1087.15 Yeah , yeah . 1086.83 1087.15 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1098.68 1114.723 1098.78 1114.45 Yeah , c I just think well , I mean it all of these things when they encounter a new genre of um of uh actual data , then they end up modifying building new kinds of relations with new kinds of semantics and adding them . That's the entire history of these . 1099.14 1100.13 1107.03 1112.85 1114.45 EN2005a D FEE085 3 1112.352 1156.473 1112.41 1156.473 Uh p poss possibly , but few people have tried to , you know , do the kind of um truth conditional semantics that , you know , Asher and Lascarides have done , right . So the theory can handle the kinds of things that happen in meetings , as she explained . The actual computational mechanisms they have currently for building up the trees can't . Now I don't remember , was which speaker you in the c in the example she showed yesterday , was it the case that the representation of the utterances and the relations included which speaker was uh 1115.08 1117.76 1118.16 1121.33 1122.14 1124.03 1125.05 1129.17 1130.98 1138.15 1139.74 1146.39 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1123.622 1124.195 1123.69 1124.13 Yeah . 1124.13 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1123.936 1124.413 1123.97 1124.28 Mm-hmm . 1124.28 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1144.976 1145.633 1145.08 1145.42 Mm-hmm . 1145.42 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1156.278 1159.762 1156.35 1159.66 No , just a uh turn exchange , yeah . 1156.82 1159.37 1159.66 EN2005a D FEE085 3 1160.256 1171.792 1160.37 1171.58 I mean it had the at the l at the leaves they had the well , she didn't show it , but they would have the semantics of the utterances . And then she had relation names and handles . 1164.74 1165.46 1168.44 1171.58 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1167.287 1167.869 1167.38 1167.8 Mm-hmm . 1167.8 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1170.16 1177.394 1170.23 1177.34 Yeah . Actually sh uh she used some a a a bunch of features to do the automatic parsing . 1171.14 1177.34 EN2005a D FEE085 3 1178.031 1209.599 1178.33 1209.599 Right . I just I just don't didn't remember seeing in the representation which speaker contributed what . 'Cause she did represent um discourse structures 'cause these were the Verbmobil scheduling dialogues . So the utterances in the in the representation were uttered by two different parties that wasn't the you know , in the in the examples she showed us , there were there was some that was just , you know , one party . It was a monologue , but then there was a snippet of dialogue as well with 1178.6 1183.94 1190.47 1198.81 1201.44 1204.69 1204.98 1205.92 1206.75 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1181.854 1182.336 1181.94 1182.27 Mm-hmm . 1182.27 EN2005a C FEO084 2 1187.039 1188.08 1187.25 1187.96 Hmm . Mm-hmm . 1187.63 1187.96 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1190.352 1191.295 1190.37 1191.08 Mm-hmm , yeah . 1190.8 1191.08 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1194.266 1194.856 1194.36 1194.7 Mm-hmm . 1194.7 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1202.496 1202.895 1202.53 1202.79 Yeah . 1202.79 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1208.857 1220.111 1208.96 1219.99 Right . So there you've got somebody who's doing theoretical development that would claim that you don't need two separate an analytical frameworks for these two types of activities that Wei-Xun has identified . 1209.64 1219.99 EN2005a D FEE085 3 1219.095 1237.504 1219.28 1237.504 For this specific set of relations that that they've defined . There might be some higher level structure that you wanna pull out of that . I mean I 'cause you were saying you're just gonna you you're you wanna look at this , you know , very local stuff . But from that you c one would hope you would pull out something high , you know 1224.23 1227.42 1231.77 1232.16 1233.16 1236.79 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1221.456 1221.912 1221.48 1221.82 Yeah . 1221.82 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1226.08 1226.597 1226.11 1226.5 Mm-hmm . 1226.5 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1227.657 1228.578 1227.83 1228.37 Uh yeah . 1228.37 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1230.126 1232.687 1230.22 1232.53 Utterance to utterance , yeah . Very low level , yeah . 1231.21 1231.58 1232.27 1232.53 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1234.577 1244.26 1234.61 1244.15 You cou yeah . Yeah , i to uh just we need to see uh how well we could work out of the utterance to utterance . 1236.77 1237.36 1244.15 EN2005a D FEE085 3 1242.982 1277.584 1243.27 1277.584 No , I think working from the bottom up sounds great , but I'm just y I mean what you can imagine someone saying well how did they decide to make it blue , and maybe there was a long blow by bl and you don't you kind of wanna abstract away from he said this , she said that , he sai you know , to Anyway , I you know , I mean I I don't think especially uh , you know , if you're not steeped in these theories that it makes a huge difference to you whether we use R_S_T_ or something like S_D_R_S_ . But it might make much more , you know , I mean 1243.48 1246.12 1252.98 1258.69 1259.25 1260.26 1262.84 1263.86 1266.87 1267.31 1274.64 1276.25 1276.71 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1246.024 1246.789 1246.12 1246.56 Yeah . 1246.56 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1260.925 1263.777 1260.96 1263.59 Yeah . So uh yeah . 1262.5 1263.59 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1277.434 1288.167 1277.52 1288.167 Yeah , I just prefer it to be one thing rather than two completely separate things and then the added explanation of why it's not possible to have the same thing applied to both halves . 1277.81 1287.89 EN2005a D FEE085 3 1286.478 1288.874 1286.6 1288.79 Well I think we should ass I think we should - EN2005a D FEE085 3 1291.223 1321.527 1291.29 1321.527 try to find a theory that allows multiple speakers and relations to span over more than one spea you know . Because it is true that I mean if you look at things like damsel and other attempts to come up with annotation schemes for for dialogue acts , there was this notion of forward looking and backward looking . Anyway , they're relational . I mean in some way , you know , they're all relational . Um but you needed 1303.14 1312.42 1314.46 1314.82 1315.72 1317.25 1317.76 1319.27 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1296.531 1297.172 1296.61 1297.0 Mm-hmm . 1297.0 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1302.984 1303.658 1303.06 1303.36 Yeah . 1303.36 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1317.04 1317.831 1317.06 1317.75 Hmm , yeah . 1317.44 1317.75 EN2005a D FEE085 3 1323.928 1344.155 1324.02 1344.12 But there's a different set of tags in there from the kinds of relations you see within R_S_T_ , for example . So if you look at Amanda Stent's thesis and the analysis that she did sort of within a turn she used something like R_S_T_ . And then across turns she used damsel , right . 1330.09 1331.18 1340.16 1343.78 1344.12 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1330.368 1330.917 1330.42 1330.82 Mm-hmm . 1330.82 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1340.043 1340.467 1340.12 1340.39 Mm-hmm . 1340.39 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1344.666 1387.234 1344.77 1387.12 Yeah , which wouldn't probably wouldn't give us the kind of um information that we need about relations across turns , just because we really are critically interested in the argument um that the group is building up so that we can find the decisions that they made and um any p uh counter proposals to proposals that have been made and things . I mean it really is more in the spirit uh of the R_S_T_ ish relations than um than in the damsel kinds of relationships . What we want uh out of the c um the relationships between speakers here . They are jointly building up an argument structure , and that is the critical thing that we're missing in order to be able to um understand what's happening in these meetings . 1345.17 1352.17 1365.83 1375.52 1380.25 1382.22 1387.12 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1389.03 1398.514 1389.16 1398.43 So we wouldn't we wouldn't wanna do the same thing as what um she did in this case , bec just because um damsel doesn't give you the right sort of representation between speakers . 1393.39 1398.43 EN2005a D FEE085 3 1389.087 1389.86 1389.18 1389.86 Well I - EN2005a D FEE085 3 1399.214 1402.199 1399.59 1402.199 Well , it gives you things like accept and reject and 1399.79 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1402.93 1407.657 1403.06 1407.657 Oh , does it ? Okay , um I haven't seen it on that this kind of data . So maybe 1403.28 1403.71 1404.18 1406.95 EN2005a D FEE085 3 1403.771 1404.928 1403.87 1404.82 Oh yeah . 1404.82 EN2005a D FEE085 3 1408.059 1410.416 1408.16 1410.36 In fact R_S_T_ doesn't give you anything like that . 1410.36 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1410.764 1411.363 1410.82 1411.21 No . 1411.21 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1411.716 1432.59 1411.9 1432.59 Right , okay , but are what I mean is , you kno wanna make sure you get the argumentative relations , however you do it . Whichever relations you have to build , you know . Not I'm not saying I'm not saying that there's a particular set of tags or relations that have been defined out there that are the right ones . I'm just saying we need the correct ones for th the structure that we're trying to get out of this . 'Cause we need certain information out of this analysis . That 1412.14 1412.61 1414.92 1417.29 1418.15 1420.12 1420.52 1425.88 1429.61 1432.24 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1412.936 1414.251 1413.03 1414.11 Hmm , hmm . 1413.71 1414.11 EN2005a D FEE085 3 1417.963 1418.634 1418.05 1418.55 Okay . 1418.55 EN2005a D FEE085 3 1419.76 1420.96 1419.79 1420.93 Right . Right . 1420.68 1420.93 EN2005a D FEE085 3 1429.495 1484.832 1429.71 1484.78 Right , okay . D so I think it's much more impor I think it would make more sense to go about this problem figuring out what kinds of relationships we want and then finding and , you know , like setting down what the constraints are on the analysis game . He's been looking at the data , okay , s to good . Um and then and then there are lots of different theories of argument . I mean you can also think about the sort of joint problem solving kinds of um approaches . So you know , Clark and Lockbaum and , you know , that that kind of thing . That were designed for dialogue , right , I mean , and can be expanded to more than two persons . Actually the Lockbaum stuff is for groups . 1430.05 1431.79 1444.2 1444.6 1450.41 1451.42 1451.78 1453.46 1457.19 1467.93 1468.65 1472.78 1473.09 1475.92 1477.72 1478.05 1479.63 1482.56 1484.78 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1442.292 1442.8 1442.36 1442.72 Yeah . 1442.72 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1447.988 1451.891 1448.07 1451.73 Well Wei-Xun's been looking at the data . So that's that's a step for this . 1449.56 1451.73 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1451.517 1452.082 1451.61 1451.97 Mm-hmm . 1451.97 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1457.455 1457.979 1457.51 1457.85 Yeah . 1457.85 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1463.318 1465.089 1463.39 1464.99 Yeah , yeah . Yeah . 1463.73 1464.54 1464.99 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1470.469 1470.86 1470.5 1470.78 Yeah . 1470.78 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1474.161 1474.652 1474.2 1474.51 Mm-hmm . 1474.51 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1474.778 1475.227 1474.82 1475.08 Mm-hmm . 1475.08 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1478.279 1478.828 1478.35 1478.7 Mm-hmm . 1478.7 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1485.005 1485.863 1485.07 1485.75 Mm-hmm , yeah . 1485.46 1485.75 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1485.419 1486.367 1485.48 1486.33 Yeah , yeah , yeah . 1485.75 1486.01 1486.33 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1490.251 1503.176 1490.29 1503.03 So yeah , for interactivity this is a very weak definition , yeah . If we need more then we might use some more finer uh f finer uh definition for interactivity . 1491.13 1494.38 1494.65 1503.03 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1503.616 1535.038 1503.85 1534.67 Well , what you'll need in the end is something operational . So it's something that you can use to actually segment meetings into the um the areas that you think are important for this analysis , right ? So um it's not quite clear to me what the different kinds of things are . So it would be I think handy if you could take a meeting at some point and say , you know , this is a interactive area and this is a mono-logic area because and we could come up with what kinds of measurements you need . 1504.35 1506.76 1515.33 1516.69 1523.14 1528.09 1528.34 1534.67 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1506.672 1507.246 1506.7 1507.17 Yeah . 1507.17 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1515.296 1517.277 1515.36 1517.2 Yeah . Okay . 1516.76 1517.2 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1535.038 1566.924 1535.35 1566.45 Um I mean we have w we haven't done past work here on segmenting meetings in that way , but we have done work on characterising different kinds of meetings um in terms of how highly interactive they are . But it's a different definition , right . It's in terms of how much all of the people involved in the meeting um take some take equal part in it as opposed to um like the highest state is people in the meeting just driving it and and uh the other people following whatever the high state is people want . 1542.42 1548.8 1550.46 1550.71 1566.45 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1566.924 1603.753 1566.924 1603.55 So um but those kinds of measures um , you know , we could use to um to do this kind of segmentation if it's important to the analysis , right . W but we need clearer definitions of what the different things are , how many different kinds of of um activities are there . You know , is it just interactive and non-interactive , or is there are there there more grades of shading than that . And um , you know , what are the things that you expect in each . What's the back-channelling behaviour . What's the speaker turn , um you know , what kind of dialogue acts do you expect . I think that would help you pin down what the definitions are . 1570.87 1571.33 1579.4 1579.62 1581.97 1585.06 1585.32 1587.5 1591.69 1592.75 1592.93 1594.35 1596.16 1598.12 1598.7 1601.06 1603.55 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1567.515 1567.989 1567.58 1567.9 Yeah . 1567.9 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1577.707 1578.93 1577.8 1578.87 Yeah , okay . 1578.47 1578.87 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1587.503 1588.218 1587.61 1588.1 Mm-hmm . 1588.1 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1603.854 1605.168 1603.88 1605.07 Yeah , okay . 1604.71 1605.07 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1606.606 1639.469 1606.63 1639.37 So mm so for dialogue , yeah , mm there would be uh some kind of uh interaction structure . So it for uh in previous discourse studies , uh especially in discourse analysis exchange uh is used to describe this kind of uh local structure . And in conversation the analysis so adjacency pairs are used to describe this kind of structure . Uh 1609.11 1609.52 1617.1 1620.18 1631.19 1638.53 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1641.839 1683.985 1641.839 1683.73 but uh in these two strands or work they uh just come up with a list , maybe not uh exhaustive . So uh I'm been think about uh if we could come up with some kind of more principal scheme uh taking some of the uh information in the uh uh uh in the uh interaction uh into account . Like uh is the small part of interaction is is exchanging some information . 1650.67 1653.35 1673.92 1683.73 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1683.985 1720.265 1684.24 1720.11 Uh here information is a little vague . It could be some kind of knowledge what the uh speaker knows or or some kind of thought what the speaker is thinking . So these two kind of uh inform mm two kinds of the information uh might be some kind of a difference . So this is a little bit like the Bell's mm exchange of information uh for the knowledge . If exchange of uh opinion uh uh some kind of so it's uh very related to thought , of thinking , yeah . 1687.97 1699.08 1706.17 1713.21 1718.95 1719.79 1720.11 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1720.452 1725.84 1720.53 1725.79 Do you think it matters whether something is knowledge or opinion in the way it contributes to the group process ? 1725.79 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1725.711 1753.67 1725.79 1753.58 Uh in some case it s differs 'cause uh when we exchange knowledge , we might not challenge uh the speaker , but uh when the speaker is uh pre uh is uh talk about what he feels , what he thinks , is proposing something or s uh then other speakers might might chan challenge him or her . 1734.09 1737.39 1743.63 1745.94 1753.58 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1754.584 1772.576 1754.68 1772.576 Yeah . I I sort of have always taken the view that um that well , people aren't very good at at this kind of rationality , you know . And the difference between information and opinion isn't that prominent in the way people do their reasoning . So um 1755.16 1760.14 1763.37 1763.71 1770.65 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1755.091 1756.255 1755.14 1756.13 So that kind of structu - EN2005a A MEO082 0 1757.877 1759.282 1757.94 1759.22 Yeah . Yeah . 1759.0 1759.22 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1770.86 1806.275 1770.98 1806.11 Yeah . But uh that might b be some difference inter interaction par patterns . Might be . 'Cause uh for information if we uh somebody's uh seeking some information , then he uh ask some question and uh the one knows will uh gives gives the answer . But uh uh for the uh opinion or thought uh stuff , then the speaker might just uh uh present some idea and others will comment or uh challenge uh the idea . 1771.68 1777.5 1778.39 1782.79 1789.22 1796.39 1806.11 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1804.514 1805.036 1804.57 1804.89 Yeah . 1804.89 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1806.005 1844.275 1806.11 1844.09 Well you you can't define 'em that way . You can't define the difference between information and opinion that way because that's um basically defining as the what happened about it . And I think what tends to happen is that um if people challenge the the facts , you often discover that they weren't actually solid facts anyway , you know , that they're I think the boundary between these is kind of fluid . So I guess the question is is it important to what what's it important to ? So do you need the difference between information and opinion to do this analysis ? 1808.96 1816.84 1821.92 1827.61 1827.86 1831.67 1837.89 1844.09 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1809.618 1810.175 1809.7 1810.06 Mm-hmm . 1810.06 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1811.348 1812.007 1811.4 1811.88 Okay . 1811.88 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1821.633 1822.165 1821.72 1822.1 Mm-hmm . 1822.1 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1828.218 1829.025 1828.28 1828.98 Yeah . 1828.98 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1830.297 1832.002 1830.35 1831.95 Yeah , it's vague , yeah . Yeah , yeah , yeah . 1830.53 1830.98 1831.27 1831.45 1831.62 1831.95 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1845.058 1858.646 1845.19 1858.646 Mm see 'cause uh so far I'm s still looking for a uh so-called principal scheme for the interaction uh for the interaction . So 1857.85 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1858.978 1860.316 1859.06 1860.2 So what have you been looking at ? 1860.2 EN2005a D FEE085 3 1860.352 1864.656 1860.37 1864.58 Yeah , I was just gonna say it would be useful to know what m 1860.57 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1861.407 1862.113 1861.45 1862.113 Yeah , so 1861.69 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1864.891 1865.406 1864.94 1865.33 Yeah . 1865.33 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1864.95 1868.816 1865.04 1868.72 So you're you've got books that high on your desk . Which ones are they ? 1867.89 1868.72 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1866.899 1881.343 1866.899 1881.21 Yeah . Yeah , so yeah , for uh p uh the discourse analysis they're using exchange , but uh they have no uh no classification just to come up with okay , so uh you mean uh 1868.92 1869.2 1869.63 1873.06 1880.1 EN2005a D FEE085 3 1877.979 1880.077 1878.05 1879.87 But who's they ? That's the question . 1879.03 1879.87 EN2005a D FEE085 3 1881.968 1882.8 1882.07 1882.75 Who ? 1882.75 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1882.673 1922.822 1882.71 1922.68 uh Sinclair and Coulthard . That is . Also at Geneva school they I don't think they list some kind of exchange . But uh the uh exchange structure uh and uh yeah , exchange is first uh developed in uh systemic functional grammar along the uh uh Halliday and and Martin's work . Yeah . So uh actually they they have some something in in a textbook about the exchange . Uh they call it negotiation . So they have uh some flow charts of the uh uh detailed analysis of uh uh exchange structure , yeah . 1884.59 1885.36 1891.13 1895.31 1905.0 1905.23 1912.93 1915.08 1922.06 1922.68 EN2005a D FEE085 3 1884.576 1885.245 1884.6 1885.08 Right . 1885.08 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1900.896 1901.387 1900.93 1901.29 Mm-hmm . 1901.29 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1904.416 1904.898 1904.45 1904.68 Mm-hmm . 1904.68 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1916.1 1916.416 1916.15 1916.27 Mm . 1916.27 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1922.345 1933.554 1922.46 1933.554 Okay . So y um I'm sort of getting that you think there is a lack in the uh theory to do with exchange structure at the moment . But I'm but I'm not quite clear yet what you think the lack is . So 1922.96 1929.51 1932.9 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1929.408 1930.04 1929.44 1929.97 Yeah . 1929.97 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1933.008 1943.67 1933.06 1943.61 So um uh I don't think there is any kind of principle classification of exchanges . This is i yeah , w 1941.85 1943.41 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1943.64 1979.757 1943.73 1979.24 Um the well are you thinking it's been a while since I've read this literature . But I mean my understanding of exchange is is that the initiating move introduces a goal to the discourse , and then the remaining moves um will uh contribute to either the um the meeting of that discourse goal or the decision not to bother with that discourse goal , right . And so um I'd be surprised if there wasn't work describing 1949.3 1957.39 1972.78 1973.48 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1949.132 1949.831 1949.21 1949.66 Mm-hmm . 1949.66 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1956.874 1957.489 1956.98 1957.32 Mm-hmm . 1957.32 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1977.117 1977.616 1977.2 1977.51 Okay . 1977.51 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1979.589 1980.296 1979.67 1980.19 Mm . 1980.19 EN2005a B FEE083 1 1979.757 2006.685 1980.13 2006.55 things in those terms . I mean I know Sinclair and Coulthard is is basically about teaching yeah . So you wouldn't expect that to necessarily um apply uh in in wider contacts in a way . Like you might expect to have to extend the theory to do that . But I th I think there are other other people have looked at exchange structure and described it in these terms in a way that should really suit your needs . 1980.94 1986.25 1995.38 1998.93 2006.55 EN2005a A MEO082 0 1983.199 1986.2 1983.31 1986.12 Yeah , I_R_F_ uh kind of structure . Yeah , yeah , yeah . 1983.56 1985.42 1985.7 1985.87 1986.12 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2003.393 2003.909 2003.49 2003.85 Okay . 2003.85 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2006.703 2038.423 2006.8 2038.23 Mm 'cause uh from my previous experience we see ananys analysis of information seeking dialogues over telephones . So it's um uh about the tourism information . So from uh um my analysis of that kind of dialogues I could say that there's only there only four basic uh exchanges depend on the information uh direction of the information flow , and also the speaker role . 2014.64 2019.07 2036.24 2038.23 EN2005a B FEE083 1 2014.544 2015.178 2014.61 2014.97 Mm-hmm . 2014.97 EN2005a B FEE083 1 2019.104 2019.643 2019.22 2019.52 Yeah . 2019.52 EN2005a D FEE085 3 2019.6 2020.095 2019.68 2019.88 Mm-hmm . 2019.88 EN2005a B FEE083 1 2031.104 2031.584 2031.16 2031.47 Mm-hmm . 2031.47 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2038.423 2077.374 2038.67 2077.34 'Cause in the information seeking dialogues the uh t roles of the two participants are different . One is mainly the uh from the uh agency , a tourism agency . That is main uh uh information provider uh while the customer is the information seeker mainly . Yeah , that's uh so theref uh and also mm uh the direction of information flows for some kind of information , like uh the uh uh price of a specific route , uh the spots they're going to uh visit , and also on the uh kinds of uh ve uh vehicle or or transportation , yeah . 2045.01 2049.11 2050.13 2056.92 2057.11 2063.74 2068.95 2072.76 2077.14 2077.34 EN2005a B FEE083 1 2053.941 2054.556 2054.04 2054.42 Mm-hmm . 2054.42 EN2005a B FEE083 1 2074.096 2074.56 2074.12 2074.49 Yeah . 2074.49 EN2005a B FEE083 1 2076.357 2087.319 2076.43 2087.19 So this is a l a lot like George Horton's work on saying what are the different parameters for um these exchanges . You know , what are the things that characterise the set of exchanges that can happen ? Mm . 2083.56 2083.87 2086.85 2087.19 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2078.555 2079.328 2078.77 2079.24 Uh-huh . 2079.24 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2081.556 2084.514 2081.59 2084.4 Yeah , yeah , yeah . Yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah . 2081.74 2082.02 2082.21 2083.37 2083.76 2083.99 2084.16 2084.4 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2086.143 2099.789 2086.18 2099.66 Yeah yeah , s yeah , yeah . So but there also some variations which I call complex exchanges . So that's uh that's uh just a list . Mm not like the uh basic exchange uh exchanges , yeah . 2086.77 2087.15 2087.47 2092.14 2095.6 2099.41 2099.66 EN2005a B FEE083 1 2098.736 2118.734 2098.9 2118.65 So so is your complaint less about um less about knowing what makes an exchange and more about knowing how you parameterise exchanges for this genre ? So what's the range ? okay , so you're worried about what's the range of exchange types for this genre , and that's what you think hasn't been done . Uh-huh . Okay . That's clearer . 2110.56 2111.51 2111.8 2114.7 2116.78 2117.48 2118.01 2118.65 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2110.58 2111.445 2110.7 2111.28 Yeah , yeah . 2111.05 2111.28 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2115.334 2125.021 2115.4 2124.97 Yeah yeah , parametri yeah , I I I'm looking for parametric , yeah , scheme . Yeah yeah yeah . That's uh y yeah . A parame parameter or principle . Yeah , some something like . Yeah . 2115.93 2116.68 2118.21 2118.53 2118.79 2119.82 2121.06 2123.52 2123.69 2124.65 2124.97 EN2005a B FEE083 1 2125.877 2126.464 2125.95 2126.34 Mm-hmm . 2126.34 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2126.41 2148.367 2126.49 2148.31 Yeah . And also yeah . A and also s in 'cause in the meetings uh the speakers might might report something uh they've done in the past and uh uh uh uh talk about th what they are currently doing and also planning some future actions . So this kind of information might also be helpful . 2127.46 2129.01 2145.19 2148.31 EN2005a B FEE083 1 2146.128 2195.802 2146.15 2195.42 Yeah . So so have have you tried I mean um I know of one previous attempt to establish what exchanges are needed for f um some kinds of industry meetings , and our experience in that project was that um you can't really identify exchange structures in these meetings because they they don't really follow that pattern . That exchanges are clear in um well , i there're clearer in when you've got fewer people . So there's fewer people trying to pull the discourse goals in different directions . Um and they're clearer when um your goals are quite limited . So when you've just got information exchange and you know , the or there's a clear task that the people are trying to do and they're focussed on that task , as is normal in dialogue elicitation like map task or like your 2147.43 2157.8 2167.25 2171.95 2175.09 2179.48 2184.27 2187.2 2191.78 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2150.179 2150.753 2150.25 2150.59 Mm-hmm . 2150.59 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2166.903 2167.41 2166.95 2167.3 Mm-hmm . 2167.3 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2178.606 2179.288 2178.67 2179.19 Yeah . 2179.19 EN2005a B FEE083 1 2195.802 2235.463 2196.38 2235.37 like your informa which like your information seeking dialogues , which wasn't dialogue elicitation , but it was very constrained in genre . So um the the answer to the question might be nobody knows what the catalogue of exchanges is for real meetings because um or for these decision making meetings because you can't identify exchanges , right . So have you gone through the meetings and looked for initiations and responses with without a prior catalogue , just knowing that init initiation in introduces a new discourse goal and a response um meets or negates that goal in some way . So have you tried marking these exchanges ? 2199.5 2200.77 2203.3 2216.33 2216.57 2223.33 2233.01 2235.37 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2202.154 2203.251 2202.22 2203.16 Yeah , yeah . 2202.69 2203.16 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2209.604 2210.244 2209.71 2210.17 Mm-hmm . 2210.17 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2232.457 2232.981 2232.5 2232.93 Yeah . 2232.93 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2234.619 2244.882 2234.68 2244.882 Uh not marking . Just uh for my uh reading of the uh I_ I_S_ one O_ eight uh four meeting series . Yeah , just to reading this part , yeah . Mm 2235.48 2241.56 2241.8 2243.26 2244.19 EN2005a B FEE083 1 2240.72 2241.242 2240.76 2241.12 Mm-hmm . 2241.12 EN2005a D FEE085 3 2244.231 2270.611 2244.54 2270.46 Well I mean I think that um w it I don't know uh w it'd probably get to re hear , you know , more of your presentation because I think there are lots of different candidates and you certainly can't go through and mark up every meeting , I mean mark up meetings with every scheme we think of . So I think we have to kind of get an overview of what the candidates are m if there's like two or three that we think are good contenders , then we try to see what works better , right . 2249.66 2249.9 2257.07 2259.82 2268.32 2270.08 2270.46 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2253.215 2253.747 2253.29 2253.71 Mm-hmm . 2253.71 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2262.952 2263.781 2263.06 2263.67 Yeah . 2263.67 EN2005a B FEE083 1 2269.486 2294.465 2269.56 2294.465 Yeah . But but a reading of this , you know , th could tell you that there is no case where you're gonna be looking for initiation and responses that's gonna work , you know . 'Cause you could go through and see that um actually the pattern of of addressing different discourse goals is too dispersed to um to be able to do that kind of mark-up . But I g yeah , I mean i obviously you wanna have a front-runner scheme i in mind before you 2270.14 2271.44 2272.0 2278.92 2279.37 2288.63 2289.78 EN2005a D FEE085 3 2291.703 2297.696 2291.85 2297.66 There are a lot of option there are a lot more options . So so let's see what what else you've got . 2295.28 2297.66 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2297.88 2311.462 2297.98 2311.462 Okay . So this is for the uh dialogue part . For monologues uh this is uh yeah . Okay , so no further uh information is here . Uh 2298.95 2303.16 2307.8 2308.06 2310.86 EN2005a B FEE083 1 2305.184 2305.924 2305.2 2305.86 So that's it . 2305.86 EN2005a D FEE085 3 2305.935 2307.877 2306.02 2307.81 Oh , so that was it on dialogue , okay . 2306.15 2307.34 2307.81 EN2005a B FEE083 1 2307.488 2308.0 2307.51 2307.84 Yeah . 2307.84 EN2005a D FEE085 3 2310.342 2324.817 2310.45 2324.75 Okay . So uh it's very unclear to me why you think exchange of information is more principal t uh did you I mean what did you have specific schemes in mind there ? Or spec mm specific 2311.73 2322.83 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2322.879 2323.711 2322.93 2323.711 Uh - EN2005a D FEE085 3 2327.254 2330.168 2327.29 2330.168 people's work that you um - EN2005a A MEO082 0 2331.721 2355.98 2331.76 2355.98 Mm 'cause uh so for the information and action the uh the action here is not dialogue act but uh some kind of uh uh physical action uh that uh the uh participant's uh i i is going to uh or has done in the past . He's going to do the future . So 2354.12 2355.65 EN2005a B FEE083 1 2355.455 2361.792 2355.53 2361.69 Do you mean an action in terms of what the group is requiring him to do or do you mean an action in like picking something up ? 2361.69 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2362.534 2364.866 2362.59 2364.866 Uh not - EN2005a B FEE083 1 2363.953 2369.075 2364.03 2368.93 So action in the technical meeting sense or just action in the physical sense . Right , okay . 2368.26 2368.6 2368.93 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2367.429 2388.227 2367.53 2388.04 Physical sense , yeah . Physical sense , yeah . Yeah , so uh this kind of might be the uh some kind of semantics of the utterance or or exchange . So uh this is just one um thing I one parameter uh for mm-hmm . 2368.04 2368.65 2369.15 2370.14 2370.39 2379.92 2388.04 EN2005a D FEE085 3 2385.877 2390.893 2386.23 2390.73 But can you give us an example of a scheme that's based on exchange of information ? 2390.73 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2392.018 2392.775 2392.17 2392.775 Uh - EN2005a A MEO082 0 2394.254 2397.0 2394.34 2396.97 I mean uh here the scheme is for exchange scheme . 2396.97 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2398.511 2413.882 2398.53 2413.82 So yeah , for uh for for uh exchange of information . So there might be the uh s speaker , and he uh a hearer . So who speaks to whom and uh uh 2399.27 2403.8 2408.01 2409.63 EN2005a D FEE085 3 2399.751 2400.711 2399.91 2400.41 Okay . 2400.41 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2416.518 2443.176 2416.54 2443.02 S so this is the uh uh so direction of the information flow and also so speaker role might be first uh parameters for the uh ex uh information exchanges . So um but for action that might be uh some kind of uh propose or accept or reject kind of uh uh exchange structure , I mean . 2431.06 2442.59 2443.02 EN2005a D FEE085 3 2430.192 2431.11 2430.3 2430.99 Mm-hmm . 2430.99 EN2005a B FEE083 1 2443.182 2453.434 2443.29 2453.31 Oh , so that's not a physical action , right ? Uh uh if I pick this up , which is a physical action , you can't reject that . What do you mean ? 2443.42 2445.1 2446.73 2449.82 2450.79 2452.61 2453.31 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2449.721 2450.22 2449.78 2450.13 Uh-huh . 2450.13 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2452.259 2455.905 2452.3 2455.905 Uh no no . No that's uh that's the uh 2453.52 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2457.718 2467.405 2457.75 2467.34 So we're going to do something and uh uh so could you do something or this kind of uh action related utterance I mean . Yeah . 2467.04 2467.34 EN2005a B FEE083 1 2466.502 2477.928 2466.63 2477.82 Right . That's right , that's a action in the sort of technical sense of meetings . So you are actioned to do something , which is part of the permanent record that yeah , okay . 2467.04 2467.96 2470.81 2473.08 2477.39 2477.82 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2470.307 2473.525 2470.38 2473.43 Okay , technical sense . Yeah . Yeah . Yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah . 2470.59 2471.17 2472.67 2472.81 2472.9 2473.03 2473.2 2473.43 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2475.346 2477.184 2475.37 2477.07 Okay , yeah , yeah . Okay , yeah , that's n 2475.65 2475.97 2476.36 2476.61 2476.83 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2479.428 2479.86 2479.54 2479.76 Hmm . 2479.76 EN2005a D FEE085 3 2479.235 2486.912 2479.58 2486.912 Okay , so I mean I think that um there are a lot of things that we have to look at before , I mean 2479.85 2486.25 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2487.271 2489.458 2487.35 2489.4 Before come up with the scheme , you mean . Yeah . 2488.66 2489.11 2489.4 EN2005a D FEE085 3 2489.266 2491.104 2489.33 2491.104 Yeah . I mean and 2489.92 EN2005a B FEE083 1 2492.704 2521.01 2492.82 2521.01 Well , there are very few uh schemes for marking up exchanges on actual data , right , because um people haven't considered it very important . Well I always thought they get tired after marking up the dialogue moves so they nev never bother with any higher level dialogue structure . So we did it in the map task , but I don't actually know of other cases where people bothered marking anyth anything higher level than the map than the move structure . Right ? You don't know of 2493.79 2500.39 2500.6 2505.51 2510.87 2512.1 2519.24 2520.39 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2497.617 2498.1 2497.7 2498.03 Exch - EN2005a A MEO082 0 2520.025 2525.856 2520.11 2525.76 So yeah . Uh yeah . S Stent yeah Stent might does um yeah . Stent , yeah . 2521.11 2521.92 2525.03 2525.35 2525.76 EN2005a D FEE085 3 2519.765 2522.813 2520.18 2522.813 Well , we're marking up a lot of higher level things in our 2520.48 EN2005a B FEE083 1 2523.588 2530.753 2523.76 2530.753 On yeah , I've s uh sorry . Um but it c it's not been very popular car probably 'cause it makes um 2524.17 2525.25 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2528.442 2529.29 2528.54 2529.22 Mm no . 2529.22 EN2005a D FEE085 3 2530.504 2535.968 2530.65 2535.35 Okay . So um have you looked at Nate Blaylock's work ? 2530.9 2535.35 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2536.299 2540.25 2536.46 2539.98 Uh so so 'cause I'm I might not familiar with these na - EN2005a D FEE085 3 2539.52 2555.107 2539.68 2555.107 So he has things like , you know , adopt um so basically it's to , you know , collaborative problem solving , you know , more than one person involved , and trying to characterise things as um 2541.41 2541.99 2547.47 2547.75 2549.74 2550.01 2552.14 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2549.625 2550.166 2549.77 2550.05 Mm-hmm . 2550.05 EN2005a D FEE085 3 2557.932 2559.43 2557.99 2559.43 You know , if I 2558.42 EN2005a D FEE085 3 2561.33 2564.953 2561.47 2564.86 I can't remember the I can't remember the names of all the actions . 2564.86 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2562.761 2568.613 2562.9 2568.44 So uh is it the work uh described in the c uh in in uh in the coconut project or something similar ? 2568.44 EN2005a D FEE085 3 2567.854 2575.36 2567.98 2575.28 No , so so the Coconut project is a project that I did with Rich Thomasson and Barbara DiGinio . Have you looked at that ? 2568.33 2574.28 2575.28 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2572.995 2578.626 2573.07 2578.52 Yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah . Y yeah , look uh not very much detail , yeah . 2573.54 2573.88 2574.24 2575.17 2576.14 2578.19 2578.52 EN2005a D FEE085 3 2577.1 2607.339 2577.2 2607.28 Not very clear . No . Though there's a lot of detail in the paper . But you haven't looked at it no in very much detail . Okay , so I think you should , um because it was all these things that are done for joint problem solving and joint action I think are very relevant to look at because these people are solving a problem together , right . So um while these schemes may not have they have some es of the essential components that you need to characterise um joint problem solving . So while th um 2578.13 2579.09 2580.81 2583.75 2584.27 2585.66 2595.42 2596.31 2605.21 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2580.663 2581.436 2580.76 2581.34 Yeah . 2581.34 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2583.161 2585.68 2583.2 2585.5 No , not . Okay . 2583.83 2585.11 2585.5 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2592.896 2593.42 2592.98 2593.38 Yeah . 2593.38 EN2005a D FEE085 3 2607.339 2653.104 2607.84 2653.02 you may think that they're missing something , then we we could certainly augment them . But I think that they have to be looked at . And so so Nate Blaylock tried to okay , so you know , from Gross and Krauss and Gross and Sidener came all this stuff about shared plans and how you really can't understand , you know , dialogue u unless you understand shared plans . But the actual theoretical um or formalisation of it was incredibly complex . And so um Lockbaum simplified it quite and , you know , Sidener and Rich and Collagen have simplified it quite a bit . Um but Nate Blaylock tried to um , you know , define , 2611.62 2614.07 2615.73 2618.41 2619.4 2625.75 2626.02 2628.6 2636.33 2640.88 2641.13 2644.46 2651.09 2652.12 2653.02 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2635.864 2637.178 2635.9 2637.06 Yes , yes . 2636.7 2637.06 EN2005a D FEE085 3 2654.859 2666.182 2654.91 2666.11 you know , what happens after somebody suggests something . Well , you can adopt it , you can well I can't remember you know , okay , but he has uh he has a taxonomy yeah , right . 2655.15 2657.36 2657.91 2659.01 2662.19 2662.48 2665.72 2666.11 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2662.715 2670.666 2662.77 2670.58 Yeah , I know okay . Oh . Uh I know this guy , yeah , yeah . Uh , Jim @'s student . Yeah , I know . No no , in Saa Saarbruecken . Yeah , yeah . Okay . Yeah yeah yeah . Okay . Yeah , I know , her . 2663.12 2663.93 2664.33 2665.1 2665.35 2665.64 2665.85 2666.86 2667.26 2667.6 2667.99 2668.7 2668.84 2669.03 2669.36 2669.8 2669.98 2670.17 2670.35 2670.58 EN2005a D FEE085 3 2667.546 2703.088 2667.59 2703.088 Yeah , yeah . Yeah , exactly , right . Um which we tried to apply to tutoring , but it actually doesn't work very well for tutoring 'cause tutoring's just a totally different ball game . But um it you know , we spent a fair amount of time looking at it and it did strike me that for joint problem solving there w there were some good ideas . And there is , you know , a set of tags and what they mean and , you know , that sort of thing . And then you can also look at , you know , cl you know Clark on joint action . Now he's not gonna give you a set of tags 'cause that's not the kind of guy he is . But um 2667.79 2668.74 2668.99 2669.61 2670.12 2673.01 2678.59 2681.74 2690.49 2691.14 2691.41 2693.27 2693.48 2695.55 2696.97 2697.28 2699.15 2701.93 EN2005a B FEE083 1 2675.763 2676.403 2675.81 2676.3 Different . 2676.3 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2676.569 2678.466 2676.569 2678.3 Okay . 2678.3 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2701.523 2702.82 2701.83 2702.82 No . 2702.73 EN2005a D FEE085 3 2704.777 2731.714 2704.777 2731.68 But the overarching idea , you know , I mean I think accounts for a lot of the ways in which um , you know , these other people are thi are thinking . But I mean I think that we we basically have to merge some of this stuff that's been done , you know , on meetings with some of the stuff that's been done on collaborative problem solving 'cause there's elements of each that seem really important . And I think th 2707.79 2708.69 2712.84 2713.25 2714.8 2721.73 2722.87 2730.78 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2712.367 2712.899 2712.51 2712.78 Mm-hmm . 2712.78 EN2005a B FEE083 1 2728.611 2729.7 2728.71 2729.58 Mm-hmm , yeah . 2729.19 2729.58 EN2005a B FEE083 1 2731.106 2738.853 2731.17 2738.68 Well the first step is find out in the what how much of the material does the collaborative problem solving cover ? So how much of a genre clash is there here ? 2736.59 2738.68 EN2005a D FEE085 3 2739.562 2773.271 2739.81 2773.271 Because it really seems to me that , you know , if you look at and some of this stuff on exchange is like ancient and you know , they didn't have the ability to mark up lots of data and count things , you know . So I mean all the conversational analysis stuff , I mean those guys never count anything , you know . I mean they're uh ps so they see a pattern and then they think it's kinda cute and then they scour the world for third turn repairs , you know . They don't actually say how often do those happen . I mean they worked I mean I know Manny Schegloff really well and they're not counters . They're purposely not counters . They define themselves as non-counters . 2741.39 2742.07 2746.03 2750.49 2750.9 2753.23 2755.42 2756.0 2762.02 2762.29 2765.34 2768.57 2769.94 2772.76 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2755.307 2756.205 2755.4 2756.205 No . 2756.03 EN2005a B FEE083 1 2763.652 2764.192 2763.67 2764.192 Well it's - EN2005a B FEE083 1 2770.112 2787.896 2770.25 2787.76 Yeah . B th But there there are people in the field that are moving that direction , like Martin . And also what's important here is the theoretical clarity about what an initiation and a response is . So what is it that ties um different acts together at a higher level , you know . 2770.78 2775.04 2776.06 2781.81 2787.43 2787.76 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2771.487 2772.011 2771.54 2771.95 Mm-hmm . 2771.95 EN2005a D FEE085 3 2785.658 2796.725 2785.89 2796.69 Mm-hmm . Yeah , th I mean it it does seem like , you know , there's something that we want from that and then there's something that we want from collaborative problem solving . And 2787.15 2787.39 2789.02 2789.28 2796.16 EN2005a B FEE083 1 2795.669 2796.234 2795.75 2796.07 Mm-hmm . 2796.07 EN2005a D FEE085 3 2798.28 2805.642 2798.33 2805.642 if you l if you take the exchange stuff , it's not gonna d quite do everything you want , and if you look at the collaborative problem solving stuff , maybe it won't do every that you want . And so 2799.84 2801.46 2803.35 2804.97 EN2005a B FEE083 1 2807.296 2838.569 2807.55 2838.25 But I think more important than looking at um whether parts of the meeting are highly interactive or not so interactive is uh looking at what sort of task the people are trying to do at the moment . So you know , are they doing um uh i are are they uh i as in the kick off meeting just exchanging information to get started with a project or are they uh actually addressing some specific design um criteria at the moment . Should try to decide which shape the thing is . 2819.65 2820.49 2836.15 2838.25 EN2005a B FEE083 1 2838.569 2869.548 2838.89 2869.548 Um because that's going to affect the kinds of relations that you get between the utterances . And so that is much more like um the um the literature from McGrath about the different kinds of activities groups get into . So I think that's another thing that has to be pulled into this because um you you do require different uh uh different kinds of relations . Or you expect different kinds of relations from some over-arching set in um those different kinds of activities . Uh 2844.19 2853.84 2863.2 2869.16 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2853.092 2853.682 2853.17 2853.6 Yeah . 2853.6 EN2005a D FEE085 3 2856.442 2857.017 2856.52 2856.88 Hmm . 2856.88 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2868.502 2888.372 2868.64 2888.2 Yeah . So main actions I guess might be some some high level uh problem solving or decision making uh uh concepts , uh not like the exchange which which I I would like to be very low level utterance to utterance relations . 2870.3 2879.98 2888.2 EN2005a B FEE083 1 2890.493 2892.847 2890.62 2892.74 Um so what's the high level version again ? P s 2892.6 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2892.773 2899.199 2892.98 2899.04 Uh I mean uh I mean the m main actions might be some it might be , yeah , built built 2897.68 2897.94 EN2005a C FEO084 2 2894.009 2895.392 2894.08 2895.34 Meeting action . 2895.34 EN2005a B FEE083 1 2896.465 2910.305 2896.7 2910.08 Right , okay . I mean i the meeting actions is just gonna be a segmentation . It's not going to present any s any micro-structure . So it's just gonna say from here to here they're doing something . That's all that that scheme is gonna do . 2897.01 2897.39 2900.95 2905.44 2908.19 2910.08 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2905.08 2906.56 2905.14 2906.39 Okay , so well w 2905.42 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2908.198 2909.079 2908.22 2908.92 Okay . 2908.92 EN2005a D FEE085 3 2908.8 2919.445 2908.82 2919.35 Like somebody's writing on the white-board or I mean the w meeting actions they presented at the review seemed really low level to me , like somebody stood up . 2917.99 2919.35 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2910.302 2911.117 2910.34 2911.05 Okay . 2911.05 EN2005a B FEE083 1 2912.966 2914.13 2913.71 2914.13 W - EN2005a B FEE083 1 2915.793 2916.45 2915.81 2916.31 It's n - EN2005a B FEE083 1 2919.26 2942.863 2919.35 2942.73 That's not no , those well , that's individual actions . And the meeting actions are meant to b uh become more um semantic and more theoretical than the kind IDIAP have traditionally used . So so we need to still preserve some uh sense of the activity . But rather than saying it is somebody's at the white-board , it'll be , you know , that somebody's explaining something that the others are focussed on . 2920.34 2920.92 2922.79 2930.57 2935.25 2937.8 2938.41 2938.64 2942.73 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2919.449 2922.891 2919.63 2922.81 Okay . Physical . Some kind of physical actions , yeah . 2921.05 2921.6 2922.56 2922.81 EN2005a D FEE085 3 2927.304 2927.972 2927.42 2927.85 Okay . 2927.85 EN2005a D FEE085 3 2929.715 2931.532 2929.78 2931.46 Okay . Okay . 2931.15 2931.46 EN2005a D FEE085 3 2937.686 2938.342 2937.81 2938.19 Okay . 2938.19 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2941.321 2941.937 2941.39 2941.85 Okay . 2941.85 EN2005a D FEE085 3 2941.218 2954.597 2941.41 2954.45 I mean I I realise it's important to recognise that , you know , what Wei-Xun got up and went to the white-board . I realise that's important , you know . But I d was kind of surprised that those meeting actions . So Yeah , mm okay . 2944.33 2944.77 2946.92 2948.28 2948.76 2952.37 2953.81 2954.45 EN2005a B FEE083 1 2948.494 2949.292 2948.57 2949.23 Yeah . 2949.23 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2952.355 2970.575 2952.355 2970.575 Yeah , different scheme , yeah . So yeah uh th the the main actions that uh you're talk about I think might be , yeah , built up from the exchange , yeah . Ex at least exchange might be uh one kind of uh important information for that kind of 2954.14 2954.68 2955.45 2960.59 2961.0 2963.13 2963.37 EN2005a B FEE083 1 2952.431 2954.709 2952.51 2954.56 It's it's a different scheme . Yeah . 2954.21 2954.56 EN2005a B FEE083 1 2969.42 2996.631 2969.55 2996.46 Mm-hmm . Well you might need the meeting action segmentation in order to know where what uh what area you're circumventing for so , it's just exchange structure in this area that you're looking at , and then that's a solid boundary between the next bit or something . I don't know . Um but w well , time's getting on . So , you know , what practical things can we do to help this work move forward ? So y show what else 2969.97 2978.37 2981.05 2984.22 2985.18 2988.98 2990.24 2990.63 2990.84 2994.82 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2984.895 2985.519 2984.98 2985.44 Yeah . 2985.44 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2989.951 2990.783 2990.04 2990.64 Yeah , okay . 2990.34 2990.64 EN2005a A MEO082 0 2997.769 3007.383 2997.89 3007.14 Next . Yeah . So yeah , for the monologue I've I have not uh looked into the details about the this kind of uh relations for the monologue parts . 2998.54 2998.89 2999.48 3007.14 EN2005a B FEE083 1 2998.061 3000.064 2998.1 2999.77 you're you're thinking about , yeah . 2999.55 2999.77 EN2005a A MEO082 0 3010.268 3014.53 3010.268 3014.44 Just a list of these uh relations . 3014.44 EN2005a A MEO082 0 3017.332 3070.728 3017.35 3070.61 And uh so uh next I need to uh review the literature and uh come up with s schemes for the real data annotation . And after that uh we w 'cause this mm is not in the hub corpus . So we are not going to get l all the meetings annotated with that kind of . So uh so we we might ju first try a few meetings and uh have a reliability study . If it's reliable enough , then we must just uh just annotate a small part of the meetings and using some learning techniques to boot boot-strap the uh uh automatic uh analyser . 3032.06 3038.03 3045.57 3055.73 3057.93 3070.61 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3031.76 3032.367 3031.87 3032.24 Mm-hmm . 3032.24 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3039.078 3039.585 3039.11 3039.43 Mm-hmm . 3039.43 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3045.364 3045.896 3045.47 3045.85 Mm-hmm . 3045.85 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3070.976 3083.472 3070.976 3083.38 . Well m marking up exchange structure if if it's there and if um if you've got a working scheme for it is relatively cheap . It's a lot cheaper than doing dialogue act coding in the first place . 3070.976 3081.03 3083.38 EN2005a A MEO082 0 3075.359 3076.025 3075.49 3075.91 Mm-hmm . 3075.91 EN2005a A MEO082 0 3081.882 3085.75 3081.99 3085.64 Yeah , if uh if it's based on the uh um dialogue acts , yeah . 3082.19 3085.38 3085.64 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3086.84 3122.616 3086.94 3122.53 Um right , well one presumes it is , otherwise it's gonna be ra radically expensive to do any kind of mark-up . So um the you know , it's something that we can look at , but you need to what we need it's more important than knowing , you know , that we need exchange structure marked up on X_ amount of data at this point is knowing um where you're headed with this , I think . So what's the good that that uh the project gets out of this in the end . So you know , what's the w what's the headline results of the work on the project , I think is is what we're trying to get a sense of here . 3088.15 3089.26 3093.89 3096.83 3098.71 3102.44 3102.69 3109.2 3109.52 3114.53 3115.3 3120.21 3122.53 EN2005a A MEO082 0 3092.42 3092.911 3092.48 3092.79 Mm-hmm . 3092.79 EN2005a A MEO082 0 3124.417 3125.09 3124.46 3125.09 Hmm - EN2005a A MEO082 0 3126.708 3127.415 3126.75 3127.38 Yes . 3127.38 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3126.898 3151.833 3127.03 3151.74 So you get your exchange structure marked up . And say we just put in the money , get exchange structure marked up on that entire hub or , you know , figure out how to boot-strap it so we we get this um uh how do you how do you sell that as a as a project goal , you know ? 'Cause people are gonna say exchange structure , so what . What do wh what do you what how do you plug that into the rest the stuff , right ? Yeah . 3129.0 3131.2 3133.69 3133.96 3143.54 3143.77 3145.59 3147.08 3150.93 3151.31 3151.74 EN2005a A MEO082 0 3143.715 3144.447 3143.77 3144.33 Hmm . 3144.33 EN2005a A MEO082 0 3149.191 3155.374 3149.37 3155.374 Or fits the meeting browser . Yeah . Okay , so mm 3150.97 3152.76 3153.62 EN2005a A MEO082 0 3159.724 3163.067 3159.74 3162.94 This might not be - EN2005a A MEO082 0 3164.607 3186.741 3164.64 3186.741 the final goal that uh that could be fit into the uh browser . But it uh might be some kind of uh uh information which might benefit meeting actions or some more high level decision making or problem solving . 'Cause this is the building blocks , I guess , yeah . So 3171.39 3182.95 3184.89 3185.76 3186.1 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3182.384 3183.024 3182.48 3182.82 Mm-hmm . 3182.82 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3186.048 3224.69 3186.13 3224.38 Yeah . See 'cause I think that um just to make this m more efficient , you should be thinking about the high-level goal in order to focus the work that you're doing rather than thinking well , you know , there's these theories , you know , how can we apply these theories to it . Um and then seeing what comes out of that that might be useful for the meeting browser , actually trying to say yeah , we have a goal of being able to do this with the meeting browser , um what kinds of dialogue structure would we need to be able to do that . I mean uh I don't know , maybe you'd wanna disagree with that , but I this more goal directed might actually make it easier to um bring these things to publication in the long run , right ? 3186.97 3192.17 3198.25 3198.44 3199.67 3199.92 3202.02 3206.34 3207.57 3211.53 3214.77 3215.37 3216.78 3224.1 3224.38 EN2005a A MEO082 0 3191.88 3192.396 3191.96 3192.33 Mm-hmm . 3192.33 EN2005a A MEO082 0 3194.576 3195.175 3194.63 3195.07 Yeah . 3195.07 EN2005a A MEO082 0 3206.558 3207.098 3206.63 3207.05 Okay . 3207.05 EN2005a A MEO082 0 3214.599 3215.131 3214.68 3214.98 Mm-hmm . 3214.98 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3225.936 3230.018 3226.01 3229.95 Well I think we should approach it both ways . I mean uh you know , I I d 3227.86 3229.27 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3232.688 3245.454 3232.95 3245.454 You know , the meeting browser people have a lot of constraints . And so what they end up with saying is most critical for them right now might not be the most interesting thing in the longer term . And so 3233.16 3235.9 3244.53 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3244.016 3250.179 3244.14 3249.99 Right . It's not necessarily what they say . But it's something at least identify something that we'd hope to get out of it , you know . 3244.66 3246.04 3249.61 3249.99 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3249.973 3260.538 3250.2 3260.538 Right . I mean people have said over and over again that they would like to understand how a decision has evolved , right . Um and I think that 3250.67 3256.95 3257.64 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3256.78 3257.32 3256.88 3257.18 Mm-hmm . 3257.18 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3262.354 3271.441 3262.37 3271.441 Well , I don't know if all of this low level stuff would allow you to track that kind of thing , but it might at least be the building blocks of allowing you to track that kind of thing and 3263.04 3266.66 EN2005a A MEO082 0 3270.206 3283.155 3270.34 3283.09 Yeah , yeah . So after this if uh if uh uh we might do some mm pe uh from here we might be some uh uh , yeah , c problem solving , decision making process to track that kind of information . Yeah . 3270.69 3270.98 3278.95 3279.2 3280.22 3282.86 3283.09 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3277.6 3279.744 3277.88 3279.32 Yeah , some higher level yeah . 3278.15 3279.32 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3281.776 3282.339 3281.84 3282.19 Yeah . 3282.19 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3282.972 3297.926 3283.19 3297.89 So I mean I think it's clear that something at this level needs to be there . I mean and to ask questions , like who disagreed or were there any counter proposals or whatever . Even those kind of questions you need some kind of mark-up like this . 3288.97 3290.72 3294.39 3297.89 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3297.449 3323.089 3297.49 3322.99 I It just helps you know which theory you should be concentrating on . So you know , that immediately discounts exchange um structures that are mostly for information seeking alone because the notion exchange is to restrict it there , and in favour of um these these more argumentative things . So I mean uh I do think you should keep in mind what the final goal is so that you can plug this into something at the end and and um show some benefit of having the mark-up . 3301.12 3301.62 3309.65 3314.0 3322.99 EN2005a A MEO082 0 3317.636 3318.185 3317.74 3318.12 Yeah . 3318.12 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3323.552 3327.776 3323.86 3327.66 Well that brings up something interesting because I think probably what we should do is try to get - EN2005a D FEE085 3 3331.328 3332.512 3331.39 3332.48 you know , some of these 3331.67 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3335.296 3376.688 3335.39 3376.4 tasks sort of put on , you know , sort of as part of the official agenda . So being able to answer questions like um were there any counter proposals to the bana you know , banana shape or whatever . Um uh or to some specific , you know , recommendation and things like that . I mean , you know , those , you know , strike me as cl clear things that , you know , people who go to decision making meetings want to know if they've missed one or are arriving late or anything like that . So it wou it seems like we should probably get some of these things on the official agenda and say look , you know , wouldn't it be nice if you could have answers to these questions , or something . 3336.75 3337.05 3338.73 3346.09 3347.59 3351.01 3351.44 3352.96 3354.37 3354.71 3355.73 3356.06 3358.41 3358.69 3365.06 3370.83 3372.09 3375.83 3376.4 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3348.192 3348.823 3348.22 3348.67 Mm-hmm . 3348.67 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3363.952 3364.593 3363.97 3364.48 Yeah . 3364.48 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3375.216 3380.079 3375.29 3380.0 Yeah . I mean operationally it's not gonna much difference whether it's hub or not , right , because 3375.63 3379.15 3379.42 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3381.536 3393.52 3381.57 3393.52 we've got the bank of people . We have to get the hub stuff through , but um you know , he's n not ready with an annotation scheme that can be used at the moment anyway . So And it it's not that expensive . I mean it's something that we can afford off budget 'cause 3382.54 3384.07 3385.49 3388.79 3391.4 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3381.852 3382.53 3381.94 3382.1 Oh . 3382.1 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3389.338 3390.716 3389.44 3390.716 No , m So 3389.78 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3392.964 3432.426 3393.02 3432.3 And I think we wouldn't wanna necessarily do this on ICSI data . I think the ICSI data is too too complex , and there aren't enough real decisions made , you know , that you could clearly identify . I mean there are some , but and not that I've read more than about two meetings . But um I think , w it , you know w well , so one thing that's gonna be interesting is the , I think to me , is the um what can you do because presumably the um D_F_K_I_ folk or somebody is gonna mark up a lot of the data with sort of tags about ontology , right ? 3396.28 3399.12 3402.45 3402.85 3404.18 3404.99 3408.31 3411.12 3411.59 3413.89 3417.31 3418.29 3431.88 3432.3 EN2005a A MEO082 0 3397.84 3399.811 3397.93 3399.66 Messy . Yeah , yeah . 3399.29 3399.51 3399.66 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3398.086 3401.487 3398.15 3401.36 Yeah , it uh and it's too different a genre , yeah . 3398.48 3400.91 3401.36 EN2005a A MEO082 0 3401.474 3403.112 3401.52 3403.0 Hmm . Mm-hmm . 3402.58 3403.0 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3405.712 3406.351 3405.74 3406.15 Mm . 3406.15 EN2005a A MEO082 0 3406.787 3408.933 3406.94 3408.85 Ye Yeah . Yeah . 3408.38 3408.85 EN2005a A MEO082 0 3431.874 3432.491 3431.98 3432.37 Mm-hmm . 3432.37 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3432.211 3432.736 3432.3 3432.68 Mm-hmm . 3432.68 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3432.426 3483.345 3432.62 3483.03 So we know , you know , somebody will have gone and by hand and sort of marked up som something l like shallow semanticy kinds of things , right , or maybe deeper semanticy things , but that but you know , not really in a in a formal language , but mostly just , you know , tags , right ? Um and then the question is , well , how does you know , just the way people typically do this is , you know , let's take these semantic features into or these features into account and see how well we do with the the learning , and then let's throw these features out and see how well we do , um because we know we're gonna have them , because one or two sides is really intr are really interested in this ontology stuff , right ? I mean T_N_O_ is and D_F_K_I_ is , right . 3434.27 3434.46 3440.59 3440.84 3444.36 3446.18 3448.91 3450.0 3450.39 3451.17 3452.02 3456.28 3457.95 3458.73 3461.67 3462.7 3468.09 3471.14 3473.82 3478.55 3478.84 3482.54 3483.03 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3440.804 3444.058 3440.87 3443.96 Yeah , that's not help either . But yeah , they're sure to do that . 3441.53 3442.49 3442.94 3443.96 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3478.863 3479.345 3478.94 3479.22 Mm-hmm . 3479.22 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3482.527 3482.976 3482.62 3482.82 Mm-hmm . 3482.82 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3483.345 3532.994 3483.6 3532.82 So there will be some kind of domain semantics . And there will also be presumably some kind of task hierarchy modelling going on in I mean 'cause the whole browser working group um final um sort of presentation on that second day was about , you know , knowing the task , right . And very you know , details about which task is this you know , which sub-task is this little chunk of the meeting addressing and furthering in various ways , right . Which seems like it would be really hard in an open domain . 3488.47 3510.55 3510.83 3512.8 3513.49 3515.48 3519.34 3526.49 3528.11 3532.82 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3498.351 3498.858 3498.4 3498.77 In the m - EN2005a B FEE083 1 3512.768 3513.195 3512.82 3513.06 Mm-hmm . 3513.06 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3527.766 3528.24 3527.79 3528.1 Y - EN2005a B FEE083 1 3535.137 3538.347 3535.16 3538.347 Um well , I don't remember that about the w I mean the 3536.36 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3537.797 3548.079 3537.97 3548.079 You remember when Steve came in , Steve Whittaker came in at the end and said , you know , they'd spent the morning talking and they came up with this idea . Um 3539.86 3541.98 3542.25 3547.34 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3547.426 3559.645 3547.63 3559.645 Oh , but that was about what task the person doing the browsing was gonna do . It w they didn't say anything about what sort of information they'd want from the meeting itself . It w it was about uh i 3547.75 3551.58 3557.04 EN2005a C FEO084 2 3547.851 3548.279 3547.95 3548.05 Mm . 3548.05 EN2005a C FEO084 2 3558.917 3574.512 3558.917 3574.41 They just mention that they want decision um for issues , action items . I think they are more talking about um user requirement for the meeting than soft text , they want to know 3564.22 3566.07 3573.38 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3576.208 3584.261 3576.24 3584.261 No , they said people are talking about tasks , you know . I mean they really they made it clear that they were that that was gonna be heavily 3576.89 3579.54 3580.03 EN2005a C FEO084 2 3576.315 3578.624 3576.35 3578.59 what happened happening in a meeting . 3578.59 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3582.652 3598.271 3582.8 3598.271 That was the that we the browser task . You know they've identified these seven different tasks people might wanna do with browsers , um you know , like uh join a meeting late and ch um catch up on what's happened in the meeting so far , be at home waiting for the washing repair guy . And 3584.38 3588.78 3589.7 3595.06 3597.93 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3597.562 3610.576 3597.67 3610.54 No , those are the s those are the scenarios . Those are the user scenarios . The task what what he came back and said that at the end , I mean it actually kind kind of scared me , because it was all based around tasks . 3597.82 3600.19 3602.28 3605.65 3607.54 3610.54 EN2005a C FEO084 2 3597.984 3598.804 3597.984 3598.76 they say that ? 3598.76 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3602.462 3602.977 3602.49 3602.86 Yeah . 3602.86 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3611.056 3613.043 3611.12 3612.95 Okay , well c maybe . 3611.51 3612.95 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3612.335 3621.28 3612.42 3621.2 And and the domain tasks , okay , they're now they now have to decide how many buttons to put on this thing . I mean it was all about the domain task . 3614.44 3614.95 3618.57 3621.2 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3622.709 3623.341 3622.84 3623.17 Okay . 3623.17 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3622.946 3638.894 3623.06 3638.72 And it is really the it and given that , uh it it's really scary to think about what you could possibly do in an open domain where you don't where you don't know what the tasks are . And I don't think you're gonna be able to figure them out uh very reliably . 3625.84 3633.85 3638.72 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3637.072 3637.595 3637.11 3637.47 Mm-hmm . 3637.47 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3639.266 3646.737 3639.68 3646.737 But I thought you wanted to avoid doing stuff that was s stuck in this particular domain if possible . But you know , th they weren't concentrating 3644.79 3645.4 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3645.216 3652.205 3645.33 3652.03 I do , but the whole project is , you know , focussed on AMI hub data as their first priority . 3645.9 3647.8 3648.19 3652.03 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3652.584 3660.729 3652.78 3660.54 Well yeah . But that doesn't mean you have to be um using the techniques that you can be using open-domain techn 3654.79 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3659.03 3676.128 3659.42 3676.09 N no no no no no , but I mean if the if the if they had th they had this sort of epiphany at the end of this meeting where they decided well why are people browsing this . Well it's all to see how , you know , how the participants were furthering their tasks . 3660.74 3670.95 3673.1 3673.63 3676.09 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3677.488 3678.06 3677.52 3677.92 Mm-hmm . 3677.92 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3682.368 3684.624 3682.46 3684.55 And you don't think that can be done in open domain at all . 3684.55 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3686.128 3698.376 3686.15 3698.376 'Cause we don't wanna get into um working with ontologies . I mean one of the strengths of this grouping was that , yeah , they all work with the closed domain ontologies and we'll do the open-domain side of things . So 3688.64 3691.59 3691.76 3697.82 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3699.989 3701.629 3700.04 3701.45 I don't know . We'll see . 3701.14 3701.45 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3700.251 3716.608 3700.44 3716.57 Well right . And then , yes , and then there was this confusion about the um last spider phone conference that the messages telling people to call came out after the meeting happened , at least to some of us . 3700.99 3701.67 3701.97 3715.49 3716.57 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3716.688 3719.108 3716.71 3718.92 Oh right , yeah . So we don't know what happened at that one . Yeah . 3717.05 3717.21 3718.63 3718.92 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3720.243 3736.947 3720.71 3736.84 So um I mean we'll we'll get that back on track . But I think that um we don't you know , there will be some meeting browser demo that um , you know I I think it's an interesting question of okay well , if you have knowledge , here's what you can do . If you don't have that knowledge 3723.25 3726.12 3729.69 3733.03 3734.07 3735.43 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3737.28 3737.736 3737.31 3737.56 Mm-hmm . 3737.56 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3738.537 3742.561 3738.63 3742.561 you have to do different things and , you know , you can't necessarily 3740.34 3740.67 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3743.514 3757.779 3743.6 3757.57 Yeah . So you're advising Wei-Xun that he should be using like any ontologies and propositional content that um D_F_K_I_ and T_N_O_ bank in the C_V_S_ repository , or or not ? That's what I'm not clear on . 3744.11 3754.45 3756.52 3757.57 EN2005a A MEO082 0 3756.231 3757.82 3756.29 3757.67 Yeah , ma ma uh s 3756.56 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3756.383 3800.574 3756.49 3800.574 Well I think when he does re when he does lear these learning experiments , he should do 'em two ways . Because he will have this opportunity with or without . And then we can see like well without , you know , these tags so you know , Alex was showing um yesterday well without knowing the head word of the utterance at the leaf , you know , you get these kinds of results , and when you add that in , you get these other kinds of results . And you know , I think yeah . Um so I think if we have those features , it's , you know , it's a rare orp or rare opportunity that you can , you know , you can try one head to head against the other . Um and then of course to make sure that you really um 3761.01 3762.61 3765.22 3767.83 3768.14 3769.86 3777.26 3778.5 3779.77 3780.79 3782.23 3782.72 3785.07 3788.48 3788.65 3788.9 3791.76 3792.57 3795.56 EN2005a A MEO082 0 3759.267 3759.799 3759.37 3759.75 Mm-hmm . 3759.75 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3763.218 3765.859 3763.33 3765.77 With our without . Mm-hmm . Okay . 3764.3 3765.38 3765.77 EN2005a A MEO082 0 3765.154 3766.776 3765.24 3766.776 Yeah , that's kind of uh 3765.8 EN2005a A MEO082 0 3781.506 3784.516 3781.58 3784.3 Yeah , yeah , yeah . Different feature combination , yeah . 3781.8 3782.23 3782.52 3783.81 3784.3 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3791.587 3793.466 3791.68 3793.34 Can actually try . Mm-hmm . Yeah . 3792.63 3793.0 3793.34 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3802.39 3812.23 3802.45 3812.11 I don't know when they'll bank these by the way . Um 'cause that's it's not hub . So i it's one of these things where everybody's supposed to bank as many things as possible . So you know w 3804.3 3806.12 3811.21 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3810.575 3823.998 3810.7 3823.998 Right . Well we won't I mean we won't use 'em till they're ready obviously . So we might do the sort of open domain , I mean a although it will be a closed domain , I mean we we can't use any domain information necessarily . Uh 3812.02 3814.72 3818.14 3820.05 3823.45 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3820.868 3822.489 3820.93 3822.43 Yeah . But open . 3821.61 3822.43 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3826.3 3848.492 3826.47 3848.492 I mean , there probably are a bunch of issues like if you've got a hundred hours of meetings and they all talk about a lot of the same things , then it's ea it it's not really open domain and somehow that sneaks into all the statistics anyway 'cause you don't have such a wide vocabulary and , you know 3829.05 3837.97 3847.9 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3837.568 3840.128 3837.63 3840.01 Yeah , it's not really an open domain task , yeah . 3837.87 3839.78 3840.01 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3847.819 3855.603 3847.98 3855.603 Well eventually the hub is supposed to be forty percent non-scenario . But that data's definitely gonna be kind of coming in the last . So 3852.51 3855.14 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3851.872 3852.48 3851.99 3852.44 Right . 3852.44 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3855.5 3869.519 3855.57 3869.46 Sure , so we might find that when we move from what we thought was open domain , but on the hub , you know , our results go down when we truly are getting meeting yeah . So I mean that'll be interesting . 3855.88 3860.63 3862.15 3862.42 3867.45 3869.46 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3864.823 3876.54 3864.91 3876.38 Mm-hmm . Yeah . That's quite reasonable . W we've got five ISCA meetings actually which are still uh an elicitation task , but they're not our domain . So that should help some . 3865.39 3866.29 3869.06 3873.04 3875.31 3876.38 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3878.352 3879.712 3878.38 3879.64 Okay , well that's good . 3878.78 3879.64 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3879.5 3891.528 3879.56 3891.528 And they've been declared hub . So so they'll accrue all of the normal an annotations . Of course yeah , you'll you'll never get the T_N_O_ and D_F_K_I_ stuff on it 'cause they're only billing stuff for the one to make the 3881.03 3885.64 3886.3 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3891.36 3904.939 3891.68 3904.78 So okay . So we wanna decide um what Wei-Xun should do next and maybe think about meeting in , I don't know , a month or something . Yeah , mm-hmm . 3892.61 3901.53 3902.64 3904.0 3904.48 3904.78 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3902.304 3907.2 3902.32 3907.02 Yeah , just figure out how we're gonna help him to to try to make this more efficient . 3902.61 3907.02 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3909.478 3925.538 3909.97 3925.29 Um so before we do that , can I just ask you a question about chunking ? In the beginning you said something about you were doing this chunking um and you're doing it on the ICSI data , but this was did you say it th wasn't picked up in AMI or you I I I was confused about w 3911.44 3914.2 3920.18 EN2005a A MEO082 0 3913.662 3914.926 3913.74 3914.87 Yeah , yes . 3914.51 3914.87 EN2005a A MEO082 0 3924.596 3948.193 3924.7 3948.1 Uh uh yeah . Uh I mean I was supposed to chunk uh some part of the AMI meetings , you know , to see if the chunker channel switchboard works well enough or not . If not , then mm we have to use some kind of semi-superv supervised learning or some uh boot-strapping to to to do the chunking . 3925.46 3932.04 3932.45 3938.25 3938.7 3948.1 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3925.248 3925.907 3925.44 3925.73 Yeah . 3925.73 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3937.472 3938.043 3937.56 3937.96 Mm-hmm . 3937.96 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3944.176 3944.688 3944.21 3944.57 Mm-hmm . 3944.57 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3949.072 3950.458 3949.15 3950.38 And you and you haven't done it yet . 3950.38 EN2005a A MEO082 0 3950.373 3955.863 3950.44 3955.83 No , no , 'cause I was a bit worried about uh this kind of uh discourse structure , yeah . 3951.03 3951.26 3955.56 3955.83 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3956.032 3960.557 3956.23 3960.36 Tha that's fine . So that's still on the agenda to do at some point . 3957.02 3960.36 EN2005a A MEO082 0 3957.452 3957.992 3957.49 3957.86 Yeah . 3957.86 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3959.634 3963.271 3959.7 3963.14 Yeah , but we should make sure we finish that off , because otherwise that work's just wasted , right . 3959.97 3961.33 3962.92 3963.14 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3963.47 3965.153 3963.53 3965.153 Yeah . Exactly . That's 3963.96 3964.8 EN2005a A MEO082 0 3964.594 3965.11 3964.63 3964.96 Yeah . 3964.96 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3964.66 3971.056 3964.73 3971.01 We're gonna use chunks for something useful . Yeah , chunks are gonna be named entities if nothing else . 3967.12 3967.43 3971.01 EN2005a A MEO082 0 3966.957 3967.423 3967.0 3967.38 Okay . 3967.38 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3967.506 3988.672 3967.59 3988.6 Well so I mean right . Um or building blocks . I mean so I mean we have to think about how s chunking interacts with the automatic segmentation , you know . Because um Barbara was showing the low level . 3972.1 3976.79 3982.7 3982.97 3988.6 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3985.33 3987.06 3985.46 3986.97 Automatic segmentation at which level ? 3986.97 EN2005a A MEO082 0 3988.653 3991.813 3988.653 3991.75 Uh dialogue segmentaton . Yeah , okay . 3990.83 3991.29 3991.75 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3988.923 3991.724 3989.05 3991.54 Uh-huh . Dialogue act , yeah . 3989.97 3991.12 3991.54 EN2005a D FEE085 3 3992.857 4010.769 3993.19 4010.769 And I mean it seems to me that chunking should have some kind of so if if your dialogue act segmenter says there's there's a segment here , but your chunker said no , this is a coherent chunk , then y y you know , w I mean maybe they could work together to do a better job than 4000.65 4001.71 4003.81 4006.29 EN2005a B FEE083 1 3999.584 4000.09 3999.6 3999.96 Yeah . 3999.96 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4003.308 4005.525 4003.37 4005.45 Yeah , and that's a problem . Yeah . 4003.9 4004.95 4005.45 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4011.184 4046.008 4011.26 4046.008 Certainly if if you've got chunks it ought to help you know where your dialogue act boundaries better not be . Yeah . Mm-hmm . And it may be even more mechanical than that based on the um examples we're seeing from D_F_K_I_ . 'Cause they're they're hand marking stuff and the dialogue act boundaries are supposed to be intentional . Um but they seem to always be marking them that um uh after verbs , you know , with clause m uh it's very it looks quite mechanical . So we're querying them about this because that's not the way they're supposed to be doing it . And 4016.09 4017.75 4018.42 4024.02 4029.19 4037.75 4038.03 4041.76 4045.69 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4015.916 4017.296 4016.01 4016.89 Right . Yeah . 4016.6 4016.89 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4017.764 4018.928 4017.83 4018.928 Mm-hmm . 4018.21 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4023.876 4024.5 4023.96 4024.24 Mm-hmm . 4024.24 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4036.161 4039.664 4036.36 4039.54 Periods . Oh , after uh right . 4037.33 4037.57 4039.54 EN2005a C FEO084 2 4037.885 4038.999 4038.44 4038.93 Hmm . Mm-hmm . 4038.64 4038.93 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4042.985 4050.252 4043.09 4050.2 Okay . Right , okay . Good . So it sounds like well w 4044.99 4045.3 4047.03 4047.85 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4049.317 4071.669 4049.66 4071.58 Well hold on . But when do we need chunking by ? And it you know , so y I don't like the idea that , you know , you start something and then eighteen months later you pick up to do the last ten percent of the work to finish it off or whatever . So it I like things kinda tidy . Right . So how much work is there left and when do we actually need it by would be useful to discuss . 4050.25 4052.22 4053.04 4054.62 4054.81 4060.74 4064.47 4064.91 4071.58 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4065.064 4066.609 4065.43 4066.609 Well how much AMI - EN2005a D FEE085 3 4072.324 4077.863 4072.44 4077.57 Well , you wanted to do the chunking on the AMI data , right ? Because m 4072.81 4074.82 4076.13 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4075.228 4075.81 4075.34 4075.67 Yeah . 4075.67 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4077.115 4088.002 4077.21 4088.002 The AMI data is is there . There's I mean there's hub set A_ is transcribed I think um in final form . You we can check the Wikis . But you know , the data is rolling in . So 4079.26 4083.12 4084.54 4085.4 4087.26 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4087.393 4110.449 4087.83 4110.37 So we got stuck at some point on evaluation of chunking , right . The problem was you didn't have ICSI data that was hand labelled for chunks . And we decided labelling the ICSI data for chunks would be probably difficult and maybe not very useful . And so it it mi 4092.48 4092.82 4100.13 4109.16 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4097.681 4100.583 4097.78 4100.5 Or AMI data . N no . 4100.07 4100.5 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4109.04 4116.343 4109.34 4116.343 And but Barbara still says somebody's done this for chunks . I'll have to look up , you know , so 4113.5 4114.53 4114.8 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4113.083 4113.923 4113.14 4113.923 Okay . So 4113.59 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4114.416 4152.182 4114.52 4151.97 Okay , if there if there was if there was hand labelled data that you could evaluate again so train on some and evaluate on some , wouldn't that um 'cause you've trained on Switchboard , right , where there there are chunks . So if you had some ICSI data that you could maybe use , I don't know , um as a what's the n there's t there's a training set and then there's the development set and then there's the test set . Maybe you'd use some chunked ICSI stuff as development or something and do some last tweaks and then evaluate . But you know , w h I mean I can see why Wei-Xun didn't wanna spend his time chunking ICSI d 4114.99 4121.76 4124.3 4124.66 4126.51 4132.01 4133.31 4139.18 4145.94 4147.11 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4124.585 4125.084 4124.69 4124.92 Mm-hmm . 4124.92 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4133.168 4133.933 4133.27 4133.86 Yeah . 4133.86 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4142.436 4142.935 4142.52 4142.84 Mm-hmm . 4142.84 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4145.317 4146.015 4145.39 4145.85 Mm . 4145.85 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4164.972 4170.336 4165.06 4170.11 Which means we have to get some portion of the data hand-chunked . 4170.11 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4168.982 4172.16 4169.06 4172.11 Hand-chunked . Mm-hmm . But 4170.37 4171.81 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4173.732 4177.0 4173.8 4176.91 that shouldn't be that hard to do , right ? How much data do you need ? 4174.92 4175.6 4176.91 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4178.543 4181.006 4178.61 4180.92 How much um well - EN2005a B FEE083 1 4179.459 4183.833 4179.459 4183.833 I don't read lips . What was that ? Was it hard ? 4180.91 4182.46 4183.62 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4182.404 4183.371 4182.49 4183.371 how much - EN2005a C FEO084 2 4183.12 4183.569 4183.12 4183.569 . 4183.569 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4184.874 4189.217 4184.94 4189.08 in Switchboard . Switchboard is all chunked . Right . 4186.8 4188.82 4189.08 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4188.12 4188.519 4188.22 4188.4 Yeah . 4188.4 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4188.395 4204.474 4188.49 4204.36 Yeah . They the data how much data you need was not a problem with the Switchboard 'cause he had lots . So he didn't have to think about how much . So we need to know how much data you need hand-chunked . And then uh how do you hand-chunk stuff , right . So you were were working on instructions for doing hand-chunking . 4188.94 4194.04 4195.34 4198.53 4200.63 4201.48 4204.36 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4195.41 4195.974 4195.52 4195.88 Right . 4195.88 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4198.208 4198.752 4198.25 4198.752 Well - EN2005a A MEO082 0 4205.278 4206.101 4205.34 4205.91 Mm . 4205.91 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4205.674 4208.783 4205.76 4208.58 No , you had Penn tree-bank parses , and you made chunks from that . 4206.02 4207.4 4208.58 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4207.078 4227.2 4207.59 4227.12 For Switchboard , yeah . But then he there were two possible options for uh for doing this on the AMI data . You could either um essentially go the same route as they did with the Switchboard um , you know , do the Penn tree-bank and then create the chunks off that , or you could chunk directly . And it wasn't clear to us which one of those two methods was the right way to do this . 4208.44 4208.79 4213.71 4218.76 4218.96 4221.65 4224.13 4227.12 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4208.695 4209.984 4208.8 4209.93 Yeah , yeah , for Switchboard , yeah . 4209.07 4209.24 4209.63 4209.93 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4220.972 4221.567 4221.07 4221.4 Mm-hmm . 4221.4 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4228.793 4233.832 4228.82 4233.78 Direct chunking , 'cause we are not going to in a tree out of the AMI data . 4229.57 4233.78 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4235.2 4237.884 4235.24 4237.8 Right , well , so you'd have to produce as part of this exercise . 4235.48 4235.7 4237.8 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4235.41 4239.878 4235.52 4239.79 Is anybody gonna parse ? Is any gonna try to anybody try to parse the AMI data ? 4237.08 4239.79 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4240.896 4242.95 4241.01 4242.73 You would've thought so , but I dunno . 4241.86 4242.73 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4242.318 4251.614 4242.43 4251.58 Uh so th uh we uh D_F_K_I_ , 'cause they're working on some H_P_S_G_ parsing . Yeah , might be . Might be , yeah . 4244.22 4248.92 4249.12 4250.76 4251.14 4251.58 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4247.68 4249.6 4247.9 4249.49 Oh yes , yeah , I'd forgotten about that . 4248.59 4248.78 4249.49 EN2005a C FEO084 2 4248.496 4248.988 4248.58 4248.9 Mm-hmm . 4248.9 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4254.986 4255.63 4255.08 4255.63 If the - EN2005a B FEE083 1 4254.996 4265.473 4255.09 4265.32 But that's not very similar . Well , I don't know very much about grammar . Is th is that similar enough that that this same method could apply that we derive chunks off the H_P_S_G_ output ? 4257.28 4257.58 4258.86 4265.32 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4265.047 4273.538 4265.18 4273.4 Uh if uh I'm I guess that if they're different then we might just uh write another script to do the translation . 4273.4 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4274.96 4293.488 4275.04 4293.488 I think you might lose a lot in , you know , this step . So basically your your chunker is trained on something that was derived off Penn tree-bank . And it might be different enough that that actually causes it not to match . You know , if you're suddenly evaluating against chunks that were done using H_P_S_G_ I don't know about grammar , but it you know it 4277.16 4277.66 4278.32 4282.88 4287.55 4287.79 4292.24 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4282.144 4282.709 4282.23 4282.61 Mm-hmm . 4282.61 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4291.284 4295.633 4291.39 4295.28 Okay . Yeah , yeah . I need to look at some of to see . 4292.1 4292.37 4292.68 4295.28 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4294.8 4307.445 4295.04 4307.36 Well they're using the E_R_G_ , right ? The which probably has a l maybe finer g uh which I believe has finer grained distinctions than , and different labels , than the Penn tree-bank . 4296.53 4297.14 4304.8 4306.08 4307.36 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4303.823 4304.513 4303.88 4304.3 Mm-hmm . 4304.3 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4305.408 4312.609 4305.52 4312.55 Yeah . And the mappings are can be cr pretty difficult for this , right ? Or is is easy to map between finer grained distinctions and coarser ones ? 4306.03 4308.48 4309.19 4312.55 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4311.339 4328.8 4311.73 4328.8 It's I'm t it's probably easy to dumb down the H_P_S_G_ parse too . 'Cause the Penn tree-bank parsers are pretty minimal because they didn't wanna commit to a specific grammatical theory . So I mean it probably is worth looking at 4318.34 4324.73 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4315.256 4315.929 4315.31 4315.8 Think so ? 4315.8 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4318.309 4318.966 4318.38 4318.83 Yeah , yeah . 4318.51 4318.83 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4323.128 4323.785 4323.23 4323.7 Yeah . 4323.7 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4324.803 4325.502 4324.86 4325.41 Okay . 4325.41 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4330.249 4346.176 4330.29 4346.09 'Cause they're doing this with Dan Flickinger , right ? Which is the same um parser as the Redwoods Tree-bank was made with that Alex talked about yesterday . So you can look at Redwoods parses 4331.94 4332.94 4343.99 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4343.168 4343.758 4343.3 4343.62 Mm-hmm . 4343.62 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4348.112 4365.453 4348.13 4365.37 um and see how different they are from tree-bank parses . And you might wanna talk to Alex to find out if somebody's already done this turn Redwoods stuff into tree-bank stuff so that they can compare , you know , against results that are reported on tree-bank . 4353.34 4362.2 4362.55 4365.37 EN2005a C FEO084 2 4362.209 4362.898 4362.29 4362.75 Mm-hmm . 4362.75 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4364.453 4368.256 4364.58 4368.03 Huh . The names would suggest that this was the idea , right . 4365.29 4367.77 4368.03 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4368.063 4371.172 4368.21 4371.08 Well that was the idea I believe , but um 4370.29 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4369.824 4370.357 4369.87 4370.15 Yeah . 4370.15 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4374.287 4378.432 4374.47 4378.432 it was supposed to be another tree-bank . 4377.72 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4383.904 4395.341 4384.31 4395.3 Right . So y that sort of assumes that we think it's better to do this by deriving chunks from um some parsed format than just hand chunking the stuff . 4384.57 4395.3 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4396.54 4421.104 4396.75 4421.104 Well the good thing about that is that then you know that when you go through and parse you'll be getting the same chunks as when you do this process automatically . 'Cause the problem w when you go through and hand do it is then suddenly you introduce your automatic method and your accuracy goes can go way down . I mean sometimes it doesn't if you know , sort of for part of speech tagging , you know , whether you do it by hand or machine , it's pretty much the same accuracy , right . But 4405.68 4413.31 4415.1 4416.77 4417.27 4418.67 4420.57 4420.83 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4406.356 4407.063 4406.43 4406.92 Mm-hmm . 4406.92 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4419.22 4419.802 4419.32 4419.71 Yeah . 4419.71 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4421.392 4447.184 4421.41 4447.03 So let's try it this way , and then that that puts off the question of um when do we have to do this to when we get H_P_S_G_ stuff , right ? So can you ask um D_F_K_I_ whether they can give us a couple AMI meetings run through their H_P_S_G_ process ? I don't even know what time scale they had in mind . I mean it is this something they w they were doing it at the moment , but I don't know whether this was very preliminary or do you remember ? 4422.85 4428.8 4429.96 4438.68 4440.49 4443.36 4447.03 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4438.072 4438.596 4438.13 4438.45 Mm-hmm . 4438.45 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4447.808 4452.736 4447.86 4452.68 They talked about it at the meeting that we went to in - EN2005a A MEO082 0 4454.128 4455.35 4454.16 4455.31 Twenty minute , yeah . 4454.96 4455.31 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4454.336 4455.09 4454.39 4455.02 Twente . 4455.02 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4454.659 4455.831 4454.74 4455.62 Twente , yeah . 4455.31 4455.62 EN2005a C FEO084 2 4454.801 4455.574 4455.07 4455.46 Mm-hmm . 4455.46 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4456.784 4464.603 4456.83 4464.603 I was thinking Enschede . Why can't I remember the n the f the right name of this place ? Yes , Twente . Which 4458.48 4461.73 4461.99 4463.62 EN2005a C FEO084 2 4460.873 4462.849 4461.15 4462.69 Mm-hmm . Contact . 4462.39 4462.69 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4466.851 4469.43 4466.91 4469.31 You were there Jean . Yeah , okay . 4468.64 4468.96 4469.31 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4468.073 4468.722 4468.15 4468.56 Yeah . 4468.56 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4468.745 4470.376 4468.77 4470.376 Yeah ? 4470.0 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4471.524 4474.526 4471.524 4474.29 Y you're expecting me to remember stuff , aren't you ? 4473.9 4474.29 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4474.645 4484.224 4474.71 4484.07 No no no no , no no no , I I I know you missed a meeting and s and so there there may have been you missed the one in T_N_O_ . 4475.34 4475.84 4484.07 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4478.482 4489.786 4478.64 4489.786 Oh yeah . Oh , I don't even know which one I've missed . Brussels , Amsterdam . T_N_O_ , okay . See , I wasn't there . So I don't know where it was . Um 4480.41 4480.6 4482.42 4482.88 4484.55 4485.02 4486.73 4486.88 4487.42 4489.29 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4484.957 4503.403 4485.07 4503.29 T_N_O_ , yeah . Okay . Yeah , 'cause yeah they did some work bio project with the H_P_S_G_ parsing . At least bio . Yeah , well maybe . Okay . Yeah . 4485.31 4488.29 4489.17 4489.37 4498.09 4501.31 4501.48 4501.86 4502.91 4503.29 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4497.196 4497.836 4497.27 4497.68 Yeah . 4497.68 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4498.183 4502.752 4498.36 4502.65 On on which project ? Sorry , I didn't get that . Verbmobil , right . Yes , yes , they did . 4499.28 4499.48 4500.59 4501.18 4501.45 4501.84 4502.11 4502.65 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4501.612 4502.094 4501.7 4501.95 Yeah . 4501.95 EN2005a C FEO084 2 4502.597 4503.161 4502.69 4502.98 Hmm . 4502.98 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4503.925 4506.097 4503.99 4506.097 So ask 'em , right . 4505.0 4505.89 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4505.089 4543.664 4505.19 4543.61 It well that's that's what Alex talked about yesterday , right . The parse I mean that's wasn't something she did , but that's the data she's using , right . So we have all that stuff here , you know , the parsed Verbmobil material . So you can look at that and see what the parse trees look like . You don't need to wait for D_F_K_I_ . And if it turns out that you think oh , there's no way I can map these into Penn tree-bank style bracketing , then then we have to think of something else , right . 4508.03 4509.09 4512.68 4514.89 4516.16 4518.14 4518.4 4521.72 4526.75 4530.18 4532.16 4539.36 4543.18 4543.61 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4505.257 4505.816 4505.36 4505.66 Okay . 4505.66 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4508.362 4508.869 4508.44 4508.75 Mm-hmm . 4508.75 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4515.332 4515.897 4515.38 4515.7 Mm-hmm . 4515.7 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4528.766 4529.274 4528.85 4529.19 No . 4529.19 EN2005a C FEO084 2 4537.878 4538.39 4537.97 4538.34 Mm-hmm . 4538.34 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4542.876 4544.922 4542.94 4544.84 Okay , okay . Mm-hmm . 4543.44 4544.57 4544.84 EN2005a C FEO084 2 4543.712 4544.328 4543.84 4544.16 Hmm . 4544.16 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4545.495 4551.185 4545.61 4551.03 But I think they had that in mind . So it's it's worth also talking to her about that . Okay , good . 4547.03 4550.22 4550.71 4551.03 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4555.307 4572.557 4555.38 4572.49 So it's talk to Alex , see if it looks like it maps by looking at the Verbmobil . If it does , ask D_F_K_I_ either for data or a time scale , and you're gonna need to know how much data you need in order to do that . So do you have a technique for estimating how much data you'd need ? 4557.93 4560.58 4561.69 4564.24 4568.97 4572.49 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4569.317 4569.949 4569.38 4569.88 Yeah . 4569.88 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4573.533 4576.992 4573.74 4576.992 Uh not sure c uh - EN2005a B FEE083 1 4576.565 4579.216 4576.92 4579.14 I don't know how you do that , so who knows how you do that ? 4577.85 4579.14 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4580.341 4584.119 4580.53 4583.91 Everybody always says there's no data like more data . 4583.91 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4584.06 4590.538 4584.23 4590.538 Okay . So just ask D_F_K_I_ how much data and when , right . If 4584.57 4586.85 4589.27 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4587.44 4588.189 4587.52 4588.07 Okay . 4588.07 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4590.608 4611.508 4590.608 4611.508 You know , I mean the typical thing is to do leave one out cross validation with , you know , eighty nine dialogues . Okay , so I trained on eighty eight and then or I train on one thousand nine hundred and ninety nine and Okay , but we should speak to Steve . We might have some um 4591.78 4595.37 4597.8 4599.19 4599.39 4608.62 4610.06 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4595.04 4595.83 4595.18 4595.7 Yeah . 4595.7 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4596.482 4597.68 4596.52 4597.54 Yeah , I know . 4597.06 4597.54 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4597.193 4597.701 4597.24 4597.62 Yeah . 4597.62 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4600.952 4603.721 4600.952 4603.64 Okay . 4603.64 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4608.765 4613.305 4608.8 4613.305 Uh we don't have any particular time in mind when we need a chunker that works on this stuff . So 4612.82 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4613.387 4627.045 4613.45 4627.045 Well the question the question is what what is chunking gonna help ? I mean I think chunking could help automatic dialogue act segmentation . I think chunking could help , as you mentioned , named entity recognition . Um 4617.56 4622.86 4624.05 4624.84 4626.42 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4621.477 4621.976 4621.53 4621.88 Yeah . 4621.88 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4625.904 4639.944 4625.92 4639.83 Yeah . Well I gue if we did a chunked version of the AMI data and stuck it into C_V_S_ under the automatic contributions then um people would end up using it , 'cause they do that , right . So the question is at what stage should we put that in ? 4626.99 4635.46 4636.15 4637.01 4639.83 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4633.183 4633.757 4633.3 4633.65 Mm-hmm . 4633.65 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4636.69 4637.222 4636.75 4637.17 Mm-hmm . 4637.17 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4641.216 4645.823 4641.45 4645.823 Well we'd wanna make sure we're pretty happy that it's reliable because - EN2005a B FEE083 1 4644.884 4649.219 4644.97 4649.18 Yeah , so post-evaluation so we can put in some idea of what the evaluation is like . 4645.21 4649.18 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4649.024 4650.912 4649.04 4650.88 Mm yeah . I mean otherwise 4649.92 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4652.432 4657.84 4652.51 4657.76 you get these very bizarre results because the data is not really very good . 4657.76 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4656.772 4657.338 4656.86 4657.17 Mm-hmm . 4657.17 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4659.147 4687.104 4659.19 4687.104 So um but I and nobody has expressed like massive interest in t in chunking . So I think , you know , nobody's uh waiting for it . But but we could we c I think we should talk to Barbara about how to do some joint experiments or or if she's gonna be sending other people , maybe Liz or whoever comes over next time . Uh and it would actually be great if it was Liz , because I think she is the one who did the dialogue act segmentation automatic 4664.21 4665.06 4665.33 4667.43 4676.21 4679.0 4681.56 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4666.842 4668.821 4666.91 4668.72 No , but he's relying it on it th this summer . 4667.04 4668.72 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4679.76 4680.398 4679.79 4680.24 Mm-hmm . 4680.24 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4686.369 4692.334 4686.46 4692.19 So when when do you think that would be ? When when is she sending somebody ? Oh for the next one , mm-hmm . 4687.95 4690.55 4691.77 4692.19 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4688.535 4696.746 4689.02 4696.62 She just said that hopefully by the next meeting she would be bringing someone else , or someone else would be coming instead of her , remember ? 4693.52 4696.11 4696.62 EN2005a C FEO084 2 4691.514 4692.099 4691.61 4692.04 Mm . 4692.04 EN2005a C FEO084 2 4695.344 4695.928 4695.5 4695.8 Mm-hmm . 4695.8 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4695.744 4703.283 4696.09 4703.283 But that's a pretty tight time scale then , right , 'cause it'd be for the fall we'd wanna know the evaluation . Is that the time scale you're thinking of or 4697.62 4697.82 4701.43 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4701.386 4724.278 4701.5 4724.18 The th not to have not to have it done , but just to talk about how it could interact with automatic dialogue act segmentation . Um and we I guess we should talk to Yoshi about about it in relationship to named entities . Who's uh who's doing named entities besides Yoshi ? Okay . So we could talk to Vasilis about that as well . 4704.57 4711.2 4717.68 4721.13 4721.95 4724.18 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4707.36 4708.315 4707.38 4708.22 How it could be done . 4708.22 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4709.629 4710.111 4709.67 4709.99 Yeah . 4709.99 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4720.031 4722.243 4720.18 4722.243 Uh that's all I think . Uh 4721.88 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4724.352 4736.796 4724.39 4736.796 Mm-hmm . I think you should still ask Barbara again , you know , c can you have another think about who might have the chunking stuff . 'Cause she has said several times there must be somebody and she can help with that . And um I think she's just forgotten . So 4725.47 4727.78 4728.21 4730.91 4734.3 4736.35 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4739.327 4739.901 4739.4 4739.901 And then - EN2005a B FEE083 1 4739.723 4742.602 4739.83 4742.47 So and then we can evaluate on the ICSI , you know , pretty easily . 4741.53 4741.76 4742.47 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4744.928 4767.34 4745.74 4767.31 So one thing that would be very helpful for me because I haven't read I think we're in a situation where Jean , you know , has read a lot of literature and I've read a lot of literature and we there is some overlap , but there's also quite a big space where we don't know the literature from the other side . And since you're gonna be reading it , I mean it would be probably be useful if you made some kind of , 4752.5 4752.99 4757.48 4762.34 4763.78 4767.31 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4768.827 4785.126 4768.91 4785.126 you know , report that described , you know , okay , this what these people you know , this is , you know , a synthesis okay , here's the basic idea behind exchange structure and , you know , here's a couple of you know , here's the two most relevant works that I've read or something like that , you know , to just 4769.21 4770.8 4771.1 4771.33 4772.71 4773.82 4774.03 4774.98 4777.81 4778.2 4779.98 4784.26 4784.57 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4784.396 4796.031 4784.49 4795.9 Yeah , even if it's just a you know , on a Wiki the um the references and then why they're relevant , right . I mean you don't wanna make this really formal , or do you ? Yeah , a paragraph each . Yeah . 4784.79 4786.28 4791.41 4791.73 4793.07 4794.18 4794.41 4795.57 4795.9 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4792.099 4804.704 4792.35 4804.704 Or even just like a paragraph of , you know , the basic idea . Just because , you know , obviously I'm not gonna go rea off and read all this kind of stuff because I don't have time . And you probably don't have time to read all this collaborative prol problem solving . So 4794.25 4794.57 4795.5 4796.73 4797.12 4801.43 4804.39 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4801.544 4802.402 4801.62 4802.31 Hmm hmm . 4802.31 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4801.835 4802.432 4801.91 4802.35 Yeah . 4802.35 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4803.835 4816.518 4803.93 4816.44 But that wou that would help us be a lot more specific ab than than just um you know , listing bullet points on slides cause then we'd know sort of which literature you're thinking of um putting in and we could read the most important argumentative stuff . 4808.36 4816.44 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4813.523 4815.652 4813.64 4815.55 Okay . Yeah , yeah . Yeah . 4814.07 4814.29 4815.13 4815.55 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4815.152 4824.5 4815.35 4824.42 Well in any way , every time you write a paper , you've got to go back and do this related work thing anyway . So it just it just makes it a lot easier um to get that 4816.13 4817.12 4820.11 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4817.94 4819.843 4818.04 4819.74 I can have these things anyway , yeah . 4819.44 4819.74 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4821.733 4822.431 4821.79 4822.33 Yeah . 4822.33 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4825.698 4826.131 4825.77 4826.0 Mm-hmm . 4826.0 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4825.756 4837.159 4825.81 4837.11 common ground I think , you know . I think it's a real advantage that we've read different things and come at it from a different side because I think this ha they the the previous approaches haven't really , 4827.14 4827.61 4837.11 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4826.058 4828.136 4826.18 4827.95 'Kay . Yeah , yeah . 4827.41 4827.66 4827.95 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4837.664 4840.776 4837.7 4840.62 Mm-hmm . They haven't addressed this problem . Yeah . 4838.79 4840.24 4840.62 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4838.41 4848.668 4838.49 4848.59 you know , taken you know , the good features from , you know , both sides and and tried to put them together . 4839.22 4844.39 4846.0 4846.24 4848.59 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4848.692 4860.614 4848.79 4860.43 Yeah . I'm gonna have to go very soon because I've got this um this hearing to go to . But uh so the practical actions , you know , what are the things we're gonna go away and do . Yeah . 4850.02 4853.76 4857.72 4857.96 4860.1 4860.43 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4849.539 4849.946 4849.59 4849.84 Hmm . 4849.84 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4850.946 4852.218 4850.946 4852.09 Yeah , me too . 4851.46 4852.09 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4855.465 4856.816 4855.59 4856.68 I can send you a l - EN2005a D FEE085 3 4859.826 4877.564 4860.25 4877.564 Well I think we both wanna send w well , I don't know , maybe you've already done this , but I you know , I will send you or we can , you know , chat off-line for a minute a about a list of things that I think you really need to take a look at . And Jean , probably maybe you should do the same . Um 4864.12 4864.4 4865.14 4865.83 4867.97 4868.29 4873.14 4874.66 4877.07 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4872.955 4873.737 4873.08 4873.62 Yeah , yeah . 4873.41 4873.62 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4876.795 4879.015 4876.9 4878.91 Okay . S so then later , yeah ? Okay . 4877.46 4878.31 4878.6 4878.91 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4880.32 4884.592 4880.34 4884.592 And if Sabrina has any ideas , we'd be happy to hear from Sabrina as well . 4882.04 4884.48 EN2005a C FEO084 2 4883.904 4884.353 4883.96 4884.28 Yeah . 4884.28 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4886.09 4886.72 4886.15 4886.72 Um - EN2005a C FEO084 2 4886.127 4928.747 4886.18 4928.71 Um right now d uh I'm doing I'm trying to do the uh meeting action segmentation . J because uh after talking to Jane um just uh we have different ideas whether uh meeting action will be about the same size as topic segments . So um it would be good to um t right now I'm doing this , um looking at the data and trying to see if I can do the meeting action segmentation first and the scheme , and then do topic segmentation again to see if the boundary actually coincide with each other . Yeah , if if that that do , then maybe we can talk again whether um i it it make sense . Mm-hmm . 4891.97 4903.23 4907.12 4913.95 4919.88 4920.22 4922.03 4928.09 4928.71 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4891.495 4891.92 4891.55 4891.87 Mm-hmm . 4891.87 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4902.893 4904.148 4902.96 4904.03 Okay . Yeah . Mm-hmm . 4903.43 4903.75 4904.03 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4909.672 4910.188 4909.78 4910.06 Mm-hmm . 4910.06 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4912.896 4913.194 4913.02 4913.13 M - EN2005a D FEE085 3 4916.114 4916.613 4916.16 4916.52 Mm-hmm . 4916.52 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4919.28 4920.511 4919.3 4920.34 Hmm . Yeah . 4919.95 4920.34 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4923.584 4932.334 4923.66 4932.19 Yeah . So you can do this exercise and then come and talk to me some time next week . I'm not in Monday , but the other days I'll be around . Mm-hmm . 4925.29 4928.77 4929.45 4931.96 4932.19 EN2005a C FEO084 2 4931.273 4953.12 4931.35 4953.12 Alright , yeah . Um I have just started . And um so far um I s think uh it's uh it I think it it's a still um about the s about the same level of segmentation we're talking here . But uh maybe the boundary will not be exactly the same . But uh that that the segment 4932.04 4932.63 4934.14 4946.36 4950.56 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4945.082 4947.526 4945.13 4947.47 Yeah . Yeah . S 4946.77 4947.34 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4950.407 4986.064 4950.49 4985.68 Yeah , so this this is interesting , but i w I don't think we can afford to l um look at this right now . So why don't you bring it by um next week ? And i what I really wanna do concentrate just now is is finding out the how we're gonna help um Wei-Xun with with making progress on this . So we've already got you know , he's gonna um construct a list of the references he thinks is important , and Johanna and I and and you as well are gonna contribute to that . And we can put that on a Wiki or we can do it some other way . I mean you know I'm Wiki mad . So um if we share it , it should go on a Wiki 'cause I can't find anything in my email . But , you know , you don't have to do that . 4950.84 4951.95 4955.91 4958.78 4967.14 4968.45 4971.85 4975.26 4978.13 4979.38 4981.39 4983.67 4983.95 4984.66 4985.68 EN2005a C FEO084 2 4955.489 4958.663 4955.59 4958.6 Mm-hmm , right , sure . Yeah . 4956.33 4957.05 4958.32 4958.6 EN2005a C FEO084 2 4961.204 4962.091 4961.56 4961.97 Mm-hmm . 4961.97 EN2005a C FEO084 2 4964.621 4967.403 4964.74 4967.33 Mm , sure . Yes . 4965.55 4966.98 4967.33 EN2005a D FEE085 3 4965.118 4965.65 4965.22 4965.56 Mm-hmm . 4965.56 EN2005a C FEO084 2 4974.455 4975.207 4974.58 4974.99 Mm-hmm . 4974.99 EN2005a C FEO084 2 4978.036 4980.352 4978.19 4980.05 Mm-hmm . Hmm . 4979.86 4980.05 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4978.194 4978.685 4978.29 4978.5 Okay . 4978.5 EN2005a A MEO082 0 4984.497 4986.351 4984.66 4986.18 Yeah , it's yeah . 4985.1 4986.18 EN2005a C FEO084 2 4985.824 4986.472 4985.92 4986.38 Hmm . 4986.38 EN2005a B FEE083 1 4986.064 5030.136 4986.33 5030.05 Um and then uh how do we you're actually so what you're doing is taking all of the the the most important references for um finding argument structure that might i eventually be of some use to a meeting browser and trying to look at actual data and apply and and see like which one helps you figure out what you're actually gonna do with this particular data , right . So it seems to me that we should take like the front-runner scheme and the data and you should look at not front-runner scheme but front-runner theory and i see if you can speak to the data , you know , using that kind of theory at some point . And might might be an interesting exercise , right ? 5011.6 5012.31 5025.19 5025.42 5027.68 5029.65 5030.05 EN2005a D FEE085 3 5029.984 5071.95 5030.23 5071.72 Well I think we need to um , like you mentioned earlier , um factor in what this might be used for in the end . And so even if it we won't it won't be used , maybe if it would need some higher level analysis before it could be directly used for that purpose , we should still keep that in mind . And so I think going through the presentations that um were given at the work package six meeting where um and I think it was um it wasn't wha was it Anita or was it oh I've forgotten her name , the other woman um from Twente , you know , they talked about 5033.12 5034.57 5040.47 5043.95 5048.71 5050.09 5068.28 5070.67 5070.93 EN2005a B FEE083 1 5047.302 5048.341 5047.39 5048.21 The update . 5048.21 EN2005a B FEE083 1 5060.464 5060.969 5060.5 5060.83 Mm-hmm . 5060.83 EN2005a C FEO084 2 5063.182 5063.694 5063.3 5063.57 Hmm . 5063.57 EN2005a D FEE085 3 5071.95 5109.779 5072.24 5109.71 they did they had done a lot of questionnaires , and they got some user requirements out of that . And then Steve presented um the results of following people around and looking at how they used their notes from meetings . And and so that would give us some ideas about , you know , what people want , you know , out of meeting records . But then we should also add things that we think are interesting . But just to have to keep some of these goals in mind 'cause they're t o one scheme might let you answer this set of questions but wouldn't help you at all with another set of questions . 5074.64 5076.8 5087.89 5092.4 5093.05 5094.04 5094.38 5095.74 5100.86 5109.71 EN2005a B FEE083 1 5086.082 5086.664 5086.15 5086.58 Mm-hmm . 5086.58 EN2005a C FEO084 2 5087.04 5087.445 5087.17 5087.29 Hmm . 5087.29 EN2005a B FEE083 1 5099.12 5101.411 5099.14 5101.3 Yeah . But that's a good starting point , yeah . 5099.55 5100.94 5101.3 EN2005a B FEE083 1 5108.12 5122.97 5108.25 5122.87 That'll be the Exactly , yeah . So you wanna go through basically the user requirements and , you know , maybe think about some user requirements of your own and make a case for , you know , these are the kinds of things that we'd want , and look , you're gonna need um this kind of dialogue or argument structure for it . 5109.88 5110.41 5113.88 5114.14 5117.03 5117.21 5118.51 5118.85 5122.87 EN2005a D FEE085 3 5122.846 5134.784 5122.96 5134.6 So should we expect that all the slides from like the work package six meeting or the joint work package five work pa will be u up on one of the work package web sites ? And if not , how do we make that happen ? 5132.16 5133.1 5134.6 EN2005a B FEE083 1 5132.34 5137.397 5132.46 5137.19 Um uh uh I'll think about that . 5137.19 EN2005a D FEE085 3 5136.548 5137.937 5136.65 5137.89 Hmm okay . 5137.89 EN2005a D FEE085 3 5139.825 5161.776 5139.92 5161.57 Some of this was presented in at least the one spider phone or the second spider phone telecon I went to for work package six . So if they're not on the web we can try to look at that , you know , at the materials that were presented in that telecon without necessarily listening to the whole telecon . Yeah ? 5150.36 5155.65 5155.91 5160.73 5161.57 EN2005a B FEE083 1 5161.641 5166.106 5161.71 5166.106 Yeah . So we're just trying to get records . I mean I'm sure they're not on the web yet . So 5162.08 5163.87 5165.7 EN2005a D FEE085 3 5163.425 5163.872 5163.64 5163.76 Wh - EN2005a D FEE085 3 5164.846 5178.569 5164.96 5178.37 And Steve m and his I've forgotten the name , is it was it Simon , his yeah . They they've I think they may have written this up um in a report um , but I wou would hope that's on the work package six web site as well . 5167.48 5168.55 5169.67 5174.68 5178.37 EN2005a B FEE083 1 5168.645 5169.194 5168.69 5169.1 Yeah . 5169.1 EN2005a B FEE083 1 5172.712 5173.644 5172.83 5173.52 Mm-hmm , yeah . 5173.17 5173.52 EN2005a B FEE083 1 5177.744 5195.147 5177.76 5195.04 Yeah . Okay . So so we're gonna go through the requirements like that and did did you think that's that was reasonable to after that to try and um actually , you know , take some theory that seems fairly reasonable and think about the particular data and come and talk ? 5179.2 5180.08 5189.6 5189.83 5195.04 EN2005a D FEE085 3 5193.698 5211.536 5193.89 5211.536 I do as i once he's read a couple more I mean he's just completely missed out the collaborative problem solving world , which I d I really think we need to take into account . I mean you may take it into account and say no , you're wrong , and here's why , but I I I'm gonna need some convincing . 5201.35 5203.76 5205.87 5206.31 5206.98 5210.97 EN2005a B FEE083 1 5197.234 5200.273 5197.35 5200.2 Yeah . I there's a few references missing . Yeah . 5198.04 5199.86 5200.2 EN2005a B FEE083 1 5212.061 5217.45 5212.14 5217.27 Yep . So then try front-runner scheme on , well , a front-runner theory . 5213.56 5215.95 5216.26 5217.27 EN2005a D FEE085 3 5216.344 5225.671 5216.43 5225.58 Or t or or two and see this one gives you this and this g and can't you know , are they fundamentally incompatible . Or can we yeah , mm-hmm . 5220.99 5222.63 5225.07 5225.58 EN2005a B FEE083 1 5223.089 5231.372 5223.19 5231.2 Yeah . But try it informally . Yep , mm-hmm . When do we get together again ? 'Cause I really do have to go . I promised these guys I'd be there . 5223.81 5225.51 5225.8 5226.76 5228.09 5229.84 5231.2 EN2005a D FEE085 3 5229.423 5229.98 5229.55 5229.92 Okay . 5229.92 EN2005a D FEE085 3 5231.44 5242.117 5231.46 5242.05 I think this is gonna take about three weeks 'cause he's got plenty of reading to do . So maybe we get together again in the yeah , I mean , I'll send them the references immediately . 5236.27 5240.21 5240.45 5242.05 EN2005a B FEE083 1 5235.408 5236.566 5235.59 5236.53 Uh-huh . But w 5236.25 EN2005a B FEE083 1 5237.996 5240.016 5238.11 5239.97 Reading lists before that though , so right ? 5239.4 5239.97 EN2005a B FEE083 1 5241.475 5244.401 5241.51 5244.401 So we'll get together in about three weeks . Uh 5243.93 EN2005a A MEO082 0 5243.529 5244.144 5243.57 5244.09 Okay . 5244.09 EN2005a D FEE085 3 5244.647 5250.727 5244.78 5250.727 Is that enough time for you do you think ? Is that enough time for you to to read and think about 5247.43 EN2005a A MEO082 0 5246.889 5249.749 5247.05 5249.62 Sorry ? You mean mm . 5247.3 5249.62 EN2005a A MEO082 0 5251.539 5253.152 5251.59 5252.73 I will try my best , yeah . 5252.6 5252.73 EN2005a D FEE085 3 5252.688 5258.244 5252.71 5258.13 If y if if it's too tight , you know , I think m we can say four . Or are you gonna be on holiday ? 5254.59 5255.07 5256.56 5258.13 EN2005a A MEO082 0 5255.563 5273.197 5255.6 5273.16 Oh yeah . Uh I m I might yeah , 'cause uh Julie and the boy is here . So . it's a little tiring 'cause my parents have left . Uh yeah . So I might take two weeks off two weeks off in uh May , yeah , sometimes , yeah . Off , yeah . Okay , thanks . 5256.54 5259.09 5261.86 5262.32 5264.97 5265.62 5269.0 5269.24 5269.69 5270.16 5270.41 5272.31 5272.77 5273.16 EN2005a D FEE085 3 5264.684 5284.68 5264.76 5284.55 Yeah . Maybe four weeks ? Okay . Okay . So we should get together probably in about four weeks , yes . So when are you gonna bring this beautiful baby in to see everybody ? Good , good . That's great . 5266.2 5267.64 5269.26 5270.08 5272.16 5273.1 5282.93 5283.6 5283.86 5284.55 EN2005a B FEE083 1 5264.98 5265.742 5265.16 5265.57 Uh-huh . 5265.57 EN2005a B FEE083 1 5271.36 5272.336 5271.47 5272.3 Four weeks , yeah . 5272.09 5272.3 EN2005a C FEO084 2 5275.8 5281.062 5276.16 5281.062 Mm . I want to see . 5278.5 5280.9 EN2005a A MEO082 0 5276.54 5285.178 5277.1 5285.05 Uh yeah , hope I hope so very soon . Yeah . Yeah . 5278.12 5279.71 5280.49 5285.05 EN2005a C FEO084 2 5283.472 5285.436 5283.49 5285.3 Something . Sure . 5285.05 5285.3 EN2005a B FEE083 1 5286.169 5287.808 5286.28 5287.77 Right . I'm gonna head off . 5287.14 5287.77 EN2005a D FEE085 3 5287.717 5298.0 5287.81 5297.84 Yep . Well good luck solving your problem . I have to tick and tick ? It does something weird when you do that . 5288.15 5291.65 5296.25 5297.84 EN2005a A MEO082 0 5288.228 5289.908 5288.25 5289.83 Okay , thanks . 5289.37 5289.83 EN2005a C FEO084 2 5288.95 5289.493 5289.06 5289.37 Mm-hmm . 5289.37 EN2005a B FEE083 1 5289.167 5292.677 5289.22 5292.43 C 'cause floods are more important than dialogue structure , I'm afraid . 5291.95 5292.43 EN2006a B FEE087 1 8.275 9.727 8.37 9.6 And something to fidget with . 9.6 EN2006a B FEE087 1 15.6 18.41 15.67 18.41 Okay . 18.31 EN2006a B FEE087 1 19.901 20.46 20.0 20.46 See - EN2006a A MEE089 0 20.277 20.892 20.35 20.79 Right . 20.79 EN2006a B FEE087 1 22.592 25.117 22.61 24.88 On your marks , get set , go . 23.53 24.68 24.88 EN2006a A MEE089 0 23.197 23.979 23.22 23.41 'Kay . 23.41 EN2006a C FEE088 2 23.502 25.281 23.502 24.93 Right . 24.93 EN2006a D MEO086 3 24.032 24.506 24.09 24.39 Hmm . 24.39 EN2006a B FEE087 1 26.506 28.195 26.71 27.93 Such a long time since I've done these . 27.93 EN2006a D MEO086 3 27.182 36.944 27.31 36.82 Did did you guys actually had sort of um the interaction or discussions while you we doing the annotation , did you have had stages of clarification or I suppose you did , right ? Mm-hmm . 31.64 35.39 36.5 36.82 EN2006a C FEE088 2 34.575 35.506 34.75 35.4 We did , yeah . 35.16 35.4 EN2006a B FEE087 1 35.147 37.344 35.25 37.31 At the beginning we did . Um 36.92 EN2006a B FEE087 1 38.496 41.064 38.52 41.064 we did a training set , didn't we , and then compared to see 39.27 39.5 EN2006a A MEE089 0 40.564 41.179 40.62 40.99 Yeah . 40.99 EN2006a C FEE088 2 40.795 42.144 40.85 42.11 Yeah , we did two of those , didn't we ? 41.13 41.82 42.11 EN2006a B FEE087 1 42.67 43.601 42.67 43.51 we probably did . 43.51 EN2006a C FEE088 2 43.191 47.374 43.23 47.24 I think we did two training sets and then we had at least one meeting with you where we talked it all through . 47.24 EN2006a A MEE089 0 46.104 47.952 46.18 47.89 Yeah . Mm . 47.42 47.89 EN2006a D MEO086 3 48.072 48.687 48.19 48.49 Mm-hmm . 48.49 EN2006a B FEE087 1 49.248 53.632 49.29 53.41 And supposedly decided on things . And then we did th all the rest of them separately . 51.45 53.41 EN2006a C FEE088 2 51.393 52.027 51.46 51.94 Yes . 51.94 EN2006a C FEE088 2 52.027 54.338 54.03 54.22 Yeah . 54.22 EN2006a D MEO086 3 54.601 68.111 54.7 68.111 So did you feel that it was some some kind of some process of convergence , like that initially had quite different ideas about the phrase types and and markations and then eventually you came up uh with some kind of rules that you set up between uh the two of you ? Or 58.77 67.53 EN2006a B FEE087 1 67.336 74.304 67.39 74.304 Yes , I think . Okay . Yeah , but you convinced me . 68.98 70.07 71.73 71.84 74.16 EN2006a C FEE088 2 68.704 83.101 68.74 82.99 I'd say no , but I d I mean I thought we had basically the same ideas to b I don't remember ever having strong arguments about what should be in what group or it was just the rules about things that s yeah . 69.62 82.99 EN2006a B FEE087 1 77.36 79.36 77.5 79.3 No , that's true . Mm-hmm . 77.69 78.73 79.3 EN2006a B FEE087 1 80.944 82.688 80.96 82.63 It's the length of it really . 82.63 EN2006a D MEO086 3 83.264 83.696 83.31 83.61 Mm-hmm . 83.61 EN2006a B FEE087 1 84.096 84.934 84.14 84.934 But we had - EN2006a C FEE088 2 84.249 100.016 84.39 99.98 And what counted as wha as for the spectral features it was more confusing what counted as a spectral feature , and we had a long discussion about that . But I don't remember sort of arguing from different sides and converging , just sort of piecing out what would come up and agreeing what we'd do . 91.28 92.65 96.02 99.98 EN2006a B FEE087 1 88.558 89.88 88.66 89.66 That's really hard , yeah . 89.37 89.66 EN2006a D MEO086 3 91.2 91.722 91.24 91.61 Mm-hmm . 91.61 EN2006a A MEE089 0 91.616 92.272 91.64 92.0 Yeah . 92.0 EN2006a B FEE087 1 93.008 93.808 93.06 93.64 Mm-hmm . 93.64 EN2006a B FEE087 1 94.865 95.472 94.89 95.22 No . 95.22 EN2006a D MEO086 3 98.4 98.859 98.42 98.76 Yeah . 98.76 EN2006a B FEE087 1 99.152 99.534 99.17 99.46 Yeah . 99.46 EN2006a D MEO086 3 100.096 100.605 100.12 100.38 Mm-hmm . 100.38 EN2006a B FEE087 1 101.152 105.856 101.17 105.65 And we we had a manual , which we haven't got here . Do you reckon if we get a copy , would that be useful ? 102.47 103.32 104.86 105.65 EN2006a C FEE088 2 106.193 112.186 106.31 112.1 It probably would be , but I don't i it's been a long time , yeah , since we've done this . 107.24 110.52 111.24 112.1 EN2006a A MEE089 0 107.729 108.461 107.83 108.28 Mm . 108.28 EN2006a D MEO086 3 108.152 108.659 108.23 108.55 Mm-hmm . 108.55 EN2006a B FEE087 1 108.255 110.118 108.31 109.9 Are we allowed to leave the meeting now it's started ? 109.9 EN2006a B FEE087 1 112.0 113.824 112.02 113.69 Can we get Ben to print us out one ? 113.69 EN2006a D MEO086 3 114.0 122.48 114.02 122.48 Yeah , I think so . Okay . I dropped a . So did Dere Derek and Ben has the um the file that they this manual ? Or 114.34 115.93 116.95 118.41 122.41 EN2006a C FEE088 2 115.817 119.128 115.87 118.83 Yeah , that would be handy . Sign off . 116.1 118.32 118.83 EN2006a B FEE087 1 116.155 119.655 116.24 119.655 Mm . Okay . Yes , now we're moving with the headphones . 117.24 117.65 117.86 119.56 EN2006a A MEE089 0 116.251 117.074 116.39 116.96 Yeah . 116.96 EN2006a C FEE088 2 122.379 123.842 122.61 123.75 We did send it to him , yeah . 123.45 123.75 EN2006a A MEE089 0 122.81 126.66 123.06 126.59 He has had it certainly . Yeah . Yeah , he's been emailed it while ago . 124.38 125.18 125.37 126.59 EN2006a B FEE087 1 123.169 127.227 123.23 127.06 Yes , he's he's been e emailed it , yeah . Otherwise we can go onto our system and get it . 123.55 124.68 125.38 127.06 EN2006a D MEO086 3 124.625 125.956 124.78 125.87 Yeah ? O okay . 125.48 125.87 EN2006a C FEE088 2 125.008 125.446 125.03 125.34 Yeah . 125.34 EN2006a A MEE089 0 133.0 134.978 133.27 134.978 Now he's gone . 134.84 EN2006a C FEE088 2 133.81 139.264 133.81 139.17 There's a cool little count-down clock that lets you know exactly how long you've been meeting as well . 139.17 EN2006a B FEE087 1 133.904 137.495 133.92 137.29 Yes . Let's say something rude . 134.74 137.29 EN2006a A MEE089 0 137.065 138.08 137.09 137.54 Oh really ? 137.54 EN2006a A MEE089 0 139.248 139.896 139.31 139.83 Excellent . 139.83 EN2006a B FEE087 1 139.282 141.818 139.32 141.74 I oh . top . 141.3 141.74 EN2006a A MEE089 0 141.519 152.582 141.519 152.54 We should have these things in our area . You know , we don't have high-tech things . Well , I guess there's telescopes , but that that's that's different though , isn't it . That's not no . 144.64 144.8 147.93 148.05 149.01 150.44 150.72 152.54 EN2006a B FEE087 1 145.179 146.95 145.29 146.58 But no , how little work we did . 145.61 146.58 EN2006a C FEE088 2 145.716 146.922 145.83 146.8 No , we don't at all . 146.23 146.8 EN2006a B FEE087 1 147.786 150.64 147.84 150.64 I'm doing that at yes . 150.3 EN2006a C FEE088 2 149.265 153.971 149.32 153.971 Yeah . But they're hardly in our areas . Uh 150.56 153.61 EN2006a B FEE087 1 151.636 154.455 151.76 154.33 Yeah . They have got a 153.61 EN2006a B FEE087 1 156.24 157.616 156.32 157.47 conference thing , haven't they ? 156.95 157.47 EN2006a B FEE087 1 158.816 159.85 158.84 159.7 In the A_T_C_ . 159.7 EN2006a A MEE089 0 159.734 163.872 159.81 163.78 Yeah , that's right , although you oh it isn't actually used all that often these days , I think . 160.26 160.73 163.33 163.78 EN2006a B FEE087 1 163.904 179.465 163.92 179.41 I had to fly to Germany to do a teleconference , the same as you did for the interview . And they fly you to Germany and put you on a four-way teleconference with three people in Chile . And had they asked , we could have done it fine at A_T_C_ and saved me having to to go to Germany for a day . But 166.0 168.85 173.62 174.42 178.87 EN2006a C FEE088 2 166.328 167.351 166.39 167.27 Yeah , I did as well . 166.61 167.27 EN2006a A MEE089 0 168.469 169.084 168.55 168.91 Gosh . 168.91 EN2006a A MEE089 0 176.144 177.482 176.17 177.36 Right , aye . 176.95 177.36 EN2006a C FEE088 2 176.409 177.007 176.51 176.94 No . 176.94 EN2006a A MEE089 0 178.48 179.68 178.57 179.63 Right . Gosh . 179.15 179.63 EN2006a B FEE087 1 180.672 182.432 180.87 182.15 they haven't got that far . 182.15 EN2006a C FEE088 2 182.928 215.922 182.928 215.922 It's a very strange interview feeling as well , because you can't see them while you're giving your talk , because they just show usually they have a camera on you and a camera on them , but during the talk part they have a camera on I believe them , 'cause I could see that guy reading a newspaper halfway through my talk . And then they had a camera on showing what my slides were , and so you forget that they can see you at all , and so when all that was over , they were answering me questions and the view switched again , I realised they were sitting there in the interview going . So 184.97 189.84 193.41 197.7 200.94 204.37 207.51 208.81 210.79 213.87 EN2006a B FEE087 1 186.947 188.768 186.947 188.52 Mm . 188.52 EN2006a A MEE089 0 187.215 190.532 187.31 190.34 And you miss all the the body language and things . Yeah , yeah . 189.06 189.81 190.34 EN2006a A MEE089 0 193.12 193.824 193.2 193.59 Right . 193.59 EN2006a A MEE089 0 204.08 204.788 204.1 204.59 Right . 204.59 EN2006a A MEE089 0 207.232 207.848 207.25 207.64 Right . 207.64 EN2006a B FEE087 1 212.722 230.932 212.722 230.932 And mine was even it was different again . W we had it was a four-way split screen with me and three other people , and it just stayed like that . And I had the talk on a laptop in front of me and they had the talk on their laptops , and I had to tell tell them when to press the button to turn the page . It just 217.78 221.25 222.57 226.31 230.36 EN2006a A MEE089 0 219.488 220.351 219.77 220.29 Right . 220.29 EN2006a A MEE089 0 226.04 226.73 226.11 226.63 Right . 226.63 EN2006a A MEE089 0 228.109 230.046 228.13 229.89 Oh . Right . Gosh . 228.19 229.48 229.89 EN2006a C FEE088 2 228.692 229.158 228.77 229.12 Yeah . 229.12 EN2006a C FEE088 2 230.439 233.321 230.55 233.2 And you can't say looking over here . Like o 232.94 EN2006a B FEE087 1 232.412 256.848 232.48 256.8 Yes , if you see towards the top left of the image , you'll notice And luckily Olivia had warned me it might be complicated , and so I had something with without very many um n not little flying in and things , because that would just make it really difficult . But I practised the talk , yeah , standing up in front of it and pointing to things , and you're sitting down in front of And you could see yourself , but not only could s you see yourself , you see yourself bounce back two seconds later . 232.89 235.11 239.78 244.87 246.73 247.61 247.72 250.19 253.59 254.68 256.8 EN2006a A MEE089 0 232.424 233.59 232.53 233.37 Yeah . 233.37 EN2006a C FEE088 2 234.484 235.823 234.484 249.96 . 249.925 EN2006a A MEE089 0 234.596 235.633 234.92 235.53 Yeah . 235.53 EN2006a A MEE089 0 239.855 245.46 239.96 245.37 That's very artificial though , isn't it ? Yeah . Not very sensible . Yeah , right . 240.96 241.73 242.71 244.51 245.06 245.37 EN2006a A MEE089 0 249.17 249.952 249.23 249.91 Yeah . 249.91 EN2006a C FEE088 2 249.925 250.449 249.96 250.31 Yeah . 250.31 EN2006a B FEE087 1 258.02 266.229 258.1 266.05 By the time the signal had gone to Chile and back . So you're like oh , did I just do that ? And then you reacting to what you did a while ago . It was a really daft situation . 260.24 260.77 261.5 263.71 266.05 EN2006a A MEE089 0 258.01 260.588 258.16 260.35 That must be really weird . Is there ? Gosh . 259.37 260.02 260.35 EN2006a C FEE088 2 258.641 261.375 258.73 261.19 Yeah . It is really strange . 259.84 261.19 EN2006a A MEE089 0 261.729 266.578 261.86 266.49 Yeah . Gosh . Well Mm-hmm . 263.27 264.03 266.49 EN2006a C FEE088 2 266.432 266.944 266.46 266.8 Mm . 266.8 EN2006a D MEO086 3 268.656 270.224 268.77 270.19 Okay , right , it's printing it out as well . 269.19 269.31 270.19 EN2006a A MEE089 0 270.512 271.185 270.63 271.01 Great . 271.01 EN2006a B FEE087 1 270.459 271.316 270.73 271.13 Lovely . 271.13 EN2006a C FEE088 2 270.752 271.318 270.85 271.21 Excellent . 271.21 EN2006a B FEE087 1 273.104 275.185 273.27 275.185 And then we can start fighting about - EN2006a C FEE088 2 273.107 276.885 273.28 276.885 Right . Shall w shall we dive in in the interim ? Or 273.89 276.27 EN2006a B FEE087 1 276.624 277.648 276.65 277.6 Yes , let's . 277.08 277.6 EN2006a B FEE087 1 279.909 282.464 280.01 282.36 Continuum flux or continuum . 282.36 EN2006a B FEE087 1 288.528 289.858 288.7 289.858 Mm . Yes . 289.26 289.73 EN2006a C FEE088 2 289.607 290.496 289.68 290.41 Mm . 290.41 EN2006a B FEE087 1 291.76 297.104 291.95 296.87 Flux on its own wouldn't be a spectral feature . I think it should probably just be continuum . 294.8 296.87 EN2006a B FEE087 1 303.314 306.673 303.39 306.55 If it was continuum luminosity , you probably wouldn't it . Ooh . 304.69 306.36 306.55 EN2006a C FEE088 2 307.491 312.987 307.491 312.987 No , you wouldn't do . I think I'm do I think I'm working out who's top and bottom . Um 308.88 309.73 312.43 EN2006a C FEE088 2 315.909 319.154 315.95 319.04 Yeah , I'm happy enough with that . I don't feel strongly about it . 316.27 317.65 319.04 EN2006a B FEE087 1 320.846 322.838 320.91 322.77 Okay , it's my part . 321.83 322.77 EN2006a D MEO086 3 323.053 330.994 323.14 330.9 I actually haven't really thought about like uh marking or not marking , who's top and who's bottom . I think maybe that would make sense for you guys to know . I don't know . 325.86 326.91 330.34 330.9 EN2006a B FEE087 1 323.732 324.167 323.89 324.0 Oh . 324.0 EN2006a C FEE088 2 330.112 334.006 330.34 334.006 Ah . Ben said he he left it out on purpose , which is reason 331.24 332.94 EN2006a B FEE087 1 330.38 331.661 330.4 331.661 I think I think we've worked - EN2006a D MEO086 3 333.307 334.672 333.307 334.58 Yeah . 334.58 EN2006a B FEE087 1 333.728 339.552 333.75 339.552 Yes , and I'm pretty sure I'm bottom anyway . So even on one we can tell . 334.6 336.85 339.2 EN2006a C FEE088 2 335.396 339.872 335.42 339.872 Yeah . I'm pretty sure I'm top . Uh 335.89 337.09 EN2006a D MEO086 3 337.247 339.3 337.33 339.3 Okay , fair enough . 337.69 339.15 EN2006a B FEE087 1 340.977 343.856 341.19 343.74 'Cause I would fight for line being a spectral feature as well . 343.74 EN2006a C FEE088 2 342.039 342.688 342.24 342.51 Right . 342.51 EN2006a C FEE088 2 344.057 346.127 344.08 346.05 Right . Yeah , I think that's probably right as well . 344.65 344.98 346.05 EN2006a B FEE087 1 346.639 349.376 346.68 349.08 It's a bit hard to mark on this . Let's do that . 348.39 349.08 EN2006a C FEE088 2 350.596 351.961 350.68 351.92 Okay , next . 351.44 351.92 EN2006a D MEO086 3 353.185 360.512 353.21 360.02 So so you sorry , um just for the convention , you you you marking which uh which the annotation you think is is the right one . Okay , fair enough . 354.1 354.92 359.3 359.6 360.02 EN2006a B FEE087 1 357.232 358.083 357.25 357.97 The ones we want . 357.97 EN2006a B FEE087 1 359.275 362.617 359.3 362.52 Yes . And if neither , then we'll have to put something else . 360.44 361.0 362.52 EN2006a D MEO086 3 362.389 363.696 362.46 363.59 Mm-hmm , okay . 363.36 363.59 EN2006a C FEE088 2 364.816 368.959 364.84 368.72 Okay . So here we're missing soft component on the bottom . 365.59 368.72 EN2006a B FEE087 1 369.808 373.961 369.92 373.81 And I think you're probably right , soft component is a spectral feature . 371.71 373.81 EN2006a C FEE088 2 370.352 370.992 370.39 370.83 There . 370.83 EN2006a C FEE088 2 373.168 375.2 373.2 375.09 If you get line I get soft component . 375.09 EN2006a B FEE087 1 375.12 380.33 375.12 380.19 Ooh . Well , if you don't No . Yeah , go ahead . 377.35 377.47 379.48 379.8 380.19 EN2006a A MEE089 0 375.157 384.528 375.22 384.47 Do you think ? Sorry , I I shouldn't intervene probably . But well the um isn't it that if um it's a region of the spectrum that's u 376.53 377.41 378.93 EN2006a A MEE089 0 385.648 391.68 385.67 391.64 and we can point at it . And then it is a sp a sp spectral f f 387.59 EN2006a B FEE087 1 391.664 392.253 391.83 392.13 Mm-hmm . 392.13 EN2006a C FEE088 2 392.144 392.528 392.22 392.41 Yeah . 392.41 EN2006a A MEE089 0 393.776 395.425 393.81 395.425 feature , and that isn't 394.55 EN2006a B FEE087 1 394.424 394.881 394.61 394.69 Pi - EN2006a C FEE088 2 395.856 397.563 395.88 397.46 You can point to a soft component . 397.46 EN2006a B FEE087 1 396.018 397.616 396.06 397.57 You can point to a soft component . 397.57 EN2006a A MEE089 0 397.872 398.608 397.95 398.51 You think ? 398.51 EN2006a C FEE088 2 398.928 399.442 398.95 399.37 Yeah . 399.37 EN2006a B FEE087 1 399.216 399.744 399.24 399.63 Yeah . 399.63 EN2006a A MEE089 0 399.792 403.996 399.84 403.83 Okay , alright . Okay . Okay , okay . 400.24 400.88 403.0 403.48 403.83 EN2006a C FEE088 2 400.633 403.128 400.68 403.128 It's a big bump in the soft bit . 402.97 EN2006a B FEE087 1 401.228 401.93 401.31 401.61 Is it ? 401.61 EN2006a B FEE087 1 405.44 408.773 405.65 408.57 Uh , now is a feature part of spectral feature ? 406.37 408.57 EN2006a B FEE087 1 412.448 413.92 412.47 413.87 I think you're right there as well . 413.87 EN2006a C FEE088 2 412.84 417.348 412.92 417.29 It c uh yeah , I'm not fussed about that . They both mean the same thing . 415.0 416.12 417.29 EN2006a B FEE087 1 415.127 421.84 415.22 421.8 'Cause it it's not just absorption . But it's not just absorption point five K_V_ . It is actually something in the absorption that you're seeing . 417.94 419.92 421.8 EN2006a B FEE087 1 422.848 423.856 422.87 423.64 If it was a - EN2006a B FEE087 1 425.424 427.2 425.44 427.06 a dip in absorption or a - EN2006a C FEE088 2 429.456 438.374 429.55 438.374 Yeah . This is the this is the thing you point to , yep . Yeah , that's the thing you point to and this is a ph a physical mechanism . So yeah , I'd say 430.61 432.63 433.47 433.67 437.03 437.84 EN2006a B FEE087 1 429.728 433.264 429.75 433.21 a lack of absorption , you would put it in , because we said we would put describing words . 430.65 431.23 433.21 EN2006a B FEE087 1 436.587 437.136 436.69 436.98 Mm-hmm . 436.98 EN2006a C FEE088 2 441.858 447.736 441.93 447.64 Two down . Two hundred and fifteen to go . Excellent . 443.15 447.15 447.64 EN2006a B FEE087 1 442.069 446.809 442.069 446.809 you would get a pencil . 446.29 EN2006a B FEE087 1 448.672 449.679 448.69 449.29 That's two . 449.29 EN2006a C FEE088 2 450.624 453.115 450.69 452.67 Mm that's definitely two . You're right . 452.18 452.67 EN2006a B FEE087 1 456.682 464.181 456.88 464.0 Ah , there's one with the equivalent width . I think you're right that we we weren't gonna mark the equivalent width , but we were gonna mark the lines . 457.48 460.1 462.74 464.0 EN2006a C FEE088 2 464.384 465.301 464.47 465.14 I think that's true . 465.14 EN2006a A MEE089 0 466.528 467.312 466.528 467.21 Yeah . 467.21 EN2006a C FEE088 2 470.928 473.506 471.23 473.506 Alrighty . 473.29 EN2006a C FEE088 2 475.904 479.68 475.95 479.39 What are we missing ? Broad line . Yeah , that's true . You get that . 477.02 477.77 478.02 478.76 479.39 EN2006a B FEE087 1 476.672 480.843 476.73 480.7 Broad line . And that should be a And nebulae . 477.11 480.7 EN2006a C FEE088 2 481.936 482.736 481.99 482.736 Uh - EN2006a B FEE087 1 484.304 485.712 484.32 485.51 As a source type . 485.51 EN2006a C FEE088 2 487.08 488.944 487.12 488.86 I don't remember what we were doing with nebulae . 488.86 EN2006a C FEE088 2 489.952 492.416 489.97 492.32 We weren't doing like H_ two regions and stuff , were we ? 492.13 492.32 EN2006a B FEE087 1 495.127 500.8 495.127 500.8 I can't remember . Should we see when the manual comes . So let's come back to that one . Um 497.25 498.66 500.1 EN2006a C FEE088 2 495.893 496.992 495.99 496.94 I can't remember actually . 496.94 EN2006a C FEE088 2 498.033 499.438 498.09 499.36 Yeah . Yeah . 498.93 499.36 EN2006a B FEE087 1 502.082 502.38 502.17 502.3 Yep . 502.3 EN2006a C FEE088 2 502.196 503.104 502.4 502.96 Yes . 502.96 EN2006a B FEE087 1 507.68 509.52 507.82 509.47 I what we're doing about that either . 509.47 EN2006a C FEE088 2 509.904 518.224 509.94 517.99 Mm we were doing descriptions that made things separate classes , in which case I'd argue for elliptical I think . 515.93 517.99 EN2006a B FEE087 1 515.982 516.728 516.0 516.728 Select a - EN2006a B FEE087 1 517.51 519.328 517.54 519.28 Yeah , that seems reasonable . 518.24 519.28 EN2006a C FEE088 2 522.2 525.104 522.22 524.68 My God , I've just gone mad with the underlining here . 522.74 524.68 EN2006a B FEE087 1 528.304 531.232 528.34 531.232 Yes . Um 530.23 EN2006a C FEE088 2 531.2 533.312 531.22 533.01 Yeah , I . 531.59 533.01 EN2006a B FEE087 1 533.232 543.088 533.25 543.04 Breaking the power law index , I think that's probably a you can point to it , but equally it's not a it's something you've derived . 534.78 539.33 543.04 EN2006a C FEE088 2 538.736 541.968 538.97 541.86 Yeah , that's the thing , but you wouldn't know it was a p yeah . 539.23 539.76 541.86 EN2006a C FEE088 2 543.712 549.712 543.91 549.712 The parallel index is something you desi derive . A break in a spectrum is something you can point at . So 546.45 549.1 EN2006a A MEE089 0 548.502 548.785 548.55 548.7 Yeah . 548.7 EN2006a B FEE087 1 550.544 552.832 550.65 552.71 So what's a breaking a power-law index ? 552.71 EN2006a A MEE089 0 552.752 562.701 552.77 562.59 I think it's a feature . Um because in the s sp spectrum it does that and it does that . So it yeah . That's that is where it breaks . So yeah . 554.68 557.69 559.94 561.52 562.59 EN2006a B FEE087 1 557.568 559.408 557.63 559.36 Mm-hmm . Yep . 558.91 559.36 EN2006a C FEE088 2 557.673 559.231 557.81 559.06 Yeah , b that thing there . 558.23 559.06 EN2006a B FEE087 1 560.472 561.212 560.55 560.92 Okay . 560.92 EN2006a B FEE087 1 562.608 568.372 562.74 567.84 Slight depression of the continuum near the Lyman limit . I think you're right there as well . 566.7 567.84 EN2006a C FEE088 2 567.2 577.802 567.22 577.802 And if I did it again , I'd say a slight depression of the continuum and possibly well , 'cause you can see both the slight depression and the Lyman limit . But we're supposed to say the descriptive words of the features . So 568.19 571.75 574.6 577.41 EN2006a B FEE087 1 571.376 572.899 571.65 572.7 But we're supposed to say w - EN2006a B FEE087 1 577.764 584.489 577.85 584.37 Yeah , i if it was absorption at H_ alpha , that would all be one . Or absorption at five thousand nanometres would all be one anyway , 578.01 580.69 581.94 584.37 EN2006a C FEE088 2 580.464 580.895 580.57 580.73 Mm-hmm . 580.73 EN2006a C FEE088 2 584.784 595.694 584.784 595.694 Yeah , but they would be the same they'd both be the same spectral feature , whereas here they're two spectral features . There's a Lyman limit , which you could see , and then there's a slight depression near it . But 585.59 589.86 591.33 592.1 593.22 595.43 EN2006a B FEE087 1 585.593 588.063 585.68 587.98 because it was at a certain point . 587.98 EN2006a B FEE087 1 590.074 591.473 590.21 591.36 But this is near . 591.36 EN2006a B FEE087 1 595.6 599.456 595.62 599.456 Yeah , I think you're right . It's it's near rather than at . It's not 595.8 596.6 598.66 EN2006a C FEE088 2 599.471 599.979 599.5 599.91 Yeah . 599.91 EN2006a B FEE087 1 601.552 603.624 601.552 603.5 . Let's mark that then . 601.552 603.5 EN2006a C FEE088 2 602.896 604.262 602.92 604.14 Do you have a sense about that ? 604.14 EN2006a A MEE089 0 605.072 610.592 605.09 610.54 Oh , you want to s split that one and , do you , into two ? Yeah . Yeah . Uh I'd agree with that , I think . 605.2 607.06 607.24 608.26 608.74 609.16 610.17 610.54 EN2006a C FEE088 2 607.92 608.957 607.94 608.87 Yeah . 608.87 EN2006a B FEE087 1 608.208 608.861 608.23 608.78 Yes . 608.78 EN2006a A MEE089 0 615.622 616.064 615.67 615.86 Yeah . 615.86 EN2006a B FEE087 1 615.952 619.136 616.01 619.09 Is that K_ clear ? Oh . . 618.52 619.09 619.09 EN2006a C FEE088 2 616.039 617.561 616.039 617.36 Excellent . 617.36 EN2006a C FEE088 2 621.469 622.341 621.469 622.27 Yeah , okay . 621.9 622.27 EN2006a B FEE087 1 626.679 630.256 626.83 630.19 Mm absorption . 630.19 EN2006a C FEE088 2 626.761 628.266 626.83 627.76 Uh-huh . 627.76 EN2006a C FEE088 2 631.664 638.112 631.69 637.99 That I didn't mark because it's the physical process of absorption . 637.99 EN2006a B FEE087 1 639.088 641.228 639.11 641.11 Yes , and you're right there as well . 639.66 641.11 EN2006a C FEE088 2 639.225 641.653 639.31 641.46 Not the the thing . 641.46 EN2006a B FEE087 1 642.56 644.64 642.83 644.51 Tell you who's more awake at this . 644.51 EN2006a D MEO086 3 646.222 650.363 646.33 650.363 Would there be other cases where you would actually mark an ab absorption ? Or 649.83 EN2006a B FEE087 1 649.904 652.192 649.97 651.86 Mm-hmm . An absorption feature . 650.98 651.86 EN2006a C FEE088 2 650.288 668.186 650.45 668.15 Yeah , if it was there's an absorption feature or absorption to see it the spectrum at this wave-length . But when you say for example the the quasar is absorbed , that just means the quasar is behind a a bunch of stuff . So that's describing something physically rather than describing the spectrum itself . 651.08 657.37 660.61 664.17 668.15 EN2006a D MEO086 3 654.122 654.82 654.24 654.64 Mm-hmm . 654.64 EN2006a D MEO086 3 656.512 656.993 656.55 656.85 Mm-hmm . 656.85 EN2006a D MEO086 3 663.408 664.612 663.43 664.41 Cheers . Yeah . 664.11 664.41 EN2006a A MEE089 0 663.76 664.352 663.88 664.2 Thanks . 664.2 EN2006a D MEO086 3 666.872 669.508 666.96 669.42 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Okay . 668.17 668.98 669.42 EN2006a B FEE087 1 667.424 668.138 667.44 667.83 Thank you . 667.83 EN2006a C FEE088 2 669.111 669.52 669.16 669.52 So - EN2006a C FEE088 2 670.544 671.187 670.56 671.14 Thank you . 671.14 EN2006a B FEE087 1 672.048 675.01 672.16 674.54 There is no steep soft component but our two K_V_ . 674.54 EN2006a C FEE088 2 678.445 681.872 678.55 681.872 I don't remember what we were gonna do about things that weren't there . 681.81 EN2006a B FEE087 1 683.033 683.939 683.12 683.78 Mm . 683.78 EN2006a C FEE088 2 689.92 691.376 689.94 691.31 It's not something you can point to . 691.31 EN2006a C FEE088 2 692.816 694.816 692.84 694.816 You could point to it if it were there . 694.78 EN2006a B FEE087 1 695.472 699.227 695.49 699.03 Yes , you could . I tend to miss out things if they're too long . 695.82 697.42 699.03 EN2006a B FEE087 1 702.631 703.255 702.79 703.255 Um - EN2006a A MEE089 0 714.096 716.928 714.17 716.85 But if it had been there , um you would've 716.18 EN2006a B FEE087 1 717.456 720.884 717.48 720.78 You would point to it . Yeah . Yes , I think you're right . 718.65 719.8 720.21 720.78 EN2006a C FEE088 2 717.817 719.006 717.93 718.69 Marked it , yeah . 718.5 718.69 EN2006a A MEE089 0 718.179 719.536 718.22 719.34 had it as a feature . 719.34 EN2006a C FEE088 2 720.669 721.027 720.71 720.95 Yeah . 720.95 EN2006a B FEE087 1 721.84 723.569 721.86 723.42 Should we go back to number five ? 723.42 EN2006a D MEO086 3 725.008 726.038 725.03 725.94 Is that the nebula ? 725.94 EN2006a C FEE088 2 726.8 732.688 726.87 732.48 Huh ? Oh yeah . Yeah . What were we saying about nebula ? Source types . 727.31 728.22 729.03 731.24 732.48 EN2006a B FEE087 1 726.96 729.226 726.98 729.01 But yes , nebula . Mm-hmm . 728.2 728.79 729.01 EN2006a D MEO086 3 727.268 728.858 727.32 728.8 Was it the nebula thin Yeah . 728.8 EN2006a C FEE088 2 746.416 747.679 746.45 747.62 No , nebula counts , doesn't it ? 746.6 747.27 747.62 EN2006a B FEE087 1 750.769 759.539 750.99 759.16 I think it does . We weren't matching a H_ two regions , because it was a region I think was the argument for that . 753.95 755.35 759.16 EN2006a C FEE088 2 751.885 752.509 751.97 752.27 Right . 752.27 EN2006a C FEE088 2 757.456 757.866 757.49 757.81 Yeah . 757.81 EN2006a B FEE087 1 768.08 778.72 768.24 778.67 Line again . Line in ratios . But I remember we weren't gonna mark line ratios , but we were going to mark 'cau we're here where you've got equivalent width of H_ beta orbited . 769.87 772.48 774.24 778.67 EN2006a C FEE088 2 769.879 771.51 769.9 771.42 Yeah , but that's line ratios . 770.08 771.42 EN2006a C FEE088 2 779.92 780.549 780.12 780.549 But - EN2006a B FEE087 1 780.829 783.507 781.18 783.35 Ratio is different I guess . Mm . 782.98 783.35 EN2006a C FEE088 2 781.552 792.224 781.58 792.11 Uh , line in in line in line ratios is modifying ratios . It isn't it ? It's it's not talking about specific lines . A line ratio is a thing . 781.96 786.7 787.9 790.99 792.11 EN2006a B FEE087 1 788.576 790.083 788.6 789.95 I guess it's similar . 789.95 EN2006a A MEE089 0 793.808 798.528 793.87 798.44 Yeah , because you haven't actually listed explicitly um that you're not going to include it . 794.05 798.44 EN2006a C FEE088 2 798.448 798.928 798.47 798.76 Right . 798.76 EN2006a B FEE087 1 799.84 801.056 799.87 801.056 Don't include - EN2006a A MEE089 0 800.976 802.848 801.0 802.81 L line ratio is after abundances . 802.81 EN2006a A MEE089 0 804.837 805.486 804.98 805.486 So - EN2006a B FEE087 1 805.216 806.915 805.24 806.77 Is that the value or is that the word ? 806.77 EN2006a C FEE088 2 805.454 806.693 805.454 806.54 . Yeah . 805.454 806.54 EN2006a A MEE089 0 808.048 809.552 808.07 809.552 Oh , I see what you mean . Um 808.25 808.95 EN2006a C FEE088 2 808.831 809.288 808.9 809.23 Yeah . 809.23 EN2006a B FEE087 1 810.176 812.704 810.22 812.49 Don't it in include the derived property ? 812.49 EN2006a C FEE088 2 810.48 817.472 810.53 817.33 Yeah . Yeah , I mean you wouldn't you wouldn't include abundances or line strengths . Yeah , it shouldn't be in . 811.02 811.16 816.07 816.66 817.33 EN2006a A MEE089 0 811.351 812.336 811.37 812.336 Well - EN2006a A MEE089 0 815.344 815.952 815.47 815.88 No . 815.88 EN2006a B FEE087 1 816.928 819.392 816.95 819.31 You wouldn't include line in that ? Okay . . 818.18 819.31 819.31 EN2006a C FEE088 2 819.264 826.066 819.28 825.9 I don't think . Whoop , no . Oh , I see what you're doing , you're circling the one we like , right . 821.22 821.48 822.5 822.95 823.56 825.53 825.9 EN2006a B FEE087 1 824.655 825.861 824.8 825.67 The one to keep , yeah . 825.47 825.67 EN2006a B FEE087 1 827.763 833.76 827.81 833.76 Damped Lyman alpha absorbers , I think that's a spectral feature even though it's 831.31 EN2006a B FEE087 1 835.36 838.48 835.38 838.3 You wouldn't mark the source type . 838.3 EN2006a C FEE088 2 839.772 842.742 839.95 842.54 Oh sorry , um yep . 840.49 842.54 EN2006a D MEO086 3 840.736 847.632 840.76 847.632 Um so so can I just ask w w now you just uh aligned d uh sorry , you circle the word in the in the outline which didn't 845.18 EN2006a B FEE087 1 840.912 841.48 840.93 841.17 Here . 841.17 EN2006a B FEE087 1 847.6 853.68 847.62 853.65 Yes , because we don't want it underlined . It shouldn't be highlighted . So . Yeah . M 847.89 849.64 851.31 852.57 853.56 EN2006a D MEO086 3 849.328 851.562 849.36 851.45 Right , sorry . Ok oh , I see , okay . Mm-hmm . 849.63 849.88 850.32 850.67 851.24 851.45 EN2006a C FEE088 2 852.544 861.707 852.544 861.64 Uh right , damped Lyman see again , that's uh these are source types , the um I mean it's not a source type . B 856.8 858.58 860.21 861.61 EN2006a D MEO086 3 853.119 854.816 853.119 854.72 Cheers . I see . 854.57 854.72 EN2006a B FEE087 1 861.519 865.618 861.74 865.618 Mm-hmm . But it's also a I i if we have 862.26 EN2006a C FEE088 2 863.683 868.64 863.81 868.54 But damped Lyman alpha absorbers are th are physical things , not spectral features . 867.04 868.54 EN2006a B FEE087 1 867.664 880.432 867.7 880.4 But th but you also absorb them by Y you observe them by their spectral feature . What were we doing for things broad absorption line quasar for example . We were marking the broad absorption line as well as broad absorption line quasar . 872.73 877.24 880.4 EN2006a C FEE088 2 881.693 883.034 881.76 883.034 Ye - EN2006a B FEE087 1 881.664 885.776 881.77 885.7 So I think it should be the same as that . If it's defined by a spectral feature , we should mark it . 883.3 884.86 885.7 EN2006a C FEE088 2 888.32 896.752 888.56 896.752 But uh you wouldn't be able to point something in a spectrum and say that's a damped Lyman alpha absorber , unless you'd 895.87 EN2006a B FEE087 1 891.562 892.319 891.66 892.0 Here . 892.0 EN2006a B FEE087 1 896.672 898.864 896.69 898.83 You could point to damped Lyman alpha though . 898.83 EN2006a A MEE089 0 899.702 900.101 899.74 900.06 Yeah . 900.06 EN2006a B FEE087 1 899.856 905.646 899.88 905.21 Because it says here , spectral features we're now referring to a type of source , E_G_ quasar . 900.6 903.25 905.21 EN2006a C FEE088 2 900.256 901.566 900.28 901.29 Yeah , you could do . 900.89 901.29 EN2006a C FEE088 2 905.721 908.149 905.96 908.07 But we wouldn't say absorbers were a type of source . 908.07 EN2006a B FEE087 1 910.014 917.315 910.1 917.19 Um not a bis specific type of source , but I think still the the spectral feature ge counts , even though it's m a modifier of something . 912.29 914.81 917.19 EN2006a C FEE088 2 918.608 921.632 918.72 921.632 Okay . I'm not certain about that , but I 919.54 920.64 EN2006a B FEE087 1 921.965 923.248 922.1 923.18 What do you reckon , Bob ? 922.65 923.18 EN2006a C FEE088 2 922.805 923.603 922.86 923.47 Hmm . 923.47 EN2006a A MEE089 0 924.18 924.988 924.23 924.988 Um - EN2006a A MEE089 0 928.528 934.72 928.55 934.66 Well , I mean you could look at this this spectrum and spot that um th L Lyman alpha has been damped. . 928.66 934.66 EN2006a C FEE088 2 936.146 937.277 936.18 937.277 But - EN2006a A MEE089 0 937.18 939.068 937.22 938.92 That is a n spectral feature . 938.92 EN2006a C FEE088 2 939.168 947.536 939.67 947.536 D don't with damped Lyman alpha observers you them a variety of places along the line of sight ? So you have to know 945.69 EN2006a A MEE089 0 947.392 948.672 947.392 948.6 Oh yeah . No , that's true . 947.98 948.18 948.6 EN2006a B FEE087 1 948.832 954.179 948.93 954.179 How does it work ? I don't know what which doesn't help . 949.58 954.09 EN2006a C FEE088 2 951.579 963.888 951.65 963.83 If you look at a quasar and you see a bunch uh if you got a bunch of clouds of gas in the way , you can see these things and but you wouldn't be able to point at one of them and say ah , that's a damp yeah . They're gonna be at different red-shifts . 955.49 961.06 962.63 963.83 EN2006a B FEE087 1 955.472 956.032 955.55 955.89 Mm-hmm . 955.89 EN2006a A MEE089 0 960.818 963.404 960.99 963.3 Different redshifts . Yeah yeah yeah , that's true . 961.72 962.84 963.3 EN2006a B FEE087 1 962.595 963.191 962.65 963.06 Y ye - EN2006a B FEE087 1 964.944 969.056 964.96 968.97 But that doesn't mean that it's you could still say that's damped Lyman alpha and that's damped Lyman alpha . 968.97 EN2006a C FEE088 2 969.536 972.12 969.6 972.12 I don't know how they do th that . But 971.88 EN2006a A MEE089 0 970.432 971.168 970.64 971.168 Yeah , but 970.89 EN2006a B FEE087 1 971.402 973.281 971.48 973.13 You could say all of that is damped Lyman alpha . 973.13 EN2006a A MEE089 0 972.976 975.632 973.0 975.632 But you're guessing in a way though , aren't you ? So 974.09 974.79 EN2006a C FEE088 2 974.059 974.656 974.12 974.47 Yeah . 974.47 EN2006a B FEE087 1 976.195 979.072 976.34 979.072 But isn't that j always the case with something that's not particularly - EN2006a C FEE088 2 977.062 977.397 977.16 977.28 Ye - EN2006a C FEE088 2 978.96 984.848 979.14 984.49 Well no , but you see them in all sorts of different red red-shifts . It's like the the Lyman alpha forest , sort of . 979.4 981.99 984.03 984.49 EN2006a B FEE087 1 983.568 984.176 983.61 984.05 Mm-hmm . 984.05 EN2006a C FEE088 2 987.504 989.088 987.52 989.03 And I'm not certain I would - EN2006a C FEE088 2 990.624 991.68 990.64 991.65 I would mark that . 991.65 EN2006a A MEE089 0 992.736 996.416 992.736 996.32 Mm that's a that's a tricky one , certain certainly . 995.4 996.32 EN2006a C FEE088 2 994.744 996.274 994.744 995.72 It's a tricky one . 995.72 EN2006a B FEE087 1 994.896 1000.848 994.92 1000.71 It it if it was if it was some other spectral feature and then absorbers , 1000.71 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1002.704 1003.768 1002.74 1003.66 would we mark it ? 1003.66 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1006.496 1021.22 1006.56 1021.12 Um no , I wouldn't , because it's they're physical things , not spectral features . You can't point at something on a spectrum and say that's definitely a d damped Lyman alpha some I g and I guess it's because they're modifiers of this source type , and we wouldn't mark that source type . 1007.65 1008.04 1009.99 1011.46 1019.82 1021.12 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1019.909 1020.341 1020.02 1020.341 But - EN2006a B FEE087 1 1022.154 1028.528 1022.31 1028.48 But we include modifiers of source types we would mark . We're not marking absorbers . But if it was a damped Lyman alpha quasar . 1025.53 1026.68 1028.48 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1023.461 1024.128 1023.51 1023.99 Wouldn't you ? 1023.99 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1024.88 1026.752 1024.9 1026.66 We wouldn't mark absorbers , no . 1026.33 1026.66 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1027.088 1028.308 1027.15 1028.07 Wouldn't you have all of it ? 1028.07 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1029.792 1040.912 1029.82 1040.49 then we would mark quasar and we would mark damped Lyman alpha . If it was broad absorption line quasar , we'd mark it . Yeah . So it's just I guess whether damped Lyman alpha is a spectral feature 1033.88 1035.22 1036.56 1037.94 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1032.8 1038.0 1033.15 1038.0 Right , well th yeah , th that's in the the manual . So 1033.43 1034.57 1037.4 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1033.788 1034.312 1033.85 1034.19 Yeah . 1034.19 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1036.613 1037.103 1036.68 1036.9 Yeah . 1036.9 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1041.904 1049.36 1041.92 1049.27 in itself . Which I would probably say it was , but then I've never looked at i one . 1044.26 1046.53 1049.27 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1043.792 1045.824 1043.83 1045.6 Hmm it's tricky one . 1045.6 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1047.699 1050.528 1047.699 1050.19 I g I guess it is . 1050.19 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1050.941 1051.165 1050.99 1051.11 I - EN2006a C FEE088 2 1051.19 1051.788 1051.28 1051.64 Okay . 1051.64 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1051.458 1055.376 1051.51 1055.33 And that it is altering the spectrum , isn't it ? I mean is a ch 1053.64 1054.61 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1055.504 1056.047 1055.54 1055.9 Mm-hmm . 1055.9 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1056.464 1058.768 1056.48 1058.68 change in the s spectrum of - EN2006a C FEE088 2 1056.544 1057.052 1056.68 1056.96 Okay . 1056.96 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1059.822 1067.536 1059.99 1067.48 It doesn't have to be something that's specific . I guess y you know , we we say a uh big blue bump or a soft or a continuum . And we include those . 1062.26 1062.76 1066.38 1067.48 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1060.044 1061.175 1060.21 1061.12 background objects . 1061.12 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1069.074 1076.353 1069.13 1076.26 But we weren't going to include s descriptions of spectral features that were based on fitting , were we ? 1075.85 1076.26 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1075.168 1086.944 1075.61 1086.89 That true , but w we have included c power law though . Well no , we included p steep soft component , sorry . And here we included breaking the power law , because of the break . 1075.97 1079.24 1079.54 1081.32 1081.71 1085.93 1086.89 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1076.882 1077.88 1077.08 1077.56 Uh is that right ? 1077.56 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1078.589 1079.248 1078.72 1078.94 Have we ? 1078.94 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1086.896 1096.389 1086.92 1096.27 Steep soft component . Yeah , breaking the power law is something I'm not certain of . Steep soft component is something you can point at in a spectrum and say , there it is . Yeah . Yeah . 1088.39 1088.55 1090.1 1093.6 1095.01 1095.98 1096.27 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1092.224 1098.53 1092.28 1098.4 Mm-hmm . But there's still some degree of fitting and it's steep , you're saying . You know , what's steep and what's shallow . 1093.48 1095.97 1097.15 1097.39 1098.4 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1102.336 1103.973 1102.36 1103.973 It's tricky . 1103.76 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1104.496 1109.19 1104.56 1109.19 Let's have that for now then . You if if we change our mind later when we go through , we can always come back to it and say 1105.38 1107.5 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1105.323 1108.453 1105.4 1108.36 Yeah . That's grand . Yeah . Yes . 1105.97 1106.83 1107.62 1108.36 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1105.952 1106.739 1106.08 1106.55 Yeah . 1106.55 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1108.781 1109.272 1108.87 1109.22 No . 1109.22 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1112.32 1117.533 1112.35 1117.45 Um again I'd say this this is a physical process , not a spectral feature . 1116.51 1117.45 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1116.8 1118.16 1116.82 1118.1 Yeah , you're right . 1117.31 1118.1 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1121.119 1124.048 1121.119 1124.048 Uh - EN2006a B FEE087 1 1121.486 1125.027 1121.486 1124.79 And absorption again . 1124.79 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1125.009 1125.419 1125.05 1125.28 Yeah . 1125.28 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1131.729 1133.552 1131.89 1133.45 Right , what have we got different here ? 1132.1 1133.45 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1134.496 1137.897 1134.56 1137.68 Uh I don't have K_ star , but I should do . 1137.05 1137.68 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1135.275 1136.665 1135.3 1136.665 Hmm . It's 1136.09 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1138.847 1147.273 1138.93 1147.04 Yeah , it's that one and this one here . Oh , we were including feature within spectral feature . 1140.01 1144.37 1144.64 1147.04 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1147.162 1147.785 1147.27 1147.785 Wait , where 1147.45 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1151.84 1152.509 1152.09 1152.36 Okay . 1152.36 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1152.675 1153.448 1152.7 1153.37 Okay . 1153.37 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1158.048 1159.568 1158.07 1159.53 What's wrong with broad H_ alpha ? 1159.53 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1160.514 1168.081 1160.54 1168.04 I think I just missed it . I think it's not as if it's a although it's four widths half maximum , it's still the s the line within it . 1162.67 1166.51 1168.04 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1161.5 1162.099 1161.57 1161.84 Right . 1161.84 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1167.92 1168.294 1167.98 1168.23 Yeah . 1168.23 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1169.824 1170.395 1169.84 1170.34 Okay . 1170.34 EN2006a D MEO086 3 1171.184 1171.876 1171.22 1171.72 That was easy . 1171.72 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1176.912 1180.682 1176.96 1180.682 Silicone two is an element rather than a - EN2006a B FEE087 1 1182.233 1183.824 1182.25 1183.79 In this context . 1183.79 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1185.2 1187.52 1185.23 1187.33 Rather than a line . These are the lines . 1186.12 1187.33 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1189.264 1189.936 1189.29 1189.87 I guess what you w - EN2006a B FEE087 1 1191.056 1199.264 1191.08 1199.19 If wasn't in there , then you'd have it silicone two lines at but without with the I think that means silicone two derived from these two features . 1192.17 1199.19 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1193.639 1194.687 1193.75 1194.55 Yeah . 1194.55 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1204.371 1206.25 1204.41 1206.25 Yeah , I think so too in that 1205.12 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1207.456 1208.078 1207.82 1207.99 Okay . 1207.99 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1207.968 1208.272 1208.06 1208.24 M - EN2006a A MEE089 0 1209.363 1215.056 1209.42 1214.94 That's actually an ionic species , isn't it actually ? Not a a spectral feature as such o on its own . 1210.8 1211.39 1214.94 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1210.851 1212.416 1210.96 1212.37 Yeah , that's true , yeah . 1211.37 1212.18 1212.37 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1211.44 1211.838 1211.46 1211.77 Mm . 1211.77 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1214.92 1216.144 1214.98 1216.0 Yeah , that's true . 1215.3 1216.0 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1217.136 1220.808 1217.136 1220.808 Lyman alpha forest clouds . 1220.47 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1218.525 1221.227 1218.58 1221.07 Oh no , we're back to it again . 1219.68 1221.07 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1221.981 1224.352 1222.06 1224.06 Lyman alpha forest you can point to on the spectrum . 1224.06 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1224.96 1230.895 1225.06 1230.895 That's true , but Lyman alpha forest clouds are source types we aren't marching marking . 1227.03 1230.74 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1231.224 1234.001 1231.35 1233.92 So we haven't basically , we just haven't got a a rule for 1232.59 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1235.424 1239.449 1235.46 1239.37 spectral features within or referring to s types of source when we're not bother marking the source . 1239.37 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1237.721 1239.888 1237.78 1239.84 Which we don't mark , yeah . 1239.06 1239.84 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1242.158 1243.796 1242.2 1243.51 But we can just be consistent . 1243.51 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1242.215 1245.568 1242.28 1245.48 So are we marking H_ two and H_ two regions , for example ? 1244.52 1245.48 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1246.0 1252.239 1246.03 1251.98 And I don't think we are , 'cause that's not a spectral feature in the spectrum we're looking at . Yeah . 1247.03 1251.68 1251.98 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1248.858 1253.52 1248.96 1253.47 Oh , that's true . But b yeah , but I guess it's not it's not defined by a spectral feature though , H_ two region , whereas 1249.04 1249.47 1249.89 1252.06 1253.0 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1250.448 1251.18 1250.58 1251.06 No . 1251.06 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1254.784 1261.36 1254.84 1261.25 Lyman alpha forest is defined by the definition of Lyman alpha forest clouds is that they have Lyman alpha forests . 1261.25 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1261.28 1270.176 1261.51 1270.11 But saying that isn't the same as saying we've seen that in a spectrum , whereas a broad line quasar , someone has looked at it and they've seen a broad line . 1265.83 1268.26 1270.11 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1271.247 1273.092 1271.28 1272.94 But someone's l someone's looked at that spectrum . 1272.94 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1271.333 1277.545 1271.38 1277.44 But if you're discussing Lyman alpha forest clouds , they could just be discussing the physical object , which we aren't marking . 1273.52 1276.53 1277.44 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1278.89 1281.102 1278.98 1280.92 B b why aren't you marking it then ? 1280.92 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1282.144 1284.464 1282.16 1284.43 Because they weren't I don't know . 1284.43 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1286.175 1290.026 1286.28 1289.9 I don't think we were making diffuse diffuse emission or - EN2006a D MEO086 3 1286.358 1286.954 1286.38 1286.954 The the - EN2006a C FEE088 2 1286.702 1290.729 1286.81 1290.66 Anything blobby I di I didn't mark . Yeah . 1290.34 1290.66 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1291.306 1291.84 1291.44 1291.76 Uh-huh . 1291.76 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1292.187 1293.2 1292.3 1293.2 Um - EN2006a D MEO086 3 1293.376 1295.776 1293.4 1295.776 I it it wouldn't count as a source type ? Or 1295.37 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1296.082 1299.136 1296.1 1299.136 Well , that's p what I'm p pondering really . Um 1296.24 1298.58 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1296.812 1297.369 1296.86 1297.28 Yeah . 1297.28 EN2006a D MEO086 3 1297.248 1298.608 1297.27 1298.51 Yeah . Yeah . 1298.22 1298.51 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1299.056 1303.396 1299.08 1303.396 I w I remembered not marking nebula or clouds or - EN2006a B FEE087 1 1302.768 1303.552 1302.8 1303.49 Hmm . 1303.49 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1305.155 1311.225 1305.27 1311.14 Yeah , but this is um species of cloud , it's a p 1305.61 1309.78 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1305.862 1306.411 1305.99 1306.26 Yeah . 1306.26 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1312.768 1319.977 1312.81 1319.89 a particular species of cloud , not just a general cloud , isn't it ? So isn't that different ? 1314.68 1316.75 1317.22 1319.89 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1318.269 1318.777 1318.33 1318.64 Mm . 1318.64 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1318.839 1319.454 1318.92 1319.42 Mm . 1319.42 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1323.2 1327.456 1323.22 1327.456 It's a modifier of of clouds , but I don't th don't think if we're including the 1324.98 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1329.137 1329.819 1329.29 1329.68 Yeah . 1329.68 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1331.178 1335.296 1331.27 1335.296 I think if we're not including nebula and clouds , we can't include 1332.81 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1331.488 1333.182 1331.51 1333.02 I think we just have to decide whether we're doing it . 1333.02 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1334.032 1336.816 1334.05 1336.75 Yeah , but Bob's saying maybe we should be uh including nebula and clouds . 1334.18 1336.75 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1336.736 1338.24 1336.84 1338.02 Perhaps we should've done . 1338.02 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1338.512 1341.122 1338.512 1341.122 But we haven't for the whole thing . 1340.66 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1339.248 1345.344 1339.27 1344.85 But we haven't done for the whole thing . So I think maybe we just need to put under don't include diffuse emission . 1340.78 1344.85 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1340.966 1341.706 1341.05 1341.58 Okay , th 1341.5 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1341.778 1342.411 1341.84 1342.3 Yeah . 1342.3 EN2006a D MEO086 3 1341.83 1342.403 1341.9 1342.29 Mm-hmm . 1342.29 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1342.578 1344.16 1342.61 1344.07 Then I guess not then . Yeah . 1343.72 1344.07 EN2006a D MEO086 3 1346.608 1346.944 1346.64 1346.84 Hmm . 1346.84 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1350.752 1356.688 1350.78 1356.51 But then we still have to decide if we don't label the source , what do we do about the spectral features that define that source ? 1353.85 1356.51 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1358.288 1364.272 1358.31 1364.22 I if we have for example broad absorption line object , we mark that . We mark broad absorption line in that . 1360.75 1362.68 1364.22 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1364.352 1369.298 1364.38 1369.06 But that's 'cause we've to know it's a rather broad absorp absorption line object we have seen it . 1369.06 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1368.208 1372.596 1368.23 1372.39 It's an but just to know this is a Lyman alpha forest cloud , we're seen Lyman alpha forest . 1370.96 1372.39 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1373.744 1374.288 1373.78 1374.288 Uh - EN2006a A MEE089 0 1375.008 1375.664 1375.05 1375.664 And - EN2006a A MEE089 0 1377.302 1388.112 1377.39 1388.04 But it's in this s sp sp sp sp spectrum of another object though . It it isn't the spectrum of the clouds . Yeah . 1380.37 1387.47 1388.04 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1383.623 1391.297 1383.76 1391.05 But it's still a spectral feature , even if it's not it might be a spectral feature i not in the cloud , but it a spectral feature in the quasar , the Lyman alpha forest . 1384.85 1388.59 1390.1 1391.05 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1389.968 1394.543 1390.06 1394.543 That is true . Uh and he could point at it , that's true , and say that is 1391.46 1392.85 1393.19 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1390.948 1391.497 1390.99 1391.39 Yeah . 1391.39 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1393.341 1395.511 1393.47 1395.46 Yeah . Let's keep them . 1394.78 1395.46 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1393.534 1399.647 1393.534 1399.53 Okay . Even if not marked . 1397.39 1399.53 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1395.44 1395.832 1395.46 1395.78 Yeah . 1395.78 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1396.976 1397.376 1397.0 1397.32 Yeah . 1397.32 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1402.628 1410.046 1402.67 1409.71 No one else can read that , sorry . Okay , so th Lyman alpha forest again . 1403.34 1405.92 1406.23 1409.71 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1404.211 1404.635 1404.26 1404.55 Yeah . 1404.55 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1405.56 1407.057 1405.73 1406.94 Nope . And here . 1406.46 1406.94 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1410.079 1410.489 1410.1 1410.45 Yep . 1410.45 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1412.416 1416.8 1412.44 1416.77 And that definitely is a spectral feature on its own then , 'cause it doesn't even say Lyman alpha forest clouds . 1414.82 1416.77 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1415.415 1417.236 1415.47 1417.18 Yeah . Yeah . 1416.89 1417.18 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1416.895 1417.52 1417.02 1417.34 Mm-hmm . 1417.34 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1418.224 1423.568 1418.24 1423.52 Each helium two optical depth , I think that's elemental species . 1420.89 1423.52 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1422.294 1424.624 1422.34 1424.5 There , that's derived , you're right . 1422.7 1424.14 1424.5 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1422.337 1422.969 1422.44 1422.9 Yeah . 1422.9 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1429.279 1431.813 1429.3 1431.63 Oh . Oh , we marked the same lines . 1429.43 1430.69 1431.63 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1430.272 1433.456 1430.43 1433.456 Oh , rubbish . Excellent . 1431.21 1431.84 1433.33 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1433.52 1434.982 1433.54 1434.86 What have we done differently ? 1434.86 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1434.412 1436.592 1434.5 1436.52 Uh you've got line brightness temperatures . 1436.52 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1438.912 1445.36 1438.93 1445.36 'Cause the property of the line . They're gonna we're gonna have a lot of these . And we weren't using line 1440.21 1442.34 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1440.545 1442.256 1440.69 1442.2 Yeah . Yeah , we are . 1441.55 1441.84 1442.2 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1446.64 1450.48 1446.66 1450.27 What was the one we didn't do before ? Line ratio we weren't doing . 1448.98 1450.27 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1450.136 1452.416 1450.2 1452.38 Yeah , I don't think line brightness temperatures counts . 1450.58 1452.38 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1454.096 1456.24 1454.14 1456.19 'Cause it's not talking about a specific line . 1456.19 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1456.735 1457.118 1456.81 1457.02 Yeah . 1457.02 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1457.552 1458.866 1457.57 1458.8 So Yeah . 1458.8 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1457.616 1460.064 1457.68 1459.93 Was talking about l lines , okay . 1459.05 1459.93 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1460.155 1461.131 1460.24 1461.09 I don't think that counts . 1461.09 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1466.629 1468.903 1466.629 1468.72 Feature . Right . 1468.28 1468.72 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1466.544 1468.376 1466.63 1468.05 Line feature , need that . 1467.5 1468.05 EN2006a D MEO086 3 1470.672 1478.704 1470.69 1478.704 Um sorry , can we just go back th uh one page ? Did did you resolve the the li the different um segmentations , like uh the main problem was 1471.52 1472.8 1476.17 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1472.965 1473.3 1473.02 1473.26 Mm-hmm . 1473.26 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1479.456 1480.928 1479.48 1480.58 There's only one difference here . 1480.58 EN2006a D MEO086 3 1480.896 1487.666 1481.1 1487.53 Oh sorry , I I thought it was a problem of like uh one having underlined the entire oh sorry . No no , I I se okay , sorry . Yeah , I see . 1481.55 1485.57 1485.81 1486.66 1487.05 1487.19 1487.53 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1484.89 1486.865 1485.25 1486.79 Oh , no . Yeah , they're all the same . 1485.46 1486.09 1486.28 1486.79 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1485.619 1493.568 1485.69 1493.45 No , no , they are the same otherwise . Quite impressively . That one's the same . 1486.14 1486.27 1488.98 1492.49 1493.45 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1490.512 1494.757 1490.53 1494.68 Yes , excellent . Um damped Lyman alpha again . 1491.06 1492.64 1494.68 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1496.752 1497.872 1496.77 1497.76 Systems . 1497.76 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1500.915 1502.784 1500.97 1502.55 Uh yeah . 1502.55 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1500.864 1503.952 1501.23 1503.89 And damped Lyman alpha data . 1503.89 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1504.912 1506.256 1504.93 1506.21 That's a modifier of data . 1506.21 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1507.2 1510.288 1507.2 1510.288 I can't even but if you said - EN2006a C FEE088 2 1511.888 1514.896 1511.91 1514.86 I mean that's that's a description of the type of data . A d 1514.67 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1512.498 1513.994 1512.59 1513.85 If you said the spectral dat - EN2006a B FEE087 1 1514.976 1517.04 1515.02 1516.94 The continuum's spet mm . 1516.94 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1517.232 1518.992 1517.25 1518.9 I really don't think that counts . 1518.9 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1520.016 1526.064 1520.04 1525.93 But if it's a damped Lyman alpha spectrum , you'd mark damped Lyman alpha , because in the spectrum . And and a da is equivalent of spectrum . 1521.62 1523.36 1524.11 1525.93 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1524.171 1526.784 1524.21 1526.784 I wouldn't , but you would . 1524.72 1525.68 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1528.592 1537.312 1528.61 1537.26 I think just because it's got a spectral feature in the phrase , you wouldn't for example , when we were saying silicone two levels , we didn't mark silicone two . 1533.0 1533.92 1536.04 1537.26 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1538.464 1541.085 1538.53 1540.9 That's that's got nothing to do with the spectrum . 1540.9 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1539.488 1542.752 1539.51 1542.67 That's because it was talking about s but if it's saying silicone two line . 1542.67 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1544.208 1545.728 1544.34 1545.56 Levels the new word . 1545.56 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1545.136 1557.641 1545.16 1557.49 But what this actually means is we've made some measurements based on damped Lyman alpha measurements , and they tell us this answer . And this answer is inconsistent with that answer . Yeah , I don't think that's right . 1551.04 1553.08 1556.49 1556.79 1557.49 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1554.192 1556.575 1554.21 1556.37 I think you're probably right in the case of it being data . 1556.37 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1560.143 1561.808 1560.24 1561.808 Hmm ? 1561.56 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1561.728 1565.38 1561.728 1565.25 I'm not sure actually . I th I think I would mark it . 1563.35 1565.25 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1566.368 1567.088 1566.42 1567.088 And - EN2006a B FEE087 1 1568.183 1568.906 1568.27 1568.63 Mm . 1568.63 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1568.436 1568.993 1568.51 1568.993 And that it - EN2006a A MEE089 0 1570.432 1573.904 1570.59 1573.87 It is a region of the spectrum and they're actually using a region of the spectrum - EN2006a A MEE089 0 1575.024 1577.424 1575.04 1577.424 as the data . Um 1576.73 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1574.931 1575.604 1575.06 1575.604 Well - EN2006a B FEE087 1 1578.896 1580.6 1578.92 1580.6 If it's an emission line data - EN2006a A MEE089 0 1579.719 1582.496 1579.79 1582.39 But if you both want not to mark it , then fine , don't mark it . 1581.37 1581.86 1582.39 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1582.48 1582.881 1582.51 1582.82 M - EN2006a B FEE087 1 1582.752 1586.0 1582.79 1585.88 Mm . If it's an emission line data , would we put it in ? 1583.89 1585.05 1585.88 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1586.032 1588.87 1586.05 1588.75 I wouldn't , but because it's a modifier of data . 1586.93 1588.75 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1587.312 1590.576 1587.36 1590.51 But if it just said em but if it just said emission line , we would . 1589.69 1590.51 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1592.512 1595.424 1592.53 1595.39 It the emission line is strong . The emission line data shows strong . 1593.68 1595.39 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1597.584 1599.072 1597.584 1599.072 . 1599.072 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1599.024 1604.617 1599.06 1604.31 Then uh I think it's the same actually , I th I think it's data isn't even needed . 1600.64 1604.31 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1606.848 1617.984 1606.87 1617.984 It's inconsistent with the damped Lyman alpha at more than the ninety nine percent . Or the damped Lyman alpha feature , if you put feature there rather than data , then you'd mark it . But I think data is equivalent if 1611.4 1612.53 1614.11 1616.37 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1614.912 1617.227 1614.98 1616.96 Oh feature , absolutely . B but 1615.49 1616.01 EN2006a D MEO086 3 1618.599 1667.472 1618.87 1667.37 So from the perspective the named entity recognition task , so I th I think th there there was also this one guideline of saying for example if something uh is sitting under a negation , right , the there was no um damped L_ Y_ alpha something , then um we then I think the convention was that we still that you still would mark that . Right , so it's more like uh a s it's uh uh it's uh sort of like a quite literal task that's really like finding these kind of uh these types of strings uh rather than really referring to the underlying physical reality , which I mean sort of like if if you if you were to resolve these kind of uh cases in order to put them say in a database or so , then you'd probably be right in this case , right . But uh th given that the kind of thing is that that this named entity recogn task is is a much is a much more uh literal thing . Like really just fin finding these kind of strings . I think in this case um I w I would say this is probably an entity . Yeah . 1621.52 1627.03 1627.24 1631.18 1635.27 1635.43 1646.58 1652.94 1654.57 1655.05 1660.75 1663.04 1667.2 1667.37 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1620.081 1620.538 1620.17 1620.41 Mm . 1620.41 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1627.523 1627.931 1627.59 1627.79 Mm-hmm . 1627.79 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1630.733 1631.074 1630.77 1630.93 Mm-hmm . 1630.93 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1635.616 1636.096 1635.65 1635.91 Yeah . 1635.91 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1642.825 1643.399 1642.88 1643.31 Mm . 1643.31 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1643.301 1643.709 1643.4 1643.6 Mm-hmm . 1643.6 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1647.28 1647.667 1647.37 1647.57 Mm-hmm . 1647.57 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1662.768 1663.352 1662.86 1663.19 Right . 1663.19 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1663.081 1663.603 1663.17 1663.5 Yeah . 1663.5 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1666.288 1668.4 1666.4 1668.27 Okay . That's think enough . 1667.42 1668.27 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1666.516 1666.873 1666.55 1666.8 Okay . 1666.8 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1670.519 1674.656 1670.84 1674.6 Given that we can argue about it for ten minutes , it's probably not that clear-cut . 1672.45 1674.6 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1672.13 1673.585 1672.15 1673.585 Yeah . 1673.34 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1675.747 1676.48 1675.9 1676.26 Alright . 1676.26 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1676.4 1682.048 1676.49 1681.87 Damped Lyman alpha systems and uh it shouldn't be either of them . It should be damped Lyman alpha 1679.81 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1677.664 1680.906 1677.89 1680.81 Take it again , but systems should be out . Yeah . 1678.55 1680.49 1680.81 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1683.136 1685.84 1683.16 1685.64 in red , whatever that is . Spectral feature . 1684.18 1684.7 1685.64 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1689.664 1691.535 1689.68 1691.37 And that shouldn't be there at all . 1691.37 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1691.488 1693.617 1691.51 1693.53 Mm 'kay . You've done it again . 1692.93 1693.53 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1693.417 1694.584 1693.47 1694.44 And I've done it twice . 1694.44 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1701.808 1703.136 1701.84 1702.99 Is that clear enough ? 1702.99 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1703.024 1703.424 1703.04 1703.39 Yes . 1703.39 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1707.072 1708.848 1707.22 1708.73 Right . Source type . 1707.79 1708.73 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1709.997 1710.978 1710.03 1710.978 Flat spectrum - EN2006a C FEE088 2 1710.096 1711.605 1710.12 1711.5 Did we have a rule about this ? 1711.5 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1712.26 1727.232 1712.3 1727.15 We were including modifiers , including broad line quasars , non broad line quasars as well . So I think we should probably include the flat spectrum with your q with your quasar is a very different from steep spectrum . 1716.88 1719.19 1721.39 1727.15 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1721.312 1722.165 1721.38 1722.06 Mm-hmm . 1722.06 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1725.063 1728.432 1725.24 1728.38 Yep , that's true . That is true . 1725.74 1727.34 1728.38 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1733.336 1734.751 1733.46 1734.71 We're ten percent of the way there . 1734.71 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1734.912 1735.941 1735.05 1735.88 Are we ? Excellent . 1735.5 1735.88 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1737.301 1739.024 1737.33 1739.024 Just hitting the half an hour mark . 1738.77 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1738.944 1742.549 1739.18 1742.24 You have to s speed up . We'll go p could be here all day . 1740.62 1742.24 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1739.155 1740.288 1739.24 1740.05 Continua . 1740.05 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1741.388 1745.472 1741.41 1745.44 Oh gosh , it will be here forever . Remarkably soft ionising continua . 1741.84 1743.36 1745.44 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1746.688 1751.736 1746.71 1751.44 You're right though , I think . Or or continuum . 1747.35 1749.12 1751.44 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1749.776 1761.667 1750.01 1761.61 See that i that's talking about the the flux of kin of ionising photons rather then the continuum of that spectrum . So I don't like that one . 1759.37 1761.61 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1757.091 1760.56 1757.2 1760.51 The absorbed continuum . Mm-hmm , yes . 1759.38 1760.05 1760.51 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1765.677 1769.119 1765.7 1769.05 Oxygen abundance . Yeah . 1768.85 1769.05 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1765.598 1769.913 1765.72 1769.76 Oxygen shouldn't be there . That's not observed . 1767.93 1769.76 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1773.424 1778.688 1773.424 1778.64 Heavy element absorption lines I think should be there . 1778.64 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1773.759 1774.912 1773.81 1774.87 Mm . 1774.87 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1779.008 1780.688 1779.03 1780.57 I'm happy enough with that . 1780.57 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1782.736 1784.169 1782.81 1784.08 Now what else is different ? 1784.08 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1784.096 1787.577 1784.13 1787.47 Blue-shifted . that's okay with me , I don't care . 1785.98 1786.96 1787.47 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1789.424 1791.138 1789.44 1791.0 Yeah , you can have that as well . 1789.98 1791.0 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1790.016 1794.08 1790.08 1794.03 Mm . Oh , thank you . And that one . 1790.45 1791.95 1793.05 1794.03 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1792.236 1793.242 1792.236 1793.16 There you go . 1793.16 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1795.672 1796.679 1795.77 1796.6 Next . 1796.6 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1798.016 1799.581 1798.04 1799.581 Uh - EN2006a B FEE087 1 1799.152 1802.976 1799.17 1802.84 You're right , star-forming galaxies are distinct . 1799.57 1802.84 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1803.008 1803.938 1803.04 1803.8 I think they are . 1803.8 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1808.096 1810.758 1808.12 1810.67 I don't know why I did that . I don't like that at all . 1809.6 1810.67 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1808.32 1814.99 1808.35 1814.85 That's , yeah , derived . Probably because you were doing seven thousand of these an hour . 1809.25 1809.84 1812.39 1814.85 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1814.246 1819.642 1814.31 1819.58 Yeah , could be that I was a bit sleepy . Lines from ions ? 1814.82 1817.53 1819.58 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1823.36 1826.432 1823.38 1826.4 You can't tell the difference between a line from an ion and a line line from something else . 1826.4 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1826.752 1827.392 1826.82 1827.36 You mean that ? 1827.36 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1827.456 1829.232 1827.48 1829.232 Well , you'd know where they are in the 1827.94 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1830.4 1834.944 1830.42 1834.91 Well I guess yeah , I dunno . Yeah . Yeah , yeah . That's true . 1831.33 1832.37 1833.46 1833.6 1834.41 1834.91 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1831.744 1834.527 1831.76 1834.31 If it was lines from H_ two you'd mark it . 1834.31 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1836.781 1838.244 1836.85 1838.17 That's true . Alright . 1837.89 1838.17 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1838.976 1842.068 1839.01 1841.85 Blue wing flux . What were we gonna do about flux ? 1840.64 1841.85 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1856.217 1857.216 1856.39 1856.86 Doesn't say . 1856.86 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1857.03 1863.765 1857.11 1863.66 Yeah , but the feature itself is blue wing flux or if it was said blue wing feature , we'd mark feature . Hmm . 1857.7 1862.16 1863.48 1863.66 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1866.4 1870.08 1866.58 1869.94 Yes , it's the amount of stuff in the blue wing . So I'm happy with that . 1866.89 1868.72 1869.94 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1868.484 1868.966 1868.56 1868.93 Yeah . 1868.93 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1873.504 1874.834 1873.53 1874.55 Line peak . 1874.55 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1880.768 1887.001 1880.79 1886.86 I think that should be marked . Even though it's talking about increasing line peak , it's also talking about increasing excess blue wing . 1882.72 1884.7 1886.86 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1890.768 1892.797 1890.89 1892.46 Should actually be excess blue wing flux . 1892.46 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1894.56 1895.841 1894.58 1895.72 Possibly . Don't know . 1895.46 1895.72 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1899.056 1899.616 1899.16 1899.51 Anyway . 1899.51 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1902.288 1902.982 1902.37 1902.982 Ah uh - EN2006a B FEE087 1 1902.353 1904.607 1902.44 1904.57 I think line peak is something you can point to . 1904.57 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1904.314 1908.224 1904.36 1908.18 You can point to it , but can you point to a line peak velocity shift ? 1906.12 1908.18 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1905.568 1906.448 1905.92 1906.36 Well I y - EN2006a B FEE087 1 1908.304 1912.95 1908.54 1912.84 No , but you can't you can't s also point to increa increasing blue wing . 1908.72 1912.84 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1908.541 1909.792 1908.56 1909.64 Yeah , I don't think you can . 1908.87 1909.64 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1913.152 1921.585 1913.31 1921.585 Well you can point to blue wing flux , 'cause you have your line and there's the blue wing flux . But if the line peak is increasingly shifted , you'd 1914.63 1917.52 1921.21 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1913.657 1913.918 1913.75 1913.918 What - EN2006a B FEE087 1 1915.288 1916.016 1915.41 1915.8 Mm . 1915.8 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1921.424 1924.752 1921.59 1924.72 Yeah , uh I don't think that's a feature . 1922.2 1924.72 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1925.36 1926.064 1925.38 1925.98 Okay . 1925.98 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1930.16 1934.758 1930.18 1934.67 Mm there's a system issue again , so we should be consistent and keep it . Right ? 1931.77 1934.47 1934.67 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1930.32 1930.898 1930.42 1930.75 Light . 1930.75 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1935.104 1936.191 1935.12 1936.16 Ye yes . 1936.16 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1946.064 1950.347 1946.11 1950.26 Right . Neutral hydrogen Gunn-Petersen absorption . 1947.91 1950.26 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1953.344 1954.8 1953.44 1954.77 I think all of that's a spectral - EN2006a B FEE087 1 1955.888 1956.512 1955.91 1956.46 feature . 1956.46 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1958.88 1963.936 1958.9 1963.69 It's basically a way of saying the Gunn-Petersen t it's a way of saying the Gunn-Petersen trough though . 1963.69 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1958.624 1961.424 1958.97 1961.25 Really ? It's a process , isn't it ? 1959.77 1960.48 1961.25 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1961.348 1961.921 1961.41 1961.8 Yeah . 1961.8 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1965.008 1984.304 1965.03 1984.2 Which , if you just said that it's Gunn-Petersen absorption from neutral hydrogen rather than i if it was a t if it was hydrogen absorption , you'd mark the whole thing . If it was hydrogen align you would , so you should mark if it was or H_ beta absorption . It's a marks the kind of spectral feature , doesn't it ? 1965.26 1974.14 1975.02 1976.89 1981.46 1983.77 1984.2 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1966.356 1967.056 1966.41 1967.056 Well - EN2006a A MEE089 0 1969.76 1970.751 1969.78 1970.66 Isn't that a process ? 1970.66 EN2006a A MEE089 0 1984.814 1986.238 1985.06 1986.13 It's a process , isn't it ? 1985.72 1986.13 EN2006a C FEE088 2 1986.636 1987.501 1986.74 1987.28 Mm . 1987.28 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1987.04 1993.568 1987.06 1993.52 But so is H_ beta absorp uh emission as a process from H_ beta . But it's still this is a process from neutral hydrogen . 1990.7 1993.52 EN2006a B FEE087 1 1995.056 1999.44 1995.14 1999.35 I guess what I'm meaning is neutral hydrogen should be in there . And the fact that Gunn-Peterson comes between it 1997.6 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2000.672 2001.639 2000.69 2001.41 is just a pain . 2001.41 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2003.221 2004.71 2003.24 2004.63 Well it I wouldn't - EN2006a C FEE088 2 2003.536 2004.208 2003.56 2004.16 Mm . 2004.16 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2005.872 2011.789 2005.91 2011.47 have any of it , I think . I think all of that is um just that is process . 2006.56 2007.08 2011.47 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2013.792 2014.192 2013.82 2014.14 Isn't it ? 2014.14 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2014.017 2016.896 2014.09 2016.82 I think I might agree with you . 2016.82 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2014.918 2015.766 2015.08 2015.69 Mm . 2015.69 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2019.361 2021.392 2019.361 2021.36 'Cause this definitely shouldn't be marked . 2021.36 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2022.448 2024.068 2022.47 2024.068 Because that is a process , not a 2023.58 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2022.96 2023.552 2023.08 2023.47 Mm-hmm . 2023.47 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2023.632 2024.208 2023.65 2024.1 Yeah . 2024.1 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2025.046 2025.196 2025.08 2025.13 A - EN2006a C FEE088 2 2026.528 2028.832 2026.55 2028.47 And if that shouldn't be marked , then that shouldn't be marked . 2027.62 2028.47 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2029.056 2031.808 2029.08 2031.73 Okay . Let's just cross everything out . 2030.36 2031.73 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2037.824 2038.556 2038.01 2038.4 Right . 2038.4 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2041.712 2043.632 2041.73 2043.28 Blue-shifted absorption . 2043.28 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2050.736 2054.736 2050.88 2054.6 I think it's a modifier of the thing , and so it probably should be there . 2053.21 2054.6 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2057.84 2059.184 2057.86 2059.14 Oh okay . Mm . 2058.93 2059.14 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2059.613 2065.136 2059.73 2065.05 As in we're putting weak and strong absorption would count , so I think blue-shifted should . Um 2062.23 2064.24 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2061.056 2061.502 2061.11 2061.33 Yeah . 2061.33 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2066.608 2068.8 2066.64 2068.6 that's talking about the line , isn't it ? 2067.55 2068.6 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2071.888 2073.328 2071.91 2073.28 So that should be in . 2073.28 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2076.48 2078.88 2076.5 2078.85 Hmm yes . Okay . 2078.61 2078.85 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2078.781 2079.305 2078.91 2079.22 You think ? 2079.22 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2079.36 2082.56 2079.36 2082.56 Yeah . That's talking about uh 2081.79 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2085.765 2088.544 2085.765 2088.544 strength rather than - EN2006a A MEE089 0 2090.096 2090.655 2090.13 2090.655 Um - EN2006a B FEE087 1 2090.118 2094.784 2090.14 2094.68 It's not the uh abundance of it or any derived property , it's just the strength of the lines . 2092.93 2094.68 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2096.24 2097.082 2096.3 2097.082 You don't think that it - EN2006a A MEE089 0 2098.304 2099.824 2098.32 2099.77 Actually is abundance really in a way . 2099.77 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2104.368 2105.36 2104.44 2105.36 I'm not sure . But 2105.01 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2105.28 2106.604 2105.3 2106.52 I guess perhaps it is . 2106.52 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2106.784 2108.241 2106.8 2108.2 I'm not sure . Yeah . 2107.96 2108.2 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2107.607 2109.927 2107.65 2109.927 Yeah , I'm not sure either . But um 2107.97 2109.15 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2108.176 2111.632 2108.176 2111.59 Um let's make a decision . 2111.59 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2112.584 2113.504 2112.584 2113.504 . 2113.504 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2119.184 2120.944 2119.2 2120.84 I guess it could be abundance . 2120.84 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2121.056 2125.92 2121.13 2125.89 B oh yeah , either that if that shouldn't be in , neither should either of those . 2122.15 2124.74 2125.89 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2127.152 2136.848 2127.39 2136.8 Yes , that's true . I think you probably should then , 'cause we will put in our align strength . Uh if it's a F_ i of a two line strength we would definitely put it in . 2127.71 2128.16 2129.41 2132.14 2136.8 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2128.414 2129.696 2128.54 2129.66 Mm yeah . 2129.66 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2137.278 2138.768 2137.32 2138.66 Yeah , that's right . 2137.81 2138.66 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2138.864 2141.552 2138.88 2141.552 And I think that's what it's referring to , even though it's not 2140.3 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2141.664 2142.352 2141.68 2142.17 Uh i - EN2006a B FEE087 1 2143.504 2144.474 2143.52 2144.474 It's not saying - EN2006a A MEE089 0 2143.843 2144.541 2143.94 2144.541 Well , but it 2144.18 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2146.313 2147.278 2146.313 2147.19 two . 2147.19 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2146.4 2149.136 2146.42 2149.1 Isn't this an elemental um abundance - EN2006a A MEE089 0 2150.48 2154.685 2150.5 2154.55 that you estimate actually using a number of lines ? Is it it isn't just one discrete 2152.6 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2156.928 2158.325 2156.96 2158.21 line in the spectrum , is it ? B 2157.72 2158.18 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2159.792 2160.439 2159.88 2160.26 A feature ? 2160.26 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2160.042 2160.749 2160.15 2160.61 I'm not sure . 2160.61 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2160.081 2161.296 2160.18 2161.1 Its lines . 2161.1 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2162.24 2162.576 2162.24 2162.576 What do you mean ? 2162.576 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2163.335 2164.108 2163.45 2164.03 Well if you t - EN2006a B FEE087 1 2163.904 2166.816 2163.92 2166.816 It's an abundance i it's an element I guess , but it's 2166.05 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2166.743 2167.19 2166.8 2167.19 Is it - EN2006a A MEE089 0 2166.736 2169.216 2166.82 2169.18 Two is an ionic species and it'll have a number of - EN2006a A MEE089 0 2171.456 2173.952 2171.48 2173.952 Lines in the spectrum , and you'll uh estimate 2172.37 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2178.352 2181.904 2178.37 2181.85 On the abundance all of the s species actually use the old lines . 2181.85 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2182.672 2183.504 2182.69 2183.504 Uh - EN2006a B FEE087 1 2183.728 2190.992 2183.75 2190.94 But it's a strength rather than abundance . I think that's still looking at the amount of flux coming out of the out of all the F_E_ two lines , rather than 2185.88 2190.17 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2191.424 2194.88 2191.73 2194.88 We've marked thing have we marked things like - EN2006a C FEE088 2 2196.128 2198.736 2196.15 2198.68 Yeah , I don't know if we've marked things like silicone one 2196.36 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2199.904 2200.401 2199.92 2200.29 throughout . 2200.29 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2200.854 2210.895 2201.12 2210.84 In general we haven't if unless it's specifically saying it's a line , but I guess the question is just as specifically referred to a line . And I maybe it's not clear enough to mark . 2205.4 2208.64 2210.84 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2202.502 2205.23 2202.58 2205.17 They haven't been if it's yeah . 2205.17 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2203.353 2203.827 2203.45 2203.73 Yeah . 2203.73 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2204.746 2205.193 2204.77 2205.09 Yeah . 2205.09 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2211.456 2212.25 2211.48 2212.13 Yeah . 2212.13 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2213.232 2214.602 2213.25 2214.31 Let's not mark it then . 2214.31 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2213.881 2216.617 2213.91 2216.52 Yeah . If we don't mark it though , we definitely shouldn't mark these two , should we ? 2214.14 2214.98 2216.25 2216.52 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2216.64 2223.984 2216.66 2223.85 Well line , narrow line . If it says it F_E_ two line strength then we would mark it , 'cause you're talking about the line of it rather than the ev element . 2217.69 2218.15 2221.61 2223.85 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2225.248 2225.952 2225.27 2225.88 Do you agree with that ? 2225.88 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2226.048 2227.761 2226.07 2227.57 I think so , yeah . 2227.19 2227.57 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2227.056 2232.561 2227.08 2232.561 If that's true then their leaving out the word line I don't should mean that it shouldn't be marked . But 2231.76 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2231.607 2233.278 2231.66 2233.278 The word line should be in there . Or 2232.86 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2233.845 2235.408 2233.99 2235.12 Oh well , what's new . 2234.75 2235.12 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2234.066 2236.032 2234.13 2236.032 But I mean , we know what they mean . Like 2234.83 2235.8 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2236.176 2238.122 2236.25 2238.05 Yeah , I think they mean l 2237.48 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2240.304 2248.895 2240.32 2248.895 I think they mean the line strength rather than the F_E_ two abundance . I think that's what they probably mean . But it's just not very clear . 2245.21 2246.22 2248.8 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2244.432 2248.16 2244.45 2248.11 Okay . Well , then have it in . Yeah , yeah , okay . 2244.9 2245.13 2246.83 2247.42 2247.77 2248.11 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2244.657 2245.596 2244.73 2245.54 Yeah , let's leave it in . 2244.95 2245.54 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2246.777 2249.536 2246.83 2249.536 Next . 2249.37 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2251.115 2254.16 2251.23 2254.16 B_S_ , bloated star . That's a 2251.83 2253.5 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2251.104 2252.036 2251.23 2252.036 Uh - EN2006a C FEE088 2 2253.481 2254.464 2253.61 2254.43 Oh , is that what that means ? 2253.71 2254.43 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2255.216 2255.824 2255.36 2255.71 Yeah . 2255.71 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2255.676 2256.416 2255.77 2256.36 Oh yeah . 2256.36 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2257.632 2258.122 2257.65 2258.02 Okay . 2258.02 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2259.107 2261.52 2259.24 2261.42 Um take out line . 2261.42 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2263.152 2264.0 2263.18 2263.81 Mm-hmm . 2263.81 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2265.264 2267.293 2265.32 2267.23 And that's just the wrong - EN2006a C FEE088 2 2266.35 2270.294 2266.39 2270.16 Seyfert two . Oh , yep . 2268.44 2269.47 2270.16 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2268.208 2271.92 2268.26 2271.88 that's just the wrong colour , as is that . 2269.72 2271.88 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2271.84 2272.512 2271.86 2272.37 You're right . 2272.37 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2278.879 2280.352 2278.95 2280.25 I think you were right there . 2280.25 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2279.298 2280.92 2279.36 2280.86 Radio loud counts , yeah . 2280.68 2280.86 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2290.368 2291.344 2290.4 2291.29 Yep , you're right . 2290.69 2291.29 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2291.504 2291.904 2291.52 2291.87 Yeah . 2291.87 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2296.318 2300.544 2296.5 2300.5 And you're right there as well . That's a physical process . 2298.69 2300.5 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2299.18 2299.478 2299.21 2299.38 Yeah . 2299.38 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2301.827 2302.418 2302.06 2302.29 Okay . 2302.29 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2306.644 2307.484 2306.84 2307.31 That counts . 2307.31 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2307.284 2314.304 2307.37 2314.27 Yes , that was one I wasn't sure about , 'cause infrared . And if it was mid-infrar uh if it was , you'd put it in . 2307.64 2308.55 2310.84 2312.4 2314.27 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2310.064 2311.63 2310.08 2311.58 Yeah . Yeah . 2311.06 2311.58 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2318.096 2323.523 2318.13 2323.41 That's just the wrong na that's just this should be a source name . 2323.41 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2321.76 2324.816 2321.94 2324.62 Yeah , the and this shouldn't be , should it ? 2322.31 2324.34 2324.62 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2325.6 2326.357 2325.62 2326.21 I don't know w - EN2006a C FEE088 2 2325.686 2330.981 2326.0 2330.94 M m does those count as modifiers active , we definitely include active . 2329.41 2330.94 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2331.888 2336.805 2331.97 2336.805 Yes . I guess the problem is due to what does that m mean . I presumed it 2332.66 2336.12 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2332.634 2333.682 2332.96 2333.682 So - EN2006a A MEE089 0 2336.28 2337.045 2336.3 2336.83 What does that mean ? 2336.83 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2336.177 2337.92 2336.32 2337.81 It's a k kind of elliptical , is it ? 2337.6 2337.81 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2339.072 2341.801 2339.09 2341.75 A E_ two is a kind of elliptical . What I don't know what the J_ means . 2340.46 2341.75 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2339.632 2341.363 2339.65 2341.17 Oh yeah , yeah . Yeah , yeah . Yeah . 2340.06 2340.3 2340.47 2340.95 2341.17 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2340.864 2344.458 2340.88 2344.458 Is it ? Okay , right . 'Cause that's one I just didn't know what it 2341.38 2341.79 2343.21 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2346.032 2347.293 2346.31 2347.19 Uh I thought it was a catalogue . 2347.19 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2350.176 2350.832 2350.22 2350.6 Mm . 2350.6 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2353.776 2356.32 2353.86 2356.18 H_ alpha I think should be marked , yeah . 2355.65 2356.18 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2356.144 2359.887 2356.16 2359.82 Those can does that not mean a a broad band detection ? 2359.82 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2361.072 2361.968 2361.09 2361.84 And does that count ? 2361.84 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2363.16 2365.181 2363.24 2364.95 Sorry , what's the I can't see . 2363.77 2364.95 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2364.439 2365.904 2364.47 2365.77 Uh H_ alpha detection . 2365.77 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2367.664 2371.728 2367.68 2371.62 Yeah , you're still detecting a line , even if you're detecting it from broad-band filters . 2367.92 2368.81 2371.62 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2374.579 2377.264 2374.63 2377.06 But don't we say we don't do that ? 2377.06 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2377.216 2378.11 2377.24 2378.11 Um - EN2006a C FEE088 2 2379.951 2385.595 2380.08 2385.53 Ah . I'm right , look . Don't include modifiers of regions or systems , E_G_ 2381.31 2381.86 2382.5 2385.01 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2381.264 2382.288 2381.32 2382.288 Broad-band - EN2006a B FEE087 1 2386.208 2388.08 2386.23 2387.93 Broad line region , you are right . 2387.17 2387.93 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2386.717 2389.885 2386.81 2389.78 region , systems . That's why I wasn't doing it . 2387.68 2388.69 2389.78 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2389.472 2392.768 2389.49 2392.55 And now align nebulae . Okay , we'll just go back and change those . You're right . 2390.66 2390.9 2392.2 2392.55 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2390.201 2390.916 2390.33 2390.86 Right . 2390.86 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2390.875 2392.19 2390.96 2392.09 G ah , look at that . 2391.59 2392.09 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2394.08 2397.524 2394.08 2397.524 Okay , where was it ? Started here . Um 2395.18 2395.6 2396.93 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2401.024 2403.339 2401.05 2403.339 Why did it so we mark - EN2006a B FEE087 1 2405.785 2407.606 2405.87 2407.3 Um we have got nebulae marked here . 2407.3 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2409.904 2413.125 2409.97 2413.125 Yeah , but b uh modifiers of regions or systems is the 2410.2 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2409.975 2415.854 2410.07 2415.28 Oh . Yeah , okay , modifiers with them , which is give a yell if you see one . 2410.87 2411.26 2411.57 2412.69 2415.28 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2414.447 2419.694 2414.447 2419.694 Yeah , we could always change this if we think we're right , rather than going back through and 2415.93 2418.21 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2419.159 2423.152 2419.19 2423.09 So damped Lyman alpha absorbers shouldn't be in there . 2423.09 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2423.648 2430.368 2423.75 2430.06 Based on this , but we could change this rule rather than changing all those things . What's the what was the appropriate thing to do at this point ? 2424.41 2427.79 2430.06 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2427.36 2432.864 2427.41 2432.81 But then I'm i I p I probably use that rule so half the time , and just forgotten to use at other times . 2431.08 2432.81 EN2006a D MEO086 3 2434.224 2453.456 2434.24 2453.456 Um so uh just about changing rules , I mean in a sense you also want to make sure that the annotation that that they the agreements that you arrive on today , that they're consistent with what you did before . Right , so uh I mean this really only displays uh th those cases where you disagreed . But if you sorta like change a rule now on the fly , then that might be then that might b uh create inconsistencies with the 2436.48 2441.29 2443.17 2443.34 2447.75 2449.9 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2442.98 2443.537 2443.08 2443.39 Mm . 2443.39 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2443.257 2443.772 2443.33 2443.57 Right . 2443.57 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2447.344 2450.522 2447.38 2450.26 Right . Right . Yep 2448.55 2449.88 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2449.316 2450.015 2449.41 2449.86 Yeah . 2449.86 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2450.192 2450.756 2450.21 2450.46 Yeah . 2450.46 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2452.644 2454.756 2452.68 2454.54 'Cause you might have followed that rule . Right . 2454.31 2454.54 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2452.88 2453.262 2452.93 2453.19 Yeah . 2453.19 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2453.552 2459.76 2453.59 2459.76 Yes , I I'm sure I've followed that rule sometimes and just forgotten . So let's take that out . Um 2453.87 2456.33 2458.6 EN2006a D MEO086 3 2454.455 2454.83 2454.51 2454.74 Yeah . 2454.74 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2456.88 2457.471 2456.92 2457.2 Alright . 2457.2 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2459.696 2461.392 2460.08 2461.392 Um - EN2006a B FEE087 1 2466.816 2468.462 2467.04 2468.09 Lyman alpha forest here . 2468.09 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2468.184 2468.848 2468.22 2468.71 Yeah . 2468.71 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2470.874 2476.544 2470.94 2476.44 But lyman alpha forest should be in here , because it's not talking about uh m it's not modified . 2472.61 2476.44 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2476.083 2477.089 2476.15 2476.93 Yeah , that's fine . 2476.47 2476.93 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2480.864 2482.672 2480.88 2482.64 Damped Lyman alpha systems . 2482.64 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2484.512 2486.432 2484.59 2486.432 Damped Lyman alpha data . 2485.9 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2484.72 2487.341 2484.74 2487.341 Ah , we're back to damped Lyman alpha data . 2485.09 2487.27 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2492.224 2493.904 2492.24 2493.79 Data I think we should keep in . 2493.79 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2494.54 2496.561 2494.64 2496.561 Okay . 2496.35 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2495.696 2498.048 2495.73 2497.8 Because it's would be the same as feature . 2497.8 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2498.768 2499.077 2498.79 2499.077 I - EN2006a B FEE087 1 2499.584 2504.672 2499.6 2504.48 Or spec spectrum . I think data's the same as spectrum , 'cause the data is a spec m 2501.59 2503.38 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2500.64 2503.248 2500.66 2503.248 I do I still don't think that goes in . But 2503.01 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2505.616 2507.776 2505.64 2507.776 Yeah . I still don't like it . But 2506.71 2507.56 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2508.512 2510.048 2508.59 2510.0 Final view , Bob ? 2509.41 2510.0 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2509.607 2510.947 2509.63 2510.91 I don't have passionate feelings . 2510.91 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2510.416 2512.239 2510.44 2512.16 I wouldn't I think now probably . 2512.16 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2511.381 2511.921 2511.49 2511.81 Okay . 2511.81 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2515.152 2516.256 2515.22 2516.2 Mm let's take that out . 2516.2 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2523.184 2524.88 2523.2 2524.81 And this one comes out as well . 2524.81 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2525.42 2526.0 2525.49 2525.94 Yep . 2525.94 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2528.857 2532.384 2528.96 2532.06 Okay , so we want nothing . 2529.21 2532.06 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2530.944 2533.194 2530.96 2533.194 Yeah , just cross those out . 2531.25 2533.15 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2534.603 2535.311 2534.69 2535.27 There . 2535.27 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2535.796 2536.243 2535.91 2536.2 Didn't it ? 2536.2 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2537.845 2538.218 2537.86 2538.05 Yeah . 2538.05 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2540.679 2541.742 2540.86 2541.32 Right . 2541.32 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2561.936 2562.528 2562.11 2562.38 Oops . 2562.38 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2562.686 2564.144 2562.71 2563.73 We're there . Right . 2563.49 2563.73 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2563.484 2568.8 2563.55 2568.68 Excellent . So what were we looking at this page for anyway ? It was for something else , H_ alpha detection . 2564.02 2566.27 2567.44 2568.68 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2566.992 2569.024 2567.01 2568.73 H_ alpha detection . 2568.73 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2569.972 2571.257 2570.02 2571.257 Uh - EN2006a C FEE088 2 2572.412 2574.976 2572.57 2574.89 Broad band detections is in don't include . 2574.89 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2576.608 2579.033 2576.64 2578.94 But I wouldn't is H_ alpha broad-brand ? It's a line . 2578.3 2578.94 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2577.122 2580.082 2577.35 2580.082 Well H_ L_ was a line there really , isn't it . So 2578.74 2579.17 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2580.842 2582.006 2580.98 2582.006 Whether you detect it - EN2006a C FEE088 2 2580.902 2585.912 2581.09 2585.912 Oh , so it would be a narrow band detection , a narrow band imaging detection . Alright , good . 2581.28 2582.78 2583.9 2584.23 2585.63 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2582.66 2583.209 2582.73 2583.09 Yeah . 2583.09 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2584.327 2587.296 2584.67 2587.23 Yeah . I think so . 2586.08 2587.23 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2588.592 2591.186 2588.61 2591.01 H_ alpha emitters are not - EN2006a B FEE087 1 2592.176 2594.384 2592.2 2593.93 a distinct class of source , I don't think . 2593.36 2593.93 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2593.695 2594.704 2593.76 2594.63 No , they aren't . 2594.25 2594.63 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2597.712 2598.564 2598.02 2598.38 Line . 2598.38 EN2006a D MEO086 3 2601.856 2609.797 2602.07 2609.6 Just out of curiosity , this narrow and broad band , that that refers to the type of spectrogram that you have ? Like t on the type of filter or is it oh , okay . Yeah , okay . 2602.89 2603.82 2606.22 2608.52 2609.14 2609.38 2609.6 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2607.728 2610.0 2607.75 2609.97 Yeah , exactly that . Yeah , exactly that . 2608.33 2609.2 2609.43 2609.97 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2608.036 2608.41 2608.1 2608.37 Yeah . 2608.37 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2608.224 2608.664 2608.25 2608.5 Mm-hmm . 2608.5 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2611.2 2617.168 2611.25 2617.08 But I guess if you're picking out a spectral feature , even with a broad band or narrow band then it's still a spectral feat feature . 2612.78 2617.08 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2618.96 2621.648 2619.0 2621.51 If you're picking out a line . What however you pick it out . 2620.34 2621.51 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2619.936 2621.015 2620.02 2620.93 Yeah , okay . 2620.57 2620.93 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2623.828 2624.235 2623.91 2624.09 Yep . 2624.09 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2625.824 2627.168 2625.86 2627.11 Line on its own . 2627.11 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2628.352 2631.098 2628.49 2630.86 I think there's gonna be a lot of those , which makes life simpler . 2629.84 2630.86 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2631.807 2632.768 2631.87 2632.72 Okay , yeah . 2632.45 2632.72 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2634.944 2635.296 2634.96 2635.21 Right . 2635.21 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2640.208 2642.031 2640.24 2641.97 Uh , this is another systems thing . 2640.52 2641.97 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2642.455 2642.954 2642.51 2642.8 Yep . 2642.8 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2648.4 2653.216 2648.42 2653.15 Absorption profiles . I think that I think the whole thing should actually be marked . 2650.96 2653.15 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2656.768 2660.016 2656.79 2659.94 Even this complex . How far should we go ? 2658.71 2659.94 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2657.128 2657.885 2657.17 2657.85 Okay . 2657.85 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2658.803 2659.483 2658.89 2659.35 Yeah . 2659.35 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2661.114 2661.921 2661.2 2661.81 No . 2661.81 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2661.216 2663.115 2661.24 2662.97 Comple just absorption , per . 2662.39 2662.97 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2664.384 2666.016 2664.384 2666.016 . Um 2664.384 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2668.448 2670.879 2668.47 2670.78 Yeah , absorption profiles I'll go for . Why not . 2668.7 2670.46 2670.78 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2678.688 2679.465 2678.77 2679.465 Um - EN2006a B FEE087 1 2682.976 2686.64 2683.03 2686.54 Lyman alpha forest line blanketing or Lyman alpha forest line ? 2686.54 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2688.032 2689.136 2688.05 2689.1 Yeah , take out the blanketing . 2688.35 2689.1 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2696.082 2696.647 2696.17 2696.647 Has this - EN2006a C FEE088 2 2698.676 2699.724 2698.75 2699.61 Ah , right . 2699.16 2699.61 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2700.208 2701.36 2700.23 2701.22 Is it a system ? 2701.22 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2701.808 2702.643 2701.83 2702.36 Yep . 2702.36 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2707.552 2710.608 2707.57 2710.57 V_L_B_A_ is an instrument . Oh , is it ? 2710.01 2710.22 2710.57 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2710.905 2717.816 2710.97 2717.72 Yeah , V_L_B_I_ is uh a net uh it's it's a V_L_B_I_ is it's a technique . It's not a yeah . 2711.18 2716.46 2717.72 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2711.808 2714.467 2711.83 2714.38 Is a network . But is it ? 2713.66 2714.38 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2714.692 2720.368 2714.83 2720.32 Technique . Yeah . The network is an instrument though , isn't it . 2716.45 2717.81 2719.88 2720.32 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2717.074 2717.812 2717.14 2717.77 Yes . 2717.77 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2719.232 2719.745 2719.27 2719.745 V_ - EN2006a C FEE088 2 2721.497 2725.442 2721.58 2725.442 What's it's called something else , isn't it ? The V_O_ 2722.82 2723.12 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2722.008 2722.432 2722.13 2722.432 It - EN2006a B FEE087 1 2723.537 2730.496 2723.57 2730.45 V_L_ b very long baseline array . V_L_B_A_ . If it had an A_ on the end , it would be the ne instrument . 2726.95 2727.99 2728.77 2730.45 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2726.519 2727.808 2726.56 2727.71 It's E_V_N_ , isn't it ? 2727.28 2727.71 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2726.544 2727.805 2726.56 2727.72 Yeah , it's called a V_L_B_A_ . 2726.76 2727.72 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2730.442 2731.523 2730.5 2731.523 This is - EN2006a A MEE089 0 2731.175 2731.74 2731.22 2731.74 Well it - EN2006a C FEE088 2 2732.608 2736.256 2732.63 2736.17 V_L_B_I_ network image . So do they mean the V_L_B_A_ . 2735.01 2736.17 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2736.762 2737.702 2736.78 2737.702 Isn't all of - EN2006a A MEE089 0 2739.92 2741.76 2739.96 2741.71 This is an instrument if you have it all , isn't it ? 2741.35 2741.71 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2742.0 2746.608 2742.02 2746.46 European V_L_B_I_ net . Is it in it it's an intstru group instrument , not a research group . 2743.75 2745.6 2746.46 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2747.057 2755.712 2747.1 2755.67 Yes , 'cause it ta it takes an image . So Oh , but then a m research group could take an image . Okay , let's oh , how much of modifiers are we putting in ? 2747.29 2748.58 2749.2 2751.85 2752.25 2753.45 2755.67 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2747.026 2748.032 2747.23 2747.78 I think so . 2747.78 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2747.473 2747.914 2747.56 2747.84 Yeah . 2747.84 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2748.88 2749.489 2748.97 2749.26 Yeah . 2749.26 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2749.312 2749.811 2749.35 2749.74 Yeah . 2749.74 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2757.088 2758.096 2757.15 2758.096 But um - EN2006a C FEE088 2 2758.805 2761.865 2758.83 2761.865 It's only supposed to be proper names . But I don't 2761.38 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2761.949 2763.747 2761.98 2763.62 Which it is , uh I think . 2762.72 2763.62 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2762.944 2766.613 2762.96 2766.4 Yeah , is that so this whole thing is an instrument , you say . 2763.28 2766.1 2766.4 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2766.064 2768.688 2766.13 2768.62 From one point six or from European ? 2768.62 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2767.12 2768.161 2767.14 2768.07 That's what I think . 2768.07 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2768.151 2768.583 2768.32 2768.49 Oh . 2768.49 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2768.944 2783.133 2769.01 2782.72 Oh , I think it's uh um s s s starting with um Eu European I think . 2769.68 2782.72 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2772.096 2773.984 2772.54 2773.9 Or just um V_L_B_A_ - EN2006a B FEE087 1 2781.584 2784.055 2781.6 2783.89 He's using capitals . But s 2782.76 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2782.409 2783.856 2782.7 2783.82 Oh , I see , I see . Yeah . 2782.96 2783.19 2783.53 2783.82 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2785.062 2785.808 2785.08 2785.19 Okay . 2785.19 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2785.028 2787.232 2785.12 2787.11 So is this like it's a subset of the V_L_B_A_ ? 2787.11 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2788.546 2790.48 2788.6 2790.39 Uh yes . 2790.39 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2790.48 2791.424 2790.66 2791.38 Uh-huh . 2791.38 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2791.68 2792.656 2791.72 2792.45 Just in Europe . 2792.45 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2792.843 2793.264 2792.87 2793.16 Right . 2793.16 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2795.104 2799.84 2795.17 2799.66 But it's actually Merlin and all the i um international logs in Europe , all 2799.26 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2800.832 2804.544 2800.87 2803.96 hooked up into one instrument basically . Yeah . 2803.75 2803.96 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2802.48 2802.832 2802.59 2802.75 Cool . 2802.75 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2804.008 2804.64 2804.14 2804.46 Okay . 2804.46 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2805.408 2805.744 2805.43 2805.63 Right . 2805.63 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2808.976 2810.153 2809.0 2810.04 Oh . 2810.04 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2811.379 2812.704 2811.379 2812.704 . 2812.704 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2811.574 2813.264 2811.62 2813.17 That is a source name , you're right . 2812.63 2813.17 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2821.336 2824.256 2821.5 2824.2 That's just broad-band , isn't it ? Broad line emission . 2822.52 2822.84 2824.2 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2825.744 2826.67 2825.77 2826.67 Yeah , that's just 2826.09 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2826.24 2827.568 2826.28 2827.51 So that shouldn't be marked . 2827.51 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2835.296 2843.528 2835.34 2843.43 Radio-loud objects . It's not ve it's not a m mod It's not an original system . M 2838.46 2843.33 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2841.904 2847.252 2842.05 2847.02 Mm-hmm . We say something about objects , and I think it's that we don't use it . 2843.62 2845.02 2847.02 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2845.92 2849.2 2845.92 2849.17 Anything ending in object we don't include , yep . 2848.64 2849.17 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2848.192 2848.691 2848.25 2848.6 Yeah . 2848.6 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2849.033 2849.293 2849.07 2849.17 Ye - EN2006a B FEE087 1 2851.92 2853.328 2851.94 2853.27 So none of those . 2853.27 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2857.585 2857.942 2857.69 2857.84 Yep . 2857.84 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2861.691 2863.421 2861.89 2863.24 Now we've both marked line ratios here . 2863.24 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2863.55 2864.947 2863.59 2864.85 Yeah , but we shouldn't have done . 2864.19 2864.85 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2869.248 2870.319 2869.28 2870.01 And that's the same . 2870.01 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2869.764 2870.638 2869.78 2870.53 So that's it , yeah . 2870.26 2870.53 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2874.944 2875.936 2874.96 2875.76 Continuum . 2875.76 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2875.504 2880.384 2875.52 2880.384 Yeah , that's fair enough . It's certainly not a source name . 2876.3 2877.27 2880.14 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2880.576 2886.963 2880.6 2886.84 And there it's different , because you're talking about the ionizing continuum , which is a pre 2882.13 2885.52 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2884.431 2890.407 2884.51 2890.35 Yeah , that means that's a proc it's a process or it's a it's a type of photons , that's not the continuum you're looking at . 2884.82 2889.08 2890.35 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2889.109 2889.666 2889.2 2889.44 Yeah . 2889.44 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2896.56 2898.156 2896.58 2897.94 I think you can point to line pairs . 2897.94 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2898.576 2899.407 2898.6 2899.31 Sure you can , yep . 2899.13 2899.31 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2902.666 2904.272 2902.72 2904.17 And that shouldn't be in there . 2904.17 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2903.782 2904.272 2903.86 2904.17 Mm nope . 2904.17 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2906.218 2908.962 2906.28 2908.962 Neither should that . 2908.82 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2907.888 2911.754 2907.888 2911.7 Yep . Scribble away . 2910.81 2911.7 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2910.791 2912.154 2911.2 2911.64 Excellent . 2911.64 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2914.176 2918.928 2914.2 2918.84 You're right there . That's all one big spectral feature . 2916.12 2918.84 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2921.296 2923.856 2921.32 2923.8 And nebula shouldn't be marked . 2923.8 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2925.584 2926.512 2925.61 2926.43 Have we agreed on that ? 2926.43 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2927.911 2929.533 2928.21 2928.93 What do we do back here ? 2928.93 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2928.283 2937.629 2928.39 2937.49 We only agreed that so far we've only agreed that we can't include spectral features modifying nebula , but I don't see yet where it's written down that you can't mark nebula . Yeah . 2933.7 2937.2 2937.49 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2934.4 2938.224 2934.42 2938.12 What did we do back here ? We did mark nebula , yes . 2936.09 2937.2 2938.12 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2942.741 2946.432 2942.79 2946.24 It was things that weren't distinct , like yeah . 2944.03 2946.24 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2945.2 2948.752 2945.33 2948.7 Yeah , but the see there's so many different kinds of nebula . I think is why I wasn't doing it . 2945.49 2947.56 2948.7 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2945.423 2946.329 2945.51 2945.98 Yeah . 2945.98 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2949.264 2954.448 2949.34 2954.16 Mm-hmm , yeah , it's a difficult one . But if we're gonna stick to it , let's stick to it . 2949.88 2950.04 2951.02 2952.61 2954.16 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2952.845 2955.273 2952.95 2955.15 Yeah . If we're going to have them , let's have them . 2953.63 2954.48 2955.15 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2960.208 2963.12 2960.208 2963.12 The ? The . 2962.27 2962.58 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2960.83 2961.637 2960.89 2961.47 What's different ? 2961.47 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2962.483 2966.375 2962.53 2966.2 Oh , yeah . Um , don't mind . 2963.04 2963.93 2965.48 2966.2 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2965.008 2972.255 2965.06 2972.12 And I think we need the . I think we would put stop putting the in , we could get confused . And you're right there . 2966.87 2969.1 2971.15 2972.12 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2969.88 2970.592 2969.95 2970.47 Hmm . 2970.47 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2970.512 2971.024 2970.53 2970.85 Mm-hmm . 2970.85 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2980.281 2980.913 2980.33 2980.8 You're right . 2980.8 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2981.68 2982.072 2981.7 2982.01 There . 2982.01 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2983.136 2983.963 2983.16 2983.84 Source type . 2983.84 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2983.22 2984.027 2983.26 2983.86 Oh , yeah . 2983.64 2983.86 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2989.758 2991.246 2989.98 2991.17 Line blanketing . 2991.17 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2989.849 2992.526 2990.0 2992.43 Line blanketing , you think y 2991.61 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2992.046 2993.728 2992.23 2993.69 Sh I no , I don't think I did I ? 2992.91 2993.69 EN2006a B FEE087 1 2995.04 2999.024 2995.07 2998.78 We had line blanketing just now and we included it . I think we sh um . 2996.92 2998.78 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2995.534 2997.463 2995.55 2997.36 So that yeah . Did we ? 2997.03 2997.36 EN2006a A MEE089 0 2997.777 3002.085 2997.83 3001.96 Did you ? I thought it was a process and that it it wasn't included . 2998.42 3001.96 EN2006a C FEE088 2 2998.87 2999.392 2998.99 2999.392 Ah - EN2006a C FEE088 2 3003.04 3003.906 3003.24 3003.906 Um - EN2006a B FEE087 1 3003.12 3004.116 3003.28 3003.97 Where was it ? 3003.97 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3005.792 3012.231 3005.82 3012.17 We did just have it , don't know . It wasn't that far back , was it ? No , it wasn't that far back . 3006.88 3007.63 3008.57 3010.9 3011.24 3012.17 EN2006a A MEE089 0 3006.816 3007.6 3006.95 3007.36 Yeah . 3007.36 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3010.256 3016.668 3010.29 3016.52 Don't think n Lyman f forest line blanket , we took blanketing out . 3015.17 3016.52 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3014.06 3017.877 3014.13 3017.83 Line yeah , we took blanketing out , so I don't think that should be in . 3015.58 3016.68 3017.83 EN2006a A MEE089 0 3016.656 3017.098 3016.68 3017.0 Yeah . 3017.0 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3022.816 3023.803 3022.84 3023.57 And that's all the same . 3023.57 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3022.97 3024.008 3023.05 3023.85 Is that it ? Yeah . 3023.6 3023.85 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3027.968 3031.004 3027.99 3030.94 Uh that's a source nine . 3030.94 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3032.208 3034.096 3032.23 3034.06 Yes . Yes , it is . 3033.52 3033.76 3034.06 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3032.282 3032.806 3032.36 3032.63 Isn't it ? 3032.63 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3033.792 3034.193 3033.81 3034.08 Yeah . 3034.08 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3035.28 3036.97 3035.37 3036.74 Red and blue components . 3036.74 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3039.952 3041.664 3039.98 3041.53 I think you're right there as well . 3041.53 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3043.552 3044.543 3043.59 3044.45 Mm . 3044.45 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3046.192 3048.73 3046.21 3048.59 Yeah . Yeah . I think I'm right . 3047.25 3048.03 3048.59 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3046.768 3048.218 3046.768 3048.218 . 3048.218 EN2006a A MEE089 0 3051.862 3052.386 3051.92 3052.28 Really ? 3052.28 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3054.528 3056.72 3054.55 3056.64 Yeah , I think i in the same way that you can point to 3054.67 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3058.576 3061.764 3058.6 3061.764 the soft X_ rays or or the hard X_ rays , you can point to the red and the 3060.59 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3058.515 3059.738 3058.78 3059.65 Oh , yeah . 3059.34 3059.65 EN2006a A MEE089 0 3061.712 3069.33 3061.73 3069.23 Well I would argue about that,you see , because I think that I mean th that you only extract that after you actually model a sp spectrum , don't you ? 3062.86 3068.65 3069.23 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3063.082 3063.417 3063.13 3063.31 Yeah . 3063.31 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3070.128 3070.676 3070.5 3070.6 Hmm . 3070.6 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3071.008 3078.992 3071.03 3078.992 Mm the soft excess you can definitely point to on an X_ ray thing . You kn you know if there's one there or not , you could say that's that . So 3075.17 3076.68 3078.11 EN2006a A MEE089 0 3079.728 3082.847 3079.77 3082.78 Yeah . But , have a component though as such . 3080.25 3080.99 3082.78 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3079.999 3082.219 3080.05 3082.219 You're saying you wouldn't know it was soft unless you'd - EN2006a C FEE088 2 3083.956 3085.678 3084.03 3085.678 w oh yeah . I see what 3085.01 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3084.88 3096.256 3085.15 3095.83 But we're talking about the c the continuum though . If you have a galaxy spectrum though , you can say there's the blue component , there's the red component to the spectrum . Oh , I see what you mean , i like it comes from adding two different things together . 3086.64 3087.67 3088.7 3091.92 3092.05 3092.72 3095.83 EN2006a A MEE089 0 3090.522 3092.072 3090.68 3091.95 Yeah , g um c 3090.93 EN2006a A MEE089 0 3095.596 3097.552 3095.67 3097.552 Yeah , that's that's what I'm thinking , that 3096.17 3097.34 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3096.355 3096.862 3096.44 3096.76 Mm . 3096.76 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3097.952 3099.62 3098.5 3099.42 I can see that , yeah . 3099.14 3099.42 EN2006a A MEE089 0 3102.224 3109.718 3102.24 3109.45 It's actually really um after you actually model the s a spectrum , not just actually looking at the spectrum . Yeah , you think ? 3105.53 3108.68 3109.17 3109.45 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3103.744 3105.343 3103.78 3105.05 But results from spectral . 3105.05 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3107.776 3108.404 3107.8 3108.34 Yes . 3108.34 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3109.408 3120.698 3109.43 3120.698 Give that for red and blue components , but I wouldn't probably give that for soft component . Because a soft excess is a uh I mean that's an X_ ray thing . Like a break , you say oh look , there's 3111.19 3113.92 3118.45 3119.21 3119.97 EN2006a A MEE089 0 3118.08 3118.894 3118.42 3118.54 Y - EN2006a B FEE087 1 3119.344 3124.1 3119.36 3124.1 But if it said red or blue excess rather than red or blue component , I guess the problem with 3123.38 EN2006a A MEE089 0 3120.206 3120.879 3120.25 3120.76 Yeah . 3120.76 EN2006a A MEE089 0 3122.69 3128.735 3122.72 3128.55 Yeah , but um component it is m means it's an element actually in the model though . 3123.12 3128.55 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3125.77 3129.2 3125.84 3129.08 Mm . Yeah . Yeah , I'd take out red and blue . 3126.65 3127.8 3128.04 3129.08 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3128.08 3128.926 3128.1 3128.82 Mm-hmm , okay . 3128.55 3128.82 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3131.952 3132.871 3132.13 3132.871 Let's - EN2006a C FEE088 2 3133.664 3142.208 3133.68 3142.208 Which means maybe we should take out soft . But it's such a basic sort of you look at a spectrum and you say that's a a soft excess , it's a soft 3135.41 3141.42 EN2006a A MEE089 0 3135.984 3137.216 3136.0 3137.216 Well uh - EN2006a A MEE089 0 3142.401 3148.132 3142.44 3147.95 The excesses , yeah . But um the component isn't . 3143.23 3143.93 3147.95 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3143.406 3145.077 3143.45 3144.96 Yeah . It's just a t 3144.49 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3145.008 3152.061 3145.03 3151.81 If you modelled it with two parts , one that had a a ha a harder and softer spectrum Hubble in Hubble deep field south . 3146.53 3151.81 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3146.444 3148.398 3146.46 3148.33 Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . 3147.21 3147.91 3148.33 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3149.992 3151.555 3150.08 3151.47 That's probably true , yeah . 3151.11 3151.47 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3153.566 3157.152 3153.73 3157.09 Um Hubble and Hubble deep sent to us . 3157.09 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3158.976 3165.008 3159.12 3164.97 I didn't include it . Although it does apply to the telescope . But mm . 3160.88 3163.05 3164.97 EN2006a A MEE089 0 3161.68 3163.553 3161.73 3163.44 I think I would . Yeah . 3163.14 3163.44 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3162.704 3163.213 3162.73 3163.05 Yeah . 3163.05 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3164.31 3164.851 3164.39 3164.78 Yeah . 3164.78 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3166.032 3166.928 3166.13 3166.81 Let's keep it in . 3166.81 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3166.83 3170.804 3166.88 3170.68 So should w did we have a soft component earlier ? So we sh should kill it . 3169.1 3170.68 EN2006a A MEE089 0 3168.197 3171.523 3168.197 3171.4 Yes . Yeah . Yeah . 3169.89 3170.81 3171.4 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3172.436 3173.667 3172.56 3173.22 Anyone remember when ? 3173.22 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3173.727 3174.925 3173.95 3174.925 No . 3174.67 EN2006a A MEE089 0 3174.551 3174.849 3174.62 3174.71 I - EN2006a A MEE089 0 3175.967 3178.133 3175.99 3178.133 I think actually pretty early on I'd have thought - EN2006a B FEE087 1 3177.572 3178.919 3177.66 3178.6 Let's start at the beginning . 3178.6 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3178.197 3178.57 3178.26 3178.5 Yeah . 3178.5 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3181.2 3181.883 3181.33 3181.73 There it is . 3181.73 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3181.584 3183.73 3181.64 3183.59 Oh . Excellent . 3182.81 3183.59 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3189.913 3190.912 3190.0 3190.912 Um - EN2006a C FEE088 2 3190.188 3190.672 3190.28 3190.53 Right . 3190.53 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3191.936 3193.38 3192.0 3193.31 Hubble . . 3193.31 3193.31 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3192.051 3192.498 3192.07 3192.38 Alright . 3192.38 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3199.008 3201.168 3199.03 3200.91 No wait , the top one I think you should include . 3199.27 3200.91 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3203.664 3205.919 3203.79 3205.47 Possibly with flux as well though . 3205.47 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3208.448 3209.622 3208.48 3209.52 Mm d yeah , okay . 3209.27 3209.52 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3218.343 3220.29 3218.44 3220.14 Yeah , that's fine , I'm happy with all that . 3218.7 3219.23 3220.14 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3219.609 3222.827 3219.69 3222.46 And then yes , the whole thing . 3222.06 3222.46 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3221.924 3222.382 3222.0 3222.28 Yeah . 3222.28 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3224.736 3225.312 3224.736 3225.312 . 3225.312 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3232.499 3241.424 3232.53 3241.424 Well , I said radio galaxies . Now what did we p we say about acronyms where part of it was useful ? Um 3232.75 3234.41 3240.47 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3234.526 3235.57 3234.62 3235.52 Yeah , that counts . 3234.93 3235.52 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3244.96 3248.352 3244.98 3248.26 Do we ha did we s make a decision about radio galaxies ? 'Cause I think 3247.8 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3249.504 3251.856 3249.52 3251.77 they are discussed as a separate source type , aren't they ? 3251.48 3251.77 EN2006a A MEE089 0 3253.799 3254.576 3253.82 3254.45 Where are they ? 3254.45 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3254.626 3255.414 3254.68 3255.414 Um - EN2006a C FEE088 2 3255.328 3256.364 3255.328 3256.33 radio galaxies ? 3256.33 EN2006a A MEE089 0 3256.4 3257.712 3256.58 3257.67 Uh only just - EN2006a A MEE089 0 3258.113 3258.337 3258.14 3258.26 i - EN2006a A MEE089 0 3259.808 3263.41 3259.83 3263.23 Interesting because on the hour it yeah . 3263.23 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3261.799 3265.041 3261.799 3264.86 It hides that , yeah . Yeah , you're right . 3262.85 3263.99 3264.53 3264.86 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3263.928 3272.816 3264.0 3272.816 But I don't think we should mark high red-shift in that . They are just red-shi but yes . Wh what did we say about acronyms where 3268.07 3270.31 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3266.144 3266.645 3266.16 3266.56 Yeah . 3266.56 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3267.568 3268.127 3267.59 3267.93 Yeah . 3267.93 EN2006a A MEE089 0 3267.966 3268.451 3268.01 3268.18 No . 3268.18 EN2006a A MEE089 0 3269.704 3270.735 3269.77 3270.54 No it is yeah . 3270.54 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3273.744 3278.194 3273.77 3278.01 Where part of it's useful . I think you're supposed to mark the whole thing , aren't you ? Yeah , so you're right . 3275.01 3276.44 3277.14 3277.57 3278.01 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3276.448 3277.711 3276.47 3277.31 Yes , I think you are . 3276.88 3277.31 EN2006a D MEO086 3 3276.944 3277.452 3277.03 3277.41 Mm-hmm . 3277.41 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3286.8 3287.84 3286.82 3287.84 Um - EN2006a B FEE087 1 3288.179 3290.958 3288.31 3290.84 Seyfert one point eight and one point nine galaxies - EN2006a C FEE088 2 3293.776 3302.481 3293.82 3302.3 It's a sub-classification of Seyfert's . would make a s study Seyfert one point eights . Oh do they ? 3296.46 3301.49 3302.3 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3297.92 3302.686 3297.97 3302.686 You wouldn't say we're talking about yes . 3302.6 EN2006a A MEE089 0 3300.528 3305.228 3300.55 3304.67 Well people do though , don't they ? I mean it's pretty s stupid , but they do . 3301.48 3301.82 3304.16 3304.67 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3306.912 3308.296 3307.0 3307.98 I think they probably are . 3307.98 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3308.128 3308.936 3308.15 3308.85 You're right , yeah . 3308.59 3308.85 EN2006a A MEE089 0 3308.704 3310.028 3308.73 3309.92 Yeah , I think so . 3309.43 3309.92 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3309.728 3312.096 3309.75 3311.97 Inseparate . And it's just the and that annoys . 3310.32 3311.97 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3310.109 3311.264 3310.16 3311.22 Yeah , that's fine . 3310.74 3311.22 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3313.152 3314.986 3313.17 3314.75 Mission line feature we're gonna include . 3314.75 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3314.877 3315.392 3314.99 3315.3 Uh yep . 3315.3 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3320.896 3324.972 3320.896 3324.87 Yeah , galaxy and galaxy formation doesn't count . 3322.18 3324.87 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3321.856 3325.145 3321.88 3324.82 Galaxy when it's a process . Yes . 3324.29 3324.82 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3326.976 3330.711 3327.19 3330.62 And yes , that counts . 3329.91 3330.62 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3328.56 3330.098 3328.64 3330.0 Ah , now this is one 3328.88 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3331.136 3336.864 3331.16 3336.8 where it should be this one , but what if you'd un if these are doubly underlined ? Has it just plotted the top colour ? 3332.16 3335.19 3336.8 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3332.647 3333.512 3332.7 3333.512 But in - EN2006a D MEO086 3 3338.592 3342.144 3338.61 3342.144 Oh , was it actually possible to doubly underline things ? Um 3338.7 3341.52 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3340.547 3341.004 3340.61 3340.97 Yes . 3340.97 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3340.731 3341.304 3340.84 3341.17 Yeah . 3341.17 EN2006a D MEO086 3 3343.312 3345.341 3343.33 3345.09 I don't know wh which one it would display then . 3345.09 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3345.936 3353.472 3345.96 3353.472 Okay , because what we want here let's just mark what we want and mark that , but with also broad line 3346.31 3350.08 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3347.053 3348.394 3347.2 3348.394 Right , but I'm on the 3347.47 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3352.457 3352.978 3352.55 3352.89 Yeah . 3352.89 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3356.326 3357.184 3356.37 3357.13 I can't write . 3357.13 EN2006a D MEO086 3 3357.248 3363.062 3357.27 3362.94 I I actually didn't know that it was possible to have these so you you you allowed these kind of embedded uh annotations ? Right , okay . 3362.26 3362.58 3362.94 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3359.698 3368.304 3359.81 3368.17 We changed it so that you could . Yeah , because quite often uh an object class is defined by a spectral feature . 3361.53 3362.94 3368.17 EN2006a A MEE089 0 3361.309 3362.09 3361.309 3362.01 Yeah . 3362.01 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3361.401 3361.885 3361.44 3361.77 Mm . 3361.77 EN2006a D MEO086 3 3368.164 3369.488 3368.24 3369.45 Mm-hmm . Okay . 3369.09 3369.45 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3369.408 3371.006 3369.48 3370.91 Like broad line radio galaxies . 3370.91 EN2006a D MEO086 3 3370.48 3370.957 3370.51 3370.78 Mm-hmm . 3370.78 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3370.743 3371.127 3370.83 3371.05 Yeah . 3371.05 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3373.028 3373.792 3373.14 3373.54 Mm-hmm . 3373.54 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3376.816 3379.537 3377.08 3379.38 Broader lines , I think . 3378.68 3379.38 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3377.155 3380.208 3377.155 3380.09 Yeah , I don't think that should go in . 3378.74 3380.09 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3387.136 3389.532 3387.26 3389.37 Don't mind . Oh , up here . 3388.71 3388.99 3389.37 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3387.308 3393.072 3387.38 3392.69 List the wrong wrong colour for a few things . Oh , it's all here . Hyper-luminous galaxy . 3390.8 3390.9 3391.51 3392.69 EN2006a A MEE089 0 3394.895 3399.909 3394.98 3399.66 If you're having ultra-loom this early on , then I think you have to have here . 3397.55 3399.66 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3395.931 3396.622 3396.0 3396.49 Yeah . 3396.49 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3397.072 3397.489 3397.11 3397.45 Mm-hmm . 3397.45 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3400.475 3402.384 3400.78 3402.26 This is just a colour issue . 3402.26 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3400.799 3401.647 3400.86 3401.49 Mm . 3401.49 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3402.816 3407.488 3402.85 3407.38 Is it ? Or is it oh , right . And Q_S_O_ is not yeah , you're right . 3403.25 3404.08 3404.75 3406.99 3407.38 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3404.723 3405.048 3404.76 3404.85 Ye - EN2006a B FEE087 1 3408.08 3411.136 3408.1 3411.01 Yeah , they should all be and that one . 3408.31 3411.01 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3409.36 3411.233 3409.36 3411.11 Yep . 3411.11 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3414.448 3418.96 3414.448 3418.81 I_S_M_ . It's diffuse . 3418.13 3418.81 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3420.336 3421.952 3420.36 3421.72 So it probably shouldn't be in there . 3421.72 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3423.824 3426.416 3423.84 3426.38 The I_S_M_ isn't a source type . Is it ? 3426.12 3426.38 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3426.07 3427.633 3426.14 3427.35 Oh . No . 3426.97 3427.35 EN2006a A MEE089 0 3427.44 3428.331 3427.46 3428.19 I don't think so . 3428.19 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3429.993 3432.416 3430.07 3432.3 What we doing about nebula again ? I've forgotten . 3431.11 3432.3 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3432.687 3434.416 3432.79 3434.35 We're now including nebula , aren't we ? 3434.01 3434.35 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3434.241 3435.455 3434.27 3435.41 Okay . Yeah . 3435.21 3435.41 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3438.976 3442.495 3439.03 3442.43 Mm what have we done , features . 3441.64 3442.43 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3441.536 3442.3 3441.56 3442.17 Features . 3442.17 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3448.672 3452.976 3448.73 3452.88 Mm yep . . 3452.88 3452.88 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3449.374 3452.256 3449.39 3452.04 Flat spectrum radio quasars . 3452.04 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3456.736 3458.91 3456.76 3458.72 Strong drop in the continuum . I think you're right there . 3458.08 3458.72 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3459.19 3459.813 3459.28 3459.72 Okay . 3459.72 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3463.447 3463.904 3463.58 3463.74 Nope . 3463.74 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3464.032 3467.744 3464.05 3467.69 I think you're right again . That's just the place . 3465.83 3467.69 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3467.952 3468.327 3468.06 3468.23 Yep . 3468.23 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3473.745 3477.408 3473.745 3477.16 We aren't doing emission line objects . 3477.16 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3479.648 3483.84 3479.67 3483.27 Um we're not doing emission line when it's a modifier of objects , are we ? 3483.01 3483.27 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3483.232 3484.768 3483.27 3484.65 Oh no , we aren't doing that either , you're right . 3483.52 3484.33 3484.65 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3485.52 3490.672 3485.54 3490.54 The question is are emission line objects a separate class of source ? I think they are . 3489.67 3490.54 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3490.976 3494.463 3491.0 3494.33 Mm no . They aren't , are they ? 3493.65 3493.98 3494.33 EN2006a A MEE089 0 3492.832 3496.368 3492.85 3496.25 But t y are you arguing not to have anything with object in it though ? 3496.25 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3495.745 3496.16 3495.8 3496.13 Yeah . 3496.13 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3497.079 3498.256 3497.11 3498.18 Yes , you're right . 3497.75 3498.18 EN2006a A MEE089 0 3498.016 3499.504 3498.16 3499.504 So there goes - EN2006a C FEE088 2 3499.37 3501.674 3499.43 3501.52 Yeah , anything to do with objects . So nothing . 3499.66 3500.68 3501.52 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3501.248 3505.232 3501.29 3505.06 And Seyfert galaxies w should be one , you're right there . 3503.72 3505.06 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3504.411 3504.672 3504.43 3504.59 Yeah . 3504.59 EN2006a C FEE088 2 3508.849 3511.227 3508.92 3511.227 Yes . 3510.62 EN2006a B FEE087 1 3511.824 3513.597 3511.91 3512.91 I got three seventy . 3512.91 EN2006a D MEO086 3 3514.903 3517.149 3515.1 3516.78 That's pretty good , that's nearly a third . 3515.85 3516.78 EN2006a A MEE089 0 3518.784 3521.702 3518.8 3521.56 And you s speed it up as well I think . So 3520.95 EN2006b B FEE087 1 5.04 8.608 5.04 8.608 Smile for the camera . 8.33 EN2006b A MEE089 0 5.015 6.753 5.22 6.6 Great , thank you . Yep . 5.44 6.4 6.6 EN2006b C FEE088 2 5.491 8.509 5.491 8.44 Hello . 8.44 EN2006b D MEO086 3 6.995 7.542 7.05 7.45 Cheers . 7.45 EN2006b C FEE088 2 10.128 11.086 10.38 10.77 Right . 10.77 EN2006b B FEE087 1 12.0 19.664 12.04 19.62 Helium one . I think there should be a break for and . But I think maybe that one should be underlined . 13.4 15.92 19.62 EN2006b C FEE088 2 12.701 14.572 12.73 14.43 Mm mm hmm . 14.43 EN2006b A MEE089 0 14.912 15.92 14.95 15.87 Sorry , mm yep . 15.4 15.87 EN2006b D MEO086 3 15.003 16.292 15.02 16.19 It should be this one here . 16.19 EN2006b C FEE088 2 18.522 23.936 18.75 23.76 Yeah , it's hard to know what that is . That's this is a bit of H_T_M_L_ goo . 19.41 21.21 23.76 EN2006b A MEE089 0 26.848 28.187 26.848 28.02 Yeah . 28.02 EN2006b C FEE088 2 27.04 28.688 27.11 28.55 I think there should be a break for and . 28.55 EN2006b B FEE087 1 27.107 27.689 27.14 27.54 Helium . 27.54 EN2006b C FEE088 2 30.199 32.512 30.199 32.38 And they don't know what to do with the H_T_M_L_ goo . 32.38 EN2006b B FEE087 1 33.856 36.34 33.88 35.7 M_B_D_A_ presumably is lambda . 35.7 EN2006b C FEE088 2 34.352 46.24 34.37 46.1 But this this isn't a s yeah . And this isn't a separate thing , so I w I would agree that you underline the you underline the goo in each case but not the and . Right ? 37.28 38.45 45.9 46.1 EN2006b A MEE089 0 39.023 42.274 39.46 42.05 Uh yes , course , of course it is , yeah . 40.26 40.86 41.79 42.05 EN2006b B FEE087 1 43.408 46.272 43.43 46.04 And the in that case . Yep . 45.68 46.04 EN2006b D MEO086 3 46.208 48.817 46.23 48.71 Do you reckon this stands for lambda or yeah , okay . 48.44 48.71 EN2006b A MEE089 0 47.618 48.316 47.66 48.19 Yeah . 48.19 EN2006b C FEE088 2 47.797 48.305 47.86 48.24 Yeah . 48.24 EN2006b C FEE088 2 50.992 52.372 51.09 52.372 Okay ? 52.28 EN2006b B FEE087 1 51.581 51.955 51.61 51.83 Yep . 51.83 EN2006b B FEE087 1 58.144 64.462 58.17 64.36 Right , what's different ? Just this . High excitation emission lines . 58.52 60.71 62.76 64.36 EN2006b C FEE088 2 59.536 61.968 59.56 61.9 Mm mm-hmm . 61.9 EN2006b C FEE088 2 66.448 68.278 66.5 68.09 Mm . 68.09 EN2006b B FEE087 1 67.792 71.168 67.81 71.168 I think high excitation should be in because it's just saying - EN2006b B FEE087 1 72.976 76.848 73.0 76.8 It's talking about the species that the emission lines are coming from . 76.8 EN2006b C FEE088 2 77.472 78.848 77.64 78.73 Yes . Yeah , yeah . 77.83 78.47 78.73 EN2006b C FEE088 2 83.664 84.064 83.69 83.94 Okay . 83.94 EN2006b C FEE088 2 87.327 88.576 87.327 88.4 Right , you don't get that . 87.71 88.4 EN2006b B FEE087 1 87.333 92.444 87.333 92.444 Living up in nebulosity . 92.28 EN2006b B FEE087 1 93.728 96.552 93.75 96.48 ESO , I don't think is an instrument . 94.48 96.48 EN2006b C FEE088 2 97.215 101.169 97.32 100.99 ESO isn't an instrument . You're right . 100.4 100.99 EN2006b B FEE087 1 99.601 100.352 99.9 100.21 Okay . 100.21 EN2006b C FEE088 2 108.488 111.87 108.52 111.79 We agreed for to keep hubble . Yep . 111.56 111.79 EN2006b B FEE087 1 111.424 116.909 111.49 116.62 To not yes , to keep hubble . Um for this that should be green as well . 112.55 113.59 116.62 EN2006b C FEE088 2 115.352 117.289 115.48 117.19 Yeah , that should be a source type , yeah . 115.71 116.98 117.19 EN2006b C FEE088 2 119.881 120.224 119.95 120.224 It's - EN2006b C FEE088 2 122.032 126.823 122.05 126.75 Yeah , do you think that's part of the name , yeah . I don't yeah , I have no way of knowing , yeah . 122.46 123.67 125.07 125.65 126.49 126.75 EN2006b B FEE087 1 122.098 125.665 122.15 125.665 Well it is the whole name yes , I get 123.98 EN2006b A MEE089 0 125.363 131.237 125.53 131.1 Yeah , I think it all is yeah , I think it is all m one name . Yep . 125.75 126.86 130.9 131.1 EN2006b B FEE087 1 128.384 133.487 128.43 133.33 Absorption line systems shouldn't be there . Absorption line systems . 131.97 133.33 EN2006b C FEE088 2 130.898 131.455 131.08 131.33 Yep . 131.33 EN2006b B FEE087 1 135.805 137.186 135.84 136.75 And again . 136.75 EN2006b C FEE088 2 136.768 137.184 136.88 137.09 Yep . 137.09 EN2006b C FEE088 2 142.123 142.664 142.21 142.5 Right . 142.5 EN2006b B FEE087 1 147.658 153.904 147.76 153.85 Needs column densities , which is a derived property . 152.32 153.85 EN2006b C FEE088 2 154.128 156.485 154.32 156.34 Mm yeah . 156.34 EN2006b A MEE089 0 155.774 161.826 155.82 161.74 Yeah , these are s s species ions again , not individual lines . 156.03 158.77 161.74 EN2006b B FEE087 1 156.124 156.855 156.2 156.855 But then - EN2006b C FEE088 2 158.883 159.984 159.0 159.94 Yep , that's fine . 159.34 159.94 EN2006b B FEE087 1 159.296 159.851 159.34 159.76 Mm-hmm . 159.76 EN2006b B FEE087 1 164.784 166.772 164.8 166.7 And Lyman alpha cloud shouldn't be in there either . 166.7 EN2006b C FEE088 2 166.894 167.245 166.99 167.17 Nope . 167.17 EN2006b B FEE087 1 169.408 170.704 170.18 170.704 Right . 170.65 EN2006b B FEE087 1 174.464 183.8 174.6 183.41 No . For some reason I seem to have just died on this one . He got bored . 174.99 182.24 183.41 EN2006b C FEE088 2 176.299 183.254 176.299 183.254 I win . Uh 181.51 EN2006b B FEE087 1 186.485 187.528 186.53 187.46 You're right there . 187.46 EN2006b C FEE088 2 187.634 188.216 187.8 188.17 Okay . 188.17 EN2006b D MEO086 3 188.56 196.368 188.68 196.368 I forgot to keep track of the overall score , like who wins and who lose . 190.34 195.97 EN2006b A MEE089 0 190.496 194.224 190.496 194.224 It's not a competition . Uh 193.33 EN2006b C FEE088 2 190.892 199.38 190.892 199.3 Yeah , I know . Is there a prize at the end ? Bottle of champagne . Um okay . 191.76 192.37 194.15 196.25 199.3 EN2006b B FEE087 1 190.746 194.53 191.05 194.53 Yes . 194.09 EN2006b B FEE087 1 197.392 198.692 197.41 198.57 I've labelled that wrong . 198.57 EN2006b B FEE087 1 201.824 203.137 201.94 202.69 And here again . 202.69 EN2006b A MEE089 0 207.548 208.464 207.62 208.42 Yeah , and this one . 207.89 208.42 EN2006b C FEE088 2 208.784 211.565 208.82 211.46 Mm that's a spectral feature , that's okay . 210.78 211.46 EN2006b B FEE087 1 209.84 215.459 209.86 215.26 Um it is . But is emission line A_G_N_ a separate class from A_G_N_ ? 211.49 215.26 EN2006b A MEE089 0 216.283 217.073 216.39 217.073 Um - EN2006b C FEE088 2 216.24 218.723 216.52 218.6 Ye - EN2006b B FEE087 1 218.236 219.907 218.27 219.907 I don't think it is . I think A_G_N_ 219.02 EN2006b C FEE088 2 221.712 226.272 221.84 226.24 Emission line A_G_N_ . You can get A_G_N_ without emission lines . 224.24 226.24 EN2006b B FEE087 1 223.824 224.758 223.84 224.758 You wouldn't talk about - EN2006b B FEE087 1 226.313 231.088 226.36 231.04 But I don't think you'd particularly class them as a separate source . A separate source class . 228.89 231.04 EN2006b C FEE088 2 232.48 240.153 232.8 240.09 I think in Phil's paper he does , doesn't he ? The paper I pointed you to a few weeks ago or last week . 235.35 237.43 240.09 EN2006b B FEE087 1 233.952 234.727 233.97 234.68 Maybe you would . 234.68 EN2006b B FEE087 1 240.272 243.057 240.32 242.89 Mm , I didn't it , I just looked at the plu 241.23 242.24 EN2006b C FEE088 2 241.744 248.944 241.77 248.91 I didn't know what he meant , but yes . I've seen people talk about them as separate classes , but I don't really know what that means . 242.67 244.01 247.32 248.91 EN2006b B FEE087 1 248.829 262.608 248.87 262.608 And I guess there is a difference between uh an A_G_N_ with emission lines and one without , esp especially if it's X_ ray detected . So yeah , I'm happy with that as long as that's red as well , which it is . Um 252.11 254.95 256.57 259.86 261.43 EN2006b C FEE088 2 254.224 254.68 254.24 254.59 Yeah . 254.59 EN2006b A MEE089 0 257.44 257.809 257.48 257.71 Mm-hmm . 257.71 EN2006b C FEE088 2 259.728 260.05 259.75 259.96 Yep . 259.96 EN2006b C FEE088 2 265.6 267.715 265.6 267.65 Oh . 267.65 EN2006b B FEE087 1 266.22 268.352 266.35 268.09 No . Oh , galactic stars . 266.91 267.04 268.09 EN2006b B FEE087 1 271.152 272.85 271.17 272.58 I think you're r you're right again there . 272.58 EN2006b C FEE088 2 274.496 275.271 274.52 275.21 Mm 'kay . 275.21 EN2006b C FEE088 2 277.568 284.286 277.59 284.286 Yeah , that G_ dwarfs are things , aren't they ? That's alright , yeah . 278.05 280.16 280.95 281.66 283.24 EN2006b B FEE087 1 277.722 284.669 277.79 284.669 G_ dwarf . Presumably . Never met one , but don't know what it is . 280.5 281.09 281.75 284.31 EN2006b A MEE089 0 281.952 282.288 281.97 282.24 Yeah . 282.24 EN2006b A MEE089 0 283.968 290.82 283.99 290.5 Well it's one of them out um over here I think actually at the moment . So 'cause our sun is a is a T_ dwarf . 287.26 290.5 EN2006b B FEE087 1 286.639 292.327 286.639 292.18 Right . Oh , is it ? There you go . . 289.43 289.99 290.59 292.18 292.18 EN2006b C FEE088 2 291.212 297.696 291.27 297.696 I saw it yesterday . Uh yeah . 293.79 297.52 EN2006b B FEE087 1 294.452 295.608 294.5 295.52 And cluster , you're right . 295.12 295.52 EN2006b B FEE087 1 299.248 300.563 299.27 300.563 Absorption - EN2006b C FEE088 2 299.256 299.938 299.29 299.85 There he is . 299.85 EN2006b C FEE088 2 301.651 304.989 301.75 304.95 By Lyman alpha forest and Lyman limit systems . 304.95 EN2006b B FEE087 1 303.392 306.912 303.46 306.81 But it's the same Lyman alpha forest systems again . So you're right there . 305.51 306.81 EN2006b C FEE088 2 308.4 309.134 308.42 309.07 Yeah , okay . 308.79 309.07 EN2006b B FEE087 1 310.395 312.917 310.51 312.78 Or there maybe there shouldn't be any yeah , I think should still be absorption . 311.7 312.78 EN2006b C FEE088 2 312.32 312.855 312.37 312.81 Yeah . 312.81 EN2006b B FEE087 1 317.152 319.552 317.2 319.43 Radio loud quasar again . You're right . 319.03 319.43 EN2006b C FEE088 2 319.008 320.207 319.05 320.207 Mm-hmm . 320.15 EN2006b C FEE088 2 321.911 328.453 321.97 328.27 Emission models , definitely not . Um why associated ? 322.78 324.99 328.27 EN2006b B FEE087 1 326.112 337.648 326.25 337.5 I should definitely now we had a debate about this before , and I can't remember why I decided to mark associated . Um what does it mean ? 331.76 335.51 337.5 EN2006b A MEE089 0 331.858 332.34 331.95 332.31 Mm-hmm . 332.31 EN2006b C FEE088 2 336.451 337.1 336.48 336.96 Yeah . 336.96 EN2006b C FEE088 2 338.64 345.994 338.66 345.89 It means it's associated with some physical thing , but it doesn't have anything to do with the spectral features , I don't think . Does it ? 342.77 344.62 345.62 345.89 EN2006b A MEE089 0 346.776 348.64 346.776 348.64 Uh - EN2006b B FEE087 1 347.28 349.488 347.38 349.43 What is as associated absorption ? 349.43 EN2006b B FEE087 1 350.864 352.653 350.88 352.41 Doesn't say it's associated with what . 352.41 EN2006b A MEE089 0 351.135 352.798 351.29 352.68 Well it's a process though , isn't it . 352.18 352.68 EN2006b A MEE089 0 356.88 357.85 356.9 357.68 Isn't it a process ? 357.68 EN2006b B FEE087 1 357.76 360.448 357.92 360.35 I don't know . I've got no idea what it means . 359.09 360.35 EN2006b C FEE088 2 358.752 359.056 358.77 359.01 Mm-hmm . 359.01 EN2006b C FEE088 2 360.866 371.813 360.95 371.7 I'm happy to say M_ two what-not absorption is a spectral feature . But associated means it's associated to some physical thing . So yeah . So that shouldn't be in . 364.86 370.11 370.97 371.7 EN2006b A MEE089 0 364.355 365.037 364.42 364.94 Yeah . 364.94 EN2006b B FEE087 1 364.474 365.023 364.55 364.88 Yeah . 364.88 EN2006b A MEE089 0 368.144 371.111 368.16 371.0 Yeah . Yeah . I wouldn't have that . 369.59 370.15 371.0 EN2006b B FEE087 1 370.197 376.118 370.31 375.89 Right , okay . So is that what it means in that c context ? Right . Um and associated again . 370.53 370.82 372.37 373.83 375.89 EN2006b C FEE088 2 374.336 374.8 374.36 374.66 Alright . 374.66 EN2006b C FEE088 2 376.162 376.478 376.19 376.44 Yep . 376.44 EN2006b C FEE088 2 382.8 386.736 382.82 386.69 Those are mechanisms . So they don't count . Don't think . 384.44 385.37 386.69 EN2006b B FEE087 1 383.68 384.907 383.71 384.78 Mechanisms . 384.78 EN2006b C FEE088 2 389.2 390.768 389.23 390.768 Um - EN2006b C FEE088 2 393.821 395.12 393.89 394.97 Yep , I just missed it . 394.26 394.97 EN2006b B FEE087 1 393.84 394.542 393.92 394.42 Quasar . 394.42 EN2006b C FEE088 2 396.928 397.55 396.95 397.34 And that's it . 397.34 EN2006b B FEE087 1 397.28 401.328 397.3 401.328 And we should've s put emission line features , shouldn't we ? 399.44 401.0 EN2006b C FEE088 2 400.32 402.202 400.35 402.05 Hmm ? Yeah , we should do . 401.47 401.71 402.05 EN2006b B FEE087 1 403.632 406.32 403.77 406.32 But we're not supposed to mark things we've done differently . So 405.77 EN2006b C FEE088 2 406.704 411.171 406.72 410.88 Yeah , we did that the same . But it's different from what we've been doing . 407.2 409.02 410.88 EN2006b B FEE087 1 410.832 413.528 410.86 413.44 We've just talked about n und underlining features . 413.44 EN2006b A MEE089 0 411.936 419.819 411.97 419.7 Well I think y bu y y you can actually mark it if it isn't altering what's in the manual . Uh um it's only altering earlier rules . 417.24 419.7 EN2006b C FEE088 2 418.536 418.91 418.61 418.85 Yeah . 418.85 EN2006b C FEE088 2 421.008 422.995 421.03 422.9 Yeah , and it's not in the manual , is it ? 421.42 422.65 422.9 EN2006b A MEE089 0 422.224 423.232 422.24 423.08 That aren't allowed . 423.08 EN2006b B FEE087 1 423.152 428.066 423.59 427.9 It doesn't say in the manual about features or not , but we d when we saw ones previously , we marked features . 425.16 426.97 427.9 EN2006b A MEE089 0 427.936 429.728 427.96 429.69 Yeah , then then do , I think . 428.39 429.31 429.69 EN2006b C FEE088 2 428.095 431.392 428.14 431.24 Yeah . So let's do that . Extend . 428.89 430.56 431.24 EN2006b D MEO086 3 428.784 429.271 428.86 429.14 Mm-hmm . 429.14 EN2006b B FEE087 1 430.108 439.658 430.22 439.58 Um yes . The only problem , it's done if we've both been not marking it , there might be other instances in the text where it's not marked . 432.4 433.06 436.68 439.58 EN2006b A MEE089 0 431.504 431.824 431.52 431.79 Yeah . 431.79 EN2006b A MEE089 0 436.496 436.92 436.53 436.89 Yeah . 436.89 EN2006b A MEE089 0 440.033 444.066 440.35 443.94 Y yeah , yeah , but yeah . 441.41 442.03 443.94 EN2006b D MEO086 3 441.984 454.828 441.984 454.63 Well , w within the sentence that you sort of currently looking at um feel free to correct it that way that you'll do you know like it's not only about resolution but it's sort of like coming up with a corrected version based on these , yeah . 443.07 454.43 454.63 EN2006b B FEE087 1 447.92 448.464 447.96 448.41 Mm-hmm . 448.41 EN2006b B FEE087 1 453.216 454.752 453.29 454.69 Right , okay . Yeah . 453.57 454.25 454.69 EN2006b C FEE088 2 453.272 453.721 453.29 453.63 Mm-hmm . 453.63 EN2006b C FEE088 2 454.928 455.317 454.928 455.23 Okay . 455.23 EN2006b D MEO086 3 458.4 462.91 458.42 462.84 Have you do you've seen that there are the other one there , the quasar , right ? The uh right , sorry . 460.69 461.19 461.39 462.56 462.84 EN2006b B FEE087 1 461.618 468.944 461.88 468.9 Yes , we've got quasars . And this is exactly the same as last one . 462.27 466.65 468.9 EN2006b C FEE088 2 462.261 462.552 462.29 462.46 Yeah . 462.46 EN2006b B FEE087 1 470.192 471.168 470.192 471.06 systems . 471.06 EN2006b C FEE088 2 471.2 471.888 471.23 471.78 Yep . 471.78 EN2006b B FEE087 1 473.456 475.904 473.81 475.904 I_M_ galaxies . 475.86 EN2006b C FEE088 2 475.455 477.335 475.63 476.97 It's a kind of a regular galaxy ? 476.97 EN2006b A MEE089 0 476.716 477.581 476.85 477.46 Yeah . 477.46 EN2006b B FEE087 1 477.456 478.819 477.48 478.819 Is it ? Okay . 477.76 478.71 EN2006b C FEE088 2 487.936 488.576 487.98 488.5 Mm-hmm . 488.5 EN2006b A MEE089 0 488.563 489.92 488.66 489.89 Just a p what are you doing there there , sorry ? 489.75 489.89 EN2006b B FEE087 1 489.84 494.416 489.86 494.28 Hubble deep fields is being marked . And absorption shouldn't be marked , yep . 492.19 494.17 494.28 EN2006b A MEE089 0 492.168 495.344 492.24 495.25 Yep . Isn't remote . Yeah , fine . 493.38 494.18 494.71 495.25 EN2006b C FEE088 2 494.16 494.528 494.18 494.38 Yeah . 494.38 EN2006b B FEE087 1 499.264 503.536 499.28 503.48 I don't think able cluster is different from cluster . Hmm . 501.4 503.48 EN2006b A MEE089 0 504.2 511.386 504.22 511.27 Um yeah , that's actually marked ex explicitly in here not to have A_ bar clusters . So yeah . 506.37 510.79 511.27 EN2006b B FEE087 1 505.472 508.096 505.5 508.096 An able cluster is just a a discover - EN2006b C FEE088 2 509.128 510.624 509.25 510.45 Ri right . 510.45 EN2006b B FEE087 1 509.888 510.672 509.91 510.55 Yeah . 510.55 EN2006b B FEE087 1 514.352 518.109 514.37 518.109 Soft excess . 518.01 EN2006b C FEE088 2 515.575 517.248 515.65 517.12 That definitely gets to go in . 517.12 EN2006b C FEE088 2 519.68 528.388 519.7 528.07 That's not a component . I think . Yeah , we could come to blows over soft excess . 521.59 525.86 526.18 528.07 EN2006b A MEE089 0 520.592 524.197 520.72 524.04 No , I I'm I'm not arguing . I agree , yeah . 521.01 522.23 523.56 524.04 EN2006b B FEE087 1 521.144 523.939 521.26 523.78 Yep , okay , we can have soft excess . Mm-hmm . 521.58 522.28 523.29 523.78 EN2006b B FEE087 1 526.41 530.528 526.48 530.42 And yes , you're wrong 'cause that's you're right 'cause that's extended emission and Compton emission . 527.24 530.42 EN2006b C FEE088 2 530.784 531.232 530.84 531.17 Okay . 531.17 EN2006b B FEE087 1 531.744 532.989 531.8 532.87 I think you're right on both of them . 532.87 EN2006b C FEE088 2 533.952 534.391 533.97 534.31 Yeah . 534.31 EN2006b C FEE088 2 535.856 537.407 535.94 537.407 Okay . 537.05 EN2006b B FEE087 1 544.384 554.021 544.49 554.021 Um X_ ray B_L_X_ and radio B_L_X_ I think are because the B_L_ within should be marked , So 553.31 EN2006b C FEE088 2 552.48 554.885 552.5 554.8 Yeah . I agree . That's fine . 552.99 554.03 554.8 EN2006b A MEE089 0 556.207 557.105 556.33 557.01 Do you want this one here ? 557.01 EN2006b D MEO086 3 557.36 557.754 557.4 557.63 Mm-hmm . 557.63 EN2006b C FEE088 2 557.579 557.945 557.61 557.83 No . 557.83 EN2006b A MEE089 0 560.08 563.042 560.12 562.95 No ? Conti continuum . No , okay . 560.87 562.4 562.76 562.95 EN2006b C FEE088 2 561.36 564.238 561.4 564.09 No , for continuum . Um . 561.69 562.83 564.09 EN2006b B FEE087 1 561.365 562.408 561.48 562.27 No continuum . 562.27 EN2006b B FEE087 1 565.904 567.29 565.94 567.26 C_O_ luminosity . 567.26 EN2006b A MEE089 0 571.071 573.376 571.09 573.25 I think that's a s species again . 573.25 EN2006b C FEE088 2 573.296 574.192 573.35 574.16 Yeah , that's fine . 573.65 574.16 EN2006b B FEE087 1 573.536 574.048 573.57 574.01 Mm-hmm . 574.01 EN2006b B FEE087 1 577.184 578.56 577.62 578.52 Oh it's still too hot . 578.52 EN2006b C FEE088 2 579.368 581.225 579.42 581.15 Uh I can agree with taking that out . 581.15 EN2006b B FEE087 1 584.64 585.312 584.66 585.312 Um - EN2006b B FEE087 1 588.304 592.88 588.304 592.75 Intermediate is a region . 592.75 EN2006b C FEE088 2 594.048 601.919 594.24 601.83 That the so-called yeah , I don't think it should be , should it ? 'Cause it's a region , yeah . 598.58 599.8 600.56 601.62 601.83 EN2006b B FEE087 1 595.36 598.24 595.36 598.18 It shouldn't be highlighted , you're right . 597.42 598.18 EN2006b B FEE087 1 599.776 609.569 599.8 609.569 Because if if we talk about the broad line region , we're not supposed to highlight it . It's the same , it's just it's not very clear before the so-called 602.01 603.81 604.31 EN2006b C FEE088 2 603.6 603.906 603.62 603.83 Yep . 603.83 EN2006b C FEE088 2 605.536 607.211 605.56 607.08 Yeah , it's badly written . 605.95 607.08 EN2006b B FEE087 1 609.569 612.975 609.569 609.569 . 609.569 EN2006b C FEE088 2 611.365 615.48 611.54 615.48 Infrared galaxies . We said not to mark things based solely on 612.64 EN2006b B FEE087 1 612.975 613.94 613.06 613.94 Um - EN2006b C FEE088 2 618.16 621.63 618.18 621.56 So it's just defined only by wave-length . So we can't include infrared galaxies . 619.87 621.56 EN2006b B FEE087 1 621.36 622.522 621.38 622.38 Yeah , just galaxies . 621.68 622.38 EN2006b C FEE088 2 625.68 626.624 625.71 626.46 And - EN2006b B FEE087 1 628.144 630.385 628.18 630.03 Star bursts . Yes , they do . 629.44 629.76 630.03 EN2006b C FEE088 2 628.192 630.621 628.21 630.51 star bursts count , surely . 629.99 630.51 EN2006b B FEE087 1 632.096 639.488 632.5 639.45 Oh . Yes , assuming you're talking about star burst galaxies rather than star burst within a galaxy . But they are talking about star burst galaxies . 633.23 633.49 637.99 639.45 EN2006b C FEE088 2 637.888 639.819 637.92 639.73 Mm yes , yeah , they are . 638.95 639.49 639.73 EN2006b B FEE087 1 643.289 644.42 643.5 644.18 And galaxies . 644.18 EN2006b C FEE088 2 643.985 645.041 644.13 644.8 Galaxies . 644.8 EN2006b B FEE087 1 648.384 650.848 648.43 650.74 Mm continua or continuum flux . 650.74 EN2006b C FEE088 2 648.836 649.535 648.86 649.41 Mm . 649.41 EN2006b B FEE087 1 652.416 657.46 652.44 657.16 It's another one of those that doesn't really make a big difference . But what did we decide ? 656.41 657.16 EN2006b C FEE088 2 654.069 663.109 654.12 662.97 It doesn't really matter . I'd say continuum flux but I don't Obviously . But I don't care . Yep , okay . 656.42 659.56 661.89 662.64 662.97 EN2006b B FEE087 1 659.344 662.688 659.36 662.57 Let's keep flux in because it in most of these cases we've put flux in . 662.57 EN2006b A MEE089 0 661.968 663.328 661.99 663.24 Yeah , I think you have . 662.61 663.24 EN2006b B FEE087 1 664.832 667.043 664.832 666.81 And the same as feature . 666.81 EN2006b C FEE088 2 665.83 666.554 665.94 666.42 Mm-hmm . 666.42 EN2006b C FEE088 2 668.709 675.648 668.8 675.648 Mm no , I'm happy to take that out . Oh . 670.42 672.99 675.54 EN2006b B FEE087 1 668.72 669.88 668.82 669.79 Broad line . 669.79 EN2006b B FEE087 1 671.952 685.232 672.01 685.06 I was gonna say put it in . Um The lack of broad line polarization . Broad line polarization , is that a spectral feature ? I think you'd want the whole thing in some extent . 672.99 679.17 681.38 683.2 685.06 EN2006b C FEE088 2 686.08 691.968 686.62 691.968 Mm no you can't point to it . 691.4 EN2006b B FEE087 1 687.808 690.4 688.05 690.0 Ts you can't get it just from a spectrum . 690.0 EN2006b B FEE087 1 691.936 695.982 692.04 695.982 But you can if you've got a spectrum that's split by polarized light . 695.81 EN2006b C FEE088 2 694.608 695.231 694.63 695.09 Yeah . 695.09 EN2006b A MEE089 0 696.512 702.835 696.6 702.835 Yeah . Well n I think I would actually leave it um with only th on those 698.03 EN2006b C FEE088 2 697.2 697.673 697.22 697.55 Yeah . 697.55 EN2006b B FEE087 1 701.512 702.351 701.59 702.25 As it is . 702.25 EN2006b A MEE089 0 705.28 706.533 705.3 706.38 Br broad l - EN2006b A MEE089 0 709.616 712.882 709.64 712.77 Line in it . Um because I think that's s what you have been doing earlier on . 710.76 712.77 EN2006b B FEE087 1 711.24 714.079 711.39 713.83 Polarization's a property . Yes , okay . 712.79 713.51 713.83 EN2006b C FEE088 2 713.715 714.106 713.79 714.03 Okay . 714.03 EN2006b A MEE089 0 714.352 716.192 714.37 716.08 Yeah ? Yeah ? 715.85 716.08 EN2006b B FEE087 1 716.2 716.79 716.2 716.7 Yep . 716.7 EN2006b C FEE088 2 716.787 718.908 716.86 718.908 Okay . 718.6 EN2006b B FEE087 1 718.86 724.175 718.98 723.91 Now I d don't know what was marked here . Have you got the bottom of this page ? Or is it cut off ? 721.03 723.21 723.91 EN2006b C FEE088 2 721.573 722.263 721.65 722.15 Mm . 722.15 EN2006b A MEE089 0 723.247 724.028 723.247 723.83 No . 723.83 EN2006b D MEO086 3 723.602 724.492 723.66 724.41 Oops , no . 724.16 724.41 EN2006b C FEE088 2 723.831 732.979 723.96 732.75 Uh we're missing weak weak line.I don't oh y so they're saying weak line radio galaxies are a separate class of radio galaxy . 732.75 EN2006b B FEE087 1 733.2 745.22 733.22 745.07 No . I said that weak line was . Because the modifier should be included , which I think it should . Even though we claim radio galaxies i this should be underlined . This should be green . 735.06 737.8 739.25 741.39 744.54 745.07 EN2006b C FEE088 2 746.448 747.491 746.47 747.32 Okay , yeah . 746.93 747.32 EN2006b D MEO086 3 746.543 756.856 746.64 756.856 Or actu actually sorry , I think um the um this cut up page continues in the next side . Yeah . Characterised by unusually 747.45 754.12 754.96 EN2006b B FEE087 1 751.888 755.04 751.91 754.93 Oh right , okay . Are we the same on the bottom line ? 752.22 752.77 754.93 EN2006b C FEE088 2 752.314 752.779 752.42 752.71 Okay . 752.71 EN2006b C FEE088 2 755.033 755.473 755.13 755.37 Right . 755.37 EN2006b B FEE087 1 756.256 766.744 756.256 766.64 Okay , so the question is oh no , it's different . Oh I've got line , that's fine . Line comes out and and should come out as well . 758.24 760.25 760.86 762.87 764.3 766.64 EN2006b C FEE088 2 759.184 762.005 759.25 761.87 Oh . Yeah no , you've got line in there . 760.38 761.0 761.87 EN2006b D MEO086 3 759.504 760.186 759.58 760.08 No , is it ? 759.84 760.08 EN2006b A MEE089 0 761.252 763.921 761.34 763.78 The difference only weak line , isn't it ? 763.49 763.78 EN2006b C FEE088 2 763.637 763.935 763.66 763.85 M - EN2006b C FEE088 2 767.104 768.16 767.18 768.07 And should come out . 768.07 EN2006b A MEE089 0 768.505 771.365 768.56 771.3 Oh yeah . There's a line there as well . It's different . 769.63 770.74 771.3 EN2006b B FEE087 1 769.456 772.42 769.48 771.95 So there's a right but I think weak line should be in . 771.95 EN2006b D MEO086 3 771.411 772.026 771.46 771.89 Hmm . 771.89 EN2006b A MEE089 0 772.8 775.137 772.82 775.03 And an and . Different as well . 774.41 775.03 EN2006b C FEE088 2 773.696 774.519 773.77 774.35 Okay , mm-hmm . 774.06 774.35 EN2006b B FEE087 1 774.549 776.792 774.58 776.6 Bec i in the same way that if you had broad line it would be in there . 776.6 EN2006b D MEO086 3 775.036 775.369 775.12 775.3 Yeah . 775.3 EN2006b C FEE088 2 776.204 777.377 776.31 777.33 Yep , that's okay . 776.82 777.33 EN2006b B FEE087 1 780.096 780.538 780.16 780.42 Right . 780.42 EN2006b C FEE088 2 783.024 787.007 783.024 786.92 Galactic black hole candidates . 786.92 EN2006b A MEE089 0 789.371 797.419 789.371 797.21 They just made that up . That's yeah , exactly . That's not a source type . 791.29 793.91 795.91 797.21 EN2006b B FEE087 1 790.315 795.229 790.315 794.72 Yes . 794.72 EN2006b C FEE088 2 790.752 794.086 790.752 793.38 Yeah . 793.38 EN2006b D MEO086 3 792.24 796.16 792.26 796.16 And give it an acronym . G_B_H_C_ , ooh . 793.36 794.57 795.96 EN2006b C FEE088 2 796.848 798.793 796.96 798.6 Yeah , I don't think that's a source type . 797.64 798.6 EN2006b B FEE087 1 797.792 798.608 797.792 798.56 Mm okay . 798.56 EN2006b B FEE087 1 808.375 810.047 808.51 809.72 Um line again . 809.72 EN2006b C FEE088 2 811.792 813.122 811.82 813.02 Mm mm-hmm . 813.02 EN2006b B FEE087 1 812.912 820.558 813.0 820.3 But we've got emission line in the ratios . That's fine . Infrared galaxies . That's right again . Oh no , is it ? No , it's wrong . Yeah . 814.98 816.02 817.67 818.85 819.03 819.35 819.43 820.06 820.3 EN2006b C FEE088 2 817.44 817.822 817.46 817.75 Yep . 817.75 EN2006b C FEE088 2 818.894 820.763 819.14 820.64 No , it's not right . Right . 819.4 820.44 820.64 EN2006b B FEE087 1 822.32 823.003 822.49 822.82 I'll get this . 822.82 EN2006b C FEE088 2 826.768 830.209 826.89 830.12 Uh line emitting gas I don't like , yeah . 829.89 830.12 EN2006b B FEE087 1 827.623 828.43 827.72 828.11 Line . 828.11 EN2006b C FEE088 2 833.424 835.6 833.54 835.45 Far infrared galaxies we can't have . 835.45 EN2006b B FEE087 1 837.888 840.895 838.01 840.895 And that's it . 840.78 EN2006b C FEE088 2 838.297 839.345 838.43 839.29 That's okay . 839.29 EN2006b B FEE087 1 842.458 846.576 842.6 846.45 Making emission feature , which we're including now . 845.24 846.45 EN2006b C FEE088 2 845.417 846.914 845.45 846.84 Yeah , that's okay . 846.11 846.84 EN2006b C FEE088 2 848.203 852.272 848.26 852.24 Damped Lyman alpha absorption the same . Right , yep . Emission feature . 850.16 850.41 851.06 852.24 EN2006b B FEE087 1 852.736 853.328 852.77 853.28 Mm-hmm . 853.28 EN2006b C FEE088 2 855.24 857.68 855.24 857.38 Yeah , that can't be in . 856.65 857.38 EN2006b B FEE087 1 855.732 857.279 855.82 857.279 Star forming galaxies - EN2006b B FEE087 1 858.528 862.72 858.55 862.59 No , we can't . Star forming galaxies should be in . 858.85 860.54 862.59 EN2006b C FEE088 2 859.101 859.437 859.12 859.25 Yep . 859.25 EN2006b C FEE088 2 863.392 867.551 863.53 867.43 Uh yes , it should be . Yep , that should be in . 865.11 866.27 866.92 867.43 EN2006b A MEE089 0 865.107 866.944 865.19 866.944 That's we did earlier anyway . So 866.44 EN2006b B FEE087 1 866.352 877.136 866.37 877.06 Yeah . Proto-galactic lump . W Not gonna get away with that one . It's a lump . It's something . Emission feature again . 867.27 870.9 874.02 875.05 875.97 877.06 EN2006b A MEE089 0 868.646 871.557 868.98 871.46 No , they just made that up as well . No . 869.28 870.93 871.46 EN2006b C FEE088 2 869.326 871.325 869.43 870.99 That is not a source type . 870.99 EN2006b C FEE088 2 872.512 880.216 872.53 880.12 What were you thinking ? Yeah . Dibulae absorption . 877.13 878.42 880.12 EN2006b B FEE087 1 878.843 879.542 878.94 879.542 Damp Lyman - EN2006b B FEE087 1 881.04 886.195 881.1 886.0 That should be because it's not an absorber , it's an absorption . Oh , covers , yeah . 882.69 884.66 884.79 885.59 886.0 EN2006b C FEE088 2 883.608 887.568 883.7 887.51 No , but it says it covers a significantly small angular size . It's a physical thing . 884.04 886.67 887.51 EN2006b A MEE089 0 884.432 885.583 884.5 885.41 That's a process though . 885.41 EN2006b A MEE089 0 887.456 889.472 887.53 889.44 Yeah , it's a process or a source . 887.71 889.44 EN2006b A MEE089 0 892.08 892.912 892.4 892.74 I'm sorry . 892.74 EN2006b B FEE087 1 892.903 896.622 893.01 896.5 Yeah , you cross 'em out . Features . 893.35 895.96 896.5 EN2006b D MEO086 3 893.83 894.959 893.83 894.89 get this out of the way . 894.89 EN2006b C FEE088 2 896.536 901.76 896.62 901.73 Yep . Uh this feature . Yeah , okay . 898.51 901.11 901.35 901.73 EN2006b B FEE087 1 899.216 900.31 899.24 900.02 A feature again . 900.02 EN2006b B FEE087 1 904.295 909.568 904.36 909.29 Is a feature a spectral feature . damped Lyman alphas again . 907.98 909.29 EN2006b C FEE088 2 905.84 911.497 905.84 911.34 Alpha . Yeah , you don't get that . Do you ? 909.64 909.87 910.64 911.34 EN2006b C FEE088 2 912.77 916.636 912.83 916.53 Those are those are regions , globs , nebulae . 914.89 916.14 916.53 EN2006b B FEE087 1 915.488 916.012 915.51 915.79 Yeah . 915.79 EN2006b B FEE087 1 919.975 922.464 919.975 922.4 after and the rest is the same . 922.4 EN2006b C FEE088 2 922.224 923.847 922.24 923.847 Yep . 923.79 EN2006b B FEE087 1 925.378 926.742 925.47 926.58 Now a line should be in . 926.58 EN2006b C FEE088 2 926.509 926.926 926.64 926.88 Yeah . 926.88 EN2006b B FEE087 1 933.221 934.427 933.3 934.39 X_ ray B_ L_ . 934.39 EN2006b C FEE088 2 933.424 936.137 933.44 936.0 X_ ray B_L_ lax . Yep , that's okay . 934.96 935.3 936.0 EN2006b B FEE087 1 938.688 939.688 938.71 939.55 Intermediate . 939.55 EN2006b C FEE088 2 938.676 940.848 938.76 940.68 Intermediate types . It now if we're d 940.01 EN2006b B FEE087 1 940.88 945.504 940.9 945.3 We put in type type one point nine . Yes , I think it should be in . 944.05 944.52 945.3 EN2006b C FEE088 2 942.704 946.026 942.72 945.93 Did we in the end ? Yeah ? Oh right . You get it then . 943.5 944.36 945.27 945.93 EN2006b A MEE089 0 943.776 944.514 943.8 944.4 Yeah . 944.4 EN2006b C FEE088 2 951.872 954.304 951.89 954.16 That doesn't go in and that's okay . 954.16 EN2006b B FEE087 1 954.24 959.52 954.64 959.33 Mm-hmm . Oh gosh , this looks complicated . Oh it's just it's Lyman alpha absorption . 955.39 955.81 957.23 959.33 EN2006b C FEE088 2 955.456 959.413 955.456 959.36 Right , that's okay . We don't like systems . 957.08 957.95 959.36 EN2006b B FEE087 1 962.784 964.329 962.8 963.93 And we don't like that one . 963.93 EN2006b B FEE087 1 967.248 968.526 967.27 968.42 And we don't like that one . 968.42 EN2006b C FEE088 2 975.424 976.362 975.44 976.26 Yeah , that's okay . 975.7 976.26 EN2006b A MEE089 0 980.64 987.167 980.66 987.13 Well hang on though . But wasn't there one just a minute ago in which only had a line ? 981.23 987.13 EN2006b B FEE087 1 987.308 990.96 987.36 990.78 Yes we are taking out line on its own . So we ha yes . 989.66 990.78 EN2006b C FEE088 2 989.388 989.712 989.41 989.57 Are we ? 989.57 EN2006b A MEE089 0 990.88 991.792 990.9 991.792 But you just - EN2006b C FEE088 2 991.164 992.161 991.36 992.01 Okay , yep . 991.84 992.01 EN2006b B FEE087 1 993.36 994.3 993.42 994.3 Every time - EN2006b A MEE089 0 994.928 998.53 994.95 998.53 Keeping lines there . So 997.8 EN2006b B FEE087 1 997.396 1004.016 997.45 1003.96 Yes , I think we have to take in general every time there's been line where's there been line ? 997.82 1003.96 EN2006b C FEE088 2 998.938 999.888 998.96 999.77 What line are we taking out ? 999.77 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1007.04 1014.234 1007.1 1013.84 Okay , it's line width , but it's st it's still where it says lines . Have we had any just where it says line ratios ? 1007.27 1008.12 1010.79 1013.84 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1007.391 1008.848 1007.41 1008.8 Line width , yeah . 1008.5 1008.8 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1012.512 1016.422 1012.54 1016.28 Line ratios . We've been taking out line as a 1013.8 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1016.928 1017.664 1017.0 1017.53 Mm . 1017.53 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1018.496 1026.539 1018.52 1026.44 word that relates to other words . My head is going yeah . But lines are still lines . Yeah , that's okay . 1020.82 1022.61 1025.33 1025.94 1026.44 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1020.11 1027.998 1020.2 1027.83 Adjective . Uh yes . Right . Okay , okay . Okay . Yeah , okay , fine . 1020.94 1022.87 1024.43 1024.99 1025.97 1026.96 1027.23 1027.58 1027.83 EN2006b D MEO086 3 1025.345 1025.867 1025.37 1025.76 Hmm . 1025.76 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1025.408 1027.131 1025.43 1026.8 Yes , I think you're right . 1025.8 1026.8 EN2006b D MEO086 3 1026.911 1027.525 1027.0 1027.43 Mm-hmm . 1027.43 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1032.16 1035.513 1032.2 1035.42 Right , I agree that that can go out 'cause that's a fitting thing . 1032.72 1035.42 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1039.914 1041.452 1040.14 1041.28 No . We want the whole thing in there . 1040.27 1041.28 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1040.732 1043.744 1041.22 1043.7 Absorption features in the U_V_ spectra . 1043.7 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1043.84 1051.296 1043.86 1051.15 Or in the U_V_ . I don't think spectrum should be there . But if it's a wave length or a wave band we were putting it in . 1044.82 1046.49 1051.15 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1051.008 1051.456 1051.03 1051.42 Okay . 1051.42 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1053.226 1060.37 1053.25 1060.01 It's likely one spectrum in the U_V_ which you can see absorption features in . Uh Right . Quasars quasars . 1057.55 1059.25 1060.01 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1053.312 1053.907 1053.33 1053.76 Yeah . 1053.76 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1057.28 1058.064 1057.3 1057.96 Yeah . 1057.96 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1062.591 1068.08 1063.63 1068.04 Uh-huh . Yeah , I'm right . And here I think I'm right again . 1064.7 1064.98 1066.58 1068.04 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1064.373 1065.155 1064.42 1065.06 Yep , you're right . 1064.67 1065.06 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1068.992 1076.266 1069.46 1076.13 Line centre you can point to . Not like line width , but you can point to line centre . In fact the whole thing should be highlighted , I think . 1071.11 1072.02 1074.15 1075.64 1076.13 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1073.84 1074.422 1073.84 1073.84 ? 1073.84 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1076.928 1077.888 1076.95 1077.85 Line centre . 1077.85 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1078.928 1080.32 1078.95 1080.09 You can point to the line wings . 1080.09 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1079.253 1081.955 1079.32 1081.82 Yeah , you'd you'd say line wings . Alright , you get it . 1079.59 1081.1 1081.48 1081.82 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1088.039 1089.262 1088.13 1089.262 Mm that's just a - EN2006b C FEE088 2 1088.654 1093.435 1088.8 1093.18 Right , you win . Um eclipsing I don't think . 1088.99 1090.5 1093.18 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1092.736 1094.091 1092.8 1093.91 Yep , no that shouldn't be in there . 1093.1 1093.91 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1098.592 1099.898 1098.66 1099.78 Yeah , you're right there . 1099.05 1099.78 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1102.848 1112.256 1102.89 1112.15 Mm you're right , star burst . Oh , star burst active star burst like activity , that's I don't think that's a class . 1104.2 1105.36 1105.46 1109.84 1112.15 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1113.424 1115.396 1113.44 1115.14 It's a action . 1115.14 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1114.512 1117.589 1114.86 1117.37 Y yeah , but then the A_G_N_ like activity . 1115.77 1117.37 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1117.232 1120.219 1117.26 1120.13 Yeah . That has to go as well then , surely . 1118.85 1119.74 1120.13 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1118.642 1121.51 1118.75 1121.34 But A_ g but a an A_ an A_G_N_ is a class . 1121.34 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1119.227 1122.686 1119.49 1122.65 So both of them have to go . A star burst is a class . 1121.49 1122.65 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1121.749 1123.056 1121.87 1122.97 A star burst is a class . 1122.97 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1123.319 1126.808 1123.39 1126.808 A star burst is a type of galaxy , but it's also something that can happen within a galaxy . It's 1124.26 1126.48 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1126.304 1127.391 1126.38 1127.26 As is an A_G_N_ . 1127.26 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1126.32 1127.376 1126.39 1127.28 An A_G_N_ . 1127.28 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1128.672 1132.559 1128.83 1132.52 But an A_G_N_ is an object . The star burst , you can't say here is a star burst . 1129.84 1130.4 1132.52 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1131.312 1134.304 1131.34 1134.25 But we're counting star bursts as star burst galaxies . 1134.25 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1134.224 1139.777 1134.224 1139.69 can't star burst if it means galaxy . If this means star burst galaxy like activity , then that's fair enough . 1136.39 1138.8 1139.69 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1139.104 1147.584 1139.43 1147.32 No , but a star burst galaxy is only a galaxy which has a star burst in it . Like an A_G_ an active galaxy is just a galaxy with an A_G_N_ in it . 1139.61 1142.48 1147.32 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1147.772 1149.968 1148.09 1149.968 But star burst refers to - EN2006b B FEE087 1 1152.874 1153.616 1152.99 1153.52 Mm . 1153.52 EN2006b D MEO086 3 1154.016 1165.696 1154.04 1165.66 Wait , fr from the linguistic side , if you if you mark star burst before and if you feel that star bursts are like objects , then I think it sh it should stay in in this case , even though it's modified by activity , or it's it's m modifying activity actually . 1154.32 1155.6 1159.93 1162.07 1163.64 1165.66 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1154.862 1157.14 1155.0 1157.14 I can see that . 1156.68 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1161.792 1162.32 1161.84 1162.28 Mm-hmm . 1162.28 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1162.298 1162.589 1162.35 1162.46 Yeah . 1162.46 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1165.616 1184.876 1165.65 1184.876 Okay . Let's keep it in . I I think you're right anyway . Mm-hmm . Yes , I think it was ma maybe if it was star forming like activity , that would be different . But yeah . Yes , that's right , but star burst is different . Okay . Um we've just got this split up . I think there should be w H_ 1165.95 1166.65 1169.15 1170.79 1170.98 1173.36 1174.31 1176.15 1176.45 1176.98 1179.61 1180.35 1182.69 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1166.432 1170.432 1166.45 1170.36 I think they're the same . They either have to both stay or both go , and I I think they should stay . 1167.33 1169.07 1170.36 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1168.39 1171.266 1168.43 1171.05 Yeah . Yeah . Okay . 1169.28 1170.8 1171.05 EN2006b D MEO086 3 1170.605 1171.103 1170.66 1170.89 Hmm . 1170.89 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1173.68 1176.472 1173.7 1176.18 Yeah . Star formation we weren't putting in . 1174.74 1176.18 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1184.299 1184.814 1184.43 1184.814 That - EN2006b B FEE087 1 1186.56 1187.587 1186.58 1187.5 You're right , it's two . 1186.96 1187.5 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1189.808 1195.12 1189.88 1195.05 Or was it's a wave-length region . Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . Okay . 1192.81 1193.68 1194.23 1194.69 1195.05 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1190.816 1194.304 1190.84 1194.19 It's a wave length region , but it's tilt but you're saying between that line and that line . 1191.7 1194.19 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1197.2 1202.188 1197.2 1202.09 I'm right here . That's part of a name , yeah . 1200.92 1201.93 1202.09 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1197.39 1198.246 1197.51 1198.246 Um - EN2006b B FEE087 1 1200.944 1202.409 1200.96 1202.34 You are , yes . That's all part of the name . 1201.31 1201.65 1202.34 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1204.921 1206.001 1205.04 1205.9 Line ratios ? 1205.9 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1206.272 1207.041 1206.33 1206.95 Mm 'kay . 1206.95 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1209.422 1215.136 1209.47 1214.91 Infrared galaxies . This time you have it . But galaxies should be in . 1211.99 1213.73 1214.91 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1212.336 1213.51 1212.36 1213.42 But galaxy should be in . 1213.42 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1215.008 1216.128 1215.03 1215.97 So we need to write that . 1215.97 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1218.224 1219.58 1218.24 1219.58 Right . 1219.5 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1223.12 1224.832 1223.12 1224.68 Um hold on . 1224.68 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1224.892 1226.735 1224.98 1226.62 Uh oh , what have we done ? 1225.29 1226.62 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1226.704 1228.193 1226.72 1228.09 Oh no , they are the same . Sorry , I missed that . 1226.91 1227.47 1227.75 1228.09 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1230.144 1237.344 1230.22 1237.3 Absorption line systems . Hubble . And hubble . And galaxy . 1232.52 1234.03 1235.79 1237.3 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1232.156 1232.512 1232.22 1232.44 Hubble . 1232.44 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1237.287 1240.754 1237.38 1240.65 Yeah , ok i in the galaxy distribution . 1238.22 1240.65 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1238.72 1239.936 1238.76 1239.87 Galaxy distribution . 1239.87 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1241.36 1243.081 1241.56 1242.97 Still the distribution of galaxies . 1242.97 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1242.731 1243.38 1242.77 1243.3 Yeah . 1243.3 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1243.284 1243.925 1243.3 1243.87 Yeah , okay . 1243.52 1243.87 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1245.771 1246.586 1246.01 1246.55 Mm . 1246.55 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1247.552 1252.566 1247.67 1252.566 Um high ionization lines ? Yes . 1250.43 1252.41 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1249.959 1251.364 1250.05 1251.23 Yeah , we did it before . 1250.34 1251.23 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1255.207 1256.163 1255.29 1256.01 Yeah , that's okay . 1255.48 1256.01 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1256.192 1256.852 1256.26 1256.82 Mm-hmm . 1256.82 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1257.856 1258.528 1257.9 1258.46 Oh . 1258.46 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1259.542 1260.176 1259.59 1260.14 Yeah , okay . 1259.86 1260.14 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1265.092 1266.476 1265.12 1266.32 Open that radius button . 1266.32 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1265.151 1267.888 1265.19 1267.75 We weren't doing spectral shapes , were we ? 1267.19 1267.75 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1268.384 1270.42 1268.4 1270.16 Yes , don't include Platt's spectrum . 1268.72 1270.16 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1274.311 1275.276 1274.56 1275.2 Quasars . 1275.2 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1275.522 1276.928 1275.64 1276.86 Yeah , that counts . 1276.01 1276.86 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1280.784 1286.008 1281.04 1285.83 Low ionization . Mm but three should be in . 1282.04 1285.83 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1286.704 1287.52 1286.78 1287.38 Mm-hmm . 1287.38 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1288.117 1292.906 1288.24 1292.71 Um low ionization , th they're low BALs , aren't they ? 1290.97 1292.35 1292.71 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1290.805 1297.184 1291.24 1297.06 Um are they uh if you say so . Okay . 1296.78 1297.06 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1291.222 1291.872 1291.32 1291.872 Well - EN2006b B FEE087 1 1294.752 1296.608 1294.77 1296.54 Low BAL is a separate class of source . 1296.54 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1297.104 1298.336 1297.12 1298.1 Yeah , that's true . 1297.55 1298.1 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1298.944 1301.706 1299.01 1301.58 Um , I I don't know if high BALs are , but low BALs are . 1299.31 1300.67 1301.58 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1299.291 1299.946 1299.36 1299.82 That counts . 1299.82 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1301.536 1307.29 1301.56 1307.22 They are and it's a big joke . High balls . Uh yeah . 1304.67 1305.46 1307.22 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1302.128 1302.546 1302.15 1302.44 Okay . 1302.44 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1304.336 1306.185 1304.4 1306.12 Oh right , yeah . Yeah . 1304.75 1305.85 1306.12 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1309.072 1313.248 1309.072 1313.13 Um next . 1313.13 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1316.24 1317.669 1316.33 1317.32 I shouldn't you're right there . 1317.32 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1317.467 1317.966 1317.61 1317.85 Yeah . 1317.85 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1324.16 1331.984 1324.18 1331.89 Yeah , that doesn't go in . That means objects that are identified and maybe at a particular red shift based on it . Yeah . That doesn't count . 1324.44 1325.98 1330.41 1331.1 1331.89 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1324.329 1326.284 1324.42 1326.02 Emission line candidates . 1326.02 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1327.824 1329.296 1327.87 1329.2 Yes , you're right . 1328.28 1329.2 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1332.272 1339.472 1332.58 1339.43 Continuum I think should be in , aren't they ? Although I was talking about conti yeah , continuum luminosity continuum flux , it should be in . 1334.8 1335.83 1336.96 1338.64 1339.43 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1336.132 1338.141 1336.21 1338.03 Mm continuum luminosities . 1338.03 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1339.808 1341.296 1339.84 1341.09 Well you haven't been earlier , have you ? 1340.67 1341.09 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1341.648 1344.112 1341.73 1344.112 I thought we had , we'd put in 1342.46 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1344.928 1348.512 1345.06 1348.48 I don't remember about luminosities . We've been putting in continuum flux . 1346.46 1348.48 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1345.163 1346.551 1345.29 1346.551 I don't think you were . Uh 1345.99 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1348.738 1350.543 1348.82 1350.32 Have you ? Oh okay . Okay . 1349.31 1350.06 1350.32 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1349.52 1350.065 1349.56 1349.85 Mm-hmm . 1349.85 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1349.7 1350.173 1349.75 1350.1 Yeah . 1350.1 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1353.76 1358.311 1353.78 1358.2 Yeah , we weren't doing broad band detections . We were doing yeah . 1353.92 1357.25 1358.2 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1362.856 1363.662 1363.1 1363.55 Mm . 1363.55 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1364.177 1365.376 1364.28 1365.22 This is nice tea . 1365.22 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1366.0 1369.776 1366.03 1369.69 Mine too . Oh . 1367.62 1369.69 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1369.716 1371.04 1369.77 1371.04 Now what were we doing if - EN2006b C FEE088 2 1370.96 1377.2 1371.19 1377.13 Radio loud quasar should be in , Z_ equals two shouldn't . The rule was to leave it in , was it ? 1372.84 1374.63 1376.81 1377.13 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1372.883 1373.184 1372.9 1373.184 It - EN2006b B FEE087 1 1374.24 1375.618 1374.45 1375.618 And what were we doing - EN2006b B FEE087 1 1378.218 1378.975 1378.28 1378.975 Um - EN2006b B FEE087 1 1380.768 1387.904 1380.79 1387.85 I don't know , 'cause you in language speak , mark each as a separate entity . That's different . 1381.11 1382.29 1386.79 1387.85 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1388.227 1390.416 1388.33 1390.26 Yeah , that's for things marked with and . 1388.55 1390.26 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1393.105 1397.04 1393.19 1396.84 Mark sub-sections of entities t no , that's different . Doesn't really say . 1395.32 1396.13 1396.84 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1396.584 1397.465 1396.68 1397.32 Yeah , it doesn't say . 1396.84 1397.32 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1398.912 1400.843 1398.97 1400.71 So we need a rule for that . 1400.71 EN2006b D MEO086 3 1408.267 1411.252 1408.31 1411.2 Is is goo again or is it really Z_ equals two ? 1411.2 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1408.228 1408.96 1408.32 1408.89 What have we done t - EN2006b B FEE087 1 1411.471 1412.48 1411.54 1412.2 Z_ equals two . 1412.2 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1411.559 1423.458 1411.81 1423.458 Z_ equals two is um means at a certain distance . Um so that shouldn't be in , but radio loud quasars is a thing . So it's whether to include the Z_ equals two in the 1415.64 1417.44 1420.36 EN2006b D MEO086 3 1414.96 1415.426 1415.0 1415.3 Mm-hmm . 1415.3 EN2006b D MEO086 3 1419.872 1420.432 1419.9 1420.3 Alright . 1420.3 EN2006b D MEO086 3 1423.504 1423.961 1423.53 1423.86 Mm-hmm . 1423.86 EN2006b D MEO086 3 1426.784 1429.541 1426.8 1429.45 If it was radio-loud quasar , then you would mark it as one thing ? 1428.17 1429.45 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1429.22 1429.611 1429.27 1429.48 Yeah . 1429.48 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1429.44 1430.131 1429.47 1430.0 Yeah . 1430.0 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1429.476 1430.176 1429.51 1430.09 Yeah . 1430.09 EN2006b D MEO086 3 1431.459 1436.421 1431.51 1436.421 I I think it makes sense to um mark the whole thing then as one . I don't know what you feel . But 1434.98 1436.03 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1434.416 1434.713 1434.47 1434.59 Oh . 1434.59 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1434.624 1435.692 1434.64 1435.37 As one , okay . 1435.05 1435.37 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1435.728 1436.114 1435.75 1436.04 Okay . 1436.04 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1437.41 1447.392 1437.47 1447.26 Let's whatever's easiest for you . Y Um yes , take it out . , isn't it ? The spectral components . 1439.67 1441.81 1445.2 1445.2 1445.8 1447.26 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1440.832 1441.594 1440.85 1441.49 No . 1441.49 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1446.016 1446.33 1446.04 1446.22 Yeah . 1446.22 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1447.312 1447.735 1447.33 1447.58 No . 1447.58 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1450.068 1451.307 1450.068 1451.26 X_ ray binaries . 1451.26 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1452.768 1453.34 1452.84 1453.24 Mm-hmm . 1453.24 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1454.946 1456.528 1455.11 1456.04 Hubble deep field again . 1456.04 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1456.448 1457.059 1456.47 1456.93 Mm-hmm . 1456.93 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1459.137 1461.89 1459.32 1461.68 Mm no , we can't have that . 1460.87 1461.68 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1459.309 1462.928 1459.39 1462.26 Emission line objects shouldn't be in either of them . 1462.26 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1463.504 1464.043 1463.64 1463.92 Yep . 1463.92 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1466.576 1470.977 1466.61 1470.977 Radio quiet quasar should be go mm - EN2006b C FEE088 2 1468.992 1470.723 1468.992 1470.63 A source type . 1470.63 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1473.168 1473.509 1473.19 1473.4 Yeah . 1473.4 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1473.228 1473.897 1473.27 1473.82 I think that's right . 1473.82 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1477.265 1482.909 1477.265 1482.81 Now you've done one and not the other . And you're right because one's line formation and one's line profile . 1480.35 1482.81 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1477.712 1479.15 1477.77 1479.07 Oh . 1479.07 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1482.96 1490.464 1482.98 1490.37 Yeah . Um right . 1487.16 1488.99 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1487.568 1488.774 1487.59 1488.53 I_G_M_ I've done again . 1488.53 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1493.815 1495.072 1494.01 1494.85 This is nice and easy . 1494.85 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1495.616 1500.625 1496.86 1500.51 Yes . Um yeah . 1499.15 1500.51 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1500.784 1502.26 1500.87 1502.12 Components . 1502.12 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1503.472 1504.395 1503.5 1504.36 Yeah . 1504.36 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1504.496 1505.119 1504.52 1505.119 Um - EN2006b C FEE088 2 1506.384 1508.192 1506.45 1507.99 We can rid of that , can't we ? 1507.51 1507.99 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1508.336 1509.724 1508.36 1509.63 Yeah . I think so . 1508.97 1509.63 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1509.28 1512.208 1509.31 1511.98 Mm-hmm . But we want the line still . 1511.16 1511.98 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1518.532 1522.001 1518.76 1521.93 The galaxy or galaxy ? Given that it is the galaxy . 1520.67 1521.93 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1518.593 1520.73 1518.85 1520.68 Galaxy with the galaxy . 1520.68 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1524.109 1529.12 1524.18 1529.08 It should be the galaxy , I guess . Insert proper whatever the word is . 1525.07 1526.32 1529.08 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1524.999 1526.496 1525.06 1526.38 It should be the galaxy , yeah . 1526.09 1526.38 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1531.152 1540.151 1531.21 1539.98 H_V_C_ complexes . I don't know what H_V_C_ stands for , but since they're complexes we can cross it out . Huh ? Do you know what H_V_C_ stands for ? 1533.79 1535.41 1537.73 1538.63 1539.98 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1531.273 1532.511 1531.273 1532.511 . 1532.511 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1538.597 1540.926 1538.67 1540.76 H_V_C_ , is it this ? 1539.6 1540.76 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1539.575 1540.132 1539.63 1540.132 Uh - EN2006b B FEE087 1 1542.779 1546.696 1542.83 1546.49 Known to lie in the direction of high velocity clouds . That's where they are . They shouldn't be in there . 1545.26 1545.81 1546.49 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1542.976 1543.425 1543.0 1543.28 No . 1543.28 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1545.264 1547.6 1545.28 1547.55 High velocity clouds . There . That's right . 1546.55 1546.8 1547.55 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1545.135 1546.415 1545.32 1546.31 Yeah , that doesn't count . 1545.58 1546.31 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1548.991 1552.4 1549.06 1552.34 Yes , but they don't explain . I_C_M_ . 1549.29 1551.19 1552.34 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1552.32 1553.358 1552.35 1552.94 Mm-hmm . 1552.94 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1554.848 1555.759 1554.87 1555.42 Scuba . 1555.42 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1555.12 1557.923 1555.19 1557.923 Scuba , that's an instrument . 1556.07 1557.39 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1559.713 1561.328 1559.74 1561.1 Sometimes anyway when it works . 1561.1 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1562.144 1567.653 1562.17 1567.47 You're right there . Should be this and it probably is , that's probably what that means . 1564.27 1566.54 1567.47 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1563.584 1564.368 1563.67 1564.368 Um - EN2006b B FEE087 1 1566.896 1572.784 1566.94 1572.73 No , but no , you're right , and this should be red as well . It should all be . Narrow line A_G_N_ are different . 1567.12 1567.41 1567.93 1569.69 1571.43 1572.73 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1570.181 1571.511 1570.36 1571.41 Oh , I see . Yeah . 1570.5 1571.05 1571.41 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1574.192 1575.376 1574.3 1575.32 I missed out that . 1575.32 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1575.184 1575.616 1575.2 1575.48 Right . 1575.48 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1577.232 1580.39 1577.232 1580.33 Beta line . . 1580.33 1580.33 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1577.949 1581.898 1578.11 1581.898 H_ beta l width . So 1581.62 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1598.4 1600.626 1598.42 1600.53 I don't think that matters very much . 1600.53 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1600.015 1606.05 1600.26 1605.5 Just keep H_ beta , I think . Given that we're not putting line width itself . Even line if it is line width . 1601.07 1602.06 1604.0 1605.5 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1603.725 1604.166 1603.77 1604.13 Okay . 1604.13 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1609.927 1611.529 1610.11 1611.1 You can have flux . 1611.1 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1611.243 1612.183 1611.27 1612.13 Hurray . 1612.13 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1628.096 1632.304 1628.21 1632.18 Um oh , beta , yep . 1630.82 1631.56 1632.18 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1630.288 1632.032 1630.31 1631.32 H_ beta should be in . 1631.32 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1637.616 1638.266 1637.65 1638.15 Mm no . 1638.15 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1638.384 1640.351 1638.4 1640.23 Not that line , but we want enhanced . 1639.14 1640.23 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1640.96 1641.403 1640.98 1641.27 Do we ? 1641.27 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1641.664 1642.298 1641.69 1642.16 Why ? 1642.16 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1641.748 1649.936 1641.8 1649.85 We we wanted , and this is relative , we wanted modifiers of modifiers of spectral lines , E_G_ weak broad lines . 1643.29 1645.02 1648.51 1649.85 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1650.4 1651.968 1650.45 1651.84 But enhanced relative to what ? 1651.84 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1653.253 1658.784 1653.28 1658.73 I weak w relative to what though ? It's all relative , but it's still a modifier of that line . 1656.3 1657.12 1658.73 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1660.16 1660.544 1660.18 1660.49 Okay . 1660.49 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1664.795 1665.46 1664.85 1665.46 And the same - EN2006b D MEO086 3 1664.974 1674.34 1665.05 1674.24 Um so sorry , and the the A_G_N_ , I think that should be one entity , right ? The the uh w wasn't it that according to the uh acronym rule , the first one ? 1666.1 1667.07 1668.76 1668.98 1673.15 1674.24 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1674.552 1675.292 1674.66 1675.292 Um - EN2006b A MEE089 0 1676.095 1677.664 1676.47 1677.42 Y yes , that's right . 1676.83 1677.42 EN2006b D MEO086 3 1679.344 1682.657 1679.36 1682.57 Mark the la la . Mark the whole string as one entity . One acronym . 1680.29 1681.89 1682.57 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1682.64 1690.848 1682.73 1690.75 No , only when it's embedded . Oh , but the second one . Oh , it's included beside mark it all as one entity , yes . 1683.03 1685.48 1685.96 1687.65 1687.86 1690.38 1690.75 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1682.79 1684.552 1682.96 1684.48 But when yeah . 1684.48 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1689.136 1691.587 1689.16 1691.587 Yeah . Yeah , that's right . Uh 1690.35 1690.68 1691.33 EN2006b D MEO086 3 1690.673 1691.105 1690.73 1690.98 Mm-hmm . 1690.98 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1690.868 1693.462 1690.98 1693.462 Oh , I don't think I was doing that . 1691.89 1693.14 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1698.646 1700.866 1698.8 1700.54 Yes , I don't know how many times I've missed the . 1699.09 1700.54 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1700.589 1702.304 1700.69 1702.25 Yeah , I've missed that a lot . 1701.02 1702.25 EN2006b D MEO086 3 1700.88 1702.751 1701.0 1702.59 Mm-hmm . Mm . 1702.39 1702.59 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1704.273 1710.804 1704.273 1710.61 Um weak emission I think should be in there . 1710.61 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1712.208 1713.52 1712.23 1713.44 Yeah . Okay . 1712.99 1713.44 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1715.344 1716.003 1715.49 1715.85 Really ? 1715.85 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1717.475 1720.522 1717.71 1720.43 Mm . If we're including it , emission 1718.79 1719.69 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1718.831 1719.612 1718.92 1719.612 If it was - EN2006b A MEE089 0 1721.712 1722.624 1721.76 1722.36 Are you ? N 1722.25 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1721.721 1722.137 1721.81 1722.137 Um - EN2006b C FEE088 2 1723.849 1729.333 1723.87 1729.333 Oh yeah , extended emission is extended . We we've not been including extended emission . So 1724.81 1726.8 1728.84 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1727.712 1728.363 1727.75 1728.32 No . 1728.32 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1728.71 1736.765 1728.81 1736.7 No , that's true , so we shouldn't have done either of those . But then weak yeah , okay , nothing at all . 1728.98 1729.28 1731.29 1734.76 1736.07 1736.7 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1730.315 1730.889 1730.36 1730.7 No . 1730.7 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1730.643 1731.059 1730.67 1730.98 Yeah . 1730.98 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1732.07 1736.308 1732.12 1736.22 Weak emission levels is just a way of saying yeah , I agree . Done . 1734.68 1735.55 1736.22 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1732.096 1733.357 1732.13 1733.12 Nor weak emission then . 1733.12 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1734.528 1734.968 1734.55 1734.87 No . 1734.87 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1741.76 1744.672 1741.78 1744.56 Star burst contribution . 1744.56 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1744.928 1747.449 1744.98 1747.32 That's not a separate source . 1747.32 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1746.002 1747.707 1746.09 1747.53 Yeah , that's true . 1746.88 1747.53 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1750.085 1751.448 1750.27 1751.28 Oh yeah . Sorry . Yeah . 1750.71 1751.08 1751.28 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1752.736 1754.098 1752.76 1754.03 Red continuum should be in . 1754.03 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1752.826 1755.725 1752.96 1755.63 Red continuum . Okay . 1754.89 1755.63 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1755.986 1758.848 1756.08 1758.73 Broad line emission and the rest frame U_V_ should all be one . 1758.73 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1758.928 1759.36 1758.95 1759.31 Yeah . 1759.31 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1765.554 1767.06 1765.65 1766.91 Yeah , that should be out . 1766.02 1766.91 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1765.921 1768.816 1766.0 1768.76 You're right , yeah . Oh . No , it shouldn't . 1766.75 1767.33 1768.14 1768.25 1768.76 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1769.675 1772.001 1769.71 1772.001 We weren't doing components . So 1771.31 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1770.736 1771.344 1770.76 1771.22 No . 1771.22 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1771.264 1772.816 1771.3 1772.76 Oh yes , sorry , you're right . 1771.91 1772.25 1772.76 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1772.512 1772.823 1772.53 1772.74 Yeah . 1772.74 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1776.032 1777.344 1776.07 1777.31 Lines . 1777.31 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1776.014 1782.56 1776.12 1782.5 Yeah , this is this a radio transfer thing . So they don't mean they mean photons in the lines escape . 1776.66 1779.0 1782.5 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1784.512 1787.431 1784.53 1787.4 Not that that's not something you can point to . I don't think that counts . 1786.55 1787.4 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1787.062 1788.059 1787.16 1787.82 Yes , that's true . 1787.48 1787.82 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1793.396 1799.571 1793.52 1799.53 Associated again , which means nothing . Continuum source shouldn't be in . 1794.52 1797.59 1799.53 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1796.224 1797.323 1796.25 1797.23 Mm . 1797.23 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1799.568 1800.426 1799.7 1800.3 Uh-uh . 1800.3 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1801.76 1803.07 1801.78 1802.87 And associated shouldn't be in . 1802.87 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1805.136 1810.256 1805.56 1809.9 C_T_I_I_O_ . What does it stand for ? 1808.8 1809.9 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1806.827 1816.919 1806.89 1816.73 Mm that should be oh wait , is that s that's an observatory , isn't it ? The C_T_ is the C_T_I_O_ four metre uh the name of that telescope ? 1808.68 1810.39 1811.44 1816.73 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1810.371 1811.344 1810.371 1811.21 Yeah . 1811.21 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1815.28 1816.602 1815.32 1816.34 That is a separate thing . 1816.34 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1817.251 1821.425 1817.37 1821.34 Um m uh y ye well , I don't know . 1820.74 1821.34 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1819.232 1820.559 1819.25 1820.47 No . 1820.47 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1820.945 1821.776 1821.03 1821.67 Y yeah . 1821.67 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1821.6 1824.863 1821.82 1824.863 And the A_A_T_ is an observatory as well , isn't it ? So 1823.45 1824.4 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1823.504 1824.397 1823.52 1824.397 Yeah . But 1824.1 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1824.371 1829.76 1824.55 1829.76 Yes , but it's also a telescope , and I think he if there's no other way of describing it , that telescope 1824.92 1825.85 1828.84 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1832.222 1836.413 1832.4 1836.37 The C_T_I_O_ four metre telescope is must be what it's called . Otherwise they'd call it a name . 1835.33 1836.37 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1837.68 1843.472 1837.71 1843.38 Hmm . That's the actually usually . But anyway . I don't mind . 1838.1 1839.82 1842.43 1843.38 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1839.73 1840.038 1839.8 1839.95 Yeah . 1839.95 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1841.696 1842.467 1841.72 1842.467 Um - EN2006b C FEE088 2 1843.168 1844.857 1843.27 1844.857 But we if we put - EN2006b B FEE087 1 1844.448 1846.784 1844.64 1846.784 We're including observatory if it refers - EN2006b B FEE087 1 1848.992 1851.064 1849.06 1851.01 If it's part of the proper name of an instrument . 1851.01 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1850.37 1850.778 1850.46 1850.67 Yeah . 1850.67 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1851.051 1855.433 1851.1 1855.17 Yeah . I gue I guess keep it then . Yeah , I think so . 1851.6 1853.92 1854.75 1855.17 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1852.24 1854.032 1852.26 1853.93 But then we have to include four metre as well . 1853.93 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1854.464 1857.488 1854.48 1857.41 Yes , up the telescope ? No , just four metre . 1855.13 1856.59 1856.72 1857.41 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1856.966 1857.824 1857.05 1857.71 No . Yeah . 1857.47 1857.71 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1859.616 1860.351 1859.64 1860.05 Right . 1860.05 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1864.299 1865.454 1864.43 1865.42 Ion shouldn't be in there . 1865.42 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1864.781 1866.752 1864.84 1866.6 Yep , I agree . Mm-hmm . 1865.31 1866.37 1866.6 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1867.036 1874.12 1867.1 1873.9 Oh no , it should . Iron and absorption . Is it contamination from blended iron and absorption lines ? No , it's not . 1867.33 1868.03 1869.51 1873.27 1873.49 1873.9 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1873.704 1884.103 1873.78 1884.03 What is that comma doing there ? Yeah , no oh , I see , I see , I see , yeah . Accounting for galactic reddening contamination from blended iron . What they mean is blended iron lines . 1875.73 1875.9 1876.42 1876.63 1876.84 1877.13 1878.53 1882.33 1884.03 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1875.837 1878.63 1875.99 1878.35 It's no , it's not . I if the comma wasn't there , it would be in . 1876.49 1877.02 1877.9 1878.35 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1882.913 1887.529 1882.96 1887.47 Blended ion lines , yeah . Yes , you do mean ion lines . Yeah . 1883.88 1885.67 1885.91 1887.22 1887.47 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1884.266 1886.912 1884.31 1886.84 So they do mean iron line . So so it should be in . 1885.29 1886.84 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1885.823 1886.239 1885.84 1886.15 Yeah . 1886.15 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1888.48 1890.832 1888.52 1890.78 And we're keeping line in 'cause its strengths , yeah . 1890.34 1890.78 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1892.208 1895.227 1892.23 1894.91 Continuum flux we should have all in . 1894.91 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1892.125 1897.458 1892.47 1897.458 Continuum fluxes , yeah , we're doing that , yeah . 1894.38 1894.67 1895.45 1896.78 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1901.376 1911.276 1901.44 1911.17 No . Uh yeah . Damped Lyman alpha Q_S_O_ . 1905.7 1909.09 1911.17 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1902.115 1907.374 1902.3 1907.374 G oh . There're gonna be hundreds of those . Least it's quick . Um 1902.88 1905.6 1906.12 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1911.616 1916.384 1911.64 1916.23 I don't think that's a separate class of quasar . But then I don't know about quasars . 1913.69 1916.23 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1916.912 1921.082 1916.95 1920.97 Uh I don't know what that means either . One damped Lyman alpha Q_S_O_s . 1919.12 1920.97 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1919.04 1920.116 1919.06 1919.71 I think it should p - EN2006b C FEE088 2 1923.12 1925.142 1923.14 1925.0 It's not a source type , that's definitely true . 1924.15 1925.0 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1924.704 1925.377 1924.72 1925.25 No . 1925.25 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1925.28 1935.408 1925.3 1935.408 Yeah . That's okay . Um the A_W_D_ s . Mm white dwarf ? Um 1927.12 1929.11 1931.16 1934.55 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1927.437 1927.77 1927.48 1927.77 So - EN2006b C FEE088 2 1932.48 1933.536 1932.5 1933.5 What's D_A_ ? 1933.5 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1936.096 1937.72 1936.15 1937.66 And there's W_D_s . 1937.66 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1938.158 1938.818 1938.158 1938.818 . 1938.818 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1938.944 1941.96 1938.96 1941.75 It's twenty five of D_A_ type and six of D_B_ type . 1941.75 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1940.544 1942.288 1940.57 1942.21 Yeah , it's if it has 1941.02 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1942.645 1943.544 1942.77 1943.51 h h - EN2006b A MEE089 0 1944.928 1949.712 1944.95 1949.67 Hydrogen or h helium in the atmosphere of white dwarfs . Yeah . 1949.29 1949.67 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1947.632 1952.912 1947.65 1952.912 Okay , so it is a different class . Okay . 1947.92 1949.89 1952.88 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1949.583 1949.998 1949.7 1949.83 Yep . 1949.83 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1954.0 1954.688 1954.05 1954.64 Nope . 1954.64 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1954.224 1954.583 1954.25 1954.46 Yep . 1954.46 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1956.928 1959.048 1956.95 1958.9 Yes , you're fine with that . 1958.08 1958.9 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1958.035 1959.209 1958.23 1959.08 Low BAL . 1959.08 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1966.352 1969.104 1966.71 1968.97 Mm I'd put multiple in there . 1968.97 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1972.896 1974.608 1972.92 1974.54 We're not supposed to do components . 1974.54 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1975.435 1978.6 1975.54 1978.52 No , that's right . That all goes . 1976.01 1977.73 1978.52 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1975.984 1976.394 1976.11 1976.35 Nope . 1976.35 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1976.071 1977.287 1976.13 1977.15 I say neither of them . 1977.15 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1977.456 1977.948 1977.51 1977.79 Okay . 1977.79 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1978.833 1980.847 1978.91 1980.8 Or yeah , that's right . 1980.48 1980.8 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1980.448 1980.848 1980.47 1980.8 Yeah . 1980.8 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1984.456 1988.992 1984.54 1988.89 No absorption lines . That should be highlighted . Oh sorry , I'm I me 1986.89 1987.94 1988.22 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1984.799 1986.036 1984.89 1985.99 No luminos - EN2006b C FEE088 2 1988.496 1994.385 1988.52 1994.385 Yeah , low luminosity Q_S_O_s , no . People talk about them a lot , but 1989.15 1991.28 1993.03 1994.12 EN2006b B FEE087 1 1995.76 2000.211 1995.78 2000.211 Yeah , I don't thin I don't think there was s but 1996.0 EN2006b C FEE088 2 1995.823 2000.341 1996.05 2000.341 Well we're doing ultra-luminous galaxies . So we should do 1999.2 EN2006b A MEE089 0 1998.352 2001.208 1998.352 2001.15 Yeah . I guess you could keep it then . 1999.94 2001.15 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2001.633 2005.088 2001.69 2004.92 Yeah . People discuss them as a separate class . 2003.01 2004.92 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2002.064 2006.138 2002.1 2006.138 Mm only if it's an astro-physically distinct distinct - EN2006b C FEE088 2 2006.928 2009.64 2006.95 2009.61 They are as as much as ultra-luminous galaxies are . 2009.61 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2009.2 2009.606 2009.22 2009.55 Yeah . 2009.55 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2011.102 2011.593 2011.18 2011.47 Okay . 2011.47 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2014.362 2017.738 2014.47 2017.59 No absorption lines should be in , and the same here . 2016.89 2017.59 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2014.498 2016.61 2014.66 2016.43 And yep , that should be in . 2015.87 2016.43 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2020.768 2023.278 2020.81 2023.11 I didn't . Nice not to do associated for once . 2021.51 2023.11 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2023.282 2024.146 2023.48 2024.05 Excellent . 2024.05 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2026.608 2028.811 2026.74 2028.7 Regions . I shouldn't have done that . 2027.63 2028.7 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2027.257 2028.611 2027.31 2028.611 I you're - EN2006b B FEE087 1 2029.76 2031.44 2029.96 2031.36 Y yes , you shouldn't . 2030.42 2031.36 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2037.008 2038.4 2037.03 2038.37 Oh , A_ and B_ . 2037.38 2038.37 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2038.544 2041.936 2038.56 2041.69 And we w oh gosh , what were we gonna to do about A_ and again ? 2040.31 2041.69 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2040.951 2046.439 2041.21 2046.11 No , that's the conjunctural . I'm right here , I think . If yeah . 2041.53 2042.92 2043.68 2045.3 2046.11 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2045.184 2046.446 2045.2 2046.41 Yes , you are right , yeah . 2045.55 2046.07 2046.41 EN2006b D MEO086 3 2046.856 2047.321 2046.91 2047.2 Mm-hmm . 2047.2 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2050.272 2053.024 2050.3 2052.98 Strong soft X_ ray flux . 2052.98 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2054.288 2055.728 2054.31 2055.6 Yeah , you can point to that . 2054.67 2055.6 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2054.532 2055.62 2054.58 2055.54 Yeah , that's okay . 2054.9 2055.54 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2057.296 2058.312 2057.43 2058.312 Uh - EN2006b B FEE087 1 2058.992 2060.604 2059.01 2060.49 And that's associated absorption lines . 2060.49 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2062.672 2068.921 2062.7 2068.83 Oh . Right . In the A_A_L_ outflow , it's a r yeah , that doesn't count . 2063.94 2065.58 2067.24 2068.22 2068.83 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2066.315 2068.069 2066.34 2067.77 But it's a region though , isn't it . 2067.25 2067.77 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2071.168 2073.654 2071.19 2073.37 And absorption and small clouds is out . 2073.37 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2073.323 2074.383 2073.38 2074.11 It doesn't count . 2074.11 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2079.258 2087.421 2079.33 2087.32 Ah , now this is the conjunct rule again . And I've done blue wings of this and this and this . 2079.83 2082.76 2087.32 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2082.637 2086.553 2082.76 2086.38 And I didn't Ooh . How do you know what's going on here ? 2084.44 2086.38 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2088.096 2088.622 2088.12 2088.53 Yeah . 2088.53 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2088.896 2103.008 2088.92 2102.91 And this is one double line . And this . And presumably that's red there . It goes over there . I think i if the line's too long , y you've highlighted all i as one . But and I've highlighted it separately . It should be separate . 2091.38 2092.84 2096.35 2097.45 2098.75 2100.69 2102.11 2102.91 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2091.471 2091.82 2091.51 2091.76 Yeah . 2091.76 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2096.207 2101.071 2096.27 2100.91 Yeah , I don't know what this means . Oh , I highlighted all as one , right . 2096.55 2099.25 2099.53 2100.67 2100.91 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2106.624 2107.328 2106.67 2107.29 Okay , yeah . 2107.05 2107.29 EN2006b D MEO086 3 2108.476 2111.552 2108.57 2111.552 What what's this N_ thing ? Because that is not marked in the 2109.69 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2112.48 2119.392 2112.5 2119.3 I think if the line's too long , it's only ha putting the bottom line because Olivia would've marked from blue all the way to the end as one long line . 2113.83 2119.3 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2119.3 2120.135 2119.46 2119.93 Ye ye - EN2006b D MEO086 3 2119.792 2122.571 2119.83 2122.571 No , sorry , I mean the um so so most the 2119.95 2120.22 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2120.781 2123.969 2120.97 2123.78 The N_ should be . Yeah , yeah . 2122.63 2123.02 2123.78 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2121.466 2123.653 2121.466 2123.53 the N_ as well . Uh yeah , 2122.74 2123.53 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2122.88 2130.024 2123.0 2129.87 Yes , but I think it probably was and just hasn't printed because Olivia wouldn't have started marking at fourteen O_ two . Almo two lines above . 2123.25 2128.31 2129.87 EN2006b D MEO086 3 2125.647 2126.206 2125.8 2126.04 Right . 2126.04 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2130.352 2132.795 2130.45 2132.71 Mm . Hmm ? 2131.0 2132.71 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2132.982 2145.12 2133.07 2144.64 Yeah , but I think it's just m missing out the printing if the line goes over the end . 'Cause if you look at you look at what Olivia's done here , Olivia wouldn't have just highlighted that line . She would have highlighted the whole thing . 2133.47 2137.88 2140.83 2143.54 2144.64 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2134.128 2134.418 2134.15 2134.32 Yeah . 2134.32 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2136.72 2141.32 2136.93 2141.27 Oh , I see . So your N_ starts yep , yep , I see what you mean . 2137.64 2138.21 2140.08 2140.38 2141.27 EN2006b D MEO086 3 2138.586 2141.182 2138.73 2140.89 Hmm . Yeah . 2140.55 2140.89 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2143.072 2143.855 2143.072 2143.61 Right . 2143.61 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2143.789 2144.273 2143.84 2144.09 Mm . 2144.09 EN2006b D MEO086 3 2143.834 2150.879 2143.86 2150.74 But Yeah . But it's s so you're mostly settling uh settling for for the uh solution where you mark all contacts individually . 2145.58 2150.74 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2145.296 2146.963 2145.45 2146.81 So N_ probably should be highli - EN2006b B FEE087 1 2149.84 2153.339 2149.86 2153.28 Yeah , and it's just hasn't printed that . But it is marked I think . 2150.32 2152.14 2153.28 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2151.761 2152.138 2151.82 2152.05 Yep . 2152.05 EN2006b D MEO086 3 2154.016 2154.374 2154.04 2154.23 Right . 2154.23 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2156.663 2158.928 2156.68 2158.72 Absorption components don't count . 2158.72 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2159.296 2160.023 2159.58 2159.93 Mm-hmm . 2159.93 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2160.88 2164.032 2160.9 2163.96 Continuum source , does that count ? Shouldn't be . 2162.04 2163.49 2163.96 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2161.83 2163.664 2161.83 2163.58 Shouldn't be . 2163.58 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2168.435 2171.836 2168.51 2171.74 Mm oh so it is . That's right . 2171.27 2171.74 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2173.04 2175.024 2173.1 2174.89 But it's al is that also the name of the source ? 2174.89 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2175.328 2176.103 2175.35 2176.0 Probably , yeah . 2175.79 2176.0 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2175.904 2176.578 2175.92 2176.43 Yeah . 2176.43 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2176.928 2180.78 2176.99 2180.43 So it should be this one plus the pink . 2180.43 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2181.856 2182.128 2181.88 2182.02 Yep . 2182.02 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2185.648 2191.791 2185.648 2191.76 Uh line broadness . 2191.76 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2189.994 2193.488 2190.09 2193.17 Line broadness , and I think that should be in . 2191.83 2193.17 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2193.343 2196.977 2193.343 2196.89 That's a way of saying line width though , and we don't mark line width . 2195.49 2196.89 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2195.784 2202.767 2196.24 2202.57 That's true . Well okay yeah . So we've been in here . Alright . 2197.39 2200.87 2202.41 2202.57 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2204.965 2206.394 2205.4 2205.98 my table for now . 2205.98 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2205.837 2209.022 2205.837 2208.57 Oh . 2208.57 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2212.432 2216.249 2212.432 2216.09 Rich iron spectrum . 2216.09 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2214.288 2216.162 2214.42 2216.02 Rich iron spectrum . 2216.02 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2221.635 2230.838 2221.71 2230.838 You're probably right . To the feature of the spectrum . Does that make it a spectral feature ? Um 2222.5 2226.04 2229.96 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2227.73 2229.104 2227.73 2229.104 . 2229.104 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2235.655 2236.911 2235.655 2235.655 . 2235.655 EN2006b D MEO086 3 2236.784 2238.4 2236.8 2238.4 Something that you can point to , right ? Or 2237.81 2238.06 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2238.352 2261.169 2238.352 2261.169 Well kind of , it it's uh uh d if you had a s sp spectrum , you have all the l lines of actually lots of different elements , and you have to work out at all the ones sp which are ion lines . Then after that you look and say um ha has a lot of ion in it . Um 2241.08 2244.26 2249.58 2254.09 2260.54 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2238.408 2239.264 2238.55 2239.12 Yeah . 2239.12 EN2006b D MEO086 3 2249.265 2249.75 2249.32 2249.6 Mm-hmm . 2249.6 EN2006b D MEO086 3 2254.11 2254.706 2254.13 2254.58 Mm-hmm . 2254.58 EN2006b D MEO086 3 2259.52 2260.029 2259.56 2259.85 Mm-hmm . 2259.85 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2260.08 2260.576 2260.23 2260.53 Mm . 2260.53 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2262.916 2269.445 2262.95 2269.29 It's a feature of the whole spectrum rather than you can't say there is a rich iron spectrum , you can say this is a rich iron spectrum . 2267.39 2269.29 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2263.168 2263.627 2263.19 2263.56 Yeah . 2263.56 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2263.627 2264.866 2263.72 2264.79 But b yeah i - EN2006b C FEE088 2 2264.741 2268.418 2264.91 2268.38 Yep , that's the rich iron spectrum . I agree , let's get rid of it . 2265.58 2267.22 2267.75 2268.38 EN2006b D MEO086 3 2266.898 2267.738 2267.11 2267.58 Oh , I see . 2267.27 2267.58 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2267.115 2269.851 2267.19 2269.72 That's right , it's it yeah . 2267.66 2269.72 EN2006b D MEO086 3 2269.551 2273.379 2269.6 2273.3 So in that sense it's like like a derived property . Yeah , I see , uh-huh . 2272.37 2272.68 2273.01 2273.3 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2269.865 2270.222 2269.99 2270.15 Yeah . 2270.15 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2271.528 2272.542 2271.59 2272.45 Yeah , yeah . 2272.15 2272.45 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2271.788 2273.088 2271.86 2273.02 Yeah , I think so . 2272.48 2273.02 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2273.264 2277.018 2273.28 2276.88 Yes , it's not a spectral feature . It's feature of the spectrum , which is different . 2273.57 2274.36 2276.21 2276.88 EN2006b D MEO086 3 2274.679 2275.96 2274.72 2275.88 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 2275.52 2275.88 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2275.177 2277.536 2275.28 2277.45 Right , that's not shouldn't go in . 2275.86 2277.45 EN2006b D MEO086 3 2277.483 2277.907 2277.58 2277.82 Mm . 2277.82 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2279.136 2279.798 2279.16 2279.63 Yes . 2279.63 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2281.731 2283.369 2281.78 2283.03 And then with the same . 2283.03 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2281.886 2284.33 2281.91 2284.26 Is that everything ? Yeah . Okay . 2282.82 2283.88 2284.26 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2284.784 2291.52 2284.99 2291.45 Gosh , we're getting through this now . Um giant ellipticals or ellipticals . 2285.21 2288.16 2291.45 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2286.4 2288.575 2286.42 2288.48 Yeah yeah , we aren't gonna make it to our second cookie break . 2286.96 2288.48 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2291.824 2294.943 2291.824 2294.75 I don't mind . 2294.75 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2293.675 2296.944 2293.95 2296.944 We were inclu are you not - EN2006b C FEE088 2 2296.864 2298.861 2296.88 2298.78 Are giant ellipticals separate things ? I don't know . 2298.35 2298.78 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2298.76 2300.232 2298.95 2300.02 Yeah , I think so . 2299.26 2300.02 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2299.175 2304.864 2299.42 2304.73 They are separate , but are they a separate class ? I think they probably are in the ETA B_T_G_s and things . 2300.12 2301.65 2304.73 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2302.624 2304.751 2302.69 2304.72 I think so . Yeah . 2304.32 2304.72 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2302.632 2304.362 2302.75 2304.25 Yeah . Okay . 2303.86 2304.25 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2306.524 2308.685 2306.69 2308.58 Line emitting gas doesn't get in . 2308.58 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2310.832 2311.991 2310.85 2311.87 Ionized emission . 2311.87 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2313.616 2316.294 2313.64 2316.19 If you're doing emission from high yeah . 2316.19 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2315.277 2317.632 2315.32 2317.55 Yes , I think you want ionized in there . 2315.78 2317.55 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2319.027 2321.232 2319.14 2321.2 Really ? Really ? You think ? 2320.08 2320.72 2321.2 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2320.636 2321.035 2320.71 2320.95 Hmm ? 2320.95 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2322.334 2323.74 2322.37 2323.74 Well she - EN2006b B FEE087 1 2322.679 2325.099 2322.76 2325.099 You can point to ionized emission rather than - EN2006b C FEE088 2 2325.085 2335.417 2325.56 2335.417 She was allowed emission from high excitation what-not . And that's exactly the same . Yeah , that's exactly the same as 2331.0 2333.37 2333.96 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2327.243 2340.705 2327.243 2340.62 Hmm . Emission from high excitation lines . Yeah . It it's pointing there and saying , look , there's a high excitation emission . And there's not high excitation . 2331.41 2334.35 2335.15 2336.51 2336.66 2339.27 2340.62 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2341.045 2343.304 2341.07 2343.25 Okay , if you both think so . Yeah . 2341.54 2342.85 2343.25 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2341.183 2341.532 2341.26 2341.47 No . 2341.47 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2343.872 2350.118 2344.05 2350.118 Well I'm not certain if high excitation should go in , but if high excitation should go in , I think ionized means the same thing , doesn't it ? So 2345.98 2347.26 2348.57 2349.77 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2347.222 2347.482 2347.3 2347.35 K - EN2006b A MEE089 0 2349.088 2350.576 2349.11 2350.39 Yeah . Okay , okay . 2349.66 2350.19 2350.39 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2350.176 2350.873 2350.31 2350.84 Mm-hmm . 2350.84 EN2006b D MEO086 3 2350.641 2350.939 2350.67 2350.84 Hmm . 2350.84 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2353.76 2364.155 2353.76 2364.05 Yeah , you're right . You've got X_ ray source R_ one seventeen . 2359.55 2361.17 2364.05 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2354.117 2355.307 2354.2 2355.16 Line ratio . 2355.16 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2359.243 2361.962 2359.28 2361.77 What's different there ? Oh there , yes . 2360.91 2361.46 2361.77 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2368.96 2373.072 2368.98 2372.99 Narrow line Seyfert one should all be one . With the red inside it . 2371.47 2372.99 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2372.766 2373.331 2372.9 2373.22 Mm-hmm . 2373.22 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2376.928 2377.641 2376.99 2377.641 That - EN2006b C FEE088 2 2377.901 2379.164 2378.01 2379.164 No , that's 2378.66 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2380.704 2384.078 2380.83 2383.94 This is describing the band you do the observations in ? 2383.94 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2380.982 2381.631 2381.04 2381.49 Yeah . 2381.49 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2384.432 2386.195 2384.72 2386.09 It's describing the line you're looking for . 2386.09 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2387.146 2389.312 2387.18 2389.23 Yeah , I think so . 2388.6 2389.23 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2387.664 2389.842 2387.72 2389.75 Yeah , that counts ? Alright . 2388.1 2389.4 2389.75 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2389.232 2391.872 2389.3 2391.55 We've included it before when you've said this has been detected . 2391.55 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2391.763 2392.719 2391.79 2392.66 Right , okay . 2392.22 2392.66 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2391.968 2392.608 2391.968 2392.55 Yeah . 2392.55 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2399.52 2403.504 2399.92 2403.43 From I think should be in there . 2403.43 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2402.63 2403.003 2402.78 2402.97 S - EN2006b C FEE088 2 2403.424 2406.688 2403.44 2406.64 S Yeah , okay . Yep . 2405.67 2406.39 2406.64 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2405.57 2406.543 2405.67 2406.43 E emission lines . 2406.43 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2410.253 2411.984 2410.31 2411.69 Quasars I missed . 2411.69 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2411.402 2411.884 2411.5 2411.8 Yep . 2411.8 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2414.229 2416.208 2414.3 2416.1 Ooh . Those shouldn't be there , should they ? 2415.12 2415.79 2416.1 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2418.503 2418.927 2418.6 2418.82 No . 2418.82 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2418.549 2420.786 2418.71 2420.65 Damped Lyman also is not systems , yeah . 2420.44 2420.65 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2420.798 2422.187 2420.92 2422.04 Oh okay , okay , okay . 2421.48 2421.69 2422.04 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2422.628 2424.673 2422.81 2424.673 Well hang on though , but um 2423.41 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2429.088 2440.703 2429.13 2440.59 Is it just um to s scrub your mechanism there ? It isn't uh a spectral feature such as oh , it's a process . 2435.76 2439.8 2440.59 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2436.051 2437.489 2436.17 2437.45 Ne yes . 2437.45 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2438.458 2449.808 2439.0 2449.59 Mm no , I think it's a spectral feature . You can point to the damped Lyman a alpha resorption , in in the same way you can point to H_ beta emission , although H_ beta emission is a process . Or emission from H_ beta is is a process . 2439.51 2440.64 2443.04 2445.23 2447.82 2449.59 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2447.728 2450.54 2447.75 2450.44 I think this is what we agreed to cross out before , isn't it ? 2450.15 2450.44 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2447.738 2448.285 2447.87 2448.2 Mm-hmm . 2448.2 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2451.288 2458.026 2451.38 2458.026 No , the damped Lyman alpha absorption systems we crossed out . We also crossed out 2451.87 2456.43 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2455.296 2455.777 2455.32 2455.64 Mm-hmm . 2455.64 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2461.328 2462.687 2461.35 2462.62 I think it's a process myself . 2462.62 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2462.169 2463.566 2462.2 2463.566 I think it's a process too , I think 2463.21 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2465.232 2475.346 2465.62 2475.29 Especially when uh they're saying we're y we're choosing low red-shift absorption . That's not really something you can point to . 2472.36 2475.29 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2473.697 2474.904 2473.8 2474.904 What did we do back - EN2006b B FEE087 1 2479.168 2483.211 2479.4 2482.93 Mm you can point to low red shift damped Lyman alpha absorption 'cause you're shifted in the spectrum there . 2482.93 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2483.152 2486.544 2483.52 2486.51 Mm . I'm not too fast , I don't think . 2484.88 2485.84 2486.51 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2487.728 2488.315 2487.77 2488.24 Um - EN2006b B FEE087 1 2491.342 2493.761 2491.47 2493.46 would it be if it was H_ beta absorption ? 2493.46 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2497.456 2501.695 2497.52 2501.25 And you just took out the low red shifts . Quasars with H_ beta absorption you'd put in . 2499.29 2501.25 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2503.28 2504.928 2503.32 2504.84 Mm no I'm not sure . 2504.84 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2505.264 2508.4 2505.48 2508.4 Because it's a spectral feature . I think damped Lyman alpha absorption 2506.66 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2510.369 2515.235 2510.43 2515.16 It's whether it's a process or a a feature . But I can't remember what we've done before . 2513.53 2515.16 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2513.596 2514.75 2513.67 2514.46 I think it's both . 2514.46 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2517.072 2521.41 2517.21 2521.18 Because we've every feature is produced by a process . 2521.18 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2519.812 2525.152 2520.2 2525.07 Well if it was if it was absorption and damped Lyman alpha clouds , you'd not mark absorption . 2523.69 2525.07 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2525.881 2530.488 2525.93 2530.32 Yes , it's depends whether it has t whether it means with low red shift damped Lyman alpha cloud absorption . 2526.21 2530.32 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2533.01 2537.136 2533.03 2537.136 If it was damped Lyman alpha absorbers , that would be different . But I think absorption 2534.9 2535.8 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2538.64 2540.332 2538.71 2540.26 I do think it's a process , I think . 2539.82 2540.26 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2540.221 2554.016 2540.32 2553.98 It's a process , but it also produces a spectral feature , where you can say there's the damped Lyman alpha absorption , there's the in the same way that the , yeah , H_ beta emission is a process . Yeah , I think it should be in there . 2540.93 2543.95 2545.94 2549.0 2549.14 2552.31 2552.64 2553.98 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2545.954 2548.192 2546.13 2548.09 Yeah . Well that's true . That is true . 2546.7 2547.57 2548.09 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2546.823 2548.852 2546.87 2548.72 Hmm ? Mm ? 2548.5 2548.72 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2550.139 2550.746 2550.17 2550.63 Yeah . 2550.63 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2551.006 2554.24 2551.08 2554.24 Well we've both marked it . So let's leave it there . 2552.01 2553.67 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2552.626 2553.907 2552.76 2553.81 Yeah , okay , okay . 2553.02 2553.51 2553.81 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2557.618 2563.561 2557.8 2563.561 Micro-quasars . They're dubbed micro-quasars . 2560.53 2563.38 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2558.048 2560.0 2558.07 2560.0 Micro-quasars . 2559.32 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2562.232 2565.433 2562.27 2565.433 Yeah . That means it's new-fangled . 2563.64 2565.08 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2565.127 2570.779 2565.127 2570.62 Is it gonna be a decent source type in the future ? 2570.62 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2572.288 2574.217 2572.33 2574.217 I haven't heard referred to since . But 2573.81 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2573.92 2574.496 2573.94 2574.46 Yeah . 2574.46 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2576.249 2578.444 2576.34 2578.39 But just talk about the micro-quasar . 2578.39 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2578.72 2581.312 2578.74 2581.312 Yeah , but they've made up that word . 2578.94 2581.01 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2580.141 2584.032 2580.141 2583.88 Yeah , I think you're right , they have ma 2582.36 2583.07 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2585.865 2597.897 2585.97 2597.68 Mm on the other hand if we're having hyper-luminous galaxies where , you know , they've just got ultra-luminous and oh , even more hyper-luminous . Well someone must have made that up for the first time . 2591.78 2591.98 2593.61 2596.0 2597.68 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2595.366 2596.064 2595.46 2595.98 Yeah . 2595.98 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2597.147 2602.326 2597.147 2602.22 But w do they what defines a micro-quasar ? 2602.22 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2600.357 2600.656 2600.39 2600.656 I think - EN2006b B FEE087 1 2602.956 2606.4 2603.01 2606.36 Same as a hyper-luminous galaxy being very very extreme . 2606.36 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2607.488 2609.216 2607.51 2609.08 But . 2609.08 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2607.749 2609.761 2608.02 2609.67 I guess keep it probably , yeah . 2609.34 2609.67 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2614.866 2636.672 2614.866 2636.61 I reckon a dwarf amorphous nuclei star burst galaxy , a dance , is a Yeah , okay . But what about the acronym because that's has that should be in . 2621.76 2622.5 2631.49 2632.04 2636.61 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2620.292 2622.969 2620.38 2622.79 No , they've made that one up certainly . I've never heard of that one before . 2620.45 2621.57 2622.79 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2622.588 2630.746 2622.82 2630.63 Uh yeah , you y there's not been more than one study of dwarf amorphous nuclear star burst galaxies . So that do we say we take that out ? 2623.38 2628.81 2630.63 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2627.968 2628.72 2627.99 2628.44 No . 2628.44 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2634.303 2636.739 2634.39 2636.68 Yep , that's it in it . So that's okay , yep . 2634.73 2635.63 2636.46 2636.68 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2638.688 2641.744 2638.688 2641.7 star burst nuclei . 2641.7 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2643.712 2645.017 2643.73 2644.84 You're right . Oh . 2644.48 2644.84 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2647.424 2648.336 2647.48 2648.28 The object . 2648.28 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2649.543 2650.824 2649.57 2650.824 Oh . 2650.21 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2650.351 2652.365 2650.48 2652.27 If it was star burst galaxies , it would be in there . 2651.72 2652.27 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2654.086 2659.584 2654.15 2659.584 Star burst nuclei refers to a region within an object which would not be observed separately . Um 2658.87 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2655.824 2660.176 2655.84 2660.14 Yeah , that's right . Yeah , I wouldn't , yeah . 2656.48 2658.15 2658.78 2659.8 2660.14 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2656.73 2658.197 2656.78 2658.197 Oops . 2658.01 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2660.624 2664.251 2660.81 2664.251 Yep , that's fine . 2661.28 2664.14 EN2006b D MEO086 3 2663.818 2671.691 2663.87 2671.691 Sorry , what what happened now ? So you you f you found that dwarf amorphous blah blah galaxies , that that's not a proper name ? But you still include the acronym ? Or 2664.09 2664.8 2668.45 2669.93 2671.17 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2663.8 2664.349 2663.9 2664.28 Okay . 2664.28 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2671.936 2677.888 2672.08 2677.888 Because the acronym has star burst in it uh galaxies in it , in the S_ , and if the acronym includes its 2675.08 2676.18 EN2006b D MEO086 3 2676.124 2680.612 2676.14 2680.56 Oh okay . Alright , okay . I see , mm-hmm . 2678.17 2678.61 2679.83 2680.26 2680.56 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2679.168 2680.142 2679.2 2680.11 Then it has to be in there . 2680.11 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2683.84 2685.549 2683.9 2685.32 Continuum flux you can have . 2685.32 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2685.766 2687.071 2685.82 2687.02 Mm-hmm . 2687.02 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2688.0 2692.296 2688.02 2692.296 U_V_ and optical emission line ratios . But 2691.94 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2691.264 2692.56 2691.4 2692.31 Yeah . 2692.31 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2693.488 2694.953 2693.54 2694.86 I think all of that goes then , doesn't it ? 2694.51 2694.86 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2700.901 2702.874 2700.97 2702.79 Surely . No . 2702.4 2702.79 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2701.28 2703.884 2701.3 2703.8 We wouldn't have line ratios . So yeah , that goes . 2702.84 2703.33 2703.8 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2703.129 2711.177 2703.27 2711.13 U_V_ and optical emi U_V_ and optical emission should be in there though . No , it shouldn't 'cause it it modifies the ratios . 2708.73 2708.83 2711.13 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2709.264 2710.437 2709.38 2710.35 No , I don't think anybody goes . 2709.52 2710.35 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2709.674 2711.644 2709.72 2711.59 Yeah . No , it modifies ratios . 2710.28 2710.58 2711.59 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2711.808 2712.193 2711.83 2712.1 Yeah . 2712.1 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2717.801 2730.221 2717.97 2730.221 Oh gosh , no emission l okay , so I've highlighted this in r red and then the whole thing in green because type two Seyfart galaxies are one . So I think that's right , as long as this is 2718.53 2720.84 2727.84 2729.25 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2718.901 2719.348 2719.05 2719.28 Mm . 2719.28 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2726.373 2728.503 2726.43 2728.42 Right . Yep , that's fine . 2727.69 2727.91 2728.42 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2731.255 2733.691 2731.28 2733.691 Plus red . Yeah . 2732.62 2733.58 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2740.258 2742.462 2740.32 2742.23 T_V_ gamma ray emission . 2742.23 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2746.704 2749.824 2746.76 2749.79 We weren't doing broad-band detections . Right . 2749.64 2749.79 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2747.422 2756.893 2747.51 2756.74 We weren't doing broad-band detections , yeah ? Using the . It is , yes . Very stupid , but it is . 2749.5 2750.96 2754.12 2754.56 2755.53 2756.22 2756.74 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2748.439 2749.395 2748.54 2749.29 Mm no . 2749.29 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2752.615 2754.836 2752.65 2754.77 That's definitely an instrument name . 2754.77 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2759.536 2760.912 2759.56 2760.87 Right , you're right there . 2759.86 2760.87 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2762.24 2765.936 2762.26 2765.77 F_B_S_ objects shouldn't be in there . 2765.77 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2766.272 2767.163 2766.29 2767.08 What does it mean ? 2767.08 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2769.36 2770.7 2769.38 2770.57 I don't know , but it's got object . 2769.7 2770.57 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2770.832 2771.536 2770.85 2771.49 Yep , you're right . 2771.16 2771.49 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2773.456 2780.528 2773.6 2780.46 And the MAMA scanning machine is an instrument , it's not a telescope , it's an instrument . 2778.32 2779.17 2780.46 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2777.28 2778.925 2777.38 2778.77 It's an instrument , yeah . 2778.47 2778.77 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2778.398 2781.23 2778.49 2781.13 Yeah . Okay . So you can have that . 2779.43 2780.4 2781.13 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2783.118 2788.487 2783.17 2788.41 Right . At the other one we stopped after four metre . So maybe we should do that there as well . 2785.06 2787.0 2788.41 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2786.75 2788.088 2787.01 2787.95 Oh yes , it should be . 2787.47 2787.95 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2792.211 2795.371 2792.29 2795.07 Narrow emission lines from high iron yeah . 2795.07 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2793.228 2795.31 2793.26 2795.2 Yeah . We did it this way before . 2793.9 2795.2 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2800.661 2801.8 2800.8 2801.71 Absorption features . 2801.71 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2807.242 2810.709 2807.3 2810.41 Weak continuum . That should be separate . 2809.5 2810.41 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2809.168 2810.309 2809.19 2810.14 Yeah , you're right . 2809.76 2810.14 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2812.672 2816.931 2812.672 2816.74 Continuum radiation . 2816.74 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2815.003 2816.883 2815.16 2816.75 Continuum radiation . 2816.75 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2819.104 2821.277 2819.13 2821.17 No . Neither . 2820.77 2821.17 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2820.091 2820.74 2820.21 2820.56 Neither . 2820.56 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2826.166 2826.914 2826.22 2826.62 Mm-hmm . 2826.62 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2826.615 2833.433 2826.66 2833.433 Narrow line region emission . Uh do you th I think that goes out . Yeah , we don't 2829.45 2832.83 2833.03 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2828.32 2828.642 2828.38 2828.59 Yep . 2828.59 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2830.156 2835.271 2830.29 2835.271 Oh , there's emission from the narrow line region , yeah . 2830.9 2832.57 2835.23 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2839.376 2842.28 2839.4 2841.75 Narrow line emission should be in . 2841.75 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2842.007 2842.398 2842.06 2842.3 Yep . 2842.3 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2845.712 2849.856 2845.78 2849.856 Uh yep , white dwarfs is a source type . 2846.97 2849.78 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2852.36 2859.561 2852.36 2859.561 Yeah , you're right . It is . Uh 2855.56 2857.31 2858.97 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2842.28 2864.304 2853.7 2864.12 F_V_ low BAL is a source type . Stupid Keckers . You used to b oh no , Keck observatory . Yes , we did decide Keck was going in . 2856.76 2859.03 2861.1 2861.88 2862.08 2864.12 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2863.136 2864.766 2863.16 2864.766 Keck is yeah . 2863.98 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2866.288 2873.861 2866.31 2873.79 Uh we didn't allow iron spectrum . So we shouldn't allow H_ or helium two O_ spectrum either . 2870.82 2873.79 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2874.768 2875.68 2874.79 2875.65 Yeah , that's right . 2875.19 2875.65 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2875.423 2877.952 2875.5 2877.64 At all , yep . And we shouldn't allow emission . 2876.33 2876.67 2877.64 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2879.248 2879.537 2879.27 2879.49 Yeah . 2879.49 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2881.338 2883.899 2881.44 2883.899 Iso-electronic . 2883.63 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2887.312 2887.68 2887.33 2887.59 Yeah . 2887.59 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2887.247 2893.339 2888.1 2893.01 Radio quasars ? Yeah . Oh , no , radio loud and radio quiet are . 2889.47 2890.77 2891.53 2891.66 2893.01 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2888.988 2891.093 2889.12 2891.02 Radio quasars are s type . 2891.02 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2894.183 2896.703 2894.23 2896.64 But radio quasars means radio loud quasars . 2896.64 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2897.16 2898.816 2897.16 2898.45 . Yeah . 2897.16 2898.45 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2900.909 2905.009 2900.93 2904.78 U_V_ accessors are right , isn't it ? It's a spectral feature . 2903.13 2903.8 2904.78 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2903.504 2904.429 2903.53 2904.3 Mm-hmm . 2904.3 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2908.349 2911.168 2908.349 2911.12 We weren't doing flat spectrum quasars , were we ? 2910.8 2911.12 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2911.65 2912.396 2911.76 2912.396 Um - EN2006b C FEE088 2 2912.8 2913.189 2912.82 2913.06 No . 2913.06 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2915.409 2916.049 2915.52 2916.01 Were we ? 2916.01 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2915.689 2923.167 2915.8 2923.05 Ye I think they're a separate class , yes . We're not putting them in spectral , but I think we are putting them in because it's so broad band . But yes , they are separate . 2917.5 2917.63 2918.94 2921.73 2922.01 2923.05 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2919.088 2919.572 2919.11 2919.4 Right . 2919.4 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2923.52 2927.984 2923.54 2927.73 Right . Uh you're right there . 2925.73 2927.73 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2930.401 2931.615 2930.48 2931.58 Line strengths . 2931.58 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2941.172 2942.756 2941.29 2942.69 No , you can't point to it , yeah . 2941.63 2942.45 2942.69 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2941.238 2942.918 2941.48 2942.76 Means equivalent widths , yeah . 2942.47 2942.76 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2945.936 2948.136 2946.06 2948.136 Uh I did mis-group - EN2006b B FEE087 1 2946.276 2947.563 2946.35 2947.5 Missed group . 2947.5 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2950.844 2952.806 2950.844 2952.73 Yep . 2952.73 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2950.723 2952.582 2950.86 2952.44 Subaru telescope , you're right . 2951.96 2952.44 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2955.044 2956.849 2955.23 2956.66 That's it . Hurray . 2955.91 2956.66 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2955.443 2961.072 2955.443 2960.81 It's under a proper name 'cause it's got a capital T_ . 2960.81 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2955.913 2959.018 2955.913 2958.75 Hey . Excellent . 2958.13 2958.75 EN2006b D MEO086 3 2956.864 2958.919 2957.01 2958.919 Hey , wow . 2957.22 2958.66 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2960.992 2961.36 2961.05 2961.32 Yeah . 2961.32 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2962.927 2963.76 2963.01 2963.61 Well , very good . 2963.3 2963.61 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2963.68 2967.344 2963.7 2967.13 Hurray , we're done . Excellent . 2964.65 2966.64 2967.13 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2964.449 2965.364 2964.55 2965.31 Wonderful . 2965.31 EN2006b D MEO086 3 2965.218 2968.16 2965.37 2968.09 Under two hours . Amazing . 2967.67 2968.09 EN2006b B FEE087 1 2968.233 2986.352 2968.28 2986.352 Well once we've got them identified , a lot of them were the same problem going round and round . Um where's the bin in here ? And more to the point , can I get to it without going ah , I can carry my little bits in the with me . Excuse me , camera , I need to find the bin . Um and there isn't one , is there ? 2969.53 2972.65 2975.39 2976.16 2977.86 2980.81 2981.2 2981.69 2983.07 2984.1 2985.47 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2970.48 2971.014 2970.5 2970.91 Yeah . 2970.91 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2971.133 2972.771 2971.133 2972.61 Yeah . Yeah . 2972.38 2972.61 EN2006b D MEO086 3 2972.425 2973.057 2972.55 2972.97 Yeah . 2972.97 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2977.569 2981.146 2977.64 2981.146 No , you can't . 2978.37 2980.99 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2983.344 2983.866 2983.4 2983.76 Oh . 2983.76 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2984.848 2986.887 2984.87 2986.77 Do we each remain wired up ? Are we done ? 2986.33 2986.77 EN2006b A MEE089 0 2986.555 2990.189 2986.555 2990.04 I think that's it , isn't it ? We're done ? Right . 2987.66 2988.76 2989.87 2990.04 EN2006b D MEO086 3 2987.282 2988.97 2987.35 2988.87 I th I think so , yeah . 2988.7 2988.87 EN2006b C FEE088 2 2989.168 2989.81 2989.23 2989.7 Excellent . 2989.7 EN2009b C MEE094 2 0.0 6.045 0.1 5.99 Uh yeah . So we've moved over and onto the other eye link . So uh 'cause she's running at the moment . 0.61 3.24 5.99 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1.854 37.277 1.99 37.277 Okay . Yeah . I mean m my view on this was that um the need for people to back up their data personally was made sufficiently clear to lab users . Um I mean I guess right , okay . As long as she admits it , then then that's fine . I I'm just thinking , you know , sometimes when there's a a process error like that , you think oh , then there's something we should change . Like make the sign in bigger red letters . But I in the our case , I don't think there's anything more we can do really . So Um well , I doubt anybody'll do that again 'cause that'll get around . So 3.32 4.19 13.04 15.66 16.25 17.21 18.6 19.48 19.64 22.27 22.74 23.84 26.37 27.56 30.18 32.02 35.19 EN2009b C MEE094 2 14.201 18.224 14.22 18.09 She did admit it . Yes . Uh-huh . 16.96 17.81 18.09 EN2009b C MEE094 2 29.687 30.66 29.73 30.34 Hmm . No . 30.07 30.34 EN2009b C MEE094 2 32.034 32.624 32.16 32.54 But ma - EN2009b C MEE094 2 34.487 54.256 34.487 54.22 Yes . Shock and worry at uh I think yeah , there's a there's a mailing list uh and mm-hmm , yeah . Uh F Frank went through it , deleted the people that were have gone or or whatever and replaced them . So the the eye the the list is now updated . 36.15 39.25 43.86 44.17 46.29 50.95 54.22 EN2009b A MEE095 0 35.968 41.598 36.16 41.46 Yeah . Yeah , we'll go we've got the mailing lists out now , isn't isn't it . So it's everyone should know about it now . 36.45 37.23 38.55 39.1 41.46 EN2009b B FEE083 1 41.536 45.19 41.56 45.14 Yeah , there was a mailing list before . They've just revived that , right ? 41.75 43.68 44.67 45.14 EN2009b B FEE083 1 51.692 52.583 51.74 52.48 Right , okay . 52.09 52.48 EN2009b A MEE095 0 54.343 62.633 54.43 62.633 Yeah . So so everyone on that list has now being reminded . Yeah , don't store anythi anything sensitive on yeah , don't store anything you you care about on the machines . So 54.64 57.12 57.39 59.39 62.27 EN2009b B FEE083 1 54.704 55.163 54.72 55.06 Uh-huh . 55.06 EN2009b C MEE094 2 57.394 58.068 57.47 58.03 Mm-hmm . 58.03 EN2009b B FEE083 1 60.894 70.766 60.894 70.766 Right . And we don't know so there's every chance of this falling over again if it's a hardware thing , right . But there's not much we can do about that apart from 64.02 68.36 68.78 EN2009b C MEE094 2 62.208 65.376 62.23 65.376 Mm-hmm . Yes uh 63.41 EN2009b A MEE095 0 68.365 87.886 68.365 87.78 Yeah , with the yeah , I mean I di I di I did do hard dri hard drive check um and a memory check , and it says there's no uh there's no problems , but something caused it to go wrong in the first place . So we don't know , we don't know . We'll just fingers crossed and hope ho yeah ho hope that all this is just a software thing that we can just fix like that and that'll be it . 68.88 71.1 74.98 76.92 79.32 80.84 81.3 87.78 EN2009b B FEE083 1 74.042 74.408 74.11 74.37 Right . 74.37 EN2009b B FEE083 1 77.509 80.285 77.57 80.2 Yeah . Why is uh-huh . Yeah , yeah . 78.95 79.66 79.88 80.2 EN2009b C MEE094 2 81.616 82.264 81.89 82.23 Mm-hmm . 82.23 EN2009b B FEE083 1 83.52 83.921 83.54 83.83 Uh-huh . 83.83 EN2009b B FEE083 1 87.92 99.305 88.02 99.12 Yeah . So how long does this put you back for ? Is it you know . How much disruption does this cause ? D is this a day ? Two days ? Day and a bit ? Yeah . Uh-huh . 88.43 90.44 92.12 93.5 94.81 96.58 97.24 98.78 99.12 EN2009b C MEE094 2 92.245 93.12 92.32 93.09 Hmm . 93.09 EN2009b C MEE094 2 94.816 105.353 94.84 105.353 Yeah . We're doing a bit . See last week by the time everything and and then it'll be hopefully no more than , I don't know what , twenty minutes today to 95.46 96.3 101.42 102.02 EN2009b A MEE095 0 98.736 99.569 98.76 99.48 Yeah , yeah . 99.2 99.48 EN2009b A MEE095 0 103.664 115.795 103.76 115.795 Yeah , I mean there's there's so what we yeah , one one for one . One we'll try and get done today , yeah , get get Windows back on there . Try and get Camtasia on there and get that tested out , and then that will be I think that's everything we need f before we can before you can start running the experiments , isn't it . So 103.94 105.0 105.82 106.77 106.93 108.42 110.57 114.04 115.38 EN2009b B FEE083 1 104.705 106.326 104.79 106.09 To actually do the re-install . You c 105.94 EN2009b C MEE094 2 110.864 111.44 110.93 111.38 Hmm . 111.38 EN2009b C MEE094 2 114.339 114.73 114.48 114.7 Yep . 114.7 EN2009b B FEE083 1 114.73 128.864 114.79 128.75 Mm-hmm . And I saw uh a bunch of stuff about software updates . That's un unrelated to this problem , right ? Um the Eye-Link . I c I didn't read 'em . I saw like five messages go back and forth . Maybe they were under the wrong subject header . 115.41 118.13 119.75 121.39 122.16 123.45 125.8 128.75 EN2009b C MEE094 2 118.135 123.6 118.29 123.6 I i yeah . You mean from was that Joe ? Or is that 120.05 122.02 EN2009b C MEE094 2 129.312 145.427 129.312 145.35 Um there was nothing nothing over last week . Joe has uh produced another version of the uh model builder and put that up . Uh well that wa that was Ruud well a few weeks ago . But yeah . Yep , it's unrelated . 132.86 139.2 141.9 144.16 144.69 145.35 EN2009b B FEE083 1 130.694 132.39 130.73 132.39 So anyway , we have well 131.12 EN2009b B FEE083 1 137.52 138.958 137.54 138.89 Oh no , I mean the Eye-Link software . 137.81 138.89 EN2009b B FEE083 1 142.236 147.724 142.28 147.724 So it's unrelated , it's not that right . Okay , good . Um 143.23 145.46 145.84 147.18 EN2009b C MEE094 2 147.61 154.269 147.74 154.2 And was r was running . 'Cause Frank did all that because he then had an experiment . So he's run an experiment and it's all worked . 149.08 151.77 154.2 EN2009b B FEE083 1 153.6 160.171 153.62 160.13 Yeah . So uh i uh did he get his data in ? Or is this put his schedule back ? 155.23 158.39 160.13 EN2009b A MEE095 0 155.043 155.434 155.09 155.37 Yep . 155.37 EN2009b C MEE094 2 160.244 169.536 160.244 169.536 Uh he's he's done his and got his and yes . And he backs up anyway . 164.1 169.19 EN2009b B FEE083 1 162.308 163.323 162.34 163.26 He's done it , okay . 162.88 163.26 EN2009b A MEE095 0 165.064 167.228 165.064 167.07 Yep . 167.07 EN2009b B FEE083 1 165.261 178.186 165.261 178.186 Right . Um well unfortunate , but it sounds like um you guys are well placed for dealing with it . So better you than me . 170.18 172.12 175.04 178.11 EN2009b C MEE094 2 174.992 181.408 174.992 181.408 Maybe too well placed , yeah . 179.64 181.12 EN2009b A MEE095 0 176.93 216.079 177.04 216.079 Yep , yep . Uh but uh yeah . No , I have to manage to get at things working on on Monday . So that that everything went down like on the Tuesday morning . Um so my m I should get everything working on the um , yeah , on Monday , so sure that the J_C_T_ is actually working , collaborating collaborating between the two machines . Um I had dinner I wasn't actually at dinner but I d have the eye tracker stuff working , 'cause it was just me running roun running round the lab . Um still have to once it's re-installed have to actually do a proper p yeah , of proper pilot and yeah . Yeah . But um but it loo it looks like it was doing all the calibration and drift correction things that s Ellen was wanting on it . So So that don't think there's anything to add to the software for that part . Um 177.4 178.06 181.5 181.65 183.46 185.95 189.05 189.18 189.59 191.3 193.56 197.1 198.99 202.53 205.87 206.41 210.92 215.74 EN2009b B FEE083 1 192.838 193.545 192.88 193.38 Yeah . 193.38 EN2009b B FEE083 1 202.217 207.181 202.32 207.181 Oh so you need to borrow somebody's head and mouth and stuff to to run it , right . And 205.64 206.63 EN2009b C MEE094 2 202.593 203.018 202.69 202.81 Yep . 202.81 EN2009b B FEE083 1 211.856 212.391 211.88 212.34 Yeah . 212.34 EN2009b B FEE083 1 214.928 234.871 214.96 234.77 Mm-hmm . So I've got a new um trainee who might need amusement at some point . So if you need to borrow a head that talks that doesn't necessarily need to do much else , I'll th I'll ask her if she'd mind coming down and helping you out for uh a while . But I guess Ellen was gonna be your the p the person who yeah , your spare head . Right . 216.5 219.82 224.43 228.27 232.06 234.5 234.77 EN2009b C MEE094 2 230.727 237.994 230.83 237.994 Wh a spare head ? Or Uh yes , but she's not around . So uh 231.94 234.96 235.98 EN2009b B FEE083 1 236.7 248.832 236.78 248.75 Yeah . So um uh mine is well , she's actually climbing Ben Nevis today , I think . But uh she'll be uh back tomorrow . Her name's Nynke . Did you guys meet her ? 237.19 240.65 242.94 244.73 247.16 247.89 248.75 EN2009b A MEE095 0 249.728 251.276 249.75 251.21 Don't think so . Mm . 250.95 251.21 EN2009b C MEE094 2 251.536 254.531 251.56 254.2 Nynke . Mm-hmm . 253.38 254.2 EN2009b B FEE083 1 253.049 262.027 253.09 262.027 This seems the sort of thing that people might might find i find amusing to look at . So um I I'll I'll see if if she'd be willing to 256.94 EN2009b A MEE095 0 253.289 255.55 253.31 255.55 Don't s don't sound don't sound familiar . 255.37 EN2009b C MEE094 2 256.016 257.229 256.016 257.229 . 257.229 EN2009b C MEE094 2 261.513 274.729 261.66 274.55 Mm . Well I did meet uh uh uh uh someone from another project of yours on Wednesday evening it was . Hei Heidi , who is the gesture of autism . Yeah , mm-hmm . 262.46 269.32 270.85 274.04 274.29 274.55 EN2009b B FEE083 1 269.072 279.147 269.09 279.01 Oh , who is that ? Oh yeah , Heidi . Oh yeah , she's good . You guys might actually have something in common 'cause she does , well , you know , stuff for the video coding and gesturing . 269.23 270.71 271.14 272.99 273.31 274.43 276.91 277.22 277.53 279.01 EN2009b C MEE094 2 278.878 279.402 278.9 279.36 Mm yep . 279.36 EN2009b B FEE083 1 282.048 283.185 282.07 283.185 And autism . But 282.89 EN2009b C MEE094 2 282.72 284.1 282.9 283.94 And autism , yeah . 283.38 283.94 EN2009b B FEE083 1 284.5 285.565 284.54 285.52 So , okay . 285.02 285.52 EN2009b B FEE083 1 287.12 305.68 287.14 305.68 Uh right , what am I writing . Uh okay , Nynke to volunteer . Well uh no uh I will actually give her the the option . But um it sounds like the kind of thing where , you know , I think it's quite useful when you're at that stage to see the different kinds of technologies people use . So 288.42 290.01 291.16 293.22 296.24 299.41 299.66 305.19 EN2009b C MEE094 2 290.496 297.191 290.496 297.191 Yes . Sh she's been volunteered . 291.44 297.14 EN2009b A MEE095 0 304.88 315.115 304.97 314.93 Yeah . Yeah , so I'll try and try and get Camtasia up and running so I can try it out when when when we've got her coming in . And we'll just sort of do a run-through of proper pilot just to just just so I can see th 305.71 305.86 311.06 EN2009b B FEE083 1 311.259 311.634 311.35 311.53 Yeah . 311.53 EN2009b C MEE094 2 313.981 321.238 314.01 321.238 Yep , make sure it uh it starts and finishes when it's meant to and that sort of thing as well . 314.27 320.96 EN2009b B FEE083 1 319.451 319.905 319.51 319.83 Mm-hmm . 319.83 EN2009b A MEE095 0 319.424 333.124 319.56 333.02 Yep . Yep . Um yeah , I'll make sure make sure they can actually pick up the f um audio signal as well . Uh so but uh it should be the yeah , the audio signal should be coming out the speakers once it's set up properly . So that should that should make that slightly easier . 320.29 320.68 321.23 326.15 327.99 330.62 333.02 EN2009b C MEE094 2 324.832 327.052 324.95 326.99 Mm-hmm . Uh yep . 326.25 326.99 EN2009b B FEE083 1 333.744 334.169 333.77 334.09 Mm-hmm . 334.09 EN2009b C MEE094 2 333.716 354.43 333.92 354.43 Uh yes , with the um the bleep was a hardware bleep originally . And so it comes from the P_C_ , which is outside the sound-proof box . Yes . H-Mm-hmm . It comes through the 334.47 338.01 339.32 346.19 352.2 352.7 EN2009b B FEE083 1 341.04 349.531 341.2 349.531 Oops . Well , you found that then . 344.66 344.91 349.0 EN2009b A MEE095 0 346.065 363.703 346.09 363.54 Yeah , yep . Uh but yeah , so they're fortunate have speakers o on the monitors inside the room . So as long as and what we'll have done is just gonna set up so the uh whatever the asterisk sound is on Windows is what gets played . So so just change sound to whatever you like , just go through the Windows control panel . 346.43 347.95 349.24 352.01 359.43 362.2 363.54 EN2009b B FEE083 1 360.124 360.623 360.17 360.53 Right . 360.53 EN2009b B FEE083 1 364.384 369.256 364.42 368.85 Okay . So we want one you can pick up using Matlab or something , right ? Aye ? 365.03 368.39 368.82 368.85 EN2009b A MEE095 0 368.434 403.34 368.52 403.34 Yep , yeah so I'll I'll have that running over the weekend . Um so la last week I tried it with a one kilo-hertz sound . Um and it was it c it could detect it , but it wasn't but but it wasn't very clear . Did it with ten kilo-hertz and it's just really clear , where you can tell exactly where exactly where the beep is now . So yeah . So tha it's ju just a matter of um yeah , you just ba basically just play it , just play a ten kilo-hertz sound over the over the speech and then just um compare the two signals basically . Um so I've I've got a little script for doing it . So So Yeah , yeah . Yep , yep , not a problem . 368.79 371.03 374.26 376.54 378.81 381.13 383.69 384.54 386.96 388.02 393.83 395.46 398.99 399.82 400.6 400.75 403.27 EN2009b C MEE094 2 368.676 369.541 368.79 369.35 Yeah , yep . 369.2 369.35 EN2009b B FEE083 1 381.622 383.618 381.71 383.5 Okay . Perfect . 383.04 383.5 EN2009b B FEE083 1 395.58 407.232 395.64 407.13 Perfect . So or you're gonna bank the script some place and tell us how to run it . Uh-huh . 'Cause we won't know . Right . Well that all sounds good . 396.2 400.5 401.31 405.29 406.27 407.13 EN2009b C MEE094 2 400.321 404.514 400.4 404.514 Mm-hmm . No . 402.01 404.0 EN2009b C MEE094 2 406.535 417.904 406.68 417.904 Uh um what else ? you have altered the um task programme because uh to put the um little eye icon and the mouse uh to make it 408.5 EN2009b A MEE095 0 415.884 425.131 415.98 425.05 Yep , yeah , the the one the one in just installed should have that now . Um we'll double we'll double-check and re-install on software on the on the um eye tracking machines . But yeah , it should uh should be updated without any . 416.37 416.6 418.92 423.38 423.82 425.05 EN2009b A MEE095 0 426.361 426.808 426.39 426.808 So - EN2009b C MEE094 2 426.115 434.791 426.39 434.7 Rather than just a blob uh Ellen wanted something to look more like an eye so that you knew that was the eye . There was like yeah , mm-hmm . 433.22 433.81 434.7 EN2009b B FEE083 1 433.056 434.746 433.1 434.56 Oh really ? Oh okay . 434.04 434.56 EN2009b A MEE095 0 434.928 443.027 434.95 442.92 Yeah , so so so we've got like uh a big circle with a white circle in the middle of it for an eye . And we got like a rectangle with two like rectangle buttons on it for a mouse . 435.14 439.08 442.92 EN2009b B FEE083 1 443.952 449.616 444.01 449.44 Uh-huh , okay . Very nice , very pretty . It doesn't get in the way of seeing what's underneath ? 444.35 445.48 446.02 447.82 449.44 EN2009b A MEE095 0 445.022 448.196 445.04 448.196 So - EN2009b A MEE095 0 449.837 459.109 449.9 459.109 Uh no , they're they're they're the same size as the as the original blobs basically . But um so they uh yeah , I think the mouse is slightly bigger , but it's not , you know , it's not it's not hugely bigger . So 450.16 453.04 454.65 455.67 456.43 456.72 457.72 EN2009b B FEE083 1 451.861 452.895 451.91 452.78 Version one . Mm-hmm . 452.51 452.78 EN2009b B FEE083 1 456.768 461.958 456.79 461.76 It's not too bad . Uh-huh . I c I can I can see where that's useful . No . 458.09 458.77 461.59 461.76 EN2009b A MEE095 0 460.928 466.917 460.95 466.917 Yeah . And if it ever ever gets to be a problem in the pilot I can easily reduce the size of whatever . 'Cause that's not too hard . So 461.34 465.68 466.63 EN2009b B FEE083 1 464.095 465.845 464.18 465.7 Just change it . Mm-hmm . 465.46 465.7 EN2009b C MEE094 2 466.528 475.274 466.55 475.2 Want it a reasonable size so that if they're looking at it we know they're looking at it though . So you has to be a a reasonable target uh for the for the tracking purposes . 470.47 475.2 EN2009b A MEE095 0 472.199 472.69 472.32 472.59 Yeah . 472.59 EN2009b A MEE095 0 475.891 476.623 475.97 476.49 Yep , . 476.49 476.49 EN2009b B FEE083 1 476.165 487.979 476.2 487.979 Yeah . Although if if you had a big thing and it was jiggling around like anybody's business , like real eye track traces , then you might find that a little bit disconcerting . I mean small things you kind of expect to jiggle around , right . But 477.63 480.85 482.04 484.85 486.78 487.61 EN2009b C MEE094 2 487.2 500.188 487.22 500.188 Mm-hmm . With large mm yeah , I suppose the larger more oscillation appears that um it's not w I mean uh it isn't it isn't it isn't that big . So Yeah . 488.24 489.3 496.54 500.08 EN2009b B FEE083 1 494.357 503.712 494.357 503.57 It'll look like it's quivering , you know . Yeah , but well , that's all fine . . 498.06 500.65 501.05 501.86 503.57 503.57 EN2009b A MEE095 0 495.783 499.16 495.783 499.16 Yeah . 499.06 EN2009b B FEE083 1 506.643 507.36 506.66 507.26 What else ? 507.26 EN2009b A MEE095 0 508.592 509.916 508.72 509.73 Uh I'll try it . 509.73 EN2009b B FEE083 1 509.086 510.85 509.19 510.72 You were saying Joe with the model builder . 510.72 EN2009b C MEE094 2 511.072 547.679 511.072 547.5 Uh yes , he's produced an another version that doesn't uh have the overlap problem . You know , there was the yeah , the collisions . The polygons now don't overlap . Um Marloes discovered something strange about the orientation of parallelograms from when it was constructed to when it appears in the um actual task . But I think that might be something to do with the original configuration than the parts that weren't the same across the two . So I'll check that out uh to see if it really is a problem or not . 511.84 519.27 519.55 520.93 521.85 524.73 536.56 544.26 547.5 EN2009b B FEE083 1 518.516 521.418 518.516 521.34 Oh , remind me . Oh yes . Okay . 519.72 520.14 520.93 521.34 EN2009b B FEE083 1 523.552 524.203 523.62 524.11 Oh that's good . 524.11 EN2009b B FEE083 1 547.904 548.529 547.92 548.42 Oh okay . 548.42 EN2009b C MEE094 2 547.679 575.616 548.04 575.57 And basically the parallelogram was appearing in a sort of as a mirror image of what it was like in the uh model builder in the actual yeah . Just total it flipped uh in in a mirror image . Not rotated . So it wasn't anything to do with rotation . It was f yeah , just the parallelogram . So uh entirely sure . Must be some way of how the vertices were described or uh defined in one way or compared to something else . 557.86 560.08 560.74 562.35 563.83 565.62 568.07 575.57 EN2009b B FEE083 1 556.384 556.968 556.4 556.84 Really ? 556.84 EN2009b B FEE083 1 562.288 563.536 562.31 563.5 Just the parallelogram . 563.5 EN2009b B FEE083 1 575.808 599.253 575.808 599.253 Right . Okay , so you your job in this is to um ensure that it actually is a bug and then pass it to Joe ? Okay . That makes sense . I mean the this geometry stuff is really tricky if you don't do the fold the boxes stuff in your head well , so I can imagine . 'Cause I could get it backwards easily , you know , and so it is just as well for w for you to check this . 576.41 576.67 584.66 585.44 586.41 591.48 593.5 595.14 595.6 599.15 EN2009b C MEE094 2 583.857 584.639 583.94 584.6 Joe , yep . 584.33 584.6 EN2009b C MEE094 2 593.008 628.685 593.14 628.685 Well uh mm-hmm . Yes . Uh the other thing we've done is uh looked at n not uh for this current experiment but for future , when we've got to build um bizarre parts like air-craft wings and and things , uh something like X_ fig uh can output the vertex points um for creating the air the actual polygons in the first place . 'Cause the model builder um assumes that there's an existing set of of original parts . So you need to draw them in the first place . So 598.28 598.94 605.44 610.75 620.46 626.84 628.33 EN2009b B FEE083 1 617.583 618.526 617.65 618.49 Uh-huh . Yeah , yeah . 617.93 618.11 618.49 EN2009b B FEE083 1 625.593 632.0 625.66 631.73 Yeah , so you need to draw 'em in something . Oh , so yeah , I suggested you do that in X_ fig . Is that a reasonable thing to do or no ? 626.02 627.78 628.05 628.54 629.91 631.73 EN2009b C MEE094 2 630.83 632.329 631.0 632.21 It it i yes . 632.21 EN2009b A MEE095 0 631.403 641.488 631.51 641.37 Yeah , yeah . So so you can you can do it in X_ fig , export them as S_V_G_ , and you just get a you just get a list of X_Y_ coordinates . Um and then I'll just write in a little script that turns those X_Y_ coordinates into a part . 631.7 631.91 633.4 635.04 637.98 641.37 EN2009b B FEE083 1 635.975 636.856 636.01 636.69 Yep , mm-hmm . 636.33 636.69 EN2009b B FEE083 1 641.76 647.612 641.78 647.4 Yeah . So this is this falls down completely if Nijmegen can't run X_ fig . So you better check that with 'em , right ? 642.25 646.21 647.23 647.4 EN2009b C MEE094 2 647.171 650.016 647.26 650.016 W or something i i uh uh - EN2009b A MEE095 0 647.279 651.28 647.35 651.19 Well the thing is it's S_V_G_ . So so long as I've got something that will output S_V_G_ . 648.63 651.19 EN2009b B FEE083 1 649.989 650.338 650.12 650.338 But - EN2009b B FEE083 1 651.183 655.266 651.24 655.16 Okay , but they may need help finding the something if they can't do X_ fig , I suppose . 651.64 654.61 655.16 EN2009b A MEE095 0 654.923 663.34 655.11 663.34 Yeah , yeah . So I'll als I'll also have a look have a look at that . But the there's there must be plenty of Windows things for th that I o output S_V_G_ . Min uh I kno I know I know 655.43 655.64 657.31 661.87 EN2009b C MEE094 2 659.74 663.26 659.81 663.26 Yeah . So it must be a some sort of pink package . Uh 660.27 662.68 EN2009b B FEE083 1 662.845 666.279 662.9 666.279 Microsoft though ? I mean well , what kinds of 664.29 665.71 EN2009b A MEE095 0 665.602 684.228 665.66 684.1 Um I kn I know Adobe and things have faculties that do it . But obviously they're like a few hundred pounds . Um so , oth but other I I'd b I'd be very surprised if there wasn't a free package for doing it . Um I ha I have a feeling that the um Amaya , the W_ three C_ browser , does it . Have a feeling that that can actually edit S_V_G_ files . 668.12 670.14 671.18 674.52 678.83 680.81 681.55 684.1 EN2009b B FEE083 1 669.067 670.414 669.14 670.414 They are the paid . Yeah and 669.82 EN2009b B FEE083 1 675.12 675.639 675.18 675.52 Uh-huh . 675.52 EN2009b B FEE083 1 680.224 680.999 680.24 680.91 Yep , mm-hmm . 680.62 680.91 EN2009b B FEE083 1 683.643 706.195 683.69 706.195 Okay . So I wouldn't do any any work to find out what'll output S_V_G_ . Just ask them , look , you know say we you need something that does S_V_G_ and then um if they if they come back and say ha , then y you may need to poodle around a bit looking for something . But uh you know , let them let them say they've got a problem before you um spend time trying to figure out what'll do it . 'Cause 684.21 688.17 689.25 689.61 695.99 699.02 699.92 705.84 EN2009b A MEE095 0 699.055 699.736 699.12 699.7 Yep , yep . 699.43 699.7 EN2009b C MEE094 2 701.632 702.077 701.76 702.03 Yeah . 702.03 EN2009b C MEE094 2 704.369 704.816 704.55 704.71 Yeah . 704.71 EN2009b C MEE094 2 705.71 718.867 705.76 718.68 Yeah . And it's not it's not an immediate problem anyway . But I thought it was worth before Joe disappears just checking that the model builder's not restricted to just doing the tamgrams . Or something tha you know . So uh no it does look like it's uh M_S_N_ . 705.99 707.8 714.25 715.65 718.68 EN2009b A MEE095 0 705.968 706.758 706.03 706.66 Yep , fair enough . 706.32 706.66 EN2009b B FEE083 1 714.589 715.572 714.72 715.49 Uh-huh . Yeah , yeah . 715.0 715.2 715.49 EN2009b B FEE083 1 718.058 731.732 718.12 731.59 Oh , so well I can imagine there being uh shapes that you could construct in S_V_G_ format that would fox the model builder in some way . I don't know , I mean it 'cause you don't have specs about what sorts of shapes are allowed , right ? 718.32 727.46 727.9 731.33 731.59 EN2009b C MEE094 2 732.257 735.916 732.33 735.87 Um no , but as long as they're solid polygons it should be alright . 733.31 735.87 EN2009b B FEE083 1 736.519 742.605 736.61 742.57 Um right , it doesn't matter whether they're um convex or concave in funny ways . 737.4 742.57 EN2009b C MEE094 2 740.82 751.821 740.82 751.821 Uh no , it sh well uh uh hopefully that's not what the parallelogram problem is . Because it it does have sort of sum of angles and things . But uh no , as far as uh I mean it 741.76 745.92 749.45 750.3 EN2009b B FEE083 1 748.176 749.465 748.21 749.31 Yeah , ex 748.99 EN2009b A MEE095 0 749.303 765.251 749.46 765.251 Yeah . Um when will yeah but no I'll I'll create a c I'll create a convex part um just so next week um ju yeah , but it just it it just just happened to be a convex part that I was that I was I was playing with . So it it handled that fine . Um it didn't have any self-intersections , so that might be a problem . So I'll just have to have check that . But 750.21 754.73 757.9 759.6 762.16 763.25 764.93 EN2009b C MEE094 2 754.105 756.018 754.21 755.8 Mm-hmm . Yeah . 755.63 755.8 EN2009b B FEE083 1 754.737 756.3 754.85 756.16 And you tried it . Yeah . Yeah , yeah . 755.55 755.79 755.95 756.16 EN2009b C MEE094 2 758.349 760.103 758.45 760.02 Or part of it was convex . Yeah . 759.7 760.02 EN2009b B FEE083 1 765.576 771.213 765.95 771.213 Would we want by self-intersection you mean you could - EN2009b A MEE095 0 769.535 774.287 769.6 774.06 Yeah , by by a by a part of it crosses over itself . Um s so it's sorta like a b 769.91 772.36 EN2009b B FEE083 1 772.816 773.635 772.84 773.635 You mean like - EN2009b C MEE094 2 772.825 785.325 772.95 785.325 I y yeah , but that's why uh we no , we'll only be working as I say with sort of solid obvious polygons and as parts . 'Cause they'll have they'll have to have a central point anyway for for rotation and and grabbing . But 773.57 774.59 779.07 784.98 EN2009b B FEE083 1 779.295 780.143 779.34 780.03 Yeah . Yeah , yeah . 779.59 779.75 780.03 EN2009b B FEE083 1 783.918 796.358 783.99 796.32 Well but by self-intersection here , I'll draw here , if I can find the right end of the pen . Y do you mean something like that ? Yeah . A and you can rule out something like that , right . 'Cause that's two parts for you . 785.42 785.89 788.72 790.86 792.32 794.81 795.05 796.32 EN2009b A MEE095 0 790.432 792.837 790.53 792.837 Yeah , that sort of thing . Yeah . So 790.94 791.43 792.16 EN2009b C MEE094 2 790.918 791.776 791.07 791.74 Mm-hmm . 791.74 EN2009b C MEE094 2 794.786 798.018 794.91 797.94 Well uh uh realise what we're I would consider that two parts , yep . 797.71 797.94 EN2009b B FEE083 1 797.846 804.295 797.9 804.295 Yeah . Um I mean you know , some f rainy day you might wanna think about 798.66 800.07 EN2009b B FEE083 1 806.432 815.685 806.48 815.07 Well , I don't know . I mean it you know , later on we can fix it if it if it turns out those parts it's not urgent now . I think this isn't important enough . Yeah . 806.79 807.32 807.95 812.02 814.81 815.07 EN2009b A MEE095 0 807.373 810.484 807.46 810.27 Yeah . If if it if it becomes a yeah . 807.71 810.27 EN2009b C MEE094 2 812.146 813.318 812.24 813.23 Yeah . Yep . 813.01 813.23 EN2009b A MEE095 0 814.096 852.981 814.18 852.88 Yep . Yeah , so for now we'll just just assume that non-interse non-intersecting um and um yeah , and then there's this at the moment the e the S_V_G_ stuff can output ones which aren't closed polygons . But um ones ones you ones that actually had turn up into parts list uh it creates a closed polygon by linking the l end point to the start point . So so uh , yeah , so as long as long as they're yeah , so so so as long as they're they're drawn well enough , it should be alright . So um but yeah , suppose let Nijmegen uh find their find their own S_V_G_ , sort of find something that does S_V_G_ and then we'll see if there's any problems . 814.98 815.19 820.55 825.41 833.56 836.32 836.51 838.36 840.64 841.99 846.44 850.55 852.88 EN2009b C MEE094 2 831.584 832.962 831.7 832.9 The last point to the yeah . 832.9 EN2009b B FEE083 1 833.264 835.639 833.28 835.47 Yep , mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 833.66 835.13 835.47 EN2009b B FEE083 1 842.128 842.509 842.16 842.37 Uh-huh . 842.37 EN2009b C MEE094 2 845.161 845.594 845.28 845.5 Yep . 845.5 EN2009b B FEE083 1 850.318 868.059 850.35 867.88 Yeah . But but but if they have trouble , you know , half an hour googling and helping helping them is probably worthwhile . 'Cause someti sometimes people I mean it actually I would e I wouldn't expect them to have any trouble finding something 'cause J_P_ is quite up with all the all these things . So Um are th 851.56 853.79 854.58 857.7 864.49 EN2009b C MEE094 2 850.544 851.665 850.84 851.55 Yes , yeah . 851.25 851.55 EN2009b A MEE095 0 857.76 858.492 857.83 858.37 Yeah , yeah . 858.15 858.37 EN2009b C MEE094 2 862.844 864.56 863.04 864.51 J_P_ is quite yeah , uh-huh . 864.16 864.51 EN2009b A MEE095 0 865.28 865.642 865.3 865.56 Yeah . 865.56 EN2009b A MEE095 0 867.248 873.027 867.3 873.027 But it mi it might be worth just checking what software they are using 'cause it might crea it might create outputs slightly different from X_ fig . So 872.67 EN2009b B FEE083 1 872.624 906.558 872.66 906.558 Well , you let's um encourage them not to use um any software that might have idiosyncratic ideas about what S_V_G_ is . She says delicately . I have no ooh , that I wasn't gonna say . I I have no idea whether they have idiosyncratic S_V_G_ output or whether but um their track their track record could uh on some of the other standards has not there have been slightly strange things about it . So Um but in my uh you know , I mean , they sh that should be if 873.09 880.29 881.59 886.62 887.96 900.29 904.12 904.81 EN2009b C MEE094 2 881.116 889.217 881.116 889.217 Yes . The Microsoft version of S_V_G_ or something . Yes uh-huh . 883.87 886.09 889.14 EN2009b C MEE094 2 892.96 894.641 893.05 894.641 I have no idea either . Uh 894.49 EN2009b A MEE095 0 901.344 901.717 901.36 901.62 Yeah . 901.62 EN2009b A MEE095 0 906.221 915.832 906.29 915.832 That should that should be fun . Yeah , I think it does S_V_J_ uh S_V_J_ output . Um so I'll I ca I can easy double-check if uh Nijmegen can't find anything . So 907.19 907.86 910.65 915.54 EN2009b B FEE083 1 914.848 915.357 914.87 915.17 Mm-hmm . 915.17 EN2009b B FEE083 1 917.293 927.789 917.35 927.69 Um yeah . I haven't looked through other mail . I did see something from Marloes . Is there anything they're waiting on from us that is a problem or i they reasonably happy at the moment ? 919.38 921.23 922.42 927.69 EN2009b C MEE094 2 926.428 959.66 926.65 959.57 Nope . Uh I think they've um they're not waiting anything from us . Uh they've dumped the pilot , the pilot studies that they generated based on the task with their English participants , or English speaking participants . Yeah . Uh but they haven't done anything with it other than dump the data . Uh they well , they dumped it on the mm B_S_C_ C_W_ server . But I've moved well , I haven't moved it , I've copied it onto the C_S_V_ , yeah . 927.58 932.45 935.26 941.97 943.33 943.51 948.27 948.96 954.23 955.39 956.09 959.33 959.57 EN2009b B FEE083 1 942.327 944.0 942.37 943.96 Oh , they've done the pilots ? Oh good . 942.53 943.49 943.96 EN2009b B FEE083 1 946.72 949.033 946.77 948.88 Dumped the data . Where is it dumped ? 947.98 948.88 EN2009b B FEE083 1 952.151 953.623 952.22 953.623 B_S_C_W_ . 953.12 EN2009b B FEE083 1 958.049 984.384 958.11 984.35 Well that's okay . You know , we're not using that much space if it's just for interim . And they have to get out to us some way . Um uh we had a uh brief discussion just before I left about uh this idea of exchanging data by fire-wire drive and I do I don't know if that ever got resolved . But you know , that's not that's not fast enough for little things like this . So I think B_S_C_W_ is the right way to exchange these . We just have to wipe this stuff off and keep separate copies after that . 958.83 959.12 961.38 963.05 974.78 976.73 978.86 981.03 984.35 EN2009b C MEE094 2 962.592 962.929 962.61 962.85 Yep . 962.85 EN2009b C MEE094 2 974.903 976.507 974.97 976.507 Nothing further is - EN2009b C MEE094 2 979.184 983.216 979.28 983.216 No . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Uh 979.55 980.55 983.08 EN2009b C MEE094 2 984.64 1022.972 984.7 1022.9 And I've uh sent a thing off to Marloes talk trying to encourage her again to register for the C_S_V_ and uh and what to the C_V_S_ and uh wha what to do and uh which bit of software I use that seems to be quite easy and simple . Yep . Nope . Well yes and no , as in yes , it's new , and no , I haven't got a problem . Yep . Oh so far . Yeah . Uh-huh . Uh y yes . Uh and I am just using it through um a Windows bolt-on sort of piece of software . 1002.93 1004.23 1005.78 1006.54 1007.23 1007.75 1008.56 1009.42 1011.64 1012.67 1013.62 1013.81 1015.33 1022.9 EN2009b B FEE083 1 993.168 994.009 993.19 993.88 The C_V_S_ . 993.88 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1001.328 1006.49 1001.35 1006.37 Oh , so you're managing that okay , and you haven't run into C_V_S_ before . Okay . Well good . 1001.44 1002.54 1004.82 1005.82 1006.37 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1008.62 1009.26 1008.64 1009.22 Yeah , yeah , yeah . 1008.83 1009.0 1009.22 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1010.704 1012.088 1010.73 1012.04 Well that's that's reassuring . 1012.04 EN2009b A MEE095 0 1012.445 1016.754 1012.445 1016.754 Yeah . Yeah . 1013.96 1016.61 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1013.55 1017.5 1013.6 1017.5 Course he's sitting on the next desk . 1017.13 EN2009b A MEE095 0 1023.078 1026.813 1023.15 1026.78 Yeah , but other than that that was easy enough to install though , wasn't it . It was yeah . 1023.48 1025.42 1025.71 1026.78 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1025.774 1034.643 1025.84 1034.58 Yeah . No I've just yeah , straight-forward and then you just right right yeah , r and right click things in in Windows Explorer . That's it . 1026.34 1027.44 1030.05 1034.24 1034.58 EN2009b A MEE095 0 1028.672 1031.168 1028.75 1031.168 Copy and paste the stuff out the off off the Wiki . So 1030.78 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1035.104 1035.532 1035.12 1035.37 Mm-hmm . 1035.37 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1038.352 1044.739 1038.37 1044.739 Yeah . Well , she'll have to u use the C_V_S_ eventually 'cause we don't really have a good way of doing this otherwise . But 1038.93 1039.16 1044.49 EN2009b A MEE095 0 1045.25 1070.784 1045.4 1070.784 Yeah . Yeah , I mean uh also double-checked in that we're not gonna w could access the C_V_S_ from home when I was working from home last last week . Um on Thursday I managed to managed to get in and just just check the stuff and make sure it was all make sure th make sure ma make sure I could access it . So they shouldn't have any trouble accessing it once they've got the log-ins . So Not yet , I'm afraid . 1046.37 1046.66 1052.55 1058.14 1060.84 1068.62 1070.09 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1056.512 1056.889 1056.54 1056.68 Mm-hmm . 1056.68 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1060.672 1072.288 1060.78 1070.72 Well that's it , we'll never see him here again . Watch , I'll find out he's got a better computer at home as well , right ? . 1061.25 1064.63 1064.9 1067.33 1070.72 1070.72 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1061.067 1071.218 1061.11 1071.218 Mm-hmm . On a day like this I know it's a yeah . 1064.7 1071.14 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1073.936 1083.681 1073.96 1083.56 Right , and what about um the project as a whole ? Is there anything that Ruud or anybody is after that we aren't supplying ? Not at the moment , right ? 1075.18 1077.74 1082.65 1083.31 1083.56 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1081.934 1101.43 1082.03 1101.43 Mm no . Not at the moment . The only thing that's been going around is the version of the flier . I don't know what real purpose of uh these little folded up A_ four fliers . Uh there's been bit of uh are they just for distribution at conferences and things ? Or do they uh 1083.37 1084.17 1088.42 1093.37 1100.63 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1093.76 1096.976 1093.78 1096.976 They're they're critical the to the success of a project . So 1096.58 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1101.888 1108.16 1101.92 1108.1 Y uh yeah , and general places . But yeah , I wouldn't worry too much about it unless they ask you for specific input . Yeah . 1102.86 1104.21 1104.95 1107.81 1108.1 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1105.779 1130.88 1105.9 1130.83 Right . Well I I'm not really bothering . But it there's that's what's circulating around the the group as a whole at the moment . Um I've sorted out uh travel et cetera to Munich for e for Ellen , John and myself . And we're all off on the fourteenth of December . Coming back on the Friday . the sixteenth , yes . 1106.29 1108.02 1113.59 1122.4 1123.98 1128.5 1129.51 1130.24 1130.83 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1109.634 1110.665 1109.71 1110.6 That's what's circulating . 1110.6 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1112.511 1112.968 1112.6 1112.87 Uh-huh . 1112.87 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1120.236 1121.008 1120.42 1120.97 Oh yeah . 1120.97 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1128.416 1131.616 1128.45 1131.58 Mm-hmm . And John's going . Mm-hmm . Oh that's good . 1129.36 1130.24 1130.97 1131.58 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1133.28 1135.363 1133.3 1135.363 He'll be useful for the W_P_ seven stuff . So 1135.03 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1136.672 1143.444 1136.69 1143.444 Well while you do that I'll be trained in how to hire people . So 1140.04 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1140.027 1148.585 1140.24 1148.43 That's a so that's How to hire or how to interview , is that that uh book . 1145.5 1148.43 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1146.496 1151.024 1146.52 1151.024 Uh both . So 1150.3 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1154.016 1160.645 1154.04 1160.61 So is there anything else ? What have you got on for the rest of the week besides getting this stuff up and running again ? 1156.71 1160.61 EN2009b A MEE095 0 1160.84 1180.048 1160.92 1180.048 Uh well on once uh once I've tried out the Camtasia stuff , I'll see if the if there's any problems , gonna tr gonna try and fix them . If there isn't any problems , next time I'm working on this uh G_D_F_ stuff um so so I've I've I pu uh put on a D_T_D_ and a sample X_M_L_ file on the Wiki for the G_D_F_ . So it's ba based on some stuff you put on there on the G_D_F_ specification . Um 1163.47 1164.75 1166.28 1167.21 1176.83 1179.61 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1169.916 1170.656 1170.0 1170.59 Yeah . 1170.59 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1178.187 1187.818 1178.187 1187.818 Right . So are you concerned about it that I should be looking at it or you happy with it ? I mean I sort of wrote the initial draft of it , I suppose . So 1180.32 1184.29 1186.84 1187.32 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1184.551 1185.133 1184.63 1185.133 The - EN2009b A MEE095 0 1187.249 1197.76 1187.38 1197.76 Yeah , I mean with I cha I changed a couple of things from your original draft . Um so there's not uh there's no longer a separate thing for creating new parts . So just put a start and end time on each part . Uh so 1187.52 1189.87 1193.84 1196.52 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1197.76 1200.809 1197.82 1200.809 Um uh slower . 1200.57 EN2009b A MEE095 0 1199.4 1217.048 1199.49 1217.048 So the the you you you had a you had a thing call I think it's mould or so or something that you said which is sort of to create a new part . There's an action to create a new part . Um but I th uh I've I gave each part a start time and an end time um so you can see when the parts were created . So I'm not su so I'm not not sure if you wanna keep the mould or not . Uh 1205.55 1207.24 1213.53 1216.36 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1205.631 1206.138 1205.69 1206.03 Uh-huh . 1206.03 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1213.754 1214.245 1213.77 1214.14 Okay . 1214.14 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1216.758 1221.442 1216.87 1221.3 Um I'll have to look . I can't remember um how this works now 'cause it was a while ago . 1218.28 1221.3 EN2009b A MEE095 0 1221.872 1225.446 1221.89 1225.36 Yeah , but it's it's just the G_D_F_ specification page on the uh on the Wiki . 1222.0 1225.36 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1226.741 1227.747 1226.78 1227.747 So - EN2009b A MEE095 0 1228.489 1242.582 1228.81 1242.582 I've uh I mean I'll try try to put in justification for for the change that I made uh on the page . So um but I've I've sent it out for review so that s anyone who is gonna using the format can have a look at it . Huh . 1233.54 1239.18 1242.2 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1238.317 1300.892 1238.41 1300.892 Yeah , and you'll get nothing back unless I look at it , right ? So i best for for us for me to do that . I i um yeah , i I mean it's really good that you're y um putting things out for for review and saying like why for stuff . But um we don't we also don't want um to burn too much of your time recording stuff that that nobody's ever gonna look at necessarily . So I mean this this might be a good case for or it might uh or it might be that you should just like , you know , talk to me about this stuff if I happen to be around at the time that you're doing it and not y so i if the writing stuff down on the Wiki gets to be too high a proportion of things , then then you don't necessarily wanna do it . You do you know what I mean ? The so um I th I think it's great to have the records and that's really important , especially in in big dispersed groups , but this is kind of a smaller group . Um so it you know , we can do things more informally where f you feel the Wikis are getting in the way of things . So 1238.89 1240.86 1241.62 1244.03 1246.22 1252.97 1263.55 1269.68 1270.02 1280.17 1283.07 1284.17 1289.22 1291.44 1294.59 1295.52 1300.47 EN2009b A MEE095 0 1283.228 1286.695 1283.34 1286.695 Right . Yeah , yeah , yeah . Mind , when the 1283.99 1284.29 1284.64 1285.64 1285.86 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1286.363 1287.494 1286.58 1287.41 Spend . Mm-hmm . 1286.99 1287.41 EN2009b A MEE095 0 1300.031 1310.3 1300.08 1310.3 Yeah . Well the ones that this stuff , I mean , is it's helpful . It was helpful for me to putting it up on the Wiki 'cause I could actually thin think about it as I put it up and say well this is this is why and th this is why I wanna do things this way . Um so 1300.57 1301.8 1302.01 1302.69 1309.48 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1309.2 1322.544 1309.22 1322.544 Oh yeah , it well if it aids you in thinking to write it down , then definitely write it down . 'Cause , yeah , we want clear thinking . Um I can't actually remember uh i how it worked with the the moulds . I mean I w I wanted to make sure that um 1309.68 1311.4 1314.26 1314.57 1314.86 1316.47 1320.13 EN2009b A MEE095 0 1312.503 1314.808 1312.503 1314.74 Yep , yep . 1314.54 1314.74 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1316.336 1317.058 1316.53 1316.91 Mm-hmm . 1316.91 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1324.3 1331.564 1324.38 1331.4 No , I can't even remember . So I'll I'll look at it . Uh but uh I'm sure it's fine 'cause um it's just my memory of things . 1324.6 1325.57 1327.27 1331.4 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1326.125 1330.4 1326.125 1330.37 . Well mm-hmm . 1326.125 1330.37 EN2009b A MEE095 0 1327.056 1328.08 1327.08 1328.04 Yep . Fair enough , fair enough . 1327.26 1327.61 1328.04 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1332.176 1353.687 1332.21 1353.687 Uh what el uh well I'll have to get to grips with cra Camtasia uh properly uh to generate a little sort of introductory video I suppose uh for instructional purposes at the beginning of the experiment . So people will be able to see uh and so that the p you know , example movements uh and things like that will be 1348.31 1351.2 EN2009b A MEE095 0 1338.24 1338.641 1338.26 1338.56 Yeah . 1338.56 EN2009b A MEE095 0 1348.162 1348.46 1348.24 1348.39 Yeah . 1348.39 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1349.536 1350.644 1349.56 1350.41 Oh yeah , uh-huh . 1350.06 1350.41 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1353.896 1387.353 1353.95 1387.28 Yeah . So um is that gonna have a voice-over or is it we had discussions before you started about whether it should be completely silent so that they could use in case we ever wanted to do this in in Dutch , yeah . And uh and so , you know , you could just have sort of well the I think we discussed having it with an English voice-over or having it with no voice-over and then having it w just with cartoon noises or something like or you know when things break . So to emphasise the I may be imagining it . 1355.12 1368.03 1369.41 1370.53 1370.78 1383.55 1387.28 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1366.768 1370.991 1366.79 1370.991 In Dutch as well . Um well 1369.3 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1381.92 1388.786 1382.08 1388.786 Oh right . Oh . Huh . Right . Uh no , that must have been before me . So uh uh uh p it 1382.61 1383.19 1383.52 1383.75 1384.22 1385.62 EN2009b A MEE095 0 1384.03 1384.504 1384.24 1384.3 Mm . 1384.3 EN2009b A MEE095 0 1387.775 1394.427 1387.86 1394.427 Well uh well I kn I know on Camtasia , if you got a ca if you've got a Camtasia project , you can have the video and audio stored separately . In which case 1389.07 1390.97 1393.68 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1388.984 1389.246 1389.0 1389.15 I - EN2009b C MEE094 2 1392.17 1393.052 1392.3 1392.98 Separated . 1392.98 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1393.936 1396.956 1393.96 1396.77 Oh , so we could produce a Dutch voice-over for the same thing . Yeah . 1394.1 1396.39 1396.77 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1395.389 1397.402 1395.46 1397.34 Yes , mm-hmm . Yep . 1395.94 1396.71 1397.34 EN2009b A MEE095 0 1396.112 1404.593 1396.37 1404.44 Yeah . So yeah . So so we just ended the just ended the the Dutch stream , yeah , the video and our audio . And then they can easy create their audio out of mm from that outp 1396.59 1396.87 1398.92 1399.26 1401.0 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1401.515 1417.027 1401.6 1417.027 Mm-hmm . Yeah . Exa yeah , so the I mean th I don't think I think it'd be more sensible just to do the non the the video part of it first and then you add the voice-over afterwards . Rather than trying to do all at once . You know . 1402.22 1403.46 1404.07 1414.04 1415.67 1416.59 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1403.892 1404.606 1404.06 1404.36 Yeah . 1404.36 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1413.792 1414.213 1413.81 1414.11 Yeah . 1414.11 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1415.652 1427.938 1415.7 1427.88 Okay , the oth the other issue is um uh i if we do a voice-over uh does that affect the language that the people choose to use . S so that might be another reason for not doing that . 1415.92 1424.53 1427.88 EN2009b A MEE095 0 1415.706 1416.404 1415.77 1416.27 Yeah , yeah . 1416.05 1416.27 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1423.638 1437.77 1423.74 1437.7 Might use . Or are you going to prime them in any way ? Doing uh anything with the voice , you know . If you start talking about have to avoid or uh yeah , talking about the parts or just naming them or anything like that . Mm-hmm . 1424.42 1426.94 1428.68 1428.88 1432.42 1436.9 1437.7 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1430.698 1432.397 1430.77 1432.27 Alignment or you know . 1432.27 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1436.848 1441.495 1436.87 1441.46 Yeah . So I think maybe that was another reason for um just having 1437.54 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1443.116 1452.271 1443.116 1452.07 . Or or or ding for , you know , you got it or I don't know what . 1443.116 1450.4 1450.68 1452.07 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1443.488 1469.493 1443.69 1469.493 Bef yes . Okay . Or did no n no noise in fact I think is probably uh Yes . Uh pro probably actually not even the sound effects 'cause otherwise they'll expect that in the real experiment and that doesn't happen . So if they make move a piece and it breaks and they don't hear this crash and they go oh , what's , you know what's happened . Is that really all what happened . Yeah , it's uh 1444.57 1446.25 1451.71 1459.75 1463.74 1464.07 1466.27 1467.82 1467.98 EN2009b A MEE095 0 1444.436 1444.81 1444.59 1444.74 Yeah . 1444.74 EN2009b A MEE095 0 1451.637 1452.111 1451.85 1452.02 Yeah . 1452.02 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1458.336 1461.087 1458.36 1460.87 Yeah yeah yeah . Well that y 1459.78 EN2009b A MEE095 0 1458.974 1459.421 1458.974 1458.974 . 1458.974 EN2009b A MEE095 0 1459.829 1460.494 1460.05 1460.41 Yeah . 1460.41 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1464.272 1474.086 1464.272 1474.086 Yeah . Well you need some way to make sure that they actually notice the thing you're trying to explain to them if there's no voice uh 1468.73 EN2009b A MEE095 0 1468.693 1469.146 1468.693 1469.146 . 1469.146 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1472.22 1472.89 1472.51 1472.68 Mm-hmm . 1472.68 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1473.189 1474.567 1473.189 1474.53 Yeah , mm-hmm . 1473.89 1474.53 EN2009b A MEE095 0 1473.605 1483.842 1473.75 1483.67 Yeah . Well one thing uh one one thing that Camtasia can do , you can have little videos when other haven't gotten got any cameras for doing that . But you could like have videos of people click on the mouses and sorta or whatever else , mm-hmm . 1474.05 1475.84 1479.46 1483.45 1483.67 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1483.996 1484.784 1484.14 1484.71 Hmm . 1484.71 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1485.056 1493.379 1485.056 1493.11 Or or you could just point to you know , have b great big arrow that points at the two pieces that broke . 1487.67 1493.11 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1489.593 1490.25 1489.7 1490.11 Mm-hmm . 1490.11 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1495.376 1500.005 1495.53 1499.76 Yes , I think it can generate uh things . 1495.87 1499.76 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1495.744 1496.372 1495.76 1496.372 You know and - EN2009b A MEE095 0 1498.581 1506.488 1498.65 1506.488 You can do yeah , you can generate call-outs and whatever . So The might yeah , I'm sure there must be a way of putting big arrows ov or whatever . Um 1499.11 1501.27 1503.21 1506.02 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1501.656 1502.733 1502.16 1502.34 Uh-huh . 1502.34 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1505.238 1511.727 1505.34 1511.68 Yeah . So you gonna clear or r however you do this with Ellen , right ? 'Cause she's the one that has thoughts about the language and stuff . 1506.16 1508.41 1508.67 1511.68 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1508.926 1529.2 1509.0 1529.2 Yes . Mm mm-hmm , yeah . Yes , but uh or in our discussion we haven't mentioned uh it was assumed there'd be a voice over . But I'll I'll I better I'll I'll remind her yeah , I'll I'll I'll do that . Mm-hmm . Yes , 'cause we've got to think of the instructions and sort of basic introduction to it all as well . So 1510.43 1511.25 1511.87 1512.47 1516.6 1520.48 1521.7 1523.58 1523.77 1528.96 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1518.0 1521.095 1518.02 1521.01 Oh well remin remind her that there was a question about whether there oughta be one . 1521.01 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1530.192 1530.751 1530.23 1530.59 Mm-hmm . 1530.59 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1532.885 1550.775 1533.02 1550.775 Actually I I did email Nijmegen to ask if they'd had a set of instructions they'd given their participants , but it probably I s I suspect so because I haven't had a reply back . Yeah , too too uh it was just in case they had something that what 1540.44 1546.42 1546.68 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1539.584 1541.246 1539.75 1541.1 I bet Marloes just talked to 'em . 1541.1 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1544.564 1546.367 1544.7 1546.367 Ah I think it's really up to us to - EN2009b B FEE083 1 1548.72 1560.4 1548.74 1560.4 Is it hard ? You don't wanna give 'em the specification , you know , 'cause that's in too high-falutin a language . But um oh , i it can't be that hard to generate something that says 1550.25 1552.28 1552.85 1555.08 1558.26 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1554.815 1555.563 1554.89 1555.43 Mm-hmm . 1555.43 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1562.272 1565.37 1562.3 1565.25 No , that should be a problem . I'll be straight-forward enough , I think . 1562.8 1563.87 1564.97 1565.25 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1565.632 1566.083 1565.67 1565.97 Mm-hmm . 1565.97 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1571.379 1588.842 1571.46 1588.69 Oh um uh on my holidays we encountered a children's toyshop where there we there were tamgrams . And my son reminded me that he ca hasn't been able to find his tamgram set in a while . Well uh if not if you guys are using it . Or do y do you find it helpful to have it ? 1578.21 1584.32 1587.25 1588.69 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1581.705 1594.471 1581.94 1594.471 Alright , you want take it back . Um oh uh t uh no um th it's not got it's uh yeah , it's i well b actually , I could probably just photo-copy the manual . And there's only a 1582.31 1584.45 1588.94 1590.81 1593.59 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1593.551 1601.696 1593.66 1601.66 Oh , but it's so tactile to have the little metal bits . If you if you're using it , keep it . He's got plenty of toys . If you're not if you're not using it , then I'll take it back . 1593.98 1596.19 1597.4 1597.93 1598.9 1600.8 1601.66 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1595.92 1597.179 1596.1 1597.1 Um yeah . 1597.1 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1599.032 1644.816 1599.032 1644.816 Right . Yeah . Right . Uh oh I've hopefully well , I won't hopefully need it for more than another week or two anyway . So as long as you can hold off his No , no . Right . Um I I was looking at the the complexity sort of uh aspect of the tamgrams in that uh booklet . It's not quite that they just get harder . It's that they kind of have pages of similar um types . Yeah . So one page will have sort of parts that are kind of similar to each other and then you move over and there's a different almost type of design or style . Uh so it's not quite as progressive in complexity as uh 1600.74 1602.61 1603.11 1605.42 1608.96 1611.86 1612.01 1613.67 1621.83 1623.6 1630.96 1631.28 1640.35 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1609.408 1615.164 1609.43 1615.164 Yeah , y it's not it's not a worry . The the lad has plenty of toys . 1609.83 1611.94 1614.87 EN2009b A MEE095 0 1622.92 1623.367 1623.01 1623.32 Oops . 1623.32 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1629.968 1631.574 1629.99 1631.18 Oh , similar types , uh-huh . 1630.15 1630.85 1631.18 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1639.52 1640.136 1639.54 1640.06 Yeah . 1640.06 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1645.024 1649.775 1645.07 1649.71 Right . So um how you gonna get your complexity ratings ? Google . 1645.49 1649.2 1649.71 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1649.316 1649.726 1649.43 1649.53 No . 1649.53 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1650.182 1652.668 1650.182 1652.668 Google . 1652.59 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1651.424 1658.768 1651.44 1658.66 Is there a big tamgram community that ranks these things ? Like , you know , that's just one booklet that came with one set of tamgrams . 1655.5 1655.86 1656.04 1658.66 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1657.59 1663.999 1657.61 1663.6 Mm-hmm . Uh I'll try I'll try . You never know what's what's out there . 1659.0 1662.13 1663.6 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1662.053 1665.511 1662.09 1665.47 Or or is it obvious like when you look at these things ? 1665.47 EN2009b A MEE095 0 1663.942 1664.352 1663.942 1664.352 . 1664.352 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1665.68 1677.296 1665.7 1677.26 Well uh um I'm hoping the Dutch input will allow us to p sort of have a rough idea of what was the of a suitable complexity for the task . 1677.26 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1676.37 1684.737 1676.46 1684.64 Yeah . But that still won't tell you well how many tamgrams are there that they're using ? Fifteen or something . No , not even . 1677.99 1682.18 1683.47 1684.1 1684.64 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1683.769 1693.919 1683.88 1693.79 Uh no , not even that . They've of this relevant type to what we're wanting to use , probably three . Uh we've to generate sixteen in total . 1684.93 1685.55 1689.53 1691.7 1693.79 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1691.216 1705.056 1691.25 1705.02 Uh-huh . So that's not gonna g so that's not gonna tell you anything about relative complexity . That's just gonna tell you where in the span you wanna be . You still need some kinda scale for these things . Ca uh if you look at 'em , do you just know ? 1692.35 1697.26 1700.61 1703.21 1704.24 1705.02 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1700.337 1700.769 1700.37 1700.73 Mm-hmm . 1700.73 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1702.798 1703.906 1703.0 1703.87 Yeah , ideally . 1703.28 1703.87 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1706.288 1717.104 1706.39 1717.104 Mm no . Well I don't . I'm not 1708.77 1709.37 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1706.993 1721.802 1707.06 1721.802 No . I would either . What about him ? I if h Mister Geometry . I mean , you know . Can you tell just by looking at these how hard people find them ? Or right , okay . Well 1707.47 1710.46 1711.53 1714.32 1714.62 1716.4 1718.92 1720.94 1721.34 EN2009b A MEE095 0 1712.359 1716.167 1712.44 1716.167 No , I'm an af afraid not . 1713.05 1716.13 EN2009b A MEE095 0 1719.136 1724.788 1719.136 1724.788 I wouldn't know . No . No , no . That's a s that's psychology thing how hard they 1720.27 1720.76 1720.99 1721.81 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1721.541 1729.854 1721.62 1729.854 Uh I'll tr I'll try the good old Google and see if there is uh if there are some sort of ranking sites or whatever . Uh 1728.91 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1728.784 1738.608 1728.84 1738.57 Who is Psychology already uses tamgrams that's still around ? Mean , people have been using tamgrams for ages . So there must be somebody with a folk wisdom you can contact . 1733.07 1733.99 1735.73 1738.57 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1739.153 1743.086 1739.3 1742.58 I'll try and find out . I don't know off off hand certainly . 1740.68 1742.58 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1741.927 1745.361 1741.96 1745.12 Right . I only know ancient papers . So like late eighties . 1742.31 1743.91 1745.12 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1746.851 1752.095 1746.851 1751.94 Uh I'll I'll do a search . B um I've not encountered them . 1750.12 1751.94 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1748.231 1749.82 1748.27 1749.59 Do people still use tamgrams ? 1749.59 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1752.289 1753.702 1752.32 1753.67 Oh . So we're very old-fashioned . 1752.68 1753.67 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1755.226 1759.94 1755.25 1759.94 Mm well or maybe they just don't use mm anything like that I suppose for - EN2009b B FEE083 1 1760.896 1774.96 1760.92 1774.96 Well there was stuff in the seventies and the eighties , right ? So Since then . Right . Well , the old the old tasks are the best . So I'm not gonna let that worry me . 1762.63 1764.13 1767.91 1768.95 1769.92 1772.0 1774.91 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1764.084 1766.452 1764.29 1766.3 But I'm not sure if anything's happened since then . 1766.3 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1776.208 1776.795 1776.24 1776.795 Um - EN2009b B FEE083 1 1781.344 1802.523 1781.42 1802.41 So uh sorry , that was k I think a big diversion , and we were talking about what you were gonna do next after all this stuff was up and the I was gonna look at the G_D_F_ spec . Are the rest of the y uh are is the rest of what you're to do with that software fairly clear ? 'Cause this is about the analysis . You really only need Robin , right , to to specify the rest . 1783.27 1785.04 1790.75 1796.12 1798.33 1799.77 1800.53 1802.41 EN2009b A MEE095 0 1797.768 1830.526 1797.92 1830.43 Yeah , yeah , so this yeah . Yes , yes . He'll he'll just be working with Robin on what analysis we need to get out of the G_D_F_ format . Um so I'm gonna c basically I've got a the gest analyser's the base the basis for uh um ASCII to G_D_F_ converter . Um so what I'm gonna do is actually create an output uh a G_D_F_ output part to it . Um 'cause at the moment uh only outputs the video . Um but it does have internal structures will just make it easy to do the the X_M_L_ . So so that's that's what I'm gonna look at . And then once I've done that I can look at the whatever analysis we need to get done out of the G_D_F_ . 1798.26 1798.48 1800.71 1800.96 1801.15 1804.95 1813.36 1818.5 1820.53 1824.47 1826.28 1830.43 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1814.119 1814.635 1814.17 1814.51 Uh-huh . 1814.51 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1823.75 1824.864 1823.82 1824.74 Yep , mm-hmm . Yeah . 1824.08 1824.32 1824.74 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1830.754 1856.096 1830.8 1856.096 Yeah , 'cause there were all these issues about how you calculate eye-eye lag and , you know , w what other th analyses we want o want out of this that aren't settled . But I think um , you know , Robin is the person who knows the most about what's required there . And I can imagine it's gonna take a wee while to I can imagine you know , so that might be the focus of discussions next week or something , right , that um what need out of this and 1831.18 1834.86 1835.3 1839.8 1841.82 1842.09 1846.0 1850.3 1853.39 1853.63 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1834.291 1835.072 1834.31 1835.04 Mm-hmm . 1835.04 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1846.704 1851.153 1846.82 1851.153 As little as it is , but yeah . Yeah . Yes . Have to 1847.66 1849.31 1849.55 1850.73 EN2009b A MEE095 0 1854.666 1855.04 1854.73 1854.92 Yep . 1854.92 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1854.866 1860.874 1854.91 1860.63 To try and , yes , and home home in parameters and choose the right sort of settings . So yep . 1855.6 1856.05 1859.88 1860.63 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1860.014 1891.273 1860.11 1891.22 Yeah , so you might wanna try and come . If you get that far , try and come equipped with a list of the kinds of things you want out of it and and so we can look through and see . Um uh y Ellen might have views on what kinds of things once we have a list , right . So so Yeah . So , but it'd be good to , you know , make sure once we have a list of the things that we think we're getting of it that it matches her intentions for what we were supposed to get out of it . So um , you know , if we do talk about that , then it might be nice to have her along for it . 1860.55 1862.28 1863.03 1868.36 1872.71 1874.04 1877.24 1877.52 1878.39 1878.64 1885.06 1886.74 1887.02 1888.26 1891.22 EN2009b A MEE095 0 1860.362 1861.11 1860.43 1861.04 Yeah , yeah . 1860.75 1861.04 EN2009b A MEE095 0 1874.736 1875.045 1874.77 1874.95 Yep . 1874.95 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1874.834 1877.861 1874.91 1877.861 I'm sure she'll have views on it . 1876.82 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1883.488 1884.161 1883.62 1883.97 Mm-hmm . 1883.97 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1892.011 1927.697 1892.18 1927.38 Mm-hmm . Um oh , I found haven't fount it physically yet , but uh a reference to uh a ninety two paper . It's in the royal proceedings of something or other somewhere based on a um an experiment that had blocks a model , blocks of parts and then an area where people had to build , you know , replicate the model out with the parts . Uh just one person at a time of course . But uh it did involve um eye movements and monitoring where they're looking compared to their hand movements and uh that subject . Ballard . 1893.1 1893.6 1896.91 1899.62 1910.46 1914.42 1914.67 1916.88 1918.75 1926.59 1927.38 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1915.968 1916.521 1916.0 1916.44 Oh yeah . 1916.44 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1925.456 1926.528 1925.51 1926.49 Oh yeah . Who is that then ? 1925.85 1926.49 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1928.096 1932.468 1928.12 1932.41 'Kay . Um are they still in the business ? 1929.43 1932.41 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1929.98 1936.675 1930.0 1936.51 Back in ninety two . Yes , I think so . Uh the I'll mm not sure . 1933.03 1933.42 1934.8 1936.51 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1933.848 1934.372 1933.87 1934.31 Where are they ? 1934.31 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1937.008 1944.959 1937.03 1944.86 Okay . Well , they might have the folk wisdom on the complexity , right ? So Ninety two's not that long ago . 1938.62 1938.97 1941.62 1942.96 1944.86 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1941.97 1942.414 1942.09 1942.38 Yep . 1942.38 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1945.723 1964.289 1945.74 1964.17 Yeah . So there should still be well Not that on . Is it . Y uh-huh . Uh that's what I've m I'll have to try and find out . Uh Hmm . If not um the National Library is bound to have it . 1946.41 1950.49 1951.7 1954.73 1957.09 1960.73 1964.17 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1946.806 1951.767 1946.87 1951.767 Well it is really . But 1947.76 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1952.976 1954.752 1953.08 1954.61 Um is it a paper you can get ? 1954.61 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1957.6 1960.362 1957.66 1960.25 Well , they still do it for library loans and stuff , so . 1957.84 1959.88 1960.25 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1964.536 1965.202 1964.62 1965.17 Uh-huh , yep . 1964.93 1965.17 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1969.632 1980.901 1969.65 1980.901 So do we think next week that's what we're gonna talk about ? 'Cause we want wanna ask Ellen ahead of time if she wants to come along for a discussion about oh well , that's that's fine then . 1971.74 1978.5 1980.78 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1976.328 1983.837 1976.54 1983.63 She's not here next week anyway . It's next Wednesday or Thursday before she's back . 1980.79 1983.63 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1984.656 1990.914 1984.68 1990.81 Okay . Oh yeah , c she 'cause she her stuff is getting blocked off the mailing list 'cause she's not mailing from her normal account . 1985.6 1986.13 1990.81 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1991.305 1996.552 1991.305 1996.552 Oh , is that what yeah , she's got a mm Yahoo account or something that things are getting forwarded to and 1991.67 1992.37 EN2009b B FEE083 1 1994.704 2002.72 1994.78 2002.72 Yeah . And I can't figure out any way to just approve messages from her without her subscribing at that account . So 1995.8 2002.31 EN2009b C MEE094 2 1999.68 1999.984 1999.71 1999.85 Ah . 1999.85 EN2009b B FEE083 1 2004.096 2004.496 2004.12 2004.496 Um - EN2009b C MEE094 2 2004.064 2010.626 2004.15 2010.48 Or or oh well . That's only if things haven't been getting through . Ah . 2005.32 2007.12 2010.48 EN2009b B FEE083 1 2008.324 2014.931 2008.324 2014.931 There's only one message so far . It didn't say much . Uh 2011.5 2014.46 EN2009b A MEE095 0 2009.303 2011.008 2009.38 2011.008 Yeah . 2010.91 EN2009b C MEE094 2 2019.312 2021.856 2019.312 2021.81 Um anything else ? 2021.81 EN2009b B FEE083 1 2019.299 2020.454 2019.45 2020.37 Yep . Anything else ? 2019.73 2020.37 EN2009b A MEE095 0 2019.622 2019.988 2019.622 2019.622 . 2019.622 EN2009b A MEE095 0 2021.952 2035.698 2022.08 2035.29 Um I think that's it . And I'll t uh yeah , I'll get get working on the Camtasia stuff this week and then so once uh once uh once we've got some some idea about what analysis you want out of this , I can think about whether G_D_F_'s got everything we need in it . Um and f yeah , what analysis we can pull out of it . 2023.02 2023.79 2029.75 2032.87 2034.17 2035.29 EN2009b C MEE094 2 2034.411 2040.549 2034.45 2040.549 Well certainly . The the there's the provisional list of what we need on the Wiki anyway that I put it up . So 2034.91 2040.15 EN2009b A MEE095 0 2039.36 2046.331 2039.38 2046.331 Yeah , yeah . So I'll I'll double-check the G_D_F_ specification against that just to make sure it's got everything you said that you'd you say you need from that list . Um 2039.73 2039.93 2045.69 EN2009b B FEE083 1 2044.013 2049.024 2044.09 2049.024 Yeah . Bu I don't think that list is our final word on things and 2045.57 EN2009b C MEE094 2 2045.159 2045.949 2045.25 2045.73 Mm-hmm . 2045.73 EN2009b C MEE094 2 2049.08 2063.503 2049.21 2063.503 Um well I I added things to it . Well , better uh Well I don't know when he last looked at it . But uh Or when I added it . It was sometime in the last two weeks anyway . But uh 2052.22 2052.56 2054.62 2056.94 2058.72 EN2009b B FEE083 1 2051.84 2053.014 2051.86 2052.94 Oh well , maybe it is then . 2052.23 2052.94 EN2009b B FEE083 1 2056.357 2056.706 2056.44 2056.706 I - EN2009b A MEE095 0 2056.39 2056.79 2056.52 2056.73 Yeah . 2056.73 EN2009b A MEE095 0 2059.344 2059.648 2059.42 2059.61 Yeah . 2059.61 EN2009b B FEE083 1 2059.716 2088.224 2059.85 2088.224 Uh-huh . I don't think I was fully paying attention to that . I mean I'm not gonna have views on this anyway . What I'm really worried about is making sure that um there's not big surprises for Ellen and and J_P_ , you know , when they suddenly discover that they're they're assuming some analysis is in there and we didn't didn't put it in . You know , 'cause now is the time for us to be figuring out what we want out of that data and and getting you write the stuff or getting J_P_ to write the one-dimensional analyses that he was talking about . So 2060.6 2062.75 2064.85 2070.54 2071.04 2078.04 2078.26 2087.82 EN2009b C MEE094 2 2070.495 2071.104 2070.55 2070.92 Mm-hmm . 2070.92 EN2009b C MEE094 2 2073.701 2076.071 2073.94 2076.03 That's what they're getting . Yeah . 2075.5 2076.03 EN2009b C MEE094 2 2081.202 2081.904 2081.3 2081.71 Mm-hmm . 2081.71 EN2009b A MEE095 0 2082.165 2082.622 2082.26 2082.52 Yeah . 2082.52 EN2009b A MEE095 0 2087.096 2087.506 2087.21 2087.35 Yeah . 2087.35 EN2009b C MEE094 2 2087.313 2088.096 2087.54 2088.01 Yeah . 2088.01 EN2009b A MEE095 0 2088.14 2105.226 2088.26 2105.08 Yeah , 'cause they I mean we w we got all this in the ASCII format at the moment and it's just a matter of what data do we need to pull out of that into the G_D_F_ so I can actually do the proper analysis . Um 'cause I think all the answers are gonna be run off the G_D_F_ format 'cause 'cause we've decided that if we went and looked well if we're looking at dynamic reasons and whatever else , it has to be G_D_F_ . 2088.42 2096.67 2103.96 2105.08 EN2009b C MEE094 2 2094.816 2095.44 2094.85 2095.32 Mm-hmm . 2095.32 EN2009b C MEE094 2 2100.413 2101.644 2100.69 2101.644 Yeah , it 2100.97 EN2009b C MEE094 2 2103.265 2109.536 2103.74 2109.536 It's the it's the dynamic regions that uh I think might cause a bit of trouble . But uh 2108.67 EN2009b A MEE095 0 2109.473 2115.484 2109.52 2115.484 Yeah . Which is yeah , which is why we have to do it off the G_D_F_ as as opposed to the E_D_F_ format . So 2110.21 2110.63 2115.11 EN2009b B FEE083 1 2115.846 2127.943 2115.93 2127.79 Oh right . Okay . So y actually you're breaking this down into two steps now . One is just a straight extraction from the ASCII , and the other one is any post-analysis that that adds information by analysing it . Is that th 2116.38 2116.63 2119.06 2121.33 2127.37 EN2009b A MEE095 0 2127.792 2164.018 2128.01 2164.018 Yeah , yeah . So so the G_D_F_ it's got yeah , so it's it's got uh the all th the stuff on the um E_D_F_ . So it's just the uh the ASCII file the things like the mouse movements and things like that . And then yeah , yeah , and then on top of that G_D_F_ can also it will also have information such as , right , at this point in time they were looking at the new parts area or they were looking at the target . Yeah . Um so yeah . So the the G_D_F_ is gonna have that sort of information in it . And then also 'cause it's X_M_L_ file , we can then do X_S_L_T_ or whatever on to it to get extract whatever bits of data you need for yeah , for for whichever bits of analysis you're trying to do from it . So 2128.34 2128.53 2130.15 2133.63 2137.44 2139.63 2139.88 2143.18 2143.39 2149.16 2150.18 2151.04 2153.56 2155.33 2160.23 2163.62 EN2009b B FEE083 1 2137.248 2140.253 2137.27 2140.03 Yeah , it's just anything that's got shoved through the eye-tracker . Yeah . 2137.41 2139.66 2140.03 EN2009b B FEE083 1 2146.68 2150.963 2146.77 2150.85 Yeah , yeah . Okay , that is post-analysis . Yeah . So right , yeah . 2146.97 2147.35 2147.72 2149.01 2149.58 2150.66 2150.85 EN2009b C MEE094 2 2160.803 2163.078 2160.96 2162.97 That filter Mm yeah , filter out . 2162.54 2162.97 EN2009b B FEE083 1 2163.184 2164.758 2163.22 2164.62 Mm-hmm . Yeah . 2164.25 2164.62 EN2009b B FEE083 1 2166.032 2167.312 2166.07 2167.25 Oh well , that all sounds good . 2166.48 2167.25 EN2009b B FEE083 1 2168.927 2169.342 2168.95 2169.342 So - EN2009b B FEE083 1 2170.624 2195.12 2170.7 2195.12 I've got o uh one thing to check and one person to ask if she'll volunteer to be a head . And as far as I know that's it for me . See , I have to explain . I'm for for one of my other things I there is now a specific Wiki page that says stuff Jean has to do . And I'm beginning to think that this is quite a good idea 'cause I worry about not doing the stuff people expect of me . Much more than the other way around , right . 2175.8 2179.02 2179.16 2180.42 2186.03 2192.93 2194.2 2194.73 EN2009b C MEE094 2 2172.012 2172.586 2172.13 2172.42 Unless y - EN2009b C MEE094 2 2178.848 2183.231 2179.31 2183.231 Yep , I think so . 2179.55 2180.54 EN2009b C MEE094 2 2185.768 2188.681 2185.86 2188.681 To do . 2188.43 EN2009b C MEE094 2 2191.056 2215.107 2192.5 2214.99 Hmm . Watch out Well I think according to the latest documentation uh you're down for five percent of your fifteen months on this project or something . Some b uh JAST report . Officially . Into reality , uh-huh . 2193.01 2205.7 2208.94 2213.32 2214.45 2214.99 EN2009b B FEE083 1 2204.0 2204.944 2204.02 2204.91 What documentation ? 2204.91 EN2009b B FEE083 1 2207.627 2208.683 2207.83 2208.57 Oh , okay . 2207.93 2208.57 EN2009b B FEE083 1 2210.256 2215.248 2210.28 2215.248 Well it doesn't actually make its way into its my salary , I'm afraid . So 2213.74 2214.9 EN2009b C MEE094 2 2218.498 2219.202 2218.498 2219.02 Right . 2219.02 EN2009b B FEE083 1 2218.926 2222.976 2218.97 2222.92 But yeah . I mean I do spend time talking to you guys . So you're getting something out of me . 2219.47 2221.63 2222.92 EN2009b C MEE094 2 2221.591 2222.0 2221.69 2221.9 Mm-hmm . 2221.9 EN2009b C MEE094 2 2224.215 2230.672 2224.62 2230.62 Yeah . But 2225.01 EN2009b A MEE095 0 2224.645 2225.002 2224.74 2224.93 Yep . 2224.93 EN2009c B FEE083 1 0.0 11.229 0.0 11.229 I mean if you're ever , you know , late 'cause of that , it's not we'll find a way around it . And I've put you guys on Mondays at this time for my convenience , but it's not like it's important that 1.91 2.31 3.25 6.3 9.02 EN2009c C MEE094 2 0.574 1.326 0.65 1.326 Yeah , it says 0.79 EN2009c A MEE095 0 4.384 4.875 4.4 4.84 Yeah . 4.84 EN2009c A MEE095 0 11.068 20.297 11.12 20.297 Yeah . Well uh I was expecting to get , yeah , though and I did did make it in time . But it just just 'cause all the leaves and things . Um the stra the trains weren't stopping at the stations . So they decided to put speed restrictions on 11.52 12.65 12.93 14.24 16.5 18.39 EN2009c B FEE083 1 18.978 19.845 19.02 19.845 Really ? 19.62 EN2009c C MEE094 2 19.58 24.801 19.58 24.801 Is it sliding past ? 24.72 EN2009c B FEE083 1 20.864 25.792 20.864 25.74 I really ? Great . I was th so what'd they have to do , back up ? 23.09 23.92 25.09 25.74 EN2009c A MEE095 0 21.796 45.272 21.87 45.272 Yep . Yeah . 'Cause apar apar apparently p uh I'm not sure . Um the and they're bussing people into station have particular problems on it 'cause it's on a 'cause it's on a hill or something . Um so I had so I had to bus people in from like stations either side . Yes , yes . But yeah , at l at least it was speed restrictions instead of like trains flying past into barriers and things . So 22.38 23.56 26.89 31.98 38.5 38.87 39.21 39.75 43.27 EN2009c B FEE083 1 31.986 32.817 32.03 32.69 Ah . 32.69 EN2009c B FEE083 1 37.524 38.182 37.54 38.13 Nasty . 38.13 EN2009c C MEE094 2 43.568 45.682 43.568 45.682 Yes . 45.64 EN2009c B FEE083 1 44.07 46.341 44.13 46.24 Yeah , yeah . Go i we're glad they'll look after that bit . 44.33 44.74 46.24 EN2009c A MEE095 0 47.549 48.451 47.61 48.31 Oh , f yeah . 47.83 48.31 EN2009c A MEE095 0 51.6 52.629 51.6 52.629 . 1282.42 EN2009c A MEE095 0 57.771 59.184 57.771 58.94 . Okay . 57.771 58.94 EN2009c B FEE083 1 60.56 63.002 60.58 62.9 Uh I don't know . Do we wanna look at anything ? It's not up yet . 61.17 62.18 62.9 EN2009c C MEE094 2 62.747 71.039 62.88 70.97 Still fifty six percent completed . Skip it . 'Cause I'm just doing a b yeah , disk check or something . 67.94 68.6 69.91 70.97 EN2009c B FEE083 1 66.272 66.72 66.29 66.72 I can - EN2009c B FEE083 1 71.232 72.416 71.33 72.34 Oh I don't know what it's doing . 72.34 EN2009c B FEE083 1 75.625 76.656 75.69 76.57 Oops , that fell off . 75.98 76.57 EN2009c B FEE083 1 77.763 78.736 77.78 78.66 Doesn't like silk . 78.66 EN2009c B FEE083 1 83.241 85.714 83.26 85.714 Stay . 85.2 EN2009c B FEE083 1 89.84 94.292 89.86 94.17 And now we're gonna discover we've got no reason to meet , right . 'Cause everything's going swimmingly . 91.79 92.91 94.17 EN2009c C MEE094 2 91.768 92.141 91.9 92.08 Yep . 92.08 EN2009c C MEE094 2 94.768 96.501 94.768 96.42 Is everything going smooth ? 96.42 EN2009c A MEE095 0 95.516 102.427 95.516 102.3 Well , you know , apa pa apart from apart all apart from waiting for the get get Camtasia sorted out . 98.1 98.33 102.3 EN2009c B FEE083 1 97.2 99.291 97.2 99.291 Oh . 99.25 EN2009c B FEE083 1 104.044 109.971 104.1 109.971 'Cause uh I haven't been I haven't read the Wikis in my email since I left . So um 108.09 EN2009c A MEE095 0 109.465 149.92 109.55 149.92 Yeah , I haven't I haven't added anything to the Wiki recently . So uh 'Cause I've we've been been working on trying to get the X_M_L_ stuff working . So some the ba basically they only had to how the DOM works , um so I can do the next so I can ge generate D_D_F_ files . Huh ? Um so so th yeah , so just just been reading through documentation , that's what I was doing the end of last week um just so I know how it all works and figuring out the best way to do things . Um but I'm at the moment I've I've been playing with the DOM stuff in Mozilla . Uh 'cause I 'cause uh ju just so at least I can see how it works with the H_T_M_L_ pages so I can generate um the X_ so I can generate X_H_T_M_L_ stuff and see how it all works there . Just 'cause to just see how things work in that um and 109.92 111.95 117.06 119.41 123.47 123.6 124.64 126.34 132.08 137.15 145.7 EN2009c B FEE083 1 122.832 123.812 122.93 123.69 Oh yeah . Uh-huh . 123.41 123.69 EN2009c B FEE083 1 131.96 132.33 132.01 132.23 Uh-huh . 132.23 EN2009c B FEE083 1 149.049 160.056 149.08 160.056 Um the oh , well um I don't know the Mozilla stuff . So if it turns out that it's idiosyncratic in some way that teaches you funny habits , then it won't have been a good idea . So 149.81 151.51 157.92 159.6 EN2009c A MEE095 0 158.72 167.545 159.23 167.545 It well , thing is that the A_ the A_ well the A_P_I_ is standardized by the W_ three C_ . So the A_P_I_ is stan is standard between everything . Um 159.74 163.6 166.66 EN2009c B FEE083 1 165.569 178.016 165.64 177.95 Yeah , yeah . Uh well y th there are certain companies um that I don't wanna name who don't always get it right . I c but m yeah , Mozilla . Yeah , it'll be alright . So okay . I believe you now , it's a good strategy . 165.88 166.93 172.2 173.08 173.56 173.83 174.76 176.47 177.2 177.95 EN2009c A MEE095 0 170.22 171.589 170.34 171.589 Uh or - EN2009c A MEE095 0 174.656 197.44 174.68 197.44 Yeah , yeah , yeah . It is . It it just has a couple of yeah , yeah . Um well yeah but if they will b but it doe does look like it does does that this is and things like that . So I was doing the is anyway . Um it's ju it's just that that's that's quite a quick way to just to get into how how works . Because I can just quickly generate quickly generate a web page and then just add and take yeah , add things to and take things away and don't see exactly what's going on at the time . So 175.05 175.42 175.61 175.9 178.45 179.02 184.33 186.15 190.48 193.65 196.95 EN2009c B FEE083 1 186.342 186.795 186.37 186.7 Mm-hmm . 186.7 EN2009c B FEE083 1 197.7 202.351 197.76 202.28 Uh wh why does it help that it's X_T_ H_T_M_L_ instead of just X_M_L_ ? 202.28 EN2009c A MEE095 0 202.576 208.924 202.7 208.78 Oh well just 'cause X_H_T_M_L_ has a nice you know , you got browsers there , so you can actually see you can actually see directly what's what's going on . 205.05 206.02 208.78 EN2009c B FEE083 1 207.548 216.214 207.64 216.214 Yeah , but most m most browsers , when when you uh put an X_M_L_ file up in it , it'll just apply some default style sheet to it anyway that shows you 207.81 209.36 212.24 EN2009c A MEE095 0 216.306 224.128 216.39 224.09 Yeah , well I'll I'm using X_H_T_M_L_ uh to deter that's uh all all the web pages are X_H_T_M_L_ . So it's X_M_L_ just with the H_T_M_L_ D_T_D_ . 216.59 221.18 224.09 EN2009c B FEE083 1 225.36 226.31 225.38 226.14 Okay , yeah . 225.79 226.14 EN2009c A MEE095 0 225.791 232.264 225.87 232.264 Yeah . Ju ju ju just ba just 'cause we haven't uh we haven't f haven't quite finalised the um the G_D_F_ format . So just just well just 226.08 230.96 EN2009c B FEE083 1 231.35 235.028 231.42 234.91 Okay , so all you're gonna have to do is swap in tag names later . Okay . 231.69 234.64 234.91 EN2009c A MEE095 0 234.005 239.6 234.06 239.6 Yeah , yeah . So all have to do is just change it change that sort of thing so it's uh yeah . Yeah . 234.32 234.53 237.39 238.91 EN2009c B FEE083 1 237.013 242.594 237.19 242.594 Ev everybody's got their different ways of doing these things . I'm sure that's fine . Like having to uh g it's 239.53 240.27 EN2009c C MEE094 2 240.855 241.19 240.89 241.07 Hmm . 241.07 EN2009c C MEE094 2 241.608 246.401 241.75 246.401 Mm . As long as it comes out in the end . That's 242.01 243.42 EN2009c B FEE083 1 244.404 262.428 244.5 262.428 Yeah . No , I'm just try I'm trying to l think of the things that could go wrong . Um but since I haven't tried it this particular way , you know , um but yeah , that sounds good . So um i so you say we haven't finalised what the G_D_F_ looks like . Is that an implicit request for me to do something ? Or 244.97 245.13 248.38 250.58 251.84 253.37 254.36 259.14 261.67 EN2009c A MEE095 0 244.696 245.451 244.73 245.34 Yeah , yeah . 245.14 245.34 EN2009c C MEE094 2 247.892 248.432 248.1 248.39 Mm . 248.39 EN2009c A MEE095 0 251.584 253.691 251.65 253.691 Yeah . Yeah , but 252.96 253.31 EN2009c A MEE095 0 262.53 285.21 262.59 285.21 Um that what what what what I'm doing the moment I'm looking through the s the uh stuff that Robin put on the Wiki to say what's , you know , what what we need in the in the t um in the output format for the for the task , you know . So what what you're what you're gonna do the analysis on . Um so I'm making sure that I can take get that information out of the G_D_F_ as it st state of the moment . And if I find something that you can't get out of it then I can add that to the add that to the G_D_F_ format . So 268.33 268.49 272.42 272.54 274.68 279.66 284.71 EN2009c B FEE083 1 279.678 280.09 279.78 279.99 Uh-huh . 279.99 EN2009c B FEE083 1 283.945 307.116 283.99 307.116 Yeah . As a well , I mean there's two two cases in here , right . There's things you can get straight off the original format , and then there's things you have to do some kind of post-processing of the original format . But it's not just a data format change , it's actually some kind of computational process to get the thing out of it as well , right ? And it wasn't uh y I think it was a little bit um confused uh last time we spoke about um whether 284.72 285.63 288.23 288.43 291.4 294.52 296.17 299.51 300.56 EN2009c A MEE095 0 300.276 301.163 300.35 300.9 Yeah , yeah . 300.67 300.9 EN2009c B FEE083 1 308.565 336.199 308.62 336.06 U whether you consider G_D_F_ format to be um the thing that's just the straight-forward translations of what's in the original eye-tracking output , or whether like whether the post-processing utilities are a separate step . 'Cause I think you and I had separate different views on this , but I can't remember w who had which view at this point . So y are you working uh actively on this anal these analysis things or you just working on the translation ? Uh so the data format translation . 316.56 321.65 324.82 329.51 334.24 336.06 EN2009c A MEE095 0 326.928 330.005 326.928 330.005 Yeah , well the 329.19 EN2009c A MEE095 0 334.764 361.013 334.86 360.96 Well I'm I'm I'm ju try I'm making sure that the G_D_F_ format we've got at the moment will d will output say well I've output old analysis that that Robin's looking for . Um so so I'm using that as a way to to get into ha ha using the DOM things as well . Um so yeah . So at the moment I'm looking at act actually the G_D_F_ format itself um and then to generate the G_D_F_ format I'm gonna be taking stuff out of the gest analyser um and then using a DOM parser to generate uh X_M_L_ output from the gest analyser . 342.94 347.07 348.55 360.96 EN2009c B FEE083 1 359.032 367.478 359.26 367.29 Oh okay . So you haven't looked at what's in there and what isn't in there that you need to do some really intensive transform to do . Not yet , oh okay . 359.67 366.27 366.89 367.29 EN2009c A MEE095 0 365.578 389.056 365.64 388.92 Uh no . No . But uh I'll when and out of the output of the gest analyser does does do some of the processing already , which is what I'll m plan to use that as the basis for it . 'Cause that already that already picks up like target regions , things like that . So you get so so it knows whether you're looking at a part or whether you're looking at target area or what or whatever . Um so yes , as long as it got that in it somewhere . So it's just a matter of pulling that out and put that into the um into the G_D_F_ stuff . 366.38 366.72 371.1 373.22 375.42 376.36 381.76 382.99 384.26 388.92 EN2009c B FEE083 1 373.256 373.936 373.35 373.79 Yeah . 373.79 EN2009c B FEE083 1 381.46 381.88 381.56 381.78 Uh-huh . 381.78 EN2009c B FEE083 1 388.352 419.872 388.37 419.83 Okay . So this sounds like it's under control and you're happy and you guys are telling each other what you guys need to know . So I don't need to do anything , right . You're all fine . But there was a number of things that came before this , right , that it sounds like they're not under control yet . So so you know , the G_D_F_ stuff with so i Ellen's view on this is we go through everything in order . Like the priority is exactly the pipe-line order , right ? So um Camtasia you mentioned . And I'm not sure what else , but we should check what other things were before this on the list of things to do . 388.99 394.18 395.8 397.19 398.64 400.27 400.6 402.9 404.27 409.01 411.54 412.2 415.52 416.51 419.83 EN2009c C MEE094 2 396.25 399.194 396.4 399.194 Uh nope , don't think so . Um 397.44 398.58 EN2009c A MEE095 0 411.439 411.794 411.47 411.69 Yep . 411.69 EN2009c A MEE095 0 414.676 416.294 414.75 416.12 Yeah , um bu 415.12 EN2009c A MEE095 0 420.08 435.039 420.29 434.98 Yeah , yeah . I um I think the o the only thing I've got left to do before the experiments can be run is get s is get the check Camtasia works . Um now I've got Camtasia running on machines and I think they're set up correctly . But I can't test it until we get the microphones working . Microphones . 420.61 420.96 426.91 430.51 434.3 434.98 EN2009c C MEE094 2 426.224 426.976 426.26 426.94 Mm-hmm . 426.94 EN2009c B FEE083 1 433.532 436.192 433.58 436.09 Until you get the oh , microphones . 435.46 436.09 EN2009c A MEE095 0 435.97 436.641 435.97 436.641 'Cause - EN2009c C MEE094 2 436.047 441.81 436.37 441.78 Uh it's batteries we're waiting for . The they're they're due uh i I was told the beginning of this week . 438.47 441.78 EN2009c B FEE083 1 438.463 439.344 438.54 439.17 Batteries . 439.17 EN2009c B FEE083 1 442.525 445.431 442.57 445.36 Okay , uh are they really really strange batteries ? 443.3 445.36 EN2009c C MEE094 2 445.428 459.192 445.57 459.14 Um th they are quite strange . Mm uh uh it's w uh r um a Avril has ordered them from somewhere possibly . N no . They're probably one fifty each or something like that . 448.27 455.3 456.44 459.14 EN2009c B FEE083 1 448.352 449.331 448.39 449.27 Have you tried Maplin ? 449.27 EN2009c B FEE083 1 454.221 454.962 454.26 454.93 Are they expensive ? 454.93 EN2009c B FEE083 1 459.032 464.646 459.08 464.61 'Cause you know , like a wee bus journey over to Maplin might solve the problem if it's getting in the way . 459.61 464.61 EN2009c C MEE094 2 465.033 474.272 465.12 474.19 Uh well hopefully . The they should've been here last week . But uh Caroline then phoned up to chase them and they they were s they were told to be here . Should be today . 466.42 468.0 473.39 474.19 EN2009c B FEE083 1 474.416 479.346 474.44 479.24 So this isn't actually um ruining your schedule for anything , and that's why you're waiting . 478.39 479.24 EN2009c C MEE094 2 479.856 489.28 479.88 489.23 Uh r b well we can still test whether Camtasia runs anyway . It's just the uh whether it's the microphones are picking up things correctly that we need to check . 484.28 489.23 EN2009c B FEE083 1 488.405 515.045 488.48 514.99 Right , okay . It is i so it sounds like you're not actually worried about the fact that this is the m yeah . When you get worried , go to Maplin , okay . Phone them first to make sure that they're in there . Somebody around must have a uh probably Steve . Somebody in the techie group will have a Maplin catalogue . Fact , I'll see if I can um yeah , it's useful to know who's got a current one anyway . I don't seem to get them anymore . I guess I don't buy enough equipment . 488.77 489.51 495.46 496.7 497.47 498.37 500.19 503.16 506.52 507.06 508.37 511.77 513.78 514.99 EN2009c C MEE094 2 493.357 498.744 493.43 498.744 Not yet , no . Right . 494.19 497.47 498.48 EN2009c C MEE094 2 506.282 506.804 506.39 506.76 Mm right-o . 506.76 EN2009c A MEE095 0 516.666 522.22 518.28 522.22 Ah . Well he must some these days anyway , isn't it . So so 518.46 520.12 520.43 EN2009c B FEE083 1 520.98 523.505 521.1 523.37 Oh yeah . Of course . Duh . 521.66 523.06 523.37 EN2009c B FEE083 1 524.976 533.648 525.05 533.61 So you can find out whether they have it . But you'd have to phone over to find out if they have it in stock down there . I actually live not that far from there . Um so 526.86 529.96 532.47 EN2009c C MEE094 2 525.575 526.619 525.7 526.17 Virtual . 526.17 EN2009c C MEE094 2 529.198 529.897 529.3 529.82 Yep . 529.82 EN2009c B FEE083 1 535.141 551.935 535.17 551.88 it would be a half hour um diversion from my morning routine to pick up stuff . Uh w but then again , it's also very close to Haymarket , so it's even less of a diversion for you , probably . Except you don't know your way around . 542.9 544.14 547.02 549.93 550.66 551.88 EN2009c C MEE094 2 541.072 544.072 541.072 544.072 Uh right . But what we're 543.19 EN2009c A MEE095 0 546.32 548.103 546.34 547.99 Yeah . So we all got off easy . 546.8 547.99 EN2009c A MEE095 0 551.064 564.146 551.12 564.146 Yeah . Ah well ca I can easy I can easy get to mapl uh to Maplin I know where it is off I used to live there . So I know I know where I used to live here . I'm a geek . I know where I know where Maplin is . 552.25 556.64 560.13 560.52 563.24 EN2009c B FEE083 1 556.151 559.521 556.19 559.521 Ah yeah . Oh yeah , c yeah . 557.52 558.0 559.41 EN2009c C MEE094 2 559.916 562.755 560.01 562.755 I I - EN2009c B FEE083 1 562.679 570.639 562.73 570.5 Yeah . I just think well , you know , for the sake of three quid or however many quid it how many batteries does this thing take ? Doesn't take a hundred . 563.47 564.36 564.97 569.63 570.5 EN2009c C MEE094 2 568.229 572.435 568.4 572.13 Mm-hmm . It no , it's two batteries we need . 569.96 570.7 572.13 EN2009c B FEE083 1 572.315 575.18 572.35 574.95 Yeah , then , you know , put your mind at rest . 573.2 573.59 573.83 574.95 EN2009c B FEE083 1 576.925 582.61 576.97 582.39 'Cause , you know , you wouldn't want it to be the morning you were supposed to be recording and then suddenly discover yeah . You know this . 577.27 577.46 581.74 582.39 EN2009c C MEE094 2 579.743 583.168 579.97 582.92 Uh no no . No . Yes . 581.55 582.54 582.92 EN2009c A MEE095 0 580.818 581.116 580.85 581.02 Yeah . 581.02 EN2009c A MEE095 0 583.277 591.594 583.3 591.5 Well I suppose I could gi I could give you a call on the way in tomorrow and if th not bi it's not been in your in your f um pigeon hole , I can easy go off the train and early and just pick 'em up from there . 588.75 591.5 EN2009c C MEE094 2 591.99 594.537 592.05 594.48 Fair fair enough if you want . Mm-hmm . 593.95 594.48 EN2009c B FEE083 1 592.496 595.379 592.56 595.21 Uh check they got 'em first though . Their stocks are a bit funny down there . 593.92 595.21 EN2009c A MEE095 0 595.808 600.819 595.88 600.72 Right , yeah . Well I'll make sure I make a I'll make sure of I got the f the phone number in my phone so I can call them . 596.19 596.56 600.72 EN2009c B FEE083 1 600.88 607.267 600.9 607.267 'Cause you know , it's not that attractive an area to walk through if you're not gonna get anything out of it . 601.31 607.04 EN2009c A MEE095 0 603.83 612.709 603.83 612.709 All true . True . Um uh it's Dalry road , isn't it . Um 606.57 607.54 611.34 612.14 EN2009c B FEE083 1 612.444 617.849 612.55 617.76 So of all the things that were on the Wiki do I need to pull up the Wiki ? Ah , it is gonna let me log in . 616.83 616.91 617.76 EN2009c C MEE094 2 621.616 628.095 621.616 628.095 It's still probably even that angle . 628.02 EN2009c B FEE083 1 626.304 631.126 626.304 630.87 No , I do not wanna change my password . 629.41 630.87 EN2009c B FEE083 1 636.859 637.536 636.94 637.536 Um - EN2009c B FEE083 1 639.472 644.72 639.54 644.62 But you guys probably know off the top of your head , is there anything else that we we we were waiting on before you could run ? 641.03 644.62 EN2009c C MEE094 2 644.531 646.327 644.55 646.327 Can't remember the Wiki . D um 645.35 EN2009c B FEE083 1 648.704 650.512 648.76 650.46 So all those tasks Craig had when it started . 650.46 EN2009c C MEE094 2 648.725 665.566 648.92 665.566 The only thing that well the thing that's holding s me slightly up is um checking whether Joe's f finished that there i there is a working um model builder . But I'm not sure if it's the finished finished version yet . And the the ninth 661.18 663.95 EN2009c B FEE083 1 664.145 667.248 664.145 667.19 Uh his last day was the thirty first of October . 667.19 EN2009c C MEE094 2 668.181 678.07 668.35 677.81 Yeah , he still had n hours left . I wasn't sure uh if it was down to the number of hours or whether thirty first of October f uh certainly uh uh he right . 668.71 670.26 677.81 EN2009c B FEE083 1 675.904 691.645 675.99 691.42 Uh yeah , no no . It's ours . Yeah , it's ours . Oh , so he's got ours left.He's behind-hand . But no , he was billing for he was billing by the hour . So I thought well , I mean obviously if he wants to finish off then you know . I b 676.49 676.91 677.65 677.91 678.88 678.98 681.13 681.46 684.2 686.63 690.47 EN2009c C MEE094 2 680.688 682.895 680.82 682.66 I think he's had something like seven . 682.66 EN2009c C MEE094 2 691.005 695.724 691.08 695.65 But uh n I've n ni Nijmegen has gone dead for all those last two weeks . 695.65 EN2009c B FEE083 1 696.272 697.328 696.33 697.29 Oh well they're probably away then . 697.29 EN2009c C MEE094 2 698.594 704.788 698.71 704.65 Well uh it w e e Ellen's away . N no , um but I think what they had was some big review . 700.93 701.78 704.65 EN2009c B FEE083 1 698.766 701.153 698.81 701.06 Wasn't Ellen away ? They're really at the same place . 699.9 701.06 EN2009c B FEE083 1 706.336 707.584 706.36 707.53 Oh , yeah it could be it . 706.82 707.53 EN2009c C MEE094 2 706.404 712.773 706.42 712.773 Uh a and so I haven't heard anything back from them . So uh the models for 710.0 EN2009c B FEE083 1 712.464 715.56 712.48 715.48 Oh , you have no models at all . Oh , that's a pity . 712.62 714.28 714.93 715.48 EN2009c B FEE083 1 717.36 725.11 717.38 725.01 Model buil builder , that's what I was calling the graphical model editor , right ? So you use X_ fig to make the parts and then you this thing . 718.29 720.42 721.07 725.01 EN2009c C MEE094 2 720.94 739.608 721.03 739.55 Yes , uh-huh . Well no . Well we don't need to um make the the parts are all the standard tangram ones I had before anyway . The X_ fig thing's only when we come to building airplanes and new peculiar shapes . Uh but for this experiment it's just the tangram type uh task . 721.61 721.88 724.16 729.3 734.8 739.55 EN2009c B FEE083 1 729.3 729.925 729.39 729.82 Oh okay . 729.82 EN2009c B FEE083 1 738.352 738.568 738.37 738.53 Yep . 738.53 EN2009c B FEE083 1 739.868 752.062 739.91 751.94 Okay . Um I have something in my email about from Joe . Uh he wouldn't have sent it just to me , would he ? Do you want me to check that ? I'm not gonna project my email . 740.48 745.68 748.11 749.02 750.58 751.94 EN2009c A MEE095 0 740.535 740.759 740.58 740.67 Yep . 740.67 EN2009c C MEE094 2 749.745 752.802 749.745 752.802 Um yeah , if you got right . 751.12 752.68 EN2009c C MEE094 2 754.819 760.746 754.9 760.746 How r f how recently that nothing I haven't i heard anything from Joe for a a week or so anyway . So 760.32 EN2009c A MEE095 0 754.751 756.38 754.92 756.28 I t I'd say you don't be . 756.28 EN2009c B FEE083 1 760.415 765.511 760.58 765.48 Okay , I think I mighta heard Thursday or something . I can't remember exactly when it was . 760.94 763.69 765.48 EN2009c C MEE094 2 763.752 766.917 763.99 766.917 Yeah . That's that's newer than the 765.08 EN2009c B FEE083 1 779.903 780.798 779.92 780.798 Uh - EN2009c A MEE095 0 781.824 783.066 781.88 783.066 Mm . 782.73 EN2009c C MEE094 2 783.424 804.207 783.46 804.16 It's the last thing was in sp response to the thing I was saying last week about the parallelogram being the wrong way around and uh w from the model builder to the actual yeah . Um that nothing has I haven't heard anything since from either sort of the Netherlands or from you . 796.87 804.16 EN2009c A MEE095 0 794.553 796.928 794.66 796.71 Yeah , yeah . screen shots . Yeah , yeah . 794.85 795.43 796.01 796.35 796.71 EN2009c B FEE083 1 804.464 819.344 804.48 819.22 Okay , so I've got something on the twenty eighth . That's Friday I think . Oh , he just wants to know how to get paid . Right . That suggests he's done done done . Anyway , he's in Edinburgh . So well I suppose he won't come by 'cause Craig's on his desk . 804.89 806.49 808.63 808.8 813.35 813.58 815.3 815.61 816.25 819.22 EN2009c A MEE095 0 804.784 805.099 804.83 805.02 Oh . 805.02 EN2009c A MEE095 0 806.068 806.416 806.09 806.35 Hmm . 806.35 EN2009c C MEE094 2 810.176 815.373 810.176 815.15 Yep . 815.15 EN2009c C MEE094 2 819.709 823.69 819.95 823.69 Oh , is he back ? Oh is he ? Oh no , right okay . 820.03 820.93 821.47 821.95 823.62 EN2009c B FEE083 1 821.008 823.428 821.03 823.428 Yeah . So 822.31 EN2009c A MEE095 0 823.872 831.231 824.4 831.231 Well I'm I'm using DICE machines . If he wants to pop in for five minutes , the the Windows machine is free for him at the moment . 825.75 827.29 831.15 EN2009c B FEE083 1 829.184 833.187 829.184 833.05 Well , he's just not gonna try to le squat there , that's all . 830.99 832.62 833.05 EN2009c B FEE083 1 835.216 844.525 835.32 844.525 Uh well I so the last thing I've got from him about work work was the nineteenth of October that said he uploaded some changes that you wanted . That's 844.1 EN2009c B FEE083 1 845.984 850.848 846.02 850.848 Oh , so you didn't get that . It was me and him . But presumably the he put it on the Wiki . So 846.23 847.42 848.92 850.52 EN2009c B FEE083 1 852.692 855.2 852.71 855.17 So he's just telling us 'cause he things we probably don't read Wikis . 855.17 EN2009c B FEE083 1 857.925 859.36 857.97 859.18 And I'll just check . 859.18 EN2009c C MEE094 2 859.856 869.085 859.92 868.95 Yeah , it was after it was after that that uh there was the thing about um w w why the parallelogram was the was a mirror image . 860.03 868.95 EN2009c A MEE095 0 860.3 861.072 860.34 861.03 Yeah . 861.03 EN2009c A MEE095 0 869.783 881.082 869.82 881.082 Yeah I mean I considering we get an email from uh the I think it got sent through saying that he'd updated the the whatever it was on the Wiki . So you do he'd he'd uploaded a ne a new zip file and overwritten the old one . So 875.94 880.68 EN2009c C MEE094 2 879.136 879.808 879.23 879.77 Mm-hmm . 879.77 EN2009c B FEE083 1 880.166 891.152 880.21 891.11 Yeah . Well I I haven't replied to him about yeah , I really don't have anything more more recent from him . S I haven't replied to him about um 881.9 885.47 888.49 EN2009c B FEE083 1 893.104 922.592 893.12 922.38 you know , how to submit costs and stuff like that . So um but that suggests he's at at the end of things , but w we could just ask him . I mean maybe you guys would just wanna ask him directly you're done done , right ? 'Cause um it's worth you guys knowing . And then of course any problems that remain you inherit . Uh right , you know , it's worth taking a look at what it does and making sure it does what you want , I guess . So th the problem is you want you wanted to construct some models in it for your experiment but you were hoping to get some from Marloes . 893.47 895.46 898.9 900.18 902.63 903.55 906.36 910.07 911.53 911.74 915.47 916.38 922.38 EN2009c A MEE095 0 910.9 911.293 910.97 911.23 Yep . 911.23 EN2009c C MEE094 2 913.938 914.585 913.938 914.585 . 914.585 EN2009c C MEE094 2 920.096 920.691 920.22 920.62 Yes . 920.62 EN2009c C MEE094 2 922.417 937.32 922.52 937.18 Yes , or at l least um she was meant to have have some idea of the level of complexity . 'Cause they d they d have actually run things and to uh get an idea of the sort of style and to check that they'd be alright . But all very quiet . 923.06 927.96 935.2 937.18 EN2009c B FEE083 1 929.575 930.736 929.64 930.69 Ah yeah , yeah . 929.88 930.69 EN2009c B FEE083 1 937.436 942.578 937.49 942.578 Right , have you you tried cold-calling her ? That's what I do when I need things that 937.89 940.32 EN2009c C MEE094 2 940.385 940.834 940.53 940.64 Yeah . 940.64 EN2009c C MEE094 2 943.334 954.204 943.44 954.204 Uh no , it has just been email rather than uh f f the telephone type of uh request . But 944.12 951.8 EN2009c B FEE083 1 950.084 951.467 950.24 951.3 Ach , try phone . 950.35 951.3 EN2009c B FEE083 1 953.824 956.401 953.84 956.29 When i if you get 'em today , when are you gonna start running ? 955.35 956.29 EN2009c C MEE094 2 959.056 966.214 959.056 966.12 I'm down for a week . What's the seventh is a w a week today , I think . Next week . 962.25 964.94 965.78 966.12 EN2009c B FEE083 1 965.536 968.117 965.62 968.07 Oh right . So you have to be you have to be ready by then . 966.02 968.07 EN2009c C MEE094 2 968.219 979.893 968.33 979.81 Um well uh I haven't booked anybody in or anything . But uh that's when I'm hoping . We have been of course put back a bit by the eye tracker going down . 972.13 975.2 979.81 EN2009c B FEE083 1 970.144 972.041 970.2 971.97 Yeah , or re change the schedule . 970.48 971.97 EN2009c B FEE083 1 974.432 975.286 974.49 975.2 Right , okay . 974.78 975.2 EN2009c B FEE083 1 980.4 982.592 980.44 982.49 Uh-huh , yeah . Makes sense . 980.89 981.89 982.49 EN2009c B FEE083 1 983.968 987.055 983.99 986.62 Um subjects , you're gonna have d 986.18 EN2009c A MEE095 0 984.515 984.985 984.65 984.91 Yep . 984.91 EN2009c C MEE094 2 985.342 991.84 985.61 991.65 But uh we're we're needing we're certainly needing some data in the bag by the first of December , I think 991.29 EN2009c B FEE083 1 991.856 996.272 991.88 996.19 Yeah . So s y y you don't have subjects lined up , but you don't expect any trouble getting them . 992.43 994.5 996.19 EN2009c C MEE094 2 994.627 995.028 994.72 994.91 No . 994.91 EN2009c C MEE094 2 996.72 999.41 996.74 999.41 Um hopefully not . 999.26 EN2009c B FEE083 1 998.977 999.513 999.02 999.44 Mm-hmm . 999.44 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1000.748 1016.025 1000.82 1015.99 The only other slight complication is um which will be b I think brought up at the meeting on Thursday for all the eye tracking users . Um uh the lab has been block-booked again . 1012.22 1015.99 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1011.328 1011.892 1011.35 1011.81 Yeah . 1011.81 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1016.688 1017.36 1016.71 1017.29 By ? 1017.29 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1017.486 1021.502 1017.486 1021.26 Jules from um Psychology . 1021.26 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1021.952 1047.418 1021.99 1047.418 Um I don't know this person . So they well , they need to be serious about it . Who who's their is that a staff member or a student ? Okay . Um well , we kinda paid for the lab . So it depends , but I suppose talking to them sometimes solves these problems . Um you might it depends on what sort of staff member is it ? Is it a 1024.75 1028.0 1029.24 1032.64 1033.26 1034.63 1037.08 1039.3 1042.68 1046.76 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1027.936 1029.241 1028.04 1029.04 Have di - EN2009c C MEE094 2 1031.428 1031.856 1031.54 1031.82 Yep . 1031.82 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1047.264 1048.286 1047.45 1048.04 Lecturer . 1048.04 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1048.768 1053.536 1048.79 1053.536 Right . Um I mean presumably he or she is not running subjects the entire 1049.55 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1053.984 1068.182 1054.0 1068.05 Well presumably not . But uh it's sort of quite solidly booked uh for f certainly w what six days from ten till five for two or three of those days . 1055.13 1068.05 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1056.748 1057.893 1056.82 1057.8 Block book for how long ? 1057.8 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1064.7 1065.161 1064.77 1065.07 Uh-huh . 1065.07 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1068.496 1092.099 1068.6 1091.97 Uh-huh . Um so uh um Ellen's still out of town , right ? It's just uh y you could try calling this person and see how this works . Ellen might be more persuasive . Um it's just sometimes uh academic staff have a bit of a chip about um research staff . And since I don't know the person , I can't tell whether it's one of those or not . 1069.47 1072.58 1073.58 1079.3 1081.69 1089.22 1090.39 1091.97 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1091.644 1098.997 1091.81 1098.88 Um I wouldn't I no I can probably at least email her and ask her uh if she's really needing it all that time . 1098.88 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1099.6 1116.748 1099.65 1116.62 Mm-hmm . Yeah , and then escalate , I guess . But uh , you know , or whether they can be put off for a little bit or something . So I have no idea how the booking system works . Well , you're discussing it on Thursday , right ? At the moment , there's just a booking system . Yeah . 1099.99 1100.29 1101.54 1102.75 1104.35 1104.61 1108.67 1111.94 1112.17 1113.16 1114.2 1114.72 1116.3 1116.62 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1112.64 1119.726 1112.69 1119.6 I i well yeah , at the m yep . When people just uh if they can log on to it can book it . 1114.08 1117.12 1119.6 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1120.494 1131.968 1120.53 1131.61 Yep . Well that's that's one to raise at the meeting . Um I v might talk to Ellen about that ahead of time 'cause uh they may have she and Martin may have had discussions about appropriate use of the lab . 1120.93 1123.43 1131.61 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1122.608 1123.216 1122.72 1123.16 Mm-hmm . 1123.16 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1130.055 1134.427 1130.21 1134.32 Uh i th in theory JAST is meant to have it every morning . 1134.32 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1135.376 1141.76 1135.4 1141.76 Oh really ? Yeah , but I g don't you guys set up for isn't block-booking more appropriate ? Because 1136.53 1136.82 1140.98 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1143.017 1146.624 1143.07 1146.58 I i isn't there set-up involved in changing around for somebody else ? 1146.58 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1147.916 1157.854 1148.02 1157.67 Um but it uh there shouldn't be any changes in the physical connections or or anything . No . 1157.47 1157.67 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1155.44 1158.625 1155.46 1158.5 No ? Or in the software or anything ? Okay . 1155.83 1158.1 1158.5 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1160.064 1163.665 1160.08 1163.53 So there's no cost associated with it being mornings or afternoons . 1163.53 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1164.032 1174.484 1164.17 1174.484 Uh no . that as long as p other people don't for some reason , I don't know , disconnect some bits of the equipment , there's no reason why they should . It's just the 1165.37 1168.53 1169.42 1172.21 1173.58 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1173.552 1184.396 1173.57 1184.3 Yeah . S so in the worst case um you may be able to make an argument if you actually need that week that you can collect in the mornings that week . Is this something that's known outside Ellen's head ? 1174.62 1181.92 1184.3 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1184.54 1201.762 1184.65 1201.52 Uh yes , it's um it's on the p uh it's not on the booking system . It's on a web page that Frank created about the lab . Which I don't know if anybody actually knows is there . Mm-hmm . 1185.83 1190.24 1194.0 1201.08 1201.52 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1186.736 1188.269 1186.76 1188.15 It's on the w booking system . 1188.15 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1193.44 1194.647 1193.5 1194.4 Oh well . That's something . 1193.89 1194.4 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1197.662 1209.549 1197.78 1209.549 Uh-huh . Well , most the time to to p yeah . So it sounds like you've got a lot of possible ways of getting what time you need . Of course try to be kind to other people . But you would anyway . So 1199.1 1199.42 1201.63 1204.76 1207.01 1209.18 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1199.258 1199.78 1199.41 1199.61 Yeah . 1199.61 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1208.843 1209.344 1208.9 1209.19 Yep . 1209.19 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1213.444 1222.741 1213.54 1222.64 So those are the only things that are worrying you , Camtasia and lab access . And otherwise no sweat , you're happy . 1215.27 1219.33 1222.08 1222.64 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1223.679 1238.546 1223.75 1238.42 Should should be . I've also got to get Camtasia we well , yes the m the model builder . I've got to get Camtasia working um as a sort of little multi-media thing to generate a video of how to mi sort of a an instructional video . 1225.24 1227.78 1228.78 1238.42 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1226.1 1227.665 1226.18 1227.58 Oh and the model builders , yeah . 1227.3 1227.58 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1238.368 1239.674 1238.39 1239.6 Oh yeah . H uh-huh . 1239.04 1239.6 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1241.106 1241.596 1241.21 1241.48 Yeah . 1241.48 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1241.256 1243.043 1241.28 1242.92 These this is gonna take a little while . 1242.92 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1244.094 1247.088 1244.33 1247.088 It's what I'll have to do this week . 1247.04 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1246.163 1246.645 1246.23 1246.51 Mm-hmm . 1246.51 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1246.251 1255.632 1246.34 1255.632 Yeah . Well when the whole thing was if it was gonna run a trial that'll give you some some screen shots to work with . And then it'll just be a matter of adding new video f mouse movements or whatever . So 1247.04 1250.9 1254.82 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1250.959 1251.508 1251.03 1251.43 Hmm . 1251.43 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1255.824 1266.154 1255.84 1266.1 Yeah , but you were gonna try and figure out how to overlay something on top of the video that or no , you were just g really gonna run a video of the sep of the trial . Yeah , okay . That's that's much easier . 1255.98 1260.81 1264.36 1264.54 1265.05 1266.1 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1260.809 1261.334 1260.809 1261.17 U - EN2009c C MEE094 2 1263.968 1264.958 1263.99 1264.9 Yep , yeah . 1264.67 1264.9 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1268.821 1278.664 1268.88 1278.48 So um with the model-builder , what do you need to do with it ? Th the um which one you is gonna look at what it does so far and you'll just t try out do that . Yeah . 1270.28 1271.97 1278.16 1278.48 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1276.263 1280.624 1276.32 1280.59 Uh I'll I'll do that . Yeah , and just yeah . Mm-hmm . 1277.52 1277.67 1280.02 1280.59 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1279.258 1290.718 1279.3 1290.65 Uh have a look . If you th anything prob any problems with it um think there's a Wiki page up for that f for that piece of uh for yeah , for that thing . So if if you just put just put whatever recommendations , bugs on that page and I'll work through them read 'em as and when I can . 1279.86 1284.96 1285.41 1287.33 1290.65 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1285.289 1286.32 1285.31 1286.28 Mm . 1286.28 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1289.132 1301.098 1289.19 1301.098 Have a look at uh um hopef hopefully there's not a p a problem . But uh they said Marloes was uh also meant to be checking it and doing things and quiet . 1292.78 1300.96 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1291.264 1291.69 1291.29 1291.6 Yeah . 1291.6 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1293.785 1294.15 1293.87 1294.08 Yeah . 1294.08 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1300.103 1307.36 1300.2 1307.36 Uh-huh . Um how many models were you relying on her for ? So are you suddenly gonna be 1301.78 1305.99 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1300.506 1302.56 1300.53 1302.56 Yeah , yeah . Um 1301.11 1301.98 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1305.696 1310.557 1305.76 1310.557 Um I've I uh it hasn't been divided up in that sort of way . But 1310.22 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1309.453 1314.952 1309.55 1314.91 Well , what I'm trying to get at is is your start time gonna be delayed 'cause you don't have the models ready if she doesn't come through ? 1309.98 1314.91 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1315.15 1324.12 1315.44 1323.97 Um depends how quickly I manage to get a grip of it , how long it takes me to generate them or how I get on with the Camtasia . 1320.66 1323.97 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1324.816 1327.568 1324.88 1327.568 Uh-huh . Yeah . Well 1325.28 1326.82 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1326.784 1329.207 1326.82 1329.07 Mm-hmm . Un unsure of yet . 1327.54 1329.07 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1326.877 1327.368 1326.95 1327.2 Yeah . 1327.2 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1330.048 1333.114 1330.07 1332.96 Um can you draft Craig in to build some if necessary ? 1332.96 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1333.808 1338.838 1333.83 1338.838 And like these yeah , I mean I've used the software and there's not that hard I mean . Uh 1334.89 1338.5 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1338.178 1355.615 1338.28 1355.53 It it shouldn't the there shouldn't be any great uh problems . Just checking that the they're of a suitable level of complexity or or of whatever . Yeah . Yeah . No quite quite right . Yeah . So yeah . 1341.58 1352.02 1352.65 1352.81 1353.87 1354.14 1355.53 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1346.604 1354.88 1346.7 1354.88 Yeah . Well you know me contingency planning and all this . I always worry about the worst . 1347.68 1350.41 1354.73 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1347.408 1347.857 1347.43 1347.72 Yeah . 1347.72 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1352.824 1353.67 1353.05 1353.67 If - EN2009c A MEE095 0 1356.101 1383.091 1356.49 1382.81 Yeah . So well I can't imagine the building the building the mold is gonna be that hard . I mean I can easily just well however many thousands are on that uh Dutch web site you found . Just , you know , pick pick some of them , redo them in in the Ja in the J_C_D_ format . That's yeah . It's pretty mechanical . I can easily d easily do that . So but it's a matter of choosing which ones you need to do . Which I guess you have to do . Well yeah . Yeah well you need to you you and Marloes need to sort out , yeah . 1356.67 1359.23 1364.3 1364.79 1365.28 1366.83 1369.38 1371.44 1372.35 1373.71 1377.46 1379.88 1380.41 1382.63 1382.81 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1376.192 1383.907 1376.56 1383.69 Um yeah . well I was hoping for some feedback from yeah . Yeah , exactly . 1378.52 1382.59 1383.13 1383.69 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1384.112 1405.31 1384.13 1405.31 You can um call a JAST telcon between you and Marloes . You know , i if it's not that see , you know , with the cold calling you can usually at least find out whether they're alive and get an an offer to to get something . But , you know , the next the next escalation is saying no we really need to talk about this . We're gonna talk about it , you know , Tuesday , at such such a time unless you 1388.58 1389.51 1391.34 1391.52 1397.69 1397.96 1398.16 1402.13 1403.05 1403.27 1403.64 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1389.849 1390.371 1389.849 1390.371 . 1390.371 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1395.264 1397.792 1395.264 1397.792 Yes . 1397.5 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1405.779 1412.034 1405.91 1412.034 Yep , mm book a time and I think so . Right . Well , I'll try and get ahold of her again today and see what 1406.4 1408.92 1409.28 1409.43 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1406.643 1407.368 1406.643 1407.368 um - EN2009c B FEE083 1 1410.966 1413.896 1411.01 1413.85 But presumably whatever it is they've been going through is now over . 1413.85 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1413.65 1424.747 1413.76 1424.747 I think it it was up till the end of October . So presumably today they're now free again . Or taking a week off to recover . Yes . 1416.27 1420.05 1422.76 1424.59 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1417.84 1421.149 1417.86 1421.03 Mm-hmm . Yeah . I d 1419.19 1420.79 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1424.032 1428.041 1424.05 1427.94 I'd just hate for that to c um to slow you up in collecting stuff , that's all . 1427.51 1427.94 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1428.051 1443.412 1428.17 1443.14 Um well hopefully it it won't anyway . It's just if I then do it I hopefully will get the right models . That's that's the pro so uh uh it will be generated . It's whether the models are optimal or not that I think that's right . 1431.78 1436.18 1438.6 1443.14 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1435.093 1438.658 1435.14 1438.658 Obvious yeah , uh okay , that's true . Well that sounds 1436.34 1436.97 1437.97 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1440.3 1454.442 1440.4 1454.32 That's quite a small thing she can do for you , I guess . You know . It's not like , you know , w sitting there brain deadly constructing , you know , some models that she needs to do . It's just to provide advice about this , which must take take less time . 1442.07 1442.8 1443.58 1444.07 1444.33 1448.43 1448.68 1449.94 1451.76 1454.32 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1447.472 1448.13 1447.55 1448.08 Mm-hmm . 1448.08 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1452.096 1452.555 1452.12 1452.42 Yep . 1452.42 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1457.152 1463.257 1457.17 1463.15 Well , that all sounds fine . You guys worried about it ? You worried about anything ? We've mostly been talking about the experiment schedule . So . 1457.6 1459.55 1460.26 1461.25 1462.91 1463.15 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1463.005 1475.988 1463.11 1475.988 Um I don't think don't think so . I mean uh so the the major thing I've gotta d got to do is get this Camtasia sorted out . So just waiting for the batteries for that . Um if Robin's not worried I'm not worried . Um 1465.05 1468.61 1470.66 1475.18 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1470.502 1470.963 1470.57 1470.87 Mm . 1470.87 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1472.64 1475.818 1472.64 1475.71 Mm-hmm . 1475.71 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1475.68 1482.208 1475.73 1482.17 You're gonna run out of things to um f do that we haven't set you up for any time soon . The G_D_F_ sounds like it might take a wee while . 1480.27 1482.17 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1480.048 1480.804 1480.07 1480.77 Um p - EN2009c A MEE095 0 1482.236 1488.449 1482.35 1488.449 Yeah , yeah , 'cause I'll go gotta finalise that format and then once that's done , I've gotta start looking at the analysis side of it . And that's 1482.69 1482.88 1485.31 1487.95 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1486.337 1491.773 1486.46 1491.773 Mm-hmm . Well so it was the whole all the dynamic region part of it that's uh 1487.01 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1490.905 1492.303 1490.96 1492.303 Yeah . Um 1491.52 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1491.754 1496.339 1491.82 1496.12 Yeah , but you don't need anything from me for that , 'cause that's already sorta speced . I mean again that's the pair of you . 1492.21 1493.57 1494.86 1496.12 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1496.348 1508.657 1496.44 1508.55 Yeah , yeah . I think yeah . No , the the analysis I think the analysis will take a little while . I don't think it's gonna take that long to get its stuff sorted out . It's gonna be how to display it and all that sort of stuff . Uh whatever makes it easiest for you to do . Um but once w 1496.78 1497.1 1497.91 1498.03 1499.94 1502.26 1504.96 1506.96 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1504.958 1505.542 1504.98 1505.51 Mm-hmm . 1505.51 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1506.216 1520.572 1506.29 1520.49 Yeah . It's just what I'm worrying it w worried about is him being in the lab all day long and you not being sure like what to do for the analysis on or something . 'Cause you're gonna be completely unavailable when you're recording ? Or will there be times when you don't record all day . 1507.52 1515.58 1518.05 1520.49 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1519.378 1541.451 1519.45 1541.451 Uh n um no . Uh well it depends how how many I can book in and get get running . Yeah . And before my brain melts it But w when when the experiment's running , yeah , it's I'll be in the lab . Uh I can't just go in , let them get start and then come back . It's uh so some people can , but 1521.78 1526.79 1527.43 1531.25 1531.61 1533.51 1534.86 1536.84 1538.87 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1525.216 1525.701 1525.28 1525.52 Uh-huh . 1525.52 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1533.216 1553.674 1533.24 1553.48 Yeah . 'Cause he might oh yeah , no no no , I understand that . It was it was more like oh , it was more like , you know , you so this week he's got , you know , the G_D_F_ stuff to do . Then next week you're planning on recording . And what happens if suddenly you're unavailable all of next week just when he runs out of work ? 1533.74 1536.03 1536.53 1537.64 1541.04 1541.54 1541.95 1544.69 1544.94 1546.21 1549.29 1553.48 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1535.216 1535.966 1535.3 1535.966 Hmm . 1535.44 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1552.239 1561.591 1552.31 1561.4 Uh th they'll certainly be time because I'm right next to the lab anyway , I'll come back just to check my email and things anyway , so uh yeah . 1556.41 1559.78 1561.4 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1558.3 1561.452 1558.39 1561.38 Yeah . So so we'll worry about it then . 1559.47 1561.38 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1559.957 1589.234 1560.03 1589.13 Yeah , yeah . Um yeah , so I still gotta work on the gest analyzer and turn that into the t into a G_D_F_ outputter . Um and uh oh yeah , and I'll I can have a look at the model builder as well . Um 'cause one thing I'm thinking about is w we're looking at the the part building pa type stuff . Uh and it might worth seeing if we can add a little part builder thing into the um model builder . Um just just the ju I just gotta tidy tidy up some the code for generating the parts anyway , the J_C_T_ um parts from from S_V_G_s . Yeah . 1560.4 1561.45 1562.16 1566.76 1568.71 1570.44 1575.24 1580.46 1584.64 1588.76 1589.13 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1566.86 1567.708 1566.91 1567.67 Mm-hmm , yeah . 1567.29 1567.67 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1570.589 1571.083 1570.63 1570.99 Yeah . 1570.99 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1586.271 1591.646 1586.33 1591.51 What I do don't know is we wanna bother with a part builder . I mean the idea was it wasn't worth the investment , right ? 1588.72 1591.18 1591.51 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1591.103 1610.905 1591.25 1610.905 Yeah , yeah . But I'll wanna have a qui have a quick look and see see how easy it is to add this things to it . 'Cause um if if I can use it to generate um um the rotsym angle for example and the rotation symmetry stuff for it , which is what was causing the bugs uh before . Um so if I if I can use the model builder to automatically do that then that would sa that would save quite a bit of work and it'll d save a few bugs . So 1591.68 1592.2 1595.88 1602.69 1604.74 1610.38 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1591.735 1592.303 1591.8 1592.19 Mm-hmm . 1592.19 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1602.064 1606.052 1602.08 1605.92 Yeah yeah yeah . Or Do y 1604.42 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1604.443 1605.028 1604.49 1604.84 Mm-hmm . 1604.84 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1609.145 1617.99 1609.23 1617.99 M yeah , but now now that the guy building these models know that they need to do the rotsym some stuff , do they have do you have trouble doing it ? No , so 1610.51 1614.71 1616.91 1617.33 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1616.224 1616.675 1616.25 1616.53 No . 1616.53 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1617.186 1620.994 1617.3 1620.994 No . It's uh it's just something you gotta remember once the part's been built . So um 1617.51 1619.51 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1619.151 1619.719 1619.25 1619.68 Mm-hmm . 1619.68 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1620.468 1637.541 1620.52 1637.541 Yeah . Well g I mean um we might want to um severely cash limit the investment that you put into making a part builder , right ? So how how many person days would it be worth , like if Craig discovered it could be done in X_ days 1621.02 1630.23 1631.08 1634.39 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1630.101 1633.168 1630.21 1633.168 Yeah , yeah . Well I'm not not not pl not planning do much on that . It's just 1630.5 1630.71 1632.44 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1631.015 1631.797 1631.3 1631.59 Mm-hmm . 1631.59 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1639.576 1642.819 1639.72 1642.819 Uh I wouldn't bother more than one or two certainly . 1642.45 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1642.087 1655.106 1642.16 1654.97 Right , so there's your limit . Don't spend more than a day or two on it . Yeah uh 'cause it really isn't worth it . You you have to understand there's things about this project we've hidden from you so far that you'll have to learn about . So it's it's not like you're out of work . 1642.71 1643.82 1645.93 1647.75 1652.13 1654.97 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1645.65 1647.972 1645.7 1647.78 Yeah . I mean I've I've already I've already got this yeah . 1645.99 1647.78 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1651.116 1658.267 1651.116 1658.13 Yeah , other I saw saw saw saw something about map task like little further down my task list . 1653.7 1658.13 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1658.58 1674.724 1658.69 1674.724 Oh really ? Oh , that one'll just be a little add-on . That'll whatever it is , it'll be the same skills as you've learned for something else . Um and it'll just be I'm not even sure that's you 'cause I think somebody else is doing that actually . But um I'm thinking more of the fact that um at some point we should probably tell you about this N_X_T_ stuff . So 1659.32 1659.48 1660.8 1661.64 1664.21 1668.79 1674.27 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1664.054 1664.692 1664.19 1664.51 Right . 1664.51 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1674.081 1675.821 1674.14 1675.78 Mm-hmm . W 1675.67 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1674.044 1681.082 1674.17 1680.98 Right . Yeah , well that that's that's just X_M_L_ to X_M_L_ to X_M_L_ , isn't it . Turning G_D_F_ and what other bits into N_X_T_ . 1674.44 1674.69 1677.72 1678.2 1680.98 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1678.939 1698.368 1679.04 1698.368 Oh , yeah yeah yeah . But you know , there's X_M_L_ and X_M_L_ and , you know . It takes stand-off links and stuff and it's um some some people if they're not used to linguistic annotation c um uh it c take a little time to get their head around the way the do data data model works . And um , you know , there's stuff to learn there . So 1679.24 1680.64 1681.06 1682.75 1683.52 1695.38 1696.48 1696.99 1697.84 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1683.136 1684.064 1683.16 1684.064 Yeah , yeah . 1683.33 1684.0 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1694.901 1714.272 1694.95 1714.14 Right , right . Um yeah 'cause that's the yeah , o other than you have from what I've heard about it is both X_M_L_ . So the the programming side of it doesn't sound too hard . It's gonna be making sure that it fits what you expect out of the format . So um but no that's that's fine , I'll d I'll have try to find I'll I'll have plen plenty of uh plenty of questions for you once I once I get to the last stage , I'm sure . 1695.51 1696.03 1698.51 1700.96 1703.01 1706.51 1709.3 1713.74 1714.14 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1705.284 1707.292 1705.31 1707.26 Yeah , yeah . Yep . 1705.62 1706.99 1707.26 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1708.609 1709.243 1708.73 1709.243 So - EN2009c B FEE083 1 1714.192 1726.441 1714.21 1726.441 Yeah . So just don't witter away , you know , weeks on fripperies when we've got the real me meat of this yet to come . We'll find we'll find plenty of really really crucial s things for you to do . So 1714.66 1716.19 1716.45 1722.11 1725.19 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1720.005 1721.289 1720.04 1721.289 Mm-hmm . 1721.16 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1721.794 1722.59 1721.89 1722.47 Yeah . Yeah . 1722.2 1722.47 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1724.82 1729.611 1724.82 1729.611 I don't think you'll be twiddling your thumbs , no . 1728.6 1729.19 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1725.228 1725.912 1725.29 1725.912 Yeah , we'll 1725.62 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1727.347 1742.418 1727.347 1742.38 Yeah . Well the we're gonna get Camtasia sorted out this week and then it's concentrate on the on the gest analyzer , the G_D_F_ stuff . Um and then yeah , once once we've done that it's whatever whatever you whate whatever you whatever you want me do once I done the once I've done the G_D_F_ , I guess . 1729.59 1733.87 1734.77 1736.59 1742.01 1742.38 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1741.978 1746.769 1742.04 1746.71 Okay . So uh I'll uh remind myself to look at what's next before the next time we get together . 1742.51 1746.71 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1747.104 1760.396 1747.22 1760.33 Yep . Yeah , so I think the G_D_F_ will keep me busy for a little while yet . So um yeah , well that's yeah , certainly keep me busy until this time next week when we can start suggesting things that might might need to look at for the next stage , I guess . 1748.65 1748.9 1751.12 1754.12 1754.75 1759.89 1760.33 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1759.904 1764.4 1759.92 1764.28 Yeah . So you collect on Monday ? That means you don't wanna meet , right ? 1761.45 1763.01 1763.83 1764.28 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1766.676 1776.705 1766.82 1776.61 Um well at twelve o'clock next Monday the lab is technically booked by Jules . 1776.61 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1777.248 1781.576 1777.27 1781.53 Oh , r right , it's actually next week . It's actually the week that you were planning on . 1777.66 1778.07 1779.07 1781.53 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1779.774 1780.111 1779.89 1780.111 It - EN2009c C MEE094 2 1780.579 1787.599 1780.69 1787.38 Uh it starts the uh on we this Wednesday and goes through to next Wednesday . 1787.38 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1787.577 1788.342 1787.67 1788.24 Oh okay . 1788.24 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1790.543 1800.985 1790.543 1800.83 Well , I don't know . Anyway um you'll tell me whether it we cancel this . Or whether I just talk to Craig . In which case we won't be up here 'cause we don't record twos . 1792.33 1792.85 1796.7 1798.4 1800.83 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1793.07 1793.802 1793.12 1793.66 Mm-hmm . 1793.66 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1801.408 1802.52 1801.43 1802.39 Yep . Okay . 1802.1 1802.39 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1803.694 1810.497 1803.76 1810.45 Um what else ? Uh Yeah . My then other complication is two weeks tomorrow I start my teaching 1805.08 1806.07 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1811.216 1812.687 1811.25 1812.62 Oh yeah . That should be fun . 1812.0 1812.62 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1812.806 1817.376 1812.97 1817.33 Mm-hmm . For I've got two weeks of that , fo four lectures and four labs . 1814.1 1815.45 1817.33 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1814.004 1815.504 1814.08 1815.504 Let's see , that's like the 1814.51 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1818.191 1818.546 1818.27 1818.43 Yeah . 1818.43 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1818.566 1820.344 1818.65 1820.23 That comes at an ideal time for you then . 1820.23 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1820.142 1823.4 1820.142 1823.4 Yes . 1823.35 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1822.812 1824.297 1822.89 1824.19 That's like the twentieth or something . 1824.19 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1825.824 1829.576 1825.9 1829.576 Uh I can't add . Monday is the 1828.38 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1828.046 1835.768 1828.11 1835.69 Uh what's tomorrow , is the f tomorrow the f first ? So it will be the fifteenth for two weeks . 1828.99 1832.9 1835.69 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1832.16 1833.361 1832.19 1833.31 For the first , yeah . Yeah . 1832.7 1833.14 1833.31 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1834.64 1835.12 1834.92 1835.08 Yeah . 1835.08 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1835.776 1844.192 1835.97 1844.192 Hmm . Actually yeah , that reminds me , I wo wo I wo I won't be uh on Thursday I'm gonna be over in my induction day . So so 1836.97 1837.31 1837.78 1842.61 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1841.36 1843.6 1841.38 1843.56 Oh you've got your uh induction , that's right . 1843.23 1843.56 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1844.448 1847.664 1844.47 1847.63 Oh yeah , you have to promise to tell us how that is . 'Cause people do ask me . 1844.76 1846.67 1847.63 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1848.616 1852.951 1848.64 1852.951 Fair enough , fair enough . I mean uh I don't it's meant to be that in depth . It's 1849.2 1849.67 1851.37 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1849.657 1855.205 1849.81 1855.205 Uh yes . From a total waste of time to , you know . 1850.55 1852.58 1854.94 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1852.695 1855.951 1852.85 1855.951 Yeah , on a scale of one to seven . 1853.07 1855.61 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1854.955 1869.989 1854.955 1869.989 Yes , yes . I mean I d I don't expect to be that in depth . I mean it's fifteen minutes on a variety of different topics . So it's just it's uh it is . Uh yes it is . I'm sure most of it I already know . It's like fire safety . Yeah . Health , safety , data protection . Usual sort of stuff you get everywhere . So 1855.61 1856.19 1857.57 1860.03 1862.52 1863.35 1864.4 1865.86 1866.52 1866.77 1867.24 1868.25 1869.6 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1861.04 1861.725 1861.06 1861.47 Yeah . 1861.47 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1868.244 1874.042 1868.37 1873.89 Mm-hmm . It's probably the university'll cover itself legally , I think , by doing this . Uh mm-hmm . 1869.67 1872.2 1872.47 1873.17 1873.89 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1869.735 1871.513 1869.78 1871.513 Yeah , you'd be surpri these things do 1869.99 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1873.943 1874.925 1874.03 1874.86 Yeah . Yeah . 1874.59 1874.86 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1873.856 1884.256 1874.37 1884.256 Well , if they were gonna do that then they'd force you to go to it . I would and I would know somebody who'd gone to know . You know . I'm pretty sure they didn't have induction in my day . So 1874.7 1877.77 1880.23 1882.02 1883.85 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1877.135 1887.339 1877.44 1887.339 Uh no I suppose rather than being Nobody's bothered so far , is it . Uh well I don't remember being asked for an induction . So 1882.03 1884.15 1886.46 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1881.914 1882.394 1882.03 1882.36 Yeah . 1882.36 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1887.04 1888.992 1887.06 1888.992 Really ? But you only started here 1887.87 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1889.264 1889.896 1889.29 1889.82 In April . 1889.82 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1890.432 1890.992 1890.52 1890.75 Mm . 1890.75 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1891.824 1893.112 1891.85 1893.07 They were supposed to , I'm sure . 1892.44 1893.07 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1893.861 1895.845 1893.95 1895.845 Yeah , I mean I can remo 1894.1 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1894.383 1903.446 1894.45 1903.15 I got invited to a um a a a summer garden party for new staff members . But that was but that's all . 1899.5 1903.15 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1903.589 1904.141 1903.69 1904.03 Oh well . 1904.03 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1904.297 1923.138 1904.39 1923.138 Yeah , I can remember when I start being a st when I was sta starting being a student . I mean ha we had the inductions were compulsory because um a lot of students were doing te were doing teaching . And you couldn't do the teaching unless you done the induction because you had to know about health and safety and fire safety before you could take a charge of yeah . 'Cause you were the responsible person in the in the class room . So 1904.49 1906.88 1912.16 1919.21 1921.98 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1916.965 1917.508 1917.1 1917.37 Hmm . 1917.37 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1919.001 1919.972 1919.07 1919.972 Oh yeah . Uh 1919.58 EN2009c A MEE095 0 1925.48 1933.456 1925.5 1933.37 So But uh yeah , I'm not sure I'm not sure why the why why I'm doing it now . But okay . . so see how it go . I'll I'll uh give you my report on Friday or something . 1927.53 1929.0 1930.6 1930.6 1931.23 1933.37 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1925.92 1926.848 1925.95 1926.23 Yep . 1926.23 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1929.794 1930.512 1930.16 1930.46 Uh-uh . 1930.46 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1933.509 1933.962 1933.55 1933.84 Mm-hmm . 1933.84 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1935.824 1961.76 1935.84 1961.49 I have one N_X_T_ question which hopefully won't be well , it's not one . Just hopefully as part of the output it will be something like that . Is that correct ? So you've got the gaze position of the first person , gaze position of the second , mouse position of the first , mouse position of the second and , I don't know , a common mouse action there or something . Does that t just in in sort of layers like that . 1939.23 1939.66 1946.18 1947.3 1949.89 1951.26 1952.46 1954.81 1955.21 1957.65 1961.49 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1938.009 1938.424 1938.03 1938.39 Okay . 1938.39 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1957.325 1957.745 1957.35 1957.68 Yeah . 1957.68 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1960.48 1961.296 1960.5 1961.21 Seems reasonable . 1961.21 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1962.804 1973.573 1962.94 1973.49 So um it'll be like in uh monitor . But yeah , they'll all be different tiers like that . And then there's the language stuff as well presumably . 1967.54 1968.66 1970.98 1973.49 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1968.489 1968.827 1968.56 1968.72 Yeah . 1968.72 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1970.099 1970.445 1970.19 1970.34 Yep . 1970.34 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1972.643 1976.545 1972.72 1976.42 Yes , uh-huh . M that's that's just the the eye movement uh other sort of stuff , yeah . 1973.14 1973.33 1976.22 1976.42 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1974.981 1980.048 1975.04 1979.96 Yeah , this is the easy stuff . Yeah . Well , eyes and mouse . Eyes and mice . 1975.2 1976.89 1977.78 1978.13 1979.13 1979.96 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1981.68 1982.112 1981.7 1981.99 Uh-huh . 1981.99 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1983.936 1993.153 1983.96 1993.07 And that's enough for you , right ? I mean that's just the way you want it . Course there are lot lots of things that can do that . But it's the language part that's the hard part . Yeah . 1984.63 1985.18 1988.04 1989.72 1992.72 1993.07 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1985.156 1989.279 1985.61 1989.279 It ho hopefu uh hopefully that's yeah , I guess it's that's why I dre 1987.54 EN2009c C MEE094 2 1991.414 2000.624 1991.43 2000.59 As well . Yeah , mm-hmm . Yeah . So I was just yeah , I was just checking that uh I know the language part because they say L_P_ here but uh this would be the the the new part . New stuff . 1992.04 1992.38 1992.99 1993.23 1993.93 2000.0 2000.59 EN2009c B FEE083 1 1998.064 1999.011 1998.1 1999.011 Yeah , that's 1998.62 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2001.408 2011.237 2001.43 2011.237 That seems fine , yeah . Do you know what the um the sets of codes are ? Well the whatev whatever whatever you're getting out of the JAST analyser . So 2002.38 2003.01 2006.07 2010.75 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2001.586 2001.867 2001.65 2001.78 Yeah . 2001.78 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2011.728 2013.425 2011.8 2013.14 Uh yeah , whatever that is . 2012.31 2013.14 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2013.934 2016.848 2014.01 2016.8 I mean blinks as well , right ? 2016.55 2016.8 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2017.238 2031.841 2017.31 2031.75 Um yes , I'm not sure whether we need to know exactly where they are , just how many there are in each tra um uh p I don't know . I suppose it could go in . Uh I mean I suppose it we're as well to have it if we can . 2018.09 2020.18 2026.97 2028.4 2031.75 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2022.208 2024.341 2022.25 2024.18 Oh so you don't want a pa uh part of this data ? 2024.18 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2026.928 2028.273 2027.0 2028.273 Aye . But 2027.99 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2029.68 2062.136 2029.7 2062.0 I think you I think you should well , there's two views on this . Um if you do then the people formulating research questions will ask about them . But if you don't they'll probably ask about them anyway and then you'll have to add 'em after the fact . Uh so it's probably easier just to s shove 'em in . You can stick 'em in a different um track and uh and then load 'em or not load 'em as you please . 'Cause it's not well , I don't know . With is it is it part of so th these are mutually exclusive and exhaustive sets of codes against time , right ? Isn't blink a part of this ? 2032.44 2034.01 2038.9 2042.58 2044.92 2051.86 2052.9 2053.46 2059.88 2060.58 2062.0 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2038.112 2039.147 2038.28 2039.06 Right . 2039.06 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2042.379 2047.648 2042.67 2047.6 Well uh just say stick 'em in anyway . Yeah . Mm-hmm . 2045.11 2046.89 2047.6 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2060.023 2069.795 2060.15 2069.62 Mm-hmm . Um blink would uh uh at the moment just get lumped in with the sort of previous gaze . 2062.64 2069.62 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2070.887 2092.768 2070.96 2092.64 Yeah . But but isn't that important ? Because when they're blinking , basically it's like an a nil code . You c can't find out what they're doing otherwise . So it may actually be important to have the blinks registered in there because you may discover you need to take them into account to smooth some kind of analysis that you're doing . So it could be that if they only they hadn't had a blink just then , they would've been I don't know what . 2071.43 2072.54 2074.29 2076.44 2079.12 2087.66 2090.71 2092.64 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2071.416 2072.126 2071.58 2071.99 Mm-hmm . 2071.99 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2077.887 2079.765 2077.97 2079.24 The way they're looking , mm-hmm . 2078.77 2079.24 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2084.553 2085.516 2084.73 2085.48 Mm-hmm . 2085.48 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2094.336 2100.919 2094.53 2100.75 M uh yes , mm-hmm . Moving somewhere else , or is more likely to be uh 2096.04 2097.11 2098.11 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2102.656 2103.6 2102.68 2103.6 I'm thinking more - EN2009c C MEE094 2 2102.65 2110.352 2102.73 2110.352 blinking at the same time as the other person was doing something , I think to mm-hmm . Yeah . 2105.12 2108.13 2109.91 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2106.335 2128.416 2106.38 2128.25 That you wanna know about . Oh , I hope n not to much relies on missing stuff 'cause people blink . I was thinking more like um , you know , the person looks a p a part and they've got a uh fixation before and after and there's blink in the middle . And , you know , there may be times when you wanna treat that as one thing , right . 2110.13 2110.4 2114.77 2116.55 2116.75 2123.46 2123.89 2124.22 2127.84 2128.25 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2126.723 2136.127 2126.86 2135.93 Yes . Norman normally uh would be just , as I say , like add the blink time and duration to the previous fixation . 2127.78 2131.37 2132.03 2135.93 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2136.656 2140.296 2136.93 2140.296 Oh right . Okay . So but in that case 2137.36 2138.35 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2140.06 2146.427 2140.16 2146.35 'Cause you're not absorbing any new information and that's what the critical sort of deciding factor is . 2146.35 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2146.352 2158.643 2146.46 2158.52 Right , uh-huh . In that case then um these tiers are already like blink corrected . And then you wouldn't have blinks as part of this . You'd want blinks as a separate tier if you're gonna have it in . 2146.85 2147.59 2154.21 2156.6 2158.52 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2153.92 2155.73 2153.97 2155.73 Yes , so that they'll include the 2154.29 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2157.472 2162.224 2157.55 2162.19 So i i yeah , would ha it would be as a separate tier where just to mark 2158.33 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2163.6 2189.092 2163.62 2189.092 Yeah . Yeah , so the key thing is he here is mutually exclusive and exhaustive . And um the second key thing is um it better be really clear to the people who are dealing with these codes um uh w yeah , whether any monkey business has been done around the blinks to correct for that . Um 'cause , you know , it wouldn't necessarily be obvious looking at that set of codes that 2164.86 2165.12 2168.98 2178.39 2183.29 2184.93 2185.18 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2163.776 2165.432 2163.8 2165.33 the actual position . 2165.33 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2168.598 2169.214 2168.72 2169.05 Mm-hmm . 2169.05 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2176.742 2179.489 2176.92 2179.45 What's included and what's n yeah . Mm-hmm . 2178.54 2179.45 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2188.528 2191.856 2188.92 2191.8 Hmm . No , not certainly l not looking at codes , no . 2189.45 2189.7 2191.16 2191.8 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2192.0 2196.736 2192.04 2196.736 Uh yeah , I suppose if you know about eye trackers then you'll just know . But 2192.43 2194.83 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2194.781 2199.53 2194.781 2199.09 Mm-hmm . Know what to look for and what not to , yeah . 2197.3 2198.82 2199.09 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2195.555 2195.742 2195.62 2195.69 Huh . 2195.69 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2197.024 2197.439 2197.05 2197.35 Okay . 2197.35 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2199.52 2203.168 2199.56 2203.168 So so that mean you need the blink corrections part of the analysis then . Um 2202.56 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2203.148 2207.305 2203.21 2207.24 It I think you're just saying it comes out of the eye tracker already , right ? They're already blink-corrected . 2205.38 2206.08 2207.24 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2205.968 2226.037 2206.08 2226.037 Uh i there are well they're already identified as blinks . Then it's uh i it is at th hmm at what stage . The software that I've used uh p pools uh the blinks , so will add it on . I'm not sure what the default 2210.02 2216.1 2221.58 2222.87 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2224.336 2229.228 2224.36 2229.03 Right . So tha tha that's uh that's for the rest of the stuff that comes the eye tracker , isn't the analyzer software that comes the eye tracker . 2224.83 2227.19 2229.03 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2227.565 2241.936 2227.63 2241.936 Yes . Yeah , so I'm not su i certainly it's listed as a separate event in the stream . Blinks are a tag uh from the E_D_F_ and and that sort of thing . It's registered as a a detection . But 2229.17 2229.43 2233.24 2238.94 2241.71 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2233.322 2233.885 2233.49 2233.83 Right . 2233.83 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2240.384 2255.386 2240.4 2255.3 Right , okay . Well i i if if you want if you want the blinks mer merged into a fixation , it might worth making making a cr part of the requirement for the G_D_F_ stuff . So to remind me so to to just add that analysis to , yeah , to to it . So it's I mean it's easy enough to do , just che just checking the times th times of the events . 2240.61 2240.85 2243.66 2247.76 2250.35 2250.54 2251.5 2252.44 2255.3 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2247.219 2248.576 2247.36 2248.43 Mm . Mm-hmm . 2247.83 2248.43 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2251.972 2252.54 2252.07 2252.48 Yeah . 2252.48 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2252.668 2272.525 2252.69 2272.43 Uh i y yeah . Uh I mean it it it won't because of the fixation it will be down to what we define as uh a gaze . So basically the time from when somebody starts looking at an object until they leave it . And so if they blinked a lot within that they're still looking at that object . So it's just the time in to the time out . 2254.0 2259.4 2266.01 2269.89 2272.43 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2272.784 2273.993 2272.89 2273.89 Right . Okay , okay . 2273.18 2273.6 2273.89 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2272.916 2295.29 2273.05 2295.24 Yeah . But what we need to know is like at what stage in the eye tracking stuff where it does that and whether that gets through so that um Craig gets it automatically in what he's translating or to G_D_F_ . Whether he needs to redo the same analysis because something about the data path cuts off that analysis for the eye tracker . Or whether we even like it , right , and wanna do it some different way . 2273.69 2284.7 2291.38 2292.81 2293.49 2295.24 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2278.145 2278.753 2278.19 2278.56 Mm-hmm . 2278.56 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2282.124 2282.573 2282.24 2282.46 Yep . 2282.46 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2289.952 2290.68 2290.07 2290.54 Mm-hmm . 2290.54 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2293.69 2295.632 2293.79 2295.42 Hmm . Some other way . 2294.79 2295.42 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2295.696 2304.309 2295.79 2304.2 Yeah . Yeah 'cause I think the ASCII format as it stands does contain blink information um 'cause uh d d I'm sure I'm sure that's appeared in the in the documentation I've read through . 2296.41 2304.2 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2300.111 2300.727 2300.17 2300.67 Yes . 2300.67 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2302.576 2306.481 2302.73 2306.28 Mm-hmm . Yep , there's a blink sort of event . 2304.11 2304.32 2306.28 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2304.853 2322.911 2304.89 2322.911 Yeah . But it could be these things are corrected for blinks in this way plus there's blink information . So , you know , it it treats it as a fixation around blinks and it also just happens to tell you where the blinks are . 'Cause as they were saying , they like to use blink rate as measures of cognitive difficulty or something . So 2305.74 2311.86 2312.91 2313.12 2317.46 2318.15 2322.43 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2312.56 2313.811 2312.58 2313.69 Possibly . Possibly , yeah . 2313.04 2313.4 2313.69 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2321.644 2322.318 2321.79 2322.27 Mm-hmm . 2322.27 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2322.966 2343.808 2323.07 2343.68 Right . Okay , okay . Um yeah , so might might worth us us having a look at that and just just seeing what dat is what data is already in the ASCII format and whether you want me to do any correction as part of the analysis . Um 'cause I've gotta do the analysis for the fixations on parts and things anyway . So yeah , I d I I I didn't think check for blinks during that . Isn't gonna be a shouldn't be a big problem . 2323.33 2323.72 2324.45 2325.86 2334.15 2338.14 2339.29 2341.46 2343.68 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2331.125 2331.543 2331.21 2331.42 Yep . 2331.42 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2343.589 2349.186 2343.74 2349.05 It should just be a matter of treating a b adding on the blink to the last fixation or something anyway . 2349.05 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2348.783 2353.763 2348.83 2353.763 Yeah . Yep . Um so we'll be 2349.24 2350.26 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2353.301 2357.639 2353.43 2357.6 If they're not still fixating on it when they come back out of the blink , then 2357.22 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2359.129 2361.541 2359.16 2361.47 why is that is that the right thing to do analytically ? 2361.47 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2361.936 2372.221 2362.09 2372.09 Uh well uh the the real reason is um as long as they've been blinking , even if they then open their eyes somewhere else , that's when they start absorbing the new information . 2367.45 2369.69 2372.09 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2371.44 2372.72 2371.46 2372.64 Oh right . Yeah , you said that . 2371.88 2372.08 2372.64 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2375.239 2384.141 2375.38 2384.141 It's basically like a just a long saccade . Mm it you kind of have visual suppression when you move and it's the same when you're blinking . You're not taking anything in . So 2377.4 2382.66 2383.73 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2384.12 2390.731 2384.15 2390.69 Well , but does um the duration of fixations count for anything ? 'Cause it if you're just adding the length of the blink to the fixation , you're not treating it as a saccade . 2384.47 2386.99 2389.34 2390.69 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2390.784 2421.641 2390.9 2421.49 Uh it it's yeah , that yes , um that's for the sort of gaze time measure . Uh it's not actually the fixations are still um independent . So the they w fixation duration isn't doesn't include the blink in the ASCII a output . It's only when we start looking at sort of the total gaze that um the total amount of time spent looking at one particular object , which includes all these sort of multiple fixations and any blinks and that sort of thing . Is it it's a a sort of composite uh viewing time . 2392.3 2393.04 2395.88 2400.04 2406.2 2412.57 2418.34 2421.49 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2401.408 2402.105 2401.53 2402.0 Okay . 2402.0 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2406.106 2406.584 2406.21 2406.52 Wait . 2406.52 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2417.007 2420.885 2417.07 2420.77 Okay . I kinda get this . Yeah , yeah . Mm-hmm . 2418.8 2419.89 2420.14 2420.52 2420.77 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2422.205 2423.071 2422.26 2422.96 Right , mm-hmm . 2422.81 2422.96 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2424.838 2431.603 2424.9 2431.43 So more complicated than I thought . I'd forgotten about the multiple fixations on an object . Yeah . Okay . 2426.89 2429.44 2431.16 2431.43 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2426.62 2430.244 2426.75 2429.8 Uh yeah , I'm afraid uh mm-hmm . 2427.02 2429.8 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2431.751 2438.222 2431.84 2438.222 And so are you looking for a final thing that just sort says between this time and this time you're looking at this object . Between this time this time you're not looking anything . And 2436.02 2437.93 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2437.203 2438.291 2437.23 2438.17 Yep , yep . 2437.91 2438.17 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2438.291 2453.52 2438.4 2453.52 Although we'll also still need a count of the fixations just so we can have you you've got measure fixation duration again just to s see if those they spend longer just f amount of more stable move uh eye fixation or not . Uh 2452.93 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2452.848 2467.809 2452.88 2467.809 Yeah , yeah . 'Cause I think I think at the moment the G_D_F_ format has fixations in it . Um so so I gue I guess that'd be part of the G_D_F_ to transformation would be turning fixations into gazes and whatever else . Okay , okay . Well tha tha don't don't uh worry about that just the moment . But 2453.19 2453.36 2456.69 2464.65 2465.11 2465.5 2467.62 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2456.432 2456.93 2456.54 2456.83 Mm-hmm . 2456.83 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2459.942 2466.5 2460.1 2466.23 Yep . To ye yeah , mm-hmm . Viewing times . 2461.15 2463.87 2465.2 2466.23 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2466.162 2519.055 2466.26 2518.99 Well , it's not okay , I mean this is kinda what we were talking about before , this confusion about what's in the G_D_F_ . I mean you might see it as the initial G_D_F_ is just whatever straight-forwardly translates without , you know , without transforms , with just the data format changing from the ASCII . And then there's a bunch of other things that get added that you might still want to be in um augmented G_D_F_ format , you know , like this blink and the gaze and whatever else . And then you translate to N_X_T_ . So you might still wanna have everything in this one G_D_F_ file format that represents everything . And then the N_X_T_ thing is just a splitter . It's not doing any fancy analysis . So I see this as , you know , a bunch of little routines that take the the G_D_F_ without this information in it and add new information into th sub-script versions of the G_D_F_ file that contains these post-process analyses . 2466.54 2468.29 2470.51 2472.65 2479.0 2479.84 2480.76 2483.93 2491.87 2492.07 2494.79 2497.18 2501.72 2503.68 2505.81 2506.57 2506.8 2518.99 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2490.084 2490.767 2490.11 2490.73 Mm-hmm . 2490.73 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2505.414 2506.27 2505.5 2506.1 Right , yeah . 2505.93 2506.1 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2518.547 2531.094 2518.66 2531.094 Mm-hmm . Well that's partly why I brought this up now is it I'm not sure what point down the data path things sort of happen . But that's what I want out in the end . 2519.3 2526.32 2530.7 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2528.94 2529.488 2529.04 2529.43 Right . 2529.43 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2529.595 2530.36 2529.61 2530.3 Yeah . 2530.3 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2531.264 2540.72 2531.34 2540.57 Right . So so so w will you actually be doing much of the G_D_F_ ? Or is are you expecting do most the analysis on out of the N_X_T_ stuff then ? So whe when you uh when you actually generate your results . Mm-hmm . 2531.56 2533.77 2537.9 2540.45 2540.57 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2540.897 2563.44 2540.897 2563.44 Um well the N_X_T_ stuff will have the more complete picture 'cause it will include combine all the linguistic stuff with all the movements and the actions . Um but there'll be I suppose just some purely eye movement stuff we could do . I s presumably with G_D_F_ . Uh 2554.17 2561.59 2563.01 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2550.342 2550.96 2550.39 2550.87 Yeah . 2550.87 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2553.568 2554.048 2553.59 2553.91 Right . 2553.91 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2563.358 2575.509 2563.47 2575.45 Yeah . Uh yeah . C well yeah , you told that earlier 'cause you could do a quick ana you could do a quick analysis on the G_D_F_ stuff without having to before you hit before you do the dialogue analysis type stuff . So you can get some some results anyway , can't you . Okay . Yeah . 2563.87 2564.07 2564.47 2571.49 2573.07 2574.48 2574.93 2575.45 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2568.512 2569.264 2568.53 2569.23 Mm-hmm . 2569.23 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2573.103 2573.677 2573.22 2573.61 Mm-hmm . 2573.61 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2573.568 2615.491 2573.59 2614.87 Yeah . I mean it to some extent it doesn't matter which data format it's in , N_X_T_ or G_D_F_ . But it makes more sense for the converter between G_D_F_ and N_X_T_ not to add any data . All it does is do this this stupid data format conversion . And it it's just , you know , separating it out in the little steps . So , you know , there have to be these other scripts that add any um data transforms um not data format transform forms , but data transforms . Like this idea of um of putting together gazes from fixations . So y you know , i if we keep it simpler like that so that it's in little pieces , then it'll be just easier to understand w what the wh the whole thing does . 2573.99 2577.32 2578.31 2583.76 2588.06 2588.9 2589.13 2591.12 2591.43 2591.66 2599.04 2599.97 2605.89 2606.85 2610.32 2614.87 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2584.064 2585.085 2584.1 2584.99 Mm-hmm . 2584.99 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2611.991 2612.597 2612.12 2612.47 Hmm . 2612.47 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2615.296 2616.484 2615.41 2616.4 Right . Okay , okay . 2615.64 2616.05 2616.4 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2615.576 2616.4 2616.05 2616.31 Hmm . C 2616.19 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2615.491 2632.367 2616.19 2632.367 'Cause you you c you know , i if suddenly you discover there's a problem with the G_D_F_ to N_X_T_ transform , you wanna know whether it's one of these little post-processes going wrong or whether it's just the thing that dumps it into the multiple files for the and G_D_F_ to N_X_T_ transform is c is pretty simple . So um , you know 2617.06 2620.3 2629.93 2631.96 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2627.309 2627.716 2627.41 2627.53 An - EN2009c A MEE095 0 2631.072 2631.44 2631.09 2631.37 Right . 2631.37 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2631.837 2679.049 2631.92 2678.85 And uh yeah , that's also why I sent you the mm Saarbruecken software f that uh the stuff that takes the ASCII sort of format originally and then just uh sort of compresses it and things . Yeah , the German stuff . Uh because that little utility um does things like t well but you can tell it to what to do with blinks , whether just to lump them in or or not . Uh what the minimum fixation duration for a stable fixation would be , sort of you have if it picks up t fixations less than say fifty milliseconds , you can tell it just to again lump them all together , that's not a sort of reliable enough fixation . Uh you can put in these sort of of things . So that's uh that's a bit of software that's sent and that includes the source code and things as well . 2632.64 2644.24 2644.35 2645.49 2653.45 2655.6 2660.02 2665.19 2667.54 2671.46 2673.53 2678.85 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2642.544 2644.766 2642.7 2644.67 Oh yeah yeah . The Germans don't yeah , yeah , yeah . 2643.24 2644.21 2644.46 2644.67 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2654.085 2654.776 2654.21 2654.68 Oh yeah . 2654.68 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2671.296 2671.968 2671.32 2671.93 Fair enough , fair en 2671.69 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2678.454 2684.108 2678.52 2684.0 Yeah , so so they they we're allowed to do whatever without without source code . There's no c sort of restrictions on that . Fair enough , fair enough . 2678.76 2680.99 2683.1 2683.64 2684.0 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2683.088 2683.973 2683.13 2683.93 Mm-hmm . 2683.93 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2683.671 2693.376 2683.72 2693.376 So that's like all the analysis that you need to do to things . Are you just gonna copy what they do ? Or Is it documented like why they did it they way they did it ? Or is it just 2687.82 2688.99 2692.49 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2693.947 2705.231 2694.06 2705.18 Uh no , there's very little documentation as you might imagine for these sort of things . Yeah , so I g I uh yeah . That's that's why . So Mm-hmm . 2694.81 2701.48 2701.73 2702.82 2703.54 2705.18 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2700.035 2705.696 2700.38 2705.59 Well it's good starting point , right . So it'd be interesting to see if you agree with the decisions that they made about how to do things . 2701.37 2701.85 2705.59 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2708.288 2709.81 2708.32 2709.53 Mm-hmm . Hmm . 2709.4 2709.53 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2707.808 2723.424 2708.33 2723.424 Yeah , I suppose I can easy look through and start writing up some documentation on it . That'll gi that'll give us a starting point for us to sort to talk about it to look for what analysis we n actually need to do on it and things . Um yeah , easy . C yeah , create all the uh switches and whatever else you need to do . So um 2708.42 2711.51 2717.12 2718.17 2718.6 2718.97 2721.31 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2712.565 2713.254 2712.66 2713.2 Mm-hmm . 2713.2 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2722.401 2722.747 2722.45 2722.71 Mm . 2722.71 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2723.568 2724.496 2723.59 2724.4 Fine . Good . 2724.16 2724.4 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2726.066 2735.761 2726.12 2735.761 Okay . Okay . Yeah . So we'll on once yeah . Well once I've had once I've had a bit of bit more look at this G_D_F_ stuff , then start looking through that . Start looking through that and make sure that works . 'Cause 2726.6 2726.96 2727.16 2728.52 2731.21 2732.78 2735.38 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2732.814 2754.225 2732.83 2754.15 Mm-hmm . 'Cause uh al also just filters it . There are a lot of um strange event tags that the eye link produces that are fairly meaningless , I think . And it can stri it strips out a lot of the junk uh as well . So it cleans it up . Mm-hmm . Uh-huh . 2734.92 2736.57 2744.78 2746.57 2750.28 2751.87 2753.53 2754.15 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2746.752 2747.344 2746.78 2747.09 Yeah . 2747.09 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2749.248 2755.363 2749.48 2755.363 Yeah , yeah . I've l yeah I've no no noticed that the the the gest analyser knows quite a few things as well . So um but as 2749.8 2750.08 2753.8 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2749.432 2750.057 2749.52 2749.87 Ah . 2749.87 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2754.634 2761.187 2754.67 2761.09 Well b but we don't wanna build it into our data path . We just wanna learn from it , I think , right ? Correct ? Or no ? 2757.3 2758.38 2758.78 2759.71 2760.7 2761.09 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2758.55 2759.075 2758.79 2758.97 Right . 2758.97 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2760.465 2764.368 2760.57 2764.368 Uh b fine . Well um possibly . 2761.28 2764.0 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2763.166 2772.729 2763.25 2772.729 Yeah . Well uh I use it that useful for generating this G_D_F_ stuff , I can easily incorporate whatever functions it takes from into gest analyser when I'm do doing the G_D_F_ stuff . So 2763.41 2766.2 2772.13 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2771.375 2804.231 2771.46 2804.07 Yeah . I'm just thinking , you know , like i so this takes the ASCII to to a d simplified ASCII . And simplified in with transforms in it ASCII and it's just it seems to be harder to maintain something that's got that in it if it'd be better to break things up into like steps . That you know , as part of the the and als Well why do I think this ? I don't know , because it's somebody else's programme and then they're gonna give us the next version and that's gonna break our entire pipeline . You know . That's the main reason . 2772.32 2772.9 2773.24 2777.67 2791.24 2791.94 2796.58 2796.98 2802.16 2803.35 2804.07 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2777.146 2778.367 2777.27 2778.22 Yep . Mm-hmm . 2777.84 2778.22 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2781.479 2782.085 2781.53 2781.74 Yeah . 2781.74 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2793.194 2793.904 2793.4 2793.79 The pr - EN2009c C MEE094 2 2800.457 2803.432 2800.55 2803.25 Uh yeah . Uh-huh . Yeah , I see what you mean , uh-huh . 2801.2 2801.56 2801.71 2802.59 2803.25 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2804.855 2818.159 2804.92 2817.92 Yeah , yeah . I mean but what , yeah , say what what I'll what I'll plan to do with it then is take the is take to the software , find out what functions are useful for us in that , and then use those functions to generate the stuff that goes into the X_M_L_ file , the the G_F_ format . 2805.25 2805.38 2806.33 2806.63 2810.76 2813.13 2816.79 2817.92 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2815.867 2824.976 2815.93 2824.976 Yeah . Uh yeah , I can imagine I can imagine that also requiring some discussion about whether what they do is what we actually wanna do . That should be interesting . Uh 2816.94 2817.32 2822.94 2824.73 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2816.419 2817.223 2816.51 2817.11 Mm-hmm . 2817.11 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2822.165 2822.843 2822.23 2822.843 Six or - EN2009c A MEE095 0 2824.039 2832.944 2824.1 2832.944 Yeah , yeah . So so the fir fir first part that'll be documenting what they've got and then discussing it with Robin . So uh yeah . So so I suppose pose that that way the 2824.44 2824.74 2829.19 2831.42 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2828.357 2836.005 2828.38 2835.82 Mm-hmm . It's it's not quite s it so it's not gonna be quite grabbable 'cause it is it's written in Java . 2831.48 2835.82 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2829.012 2829.539 2829.1 2829.47 Uh-huh . 2829.47 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2831.072 2831.971 2831.09 2831.79 Well , sounds good . 2831.24 2831.79 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2836.508 2844.575 2836.59 2844.575 Right . But yeah , well I tr mo mostly , yeah . I'm sure I sure most the logic's gonna be gonna be the same . So um 2837.42 2838.23 2839.45 2840.31 2842.78 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2841.92 2844.444 2841.94 2844.4 Yeah , well yes , uh-huh , the actual uh 2842.15 2842.7 2842.92 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2842.762 2843.216 2842.78 2843.18 Yeah . 2843.18 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2845.146 2857.553 2845.22 2857.553 And if in doubt um don't filter stuff out , keep it in , right . 'Cause we always dump it to this other N_X_T_ track that we don't need to load necessarily . So um the idea is you just keep stuff unless 2847.58 2848.26 2848.57 2853.56 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2853.004 2853.725 2853.12 2853.59 Mm-hmm . 2853.59 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2854.72 2855.729 2854.76 2855.69 Right . Yeah , fair enough . 2855.11 2855.29 2855.69 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2858.224 2868.378 2858.36 2868.33 Yeah . It's always better than making too much compression to start with and then being out of unable to go back or yeah . Lossiness . 2859.35 2867.69 2868.33 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2865.248 2869.616 2865.32 2869.616 Yeah , fair enough . Well so so it's so long as it's X_M_L_ , N_X_T_ will handle it , won't it . 'Cause 2865.59 2865.95 2867.78 2868.98 2869.46 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2865.612 2866.074 2865.65 2865.99 Mm-hmm . 2865.99 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2869.936 2894.002 2869.96 2894.002 Oh yeah , and it's easy enough to dump stuff into an into separate track . W we gotta teach you about this at some point though . So um but still not quite sure when . It sounds like maybe in another week . So Jonathan made me promise not to um tell you about it when you first arrived 'cause you were gonna get overload about learning eye trackers and No . It's just too many things at once and it wasn't important that it be then . 2870.41 2873.67 2875.67 2877.77 2880.92 2890.18 2893.84 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2873.168 2873.648 2873.19 2873.59 Yep . 2873.59 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2875.765 2877.289 2875.765 2877.23 Fair enough . 2877.23 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2880.88 2881.786 2880.9 2881.71 Okay , okay . 2881.35 2881.71 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2885.73 2892.004 2885.73 2891.92 Or or you leave very quickly . Uh-huh . 2891.46 2891.92 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2894.141 2906.529 2894.2 2906.529 Yeah . Well I'm well I'm well g I've got the hang of all the stuff I've been going through . And it looks like l looks like I'm coming to end of the stuff the stuff list there already . So I'm gonna have start looking at that as the next stage . So 2894.59 2897.67 2901.59 2904.74 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2898.016 2898.964 2898.04 2898.964 Yeah . So 2898.49 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2902.407 2910.331 2902.48 2910.23 Yeah . He's a cool customer . He's ready for it . Okay . I think we're done , right . 2903.52 2904.55 2908.2 2909.36 2910.0 2910.23 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2910.45 2913.665 2910.45 2913.665 Yep . Well I'm I am . 2911.35 2913.49 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2911.225 2911.58 2911.32 2911.48 Yep . 2911.48 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2917.929 2925.27 2918.0 2925.27 Oh dear . Uh my page is blank still . 2919.49 2924.99 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2923.296 2934.724 2923.36 2934.724 Sorry ? Oh yeah , I don't know . I do not really need to this just says look at the Wiki . Find out what's next . You could give give Craig more work to do . This one's mine . It 2924.65 2925.56 2926.08 2929.94 2931.11 2933.8 2934.46 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2926.326 2926.723 2926.326 2926.723 . 2926.723 EN2009c A MEE095 0 2933.216 2946.349 2933.216 2946.18 Well , I ma I ma I may be maybe I want to check out these batteries and things , won't I ? So tomorrow . Well , that'll be something to do . well well will the will the will will do if the trains are tha as bad as today . So 2935.75 2938.23 2938.58 2939.45 2939.65 2942.25 2945.87 EN2009c C MEE094 2 2934.793 2935.463 2934.82 2935.28 I guess not . 2935.28 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2939.198 2940.622 2939.27 2940.54 Oh yeah , well that'll take forever . 2939.72 2940.54 EN2009c B FEE083 1 2942.237 2944.012 2942.35 2943.96 That's that's really fun . Check your batteries . 2943.27 2943.96 EN2009d B FEE096 1 0.0 3.872 0.02 3.84 Which data . You know , I I want everything and then I'll decide what I want . 0.95 1.68 3.84 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1.536 1.921 1.56 1.82 Yeah . 1.82 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3.751 8.591 3.85 8.54 So this was that face to face meeting . Um but it uh it doesn't 6.01 EN2009d B FEE096 1 5.312 5.696 5.33 5.64 Okay . 5.64 EN2009d A FEE083 0 10.252 45.798 10.34 45.798 There isn't th so there are things in the eye tracker record that we definitely don't want in the G_D_F_ format , um like the frame rate eye movement . You know , we we uh uh i we're if we're expecting the G_D_F_ format to be um sort of a parsed version of events . And you know there's just too much raw frame f frame rate stuff coming out of this . You wouldn't prob you wouldn't want it in this kind of format for up-translation to the other things . Yeah , we yeah , you can get back to it . Yeah . We're not throwing anything away . This is just the stuff 16.29 20.79 20.96 30.9 35.91 40.36 40.52 40.95 42.52 43.83 44.74 EN2009d B FEE096 1 38.48 47.352 38.5 47.352 We can get back to it . We can get we can always get back to it . We're not th actually throwing anything away . And if we decide to re-jig this at some finer 40.27 41.71 44.55 EN2009d A FEE083 0 48.107 48.522 48.13 48.46 Yeah . 48.46 EN2009d B FEE096 1 49.056 54.833 49.08 54.833 Mecha method . We'll still have the original and a method of uh of filtering . So 50.34 54.38 EN2009d A FEE083 0 52.843 67.774 52.88 67.774 Yeah . But the th but the way to think of this is this is the data that we want to be able to analyse against the other tracks of data . So the data that we wanna compare with a language or with whatever . And um so 53.61 61.12 65.93 EN2009d B FEE096 1 58.365 58.964 58.43 58.77 Mm-hmm . 58.77 EN2009d B FEE096 1 60.816 61.302 60.85 61.17 Mm-hmm . 61.17 EN2009d B FEE096 1 63.28 96.24 63.5 96.02 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Okay . As long as the format in which we pick it up is a format which could be generalised to a finer take . Because the worst thing that can ever happen to you is you discover that you've done huge amounts of analysis and th you actually had the data but you threw it away because you treated it so grossly . Okay . So whatever we should be able to b you know , backtrack and say okay instead of every second , every tenth of a second or some such thing . But you know th 64.7 66.07 68.02 73.31 82.6 83.04 86.21 90.45 95.05 EN2009d A FEE083 0 82.323 85.534 82.4 85.534 Yeah . S so in essence what you would then do is 83.11 EN2009d A FEE083 0 95.472 103.712 95.67 103.712 Well we're not doing frame rate at any frame for well , maybe we are . I don't know . I I had thought we were yeah , the eye tracker does . But 99.32 100.03 100.51 102.48 103.32 EN2009d B FEE096 1 100.297 102.336 100.39 101.75 Well , the eye tracker does . 100.79 101.75 EN2009d D MEE095 3 100.623 101.039 100.78 100.91 Yeah . 100.91 EN2009d C MEE094 2 102.016 103.879 102.21 103.79 Uh five hundred Hertz though . 103.79 EN2009d B FEE096 1 104.016 104.569 104.2 104.37 Mm-hmm . 104.37 EN2009d D MEE095 3 104.495 104.968 104.54 104.84 Yeah . 104.84 EN2009d A FEE083 0 105.088 149.747 105.11 149.66 But right . W what w um the kinds of events that we had r uh before talked about putting into the record for then use in ELAN and N_X_T_ isn't based on saying every X_ seconds something . You know , give me give me what's happening every X_ seconds . It's more like , you know , give me the fixations and the um the blinks . Yeah . Oh yeah . Durations are in there . But it's not there's a difference between um saying that something is in a particular state every frame , whatever the frame rate is , you know , ten seconds a minute . You know , that's that's one kind of w way of looking at data , and um a parsed version of the data , which isn't at um any particular length . It relies on this really close frame rate that's underneath . 105.68 120.3 120.55 122.51 123.33 123.56 128.17 128.38 128.61 129.4 135.48 136.49 136.7 138.18 138.37 141.28 144.26 147.21 149.66 EN2009d B FEE096 1 121.244 121.843 121.28 121.843 Well , you need 121.45 EN2009d B FEE096 1 125.554 129.944 125.71 129.944 Well one needs to know the duration of these things , right . So one needs to be able to say 127.74 128.4 EN2009d B FEE096 1 135.392 135.936 135.41 135.73 Mm-hmm . 135.73 EN2009d B FEE096 1 138.928 139.408 139.0 139.33 Mm-hmm . 139.33 EN2009d B FEE096 1 148.765 155.485 148.87 155.23 Well so there's no real time , there's only ev there's only events . What I'm we're trying to figure out is whether we've thrown time away . 150.23 152.88 155.23 EN2009d A FEE083 0 155.744 176.78 155.76 176.78 No , no . The time the time is still in there . But you'll get uh what you want is to figure out what are the um the concepts behind that data that you want represented . So rather than saying the eye was at this particular place , you know , here , and then a tenth of a second later here and then a tenth of a second later here . You say there was a fixation from this time to that time and there was blink from this time to that time . And 155.86 156.08 157.42 163.83 167.68 168.52 168.93 172.18 176.56 EN2009d B FEE096 1 170.258 171.065 170.45 171.065 Here - EN2009d B FEE096 1 176.198 224.4 176.31 224.31 Okay , so one of the formats in which eye tracker data is analysed is percentage of time spent on some target as opposed to some competitor over the first second after some event , okay . So you actually have to be shu have to show at some time slice rate whether the eye was on the same target as the other guy , a similar target , what we'd both been deali you know . So we have to b we have all the parts , the interesting parts of the screen identified and be able to show distribution of gaze over time . Alright . Now we could be really unlucky and somebody would expect us to do that at the real frame rate . But I think that's really unlucky . But but my point is that we mustn't throw away in or lose the capacity of being able to deliver that kind of data . Mm-hmm . Mm . 176.62 187.27 187.84 196.27 197.16 198.56 200.86 207.84 208.8 214.69 215.84 222.91 224.13 224.31 EN2009d A FEE083 0 191.829 192.311 191.85 192.22 Okay . 192.22 EN2009d C MEE094 2 200.135 200.642 200.26 200.49 Mm-hmm . 200.49 EN2009d A FEE083 0 207.376 207.833 207.43 207.79 Mm-hmm . 207.79 EN2009d C MEE094 2 209.067 209.574 209.28 209.53 Yeah . 209.53 EN2009d A FEE083 0 221.527 231.958 221.63 231.958 Right . So there's two issues here . We're not throwing anything away . But the question is what tool would you use to get that information out of the data ? Would you be so the more you can plan 222.0 222.86 224.27 228.55 EN2009d B FEE096 1 230.138 265.079 230.64 264.92 S so typically the eye will move , right . So over any one second , they eye's actually f fixing on a bunch of different things . And you and so when you say the eye was on this from here to here what's gonna happen is that is that if you use the real frame rate , it's gonna jiggle all over the place . It's gonna be on this landmark . Uh it's on this object , that object , this fixed thing , that fixed thing , okay . You're gonna get lots and lots of stuff . And it's percentage distribution that you're going to want . It's not uh I went here . I s you know , it's not like person walking . I went here , I stayed here . It's it's more like a fly hovering . 233.23 234.04 236.46 239.58 246.07 247.76 248.92 249.89 250.61 251.85 253.23 253.87 255.11 257.71 259.9 260.21 261.2 261.66 262.85 264.92 EN2009d A FEE083 0 233.829 234.328 233.9 234.26 Mm-hmm . 234.26 EN2009d A FEE083 0 248.235 248.645 248.29 248.59 Yeah . 248.59 EN2009d A FEE083 0 262.884 263.308 262.93 263.22 Mm-hmm . 263.22 EN2009d A FEE083 0 265.133 269.124 265.15 269.09 So you need to know the percentage of time it was on during that fixation . 269.09 EN2009d B FEE096 1 268.841 274.048 268.92 273.91 Mm-hmm . Because if you if you take them as separate events you get thousands of separate events . 270.24 273.91 EN2009d A FEE083 0 270.125 270.46 270.15 270.39 Yeah ? 270.39 EN2009d C MEE094 2 270.675 288.527 270.81 288.527 Uh m m i uh i yeah but the p sort of start and end times will give you back to that output . A as a and then you just measure it against , you know , the c the c yeah , the cumulative total time record or something . So 280.89 283.64 284.16 285.32 288.24 EN2009d B FEE096 1 276.544 277.008 276.57 276.96 Mm-hmm . 276.96 EN2009d B FEE096 1 283.913 285.152 284.01 285.07 Against bigger frames . 285.07 EN2009d A FEE083 0 287.696 293.98 287.696 293.98 Okay , so the percentage is i i is a cut it's not something you're using for measurement . It's a cut-off for whether or not it counts as a fixation ? Is that 288.02 291.24 293.55 EN2009d B FEE096 1 293.302 303.456 293.4 303.37 Well , that's the that's the problem . There are two ways of doing it . One is that there's always a cut-off , right . But the other is that there will be a time span , a kind of reaction to some event span . 293.78 295.13 296.34 298.17 298.65 300.63 303.37 EN2009d C MEE094 2 297.84 298.456 298.02 298.42 Mm-hmm . 298.42 EN2009d C MEE094 2 302.753 310.285 302.86 310.21 B uh uh m yeah , so I'll I'll lag in some of it during the I suppose there's the the saccadic movement itself , for example . 303.76 309.72 310.21 EN2009d B FEE096 1 306.25 306.782 306.38 306.65 Right . 306.65 EN2009d B FEE096 1 309.792 365.183 309.89 365.11 Right . And so I mean there are there are really two ways of looking at this . One would like to know for example the percentage of time overall in which two people are looking at the same thing , okay . And one would like to know sequences of they didn't look at the same thing and then they broke it . Or they did look at the same thing and then they did or didn't brea you know . One one could imagine those two categories . That's that's a kind of testing of our hypotheses . But there's a certain amount of um dues you pay to the way they do things in the literature to get your papers published . And one of the things they will want to know is an event series after some critical event , right . What percentage of time is given to looking where the other guy is looking . And what percentage of time over some , you know , reasonable time span of a couple of seconds , alright . So they'll be they they'll want to see essentially the gaze settling on particular incidents on particular places . So we have to be able to deliver those two things and they're rather different demands . 310.3 313.51 319.19 319.93 324.69 327.41 329.47 333.82 342.05 346.25 346.61 350.06 351.88 352.14 354.57 354.77 361.7 365.11 EN2009d A FEE083 0 318.906 319.438 318.99 319.3 Mm-hmm . 319.3 EN2009d A FEE083 0 329.491 329.901 329.51 329.76 Mm-hmm . 329.76 EN2009d A FEE083 0 354.646 355.019 354.72 354.93 Mm-hmm . 354.93 EN2009d C MEE094 2 364.234 394.538 364.25 394.5 Th th th yeah , the it should still come out that the little sketch I asked this p for for last week about N_X_T_ and whether it would have that sort of tiered effect so you could see the overlap of where one person is looking compared to the other and their mouse movements and things . That that should ra uh address all that . Mm-hmm . But but because it's also in the i based on the the time course of the procedure you'll be able to basically get the scan path of the pattern of events from that as well . 365.65 379.65 384.41 385.23 394.5 EN2009d A FEE083 0 365.28 365.603 365.3 365.54 Right . 365.54 EN2009d A FEE083 0 379.603 379.985 379.63 379.95 Yeah . 379.95 EN2009d A FEE083 0 381.95 385.609 381.97 385.53 'Cause all you wanna know is whether they were looking at the same object in the period after . 385.53 EN2009d A FEE083 0 391.054 391.453 391.1 391.42 Yeah . 391.42 EN2009d A FEE083 0 393.712 398.918 393.8 398.83 Okay . Can we draw it to make sure that that um that this is satisfying Ellen's concerns ? 394.33 398.83 EN2009d C MEE094 2 397.016 402.518 397.17 402.4 Yeah , yeah . So I did have it somewhere . I didn't have it r uh haven't brought it . trying to remember it . 397.78 398.01 398.92 401.78 402.4 EN2009d B FEE096 1 399.823 400.214 399.92 400.14 Right . 400.14 EN2009d A FEE083 0 400.519 423.101 400.58 423.04 Well , there's a white-board , right . We love this thing . See if the pens work . So um this is um A_'s eyes , right ? And B_'s eyes . And I think what you're saying you should probably draw this right , is that they you know , if um from this time to this time they're looking at triangle one . 401.61 402.35 403.81 406.01 407.84 411.25 412.49 414.12 417.36 418.79 423.04 EN2009d A FEE083 0 425.04 435.085 425.06 435.03 W what you're saying is that you want to know in the critical you wanna know after they're they're looking at triangle one what's happening in this period with this guy , right ? 434.72 435.03 EN2009d B FEE096 1 436.752 488.741 436.77 488.62 Or how l alright . Let's let's imagine a typical construction event , okay . There is some part there are there are separate movable parts on the screen ready for use , right . There may be or not a construction already begun , right . Somebody makes the first move . There's some kind of communication either gestural , imaginary or verbal , that plans how we're gonna do it , right . Before that happens the person who speaks is going to do some kind of visual scanning . While they're speaking or communicating in some way , the other person may or may not be looking where they're looking , okay . They may be overlapping gaze at particular objects which are of interest . Let's call it the c the construct , existing construct , which could be zero . 439.6 445.1 447.07 454.14 454.96 458.9 459.86 461.95 464.69 466.27 468.21 469.45 475.08 477.49 480.54 481.08 484.73 486.62 487.73 488.62 EN2009d A FEE083 0 444.941 445.448 445.06 445.36 Mm-hmm . 445.36 EN2009d A FEE083 0 458.796 459.243 458.87 459.2 Mm-hmm . 459.2 EN2009d A FEE083 0 468.308 468.716 468.38 468.62 Mm-hmm . 468.62 EN2009d A FEE083 0 480.192 480.535 480.23 480.48 Mm-hmm . 480.48 EN2009d A FEE083 0 488.819 489.21 488.88 489.14 Mm-hmm . 489.14 EN2009d B FEE096 1 488.741 515.789 489.08 515.7 Alright . Or the um the addendum , the thing which is next going to be added . Next piece , okay . Now in neither case , when you draw this , he's looking at triangle one , which you're actually drawing , you know , for a the period of time in which he's steadily looking at triangle one is gonna be very very short , right . Because staring fixedly without interruption , blink or or saccade is is an extremely short event . 489.85 493.02 495.11 496.08 496.95 498.34 499.34 500.87 502.49 502.72 508.05 508.44 511.26 515.7 EN2009d A FEE083 0 494.928 495.283 494.99 495.2 Mm-hmm . 495.2 EN2009d C MEE094 2 507.439 508.064 507.64 508.01 Mm-hmm . 508.01 EN2009d C MEE094 2 512.077 512.636 512.2 512.636 The - EN2009d C MEE094 2 513.158 530.773 513.26 530.69 Uh it m it m uh but uh br at that point they're all of it lumped all the individual fixations as long as it doesn't move off that triangle together as a total sort of gaze gaze time on that . Yep . Yeah . That that's a target within the target region . 527.43 527.85 528.46 530.69 EN2009d B FEE096 1 525.168 561.197 525.2 561.15 That's fine . So it's in a region it's in a region . Okay . But even so you're likely to get bouncing in and out of the region , right . So even so you wanna look at if we're interested in how long before the construction move takes place , um how much of the time they spend looking at the same thing . Let's call that our measure of alignment . So they're gonna be yeah , that's right , A_ is gonna be on triangle one and various other places . That's right . And and B_ um okay . And we're gonna look at the percentage of of that time where they're both in the same region . 526.52 529.63 530.32 533.81 534.4 541.93 544.62 546.59 548.26 548.62 551.57 552.02 556.09 561.15 EN2009d A FEE083 0 527.116 527.638 527.14 527.638 Yeah . So 527.35 EN2009d A FEE083 0 528.868 529.24 528.89 529.12 Mm-hmm . 529.12 EN2009d C MEE094 2 534.306 535.051 534.39 534.74 Uh m - EN2009d A FEE083 0 546.596 547.137 546.68 547.06 Alright . 547.06 EN2009d C MEE094 2 550.851 551.358 551.09 551.22 Uh-huh . 551.22 EN2009d C MEE094 2 554.864 556.174 555.02 556.09 M yes , somewhere . 555.56 556.09 EN2009d C MEE094 2 557.626 558.185 557.72 558.12 Mm-hmm . 558.12 EN2009d B FEE096 1 562.876 574.641 562.96 574.49 Right . So what I want to make sure is that we don't um simplify , do you know what I mean ? Temporarily simplify too much , so that yeah . 563.54 570.89 571.37 573.37 574.49 EN2009d A FEE083 0 563.633 564.257 563.73 564.257 So - EN2009d C MEE094 2 573.039 581.226 573.08 580.85 It it sh yeah , it I mean uh as long as we're dif r yeah , it there shouldn't be anything missing . 574.11 579.39 580.85 EN2009d B FEE096 1 577.952 581.04 577.97 580.92 'Cause then you lose percentage as an as a as a D_V_ . 580.92 EN2009d B FEE096 1 583.28 589.824 583.37 589.824 Right . And so B_ has some periods of looking at one and all it will which will also be intermittent . Because 583.61 589.22 EN2009d C MEE094 2 583.562 584.128 583.64 584.09 That should be alright . 584.09 EN2009d C MEE094 2 585.828 586.2 585.828 585.828 . 585.828 EN2009d C MEE094 2 586.685 587.467 586.685 587.38 . Yeah . 586.685 587.38 EN2009d A FEE083 0 589.142 589.575 589.25 589.51 Yeah . 589.51 EN2009d C MEE094 2 589.505 589.87 589.6 589.82 Yep . 589.82 EN2009d A FEE083 0 591.728 609.525 591.75 609.38 So , you know , he might get triangle one there and no maybe this one's gonna overlook lap quite a bit . So what you want to do is be able to define um bigger periods , which is the period when they're sort of interested in triangle one overall , right ? This is sort of some meta level analysis . 592.09 592.37 597.22 602.64 607.03 607.25 609.38 EN2009d C MEE094 2 592.126 593.057 592.22 592.96 M m yeah . 592.96 EN2009d C MEE094 2 594.883 596.416 594.883 596.38 Yeah , yeah , yeah . 595.84 596.22 596.38 EN2009d B FEE096 1 595.296 595.872 595.37 595.81 Right . 595.81 EN2009d C MEE094 2 596.97 597.529 597.17 597.37 Mm-hmm . 597.37 EN2009d C MEE094 2 605.344 605.875 605.36 605.84 Yes . 605.84 EN2009d B FEE096 1 607.003 609.616 607.08 609.46 Mm-hmm . When they should be . Right . 607.7 609.24 609.46 EN2009d C MEE094 2 607.942 616.083 607.96 615.99 So we yeah . So we if we have an an event , yeah , that that yeah , the second line then for the second before it . And then we can just take that chunk out and do something with it . 608.56 610.17 610.36 611.21 613.26 615.99 EN2009d A FEE083 0 616.32 646.906 616.34 646.82 Yeah . But that's that's not a something that you can do in the N_X_T_ query language , but it you can't do that in any you know , this is such special purpose s but it's easy enough given the data format for any of these things to do that . So you could do it on 'cause i it's just a matter of i the hard part is deciding how close together these have to be before you decide that this is a event that you wanna pull out . Because , you know , algorithmically you're you're already putting together I mean this is essentially already , you know , these fixations with stuff in between . 617.08 621.54 623.36 629.02 638.33 638.75 638.98 643.58 643.88 646.82 EN2009d C MEE094 2 617.621 620.08 617.621 620.08 That should I I - EN2009d B FEE096 1 618.384 619.008 618.47 618.84 Okay . 618.84 EN2009d C MEE094 2 629.032 629.464 629.18 629.39 Right . 629.39 EN2009d C MEE094 2 643.426 644.023 643.7 643.82 Yeah . 643.82 EN2009d C MEE094 2 644.927 645.744 645.07 645.54 Mm-hmm . 645.54 EN2009d C MEE094 2 647.815 648.563 648.0 648.45 Yeah . Yeah . 648.28 648.45 EN2009d A FEE083 0 648.594 655.856 648.73 655.63 And uh um , you know , we we've got an algorithm for deciding when that's a look , I guess . You already have that or no ? 650.82 651.07 653.59 654.61 655.63 EN2009d B FEE096 1 648.706 649.248 648.77 649.08 Mm-hmm . 649.08 EN2009d C MEE094 2 655.746 663.529 655.77 663.41 Uh well , if it's just based on uh like a a stable fixation for so long or or something and crossing into that region . Yeah . 656.03 663.23 663.41 EN2009d B FEE096 1 655.733 656.282 655.79 656.282 Well - EN2009d B FEE096 1 657.984 658.371 658.05 658.371 It - EN2009d A FEE083 0 662.288 677.943 662.55 677.88 Oh yeah , yeah . So it's all fixations . They're these are all fixations and saccades , but within the yep . So that's easy enough . So the hard thing is they could be moving their eye arbitrarily here , right ? And you know , maybe even having fixations on other things ? Yeah ? 662.99 663.29 664.39 666.55 668.45 669.76 672.42 673.77 674.53 677.56 677.88 EN2009d C MEE094 2 667.566 668.314 667.566 668.23 yep . 668.23 EN2009d B FEE096 1 668.08 668.881 668.13 668.881 Right . What 668.65 EN2009d B FEE096 1 676.982 693.286 677.0 693.25 Yes . Yes , because for example for part of that time both B_ and A_ are probably looking at the construct , okay . If if your intention is to move the red triangle to sit on top of the thing already constructed , you would tend to look back and forth . Right . 677.82 678.18 684.63 684.85 690.73 693.04 693.25 EN2009d C MEE094 2 677.015 678.37 677.19 678.34 Mm-hmm . Yep . 678.15 678.34 EN2009d A FEE083 0 685.477 686.242 685.53 686.17 Yep . 686.17 EN2009d A FEE083 0 692.046 717.299 692.07 717.1 Back and forward . Yep . So um this isn't yeah . But what you need to do is we we can already build into this G_D_F_ format these regions if you can give a definition of what you think that is . But I think the right way to do this is to be able to inspect the data in um some tool and play around with the definitions . Because you won't get it right the first time . Yeah . 693.01 694.69 697.66 707.24 714.61 716.79 717.1 EN2009d C MEE094 2 692.502 692.928 692.56 692.88 Mm-hmm . 692.88 EN2009d B FEE096 1 695.806 698.56 695.87 698.41 And we should be able to to figure that out . 698.41 EN2009d C MEE094 2 716.05 717.04 716.15 716.9 Mm-hmm , yeah . 716.67 716.9 EN2009d B FEE096 1 715.94 724.456 716.18 724.456 Yeah , sure . So so the question would be under what tool should we be looking at these events . So 716.34 716.65 724.09 EN2009d A FEE083 0 722.448 728.633 722.49 728.633 Mm-hmm . And uh ELAN's a reasonable choice for that , right ? What you need is something well no , because you need to 724.01 725.76 725.95 727.8 EN2009d C MEE094 2 728.48 731.184 728.5 731.184 To mm-hmm . Don't know . 729.36 730.8 EN2009d A FEE083 0 729.248 760.638 729.248 760.638 Y you need to be able to see the effects of this . So I g I guess this is a case of Craig writing some scripts so Robin having some ideas about what the relationship is and saying , you know , add this data a automatically . It I mean it's not that hard , right . It's just there'll be a bunch of these , you'll have some rules about how maybe how long you spend on other objects and w whether the other object is um the existing construction or not , right . And so um 735.69 743.08 743.39 746.44 747.54 747.69 749.6 758.32 759.27 EN2009d D MEE095 3 747.737 748.211 747.85 748.16 Yeah . 748.16 EN2009d B FEE096 1 758.976 772.176 759.05 772.08 Right . So so essentially there's there's um A_E_ is divided into T_R_ one and C_ and other stuff , okay , where C_ is the construct , the existing thing . 759.25 769.79 770.11 771.29 772.08 EN2009d A FEE083 0 772.0 778.793 772.04 778.793 Ah , right . So if they if they uh they had a fixation on C_ you wouldn't be worried . But if they had a fixation on 772.29 772.66 777.6 EN2009d B FEE096 1 777.787 797.994 777.92 797.9 Well no . I mean we'd take a separate we'd look at the percentage time I mean I have no idea because I don't know how people look when they're building things together , okay . So there's a there's the addendum and the and the co the existing construct . And I don't know whether they're gonna spend more time looking at one or the other . But if they're whatever it is that one is looking at , if the other's looking the same place they're in good shape . 778.41 785.43 785.72 790.47 793.66 795.96 797.9 EN2009d A FEE083 0 795.773 802.529 795.89 802.529 Yeah , they're yep . But yeah , they're gonna look at the clock um and they're gonna look at they may look at completely irrelevant 796.2 798.08 798.39 EN2009d B FEE096 1 799.524 818.848 799.62 818.8 Yeah . Sure , sure . And that's what the other stuff that's what the that's what the diagonal stripes are for . That's true . But we c we can one of the things we'll be doing is um categorising people I take it or interactions by the amount of time people spend looking at the clock . We'd expect that if we put people under time pressure they'll look at the clock a lot more . 799.79 800.11 800.61 804.61 805.77 815.63 818.8 EN2009d C MEE094 2 800.359 800.855 800.4 800.59 Mm-hmm . 800.59 EN2009d A FEE083 0 805.408 805.872 805.45 805.83 Mm-hmm . 805.83 EN2009d A FEE083 0 815.73 816.295 815.79 816.25 Yeah . 816.25 EN2009d C MEE094 2 818.277 819.3 818.39 819.11 More . Mm-hmm . 818.83 819.11 EN2009d A FEE083 0 819.072 821.577 819.09 821.577 But that's like a separate analysis , right . So 820.37 821.06 EN2009d B FEE096 1 820.297 844.688 820.5 844.55 Sure , it's a separate analysis . But you don't wanna throw it away , right . So so you can define if all of these things are actually categorised by the eye tracker as to where the eye is , alright , you should be able to pull out any interesting category and say alright for this phase it's T_R_ one , or C_ . For this phase it's um S_Q_ one or C_ , okay . 820.73 821.74 823.23 823.54 830.58 831.13 838.82 839.93 844.24 844.55 EN2009d A FEE083 0 823.199 825.89 823.27 825.89 It no no . The so every separate 824.02 EN2009d A FEE083 0 830.356 830.938 830.44 830.84 Yeah . 830.84 EN2009d A FEE083 0 835.285 841.649 835.37 840.99 Mm-hmm . 840.99 EN2009d A FEE083 0 841.649 842.096 841.69 841.99 Yeah . 841.99 EN2009d A FEE083 0 844.192 865.127 844.21 865.06 But what we find e what we can get out of the data easily at the moment is at this kind of level , right . And then it's a case of defining algorithmically all these other transformations that you want . So this is one uh we hadn't thought of adding before , but we should , right . Which is um well , how would you decide whether something was the current addendum uh the cu 850.31 850.67 855.05 857.37 857.91 858.71 861.08 EN2009d B FEE096 1 847.06 847.536 847.16 847.44 Mm-hmm . 847.44 EN2009d B FEE096 1 850.293 850.825 850.38 850.7 Mm-hmm . 850.7 EN2009d B FEE096 1 864.773 871.136 864.87 870.95 You have to actually transcribe the thing or watch the film further on . Yeah . Yeah , absolutely . 868.73 869.84 870.15 870.95 EN2009d A FEE083 0 868.037 872.4 868.11 872.4 So that's a human decision . Yeah . Um 870.59 871.89 EN2009d C MEE094 2 870.115 870.614 870.2 870.54 Mm-hmm . 870.54 EN2009d D MEE095 3 870.535 871.142 870.6 871.05 Yeah . 871.05 EN2009d D MEE095 3 873.008 891.019 873.03 890.92 Yeah . So so m so I assume that well once you've that sort of information , you well you got the G_D_F_ format . You then filter it to say , right , between time X_ and time Y_ they're they're constructing that having triangle one to the construct . And then you just say in that time period , what percentage are they looking at triangle one . What percentage are they looking at the construct . Does that sound does that sound reasonable ? 873.14 875.82 877.57 878.94 879.2 884.42 886.33 887.74 889.66 890.92 EN2009d A FEE083 0 874.0 874.91 874.02 874.71 But the ex - EN2009d B FEE096 1 876.696 877.261 876.8 877.06 Yeah . 877.06 EN2009d B FEE096 1 887.99 913.196 888.11 913.09 Right . Right . Yeah , that's the addendum in the construct should be , you know , kind of they they change their true identity . But they're i their categories of stuff now I w my kind of assumption was that that this was J_P_ land , that that's what he was re what he was really interested in was the kind of coding which would define the building sequence , okay ? So and 889.75 890.33 890.65 892.63 892.88 896.32 904.44 911.18 911.91 EN2009d D MEE095 3 893.572 893.963 893.62 893.83 Yep . 893.83 EN2009d D MEE095 3 900.432 901.097 900.45 901.097 Yeah , 901.05 EN2009d C MEE094 2 906.276 908.255 906.37 908.255 Well he's really interested in - EN2009d D MEE095 3 911.759 912.108 911.84 912.03 Right . 912.03 EN2009d B FEE096 1 914.519 935.331 914.54 935.23 the and maybe he wants to think about that more and say well there were several candidates for the addendum , alright . And and it was the negotiation of which candidate was gonna be the right candidate that's actually the interesting stuff . So I should talk to him about this . He's he's actually um emailed me with a l with a list of things he wants to discuss at length . So I w I'll bring this one back to him . 921.2 921.55 926.82 928.13 933.41 935.23 EN2009d C MEE094 2 920.704 922.51 920.83 922.51 Mm-hmm . So which one does 921.29 EN2009d C MEE094 2 925.149 925.681 925.34 925.5 Mm-hmm . 925.5 EN2009d A FEE083 0 929.729 930.557 929.8 930.557 But we believe - EN2009d A FEE083 0 933.919 936.33 933.96 936.25 But we believe J_P_ to be defining that maybe . 936.25 EN2009d B FEE096 1 936.437 953.392 936.49 953.17 Well this is my question for him . Is he gonna define this kind of building sequence in a way that we can get out . Or is he so b I mean , you know , they've been working on construction there for a while . So it may be that they have a coding system that's ready to go and we should just apply it . 938.31 944.43 946.66 946.84 949.05 953.17 EN2009d A FEE083 0 955.648 956.105 955.67 955.92 Yeah . 955.92 EN2009d B FEE096 1 955.92 963.92 956.08 963.89 Okay . Um they do a lot of sub-assembly in the tasks they've been doing . So they may well have a yeah . 957.13 961.43 963.89 EN2009d A FEE083 0 960.221 960.57 960.3 960.52 Mm-hmm . 960.52 EN2009d A FEE083 0 962.482 965.377 962.55 965.33 I could believe them , yeah , no , taking an interest in that . 963.62 963.79 964.27 965.33 EN2009d B FEE096 1 966.8 968.016 966.83 967.71 Let's find out . 967.71 EN2009d A FEE083 0 967.433 971.601 967.48 971.57 I mean the general division was language here and other stuff there , right . 971.24 971.57 EN2009d B FEE096 1 970.568 1008.069 970.69 1007.96 Right . Right . So wha right . What well we but we have the now actions I mean actions might mostly be theirs , right . But since we have the the eye tracker i th we're gonna have to answer their questions about gaze , right . Yeah , I right . But um so they'll they'll uh they'll tell us something about that . But um presumably what you piously hope is happens here is what happened with um transactions , right , that the verbal analysis and the um and the visual analysis give you the same breaking points , the same chunking points . 971.59 972.16 974.38 979.09 979.43 985.69 986.54 986.89 988.19 991.83 999.98 1000.26 1006.83 1007.96 EN2009d C MEE094 2 971.072 983.368 971.09 983.1 Mm-hmm . That's what I have understood it to be . But well I don't know . But W uh mm-hmm mm-hmm . 972.08 973.7 975.23 983.1 EN2009d A FEE083 0 973.861 977.398 973.861 977.398 I'll just I'll just minute that . 976.9 EN2009d A FEE083 0 984.624 988.274 984.68 988.274 Oh yeah , eye tracker here . Yeah , I mean we know that . 985.17 986.25 986.49 987.79 EN2009d C MEE094 2 984.822 986.112 984.94 986.02 Yes , uh-huh , yeah . 985.27 985.86 986.02 EN2009d D MEE095 3 985.151 985.642 985.32 985.48 Right . 985.48 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1008.925 1021.051 1008.97 1020.91 Well yeah . But I mean with transaction coding on something like this you would use i y you wouldn't consider it verbal analysis exactly . It'd be verbal plus action . Because it's a task breakdown . It's just a segmentation . 1009.74 1014.93 1017.53 1019.72 1020.91 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1017.556 1028.864 1017.59 1028.83 Well , I mean what you know . It's it is it is a task breakdown . But for the verbal version there are ways of announcing that now we're doing a new one , right . Or that we're finished with the old one . 1017.92 1020.03 1021.8 1027.37 1027.58 1028.83 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1027.487 1033.559 1027.54 1033.52 Yeah , but you wouldn't have you you wouldn't do two codings for task level one you wouldn't do transaction coding in a action segmentation . 1027.74 1033.52 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1030.958 1042.64 1031.04 1042.53 No , you wouldn't . But I mean one of the things one of the things you'd like to establish you know , as an as an outcome of this is that you could analyse either end and you'd get the same chunking of the material . The thing which you guys thought to make in a paper . 1031.22 1031.72 1035.2 1040.84 1042.53 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1040.735 1054.853 1040.86 1054.81 I I don't think that's realistic , because I think what you'd actually do is use um the full record of what you have and do a segmentation . I think it'd be hard to understand what was going on if you used like just the language without watching the video to decide whether we're breaking down the task . 1042.43 1048.73 1054.81 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1054.77 1055.81 1054.88 1055.73 It's a hypothesis . 1055.73 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1056.368 1066.646 1056.39 1066.48 Oh , you don't want it to be coding th uh based on that though and then that seems a strange way to go about things . I mean this the language events are multi-modal , right . You know , they're they're doing all these things together . 1056.61 1062.55 1064.26 1064.75 1065.0 1066.48 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1062.381 1062.947 1062.44 1062.947 Well - EN2009d B FEE096 1 1066.406 1081.682 1066.49 1081.682 They are doing these things together . But one of the things that you one could imagine doing is um sen is , you know , having the transcription there and pl just play it back to a bunch of captive undergraduates and say when do they stop and start 1068.2 1072.77 1072.95 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1078.898 1083.912 1078.94 1083.912 Wha why do you care whether they can do it just based on the the language ? Is 1083.62 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1083.264 1102.385 1083.28 1102.22 Um because because essentially you're looking at um cycling sequences in discourse . And if the discourse tells you what's going on that's information . I mean I g one of the questions is how the information is gonna be shared across these media . And if you can get it all out of the speech , you know , if the if all of the chunking is available when there is speech , 1089.79 1093.25 1096.67 1099.09 1099.26 1102.22 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1104.016 1110.112 1104.17 1110.112 okay , then it's carrying a lot of the burden . It's saying we are done with that and 1105.0 1108.33 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1108.027 1115.67 1108.08 1115.67 Well , it seems to me much less important than the other things one could get out of this data . But I , you know , I it's a possibility . We'll 1108.41 1111.83 1112.44 1112.88 1115.35 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1112.4 1150.576 1112.54 1150.49 Mm . But this is but we haven't looked at data like this with this with our old-fashioned analyses um , you know . And i it's it would be really nice to know that that much information , that chunking of the task information is being carried by the language . Because J_P_'s question , the overriding question is so what's language for . You know , if people are busy interacting all the time and all of our colleagues don't even bother to control for whether people are talking to one another when they're doing these joint tasks because it seems to them to be irrelevant 'cause language is irrelevant , it would actually be nice to demonstrate that in a place where we're controlling whether you have language or not . You could get the entire chunking of the task out of a language . 1113.27 1119.01 1119.33 1123.39 1126.97 1129.01 1131.32 1131.56 1143.95 1148.15 1150.49 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1114.632 1116.411 1114.75 1116.33 It's mm-hmm . 1116.33 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1150.434 1164.326 1150.5 1164.23 Yeah , well I c I can see maybe wanting to know whether you can do the chunking just based on the actions without the language in cases where they use both . It's more g I can't quite see why it's important to know that they can do it just based on the language when w you know that they had both . 1150.65 1157.09 1164.23 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1154.544 1155.792 1154.56 1155.71 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 1155.37 1155.71 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1156.962 1157.561 1157.0 1157.42 Mm-hmm . 1157.42 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1163.112 1169.184 1163.31 1169.13 Because you know it's a self-contained system as opposed to a system which is which can't be interpreted without the other system . 1169.13 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1170.196 1173.875 1170.3 1173.77 Uh-huh . Well , I think that one's just bound to fail . But yeah . 1170.62 1170.91 1172.98 1173.77 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1170.72 1178.673 1170.83 1178.57 Okay . Usually the claim . Almost all studies on language claim that language is a self-contained system which will give you everything you need to know . 1171.67 1172.66 1178.57 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1179.371 1179.912 1179.44 1179.84 Really ? 1179.84 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1180.003 1181.217 1180.06 1181.17 That's the claim . 1181.17 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1182.389 1184.193 1182.41 1184.11 Okay . Anyway . 1183.77 1184.11 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1182.914 1187.611 1182.914 1187.56 Alright . I didn't say it was true . I said that's the claim . And so it's worth testing . 1184.32 1185.39 1186.37 1187.56 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1188.8 1225.119 1188.86 1224.93 So back back to this main problem , which is yeah , w the record that we are getting in the first instance is about the m about these you know , they're looking at some region of the screen defined dynamically . And then we need some way of knowing what the you can you can see adding these other analyses about , you know , they're they're jointly focused on this region and trying to figure out what s percentage of time they're looking at it as adding new tiers of information to either the ELAN track or N_X_T_ . They're they're both sort of track based in this way . 1191.4 1193.63 1200.99 1205.29 1212.43 1212.76 1222.61 1224.93 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1190.604 1191.037 1190.68 1190.92 Mm-hmm . 1190.92 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1203.952 1204.544 1204.0 1204.45 Mm-hmm . 1204.45 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1224.405 1224.937 1224.48 1224.82 Mm-hmm . 1224.82 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1225.119 1253.399 1225.66 1253.31 Um but the hard part is knowing how you wanna do that . And I I think in the first instance what we're trying to get into the G_D_F_ format is just this . And then we've got no option but to uh figure out a way for like to look at this , just explore this data , suggest ways about doing it and um be able to play them back and see um when we think we've got these things right . I don't think we even know what the set of these things are that we want , much less how to get 'em yet . So th 1228.97 1234.16 1239.27 1240.8 1247.92 1251.38 1253.06 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1251.501 1252.117 1251.6 1252.08 Mm-hmm . 1252.08 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1252.047 1257.619 1252.17 1257.619 No no . And we won't and establishing the full set will , you know , take us much of the project . So you know 1252.57 1254.89 1255.11 1256.18 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1256.676 1267.649 1256.74 1267.649 Yeah , that's right . So this is not the you know , this is something we're aiming for . But this isn't something that affects what Craig programs for the initial G_D_F_ translation . Um 1257.15 1257.69 1260.07 1261.04 1267.05 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1262.272 1264.058 1262.29 1263.88 You can we can announce now . 1263.88 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1267.105 1276.176 1267.13 1276.03 Fine . My only concern w uh you a as I said when I barged in was just to make sure that we didn't lose the things that we might need to pick up later . That's all . 1267.48 1275.7 1276.03 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1275.524 1294.638 1275.61 1294.57 Yeah . So let's just return to this question of frame rate . Because this is the thing we were not planning to um transfer into this format . So again , you know , what a frame rate kind kind of coding is ag it can again be seen as a track . But it says it's a coding like this , right , where you say it's in state A_ , state B_ , state C_ , state A_ . 1276.31 1278.88 1283.13 1283.9 1284.11 1288.21 1290.52 1291.19 1292.81 1293.39 1294.01 1294.57 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1289.344 1290.256 1289.4 1290.16 Every single frame . 1290.16 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1291.952 1292.416 1291.99 1292.416 Well - EN2009d B FEE096 1 1294.048 1321.154 1294.07 1321.01 Okay . But since the l the definitions of look a thing we're looking at are d um are the ones which get rid of the lower level . Like jiggling around in the area of a particular object , right . So if we're moving the the green triangle um we've defined a region which is the dynamically the green triangle , wherever it is . We will jiggle around in there . But it doesn't matter where we are in there . That's beneath our level of analysis . S 1294.38 1303.54 1307.33 1307.84 1315.11 1316.05 1317.2 1318.73 1320.79 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1314.027 1314.834 1314.1 1314.56 Mm-hmm . 1314.56 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1318.864 1326.755 1318.91 1326.67 Right . So you right . So I'm just you're happy that it's not gonna have frame rate uh like this . It's gonna have an interpretation like this . 1319.4 1320.3 1324.85 1326.67 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1319.242 1321.246 1319.38 1321.246 Mm-hmm . Well 1320.93 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1326.56 1333.369 1326.61 1333.32 Well the in that interpretation is definable to frame rate by our by the only way we're gonna use frame rate . 1333.32 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1334.144 1335.341 1334.16 1335.25 What does that mean ? Sorry . 1334.82 1335.25 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1335.056 1356.128 1335.08 1356.128 I c well , I mean i because I can I can say for how many frames this fixation went is officially defined . So that as long as I as long as it's not a untimed event , okay . A and an end time . So it's , you know , it's fine . I can say it's a long one . Or it's a short one . Or it's , you know , it's twenty milliseconds more than that one . That's 1335.73 1343.54 1347.39 1347.78 1349.9 1350.4 1350.59 1350.96 1352.4 1353.19 1353.66 1353.93 1355.72 EN2009d D MEE095 3 1347.619 1350.248 1347.68 1350.248 Yeah , all all the all events have a start time and an end time . So 1347.79 1349.83 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1348.048 1348.505 1348.17 1348.44 Right . 1348.44 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1353.045 1367.413 1353.08 1367.34 W right . But it seems to me it seems to me that Ellen's concerns might mean we need to add more information to these tags because um , you know , this thing in itself is th bunch of fixations , right , with saccades . 1353.98 1361.29 1361.49 1365.89 1366.33 1367.34 EN2009d D MEE095 3 1353.89 1354.215 1353.96 1354.14 Yeah . 1354.14 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1361.274 1362.263 1361.59 1362.2 Uh but y y y - EN2009d C MEE094 2 1363.84 1371.127 1363.94 1371.127 You mean to the tags of the data w within it . Yeah . So so things like fixation , the number of fixations a and 1366.32 1366.59 1369.08 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1366.831 1367.248 1366.9 1367.17 Mm-hmm . 1367.17 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1369.65 1374.16 1369.7 1374.09 Fixations and the percentage of time those fixations cover , you might want . 1373.37 1374.09 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1374.176 1386.422 1374.31 1386.36 Bi um yeah , with some some measure of the so we could work out the number of fixations that made and the average fixation duration as well . Because having st long steady fixations can be informative . 1375.75 1383.28 1386.36 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1385.14 1385.624 1385.17 1385.59 Okay . 1385.59 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1385.216 1385.6 1385.25 1385.45 Mm-hmm . 1385.45 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1387.12 1396.384 1387.14 1396.29 And okay , I'm I'm asking you as an expert . This is this this isn't a leading question . This is a question question . Why would that be informative particularly ? 1388.61 1390.27 1392.03 1394.06 1396.29 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1387.904 1390.608 1387.93 1390.608 So number of fixations . Percentage of 1389.42 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1396.48 1416.298 1396.55 1416.26 Um if if they're holding their if there's less dancing around , the um the cognitive focus tends to be in one sort of part . So uh there is a difference between if they even though they're still looking at the same part , if they're looking around it uh rather than just holding their gaze steady or um and longer on it . 1401.27 1406.21 1410.32 1416.26 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1401.03 1401.529 1401.07 1401.4 Uh-huh . 1401.4 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1410.64 1410.976 1410.67 1410.86 Mm-hmm . 1410.86 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1412.192 1412.806 1412.27 1412.77 Uh-huh . 1412.77 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1415.652 1438.956 1415.72 1438.91 On it . So you think that if for example if they're looking at um one or another um apex of a triangle it would just that would make a difference . They were exploring the thing , as opposed to they were simply alright , there is it there it is . Okay , so th um so that really means that we're not throwing away absolute fixations . 1416.43 1426.96 1428.43 1430.1 1431.67 1432.31 1438.91 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1426.288 1431.52 1426.31 1431.49 Uh yeah . It , yeah , it's it's certainly it's it's worth mm-hmm . 1428.19 1428.39 1428.59 1431.49 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1439.705 1441.883 1439.76 1441.883 Uh no , I wouldn't want to throw out 1440.44 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1440.72 1444.176 1440.74 1444.0 The screen location of absolute fixations . 1444.0 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1444.452 1447.519 1444.452 1447.519 Put the actual location - EN2009d A FEE083 0 1446.16 1461.344 1446.18 1461.344 No no . This is this is still um uh summary data . They're he's we're talking about just adding attributes to these things that say the number of fixations that counted as that looking at triangle one , right . So y it's possible 1446.5 1451.34 1458.7 1459.88 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1451.134 1451.78 1451.27 1451.72 Mm-hmm . 1451.72 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1454.162 1454.611 1454.23 1454.57 Alright . 1454.57 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1457.387 1457.888 1457.47 1457.84 Mm-hmm . 1457.84 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1459.303 1476.36 1459.4 1476.28 Uh-huh . As opposed to out of it . So you so I thought I understood you to mean exploring the figure . Because you know , your fixation is a point . And the figures are bigger than points . So you could be exploring the figure or you could be just somewhere in the region defined as the figure but not on it . 1460.6 1461.74 1466.68 1467.31 1468.92 1470.62 1476.28 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1460.455 1461.769 1460.69 1461.769 I mean presumably - EN2009d C MEE094 2 1475.854 1485.861 1475.92 1485.66 Uh if well yes , but that probably isn't going to be easy to get out because you'd then have to break up uh the parts somehow . 1477.63 1485.66 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1481.392 1483.436 1481.41 1483.436 Okay . Alright , fine . The 1482.45 1482.76 1483.22 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1485.008 1490.164 1485.12 1490.06 So you just want to know the variability of the of the fixation . And wouldn't that differ from person to person ? 1488.3 1490.06 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1487.299 1488.96 1487.41 1488.93 Yep . Mm-hmm . 1487.92 1488.93 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1491.009 1499.216 1491.26 1499.11 Uh it it yes , it can do , but it's also looking at it within their their own behaviour to see , yeah . 1492.73 1493.29 1498.9 1499.11 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1499.136 1510.64 1499.24 1510.5 Okay . So it's the number of different spots within that region where the eye has fixed the number of different fix oh , ok okay . So it's a jiggle rate , okay . 1499.51 1508.5 1509.28 1510.14 1510.5 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1504.16 1512.758 1504.18 1512.758 Uh th w I I would say just the number of fixations . I mean it could just be yeah , the number of different yeah . Yeah . Mm-hmm . Yep . Exactly . So 1507.26 1508.39 1510.03 1510.71 1511.56 1511.96 1512.43 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1508.333 1535.958 1508.39 1535.9 Yeah , the spots'll be different anyway . 'Cause i you're not gonna g have the same pixel . So um we have the option that we can put in an A_ fixation thing here , right , as well . If you want the smaller if you want the smaller coding in in here . So that it's not just parsed into this idea of which object . But you also have the raw fixation um data . We can put that in as another track . If you think that that's something that you might want to look at in one of these tools that shows you the tracks against each other . 1508.6 1509.86 1512.83 1517.11 1517.4 1517.98 1522.64 1526.24 1529.36 1530.85 1535.9 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1512.004 1512.496 1512.07 1512.39 Right . 1512.39 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1516.918 1519.625 1517.32 1519.625 Mm-hmm . I mean to 1518.96 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1518.048 1518.497 1518.08 1518.35 Mm-hmm . 1518.35 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1535.556 1540.944 1535.68 1540.81 Well , all I th understood you to ask for was the duration of each fixation inside . Yeah . 1536.15 1540.53 1540.81 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1538.901 1542.819 1538.97 1542.819 Yeah , I d that's all he asked for . Yeah . Well , I think 1539.26 1540.53 1542.09 1542.35 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1539.989 1550.766 1539.989 1550.766 It yeah . Uh if if we've got everything , then I suppose it's you can always yes , it's you're not throwing anything away then . Or 1540.81 1543.35 1546.46 1550.07 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1544.635 1545.566 1544.7 1545.45 You can come back . 1545.45 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1549.834 1571.481 1549.87 1571.39 Yeah , and in N_X_T_ there's no cost , right , because the y the uh you just don't choose to load those . All we're doing is dumping it as output that you can load if you choose to . Um i g s you know , so if they're things that you just know are crazy and you're not gonna want then we don't do it . But otherwise we go ahead and dump 'em . 'Cause it's easy to dump out the fixations . Um yeah ? 1550.07 1551.38 1551.56 1555.4 1559.07 1560.99 1565.43 1567.07 1569.59 1571.39 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1555.166 1555.582 1555.21 1555.45 Right . 1555.45 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1559.488 1560.071 1559.51 1559.99 Okay . 1559.99 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1563.979 1564.561 1564.02 1564.33 Mm-hmm . 1564.33 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1565.952 1566.489 1566.09 1566.44 Right . 1566.44 EN2009d D MEE095 3 1570.219 1570.585 1570.24 1570.45 Yeah . 1570.45 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1570.362 1573.489 1570.6 1573.42 So it's the number of different fixations . 1573.42 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1573.477 1578.626 1573.53 1578.626 Okay . So it's the number of fixations the did you want the you 1573.78 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1574.984 1578.46 1575.03 1578.31 Well , actually do you want the average duration ? Or do you want the number of different ones ? 1575.36 1576.84 1578.31 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1577.233 1583.28 1577.4 1583.28 Uh but uh uh number uh well the uh duration time as well somehow . Whether it's the average one or 1581.76 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1583.744 1586.04 1583.77 1585.97 Duration of each fixation in the region . 1585.97 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1584.864 1587.317 1584.88 1587.317 Of the fixation . Well 1586.8 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1585.784 1596.213 1585.9 1596.213 M not e well , if it's each , you have to d you have to break it down into another tier , right . You can't you can say there were three fixations and they averaged uh a certain time . But you don't wanna 1587.01 1587.61 1590.28 1590.99 1595.31 EN2009d D MEE095 3 1590.308 1590.867 1590.48 1590.81 Yeah . 1590.81 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1595.171 1599.954 1595.26 1599.954 The the average should be alright uh to work with . The the 1599.41 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1598.068 1603.18 1598.22 1603.18 D well , what about the the overall sum of the durations ? Is that I mean which way do you want to 1598.49 1600.91 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1601.545 1602.842 1601.59 1602.65 Well , you've already got that . 1601.88 1602.65 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1601.807 1608.895 1601.93 1608.82 Uh well , if you've got the number of fixations in the average time , you can then just generate it . Yeah , yeah . 1602.19 1605.05 1608.03 1608.57 1608.82 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1605.068 1608.448 1605.14 1608.4 Yeah , then that's that's the way you want it ? That way around ? 1605.52 1607.71 1608.4 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1610.422 1611.154 1610.53 1611.01 Okay . 1611.01 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1610.457 1613.344 1610.56 1613.21 So that's a measure of jiggle in the region , roughly . 1612.78 1613.21 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1613.493 1614.092 1613.62 1613.96 Mm-hmm . 1613.96 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1614.396 1624.846 1614.46 1624.846 And uh y did you want the percentage of time fixated as opposed to which is sort of another view of this number . You can have as many of these as 1623.08 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1620.08 1620.664 1620.1 1620.664 Uh - EN2009d B FEE096 1 1621.293 1621.859 1621.34 1621.74 Moving . 1621.74 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1623.141 1627.729 1623.38 1627.729 Again , uh that that should be you should be able to derive that presumably from 1623.74 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1626.892 1645.596 1626.93 1645.49 Yeah . Well , it's not um the the extra cost of having these as attributes is not high . So um , you know , it saves you i uh having to do write scripts to do arithmetic on that later if you know that these are numbers that are gonna be useful to you . 1627.97 1628.39 1634.54 1636.15 1636.43 1645.49 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1641.328 1642.012 1641.64 1641.88 Okay . 1641.88 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1641.878 1642.468 1642.0 1642.33 Right . 1642.33 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1644.928 1660.464 1644.928 1660.41 What's our error of measurement on location on the screen ? So to what degree do we actually know whether the two little eyes , little circles , are exactly in the same place or just somewhere in the same region ? 1649.73 1655.59 1656.23 1660.41 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1659.387 1684.368 1659.387 1684.33 Uh that it can vary a bit depending on the calibration . But if we're building in a sort of error margin um it it will be based on pixels around . But there'll also be a minimum one . 'Cause I'm trying to think that it's probably the small the actual mouse icon is so small , it'll need a slightly larger uh just because if what you have i is a sort of larger error or of b error margin around it . 1663.04 1669.35 1670.79 1676.21 1684.33 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1663.024 1663.837 1663.08 1663.75 Right , okay . 1663.42 1663.75 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1666.208 1666.655 1666.29 1666.58 Right . 1666.58 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1675.808 1676.317 1675.84 1676.18 Mm-hmm . 1676.18 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1680.272 1681.776 1680.32 1681.55 It's yeah , okay , right . 1680.77 1681.32 1681.55 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1682.768 1682.992 1682.83 1682.91 S - EN2009d B FEE096 1 1684.48 1697.982 1684.5 1697.86 Okay . So my question was going to be alright , the the mouse is a dynamic object , right . The eye track is a dynamic object ? Or is it only the the piece that the eye tra the other person's eye track is on that's that's an object in this definition ? 1684.72 1686.89 1689.02 1689.59 1691.58 1697.86 EN2009d D MEE095 3 1685.092 1685.475 1685.19 1685.39 Yeah . 1685.39 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1697.019 1706.739 1697.019 1706.67 Uh no . The o the other person's gaze position as well . Mm-hmm . Yep . Trea treated the same as as the mouse say . Yep . Mm-hmm . 1698.44 1701.4 1702.1 1702.66 1705.67 1706.13 1706.67 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1700.304 1712.704 1700.39 1712.704 Is a is an object . Okay . With some with plus or minus something or other , yeah , around it . Some circular area . Okay . And 1702.64 1702.92 1705.95 1707.1 1707.73 1710.6 1711.7 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1709.648 1710.455 1709.7 1710.39 Yes , yep . 1710.24 1710.39 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1715.344 1734.512 1715.48 1734.512 Um so you can be on the object but not on the other person's gaze . So there can be a triangle which has A_'s gaze in the centre and your gaze actually happens to be here . You're in the triangle region . Does this 1720.42 1731.18 1733.91 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1723.738 1726.775 1724.04 1726.73 Yes . So if there uh if mm-hmm . 1724.74 1726.73 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1730.848 1731.428 1730.87 1731.31 Yes . 1731.31 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1733.644 1734.218 1733.72 1734.09 Mm-hmm . 1734.09 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1734.392 1743.04 1734.44 1742.96 But not looking at their individual and pr fact , they probably will avoid looking directly . Because if they're looking directly at it , it's obscuring 1736.93 1740.19 1741.89 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1738.116 1738.608 1738.21 1738.53 Okay . 1738.53 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1744.512 1746.413 1744.56 1746.35 the the part . 1746.35 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1746.128 1752.816 1746.39 1752.75 But it's directly added when when these two in this situation when these two overlap , right , like this . 1752.01 1752.25 1752.75 EN2009d D MEE095 3 1746.755 1747.053 1746.755 1747.053 . 3102.02 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1749.717 1750.388 1749.92 1750.35 Mm-hmm . 1750.35 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1752.443 1753.532 1752.5 1753.5 Yeah , mm-hmm . 1752.76 1753.5 EN2009d D MEE095 3 1753.674 1768.866 1753.75 1768.65 Okay . Yeah 'cause I think that that's gonna co that's 'cause b the diagram we got there suggesting that they're only looking thing at time . So whether it's triangle or whatever else . But so what you're suggesting there is they can be looking at the triangle and maybe a mouse pointer and maybe an eye at the same time . Okay , okay . 1754.4 1759.78 1761.74 1768.02 1768.49 1768.65 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1759.921 1760.496 1760.01 1760.26 Mm-hmm . 1760.26 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1761.712 1762.16 1761.8 1762.06 Mm-hmm . 1762.06 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1765.523 1765.847 1765.56 1765.8 Yeah . 1765.8 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1766.089 1782.556 1766.18 1782.44 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Well it would come up it would say yes , right ? I mean because they would be in the same place . So if you y you're gonna have dynamic regions which overlap one another by definition . If the mouse is on the construct , then right , right . 1767.03 1767.58 1768.52 1770.58 1770.89 1773.67 1777.75 1780.37 1782.16 1782.44 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1767.576 1768.09 1767.67 1768.09 The - EN2009d A FEE083 0 1773.278 1773.918 1773.32 1773.85 I don't know . 1773.85 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1773.701 1774.334 1773.73 1774.23 Mm-hmm . 1774.23 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1776.898 1783.328 1776.92 1783.23 Mm-hmm . The m the mouse , the gaze and the part are all layered . 1778.51 1779.5 1783.23 EN2009d D MEE095 3 1779.927 1783.684 1779.98 1783.684 Yeah . Yep . Yeah , yeah . 'Cause you get c 'cause you 1780.31 1781.28 1781.94 1782.8 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1782.208 1793.933 1782.25 1793.88 Well well but y those are different tracks of information . So what you want is one track of information about which object it's one , one about whether or not it's on the other guy's gaze , and one about whether it's on um one of the mouse positions . 1785.57 1788.64 1790.57 1793.88 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1785.824 1786.44 1785.92 1786.31 Right . 1786.31 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1792.716 1809.038 1792.89 1808.9 We treat those as as other objects . But the difference between them and the the parts of the c thing to be constructed is that they're allowed to overlap with other things so nothing breaks . Okay ? If we mm-hmm . 1796.15 1806.43 1807.06 1808.9 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1807.024 1819.343 1807.04 1819.343 Yeah , but i in in the analysis you should treat those as completely separate tracks of information . Because they can be looking at they could look sim simultaneously at somebody's mouse , somebody's gaze and some object , right . So 1807.2 1811.81 1816.15 1818.56 1818.88 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1811.983 1812.365 1812.06 1812.23 Ye - EN2009d B FEE096 1 1817.949 1827.384 1818.06 1827.22 Mm-hmm . Yes , as opposed to simply looking at somebody's gaze when the mouse isn't also there , right . And you want to know those things . Right , they're i they're independent dynamic objects . 1818.72 1818.97 1822.73 1822.95 1824.91 1825.13 1827.22 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1822.711 1837.739 1822.8 1837.739 Yeah . So the these are independent . So so what we want is whether they're looking at s at the other person's gaze , right , and say they are in this period well , I mean uh they're probably not given what I've trying to 1823.61 1825.04 1831.02 1831.35 1834.93 EN2009d D MEE095 3 1823.138 1823.463 1823.2 1823.36 Yep . 1823.36 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1826.816 1827.488 1827.03 1827.33 Mm-hmm . 1827.33 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1835.592 1869.699 1835.65 1869.55 Okay . So a definition of we're all looking at and touching the same thing . So imagine that we've just added a piece to the construct , alright . So now that's the construct . And both mouse symbols are on it , right . And both gazes are on it , right . So at that point you should have a line-up of A_ is on the construct , A_ is on the mouse , A_ is on A_ is on A_'s mouse , A_ is on B_'s mouse , A_ is on B_'s gaze , and B_ likewise . Okay . 1835.91 1838.98 1843.3 1843.9 1846.02 1851.11 1851.81 1855.07 1855.69 1860.84 1862.27 1863.88 1864.88 1866.66 1869.19 1869.55 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1843.314 1843.863 1843.45 1843.75 Mm-hmm . 1843.75 EN2009d D MEE095 3 1850.98 1851.338 1851.11 1851.26 Yeah . 1851.26 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1851.638 1852.095 1851.7 1851.94 Mm-hmm . 1851.94 EN2009d D MEE095 3 1854.832 1855.239 1854.86 1855.05 Yep . 1855.05 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1866.627 1867.034 1866.73 1866.98 Mm-hmm . 1866.98 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1868.816 1876.016 1868.84 1875.96 Yeah . So g so there's there's a lot of tracks here , right . Because well we just added this fixation track . 1869.7 1872.27 1872.94 1875.96 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1872.736 1873.092 1872.79 1872.99 Right . 1872.99 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1878.239 1879.561 1878.33 1879.43 Ooh , I love the eraser . 1878.42 1879.43 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1878.436 1887.536 1878.52 1887.49 And then there is A_'s mouse , not their eyes , is on an object , right . And the mouse might be on triangle one . 1881.27 1882.5 1883.99 1884.48 1887.49 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1884.016 1888.56 1884.04 1888.53 Mm-hmm . Yeah , but the mouse is also a dynamic object . 1885.47 1885.86 1888.53 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1890.009 1906.48 1890.09 1906.06 But it doesn't matter . I mean i the mouse we're just saying where is the mouse . You know , it's on this object . And then um A_'s eye is on well A_'s mouse I guess , right . A_'s eye might be looking at A_'s mouse here . 1891.32 1894.84 1895.07 1896.64 1902.77 1903.52 1906.06 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1891.409 1892.365 1891.43 1892.21 That's fine . Okay . 1891.92 1892.21 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1894.304 1894.72 1894.34 1894.59 Mm-hmm . 1894.59 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1895.936 1896.192 1895.97 1896.16 Mm . 1896.16 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1908.267 1928.28 1908.44 1928.16 A_'s eye might be looking at B_'s mouse here , right . I mean these are all the different ways of taking cross-products at the things that could be co-located . So you just treat 'em as independent . And I'm guessing from what you say yeah . I guessing from what you're saying you want all these tracks . Yeah , which is fine . There's no problem with that at all . 1912.35 1912.63 1917.46 1919.31 1922.17 1926.16 1926.43 1926.91 1928.16 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1912.917 1913.44 1912.99 1913.41 Mm-hmm . 1913.41 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1916.326 1916.808 1916.4 1916.66 Right . 1916.66 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1919.451 1922.224 1919.56 1922.18 And then you then you look for combinations of them . Yeah . 1921.89 1922.18 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1924.986 1937.232 1925.08 1937.232 I think we need to . Because tha some measure of alignment is looking where the other guy is directing attention . And there are two measures of where the other guy is directing attention that you get from the visual track . One is where the mouse is and the other is where the gaze is . So 1926.11 1929.97 1934.27 1936.9 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1929.473 1930.08 1929.59 1929.99 Mm-hmm . 1929.99 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1935.256 1935.68 1935.35 1935.6 Yeah . 1935.6 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1937.103 1941.054 1937.32 1940.91 S so um uh you kinda got the idea here ? Yeah . 1940.64 1940.91 EN2009d D MEE095 3 1939.938 1957.047 1940.01 1956.91 Yep , yep . Okay , yeah . So so yeah . So so it's just a matter of adding these , the two mouse pointers and the um two gazes as extra objects . Um so yeah . As long as as long as they've got an I_D_ in there we can just say right at this p between these times they're looking at that object or they're looking at the mouse , they're looking at whatever . 1940.32 1940.56 1940.77 1940.97 1941.5 1943.92 1948.68 1950.05 1956.14 1956.91 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1943.168 1943.582 1943.21 1943.43 Mm-hmm . 1943.43 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1952.01 1952.409 1952.06 1952.31 Right . 1952.31 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1955.6 1956.016 1955.63 1955.88 Right . 1955.88 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1955.919 1956.51 1956.0 1956.41 Mm-hmm . 1956.41 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1957.136 1971.096 1957.19 1971.01 But the important thing is you don't treat that entire set as mutually exclusive and exhaustive . It's just so tha the objects is like a separate level of analysis . If whether they're looking at the objects than whether they're looking at the gaze . 'Cause they can happen at the same time . 1961.02 1967.55 1969.88 1971.01 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1957.024 1957.968 1957.22 1957.968 So - EN2009d B FEE096 1 1963.528 1967.92 1963.58 1967.92 Yeah , that actually true . Be 'cause 1963.77 1966.05 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1965.779 1966.352 1965.89 1966.32 Mm-hmm . 1966.32 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1969.664 1984.672 1969.77 1984.62 Right , but that it's also gonna be the case that um whatever region you define as the region of the dynamic object of the red triangle may get to the point where it overlaps the region of the dynamic object of the green square . Okay , what do we do about that ? 1970.08 1983.34 1983.67 1984.62 EN2009d D MEE095 3 1971.142 1971.458 1971.23 1971.38 Yep . 1971.38 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1984.965 1985.705 1985.01 1985.67 Does that happen ? 1985.67 EN2009d B FEE096 1 1986.109 2001.216 1986.22 2001.17 Yeah , because if you have them close together , there's always some fuzz factor around them . And so if they're left lying close together , okay , or in the in fact in the model , in the not in the model , in the in the supplies set they're actually neatly packed into a little space . 1986.4 1987.57 1990.26 1993.16 1993.44 1995.12 1996.0 2001.17 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1986.27 1991.604 1986.37 1991.604 Uh uh if when they get moved together . Mm-hmm . It 1989.37 1991.29 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1989.206 1990.038 1989.28 1990.0 Oh , right . 1989.75 1990.0 EN2009d A FEE083 0 1993.116 1993.676 1993.16 1993.56 Uh-huh . 1993.56 EN2009d C MEE094 2 1994.448 1995.08 1994.56 1995.04 Mm-hmm . 1995.04 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2001.241 2005.515 2001.33 2005.515 Okay . So what you're saying is like a new problem for us , which is I'm gonna change 2001.76 2003.84 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2001.27 2001.86 2001.35 2001.82 Mm-hmm . 2001.82 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2004.048 2004.396 2004.08 2004.33 Mm-hmm . 2004.33 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2004.822 2015.072 2004.88 2015.04 Two objects close together , your eye gaze can actually be looking at the left edge of one and the right edge of the other . And they're sor therefore looking at two objects at once . 2006.38 2012.9 2015.04 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2010.64 2012.001 2010.64 2011.9 That's the bad one . 2011.9 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2012.71 2013.168 2012.78 2013.09 Mm-hmm . 2013.09 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2015.264 2016.407 2015.28 2016.407 Yeah . So you're saying 2015.59 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2015.197 2015.729 2015.3 2015.56 Yeah . 2015.56 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2017.152 2020.656 2017.152 2020.656 Squeak squeak . Yes . 2019.13 2019.77 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2017.192 2020.195 2017.192 2020.195 Saying they need some new pens . 2020.11 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2018.912 2024.101 2019.01 2024.01 Okay . Can you write on my pen pad ? Just say , yeah , pens . 2020.32 2022.02 2023.16 2023.45 2024.01 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2021.917 2027.499 2022.01 2027.44 New pens . White-board pens . 2026.62 2027.44 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2023.261 2025.853 2023.261 2025.66 Pens . 2025.66 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2026.155 2034.635 2026.31 2034.635 White-board pens . So you're saying , you know , they could be looking at um uh square one at this point . 'Cause they 2028.42 2029.22 2029.44 2034.01 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2033.72 2034.602 2033.86 2034.47 I confuse 'em . 2034.47 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2035.808 2039.232 2035.92 2039.14 Because the two are so close together that their regions overlap . 2039.14 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2036.598 2037.537 2036.598 2037.45 close together . 2037.45 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2039.114 2043.338 2039.14 2043.25 Okay , that's a problem for the data models and either of the things that we were using . 2039.35 2043.25 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2041.968 2042.582 2042.0 2042.46 Mm-hmm . 2042.46 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2041.995 2056.624 2042.09 2056.59 Mm-hmm . Uh unle uh but it uh unless we just define it as there's only they're they are exclusive . And which ever area m has the greatest overlap is what they're actually looking at . 2044.06 2051.65 2056.59 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2043.904 2045.529 2043.98 2045.529 Yeah . that would 2044.95 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2057.28 2058.827 2057.3 2058.56 What do you mean by greatest overlap ? 2058.56 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2057.635 2059.075 2057.81 2058.91 The greatest overlap with what ? 2058.91 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2058.771 2067.023 2058.85 2066.97 Well it w if if you've got your sort of eye position , and it's it's unlikely to be exactly fifty percent in one object and fifty percent in the other . 2062.47 2066.97 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2061.792 2062.496 2061.85 2062.44 Ho ho . 2062.44 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2067.776 2071.194 2067.8 2071.12 Draw uh my g my uh spacial reasoning is no good . 2071.12 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2068.504 2069.56 2069.13 2069.56 Uh - EN2009d D MEE095 3 2070.843 2072.33 2070.843 2072.28 Yeah . 2072.28 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2072.49 2084.827 2072.51 2084.827 Well I uh uh put these things on . Yeah . Uh uh what I'm I'm thinking is if you've got say one object there and right . You know , so this is 2077.74 2078.02 2084.08 2084.3 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2072.56 2074.521 2072.58 2074.4 I think I think you're throwing information away . 2074.4 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2073.385 2078.694 2073.44 2078.694 See uh I I'm the one that uses the white-board . 'Cause I actually put the the microphones on . 2075.45 2078.6 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2084.548 2085.728 2084.69 2085.62 Uh this is the better pen . 2085.62 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2086.887 2099.343 2086.887 2099.12 thank you . Uh part one and part two . And you've got they're sort of they're looking 2093.22 2097.22 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2101.024 2101.671 2101.04 2101.41 there . 2101.41 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2101.82 2102.436 2101.91 2102.34 Uh-huh . 2102.34 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2103.44 2109.522 2103.46 2109.49 Then that overlap means they're looking at the two pieces simultaneously . 2109.49 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2109.68 2112.569 2109.7 2112.5 Yeah . But you had a way of choosing which one , right ? 2111.04 2112.29 2112.5 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2110.894 2111.41 2110.98 2111.41 But - EN2009d B FEE096 1 2112.637 2117.858 2112.76 2117.858 Yeah . But it may be a bad idea . It may be a bad idea . You've just thrown data away . 2113.14 2115.19 2116.19 2117.38 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2112.811 2128.654 2112.87 2128.16 Yeah , uh just if this is there's more of it uh yeah , I yes , uh that's w uh that's that's a decision we'll uh uh uh I'm saying is if they're looking if most of what their overlap is here then we stick with that one . 2113.19 2116.62 2117.79 2128.16 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2117.609 2118.632 2117.69 2118.632 Yeah . 2118.55 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2120.832 2122.836 2120.93 2122.62 Yeah . J 2122.53 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2121.01 2121.958 2121.05 2121.958 Well thing is that with - EN2009d A FEE083 0 2128.61 2137.362 2128.69 2137.33 So you just mean which i is it closer to the is the circle I mean , what is this circle ? They're looking at a pixel or something , right ? 2134.1 2135.45 2137.08 2137.33 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2128.742 2129.208 2128.78 2129.208 Well - EN2009d C MEE094 2 2135.316 2170.184 2135.79 2170.15 Uh that's th we no , that because um the gaze position will be a sort of fuzzy area . It won't just be a pixel . It'll it'll be an actual like circle and area . Yeah . So i i it it that's that's going to be w uh it's it's not just a single point . It's it's a it's a sort of lump target . And so there'll be a bit of a a sort uh some sort of overlap of two objects . Or b yeah , they could just be oscillating mm-hmm . 2137.74 2144.52 2145.76 2149.0 2150.24 2155.01 2159.03 2165.47 2166.94 2170.15 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2147.712 2151.616 2147.73 2151.57 The gaze will wobble . The gaze will wobble . That's natural . 2149.3 2150.93 2151.57 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2147.685 2148.317 2147.76 2148.16 Right . 2148.16 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2151.868 2155.909 2151.9 2155.83 S right . Oh , so those vary in size . Yeah yeah . 2153.86 2153.98 2155.34 2155.83 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2155.232 2155.613 2155.27 2155.48 Mm-hmm . 2155.48 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2158.986 2159.485 2159.05 2159.34 Mm-hmm . 2159.34 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2164.011 2164.309 2164.04 2164.14 Yeah . 2164.14 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2164.48 2172.399 2164.5 2172.3 Or indeed they might be looking from one to another . D or deciding which one to choose or thinking so you don't want to decide it's only one and throw the other one out . 2167.23 2172.3 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2167.087 2168.615 2167.11 2168.43 Yeah . They could be . 2167.72 2168.43 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2169.384 2177.611 2169.384 2177.611 . Yeah . thing thing is W_G_D_S_ formats is wor is working at the moment . It's actually got a separate track for each part . So 2169.384 2171.65 2175.13 2177.09 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2175.152 2175.467 2175.17 2175.39 Mm-hmm . 2175.39 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2176.624 2180.128 2176.78 2180.06 Okay , well that's fine . That I was going to say that's the obvious way to do it . 2177.05 2178.01 2180.06 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2179.44 2187.203 2179.52 2187.203 Oh , but what pain that's gonna be analytically . Because it's gonna how many parts are there ? Like 2179.81 2181.97 2186.72 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2180.153 2180.644 2180.22 2180.55 Yeah . 2180.55 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2183.44 2188.376 2183.46 2188.28 Well each one is yes or no . couple of dozen . 2187.75 2188.28 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2184.146 2184.92 2184.27 2184.92 Well the - EN2009d D MEE095 3 2186.973 2195.471 2187.05 2195.471 Well the the the it depen depends on the depends on what you build in . There's different parts there's different parts whether you're doing the tamgram or whether you're doing an airpa airplane or whatever . Um 2189.43 2194.78 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2189.536 2190.039 2189.63 2189.92 Right . 2189.92 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2195.712 2197.487 2195.73 2197.33 Six to a dozen usually . 2197.33 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2196.926 2201.109 2197.05 2200.95 Okay . I know ways of getting around this analytically . 2199.29 2200.95 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2197.069 2204.263 2197.18 2204.1 But th but sa but thing is if if we if we got if we got tracks for each for each part we can we can easily analyse it down later on . 2204.1 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2202.083 2202.532 2202.16 2202.44 Mm-hmm . 2202.44 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2203.408 2204.257 2203.57 2203.95 'Cause you c - EN2009d B FEE096 1 2203.648 2208.917 2203.67 2208.69 Yeah . I mean I think it's very likely that um if people are considering f mm-hmm . 2204.03 2208.69 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2204.68 2219.236 2205.04 2219.12 Mm-hmm . Uh I mean if if they are oscillating though , then that's presumably going to st change the weight . So you are actually going to see them flipping between uh when you decide they're looking there mm-hmm , if they're really close , yeah . 2205.98 2208.03 2211.57 2217.91 2218.83 2219.12 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2214.908 2218.528 2214.96 2218.41 Well , not if the regions overlap , okay . If the regions i 2215.22 2216.66 2217.4 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2216.456 2219.857 2216.61 2219.77 If they're really close to each other , it's gonna get foxed . Yeah . 2217.82 2219.3 2219.77 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2219.936 2232.841 2219.98 2232.841 Right . And if you define the regions so neatly that there's that , you know , that we're losing gaze because of jiggle outside this closely defined region when it's in the middle of space , then 2220.73 2226.67 2227.08 2232.4 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2220.21 2220.601 2220.26 2220.53 Yeah . 2220.53 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2223.896 2224.628 2224.05 2224.44 Mm-hmm . 2224.44 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2230.125 2230.782 2230.19 2230.75 H yes . 2230.75 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2234.112 2241.561 2234.13 2241.41 I mean I I actually like the solution , however ugly it it looks in terms of a data format of having a track for every possible object of gaze . 2235.93 2241.41 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2239.662 2240.476 2239.7 2240.476 Yeah , well the 2239.99 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2239.787 2288.915 2239.86 2288.84 It's not the data format I'm worried about . It's the um the way you do the analysis . Because you don't wanna have to say um , you know , did they jointly look at triangle one . Okay . Did they jointly look at square one . Okay . Did they jointly look at you know , you need some way of uh uh going over the whole thing . But i c we can find ways around that . I think for now we we do it this way and then we we think about what we need out of it in the end . It's just you know , in ELAN it that has the side effect that if you go for the naturalistic way of of up-translating to ELAN , there'll be a zillion tracks . And it'll probably ruin their viewer . 'Cause you'll get very sparse data on each track . It'll be like the old referring expression generalis uh uh visualization um the map task . You know , where they talk about one object one landmark and then another landmark . Well , it's big , right . 2241.35 2244.01 2246.99 2247.42 2248.98 2249.32 2251.2 2251.47 2252.62 2257.01 2258.7 2263.46 2264.01 2269.74 2271.4 2273.55 2275.95 2281.85 2281.98 2286.24 2287.12 2288.2 2288.84 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2251.648 2251.977 2251.67 2251.87 Mm-hmm . 2251.87 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2255.328 2257.424 2255.35 2257.37 S a thing . Mm-hmm . 2257.0 2257.37 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2258.624 2259.552 2258.65 2259.552 Well okay . So 2259.15 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2263.513 2264.004 2263.61 2263.69 Hmm . 2263.69 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2269.552 2269.84 2269.58 2269.8 Mm-hmm . 2269.8 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2275.472 2276.0 2275.55 2275.96 Uh-huh . 2275.96 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2282.8 2299.168 2282.83 2299.13 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . I always thought that was brilliant . Yeah , it is big , and you do have to scroll through it to see what's going on . But it gives you a very clear picture of what's going on . Yeah , well , okay . But so we'd we'd better do a test one and and listen to them scream . 2284.04 2284.8 2288.73 2288.94 2289.4 2291.36 2294.22 2294.73 2295.21 2295.49 2299.13 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2293.0 2294.597 2293.02 2294.48 Well we'll see if ELAN likes it or not . 2294.48 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2295.856 2296.812 2296.11 2296.68 The yeah . 2296.68 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2297.76 2307.924 2297.81 2307.83 Yeah , and we b we better also like have in the representational list of par like even in the N_X_T_ up-translation a list of parts . It it affects the way we do the N_X_T_ u up-translation and make things easier for people . 2298.06 2304.81 2307.83 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2303.744 2304.56 2303.76 2304.51 With parts . 2304.51 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2304.849 2305.309 2304.93 2305.25 Yeah . 2305.25 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2306.08 2307.546 2306.16 2307.546 Right . So I mean so 2306.39 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2306.595 2338.138 2306.65 2338.0 Yeah . Well the the the the doesn't really list part in the in the G_D_F_ . Um so yeah . That that that's not a problem . There so that bas basically what I've got is well there there there's places where you got the I_D_ though . So you've the an I_D_ for a part , you got an I_D_ for a location on the screen . So it shows you the target , config the clock , whatever else . Um and then we can easy add I_D_s for the two mouse points and the two gazes . Um and from that and ba basically all all the all the tracks are doing is saying at this between this time there's a look at this o this object . Yeah , th this I_D_ . Um so uh so it's effectively a track for each I_D_ . 2306.87 2309.17 2310.77 2311.65 2315.45 2317.69 2319.43 2320.32 2321.11 2322.05 2325.95 2333.22 2333.39 2334.69 2338.0 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2317.558 2318.049 2317.6 2317.91 Mm-hmm . 2317.91 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2338.552 2349.568 2338.66 2349.568 Okay . So what about the point where a part becomes the construct ? Do you still identify it as a part ? I mean I think one should lose that I take it . 'Cause 2338.94 2343.52 2345.37 2349.31 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2343.386 2346.538 2343.386 2346.538 The th yeah the but but - EN2009d D MEE095 3 2347.728 2356.767 2347.77 2356.72 Well wha wha what happen what happens there is that the the two the the existing parts basically cease to exist and a new part with a new I_D_ starts existing at the point where they're joined . 2356.72 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2350.592 2350.864 2350.62 2350.8 Mm-hmm . 2350.8 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2352.048 2352.352 2352.09 2352.3 Mm-hmm . 2352.3 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2353.449 2353.906 2353.55 2353.81 Right . 2353.81 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2354.375 2355.2 2354.46 2354.83 Mm-hmm . 2354.83 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2356.512 2389.792 2356.54 2389.76 So you cha so every time a part is added to the construct , it becomes a new part . So the construct actually um has say it has six things that are added to some initial thing , okay . So if there's just the initial thing you've put it in the middle of the screen , that's just the initial object , right . Soon as you put a part , there's a construct . But it's construct one . Because when you add another part , construct one ceases to exist and you get construct two , right . So actually defining all of those as the construct is gonna be the trickiest thing . 2360.1 2361.53 2369.19 2370.01 2373.37 2374.95 2375.36 2376.5 2377.25 2378.28 2379.83 2383.78 2384.2 2389.76 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2374.867 2375.258 2374.9 2375.2 Yep . 2375.2 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2381.441 2381.889 2381.49 2381.81 Mm-hmm . 2381.81 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2383.04 2383.762 2383.07 2383.762 Yeah . 2383.6 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2390.512 2400.68 2390.55 2400.57 Uh i it's also going to be a problem uh because you're going to have one part or a construct forming in the middle of a fixation . 2400.57 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2392.449 2392.84 2392.47 2392.84 Well the - EN2009d D MEE095 3 2402.224 2402.635 2402.26 2402.52 Right . 2402.52 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2402.934 2414.711 2402.97 2414.6 So it's not gonna be quite as clear if you can't can't chop it off . Uh-huh . And then it yes . And it becomes construct or assembly whatever two . 2407.28 2407.49 2410.61 2414.6 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2404.831 2413.761 2404.87 2413.761 Right . So you're you're looking at triangle one , right , and all of a sudden it ceases to exist . 2405.11 2406.88 2407.49 2413.47 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2407.87 2421.183 2407.97 2420.93 And it suddenly becomes and there could be more than one construct at a time , right . It's there is no the construct , right . 2417.82 2418.02 2420.46 2420.93 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2414.395 2416.058 2414.5 2415.9 Yeah . Oh . 2415.47 2415.9 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2418.128 2424.856 2418.19 2424.78 'Cause you can build sub-assemblies . And then you can start again . Also when you when you screw it up , you g start again . 2420.35 2421.54 2423.62 2424.78 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2420.108 2425.12 2420.21 2425.06 No . You can build sub sub-assemblies and then link the the part really , yeah . 2421.11 2424.76 2425.06 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2424.758 2425.224 2424.81 2425.02 Yeah . 2425.02 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2425.312 2429.118 2425.33 2428.85 What why does it why does construct one become construct two when you add something to it ? 2428.85 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2428.944 2430.948 2429.06 2430.948 Because the definition - EN2009d D MEE095 3 2429.81 2436.671 2429.96 2436.671 Yeah , that that that that's what that's what that's the way he's working the moment . Because it uh th it's it's generating a new I_D_ when you c when you create a new part . Um 2430.12 2432.14 2436.02 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2434.134 2435.165 2434.24 2435.165 I so each - EN2009d A FEE083 0 2435.436 2444.965 2435.51 2444.93 Yeah . Oh , and this is because we don't want it to stay triangle one when you start with a construct it's not a construct at all , it's just a one thing . And we don't want triangle one to suddenly have bigger stuff . 2436.37 2436.49 2440.44 2441.11 2444.93 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2441.392 2441.774 2441.43 2441.61 Mm-hmm . 2441.61 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2443.646 2453.943 2443.71 2453.8 Well , the problem is that all of these things are popping out of existence . So do we know the difference between um we broke it and it went away and um it's now part of the construct ? 2443.96 2446.76 2453.8 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2443.712 2444.352 2443.78 2444.352 Yeah . 2444.23 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2454.096 2463.581 2454.37 2463.581 Um yeah . But there there's there's joint events . So if the if a joint event if if if it's there's joint event linked to linked to the item then you know it's become part of a construct . Um of um 2455.08 2456.42 2462.15 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2463.888 2466.593 2463.91 2466.5 Can we ta can we tag the constructs with what's in them ? 2466.5 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2467.408 2478.149 2467.43 2477.84 Yeah , the the the yeah . The con the con the constructs are already tagged with that . So that I'm act there's actually a s a separate file of the data format which says for each construct , which which two parts made it made that came together to make that construct . 2467.65 2468.24 2469.7 2473.66 2477.84 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2467.702 2469.132 2467.76 2469.01 Yeah yeah , there are . There are . 2468.17 2468.66 2469.01 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2467.727 2468.816 2467.89 2468.816 Wai w I th uh - EN2009d B FEE096 1 2468.273 2468.78 2468.35 2468.65 Yeah . 2468.65 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2474.407 2476.08 2474.5 2475.81 Which constituent parts . 2475.81 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2475.974 2486.64 2476.02 2486.64 Okay . So we could we could essentially well , then we could cumulati or it is a new construct 'cause it has a new list of a new cumulative list of parts , right . But we will 2476.55 2479.76 2485.63 2486.11 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2485.259 2490.459 2485.37 2490.35 Yeah . But you can still ta you can still track what parts went into it . So you can still find triangle one , whatever . 2485.8 2488.42 2489.91 2490.35 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2487.984 2488.762 2488.01 2488.762 Right . So 2488.33 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2490.408 2503.504 2490.46 2503.44 So some fancy programming's gonna have to be done to say I was looking at triangle one and now I'm looking at triangle one in construct one . 'Cause the first construct was triangle one and square one , okay . 2499.03 2503.13 2503.44 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2499.097 2499.484 2499.17 2499.39 Yeah . 2499.39 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2502.434 2509.187 2502.5 2509.12 Yeah . But but that's easy n uh it's easy to do because the the co each construct has the I_D_s for the pa the things that construct it . 2502.83 2509.12 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2507.727 2512.4 2507.83 2512.4 Alright . So now we have to ask whether um 2509.23 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2515.078 2525.152 2515.25 2525.12 So l let's imagine this , we've made a construct of two parts , and we're c i a triangle and a square . And we're considering now adding something on to the side of the square that isn't attached to the triangle . 2516.31 2518.2 2520.48 2525.12 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2526.448 2526.9 2526.48 2526.73 Mm-hmm . 2526.73 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2526.704 2527.216 2526.72 2527.12 Okay . 2527.12 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2528.8 2532.016 2528.82 2531.96 Are we looking at the square or we looking at the construct ? 2531.96 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2533.04 2535.434 2533.1 2535.32 Yeah . That was the next question I had . Yeah . 2533.35 2534.99 2535.32 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2533.116 2533.806 2533.22 2533.73 Construct . 2533.73 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2534.224 2534.663 2534.29 2534.58 Yeah . 2534.58 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2536.528 2539.664 2536.97 2539.61 You'll be looking at the construct . 'Cause that's the way it's dis defined . 2538.27 2539.61 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2538.624 2544.042 2538.64 2543.98 Uh in this definit should be looking at the construct . There isn't a way to figure out that you're looking at the square rather than the triangle . 2540.95 2543.98 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2540.816 2541.689 2540.84 2541.6 Yeah . Yeah . 2541.3 2541.6 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2544.16 2563.856 2544.16 2563.78 Well we'll d yeah well with the yeah d well thing is that we we still have the X_ wa the X_ wave traces from the ASCII formats . So if if you want if you want to be able to say I'm looking at a square instead of I'm looking at the construct , that's it is possible to get that data out . Um it's it's yeah . It's it's not doing it's not doing it in the gest analyzer at the moment . But I can easily add it to give that information if you want . 2551.03 2555.61 2557.9 2558.96 2561.26 2563.78 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2544.471 2545.818 2544.55 2545.72 Looking at areas within it . 2545.72 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2554.464 2554.896 2554.54 2554.74 Mm-hmm . 2554.74 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2557.936 2558.496 2557.96 2558.4 It is . 2558.4 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2558.564 2559.113 2558.63 2559.04 Oh yeah . 2559.04 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2561.448 2561.857 2561.5 2561.857 Well - EN2009d B FEE096 1 2563.545 2608.035 2563.58 2607.88 Okay , because I mean that's that's the example m f presumably that's the best example of overlapping overlapping areas . 'Cause if if the thing the two s the two things are now abutted . Of course there's an area which is common to both of them , okay . Um so what I'm trying to run through in my head is that we can always tell the difference between um something going out of existence 'cause it's joined to construct something going out of existence 'cause we threw it away , right . Suppose we pick up an we we we screwed up the first time we put the triangle with the square and we threw it away and decided we didn't like it , and we took another one . Is it triangle one ? Is it triangle one prime or something like that ? It's the replacement for triangle one . 2563.84 2570.78 2573.46 2576.89 2577.95 2591.06 2591.32 2600.54 2602.72 2603.95 2606.43 2607.88 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2574.725 2576.402 2574.75 2576.27 Mm-hmm . That'll cover most of 'em . 2575.33 2576.27 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2591.57 2592.012 2591.65 2591.89 Mm-hmm . 2591.89 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2598.822 2599.271 2598.94 2599.21 Hmm . 2599.21 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2607.124 2609.261 2607.18 2609.22 I yeah . It's triangle two . 2608.05 2609.22 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2607.682 2613.421 2607.76 2613.421 Yeah , if if you take it if you t if you crea if you create a new part , it uh it gets a new I_D_ . So if you get if you drag a new part out of the parts bin 2607.92 2609.98 2611.56 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2609.184 2609.456 2609.22 2609.39 Mm-hmm . 2609.39 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2612.496 2614.384 2612.52 2614.34 Well how do I know what it replaces ? 2614.34 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2615.184 2616.054 2615.35 2616.054 Uh - EN2009d A FEE083 0 2615.398 2622.659 2615.48 2622.59 You don't because that's you'd have to have human coding to do that . Yeah , there might be multiple triangles that you've broke and you won't know which one they're planning on using it for . 2618.78 2618.96 2622.59 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2618.776 2619.857 2618.82 2619.59 Yeah , I mean the we e 2618.97 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2618.88 2619.57 2618.97 2619.57 Uh w - EN2009d B FEE096 1 2619.101 2619.633 2619.18 2619.55 N n - EN2009d B FEE096 1 2622.494 2631.616 2622.54 2631.55 Uh this is true . But if I have triangles one two three , right , and I throw them away , any triangles I take out are to replace one two three . 2623.32 2625.49 2626.2 2628.53 2631.55 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2631.696 2638.657 2631.72 2638.57 Well you know which mold they come from . And so you know which shape they match . But you can't possibly know which one of the ones they're meant to replace . 2633.81 2635.96 2638.57 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2634.32 2634.72 2634.34 2634.64 Okay . 2634.64 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2639.136 2640.894 2639.16 2640.894 Yeah , I mean you know whi you know which way they match . So you can 2639.26 2640.43 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2639.296 2646.666 2639.32 2646.61 Except that ex no , you don't know which one they're meant to replace . But you know they're not meant to replace any that are all that are that haven't been thrown away . Okay . 2640.54 2642.17 2646.25 2646.61 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2645.792 2652.72 2645.82 2652.66 They can't replace uh the new parts only appear when the previous one's broken . 2652.66 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2654.272 2662.841 2654.31 2662.71 Right . So the new parts are replacing those which have disappeared from the screen . And if there's no more T_R_ one track the T_R_ one track is gone now . 2654.6 2658.94 2662.71 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2658.42 2662.112 2658.44 2662.0 Yes . They ca they can appear without them . You c 2659.4 2661.77 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2662.153 2664.288 2662.26 2664.11 Oh , so there's no two parts with the same shape ? 2662.4 2664.11 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2662.587 2663.244 2662.67 2663.244 Yeah , the 2662.89 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2664.672 2665.408 2664.77 2665.37 Oh there are many . 2665.37 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2664.898 2669.712 2664.898 2669.26 Uh with same shape but not the same shape and colour . Uh same eye . Yeah . Yep . 2667.95 2668.8 2669.08 2669.26 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2665.753 2666.185 2665.77 2666.185 Then - EN2009d B FEE096 1 2667.312 2668.473 2667.33 2668.42 Same identity . 2668.42 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2667.973 2669.703 2668.04 2669.62 Oh same shape and colour . Right okay . 2669.02 2669.62 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2669.648 2673.169 2669.71 2673.169 Oh , is that true ? You've decided not to make all the triangles red and squares green and 2669.82 2670.35 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2671.467 2675.889 2671.55 2675.889 Well that's well that's that's what they're at the moment . Uh 2675.43 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2674.288 2674.88 2674.35 2674.81 Oh , okay . 2674.4 2674.81 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2674.73 2679.17 2674.8 2679.09 Oh okay . So you can tell what it's meant to replace then . Because it's the same it's uh just a case of the mold , right ? 2675.14 2676.6 2678.87 2679.09 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2676.224 2678.784 2676.24 2678.784 Right . One two and three . they 2677.57 2678.55 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2679.883 2685.604 2679.94 2685.52 Yes . So that's the way it works at the moment . Uh I just assume that's how ni Nijmegen had set it all up . 2680.41 2682.04 2685.52 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2687.008 2688.128 2687.16 2688.128 Okay . So 2687.52 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2687.363 2699.392 2687.52 2699.34 Th that's that's back to uh Tim's day . They are individual uh you have different colours for the yep . Unique , yeah . 2694.67 2698.79 2699.2 2699.34 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2689.326 2689.983 2689.39 2689.983 So there - EN2009d A FEE083 0 2690.368 2691.158 2690.368 2691.01 yep . 2691.01 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2692.003 2693.568 2692.08 2693.53 So shape plus colour . 2693.53 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2694.704 2695.184 2694.78 2695.1 Okay . 2695.1 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2697.584 2704.954 2697.6 2704.89 They're unique . All the parts are unique . So wai hang on . That makes the task a little bit easier , right . 2699.36 2701.32 2702.07 2704.52 2704.89 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2698.884 2699.145 2698.92 2699.04 Yep . 2699.04 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2703.984 2704.528 2704.05 2704.48 Yes . 2704.48 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2706.048 2709.428 2706.07 2709.428 The tam tamgrams are much easier when you can see - EN2009d B FEE096 1 2709.776 2714.112 2709.8 2714.112 The uh all the lines . So 2712.86 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2710.785 2711.307 2710.83 2711.27 Mm-hmm . 2711.27 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2711.54 2711.922 2711.64 2711.88 Yep . 2711.88 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2713.361 2715.713 2713.48 2715.65 It is just a construction task rather than a puzzle . 2715.65 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2717.04 2722.766 2717.06 2722.72 Indeed . Which kind of leaves you with an obvious way of making the same task harder and easier , doesn't it ? 2718.71 2722.21 2722.72 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2723.334 2723.7 2723.42 2723.64 Yep . 2723.64 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2723.824 2725.607 2723.84 2725.607 Yeah . But the this also 2724.25 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2724.688 2746.593 2724.74 2746.593 But but that's hard to code . I mean that's really a thing we might do . Okay . So now let's make sure that the coding would survive that . It's just it's a beautifully controlled situation . The construction task is essentially the same . It's the figuring out stuff that gets harder if everything is purple . For a just to choose a colour at random here . 2726.29 2728.36 2728.91 2731.89 2734.37 2736.25 2741.11 2746.49 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2734.424 2734.84 2734.51 2734.76 Mm-hmm . 2734.76 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2740.902 2741.384 2741.03 2741.34 Mm-hmm . 2741.34 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2741.173 2741.62 2741.26 2741.55 Yeah . 2741.55 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2743.264 2744.345 2743.35 2744.25 Mm-hmm . Yeah . 2744.07 2744.25 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2743.481 2750.176 2743.57 2750.176 Yeah . So yeah . Yeah , so I think that anything's loading . There's there's then two triangle , isn't there ? There's two identical triangles in the tamgram . Um 2743.74 2744.56 2744.69 2745.82 2747.0 2747.42 2749.53 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2749.488 2776.608 2749.51 2776.5 Uh yes . It at the moment there are d uh there are two I think two small ones and two large triangles . They're actually the same physical size and shape . At the moment they're in different colours . That also means in the p new parts list they're there for , you know , two v large triangles and two small one small ones , say . Whereas in in the revised edition if they were all just black there'd only be one uh mold in the new parts . 2749.99 2755.47 2758.9 2760.69 2765.19 2765.53 2768.36 2768.81 2776.5 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2757.952 2758.426 2758.02 2758.26 Mm-hmm . 2758.26 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2773.568 2774.128 2773.76 2774.09 Mm-hmm . 2774.09 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2775.01 2785.102 2775.05 2785.03 Yeah . We in when you specify these things , do you specify the molds or does it figure out what the molds are based on ? So is this hard-wired into Tim's program ? Or is it just an artifact of the way we s 2776.5 2778.4 2781.75 2783.36 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2775.504 2775.84 2775.52 2775.81 Mm-hmm . 2775.81 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2784.144 2788.098 2784.18 2788.098 As far as I know it's hard-wired . It just appears so . 2786.06 2787.92 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2786.125 2802.608 2786.17 2802.52 Well yeah yeah . When you when you specify the molds in the in the in the p the file that c that generates the parts , like a list of parts , the molds are bas just taken out of the the file that generate that specifies the parts . So so ho however many part however many mo however many parts there are in the file , that's how many parts appear in the in the parts box . 2786.95 2791.04 2792.04 2796.7 2800.26 2802.52 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2796.176 2796.976 2796.2 2796.83 Right . Okay . 2796.53 2796.83 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2796.464 2800.365 2796.68 2800.27 Mm-hmm . The polygon one , polygon two , whatever it might be . 2797.38 2798.74 2799.55 2800.27 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2798.256 2798.996 2798.31 2798.86 So it's hard-wired . 2798.86 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2802.544 2806.736 2802.57 2806.69 So if you have five black triangles , there gonna be five black triangles in the parts box ? Or one ? 2804.34 2806.31 2806.69 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2807.579 2825.658 2807.68 2825.36 If you have five black triangles gonna be five five parts in the fi five black black triangles in the parts box . But what what what but what you can do well if in the in the initial configuration you can re-use a triangle . So if you so if you only want one black triangle , you just create one black triangle in the parts box and then re-use that pa that triangle five times in the configuration . 2812.7 2818.08 2820.0 2825.36 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2812.128 2812.643 2812.24 2812.48 Uh-huh . 2812.48 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2812.276 2814.473 2812.35 2814.473 So minor modification needed for - EN2009d B FEE096 1 2814.795 2815.168 2814.87 2815.01 Mm-hmm . 2815.01 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2816.464 2816.752 2816.49 2816.7 Mm-hmm . 2816.7 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2817.712 2818.488 2817.74 2818.23 Mm mm-hmm . 2818.23 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2820.128 2820.484 2820.15 2820.35 Mm-hmm . 2820.35 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2822.224 2822.528 2822.26 2822.48 Mm-hmm . 2822.48 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2827.094 2827.601 2827.19 2827.5 Mm-hmm . 2827.5 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2827.728 2850.208 2827.79 2850.208 Okay . As long as it this is possible . So c that that just is a kind of thing which is so simple , so much like a single one zero variable change that it if it that doesn't already exist . 'Cause I'm tr I'm trying to kinda map this onto Baufix . Um and Baufix has has multiple , you know , all the the 2828.44 2829.6 2833.83 2841.86 2844.75 2848.21 2848.58 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2829.883 2830.34 2830.0 2830.15 Yep . 2830.15 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2833.757 2839.679 2834.02 2839.49 Hmm . Yep , same same pieces . 2837.19 2837.53 2839.49 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2840.544 2842.399 2840.56 2842.27 Uh but what were the req wha - EN2009d A FEE083 0 2845.85 2847.238 2845.99 2847.1 Has multiples , yeah . 2846.79 2847.1 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2849.376 2850.221 2849.53 2850.19 Mm-hmm . 2850.19 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2851.568 2858.613 2851.59 2858.53 The the v the nuts are are red or and all the um flat things are wood colour something . 2858.53 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2854.996 2855.719 2855.04 2855.68 Mm-hmm . Mm . 2855.57 2855.68 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2857.4 2864.96 2857.48 2864.93 No , so they they can have different uh nuts there . W well nuts that are different colours . But same part in different colours , yeah . 2857.68 2861.44 2863.56 2864.78 2864.93 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2862.544 2865.41 2862.56 2865.25 The same part the same part is different colours . Oh yeah ? 2864.91 2865.25 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2865.472 2868.112 2865.49 2868.112 Yeah , uh but they don't have enough to make unique 2865.78 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2868.592 2873.559 2868.63 2873.5 No , what I mean there's more than they're multiple pieces that look the same . Mm-hmm . 2868.93 2872.22 2873.5 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2872.736 2875.015 2872.78 2875.015 Mm-hmm . So what 2874.15 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2874.4 2888.576 2874.5 2888.52 So when you say a red nut or a green bolt or a long green bolt then there'll be lots of them lying around . And I think that's how the robot is set up to there are five five green bolts . Uh here is one , you know . 2882.6 2887.45 2888.28 2888.52 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2882.763 2883.212 2882.82 2883.15 Yeah . 2883.15 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2884.561 2885.834 2884.6 2885.8 Mm-hmm . So I th 2885.34 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2886.493 2887.001 2886.53 2886.91 Mm-hmm . 2886.91 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2888.395 2908.907 2888.5 2908.81 I think we've gotten to the point where , you know , to try to summarise , uh we we think Tim's program can do both of these conditions that you want . But I'm still worried about what the uh effects are for analysis . Because you were aiming at something in um the G_D_F_ format and I wasn't quite sure what . And w 2890.1 2890.94 2892.68 2898.69 2902.32 2908.54 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2897.36 2899.376 2897.41 2899.376 Okay . Okay . So 2898.42 2898.75 EN2009d C MEE094 2 2897.856 2898.313 2897.88 2898.27 Mm-hmm . 2898.27 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2908.384 2923.696 2908.4 2923.62 Okay , so w uh all I'm I'm doing is kind of worrying out loud about all the things that will happen that we'll miss by th a simple view of for example regions and looking at at triangle one . When is triangle one not triangle one anymore . Um does it s keep its identity . 2908.66 2919.56 2921.97 2923.62 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2919.286 2939.759 2919.36 2939.72 Yeah . So so okay . So I'll summarise what we said about that part that um every time you cast off a new part from a mold or , you know , every black triangle has a different I_D_ . And you know it's a black triangle 'cause you know which mold it came from . But you don't know which part it was intended to replace on the screen , because you can't mind-read . 2919.79 2922.77 2928.28 2928.48 2931.21 2935.18 2938.65 2939.72 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2926.608 2926.889 2926.64 2926.8 Mm . 2926.8 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2930.144 2931.168 2930.2 2931.06 Identity , yes . 2930.75 2931.06 EN2009d D MEE095 3 2935.105 2935.471 2935.2 2935.36 Yep . 2935.36 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2935.52 2935.905 2935.54 2935.78 Mm-hmm . 2935.78 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2939.664 2946.345 2939.68 2946.09 That's true . So how can we define the shapes that people build ? 2942.92 2946.09 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2948.224 2949.328 2948.24 2949.29 What do you mean define ? 2949.29 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2949.454 2949.967 2949.54 2949.967 Well - EN2009d B FEE096 1 2953.617 2959.714 2953.67 2959.66 If assuming I was for a moment I was J_P_ and I wanted to know how they actually went about building the thing . 2959.66 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2961.52 2976.416 2961.55 2976.37 Okay . And I wanted to um to look at the strategy . And I wanted to see if the strategy was different when we could talk about it and when we just picked up whatever . I mean suppose I can't talk to you and I'm doing this task with you and I can't talk to you . Um 2962.29 2966.71 2971.8 2975.98 EN2009d A FEE083 0 2972.294 2972.776 2972.35 2972.69 Mm-hmm . 2972.69 EN2009d B FEE096 1 2977.631 3004.896 2977.65 3004.84 the thing which is gonna be hardest for me is making elaborate plans with you . I can reach for the next thing and you can go where I reach . But if I have some , you know , sub-goal , some long-term sub-goal , of doing something clever with putting these together 'cause it's hard and then putting these together 'cause it's hard , there it's gonna be almost impossible to convey that to you . And the difference in the history of construction , right , is an important thing , and I wonder how we can get that information back . 2981.7 2984.32 2985.18 2985.59 2986.29 2988.12 2993.31 2996.21 3000.65 3001.36 3002.68 3004.84 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3000.448 3000.935 3000.48 3000.84 Mm . 3000.84 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3004.833 3015.288 3004.89 3015.25 I think that this is a human coding that is part of the action coding . Because I don't see how anybody but a person watching this can guess why they cast off this thing at this time . 3009.49 3015.25 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3008.064 3009.536 3008.1 3009.45 Do you think ? 3009.45 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3015.488 3041.968 3015.51 3041.91 No , it why is not uh that's that's not the question I'm asking . The question I'm asking is what's the history of the construct ? So you have the n the names of the things in there . And you have two constructs suppose we have two sub-constructs . And whichever one had two pieces put together first is the earlier numbered of those constructs , right . How do you tell the difference between adding a piece to this first construct and creating a second construct ? 3015.76 3018.66 3022.58 3024.95 3029.06 3035.0 3035.57 3041.91 EN2009d D MEE095 3 3034.688 3034.978 3034.71 3034.87 Yep . 3034.87 EN2009d D MEE095 3 3042.596 3053.197 3043.11 3053.197 Well when the when the f when the final construct the the way the the way the the constructs are defined in the file , you've got like your p your parent construct and the parts that it's constructed out of . Um and yeah , as I say , the 3047.87 3051.6 3052.49 3052.79 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3047.792 3048.131 3047.82 3047.99 Mm . 3047.99 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3050.976 3051.59 3051.04 3051.46 Okay . 3051.46 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3053.024 3054.928 3053.04 3054.88 It's it's it's parent child relationship . 3054.88 EN2009d D MEE095 3 3054.876 3059.168 3054.95 3059.07 Yeah , yeah . So you got parent child relationship and i the child can be a part or it can be another construct . 3055.31 3055.47 3059.07 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3058.63 3080.464 3058.67 3080.42 Okay . So construct two could b um construct one is um a red triangle and a green square . Construct two is um two green squares , okay . Construct three , right , is a red triangle , a green square and another red triangle . Construct four okay . 3059.08 3065.65 3070.45 3070.85 3073.25 3073.92 3074.98 3077.85 3080.42 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3079.272 3083.739 3079.32 3083.739 Yeah , but that's okay 'cause they all have different underlying part numbers . And when you say what a construct 3079.52 3082.26 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3082.48 3095.382 3082.59 3095.25 Okay . And you can so how are we gonna tell when for example you think we're gonna have to do human coding on when two sub-constructs are put together . No , that's a definition wherein a construct has a c has constructs as children ? 3083.29 3091.62 3091.88 3095.25 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3091.675 3093.122 3091.75 3093.04 No . No , no . 3092.47 3092.64 3093.04 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3095.312 3095.737 3095.38 3095.7 Yes . 3095.7 EN2009d D MEE095 3 3095.456 3111.42 3095.8 3111.21 Yeah , yeah . 'Cause uh there's a joint action . The result the t what you need for a join action you need to yeah , a construct and a part , two parts , whate whatever you're taking together . And then the result of that is a construct . You've got time when that happens . You can see that construct appeared at that time . Um and you can still track the children of that construct . 3096.09 3096.29 3097.46 3100.39 3101.31 3102.02 3103.23 3104.8 3106.11 3108.59 3111.21 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3095.89 3096.531 3095.94 3096.39 Yes . 3096.39 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3096.864 3097.28 3096.89 3097.21 Okay . 3097.21 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3102.171 3102.795 3102.3 3102.56 Mm-hmm . 3102.56 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3102.384 3102.848 3102.4 3102.78 Okay . 3102.78 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3108.256 3108.617 3108.28 3108.52 Right . 3108.52 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3109.774 3130.976 3109.84 3130.91 So we could zip we could zip through this and look at all the um all the interactions in which people build sub-construct contstructs first which we expect them to do bu as a wild hypothesis more when they have verbal communication than when they don't , okay . And we can do that by simply searching for any constructs that have constructs as children . 3125.83 3126.55 3130.91 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3125.504 3125.849 3125.54 3125.73 Mm-hmm . 3125.73 EN2009d D MEE095 3 3131.167 3131.55 3131.24 3131.47 Yep . 3131.47 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3131.595 3146.24 3131.64 3146.11 Yeah . So we can easily look at things like that automatically . It's just the why they g why they get new parts that's the problem for us . We can't if they suddenly if they decide to get a part of a mold we don't know we can't know why until they do something with it , if they do . 3132.16 3134.98 3138.58 3145.5 3146.11 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3132.918 3133.401 3132.96 3133.31 Okay . 3133.31 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3133.118 3133.626 3133.2 3133.58 Mm-hmm . 3133.58 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3139.232 3139.552 3139.27 3139.49 Mm-hmm . 3139.49 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3145.632 3150.067 3145.68 3149.98 Yeah , we haven't actually made a rule that you can't uh collect extra parts , right ? 3145.85 3149.58 3149.98 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3150.24 3161.583 3150.31 3161.583 And the extra parts don't appear . So you can't collect them . Yeah . There there are a couple of them that it's like greyed out . They really very faint . So you see the mold is there . But they don't come filled uh until 3152.05 3154.38 3154.85 3156.63 3157.53 3159.04 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3153.233 3155.348 3153.27 3155.348 Oh yeah , you said that . Um 3153.62 3154.78 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3157.003 3157.81 3157.06 3157.81 Yeah , but you can 3157.26 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3160.643 3163.888 3160.72 3163.82 No no . I mean you have to b you have to break one to get one , okay . 3160.98 3163.47 3163.82 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3161.47 3171.235 3161.5 3171.1 But you can break you you can but you can break one when you break one , you don't cast off the mold yourself , it happens automatically ? Oh okay , never mind then . 3166.35 3167.98 3169.79 3170.48 3171.1 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3163.016 3163.59 3163.06 3163.48 Yes . 3163.48 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3169.283 3177.651 3169.35 3177.61 Yes . I i it appears in the new p uh like uh suddenly the th th the new part lights up sort of thing and it's there . 3170.13 3177.61 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3173.104 3174.752 3173.12 3174.62 So they just have to use it , yeah . 3174.36 3174.62 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3176.954 3181.678 3177.05 3181.62 Uh-huh . Oh , but they have to drag it up past the mold line . Yeah . 3178.38 3178.5 3181.24 3181.62 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3180.688 3182.616 3180.74 3182.57 Yes . They have to bring it into play . 3181.26 3182.57 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3182.96 3183.416 3183.0 3183.3 Mm-hmm . 3183.3 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3184.08 3188.764 3184.13 3188.68 And you can't just bring extras in case you screw up . You have to screw up first and then you can bring an extra . 3186.59 3188.68 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3185.832 3207.681 3185.94 3207.62 No . Nope . That yeah . That that is one think unlike the say the Baufix or anything . We I assume the the Baufix . The there aren't any extra parts . And at the moment the software doesn't a allow for that . Yes . Replacement , but no superfluous so you can't have a a standard stock with extra parts that it'll never use . 3186.67 3187.18 3188.32 3191.37 3192.94 3194.73 3199.61 3201.06 3201.73 3207.62 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3191.024 3194.832 3191.05 3194.8 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Mm . Mm-hmm . 3192.32 3193.45 3194.42 3194.8 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3191.798 3193.145 3191.82 3193.09 Yeah , where there's extra parts . 3192.13 3193.09 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3197.328 3202.096 3197.48 3202.096 I but it does have replacement . 3201.85 EN2009d D MEE095 3 3200.004 3200.303 3200.06 3200.23 Yeah . 3200.23 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3203.516 3203.815 3203.58 3203.74 Mm-hmm . 3203.74 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3204.42 3205.119 3204.49 3205.02 Yeah . 3205.02 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3205.952 3211.392 3206.04 3211.36 Mm-hmm . There there's a so you so so you appreciate you appreciate the cost of 3207.38 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3207.223 3209.808 3207.28 3209.808 Okay . So this why question doesn't even arise because 3207.6 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3209.12 3209.718 3209.21 3209.62 Mm-hmm . 3209.62 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3211.2 3211.977 3211.22 3211.94 Mm-hmm . 3211.94 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3212.146 3219.738 3212.23 3219.738 'Cause you know what they're gonna do with it . When they decide to move it past the mold line , they're p doing something with it probably and you'll know what they're gonna do with it because 3213.53 3215.52 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3212.635 3213.104 3212.66 3213.07 screwing up . 3213.07 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3217.65 3217.968 3217.71 3217.93 Yeah . 3217.93 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3218.117 3218.466 3218.19 3218.4 Mm-hmm . 3218.4 EN2009d D MEE095 3 3220.463 3226.678 3220.58 3226.678 Yeah , well by by the by the time by the time they're doing that they must have already broken something . So you'll so you'll know what they're replacing . So 3220.75 3224.37 3226.35 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3220.92 3221.516 3220.94 3221.45 Mm-hmm . 3221.45 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3221.041 3221.432 3221.041 3221.041 . 3221.041 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3221.301 3221.784 3221.34 3221.69 They do it . 3221.69 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3224.288 3233.968 3224.31 3233.91 Mm-hmm , that's right . Right . Okay . So they rejected something or they broke something inadvertantly . Okay . Is there a way of 3224.91 3226.61 3227.52 3227.78 3231.48 3232.08 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3224.426 3224.858 3224.45 3224.69 Yeah . 3224.69 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3224.604 3225.203 3224.73 3225.11 Yeah . 3225.11 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3226.646 3227.286 3226.73 3227.19 Mm-hmm . 3227.19 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3235.456 3239.12 3235.48 3238.97 telling the difference between intentional and unintentional breakages ? 3238.97 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3240.803 3251.129 3240.803 3251.129 Intentional um in the sense that they break deliberately when they bring them into the new parts . But they c you know , it's like the trash can idea that they bring a 3248.22 3248.95 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3240.8 3241.686 3240.82 3241.58 How would you do that ? 3241.58 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3246.448 3246.96 3246.47 3246.91 Bec yeah . 3246.91 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3249.659 3254.009 3249.75 3253.84 No , you p they both put they both put their hands on a construct because they don't like it . 3249.94 3253.84 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3254.976 3259.815 3255.0 3259.77 Yeah , but there's there'd be no way of coding that automatically , right . How could you possibly do that ? 3255.19 3258.26 3258.78 3259.77 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3255.042 3255.266 3255.042 3255.266 . 3255.266 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3259.808 3272.097 3259.83 3272.06 You have to hope that there's language and one of them says something . You c mm-hmm . Uh there's no there's there's no way you could tell that just from the the raw movements or or something . 3263.08 3264.91 3272.06 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3262.688 3263.104 3262.71 3263.05 Mm-hmm . 3263.05 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3262.806 3264.788 3262.87 3264.75 But that's a human coding , right . 3264.35 3264.75 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3264.384 3266.032 3264.4 3265.89 Yep . So that just has to be coded . 3264.65 3265.89 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3267.44 3267.728 3267.46 3267.69 Mm-hmm . 3267.69 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3269.296 3269.677 3269.33 3269.57 Mm-hmm . 3269.57 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3272.384 3278.011 3272.41 3277.98 Um not generically . Because they'll if they're gonna do it by gesture they'll build up a convention , right . 3274.14 3277.6 3277.98 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3272.439 3273.196 3272.55 3273.11 So w - EN2009d C MEE094 2 3273.602 3274.051 3273.7 3273.96 Mm yep . 3273.96 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3278.326 3292.233 3278.4 3292.233 So uh that's gonna particularly be a problem for J_P_ , right . Remember m all the things we're looking at are f with language with and without language . And it's gonna be very difficult to tell whether they broke something intentionally without the language . Which means it's probably not 3282.36 3282.74 3286.98 3290.7 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3280.106 3281.525 3280.28 3281.38 What else do we need to know ? 3281.38 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3291.104 3297.584 3291.12 3297.5 Unless they develop a convention . Suppose they start off with language and then they they say hey look , you know , let's do it like this . 3292.79 3296.04 3296.69 3297.5 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3295.667 3304.555 3295.72 3304.555 Yeah , okay . But th um this is properly part of the action coding . So we should well we should make a wish list , right , as a side effect . 3296.39 3296.86 3299.79 3302.58 3303.36 3304.14 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3296.255 3297.411 3296.255 3297.32 Yeah . 3297.32 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3298.044 3298.268 3298.09 3298.268 It - EN2009d C MEE094 2 3298.64 3298.864 3298.66 3298.83 I - EN2009d B FEE096 1 3299.328 3305.278 3299.4 3305.278 Sure . Absolutely . I just I just wanna make sure that a wish list , yes . Yes . 3299.81 3300.26 3303.37 3304.21 3305.2 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3301.499 3301.989 3301.56 3301.989 Although - EN2009d C MEE094 2 3304.975 3314.761 3305.0 3314.62 What I'm trying to remember is if the people deliberately break things by moving two pieces together . They they don't both break . 3312.82 3314.62 EN2009d D MEE095 3 3315.605 3323.939 3315.67 3323.89 Uh they do . If if if what if one if one person's trying to get a part to a part that isn't that that so the part that's just sitting on the screen that's not being touched . They both break . 3317.0 3323.1 3323.89 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3316.944 3317.859 3316.97 3317.859 They both they both - EN2009d C MEE094 2 3324.032 3330.751 3324.06 3330.72 Mm-hmm . So the i intentional thing is when they actually both click on the same object and it breaks . 3325.36 3330.72 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3330.864 3336.394 3330.9 3336.26 For sure you know that's and l or well n is not necessarily intentional . They could just screw up . Yep . 3334.77 3336.08 3336.26 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3333.607 3337.059 3333.68 3337.01 No , they could just make a mistake or screw up , yeah . 3334.1 3336.65 3337.01 EN2009d D MEE095 3 3334.701 3335.075 3334.72 3335.0 Yeah . 3335.0 EN2009d D MEE095 3 3336.638 3336.987 3336.69 3336.92 Yeah . 3336.92 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3336.69 3342.123 3336.82 3342.01 Mm . they could discuss deciding to break something and and then one guy does it . Yeah , yeah . 3336.99 3341.51 3341.72 3342.01 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3338.848 3346.746 3338.88 3346.61 Mm-hmm . Or I don't think that's very good , no , we'll never get away with that , we'll get a bad score . Let's just throw that away and start again , yeah . 3340.12 3341.63 3341.84 3343.09 3344.51 3346.36 3346.61 EN2009d D MEE095 3 3339.306 3339.714 3339.41 3339.63 Yeah . 3339.63 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3339.421 3342.389 3339.49 3342.29 Y yeah . But that's bringing in the the language thing again . 3340.17 3342.29 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3344.326 3344.95 3344.37 3344.92 Mm-hmm . 3344.92 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3344.541 3345.123 3344.62 3345.0 Mm-hmm . 3345.0 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3346.372 3346.929 3346.43 3346.77 Mm-hmm . 3346.77 EN2009d D MEE095 3 3347.29 3347.664 3347.42 3347.55 Yeah . 3347.55 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3349.296 3349.802 3349.34 3349.67 Okay . 3349.67 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3351.238 3354.56 3351.26 3354.5 Which reminds we have fixed the score problem . Have we ? 3354.12 3354.5 EN2009d D MEE095 3 3355.904 3359.486 3355.97 3359.42 Uh well yeah . 'Cause yeah . C 'cause it was through the rotational part . Yeah . 3356.55 3357.04 3359.16 3359.42 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3358.008 3365.595 3358.06 3365.53 Oh uh yes . At the the percentage score . Yeah . So our yes , rather than the number of penalties or or something . No , the the score w uh is fine . 3358.74 3360.15 3360.33 3361.07 3363.45 3363.62 3365.53 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3358.948 3359.446 3359.04 3359.35 Right . 3359.35 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3364.992 3367.812 3365.01 3367.73 Was the percentage overlap and that made the score ? 3367.73 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3369.072 3378.24 3369.09 3378.2 Yeah ? That's when I left . Oh yeah , well do you know which which which which one was the top right . Yeah . Mm-hmm . 3370.24 3373.2 3373.64 3376.9 3378.03 3378.2 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3369.021 3385.782 3369.09 3385.782 Uh ye that's that's the way it's worked out . But uh uh the problem was um to do with the m the p they had a relative and absolute piece and uh it's all to s to the symmetry of that . So as long as it's defined , fine . Yes . It wasn't it wasn't a bug . It it it was a 3371.16 3380.63 3381.63 3382.12 3382.55 3384.17 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3380.468 3383.232 3380.53 3383.15 But that's all been fixed . That's that's that's back . 3381.74 3383.15 EN2009d D MEE095 3 3382.231 3382.572 3382.32 3382.49 Yep . 3382.49 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3385.536 3388.835 3385.64 3388.835 Don't tell me it was a feature . 3388.77 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3387.056 3410.384 3387.21 3410.3 Uh well . Uh yes , it was something that had to be defined and the uh Dutch lot didn't . So that was it was actually their their fault . But um it's not clear enough in the documentation . Yeah . Yeah . But i it it is quite fundamental and uh causes quite immediate problems if you don't know about it . Yep , exactly . 3387.79 3390.56 3395.71 3398.35 3401.99 3402.48 3402.83 3409.1 3409.56 3410.3 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3387.416 3392.217 3387.54 3392.217 No , no . It was them just dr uh forgetting to um define an attribute they had to 3387.99 3388.23 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3391.341 3391.84 3391.39 3391.68 Alright . 3391.68 EN2009d D MEE095 3 3395.552 3397.556 3395.67 3397.556 Yeah . Yeah , I mean I'm 3396.84 3396.96 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3395.664 3397.744 3395.69 3397.744 Oh okay . Oh . So 3396.91 3397.15 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3396.235 3399.561 3396.28 3399.47 Well , whi which is probably a documentation fault , right . 3397.14 3399.27 3399.47 EN2009d D MEE095 3 3400.241 3406.67 3400.35 3406.67 I've th I've yeah . It's it's in the documentation . But it's like two thirds of the way down a quite a long page . So 3401.47 3402.62 3406.08 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3401.7 3402.05 3401.83 3401.95 Hmm . 3401.95 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3403.232 3403.654 3403.32 3403.654 But - EN2009d B FEE096 1 3405.051 3406.281 3405.15 3406.13 The right . 3406.13 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3405.923 3406.306 3405.95 3406.22 Yeah . 3406.22 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3407.423 3416.214 3407.49 3416.12 Not prominently flagged . Okay . A communication flaw . Okay . So we can now that's now just lovely . And there won't be any crazy scores anymore . 3409.25 3410.39 3411.76 3412.06 3414.1 3416.12 EN2009d D MEE095 3 3409.238 3411.325 3409.36 3411.325 Yep . But um 3410.85 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3409.481 3409.93 3409.54 3409.9 Yeah . 3409.9 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3414.117 3414.583 3414.18 3414.35 Yeah . 3414.35 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3414.262 3422.234 3414.37 3422.234 Is there a y yeah . Well , while we're on past things , is there anything else you wanna tell us about the prior part of this , which is the , you know , what else is he holding you up from 3415.36 3415.59 3416.41 3418.93 3419.93 3420.41 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3422.224 3442.401 3422.24 3442.401 Or oh we're well we yeah . we should should go back to the beginning . The um Camtasia was tested last week and initially we were a bit worried because uh in the old version it seemed to interfere with it . But uh when you when Craig re-compiled it and did his new version it started wor wor it seems to work fine . Um 3423.76 3425.07 3435.26 3441.96 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3433.744 3435.312 3433.77 3435.18 Oh . I have to use a new page . 3434.12 3435.18 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3434.939 3435.404 3435.0 3435.31 Uh-huh . 3435.31 EN2009d D MEE095 3 3441.319 3442.151 3441.41 3442.01 Yeah . Yeah . 3441.86 3442.01 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3441.417 3447.843 3441.5 3447.843 Right . So it doesn't slow down the eye tracker . It doesn't do anything nasty . So we we p so we pay for it and 3441.9 3443.36 3444.81 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3444.834 3447.082 3444.88 3447.082 Nothing we can tell . No uh 3446.52 EN2009d D MEE095 3 3445.153 3457.44 3445.26 3457.38 No . No the the the there's there's very small graphical bugs . But it's it's not it's not big thing . It's like couple of white pixels uh in the course of a in the course of a the course of a task . So it's there's distracting . 3446.4 3448.65 3450.71 3455.9 3457.38 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3449.355 3449.877 3449.43 3449.83 Mm-hmm . 3449.83 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3457.264 3459.931 3457.28 3459.85 Nothing important and noth nothing big enough they're gonna look at it , right ? 3459.58 3459.85 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3459.76 3460.376 3459.84 3460.33 No . 3460.33 EN2009d D MEE095 3 3460.466 3460.807 3460.55 3460.73 No . 3460.73 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3460.535 3471.436 3460.63 3471.33 Alright . So the last I think I'm sorry , you know , I had as assorted emails from you and I was probably didn't catch everything . The problem was that there are two Camtasia records . 3460.83 3463.45 3463.68 3468.51 3471.33 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3470.576 3486.32 3470.98 3486.19 Yes . There will now have to be two Camtasia records because uh e each person actually sees a different screen because of the gaze feedback . They don't see their own gaze to the other person . So there'll need to be two separate Camtasia videos generated . 3471.27 3479.37 3481.6 3486.19 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3478.464 3481.617 3478.49 3481.53 They don't see their own gaze . They see the o only the other guy's gaze , right . 3479.57 3481.22 3481.53 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3480.037 3481.059 3480.11 3480.99 Yep . Yeah . 3480.64 3480.99 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3484.931 3488.681 3485.0 3488.52 Yeah , yeah . I know . Oh , do you need two copies of Camtasia to do that ? 3485.2 3485.42 3486.5 3486.72 3488.52 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3490.053 3495.398 3490.11 3495.398 Hopefully we won't . You mean officially ? Or uh 3492.69 3494.0 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3492.499 3493.447 3492.67 3493.26 Huh huh . 3493.26 EN2009d D MEE095 3 3494.759 3512.865 3494.85 3512.76 Yeah , but then the que the que the question is there a licence for Camtasia where you just need one editing c thing and two recording things . 'Cause yeah , the r the recording yeah , the recording thi pro program is just quite a it's quite a small program . They just gen it just generates the video and so I don't know don't know if it's worth having a look at the licensing for that just to see . 3494.99 3500.48 3501.66 3503.35 3506.41 3512.76 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3509.984 3510.672 3510.0 3510.672 Okay . I mean 3510.24 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3513.629 3528.879 3513.629 3528.79 Yeah , I hadn't thought about the I was assuming we'd just get one and one licence both of us . Suppose technically we should have two because it'll be two machines . I suspect that it will . It'll be per machine I would think . 3515.69 3520.82 3525.51 3527.16 3528.79 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3513.946 3515.218 3513.97 3515.13 So you're gonna look into this , right ? 3514.83 3515.13 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3519.6 3520.176 3519.73 3520.176 Check out - EN2009d A FEE083 0 3522.69 3524.793 3522.73 3524.793 Well y c look at the licence conditions , it might not 3524.15 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3529.456 3531.763 3529.52 3531.73 I c I never pre-judge licences until I've read 'em . 3531.73 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3531.455 3539.002 3531.97 3539.002 Hmm . I I'll have a uh yeah , I'll have a l a look at the actual Camtasia licence . Um the other thing we're we 3532.73 3533.53 3536.37 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3532.208 3533.314 3532.33 3533.314 Okay . So we 3532.74 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3538.541 3565.454 3538.65 3565.33 So uh well and um hold on , before we get go any further . So this has implications for data storage , right ? Because w um it means we've got well no , this is three times , right , 'cause we've got oh no , we're gonna build we're gonna use JavaScript to build the videos on the fly , right , 'cause it's fast . So the the permanent storage is just the Camtasia stuff . So uh is that a problem ? Where are we putting things ? 3540.32 3541.56 3543.48 3544.4 3547.65 3548.44 3548.61 3549.61 3553.34 3553.55 3554.85 3558.18 3564.21 3565.33 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3544.367 3548.442 3544.45 3548.442 It 'cause it's now twice twice the size of a - EN2009d B FEE096 1 3544.657 3545.106 3544.74 3545.01 Mm-hmm . 3545.01 EN2009d D MEE095 3 3555.234 3555.592 3555.27 3555.48 Yeah . 3555.48 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3566.096 3588.872 3566.12 3588.66 Is there mm . Is there such a thing um as um , you know , dual track video ? Because you can certainly mix things . Um what ideally one wants one doesn't really want to l to have these things . Uh um because we're using them for back-up and for coding . We don't really want to play them independently . We do almost always want to use them in exactly in parallel . Time aligned . 3567.41 3570.15 3570.37 3572.11 3574.33 3578.23 3581.37 3583.91 3588.04 3588.66 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3566.102 3568.149 3566.19 3568.07 Uh mm . Hmm . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 3566.53 3566.63 3567.03 3568.07 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3581.453 3583.691 3581.79 3583.62 Oh we can we can put 'em in the same thing , right ? 3583.35 3583.62 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3588.502 3589.084 3588.62 3589.0 Mm-hmm . 3589.0 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3589.28 3595.024 3589.3 3595.024 You can dump 'em into one video frame if you don't mind losing resolution . But that's maybe a problem , right , because 3593.13 3594.24 3594.42 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3594.96 3601.273 3595.27 3601.15 Well the other problem is uh Camtasia has to be manually launched on both machines separately . 3601.15 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3601.344 3603.156 3601.38 3603.0 So the synchronization's gonna be a problem . 3603.0 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3602.786 3603.061 3602.86 3603.03 Yeah . 3603.03 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3603.856 3606.492 3603.856 3606.39 Um what are we doing for synchronization otherwise ? 3606.39 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3606.079 3609.039 3606.21 3608.95 Uh during the task there is a flash and a bleep . 3608.95 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3610.552 3618.06 3610.61 3618.01 Oh I mean not during the task . Uh before . For each task . Yes . Yes . 3611.79 3612.98 3614.28 3617.6 3618.01 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3613.001 3614.3 3613.07 3614.21 Yeah , before the task . 3613.39 3614.21 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3614.976 3643.067 3615.4 3642.94 Okay . So that we'd have to re-align them . We couldn't dump them from their start points . Well , maybe you could . The thing that you're dumping them onto just starts running with the flash and the bleep . You turn on the two copies whenever at different times . But they're still no ? Is the what what i th what are they I don't really understand the the parts that are operating here . Two videos are turning on . There is no time stamp that comes from some common source . 3615.7 3617.25 3620.24 3620.51 3621.57 3625.67 3629.59 3631.91 3638.24 3639.62 3642.94 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3637.723 3640.351 3637.78 3640.351 Uh Camtasia y yeah . But 3640.11 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3642.855 3661.246 3642.9 3661.19 No , they're they're on two s the two separate machines and the you you start and end them separately . The they they're not talking to each other . They're just recording . You start it recording and it starts recording what's on one screen . And you start the other recording on the other machine . And they're they're totally separate . They don't know about the other one . 3643.42 3649.41 3651.14 3652.23 3654.93 3658.8 3660.2 3661.19 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3643.252 3643.81 3643.35 3643.73 No . 3643.73 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3645.696 3646.239 3645.72 3646.16 Mm-hmm . 3646.16 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3653.2 3653.616 3653.31 3653.56 Right . 3653.56 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3658.528 3660.352 3658.56 3660.26 Right . Okay . 3659.83 3660.26 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3658.549 3659.033 3658.57 3659.033 So - EN2009d A FEE083 0 3660.334 3679.201 3660.41 3678.95 These are ba these are back-ups . Right . So the flash get allows you to hand-synchronize them later if you need to by stripping extra video off the front . As long as you make sure you start 'em before the flash then you're fine . But it will there's a a cost of having to go to back-up , which is synchronizing them . 3662.07 3662.55 3670.06 3674.11 3676.87 3678.95 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3662.64 3664.379 3662.67 3664.27 Right , is there a div mm . 3662.99 3664.27 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3666.16 3666.775 3666.28 3666.68 Mm-hmm . 3666.68 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3667.008 3667.344 3667.06 3667.29 Mm-hmm . 3667.29 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3672.644 3673.068 3672.74 3673.0 Yep . 3673.0 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3672.912 3673.312 3672.95 3673.26 Mm-hmm . 3673.26 EN2009d D MEE095 3 3673.187 3673.536 3673.23 3673.42 Yep . 3673.42 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3678.688 3699.843 3678.72 3699.68 Mm-hmm . So they'll include things like the um the eye tracker calibration , right , which is not a bad thing actually . Because sometimes you wanna go back and find out if this was just a particularly duff subject . . Right . Yeah . And hand every time we re-calibrated the damn thing slipped , yeah . 3679.86 3685.8 3686.04 3687.7 3695.1 3695.1 3695.8 3696.47 3699.39 3699.68 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3684.956 3685.597 3685.08 3685.47 Yes . 3685.47 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3691.292 3702.87 3691.61 3702.87 Uh yeah . See how how long it took them actually . That's that's true . How long did it take them to calibrate . Or yeah . How many t how many times before uh the validation worked or something . Yeah , that's true . I uh 3692.05 3693.67 3694.9 3696.3 3697.67 3701.29 3701.4 3702.39 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3701.408 3705.092 3701.47 3705.04 Oh okay . So you so you should start the Camtasia really early then . 3702.02 3705.04 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3701.822 3703.341 3701.95 3703.26 That actually helps . I mean that ni 3702.71 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3704.613 3705.573 3704.67 3705.49 Right . Yep . 3705.23 3705.49 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3704.904 3710.602 3704.97 3710.602 Well it at the moment the that's what I was assuming on on on doing that uh it's done first . 3710.45 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3707.264 3707.644 3707.3 3707.57 Mm-hmm . 3707.57 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3707.965 3708.763 3707.99 3708.64 Right . Okay . 3708.29 3708.64 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3708.768 3723.136 3708.81 3723.08 Right . No , they that actually saves you hours trying to make somebody's data smooth out when it won't . Because yeah . That's a technical term . That's a a technical categorization in psychological research . 3709.33 3709.45 3714.04 3718.13 3719.75 3723.08 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3712.977 3731.957 3713.1 3731.91 Mm-hmm . You go back and actually yes , they were crap . Isn't that the answer ? Yeah . Um yes . The other thing we were getting sorted out was the the microphones . 'Cause only one of the uh Camtasia videos will actually have the soundtrack . 3714.72 3715.9 3717.83 3721.67 3723.06 3724.7 3727.81 3731.91 EN2009d D MEE095 3 3716.101 3716.474 3716.101 3716.474 . 3716.474 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3734.816 3735.86 3734.84 3735.76 And that's because ? 3735.76 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3736.018 3747.43 3736.018 3747.34 Uh we're just getting we've got one cable and to the two mics . I suppose we can do it is it would it be worth splitting it ? 3744.98 3747.34 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3746.032 3752.572 3746.25 3752.45 Well we need sound we we need real sound recording , right . That's that's two track . That's stereo . 3748.71 3748.99 3751.57 3752.45 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3751.188 3777.232 3751.68 3776.64 Uh yeah . So the at at at the moment it's ins well , what we've finally just uh at twelve o'clock today looks like we've got it sussed um is to get one channel one microphone being the left channel and one being the right channel to merge into a stereo single file . Uh unfortunately the on one machine . 3752.06 3754.71 3771.51 3776.64 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3755.168 3755.933 3755.22 3755.88 Alright . 3755.88 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3767.872 3768.464 3767.9 3768.32 Uh-huh . 3768.32 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3769.654 3770.219 3769.78 3770.18 Uh-huh . 3770.18 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3773.128 3774.891 3773.19 3774.891 On w on what ? Uh sorry . Uh 3774.21 3774.72 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3778.368 3779.76 3778.39 3779.76 On one of the - EN2009d C MEE094 2 3780.57 3784.088 3780.59 3784.0 The display P_C_s . Yeah , the Camtasia v video . 3781.67 3781.83 3784.0 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3781.056 3781.391 3781.08 3781.35 Con - EN2009d B FEE096 1 3784.611 3786.416 3784.63 3786.416 O o it's uh - EN2009d C MEE094 2 3785.872 3789.127 3785.93 3788.8 Or m m multi-media thing . 3788.8 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3788.24 3789.12 3788.26 3789.04 On Camtasia . 3789.04 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3788.32 3790.074 3788.37 3790.0 That's not where you're putting it . I mean u 3789.61 EN2009d D MEE095 3 3789.031 3789.422 3789.14 3789.29 Mm . 3789.29 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3790.288 3791.792 3790.31 3791.68 That's our only sound record ? 3791.68 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3790.334 3790.632 3790.43 3790.54 Yeah . 3790.54 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3792.016 3792.464 3792.04 3792.39 Yes . 3792.39 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3793.344 3799.328 3793.39 3799.328 Well okay , you've got the proper sound record . But you're not dumping it through Camtasia to record it , right . You're 3793.97 3795.45 3798.69 3798.88 EN2009d C MEE094 2 3797.168 3797.887 3797.26 3797.887 It it's - EN2009d C MEE094 2 3799.216 3801.475 3799.24 3801.44 Yep . It's Camtasia that's recording it . 3800.17 3801.44 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3801.889 3807.585 3801.91 3807.53 What before we were gonna use Camtasia at all , what well what we were gonna do what were we going to do with the sound ? 3804.55 3807.53 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3802.289 3802.553 3802.33 3802.45 Mm . 3802.45 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3810.333 3810.865 3810.4 3810.76 Mm-hmm . 3810.76 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3810.939 3811.529 3811.0 3811.44 Uh-huh . 3811.44 EN2009d D MEE095 3 3811.652 3812.076 3811.72 3811.92 Yeah . 3811.92 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3824.416 3830.754 3824.44 3830.67 So uh ha wou is there any sound degradation that comes about from putting this through Camtasia rather than running it out straight ? 3830.67 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3825.345 3826.069 3825.38 3825.98 How good is it ? 3825.98 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3827.376 3828.912 3827.4 3828.81 Yeah . Have to really question . 3827.81 3828.81 EN2009d D MEE095 3 3831.538 3832.552 3831.62 3832.552 No , you got you 3831.83 EN2009d D MEE095 3 3835.496 3844.661 3835.57 3844.661 Yeah , you got exactly the same access to sound quality as you got from anythi anything else on the Windows . So you can you decide whatever quality you want . So got a bit of 3835.86 3840.26 3842.39 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3836.046 3836.48 3836.16 3836.3 Mm-hmm . 3836.3 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3843.55 3848.672 3843.59 3848.64 Okay . So what you're planning on doing it is bunging it on one of the Camtasia tracks and then splicing it off the Camtasia track . 3843.88 3848.64 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3856.122 3857.793 3856.15 3857.76 It's an easy bit of yeah . 3857.76 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3858.919 3879.432 3858.96 3879.4 And then you're gonna bung it on the other Camtasia track too if you need it , right ? But we'll just we're gonna store all three separately then . And the sound is going to start at the same time as one of that arbitrary one of the Camtasia videos . But you'll know when the real experiment you'll know the relationship between that and the eye tracker timings ? 3861.74 3862.69 3867.32 3873.28 3879.4 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3858.992 3861.354 3859.02 3861.28 And then then they can do sound analysis on that . 3861.28 EN2009d D MEE095 3 3879.904 3887.944 3880.24 3887.9 Uh yeah . Because the the synchronization , the audio and vi the audio visual synchronisation comes at a specific point in the eye track file . 3880.67 3882.76 3887.9 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3890.08 3893.584 3890.11 3893.49 Yeah . No human intervention required . It's time-stamped . 3890.65 3892.64 3893.49 EN2009d D MEE095 3 3893.897 3901.084 3893.95 3901.0 No , it's yeah th it's i i sta stamped into it . So it's just after just after it prints the line starting experiment uh uh yeah . I'll I'm pretty sure it's just yeah . 3894.13 3895.91 3899.82 3901.0 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3908.048 3938.851 3908.07 3938.78 Yeah . But ho hold on . Do we need that ? I mean it I I thought the way that Tim had this set up originally , um the audio uh w the time stamps used there would be joint time stamps between the audio and the eye tracker , so that , you know , uh the audio record ten seconds in was the same as ten seconds into the eye tracker record so that we didn't have to do any extra hand work , you know , any uh chopping the starts of audio signals to get there was nothing okay . 3908.76 3909.6 3910.23 3914.6 3923.23 3924.17 3924.81 3933.68 3933.96 3938.78 EN2009d D MEE095 3 3908.527 3908.984 3908.62 3908.85 Yep . 3908.85 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3940.414 3944.691 3940.45 3944.64 So we're relying on your MATLAB script to get us the chopped version of the audio , right ? 3944.28 3944.64 EN2009d D MEE095 3 3944.95 3953.829 3945.2 3953.829 Uh well the well the MATLAB script uh bas just sa uh just says uh yeah , gi gi gives you the times of the audio beep in the s in the signal . So I just 3949.2 3953.1 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3952.989 3960.141 3953.04 3960.07 Right , so we can either adjust the eye trai track data or we can actually chop the audio signal to take off the first whatever , however many seconds . 3953.24 3959.36 3960.07 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3952.992 3953.858 3953.16 3953.69 Oh okay . 3953.69 EN2009d D MEE095 3 3957.837 3958.245 3957.88 3958.16 Yeah . 3958.16 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3959.024 3969.84 3959.07 3969.74 Right . So we there's gonna be a way to , sooner or later , to align the eye track , Camtasia one , Camtasia two with two sound channels . 3959.3 3962.03 3963.05 3966.05 3967.55 3969.74 EN2009d D MEE095 3 3969.906 3970.246 3969.99 3970.14 Yeah . 3970.14 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3971.28 3988.144 3971.3 3988.0 Yeah , but uh but d um the uh lining up the Camtasia two is gonna take we w he's working on a MATLAB script for the sound but not for so the one that's got the sound on it , that'll also tell you where to chop the video to get it to line up . The one that doesn't have the sound on it , it won't . 3971.56 3983.07 3986.19 3987.51 3988.0 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3971.616 3972.038 3971.73 3971.9 Right . 3971.9 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3985.968 3986.425 3985.99 3986.32 Mm-hmm . 3986.32 EN2009d B FEE096 1 3994.832 3996.031 3994.88 3995.98 Ah , the bleep we'll find . 3995.04 3995.98 EN2009d A FEE083 0 3995.612 4004.625 3995.66 4004.625 Oh . So it's just got the bleeps . Oh okay , so w no hand synchronization required at all . Um as long as the scripts work , right . 3995.79 3997.85 3998.18 4001.84 4003.98 4004.3 EN2009d D MEE095 3 3996.039 3996.654 3996.08 3996.52 Oh yeah . 3996.52 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4004.178 4004.66 4004.28 4004.5 Yeah . 4004.5 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4015.056 4018.416 4015.08 4018.38 'Kay . How confident are you about the finding these things ? 4015.47 4018.38 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4018.793 4022.16 4018.793 4022.16 Pretty confident . But you you've you've seen them . It it was it was 4019.8 4020.81 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4020.543 4020.875 4020.67 4020.76 Mm . 4020.76 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4027.696 4038.793 4027.696 4038.793 So we just have to w hope we don't have an any subjects with the odd vocalizations . 4038.67 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4028.272 4029.712 4028.272 4029.59 Right . 4029.59 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4028.796 4029.379 4028.85 4029.17 Yeah . 4029.17 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4034.559 4038.132 4034.559 4037.95 Yeah , I don't see him with ten he kilohertz . 4036.0 4037.95 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4034.867 4042.128 4035.01 4042.128 Right . Right . They uh they also tend to have a funny funny shape , beeps . So 4036.84 4038.22 4041.29 4041.68 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4042.076 4043.755 4042.076 4043.66 Yeah . 4043.66 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4042.348 4043.571 4042.41 4043.48 Yeah . Okay . 4043.13 4043.48 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4046.736 4047.152 4046.77 4047.03 Mm-hmm . 4047.03 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4052.0 4055.995 4052.02 4055.96 Yeah . 'Cause this this is the drop-out test . Yep . Okay . 4052.26 4053.99 4055.51 4055.96 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4052.242 4052.816 4052.33 4052.56 Mm-hmm . 4052.56 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4055.888 4061.171 4055.92 4061.171 Yeah , is there an end signal ? When you decide it's all over , does it ping you back and 4056.04 4058.13 4059.59 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4060.083 4064.593 4060.11 4064.593 Yeah , the the the there's a signal at the start and the end of every trial . So 4060.26 4064.25 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4060.495 4061.078 4060.56 4061.0 Yeah , yeah . 4060.73 4061.0 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4063.12 4069.504 4063.14 4069.35 Right . Okay . So when you've when you've pressed we're finished , it pings back at you ? Okay . 4063.54 4064.37 4067.32 4069.18 4069.35 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4067.346 4069.075 4067.41 4068.91 Yep . Yep . 4068.73 4068.91 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4071.812 4080.154 4071.94 4080.01 It's just that all kinds of crazy things happen when you're running things , and so up saving a percentage of a trial is sometimes a good i you know , being able to do that is sometimes a good idea . Okay . 4074.29 4077.63 4079.64 4080.01 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4079.016 4079.482 4079.09 4079.36 Mm . 4079.36 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4094.56 4095.147 4094.63 4095.11 Oh yeah . 4095.11 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4095.051 4110.333 4095.14 4110.16 Yes , it's a stereo jack . It's a stereo jack . But it's a mono but it's a mono uh microphone . Mono mono recording on microphones . Line in . Uh sp going going through a line in . So it's a so it's a lit so it's quieter because it's not as though it's not powered . But it's still , think , yeah . We we still pick up a signal . 4095.35 4096.48 4097.22 4099.46 4101.97 4103.14 4104.38 4107.38 4108.75 4108.94 4109.11 4110.16 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4096.928 4101.44 4096.928 4101.4 I know but so you g you got a solution for that then ? 4101.4 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4103.846 4105.328 4103.87 4105.25 Oh right , okay . Yeah . 4104.34 4104.95 4105.25 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4116.816 4117.408 4116.84 4117.35 Can w - EN2009d A FEE083 0 4117.52 4119.933 4117.54 4119.933 You're sure there's not a better solution that involves - EN2009d B FEE096 1 4118.864 4122.096 4118.89 4122.096 Yeah , can we do can we do something better than that ? Like having 4119.2 4121.41 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4121.813 4126.863 4121.85 4126.863 'Cause , you know , people might wanna use this for speech recognition or something . You never know if it's the data is there then 4122.0 4122.21 4124.85 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4124.288 4124.795 4124.37 4124.72 Yeah . 4124.72 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4126.507 4138.528 4126.59 4138.42 Yeah , I mean it's it's crazy . We're in an anechoic room which we specially , yeah , built an anechoic . But , you know , sound room which we specially built for this . We're d in good circumstances . We shouldn't screw it up more than we have to . Is there anything we can do to improve this ? 4126.79 4127.68 4129.75 4129.91 4130.74 4131.03 4131.28 4133.26 4135.13 4136.95 4138.42 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4128.51 4128.95 4128.57 4128.86 You know . 4128.86 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4130.913 4131.411 4130.97 4131.38 Yeah . 4131.38 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4133.124 4134.413 4133.14 4134.38 And you're gonna want forced alignment . 4134.38 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4137.756 4138.155 4137.83 4138.08 Yeah . 4138.08 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4141.998 4144.892 4142.02 4144.84 Oh no . Well no no . Better to collect and sort . 4142.48 4143.7 4144.84 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4142.362 4143.169 4142.42 4143.169 Yeah . 4143.08 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4142.368 4146.304 4142.48 4146.23 No . No , no . Do you have a powered microphone or something . 4143.62 4143.82 4144.64 4146.23 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4146.624 4154.981 4146.624 4154.86 Well the the when they are they are the the they have batteries in them . But i there's not doesn't . But doesn't seem to be powered because the because the line in input's so low . 4150.24 4151.7 4154.86 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4148.03 4149.102 4148.1 4149.102 Uh well it's the mono - EN2009d A FEE083 0 4154.304 4160.352 4154.32 4160.19 Wait wait , w I I thought the sol that a better solution was fixing this problem with the mono microphone socket . Sound card ? 4154.7 4159.63 4160.19 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4155.248 4155.712 4155.27 4155.56 Right . 4155.56 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4162.224 4167.073 4162.29 4167.01 So you said the problem was the m it the m m i is expecting a mono microphone input . 4167.01 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4164.956 4166.686 4165.1 4166.4 The so the sound the sound the s - EN2009d B FEE096 1 4165.68 4171.552 4165.85 4171.45 That the line is stereo , the input is mono . Right ? Is that what you said ? Right . 4167.1 4169.07 4169.77 4171.27 4171.45 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4169.68 4177.072 4169.8 4176.88 Well the yeah , the the yeah , the the the the jack that is that it's plugged into is stereo . But when you plug in when it's recording from microphone , it records in mono . 4170.22 4170.71 4174.23 4176.18 4176.88 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4173.219 4175.072 4173.31 4174.9 Is ah . 4174.9 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4177.904 4187.364 4177.93 4187.21 So is that fixable ? Like is there any way yeah . Uh I think a new sound card sounds a better solution than monkeying about with trying to filter white noise out . 4179.75 4182.07 4187.21 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4180.288 4181.664 4180.31 4181.58 That's somewhere in the sound card . 4181.58 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4181.512 4183.437 4181.59 4183.27 And yeah . A new sound card is fixable . 4182.06 4183.27 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4186.796 4200.282 4186.89 4200.2 Yeah . Als think we we have a well I suppo I suppose it well one th one thing you do is uh re is record the sou speech signal separately for each for each person . But then you'd have to pull the two pull the two sounds together . 4187.58 4197.06 4200.2 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4200.304 4201.246 4200.32 4201.18 Which isn't hard . 4201.18 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4200.36 4200.736 4200.42 4200.62 Yep . 4200.62 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4202.618 4204.663 4202.66 4204.53 But hi but it's only got one input , right . 4204.34 4204.53 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4203.07 4209.115 4203.13 4209.04 So if uh so if i i if each machine recorded its own with a recorded the recorded like the the p th the uh the user on that one . 4209.04 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4207.552 4211.408 4207.57 4211.29 Its own track , its own video . You have to align the videos anyway , right ? 4208.12 4208.68 4210.91 4211.29 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4211.634 4212.216 4211.71 4212.02 Yeah . 4212.02 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4211.708 4211.873 4211.75 4211.78 I - EN2009d A FEE083 0 4217.776 4222.721 4217.82 4222.721 I believe it's easy to put two monos into a stereo signal . Yeah . So 4221.63 4222.24 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4217.807 4219.704 4217.87 4219.57 Yeah . Oh they yeah . And then the so the yeah . So th 4218.28 4218.58 4219.33 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4221.077 4229.881 4221.11 4229.68 Yeah , it's easy . Easy . If if nothing if nothing else you h uh if nothing else you can do it in a MATLAB script . You just write read read file one , read file two . And then you just yeah . 4221.25 4221.8 4223.44 4225.9 4227.53 4228.95 4229.68 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4221.763 4225.297 4221.85 4225.15 Well I'm not the technical person who would do it . But I know who to ask . 4224.12 4225.15 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4226.672 4227.06 4226.71 4226.91 Mm-hmm . 4226.91 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4226.786 4227.277 4226.81 4227.22 Yeah , yeah . 4226.92 4227.22 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4228.176 4228.573 4228.2 4228.43 Mm-hmm . 4228.43 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4229.424 4231.328 4229.44 4231.21 So is there any reason why we wou don't do that ? 4231.21 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4237.674 4250.942 4237.78 4250.88 Yeah , but then the the the MATLAB the MATLAB script will tell you how l it will tell you how far apart they are . 'Cause you can do you can just measure the drift between the two of them . 'Cause you got a l you got a list of where the where the beeps are . And then you say right , this stream is like , I don't know , nought point two five seconds behind the other one . 4237.97 4241.82 4243.66 4246.0 4247.02 4247.95 4249.02 4250.88 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4238.288 4239.568 4238.31 4239.568 But it's the same as - EN2009d B FEE096 1 4250.064 4250.608 4250.2 4250.43 Mm-hmm . 4250.43 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4253.648 4259.207 4253.648 4259.03 Says Robin thinking about cutting and splicing , yeah . Yeah , okay . 4257.08 4258.24 4258.65 4259.03 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4257.931 4272.827 4257.99 4272.74 Yeah . Well , it's in the old days we probably would have want a little if they'd been in the same room we would have had a little stereo thing in the background as backup as well just to make sure . 'Cause it's slightly dicier you know , if his scripts don't work then you don't get the overlap . 4258.53 4258.98 4268.38 4270.28 4272.74 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4265.952 4267.178 4265.98 4267.07 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 4266.71 4267.07 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4270.88 4278.648 4270.94 4278.53 Yeah , I wanna see several of them . I wanna see I wanna see one of them um look really nice before we start running subjects . Can we do that ? 4271.27 4272.38 4277.97 4278.53 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4279.936 4285.436 4280.01 4285.436 It doesn't have to be a real trial . It just has to be two guys talking in the two bits . And then 4281.31 4284.4 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4280.176 4280.473 4280.2 4280.37 Yeah . 4280.37 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4281.664 4282.48 4281.69 4282.35 Yes , that's right . 4281.85 4282.35 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4285.216 4314.671 4285.24 4314.671 I just wanna know it works the way you expect it to work . This is not a a gesture of mistrust . This is just experience that um if anything can screw up it will . I I'm trying to choose my language carefully because we're being recorded . But you'll hear more choice language at the point when we've all done a lot of work and and then we discover we can't use the session because of some thing we didn't think about . Right . Um 4287.12 4289.49 4294.8 4301.28 4312.98 4314.24 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4289.681 4290.063 4289.77 4289.87 Yeah . 4289.87 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4293.293 4297.771 4293.34 4297.771 We've both been so badly bitten in the past . 4297.67 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4307.401 4308.295 4307.63 4308.295 Mm-hmm . 4307.99 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4312.32 4312.946 4312.34 4312.88 Yeah . 4312.88 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4313.942 4314.782 4314.0 4314.782 Yeah . So then 4314.23 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4314.122 4316.992 4314.2 4316.992 But this this sounds reasonable to me . I so I think 4316.19 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4317.088 4317.627 4317.18 4317.41 Mm-hmm . 4317.41 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4320.384 4320.857 4320.46 4320.74 Mm-hmm . 4320.74 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4323.248 4323.68 4323.28 4323.63 Mm-hmm . 4323.63 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4323.311 4323.785 4323.35 4323.7 Yeah . 4323.7 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4324.944 4326.599 4324.97 4326.599 Right . And then then we combine 4325.25 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4325.44 4328.352 4325.48 4328.27 Do do they both have the same sound card problem ? I wouldn't count on it . 4327.56 4328.27 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4328.438 4329.71 4328.52 4329.66 They've both got the same sound card . 4329.66 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4329.92 4330.401 4329.95 4330.37 Okay . 4330.37 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4330.832 4333.326 4330.99 4333.22 So yeah . 4333.22 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4335.854 4337.306 4335.95 4337.306 Yeah . Yeah . 'Cause 'cause 'cause 4336.37 4336.54 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4336.384 4346.608 4336.4 4346.55 Yeah . It's probably worth mentioning this to the to the guys in the garage in Toronto , right . To say mm-hmm . 4336.57 4340.48 4341.16 4346.55 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4343.543 4344.101 4343.61 4344.07 Yes . 4344.07 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4348.416 4349.472 4348.45 4349.41 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 4349.11 4349.41 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4355.043 4372.362 4355.13 4372.28 Yeah . So the the external version's got plugs that size and that that is stereo microphones . But yeah . The other one's plug's like the smaller size and that isn't stereo . So the colour the colour can do it . It's just that the connectors on the the connectors at the back of the computer can't . 4355.36 4361.28 4361.97 4366.33 4367.68 4372.28 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4355.601 4356.059 4355.66 4355.8 Mm-hmm . 4355.8 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4358.384 4358.88 4358.43 4358.85 Uh-huh . 4358.85 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4360.736 4361.183 4360.76 4361.1 Right . 4361.1 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4366.393 4366.901 4366.47 4366.901 Oh - EN2009d A FEE083 0 4372.62 4375.045 4372.68 4374.98 Well uh yeah . I think tell the guys . 4373.87 4374.98 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4374.451 4385.693 4374.59 4385.56 I think that's a if the documentation said it w could record in stereo then I think we should talk to them about how they've done this . Is you're not sure from the documentation what it says it can do ? 4383.3 4385.56 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4393.216 4394.154 4393.27 4394.09 To yeah , yeah . 4393.75 4394.09 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4393.936 4394.416 4394.01 4394.33 Mm-hmm . 4394.33 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4394.399 4408.128 4394.48 4408.02 Yeah . But as as far far as we can and find the the web site of the , yeah , the the Creative Labs web site and the review of it . Um and they weren't entirely clear . But they both suggested that it is there is a mono that there there is a mono microphone . 4394.91 4399.33 4399.47 4401.96 4404.6 4408.02 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4408.091 4408.615 4408.16 4408.48 Yeah . 4408.48 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4415.936 4416.392 4416.0 4416.31 Mm-hmm . 4416.31 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4418.257 4418.706 4418.32 4418.52 Yeah . 4418.52 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4418.352 4419.682 4418.39 4419.58 Yeah , it's just the way they wired it . 4418.61 4419.58 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4421.087 4448.598 4421.15 4448.49 So um it's getting late and I've got a two o'clock and I've got a nice lunch . So I wanna eat my lunch today . Uh what did you wanna get through today more ? I mean I think I think it was useful going through your expectations about this . 'Cause um that's quite a bit clearer in my head at least and but I think mostly we leave you to go away and re-design the G_D_F_ or add new bits to the G_D_F_ along these lines . And then w 4425.22 4427.89 4431.1 4434.26 4448.11 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4423.339 4425.21 4423.42 4425.08 Right . Okay . 4424.73 4425.08 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4428.961 4429.551 4429.05 4429.41 Okay . 4429.41 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4433.376 4433.904 4433.42 4433.75 Mm-hmm . 4433.75 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4439.764 4440.487 4439.84 4440.487 Yeah , I'm 4440.05 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4447.648 4473.888 4447.67 4473.81 Yeah . So and basically out the output the G_D_F_ is just gonna be a whole series of events , you know , with start and end time . And the event's gonna have whatever all whatever the object uh is that's being looked at and things . Um and then , yeah , and then it's a matter of we're gonna put whatever filters you need after that . So you can say right , I just want so you can say from the time where they picked up triangle one to the part time it became part of the assembly , find out how it's how m percentages of time they were looking at it or whatever . 4447.89 4453.14 4453.3 4454.14 4459.21 4460.2 4460.36 4463.58 4464.45 4470.58 4473.81 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4450.064 4450.531 4450.1 4450.39 Yeah . 4450.39 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4453.776 4454.283 4453.91 4454.24 Right . 4454.24 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4456.704 4457.218 4456.86 4457.12 Right . 4457.12 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4459.136 4459.68 4459.19 4459.63 Okay . 4459.63 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4464.176 4464.69 4464.34 4464.55 Right . 4464.55 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4472.592 4472.976 4472.63 4472.93 Right . 4472.93 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4474.24 4486.8 4474.33 4486.66 Right . Okay , so when you I mean uh given that there are these events recorded , we can use any of them as the beginning of any of them as a start point , for example , right . Um there are also motions being recorded of objects . Right . 4474.58 4474.78 4477.09 4479.96 4481.2 4482.07 4486.54 4486.66 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4486.026 4500.828 4486.07 4500.74 Yep . So yeah . So you got mo yeah . There there's move events . There's look events . there's fixations and blinks now at the moment as well . Um and , yeah , and oh yeah and see uh looks at looks at objects and looks whatever else . So um s 4486.3 4486.7 4487.43 4488.38 4489.86 4492.03 4494.11 4494.65 4498.34 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4487.061 4487.859 4487.14 4487.78 Yeah , yeah , yeah . 4487.3 4487.48 4487.78 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4490.096 4490.448 4490.12 4490.32 Mm-hmm . 4490.32 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4491.471 4491.953 4491.56 4491.86 Right . 4491.86 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4497.376 4497.774 4497.4 4497.67 Mm-hmm . 4497.67 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4499.68 4500.24 4499.82 4500.15 Okay . 4500.15 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4500.064 4538.857 4500.09 4538.8 But I think the thing to do is um for you to go away and think about it this way with the different tracks for the different objects and the um the kinds of things we've added about whether they're looking at the other person's gaze and what have you , and and try to change the spec so it it reflects this and maybe um oh maybe by that point there will be some sample data or something uh and the right thing to do is for us to look at the sp the spec the way you understand it now and some data . And then Ellen'll have new ideas about what's needed or about these post-analyses , you know , the and then and we can add 'em in . But it's gonna emerge over time . I mean that's clear . 4512.32 4529.43 4533.7 4533.97 4536.6 4537.98 4538.8 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4512.594 4512.976 4512.61 4512.86 Yep . 4512.86 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4529.376 4529.752 4529.4 4529.64 Yep . 4529.64 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4531.504 4534.624 4531.504 4534.59 . Right . Yeah . 4531.504 4534.16 4534.59 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4533.801 4534.758 4533.87 4534.56 Yeah . Yeah I will . 4534.16 4534.56 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4536.384 4560.413 4536.4 4560.22 So I'm right . Uh that that that's great . I I'd before we break up for lunch I just wanna make sure that tha that I know how long it's gonna be before we're in run mode , okay . So the sound thing the sound thing is stands in our way , we need to be recording sound online . Okay . So that's a thing that has to be solved . The shape thing is solved . 4538.99 4541.03 4550.31 4550.61 4555.04 4557.1 4557.4 4558.91 4560.22 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4536.518 4536.792 4536.518 4536.792 . 4536.792 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4550.801 4553.004 4550.83 4552.96 Oh , so the spec to the other conversation , yeah . 4550.96 4552.58 4552.96 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4563.789 4570.116 4563.83 4570.116 Yeah , that's that's solved now . Yeah , test . We have to test . 4564.28 4566.71 4567.27 4568.79 4569.47 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4564.256 4564.595 4564.28 4564.48 Mm-hmm . 4564.48 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4565.655 4566.486 4565.75 4566.42 We think . 4566.42 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4567.817 4589.226 4567.94 4589.13 We believe . Right . So that's that that that should be done this week . Um in fact like tomorrow for example . Um the shape all the shape problems are solved . Generating shapes , no problem . Um scoring shape overlap , no problem . Nothing is problem there . There are no visual display problems . 4569.0 4569.22 4572.47 4576.27 4579.01 4580.51 4581.47 4584.14 4585.12 4586.49 4589.13 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4569.992 4570.316 4570.06 4570.25 Yep . 4570.25 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4587.849 4589.329 4587.89 4589.22 Well you don't have your models , or do you ? 4588.86 4589.22 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4595.008 4595.472 4595.07 4595.29 Mm-hmm . 4595.29 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4598.448 4599.472 4598.59 4599.472 Yeah , they had their 4598.83 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4600.688 4604.768 4600.71 4604.768 They had their inspection last week . Um J_P_ staggered away from it and 4602.55 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4609.76 4610.144 4609.8 4610.07 Ah . 4610.07 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4623.309 4623.741 4623.38 4623.64 Yeah . 4623.64 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4627.168 4629.843 4627.19 4629.71 Yeah . Well , uh anything you actually need fixed . 4627.71 4627.89 4629.71 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4631.104 4631.512 4631.19 4631.46 Mm-hmm . 4631.46 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4631.256 4631.63 4631.28 4631.53 You know . 4631.53 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4631.982 4632.331 4632.04 4632.22 Yep . 4632.22 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4632.992 4633.565 4633.06 4633.5 Okay . S 4633.33 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4635.33 4638.59 4635.38 4638.59 Joe doesn't live here anymore , right ? So 4637.13 4637.46 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4641.296 4648.288 4641.32 4648.25 Well , i but he wasn't gonna be booking any time to us after the thirty first of October . So um 4641.62 4646.35 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4649.632 4656.61 4649.68 4656.52 that that means that any bugs that need fixed are now Craig's responsibility , right ? You don't know have any change on that , right ? 4653.84 4654.74 4656.25 4656.52 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4654.831 4655.587 4654.88 4655.53 Okay . Fair enough . 4655.21 4655.53 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4658.016 4661.517 4658.04 4661.41 Um I haven't I haven't had any discussions with him since . 4661.41 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4658.005 4668.416 4658.09 4668.36 'Cause he that's what he said to us originally . So I would assume , you know , no more contact with Joe . It's not fair to get work out of somebody for free . So you know , ask Craig instead . 4660.3 4661.71 4662.01 4663.09 4665.91 4667.43 4668.36 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4667.999 4668.482 4668.1 4668.37 Okay . 4668.37 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4671.488 4678.4 4671.51 4678.22 Well , he's ph he's physically here . If we want to pay him for some more time we can do that . Would that be a just better use of our time in get 4671.77 4673.02 4675.84 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4671.86 4672.326 4671.9 4672.25 Yeah . 4672.25 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4677.49 4678.319 4677.57 4678.319 I don't think - EN2009d B FEE096 1 4682.24 4682.712 4682.29 4682.67 Yeah . 4682.67 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4683.958 4688.545 4684.0 4688.48 Well w he wasn't paid in advance . He's being paid in arrears . So it doesn't matter . 4686.71 4687.54 4688.48 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4687.782 4688.356 4687.85 4688.23 Right . 4688.23 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4691.378 4692.301 4691.44 4692.301 Uh I think it's - EN2009d B FEE096 1 4691.584 4697.12 4691.67 4697.12 But m he he he is around and I believe . And if if the if i if it's a 4694.17 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4695.461 4701.923 4695.53 4701.923 I think it's better to have all the software . I mean it's not big things , it's just maintenance at this program at this point and 4698.01 4699.13 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4701.12 4712.596 4701.16 4712.55 Right . But if um if everybody has a lot to do and , you know , Joe could give it a couple of hours , which i is what it might take just to fix it , then let's do it because starting run-time is now getting to be fairly urgent . 4701.68 4704.29 4704.56 4705.81 4708.32 4712.55 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4711.607 4727.236 4711.64 4727.12 Yeah . I if he can give it , you know , like because the problem is you gotta have an immediately when you discover a bug in that . And we can make Craig shift all his other priorities to do this 'cause we bought him . Right . Yeah . So it's a kinder way . It yeah . 4711.89 4713.05 4713.37 4716.97 4721.59 4724.33 4724.65 4725.93 4727.12 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4713.92 4714.224 4714.03 4714.17 Mm-hmm . 4714.17 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4716.944 4717.394 4716.98 4717.25 Mm-hmm . 4717.25 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4720.4 4731.245 4720.42 4731.12 Right . Right . But we can't we can't make Joe do this ec alright , so there's uh some trade-off between availability and speed from start to finish , given that this is somebody else's code . So you know . 4721.53 4722.28 4724.68 4729.0 4730.57 4731.12 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4729.905 4738.923 4729.93 4738.923 Yeah . But it sounds like you don't think there's anything that actually needs fixed at the moment . Because w we only need this to work well enough that you can use it for something and you got work rats . So 4730.73 4734.34 4738.56 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4731.006 4731.846 4731.07 4731.79 Well yeah . Yeah . 4731.61 4731.79 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4737.2 4742.346 4737.52 4742.346 Right , so we're we're b we're building models . Right . We're we um 4737.83 4740.67 4740.93 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4740.927 4744.163 4740.96 4744.13 And how many models do you need to completion ? And how long does that take ? 4743.17 4744.13 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4744.624 4746.016 4744.7 4745.97 We have the design somewhere . 4745.97 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4748.903 4749.917 4748.95 4749.917 And you got - EN2009d B FEE096 1 4748.966 4749.64 4749.07 4749.57 Mm . 4749.57 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4751.76 4753.024 4751.91 4753.024 Hmm . Well 4752.39 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4752.823 4754.519 4752.86 4754.48 And you know about complexity ? 4754.48 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4756.629 4757.793 4756.67 4757.7 You're waiting on Marloes . 4757.7 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4757.796 4758.272 4757.9 4758.2 Mm-hmm . 4758.2 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4763.024 4763.648 4763.1 4763.56 Okay . 4763.56 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4764.896 4767.932 4764.92 4767.77 You can cold call her today , this afternoon . 4767.2 4767.77 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4769.216 4773.682 4769.26 4773.65 Yeah . I think so . 'Cause um I have to check back with 4770.43 4770.95 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4775.705 4779.275 4775.9 4779.275 with J_P_ fairly soon . Okay , he wanted to kn um 4777.59 4777.89 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4780.597 4795.536 4780.597 4795.37 The eighteen the next eighteen month plan , great . Deliverables , great . Progress with the experiment , well that's what we're doing now . Okay . So what do we think , if you have a fairly hectic week , are we looking for subjects next week ? 4783.85 4784.65 4785.58 4786.1 4787.44 4789.23 4790.11 4791.76 4793.8 4795.37 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4797.536 4798.144 4797.76 4798.08 Okay . 4798.08 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4799.232 4835.504 4799.34 4835.36 Ads go up . Yeah , I do . I do . But I think ad should probably go up this week . We want people for n for next week . Is that okay ? Is anybody now terrified at the thought that we're live next week ? There are people coming in here one after another . Or p two two after two , more likely . Yeah . Yeah . Okay , is the is this is this generalised is this generalised anxiety , Robin ? Or do you have a specific thing that okay . So aside from the usual angst which we all suffer when we go live . So we w we wanna do some piloting at the end of the week ? 4800.67 4801.06 4801.86 4802.45 4805.17 4807.37 4807.8 4811.02 4814.21 4816.53 4818.11 4818.91 4819.6 4819.95 4823.4 4823.79 4829.33 4832.78 4835.36 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4807.242 4807.633 4807.32 4807.53 Mm-hmm . 4807.53 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4817.211 4822.049 4817.211 4822.049 That's her job . Come on . 4820.68 4821.96 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4827.177 4827.566 4827.29 4827.44 Yeah . 4827.44 EN2009d D MEE095 3 4836.696 4848.156 4836.78 4848.02 Yep . Yeah . So we'll we'll get we'll get the get the audio stuff tested , you know , single microphones . Um yeah . Get that tested next couple days and I assu I assume that's not something you need me for t in terms of that . 4837.24 4837.44 4840.09 4840.54 4841.93 4842.97 4848.02 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4837.107 4837.664 4837.22 4837.52 Right . 4837.52 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4844.932 4845.597 4845.04 4845.47 Okay . 4845.47 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4848.592 4849.6 4848.63 4849.47 Right . S 4849.31 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4854.896 4860.448 4854.92 4860.24 Right . She's using but she's actually relaxed that somewhat . Yeah . 4855.57 4859.94 4860.24 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4855.185 4856.784 4855.185 4856.41 Oh yeah . 4856.41 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4859.446 4859.945 4859.49 4859.91 Okay . 4859.91 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4865.344 4865.723 4865.39 4865.59 Mm-hmm . 4865.59 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4871.504 4871.943 4871.54 4871.82 Mm-hmm . 4871.82 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4877.392 4879.257 4877.41 4879.257 Ostensibly booked time , which isn't 4878.59 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4880.096 4884.181 4880.12 4883.98 So you can dash in there for half an hour at a time ? Doesn't sound very useful for you . 4882.63 4883.98 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4886.692 4890.535 4886.78 4890.34 Uh-huh . Okay , well . You guys sort it out . 4888.01 4888.56 4889.59 4890.34 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4888.79 4914.317 4888.84 4914.18 Okay . We've but we have we have a solid booking for all the mornings anyway . Right ? And l except by permission of us , alright . We own it . Um so we can change that . I mean they everybody acknowledged the the other week that we that we had priority . Oh yeah . Yeah , yeah , yeah . Oh yeah , yeah . Oh yeah , yeah . Don't worry . Um there's there's a booking system , right . So it's public what's booked and what isn't . 4889.38 4892.6 4893.29 4895.71 4896.0 4897.1 4900.12 4906.07 4906.41 4906.58 4906.77 4907.09 4907.45 4907.86 4908.14 4908.89 4909.91 4912.21 4912.52 4914.18 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4896.127 4896.645 4896.19 4896.52 Mm-hmm . 4896.52 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4903.923 4908.88 4904.02 4908.88 Right , but it would be kind to tell her ahead of time which of your morning sessions you're bumped . Yeah . 4904.37 4907.76 4908.5 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4914.939 4918.529 4915.05 4918.45 Mm-hmm . I thought that was the problem that your mornings weren't sliced off on the booking system . 4915.43 4918.45 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4915.616 4915.984 4915.64 4915.87 Okay . 4915.87 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4920.0 4920.455 4920.11 4920.4 No . 4920.4 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4922.01 4938.224 4922.08 4938.224 Alright , maybe w should get on there and book mornings as far as the eye can see . Alright . Uh-huh . Yeah , just a well we think we spoke to all the people who who used those facilities the other day . But we could be wrong . So 4922.39 4926.96 4928.59 4930.03 4930.34 4935.4 4937.37 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4928.944 4931.841 4928.96 4931.841 'Cause you know , i if you're sa told use the booking system 4929.44 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4940.542 4940.708 4940.57 4940.67 Huh . 4940.67 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4942.384 4958.664 4942.46 4958.59 Yeah . And what are the instr what are the people upstairs downstairs have um i you know , as rules about who you hand the keys to . 'Cause , you know , we like people to know to ground the oh I thought the the lending for the booking system Caroline . 4943.88 4948.33 4951.75 4951.91 4952.1 4958.59 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4942.704 4943.264 4942.75 4943.08 Right . 4943.08 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4951.152 4953.777 4951.2 4953.777 Um well the two key holders are here . 4953.66 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4956.288 4956.928 4956.32 4956.79 Oh I see . 4956.79 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4959.728 4963.488 4959.75 4963.4 From Caroline ? Or the general office ? The general office . I see . 4960.33 4961.65 4962.86 4963.4 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4962.815 4965.451 4962.84 4965.451 See , 'cause you're supposed to uh have training in 4963.04 EN2009d B FEE096 1 4965.04 4994.192 4965.06 4994.13 But no , they need a they need an account on this machine to actually to use it . They need account on these machines so that they could book . They couldn't actually log in . Mm-hmm . Okay . We're also working on a way of making sure that the matin that the machines return to zero state when they're when you come off them . because the it's the people have been leaving var um well , people have been leaving various bits of who knows what around on them , right , which which we think is what's critical . 4965.37 4969.36 4971.74 4974.28 4975.84 4976.51 4984.95 4988.23 4990.73 4990.94 4994.13 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4969.812 4976.867 4969.91 4976.69 Oh okay , so that's the safety . And you control those accounts . Oh okay , that's fair enough . Okay . 4970.42 4972.84 4974.41 4974.89 4976.43 4976.69 EN2009d A FEE083 0 4983.504 4988.312 4983.54 4988.312 Uh-huh , yeah . That's safer . 'Cause then they learn the first time . 4983.9 4984.65 4986.15 4988.25 EN2009d A FEE083 0 5001.812 5008.704 5001.89 5008.56 Yeah , yeah . Okay . I really have to get out of here . So um what else is important before you run ? 5002.08 5003.55 5004.6 5005.65 5008.56 EN2009d B FEE096 1 5005.517 5006.074 5005.6 5006.02 Okay . 5006.02 EN2009d B FEE096 1 5010.576 5025.696 5010.6 5025.61 Um piloting piloting piloting . You have we have to build the things . We have to try the machi th things . We have to check them with Marloes and J_P_ that they like the representation , the variables , right . How about uh you have any time on Friday ? 5012.6 5014.27 5016.03 5021.56 5022.77 5023.53 5025.61 EN2009d A FEE083 0 5010.521 5011.377 5010.61 5011.28 Nothing , right ? 5011.01 5011.28 EN2009d A FEE083 0 5013.19 5014.637 5013.22 5014.6 You got uh willing heads . 5014.6 EN2009d A FEE083 0 5026.659 5030.524 5026.72 5030.524 Oh , I don't think I brought my diary up . Uh but maybe . Why ? 5027.07 5028.38 5030.0 5030.46 EN2009d B FEE096 1 5029.936 5040.608 5029.96 5040.56 I get a email back . Maybe you and I should be the pilot subjects . First pilot subjects , the ones who um know which questions we wanna ask . And then we should get another pair who are naive to the whole thing . 5030.8 5033.19 5034.3 5037.1 5040.56 EN2009d A FEE083 0 5040.912 5042.162 5040.93 5042.162 Okay . So 5041.56 EN2009d B FEE096 1 5041.664 5042.128 5041.73 5042.09 Okay . 5042.09 EN2009d A FEE083 0 5044.48 5044.906 5044.5 5044.87 Yeah . 5044.87 EN2009d A FEE083 0 5046.128 5046.544 5046.16 5046.46 Mm-hmm . 5046.46 EN2009d B FEE096 1 5046.352 5061.984 5046.352 5061.94 This is generalised floating anxiety . No no . It's it's it's wisdom . But yeah . Well um because actually we can I mean uh , you know , if we make comments , they feed back in a lo into the development . 5050.33 5050.7 5052.0 5054.35 5057.84 5058.14 5058.88 5061.94 EN2009d A FEE083 0 5065.888 5071.303 5065.91 5071.19 Hmm . So do you know what time of day you might want ? 'Cause I should c I should check that . 5067.53 5069.53 5071.19 EN2009d A FEE083 0 5076.416 5076.88 5076.45 5076.84 Okay . 5076.84 EN2009d D MEE095 3 5079.936 5095.727 5079.936 5095.66 . You don't you don't need me involved in the pilot , do you . So well unle unless unless it's a bug report , yeah . I'll w yeah w I'll I'll I'll b I'll be around . But yeah , I'll make sure . But ho hopefully it will run smoothly and yeah , I can relax . So 5079.936 5082.44 5082.66 5086.71 5088.15 5089.82 5090.13 5091.02 5094.4 5095.44 EN2009d A FEE083 0 5084.736 5089.289 5084.78 5089.2 You all have to b you'll have to be there to when it falls over . 5089.2 EN2009d A FEE083 0 5094.761 5096.823 5094.8 5096.61 Yeah . Okay . 5096.22 5096.61 EN2009d A FEE083 0 5098.494 5100.544 5098.57 5100.26 So that all sounds f good fun . 5100.26 EN2009d A FEE083 0 5113.017 5114.896 5113.1 5114.8 Well I can just leave you guys here , you know . 5114.5 5114.8 EN2009d A FEE083 0 5120.63 5122.22 5120.63 5122.06 Why not . 5122.06 IN1001 B MIO016 1 32.917 33.529 33.1 33.44 Oh yeah . 33.44 IN1001 B MIO016 1 41.431 47.114 41.58 47.114 You don't put your headset microphone ? 47.05 IN1001 A MIO024 0 77.989 83.394 78.01 83.36 So we are here to just make the point . Well make the point , yeah . 82.29 83.2 83.36 IN1001 A MIO024 0 85.172 88.007 85.22 87.89 Make the status about the shot detection . 87.89 IN1001 B MIO016 1 88.754 89.444 88.81 89.29 Okay . 89.29 IN1001 A MIO024 0 89.616 121.208 89.64 121.07 To so you have applied the shot detector to some of the CINETIS video , or at least one , and uh so we can basically maybe just comment on on this , maybe quickly remind what the shot detector is how the shot detector is working , basically . Uh we might be able anyway to give you some reference . I mean your report it's it should be described there or yeah , yeah . You have the report ? Okay . 94.93 96.4 101.05 107.22 108.27 114.1 118.36 119.13 120.49 121.07 IN1001 B MIO016 1 94.862 95.485 94.94 95.23 Yeah . 95.23 IN1001 C MIO066 2 106.732 107.139 106.79 106.97 Hmm . 106.97 IN1001 B MIO016 1 115.053 115.618 115.14 115.49 Yeah . 115.49 IN1001 B MIO016 1 117.092 132.055 117.15 132.0 Yeah , I have actually yeah , the we can see the report here and the demo , and the goal of uh this meeting is to present the video shot detector to Olivier , okay . 117.54 118.86 123.91 131.69 132.0 IN1001 A MIO024 0 130.61 132.099 130.67 131.98 To Olivier , yeah . 131.75 131.98 IN1001 C MIO066 2 132.199 132.64 132.28 132.6 Yes . 132.6 IN1001 B MIO016 1 134.967 170.285 135.05 170.09 Okay . So yeah , it was my project um during my internship at IDIAP under the supervision of Jean-Marc . And as you saw as you saw in the email I sent uh okay . I didn't send this video is the new one . I just um uh processed from your images . Yeah . But uh let's let's start by the video from Friday . CINETIS demo one . 135.62 136.21 144.2 153.13 155.78 163.25 163.62 168.45 170.09 IN1001 A MIO024 0 162.483 168.237 162.55 168.06 Ah , okay , yes , the kayak wi I was not even with the other one , okay . 162.73 162.97 163.23 167.65 168.06 IN1001 A MIO024 0 171.18 178.647 171.23 178.647 By the way , I was uh going to ask , so I had seen the video , i you uh did um a downsampling of the video , right ? I mean 171.65 172.91 173.94 177.84 178.07 IN1001 A MIO024 0 180.419 182.972 180.44 182.84 For uh browsing I mean . Okay , yeah . 182.33 182.64 182.84 IN1001 B MIO016 1 181.906 182.313 181.99 182.18 Yeah . 182.18 IN1001 B MIO016 1 187.25 189.223 187.25 189.223 So this was uh - IN1001 B MIO016 1 191.119 191.743 191.19 191.6 Okay . 191.6 IN1001 A MIO024 0 191.904 196.319 191.92 196.319 So this is hierarchical normally , so you have scenes and shots , but 193.59 195.97 IN1001 B MIO016 1 194.72 200.743 194.72 200.743 Yeah , here on the left you have different things , but uh as applied 195.93 197.85 IN1001 C MIO066 2 195.625 196.473 195.71 196.29 Mm 'kay . 196.29 IN1001 A MIO024 0 197.792 209.154 197.792 209.04 Because for instance we could probably , you know , like group all the initial ones into one scene and maybe after , when there's some things inside , it s should be another scene , so . 201.6 201.95 205.84 207.29 208.73 209.04 IN1001 C MIO066 2 198.331 200.542 198.45 200.34 Okay , this is . 199.45 200.34 IN1001 C MIO066 2 207.562 208.286 207.62 208.17 Okay . 208.17 IN1001 B MIO016 1 209.382 248.583 209.61 248.45 So this detector uh detected the thirty shots , and if you click on uh plus button you can expand it and see the key frames that are in fact uh five extracted frames from the shot . But I think th uh as it is , it's t extracted uh without uh using sub-shots , uh it's simply uh five down-sam yeah , down-sampling . Um so I we can see the video actually , uh the entire video , can open with Real Player . I hope it will work . 215.36 227.69 229.82 233.01 236.58 238.29 243.2 245.1 247.39 248.45 IN1001 C MIO066 2 219.008 219.599 219.14 219.48 Mm-hmm . 219.48 IN1001 C MIO066 2 225.812 226.469 225.93 226.41 Okay . 226.41 IN1001 A MIO024 0 225.854 228.746 225.96 228.746 Which are extracted I think uh - IN1001 A MIO024 0 234.744 235.9 234.81 235.76 Downsampling . 235.76 IN1001 C MIO066 2 236.93 237.521 237.04 237.42 Okay . 237.42 IN1001 A MIO024 0 242.7 243.157 242.76 243.07 Yeah . 243.07 IN1001 B MIO016 1 255.195 264.583 255.23 264.583 So we don't have the the sound , and it won't be grabbed the video won't uh I don't know if uh 259.83 IN1001 B MIO016 1 265.772 267.626 265.85 267.47 Okay , it's not good quality . 266.12 267.47 IN1001 A MIO024 0 267.963 274.674 268.05 274.6 Yeah , the quality is that's why I was asking that . It it's not this that you processed , right ? Okay , okay . 268.31 271.53 273.37 273.76 274.24 274.6 IN1001 B MIO016 1 271.275 272.074 271.32 271.95 Oh yeah , yeah , yeah . 271.63 271.72 271.95 IN1001 B MIO016 1 273.264 277.354 273.29 277.23 No no no no no no . It's in Real Media , so it's very compressed . 274.63 275.83 277.23 IN1001 A MIO024 0 277.201 287.957 277.25 287.957 So here we see that we the shot at eighteenth and after twenty twos and after again . And uh if we go down , I mean maybe in terms of shot here , we can see that 283.07 285.05 286.97 IN1001 C MIO066 2 277.326 278.041 277.44 277.97 Okay . 277.97 IN1001 C MIO066 2 283.62 284.069 283.64 283.92 'Kay . 283.92 IN1001 A MIO024 0 289.94 294.51 290.09 294.42 Right , I mean so now we see shot seven I suppose , yeah . 290.34 294.06 294.42 IN1001 C MIO066 2 299.901 300.641 300.02 300.54 Okay . 300.54 IN1001 A MIO024 0 302.878 307.201 303.05 307.11 Uh yeah , okay , shot nine currently , shot ten probably . 303.48 303.76 305.15 307.11 IN1001 B MIO016 1 303.261 305.905 303.65 305.74 Uh okay . 305.74 IN1001 A MIO024 0 308.965 315.676 309.12 315.57 Eleven or twelve . No , eleven . Or no this is ten indeed , okay . Yeah . 310.95 311.25 312.52 314.27 315.36 315.57 IN1001 B MIO016 1 312.356 316.979 312.48 316.979 Uh ten yeah . And then there's um 315.29 IN1001 A MIO024 0 317.008 320.94 317.03 320.86 Yeah , this one , it's eleven , twelve 317.39 318.75 320.35 IN1001 C MIO066 2 317.467 318.082 317.52 318.02 Mm-hmm . 318.02 IN1001 B MIO016 1 319.859 320.408 319.95 320.27 Okay . 320.27 IN1001 A MIO024 0 322.386 323.862 322.48 323.81 or fourteen seconds . 323.81 IN1001 C MIO066 2 327.907 328.547 327.98 328.4 Okay . 328.4 IN1001 A MIO024 0 330.574 341.392 330.574 341.392 Yeah , okay . Okay . Yeah , it's inside and yeah . It's really a dissolve or is it really like is you have the feeling that it's both 330.78 331.28 331.51 331.65 334.64 IN1001 B MIO016 1 332.132 344.164 332.21 344.0 Yes . And this one , yeah , it's a dissolve it's a dissolve , so it doesn't detect yeah , when I saw the M_ with M_ Player , it's a dissolve , yeah . 333.93 334.61 334.81 337.56 340.23 342.12 343.66 344.0 IN1001 C MIO066 2 337.487 338.643 337.96 338.47 Okay . 338.47 IN1001 A MIO024 0 342.816 343.307 342.85 343.23 Okay . 343.23 IN1001 A MIO024 0 347.282 364.423 347.38 364.36 But it's it's it's not standard man-made movies , because I would say most of the time people couldn didn't do any dissolve . Yeah , I could see here , I mean , that it was like horse it was only one single one . 351.36 359.75 359.94 360.73 360.97 364.36 IN1001 C MIO066 2 354.41 354.893 354.48 354.85 Hmm . 354.85 IN1001 C MIO066 2 356.348 356.822 356.45 356.7 Mm . 356.7 IN1001 B MIO016 1 360.613 362.401 360.7 362.26 Yeah . Okay . 361.9 362.26 IN1001 B MIO016 1 363.814 370.905 363.89 370.81 Yeah . I don't know if this one if we see was correctly uh , you see ? Yeah . 364.37 369.18 370.2 370.81 IN1001 A MIO024 0 369.613 382.473 369.7 382.34 N yeah , yeah . This is the one I I had seen , yeah . But as I said , I mean uh with even the motion detector , when it's black it's there is not s no structure , so you don't esti yeah , but you don't really estimate motion . 370.18 370.71 372.24 373.11 374.19 376.21 378.93 380.64 382.34 IN1001 B MIO016 1 372.61 372.925 372.71 372.87 Yeah . 372.87 IN1001 B MIO016 1 378.764 385.346 378.98 385.25 But there is a moon . But okay , because there is no motion in fact between the two shots . 380.86 382.44 385.25 IN1001 A MIO024 0 384.361 414.471 384.46 414.36 Well , there is no structure . There is no texture , if you want to say so , and this is this is not so good for the motion . Uh but for instance of course between the horse and uh and um the c the c uh uh yeah . Uh the cows , yeah , maybe we could have detected things . But it's not even sure , because the background is quite similar and uh it's it's it's not that sure . 384.62 386.69 387.59 388.42 391.03 400.48 403.59 406.22 407.72 408.85 414.36 IN1001 B MIO016 1 387.508 388.854 387.55 388.71 Yeah , okay , okay . 387.9 388.27 388.71 IN1001 B MIO016 1 403.981 405.817 404.16 405.7 The cow ? Yeah . 405.36 405.7 IN1001 B MIO016 1 408.945 409.67 409.11 409.49 Mm-hmm . 409.49 IN1001 B MIO016 1 414.293 428.377 414.36 428.377 Yeah , maybe to explain this method was using uh a simple uh uh distance between uh consecutive histograms , and we didn't use motion features at all for that , that's why i we 414.57 423.87 427.25 IN1001 C MIO066 2 423.379 423.961 423.51 423.86 Okay . 423.86 IN1001 C MIO066 2 426.114 426.605 426.19 426.46 Mm . 426.46 IN1001 A MIO024 0 427.982 473.092 428.03 473.02 So it's yeah . The histogram , so we have experience with it . So it's it's scrambled , so you can scramble the image and you get the same histogram . So there is no structure indeed , so of course when you look the horse and then you can see as a cow the cows , of course you have a black in the top and uh you have also uh maybe eighty percent of like green uh , which is even not green there but uh uh grass . You have stones and uh so there of course are differences , because on the one hand you have horse , but it's black , so you have more sky , which is black on the right , so you don't care about this . So it's a glo it's global it's a global histogram , so yeah . 429.11 430.3 432.43 433.82 439.3 441.64 445.79 453.2 457.34 461.24 462.85 463.93 464.96 466.53 469.84 472.24 473.02 IN1001 C MIO066 2 431.095 432.681 431.2 432.55 Yeah . Yeah . 431.55 432.55 IN1001 B MIO016 1 431.515 432.854 431.66 432.47 Yeah , okay . 432.28 432.47 IN1001 C MIO066 2 436.772 437.379 436.85 437.21 Okay . 437.21 IN1001 C MIO066 2 439.058 439.449 439.13 439.34 Yeah . 439.34 IN1001 C MIO066 2 440.916 441.523 440.96 441.39 Okay . 441.39 IN1001 C MIO066 2 453.404 454.036 453.53 453.96 Mm-hmm . 453.96 IN1001 C MIO066 2 467.661 468.285 467.82 468.11 Okay . 468.11 IN1001 C MIO066 2 473.354 473.803 473.39 473.67 'Kay . 473.67 IN1001 A MIO024 0 475.496 487.52 475.89 487.38 But it's when for this I would for this application I could imagine that it would were quite high . Uh and it's a threshold but still it's adaptive , right , if I remember well , yeah . 482.11 485.75 485.95 487.12 487.38 IN1001 C MIO066 2 480.212 480.86 480.31 480.71 Hmm . 480.71 IN1001 B MIO016 1 480.539 481.395 480.81 481.395 Enough - IN1001 B MIO016 1 485.746 489.398 485.86 489.27 Yeah . Yeah . With a sliding window . 486.8 487.69 489.27 IN1001 C MIO066 2 488.925 490.346 489.01 490.21 Yeah . Okay . 489.83 490.21 IN1001 A MIO024 0 489.709 505.509 490.32 505.08 So . Because of course if you just compute the yeah , if you have the report because if you compute the um distance between the two histograms , I think this was Bhattacharya ? Right . So now we know . 491.29 495.09 500.14 502.17 502.84 505.08 IN1001 B MIO016 1 493.649 495.395 493.76 495.395 I can show you uh - IN1001 B MIO016 1 501.756 502.172 501.78 502.12 Yeah . 502.12 IN1001 C MIO066 2 502.834 505.12 502.85 505.12 Hmm . Okay . 503.59 505.08 IN1001 A MIO024 0 505.509 543.527 505.64 543.47 And uh so if you take uh these two with the with the Bhattacharya uh then of course you should just do a threshold . When there is motion you will see a lot of things changing , so by using an L_R_T_T_ threshold , if you see that there is a continuous change of the d distance , you don't do a threshold . It's only if you have an identified peak , which is m fifty percent or maybe uh two times higher than the the next second value in the window , then you say it's it's a shot . Right , I don't know . 515.43 519.28 521.35 525.69 526.82 529.43 539.07 542.52 542.81 543.47 IN1001 C MIO066 2 519.238 519.945 519.44 519.62 Okay . 519.62 IN1001 C MIO066 2 528.923 529.53 529.03 529.42 Okay . 529.42 IN1001 B MIO016 1 541.392 605.222 541.41 604.87 Yeah . I don't know if we c we want to make uh use the whiteboard or here it's uh it was uh to dis it's infra only the this part about uh shot boundary detection is in French unfortunately , but uh the this image shows the results using motion when you s use the motion features , and here on the right is when using the histogram uh distance . And the the motion features can better show what's going on when there is such a difficult uh transition , while with the histogram um , yeah , it just shows that there is a shot uh change at the end , but even for dissolves , I don't have examples here , but um there is not a strict uh transition . Uh it's continuous for dissolves . Dissolves is uh yeah . 542.8 557.18 567.47 573.04 582.57 586.58 586.74 591.09 592.78 594.07 599.53 603.6 604.87 IN1001 A MIO024 0 553.634 554.457 553.69 554.3 Yeah , yeah . 553.96 554.3 IN1001 A MIO024 0 557.575 558.387 557.94 558.15 Yeah . 558.15 IN1001 C MIO066 2 573.572 574.17 573.64 574.08 Okay . 574.08 IN1001 C MIO066 2 598.63 599.195 598.72 599.03 Mm-hmm . 599.03 IN1001 A MIO024 0 599.636 621.497 599.79 620.82 It's continuous for dissolve , yeah . But an anyway it's difficult , I mean in th in in in general , because sometimes you have some dissolve you could imagine they are part of of of a scene and uh so , but of course when you have cuts you can see they are easy to detect , right , I mean like something yeah . 601.72 603.42 606.4 608.49 616.04 619.01 619.27 620.82 IN1001 C MIO066 2 601.756 605.51 601.81 605.11 Okay . Yeah , okay . Yeah , I understand . Okay . 602.98 603.19 603.91 604.05 604.88 605.11 IN1001 C MIO066 2 614.989 615.546 615.2 615.42 Yeah . 615.42 IN1001 C MIO066 2 619.723 620.596 619.81 620.47 Yeah , okay . 620.03 620.47 IN1001 B MIO016 1 619.775 620.34 619.95 620.21 Yeah . 620.21 IN1001 A MIO024 0 621.497 647.087 621.81 647.087 So uh yeah , so with the motion basically the motion tried to estimate well the motion between two frames , right , if my image is there but after it's there , and it looks at how many points c are well matched . So you can see that like somebody speaking and so and so before the sh before the shot you can see that usually there are like ninety percent of the points at least , right , who have some motion , so uh 623.94 628.74 629.16 631.53 634.95 643.64 643.91 644.8 IN1001 C MIO066 2 624.288 625.163 624.45 624.98 Okay . 624.98 IN1001 C MIO066 2 629.149 629.814 629.24 629.61 Okay . 629.61 IN1001 C MIO066 2 634.712 635.352 634.78 635.17 Okay . 635.17 IN1001 C MIO066 2 643.516 644.198 643.64 643.98 Hmm . 643.98 IN1001 A MIO024 0 647.087 664.155 647.4 664.01 But then after suddenly if you go from one frame and you try to match all the points here with like a translation , plus the zoom plus maybe some rotation , you c you can find anything well , right , so basically you would see that the number of points maybe only ten percent of the points you can match well , so it's easy to detect . 652.88 655.03 657.04 657.55 662.88 664.01 IN1001 C MIO066 2 652.459 652.958 652.6 652.92 Mm-hmm . 652.92 IN1001 C MIO066 2 654.448 654.914 654.51 654.88 Mm-hmm . 654.88 IN1001 C MIO066 2 656.982 657.497 657.03 657.41 Hmm . 657.41 IN1001 C MIO066 2 662.315 662.988 662.37 662.93 Okay . 662.93 IN1001 A MIO024 0 664.155 696.14 664.35 696.14 And uh after you can see that indeed because it's a long shot and it's almost like a flat plane , you can do a very good registration through the number of points . Is very high , I mean the number of points that are matching . Uh and here you basically here with a histogram uh you can see it very flat , but of course you should go from this histogram to this which is essentially green . You have this big uh measure , which is here uh the chi two I don't know whether this is what you implement is used in the no it's 670.71 674.76 675.56 677.8 683.15 687.43 689.27 IN1001 C MIO066 2 670.811 671.78 671.25 671.44 Yeah . 671.44 IN1001 C MIO066 2 674.207 677.101 674.29 676.68 Okay . We'll see . Okay . 675.64 676.28 676.68 IN1001 C MIO066 2 688.037 689.085 688.037 688.98 see the cut . 688.98 IN1001 B MIO016 1 694.367 699.863 694.44 699.73 No no , now it's uh well for the video you saw it wa it's Bhattacharya . 694.97 699.73 IN1001 A MIO024 0 699.215 700.711 699.32 700.58 It's Bhattacharya . Okay . 700.29 700.58 IN1001 C MIO066 2 700.881 701.547 701.03 701.44 Okay . 701.44 IN1001 A MIO024 0 702.324 712.055 702.4 712.055 Yeah , so yeah , and you have maybe a one image with a um adaptive threshold , I think . You had something like this , right ? Just to explain uh how 702.75 704.53 707.69 708.1 709.35 710.3 IN1001 B MIO016 1 708.429 708.953 708.54 708.84 Yeah . 708.84 IN1001 B MIO016 1 712.603 713.924 712.66 713.8 Okay , set the beginning . 712.92 713.8 IN1001 A MIO024 0 713.885 715.428 713.97 715.428 Yeah , uh 714.34 IN1001 A MIO024 0 717.392 719.048 717.41 718.91 Yeah , you see like here . Yeah . 717.63 718.82 718.91 IN1001 B MIO016 1 720.662 752.423 720.662 752.423 So there is the idea is having a sliding window . Um we have already all the data that is on the graph . And then to detect uh the the the the changes , we we do a calculation um with points under this sliding window within this sliding window . And uh we calculate so what do we here ? Um 726.22 732.19 736.22 747.0 751.35 IN1001 C MIO066 2 725.791 726.331 725.87 726.21 Mm-hmm . 726.21 IN1001 C MIO066 2 731.918 732.699 732.03 732.39 Okay . 732.39 IN1001 B MIO016 1 754.079 763.219 754.27 763.219 In fa we want to detect that uh this points in the middle is higher than uh - IN1001 A MIO024 0 765.044 770.0 765.12 769.88 Alpha times the maximum of the other ones . Of the other ones . 768.97 769.88 IN1001 B MIO016 1 765.156 765.772 765.47 765.69 Th - IN1001 C MIO066 2 767.225 769.787 767.225 769.34 Okay . 769.34 IN1001 B MIO016 1 768.46 771.944 768.57 771.91 Exactly , yeah . Alpha . Alpha times the maximum of the other ones . 769.02 769.61 770.14 771.91 IN1001 C MIO066 2 770.519 771.359 770.6 771.27 Okay . 771.27 IN1001 A MIO024 0 772.145 788.194 772.17 788.04 So the of course if it's you are not a maximum , you are not going i inside the window you are not the max , anyway you are not going to be to be above uh alpha times the max of the others , right , uh because alpha is low lower than one . Uh . 775.43 778.61 784.03 784.53 787.45 788.04 IN1001 B MIO016 1 780.976 782.331 781.22 782.331 The c - IN1001 C MIO066 2 784.516 785.157 784.58 784.99 Okay . 784.99 IN1001 B MIO016 1 787.611 801.036 787.71 800.9 But if you are in the maximum already and at this point we check simply if uh this value is alpha times the the max of the other points , let's say these points here . 799.74 800.9 IN1001 A MIO024 0 799.538 808.251 799.66 807.96 Like for instance yeah . Like for instance here I I see six , but I don't know whether this was for Bhattacharya or for uh chi s chi two . 801.31 803.06 807.96 IN1001 C MIO066 2 801.681 803.178 801.79 803.06 Okay . Okay . 802.59 803.06 IN1001 B MIO016 1 807.298 820.081 807.44 819.99 Um i maybe for chi it's it six but uh , yeah , but uh for Bhattacharya it's for the tests I did it two point four . Yeah . 812.06 812.31 819.69 819.99 IN1001 A MIO024 0 809.748 810.363 809.8 810.28 Yeah . 810.28 IN1001 A MIO024 0 817.508 867.771 817.65 867.771 Yeah , yeah , yeah . Two point four , yeah , so it's a bit less because the amplitude is much smaller , yeah . uh yeah . So you can uh it was not so just I mean because the motion I mean it was uh in the shot we've seen , f because f especially with chi two square it r the amplitude it's much bigger than with Bhattacharya , right . Uh you can see that it could go to seven hundred , and when it's there is nothing , it's can be zero . With Bhattacharya it's between zero and one , so you have not so much amplitude . Um but uh still uh in some of the v these videos for instance even if we gon go now if we want to , but now for the kayak case , I don't know . Uh at some point targeting two kayaks and it's moving quite fast towards to other people . I don't know what happened there , if it was detected as a shot transition or 817.83 818.01 819.12 819.73 820.02 822.87 824.62 825.89 832.32 838.12 838.46 841.33 842.45 843.52 845.37 848.18 854.66 855.96 856.83 863.26 864.79 IN1001 B MIO016 1 822.138 822.82 822.138 822.75 Yeah . 822.75 IN1001 C MIO066 2 823.211 823.86 823.28 823.69 Hmm . 823.69 IN1001 B MIO016 1 825.108 825.796 825.3 825.61 Okay . 825.61 IN1001 B MIO016 1 829.238 830.028 829.42 830.028 No - IN1001 C MIO066 2 837.734 838.831 837.79 838.53 Yeah , okay . 838.13 838.53 IN1001 B MIO016 1 841.224 841.798 841.35 841.72 Mm . 841.72 IN1001 C MIO066 2 846.432 847.139 846.52 846.89 Okay . 846.89 IN1001 B MIO016 1 866.336 878.364 866.48 878.364 Uh i in the the first shot ? Yeah , I saw that it was detected as a shot , yeah . You want to see now ? Okay . But he didn't okay . 869.7 870.0 872.27 873.92 874.87 875.87 877.96 IN1001 A MIO024 0 869.259 870.139 869.35 869.86 Yeah , yeah . 869.69 869.86 IN1001 A MIO024 0 871.46 876.098 871.5 875.97 It was it as a shot , okay . I was uh wondering yeah yeah , maybe . 872.77 873.28 875.52 875.97 IN1001 A MIO024 0 877.428 884.418 877.52 884.418 But here for instance you understand so we can show this tomorrow to uh to the people at the ci CINETIS meeting , I mean to 883.64 IN1001 C MIO066 2 882.02 883.113 882.13 882.97 Yeah , okay . 882.49 882.97 IN1001 C MIO066 2 884.32 893.508 884.34 893.27 Okay . I will look to have a connection . Okay . Yeah . And we need a laptop or you have yours ? 884.81 888.53 889.77 890.98 893.27 IN1001 A MIO024 0 885.635 886.276 885.71 886.13 Right . 886.13 IN1001 A MIO024 0 887.531 889.642 887.6 889.54 Yeah , okay , yeah , we need a connection , that's true . 887.82 888.11 888.34 889.16 889.54 IN1001 A MIO024 0 890.935 898.703 891.1 898.5 Yeah , that's true . Yeah , I can bring my laptop if necessary , yeah , yeah . I'll I'll bring it , okay , so it's it's done . 891.28 893.05 893.35 895.36 895.57 895.75 896.67 897.03 898.5 IN1001 C MIO066 2 894.98 895.637 895.02 895.55 Okay . 895.55 IN1001 C MIO066 2 897.049 897.532 897.07 897.49 Okay . 897.49 IN1001 B MIO016 1 897.999 911.171 898.17 911.14 It is uh okay . This is IDIAP laptop , so you can u okay . So here in fact after twelve um I don't know if it's I think it's twelve frames . 899.34 900.58 902.57 911.14 IN1001 C MIO066 2 902.132 902.506 902.2 902.41 Yeah . 902.41 IN1001 A MIO024 0 911.089 916.177 911.18 916.177 Well yeah , but normally there is a a burning if you c maybe you can play the shot or 911.54 IN1001 C MIO066 2 912.343 913.466 912.48 913.29 Uh okay . 913.29 IN1001 B MIO016 1 916.64 917.064 916.69 917.01 Yeah . 917.01 IN1001 A MIO024 0 917.81 927.331 917.91 926.97 It's strange I mean , maybe you play yeah , if you play the the video well , insi at the beginning , I don't know what's happening . 920.19 921.06 924.97 925.93 926.97 IN1001 B MIO016 1 918.336 919.924 918.44 919.924 Oh yeah , maybe you're burning , but 918.74 919.76 IN1001 B MIO016 1 926.58 937.913 926.66 937.77 Oh , there is no ha ha . I didn't uh ha I didn't have time to the the Real Media . But um yeah , it's complicated . 926.91 929.97 934.5 936.92 937.77 IN1001 A MIO024 0 931.031 934.817 931.05 934.53 Ah , you didn't generate the okay , the Real Media . Okay . 931.44 933.29 934.22 934.53 IN1001 A MIO024 0 937.94 952.242 938.02 952.18 Well no , I mean here I can see that it was it was detected as a single shot . Okay . I was because here you can see that the motion uh here is uh , you know , he is uh doing a zoom on the two kayaks here . 938.42 943.91 944.6 947.94 948.22 952.18 IN1001 B MIO016 1 942.419 944.382 942.5 944.17 Yeah , here we can see that , yeah . 942.8 943.86 944.17 IN1001 B MIO016 1 945.853 947.011 945.95 946.81 At two point four . 946.81 IN1001 B MIO016 1 948.688 949.506 948.81 949.37 Mm . 949.37 IN1001 C MIO066 2 950.367 950.916 950.43 950.75 Yeah . 950.75 IN1001 B MIO016 1 951.168 953.904 951.24 953.65 And then there is translation on the right , yeah . 953.1 953.65 IN1001 A MIO024 0 952.242 978.519 952.51 978.41 Yeah , and then he's doing quite a fast transition from these to another one , and I was wondering whether so if you well though of course it's true that it's mainly water , so maybe the colour is indeed uh quite but you know , as a kayak is entering quite fast , I mean you can have quite maybe good distance . But I see that it seems to be how many shots do you have indeed de de detected ? 952.78 957.56 962.66 965.85 968.64 973.41 978.41 IN1001 B MIO016 1 956.503 957.443 956.6 957.39 Mm mm mm . 957.39 IN1001 C MIO066 2 956.872 957.578 956.89 957.43 Mm 'kay . 957.43 IN1001 C MIO066 2 968.879 969.387 969.01 969.25 Hmm . 969.25 IN1001 B MIO016 1 970.214 974.298 970.214 974.298 I can see uh there is another programme that can see - IN1001 C MIO066 2 970.473 970.931 970.55 970.8 Hmm . 970.8 IN1001 B MIO016 1 976.954 978.924 977.05 978.924 Uh the N_ uh - IN1001 B MIO016 1 980.272 983.282 980.31 983.2 It's I think it's f there there are five normally . 983.2 IN1001 A MIO024 0 981.895 991.818 982.37 991.7 Six , yeah , the one is uh maybe so you did it with with what by the way ? It's with the images I gave you or okay . 983.14 983.36 989.25 991.7 IN1001 B MIO016 1 984.396 986.169 984.45 986.169 If we put expand all - IN1001 C MIO066 2 986.613 988.974 986.79 988.974 Okay . 988.77 IN1001 B MIO016 1 990.814 991.47 990.98 991.35 Yeah . 991.35 IN1001 B MIO016 1 992.668 1056.188 992.82 1056.188 The other one I had problems converting uh uh the video into D_V_X_ , and then uh so I used the programme from uh software from Sebastien , P_ P_A_P_M_ to A_V_I_ . Because yeah , one thing uh maybe we will talk about that is the library uh , it's uh it doesn't uh compile anymore on Debian machines and , yeah , some maybe some work has to be done on this . I don't know why this uh image doesn't appear , this is the um um the frame that is uh uh extracted to be the shot key frame here . This one is this one , the middle one . So I don't know what why it doesn't appear , but it just uh a simple problem in the get frame . But what I can show you now is a little programme if we want to be um very precise about so it's ma get frames 1001.01 1005.41 1009.8 1011.55 1016.17 1021.87 1022.15 1025.18 1027.44 1036.24 1037.37 1038.38 1040.34 1043.93 IN1001 C MIO066 2 999.398 1001.061 999.52 1001.02 Hmm . Yeah . 1000.47 1001.02 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1006.559 1009.644 1006.66 1009.51 Ah , to regenerate an A_V_I_ file , okay , yeah , yeah . 1006.96 1008.62 1009.11 1009.26 1009.51 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1008.905 1009.842 1009.08 1009.55 Hmm . 1009.55 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1020.418 1021.075 1020.56 1020.97 Okay . 1020.97 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1021.181 1021.747 1021.26 1021.61 Hmm . 1021.61 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1041.175 1042.09 1041.51 1041.98 Okay , yeah . 1041.8 1041.98 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1043.066 1043.628 1043.19 1043.58 Yeah . 1043.58 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1064.087 1066.738 1064.087 1066.62 Okay , C_G_I_ here . 1065.63 1066.62 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1069.647 1077.217 1069.71 1077.16 And we were interested in around what di do you want ? Around six , seven seconds ? 1075.36 1076.22 1077.16 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1077.77 1081.429 1077.86 1081.31 Yeah , I mean initially I don't know why there is a a shot detected . 1078.09 1081.31 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1080.984 1085.124 1080.984 1085.09 Okay . Uh if we do next . 1082.62 1085.09 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1086.543 1092.938 1086.64 1092.938 Oh . Yeah . There is something wrong . So it detects 1087.29 1087.69 1091.4 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1088.714 1090.681 1088.83 1090.52 Yeah , yeah . Oh yeah . 1089.2 1090.01 1090.52 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1091.437 1103.015 1091.61 1103.015 Ah okay , so the okay so the here is an image number . In your programme . Ah okay , okay , yeah . Okay , okay so then this 1092.12 1097.34 1099.31 1100.1 1100.56 1101.1 1101.96 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1091.93 1093.258 1091.99 1093.258 There was some burning - IN1001 B MIO016 1 1096.507 1106.771 1096.58 1106.61 Yeah , in fact , yeah , that's why I said it's it's a frame number . Uh w I don't know why , yeah yeah yeah . It's a frame number . This is a frame number , this is in second , but I I kept the frame number . 1096.83 1097.16 1097.38 1099.35 1100.27 1101.02 1102.52 1103.53 1104.69 1106.61 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1106.279 1109.989 1106.35 1109.989 So , but it's in seconds or it's 1106.6 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1109.473 1112.732 1109.61 1112.67 It's twelve frames , zero seconds . 1111.78 1112.67 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1111.787 1123.805 1111.87 1123.66 Okay . Okay , yeah , okay , okay , seconds plus number . Okay , so basically what has been uh yeah , extracted is yeah , this point rather than okay , so this is normal , okay . 1113.76 1114.22 1114.46 1114.87 1115.13 1117.99 1118.28 1120.1 1121.17 1122.55 1123.37 1123.66 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1113.724 1114.693 1113.78 1114.6 Okay . 1114.6 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1116.212 1119.457 1116.28 1119.33 And the next is eleven seconds and twelve frames . 1119.33 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1116.223 1116.763 1116.29 1116.67 Yeah . 1116.67 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1122.244 1134.939 1122.47 1134.939 Yeah . Yeah . So if we do every second uh I d the middle frame is uh this one thousand 1123.45 1123.87 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1122.708 1123.165 1122.79 1122.98 Hmm . 1122.98 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1139.472 1158.433 1139.61 1158.33 Okay . Do you thi it's another kind of browsing page , but uh to be more precise about uh to to check maybe the this yeah , exactly , yeah , yeah . Anyway , you go back to one frame around f one sixty for instance , I don't know . 1140.02 1142.55 1150.35 1150.77 1151.03 1151.65 1151.98 1157.79 1158.33 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1143.367 1144.082 1143.44 1144.02 Okay . 1144.02 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1145.96 1146.766 1146.09 1146.53 Okay . 1146.53 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1148.765 1151.683 1148.83 1151.55 Okay , like transition , something that is okay . 1149.06 1150.07 1151.55 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1151.747 1152.344 1151.88 1152.27 Hmm . 1152.27 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1160.096 1165.661 1160.26 1165.58 And and there is yeah , that's it , you know . Prev 1162.76 1163.75 1165.11 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1161.856 1164.272 1161.88 1164.24 Okay . Ah , okay . Understand . 1162.48 1162.9 1163.84 1164.24 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1166.89 1174.641 1166.99 1174.55 Okay . You see that there is uh okay , it's not a shot change , it's a motion actually here . Yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah . 1167.47 1169.03 1170.67 1173.14 1173.47 1173.76 1174.01 1174.23 1174.55 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1172.227 1188.625 1172.29 1188.53 Yeah , it's motion yeah , it's not a cut . Yeah , but I was thinking that maybe it could have been . But it's true that it's mainly water when we see things , so it's , yeah , it's not such a big uh but yeah , sometimes I mean you can have various things hap I mean just think about more action movie and thing like this . 1172.45 1173.26 1174.29 1174.53 1176.85 1179.09 1179.82 1180.05 1182.75 1188.53 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1176.396 1180.517 1176.46 1180.41 Yeah , I s yeah . 1177.33 1180.41 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1187.456 1188.404 1187.53 1188.03 Mm 'kay . 1188.03 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1188.625 1228.369 1188.625 1228.369 Well sometimes it's very difficult , so focus , usually there is no problem , people say this is a cut , this is not a cut , but like for dissolve even sometimes , you know , people may it's people may have some trouble I mean this is a dissolve this is not this should this should be labelled as a transition or not . Some people will say yeah , but it's part of the thing , or uh for instance in like in um also in uh , come on , uh advertising usually . Because the shots are very short in advertising , usually it's uh very fast and so sometimes , yeah , when you have an incrustation like last time , what what should you say , it's it's , yeah , it's a change of 1191.49 1192.44 1193.6 1194.8 1195.59 1198.46 1198.77 1206.71 1207.79 1209.24 1212.83 1214.36 1216.54 1218.97 1222.86 1223.12 1225.09 1226.53 1227.37 1227.51 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1195.604 1196.119 1195.84 1195.92 Mm . 1195.92 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1202.988 1204.077 1203.07 1203.99 Yeah . Mm-hmm . 1203.6 1203.99 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1215.67 1218.967 1215.67 1218.69 Yeah . 1218.69 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1218.252 1221.212 1218.27 1221.14 Okay , mm-hmm . Yeah . 1218.83 1220.82 1221.14 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1229.523 1242.466 1229.523 1242.33 When you have yeah , the the goal results uh then yeah , in fact it's not a shot change . Yeah . 1232.01 1235.83 1242.05 1242.33 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1229.716 1231.239 1229.8 1231.239 But uh - IN1001 C MIO066 2 1231.149 1231.831 1231.21 1231.54 Hmm . 1231.54 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1234.494 1235.184 1234.6 1234.95 Yeah . 1234.95 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1239.401 1255.169 1239.401 1254.98 Yeah , I mean it's a so sometimes very difficult . A at least what I can see that currently like for CINETIS uh for instance if it's to do colour correction or for instance if it's too black , too a bit whiter , I think this type of things should be fine . 1239.83 1242.66 1251.67 1252.84 1254.98 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1240.608 1241.577 1240.63 1241.29 Yeah . 1241.29 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1251.514 1252.151 1251.58 1251.99 Hmm . 1251.99 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1254.865 1255.366 1254.92 1255.27 Hmm . 1255.27 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1255.169 1293.289 1255.38 1293.16 Because basically it's even if they are not real shots , they are not so interested if it's not real shot . Maybe after they have this and they may say okay , just by looking at least the summary , so maybe for the summary we could do better uh key frame extraction for instance , but by just looking at the key frames and so on they may say okay , from this shot to this shot we apply like uh specific um colour enhancement algorithm or restoration algorithm or uh to improve uh the brightness and something like this right . And uh so I think for them this is fine um after i yeah . 1257.98 1260.6 1263.22 1265.29 1269.88 1272.66 1287.28 1293.16 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1259.471 1260.161 1259.62 1260.09 Yeah . 1260.09 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1281.101 1281.665 1281.26 1281.49 Yeah . 1281.49 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1288.398 1288.816 1288.48 1288.7 Hmm . 1288.7 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1291.924 1302.383 1292.01 1302.08 So this would ma be made uh manually actually . When you say from this shot to this shot is using a graphical user interface someone who would do manually for each video . 1294.73 1302.08 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1296.969 1297.501 1297.02 1297.43 Hmm . 1297.43 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1301.171 1310.953 1301.27 1310.81 Well , maybe after I mean they would sh okay , uh they would go directly and say select the shots from here to here , and they would say you apply this algorithm , yeah . 1301.49 1303.99 1307.75 1310.6 1310.81 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1309.718 1310.907 1309.82 1310.78 Method , yeah . 1310.54 1310.78 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1311.338 1311.829 1311.41 1311.68 Hmm . 1311.68 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1313.339 1354.832 1313.41 1354.8 So of course we could try to make scene clustering and so on , but I'm not even sure that this is necessary for them at this point , because uh if they have a six minute movie , if they have thirty shots , for them it might be easier to look at from here to here I apply this , and they can do it quite quickly . And they have to do it an to do it anyway , because what's going to take time might be uh to select the type of restoration algorithm or the type of things . So this might take more time than having to click two times on two shots rather tha tha than uh having directly a scene , right ? So so I think for them uh this type of things is going to be useful uh , at least for this task . 1316.6 1320.42 1323.25 1324.17 1328.66 1330.22 1332.05 1338.45 1346.28 1347.19 1353.81 1354.8 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1317.967 1318.52 1318.06 1318.39 Hmm . 1318.39 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1323.324 1324.613 1323.49 1324.39 Yeah , mm . 1324.08 1324.39 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1327.364 1327.838 1327.43 1327.77 Yeah . 1327.77 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1337.011 1338.499 1337.26 1338.36 Ah , okay . 1337.89 1338.36 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1337.61 1338.547 1338.06 1338.21 Hmm . 1338.21 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1340.052 1341.872 1340.18 1341.69 Yeah , yeah , yeah . Mm . 1340.36 1340.52 1341.22 1341.69 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1343.435 1344.017 1343.5 1343.87 Okay . 1343.87 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1355.623 1356.198 1355.76 1356.07 Okay . 1356.07 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1356.121 1384.491 1356.26 1384.491 If they want to do stabilisation , it may not be sure of that . Uh this is the right segmentation for some of these , but so but this is another point which for motion stabilisation , as I said several time , we are not we did not commit to provide anything , but of course if we can provide things , we'll do it , but uh yeah . So do you have uh more question or uh do you have a 1358.05 1360.6 1363.67 1370.36 1371.62 1375.77 1377.4 1377.93 1381.34 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1359.38 1360.465 1359.46 1360.38 Hmm . Hmm . 1360.18 1360.38 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1361.952 1362.428 1361.97 1362.2 Hmm . 1362.2 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1378.925 1380.262 1379.02 1380.262 Hmm . 1380.12 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1382.92 1391.061 1383.18 1390.88 No . Uh I have look at the demo film , and it's about uh 1383.3 1389.3 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1392.8 1396.453 1392.82 1396.32 forty minutes and about uh - IN1001 C MIO066 2 1398.031 1405.575 1398.09 1405.51 hundred and seventy three different shots , so it's yeah . 1402.76 1405.51 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1403.129 1410.976 1403.129 1410.976 This is the one in the D_V_D_ ? Maybe okay , we can uh see a little bit if you want , to play the 1406.02 1406.63 1409.52 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1410.287 1436.045 1410.35 1435.95 Yes . And uh I don't know if this is a real sample D_V_D_ , because uh this will make about uh five seconds for each shot , so I think it's very short . No ? I if this is to r to to to make a change in the colour , light and uh they have a lot of uh shots . 1412.03 1417.11 1422.51 1425.74 1425.98 1432.25 1435.95 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1424.627 1426.051 1424.66 1425.75 Well no , it's okay . 1425.3 1425.75 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1425.55 1428.611 1425.69 1428.611 Well I just i i i it's I think this is - IN1001 A MIO024 0 1436.812 1483.925 1437.0 1483.925 Yeah , but after I mean it may be more like a guy um i int i in an interface , a guy interface . I mean where I mean if second select from shot one to seven , uh this is a same seg they may do the grouping by themselves quite by looking at this it may take w w less one one minutes . And I think it's anyway , if it's too summarised after they may want to go inside uh to see whether there is not special things I mean , so . Uh because after it depends , I mean if you give only one key frame per shot , after I mean it's one hundred seventy images , it's quite fast , right , and so I think and the hierarchical thing is good , because still you can check if you have some ambiguities you are not sure , you could 1437.32 1445.36 1446.3 1450.18 1458.26 1460.65 1467.48 1468.67 1470.34 1474.13 1476.23 1477.23 1477.8 1479.93 1483.09 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1441.63 1442.131 1441.69 1441.95 Hmm . 1441.95 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1446.254 1447.424 1446.34 1447.16 Yeah , okay . 1446.89 1447.16 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1448.698 1452.227 1448.87 1452.227 Ah , okay . Yeah , okay . 1449.19 1449.87 1451.4 1452.18 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1456.49 1457.931 1456.57 1457.87 Okay , understand . 1457.09 1457.87 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1467.591 1468.092 1467.68 1467.99 Yeah . 1467.99 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1469.204 1470.048 1469.59 1469.94 Okay . 1469.94 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1476.404 1477.103 1476.48 1476.94 Hmm . 1476.94 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1483.057 1507.131 1483.49 1507.0 Okay , uh in fact I didn't understand that , but now I understand better that CINETIS wants this kind of method to help them to restore and to apply the algori some algorithms to to to make a better movie , okay . It's not for the client , for the user who will uh maybe okay . Okay . Also but okay . 1483.82 1485.65 1498.13 1498.54 1499.83 1504.69 1505.37 1507.0 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1483.546 1484.246 1483.83 1484.12 Okay . 1484.12 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1490.843 1495.4 1490.93 1495.32 Yeah . Yeah . Yeah , at least yeah , yeah , yeah . 1491.75 1493.31 1493.66 1494.71 1495.08 1495.32 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1492.651 1495.162 1492.76 1494.99 Yeah , yes . 1494.22 1494.99 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1498.015 1499.104 1498.11 1498.96 Yeah , yeah , yeah . 1498.47 1498.82 1498.96 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1498.432 1498.922 1498.45 1498.67 Yeah . 1498.67 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1500.717 1505.119 1500.85 1505.119 Hmm . Oh . Maybe they can 1501.66 1501.96 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1501.396 1552.499 1501.64 1552.43 Well , ultim ultimately I think this is the type of things , but at this point we uh yeah . I I hope uh that uh if it's a big success uh they will ask IDIAP to to provide something like this of course with some money or at least to pay a student or somebody for doing it , but uh yeah , of course this was ultimately I think one way of uh if you could provide like chapters or something like this , indeed you could provide like the A_V_I_ to the clients , and he may ask for special services or uh and even to just to watch the movie , to have direct access to different parts and so on . But it's uh I mean uh this labelling might be more easy to do for the client by the client , because he knows what they're I mean he we wants to have this and this and uh right , so . 1501.96 1504.94 1508.24 1522.16 1522.89 1530.3 1532.75 1538.8 1541.69 1547.34 1552.08 1552.43 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1508.773 1509.378 1508.92 1509.07 Hmm . 1509.07 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1516.69 1517.272 1516.81 1517.15 Okay . 1517.15 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1521.451 1522.017 1521.5 1521.77 Mm-hmm . 1521.77 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1529.847 1530.412 1529.96 1530.34 Mm-hmm . 1530.34 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1539.525 1540.005 1539.67 1539.8 Hmm . 1539.8 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1541.072 1542.993 1541.12 1542.86 Mm-hmm . Yeah , uh okay . 1541.82 1542.19 1542.86 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1548.598 1556.831 1548.85 1556.63 Okay . Ah , okay , yeah yeah yeah . Because he did the movie , so he wants t okay , to archive , he wants to okay . 1550.66 1551.11 1551.45 1552.33 1553.45 1554.81 1555.6 1556.63 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1548.86 1549.716 1549.11 1549.53 Mm-hmm . 1549.53 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1551.218 1551.999 1551.45 1551.58 Mm . 1551.58 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1554.162 1597.823 1554.25 1597.75 Yeah , yeah , he may want to organi yeah , yeah . Otherwise , I mean this but of but of course it might be easy to do a very simple software , which would allow the user to select just the shots and give names , and after it would generate automatically some index and uh as a I suppose the client might be interested in such a such a things if he could uh generate automatically on the D_V_D_ . But for and you could imagine that before sending in the D_V_D_ , you could allow him to l to watch this type of interface , and he would be able to do the selection , say this is this , this is this , this is this , this is this , and when he would receive the D_V_D_ , he would indeed uh get already the chapters that he decided to put there . 1554.54 1555.0 1556.52 1556.82 1557.36 1562.86 1567.91 1579.05 1582.52 1586.61 1589.23 1590.02 1590.5 1590.93 1591.22 1593.19 1597.75 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1554.939 1555.564 1555.08 1555.15 Mm . 1555.15 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1558.07 1560.541 1558.33 1560.32 This is yeah , another mm . 1559.32 1560.32 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1567.81 1568.52 1567.94 1568.28 Mm . 1568.28 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1571.151 1572.257 1571.21 1572.12 Yeah . Yeah . 1571.88 1572.12 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1572.965 1573.665 1573.07 1573.6 Mm . 1573.6 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1574.928 1576.921 1574.95 1576.76 Yeah . Okay . 1576.21 1576.76 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1575.696 1576.184 1575.77 1575.98 Mm . 1575.98 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1586.533 1587.098 1586.62 1586.96 Mm-hmm . 1586.96 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1589.857 1590.399 1590.04 1590.21 Mm . 1590.21 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1592.128 1593.345 1592.16 1593.23 Yeah . Yeah . 1592.85 1593.23 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1597.882 1600.614 1597.92 1600.47 And this could be done by through internet . 1600.47 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1600.692 1609.857 1600.75 1609.857 Yeah , yeah , yeah . And I think this may it it's good that this is a demo like this , because I'm sure that they might be interested indeed , because I imagine that some people 1600.89 1601.25 1601.89 1605.08 1607.99 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1602.371 1602.966 1602.5 1602.71 Mm-hmm . 1602.71 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1604.127 1604.942 1604.19 1604.85 Mm . 1604.85 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1605.897 1606.523 1606.0 1606.31 Mm . 1606.31 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1606.896 1607.603 1607.1 1607.53 Mm-hmm . 1607.53 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1608.112 1608.924 1608.26 1608.76 Yes . 1608.76 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1608.997 1614.917 1609.02 1614.79 From the client point of view and from the preparation of the movie D_V_D_ , mm . 1614.34 1614.79 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1611.769 1613.793 1611.89 1613.71 Yeah . Yeah , yeah , yeah . 1612.66 1613.04 1613.52 1613.71 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1615.707 1620.182 1615.85 1620.08 Uh yeah , so I think this is uh this is a very good uh and a yeah . 1616.23 1620.08 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1622.926 1624.345 1623.03 1624.345 But uh - IN1001 B MIO016 1 1624.408 1625.788 1624.44 1625.7 Okay , I will play , yeah . 1624.72 1625.43 1625.7 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1629.027 1633.716 1629.05 1633.716 So this is a kind of service , I don't know , either they give it for free and uh 1630.4 1630.92 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1635.601 1636.557 1635.7 1636.557 But uh - IN1001 B MIO016 1 1635.988 1637.46 1636.04 1637.46 We had an arrow here or what ? It's 1637.34 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1637.935 1638.499 1637.99 1638.29 Sorry ? 1638.29 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1638.176 1660.529 1638.25 1660.42 But you see that sometimes even here it's a bit like uh it's for instance if people would like to have like some motion compensation , uh you i it could be proposed . But for instance here it I wou it would be problematic to have motion . So i here it's fine to do motion compensation , but stabilisation rather than yeah . 1645.97 1650.43 1654.11 1656.56 1660.42 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1639.719 1640.16 1639.81 1640.11 Th - IN1001 C MIO066 2 1646.287 1647.32 1646.37 1647.24 Yeah . 1647.24 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1648.352 1648.782 1648.37 1648.74 Mm-hmm . 1648.74 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1665.102 1666.183 1665.2 1666.183 But - IN1001 A MIO024 0 1667.538 1669.909 1667.58 1669.909 For instance here it's it's it's it's - IN1001 C MIO066 2 1673.552 1674.218 1673.58 1674.09 Mm . 1674.09 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1676.029 1693.647 1676.18 1693.647 Yeah , uh I think I think they made some uh special effect in this D_V_D_ . Uh there is two or three time uh you see you see the same uh same kind of uh scene , uh just uh two or three seconds 1676.43 1683.42 1691.03 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1679.168 1681.239 1679.26 1681.11 Effects ? Okay . 1680.59 1681.11 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1685.795 1687.683 1685.91 1687.57 If I go to menu there is something ? 1687.57 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1692.568 1697.984 1692.72 1697.85 Ah okay , so maybe like here for instance it is a just reproduced two times uh . 1693.21 1697.85 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1696.094 1696.762 1696.2 1696.61 Yeah . 1696.61 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1698.15 1698.672 1698.21 1698.52 Hmm . 1698.52 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1699.073 1704.895 1699.23 1704.76 Do you know what this is ? No , old menu uh there is no menu in the D_V_D_ ? Okay . Okay . 1700.13 1700.4 1703.1 1704.43 1704.76 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1702.447 1703.76 1702.53 1703.66 No , there's no menu . 1702.81 1703.66 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1705.312 1708.366 1705.33 1708.21 There is just one uh one chapter and no menu . 1708.21 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1709.068 1709.684 1709.1 1709.62 Okay . 1709.62 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1710.964 1715.105 1711.07 1714.93 So this is the same video a the the A_V_I_ number one ? 1714.93 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1714.128 1717.362 1714.15 1717.362 Yeah , yes . Yes . Uh 1714.49 1715.7 1716.68 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1715.378 1716.159 1715.59 1715.94 Yeah . 1715.94 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1716.54 1719.443 1716.61 1719.41 And on the on the D_V_D_ I saw that there are some other stuff . 1719.41 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1722.659 1723.249 1722.73 1723.13 I dunno . 1723.13 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1724.24 1724.762 1724.26 1724.66 This one ? 1724.66 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1725.951 1737.143 1726.03 1736.98 Uh I think in the video there's two there's two video , one is a real video and the other is a just uh introduction when you have the menu . 1731.01 1736.98 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1726.652 1727.383 1726.73 1727.2 The same . 1727.2 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1737.078 1737.66 1737.17 1737.54 Okay . 1737.54 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1740.67 1741.202 1740.73 1741.13 Oops . 1741.13 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1742.403 1746.474 1742.46 1746.38 So this is vi okay . This video is about four minutes , five minutes , right ? 1743.92 1745.47 1746.11 1746.38 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1746.8 1748.815 1746.83 1748.78 No , it's uh thirteen minutes . 1746.99 1748.78 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1749.243 1751.922 1749.35 1751.922 Ah okay , so this is not the one that has been uh 1749.66 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1750.98 1772.937 1751.13 1772.76 No , but yes , this is the same , but uh there was a problem when do the grab from the D_V_D_ to the files . So this is why they have make two two files . But now I have one file also in the so you can process again one time . 1751.56 1752.55 1753.26 1760.93 1764.22 1772.76 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1760.173 1764.54 1760.19 1764.46 Ah , okay . Uh . There are two files . Okay , I understand . 1760.53 1761.26 1762.1 1763.67 1763.9 1764.46 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1760.337 1761.002 1760.53 1760.94 Okay . 1760.94 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1768.523 1769.205 1768.61 1768.92 Okay . 1768.92 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1770.472 1773.091 1770.67 1773.03 Run the okay . 1773.03 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1772.167 1773.105 1772.46 1772.92 Okay . 1772.92 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1774.23 1779.975 1774.33 1779.78 It's it's it's real time , right ? I mean the processing . Yeah . 1775.5 1775.77 1779.53 1779.78 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1774.327 1774.959 1774.38 1774.959 Um - IN1001 C MIO066 2 1777.575 1778.472 1777.73 1778.3 Mm . 1778.3 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1778.944 1785.317 1778.96 1785.19 Yeah , almost . I would maybe a less a little bit less than uh a bit more than real time maybe . 1779.61 1780.04 1785.19 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1784.665 1788.418 1784.82 1788.33 A bit more than real time ? Well anyway , yeah . 1786.51 1787.87 1788.33 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1786.523 1790.894 1786.61 1790.81 I will have to check , but if it's five minutes videos , it's like done in yeah , quickly . 1787.57 1788.96 1790.35 1790.81 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1787.81 1788.625 1788.04 1788.36 Yeah . 1788.36 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1790.435 1844.915 1790.61 1844.76 Yeah , normally it could it could go faster . But i probably it's probable that even for the project you would do some of the reprogramming , I mean to especially if uh we need to interface new uh um yeah , or for just reading , I mean the the D_V_X_ and thing like this , so it's uh uh so tomor anyway for this we don't know exactly yet , because it's not sure what they want to what the user's tools for reading D_V_D_ and so on , so . And s because I don't think this is so difficult , now you have um already looked at the histograms and open C_V_ computing distances and so on . So if we want to do a special thing that probably runs fast , it may be easier to do it directly and uh yeah . 1790.91 1793.81 1799.81 1808.11 1809.18 1811.95 1816.77 1823.6 1823.91 1827.28 1836.56 1840.69 1844.76 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1798.736 1799.245 1798.76 1799.09 Yeah . 1799.09 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1800.496 1801.256 1800.52 1800.9 Yes . 1800.9 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1801.159 1801.748 1801.23 1801.62 Okay . 1801.62 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1803.97 1804.618 1804.05 1804.37 Hmm . 1804.37 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1805.238 1807.802 1805.3 1807.65 Components open C_V_ . 1807.65 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1810.13 1811.41 1810.24 1811.27 Yeah . Yeah . 1811.03 1811.27 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1811.753 1812.515 1811.86 1812.44 Yeah . 1812.44 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1817.134 1817.699 1817.2 1817.58 Okay . 1817.58 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1817.644 1818.364 1817.72 1818.23 Yeah . 1818.23 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1821.959 1822.46 1822.04 1822.43 Yes . 1822.43 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1826.832 1827.482 1826.85 1827.38 Hmm . 1827.38 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1832.801 1833.965 1832.9 1833.8 Open C_ yeah . 1833.8 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1833.933 1835.184 1834.03 1835.15 Hmm . Hmm . 1834.84 1835.15 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1841.027 1841.727 1841.11 1841.56 Yeah . 1841.56 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1849.738 1856.831 1849.88 1856.68 But uh but yeah , the interface is very so the interface uses the output of your programme . Essentially , okay . 1851.17 1855.46 1856.42 1856.68 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1855.326 1881.162 1855.59 1880.9 Yeah . So that we'll use the whiteboard . So in fact , yeah , the interface is quite is quite simple to use . Um for instance you see um on the uh on the U_R_L_ I put okay , I I disco there is M_M_M_ dot IDIAP dot C_H_ slash V_C_G_I_ bin 1856.31 1859.88 1860.48 1860.72 1863.55 1870.92 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1858.14 1860.337 1858.14 1860.04 Okay . 1860.04 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1882.625 1884.604 1882.69 1884.31 slash video browser . 1884.31 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1887.988 1891.191 1888.11 1890.85 Okay , uh slash video browser three frames , 1888.69 1890.85 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1893.769 1910.401 1893.92 1910.3 three frames dot H_T_M_L_ . And then this C_G_I_ programme ask the mm parameter C_ video and M_ equals CINETIS okay , demo one . 1898.64 1909.7 1910.3 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1912.181 1918.223 1912.24 1918.1 In fact um I just explain how to put the data on M_M_M_ , but it's quite simple . 1916.92 1918.1 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1917.003 1917.452 1917.09 1917.41 Mm . 1917.41 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1919.563 1932.027 1919.64 1931.78 When you log into M_M_M_ as with a C_ C_ S_S_H_ for instance , um so you just put it's working like this , M_M_M_ data 1925.68 1930.73 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1933.756 1935.05 1933.88 1934.91 video browser . 1934.91 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1942.364 1945.033 1942.43 1945.033 Uh okay , slash . And then 1943.98 1944.48 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1946.903 1951.352 1947.04 1951.24 This is the name of the new directory you will create . 1951.24 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1953.901 1954.899 1954.05 1954.8 Demo one . 1954.8 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1956.571 1962.092 1956.64 1961.99 And there stands there is couple of things well it's uh - IN1001 B MIO016 1 1963.307 1968.739 1963.51 1968.64 this name so I will say this is video name , so video name 1966.54 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1970.568 1978.752 1970.65 1978.752 dot A_V_I_ , you just because we need the A_V_I_ so that we can uh 1972.03 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1979.165 1980.795 1979.24 1980.69 You can do the get frame . 1980.69 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1980.656 1983.274 1980.656 1983.274 Yeah , we can do the the get frame 1981.08 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1983.318 1991.687 1983.45 1991.51 But otherwise it's not necessary . Oh yeah , no no no . Ye okay . Oh no no , you need you need to generate these images , right ? Okay . 1985.5 1985.88 1986.96 1988.33 1988.72 1990.86 1991.19 1991.51 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1985.49 1990.456 1985.76 1990.456 Otherwise it's not necessary . Oh , uh f and also for the 1987.6 1987.85 IN1001 B MIO016 1 1992.036 2005.445 1992.08 2005.445 Yeah , and this is no no no , uh this is done on the fly . With get frame . So you need that , you need uh the X_M_L_ v so it's video name 1992.44 1993.6 1995.58 1998.18 2000.29 IN1001 A MIO024 0 1995.591 1997.283 1995.78 1997.15 Okay . Okay , yeah . 1996.53 1996.9 1997.15 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1997.311 1998.031 1997.4 1997.97 Mm . 1997.97 IN1001 C MIO066 2 1999.903 2000.644 2000.01 2000.4 Okay . 2000.4 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2007.954 2021.007 2008.13 2020.93 And I could data dot X_M_L_ , but in fact it's just a simple convention , I w could have put nothing , but I just put data . The it's a convention . Data , and then video name . 2010.38 2012.82 2014.32 2016.46 2018.24 2018.86 2020.93 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2018.08 2018.931 2018.11 2018.76 Okay . 2018.76 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2022.321 2031.574 2022.42 2031.574 Okay , it's R_M_ nine dot R_M_ for other stuff . But in fact , yeah , when I think now , we could have uh 2022.98 2027.55 2028.88 2029.15 2030.26 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2025.957 2029.865 2026.09 2029.62 Okay . Okay . Yeah . 2027.65 2029.43 2029.62 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2032.765 2035.452 2033.01 2035.28 Only with uh extension you can you can see . 2035.28 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2033.071 2034.102 2033.37 2033.63 Yeah . 2033.63 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2033.436 2045.67 2033.6 2045.51 Yeah , okay . But the the name of the video file is video name is uh it's the same as a directory . Okay . Okay . 2034.05 2035.27 2043.52 2045.07 2045.51 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2038.546 2051.31 2038.74 2051.31 The name is no of in fact yeah , is is yeah . Yeah , is the same as the directory . It could have been video naming also , but it's the same as a directory . And that's it actually . When you you u you do that 2040.53 2042.1 2042.31 2043.41 2045.77 2048.38 2049.24 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2040.978 2043.057 2041.1 2042.98 As a directory , yeah , yeah . 2042.36 2042.76 2042.98 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2045.137 2045.653 2045.24 2045.52 Yeah . 2045.52 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2052.572 2072.641 2052.63 2072.52 I did the same for kayak you say kayak in fact now it's kayak , and then you can see . And this output yeah , as your this output uh this file is an output from the mm the software , the shot boundary detection software . 2057.06 2059.02 2061.0 2070.3 2072.52 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2056.034 2057.506 2056.26 2057.39 Yeah , yeah . Yeah . 2056.39 2057.14 2057.39 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2056.508 2057.072 2056.61 2056.97 Okay . 2056.97 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2060.823 2062.129 2060.89 2062.01 X_M_L_ , yeah . 2061.71 2062.01 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2069.394 2071.816 2069.394 2071.7 On the shot . 2071.7 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2071.622 2073.397 2071.75 2073.28 Okay . Okay . 2072.8 2073.28 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2074.991 2086.508 2075.07 2086.41 And it's a simple format I suppose , like uh like you have scenes and shots and uh key s some time stamps . Yeah . 2076.8 2086.15 2086.41 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2077.306 2083.912 2077.4 2083.912 It's a very simple format , yeah . Yeah , uh actually we 2080.8 2081.71 2082.53 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2082.497 2084.606 2082.68 2084.43 Yeah , okay . Okay . 2083.15 2084.0 2084.43 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2085.604 2118.59 2085.604 2118.49 Uh yeah , I don't yeah , we cannot see . It's , yeah , it's uh tha video , scene , shot , it's hierarchical in X_M_L_ and key frame time stamp and the and from the time stamp and the video location he knows how to get the frame . Each of these frames . And if we do in fact I don't know yeah , it's Mozilla Firefox view page source okay , view frame source . 2090.45 2091.19 2093.29 2093.67 2093.89 2095.55 2096.57 2098.17 2109.36 2111.32 2113.34 2117.57 2118.49 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2090.68 2092.308 2090.84 2092.19 Okay , yes , okay . 2091.3 2091.77 2092.19 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2092.744 2096.446 2092.76 2096.446 So but you're yeah . Yeah , I mean it it might be good to 2094.28 2094.43 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2096.336 2097.415 2096.36 2097.36 Yeah , okay . 2096.95 2097.36 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2102.745 2103.82 2102.8 2103.76 Yeah , okay . 2103.07 2103.76 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2109.473 2111.227 2109.62 2110.9 Okay . Mm . 2110.56 2110.9 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2112.888 2121.183 2112.97 2121.02 Okay , okay . So every every frame on the f page is uh online . 2113.66 2115.47 2121.02 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2122.266 2143.843 2122.4 2143.843 And every frame is stored into uh a b a backup in fact every frame um it's M_M_M_ who manage this automatically , so that um when uh you ask for this frame , in fact we can okay , I just view frame source 2136.19 2140.33 2141.99 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2125.268 2127.31 2125.4 2127.2 Is is a - IN1001 C MIO066 2 2135.67 2136.588 2135.79 2136.33 Okay . 2136.33 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2145.165 2148.3 2145.47 2148.19 When I view image , when I say view image , 2146.89 2148.19 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2149.594 2166.702 2149.594 2166.65 when I say view image on this frame , up we go there and this is um in fact it's a Perl programme that outputs in fa instead of outputting H_T_M_L_ or text , it outputs uh J_ PEG . 2153.4 2164.2 2166.65 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2150.387 2152.813 2150.48 2152.72 Yeah . Yes . 2152.25 2152.72 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2155.279 2156.115 2155.31 2155.98 Okay . 2155.98 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2159.348 2160.12 2159.48 2160.06 Okay . 2160.06 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2162.079 2162.747 2162.13 2162.6 Okay . 2162.6 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2167.008 2168.292 2167.09 2168.15 Okay , understand . 2167.47 2168.15 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2168.066 2174.247 2168.066 2174.21 From the video with a time stamp it outputs a J_ PEG . This is quite uh nice . 2172.71 2174.21 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2169.607 2180.564 2169.68 2180.39 Yes , okay . Okay . But on the on the on the server the original is a f video film . Okay . 2170.08 2170.34 2170.68 2179.95 2180.39 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2176.393 2177.291 2176.54 2177.291 And - IN1001 B MIO016 1 2179.419 2185.59 2179.5 2185.5 Yeah . And this image is i this image is output uh outputted to the client . 2180.31 2185.5 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2183.636 2195.688 2183.78 2195.6 So for example you can change you can change a number to take which one , okay . Okay , understand . In the other yeah yeah . Okay , perfect . 2188.88 2190.63 2190.88 2191.86 2194.7 2195.24 2195.6 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2186.972 2189.817 2187.02 2189.72 Yeah , exactly , yeah , yeah . That's what I did uh 2187.22 2187.61 2187.91 2188.3 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2191.369 2195.551 2191.43 2195.45 here . In the other application , yeah . Yeah , I dunno . 2192.57 2193.76 2194.88 2195.0 2195.45 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2196.959 2202.48 2197.05 2202.48 And who has a right to put who has a right to put data on the M_M_M_ ? 2202.42 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2197.499 2199.547 2197.6 2199.547 Yeah , here . 2197.76 2199.16 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2197.92 2199.121 2197.94 2199.04 In this one , okay . 2198.58 2199.04 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2202.923 2233.701 2202.99 2233.58 I f there are , yeah , the M_M_M_ developers , so I'm part of that , but uh we could we could uh yeah , it's not a problem . Um I wanted to saw to see to do s say something else . Um oh yeah , and the images are sent to your browser , the client , to this browser , but also kept in uh a directory in uh on M_M_M_ . 2204.36 2204.57 2205.82 2208.52 2213.18 2216.37 2222.91 2224.75 2226.82 2227.84 2228.53 2233.58 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2207.04 2209.268 2207.04 2208.85 Okay . 2208.85 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2210.574 2213.267 2210.7 2213.2 Yeah , I think it's not well done , yeah . 2211.4 2212.96 2213.2 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2212.808 2214.122 2212.93 2214.01 Okay , yeah . 2213.8 2214.01 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2215.888 2216.425 2215.91 2216.33 Yeah . 2216.33 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2222.872 2223.653 2222.95 2223.52 Okay . 2223.52 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2224.247 2225.917 2224.37 2225.57 But um . 2225.57 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2227.888 2228.308 2227.91 2228.2 Yeah . 2228.2 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2232.729 2241.229 2232.85 2241.07 Okay , okay , there is li local cache . Okay , okay . Okay , okay . Okay . 2233.72 2234.13 2236.49 2237.18 2238.21 2238.69 2240.66 2241.07 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2235.357 2238.428 2235.357 2238.31 Exactly , a cache . I say backup , but it's a cache . 2236.12 2236.64 2237.54 2238.31 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2239.9 2244.068 2239.96 2243.93 Um that's that's how it works . 2243.93 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2243.811 2259.136 2243.92 2259.1 So if we for example now we have the c the the case that this video is not correct , because uh I have make uh event grabbing . So uh we need to remove the cache for this video or this is automatic ? 2249.43 2254.21 2259.1 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2258.331 2262.746 2258.41 2262.746 No no no , it's okay . Um for the cache uh 2259.14 2259.89 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2266.964 2274.67 2267.04 2274.46 We have plenty of space on M_M_M_ , so the this is not a problem ah , yeah for a new window . 2269.78 2273.38 2274.46 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2269.295 2269.817 2269.37 2269.7 Yeah . 2269.7 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2271.201 2282.848 2271.3 2282.848 Yeah , but what I mean is i i i i i if I if I put the same video with the same name instead of this one , they should uh different 2271.46 2281.0 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2276.616 2278.209 2276.82 2278.07 Yeah , exactly , yeah . 2277.42 2277.89 2278.07 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2279.924 2296.524 2280.05 2296.48 And it detects okay . Yeah . So you go inside the get frame function , you see where it i it saves it , and then there is a special naming convention , and you can remove the but i it's c yeah , it's true . 2281.94 2282.76 2286.15 2289.21 2291.83 2295.78 2296.48 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2287.066 2289.538 2287.21 2289.28 Ah , okay . We need to remove them . 2287.44 2288.1 2289.28 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2291.605 2300.027 2291.77 2299.82 Yeah , okay . Okay , understand . Okay . Yeah , it's not a real uh usi usage . Okay . 2292.02 2293.03 2293.48 2294.23 2296.01 2296.41 2299.42 2299.82 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2298.595 2299.069 2298.71 2298.93 No . 2298.93 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2301.597 2314.086 2301.68 2313.93 Because there it's in cache , so that if I put another video with the same name , they th they will happen again . They will uh appear , this frames will appear . 2304.18 2308.77 2310.58 2312.02 2313.93 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2302.019 2305.182 2302.18 2305.1 Okay . Yes , understand . Okay . 2303.48 2303.84 2304.7 2305.1 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2303.414 2303.921 2303.47 2303.89 Yes . 2303.89 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2307.578 2308.584 2307.65 2308.45 Ah , okay , yeah . 2307.87 2308.13 2308.45 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2309.486 2310.154 2309.56 2310.01 Yeah . 2310.01 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2312.049 2315.053 2312.12 2315.053 Yes , bec because this one i was uh 2312.69 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2312.457 2313.513 2312.54 2313.37 Yeah , if yo 2313.08 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2314.854 2327.842 2314.94 2327.77 If you have the same uh decomposition right ? Yeah . Yeah , but it may happen that uh for ninety fra ninety percent of the frame it's different , so you see it fine , but suddenly you have one other frame , they don't know what it is and where it comes from . 2317.97 2318.79 2319.17 2323.22 2324.08 2325.54 2327.77 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2316.56 2317.765 2316.76 2317.765 Th this one was - IN1001 B MIO016 1 2316.73 2319.676 2316.81 2319.676 Yeah , yeah ex if you have the same decomposition , but 2317.25 2319.19 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2319.179 2319.702 2319.2 2319.57 Yeah . 2319.57 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2326.282 2330.416 2326.52 2330.28 Right , okay . Okay , but it's okay . It's okay . 2327.17 2328.06 2328.52 2329.68 2330.28 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2328.007 2343.172 2328.17 2342.94 But uh yeah , on M_M_M_ f now we don't have such many videos , so . But if you put yeah , in another directory , uh then it would work or or a new naming convention with uh special uh , yeah , code uh . 2328.56 2331.94 2333.27 2334.47 2335.84 2341.89 2342.31 2342.94 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2331.904 2332.557 2331.92 2332.48 Okay . 2332.48 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2331.991 2333.031 2332.09 2332.89 Yeah , yeah . Yeah , yeah . 2332.28 2332.55 2332.69 2332.89 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2336.764 2337.778 2336.87 2337.7 Yeah , yeah . 2337.23 2337.7 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2340.56 2342.216 2340.58 2342.07 Hmm . Hmm . 2341.84 2342.07 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2342.82 2362.653 2342.9 2362.53 Oh , you mean bac because it's it's it's the M_M_M_ cache ? Okay . So this means that when it's done , if I go on my computer and I do the same , it's not going to enter in my cache , but it's going to be already there , in M_M_M_ , okay . So it's th it's so it's not done on it's so it's not done online . 2343.09 2347.45 2348.24 2349.79 2352.62 2354.27 2356.41 2357.18 2359.04 2362.53 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2346.633 2348.287 2346.71 2348.22 Yeah , M_M_M_ cache . 2347.36 2348.22 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2347.313 2347.837 2347.43 2347.61 Mm . 2347.61 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2355.935 2356.483 2356.06 2356.4 Yeah . 2356.4 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2356.647 2358.011 2356.78 2357.82 On the M_M_M_ , yeah . 2357.38 2357.82 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2358.438 2361.409 2358.53 2361.16 But it it can go in the browser cache also . 2361.16 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2360.424 2361.097 2360.81 2360.97 Mm . 2360.97 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2363.348 2365.167 2363.48 2364.92 The first time is done online . 2364.92 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2364.217 2372.719 2364.31 2372.719 The first time , yeah , but after it's it take okay . Okay , okay . I thought it was everything was generated on the fly th so 2365.01 2365.29 2368.17 2368.74 2369.73 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2365.25 2366.845 2365.43 2366.71 Hmm . Hmm . 2366.29 2366.71 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2366.588 2370.545 2366.64 2370.37 Yeah , you can see here , yeah . Uh the first time is done o 2366.89 2367.66 2368.38 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2372.058 2382.523 2372.17 2382.523 You know , you see that . Well here it's it was cache , because I already pressed preview , but now it's on the fly . So it's quite quick . 2372.59 2373.43 2375.61 2377.27 2380.42 2382.41 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2376.393 2376.967 2376.44 2376.87 Yeah . 2376.87 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2379.694 2383.585 2379.82 2383.46 Yeah , okay . Oh , it's Greek , but uh okay . 2380.14 2380.65 2380.88 2381.74 2383.46 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2379.787 2380.444 2379.88 2380.34 Okay . 2380.34 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2384.644 2385.251 2384.82 2385.13 This . 2385.13 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2384.794 2387.559 2384.95 2387.559 Okay , so i if you come back now , you 2385.32 2386.99 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2387.628 2422.739 2387.66 2422.5 And then if you come yeah . Because the images are already generated . And maybe they are on the cache of this browser , this computer . So okay . That's why it's yeah , it was uh used with uh yeah , Sebastien uh did the C_ function , and uh , yeah , and uh the the is calling this uh C_ uh executable and it was used with M_M_M_ server with Pierre , a and the beginning when , yeah . 2390.02 2393.73 2397.47 2399.04 2400.67 2402.46 2405.17 2408.66 2410.37 2411.46 2419.89 2422.37 2422.5 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2389.232 2394.158 2389.25 2394.06 Yeah , yeah . Okay , but now you have s you have both cache . Yeah , okay . 2389.69 2390.39 2390.65 2393.21 2393.76 2394.06 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2396.199 2401.489 2396.27 2401.39 Yes , computer too , yes to uh but okay . But it's fast . 2396.64 2397.57 2400.48 2401.39 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2410.232 2410.913 2410.35 2410.79 Okay . 2410.79 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2416.035 2417.107 2416.08 2416.99 Yeah , understand . 2416.41 2416.99 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2421.037 2422.318 2421.24 2422.25 Okay , yeah . 2421.95 2422.25 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2422.885 2423.434 2422.95 2423.31 Okay . 2423.31 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2424.371 2425.411 2424.45 2425.411 Okay , so 2424.86 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2425.765 2451.076 2425.87 2451.076 Okay . Uh i ju just uh a question on the the organisation of the M_M_M_ . So you don't have uh a part for specific uh project . Every for example if we make a lot of uh film uh for CINETIS uh all are on the top 2426.32 2434.19 2440.85 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2426.411 2427.986 2426.53 2427.9 Um yeah , yeah . 2427.65 2427.9 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2450.07 2450.758 2450.26 2450.63 Yeah . 2450.63 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2452.618 2459.212 2452.7 2459.18 I mean uh all the film are y you you don't have a separation for the film for CINETIS or for the project and s - IN1001 B MIO016 1 2454.598 2456.355 2454.77 2456.355 Oh , the movies or 2454.88 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2455.401 2456.274 2455.47 2456.21 Yeah , yeah , yeah . 2455.66 2455.83 2456.21 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2462.267 2498.811 2462.35 2498.51 In fact uh we we we could , you know okay , you know all these graphical user interface that you see uh okay . In fact okay . Mm yes . Yes , we could do that . We could put uh CINETIS slash here , and then a CINETIS slash is the sa yeah , it works . But the uh th the point is this interface is uh I think six or seven files only , X_M_L_ uh well it's per C_G_I_ , that output , X_M_L_ and X_S_L_ . 2466.72 2468.11 2473.72 2476.55 2478.31 2479.08 2480.61 2482.87 2485.62 2487.64 2494.21 2496.67 2497.24 2498.51 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2463.538 2468.408 2463.65 2468.31 Well you say video name equal , all are on the same level . 2466.89 2468.31 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2471.633 2477.675 2471.67 2477.51 So could you say uh video name CINETIS slash something ? Or not ? 2477.05 2477.51 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2478.635 2480.714 2478.69 2480.59 Okay . Okay . 2480.13 2480.59 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2484.912 2487.218 2484.93 2487.08 Okay . Okay . 2486.63 2487.08 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2484.958 2488.39 2485.12 2487.81 You th okay . You think it would work , okay . 2486.48 2487.48 2487.81 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2494.022 2495.394 2494.1 2495.15 Yeah , okay . 2494.62 2495.15 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2498.811 2531.593 2499.01 2531.593 So it's it's not a big deal to to to make a new , like a CINETIS browser or , you know , video browser . Yeah , we w we copy all the files and there is uh just one um one parameter , one uh string , that we need to know where this data is , and we could pr create a M_M_M_ data video browser uh CINETIS or something else . Y it's uh ex extensible and uh is 2503.28 2505.04 2505.62 2507.99 2508.45 2516.34 2518.08 2521.11 2527.44 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2500.603 2502.307 2500.8 2502.307 Ah . okay . To make 2500.88 2501.8 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2504.836 2509.465 2504.92 2509.09 Okay . If we need to make some special thing on the browser , it's t 2505.83 2508.58 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2510.907 2511.514 2511.01 2511.43 Hmm . 2511.43 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2517.269 2518.001 2517.31 2517.9 Okay . 2517.9 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2525.83 2527.635 2525.94 2527.51 Yeah , okay , it's okay . 2526.33 2526.87 2527.51 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2530.286 2531.625 2530.35 2531.53 Okay , great . 2531.08 2531.53 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2530.544 2548.318 2530.71 2548.318 Mm even if you would r change a C_G_I_ for instance . Let's assume that we say we don't do any scene thing , then we could remove like for instance the scenes , right ? I was thinking that here it says that you have online video structure correction . Uh which means that 2534.59 2538.96 2541.31 2542.11 2547.09 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2534.613 2535.12 2534.64 2535.01 Yeah . 2535.01 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2538.75 2540.221 2538.9 2539.96 Okay . Mm . 2539.92 2539.96 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2539.311 2541.753 2539.41 2541.67 Yeah , exactly , yeah . Yeah . 2539.79 2540.25 2541.3 2541.67 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2541.668 2542.383 2541.76 2542.12 Okay . 2542.12 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2547.59 2556.831 2547.83 2556.831 Yeah , but i it's not uh it was uh , you know , thi this is working , the expand all but uh this is uh 2548.17 2550.78 2551.77 2552.77 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2551.394 2552.251 2551.55 2552.08 Okay . 2552.08 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2553.814 2554.188 2553.83 2554.13 Yeah . 2554.13 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2556.885 2563.653 2556.96 2563.55 Uh . This is wish wishable uh functions . Okay , to do this . 2558.48 2562.43 2562.75 2563.55 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2557.507 2558.563 2557.66 2558.52 Work in progress . 2558.52 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2560.331 2600.674 2560.43 2600.674 Yeah , to do list or something . On a video annotation , on a video structure co correction . But i it's not easy on the web with H_ H_T_M_L_ pages to to do uh such corrections like uh video structure corrections for instance . For that you need it's possible maybe uh on interfaces like Flash or Java , uh but still uh i i i there is uh it takes bas more work and but i yeah yeah , I mean it's good good point . 2560.76 2562.77 2563.89 2566.18 2578.41 2586.65 2594.74 2599.78 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2566.156 2566.871 2566.33 2566.72 Okay . 2566.72 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2569.475 2569.99 2569.54 2569.84 Yeah . 2569.84 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2574.361 2574.993 2574.47 2574.87 Input . 2574.87 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2577.518 2578.117 2577.6 2578.0 Okay . 2578.0 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2577.787 2578.403 2577.89 2578.07 No . 2578.07 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2587.178 2589.257 2587.26 2589.18 Yeah uh . Mm . 2588.84 2589.18 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2589.669 2590.234 2589.71 2590.19 Okay . 2590.19 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2590.728 2594.962 2590.79 2594.33 Yeah , mainly the t webpage or for output . 2591.0 2594.33 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2591.843 2593.943 2591.99 2593.943 Okay . No , I was thinking 2592.87 2592.97 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2596.388 2603.155 2596.49 2603.03 No , because I was thinking if it's there , I mean we could use it uh uh we could uh you see but uh yeah . 2596.63 2598.0 2603.03 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2599.186 2601.985 2599.41 2601.89 Yeah . Okay . 2601.4 2601.89 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2603.559 2607.907 2603.6 2607.75 And all these uh file are only uh internal . 2607.75 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2609.614 2613.843 2609.65 2613.843 This mean uh if I go t on uh C CINTETIS CINETIS uh - IN1001 A MIO024 0 2615.242 2618.587 2615.35 2618.39 No , no . Fro from outside we can view them . 2615.56 2616.05 2618.39 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2617.105 2619.626 2617.19 2619.59 From outside of IDIAP we can access this . 2619.59 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2620.589 2623.068 2620.63 2622.94 Yeah , from home I was able to access them . 2621.17 2622.94 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2623.138 2624.634 2623.2 2624.634 With a password or - IN1001 A MIO024 0 2624.684 2625.286 2624.76 2625.04 No . 2625.04 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2624.686 2651.195 2624.86 2651.195 Well uh you we can make for for instance for T_S_R_ T_S_R_ uh videos . Alessandro uh asked me to do the same thing , and we I put uh we had uh like a password convention . So this is possible to make for these videos . So it's not uh 2632.27 2635.15 2641.61 2649.02 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2630.816 2631.455 2630.84 2631.24 Mm . 2631.24 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2633.008 2633.548 2633.15 2633.34 Yeah . 2633.34 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2635.04 2635.575 2635.15 2635.36 Yeah . 2635.36 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2640.406 2643.563 2640.57 2643.45 Okay , yes , okay . Okay . 2641.15 2641.53 2643.02 2643.45 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2641.046 2641.578 2641.12 2641.45 Okay . 2641.45 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2647.41 2654.245 2647.41 2654.04 Nobody actually it has been downloaded several times and people there are some lawyers that are putting no . 2654.04 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2651.76 2652.48 2651.78 2652.18 Yeah . 2652.18 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2653.323 2672.32 2653.35 2672.21 Well if yeah , it is there is no possible productions for these videos . Maybe what I say I'm very tired . But uh if po yeah , it's demo and uh one can say you have to guess the name to but uh yeah . 2654.23 2656.72 2662.65 2664.85 2672.21 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2656.043 2663.639 2656.29 2663.639 But yeah . Y 2656.92 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2658.506 2663.557 2658.55 2663.557 Yeah , okay . 2658.85 2662.86 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2667.072 2667.88 2667.1 2667.69 Yeah , okay . 2667.31 2667.69 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2670.192 2672.298 2670.21 2672.24 Yeah , yes , yeah , okay . 2670.87 2671.48 2671.73 2672.24 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2670.199 2671.983 2670.25 2671.92 Yeah yeah , yeah yeah , no no , yeah . 2670.51 2671.05 2671.41 2671.92 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2673.424 2673.999 2673.44 2673.89 Okay . 2673.89 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2673.505 2676.085 2673.66 2676.085 No . But yeah , it's good to 2674.01 2674.59 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2675.072 2680.665 2675.28 2680.665 Bu y yeah , a good point uh about password protection issues uh or the privacy issues uh 2675.75 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2677.095 2677.553 2677.18 2677.44 Hmm . 2677.44 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2678.625 2679.964 2678.74 2679.77 Yeah , okay . 2679.02 2679.77 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2678.881 2688.169 2679.03 2688.0 Yeah , if we i yeah . It might be good indeed if we start d building some experiments like this still to have a password . Right , yeah , yeah . 2679.24 2681.95 2687.06 2687.57 2687.87 2688.0 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2686.965 2693.804 2687.01 2693.64 Okay . Uh ha yeah , all the framework is ready with a T_R_S_ T_S_R_ videos , so . 2688.24 2689.0 2693.16 2693.64 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2689.861 2690.518 2689.98 2690.14 Uh . 2690.14 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2692.64 2694.928 2692.66 2694.89 Yeah , yeah . Yeah , yeah , I understand , yeah , yeah . Okay . 2692.88 2693.06 2693.23 2693.49 2693.97 2694.13 2694.58 2694.89 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2695.043 2706.069 2695.24 2706.069 Usually what we do sometimes uh okay , just to say something about password protections . Sometimes 2699.2 2702.63 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2716.551 2718.646 2716.72 2718.44 Instead of having um - IN1001 B MIO016 1 2720.851 2771.934 2720.93 2771.87 a purely secure directory we p we we put a co code number like uh so that it's quite impossible to guess instead of video m uh name equals kayak then we would have uh zero six seven uh five or , you know , two . And then this directory from outside we have to take care that okay , not only the video name this U_R_L_ is not accessible , but also we should take care that in fact M_M_M_ it's in M_M_M_ data video browser and this is accessible from outside . We should take care that this directory or in fact this directory is not listable , you know , you cannot list from outside uh with uh F_T_P_ or H_T_T_P_ . 2739.08 2739.69 2740.18 2746.37 2750.06 2760.0 2767.45 2767.77 2771.87 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2730.443 2731.058 2730.53 2730.94 Yeah . 2730.94 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2738.815 2740.114 2738.85 2740.02 Yeah , okay . 2739.58 2740.02 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2738.818 2739.999 2738.9 2739.88 Yeah yeah , yeah yeah . 2739.41 2739.88 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2767.115 2769.466 2767.2 2769.39 Right , okay . Yeah . 2767.51 2769.03 2769.39 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2767.554 2770.672 2767.64 2770.48 Hmm . Yeah , yeah what's , yeah , yeah . 2767.94 2768.97 2769.84 2770.22 2770.48 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2771.861 2772.235 2772.01 2772.09 Hmm . 2772.09 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2772.692 2773.266 2772.8 2773.14 Okay . 2773.14 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2773.454 2814.881 2773.6 2814.881 Yeah , simple things with privacy issues , but uh i there are some methods and everything is possible to make things private . I yeah , I don't know if you want to add anything , but I would say that for the C_ code uh , yeah , I I I just want would like to stress something , is that um , yeah , if you want want to use the new versions , etcetera , I think uh we need to go a little bit through the code and I would be happy to to to help to to for instance the classes about video structure , etcetera , to put them yeah . And 2773.93 2776.33 2784.09 2784.92 2786.87 2792.3 2792.43 2796.54 2797.98 2798.25 2800.6 2800.93 2811.72 2812.15 2814.05 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2779.64 2780.098 2779.7 2779.99 Hmm . 2779.99 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2781.238 2781.82 2781.29 2781.69 Okay . 2781.69 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2805.976 2806.417 2806.0 2806.26 Yeah . 2806.26 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2807.513 2808.286 2807.84 2808.22 Yes . 2808.22 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2811.368 2813.331 2811.48 2813.21 Hmm . Okay , yeah . 2812.47 2812.98 2813.21 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2814.816 2827.323 2815.06 2827.323 Yeah , it was done indeed f to be more general than just to do the shot detection , so that's why the code is a bit more complex , I think , currently . Uh but uh 2815.25 2820.73 2822.95 2823.51 2824.79 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2819.007 2819.465 2819.14 2819.38 Hmm . 2819.38 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2820.935 2821.45 2821.02 2821.41 Yes . 2821.41 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2823.04 2828.381 2823.06 2828.18 Yeah , okay . And the code is based on open C_V_ . 2823.89 2825.37 2828.18 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2829.041 2855.107 2829.12 2854.98 Yeah , in fact it's not there is no tosh i it was called vision lib to read uh to to extract one frame each frame of a video , you know . So it wa from Sebastien it was in the tosh library , but uh it's nothing w to do with tosh and it's using uh uh the open C_V_ and uh some classes from uh Jean-Marc uh for , yeah , Bhattacharya distance , etcetera . 2829.36 2838.54 2839.16 2842.71 2853.07 2853.32 2854.45 2854.98 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2833.236 2833.867 2833.33 2833.5 Yeah . 2833.5 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2838.541 2839.306 2838.62 2839.18 Oh okay . 2839.18 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2843.202 2844.083 2843.27 2843.81 Yeah , yeah . 2843.44 2843.81 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2844.7 2845.49 2844.77 2845.24 Okay . 2845.24 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2846.173 2846.879 2846.42 2846.879 Just - IN1001 C MIO066 2 2847.355 2847.913 2847.44 2847.87 Okay . 2847.87 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2850.833 2851.523 2851.06 2851.4 Yeah . 2851.4 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2853.35 2856.617 2853.77 2856.48 Bhattacharya okay , and so on , okay . Okay . 2854.63 2855.63 2856.1 2856.48 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2855.16 2860.547 2855.26 2860.36 Ah okay , yeah yeah . Yeah , it was the same the same ones as the one you saw uh in my code , yeah . 2855.81 2856.32 2856.6 2860.16 2860.36 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2856.204 2857.534 2856.27 2857.21 Image processing . 2857.21 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2857.936 2859.441 2857.98 2859.32 Okay , okay . 2858.94 2859.32 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2859.361 2860.766 2859.44 2860.53 Image processing and stuff . 2860.53 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2860.428 2871.36 2860.45 2871.21 So we can forget tosh and uh use uh input se the input reader for the the M_ PEG we can re lo use uh open C_V_ . 2871.21 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2863.99 2865.861 2864.05 2865.62 Yeah , yeah . Yeah . 2864.68 2865.38 2865.62 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2864.48 2867.483 2864.54 2867.4 We can forget tosh yeah . 2867.4 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2869.104 2870.726 2869.104 2870.58 Yeah . 2870.58 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2871.772 2874.209 2871.81 2874.14 Yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , definitely , yeah . 2871.95 2872.26 2872.67 2872.84 2873.11 2873.97 2874.14 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2873.192 2873.774 2873.26 2873.6 Okay . 2873.6 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2874.764 2875.387 2874.84 2875.17 Okay . 2875.17 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2876.749 2877.131 2876.8 2876.97 Hmm . 2876.97 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2877.024 2884.173 2877.024 2883.94 Yeah , uh okay . 2883.19 2883.94 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2878.565 2941.241 2878.565 2941.17 Um so it's four thirty , so we need one hour , it's it's good . Just if you want yeah . This is the parameters of the of the C_ programme but uh usage . Video in , okay . Uh the output file X_M_L_ . Output file dist , it's the distance um between each histogram , so that if the X_M_L_ uh you feel there is not enough um uh shots , you can instead of reprocessing the video , you you reprocess this file . And also some other stuff s for instance alpha threshold we talked about is set to two point four and uh yeah , so the uh the the step we always use one and it should be one , because otherwise it's stuck between consecutive frames . 2883.09 2886.05 2886.36 2889.84 2898.55 2900.28 2900.88 2903.5 2904.79 2909.48 2916.24 2918.65 2921.54 2932.56 2937.61 2941.17 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2887.499 2889.379 2887.62 2889.25 Yeah , I think it's it's good , yeah . 2887.77 2888.96 2889.25 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2889.315 2889.706 2889.34 2889.67 It's good . 2889.67 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2891.608 2892.173 2891.65 2892.05 Yeah . 2892.05 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2894.998 2895.53 2895.12 2895.39 Yeah . 2895.39 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2899.867 2900.483 2899.97 2900.45 Yes . 2900.45 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2901.864 2903.349 2902.23 2903.19 Output , hmm . 2903.05 2903.19 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2908.724 2909.805 2909.07 2909.68 Uh yeah . 2909.68 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2920.119 2921.408 2920.19 2921.33 Okay , that's good , yeah . 2920.54 2921.16 2921.33 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2921.454 2922.319 2921.55 2922.24 Okay . 2922.24 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2924.0 2924.815 2924.09 2924.62 Okay . 2924.62 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2929.232 2930.964 2929.25 2930.65 Okay . Yeah . 2930.51 2930.65 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2932.574 2935.12 2932.78 2935.05 Yeah , yeah , okay . 2933.43 2933.97 2935.05 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2938.063 2938.936 2938.21 2938.76 Ah , okay . 2938.42 2938.76 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2940.051 2945.008 2940.2 2944.92 Okay . We can skip some frames . Okay . Yeah . 2940.47 2943.1 2944.57 2944.92 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2942.734 2943.349 2942.81 2943.18 Yeah . 2943.18 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2943.064 2962.986 2943.15 2962.75 Yeah , but uh it doesn't w yeah , it it's better to to keep it one . Yeah . So detection latency is about the um it's half of the windows tha yeah , sliding window , . 2943.55 2945.82 2953.58 2954.79 2961.29 2962.75 2962.75 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2946.737 2947.581 2947.21 2947.41 Okay . 2947.41 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2948.179 2955.302 2948.36 2955.22 Yeah , but why is after , I mean if there is a shot you don't know between because you dropped one frame , you don't know where is the sh uh the d the shot . 2948.56 2949.3 2952.35 2955.22 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2953.04 2954.352 2953.06 2954.19 Yeah , yeah , yeah . 2953.41 2953.76 2954.19 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2959.73 2960.68 2959.91 2960.62 Sliding window . 2960.62 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2962.608 2963.25 2962.68 2963.13 Mm-hmm . 2963.13 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2965.53 2970.887 2965.59 2970.65 Option for key frame extraction , okay . Uh sub-threshold , yeah . Leave it to one , yeah . 2967.03 2967.53 2968.69 2969.76 2970.45 2970.65 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2969.508 2970.559 2969.508 2970.44 Yeah , right . 2969.9 2970.44 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2969.459 2971.696 2969.62 2971.65 Okay . Okay , it's perfect . 2970.61 2971.11 2971.65 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2973.723 2989.763 2973.8 2989.763 Uh yeah . Maybe , I I will uh I will give you this file in uh as a rhy it's a kind of rhythmia , yeah . I just for preparing this uh nice discussion . 2976.86 2977.27 2984.43 2984.67 2989.44 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2974.282 2974.731 2974.33 2974.58 Hmm . 2974.58 IN1001 C MIO066 2 2985.078 2985.593 2985.14 2985.51 Yes . 2985.51 IN1001 A MIO024 0 2989.454 2990.141 2989.77 2989.97 Yeah . 2989.97 IN1001 B MIO016 1 2993.88 3005.887 2993.92 3005.887 M um I'm quite happy to to to do that i it's good when you do uh something that there is someone using it . But uh but 3002.9 IN1001 A MIO024 0 3001.122 3011.871 3001.122 3011.44 I don't know , I'm I'm sure that they will be well I hope they will be a of something like this , yeah . 3005.16 3011.3 3011.44 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3001.89 3004.26 3002.02 3004.23 Yes . Yes . 3003.8 3004.23 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3005.584 3006.131 3005.6 3006.07 Yeah . 3006.07 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3007.471 3008.189 3007.51 3008.03 Mm . 3008.03 IN1001 B MIO016 1 3010.644 3033.296 3010.74 3033.26 At least , yeah , with the interface it's quite funny to to see um d that the q quickly you can do something in in , yeah , in thirty t if the video i ten is ten minutes , in thirty minutes 'cause it's no not a lot of things to change . Or even it can do it uh it can we can do it quite automatically . It can be done , yeah . 3011.04 3011.24 3018.69 3019.02 3021.89 3027.02 3032.3 3033.09 3033.26 IN1001 A MIO024 0 3015.091 3016.055 3015.21 3015.96 The output . 3015.96 IN1001 A MIO024 0 3021.921 3022.42 3022.03 3022.24 Yeah . 3022.24 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3023.856 3028.68 3023.97 3028.56 Yeah , the the browser . Hmm . Hmm . 3024.3 3026.94 3027.64 3028.56 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3030.276 3052.061 3030.33 3051.95 Yes . Yes . Uh so just uh last question maybe , uh so this makes a X_M_L_ file . Okay . This is the the programme to to generating the X_M_L_ file and the the shot . And uh with the kayak you have one problems , you don't have the Real Media , so this is another thing . 3031.68 3032.75 3035.94 3039.52 3040.01 3044.73 3047.83 3050.75 3051.95 IN1001 B MIO016 1 3035.325 3035.788 3035.41 3035.68 Yeah . 3035.68 IN1001 A MIO024 0 3039.99 3041.553 3040.03 3041.4 This generates yeah . 3041.4 IN1001 B MIO016 1 3042.912 3044.459 3042.99 3044.36 Yeah . Yeah . 3044.13 3044.36 IN1001 B MIO016 1 3052.359 3053.058 3052.42 3053.058 Oh yeah , it 3052.71 IN1001 A MIO024 0 3052.34 3054.512 3052.43 3054.48 Ho how do you generate the Real Media , yeah . 3054.35 3054.48 IN1001 B MIO016 1 3054.447 3065.129 3054.52 3065.06 So the Real Media is uh , yeah , a parallel thing that from the A_V_I_ you convert it into Real Media , and it is done on Windows . 3057.18 3057.39 3063.4 3065.06 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3059.212 3059.928 3059.36 3059.86 Okay . 3059.86 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3062.44 3063.172 3062.5 3062.92 Okay . 3062.92 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3065.547 3066.336 3065.61 3066.2 Okay . 3066.2 IN1001 A MIO024 0 3066.134 3066.683 3066.21 3066.57 Okay . 3066.57 IN1001 B MIO016 1 3067.698 3069.15 3067.698 3069.15 Uh - IN1001 C MIO066 2 3067.695 3072.409 3067.72 3072.31 So you have some special tools from uh from Real Media . Okay . 3071.94 3072.31 IN1001 B MIO016 1 3071.371 3097.84 3071.48 3097.71 Yeah . Mm there is a a the free one is okay . You can use the free we have a license here at IDIAP , but uh the if you want to pay , you pay for options such as uh resize or cropping , but in fact maybe we don't need that , and uh it's called Elix producer . 3073.0 3077.58 3080.97 3085.45 3090.52 3092.79 3097.71 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3080.512 3081.051 3080.61 3080.98 Hmm . 3080.98 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3083.396 3084.152 3083.5 3084.02 Mm . 3084.02 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3089.304 3091.133 3089.39 3090.97 Okay . Hmm . 3090.39 3090.97 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3093.237 3094.96 3093.32 3094.85 Hmm , okay , okay . 3093.78 3094.58 3094.85 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3098.496 3099.617 3098.52 3099.49 Okay , I heard it . 3098.96 3099.49 IN1001 B MIO016 1 3103.428 3110.066 3103.55 3110.066 Yeah , I forgot yeah , yeah uh , Elix producer and and that's it . You can you can i it it i 3103.67 3104.25 3105.11 3107.17 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3106.768 3107.375 3106.89 3107.25 Okay . 3107.25 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3108.498 3111.697 3108.64 3111.66 But uh anyway you need you need to have Windows to make these . 3111.66 IN1001 B MIO016 1 3112.628 3113.243 3112.7 3113.15 Yes . 3113.15 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3113.546 3119.18 3113.57 3119.18 So I will ask you or someone else , okay . 3116.36 3118.89 IN1001 B MIO016 1 3115.367 3121.212 3115.46 3121.1 Yeah . Uh yeah . 3119.15 3121.1 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3120.919 3122.698 3121.04 3122.58 Okay , okay , understand . 3121.56 3121.9 3122.58 IN1001 B MIO016 1 3123.515 3126.171 3123.6 3126.171 And yeah , with Real Media 3124.49 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3124.244 3129.433 3124.36 3129.34 Okay . But this is this is made by a programme done outside IDIAP . Okay . 3125.05 3128.99 3129.34 IN1001 B MIO016 1 3130.437 3169.614 3130.55 3169.53 Well this is you can buy or you can order for free on internet . No , no no no , for the Real Media . And um you didn't see , but the Re the Real Media um is called via a real server , so it's R_T_S_P_ the connection , and i it's streaming video streaming , so it's not H_T_T_P_ . So that it can play uh smoothly and but we are still uh investigating for the video formats , because um i it's not supported for instance uh uh in Java , in Java applications uh etcetera . 3135.73 3136.16 3136.59 3137.78 3139.59 3146.84 3148.53 3151.16 3152.78 3158.84 3167.0 3169.53 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3130.896 3137.134 3130.92 3136.93 This is yes , right , okay . This not uh IDIAP programme . Okay , okay . 3132.99 3133.69 3134.39 3136.12 3136.64 3136.93 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3146.072 3146.754 3146.21 3146.63 Hmm . 3146.63 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3148.776 3149.15 3148.87 3149.12 Yeah . 3149.12 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3150.416 3151.232 3150.44 3151.16 Yeah , okay . 3150.82 3151.16 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3152.82 3154.658 3152.85 3154.51 Yeah . Mm . 3154.15 3154.51 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3159.183 3159.923 3159.31 3159.76 Um . 3159.76 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3164.043 3164.476 3164.14 3164.31 Hmm . 3164.31 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3166.982 3167.639 3167.27 3167.41 Hmm . 3167.41 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3170.092 3170.633 3170.16 3170.58 Hmm . 3170.58 IN1001 A MIO024 0 3170.406 3178.355 3170.57 3178.3 Oh o o , oh yeah , you mean the Java framework , uh what uh Mike presented . We cannot play uh Real Media , okay . 3171.35 3171.59 3173.95 3175.84 3177.87 3178.3 IN1001 B MIO016 1 3171.631 3172.72 3171.71 3172.34 Real Media . 3172.34 IN1001 B MIO016 1 3175.581 3181.568 3175.63 3181.48 Yeah . Real Media , so there are many issues about that , but yeah . 3177.15 3178.16 3180.97 3181.48 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3178.32 3178.877 3178.4 3178.69 Hmm . 3178.69 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3181.861 3182.501 3181.91 3182.4 Okay . 3182.4 IN1001 A MIO024 0 3181.981 3182.554 3182.05 3182.43 Okay . 3182.43 IN1001 B MIO016 1 3183.197 3186.379 3183.197 3186.25 It's another problem . Yeah . 3185.81 3186.25 IN1001 A MIO024 0 3184.278 3186.182 3184.5 3185.94 Formats , formats , yeah . 3185.12 3185.82 3185.94 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3184.727 3186.976 3184.727 3186.81 Mm . 3186.81 IN1001 A MIO024 0 3187.791 3205.858 3187.84 3205.858 Okay , so I think this was good to see the the tool and uh tomorrow we are going to re-say most of the things , but shorter I f I believe , right , I mean it's bad to explain . And I think maybe later w yeah , we we can start doing simple 3188.04 3197.51 3199.15 3199.43 3201.87 3203.46 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3189.932 3192.274 3190.01 3192.15 Okay . Thank you . 3191.64 3192.15 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3198.062 3200.107 3198.09 3200.07 Okay . Yes . 3199.66 3200.07 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3204.865 3212.442 3204.97 3212.36 I think for test I can take the real demo and make the the full processing . 3212.36 IN1001 A MIO024 0 3207.879 3211.644 3208.02 3211.644 Yeah , yeah , yeah . Yeah , the full uh 3208.33 3208.58 3209.98 3210.47 IN1001 A MIO024 0 3213.089 3229.325 3213.22 3229.12 Yeah , mi this might be interesting to see tomorrow . Of course maybe there was the ah , one hundred seventy shots , or it's a lot , but uh after I mean at this point we do we have nothing we can do unless they know what they want to do with it , right ? 3213.5 3215.44 3217.57 3219.01 3220.86 3229.01 3229.12 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3213.887 3214.785 3214.0 3214.785 So I will - IN1001 C MIO066 2 3219.732 3220.323 3219.81 3220.12 Yeah . 3220.12 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3224.216 3224.847 3224.28 3224.64 Yeah . 3224.64 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3228.667 3229.041 3228.76 3228.94 Yeah . 3228.94 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3230.627 3231.076 3230.65 3230.88 Okay . 3230.88 IN1001 B MIO016 1 3231.608 3240.694 3231.7 3240.58 Yeah , that was a single video structuring , but it's uh other level uh it can uh it's quite uh it's researched , yeah . 3231.93 3234.07 3240.04 3240.58 IN1001 A MIO024 0 3236.843 3250.759 3236.9 3250.67 Yeah , yeah . Yeah , but I think I think is it's too it's going very be very to be very good for them to visualise how you can organise things and maybe what they can do , how they and so this is important . 3237.74 3239.22 3239.44 3247.87 3250.67 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3237.653 3238.268 3237.79 3238.12 Hmm . 3238.12 IN1001 B MIO016 1 3244.644 3245.226 3244.78 3245.0 Yeah . 3245.0 IN1001 B MIO016 1 3250.899 3284.348 3250.98 3284.348 Yeah , last thing uh this is a kind of uh X_M_L_ that is outputted , so so it's uh the structure is such as uh vi video segmentation with uh videos in begin and then for each shot you have an I_D_ well this is the terms from M_ PEG seven convention , but anyway . Shot begin and end . Uh a sh the shot key frame that is the middle here . Uh sub-shot 3251.19 3255.64 3274.14 3275.44 3278.06 3282.22 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3259.609 3260.241 3259.68 3260.15 Okay . 3260.15 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3264.208 3265.301 3264.23 3265.23 Mm okay . 3265.23 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3267.585 3269.291 3267.72 3269.12 I have some informations . 3269.12 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3281.151 3296.639 3281.22 3296.49 Okay . And uh in this in this the begin and end the number is the for example the end is zero dot twelve twelve is uh this frame too , yeah . Okay . 3282.22 3295.45 3296.11 3296.49 IN1001 B MIO016 1 3291.585 3294.487 3291.84 3294.43 Yeah , you're right . Twelve frames . 3291.98 3293.55 3294.43 IN1001 B MIO016 1 3297.075 3308.828 3297.14 3308.72 And in fact that's what I output in uh on the yeah , I think y on the interface . And there is only one sub-shot because uh w yeah . 3303.02 3305.24 3308.72 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3299.814 3301.635 3299.89 3301.42 Okay . Okay . 3301.09 3301.42 IN1001 A MIO024 0 3303.839 3304.662 3303.94 3304.54 Mm-hmm , yeah . 3304.35 3304.54 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3305.015 3305.765 3305.23 3305.72 Okay . 3305.72 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3310.1 3310.599 3310.18 3310.5 Okay . 3310.5 IN1001 A MIO024 0 3311.168 3312.655 3311.19 3312.46 Yeah , initially yeah . 3311.3 3312.46 IN1001 B MIO016 1 3311.123 3327.268 3311.35 3327.2 There was there was problems with detecting the sub-shots , etcetera . But uh yeah well . Yeah , I tr well uh not with this one , but yeah , I tried to code some stuff uh it but uh I'm not so confident in the way uh it is uh coded . 3314.07 3315.12 3317.51 3317.83 3319.55 3319.92 3327.2 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3314.99 3316.022 3315.09 3316.022 What what - IN1001 A MIO024 0 3315.075 3318.451 3315.1 3318.451 Well , we didn't because you tried to do something 3315.46 IN1001 A MIO024 0 3326.257 3343.511 3326.38 3343.47 Okay . Yeah , like for instance if we need to find sub-shots , usually it it for instance is better to have the whole shot to decide on how to build the sub-shots . But it's true that maybe I if you store all the distance at that the distances we could do some basic stuff . 3327.88 3328.13 3330.06 3337.44 3343.47 IN1001 B MIO016 1 3336.173 3336.771 3336.173 3336.65 Yeah . 3336.65 IN1001 B MIO016 1 3340.985 3341.608 3341.03 3341.46 Yeah . 3341.46 IN1001 B MIO016 1 3343.788 3378.52 3343.85 3378.52 But we yeah , even we should uh for instance for the videos uh for the spectral clustering , for the clustering . Here uh I store the consecutive the distance between consecutive histograms , but we could uh store the matrix that's yeah . And then uh yeah . And I think i there are many possible things with uh spectral clustering , but but the uh with um there is one parameter that is very c wha I can't remember , what is the parameter uh 3345.98 3351.48 3352.84 3360.31 3364.58 3367.0 3370.57 3377.01 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3344.1 3344.757 3344.17 3344.59 Okay . 3344.59 IN1001 A MIO024 0 3360.0 3365.366 3360.02 3365.12 Okay . Yeah yeah , yeah . Yeah yeah , yeah . Yeah , yeah . That's the thing , yeah . 3361.46 3361.82 3362.21 3362.51 3362.81 3363.15 3364.26 3364.98 3365.12 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3364.729 3367.078 3365.01 3366.95 Uh . Okay . 3366.69 3366.95 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3368.352 3368.874 3368.39 3368.79 Mm . 3368.79 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3369.984 3371.79 3370.1 3371.79 Just what what - IN1001 A MIO024 0 3377.806 3384.736 3377.95 3384.56 Ah , th the gap you mean or no ? Oh no , you mean in the Bhattacharya distance . 3378.69 3382.11 3382.47 3384.56 IN1001 B MIO016 1 3381.384 3381.958 3381.42 3381.67 Yeah . 3381.67 IN1001 B MIO016 1 3383.845 3391.863 3383.93 3391.863 No no no no , the in the the gap to find the the good number of clusters is so sensitive uh 3384.5 IN1001 A MIO024 0 3387.12 3388.953 3387.21 3388.82 Yeah . Yeah , yeah . Yeah . 3387.93 3388.07 3388.51 3388.82 IN1001 A MIO024 0 3390.117 3391.514 3390.18 3391.46 Yeah . Yeah . 3391.27 3391.46 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3393.078 3393.651 3393.16 3393.54 Hmm . 3393.54 IN1001 B MIO016 1 3393.439 3397.634 3393.51 3397.51 Yeah , anyway . It's it's a bit later in the in the report . 3393.84 3395.04 3397.51 IN1001 A MIO024 0 3400.127 3400.676 3400.2 3400.61 Okay . 3400.61 IN1001 B MIO016 1 3405.318 3410.108 3405.38 3409.95 So anytimes , yeah , I would be happy to to to help you with that . 3406.08 3406.54 3409.95 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3407.919 3411.004 3407.98 3410.94 Yeah , okay . Okay . 3408.73 3410.33 3410.94 IN1001 A MIO024 0 3413.451 3414.39 3413.87 3414.03 So . 3414.03 IN1001 C MIO066 2 3414.663 3415.278 3414.68 3415.12 It's okay . 3415.12 IN1001 A MIO024 0 3415.335 3415.893 3415.36 3415.81 It's okay . 3415.81 IN1001 B MIO016 1 3441.846 3443.16 3441.93 3442.98 Yeah , yeah , you can we can go . 3442.12 3442.33 3442.98 IN1002 D MIO078 3 36.355 40.247 36.42 40.247 A lapel is also there . 39.91 IN1002 A MIO022 0 38.653 39.018 38.72 38.91 No . 38.91 IN1002 B MIO076 1 41.723 42.646 41.97 42.44 Okay . 42.44 IN1002 D MIO078 3 42.504 43.158 42.57 43.08 Okay . 43.08 IN1002 B MIO076 1 44.436 48.157 44.436 48.08 Okay , so should I start ? 46.61 48.08 IN1002 A MIO022 0 48.978 49.477 49.07 49.44 Yep . 49.44 IN1002 C MIO050 2 49.031 49.563 49.23 49.53 Yeah . 49.53 IN1002 D MIO078 3 49.484 49.953 49.61 49.88 Yeah . 49.88 IN1002 B MIO076 1 49.766 74.281 49.9 74.25 Okay . So I think it's better to first have a presentation of my work and then we can discuss uh with this crash in temp in temp uh what we can do uh for my future to to continue my research , because apparently I I will have serious problems , okay . So I will start with the presentation of my work . 50.51 66.78 70.26 70.86 74.25 IN1002 A MIO022 0 74.795 77.971 74.91 77.82 Uh you can be sitting here itself and do the presentation . 77.82 IN1002 D MIO078 3 75.006 77.318 75.006 77.03 Yeah . 77.03 IN1002 B MIO076 1 76.504 77.244 76.61 77.2 Mm . 77.2 IN1002 B MIO076 1 78.425 135.912 78.52 135.59 Okay . I start like this then . Okay , so it's uh my g work is generally about uh using posteriors in uh speech recognition systems and uh somehow enhancing the estimation of posteriors , getting new posteriors which are havi which are more informative by somehow integrating some extra knowledge like uh prior knowledge and contextual information related to the problem and then use this posterior estimation uh uh method uh for designing hierarchical uh speech recognition system . So in this hierarchical arg architecture I will be able to uh integrate the extra knowledge at the proper level of hierarchy , and I will be al also uh able to uh combine different kind of uh knowledge or sources uh sources of knowledge I have . 79.21 82.12 82.41 93.73 115.94 125.63 135.59 IN1002 D MIO078 3 79.58 80.794 79.69 80.71 Yeah , that's better . 79.88 80.71 IN1002 B MIO076 1 135.912 161.029 136.45 160.9 Uh well as you know uh generally posteriors are estimated using uh neural networks and more specifically M_L_P_s in a speech recognition system , so uh time limited window of a speech signal is uh represented by some cepstral features , which are then processed by an M_L_P_ and it gives us some evidence as in the form of pos phone posteriors . 147.82 154.52 160.9 IN1002 B MIO076 1 161.029 193.51 161.19 193.37 Then we use these phone posteriors as features or as scores for for either just decoding or d uh uh n d training and inference training and then decoding . Uh but we know that uh in this uh in this case we are not able to integrate contextual information uh uh line contextual information , and we are not able to integrate the prior knowledge we can have about phone use or about 176.23 187.78 IN1002 B MIO076 1 193.51 215.579 193.73 215.4 uh words in the posterior estimation , so the main motivation is to see if we can integrate this kind of extra knowledge in the posterior estimation . So what is proposed to solve this problem is to use a uh what we formally use in H_M_M_ formalism , which is called gamma uh state posterior . 196.36 205.24 212.21 215.4 IN1002 B MIO076 1 215.579 249.109 215.78 248.47 Uh i uh as a posterior for uh training uh or decoding , so it's uh well as you know it's a state posterior probablility in a H_M_M_ , which is defined as the probability of being in a specific H_M_M_ state at a specific time , having the whole observation sequence and the model . So whole observation sequence means having complete contextual information and the mod uh and the model can encode some kind of prior knowledge for us by means of uh topological constraints . 221.31 227.64 232.92 236.2 248.47 IN1002 B MIO076 1 249.109 274.052 250.27 273.84 Uh well you know it's uh this gam uh gamma posterior is written in terms of forward and backward H_M_M_ recursions , and actually one way to use this uh gamma posteriors is uh using these posteriors as some kind of newer scores for decoding . So in this case it will be uh similar to hybrid method . 260.04 270.26 273.84 IN1002 B MIO076 1 274.052 307.72 274.27 307.44 Um the the difference is that we do one more step , uh maybe I can explain it better there . So we do one more step here , and we uh here by means of another H_M_M_ we introduce some kind of uh prior knowledge and contextual information , we get better evidences than what i we initially had here , and then we do the uh decoding and the and s more informative posteriors uh uh instead of this one . 279.53 283.49 285.64 293.52 297.81 307.44 IN1002 B MIO076 1 307.72 338.24 307.96 338.06 So we are expecting to uh the system to perform better and more robust to noisy cases . Here you see uh some results uh and how uh how what is the effect of introducing uh reasonable prior knowledge , so different uh rows in this table are showing different level of noise and also clean speech , and different columns are showing different kind of posteriors or gamma posteriors . 315.29 326.56 333.27 338.06 IN1002 B MIO076 1 338.24 365.527 338.52 365.33 So uh the the first column is showing the uh our baseline system , which is getting estimate of posteriors out of M_L_P_ uh and then d using these posteriors for decoding . And the other columns are showing the performance of uh different kind of gamma , so uh gamma which is estimated using uh information about minimum duration of phonemes , about 344.72 352.24 357.07 364.79 IN1002 B MIO076 1 365.527 396.896 365.76 396.78 possible transition between phonemes and some kind some uh more prior knowledge like uh which wo like uh which word is composed of which phonemes and uh g uh gram grammatical knowledge ab uh about transition between words and things like this . So as you see , introducing more reasonable prior knowledge um will h help to have better performance in almo in almost all the cases . 384.76 385.31 396.78 IN1002 B MIO076 1 396.896 424.188 397.1 424.02 And here I compare the performance of the gamma base system with the standard H_M_M_ G_M_M_ system , which is based on uh doing decoding uh using uh likelihood as the scores , and the difference is that our system use uh is using posteriors for decoding , so as you see s uh it's working uh better than the standard H_M_M_ G_M_M_ system . 404.15 411.89 418.15 424.02 IN1002 B MIO076 1 424.188 453.38 424.46 453.24 And finally the conclusion is uh he here we saw how we can get uh some more informative posteriors by introducing extra knowledge like prior and contextual information , and then using this uh uh p posterior estimation method to design hierarchical uh speech recognition system which we're which which the goal is to have a better , more efficient and more robust system . 436.36 451.18 453.24 IN1002 B MIO076 1 453.38 486.314 453.96 486.06 So if you want now we can discuss about um uh the crash and the loss of data , so uh well I lost all the posteriors I was I uh I used as input uh for my system , so the gamma are somehow estimated or computed on top of posteriors . And now I don't have any posterior and uh probably the scripts generating that posterior , so what I can do okay . 461.29 471.49 477.17 482.92 486.06 IN1002 D MIO078 3 486.593 492.172 486.73 492.06 Uh you go to the table , you have there like the big table , you told and then we can discuss . 488.15 490.24 492.06 IN1002 B MIO076 1 490.032 490.516 490.11 490.45 Okay . 490.45 IN1002 B MIO076 1 493.908 494.565 494.24 494.43 Okay . 494.43 IN1002 D MIO078 3 494.356 499.237 494.48 499.16 So which I think I have all the gammas , no ? Especially gamma full models I have . 496.96 497.08 499.16 IN1002 B MIO076 1 500.512 515.812 500.66 515.812 Gamma full model , but uh what about other ones and what about the f posterior , because because I I uh you know , I cannot uh stop my resea I I may do something else , you know , in future with this uh and well I need posteriors to 501.6 505.05 507.36 511.06 511.59 IN1002 D MIO078 3 504.895 506.043 504.96 506.043 Yeah , posteriors 505.08 IN1002 A MIO022 0 515.235 521.405 515.37 521.405 Now you need the different method from how from gammas you can generate the posteriors . 521.1 IN1002 B MIO076 1 518.114 522.772 518.114 522.71 Yeah . 522.71 IN1002 D MIO078 3 518.874 525.335 519.59 525.335 And posteriors . Even you have those three state perform gammas also , you have all these 521.78 524.34 IN1002 B MIO076 1 525.456 532.448 525.61 532.39 Uh no no , I don't have them there were all under temp . You you we have that because you uh stored them . 526.27 529.42 532.39 IN1002 D MIO078 3 529.488 530.087 529.62 529.92 Huh . 529.92 IN1002 D MIO078 3 532.018 532.741 532.06 532.69 Ah okay . 532.69 IN1002 A MIO022 0 532.653 533.235 532.71 533.18 Okay . 533.18 IN1002 B MIO076 1 532.927 533.286 532.95 533.23 So . 533.23 IN1002 D MIO078 3 533.789 537.231 533.85 537.231 So now yeah , now you can write another paper if you can 534.52 IN1002 C MIO050 2 534.901 539.89 535.04 539.89 Yeah , you can go back up to the feature , you know . Up to 535.35 536.86 539.22 IN1002 B MIO076 1 537.348 549.764 537.39 549.764 Yeah . Yeah . Maybe maybe some other m uh P_H_D_ student should be hired to work on , you know , the generating gamma . 538.32 539.09 544.7 545.26 549.14 IN1002 C MIO050 2 542.767 543.308 542.85 543.13 Mm . 543.13 IN1002 D MIO078 3 544.481 547.459 544.65 547.459 Gammas to posterior . 547.12 IN1002 A MIO022 0 547.617 553.978 547.617 553.94 Uh I was just um let's talk about little about this presentation itself , the slide number six . 552.77 553.94 IN1002 B MIO076 1 558.006 559.411 558.006 559.17 Six , okay . 558.87 559.17 IN1002 A MIO022 0 558.91 568.436 559.11 568.3 Okay , how you feel it is important that you're taking the context of the whole utterance ? How important it could be ? Is it not a possibility that you're having less context ? 559.79 564.33 565.6 568.3 IN1002 B MIO076 1 569.652 571.723 569.77 571.58 Less context , what you mean ? 571.03 571.58 IN1002 A MIO022 0 571.027 584.178 571.027 584.178 instead of having context from one to capital D_ , which is for the whole utterance , which doesn't make much sense in general . So what is a possibility that you can cut the context instead of having the context from 573.96 575.78 579.13 IN1002 B MIO076 1 574.863 575.745 574.98 575.745 Uh - IN1002 B MIO076 1 577.532 579.74 577.58 579.57 Yes . Yeah . 579.3 579.57 IN1002 B MIO076 1 583.898 586.599 584.02 586.49 You mean a smaller context instead of this . 586.49 IN1002 A MIO022 0 585.477 586.159 585.53 586.07 That's right . 586.07 IN1002 A MIO022 0 587.36 606.027 587.38 605.88 Might be left or right , everything there , but not the whole context . Because it's it's a fact that when you are having one utterance , so it one utterances link up full sentence or something , and there might not be much breaks in it . So in that sense it doesn't make sense that you are going too much in the past and then you are trying to compute something which is not related . 588.47 589.12 591.02 594.72 597.69 599.9 605.88 IN1002 B MIO076 1 594.182 594.689 594.25 594.59 Mm-hmm . 594.59 IN1002 B MIO076 1 597.22 597.783 597.42 597.62 Mm . 597.62 IN1002 B MIO076 1 599.224 600.488 599.35 600.41 Yeah . Yes . 599.92 600.41 IN1002 B MIO076 1 603.548 604.188 603.63 604.08 Yeah . 604.08 IN1002 B MIO076 1 605.964 623.933 606.1 623.78 Yeah , b well , even they can have some information which are not so meaningful or uh which are not related . Yeah well , but then I will have the problem to find the optimum amount of context . How much context should I take ? 606.33 607.22 614.11 615.25 621.75 623.78 IN1002 A MIO022 0 620.831 621.355 620.9 621.22 Mm-hmm . 621.22 IN1002 A MIO022 0 624.058 629.18 624.12 629.09 Kind of let's say idea is usually hundred milliseconds or one second . 629.09 IN1002 D MIO078 3 624.103 625.625 624.16 625.37 I two hundred . 625.37 IN1002 D MIO078 3 627.511 628.774 627.59 628.48 Two hundred millisecond . 628.48 IN1002 B MIO076 1 629.138 629.87 629.24 629.67 Mm-hmm . 629.67 IN1002 D MIO078 3 630.4 636.409 630.49 636.33 So but for numbers I think it may be okay , numbers hardly yeah . one two . 632.3 635.69 636.33 IN1002 A MIO022 0 633.58 638.277 633.67 638.0 Yeah , numbers it might be okay , because most of the sentences might be three seconds or something . 634.1 635.16 638.0 IN1002 D MIO078 3 637.723 648.504 637.81 648.39 Even less than that , yeah . Just few words , like so but if for or something , like if it's really long sentence of ten seconds or something , you may not really need so much con 638.68 639.06 639.93 642.72 646.3 IN1002 B MIO076 1 638.539 639.022 638.64 638.82 Mm . 638.82 IN1002 A MIO022 0 639.9 640.332 640.06 640.21 Yeah . 640.21 IN1002 B MIO076 1 640.987 641.619 641.15 641.48 Okay . 641.48 IN1002 A MIO022 0 647.661 651.227 647.86 651.17 That m that match of context to computer commas . 651.17 IN1002 D MIO078 3 651.065 654.648 651.16 654.648 I know , it's really computationally very intensive also , like if you use 651.37 653.61 IN1002 A MIO022 0 653.907 654.489 653.93 654.27 Mm-hmm . 654.27 IN1002 B MIO076 1 654.833 658.051 655.02 657.94 Okay . Yeah , that's a good idea . That's reasonable . 655.62 655.98 657.06 657.94 IN1002 A MIO022 0 660.076 673.828 660.14 673.828 Okay , so when we are talking about them , then my story they are the worst I think . Yeah . I cannot generate posteriors . So there is 660.45 663.11 669.32 670.23 673.1 IN1002 B MIO076 1 660.306 660.805 660.49 660.75 Mm . 660.75 IN1002 D MIO078 3 665.422 670.003 665.422 669.63 So pretty much all the posteriors are from you only . 669.63 IN1002 B MIO076 1 669.883 670.315 669.98 670.21 Yeah . 670.21 IN1002 B MIO076 1 672.295 676.079 672.37 676.079 Yeah . And and you don't have uh scripts for 673.0 IN1002 A MIO022 0 676.086 678.622 676.13 678.53 I don't have the C_ files also presently with me . 678.53 IN1002 D MIO078 3 676.162 676.88 676.21 676.59 Sk - IN1002 B MIO076 1 677.714 697.27 677.87 697.27 Ah , okay , you do you have just your , no ? And what could happen if you don't even have your ? 678.12 678.44 680.92 686.66 696.94 IN1002 C MIO050 2 678.55 679.157 678.63 679.08 Mm-hmm . 679.08 IN1002 A MIO022 0 680.795 686.506 680.9 686.46 Yeah . No , . My said that enough is enough . 683.02 684.34 684.34 686.46 IN1002 D MIO078 3 689.69 695.702 689.69 695.43 Oh , you know . 694.49 695.43 IN1002 A MIO022 0 689.97 702.588 690.1 702.55 Yeah , and then I then I would have taken two years extension . Yeah , it was it was pretty scary , but let's see what happens . 690.31 697.25 697.56 700.07 702.55 IN1002 C MIO050 2 693.523 694.205 693.73 694.03 Mm-hmm . 694.03 IN1002 B MIO076 1 700.002 700.484 700.09 700.42 Mm . 700.42 IN1002 D MIO078 3 702.461 711.116 702.461 710.36 But al for your case you don't need really complicated posterior , you just need some P_L_P_s and then . 707.64 710.36 IN1002 B MIO076 1 710.203 710.703 710.26 710.59 Yes . 710.59 IN1002 C MIO050 2 710.035 719.156 710.32 719.07 Yeah , you can then you know , because if most did it on , what , numbers and one of couple of C_T_F_ experiments , right ? 710.6 711.49 713.95 714.98 718.76 719.07 IN1002 B MIO076 1 719.194 726.135 719.32 725.97 N yeah , I uh for C_T_S_ Petr uh still I think have he didn't uh lose anything , so . 719.63 725.61 725.97 IN1002 D MIO078 3 725.318 730.48 725.63 730.33 No , but but ma he's he may be linking to Matthew I guess , because Matthew got the wav files . 725.77 728.54 730.33 IN1002 C MIO050 2 728.903 730.832 728.99 730.832 No no no , no no , I uh probably might 729.53 729.83 IN1002 D MIO078 3 732.284 734.471 732.36 734.1 But you got the all the wav files , so . 733.73 734.1 IN1002 C MIO050 2 732.338 742.225 733.48 742.225 Uh . Yeah , but the wave file is th that's in the temp only , right ? So so the only thing is that I can recover it back from Berkeley 734.04 734.34 736.54 736.84 IN1002 D MIO078 3 736.944 738.716 737.12 738.716 Yeah , so that's what I'm saying , like 737.33 738.27 IN1002 D MIO078 3 740.735 748.154 740.735 747.91 Uh yeah . Yeah , yeah . So if he got features then it's okay , otherwise if he has to generate again , he can't generate . 742.5 742.64 742.84 744.79 747.09 747.91 IN1002 A MIO022 0 741.419 742.89 741.45 742.76 ICSI , mm-hmm . 742.39 742.76 IN1002 A MIO022 0 747.282 757.773 747.42 757.46 Because even um Petr has lost a lot . He's having only the results with him . He doesn't have the files , the real the real s ones . 750.95 753.21 755.64 757.46 IN1002 D MIO078 3 750.349 750.965 750.58 750.84 Yeah . 750.84 IN1002 D MIO078 3 752.777 753.334 752.8 753.334 So - IN1002 B MIO076 1 753.364 754.051 753.51 753.84 Ah . 753.84 IN1002 D MIO078 3 755.559 756.542 755.67 756.542 Because - IN1002 C MIO050 2 756.355 766.976 756.355 766.976 No , everything we w if th if they say that we cannot recover it , then I can quickly get it back from ICSI in a couple of days . I can put all the system back here . But uh 756.8 760.52 763.55 766.3 IN1002 D MIO078 3 764.968 765.458 765.03 765.37 Yeah . 765.37 IN1002 B MIO076 1 765.178 765.99 765.178 765.89 Okay . 765.89 IN1002 A MIO022 0 765.413 765.887 765.48 765.78 Mm-hmm . 765.78 IN1002 D MIO078 3 766.99 777.001 767.09 777.001 But the p everybody has features in temp , only most of the time all the C_T_S_ features or C_T_S_ wav files , so . So forget about C_T_S_ , at least now I think because it's again 769.0 772.85 773.65 775.04 IN1002 A MIO022 0 770.444 770.851 770.48 770.72 Yeah . 770.72 IN1002 C MIO050 2 772.741 773.281 772.87 773.18 Mm yeah . 773.18 IN1002 A MIO022 0 775.876 778.362 776.08 778.362 Yeah , because even to download that much of data 776.34 IN1002 B MIO076 1 776.172 776.641 776.28 776.53 Mm . 776.53 IN1002 D MIO078 3 778.307 780.194 778.41 780.01 It takes at least one or two weeks . 780.01 IN1002 C MIO050 2 778.444 793.761 778.56 793.69 Yeah , a lot of time no , it I can dow obviously downloading is another thing . The only thing is that I have to do is that they have uh data in uh one particular structure , so I have to first of all , you know , organise create tar files , and then I can get it back here . 778.76 780.61 782.77 788.47 789.59 789.86 791.69 793.69 IN1002 D MIO078 3 782.834 785.739 782.97 785.739 But segmentation . 785.13 IN1002 A MIO022 0 788.168 788.691 788.24 788.59 Mm-hmm . 788.59 IN1002 A MIO022 0 791.816 792.365 792.02 792.29 Mm-hmm . 792.29 IN1002 A MIO022 0 793.388 794.4 793.41 794.23 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 793.9 794.23 IN1002 D MIO078 3 793.902 797.286 794.06 797.14 But you say do you need to do some segmentation also , on top of that , so . 796.2 796.91 797.14 IN1002 A MIO022 0 797.42 800.114 797.47 800.114 And then you have to get the L_P_ P_L_P_ features and - IN1002 C MIO050 2 800.107 812.064 800.21 811.93 Yeah , that I can get all those things . All th all those m yeah . Yeah , but the those files can be recovered easily , only thing is that uh now if they had to say that we cannot recover it . 800.4 801.97 804.9 805.2 807.97 811.93 IN1002 A MIO022 0 801.467 807.105 801.5 806.85 Okay . Because tho those files are also very big , they are not single files . So there should not be any break . 801.89 803.64 805.44 806.85 IN1002 D MIO078 3 805.127 806.094 805.33 806.094 They're - IN1002 D MIO078 3 812.12 815.473 812.25 815.473 Yeah , the we can wait at least one or two weeks for this , because it's 812.6 814.65 IN1002 C MIO050 2 813.568 824.538 813.74 824.47 Uh uh one uh one uh day one o one , two days , like this week I can wait and see . If they cannot recover it , then I can just get all the data from ICSI and put back the C_T_S_ system . 816.7 817.19 819.51 820.54 824.47 IN1002 A MIO022 0 814.916 815.479 815.11 815.35 Mm-hmm . 815.35 IN1002 D MIO078 3 823.688 838.104 823.94 837.86 But still , I think we can't really do these things before ICAS because yeah . So maybe we can concentrate work especially on numbers now and then we can go to C_T_S_ . So in numbers case , what do you really need like ? 824.34 828.42 835.69 836.82 837.86 IN1002 C MIO050 2 827.317 828.483 827.37 828.26 No , we cannot do . 827.65 828.26 IN1002 A MIO022 0 832.87 833.377 832.95 833.28 Mm-hmm . 833.28 IN1002 A MIO022 0 835.018 835.5 835.05 835.37 Mm-hmm . 835.37 IN1002 C MIO050 2 834.884 835.541 835.08 835.46 Yeah . 835.46 IN1002 B MIO076 1 838.392 848.412 838.58 848.34 Mm just uh po uh pi uh posterior estimated using P_L_P_ features for number , which I think we can we can rate it . 846.23 848.34 IN1002 A MIO022 0 844.936 846.373 845.05 846.34 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 845.51 846.0 846.34 IN1002 D MIO078 3 845.945 851.815 846.09 851.72 Yeah , basically yeah , w we need to generate again P_L_P_s , but wave files are there . 846.33 847.85 850.22 851.72 IN1002 A MIO022 0 848.493 849.05 848.56 848.97 Mm-hmm . 848.97 IN1002 A MIO022 0 850.429 850.929 850.57 850.86 Mm-hmm . 850.86 IN1002 A MIO022 0 851.702 855.811 851.77 855.68 Yeah , P_L_P_ numbers ninety five database is there , fine . 852.02 855.37 855.68 IN1002 B MIO076 1 854.565 857.868 854.81 857.7 Uh P_L_P_ , they're also last . Okay . 855.88 857.34 857.7 IN1002 D MIO078 3 856.801 857.907 856.96 857.907 Yeah , P_L_P_s 857.21 IN1002 A MIO022 0 857.225 857.765 857.25 857.63 Yeah . 857.63 IN1002 C MIO050 2 857.952 861.661 857.99 860.82 Everything that . 860.82 IN1002 A MIO022 0 859.064 871.272 859.25 871.23 Everything is lost . And uh if if you really ask me even the structure which was there real every point by point how P_L_P_ is well generated , that information is also not there . 860.88 869.51 871.23 IN1002 B MIO076 1 865.189 865.754 865.25 865.62 Mm-hmm . 865.62 IN1002 D MIO078 3 871.228 875.457 871.228 875.457 But you're generating P_L_P_s from ? Um 874.83 IN1002 A MIO022 0 873.559 876.485 873.78 876.485 Yeah , but the parameters which are exact 874.14 IN1002 D MIO078 3 876.607 879.051 876.68 878.74 Mm . But at least you f 878.09 IN1002 B MIO076 1 877.206 877.888 877.26 877.74 Mm-hmm . 877.74 IN1002 A MIO022 0 878.036 881.936 878.3 881.936 Hopefully ninety five percent , I know , but that five percent 879.73 880.31 IN1002 D MIO078 3 880.506 880.93 880.57 880.86 Yeah . 880.86 IN1002 D MIO078 3 882.186 883.505 882.32 883.45 Yeah , that you can del 882.54 IN1002 A MIO022 0 883.291 890.905 883.36 890.75 And then we we need to train the new rates because M_L_P_ training needs to be done , and then only the next step will happen . 889.17 890.75 IN1002 B MIO076 1 886.752 887.56 886.8 887.47 Mm-hmm . 887.47 IN1002 B MIO076 1 891.459 891.99 891.48 891.89 Okay . 891.89 IN1002 A MIO022 0 892.154 903.68 892.21 903.26 So it's it's pretty pretty hol holding is stupid . Whether we can replicate the results , whatever results you are showing , whether we can replicate them or not . Presently it's it's not known . 896.23 897.95 899.05 901.65 903.26 IN1002 D MIO078 3 903.765 913.751 903.93 913.66 But at least , yeah , you have something to verify their wa . So so P_L_P_s or these are all thirteen just only P_L_P_s , not deltas and del 904.42 904.58 908.44 912.62 IN1002 B MIO076 1 903.683 904.59 904.24 904.47 Yes . 904.47 IN1002 A MIO022 0 906.791 908.915 907.08 908.915 Yeah . You 908.48 IN1002 B MIO076 1 913.475 942.477 913.66 942.35 Uh nowadays not that one . There is another problem for uh verifying these results , because well for these results , you know , the the configuration should not well I also saved the configuration somewhere in the temp , so exactly how many stays for decoding and which kind of language model and things like this . I I think I can remember almost all of them , but f it's it's a bit uh uh stressful . 915.24 918.72 920.85 921.74 928.57 935.5 938.05 942.35 IN1002 A MIO022 0 928.467 929.032 928.53 928.94 Mm-hmm . 928.94 IN1002 A MIO022 0 932.528 934.786 932.56 934.6 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 933.93 934.35 934.6 IN1002 A MIO022 0 938.004 938.511 938.11 938.36 Mm-hmm . 938.36 IN1002 D MIO078 3 939.617 940.308 939.7 940.18 Yeah . 940.18 IN1002 D MIO078 3 941.557 954.347 941.68 954.29 But if you got something from Hemant or Matthew then I have those number of stage , like we have then you know like it's only for only close uh D_C_L_ , K_C_L_ they have . 946.35 951.73 954.29 IN1002 B MIO076 1 944.456 946.659 944.68 946.53 Yeah , but h he doesn't . 944.79 946.53 IN1002 C MIO050 2 952.848 953.805 952.93 953.62 One one . 953.62 IN1002 A MIO022 0 953.189 968.487 953.34 968.41 No no no no , he is using different setup I think . He doesn't use our setup . Do you use our setup for the number of states ? For the gamma estimation ? Okay , mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . No no , those things I'm also having , because they were done two years back . 953.96 956.24 958.04 960.8 962.63 963.42 964.84 965.37 965.62 966.9 968.41 IN1002 D MIO078 3 955.827 957.57 955.93 957.49 No , he he got from you only . 956.12 957.49 IN1002 B MIO076 1 960.063 962.561 960.26 962.37 Uh y m yes . 962.37 IN1002 D MIO078 3 960.838 967.337 961.04 967.1 Ah . I think so , yeah , so then I have those number of stages . Yeah . 962.3 963.14 963.37 966.86 967.1 IN1002 D MIO078 3 968.467 970.557 968.49 970.557 Ah , okay . So 968.54 969.86 IN1002 A MIO022 0 969.685 972.713 969.74 972.713 Anything which is done in the last two years is the one which is - IN1002 B MIO076 1 971.711 974.122 971.711 974.04 Lost . 974.04 IN1002 D MIO078 3 973.423 979.032 973.56 978.91 Ah . So you didn't have any P_ for these P_L_P_s , no P_L_P_s or P_ files from P_L_P_ . 974.74 976.87 978.91 IN1002 A MIO022 0 978.595 979.194 978.73 979.05 Nothing . 979.05 IN1002 D MIO078 3 981.15 995.553 981.21 995.553 So bu what about this noise levels , like we have noise wav files in da da COM databases . So we have directly f wave files with uh particular noise . Ah ok see 983.83 989.48 994.05 IN1002 A MIO022 0 986.416 989.325 986.55 989.15 The there's also in com , com database , yeah . 988.22 988.99 989.15 IN1002 B MIO076 1 989.376 989.966 989.45 989.67 Mm-hmm . 989.67 IN1002 A MIO022 0 993.092 994.048 993.18 993.91 Yeah , that's right . 993.57 993.91 IN1002 A MIO022 0 994.944 996.682 995.0 996.63 No , th those things are not disturbed . 995.29 996.63 IN1002 C MIO050 2 994.975 999.616 995.02 999.55 No , no , but they're they're they're down in the database section . 995.17 995.4 999.55 IN1002 A MIO022 0 999.019 1001.712 999.019 1001.68 Nothing related to the database has been disturbed . 1001.68 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1002.147 1004.233 1002.26 1004.12 No , but but I think uh de 1002.37 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1003.179 1004.312 1003.29 1004.15 Except the switchboard . 1004.15 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1004.996 1010.355 1005.08 1010.2 Yeah , except switchboard but the switchboard also we have it , but only thing is that we don't have all the data we need , yeah . 1005.41 1007.71 1009.97 1010.2 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1006.561 1007.284 1006.72 1007.284 But - IN1002 D MIO078 3 1010.459 1015.747 1010.54 1015.69 Hmm . But the problem is like all this I think it may not be there in database , I guess . 1011.27 1015.26 1015.69 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1015.6 1018.33 1015.62 1018.33 No no , it is dead . Because it was that now 1015.88 1017.05 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1015.836 1016.659 1015.95 1016.53 No , they're there . 1016.12 1016.53 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1016.845 1020.822 1016.93 1020.78 Oh , okay . You called the noise X_ database . 1017.51 1018.57 1020.78 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1019.459 1023.849 1019.459 1023.79 No no , it was it was pre-written there . It's in the database itself . 1020.07 1022.6 1023.79 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1019.878 1023.57 1020.02 1023.29 No no , it w o ori originally done . 1020.54 1023.29 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1022.262 1023.356 1022.37 1022.9 Ah , okay . 1022.5 1022.9 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1023.872 1028.436 1023.89 1028.37 Even with uh S_ and R_s . Ah , okay , then it's okay . Ah . 1025.7 1025.82 1026.05 1028.01 1028.37 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1025.132 1026.152 1025.2 1026.1 That's right , yeah . 1025.98 1026.1 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1025.584 1029.369 1025.64 1029.369 No no , it is even in D_V_D_ form we have it , that the 1025.9 1028.45 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1027.96 1029.93 1028.09 1029.8 Yeah , so it that is not a problem . 1028.47 1029.8 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1029.892 1035.648 1029.91 1035.42 So y you it's not that you all the no . Yeah with S_ and R_ , different S_ and R_s . 1033.3 1034.61 1035.42 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1032.052 1040.028 1032.11 1040.028 No , I didn't do it myself . No , no , no . Means at l yeah , that part is less uh scary . 1032.33 1034.59 1034.82 1035.11 1036.41 1037.35 1039.56 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1039.058 1045.435 1039.19 1045.435 Yeah , so at least we have wave files , so now we can generate anything in the P_L_P_s or so at least 1039.44 1041.29 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1042.62 1043.078 1042.67 1043.0 Yeah . 1043.0 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1045.605 1051.276 1045.69 1051.19 So the things which are related to your P_L_P_ can be done I think , it's it's not such a major problem . 1049.38 1051.19 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1049.602 1050.059 1049.66 1049.96 Yeah . 1049.96 IN1002 B MIO076 1 1049.742 1050.282 1049.81 1050.22 Okay . 1050.22 IN1002 B MIO076 1 1051.324 1062.407 1051.53 1061.75 Yeah , so so as the conclusion there is no major problem except regenera yeah , which time for , I guess . Mm . 1051.74 1059.06 1060.17 1061.64 1061.75 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1056.256 1062.361 1056.28 1062.361 No , except uh except time . How much time we want to spend again to get 1056.53 1059.93 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1058.93 1069.837 1059.39 1069.79 So you tha M_L_P_ needs to be trained and uh P_L_P_ features , so it's kind of one and a half days work , kind of , to generate the new files . 1064.44 1067.59 1067.95 1069.79 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1059.435 1060.662 1059.65 1060.662 Those - IN1002 B MIO076 1 1063.419 1063.982 1063.47 1063.78 Mm . 1063.78 IN1002 B MIO076 1 1067.362 1067.911 1067.45 1067.81 Mm . 1067.81 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1069.718 1072.786 1069.718 1072.786 But for all these S_ and R_s , so that's also again 1071.53 IN1002 B MIO076 1 1069.808 1070.324 1070.18 1070.25 Mm . 1070.25 IN1002 B MIO076 1 1072.214 1072.901 1072.33 1072.77 Yeah , yeah . 1072.52 1072.77 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1072.207 1078.724 1072.43 1078.56 Yeah , that will aga means it'll light up , that's it . But all all of it is doable in three , four days time . 1072.67 1074.22 1075.36 1077.93 1078.56 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1074.499 1075.039 1074.6 1074.92 Hmm . 1074.92 IN1002 B MIO076 1 1074.938 1075.501 1075.11 1075.34 Yeah . 1075.34 IN1002 B MIO076 1 1078.572 1079.021 1078.65 1078.84 Mm . 1078.84 IN1002 B MIO076 1 1080.263 1103.168 1080.35 1103.09 Well , I also had the of generated posteriors or gammas or things like this , which I should regenerate , I have the uh scripts but uh well it takes time , it's C_P_U_ and regenerating all these things , but okay , it's okay . So there is no major problem except time . Deadline of two weeks for ICAS . Okay . 1080.9 1087.12 1088.36 1092.12 1096.08 1096.83 1097.35 1101.02 1102.99 1103.09 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1086.636 1087.135 1086.74 1087.0 Mm-hmm . 1087.0 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1090.296 1090.803 1090.37 1090.67 Mm-hmm . 1090.67 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1092.272 1092.755 1092.34 1092.61 Mm-hmm . 1092.61 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1103.295 1120.173 1103.4 1120.173 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . And if I don't have to generate any new results , I'm also on the other side then . But if I need to generate new results , then and anyway , there is emotional loss , so scripts and code everything written that is 1103.78 1105.14 1108.48 1112.3 1114.14 1115.24 1117.02 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1105.325 1106.248 1105.42 1106.248 Yeah , it's 1105.86 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1118.632 1133.299 1118.83 1133.299 No , the thing is like you can't really write this k I suppose uh the code is the real problem , scripts is okay like , yeah . Even scripts also the configurations or you do if you forget something , some factor or something , it's really 1118.99 1122.91 1124.55 1125.49 1130.09 1132.3 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1121.254 1121.911 1121.53 1121.84 No . 1121.84 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1123.079 1126.5 1123.26 1126.5 Yeah , yeah . Because it's 1124.03 1125.5 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1128.221 1129.693 1128.24 1129.55 Yeah . Yeah . 1129.35 1129.55 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1132.066 1140.697 1132.29 1140.55 Yeah . Means losses are emotional as well as whatever it is there . and bla bla , but it's tragedy . 1133.31 1137.25 1138.73 1140.55 IN1002 B MIO076 1 1136.816 1137.691 1137.28 1137.44 Hmm . 1137.44 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1142.655 1143.196 1142.75 1143.0 So . 1143.0 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1144.913 1146.938 1144.96 1146.938 So RAID five you have told to the - IN1002 C MIO050 2 1146.16 1166.961 1146.27 1166.93 Mm . Mm-hmm . They are they're it's it's it looks like if you get three disk gone , then it's very difficult to get it well like fine if it's one disk it's fine because at least one is having the uh mirror mirror , so it will recache on the mirror . Um but uh if the three disk are gone it's very difficult . 1147.34 1147.83 1151.67 1162.06 1164.17 1166.93 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1153.355 1154.07 1153.48 1153.81 Mm-hmm . 1153.81 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1153.44 1154.155 1153.59 1154.05 Which disk ? 1154.05 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1157.116 1158.255 1157.28 1158.02 Uh three disk . 1158.02 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1159.645 1161.241 1159.74 1161.14 No , one disk there is no problem . 1159.87 1161.14 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1167.413 1167.995 1167.51 1167.85 Mm-hmm . 1167.85 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1168.512 1198.922 1168.53 1198.89 So I don't know how it went , like usually while as soon as one disk fails , it should be replaced actually and uh I dunno . Mayb yeah , otherwise it uh it'll go on destroying other disks . So i so the one so they I don't know how it happen , you know , such a thing like usually as soon as one fails , it actually notifies the , you know , the system administrator or makes certain kind of um noise . 1170.56 1173.68 1179.92 1180.93 1184.8 1188.46 1189.4 1193.13 1194.48 1194.87 1198.89 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1178.303 1179.984 1178.38 1179.984 So it should be replaced by - IN1002 D MIO078 3 1183.715 1184.546 1183.82 1184.48 Ah , ok 1184.22 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1196.444 1197.167 1196.58 1196.96 Mm-hmm . 1196.96 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1199.419 1201.356 1199.5 1201.356 Yeah , 1201.3 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1200.204 1230.306 1200.27 1230.306 Uh yeah , to to make sure that , you know , it has to be replaced . So w uh if it the disk is not replaced , then it w it'll fail . It uh then then it uh there's a internal recovery if it just r replace the disk there . It's it it can internally it can quickly recover everything into that disk . Uh so so it's like , you know , if you have a mm mm uh um if you have 1200.9 1202.02 1203.02 1204.85 1206.96 1210.42 1216.33 1220.49 1222.36 1223.49 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1208.236 1208.918 1208.31 1208.73 Hmm . 1208.73 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1210.361 1211.367 1210.4 1211.32 It will ri - IN1002 A MIO022 0 1215.634 1217.821 1215.71 1217.73 Mm-hmm , okay . Mm-hmm . 1216.21 1217.25 1217.73 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1219.03 1220.618 1219.18 1220.49 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 1219.57 1220.18 1220.49 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1230.306 1280.543 1230.74 1280.45 It's kind of like essentially if it is like hundred twenty , hundred hundred G_B_ data space , then it essentially will have a hun two hundred G_B_ only stu visible data f to you . But then it can we as soon as they replace one of those hard disk i it can it can from the other one it can recover everything on that . Inter internally it can do that kind of thing , but if the th if the three disks fail , then it's it's it's yeah , a really difficult job , I don't know how it can be recovered . Probably the mm one way that they extend the har the hard disk to the people who are experts , and they do like sector by sector , block by block they try to recover . But that's it's very expensive . Uh th simple , yes , the simple thing might cost you minimum ten thousand Euros , fifteen , something like that . 1233.28 1236.42 1241.71 1249.17 1251.53 1253.32 1255.47 1257.16 1259.2 1266.21 1268.18 1270.98 1273.66 1274.8 1275.05 1278.38 1279.65 1280.45 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1248.19 1249.92 1248.37 1249.92 Uh it will have measures like - IN1002 A MIO022 0 1251.656 1252.281 1251.83 1252.21 Mm . 1252.21 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1254.634 1255.166 1254.73 1255.03 Uh . 1255.03 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1270.496 1270.953 1270.57 1270.86 Mm-hmm . 1270.86 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1273.274 1275.053 1273.41 1275.0 Hmm , but like this . 1273.76 1275.0 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1280.715 1283.817 1280.84 1283.69 But even this maybe really huge data also . 1283.69 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1282.975 1284.53 1283.05 1284.42 Was it insured , any idea ? 1283.91 1284.42 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1284.752 1291.179 1284.82 1291.179 I don't know whether it was insured . I don't think insurance company will give 1287.44 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1290.382 1296.651 1290.6 1296.55 No no , insurance can take care of uh means anything can be insured in this world nowadays . 1290.94 1296.55 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1292.618 1294.209 1292.68 1294.209 Mm-hmm . 1294.04 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1297.134 1305.595 1297.22 1305.595 I think maybe some companies definitely do insure you can't really have so many backups - IN1002 A MIO022 0 1303.211 1303.743 1303.29 1303.63 Mm-hmm . 1303.63 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1305.44 1312.186 1305.78 1312.07 But it still means one thing which is a mystery to me whe why temp one and temp two were residing on the same hard disk physical . 1312.07 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1310.971 1328.78 1311.23 1328.62 No , it does , because it was not temp one temp two , but they have the same mm it has three G_B_ three disks , hard disk category . And so you can go up to fourteen or something like that , but it can be on the same yeah . 1311.35 1311.59 1313.96 1321.17 1323.21 1326.36 1328.62 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1321.732 1322.979 1321.82 1322.82 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 1322.57 1322.82 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1325.493 1326.466 1325.59 1326.34 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 1326.09 1326.34 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1328.184 1329.173 1328.34 1329.173 Yeah , so it means 1328.54 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1329.477 1331.707 1329.56 1331.46 Which just partition these uh . 1331.46 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1330.634 1352.851 1330.75 1352.69 But so it tries to put if you it tries to uh quickly put things uh if this way that so that and but only thing that only one has the mm um backup , keep taking up the backup there . So it puts everything mm quickly , it can decide wherever it wants to put , so it's faster to do that way . Mm . 1342.08 1344.85 1347.47 1349.41 1352.47 1352.69 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1330.703 1331.509 1330.88 1331.509 So that - IN1002 D MIO078 3 1341.647 1342.171 1341.74 1342.01 Hmm . 1342.01 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1343.218 1343.784 1343.36 1343.64 Mm-hmm . 1343.64 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1351.684 1357.089 1351.76 1356.91 No no no , what I'm saying means temp one and temp two could have been different systems altogether . 1352.23 1356.91 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1356.298 1359.426 1356.55 1359.426 No , I think that uh soft name they were given the 1356.68 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1359.724 1361.979 1359.78 1361.9 I'm saying they could have kept differently . 1361.9 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1361.893 1364.736 1361.96 1364.736 Yeah . But then what are the use of raid then ? 1363.06 1364.62 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1363.229 1363.761 1363.39 1363.761 But - IN1002 A MIO022 0 1365.147 1367.567 1365.24 1367.4 No RAID on both they systems was the problem . 1367.4 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1365.524 1366.181 1365.59 1366.12 Yeah . 1366.12 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1367.838 1371.405 1367.91 1371.35 No , but that is what the raid can allow you to have keep up to fourteen hard disk . 1368.07 1371.35 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1372.734 1373.943 1372.94 1373.87 It can allow . 1373.87 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1373.005 1375.353 1373.18 1375.27 Hard disk , there there were already five hard disks , right ? 1373.65 1375.08 1375.27 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1375.373 1402.836 1375.41 1402.8 Yeah , so it they have five , and you can go up to fourteen if you want to keep there . And it can still work , and it takes the and the way it look like it it's still tolerant , you know . The way it it usually it does it if you one this crashes before uh i uh um if it uh replace quickly , then no problems . Otherwise unsaved data will start the first thing is to get lo lost . 1375.65 1377.79 1381.3 1382.57 1386.5 1387.85 1396.68 1398.76 1402.8 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1376.944 1377.533 1377.12 1377.38 Mm-hmm . 1377.38 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1380.752 1381.235 1380.81 1381.1 Mm-hmm . 1381.1 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1388.678 1390.25 1388.79 1390.25 But uh we we - IN1002 D MIO078 3 1404.428 1405.151 1404.52 1404.92 Hmm . 1404.92 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1404.525 1405.573 1404.71 1405.46 Mm that's the thing . 1405.46 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1408.611 1411.182 1408.65 1411.09 Yeah , not everybody is going to be scared of temps . 1408.92 1411.09 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1412.824 1413.264 1412.86 1413.264 I um - IN1002 D MIO078 3 1413.005 1414.219 1413.18 1414.09 Yeah , no temp . 1413.53 1414.09 IN1002 B MIO076 1 1414.27 1414.836 1414.37 1414.64 Hmm . 1414.64 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1415.722 1426.942 1415.74 1426.942 Temp is no well , it's a I think they can they can they can do , because th th some some of these people that expert there are couple of experts , so they learned itself . So . 1416.5 1420.43 1424.51 1426.39 1426.89 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1418.991 1420.302 1419.28 1420.302 Uh so then then - IN1002 A MIO022 0 1425.72 1426.169 1425.8 1426.09 Mm-hmm . 1426.09 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1427.827 1428.317 1427.93 1428.19 Hmm . 1428.19 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1428.214 1431.014 1428.27 1431.014 If they can easily recover it , well 1430.73 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1432.322 1432.871 1432.4 1432.76 Mm-hmm . 1432.76 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1432.386 1435.597 1432.41 1435.49 To do this kind of thing , you know . 1435.13 1435.49 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1435.101 1437.612 1435.23 1437.612 But is it really costly , the system is 1436.67 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1437.56 1460.872 1437.62 1460.872 Yeah , it depends on the job . You know , sometimes the small hardware thing , they might do it to then , you know , five thousand Euros and all . But if it's very much detailed work , they will just i it the system the the whole thing starts like this that you have to give your credit card number and sign a form and then only they will start touching your hard disk . 1438.02 1438.94 1439.13 1441.2 1442.37 1443.29 1445.26 1447.6 1460.77 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1459.881 1474.762 1459.93 1474.53 No no no no no . No no no . I checked over the net , it's not the way . You d you send the things to them , they will see if they can recover . Then only they'll ask you that this is the quotation . But if there is no no if they cannot recover they they will send it back . 1460.92 1461.41 1462.3 1463.74 1465.91 1468.33 1471.0 1474.53 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1459.95 1460.457 1460.11 1460.29 Hmm . 1460.29 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1465.42 1465.828 1465.47 1465.76 Yeah . 1465.76 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1469.552 1471.657 1469.63 1471.657 No no , bu no , th they will 1470.0 1470.75 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1474.23 1486.356 1474.23 1486.14 No no , that's what they say , like you do it , then send it the hard disk , then they will say okay , we can do it , and then if you do it with only with only yeah . Mm-hmm . 1475.03 1475.76 1476.78 1478.29 1479.24 1480.59 1485.68 1486.14 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1477.98 1478.47 1478.08 1478.32 Mm-hmm . 1478.32 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1481.474 1488.161 1481.62 1488.05 No no no , first they'll give you a quotation . The they won't go we ho without that . It's not means it's a wrong information . 1482.0 1483.64 1485.92 1488.05 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1488.101 1488.632 1488.16 1488.38 Yeah . 1488.38 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1488.085 1490.826 1488.23 1490.71 Maybe at least they will give some number others , like they can . 1490.06 1490.71 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1490.162 1502.073 1490.23 1501.96 Yeah yeah , because in the beginning what they say that send us the thing , we'll look at the things . If it is recoverable , we will tell you what is the quotation , and if it is not recoverable , we will send it back to you . 1490.74 1494.23 1495.6 1497.2 1499.72 1500.89 1501.96 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1490.666 1491.215 1490.84 1491.06 Yeah . 1491.06 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1493.789 1494.172 1493.86 1494.1 Yeah . 1494.1 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1497.182 1499.593 1497.37 1499.51 Then what did they estimate of that ? 1499.51 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1502.852 1503.494 1502.93 1503.32 Hmm . 1503.32 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1503.34 1511.651 1503.42 1511.5 But means f and uh i if they they cannot recover it , then then what they will they won't charge anything from you for the inspection . 1507.01 1511.5 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1510.438 1510.953 1510.49 1510.67 Yeah . 1510.67 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1512.907 1514.274 1513.06 1514.18 I think that is yeah . 1514.18 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1513.255 1513.729 1513.35 1513.64 Yeah . 1513.64 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1515.451 1519.997 1515.59 1519.88 Yeah , at least they they will know m beforehand I think uh . 1515.74 1519.88 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1515.547 1516.118 1515.69 1516.118 But - IN1002 A MIO022 0 1517.523 1518.164 1517.63 1518.04 That's right . 1518.04 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1519.627 1526.837 1519.71 1526.67 Yeah . Means looking at uh how much failure has happened . Accordingly they will tell you whether they can recover or not . 1520.83 1524.21 1526.67 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1519.943 1522.055 1520.02 1522.055 No , it it is up to , you know 1520.16 1521.05 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1523.98 1524.703 1524.06 1524.61 Yeah , yeah . 1524.21 1524.61 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1527.467 1537.19 1527.55 1537.15 And in fact if they they can go a lot , but you know , they can go block by block and look into it and try to recover , but um that Matthew will want to go or not is the question . 1529.85 1530.46 1534.29 1537.15 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1537.117 1544.069 1537.29 1544.069 Mm but even like how much important data l sometimes it's just M_P_ threes or something , so you don't really need to 1541.97 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1539.493 1539.962 1539.68 1539.91 Yeah . 1539.91 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1539.709 1540.225 1539.86 1540.13 Yeah . 1540.13 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1541.86 1543.498 1542.01 1543.4 Yeah . Yeah . 1543.18 1543.4 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1544.526 1550.737 1544.58 1550.62 And it's like forty tera . Four tera that's forty tera . 1547.25 1550.62 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1545.97 1547.299 1546.35 1547.21 Fo four tera , no ? 1546.98 1547.21 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1548.316 1549.555 1548.34 1549.555 Four tera , it's like 1548.9 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1551.183 1551.782 1551.26 1551.62 Mm-hmm . 1551.62 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1551.738 1554.474 1551.76 1554.44 So how much is four tera , four thousand gigabytes ? 1553.05 1554.44 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1554.418 1555.723 1554.5 1555.57 Yeah , four thousand gigabytes . 1554.71 1555.57 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1554.804 1555.253 1554.89 1555.13 Yeah . 1555.13 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1555.605 1556.079 1555.65 1556.01 Okay . 1556.01 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1556.699 1558.071 1556.73 1557.95 Four thousand G_B_s . 1557.95 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1557.478 1558.318 1557.56 1558.28 Not much . 1558.28 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1559.7 1560.39 1559.79 1560.39 Yeah , it 1560.08 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1559.743 1561.44 1559.8 1561.44 Yeah , that's a that's a big 1560.07 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1563.051 1566.66 1563.051 1566.38 but now we got something like uh more than fift - IN1002 A MIO022 0 1565.457 1568.492 1565.54 1568.45 Is it raid one has more compared to RAID five ? 1568.45 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1568.736 1571.263 1568.8 1571.263 Mm um - IN1002 D MIO078 3 1569.155 1571.799 1569.3 1571.52 No , RAID five is better , I think . It l it levels . 1569.47 1570.36 1570.67 1571.52 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1570.816 1576.466 1571.01 1576.35 No , RAID one is having exactly f fifty percent capacity is utilised . It's copy . 1571.18 1575.63 1576.35 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1575.501 1577.776 1575.69 1577.74 Uh ah , okay . 1577.49 1577.74 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1578.028 1582.627 1578.08 1582.47 Two copies of the same thing will be existing . That is a RAID one . 1581.79 1582.47 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1581.116 1581.698 1581.21 1581.59 Mm-hmm . 1581.59 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1582.807 1589.989 1582.9 1589.55 But RAID five is then then twenty percent copy only . Ah , . It's not the other way . Hmm . 1586.07 1587.05 1587.05 1588.44 1589.55 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1584.86 1586.867 1584.95 1586.83 That's right . RAID five is twenty percent . 1585.63 1586.83 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1585.421 1585.978 1585.48 1585.69 Yeah uh . 1585.69 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1588.112 1603.684 1588.13 1603.59 No . So RAID one is exactly it's means that's lot of wastage of resources , but it's more tolerant . And there is no kind of or anything , nothing exists there . So the disk which has crashed , that cannot be recovered . That uh disk which has not crashed , it can be recovered completely . 1589.46 1592.85 1594.91 1596.99 1598.56 1599.86 1600.85 1602.35 1603.59 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1593.926 1594.674 1594.07 1594.58 Mm-hmm . 1594.58 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1598.064 1599.288 1598.09 1599.19 Mm yeah , it's a . 1598.53 1599.19 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1604.972 1617.062 1605.03 1616.95 Means if both the disk have crashed , for the same data , you cannot recover anything . If one disk has crashed crashed , then you can recover everything . Yeah , it'll be in the other disk . So that is RAID one . 1607.07 1608.01 1610.11 1611.64 1613.77 1614.09 1615.94 1616.95 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1607.06 1609.962 1607.19 1609.82 Hmm . Yeah , yeah . Yeah , yeah . 1607.71 1608.0 1608.4 1609.45 1609.82 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1612.491 1614.146 1612.57 1614.06 Yeah , it will be then the other disk . 1612.71 1614.06 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1617.826 1620.329 1617.89 1620.24 And Hemant how uh how do you want to go about it ? 1620.24 IN1002 B MIO076 1 1621.222 1622.191 1621.27 1621.81 T - IN1002 A MIO022 0 1621.22 1627.409 1621.32 1627.409 If you are given a choice , you want to take RAID one or RAID five or a simple laptop . 1622.34 1627.26 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1624.003 1630.197 1624.83 1630.197 Mm . No , I will say how do you like to go about with ICAS ? 1626.02 1626.76 1630.02 IN1002 B MIO076 1 1630.286 1652.878 1630.4 1652.878 Ah . Well I I think w after this meeting we can t we can try together to regenerate this . Well uh P_L_P_s I think th they should be first regenerated , then posteriors , and if by the end of week we could have posteriors , then it's not that difficult , I can easily regenerate the gammas and do all the experiments again . Maybe it's a 1631.33 1637.04 1640.69 1642.23 1645.3 1646.95 1652.1 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1640.881 1641.347 1640.91 1641.22 Mm-hmm . 1641.22 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1644.153 1644.604 1644.25 1644.45 Yeah . 1644.45 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1645.868 1646.325 1646.16 1646.29 Yeah . 1646.29 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1651.852 1656.708 1651.93 1656.62 To what are the experiments you need to do ? What are the new experiments you are having in your mind ? 1654.01 1656.62 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1653.984 1654.64 1654.08 1654.39 Again . 1654.39 IN1002 B MIO076 1 1657.127 1678.106 1657.32 1678.106 Uh mainly th there would be some experiment to check how the system is robust against these uh tuning factors like uh language mod uh language modelling , scaling factor language scaling factor and inversion penalty . This will be the main new issue , and uh well 1669.03 1673.85 1676.39 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1668.791 1670.445 1668.791 1670.27 scaling . 1670.27 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1670.333 1671.289 1670.43 1671.19 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 1670.84 1671.19 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1672.976 1673.425 1673.05 1673.33 Mm-hmm . 1673.33 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1675.873 1676.338 1675.94 1676.21 Mm-hmm . 1676.21 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1677.519 1679.943 1677.64 1679.82 But do you feel that is paper material ? 1679.82 IN1002 B MIO076 1 1679.794 1683.656 1679.94 1683.656 Yeah , the new thing in the paper , and well , some 1680.29 1681.91 1682.97 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1683.004 1686.364 1683.06 1686.364 And also maybe like this noise is he was - IN1002 B MIO076 1 1684.786 1686.299 1684.93 1686.299 No in these cases , but 1685.8 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1686.612 1690.522 1686.71 1690.42 But the one which you have reported means you want to report something more than that ? 1690.42 IN1002 B MIO076 1 1691.056 1698.301 1691.35 1698.25 Well actually actually this w this was not in the paper . I put it in the presentation , but it's not in the paper . 1695.27 1696.87 1698.25 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1691.285 1693.28 1691.48 1693.25 Mm , this is not in the paper actually d 1691.68 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1698.018 1700.176 1698.018 1700.09 Ah , okay . Mm-hmm . 1698.28 1699.71 1700.09 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1699.163 1700.111 1699.26 1700.111 This is - IN1002 B MIO076 1 1699.492 1741.482 1699.61 1741.42 Uh the paper was just for clean speech , but since I had the results before and I cannot copy these things , because I t uh I talked with Herve and he said okay , actually the numbers are not uh very reasonable because they are just thirteen P_L_P_ features and uh we have to have at least something which is known for people . I mean they are expecting something around ninety , eighty seven or uh something like this . Uh so I anyway , I had to re to redo all the experiments , but now it's a little bit more difficult , because before I had posteriors and now we have two more steps , P_L_P_s and and and posteriors , so . 1703.0 1706.91 1710.83 1722.85 1725.26 1727.95 1729.79 1732.97 1735.37 1739.34 1740.98 1741.42 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1702.396 1702.887 1702.45 1702.78 Okay . 1702.78 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1704.912 1705.436 1705.03 1705.38 Mm-hmm . 1705.38 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1718.064 1718.538 1718.14 1718.44 Mm-hmm . 1718.44 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1726.262 1727.642 1726.39 1727.53 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 1727.27 1727.53 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1731.44 1731.998 1731.56 1731.91 Hmm . 1731.91 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1732.804 1733.311 1732.89 1733.18 Mm-hmm . 1733.18 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1738.109 1738.824 1738.27 1738.68 Yeah . 1738.68 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1741.108 1741.69 1741.21 1741.57 Okay . 1741.57 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1741.692 1744.777 1741.84 1744.777 At least now he can know a full system setup from - IN1002 A MIO022 0 1744.276 1753.11 1744.37 1753.11 So might be what I can do I can give you the setup and you can you can generate from bottom , train M_L_P_ , test M_L_P_ . 1751.06 1751.85 1752.99 IN1002 B MIO076 1 1747.394 1751.699 1747.51 1751.699 Yes , thank you very much . 1747.85 1749.65 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1750.569 1751.525 1750.72 1751.07 Yeah . 1751.07 IN1002 B MIO076 1 1753.264 1756.016 1753.73 1756.016 Thank you very much uh . 1755.8 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1755.912 1768.221 1755.98 1768.221 So now mainly like uh thirty nine P_L_P_ . You were always thirty nine , no ? Not sure But then why did this features you gave me like they're thirteen ? You truncated them to 1758.34 1759.79 1760.89 1766.63 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1760.102 1761.477 1760.28 1761.29 Mm . 1761.29 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1760.189 1762.402 1760.36 1762.3 Mm , I was using thirty nine , yes . 1760.93 1762.0 1762.3 IN1002 B MIO076 1 1765.968 1802.891 1766.06 1802.67 Oh m I wanted I wanted to extend this uh well actually , the paper we wanted to write was uh for ICAS was something related to multi-stream gamma . But okay , okay . Uh will I I will explain . So tha my plan was to have two streams , and I I I well . Yeah . I so I I thought that okay I one stream will be P_L_P_ and the other will be delta P_L_P_s . So this was one part of experiment , so single stream , and then I wanted to combine deltas with this and have another table , so that was why . 1770.26 1776.25 1777.39 1777.9 1779.73 1782.59 1783.78 1784.53 1792.65 1795.5 1796.37 1801.5 1802.67 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1776.052 1778.758 1776.14 1778.758 No no no no , these these these ones like the 1776.75 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1784.537 1786.558 1784.56 1786.44 Ah , okay . Hmm . 1784.78 1786.12 1786.44 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1784.51 1787.054 1784.62 1786.72 You did it on only one . 1786.72 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1790.697 1793.275 1790.8 1793.21 Ah . Ah , okay . 1792.2 1792.28 1793.21 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1797.724 1801.44 1797.724 1801.33 deltas . Ah , okay . Ah , ok 1799.3 1799.6 1800.18 1800.79 IN1002 B MIO076 1 1802.891 1830.512 1803.07 1830.512 But actually because , you know , the numbers and the study is not sh i it's not showing uh strong results . Anyway , results are not very important , but they should be within a range of uh acceptable numbers . So then uh for now I think it's better to instead of doing P_L_P_ and delta P_L_P_ , I can uh have single stream of thirty nine P_L_P_s , and then combine them with traps , just to have 1804.73 1805.18 1809.62 1809.86 1811.31 1816.97 1822.87 1826.88 1829.34 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1826.169 1826.743 1826.26 1826.58 Hmm . 1826.58 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1828.762 1841.143 1828.94 1841.143 Yeah , those results only you reported in Interspeech , no , like uh thirty nine P_L_P_ results . Uh . Uh they were , but they were less than ten percent or so . Now , even the clean speech you are getting 1829.31 1832.06 1832.15 1834.75 1835.54 1836.0 1838.95 1839.12 IN1002 B MIO076 1 1834.016 1835.255 1834.1 1834.83 Yeah , thirty nine . 1834.31 1834.83 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1834.484 1835.573 1834.56 1835.21 And they were then . 1835.21 IN1002 B MIO076 1 1837.641 1838.647 1837.71 1838.56 Yeah yeah , yeah yeah . 1838.16 1838.56 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1837.719 1838.234 1837.77 1838.11 Yeah . 1838.11 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1837.708 1838.697 1837.81 1838.6 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 1838.27 1838.6 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1840.332 1845.562 1840.42 1845.45 So what is this result ? This is related to your um M_L_M_I_ ? 1842.37 1845.45 IN1002 B MIO076 1 1845.668 1859.643 1845.87 1859.643 No no , it's Interspeech . The okay . These numbers are full P_L_P_ thirty nine , okay ? But just to make things clear in the presentation , to show more steps 1846.16 1847.84 1850.1 1853.45 1854.18 1857.25 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1848.311 1849.807 1848.37 1849.807 No no , this is just 1848.61 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1853.064 1854.506 1853.24 1854.32 Ah , okay , mm-hmm . 1853.51 1854.09 1854.32 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1857.316 1857.94 1857.41 1857.63 Mm-hmm . 1857.63 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1859.213 1860.718 1859.25 1860.66 What is a triphone gammas ? 1860.66 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1861.568 1864.032 1861.59 1864.032 He use the triphone M_L_P_ and get uh - IN1002 B MIO076 1 1861.472 1863.517 1861.72 1863.3 Try yeah . 1863.3 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1864.008 1865.789 1864.07 1865.64 Ah , okay . Your your M_L_P_ . 1864.36 1864.81 1865.64 IN1002 B MIO076 1 1865.559 1866.277 1865.62 1866.24 Yeah , yeah . 1865.96 1866.24 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1865.597 1869.999 1865.77 1869.87 No , . No , I I gave yeah . 1866.79 1866.79 1867.24 1869.87 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1865.397 1872.073 1866.15 1872.073 Uh n no he gave scale to me , then I generated gammas . Even uh 1868.75 1870.74 IN1002 B MIO076 1 1866.837 1868.483 1867.07 1868.483 Even - IN1002 A MIO022 0 1870.187 1879.73 1870.29 1879.48 Okay . But those gammas will be same as uh s normalised scale likelihoods , right ? Then the they're through that data uh from through . 1871.62 1875.49 1876.4 1879.48 IN1002 B MIO076 1 1871.435 1872.659 1871.49 1872.659 Even if you - IN1002 C MIO050 2 1873.84 1876.448 1873.86 1876.37 Yeah , it yeah . No no . 1874.1 1876.14 1876.37 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1875.465 1884.778 1875.63 1884.74 No no no no . The they're differently . Yeah . Yeah , because I have triphone G_M_ G_M_M_s and H_M_M_s . So he gave me scale likelihoods of triphones . 1876.54 1878.52 1879.16 1879.34 1882.53 1884.74 IN1002 B MIO076 1 1876.516 1877.234 1876.58 1877.234 No - IN1002 A MIO022 0 1881.851 1882.399 1881.96 1882.26 Okay . 1882.26 IN1002 B MIO076 1 1882.246 1882.777 1882.34 1882.48 Th - IN1002 A MIO022 0 1884.64 1886.108 1884.74 1886.07 Uh not uh scale likelihoods . 1886.07 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1886.384 1892.233 1886.45 1892.233 Uh yeah , scale like uh scale likelihoo from uh t uh M_L_P_ 1886.96 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1887.048 1891.884 1887.13 1891.73 Scale likelihood . Scale likelihoods . From triphone memory . 1888.49 1890.45 1891.73 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1887.241 1888.162 1887.4 1888.04 Posteriors . 1888.04 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1889.442 1889.983 1889.46 1889.87 From ? 1889.87 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1891.596 1896.257 1891.88 1896.14 G_M_M_ oh , M_L_P_ scale likelihoods ? You're you are having posteriors there , right ? 1892.71 1894.01 1895.97 1896.14 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1893.848 1901.399 1893.97 1901.28 Yeah , well yeah , so I j I d do I did try it yeah , th that's how you do that . 1894.6 1896.45 1899.81 1901.28 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1897.961 1902.136 1898.1 1902.136 You divided by the . Okay . Okay , so it's scale likelihoods 1899.69 1900.72 1901.01 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1899.568 1905.754 1899.72 1905.71 Hmm . So then again I will pass through full network . Then I can generate triphone gammas . 1900.97 1903.93 1905.71 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1903.89 1904.447 1904.03 1904.28 Okay . 1904.28 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1906.148 1909.041 1906.18 1908.98 And full network , what was the r ch architecture ? 1906.89 1908.98 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1908.013 1916.645 1908.09 1916.45 It's like . It's no no , it's uh it's just G_M_M_ word models . You have all the connections to between all the words , like hmm . 1909.44 1909.81 1912.63 1914.98 1916.45 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1912.337 1915.505 1912.4 1915.36 Ah okay . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 1914.11 1915.12 1915.36 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1920.388 1923.997 1920.55 1923.93 So what are the other things we need to discuss ? 1923.93 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1924.924 1928.929 1924.96 1928.76 So then first thing is like we need to generate P_L_P_s , and then 1928.23 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1930.365 1932.596 1930.39 1932.54 all these S_ and R_s P_L_P_s . 1932.54 IN1002 B MIO076 1 1932.924 1938.369 1933.02 1938.369 Yeah . It's amazing that everything was under temp . 1933.61 1937.7 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1936.308 1936.749 1936.39 1936.7 Hmm . 1936.7 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1936.973 1949.43 1937.41 1949.43 No , but I think what I think there is still some data which is recoverable . At least they could give us time to I think that uh the most of those things should be there . I can hope it already if they could 1937.55 1941.43 1946.78 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1949.536 1959.141 1949.89 1959.08 No , it was there on uh like uh yesterday morning also like even . So I was running some experiments and then it was okay , but it's readable only , so I can't write anything , so . 1950.02 1954.17 1956.66 1957.76 1958.82 1959.08 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1952.042 1954.121 1952.22 1954.04 One day after the crash . Yeah . 1953.8 1954.04 IN1002 B MIO076 1 1954.234 1954.922 1954.37 1954.77 Yeah . 1954.77 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1959.2 1959.681 1959.23 1959.52 Mm-hmm . 1959.52 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1959.375 1961.753 1959.54 1961.62 No , you don't have to write , but you could read , no . 1959.69 1960.46 1961.23 1961.62 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1960.97 1970.119 1961.14 1970.119 Yeah , so but we don't know , like we thought like I thought it's recovering , so maybe by tomorrow I'll get everything , so . Uh so if you want a copy again , you'll have 1961.44 1962.26 1964.51 1966.25 1967.31 1969.29 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1970.184 1978.299 1970.27 1978.299 That's all be because of you . You came on wrong day from Iran . You should had come on , it would have been okay . 1972.14 1974.54 1976.32 1978.23 IN1002 B MIO076 1 1974.142 1975.081 1974.27 1975.04 Yeah . 1975.04 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1976.539 1979.363 1976.539 1979.2 Yeah . 1979.2 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1980.171 1980.729 1980.23 1980.65 Anyway . 1980.65 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1980.896 1984.188 1981.0 1984.188 But yeah , still some people are in vacation , so they will really 1981.52 1982.98 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1983.767 1985.939 1983.94 1985.83 Uh they'll get a shock of their life . 1985.83 IN1002 B MIO076 1 1985.626 1997.673 1985.8 1997.673 Yeah , Sileye will be back and he's not in vacation , but he's in Italy . He flies to Senegal directly . 1986.21 1989.32 1993.73 1997.27 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1988.107 1990.661 1988.16 1990.661 Pedro Pedro also - IN1002 A MIO022 0 1988.976 1993.397 1988.976 1993.397 Might be the one kind of like if they have read their mails . 1993.15 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1995.332 1997.297 1995.332 1997.22 Yeah . 1997.22 IN1002 C MIO050 2 1996.854 1998.975 1996.87 1998.88 So Daniel is well in Italy ? 1998.88 IN1002 A MIO022 0 1998.997 1999.613 1999.04 1999.55 Yeah . 1999.55 IN1002 D MIO078 3 1999.146 2016.275 1999.25 2016.18 Hmm . But even all over the recent iteration , iterate training set in temp . Because like we we s how much we can copy , because it's really so many iterations and even we thought of really completing minimal experiment also mm . 2000.52 2002.57 2004.64 2007.55 2016.18 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2003.264 2005.088 2003.41 2004.95 Yeah , everything is lost , yeah . 2003.72 2004.59 2004.95 IN1002 C MIO050 2 2010.393 2010.917 2010.42 2010.62 Yeah . 2010.62 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2014.753 2015.169 2014.89 2015.1 Yeah . 2015.1 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2016.88 2019.091 2016.96 2019.06 Yeah , but it's a major loss , no doubt . 2017.21 2018.6 2019.06 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2019.676 2027.896 2019.75 2027.896 But at least , yeah , a script are there every scripts , like at least scripts are there but so if if they can decode 2020.18 2020.37 2023.09 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2025.18 2029.536 2025.18 2029.536 The data on which we want to run the scripts is not there . 2029.41 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2029.511 2034.716 2029.72 2034.716 Yeah , if they can decode at least Hemant's P_ files then Hemant can 2029.94 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2032.073 2039.035 2032.073 2039.035 If they can yeah , if they can give me my C_ files , then also it's okay . 2034.75 2036.33 2038.3 IN1002 B MIO076 1 2034.068 2034.875 2034.24 2034.5 Mm . 2034.5 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2037.236 2045.767 2037.37 2045.767 Yeah . But C_ files yeah . Even if they give you P_ files , it's really better , even you don't really need to ru run all the 2038.21 2040.37 2042.03 2042.68 IN1002 B MIO076 1 2037.492 2038.108 2037.74 2037.96 Mm . 2037.96 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2043.652 2048.502 2043.652 2048.502 Yeah , because I don't need to generate features also , yeah . 2045.7 2047.8 2048.37 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2049.924 2054.224 2049.99 2054.224 Yeah , it's amazing . I n I don't need all my P_ files , just three of them . 2050.19 2051.09 2053.03 2053.7 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2054.264 2057.307 2054.37 2057.27 Yeah yeah , you j just only like recent P_ files at least . 2054.69 2057.27 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2056.652 2057.559 2056.77 2057.559 Yeah . 2057.4 IN1002 B MIO076 1 2058.188 2063.468 2058.66 2063.38 And what if we have some day a fire in IDIAP , we will lose all the data . 2061.69 2063.38 IN1002 C MIO050 2 2063.288 2066.972 2063.33 2066.77 Oh , that is fire will lose all the data , you know . 2063.47 2066.29 2066.77 IN1002 B MIO076 1 2065.417 2082.873 2065.63 2082.873 Mm I mean , but they have well I I think w they can and yeah , they can d you know , store it somewhere . But you know , here we can easily have a fire , because the everything is made of wood I think and it's small and 2066.72 2072.94 2074.41 2076.4 2076.79 2078.74 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2069.198 2073.176 2069.29 2072.97 Nowadays it's not the case . They physically also separate the things . 2070.94 2072.97 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2070.608 2071.165 2070.63 2071.01 No no no . 2071.01 IN1002 C MIO050 2 2071.841 2073.08 2071.86 2072.98 Physically , uh yeah . 2072.53 2072.98 IN1002 C MIO050 2 2074.581 2076.245 2074.72 2076.2 Yeah , physically it is updated . 2074.92 2076.2 IN1002 C MIO050 2 2082.662 2087.094 2082.79 2087.094 No , I think there is sprinkler or something around here , I hope so . 2082.88 2084.8 2086.98 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2082.969 2083.642 2083.06 2083.57 Yeah . 2083.57 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2085.438 2087.408 2085.77 2087.36 But still I think I it depends . 2087.36 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2086.872 2088.643 2086.95 2088.643 Or it's sprinklers . 2088.43 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2088.871 2091.673 2088.92 2091.673 Uh in Edinburgh they had that big fire and then - IN1002 A MIO022 0 2091.66 2094.149 2091.81 2094.149 Then what if their sprinklers don't work ? 2093.86 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2093.595 2110.411 2093.81 2110.411 Even even sa several uh da buildings and all the computers in that building they all burned , but they have like three backups in the university , so all these people , they didn't really affect much . No , it's the university is maybe it's really big , so they can afford for 2098.87 2102.54 2104.34 2106.4 2106.48 2108.75 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2101.776 2103.321 2101.8 2103.25 Ah . Uh-huh . 2102.94 2103.25 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2108.267 2108.641 2108.3 2108.57 Yeah . 2108.57 IN1002 C MIO050 2 2108.806 2114.127 2108.85 2113.89 Yeah , in fact they distributed the whole thing around . They may not have it in one place . 2109.01 2112.28 2113.89 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2111.793 2122.4 2111.85 2122.32 Yeah , they yeah yeah , they want th they'll have backup in different and also in in some in underground , so that like file proof or something , yeah . 2112.09 2113.74 2118.95 2121.94 2122.32 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2112.18 2114.059 2112.39 2113.87 They won't keep it at one place , yeah . 2113.67 2113.87 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2115.811 2117.723 2115.84 2117.33 Physically at different places , yeah . 2117.24 2117.33 IN1002 C MIO050 2 2116.348 2116.839 2116.4 2116.7 Hmm . 2116.7 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2119.22 2119.686 2119.3 2119.63 Mm-hmm . 2119.63 IN1002 C MIO050 2 2119.506 2119.98 2119.57 2119.87 Yeah . 2119.87 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2121.753 2122.316 2121.85 2122.28 Mm-hmm . 2122.28 IN1002 B MIO076 1 2123.678 2138.969 2123.678 2138.83 Anyway , the good the conclusion is to have a back-up and uh and C_D_ at home . Mm . 2129.05 2138.55 2138.83 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2125.773 2126.588 2125.89 2126.45 Yeah , maybe . 2126.17 2126.45 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2127.853 2128.352 2127.92 2128.29 Yeah . 2128.29 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2134.445 2138.619 2134.54 2138.619 No , C_D_s are not enough like , no . Yeah , how much uh 2134.73 2136.31 2137.42 2137.57 IN1002 C MIO050 2 2135.165 2137.31 2135.35 2137.09 Yeah , something like that I can recover . 2135.54 2137.09 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2136.04 2143.583 2136.15 2143.43 C_D_s are not enough , that's the problem . Because one C_D_ is how much ? It's not even one G_B_ . So then C_D_s are not enough . 2137.28 2138.74 2140.03 2141.86 2143.43 IN1002 C MIO050 2 2138.72 2139.563 2138.74 2139.563 No , but 2138.92 IN1002 B MIO076 1 2141.148 2141.713 2141.25 2141.65 Yeah . 2141.65 IN1002 C MIO050 2 2141.732 2159.117 2141.75 2159.117 For example f phonebook I can recover everything on phonebook , because I have it on the C_D_ . I wrote it once time to copy it to my home , and so I have all the data of my C_D_ . But I don't know if I had I copied all the numbers that are on that , so . 2146.09 2148.18 2150.87 2153.69 2157.58 2158.95 IN1002 B MIO076 1 2144.804 2145.286 2144.87 2145.21 Hmm . 2145.21 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2147.485 2147.976 2147.55 2147.85 Mm-hmm . 2147.85 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2157.248 2159.976 2157.3 2159.976 Hmm . You're talking about datas or you're talking about 2157.75 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2157.248 2157.673 2157.32 2157.58 Hmm . 2157.58 IN1002 C MIO050 2 2159.117 2168.928 2159.24 2168.928 Data itself . The whole feature to everything . Features , segmentation , every label file , everything is there . I could recover it back from there actually , but 2160.1 2162.29 2162.97 2164.48 2165.56 2166.47 2168.73 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2160.492 2161.836 2160.7 2161.66 Okay , mm-hmm . 2161.26 2161.66 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2162.181 2162.655 2162.24 2162.59 Hmm . 2162.59 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2168.692 2173.876 2168.89 2173.79 But what about home directories or he also kept everything in uh temp . 2173.79 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2171.608 2181.644 2171.72 2181.47 I don't know . No no , he wa he was having locked many things in the proper places . But in temp he wasn't having lot of important things , yeah . All the experiments which he was running . 2173.47 2173.73 2177.07 2179.33 2180.0 2181.47 IN1002 C MIO050 2 2173.014 2173.97 2173.014 2173.64 temp . 2173.64 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2176.587 2177.028 2176.67 2176.92 Yeah . 2176.92 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2181.649 2192.543 2181.79 2192.2 But he he did mostly on numbers , no ? So at least if we can recover we we can read some of his stuff or something . Did you locate it ? It is home or home speech or something . 2183.44 2183.56 2187.97 2188.66 2192.2 IN1002 C MIO050 2 2183.791 2184.323 2183.84 2184.28 No . 2184.28 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2186.956 2187.414 2187.03 2187.35 Mm-hmm . 2187.35 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2192.916 2193.98 2193.09 2193.91 Uh look what ? 2193.91 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2194.172 2196.66 2194.24 2196.52 Look for any features or anything are there . 2196.52 IN1002 C MIO050 2 2196.464 2197.397 2196.48 2197.397 No , i uh 2196.76 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2196.453 2198.133 2196.5 2198.02 But what we'll do with the switches ? 2198.02 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2198.661 2204.596 2198.74 2204.43 No no , he he maybe he might be using same P_L_P_ features or something , it they are different . 2198.96 2202.37 2204.43 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2202.878 2212.521 2203.04 2212.42 No no no no no . Okay , that way it might be , but the situation is that uh he he was generating his own P_L_P_ features from his own scripts . He was not using using doctor speech . 2203.85 2204.15 2205.62 2210.58 2212.42 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2206.552 2207.558 2206.73 2207.41 We don't know it . 2207.41 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2210.208 2211.159 2210.25 2211.159 Uh his own - IN1002 D MIO078 3 2212.525 2215.019 2212.55 2215.019 Ah okay , is here , he got uh his own 2213.51 2213.85 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2214.891 2233.822 2215.01 2233.68 Yeah . So he was like uh he was so I'd borrowed few of the things from him . The F_F_T_ routine and uh reading the signal wave form . These things I borrowed from him and I changed , and then I put it in my all programmes , so . 2215.58 2220.96 2226.49 2229.51 2233.22 2233.68 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2220.341 2220.848 2220.39 2220.76 Yeah . 2220.76 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2235.243 2254.636 2235.32 2254.37 I I kept the backups , but those backups are the them's also on temp . I didn't I didn't know that this this way it can crash , because I thought maybe I can do a mistake and wipe out the things . And then there is no backup . So I cannot blame anybody , but I didn't know that the whole backup can itself crash . 2236.38 2240.54 2243.63 2247.34 2248.9 2250.08 2254.37 IN1002 B MIO076 1 2243.742 2244.742 2244.3 2244.69 Mm . 2244.69 IN1002 B MIO076 1 2251.707 2252.148 2251.82 2252.0 Hmm . 2252.0 IN1002 B MIO076 1 2253.488 2256.16 2253.488 2256.11 Yeah . 2256.11 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2257.197 2257.596 2257.25 2257.5 Yeah . 2257.5 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2258.61 2267.158 2258.63 2267.158 So now in in my life I will never believe anything which is temp . Whether it is temperature or whether it is temporary . 2264.21 2266.93 IN1002 C MIO050 2 2264.019 2264.794 2264.12 2264.794 Not - IN1002 D MIO078 3 2267.279 2267.961 2267.35 2267.961 Uh - IN1002 D MIO078 3 2269.736 2270.36 2269.79 2270.21 Hey . 2270.21 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2270.5 2280.751 2270.82 2280.751 Because just few few days back I took a backup of my laptop , fearing the same thing . But then I didn't realise that I should take a backup of 2275.82 2277.63 IN1002 B MIO076 1 2277.143 2277.676 2277.22 2277.61 Mm-hmm . 2277.61 IN1002 C MIO050 2 2280.048 2298.091 2280.07 2297.94 Only good thing is that the numbers I think I pretty much can recover all the even the f triphone experiments . Because I think I have kept those labels , all those things in the speech directory . A P_ file of it . So it's easier to it all back , all those labels and everything , yeah . 2287.39 2289.42 2291.6 2293.95 2295.83 2297.8 2297.94 IN1002 B MIO076 1 2280.098 2282.277 2280.098 2282.2 Yeah . Reverse . 2281.58 2282.2 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2286.827 2287.468 2286.94 2287.34 Hmm . 2287.34 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2293.259 2295.23 2293.32 2295.08 Oh then it's good , you know like we don't really nee 2294.01 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2298.277 2300.308 2298.32 2300.308 So but your P_L_P_ is also like - IN1002 C MIO050 2 2300.295 2304.436 2300.49 2304.34 P_L_P_ should be there . I re should have kept the P_L_P_ also somewhere tha 2301.81 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2301.552 2302.151 2301.58 2302.03 Mm-hmm . 2302.03 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2304.731 2310.754 2304.83 2310.7 Then we just need to run your neural net only yeah , but P_ P_ P_L_P_s are like hardly few minutes li 2307.76 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2310.809 2312.314 2310.85 2312.25 P_L_P_ is hardly anything , yeah . 2311.98 2312.25 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2311.888 2312.385 2311.91 2312.22 Mm . 2312.22 IN1002 C MIO050 2 2314.006 2325.085 2314.19 2325.0 N mm , the the extra work on is like , you know , converting the segmentations from monophone to triphone , this kind of thing . Then the all the scripts are there in the temp file , that kind of thing . 2314.44 2316.19 2316.68 2321.17 2322.14 2324.27 2325.0 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2325.912 2326.636 2326.01 2326.47 Ah . 2326.47 IN1002 C MIO050 2 2326.449 2365.96 2326.49 2365.77 I uh like no no no no , no . No , what you do is like you have the segmentation to train that for monophones , right ? You can uh you can convert the same thing into triphone segmentation , because there is monophone and triphone , they are not different , except that you're just going to give a different label to them p depending on the context . So it's easier to convert that segmentation directly here rather than now ugh you know , you say the point that if you lose one uh so uh so the thing is that I have to recover means I have to recover through the pho no monophone segment segmentation to triphone segmentation , the whole thing . 2330.16 2331.58 2331.86 2335.96 2336.66 2339.7 2341.02 2342.08 2347.06 2352.32 2365.25 2365.77 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2326.474 2327.372 2326.51 2327.34 Which which scripts ? 2327.34 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2328.305 2330.783 2328.33 2330.73 From posteriors to s forced alignment . 2330.73 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2336.058 2336.591 2336.19 2336.46 Yeah . 2336.46 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2340.382 2343.226 2340.56 2343.15 Yeah , yeah . Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 2340.97 2342.31 2342.82 2343.15 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2344.992 2347.068 2345.02 2347.0 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 2345.42 2346.75 2347.0 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2350.031 2350.496 2350.14 2350.4 Mm-hmm . 2350.4 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2363.556 2364.321 2363.65 2364.321 And then - IN1002 D MIO078 3 2366.246 2369.073 2366.36 2369.03 But but you still need to run all the nets no l ? 2369.03 IN1002 C MIO050 2 2369.84 2373.964 2369.9 2373.88 Yeah , it's okay . Th that uh numbers it's very fast , so it's no problem . 2370.33 2371.3 2373.07 2373.88 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2371.308 2371.915 2371.53 2371.915 It's - IN1002 D MIO078 3 2373.264 2381.921 2373.39 2381.61 No , but it's it's not I think at least it takes two hours or three hours I think . you can't parallel also , that's the problem . 2373.6 2378.51 2380.88 2381.61 IN1002 C MIO050 2 2376.629 2390.72 2376.7 2390.67 Yeah , so it's yeah . Yeah , but right now you the thing is that right now you know almost what is the uh like the which will give you the best is also you can cont instead of running it hmm . 2377.0 2379.36 2379.51 2390.67 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2377.119 2379.1 2377.15 2378.97 Three years , two to three years , yeah . 2377.78 2378.8 2378.97 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2387.192 2407.288 2387.192 2407.19 Not in all cases , that's the problem which people are facing . Because everything was written then and there itself . Means even if the optimisation has been done , they did the optimisation there and they they worked on that started working on that . They didn't write it with pen or something on a paper or saying that okay , this is the best optimisation . 2389.71 2392.15 2395.67 2397.41 2401.99 2405.72 2407.19 IN1002 C MIO050 2 2392.112 2392.742 2392.13 2392.46 Yeah . 2392.46 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2397.76 2398.376 2397.87 2398.376 He - IN1002 D MIO078 3 2402.753 2403.327 2402.85 2403.2 Yeah . 2403.2 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2404.766 2405.281 2404.79 2405.13 Yeah . 2405.13 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2406.869 2417.372 2406.99 2417.372 Yeah . So for example if he want repeated all these results , then he ju he need to use all ma Hemant's P_L_P_ configuration then that's really 2407.95 2410.65 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2414.366 2414.84 2414.46 2414.71 Yeah . 2414.71 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2416.535 2423.013 2416.61 2423.013 Because if I change my configuration and your results are somewhere else . 2422.9 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2419.072 2420.391 2419.09 2420.391 Yeah , the results will be 2419.28 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2423.442 2425.491 2423.58 2425.35 Then you don't you don't know uh uh well . 2425.35 IN1002 C MIO050 2 2425.692 2434.544 2425.77 2434.544 Anyway mm let's recover it . Ho let's hope the best . I think I think we have spent 2429.08 2431.04 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2427.329 2427.895 2427.4 2427.7 Okay . 2427.7 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2430.524 2432.104 2430.7 2431.95 So how much time we have spent ? 2431.95 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2433.901 2439.253 2434.03 2439.16 Yeah , for thirty five , forty minutes it is . Uh uh thank you . 2434.33 2435.71 2437.6 2439.16 IN1002 C MIO050 2 2436.436 2442.914 2436.436 2442.65 Uh yeah . Okay . Fine . Okay , fine . 2439.78 2440.71 2442.21 2442.38 2442.65 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2436.446 2440.354 2436.55 2440.31 Okay , so this is good enough . Yeah . Okay , thank you . 2436.98 2438.5 2439.12 2439.75 2440.31 IN1002 B MIO076 1 2437.948 2440.726 2438.26 2440.58 Okay . Thank you , thank you . 2439.55 2440.19 2440.58 IN1002 A MIO022 0 2442.623 2443.504 2442.67 2443.33 Have a good day . 2443.33 IN1002 B MIO076 1 2444.044 2445.008 2444.2 2444.86 You too . 2444.86 IN1002 D MIO078 3 2451.885 2452.476 2451.91 2452.39 It's all ? 2452.39 IN1002 C MIO050 2 2453.108 2454.712 2453.23 2454.66 It's all , we have to leave fast . 2453.61 2454.66 IN1005 D MIO023 3 32.853 35.201 32.88 35.05 So is it correct or no ? 35.05 IN1005 A FIO041 0 35.785 36.422 35.89 36.25 Oops . 36.25 IN1005 B MIE080 1 36.699 41.808 36.75 41.72 You never know whether you've got these things on right or not . You never know whether they're on right or not . 39.45 41.72 IN1005 D MIO023 3 38.808 39.27 38.88 39.11 Hmm ? 39.11 IN1005 D MIO023 3 41.053 44.305 41.24 44.19 Yeah . Well , so we hope . 42.94 43.58 44.19 IN1005 C MIO043 2 41.743 42.205 41.87 42.12 Yeah . 42.12 IN1005 B MIE080 1 43.579 45.095 43.579 44.99 Feels wrong . 44.99 IN1005 B MIE080 1 48.249 49.588 48.31 49.47 Okay , so I don't need that . 48.55 49.47 IN1005 B MIE080 1 52.576 69.197 52.74 69.14 Okay . So David came in to me and to say uh i something we'd been talking about for a while was some stuff I'd been working on about using these topic models with uh with networks , with n things with links between them , documents that are linked . 53.91 65.5 67.78 69.14 IN1005 C MIO043 2 53.328 53.952 53.35 53.87 Okay . 53.87 IN1005 A FIO041 0 62.922 63.458 63.03 63.31 Mm-hmm . 63.31 IN1005 D MIO023 3 63.069 63.467 63.13 63.37 Mm-hmm . 63.37 IN1005 B MIE080 1 69.197 98.197 69.48 97.93 Uh n uh it's actually it's related to rapple , but it's not actually that th this is something I haven't actually been working on for a couple of months now , uh just because I came up with something more interesting that I've been working on , but uh th at the time basically I'd been trying to use P_L_S_A_ and those types of models on web pages , and that came up with uh a big problem in that most web pages have very very little text on them . 73.58 78.91 83.08 91.35 97.93 IN1005 A FIO041 0 70.232 72.67 70.31 72.48 The rapple also . No . 71.86 72.48 IN1005 A FIO041 0 81.951 83.408 82.08 83.408 Okay . 83.23 IN1005 D MIO023 3 98.018 98.452 98.11 98.33 Mm-hmm . 98.33 IN1005 B MIE080 1 98.197 131.328 98.52 131.23 But you can tell what they're about based on the other texts on the site , the texts on the things they're linked to , so what I wanted to know was can you combine the topic models that the pages , that have lots of text on them , with something else that that tells you what a page that has no or very little text on it based on the links , yeah . So quite simply if you have a page one which is like a home page , and that'll maybe have five links and a picture on it , and then because it links to page two and page three . 102.93 104.52 108.79 110.27 117.27 117.54 124.26 127.19 131.23 IN1005 A FIO041 0 115.328 117.635 115.36 117.36 Mm-hmm . With the link here in . 115.95 117.36 IN1005 B MIE080 1 132.917 135.406 133.04 135.21 Can you tell what this is about ? 135.21 IN1005 D MIO023 3 134.911 135.382 135.05 135.25 Yeah . 135.25 IN1005 A FIO041 0 134.815 135.659 135.32 135.42 Mm-hmm . 135.42 IN1005 B MIE080 1 135.406 160.779 135.56 160.53 Yeah , so I started looking at uh Google page rank , which kinda does this by saying well , the links go the other way , it says if this page is about fish or in Google , they say if this page is good in some way , and it links to this other page , and we don't know what this is , then that page is more likely to be good . And it's just page rank is just a simple algorithm for doing this over the whole big network . 135.91 139.4 142.91 143.76 148.05 150.45 153.28 154.7 157.06 160.53 IN1005 B MIE080 1 160.779 197.298 160.91 197.298 So I wanted to combine the topic models that tell you beforehand what you think this page and this page are about with this to maybe get a better idea . So the idea is say you've got some text on a page , that's only part of the picture about what of what the page is really about , and the links pointing to that page are also part of the picture . So I basically came up with an algorithm that's just a i it plugs P_L_S_A_ uh plugs page rank into P_L_S_A_ , right , so page rank you basically just d uh say 171.05 175.36 178.97 182.59 191.38 191.57 IN1005 A FIO041 0 167.599 168.081 167.71 167.99 Mm-hmm . 167.99 IN1005 B MIE080 1 199.654 228.752 199.77 228.752 You basically take the how good this page is , which is X_ , and how good this page is , which is Y_ , and you then say this page is based on uh how do you do this ? Based on the the links coming into it , uh it's just a like a sum over all the the links of uh well , X_ link I guess . O of of the value . Uh uh the but it's not it's 202.47 203.46 205.13 207.17 213.25 216.19 224.34 226.38 227.43 IN1005 A FIO041 0 215.744 216.161 215.77 216.06 Mm-hmm . 216.06 IN1005 A FIO041 0 225.346 231.832 225.54 231.832 Of the value , yeah , mm-hmm . Mm of the previous r uh page rank or of the 226.23 226.69 227.21 IN1005 B MIE080 1 230.52 235.909 230.6 235.81 Yeah . If if so if this is page rank of X_ , page rank of Y_ . 230.98 234.97 235.81 IN1005 A FIO041 0 234.56 234.928 234.58 234.87 Okay . 234.87 IN1005 B MIE080 1 237.25 255.699 237.32 255.65 I think this is roughly it off hand . Page rank of Z_ . So you say page rank of Z_ is equal to uh one over a constant to normalise it . Uh sum over all the links into Z_ of page rank 239.77 241.61 251.12 IN1005 A FIO041 0 249.45 250.298 249.59 250.12 Mm-hmm . 250.12 IN1005 A FIO041 0 256.832 258.497 256.832 258.31 Mm-hmm . 258.31 IN1005 B MIE080 1 257.152 279.484 257.17 279.39 of the link . Yeah , tha it's like that , yeah ? So similar idea . If you got a vector that says what the topics are , say you've learned from P_L_S_A_ a d a distribution of topics for every page , so if you say a probability of topic one for uh for page uh Z_ 258.53 258.95 260.4 261.33 263.22 265.49 269.71 IN1005 A FIO041 0 279.248 279.713 279.31 279.59 Mm-hmm . 279.59 IN1005 B MIE080 1 280.935 304.476 281.03 304.4 uh is equal to , and you can use the same sort of thing . Right , so nicking a whole bunch of maths from how you work out page rank , uh it comes up with uh just uh an iterative algorithm , which is just uh the current probability of topic one given Z_ , so that's probability old plus uh 281.8 284.41 284.74 289.64 292.54 299.8 IN1005 C MIO043 2 306.014 306.587 306.12 306.46 Okay . 306.46 IN1005 B MIE080 1 306.348 319.724 306.42 319.53 i yeah , plus that and then you normalise between them , so you say alpha and one minus alpha . Yeah . So w basically what you're saying here , one minus alpha say link contribution you can call this I guess . 306.9 308.79 311.88 312.88 315.37 319.53 IN1005 C MIO043 2 311.926 312.351 312.03 312.26 Okay . 312.26 IN1005 B MIE080 1 319.724 333.186 319.93 333.12 So what you're saying is that a page is partly from its text that you've got on the page , and it's partly from what the links say it's about . So that alpha thing is how much do you trust the text on the page , and how much do you trust the links . So that alpha could be different for every page . 323.67 326.51 329.93 331.49 333.12 IN1005 A FIO041 0 329.291 330.014 329.38 329.89 Uh-huh . 329.89 IN1005 A FIO041 0 333.232 335.546 333.32 335.51 Mm . Okay . 334.95 335.51 IN1005 B MIE080 1 334.681 362.672 334.8 362.32 So what I did then was try this on a big database of web pages . Uh and I had some results from that , but they were all on temp two , so that's not important right now . Uh but as it is not really important , I can regenerate that . The problem was that this gives you a new vector of topics for every page . So you've got two vectors , you've got the one that you've just got from P_L_S_A_ or whatever model , and you've got the one that you get from this . 340.54 342.92 343.94 345.38 347.87 349.56 356.68 357.76 360.34 362.32 IN1005 D MIO023 3 345.335 346.166 345.55 346.07 Mm-hmm . 346.07 IN1005 B MIE080 1 362.672 375.532 362.9 375.532 Uh how do you tell which one's better ? I had no way to evaluate this well . How do you tell that this page because you don't know where the topics are , 'cause they're learned automatically , uh so 365.14 367.28 370.96 373.45 IN1005 A FIO041 0 371.747 372.768 371.79 372.62 Mm uh-huh . 372.62 IN1005 C MIO043 2 371.953 372.59 372.17 372.51 Yeah . 372.51 IN1005 A FIO041 0 374.893 385.192 374.91 385.09 So wait uh , I don't get it . You you have two representation , one which comes from this link uh stuff , and one f this one is not based on P_L_S_A_ too ? Yeah . 375.25 376.15 377.56 380.61 384.59 385.09 IN1005 B MIE080 1 383.778 402.188 383.9 402.14 It it is , yeah , because uh b yeah , you initialise it with uh actually thi this is kinda wrong , this is not old , but start this is how you this is how you you start it off . So this this is what P_L_S_A_ gives you to start with , and then you iterate this and it becomes something else . 384.59 384.89 386.85 391.27 392.39 397.38 399.6 402.14 IN1005 C MIO043 2 385.025 387.763 385.1 387.57 It is the initialisation of . 387.57 IN1005 A FIO041 0 386.804 387.554 387.36 387.52 Okay . 387.52 IN1005 A FIO041 0 390.847 391.288 390.91 391.288 Y - IN1005 A FIO041 0 393.232 395.662 393.47 395.44 A T_ , yeah , uh okay . 393.73 394.19 395.44 IN1005 C MIO043 2 395.206 397.751 395.26 397.59 Yeah . But then it is iterative . 396.4 397.59 IN1005 A FIO041 0 397.472 399.287 397.55 399.15 Yeah . Yeah , okay , okay . 398.4 398.7 398.86 399.15 IN1005 C MIO043 2 401.328 421.234 401.39 421.18 Okay . So you you should first train the P_L_S_A_ stuff , then you initialise this link uh spreading thing , and then you iterate over okay . And it converge and so you have the boost uh initial P_L_S_A_ and P_L_S_A_ plus the link thing then . 402.44 406.37 410.53 412.88 421.18 IN1005 A FIO041 0 402.201 402.675 402.3 402.51 Okay . 402.51 IN1005 B MIE080 1 405.857 406.439 405.94 406.32 Yeah . 406.32 IN1005 B MIE080 1 410.192 412.833 410.23 412.75 Mm-hmm . That's it , exactly , yeah . 411.71 412.11 412.55 412.75 IN1005 B MIE080 1 420.606 454.822 420.74 454.73 Exactly , yeah , so you've now got you've got P_L_S_A_ gives you two probabilities , right ? So it gives you a probability of a topic given a document , which is Z_ given D_ and a probability of a word given a topic . So this is the same for both models . Yeah ? Well yeah , what you do is you're taking this and iterating over it , the probability of the topic given the document . Uh so have I made that clear , I'm I'm not sure if I'm explaining this well . Okay . Right , so y i you m 421.26 421.49 425.31 425.55 430.04 436.28 439.38 440.13 441.49 444.71 446.96 449.16 451.17 452.1 452.87 IN1005 C MIO043 2 429.801 430.235 429.9 430.09 Yeah . 430.09 IN1005 A FIO041 0 434.859 435.366 435.06 435.3 Mm-hmm . 435.3 IN1005 C MIO043 2 435.877 436.2 435.96 436.12 Mm . 436.12 IN1005 C MIO043 2 439.164 439.7 439.21 439.64 Yeah . 439.64 IN1005 D MIO023 3 439.855 443.54 439.97 443.44 Oh , this is is frozen frozen okay . Mm-hmm . 440.13 442.69 443.44 IN1005 A FIO041 0 443.827 444.858 443.95 444.7 Ah uh okay . 444.7 IN1005 A FIO041 0 449.821 451.65 449.821 451.54 Yeah yeah , it's okay . 451.19 451.54 IN1005 D MIO023 3 450.498 451.219 450.55 451.09 Yeah , . 451.09 451.09 IN1005 C MIO043 2 453.554 459.434 453.57 459.29 So th yeah , you you you were saying that you would like to evaluate that now . Yeah , right . 455.46 458.79 459.09 459.29 IN1005 B MIE080 1 458.406 483.966 458.78 483.966 Yeah , so we were struggling at how do you evaluate this , because uh I mean if you look at the way that P_L_S_A_ and all those kind of models have been evaluated , it's th they never quantitative quantitatively do anything , they always say uh well , look at the clustering , there's here we've got some documents that all appear to be about the same thing , and here's where we get some other documents that all appear to be about the same thing , and you can't really tell exactly how good that is , you can just get an idea that it's 459.1 461.3 466.98 470.35 473.22 474.12 477.67 479.87 482.52 IN1005 D MIO023 3 472.736 474.266 473.03 474.18 Perplexity , uh . 473.66 474.18 IN1005 A FIO041 0 475.54 476.554 475.62 476.5 Mm mm mm . 476.5 IN1005 A FIO041 0 480.639 481.264 480.79 481.1 Yeah . 481.1 IN1005 A FIO041 0 484.028 493.553 484.06 493.33 Or they use the perplexity on the the likelihood to say oh good , this likelihood is uh is it's smaller than the other . Mm . 489.04 493.3 493.33 IN1005 D MIO023 3 486.029 486.427 486.11 486.31 Yeah . 486.31 IN1005 B MIE080 1 492.18 501.941 492.26 501.941 Yeah , so tha that's the first thing th that thing when I spoke to you about this , you suggested d use the likelihood and Pedro came up with a really good example why that could be bad . So you have uh 492.63 495.49 500.43 IN1005 A FIO041 0 500.016 500.416 500.04 500.38 Mm-hmm . 500.38 IN1005 B MIE080 1 503.76 517.372 503.81 517.33 you have the uh oh , let me thing of what this was . It was to do with cars basically , if you have you have a topic that's uh representing 507.65 509.6 511.7 IN1005 B MIE080 1 519.079 542.666 519.14 542.58 cars , and you can tell that that's representing cars by looking at this distribution , and it's the same for both . Now you wanna tell which i i this page , uh Pedro's example of what it was , is that is says on the page Lotus Elise . Okay ? And that uh no f I can't I just remember it was a really can you ig remember what it was ? 519.71 522.46 524.21 526.92 529.39 533.17 534.42 542.58 IN1005 A FIO041 0 523.488 523.922 523.51 523.78 Mm-hmm . 523.78 IN1005 D MIO023 3 542.595 551.384 542.73 551.27 Oh , no re no I don't even remember the the you said I would tell you that evaluation should be done based on likelihood or perplexity . 542.99 551.27 IN1005 B MIE080 1 542.666 544.699 543.63 544.62 No , okay . 544.09 544.62 IN1005 B MIE080 1 551.775 557.104 551.87 557.05 Yeah , I didn't really consider doing it on perplexity , actually , that to be hon but okay . 552.09 554.24 554.69 557.05 IN1005 D MIO023 3 554.416 558.076 554.47 558.076 Well it's bu yeah , it's basically the same , but 556.82 557.8 IN1005 A FIO041 0 555.472 556.938 555.53 556.72 Uh it's the same . 556.72 IN1005 C MIO043 2 555.721 556.271 555.96 556.13 Hmm . 556.13 IN1005 C MIO043 2 558.016 609.051 559.09 608.99 But but maybe you you could have some some other labelli li or the task like if if you imagine you have some labelling on of of the web pages like like like for example you you look at at at at at a set of pages , and you have the m the directory entries of these pages , so so f like Yahoo or entries , so you have categories and and entries , so for example you have I dunno , cars , S_U_V_ , etcetera . So what you would like would be that two pages on in the same um category should be closer than than two pages being spread across different categories . 577.06 582.86 587.29 589.5 590.97 591.45 592.15 593.16 608.99 IN1005 D MIO023 3 559.473 560.346 559.53 559.91 I dunno . 559.91 IN1005 D MIO023 3 563.82 565.52 563.9 565.52 Yeah , another task or 564.04 IN1005 B MIE080 1 582.759 583.507 582.82 583.39 Okay . 583.39 IN1005 B MIE080 1 609.632 616.372 609.7 616.372 Is that fair though , because I think one of the things with these topic models is that you don't know you can't make them cluster 610.52 IN1005 C MIO043 2 612.512 652.926 612.6 652.75 But you you would not use this you will not use the Yahoo directory or n the directory in the training step of i of the model , okay . This is something you have just for evaluation , and then for example you you your task would be to say I have some page and and I know where it is in the in the in the directory , and I have another page , I don't know where it is , and I would like to to know uh whether it is in the same category as the first one , just by comparing their uh aspects . 622.16 622.93 626.93 639.51 640.49 642.51 649.19 652.75 IN1005 D MIO023 3 614.654 615.341 614.82 615.15 Yeah . 615.15 IN1005 B MIE080 1 622.557 623.047 622.6 622.97 Okay . 622.97 IN1005 A FIO041 0 653.472 660.443 653.49 660.35 I it's making the assumption that uh this human categorisation is related to the one that is discovered uh mm . 660.35 IN1005 B MIE080 1 654.237 654.69 654.3 654.53 Hmm . 654.53 IN1005 B MIE080 1 658.336 659.103 658.4 658.93 Yeah . 658.93 IN1005 C MIO043 2 659.467 681.345 659.72 681.31 If they have the same uh yeah . So basically what you would like to check if is is is there some similarity in the in the in the aspect distribution , tells me uh something about uh the sim the the fact that they could be on the same category in the the this end end label categories . 662.07 670.09 681.31 IN1005 A FIO041 0 661.79 662.081 661.82 661.99 Mm . 661.99 IN1005 D MIO023 3 676.609 677.297 676.84 677.17 Mm-hmm . 677.17 IN1005 D MIO023 3 681.332 681.729 681.38 681.63 Yeah . 681.63 IN1005 B MIE080 1 681.68 709.123 681.75 708.77 Okay . And that is is that really fair though ? Can you say that if a set of documents if the clustering of these documents is closer to the effecti what you what you've got there is uh a clustering of documents a as your devaluation , yeah ? Uh thi this these labels , the Yahoo categories , that's that's a clustering . So you're by saying that this clustering is closer to that clustering is is does that necessarily mean that it's better ? 683.18 685.26 697.01 697.68 699.66 700.88 702.37 708.77 IN1005 C MIO043 2 695.808 697.43 695.83 697.36 Yeah . Yeah . 697.01 697.36 IN1005 A FIO041 0 695.947 696.653 696.01 696.55 Oh , yeah . 696.2 696.55 IN1005 C MIO043 2 700.254 702.315 700.29 702.25 Yeah , yeah . Yeah . 700.76 701.99 702.25 IN1005 A FIO041 0 706.634 707.407 706.69 707.407 No , but 706.88 IN1005 D MIO023 3 706.912 723.334 706.95 723.334 No no no , i no no no no , it's doesn't have to be that if if you use the latent representations or distribution over aspects , you could use this to save two documents uh in the same directory or not . And this you should be able to evaluate then . Um 707.43 709.16 715.32 720.29 722.71 IN1005 C MIO043 2 708.16 709.047 708.18 708.99 No no no no no . 708.99 IN1005 C MIO043 2 710.626 711.107 710.66 711.107 How would - IN1005 B MIE080 1 713.62 714.174 713.76 713.96 Mm-hmm . 713.96 IN1005 C MIO043 2 721.84 752.643 721.86 752.58 So so so w what what you would have have basically would be to have a directory which give you labels for some part of the documents . Okay , so this is a directory and this is some some some some web page , okay . So the labelled one , okay . And you have some page which are unlabelled but you have links between those two . So what what you would do is that you would try and P_L_S_A_ and and uh and use a model over that . 731.31 731.62 735.63 736.81 738.27 739.2 745.63 752.58 IN1005 B MIE080 1 722.362 723.046 722.4 722.76 Okay . 722.76 IN1005 B MIE080 1 727.137 727.728 727.24 727.49 Mm-hmm . 727.49 IN1005 C MIO043 2 754.999 803.236 755.03 803.17 Then then you would like to for example what f what could be very simple would be just to then to match each pages like that . So let's say you have you have a a page which is labelled , and you say okay , the the label page two should get should be the one w which it is the most similar to , or any kind of classification rules you can imagine . And so and so you say okay , what what's if I from from this page which have the similar so so the the criterion would be to compare those two distribution , okay , and then and then you would like to assign to this document too where you don't know the labels the same one as this one . 765.1 769.18 770.58 776.18 781.04 783.39 793.64 794.54 803.17 IN1005 B MIE080 1 768.402 768.845 768.47 768.7 Mm-hmm . 768.7 IN1005 C MIO043 2 804.64 810.132 804.69 809.99 And and here , that you use only for test , so this is your . 806.79 808.64 809.99 IN1005 C MIO043 2 811.44 831.185 811.47 831.09 Then you can evaluate how wrong you are or cu how close you are from the real assignment , the right directory category . In this way I think it's fair if you kn if you know only if you know only that and that and what you would like to discover is this . 816.46 820.4 831.09 IN1005 A FIO041 0 819.864 821.935 819.92 821.935 But I have the feeling i in - IN1005 B MIE080 1 819.344 820.657 819.92 820.41 Mm-kay . 820.41 IN1005 C MIO043 2 833.949 846.83 834.02 846.73 This is a r like a real task . Like like if if if this directory uh uh company would like to extend this directory to new pages without the hassle of having human labelling . 837.02 846.73 IN1005 B MIE080 1 835.079 835.643 835.13 835.41 Mm . 835.41 IN1005 A FIO041 0 848.256 852.844 848.29 852.66 But in this case you you have to use uh the label one , yeah . Your los 851.96 852.17 IN1005 C MIO043 2 851.754 857.464 851.93 857.464 Yeah , you have t you use this one . You you only have the labels for some uh small part of the 852.18 853.82 IN1005 A FIO041 0 856.306 861.34 856.47 861.34 But how does it enter in that ? I i you have to train your uh 859.4 IN1005 B MIE080 1 859.239 862.824 859.32 862.79 We uh I think your point was that you you train this without labelling first , yeah ? 862.52 862.79 IN1005 C MIO043 2 859.28 859.89 859.39 859.89 So - IN1005 C MIO043 2 862.967 874.452 863.0 874.39 So you you would train it you this is this is t t all all those links are known . The links between some labelled document and unlabelled document . 871.22 874.39 IN1005 A FIO041 0 867.872 869.218 867.89 868.86 Your training data . 868.86 IN1005 A FIO041 0 874.736 881.892 874.76 881.77 Yeah , but the point is that you should change in a way that to take the label into account , or not ? 874.98 881.43 881.77 IN1005 C MIO043 2 882.203 914.262 882.23 914.07 I d I think you can do it as a two step process . First you you train uh well maybe s it wou could be better if if if you take it into account . But but maybe you can you can do just a two step process , first one you have this uh unsupervised task over both P_L_ and P_U_ , and then you from these unsupervised starts you can know which document of P_L_ is close from the document of P_U_ or the reverse . And you can infer some label to a document of P_L_ . 885.19 892.59 895.89 901.72 910.4 914.07 IN1005 A FIO041 0 884.897 885.296 884.97 885.22 Okay . 885.22 IN1005 A FIO041 0 899.688 900.61 899.77 900.57 Okay , okay . 900.04 900.57 IN1005 D MIO023 3 909.872 910.179 909.89 910.13 Yeah . 910.13 IN1005 B MIE080 1 910.413 911.069 910.61 911.0 Mm . 911.0 IN1005 D MIO023 3 912.498 926.623 912.58 926.49 Clearly wha we we had done these . You can train after that uh an S_V_M_ , saying this is category one or two on the label document , and then we will have an unlabelled document and you just say this is directory one or two . 915.05 918.07 921.83 926.49 IN1005 B MIE080 1 921.506 921.949 921.59 921.81 Mm-hmm . 921.81 IN1005 D MIO023 3 928.121 937.578 928.17 937.37 And if it should improve it , if you say this feature extraction process is better than you can have a better cleaner separation between those two . 930.14 937.37 IN1005 B MIE080 1 938.088 968.523 938.28 968.33 Well th yeah , the the thing that worries me about this approach is that say the really really really simple example of this where your directory had two categories in it , uh good and bad , and and and you run P_L_S_A_ on it , now that doesn't do it good and bad , it does , I dunno , English and French pages , so they don't match , but the clustering is still very good in in one respect . Uh but but you you can extend that up , even if you have a hundred categories , P_L_S_A_ can find a hundred clusters that are a good clustering , but are completely unrelated to the directory . 938.88 946.97 948.18 949.99 951.47 952.22 952.62 954.24 955.51 959.42 961.04 962.51 966.21 968.33 IN1005 A FIO041 0 946.648 947.354 946.74 946.96 Mm-hmm . 946.96 IN1005 C MIO043 2 947.173 948.539 947.27 948.4 Yeah . Yeah yeah . 948.06 948.4 IN1005 A FIO041 0 953.168 953.769 953.25 953.7 Mm-mm . 953.7 IN1005 D MIO023 3 959.368 960.302 959.48 960.302 Yeah , well but 959.62 IN1005 D MIO023 3 967.347 979.195 967.49 978.89 Yeah , well , but I mean if you have to judge it's with respect to a given task , I mean you can't say of course it's always good , because it's maximising the likelihood of whatever . 967.67 968.28 972.28 975.31 978.89 IN1005 B MIE080 1 972.912 973.355 972.97 973.24 Hmm . 973.24 IN1005 A FIO041 0 976.496 977.354 976.52 977.26 No , but w 976.66 IN1005 B MIE080 1 977.298 994.128 977.53 994.128 But but what I wanna know i is that which of them has the better representation of a given page . So so given a random page , uh and these two models , uh and the wo the words that these two models give , which is more likely to 984.48 986.48 988.21 990.85 IN1005 C MIO043 2 984.096 985.072 984.12 985.072 Yeah , but 984.62 IN1005 D MIO023 3 986.256 986.69 986.38 986.56 Yeah . 986.56 IN1005 C MIO043 2 988.16 988.464 988.18 988.42 Yeah . 988.42 IN1005 C MIO043 2 992.297 1018.526 992.39 1018.23 Yeah . But but here you can you you say given a random page of P_U_ , which of those two model is more likely to to to to to say for example that thi the page of P_L_ which is the most similar , so you so so from this so you take any distribution comparison things , so so Hoffmann in his paper was doing just cosine similarity , but you can do anything . 992.84 997.41 1007.61 1013.04 1016.58 1018.23 IN1005 B MIE080 1 996.752 997.149 996.82 997.08 Mm-hmm . 997.08 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1016.955 1017.424 1017.14 1017.36 Mm . 1017.36 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1018.526 1037.324 1018.69 1037.324 So so you just compare uh those two distributions so of D_ one and D_ two , okay ? And so with that you can you can determine for example for a document o of the set two to the most similar 1027.51 1029.29 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1027.906 1028.358 1027.98 1028.24 Mm-hmm . 1028.24 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1038.79 1047.733 1038.81 1047.66 So you you you you select D_ one so in this set which is the most similar to D_ two according to the distribution from one or the other model - IN1005 B MIE080 1 1048.346 1048.808 1048.42 1048.68 Mm-hmm . 1048.68 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1049.202 1058.559 1049.29 1058.51 and then and then for this document you automatically assign to it the label of the document uh one - IN1005 C MIO043 2 1060.16 1066.648 1060.21 1066.53 and you check with this which is your uh your your if you are right or not . 1066.53 IN1005 D MIO023 3 1067.366 1067.781 1067.45 1067.65 Mm . 1067.65 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1068.16 1093.777 1068.18 1093.7 This is what what this is very related to what Frank did with the with the keyword uh image annotation . So you would have a set of keywords , the set of image label with keywords , and he has a set of unlabelled image with some , and it would check whether the the label he assigns , so in this case annotation word h are correct . And I think it's fair uh it's fair uh setup . 1075.71 1077.44 1080.23 1083.44 1087.36 1090.94 1093.7 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1069.142 1070.01 1069.24 1069.64 Okay . 1069.64 IN1005 D MIO023 3 1075.318 1076.501 1075.36 1076.45 Yeah , it's the same . 1075.69 1076.45 IN1005 D MIO023 3 1079.984 1080.575 1080.06 1080.34 Mm-hmm . 1080.34 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1092.918 1093.749 1093.28 1093.64 Yeah . 1093.64 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1095.202 1095.803 1095.27 1095.73 Okay . 1095.73 IN1005 D MIO023 3 1095.743 1096.711 1095.86 1096.46 Fus . 1096.46 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1095.791 1106.076 1095.9 1105.98 So maybe this classification rule is not the best . There there's some might be some work to do , but the general idea , I think it's it's fair evaluations , it's a task . 1098.94 1101.61 1103.3 1105.23 1105.98 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1106.893 1116.809 1106.91 1116.809 S okay . I'm I'm just n concerned that that's uh that that's it's answering a question that evaluates in some way , but maybe not in the way that 1108.14 1115.06 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1111.94 1112.919 1111.98 1112.74 That can be dep - IN1005 B MIE080 1 1119.508 1130.9 1119.59 1130.9 Well that maybe not is the same way I was thinking , but maybe it's a better way um so what I mean by that is that sorry , I'm trying to process all this . Uh 1121.15 1128.95 1130.39 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1130.157 1130.878 1130.26 1130.79 Yeah . 1130.79 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1133.856 1148.285 1133.92 1148.05 Yeah , i it's the same thing , like it it does tell you whether this uh which clustering is better for this task , but it doesn't tell you which clustering better represents the pages necessarily . But it it's it you you could say that it possibly doe it probably does . 1134.1 1135.19 1139.3 1144.28 1148.05 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1138.805 1139.193 1138.86 1139.08 Yeah . 1139.08 IN1005 D MIO023 3 1138.759 1139.304 1139.03 1139.25 Mm-hmm . 1139.25 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1143.238 1146.582 1143.49 1146.5 No , but according to this directory yeah . 1143.93 1146.5 IN1005 A FIO041 0 1143.876 1145.064 1143.92 1145.064 But i - IN1005 D MIO023 3 1146.48 1151.945 1146.61 1151.87 Yeah . 'Cause I don't think there is any way to say generally this this is better or worse . 1147.36 1151.87 IN1005 A FIO041 0 1149.785 1150.451 1149.81 1150.35 No . 1150.35 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1150.054 1153.141 1150.054 1153.03 yeah . I I I think it's w 1151.9 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1150.835 1151.491 1150.98 1151.39 Okay . 1151.39 IN1005 A FIO041 0 1151.728 1159.205 1151.81 1159.07 The the there is not uh v uh perfect uh clustering clus wh what is the how do you judge uh what is a good clustering ? 1159.07 IN1005 D MIO023 3 1155.648 1156.138 1155.69 1156.02 Yeah . 1156.02 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1156.042 1156.56 1156.23 1156.35 Yeah . 1156.35 IN1005 D MIO023 3 1157.934 1164.368 1158.01 1164.21 It has to be re it has to be really to with respect to this , this clustering makes sense or I dunno . 1162.21 1164.21 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1158.091 1158.849 1158.21 1158.7 Yeah . 1158.7 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1161.312 1191.815 1161.38 1191.63 Yeah . What's good with the directory is that you have a good coverage of various topic humans humans can label . But then if you want to detect different languages , this is another task . I think the task of this latent model is to discover some some semantic like some topic proximity between documents , and here this la this directory is doing the same thing , like associating some topics with some documents manually . So comparing them is is is is good setup with respect to the goal . 1162.89 1168.47 1170.6 1172.23 1179.5 1182.73 1186.47 1191.63 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1163.245 1163.807 1163.32 1163.65 Mm . 1163.65 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1186.402 1186.862 1186.48 1186.74 Yeah i - IN1005 A FIO041 0 1190.192 1193.712 1190.21 1193.712 And you're not exactly compar uh . You're comparing them 1192.56 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1193.533 1208.576 1193.65 1208.44 I compare those two , like the P_L_S_A_ and the one over this same task of assigning good directory . I don't know if if it if it will provide good result result or not , but it is clearly a benchmark for those two goals . 1194.84 1199.27 1203.93 1208.44 IN1005 A FIO041 0 1195.749 1199.0 1195.85 1198.93 Ah , okay okay . Yeah yeah . Yeah . 1196.27 1197.24 1198.62 1198.93 IN1005 D MIO023 3 1207.65 1213.705 1207.69 1213.705 Yeah . You can e even keep the bag of words and do the cosine comparison or 1208.93 IN1005 A FIO041 0 1214.075 1216.977 1214.16 1216.94 Also like a baseline , yeah . 1216.52 1216.94 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1214.65 1217.071 1214.76 1217.0 On on the infra yeah , yeah . 1216.66 1217.0 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1215.183 1215.808 1215.35 1215.71 Mm . 1215.71 IN1005 D MIO023 3 1215.607 1230.804 1215.76 1230.68 Just showing just showing how just first how better this is with respect to bag of words and hopefully then how you new uh regularised P_L_Z_ given D_ is . I dunno just uh yeah it's basic . 1227.01 1230.68 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1220.054 1220.571 1220.11 1220.5 Yeah . 1220.5 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1222.484 1223.764 1222.65 1223.65 Like bag o yeah . 1223.65 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1226.891 1228.768 1226.98 1228.67 Yeah , you can have tree setups , uh yeah . 1227.15 1228.42 1228.67 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1227.569 1228.299 1227.64 1228.02 Okay . 1228.02 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1230.813 1239.895 1230.89 1239.86 Yeah , basic cosine over the P_ of T_ given D_ , so over all this uh empirical distribution . And the two uh aspect uh models . 1231.23 1234.33 1237.4 1239.86 IN1005 D MIO023 3 1236.784 1237.218 1236.86 1237.08 Mm-hmm . 1237.08 IN1005 D MIO023 3 1240.256 1240.842 1240.43 1240.842 But - IN1005 B MIE080 1 1241.776 1242.193 1241.82 1242.07 Mm . 1242.07 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1243.424 1248.092 1243.44 1248.092 I think mm . Uh no , I th I'm I'm coming round to it actually . 1245.68 1246.14 1247.71 IN1005 A FIO041 0 1243.413 1248.415 1243.5 1248.415 You m you still not combi - IN1005 C MIO043 2 1245.44 1254.496 1245.44 1254.496 We have to repeat over and over . This is like advertisement . No no , it's joke . 1250.23 1252.37 1252.67 1254.29 IN1005 D MIO023 3 1245.681 1254.301 1245.681 1254.301 Yeah . 1253.74 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1249.514 1259.912 1249.64 1259.72 No , I'm so I I I think I g uh I I get it . Uh I I th I think it probably is fair , I'm just I I've gotten um uncomfortable with it , but I think that'll go if I think about it enough . 1250.14 1253.54 1255.24 1257.72 1259.72 IN1005 A FIO041 0 1251.029 1252.825 1251.15 1252.825 No no , but it's another 1251.5 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1258.749 1261.512 1258.749 1261.47 No , it's jus 1261.12 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1259.912 1287.474 1260.08 1287.16 Uh but but yeah , the it it but it just seems a little suspect , but I think that's just from the whole point that you can't tell which clustering is b better . But uh what I'd thought before was could you get people to evaluate this by by hand basically , could you give people a set of pages and like say you did it with five topics for example . Uh now you give people five sheets uh you give uh a t a a user five sheets of paper , each with 1261.96 1264.39 1270.43 1274.69 1280.33 1286.63 IN1005 D MIO023 3 1260.834 1261.407 1260.9 1261.28 Yeah . 1261.28 IN1005 A FIO041 0 1269.566 1270.139 1269.74 1269.99 Mm . 1269.99 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1269.963 1273.616 1270.06 1273.37 Yeah , yeah . This is really yeah , yeah . 1270.67 1271.08 1273.18 1273.37 IN1005 D MIO023 3 1270.338 1272.071 1270.38 1271.8 Yeah , just know where . 1271.16 1271.8 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1279.622 1280.139 1279.71 1280.03 Yeah . 1280.03 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1287.474 1320.828 1287.8 1320.828 words in varying sizes representing the probability of that topic for example . Try give the user these pieces of paper to get an idea of what these topics are , that's this P_ of W_ given Z_ . And then you give them some pages , and say which one would you which piece of paper would you put that with , and then you get like an intuitive ide uh like how would a person cluster pages given the what these topics supposedly are . 'Cause i you've got something that's fixed , the the P_ of W_ given Z_ with respect to both models . So I was tr I was hoping you could use that to 1291.6 1295.24 1297.36 1299.54 1305.47 1314.07 1315.43 1318.52 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1288.779 1289.195 1288.83 1289.07 Yeah . 1289.07 IN1005 A FIO041 0 1296.88 1297.364 1296.9 1297.29 Mm-hmm . 1297.29 IN1005 D MIO023 3 1296.976 1297.543 1297.12 1297.43 Yeah . 1297.43 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1303.923 1304.403 1304.07 1304.36 Yeah . 1304.36 IN1005 A FIO041 0 1311.178 1312.241 1311.61 1312.08 Mm . 1312.08 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1313.952 1314.322 1313.97 1314.13 Yeah . 1314.13 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1317.773 1343.728 1317.9 1343.728 Yeah . But the point is that the Z_ the the the aspect like the Z_ are are are come unsupervisely . It's it's more like if you were giving the people you you said to them okay , uh divide me this bunch of documents into five topics , and you don't give them the topics a priori , you know . So the two person could come up with very different one is very interesting i in 1318.85 1326.5 1331.15 1334.58 1338.21 1338.74 IN1005 A FIO041 0 1341.128 1382.177 1341.24 1382.06 Mm-mm . In fact I I have seen a paper in I_C_M_L_ where the guy was trying to learn which word he um aspects of clustering , so I give you I give the real users mm the person um a bunch of marbles and they begin to say okay , and they have to divide it in five group , and in the end it's not al it's it's always different to the clustering each people has , because it's completely subjective . But in but there is uh some characteristic that are for transparency , colour , which are um features that made the clustering , that can be extracted even if the clustering it's always different . 1342.88 1352.01 1360.49 1362.82 1366.9 1369.33 1373.81 1374.74 1378.82 1382.06 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1341.944 1342.563 1341.98 1342.25 Mm . 1342.25 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1352.425 1353.164 1352.48 1352.68 Mm-hmm . 1352.68 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1358.176 1358.582 1358.25 1358.45 Mm-hmm . 1358.45 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1368.679 1369.612 1368.72 1369.43 Yeah , okay . 1369.09 1369.43 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1376.688 1378.37 1376.78 1378.21 Yeah . Right . 1377.98 1378.21 IN1005 D MIO023 3 1378.113 1378.602 1378.18 1378.55 Mm-hmm . 1378.55 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1379.056 1379.583 1379.18 1379.51 Hmm . 1379.51 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1381.43 1381.836 1381.49 1381.69 Yeah . 1381.69 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1383.845 1384.482 1383.94 1384.37 Okay . 1384.37 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1384.534 1388.245 1384.57 1388.15 So I I think I think it's yeah . 1388.15 IN1005 A FIO041 0 1385.056 1389.457 1385.23 1389.25 So so that's only to say that uh it's it can be really infinitive clustering . 1389.25 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1388.688 1433.487 1388.85 1433.28 See , the the thing about web pages I thought as well in that getting humans to evaluate it in some way is that you have most of the web pages that are uh well a lot of the web pages that are important in some way are are are home pages , so Google dot com doesn't actually say the words search on it , I think . I maybe it says go , but you only know it's about search through the thing , but someone looking at it can tell that it's a search engine , because of the way it's laid out , because of the pictures on it and because of all of that . There's a lot of information that's completely lost in this bag of words representation , and I was hoping that in some way you could use that to evaluate this . I have no idea how , but uh yeah . 1389.07 1402.79 1406.97 1407.87 1409.22 1412.1 1414.91 1416.12 1419.36 1422.8 1428.26 1430.53 1433.28 IN1005 A FIO041 0 1411.578 1412.169 1411.66 1411.99 Mm-hmm . 1411.99 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1414.844 1415.334 1414.92 1415.23 Yeah . 1415.23 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1423.996 1424.486 1424.08 1424.36 Yeah . 1424.36 IN1005 A FIO041 0 1432.096 1446.532 1432.28 1446.32 Say another another example apart from uh this uh search . Uh I don't get it exactly . What you mean , then don't don't use a Google page because it's uh too uh s root , but uh another page mm . 1436.57 1438.48 1439.52 1444.38 1446.32 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1436.594 1436.963 1436.71 1436.89 Mm . 1436.89 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1443.197 1460.287 1443.34 1459.85 But eve ev even someone would would provide very different labels , like like someone would say it's a page in English , someone would say it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a web page uh wh which has very few uh information in it or anything . 1447.86 1450.22 1459.85 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1460.287 1503.914 1460.4 1503.81 So I think there's no hard clustering , and what's good with those model is that they they can they they are intended to provide you some some kind of way to compare two documents rather than to give you pre-defined sets of documents . This is not hard clustering . The o I I don't think one one one aspect or one latent topic has any sense by his own . It's when you have the word set and the word distribution that you c you can tell something . If you just take one of them alone , so you take all the P_ of Z_ given D_ and all of the P_ of W_ given giv given Z_ , you you you can do anything with that . It's it's the whole set . 1462.78 1475.83 1477.56 1484.83 1490.21 1493.72 1499.4 1502.47 1503.81 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1463.016 1463.534 1463.12 1463.38 Yeah . 1463.38 IN1005 D MIO023 3 1484.784 1485.449 1484.82 1485.09 Yeah , yeah . 1484.97 1485.09 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1505.429 1534.841 1505.49 1534.81 I would say an an and this is oh it it should be evaluated , meaning that like for example uh the the example about marbles is that the point what you can learn from all these sets made by people is that is that those two those two marble would be consider as more likely to be in the same sets , because they they share some common properties which are not seen as the same for every one . But they share some common properties that people will notice . 1509.97 1525.07 1531.54 1534.81 IN1005 A FIO041 0 1523.905 1524.53 1524.09 1524.41 Mm . 1524.41 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1527.234 1527.723 1527.32 1527.56 Mm . 1527.56 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1536.375 1549.93 1536.45 1549.81 And if you look at the two the d all possible pairs of marble , you would have some mu much more agreement between people than than if you look at the predefined sets people would would just cut at some precise uh point . 1540.34 1549.81 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1536.908 1537.408 1537.01 1537.26 Yeah . 1537.26 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1551.753 1552.416 1551.79 1552.416 You know what's - IN1005 B MIE080 1 1552.694 1579.835 1552.8 1579.8 Okay , I think I know it . But it yeah , thi this is effectively what we have here though , and th that directory is one clustering of the marbles . And you're hoping that it it so what you're saying is that I have two clusterings of marbles for my two models , and I have a test clustering of marbles . It's saying that one of these is more close to the test t t to the the one that we've been given , is that it's saying that what does that actually say ? That doesn't uh it says it's g better for this task , but it doesn't really say anything else . 1553.16 1554.29 1554.83 1556.69 1559.93 1565.73 1568.25 1573.65 1576.24 1578.33 1579.8 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1559.312 1559.929 1559.47 1559.73 Yeah . 1559.73 IN1005 A FIO041 0 1559.476 1560.124 1559.5 1559.94 Mm-hmm . 1559.94 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1564.354 1564.806 1564.45 1564.66 Yeah . 1564.66 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1572.377 1614.888 1572.81 1614.81 Well you don't you don't really have two clustering no no no no , you don't you don't really have two clustering . No no no no , you don't have two clustering of of of marbles . What you have is y is you have is you have one clustering of marble , which is this one , and then you have lots of people telling you I consider those marbles as very uh have to have very salient feature that they share in common , I I c I would like them to be in the same cluster . And you c and and and those two , so and one of them is labelled , and the other is not labelled . So you look at that , you say oh , someone told this one was very similar , and this one is said to be blue for example , I dunno if it's the label . So I put it in the blue bag . 1576.35 1578.52 1579.96 1582.52 1587.13 1588.58 1597.09 1599.86 1602.54 1605.06 1606.56 1607.3 1607.74 1609.88 1611.99 1613.57 1614.81 IN1005 D MIO023 3 1573.104 1574.237 1573.25 1574.237 No , it does 1573.4 IN1005 A FIO041 0 1575.775 1576.981 1576.05 1576.981 Oh , it's not that 1576.3 IN1005 D MIO023 3 1578.076 1581.106 1578.24 1580.91 Yeah . It doesn't have to match . 1579.0 1580.91 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1586.709 1587.208 1586.85 1587.09 Mm-hmm . 1587.09 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1602.052 1602.588 1602.13 1602.45 Okay . 1602.45 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1616.296 1616.952 1616.39 1616.79 Okay . 1616.79 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1616.514 1628.484 1616.56 1628.38 But but you don't you never use the blue bag , you don't ask the people to look at the blue bag . You just look at the people you you just have the people to compare those two marbles . And then it happens that some of them have been clustered . 1618.63 1620.92 1625.71 1628.38 IN1005 A FIO041 0 1630.079 1638.792 1630.14 1638.792 People being your algorithm ? That's the point ? Mm . It's getting 1631.95 1632.93 1637.58 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1630.064 1630.822 1630.14 1630.822 And and - IN1005 C MIO043 2 1632.499 1641.487 1632.58 1641.39 Yeah . Yeah . Yeah , this is I reverse both role . The this is the players . 1633.84 1635.72 1636.14 1640.21 1641.39 IN1005 D MIO023 3 1633.68 1641.442 1633.68 1641.2 Yeah . But yeah , it just re 1638.56 1639.53 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1639.198 1649.617 1639.29 1649.54 Okay . Uh and so and so if I get that right , what what the algorithms are still coming up with is in this way you're looking at a clustering of marbles , yeah ? If each of the algorithms comes up with a defin 1640.44 1642.01 1646.59 1647.52 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1647.42 1678.066 1647.54 1678.01 I i no no no no no . It comes up with not with the clustering but with some way to compare two marbles , okay . Some would say would say I consider those two ones are completely dissimilar , and the other ones say they are very similar . And if you find that in your unl unlabelled clustering those two uh balls uh marbles happen to be in the same uh cluster , you said the user algorithm might be wrong . But you average that over lots of documents . 1649.65 1656.56 1657.25 1661.59 1664.27 1673.28 1675.94 1678.01 IN1005 D MIO023 3 1656.56 1656.985 1656.59 1656.85 Mm-hmm . 1656.85 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1657.296 1659.332 1657.38 1659.03 Ah okay , right , that makes sense . 1658.12 1658.36 1659.03 IN1005 D MIO023 3 1658.384 1658.799 1658.48 1658.63 Yeah . 1658.63 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1679.042 1679.606 1679.1 1679.51 Okay . 1679.51 IN1005 D MIO023 3 1680.909 1694.368 1680.93 1694.368 Because the the latent aspects really doesn't have to match the final uh directory category . It can be anything but it's just a way of saying yeah , those documen documents are similar in some sense . So 1687.14 1690.15 1693.84 IN1005 A FIO041 0 1685.203 1686.45 1685.31 1686.41 Mm-hmm , exactly . 1685.82 1686.41 IN1005 A FIO041 0 1696.745 1698.674 1696.77 1698.43 We're not trying to to fit yeah . 1698.43 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1697.141 1697.808 1697.2 1697.68 Okay . 1697.68 IN1005 D MIO023 3 1697.669 1708.163 1697.83 1708.163 Is it just it just sometime dangerous to say th these latent aspects means this . Yeah , I think yeah . Good , good good . 1703.46 1703.84 1705.23 1705.92 1707.66 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1703.193 1723.082 1703.29 1722.86 Okay . I'm convinced , I'm convinced , alright . So it's good . Right . Uh alright , well thanks . Um I'm trying to think of anything I haven't said about the stuff , but that uh from looking at the results I got it looked quite good , um just like hand reading them in that one of the things I did was I started a i a web crawl at the IDIAP homepage . 1703.66 1704.35 1704.93 1705.34 1706.4 1706.83 1708.48 1708.96 1712.7 1715.85 1722.86 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1723.082 1747.38 1723.26 1747.16 It did not very many pages , only like two thousand or something like that , but enough to get the pages that were close to IDIAP to have a lot of links between them . So that there was enough to be able to run this link clustering algorithm . So what you find is that the pages around IDIAP , there's a lot of English pa speaking pages and a lot of French speaking pages , so of course this uh P_L_S_A_ completely separated those out into into categories . 1725.5 1726.8 1731.51 1735.55 1738.71 1741.87 1747.16 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1747.38 1759.11 1747.52 1759.11 Uh so when I looked at the the word likelihoods , there were two topics . One was very clearly English words that most likely word was the , and one was very clearly French words most likely words was de I think and uh 1750.92 1751.78 1754.65 IN1005 A FIO041 0 1754.151 1754.933 1754.36 1754.6 Mm . 1754.6 IN1005 D MIO023 3 1758.114 1758.52 1758.21 1758.4 Mm-hmm . 1758.4 IN1005 A FIO041 0 1759.344 1764.416 1759.36 1764.416 You had onl two topics ? Or no ? Yeah . 1760.87 1761.59 1764.1 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1760.703 1769.59 1760.81 1769.45 No , I had many topics . The others looked like garbage , couldn't tell what they might have been . But anyway , uh tha that's often the case , when you look at it you can tell very clearly that one or two topics are a b not the rest , yeah . 1761.0 1761.74 1762.73 1764.04 1765.0 1766.03 1769.31 1769.45 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1764.393 1764.809 1764.44 1764.62 Yeah . 1764.62 IN1005 A FIO041 0 1766.609 1767.649 1766.67 1767.52 Yeah , yeah , yeah . 1766.93 1767.14 1767.52 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1767.01 1767.647 1767.18 1767.53 Yeah . 1767.53 IN1005 D MIO023 3 1768.464 1772.146 1768.58 1771.95 Yeah , and the others usually don't mean anything , yeah . 1768.77 1771.48 1771.95 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1769.602 1821.995 1769.67 1821.83 Yeah . Yeah . They make sense only so global optimisation , the likelihood is optimisable globally over the whole aspects , etcetera . So it's it's you never ask the model to do hard clustering of documents , you just uh ask uh it to find a distribution over aspects such that a document uh is more likely according to the restriction that the number aspe aspect is limited . And and so it the it just makes sense on the uh looking at the whole set . So y I think all evaluation should take that into account and look at the whole aspect set . Like here you look at the aspect set because you look at the similarity of two distribution . An any st any kind of thing you where you un unfold the model and look at it manually , looks weird , like like in those Hoffmann papers where show you columns with words or things . 1770.94 1771.58 1773.73 1776.48 1777.32 1781.36 1793.13 1798.1 1804.78 1809.55 1815.68 1816.9 1821.83 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1771.428 1771.91 1771.46 1771.73 It is . 1771.73 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1804.606 1805.137 1804.77 1805.01 Ok - IN1005 D MIO023 3 1810.208 1810.708 1810.4 1810.61 Mm-hmm . 1810.61 IN1005 D MIO023 3 1821.677 1822.157 1821.8 1822.01 Mm-hmm . 1822.01 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1822.73 1854.59 1822.86 1854.25 Hmm . That w uh anyway , that when I run it on that , uh what I found was , looking through some of the sites uh I looked for the sites that the models differed on , that where one said it was probably an English phrase and the other said it was probably a french phrase , and I found a good few examples where you had a site that looked uh well one that I remember off hand was it was a page and it was a big picture , and links down the site , but the links were all pictures . So you couldn't the the words were in French and the links , but there were no words picked up by the when I did the crawl for the model . 1823.72 1824.44 1825.48 1827.16 1831.82 1835.67 1845.2 1846.39 1848.08 1850.48 1854.25 IN1005 A FIO041 0 1849.976 1850.633 1850.13 1850.49 Mm-hmm . 1850.49 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1854.59 1881.308 1854.77 1881.308 And there was a small bit down here , and in this there was uh meant to be picture in there , but it didn't load uh or uh b it was meant to be something else , and it said uh in English it said four O_ four this page cannot be found . So all the words on this page were English , but it was very very clearly a French page . So the first model said it was an English page 'cause all the words were in English , second model said very definitely a French page because all of these pointed to French sites and it was only pointed to it was something dot F_R_ as well , it's 1857.55 1859.4 1862.51 1867.23 1869.32 1871.74 1874.21 1881.13 IN1005 A FIO041 0 1871.005 1871.529 1871.16 1871.43 Mm-hmm . 1871.43 IN1005 A FIO041 0 1877.226 1879.232 1877.25 1879.19 It was linki , mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 1878.29 1878.79 1879.19 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1878.36 1879.072 1878.46 1878.89 Okay . 1878.89 IN1005 D MIO023 3 1879.546 1880.017 1879.67 1879.95 Okay . 1879.95 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1881.497 1882.107 1881.56 1881.99 Okay . 1881.99 IN1005 A FIO041 0 1882.016 1885.2 1882.04 1884.91 So it was a a good point for you . Mm mm-hmm mm . 1884.22 1884.91 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1883.835 1916.317 1883.89 1916.317 Yeah . So I I found a couple of examples that were kinda like that . Mm but the the problem that I found when I ran it , uh the th the thing that was a bad point was that if you have uh say tryin I was trying to say if you could evaluate this with search given some keywords like which model would more likely find you a p good document , that that sort of approach . Uh what I found was that say you had uh 1885.4 1888.2 1891.64 1906.3 1907.95 IN1005 D MIO023 3 1884.112 1885.926 1884.19 1885.66 For your model , mm , good . 1884.85 1885.47 1885.66 IN1005 A FIO041 0 1887.188 1888.736 1887.32 1888.66 Like this , yeah , mm mm mm , okay . 1887.77 1888.04 1888.52 1888.66 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1917.952 1938.933 1918.0 1938.84 Uh th tha that's not too relevant necessarily , but if you have say a topic distribution for uh one page , and it very very highly scores on the P_L_S_A_ for one of the the topics , and that's right , okay , this model , because it's averaging out over all the pages nearby , all of the topic distributions become more flat . It it becomes more uncertain about everything . 1919.72 1924.79 1928.43 1929.79 1930.62 1931.14 1934.26 1936.91 1938.84 IN1005 A FIO041 0 1933.254 1935.174 1933.31 1934.97 Mm-hmm . mm . 1934.18 1934.97 IN1005 A FIO041 0 1936.784 1937.278 1936.81 1937.17 Mm-mm . 1937.17 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1938.891 1939.575 1938.95 1939.38 Okay . 1939.38 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1938.933 1967.301 1939.26 1967.11 So I don't know if that's necessarily a good thing or not , yeah . In in some cases it's gonna be a bad thing , b because ev every page is linked by the way the algorithm works , every page is linked eventually to everything else , so it every page has information incorporated in it . Or i the distribution learned for every page has information incorporated in it , from every other page's distribution as well , so it averages out , it flattens all the distributions , depending on what this alpha is . 1942.03 1942.78 1945.02 1949.5 1952.49 1956.02 1960.52 1962.44 1963.92 1965.72 1967.11 IN1005 A FIO041 0 1940.846 1943.224 1941.03 1942.99 Mm-mm , probably not , yeah . 1941.95 1942.78 1942.99 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1941.667 1942.083 1941.72 1942.03 Yeah . 1942.03 IN1005 A FIO041 0 1944.755 1945.296 1944.84 1945.24 Mm-mm . 1945.24 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1945.622 1946.241 1945.69 1946.03 Yeah . 1946.03 IN1005 A FIO041 0 1951.968 1952.496 1952.0 1952.46 Mm-mm . 1952.46 IN1005 C MIO043 2 1965.328 1995.183 1965.48 1995.1 Yeah . Yeah . But also it depends on that could be a good effect . Because if you if you can be if you can if you are uh highly reliable about one page , but all the page linking to it are actually about very different topics , so you could say maybe I was wrong from deciding only due to the text that this page was about this aspect distribution , because because all the other pages are voting in different direction . 1966.95 1967.8 1970.91 1978.45 1982.96 1991.67 1995.1 IN1005 A FIO041 0 1965.525 1965.916 1965.62 1965.79 Mm . 1965.79 IN1005 A FIO041 0 1966.983 1968.48 1967.07 1968.48 Yeah mm . And 1967.82 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1982.433 1982.895 1982.53 1982.78 Mm-hmm . 1982.78 IN1005 B MIE080 1 1996.51 1998.21 1996.56 1998.21 Well I I think that the thing is - IN1005 C MIO043 2 1997.807 1999.126 1998.03 1999.126 While there's a balance - IN1005 B MIE080 1 1999.856 2025.867 1999.88 2025.867 Yeah , that that there's a balance in the uh for example take a page like uh Slashdot , and it's like a news site uh for geeks , and you have uh nerds , yeah . News for nerds , stuff that matters . Uh all of the like hundreds of thousands of pages point to that , but they're about completely different things , so you in effect are losing information about what that page is about , because there's so many things pointing to it and they all average out as 2000.15 2004.32 2008.12 2011.38 2011.9 2012.62 2013.6 2017.22 2019.51 2022.67 IN1005 D MIO023 3 2008.102 2014.108 2008.102 2014.108 Nerd . Nerd . 2011.6 2013.6 IN1005 A FIO041 0 2007.153 2010.022 2008.83 2010.022 Mm-hmm . 2009.98 IN1005 A FIO041 0 2011.567 2014.178 2013.59 2014.178 Yeah . 2014.1 IN1005 C MIO043 2 2022.596 2023.049 2022.65 2022.92 Hmm . 2022.92 IN1005 C MIO043 2 2024.284 2024.839 2024.35 2024.65 Yeah . 2024.65 IN1005 A FIO041 0 2024.584 2035.698 2024.75 2035.37 Um this alpha , i can it be dependent of the of the document ? And how many text is in it ? Or something uh yeah . 2027.27 2030.67 2033.7 2035.37 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2030.164 2031.171 2030.21 2031.171 Yeah , so that 2030.61 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2034.074 2055.426 2034.18 2055.426 Th that's my first idea w was how I set this I remember for the Lotus thing wasn't there ? Um so I thought you wanna probably set this alpha per page , there's probably some heuristics , for example this page , there's no text in it , will set it very low in user information for the links . Problem is , this is what Pedro immediately said , what if you have a page that looks like this ? It's got a big picture of a car uh 2038.77 2042.72 2043.93 2044.84 2046.06 2048.49 2049.2 2050.79 2052.8 IN1005 D MIO023 3 2034.57 2035.143 2034.64 2035.04 Mm . 2035.04 IN1005 A FIO041 0 2038.136 2038.569 2038.26 2038.42 Mm . 2038.42 IN1005 A FIO041 0 2045.473 2047.744 2045.68 2047.49 Mm-hmm , so mm . 2046.13 2047.49 IN1005 A FIO041 0 2055.488 2055.862 2055.55 2055.76 Mm-hmm . 2055.76 IN1005 C MIO043 2 2057.704 2061.616 2057.75 2061.616 Pedro's always speaks about cars . 2061.37 IN1005 D MIO023 3 2059.771 2061.732 2059.86 2061.68 Yeah , cars and web . 2060.36 2061.68 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2060.475 2085.379 2060.74 2085.17 Anyway , and it says Lotus Elise , so you know that it's definitely about car , but it's only got two words . So you can't just do it by words , because those two words completely specify into something or other . Uh su you suggested doing likelihood , but at that time and I can't remember what my problem was with that . It might not have been a good thing , but you've got two likelihoods for it as well . No , maybe not . 2061.06 2063.54 2065.19 2066.25 2067.39 2071.11 2074.48 2079.05 2081.97 2084.65 2084.84 2085.17 IN1005 A FIO041 0 2066.144 2066.645 2066.18 2066.4 Mm-hmm . 2066.4 IN1005 C MIO043 2 2084.059 2117.036 2084.16 2117.036 But I think for any kind of way you have to select those alpha you you have to look at the effect on on the re on the t evaluation task . And then maybe you can find some patterns that are then then once you have the once you have the task , you could look at at which pages are completely missed by one model , which others are are successful with one model , and and you can maybe infer some some rules afterwards . But if you have no task , you can uh blindly select s good alphas . 2092.93 2099.68 2103.72 2106.73 2110.8 2113.18 2116.98 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2092.153 2092.643 2092.22 2092.52 Mm . 2092.52 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2097.164 2099.428 2097.38 2099.33 Yeah , maybe do it by cross-validation , something . 2097.55 2098.99 2099.33 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2118.064 2119.024 2118.14 2119.024 Okay , there's 2118.39 IN1005 C MIO043 2 2118.495 2156.84 2118.61 2156.79 Like like if if you look at uh if you look at your task and you see that , I dunno uh , the the long pages for example have good P_L_S_A_ model without fusing links , so then you can infer some heuristics like okay , the alpha should be proportional to the lengths or anything like that , or to the number of image in the pages , or anything . But you should have some some task where you can individually look at the performance on every on every page . And and and and at as a second step you could infer some kind of rule about how to select alphas with respect to the task . 2122.62 2124.32 2130.57 2133.16 2136.28 2138.21 2140.16 2148.69 2156.79 IN1005 A FIO041 0 2119.533 2121.171 2119.61 2121.06 Oh , of course . Yeah , mm . 2119.73 2120.38 2120.8 2121.06 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2121.208 2121.744 2121.4 2121.49 Mm . 2121.49 IN1005 A FIO041 0 2134.568 2135.084 2134.73 2134.79 Mm . 2134.79 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2139.675 2140.072 2139.71 2139.96 Hmm . 2139.96 IN1005 A FIO041 0 2145.636 2148.563 2145.69 2148.45 Yeah , yeah , w w I think we've agree on that , yeah . Mm-mm . 2145.84 2146.14 2147.74 2148.24 2148.45 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2147.803 2149.688 2147.89 2149.62 Yeah , that that is fair . 2148.65 2149.62 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2159.811 2160.578 2159.87 2160.39 Yeah , okay . 2160.14 2160.39 IN1005 C MIO043 2 2160.151 2165.899 2160.37 2165.85 Maybe it's v it's very simple rules , but select them blindly s might be odd . 2162.56 2165.85 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2161.899 2163.071 2161.899 2162.92 It yeah , d 2162.73 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2164.947 2165.437 2164.99 2165.18 No . 2165.18 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2166.813 2176.79 2166.88 2176.69 Yeah , i so uh I I think that that's too easy . You can do it with some heuristics and you can learn it from the task results in or combine the two , so tha that's kinda straightforward , I think . 2167.21 2169.39 2174.72 2176.39 2176.69 IN1005 C MIO043 2 2173.477 2173.995 2173.58 2173.86 Yeah . 2173.86 IN1005 A FIO041 0 2174.28 2174.811 2174.35 2174.64 Mm . 2174.64 IN1005 A FIO041 0 2176.896 2181.454 2176.93 2181.454 Mm probably heuristic it will be easier to compute because - IN1005 B MIE080 1 2180.199 2214.763 2180.44 2214.61 Yeah , the the the thing about doing it through cross-validation or something like that with the task is uh the problem with doing a page rank style algorithm is that is that it gets better it it converges better and it gives you better results , the closer a network is to being a small world network . So small world network mean basically some far links , but generally very clustered locally . Uh now the thing about doing a web crawl is , the bigger your web crawl , the closer it'll be to the overall structure of the net n the internet , which is a small world network . The smaller your web crawl , the less small world network like it's gonna be . 2180.68 2192.63 2196.38 2199.71 2202.95 2205.56 2206.86 2209.44 2210.67 2212.24 2214.61 IN1005 C MIO043 2 2181.312 2181.829 2181.45 2181.66 Yeah . 2181.66 IN1005 A FIO041 0 2195.888 2198.65 2195.92 2198.42 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm , yeah , mm . 2197.35 2198.09 2198.38 2198.42 IN1005 D MIO023 3 2196.115 2196.633 2196.14 2196.44 Mm-hmm . 2196.44 IN1005 C MIO043 2 2202.711 2203.283 2202.79 2202.99 Yeah . 2202.99 IN1005 A FIO041 0 2214.1 2215.023 2214.27 2214.96 Mm . 2214.96 IN1005 D MIO023 3 2214.633 2215.224 2214.73 2215.1 Mm-hmm . 2215.1 IN1005 C MIO043 2 2214.665 2215.191 2214.75 2215.05 Yeah . 2215.05 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2214.763 2241.154 2215.5 2241.154 So the more pages you get , the better your results . And people running this style of algorithm , the page rank style stuff , generally run it on about two million or twenty million pages , or whatever . The the Stanford web base data set that I was using for this , for for a bit of this um , they have a a d I can't remember off hand , but they have m maybe a bit over a theta byte worth of web pages in this , a bunch of servers . Uh 2216.81 2217.98 2219.75 2220.74 2224.39 2225.29 2228.91 2231.24 2235.07 2239.25 2240.73 IN1005 C MIO043 2 2228.854 2229.482 2228.92 2229.4 Yeah . 2229.4 IN1005 A FIO041 0 2237.771 2239.501 2237.92 2239.501 Mm . 2239.31 IN1005 C MIO043 2 2239.078 2253.633 2239.23 2253.633 But but but still li like the the the work I did on on hyperlinks , like I used uh Wikipedia , i I think it's g because it has fairly high level of inside links between 2244.89 2247.19 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2246.512 2248.602 2246.65 2248.52 Yeah , maybe Wikipedia is a good thing to do . 2246.79 2248.52 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2252.085 2264.148 2252.34 2264.148 Was I was concerned about Wikipedia though was that it's while it has a high level of inside links that has a lot of directory style links as well that might mess up it actually being a see wh while you have - IN1005 C MIO043 2 2262.652 2279.04 2262.77 2279.04 Yeah . Well you can categorise them because they are th it's there's a structure on the on the web page . So you you can select only the links which are within the article or within the categories or it's it's it's well-structured , it's it's uh easy to manipulate and 2263.41 2269.68 2276.86 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2273.833 2274.895 2273.9 2274.75 Ah okay , that's good . 2274.28 2274.75 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2279.209 2284.642 2279.28 2284.48 That plus I guess it's actually straightforward to say to start with is this a small world network and then run it on that . 2284.48 IN1005 C MIO043 2 2283.573 2288.285 2283.71 2288.17 Yeah . You can even isolate the directory from the categories of Wikipedia . 2284.31 2288.17 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2288.589 2296.201 2288.65 2296.12 You were running that on what we what was it , like half a million pages , something like that ? Is it and that was for half of it ? Uh if I remember . 2290.54 2291.69 2293.37 2295.36 2296.12 IN1005 C MIO043 2 2293.019 2306.162 2293.1 2306.162 Well yeah , actually I I I divided in three equal size parts which have one hundred fifty documents . There are a thousand documents . And well , but 2294.06 2303.02 2304.59 2305.79 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2299.074 2299.536 2299.11 2299.47 Okay . 2299.47 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2302.532 2303.927 2302.59 2303.927 Okay , the whole thing was 2302.93 IN1005 A FIO041 0 2306.311 2309.687 2306.45 2309.687 Did you manage to to divide the link uh properly or - IN1005 C MIO043 2 2309.885 2347.951 2309.97 2347.82 Well , what I did with the link well , but this is not th exactly the same setup you would have . So in this setup , the whole link structure could be known , and the only thing you wou don't you w don't know would be the assignation to uh to a category . In my setup it was different , because I I sh I couldn't use the links between different sets . But this is not I don't want to mess you up with that , it's not the same kind of experiment . But you could just use the whole corpus like this , and and for some of them you assume you don't know the the category assignment . And then you can run this set of experiments over Wikipedia . 2310.3 2312.07 2315.59 2317.01 2318.93 2325.24 2326.41 2330.32 2334.15 2336.26 2339.29 2344.69 2347.82 IN1005 A FIO041 0 2314.323 2314.902 2314.34 2314.81 Okay . 2314.81 IN1005 A FIO041 0 2322.555 2323.07 2322.57 2322.97 Mm-hmm . 2322.97 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2325.33 2326.078 2325.56 2325.9 Mm . 2325.9 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2338.786 2339.192 2338.86 2339.08 Mm-hmm . 2339.08 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2347.226 2358.45 2347.32 2358.3 Okay . I mean I think off hand thinking about this model it would have to work better , because two things in the same category are going to be linked . So it it yeah . 2348.31 2351.23 2355.32 2358.3 IN1005 C MIO043 2 2354.763 2361.813 2354.85 2361.78 Yeah . But this is the yeah , this is the hypothesis between this uh in this P_L_S_A_ with link stuff . 2356.25 2357.3 2361.78 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2362.283 2371.651 2362.36 2371.37 Okay . Yeah , that's I think tha it's gonna be more true in some networks and in some tasks than others , and I think in the Wikipedia it's probably gonna be it's a good one to test on . 2363.82 2364.02 2368.68 2371.37 IN1005 C MIO043 2 2363.35 2364.55 2363.42 2364.52 Oh yeah , I thi 2364.13 IN1005 C MIO043 2 2368.653 2408.547 2368.75 2407.99 Yeah . But you can you can think also at at other uh task like that . Like for example you can take proceedings and assume the categories are the keywords of the of the d of the documents , and then if you have the archive of a journal , you can you can use the l the links between uh the citation links . So if you want to have a bigger stuff so Wikipedia would be kind of very small with lots of Engli in links , and then if you take a journal you will have less links and and more documents . And then you would be likely to say that P_L_S_A_ might be better over that , because you don't have enough links . 2369.33 2373.05 2381.08 2383.04 2388.84 2395.84 2402.21 2406.72 2407.99 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2381.183 2381.599 2381.23 2381.49 Mm-hmm . 2381.49 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2390.892 2391.474 2390.97 2391.29 Okay . 2391.29 IN1005 C MIO043 2 2408.547 2454.226 2409.12 2454.15 So you you you can find examples which are not the web I think it's good to work in closed set . Wikipedia is kind of closed set , ma even if there's lots of outside links , but there's lots of inside links . You have to think at at at at at at at database where there's lot of in links . Wikipedia might be one , citation , for example if if you take the NIPS arch archive , which is available . NIPS author always other NIPS author , which are often themselves , etcetera . Well , it's reported , I I won't say . So but but but but yeah , I think th th this kind of setup maybe web pages it's hard to find , sets of web pages which have good links stuff if you start from one page or something . 2415.5 2416.97 2420.0 2421.92 2427.18 2428.8 2429.49 2432.21 2433.6 2436.08 2437.62 2438.76 2439.14 2439.82 2441.81 2444.23 2447.92 2454.15 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2409.533 2410.033 2409.66 2410.0 Okay . 2410.0 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2426.507 2426.913 2426.53 2426.79 Hmm . 2426.79 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2452.081 2452.746 2452.16 2452.64 Mm-hmm . 2452.64 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2454.988 2504.812 2455.05 2504.63 Okay . Yeah , it I'll maybe I'll have a look at the Wikipedia stuff anyway . I'm stuck doing something else for the next month or two anyway , so . Uh this is always the case . Uh the there's another thing , um uh this was new but I haven't thought about this too much , but it's on the same lines in that uh have have you guys seen this uh correlated topic models work ? Correlated topic models . It's David Blei , the guy that came up with uh with L_D_A_ . He's got uh a new model that's it's published in NIPS this year , but his co-author put it on their web site a month or two ago . So uh you know L_D_A_ ? D you all know L_D_A_ or yeah . Uh okay . So a L_D_A_ you basically draw a a Dirichlet which says like what type of document this is effectively , and then you draw a topic given that Dirichlet distribution and then you draw words given that . 2455.75 2456.03 2459.24 2461.83 2462.12 2463.89 2465.12 2469.04 2476.75 2477.97 2478.76 2481.35 2484.39 2487.32 2490.11 2492.81 2493.67 2498.64 2504.63 IN1005 C MIO043 2 2462.108 2462.672 2462.22 2462.53 Okay . 2462.53 IN1005 D MIO023 3 2476.219 2477.263 2476.31 2476.92 Which ones , uh ? 2476.72 2476.92 IN1005 D MIO023 3 2479.636 2480.384 2479.8 2480.17 No , no . 2479.93 2480.17 IN1005 A FIO041 0 2480.097 2480.91 2480.31 2480.85 L_D_A_ . 2480.85 IN1005 A FIO041 0 2491.481 2491.93 2491.53 2491.82 Mm-hmm . 2491.82 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2504.812 2518.043 2504.812 2517.69 Alright , well that's for for every word and that's once for the document and that's you've got a parameter coming at this globally . So that that's roughly what the model is , plus other little bits . 2506.04 2514.94 2516.53 2517.69 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2518.043 2546.056 2518.28 2545.76 But anyway , so what they did was they they reworked this because one of the problems with L_D_A_ , and I think P_L_S_A_ has this problem as well in is that uh the more topics you have , the less uh expressive it can be , because the topics it cluster it it pushes a document if it is pulling a document into one topic , it pushes another topic away from that . Doesn't that make sense ? So the topics are necessarily trying to be different from each other . 2519.19 2523.25 2529.4 2532.53 2539.6 2541.6 2542.48 2545.76 IN1005 A FIO041 0 2541.496 2542.003 2541.59 2541.89 Mm-hmm . 2541.89 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2546.056 2568.752 2546.39 2568.53 So the more topics you have , the more th they're sort of squeezing into the space of what things can be about uh and things are kinda pushed out , so once you m go over you try it one corpus , and once you go over about a hundred , maybe two hundred topics , uh the the new you add more topics and it doesn't get better in any way , the model doesn't . The n new topics are effectively going to just be garbage . 2547.45 2554.43 2556.96 2558.24 2559.94 2565.21 2566.0 2568.53 IN1005 A FIO041 0 2564.848 2565.432 2564.93 2565.34 Mm-hmm . 2565.34 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2568.752 2600.445 2569.05 2600.445 Uh , alright , so what they did was they they they stopped using the Dirichlet and uh they're starting to use uh a Gaussian there . So it it in to spare the details basically , they've they've got a variable here , I think they call it eta uh and they from this generate a distribution of topics in some way , but it's generated from a Gaussian space , from a from a a space , so it's given a a mean and covariance uh and 2569.57 2569.77 2578.63 2583.03 2584.78 2592.37 2595.25 2596.3 IN1005 D MIO023 3 2578.481 2579.2 2578.78 2579.0 Hmm . 2579.0 IN1005 C MIO043 2 2600.17 2602.288 2600.22 2602.288 But it's discrete uh no , the 2601.86 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2602.727 2644.21 2602.79 2644.11 Yeah , uh so what it does , the this is the the bit that took me forever to understand actually , uh same model , but this is given a Gaussian space it maps that down into the simplex of what a topic can be about . The so the simplex basically if you've got a say you've got two topics . Now say i i say you get three topics , that makes more easier to draw . Uh for this is theta one theta two theta three , these are the probabilities that that a document is about uh this theta one is the probability that this document is about topic one . Theta two is so these guys all have to add up to one , yeah ? 2603.02 2604.07 2607.54 2609.25 2617.23 2623.29 2625.96 2627.92 2631.99 2640.75 2643.52 2644.11 IN1005 A FIO041 0 2631.06 2631.525 2631.1 2631.41 Mm-hmm . 2631.41 IN1005 A FIO041 0 2643.872 2644.262 2643.9 2644.18 Mm-hmm . 2644.18 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2644.21 2659.38 2644.53 2659.19 Uh so that basically means that what a document is about lies on this space between them , yeah . So this is the simplex . Uh so basically a distribution generated by this guy is basically a point on this simplex . 2650.33 2650.93 2653.01 2659.19 IN1005 A FIO041 0 2648.992 2650.291 2649.15 2650.18 Mm pyramid , yeah . 2650.0 2650.18 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2659.38 2688.496 2659.61 2688.03 So what they do is they've got a distribution that maps uh a Gaussian and some space into a distribution on this thing , so it maps it into Gaussian in that . The cool thing about that is that if you've got two Gaussians , you can tell how close they are . So you can now tell how close two topic distributions are , right ? So you can have as many as you like , uh and you can tell that they're close to each other , so there's load of ideas that I had about this uh in that if you can tell that two topic distributions are close to each other . 2667.06 2669.49 2672.19 2674.16 2677.36 2678.13 2680.22 2681.98 2688.03 IN1005 C MIO043 2 2667.279 2667.981 2667.43 2667.88 Okay . 2667.88 IN1005 A FIO041 0 2676.28 2677.352 2676.51 2677.27 Ah , okay . 2676.99 2677.27 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2688.496 2699.636 2688.86 2699.16 So for example if you split a document into two parts and said that the two parts have to be close in the distribution , you can see how the doc t the document changes , for exa stu stuff based on that . 2694.13 2697.53 2699.16 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2699.636 2730.928 2700.12 2730.84 With this idea , what if rather than working with this P_ of Z_ given D_ thing that you had from P_L_S_A_ , but what if you worked from these Gaussians that you get for every document and you said that in some some function that said uh that the Gaussian representing this should be similar to the ones linking to it . Now I haven't thought about any of the maths for this , but but it should be uh straightforward I guess to to formulate a basic in terms of the mean should be similar and the covariance maybe should be similar as well . 2701.5 2707.78 2720.64 2722.51 2730.84 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2732.854 2743.809 2732.93 2743.67 So it might actually be a better model again . I dunno . I'll send you guys the link for that correlated topic model stuff if you want , but uh I don't know if it's too interesting to you . 2735.1 2737.75 2740.67 2743.67 IN1005 C MIO043 2 2735.056 2735.472 2735.08 2735.38 Yeah . 2735.38 IN1005 D MIO023 3 2736.588 2737.234 2736.68 2737.19 Okay . 2737.19 IN1005 A FIO041 0 2736.865 2737.364 2736.96 2737.27 Yeah . 2737.27 IN1005 C MIO043 2 2741.836 2742.27 2741.92 2742.13 Yeah . 2742.13 IN1005 A FIO041 0 2743.423 2744.051 2743.54 2743.9 Mm-mm . 2743.9 IN1005 C MIO043 2 2746.166 2748.494 2746.19 2748.37 'Kay , yeah , thanks . 2746.45 2747.48 2748.37 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2746.1 2753.732 2746.2 2753.66 Okay . Alright , well than thanks for hearing me out and the idea especially . Maybe I can do more with this . Alright . 2747.27 2747.51 2751.19 2753.51 2753.66 IN1005 A FIO041 0 2746.469 2747.125 2746.73 2747.06 'Kay . 2747.06 IN1005 A FIO041 0 2749.427 2750.03 2749.76 2749.89 Mm-mm . 2749.89 IN1005 C MIO043 2 2750.055 2750.896 2750.14 2750.79 Okay , yeah . 2750.62 2750.79 IN1005 D MIO023 3 2752.528 2755.145 2752.528 2755.06 Well in in three months . 2755.06 IN1005 A FIO041 0 2752.64 2756.649 2752.64 2756.649 In two months , yeah . 2755.51 2756.46 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2755.232 2756.544 2755.232 2756.45 Yeah , . 2756.45 2756.45 IN1005 C MIO043 2 2755.237 2760.627 2755.237 2760.627 Well there are lots of good ideas that are recorded and someone will - IN1005 D MIO023 3 2760.736 2769.297 2760.76 2769.297 Oh yeah , it's too late , three months . We should wait . 2761.07 2761.72 2762.4 2768.51 IN1005 C MIO043 2 2763.094 2766.642 2763.16 2766.38 Yeah . Because the data like will be released very soon . 2763.88 2766.38 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2763.047 2763.812 2763.18 2763.63 Yeah , b 2763.53 IN1005 B MIE080 1 2766.255 2769.334 2766.36 2769.21 Bastien , you can't release this data for four months . 2766.72 2769.21 IN1007 A MIO098 0 4.959 20.624 4.98 20.47 So yeah , we put this stuff on so that so that we have some record of the whole thing , what uh are going to say . And uh the whole idea here is says also put the lapel on . 6.26 10.83 14.3 20.47 IN1007 B MIO097 1 21.512 21.992 21.64 21.95 Yep . 21.95 IN1007 A MIO098 0 23.292 66.307 23.4 65.99 Uh the whole idea of this meeting is that it's not me who will be talking all the time . So so that would be a boring that would be definitely boring meeting . Yeah , yeah , yeah . So I so the p the actually the reason why we got together is that it's ab it's about the time to A_ make sure that when Petr leaves us uh I'm afraid it may happen , right . I mean it or did you didn't change your mind yet . Or your girlfriend didn't change your mind . So so that whatever he's whatever he's been doing uh is not uh forgotten and then people can stay on his shoulders and uh I hope that he won't get out entirely out of uh out of uh this problem . But still we we need to continue on this . 27.59 33.05 33.73 34.19 34.84 43.82 44.26 47.49 51.49 63.98 65.99 IN1007 D MIO077 3 27.781 29.869 27.94 29.75 Oh what what is the topic here ? 29.75 IN1007 B MIO097 1 30.966 34.642 31.08 34.642 S so Joel is going to talk . 34.41 IN1007 C MIO106 2 32.592 34.432 32.75 34.432 No I'm going to listen . 34.01 IN1007 D MIO077 3 44.688 51.092 44.83 51.092 Well , I guess so . I couldn't . I would like to change . But I cannot . 45.44 47.18 48.47 49.39 50.73 IN1007 B MIO097 1 44.824 45.472 44.84 45.21 That's mine . 45.21 IN1007 C MIO106 2 66.016 66.543 66.14 66.4 Yeah . 66.4 IN1007 A MIO098 0 66.307 111.934 66.7 111.934 So I think the Joel will be is is my main hope that he's uh he's going to pick up uh the key-word spotting and some of these ideas and also the reason why p uh I p uh uh Petr Motlicek is here is that Joel is also getting interested in uh OPAL models of uh tem temporal envelope . Yeah , and of of course Pet uh Petr for signals . So about it but Petr Motlicek too . Eh both of you you know . So but but but you will be here and from different point of view , eh . Petr Motlicek is working mainly on speech coding . Yeah , and uh so so this is um yeah , I guess this is it . So m I I guess that really you should be talking more than anybody else because you should be asking questions . Yeah . Yeah , I know . So what is it that you need to know . And uh 85.4 85.7 88.09 90.49 91.68 94.84 95.04 97.96 98.22 101.42 102.2 107.51 108.51 108.75 109.54 111.11 IN1007 C MIO106 2 82.585 83.19 82.66 82.98 Yeah . 82.98 IN1007 C MIO106 2 84.328 85.487 84.45 85.41 Yeah . That's true . 84.85 85.41 IN1007 D MIO077 3 89.137 92.777 89.22 92.777 Well I think that I'm more now . Much more than me . Because 91.2 92.1 IN1007 B MIO097 1 91.57 94.393 91.59 94.393 Well , may from different point of view . But 92.27 93.52 IN1007 B MIO097 1 95.086 95.571 95.13 95.29 Yeah . 95.29 IN1007 D MIO077 3 95.039 96.12 95.3 95.87 Oh . Okay . 95.54 95.87 IN1007 C MIO106 2 95.412 97.698 95.46 97.5 Yeah . Speech coding . 96.62 97.5 IN1007 C MIO106 2 102.727 103.284 102.88 103.23 No . 103.23 IN1007 C MIO106 2 104.735 105.183 104.81 105.03 Yeah . 105.03 IN1007 C MIO106 2 106.569 108.506 106.66 108.506 Yeah well that's uh yeah . 108.27 IN1007 B MIO097 1 107.552 108.117 107.63 107.98 Right . 107.98 IN1007 C MIO106 2 109.612 110.452 109.69 110.452 So - IN1007 B MIO097 1 111.236 118.475 111.37 118.475 Let me just tell us so what you know already about uh , I don't know , how far you are with the s features . Or 114.08 114.48 117.97 IN1007 D MIO077 3 115.81 116.243 115.88 116.14 Yeah . 116.14 IN1007 C MIO106 2 116.179 130.543 116.26 130.51 Uh well uh so basically I started reading about the features that's taking the long temporal and uh time frame , that's uh TRAPs . And uh tandem approach . 125.04 127.29 130.51 IN1007 A MIO098 0 126.259 126.677 126.29 126.55 Yeah . 126.55 IN1007 B MIO097 1 131.136 133.555 131.19 133.31 So you know s something like that . 133.31 IN1007 C MIO106 2 131.991 144.805 132.12 144.77 Yeah , s yeah , yeah . So then I also started with the there was a paper on uh fitting a ear model to the D_C_T_ of a signal . Started with that and slowly getting used to the stuff . 132.67 133.41 133.8 142.18 144.77 IN1007 B MIO097 1 145.156 145.68 145.24 145.55 Mm-hmm . 145.55 IN1007 D MIO077 3 145.933 147.172 146.0 147.1 To the D_C_D_ . 147.1 IN1007 C MIO106 2 146.197 146.793 146.24 146.74 S - IN1007 C MIO106 2 147.15 147.748 147.17 147.7 Yeah . 147.7 IN1007 B MIO097 1 148.321 152.934 148.41 152.78 But t what Christos was doing . Right . 152.53 152.78 IN1007 D MIO077 3 148.483 151.588 148.67 151.52 Oh I cannot say it . To the Hilbert envelope you mean , no ? 149.86 151.15 151.52 IN1007 C MIO106 2 149.476 155.663 149.5 155.36 Uh I think yeah , yeah . It's uh the paper by Dan Ellis and co . Yeah . 150.16 150.31 155.0 155.36 IN1007 A MIO098 0 154.444 197.567 154.62 197.45 Oh this were ho how it started basically because that was uh Marios Athineos , yeah , and Dan Ellis . They had a paper , I believe it was not in ICASSP A_S_R_U_ or something , right . It was a A_S_R_U_ but that was a time when they weren't using very long uh uh uh d uh segments . It was like fifty millisecond or something what they were playing with at the time . Yeah , I know . So then i the story was that then uh Marios presented that at so some meeting and we realised oh , that might be cute thing uh for uh estimating uh spectral energies . Because that's what we want . And we'll the the way we've uh we are doing it is kind of I think it works , but it's little bit inelegant . 159.05 159.32 160.74 161.94 165.82 166.16 174.7 178.43 178.61 179.61 185.87 190.31 191.49 195.89 197.45 IN1007 D MIO077 3 156.239 156.871 156.3 156.73 Yeah , yeah . 156.49 156.73 IN1007 B MIO097 1 156.735 157.275 156.83 157.05 Yeah . 157.05 IN1007 C MIO106 2 158.407 158.964 158.6 158.88 Yeah . 158.88 IN1007 C MIO106 2 160.317 160.941 160.43 160.76 Yeah . 160.76 IN1007 C MIO106 2 163.336 168.491 163.45 168.36 A_S_R_U_ . Two thousand four I guess , yeah . Two thousand three , yeah . 165.11 166.92 167.27 168.16 168.36 IN1007 B MIO097 1 167.058 167.723 167.22 167.43 Mm-hmm . 167.43 IN1007 D MIO077 3 174.185 174.983 174.33 174.75 Yeah , okay . 174.51 174.75 IN1007 C MIO106 2 174.221 174.803 174.35 174.63 Yeah . 174.63 IN1007 C MIO106 2 176.486 177.859 176.51 177.7 Okay . Yeah , yeah . 177.31 177.58 177.7 IN1007 D MIO077 3 176.932 177.805 176.99 177.57 Yeah , yeah , yeah . 177.12 177.21 177.57 IN1007 C MIO106 2 180.622 181.256 180.64 181.256 So for - IN1007 C MIO106 2 184.535 185.057 184.57 184.9 Yeah . 184.9 IN1007 C MIO106 2 189.994 190.909 189.994 190.909 . 190.909 IN1007 A MIO098 0 197.567 238.443 197.567 238.23 somehow stupid , so so first do the frame by based uh estimate , and then you you get stick to hundred hertz sampling , ten millisecond sampling or uh something , and then you just pick up the trajectory . So so Marios was here for half a year maybe or even more uh , and uh started work with Petr who also j just came . So they were working little bit together , mainly M Marios was uh programming in MATLAB and Petr was putting it into fancy is yeah and uh but uh and but then we were hoping uh uh uh th to pick up on that little bit more , and we we did , right ? You did a little bit of work . Yeah . 200.27 203.15 206.54 208.82 211.27 216.98 219.6 221.21 235.24 235.96 236.18 238.09 238.23 IN1007 C MIO106 2 197.586 199.482 197.7 199.31 Mm-hmm . Yeah . 198.94 199.31 IN1007 B MIO097 1 198.44 198.943 198.5 198.75 Mm-hmm . 198.75 IN1007 D MIO077 3 215.878 216.768 216.19 216.66 Why that ? 216.66 IN1007 D MIO077 3 218.048 219.071 218.19 218.77 I don't think so . 218.77 IN1007 C MIO106 2 219.105 219.701 219.48 219.6 Mm-hmm . 219.6 IN1007 D MIO077 3 224.831 229.105 225.0 228.99 Yeah , I just re-wrote in in C_ plus plus . I didn't do us so much on that . 225.23 227.38 228.99 IN1007 D MIO077 3 237.29 267.227 237.47 267.227 Well , we we tried uh many knobs to tune on th on that . Because you can decide what compression factor and everything . So I tried a little bit like um pick maybe three knobs and try to go through the three D_ three D_ cage to see what happens in which which kind of settings . So this we did . But we we didn't because there was still a question that I don't remember right now . Because there was some essential question 237.93 241.33 244.46 255.43 257.33 264.06 IN1007 C MIO106 2 241.355 242.145 241.45 241.83 Okay . 241.83 IN1007 C MIO106 2 254.356 254.946 254.59 254.8 Mm-hmm . 254.8 IN1007 A MIO098 0 257.242 261.71 257.31 261.47 Hmm . And we never published that anywhere , right ? Huh . Yeah . 258.21 259.65 260.02 261.02 261.47 IN1007 D MIO077 3 267.227 296.182 267.88 296.182 I I don't remember , I would have to look at it f and because be before I wou before I we could u we could write anything I I would be have to be sure that something is right there . I couldn't be sure about it at the time . So and anyway , it it takes time , this this computation . It's it's very inefficient . It takes like hundred times more than computing some M_F_C_C_s computing these features , because it's uh huge D_C_T_ , huge F_F_T_ everywhere . And 268.8 280.01 282.42 283.95 285.0 286.1 287.84 292.07 294.14 295.54 IN1007 A MIO098 0 269.014 270.382 269.19 270.25 Yeah . 270.25 IN1007 C MIO106 2 272.376 272.884 272.42 272.68 Yeah . 272.68 IN1007 A MIO098 0 281.52 282.452 281.52 282.3 . Yeah . 281.52 282.3 IN1007 C MIO106 2 283.541 284.212 283.62 284.1 Yeah . 284.1 IN1007 C MIO106 2 295.547 296.162 295.64 296.12 Yeah . 296.12 IN1007 A MIO098 0 296.194 301.75 296.28 301.55 We were also doing a serious thing that we were stepping it by ten millisecond , right ? At the time . 299.85 300.85 301.55 IN1007 D MIO077 3 300.815 311.309 300.815 311.09 Yeah . There is no optimisation . We just stick to the TRAP . We wanted to make as close to TRAP as is possible , which is silly , but that w you have to start somewhere . Yeah . 301.77 302.99 304.66 307.18 307.85 310.82 311.09 IN1007 A MIO098 0 302.855 304.546 302.98 304.44 Right . Yeah . 304.2 304.44 IN1007 A MIO098 0 306.163 306.758 306.25 306.59 Right . 306.59 IN1007 B MIO097 1 307.068 307.65 307.12 307.56 Mm-hmm . 307.56 IN1007 A MIO098 0 309.168 310.798 309.19 310.69 That was a reasonable start , yeah . 310.39 310.69 IN1007 C MIO106 2 310.767 328.1 310.87 328.07 Yeah . So then I continued with uh another uh paper that you are mentioning , L_P_ TRAP . So I just moving around with that ideas . And also uh the main idea today why I told maybe is like if you can list down what all things are there to be taken care of . Then one by one . Because finally face find I do have something else . 311.13 314.47 315.6 317.76 324.58 325.46 328.07 IN1007 D MIO077 3 314.385 316.848 314.385 335.37 . 335.304 IN1007 A MIO098 0 324.128 324.533 324.15 324.37 Yeah . 324.37 IN1007 C MIO106 2 329.924 337.955 329.94 337.84 So uh maybe to list down the things other than the what I've already taken from you . And also to discuss generally . 336.31 337.84 IN1007 D MIO077 3 335.304 335.888 335.37 335.85 Y okay . 335.85 IN1007 D MIO077 3 338.649 353.543 338.77 353.41 So so what well , last time we we were s talking about what , about Gaussians ? You you have the Gaussians running somehow . Like feature extraction . And then the tandem training c also , so the you are able to train the net now . 339.95 343.44 344.18 346.95 348.31 351.41 353.41 IN1007 C MIO106 2 346.88 351.311 346.94 351.24 Yeah . Yeah . Feature extraction . Part tandem training . 347.86 348.1 349.25 351.24 IN1007 A MIO098 0 353.258 401.417 353.31 401.34 So you may be the only one in the whole world now . Because uh because Chi Fong is gone and uh and uh Barry is gone . So Morgan was joking no what he informed me they are gone from ICSI . Uh Chi Fong went to T_I_ and uh and uh uh uh B Barry is at Lawrence Livermore lab . He basically got a job . He he graduated . And he's he'll be working on things which he cannot talk about . He can't even say it on a microphone here I heard . It's uh i yeah , it's classified work typically . It's and so so jo Morgan was h only half joking . He was s somebody was asking him you were or so s or somebody was asking him something . Uh or there was uh there was uh Matthew and he said well , probably we'll be coming to ask you because nobody really knows anymore at ICSI . So please stay . 355.5 361.05 364.93 370.91 372.25 373.95 377.38 380.35 381.06 382.37 386.54 391.25 395.13 400.38 401.34 IN1007 D MIO077 3 359.172 363.159 359.43 363.1 No . No so they are going from ICSI ? 359.95 363.1 IN1007 D MIO077 3 367.882 368.556 367.94 368.24 Huh . 368.24 IN1007 D MIO077 3 373.937 374.66 374.07 374.44 Yeah . 374.44 IN1007 D MIO077 3 380.098 381.088 380.2 381.088 Eh ? 380.43 IN1007 C MIO106 2 400.389 400.762 400.41 400.63 'Kay . 400.63 IN1007 D MIO077 3 400.512 407.829 400.84 407.829 But who who is the one who who is now developing the Quicknet and these things ? The the M_L_P_ four and these things . Because it's 404.94 407.33 IN1007 A MIO098 0 406.267 423.35 406.46 423.1 Uh th nobody . That was Barry . And now it's uh cl close histo actually Brno is doing a a lot of that now . They picked up the software and they play with the and nets . So that might be that Brno will be at the soonest as uh a ultimate expert on on the whole thing . 407.43 408.32 412.77 416.93 423.1 IN1007 D MIO077 3 409.341 410.478 409.44 410.27 It was Barry ? 410.27 IN1007 B MIO097 1 413.129 413.819 413.29 413.68 Yeah . 413.68 IN1007 D MIO077 3 413.181 414.33 413.29 413.97 Ah , I see . 413.79 413.97 IN1007 D MIO077 3 417.353 418.407 417.58 418.29 I see . 418.29 IN1007 D MIO077 3 422.124 427.577 422.25 427.577 Well still we have the experts who who made the software on here , you know . Olivier Bornet and 425.35 425.6 IN1007 A MIO098 0 427.348 434.895 427.5 434.75 N n where which software ? No , they ne Quicknet was done uh uh well Quicknet itself was done actually long time ago at ICSI . 428.92 429.06 434.75 IN1007 D MIO077 3 429.216 450.065 429.36 449.88 Uh Quicknet training . Yeah . Yes , but Olivier make it run on on these machines and make the uh cross the two G_ barrier here at IDIAP . Because we couldn't we couldn't do something , I don't know what . But he is he is no good in Quicknet , right , I s I guess . Yeah . 431.97 433.69 434.06 441.76 444.18 444.73 447.22 447.38 449.53 449.88 IN1007 A MIO098 0 437.88 438.632 437.92 438.58 Is that so ? 438.58 IN1007 A MIO098 0 440.94 441.457 441.02 441.28 Group ? 441.28 IN1007 B MIO097 1 444.998 447.035 445.12 446.97 What yeah , yeah . 446.55 446.97 IN1007 A MIO098 0 447.088 451.008 447.11 451.008 Okay . So we h have to treat him well . 447.48 450.32 IN1007 C MIO106 2 449.498 450.138 449.498 449.498 . 449.498 IN1007 D MIO077 3 451.936 453.72 451.96 453.72 Um okay . So so 452.99 IN1007 C MIO106 2 452.415 475.411 452.47 475.36 So yeah , right now I have the feature extraction part where I can get the phoneme posteriors and through the neural net . So then I think I need yeah . Yeah , i yeah , but uh yeah , it's T_K_ through for some other task I've run it's T_K_ . So I have the general feel . But uh maybe I can take the interceptor from you and run it once on my to have it . 453.01 459.68 463.14 463.39 464.88 465.48 468.61 470.68 475.36 IN1007 D MIO077 3 456.822 465.156 456.822 464.99 ? Right . So you just miss the back-end , which is easy because it's H_T_K_ , it's everyone knows here . 456.822 459.76 461.63 463.44 464.99 IN1007 D MIO077 3 469.353 469.989 469.43 469.91 Okay . 469.91 IN1007 D MIO077 3 474.893 486.572 475.03 486.52 Yeah , okay . A and you you just need from us to hear w what are the other p front-ends and other features to to choose or something . 475.37 476.76 486.52 IN1007 C MIO106 2 484.168 485.108 484.22 485.108 Yeah . So 484.61 IN1007 C MIO106 2 486.588 491.708 486.66 491.708 Yeah . Basically . So then I can can share what I ca have read and uh 487.17 488.17 IN1007 A MIO098 0 491.7 496.948 491.77 496.948 Well the whole idea then is that then you start playing with it , right ? And you yeah , and 494.17 494.71 496.5 IN1007 C MIO106 2 494.443 496.122 494.54 496.04 Yeah . Yes . 495.63 496.04 IN1007 D MIO077 3 498.624 502.8 498.7 502.8 Okay , so how do we do it ? Shou shou should I list it ? Or 499.38 500.94 502.26 IN1007 C MIO106 2 501.344 503.589 501.9 503.589 So I'll use this . Yeah , the 503.01 503.26 IN1007 A MIO098 0 502.816 504.33 502.89 504.33 Maybe that might be the - IN1007 C MIO106 2 505.352 512.745 505.55 512.64 Let's do the feature extraction that we have already taken , then the back-end for that . Then ? Yeah . 508.66 511.32 512.22 512.64 IN1007 D MIO077 3 509.808 547.011 509.91 546.85 Yeah . Well , uh like I I d I distinguish between feature extraction and then the M_L_P_ . Because see you feed something to the M_L_P_ which are not the waves . So so well and that's that's what I call it . And then the back-end . But okay . Well so what what I have here , what I've been working on since I was here was M_F_C_C_ P_L_P_ , which is always needed for compressing purposes . Then TRAPs with w various lengths . And also uh you know TRAPs now ? 511.55 512.63 517.35 520.37 523.25 524.49 526.51 529.05 534.13 537.41 544.27 546.85 IN1007 C MIO106 2 519.533 522.779 519.59 522.73 Yeah . Okay . Uh so yeah . . 520.34 520.66 522.73 522.73 IN1007 C MIO106 2 524.415 524.963 524.45 524.74 Yeah . 524.74 IN1007 C MIO106 2 536.808 537.506 536.86 537.43 Yeah . 537.43 IN1007 C MIO106 2 546.638 548.95 546.75 548.9 Yeah . Traps I know . But though with various ? 547.03 547.58 548.9 IN1007 D MIO077 3 548.952 580.995 549.08 580.9 With var various lengths we were trying to to start them from from on the ultimate length of one one uh frame up to one second or even more . But it was mm so this . Also w then we apply the D_C_T_ on the TRAP itself , which is some something like the Gaussians . Applying some filt filtering . Basically the TRAP . So this . But this is mainly Franta who was doing this . 561.26 565.07 570.48 573.99 576.0 577.92 578.68 580.9 IN1007 C MIO106 2 551.092 552.231 551.15 552.09 Okay . Length . Ah . 551.48 551.85 552.09 IN1007 C MIO106 2 557.012 557.802 557.06 557.68 Okay . 557.68 IN1007 A MIO098 0 558.853 559.685 558.87 559.53 On frame . Oh . 559.33 559.53 IN1007 C MIO106 2 558.908 559.573 558.93 559.5 Frame . 559.5 IN1007 C MIO106 2 573.635 574.184 573.7 574.09 Okay . 574.09 IN1007 C MIO106 2 575.643 576.612 575.82 576.57 Filtering , yeah . 576.32 576.57 IN1007 C MIO106 2 580.964 581.571 581.12 581.42 Mm-hmm . 581.42 IN1007 D MIO077 3 582.601 635.278 582.67 635.08 So this is related to TRAPs . I was also trying the warping . Means if you have a second um which is uh a hundred and one samples , I was just keeping the central ten ten samples . And then I was throwing away some some of them , you know . Like with sampling this this uh one second of the TRAP to something which I which I uh preserved all the points in the centre and just uh picked every tenth point at the boundaries , which means the TRAP uh hundred and one TRAP trajectory shrank to say fifteen points with uh with still preserving the maximum resolution at the centre and throwing away most of the points near the boundary . So this I was trying . So these I have some results on . So these are TRAPs . Then the Gauss TRAPs . Then tandem system . 584.03 586.4 591.66 595.09 598.21 599.08 612.3 624.44 626.54 629.78 631.0 633.33 635.08 IN1007 C MIO106 2 586.064 586.688 586.09 586.61 Okay . 586.61 IN1007 C MIO106 2 588.235 588.95 588.28 588.73 Yeah . 588.73 IN1007 C MIO106 2 602.74 603.322 602.87 603.17 Mm-hmm . 603.17 IN1007 C MIO106 2 611.988 612.611 612.07 612.5 Mm-hmm . 612.5 IN1007 C MIO106 2 617.188 617.753 617.26 617.6 Okay . 617.6 IN1007 C MIO106 2 624.442 625.113 624.442 625.113 . 625.113 IN1007 C MIO106 2 632.41 633.0 632.46 632.85 Okay . 632.85 IN1007 C MIO106 2 635.248 635.658 635.27 635.62 Okay . 635.62 IN1007 D MIO077 3 638.368 690.887 638.41 690.73 Uh the tandem you plus minus half . Because that's that's just a P_L_P_s . And then there is a training uh with M_L_P_ that's taking some context of these P_L_P_ coefficients . So it's like feeding the P_L_ uh P_L_P_s or M_F_C_s , w whatever to M_L_P_ and taking some context . This is the tandem . So this set-up we also have here . I didn't experiment with this . But maybe you some more results oh it's Hemant who has the results on tandem I guess , no ? Yeah , yeah . Right . Yeah . But uh I think the uh I think the most important results are already in the thesis he's writing . So so is there some somewhere . So this is tandem . Uh then uh then what ? And then there is the F_D_L_P_ . Then we can talk more about . 641.64 644.07 650.84 654.78 657.77 658.73 660.61 662.84 668.29 670.09 670.66 672.64 673.9 674.12 680.24 682.41 684.2 686.95 688.8 690.73 IN1007 C MIO106 2 643.695 644.443 643.78 644.17 Okay . 644.17 IN1007 C MIO106 2 647.12 647.603 647.14 647.53 Okay . 647.53 IN1007 C MIO106 2 650.446 651.045 650.55 650.88 Uh-huh . 650.88 IN1007 C MIO106 2 654.082 654.689 654.26 654.59 Mm-hmm . 654.59 IN1007 C MIO106 2 660.361 661.034 660.45 660.87 Okay . 660.87 IN1007 C MIO106 2 667.869 668.476 667.95 668.29 Okay . 668.29 IN1007 A MIO098 0 668.466 677.54 668.61 677.54 He used to have before he lost all the data . But he will have it again . 674.58 676.85 IN1007 B MIO097 1 671.483 677.8 671.483 677.8 We shouldn't smile . 677.51 IN1007 C MIO106 2 672.374 673.164 672.43 673.07 It's alright . 673.07 IN1007 A MIO098 0 680.046 680.906 680.046 680.78 . Yeah . 680.046 680.78 IN1007 C MIO106 2 689.336 691.2 689.52 691.14 Yeah . Yeah , that's ri 690.25 690.59 IN1007 D MIO077 3 693.756 702.458 693.87 702.458 Which is which I have more experiments on . Also this warping and compressions and all these things . So 697.93 702.18 IN1007 C MIO106 2 696.779 697.428 696.98 697.35 Yeah . 697.35 IN1007 B MIO097 1 701.294 701.934 701.42 701.82 Right . 701.82 IN1007 C MIO106 2 701.987 705.778 702.01 705.71 So compression basically you are looking at I guess , yeah . 705.5 705.71 IN1007 B MIO097 1 704.979 759.605 705.09 759.605 Yeah . Yeah , but I'm using that for different different reason , right . So it's uh speech coding . So uh what is the task is usual just take the speech of course somehow to encode it into as as small number of beat as possible and with a reasonable quality of course . And again to e uh decode it . And I'm using F_D_L_P_ for that , still playing with uh more less one second long segments . So just dividing the speech into one s one second frames doing D_C_T_ . It's just the standard wor of work . And then doing some compression and computation of yeah , yeah yeah , sh oh , yeah . But you are doing the same , no ? Yeah b yeah yeah you take the the D_C_T_ and you just divide it into several sub-bands , frequency bands with a different uh 705.73 705.9 709.09 709.35 710.59 723.87 726.24 729.17 732.52 738.68 741.63 747.49 747.82 748.43 748.74 749.84 751.23 756.64 IN1007 C MIO106 2 709.097 711.187 709.44 710.96 Mm-hmm . Coding . 710.65 710.96 IN1007 C MIO106 2 718.13 719.161 718.13 719.0 . Yeah . 718.13 719.0 IN1007 C MIO106 2 725.718 726.3 725.76 726.15 Okay . 726.15 IN1007 C MIO106 2 727.948 728.621 728.03 728.41 Uh-huh . 728.41 IN1007 C MIO106 2 732.368 732.876 732.44 732.79 Uh-huh . 732.79 IN1007 C MIO106 2 736.695 738.928 736.76 738.75 Okay . Uh-huh . 738.39 738.75 IN1007 D MIO077 3 744.814 746.975 745.12 746.81 Well it's bil still sub-bands , no ? 746.57 746.81 IN1007 D MIO077 3 750.448 754.366 750.59 754.18 Well yeah . But that you just didn't talk about any sub-band so far . 751.43 754.18 IN1007 C MIO106 2 754.277 754.799 754.44 754.72 Okay . 754.72 IN1007 C MIO106 2 756.653 757.202 756.73 757.15 Mm-hmm . 757.15 IN1007 D MIO077 3 759.637 771.167 759.8 771.11 And by the way , you don't do the overlap on the sub-bands , no ? Or you do ? Yeah , but you don't do the overlap on the time domain ? You said somethi yeah . Okay , so that's the difference . 760.78 762.88 763.61 765.43 765.54 767.7 769.4 769.87 771.11 IN1007 C MIO106 2 763.461 765.041 763.56 764.56 No , that's for compression . 763.72 764.56 IN1007 B MIO097 1 763.477 766.02 763.58 766.02 I d I do . You mean 765.45 IN1007 B MIO097 1 767.634 769.25 767.78 769.14 No , no , no . No . I don't do . 767.95 768.05 768.3 768.74 769.14 IN1007 C MIO106 2 769.746 773.273 769.83 773.22 I don't need for for compression you basically don't need the . 773.22 IN1007 B MIO097 1 772.022 825.569 772.16 825.46 Yeah , just one second with without overlapping . But in frequency domain there is a overlap . Because you can choose which filters you want , more less , or just trajectories of those bands . So there is overlapping . I'm using those Gaussian filters or classical those those TRAPet trapezoidal like in uh M_F_C_C_s , right . And then processing each f yeah , P_L_P_s . Okay , tr triangulars . That one . Then I'm doing s doing uh independent processing of each frequency band . So I'm computing that Hilbert envelope , which is just the envelope of some temporal trajectory . And more or less you can divide this into a Hilbert envelope , Hilb Hilbert carrier . We use something like L_P_ , a linear prediction envelope . Auto-regressive model and excitation signal . 772.3 774.54 778.08 780.28 781.07 783.67 784.96 793.72 794.8 796.71 799.21 799.59 800.52 801.51 806.69 809.25 813.64 816.71 817.84 820.15 822.47 825.46 IN1007 C MIO106 2 780.05 780.673 780.14 780.48 Yeah . 780.48 IN1007 D MIO077 3 787.342 787.938 787.47 787.82 Hmm . 787.82 IN1007 C MIO106 2 791.428 792.068 791.56 791.9 Mm-hmm . 791.9 IN1007 C MIO106 2 793.524 795.912 793.63 795.84 Mm-hmm . And P_L_P_ . 794.73 795.84 IN1007 D MIO077 3 795.292 796.075 795.44 795.95 P_L_P_s . 795.95 IN1007 D MIO077 3 797.537 798.988 797.63 798.9 M_F_C_C_ or triangles ? 798.9 IN1007 C MIO106 2 798.398 800.32 798.49 799.85 Triangle . Uh yeah . 798.96 799.85 IN1007 D MIO077 3 802.151 802.746 802.24 802.61 Okay . 802.61 IN1007 C MIO106 2 805.775 806.374 805.87 806.23 Mm-hmm . 806.23 IN1007 C MIO106 2 808.861 809.485 809.0 809.34 Okay . 809.34 IN1007 C MIO106 2 811.177 812.366 811.27 812.26 The speech signal , yeah . 812.02 812.26 IN1007 C MIO106 2 822.191 822.765 822.3 822.62 Mm-hmm . 822.62 IN1007 C MIO106 2 825.254 825.802 825.33 825.66 Mm-hmm . 825.66 IN1007 B MIO097 1 825.569 863.848 826.04 863.8 Yeah , so those are two parts or items you need somehow to encode if you want again to get original speech or reasonable quality . And yeah , there is some compression factor , which is again when you're computing that auto-regressive model from F_D_L_P_ . You can compress the spectrum somehow in in such a way that you rather um preserve those even also those dips , not only peaks in the spectrum . And it sounds better for some kind of speech signals . 826.25 836.23 836.91 839.13 845.68 856.06 859.32 863.8 IN1007 C MIO106 2 830.93 831.595 831.05 831.54 Okay . 831.54 IN1007 C MIO106 2 833.733 835.795 833.84 835.62 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 835.34 835.62 IN1007 C MIO106 2 843.004 843.603 843.11 843.44 Mm-hmm . 843.44 IN1007 C MIO106 2 856.948 857.521 857.06 857.41 Mm-hmm . 857.41 IN1007 C MIO106 2 858.477 858.925 858.55 858.87 Okay . 858.87 IN1007 C MIO106 2 860.706 861.296 860.79 861.23 Mm-hmm . 861.23 IN1007 D MIO077 3 861.669 866.793 861.77 866.56 So you know about this compression , how how does it why it's okay . I just don't know . 863.71 865.87 866.56 IN1007 C MIO106 2 864.074 865.787 864.16 865.7 Yeah , yeah . Yeah . 864.53 865.47 865.7 IN1007 A MIO098 0 865.855 874.319 865.855 874.05 knows more than than than I do . S so that's good . 872.67 874.05 IN1007 D MIO077 3 869.674 873.199 869.78 873.13 Ah he's new . He's he's doing you most of the things . 870.62 873.13 IN1007 B MIO097 1 871.404 893.487 871.404 893.487 So it's kind of logarithm when you use logarithm for M_F_C_C_s , right . So it's again compression factor , something like th and but then you have to uncompress it again of course to get back the speech . And there other other things which I'm doing . But it's not related to speech recognition so much , or but 877.02 877.27 878.78 885.51 889.25 892.46 IN1007 C MIO106 2 876.981 877.578 877.06 877.5 Yeah . 877.5 IN1007 C MIO106 2 881.733 882.382 881.84 882.15 Mm-hmm . 882.15 IN1007 C MIO106 2 888.132 888.714 888.21 888.58 Mm-hmm . 888.58 IN1007 D MIO077 3 888.948 889.585 889.06 889.585 So - IN1007 D MIO077 3 892.337 893.381 892.8 893.07 Okay . 893.07 IN1007 A MIO098 0 892.725 902.871 892.84 902.81 But certainly when it comes to like uh the the OPAL modelling of temporal trajectories , even pe Petr Fousek is not here , you probably know a lot about it by now . 897.84 899.69 902.81 IN1007 D MIO077 3 903.217 905.419 903.34 905.3 Well what ? 905.3 IN1007 B MIO097 1 903.413 903.978 903.55 903.978 Well - IN1007 A MIO098 0 904.957 908.661 905.06 908.63 No . That uh uh ap approximating Hilbert envelope by OPAL model . 905.29 908.63 IN1007 B MIO097 1 906.857 907.913 906.95 907.7 Right , right . 907.44 907.7 IN1007 D MIO077 3 908.833 914.073 908.97 914.073 I what ? I I d yeah . Well the beginning of the 910.61 912.72 IN1007 A MIO098 0 910.463 924.804 910.57 924.66 I a v a V_L_P_ . Uh as as I say when you when you are not here , that that Petr Motlicek knows enough about it too , because same ap yeah , different uh application , different uh different software or something . 911.87 914.34 917.39 920.16 921.69 924.66 IN1007 B MIO097 1 912.866 922.885 912.94 922.83 Well , it's yeah . Sure , sure , I know . I mean it's more or less the same approach , right . There is m uh just more right , right , right . 913.16 915.13 915.64 915.91 916.29 919.14 919.38 922.28 922.52 922.83 IN1007 D MIO077 3 916.27 918.362 916.33 918.22 Oh yeah . Sure , sure , sure , sure . Okay . 916.96 917.19 917.43 917.62 917.99 918.22 IN1007 D MIO077 3 920.174 922.244 920.37 922.06 Yeah . Okay . 921.62 922.06 IN1007 C MIO106 2 924.096 924.755 924.27 924.63 Yeah . 924.63 IN1007 D MIO077 3 924.125 950.77 924.31 950.72 So um just they in th um in the speech uh re-synthesis or coding , what you're doing , um did you try to to play with the knobs somewhere . Like uh many uh uh v widths ? I m no no . The compression number of bands and lengths of the so what you what you were playing with and what other result ? Like what to use so that it sounds the best ? 929.75 931.3 935.05 937.18 938.07 947.4 950.72 IN1007 B MIO097 1 929.635 930.225 929.71 930.16 Yeah . 930.16 IN1007 B MIO097 1 934.929 935.611 935.04 935.49 With what ? 935.49 IN1007 B MIO097 1 940.38 943.769 940.45 943.769 Yeah yeah . Sure . Number of bands and 940.9 942.13 IN1007 B MIO097 1 948.425 986.85 948.55 986.51 You know , that's the problem for speech coding . Because I don't have results like in speech recognition . So of course I have to listen it and and s well so now what I'm using are fifteen bands , which seems to me fit fifteen frequency band , which seems to me quite reasonable . We can go down till like twelve and still okay I would say . But then you start hearing difference . Or also that's another problem . Once you can go down with frequency bands , then you will have much uh more c uh complicated data . Uh let's say excitation signal , or that carrier which yeah because broad bands , right . 948.83 950.55 953.52 961.09 963.39 965.2 969.13 971.45 973.13 975.56 978.94 980.89 985.95 986.51 IN1007 D MIO077 3 953.288 958.432 953.4 958.432 Yeah , o of course you you listen to it yourself . I d I'm fine with that . Because 953.65 956.2 957.19 IN1007 D MIO077 3 966.352 966.859 966.44 966.73 Yeah . 966.73 IN1007 D MIO077 3 971.438 972.109 971.54 972.01 Okay . 972.01 IN1007 D MIO077 3 972.822 973.53 973.18 973.53 But - IN1007 D MIO077 3 982.157 983.163 982.18 983.06 If you go down ? 983.06 IN1007 C MIO106 2 983.247 984.141 983.29 984.141 Yeah . Because 983.56 IN1007 A MIO098 0 983.204 992.589 983.3 992.46 If if you make a b broader bands . Because when the band is narrow , the c excitation is close the carrier is close to s sinusoid basically , co-sinusoid . 985.87 987.73 991.74 992.46 IN1007 B MIO097 1 991.714 999.727 991.84 999.727 Yeah , maybe like that . No ? So there is more and more s uh frequency components let's say or something like that in one broad band . So 992.27 993.43 993.58 999.15 IN1007 D MIO077 3 993.914 994.771 994.35 994.54 I see . 994.54 IN1007 D MIO077 3 998.477 1005.051 998.64 1004.96 So so you won't say that the L_P_C_ is not able to fit it so that the residual was easy ? 1004.96 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1003.577 1014.696 1003.72 1014.696 No . L_P_C_ will maybe . But then you have still another part , sometime something like a source and a filter . So when you are doing speech coding or 1004.22 1006.0 1008.17 1011.84 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1013.927 1022.687 1014.18 1022.687 You may almost want to dis uh um i b uh uh uh yeah , uh b use the white-board , I mean uh and uh that's why we have it here , right , so that 1017.28 1018.65 1021.06 1022.05 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1016.009 1019.955 1016.09 1019.8 Yeah , use maybe you can use the board for that , yeah . 1016.29 1019.51 1019.8 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1017.598 1021.851 1017.598 1021.79 Yeah . Why ? 1021.32 1021.79 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1019.918 1021.024 1020.19 1020.81 Will be hero . 1020.81 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1022.996 1026.081 1023.24 1026.05 Can we remove this when you are going to this place ? 1026.05 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1026.226 1030.72 1026.226 1030.69 I don't think so . I think no , we are wired . 1028.21 1029.7 1030.69 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1026.387 1028.085 1026.48 1027.88 I don't know now . It's quite long . 1027.14 1027.88 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1026.452 1029.171 1026.66 1029.171 I don't think so . No , no , no , no . are not supposed 1027.51 1027.7 1027.89 1028.06 1028.22 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1028.025 1028.398 1028.08 1028.27 Oh . 1028.27 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1029.732 1038.621 1029.93 1038.53 Well I mean it's it's the same like when you are doing L_P_ L_P_ synthesis , right . So you've got source signal . I don't know . Source . 1034.14 1034.38 1037.41 1037.9 1038.53 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1039.422 1043.621 1039.55 1043.621 I think you have to push it push it as much as possible because it reacts to the - IN1007 A MIO098 0 1040.165 1040.917 1040.29 1040.917 Except - IN1007 B MIO097 1 1039.985 1040.434 1040.3 1040.434 Uh - IN1007 B MIO097 1 1042.114 1047.454 1042.23 1047.38 Yeah . And then there is some filter , which is that one divided by A_ Z_ . 1043.53 1045.22 1047.38 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1049.548 1060.066 1049.62 1059.93 And that's and that's it . And the source can be a noise signal or it can be some uh sequence of uh what is that ? Pulses , right . 1050.9 1059.02 1059.65 1059.93 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1058.407 1063.17 1058.5 1063.14 Pulses . This is L_P_ . This is a standard time domain L_P_ , right ? 1060.37 1060.94 1062.76 1063.14 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1058.753 1059.909 1058.8 1059.7 Periodic pulse , yeah . 1059.54 1059.7 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1060.557 1061.164 1060.7 1060.99 Yeah . 1060.99 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1061.722 1075.0 1061.84 1074.74 This is yeah . So and it's more less or less the same what I'm doing . So this is some envelope , which is in our case related to Hilbert envelope . And this is a source signal which is Hilbert carrier . 1063.98 1066.45 1067.98 1071.52 1074.74 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1063.416 1063.857 1063.49 1063.7 Yeah . 1063.7 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1074.382 1101.854 1074.63 1101.854 But since you are in a different domain , this is he here we are in time domain , right . But but you are you are really in a frequency domain . So it uh the line's turning to into sines , right . And you p and since this this I mean because this thi this this spectrum is al has also line spectrum , right . I mean all components . So if you are then if we are in a frequency , th your source looks like this . And 1076.48 1078.29 1078.56 1081.73 1085.91 1086.88 1094.2 1094.41 1095.87 1098.44 1101.44 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1074.838 1075.952 1074.86 1075.952 But this is uh - IN1007 B MIO097 1 1078.675 1079.24 1078.79 1079.13 Right . 1079.13 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1086.477 1091.083 1086.6 1091.01 Right . Exactly . Yeah . So this is now going to be frequency . 1087.63 1088.13 1088.34 1091.01 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1086.742 1087.981 1086.98 1087.76 Oh which lines ? 1087.76 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1088.948 1089.405 1089.0 1089.22 Yeah . 1089.22 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1090.989 1095.148 1091.18 1094.92 Yeah . Okay , okay , okay , okay , okay . Mm-hmm . 1091.39 1091.93 1092.21 1092.48 1092.77 1094.59 1094.92 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1099.892 1139.678 1099.99 1139.678 Yeah . So more or less if we uh can we can plot it . So what we can see is some Hilbert envelope like this . And then there is that Hilbert carrier . Or this not Hilbert carrier . But this is the signal which we get from one di one frequency band . So you compute D_C_T_ , right , from signal ? Yeah yeah , exactly . And what we get from that is this Hilbert envelope , right . And the second , which should be that carrier should be something like this . It's just really close to cosine we m we might see if we do it do it properly , right . And this is what you also have to somehow transmit , or at least try to transmit in order to get 1100.22 1102.44 1106.59 1108.8 1110.2 1115.51 1116.42 1116.68 1118.17 1118.56 1119.91 1122.52 1123.66 1124.53 1128.17 1132.84 1133.3 1136.22 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1104.471 1105.627 1104.55 1105.37 I see what you mean . 1105.37 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1116.71 1119.94 1116.92 1119.94 This is the sub-band time signal . It's 1119.71 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1118.209 1119.974 1118.46 1119.93 It's uh yeah , right . 1119.6 1119.93 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1122.706 1123.583 1122.73 1123.45 So you know that . 1123.45 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1123.638 1124.32 1123.82 1124.08 Yeah . 1124.08 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1125.228 1126.966 1125.228 1126.82 I see . 1126.82 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1131.584 1132.399 1131.68 1132.399 Okay . So 1131.94 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1136.466 1137.031 1136.58 1136.97 Mm-hmm . 1136.97 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1139.122 1155.837 1139.16 1155.77 I see . I was thinking the residual in L_P_C_ fit of the Hilbert envelope , not this . I was not thinking of this at all before , you know . 'Cause there are three things . First you have to encode this , then the L_P_C_ coefficients and the residual after L_P_C_ fit if you like . 1139.74 1143.05 1143.53 1145.89 1147.03 1148.77 1150.6 1155.77 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1139.177 1140.388 1139.33 1140.388 And this is where - IN1007 B MIO097 1 1145.956 1146.688 1146.03 1146.61 Right , right . 1146.31 1146.61 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1152.473 1152.988 1152.55 1152.85 Right . 1152.85 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1154.869 1159.897 1154.96 1159.83 No , I don't need L_P_C_ . No , no . This is a residual for me . 1155.14 1156.88 1157.43 1158.65 1159.83 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1157.166 1162.076 1157.25 1161.95 This is like a residual for him . Yeah , in the for uh frequency it is . 1159.49 1159.9 1161.95 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1157.275 1158.298 1157.38 1158.298 Oh you don't - IN1007 D MIO077 3 1160.669 1162.149 1160.87 1161.99 This is the residual ? 1161.99 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1162.006 1178.634 1162.006 1178.5 Yeah , I'm just wan I just want to transmit this signal right . It's and what you need is this envelope and this one carrier . And you again get the same signal , this this this shape , doing I_D_C_T_ . Putting everything together . 1162.66 1165.82 1171.55 1173.1 1175.9 1177.63 1178.5 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1165.981 1168.805 1166.09 1168.25 Yeah . Well i 1167.71 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1174.464 1177.25 1174.48 1176.92 Okay . Yeah . Yeah . 1176.07 1176.73 1176.92 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1177.385 1185.003 1177.51 1184.62 And the biggest problem currently is that the carrier is actually not cosine but uh something little bit more uh uh interesting . 1184.62 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1179.42 1180.626 1179.92 1180.41 Yeah , right . 1180.24 1180.41 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1181.078 1192.917 1181.3 1192.917 Right . But if you take a look for example for a s if you have a very g good music signal , which is very uh periodic you can really see something like there is one peak and 1181.72 1186.97 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1189.577 1190.367 1189.77 1190.23 Mm-hmm . 1190.23 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1192.258 1196.309 1192.41 1196.309 And if the frequency doesn't change over the wa over over the lengths of the uh - IN1007 B MIO097 1 1194.605 1214.05 1194.78 1213.87 And frequency more or less doesn't change . It's uh related to uh that frequency of the broad band or how it's called . If you add those filters , which are uh wider and wider this is that centre frequency which is somehow related to this one . So then you can transmit uh just fe 1196.44 1202.54 1203.96 1211.14 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1198.278 1199.029 1198.41 1198.94 Yeah . 1198.94 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1201.408 1204.385 1201.51 1204.14 Yeah . That that's nice . 1202.4 1204.14 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1204.181 1204.734 1204.28 1204.5 Yeah . 1204.5 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1210.019 1217.422 1210.11 1217.26 Okay . And so so so the so the broader bands do what on this picture ? L left left . 1211.15 1216.18 1217.26 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1216.151 1219.951 1216.24 1219.951 It's worse and worse . Don't then you don't see any anything like cosine . But 1217.15 1219.61 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1218.308 1247.631 1218.43 1247.53 But but f f fortunately , because of he uh because of properties of hearing more or less , for the higher bands you if you put in just s some garbage , some noise , it doesn't really m w matter all that much . It w sounds little bit worse . But uh it's not a big tragedy . Uh where you really w if you want to g do a good voice speech , uh you'll want to get the lower bands correct . And if you put in uh noise altogether , it sounds like a whispered speech , uh but you understand perfect . 1220.18 1223.66 1227.24 1228.27 1230.94 1232.83 1234.89 1238.64 1241.81 1244.64 1246.25 1247.53 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1232.52 1233.068 1232.63 1232.97 Hmm . 1232.97 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1234.791 1235.639 1234.95 1235.37 Right , right . 1235.15 1235.37 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1241.188 1242.41 1241.26 1242.41 Yeah , that that's 1241.58 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1243.861 1244.768 1244.06 1244.65 Everywhere . 1244.65 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1246.098 1257.898 1246.21 1257.898 It sounds like L_P_C_ when you excited by noise . It's better , I would say . Uh better quality . Definitely better quality . It lower bit rate . But that's a problem . So so 1251.04 1252.28 1252.65 1254.05 1255.07 1256.12 1257.37 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1250.387 1251.076 1250.46 1250.98 By noise . 1250.98 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1251.354 1251.801 1251.37 1251.68 Yeah . 1251.68 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1256.957 1265.107 1257.09 1265.107 So now we have to kill them both . Because I mean gave all the secrets away . I mean Qual computers is going to 1258.66 1260.84 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1257.898 1260.517 1257.898 1257.898 .. . 1257.898 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1260.517 1261.963 1260.517 1261.72 Yeah , sure . 1261.41 1261.72 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1261.193 1262.218 1261.193 1262.218 . 1262.218 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1263.736 1269.634 1263.76 1269.634 For any object you measure you use for uh a reconstructed signal and uh - IN1007 B MIO097 1 1266.362 1274.323 1266.52 1274.323 Objective measure , well , it was some those uh distances , spectral distances well , Edinburgh saw probably . So well , I mean 1267.84 1268.11 1269.95 1272.05 1273.32 1273.85 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1273.186 1273.428 1273.21 1273.37 Yes . 1273.37 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1274.139 1282.872 1274.28 1282.74 If Motorola or Nokia gets hold of this uh tape , then we are in trouble . Uh hopefully it by then it will be protected and and everything , right ? 1277.55 1278.58 1282.41 1282.74 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1277.059 1277.915 1277.13 1277.52 Uh-huh . 1277.52 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1281.504 1291.741 1281.504 1291.64 Although Herve just said that we shouldn't s talk about confidential things here . That's that's the problem . Yeah . 1287.41 1291.14 1291.64 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1286.497 1343.112 1286.68 1343.112 It's it's uh it's but listen , this is a science . I mean it's uh confidential to the extent that we are not uh i uh publishing it yet . But we w we of of course we will . And uh and uh but uh we have to make sure that that uh if Qualcomm has a interest of who's funding the work the they have to have a chance to uh to to patent it or something . But that's about all . This is not a public uh public uh presentation . So this i is not even a problem . The only problem would be if but you know , nobody can beat p Petr uh Petr Motlicek anymore in I mean if even if if Nokia knows everything if you if you sell it tomorrow who did you work for th the uh uh text no , t H_P_ H_P_ . They will take half a year before they would even realise what it is . And by then so it's not no problem . Okay . So that's where that's uh that's uh 1288.92 1290.15 1297.14 1299.64 1310.77 1311.58 1315.55 1318.68 1320.7 1331.61 1334.1 1337.93 1340.5 1340.77 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1297.873 1299.055 1297.873 1298.98 I h - IN1007 C MIO106 2 1303.379 1304.011 1303.53 1303.73 Yeah . 1303.73 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1315.199 1315.722 1315.31 1315.63 Alright . 1315.63 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1318.129 1319.393 1318.2 1319.0 Yeah . Sure . I see . 1318.49 1318.79 1319.0 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1321.535 1322.153 1321.64 1321.89 Okay . 1321.89 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1332.171 1332.688 1332.24 1332.65 H_P_ . 1332.65 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1334.083 1334.605 1334.12 1334.47 Yeah . 1334.47 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1341.555 1354.023 1342.11 1353.82 Oh okay . So so there is a compromise between the the lower bands the the worse stuff you just said and and the more bands the more coefficients to transmit . So fifteen is about okay . 1342.83 1351.98 1353.82 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1351.365 1360.28 1351.48 1360.16 Right . Yeah . Yeah , yeah . Also there are papers about it that f if you have like twelve frequency bands it's somehow optimal . 1352.33 1352.68 1353.78 1354.39 1360.16 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1359.586 1365.356 1359.71 1365.12 Okay . So this . And then there is a compression . What about that ? 1360.97 1362.0 1364.34 1365.12 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1364.346 1385.358 1364.63 1385.15 Compression is only to really to somehow feed that uh Hilbert envelope to yeah . Yeah , yeah . You can model it better . There is no echo or something like reve reverberance in the signal if you really go down with that compression factor to like zero point one , something that . Zero point one . 1370.56 1371.13 1372.08 1374.17 1383.41 1384.42 1385.15 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1369.046 1370.1 1369.1 1370.1 To get the uh - IN1007 D MIO077 3 1369.439 1372.789 1369.58 1372.24 So that you get so that you can't model it actually . 1372.24 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1378.161 1378.805 1378.26 1378.53 Yeah . 1378.53 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1383.337 1386.565 1383.43 1386.43 Of what ? Oh oh oh , compression . 'Kay . 1384.34 1384.91 1386.04 1386.43 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1386.832 1389.035 1386.96 1388.89 So what is the compression factor we are getting here ? 1388.89 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1386.822 1387.543 1387.08 1387.543 So - IN1007 A MIO098 0 1388.879 1434.42 1389.05 1434.42 When you comp uh w what you com when you compress the effectively they'll want the signal which we are modelling . And uh so then you get the fitting to compress signal . Essentially if you were in spectral domain you would compress the power spectrum . Here you compress the the th this th this i the what ful yeah of D_C_T_ of of the signal , right . And so the w then you have uh predictor is fitting actually this compress signal . But you know how much c it was compressed . So you can always expand it back so that you get the c that you get a fit to the to the original thing , except that if it is different . Because uh it ha th basically this OPAL modeling has a different properties . And uh it's 1395.24 1398.94 1403.11 1411.02 1412.57 1416.99 1419.48 1425.77 1427.87 1432.86 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1394.408 1395.057 1394.48 1394.95 Uh-huh . 1394.95 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1394.611 1395.143 1394.67 1395.1 Right . 1395.1 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1396.736 1398.134 1396.9 1397.97 The sub-band signal . 1397.97 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1398.102 1398.7 1398.18 1398.65 Okay . 1398.65 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1402.641 1403.123 1402.72 1403.09 Yes . 1403.09 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1406.729 1408.5 1406.84 1408.33 Sub-bands power spectrum . 1408.33 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1407.41 1414.008 1407.73 1413.9 It's it's s right . And it's still yeah . 1411.61 1413.9 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1415.996 1416.779 1415.996 1415.996 . 1415.996 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1419.462 1420.059 1419.51 1419.73 Mm-hmm . 1419.73 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1423.175 1424.239 1423.25 1424.239 To fit the the - IN1007 B MIO097 1 1433.762 1438.307 1433.89 1438.24 Yeah , you just preserve something different little bit . Let's say in R_S_S_ . 1434.2 1436.5 1438.24 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1436.218 1436.941 1436.29 1436.72 Yeah . 1436.72 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1436.266 1441.068 1436.32 1441.068 So we can tell you a little bit more about it . This is an uh sort of old technique which uh it 1438.13 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1440.411 1449.112 1440.5 1449.02 Yeah . I think Hynek has got ma many papers or some papers over that . So Oh . In I think I read it . 1440.88 1443.89 1446.05 1449.02 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1441.392 1442.074 1441.64 1441.98 Mm-hmm . 1441.98 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1443.102 1471.847 1443.27 1471.79 And it was my thesis even . P_H_D_ thesis actually . A small sorry ? Yeah it was S_T_L_P_ , was called spectral transform linear prediction . It was my first ICASSP paper ever . It was uh it nineteen eighty three Boston . You guys were still in kindergarten , right ? Oh , this is terrible . So But no nobody nobody was using it for anything , except it was cute . But that was about it . 1444.93 1446.27 1448.39 1449.54 1451.9 1454.62 1456.83 1458.42 1459.84 1459.92 1463.51 1469.4 1470.31 1471.79 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1446.466 1449.201 1446.58 1449.201 L_P_C_ . L_ uh L_P_ 1447.82 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1458.896 1460.925 1458.896 1460.81 Yeah . 1460.81 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1458.715 1460.993 1458.98 1460.993 Right , more or less . 1459.66 1460.9 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1460.261 1460.802 1460.29 1460.7 Yeah . 1460.7 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1468.662 1469.361 1468.79 1469.32 Mm . 1469.32 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1471.847 1512.543 1472.38 1512.543 And uh and but now it seems like that is since since what we are doing here we are normal L_P_C_ is fitting uh peaks , right . But when you are modeling Hilbert envelope , you don't necessarily want to fit only peaks . You sometimes want to get a basically good estimate of the of the envelope . So that helps you . Because in this uh thi thi this spectral transform allows you to to find the right balance between how well it fits peaks , how how well it fits dips and uh and yeah , and sort of the so this is g so I think that basically I don't know what else I mean you should be asking questions , right . So 1480.56 1481.39 1483.44 1486.13 1490.93 1491.86 1498.75 1503.41 1510.57 1511.39 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1475.122 1476.195 1475.3 1476.05 Coming back though . 1476.05 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1480.824 1481.497 1480.91 1481.43 Yes . 1481.43 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1485.638 1486.146 1485.69 1486.07 Yes . 1486.07 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1489.981 1491.004 1490.38 1490.86 Envelope , yeah . 1490.69 1490.86 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1501.471 1501.962 1501.58 1501.87 Right . 1501.87 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1502.592 1503.114 1502.68 1503.02 Exactly . 1503.02 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1503.29 1503.588 1503.33 1503.46 Yeah . 1503.46 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1511.22 1512.04 1511.33 1511.96 S - IN1007 C MIO106 2 1511.187 1522.57 1511.36 1522.46 Yeah . Uh one thing I wanted to know is any um a good literature on these lines . Uh where you started with , yeah . 1512.62 1520.51 1522.09 1522.46 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1512.76 1515.424 1512.89 1515.39 Well yeah . Yeah , yeah . Go on . 1514.15 1514.35 1515.13 1515.39 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1518.27 1518.769 1518.34 1518.769 Uh - IN1007 B MIO097 1 1520.01 1530.49 1520.01 1530.49 Well I think you can really take those papers from uh Marius about F_D_L_P_ . They are that's really enough on 1527.49 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1525.048 1525.555 1525.09 1525.3 Yeah . 1525.3 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1525.063 1535.556 1525.3 1535.556 Yeah , they are . About three papers . There was uh the s s s SAPA or how it's called , the confere then then 1525.7 1526.87 1529.34 1532.78 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1525.696 1531.595 1526.0 1531.595 Yeah , that's one yeah , o uh th oh . I have two with the 1526.17 1527.42 1530.09 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1532.427 1574.277 1532.66 1574.277 SAPA . And then yeah this is a this they are two papers in uh one is in SAPA , one is in uh U_ Interspeech . uh in a c Cheju . And one was in the A_S_R_U_ . It was from Virgin Islands . SAPA was a s I I tell you what it stands for , statistic and ad and something ad and uh perceptual approaches . I was on f I was on a f w s organising committee . I should know . But statistic and uh and something approaches . Uh pe perceptua and statistics and perceptual a approaches . That was uh 1533.09 1536.99 1539.51 1541.88 1544.01 1546.73 1549.57 1556.02 1559.4 1560.09 1564.84 1570.8 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1539.312 1540.9 1539.36 1540.9 Interspeech paper I - IN1007 D MIO077 3 1539.279 1545.037 1539.47 1544.88 And one is in in the America uh yes . Yeah . 1544.69 1544.88 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1545.672 1546.528 1545.81 1546.47 What is SAPA ? 1546.47 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1546.817 1548.569 1547.08 1548.569 I I don't know . I just n 1547.83 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1554.725 1557.12 1554.84 1557.12 You were - IN1007 B MIO097 1 1554.895 1557.15 1554.95 1556.94 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 1556.59 1556.94 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1559.466 1564.409 1559.466 1564.34 Just something . Right . 1564.01 1564.34 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1560.071 1564.432 1560.071 1564.01 You don't know . Evaluation , that's that's bad . 1562.23 1563.0 1564.01 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1562.552 1563.186 1562.59 1563.11 Pattern ? 1563.11 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1568.81 1582.351 1568.95 1582.19 Approaches . Mm-hmm . But there are also reports from IDIAP I think . At least two reports from Marius seem to me . Yeah , they are more less they are same like . 1569.85 1573.73 1576.48 1579.07 1579.95 1582.19 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1569.701 1570.744 1569.72 1570.69 Okay , okay . 1570.54 1570.69 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1570.209 1570.925 1570.33 1570.74 'Kay . 1570.74 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1573.202 1573.817 1573.32 1573.76 Yeah . 1573.76 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1578.827 1617.73 1578.92 1617.73 But they are the same , right , as uh as uh and then also is there is some more work actually can be traced down . I think there wa uh the reading Les Atlas's papers are very good . Because Les Atlas is doing a lot of work on coding in this domain . He doesn't use OPAL model . But he uses D_C_T_ and then he p uh so the so so and it and Les is excellent guy . He's very good mathemat mm h very good theoretician . Basically he's a he's at Stanford the guy . And uh really he likes to write things well . So he's very rigorous uh as opposed to s to me for instance . So if you read that then it then you know that there are no errors and 1579.85 1580.12 1585.41 1589.36 1593.92 1595.45 1600.77 1603.8 1606.33 1609.32 1614.34 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1578.906 1579.614 1579.13 1579.42 Uh-huh . 1579.42 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1581.253 1581.85 1581.28 1581.61 Okay . 1581.61 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1588.036 1588.743 1588.24 1588.63 Yeah . 1588.63 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1588.432 1590.773 1588.49 1590.72 Mm . Mm-hmm . 1590.16 1590.72 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1592.343 1593.05 1592.43 1592.93 Okay . 1592.93 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1595.44 1596.149 1595.54 1595.95 Uh-huh . 1595.95 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1598.339 1599.969 1598.41 1599.52 Yeah , yeah . 1599.29 1599.52 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1603.659 1604.457 1603.73 1604.14 Uh-huh . 1604.14 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1607.841 1609.687 1607.97 1609.57 Right , right . Yeah , yeah . 1608.25 1609.02 1609.35 1609.57 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1608.955 1609.887 1609.09 1609.36 Mm-hmm . 1609.36 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1610.884 1611.375 1610.93 1611.08 Yeah . 1611.08 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1610.99 1611.688 1611.12 1611.48 Okay . 1611.48 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1612.956 1613.921 1613.06 1613.75 Yeah , definitely . 1613.23 1613.75 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1615.669 1623.022 1615.669 1622.88 Sometimes unreadable I would say . It's quite difficult , but yeah . 1621.16 1621.87 1622.88 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1617.311 1619.473 1617.33 1619.473 Okay . 1619.08 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1619.877 1638.941 1619.96 1638.941 Yeah , uh but um so whatever you g whatever you get hands on from Les Atlas uh for over past five years uh regardi this two years ago , last year on one of the ICASSPs he had like five papers , right . Or various aspects of this because uh he's eager to 1620.19 1629.86 1633.18 1633.96 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1633.176 1635.155 1633.34 1634.95 Mm-hmm . Mm . Mm-hmm . 1634.07 1634.7 1634.95 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1636.935 1637.57 1637.04 1637.43 Mm-hmm . 1637.43 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1637.473 1651.139 1637.55 1651.06 Yeah , I think this year a lot uh Interspeech there was one paper . But it was regarded to speech recognition somehow . Y yeah , yeah . It was not something like speech coding or that D_C_T_ transforms . N nothing like that . 1637.71 1640.86 1644.75 1645.42 1646.21 1650.21 1651.06 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1642.955 1643.595 1643.04 1643.37 Okay . 1643.37 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1643.867 1646.488 1643.92 1646.488 Is that so ? I didn't even see it . Yeah . Or 1644.45 1645.6 1646.16 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1648.492 1649.05 1648.56 1648.93 Uh-huh . 1648.93 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1649.55 1650.29 1649.95 1650.14 Mm-hmm . 1650.14 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1652.81 1653.401 1652.87 1653.401 I don't - IN1007 B MIO097 1 1653.522 1654.129 1653.54 1654.129 So - IN1007 D MIO077 3 1654.472 1685.096 1654.7 1684.96 Also I can um before Marius left , he he has he had actually left himself . But all the files are here . You know . So all the m MATLAB implementations of these are here . And there is also one big table that he used he used to yeah . He was also playing with all these compression factors and lengths of the of of that . And there is a big table in in Excel which you can look at . 1657.85 1661.4 1663.77 1663.97 1667.76 1673.86 1679.6 1684.96 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1663.198 1663.84 1663.33 1663.74 Mm-hmm . 1663.74 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1666.659 1667.249 1666.7 1667.09 Okay . 1667.09 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1670.983 1673.553 1671.06 1673.5 To fill in , yeah , with all kinds of parameters . 1671.69 1671.9 1673.5 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1678.065 1678.714 1678.15 1678.61 Uh-huh . 1678.61 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1680.851 1681.466 1680.91 1681.31 Uh-huh . 1681.31 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1684.463 1693.244 1684.56 1693.16 He has all kinds of speech recognition results , right . It was the first time you start using the cluster , I remember , or some uh some parallel processing . That was a big thing here . 1686.64 1687.56 1689.59 1690.16 1691.91 1693.16 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1687.189 1688.553 1687.31 1688.38 Yeah yeah yeah . This wa 1687.88 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1690.291 1729.185 1690.42 1729.185 Uh yeah . Because it it it took a huge amount of time . And he basically he he was the first one to realise that these these guys are pretty slow to to do these things . So he he he just uh he just uh put here the P_ make environment and he didn't stick to any cluster or anything . He just put P_ make and run it on uh on all the machines here . So at some point he was using all the available memory by any mistake , you know . So at th in the morning all the machines were were just stuck . D no one could ever m move the mouse 1691.4 1695.34 1702.38 1713.42 1717.8 1721.9 1722.22 1725.66 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1701.918 1708.211 1702.04 1708.211 Everybody hated him for t uh temporarily . I remember . 1704.64 1707.85 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1704.258 1706.864 1704.3 1706.864 Right . 1706.73 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1709.457 1709.94 1709.49 1709.78 Uh-huh . 1709.78 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1712.015 1712.746 1712.015 1712.746 . 1712.746 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1717.119 1717.834 1717.29 1717.71 Uh-huh . 1717.71 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1726.382 1741.482 1726.42 1741.482 I yeah , I remember Frank came to me and says is everybody was computing like Marius , we would be all dead . But I say , Frank , but I want everybody to compute like Marius . And 1726.94 1730.82 1732.95 1733.31 1733.63 1737.91 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1732.087 1737.033 1732.087 1736.89 Right . 1736.89 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1738.167 1739.024 1738.167 1738.167 . 1738.167 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1740.254 1748.099 1740.27 1748.099 So these these resul yeah . Because he was doing everything in MATLAB . So it was again ten times more demanding than C_ plus plus and then 1741.8 1743.81 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1740.465 1741.521 1740.63 1741.521 Yeah . So 1741.33 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1746.624 1747.148 1746.65 1746.97 Yeah . 1746.97 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1747.05 1759.888 1747.18 1759.76 Mm . Maybe yes . Maybe no . I don't it's hard to say . Now it's not so bad with that if you really write it f well . And he did . I think so . Sure . 1748.4 1749.17 1749.58 1751.63 1756.91 1757.67 1759.38 1759.76 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1751.317 1752.859 1751.63 1752.859 Mm - IN1007 D MIO077 3 1755.561 1783.358 1755.69 1783.23 But he did . He wrote it well . But anyway anyway . Because I w i in the code that I wrote I was like playing also with if if the mat matrix is parse I really don't use it all . I just multiply from here to here from here to here . Not to matrix p my matrix . And then I I just optimised it a bit . And also BLAST libraries and all these sta things . But okay . Oh well whatever . But the t 1756.38 1757.35 1759.14 1768.08 1770.83 1772.77 1775.38 1778.23 1780.3 1782.85 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1770.33 1772.043 1770.45 1771.94 R right . Yeah . Yeah . 1771.09 1771.63 1771.94 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1776.398 1778.028 1776.48 1778.028 Yeah . Yeah . 1776.85 1777.67 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1780.479 1783.207 1780.61 1783.207 Whatever . That's not important . 1781.04 1783.06 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1782.278 1806.255 1782.4 1806.1 Well it is important , you know . Whereas I mean this is something which we never talk about , right . I hear it how much work uh does put in uh here . Because it's true it's true this that uh that things sped up tremendously since I came . I mean uh of course partially because they started to buy some more uh more hardware . But also be p some at least some people basically know how to uh uh write faster programs . 1783.4 1783.66 1786.08 1786.66 1790.66 1795.6 1800.52 1806.1 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1783.728 1784.175 1783.89 1784.08 Uh - IN1007 B MIO097 1 1784.175 1788.737 1784.175 1788.737 .. - IN1007 D MIO077 3 1788.359 1789.249 1788.43 1789.249 Uh - IN1007 B MIO097 1 1788.737 1792.837 1788.9 1792.837 Oh yeah . Sure , it is important for this case . But still 1789.24 1789.6 1791.11 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1790.457 1791.382 1790.79 1791.09 Yeah . 1791.09 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1799.779 1800.338 1799.9 1800.22 Yeah . 1800.22 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1804.187 1815.292 1804.57 1815.26 Yeah . But there is a the back-end recognizer which I will give you which is turn-around of eighteen minutes or well from eleven to fifteen minutes . Normally it would take hour and a half . 1804.66 1813.12 1815.26 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1810.454 1811.901 1810.6 1811.77 Uh this is fantastic . 1811.77 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1813.883 1815.413 1813.95 1815.35 And used to be two days , yeah . 1814.95 1815.35 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1815.386 1816.001 1815.52 1815.92 Mm-hmm . 1815.92 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1816.706 1827.009 1816.83 1826.67 Yeah no . No today it was over one hour . It's just like ten times less maybe or five to ten times less . But still still you can you can five times more compute . 1817.34 1819.4 1822.68 1826.67 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1817.189 1818.12 1817.189 1818.12 . Uh 1817.189 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1821.99 1822.522 1821.99 1821.99 . 1821.99 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1822.71 1823.301 1822.76 1823.1 Mm-hmm . 1823.1 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1826.242 1838.2 1826.39 1838.13 So do you already know where uh what is the situation with you ? You go back to Prague for a while . And then did you get anything in F in France ? I got some ideas by the way . I yeah . Yeah . Yeah . 1829.17 1830.79 1833.01 1834.43 1837.06 1837.7 1838.13 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1832.863 1861.533 1832.863 1861.38 Great . I have to talk to you about these . I I don't know . I I didn't try to . I didn't even mail to to Chernotsky , I must say . Uh I just talked to one girl there which told me that he would be possibly able to find me a job there . Any any job , like related maybe to field . But job . Not not anything any research . So if if nothing then then I could be able to get the job somewhere . 1835.66 1837.65 1838.31 1839.66 1842.72 1843.86 1851.85 1852.81 1854.26 1854.71 1857.46 1861.38 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1842.58 1843.112 1842.65 1842.91 Uh-huh . 1842.91 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1856.521 1871.38 1856.66 1871.38 Oh it's that's the that's the would be a pity , right . You you ca you t so you don't die of hunger . And so yeah . Yeah , that's not the idea . No . We'll we'll uh we will we'll try something , let's see what we can do . Um 1858.64 1860.66 1863.69 1865.6 1865.8 1866.65 1866.88 1869.07 1871.07 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1863.088 1867.932 1863.25 1867.69 Yeah , probably . Yeah , but t s but yeah . 1863.66 1864.94 1865.1 1867.69 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1872.14 1872.738 1872.18 1872.44 'Kay . 1872.44 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1872.546 1893.819 1872.98 1893.819 So Joel , your main basically thing is as I told you to t uh when we were walking that uh that what whatever Petr did , that it doesn't die , but it i it carries . And obviously uh v we very much hope that you get into that and you get excited and you do s more and uh or uh maybe even different things . But uh 1873.54 1881.07 1882.3 1883.48 1893.4 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1881.934 1882.699 1882.03 1882.46 Yes . 1882.46 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1892.444 1900.351 1892.67 1899.88 We hope that you find out that everything was wrong and that the potential is much bigger . Yeah , it actually work that too . 1898.16 1898.71 1899.88 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1892.748 1893.233 1892.87 1893.05 Yeah . 1893.05 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1896.638 1905.088 1896.93 1905.088 That it actually works . It's not that it doesn't work . Uh 1898.01 1903.76 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1897.833 1901.136 1897.833 1901.1 Yeah . 1901.1 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1901.264 1903.91 1901.264 1903.91 Right . 1903.77 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1902.873 1926.287 1902.873 1926.01 No . But after you find out the back then it will be that will be the yeah . So we will send you the papers related . And I will point you to all the code which I have . And yes . Yeah , yeah , yeah . 1904.24 1914.59 1918.29 1922.85 1924.92 1925.05 1925.63 1926.01 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1907.476 1909.712 1907.74 1909.712 Yeah . Then 1909.07 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1916.995 1918.059 1917.09 1918.059 Yeah . So 1917.62 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1920.734 1926.203 1920.81 1926.203 Yes . Uh yeah . Well , regarding this F_D_L_P_ . Yeah , 1921.38 1922.92 1923.1 1925.31 1926.01 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1924.176 1931.637 1924.27 1931.637 And i and this and this is all on the record . So if we uh if uh if we you can hold him to his word . 1926.2 1931.35 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1928.19 1932.426 1928.28 1932.426 He doesn't send . Yeah . Yes . 1929.59 1931.17 1931.9 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1928.308 1941.68 1928.52 1941.63 Yeah , I can play it back . So I can just now tell the the locations of all the files and you can rewind . Yeah , yeah , ferret . 1928.76 1931.52 1940.5 1940.86 1941.18 1941.63 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1935.994 1941.841 1935.994 1941.62 J ju you rewind . Browse through the meeting . Okay . 1938.34 1939.75 1941.62 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1942.635 1943.6 1942.73 1943.6 Yes . So 1943.16 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1945.538 1947.247 1945.66 1947.247 Um so - IN1007 A MIO098 0 1947.555 1951.763 1947.58 1951.64 How we doing time-wise ? Yeah I think half hour it's fine , right ? 1949.66 1951.35 1951.64 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1951.471 1951.995 1951.65 1951.85 Yeah . 1951.85 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1952.005 1953.619 1952.08 1953.34 Yeah , and definite . 1952.21 1953.34 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1954.208 1955.723 1954.31 1955.57 Any any more things ? 1955.57 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1956.737 1957.57 1956.737 1957.57 . 1957.57 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1958.266 1961.035 1958.39 1961.035 But you will be here until almost until end of uh - IN1007 D MIO077 3 1961.227 1966.127 1961.37 1965.81 Yeah , until twenty four . It's the Friday . So November , yeah . 1961.72 1963.6 1964.41 1965.59 1965.81 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1963.321 1964.294 1963.321 1964.07 November ? 1964.07 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1964.059 1966.163 1964.21 1965.85 November ? November . 1965.45 1965.85 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1962.992 1970.613 1964.58 1970.38 Yeah . So breaks my heart . It's just like I was just start teaching and then I n I'll need an assistant . 1965.65 1966.54 1970.38 IN1007 C MIO106 2 1965.668 1966.259 1965.72 1966.14 Okay . 1966.14 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1971.764 1976.096 1971.88 1975.98 Mm . . 1975.98 1975.98 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1972.767 1979.45 1972.91 1979.37 Hmm . Yeah maybe . Uh yeah . Uh d hopefully it's make m makes uh pay pay some extra . 1974.65 1975.42 1976.41 1979.37 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1981.253 1982.005 1981.27 1981.97 So we'll see . 1981.97 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1981.233 1985.706 1981.34 1985.706 What are you going to t talk or to teach ? It's just that perceptual stuff and 1983.43 IN1007 D MIO077 3 1981.867 1982.44 1982.01 1982.31 Mm-hmm . 1982.31 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1983.455 1997.506 1983.49 1997.47 Either speech . Uh but it's co actually compilation of uh really compilation of two classes I was giving at O_G_I_ , which is like speech processing and and uh perception . And so I tried to put it together so that it makes some sense . 1985.14 1991.14 1994.34 1997.47 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1990.428 1990.952 1990.51 1990.81 Mm-hmm . 1990.81 IN1007 B MIO097 1 1997.397 2000.815 1997.59 2000.61 Do you already know how many students you have ? No . 2000.39 2000.61 IN1007 A MIO098 0 1999.867 2011.176 1999.98 2011.176 No . No . I've it's uh i it I should have at least four . Because this is a p like uh graduates . But I have one , alright . Guaranteed . I have one guaranteed that I don't know if anybody else is uh 2000.52 2000.88 2003.5 2005.9 2006.43 2007.0 2008.24 IN1007 C MIO106 2 2006.535 2007.467 2006.62 2007.1 Yes . . 2007.1 2007.1 IN1007 B MIO097 1 2006.633 2009.369 2006.78 2009.22 Oh it's graduate for graduates . 2009.22 IN1007 B MIO097 1 2011.723 2014.621 2011.82 2014.621 Well I think Guillermo was thinking about . And 2014.26 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2011.176 2012.175 2011.86 2012.175 Uh uh - IN1007 C MIO106 2 2012.806 2018.232 2013.06 2018.04 Yeah . Bu three I mean four credits ? Or uh a total of four . Ah . 2013.33 2014.94 2017.75 2018.04 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2017.122 2021.396 2017.16 2021.34 Sorry ? I s I don't know . I don't know if it needs to be four credit or not . 2017.73 2018.92 2021.34 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2022.859 2031.498 2022.97 2031.24 I don't know how much I like people without uh n not taking it for credit because then they just sit there and having good time . But it's okay . No no , it's okay . 2028.76 2030.41 2030.68 2031.24 IN1007 B MIO097 1 2023.412 2023.855 2023.43 2023.63 Hmm . 2023.63 IN1007 C MIO106 2 2028.141 2028.775 2028.26 2028.54 Yeah . 2028.54 IN1007 C MIO106 2 2031.99 2040.329 2032.09 2040.12 Because s s in I_S_ it's four uh credits and uh Guillermo is taking I think he's g yeah . 2040.12 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2037.374 2045.243 2037.47 2045.243 Yeah . Guillermo is taking , very good . And so I'll I_S_ who already have at least two . If uh 2038.89 2039.92 2041.57 2044.72 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2046.499 2048.237 2046.6 2047.96 Yeah , we pro I probably get four . 2046.78 2047.96 IN1007 B MIO097 1 2047.78 2053.572 2047.93 2053.34 Well I would like to go there , but not just for credits . Just maybe to hear something new . 2049.02 2050.73 2053.34 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2055.202 2059.103 2055.25 2059.103 And uh it's possible . That's for sure . I mean that's 2057.83 2058.44 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2061.783 2062.581 2061.87 2062.44 Okay . 2062.44 IN1007 D MIO077 3 2061.837 2098.971 2061.91 2098.971 It was yeah , the last time it was for me it was good , the course from my from one special reason , because in the f when there th were the flats in I lost all my papers from my school . All the all the exercise books . Um how to say this ? Note note yeah , all the notepads and everything , all the notes from any courses . So I was remembering what I was learned or what I was taught at the time . So so I have it now back , at least partially . 'Cause all the all the algorithms you were speaking about 2063.75 2067.0 2069.65 2075.66 2078.4 2080.58 2081.67 2083.55 2085.4 2090.26 2092.77 2094.82 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2073.374 2074.072 2073.45 2073.99 Mm-hmm . 2073.99 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2077.556 2082.541 2077.64 2082.36 Mm-hmm . Yeah , the notes notebooks . Uh-huh . 2079.68 2079.9 2081.63 2082.36 IN1007 C MIO106 2 2080.13 2081.202 2080.32 2080.94 Notebooks . 2080.94 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2086.557 2087.977 2086.557 2086.557 . 2086.557 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2088.529 2090.607 2088.55 2090.607 But that's good , you know . It's uh 2089.18 2089.99 IN1007 D MIO077 3 2100.26 2102.375 2100.35 2102.375 Yeah . Uh uh I would add 2100.71 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2100.379 2140.132 2100.52 2140.132 I didn't get into too many things actually . We know the reason was that at the time we thought I was teaching with Herve . And we thought I we have much more time . And suddenly we ran out of time basically because what happened was that uh it was supposed to be three hour lecture . But it was only two hour lecture . And uh Herve assumed that it's going to run longer . Or I don't know what he assumed . But suddenly we sa s he said well so so where are you . I said well I'm just slowly getting into L_P_C_ . He said why but I we have only three more lectures . I have to teach H_M_M_ and everything . So I the L_P_C_ part was like I had to do it in one hour . And then everybody was c totally confused I guess . And 2102.39 2107.63 2110.83 2116.84 2119.09 2121.78 2123.41 2125.94 2127.98 2130.57 2132.41 2136.77 2139.52 IN1007 D MIO077 3 2107.646 2108.295 2107.73 2108.01 Yeah . 2108.01 IN1007 D MIO077 3 2110.763 2111.437 2110.98 2111.23 Now . 2111.23 IN1007 B MIO097 1 2113.376 2113.949 2113.46 2113.74 Mm-hmm . 2113.74 IN1007 D MIO077 3 2113.838 2114.359 2114.05 2114.32 Mm-hmm . 2114.32 IN1007 D MIO077 3 2117.914 2118.505 2118.02 2118.34 Mm . 2118.34 IN1007 D MIO077 3 2123.0 2125.145 2123.12 2125.145 Oh . some 2124.44 IN1007 D MIO077 3 2129.373 2134.181 2129.373 2133.83 Yeah . 2133.83 IN1007 C MIO106 2 2136.354 2137.145 2136.43 2136.84 Mm-hmm . 2136.84 IN1007 D MIO077 3 2136.692 2137.416 2136.79 2137.21 Yeah . 2137.21 IN1007 D MIO077 3 2139.495 2148.256 2139.67 2148.256 Yeah and also in the in the l lab labs the d people didn't know anything about it and they just follow the papers . It was 2147.52 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2143.067 2144.695 2143.15 2144.32 Yeah , they were also confused . 2143.3 2144.32 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2146.666 2147.315 2146.78 2147.18 Yeah . 2147.18 IN1007 C MIO106 2 2147.729 2150.54 2147.84 2150.45 Where was this ? In okay . 2149.42 2150.45 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2148.947 2150.826 2149.16 2150.75 It was at D_B_F_L_ , yeah . 2150.41 2150.75 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2152.215 2152.526 2152.34 2152.526 But - IN1007 D MIO077 3 2153.414 2154.013 2153.58 2153.83 Yeah . 2153.83 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2154.145 2154.943 2154.27 2154.8 Oh we'll see . 2154.8 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2158.131 2167.003 2158.17 2167.003 Okay guys . I think that um this unless somebody has uh still anything incredibly important 2158.88 IN1007 D MIO077 3 2164.722 2165.603 2164.77 2165.603 Uh - IN1007 D MIO077 3 2167.932 2169.761 2168.04 2169.61 Not to this topic . 2169.61 IN1007 C MIO106 2 2169.128 2172.423 2169.27 2172.29 Yeah . But I can come to yeah . Later . 2169.81 2172.05 2172.29 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2170.818 2183.978 2170.93 2183.92 Right , it's uh ju it's a little bit up to you . You have to p you have to back this uh uh ha h specially Petr . Because just to make sure that and yeah . Yeah . 2171.3 2172.73 2177.55 2183.45 2183.92 IN1007 D MIO077 3 2179.938 2189.731 2180.09 2189.52 Yeah , but anyway after I'm back I'll be still on Skype and all these things , so no problem to contact me until , I don't know , May next year . So it's fine . 2180.18 2183.94 2187.28 2187.65 2188.59 2189.52 IN1007 C MIO106 2 2184.191 2184.781 2184.24 2184.63 Okay . 2184.63 IN1007 C MIO106 2 2188.811 2189.418 2188.9 2189.25 Uh-huh . 2189.25 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2189.2 2191.788 2189.25 2191.6 Do you think that you will be done by May ? Is it plan ? 2190.98 2191.6 IN1007 D MIO077 3 2191.785 2198.198 2191.85 2198.09 Well I would like to , yeah . I should . 2194.06 2196.91 2198.09 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2193.951 2204.084 2194.12 2204.05 I think so . Yeah , we made a mistake , I tell you , . I think if I had to do it again and we made a mistake we should have register you here at E_P_F_L_ . You would have had a degree by now from E_P_F_L_ . 2195.42 2195.56 2196.56 2197.32 2197.32 2201.28 2204.05 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2205.332 2206.485 2205.41 2206.41 Yeah , that was a mistake . 2205.6 2206.41 IN1007 D MIO077 3 2206.232 2210.803 2206.46 2210.69 But I would have to study here for that that long time , no ? I th 2209.99 2210.36 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2210.427 2216.533 2210.45 2216.46 Sorry yours You were or you were here t you were you were here how long you were here ? Two years ? Yeah . 2214.96 2216.15 2216.46 IN1007 D MIO077 3 2215.136 2226.349 2215.31 2226.17 Two two years , yeah . And I would have to stay one more . Uh well it would be good reason for Petra that I have to stay here . . 2216.01 2216.68 2221.26 2226.17 2226.17 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2218.364 2219.296 2218.42 2219.296 Where are the - IN1007 A MIO098 0 2223.408 2232.842 2223.53 2232.6 Yeah . Right . So is she getting uh uh another position there ? Or what is the re reason of What a boyfriend , huh . 2224.78 2226.38 2228.83 2232.38 2232.6 IN1007 B MIO097 1 2225.39 2226.147 2225.53 2226.08 Right . 2226.08 IN1007 D MIO077 3 2228.852 2257.894 2229.08 2257.78 Yeah , yeah . Because she has a good position because she has a friend which is starting who is starting a lab there . And everything is it's a great opportunity for her at least . But the problem is and then she will go back and there's uh f family issues and all these things , you know . For a girl it's always the pain . Because she has to break for some time , at least a little . But has to break . And in in the science it's not that easy to to break . 2229.59 2230.08 2236.78 2241.22 2247.41 2248.4 2249.77 2251.91 2252.92 2254.27 2257.78 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2237.019 2241.267 2237.12 2241.19 Oh I see . So that's good . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Yeah . 2237.61 2239.25 2239.87 2240.85 2241.19 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2246.871 2250.589 2246.94 2250.41 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Yeah , I know . 2247.44 2249.65 2249.99 2250.41 IN1007 B MIO097 1 2247.296 2248.544 2247.43 2248.544 Mm-hmm . 2247.92 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2251.762 2252.319 2251.85 2252.15 Yeah . 2252.15 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2253.533 2254.015 2253.58 2253.83 Yeah . 2253.83 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2256.263 2257.336 2256.3 2257.21 I know . Yeah . 2256.97 2257.21 IN1007 D MIO077 3 2262.42 2263.077 2262.61 2262.93 Okay . 2262.93 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2262.296 2264.225 2262.65 2264.02 Um okay , 2264.02 IN1007 C MIO106 2 2263.44 2263.839 2263.51 2263.8 Yeah . 2263.8 IN1007 C MIO106 2 2265.753 2270.278 2265.81 2270.15 So in case I need something on this F_D_L_P_ , I'll come to you ? Uh yeah ? 2268.39 2269.53 2270.15 IN1007 B MIO097 1 2269.503 2272.023 2269.59 2272.023 Oh , sure . A any 2269.79 2271.1 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2270.635 2293.307 2270.74 2293.307 Otherwise I am also much more available than I was . I mean when you came it was just like cra one of the craziest uh uh times of this year . Uh uh it's not it's not that I was very productive , that I was doing anything useful . But it just like it's a little bit like writing thesis , all the time re-writing and change the do make a little changes and uh uh and 2273.4 2279.09 2283.21 2284.61 2288.51 IN1007 C MIO106 2 2273.372 2274.17 2273.49 2273.98 Okay . 2273.98 IN1007 C MIO106 2 2275.375 2277.604 2275.375 2277.48 Okay . 2277.48 IN1007 D MIO077 3 2280.694 2281.292 2280.82 2281.19 Yeah . 2281.19 IN1007 D MIO077 3 2283.87 2288.411 2283.87 2288.411 Yeah . But 2287.87 IN1007 C MIO106 2 2288.481 2289.413 2288.53 2289.413 Takes your uh - IN1007 C MIO106 2 2289.953 2290.624 2290.31 2290.58 Uh-huh . 2290.58 IN1007 D MIO077 3 2292.512 2316.284 2292.93 2316.284 Yeah , but I think definitely you are the best person here to with uh related to availability of you . Because if if if I want to go to Herve , I probably call secretary . He's there or and when I can and i there was no op uh no ev every time I came to you you were available . At least it 2293.05 2299.85 2302.11 2304.96 2315.38 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2305.357 2309.448 2305.59 2309.37 Yeah , he's ver no he has many more sp many more people so to take care of . Yeah . 2305.71 2308.99 2309.37 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2315.177 2336.724 2315.32 2336.66 Well I'm typically I try to be , because uh because , you know , I mean for s this is also my livelihood , right , students . So I have to make sure that that that uh they need to know something that uh so feel free basically to stop by any time and um yeah and uh it's not that I know everything . But 2316.86 2318.26 2318.78 2321.05 2321.23 2322.5 2336.4 IN1007 D MIO077 3 2317.836 2318.742 2318.01 2318.55 That's great . 2318.55 IN1007 C MIO106 2 2321.971 2322.944 2322.35 2322.944 Yeah . 2322.76 IN1007 C MIO106 2 2332.316 2332.838 2332.46 2332.77 Yeah . 2332.77 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2338.567 2349.486 2338.99 2349.37 if I know I uh I think I sort of know a little bit like what you guys were doi uh doing , right . But not uh not obvi every detail obviously . Yeah . 2345.12 2345.61 2349.06 2349.37 IN1007 B MIO097 1 2344.882 2346.047 2345.06 2345.96 I think so . 2345.96 IN1007 C MIO106 2 2347.553 2348.209 2347.79 2348.12 Mm-hmm . 2348.12 IN1007 D MIO077 3 2350.27 2360.692 2350.43 2360.53 You know the core , which we don't remember anymore programming . We know the details and you know what what is th what is the global stuff . 2351.58 2356.06 2360.53 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2353.84 2366.925 2353.84 2366.81 What yeah , you don't know why why you are doing it anymore . Yeah . Oh boy . Yeah . Oops . 2354.9 2362.8 2364.16 2365.43 2366.49 2366.81 IN1007 B MIO097 1 2359.383 2365.546 2359.383 2365.546 Why you are you doing this . Good question sometime asking 2363.2 IN1007 D MIO077 3 2363.009 2366.778 2363.35 2366.71 Uh ask Hynek . Ask my boss . 2365.67 2366.71 IN1007 A MIO098 0 2368.794 2374.507 2368.92 2374.42 Okay , I think my mic is falling falling . So I think we go , huh ? Thank you very much . Thanks a lot . 2369.26 2371.2 2371.98 2372.89 2373.87 2374.42 IN1007 D MIO077 3 2368.987 2370.001 2369.25 2369.9 Yeah . 2369.9 IN1007 B MIO097 1 2372.176 2372.842 2372.38 2372.63 Right . 2372.63 IN1007 D MIO077 3 2372.278 2372.994 2372.47 2372.71 Yeah . 2372.71 IN1007 C MIO106 2 2372.504 2374.612 2372.69 2374.53 Yes . Yeah , thanks . 2373.68 2373.92 2374.53 IN1007 B MIO097 1 2374.042 2374.887 2374.24 2374.72 Thank you . 2374.72 IN1007 D MIO077 3 2374.582 2375.38 2374.79 2375.27 Oh . 2375.27 IN1008 A MIO100 0 42.922 43.72 43.05 43.53 Okay . 43.53 IN1008 C MIO101 2 43.761 44.642 43.94 44.35 Okay . 44.35 IN1008 B MIO099 1 44.928 46.711 45.01 46.711 No . I don't uh 45.68 IN1008 C MIO101 2 49.292 101.011 49.36 100.76 Should I start ? Maybe by presenting the project little bit . Okay , so historically it was um uh last year Prof Delambeaux in uh his C_S_C_W_ classes uh asked the student to design a table . And all the students , and Guillaume wa was a student of this class , was very excited uh to design such a table . So he decided to um to make more research on this topic . So the general topic uh is about uh interactive table , um disappearing computer , um what is the other one . Um um na uh in the general fi field of uh collaborative computer supported collaborative learning . 50.54 54.2 54.45 64.85 65.98 68.96 72.97 78.16 82.2 84.57 87.81 100.76 IN1008 D MIO018 3 52.328 52.993 52.42 52.82 Okay . 52.82 IN1008 D MIO018 3 57.577 58.117 57.65 57.9 Mm-hmm . 57.9 IN1008 D MIO018 3 64.415 64.913 64.51 64.82 Okay . 64.82 IN1008 D MIO018 3 68.481 68.985 68.57 68.89 Okay . 68.89 IN1008 D MIO018 3 70.476 70.942 70.55 70.87 Mm-hmm . 70.87 IN1008 D MIO018 3 84.344 84.86 84.43 84.71 Okay . 84.71 IN1008 D MIO018 3 100.848 101.331 100.92 101.26 Okay . 101.26 IN1008 C MIO101 2 101.011 166.387 101.46 166.02 So the idea is we have different people collaborating uh in a pedagogical purpose . And uh we know that when we put a computer in front of them , uh it doesn't help focusing on collaboration . So if we make the computing um functionalities disappearing on on the in the furniture , in the wall or other things like that , we may more efficiently support uh collaboration than the the learning . So I arrived uh in June , something like that , a couple of month ago . Uh Guillaume and uh Michael uh are two students that are working uh four four months to their master project . And they start working on two uh different uh sub-projects . So Guillaume is working on the noise sensitive table . It's uh what we are discussing about uh today . 108.68 113.35 118.36 126.09 129.46 135.37 138.43 139.11 142.12 154.79 159.35 161.95 166.02 IN1008 D MIO018 3 117.385 117.785 117.47 117.74 Yeah . 117.74 IN1008 D MIO018 3 139.147 139.846 139.24 139.71 Okay . 139.71 IN1008 D MIO018 3 151.765 152.056 151.82 152.0 Yeah . 152.0 IN1008 D MIO018 3 153.716 154.248 153.78 154.14 Okay . 154.14 IN1008 D MIO018 3 158.816 159.265 158.95 159.16 Mm-hmm . 159.16 IN1008 D MIO018 3 166.212 166.794 166.35 166.71 Okay . 166.71 IN1008 C MIO101 2 166.387 196.814 167.12 196.814 So the idea is uh okay , w we have in the lab a notion about um root mirroring . The idea is if we can provide a feedback to people working together , uh it may help them self-regulating their activity , their collaboration . So could be normative or not . In our own case we want to have uh a table that would be accessible by by students . Uh at O_P_F_L_ we are uh 170.46 175.31 180.02 184.11 185.44 189.12 194.23 IN1008 D MIO018 3 179.411 179.802 179.49 179.74 Mm-hmm . 179.74 IN1008 D MIO018 3 183.927 184.542 184.0 184.33 Okay . 184.33 IN1008 D MIO018 3 199.152 201.12 199.152 201.12 . Ok okay . 199.152 200.87 IN1008 C MIO101 2 200.755 238.556 200.83 238.556 At O_P_F_L_ uh the learning centre will be built in a couple of uh years . So the idea we we will have plenty of rooms uh like in libraries or meeting rooms where student will arrive and work . So if we have this table uh that is accesi accessible to students if they arrive , if we provide a feedback of um who is talking , um instantly the uh at one moment or uh through time or the turn taking , uh maybe they will just by seeing an explicit uh feedback of that , they will um take profit uh of it and um 205.92 213.4 218.22 222.94 230.04 235.17 IN1008 D MIO018 3 211.045 211.544 211.13 211.41 Mm-hmm . 211.41 IN1008 D MIO018 3 229.836 230.235 229.94 230.13 Mm . 230.13 IN1008 D MIO018 3 238.661 245.441 238.81 245.38 So do you know uh which way you give the feedback ? Light or I saw something like that . 243.33 245.38 IN1008 C MIO101 2 244.235 245.008 244.29 244.89 Yes . 244.89 IN1008 A MIO100 0 245.247 268.496 245.34 268.46 Okay , uh for for uh the noise sensitive table project um we decided to um to take the noise uh as input , and uh give a feedback uh with LEDs on the table . So this is uh one of the the possibilities that were offered to us . But uh we decided to do to do uh it this way . 245.72 256.27 260.42 265.23 268.46 IN1008 D MIO018 3 255.71 256.275 255.78 256.13 Okay . 256.13 IN1008 D MIO018 3 260.232 260.773 260.35 260.57 Hmm . 260.57 IN1008 D MIO018 3 264.282 264.706 264.35 264.6 Hmm . 264.6 IN1008 C MIO101 2 268.852 301.679 269.29 301.679 The idea is to have uh peripher peripherical uh information . We don't want people to focus on uh what's going on , uh what on the feedback . So we don't want histogram or very precise information . But we will uh have LEDs that will be distant . There will be six centimetres between each LED with a blurring glass . The idea is to have more um a kind of uh art , artistic uh feedback , to have a kind of general feeling of what's going on . Something about 274.58 277.52 279.21 283.05 286.08 290.69 295.35 297.17 300.35 IN1008 D MIO018 3 274.354 274.894 274.45 274.84 Mm-hmm . 274.84 IN1008 D MIO018 3 282.54 282.881 282.64 282.81 Mm . 282.81 IN1008 D MIO018 3 288.659 289.292 288.87 289.23 Okay . 289.23 IN1008 D MIO018 3 301.647 302.162 301.71 302.05 Okay . 302.05 IN1008 C MIO101 2 302.864 303.613 302.88 303.58 Uh dance . 303.58 IN1008 B MIO099 1 303.89 327.532 303.95 327.532 Well I guess it's just a restriction we took . So so we don't uh the m amount of money we have to spend . Otherwise we could have uh we could imagine to have a whole table of of uh s well , of L_E_D_s . And then y you can really start to to some regions of the table . So yeah . 306.51 312.11 316.84 318.15 324.49 327.33 IN1008 D MIO018 3 317.619 318.035 317.67 317.93 Yeah . 317.93 IN1008 D MIO018 3 325.061 326.992 325.15 326.94 Maybe more complex , yeah . Yeah . 325.97 326.64 326.94 IN1008 D MIO018 3 328.715 329.197 328.74 329.13 So th - IN1008 A MIO100 0 328.678 334.008 328.78 333.92 Yes , the the first uh the first idea of the project uh was to have um the whole table covered by LEDs . 328.96 333.92 IN1008 D MIO018 3 333.94 340.991 334.02 340.991 Hmm . But yeah . 335.11 340.85 IN1008 A MIO100 0 335.845 375.872 335.9 375.59 But uh for the prototype of this isn't this is not the the way we implement it now . But uh in fact we have a there was th yes , th there was the the restriction that if we cover the le the table with LEDs , uh some won't be visible because uh you have uh yes . So um if there is information displayed under the the sheets uh the it won't be um very useful . So we decided to have it uh yes , thirty centimetre uh at each side . 342.95 349.27 354.34 359.48 368.96 371.56 375.59 IN1008 C MIO101 2 336.861 339.372 336.861 339.3 For practical reasons . 339.3 IN1008 D MIO018 3 342.828 346.322 342.88 346.322 To the border basically some distance ? Or 345.76 IN1008 C MIO101 2 346.322 348.482 346.45 348.32 We kept uh one paper sheet . 348.32 IN1008 D MIO018 3 349.224 350.722 349.43 350.52 Okay . O okay . 349.62 350.52 IN1008 D MIO018 3 357.735 358.649 357.85 358.59 Obviously , yeah . 358.33 358.59 IN1008 D MIO018 3 367.817 368.508 367.88 368.32 Okay . 368.32 IN1008 D MIO018 3 372.8 373.324 372.88 373.19 Okay . 373.19 IN1008 C MIO101 2 373.624 403.219 373.7 403.1 So uh the first shape of the table the shape of the table obviously is one of the factor on that will change the collaboration . So uh but we don't want to start with too many parameters . So we start with a table that is approximatively the tab uh of the table where we are now . And we will have uh a square shape like this that will be here and a second one that would be there . So we will have something like this . Like this . That will be the our first uh real prototype . 380.87 384.67 390.46 396.64 399.81 400.4 403.1 IN1008 D MIO018 3 380.558 380.974 380.63 380.86 Hmm . 380.86 IN1008 D MIO018 3 389.778 390.169 389.85 390.12 Yeah . 390.12 IN1008 D MIO018 3 396.447 396.83 396.52 396.69 Yeah . 396.69 IN1008 D MIO018 3 398.933 399.432 398.99 399.33 Okay . 399.33 IN1008 D MIO018 3 403.259 403.667 403.32 403.54 Right . 403.54 IN1008 C MIO101 2 404.727 452.231 404.727 451.74 Okay . And the so this L_E_D_ modules are being uh designed uh now . We should have them in a couple of weeks . And uh we will be able to uh start uh evaluating uh the prototypes . Uh uh about the C_S_C_W_ class , that will start at the end at the beginning of November . Uh so the student will be asked to design uh a table . So to find the shape uh of the table to get uh who the and put that uh on the um on table uh legs . And we will uh so at the beginning we wanted to put this L_E_D_ modules uh in the tables . 406.34 411.77 416.38 422.78 428.12 432.02 435.41 444.87 451.74 IN1008 A MIO100 0 414.392 415.38 414.392 415.18 weeks . 415.18 IN1008 D MIO018 3 415.465 415.939 415.53 415.81 Hmm . 415.81 IN1008 D MIO018 3 427.317 427.649 427.4 427.52 Mm . 427.52 IN1008 D MIO018 3 441.564 442.138 441.68 442.02 Okay . 442.02 IN1008 D MIO018 3 451.408 451.865 451.48 451.74 Mm-hmm . 451.74 IN1008 C MIO101 2 452.231 483.52 452.86 483.52 But we won't make it because uh for solidity reason of the table . You know , it's not very uh strong uh wood . Um so we will rather beam uh the L_E_D_ on the table . So we come back to a more richer display . B but we will um restrict it to a small uh to have the same display . LED lights uh that will be distant uh six centimetres between LEDs . So we will simulate our 457.78 458.01 461.06 466.57 468.92 475.58 481.6 IN1008 B MIO099 1 475.387 476.711 475.44 476.56 Oh let's . 476.56 IN1008 D MIO018 3 481.117 481.666 481.2 481.55 Okay . 481.55 IN1008 A MIO100 0 481.574 488.183 481.574 488.183 . This is for prac practical reason and uh also a matter of time . Because uh 481.574 487.57 IN1008 D MIO018 3 486.423 496.16 486.5 496.04 But don't yeah . Don't you think with a beam also you have less problems with the sheets ? Or you don't want to do that . 488.67 494.6 496.04 IN1008 B MIO099 1 488.555 489.121 488.68 489.121 Does - IN1008 A MIO100 0 494.148 502.369 494.21 502.369 Yes . But uh th there are o other problems , like um yes , the the information display on the sheets . So we don't know if it's 494.56 497.08 498.53 500.64 IN1008 D MIO018 3 497.956 498.463 498.02 498.39 Yeah . 498.39 IN1008 D MIO018 3 501.256 501.912 501.32 501.77 Okay . 501.77 IN1008 C MIO101 2 502.144 529.941 502.144 529.941 And we have yeah . And we have the feeling that to have the information embedded in the table , make it part of the table , it I don't know , we'll we we will try uh we don't really know what uh will happen with this prototype . We are very excited about that . Okay , uh maybe before uh going on on this subject we can talk talk a little bit on uh 505.37 510.68 512.11 513.6 520.34 523.64 524.5 IN1008 D MIO018 3 503.436 505.29 503.62 505.19 Confusing , yeah . Hmm . 504.12 504.92 505.19 IN1008 A MIO100 0 504.315 506.479 504.42 506.42 Yes . True . 506.03 506.42 IN1008 D MIO018 3 514.084 515.73 514.2 515.64 Okay . No , it's a choice . Yeah . 514.62 514.71 515.39 515.64 IN1008 D MIO018 3 516.853 517.263 516.853 517.263 . 2134.17 IN1008 D MIO018 3 521.941 522.456 522.0 522.35 Okay . 522.35 IN1008 B MIO099 1 529.206 574.787 529.26 574.74 Yeah , I can just explain my project . It's completely different from this one . Well , it's also about tables , but the idea is if uh uh the several students come to a table with their laptops , they should be able to to share information easily . And uh in fact w what we we are doing now , we project um another screen on on the table , and different people are are are able to use their their mouse of their laptop to go to the to the project screen there and uh the project screen is just another Windows machine that is running . So you just have another f computer more or less you can use , but you can use it with your your own mouse and keyboard . 529.56 532.05 533.91 534.1 536.28 541.82 546.15 549.07 554.11 568.13 571.52 574.74 IN1008 D MIO018 3 530.956 531.397 531.06 531.27 Mm-hmm . 531.27 IN1008 D MIO018 3 534.089 534.579 534.21 534.47 Yeah . 534.47 IN1008 D MIO018 3 541.343 541.809 541.43 541.69 Mm-hmm . 541.69 IN1008 D MIO018 3 545.316 545.882 545.4 545.78 Okay . 545.78 IN1008 D MIO018 3 553.196 553.57 553.27 553.49 Yep . 553.49 IN1008 D MIO018 3 562.174 562.681 562.22 562.56 Okay . 562.56 IN1008 D MIO018 3 567.511 568.043 567.57 567.95 Yeah . 567.95 IN1008 D MIO018 3 574.685 579.658 574.76 579.59 But physically it's just uh something flat on the table again , yeah . 579.38 579.59 IN1008 B MIO099 1 577.996 578.811 578.05 578.66 Exactly . 578.66 IN1008 C MIO101 2 579.692 580.049 579.79 579.95 Huh . 579.95 IN1008 B MIO099 1 581.014 593.012 581.11 592.9 But uh in contrary to to having al another keyboard and mouse that only one person can use , now the different persons can use the the screen um at the same time with the with the mouse . 587.0 592.9 IN1008 D MIO018 3 585.196 585.828 585.26 585.61 Okay . 585.61 IN1008 D MIO018 3 593.069 593.626 593.12 593.52 Okay . 593.52 IN1008 C MIO101 2 593.636 624.46 593.88 624.32 So based on the fact that most of the P_F_L_ student have their own laptop uh the idea is the similar idea uh is to okay , people are coming on a should be able to very easily uh use some um resources offered to them . So so the idea is to help them socialising , organising their own work , and uh not in a classroom setting , but in a social place where they could gather . 603.85 612.44 616.71 618.95 621.51 624.32 IN1008 D MIO018 3 598.74 599.114 598.81 599.07 Yeah . 599.07 IN1008 D MIO018 3 612.153 612.76 612.24 612.63 Okay . 612.63 IN1008 D MIO018 3 618.813 619.404 618.88 619.2 Hmm . 619.2 IN1008 D MIO018 3 624.978 625.593 625.05 625.46 Okay . 625.46 IN1008 D MIO018 3 627.173 631.302 627.23 631.302 Yeah , so it's different , but still uh yeah , it's same 627.39 628.15 630.34 IN1008 B MIO099 1 630.355 635.194 630.46 635.194 I'll s still the same subjects . It's it's collaborative work . But uh 632.76 634.62 IN1008 D MIO018 3 632.757 633.422 632.82 633.13 Okay . 633.13 IN1008 C MIO101 2 635.603 636.776 635.76 636.7 Different directions . 636.7 IN1008 B MIO099 1 636.619 644.026 636.7 644.026 It has nothing to do with uh audio processing and uh L_E_D_ . So 641.5 IN1008 D MIO018 3 636.67 637.501 636.78 637.28 Okay . 637.28 IN1008 D MIO018 3 639.616 640.922 639.7 640.922 Yeah . 640.88 IN1008 D MIO018 3 642.756 643.404 642.82 643.23 Okay . 643.23 IN1008 C MIO101 2 644.133 695.921 644.27 695.59 Okay . So uh maybe we can focus a little uh uh bit more on the what we have done about uh the noise sensitive table . Tell you about uh what we're interested in on the so we start so Guillaume started by uh developing the application that get the audio input . So we want it to have a modular architecture to be able to improve each uh layer separately . So the audio input uh is quite basic , no ? We u we use uh sound cards to to get uh the signals and to detect to uh on to ha and we have a threshold to detect uh when someone is talking , at least when the noise is uh at uh is bigger that uh specific levels . 644.48 652.48 667.15 674.46 677.8 678.26 690.24 695.59 IN1008 D MIO018 3 651.426 651.859 651.5 651.75 Yeah . 651.75 IN1008 D MIO018 3 663.471 663.887 663.53 663.84 Mm-hmm . 663.84 IN1008 D MIO018 3 673.942 674.49 674.02 674.38 Okay . 674.38 IN1008 D MIO018 3 682.416 682.857 682.5 682.75 Mm-hmm . 682.75 IN1008 D MIO018 3 690.968 691.783 691.06 691.38 Okay . 691.38 IN1008 D MIO018 3 695.289 695.746 695.38 695.61 Mm-hmm . 695.61 IN1008 C MIO101 2 696.368 732.754 696.4 732.59 And then we get this information about people talking , not talking , and to say okay uh , this one is talking for X_ time or uh has been talking uh X_ percent of the five last minutes . Or two people are talking together . So this is more semantic uh layer . Uh we call that interaction uh models . And uh uh so when different conditions are trigger are detected , we trigger on the interaction event . So very simple one could be one person is talking . So it's uh the easy one . 699.6 700.25 701.68 709.44 712.07 714.93 717.52 722.9 725.54 729.52 732.59 IN1008 D MIO018 3 724.874 725.323 724.93 725.16 Mm-hmm . 725.16 IN1008 D MIO018 3 729.289 730.445 729.46 730.35 Yeah , yeah . 730.14 730.35 IN1008 A MIO100 0 732.692 742.421 732.75 742.38 And there is uh a lot of programmes now about this implementation . Is it's not uh it's not obvious . Hmm ? Still in progress . Almost done . 736.32 739.36 740.07 741.8 742.38 IN1008 C MIO101 2 736.937 741.294 737.09 741.22 It's still in progress . Still in progress . 740.04 741.22 IN1008 B MIO099 1 741.323 765.23 741.4 765.11 Anyway , uh I think the the details of the implementation is not that important . It's more important that first we want to to have some events like two people are talking or one one started and another started and uh well , more or less broke into the speech of the first person , and so on . And then you can start to visualise these uh different situations . 741.97 746.22 757.52 760.44 761.45 765.11 IN1008 D MIO018 3 749.868 750.367 749.97 750.32 Hmm . 750.32 IN1008 D MIO018 3 751.989 752.388 752.05 752.26 Right . 752.26 IN1008 D MIO018 3 757.271 757.979 757.33 757.69 Hmm . 757.69 IN1008 D MIO018 3 761.02 761.652 761.13 761.6 Okay . 761.6 IN1008 C MIO101 2 764.973 811.021 765.32 810.93 So the last layer is about this visualisation . W we will uh we are thinking about the visual grammar , meaning that when we have an interaction event that is uh fired , we uh will associate uh a way of visuali visualising it . So for instance if someone is talking , uh we can just have a light that will centre on the point that is uh close to him . That could be an uh instant uh feedback . And if he has been talking maybe seventy percent of the last five minutes , as me , uh uh it it may be reflected as the um intensity or size of a s a cycle . 768.05 772.17 776.75 782.8 784.94 792.64 795.61 801.02 801.83 810.93 IN1008 D MIO018 3 765.284 765.866 765.35 765.55 Right . 765.55 IN1008 D MIO018 3 782.357 782.914 782.43 782.77 Mm-hmm . 782.77 IN1008 D MIO018 3 792.012 792.403 792.1 792.27 Mm-hmm . 792.27 IN1008 D MIO018 3 800.556 805.296 800.61 805.07 Or too long . Oh , just kidding . 801.88 804.53 805.07 IN1008 A MIO100 0 802.124 802.698 802.41 802.63 Mm-hmm . 802.63 IN1008 D MIO018 3 810.749 811.306 810.85 811.24 Okay . 811.24 IN1008 C MIO101 2 811.021 828.311 811.69 828.26 Centre on the same point . And then if there's turn taking , we can show waves of light going from uh me to you uh or from other people . Or using the centre part of the table to show some something more about the um uh more general uh dynamic . 813.26 815.01 820.65 828.26 IN1008 D MIO018 3 813.14 813.811 813.2 813.42 Yeah . 813.42 IN1008 D MIO018 3 820.631 821.115 820.78 820.88 Yeah . 820.88 IN1008 D MIO018 3 826.404 827.003 826.47 826.87 Right . 826.87 IN1008 B MIO099 1 829.533 857.498 829.66 857.498 Well that's uh I guess it's first prototype i you see we start with uh people two people talk or and don't and don't they . Uh afterwards uh one could imagine that you for example you can detect that someone is a bit angry or is uh yelling . And wi with different colours with uh with different colours on on table you could uh display this this uh give some feedback . But uh 839.09 847.71 856.82 IN1008 D MIO018 3 832.632 833.098 832.7 832.96 Mm-hmm . 832.96 IN1008 D MIO018 3 846.342 846.824 846.43 846.73 Yeah . 846.73 IN1008 C MIO101 2 848.372 849.403 848.5 849.21 Or laughing . 849.21 IN1008 D MIO018 3 854.88 861.535 854.98 861.43 Ah , so you ha you you might have multiple colours ? Or yeah . Sorry , didn't get that . 855.12 858.62 860.39 860.71 861.43 IN1008 A MIO100 0 858.683 859.157 858.76 859.06 Yes . 859.06 IN1008 B MIO099 1 859.029 860.51 859.08 860.51 Yep . That's uh 859.78 IN1008 C MIO101 2 859.122 859.754 859.32 859.72 Yes . 859.72 IN1008 C MIO101 2 861.747 878.453 861.82 878.42 In uh we can change inte so we have uh eight by eight uh two times LEDs . Each uh LED is actually three LEDs um . Th uh M_G_B_ LED . And we can change the intensity . So it's already quite a rich uh feedback . 868.69 871.7 873.78 875.57 878.42 IN1008 D MIO018 3 872.819 874.132 872.88 874.06 Yeah . Yeah . 873.85 874.06 IN1008 D MIO018 3 875.413 875.929 875.51 875.78 Alright . 875.78 IN1008 D MIO018 3 878.941 879.572 879.07 879.51 Okay . 879.51 IN1008 B MIO099 1 879.099 882.668 879.18 882.668 Once we get the hardware . 882.41 IN1008 D MIO018 3 880.886 882.183 880.94 881.97 Yeah . . 881.97 881.97 IN1008 C MIO101 2 880.765 930.239 881.05 930.14 Yes . And just a last thing . So this table is uh two different things . It's uh one object that will uh g provide a feedback to the terminal users , people collaborating around uh the table . But it also a tool for us as a researcher to test uh both the interaction event we want to detect and to test the visualisation . So um we will be able to edit some uh interaction rules and the visualisation uh grammar . And uh we will be able to process to post-process some conversation just to see what happens and to uh have these um models on feedback working when people are using the table . 882.69 885.34 887.63 893.08 895.58 908.33 916.15 930.14 IN1008 D MIO018 3 892.743 893.325 892.86 893.24 Mm-hmm . 893.24 IN1008 D MIO018 3 895.43 895.796 895.51 895.72 Right . 895.72 IN1008 D MIO018 3 905.113 905.52 905.2 905.43 Mm-hmm . 905.43 IN1008 D MIO018 3 908.33 908.896 908.4 908.78 Okay . 908.78 IN1008 D MIO018 3 922.609 923.083 922.69 923.0 Mm-hmm . 923.0 IN1008 D MIO018 3 930.392 931.073 930.5 930.98 Okay . 930.98 IN1008 D MIO018 3 933.4 933.882 933.5 933.77 Hmm . 933.77 IN1008 C MIO101 2 937.016 938.108 937.13 938.108 So I think it was - IN1008 D MIO018 3 937.426 938.524 937.59 938.36 No , it's quite clear . 937.67 938.36 IN1008 B MIO099 1 938.912 939.396 939.05 939.21 Mm . 939.21 IN1008 D MIO018 3 941.198 946.603 941.27 946.51 So uh I guess you want to know what you could do with an array maybe ? 946.51 IN1008 C MIO101 2 946.54 947.579 946.61 947.26 Yes . 947.26 IN1008 A MIO100 0 946.892 948.738 947.2 948.7 Mm yes . 948.7 IN1008 B MIO099 1 948.497 961.297 948.74 961.297 Yes . Everything from um multi switch administration of uh audio and how you can uh analyse it , uh what information you can get out of speech and so on . So 949.03 957.74 960.86 IN1008 D MIO018 3 955.045 955.486 955.13 955.37 Mm-hmm . 955.37 IN1008 A MIO100 0 956.845 957.665 956.87 957.665 Yes . Uh 957.05 IN1008 D MIO018 3 961.297 961.953 961.52 961.87 Yeah . 961.87 IN1008 A MIO100 0 961.784 968.96 961.92 968.93 I have one or or two question . I don't know if you want to to begin with the the explanation about the the release . 963.51 968.93 IN1008 C MIO101 2 970.288 970.922 970.39 970.922 Um - IN1008 C MIO101 2 971.313 974.76 971.33 974.62 Maybe we could summarise the question we were thinking about . 974.62 IN1008 D MIO018 3 971.713 978.227 971.75 978.227 Or yeah . Yeah . Yeah , it's good idea . Just give some questions uh 973.78 974.78 975.36 976.7 IN1008 A MIO100 0 975.535 976.799 975.69 976.66 O okay . 976.66 IN1008 A MIO100 0 978.298 989.819 978.42 989.71 So um I have actually two questions that are uh just practical question abo about my um my implementation now . Uh i 988.25 IN1008 D MIO018 3 987.69 988.114 987.77 988.0 Mm-hmm . 988.0 IN1008 C MIO101 2 988.214 993.059 988.32 993.059 So basically what we want we want to know when A_ is talking , B_ is talking and uh 991.58 IN1008 A MIO100 0 991.626 991.999 991.65 991.9 No . 991.9 IN1008 D MIO018 3 993.979 994.378 994.07 994.28 Right . 994.28 IN1008 C MIO101 2 994.903 996.842 994.93 996.79 Basic information we need . . 996.79 996.79 IN1008 A MIO100 0 996.363 1050.293 996.43 1050.26 So and the first information is um about the the noise level . N not the noise level , the sound level . Uh because uh what you get from from the microphones is uh a curve . And um a way the way uh it is implemented now uh to detect yes , you have a uh I have packets uh for uh let's say uh this is uh this is uh not uh fixed . But uh I have packets for about um uh alpha second . So it's uh second . And uh on these packets I want to know the the sound level , the average sound level . So uh the way I do it now is uh to to take uh each top of the curves' bottoms and uh just making leverage this . 1001.56 1003.63 1005.19 1010.94 1018.33 1026.2 1030.99 1033.22 1036.72 1039.16 1050.26 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1002.232 1002.723 1002.32 1002.56 Mm-hmm . 1002.56 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1010.394 1010.818 1010.47 1010.69 Mm . 1010.69 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1019.504 1020.025 1019.61 1019.71 Mm-hmm . 1019.71 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1031.696 1032.328 1031.82 1032.2 Okay . 1032.2 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1037.983 1038.49 1038.06 1038.35 Mm-hmm . 1038.35 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1047.155 1047.637 1047.3 1047.43 Yeah . 1047.43 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1050.523 1050.963 1050.62 1050.87 Mm-hmm . 1050.87 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1051.707 1058.716 1051.82 1058.716 But I don't know if it's it's not really um the best way to do it . But I don't know uh if 1057.07 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1058.658 1061.346 1058.78 1061.22 You mean the top of the wave-form ? Okay . 1060.9 1061.22 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1060.337 1060.927 1060.55 1060.8 Yes . 1060.8 IN1008 B MIO099 1 1061.384 1079.717 1061.71 1079.67 Probably it's uh it's f be a good idea if you have s two uh with um with source like uh books or web page centre . Give a lot of information how it is audio programming and so on works , cetera . Maybe you you know some at least a good book that's uh dealing with this stuff . 1070.16 1073.77 1075.17 1079.67 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1074.482 1074.873 1074.55 1074.81 Yeah . 1074.81 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1080.218 1081.109 1080.3 1081.109 Oh - IN1008 C MIO101 2 1080.889 1096.581 1081.06 1096.51 Maybe we can uh go through the different questions and then you can organise your own ? Um I would just add something . Uh we are not interested so much in sound level but uh in the level of uh the sound that corresponds to voice . 1086.54 1088.42 1096.51 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1083.688 1087.405 1083.76 1087.21 Okay . So this is this the the first question . 1085.09 1087.21 IN1008 B MIO099 1 1084.518 1085.092 1084.76 1084.91 Mm-hmm . 1084.91 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1085.408 1086.006 1085.56 1085.91 Okay . 1085.91 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1097.588 1098.184 1097.67 1097.89 Hmm . 1097.89 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1097.647 1104.939 1097.76 1104.88 Yes . But I think uh this is two different problems . Uh the filtering must be must be done before . 1098.17 1101.67 1104.88 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1105.261 1107.198 1105.37 1107.198 Mm-mm . Okay , it was just a 1105.9 1106.33 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1106.361 1123.303 1106.45 1123.303 And after that uh if you have uh a cleaned curve and you can uh just apply uh functionally . And uh the second question was about um uh filtering and uh F_F_T_ yeah , what you can get from it . Uh 1114.08 1121.36 1122.51 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1111.085 1111.467 1111.16 1111.32 Hmm . 1111.32 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1111.553 1113.907 1111.68 1113.77 Okay . Go on . 1113.33 1113.77 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1119.8 1120.273 1119.88 1120.19 Mm-hmm . 1120.19 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1123.723 1124.305 1123.82 1124.2 Okay . 1124.2 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1126.176 1184.25 1126.5 1184.16 And I would add uh one more . It's about um because what we can uh record is uh sound uh origins . So in po uh so no sonic points . But what we are interested in is people . So the question is if someone is moving , I'm talking here , I stop talking , I'm going here , I'm talking . How to detect that it's the same people . If we want to uh integrate information to say these people has uh spoken seventy percent of the time in the five last minutes . Obviously we need to uh to know that it's the same people . So right now our practical solution is to have one uh microphone close to um every place where people are supposed to sit . So we can infer that if a sound is coming in this area , it's the same . So kind of trick . But for the beginning it's enough . 1129.52 1136.59 1140.11 1144.08 1148.11 1150.49 1151.47 1152.28 1153.39 1155.47 1162.8 1166.29 1176.54 1180.06 1180.8 1182.26 1184.16 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1126.845 1129.024 1126.845 1128.99 general questions . 1128.99 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1137.722 1138.337 1137.82 1138.2 Okay . 1138.2 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1139.831 1140.222 1139.93 1140.1 Yeah . 1140.1 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1143.623 1144.114 1143.73 1144.02 Yeah . 1144.02 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1149.176 1149.724 1149.28 1149.52 Hmm . 1149.52 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1162.553 1163.219 1162.61 1162.98 Okay . 1162.98 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1176.37 1176.96 1176.43 1176.82 Mm-hmm . 1176.82 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1182.241 1186.881 1182.34 1186.74 Mm-hmm . Uh o yes , I will just add something . Um 1183.2 1184.26 1185.85 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1188.78 1206.355 1188.84 1206.355 is there a way to uh to from one uh from one stream to uh to build two streams that correspond to the the voice of one people and the voice of the second ? the 1205.96 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1198.461 1198.826 1198.53 1198.73 Yeah . 1198.73 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1205.108 1207.905 1205.18 1207.905 Yeah , yeah . Okay . Separation uh 1205.52 1205.82 1206.9 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1207.876 1208.333 1207.97 1208.27 Yes . 1208.27 IN1008 B MIO099 1 1209.503 1211.931 1209.59 1211.79 And is possible to do this in real time . 1211.79 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1212.896 1213.402 1213.01 1213.29 Yeah . 1213.29 IN1008 B MIO099 1 1213.656 1214.412 1213.76 1214.412 That's uh - IN1008 C MIO101 2 1216.543 1223.394 1216.65 1223.394 And a last question that is related t uh our last if I not find another one , um 1222.42 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1225.458 1244.03 1226.21 1243.94 About people , if someone is leaving or if someone uh maybe it would be something ev uh quite complex even for you . If someone is staying here , but is quiet or leaving , how can we detect that someone is here but quiet ? Okay . 1228.02 1236.03 1238.27 1240.95 1243.67 1243.94 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1233.833 1234.357 1233.89 1234.17 Hmm . 1234.17 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1239.386 1239.827 1239.43 1239.67 Mm-hmm . 1239.67 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1245.029 1252.291 1245.12 1252.18 Well you need a camera . Obviously . I mean will you have a camera ? 1247.47 1248.02 1252.18 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1246.757 1250.691 1247.06 1250.691 I know . But how to integrate the information ? Uh 1247.87 1250.13 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1252.398 1256.468 1252.5 1256.468 No . And it it this is not uh 1253.22 IN1008 B MIO099 1 1252.776 1253.275 1252.89 1253.21 No . 1253.21 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1253.095 1255.836 1253.27 1255.836 Not not yet . Maybe later on . But 1254.83 1255.56 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1255.884 1257.312 1255.97 1257.26 Maybe you can detect breathing . 1257.26 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1258.306 1260.903 1258.44 1260.8 Oh , the wait and the sit . 1258.75 1260.8 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1261.056 1266.86 1261.17 1266.69 Yeah . Yeah , that you could do . Or on the table uh there should be well . 1262.05 1262.28 1263.85 1266.69 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1267.18 1268.178 1267.18 1267.18 . 1267.18 IN1008 B MIO099 1 1267.313 1270.314 1267.38 1270.17 Yeah , but what happens if o someone is standing then ? 1267.6 1270.17 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1270.451 1278.906 1270.58 1278.79 Or putting his bag on the okay . But it was just to it's a question . I'm not sure we will talk too much about that today . 1273.78 1275.91 1278.79 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1275.156 1275.896 1275.18 1275.896 Okay uh - IN1008 A MIO100 0 1278.782 1283.529 1278.782 1283.38 a sound question . Sound related question . 1282.17 1283.38 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1283.429 1286.758 1283.48 1286.758 Okay . 1286.69 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1287.317 1290.019 1287.45 1289.97 Uh not directly . But it's uh related . 1288.73 1289.97 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1290.367 1290.899 1290.46 1290.82 Mm . 1290.82 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1292.204 1292.778 1292.28 1292.778 Well - IN1008 C MIO101 2 1292.636 1323.654 1292.66 1323.56 So in a couple of days we will get this um uh the fire-wire uh box . So we will we have chosen one that has eight uh line up . So we'll be able to have line in , sorry . So we will be able to plug uh up to eight uh microphones with uh jack plugs to exhale air with the possibility of extending with eight more X_L_R_ uh microphone with another box . 1299.65 1304.79 1307.26 1308.65 1323.56 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1298.941 1299.523 1299.06 1299.38 Okay . 1299.38 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1304.216 1304.657 1304.29 1304.55 Mm-hmm . 1304.55 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1305.364 1305.946 1305.44 1305.86 Line in . 1305.86 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1315.357 1315.914 1315.46 1315.77 Okay . 1315.77 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1322.223 1325.858 1322.25 1325.858 So you I think Guillaume said that's optic , something like that ? Or 1324.63 1325.43 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1325.222 1331.123 1325.53 1331.0 Uh yes . The the communication between the the extension and is uh of the . 1326.34 1331.0 IN1008 B MIO099 1 1325.544 1326.151 1325.72 1325.93 Yeah . 1325.93 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1327.963 1334.989 1328.05 1334.94 Okay . So you you need a different you need a microphone with um a device inside , right ? 1329.61 1334.57 1334.94 IN1008 B MIO099 1 1335.11 1341.315 1335.45 1341.315 No , no , no . In fact uh that's uh it's another thing , this optic . Well uh m we have 1335.6 1335.75 1335.86 1339.15 1339.99 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1336.565 1337.623 1336.61 1337.55 Ho how does it work ? 1337.55 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1337.003 1338.604 1337.12 1338.39 No , no , no . Uh okay . 1337.22 1337.31 1337.53 1338.39 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1340.3 1349.429 1340.46 1349.27 So we ha we have the computer , we have the the main box with the eight line ins . And it's fire-wire . 1341.94 1348.09 1349.27 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1346.672 1356.43 1346.75 1356.27 And the fire-wire port . And there is an extension for this this uh this device connected to it uh with uh optic fibre . 1348.34 1356.27 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1347.902 1348.498 1348.01 1348.35 Okay . 1348.35 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1352.692 1353.057 1352.72 1352.97 Yeah . 1352.97 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1354.06 1355.303 1354.09 1355.18 It is optic . 1355.18 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1356.434 1362.851 1356.49 1362.79 To have eight more X_L_R_ if we need it . But we are not sure to to buy it now . But we can extend it . 1359.58 1361.7 1362.79 IN1008 B MIO099 1 1356.595 1357.117 1356.74 1357.02 Ye - IN1008 D MIO018 3 1359.477 1360.034 1359.53 1359.9 Okay . 1359.9 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1362.055 1362.787 1362.3 1362.67 Mm . 1362.67 IN1008 B MIO099 1 1362.829 1371.019 1363.12 1371.019 Actually , it's not really an extension to the first box , just an indu industry standard uh uh protocol between these two uh 1363.43 1365.77 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1365.825 1366.507 1365.87 1366.507 That's uh - IN1008 D MIO018 3 1368.498 1368.906 1368.59 1368.81 Hmm . 1368.81 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1371.219 1374.696 1371.29 1374.696 It's another fire-wire or not fire-wire , but um 1373.54 IN1008 B MIO099 1 1374.324 1381.554 1374.4 1381.554 Well well there's a special protocol to to deliver uh audio signals and uh its path through uh o um - IN1008 D MIO018 3 1376.276 1376.758 1376.35 1376.59 Okay . 1376.59 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1379.244 1384.587 1379.33 1384.55 But concretely you would use that to get higher quality signals ? 1384.55 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1385.232 1388.409 1385.31 1388.09 Yes . Uh yes . 1387.18 1388.09 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1385.893 1386.666 1385.95 1386.53 Y that's all . 1386.53 IN1008 B MIO099 1 1387.08 1393.247 1387.1 1392.88 Well actually , just to have the the ICSLA e uh possibly to to branch ICSLA . 1387.74 1392.88 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1387.104 1388.334 1387.17 1388.334 Yes . Well 1387.77 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1387.358 1388.29 1387.358 1387.358 . 1387.358 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1390.687 1391.171 1390.75 1390.99 Yeah . 1390.99 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1390.637 1421.212 1390.77 1421.0 We are not sure about what kind of microphone we should use . So we wanted to uh that's a first thing . So we wanted to have open possibilities . And secondly , maybe we will use this box , you know , to get uh data . I don't know if in another experiment , maybe in another project , if we want to have comments of different people around the table or o elsewhere . Uh getting uh having the possibility of using X_L_R_ microphone could be uh uh could be neat . So everything is open . 1394.61 1397.47 1399.49 1400.39 1402.45 1402.69 1404.08 1406.81 1408.02 1413.52 1419.48 1421.0 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1393.687 1395.001 1393.81 1394.76 Ah okay , okay . 1394.48 1394.76 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1399.473 1399.92 1399.7 1399.82 Yeah . 1399.82 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1413.286 1413.676 1413.32 1413.49 Yeah . 1413.49 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1419.288 1419.937 1419.35 1419.85 Hmm . 1419.85 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1419.984 1445.963 1420.33 1445.86 Be because for now uh I'm just sampling the sound that uh eight thousand . So uh just uh something very very rel I could uh even uh go to lower . But uh this is just to get the the s the noise , the sound level . But uh if I want to record the conversation with uh uh a processing after th 1425.37 1432.71 1436.77 1438.36 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1432.513 1433.128 1432.6 1432.91 Okay . 1432.91 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1438.076 1438.832 1438.15 1438.832 And how - IN1008 D MIO018 3 1439.227 1439.824 1439.39 1439.65 Hmm . 1439.65 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1444.925 1448.692 1445.0 1448.53 Hmm . You mean you meant eight kilo uh sampling frequency ? 1445.55 1448.53 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1448.665 1456.032 1448.8 1455.9 Yes , to to have a better sound quality . Uh perhaps it's better to have a X_ array , yeah . Something like that . 1449.31 1451.98 1454.24 1455.18 1455.9 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1454.804 1455.194 1454.88 1455.1 Yeah . 1455.1 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1456.594 1460.053 1456.65 1460.01 Uh we use sixteen . So that's eight kilo band-width . 1458.06 1460.01 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1461.196 1466.779 1461.25 1466.68 Sixteen kilo uh sampling frequency . It it's not bad . Uh it's quite decent . 1463.98 1465.21 1466.68 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1461.506 1462.088 1461.53 1461.97 Yes . 1461.97 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1465.478 1467.233 1465.478 1467.19 . Okay . 1465.478 1467.19 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1467.952 1468.795 1467.97 1468.795 Um - IN1008 D MIO018 3 1470.899 1485.841 1471.0 1485.74 Mm f before answering the questions uh th there's also a point of uh precision of localization if you use an array . So if you use higher frequencies you can get more precise localization . But maybe you don't need it . 1478.71 1484.46 1485.74 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1477.804 1478.288 1477.88 1478.22 Mm-hmm . 1478.22 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1483.534 1491.696 1483.65 1491.61 Sure , sure . But uh what is the the gain ? In terms of uh position ? 1484.2 1486.12 1489.75 1491.61 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1491.794 1495.236 1491.794 1495.15 Uh that I can't answer directly . 1495.15 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1494.489 1498.438 1495.96 1498.37 Uh uh uh centimetres or uh more ? 1498.37 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1499.126 1503.74 1499.21 1503.67 Uh it depends on your set-up , you know . Um you have to test basically . 1500.82 1501.17 1503.67 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1501.34 1501.765 1501.39 1501.65 Okay . 1501.65 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1504.437 1511.534 1504.7 1511.39 M uh what you get is uh the real position or uh just uh the angle at which the the sound comes ? 1511.39 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1511.499 1512.497 1511.55 1512.497 Um - IN1008 D MIO018 3 1514.11 1528.626 1514.13 1528.56 Y you get uh the angle . The most precise one is the asymmet in the horizontal plane . Then you also get elevation . But it's not very precise . It's more of an indication . And radius is very bad . 1517.06 1522.07 1523.27 1524.88 1526.93 1528.56 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1516.612 1517.028 1516.71 1516.91 Mm-hmm . 1516.91 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1520.635 1521.05 1520.73 1520.98 Mm-hmm . 1520.98 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1528.992 1529.458 1529.05 1529.35 Okay . 1529.35 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1529.987 1532.627 1530.22 1532.48 If you use a planar geometry like this one . 1532.48 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1533.307 1534.056 1533.39 1533.93 Yes , sure . 1533.58 1533.93 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1534.115 1542.293 1534.21 1542.293 Yeah . Um you can use multiple ones and do some um um triangulation . 1535.6 1542.2 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1542.016 1549.477 1542.04 1549.42 Yes . Uh because uh there there is just um four microphones that are eight . 1543.37 1549.42 IN1008 B MIO099 1 1543.12 1543.743 1543.2 1543.33 Hmm . 1543.33 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1548.219 1555.327 1548.34 1555.19 Eight , eight . These are only screws . Microphones are on bottom . Yeah , yeah . 1548.7 1549.63 1551.41 1554.55 1554.97 1555.19 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1551.115 1572.176 1551.19 1572.08 Okay , yes . Okay , but there are in uh in a plan . Okay . Because uh at at T_P_F_N_ there is a lab that is uh has done almost the same thing . But they have uh eight microphone that are uh at uh yes , the eight um the eight uh uh cor corner of uh a cube , yes . 1551.45 1551.84 1552.13 1555.21 1555.89 1561.2 1565.21 1571.78 1572.08 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1560.807 1561.239 1560.88 1561.15 Mm-hmm . 1561.15 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1570.846 1572.052 1570.97 1572.01 A cube ? Okay . 1571.63 1572.01 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1573.461 1584.805 1573.51 1584.805 Yeah , then you might get uh better direction in elevation . But I'm not sure it's really relevant . Um no . So 1573.73 1579.36 1582.1 1583.87 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1581.456 1583.247 1581.71 1583.12 No , we are not very interested in . 1581.9 1583.12 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1582.015 1591.06 1582.28 1591.06 The elevation , no . But uh what is could be relevant , it's not uh almost it's not always the case with the the um 1582.95 1583.89 1586.26 IN1008 B MIO099 1 1583.311 1583.785 1583.34 1583.73 No . 1583.73 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1591.265 1593.526 1591.36 1593.14 Uh if people move forward , yeah . 1592.91 1593.14 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1592.798 1597.339 1592.89 1597.339 Yes , the the position , the the radius of the 1593.51 1595.64 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1597.291 1605.656 1597.37 1605.55 Ah , the radius ? Th then the r the problem is not the geometry , it's the um I you need more than one basically . 1597.54 1599.03 1601.5 1605.55 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1598.74 1600.183 1598.82 1600.07 Yes , it could be . 1599.48 1600.07 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1605.955 1607.052 1606.14 1606.84 Yes , okay . 1606.59 1606.84 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1607.211 1609.162 1607.3 1609.01 With one you will only get direction . 1609.01 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1609.604 1611.043 1609.69 1611.043 More than one - IN1008 D MIO018 3 1610.709 1613.84 1610.74 1613.84 Microphone array . So 1612.57 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1612.469 1621.952 1612.55 1621.952 Yes . Because um because i the um the distance between the the microphone is too uh is too low to 1612.77 IN1008 B MIO099 1 1613.366 1613.889 1613.44 1613.79 Uh-huh . 1613.79 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1619.189 1620.095 1619.26 1619.98 Mm-mm mm-mm . 1619.98 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1619.636 1620.051 1619.76 1619.93 Mm . 1619.93 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1621.744 1622.452 1621.78 1622.3 Okay . 1622.3 IN1008 B MIO099 1 1621.864 1642.62 1621.88 1642.62 Well uh so you say this one already works to uh to tell the the direction . Um would it also work if you placed uh the microphones at at the border of the table ? You see , now you you have it quite central . And uh what happens if if you put them here on around the table ? Would it work as well ? Or 1627.39 1634.13 1634.45 1636.94 1641.09 1642.53 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1626.049 1627.329 1626.21 1627.23 Direction , yeah . 1627.05 1627.23 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1633.636 1634.65 1633.68 1634.65 Um - IN1008 D MIO018 3 1636.388 1636.895 1636.49 1636.78 Yeah . 1636.78 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1642.846 1670.449 1642.9 1670.449 It's a different option , yeah . Um we haven't tried that because we are not going to have the special kind of table . More uh this is not a good example but we have like a box , just bring the box and put it . So it uh we could not consider that . But in your case it could be interesting , yeah . Unless people put something on the microphone . But um 1643.83 1644.21 1652.47 1656.21 1659.22 1662.7 1664.49 1665.54 1668.82 IN1008 B MIO099 1 1645.73 1647.679 1645.85 1647.679 You just didn't try ? Or 1646.99 IN1008 B MIO099 1 1652.096 1652.636 1652.17 1652.49 Mm-hmm . 1652.49 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1652.219 1652.61 1652.31 1652.45 Mm-hmm . 1652.45 IN1008 B MIO099 1 1658.867 1659.416 1658.96 1659.27 Yeah . 1659.27 IN1008 B MIO099 1 1662.376 1663.766 1662.57 1663.67 Yeah , it is clear , this . 1662.73 1663.35 1663.67 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1667.853 1668.468 1667.9 1668.37 Yes , sure . 1668.08 1668.37 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1670.419 1674.394 1670.53 1674.32 They won't have nice light uh lighting on in front of them . 1674.32 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1675.855 1677.931 1675.855 1677.75 they would maybe careful . 1677.75 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1675.782 1676.281 1675.88 1676.2 Yeah . 1676.2 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1675.849 1686.377 1675.97 1686.29 Yes , but I think the the most relevant part is the um the other uh the hardware that synchronize the microphones and that . 1676.52 1686.29 IN1008 B MIO099 1 1676.055 1676.554 1676.16 1676.41 No . 1676.41 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1686.334 1695.428 1686.46 1695.25 Right . But that I'm I think after the meeting we can go and talk to Olivier about that . I'm not the person for hardware . 1687.67 1693.28 1695.25 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1687.673 1688.014 1687.73 1688.014 But - IN1008 C MIO101 2 1692.305 1692.779 1692.35 1692.67 Okay . 1692.67 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1692.786 1693.26 1692.87 1693.16 Yes . 1693.16 IN1008 B MIO099 1 1692.991 1693.665 1693.09 1693.63 Mm-hmm . 1693.63 IN1008 B MIO099 1 1695.56 1695.901 1695.61 1695.8 No . 1695.8 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1695.771 1702.723 1695.85 1702.59 So maybe w uh you could present a different work uh you have done . And uh I don't know how they are . 1699.98 1702.59 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1699.036 1699.502 1699.12 1699.4 Yeah . 1699.4 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1703.043 1707.31 1703.13 1707.15 Yeah , I'll t I'll try to present uh I guess it corresponds to your questions . 1703.26 1707.15 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1708.519 1713.009 1708.63 1712.69 So you told us it was different pieces , more than one integrated device . 1710.65 1712.69 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1710.612 1711.152 1710.71 1710.98 Yeah . 1710.98 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1712.363 1725.932 1712.41 1725.78 So the the lowest layer would be the first two questions . Um you asked about how to detect um activity . Currently you're thresholding the t maximum of your wave-form , right . 1715.72 1722.5 1725.58 1725.78 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1722.413 1723.02 1722.55 1722.84 Yes . 1722.84 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1726.229 1730.048 1726.36 1729.91 Mm not maximum . The the average on the on the packets . 1727.73 1729.91 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1728.838 1733.154 1729.13 1733.09 Ah , ah . Okay . And you're looking for a peak . 1729.37 1730.04 1731.47 1733.09 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1728.96 1729.656 1729.14 1729.656 Oh uh - IN1008 A MIO100 0 1733.89 1753.453 1734.03 1753.38 Uh yes , the the I take the the b I g when I go up to the the curve uh I'm uh on the at the local maximum . I take it . Then the next uh local minimum and uh taking this uh this range , doing average on it . 1735.12 1743.69 1744.64 1752.42 1753.38 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1735.177 1735.699 1735.26 1735.45 Yeah . 1735.45 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1740.118 1740.467 1740.21 1740.38 Yeah . 1740.38 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1743.186 1743.602 1743.28 1743.52 Yeah . 1743.52 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1746.586 1747.11 1746.63 1747.0 Hmm . 1747.0 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1750.178 1750.81 1750.24 1750.71 Okay . 1750.71 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1750.805 1755.603 1751.13 1755.52 What would be the d difference between detecting the average or detecting the maximum ? 1755.52 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1756.455 1757.42 1756.51 1757.42 Uh - IN1008 A MIO100 0 1757.231 1757.713 1757.31 1757.64 Yes . 1757.64 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1758.819 1759.542 1758.89 1759.4 Difference . 1759.4 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1758.842 1762.083 1758.98 1761.88 What what would be the difference ? What is the difference ? 1761.05 1761.88 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1761.446 1764.537 1761.47 1764.537 Difference is uh is that if I just uh - IN1008 C MIO101 2 1764.42 1766.189 1764.59 1766.06 It's a kind of filtering already ? 1766.06 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1766.347 1790.035 1766.44 1790.035 Yeah . Yeah . And your second question uh was about F_F_T_ , what can be done with F_F_T_ . So um the approach we're taking here is to answer both questions the same time . We use F_F_T_ to do detection . We don't use the wave-form , the raw wave-form . So um 1767.44 1768.83 1771.48 1774.38 1782.33 1785.12 1786.78 1788.84 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1766.441 1767.473 1766.54 1767.39 Mm yes . 1767.39 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1773.036 1773.493 1773.11 1773.37 Yes . 1773.37 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1785.24 1785.855 1785.37 1785.69 Okay . 1785.69 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1788.923 1792.94 1789.04 1792.94 A you have uh you have fifteen implementations . Uh 1792.69 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1793.296 1801.528 1793.32 1801.43 We split um we split the signal in small frames , like sixteen millisecond . Sixteen . 1798.02 1800.71 1801.43 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1797.89 1798.439 1797.98 1798.36 Yes . 1798.36 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1800.128 1802.082 1800.15 1801.97 Sixty ? Okay . 1801.66 1801.97 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1800.069 1800.576 1800.19 1800.5 Okay . 1800.5 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1801.661 1802.418 1801.78 1802.25 Sixteen . 1802.25 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1802.957 1814.877 1803.07 1814.83 Um each frame is taking thirty two millisecond of signal , just to give an idea . And there is a one frame every sixteen millisecond , and they overlap of fifty percent . 1807.84 1809.57 1812.67 1814.83 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1809.689 1810.336 1809.689 1810.23 again . 1810.23 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1812.785 1813.367 1812.9 1813.18 Uh-huh . 1813.18 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1815.379 1815.969 1815.48 1815.89 Okay . 1815.89 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1817.446 1818.58 1817.67 1818.58 Um - IN1008 C MIO101 2 1818.684 1822.741 1818.78 1822.741 So it's thirty two millisecond frames taken each - IN1008 D MIO018 3 1821.537 1823.932 1821.61 1823.81 Yeah . Each sixteen millisecond . 1822.74 1823.81 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1826.639 1832.044 1826.71 1832.044 Well th these are details . It's just to give an idea . Um 1827.75 1831.17 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1828.94 1834.407 1829.06 1834.31 An idea . So something like that . So why are you overlapping ? 1830.82 1832.65 1834.31 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1836.428 1838.453 1836.51 1838.38 Well it's uh the the c - IN1008 C MIO101 2 1837.641 1841.472 1837.76 1841.35 I have a rough idea . But uh what is the main interest ? 1838.78 1841.35 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1839.986 1863.591 1840.11 1863.49 Because usually when you do F_F_T_ , y if I'm getting into details , but you you apply um a window to avoid effect . So the beginning and the end it it i it's not crappy , it's just not very much rep represented because you apply um a window which has this shape , having window . So they're very yeah . 1842.91 1844.39 1850.02 1853.91 1860.24 1861.86 1863.49 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1847.259 1847.891 1847.36 1847.76 Mm-hmm . 1847.76 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1850.959 1852.954 1851.18 1852.84 Yeah , and it's kind of crappy . 1851.39 1852.84 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1855.069 1858.803 1855.12 1858.7 Precise . Okay . Okay . 1856.6 1858.31 1858.7 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1860.438 1866.042 1860.47 1865.93 Mm mm mm . So you use the first and last point to detect what is between . 1861.39 1865.93 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1866.868 1888.65 1866.96 1888.54 No , I'm saying uh when you take your signal you take one frame , you apply the window , uh and the window is simply uh coefficients you give . And you give higher coefficient to the middle than to the extreme . So if you don't do overlap y you will lose information at the beginning and the end . 1867.09 1870.22 1872.52 1877.0 1882.13 1888.54 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1871.372 1871.921 1871.45 1871.78 Mm-hmm . 1871.78 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1879.914 1880.355 1879.93 1880.27 Sure . 1880.27 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1880.482 1881.114 1880.6 1880.97 Mm-mm . 1880.97 IN1008 B MIO099 1 1884.505 1886.442 1884.59 1886.25 You lose information . Um . 1886.02 1886.25 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1886.854 1887.502 1887.07 1887.42 Okay . 1887.42 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1889.13 1890.843 1889.13 1890.67 Okay , okay . 1890.46 1890.67 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1891.099 1894.722 1891.19 1894.722 Okay . But you don't have to do overlap . I mean uh it's um 1891.5 1893.1 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1895.461 1913.852 1895.52 1913.76 Yes , and then I just uh because uh we are using um uh an open s an open source framework to do this , there is uh something , I don't know if you know i know it , uh calls Sphinx , that is doing uh s sorry . 1895.68 1904.54 1906.3 1907.83 1910.78 1913.76 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1903.531 1903.971 1903.62 1903.87 Hmm . 1903.87 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1909.984 1916.691 1910.14 1916.57 Um C_M_U_ , no ? Is it from C_M_U_ ? Um uh yeah . 1912.44 1914.18 1915.61 1916.57 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1915.565 1937.898 1915.6 1937.898 Yes . Doing um voice recognition . And uh I just use it for the for the for the microphone and the acquisition . So uh there is uh already uh an F_F_T_ uh module implemented in it . I didn't test it . But um 1916.89 1921.09 1927.46 1932.99 1935.21 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1919.893 1920.716 1919.98 1920.62 Yeah , yeah . 1920.37 1920.62 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1926.754 1927.386 1926.84 1927.3 Right . 1927.3 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1932.116 1932.858 1932.18 1932.76 Yeah , yeah . 1932.53 1932.76 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1934.596 1935.028 1934.68 1934.95 Yeah . 1934.95 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1937.184 1949.919 1937.3 1949.919 F_F_T_ is only a tool . Uh um uh what we do release a phase domain analysis . We only use the phase between the microphones . Um 1938.47 1945.68 1949.04 IN1008 B MIO099 1 1939.222 1939.813 1939.38 1939.64 Yeah . 1939.64 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1939.486 1940.069 1939.56 1939.95 Yes , sure . 1939.73 1939.95 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1950.073 1953.249 1950.18 1953.15 Y yes , for the for the the position , . 1950.85 1953.15 1953.15 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1953.204 1954.908 1953.28 1954.73 Yeah , but also for detection . 1953.54 1954.73 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1955.332 1956.643 1955.39 1956.58 Also for detection . 1956.58 IN1008 D MIO018 3 1956.33 2003.125 1956.4 2002.93 Yeah . Um we have a way so um I don't think I should get into details . But basically the beginning is your signal which you slice into frame . You do F_F_T_ on each mic . And the end is um a number of uh frequency beams which are used by each person , to uh explain roughly . S so when you speak , speech is wide band . So um the more active you are the more band-width you use . So you will get a large value of band-width for people who speak . And uh for the others it will random . It will be a small value . 1957.95 1964.61 1968.69 1971.7 1981.85 1983.95 1986.2 1988.12 1994.1 1999.21 2001.78 2002.93 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1969.318 1969.817 1969.45 1969.68 Mm-hmm . 1969.68 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1983.877 1984.542 1983.9 1984.542 So you are - IN1008 C MIO101 2 1985.797 1986.305 1985.84 1986.23 Mm-hmm . 1986.23 IN1008 A MIO100 0 1987.618 1988.026 1987.71 1987.95 Mm-hmm . 1987.95 IN1008 C MIO101 2 1998.187 1998.778 1998.28 1998.69 Mm-hmm . 1998.69 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2003.552 2006.279 2003.61 2006.18 Corresponding to breath or a little noise . 2006.18 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2006.259 2011.323 2006.34 2011.323 Or just background noise . And so uh 2008.18 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2007.794 2008.251 2007.85 2008.14 'Kay . 2008.14 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2010.464 2011.645 2010.52 2011.59 'Kay , yes . Sure . Okay . 2010.69 2010.85 2011.33 2011.59 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2011.802 2015.269 2011.99 2015.19 But you're talking about the microphone array here ? 2015.19 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2014.835 2051.522 2014.93 2051.36 Yeah . 'Cause one problem if you use energy based methods , which is probably more uh the thing you've been using so far , is that it's not um quite related to location . So you can have um uh for one person you can have uh a high energy signal which is difficult to locate , and visa versa . Um I think in your case you're quite interested in the location . So I would advise to um use more uh phase domain methods . 2015.65 2019.0 2022.3 2027.49 2037.11 2039.13 2042.62 2051.36 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2019.375 2020.057 2019.52 2019.99 Yes . 2019.99 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2026.892 2027.266 2026.96 2027.15 No . 2027.15 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2029.798 2031.244 2029.92 2031.21 Strong background noise . 2031.21 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2052.209 2053.19 2052.23 2053.19 So phase - IN1008 D MIO018 3 2053.235 2054.283 2053.33 2054.283 Um - IN1008 B MIO099 1 2053.768 2056.134 2053.98 2055.97 Well that's something with F_F_T_s . 2055.97 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2056.122 2068.291 2056.19 2068.08 Once you have the fifty , for each frequency you have uh the magnitude and the phase . So you can compare the phase of the microphones . And this is directly linked to the direction of the person . 2057.54 2062.12 2064.98 2068.08 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2057.508 2058.132 2057.59 2058.07 Uh-huh . 2058.07 IN1008 B MIO099 1 2060.051 2061.375 2060.11 2060.98 And the phase . 2060.98 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2060.028 2060.643 2060.11 2060.6 Uh-huh . 2060.6 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2062.034 2062.325 2062.05 2062.26 Yes . 2062.26 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2062.208 2062.879 2062.42 2062.82 Okay . 2062.82 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2070.02 2071.119 2070.07 2071.119 Um - IN1008 B MIO099 1 2071.685 2076.35 2071.75 2076.35 So the magnitude you don't really use ? Or and for this uh 2073.82 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2075.397 2085.577 2075.54 2085.47 Sometimes we use it , but not it's not the first thing we use . I know it's a bit counterintuitive . But um maybe I'll go t to the board . Yeah . 2076.71 2079.77 2081.22 2085.22 2085.47 IN1008 B MIO099 1 2083.842 2098.03 2083.92 2098.03 Well uh uh uh I did a speech processing uh course and I'm not sure if they a uh they also um mm learns that that . We more used the face than the magnitude . So uh I guess the 2093.15 2095.04 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2085.114 2085.513 2085.16 2085.44 Okay . 2085.44 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2088.97 2089.386 2089.02 2089.31 Okay . 2089.31 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2095.849 2107.117 2095.92 2107.06 R right , for a single channel it's not very meaningful . But here it's relative phase between the microphones . So uh I'll just try to um s summarise . 2096.75 2099.81 2103.33 2107.06 IN1008 B MIO099 1 2103.285 2103.793 2103.34 2103.65 Uh-huh . 2103.65 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2105.909 2114.44 2106.03 2114.33 Y you have to detect uh an event on one microphone and uh know when it's happened on uh on the other one . No ? Okay . 2112.83 2113.97 2114.33 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2112.156 2128.269 2112.28 2128.21 No , that's what I don't do . Um this would be valid for uh like speech recognition with a single channel . That would be a very good idea . But if you choose to use multiple channels 2112.68 2114.61 2122.94 2125.44 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2129.666 2130.624 2129.8 2130.34 um - IN1008 D MIO018 3 2132.756 2134.291 2132.91 2134.17 let's say you have four of them , 2134.17 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2135.692 2142.843 2135.8 2142.73 with F_F_T_ you can just uh , as I said , l look at the phase between the microphones at a given frequency . 2138.24 2139.18 2142.73 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2143.275 2152.595 2143.55 2152.56 So the phase the time between uh audio signals for um for this microphone on this microph - IN1008 D MIO018 3 2150.65 2159.374 2150.79 2159.25 Um it is linked to this value , yeah . Uh basically the time you're mentioning is this value . 2153.72 2155.15 2159.25 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2153.876 2154.466 2153.95 2154.32 Okay . 2154.32 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2161.558 2165.441 2161.66 2165.32 And this is the frequency . And this is an angle in radians . 2163.63 2165.32 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2165.499 2165.889 2165.57 2165.81 Mm-hmm . 2165.81 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2165.949 2166.49 2166.01 2166.37 Okay . 2166.37 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2167.649 2171.515 2167.75 2171.43 So uh F_F_T_ gives you a measure of these values . 2171.43 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2173.93 2185.205 2174.08 2185.11 Uh this , I can point to a paper , uh I don't think this is the right place to explain everything . But will give you if you look at your table , uh what we have developed here 2175.36 2176.53 2178.97 2183.48 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2186.669 2192.525 2186.76 2192.39 is an approach where um th uh you divide the space in sectors . 2192.39 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2193.618 2194.117 2193.69 2193.94 Mm-hmm . 2193.94 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2194.255 2196.863 2194.36 2196.81 For example ten sectors around the table . 2196.81 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2196.668 2197.3 2196.77 2197.16 Mm-hmm . 2197.16 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2198.551 2199.765 2198.58 2199.48 And uh - IN1008 D MIO018 3 2201.131 2203.395 2201.22 2203.3 in each sector you will get the value . 2203.3 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2204.184 2207.635 2204.28 2207.52 It's related to the number of microphones around . No . 2207.32 2207.52 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2206.73 2213.155 2206.86 2213.155 No . It's uh application dependent . For example um 2207.8 2211.29 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2215.989 2217.112 2216.07 2216.92 Well this is not . 2216.92 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2219.326 2222.112 2219.43 2222.0 And on this one you could have a large value . 2222.0 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2223.692 2225.77 2223.76 2225.67 On on on those ones , small values . 2224.89 2225.67 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2227.555 2229.554 2227.66 2229.5 Uh these are number frequencies - IN1008 D MIO018 3 2231.387 2257.296 2231.47 2257.17 which we estimate with several steps from these measures . So to conclude what we are doing is uh we estimate how much of the frequency spectrum you are occupying when you speak , or I am occupying in this direction when I speak . And it turns out that um this is quite good to do uh detection and localization at the same time . 2236.94 2245.2 2248.95 2257.17 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2248.284 2248.758 2248.34 2248.67 Okay . 2248.67 IN1008 B MIO099 1 2248.463 2249.07 2248.56 2248.69 Mm-hmm . 2248.69 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2258.703 2259.352 2258.83 2259.12 Mm-hmm . 2259.12 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2258.736 2265.468 2258.91 2265.32 Bec because you know in a sector space there is uh uh this much activity . 2265.32 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2265.823 2266.364 2265.91 2266.25 Mm-hmm . 2266.25 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2266.523 2269.202 2266.62 2269.11 Okay , this is a measure of the activity o okay . 2266.85 2269.11 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2268.739 2271.808 2268.8 2271.66 Yeah , yeah . Um 2269.47 2270.87 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2273.155 2279.182 2273.25 2279.08 more recently um I've worked on uh - IN1008 D MIO018 3 2280.608 2296.284 2280.67 2296.15 um prolongating this with a more precise direction evaluation to know where in the sector the person is . So that uh that's not much work . Once you have done this , this is can be this can be done quite quickly . 2290.66 2293.18 2293.99 2296.15 IN1008 B MIO099 1 2297.005 2304.505 2297.07 2304.39 And what happen uh if two person are talking at the same time ? This it just get two sectors that are higher than others , no ? 2300.69 2304.08 2304.39 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2300.983 2301.748 2301.09 2301.748 Then you - IN1008 D MIO018 3 2303.17 2309.082 2303.23 2309.082 Yeah , y well I I use a value . But then you'll get two large values . Yeah . So 2303.53 2305.16 2307.81 2308.66 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2308.621 2315.63 2308.72 2315.46 And do you get something about the um distance of the guy that is talking , or just a direction ? 2314.21 2315.46 IN1008 B MIO099 1 2308.836 2309.749 2309.02 2309.37 Sounds . 2309.37 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2314.699 2316.972 2314.82 2316.85 No . Just direction . Yeah . 2315.43 2316.65 2316.85 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2316.772 2317.312 2316.96 2317.25 Okay . 2317.25 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2316.969 2321.283 2317.17 2321.15 Th there there is a distance . But it's not very uh very effective . 2318.42 2321.15 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2321.895 2338.412 2321.99 2338.24 Well , f yeah , I it's not uh i it's an inherent problem to the geometry you use . You can for example , if you use another array , uh you can intersect lines of direction . 2322.36 2323.82 2331.35 2332.33 2334.94 2338.24 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2323.085 2324.199 2323.17 2324.09 As as you mentioned . 2324.09 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2329.446 2329.962 2329.53 2329.962 It's - IN1008 C MIO101 2 2329.648 2330.171 2329.7 2330.08 Mm-mm . 2330.08 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2335.41 2336.0 2335.5 2335.86 Mm-hmm . 2335.86 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2338.521 2339.178 2338.69 2339.07 Okay . 2339.07 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2339.801 2351.964 2339.9 2351.82 And uh from from this kind of if information you can uh let's say have uh a finger print of the user to know uh if this is the same user speaking . 2351.82 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2351.914 2353.361 2351.914 2353.361 Uh - IN1008 A MIO100 0 2354.628 2355.069 2354.65 2355.069 So - IN1008 D MIO018 3 2356.09 2397.009 2356.18 2396.86 Mm maybe . Uh uh I w mm I wouldn't trust it too much . Classically , what you do is you extract the signal of the person . Um one interesting thing is that these numbers are not uh arbitrary things . They represent the number frequencies where a given person is dominant . But when you have two of them , which might be interesting for separation , you know already when you have done this processing uh w which part of the frequencies of the spectrum um belongs to this person and to that person . And then it's easy to separate the signals . 2358.88 2364.62 2365.19 2370.29 2375.49 2380.31 2382.02 2384.27 2394.84 2396.86 IN1008 B MIO099 1 2357.965 2359.641 2358.03 2359.641 Well uh uh - IN1008 A MIO100 0 2358.303 2360.523 2358.38 2360.523 Not sure . Because the the um 2358.76 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2369.664 2370.13 2369.76 2370.08 Okay . 2370.08 IN1008 B MIO099 1 2369.952 2370.7 2370.02 2370.35 Mm-hmm . 2370.35 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2387.429 2388.053 2387.53 2388.053 Which - IN1008 C MIO101 2 2397.377 2404.037 2397.49 2403.89 You mean that each person will have a specific frequency because i the way he's talking or his localization ? 2403.89 IN1008 B MIO099 1 2397.339 2398.287 2397.75 2398.07 Yeah . 2398.07 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2401.239 2402.96 2401.239 2402.8 range . 2402.8 IN1008 B MIO099 1 2403.652 2405.002 2403.78 2404.92 No , it's more than . 2404.02 2404.92 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2405.108 2407.435 2405.17 2407.21 Um both . 2407.21 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2406.107 2409.027 2406.15 2408.94 It's a kind of uh speaking styles ? Both . 2408.66 2408.94 IN1008 B MIO099 1 2408.762 2409.469 2408.88 2409.469 No , it's uh 2409.07 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2409.384 2415.349 2409.46 2415.24 It's it's more an instantaneous um this is still instantaneous . This is for one time frame . 2413.72 2415.24 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2412.438 2413.02 2412.438 2412.438 . 2412.438 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2416.678 2417.402 2416.75 2417.3 Yes , okay . 2417.01 2417.3 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2417.354 2421.877 2417.43 2421.77 If you look at all your frequencies for example uh zero to four kilohertz , 2421.77 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2423.372 2424.254 2423.41 2424.04 um - IN1008 D MIO018 3 2425.71 2433.299 2425.76 2433.2 you can split it and say uh all these parts belong to person one here . 2433.2 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2436.187 2439.594 2436.26 2439.56 And uh all the other parts belong to the other person . 2439.56 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2436.344 2436.828 2436.38 2436.828 So - IN1008 A MIO100 0 2438.926 2447.434 2439.0 2447.434 This is this is a bit arbitrary . Because uh perhaps uh person two will have uh some frequencies in the range of 2440.64 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2447.987 2457.297 2448.1 2457.17 That's correct . But then uh you can look statistically it wi it will be negligible um because the r of uh of the difference level . 2448.76 2457.17 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2453.403 2453.894 2453.48 2453.77 Okay . 2453.77 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2457.135 2463.688 2457.56 2463.688 And if you reconstruct the stream from this uh this range , you will uh get something uh that is uh 2461.09 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2463.251 2474.408 2463.35 2474.408 Yeah . It's uh you can listen to it , yeah . And then you can do some uh maybe higher level um analysis where you get the pitch of the person or 2463.79 2465.34 2466.08 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2465.523 2465.972 2465.61 2465.89 Okay . 2465.89 IN1008 B MIO099 1 2474.321 2475.003 2474.44 2474.79 Mm-hmm . 2474.79 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2474.443 2494.57 2474.8 2494.42 I don't really get your last uh diagram , yes . So it's at one given moment still ? Okay , so you can say that f this frequency belongs more to this person and this one more to this one ? But some frequency may maybe are not used neither by uh guy the guy one or the guy two . 2477.84 2478.33 2481.17 2481.84 2488.57 2494.42 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2477.044 2477.585 2477.1 2477.585 This - IN1008 D MIO018 3 2480.505 2482.517 2480.58 2482.517 Yeah , yeah . And this is 2480.98 2481.62 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2487.548 2488.138 2487.61 2488.08 Exactly . 2488.08 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2492.228 2492.643 2492.31 2492.5 Yeah . 2492.5 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2494.604 2501.733 2494.71 2501.6 Then it's uh random . And that's why you get these values uh which are random . 2497.14 2501.6 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2500.091 2504.819 2500.2 2504.75 Okay . maybe they are using the same frequency . so you need to s 2501.58 2503.83 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2503.628 2514.146 2503.73 2514.146 Yeah . Yeah , but this is very rare . And when it happens , one is always masking the other in practice . So um 2504.85 2505.07 2507.22 2508.95 2513.02 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2506.412 2506.936 2506.55 2506.85 Okay . 2506.85 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2510.789 2511.288 2510.84 2511.18 Okay . 2511.18 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2512.485 2512.968 2512.53 2512.92 Okay . 2512.92 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2514.325 2526.573 2514.41 2526.573 And can you detect if someone is laughing or angry d uh there is kind of signature uh even if we can't really trust it uh uh s one hundred percent of the time . Uh 2526.31 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2522.054 2522.835 2522.29 2522.72 Yeah . 2522.72 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2524.139 2537.482 2524.22 2537.32 No no . But uh I've I've seen quite a few papers I I've n not done it myself . I'm really on the lowest level . Um but uh once you have done this , as I said , 2524.58 2529.83 2532.93 2536.71 2537.32 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2538.955 2541.392 2539.03 2541.25 you can uh separate the signals - IN1008 D MIO018 3 2542.763 2543.912 2542.78 2543.73 and um - IN1008 C MIO101 2 2544.945 2547.232 2545.02 2547.09 And do processing on it . 2547.09 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2546.149 2548.659 2546.22 2548.5 do do processing . Uh 2548.14 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2549.824 2550.474 2549.96 2550.34 Okay . 2550.34 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2550.617 2566.835 2550.74 2566.76 so uh you can get pitch , rate of speech . That's quite easy . Pitch um the uh uh timbre en Francais . Um so uh for different person this might be quite different . At least for male females . 2553.27 2554.85 2555.66 2561.83 2565.54 2566.76 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2554.819 2555.551 2555.06 2555.46 Pitch . 2555.46 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2557.179 2558.074 2557.33 2557.83 It is pitch . 2557.83 IN1008 B MIO099 1 2557.989 2559.546 2558.09 2559.51 I'll show you this afterwards . 2559.51 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2560.681 2561.571 2560.78 2561.41 Li okay . 2561.41 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2568.426 2581.345 2568.55 2581.345 And uh rate of speech . Like if somebody is talking very uh in a very energetic manner , it might be quite fast . Uh or just energy also . One 2570.7 2574.25 2576.81 2580.86 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2575.85 2576.291 2575.96 2576.21 Mm-hmm . 2576.21 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2580.724 2590.026 2580.81 2590.026 And you can you can um this way you can filter uh perhaps some range that are uh just very low frequencies for uh perhaps uh a noise or - IN1008 D MIO018 3 2589.776 2597.394 2590.02 2597.394 Yeah , also . Um that might be an issue with people are bringing laptops . Um 2590.3 2591.71 2596.34 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2598.707 2600.611 2598.83 2600.51 The yes , the fan . 2600.12 2600.51 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2600.563 2618.273 2600.66 2618.23 They will b yeah . They might be detected as another another source . Uh so you would have to uh classify the sources as human or machine . But again , yeah , I think once you see the spectrum , if it's just pure and stable 2602.61 2606.32 2613.35 2614.28 2614.46 2616.26 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2612.285 2612.826 2612.41 2612.77 Okay . 2612.77 IN1008 B MIO099 1 2618.961 2627.905 2619.17 2627.19 Now if you don't really detect the pitch , ch can say that uh no persons . . 2621.76 2627.19 2627.19 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2619.708 2620.33 2619.76 2620.33 uh - IN1008 D MIO018 3 2623.731 2625.984 2623.83 2625.95 Also yeah , if if there's no pitch . 2624.65 2625.95 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2627.276 2628.033 2627.32 2628.033 So uh - IN1008 A MIO100 0 2627.451 2645.65 2627.54 2645.65 Yes , but but then this this is very interesting because uh this way you can detect uh if someone is talking , if someone uh has an uh some noise with uh perhaps putting his uh his cap on the on the table . Perhaps if there is a laptop and uh in one position 2627.76 2634.16 2642.12 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2629.94 2630.621 2630.14 2630.47 Yeah . 2630.47 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2641.73 2642.145 2641.81 2642.03 Yeah . 2642.03 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2645.657 2648.01 2645.74 2647.84 So all will go and be detected there . 2647.84 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2648.812 2651.043 2648.88 2651.043 And you can classif uh classify . And this is 2650.32 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2651.703 2689.939 2651.84 2689.81 Yeah . So w what you're mentioning is a pain for us . But for you it might be 'cause we're only interesting in getting the speech . But for you it might be quite uh quite good , yeah . So I've to avoid uh filtering and smoothing . 'Cause as soon as you do that um you exclude some of the information . So it's better to keep it for the latest stage . So um um on top of this there's another part uh which is more linked to the tracking . 2653.42 2656.9 2661.25 2664.29 2665.88 2670.97 2676.77 2681.21 2689.81 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2652.599 2654.328 2652.66 2654.25 Yes . She' very good . 2653.49 2654.25 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2661.982 2662.28 2662.0 2662.2 Okay . 2662.2 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2663.808 2664.143 2663.83 2664.11 Yes . 2664.11 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2676.196 2676.72 2676.27 2676.62 Yes . 2676.62 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2691.937 2694.0 2692.02 2693.82 All this was for one time frame . 2693.82 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2695.97 2697.324 2696.09 2697.324 So um - IN1008 A MIO100 0 2698.606 2705.971 2698.68 2705.971 And the the length of the time frame has um an inference of uh on uh which parameters - IN1008 D MIO018 3 2706.614 2732.426 2706.66 2732.426 Yeah , you can play with it . Um in speech it's uh stationary over ten , twenty millisecond . And we make a stationary assumption , a local stationary T_ assumption um which allows you to use F_F_T_ and blah , blah , blah . Uh now in spite of that I know some people use much longer windows , which is not a problem . But 2707.14 2708.36 2713.35 2715.51 2717.48 2723.63 2723.78 2725.41 2730.79 2732.13 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2724.419 2724.86 2724.46 2724.77 Okay . 2724.77 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2732.385 2736.692 2732.48 2736.52 Th there i uh let's say if you use a one second window . 2736.52 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2736.783 2738.486 2736.93 2738.35 Uh it's a bit too much I think . 2738.35 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2738.627 2746.435 2738.76 2746.35 Uh the in fact the the frame lengths will be uh very uh very uh i - IN1008 B MIO099 1 2744.78 2747.907 2744.95 2747.82 It's not really meaningful . Well if you do this . 2746.83 2747.82 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2748.322 2748.838 2748.44 2748.8 Yes . 2748.8 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2749.117 2755.898 2749.23 2755.83 Uh like some very small words , like yes , they might be two hundred millisecond 2751.64 2752.42 IN1008 B MIO099 1 2749.419 2750.01 2749.44 2749.79 Somehow . 2749.79 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2756.838 2757.312 2756.94 2757.27 Okay . 2757.27 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2757.225 2758.906 2757.33 2758.78 or three hundred millisecond . 2758.78 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2760.563 2761.428 2760.63 2761.428 Um - IN1008 A MIO100 0 2762.434 2766.697 2762.52 2766.36 They they won't be visible on the on the wavefo okay . 2766.36 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2764.659 2768.405 2764.75 2768.29 Yeah , they might be blurred with uh silence . 2765.82 2768.29 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2770.113 2770.572 2770.19 2770.49 Yes . 2770.49 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2771.083 2778.501 2771.15 2778.39 So yes . You you might have to play with it just to save processing time , like use slightly longer frames . 2772.81 2776.86 2778.39 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2779.035 2785.163 2779.14 2785.05 But the the the the long uh the longest frame you would use would be one hundred . 2785.05 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2785.467 2787.21 2785.54 2787.12 Yeah , at m at most , yeah . 2785.93 2786.87 2787.12 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2787.187 2788.371 2787.38 2788.3 At most , okay . 2787.97 2788.3 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2788.828 2789.643 2788.9 2789.643 Um - IN1008 D MIO018 3 2791.908 2799.305 2791.97 2799.17 Simply because I've used one hundred as a minimum length of a speech word . Yeah , so . 2798.4 2798.77 2799.17 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2797.28 2798.552 2797.39 2798.43 Okay , yes . 2798.09 2798.43 IN1008 B MIO099 1 2797.688 2798.295 2797.81 2798.25 Mm-hmm . 2798.25 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2800.86 2801.708 2800.96 2801.56 Um - IN1008 D MIO018 3 2803.003 2805.335 2803.13 2805.23 now assuming you have done this for each time , 2805.23 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2807.314 2810.7 2807.4 2810.7 i if this is your detail or I should use a different - IN1008 D MIO018 3 2812.005 2812.774 2812.22 2812.61 Um - IN1008 D MIO018 3 2814.017 2827.511 2814.07 2827.511 if this is your asymmet at each time you get a direction . So asymmet is your direction in horizontal plane . It's an angle . Like north , south , east , west . And 2819.41 2822.54 2823.97 2824.39 2825.13 2825.38 2827.04 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2817.733 2819.346 2817.733 2819.26 What is a ? Excuse me ? 2818.69 2819.26 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2822.43 2824.034 2822.49 2823.89 Uh-huh . Okay . 2823.63 2823.89 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2825.562 2830.254 2825.64 2830.13 Okay . So where are you represent the phase ? . 2826.95 2830.13 2830.13 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2828.965 2849.674 2829.12 2849.61 Yeah . No no , of this is uh really different . I'm just saying that uh once you have done this for a given time frame you can have a direction of the person , at least in terms of sector . And it's also possible to give a more precise direction quite quickly . 2829.57 2829.85 2834.62 2842.57 2844.95 2849.61 IN1008 B MIO099 1 2832.399 2835.393 2832.399 2835.35 Mm thanks . 2835.35 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2832.823 2833.347 2832.9 2833.22 Okay . 2833.22 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2833.249 2834.43 2833.249 2834.43 . 2834.43 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2837.302 2839.211 2837.32 2839.11 Uh-huh . Uh-huh . 2838.67 2839.11 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2841.496 2842.036 2841.52 2841.87 Okay . 2841.87 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2844.461 2845.01 2844.53 2844.89 Mm-hmm . 2844.89 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2851.486 2855.512 2851.67 2855.4 So uh this was kind of the lowest layer . 2855.4 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2855.791 2856.481 2855.87 2856.23 Mm-hmm . 2856.23 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2856.795 2864.075 2856.89 2863.99 Now this is a layer just above it which might interest you . Um if you repeat that over time 2860.73 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2865.339 2867.651 2865.42 2867.56 you will see patterns um - IN1008 D MIO018 3 2869.003 2871.98 2869.02 2871.88 for example uh at two different locations . 2871.88 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2876.243 2877.864 2876.34 2877.72 'Kay , so you can yeah . 2876.59 2877.72 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2877.338 2881.53 2877.43 2881.46 Two different person will speak . So you can cluster those . 2879.99 2881.46 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2879.386 2879.893 2879.5 2879.77 Okay . 2879.77 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2882.02 2883.542 2882.12 2883.542 Enter uh when user is - IN1008 D MIO018 3 2883.67 2895.969 2883.72 2895.91 And you will see that uh if it's long enough it's some significant event . Um this can be done quite cheaply , yeah . 2891.54 2895.7 2895.91 IN1008 C MIO101 2 2891.553 2892.401 2891.62 2892.24 Mm mm mm . 2892.24 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2896.798 2916.57 2896.98 2916.42 Uh yes . And before I forg forget it uh I have one question . Uh you say you do the processing after uh afterwards . And uh what is the the cost , yes , the the length ? One one or uh bit longer ? 2897.79 2902.48 2907.5 2911.59 2911.97 2913.66 2916.42 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2900.151 2900.534 2900.23 2900.4 Yeah . 2900.4 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2906.76 2907.417 2906.86 2907.23 Yeah . 2907.23 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2910.257 2910.979 2910.39 2910.84 A cost . 2910.84 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2912.885 2913.975 2912.98 2913.81 Yeah , th 2913.78 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2915.38 2920.593 2915.46 2920.593 Um well I use Matlab . So it's not perfect . It's like three , four 2917.58 2919.67 2920.27 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2918.155 2918.753 2918.25 2918.56 Okay . 2918.56 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2920.087 2924.496 2920.19 2924.496 Yes , but Matlab is very uh very effective for uh matrices and uh 2920.33 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2924.679 2938.488 2924.87 2938.38 Yeah . But not everything is uh um simple linear . Especially this part . It's definitely not linear because you're looking at a maximum energy in a frequency , kind of . 2925.24 2930.26 2932.55 2937.99 2938.38 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2929.12 2929.743 2929.29 2929.66 Okay . 2929.66 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2938.107 2938.556 2938.2 2938.52 Yes . 2938.52 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2940.226 2945.93 2940.51 2945.8 The most expensive part is here . With Matlab I have three , four times real time . 2942.46 2944.73 2945.8 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2946.455 2946.97 2946.52 2946.88 Okay . 2946.88 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2947.268 2973.059 2947.31 2972.72 Um you can do sub-optimal processing and uh for example here I'm considering all possible pairs of microphones , uh which is twenty eight , and the processing is directly um r proportional to that . So um you can save on that . 2958.32 2961.93 2968.21 2972.72 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2961.855 2962.496 2961.92 2962.42 Yes . 2962.42 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2964.915 2967.231 2964.98 2967.13 Relative , yes . Mm . 2966.2 2966.96 2967.13 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2974.556 2984.829 2974.58 2984.7 But then you lose a little bit on precision . Also I I'm using all the small frames with fifty percent overlap . I don't think you really need absolutely to do that . 2977.81 2981.84 2984.7 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2977.926 2978.899 2978.0 2978.899 Yes . 2978.81 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2984.82 2989.714 2984.92 2989.59 And even if you use uh four microphones to get uh not good . 2989.59 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2988.075 2990.867 2988.17 2990.69 It's not that good in terms of uh direction . 2990.69 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2991.032 2991.53 2991.12 2991.38 Okay . 2991.38 IN1008 D MIO018 3 2992.343 2993.141 2992.39 2993.141 Um - IN1008 D MIO018 3 2994.754 2999.468 2994.86 2999.42 Yeah , I would be careful with that . Like five , six is uh decent . 2994.99 2997.18 2997.66 2999.42 IN1008 A MIO100 0 2996.593 2997.059 2996.64 2996.98 Okay . 2996.98 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3001.138 3002.739 3001.25 3002.67 Uh six I would say , yeah . 3002.4 3002.67 IN1008 A MIO100 0 3003.968 3005.498 3004.02 3005.45 And eight is uh is good . 3005.45 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3006.1 3012.637 3006.21 3012.51 Eight , yeah , uh I get down now to one , two degrees uh root mean square error . 3006.67 3006.95 3009.0 3012.51 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3013.977 3019.473 3014.08 3019.473 Uh so you might not need that . That's what I mean . Might not be 3017.28 3018.18 IN1008 A MIO100 0 3014.792 3016.671 3014.91 3016.671 There i yes . But uh 3015.98 IN1008 A MIO100 0 3018.359 3018.733 3018.45 3018.68 Yeah . 3018.68 IN1008 A MIO100 0 3020.122 3043.158 3020.18 3043.158 Yes , one , two degree is very very small for uh for our application . Because we want we really want to detect uh if th this is the same person that is speaking or not . If there is uh an error of uh let's say uh ten , fifteen degrees and but uh it is um capable of uh seeing it as two different person . There is not problems with the 3020.43 3020.6 3024.41 3030.83 3034.85 3041.26 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3023.424 3024.297 3023.48 3024.297 Um - IN1008 D MIO018 3 3027.698 3028.139 3027.82 3027.99 Yeah . 3027.99 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3030.692 3031.124 3030.78 3031.03 Yeah . 3031.03 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3036.09 3036.514 3036.19 3036.39 Yeah . 3036.39 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3042.035 3052.054 3042.13 3052.054 Yeah . Yeah . So it could be sufficient to uh , yeah , define enough sectors and 3043.2 3044.24 3048.73 3049.01 IN1008 A MIO100 0 3052.31 3058.072 3052.52 3058.0 Okay , and the number of sectors is uh is not dependent of uh the number of microphones ? 3052.87 3058.0 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3056.639 3069.404 3056.75 3069.404 No . No . So it's arbitrary . I use twenty degree sectors . Uh 'cause I had to choose a value . But it's up to you . Um 3057.75 3059.06 3060.41 3062.99 3065.76 3068.69 IN1008 A MIO100 0 3063.072 3063.588 3063.12 3063.51 Okay . 3063.51 IN1008 B MIO099 1 3070.546 3082.567 3070.63 3082.567 Well , otherwise it could also just rely on the frequency band separation and detect that way the different persons and th then you don't really know where around the table these . But uh 3070.81 3082.01 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3078.491 3079.821 3078.58 3079.66 Yeah . Yeah . 3079.39 3079.66 IN1008 A MIO100 0 3083.376 3086.419 3083.49 3086.26 If there is uh two two person the same sector , I see . 3085.97 3086.26 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3083.404 3084.443 3083.57 3084.443 Um - IN1008 B MIO099 1 3087.961 3095.602 3088.02 3095.602 Well d depends with how you do it . But if if you place the the microphones uh n yeah . Uh 3091.06 3095.44 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3093.365 3099.811 3093.64 3099.811 So that's another way , yeah . It it's almost like having a lapel , yeah . Um 3094.52 3095.37 3097.93 3099.04 IN1008 B MIO099 1 3099.555 3106.571 3099.65 3106.09 That way you can separate where where is the the voice loud with uh or the loudest . 3106.09 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3102.791 3103.332 3102.99 3103.22 Yeah . 3103.22 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3104.928 3108.961 3105.11 3108.961 I think it's not necessarily a bad idea , actually . Um 3107.29 3108.21 IN1008 B MIO099 1 3108.566 3112.674 3108.7 3112.674 Well it's quite different thing and uh you don't really get uh a name for it . But uh 3112.05 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3113.49 3114.918 3113.49 3114.918 Well uh - IN1008 D MIO018 3 3116.539 3125.812 3116.61 3125.71 If you are able to calibrate your microphones um the ones who are closer to the person will get more energy . 3125.71 IN1008 A MIO100 0 3126.799 3127.231 3126.88 3127.17 Mm-hmm . 3127.17 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3127.408 3133.402 3127.49 3133.402 Um so you can compare that . It's possible . So 3131.03 3132.71 IN1008 B MIO099 1 3132.346 3135.705 3132.54 3135.705 At the end it it depends a bit what you want . If you are 3135.09 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3136.315 3137.729 3136.41 3137.67 Yeah . Um 3137.13 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3139.005 3141.932 3139.1 3141.81 I have experience with that . Um 3141.16 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3143.555 3149.251 3143.555 3149.18 on the side I've done some single channel work which can maybe help . 3149.18 IN1008 A MIO100 0 3147.081 3147.514 3147.17 3147.37 Mm-hmm . 3147.37 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3150.731 3156.615 3150.82 3156.52 Um 'cause uh it seems to me that you are not definite on the geometry , right ? 3155.96 3156.52 IN1008 A MIO100 0 3156.24 3161.963 3156.33 3161.69 No . Geometry is not . We have not uh thought a lot about it . 3157.76 3158.73 3161.69 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3160.42 3160.853 3160.49 3160.75 Yeah . 3160.75 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3162.354 3172.963 3162.44 3172.87 Um m this part is quite specific to a microphone array where like they are concentrated in uh some place , like in the middle of the table . 3171.69 3172.87 IN1008 A MIO100 0 3173.26 3173.834 3173.33 3173.73 Yes . 3173.73 IN1008 C MIO101 2 3173.794 3181.186 3174.16 3181.12 Because if we are distributing the microphone all around the table , then we come back to the energy solution ? Is it what you say ? 3177.6 3180.27 3181.12 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3177.371 3177.878 3177.47 3177.82 Yeah . 3177.82 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3180.13 3186.362 3180.24 3186.362 Yeah . Yeah . But you can kind of come back to that also . Um 3180.88 3181.46 3185.74 IN1008 C MIO101 2 3186.05 3189.154 3186.05 3189.01 With the energy dissolution or with uh F_F_T_ too ? 3189.01 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3189.549 3191.578 3189.65 3191.48 Uh F_F_T_ also . Yeah , yeah . 3190.95 3191.21 3191.48 IN1008 A MIO100 0 3189.777 3190.467 3189.9 3190.35 F_F_T_ . 3190.35 IN1008 C MIO101 2 3190.709 3191.258 3190.81 3191.13 Okay . 3191.13 IN1008 A MIO100 0 3193.564 3200.389 3193.7 3200.27 But th uh uh I think what is very important here is the synchronization of the microphones . Right . 3200.08 3200.27 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3199.12 3203.515 3199.21 3203.47 R right . Yeah , yeah . It has to be as good as possible . 3199.86 3200.15 3200.61 3203.47 IN1008 A MIO100 0 3201.843 3238.176 3201.94 3238.176 Okay , um uh I'm speaking about it because uh we wanted uh to do this table in uh a mid-tech way , let's say a cheap way . To have not uh very expensive tables . So I don't know if um uh what I've seen w on our website was uh that the this installation was uh a bit expensive . Uh but I'm trying to uh to to to see what is very important and uh what is not uh for 3202.48 3213.3 3216.08 3218.75 3228.84 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3215.358 3215.973 3215.46 3215.86 Yeah . 3215.86 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3227.468 3230.967 3227.68 3230.967 Yeah . True . 3229.36 3230.58 IN1008 C MIO101 2 3230.019 3232.422 3230.019 3232.39 But there are many many things . 3232.39 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3232.804 3233.345 3232.92 3233.19 Yeah . 3233.19 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3237.419 3275.982 3237.52 3275.982 We can also consider directional microphones . You know no . Um so you can uh their pattern is uh not uh the same uh depending on the direction where the person is . So for example if there was a directional microphone pointing there you would get most of my energy but less from you , et cetera . You can also do microphone arrays with directional microphones . Uh um might not be relevant . But um 3241.44 3243.33 3255.51 3264.04 3265.23 3269.96 3274.11 IN1008 A MIO100 0 3240.886 3241.352 3240.93 3241.29 Yes . 3241.29 IN1008 C MIO101 2 3244.596 3246.084 3244.78 3246.084 The difference between the - IN1008 C MIO101 2 3255.476 3256.266 3255.57 3256.2 Mm-hmm . 3256.2 IN1008 A MIO100 0 3262.892 3263.4 3263.0 3263.35 Sure . 3263.35 IN1008 C MIO101 2 3263.595 3265.042 3263.7 3264.94 Mm mm yeah . 3264.94 IN1008 A MIO100 0 3268.821 3271.523 3268.88 3271.523 Yes , sh I think you have to uh to uh 3269.33 IN1008 C MIO101 2 3275.899 3284.963 3275.99 3284.963 What would be the difference ? You will not compare each mic with uh all the other one . But just comparing this one with the 3277.43 3282.78 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3282.765 3284.046 3282.96 3284.046 Uh - IN1008 D MIO018 3 3288.128 3295.359 3288.24 3295.16 More or less . It's it depends on what you want . I mean uh I don't know . Yeah . 3288.93 3291.37 3294.78 3295.16 IN1008 C MIO101 2 3290.386 3301.49 3290.51 3301.39 Mm okay . Okay . But what are uh-uh . So what are this mic for instance , the electret mic . Omni-directional ? Electret ? 3291.83 3292.61 3295.35 3297.49 3299.11 3300.89 3301.39 IN1008 A MIO100 0 3290.796 3292.924 3290.796 3292.69 It sh - IN1008 B MIO099 1 3291.163 3295.154 3291.163 3295.154 I guess it's completely other approach . So uh 3294.28 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3297.787 3300.955 3298.01 3300.86 They're o yeah , omni-directional , yeah . 3299.87 3300.66 3300.86 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3302.243 3305.573 3302.37 3305.52 M uh I guess so . 3305.52 IN1008 C MIO101 2 3303.791 3304.323 3303.93 3304.21 Okay . 3304.21 IN1008 A MIO100 0 3304.806 3311.117 3304.806 3311.0 These are these are um some kinds of uh and this one . Yes . Okay . 3310.25 3310.69 3311.0 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3309.24 3315.361 3309.42 3315.21 It's the same , yeah . Exactly the same , yeah . Yeah . Yeah , yeah . Quite expensive . 3309.93 3310.25 3310.97 3311.45 3312.63 3313.11 3314.49 3315.21 IN1008 B MIO099 1 3311.26 3312.15 3311.31 3312.08 Expensive ? 3312.08 IN1008 B MIO099 1 3313.636 3316.937 3313.636 3316.6 Ca can you uh say a number ? 3316.6 IN1008 A MIO100 0 3313.707 3319.337 3313.86 3319.337 Expensive . Because because uh of the quality of the the 3314.81 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3318.211 3321.505 3318.32 3321.41 Yeah , they are um high quality mics . 3318.83 3321.41 IN1008 A MIO100 0 3321.748 3325.029 3321.81 3325.029 And they are plug in the on the X_L_R_ ? Or uh 3324.4 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3325.554 3330.369 3325.67 3330.369 Uh I think we can leave this question for Olivier . 3330.31 IN1008 C MIO101 2 3328.286 3330.074 3328.42 3330.074 Yes . 3329.76 IN1008 B MIO099 1 3328.658 3330.147 3328.73 3330.147 Okay . 3329.78 IN1008 A MIO100 0 3328.861 3329.974 3328.89 3329.86 Yes , . 3329.86 3329.86 IN1008 A MIO100 0 3331.136 3333.837 3331.16 3333.79 Okay , for the our we'll we we'll uh . 3331.4 3333.79 IN1008 C MIO101 2 3332.606 3342.676 3332.95 3342.56 And when you were talking about comparing energy in the case where a microphone would be distributed all around the table , uh you're comparing energy and the time delay ? 3339.18 3342.56 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3338.811 3339.243 3338.88 3339.1 Yeah . 3339.1 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3343.112 3347.055 3343.17 3347.055 No , no . Y you would uh assume 3343.78 3344.77 IN1008 C MIO101 2 3346.218 3351.17 3346.34 3351.06 Because time delay is is too short to be compared or can be neglected ? 3351.06 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3351.661 3377.354 3352.04 3377.07 Uh you would neglect it . The time delay is is very small . It it's only used for uh getting the a direction when you have a microphone array . But in that case it's not relevant . Um you would assume that they are roughly synchronised , not necessarily very precisely , and um compare the energy levels . But I have no experience with that . 3353.9 3355.6 3361.92 3364.86 3368.51 3371.28 3375.69 3377.07 IN1008 C MIO101 2 3361.088 3361.562 3361.16 3361.51 Okay . 3361.51 IN1008 A MIO100 0 3370.215 3370.722 3370.32 3370.56 Mm-hmm . 3370.56 IN1008 C MIO101 2 3377.103 3378.242 3377.14 3378.14 Okay , okay . Yeah . 3377.41 3377.87 3378.14 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3378.873 3379.522 3378.94 3379.522 Um - IN1008 D MIO018 3 3381.511 3384.99 3381.6 3384.86 Now I don't know , you don't want to use ah , it's almost okay . 3382.16 3383.43 3384.86 IN1008 A MIO100 0 3384.95 3386.006 3385.02 3385.77 Let's have a break . 3385.77 IN1008 D MIO018 3 3386.196 3386.654 3386.31 3386.48 Yes . 3386.48 IN1008 C MIO101 2 3386.17 3388.41 3386.33 3388.12 It's time . Cool . 3387.93 3388.12 IN1008 B MIO099 1 3386.948 3387.615 3386.948 3387.615 . 3387.615 IN1009 B MIO099 1 32.736 34.973 32.76 34.73 Okay . 34.73 IN1009 C MIO101 2 35.111 36.676 35.46 35.97 Okay . 35.97 IN1009 D MIO018 3 35.575 39.272 35.67 39.272 So b maybe I'll go back to your questions . Um 38.58 IN1009 C MIO101 2 37.938 38.627 38.04 38.53 Yes . 38.53 IN1009 B MIO099 1 38.241 38.794 38.34 38.59 Mm-hmm . 38.59 IN1009 C MIO101 2 40.576 49.6 40.6 49.57 So you were talking about the two first question ? Okay . And a little bit about same people moving , with the clustering . 44.22 44.83 48.74 49.57 IN1009 D MIO018 3 42.784 43.143 42.8 43.08 Yeah . 43.08 IN1009 D MIO018 3 44.751 45.628 44.87 45.628 Um - IN1009 D MIO018 3 47.924 48.342 47.98 48.3 Yeah . 48.3 IN1009 D MIO018 3 50.24 55.168 50.26 55.08 And this also um allows you to separate people . 55.08 IN1009 C MIO101 2 55.844 56.544 55.96 56.37 Uh-huh . 56.37 IN1009 D MIO018 3 57.466 67.584 57.57 67.584 Um and the questions I did not talk about was uh going from location to uh identity of the person . Um 66.95 IN1009 D MIO018 3 69.984 91.849 69.984 91.7 That is quite different , you you need to use a signal you have separated and uh do the type of analysis I mentioned . Um from the spectrum you can transform the the magnitude spectrum and um um build model of the person . 71.34 80.74 91.7 IN1009 A MIO100 0 93.382 93.839 93.46 93.67 Mm-hmm . 93.67 IN1009 D MIO018 3 93.632 94.139 93.65 94.139 Um - IN1009 B MIO099 1 93.918 103.911 94.09 103.74 Or actually look at the pitch , no ? Don't ask me how it's done I I know the theory , so , yeah . 97.06 97.24 102.15 103.29 103.74 IN1009 C MIO101 2 94.345 95.295 94.42 95.11 So this one . 95.11 IN1009 D MIO018 3 96.016 98.836 96.04 98.836 Yeah , pitch at least . But pitch is 96.29 98.1 IN1009 D MIO018 3 100.483 103.915 100.55 103.77 Pitch isn't is not enough sometimes . 103.77 IN1009 A MIO100 0 103.278 108.498 103.42 108.498 Actually uh you can t perhaps just uh just - IN1009 B MIO099 1 105.491 111.344 105.82 111.344 Isn't it the pitch and the frequency ? The base frequency of the 107.67 IN1009 D MIO018 3 109.425 116.094 109.54 116.094 I it's a frequency , yeah , yeah . It's a frequency of your vibration here . Uh 110.58 110.96 111.6 115.29 IN1009 A MIO100 0 115.292 119.113 115.42 119.113 Th there is one frequency that is the base from for uh - IN1009 D MIO018 3 118.25 122.676 118.34 122.62 Yeah . And then it's transformed through the mouth , that's the usual model . 119.12 121.43 122.62 IN1009 B MIO099 1 122.924 130.075 123.01 130.0 And if you have both you can um well , you can compare this to to one stored and so get out uh which person it is . Pardon ? 125.06 129.72 130.0 IN1009 A MIO100 0 123.04 123.641 123.06 123.38 Okay . 123.38 IN1009 A MIO100 0 128.088 132.368 128.14 132.33 Both . Mm the pitch and uh and the freque 129.8 IN1009 C MIO101 2 131.36 131.791 131.42 131.63 What ? 131.63 IN1009 B MIO099 1 133.056 137.886 133.08 137.55 And uh well , the things that make the sou the voice . 134.7 137.55 IN1009 A MIO100 0 136.59 140.4 136.61 140.4 Okay , s and you can measure measure that ? Or 137.24 139.7 IN1009 D MIO018 3 136.608 137.165 136.63 136.96 Yeah . 136.96 IN1009 D MIO018 3 139.581 153.487 139.7 153.487 I yeah , um it's not necessarily done explicitly , but it's equivalent to that , yeah . So again , F_F_T_ is useful to do this type of analysis . Um 140.95 144.95 146.52 147.69 148.24 152.68 IN1009 B MIO099 1 139.968 140.353 139.99 140.23 Yeah . 140.23 IN1009 C MIO101 2 151.888 166.256 152.63 166.22 I'm sorry , I didn't really get the point of comparing the pitch the pitch is the is the frequency that is okay . And the way you transform it uh v by the mouth ? You were comparing what with what ? 153.09 161.06 164.81 166.22 IN1009 D MIO018 3 157.869 161.136 157.97 161.136 Yeah , but it's quite personal . Uh 158.37 160.48 IN1009 D MIO018 3 163.919 164.272 163.99 164.23 Yeah . 164.23 IN1009 B MIO099 1 165.136 175.895 165.32 175.81 And and the the holes in your head , everything , the the nose and so on , and that's that's really uh unique for ev well almost unique for every person , so . 168.37 168.9 170.76 175.5 175.81 IN1009 C MIO101 2 169.465 170.812 169.56 170.65 Uh-huh , okay , okay . 169.92 170.3 170.65 IN1009 D MIO018 3 170.35 170.778 170.45 170.63 Yeah . 170.63 IN1009 C MIO101 2 172.294 173.119 172.33 173.119 So uh - IN1009 C MIO101 2 175.046 178.074 175.13 177.95 And you were talking about comparing what with what ? 177.95 IN1009 B MIO099 1 178.035 190.994 178.1 190.61 Well once you get this information , your frequency and uh your vocal contract or how it's called , uh y you can use this information to compare to to to the frames here . 180.06 185.87 190.61 IN1009 D MIO018 3 183.872 184.948 183.89 184.82 Yeah , yeah . 184.53 184.82 IN1009 C MIO101 2 185.879 186.192 185.94 186.16 Okay . 186.16 IN1009 C MIO101 2 189.506 194.214 189.56 193.99 But you want to have the information because the the mouth , you move it . 193.28 193.99 IN1009 D MIO018 3 194.646 204.519 194.8 204.519 It it's an information equivalent to that . It's maybe n you don't need to do the whole uh complicated modelling , but 197.58 204.13 IN1009 B MIO099 1 194.928 195.664 194.95 195.664 No , but 195.23 IN1009 C MIO101 2 204.108 208.67 204.26 208.67 To scan t all the user . 207.97 IN1009 B MIO099 1 206.16 221.424 206.18 221.424 No no no no . That that that everything is done through through the voice here , you take a voice of someone , and then you can get out this information , it's it's not p it's clear it's not perfect , but s it's enough to to to use it for for different purposes and uh 207.32 210.31 211.69 213.54 215.66 IN1009 D MIO018 3 206.864 207.472 207.18 207.472 No , no . 207.36 207.44 IN1009 C MIO101 2 211.714 212.294 211.82 212.19 Okay . 212.19 IN1009 C MIO101 2 219.568 226.208 219.59 226.208 Okay , so you have the p the pitch and you have information about the voice dynamic or 219.85 IN1009 D MIO018 3 226.035 245.054 226.2 244.87 Yeah , rate of speech is also possibility . Um how fast you speak , that's quite personal also . But it varies over time , um depending on emotion . That also might be interesting for you , detecting emotion . 226.88 230.72 234.31 236.74 238.57 242.13 243.87 244.87 IN1009 A MIO100 0 229.926 230.458 229.99 230.34 Okay . 230.34 IN1009 C MIO101 2 240.428 241.198 240.51 241.05 Mm mm mm . 241.05 IN1009 C MIO101 2 245.254 251.568 245.32 251.568 Emotion , the involvement in a discussion . If you are saying oh yeah yeah we should 245.86 247.86 IN1009 D MIO018 3 247.328 248.197 247.35 247.97 Yeah , yeah . 247.8 247.97 IN1009 D MIO018 3 249.067 254.88 249.067 254.85 And us yeah , yeah , so these measures are a way to quantify that . 251.58 251.98 254.85 IN1009 C MIO101 2 256.059 256.706 256.15 256.56 Okay . 256.56 IN1009 A MIO100 0 256.113 260.111 256.23 260.111 And i is it uh expensive to do , 260.06 IN1009 C MIO101 2 260.321 261.48 260.41 261.38 In C_P_U_ you mean ? 261.38 IN1009 B MIO099 1 260.347 265.216 260.56 265.18 Um not not that , well uh as far as I know . Actual 261.98 264.96 IN1009 D MIO018 3 260.393 264.462 260.56 264.4 Uh p no . No , no it's not . 263.49 263.8 264.4 IN1009 A MIO100 0 264.336 270.086 264.49 269.91 But in fact if y you speak of uh a lot of things that are not expensive , at the end you have uh something that is . 268.45 269.91 IN1009 D MIO018 3 266.464 303.792 266.48 303.792 What w w what is m what is more expensive is to um take the decision finally . So your decision can be for example uh who is it , or if the person moved , which is probably the most complicated thing , like the person goes away , then comes back ten minutes later , sits at a different place . Uh you will need to build statistical models of um the person identity using these measures . So the ones um he mentioned um 275.6 278.52 282.43 285.17 286.35 287.93 290.92 299.29 IN1009 D MIO018 3 305.568 307.733 305.59 307.63 I don't know if you're familiar with that . 307.63 IN1009 B MIO099 1 307.744 318.956 307.79 318.9 Is it called P_C_M_ ? I thi um well it's it's not a technology s yeah . It's more or less used this to compress audio . I have to I want to check it , I can show it you afterwards . 309.19 312.9 316.31 317.44 318.9 IN1009 D MIO018 3 312.963 313.741 313.0 313.58 Yeah . 313.58 IN1009 D MIO018 3 315.755 316.319 315.85 316.15 Yeah . 316.15 IN1009 D MIO018 3 319.616 320.428 319.64 320.428 So um - IN1009 C MIO101 2 320.72 321.826 320.77 321.73 Not really familiar . 321.73 IN1009 B MIO099 1 322.923 344.108 322.923 344.108 well I did a course about it , but uh I shouldn't say it too loud , because um the professor is working here at IDIAP . I should reread what I signed there so . 325.0 329.39 332.96 343.8 IN1009 D MIO018 3 323.299 324.124 323.44 323.73 No . 323.73 IN1009 C MIO101 2 324.058 328.882 324.19 328.73 Hmm . Okay , so you are the expert . 327.1 327.49 328.73 IN1009 A MIO100 0 325.891 326.266 325.98 326.14 Hmm . 326.14 IN1009 D MIO018 3 332.544 340.0 332.544 339.91 Yeah . 339.91 IN1009 C MIO101 2 336.027 337.583 336.09 337.48 Careful , you are recorded . 336.55 337.48 IN1009 C MIO101 2 339.587 340.474 339.69 340.41 Okay . 340.41 IN1009 D MIO018 3 341.897 342.698 342.12 342.56 S - IN1009 C MIO101 2 342.976 345.888 343.0 345.85 Okay , so all this stuff is done from the F_F_T_ . 343.19 345.85 IN1009 D MIO018 3 346.16 346.507 346.18 346.47 Yeah . 346.47 IN1009 A MIO100 0 347.403 350.18 347.45 350.18 So you have to do F_F_T_ , because otherwise 348.82 IN1009 C MIO101 2 350.116 354.32 350.2 354.32 Also location to identity . Uh 352.7 IN1009 D MIO018 3 354.749 375.118 354.749 374.95 All I was saying is that these different measures are a way to uh evaluate the identity of the person . So if with location all you can do is extract segments of speech , for example , but it will not tell you that these are the same person . It's just a location . 362.76 368.18 369.73 373.8 374.95 IN1009 C MIO101 2 357.796 358.475 357.91 358.27 Mm-hmm . 358.27 IN1009 C MIO101 2 361.168 361.61 361.19 361.49 Okay . 361.49 IN1009 A MIO100 0 362.248 362.864 362.38 362.61 Mm-hmm . 362.61 IN1009 C MIO101 2 369.043 369.565 369.09 369.41 Mm-hmm . 369.41 IN1009 C MIO101 2 374.657 381.536 374.79 381.47 But to get a cluster the location that is uh a place where uh noise is regularly coming from . 381.47 IN1009 D MIO018 3 377.316 377.891 377.37 377.78 Yeah . 377.78 IN1009 D MIO018 3 379.206 379.811 379.28 379.43 Yeah . 379.43 IN1009 D MIO018 3 381.584 390.112 381.6 390.08 Yeah , so that might be good for example for ten minutes , but then the person might move , or a different person might come . 381.9 385.91 387.65 390.08 IN1009 C MIO101 2 385.496 386.113 385.61 386.01 Mm-hmm . 386.01 IN1009 C MIO101 2 387.881 388.64 387.99 388.52 Mm mm mm . 388.52 IN1009 C MIO101 2 390.416 395.362 390.44 395.24 But for instance for a setting like uh here it would be enough , because we are not moving . 394.26 395.24 IN1009 D MIO018 3 393.23 393.668 393.27 393.55 Yeah . 393.55 IN1009 D MIO018 3 395.248 400.014 395.27 399.96 It is . Well , unless sometimes somebody goes there or yeah . 396.38 397.24 399.96 IN1009 C MIO101 2 399.504 413.136 399.52 413.136 Okay , right . But we are uh targeting a place where we don't know i where it will be more flexible , so we need more than just uh location if we want to uh 399.71 401.2 407.49 IN1009 A MIO100 0 400.56 402.155 400.65 401.19 Yes . 401.19 IN1009 D MIO018 3 407.728 408.235 407.79 408.14 Yeah . 408.14 IN1009 A MIO100 0 414.175 415.131 414.24 415.131 Yes , but it 414.62 IN1009 B MIO099 1 414.704 435.321 414.72 435.21 Well uh it I'm even not sure if it's that important to know which person is talking , because uh if uh if it I think about a table , or so something uh physical , uh you just want to know in in which corner of the table uh speech is coming and not uh which person produced the speech , so . 419.89 424.02 426.47 434.79 435.21 IN1009 D MIO018 3 415.829 416.309 415.94 416.16 Mm-hmm . 416.16 IN1009 C MIO101 2 424.386 424.97 424.54 424.85 Mm-mm . 424.85 IN1009 D MIO018 3 426.181 426.609 426.28 426.47 Yeah . 426.47 IN1009 C MIO101 2 430.33 432.021 430.46 432.021 I agree . Maybe just 431.09 IN1009 A MIO100 0 430.738 431.928 430.8 431.89 I it it is im - IN1009 D MIO018 3 433.284 433.616 433.39 433.58 Yeah . 433.58 IN1009 A MIO100 0 434.151 450.595 434.34 450.595 It i it yes , it is important for detecting patterns . Because uh if you say uh let's say uh w how much the person um have spoken over the the five last minutes , uh 436.11 439.22 450.0 IN1009 D MIO018 3 440.892 441.486 440.91 441.28 Yeah . 441.28 IN1009 B MIO099 1 449.602 455.456 449.76 455.456 Yeah , but it's not really related to the ah , yeah , I see it's uh you need a bit both uh 449.92 452.57 452.75 IN1009 D MIO018 3 452.395 454.032 452.47 454.0 So it hmm . 454.0 IN1009 A MIO100 0 454.227 456.409 454.36 456.31 Uh if someone come and yes . 456.31 IN1009 D MIO018 3 456.432 460.967 456.54 460.82 But that you can do with location , if it's only on the short term . 459.32 460.82 IN1009 A MIO100 0 461.343 464.182 461.43 464.08 Yes , yes . Y 462.46 463.94 IN1009 C MIO101 2 462.794 467.471 462.89 467.471 I think it may it may be okay , but it depends how long 464.99 IN1009 D MIO018 3 466.08 486.218 466.1 486.218 On on the off-line yeah . I would say you might use these measures in a simple way if you do it uh on-line . Like um to give feedback . But uh you you mentioned that another side of your project is also to analyse off-line . So there you might want to use a 468.36 475.28 478.49 484.24 IN1009 C MIO101 2 483.551 483.906 483.64 483.81 Hmm . 483.81 IN1009 A MIO100 0 486.45 489.571 486.47 489.5 This is uh mm . 489.5 IN1009 D MIO018 3 488.096 516.058 488.28 515.95 We had a student here , he finished uh one or two years ago , but he left his software , and his software is precisely to do that to um cluster at uh another level , to cluster these small clusters of speech , uh group them by person automatically . Y no , from the these measures , pitch , etcetera . 489.77 492.29 494.88 503.57 507.5 511.88 512.91 515.1 515.4 515.95 IN1009 C MIO101 2 510.455 511.917 510.48 511.83 From th from the location . 511.83 IN1009 C MIO101 2 514.522 515.086 514.62 514.98 Oh . 514.98 IN1009 A MIO100 0 517.585 526.991 517.7 526.9 Okay . So i uh this is only based on uh you give uh the spectrum and uh uh okay . 519.55 526.9 IN1009 D MIO018 3 517.697 518.846 517.79 518.846 So um - IN1009 B MIO099 1 518.496 519.71 518.87 519.36 Sound . 519.36 IN1009 D MIO018 3 525.563 559.981 525.67 559.82 Yeah , exactly . So I would say from location at the lower level you can get small parts of speech , and then at the next level , possibly off-line , you can uh group them into um a speech segment . I'm hoping to have enough time to try um doing that before I finish my thesis . Um so if I manage to do some um uh practically usable software , I'll tell you . 526.04 527.55 534.18 535.58 537.13 543.47 552.3 559.22 559.82 IN1009 A MIO100 0 533.571 534.02 533.71 533.91 Mm-hmm . 533.91 IN1009 A MIO100 0 551.279 551.739 551.35 551.61 Yes . 551.61 IN1009 C MIO101 2 560.037 562.334 560.14 562.334 Mm-hmm . When are you planning to finish your 560.74 IN1009 D MIO018 3 562.464 565.12 562.48 565.09 Uh in five , six months , abou approximately . 563.33 563.95 565.09 IN1009 C MIO101 2 563.873 564.654 564.07 564.57 Okay . 564.57 IN1009 A MIO100 0 566.496 569.025 566.52 569.025 But uh the last ones are always the - IN1009 C MIO101 2 570.501 572.192 570.6 572.06 More extensible . 572.06 IN1009 A MIO100 0 572.761 574.421 572.85 574.33 Mm not really . 574.33 IN1009 D MIO018 3 575.696 577.632 575.72 577.632 More busy I would say . 577.29 IN1009 C MIO101 2 576.608 577.006 576.608 576.85 Mm . 576.85 IN1009 A MIO100 0 576.63 577.256 576.76 577.18 Mm yes . 577.18 IN1009 D MIO018 3 579.369 579.68 579.46 579.65 Yeah . 579.65 IN1009 D MIO018 3 581.712 590.005 581.73 589.91 So you said you want to do separation , um but ex exactly , yeah . 584.43 589.37 589.91 IN1009 C MIO101 2 587.583 600.831 587.72 600.7 I don't know how mu maybe we would be more interested to know that it's not the same people , more than knowing that it's the same people . Or to detect that someone is more that was not talking before is talking now . 593.22 595.5 600.7 IN1009 D MIO018 3 593.166 593.636 593.24 593.45 Yeah . 593.45 IN1009 D MIO018 3 595.379 595.943 595.48 595.83 Okay . 595.83 IN1009 D MIO018 3 600.928 601.382 600.95 601.26 Okay . 601.26 IN1009 A MIO100 0 601.673 638.632 601.8 638.57 Hmm uh I I said uh we want t to know to um to do separation just because of the voice recognition . I mm this is not the yes . Yes , no , but but in fact we have uh yes , we are designing uh a noise sensitive table just f from your ring , but we are also designing uh a prototype um to analyse the conversations . So uh we might add there a lot of uh features . 611.9 619.79 620.1 620.35 622.9 627.23 633.73 638.57 IN1009 D MIO018 3 611.856 613.449 611.88 613.33 Ah , you want to do voice recognition . 611.98 613.33 IN1009 D MIO018 3 615.328 617.536 615.35 617.5 You might want . Okay . 617.24 617.5 IN1009 B MIO099 1 616.227 621.635 616.227 621.635 You might might want to do . 621.24 IN1009 C MIO101 2 616.592 617.218 616.65 617.18 Yes . 617.18 IN1009 D MIO018 3 633.12 633.555 633.15 633.46 Okay . 633.46 IN1009 D MIO018 3 636.416 636.719 636.44 636.66 Yeah . 636.66 IN1009 D MIO018 3 639.984 646.291 640.0 646.291 So yeah , once you have locations it's not a big problem . Um 641.44 645.61 IN1009 A MIO100 0 644.687 663.744 644.81 663.57 Okay . And uh I don't know , perhaps uh perhaps if you have two people speaking uh speaking uh at the same time , uh I don't know if uh voice recognition of an uh such a stream is uh real . Okay . 645.92 647.06 656.07 663.29 663.57 IN1009 D MIO018 3 655.226 655.696 655.33 655.55 Mm-hmm . 655.55 IN1009 D MIO018 3 661.236 664.032 661.33 664.0 No no , you should separate them first , yeah , yeah . 661.74 663.47 663.85 664.0 IN1009 D MIO018 3 665.744 666.256 665.76 666.256 So - IN1009 A MIO100 0 666.511 670.064 666.61 669.53 Yes , so that's fine . 666.82 669.53 IN1009 D MIO018 3 669.941 674.768 670.1 674.67 So the type of things I presented can lead to separation . 674.67 IN1009 A MIO100 0 672.533 673.066 672.69 672.92 Mm-hmm . 672.92 IN1009 A MIO100 0 675.008 675.478 675.08 675.36 Sure . 675.36 IN1009 D MIO018 3 676.325 679.759 676.39 679.61 Um it's only a very small step to add . 679.61 IN1009 A MIO100 0 682.016 686.115 682.12 686.115 Yes , it's not um every important feature for now , but 682.42 685.75 IN1009 D MIO018 3 686.128 686.874 686.23 686.8 Yeah , yeah . 686.56 686.8 IN1009 D MIO018 3 688.382 719.681 688.46 719.59 Although it might be , if you want to um ex extract these features like pitch and uh rate of speech , or energy simply , from each person . Um you might have to do some ba basic separation . 'Cause quite often people uh don't realise that they talk at the same time , um interrupt each other . So even if you don't want to recognise a speech fully , at least um you need yeah . 689.39 696.03 697.94 699.82 704.02 709.64 712.65 716.12 719.59 IN1009 C MIO101 2 699.955 700.502 700.1 700.44 Mm . 700.44 IN1009 A MIO100 0 703.455 703.894 703.61 703.8 Mm-hmm . 703.8 IN1009 C MIO101 2 711.856 712.175 711.89 712.04 Mm . 712.04 IN1009 A MIO100 0 712.044 712.67 712.16 712.58 Yes . 712.58 IN1009 B MIO099 1 717.553 719.315 717.79 719.15 You need to separate it . 719.15 IN1009 A MIO100 0 721.048 729.701 721.17 729.58 And uh uh another what uh . Um I don't remember . 727.82 729.58 IN1009 D MIO018 3 731.264 737.413 731.28 737.413 It's okay . You can email later . Yeah . Um 732.8 735.56 736.75 IN1009 D MIO018 3 739.219 740.153 739.39 740.153 So - IN1009 C MIO101 2 739.68 740.64 739.71 739.96 Okay . 739.96 IN1009 A MIO100 0 740.347 743.071 740.63 742.97 Yes , also uh to to extract the context . 740.9 742.97 IN1009 D MIO018 3 743.806 744.547 743.89 744.33 Yeah . 744.33 IN1009 A MIO100 0 744.94 756.992 745.14 756.75 Mm because if you know the words that are spoken , you can let's say uh someone say uh he's angry uh about the word he's seen . Yes . 747.68 756.39 756.75 IN1009 D MIO018 3 750.675 751.271 750.75 751.271 Uh - IN1009 D MIO018 3 753.173 761.856 753.25 761.82 Okay . A semantic context , yeah . Yeah . Yeah , then mm . 755.28 756.57 758.15 759.26 759.49 761.82 IN1009 A MIO100 0 761.223 767.974 761.31 767.974 You mi you might want to add uh this kind of this is not in uh my project , but 767.28 IN1009 C MIO101 2 761.872 764.876 762.11 764.84 That are further directions . 764.84 IN1009 B MIO099 1 767.519 779.403 767.65 779.32 No , but I think once you have the voice for a person , you can start to do this and uh once uh people have speech recognition or uh far enough to t 767.82 770.25 IN1009 A MIO100 0 771.027 772.83 771.09 772.83 Yes . Um 772.43 IN1009 D MIO018 3 771.544 771.899 771.61 771.78 Hmm . 771.78 IN1009 C MIO101 2 777.253 787.872 777.42 787.75 Professor was interested to know when people were talking about him . Ah , someone is talking about me , let's listen . 784.43 785.72 786.87 787.75 IN1009 B MIO099 1 782.138 782.9 782.31 782.81 Mm uh . 782.81 IN1009 D MIO018 3 784.992 786.176 785.01 786.176 So it's uh - IN1009 D MIO018 3 788.693 794.974 788.78 794.89 Yeah , you could detect one word , yeah . Keyword spotting , yeah . 789.19 791.1 791.85 794.44 794.89 IN1009 A MIO100 0 791.157 791.606 791.23 791.57 Yes . 791.57 IN1009 A MIO100 0 794.379 797.052 794.53 797.052 And have a special events trigger if - IN1009 C MIO101 2 798.32 800.568 798.34 800.53 And lighting a on his office . 800.53 IN1009 D MIO018 3 802.045 803.37 802.17 803.37 So um - IN1009 C MIO101 2 803.808 811.379 803.83 811.34 Okay , so are you done w with what you wanted to presented us uh in regards with these questions ? 804.73 811.34 IN1009 D MIO018 3 809.648 826.496 809.67 826.46 Yeah . Yeah , I I'll just say uh if you want I can point to um three papers , um but no , I think it's better if I just send you the link , it's probably simpler . 811.74 811.99 819.57 822.12 825.53 826.46 IN1009 B MIO099 1 810.626 811.586 810.79 811.53 I think so . 811.53 IN1009 A MIO100 0 819.911 820.464 820.01 820.35 Sure . 820.35 IN1009 B MIO099 1 824.062 825.866 824.14 825.65 The link . Mm . 825.37 825.65 IN1009 A MIO100 0 825.37 825.851 825.39 825.77 Sure . 825.77 IN1009 C MIO101 2 825.615 828.503 825.9 828.35 Mm mm . three papers about ? 826.89 828.35 IN1009 D MIO018 3 829.12 836.176 829.14 836.13 Uh one im is about this um sector based stuff , like uh the localisation and detection . 834.14 836.13 IN1009 C MIO101 2 834.016 834.591 834.04 834.5 Mm-hmm . 834.5 IN1009 C MIO101 2 838.362 838.905 838.42 838.8 Okay . 838.8 IN1009 D MIO018 3 838.853 853.12 839.01 853.12 One is about how to take the decision , that somebody's active or not . Um it sounds simple at first , you think you just put the threshold and that's it , but um the problem is uh the 841.84 845.11 847.17 850.13 IN1009 C MIO101 2 852.383 859.739 852.383 859.44 It's n no problem . No more time for problems . Okay . 855.47 859.13 859.44 IN1009 A MIO100 0 852.946 858.363 853.03 858.29 No , it's it doesn't sound simple , but yes , you can yes . 853.27 854.98 857.14 858.29 IN1009 D MIO018 3 855.349 874.381 855.46 874.27 It no , you can do that . There's no problem , but i if you want your your system to work in different conditions , like cafeteria , library , um the environment will be quite different , so a single fixed threshold value might be a problem . S 855.76 856.81 857.87 863.25 864.11 865.5 869.36 874.07 IN1009 C MIO101 2 863.151 863.746 863.21 863.6 Uh uh . 863.6 IN1009 A MIO100 0 868.245 868.725 868.34 868.6 Sure . 868.6 IN1009 A MIO100 0 873.937 881.459 874.03 881.459 Yes , in fact uh for now we are using uh a kind of calibration , but uh it's still um 874.26 878.39 IN1009 D MIO018 3 878.995 879.57 879.07 879.43 Yeah . 879.43 IN1009 D MIO018 3 881.948 890.82 882.01 890.82 So you can do that automatically , this kind of things . Um I don't know if you're doing that already , but uh 884.1 886.07 889.8 IN1009 A MIO100 0 886.101 886.592 886.18 886.56 Yes . 886.56 IN1009 B MIO099 1 886.684 887.592 886.86 887.36 Okay . 887.36 IN1009 A MIO100 0 890.935 904.317 891.06 904.24 Yes , um uh but in fact you have to sit in front of the microphone , and it's uh yeah , people one speak and people two and people three and you are just uh subtracting the the level that you you kept in the other microphones . 891.36 894.11 895.79 904.24 IN1009 D MIO018 3 898.788 899.28 898.87 899.24 Okay . 899.24 IN1009 D MIO018 3 904.602 919.21 904.69 919.01 So uh I have another paper which might be interesting for that for a single channel uh calibration . And I've code on-line , so for this particular one . 914.28 916.44 919.01 IN1009 A MIO100 0 910.309 911.05 910.45 910.89 Okay . 910.89 IN1009 A MIO100 0 915.973 916.474 916.06 916.38 Okay . 916.38 IN1009 D MIO018 3 920.92 958.842 921.04 958.64 And the last one I would say is um the clustering um to um yeah , the clustering of the different locations over time , so that you can get small clusters of speech . Um there are other ways to do it , but uh I think it's it's important because um in spontaneous speech all these words are quite small . So you need to do that uh adequately , yeah . But otherwise yeah , I'm done . 930.54 933.62 938.92 942.3 951.91 955.29 957.24 958.24 958.64 IN1009 A MIO100 0 936.778 937.237 936.87 937.08 Mm-hmm . 937.08 IN1009 A MIO100 0 950.546 951.015 950.65 950.85 Mm-hmm . 950.85 IN1009 C MIO101 2 954.588 955.434 954.68 955.27 Mm mm mm . 955.27 IN1009 A MIO100 0 959.715 1004.822 959.85 1004.75 Okay , just uh a last question , um when you mentioned it . Um if I'm speaking very uh , how do you say it , um yes , I'm just speaking one word every uh every one second . Yes a . Uh is the the event that is detected is um will be uh a sum of uh small parts ? There won't be uh okay . So you yes , you have to to reprocess to uh to say let's say yes . There is a very small um interval . You have to consider it uh . 960.15 962.44 965.36 971.66 972.9 974.47 979.47 980.41 990.97 994.47 995.36 1000.76 1003.68 1004.75 IN1009 D MIO018 3 978.883 979.258 978.99 979.18 Hmm . 979.18 IN1009 C MIO101 2 980.207 981.251 980.46 981.15 Slowly . 981.15 IN1009 D MIO018 3 989.92 993.952 989.94 993.92 Yeah , yeah . Many small events basically , yeah . 990.42 991.91 993.72 993.92 IN1009 D MIO018 3 1006.032 1010.448 1006.05 1010.448 Yeah , basically uh I mean it depends uh 1006.88 IN1009 A MIO100 0 1010.798 1016.07 1010.89 1015.96 Because this is yes , this is one this can be considered as one interv intervention . 1012.11 1015.96 IN1009 D MIO018 3 1017.077 1019.248 1017.35 1019.21 Yeah , even if somebody says just yes . 1017.57 1019.21 IN1009 D MIO018 3 1020.97 1024.688 1021.06 1024.65 I don't know if it's important for you or not . It might be . 1024.04 1024.65 IN1009 A MIO100 0 1024.912 1025.674 1025.08 1025.6 It might be . 1025.6 IN1009 C MIO101 2 1026.666 1027.178 1026.78 1027.03 Might . 1027.03 IN1009 A MIO100 0 1027.28 1030.287 1027.3 1030.14 This is not a very uh easy problem . 1030.14 IN1009 C MIO101 2 1030.592 1060.624 1030.61 1060.624 For the first application we will do with uh prototypes , it will be more about quantity uh of speech or how long , how much someone speak , but when we will go to final uh details , if I'm talking and someone say yes yes yes from time to time , it show that he's participating , and obviously it makes different that if someone is talking and one is replying never uh nor moving or nor having eyes open 1033.63 1038.52 1040.16 1044.67 1047.76 1049.91 IN1009 D MIO018 3 1036.59 1037.039 1036.66 1036.88 Yeah . 1036.88 IN1009 D MIO018 3 1039.225 1039.716 1039.3 1039.68 Yeah . 1039.68 IN1009 D MIO018 3 1042.528 1042.768 1042.55 1042.73 Hmm . 1042.73 IN1009 D MIO018 3 1049.459 1049.845 1049.54 1049.71 Yeah . 1049.71 IN1009 D MIO018 3 1054.992 1058.064 1055.18 1058.02 Y Yeah . 1058.02 IN1009 D MIO018 3 1060.752 1065.072 1060.752 1065.072 Yes . Um 1064.51 IN1009 D MIO018 3 1068.091 1075.587 1068.091 1075.44 So I I'll send you links some of the papers are long , but you can just um briefly look , yeah . 1071.03 1075.09 1075.44 IN1009 C MIO101 2 1068.358 1069.12 1068.47 1069.02 Okay . 1069.02 IN1009 C MIO101 2 1074.736 1075.767 1074.78 1075.61 Go through them . 1075.61 IN1009 C MIO101 2 1078.448 1079.038 1078.47 1078.91 Okay . 1078.91 IN1009 D MIO018 3 1079.926 1085.342 1080.26 1085.26 Um we can go and see Olivier , unless you want to talk about something else . 1083.21 1085.26 IN1009 C MIO101 2 1085.59 1090.882 1085.72 1090.84 No , I think uh I think we has already have plenty to read . 1085.94 1090.84 IN1009 B MIO099 1 1085.94 1088.591 1086.0 1088.52 No , I think does this work , email ? 1086.34 1087.98 1088.52 IN1009 A MIO100 0 1086.67 1087.349 1086.71 1087.21 I'm done . 1087.21 IN1009 D MIO018 3 1089.559 1090.029 1089.7 1089.9 Huh ? 1089.9 IN1009 B MIO099 1 1090.53 1093.161 1090.58 1093.161 Does it work if I put in my email and uh - IN1009 D MIO018 3 1094.305 1098.218 1094.37 1098.218 Well , we can try . But uh 1094.69 1096.97 IN1009 C MIO101 2 1096.384 1096.905 1096.4 1096.76 Try . 1096.76 IN1009 B MIO099 1 1098.409 1102.048 1098.49 1101.92 No , if it's not uh I guess you would have to install it and so on . 1098.79 1101.92 IN1009 D MIO018 3 1101.968 1108.723 1101.968 1108.48 We have yeah , we have O_C_R_ , but maybe not on this computer . Yeah . 1102.74 1104.34 1108.28 1108.48 IN1009 B MIO099 1 1108.127 1123.216 1108.22 1123.216 Uh no no no , you see uh I thought you can put in here your email address and and just uh do this and then it mails me . Yeah , you see I want too much . 1109.04 1120.85 1121.12 1123.03 IN1009 D MIO018 3 1116.511 1120.874 1116.511 1120.81 That is good idea , yeah . It's a good idea . 1119.23 1119.99 1120.81 IN1009 C MIO101 2 1123.009 1132.763 1123.13 1132.69 And the application you are using , all of them uh y every time you are using Matlab , or you are programming everything is based based on Matlab ? 1125.23 1127.99 1132.69 IN1009 D MIO018 3 1129.102 1131.002 1129.17 1130.84 Yeah , yeah . 1130.27 1130.84 IN1009 D MIO018 3 1133.045 1145.497 1133.16 1145.46 Yeah . Once I I um coded the most expensive part in C_ just to see so you can have a mix of both . From Matlab you call C_ and back . 1133.94 1142.95 1145.46 IN1009 C MIO101 2 1144.97 1145.481 1145.05 1145.36 Mm . 1145.36 IN1009 A MIO100 0 1145.264 1147.791 1145.34 1147.69 Sure , yes . And you can code Java . 1145.72 1146.65 1147.69 IN1009 B MIO099 1 1145.937 1148.912 1146.11 1148.912 And after all Matlab is also programming , so it 1148.46 IN1009 D MIO018 3 1150.026 1158.623 1150.1 1158.53 But the day you want to do uh on-line real time stuff nah , I wouldn't wouldn't trust it . 1156.33 1158.53 IN1009 A MIO100 0 1154.839 1156.071 1154.94 1155.94 You can choose Matlab . 1155.94 IN1009 C MIO101 2 1158.903 1159.717 1158.99 1159.59 Mm mm mm . 1159.59 IN1009 B MIO099 1 1161.507 1162.279 1161.61 1161.96 Mm-hmm . 1161.96 IN1009 A MIO100 0 1162.779 1168.979 1162.89 1168.14 Yes , sure . You have to code it uh directly to the machine . 1163.07 1164.07 1168.14 IN1009 C MIO101 2 1163.272 1163.95 1163.34 1163.84 Okay . 1163.84 IN1009 B MIO099 1 1164.192 1164.852 1164.24 1164.76 So . 1164.76 IN1009 B MIO099 1 1166.848 1170.256 1166.87 1170.11 Thank you for the information . 1170.11 IN1009 A MIO100 0 1173.241 1173.951 1173.59 1173.9 Hmm . 1173.9 IN1009 A MIO100 0 1176.398 1179.414 1176.7 1179.35 My sheet is very uh filled up . 1179.35 IN1009 A MIO100 0 1185.004 1186.414 1185.17 1186.07 I will take yours . 1186.07 IN1009 C MIO101 2 1187.954 1190.411 1188.21 1190.29 I'm writing so only me can read . 1190.29 IN1009 C MIO101 2 1193.907 1196.288 1193.93 1195.79 It's uh a kind of secret language . 1195.79 IN1009 C MIO101 2 1200.21 1200.857 1200.47 1200.77 Okay . 1200.77 IN1012 C MIO077 2 21.663 25.168 21.74 25.07 And it's always the other way around , that's how you put it on . 23.21 25.07 IN1012 B MIO097 1 26.398 26.931 26.45 26.8 Okay . 26.8 IN1012 C MIO077 2 34.512 42.336 34.512 42.336 I think the the most of the bad words are at the beginning when the people try to put in on . 42.06 IN1012 D MIO018 3 38.51 43.437 38.51 43.437 At this precise time , yeah . 41.62 42.72 IN1012 B MIO097 1 47.147 50.196 47.22 50.196 So you start I think , right ? 48.61 50.03 IN1012 A MIO078 0 47.523 48.202 47.65 48.07 Okay . 48.07 IN1012 A MIO078 0 50.822 53.515 50.91 53.46 Hmm so we all attended Interspeech , no ? 53.22 53.46 IN1012 B MIO097 1 54.512 68.769 54.62 68.769 Yeah , so we are going to talk about the papers from Interspeech . This is not a good question , I think . All of them , of course . All of them , of course . 54.89 58.71 62.58 64.79 65.29 66.35 66.85 68.65 IN1012 A MIO078 0 57.672 67.038 57.92 67.038 So how many sessions you attended ? I mean did you attend any any session ? 64.48 66.49 IN1012 C MIO077 2 58.141 58.953 58.24 58.62 Huh . 58.62 IN1012 C MIO077 2 60.82 61.582 60.94 61.45 Whoo . 61.45 IN1012 D MIO018 3 68.639 72.444 68.78 72.32 Uh you can't attend multiple session at the same time , so . 71.82 72.32 IN1012 A MIO078 0 71.279 97.776 71.34 97.66 Yeah . That's really that's really your So any general impression or feedback ? So f for any of you it's a first conference or maybe for ? No , I mean in the sense that it's uh Interspeech is really big conference for speech , so did you attend before ? 72.49 84.64 90.12 90.75 95.79 97.66 IN1012 B MIO097 1 72.444 73.777 72.58 73.65 Oh yeah , that's true . 72.99 73.65 IN1012 C MIO077 2 74.059 76.021 74.38 75.91 Ah , I cannot put it . 74.56 75.91 IN1012 B MIO097 1 75.168 78.48 75.168 78.48 Okay . Bad answer , right ? 76.33 77.05 78.27 IN1012 C MIO077 2 89.068 90.644 89.09 90.49 Oh no no , not at all . 89.58 90.49 IN1012 B MIO097 1 92.909 93.477 92.94 93.477 Like - IN1012 B MIO097 1 95.424 97.323 95.44 97.18 Yeah , I it's not every year , right . 95.81 96.87 97.18 IN1012 C MIO077 2 97.984 102.41 98.1 102.26 Well Geneva , that's why I'm here at IDIAP , because I attended Geneva Eurospeech . 98.79 100.03 102.26 IN1012 A MIO078 0 99.768 110.432 99.87 110.22 Uh , ok ok yeah , o ok yeah , so then you're hiding a you have attended before yes . Yeah , I see see . Yeah , yeah . 100.1 100.9 103.42 107.53 107.71 109.21 109.35 110.22 IN1012 D MIO018 3 102.746 103.184 102.87 103.12 Hmm . 103.12 IN1012 B MIO097 1 106.354 118.629 106.45 118.54 Yeah , we met in also in I_C_S_L_P_ , right ? The first time , so . Yeah . So how how did you like the conference anyway ? When in compared to to th the others , the previous one . 106.74 108.73 109.07 110.04 111.49 111.97 114.56 117.56 118.54 IN1012 D MIO018 3 110.564 113.351 110.64 113.18 Mm-hmm , yeah in . 112.14 113.18 IN1012 A MIO078 0 114.173 115.734 114.26 115.734 I t I - IN1012 A MIO078 0 118.745 159.466 118.95 159.36 Uh I think it's quite interesting , but only annoying thing is this multiple sessions . And most sometimes you can't able to go to oral talk this oral presentations most of the time , because because like posters is you can spend a lot of time posters looking at m many posters than sitting twenty minutes for one oral presentation . So in t twenty minutes you can see at least two , three posters , and you can directly talk to people , so . Even I found like uh very few people in some oral presentations . I think most of the people are like their own posters only . 120.31 125.0 132.14 143.1 144.9 146.48 149.52 149.96 155.27 159.36 IN1012 C MIO077 2 126.537 127.1 126.6 127.0 I c - IN1012 B MIO097 1 126.696 127.448 126.88 127.448 But - IN1012 B MIO097 1 129.316 130.047 129.48 129.95 Yeah . 129.95 IN1012 D MIO018 3 131.128 131.514 131.18 131.39 Hmm . 131.39 IN1012 C MIO077 2 131.941 133.298 132.03 133.21 Why , why you cannot ? 132.56 133.21 IN1012 D MIO018 3 137.461 138.077 137.67 137.81 Yeah . 137.81 IN1012 C MIO077 2 142.048 144.276 142.24 144.09 Mm-hmm . Exactly . 143.63 144.09 IN1012 D MIO018 3 145.674 146.134 145.78 146.01 Hmm . 146.01 IN1012 D MIO018 3 149.105 149.392 149.2 149.36 Yeah . 149.36 IN1012 C MIO077 2 149.877 150.482 149.95 150.482 Meet - IN1012 B MIO097 1 154.389 154.932 154.49 154.83 Right . 154.83 IN1012 D MIO018 3 157.264 157.472 157.28 157.44 Hmm . 157.44 IN1012 C MIO077 2 159.889 164.786 159.96 164.786 Okay , so you attended mostly posters , I guess . So how many presentation you you 160.19 161.74 162.23 IN1012 D MIO018 3 162.149 163.805 162.3 163.71 But yeah . 163.71 IN1012 A MIO078 0 162.594 169.552 162.79 169.39 Yeah , how presentations are hardly handful of like f five or more . Yeah . 163.57 169.18 169.39 IN1012 D MIO018 3 165.912 173.217 166.11 173.03 Yeah . I liked the invited speaker um about the implant in the ear . It's quite good , no ? 167.35 172.22 172.75 173.03 IN1012 B MIO097 1 171.425 184.563 171.51 184.35 Oh yeah . He was from Australia , right ? The guy yeah . Uh he's very famous I think for that , right ? He's the the inventor of that implant and for for the ear I think . 172.73 173.83 174.21 176.97 178.86 179.46 184.35 IN1012 A MIO078 0 171.671 173.345 171.87 173.2 Ah , ok . 172.18 173.2 IN1012 D MIO018 3 174.778 175.781 174.87 175.58 I think so , yeah . 175.35 175.58 IN1012 A MIO078 0 175.183 176.175 175.32 175.95 Hmm yeah . 175.95 IN1012 D MIO018 3 179.217 179.685 179.37 179.62 Yeah . 179.62 IN1012 A MIO078 0 181.818 182.634 181.85 182.49 Ah , okay . 182.12 182.49 IN1012 A MIO078 0 184.654 196.68 184.79 196.68 Yeah . Even some panel discussions on that human speech recognition reducing gap between the A_S_R_ and and H_S_R_ . It was a bit interesting , lot of arguments and 185.52 193.78 195.01 IN1012 D MIO018 3 196.849 197.37 196.96 197.26 Mm . 197.26 IN1012 A MIO078 0 198.778 209.95 198.85 209.84 Yeah , b differently it's mainly the differences different approaches of engineers versus linguists or phoneticians and yeah mm . 199.25 209.84 IN1012 B MIO097 1 199.229 200.917 199.46 200.66 S yeah . 200.66 IN1012 C MIO077 2 210.993 230.48 211.15 230.43 I realised it were that there were panel discussions only at the place where I could see the the t t you know , there were some boards saying that there is some panel discussion , uh but I I couldn't get no one knew where is it , what it is , where it happens and why and so forth . It was com 218.52 221.88 225.81 226.49 229.44 IN1012 A MIO078 0 221.714 222.665 221.81 222.665 Ah , okay . 222.03 222.27 IN1012 B MIO097 1 228.818 230.019 228.99 229.5 Mm . 229.5 IN1012 A MIO078 0 229.325 237.8 229.41 237.8 Yeah , even the panel discussions w I think one is really held in small room , so people were really crowded . 229.68 233.83 237.63 IN1012 C MIO077 2 234.718 237.49 234.82 237.49 Yeah . Finally I found , but 235.83 236.79 IN1012 D MIO018 3 237.706 240.264 237.706 240.12 Hmm . 240.12 IN1012 C MIO077 2 239.85 248.426 239.95 248.426 Well , this is not this speech is not restricted only to papers and these things , you know . So how did you like Lisbon then ? 240.18 245.08 245.76 248.27 IN1012 D MIO018 3 245.52 245.856 245.54 245.82 Hmm . 245.82 IN1012 D MIO018 3 248.065 262.793 248.22 262.64 No quite good uh . A bit hot still , but the bea the beach nearby is quite nice , yeah . You should try it , I don't know . Did you go around ? Before or after , yeah . 250.21 251.42 256.16 256.75 257.42 259.14 261.08 262.44 262.64 IN1012 A MIO078 0 249.409 250.36 249.49 250.36 Yeah , it's 249.66 IN1012 C MIO077 2 251.799 252.415 251.98 252.23 Yeah . 252.23 IN1012 A MIO078 0 253.536 254.711 253.68 254.59 Yeah , . 254.59 254.59 IN1012 C MIO077 2 260.533 273.525 260.69 273.525 Yeah , w we went to the Costa Caparica there , with the bus . We we were we were supposed to take take the direct one , but we didn't . 261.06 265.35 265.91 269.35 273.34 IN1012 D MIO018 3 264.472 265.109 264.59 264.96 Okay . 264.96 IN1012 B MIO097 1 270.636 276.234 270.71 275.88 So you went to a beach ? To a like Atlantic sea coast or yeah ? 272.5 275.88 IN1012 D MIO018 3 272.469 273.375 272.49 273.375 Yeah , 'cause I 272.98 IN1012 D MIO018 3 275.2 289.226 275.22 289.16 Yeah , I stayed I stayed two days before , so uh I went you ju you just take the train , maybe that's the same , I'm not sure . Train north . Half an hour train , yeah . Yeah . West or north , I don't know uh . 275.57 277.46 280.54 281.34 282.4 284.05 285.02 286.58 287.62 288.38 289.16 IN1012 B MIO097 1 281.861 286.077 281.99 286.0 Uh-huh . Uh it's not so far from Lisbon , half an hour , mm-hmm . 282.78 284.71 285.44 286.0 IN1012 A MIO078 0 285.298 286.021 285.41 285.72 Yeah . 285.72 IN1012 C MIO077 2 285.394 286.24 285.42 286.15 North ? 286.15 IN1012 B MIO097 1 288.902 290.039 289.02 289.93 Uh northwest mm . 289.93 IN1012 C MIO077 2 289.084 300.135 289.35 300.05 Okay , so you stayed at the at the same coast , not not you didn't go to the island , cross the river where where is the bridge and and then okay , so that was a different place . 289.51 291.75 294.01 298.04 300.05 IN1012 D MIO018 3 294.497 299.957 295.31 299.8 No no no , not very far . No no . It's different , yeah . 295.9 296.89 298.61 299.14 299.8 IN1012 A MIO078 0 297.398 309.467 297.57 309.42 Ah ok we went to like far south , to Lagos and yeah , that wa uh ha yeah . That was really good , those beaches are really good . 301.15 304.29 306.42 307.33 309.42 IN1012 D MIO018 3 302.617 303.097 302.74 303.01 Yeah . 303.01 IN1012 C MIO077 2 303.027 306.9 303.29 306.64 Yeah , with Hamed uh Hemant and these people . 304.02 306.64 IN1012 D MIO018 3 305.811 306.385 305.94 306.33 Yeah . 306.33 IN1012 D MIO018 3 309.536 310.047 309.56 309.92 Hmm . 309.92 IN1012 B MIO097 1 309.824 310.377 309.92 310.22 Yeah . 310.22 IN1012 C MIO077 2 310.598 316.162 310.79 316.162 The more south to th the hole through the water . 316.08 IN1012 A MIO078 0 312.27 328.517 312.34 328.45 Yeah , even dolphin in the yeah . But the weather was really hot , the south it's more than thirty five . Uh . Lisbon was good , um little bit bit mm . 312.51 315.51 318.87 322.12 324.16 325.3 328.45 IN1012 B MIO097 1 321.035 329.583 321.18 329.38 Yeah . But I think Lisbon those days are pretty good , like seem to me quite not cold but still okay , like reasonable . 322.06 324.6 328.62 329.38 IN1012 A MIO078 0 330.229 339.804 330.36 339.58 Yeah , even local transport , it's it's . But yeah , most of the time the buses are really crowded . Uh . 330.74 332.54 335.17 335.68 339.25 339.58 IN1012 B MIO097 1 332.506 333.648 332.62 333.648 Oh yeah . 333.43 IN1012 D MIO018 3 338.213 338.641 338.31 338.48 Hmm . 338.48 IN1012 B MIO097 1 338.828 349.534 338.94 349.534 Yeah , I was happy to be back in Suisse after few few days it's better to be here I think . Yeah , it's big city , many people and 339.23 345.56 346.06 347.11 IN1012 A MIO078 0 341.949 343.597 342.11 343.36 Yeah . Yeah . 343.08 343.36 IN1012 C MIO077 2 342.05 342.676 342.11 342.58 Huh . 342.58 IN1012 C MIO077 2 345.388 346.256 345.49 346.256 I was - IN1012 A MIO078 0 345.427 349.726 345.55 349.726 Yeah , because it's really big city , no ? No like . 345.78 347.09 347.46 349.17 IN1012 C MIO077 2 349.584 364.826 349.75 364.77 I was very surprised that even the trams did have a A_C_ there . I couldn't see it at at all . Yeah , r right , but can you imagine something like in ? Uh it's A_C_ . 355.13 357.66 358.06 358.82 363.43 364.77 IN1012 B MIO097 1 353.428 354.253 353.53 354.08 Yeah , yeah . 353.74 354.08 IN1012 B MIO097 1 355.888 358.528 355.92 358.48 Those new only , right ? Not the old one , but yeah . 356.73 357.5 358.3 358.48 IN1012 B MIO097 1 361.656 369.791 361.77 369.791 Yeah . Ah it's not necessary to have it , maybe . Some time , yes , but not so many days or 363.38 365.74 367.44 367.94 368.38 IN1012 C MIO077 2 366.4 393.304 366.4 393.1 Well , it it was much better if if if you would have to spend a hour and a half that uh Hemant and the others spent while going with a ca uh with a bus to to the conference centre from from the the hotel that we were . There was a direct bus and it took them hour and a half then . Mm . Yeah . 367.97 384.38 390.99 392.81 393.1 IN1012 A MIO078 0 368.764 371.172 370.4 371.0 Mm . Yeah . 370.86 371.0 IN1012 A MIO078 0 374.368 374.789 374.39 374.54 Hmm . 374.54 IN1012 B MIO097 1 375.76 377.761 375.78 377.72 Oh yeah , yeah , that's true . 376.53 376.79 377.72 IN1012 B MIO097 1 380.079 380.809 380.15 380.73 Conference . 380.73 IN1012 A MIO078 0 384.289 399.988 384.51 399.84 Yeah . Yeah . No , re yeah , but that's that's not good , direct bus is not good like . So you can go to the direct uh ce central place and then occas uh . Mm . 386.01 386.99 387.22 387.96 389.58 390.91 399.3 399.84 IN1012 D MIO018 3 388.89 389.6 389.0 389.5 Well y - IN1012 B MIO097 1 391.274 392.287 391.37 392.17 Yeah , yeah . 391.75 392.17 IN1012 B MIO097 1 393.081 393.8 393.4 393.8 It's - IN1012 D MIO018 3 394.647 400.073 394.77 400.073 We can take the tram and a train . It's it's all conditioned . Yeah . 396.9 399.36 399.91 IN1012 B MIO097 1 394.75 395.794 394.91 395.71 Better to ta - IN1012 B MIO097 1 397.037 397.705 397.16 397.61 Yeah . 397.61 IN1012 C MIO077 2 397.396 410.653 397.57 410.653 Yeah , that was the right choice , but to take something which which was uh direct , in quotes . It was n not the f direct as anything else , but 398.2 399.32 403.54 405.16 408.57 IN1012 B MIO097 1 403.504 406.052 403.504 405.82 The easiest way . 405.82 IN1012 A MIO078 0 403.452 404.755 403.91 404.69 Yeah , da 404.39 IN1012 D MIO018 3 404.049 404.707 404.26 404.5 Ah . 404.5 IN1012 D MIO018 3 407.237 410.734 407.237 410.58 Mm . 410.58 IN1012 A MIO078 0 409.856 433.959 409.94 433.78 Uh what is the place , uh the the central I mean where we change the bus to yeah , in the yeah , maybe you can check the booklet . Yeah it's there , like I used to find bus numbers from book only . 413.73 418.89 420.63 426.87 430.99 433.78 IN1012 D MIO018 3 412.42 413.245 412.42 412.42 . 412.42 IN1012 D MIO018 3 415.135 416.053 415.29 415.95 Ah , sorry . 415.49 415.95 IN1012 B MIO097 1 417.778 423.258 418.01 423.09 I don't remember the name . Is it there ? Yeah , i it's supposed to be there . 420.17 421.48 421.63 423.09 IN1012 C MIO077 2 418.964 420.958 418.964 420.958 . 420.958 IN1012 D MIO018 3 420.239 426.065 420.3 425.75 No no no it's uh or s I'm not sure . 425.75 IN1012 C MIO077 2 425.589 431.843 425.74 431.843 Uh it sounds sounds like . 431.72 IN1012 D MIO018 3 428.848 430.401 428.87 429.79 Yeah . 429.79 IN1012 B MIO097 1 428.979 431.242 428.979 430.79 Oh , you've got the s 430.05 IN1012 D MIO018 3 433.222 478.774 433.41 478.62 Yeah , originally I brought it because I marked some papers , but yeah . Onl only o one which surprised me a bit , it was uh speaker recognition I think , but it doesn't really matter . They were trying to model uh um covariance of different components for G_M_M_ , instead of using a diagonal . But then if you use a full it's too much . So they use some approach where they tie them automatically and uh after that well , it's more like tying it is still full , but different um components are tied , different components of the matrix are tied . 433.95 436.33 439.47 442.59 445.46 447.29 455.27 457.28 460.03 469.42 472.18 476.69 478.62 IN1012 C MIO077 2 437.497 440.467 437.58 440.467 Let's go on , this was just a 438.98 IN1012 C MIO077 2 453.286 453.86 453.36 453.8 Of what ? 453.8 IN1012 A MIO078 0 456.952 457.691 457.09 457.5 Oh , okay . 457.3 457.5 IN1012 B MIO097 1 459.595 460.106 459.68 460.0 Yeah . 460.0 IN1012 A MIO078 0 463.744 464.509 463.77 464.29 Oh , okay . 464.01 464.29 IN1012 C MIO077 2 465.473 468.594 465.59 468.594 Pruning of covariance matrix . 468.47 IN1012 A MIO078 0 466.175 470.616 466.175 470.616 It's like uh in - IN1012 C MIO077 2 478.494 480.519 478.58 480.37 But what what does it mean tied then ? 480.37 IN1012 B MIO097 1 478.944 479.296 478.98 479.26 Uh-huh . 479.26 IN1012 D MIO018 3 480.803 481.419 480.91 481.37 Equal . 481.37 IN1012 B MIO097 1 482.512 483.238 482.53 483.238 Like - IN1012 C MIO077 2 482.524 489.195 482.75 488.65 Uh yeah , but then you have to store the whole matrix and plus some extra information what is tied to what or b 483.44 IN1012 D MIO018 3 484.083 484.616 484.23 484.616 Uh - IN1012 D MIO018 3 488.395 498.18 488.54 498.18 No no , you have to store a minimum number a reduced number of parameters , and they are tied in a linear way actually , sorry , not equal , but it doesn't 488.89 493.17 495.03 495.41 495.96 IN1012 B MIO097 1 488.56 489.721 488.58 489.56 No , I don 488.95 IN1012 B MIO097 1 491.6 492.769 491.66 492.55 Right , mm-hmm . 492.29 492.55 IN1012 C MIO077 2 493.152 493.642 493.26 493.642 Yeah , but 493.37 IN1012 A MIO078 0 497.9 510.69 498.05 510.6 It's like uh all the semi-tied covariance matrices or yeah . So did they reduce it's in between the direct covariance this is full covariance . Should try to reduce some parameters by tying . 502.39 507.97 510.6 IN1012 D MIO018 3 500.282 504.053 500.35 503.88 Yeah , exactly , that's it uh . So they ju yeah . 500.73 501.08 501.77 503.88 IN1012 C MIO077 2 501.886 504.6 502.0 504.6 Uh I don't know about anything like this , but 504.47 IN1012 D MIO018 3 506.541 507.199 506.66 506.9 Yeah . 506.9 IN1012 D MIO018 3 511.34 541.434 511.48 541.35 Interesting thing is that they applied it on speaker recognition , and on the features before they had three different ways to um decorrelate the features , and and this they showed it uh without this , with diagonal G_M_M_ or with this , and with this , with uh semi-tied covariance matrices , it was a less much less sensitive to uh which um decorrelation procedure you choose . If y so . 515.32 520.77 526.35 528.79 529.89 532.12 540.36 541.35 IN1012 C MIO077 2 512.143 513.218 512.32 513.14 Tying . 513.14 IN1012 A MIO078 0 515.011 515.502 515.07 515.36 Oh . 515.36 IN1012 B MIO097 1 525.996 526.591 526.09 526.4 Yeah . 526.4 IN1012 A MIO078 0 535.115 535.752 535.15 535.47 Uh . 535.47 IN1012 A MIO078 0 539.596 540.212 539.62 540.17 Ah , okay . 539.7 540.17 IN1012 B MIO097 1 541.193 544.792 541.28 544.792 So they obtain better results with that finally or - IN1012 D MIO018 3 543.626 550.015 543.9 550.015 A a also better , but of course it depends on the number of of parameters you put 545.25 IN1012 A MIO078 0 543.964 545.045 544.07 544.88 Yeah . Mm . 544.7 544.88 IN1012 B MIO097 1 546.512 546.96 546.79 546.96 But - IN1012 C MIO077 2 548.821 549.343 548.93 549.18 Mm . 549.18 IN1012 B MIO097 1 549.856 557.325 549.97 557.325 Right . But if you compare no , if you compare it with some baseline , let's say you use just G_M_M_ with diagonal covariance matrices 551.12 551.99 553.54 IN1012 A MIO078 0 549.955 551.688 550.19 551.58 In your tie-in . 551.58 IN1012 D MIO018 3 551.393 551.905 551.55 551.71 Yeah . 551.71 IN1012 D MIO018 3 554.433 561.249 554.58 561.07 Yeah . Yeah , I I think I think it was even slightly better , yeah . 556.06 556.35 560.85 561.07 IN1012 A MIO078 0 555.468 561.632 555.64 561.54 No , I think they got good results with just using diagonals or definitely yeah . Yeah . 555.75 561.18 561.54 IN1012 B MIO097 1 559.935 565.791 560.48 565.791 A and no decorrelation before like uh - IN1012 D MIO018 3 563.408 564.782 563.408 564.67 Maybe I can find it . 564.67 IN1012 A MIO078 0 563.822 574.195 564.11 574.195 Mm . Maybe decorrelation again they do D_C_T_ or K_L_T_ or they do that ? L_D_A_ or like 564.94 570.26 IN1012 B MIO097 1 568.43 570.71 568.52 570.71 Yeah . Or L_D_A_ is there or 568.97 IN1012 C MIO077 2 569.127 576.084 569.25 576.02 But ooh the the main point is to to uh like make it faster , the the the decoding , or what ? 574.38 575.64 576.02 IN1012 D MIO018 3 569.459 571.646 569.74 571.44 L_D_A_ , yeah , L_D_A_ . 570.41 570.93 571.44 IN1012 D MIO018 3 574.968 580.51 574.968 580.35 Make it possible to use uh a full covariance matrix . 580.35 IN1012 B MIO097 1 580.916 597.722 581.05 597.4 Yeah . But but there must be the sense , right ? Because once you decorrelate the data , then you don't need to have full I know , that's so that's that means that the decorrelation is not uh optimal , right ? So so that's the reason . 582.22 583.81 584.27 587.02 590.89 594.48 594.71 597.4 IN1012 A MIO078 0 584.479 586.221 584.54 586.221 Yeah . So 585.62 IN1012 C MIO077 2 585.032 588.888 585.16 588.7 Well that's possible , why why it should be i impossible ? 586.38 588.7 IN1012 A MIO078 0 588.058 591.494 588.23 591.494 No , but still there is there is still ev that's why like people come 588.33 IN1012 D MIO018 3 589.821 590.479 589.95 590.23 Yeah . 590.23 IN1012 A MIO078 0 594.774 601.972 594.88 601.79 Yeah , definitely it's not optimum . So it's it's also like doing along along the diagonals all again . 595.29 596.47 601.79 IN1012 B MIO097 1 600.152 600.685 600.22 600.62 Mm-hmm . 600.62 IN1012 C MIO077 2 604.816 609.284 604.93 609.11 So it's completely impossible to do it with full covariance matrix ? Why ? 608.85 609.11 IN1012 A MIO078 0 610.704 620.096 610.76 620.096 It's really computationally really uh yeah so see suppose if thirty nine in te thirty nine to thirty nine for every yeah , yeah , so 618.99 619.21 IN1012 C MIO077 2 612.252 615.705 612.35 615.705 Yeah , computationally e expensive , but 613.02 615.24 IN1012 B MIO097 1 612.317 615.532 612.46 615.38 Yeah , yeah . It is , yeah . 612.77 614.28 614.99 615.38 IN1012 C MIO077 2 618.375 627.643 618.49 627.41 Of course , from the point of view of computation , but otherwise it's there's no problem , no ? with okay . 619.46 621.13 625.15 625.62 627.41 IN1012 A MIO078 0 622.951 624.336 623.06 624.336 Uh there is a thing - IN1012 B MIO097 1 624.316 626.446 624.63 626.446 Uh no , there there is not 625.38 IN1012 A MIO078 0 626.071 633.064 626.18 633.064 Yeah . Ne no problem , but if you see so many models and so many mixtures yeah . But 626.42 627.17 632.58 IN1012 B MIO097 1 628.988 629.489 629.06 629.39 Yeah . 629.39 IN1012 C MIO077 2 629.172 636.657 629.29 636.657 Okay , so so here you have to choose either many many things to store and huge computation uh 629.55 IN1012 B MIO097 1 632.297 633.028 632.39 632.61 Right . 632.61 IN1012 A MIO078 0 635.326 656.428 635.54 656.13 Yeah , thirty you can see you c you can't really like even you can't the models itself is like thirty eight times more than that , so . So y if you have like five megabytes or ten megabytes of models then yeah . But even I think it's really bit like impossible for the really big systems I guess , like storing storing itself . 635.95 642.75 643.57 648.42 654.29 656.13 IN1012 B MIO097 1 642.487 643.782 642.65 643.54 Right , right . 643.37 643.54 IN1012 C MIO077 2 644.064 647.356 644.08 647.32 Yeah , yeah . No . Uh depends . 645.09 646.04 646.71 647.32 IN1012 B MIO097 1 648.026 648.61 648.14 648.54 Yeah , yeah . 648.45 648.54 IN1012 D MIO018 3 650.338 651.59 650.46 651.55 Yeah it's this one . 651.55 IN1012 C MIO077 2 653.424 653.973 653.51 653.91 So . 653.91 IN1012 B MIO097 1 653.803 671.96 653.91 671.79 Yeah , yeah , definitely . It's almost impossible for like L_V_C_ aside , impossible to use it , right ? You've got dimension thirty nine times thirty nine ? Yeah ? So yeah . It's impossible to use it . And you cannot even train it , right ? More or less I think . 654.3 654.5 656.02 659.2 660.09 660.85 664.25 665.36 667.78 668.99 670.26 670.84 671.79 IN1012 D MIO018 3 653.825 657.06 653.94 656.86 It's i improved covariance modelling . 656.86 IN1012 A MIO078 0 659.671 661.984 659.77 661.79 Yeah yeah , yeah yeah , it's really ti 660.51 660.87 IN1012 A MIO078 0 663.691 668.303 663.81 668.303 Yeah yeah , for every you're so you're to store all this thirty 664.13 IN1012 D MIO018 3 666.896 667.323 666.92 667.21 Yeah . 667.21 IN1012 C MIO077 2 667.362 669.78 667.42 669.78 So there are no results there ? No 669.49 IN1012 D MIO018 3 669.995 677.385 670.18 677.27 No , but in the proceedings you can find them . They are better , yeah . They tried P_C_A_ , L_D_A_ , M_L_L_T_ . 670.38 673.88 674.53 675.02 676.18 676.56 677.27 IN1012 A MIO078 0 670.808 671.466 670.92 671.14 Yeah . 671.14 IN1012 C MIO077 2 673.408 674.285 673.43 674.02 Hmm yeah . 674.02 IN1012 A MIO078 0 675.014 675.68 675.03 675.68 So from - IN1012 B MIO097 1 677.898 680.394 678.02 680.18 Oh , so that's interesting . 678.54 680.18 IN1012 A MIO078 0 677.705 680.262 678.04 680.15 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 679.83 680.15 IN1012 C MIO077 2 678.419 678.9 678.48 678.79 Uh-huh . 678.79 IN1012 D MIO018 3 681.509 692.981 681.73 692.89 I i it's not really anything new , but uh the mm they just applied that to speaker I_D_ . Yeah . Yeah . 683.3 690.87 692.63 692.89 IN1012 A MIO078 0 689.137 692.166 689.21 692.166 Speak uh yeah , different task and 690.93 IN1012 C MIO077 2 693.711 694.191 693.79 694.07 Yeah . 694.07 IN1012 A MIO078 0 695.775 740.914 695.9 740.78 So uh I found one paper interesting . I think you know Vivek most of you know . Uh this is uh Vivek's paper on like variable scale feature extraction . Normally we use to fix it window for feature extraction , like twenty five milliseconds or thirty seconds . Here he's proposing variable scale , because the fixed scale is non-optimal for it's non-optimum because like for vowels you can have m much longer , and for plosives and these things you really shorter , like even around less than twenty milliseconds also . So he's ki proposing like this variable scale window f uh kind of online for each segment . 698.12 699.85 706.61 709.77 713.12 715.73 725.64 729.21 732.7 740.78 IN1012 C MIO077 2 702.154 702.739 702.3 702.58 Yeah . 702.58 IN1012 B MIO097 1 715.639 716.08 715.73 716.02 Mm-hmm . 716.02 IN1012 B MIO097 1 724.3 725.365 724.39 725.23 Much longer . 725.23 IN1012 C MIO077 2 727.345 727.929 727.46 727.75 Mm-hmm . 727.75 IN1012 B MIO097 1 727.664 728.896 727.68 728.54 Shorter , yeah . 728.29 728.54 IN1012 C MIO077 2 731.85 732.571 731.85 732.4 Okay . 732.4 IN1012 C MIO077 2 740.898 742.255 740.98 742.12 Why it has to be online ? 742.12 IN1012 A MIO078 0 742.471 760.063 742.6 759.92 Yeah mm mm you can do like you can measure and you can do but he's mm basically doing some mm likelihood ratio testing . So if so the main idea is like suppose you have uh one segment , so he's trying to find the stationality cautious stationality of that segment . 750.65 755.33 759.92 IN1012 C MIO077 2 748.623 749.281 748.8 749.17 Okay . 749.17 IN1012 B MIO097 1 761.403 761.925 761.5 761.77 Right . 761.77 IN1012 C MIO077 2 761.718 766.395 761.84 766.29 Like extended as as more as much as possible to keep the okay . 766.29 IN1012 A MIO078 0 763.932 780.202 764.09 780.08 Yeah , as much as possible like but yeah , definitely you have to assume some l uh like minimum and maximum sizes of your own , so he is using minimum of minimum is uh I think twe I don't twelve point five milliseconds I think . Maximum is uh sixty milliseconds . 764.22 766.6 771.7 777.79 780.08 IN1012 C MIO077 2 770.879 772.184 771.02 771.99 Of course , of course . 771.46 771.99 IN1012 B MIO097 1 772.181 774.272 772.37 774.15 Wh what is the minimum and maximum ? 774.15 IN1012 B MIO097 1 780.128 781.984 780.22 781.984 So it's not so mm - IN1012 D MIO018 3 780.195 783.095 780.5 782.93 I isn't it smaller , the minimum , no ? 782.18 782.74 782.93 IN1012 A MIO078 0 783.292 784.853 783.47 784.853 So the minimum - IN1012 B MIO097 1 784.49 786.703 784.62 786.55 Two point five milliseconds . 786.55 IN1012 C MIO077 2 784.992 788.428 784.992 788.21 Whoo . Yeah , it's right . 787.17 787.7 788.21 IN1012 A MIO078 0 786.586 797.807 786.72 797.807 No no , I think a minimum is twen twenty milliseconds is i yeah . Twelve point five milliseconds is kind of sift . Twenty millis minimum is no no , de because of uh 787.01 790.46 794.06 796.64 IN1012 B MIO097 1 789.237 791.565 789.3 791.565 Twenty milliseconds ? From 791.1 IN1012 C MIO077 2 790.863 804.266 791.08 804.18 This is maybe because of F_F_T_U_ or these things . It's no not as small as as it should have been , but mayb maybe because of other processing after . No ? 795.01 800.31 803.98 804.18 IN1012 B MIO097 1 793.445 794.541 793.54 794.32 Oh , yeah . 793.94 794.32 IN1012 D MIO018 3 795.844 797.455 796.01 797.455 I don't know , I just 796.61 IN1012 A MIO078 0 800.528 818.28 800.88 818.24 No , you can use mol yeah . No , mainly because of uh M_F_C_C_ computation , because yeah , it becomes really noisy , like if you s yeah , ten milliseconds means you have only eighty samples for uh and then you have refused twenty four filters , the filters won't get any samples , so . 801.0 803.23 803.63 805.91 806.88 808.16 809.89 816.13 817.88 818.24 IN1012 C MIO077 2 806.112 809.52 806.13 809.49 Yeah . Well noisy , yes . 807.32 809.21 809.49 IN1012 D MIO018 3 806.8 807.706 806.97 807.34 Mm . 807.34 IN1012 B MIO097 1 813.638 815.863 813.77 815.69 Right . Sure . 815.26 815.69 IN1012 D MIO018 3 813.793 814.314 813.97 814.21 Mm . 814.21 IN1012 D MIO018 3 817.178 823.454 817.33 823.23 Yeah , okay . But it's not uh an intrinsic limitation , it's just because of ri yeah . 817.77 818.52 820.59 823.23 IN1012 A MIO078 0 821.591 830.027 821.66 829.87 Yeah , because of computation . So even I I think even st uh he can find less than twenty millisecond windows also , especially for plosives uh . 821.78 822.78 828.4 829.87 IN1012 D MIO018 3 827.505 828.194 827.58 828.08 Okay . 828.08 IN1012 B MIO097 1 829.165 831.533 829.26 831.42 And the shifting is still the same , or not ? 830.99 831.42 IN1012 A MIO078 0 831.572 839.781 831.63 839.781 Shifting yeah , he's using twelve point five millise yeah , shifting is almost same . But the problem like 833.08 835.83 838.78 IN1012 C MIO077 2 832.666 834.085 832.73 834.02 Overlap you mean . 834.02 IN1012 B MIO097 1 833.464 835.603 833.63 835.39 O yeah , yeah , overlap . 834.72 834.93 835.39 IN1012 B MIO097 1 838.424 839.197 838.46 839.197 So - IN1012 C MIO077 2 838.664 842.159 838.88 842.06 Uh w how do you mean to say ? 842.06 IN1012 B MIO097 1 841.584 858.469 841.66 858.23 Like um no , how many frames per per second you do have ? Is it again like uh one hundred frames , or it's less or even if you keep variable length of the frames , right ? You can still keep the same frame rate . 843.28 846.98 849.91 855.15 855.67 858.23 IN1012 C MIO077 2 847.869 848.381 847.99 848.381 Uh - IN1012 A MIO078 0 851.369 852.184 851.46 852.184 He - IN1012 A MIO078 0 855.558 863.695 855.65 863.695 Yeah . Yeah , he's keeping same number of frames . Uh he's using uh twelve point five yeah , twelve point five millisecond 856.37 856.55 859.31 862.15 IN1012 B MIO097 1 862.005 873.829 862.25 873.829 Because I understand this would have sense for , I don't know , speech coding where you want to preserve uh or you want to encode it into less frames , right , but why do why to do it for speech recognition ? It means that uh 864.54 864.86 869.03 869.26 872.58 IN1012 A MIO078 0 869.135 869.699 869.24 869.6 Yeah . 869.6 IN1012 A MIO078 0 873.826 876.806 873.95 876.806 Number of uh frames ? W you want to 875.92 IN1012 B MIO097 1 875.589 883.462 875.7 883.462 Yeah , no , wha why to keep variabl variability in the length of the frames ? Wh why not to keep the same length , what is the 875.92 876.14 880.2 882.75 IN1012 A MIO078 0 882.665 919.014 882.8 918.83 Actually the problem's again uh uh you see the shift is the Nyquist frequency if you compared modulation spectrum . So again , if you change this shift , the mod the Nyquist the modulation spectrum , Nyquist frequency changes for each window . So if you want to do again another high-level feature extraction again , it will be problem , so . So but he's uh like he's he discuss I mean describing this , because even this itself is a problem , keeping the f uh fix to frame size , because you're analysing your this uh segment many times . 890.42 891.05 892.35 894.83 897.48 901.69 902.49 903.85 907.97 909.83 913.83 918.83 IN1012 B MIO097 1 889.924 890.488 890.0 890.35 Yeah . 890.35 IN1012 B MIO097 1 897.399 897.921 897.47 897.79 Right . 897.79 IN1012 B MIO097 1 918.944 921.022 919.06 920.84 Right , right , right . 919.88 920.41 920.84 IN1012 A MIO078 0 919.014 947.471 919.25 947.471 So this shift will suppose if you find one segment of sixty milliseconds , and then you're doing this ten millisecond so every almost I think yeah , mm uh yeah , five frames y you're analysing the previ this already segment so . So again , this may blur some frequency transitions or yeah , but the problem is again this uh bottleneck is here , like you can't change your Nyquist frequency modulation and 923.64 928.22 928.7 934.11 934.75 939.32 942.96 IN1012 B MIO097 1 923.911 924.579 924.07 924.23 Mm-hmm . 924.23 IN1012 B MIO097 1 932.176 934.013 932.27 933.97 Right , right , right , ri right . 932.83 933.38 933.62 933.97 IN1012 B MIO097 1 936.637 939.602 936.73 939.4 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 937.88 939.16 939.4 IN1012 B MIO097 1 946.346 948.323 946.45 948.12 Right , yes . 947.68 948.12 IN1012 C MIO077 2 947.696 963.1 947.91 962.94 Um I have two questions , first is essentially how he's doing in that . No , well uh once he gets the frame , like from here to here , then where he advances to to start with c computation of the next frame ? 950.05 953.53 953.96 956.13 957.77 962.94 IN1012 A MIO078 0 953.68 954.046 953.7 953.98 Yeah . 953.98 IN1012 A MIO078 0 956.097 957.935 956.25 957.87 Yeah . Yeah . 957.56 957.87 IN1012 A MIO078 0 963.059 975.077 963.16 974.93 So it's so uh so the main idea is like first to take the some some window , some sam some samples , then he assume somewhere some variable and point there is a change . 968.31 970.05 974.93 IN1012 C MIO077 2 968.403 969.71 968.54 969.45 Yeah , mm-hmm . 969.1 969.45 IN1012 C MIO077 2 975.74 976.461 976.03 976.32 Okay . 976.32 IN1012 D MIO018 3 976.398 979.82 976.46 979.64 So it's not n it's not symmetric necessarily ? 'Kay . 979.18 979.64 IN1012 A MIO078 0 976.491 1010.807 976.69 1010.77 Then then it's not symmetric , i you can cho uh y it's basically uh too like again , do for all the samples in that gyro . So then what he does is like he proposed uh like some like ratio test based on maximum likelihood . So th tha that is really simple , like so what he does is like so he he computes the residual , he first he does the L_P_ analysis and then he computes the residual , and he takes the residual energy of f full signal like gy gy gyro samples . 979.25 983.15 986.39 993.46 995.12 1000.35 1003.87 1010.77 IN1012 C MIO077 2 991.892 992.581 991.93 992.49 Okay . 992.49 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1001.394 1003.753 1001.394 1003.58 Okay . Mm-hmm . 1003.33 1003.58 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1009.08 1020.34 1009.59 1020.28 Fu ok okay , so do what do you mean full ? Some some sub-window or the the whole ten seconds of speech or what ? 1011.7 1015.2 1020.28 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1012.467 1015.739 1012.69 1015.739 The full signal . So maybe I can 1014.44 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1017.671 1019.13 1017.9 1018.97 The wh the whole window . 1018.97 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1020.479 1040.244 1020.6 1040.16 No , that's that like he assumes yeah , sixty milliseconds or something he start with , so so then he can yeah , yeah . Yeah , then he can split that window at point N_ say point N_ , so then you will have gyro two no , you can segment it maybe . 1020.83 1024.0 1026.11 1029.01 1029.65 1029.97 1036.08 1038.54 1040.16 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1022.041 1024.338 1022.14 1024.338 It has to be also some somehow - IN1012 C MIO077 2 1025.987 1030.016 1026.12 1029.97 Okay , something longer window than the one we are speaking about , okay ? 1027.18 1029.65 1029.97 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1036.039 1037.371 1036.2 1037.01 Uh w - IN1012 C MIO077 2 1039.281 1047.173 1039.58 1046.96 Okay , so you have a window and then you split it to s two parts and you shift the the point where you split it or okay . 1039.84 1046.96 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1043.321 1063.854 1043.57 1063.8 Yeah , so yes , he's supposed this is your p window . So then you can move your like this . You can move your point , so that then this will be like one and this will be second . But again , he assumes some initial uh sizes for these windows . 1044.36 1046.41 1049.33 1052.25 1054.6 1058.75 1059.18 1063.8 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1054.097 1055.976 1054.17 1055.84 Okay , splitting point , okay . 1054.59 1055.5 1055.84 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1058.271 1058.73 1058.38 1058.64 Okay . 1058.64 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1064.952 1067.887 1065.03 1067.55 Okay , so basically we have two fixed points . 1065.29 1067.55 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1065.677 1091.016 1065.77 1091.016 Yeah . He don't start with the yeah , he don't s yeah , start with gyro sample or something . He's starting with uh so the l left window is starts at twenty milliseconds , so so you already hear like s suppose this is full signal , you're already here . So right window is should end at twelve point two , so you're to search basically in this range . So 1066.39 1067.78 1068.79 1071.59 1077.33 1081.36 1082.52 1085.58 1090.3 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1071.562 1073.003 1071.75 1072.9 Right , yeah . 1072.64 1072.9 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1073.336 1074.14 1073.39 1074.02 Yeah , okay . 1073.71 1074.02 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1077.087 1077.62 1077.16 1077.57 Mm-hmm . 1077.57 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1084.002 1084.67 1084.09 1084.58 Okay . 1084.58 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1090.64 1101.01 1090.66 1101.01 Okay , so once you have say one hour of speech , you start at the beginning , and first you try with twenty milliseconds . Then you shift to twenty five and so forth until you 1090.75 1093.36 1094.82 1096.99 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1094.612 1095.124 1094.71 1095.06 Yeah . 1095.06 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1096.668 1097.106 1096.76 1097.02 Yeah . 1097.02 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1098.626 1105.016 1098.81 1105.016 Yeah , and then if you the maximum is sixty millisecond frame for him . So if you don't find anything 1099.2 1103.27 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1102.899 1113.012 1102.96 1112.92 Okay , and and you find the point where where what ? Where where do you stop actually ? Yeah , mm I know , but you start at twenty and go to sixty , but where which point do you choose ? 1103.33 1105.67 1108.1 1108.47 1109.01 1111.29 1112.92 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1107.06 1108.55 1107.13 1108.49 Sixty milliseconds . If you d 1108.05 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1113.76 1144.784 1113.89 1144.784 No , the point is depending on the likelihood ratio . So he got so he supposed this so this is suppose se segment one , and this is segment two . So he compute this error here . So and then he p gives some kind of in terms of this residual letter . So this residual letter is for full gyro samples . Then there would be suppose this point is say N_ . So gyro to N_ and then like 1114.09 1116.15 1122.33 1124.04 1127.19 1134.11 1138.87 1141.92 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1116.386 1119.95 1116.74 1119.85 Uh okay , but which which likelihood ratio ? 1117.3 1119.85 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1124.62 1125.268 1124.75 1125.11 Okay . 1125.11 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1146.732 1150.626 1146.94 1150.626 So this the b basically the main he questions or here - IN1012 D MIO018 3 1150.534 1152.989 1150.62 1152.989 So he's maximising that or mm - IN1012 A MIO078 0 1152.956 1165.492 1153.09 1165.39 Yeah , he's for finding the likelihood for full frame , and then it's basically likelihood ratio test , so he's comparing the likelihood of the full segment divided by the likelihood of the the sub-segments . 1153.24 1157.22 1159.84 1165.39 IN1012 D MIO018 3 1158.227 1160.492 1158.34 1160.29 Mm . Mm-hmm . 1159.95 1160.29 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1164.772 1170.543 1164.88 1170.543 Yeah , but uh likelihood , that's something and something . W what is likelihood ? 1164.99 1166.72 1168.05 1170.25 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1169.904 1175.572 1170.07 1175.44 Likelihood of the uh like this likelihood is uh this error estimate of the residual . 1175.44 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1176.52 1177.136 1176.62 1177.09 Okay . 1177.09 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1178.271 1215.575 1178.37 1215.29 So residual power he can compare t so he after do after doing L_P_ he can get a l residual and then he can compare the power of the residual . So that he's proving that power is again maximum likelihood estimate of your L_P_ parameters . So that which interesting it's you don't really need to do a lot of computation , you just need to take the error of n uh residual of this full window and then residual of energy of the sub-windows and then you can just divide them and then the only thing is like again he has to use some threshold to decide , that that's only the p problem . 1185.85 1193.77 1198.59 1213.21 1215.29 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1180.634 1182.448 1180.71 1182.4 Yeah , but it has to yeah . 1180.84 1182.4 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1186.499 1187.512 1186.72 1187.28 Okay . 1187.28 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1188.826 1189.776 1188.85 1189.65 So it's basic - IN1012 D MIO018 3 1192.753 1193.327 1192.86 1193.16 Hmm . 1193.16 IN1012 D MIO018 3 1197.597 1198.255 1197.68 1198.21 Yeah . 1198.21 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1198.601 1199.206 1198.7 1199.206 So - IN1012 B MIO097 1 1202.758 1203.508 1203.05 1203.35 Right . 1203.35 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1205.994 1207.905 1206.01 1207.71 Mm . Yeah . 1207.46 1207.71 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1212.182 1215.449 1212.28 1215.449 Yeah , but still . If 1212.59 1214.9 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1213.347 1214.046 1213.43 1213.96 Mm-hmm . 1213.96 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1215.575 1236.288 1215.91 1236.18 He got uh he's founding something more uh around three or three point five E_S_T_ optimum threshold , but the and another advantage is like it's not really changing speech recognition , whatever , so not really changing because of the threshold , so . Uh you don't really need to f like fiddle with threshold a lot , so mm . 1222.12 1227.94 1228.38 1231.68 1232.55 1235.79 1236.18 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1221.913 1222.224 1222.07 1222.18 Mm-hmm . 1222.18 IN1012 D MIO018 3 1227.118 1227.651 1227.27 1227.62 Mm . 1227.62 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1229.87 1230.434 1229.98 1230.434 Mm - IN1012 D MIO018 3 1232.046 1232.776 1232.23 1232.67 Okay . 1232.67 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1236.68 1277.29 1236.84 1277.2 Yeah , but why do the main value which are comparing to , the the the overall value or overall likelihood or whatever you call it , why he's using the whole signal for this ? Because so if the whole signal was uh steady somehow and it it would be able to be modelled by L_P_ model , well , then the residue will be very low . So he's supposing that the whole signal won't be able to to be captured by L_P_ model and that the residue would be high enough or ho wh why he's comparing the o to to the overall ? 1236.95 1242.18 1247.88 1251.1 1259.86 1260.26 1262.8 1277.2 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1242.243 1242.703 1242.36 1242.58 Yeah . 1242.58 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1246.003 1247.622 1246.09 1247.51 Yeah . Yeah . 1247.29 1247.51 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1253.957 1254.582 1254.2 1254.43 Yeah . 1254.43 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1264.504 1265.066 1264.76 1265.0 Yeah . 1265.0 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1274.42 1313.836 1274.67 1313.76 Yeah , this is yeah , I understand . This is this is the actually basically some theoretical proof , like maybe if you want threshold you can see and he's coding from uh Leven like uh . No , this is from again yeah , statistical signal processing . What they say here is like suppose if you analyse two distinct or uh this L_P_ analysis in the same stationary analysis window , the coding will always be greater than the ones resulting from this analysis in two windows . Two stationary windows . 1275.11 1276.37 1276.86 1280.73 1289.18 1289.36 1290.89 1292.19 1303.83 1312.45 1313.76 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1275.589 1276.32 1275.75 1276.21 Mm . 1276.21 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1287.119 1290.99 1287.22 1290.74 You know , I I don't see the point of dividing over the the whole stuff . 1287.49 1290.74 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1313.776 1317.723 1313.8 1317.61 Y well , sounds sounds reasonable . 1316.08 1317.61 IN1012 D MIO018 3 1314.998 1315.572 1315.09 1315.42 Mm-hmm . 1315.42 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1315.867 1329.668 1315.867 1329.48 So the he's basically based on this theorem , so so what he's saying is like if you do this error , it will be always greater than the mm th these errors of two stationary windows . 1318.73 1323.71 1329.48 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1320.034 1320.539 1320.12 1320.41 Mm-hmm . 1320.41 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1320.259 1321.982 1320.73 1321.84 I see , I see , I see . 1321.15 1321.4 1321.84 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1321.984 1322.935 1322.18 1322.935 Well - IN1012 B MIO097 1 1326.0 1326.543 1326.13 1326.42 Mm-hmm . 1326.42 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1328.967 1355.778 1328.967 1355.19 Okay , that's reasonable . Because actually if it if if uh the whole signal would be able to be modelled by L_ uh by L_P_C_ then anyway he has to design some some framing . So even if it's very stationary by d um by dividing over this whole stuff , he is able to find some reasonable boundaries . Um m ma makes sense um . 1330.01 1330.86 1341.3 1348.67 1353.35 1355.19 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1333.039 1333.613 1333.08 1333.5 Yeah . 1333.5 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1341.082 1341.615 1341.14 1341.41 Yeah . 1341.41 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1348.787 1349.299 1348.81 1349.07 Yeah . 1349.07 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1353.129 1353.952 1353.21 1353.9 Yeah , probably . 1353.52 1353.9 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1355.03 1360.983 1355.14 1360.983 Yeah yeah yeah yeah . Yeah , this maybe I think yeah , this he's getting some improvement , but 1356.89 1357.06 1358.65 1360.64 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1357.351 1361.583 1357.6 1361.583 Okay . And 1359.63 IN1012 D MIO018 3 1359.164 1374.615 1359.4 1374.39 Yeah , ho yeah . How did you cope with what you mentioned some time before , that if it's a very long session for each twelve point five frame you will actually get the same segment now . So how d 1359.52 1361.25 1364.09 1373.84 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1373.08 1384.334 1373.18 1384.02 Yeah yeah yeah yeah . So he's just uh uh he's normalising the energy coefficient , because energy is really affected a lot . Uh so he's li 1374.35 1379.14 1381.71 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1373.32 1373.874 1373.45 1373.75 Mm . 1373.75 IN1012 D MIO018 3 1381.119 1381.902 1381.2 1381.77 Ah , okay . 1381.33 1381.77 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1383.421 1385.822 1383.54 1385.68 That has to be power , not energy definitely , no ? 1384.29 1385.51 1385.68 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1386.401 1395.535 1386.5 1395.41 Energy like , because C_ gyro component like , so he's using M_F_C_C_ so he's normalising the C_ gyro component for this t yeah . 1387.08 1389.39 1395.41 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1390.016 1401.439 1390.016 1401.07 Yeah , but it has to be normalised . By the length . Then power , instead of energy . Energy over length is power . 1391.23 1393.89 1396.16 1397.06 1399.44 1401.07 IN1012 D MIO018 3 1396.094 1396.825 1396.25 1396.56 Mm-hmm . 1396.56 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1398.944 1406.396 1399.04 1406.33 Power is again like yeah yeah yeah yeah , it's time like yeah . It's okay like samples , or you can see root mean square energy or something . 1401.37 1402.81 1403.87 1406.33 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1407.103 1437.703 1407.43 1437.6 Yeah , yeah . Duh duh duh duh duh . Okay . So but this so two things I still don't understand , thi this is supposed to be only for M_F_C_C_s and these easy features ah , one question I I wanted to ask before , does does he preserve within the feature vector the framing he's using finally , because does he somehow put the information about was the size about the frame to the feature vector itself or he's throwing away this framing ? 1407.7 1408.07 1410.3 1411.64 1415.82 1421.25 1423.97 1429.05 1437.6 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1415.882 1416.477 1416.02 1416.4 Yeah . 1416.4 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1422.286 1422.786 1422.45 1422.63 Yeah . 1422.63 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1435.622 1436.989 1435.74 1436.84 No , I don't think so . 1436.06 1436.84 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1436.339 1445.162 1436.58 1445.162 No . No , n no , you vo what you mean like the window lent . The sixty mil no , it i it doesn't really 1437.71 1438.64 1438.95 1441.92 1443.73 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1438.512 1440.162 1438.54 1440.07 There is no information . 1440.07 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1441.678 1450.86 1441.82 1450.68 Something like this , because the recogniser could be good for the recogniser to know what was the chosen framing by this extraction . 1442.6 1450.68 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1449.311 1464.011 1449.45 1463.94 Uh but I think it's he he doesn't use I guess , because uh uh then like you just you take these features and you train model , so . It really matters wh what frame shift you're using for models , like because how many he needs to use same freq 1451.61 1456.09 1456.8 1460.94 IN1012 D MIO018 3 1449.288 1450.163 1449.54 1449.7 Mm . 1449.7 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1450.049 1450.848 1450.17 1450.78 Hmm . 1450.78 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1456.717 1457.748 1456.97 1457.52 Okay . 1457.52 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1459.668 1470.671 1459.92 1470.37 So so it n uh it might be bad for then for the back end , it might screw up the the t speech rate or normaliser . 1465.59 1470.37 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1466.901 1493.102 1467.04 1492.98 No no , wait . No , he will get like every ten milliseconds he get one fra one features , like he it doesn't really depend , because suppose if you take your t case , like you your window i maybe longer , so doesn't really matter like how what size window you use or not . But I tell uh at every ten milliseconds whether you give some features or not really matters , no ? Like so . So it doe you can use uh thirty milliseconds or fifty millisecond window . 1467.33 1468.3 1468.4 1471.72 1474.16 1475.99 1477.96 1481.86 1487.12 1487.23 1489.11 1492.98 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1489.221 1490.297 1489.43 1489.94 Huh . 1489.94 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1494.193 1504.853 1494.3 1504.64 Oh , probably I didn't get it too , so the framing is actually equi-distant . Just the windows are wider oh ah , I see . Because it would be crazy , yeah , a little bit . 1494.51 1495.95 1498.76 1500.39 1501.09 1503.75 1503.92 1504.64 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1497.378 1517.529 1497.53 1517.529 Same . Yeah yeah yeah . Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah . Yeah yeah , framing it's like it's really yeah . Yeah , if you have if you're change framing , it's really I think even it's really problem , no ? Like if you try even models also I guess , if you change . It's not only with this model , it's in spectra and shifts in deltas , because 1498.39 1499.1 1500.58 1500.95 1503.52 1504.02 1505.39 1509.99 1510.08 1512.2 1513.04 1514.39 1516.93 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1499.667 1501.467 1499.79 1501.29 Yeah yeah yeah , right , right , right . 1500.31 1500.52 1500.97 1501.29 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1504.022 1504.92 1504.14 1504.8 Yeah , yeah . 1504.41 1504.8 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1506.4 1507.765 1506.42 1507.765 Yeah , it might be difficult . 1506.52 1507.39 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1507.737 1511.203 1507.85 1510.76 Oh I see , so so it's it's like this . 1508.81 1510.76 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1512.969 1526.687 1513.33 1526.36 Mm mm-hmm , probably . Who knows , maybe it's possible to use it somehow , but then there is uh information about temporal information is somehow included in such yeah . 1515.51 1517.01 1517.44 1519.4 1526.36 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1524.053 1528.904 1524.26 1528.904 Yeah , but it's really complicated I think . If you use yeah , that becomes really 1524.53 1526.14 1527.42 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1526.077 1534.925 1526.3 1534.82 Yeah . I cannot imagine the transformation to get the modulation spectrum out of such a stuff . Uh . 1527.2 1534.39 1534.82 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1533.957 1537.607 1534.09 1537.52 Yeah . But this is kind of interesting . 1535.25 1537.52 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1535.014 1546.183 1535.19 1546.183 Yeah . There is also some um like uh not paper , but I saw the algorithm I have been using even that called temporal decomposition , I don't know if you kn you know that like 1536.27 1539.87 1544.29 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1545.297 1548.356 1545.47 1548.21 Yeah yeah yeah , the temporal dec . 1546.3 1548.21 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1548.0 1577.659 1548.14 1577.31 Uh I don't know who propose it , I just had it from from BEAMbot for like a BEAMbot , do you know the guy ? He's French um somewhere now in teleconference like mm I don't know where he's working , but th we were using it for uh speech coding , so we just had a speech and you had decompose a speech into such segments , temporal segments which were stationary inside . And then you can more or less uh quantise those segments somehow and use it for encoding let's say , or and it worked prett yeah , yeah . 1550.12 1553.0 1553.67 1558.46 1561.25 1564.91 1568.14 1573.91 1577.06 1577.31 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1554.199 1554.815 1554.22 1554.73 Mm-hmm . 1554.73 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1556.414 1557.155 1556.46 1556.9 Yeah . 1556.9 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1561.091 1561.738 1561.14 1561.64 Yeah . 1561.64 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1567.824 1568.048 1567.84 1568.01 Yeah . 1568.01 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1570.003 1570.503 1570.16 1570.4 Yeah . 1570.4 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1572.453 1591.235 1572.55 1591.13 Yeah . Yeah , first this is proposed by like uh even we read one paper in our reading group , you remember that ? I have implemented , it's quite working well , like uh yeah . Mm . Yeah . Yeah , Honza is also worked for his be yeah . Uh i yeah . 1573.76 1573.99 1578.89 1580.18 1581.12 1582.37 1584.64 1586.01 1587.54 1587.67 1590.21 1591.13 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1579.978 1581.387 1580.12 1581.27 Mm . 1581.27 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1581.524 1591.556 1581.77 1591.4 They were using like S_V_D_ stuff , singular value decomposition for that and it worked pretty well , like I was surprised like . Yeah , yeah , exactly , uh he was using that . Yeah . 1583.4 1587.26 1589.12 1589.4 1589.56 1590.07 1591.19 1591.4 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1591.824 1596.585 1591.9 1596.36 So why don't you still use it ? If it works so well . 1594.9 1596.36 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1594.118 1596.118 1594.21 1596.118 Ne he was re he was quoting - IN1012 B MIO097 1 1594.144 1602.583 1594.5 1602.49 Oh well , it's it has been used for speech coding . Nob nobody use it for recognition stuff I think , I never heard that . 1595.21 1598.76 1601.72 1602.49 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1603.12 1611.533 1603.14 1611.533 Yeah , but you do the speech coding , so do you still use it ? Why ? 1603.3 1604.83 1607.51 1611.12 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1603.165 1604.167 1603.33 1604.167 But that - IN1012 B MIO097 1 1606.224 1612.955 1606.24 1612.955 No , I don't of course . Yeah , that's good question . Maybe . 1606.54 1608.34 1608.8 1611.79 1612.8 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1612.842 1652.159 1612.94 1652.159 Yeah , he was uh quoting that paper also , like v he was telling this uh this is kind of optimisation criteria what this temporal decomposition is doing like . You're trying to segment your s signal into like discreet windows and then so but he was telling like this uh relationship between optimation and and then cautious stationality is not really obvious . So stationality is again different , no ? Stationality is this is optimation , we want to like see some signal , few segments , which can really represent whole , so maybe that's why like this may not be really 1613.11 1615.36 1624.35 1639.61 1641.26 1641.32 1643.97 1647.06 1647.6 1649.83 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1613.259 1613.906 1613.47 1613.62 Mm . 1613.62 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1616.327 1617.548 1616.52 1617.39 Uh . 1617.39 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1626.043 1626.659 1626.16 1626.56 Right . 1626.56 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1629.122 1629.613 1629.2 1629.51 Right . 1629.51 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1638.38 1638.912 1638.51 1638.77 Mm-hmm . 1638.77 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1642.226 1643.218 1642.3 1643.12 Yeah , that's true . 1642.52 1643.12 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1648.541 1649.909 1648.62 1649.77 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 1649.48 1649.77 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1653.387 1654.838 1653.5 1654.71 Mm-hmm . That's true . 1654.3 1654.71 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1654.931 1656.319 1655.17 1656.2 Uh it's interesting , this . 1656.0 1656.2 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1655.478 1662.511 1655.61 1661.89 Yeah . Yeah , this one yeah , he's getting some improvement n uh this is a , yeah . 1656.35 1656.64 1658.12 1661.58 1661.89 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1659.662 1662.783 1659.662 1662.783 That's important . 1662.65 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1663.823 1704.807 1663.93 1704.807 Well there should be after each conference there should be something like ten people should sit down , read the papers , and then rank them . You know , a all the all the all the similar papers within one session say sp uh focus to this topic , and say this is the best , this works slightly worse than this one , and throw away what is not that good and and th the first three three papers which are the best shou should be implemented and used from from that time onwards , like forget the all the M_F_C_C_s , because it's too old , and then start building the story on the new stuff and not 'cause it's 1670.04 1671.56 1673.46 1673.72 1679.89 1681.78 1683.53 1694.69 1697.05 1698.95 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1671.349 1672.601 1671.45 1672.3 All the papers . 1672.3 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1679.48 1680.096 1679.52 1680.01 Okay . 1680.01 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1686.794 1690.688 1686.88 1690.54 I think people wouldn't like it . Many people wouldn't like it . 1689.31 1690.54 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1692.929 1694.548 1693.03 1694.548 No no no , they again 1693.55 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1700.704 1701.16 1700.72 1701.07 Right . 1701.07 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1702.367 1737.282 1702.367 1737.282 But again uh , getting that ten papers is really difficult task . It takes maybe years and again uh it definitely like who will who will choose the ten papers like , and if we asked yeah , but yeah , those things are practically kind of really but I think this kind of things what you showed I mean what you said is really good , like if people start implementing like some people propose something in feature level , some propose in something in model level , but these two are really independent , no ? When really work combine these two or 1703.69 1707.07 1712.73 1716.64 1717.02 1723.99 1729.75 1732.35 1734.17 1734.31 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1708.664 1716.344 1708.74 1716.21 Yeah , it is but I know , I know , uh th this is just a theory . 1709.26 1713.8 1714.11 1716.21 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1708.973 1710.226 1709.02 1709.79 Yeah , yeah , yeah sure . 1709.3 1709.4 1709.79 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1712.736 1715.261 1712.736 1714.88 Exactly . 1714.88 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1719.543 1720.232 1719.65 1720.232 Because - IN1012 C MIO077 2 1727.122 1727.958 1727.36 1727.78 Mm yeah . 1727.78 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1731.788 1735.588 1732.02 1735.49 Yes , and I want to yeah . 1732.93 1735.49 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1735.476 1744.953 1735.476 1744.953 Right . And everybody's uh like uh using different training and testing data and then you don't know if like 1737.81 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1741.059 1750.438 1741.13 1750.438 Yeah , especially features , like suppose if somebody come with different good features , again people st again use M_F_C_C_s 1742.54 1743.53 1746.9 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1743.797 1744.528 1744.0 1744.32 Yeah . 1744.32 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1748.085 1755.712 1748.23 1755.712 They show it works for TIMIT , but then you try to use some different databases , you see it doesn't work . 1750.26 1753.33 1755.62 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1753.312 1754.145 1753.33 1754.145 It looks like - IN1012 A MIO078 0 1754.42 1770.846 1754.62 1770.846 No no , it it's not really sure also , make suppose uh people you can't really force people to use same features , so so they wo they will be happy with their own features and their own scripts , so their bit rate like tend to change features every time and it's 1754.88 1756.36 1761.75 1766.63 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1761.115 1763.892 1761.31 1763.52 Yeah , sure . Yeah , yeah , you can . 1761.54 1762.19 1762.35 1763.19 1763.52 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1767.039 1767.676 1767.24 1767.5 Mm . 1767.5 IN1012 D MIO018 3 1769.214 1774.883 1769.35 1774.78 Sorry . Mm uh what it's a little bit what NIST is trying to do , no ? So . 1769.83 1772.73 1774.23 1774.78 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1773.149 1776.239 1773.26 1776.19 Yeah , exactly , yeah yeah yeah . NIST evaluations . 1773.43 1773.98 1775.04 1776.19 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1773.48 1773.971 1773.57 1773.86 Yeah ? 1773.86 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1773.886 1774.356 1773.98 1774.21 Hmm . 1774.21 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1776.172 1790.543 1776.28 1790.543 Yeah . Because to me it seems that everyone is still comparing to P_L_P_s or M_F_C_C_s , and there are so many new systems and everything is new , but it baseline is still uh t twenty years old and 1777.92 1783.5 1786.47 IN1012 D MIO018 3 1776.501 1778.383 1776.67 1778.3 Yeah , bu 1778.01 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1778.477 1780.212 1778.61 1780.212 But even NIST you can - IN1012 B MIO097 1 1786.439 1820.446 1786.63 1820.446 Yeah , but nobody you know , it's those new systems are still not general , like you know , like those P_L_P_ and M_F_C_C_s , because everybody knows that di it worked somehow , right , for any kind of data . That's why they're comparing to to that , so . Once somebody will come with something new , okay , he he's showing it works for some datas , but still yeah , yeah . First it's difficult to to show that it works for all all the datas , right , because it's really and 1786.88 1788.61 1792.77 1793.27 1795.08 1797.51 1797.97 1800.44 1802.59 1803.29 1805.44 1805.72 1808.03 1811.32 1812.35 1815.93 1816.14 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1788.556 1789.078 1788.65 1788.97 Yeah . 1788.97 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1796.904 1797.531 1797.01 1797.42 Yeah , yeah . 1797.22 1797.42 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1799.747 1800.258 1799.9 1800.18 Yeah ? 1800.18 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1804.557 1806.07 1804.557 1805.83 Uh yeah . 1805.83 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1805.219 1806.221 1805.219 1806.221 Then - IN1012 A MIO078 0 1808.058 1812.956 1808.25 1812.956 So at lea especially L_V_C_S_R_ in really big systems , then people 1811.92 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1808.721 1811.581 1808.92 1811.581 No okay , so 1811.05 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1815.851 1819.919 1816.07 1819.84 Yeah . Yeah . Because yeah , it's it's again you don't know . 1816.9 1817.54 1818.13 1819.84 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1818.63 1828.007 1819.05 1828.007 So it should be every papers then should contain all the results from NIST evaluation or some standard task then . Otherwise 1827.13 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1825.193 1831.665 1825.54 1831.665 Oh . No , then uh there will be only one conference in three years or something for speech , because 1826.41 1826.59 1830.25 IN1012 D MIO018 3 1830.014 1833.021 1830.25 1832.93 Yeah , but then we all optimise uh on the same task . 1830.43 1832.93 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1832.965 1836.683 1833.12 1836.51 Uh uh that's the other yeah . 1836.51 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1834.13 1834.777 1834.29 1834.59 Yeah . 1834.59 IN1012 D MIO018 3 1834.681 1838.536 1834.85 1838.41 So you cannot get anything new out of that after some time . 1838.41 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1839.725 1840.753 1839.86 1840.753 But again like - IN1012 C MIO077 2 1839.706 1849.348 1840.05 1849.348 Okay , so it could be you you would have to publish the results on this standard task , and then you could say well , I also tried on this and this 1840.26 1846.23 1847.81 IN1012 D MIO018 3 1849.326 1858.237 1849.52 1858.237 Yeah , but then you run out of time . No , i ideally you're correct , uh but 1849.74 1850.93 1851.01 1857.74 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1850.9 1855.98 1850.9 1855.98 That's so you can publish only once in three years or - IN1012 C MIO077 2 1850.995 1857.091 1850.995 1857.03 Yeah . You know , but then then only it makes some progress , this . 1852.9 1854.37 1856.68 1857.03 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1858.051 1896.868 1858.18 1896.868 Yeah . But even people are doing suppose in Interspeech there was uh some challenge for speech synthesis , so so what's is uh like it challenge was really good , like sup they give the database , so you have to work on that database . What technique t use is it's your choice like , but that database and then the results analysis is they decide , so . Even speech recognition also some tests are coming , like for phone segmentation or something . People give some database and then you have to dis you can use whatever you want and you have to produce even for features also like features also I think 1858.77 1864.99 1868.54 1870.63 1872.0 1875.68 1880.15 1881.43 1883.86 1886.3 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1874.19 1875.579 1874.36 1875.5 Yeah , that's your choice . 1874.71 1875.5 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1889.198 1889.709 1889.34 1889.65 Mm . 1889.65 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1890.453 1890.954 1890.6 1890.82 Mm-hmm . 1890.82 IN1012 D MIO018 3 1892.189 1892.659 1892.29 1892.56 Mm . 1892.56 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1892.37 1900.338 1892.51 1900.01 Yeah , but can for for example can you use from some data from from the L_T_ world ? For training say ? 1892.63 1898.89 1900.01 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1898.295 1905.85 1898.37 1905.76 Yeah yeah , the they they designed the data such a way that it's it's really like really real uh data . 1898.72 1905.76 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1905.978 1909.426 1906.12 1909.28 Yeah , but they give you also training data or only the testing data ? 1906.24 1909.28 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1907.568 1909.739 1907.74 1909.739 No no , i just for 1908.68 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1907.82 1926.903 1908.03 1926.903 No no , for s nay , speech synthesis it's like they give you some data , so whether like you use for training or l you can you can do like data driven or like model based approach or whatever like . At the end then they will ask you to synthesise some sentence and you have to synthesise them and then you have to send them 1908.24 1909.23 1912.15 1920.43 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1911.616 1914.143 1911.69 1913.86 Oh , i uh since this is only okay . 1911.88 1913.86 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1925.639 1932.253 1925.74 1931.91 Okay , so so they give you only the training or development data only ? Mm-hmm . Yeah . 1925.93 1929.93 1931.56 1931.91 IN1012 D MIO018 3 1926.136 1935.0 1926.57 1934.93 So yeah . Ho how how do they how do they evaluate ? I just don't know . 1930.17 1933.84 1934.93 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1929.112 1932.313 1929.16 1932.313 Your training data , onl no development , training , no yeah , training 1930.03 1930.89 1931.26 1931.87 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1929.279 1929.967 1929.35 1929.75 Yeah . 1929.75 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1933.653 1949.111 1933.76 1949.111 Evaluate it's again subject to s uh because for speech synthes yeah . Yeah , listen and yeah d yeah , even uh they it's mostly they use native speakers only , because they can really judge well , so . 1939.63 1939.81 1942.86 1945.72 1948.16 1948.94 IN1012 D MIO018 3 1936.689 1941.463 1936.92 1941.38 So they ask peop they ask people to sit and listen basically ? Yeah ? 1940.88 1941.38 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1939.527 1942.011 1939.85 1941.89 I think so , yeah , probably , mm . 1940.49 1941.04 1941.6 1941.89 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1942.695 1943.447 1943.05 1943.27 Hmm . 1943.27 IN1012 D MIO018 3 1946.275 1946.881 1946.35 1946.83 Hmm . 1946.83 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1947.664 1948.23 1947.84 1948.09 Mm . 1948.09 IN1012 D MIO018 3 1949.477 1957.827 1949.6 1957.827 Okay . But they d they don't have any measure like you have an original speech , you transcribe it and 1950.77 1955.79 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1955.059 1983.488 1955.11 1983.488 Yeah yeah yeah yeah . Yeah , yeah yeah . So even they propose some kind of word error rate . So you have the original speech , so i the synthesised speech , is there any words which are not matching ? So even speech synthesis , they're also uh introduced this W_E_R_ term , so . Uh . But this was really quite successful like in this conference , Interspeech . So a lot of people participated in uh I think even they're continuing this for uh next year and 1956.02 1956.7 1957.78 1960.43 1962.33 1963.74 1966.34 1967.75 1970.94 1971.29 1972.6 1975.87 1977.12 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1965.953 1966.486 1966.07 1966.35 Mm-hmm . 1966.35 IN1012 D MIO018 3 1969.216 1971.68 1969.216 1971.51 Okay . 1971.51 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1976.741 1977.222 1976.82 1977.19 Mm-hmm . 1977.19 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1979.866 1981.269 1979.93 1981.269 Ri I - IN1012 D MIO018 3 1980.043 1980.544 1980.16 1980.43 Hmm . 1980.43 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1983.747 1986.847 1983.86 1986.79 It's just T_T_S_ , right , text to speech ? Right . 1984.86 1985.08 1986.53 1986.79 IN1012 C MIO077 2 1984.044 1984.639 1984.28 1984.56 Hmm . 1984.56 IN1012 A MIO078 0 1985.609 2024.733 1985.73 2024.55 Text to speech . But uh I heard like even for I_CASSP next year there is some com uh like computation by Martin Krug , Sheffield , and on this feature extraction stuff and so at least if you make task simple focus , then it may be good to compare these features and but if you s use some uh large vocabulary system , it takes t six months to build and at the end you don't know whether your features are really uh so . So maybe that's for like people are always using P_L_P_s or M_F_C_C_s , it's it's such a b like lot of time involved , so you can't really check many thi 1987.1 1993.78 1994.19 2001.63 2007.37 2015.65 2018.97 2022.43 IN1012 D MIO018 3 1994.784 1995.188 1994.8 1995.04 Hmm . 1995.04 IN1012 B MIO097 1 1996.535 1997.036 1996.64 1996.9 Mm-hmm . 1996.9 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2009.601 2010.351 2009.86 2010.02 Hmm . 2010.02 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2010.111 2010.883 2010.25 2010.76 Mm-hmm . 2010.76 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2012.908 2013.775 2013.04 2013.6 Right , right . 2013.36 2013.6 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2013.747 2014.384 2013.82 2014.19 Mm . 2014.19 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2014.838 2015.256 2014.94 2015.09 Mm . 2015.09 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2023.743 2034.955 2023.91 2034.78 So maybe well , but then well no , if somebody like NIST will have one recogniser and you just plug a different feature , but uh it's dangerous . 2025.7 2027.18 2032.01 2034.78 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2032.239 2057.756 2032.39 2057.756 Yeah , yeah yeah yeah . But at least in IDIAP we have this numbers recogniser is almost kind of free , so everybody is using so that's what we are doing , no ? Almost almost like we are putting different features and I think yeah , yeah , numbers recogniser is not really different from like uh a f at least in IDIAP we have almost same , but maybe you are using twenty nine , that's for you it's different , but one more 2032.58 2033.47 2037.22 2040.53 2040.6 2044.74 2045.27 2053.47 2055.1 2056.34 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2038.48 2038.949 2038.56 2038.81 Right . 2038.81 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2042.509 2043.031 2042.61 2042.97 Mm . 2042.97 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2048.452 2052.566 2048.51 2052.48 Hmm . Yeah . Yeah . 2050.12 2052.0 2052.48 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2050.28 2051.042 2050.42 2050.63 Uh . 2050.63 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2053.168 2061.79 2053.3 2061.79 Al almost . Yeah . We are a couple of people at IDIAP and there are already two s two different setups . 2055.39 2056.56 2061.74 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2060.815 2067.479 2060.815 2067.29 But at least i twenty seven . Hemant and we're all using twenty seven , so . Yeah . 2063.74 2065.71 2066.95 2067.29 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2060.88 2064.273 2061.02 2064.273 Hem Hemant is using difference - IN1012 B MIO097 1 2062.107 2066.981 2062.2 2066.95 Are they ? For O_G_I_s ? For O_G_I_ numbers ? 2063.72 2065.78 2066.95 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2067.138 2069.096 2067.16 2069.096 Stories and numbers , or 2068.47 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2068.613 2074.325 2068.75 2074.325 Different setups ? Like some people use this setup and some people that ? 2069.91 2074.15 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2071.653 2082.194 2071.82 2082.194 Yeah . Uh I think we use di distinct train and test set , even se the different sets of phonemes . Different 2073.17 2076.07 2081.29 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2072.312 2075.224 2072.39 2075.224 Seems - IN1012 A MIO078 0 2072.864 2074.362 2072.88 2073.52 Yeah . 2073.52 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2080.421 2083.627 2080.58 2083.627 No , but the problem is you're using only digits , so maybe that's how you 2080.69 2082.38 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2083.811 2091.484 2083.91 2091.43 Well , I don't use only digits . My M_L_P_s are trained on everything and uh test set is digits , yeah . 2084.23 2085.59 2090.92 2091.43 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2087.124 2114.192 2087.124 2114.192 No , but test set is digits , your m main task is digits k yeah , that's uh like but O_G_I_ numbers are there like now we're little bit convulsed , like we're using twenty seven phones and before it was like twenty four , twenty five . But it's better , like once you have like whatever the back end , then you can put features like whether they're gammas or like spectral entropies or M_F_C_C_s or whatever . Then at least you can see 2088.26 2089.59 2092.44 2097.32 2101.29 2103.26 2103.94 2106.31 2112.81 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2091.877 2092.535 2091.97 2092.25 Uh-huh . 2092.25 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2099.63 2100.319 2099.71 2100.18 Hmm . 2100.18 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2103.661 2106.285 2103.661 2106.285 So you just - IN1012 D MIO018 3 2107.808 2108.138 2107.83 2108.0 Mm . 2108.0 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2110.498 2111.389 2110.79 2111.27 Yeah . 2111.27 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2112.588 2121.533 2112.67 2121.36 Would be mm would be nice for Aurora maybe to have that . Aur Aurora . Yeah . 2118.64 2120.98 2121.36 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2115.94 2118.27 2116.01 2118.27 Uh ? Yeah yeah yeah . But Aurora is 2116.06 2117.19 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2117.0 2118.284 2117.1 2118.2 For for what ? 2118.2 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2119.914 2128.095 2120.02 2128.095 Aurora task . So but Aurora , is it really big database , or I mean how much time it takes to set up system and then 2122.57 2123.16 2125.01 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2120.432 2120.948 2120.45 2120.87 Ah . 2120.87 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2121.766 2122.517 2121.87 2122.35 Oh yeah . 2122.35 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2127.788 2131.285 2127.93 2131.06 No no , but yeah , yeah . 2128.28 2130.76 2131.06 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2127.732 2132.35 2127.94 2132.35 No , uh it's . I dunno , I I've been working with that and 2128.46 2129.96 2130.52 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2129.567 2147.965 2129.68 2147.59 It's fast , no ? But the problem is Aurora again , these models are word based models , no ? Yeah , so again here we use triphones and so but definitely , I d if we want to show noise setting , it's you have to show on Aurora also , like Aurora is real time . 2130.18 2131.6 2132.93 2134.73 2135.82 2136.08 2141.24 2143.48 2145.31 2147.59 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2132.753 2136.365 2132.753 2136.2 Yeah . 2136.2 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2135.088 2136.052 2135.11 2135.87 Right , yeah , yeah . 2135.46 2135.69 2135.87 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2135.595 2136.273 2135.73 2136.2 Mm . 2136.2 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2138.432 2138.672 2138.46 2138.63 Hmm . 2138.63 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2141.808 2142.191 2141.84 2142.11 Yeah . 2142.11 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2144.924 2166.978 2144.94 2166.63 For noise conditions , yeah , it's pretty good . Well , th those f recognisers are are made there or just you just use them , that's it . You don't have to play with it . She even is f it was forbidden in the time , right , so you have recogniser , just use it . Don't play with it You just play with the features . Yeah , right , exactly . So . 2146.03 2146.21 2147.52 2147.77 2152.36 2152.78 2154.45 2156.71 2156.91 2158.85 2159.82 2163.12 2164.41 2165.01 2166.27 2166.63 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2152.453 2152.944 2152.55 2152.8 Yeah . 2152.8 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2152.941 2153.519 2153.15 2153.41 Hmm . 2153.41 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2159.696 2160.248 2159.77 2160.17 Yeah . 2160.17 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2159.718 2164.804 2159.81 2164.66 Yeah , you cannot play with that . Because of the voices wouldn't be comparable then . 2160.48 2162.47 2164.66 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2161.597 2163.484 2161.71 2163.484 Yeah , yeah yeah . But yeah 2162.08 2162.87 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2164.916 2196.703 2165.01 2196.38 Yeah , at least I mean wha those studies I think people already did for even in I_C_ I_C_S_L_P_ two thousand two there is special session on features for Aurora , so yeah , yeah , i yeah yeah . This ICSI features and this uh s uh s uh O_G_I_ features and all this . So there are already people but again like uh , at the end like for L_V_C_S_R_ people are using P_L_P_s or M_F_C_C_s or nothing of these fancy feature 2165.18 2174.68 2176.14 2176.3 2178.34 2185.11 2188.44 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2171.432 2173.279 2171.51 2173.17 Yeah , yeah . Ri right . 2171.77 2171.94 2173.17 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2174.704 2177.826 2174.83 2177.64 Yeah , yeah , I remember . With David Pearce he was . 2174.97 2175.24 2176.5 2177.64 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2180.526 2182.11 2180.56 2182.03 Yeah yeah , exactly . 2181.2 2182.03 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2181.644 2182.145 2181.77 2182.01 Uh . 2182.01 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2193.537 2217.008 2193.69 2217.008 Hmm . Because who is the one who makes who actually uses what we d try to do here ? These are companies or because it's not scientists , scientists just start from P_L_P_ and then design the new features , new back end , or new anything , but they start from the old stuff . But who is the one who is using these results which we publish and try to make 2194.03 2200.95 2203.3 2208.09 2208.77 2210.07 2212.44 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2212.412 2213.049 2212.55 2212.75 Yeah . 2212.75 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2214.78 2215.43 2214.88 2215.43 New - IN1012 A MIO078 0 2216.829 2222.266 2216.98 2222.16 But maybe my have a f for publishing another paper or something . 2222.16 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2217.47 2222.971 2217.77 2222.971 We are using those results more or less . 2222.74 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2218.864 2238.849 2218.864 2238.75 Yeah , but once you once you finish your P_H_D_ you go and it's over . And those who don't ? They stay and publish another papers and they but they they don't turn into a life , no ? into life . 2222.93 2230.62 2232.51 2237.08 2237.77 2238.75 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2226.723 2227.379 2226.9 2227.11 Mm . 2227.11 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2227.593 2231.922 2227.74 2231.76 But not everybody go . Not everybody . Many people stay , so . 2229.41 2230.48 2231.32 2231.76 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2228.552 2230.048 2228.74 2230.048 Yeah . 2229.9 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2235.348 2248.971 2235.48 2248.971 But maybe Guillaume , you can tell , no ? Like uh you worked i with these Siemens people or no , Siemens or these Daimler Chrystler . What kind of features do you use , like do you use um any you don't yeah , you don't 2237.91 2238.47 2238.59 2242.16 2244.92 2246.35 2248.61 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2243.343 2245.106 2243.39 2245.01 Yeah , Daimler , yeah . 2244.1 2244.66 2245.01 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2247.779 2261.108 2247.96 2260.99 I don't know . You know , they're extremely secretive . I had a hard time just to get the signals . So I asked other questions but uh it's quite tough , yeah . Yeah . 2248.54 2248.87 2251.29 2254.58 2259.32 2260.72 2260.99 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2250.491 2254.18 2250.6 2254.1 Ah ok okay . Okay . 2253.68 2254.1 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2250.837 2251.725 2251.04 2251.54 Mm uh-huh . 2251.54 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2256.64 2257.237 2256.68 2257.1 Ah ok - IN1012 A MIO078 0 2259.339 2281.951 2259.42 2281.83 Yeah , even s yeah . I didn't discuss anything with Sunil also , like I dunno , technical discussions , anything . these kind of things are a bit , yeah . Yeah , yeah . But do you have any like feeling that whether they go for all these new features or they usually use only mm . Maybe yeah . 2259.73 2261.16 2263.21 2264.33 2266.29 2266.72 2267.96 2268.9 2269.62 2270.78 2279.39 2281.83 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2265.073 2265.772 2265.15 2265.66 Yeah . 2265.66 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2265.879 2266.711 2266.04 2266.711 Because - IN1012 D MIO018 3 2268.432 2270.518 2268.45 2270.32 Yeah , they have to yeah . 2268.75 2270.32 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2270.344 2271.451 2270.43 2271.23 I I won - IN1012 C MIO077 2 2274.714 2280.007 2274.85 2279.82 Yes . I wonder which level they are using out of what is there . 2276.79 2279.82 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2278.294 2295.685 2278.5 2295.64 They have yeah , they have to do some test in their Mercedes , some speech recognition test , mm but it seems now they mm at least Daimler , they mostly work on dialogue management , uh but not much on features and recognition . 2279.13 2281.63 2284.2 2287.14 2290.32 2295.64 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2289.424 2290.063 2289.44 2289.93 Mm-hmm . 2289.93 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2293.032 2293.637 2293.11 2293.51 Hmm . 2293.51 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2295.37 2307.937 2295.52 2307.67 But even they don't believe like with one paper or two I guess , because at least for them no P_L_P_s or M_F_C_C_s , they know that okay , these things work on every task , so okay , we can pu put hands on these things yeah . 2298.41 2301.17 2302.36 2304.05 2304.5 2307.67 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2296.656 2297.265 2296.73 2296.96 Hmm . 2296.96 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2299.265 2299.934 2299.38 2299.78 No . 2299.78 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2299.716 2303.516 2299.84 2303.48 Yeah , sure . But exactly . 2300.2 2302.15 2303.48 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2303.221 2303.983 2303.34 2303.83 Yeah . 2303.83 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2303.89 2314.188 2304.03 2314.03 Yeah . I d I mm . I doubt they are trying right now . I doubt that at Daimler they are trying right now , but maybe other companies , mm . 2306.02 2307.45 2310.15 2312.32 2313.86 2314.03 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2306.046 2306.863 2306.16 2306.863 They grab - IN1012 C MIO077 2 2309.327 2309.922 2309.44 2309.81 Hmm . 2309.81 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2309.493 2309.952 2309.61 2309.87 Huh ? 2309.87 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2313.637 2329.14 2313.76 2329.14 Yeah , yeah yeah yeah . Maybe like yeah , f because Sunil is working in Nokia , he's a expert in kind of features or yeah , it l I think . But yeah , we're not sure , even Sunil won't tell us . 2314.25 2315.15 2315.81 2317.77 2321.29 2322.52 2324.01 2326.1 2328.89 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2314.584 2315.2 2314.7 2315.06 Hmm . 2315.06 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2318.989 2319.626 2319.08 2319.55 Uh . 2319.55 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2319.235 2325.536 2319.38 2325.38 Okay , so we can hope that Nokia will be using tandem tandem P_L_P_s . 2319.69 2325.38 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2326.127 2326.764 2326.28 2326.57 No . 2326.57 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2327.739 2329.689 2327.739 2329.38 Yeah , I cannot . 2328.46 2329.38 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2329.008 2335.95 2329.16 2335.95 Well , many people place with Tandem , right , like M_I_T_ or who is using that some not M_I_T_ , but somebody 2329.34 2330.74 2330.99 2335.0 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2333.022 2338.637 2333.022 2338.637 No , no n no , this uh Cohen , you mean like uh uh 2333.66 2335.22 2336.55 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2337.593 2362.248 2337.72 2362.21 I dunno , Hynek told told us that somebody's using that um very actively , like okay , it it works for them and and they are close to like industry like uh you know , there is it's a research group of I know , I don't think it's ICSI . Somebody else or I don't know , somebody new uh s but I think some t somebody like A_T_ and A_T_ and T_ or what ? 2338.15 2342.95 2343.67 2348.36 2352.84 2353.7 2356.38 2362.21 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2345.398 2346.18 2345.51 2345.99 Hmm . 2345.99 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2349.062 2349.901 2349.14 2349.81 Oh ok - IN1012 C MIO077 2 2349.117 2351.633 2349.23 2351.53 Huh . So it's not related to ICSI . 2349.69 2351.53 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2352.793 2353.252 2352.96 2353.11 Huh . 2353.11 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2357.799 2360.053 2357.82 2359.93 Uh . But this was signal company , no like ? 2357.88 2359.59 2359.93 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2362.109 2369.085 2362.31 2369.04 This voice signal company , Hy Hynek always mentions uh Cohen's company with what they're using , you n yeah . 2363.61 2368.24 2369.04 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2365.338 2366.017 2365.4 2365.92 Cohen ? 2365.92 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2365.829 2379.882 2365.92 2379.882 Oh qu yeah . You me I don't know , he's even if Qualcomm ? No . Now y oh yeah yeah . For right , right . No , I don't know if it's 2368.79 2371.02 2372.88 2374.81 2376.45 2377.51 2377.91 2378.15 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2368.501 2370.191 2368.7 2370.13 Jorda Jordan Cohen . 2370.13 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2372.175 2385.605 2372.28 2385.23 Voice no no , voice signal . They make uh recognition for these Samsung phones and yeah . Uh they have like really s many recognisers I guess . Maybe definitely they may be using P_L_P_s or you know . 2373.31 2374.6 2378.79 2382.43 2385.23 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2372.957 2373.771 2373.15 2373.57 No no . 2373.57 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2378.624 2379.697 2378.64 2379.697 Yeah , but it was 2378.76 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2381.441 2382.182 2381.56 2382.06 Mm . 2382.06 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2381.604 2403.845 2381.7 2403.75 Yeah , I think so . Yeah , definitely . Maybe they are using P_L_P_s and but I th I believe that there is still some stuff up to yeah , for RASTA or whatever else , like all those decorrelations and transformations . I think it's there , but more or less it's again based on M_F_C_C_s or something like that . Or maybe traps . 2381.89 2382.47 2382.82 2384.75 2392.01 2393.29 2397.92 2398.67 2402.7 2403.75 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2387.366 2395.962 2387.57 2395.79 Yeah RASTA or RASTA or something you mean . Mm . Yeah , because mm . 2392.71 2394.09 2394.29 2395.79 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2396.864 2397.479 2396.88 2397.22 Hmm . 2397.22 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2399.564 2400.064 2399.75 2399.9 Hmm . 2399.9 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2401.603 2415.618 2401.78 2415.5 Hmm . Because they grab whatever is certain to work , and they they use it . They don't use anything which is to uh too new which is not that safe . 2402.48 2406.04 2408.46 2415.5 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2402.419 2403.324 2402.48 2403.324 Yeah , but again 2402.72 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2414.318 2424.604 2414.44 2424.604 Yeah , too new is really definitely because like want to at least see i at least four , five years of results of some new features and some consistent results or 2414.75 2419.78 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2414.346 2417.571 2414.45 2417.41 No , more or less I think yeah . 2414.56 2417.41 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2422.08 2450.568 2422.35 2450.5 It's like a it's like a NASA , you know , they use four , eight four , eight , six , machines to to to to put two n uh space ships , because it's it's known to work perfectly well or Pentium , not any P_ four or whatever , because it's safe , it has been working for twenty years , and then only it safe to put well not twenty but it's always yeah yeah , of course . 2425.74 2426.0 2427.39 2428.16 2428.31 2428.57 2434.21 2438.59 2440.55 2442.13 2444.39 2449.88 2450.5 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2430.596 2434.68 2430.67 2434.42 Ah . Uh space or ah , okay . 2432.35 2434.11 2434.42 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2436.821 2437.447 2436.91 2437.32 Right . 2437.32 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2444.407 2447.479 2444.55 2447.479 Yeah yeah yeah . Mm . 2446.94 2447.35 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2445.131 2464.05 2445.26 2464.05 That's true , it's true . But that's different situation , because right ? They need that it doesn't create that much , yeah . If something happened with the machine and uh I don't kn the alloc system , it doesn't matter , right ? Somebody will fix it and change it , but 2445.97 2447.96 2449.38 2451.12 2453.7 2454.97 2459.34 2459.94 2460.61 2463.18 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2450.314 2450.912 2450.41 2450.88 Yeah . 2450.88 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2452.598 2455.52 2452.598 2455.52 Of course . 2455.32 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2455.104 2456.557 2455.12 2456.37 But yeah , d 2455.93 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2460.01 2475.227 2460.01 2475.227 Yeah , uh another issue is like again the computational issues , no ? If they want to make on mobile , they don't want really use some fancy , really expensive computationally expensive features or all these 2463.58 2466.86 2466.93 2468.98 2470.84 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2462.845 2464.098 2463.08 2463.93 Mm yeah . 2463.93 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2468.074 2468.585 2468.1 2468.46 Sure . 2468.46 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2472.944 2473.296 2472.944 2473.26 Mm . 2473.26 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2473.672 2473.952 2473.8 2473.9 Mm . 2473.9 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2475.249 2493.926 2475.47 2493.8 Hynek also told about this Cohen ce cell phone , which he was showing to to work l uh with the L_V_C_S_R_ . He he was saying that there is something really really uh simple , the decoder I mean , not the features , but he was mentioning something to the decoder . This is just there is almo 2478.79 2483.01 2487.52 2488.39 2488.98 2491.73 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2480.238 2480.927 2480.29 2480.927 Yeah yeah , it 2480.81 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2482.73 2483.356 2482.82 2483.17 Yeah . 2483.17 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2492.535 2494.59 2492.66 2494.59 It's just phone recognition or something like - IN1012 B MIO097 1 2493.035 2498.864 2493.3 2498.864 Even even not Viterbi , just even something simpler . Yeah . 2495.43 2498.58 2498.83 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2495.711 2501.249 2495.82 2501.249 Yeah , something like no D_T_W_ or something , I don't know , I'm not really sure , but he mention that 2496.26 2498.66 2499.2 2500.07 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2495.98 2496.659 2496.18 2496.46 Yeah . 2496.46 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2500.008 2516.802 2500.17 2516.802 But most of the time mobiles , they use D D_T_W_ kind of thing , no like ? All these uh so voice calling yeah , voice calling and these thing , because that's easy like , because they don't really need to put lot of uh memory and these things , otherwise if they want to build a real 2501.48 2503.44 2504.1 2506.81 2508.43 2509.44 2514.57 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2504.182 2510.723 2504.49 2510.56 Uh I don't know . Do you think so ? Yeah ? Oh yeah yeah , yeah yeah , that's true . Yeah , sure . 2505.58 2507.0 2507.74 2508.26 2508.6 2509.81 2510.1 2510.56 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2512.181 2512.651 2512.25 2512.54 Yeah . 2512.54 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2512.571 2513.177 2512.79 2513.06 Mm . 2513.06 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2517.346 2526.401 2517.47 2526.21 But there you could send an S_M_S_ I think , or something like that . Uh you could dictate text , so . On a phone , yeah . 2519.61 2520.51 2523.56 2525.07 2525.94 2526.21 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2521.724 2522.215 2521.81 2522.07 Hmm ? 2522.07 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2522.469 2526.527 2522.63 2526.32 Yeah yeah , yeah . Where where ? Mm . Yeah yeah . 2523.11 2523.83 2524.52 2525.94 2526.32 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2523.781 2525.002 2523.85 2524.92 That was impressive . 2524.92 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2524.14 2527.919 2524.36 2527.919 Even on the phone . N some new one or 2526.49 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2527.832 2532.248 2527.832 2532.17 The phone that uh Cohen yeah , voice signals . 2531.36 2532.17 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2529.625 2533.352 2529.66 2533.14 From that C Cohen's ? Oh , uh-huh . 2532.12 2532.86 2533.14 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2530.108 2531.945 2530.51 2531.66 Yeah , Cohen , yeah , yeah . 2530.65 2530.95 2531.27 2531.66 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2531.279 2541.482 2531.42 2541.41 Yeah , but it's that's a similar one to what Herve has , for example some he was showing it uh live on M_L_M_I_ c last M_L_M_I_ conference . You can look at the video and play it uh . 2531.52 2534.35 2539.58 2541.41 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2534.402 2534.935 2534.52 2534.79 Yeah . 2534.79 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2538.927 2548.194 2539.04 2548.194 And but which uh phone it is ? F Samsung , something ? Where uh some but some which you can buy , right ? It's 2542.69 2543.5 2543.86 2547.42 2547.82 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2542.284 2546.334 2542.53 2546.29 It's Samsung , some some new really new phone like , mm . 2543.51 2546.05 2546.29 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2543.09 2546.095 2543.09 2545.48 It uh I'm not sure . 2545.48 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2547.692 2549.563 2547.78 2549.35 Yes , commercial phone . 2548.59 2549.35 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2548.015 2551.484 2548.13 2551.484 Yeah . But uh the software is always available or like 2548.98 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2550.832 2558.748 2550.97 2558.62 It and you can train it , like only your speech or it's general uh it's quite interesting , yeah . 2552.08 2558.38 2558.62 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2552.27 2553.543 2552.33 2553.43 What do you mean , always ? 2553.0 2553.43 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2553.194 2559.359 2553.36 2559.359 No , the software is again on top of mobile , or like it comes with your mobile 2553.58 2557.11 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2554.39 2555.757 2554.57 2555.757 I don't know , that's 2555.01 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2560.094 2567.785 2560.094 2567.5 Well , they they just bought a mobile , and based on the O_S_ it's using they they they developed the software . 2560.8 2562.08 2567.5 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2564.96 2583.841 2565.11 2583.75 No , the thing is usually these kind of these kind of facilities are like no not normal , so so they may charge more or like yeah , yeah . Yeah . Ah , ok yeah , definitely they may charge for more money f again , some extra bill for this using this recognition engine or something . 2565.27 2570.8 2573.42 2574.28 2574.88 2575.41 2576.62 2580.09 2583.75 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2571.377 2578.255 2571.57 2578.15 No , this is the development phone , this is not the commercial stuff with the software . They just use the device . 2571.97 2573.91 2576.99 2578.15 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2574.806 2576.289 2574.95 2576.14 Okay , uh-huh . 2575.84 2576.14 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2584.456 2598.394 2584.6 2598.32 Or you you can just buy that application , right ? I don't know , like it's like you you've got some mobile phone , and then you can buy from another company some such application wh you can dictate your S_M_S_ or whatever . 2586.82 2587.56 2588.05 2591.31 2598.32 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2584.667 2585.167 2584.92 2585.12 Yeah . 2585.12 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2587.294 2587.889 2587.35 2587.63 Yeah . 2587.63 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2588.243 2589.402 2588.36 2589.34 By by what ? 2589.34 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2596.4 2596.815 2596.43 2596.73 Yeah . 2596.73 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2598.201 2602.04 2598.34 2601.68 I don't know if it's already the case right now . 2601.68 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2599.762 2603.6 2599.88 2603.6 S I don't know if it is done now , but like 2602.37 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2601.983 2608.422 2602.31 2608.422 Yeah , but maybe like if it can't really recognise you it will be really annoying it's better . 2602.87 2608.24 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2606.165 2618.091 2606.44 2618.091 But have you ever used like dictation system for Windows ? Those uh there were many of them . Yeah , drag the mouse there . And I heard that it worked very very well . Um 2609.6 2613.07 2613.23 2614.19 2616.83 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2610.363 2631.859 2610.48 2631.64 Yeah , I have used once like this dragon , that was kind of good like , yeah . Because even in when I was working in uh like in Edinburgh like , one guy , he use i he got some problem with hands and then he was always using this n uh dictation even he used to write lot of C_ plus plus code with the dictation like . It's really good like , so . 2610.69 2612.81 2614.91 2615.86 2620.35 2620.94 2630.31 2631.32 2631.64 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2629.495 2630.289 2629.495 2630.18 Alright . 2630.18 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2631.859 2655.536 2632.06 2655.536 But you ought to really train and then you're to kind of uh yeah . I get used to the system . Yeah yeah , it's really like you ought to get used to the system , like you how to say all the callings and this thing system how t but it's really funny like , he is able to use it for like like years , I mean he used to write a lot of code and , you know , it's really great . 2638.16 2639.31 2639.97 2642.29 2648.62 2651.33 2654.01 2654.14 2655.39 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2634.83 2637.617 2634.93 2637.54 Right , newer speech , okay . 2635.55 2636.98 2637.54 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2636.956 2639.856 2637.14 2639.856 You had to get used to the system , not the system to you . 2638.66 2639.78 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2639.596 2643.471 2639.596 2643.44 Okay . 2643.44 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2640.128 2641.76 2640.128 2641.54 Okay . 2641.54 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2643.295 2645.546 2643.46 2645.39 How to say okay . 2645.39 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2653.028 2653.55 2653.18 2653.43 Mm-hmm . 2653.43 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2653.594 2691.451 2653.594 2691.14 It's nice . By the way , you should be the one to ask is there anything if I'm just a p private person and I want for free any software which is able to read me a book in English , uh for example that Festival , am I able to put the text to the system and to in real time to listen to the output ? Festival is able to to to read just a mm normal plain text in reasonable comprehensible English or so that I can understand it ? Non-native speaker ? 2656.28 2657.05 2667.91 2670.21 2679.03 2690.1 2691.14 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2655.93 2656.463 2656.05 2656.38 Hmm . 2656.38 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2676.648 2678.308 2676.72 2678.2 Yeah yeah , you can listen Festival . 2677.06 2678.2 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2681.419 2682.974 2681.57 2682.974 Read the like - IN1012 A MIO078 0 2688.395 2716.401 2688.56 2716.24 Mm yeah . Yeah yeah , Fes yeah , I think I think you can do the Festival , you can just call like uh this there are different kind of again , how you call the Festival , so you can just give the full there is an too . So then you will get the all the caller and other things . If if you want to like read full text , then you can say like the full text , like those syntax and then it will speak till it finishes the text . 2689.81 2690.11 2690.77 2692.39 2697.15 2698.48 2702.37 2705.6 2707.96 2710.79 2716.24 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2689.642 2692.208 2689.79 2691.64 I think , yeah yeah , definitely . 2690.4 2690.94 2691.64 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2697.532 2699.829 2697.532 2699.69 Mm okay . 2699.69 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2706.272 2706.752 2706.29 2706.49 Yeah . 2706.49 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2715.276 2717.739 2715.4 2717.62 And it's in real time on a reasonable machine ? 2717.62 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2716.401 2732.16 2716.6 2732.16 Yeah , it's real it's yeah . Diphone , yeah , yeah . That's why it's real time , like otherwise it's bit difficult and it's okay , you can easily understand , so it's intelligible , so . Uh Festival is good , like now it comes at all the Linux boxes also , so in so already in this 2716.74 2718.61 2718.97 2719.25 2719.85 2720.78 2722.96 2724.77 2727.08 2727.38 2728.2 2730.78 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2717.394 2720.08 2717.57 2719.94 It's based on the diphones diphones , right ? 2719.61 2719.94 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2722.068 2722.997 2722.19 2722.9 Yeah , yeah . 2722.4 2722.9 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2723.336 2724.056 2723.51 2723.9 Okay . 2723.9 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2726.238 2728.033 2726.34 2727.97 Yeah , I think it's very good , yeah . 2726.59 2727.53 2727.97 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2726.593 2727.25 2726.72 2727.13 Okay . 2727.13 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2730.944 2731.248 2730.97 2731.21 Mm-hmm . 2731.21 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2731.29 2749.316 2731.47 2749.316 'Cause the the diphone that I was tried to install it and there there are the voices like cat voice and these voices , this is not the one ? Because uh I don't know which which um what i what is running where uh if it's diphone or which uh approach this is . 2738.02 2740.45 2749.01 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2738.516 2741.492 2738.66 2741.492 No the there are so many voices , like again 2740.45 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2743.542 2744.936 2743.63 2744.71 Which voice you want to use . 2744.71 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2748.274 2768.816 2748.38 2768.816 No , most of the the Festival , uh what you get on Linux machines , is diphone based only . So they supply few voices . Yeah yeah , yeah , just uh concatenation of the no , it's already there , if you just put li Festival , it comes wi because it's comes with direct Linux software and you know , it is open source . Festival is open 2748.7 2750.06 2751.92 2753.71 2756.45 2756.96 2757.43 2760.39 2761.06 2762.5 2766.18 2767.93 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2752.149 2757.809 2752.28 2757.809 Yes ? So it's uh just uh wha samples of the diphones , and it choo chooses 2753.7 2756.47 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2757.917 2760.798 2758.11 2760.798 So you've got it installed in your machine here or - IN1012 C MIO077 2 2760.666 2763.106 2760.83 2762.96 Yeah , on my on my laptop . Or here . 2761.0 2762.51 2762.96 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2762.883 2764.384 2763.04 2763.96 Festival , right ? 2763.45 2763.96 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2766.373 2770.048 2766.53 2769.98 Okay . Oh . A and have you have you tried it ? 2767.93 2768.67 2769.98 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2767.872 2807.398 2768.01 2807.398 Yeah , you can you can easily yes , I d I've tried , but there are some built-in like easy voices which you can y uh there is a default one completely synthetic , which you cannot understand at all , and th then there is a diphone synthesis I think it is the diphone synthesis from the some like something like cat w voice and somethi this is so-so , but it's this doesn't sound very nice , and we were playing at the uh summer school with them , actually with the authors , and they were playing us some other other approaches , and it it sounded like a human , it was great , but 2768.15 2770.79 2771.73 2779.8 2781.98 2793.05 2795.2 2798.33 2799.85 2803.59 2805.88 2806.61 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2770.371 2771.05 2770.46 2771.05 It's - IN1012 B MIO097 1 2771.567 2772.162 2771.66 2772.09 And ? 2772.09 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2777.377 2778.296 2777.45 2778.296 So you can - IN1012 A MIO078 0 2789.453 2793.049 2789.75 2793.049 Yeah , cat voice , like there are like they they have few 2790.03 2790.61 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2795.308 2795.893 2795.38 2795.74 Uh-huh . 2795.74 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2801.892 2803.863 2801.98 2803.6 Yeah , new voices like , yeah . 2802.32 2803.27 2803.6 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2806.572 2832.152 2806.71 2832.02 Yeah , that's the difference that tha in views this unit selection . It's not diphones , you have really large inventory of the speech . Uh those voices , they're not yet released . Yeah . No no , it's free , they'll be releasing soon I guess . So maybe you can just check no , i it's it's here on the web , then it won't come with your Linux software , so you have to again download from uh their web page . 2806.87 2811.55 2812.42 2815.6 2816.66 2817.86 2818.1 2818.42 2818.94 2821.3 2824.03 2825.41 2827.84 2832.02 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2812.607 2813.16 2812.74 2813.01 Yeah . 2813.01 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2814.977 2818.634 2815.02 2818.21 So this is not this is not for free or something . 2818.21 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2821.077 2823.551 2821.22 2823.43 But it it's not here so far . 2823.43 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2829.819 2836.315 2829.93 2836.1 Okay , I'm I'm fine with this , but I can make it run on my machine . Okay . 2830.39 2831.53 2835.45 2836.1 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2832.152 2844.32 2832.68 2844.18 Yeah , you can download , now . Yeah , yeah yeah . It the voices are called Multisyn , Multisyn uh sl uh that's some voice . So you can download from the voice from the web Festival . 2832.79 2833.41 2834.29 2834.82 2835.43 2838.52 2841.14 2844.18 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2837.998 2838.551 2838.06 2838.43 Okay . 2838.43 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2843.541 2849.136 2843.68 2849.0 And and the engine is is in the Festival itself . So it's just a voice to to okay . 2846.98 2849.0 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2846.021 2873.506 2846.15 2873.506 Yeah yeah yeah , yeah . Yeah yeah , yeah . So voice is like the database of , the parallel speaker who speaks that this text , so . It was really large database , so it the voi the quality will be better because you can find similar yeah , it's more or less but not exactly like uh it's two times or one point five times or something . But you can prune like how much you want , because 2847.03 2848.06 2848.53 2849.18 2852.04 2855.37 2856.37 2858.2 2864.87 2870.91 2872.86 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2851.568 2852.784 2851.568 2852.67 okay . 2852.67 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2854.884 2855.468 2855.02 2855.21 Mm-hmm . 2855.21 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2860.964 2863.323 2861.05 2863.18 So it's still still real time ? 2863.18 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2865.867 2866.326 2865.95 2866.23 Hmm . 2866.23 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2867.654 2871.391 2867.81 2871.29 Ah okay , but but not much , yeah . 2869.66 2870.76 2871.29 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2870.402 2871.916 2870.55 2871.84 Mm mm . 2871.84 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2872.78 2873.837 2872.91 2873.69 Yeah , yeah . 2873.5 2873.69 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2873.273 2873.805 2873.36 2873.7 Okay . 2873.7 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2873.506 2900.656 2873.81 2900.55 so this is again like uh that's kind of my P_H_D_ work how in this system like how you choose the units and how you concatenate . So there are again cost functions and Viterbi . So you can you can always optimise , you can put some thresholds and pruning and then you can make it real time . So then again , compromise uh between the quality and yeah . But still it's good like now . Th you can just check Multisyn and then voices . Uh yeah , yeah , it's really good . 2882.0 2884.55 2886.3 2890.04 2891.17 2893.8 2894.98 2898.49 2899.07 2899.2 2900.55 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2881.639 2882.171 2881.77 2882.11 Mm-hmm . 2882.11 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2883.704 2884.112 2883.8 2884.08 Hmm . 2884.08 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2884.036 2885.874 2884.18 2885.874 Yeah , it's very difficult and 2884.43 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2887.591 2888.313 2887.79 2888.16 Mm-hmm . 2888.16 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2888.059 2888.79 2888.15 2888.62 Yeah , yeah . 2888.38 2888.62 IN1012 D MIO018 3 2891.026 2893.792 2891.18 2893.64 Alright . Yeah , yeah . 2892.66 2892.94 2893.64 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2892.808 2893.403 2892.91 2893.35 Hmm . 2893.35 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2895.574 2896.389 2895.68 2896.26 Okay . 2896.26 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2898.382 2899.551 2898.47 2899.551 Uh it's right , I mean 2899.16 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2900.438 2907.189 2900.438 2907.189 And you just uh have chosen some text ? Any text you just put in and 2905.03 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2905.677 2918.749 2905.81 2918.49 Yeah , I just s use the Douglas Adams , uh uh that that book , you know , the mm how it's called ? Just general English textbook , I I cho I tried . 2906.15 2908.72 2910.29 2910.76 2915.23 2917.2 2918.49 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2905.659 2906.722 2905.9 2906.63 Yeah yeah yeah yeah . 2906.63 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2910.709 2918.124 2910.709 2918.03 But only sometimes like it can't really call this yeah . 2918.03 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2910.869 2911.6 2911.01 2911.44 Okay . 2911.44 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2918.19 2932.527 2918.36 2932.45 And it can read uh how does it read , from which um from which uh how to state it ? Uh is it uh possible to read P_D_F_s or just standard text ? Whatever , T_X_T_ , right , files . Uh-huh . 2920.5 2924.62 2929.5 2929.99 2930.38 2930.64 2932.03 2932.45 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2927.516 2936.454 2927.68 2936.26 No , the T_ T_X_T_ . Yeah , ASCII file basically . You have to but you can take a P_D_F_ and convert P_D_F_ to ASCII . 2928.34 2930.71 2930.99 2932.38 2936.26 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2928.365 2933.33 2928.49 2933.33 Uh standard text . Yeah . Yeah , ASCII file is 2930.29 2930.7 2930.94 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2935.752 2954.565 2935.9 2954.565 ASCII and but only the problem's again acronyms and sometimes it expands , sometimes it may not expand , because it's not in their dictionary , so yeah . It's not in the dictionary , like if we again it's problem like , so . But those things you can add , like if you're really familiar with Festival , so you can add always these 2940.81 2942.03 2943.61 2945.53 2947.19 2948.66 2949.69 2950.79 2953.05 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2936.146 2937.611 2936.25 2937.611 Yeah . Well let's 2936.81 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2941.068 2947.53 2941.19 2947.53 Yeah . It was a line with hashes and it was hash hash hash hash hash hash hash hash hash hash . 2942.22 2947.48 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2944.78 2946.688 2944.78 2946.65 Oh really ? 2946.65 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2952.536 2958.745 2952.536 2958.64 Uh I'm not , then I don't want to go too much into details , just a little bit . 2954.54 2957.47 2958.64 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2956.288 2963.172 2956.38 2963.172 Yeah . But at least these things okay like , it won't really make mistakes so often like , sometimes 2957.5 2959.29 2962.42 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2962.173 2965.783 2962.33 2965.52 Mm well I can prepare s sorry . 2965.52 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2962.743 2965.279 2962.96 2965.23 Anyway , who is the author of Festival ? 2963.31 2965.23 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2965.35 2972.048 2965.47 2971.93 Alan Black and Paul Taylor , they started r Festival in ninety six or something . Edinburgh C_S_T_R_ , yeah . 2966.96 2970.84 2971.74 2971.93 IN1012 C MIO077 2 2969.488 2971.357 2969.59 2971.09 These are the Edinburgh people , no ? 2970.7 2971.09 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2970.869 2979.303 2971.08 2979.08 Edinburgh ? And I thought it that's the guy from C_S_L_U_ , from Portland , who was there during f 2972.83 2975.31 2976.12 IN1012 A MIO078 0 2978.056 2991.851 2978.19 2991.57 Uh f oh uh this ma this Johann Waters or like no , they d what they did Portland O_G_I_ , they did L_P_C_ based synthesis . The Festival is alrea already like it's one first you start with th 2982.7 2984.49 2987.74 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2981.627 2983.089 2981.72 2983.089 Yeah , but there was 2982.15 IN1012 B MIO097 1 2989.912 3029.762 2990.08 3029.69 No , no , but that that was the guy who's on a wheelchair now , he cannot m move even , he's very in like indic how to say that ? Like he cannot have he just can speak only through some Festival system or something like that . He was the auth no , yeah , h he was working I think in w O_G_I_ even , he's very famous , but I thought that he was the author no , it was developed for him , like he was just first tester I think of the system . Something like that . Like it's not t text to speech , it's just the uh uh synthesis , which means which is more or less the same , but I dunno . 2990.16 2990.34 2993.85 2996.14 2999.2 3005.54 3007.02 3007.22 3009.45 3010.37 3013.12 3014.22 3018.53 3020.01 3021.85 3024.35 3027.65 3029.69 IN1012 A MIO078 0 3000.464 3001.056 3000.51 3001.01 Ah , okay . 3000.74 3001.01 IN1012 A MIO078 0 3003.255 3003.986 3003.3 3003.87 Mm . 3003.87 IN1012 A MIO078 0 3005.525 3006.486 3005.59 3006.33 From . 3006.33 IN1012 A MIO078 0 3010.964 3014.109 3011.06 3013.86 I don't know . No no , actually the b 3012.46 3012.96 IN1012 A MIO078 0 3016.893 3020.327 3017.12 3020.327 Ah , okay , okay . Yeah , maybe , because 3017.4 3017.67 3019.16 3019.43 3019.7 IN1012 A MIO078 0 3024.41 3025.151 3024.54 3025.09 Ah , ok 3024.82 IN1012 A MIO078 0 3027.92 3028.62 3028.02 3028.47 Hmm . 3028.47 IN1012 A MIO078 0 3030.35 3047.918 3030.46 3047.81 Yeah , first they started in C_S_T_R_ with Alan Black and Paul Taylor , then then it expand to many places , because if somebody is fil no , Simon King is he's one of the others , but Rob Clark is the man that you met um . Uh uh , already . Yeah . 3030.62 3033.76 3036.3 3039.31 3041.28 3044.31 3045.04 3047.5 3047.81 IN1012 B MIO097 1 3033.595 3039.946 3033.77 3039.78 Yeah . So it's somebody and Simon King is playing with that , right , the t guy . 3034.9 3038.55 3038.89 3039.78 IN1012 C MIO077 2 3042.64 3050.394 3042.76 3050.26 Mm-hmm , yeah , voice . That I know . Um uh . 3043.29 3044.09 3046.73 3049.0 3050.26 IN1012 B MIO097 1 3045.99 3047.241 3046.17 3047.16 Okay , okay . 3046.64 3047.16 IN1012 A MIO078 0 3048.693 3049.474 3048.96 3049.474 It's - IN1012 B MIO097 1 3050.848 3051.839 3050.89 3051.79 I think that's enough . 3051.79 IN1012 D MIO018 3 3051.962 3052.463 3052.07 3052.37 Yeah . 3052.37 IN1012 C MIO077 2 3052.144 3052.576 3052.34 3052.54 N uh . 3052.54 IN1012 A MIO078 0 3052.679 3058.713 3052.74 3058.47 So anything uh more about Lisbon or Interspeech ? I it's enough , yeah . 3057.47 3058.13 3058.47 IN1012 B MIO097 1 3055.084 3062.838 3055.19 3062.838 No other papers it's just one paper and and Festival . From Linux , it's very im interesting . 3059.24 3060.26 3062.78 IN1012 D MIO018 3 3065.349 3065.824 3065.42 3065.79 Okay . 3065.79 IN1012 A MIO078 0 3065.968 3066.485 3066.03 3066.38 Okay . 3066.38 IN1012 C MIO077 2 3065.964 3067.248 3066.81 3067.06 N uh . 3067.06 IN1012 B MIO097 1 3067.462 3068.182 3067.56 3068.09 Yeah . 3068.09 IN1012 C MIO077 2 3072.524 3073.192 3072.7 3072.98 Mm . 3072.98 IN1013 D MIO097 3 30.703 31.716 30.79 31.54 Oh my God . 31.54 IN1013 A MIE034 0 31.872 42.565 31.872 42.48 Yeah , still doesn't feel natural . I I wish , you know , the the the the room would just detect when an when a meeting's started it starting . 34.19 36.97 37.6 37.85 42.48 IN1013 D MIO097 3 36.307 37.967 36.41 37.63 Yeah . . 37.63 37.63 IN1013 A MIE034 0 53.465 59.539 53.6 59.4 Voila cool . So you better start . It was your idea . So . 56.26 57.79 58.62 59.4 IN1013 D MIO097 3 54.032 56.343 54.72 56.343 Okay . 56.26 IN1013 D MIO097 3 56.906 90.781 56.906 90.781 I should start ? Yeah , no so I thought that we might s t speak a little bit about speech coding because nobody is doing here speech coding and I would like to have some maybe feedback because except me . I've I've supposed to some speech coding stuff here with Hynek uh but you know that little bit at least that uh based on some let's say Hilbert transforms using a longer temporal context and deriving some parameters would be tranf transcs transmitted to a decoder and 59.43 59.81 69.38 IN1013 D MIO097 3 90.781 128.608 91.09 128.608 So it's a little bit different than the stuff which people are using now , which is like a L_P_C_ based . And but we are at the beginning with everything more or less . So still um we can't uh d encode a speech . But of course there is there are many problems which we still didn't solve and the biggest one is quite similar to L_P_C_ stuff where people still don't know how to exactly encode a carrier or the source signal . We know what to do with the envelope or how to approximate the envelope , let's say . Um when you have got 95.56 98.43 101.11 106.85 121.57 126.06 126.93 IN1013 A MIE034 0 130.328 133.505 130.41 133.41 Well maybe uh is is the white-board working ? 133.41 IN1013 A MIE034 0 135.039 148.512 135.13 148.33 Or or not . Um y maybe show us the general sort of outline . You keep w okay , you can just write it on the paper . Yeah . 136.94 144.22 145.28 148.04 148.33 IN1013 D MIO097 3 136.061 140.631 136.2 140.53 Oh you mean that it would be nice to plot at least s - IN1013 B MIO078 1 140.943 145.676 141.08 145.61 Yeah , at least on paper . Yeah . Yeah , at least you can write on the p 141.26 142.9 143.33 144.13 IN1013 D MIO097 3 142.384 144.608 142.4 144.608 Um maybe I I can I can - IN1013 C MIO105 2 142.717 145.754 142.83 145.68 You can write on the paper , yeah . It's it's okay . 143.95 144.14 145.68 IN1013 D MIO097 3 146.383 161.392 146.48 161.03 So what we are doing now , yeah , you mean . Okay , i uh everybody knows L_P_C_ stuff , how it works . So I don't have to present anything mores . But it's uh m more or less very simple . We have let's say at the beginning there is some speech signal . 147.58 148.27 150.05 150.29 152.12 152.81 155.17 156.94 161.03 IN1013 C MIO105 2 152.377 153.784 152.48 153.784 Right . 153.68 IN1013 B MIO078 1 152.586 153.54 152.69 153.26 Yeah , CELP . 152.89 153.26 IN1013 D MIO097 3 162.907 200.219 163.06 200.03 What we are uh we might see it uh in very simple way that we are using some Hilbert transform h at the beginning to create analytic signal . The analytic signal is the signal which is a complex which you can create from the uh real uh uh some sequence . And if you get if you apply Hilbert transform on this , on such a speech signal , like a real trajectory , then you get a complex signal and if you take just the amplitude , then you get Hilbert envelope code . So I well I I don't know . Yeah , let's say ups . 173.52 183.31 187.3 188.83 190.07 194.13 197.28 198.7 199.13 200.03 IN1013 B MIO078 1 176.674 177.222 176.8 177.18 Yeah . 177.18 IN1013 C MIO105 2 178.082 178.906 178.29 178.79 Right , right . 178.62 178.79 IN1013 A MIE034 0 200.378 203.844 200.64 203.77 So is this different from the original P_L_P_ two stuff then , is that ? 203.28 203.77 IN1013 D MIO097 3 204.214 206.272 204.32 206.12 Yeah , it's u it's not P_L_P_ at all , d 204.5 206.01 IN1013 A MIE034 0 205.578 210.683 205.72 210.683 Uh 'cause that's what you started with , wasn't it ? This this stuff that Marius 206.73 208.61 IN1013 B MIO078 1 207.668 208.25 207.72 208.11 Hmm . 208.11 IN1013 D MIO097 3 208.107 209.308 208.26 208.98 Mm . 208.98 IN1013 B MIO078 1 210.179 215.866 210.28 215.866 No , but Marius is it's similar stuff . No , Marius is also using like Hilbert transform and then 210.41 212.86 212.97 IN1013 D MIO097 3 211.683 214.581 211.683 214.44 No he's it's pretty much the same . 214.44 IN1013 A MIE034 0 215.248 215.823 215.3 215.72 Okay . 215.72 IN1013 D MIO097 3 216.237 256.14 216.36 256.06 Uh you're lit I know what you mean with the pu P_L_P_ . They are applying P_L_P_ with some iteration with this this one approach . So they are doing some smoothing of a spectrogram in two ways . One was right . Right . But P_L_P_ is using just the spectral uh direction . Let's say you are doing uh for every twenty millisecond processing one one feature vector . Here you are processing one spectral band , frequency band , right . So it's different direction which we are w using . But anyway , this is very simple . So applying that uh absolute uh absolute operation , you get a Hilbert envelope . 219.93 224.76 230.23 232.85 233.25 236.7 241.72 244.3 245.29 245.79 248.09 248.39 249.06 254.74 256.06 IN1013 A MIE034 0 225.203 226.017 225.32 225.97 Okay . 225.97 IN1013 A MIE034 0 228.815 234.418 228.92 234.2 Yeah , yeah . H he's parameterizing it both temporally and across the spectrum , yep . 229.19 229.83 233.69 234.2 IN1013 B MIO078 1 231.679 232.236 231.8 232.06 Both . 232.06 IN1013 A MIE034 0 239.857 240.379 239.99 240.26 Yeah . 240.26 IN1013 A MIE034 0 241.684 242.247 241.73 242.12 Yeah . 242.12 IN1013 A MIE034 0 245.152 247.376 245.24 247.28 Yep , okay . Yep . 245.61 247.0 247.28 IN1013 D MIO097 3 258.175 289.512 258.32 289.45 And of course then there is the phase . So it's just the complex operation . And that's more or less all what we are doing . So now what we know what we know is how to approximate that Hilbert envelope . We are ap we are applying that Hilbert uh him what is the Marius' uh stuff . So he knows how to encode uh the Hilbert uh envelope using like L_S_F_s or L_P_C_ . You are applying again to some linear prediction model after that . 260.87 264.61 266.48 271.01 276.6 285.79 289.45 IN1013 B MIO078 1 260.578 260.969 260.66 260.9 Yeah . 260.9 IN1013 C MIO105 2 261.189 261.784 261.31 261.62 Mm-hmm . 261.62 IN1013 A MIE034 0 276.151 277.915 276.21 277.79 Yeah , to that . Yep , yep , yep . 276.52 277.1 277.38 277.55 277.79 IN1013 B MIO078 1 276.539 277.154 276.539 277.154 . 1186.68 IN1013 B MIO078 1 282.21 286.253 282.33 286.14 Uh is some kind of D_C_T_ or again yeah . Yeah , ok 285.45 285.69 IN1013 B MIO078 1 288.672 289.205 288.74 289.12 Yeah . 289.12 IN1013 A MIE034 0 288.648 295.799 288.77 295.44 Mm yeah , but it's a it's a it's a different linear prediction model , isn't it . It's a complex linear prediction or whatever . 289.34 293.13 293.5 295.44 IN1013 D MIO097 3 291.106 329.016 291.25 328.93 But it's uh right , it's in a it's a little bit difference in not applied in the frequency domain . So instead of classical L_P_C_ domain , where you have a spectrum , let's say something like that , and you are applying some linear prediction model which is trying to approximate the spectrum , right . So this is frequency . In our case we are we are trying to approximate s kind of instantaneous energy . So if this is a time , and you get one and add one frequency band , you can see something like this . And we are trying to approximate that envelope which is 292.92 297.55 300.7 302.3 304.09 309.86 310.34 312.04 318.16 320.43 324.32 326.35 IN1013 B MIO078 1 292.624 293.846 292.77 293.78 Yeah , yeah . Yeah . 293.21 293.46 293.78 IN1013 B MIO078 1 302.47 303.173 302.57 303.04 How c - IN1013 A MIE034 0 310.241 310.868 310.36 310.65 Yeah . 310.65 IN1013 A MIE034 0 317.873 318.426 317.95 318.26 Yeah . 318.26 IN1013 A MIE034 0 325.539 326.051 325.6 326.0 Yeah . 326.0 IN1013 A MIE034 0 330.173 332.0 330.25 331.88 Yeah . Yep . 331.65 331.88 IN1013 D MIO097 3 330.35 371.626 330.54 371.45 that Hilbert envelope . Right ? So again , we know what to more or less we know what to do with the Hilbert envelope . We know that we can apply linear prediction model and it works pretty well . But i if you want to really construct the speech signal or the you need also the phase signal , which is in uh some sense quite simple for voiced speech signal , say . But s uh the phase no , you ac It's a phase or you can encode it like a carrier . So the carrier is , if you know , uh amplitude modulation , right ? You may see something like there is one cosine which is uh very would have quite a f right . 332.35 332.56 333.09 337.02 342.06 348.52 352.48 353.78 356.55 360.89 361.7 362.69 363.95 364.44 371.45 IN1013 C MIO105 2 331.946 332.886 332.04 332.69 Hmm . 332.69 IN1013 B MIO078 1 332.336 332.947 332.37 332.77 Mm-hmm . 332.77 IN1013 A MIE034 0 336.256 336.997 336.39 336.9 Okay . 336.9 IN1013 A MIE034 0 341.247 341.779 341.32 341.71 Okay . 341.71 IN1013 A MIE034 0 345.973 350.076 346.04 350.076 You need the phase . Ooh uh 348.13 IN1013 B MIO078 1 347.02 347.669 347.09 347.38 Yeah . 347.38 IN1013 B MIO078 1 353.502 355.388 353.56 355.388 Because use linear phase or - IN1013 A MIE034 0 354.999 356.333 355.06 356.333 Well - IN1013 B MIO078 1 359.288 361.558 359.31 361.52 Yeah uh Oh okay . 361.52 IN1013 B MIO078 1 364.46 364.992 364.52 364.8 Yeah . 364.8 IN1013 B MIO078 1 367.928 368.443 368.0 368.33 Yeah . 368.33 IN1013 B MIO078 1 370.034 371.46 370.07 371.32 Same frequency . 371.32 IN1013 A MIE034 0 370.729 378.128 370.88 377.93 Well it depends on how this i I mean you're talking b yeah , just the carrier . Okay , so it's not necessarily phase , but if you're using some sort of sinusoidal coding , it's phase , yeah . 372.91 373.6 373.9 375.26 377.53 377.81 377.93 IN1013 D MIO097 3 373.722 374.328 373.91 374.27 Yeah . 374.27 IN1013 D MIO097 3 375.852 389.267 375.96 389.267 It's called like the phase . Right , right . Exactly . So the this is the signal which you also have to somehow encode or transmit from a code of the decoder in order to re-synthesize it , right . So 377.66 377.88 378.14 379.33 388.54 388.74 IN1013 B MIO078 1 378.012 378.553 378.07 378.45 Yeah . 378.45 IN1013 A MIE034 0 383.727 384.52 383.87 384.36 Okay . 384.36 IN1013 A MIE034 0 386.421 387.39 386.47 387.25 Okay . W 387.1 IN1013 A MIE034 0 388.256 402.621 388.28 402.56 What so what sort of bit rate do you get for the um encoding of the this the Hilbert transform ? The s the spectrogram . W what sort of coding do you get so far for the no no no no , f f yeah . Yeah . Yeah , yep . 394.67 395.94 400.46 401.58 401.91 402.3 402.56 IN1013 D MIO097 3 395.822 397.036 395.92 396.91 What do you mean ? Again . 396.69 396.91 IN1013 D MIO097 3 398.803 411.152 398.93 411.152 For this one ? For the the linear prediction model ? Well it's uh just a linear prediction . Classical way . I mean oh , okay , w well , if you want to see it in more details , I mean 400.2 403.3 405.29 406.19 407.72 408.11 408.58 410.78 IN1013 B MIO078 1 400.559 401.34 400.58 401.23 For L_S_F_ . 401.23 IN1013 A MIE034 0 406.907 418.456 406.97 417.97 Uh wo well , it's no no no , but what sort of bit rate do you get ? Is it is it uh id do you have any sort of m idea of what sort of band-widths ? 409.03 410.51 411.77 417.97 IN1013 D MIO097 3 417.829 433.965 417.9 433.87 Oh , you mean uh yeah , bit bit rate you mean ? Okay , yeah . Sure , sure . So whereas we are what we are now is , let's say , something like one point two kilo-bits per second for uh that Hilbert envelope . 418.34 420.64 421.64 421.93 422.05 422.24 423.7 427.11 428.56 433.87 IN1013 B MIO078 1 419.358 421.001 419.45 421.001 Main bit rate . What is 420.53 IN1013 A MIE034 0 421.306 422.224 421.38 421.78 Yeah . 421.78 IN1013 B MIO078 1 421.605 422.164 421.97 422.06 Good . 422.06 IN1013 A MIE034 0 424.667 425.336 425.02 425.336 'Cause - IN1013 B MIO078 1 431.089 431.779 431.11 431.64 Oh . 431.64 IN1013 A MIE034 0 433.547 439.687 433.66 439.43 Okay , and that's in that's with the fully optimised sort of compression scheme or that's just the raw data or ? 433.88 439.43 IN1013 D MIO097 3 437.408 437.93 437.43 437.93 Is - IN1013 D MIO097 3 439.417 446.741 439.49 446.31 It's again a roughly estimated somehow . But we still know that we can go down and right . 441.55 446.31 IN1013 A MIE034 0 441.097 442.057 441.21 442.01 Okay , yeah . 441.71 442.01 IN1013 A MIE034 0 444.145 454.104 444.26 453.98 Yeah . Sure , sure . You just cut out m bands and just use interpolation or whatever . Yeah . T so that's one point okay , that's with the full spectrum basically being used then . 444.51 444.77 444.98 448.9 449.31 451.46 453.98 IN1013 D MIO097 3 448.234 451.224 448.32 451.13 Exactly , yeah . I don we are using like fifteen bands . 448.95 449.14 451.13 IN1013 D MIO097 3 452.617 480.547 452.617 480.46 Right . But they are first they are inter oh well , integrated into fifteen bands using oh classical way like in M_F_C_C_s or in P_L_P_ . You just apply some those uh triangular windows or something like that in order to to get a li really like just fifteen bands , right . And each band is then processed independently . So for one band we more or less have w like w one hundred bits per second . For Hilbert envelope . 453.86 457.01 462.36 470.85 471.42 474.21 479.56 480.46 IN1013 A MIE034 0 465.2 467.444 465.4 467.16 Yeah . Yep , yep . Yep . 465.85 466.03 466.87 467.16 IN1013 B MIO078 1 466.02 466.785 466.11 466.71 Ah , okay . 466.43 466.71 IN1013 A MIE034 0 470.72 471.169 470.86 471.09 Yep . 471.09 IN1013 A MIE034 0 473.505 474.517 473.59 474.35 Yeah , yep . 473.99 474.35 IN1013 B MIO078 1 473.937 474.569 474.0 474.48 Hmm . 474.48 IN1013 A MIE034 0 478.113 508.024 478.19 507.87 Okay , that's quite good . So and Hynek was showing me how scalable it is in terms of um you can take half the bands away and still get decent performance . You take you take three quarters of them away , it starts to degrade , but it's still intelligible , that sort of thing . Yep . Okay . And that's without doing any sort of um prediction of what the missing bands might be , right ? You just leave them out . I mean you you shou you could be able to do some sort of code missing data sort of Bayes stuff , yeah . 478.82 479.46 488.08 490.63 491.51 492.81 494.02 495.01 495.86 500.26 500.55 502.42 507.59 507.87 IN1013 C MIO105 2 478.467 479.104 478.56 479.06 Okay . 479.06 IN1013 D MIO097 3 486.405 494.35 486.53 494.19 Right . Right , right . You yeah , you can just right . Right . Right . Yeah . 487.76 487.99 488.31 489.12 491.26 492.12 493.89 494.19 IN1013 B MIO078 1 490.563 491.12 490.63 490.79 Hmm . 490.79 IN1013 B MIO078 1 495.514 496.148 495.53 495.89 S - IN1013 D MIO097 3 500.508 503.151 501.0 502.97 Uh right , that's what we did . 502.4 502.97 IN1013 D MIO097 3 505.599 524.55 505.71 524.42 Yeah , sure . Sure , sure . Yeah . There are many things we would wouldn't at all . But yeah , exactly . But now what I r really trying to do is somehow approximate that uh carrier signal , to do something with the carrier . There are many simple things which you can do like uh quantization quantization , for example . 505.95 506.57 506.94 507.36 508.01 510.04 511.04 512.21 516.84 518.23 523.75 524.42 IN1013 B MIO078 1 505.987 506.869 506.01 506.68 Yeah . 506.68 IN1013 A MIE034 0 511.919 512.514 511.96 512.3 Okay . 512.3 IN1013 A MIE034 0 516.826 517.486 516.93 517.34 Okay . 517.34 IN1013 A MIE034 0 520.304 521.202 520.51 521.1 Yeah . 521.1 IN1013 A MIE034 0 523.205 540.501 523.27 540.11 It it would be it would be nice to have a scalable scheme though , wouldn't it ? Like because you've got a nice scalable scheme for the for for the the coding of the the smooth spectrum . It'd be nice to have some sort of scalable coding scheme for the for the voice signal as well , right ? 527.26 527.95 533.94 539.63 540.11 IN1013 B MIO078 1 527.921 528.644 528.02 528.52 Hmm . 528.52 IN1013 D MIO097 3 533.573 534.116 533.68 533.97 Right . 533.97 IN1013 D MIO097 3 539.396 550.117 539.62 550.01 You mean something like uh f uh that CELP coding system where you're or wh wh wh what is no , what is exactly scalable system ? What you mean by that ? 547.12 549.06 550.01 IN1013 B MIO078 1 544.272 544.995 544.37 544.85 Hmm . 544.85 IN1013 A MIE034 0 545.924 547.08 545.99 547.08 Well , I don't know , I'm just 546.22 546.62 IN1013 A MIE034 0 549.263 562.364 549.56 562.05 Well , at different bit rates . So the actual uh excitation as well . Because I mean it'd be nice uh l let's say if you had twelve hundred bits for the for the sp smooth spectrum and twelve hundred bits for the voice , and then you could scale them both . 549.74 550.56 554.01 560.62 562.05 IN1013 D MIO097 3 551.349 554.09 551.48 554.03 Oh yeah , yeah , sure . This was yeah . 551.8 552.0 553.18 554.03 IN1013 B MIO078 1 553.949 554.98 553.98 554.88 Yeah , yeah . 554.32 554.88 IN1013 D MIO097 3 556.46 558.041 556.61 557.91 For dif yeah , right . Right , right . 557.23 557.62 557.81 557.91 IN1013 D MIO097 3 559.885 569.231 560.08 569.231 Yeah . But I think this appr approach can do that because you really can split it into several bands . And you can decide how many bands you want more or less . So 560.58 566.17 568.87 IN1013 A MIE034 0 565.499 566.971 565.58 566.86 Yeah . Sure , sure , sure . 565.72 565.97 566.21 566.86 IN1013 A MIE034 0 568.632 569.191 568.81 569.1 Yeah . 569.1 IN1013 C MIO105 2 569.52 578.567 569.7 578.48 I have a question . Is the scale linear or is Mel scale , like in M_F_C_C_ ? Is it bar scale , like in like in sp yeah , okay . 570.41 573.57 574.98 576.59 577.97 578.48 IN1013 B MIO078 1 569.937 570.469 570.03 570.36 Hmm . 570.36 IN1013 D MIO097 3 574.314 627.097 574.5 627.05 Yeah , this is a bar scale we are using . Yeah , or Mel Mel scale , so it's uh it's being uh more wider for higher frequencies and of course the s the spaces right . Yeah . But what I w my sense is that it is not so much important still . I mean it doesn't matter if you're als use Mel scale or bar scale . But right , yeah . But that's what we are using , yeah . Uh actually we are using just Gaussian windows here instead of those triangulars because they are more uh no , it's better than for decoding it's better to play with them because they they are not zero anywhere , you know . They are they are approaching or in they are in zero . But actually they are not . So d you don't have to care about some zero values here and but more or less it doesn't matter , yeah . We are using just Gaus Gaussian windows . 574.68 576.68 576.87 577.9 587.06 588.17 592.92 596.09 598.46 599.61 600.58 601.43 609.08 614.09 614.65 618.08 619.68 624.99 625.29 627.05 IN1013 B MIO078 1 582.089 583.586 582.39 583.4 Oh yeah , type . 583.18 583.4 IN1013 C MIO105 2 583.962 587.907 583.962 587.84 The overlapping is different , right ? Yep . Mm . 585.85 586.1 587.41 587.84 IN1013 B MIO078 1 587.06 587.717 587.23 587.64 Hmm . 587.64 IN1013 B MIO078 1 588.244 588.654 588.36 588.62 S - IN1013 B MIO078 1 593.136 593.791 593.26 593.66 Hmm . 593.66 IN1013 A MIE034 0 593.414 594.532 593.94 594.532 Uh - IN1013 A MIE034 0 596.23 600.549 596.32 600.44 No no . Just long as it's some sort of non-linear . Yep . 596.81 600.02 600.44 IN1013 C MIO105 2 600.537 601.184 600.64 601.08 Okay and ? 601.08 IN1013 B MIO078 1 601.38 602.732 601.56 602.732 S so - IN1013 B MIO078 1 604.184 605.024 604.27 604.98 Oh okay . 604.98 IN1013 C MIO105 2 605.12 605.959 605.22 605.83 Okay . 605.83 IN1013 A MIE034 0 605.53 605.977 605.64 605.79 M - IN1013 B MIO078 1 607.269 608.832 607.29 608.832 Smoothed ? Or like apply more 607.69 IN1013 A MIE034 0 607.859 610.048 607.98 610.048 The place more emphasis on the - IN1013 B MIO078 1 609.439 610.073 609.61 609.94 Hmm . 609.94 IN1013 B MIO078 1 611.858 612.565 611.95 612.28 Ah . 612.28 IN1013 A MIE034 0 614.595 615.634 614.65 615.55 Yeah , yeah , yeah . 615.1 615.3 615.55 IN1013 B MIO078 1 615.585 616.3 615.63 616.09 Hmm . 616.09 IN1013 A MIE034 0 623.579 624.245 623.7 623.99 Okay . 623.99 IN1013 A MIE034 0 625.309 625.757 625.33 625.6 Yeah . 625.6 IN1013 A MIE034 0 627.132 627.665 627.18 627.56 Okay . 627.56 IN1013 B MIO078 1 628.505 633.416 628.54 633.416 So after you're doing L_S_F_s so or like I mean how you're finally hand coding - IN1013 A MIE034 0 628.589 629.424 628.61 629.37 Hmm . 629.37 IN1013 D MIO097 3 631.866 646.968 632.07 646.8 Okay , so l those are that the Hilbert envelope is um is approximated by linear prediction . So you have L_P_C_ coefficients which you can transcribe into L_ L_ L_S_F_s , which are right , exactly . Yeah . 632.3 639.04 643.83 645.6 646.51 646.8 IN1013 B MIO078 1 638.825 639.324 638.89 639.2 Ah . 639.2 IN1013 B MIO078 1 640.829 641.461 640.99 641.37 Oh . 641.37 IN1013 A MIE034 0 643.828 646.439 643.95 646.39 And then vector quantize or whatever . Yeah . 645.95 646.39 IN1013 B MIO078 1 645.139 650.199 645.26 650.199 Yeah . So first you apply these triangle filters and then do L_P_C_ coding or like 646.44 IN1013 D MIO097 3 650.272 674.535 650.42 674.47 Right , exactly . So first uh the approach is quite sim simple . So at the beginning we apply D_C_T_ in order to get to frequency domain . Then you apply those uh triangular or Gaussian windows . So this is done for one second , eight thousand samples for eight kilo-hertz sampling frequency , right ? So for such D_C_T_ trajectory you apply those uh Gaussian windows . 650.87 651.25 654.84 659.58 663.81 665.82 669.4 670.25 674.47 IN1013 B MIO078 1 651.979 652.544 652.11 652.39 Yeah . 652.39 IN1013 B MIO078 1 657.658 659.587 657.79 659.5 Yeah , okay . Yeah . 657.96 659.09 659.5 IN1013 B MIO078 1 662.208 663.962 662.31 663.82 Filters . Yeah . 663.59 663.82 IN1013 A MIE034 0 668.471 669.252 668.64 669.01 Hmm . 669.01 IN1013 B MIO078 1 668.853 669.709 668.95 669.61 Oh okay . 669.61 IN1013 D MIO097 3 676.111 684.351 676.23 684.351 And then i so you split it in two frequency sub-bands . And then each one f frequency sub-band is more or less uh 680.1 IN1013 B MIO078 1 679.213 679.903 679.37 679.62 Hmm . 679.62 IN1013 B MIO078 1 684.66 689.417 684.74 689.2 You can do the L_P_ analysis on each sub-band , yeah . Yeah , m yeah , ok 686.84 688.33 688.51 689.02 IN1013 D MIO097 3 686.144 696.569 686.29 696.4 Right . Right . Exactly . You just apply L_ L_P_ , so auto-correlation let's say , or you can do power spectrum , whatever . Yeah , so you for each one you get L_S_F_s here . 687.0 687.19 687.56 688.91 691.32 693.29 694.03 694.19 696.4 IN1013 C MIO105 2 686.961 687.67 687.34 687.5 Uh-uh . 687.5 IN1013 B MIO078 1 690.683 694.325 690.9 694.18 Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . 692.28 693.74 694.05 694.18 IN1013 A MIE034 0 693.997 694.594 694.1 694.46 Hmm . 694.46 IN1013 B MIO078 1 696.406 696.83 696.45 696.73 Yeah . 696.73 IN1013 A MIE034 0 696.606 697.139 696.7 696.99 Mm-hmm . 696.99 IN1013 B MIO078 1 698.82 701.13 698.9 701.13 So how many L_S_F_s you're using and - IN1013 D MIO097 3 700.459 709.058 700.459 708.82 Uh well , I'm using now like twenty L_S_F_s per one second , per one frequency band . 701.75 707.46 708.82 IN1013 A MIE034 0 708.828 713.636 708.85 713.636 So times fifteen . Twen that's t it's twenty times fifteen , it's not 711.25 712.99 IN1013 B MIO078 1 708.94 718.992 709.02 718.83 Oh okay . So but you how many bands you're using ? If you're you're not skipping any bands or like oh ok fifteen into twenty then . Like uh . 709.57 712.47 717.87 718.83 IN1013 D MIO097 3 712.294 713.129 712.44 712.94 Fifteen . 712.94 IN1013 D MIO097 3 715.14 720.472 715.23 720.34 No no . If I just keep all them so twenty L_S_F_s , each one is um 715.65 719.07 IN1013 B MIO078 1 721.013 721.57 721.07 721.45 Hmm . 721.45 IN1013 D MIO097 3 721.934 724.016 722.0 723.84 is quantized by four or five bits . 723.84 IN1013 A MIE034 0 724.246 728.012 724.33 727.97 Okay . So it's it's yeah , it's three hundred . 725.86 726.93 727.97 IN1013 B MIO078 1 727.164 727.912 727.21 727.88 Ah . 727.88 IN1013 D MIO097 3 729.78 731.401 729.88 731.22 Of what ? Three hundred bits ? 730.42 731.22 IN1013 A MIE034 0 730.446 737.148 730.56 737.148 It I mean it's it's total of three hundred sort of parameters per second . Um 736.06 IN1013 B MIO078 1 733.087 733.993 733.13 733.81 Oh yeah . 733.81 IN1013 D MIO097 3 737.488 740.912 737.6 740.81 Two . Yeah , yeah . Yeah . Yeah . Exactly . 738.28 738.59 739.2 740.04 740.36 740.81 IN1013 B MIO078 1 739.115 748.924 739.32 748.69 But phase you're not encoding anything . Phase you're directly transmitting that . Uh no th Yeah , yeah , yeah . The phase of Hilbert envelope . 740.81 743.98 745.79 745.99 746.49 748.69 IN1013 D MIO097 3 742.405 747.909 742.51 747.909 You mean this phase , the the Hilbert carrier ? Or no , of course we did 743.68 745.07 747.02 IN1013 A MIE034 0 747.136 752.592 747.24 752.592 Well , y you're not you're not carrying transmitting that at all really at this point in time . I uh 747.52 751.27 IN1013 D MIO097 3 750.509 751.166 750.67 751.08 Yeah . 751.08 IN1013 B MIO078 1 751.751 753.203 751.94 753.03 You're not transmitting at all like . 753.03 IN1013 D MIO097 3 753.317 773.843 753.42 773.72 Uh w well , there are many things you can do . We don't well the first thing what you can really do is just to replace it by Gaussian noise . So you can really use t like in uh L_P_C_ system . Right . Exactly . Or you can replace it by some cosine , one cosine generated in a cen centre frequency of that Gaussian window . 754.09 755.16 761.98 764.94 765.48 766.45 769.62 773.72 IN1013 B MIO078 1 760.884 762.738 760.97 762.68 Yeah yeah , is noise . Fourier . 761.38 762.05 762.68 IN1013 A MIE034 0 763.144 766.252 763.45 766.19 And and you get whispering type synthesis , yeah . 765.82 766.19 IN1013 B MIO078 1 764.257 764.853 764.35 764.51 Yeah . 764.51 IN1013 A MIE034 0 772.114 790.937 772.32 790.937 Yep . Or one of these glottal pulse things . F and just use basic L_P_C_ ten style . Yeah , which is which is probably , I mean , if you're going to aim for like a very low rate code to below five hundred bits per second , I guess . That's that's probably fine . But 773.39 775.91 779.69 780.07 781.06 781.55 786.02 786.37 790.27 IN1013 B MIO078 1 775.836 776.543 775.89 776.36 Yeah . 776.36 IN1013 D MIO097 3 778.719 780.627 778.8 780.55 Right . Yeah . 780.09 780.55 IN1013 D MIO097 3 788.252 791.091 788.33 790.87 It mi it mi yeah . 790.87 IN1013 B MIO078 1 789.42 794.652 789.44 794.652 So what is the CELP standard now ? Like it's it's two kilo-bits per second ? Or the 791.26 793.67 IN1013 A MIE034 0 793.475 822.432 793.61 822.35 Uh the lowest standard is MELP I think , which is twenty four hundred , the standard . It's been implemented at twelve hundred f bits per second using more more complicated quantization schemes and stuff like that , I think . I think so , yeah . I s I saw that they used matrix quantisation on the L_P_ uh on the L_S_F_ parameters or whatever . But I mean that's quite it becomes quite computationally intensive . But I mean I imagine the same sort of approach could be taken with yours as well . 796.42 799.03 799.97 806.25 807.06 807.48 808.31 814.94 818.53 822.35 IN1013 B MIO078 1 798.735 800.52 798.81 800.48 Oh that two two kilo-bits per t - IN1013 B MIO078 1 801.876 802.606 801.93 802.55 Ah ok - IN1013 B MIO078 1 804.695 806.815 804.85 806.815 Ah . Some 806.09 IN1013 D MIO097 3 806.272 809.411 806.29 809.35 Twelve hundred ? Yeah . Yeah , it's possible , some of it . 806.99 808.11 808.26 808.73 809.35 IN1013 D MIO097 3 811.165 811.854 811.29 811.54 Yeah . 811.54 IN1013 D MIO097 3 813.251 813.817 813.38 813.65 Mm-hmm . 813.65 IN1013 B MIO078 1 814.257 815.363 814.34 815.363 Yeah , yeah . But 814.52 814.91 IN1013 D MIO097 3 817.588 818.434 817.68 818.24 R right . 818.24 IN1013 D MIO097 3 820.632 832.27 820.87 832.01 Well I'm just comparing with uh L_P_C_ ten standard , which is like classical L_P_C_ . A little bit optimized . So there in the there is I think two point four kilo-bits per second , the bit rate for that . 823.7 826.05 827.0 830.24 832.01 IN1013 B MIO078 1 821.422 821.944 821.6 821.71 Yeah . 821.71 IN1013 A MIE034 0 826.01 826.551 826.11 826.37 No . 826.37 IN1013 B MIO078 1 831.321 831.945 831.41 831.77 Hmm . 831.77 IN1013 A MIE034 0 831.854 836.727 831.95 836.42 Yeah , that's the same . Twenty MELP*'s a lot better quality though . Yeah . 832.19 833.06 835.52 836.42 IN1013 D MIO097 3 835.214 845.842 835.49 845.55 Yeah , definitely . This is no , uh I mean L_P_C_ ten is just L_P_C_ . No no no . No . Just noise or just those impulses . 835.67 837.26 838.3 840.67 842.11 843.66 845.55 IN1013 B MIO078 1 835.136 839.054 835.51 839.054 Yeah . But this is codec centred , no . You have code book . So 836.19 837.4 837.51 838.26 IN1013 A MIE034 0 836.727 855.46 837.98 855.13 ..No no . I think I think I think I think CELP or CELP or however you pronounce that . It's about forty eight hundred I think . Yeah . Well the standard's forty eight hundred or something , yeah . Yeah . 842.68 847.9 850.99 851.65 854.08 854.67 855.13 IN1013 B MIO078 1 840.278 842.864 840.36 842.83 Oh it's not codecs code book . There is not code book . Oh ok 841.8 842.48 IN1013 B MIO078 1 844.234 845.009 844.34 844.88 Oh . 844.88 IN1013 B MIO078 1 846.684 847.956 846.83 847.956 Yeah , CELP is 846.95 IN1013 D MIO097 3 847.407 848.148 847.67 848.06 CELP . 848.06 IN1013 B MIO078 1 850.05 861.215 850.13 861.215 Yeah , it's it's it's around one kilo-byte like . Yeah . Yeah , that's a , I think , even G_S_M_ and all this , G_ seven two nine . Yeah , yeah . On based on CELP . At least it gives 850.25 853.42 854.55 854.85 855.26 855.67 856.95 858.97 859.34 859.45 860.27 IN1013 D MIO097 3 851.155 855.112 851.3 855.01 Yeah there yeah , yeah . Yeah . Yeah , yeah . Four point eight or something . 852.06 853.09 853.41 853.57 853.89 855.01 IN1013 A MIE034 0 857.963 863.56 858.08 863.35 Or based around that . Yeah . Okay . It's not terribly interesting though , really . 858.98 859.8 861.18 862.96 863.35 IN1013 D MIO097 3 859.664 860.259 859.82 860.18 Right . 860.18 IN1013 B MIO078 1 862.961 870.44 863.12 870.44 But still they use a code book , no . So that's really uh it's maybe better than like using just random noise or 864.84 864.98 IN1013 A MIE034 0 865.107 866.64 865.19 866.64 Yeah . So I'm 866.09 IN1013 A MIE034 0 869.635 876.912 869.79 876.912 Well you you've well , I mean you've got a bunch of options , haven't you . You can use like uh a codec sided or you could use a 870.69 872.27 872.78 IN1013 D MIO097 3 872.949 873.763 873.06 873.56 Yeah , sure . 873.32 873.56 IN1013 B MIO078 1 872.984 874.938 873.15 874.84 Yeah . Yeah . 874.42 874.84 IN1013 D MIO097 3 876.323 892.554 876.5 892.16 Well more or less what we didn't do is analysis by synthesis , right . So that's what CELP is doing , right . So yeah , so this is what we do and uh that might help a lot , of course . But w yeah , exactly . That's that's the question . 879.36 879.57 881.96 882.5 883.7 887.39 888.44 890.59 891.08 892.16 IN1013 B MIO078 1 880.019 880.56 880.04 880.52 Yeah . 880.52 IN1013 A MIE034 0 880.646 883.975 880.77 883.82 Sinusoidal based . No . Yeah , yeah . Sure , sure , sure . 882.48 882.78 882.96 883.08 883.3 883.5 883.82 IN1013 C MIO105 2 882.256 882.99 882.29 882.54 Mm-hmm . 882.54 IN1013 B MIO078 1 886.389 887.043 886.62 886.95 Yeah . 886.95 IN1013 A MIE034 0 888.026 901.31 888.14 901.08 Yeah , but what's more interesting ? I I mean 'cause c I I I suspect there somethings like um CELP . You're gonna get h lot higher band-width , aren't you . I mean it's a high band-width standard . So yeah . 888.42 890.43 894.67 897.6 898.76 900.02 901.08 IN1013 B MIO078 1 889.803 890.285 889.95 890.15 Huh . 890.15 IN1013 D MIO097 3 899.538 935.039 899.74 934.91 It will be . Yeah , yeah . Yeah , sure . For example , uh there what I also did was uh a simple peak peaking algorithm . So if you take a look on that spectrum of that of that carrier signal , which is more or less like the cosine if you really take a look on that . But it is kind of frequency shifted cosine or frequency modulated cosine . Right , so it's th the frequency still to be changing . Or of course the amplitude is just not constant all time . It should be theoretically . But practically it's not . So what you can see for a one second signal , you m more or less you already might see some like one 900.29 900.43 900.72 900.89 901.87 902.43 906.54 910.92 913.99 919.45 919.58 922.25 925.14 926.34 927.77 931.33 IN1013 B MIO078 1 901.411 902.093 901.5 901.97 Yeah . 901.97 IN1013 A MIE034 0 919.213 919.895 919.28 919.64 Okay . 919.64 IN1013 A MIE034 0 921.696 922.609 921.78 922.43 Yeah , yeah , yeah . 922.01 922.18 922.43 IN1013 B MIO078 1 926.984 927.766 927.11 927.766 Ah , okay . 927.38 927.51 IN1013 D MIO097 3 935.039 968.302 935.58 968.24 one uh impulse there or spectral line for . But usually there are many others which are s quite small , but they are quite important . If you don't transmit them , then the signal is quite robotic or something like that . So if you're really transmitting just one spectral line . But this is what you can do . And you can understand pretty well . The signal is audible . Or if you're adjust uh th find one one line , one speaker and dom dom dominant one in the spectrum of that c uh carrier Hil Hilbert carrier , and you just transmit this parameter . 939.23 943.04 944.38 945.37 947.83 950.14 951.6 953.51 954.85 960.5 966.41 968.24 IN1013 A MIE034 0 938.715 939.331 938.79 939.18 Okay . 939.18 IN1013 B MIO078 1 946.027 946.725 946.11 946.42 Hmm . 946.42 IN1013 A MIE034 0 947.561 948.205 947.7 948.12 Hmm . 948.12 IN1013 C MIO105 2 952.881 953.716 953.01 953.32 Okay . 953.32 IN1013 A MIE034 0 955.95 956.989 956.01 956.989 Okay . So I mean 956.27 IN1013 B MIO078 1 958.495 958.878 958.59 958.878 But - IN1013 A MIE034 0 958.868 959.459 959.02 959.459 How - IN1013 A MIE034 0 962.616 963.138 962.69 962.94 Yep . 962.94 IN1013 B MIO078 1 963.484 964.291 963.59 964.12 Hmm . 964.12 IN1013 A MIE034 0 967.908 980.588 968.02 980.4 Yeah . 'Cause it's a bit tricky , isn't it . That's it's not like a standard I'm just thinking , I mean what sort of opt it's not like you can't just do standard um , you know , inverse filtering for um signal reconstruction or anything like that , can you ? 968.55 969.32 969.63 972.16 975.76 976.02 979.89 980.4 IN1013 D MIO097 3 977.698 978.659 977.698 978.21 No , n 978.16 IN1013 B MIO078 1 979.566 980.323 979.566 980.323 . 980.323 IN1013 D MIO097 3 980.996 989.746 981.08 989.59 It's even easier because what you have to do is just divide the you just multiply that Hilbert envelope by the table carrier . That that's all . 989.01 989.59 IN1013 A MIE034 0 989.339 992.764 989.45 992.61 Uh oh okay and then you just then you just do the inverse F_F_T_ or whatever . 992.61 IN1013 D MIO097 3 991.298 1003.717 991.47 1003.717 Yeah , yeah . Yeah , exactly . So so you just multiply that uh one Hilbert carrier , which is transcribed by L_S_F_s by that this one I_F_F_T_ signal . So 991.89 993.26 993.6 995.34 998.22 1003.29 IN1013 B MIO078 1 992.767 994.877 992.88 994.82 Inverse , yeah . Inverse Hilbert . Yeah . Yeah . 993.22 993.5 994.17 994.65 994.82 IN1013 A MIE034 0 994.795 996.37 994.87 996.07 Okay , the oth I mean the other o 995.12 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1000.436 1000.893 1000.5 1000.85 Mm yeah . 1000.85 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1003.718 1008.833 1003.84 1008.833 But that's gonna be susceptible to having phase problems , is that , when you 1007.63 1008.0 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1008.274 1042.351 1008.42 1042.351 Oh f you mean the phase of that uh of that carrier ? Of of course I try to play also with that , and uh I found that it doesn't matter so much which what is the phase because we are using just one second window , right . So of course there there might be uh some uh disturb uh disturbed uh when you concatenate those segments together . But then the phase might be important . But otherwise , I mean , I didn't find any anything important with the phase . Like great , keep the phase zero and it works . Or 1013.86 1017.34 1023.5 1024.16 1031.26 1034.73 1035.62 1036.33 1039.4 1040.3 1041.93 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1011.295 1013.531 1011.54 1013.531 Or output signal like - IN1013 A MIE034 0 1011.697 1012.977 1011.76 1012.9 Yeah , yeah . 1012.12 1012.9 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1023.056 1024.572 1023.08 1024.54 Yeah . Okay . 1024.02 1024.54 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1033.985 1034.459 1034.07 1034.34 Yeah . 1034.34 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1041.992 1057.028 1042.1 1057.028 Hmm . And now I mean there is there are um mm there is research uh um pu that's been published showing , you know , speech reconstruction from the essentially the spectrogram without phase information . Yeah . So 1042.46 1050.24 1050.48 1055.52 1056.42 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1053.872 1064.585 1054.01 1064.51 Right . Right right right . Yeah . But it's again a little bit different , because they are i they are doing this in a frequency domain . But this is in time domain , more or less . 1054.87 1055.64 1056.62 1057.82 1062.22 1063.92 1064.51 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1061.51 1062.117 1061.6 1062.06 Yes . 1062.06 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1062.648 1063.155 1062.82 1063.06 Yeah . 1063.06 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1064.048 1069.868 1064.11 1069.868 Yes , but I mean you can reconstruct the the f the th the entire 1064.46 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1069.816 1075.192 1069.94 1075.07 Right . The spectrogram , you mean . Yeah , yeah , yeah . Yeah . 1071.15 1071.92 1072.7 1073.03 1073.34 1074.59 1075.07 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1071.756 1086.457 1071.93 1086.457 Spectrogram from that , can't you . So you could do it that way . Cause I'm just saying there's a heaps of there heaps of options . Like if y you be exactly the same as sinusoidal coding or something like that . All you need is the reconstruction of the spectrogram in order to estimate the harmonic amplitudes and 1072.98 1073.46 1074.73 1076.62 1080.8 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1080.631 1082.385 1080.79 1082.32 Right . Right . 1081.96 1082.32 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1085.369 1134.34 1085.81 1134.22 Exactly . What we can also do very simple is just to get the magnitude spectrogram using this approximation without the carrier , just Hilbert envelope . But you just uh get it in in this way , in in the way of Rob's , right . But you can also get the s short time Fourier transform uh and keep it right . Just classical uh frame by frame algorithm , twenty milliseconds . Uh but you keep just the phases instead of magnitudes . And you can put this together , right . And it works pretty well , and then the signal is not uh just uh whispered . Then you really hear that there is the voiceness in the signal . But uh of course the quality is uh is not so good still . But uh you can use it for like two , three kilo-bits per second and it works . 1086.91 1095.03 1096.36 1098.63 1099.93 1100.52 1106.21 1109.35 1110.49 1113.66 1115.83 1116.45 1118.19 1122.58 1126.45 1129.98 1132.47 1134.22 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1092.18 1094.433 1092.27 1094.23 And then yeah . 1094.23 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1096.017 1096.683 1096.13 1096.39 Yeah . 1096.39 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1098.649 1099.173 1098.73 1099.07 Yeah . 1099.07 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1102.969 1103.565 1103.03 1103.41 Ye - IN1013 B MIO078 1 1103.419 1104.026 1103.49 1103.93 Yeah yeah . 1103.93 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1104.334 1105.639 1104.49 1105.48 Just by refitting . 1105.48 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1107.851 1108.525 1107.94 1108.39 Yeah . 1108.39 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1111.937 1112.61 1112.03 1112.53 Yeah , yeah . 1112.3 1112.53 IN1013 C MIO105 2 1112.766 1113.595 1112.93 1113.53 Mm-hmm . 1113.53 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1115.25 1115.941 1115.32 1115.78 Okay . 1115.78 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1116.226 1116.858 1116.31 1116.78 Hmm . 1116.78 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1124.639 1125.994 1124.73 1125.86 Yeah , okay . 1125.53 1125.86 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1125.085 1125.658 1125.23 1125.62 Oh ok - IN1013 A MIE034 0 1129.419 1129.984 1129.48 1129.83 D it's th - IN1013 B MIO078 1 1130.567 1131.14 1130.81 1131.08 Hmm . 1131.08 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1134.415 1155.799 1134.54 1155.71 Yeah . But that's that's the big thing at the moment , isn't it . If if you're mm if i if the if the exci if the if the encoding rate's two kilo-bits per second for the the excitation component of the signal . It doesn't matter how efficient your um encoding of the spectrogram is , you're always gonna have a high relatively high bit rate . 1134.98 1136.5 1137.0 1147.2 1151.95 1155.71 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1134.5 1135.132 1134.62 1134.98 Hmm . 1134.98 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1138.096 1139.182 1138.15 1139.05 Like yeah . 1139.05 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1146.009 1146.51 1146.1 1146.34 Right . 1146.34 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1151.968 1152.571 1151.99 1152.49 Right . 1152.49 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1156.688 1157.454 1156.79 1157.26 Yeah , sure . 1156.96 1157.26 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1156.944 1157.376 1157.02 1157.24 Hmm . 1157.24 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1157.522 1158.029 1157.522 1157.522 . 1157.522 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1161.454 1161.938 1161.7 1161.85 Yeah . 1161.85 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1162.062 1179.6 1162.2 1179.6 Anyway , so um hmm m maybe it would be nice if you t if you tell us uh what you do with the speech coding 'cause I d I didn't see any of P_H_D_s of you , I think . So if you did something so maybe it would be interesting at least to 1162.46 1172.56 1173.1 IN1013 C MIO105 2 1175.726 1179.881 1175.86 1179.881 I have never done anything . 1179.78 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1175.019 1177.011 1176.46 1176.55 Nah . 1176.55 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1177.011 1186.298 1177.13 1186.298 Yeah , yeah . Yeah , sure . Well , one could argue it's it's a field that's quite a sort of a niche these days , isn't it . Um 1177.48 1177.84 1178.08 1178.94 1179.82 1183.48 1185.4 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1184.192 1185.455 1184.32 1185.29 Yeah . Yeah , sure . 1184.77 1185.02 1185.29 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1184.715 1197.753 1184.88 1197.71 Hmm . But yeah but it's more towards industry , no . Like the yeah , because I worked in a industry for like a small time . But they're they used to implement all these coders , G_S_M_ and I_T_U_ standards . 1185.77 1187.88 1188.06 1189.14 1192.09 1195.13 1197.71 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1187.888 1190.023 1187.93 1189.85 In standards and yeah . 1189.85 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1189.267 1190.353 1189.41 1190.23 It's true . 1190.23 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1197.643 1200.18 1197.76 1200.11 So you were when when did you do that ? 1200.11 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1199.855 1216.453 1200.25 1216.39 No , just before my P_H_D_ . for like few months . Yeah , but that's uh like industry it's really a big deal like . So they they they work on a lot of these standards . Yeah . But mostly they're all based on CELP like mainly . Yeah . So 1200.42 1202.38 1204.3 1204.45 1207.67 1211.99 1212.6 1215.62 1215.9 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1201.779 1204.013 1201.85 1203.88 Oh okay . Uh-huh . 1203.63 1203.88 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1208.078 1208.66 1208.16 1208.49 Mm yeah . 1208.49 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1210.554 1211.473 1210.63 1211.32 I think so , yeah . 1211.11 1211.32 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1211.397 1213.127 1211.47 1213.127 Well did you say uh who said - IN1013 A MIE034 0 1215.198 1231.872 1215.27 1231.62 Yeah . Is it Nokia's being sued in the U_S_ for their tri-band usage 'cause , you know , intellectual property . Uh no no , g G_S_M_ because they don't have G_S_M_ in the U_S_ . Or I didn't have G_S_M_ in the U_S_ . 1216.42 1223.63 1223.97 1226.07 1227.41 1229.9 1231.62 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1221.665 1222.38 1221.69 1222.34 How ? 1222.34 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1223.526 1227.543 1223.6 1227.543 You mean using that uh C_D_M_A_ ? Or 1226.75 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1227.643 1229.09 1227.66 1228.84 Tri-band is G_S_M_ . 1228.84 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1231.312 1237.34 1231.58 1236.93 Yeah , it's not G_S_M_ . Right it's uh kind of s no C_D_M_A_ is uh another level , I think . 1231.76 1232.64 1236.58 1236.93 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1233.169 1235.34 1233.31 1235.14 UH it's f uh okay . 1235.14 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1233.262 1234.209 1233.34 1234.1 C_D_M_A_ . 1234.1 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1236.68 1245.859 1236.85 1245.859 No no , but C_D_M_ is there but now slowly they're introducing G_S_M_ also now in U_S_ like . Yeah , G_S_M_ tri-band . Like the frequencies are different , like very uh 1237.11 1242.04 1242.42 1243.18 1244.47 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1237.036 1237.753 1237.07 1237.38 No no n - IN1013 A MIE034 0 1240.461 1251.977 1240.65 1251.74 Uh well that's tri-band , s yeah . Yeah , yeah . Yeah . Yeah . Yeah yep . And apparently Nokia's in a bit of trouble over that one , but yeah . Well it's interesting . 1241.58 1242.64 1243.12 1244.07 1245.12 1245.28 1246.11 1248.9 1250.91 1251.74 IN1013 C MIO105 2 1242.734 1246.368 1242.96 1246.19 Yeah , tri-band G_S_M_ , yeah . Different frequency . Yeah , exactly . Mm-hmm . 1243.16 1244.08 1244.29 1244.88 1245.0 1245.88 1246.19 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1249.338 1249.871 1249.45 1249.75 Mm-hmm . 1249.75 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1249.599 1250.14 1249.7 1250.08 Ah . 1250.08 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1251.587 1253.784 1251.68 1253.68 Yeah . Now it's really big competition . 1251.99 1253.68 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1252.573 1266.167 1252.76 1266.167 I think there is a l lot of money in that like , right . Like speech recognition , of course it's very interesting , but people don't use it so much as s just coding , just telephoning , right , or just 1255.95 1257.24 1258.62 1260.32 1264.42 1265.1 1265.33 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1255.088 1259.406 1255.84 1259.406 Yeah . Should've been a lawyer . 1256.23 1259.03 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1256.27 1257.052 1256.42 1256.69 Yeah . 1256.69 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1262.827 1264.886 1262.9 1264.886 Well that's - IN1013 A MIE034 0 1264.886 1282.857 1264.99 1282.75 But I mean coding is a much more sort of it's it's it well I mean it's it's uh it when it boils down to just mathematics to a large extent , doesn't it . It's it's just uh sort of it's , you know , communications s sort of No . 1274.18 1275.53 1278.99 1279.79 1282.75 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1268.451 1272.158 1268.47 1272.158 Standard maybe like established . 1271.77 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1273.203 1275.355 1273.51 1275.27 Right . Yeah . They s yeah , yeah . 1273.97 1274.48 1275.05 1275.27 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1279.073 1279.772 1279.16 1279.66 Yeah . 1279.66 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1280.675 1281.724 1280.82 1281.64 Right . Right . 1281.39 1281.64 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1282.898 1291.968 1283.01 1291.968 So where do you think your thing is useful ? In C_D_M_A_ or G_S_M_ ? I think maybe in C_D_M_A_ it may be m C_D_M_A_ is more like 1285.0 1287.13 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1285.206 1287.879 1285.206 1287.79 No , I I . 1287.64 1287.79 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1289.695 1294.798 1289.92 1294.53 Well what we were what we were thinking about is oh , C_D_M_A_ , I mean there is the b 1292.7 1293.32 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1293.623 1296.816 1293.88 1296.816 More time domain . The they they are c doing only 1294.72 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1298.176 1328.077 1298.33 1327.83 Well , the problem is this in with this application , or it doesn't have to be problem but one constraint is that we are processing one second of the signal . You can go down of course . But then you are losing little bit of the bit rate , let's say , right . So but there are many applications where you really can use it because you don't care about algorithmic delay , one second algorithmic delay , like for I don't know if instead of S_M_S_ you can really have some channel where you just right . Um so probably . 1298.67 1301.11 1306.08 1307.15 1309.21 1309.52 1310.41 1315.48 1316.72 1325.5 1327.83 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1309.426 1310.482 1309.52 1310.34 Yeah . Sure , sure . 1309.74 1310.05 1310.34 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1310.198 1310.688 1310.26 1310.57 Yeah . 1310.57 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1316.846 1317.33 1316.9 1317.25 Yeah . 1317.25 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1321.401 1324.668 1321.5 1324.58 Yeah . Sure , sure . Push to talk and stuff like that . Yep . 1321.7 1321.98 1322.72 1324.25 1324.58 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1326.85 1349.756 1326.95 1349.756 And I mean , as you say , I mean that delay is , I mean you can squash that delay to some extent , right . I n I think as far as the co you know , c c Delilah's coding goes , I don't think you can probably do much more than what's already been achieved . Because to get higher compression you have to , you know , take advantage of redundancy over longer time spans . So 1327.41 1328.07 1329.67 1332.87 1333.77 1336.17 1338.37 1341.61 1346.02 1346.27 1349.24 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1332.544 1334.023 1332.74 1333.83 Right , right . Yeah . 1333.07 1333.57 1333.83 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1333.34 1334.014 1333.41 1333.81 Yeah . 1333.81 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1341.568 1342.353 1341.71 1342.25 Yeah . 1342.25 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1347.53 1348.302 1347.82 1348.19 Right . 1348.19 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1349.828 1367.568 1349.91 1367.568 But you know really the these long line telephones , they already have delay , no . At least half a second or yeah . Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . But mobile m 1353.03 1353.94 1354.09 1358.06 1358.46 1359.71 1361.31 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1349.981 1350.587 1350.19 1350.41 Yep . 1350.41 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1354.809 1376.874 1354.96 1376.79 Yeah , sure , but I mean that's transmission delay , not algorithmic delay . If you add those together you end up with a the nightmare scenario , I guess . We might have someone else joining our uh meeting soon . Oh yeah . I don't know , I mean uh you'd be you tried sinusoidal coding based approaches , didn't you ? Sinusoidal coding . 1355.13 1355.35 1356.6 1357.77 1361.19 1364.41 1369.74 1370.52 1371.01 1374.15 1375.32 1376.79 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1358.09 1358.717 1358.2 1358.5 Right . 1358.5 IN1013 C MIO105 2 1362.869 1368.25 1362.869 1368.25 Okay . 1368.18 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1364.008 1368.312 1364.21 1368.312 What if s - IN1013 B MIO078 1 1369.425 1370.448 1369.55 1370.448 And this one is - IN1013 D MIO097 3 1374.757 1377.931 1374.84 1377.931 Which one , s oh 1376.79 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1379.194 1396.622 1379.29 1396.49 Well , but the sinusoidal coding is usually m when you s at least what I think or uh what I know is when you are doing sinusoidal coding it means you just take the speech signal at the beginning , right . And you are trying to find to uh yeah , to find the harmonics in a temporal domain , right , for that . 1379.7 1389.51 1389.99 1393.74 1395.94 1396.13 1396.49 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1392.351 1393.864 1392.41 1393.864 Uh harmonics and the - IN1013 A MIE034 0 1393.839 1427.231 1394.14 1427.231 Yeah , but sure . Yeah , m yeah , tr yeah it's a yeah , but I mean the th the the thing is you'd need ti it part of the parameter set for that is uh the um uh the f uh the harmonic amplitudes . And then one way of compressing the harmonic amplitudes is just storing the smooth spectrum . And then you can uh and then you can interpolate yeah , you can just pick the the um the harmonic amplitudes on that spectrum when you reconstruct on that smooth version of the spectrum when you reconstruct . Y yeah . Well , I was just saying 1394.34 1395.99 1396.15 1396.41 1397.43 1408.29 1414.19 1417.05 1424.6 1426.29 1426.39 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1396.076 1396.575 1396.21 1396.47 Yeah . 1396.47 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1408.057 1408.579 1408.13 1408.4 Right . 1408.4 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1414.257 1415.364 1414.49 1415.05 Oh . Yeah . 1414.84 1415.05 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1414.803 1417.389 1414.88 1417.07 And then picking yeah . 1417.07 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1421.745 1434.369 1421.83 1434.1 Right . More or less I did it maybe different way , but kind of algorithm like okay , trying to find out the strongest or the the most dominant peaks in the spectrum , which is more or less the same . 1423.47 1425.26 1428.25 1432.94 1434.1 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1425.386 1426.027 1425.5 1425.96 Yeah . 1425.96 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1431.671 1433.17 1431.82 1433.06 Yeah . Yep . 1432.84 1433.06 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1433.005 1438.967 1433.17 1438.8 But maybe the bit rate is the problem , no . Like what David was doing . Like it's really uh yeah , yeah , yeah . 1434.88 1434.99 1436.18 1438.12 1438.49 1438.8 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1435.144 1440.946 1435.42 1440.69 Yeah , well I I th it's high . It's quite a high bit rate . But I mean once we it maybe it's something that's scalable . 1435.71 1437.22 1438.15 1440.69 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1436.757 1437.394 1436.98 1437.22 But th - IN1013 D MIO097 3 1440.656 1443.026 1440.68 1443.026 But you know , the the f the interesting 1441.09 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1441.18 1447.027 1441.38 1446.99 Yeah , maybe you can just see how many how many harmonics . He was using twenty , I think . Like yeah , maybe you can try to reduce . 1442.01 1444.27 1445.07 1445.39 1445.72 1446.99 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1446.802 1471.942 1446.96 1471.8 Well it I mean you can use as many harmonics as you want . I m h uh he was just using the fundamental frequency . And if you smooth it doing a smooth spectrum representation of the harmonic amplitudes , then you only need to store the the the fundamental frequency and and the and the maximum voice frequency . And everything else can be yeah , s yeah , sure . So , and then but then the tricky the only tricky thing that we hadn't figured out was the phase information . 1449.06 1452.57 1456.06 1463.96 1466.01 1466.24 1467.12 1467.77 1471.8 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1449.279 1449.769 1449.42 1449.71 Yeah . 1449.71 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1451.466 1451.906 1451.54 1451.8 Yeah . 1451.8 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1452.27 1452.75 1452.35 1452.6 Right . 1452.6 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1458.923 1459.496 1459.0 1459.41 And the f - IN1013 D MIO097 3 1460.61 1462.186 1460.79 1462.0 Right , and that that's it . 1461.21 1462.0 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1460.918 1462.364 1461.02 1462.09 And then all this amplitude . 1462.09 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1464.133 1466.96 1464.31 1466.93 And then you do multiples of right . Yeah . 1466.78 1466.93 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1465.907 1467.262 1466.06 1467.16 Ah . Yeah , yeah . Yeah . 1466.44 1466.57 1466.99 1467.16 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1471.236 1472.774 1471.36 1472.73 Yeah . Each again . 1472.08 1472.73 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1472.355 1472.961 1472.52 1472.74 Yeah . 1472.74 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1473.209 1507.664 1473.3 1507.54 Um but y but uh you can still get a like you get th um basically if you do phase unwrapping and all of these other tricks , you end up with some sort of phase representation , which is some sort of monotonically decreasing function . Yeah , unwrapped , yeah . So I mean it's something that you could conceivably represent in some sort of low sort of r you know , low bit rate representation , I guess . And then maybe you'd need some sort of correction to um to correct minor phase discontinuities at some point in time . 1479.82 1482.62 1488.36 1488.68 1489.24 1489.84 1497.57 1498.78 1499.91 1507.54 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1483.277 1485.987 1483.3 1485.94 Some kind of linear yeah . 1485.94 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1483.556 1484.412 1483.67 1484.412 Like it - IN1013 D MIO097 3 1485.873 1489.535 1485.99 1489.47 If it is unwrap you mean . Unwrap uh phase . 1487.97 1489.47 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1488.69 1490.378 1489.26 1490.16 Yeah . Yeah . 1489.82 1490.16 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1493.919 1494.619 1494.03 1494.45 Right . 1494.45 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1494.025 1495.688 1494.05 1495.688 Some function or like a - IN1013 D MIO097 3 1497.246 1500.211 1497.31 1500.06 You l right , yeah . 1499.73 1500.06 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1506.496 1564.236 1506.66 1564.09 Yeah , yeah . I also play with that . And for example what I found i well , in this case uh we are not trying to encode the speech signal . We are trying to encode some carrier , which is much easier , I would say , because you can really im you can see that even . So what I was trying to encode at the phases , so I just found that uh two bits is enough for that and you really don't hear the difference . So if you keep all the spectral lines as they were there but you were just uh quantizing with two bits or three bits for amplitude , two bits for for phase . So it's okay . The problem is that you have to transmit many of them . 'Cause there is not just one dominant component but usually more others which are quite small , right . Or what you have to do then you have to decrease the the the size of not one second , but you have to go down because then you can get just voiced part and unvoiced part . You know , one second it's usually mixed right somehow together . 1506.82 1507.94 1509.36 1511.64 1515.16 1516.81 1518.76 1519.35 1523.18 1526.23 1530.72 1539.46 1540.7 1541.98 1544.94 1550.21 1551.43 1556.79 1560.54 1560.8 1564.09 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1517.663 1518.52 1517.76 1518.42 'Cau - IN1013 B MIO078 1 1518.47 1521.849 1518.56 1521.55 Hmm . Yeah . Yeah . 1519.84 1521.15 1521.55 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1519.196 1520.285 1519.38 1520.07 Yeah , yeah , sure . 1519.62 1519.83 1520.07 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1522.575 1523.631 1522.65 1523.5 Yeah , okay . 1522.89 1523.5 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1530.436 1531.234 1530.6 1531.15 Okay . 1531.15 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1533.389 1533.854 1533.45 1533.74 Yeah . 1533.74 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1535.019 1535.542 1535.11 1535.45 Yeah . 1535.45 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1541.589 1542.263 1541.66 1542.19 Okay . 1542.19 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1544.637 1545.777 1544.71 1545.48 Yeah . Sure , sure . 1545.0 1545.33 1545.48 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1544.743 1545.377 1544.84 1545.3 Oh . 1545.3 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1549.227 1551.264 1549.3 1551.17 Yeah . Yep . 1550.85 1551.17 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1550.631 1551.255 1550.7 1551.17 Yeah . 1551.17 IN1013 C MIO105 2 1551.911 1552.415 1552.09 1552.38 True . 1552.38 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1554.557 1555.929 1554.58 1555.929 The size of the - IN1013 A MIE034 0 1560.636 1561.45 1560.83 1561.3 Yeah , yeah . 1561.14 1561.3 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1563.785 1564.409 1563.81 1564.26 Hmm . 1564.26 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1564.234 1585.979 1564.34 1585.94 But you don't do any voice un-voice decision , no ? Yeah , the that's even advantage I think for this approach . Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . sorta the modelling , it's really another issue like . Yeah . Yeah . Yeah , yeah . Yeah . Yeah . And then you have to combine all this harmonic model and noise model . So again you may end up some . 1566.18 1566.95 1567.12 1569.29 1570.21 1570.94 1572.99 1573.68 1575.12 1575.99 1576.71 1576.98 1577.97 1579.6 1580.23 1583.94 1585.94 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1566.032 1567.456 1566.17 1567.42 Not now , no . I wi 1566.57 1567.1 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1566.657 1573.052 1566.8 1572.73 No , and you uh you wanna avoid hard choices on voicing decision , yeah . 1567.05 1572.32 1572.73 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1570.441 1573.5 1570.56 1573.39 Uh uh we don't no want to do that , yeah , because it's quite tricky . 1571.91 1572.19 1573.39 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1574.915 1580.22 1575.04 1580.14 Well that's one of the big problems with L_P_C_ ten for instance . I it stinks because this hard yeah . 1577.49 1580.14 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1575.27 1575.792 1575.37 1575.73 Right . 1575.73 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1577.082 1579.827 1577.082 1579.65 yeah , sure . Exactly . 1577.6 1579.14 1579.65 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1582.08 1582.96 1582.1 1582.81 Right . 1582.81 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1586.07 1616.8 1586.22 1616.8 But for example what we also found is that if you use just the Hilbert envelope , that that one which is trying to approximate that energy in some low band , like ar around two hundred t uh hertz , and you take a look on the signal , on the trajectory , you can see that it works like kind of um voice detector . Because uh for a low energies there is usually noise . For high energies there is kind of a harmonicity . So it works pretty well for that . So we might use this one information for that . But 1590.72 1595.48 1599.04 1600.49 1601.23 1605.87 1609.59 1612.51 1613.7 1616.38 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1586.613 1587.253 1586.8 1587.08 'Cause - IN1013 B MIO078 1 1604.899 1605.971 1605.02 1605.83 Oh okay . 1605.83 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1605.072 1605.995 1605.21 1605.8 Yeah , sure . 1605.45 1605.8 IN1013 C MIO105 2 1605.615 1606.064 1605.76 1605.91 Mm . 1605.91 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1609.38 1609.795 1609.45 1609.64 Yeah . 1609.64 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1610.583 1612.075 1610.68 1612.075 The pe peak uh - IN1013 A MIE034 0 1612.105 1613.119 1612.18 1612.89 Yeah , yep . 1612.71 1612.89 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1614.882 1645.838 1615.0 1645.69 But but that that two hundred this is what they use for like um st they they do use this for um for um pitch marking in speech . So this is what Alan Black's code uses . But it's very speaker dependent wh on what sort of band width you'd look at this Hilbert envelope . Depending on the pitch , depending on the person , y you'll get a different amount of smoothing and a certain sort of so I mean , you know , if it's a female speaker for instance you yeah . So it's sorta tricky . 1623.67 1625.19 1632.78 1633.89 1635.63 1640.58 1640.83 1644.65 1645.69 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1620.246 1623.033 1620.246 1622.9 Yeah , I think so , yeah . Mm-hmm . 1620.61 1621.23 1622.64 1622.9 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1623.997 1626.162 1624.13 1625.95 Yeah , yeah . Yeah . 1624.51 1625.73 1625.95 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1631.476 1632.76 1631.56 1632.62 Right . Uh-huh . 1632.34 1632.62 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1632.545 1633.402 1632.545 1633.18 Yeah . 1633.18 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1635.071 1635.635 1635.21 1635.47 Mm-hmm . 1635.47 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1635.675 1636.495 1635.73 1636.37 S - IN1013 B MIO078 1 1639.069 1641.056 1639.22 1640.81 Yeah . Yeah . 1640.55 1640.81 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1639.937 1640.699 1640.22 1640.59 Mm-hmm . 1640.59 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1642.824 1645.615 1642.824 1645.36 That's true , yeah . Yeah . 1643.76 1645.17 1645.36 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1644.654 1647.697 1644.73 1647.66 So that's a you have to tune lot of parameters like I am . 1647.66 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1647.12 1649.234 1647.24 1649.06 Yeah , yeah . Yeah , that's that's a problem . 1647.41 1647.8 1648.12 1649.06 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1647.086 1647.76 1647.28 1647.73 Yeah . 1647.73 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1649.651 1652.977 1649.76 1652.91 But anyway , you don't really need hard decisions , no ? Like voiced unvoiced . 1650.08 1651.76 1651.9 1652.91 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1649.476 1650.147 1649.84 1650.02 Sure . 1650.02 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1653.481 1682.197 1653.481 1682.1 Uh n no . Y yeah , but from memory that that basic script that they had wasn't wasn't very um effective . I mean maybe if you did some sort of initial first p guess and then and then chose your smoothing factor based on that . 'Cause it it you know , selecting at any particular point of what the what the pitch is at the may be inaccurate . But if you estimated it over a second , you should be able to get a decent estimate , I'd I'd think . 1656.14 1658.86 1664.39 1671.71 1672.72 1677.85 1679.66 1681.32 1682.1 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1653.381 1654.311 1653.58 1654.27 Uh f - IN1013 B MIO078 1 1654.507 1658.627 1654.54 1658.52 So m maybe it may help you , but it yeah . Yeah . 1655.93 1658.1 1658.52 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1655.741 1658.57 1655.81 1658.47 That would be nice n not to have anything , yeah . 1658.13 1658.47 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1663.507 1664.164 1663.58 1664.0 Yeah yeah . 1664.0 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1668.967 1669.563 1668.99 1669.46 Yeah . 1669.46 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1669.04 1669.536 1669.06 1669.4 Right . 1669.4 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1671.765 1672.88 1671.82 1672.74 Yeah , yeah . 1672.16 1672.74 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1675.318 1676.394 1675.76 1676.394 My - IN1013 D MIO097 3 1678.137 1678.832 1678.24 1678.52 Mm-hmm . 1678.52 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1680.449 1681.94 1680.64 1681.86 Right . Exactly . 1681.38 1681.86 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1682.873 1697.071 1683.1 1697.03 But do you really really need it or like voiced unvoiced ? Yeah , but yeah . Yeah . But it's not really you need t you don't need to specify at each point it's voiced or yeah . 1687.94 1688.13 1691.03 1691.9 1697.03 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1685.174 1691.478 1685.174 1691.35 Well I don't know . Maybe if you we uh really want to improve the the quality , then we will need it , I don't know , still . 1686.83 1689.8 1690.74 1691.09 1691.35 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1695.456 1704.481 1695.66 1704.481 N not now . Yeah , uh well , I'm gonna t have a time next next month or in three weeks so I'll try to play some examples there for you and 1696.77 1697.1 1697.68 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1703.246 1710.763 1703.34 1710.43 Yeah . Well it'd be nice to it would be nice to really see what this what you're a actually trying to reconstruct here . 1703.72 1710.43 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1703.446 1704.111 1703.57 1703.77 Huh . 1703.77 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1711.174 1713.408 1711.26 1713.26 What we are trying to reconstr - IN1013 A MIE034 0 1712.419 1720.753 1712.53 1720.47 This carrier signal , what what it really looks l yeah . And you did say it looks like a frequency modulated cosine . 1713.51 1717.43 1720.47 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1715.026 1718.401 1715.13 1718.28 How does it look like or sure . 1718.28 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1719.841 1720.917 1719.87 1720.87 Yeah , more or less . 1720.28 1720.87 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1722.092 1722.848 1722.18 1722.71 Hmm . 1722.71 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1722.913 1731.438 1722.95 1731.3 It's kind of uh not frequency . Let's say amplitude modulation when you have ju just the carrier and that modulation signal , right . 1724.73 1730.84 1731.3 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1726.62 1745.17 1726.75 1745.09 Yeah . And then amplitude . But you're telling even frequency's also shifting , no ? Like your delay . Yeah . Yeah , yeah , yeah . Yeah . So then , yeah , then it's not exactly amplitude modulations or it's it's in between maybe . Yeah . S yeah . 1728.87 1731.17 1733.04 1733.17 1735.24 1735.46 1736.02 1736.33 1736.53 1737.13 1737.5 1737.69 1743.33 1744.16 1745.09 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1731.08 1731.97 1731.28 1731.71 Yeah . 1731.71 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1733.991 1738.244 1734.12 1738.244 It would have to be 'cause pitch shifts yeah . 1738.03 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1734.035 1737.062 1734.26 1736.97 Yeah , we yeah , yeah , yeah , exactly . 1734.7 1735.79 1736.04 1736.41 1736.97 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1739.733 1740.407 1739.85 1740.24 Yeah . 1740.24 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1739.787 1740.63 1739.88 1740.53 Yeah , yeah . 1740.31 1740.53 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1741.993 1771.034 1742.03 1770.98 It's in between , exactly . So it's not this and that . But still yeah . But anyway what also the other approach which is possible to use . The other is one to keep the phase like this one , like two spectrograms , one the phase and one the magnitude . And well I can again play it and it works on two kilo-bits per second . Quite what uh no , what uh he was doing he was using it for speech recognition , what I what I know , but for speech coding no no no , it was I don't know . 1742.91 1743.39 1744.63 1746.56 1750.09 1752.66 1754.16 1756.01 1760.39 1761.7 1766.35 1767.84 1769.71 1770.98 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1746.322 1747.422 1746.71 1747.26 So yeah . 1747.26 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1752.669 1753.201 1752.81 1753.11 Yeah . 1753.11 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1755.591 1756.099 1755.64 1756.01 Yeah . 1756.01 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1756.692 1757.44 1756.692 1756.692 . 1756.692 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1760.375 1764.0 1760.5 1763.85 That's what Marius did , no , like . But but he was keeping all the phase information . 1761.4 1761.54 1761.67 1763.85 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1766.994 1804.134 1767.13 1803.83 No , but even the his coded like he just he he didn't do anything , he just transferred it that way . He was aiming for he's not really kind of doing speech coding , but he want to do it on music . So he doesn't really care about the band-widths or he want to have the quality , no , like . Yeah , but even especially the audio series and the that that's what he was telling like . Yeah , at least even ten K_ bit . Twenty kilo-bits also is okay . So but he's uh he's not I think finished with all that thing . He's just transmitting all the phase and then but he's encoding the envelope , yeah . Yeah . 1767.25 1771.07 1772.78 1777.04 1778.47 1783.51 1783.62 1784.48 1784.68 1789.37 1789.54 1790.8 1793.25 1796.36 1801.9 1803.61 1803.83 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1772.662 1774.558 1772.76 1774.38 For speech coding you mean ? 1774.38 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1783.304 1786.693 1783.38 1786.5 I don't know . I don't know . M maybe . 1784.11 1785.2 1786.5 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1792.737 1794.021 1792.89 1793.92 Right . Yeah . 1793.49 1793.92 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1798.674 1833.58 1798.85 1833.47 Mm-hmm . Well for example this phase information right . Yeah , yeah . I think so . There are m more papers which are using this approach , like trying to encode the magnitude spectrum or spectrogram . Uh the phase or you just uh re can again the phase can be replaced by the noise , which is pretty good . So that's uh the benefit uh variable approach . So if you really don't have a band width , you just can replace it by noise and it works . Of course then it doesn't sound as the original because it's more whispered or whatever . But you can understand well . 1799.67 1803.42 1803.78 1804.05 1805.15 1807.65 1811.91 1816.76 1817.52 1820.73 1823.23 1826.71 1832.13 1833.47 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1807.877 1808.867 1807.98 1808.81 Yeah . Yeah . 1808.43 1808.81 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1810.489 1812.468 1810.65 1812.29 And then leaving the phase , yeah . 1811.83 1812.29 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1817.116 1817.59 1817.2 1817.37 Yeah . 1817.37 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1819.877 1820.384 1819.99 1820.33 Hmm . 1820.33 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1822.571 1823.153 1822.65 1823.02 Hmm . 1823.02 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1824.979 1825.661 1825.11 1825.54 Yeah . 1825.54 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1830.267 1830.899 1830.29 1830.73 Hmm . 1830.73 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1833.544 1834.209 1833.61 1834.11 Mm . 1834.11 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1835.178 1890.923 1835.3 1890.923 And for example uh if you mention this one approach with the that uh trajectory of the phase , of unwrap phase recre uh I also use because you can do it here when you get into uh this domain where you apply uh or you're trying to compute uh s power spectrum in in order t let's say that this kind of trajectory , it doesn't in fit the same frequency over time domain . But here you are trying to compute uh doing a to do linear prediction . So we are just doing F_F_T_ , right . Then applying uh power in order to get um to s to power domain , and then I_F_F_T_ , right . So you get the auto-correlation coefficients . So before you're applying uh power spectrum , you can again get the you have got a complex f freq frequency or complex spectrum , you can get the phase , right . And the phase look quite similar like this . So you might see it's is more less like a line . 1839.52 1854.05 1856.57 1861.13 1862.45 1863.94 1869.98 1871.53 1872.31 1875.38 1878.06 1883.57 1884.36 1885.09 1886.87 1890.79 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1840.543 1841.199 1840.71 1841.01 Yeah . 1841.01 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1850.336 1852.035 1850.79 1851.98 Yeah . Yeah . 1851.5 1851.98 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1861.211 1861.669 1861.29 1861.54 Yeah . 1861.54 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1863.046 1863.578 1863.12 1863.46 Mm-hmm . 1863.46 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1871.702 1872.334 1871.8 1872.334 Yeah , or 1872.03 IN1013 C MIO105 2 1872.326 1873.034 1872.37 1872.73 Mm-hmm . 1872.73 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1873.872 1875.469 1873.96 1875.469 Auto-correlation coefficient and - IN1013 B MIO078 1 1879.796 1882.49 1879.97 1882.41 Yeah , they again give the phase . Yeah , again give the phase . 1880.16 1881.36 1881.6 1882.41 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1884.569 1885.059 1884.68 1884.95 Hmm . 1884.95 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1884.956 1885.446 1884.99 1885.24 Yeah . 1885.24 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1888.67 1902.226 1888.82 1902.11 Yeah , it's like a yeah . And it it does start to get a little bit n non-linear towards the end . But normally that's that's when the components are not actually probably gonna be audible anyway in voiced speech , right . So yeah . 1888.99 1891.06 1895.0 1900.41 1900.83 1902.11 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1890.7 1891.557 1890.95 1891.46 Oh . 1891.46 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1893.066 1893.577 1893.18 1893.48 Right . 1893.48 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1895.654 1896.249 1895.73 1896.01 Yeah . 1896.01 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1899.356 1899.996 1899.44 1899.88 Hmm . 1899.88 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1900.883 1901.436 1900.98 1901.36 Right . 1901.36 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1901.93 1913.082 1902.04 1913.082 But this phase is different from your carrier , no ? Like yeah . Because you're just doing on uh your uh yeah . And also like yeah . And 1903.8 1903.93 1905.11 1908.84 1912.58 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1903.301 1927.316 1903.48 1927.1 Yeah , it's it is very different , yeah . Then you are doing in different domain . I think this is in frequency domain , this in time domain . Um it is quite it's quite sensible to any quantization , what I found . Really it looks like the lines . So you just say okay , let's p let's put the line there . But it doesn't work . Re well , you can understand . But you can here that there are many artifacts which right , exactly . 1903.85 1904.91 1905.48 1908.56 1909.77 1910.69 1914.76 1915.86 1917.21 1917.98 1919.96 1920.93 1921.36 1922.01 1926.61 1927.1 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1911.333 1912.306 1911.54 1912.2 Yeah . 1912.2 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1914.67 1915.394 1914.76 1915.02 Yeah . 1915.02 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1919.144 1919.703 1919.24 1919.62 Hmm . 1919.62 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1919.764 1920.313 1919.86 1920.13 Yeah . 1920.13 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1922.38 1923.178 1922.47 1923.04 Yeah , sure . C 1922.65 1923.01 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1923.954 1931.928 1924.45 1931.69 C 'cause any sort of error in that in that line is is transmitted , is realised in a net as a phase error , right . Yeah . 1928.71 1931.05 1931.3 1931.69 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1930.192 1950.42 1930.39 1950.25 Right , right . And the another problem is that uh it's not band width variable . So you cannot say that this part will be the just the noise , which you can do in here in this this other approach . So that's why I didn't play with that so m more because I found there are more uh disadvantages than the advantages , this approach . So that's why . 1930.91 1931.53 1934.58 1938.18 1940.6 1948.57 1949.11 1950.25 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1937.508 1938.065 1937.61 1937.96 Mm . 1937.96 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1943.716 1944.323 1943.78 1944.06 Okay . 1944.06 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1949.204 1949.794 1949.31 1949.72 Mm yeah . 1949.72 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1950.311 1951.131 1950.49 1950.87 Tricky , yeah . 1950.74 1950.87 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1950.599 1955.4 1950.73 1955.4 But even you can use as a can you use that phase directly ? Whereas the d yeah , this one is direct 1953.82 1954.54 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1953.546 1957.271 1953.65 1957.271 You mean this one ? Yeah , if you take just the original phase and the 1954.35 1954.8 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1956.655 1960.724 1956.85 1960.724 But this is phase of your d uh spectrum , no ? Like it's not in time domain . So 1958.9 1959.03 1960.38 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1959.519 1971.21 1959.64 1970.94 Right . Yeah , it's it's it's not a phase . Yeah , yeah , yeah . It's the phase no , you can again put the that envelope with this phase together because envelope is twe 1960.07 1960.27 1963.31 1963.52 1963.83 1964.4 1966.4 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1962.137 1966.154 1962.27 1966.154 Of your signal . It's not so then it's bit tricky . Like how 1963.03 1965.3 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1969.846 1974.543 1970.05 1974.543 Okay , but still you get only the the magnitude of your Hilbert envelope . You won't get the 1970.29 1973.54 IN1013 A MIE034 0 1971.818 1978.969 1971.92 1978.77 Yeah , yeah , yeah . Y y y you have s five slices like n across that way , I guess . 1972.01 1972.14 1972.4 1978.03 1978.77 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1973.764 1975.627 1973.87 1975.57 No no . You g no , you get the f 1974.17 1974.71 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1976.991 1979.848 1977.07 1979.74 Yeah , you get the complex complex spectrum with this . 1977.29 1979.74 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1979.6 1983.523 1979.6 1983.41 No , but you started with Hil Hilbert envelope , no ? Like magnitude of Hilbert envelope . 1980.1 1981.89 1982.03 1983.41 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1982.454 1986.205 1982.63 1986.205 No , no , I started with the D_C_T_ 1982.94 1983.18 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1985.088 1989.278 1985.11 1989.05 Magnitude of uh no , before D_C_T_ your d oh . 1986.49 1989.05 IN1013 D MIO097 3 1988.554 2026.284 1988.71 2026.16 No , after D_C_T_ you are trying this is so kind of again a real trajectory , right . And you're trying to first find that Hilbert envelope . So uh let's well so this is a speech . No , but here what I want to say is really that y it's not part of Hilbert envelope , it's part of the D_C_T_ signal . So it's not it's enough if you have just this phase and f and the Hilbert envelope , you can put it together . You don't need the carrier . I mean this is kind of a carrier signal but in different domain represented . 1988.89 1993.65 1994.31 1997.85 2004.57 2004.74 2009.17 2012.05 2017.92 2020.34 2021.45 2026.16 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1994.195 1994.744 1994.32 1994.63 Yeah . 1994.63 IN1013 B MIO078 1 1998.868 2005.163 1998.96 2005.163 Ah , ok so input to the D_C_T_ is the speech or like your yeah , okay . Just you're starting with 1999.33 2003.11 2003.74 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2003.408 2003.99 2003.47 2003.82 Yeah . 2003.82 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2010.08 2011.594 2010.24 2011.55 Ah . Ah . Ok ok ok 2010.71 2011.05 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2012.74 2013.932 2012.81 2013.932 Yeah , maybe the then 2013.02 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2017.914 2018.413 2017.94 2018.24 Yeah . 2018.24 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2019.668 2020.466 2019.71 2020.29 Ah okay . 2020.29 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2026.153 2028.487 2026.25 2028.41 Yeah , it's in frequency domain , no . 2026.98 2028.13 2028.41 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2027.856 2028.775 2027.95 2028.69 Right , right . 2028.44 2028.69 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2030.026 2030.509 2030.1 2030.39 Hmm . 2030.39 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2033.023 2042.765 2033.14 2042.44 So I what I think is that we already will need to apply s kind of analysis by synthesis approach mm uh in order to get something . 2042.44 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2041.319 2068.248 2041.44 2068.248 Yeah , that makes sense 'cause it's a time domain sort of approach . Um and I mean uh and and in in fact I mean it's what you're doing is so different to most approaches to speech coding that it doesn't matter that we don't know much about or haven't had much i it's I mean it's quite different to a lot of the traditional sort uh so uh voi um you know , source filter type approaches or or whatever , yeah . So 2042.04 2045.52 2063.53 2066.93 2067.51 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2044.153 2044.738 2044.22 2044.68 Right . 2044.68 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2046.618 2047.182 2046.71 2046.98 What I - IN1013 D MIO097 3 2056.41 2059.11 2056.48 2058.97 No . You mean ye 2057.64 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2061.782 2062.513 2061.89 2062.31 Right . 2062.31 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2065.647 2067.235 2065.72 2066.93 Yeah , definitely it's d 2066.15 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2066.348 2076.712 2066.61 2076.712 Right , right . Yes , that's true . But I mean that's maybe even the advantage here because you it's not speech d based , which means we are not 2066.9 2067.26 2067.52 2068.83 2075.11 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2068.704 2070.329 2068.83 2070.329 But now I think people - IN1013 A MIE034 0 2075.976 2079.851 2076.11 2079.69 It's just a matter of minimum distortion time . Yeah . 2079.26 2079.69 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2076.944 2077.684 2077.05 2077.41 Yeah . 2077.41 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2078.268 2095.656 2078.47 2095.55 Right . So you can when I tried and comparing with L_P_C_ ten on a uh twice bigger or higher bit rate , this work works better , it seems to me . Just for unvoiced speech . O I'm not mentioning uh voiceless because that's unvoiced , which means whispered . 2079.04 2086.39 2088.08 2088.91 2090.2 2094.24 2095.55 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2090.29 2090.905 2090.61 2090.81 Sure . 2090.81 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2092.427 2101.101 2092.54 2100.53 Unvoiced unvoiced speech is very difficult to b sort of judge on quality compared to voiced , I think . 2100.0 2100.53 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2098.234 2104.148 2098.35 2104.148 Uh yeah , but uh when you hear and try to use some examples with the music for example 2099.68 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2102.833 2109.726 2102.94 2109.69 Plosives . Yeah , plosives are very important though , I guess . So maybe it does a better job of plosives . 2104.15 2104.37 2106.06 2107.44 2109.69 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2105.702 2106.417 2105.81 2106.2 Yeah . 2106.2 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2106.792 2107.741 2106.84 2107.61 Right , yeah . 2107.37 2107.61 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2109.152 2111.073 2109.29 2110.99 Mm-hmm . That's true , yeah . 2110.28 2110.76 2110.99 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2112.238 2120.744 2112.35 2120.744 Uh but anyway , it seemed to me pretty good . I mean that there might be . that's true , yeah . 2113.43 2114.56 2117.75 2118.23 2120.63 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2114.432 2120.586 2114.64 2120.586 Okay . It'd be nice if we had some demos here . Well , I suppose have to wait to your I guess . 2115.65 2117.94 2118.18 2120.53 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2121.0 2122.563 2121.09 2122.563 So when is your turn ? Uh 2122.21 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2122.452 2125.535 2122.57 2125.5 Uh it should be uh thirteenth December I think . 2125.5 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2123.902 2131.312 2124.02 2130.71 Oh . Oh okay . I mean just before . Oh you . . 2124.83 2125.47 2129.13 2130.71 2130.71 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2125.192 2136.013 2125.27 2136.013 Oh it's a little wa oh bugger . I won't be , yeah . No . You'll practice it before then , won't you ? 2128.12 2128.83 2129.77 2131.63 2132.74 2135.83 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2127.146 2144.652 2127.24 2144.55 I just uh you won't be here . Uh okay . No , I just swapped it with uh Mike Perrot I think 'cause h he is not going to be here this time . And I was supposed to have it in uh in January . So whatever . 2131.58 2134.77 2134.86 2140.57 2143.33 2144.55 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2139.38 2141.301 2139.42 2141.17 Yeah , he's going to Oz . Yep . 2139.72 2140.69 2141.17 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2146.731 2155.571 2146.85 2155.571 Anyway . So But anyway , I I wanted to hear something maybe from you what you are doing f with speech coding because you were you mentioned that 2147.09 2149.98 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2154.856 2163.095 2155.38 2162.78 I did , yeah . But we're d we're doing a more traditional s s frequency slices rather than temporal based stuff . 2155.74 2156.19 2162.78 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2159.277 2159.997 2159.39 2159.997 By - IN1013 D MIO097 3 2162.388 2166.105 2162.51 2166.0 But it was based on like you were using kind of recognizer there , right ? 2165.73 2166.0 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2165.548 2191.13 2165.73 2191.04 Yeah . Well that's w that was one of the approaches , sure . Yep . And the other approach was was this H_M_M_ based stuff , which is which is basically just a parameterization of the , you know , the the the the um the source filter type parameters , and then and then learning the , you know , training like a h speech recognition system . But that's not terribly that's got no relationship to this . I it's yeah . 2166.47 2167.9 2168.44 2168.69 2172.17 2176.04 2176.32 2180.42 2182.37 2182.62 2185.53 2189.77 2191.04 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2168.532 2169.48 2168.65 2169.21 Low bit rate . 2169.21 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2179.745 2180.33 2179.86 2180.17 Uh-huh . 2180.17 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2182.835 2184.62 2182.99 2184.44 Right . Right . 2184.24 2184.44 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2189.355 2194.951 2189.47 2194.951 Yeah , it's I'm I mean yeah , it's different . But uh it's speech coding at least . 2189.68 2190.67 2191.19 2194.69 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2192.834 2218.65 2192.97 2218.57 Yeah , sure . Speech coding . I I read some of the other techniques . Um little standards . But um I mean I think I think you're on the right track with the analysis by synthesis but that doesn't tell you how what sort of bit rates you're going to achieve or um and because you have to do it separately for each um band , it would be the I imagine that's the tricky part . 2193.18 2193.4 2194.1 2197.34 2198.71 2215.44 2218.57 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2193.129 2195.033 2193.22 2195.033 Yes . 2194.97 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2204.952 2205.891 2205.16 2205.79 I think so . 2205.79 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2208.193 2209.632 2208.33 2209.43 Right . Yeah , sure . 2208.71 2208.97 2209.43 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2212.439 2213.112 2212.52 2213.0 Yeah . 2213.0 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2213.4 2215.692 2213.4 2215.55 Band you mean ? Right . 2215.18 2215.55 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2219.972 2235.167 2220.04 2235.167 Um because it would be varying quite rapidly , wouldn't it , your um your uh code book . Like w within each um when you go along the the the b the one second sort of segment of the band , you 2222.0 2222.42 2226.48 2234.69 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2229.602 2230.614 2229.73 2230.614 With different - IN1013 D MIO097 3 2233.985 2255.492 2234.11 2255.492 I don't know . But maybe what we can already do is uh to decrease this uh this distance . We can do a Hilbert envelope approximation with one second . But then we can split that signal into , I don't know , ten ten uh segments with the one hundred milliseconds or even less , and we can apply some other technique for that , you know . Still 2234.79 2239.49 2243.58 2245.69 2246.68 2251.42 2253.43 2254.96 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2243.279 2243.903 2243.36 2243.76 Hmm . 2243.76 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2244.282 2244.729 2244.56 2244.68 Hmm . 2244.68 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2248.736 2249.434 2248.83 2249.35 Yeah , yeah . 2249.17 2249.35 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2253.319 2276.815 2253.42 2276.815 Yeah . Well , I mean yeah . First you've gotta choose your approach and not worry about the band-width , and then start thinking about how to given 'cause I mean I guess especially 'cause this is a this is a more of a commercial based project , you've g c you've you've gotta i match the quality before you start worrying about other things , right . I mean d d do they I mean what what what sort of uh 2253.94 2254.17 2254.7 2258.14 2266.97 2272.35 2273.39 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2257.776 2259.348 2257.8 2259.14 Right . Exactly , exactly . 2258.2 2258.74 2259.14 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2258.425 2258.891 2258.54 2258.74 Hmm . 2258.74 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2261.283 2261.878 2261.36 2261.8 Yeah . 2261.8 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2274.085 2303.929 2274.085 2303.929 Well , th more less they don't care what's uh what will be the quality of the of the or the bit rate , they just want to get something new , you know . So if you get the v very uh low bit rate with a reasonable quality or really high bit rate , which is c again different , but with uh high quality , uh they would be happy with the both . So You know , on one side it's pretty good but on the other you don't know which way you should go 'cause there are many of them . And uh 2276.01 2281.56 2283.01 2284.35 2291.1 2292.11 2293.56 2295.43 2297.39 2302.91 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2283.623 2287.723 2283.75 2287.723 Uh-huh , okay . Well that makes things uh 2285.0 2286.01 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2284.361 2287.689 2284.361 2287.53 Oh okay . Yeah . 2287.11 2287.53 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2290.907 2291.439 2290.96 2291.439 With - IN1013 B MIO078 1 2291.118 2291.733 2291.15 2291.59 Yeah . 2291.59 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2293.518 2298.049 2293.57 2298.049 They're happy . Okay . Cool . 2295.17 2296.73 2297.73 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2293.546 2299.782 2293.98 2299.782 Yeah yeah . Yeah , you know , the the 2296.77 2297.04 2297.26 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2300.728 2309.658 2300.92 2309.52 Yeah . Sure , sure . And at the moment you're at sort of a point where maybe you have to make that choice a little bit . Yeah . Mm-hmm . 2301.2 2301.5 2303.23 2307.65 2309.04 2309.52 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2307.018 2308.104 2307.17 2307.87 Right , right . 2307.61 2307.87 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2307.557 2308.185 2307.68 2308.02 Yeah . 2308.02 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2311.197 2315.148 2311.3 2315.148 Okay . Well I I will 2313.12 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2313.52 2314.027 2313.61 2313.85 Hmm . 2313.85 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2316.576 2324.888 2316.68 2324.888 W uh do you want to mention your speech coding experiments ? So you are saying that you're doing something i in India with uh 2321.59 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2316.799 2317.572 2316.9 2317.33 Yeah . 2317.33 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2319.476 2322.104 2319.98 2321.96 Uh . No no no , yeah . 2320.5 2321.63 2321.96 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2324.527 2328.751 2324.62 2328.34 Yeah . But it's mostly like this is uh s CELP and these thing . 2324.96 2328.34 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2327.333 2332.675 2327.333 2332.61 So you know the sub mm like um more details ? 2332.61 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2330.157 2355.149 2330.31 2355.04 No , I was t uh doing some uh like writing some code for testing and these things where I'm making some t standards for that . So so th th there are like li the thing , these standards , how it works is like they give all the pseudo code kind of thing and then they put severe test conditions . So you have to pass those test conditions . Like then j you can say okay , we implemented D_ seventy eight or D_ se 2330.48 2338.39 2341.3 2341.94 2348.33 2350.42 2352.77 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2337.259 2339.672 2337.41 2339.672 Yeah . Uh which is not 2338.17 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2346.1 2346.598 2346.17 2346.55 Yeah . 2346.55 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2350.83 2352.375 2350.91 2352.22 Oh yeah . Okay . 2351.7 2352.22 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2354.156 2371.684 2354.34 2371.684 Yeah . Al although the standards , depending on what standard you're dealing with , sometimes it can be quite ambiguous , right . I mean all the M_ PEG standards are basically this is the container , we don't care how you do it , right , but it's gotta fit inside this this sort of this sort of format . 2354.67 2356.14 2357.87 2360.42 2360.61 2364.17 2365.25 2365.51 2371.09 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2359.486 2365.987 2359.62 2365.88 Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . 2360.84 2361.05 2362.17 2363.12 2364.16 2365.88 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2366.965 2370.665 2367.07 2370.665 Right , right . 2367.73 2370.4 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2367.225 2397.944 2367.35 2397.84 Yeah . So that's why it's really even the t standards they give the test signals also . You are t you can't really do it on whatever database you have . So so you are to use the uh uh yeah . Uh it yeah , it's more like uh they define . So I did for some even also . They're also they define all this the speech condition . Everything they define . So you need to follow all those . Yes , this industry is again different like , yeah . 2368.69 2373.6 2376.66 2381.46 2382.41 2384.33 2386.75 2390.35 2391.3 2394.19 2394.69 2397.66 2397.84 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2376.441 2383.277 2376.6 2383.277 Okay . And then you have the v and then you have to do M_O_S_ um testing and 2377.2 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2391.755 2392.412 2391.86 2392.26 Okay . 2392.26 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2392.157 2394.026 2392.41 2393.87 Right . I see . 2393.46 2393.87 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2397.913 2424.106 2398.05 2424.106 Yeah , but it's quite interesting with the even with th uh s current speech coding uh technologies . We are they are still trying to use k zap or those R_P_ based approaches . There is nothing new , more or less . And if I when I was uh listening the uh the talk of uh Milan Jelinek , uh he's the Czech guy , but he lives in uh in Canada . I don't know the name of the university . But they they have uh the pattern I think for CELP even . Or 2398.23 2403.91 2408.73 2409.59 2410.43 2415.98 2417.11 2418.83 2420.31 2423.75 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2407.182 2411.174 2407.3 2411.06 Yeah , I think there isn't only se most yeah . 2407.42 2411.06 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2409.959 2411.115 2410.14 2411.115 Well , ho it 2410.36 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2424.247 2432.363 2424.37 2432.363 Ah . CELP is from uh A_T_ and T_ , no ? Like A_T_ and yeah , yeah . It the all this L_P_C_ stuff is 2425.31 2427.36 2428.2 2429.94 2430.16 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2424.479 2425.236 2424.58 2425.09 Okay . 2425.09 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2427.001 2469.208 2427.001 2468.96 Um I don't know how it is exactly but they got very very famous for this for that CELP . What they did exactly I don't know , if something different a little bit or not , or they just keep those patterns or I don't know how it is exactly . Maybe Hynek will know much more . But uh when I heard those that presentation , they didn't do so much new . I mean uh it was last year and uh I think Hynek , he was asking wh so what's new that you are so famous with that and they n they said okay , we we know exactly how to do that . I mean you know , not to make any errors like in because everybody knows how to do that . But uh it's not so easy to implement it , right . So uh there is nothing so much new really like . 2434.45 2435.8 2437.8 2441.62 2442.99 2446.54 2447.81 2450.51 2455.19 2457.61 2458.99 2463.17 2465.26 2465.5 2468.96 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2434.309 2434.924 2434.36 2434.85 Yeah . 2434.85 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2437.33 2438.328 2437.5 2438.19 Ah , ok 2437.87 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2439.934 2443.792 2439.96 2443.67 Ah , okay . Yeah . Yeah . 2440.06 2441.96 2443.3 2443.67 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2440.509 2441.254 2441.17 2441.22 Mm . 2441.22 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2442.899 2444.832 2442.99 2444.76 Yeah , yeah . Well , I th 2443.3 2444.37 2444.6 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2447.958 2448.981 2448.07 2448.85 No , no , no . 2448.29 2448.41 2448.85 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2458.544 2459.758 2458.81 2459.758 Yeah . The 2459.22 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2464.421 2466.507 2464.92 2466.45 Uh no , no , no . Yep . 2465.51 2465.66 2466.09 2466.45 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2468.482 2470.662 2468.62 2470.49 Yeah , that's the main thing even . Yeah . 2468.8 2470.33 2470.49 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2468.981 2505.791 2469.12 2505.74 Well the the what's what's new is in the transmission medium . Like you know , new like higher band width transmission or uh or like packet packetized based transmission . And then all th that sort of thing . The where th where they're they're not so much looking at the algorithm , but so much as how to incorporate the algorithm within a new transi mission sort of s medium . Basically s like I mean if you d if you see a lot of papers on like um on uh voice over I_P_ or whatever , the the publications are sort of like um how do we deal with packet loss , or or how was it affected by packet loss and and and things like that . 2472.39 2473.62 2480.53 2482.89 2485.49 2491.21 2496.89 2501.84 2505.74 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2472.965 2473.591 2473.1 2473.36 Yeah . 2473.36 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2475.69 2476.139 2475.8 2476.1 Right . 2476.1 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2480.173 2481.137 2480.43 2480.68 Yeah . 2480.68 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2481.578 2482.392 2481.69 2482.27 Right . 2482.27 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2485.618 2486.412 2485.72 2486.14 Exactly . 2486.14 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2488.297 2488.887 2488.51 2488.75 Yeah . 2488.75 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2490.367 2491.872 2490.45 2491.66 Yeah , like I . 2491.06 2491.66 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2495.051 2499.134 2495.14 2498.96 Voice over I_P_ or yeah . Uh yeah . Yeah . 2497.24 2498.61 2498.96 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2498.758 2499.416 2498.91 2499.23 Right . 2499.23 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2502.546 2521.246 2502.82 2521.246 Right , ri right , exactly , exactly . But then they are s still using like error signal , which is going to be approximated by code book , right ? And a linear prediction , which is use which is approximating just the spectrum of for for and everything that that's that's all . So still 2503.08 2503.5 2504.08 2504.93 2507.03 2509.8 2511.09 2512.5 2518.89 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2510.323 2511.171 2510.42 2510.92 Yeah , sure . 2510.68 2510.92 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2512.835 2513.45 2512.98 2513.32 Yeah . 2513.32 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2515.78 2516.195 2515.85 2516.1 Yeah . 2516.1 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2519.147 2538.479 2519.28 2538.479 Yeah . And again , lot of this stuff like whe even when I was working mostly that company was developing for voice over I_P_ . So they're to put all these things on again D_S_P_s . And also it's mostly like how to how many L_P_C_s are yeah , how many co yeah , it's optimation and then it's even 2520.26 2520.64 2526.55 2530.04 2534.77 2535.84 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2530.484 2531.611 2530.61 2531.51 Right . Yeah , yeah . 2530.98 2531.32 2531.51 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2532.334 2543.909 2532.59 2543.909 And optimization of the code and all that sorta stuff . Yeah . But even that's less of a big deal now , right , because all the little um I_ s yeah . 2536.04 2537.62 2539.15 2539.37 2543.44 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2539.767 2551.199 2539.96 2551.15 Yeah . Again , now now now even they're also becoming yeah . Even the memories are not really yeah . Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . 2540.35 2540.63 2544.55 2548.98 2550.14 2550.33 2551.15 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2541.987 2544.757 2542.14 2544.757 Right . 2544.58 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2546.124 2551.789 2546.21 2551.789 Not really . You could trow Matlab on a mobile phone these days . Well , maybe not , but 2546.81 2550.35 2550.46 2550.86 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2552.937 2560.569 2552.99 2560.569 So even I think uh then you can have whatever band-width is . It's short really . 2558.74 2560.5 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2558.098 2558.896 2558.3 2558.76 Yeah . 2558.76 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2562.028 2567.193 2562.13 2567.193 Well , I hope that we still have a a lot of time for that because uh 2562.4 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2565.768 2577.419 2565.95 2577.35 But no , I think uh but still then that's what maybe people are going toward sign sort of modelling , no . Like I was before when the bandwidth conditions were really stringent then they were using all the p L_P_C_ based source filter . 2566.22 2569.99 2570.11 2577.35 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2571.41 2574.385 2571.68 2574.24 I think yeah , it's pretty interesting , yeah . 2572.29 2573.99 2574.24 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2574.418 2575.208 2574.44 2575.06 Y yeah . 2575.06 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2576.264 2586.846 2576.35 2586.66 For example when I was uh you know , harmonic voice modelling , that H_M_M_ system which is using used for synthesis more less . It's pretty interesting . I mean it it works it works well . 2577.92 2579.21 2583.79 2584.64 2586.66 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2581.378 2583.723 2581.44 2583.65 Yeah , which David did , yeah . 2581.75 2583.07 2583.65 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2583.015 2583.589 2583.18 2583.38 Yeah . 2583.38 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2584.803 2590.615 2584.92 2590.44 Yeah . Yeah , if you want you can look at his code and . But only th yeah , yeah . 2585.66 2585.97 2588.3 2589.85 2590.44 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2584.954 2586.16 2585.09 2585.91 It's good , yeah . 2585.65 2585.91 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2587.91 2604.155 2588.02 2603.99 Yeah , we've got all his code implemented . So uh It wasn't perfect . There was little bit of bugs with some of the matching . But it was pretty hard to tell that it was m not not perfect unless you heard the samples sort of next to one another . So that's not too bad . 2588.22 2589.44 2591.03 2593.73 2602.9 2603.99 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2589.994 2590.61 2590.09 2590.44 Right . 2590.44 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2595.534 2596.13 2595.67 2596.09 Yeah . 2596.09 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2600.546 2601.17 2600.65 2600.99 Yeah . 2600.99 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2604.168 2617.066 2604.3 2617.01 But definitely it's better than co coded speech , no ? Different . Yeah , it's really but uh how much you can get the compress these like what you're telling is you can do all these tricks like . Yeah , these yeah . 2606.19 2606.3 2606.8 2606.98 2614.53 2614.92 2617.01 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2604.17 2604.984 2604.41 2604.8 Right . 2604.8 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2606.408 2608.652 2606.59 2608.652 Oh , sure . . And I mean it 2606.81 2607.78 2607.78 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2607.782 2609.306 2608.09 2609.16 Yeah , yeah , it is . 2608.21 2608.66 2609.16 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2611.142 2611.815 2611.25 2611.71 Well th - IN1013 A MIE034 0 2614.531 2634.749 2614.75 2634.749 The only trick is the phase . And we've got a student starting in January who's gonna start working on on how to actually efficiently parameterize the um the H_M_M_ yeah , yeah . And I think I think we've got a number of ideas for the the spectrum . That's easily enough handled just using standard techniques . But the 2616.52 2626.33 2627.1 2630.46 2632.93 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2623.882 2626.45 2624.05 2626.26 You mean uh in sinusoidal uh modelling ? 2626.26 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2625.757 2626.655 2625.91 2626.54 In yeah . 2626.54 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2631.281 2651.309 2631.46 2651.309 Yeah . And but anyway , do you know exactly how it is done when you really have those M_F_C_C_ coefficients , which means magnitude spectrum , and then you are trying to reconstruct the speech ? Without a phase . Because I I tried you know those th those papers . But s I'm little confused about it . I don't know how it works . But 2633.13 2633.95 2637.88 2639.53 2642.98 2644.94 2648.35 2650.03 2650.96 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2641.872 2646.464 2642.0 2646.464 Without phase ? I've got no idea . Uh you reviewed a paper on a 2643.66 2644.81 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2644.701 2661.558 2644.97 2661.41 Well yeah , I read uh I reviewed one paper like yeah , the that's that's from no . Yeah , maybe you can look at dates from uh you know east of uh east uh yeah , East Anglia . Yeah . Uh this uh e east University of East Anglia , Ben Milner . 2645.51 2648.19 2650.45 2650.65 2654.87 2656.05 2657.19 2660.71 2661.41 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2652.809 2655.437 2652.97 2655.4 Uh Steven Cox , isn't it ? Yeah . 2653.79 2654.97 2655.4 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2655.866 2656.472 2655.94 2656.34 Which one ? 2656.34 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2658.252 2667.598 2658.33 2667.598 University of East Anglia . It's near c sort of it's it's near the sorta Cambridge side of England , I guess . 2660.7 2666.21 2666.87 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2665.89 2682.759 2666.0 2682.53 Yeah . I yeah , it's yeah , I can forward you that . They're doing lot of tricks . They're like they're again training Gaussian mixtures for different frequencies and then but they can they're following the yeah . Yeah . Yeah . 2667.16 2668.25 2668.72 2670.5 2671.63 2681.78 2682.21 2682.53 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2670.418 2671.712 2670.52 2671.63 Yeah , that would be nice . 2670.9 2671.63 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2674.516 2675.236 2674.6 2675.17 Oh . 2675.17 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2677.249 2680.288 2677.33 2680.288 You know , m but there are some algorithms which were quite uh 2677.53 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2679.941 2687.156 2680.09 2687.156 No the much more mathematical , I think . Yeah , just basically doing a search through or or stuff stuff like that , don't they ? Or 2681.73 2682.21 2682.49 2686.14 2686.57 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2681.695 2683.259 2681.8 2683.16 Yeah , yeah , yeah . Yeah . 2682.05 2682.22 2682.76 2683.16 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2687.01 2699.986 2687.2 2699.82 No no , the those things are again based on L_P_C_ , no ? Like mainly like yeah . Whereas like the pitch estimation in in the X_ waves or these things , they're all dynamic programming based on again L_P_C_ analysis . 2687.66 2689.59 2689.75 2691.74 2696.19 2699.82 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2689.941 2692.88 2690.12 2692.66 Uh it seems to me , yeah , something like that . Like try 2690.78 2691.01 2691.77 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2695.882 2716.164 2695.95 2716.164 You know what you can do um maybe . What you can do is uh take just the minimum phase of which you can get from a linear prediction , right ? You know what I mean , minimum phase signal . And it sounds quite uh reasonably the two . But of course they are li it's not original at all . So I don't know how they do that exactly . No , I've no idea . 2699.71 2704.25 2704.55 2705.25 2706.2 2709.32 2712.58 2715.06 2715.37 2715.94 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2698.698 2699.305 2698.78 2699.16 Yeah . 2699.16 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2704.454 2707.208 2704.54 2707.0 Yeah . And then construct that . 2706.01 2707.0 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2706.406 2706.971 2706.51 2706.87 Yeah . 2706.87 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2713.105 2727.537 2714.8 2727.537 Huh . Yeah , again like uh no , the problem is different for everybody . Like these guys , what they're doing for distributor speech recognition mainly , this uh so . Uh yeah , M_F_C_C_s . So 2716.35 2716.54 2717.61 2719.38 2720.64 2724.01 2725.8 2726.07 2726.93 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2714.932 2715.514 2715.03 2715.33 No . 2715.33 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2723.614 2736.078 2723.68 2736.078 Yeah , yeah . Sure . Where you've only got the M_F_C_C_s . But th I think I think the I think it was to was it to do with Aurora or something ? The Okay . I was 2723.92 2724.23 2724.74 2726.35 2730.57 2735.41 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2723.695 2724.906 2723.86 2724.75 Right . True , right . 2724.21 2724.44 2724.75 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2730.345 2738.829 2730.5 2738.67 No , it's E_T_S_A_ or something . European Standard yeah Hynek really n yeah , even it's h kind of Aurora framework . So yeah . 2730.57 2731.97 2735.6 2737.52 2738.67 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2733.021 2736.066 2733.1 2735.91 For n for Aurora we didn't do anything with that . 2735.91 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2737.791 2738.648 2737.92 2738.39 Okay . 2738.39 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2737.772 2742.921 2737.95 2742.86 Yeah , but we didn't do any speech recon re reconstruction . Yeah . Yeah , yeah , sure . 2738.19 2741.72 2742.03 2742.27 2742.49 2742.86 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2740.251 2742.909 2740.35 2742.909 No , but now it's bit . Yeah , now they're 2740.46 2742.02 2742.21 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2742.22 2774.605 2742.41 2774.605 Yeah , but it w it was for say um say you've got someone who has you know , they wanna dispute that this is what they actually said by the recognition . And the recognition network was wrong and you owe me money or whatever . Um and then they can say well we've we've reconstructed your speech from the speech recogni input to the speech recognizer . Hey voila it sounds like you uh Uh I mean obviously there's a lot more to it than that . There's a lot of sort of , well , does the quality stand up to legal sort of requirements or whatever . But um 2742.5 2747.28 2752.85 2756.39 2763.2 2767.96 2768.96 2769.73 2772.9 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2751.077 2751.652 2751.18 2751.51 Right . 2751.51 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2759.609 2762.602 2759.7 2762.44 And then yeah , M_F_C_ s 2761.8 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2768.949 2769.46 2769.07 2769.34 Right . 2769.34 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2770.775 2772.352 2770.87 2772.23 Right . Right . 2771.87 2772.23 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2773.813 2780.518 2773.95 2780.518 But even at distant point they're planning to use for j uh standard D_S_M_ or D_S_ it's not ? Or 2779.9 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2780.143 2799.925 2780.36 2799.925 Oh no , that there's a separate set of standards I think for speech recognition . Y yeah , yeah , yeah . Yep . Which uh I think requires , you know , that states the un the information they can send is this . So I don't know whether you tack on any extra phase information or whatever . You have to deal with what you're given . So 2780.64 2784.06 2785.35 2785.95 2786.5 2787.78 2790.06 2790.32 2793.38 2797.6 2798.86 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2781.874 2787.006 2782.02 2787.006 Yeah . E_ uh E_T_S_A_I_ , yeah . European , yeah , commission . So 2782.76 2785.08 2785.33 2785.93 2786.28 2786.75 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2789.348 2791.557 2789.56 2791.33 M yeah . Yeah . 2791.18 2791.33 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2794.535 2803.948 2794.73 2803.71 Yeah . Yeah . Yeah , i yeah , all these standards are really okay . 2797.9 2798.93 2799.19 2800.55 2803.71 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2804.107 2813.034 2804.19 2813.034 Yeah . I don't know . I I it would be interesting . You I mean maybe that's the best approach to look at to begin with is just pretend all you have got is 2804.59 2805.42 2807.28 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2812.823 2817.963 2812.91 2817.91 You mean with this phase uh sure . Yeah . 2817.45 2817.91 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2814.354 2815.305 2814.5 2815.13 Yeah . 2815.13 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2817.058 2822.842 2817.15 2822.74 Um because you can also interpolate the pitch information from the the spectrum as well . 2822.74 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2820.963 2822.31 2821.09 2822.31 Yeah . But 2821.84 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2823.474 2828.107 2823.63 2827.64 Yeah , they do some kind of reconstruction of speech . Uh yeah . 2823.87 2827.3 2827.64 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2824.642 2825.456 2824.78 2825.38 They do that . 2825.38 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2826.496 2827.044 2826.61 2826.9 Yeah . 2826.9 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2826.924 2833.354 2827.04 2833.24 Yeah . So I mean maybe try to see how good you can go without transmitting any of that information . 2827.5 2833.24 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2831.637 2834.607 2831.71 2834.57 Right . That's true , yeah . 2833.23 2833.92 2834.57 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2833.221 2835.455 2833.38 2835.31 But the quality again problem , no like ? 2835.14 2835.31 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2835.078 2838.625 2835.32 2838.52 The pitch was really good , I thought . I th didn't think you could really tell . 2836.25 2836.78 2838.52 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2837.488 2851.927 2837.7 2851.927 No no . The the eu again , European standard , what this give us , they give the M_F_C_C_s and they give the pitch . Then you are to construct the thing . But if have M_F_C_C_s then like again you have to get the high order M_F_C_C_s and then yeah , then you're have to 2837.93 2839.02 2839.94 2841.03 2843.92 2845.7 2851.05 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2843.315 2843.855 2843.48 2843.76 Yeah . 2843.76 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2844.823 2845.788 2844.823 2845.65 Yeah . 2845.65 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2850.418 2862.11 2850.52 2861.98 Yeah , but but the thing is if it's Mel scaled , if you have a Mel scale , you get quite fine reconstruction of the spectrum at the lower frequencies it which is what you need for reconstruction of the pitch anyway . 2850.65 2853.04 2854.13 2861.98 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2859.787 2860.51 2859.87 2860.25 Yeah . 2860.25 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2862.407 2863.603 2862.49 2863.46 Right . Yeah . 2863.23 2863.46 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2864.833 2865.764 2864.95 2865.764 Yeah . So 2865.4 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2865.161 2882.874 2865.33 2882.83 So I mean if you wanted to transmit with fewer bands , you'd maybe still keep the lower bands or or maybe you could still transmit the pitch . The pitch isn't that big a deal . But it'd be nice if you didn't because then I mean that's well , I mean it's worth giving it a go and then men maybe seeing wh what information you can add to the data stream to improve performance . 2867.59 2871.81 2873.03 2876.0 2882.83 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2869.612 2870.227 2869.66 2870.13 Yeah . 2870.13 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2873.197 2874.45 2873.29 2874.4 Yep . Yep . 2874.08 2874.4 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2881.616 2884.68 2881.65 2884.54 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Sure , yeah . 2882.46 2883.89 2884.3 2884.54 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2884.182 2884.741 2884.25 2884.741 Um - IN1013 A MIE034 0 2886.252 2887.99 2886.44 2887.99 I don't know . 2887.93 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2888.009 2888.607 2888.09 2888.47 Yeah . 2888.47 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2888.034 2889.136 2888.11 2888.5 Okay . 2888.5 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2890.892 2895.335 2891.01 2895.335 That that'd be cool . So get coding . 2893.84 2894.88 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2893.408 2895.684 2893.408 2895.684 So how about you ? 2895.38 IN1013 C MIO105 2 2894.601 2920.939 2895.04 2920.9 I've never done any coding in my life . So I just have one curiosity . So this is coding then s you code the speech , then you're also supposed to transmit the speech , right ? Th let's say in G_S_M_ or something else . I remember when I was doing some image processing , there were techniques for compressing and then coding . So adding channel information on the image at the same time in order to save sound bits . 2897.04 2900.75 2903.18 2905.18 2905.48 2909.03 2911.71 2915.64 2920.9 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2905.833 2906.386 2905.9 2906.25 Yeah . 2906.25 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2908.65 2909.033 2908.72 2908.98 Yeah . 2908.98 IN1013 C MIO105 2 2922.29 2922.976 2922.32 2922.93 You see what I mean ? 2922.93 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2922.244 2924.812 2922.32 2924.73 You mean like channel and source coding together ? 2924.73 IN1013 C MIO105 2 2924.528 2925.113 2924.57 2925.04 Exactly . 2925.04 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2926.441 2927.182 2926.57 2927.09 Or no . 2927.09 IN1013 C MIO105 2 2927.469 2933.142 2927.55 2933.05 I d was just wondering if there's some s someone was doing it with speech as well . 2933.05 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2933.05 2945.864 2933.19 2945.81 Well I can imagine kind of like J_ PEG operations , which might be more less like it's source coding and then we also channel coding because we just smooth the or just I don't know . I don't know . 2936.33 2945.15 2945.81 IN1013 C MIO105 2 2942.72 2959.085 2942.89 2958.92 Well actually , when you compress yeah , all like first you compress the signal , right ? And then you al you add com some complexity to the signal in order to recover the error . So I was wondering if by any chance there was something like this in speech with the speech . You don't know ? Okay . 2943.38 2944.42 2946.66 2947.36 2952.95 2957.85 2958.5 2958.92 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2949.299 2952.546 2949.45 2952.44 Right . Right . Right . R right , right . 2949.94 2950.48 2951.49 2952.16 2952.44 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2957.088 2957.829 2957.088 2957.7 I don't know . 2957.7 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2957.959 2958.749 2958.1 2958.66 Hmm . 2958.66 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2958.887 2961.418 2958.91 2961.418 Mm I think w - IN1013 B MIO078 1 2959.967 2960.349 2960.06 2960.23 Mm . 2960.23 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2960.334 2978.61 2960.46 2978.61 I don't know so much about s channel coding , like those Huffman coding stuff and , you know . I mean it's just standard . Yeah . They're just standard techniques . But 2962.53 2965.35 2966.28 2967.95 2969.08 2970.54 IN1013 A MIE034 0 2965.17 2979.342 2965.26 2979.342 Ah , well I mean Huffman's easy enough . But but yeah , sure . Uh that that's where I stop . Run length encoding , I'm out of here . 2965.71 2968.97 2974.0 2974.33 2976.3 2977.19 2979.24 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2967.622 2972.231 2967.81 2972.231 Yeah . 2971.92 IN1013 C MIO105 2 2968.371 2976.222 2968.371 2976.222 Well It's not the most difficult , right ? 2972.98 2976.07 IN1013 B MIO078 1 2979.683 3010.51 2979.82 3010.36 But I think again it's different , no ? Like these standards again , all these G_S_M_ standards . Maybe they have the compression standards and again coding stand but maybe uh I I read ah yeah . I don't remember anything like yeah , they're doing yeah , combi yeah , the even even G_ even normal G_ seventy nine , normal speech coder . So they have the speech coding standards again . They are these channel coding . So yeah . So it's mm . Yeah , b 2981.01 2981.12 2982.46 2984.02 2991.42 2992.98 2994.33 2996.0 2999.83 3000.69 3003.48 3005.68 3006.71 3009.83 3010.23 IN1013 D MIO097 3 2983.856 2987.024 2983.88 2986.94 Yeah , exactly . Yeah , yeah . 2984.43 2986.14 2986.43 2986.94 IN1013 C MIO105 2 2986.056 2991.843 2986.21 2991.843 Sure , sure . And and this was the problem actually because you were 2986.51 2987.67 IN1013 C MIO105 2 2995.322 2998.261 2995.49 2998.261 No not not in G_S_M_ , definitely definitely not . Uh 2996.79 2997.78 IN1013 C MIO105 2 3000.944 3002.228 3000.944 3002.01 Okay . 3002.01 IN1013 C MIO105 2 3005.024 3008.78 3005.05 3008.62 Then th they some , you know , source . So yeah . 3006.35 3007.32 3008.05 3008.62 IN1013 A MIE034 0 3005.106 3005.74 3005.21 3005.65 Okay . 3005.65 IN1013 C MIO105 2 3010.394 3012.639 3010.49 3012.59 Okay . Just one . 3011.8 3012.59 IN1013 A MIE034 0 3011.877 3027.151 3012.01 3027.0 I mean I I th I think they do try to I mean obviously the the the techniques they they choose are supposed to be less , you know , susceptible to coding errors , let's say . You know , i but I mean that's maybe the the limit to that . 3020.06 3020.29 3021.83 3022.97 3023.26 3027.0 IN1013 B MIO078 1 3014.868 3015.608 3014.96 3015.55 Maybe . 3015.55 IN1013 B MIO078 1 3021.12 3023.068 3021.12 3022.86 Yeah . 3022.86 IN1013 C MIO105 2 3021.44 3025.52 3022.48 3025.52 Yeah . Definitely . 3024.23 3025.32 IN1013 B MIO078 1 3026.308 3029.58 3026.308 3029.45 Yeah . Again , yeah , i 3028.56 3029.04 3029.42 IN1013 A MIE034 0 3028.816 3029.564 3028.91 3029.37 Yeah . 3029.37 IN1013 B MIO078 1 3033.831 3034.454 3033.85 3034.29 So okay ? 3034.29 IN1013 D MIO097 3 3034.918 3041.62 3035.07 3041.41 I think so . H yeah . end . Okay . Thank you guys . 3035.84 3036.81 3038.62 3040.66 3041.41 IN1013 C MIO105 2 3035.112 3066.421 3035.25 3066.33 Is it good ? Okay . Okay , thank you . 3038.33 3038.71 3040.74 3066.33 IN1013 B MIO078 1 3035.81 3036.234 3035.9 3036.13 Yep . 3036.13 IN1013 A MIE034 0 3036.499 3037.198 3036.65 3037.0 Okay . 3037.0 IN1013 B MIO078 1 3037.406 3039.949 3037.47 3039.88 Th thank you then . Oh . 3039.62 3039.88 IN1013 A MIE034 0 3039.328 3040.11 3039.43 3040.02 Okay . 3040.02 IN1013 D MIO097 3 3044.32 3047.869 3044.46 3047.869 Uh if you find some good paper which you might - IN1013 D MIO097 3 3049.78 3054.475 3049.9 3054.35 There was that fam fam waveform pro prototyping cor - IN1014 C MIO016 2 26.276 27.307 26.39 27.18 With the lapel . 27.18 IN1014 A MIO024 0 31.186 32.383 31.186 32.383 . 32.383 IN1014 C MIO016 2 49.693 55.838 49.77 55.838 So we I think we organise uh just to to discuss uh - IN1014 B MIO020 1 54.62 60.117 54.64 60.117 Sorry . I don't have my presentation . 56.75 59.99 IN1014 C MIO016 2 62.366 67.488 62.43 67.45 To discuss uh , yeah , the project Alexandre and uh Jean-Marc uh proposed 63.93 64.11 IN1014 B MIO020 1 62.819 63.453 63.2 63.453 Um - IN1014 C MIO016 2 69.051 86.099 69.27 86.03 a about uh capturing uh audio , video and slide uh in a synchronized way . And so we will start with uh an introduction . Uh I think Olivier prepared some slides about uh reviewing uh 72.99 78.09 81.76 IN1014 B MIO020 1 84.876 85.367 84.96 85.23 Yeah . 85.23 IN1014 C MIO016 2 87.71 90.571 87.92 90.571 current systems . And um 89.03 IN1014 C MIO016 2 92.068 108.381 92.12 108.381 And then , even if we don't have many things to to talk about , just to to start discussing about clearly the project and also um dealing with our kind of timing constraints . And uh 92.65 95.44 107.24 IN1014 D MIO031 3 106.143 106.617 106.2 106.52 Mm-hmm . 106.52 IN1014 B MIO020 1 107.37 110.86 107.43 110.75 So they're on my they're on a . 110.75 IN1014 C MIO016 2 114.112 118.818 114.22 118.818 The U_ U_S_ U_ uh U_S_B_ cord doesn't work ? And you didn't put on the 117.14 IN1014 B MIO020 1 118.263 119.427 118.45 119.33 No no . They are . 118.89 119.33 IN1014 C MIO016 2 120.416 123.169 120.44 123.13 Maybe you can access through the network . 123.13 IN1014 C MIO016 2 124.784 126.265 124.8 126.11 If it's on your H_ . 126.11 IN1014 B MIO020 1 127.585 131.051 127.76 130.94 Yeah . No , no . My D_ machine . 128.58 128.7 130.16 130.94 IN1014 C MIO016 2 127.702 129.889 127.77 129.8 Or it's on uh your D_ machine . 129.8 IN1014 C MIO016 2 132.786 136.153 132.84 135.89 So maybe we wi we will be able to . 135.89 IN1014 B MIO020 1 134.067 134.607 134.09 134.42 Yeah . 134.42 IN1014 B MIO020 1 136.678 137.2 136.83 137.08 Okay . 137.08 IN1014 C MIO016 2 138.947 141.042 139.08 140.98 Should work . What ? 140.75 140.98 IN1014 B MIO020 1 139.031 139.804 139.09 139.804 Just going - IN1014 D MIO031 3 142.659 143.457 142.74 143.35 Keep going . 143.35 IN1014 C MIO016 2 145.086 171.751 145.086 171.68 So um w yeah , we had like five slides y uh presenting different systems . And mayb maybe you we can do that at the white-board . I it's a bit stupid . But uh y you know . I think you remember well the different uh parts . And uh I'm sure uh we can do that at the white-board . Yeah , it would be great to use the white-board . 152.04 156.59 159.37 160.33 161.54 164.97 169.65 169.91 171.68 IN1014 A MIO024 0 146.183 148.538 146.183 148.538 The show must go on . 148.49 IN1014 B MIO020 1 156.511 157.234 156.65 157.12 Mm-hmm . 157.12 IN1014 B MIO020 1 163.745 164.335 163.8 164.26 Okay . 164.26 IN1014 B MIO020 1 166.307 169.725 166.45 169.53 Okay . So uh uh yeah . I will do something like that . 166.96 168.41 169.53 IN1014 B MIO020 1 172.346 196.928 172.57 196.88 Okay . So uh I would like just to review at the different project regarding acquisition system . So basically there are five systems . The first one is called SMAC , which is developed by Fribourg and CERN . The second one i is your system . Uh I would to say the cheap meeting room system . The third one yeah , maybe I can share that with you . 173.47 179.95 183.21 185.47 188.29 190.28 194.38 195.2 196.88 IN1014 C MIO016 2 196.244 199.072 196.35 199.03 So the the the first one is uh SMAC . Okay . 198.77 199.03 IN1014 B MIO020 1 199.307 201.704 199.46 201.57 The SMAC , yeah . Should I write ? 200.27 200.9 201.57 IN1014 C MIO016 2 201.815 202.614 201.88 202.55 Yeah , maybe yeah . 202.09 202.55 IN1014 B MIO020 1 205.862 206.643 205.98 206.37 Okay . 206.37 IN1014 C MIO016 2 207.665 211.402 207.79 211.33 Just a review of current systems uh to introduce . 211.33 IN1014 D MIO031 3 209.085 211.089 209.22 211.0 Yeah , yeah . Sure , that's interest us . 209.41 209.62 209.88 211.0 IN1014 B MIO020 1 210.637 213.963 210.83 213.86 The first one is yeah , I will call that A_ . 212.42 213.86 IN1014 B MIO020 1 218.72 222.858 218.92 222.78 SMAC , which is develop by Fribourg and CERN . The second one , B_ , 219.44 221.5 222.43 222.78 IN1014 B MIO020 1 224.689 232.073 224.87 231.93 which is uh I would like to che say uh cheap uh meeting room or I don't know . 231.93 IN1014 D MIO031 3 231.968 233.658 232.08 233.32 It's okay . It should . 232.45 233.32 IN1014 C MIO016 2 232.815 238.772 232.92 238.772 Well , cheap meeting room is the , you know , mm it's a conference room ? Or 233.24 234.44 234.98 238.4 IN1014 D MIO031 3 235.803 243.367 236.05 243.367 But for the moment just for the purpose well , f for the moment it's just to understand each other so we know we know that the uh 238.8 IN1014 B MIO020 1 235.969 239.522 236.07 239.522 Okay . 239.21 IN1014 A MIO024 0 236.811 239.598 236.88 239.598 You can say then you - IN1014 A MIO024 0 241.855 245.954 241.94 245.92 It I th I thought it was called PAS , so I think just use this . 243.65 245.92 IN1014 C MIO016 2 243.976 248.862 244.02 248.69 Yeah . PAS . Alexandre . PAS . Yeah . 245.53 246.48 246.99 248.42 248.69 IN1014 D MIO031 3 244.912 248.543 245.04 248.543 Yeah for with PAS . It's okay . Yeah , good idea . 246.42 247.31 247.55 248.5 IN1014 B MIO020 1 246.689 248.019 246.79 247.98 P_A_S_ . 247.98 IN1014 A MIO024 0 247.461 248.625 247.85 248.49 PAS . Yeah , yeah . 248.11 248.34 248.49 IN1014 B MIO020 1 249.236 252.52 249.32 252.52 Okay , P_A_S_ . The third one is um 249.95 251.22 IN1014 D MIO031 3 251.622 257.706 251.75 257.706 Uh this sounds like Alexandre pas . Yeah that's not that 254.13 IN1014 C MIO016 2 254.176 259.297 254.2 259.19 P PAS project . 259.19 IN1014 B MIO020 1 254.235 268.085 254.235 268.085 Okay . The third one is called uh the s um this is uh the smart meeting room develop at Fribourg which is called the smart 258.34 IN1014 C MIO016 2 267.282 280.18 267.37 280.02 Smart mediat uh Smart Minutes , but uh I thi Diva . Because a Sma yeah , Smart Minute is all the process of capturing the minutes automatically . But it's Diva we can say . 269.18 272.61 273.82 277.58 280.02 IN1014 D MIO031 3 268.451 272.659 268.61 272.52 It's Diva . N'est-ce pas ? Something like this . Yeah . 270.47 271.03 272.32 272.52 IN1014 B MIO020 1 272.541 273.464 272.65 273.36 It's DIVA . 273.36 IN1014 B MIO020 1 276.208 276.874 276.29 276.73 Okay . 276.73 IN1014 B MIO020 1 278.173 279.678 278.27 279.59 The p DIVA . 279.59 IN1014 B MIO020 1 281.733 299.125 281.85 299.125 D_I_V_A_ , something like that . The third one is call uh the third one is uh the project that I have to improve the current smart meeting room at IDIAP . Uh for that we will use um uh 285.54 287.55 295.76 IN1014 D MIO031 3 286.904 287.386 286.98 287.26 Mm-hmm . 287.26 IN1014 B MIO020 1 300.564 305.741 300.64 305.65 Yeah , a tape three uh okay , let's call that . 301.18 304.61 305.65 IN1014 C MIO016 2 308.847 310.785 308.87 310.785 Free . 310.39 IN1014 B MIO020 1 317.487 334.303 317.68 334.03 And the last one I would like just mention just to for the meeting and this is uh the fire-wire . Um I don't know if you saw my presentation during my turn . You did you ? Uh okay . E_ , which is firewire . 323.63 328.21 329.95 332.25 332.62 334.03 IN1014 D MIO031 3 327.949 328.389 328.07 328.26 Mm-hmm . 328.26 IN1014 D MIO031 3 329.52 329.712 329.58 329.68 Yeah . 329.68 IN1014 B MIO020 1 341.223 350.117 341.33 350.117 Okay . So I will start just with the SMAC . So maybe I draw line here . So the SMAC 342.86 346.13 348.89 IN1014 B MIO020 1 352.379 376.091 352.5 376.01 The SMAC project the SMAC project is a project which aims to do the acquisition of audio , video and slide uh for presentation . Yeah , this project is done with Fribourg and CERN . But I'm just going to make a very short um graphic . In fact , they use um 360.25 364.77 365.04 367.87 374.69 375.07 IN1014 B MIO020 1 377.807 393.301 378.45 393.24 a card , a video card which is call um I_V_C_ mm yeah . I just write I_V_C_ . In fact , this is a video card with four um inputs . 379.23 386.4 388.6 388.96 393.24 IN1014 C MIO016 2 384.151 385.855 384.33 385.81 Mm . Doesn't matter . Yeah . 384.6 385.57 385.81 IN1014 B MIO020 1 395.807 412.637 395.807 412.45 On these four inputs you can have only video . But uh they want to make also the slide acquisition . So on one input they put um a conversion box , a converter , which converts from slide 399.2 402.99 409.64 410.64 IN1014 B MIO020 1 414.816 432.597 414.88 432.49 to video . So that mean that we decrease uh the the quality . We have a high quality in slide and we go to low quality to lower quality with uh video . Um so this one is just for the SMAC . Now I will just move . D 415.88 419.3 426.96 430.2 432.28 IN1014 C MIO016 2 431.87 435.362 431.97 435.362 And this the three of those are the v the the video - IN1014 B MIO020 1 434.011 448.688 434.12 448.63 Yeah . These one are just for video and audio . You can use uh them . And this board does uh the DivX compression on the fly . This is uh the box that we have on the table . The the card that we have on the table . 434.53 436.52 437.82 443.87 446.8 448.63 IN1014 D MIO031 3 446.179 446.703 446.27 446.64 Mm-hmm . 446.64 IN1014 C MIO016 2 448.785 487.307 448.9 487.01 And uh I'd like to add that this c I think it's quite ambitious project because it's with uh the CERN . And they w they uh already worked on uh a European project called InDiCo , where they they have uh release , deliver , a full um kind of conference uh uh software . And uh to to manage uh all the the conference aspects uh uh we have in a conference automatically . And uh I know that at Fribourg they installed uh already in in a in a big uh amphitheatre for students . And I guess it's currently working . 454.45 459.29 462.4 463.11 469.47 477.04 485.38 487.01 IN1014 C MIO016 2 487.307 515.019 487.72 514.89 Ah no . Either just to uh in parentheses uh we didn't choose that um that solution because they had no um the the slides were not captured very uh in a very uh precise way . That's the point . Okay . Otherwise they uh it's fully automatic ? Or have have you discussed with them ? Did you discuss that ? Is it fully automatic ? You don't know ? 489.02 503.6 505.65 506.39 508.77 510.73 512.71 514.4 514.89 IN1014 A MIO024 0 503.566 504.73 503.65 504.63 Mm-hmm . Mm . 504.44 504.63 IN1014 D MIO031 3 504.469 505.026 504.5 504.91 Mm-hmm . 504.91 IN1014 D MIO031 3 515.304 515.996 515.49 515.86 I don't know . 515.86 IN1014 C MIO016 2 517.158 517.715 517.26 517.58 Okay . 517.58 IN1014 A MIO024 0 518.526 527.494 518.65 527.46 Well I suppose uh I suppose they can capture things , right . I mean don't s I don't see why you could not capture the videos I mean with a card like this . 521.53 521.8 527.46 IN1014 B MIO020 1 520.337 521.269 520.56 521.269 Uh I think - IN1014 C MIO016 2 522.934 523.873 523.03 523.82 But the p i - IN1014 C MIO016 2 528.478 536.178 528.6 536.04 But i i it all synchronize and i is it doing all what we want but without the slide uh precision ? 536.04 IN1014 D MIO031 3 533.753 534.177 533.84 534.13 Mm-hmm . 534.13 IN1014 A MIO024 0 538.762 540.425 538.9 540.22 I don't know . I mean I don't know . 539.5 540.22 IN1014 D MIO031 3 539.699 578.795 539.8 578.56 But l let be careful . There's one important point . The technical aspects of the way you acquire things should be driven by the kind of processing you want to have . So in our case we need to have a good processing of slides that in our case it means to transcribe with an O_C_R_ and then make indexing . We need to have high resolution image . I guess that's what you mean by precision , right ? So in a sense that's the point . For us we need to have uh this sufficient resolution images of slides to do what we want to do . So that's why I guess we don't follow that solution . Because apparently yeah . 541.11 542.49 549.06 555.82 558.42 561.39 562.19 564.16 573.22 577.15 578.56 IN1014 C MIO016 2 540.416 541.254 540.5 541.14 Okay , yeah . 540.94 541.14 IN1014 C MIO016 2 560.728 561.218 560.81 561.13 Yeah . 561.13 IN1014 C MIO016 2 576.12 590.047 576.27 589.96 And uh okay . And we are su and we are sure that in that uh context of SMAC project with uh um Fribourg working on document analysis uh there were not enough precision un enough resolution in the slides ? 577.19 589.96 IN1014 D MIO031 3 586.237 586.769 586.3 586.59 Mm-hmm . 586.59 IN1014 D MIO031 3 589.922 620.238 590.08 620.04 As far as I know so far uh they did similar works on meetings , document centred meetings . They always worked on manual transcriptions of documents . So they never really took into account a possibility of actually performing processing on the document they talk about during the meeting during in this case the uh the talk , the conference , the the th the presentation . As far as I know . As far as they published I kn I know the results they published uh so far . 594.26 595.65 599.59 612.29 613.07 615.09 616.26 620.04 IN1014 C MIO016 2 599.048 599.632 599.15 599.46 Mm yeah . 599.46 IN1014 C MIO016 2 605.394 606.026 605.51 605.79 Okay . 605.79 IN1014 C MIO016 2 611.021 613.079 611.1 612.81 Talk conference . . 612.81 612.81 IN1014 D MIO031 3 620.238 656.444 620.45 656.27 So essentially they n never took into account I mean the work at the high level , which means basically we have the information coming from here and there . And we n created techniques that allow to starts from the text there and the things that are said and w if we find context , I mean they make some kind of processing . But as they don't work on the low level so low level it means basically okay , take the speech and extract the transcription . I take the image uh of the document and I take the transcription . They basically don't really care of this aspect , as far as I understand , mm . As far as I know . 624.53 628.05 636.81 638.68 642.9 645.4 649.38 652.74 654.23 655.4 656.27 IN1014 C MIO016 2 638.495 639.077 638.6 638.93 Mm-hmm . 638.93 IN1014 C MIO016 2 652.557 653.205 652.68 652.98 Okay . 652.98 IN1014 A MIO024 0 654.016 686.535 654.42 686.29 Well as far as I as far as I know , I mean they do of course they can do of course slide detection . Change slide change detections which uh of course what I understood is also they try to recover the layout somehow . I mean given the slides but they are in no case they are extracting the text from the slides . So with in uh in uh all the cases what I've seen , in all the cases I've seen I mean they s assume that at least you have like a P_D_F_ version of the document or what . And basically they try to match what is displayed 657.06 660.32 667.62 673.67 676.73 682.74 IN1014 D MIO031 3 661.289 661.821 661.38 661.72 Mm-hmm . 661.72 IN1014 C MIO016 2 661.852 662.523 662.07 662.39 Mm-hmm . 662.39 IN1014 D MIO031 3 667.828 668.35 667.98 668.17 Yeah . 668.17 IN1014 C MIO016 2 668.374 669.473 668.374 669.473 . 669.473 IN1014 D MIO031 3 681.766 682.81 681.91 682.6 Exactly . 682.6 IN1014 A MIO024 0 686.535 728.678 687.05 728.52 to the document . So first they need to extract the information from the document , which is not does not seem to be so trivial , at least for uh because they're also working with uh maybe more complex documents with images and text and so on . Maybe with slides it's ea it's easier to extract uh the information . I assume it's ea it's easier indeed . But they uh assume basically uh that they have this document , which is something somehow we would like to relax uh because uh people uh like in it's you may not want each time to ask the person . Maybe the person has a point point , not the not a P_D_F_ version . Or maybe he's using Excel to do a demonstration or something like this and we'll want to avoid this . 688.09 690.65 693.08 700.56 703.81 706.14 709.74 718.63 720.2 723.13 728.52 IN1014 C MIO016 2 688.293 688.964 688.5 688.87 Okay . 688.87 IN1014 D MIO031 3 688.921 689.965 689.17 689.79 Exactly . 689.79 IN1014 D MIO031 3 699.57 700.055 699.72 700.0 Yeah . 700.0 IN1014 D MIO031 3 706.192 706.825 706.49 706.69 Yeah . 706.69 IN1014 B MIO020 1 714.47 715.029 714.52 714.98 Mm . 714.98 IN1014 C MIO016 2 725.518 726.1 725.67 726.02 Mm-hmm . 726.02 IN1014 D MIO031 3 727.024 756.468 727.27 756.28 Let's say that it makes uh less automatic in the sense that at point you need someone giving the file and putting the file upload in somewhere , et cetera . And it is a different kind of processing . Some way is always driven by w what you're able to do . They work a lot on layout analysis . I know they match uh uh the layout in two X_M_L_ files , et cetera . So it's a different way of approaching the problem , which means a different way of capturing different exigencies in in capturing the the documents , yeah . 734.82 736.09 737.84 740.28 742.25 746.19 746.69 749.1 756.14 756.28 IN1014 C MIO016 2 727.777 729.305 728.02 729.305 To c to capture - IN1014 A MIO024 0 731.123 731.597 731.26 731.54 Mm . 731.54 IN1014 C MIO016 2 737.701 739.098 737.77 738.93 Mm-hmm . Yeah , yeah . 738.26 738.7 738.93 IN1014 A MIO024 0 746.363 746.795 746.48 746.65 Mm . 746.65 IN1014 C MIO016 2 746.634 747.864 746.634 747.864 . 747.864 IN1014 C MIO016 2 754.981 757.361 755.04 757.32 Yeah , different requirements . 755.25 757.32 IN1014 A MIO024 0 756.361 791.272 756.51 791.12 But but most you would say most most of the points for us I mean would be valid . I mean slide transition we would use slide uh need to do it slide transition . To some extent we would like to extract some elements of the layout to disting to have a more high analysis . But we would like to do this more automatically and in particular for the text recognition to do to be able to do retrieval uh of slides or points . I mean of parts of presentation . We would like not to have to rely , yeah , to a first P_D_F_ version or any version of the document . So yeah . 761.19 765.98 772.21 781.87 784.04 785.65 785.81 789.59 791.12 IN1014 D MIO031 3 762.047 762.457 762.18 762.36 Yep . 762.36 IN1014 D MIO031 3 763.19 764.42 763.29 764.28 Yeah . Yep . 764.05 764.28 IN1014 D MIO031 3 769.052 769.493 769.12 769.36 Yeah . 769.36 IN1014 C MIO016 2 770.777 771.522 770.93 771.35 Mm-hmm . 771.35 IN1014 B MIO020 1 790.29 811.752 790.42 811.63 Okay . So the solution to that low quality is uh solved b by you project , the PAS project . Uh uh I make a tick here and I clean up this is just to to solve that pro that problem regarding the slide and the slide resolution . So we remove uh that part . 790.8 797.78 799.37 808.53 811.63 IN1014 B MIO020 1 817.207 819.986 817.28 819.7 And we call that the PAS . 819.7 IN1014 B MIO020 1 823.561 829.658 823.65 829.58 And in that case we use um a frame grabber here . And we go with the slide here . 827.85 829.58 IN1014 B MIO020 1 832.194 855.079 832.4 855.079 And um of course these two cards will be on the same machine . And uh we have to develop a solution here . The main critical point is here . The synchronisation between these two uh these two cards . And with that this is the card that we use in the smart meeting room and this is uh the card the um 837.8 840.22 842.78 847.98 IN1014 A MIO024 0 855.175 859.46 855.24 859.3 So the c you have bought this card , right ? I mean you say this is a card . No no . 856.92 857.11 858.92 859.3 IN1014 B MIO020 1 855.47 855.731 855.47 855.47 . 855.47 IN1014 B MIO020 1 857.379 867.123 857.48 866.96 Yeah , these one no no . Th uh this one is and this one the video card . And this one , this is uh the card that we have already at IDIAP for the sli 857.75 858.71 862.31 862.98 IN1014 D MIO031 3 865.19 865.705 865.27 865.58 Mm-hmm . 865.58 IN1014 A MIO024 0 866.22 888.83 866.3 888.83 Yeah . But I mean this one is the I_V_C_ . Okay . So what I want to say is on this card there are four inputs , right ? Okay . Not n so enough uh well , yeah , yeah . I was thinking to some extent nothing would would prevent us uh from also acquiring the slide , but really the slide stream from from this card indeed . Right ? Or 866.68 869.22 869.67 873.66 875.08 875.85 877.04 877.52 877.86 884.82 887.94 888.39 IN1014 C MIO016 2 866.749 867.234 867.14 867.2 Hmm . 867.2 IN1014 D MIO031 3 867.939 871.073 868.13 870.97 I it's the same as as you have in the picture , yeah . 870.83 870.97 IN1014 B MIO020 1 868.596 869.552 868.68 869.26 Yeah , yeah . 869.08 869.26 IN1014 B MIO020 1 870.34 870.899 870.59 870.85 Yep . 870.85 IN1014 B MIO020 1 873.915 874.356 874.02 874.25 Yeah . 874.25 IN1014 B MIO020 1 875.611 876.326 875.67 876.326 Yeah . So 875.92 IN1014 B MIO020 1 889.084 908.426 889.24 908.426 Okay . Yeah , yeah . Yeah . So we can have both . We can have the slide from the slide capture and we can just use uh a video signal to to capture that also . To have two t uh mm you wants to ha do you have two quality h high quality and 889.53 889.83 890.48 890.85 892.88 903.03 IN1014 A MIO024 0 895.323 895.705 895.39 895.67 Yeah . 895.67 IN1014 A MIO024 0 899.458 903.092 899.57 902.98 Okay . To capture the slide . Yeah . Okay . 900.26 901.85 902.71 902.98 IN1014 A MIO024 0 907.887 920.725 908.01 920.63 Well , I mean just because we cannot rec uh we can w something we cannot do with uh it seems for with the high q quality uh capture uh device is to have a stream . I mean the stream . Right , the full stream . 908.23 918.43 919.65 919.84 920.63 IN1014 B MIO020 1 921.155 924.229 921.24 924.13 Yeah , we can just take some snapshots . Yeah . 921.53 923.96 924.13 IN1014 A MIO024 0 922.621 962.173 922.64 962.05 So we can tape snapshots . So basically it might be interesting to have still um uh the s uh the slide stream so that for instance if we detect there is a new video that is displayed also on , to some extent we could just cut this videos to keep it and to be able to replay it uh later on and so on . And maybe indeed if for instance the slide stream on the on the right is automatically synchronized with the other parts of the video , it may be easier to s to uh synchronize directly by some some matching process . The slides , the high quality measures we have here , we've directly yeah , yeah . Yeah . 924.74 934.33 941.69 949.8 956.74 957.34 959.08 960.62 961.71 962.05 IN1014 D MIO031 3 934.866 935.239 934.93 935.14 Yeah . 935.14 IN1014 B MIO020 1 937.247 937.655 937.33 937.51 Yeah . 937.51 IN1014 B MIO020 1 940.153 941.608 940.27 941.56 Yeah . Yeah . 941.28 941.56 IN1014 B MIO020 1 949.736 950.151 949.79 950.0 Yeah . 950.0 IN1014 B MIO020 1 957.819 961.594 958.01 961.48 Yeah . With um this one . So yeah you won't yeah . 958.92 960.39 961.48 IN1014 C MIO016 2 961.665 968.73 961.74 968.62 So you you would you c you can uh link like this ? Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 967.71 968.21 968.62 IN1014 B MIO020 1 962.931 967.666 963.06 967.5 Yeah . Yeah . Something like like say something like that . 963.64 963.83 967.5 IN1014 A MIO024 0 967.197 968.561 967.3 968.43 Yeah , exactly . Yeah . 967.56 968.25 968.43 IN1014 D MIO031 3 967.848 969.402 967.98 969.28 Yeah . Yep . 969.09 969.28 IN1014 A MIO024 0 970.059 1013.226 970.11 1013.11 So at least uh this is not at the electronic level . But you would say as a contents from the content level , doing an alignment from the slide stream and from the snap-shots we would have on the other side w is something that might be possible . Of course if we have some , you know , some constraints given by the electronic , I mean it's that's better . Uh because of course first the process is going to be easier and it may be just a few signals that we have to align on the other parts . But I think I could see I could imagine that this could be a reasonable process to do . And it especially because this would solve some of the issues regarding I mean like the possibility of d of displaying videos after from from what we record . So yeah . 972.69 975.33 982.82 984.6 984.87 987.13 989.13 996.47 1002.75 1012.49 1013.11 IN1014 B MIO020 1 982.716 983.107 982.79 983.05 Yeah . 983.05 IN1014 B MIO020 1 995.524 995.923 995.63 995.83 Yep . 995.83 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1002.759 1003.807 1002.85 1003.76 Yeah , yeah . Ch yeah . 1003.06 1003.25 1003.76 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1006.571 1007.402 1006.81 1007.16 Video . 1007.16 IN1014 D MIO031 3 1009.601 1012.32 1009.76 1012.1 Yeah . Yep . Definitely . 1010.4 1011.62 1012.1 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1009.716 1010.09 1009.78 1009.95 Yeah . 1009.95 IN1014 C MIO016 2 1011.048 1011.68 1011.12 1011.55 Mm-hmm . 1011.55 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1013.373 1024.258 1013.49 1024.13 Okay . So uh I was just talking about the PAS project . Maybe I would like just now to talk about the DIVA project . So I clean up . 1014.08 1019.02 1022.79 1024.13 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1028.267 1028.758 1028.35 1028.65 Yeah . 1028.65 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1030.607 1031.148 1031.01 1031.04 I . 1031.04 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1031.984 1032.282 1032.03 1032.2 There . 1032.2 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1033.521 1037.264 1033.64 1037.23 Um did you read something regarding the DIVA project ? 1037.23 IN1014 A MIO024 0 1038.804 1042.886 1038.88 1042.886 Well , this is more or less what we just discussed , right , if I understand 1039.05 1041.46 1041.69 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1041.433 1056.06 1041.55 1056.06 In fa yeah , uh we just remember that here we we still have only one machine to do uh the slide , video and audio acquisition . And the DIVA it was uh something different . Fact we have a master machine that's um 1042.46 1048.21 1050.22 1052.9 IN1014 D MIO031 3 1046.736 1047.335 1046.82 1047.29 Mm-hmm . 1047.29 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1058.644 1063.46 1058.79 1063.32 We have a master machine here . And we have some slaves machine here . 1060.87 1063.32 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1075.004 1082.528 1075.15 1082.528 We have some connection and here we have some input . We have audio . Usually we have audio . And 1078.99 1079.92 1082.0 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1084.827 1105.551 1084.91 1105.49 And the same for this one . And um basically on the slave machine we have two cards , one for audio and one for video . So they develop something to synchronize these two cards together and th uh this is something which is it's more , w which is call uh direct show , 1088.11 1092.71 1095.0 1103.01 1105.49 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1107.189 1136.199 1107.36 1136.0 uh which allows you to to synchronize uh these two cards together . And but of course you want these two streams to be synchronize . But you want also these two streams to be synchronized . So they have a synchronization between two slaves which is done by the master . Here we just use uh the et ethernet network to synchronize uh these two um these two device . Um I just write . 1112.23 1116.65 1119.81 1125.11 1133.48 1136.0 IN1014 D MIO031 3 1129.081 1129.546 1129.13 1129.45 Mm-hmm . 1129.45 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1139.674 1148.214 1139.77 1148.214 Internet , something like that . And uh they do only audio and video . Uh they don't do any slide . Um 1140.23 1141.44 1144.5 1147.18 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1151.496 1173.981 1151.61 1173.981 Slide acquisition , yeah . Okay ? So Yves asked for the DIVA . I would like just to talk now regarding uh the the fire-free smart meeting room at IDIAP . Do you have any question ? Or uh . What yeah , tape free , sorry . Tape free smart meeting room . So for that I 1152.49 1153.01 1154.13 1156.02 1164.13 1164.92 1167.01 1167.91 1168.31 1169.75 1171.59 IN1014 D MIO031 3 1151.49 1152.812 1151.65 1152.66 Acquisition . Mm-hmm . 1152.43 1152.66 IN1014 C MIO016 2 1164.591 1165.29 1164.66 1165.18 Tape free . 1165.18 IN1014 D MIO031 3 1165.248 1166.079 1165.34 1165.97 Tape free . 1165.97 IN1014 C MIO016 2 1167.273 1169.353 1167.34 1169.22 Tape free . D_V_ tape free . 1168.22 1169.22 IN1014 A MIO024 0 1176.932 1181.602 1177.23 1181.4 So like the Diva project is a tape free , already smart meeting room , huh ? 1179.75 1181.08 1181.4 IN1014 C MIO016 2 1179.924 1180.672 1180.02 1180.56 Yes . 1180.56 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1180.479 1198.704 1180.59 1198.67 Yeah . It's yeah . It's a tape free but also video . Uh and the acquisition is done in raw video . So the file is huge and they really need uh um they have a long post-processing to convert raw file to uh DivX or to our own files . 1180.96 1181.59 1184.57 1187.44 1198.67 IN1014 C MIO016 2 1191.37 1191.927 1191.43 1191.88 Mm-hmm . 1191.88 IN1014 A MIO024 0 1199.618 1204.433 1199.7 1204.36 Okay . But this can be done automatically , right ? I mean is the okay . 1200.19 1201.7 1202.0 1204.36 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1202.196 1207.909 1202.28 1207.909 Yeah , but it takes time . It it's just just to mention that . Uh so 1202.49 1203.57 1207.08 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1210.24 1211.156 1210.32 1210.95 I will write . 1210.95 IN1014 C MIO016 2 1217.25 1222.263 1217.35 1222.12 And that's what you they use more or less in T_N_O_ also . They didn't have uh tapes . 1220.45 1222.12 IN1014 C MIO016 2 1223.632 1225.4 1223.66 1225.37 But with different cards . 1225.37 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1225.471 1226.776 1225.56 1226.6 Yeah . Yeah , yeah . 1226.18 1226.4 1226.6 IN1014 A MIO024 0 1226.092 1227.43 1226.11 1227.33 So at T_N_O_ they have something ? 1227.33 IN1014 C MIO016 2 1227.89 1229.951 1228.19 1229.951 They had something . 1229.14 IN1014 A MIO024 0 1228.819 1235.665 1228.92 1235.45 Ah , okay . Okay . Yeah , okay . No . No , that's what I was thinking . 1229.06 1230.93 1232.85 1233.16 1234.18 1234.26 1234.4 1235.45 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1230.506 1245.589 1230.92 1245.45 Okay . So maybe first I will just describe the ma the smart meeting room that we have at IDIAP . In fact we have uh also a master slave architecture . Um I clean a little bit . 1231.62 1237.13 1242.04 1245.45 IN1014 C MIO016 2 1231.331 1232.287 1231.35 1232.25 For the AMI project . 1232.25 IN1014 C MIO016 2 1237.123 1237.645 1237.19 1237.41 Hmm . 1237.41 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1249.723 1255.66 1249.87 1255.52 We have the master P_C_ , which take ks uh which takes care about the audio . 1251.72 1255.52 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1259.358 1270.22 1259.51 1270.16 I clean that . And we have the slave P_C_ which take cares about the white board and the slides . 1261.79 1270.16 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1272.812 1274.824 1273.02 1274.824 Now if we look at the video - IN1014 B MIO020 1 1279.54 1296.63 1279.66 1296.36 If we look at the video in fact um yeah , maybe first I should mention that . Between the master and the slave we have um the mm a synchronization signal which is call time MIDI time code . I just write MIDI . 1283.33 1284.93 1295.31 1296.36 IN1014 C MIO016 2 1291.463 1291.836 1291.51 1291.68 Yeah . 1291.68 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1298.406 1305.785 1298.49 1305.56 And for the video , we have the video input here . We re-use the um MIDI signal 1299.88 1302.01 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1307.54 1317.342 1307.82 1317.14 uh with um to insert the time code on each frame . And we save that to D_V_ recorder . 1313.65 1317.14 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1321.657 1323.12 1321.76 1323.01 Uh I I have video . 1323.01 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1324.41 1342.581 1324.55 1342.33 Okay . Uh we know the problem of that that uh this is that after each meeting somebody has to take care about the D_V_ tapes and to t convert them into DivX . So my idea is to d do something like that , is to develop a s um 1325.67 1337.22 1340.52 IN1014 C MIO016 2 1325.344 1325.828 1325.56 1325.66 Mm-hmm . 1325.66 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1344.626 1358.607 1344.73 1358.52 um uh a video slave machine . May I say something like that , yeah , a video slave machine uh which use the MIDI um which use also the MIDI time code . 1347.9 1349.11 1349.28 1358.52 IN1014 D MIO031 3 1349.98 1350.52 1350.05 1350.44 Mm-hmm . 1350.44 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1361.036 1364.584 1361.16 1364.5 No , sorry . Sorry , I'm doing something wrong . 1361.37 1362.96 1363.42 1364.5 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1368.563 1393.279 1368.563 1393.15 We have the video here . We just have the time code inserter . So we take that signal here and we move to this uh machine here , which is in fact just uh the I_V_C_ video card . This just an acquisition card . And we com and we s and we convert file directly to DivX . And um so we will have here video . 1370.85 1373.42 1379.88 1383.63 1385.49 1390.17 1393.15 IN1014 D MIO031 3 1383.719 1384.293 1384.0 1384.16 Mm-hmm . 1384.16 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1398.011 1422.999 1398.1 1422.91 And also because we want to control that machine we use also the MIDI time code the MIDI time code to start and to stop the machine . This is just something uh that uh this just to remove the D_V_ recordings . But um yeah . Just uh this just an improvement of the smart meeting room . Okay . Uh do you have any question uh regarding uh that ? 1407.95 1412.96 1415.12 1419.53 1421.03 1422.91 IN1014 A MIO024 0 1424.341 1437.034 1424.8 1436.95 Yeah , so currently because there is a time code , uh video time code , you don't care about the frame dropping I mean because anyway , in each in the video signal , it is encoded the time , right ? 1425.01 1427.54 1429.35 1433.13 1434.99 1436.64 1436.95 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1436.969 1457.218 1437.07 1457.08 Yeah . We don't have to care about the synchronization in that case because the time code is ins serted here . And we take after the time code insertion we take the video signal and we pass through the machine . So uh this is uh a simple solution , but um where we don't have to care about the synchronization . 1437.76 1443.69 1450.95 1453.63 1457.08 IN1014 A MIO024 0 1444.06 1444.509 1444.16 1444.44 Yeah . 1444.44 IN1014 A MIO024 0 1446.816 1449.43 1446.95 1449.32 Yeah . Yeah , yeah . Yeah . Mm . 1447.4 1448.12 1448.75 1449.1 1449.32 IN1014 A MIO024 0 1457.488 1457.913 1457.53 1457.81 Okay . 1457.81 IN1014 C MIO016 2 1459.03 1468.17 1459.13 1468.11 Because the synchronization problem comes from the the grabbing from the D_V_ tape in in d in D_ Vix . So it's afterwards . 1467.07 1468.11 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1462.548 1467.645 1462.63 1467.48 Co yeah . The synchronization is yeah . 1465.3 1467.48 IN1014 A MIO024 0 1469.156 1472.517 1469.55 1472.47 Well , but you don't I mean at this point you don't really care because 1469.73 IN1014 A MIO024 0 1474.097 1507.969 1474.2 1507.83 I mean in the signal you can extract the time . I mean the time stamp is i in the signal . So if you drop some frame , which happens sometimes when you do compression or acquisition uh you you uh ev you will automatically find this in uh the signal , right ? I mean it's encoded in the in the image . So you can you can do it . Otherwise uh if there is some frame dropping , you have to rely on the number of frames you are counting more or less I suppose to to assess it . Uh so you have you have some problems then , yeah . Okay . 1476.72 1478.53 1480.4 1489.45 1489.73 1492.17 1494.18 1497.66 1503.8 1506.62 1507.49 1507.83 IN1014 C MIO016 2 1477.035 1477.733 1477.18 1477.68 Mm . 1477.68 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1483.373 1483.905 1483.56 1483.85 Yeah . 1483.85 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1493.584 1494.052 1493.67 1494.0 Yeah . 1494.0 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1501.426 1501.858 1501.52 1501.75 Yeah . 1501.75 IN1014 C MIO016 2 1503.073 1505.16 1503.13 1505.16 Oh no , it's impossible , yeah . 1503.31 1504.0 1504.91 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1507.858 1515.373 1508.0 1515.373 Okay . So the f last one is uh the fire-wire acquisition . Uh I just 1508.86 1512.93 IN1014 A MIO024 0 1516.169 1518.563 1516.4 1518.563 Which i which was more or less T_N_O_ - IN1014 A MIO024 0 1520.258 1520.94 1520.28 1520.77 S problem - IN1014 B MIO020 1 1520.955 1521.62 1521.11 1521.51 Okay . 1521.51 IN1014 A MIO024 0 1522.874 1525.302 1522.97 1525.2 with respect to frame dropping , right ? 1524.93 1525.2 IN1014 C MIO016 2 1525.221 1548.112 1525.32 1548.0 Mm they didn't have too much fun grabbing . The problem is was that it was not synchronized . So the time code was wrong for for the different videos . They had the uh uh at the beginning of the video , you if you saw the time code , it was six hours ni uh fifty minutes . And h there four hours thirty two minutes . So it's it was a problem with the time code . 1528.53 1530.96 1535.21 1538.59 1540.01 1542.84 1545.98 1548.0 IN1014 A MIO024 0 1543.053 1543.426 1543.16 1543.32 Yeah . 1543.32 IN1014 A MIO024 0 1547.552 1554.869 1547.66 1554.869 Well I think if it was not a problem of frame dropping , the alignment would have been quite easy to to do . And the 1550.95 1554.22 IN1014 C MIO016 2 1553.667 1562.248 1553.81 1562.248 Well , that's what they did uh manually after the afterwards . But they didn't have too much frame drops in fact . No , they d yeah , yeah , yeah , I'm sure . Because 1554.0 1557.28 1559.83 1560.02 1560.49 1560.73 1561.05 1561.75 IN1014 A MIO024 0 1559.8 1564.096 1560.01 1564.05 Really ? Well , so it was not such a difficult process then . 1561.66 1561.87 1564.05 IN1014 C MIO016 2 1565.163 1568.988 1565.23 1568.8 Well , it's manual to to synchronize it , the frame . 1565.53 1567.67 1568.8 IN1014 A MIO024 0 1568.023 1579.866 1568.09 1579.74 Yeah , but if it's only to find uh one of set , you have to find some exa some examples . But I I had the feeling that they had also some frame dropping that was uh no ? 1568.3 1571.44 1574.58 1579.74 IN1014 C MIO016 2 1571.481 1572.981 1571.6 1572.81 Yeah , that's what they did . 1571.81 1572.81 IN1014 C MIO016 2 1578.772 1584.704 1578.86 1584.49 No no , because uh we did the software here and it they didn't choo no our uh software . 1579.16 1584.49 IN1014 A MIO024 0 1581.815 1584.709 1581.86 1584.62 Okay . Okay . Then that's fine . 1583.23 1583.98 1584.62 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1592.116 1630.087 1592.56 1629.94 Okay . Um in fact the the major problem regarding acquisition system is always the synchronization . And for that fire-wire is good . I mean fire-wire was a project . Now the project is uh stand-by . Uh we don't move to that project . I am but I am just going to talk about this one . Um so with acquisition with acquisition systems uh the major problem the major problem is uh the synchronization . And fire-wire gives you some um some way to be synchronize in fact . 1593.52 1600.56 1602.63 1606.0 1609.75 1613.71 1616.28 1624.81 1629.94 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1630.087 1659.837 1630.35 1659.73 Uh this is uh I just want to to describe here the bus . This uh yeah , this is of the bus where you can send you can send some package . And any device we which wants to send a package a p a packet , sorry , should ask um there is a manager of that bus . This just of the bus . Any device which wants to send a packet has to r to r 1634.49 1636.25 1640.45 1648.01 1649.52 1653.29 1654.73 IN1014 C MIO016 2 1645.536 1646.269 1645.63 1646.14 Packet . 1646.14 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1661.433 1688.802 1661.55 1688.802 uh require some uh band-width on the bus on the bus . And so after that he will have that band-width . And he will always have that band-width . So um yeah , he will always have that band-width . And so we are sure that we will have a synchronize acquisition with fire-wire . And so so that mean that um 1666.44 1670.31 1674.21 1678.44 1680.43 1685.72 IN1014 C MIO016 2 1692.567 1720.456 1692.65 1720.42 And this is no no no . . And this is done at the um you have libraries , et et cetera to to choo well uh a all you you are saying about uh asking about band-width , et cetera . It th when y uh you use a system um hardware . Yeah , yeah . So we don't have to code all the communication process , et cetera . So just for explanation . 1695.87 1695.87 1699.15 1706.52 1707.2 1712.01 1712.19 1713.58 1717.15 1717.64 1720.42 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1693.066 1696.261 1693.16 1696.14 Yeah . Yeah . Sorry , sorry . Uh yeah . 1693.91 1694.17 1694.51 1694.86 1696.14 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1697.972 1698.972 1698.04 1698.74 Hardware . 1698.74 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1707.77 1758.255 1707.87 1758.08 It's i it's done by it's done by hardware . It's done by hardware . No no no no no . And in fact yeah . I I as I mentioned before , we have a bus manager and the bus manager send just a flag to say now it's time to give me you data , and all devices which have uh required some band-width will send the data . So I'm just drawing something like that . This is this kind of signal that the th bus manager is sending . And just after that bus just after that uh signal all device will send uh the data . So we will have the data from A_ , from B_ and from C_ and so on . And after the next one we will have again the um 1712.71 1715.09 1716.7 1717.9 1720.01 1726.24 1732.81 1736.68 1741.59 1750.05 1752.51 1754.38 IN1014 D MIO031 3 1716.763 1717.653 1716.98 1717.55 Hmm . 1717.55 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1759.835 1812.527 1759.92 1812.45 the data from A_ , B_ and C_ and so on and so on . And so with fire-wire we are sure to have a um an acquisition system . Now the major problem with fire-wire is that that fire-wire is just an kind of intelligent , uh a smart pipe . A synchronized pipe . We can put what we want inside . So we can put raw data , or we can send a DivX data , or we can send also uh what I uh was presenting in my term presentation was a H_ two six four . But in that case we need something uh hardware here to uncode raw data to a given format . Of course uh the idea is to reduce um the band-width on the bus also . And all data are sent through the master . 1761.09 1762.66 1769.09 1777.22 1778.96 1780.47 1782.51 1784.62 1787.13 1795.31 1803.72 1810.42 1812.45 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1816.445 1817.676 1816.49 1817.676 Do you have any quest - IN1014 D MIO031 3 1819.036 1854.14 1819.17 1853.71 Mm yeah . Now basically we have all this kind of general view about all the systems maybe we can take this opportunity to come back to our system . Because you know we had there are mm we had the long discussion and finally we decided for for one approach . And maybe take the opportunity to look just a moment uh at what point we are and w when we plan basically to get something uh done and working . I can add to that list of project is something that Jean-Marc and me we have found in the literature . There is F_X_ that is doing something very similar to to what we do here basically . 1819.94 1827.58 1834.32 1843.62 1848.15 1853.71 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1828.475 1828.949 1828.53 1828.82 Yeah . 1828.82 IN1014 C MIO016 2 1832.01 1832.7 1832.13 1832.55 Mm-hmm . 1832.55 IN1014 C MIO016 2 1849.902 1850.517 1849.96 1850.4 Yes . 1850.4 IN1014 D MIO031 3 1854.14 1882.594 1854.4 1882.53 A capture through the projector signal of the slides and they for the moment they just plan to use the slides as a as a way to index the presentations . But but uh roughly is is an idea that is very similar to to our idea . So well essentially now we have the material as far I'm as I'm understood . Uh and it's up to you to tell us roughly when do you think uh we're gonna have something working . 1864.49 1870.02 1873.96 1882.53 IN1014 C MIO016 2 1880.246 1938.869 1880.35 1938.73 Okay . Yeah . So we need uh well , this is will be done together t like in to to try to divide the time uh what do we do . Um we we don't want today to to put deadlines , you know . But um what we have , what we can do and how we will be able to do , I was thinking uh for instance uh in th in what we have um uh because I don't know a lot about um using uh like uh D_L_L_ , M_F_C_ , uh uh Microsoft software . But I'm very happy to to go with that . And uh so what we have until now is the software that Darren did for the frame grabbing . And and actually I c um I can start playing and uh looking at the this uh in detail . 1881.28 1882.8 1884.36 1891.13 1894.32 1895.38 1898.2 1902.3 1914.16 1915.42 1918.49 1921.43 1930.84 1938.73 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1894.728 1895.226 1894.8 1895.11 Mm-hmm . 1895.11 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1928.472 1929.095 1928.57 1929.05 Mm-hmm . 1929.05 IN1014 D MIO031 3 1939.037 1939.586 1939.14 1939.48 Mm-hmm . 1939.48 IN1014 C MIO016 2 1940.549 1942.162 1940.62 1941.98 So Darren software - IN1014 C MIO016 2 1944.027 1947.164 1944.12 1946.97 About um frame grabbing . 1946.97 IN1014 C MIO016 2 1951.09 1987.158 1951.22 1987.04 Sup I suppose M_F_C_C_ no uh , not M_F_C_C_ but M_ e M_F_C_ . You heard of that . And uh D_L_L_ , et cetera . The all the Windows uh uh pro programming . Um so this is one uh step . Then um the audio video card um so so uh first uh we need to look at this , to look at the demos that are uh i with the what they call the S_D_K_ uh software development kit . 1954.73 1956.67 1958.05 1959.42 1960.18 1965.62 1968.72 1979.97 1987.04 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1956.576 1957.158 1956.67 1957.03 Mm-hmm . 1957.03 IN1014 D MIO031 3 1963.649 1964.606 1963.73 1964.42 Issues , yeah . 1964.25 1964.42 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1974.555 1975.278 1974.555 1975.278 . 1975.278 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1982.579 1983.011 1982.68 1982.94 Yeah . 1982.94 IN1014 C MIO016 2 1988.497 1996.265 1988.55 1996.17 Uh demos , test . Um testing the card with uh only one audio for instance and then only one video . 1990.23 1990.68 1996.17 IN1014 B MIO020 1 1996.123 1996.697 1996.22 1996.52 Mm-hmm . 1996.52 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2001.49 2012.154 2001.62 2012.0 And e even uh testing with only the slides uh to capture all the uh like what you were saying , the the s uh the video s uh stream . Well , slide stream . 2007.18 2010.36 2011.13 2012.0 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2008.737 2009.211 2008.87 2009.16 Yeah . 2009.16 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2012.626 2023.011 2012.95 2023.011 Uh in fact the um slide card l sorry . The slide card and the video card are both S_D_K_ . So what 2017.13 2021.88 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2018.14 2018.939 2018.2 2018.939 The frame - IN1014 C MIO016 2 2022.443 2026.021 2022.54 2025.95 You mean the frame grabbing card ? Yeah . 2025.56 2025.95 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2024.691 2027.905 2024.82 2027.77 Yeah . Both are S_D_K_ . 2026.05 2027.77 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2027.414 2036.963 2027.76 2036.89 They have S_D_K_ uh software development kit that is based on uh M_F_C_ libraries and C_ plus plus libraries . 2036.89 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2030.067 2030.532 2030.16 2030.41 Yeah . 2030.41 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2033.632 2034.746 2033.73 2034.65 Yeah , y yeah . 2034.09 2034.65 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2036.459 2041.881 2036.56 2041.881 Yeah , this for that you uh I don't remember by how . No . But 2037.03 2040.52 2041.43 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2039.038 2054.344 2039.17 2054.24 Okay . Okay . So once you we've tested the individually the card , we can test to synchronize the audio and the video together ? Or is it no , it's synchronized ? Or okay . 2041.19 2042.42 2046.44 2050.94 2051.6 2052.37 2054.24 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2050.911 2068.277 2051.09 2068.2 Usually audio audio and video should be synchronized . Because uh this just an on an audio video channel . So uh they are synchronize . Um so we can play with the video . We can play with the slide . Uh and after that and the major point is to m combine both . 2055.19 2058.65 2060.43 2062.92 2064.85 2068.2 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2058.103 2058.635 2058.18 2058.55 Okay . 2058.55 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2068.301 2094.387 2068.37 2094.27 Okay . And the i th now we are , as you said uh what not now but uh the next point would be to use that card with the other card and to merge the slide signal with the , well , um the s uh yeah , the synchronization signal coming from the frame grabbing card . It's uh it's it's not a synchronization signal , it's a slide with a t 2069.5 2070.74 2083.2 2084.38 2085.62 2090.36 2093.09 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2080.084 2080.449 2080.16 2080.38 Yep . 2080.38 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2095.667 2097.872 2095.81 2097.67 We we don't have synchronization . 2097.67 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2098.153 2099.73 2098.3 2099.59 Oui oui . Yeah , we will . 2098.49 2098.6 2099.59 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2099.715 2110.139 2099.85 2110.07 We have to find a solution , and for that might be we can use uh direct show , which is a syn which is a technique to synchronize different device . 2101.45 2105.42 2110.07 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2110.119 2113.811 2110.18 2113.66 And is is it external to this card ? It's external ? Or it's i 2112.28 2113.25 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2112.974 2116.547 2113.19 2116.38 No no . This is just uh an application , which i 2113.5 2116.07 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2115.772 2119.798 2115.87 2119.6 So it's external . It's not in this uh card . 2117.11 2119.6 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2118.169 2125.676 2118.33 2125.54 No , no , no , no , no . No . This not on the card . This just an application that runs on the machine . 2118.41 2118.54 2118.87 2119.23 2119.31 2120.44 2121.63 2125.54 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2125.245 2130.708 2125.52 2130.56 And we don't have to buy that ? Or well uh to to uh at least the basic . 2126.97 2130.56 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2127.177 2138.28 2127.29 2138.28 Um f I think direct show you can download for free . I'm I'm not sure . M I should check . Or 2133.27 2135.04 2137.77 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2136.27 2146.723 2136.5 2146.55 Okay . And that will will uh will be will help us to synchronize the this frame grabbing card and this video card . 2137.31 2146.55 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2144.675 2146.83 2144.77 2146.72 Yeah , it m yeah . 2145.18 2146.72 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2148.56 2158.988 2148.74 2158.95 So uh t yeah , we need to do some tests . Reading and yeah . Okay . And then when we have okay . 2150.03 2153.32 2155.17 2156.58 2158.95 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2160.659 2166.431 2160.75 2166.19 Where do we do that ? He we don't know yet with Frank if we install this card maybe here . 2162.18 2166.19 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2165.919 2187.636 2166.02 2187.56 I think the best thing to do is to have a machine just which is only dedicated to to that . Because uh if you if you if you if you use a machine which has been already used for something else sometimes you have plenty of libraries . And so you you don't know exactly . Maybe it would be better to have just a dedicated machine just for that . 2172.72 2181.57 2183.38 2187.56 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2173.584 2176.129 2173.584 2175.66 Okay , and at IDIAP it's possible there . 2174.44 2175.66 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2182.025 2182.648 2182.16 2182.59 Okay . 2182.59 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2187.115 2200.625 2187.21 2200.52 Mm careful because the uh I listened to Frank , and apparently don't want to buy a new machine before we show that this works . So we have to use material that is already available . 2191.04 2197.41 2200.52 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2192.941 2193.5 2193.03 2193.36 Mm-hmm . 2193.36 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2193.465 2194.397 2193.55 2194.397 Just for - IN1014 B MIO020 1 2196.763 2197.362 2196.83 2197.2 Okay . 2197.2 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2200.704 2201.269 2200.77 2201.08 Okay . 2201.08 IN1014 A MIO024 0 2200.933 2205.843 2201.03 2205.56 Yeah , but maybe there are already some machines , you know , uh uh . 2201.23 2203.2 2203.74 2205.56 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2203.635 2206.224 2203.7 2206.224 Maybe there is some free ma machine that is not - IN1014 C MIO016 2 2204.804 2208.371 2204.91 2208.26 Well on my machine , his machine or this machine maybe . 2206.0 2208.26 IN1014 A MIO024 0 2207.291 2207.906 2207.49 2207.906 Uh - IN1014 D MIO031 3 2207.471 2211.052 2207.65 2210.92 Okay , s so it is possible to use other machines actually , yeah . 2208.03 2210.37 2210.92 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2207.881 2208.329 2207.96 2208.08 Mm . 2208.08 IN1014 A MIO024 0 2209.78 2247.621 2209.88 2247.47 Yeah , I mean just that , you know , if of course you don't want to have a c other libraries that may , you know , conflict with the one you are trying to use . At the same time , yo see , if you crash a machine I mean because you are doing some test , you may not want to have what's on your machine I mean to uh to be to be uh de erased or whats whatever . So I think it's so maybe there is a machine I don't know whether for this you need , you know , a very powerful machine and so on . But maybe there is a possibility to use a current machine which is only u yeah , that's is withdrawn from the network or yeah . 2210.16 2211.27 2211.68 2215.12 2215.37 2218.04 2218.76 2219.06 2221.79 2231.19 2236.27 2236.64 2238.57 2244.29 2247.47 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2217.167 2217.682 2217.24 2217.55 Mm-hmm . 2217.55 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2223.435 2223.909 2223.52 2223.83 Yeah . 2223.83 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2225.796 2226.295 2225.87 2226.25 Yeah . 2226.25 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2225.826 2226.25 2225.89 2226.16 Yeah . 2226.16 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2229.663 2230.387 2229.74 2230.13 Okay . 2230.13 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2231.76 2232.592 2231.76 2232.47 issue . 2232.47 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2234.62 2235.03 2234.66 2234.96 Mm . 2234.96 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2241.215 2245.223 2241.34 2245.223 Yeah , yeah . I I Oui . Because 2241.65 2242.2 2244.63 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2241.831 2244.292 2241.91 2244.13 Some of uh some other machine , yeah . 2243.79 2244.13 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2247.666 2269.992 2247.79 2269.992 Because I think um the video is done the video compression is done on the on that card and uh I'm not hundred percent sure , but I think the J_ PEG the J_ PEG conversion for the slide capture is done also on the card . So we don't need 2260.29 2267.95 IN1014 A MIO024 0 2254.151 2254.95 2254.22 2254.79 The card . 2254.79 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2255.255 2255.779 2255.35 2255.74 Mm-hmm . 2255.74 IN1014 A MIO024 0 2270.724 2281.262 2270.83 2281.23 Yeah . But still , I mean even if it's done on the card , you need to basic thing you need to check is um is a bus , right ? I mean the bus writing , I mean the speed of uh the bus . 2271.05 2271.46 2273.09 2277.6 2277.92 2278.98 2281.23 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2278.498 2287.749 2278.65 2287.64 Ah yeah . Yeah . But I mean yeah . I was just thinking about the the speed of the computer could be lower . 2279.8 2280.99 2282.12 2287.64 IN1014 A MIO024 0 2288.164 2291.864 2288.24 2291.71 Yeah , yeah . Yeah , yeah , yeah . So C_P_U_ itself may not be so . 2288.37 2288.53 2288.65 2288.83 2289.29 2291.71 IN1014 A MIO024 0 2293.52 2294.987 2293.56 2294.56 The access , yeah . 2294.23 2294.56 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2294.752 2300.166 2294.97 2299.94 So mm in terms of time what we can think ? 2299.94 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2295.694 2298.471 2295.79 2298.471 So yeah . Uh uh mm . 2296.31 2298.38 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2301.563 2303.388 2301.68 2303.388 When we can expect to see - IN1014 A MIO024 0 2303.446 2307.33 2303.47 2307.33 So can we expect a Christmas uh gift ? Uh 2305.78 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2305.682 2314.819 2305.682 2314.71 Yeah , Christmas two seven . No no . Um yeah , that's good question . 2309.74 2311.1 2312.06 2313.59 2314.71 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2305.874 2307.648 2306.07 2307.36 Christmas gift or - IN1014 D MIO031 3 2309.156 2311.76 2309.27 2311.76 early New Year gift . Uh 2311.32 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2314.744 2339.83 2315.14 2339.74 Maybe a first so solution will be just to start w with . Because we need to start with something . We have the slide capture from Darren . We have um I will work on the video acquisition for the inpu the tape free smart meeting room . So I will start with that to develop some knowledge regarding that board , uh that video board , and after that we can combine both . 2318.89 2321.11 2323.33 2331.07 2336.54 2337.87 2339.74 IN1014 A MIO024 0 2329.007 2329.481 2329.19 2329.43 Mm . 2329.43 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2339.799 2353.259 2339.93 2353.1 But the way of course I'm I I don't know exactly what uh the work involves . So is this uh no that's not that I don't care . But uh I d I don't understand some way exactly . I think the the the real point is when . 2344.69 2347.82 2350.59 2353.1 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2343.328 2351.085 2343.46 2351.0 Yeah , Alexandre did not care too much about the way uh you i no no no , but uh you are more in research . 2343.75 2348.31 2351.0 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2353.382 2364.879 2353.56 2364.879 Mm-hmm . Okay , I said at the beginning of the meeting that mm uh well we're not d doing deadlines . But uh yeah . Mm yeah . No , no . Yeah , yeah , yeah . 2354.74 2355.03 2360.62 2361.5 2362.6 2362.69 2362.89 2363.2 2363.8 2364.42 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2358.374 2389.718 2358.374 2389.64 roughly . I mean I I don't say well no , no , no . I don't wanna put a deadline . Uh but uh given the current uh material we have um mm given your activities because I know that you both are involve in many other things . So it's something that you yeah , as Jean-Marc said , is Christmas and uh so we're happy with the Christmas gift . Or is something that you say is Christmas two thousand six . So I I I definitely just want to know something very rough on when you expect to finish this . 2359.3 2360.91 2361.0 2361.18 2362.49 2372.18 2374.1 2376.13 2379.7 2382.78 2389.64 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2367.438 2368.016 2367.53 2367.98 Mm-hmm . 2367.98 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2369.401 2371.568 2369.61 2371.37 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 2370.99 2371.37 IN1014 A MIO024 0 2391.913 2405.746 2392.03 2405.69 For instance I mean the test of looking at their entry goes point by point . So looking at their code I mean uh so you said you would look at this , right ? Or is it okay . 2396.93 2401.46 2402.25 2405.69 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2396.043 2396.8 2396.16 2396.66 Yeah . 2396.66 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2403.177 2416.544 2403.3 2416.544 Ye well , we would look both at . Because we are also both uh quite busy with other projects of course . Uh e H_F_E_S_ database uh with J_ Ferret uh 2403.96 2405.09 2410.2 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2412.403 2423.06 2412.52 2423.06 That's problem . Uh that's that's a problem . I mean do you think it's something for the very next months ? Do you think it's something for the end of next year ? Do you think sp 2413.08 2414.76 2418.26 2420.46 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2420.933 2422.804 2420.933 2422.72 Okay , this is between both . 2421.6 2422.72 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2421.205 2429.715 2421.56 2429.715 No . For not for no no . This not for end of next year . It's too long . And it it's uh it's too long , it's too long . 2421.92 2423.42 2425.15 2426.69 2428.39 2429.55 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2425.897 2426.953 2426.01 2426.82 Yeah , of course , yeah . 2426.24 2426.64 2426.82 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2426.045 2430.669 2426.1 2430.43 Mm . So is for so half next year . 2427.2 2430.43 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2433.12 2437.093 2433.18 2437.0 So June June June two thousand six . 2437.0 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2433.266 2439.009 2433.35 2438.89 For myself I would like to say uh April , May . April , May we should have results . 2436.66 2437.37 2437.66 2438.89 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2439.563 2443.932 2439.67 2443.74 Re results , what does it mean ? The end of this ? So it works , it doesn't work . 2440.24 2440.94 2442.37 2443.08 2443.74 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2442.811 2445.691 2442.94 2445.691 Uh no no no . Uh I mean the um 2443.72 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2447.24 2455.431 2447.43 2455.21 Uh not al almost uh the uh the the uh the complete application . Maybe some minor will appears . 2452.73 2455.21 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2447.881 2449.237 2448.03 2449.08 Ready to be used . 2449.08 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2453.882 2495.271 2454.31 2495.11 You know , for for me what is important is when it is ready to be use . So when I can say start collecting data , uh I start using . I start playing with this . Basically the process is ready and we can start having our demo . And also because there is a risk that uh we submitted a project , maybe it will be rejected we don't know , but potentially we are going to have a student supposed to work in this . It will be no not before April two thousand six anyway . But uh you know , mm some way we we we we cannot have a students and make him wait one year before he has uh the material to work . So my point is when . 2454.61 2457.66 2461.28 2463.02 2464.07 2467.71 2471.27 2472.94 2477.25 2482.94 2485.46 2493.78 2495.11 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2457.344 2458.624 2457.4 2458.624 Yeah . So uh 2458.26 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2459.872 2460.411 2459.96 2460.32 Data . 2460.32 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2480.414 2481.154 2480.54 2480.99 Mm-hmm . 2480.99 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2484.91 2486.44 2485.03 2486.09 Yeah , we yeah . 2485.45 2486.09 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2488.893 2489.791 2489.08 2489.71 Yeah . 2489.71 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2490.255 2490.662 2490.34 2490.52 Yeah . 2490.52 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2492.793 2493.458 2492.91 2493.28 Mm-hmm . 2493.28 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2493.448 2493.789 2493.53 2493.69 Yeah . 2493.69 IN1014 A MIO024 0 2494.095 2494.777 2494.18 2494.51 'Kay . 2494.51 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2497.026 2506.519 2497.13 2506.37 Reasonably . Uh roughly , I don't don't don't wanna have and it's not a deadlines , oui . But when do you expect to have the system ready to work uh working . Yep . 2497.97 2498.52 2500.99 2501.46 2506.24 2506.37 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2498.74 2499.372 2498.87 2499.24 Mm-hmm . 2499.24 IN1014 A MIO024 0 2499.343 2500.765 2499.43 2500.765 Well uh - IN1014 C MIO016 2 2502.855 2503.712 2503.08 2503.6 Mm-hmm . 2503.6 IN1014 A MIO024 0 2506.053 2524.246 2506.14 2524.09 Because I mean I mean the I_V_C_ system , I mean it's uh i so my feeling is that I mean people have expertise in this , like in Fribourg also . So I mean I don't think it should take a lot of time I mean just to look at this , right . I mean at least one month seems to be uh quite enough for this , right . 2508.8 2513.84 2514.95 2519.21 2519.49 2523.84 2524.09 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2514.647 2515.82 2514.72 2515.64 Yeah , yeah . Uh they have . 2514.91 2515.11 2515.64 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2522.364 2538.144 2522.46 2538.03 Yeah , th it's a yeah . But we start with the I_V_C_ . We start with the data path . Uh the the slide frame grabber . And after that is and the question is how to synchroni to to to make both card working together . 2522.76 2524.07 2525.49 2527.53 2530.51 2538.03 IN1014 A MIO024 0 2529.027 2530.79 2529.14 2530.57 Yeah ? Yeah . 2530.42 2530.57 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2534.733 2535.349 2534.8 2535.27 Mm-hmm . 2535.27 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2537.774 2542.587 2537.9 2541.87 Together . So this seems to be the main problem as far as as I understand . 2538.6 2541.87 IN1014 A MIO024 0 2538.521 2539.078 2538.6 2538.83 Yeah . 2538.83 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2540.265 2540.772 2540.36 2540.64 Yeah . 2540.64 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2541.184 2549.232 2541.38 2549.232 So yeah . Let's see . From fro for checking Darren's code , et cetera we can expect until uh 2542.27 2542.79 2545.61 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2550.723 2566.338 2550.82 2566.338 And yeah , for o one months or so , then uh the uh the i uh I_V_C_ uh w with the people at Fribourg have uh yeah , okay , so uh at Fribourg we we have 2551.51 2553.94 2561.73 2562.11 IN1014 A MIO024 0 2553.86 2554.367 2554.03 2554.21 Yeah . 2554.21 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2557.61 2561.552 2557.79 2561.41 Uh I_V_C_ I_V_C_ should go faster . 2561.41 IN1014 A MIO024 0 2561.742 2574.287 2561.87 2573.97 Yeah . Because anyway , this is what you are working on , right ? Is the I_V_C_ , but using the signals that are coming I mean so basically it's using the I_V_C_ okay . 2563.52 2564.13 2565.31 2566.01 2567.29 2573.97 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2571.15 2579.045 2571.19 2579.045 Yeah . I will uh I'm not currently working on it . I will start to work on January on that point . So uh but I think 2571.57 2573.59 2577.19 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2574.694 2575.342 2574.81 2575.04 Mm-hmm . 2575.04 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2577.325 2580.823 2577.42 2580.57 Okay . And then the direct show . Or yeah . 2577.87 2580.04 2580.57 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2578.913 2579.435 2578.97 2579.33 Mm-hmm . 2579.33 IN1014 A MIO024 0 2579.54 2581.79 2579.65 2581.5 Okay , so currently you are not working on this . 2579.81 2581.5 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2581.257 2582.587 2581.41 2582.51 No no . I'm not working . 2581.72 2582.51 IN1014 A MIO024 0 2583.473 2584.803 2583.51 2584.803 Okay , then we need 2583.92 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2583.954 2588.153 2584.07 2587.85 I schedule to to work on that from m - IN1014 C MIO016 2 2587.25 2590.298 2587.37 2590.17 So we can say we try to to make something for April . 2590.17 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2590.312 2592.549 2590.43 2592.18 Yeah . But I have also a que 2591.23 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2591.37 2627.119 2591.65 2627.03 Uh make something re that you are using very vague expression . Result , make something . Just just uh just tell me when it is ready . And if you think it's it's not before uh but but must be reasonable I m I mean if you think it will be not before December two thousand six , say December two thousand six . So don't try to tell me March or April i w if you already know that it is unrealistic to say that . Must be realistic . you say June two thousand six we know it is June two thousand six . Uh I know . 2594.61 2595.34 2597.44 2600.99 2609.34 2611.34 2618.11 2618.77 2623.37 2627.03 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2591.791 2603.608 2591.86 2603.47 But uh well I I want this to to work in the for the time uh in the mm-hmm . Mm . 2600.24 2603.47 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2599.895 2600.386 2599.95 2600.19 Mayb - IN1014 C MIO016 2 2607.856 2608.432 2607.856 2608.3 Mm . 2608.3 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2617.085 2617.775 2617.23 2617.5 Mm-hmm . 2617.5 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2622.511 2643.356 2622.91 2643.22 But I would like to say uh there is many unknown in that project . But I would like to say we can make uh uh a schedule of that project to just to track to just to see if we track the time table . If we don't we we asks for more people , maybe H_E_V_S_ people , to to to be slightly involved in that project , to be to to respect the date . 2626.61 2634.31 2637.0 2638.31 2641.35 2643.22 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2623.701 2624.968 2623.9 2624.79 Uh i mm-hmm . 2624.79 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2627.101 2627.833 2627.27 2627.833 The - IN1014 D MIO031 3 2628.756 2631.202 2628.89 2631.202 Sure . Sure . But 2629.96 2630.55 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2630.352 2630.943 2630.45 2630.68 Mm-hmm . 2630.68 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2633.522 2634.164 2633.69 2634.03 Mm-hmm . 2634.03 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2635.787 2636.369 2635.93 2636.26 Mm-hmm . 2636.26 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2636.395 2636.91 2636.46 2636.77 Mm-hmm . 2636.77 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2640.229 2643.231 2640.229 2643.16 O one student or yeah . 2643.16 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2642.382 2682.075 2642.382 2681.76 Yeah . Well but there is no day to respect . It's just to know I mean and if you can have early early warnings in the sense that if you see that there is a major uh problem somewhere . But is just to know in the sense that really uh this p this mm thing has been stop now for quite a long time . Uh uh it n it took a long time to decide what kind of material . Now we have it . It's something that uh is a pretty good idea . We see that other people are working , et cetera . We are going to lose it some way if uh if we don't put some and very honestly yeah . 2643.7 2645.7 2653.95 2662.81 2666.12 2667.17 2670.81 2672.29 2673.78 2681.76 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2645.786 2646.409 2645.96 2646.32 Yeah . N 2646.18 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2651.86 2652.433 2651.99 2652.32 Mm-hmm . 2652.32 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2661.93 2662.438 2662.06 2662.3 Yeah . 2662.3 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2662.045 2662.602 2662.08 2662.56 Mm-hmm . 2662.56 IN1014 A MIO024 0 2676.291 2704.472 2676.41 2704.39 Yeah , that that's that's so that's one of the issue I mean that uh maybe uh,I don't know w whether you realise , but of course if we have this in two years , maybe okay , it's good we have it . But of course it's it's on the it's too long I mean in terms of in term of research , in terms uh maybe even in terms of innovation I mean if you think about this , which is , you know , what uh they said . I mean he was speaking about innovation . This is probably one , an innovation . 2676.63 2684.9 2687.16 2687.61 2688.45 2693.42 2698.06 2698.53 2699.04 2700.49 2702.1 2703.24 2704.39 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2676.552 2678.618 2676.8 2678.618 And we can ask help uh - IN1014 C MIO016 2 2680.314 2680.938 2680.48 2680.75 Mm-hmm . 2680.75 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2688.659 2694.841 2688.659 2694.56 I it's too late in terms of research uh mm . 2694.56 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2689.227 2690.2 2689.42 2690.03 It's too long . 2690.03 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2689.68 2692.374 2689.88 2692.374 I i it'll it'll not be - IN1014 C MIO016 2 2696.329 2697.054 2696.38 2696.74 Mm-hmm . 2696.74 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2696.457 2696.792 2696.58 2696.72 No . 2696.72 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2700.489 2701.254 2700.61 2701.13 Mm-hmm . 2701.13 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2702.415 2703.978 2702.5 2703.82 This is innovation , yeah . 2703.54 2703.82 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2704.269 2704.668 2704.34 2704.56 Yeah . 2704.56 IN1014 A MIO024 0 2704.472 2739.334 2704.66 2739.334 And the the I know I'm we we see quite well why is working on this , right . But in two years , you know , if we want to do if we want to build a C_T_I_ or transfer technology and something like this , you know , maybe you c of course , okay , people will say yeah , but there is already something that people have started to put on the market and so on . So it maybe not the it's it's too late uh to to do it . So I think this is really so this is one of the points , respect to research of course , it's I think it's going to appear more more and more , and uh 2709.19 2709.97 2711.2 2711.51 2717.46 2717.68 2718.7 2718.89 2719.75 2724.04 2728.5 2732.09 2734.54 2738.31 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2705.852 2706.426 2705.93 2706.39 Mm . 2706.39 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2721.701 2722.3 2721.8 2722.19 Yeah , yeah . 2722.0 2722.19 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2723.482 2724.073 2723.59 2723.77 Yeah . 2723.77 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2737.258 2786.406 2737.56 2785.97 Uh you know in a sense I never tried for example eventually to ask for one person dedicated to this because I always had the feeling that you are very interested , you wanted to do it , it's something you some way you uh I mean it seems to be something that is interesting to you . But uh if you have not the time and the possibility to do it because you you both are involved in many other things , we can eventually try to ask to have one person , to involve one person that will be dedicated strictly to this . We can try . I mean we can ask uh uh in the sense that if it is a priority for IDIAP so far we would get very good signals from that point of view , I I don't know . But uh please , if you think you don't have the time or the energy to do it , uh or it involves too many things that you cannot keep under control given the other things you have to do , 2746.08 2747.02 2753.65 2760.3 2763.32 2766.27 2766.88 2773.81 2775.25 2776.8 2780.58 2785.97 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2743.413 2744.053 2743.52 2743.71 Hmm . 2743.71 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2751.36 2751.967 2751.45 2751.86 Mm-hmm . 2751.86 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2752.793 2753.317 2752.9 2753.21 Mm-hmm . 2753.21 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2758.155 2758.704 2758.23 2758.65 Mm-hmm . 2758.65 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2763.748 2764.164 2763.79 2763.96 Hmm . 2763.96 IN1014 A MIO024 0 2767.32 2767.819 2767.46 2767.67 Yeah . 2767.67 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2771.565 2772.147 2771.69 2771.98 Mm-hmm . 2771.98 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2779.792 2780.332 2779.9 2780.22 Mm-hmm . 2780.22 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2786.406 2841.264 2786.91 2841.03 uh don't think that okay , something nice we we can wait or sooner or later it will happen . Uh yeah . Exactly . So I think it's the moment uh for you to really realise try to to have a realistic uh date . And if you think there are too many things that you risk to lose control , uh tell it now . And we can try to say well we want to do it , but uh basically Mael and Olivier were the person mm-hmm . No , no . But but you can be involve in a different way . I mean you can eventually have uh a supervision role in the sense that you think that I I know how to do it , I like to do it , but I have no time . Because at a certain point it's a matter of time . We can try to to ask . Uh but uh please just don't keep this as a kind of thing , yeah , I like to do it , I like it , it's nice , et cetera . 2788.43 2794.19 2796.79 2797.9 2804.75 2810.19 2811.2 2813.35 2819.95 2820.03 2820.12 2821.97 2827.34 2828.25 2829.94 2832.24 2834.88 2838.05 2838.19 2838.94 2839.86 2840.45 2841.03 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2790.796 2800.976 2790.94 2800.976 No no no no . We understand that you we cannot wait uh we were here one year ago uh , I don't know , and also when it's was uh going uh the idea was appearing and 2791.73 2795.56 2796.02 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2802.531 2803.229 2802.61 2803.16 Mm-hmm . 2803.16 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2811.302 2811.851 2811.49 2811.72 Mm-hmm . 2811.72 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2813.647 2814.137 2813.75 2814.09 Mm-hmm . 2814.09 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2815.318 2815.858 2815.36 2815.79 Mm-hmm . 2815.79 IN1014 A MIO024 0 2816.007 2816.68 2816.13 2816.57 Mm . 2816.57 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2816.728 2823.11 2816.9 2822.87 Okay . Personally I want to be involve in that project . A acquisi uh some mm . 2817.33 2819.84 2822.87 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2825.031 2825.862 2825.26 2825.8 Mm . 2825.8 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2829.266 2829.915 2829.36 2829.76 Mm-hmm . 2829.76 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2832.023 2832.606 2832.11 2832.48 Mm-hmm . 2832.48 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2832.095 2832.619 2832.18 2832.49 Mm-hmm . 2832.49 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2838.221 2840.549 2838.43 2840.36 Yeah , yeah . Yeah . 2839.66 2840.13 2840.36 IN1014 A MIO024 0 2840.062 2854.724 2840.18 2854.55 Yeah . Because when when you say here now no , I'm not going to start to working on this before January , for me this surprises me to some extent , you know , I'm uh I thought I mean you would you would be working on this . So if you say okay , now it's uh yeah . 2840.84 2843.49 2845.93 2847.72 2847.94 2851.41 2852.42 2854.55 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2847.779 2848.207 2847.87 2848.11 Yeah . 2848.11 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2851.672 2857.908 2852.15 2857.81 Yeah . But uh at the same time I have some other project I I want to finish uh those project first . 2852.32 2857.81 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2856.921 2864.363 2856.99 2864.14 Yeah , bu but but here you have to take a responsibility . You can't say I like to do it and but then ah but I will do it when I can . 2857.15 2860.21 2864.14 IN1014 A MIO024 0 2860.387 2861.548 2860.52 2861.33 No , uh oui . 2860.63 2861.33 IN1014 A MIO024 0 2863.111 2886.44 2863.34 2886.01 No , I mean the point is that Olivier will r you have I mean s since one year uh you have always been saying that you want to be involved in this and so on . So it seems that it has never been a priority . So that that's uh that's the point . So if you have no time to put priority at some points and this seems to have been the case during one year on this project , I mean you need to say it now . I mean that's the point now . 2863.6 2870.78 2873.22 2874.71 2881.9 2883.84 2886.01 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2864.886 2865.445 2865.27 2865.33 Mm . 2865.33 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2873.608 2874.397 2873.68 2874.2 Exactly . 2874.2 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2883.728 2905.416 2883.98 2905.416 But for example , I have uh I receive some new project . I said that I have no time yet . I say I have no time gi now currently I um I say some for some project you say that you don't have time . But people will stay will continue to say no no , you will find time just to do that project . The 2884.96 2887.39 2889.68 2898.57 2901.41 2905.01 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2883.909 2884.458 2884.13 2884.39 Mm . 2884.39 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2890.569 2893.08 2890.73 2892.97 Mm-hmm . Uh yeah yeah yeah. . 2891.09 2892.97 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2892.62 2893.185 2892.66 2893.03 Mm-hmm . 2893.03 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2894.269 2896.218 2894.3 2896.02 Okay , this is yeah . 2894.75 2896.02 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2900.764 2901.323 2900.93 2901.25 No , no . 2901.05 2901.25 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2903.61 2916.245 2903.74 2916.11 Okay so now is your responsibility to say I cannot find time . If you can't find time , you have to say it now . And this is also for you . I mean i it's not an accusation . We we are all in the same condition . 2908.36 2909.29 2910.66 2912.55 2914.36 2916.11 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2904.035 2904.63 2904.12 2904.53 Mm-hmm . 2904.53 IN1014 A MIO024 0 2905.125 2906.816 2905.26 2906.816 So this is Franck - IN1014 A MIO024 0 2911.075 2954.013 2911.22 2953.78 At least uh say this to us and we'll see uh with Franck . And again , I mean this is a question . So now you are saying you have no time . So now you say to us . So now we understand and we are maybe after , when we if we discuss with Franck uh Franck Crittin or uh uh Frank uh Formaz and we'll see okay and go and try to see . Okay apparently uh he has no time to to work on this . So we think it's important and we'd like to to do something . So what kind of solution , as Alexandre mentions , i do we need to take somebody , do we want to do we need to take some intern to work on this , uh and so on and so on . Do we take to have uh somebody uh for contract , even if it's not an intern but take somebody for six months to work on this . 2915.03 2915.54 2916.78 2918.5 2920.72 2923.14 2930.11 2934.98 2937.6 2938.69 2940.27 2942.03 2945.68 2947.05 2949.78 2953.78 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2911.52 2912.418 2911.72 2912.38 Hmm . 2912.38 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2924.876 2925.383 2924.99 2925.32 Mm-hmm . 2925.32 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2939.406 2940.237 2939.52 2940.12 Exactly . 2940.12 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2942.286 2942.911 2942.37 2942.79 Mm-hmm . 2942.79 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2949.379 2949.828 2949.48 2949.76 Mm-hmm . 2949.76 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2949.507 2950.29 2949.68 2950.12 Mm-hmm . 2950.12 IN1014 A MIO024 0 2954.013 2978.746 2954.41 2978.746 I mean but so this a point . I mean uh y I don't know about the other projects you have to do . I don't know with who you are discussing about the time you are you can s uh s spend on each of the project . But if y because now you are just telling us you have no time indeed to work on this , right ? Okay , so so okay . Yeah , but I mean c it's yeah , but 2956.53 2960.74 2967.14 2971.44 2972.72 2973.16 2975.79 2975.99 2978.17 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2961.545 2962.029 2961.57 2961.88 Mm-hmm . 2961.88 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2966.613 2967.211 2966.68 2967.14 Mm-hmm . 2967.14 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2971.712 2972.136 2971.76 2972.02 Yeah . 2972.02 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2972.641 2973.125 2972.76 2973.02 Mm-hmm . 2973.02 IN1014 D MIO031 3 2973.043 2973.751 2973.13 2973.67 S s - IN1014 B MIO020 1 2973.714 2991.657 2973.714 2991.657 Currently but uh up to December I don't have time to work on it . But I plan already . I I um with I_M_ two I I I did uh I mention that I will have from January two thousand six I will have time for that . Uh I have a 2978.77 2980.03 2990.47 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2981.789 2984.284 2981.92 2983.96 With I_M_ two , I_P_ one . Mm-hmm . 2982.75 2983.81 2983.96 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2990.928 2994.107 2991.06 2993.97 Fifty percent on on I_M_ two , that's it . 2993.67 2993.97 IN1014 B MIO020 1 2994.158 3000.278 2994.26 3000.24 No , I will work fully on that on this point . From January two thousand six I wi 2994.52 2997.97 IN1014 C MIO016 2 2999.752 3004.755 2999.85 3004.68 It's fifty percent , no ? On I_M_ two I_P_ one ? Okay , maybe in fifty percent uh on that . 3001.02 3001.24 3002.47 3002.77 3004.68 IN1014 D MIO031 3 3005.499 3022.257 3005.66 3022.13 So let me pose the question very broadly . Do you think that we have a person that has this will help you ? We can ask , we can try to ask maybe if some person for six months so that your role is simply to help and advise . 3007.75 3014.8 3015.42 3022.13 IN1014 C MIO016 2 3008.751 3009.349 3008.91 3009.15 Mm-hmm . 3009.15 IN1014 C MIO016 2 3022.049 3022.814 3022.25 3022.68 Mm-hmm . 3022.68 IN1014 D MIO031 3 3024.86 3026.049 3024.97 3025.95 We can try to ask . 3025.95 IN1014 C MIO016 2 3024.859 3046.865 3024.99 3046.72 Why this was , yeah , mo yeah w I don't want to talk too much maybe . Uh but uh with Sebastien , sorry this was maybe uh his concern . And yeah , Bastien is busy with uh annotations plus all kind of things . Uh maybe we can in the process we can ask for 3025.6 3026.02 3028.4 3030.05 3034.95 3035.66 3040.95 IN1014 D MIO031 3 3043.869 3044.418 3043.98 3044.418 I mean - IN1014 C MIO016 2 3049.755 3050.869 3049.85 3050.82 someone more . 3050.82 IN1014 B MIO020 1 3052.4 3064.94 3052.54 3064.33 Maybe a good thing will be to make a plan to to we say we we won't set the deadline here . We are here . We split that part in different segments . Uh y 3059.16 3060.23 3063.54 IN1014 C MIO016 2 3052.571 3053.738 3052.9 3053.68 To work on that . 3053.68 IN1014 C MIO016 2 3056.183 3058.212 3056.38 3058.212 Well uh uh that's what I I was - IN1014 D MIO031 3 3057.108 3057.965 3057.108 3057.108 . 3057.108 IN1014 D MIO031 3 3058.226 3060.164 3058.29 3060.164 S - IN1014 C MIO016 2 3060.324 3060.809 3060.6 3060.77 Y - IN1014 C MIO016 2 3062.987 3087.904 3063.23 3087.86 That's what I was trying to do and I before coming here I just tried to to make uh uh a plan . But I don't answer , yeah . W well the let's say uh April O_ six and uh we do uh our best with uh trying to keep you inform with the advancements . And if we see early that clearly uh there i 3071.2 3072.34 3073.14 3084.04 IN1014 D MIO031 3 3068.91 3075.813 3069.04 3075.58 I'm sorry , but you still don't answer to my my question . You are not answering my question . Yeah . 3069.35 3072.79 3075.41 3075.58 IN1014 B MIO020 1 3074.333 3074.997 3074.44 3074.69 Yeah . 3074.69 IN1014 D MIO031 3 3086.806 3104.501 3086.98 3104.42 Let me pose again the question very clearly . If I go to Herve , I can try and say we are in this situation apparently . Why don't we take one person three months , six months , four months that directly advised by Olivier and uh and we can speed up . 3089.12 3090.46 3094.72 3098.05 3098.64 3104.42 IN1014 C MIO016 2 3093.872 3094.438 3093.92 3094.36 Mm-hmm . 3094.36 IN1014 C MIO016 2 3102.506 3109.05 3102.58 3109.05 And it should be someone with experience in C_ plus plus M_F_C_ . Uh 3107.46 IN1014 D MIO031 3 3108.211 3114.649 3108.29 3114.6 Consider that it can be difficult of course to find them et cetera and so on . Do you think it's an option ? 3113.1 3114.6 IN1014 C MIO016 2 3111.783 3113.861 3112.01 3113.81 Yeah . Or a student . 3112.86 3113.81 IN1014 A MIO024 0 3111.901 3137.938 3112.1 3137.62 Well I mean uh I mean you have people that are aware of uh M_F_C_ , I mean I mean people uh I suppose at H_U_V_ there are some people uh where I was in Le Mans in the U_ B_ uh I mean there uh would be obviously some some students uh that would be aware of and that could be able to handle this . I mean they are working with software and hard both our software and hardware . Uh I'm I'm sure the s se 3117.61 3131.07 3135.51 IN1014 D MIO031 3 3116.386 3116.927 3116.47 3116.8 Mm-hmm . 3116.8 IN1014 C MIO016 2 3117.849 3118.423 3117.92 3118.28 Mm-hmm . 3118.28 IN1014 D MIO031 3 3120.336 3124.254 3120.41 3124.05 At each . Yeah , I think there are people yeah . 3120.95 3121.23 3124.05 IN1014 B MIO020 1 3121.003 3122.533 3121.13 3122.4 Yeah , the yeah . 3121.58 3122.4 IN1014 C MIO016 2 3123.694 3124.318 3123.79 3124.26 Mm-hmm . 3124.26 IN1014 C MIO016 2 3131.194 3131.71 3131.29 3131.61 Mm-hmm . 3131.61 IN1014 C MIO016 2 3134.704 3135.244 3134.77 3135.14 Mm-hmm . 3135.14 IN1014 D MIO031 3 3135.32 3166.966 3135.48 3166.58 Do you think it's a reasonable option ? Do you think it's something that uh can help you ? Because that's just a matter of responsibility for you guys to but there is nothing bad if you say you have other things to do . Because we are all uh full of work . This is something that is added on the top . Uh if you don't have time you don't have time , guys . I mean this is uh but please just tell me . We will find the time however . So April O_ six you will have your system . Or no we are not sure . We don't really know . 3137.41 3140.93 3146.65 3148.34 3152.41 3153.89 3154.16 3158.97 3161.25 3163.89 3165.71 3166.58 IN1014 C MIO016 2 3151.806 3152.347 3151.88 3152.25 Mm-hmm . 3152.25 IN1014 D MIO031 3 3166.966 3209.463 3167.47 3209.35 Uh it can happen that we don't . We don't know what you are going to find on the way . Maybe we think it takes one week and then it takes one month . Uh w we don't know . Uh maybe we will s we wi will not able to be continuous . Because one of the wrongest thing is to work one week , then one month , no , et cetera . That's it's something that breaks . I mean difficult , huh ? Mm so that's the point . So that which doesn't mean you are excluded f from the thing in the sense that in any case someone will ask will have to advise the person eventually . And it can't be him , it can't be me . It can be you that basically follow , advise , helps . But at least the mass of the work will be done by someone else that can spend a hundred percent of time on that . 3169.21 3172.19 3174.71 3176.59 3179.18 3181.59 3182.2 3182.47 3183.31 3184.45 3185.33 3185.82 3187.84 3196.38 3197.62 3198.37 3200.26 3200.9 3201.5 3209.35 IN1014 B MIO020 1 3175.595 3176.119 3175.69 3176.05 Mm-hmm . 3176.05 IN1014 B MIO020 1 3182.894 3183.493 3182.93 3183.35 Mm-hmm . 3183.35 IN1014 C MIO016 2 3182.78 3183.458 3182.93 3183.36 Mm-hmm . 3183.36 IN1014 C MIO016 2 3190.394 3191.359 3190.52 3191.02 No , no , no . 3190.7 3190.91 3191.02 IN1014 C MIO016 2 3192.878 3193.385 3192.96 3193.15 Mm-hmm . 3193.15 IN1014 D MIO031 3 3209.463 3262.699 3209.85 3262.6 Now it's not even guaranteed in the sense that I can ask this . I can say that well this is the situation and uh you are . Or eventually yeah , someone can say okay now this become your priority . Forget about everything else and go with that . I don't know . Or will tell you okay , uh January two thousand six , but from January two thousand six you do nothing else than this . You know , w we can find the time , whether it is your time , whether it is the time of someone else . But uh I really would like to stop with this because this has been for several months that you say we like , we want . And I'm sure , I believe you . But then it is always something that must be done outside uh the uh normal activity . Um I'm uh I'm sorry . Yeah . But but uh otherwise I mean , as you say , to do it in two years p 3213.44 3219.34 3220.43 3223.07 3225.25 3226.93 3228.69 3229.87 3233.67 3233.96 3235.53 3236.84 3239.71 3245.6 3246.07 3247.05 3248.32 3255.95 3256.91 3257.45 3260.38 3261.14 IN1014 C MIO016 2 3212.99 3213.622 3213.09 3213.47 Mm-hmm . 3213.47 IN1014 C MIO016 2 3214.121 3214.531 3214.24 3214.34 Hmm . 3214.34 IN1014 B MIO020 1 3234.143 3234.533 3234.143 3234.43 No . 3234.43 IN1014 B MIO020 1 3251.642 3259.857 3251.82 3259.71 No , no , no . Yeah . Yeah . Which is really bad . Yeah . I I understand exactly . Yeah , yeah , yeah . No , I understand . Yeah . 3252.01 3252.21 3252.49 3253.44 3254.51 3255.29 3255.66 3256.87 3257.06 3257.26 3257.49 3257.71 3259.52 3259.71 IN1014 C MIO016 2 3253.802 3254.212 3253.802 3254.212 . 3254.212 IN1014 C MIO016 2 3258.568 3259.2 3258.88 3259.13 Mm-hmm . 3259.13 IN1014 B MIO020 1 3263.388 3264.161 3263.56 3264.08 Yeah , yeah . 3263.78 3264.08 IN1014 D MIO031 3 3265.445 3274.625 3265.87 3274.47 So what do you think ? You like that I try to to to solve this problem and try to say that there is a time problem and you don't have the time to do it ? 3267.28 3274.47 IN1014 B MIO020 1 3266.238 3266.846 3266.37 3266.846 What - IN1014 A MIO024 0 3275.398 3284.282 3275.56 3284.22 Because uh so so Olivier says it's not before January on his side . So I'm not sure about uh on your side , whe what's your yeah . 3279.85 3281.63 3284.22 IN1014 C MIO016 2 3282.182 3290.014 3282.27 3289.88 Well I would like to to to work on p kind of part time uh uh w o yeah . Yeah . 3289.54 3289.88 IN1014 A MIO024 0 3286.718 3289.753 3286.9 3289.63 Like what ? One day a week , uh something like this ? 3287.48 3288.78 3289.63 IN1014 C MIO016 2 3291.471 3329.924 3291.64 3329.85 And one full day a week . And I would okay , maybe you won't like my answer but I would say that um we ch we we start but we h we really have to start on working wi uh reading all the code from Darren . Then this um card with the code , I_V_C_ card , and to to try this . Then we try a little bit direct show to see um uh to to have an idea of how how long uh that could be . And then at the moment we can say okay we need someone to help us . 3293.34 3295.31 3307.11 3311.32 3312.28 3314.67 3325.83 3329.85 IN1014 D MIO031 3 3329.872 3334.705 3329.98 3334.705 Okay . But that can be . But uh 3330.66 3333.43 IN1014 B MIO020 1 3331.4 3343.818 3331.42 3343.66 Yeah . But I think yeah , that will be good , just to have a plan and to have some deadline in that plan . And as soon as we we we as soon as we we we are not in time , we we we con 3331.97 3332.9 3333.59 3336.96 3342.67 IN1014 A MIO024 0 3332.239 3332.686 3332.26 3332.686 But - IN1014 C MIO016 2 3336.927 3340.561 3337.03 3340.23 Well , w uh let's do that . Let's do that . Okay . Fo 3337.28 3338.38 3339.0 3339.84 IN1014 A MIO024 0 3341.806 3395.96 3341.97 3395.7 Because uh because there are there are several issues I would say . Like if there would be a machine like this , with the two cards separated as I mention . I mean if we record le the flow of the video for instance and the snap-shots from the slides to some extent there is some possibility of doing some automatic alignment without having a special , you know , synchron so this means that to some extent we could have a device which would not yet be fully synchronized and , I don't know , we've uh you know very well done uh code in terms of sending signals and so on . But that might be sufficient , because I mean it synchronize up to , don't know , five seconds . And you would say five seconds may seem a lot for audio and video . But maybe f respect to slides and the rest is not is something that may be tolerable . So still we would be able to start doing some recordings and maybe uh doing even the automatic alignment , or at least we would have an idea about , 3344.54 3346.17 3348.37 3358.47 3358.72 3365.67 3366.34 3371.82 3373.31 3377.02 3377.65 3378.79 3381.76 3387.77 3393.99 3395.7 IN1014 D MIO031 3 3376.867 3379.018 3377.0 3378.82 Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . 3377.75 3378.67 3378.82 IN1014 D MIO031 3 3384.298 3386.825 3384.49 3386.64 It can be tolerable , yeah . Yeah . 3385.53 3386.36 3386.64 IN1014 D MIO031 3 3390.238 3391.36 3390.34 3391.23 Exactly . 3391.23 IN1014 A MIO024 0 3395.96 3456.578 3396.21 3456.45 you know , what are the problems in terms of alignments . Uh do do because it's not like with microphone arrays where you would need micro-second alignments , of course . Uh or even maybe with we want video where it may be one or two frames , I don't know . So this is really some somehow I mean the uh the the issue , I mean I'm sure that there are plenty of possibilities to do things . And the goal would be that indeed we could start uh rec doing some of the recordings of the time so that indeed we would already we uh we would have uh something where uh we could uh start getting the data . Because after , I mean even if it there , we cannot put all the times in one week , right . I mean so and uh so I mean this is uh this is one of the issue as well , which is to have it so that we can play and we can make a nice demo and so on with the full uh thing and something . So f the other part is to have a system which from which we can already record data and with some approximation . 3396.49 3398.53 3403.98 3404.9 3408.68 3409.44 3414.21 3417.54 3432.46 3433.17 3434.18 3436.04 3436.27 3442.47 3449.35 3456.45 IN1014 B MIO020 1 3403.549 3404.007 3403.62 3403.85 Yeah . 3403.85 IN1014 D MIO031 3 3412.117 3413.514 3412.16 3413.34 It's a very good idea , yeah . 3413.08 3413.34 IN1014 B MIO020 1 3424.807 3427.16 3424.94 3427.16 Yeah , and to improve the system like 3425.22 IN1014 D MIO031 3 3426.794 3427.353 3426.88 3427.18 Mm-hmm . 3427.18 IN1014 B MIO020 1 3429.682 3430.197 3429.75 3430.11 Mm-hmm . 3430.11 IN1014 B MIO020 1 3436.9 3437.341 3437.0 3437.27 Yeah . 3437.27 IN1014 D MIO031 3 3438.189 3438.636 3438.26 3438.54 Mm-hmm . 3438.54 IN1014 C MIO016 2 3446.446 3446.931 3446.59 3446.75 Mm-hmm . 3446.75 IN1014 A MIO024 0 3456.578 3492.406 3456.79 3492.406 And I have the feeling , given the descriptions that you made , that to have such a system wouldn't require a six months of work because basically their own code is there to some extent and uh the I_V_C_ is something quite standard from which we could ask I mean even we could even pay maybe pro some people from Fribourg , I don't know , I mean to come here and to and to help us with the installation on a computer and uh and uh to to to get the so I have more the feeling that this is something that could be done almost in one month . Again , I'm not speaking about the synchronization I mean as 3457.76 3459.34 3474.86 3475.41 3488.46 3489.17 IN1014 B MIO020 1 3456.699 3457.181 3456.79 3457.01 Yeah . 3457.01 IN1014 B MIO020 1 3475.418 3475.833 3475.47 3475.7 Yeah . 3475.7 IN1014 C MIO016 2 3478.052 3480.538 3478.14 3480.43 Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm , yeah . 3479.72 3480.01 3480.43 IN1014 C MIO016 2 3480.816 3481.3 3480.95 3481.3 To - IN1014 C MIO016 2 3491.686 3505.393 3491.76 3505.29 So without direct show you mean the frame grabbing signal and time alignment ? Uh wi that would be done uh in like in common software that we have uh afterwards ? 3497.0 3505.29 IN1014 D MIO031 3 3491.882 3492.399 3492.0 3492.24 Yep . 3492.24 IN1014 A MIO024 0 3493.82 3497.15 3493.94 3497.04 Yeah , I mean the two yeah , yeah . 3494.22 3496.68 3497.04 IN1014 B MIO020 1 3497.005 3498.344 3497.22 3498.344 Yeah . And we 3497.51 IN1014 A MIO024 0 3503.377 3510.766 3503.48 3510.54 Yeah , the for instance a simple question maybe you can are we sure that it can work on a single computer ? I don't know . 3503.71 3509.49 3510.54 IN1014 A MIO024 0 3514.58 3546.846 3514.67 3546.78 I don't know . I mean is there any uh issues with respect to this ? So this is yeah . So it doesn't require it it's more testing it does not require so for this we I mean if you put the two cards on the computer , you put the two then you you basically you say play on the both sides and you look whether at the end you have uh a recorded signals which is is is uh the time that it should uh be and uh or whether I mean the fact that whenever I mean the slides is doing some uh processing uh it there is some and there is some frame drops or things like this . 3515.27 3518.41 3520.73 3527.05 3546.78 IN1014 C MIO016 2 3515.691 3520.855 3515.79 3520.73 Okay th and this point is about testing and uh yeah . Okay . 3520.37 3520.73 IN1014 D MIO031 3 3517.396 3521.803 3517.62 3521.803 Uh i no . Let me 3520.7 IN1014 B MIO020 1 3537.451 3537.859 3537.54 3537.76 Yeah . 3537.76 IN1014 B MIO020 1 3545.927 3546.263 3546.0 3546.18 Yeah . 3546.18 IN1014 C MIO016 2 3546.079 3564.668 3546.17 3564.62 So you could say okay , let's for Christmas let's try this without the all the synchronization . Uh with direct show issue . Okay oh yeah , you are you cannot or o l uh by doing one one day a week , mm you know just I think the cards . 3547.88 3553.13 3555.12 3555.8 3561.41 3564.62 IN1014 A MIO024 0 3549.783 3550.798 3549.8 3550.798 So this is uh - IN1014 B MIO020 1 3555.866 3556.348 3555.97 3556.2 Yeah . 3556.2 IN1014 D MIO031 3 3564.697 3570.012 3565.19 3570.012 That seems to me clear . Until January is uh is busy . So 3566.26 3568.72 IN1014 B MIO020 1 3567.188 3583.681 3567.33 3583.681 Yeah . Uh if I if I say until January this is just to finish . Uh I want to have the deadline at end of December to finish all my project . I want to finish all these project when everything is finished . After that I can move to another one . But I don't want to 3567.81 3571.22 3576.39 3580.02 3582.37 IN1014 C MIO016 2 3576.838 3577.437 3576.91 3577.29 Okay . 3577.29 IN1014 A MIO024 0 3577.608 3577.944 3577.69 3577.72 Ah . 3577.72 IN1014 D MIO031 3 3578.942 3593.077 3578.97 3592.95 So yeah . Just to go to a conclusion , because apparently yeah . So it can't work uh yeah , exactly . Can't work uh until January . So it's up to you . It's up to you to evaluate , yeah . 3579.81 3581.03 3583.89 3586.03 3586.47 3589.45 3590.5 3592.69 3592.95 IN1014 A MIO024 0 3582.267 3582.677 3582.29 3582.55 Mm-hmm . 3582.55 IN1014 C MIO016 2 3584.181 3586.435 3584.3 3586.22 Anyway , the recording is finished , I think . 3584.76 3585.96 3586.22 IN1014 B MIO020 1 3585.909 3586.466 3586.09 3586.35 Yeah . 3586.35 IN1014 C MIO016 2 3586.57 3586.831 3586.59 3586.76 Yeah . 3586.76 IN1014 B MIO020 1 3588.354 3589.119 3588.5 3589.06 No . No . 3588.81 3589.06 IN1014 C MIO016 2 3588.798 3609.032 3589.04 3609.032 So I try my best until January . And um and I try to do what Jean-Marc uh described to give you a first feedback on the different cards . Uh and uh and from there it would m yeah . 3593.27 3603.88 3608.8 IN1014 D MIO031 3 3598.562 3599.095 3598.63 3598.98 Mm-hmm . 3598.98 IN1014 D MIO031 3 3611.132 3621.675 3611.24 3621.54 And then we d make a decision in the sense whether you continue working or we try to find the time in a different way or we try to eliminate your other priorities you're under . Hmm ? 3621.3 3621.54 IN1014 C MIO016 2 3612.7 3613.191 3612.75 3613.03 Yeah . 3613.03 IN1014 C MIO016 2 3615.025 3615.649 3615.11 3615.4 Yeah . 3615.4 IN1014 C MIO016 2 3620.613 3621.228 3620.72 3621.04 Mm-hmm . 3621.04 IN1014 A MIO024 0 3621.619 3625.161 3621.73 3625.12 I'm I'm wondering whether still we could ask for to get an intern for this . 3625.12 IN1014 D MIO031 3 3625.076 3625.45 3625.15 3625.36 Yep . 3625.36 IN1014 B MIO020 1 3625.831 3638.419 3625.831 3638.38 Uh I I don't know regarding H_E_V_S_ . I don't know if this is uh still in time . But you can have you can ask for a student , a d a diploma work . 3629.6 3632.4 3636.52 3638.38 IN1014 A MIO024 0 3626.587 3628.636 3626.63 3628.636 I mean uh - IN1014 A MIO024 0 3639.378 3649.025 3639.47 3648.94 Yeah , this is uh still uh even even the non-diploma work . I mean the things we could ask uh but I would yeah . Yeah . 3639.65 3643.71 3647.46 3648.94 IN1014 D MIO031 3 3644.18 3652.865 3644.69 3652.77 I think that's that's a different problem . The problem is really up to you guys , whether you think it's good to have one person . 3646.94 3648.42 3652.77 IN1014 D MIO031 3 3654.675 3658.107 3654.77 3658.107 Try to have that because uh I cannot say we have tried to have - IN1014 C MIO016 2 3656.194 3674.898 3656.36 3674.75 I would say uh let's let's yeah , let's try to have one uh students uh to help us on that . I don't know . That is very well , we have to choose whether the students it's too it'd be stupid . But uh uh the the student should have knowledge about M_F_C_ with oh okay . Yeah . Mm-hmm . 3658.47 3662.42 3664.01 3665.08 3667.96 3673.06 3674.34 3674.75 IN1014 A MIO024 0 3656.801 3657.316 3656.82 3657.1 Yeah . 3657.1 IN1014 A MIO024 0 3662.379 3662.787 3662.51 3662.67 Mm . 3662.67 IN1014 A MIO024 0 3664.878 3665.686 3665.02 3665.686 Well you - IN1014 D MIO031 3 3666.589 3677.305 3666.9 3677.08 W exactly , it wi but better no person than a bad person anyway . Yeah . Okay . 3669.07 3674.12 3676.38 3677.08 IN1014 A MIO024 0 3667.133 3670.143 3667.19 3670.03 Yeah , that's that's the issue . Yeah . Well , but yeah . 3667.53 3668.38 3669.28 3669.5 3670.03 IN1014 A MIO024 0 3674.215 3674.764 3674.31 3674.69 Yeah . 3674.69 IN1014 A MIO024 0 3676.519 3677.184 3676.61 3677.13 Okay . 3677.13 IN1014 C MIO016 2 3678.4 3683.312 3678.5 3683.27 Doesn't mean that we d we have to to stop talking yet . But uh the recording has finished . 3681.81 3683.27 IN1014 A MIO024 0 3678.464 3679.439 3678.54 3679.439 I think it's - IN1014 A MIO024 0 3686.109 3686.542 3686.15 3686.44 Uh - IN1016 B MIO031 1 39.6 54.557 39.79 54.557 Okay , we start waiting for people coming late and uh I can say this because in this moment you cannot answer because you don't have the microphone . So I can say whatever and you cannot reply . So yeah . 40.15 48.74 52.3 54.42 IN1016 A MIO104 0 39.841 40.459 39.96 40.4 Thanks . 40.4 IN1016 A MIO104 0 43.171 44.159 43.171 43.78 Yeah . 43.78 IN1016 C MIE034 2 43.315 45.59 43.41 45.41 Yeah , sorry about that , Matthew is still on the way . 43.89 44.48 45.41 IN1016 A MIO104 0 50.773 51.122 50.85 51.08 Yeah . 51.08 IN1016 C MIE034 2 53.104 60.663 53.41 60.56 Okay , hang on , reply coming . Yeah , it's okay . U oh , I hate these things . 53.7 54.18 56.36 56.49 57.88 59.27 60.56 IN1016 C MIE034 2 65.28 68.149 65.34 68.149 Voila . Okay . So 66.81 67.59 IN1016 A MIO104 0 66.755 67.262 66.755 67.262 . 111.69 IN1016 B MIO031 1 68.015 68.613 68.015 68.613 . 486.95 IN1016 C MIE034 2 69.802 77.045 69.9 77.045 Um we can maybe get a head start . Um have you been talking to Matthew about what you've been doing ? Or 73.96 76.5 IN1016 A MIO104 0 76.921 133.311 77.01 133.22 Um a little bit , but uh I'm m I'm not sure he knows uh everything . So uh basically uh well , first we tried to um explain why in this uh resc uh N_ best list re-scoring uh from the slides to enhance the speech recognition on the meetings data is not working . So um uh that's one thing . And uh so what we did with Alessandro is uh um ch t uh performing some statistical tests to see whatever r if the if the words uh the the appearance of the words during the meeting is uh in independent of the ap appearances of the different slides . 80.49 84.62 88.76 105.18 110.31 133.22 IN1016 C MIE034 2 101.728 101.952 101.75 101.92 Yeah . 101.92 IN1016 C MIE034 2 104.335 105.098 104.38 104.96 Yeah , yeah . 104.72 104.96 IN1016 C MIE034 2 133.376 133.77 133.4 133.65 Yeah . 133.65 IN1016 A MIO104 0 133.311 150.591 133.67 150.5 So the in the case if it is dependent that would mean that certain words tend to appear during certain slides and that there is a correlation and uh then there will be uh a reason like for believing that uh this will work . 150.5 IN1016 C MIE034 2 140.656 143.884 140.75 143.884 Yeah , which was the intuitive feeling . 141.08 143.49 IN1016 C MIE034 2 149.321 163.872 149.47 163.84 Yeah . Yeah . And is and the r result was no . But uh bu but the question is if is that result no because it's no or is it also just because there's not really enough data to be sure about anything ? 150.77 151.54 154.42 163.84 IN1016 A MIO104 0 153.9 155.56 153.99 155.39 The resu the result was no . 155.39 IN1016 B MIO031 1 162.376 163.345 162.73 163.18 Ye - IN1016 B MIO031 1 163.945 216.758 164.09 216.69 In my opinion it is no because of the nature of the language . I mean intuitively of course you tend to use more the words that are on the slide. , But the mass of the words actually you use are words that are common . Just think that fifty percent of the words on average whatever corpus you take are stop words , articles , et cetera . So in terms of recognition fifty percent goes away . Of the rest uh remaining fifty percent I mean are all words that appear one , two , three times . So in any case even if actually and they tend to be uh related or a statistically related to a single slide , in any case in terms of uh recognition do not help at all , or help a very little . So uh that's the kind of thing uh I mean that's the kind of measure , the ind statistical independence is not on single words . Is overall , which basically means in terms of recognition that doesn't help . 166.81 171.55 176.76 182.6 183.12 183.5 186.75 190.77 191.26 192.57 200.68 204.97 206.19 209.69 212.41 213.8 216.69 IN1016 C MIE034 2 170.929 171.43 170.95 171.29 Sure . 171.29 IN1016 C MIE034 2 182.432 184.184 182.45 184.06 Yeah , okay . Yeah . 182.75 183.76 184.06 IN1016 C MIE034 2 186.176 186.596 186.2 186.5 Yeah . 186.5 IN1016 C MIE034 2 192.112 192.602 192.19 192.49 Yeah . 192.49 IN1016 C MIE034 2 204.107 205.412 204.28 205.33 It's not gonna yeah . 205.33 IN1016 C MIE034 2 212.183 213.989 212.29 213.91 Yeah . Yeah , yeah . 213.36 213.63 213.91 IN1016 C MIE034 2 216.497 232.251 216.69 232.03 This is so sort of a feeling that we had but hadn't shown . I think I mean i in uh from uh from an application point of view it might be interesting to make sure that your vocabulary contains all the words on the slides . But from a research perspective it's not interesting . 221.36 229.5 232.03 IN1016 B MIO031 1 225.388 225.77 225.48 225.69 Hmm . 225.69 IN1016 B MIO031 1 232.28 243.417 232.31 243.28 You know , even if actually I remember I just made some measure uh saying okay l let's look at how many words I don't have in the dictionary and are in the slides . It was two percent . 232.52 242.09 243.28 IN1016 C MIE034 2 240.748 241.844 240.83 241.66 There'd be very few . 241.66 IN1016 A MIO104 0 242.078 244.723 242.078 244.44 Yeah , true . Yeah , almost nothing . 242.79 243.27 243.75 244.44 IN1016 C MIE034 2 243.512 253.903 243.78 253.903 Well , this is h this is how the dictionary's calculated . It calculated such that if you don't have the word it doesn't affect to a great degree the the the word error rate . So 244.14 246.42 253.24 IN1016 D MIO050 3 246.415 247.987 246.55 247.987 Yeah . 247.89 IN1016 A MIO104 0 246.56 247.385 246.59 246.93 Mm-hmm . 246.93 IN1016 B MIO031 1 248.127 249.158 248.2 249.06 Exactly . 249.06 IN1016 B MIO031 1 250.771 251.453 250.85 251.33 Exactly . 251.33 IN1016 B MIO031 1 253.166 282.353 253.26 282.353 Exactly . So some in some sense it intuitively it sounds very good . But in practical terms , in terms of recognition uh here we we we have to be clear . If you want to improve the recognition , that im improves very slightly . Uh it is different if you want to have other tasks where the only words that all are words . In that case , even the slight improvements uh he gets at that point , they can make the difference . But does the recognition 253.85 257.76 258.82 262.43 263.79 267.29 274.66 275.4 278.99 281.02 IN1016 A MIO104 0 253.838 254.298 253.98 254.21 Mm-hmm . 254.21 IN1016 C MIE034 2 262.329 262.934 262.43 262.82 Yeah . 262.82 IN1016 C MIE034 2 264.524 265.088 264.54 264.96 Sure . 264.96 IN1016 C MIE034 2 266.612 267.103 266.72 266.94 Yep . 266.94 IN1016 C MIE034 2 270.047 271.464 270.07 271.29 M like yeah . 271.29 IN1016 C MIE034 2 274.534 275.108 274.64 275.01 Yeah . 275.01 IN1016 C MIE034 2 277.227 277.78 277.33 277.66 Yeah . 277.66 IN1016 C MIE034 2 280.294 285.289 280.44 285.12 But th yeah . No . Well , this is yeah . That's yeah . 282.45 283.02 283.21 284.52 285.12 IN1016 B MIO031 1 284.93 294.371 285.05 294.29 And some way the statistical independence I think it can be a good explanation to show why it is happen even if it is counterintuitive . But that's that's what happens basically . 292.4 294.29 IN1016 C MIE034 2 290.421 290.816 290.53 290.78 Yeah . 290.78 IN1016 A MIO104 0 294.163 349.103 294.22 348.93 Huh . So Matthew we were uh yeah , it's uh we were talking that we did some experiments to see if the word during meeting the words appear independently of the slides in a sense that uh if certain words tend to appear during certain slides or no . And uh the answer is uh no . And uh so we did a statistical test for that . And I will add also that we did that on the uh w the words after filtering them from the removing the the stop words . Yeah , so uh so uh bec s because yeah , with the stop words okay th there would be a reason for uh in independence because there is uh such a huge mess of them . But uh even uh after removing them uh there it it remains uh independent . 294.92 297.78 313.08 316.23 319.18 329.3 329.55 332.25 341.2 348.93 IN1016 D MIO050 3 294.851 301.867 294.99 301.867 Could you ju just quickly rewind ? 301.71 IN1016 B MIO031 1 297.216 299.195 297.216 298.59 Yeah . 298.59 IN1016 C MIE034 2 297.839 300.613 297.97 300.613 Oh sorry about that . Yeah . 298.77 300.51 IN1016 D MIO050 3 303.979 304.826 304.07 304.61 Yeah . 304.61 IN1016 D MIO050 3 306.905 308.648 306.97 308.51 Okay . Oh . 308.31 308.51 IN1016 D MIO050 3 311.776 312.624 311.84 312.56 Okay . 312.56 IN1016 D MIO050 3 315.892 316.756 315.99 316.61 Okay . 316.61 IN1016 D MIO050 3 319.465 320.061 319.64 319.73 Oh . 319.73 IN1016 C MIE034 2 328.317 331.418 328.4 331.03 Of course . Yeah , yeah . Yep . 'Cause it's not gonna make any difference . Yep . 328.92 329.11 329.31 329.62 330.82 331.03 IN1016 D MIO050 3 329.22 329.96 329.31 329.75 Okay . 329.75 IN1016 B MIO031 1 330.141 330.661 330.25 330.53 Mm-hmm . 330.53 IN1016 A MIO104 0 349.103 410.233 349.61 410.233 And actually uh so when I was doing the re-scoring experiments , I was doing that on uh one meeting that I selected as being like the best looking one . Uh it ha it had the m the most uh slides . And now I did the same uh on uh the other meetings which were available where well it's only three meetings because well here there are four of them which are from the test set uh from the AMI recogniser w but only three of them have uh slides . So it's total of three meetings and for the others the tendency and I c 'cause you know I was when I was doing re-scoring , I was uh taking into account the for one given slide also the n neighbouring slides . And as I was in increasing the number of slides which were affecting the the utterance I was re-scoring um the performance was improving sli s uh slightly . Very very little . But uh 352.93 358.87 366.16 382.71 390.09 396.84 407.79 409.41 IN1016 D MIO050 3 370.307 370.964 370.43 370.82 Mm-hmm . 370.82 IN1016 C MIE034 2 378.158 378.648 378.24 378.46 Yep . 378.46 IN1016 D MIO050 3 406.987 407.652 407.08 407.48 Mm-hmm . 407.48 IN1016 D MIO050 3 409.642 442.316 410.07 442.21 No no . Wait wait . It's going very fast for me actually . thing actually . It's very fast . So wha first point the first thing you told me that you took the slides and you was and you had a l big dictionary and you are seeing uh what what are the inside the slide , right ? Uh what the 'cause I first statement I could not understand . Uh when you said the the st uh uh the s uh the w yeah , so we what's so yeah , so could you please tell me little bit more in detail ? Yeah . 410.31 410.64 413.22 414.37 415.28 425.65 426.1 430.6 438.07 439.21 441.88 442.21 IN1016 A MIO104 0 412.091 412.69 412.27 412.46 Yeah . 412.46 IN1016 A MIO104 0 429.778 438.819 429.87 438.65 Uh the the first thing we are talking about ex the experiment to see the uh if it's dependent or independent . 438.65 IN1016 A MIO104 0 441.125 449.651 441.17 449.41 How we did it ? Uh so we used the Pearson uh chi square uh test no . 442.95 449.41 IN1016 D MIO050 3 448.027 465.542 448.28 465.34 No no no , don't go that . I I want the no , I want to understand what did you mean by the wo uh the te uh thing like saying that I took a dictionary and then a word from the slide and what you are looking for . I could not understand clearly clearly that . 448.73 449.33 451.66 462.67 465.34 IN1016 A MIO104 0 463.475 478.842 463.64 478.65 Ah okay . It was to to see if uh certain words have a tendency to appear during uh uh they if they are more likely to appear during certain slides . W 465.3 478.46 IN1016 D MIO050 3 471.987 473.092 472.53 472.83 Mm mm-hmm . 472.83 IN1016 D MIO050 3 478.022 487.152 478.16 487.152 Okay , but do how do why do you want certain words . Like wha how do you expect that certain words ? 478.42 480.81 486.79 IN1016 B MIO031 1 481.962 519.94 482.16 519.9 Be be b be careful , it's not exactly this because for sure there are words that tend to be . So the point is you want to verify whether you can improve the recognition rate by using as an information the words that uh are contain in the slides . So basically the idea is that uh in the moment you are in the slide somewhere your language change accordingly to the slide . So the fact of having that information somewhere can help you to improve the recognition . But actually it's not what happens . And this does not happen for many reason . First , for example , fifty percent of the words in any kind of text are stop words . So are everywhere . 483.61 487.71 497.34 503.63 508.71 510.73 512.89 513.36 514.05 518.78 519.9 IN1016 D MIO050 3 492.127 492.643 492.19 492.51 Yeah . 492.51 IN1016 D MIO050 3 503.305 504.319 503.38 504.02 Exactly . 504.02 IN1016 D MIO050 3 508.039 508.976 508.13 508.84 Exactly . 508.84 IN1016 D MIO050 3 510.284 510.833 510.34 510.75 Yeah . 510.75 IN1016 D MIO050 3 519.984 520.416 520.05 520.36 Yeah . 520.36 IN1016 B MIO031 1 519.94 564.127 520.37 564.127 And the remaining a appear so little , that in the case cannot really improve that much . Most of the words we use actually whatever we talk about are common uh words . So how to verify this ? I mean this is something that has been measured et cetera but still is a bit qualitative . To have a quantitative measure , mm-hmm , we simply did uh a measure of statistical independence between the words in general , so not some words , the words in general . Otherwise you can see that if a words appear once , basically it is one hundred percent related to one slide , huh ? But you have to i if you want to consider in terms of recognition performance,you have to make it overall . I mean what is important is not the word that appear once , it's the word that appear 523.43 525.4 531.16 532.49 536.8 538.51 538.83 545.56 546.6 547.67 550.78 553.41 554.0 560.53 562.99 IN1016 D MIO050 3 529.448 530.122 529.5 530.0 Okay . 530.0 IN1016 D MIO050 3 538.576 539.249 538.69 539.17 Mm-hmm . 539.17 IN1016 D MIO050 3 543.46 544.168 543.49 543.89 Okay . 543.89 IN1016 D MIO050 3 545.424 545.95 545.45 545.75 Mm-hmm . 545.75 IN1016 D MIO050 3 547.737 548.17 547.87 548.13 Mm . 548.13 IN1016 D MIO050 3 553.27 553.877 553.37 553.76 Yeah . 553.76 IN1016 A MIO104 0 554.079 554.58 554.24 554.46 Hmm . 554.46 IN1016 D MIO050 3 558.284 559.024 558.38 558.78 Mm-hmm . 558.78 IN1016 D MIO050 3 562.769 573.797 562.9 573.71 Yeah . It appears in almost uh uh it is if it appears in all the slides it says a hundred percent correlation for me . One percent well . Yeah . 564.05 571.25 573.44 573.71 IN1016 B MIO031 1 569.791 617.026 569.93 616.94 If uh i exactly . If if there is one word that appear once all over the meeting , it appears in correspondence of one slide , then of course it seems to be very related . But very few words uh they represent a very little part of the word mass , mm . So we simply used a very old test , statistical test , that basically measure the hypothesis that some way the probability of having one word in correspondence of a certain slide is simply the product of the probability of the word for the probability of the . That's it . So that's what we did . But is in general the language and not certain words . Because certain words for sure have a strong dependency on the slides . But there are l few . Yeah . 571.22 574.9 577.01 579.24 585.05 585.9 589.44 590.4 604.53 605.32 607.04 610.89 614.86 616.43 616.94 IN1016 D MIO050 3 576.933 577.407 577.01 577.32 Yeah . 577.32 IN1016 D MIO050 3 578.837 579.296 578.89 579.16 Yeah . 579.16 IN1016 D MIO050 3 580.863 581.904 580.94 581.75 Are like that . 581.75 IN1016 A MIO104 0 583.575 584.149 583.68 584.03 Mm-hmm . 584.03 IN1016 D MIO050 3 583.935 584.6 584.06 584.48 Okay . 584.48 IN1016 C MIE034 2 585.297 585.818 585.38 585.69 Hmm . 585.69 IN1016 D MIO050 3 588.966 589.93 588.966 589.72 . Okay . 588.966 589.72 IN1016 D MIO050 3 595.417 596.04 595.5 595.91 Mm-hmm . 595.91 IN1016 D MIO050 3 598.528 599.15 598.61 599.06 Mm-hmm . 599.06 IN1016 D MIO050 3 602.312 604.683 602.39 604.59 Okay , it's independent of each other . Okay . 602.65 604.25 604.59 IN1016 D MIO050 3 606.141 612.484 606.26 612.484 Okay , fine , that's fine , that's uh uh uh s certain words it should . You have to 606.73 607.15 607.64 611.69 IN1016 A MIO104 0 610.446 611.49 610.55 611.41 Mm-hmm . Yeah . 610.97 611.41 IN1016 D MIO050 3 613.706 625.819 613.706 625.68 Okay . Fine . Now I'm uh okay . I'm into the loop . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . 619.23 619.91 621.11 623.79 625.12 625.68 IN1016 A MIO104 0 614.799 615.342 614.9 615.11 Yeah . 615.11 IN1016 C MIE034 2 616.423 616.984 616.45 616.94 Yeah . 616.94 IN1016 C MIE034 2 618.901 619.569 618.98 619.5 Hmm . 619.5 IN1016 A MIO104 0 621.191 647.962 621.31 647.962 Yeah . And the answer to that was no . And s so when extending the those experiments to the other meetings uh when while I was observing an improvement on the first meeting I was using , uh so I was r observing an improvement as I was increasing um like the um the context . Yeah . Uh 622.06 625.6 638.06 646.2 647.19 IN1016 D MIO050 3 644.624 645.53 644.73 645.43 Context . 645.43 IN1016 D MIO050 3 647.123 651.856 647.2 651.79 But it is implemented on the A_S_R_ ? Or uh where ? Okay . 649.3 651.32 651.79 IN1016 A MIO104 0 649.939 680.379 650.01 680.21 On the on the recognition , yeah . So there was uh the improvement was also increasing as I was increasing the context , while on the other meetings it's um it's it's it's really fluctuating and uh i it it uh it looks more like um uh ps uh well , what's the word for that ? Statistical um um fluctuation . 651.23 651.91 656.91 674.02 675.16 680.21 IN1016 D MIO050 3 655.955 656.637 656.05 656.51 Okay . 656.51 IN1016 B MIO031 1 678.88 679.636 678.9 679.56 Fluctuations ? 679.56 IN1016 D MIO050 3 679.512 681.093 679.66 681.0 Oh okay . 681.0 IN1016 A MIO104 0 682.464 683.393 682.48 683.393 So uh - IN1016 C MIE034 2 683.003 705.965 683.12 705.965 I mean the it's probably very dependent on the speaker as well . Some people have a habit of just reading what they've got on their slides and some people are com are are well , or or or quite purposefully talk about different things so that they've sort of got multi-modality of you know . But so I mean I guess that's not a surprising result then . The um 686.05 694.04 701.27 704.51 IN1016 D MIO050 3 685.92 686.527 685.99 686.36 Yeah . 686.36 IN1016 D MIO050 3 690.701 697.418 690.92 697.32 Else interpolate , extrapolate . Yeah . Yeah . 693.41 695.99 696.89 697.32 IN1016 B MIO031 1 695.664 696.164 695.68 695.94 Mm-hmm . 695.94 IN1016 A MIO104 0 697.294 697.816 697.46 697.73 Mm-hmm . 697.73 IN1016 D MIO050 3 698.973 700.022 699.39 699.91 Uh yeah . 699.91 IN1016 D MIO050 3 705.028 705.577 705.12 705.46 Yeah . 705.46 IN1016 B MIO031 1 706.427 741.579 706.56 741.42 It is not in terms I mean for me for example it was not in the sense that uh after working a little bit on language you realise that this kind of thing do not help simply because most of the words uh have nothing to do specifically with the subject you use . Uh most of the words we use uh that's strange , but are simply necessary to build a sentence . There are very few uh content uh words . But it is true that intuitively uh as we are driven in our attention uh I mean in in our understanding we're pretty much driven by attention , that we tend to spot only those words . 719.94 722.49 725.83 730.02 738.29 741.42 IN1016 C MIE034 2 714.833 715.605 714.92 715.41 Yeah . 715.41 IN1016 C MIE034 2 717.882 718.414 717.97 718.25 Yeah . 718.25 IN1016 C MIE034 2 722.318 723.195 722.36 722.98 S - IN1016 C MIE034 2 725.315 725.962 725.4 725.68 Yeah . 725.68 IN1016 D MIO050 3 725.404 726.111 725.65 725.99 Yeah . 725.99 IN1016 C MIE034 2 729.334 729.908 729.44 729.79 Yeah . 729.79 IN1016 C MIE034 2 739.76 744.571 740.05 744.44 Yeah , sure . We s go straight to the semantics of the yep . 740.33 741.32 744.44 IN1016 B MIO031 1 743.298 760.704 743.44 760.64 Exactly , and in some sense intuitively it seems that it can happen , I mean this is not the first attempt to do things like this and it never works actually i in terms of recognition . For other task it can be uh it can be uh helpful . 744.21 747.3 754.35 760.64 IN1016 C MIE034 2 751.616 752.119 751.64 751.94 Hmm . 751.94 IN1016 C MIE034 2 754.334 756.537 754.42 756.43 Yes . Maybe . 755.96 756.43 IN1016 C MIE034 2 758.863 759.458 758.96 759.36 Okay . 759.36 IN1016 D MIO050 3 761.602 776.887 761.602 776.887 So you mea so uh you mean to say that um like when one case you were saying that if you include the context and all those thing it helps in your A_S_R_ improvement , but it doesn't , which more subjective I think this whole 773.04 774.78 IN1016 C MIE034 2 761.709 762.752 761.84 762.7 Oh okay . 762.7 IN1016 C MIE034 2 776.986 807.322 777.31 807.2 Well I mean uh it just comes down to the to the mere fact that word error rate is just take the words . How many of them did you get right . Take plus or minus two or three or five or ten words doesn't really make any difference . So yeah . Even if those words at the end of the day would be quite important in any sort of search of the transcript . But at the end of the day why wouldn't you just use the slides to search the transcript ? I if you have th slides , then yeah . 782.82 785.04 790.26 791.74 798.48 803.81 805.23 807.2 IN1016 D MIO050 3 784.41 784.992 784.48 784.89 Yeah . 784.89 IN1016 D MIO050 3 786.939 788.058 787.1 787.97 Uh-huh . Yes . 787.6 787.97 IN1016 B MIO031 1 789.486 789.862 789.54 789.8 Yeah . 789.8 IN1016 D MIO050 3 789.732 790.355 789.87 790.23 Yeah . 790.23 IN1016 A MIO104 0 789.776 790.335 790.08 790.21 Huh . 790.21 IN1016 B MIO031 1 795.17 795.646 795.32 795.58 Yep . 795.58 IN1016 A MIO104 0 795.554 796.159 795.7 796.08 Mm-hmm . 796.08 IN1016 D MIO050 3 797.983 798.831 798.16 798.76 Mm . 798.76 IN1016 A MIO104 0 797.992 798.953 798.19 798.65 Exactly . 798.65 IN1016 D MIO050 3 803.238 805.275 803.36 805.14 Mm yeah , you can do that , yeah . 804.12 804.79 805.14 IN1016 D MIO050 3 806.305 808.636 806.305 808.636 Or it could - IN1016 A MIO104 0 808.068 839.399 808.12 839.32 So that's why um uh if we look on the relationship that uh exists between the speech and the slides , uh the task of improving the recognition , uh the overall um sp uh speech recognition using the slides uh seems to be uh uh not very uh um good . I mean um we cannot expect much from from it . 819.09 823.44 836.19 839.32 IN1016 C MIE034 2 834.359 853.635 834.49 853.635 No . Y you'd ju I mean the uh I mean it so I mean have you been doing other things then ? Have you have you been thinking about what you would like to to do in in in place of this ? Or or or leading on from this , given what you've learnt ? 836.06 842.4 850.4 852.27 853.5 IN1016 D MIO050 3 837.007 837.714 837.17 837.6 Mm . 837.6 IN1016 A MIO104 0 853.587 895.564 854.15 895.564 Mm well for now the uh most effort was uh on uh um showing why i it's i it's it will not work . Especially those experiments and these uh statistical tests . But uh we w were thinking for example of a task like um trying to uh see if uh where a speaker is talking I mean if the speech is actually correlated with the slides uh where the slides uh which happen during the not correlated , but if the 867.03 870.66 894.44 IN1016 D MIO050 3 870.303 870.977 870.39 870.73 Mm-hmm . 870.73 IN1016 B MIO031 1 896.471 903.672 896.49 903.47 Be careful . Correlate is a dangerous word in statistic . It seems to be the opposite as before . 896.98 901.4 903.47 IN1016 C MIE034 2 898.473 904.176 898.473 904.07 'Cause ours is strict . Yeah . Yeah . 900.77 901.41 904.07 IN1016 A MIO104 0 904.562 907.402 904.75 907.402 Uh well if the um - IN1016 C MIE034 2 907.631 909.398 907.75 909.398 Associated ? 909.26 IN1016 A MIO104 0 909.487 913.925 909.57 913.79 If the speaker is actually talking about what is in the slides or not . 913.79 IN1016 B MIO031 1 911.184 912.447 911.73 912.21 The . 912.21 IN1016 D MIO050 3 912.588 913.278 912.68 913.15 Mm-hmm . 913.15 IN1016 D MIO050 3 914.411 915.043 914.51 914.95 Okay . 914.95 IN1016 B MIO031 1 916.872 960.863 916.98 960.65 Or roughly . Basically uh one thing it can't be done . And and here uh on the contrary for example the few words that are mm how may I say it recognized more can really make the difference . It isn't the case if you want to see if uh I mean what if seen in the meeting and that okay . There are presentation . Then yeah , still the slide is there . But actually the people talk about other things . Or not really other things but the slide is no longer uh a support for the discussion , huh ? There are moment that actually this is the support because the people describe , et cetera . And there are moment where it is not . Is a just a background uh thing . And we rough estimated very quickly . But it was one third of the time . At least in in the meeting we have seen . 917.78 919.92 929.58 933.48 934.69 936.22 938.71 941.3 946.48 946.98 950.17 951.39 952.63 954.47 956.98 958.83 960.65 IN1016 C MIE034 2 927.301 927.812 927.4 927.77 Yeah . 927.77 IN1016 C MIE034 2 941.103 941.813 941.17 941.76 Sure . 941.76 IN1016 C MIE034 2 944.538 947.461 944.64 947.38 The focus . Yeah , okay . 946.11 946.83 947.38 IN1016 C MIE034 2 954.624 955.135 954.72 954.98 Yep . 954.98 IN1016 B MIO031 1 960.863 998.698 961.22 998.6 The slide were just there I mean but they were no longer use as a support . It was a discussion rather between people . So in that case the presence or the absence and especially the frequence with which you observe the words that are on the slides can be an excellent uh uh clue , huh . Indication , a clear indication , whether actually does it support of the discussion or not . Uh It can be this . It can be interpreted as a kind of focus of interest . It can be simply interpreted in the sense of saying uh okay I mean you have this channel open there . Do I have to p taken into account or not ? 964.45 967.23 979.36 979.9 980.58 981.57 985.45 987.81 990.16 996.35 998.6 IN1016 C MIE034 2 965.512 966.149 965.62 966.05 Okay . 966.05 IN1016 A MIO104 0 978.511 979.398 978.6 979.29 Indicator . 979.29 IN1016 C MIE034 2 984.354 987.232 984.37 987.05 M meeting action sort of focus . 987.05 IN1016 C MIE034 2 996.236 996.717 996.31 996.53 Yep . 996.53 IN1016 C MIE034 2 999.318 999.788 999.39 999.61 Hmm . 999.61 IN1016 B MIO031 1 999.573 1036.475 999.69 1036.36 Or also in terms of action , yeah uh when you see that s the discussion is completely m disconnected with respect to this some way uh it means that it's happen in something different than before . So I mean it's a kind of feature that in my opinion can be easy to detect it and um that can , yeah , uh f can be interesting to do . Relatively easy to do . And uh in that case , for example , the few words mm that you that you get more can make the difference . Oh so is that mm double way to to show how some way dependent on the task . 1000.97 1011.93 1018.19 1019.24 1021.61 1023.0 1024.57 1025.53 1030.47 1036.36 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1006.592 1006.97 1006.61 1006.87 Yeah . 1006.87 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1011.589 1012.1 1011.72 1012.05 Yep . 1012.05 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1021.276 1021.725 1021.33 1021.59 Yeah . 1021.59 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1027.484 1028.163 1027.6 1028.12 Yeah , sure . 1027.79 1028.12 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1029.812 1030.292 1029.9 1030.24 Yeah . 1030.24 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1037.182 1054.062 1037.54 1053.9 So you so you so okay . So maybe like it can be uh something like in a meeting it can be like an unusual scenario for you , in a presentation with a slide . And the unusual scenario that you're not using the uh slide at all . 1039.08 1046.69 1049.52 1053.9 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1048.982 1049.728 1049.05 1049.53 W - IN1016 A MIO104 0 1053.83 1073.955 1053.94 1073.83 Yeah , or for example uh what happened for example in one of the meetings is that p people were um summarizing the the results of the previous meeting , you know . So in the beginning so the meeting started with the summary of what happened uh previous time and this was not related to what was on the slides . 1054.15 1062.91 1063.21 1073.83 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1053.939 1054.982 1054.0 1054.982 Well - IN1016 C MIE034 2 1062.778 1063.394 1062.9 1063.15 Yeah . 1063.15 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1062.932 1063.672 1063.13 1063.42 Mm-hmm . 1063.42 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1070.95 1071.424 1071.02 1071.28 Yeah . 1071.28 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1072.754 1074.718 1072.89 1074.67 What are the other slide , yeah . 1074.28 1074.67 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1073.076 1118.862 1073.7 1118.42 Ye yeah , okay . So I mean uh you could begin with s saying the a um the simple task of just determining whether or not the speech is related to the slide content , and which is sort of building upon what , you know , Dong and others have worked on in terms of , you know , is it discussion , monologue , from the original M_ four data collection . Uh a y are are you also considering that you could actually look at the relationship between meetings for instance ? Um well okay , well I mean it if if if these similar sort of phrases or words were discussed in this meeting and were also discussed in the previous meeting , then you sort of have a a link between meetings for instance . 1074.55 1074.84 1083.94 1086.28 1086.56 1088.69 1088.92 1089.72 1090.23 1093.52 1102.08 1104.28 1113.9 1118.42 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1102.713 1104.35 1102.91 1104.19 What do you mean exactly ? 1104.19 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1112.408 1113.15 1112.52 1113.06 Mm-hmm . 1113.06 IN1016 A MIO104 0 1115.809 1116.79 1115.9 1116.79 Link uh - IN1016 B MIO031 1 1117.492 1121.701 1118.1 1121.65 Yeah . Some way well there are f yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah . 1118.26 1121.65 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1119.574 1137.444 1119.67 1137.33 I don't know I don't know how this you have to ches the check the statistics . But I I mean 'cause obviously you've gotta think towards what , you know , this this won't occupy ab ab you know , won't occupy you for three years or whatever just on this I guess . But have to look at all the future and so just a s 1123.38 1126.87 1127.23 1129.66 1133.05 IN1016 A MIO104 0 1122.033 1123.696 1122.22 1123.58 But this is one yeah . 1123.58 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1126.72 1127.467 1126.85 1127.12 Yeah . 1127.12 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1132.574 1184.43 1132.7 1184.17 Mm-hmm hmm . Yeah , I know , this we are s s talking about today short term if you want . Uh things just to the use the things . I mean all the work they that has done basically , which is a huge work . And the data we have then uh enough for the for a thesis of course it must be much better . But of course the there's only two two different kinds of words . Some of them you can do it on a single meeting . So this kind of feature extraction because basically that's what it is , saying yes no this channel is good . Now is background . Now is foreground , et cetera . You can put it in that in that way . This you do it on a single meeting . And then there are corpus um based um how may I say it works so yeah , that is one possibility for example , finding the connection between different meetings . 1135.0 1135.15 1135.32 1139.55 1141.25 1143.13 1145.5 1151.24 1155.71 1158.83 1161.6 1164.09 1165.66 1166.41 1166.75 1169.35 1170.99 1179.09 1181.25 1184.17 IN1016 A MIO104 0 1133.102 1133.488 1133.17 1133.43 Huh . 1133.43 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1139.275 1140.361 1139.42 1140.1 Yeah , yeah . 1139.92 1140.1 IN1016 A MIO104 0 1139.358 1139.792 1139.43 1139.75 Mm-hmm . 1139.75 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1143.357 1143.921 1143.45 1143.79 Okay . 1143.79 IN1016 A MIO104 0 1143.746 1146.252 1143.86 1146.19 Yeah , it was recycling uh kind of . 1144.4 1146.19 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1147.402 1147.882 1147.5 1147.78 Yeah . 1147.78 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1166.624 1167.52 1166.78 1167.48 Yeah , okay . 1167.15 1167.48 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1170.909 1171.577 1170.99 1171.3 Yeah . 1171.3 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1174.659 1177.968 1174.659 1177.88 and yep . Yep . 1177.63 1177.88 IN1016 A MIO104 0 1175.758 1176.41 1175.81 1176.19 Task . 1176.19 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1184.43 1212.201 1184.85 1212.201 Then I don't know , I mean at that point it becomes pretty much crucial the kind of uh data you have in the sense that for the way we have collected the data some way I don't know if it can be at the same time too easy in the sense that some way you have little groups of meetings extremely correlated . So I mean it it makes it easier . I mean I don't know how much significant can be at that level . It can be 1185.38 1203.5 1206.93 1210.25 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1190.501 1191.263 1190.58 1190.93 Yeah . 1190.93 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1197.733 1199.059 1197.89 1198.95 Well y yeah . 1198.95 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1202.442 1202.901 1202.46 1202.81 Sure . 1202.81 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1207.19 1207.659 1207.28 1207.49 Yeah . 1207.49 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1210.101 1217.065 1210.23 1217.02 Yeah . I mean uh it's it's and because we don't have all the data collected or annotated yet , it's it's very difficult to know , isn't it . 1210.86 1214.97 1216.56 1217.02 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1216.152 1240.115 1216.152 1239.91 I in a sense , if you want uh this kind of words become interesting when the corpus is really big uh uh when when you when you consider each meeting as a single item . So it's interesting when you have tens , hundreds , thousands of meetings , which is not the case . But I mean you can do other work if you consider in terms of speaker turns or in terms of slides , and that is immediately multiply . 1217.74 1227.01 1229.5 1230.15 1231.8 1233.04 1238.34 1239.91 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1223.408 1224.892 1223.43 1224.55 Yeah . Yep , yep , yep . 1224.01 1224.25 1224.42 1224.55 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1231.594 1232.074 1231.69 1231.91 Hmm . 1231.91 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1237.481 1248.474 1237.65 1248.31 Yeah , sure . Or b or as you say , back-channel versus yeah . 'Cause I th think that's quite interesting . I mean 'cause it's an awful lot of speech activity , which is yeah . 1237.91 1238.71 1240.23 1243.27 1244.57 1247.18 1248.31 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1241.921 1245.753 1242.17 1245.753 Yeah . Yep , yep . That is another 1242.86 1243.02 1243.24 IN1016 A MIO104 0 1243.142 1243.58 1243.28 1243.54 Huh . 1243.54 IN1016 A MIO104 0 1245.149 1245.634 1245.23 1245.44 Huh . 1245.44 IN1016 A MIO104 0 1245.904 1247.787 1245.92 1247.787 Even summarization . Or 1247.28 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1248.916 1263.793 1249.21 1263.72 So it can be one more feature that helps in but it is very short-term . I mean just uh well it is ju just few few few times we talk together and it was just , mean , the very quick thing you can can have uh like this . 1254.49 1259.09 1260.17 1263.72 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1255.103 1255.561 1255.12 1255.44 Sure . 1255.44 IN1016 A MIO104 0 1255.056 1256.58 1255.17 1256.43 Mm-hmm . Mm yeah . 1256.14 1256.43 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1259.497 1260.092 1259.58 1259.97 Okay . 1259.97 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1263.911 1277.69 1264.0 1277.69 Okay . So I mean as far as that you've got everything to do that , I presume . Um you don't need any extra stuff from us in the immediate future ? Or I mean that's good . That's good . But I mean it it 1264.7 1267.48 1269.0 1273.5 1274.63 1276.85 IN1016 A MIO104 0 1272.508 1287.404 1272.62 1287.16 Uh no . No . But for the other thing , you know uh uh the alternative measures . Or maybe we should finish with this first . Uh I mean uh 1276.29 1278.08 1279.18 1283.05 1286.13 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1274.227 1278.433 1274.227 1278.37 We have plenty of things to do . 1278.37 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1285.846 1286.545 1285.94 1286.32 What track ? 1286.32 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1285.931 1293.725 1286.13 1293.725 Uh yeah I wouldn't get too distracted I guess on d d if you've got two tracks , I'd like to 1292.06 IN1016 A MIO104 0 1293.932 1307.707 1294.1 1307.51 Yeah , this uh this would be a f uh another subject I would like to discuss . S but uh w but uh uh basically ju just , you know , if we finish uh discussing this first . 1294.38 1298.62 1304.71 1304.92 1307.51 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1300.184 1302.039 1300.28 1301.81 Yeah . Go on . Yeah , it's no problem . 1300.61 1300.99 1301.21 1301.81 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1307.482 1319.871 1307.55 1319.82 Okay . So uh well so ultimately now the next step what is that ? Because I want like kind of a uh so at first you said that okay now you did this . 1309.15 1313.37 1319.82 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1307.994 1309.675 1308.1 1309.675 Yeah . Um 1308.97 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1321.092 1338.192 1321.18 1338.11 This correlation studies . And they show that there's a very less correlation or in fact no correlation kind of thing . And uh um uh so uh so what next in on top of it what you are going to build I mean is the question now . 1323.23 1329.64 1338.11 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1328.375 1329.032 1328.44 1328.87 Mm-hmm . 1328.87 IN1016 A MIO104 0 1328.472 1329.218 1328.53 1329.01 Mm-hmm . 1329.01 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1339.746 1352.857 1339.96 1352.76 But I think in a sense in my opinion well there are two things . When this uh statistical test it can be we have made an experiment we get a result somewhat counter-intuitive we give an explanation . 1344.09 1352.76 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1348.193 1348.742 1348.34 1348.55 Mm . 1348.55 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1353.022 1353.461 1353.13 1353.4 Yeah . 1353.4 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1353.472 1353.963 1353.58 1353.84 Yeah . 1353.84 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1354.405 1378.278 1354.52 1378.05 And uh that's it . I mean that's that's something that some way closes here . So when it gives you the kind of answer you get is that okay to go in that in that direction maybe is not the best thing . Maybe to improve the recognition that way is not uh something you can expect . So it gives the possibility to decide to go uh in a different direction that can be more on this uh let's say . 1356.47 1359.49 1365.82 1369.87 1378.05 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1363.935 1364.451 1364.04 1364.4 Mm-hmm . 1364.4 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1377.176 1386.197 1377.31 1386.02 Yeah , so t I mean to the different direction now that's what I mean to say . What you like to take from there . Uh it's not defined yet , okay . 1377.45 1380.03 1383.49 1385.63 1386.02 IN1016 A MIO104 0 1382.698 1384.431 1382.72 1384.35 This is not clearly defined yet . 1384.35 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1383.31 1384.417 1383.53 1384.417 This is - IN1016 B MIO031 1 1385.076 1385.616 1385.16 1385.4 Hmm . 1385.4 IN1016 A MIO104 0 1386.625 1397.793 1386.76 1397.6 But uh um something um using this relationship uh between the slides uh and other even other tek textual support and the uh and the speech . 1397.6 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1398.08 1398.63 1398.1 1398.5 Mm-hmm . 1398.5 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1399.307 1399.798 1399.43 1399.69 Hmm . 1399.69 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1399.835 1407.282 1399.92 1407.06 But what kind of problem ? We need a definition of some kind of uh problem , right ? Uh yeah . 1401.15 1404.31 1405.56 1407.06 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1402.126 1403.014 1402.2 1403.014 But I - IN1016 C MIE034 2 1404.655 1415.883 1404.78 1415.883 And uh the k and the question is also are there other sort of more sensible ways of doing it . For instance um gaze tracking . I mean if if people are looking at the slides 1410.45 1413.08 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1410.908 1411.58 1410.908 1410.908 . 1410.908 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1412.806 1413.546 1412.93 1413.49 Yeah . 1413.49 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1415.39 1416.037 1415.48 1415.9 Mm-hmm hmm . 1415.9 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1417.551 1427.904 1417.66 1427.904 Well uh I think the advantage eventually w I mean the advantage with this kind of things is that are much easier . Gaze tracking is still 1426.58 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1427.322 1432.083 1427.83 1431.96 Yeah , sure . And it has specific to the environment and all that sort of thing . Yeah . 1428.02 1428.53 1431.55 1431.96 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1428.843 1432.074 1428.94 1432.074 No , no , no . 1429.09 1429.25 1431.38 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1430.828 1459.188 1430.91 1459.03 Just with the environment is a difficult thing . I mean it requires cameras with pretty good quality , et cetera . Uh but I think his question is more uh general . A and it says so I mean based on this work , do you figure out uh a direction if they guess correctly . Uh a domain , a direction for your thesis for your exactly . Exactly . Exactly . Exactly . Exactly . 1433.21 1435.97 1437.6 1441.11 1443.53 1446.73 1450.02 1454.57 1455.35 1456.95 1457.71 1459.03 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1436.631 1437.164 1436.74 1437.08 Yeah . 1437.08 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1436.688 1437.312 1436.75 1437.312 No but - IN1016 C MIE034 2 1440.823 1441.376 1440.87 1441.28 Yeah . 1441.28 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1444.969 1485.549 1444.969 1485.549 yeah , direction . Yeah , that's that is a thing . We go on to the next direction . It should not that i it should not happen that you're doing so many things and ultimately it doesn't goes into a thesis . The that's that should not the problem . Your thesis should be w in one direction . One problem . And uh should go uh in one or uh one d yeah . It it doesn't make sense . Uh the it may be good as a C_V_ for you , but then as a thesis you will have problems uh defending it and all those things . So what is that uh what would be the next possible direction you want to take . Uh 1445.95 1446.42 1446.64 1447.6 1449.09 1457.63 1460.16 1462.09 1463.8 1468.64 1470.04 1472.51 1479.14 1484.86 IN1016 A MIO104 0 1447.114 1447.667 1447.25 1447.42 Huh . 1447.42 IN1016 A MIO104 0 1457.025 1457.547 1457.15 1457.46 Mm-hmm . 1457.46 IN1016 A MIO104 0 1462.191 1462.765 1462.29 1462.67 Mm-hmm . 1462.67 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1464.486 1470.084 1464.61 1470.084 One domain , yeah . Not a collection of little uh things completely unrelated . But uh 1465.28 1465.47 1468.98 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1474.5 1476.512 1474.7 1476.512 That's very - IN1016 A MIO104 0 1476.021 1477.232 1476.12 1477.09 Mm-hmm . Yeah , sure . 1476.63 1476.85 1477.09 IN1016 A MIO104 0 1488.301 1491.761 1488.39 1491.63 Well , this is um the 1488.68 IN1016 A MIO104 0 1494.045 1499.14 1494.12 1499.14 question I'm working on . 1498.95 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1499.68 1533.956 1499.81 1533.956 Mm . Uh but I mean for instance it should be linked to the other stuff that you've been doing on um call routing for instance . And and um , you know , uh error merit err error measures , yes . I mean I think I mean I I think that it's possible to draw some sort of relationship between the two , as we were saying . I mean maybe if you you don't measure things in terms of word error rate , maybe this sort of information does actually mean something . Given that fifty percent of the words are not actually interesting . Um so I mean 1500.56 1508.51 1509.8 1510.21 1513.75 1514.72 1520.34 1521.0 1524.23 1527.99 1532.32 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1512.031 1512.979 1512.14 1512.86 Error measure . 1512.86 IN1016 A MIO104 0 1519.756 1520.372 1519.91 1520.32 Mm-hmm . 1520.32 IN1016 A MIO104 0 1526.776 1528.186 1526.95 1528.0 Mm-hmm . Mm yeah . 1527.78 1528.0 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1529.305 1530.004 1529.47 1529.87 Mm-hmm . 1529.87 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1531.898 1532.24 1531.99 1532.21 Yeah . 1532.21 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1533.956 1537.273 1533.956 1537.273 W - IN1016 A MIO104 0 1534.888 1544.041 1535.02 1543.78 Yeah , that that could be interesting to try to merge those two uh things . Uh yeah . Yeah . 1535.36 1541.15 1543.49 1543.78 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1538.951 1545.678 1539.03 1545.62 Well w uh w No , it doesn't solve the problem , but it's f what is it ? Yeah . 1542.45 1543.47 1545.19 1545.62 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1539.907 1554.598 1539.95 1554.56 M but still doesn't solve the problem of saying what I yeah yeah , sure sure . What I what you are going to do for your thesis . I mean as Herve said , I mean basically if you have to explain in four lines 1545.39 1545.79 1550.26 1551.83 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1541.791 1543.368 1541.86 1543.368 It's yeah . 1543.2 IN1016 A MIO104 0 1549.962 1550.505 1550.07 1550.43 Mm-hmm . 1550.43 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1555.211 1556.483 1555.29 1556.36 Yeah , exactly . 1555.71 1556.36 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1556.271 1560.795 1556.39 1560.76 what will be the topic of my thesis , the subject of my thesis . 1558.47 1560.76 IN1016 A MIO104 0 1560.88 1562.924 1561.04 1562.7 Mm-hmm . Yeah . 1562.44 1562.7 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1562.309 1574.027 1562.43 1574.027 And it is something that is not just saying I'm going to do uh this this this and that . I mean because this we actually don't know . But yeah , in a very broad sense I mean w what you're going to investigate , what kind of uh 1566.38 1568.93 1569.31 1572.79 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1565.214 1565.655 1565.35 1565.49 Mm . 1565.49 IN1016 A MIO104 0 1572.401 1573.841 1572.55 1573.841 Yeah , and I um uh 1572.89 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1574.208 1623.881 1574.23 1623.881 S see that is going to tell us uh something like uh wha the thing is that i uh it it see you can totally go into the text domain and be there , you know ? It can be s no problem . But as long as uh it is okay . But if you want to do with uh s like certain something with the speed and all those things together then it's a different scenario . Uh you may not want to work on all the problems . Someone may work on some other problem . But then you you make use of that to extend your work in some . And uh and as I also t it depends like also like I think if uh boss is interested in working in both speech and text , you can understand very well . That part is also there . 1583.64 1584.5 1585.62 1589.44 1598.5 1601.01 1602.98 1608.72 1618.5 1620.66 1623.69 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1575.507 1577.211 1575.72 1576.96 If I interpret correctly . 1576.96 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1598.053 1598.416 1598.13 1598.38 Hmm . 1598.38 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1622.68 1623.295 1622.79 1623.11 Sure . 1623.11 IN1016 A MIO104 0 1624.502 1626.6 1624.6 1626.51 Are they are interested in that or no ? 1626.51 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1625.76 1636.485 1625.88 1636.26 No , the boss . Like have a it's like instead of saying like you should like work on both side , you know , the text and the speech aspect of it . So yeah . 1626.1 1626.98 1631.72 1631.98 1634.51 1636.26 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1635.61 1654.106 1635.92 1653.98 Then uh one basic thing I suggested even thinking about I mean is exactly this stru all these scenarios that can be a meeting , that can be presentation where you have a s a relationship between speech , between things that are said and uh some textual documents some way . 1644.22 1649.68 1653.98 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1646.022 1646.604 1646.18 1646.5 Yeah . 1646.5 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1656.3 1682.511 1656.45 1682.46 Why not try to to to to study this relationship , to improve this relationship , to use this relationship for um mm whatever it is , indexing or annotation or whatever , meta-data extraction . And if you want for example this little work uh about seeing when the slide channel is background and foreground is not beginning of this kind of thing . So a relationship between two channel that provide some kind of information . 1659.39 1660.62 1664.17 1666.44 1668.36 1677.84 1682.46 IN1016 A MIO104 0 1659.009 1659.499 1659.13 1659.41 Mm-hmm . 1659.41 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1659.448 1660.047 1659.59 1659.93 Yeah . 1659.93 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1675.782 1676.429 1675.87 1676.29 Mm . 1676.29 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1676.574 1677.089 1676.72 1677.02 Yeah . 1677.02 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1679.831 1680.33 1679.9 1680.25 Yeah . 1680.25 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1679.884 1680.448 1679.93 1680.32 Yeah . 1680.32 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1682.335 1701.471 1682.51 1701.29 I think I think it's maybe an interesting test scenario and we know that you're sort of basing something around speech and and text . I think there needs to be one sort of extra higher goal above that so that you can motivate future research . 1693.03 1701.29 IN1016 A MIO104 0 1692.624 1693.135 1692.73 1693.01 Mm-hmm . 1693.01 IN1016 A MIO104 0 1697.419 1700.862 1697.55 1700.82 Mm-hmm , yep . Yeah , that's what what is missing . 1698.07 1699.26 1699.42 1700.82 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1698.494 1702.983 1698.64 1702.69 Mm-hmm . Sure . Sure . Sure , sure , sure , sure . 1699.18 1700.69 1701.3 1701.77 1702.19 1702.42 1702.69 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1702.25 1735.901 1702.52 1735.75 Uh w one thing interesting is what we came up in the discussion also you about telling that uh detecting such scenarios where there is no relation between the slide and the person talking , that may be one good starting point for you actually . And then at that point y uh you detect something like that and then you show something like uh what you are saying that i if there is uh if uh there i if it is out of discussion , the words are no way are going to help your recognition anyway , A_S_R_ . 1714.93 1718.36 1730.87 1735.14 1735.75 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1710.361 1711.144 1710.43 1710.93 Mm-hmm . 1710.93 IN1016 A MIO104 0 1716.885 1717.354 1716.96 1717.28 Mm-hmm . 1717.28 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1735.901 1762.913 1736.23 1762.87 But if it is more on the um the slide information is not going to help you . But uh if it is uh if it is related to the sli what he is giving a presentation on the slide then you show the your A_S_R_ if you detect this even then you can show that how where you can really help or not help . Because you say there's no correlation now . But then here it comes that there at some point there might be a correlation there . 1741.86 1755.9 1758.39 1762.87 IN1016 A MIO104 0 1758.261 1758.801 1758.35 1758.74 Mm-hmm . 1758.74 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1762.056 1803.032 1762.34 1802.92 No no , be careful . For the recognition in general there is no correlation in the sense that even if you're talking about what is on the slide , most of the words you use most of the words you use are not really correlated to that . Are simply words . And consider also that we all speak English here . And apart of uh native English speakers we have a very limited vocabulary in general . So we tend to use always the same words . But on average , you know , linguistic research shows that on average the people use five hundred words . That's what we have a disposition . And we say everything uh yeah . We say everything with that . And probably we , not a native English speaker , we use even less . 1762.69 1764.47 1771.95 1777.93 1778.64 1781.64 1786.47 1788.7 1789.42 1789.64 1794.05 1795.52 1797.88 1799.31 1800.65 1801.9 1802.92 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1765.732 1766.289 1765.83 1766.18 Mm-hmm . 1766.18 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1773.552 1774.343 1773.85 1774.24 Hmm - IN1016 D MIO050 3 1773.802 1774.551 1773.91 1774.42 Mm-hmm . 1774.42 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1778.132 1778.617 1778.21 1778.4 Yeah . 1778.4 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1781.335 1781.842 1781.39 1781.78 Yeah . 1781.78 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1785.463 1786.045 1785.53 1786.01 Yeah . 1786.01 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1786.226 1787.238 1786.34 1787.238 Yeah , this was 1786.56 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1794.592 1796.118 1794.63 1796.06 So okay . 1796.06 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1794.955 1797.555 1795.04 1797.4 Yeah . For English it's especially low . Yeah . 1795.52 1797.13 1797.4 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1799.23 1800.111 1799.23 1800.111 . 1800.111 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1803.032 1851.143 1803.32 1851.09 So that's gives an idea of why basically in terms of recognition it doesn't really help because you always use anyway the same words . And a few occurrences of words that are there in terms of recognition make one , two percent . So maybe it's not enough to justify uh an effort to improve the recognition . Then you can change of task and use a task , the task we were mentioning about the back channel or foreground channel . In that case the only words that really are important are those words that appear on both slides . At that point , I mean , a little improvement of that , it becomes a big improvement . I mean maybe in terms of recognition it's zero point five percent . But in terms of that task is maybe twenty percent . 1812.21 1816.63 1817.81 1823.9 1826.47 1830.06 1837.81 1838.9 1840.22 1842.17 1843.52 1847.66 1851.09 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1811.238 1811.749 1811.43 1811.67 Yeah . 1811.67 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1811.575 1812.257 1811.65 1812.14 Mm-hmm . 1812.14 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1817.615 1818.28 1817.71 1818.11 Mm . 1818.11 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1821.063 1821.57 1821.08 1821.44 Oh . 1821.44 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1823.282 1823.766 1823.3 1823.64 Speci - IN1016 D MIO050 3 1823.633 1824.24 1823.75 1824.09 Mm-hmm . 1824.09 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1825.517 1826.149 1825.58 1825.98 Okay . 1825.98 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1829.956 1830.515 1829.99 1830.34 Mm-hmm . 1830.34 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1832.46 1833.117 1832.55 1832.91 Mm-hmm . 1832.91 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1835.504 1837.724 1835.97 1837.56 The th sides and the talk . 1837.56 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1837.004 1837.714 1837.14 1837.55 Yeah . 1837.55 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1843.78 1844.47 1843.87 1844.4 Yeah . 1844.4 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1846.972 1847.529 1847.06 1847.45 Yeah . 1847.45 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1850.752 1874.312 1850.93 1874.18 Yeah . Well another thing you have to remember is these models have been tuned to include AMI data . So I mean perhaps if you had slides and and presentations to do with something that was off topic , you didn't have you hadn't seen any prior data , then you might see a bigger contribution as well . But I mean essentially you've actually sort of included the information from the slides in the language model . 1851.5 1858.39 1863.98 1867.01 1869.26 1874.18 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1851.309 1851.924 1851.39 1851.8 Okay . 1851.8 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1857.921 1858.378 1858.03 1858.31 Yeah . 1858.31 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1864.968 1866.147 1865.03 1866.08 Like another mic . 1866.08 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1866.162 1866.757 1866.44 1866.63 Yeah . 1866.63 IN1016 A MIO104 0 1866.639 1867.151 1866.74 1866.96 Mm-hmm . 1866.96 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1869.333 1870.158 1869.72 1869.93 Yeah . 1869.93 IN1016 A MIO104 0 1873.513 1873.993 1873.513 1873.993 . 1873.993 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1874.237 1886.561 1874.34 1886.43 That's another interesting point . I mean we are using data that are fake . Any uh in any case they are simulation , no real data . And especially the slides . I think I've seen those slides . I mean they are pretty much artificial . 1875.94 1878.45 1880.68 1881.92 1883.17 1884.76 1886.43 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1881.599 1882.089 1881.68 1881.97 Yeah . 1881.97 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1886.433 1890.564 1886.57 1890.23 Okay . Okay , they're pre pre prepared . Okay . 1887.06 1887.3 1889.89 1890.23 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1889.045 1891.452 1889.14 1891.452 Exactly . But but not pre-prepare . But 1889.78 1890.98 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1889.169 1901.457 1889.29 1901.32 Th yeah , most of the most of the time you have the title to do , no . The AMI dat the AMI data what that like that only most of the time you knew they had the word . The word you are going to present . Everyone is presenting the same set of slide . 1889.85 1892.1 1892.38 1897.2 1899.25 1901.32 IN1016 A MIO104 0 1889.499 1890.282 1889.7 1890.1 Mm-hmm . 1890.1 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1895.263 1896.931 1895.35 1896.931 Yeah , but 1895.6 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1900.358 1930.444 1900.55 1930.444 Yeah , I yeah , I mean uh everything is pretty much artificial . That that's what I mean . So you mention for example this uh fact that sometimes uh speakers tend to read . This is especially true when you have bullet list , huh . Sometimes people really go through . It didn't happen in the data simply because uh uh it was not the same people prepa uh exactly . Ah ? So for example it will be possible in any case because the Herve's infrastructure is ready and now we are going to collect the presentation . There maybe we can see 1901.13 1901.65 1903.61 1904.48 1909.46 1912.07 1912.2 1914.31 1921.21 1922.14 1928.65 IN1016 A MIO104 0 1901.516 1902.075 1901.55 1901.73 Uh-huh . 1901.73 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1904.476 1905.025 1904.59 1904.96 Yeah . 1904.96 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1910.032 1910.909 1910.05 1910.81 Yeah , yeah . 1910.39 1910.81 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1918.446 1923.905 1918.53 1923.905 It's not there . Okay . 1920.82 1923.51 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1930.343 1941.194 1930.46 1941.02 What about M_L_M_I_ ? W the one we collected last year . Audio is very bad , right ? Yeah . uh one single channel or at least a closed channel collection , no . 1931.61 1934.71 1935.63 1935.99 1937.67 1940.75 1941.02 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1932.528 1938.1 1932.55 1937.48 Y the audio quality though . Yeah . Yeah . 1934.58 1935.9 1937.48 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1933.265 1937.889 1934.06 1937.889 The audio is is is very bad . I I thing is really 1936.14 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1941.157 1966.254 1941.24 1966.16 You know , that was collected m a little bit like this without uh too much care . It was it was uh a personal effort of Mael that decided to do it . It was really good to do it . It was very good . But basically it was made without any specific um,you know , without thinking we want to recognize , just to have them . So the especially the audio channel is absolutely awful . 1941.48 1947.12 1951.08 1952.78 1953.88 1958.65 1960.39 1962.2 1966.16 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1947.742 1949.056 1947.88 1948.97 Okay , okay , okay . 1948.36 1948.58 1948.97 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1951.616 1953.718 1951.8 1953.718 It was good . Tha tha tha that 1952.48 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1952.673 1953.957 1952.73 1953.957 Was good to yeah . 1953.82 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1956.695 1958.129 1956.9 1957.96 Uh okay . 1957.96 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1964.64 1965.135 1964.66 1965.03 Yeah . 1965.03 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1965.346 1969.811 1965.4 1969.811 So they are is there are still using that uh desktop microphone or what over there . Or 1969.49 IN1016 C MIE034 2 1969.218 2006.311 1969.38 2006.21 Ah . Yeah , they had like uh y uh y they , you know , they had this set-up with the uh the microphones . So someone every it there was one microphone shared between every two people . But they had deals with people forgetting to turn the microphone on , forgetting to turn it off , uh f it was it was meant I think they they chose that lecture theatre possibly with the idea that it would be good for collecting data . I mean I uh I'm sure they could have probably had University of Edinburgh host it or whatever . But I th I think the , you know , the H_C_I_ part of it didn't quite work out to how they planned . So ap 1969.9 1970.06 1971.54 1971.81 1974.66 1979.23 1982.31 1983.76 1992.26 1997.35 2000.65 2000.94 2004.79 IN1016 D MIO050 3 1974.747 1975.337 1974.92 1975.337 Uh - IN1016 D MIO050 3 1978.815 1979.92 1978.87 1979.72 Ah . 1979.72 IN1016 B MIO031 1 1992.118 1992.752 1992.28 1992.65 Mm-hmm . 1992.65 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2002.212 2003.851 2002.212 2003.851 Yeah . 2003.66 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2002.379 2003.103 2002.5 2002.92 Okay . 2002.92 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2004.486 2006.254 2004.58 2006.21 Okay . That's fine , yeah . 2005.27 2005.66 2006.21 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2005.53 2025.963 2005.8 2025.963 Uh that's uh that's that is one of the reason for example why which uh mark we point pretty much on slides as a mean of indexing . Because at that point there is no interaction between humans and capture . Because whenever you have microphones that you have to move , it's it's it becomes complete uh really 2013.68 2018.49 2022.15 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2017.967 2018.749 2018.09 2018.54 Yeah . 2018.54 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2022.929 2024.591 2023.02 2024.591 It's a . Yeah it's a 2023.42 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2023.929 2044.048 2024.15 2043.99 Yeah . Um it is I mean it's same as us putting on a the headphones and whatever . I mean even that minor thing . I mean any any audio captured during that period is i is rubbish . But there's no sort of system that's really built to d to be able to say when you're you're capturing that . 2024.84 2029.56 2032.38 2037.32 2043.99 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2037.288 2037.831 2037.49 2037.71 Yeah . 2037.71 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2040.163 2053.11 2040.39 2053.11 Yeah , I understand . Okay , so now there be uh would be some time wh what is we should be getting a time recording system , right ? That uh uh uh so 2040.91 2042.76 2043.07 2048.79 2049.15 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2048.988 2057.853 2049.17 2057.74 We are building this slowly . I mean it's it's unfortunate . I mean is is is taking time for the material and so on . But yeah . There will be this . 2051.35 2053.01 2056.23 2056.71 2057.74 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2053.969 2054.616 2054.05 2054.46 Okay . 2054.46 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2055.471 2055.928 2055.56 2055.83 Mm . 2055.83 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2055.983 2056.542 2056.24 2056.542 The - IN1016 D MIO050 3 2057.8 2058.573 2057.86 2058.4 Okay . 2058.4 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2057.832 2063.021 2057.87 2063.021 Uh what will that incorporate ? Will it incorporate like uh an S_M_A_ and uh 2059.38 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2062.607 2083.97 2062.607 2083.87 Uh it will be one camera pointing very general but just for display purposes essentially . One uh microphone . And we are thinking to use uh lapel microphone , you know , this this thing . And so that potentially helpful hopefully helpful to to do recognition . And to slides through the projector . 2069.74 2071.1 2074.63 2074.92 2076.52 2081.35 2083.87 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2069.072 2069.49 2069.09 2069.39 Yep . 2069.39 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2074.237 2075.11 2074.35 2074.97 Lapel . 2074.97 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2074.909 2075.514 2075.04 2075.38 Okay . 2075.38 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2079.848 2080.813 2079.88 2080.73 Should be okay . 2080.73 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2081.096 2082.919 2081.26 2082.78 Yeah . Okay . 2082.41 2082.78 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2084.255 2093.95 2084.37 2093.39 Okay . So no no uh microphone arrays or anything like that . I guess that's quite a that's a quite a bi big deal for setting up the recordings , I guess . 2084.78 2089.55 2092.93 2093.39 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2089.383 2090.855 2089.93 2090.57 Wo - IN1016 B MIO031 1 2092.629 2122.644 2092.629 2122.51 Let's say that uh in any case uh w well there are two reason . First of all we are trying to do something that can be easily the the the idea is really it's something that you take you bring somewhere else and it works . So it must be as easy as possible . But in any case I mean the device we are doing has input channels . So some way you can add as many input as we want . So we are dealing now with three . But there are other input uh lines open . 2097.24 2105.31 2107.21 2113.45 2116.27 2118.36 2122.51 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2092.939 2097.18 2093.17 2097.03 No , it it's it's uh quite a bit , yeah , problem , to do that kind of thing . 2093.68 2095.16 2095.38 2096.04 2097.03 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2105.188 2105.67 2105.29 2105.5 Yeah . 2105.5 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2105.263 2107.407 2105.32 2107.21 Yeah . Yep . 2106.99 2107.21 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2115.262 2116.304 2115.262 2116.27 As you want , yep . 2116.11 2116.27 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2119.791 2120.622 2119.88 2120.49 Mm . 2120.49 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2121.806 2122.514 2121.97 2122.38 Okay . 2122.38 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2122.52 2147.858 2122.83 2147.66 Yeah , but probably we were the f you know , the post uh the the thing is somewhere projector . Suppose there's like the the white-board or whatever , the presentation is over there , the speaker is more probably is going to this way or that way . So probably you you may not need a very big microphone either . Probably one or two . uh uh ye uh yeah . Uh yeah . 2123.05 2125.5 2129.22 2133.45 2135.03 2137.45 2140.8 2142.78 2146.99 2147.66 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2142.433 2170.266 2142.53 2170.266 Yeah , but let's pretend that it's not going to happen in any foreseeable future . Wh uh the I mean I'm just thinking from practical perspectives , you'd you'd have to the the AMI recognition system that we have now is either for these microphones or for the microphone array . There's no lapel system trained for instance . So I mean that in itself , it would I mean you'd have some fun training some more speech recognition models . But 2142.99 2147.67 2150.82 2159.95 2162.05 2163.12 2169.49 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2157.772 2158.424 2157.86 2158.25 Mm-hmm . 2158.25 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2159.915 2160.381 2159.99 2160.25 Mm-hmm . 2160.25 IN1016 A MIO104 0 2167.11 2167.768 2167.2 2167.63 Mm-hmm . 2167.63 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2167.22 2210.132 2167.22 2210.132 Although at that point we can use this . I mean I was mention the the lapel microphone mm just like this . But if you tell me this , that's very interesting because at this point we can use this kind of things . But I don't why why not uh so there will be other data , their test data . Uh and especially for this kind of problem I think it can be a much more useful kind of data because there is real presentations . I mean is it's reality . You know , it's it's it's uh y n it it it it's exactly . It's more realistic and um yeah , probably it can help go in this direction of saying well let's see what happen between speech and slides . Uh 2170.53 2174.33 2176.02 2180.49 2183.78 2184.52 2192.74 2194.8 2195.1 2200.55 2204.11 2209.65 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2175.193 2175.892 2175.27 2175.7 Yeah . 2175.7 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2178.994 2179.618 2179.1 2179.54 Hmm . 2179.54 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2179.023 2181.366 2179.17 2181.366 Yeah . Yeah . Yeah , that's 2180.08 2180.68 2181.09 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2193.054 2193.555 2193.11 2193.48 Sure . 2193.48 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2195.088 2195.508 2195.12 2195.33 Yeah . 2195.33 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2196.904 2200.109 2196.98 2200.0 It's what you should be using for this type of task . 2200.0 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2205.183 2205.715 2205.26 2205.715 I think - IN1016 C MIE034 2 2210.194 2246.393 2210.3 2246.34 Yeah . And every time we d we generate a new corpus and try to carry out new research we discover sort of areas that are too controlled , you know . I mean the AMI ones were a lot better in term of that than M_ four or whatever . But still . I mean es especially when you get into higher level sort of uh interpretation , it's yeah . Oh well . I'm uh I'm just curious , do the like the ICSI meetings , do they have anything other than the audio ? Do they have slides or anything along that I don't think they would . Okay , I'm just thinking whether or not there an are any other sources , I mean maybe CHIL data ? 2210.86 2219.63 2220.12 2224.39 2225.84 2231.27 2233.35 2235.1 2236.14 2237.52 2239.3 2242.32 2242.5 2244.62 2246.34 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2219.215 2220.176 2219.31 2220.02 Yeah , yeah , yeah . 2219.56 2219.74 2220.02 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2223.026 2225.197 2223.16 2225.07 Yeah . Mm-hmm . 2224.77 2225.07 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2228.382 2228.872 2228.48 2228.78 Yeah . 2228.78 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2231.77 2232.793 2231.87 2232.71 Yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah . 2232.06 2232.24 2232.4 2232.71 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2235.087 2235.636 2235.13 2235.5 Yeah . 2235.5 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2240.821 2242.43 2240.93 2242.43 No the they the the the - IN1016 A MIO104 0 2241.498 2241.999 2241.61 2241.9 No . 2241.9 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2245.656 2254.227 2245.81 2254.1 CHIL may be interesting for you . But it's a l uh well yeah , it may be interesting for your problem , I think . Y yeah . No no no . 2247.52 2249.09 2250.75 2251.34 2253.62 2254.1 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2251.263 2251.837 2251.34 2251.69 Yeah . 2251.69 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2252.047 2256.58 2252.07 2256.58 'Cause it's I think it's gonna be more like the TAM type situation . So 2256.02 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2255.401 2274.633 2255.59 2274.4 Yeah . Yeah , it's more like TAM . But uh yeah . The the their collection is much uh uh like they have uh R_T_N_s and all those thing . People sitting and uh it's a lec it's a lecture uh a meeting collection . And I uh is it through n n uh L_D_A_ or something . 2256.65 2256.87 2257.74 2259.56 2264.89 2269.71 2274.4 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2256.608 2257.291 2256.71 2257.1 Mm-hmm . 2257.1 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2259.431 2259.963 2259.54 2259.71 Yep . 2259.71 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2262.288 2262.682 2262.31 2262.64 Mm-hmm . 2262.64 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2265.332 2266.804 2265.42 2266.63 Okay , that is cool . 2266.04 2266.63 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2266.075 2266.687 2266.075 2266.687 . 2266.687 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2268.732 2270.173 2268.85 2269.98 Yeah , yeah . That's cool . 2269.23 2269.54 2269.98 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2273.893 2286.767 2273.893 2286.47 I don't know . But I mean given that it's coming from the same basis as AMI , I I expect there has to be some sort of relatively f liberal sort of distribution policy . Yeah . 2275.09 2278.58 2286.17 2286.47 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2283.687 2291.663 2283.74 2291.56 Uh yeah , yeah . Yeah , it's a it's a European project anyway . So I guess uh it must be available somewhere . Yeah . 2284.15 2284.42 2284.68 2286.59 2291.22 2291.56 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2283.756 2284.353 2283.81 2284.01 Mm-hmm . 2284.01 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2286.278 2292.206 2286.49 2292.16 Yeah . So so probably we can yeah . CHIL may be interesting actually . You can look at it . 2286.73 2289.22 2291.21 2292.16 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2291.131 2337.277 2291.22 2337.02 Yeah . The one thing about that , and this is something that came up in the last NIST evals , was the fact that it's almost too uni-modal . You've just got one lecturer talking . So once again you don't see the the complex sort of levels of interaction . I mean uh y uh there's no way of getting around that . I mean you just have to think of a a task a challenge that is relevant to that type of recording , which might mm you might use the same methods as what we've been pr talking about today . But the actual sort of what you're trying to measure might need to be slightly slightly different I guess . I don't yeah , you know , in terms of in terms of , say , measuring whether or not they're talking about the slides or off channel , I mean you might find ninety eight percent of your data is directly referring to your slides in a t in a TAM . 2291.9 2293.82 2296.03 2299.03 2300.66 2306.08 2309.41 2314.99 2319.51 2326.39 2327.14 2327.35 2328.41 2328.62 2332.15 2337.02 IN1016 A MIO104 0 2292.67 2293.136 2292.67 2293.136 . 2293.136 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2296.732 2297.296 2296.85 2297.12 Mm-hmm . 2297.12 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2305.363 2305.885 2305.44 2305.76 Yeah . 2305.76 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2309.393 2309.938 2309.56 2309.78 Yeah . 2309.78 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2313.012 2313.492 2313.09 2313.41 Yeah . 2313.41 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2315.215 2315.653 2315.28 2315.56 Mm-hmm . 2315.56 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2317.899 2318.567 2317.99 2318.48 Mm-hmm . 2318.48 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2325.799 2327.977 2325.88 2327.977 Mm-hmm . M 2327.37 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2331.061 2332.41 2331.24 2332.19 Yeah , mm-hmm . 2331.91 2332.19 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2335.453 2336.584 2335.54 2336.55 In the text . 2336.55 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2336.826 2339.565 2337.0 2339.565 But only we're measuring one third . It's not 2338.85 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2339.626 2341.193 2339.77 2341.16 That is uh is in TAMs . 2341.16 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2341.152 2373.862 2341.31 2373.862 At least in no , I'm uh talking now about um the meeting . How presentation , of course . On presentation it it should be one hundred percent , yeah . Yeah yeah yeah , of course . No , that is just something that in my opinion uh with the work that's been already done is something we can get pretty quickly . It's an interesting task . It's more specific on uh meetings . Certainly not for uh for presentation . And it represent a nice task that can be measured , that is clear and 2343.1 2348.07 2348.93 2349.34 2351.97 2352.34 2353.06 2353.84 2353.98 2362.02 2363.0 2366.04 2369.43 2372.03 IN1016 A MIO104 0 2344.744 2346.487 2344.9 2346.487 AMI meeting . 2346.15 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2345.313 2353.981 2345.313 2353.89 Yeah , but I'm I'm meaning if you move on to these corpora , yeah . So you might wanna be doing something else basically , yeah . 2345.83 2348.94 2350.31 2353.41 2353.89 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2347.892 2348.541 2347.95 2348.42 Mm . 2348.42 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2359.808 2360.238 2359.83 2360.13 Yeah . 2360.13 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2361.716 2362.175 2361.8 2362.03 Yep . 2362.03 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2365.712 2366.08 2365.73 2365.99 Yeah . 2365.99 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2368.464 2368.79 2368.48 2368.71 Yep . 2368.71 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2373.888 2383.35 2373.91 2383.35 Yeah . And uh and at the s and at the same end of the day , you're probably going to be using or learning about the same techniques that you'll need for doing other things along these lines . So 2374.36 2376.33 2382.77 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2378.028 2394.677 2378.18 2394.677 Mm yeah . Yeah . Uh i in terms of actual recognition can of course uh help . So it's it's uh but of course not going to be it's not going to be a kind of thesis about this . No , that doesn't make any sense . I mean 2379.46 2380.55 2386.33 2392.68 2392.99 2394.11 IN1016 A MIO104 0 2379.972 2380.463 2380.09 2380.34 Mm-hmm . 2380.34 IN1016 A MIO104 0 2382.101 2382.696 2382.2 2382.6 Mm yeah . 2382.6 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2387.597 2388.213 2387.69 2388.07 Okay . 2388.07 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2388.439 2389.171 2388.49 2389.171 Well but uh - IN1016 C MIE034 2 2392.893 2398.883 2392.893 2398.883 It well it's it's to make a proposal basically for your yep uh - IN1016 A MIO104 0 2394.668 2395.629 2394.69 2395.52 It's a first step . 2395.52 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2398.264 2399.122 2398.264 2398.91 S - IN1016 B MIO031 1 2398.414 2429.007 2398.54 2428.97 That uh , in a sense , if you want I mean that that's at least the way I see the that list I have made for my own thesis . I mean uh you define that domain I mean which is uh large , I mean which can be very general . So interaction between uh speech and slides , cool . And then you see how all these things , this two little works , or the statistical independence . And detecting when it is uh are two little works that some way fit in that very general uh framework . 2399.16 2399.63 2404.1 2408.58 2409.97 2413.13 2413.83 2415.59 2416.77 2418.5 2428.97 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2404.883 2405.509 2404.9 2405.42 This n - IN1016 D MIO050 3 2406.991 2407.532 2407.07 2407.42 Yep . 2407.42 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2426.07 2426.918 2426.18 2426.82 Hmm . 2426.82 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2429.222 2429.775 2429.29 2429.6 Okay . 2429.6 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2430.5 2474.161 2430.59 2474.161 Shown from this point of view it n that things mm there are other things , for example one that I really would like to do which is kind of fun . So when you have a bullet list can I click on one of the bullet and get the piece of speech where the guy was talking about that . Because sometimes people just read . Sometimes people uh im improve is more uh so for example that what that's another thing that fits in that kind of uh mm framework . And that's interesting in terms of uh I mean first of all again is measurable in terms of browsing , in terms of retrieval , in terms of indexing , annotation , meta-data extraction . That can be applied in many 2433.59 2436.82 2446.74 2449.16 2460.29 2466.65 2468.52 2469.7 2470.4 2472.08 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2438.558 2438.965 2438.62 2438.84 Yep . 2438.84 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2443.213 2443.809 2443.26 2443.77 The sp - IN1016 C MIE034 2 2444.624 2445.168 2444.64 2445.01 Mm-hmm . 2445.01 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2446.481 2447.087 2446.56 2447.02 Yeah . 2447.02 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2446.522 2447.387 2446.62 2447.21 Mm-hmm . 2447.21 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2448.903 2451.2 2448.92 2451.09 Sure . Sometimes it's a lot more . 2450.07 2451.09 IN1016 A MIO104 0 2449.033 2449.629 2449.34 2449.54 Hmm . 2449.54 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2459.735 2460.205 2459.8 2460.11 Yeah . 2460.11 IN1016 A MIO104 0 2459.757 2460.316 2459.83 2460.11 Hmm . 2460.11 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2464.304 2464.785 2464.38 2464.71 Yeah . 2464.71 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2468.333 2468.772 2468.41 2468.69 Mm yeah . 2468.69 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2471.936 2472.35 2471.96 2472.27 Yeah . 2472.27 IN1016 A MIO104 0 2472.097 2485.348 2472.22 2485.348 And we could uh do automatical uh speaker rating if there are good speakers or bad speakers depending if they just read uh - IN1016 C MIE034 2 2478.689 2482.033 2478.689 2482.033 Well , you'd uh sure . 2480.3 2481.99 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2479.934 2488.746 2480.28 2488.67 That would be you know , that uh that's uh that's something uh you're maybe joking now . That's something that can uh be done for example . 2481.69 2485.37 2488.67 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2483.544 2486.182 2483.69 2486.182 That's that's a yeah . 2486.04 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2485.267 2496.421 2485.267 2496.421 At l at at least spot if they forget to talk about something and it won't let them continue on to the next slide until they've gone through all the points . 2495.72 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2488.043 2489.55 2488.24 2489.32 That that they have . 2489.32 IN1016 A MIO104 0 2488.624 2489.107 2488.65 2489.05 Mm-hmm . 2489.05 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2493.582 2537.711 2493.582 2537.48 And uh some way there are parameters that can be measured that tell you that following certain uh criteria uh there is one very easy for example . I had the the the sp there are speaker that never look at the audience . Those are bad speakers in general . It's very wrong . You have to look at the audience . This is one . There is for example , and this is something that eventually can be done . If you have a certain number of words on your slides you need a certain amount of time to read them . The speakers that take a time which is too close to that , they are not good speaker because some way uh um they're talking too fast . 2505.66 2510.54 2511.95 2512.84 2515.21 2516.25 2517.5 2520.14 2526.76 2531.8 2537.48 IN1016 A MIO104 0 2491.655 2496.459 2493.59 2496.459 Yeah . 2496.01 IN1016 A MIO104 0 2498.975 2499.497 2499.1 2499.34 Mm-hmm . 2499.34 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2499.248 2499.835 2499.27 2499.75 Yeah . 2499.75 IN1016 A MIO104 0 2509.154 2509.644 2509.26 2509.55 Mm-hmm . 2509.55 IN1016 A MIO104 0 2511.529 2511.926 2511.55 2511.82 Yeah . 2511.82 IN1016 A MIO104 0 2513.919 2514.358 2513.98 2514.3 Mm-hmm . 2514.3 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2514.078 2514.632 2514.2 2514.52 Yeah . 2514.52 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2526.017 2526.707 2526.12 2526.53 Mm . 2526.53 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2534.654 2544.64 2534.69 2544.64 They're talking fast . I had a problem I like find the answer for my own . Yeah . 2536.56 2543.76 2544.25 IN1016 A MIO104 0 2534.913 2535.621 2535.13 2535.49 Mm-hmm . 2535.49 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2535.974 2545.724 2536.05 2545.724 Yeah . Well uh that that was just through sheer weight of content though . 2537.1 2545.4 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2540.071 2542.545 2540.27 2542.545 They are not uh - IN1016 A MIO104 0 2540.42 2541.948 2540.58 2541.51 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . Yeah . 2540.72 2541.05 2541.51 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2544.08 2569.68 2544.25 2569.68 Yeah , they are not giving you the time . And there is a certain number of things that can be uh some way detected and measured that tell you whether the speaker is actually respecting some form of uh uh . It's a bit uh of having difficult and uh I would not um go that much in that direction . I mean it's uh but you know you know uh 2544.47 2545.52 2555.94 2563.86 IN1016 A MIO104 0 2548.917 2549.439 2549.11 2549.21 Yeah . 2549.21 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2555.573 2555.983 2555.66 2555.75 W - IN1016 C MIE034 2 2556.763 2558.964 2557.36 2558.85 B yeah . 2558.85 IN1016 A MIO104 0 2563.246 2563.726 2563.33 2563.53 Mm-hmm . 2563.53 IN1016 A MIO104 0 2565.97 2568.139 2566.07 2568.04 Maybe possible someday . Yeah . 2567.81 2568.04 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2568.419 2573.92 2568.51 2573.75 So what about the figure things ? What happens if there's a figures coming on the slide ? So what do you want to do with that ? 2569.97 2572.43 2573.75 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2574.298 2576.493 2574.36 2576.493 Figure , you know 2575.5 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2575.115 2582.672 2575.115 2582.64 As in five , six , you know number where where the graphemic yeah , well I yeah . 2576.33 2578.14 2581.24 2582.64 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2575.242 2576.684 2575.32 2576.49 On the s uh-huh . 2576.49 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2578.097 2579.377 2578.17 2579.377 Either stop it - IN1016 B MIO031 1 2578.612 2612.031 2579.2 2611.98 Tables , number . Ah , visual things . Well , that's for example with uh we submitted a project with J Jean-Marc um to use that thing as meta-data . And basically one thing for example we're trying to do and and again , this is something that can fit , huh . It will be not uh maybe . But but uh if you get the project , et cetera in any case it's something that Jean-Marc and me we want to do . Uh based on the kind of graphic object you have , so tables , questions , uh figures , plots , et cetera the side one for example , it is a result . 2579.78 2581.4 2581.62 2582.37 2582.7 2589.27 2592.95 2594.1 2594.33 2596.82 2598.57 2601.72 2604.66 2606.07 2606.81 2608.11 2608.6 2611.06 2611.98 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2580.699 2581.416 2580.81 2581.08 Yeah . 2581.08 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2586.247 2586.962 2586.32 2586.78 Okay . 2586.78 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2588.408 2589.14 2588.48 2589.01 Okay . 2589.01 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2605.6 2606.365 2605.68 2606.25 Okay . 2606.25 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2612.646 2613.378 2612.73 2613.28 Okay . 2613.28 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2613.596 2624.254 2613.65 2624.09 Try to get so that's again in terms of structuring , browsing , structure and retrieval , okay when it is a result . When it is an introduction . 2617.36 2617.84 2619.84 2622.67 2624.09 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2622.384 2623.005 2622.48 2622.86 Okay . 2622.86 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2624.676 2625.333 2624.75 2625.23 Okay . 2625.23 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2625.703 2626.256 2625.77 2626.22 Yeah . 2626.22 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2626.331 2628.944 2626.54 2628.944 When it is uh - IN1016 C MIE034 2 2629.349 2658.653 2629.46 2658.653 Although I remember discussing this like um 'cause uh when Neville was working on his his stuff , which was just based on the slides , if um he he asked me all you know , could I pre-segment the slides for him uh , you know , because you wanted to s you wanted to have the topic segmentation . And I said well just look at the the headings . Because anybody generally who writes the slides yeah . It's not okay . It's true for me then . Okay . 2635.79 2637.45 2640.29 2643.51 2643.73 2646.65 2650.39 2655.41 2656.06 2656.93 2658.26 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2629.395 2630.135 2629.52 2629.9 Okay . 2629.9 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2637.491 2637.909 2637.59 2637.79 Yeah . 2637.79 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2644.064 2646.395 2644.08 2646.395 Yes , yes , yes , yes , yes , yes . Uh 2644.68 2645.05 2645.37 2645.65 2645.91 2646.16 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2649.949 2650.847 2649.949 2650.71 Yeah . 2650.71 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2650.048 2651.922 2650.59 2651.922 Um - IN1016 D MIO050 3 2652.163 2655.929 2652.21 2655.929 Usually in products and resources . 2655.6 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2653.841 2690.723 2654.22 2690.63 It's not really true . It's not really it's not really true . Yeah , yeah , it's not really true . Yeah , that's o it's one of the most funny thing , I mean you can see when you work in this thing . Each one of us has an idea and then it's not true at all . I mean s some people actually are stick very carefully . If the p if they put in the outline uh let's say title one , title two , then you'll you find title one , title two . But many other people , and I am one of those people for example , are much more general . So my outline is something like introduction and experiments , the results , conclusions . You don't find the same title in the slides . 2655.35 2657.07 2657.34 2657.45 2658.59 2658.71 2660.24 2661.76 2664.95 2669.83 2673.64 2674.34 2675.95 2677.53 2678.65 2680.27 2681.26 2686.22 2686.79 2688.03 2690.63 IN1016 A MIO104 0 2657.135 2657.778 2657.28 2657.62 Mm-hmm . 2657.62 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2677.231 2677.743 2677.34 2677.61 Yep . 2677.61 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2681.296 2682.02 2681.46 2681.8 Okay . 2681.8 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2683.632 2684.146 2683.79 2684.03 Yeah . 2684.03 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2690.832 2696.8 2690.85 2696.74 Okay . Okay . Uh it yeah , it depends , yeah . That's a stylistic thing as much as anything . Yep . 2692.1 2692.64 2693.82 2694.41 2695.11 2696.64 2696.74 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2693.589 2721.167 2693.61 2721.06 It's it's really a different style of uh there are people that don't put , for example , outline . We were uh for example in the um corpus of M_L_M_E_ , so the one is on the demo . Fifty percent of the presentation have no outline . In the corpus of the TAM two thousand four , TAM presentation , twenty five percent of the presentation have no outline at all . 2697.58 2698.45 2699.36 2703.9 2705.57 2710.68 2715.49 2717.79 2721.06 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2705.102 2705.551 2705.18 2705.44 Yeah . 2705.44 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2710.08 2710.57 2710.11 2710.42 Hmm . 2710.42 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2716.069 2716.57 2716.16 2716.43 Mm . 2716.43 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2720.88 2727.306 2720.91 2727.09 Yeah . Which uh whether or not that's a good or a bad thing . It depends on the talk . Yeah , presentation , yeah . 2722.28 2725.06 2725.98 2726.25 2726.93 2727.09 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2724.143 2744.323 2724.143 2744.323 That's that's uh what yeah , uh w it is . And basically that's that's uh and again , the outline is typical maybe in scientific presentation . Well in that case that majority has . Other kind of presentation probably no . I mean it's it's an habit we have . But um you but again uh 2726.71 2727.28 2729.7 2732.8 2734.95 2737.95 2739.76 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2732.505 2733.058 2732.59 2732.97 Yeah . 2732.97 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2737.056 2737.546 2737.15 2737.44 Yeah . 2737.44 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2741.026 2747.492 2741.026 2747.41 Something we're taught at university from a very young age . the structure . 2746.65 2747.41 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2746.188 2756.466 2746.32 2756.33 I mean unfortunately th n there is nothing true . Nothing true , is is everything is chance pretty much . So uh that was on 2751.66 2752.21 2755.02 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2750.256 2752.083 2750.28 2752.04 Yeah , yeah , sure . It's all subjective . 2750.63 2750.79 2751.09 2752.04 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2754.985 2755.444 2755.05 2755.32 Hmm . 2755.32 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2757.789 2759.417 2758.07 2759.34 Okay . Okay . 2758.9 2759.34 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2758.657 2759.85 2758.83 2759.76 on possible work . 2759.76 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2759.883 2765.113 2759.883 2765.05 Okay , so what are you going to do between the data when you collect and this ? 2761.21 2765.05 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2766.874 2776.385 2767.0 2776.29 What do you want to do now ? By the time you get the data it's going to take another two months if I am right , the whole capturing system when it is going to come . So what is the next step ? 2768.73 2772.16 2775.11 2776.29 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2773.736 2774.279 2773.87 2774.17 Mm-hmm . 2774.17 IN1016 A MIO104 0 2778.512 2791.774 2778.59 2791.69 Well uh did trying to really determine the um the um uh subject of something for my proposal I mean . 2791.69 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2791.974 2804.84 2792.15 2804.84 Yeah , you have to submit it in like two months also again . Yeah , yeah , to submit , yeah . It's one year , right ? . 2792.46 2795.4 2797.43 2798.15 2798.61 2799.27 2799.88 2804.6 2804.6 IN1016 A MIO104 0 2795.063 2799.966 2795.063 2799.966 Yeah , aro around February or March . So really um 2795.9 2798.51 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2798.96 2799.482 2799.03 2799.2 Okay . 2799.2 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2800.388 2803.621 2800.51 2803.621 Yeah , yeah . It's quite strictly imposed now . 2800.9 2801.04 2803.08 IN1016 A MIO104 0 2802.169 2816.404 2802.51 2816.3 Yeah . So to find something for that . Uh also with the th thinking maybe turning this uh work into publication , the one about the for sure . 2802.9 2806.96 2813.21 2816.3 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2814.335 2820.471 2814.44 2820.471 Not maybe . For sure . 2815.21 2819.88 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2815.335 2821.135 2815.335 2821.135 For sure . You you need it bad . 2817.1 2818.9 IN1016 A MIO104 0 2819.992 2849.855 2820.2 2849.44 And uh also uh uh well that uh depends a little on on on you . But try to finish with the um measures and the call routing . 'Cause I was talking with that uh about that to Herve uh since I was uh I will recycle this poster for I_M_ two , you know , about uh about this . And uh that could be cool to to finish it . Maybe fuse it with uh Ian's work and uh do a journal paper he was suggesting . 2827.31 2832.61 2839.36 2839.6 2841.46 2843.9 2849.44 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2829.613 2833.431 2829.63 2833.08 Call routing where . That's inte 2832.37 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2832.295 2832.892 2832.37 2832.78 Ye - IN1016 D MIO050 3 2840.205 2840.779 2840.205 2840.779 . 2840.779 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2845.602 2847.507 2845.67 2847.21 I think we should yeah . 2847.21 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2848.526 2904.416 2848.66 2904.416 Yeah . After the after the hard drive crash we took the time to actually rebuild the the the system and actually train 'cause originally we sort of had the idea of oh we'll use a recognizer that's been trained on a large amount of telephone speech data and that should give us a better result . I just as a contrast , I trained one specifically on this data . Results were almost identical um which says to me there's something wrong with the data rather than and it's nothing serious . It's simply that it hasn't been um chunked it or or segmented in a way that's typical of speech resources . in terms of um you can have like uh a two second utterance , uh credit cards , and then twenty seconds of silence coming after it , which in which when you f when you first think about it , you just think oh silence , whatever , nothing will happen . But a lot of the normalization that we use 2849.52 2863.91 2865.37 2867.82 2877.17 2887.01 2891.28 2892.57 2895.29 2898.68 2899.58 2899.89 2901.14 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2851.735 2852.641 2851.92 2852.43 This is yeah . 2852.43 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2854.186 2855.117 2854.21 2854.92 Uh h oh . 2854.92 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2861.978 2862.558 2862.1 2862.38 Yeah . 2862.38 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2873.183 2873.823 2873.29 2873.6 Yeah . 2873.6 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2885.27 2885.836 2885.39 2885.69 Mm yeah . 2885.69 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2891.03 2891.593 2891.16 2891.54 Mm-hmm . 2891.54 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2894.285 2895.059 2894.32 2894.92 Mm yeah . 2894.92 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2894.864 2895.56 2894.88 2895.42 I see . 2895.42 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2896.653 2897.773 2897.21 2897.773 Uh uh - IN1016 B MIO031 1 2903.349 2905.03 2903.53 2904.95 I know . Yeah yeah . I know , I know , I know . 2903.95 2904.23 2904.49 2904.71 2904.95 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2904.416 2945.44 2904.67 2945.26 Uh yeah , C_M_S_ C_ C_V_N_ . Uh so w we need a decent end point detection system running before we can we can we can do that . And we're converging on having one now just in in sort of tandem with this development of this web based recognizer . Um but of course unfortunately all these things take time . Um but I I think we should see a decent sort of improvement then . Not just in terms of no longer having recognition errors whenever silence appears . 'Cause you get that immediate benefit that you don't have any insertion errors . But also it should actually affect the recognition on the speech segments as well . 2905.62 2907.69 2914.3 2922.73 2926.2 2933.22 2937.56 2941.29 2945.26 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2911.02 2911.851 2911.1 2911.72 Uh yeah . 2911.72 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2912.383 2913.198 2912.46 2913.14 I see . 2913.14 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2913.403 2918.076 2913.5 2918.01 Yeah . Even if little bit of . Oh . 2915.05 2917.48 2918.01 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2920.115 2920.655 2920.2 2920.655 This - IN1016 D MIO050 3 2922.179 2924.025 2922.73 2923.73 Uh ye yeah . 2923.73 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2927.137 2927.728 2927.36 2927.64 Yeah . 2927.64 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2930.139 2933.0 2930.28 2932.88 No no , I think you yeah , it's uh it's huge . Yeah . 2930.56 2931.14 2932.42 2932.88 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2944.615 2962.524 2944.68 2962.47 And so essentially say well as there is this silence time which tend to be even more than than how it is , so better to have a kind of silence detection . So something that really takes this and they recognize only that uh that part . This will improve the phoneme uh recognition rate . 2952.85 2954.77 2958.81 2962.47 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2950.92 2952.924 2951.08 2952.86 It it it's non-determinist . 2952.86 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2951.962 2952.335 2952.0 2952.17 Th - IN1016 C MIE034 2 2952.476 2953.008 2952.68 2953.008 The - IN1016 C MIE034 2 2955.504 2955.931 2955.52 2955.89 Yeah . 2955.89 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2957.961 2958.629 2958.09 2958.52 Yeah . 2958.52 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2962.432 2968.462 2962.47 2968.462 Mm that's the hard p oh I might uh given the trouble we've had with this corpus I can't make any promises . 2968.41 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2962.679 2964.776 2962.8 2964.776 Yeah , that's what we expect to 2963.09 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2964.688 2977.306 2964.76 2977.27 That's what it of of course , of course , of course . And at that point , even the uh call router that uh Jean Jean-Yves has uh made can improve uh its performance . 2967.02 2967.45 2968.01 2968.78 2977.27 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2976.345 2979.313 2976.49 2979.18 Yeah . Exa that's the intention there . 2977.88 2979.18 IN1016 C MIE034 2 2976.653 2978.637 2976.75 2978.45 That's the intention , yep . 2978.14 2978.45 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2978.806 2983.266 2978.91 2983.266 And it can be used after uh tool for the measure work . Uh 2982.77 IN1016 A MIO104 0 2982.99 2989.698 2983.06 2989.698 So so you're so what you are saying is that you you noticed that when you um tried other features and uh - IN1016 C MIE034 2 2983.102 2984.034 2983.21 2983.89 Sure , sure . 2983.67 2983.89 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2983.102 2983.513 2983.28 2983.37 Sure . 2983.37 IN1016 D MIO050 3 2989.205 2990.416 2989.31 2990.34 Mm ye - IN1016 C MIE034 2 2989.596 3010.349 2989.76 3010.29 We trained the system just on this data . Like there were there were six thousand utterances that weren't used for uh the call routing side of things . I think they th there were thirteen thousand in the entire corpus . Six t half of them roughly we've thrown away . So use that for acoustic training . And the results from that were almost the same as what we got for the C_T_S_ model . 2992.5 2998.94 3001.78 3004.1 3006.24 3010.29 IN1016 B MIO031 1 2995.568 2997.151 2995.68 2997.01 That we got . Mm-hmm . 2996.77 2997.01 IN1016 B MIO031 1 3001.805 3002.505 3002.04 3002.38 Mm-hmm . 3002.38 IN1016 B MIO031 1 3008.464 3009.191 3008.49 3008.78 Mm . 3008.78 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3008.647 3010.277 3008.647 3008.647 . 3008.647 IN1016 A MIO104 0 3008.978 3014.225 3009.27 3014.225 Because and initially it was a s Nuance , trained on Nuance , uh no ? Or 3012.11 3013.0 3013.66 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3012.531 3013.97 3012.66 3013.89 No , no , no , no , no . It i 3012.9 3013.03 3013.14 3013.21 3013.37 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3012.656 3025.213 3012.99 3025.213 Y yeah . But one can imagine a commercial system uh that that that s Steven Cox used from Nuance probably had all these things , built in end point detection , et cetera , et cetera . So 3013.45 3020.31 3021.75 3022.2 3023.38 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3021.26 3021.892 3021.33 3021.65 Yeah . 3021.65 IN1016 B MIO031 1 3022.394 3023.511 3022.5 3023.35 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 3023.01 3023.35 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3023.485 3058.438 3023.91 3058.438 Surely they should they should have had that actually . So maybe like we had to do this end point detection and probably a little bit of final filtering . And then I think you should be pretty much converging to the system . But the still the reason with the the they had like what are the systems we train on databases are they are chop neatly . That there is not too much silence beginning , not too much silence at the end . They are they are j they they chopped so neatly for the it like custom made database . But uh here it's not like that you know like uh-huh . 3026.95 3032.37 3036.56 3043.35 3045.43 3047.81 3053.89 3058.31 IN1016 A MIO104 0 3024.77 3025.48 3025.03 3025.44 Mm-hmm . 3025.44 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3032.03 3032.573 3032.1 3032.38 Mm . 3032.38 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3035.973 3036.506 3036.12 3036.37 Yeah . 3036.37 IN1016 B MIO031 1 3043.344 3044.2 3043.66 3044.07 Mm-hmm . 3044.07 IN1016 B MIO031 1 3045.652 3049.261 3045.68 3049.15 Sure , sure . Then oh yeah yeah yeah . I know . I know the problem . 3046.05 3046.8 3047.58 3047.78 3049.15 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3055.731 3067.282 3055.85 3067.282 Yeah . And there's also just things like tele uh receiver noise at the beginning and or at the end of the and I mean these these are things you can get rid of if it's a 3056.56 IN1016 B MIO031 1 3056.431 3058.571 3056.53 3058.19 I see . I see . I see . 3057.13 3057.82 3058.19 IN1016 B MIO031 1 3061.807 3064.373 3061.88 3063.97 Yeah , yeah , yeah . Yeah , yeah . 3062.04 3062.64 3062.91 3063.54 3063.97 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3062.74 3063.38 3062.88 3063.22 Yeah . 3063.22 IN1016 B MIO031 1 3066.207 3068.107 3066.33 3067.89 I see . I see the problem . 3066.9 3067.89 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3066.52 3114.921 3066.86 3114.921 There are the several things . Like one thing is like we can do this begin and end detection , as we said . Or you and he can uh we can try to use uh France Telecom's uh approach actually . And that um uh uh they they have this front end which uh uh which which can do a spectral . And plus it can give you a voice activity detection . Part f part from basis it can give . So somethi we can just yeah , we can just run it quickly and see . And probably you will have to run it . Will give you the idea that is it okay like ? Yeah . No no no no . Uh not running , I mean to say p probably uh he should run it or uh like we can ge help him to run it actually . Because at some point he has to get into 3067.91 3071.82 3072.8 3079.08 3087.63 3091.68 3095.01 3097.45 3099.84 3101.25 3105.06 3105.88 3106.41 3107.04 3112.82 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3071.556 3072.297 3071.67 3072.06 Mm . 3072.06 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3087.328 3088.027 3087.52 3087.96 Yep - IN1016 C MIE034 2 3091.008 3097.965 3091.03 3097.74 Mm okay , this is f okay . Okay . We can just run some generic yeah . 3091.59 3094.89 3095.66 3097.74 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3104.187 3107.062 3104.36 3107.062 Well I don't mind running it . I've got all the scripts set up . So 3105.35 3106.46 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3115.954 3116.365 3116.12 3116.365 Uh - IN1016 B MIO031 1 3116.526 3120.476 3116.62 3120.38 I'm not not sure it's . Yeah . I'm losi 3118.82 3119.34 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3116.805 3119.912 3116.93 3119.912 Well I'm not I'm not sure I see the point actually . Uh 3119.33 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3116.825 3125.623 3116.94 3125.44 I mean to say I I mean to say that it's okay . We have all the scripts . But probably uh he should run it I mean to say . 3120.96 3122.37 3125.44 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3122.261 3122.944 3122.4 3122.88 Mm . 3122.88 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3126.681 3130.448 3126.681 3130.448 I don't know . Yeah . Whatever , I don't know thing th I don't know whether that a 3127.46 3127.96 3128.42 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3127.893 3128.641 3127.99 3128.641 It's a - IN1016 A MIO104 0 3129.169 3130.975 3129.35 3130.86 Run run run what exactly ? 3130.86 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3131.024 3133.444 3131.17 3133.444 The all these experiments probably - IN1016 C MIE034 2 3132.581 3134.093 3132.74 3134.093 I don't know whether that's a - IN1016 A MIO104 0 3133.471 3137.76 3133.53 3137.69 For the the the call routing itself or the recognition uh the phoneme recognition ? 3137.69 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3135.009 3147.951 3135.28 3147.86 Uh the they are uh the scri because up to uh probably maybe we shall do mm it yeah . Uh for to make it faster we should ru it run maybe . If we run f we ourself it it's very fast . Uh yeah . 3140.68 3143.61 3147.0 3147.86 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3145.925 3154.333 3146.12 3154.27 We might as well . 'Cause I mean we've up until now uh you haven't been running any recognition on and neither did Jean-Yves on that on that data . 3146.9 3154.27 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3152.724 3153.334 3152.91 3153.11 Yeah . 3153.11 IN1016 B MIO031 1 3152.807 3154.442 3152.95 3154.35 No . No . Mm-hmm . 3153.52 3154.08 3154.35 IN1016 A MIO104 0 3153.639 3164.681 3153.83 3164.52 Yeah . I have all uh Jean-Yves's uh scripts and uh programs for performing the call uh routing I think uh starting from the phoneme sequences . 3154.46 3164.52 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3154.39 3155.18 3154.49 3154.89 Okay . 3154.89 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3162.985 3163.858 3163.01 3163.64 Mm okay . 3163.64 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3163.457 3164.158 3163.63 3164.08 Yeah . 3164.08 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3165.524 3166.046 3165.62 3165.82 Yeah . 3165.82 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3165.582 3172.293 3165.73 3172.293 No , but I mean to say that if you if you if you if you if you give him the scripts and ask him to run , uh the 3165.84 3171.69 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3170.906 3177.159 3171.01 3177.159 Oh sure , but I mean the scripts are so automated , it's just a matter of sitting uh uh submitting a job to the cluster and 3171.68 3173.26 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3175.686 3179.155 3175.95 3179.155 Uh no . Yeah . But it's Uh 3176.53 3176.85 IN1016 A MIO104 0 3177.85 3180.592 3177.97 3180.41 Yeah , I I know that I don't know how to use the cluster . 3178.28 3180.41 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3179.454 3203.457 3179.59 3203.457 I don't I don't see the point of that . I don't mind running it . That'd it'd be like uh half an hour's work in a day to run the recognition scripts . I mean I I I I know you're saying . Artem should familiarise himself with the A_S_R_ systems or whatever . Fine . But I don't uh I d I don't think this is a point that's worth sort of worrying about at this stage anyway . I mean 3180.63 3181.53 3187.5 3191.11 3195.15 3195.62 3202.99 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3180.752 3181.326 3180.87 3181.05 Yeah . 3181.05 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3192.882 3194.586 3193.05 3194.49 Yeah , oh yeah . 3193.86 3194.49 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3199.59 3200.272 3199.7 3200.1 Yeah . 3200.1 IN1016 A MIO104 0 3203.976 3206.627 3204.07 3206.627 Yeah , if it's just running a script I don't know if it's 3204.28 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3205.211 3214.037 3205.38 3214.037 Well 'cause I'm I'm sort of assuming that that we're gonna have so an end point detection regardless of this working on this Nuance corpus . So 3213.53 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3211.401 3223.991 3211.56 3223.74 Yeah , that uh-huh . No no no no , I the end point system is different thing , no ? That's and we need it for AMI plus other thing . And so but the I am to all saying yeah . I I am . 3211.9 3212.41 3213.56 3216.0 3216.18 3218.54 3222.23 3223.74 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3217.69 3223.922 3217.85 3223.8 We need it for AMI . We need it for um the online demo . For uh all these things , yeah . 3218.87 3221.55 3223.46 3223.8 IN1016 A MIO104 0 3223.741 3227.398 3223.89 3227.3 But this is basically detecting speech and no non-speech . 3227.3 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3226.636 3231.244 3226.86 3231.244 It's it's a lot more difficult than you would think . 3231.12 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3227.274 3236.611 3227.48 3236.4 It's n it uh no no no , it's not speech non-speech . Uh uh it's uh it's uh it's yeah . 3229.14 3230.8 3236.4 IN1016 A MIO104 0 3229.199 3237.234 3229.36 3237.234 Yeah . It's this uh problem I hear every time on the speech meeting how do we detect speech and not speech . Ah and uh 3230.01 3236.36 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3235.616 3241.894 3235.64 3241.894 Well , it's speech and any and any other class of sound . That's the problem . It's 3235.85 3238.2 3239.48 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3238.29 3244.747 3238.47 3244.747 Yeah . Any anything nonsense or else it beeped . 3239.5 3243.68 IN1016 A MIO104 0 3238.943 3240.972 3239.06 3240.72 Or oh okay . 3240.72 IN1016 B MIO031 1 3239.666 3241.723 3239.87 3241.723 Mm . 3241.41 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3243.744 3244.31 3243.88 3244.31 And is - IN1016 A MIO104 0 3244.027 3248.365 3244.14 3248.3 It's not just speech and silence . It's speech and and okay . 3245.62 3248.3 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3246.392 3261.632 3246.56 3261.632 And any other class , yeah . If it was just silence it'd be easy . But uh um and in controlled places you can't just assume it's it's , you know , any energy below a certain threshold . And this is what everybody sort of claimed the problem was solved with years ago . But 3247.68 3248.88 3250.62 3255.35 3255.56 3257.7 3261.41 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3247.649 3251.475 3247.69 3251.32 It's not silent . It's uh you can say that's very yeah . 3248.61 3251.32 IN1016 A MIO104 0 3256.932 3257.527 3256.97 3257.37 Mm-hmm . 3257.37 IN1016 A MIO104 0 3259.604 3260.22 3259.71 3260.08 Mm-hmm . 3260.08 IN1016 A MIO104 0 3261.665 3272.495 3261.82 3272.495 But who really can do uh when somebody will really be able to do that , I mean detect the speech from non-speech , it will be a little revolution , no , in the 3266.43 3270.51 3271.77 3271.95 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3268.624 3270.299 3268.64 3270.299 Well , I mean this is once again a 3268.84 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3272.257 3291.22 3272.36 3291.12 Yeah , sure . But I mean this is once again a very constrained task again . I mean it's it's it's you you're almost assured it's only gonna be a single speaker on the microphone . So I mean the the only sorts of noise you're gonna have to deal with uh is is is hiss or impulsive I would say . Or or that would be a good start . 3272.64 3273.04 3275.39 3281.35 3289.46 3291.12 IN1016 A MIO104 0 3279.834 3280.439 3279.96 3280.22 Mm-hmm . 3280.22 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3285.592 3307.899 3285.79 3307.899 And it can be it can be anything . Yeah . Breathing . Yeah . No anyway , so we okay , so we'll finish this call routing stuff . What do you say all thi this is okay with you , right ? So we'll k because I think uh it it it has not been even submitted outside also the work what Jean-Yves did yet . Mm yeah not done that yet . Tried 3288.24 3289.48 3291.08 3292.26 3292.66 3293.67 3295.41 3297.18 3297.55 3305.94 3307.39 IN1016 B MIO031 1 3297.644 3298.49 3297.644 3298.49 . 3298.49 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3304.871 3305.539 3304.92 3305.41 No , no . 3305.18 3305.41 IN1016 B MIO031 1 3305.237 3321.69 3305.37 3321.62 No no . Basically because it was not at uh at a level that could be anyway . So the idea was good . I think , yeah , with a better uh phoneme recognition rate definitely it could uh improve also the the call routing performance . 3305.88 3310.67 3312.09 3312.91 3313.1 3321.62 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3309.869 3311.94 3309.89 3311.83 Uh yeah , he still yeah . 3310.41 3311.83 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3316.8 3317.162 3316.88 3317.11 Yeah . 3317.11 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3319.343 3335.088 3319.343 3335.088 yeah . It was showing that . Um you haven't heard from him I take it either ? No . Okay . Well it'd be nice to get the thesis I think . There's a sort of just a research report sort of basis for this . Yeah . But 3321.64 3323.12 3326.02 3327.89 3328.17 3330.01 3333.86 3334.73 IN1016 B MIO031 1 3325.605 3329.182 3325.75 3328.86 Nope . But we can we can find . 3326.93 3328.86 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3326.794 3327.867 3327.1 3327.75 Uh-uh . 3327.75 IN1016 B MIO031 1 3332.282 3348.742 3332.44 3348.742 Yeah . Yeah , yeah . Yeah , yeah . But we can some way find a guy . I mean this should should be have all details , so it should be relatively easy to at least this is the last news I had and then I can try to get him back . Uh 3332.81 3332.97 3333.31 3333.47 3334.73 3337.54 3339.3 3347.6 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3340.234 3340.861 3340.31 3340.74 Okay . 3340.74 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3343.967 3344.783 3343.967 3344.72 yeah . 3344.72 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3346.768 3352.091 3346.768 3352.091 apply some pressure . 3351.98 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3349.651 3361.914 3349.87 3361.65 Yeah . So yeah , it it's pretty much good time also , no ? And he c he can and uh when do you intend to start writing the proposal ? Probably you should start , I think . S slow . Little bit start thinking . 3350.72 3351.21 3352.85 3352.99 3357.11 3358.17 3358.92 3360.39 3361.65 IN1016 A MIO104 0 3358.809 3367.592 3358.93 3367.5 Yeah , well this is basically in my three uh main jobs uh proposal uh um this . 3359.28 3367.5 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3365.922 3373.683 3366.06 3373.683 No no , you you should not wait till the end . That's what I mean to say . Uh yes , . Because you 3366.39 3368.29 3370.45 3372.71 3372.71 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3368.816 3372.38 3368.84 3372.18 Uh n no it should be looking towards the start of next year basically . 3372.18 IN1016 A MIO104 0 3369.08 3396.938 3369.28 3396.82 Ah yeah , yeah . Yeah but yeah . Ah yeah sure . But uh uh uh shouldn't make it clearer before on the on the on what uh I I will write . And even uh a first uh uh submission using this work um will make things clearer for me uh writing them down and f for it will help I think for that also . 3369.63 3370.35 3372.12 3372.73 3384.61 3396.82 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3374.106 3376.691 3374.19 3376.691 The is it so I mean you should - IN1016 D MIO050 3 3377.399 3378.28 3377.5 3378.28 Because it - IN1016 D MIO050 3 3395.006 3395.546 3395.05 3395.41 Okay . 3395.41 IN1016 B MIO031 1 3395.686 3408.277 3395.71 3408.277 Yeah . No , going very pra pragmatic uh there is a submission uh deadline for example thirty one December for conference on multi-media and expo where I think these two little works on 3395.84 3396.02 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3397.845 3398.494 3397.96 3398.33 Mm . 3398.33 IN1016 A MIO104 0 3402.544 3403.055 3402.69 3402.89 Mm . 3402.89 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3402.86 3403.467 3402.95 3403.29 Mm-hmm . 3403.29 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3405.59 3410.122 3405.68 3410.08 Uh . Yeah , it can go there , yeah . 3408.67 3408.98 3409.76 3410.08 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3405.7 3407.377 3405.94 3407.377 Okay , which is 3406.65 IN1016 A MIO104 0 3409.648 3410.149 3409.78 3410.1 Mm . 3410.1 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3410.176 3417.064 3410.2 3417.064 Yeah . And it's nice to get some feedback on I mean that feedback will probably come after your proposal possibly . But um 3410.96 3415.52 IN1016 B MIO031 1 3410.334 3411.883 3410.334 3411.883 So it can be - IN1016 D MIO050 3 3410.507 3415.213 3410.507 3415.213 See - IN1016 A MIO104 0 3414.969 3415.584 3415.08 3415.39 Mm-hmm . 3415.39 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3415.213 3427.473 3415.33 3427.29 No , no , no . I think it's uh it's good if he submits his pr proposal . As a research report you put here , submit it for the conference . It's quite good for the proposal directly . Yeah . Yeah . 3415.47 3415.6 3416.07 3418.82 3420.69 3422.83 3426.21 3426.92 3427.29 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3423.232 3426.447 3423.47 3426.26 Yeah . Yeah , yeah , yeah . Exactly . 3424.94 3425.15 3425.31 3425.67 3426.26 IN1016 A MIO104 0 3425.269 3425.76 3425.36 3425.69 Mm-hmm . 3425.69 IN1016 B MIO031 1 3425.593 3433.878 3425.81 3433.69 It's as a proposal . Because as far as I understand this work on the phoneme anyway still takes some development time in the sense that uh no ? 3426.92 3433.69 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3432.562 3456.024 3432.72 3455.92 No , I think uh we we may have to like it can have a uh it's it's kind of like uh uh maybe take like uh uh two or three days , you know , like to sit out and say uh one converge to one approach and then just do without that yeah . And probably yeah . So that is the thing . We have to sort out the bug kind of thing and see how reliable is this end point detection for us . Yeah , mm-hmm . 3433.09 3440.76 3441.01 3447.63 3448.58 3449.55 3455.19 3455.55 3455.92 IN1016 B MIO031 1 3443.234 3444.058 3443.41 3443.98 Okay . 3443.98 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3443.628 3448.058 3444.81 3447.99 N yeah , sort out any bugs or whatever . Yeah . 3445.87 3447.4 3447.99 IN1016 B MIO031 1 3445.645 3446.428 3445.75 3446.15 I see . 3446.15 IN1016 B MIO031 1 3450.592 3451.115 3450.61 3451.05 Mm-hmm . 3451.05 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3453.465 3465.08 3453.58 3464.99 Yeah . I I I'd prefer to go back to the C_T_S_ models I think as well 'cause I think I think they did work a little bit better . So yeah . 3454.38 3462.48 3464.99 IN1016 B MIO031 1 3454.405 3455.083 3454.49 3455.083 And - IN1016 B MIO031 1 3456.663 3457.234 3456.76 3456.98 Yeah . 3456.98 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3457.512 3460.374 3457.53 3460.29 Uh yeah , I think uh then we can go back to C_T_S_ actually . 3458.0 3460.29 IN1016 B MIO031 1 3461.804 3478.116 3461.804 3477.92 . Anyway the good news is that there are results . You are you have just to to decide uh , yeah , what what what uh what you want to work first and and and finalise . I think you can really start finalising mm-hmm . 3461.804 3465.06 3468.31 3468.57 3473.72 3477.92 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3471.838 3472.329 3471.93 3472.29 Yep . 3472.29 IN1016 A MIO104 0 3471.826 3472.379 3471.94 3472.29 Mm-hmm . 3472.29 IN1016 A MIO104 0 3474.262 3486.109 3474.39 3485.94 Yeah . Well I think uh first uh this submitted and this will help for the proposal . And since uh we cannot start immediately with the measures , I think that's the best thing to do . 3474.74 3480.61 3484.45 3485.94 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3478.418 3479.041 3478.47 3478.82 Yeah . 3478.82 IN1016 B MIO031 1 3484.074 3484.576 3484.19 3484.54 Mm-hmm . 3484.54 IN1016 B MIO031 1 3486.477 3487.111 3486.53 3486.89 Mm-hmm . 3486.89 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3486.478 3515.133 3486.6 3515.133 Okay . And uh yeah , so that is this . So you wanted to talk something more than that . Well we obstructed you with that . You wanted to talk something different also . No . Or maybe another meeting . And then I say I don't remember . . No , I was just looking this . Okay uh we are not out of time , you know . 3487.55 3488.41 3490.0 3492.21 3494.41 3498.05 3499.67 3503.1 3505.22 3505.22 3505.58 3508.9 3510.59 3514.71 IN1016 A MIO104 0 3494.884 3503.354 3495.03 3503.09 Mm well no . Well for me it's I think we uh it's fine . 3498.1 3503.09 IN1016 B MIO031 1 3500.342 3502.273 3500.95 3502.273 Yeah it's okay . 3502.16 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3501.823 3515.355 3501.98 3515.355 Hayes is another one isn't it ? Oh okay , sorry . I was like 'cause I saw you sli I saw you looking at your watch before , and I like wow . Gonna have to s Have this AMI corpus linked in no time . 3503.94 3504.44 3504.72 3507.35 3508.55 3514.7 IN1016 A MIO104 0 3514.559 3522.605 3514.77 3522.42 Yeah and I think uh that will be exactly one hour and uh uh fill the tape . Uh the tape is sixty minutes . Ah so I was right . 3519.34 3521.76 3522.42 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3517.227 3520.354 3517.227 3520.354 Yeah . 3520.19 IN1016 B MIO031 1 3518.558 3522.315 3518.61 3522.14 So the tape is ta tape is at the end . 3522.14 IN1016 D MIO050 3 3520.354 3554.789 3520.48 3554.68 Yeah , yeah , it's happened uh it happened with my friend . Like uh he was taking pictures pictures pictures and it was going thirty seven , thirty eight , forty even . . So I said there's some problem with yours uh your uh uh the way he uh put the roll inside . There is some problem , it has got stuck somewhere . It can never go to forty one , forty Yeah , I uh uh thirty seven , thirty eight is fine . forty , forty one is but see , he has already . Don't listen . Okay . 3520.81 3521.56 3523.62 3527.29 3528.28 3529.46 3529.46 3537.76 3538.67 3540.39 3541.93 3545.4 3547.49 3548.79 3549.1 3550.88 3551.7 3554.2 3554.68 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3520.565 3521.915 3520.9 3521.56 Oh okay . 3521.56 IN1016 A MIO104 0 3529.575 3530.207 3529.66 3530.02 Ah yeah . 3530.02 IN1016 A MIO104 0 3537.175 3537.716 3537.31 3537.66 Uh-huh . 3537.66 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3542.898 3549.265 3543.16 3549.17 Uh not normally , yeah . It could go to thirty seven , thirty eight . Yeah . 3544.61 3545.38 3546.74 3548.66 3549.17 IN1016 A MIO104 0 3545.459 3546.093 3545.53 3545.92 Mm-hmm . 3545.92 IN1016 A MIO104 0 3550.9 3551.496 3551.18 3551.32 Mm-hmm . 3551.32 IN1016 C MIE034 2 3551.212 3555.289 3551.52 3555.08 Yeah , we've been told . Okay . Fine . 3551.71 3552.59 3554.72 3555.08 IN1016 A MIO104 0 3552.164 3553.802 3552.3 3553.65 Yeah . Yeah . 3553.32 3553.65 IB4001 B FIE038 1 7.792 42.592 7.81 42.17 Okay . So as you guys know f , ISSCO is too small . Well , the building is too small for our group . So we're moving to a new building . Uh it's gonna be the building across the street . And we're actually moving in three weeks . But the problem is that the administration wants to know who is going to be in what office in the new building and where we're g we're gonna put things like the printer , the fax machine , all the big equipment . And the catch is that they have the final approval of where we put people and equipment . And they want to know where we're gonna do all this by November second . 9.2 10.8 12.49 12.81 14.34 16.67 18.8 21.68 30.95 32.3 33.83 38.82 42.17 IB4001 B FIE038 1 42.592 77.987 42.91 77.86 So that means basically next Tuesday . And since we don't really have any other time we have to make these decisions today . What we're getting is nine rooms for a maximum of eighteen people , which is okay , 'cause there's only fifteen of us . And all the rooms have windows luckily , so there's no fights about who gets a window and who doesn't . Um there's two views , either of the old town or the mountains and the rooms have various sizes . There's two three people rooms , five two person rooms which are on the corners of the building , so you actually get windows on two walls , and two one person rooms . 47.52 52.35 56.48 57.02 59.0 60.89 63.78 64.91 68.59 70.4 72.99 76.03 77.86 IB4001 B FIE038 1 77.987 121.974 78.61 121.69 That's pretty much what the building looks like . Um and then you have the number of people per room . The courtyard , because we're on the sixth floor , you can't actually go out to it , but it just means that the windows look out onto open space . Um you can see the bathrooms , the elevators are sort of further down the hall . The purple bar at the bottom , sort of on the right is the mail-boxes . All of the windows open , you can get out onto the terrace just like we can in our normal building . And the equipment that we have to put somewhere are like I said the photocopier , which is really big , the fax machine , which is not so big , and the printer , which is relatively big . 80.94 84.41 85.23 86.39 87.84 91.28 93.09 97.24 99.29 103.14 104.7 110.53 114.5 116.12 117.05 118.35 119.01 121.69 IB4001 B FIE038 1 121.974 147.056 122.24 146.92 Each office has a white board , a bulletin board and a coat rack . No cupboards like we have in the current offices , and each person gets their own chair , their own corner desk , so like the n the ones that we have now , um a small filing cabinet with three drawers , and by small I mean they're about that tall , and one sort of hanging shelf . So we don't get the bookcases like we have now , but just one shelf that's attached to the wall . 124.09 126.12 129.82 131.94 133.32 135.77 137.91 140.49 142.73 144.6 146.92 IB4001 C FIO093 2 140.016 140.272 140.05 140.24 Mm-hmm . 140.24 IB4001 B FIE038 1 148.28 169.152 148.42 168.83 And the people that we have to place , uh you can see the list there along with their position and the project that they work on . And I guess the question the first question is how we want to organise people . Whether we want to do it by rank , or by project , or 151.6 158.01 163.21 166.64 168.1 IB4001 B FIE038 1 170.352 203.872 170.75 203.49 I don't know , put all the P_H_D_ students together , all the professors together , that sort of thing . So the idea is that we come up with a plan . there's another group who's gonna be working on the same plan later this week . And then Andre and I have to do presentations for the university administrators on the second . So we have to come up with a plan , possibly , if we have time , a presentation , a quick presentation with arguments for why we think our plan works best . Okay ? 171.15 172.83 174.83 176.99 180.71 185.49 193.56 195.8 196.29 196.79 198.08 203.05 203.49 IB4001 C FIO093 2 204.096 204.777 204.12 204.59 Alright . 204.59 IB4001 A MIO092 0 204.058 204.56 204.23 204.53 Mm-hmm . 204.53 IB4001 B FIE038 1 205.792 211.216 205.9 211.216 So , anyone have any ideas or 207.83 IB4001 B FIE038 1 212.752 213.408 212.84 213.408 I guess - IB4001 A MIO092 0 214.096 226.72 214.12 226.67 Uh do we know if there will be a lot of people coming across the hall in terms of security stuff if we can I mean my idea is to put the photocopier and the fax in the hall . 226.67 IB4001 B FIE038 1 226.784 238.8 226.8 238.77 Yeah . Um I think it's the security is sort of the same as it is in the current building . So as long as the things are physically attached to the wall , so they can't be removed , then it should be okay to leave them in the hall . 227.48 232.74 235.41 237.1 238.77 IB4001 A MIO092 0 227.585 228.352 227.61 228.32 Um . 228.32 IB4001 A MIO092 0 232.636 233.242 232.78 233.13 Okay . 233.13 IB4001 A MIO092 0 234.966 235.708 235.25 235.55 Mm . 235.55 IB4001 C FIO093 2 235.706 237.372 235.99 237.17 We can put it . Mm-hmm . 236.87 237.17 IB4001 A MIO092 0 236.816 237.619 236.84 237.45 Okay . 237.45 IB4001 A MIO092 0 238.259 238.88 238.5 238.82 Okay . 238.82 IB4001 B FIE038 1 243.264 247.264 243.28 247.23 It's just a question of whether you are printing sensitive documents or n whatever . 247.23 IB4001 A MIO092 0 244.272 244.56 244.29 244.53 Mm . 244.53 IB4001 C FIO093 2 246.224 246.496 246.25 246.46 Mm . 246.46 IB4001 A MIO092 0 246.416 247.504 246.44 247.47 Mm yeah . 247.47 IB4001 D MIO091 3 249.36 251.712 249.38 251.68 So we only get one printer for fifteen people ? 251.68 IB4001 B FIE038 1 252.464 264.784 252.48 264.74 Um well we get one sort of networked printer and then I think some of us have personal printers . I think Susan has a personal printer , Gisella has one maybe . 260.7 262.6 264.74 IB4001 A MIO092 0 261.441 261.98 261.57 261.87 Yeah . 261.87 IB4001 A MIO092 0 265.216 266.728 265.28 266.45 Yeah , and that's it . 265.94 266.45 IB4001 B FIE038 1 265.872 273.232 265.89 273.18 I can't remember who else . Yeah . But no-one else gets their own printer . In terms of equipment it's sort of the same thing as we have now . 267.18 267.37 270.35 273.18 IB4001 A MIO092 0 268.784 269.253 268.82 269.02 Mm . 269.02 IB4001 A MIO092 0 272.351 272.816 272.38 272.77 Mm-hmm . 272.77 IB4001 B FIE038 1 277.648 278.256 277.67 278.19 Um . 278.19 IB4001 B FIE038 1 282.448 297.584 282.88 297.46 So what I'd propose is that we sort of discuss various concepts without getting into specifics , and then go off and think about it over lunch and then come back later in the day with sort of more specific proposals , as to exactly where to put people . 288.78 294.84 297.46 IB4001 A MIO092 0 288.224 288.656 288.24 288.62 Mm . 288.62 IB4001 A MIO092 0 291.021 291.859 291.21 291.65 Yeah . 291.65 IB4001 A MIO092 0 294.304 295.681 294.33 295.48 Mm yeah . 295.48 IB4001 C FIO093 2 294.777 295.782 295.1 295.55 Okay . 295.55 IB4001 B FIE038 1 299.072 316.624 299.09 316.57 Does that work ? Oh , and on the map the little half-circular , well , quater circles are doors , which I'm assuming you've figured out , but just in case . And there's just the one room that actually has two doors going into it , the the three person room on the right . Yeah . 301.32 301.49 304.68 304.84 307.19 308.63 310.19 313.18 316.25 316.57 IB4001 A MIO092 0 306.4 308.061 306.43 308.061 Mm-hmm okay . 307.8 IB4001 C FIO093 2 307.008 309.173 307.05 309.173 'Kay sure . Yeah 307.75 IB4001 D MIO091 3 313.824 315.09 313.88 314.97 The three person room ? 314.97 IB4001 A MIO092 0 314.577 320.321 314.577 320.19 rooms , yeah . And do we need a room like a reading room or Yeah . 315.79 317.0 320.19 IB4001 B FIE038 1 319.712 324.16 319.74 324.13 Yes , yeah . A lot of people were saying that they wanted to have a reading room . 320.5 320.83 324.13 IB4001 C FIO093 2 324.832 325.648 324.85 325.61 That's a good idea . 325.61 IB4001 B FIE038 1 325.441 346.624 325.46 346.42 So we should leave a space for that . And we can , because like I said maximum eighteen people in those rooms and there is only fifteen of us . And I don't know if you've noticed , but two of us are only here half the time . So Martin and David um are half the time at the E_P_F_L_ and half the time in Geneva . So 329.3 329.83 334.28 335.83 340.61 345.93 IB4001 A MIO092 0 326.032 326.432 326.05 326.38 Mm . 326.38 IB4001 A MIO092 0 329.168 329.77 329.2 329.66 Okay . 329.66 IB4001 A MIO092 0 333.664 333.936 333.68 333.9 Yeah . 333.9 IB4001 A MIO092 0 339.872 341.302 339.9 341.03 Mm . Yeah . 340.81 341.03 IB4001 B FIE038 1 348.688 351.616 348.688 351.58 sort of keep that in mind , I guess , when 350.84 351.22 IB4001 A MIO092 0 350.416 350.848 350.45 350.8 Mm . 350.8 IB4001 B FIE038 1 352.88 354.304 352.9 354.26 you are doing the actual planning . 354.26 IB4001 D MIO091 3 361.424 362.144 361.63 362.1 Mm . 362.1 IB4001 A MIO092 0 362.96 376.24 362.99 376.16 The first split we can do is between administration and reasearch uh . I mean , it's completely different work so we can deal with administration and decide something for administration and then 368.34 369.64 IB4001 B FIE038 1 368.208 368.496 368.27 368.46 Yeah . 368.46 IB4001 A MIO092 0 377.042 377.744 377.13 377.69 for the other . 377.69 IB4001 B FIE038 1 377.136 378.72 377.16 378.68 Mm-hmm . Yeah . 378.35 378.68 IB4001 B FIE038 1 379.808 385.056 379.88 385.01 But Gisella's really the only administrator . Yeah . 384.66 385.01 IB4001 A MIO092 0 382.512 407.696 382.53 407.63 Yeah . But at least deal with that particular situation and then see with the other , because I was thinking uh Gisella is quite , I mean , Gile Gisella's work is quite noisy , because it's secretary so , yeah , lot of phone call and stuff like that so Yeah , so you won't share an office with Gisella unless you are fifty per cent and not the fifty per cent Gisella is working , which is another condition . 383.25 388.99 391.03 391.85 394.16 395.54 396.15 399.12 406.5 407.63 IB4001 C FIO093 2 382.515 383.828 382.7 383.78 Ad administrator . 383.78 IB4001 B FIE038 1 386.592 386.88 386.62 386.85 Yeah . 386.85 IB4001 B FIE038 1 395.888 396.24 395.94 396.21 Yeah . 396.21 IB4001 B FIE038 1 397.664 399.344 397.68 399.23 And she's always moving around . 399.23 IB4001 B FIE038 1 401.536 401.76 401.56 401.72 No . 401.72 IB4001 B FIE038 1 406.064 406.512 406.13 406.48 Yeah . 406.48 IB4001 B FIE038 1 407.888 412.272 407.91 412.2 Which I don't know if we can assume that there isn't going to be any overlap between them . 412.2 IB4001 A MIO092 0 411.04 412.256 411.06 412.18 Yeah mm . 412.18 IB4001 A MIO092 0 421.488 427.232 421.51 427.2 So I don't know , maybe we can decide that Gisella is having one of the one person room . 422.14 427.2 IB4001 D MIO091 3 427.184 429.856 427.22 429.66 Yeah , I w I would suggest that too . Yeah . 427.51 429.27 429.66 IB4001 C FIO093 2 428.096 429.056 428.12 429.01 Yeah , that would be 428.24 IB4001 C FIO093 2 430.048 431.168 430.07 431.1 maybe convenient . 431.1 IB4001 B FIE038 1 431.744 438.224 431.76 438.224 Yeah . Either that or maybe put her in a two person room with the equipment or 432.06 IB4001 A MIO092 0 431.738 432.582 431.96 432.44 Mm . 432.44 IB4001 C FIO093 2 435.972 437.091 436.02 437.091 With someone - IB4001 C FIO093 2 438.4 441.865 438.43 441.76 Yeah , and with someone who is who is fifty pro percent . 439.36 441.76 IB4001 B FIE038 1 439.232 443.072 439.25 443.04 Like with the the photocopier , or Maybe not the photocopier , but the printer . 440.99 442.3 443.04 IB4001 A MIO092 0 439.536 439.91 439.56 439.75 Yeah . 439.75 IB4001 A MIO092 0 446.16 449.216 446.18 449.15 Yeah . But at least the thing we know that Gisella is gonna be alone . 446.58 449.15 IB4001 B FIE038 1 449.376 450.176 449.4 450.14 Yeah , yeah . 449.95 450.14 IB4001 C FIO093 2 450.096 451.326 450.12 451.21 Yeah , okay , mm-hmm . 450.29 450.88 451.21 IB4001 A MIO092 0 450.496 452.032 450.52 451.88 Or with equipment , but 451.75 IB4001 B FIE038 1 452.496 455.824 452.52 455.79 And not with a hundred percent staff yeah a staff worker . 455.79 IB4001 A MIO092 0 453.216 455.328 453.25 455.328 humanly alone . Yeah . 454.34 454.97 IB4001 D MIO091 3 456.144 469.904 457.01 469.86 Okay , so th that's a one person room , but we don't know how how big they are . Or it's hard to tell . I mean , Gisella has this funny uh typing uh thing . Yeah . 457.41 459.25 461.57 463.02 463.27 469.48 469.86 IB4001 B FIE038 1 467.44 472.183 467.46 472.183 Yeah . I mean the rooms aren't tiny if you look at the this 468.97 IB4001 C FIO093 2 468.496 470.326 468.52 470.326 Typing machine . 470.09 IB4001 D MIO091 3 471.258 472.942 471.31 472.73 Computer , fax . 472.01 472.73 IB4001 A MIO092 0 472.416 472.96 472.54 472.85 Yeah . 472.85 IB4001 D MIO091 3 473.552 476.496 474.0 476.43 So probably sh she should get the fax , right ? 476.08 476.43 IB4001 B FIE038 1 477.904 481.488 477.92 481.45 Yeah , yeah , that makes sense to put the fax in there . 478.63 478.93 481.45 IB4001 A MIO092 0 477.815 478.761 478.09 478.43 Yeah . 478.43 IB4001 C FIO093 2 478.416 479.36 478.44 479.3 Yes , yeah . 478.95 479.3 IB4001 B FIE038 1 482.48 484.416 483.1 484.31 Uh . 484.31 IB4001 B FIE038 1 486.128 488.192 486.15 487.97 So . 487.97 IB4001 A MIO092 0 511.568 514.992 511.65 514.88 And then I think the main discussion we should have is - IB4001 A MIO092 0 516.48 524.08 516.5 524.04 um if we want to make group of among the same project or among the same title - IB4001 B FIE038 1 524.928 525.44 525.09 525.41 Yeah . 525.41 IB4001 C FIO093 2 525.002 527.824 525.15 527.824 Or uh yeah , professor assistent or uh 525.87 IB4001 A MIO092 0 525.92 531.852 525.94 531.852 or Yeah . Or Yeah . Couple of professor and assistant or 528.09 529.49 IB4001 C FIO093 2 531.648 532.656 531.67 532.656 Or uh yeah - IB4001 A MIO092 0 536.832 542.032 536.85 542.032 That's more a conceptual question than a practical question . 541.96 IB4001 B FIE038 1 539.728 540.096 539.82 540.06 Yeah . 540.06 IB4001 B FIE038 1 541.408 561.867 542.77 561.71 Well , the third option is just completely mix everyone up , which some people say is better sort of for a group environment , so that you are not stuck only with the people who are working on your project . Right . So if you share an office with someone who's on a completely different project , you find out about that project , but you also sort of interact with other people on a more regular basis . 542.94 546.43 549.55 553.54 553.72 557.01 558.28 561.71 IB4001 A MIO092 0 546.848 547.152 546.87 547.12 Yeah . 547.12 IB4001 C FIO093 2 547.072 547.479 547.09 547.44 Yeah . 547.44 IB4001 A MIO092 0 552.672 553.088 552.7 553.02 Yeah . 553.02 IB4001 C FIO093 2 553.2 554.213 553.22 554.13 Yeah , that's true . 553.52 554.13 IB4001 A MIO092 0 554.64 555.093 554.66 555.04 Mm . 555.04 IB4001 A MIO092 0 556.4 557.936 556.44 557.9 Yeah . Mm . 557.61 557.9 IB4001 A MIO092 0 560.576 561.995 560.6 561.7 Mm yeah . 561.7 IB4001 C FIO093 2 560.581 562.384 560.6 562.12 Mm mm . 562.12 IB4001 C FIO093 2 563.392 575.792 563.41 575.76 But still I find it's quite easy if you are with people who work in the same project in the same room , because you have the meetings or people come and ask you discuss things maybe . I don't know if it's uh 569.11 574.48 IB4001 C FIO093 2 577.392 584.768 577.41 584.53 for other people who is not working on the same project . Yeah , that's true . That's that's true . Yeah . 579.97 580.14 580.94 583.97 584.53 IB4001 A MIO092 0 578.864 583.584 578.89 583.584 Yeah . Yeah , but we will have this reading room , which can be 579.96 580.16 582.56 IB4001 D MIO091 3 583.36 590.016 583.38 589.83 'Kay uh will it be dedicated for reading and for studying or can we have meetings there . Can reserve it for meetings . 587.85 589.83 IB4001 B FIE038 1 583.808 584.304 583.83 584.27 Yeah . 584.27 IB4001 B FIE038 1 590.544 605.952 590.56 605.952 I think it's not a question of reserving it , because there's other rooms at the university that you can reserve for a meeting , but if it's empty , then sure you can use it for a meeting . There's nothing wrong with that . But I think if someone's already reading in there , it's not fair to go and kick them out just because you want to have a meeting 'cause 592.76 596.14 597.25 598.81 599.88 601.9 IB4001 A MIO092 0 592.832 593.239 592.87 593.18 Mm . 593.18 IB4001 A MIO092 0 595.504 597.099 595.52 597.05 Yeah , for a real meeting . 596.04 597.05 IB4001 C FIO093 2 598.176 600.094 598.2 600.02 You can u mm-hmm . 600.02 IB4001 A MIO092 0 599.03 599.787 599.16 599.65 Mm . 599.65 IB4001 A MIO092 0 602.56 603.277 602.65 603.01 Yeah . 603.01 IB4001 A MIO092 0 604.967 605.44 605.0 605.41 Mm . 605.41 IB4001 D MIO091 3 605.599 620.821 605.599 620.821 Well , the the problem is if you have to go across the building and it adds some overhead every time you want to have some short meeting and discuss some issues . Or maybe we shouldn't call it reading room , but 606.43 617.75 619.99 IB4001 C FIO093 2 614.16 616.312 614.18 616.14 Meeting about the project . 616.14 IB4001 A MIO092 0 615.376 615.892 615.41 615.84 No . 615.84 IB4001 B FIE038 1 619.04 621.44 619.07 621.38 But if you're having a short meeting you don't really - IB4001 B FIE038 1 622.8 628.784 622.82 628.75 make an appointment for it . You just kind of go to someone's office and go down for a coffee or whatever . 624.02 628.75 IB4001 A MIO092 0 624.096 625.016 624.12 624.72 Yeah . 624.72 IB4001 C FIO093 2 626.881 627.775 627.09 627.56 Mm-hmm . 627.56 IB4001 A MIO092 0 627.696 628.676 627.73 628.64 Mm yeah . 628.64 IB4001 B FIE038 1 631.152 634.784 631.31 634.784 'Cause there's still the cafeterias that you can use for informal - IB4001 A MIO092 0 634.944 642.144 634.98 642.02 Mm yeah . The other thing we should take into account is if you receive student or not , because 636.17 641.2 IB4001 B FIE038 1 642.4 642.8 642.5 642.76 Yeah . 642.76 IB4001 A MIO092 0 643.616 655.131 643.96 655.131 Marianne and I interact a lot with student and we have reception hours and stuff like that . So it means you get time where a lot of people come along and talk and So it's maybe 649.31 IB4001 C FIO093 2 645.776 647.018 645.8 646.93 Yeah . Hmm . 646.34 646.93 IB4001 B FIE038 1 649.088 649.495 649.11 649.4 Mm-hmm . 649.4 IB4001 B FIE038 1 653.936 657.856 653.96 657.79 Yeah . And the other Marianne too . So there's three of you . 654.59 656.7 657.79 IB4001 A MIO092 0 656.048 664.881 656.07 664.881 Yeah , so maybe it's not really nice to have to share an office with somebody like us , having a lot of social life and 656.42 662.12 IB4001 C FIO093 2 662.368 666.672 662.368 666.42 People coming and going . 666.42 IB4001 B FIE038 1 664.32 673.008 664.34 672.97 Well , but then you either share offices with each other , which doesn't really solve the problem , because chances are you are not gonna have office hours at the exact same time . 664.49 667.7 669.56 672.97 IB4001 A MIO092 0 667.152 667.76 667.17 667.46 Yeah . 667.46 IB4001 A MIO092 0 673.088 673.632 673.13 673.58 Mm . 673.58 IB4001 C FIO093 2 673.648 674.661 673.67 674.52 Yeah , we don't . 673.85 674.52 IB4001 B FIE038 1 674.144 676.8 674.16 676.8 So you're still going to have - IB4001 A MIO092 0 675.2 675.72 675.22 675.62 Yeah . 675.62 IB4001 B FIE038 1 677.936 685.808 678.12 685.77 Like unless you get individual offices , I don't know if there's an easy way to find a solution for that . 681.65 685.77 IB4001 A MIO092 0 680.432 680.96 680.45 680.9 Mm . 680.9 IB4001 A MIO092 0 683.055 685.052 683.26 684.72 Yeah . I dunno . 684.22 684.72 IB4001 B FIE038 1 690.144 694.927 690.21 694.85 'Cause even if each of you share with a professor , then it's the same thing for the professor . 691.99 694.85 IB4001 A MIO092 0 693.136 695.36 693.16 695.33 Yeah mm mm . 695.33 IB4001 C FIO093 2 694.608 695.536 694.63 695.49 Yep , yeah . 695.05 695.49 IB4001 A MIO092 0 696.768 697.168 696.8 697.01 Yeah . 697.01 IB4001 B FIE038 1 698.816 700.4 698.92 700.34 But it is something to keep in mind . 700.34 IB4001 B FIE038 1 702.64 714.128 702.71 713.86 Unless you end up sharing an office with someone where your schedules completely don't overlap , and then you can schedule office hours when the other person isn't there . Some people come in around eleven and some people come in around eight . 707.41 710.93 713.86 IB4001 A MIO092 0 707.632 708.942 707.65 708.942 Yeah . 708.73 IB4001 A MIO092 0 710.8 711.366 710.9 711.26 Mm . 711.26 IB4001 A MIO092 0 714.176 721.273 714.2 721.273 Yeah , but that's something we can't reasonably assume like that and make plans with that because 714.92 IB4001 C FIO093 2 714.704 714.976 714.75 714.94 Mm . 714.94 IB4001 B FIE038 1 718.704 719.2 718.78 719.15 No . 719.15 IB4001 B FIE038 1 721.36 724.064 721.69 724.02 No , but you sort of see people's patterns . I mean , 721.79 723.51 724.02 IB4001 A MIO092 0 724.176 724.832 724.51 724.79 Yeah . 724.79 IB4001 B FIE038 1 725.392 731.232 725.41 731.232 even if it's not always like that , I mean if it's like that , you know , eighty per cent of the time , then 727.55 728.47 728.73 730.78 IB4001 A MIO092 0 726.896 727.44 726.92 727.4 Mm . 727.4 IB4001 A MIO092 0 728.816 729.245 728.85 729.17 Yeah . 729.17 IB4001 B FIE038 1 733.712 736.921 733.75 736.88 But you're right , we can't make assumptions too much . 734.17 736.88 IB4001 A MIO092 0 736.512 736.88 736.55 736.84 Mm-hmm . 736.84 IB4001 D MIO091 3 744.384 752.706 744.51 752.706 So people would like to see uh the office organised by uh by by rank like professors and students and - IB4001 A MIO092 0 752.864 753.632 752.95 753.56 I don't know . 753.56 IB4001 B FIE038 1 755.12 755.808 755.29 755.808 I think - IB4001 B FIE038 1 757.76 764.09 757.78 764.05 Well , it's up to us how we do it . I can see benefits of both . 757.96 761.85 764.05 IB4001 A MIO092 0 763.696 764.128 763.73 764.04 Yeah . 764.04 IB4001 C FIO093 2 764.08 765.744 764.15 765.71 Yeah , it certainly is . 764.38 765.71 IB4001 B FIE038 1 765.056 765.984 765.74 765.984 But - IB4001 A MIO092 0 766.416 777.024 766.61 776.99 One point I can say by experience , it's really hard to share an office with three people , because it makes much more noise that only being two in an office . 768.64 772.26 776.99 IB4001 B FIE038 1 777.872 779.208 777.9 779.11 Yeah . Plus the computers . 778.08 779.11 IB4001 A MIO092 0 779.056 780.896 779.08 780.896 Plus the computers . So 780.43 IB4001 C FIO093 2 779.235 780.24 779.33 780.21 Plus the com Mm-hmm . 780.21 IB4001 B FIE038 1 780.816 784.768 780.816 784.41 And we all know what it's like to have five computers in your office . 784.41 IB4001 A MIO092 0 783.408 795.696 783.43 795.64 Yeah . So we might be It might be a good idea to first exclude one of the three person room to be the reading room and not to be necessary 785.05 IB4001 A MIO092 0 796.688 800.52 796.75 800.45 a room with three people . A working room . 799.44 800.45 IB4001 C FIO093 2 798.912 815.12 799.98 815.12 Yeah , but if there are people coming in , I mean , we have these people working for uh two months , who comes in the summertime or something . I th think we should reserve a little bit space for them too . So uh 800.3 802.2 803.19 806.42 809.46 813.99 IB4001 B FIE038 1 815.296 819.936 815.65 819.82 Yeah , that's a good point , because if we take the three person room out as a reading room , 815.74 816.39 819.82 IB4001 C FIO093 2 820.432 821.641 820.45 821.641 It's quite big - IB4001 B FIE038 1 820.928 825.392 820.96 825.35 then everyone has an office , right ? 'Cause it's maximum eighteen . 823.78 823.91 825.35 IB4001 B FIE038 1 826.768 837.777 826.79 837.71 So take away three spaces and you're down to your fifteen , and you're right , if we do have a stagieur , whoever , who comes in , then we have nowhere Well , we can put them in the reading room , but that kind of defeats the purpose . 829.93 830.43 831.66 831.99 833.38 835.07 836.23 837.71 IB4001 A MIO092 0 828.048 830.016 828.07 829.98 Oh yeah . Mm . Oh yeah . 828.65 829.68 829.98 IB4001 A MIO092 0 831.714 832.208 831.81 832.17 Okay . 832.17 IB4001 C FIO093 2 832.784 833.168 832.82 833.13 Mm . 833.13 IB4001 A MIO092 0 835.312 835.62 835.35 835.59 Yeah . 835.59 IB4001 A MIO092 0 837.232 837.744 837.27 837.71 Yeah yeah . 837.71 IB4001 A MIO092 0 839.456 850.819 839.64 850.819 So the other solution is to say , okay we use a three person room , but only with two person each time . And leave a spare space for or 841.08 843.49 845.91 IB4001 B FIE038 1 847.616 848.016 847.7 847.96 Mm-hmm . 847.96 IB4001 D MIO091 3 848.816 850.391 848.96 850.3 Yeah , that's a good idea , yeah . 849.11 849.95 850.3 IB4001 C FIO093 2 849.211 851.344 849.36 851.29 For soemthing , yeah , mm . 850.06 851.03 851.29 IB4001 B FIE038 1 850.64 851.072 850.66 851.04 Yeah . 851.04 IB4001 A MIO092 0 853.431 855.182 853.67 854.83 But avoiding - IB4001 A MIO092 0 856.48 861.692 856.5 861.58 having three person full-time in a same room could be a good idea , I think . 861.15 861.58 IB4001 B FIE038 1 859.648 860.064 859.67 860.02 Yeah . 860.02 IB4001 C FIO093 2 861.088 862.928 861.16 862.89 Yeah , that's yeah , certainly is . 861.4 862.19 862.89 IB4001 B FIE038 1 862.0 866.0 862.02 865.97 Or again find people who don't work the same hours . 865.97 IB4001 A MIO092 0 866.016 866.496 866.1 866.43 Yeah . 866.43 IB4001 B FIE038 1 867.184 869.648 867.26 869.648 It doesn't completely solve the problem , but 869.2 IB4001 A MIO092 0 868.944 869.452 868.98 869.3 Mm . 869.3 IB4001 A MIO092 0 874.144 877.664 874.16 877.63 So for the reading room we will have a two person room . 877.63 IB4001 D MIO091 3 877.92 880.561 877.94 880.47 Yeah . Everybody agrees on that , yep ? 879.18 880.18 880.47 IB4001 B FIE038 1 878.224 879.002 878.24 878.84 Yeah , I think so . 878.41 878.84 IB4001 C FIO093 2 878.528 879.789 878.55 879.59 Maybe that would be good . 879.59 IB4001 A MIO092 0 878.864 879.216 878.98 879.17 Okay . 879.17 IB4001 B FIE038 1 880.208 881.984 880.23 881.95 A one person'll be too small anyways . 881.95 IB4001 D MIO091 3 882.208 883.872 882.24 883.82 How about how about this room ? 883.82 IB4001 A MIO092 0 882.2 882.98 882.39 882.93 Yeah . 882.93 IB4001 B FIE038 1 884.416 885.52 884.44 885.45 The one on the bottom ? 885.45 IB4001 A MIO092 0 884.41 885.12 884.49 885.08 Which one ? 885.08 IB4001 D MIO091 3 885.44 892.176 885.47 892.12 Yeah , at the bottom in the middle . With a view to the mountains , yeah . It has three windows so I think it's uh Two ? 885.78 887.65 888.84 889.28 892.12 IB4001 B FIE038 1 887.376 887.762 887.4 887.65 Yeah . 887.65 IB4001 A MIO092 0 887.44 888.686 887.55 888.53 With the mountain ? 888.53 IB4001 B FIE038 1 890.96 895.376 891.04 895.34 Two . Well , which W There's three two person rooms . 892.32 892.62 895.34 IB4001 D MIO091 3 893.277 894.749 893.56 894.749 O one two - IB4001 D MIO091 3 896.016 897.184 896.04 897.13 The the middle one . 897.13 IB4001 B FIE038 1 897.792 898.912 897.81 898.87 That has two windows . 898.87 IB4001 A MIO092 0 898.832 900.256 898.85 900.256 Yeah , it's 899.84 IB4001 B FIE038 1 900.384 902.745 900.4 902.71 Which is fine . And still a big room . 901.33 902.71 IB4001 D MIO091 3 900.638 901.499 900.84 901.06 Two . 901.06 IB4001 A MIO092 0 902.208 917.071 902.23 916.97 Big black stripe is the windows , not the thin one between the big But what about the d the other one which has only one windows , but in the courtyard it maybe more quiet . 904.9 914.8 916.97 IB4001 D MIO091 3 904.752 911.472 904.77 911.472 Oh , the big Oh . Ah okay . 904.95 907.99 911.01 IB4001 B FIE038 1 908.64 911.36 908.66 911.36 Yeah , so I should have explained that . 909.06 911.09 IB4001 B FIE038 1 918.08 919.728 918.1 919.57 Yeah , but then you get don't get a lot of light 918.27 IB4001 B FIE038 1 921.12 921.696 921.14 921.66 for reading . 921.66 IB4001 A MIO092 0 922.512 924.336 922.7 924.336 We have electricity so - IB4001 B FIE038 1 924.144 927.728 924.144 927.728 Really ? 927.68 IB4001 A MIO092 0 925.328 925.888 925.35 925.83 I hope . 925.83 IB4001 A MIO092 0 928.445 932.72 928.52 932.72 No it's a question I mean it it's quite noisy outside with the streets and - IB4001 B FIE038 1 934.624 935.383 934.7 935.383 That's - IB4001 C FIO093 2 934.96 936.464 934.98 936.43 On the sixth floor , I don't know . 935.87 936.43 IB4001 A MIO092 0 937.648 938.976 937.67 938.92 Yeah , we are on the sixth floor . 937.94 938.92 IB4001 B FIE038 1 938.832 941.056 939.0 940.99 I dunno , I like the idea of looking out over 939.28 IB4001 C FIO093 2 941.197 944.048 941.197 944.01 Yeah , if you are if you are reading . 942.74 944.01 IB4001 A MIO092 0 941.264 943.912 941.37 943.62 Yeah . And stop reading . 942.66 943.62 IB4001 D MIO091 3 942.032 942.576 942.05 942.51 Me too . 942.51 IB4001 B FIE038 1 942.192 944.115 942.25 943.86 lots of space . 943.86 IB4001 A MIO092 0 944.784 946.161 944.8 945.96 So it's a relaxing room . 945.96 IB4001 B FIE038 1 945.824 955.36 945.93 955.33 Well , I mean that that's the whole point , right . It's just somewhere to get out of your office and go and do something else for a while whether you're reading or just kind of staring off into space . 946.14 947.64 947.89 955.33 IB4001 A MIO092 0 946.813 949.764 946.813 949.71 Yeah , yeah , no okay . 948.72 949.02 949.71 IB4001 A MIO092 0 950.432 950.964 950.45 950.77 Yeah , yeah . 950.57 950.77 IB4001 C FIO093 2 950.489 951.564 950.74 951.49 Do so Yeah . 951.49 IB4001 A MIO092 0 952.511 953.776 952.53 953.74 Mm yeah yeah . 953.74 IB4001 D MIO091 3 955.328 961.904 955.36 961.83 Yeah , and you can look outside of the window if you have a sh quick meeting there . You know , quick meetings always get longer . 955.85 959.54 959.97 961.83 IB4001 A MIO092 0 958.563 964.688 958.58 964.64 Mm . So what about one of the room in the corner ? So you have three windows . It's even better . 959.75 961.76 963.65 964.64 IB4001 B FIE038 1 965.024 966.218 965.04 966.05 Yeah , we could do that . 965.28 966.05 IB4001 C FIO093 2 965.744 966.72 965.76 966.67 Why not ? Yeah . 966.41 966.67 IB4001 A MIO092 0 966.704 971.072 966.74 970.9 But you have less wall to put shelves and stuff like that . 970.9 IB4001 B FIE038 1 970.352 970.736 970.37 970.7 Yeah . 970.7 IB4001 A MIO092 0 973.136 976.48 973.16 976.48 If you intend the reading room being more a library or - IB4001 B FIE038 1 979.28 987.04 979.3 986.81 We have some shelves , like cabinet type shelves for the reading room . But it's not really intended to be a library . I mean , we have 981.22 983.86 986.15 986.34 IB4001 A MIO092 0 981.712 982.086 981.73 981.99 Mm . 981.99 IB4001 A MIO092 0 987.024 987.44 987.04 987.35 Yeah . 987.35 IB4001 C FIO093 2 988.08 990.272 988.16 990.24 A library down downstairs . Mm . 989.95 990.24 IB4001 B FIE038 1 988.256 991.76 988.28 991.51 an I_T_ library . Um but 990.31 IB4001 A MIO092 0 989.2 989.648 989.23 989.57 Mm . 989.57 IB4001 B FIE038 1 993.232 1005.51 993.25 1005.17 the other idea is to take 'Cause right now we all have bookshelves . So one idea might be to take sort of the books that aren't frequently used by people , put them all into that room . So it becomes sort of 997.29 1001.96 1004.05 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1000.992 1002.346 1001.09 1002.22 Yeah . Mm . 1001.95 1002.22 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1003.376 1003.776 1003.41 1003.71 Yeah . 1003.71 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1005.056 1007.229 1005.12 1007.03 Kind of , yeah , small library . 1005.71 1006.01 1007.03 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1006.432 1012.384 1006.45 1012.35 a mini-library , but not like a library system library , just go and borrow your collegues' books . 1007.17 1009.13 1012.35 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1008.192 1011.208 1008.22 1011.07 No no , no no . No no , sure but Yeah . 1008.52 1009.43 1009.76 1011.07 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1011.776 1012.313 1011.8 1012.17 Mm . 1012.17 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1019.568 1023.686 1019.59 1023.49 So are we all agree about these two person rooms ? 1023.49 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1025.136 1028.528 1025.22 1028.46 Which one ? Corner or not corner ? 1027.06 1028.46 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1026.178 1028.029 1026.178 1027.95 I don't know . 1027.95 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1029.328 1030.384 1029.39 1030.35 I think the middle one . 1030.35 IB4001 C FIO093 2 1030.4 1031.76 1030.42 1031.72 In the middle , yeah . 1031.35 1031.72 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1030.768 1032.195 1030.79 1031.97 The middle one . Okay . 1031.52 1031.97 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1031.68 1038.144 1031.82 1038.144 Yeah . It's also sort of m central to the layout , so everyone sort of has more or less the same distance to 1032.45 1035.27 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1034.848 1035.984 1034.87 1035.95 Yeah . Mm . 1035.75 1035.95 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1037.072 1037.548 1037.09 1037.5 Okay . 1037.5 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1039.44 1041.518 1039.49 1041.518 It's not that it makes that much of a difference , but 1041.11 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1040.864 1041.454 1040.89 1041.33 Mm-hmm . 1041.33 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1042.496 1043.159 1042.55 1043.08 Why not ? 1043.08 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1046.528 1046.976 1046.58 1046.92 Uh . 1046.92 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1046.896 1050.24 1046.92 1050.13 So we can exclude this one to make an office . 1050.13 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1049.44 1050.138 1049.46 1049.93 Yeah . 1049.93 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1051.648 1053.44 1051.72 1053.44 Actually what I can do is - IB4001 A MIO092 0 1055.488 1057.344 1055.51 1057.31 Or maybe write on the board , I don't know . 1056.84 1057.31 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1056.528 1062.096 1056.55 1062.0 Yeah . Um actually that's a good idea . J just put it up . 1057.49 1059.58 1062.0 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1061.655 1063.376 1061.97 1063.376 So we have the map and - IB4001 B FIE038 1 1062.872 1063.454 1062.98 1063.37 Yeah . 1063.37 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1069.285 1070.224 1069.37 1070.19 So . 1070.19 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1076.272 1079.104 1076.29 1079.06 This really isn't to scale , but Oh well . 1077.65 1079.06 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1082.176 1083.648 1082.76 1083.4 Um . 1083.4 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1087.408 1097.232 1087.45 1097.13 That's really not to scale . Um so we've got an office there . 1092.42 1097.13 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1088.514 1090.752 1088.514 1090.65 It's alright . 1090.65 IB4001 C FIO093 2 1089.983 1091.52 1090.16 1091.41 Oh it's g good enough . 1091.41 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1104.608 1107.12 1104.72 1106.44 And there's - IB4001 B FIE038 1 1108.144 1109.76 1108.34 1109.76 two and one - IB4001 A MIO092 0 1110.0 1110.576 1110.02 1110.54 Three , yeah . 1110.35 1110.54 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1110.864 1112.384 1110.9 1112.33 Is that all ? 1112.33 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1111.696 1112.144 1111.72 1112.1 Yeah , yeah mm . 1111.9 1112.1 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1113.984 1114.432 1114.0 1114.432 So - IB4001 B FIE038 1 1114.672 1116.096 1114.77 1116.02 Okay so this is - IB4001 B FIE038 1 1117.984 1121.248 1118.99 1121.21 that . And this becomes the reading room , right ? 1119.35 1120.99 1121.21 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1121.664 1122.192 1121.69 1122.14 Okay . 1122.14 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1134.72 1136.672 1134.74 1136.62 Is that a mountain ? Okay . 1136.22 1136.62 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1134.272 1136.944 1135.66 1136.944 Yes . 1136.77 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1139.024 1140.373 1139.04 1140.22 And that an old town ? 1140.22 IB4001 C FIO093 2 1139.344 1140.976 1139.36 1140.94 And uh Gisella ? 1140.94 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1142.656 1146.333 1142.68 1146.333 Yeah , should we decide also the administration stuff ? And 1142.96 1145.72 IB4001 C FIO093 2 1142.864 1145.389 1142.88 1145.22 We thought a one person room . 1145.22 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1146.016 1146.336 1146.04 1146.3 Sure . 1146.3 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1147.712 1151.984 1147.77 1151.984 So we exclude the n the thing we are quite sure , and then we discuss the 1150.87 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1150.704 1150.944 1150.72 1150.91 Yeah . 1150.91 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1151.952 1156.752 1152.08 1156.72 I was thinking of maybe we should assign Gisella into this three person office ? 1156.72 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1152.096 1152.496 1152.12 1152.46 Okay . 1152.46 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1157.936 1166.944 1157.96 1166.89 Because w we will probably place the printer next to the mailboxes . Then we could have Gisella and the two fifty per cent people sharing the three 1162.92 IB4001 C FIO093 2 1167.44 1168.16 1167.46 1168.1 Person room . 1168.1 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1168.32 1169.088 1168.45 1169.05 person room . 1169.05 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1169.296 1173.152 1169.33 1173.12 That's really noisy to be in the same office with the administration . 1173.12 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1171.696 1172.665 1171.79 1172.59 Well , th 1172.05 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1173.072 1176.671 1173.09 1176.671 But if Gisella works fifty percent and they work fifty percent - IB4001 D MIO091 3 1173.372 1175.257 1173.48 1175.14 They're fifty per cent , yeah . 1174.69 1175.14 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1175.888 1181.904 1175.91 1181.904 Yeah , that just imply you expect people to come when Gisella is not working , and that's not really fair if you 1176.11 1180.09 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1179.632 1180.287 1179.66 1180.16 That's true . 1180.16 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1181.824 1182.192 1181.84 1182.16 Yeah . 1182.16 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1182.608 1183.708 1182.64 1183.708 Well , I mean it 1182.96 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1183.104 1186.0 1183.12 1185.96 So we can put Gisella in the two people room - IB4001 A MIO092 0 1187.264 1189.136 1187.34 1189.1 which is near the mailbox . 1189.1 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1195.056 1195.392 1195.08 1195.34 No . 1195.34 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1195.648 1196.576 1195.86 1196.52 W yeah we could . 1196.52 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1198.384 1199.056 1198.42 1199.0 I don't know . 1199.0 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1201.136 1205.739 1201.16 1205.739 We could . I mean , I don't know how noisy she is . It's uh 1201.62 1201.82 1204.35 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1203.76 1208.75 1203.78 1208.51 I it's just the question , you always have the phone ringing , even if the af even when she's not working . 1204.64 1206.14 1208.51 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1203.922 1204.607 1204.09 1204.607 But - IB4001 B FIE038 1 1206.128 1206.65 1206.15 1206.65 Just - IB4001 C FIO093 2 1206.8 1207.515 1206.82 1207.11 Or f - IB4001 B FIE038 1 1207.648 1209.744 1207.67 1209.32 Does Gisella have her own printer ? 1209.32 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1209.696 1210.265 1209.72 1210.15 Yeah . 1210.15 IB4001 C FIO093 2 1209.888 1211.472 1209.91 1211.43 Yes , yes , she does . 1210.56 1211.02 1211.43 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1211.584 1218.944 1211.77 1218.91 Yeah , but that's that's a good point from Nikos to say that she needs to be n near the mail box and the printer and 1211.99 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1219.28 1226.0 1219.5 1225.87 Well if you put her in in this room here , it's relatively close . 1223.52 1225.87 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1220.265 1222.319 1220.31 1222.17 and the photocopier and stuff like that . 1222.17 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1224.352 1227.744 1224.37 1227.7 Yeah . Exc except the door is not really 1225.05 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1228.518 1230.47 1228.54 1230.17 Convenient for her , yeah . 1229.63 1230.17 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1229.68 1230.448 1229.7 1230.4 convenient . 1230.4 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1230.832 1231.28 1230.85 1231.24 True . 1231.24 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1235.136 1241.504 1235.17 1241.504 No , but I think , if if the main , um how can I put that , the mm 1235.25 1235.71 1237.92 1240.58 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1247.776 1258.896 1248.37 1258.86 If the main reason to put to to choose Gisella's place , is the proximity of the mailbox , it should be a two pe people room and not a three people room . 1252.19 1255.63 1258.86 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1260.784 1263.184 1260.83 1263.12 Okay . It's fine with me . 1262.34 1263.12 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1261.136 1261.552 1261.16 1261.51 Yeah . 1261.51 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1263.12 1265.248 1263.19 1265.248 Otherwise we have a one people room and - IB4001 B FIE038 1 1265.824 1277.077 1266.02 1276.98 I don't know how much the proximity to the mailbox matters , because usually when she's here and she picks up the mail , she actually brings it to your office . It's more the I_T_ administration that uses our mailboxes . 1268.64 1270.99 1273.36 1276.98 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1271.024 1271.467 1271.04 1271.37 Yeah . 1271.37 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1272.656 1273.552 1272.68 1273.52 Yeah , it's it's not the m 1272.8 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1272.784 1277.6 1272.8 1277.47 Yeah . No but it's it's also it's also the place of the photocopier . 1274.16 1277.47 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1277.52 1278.698 1277.54 1278.48 Yeah , yeah . 1278.3 1278.48 IB4001 C FIO093 2 1278.128 1281.024 1278.15 1280.93 And the place where we all pass kind of . 1280.93 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1281.216 1281.568 1281.26 1281.53 Yeah . 1281.53 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1282.992 1283.568 1283.01 1283.53 That's true . 1283.53 IB4001 C FIO093 2 1288.0 1290.28 1288.02 1290.03 It should be some central place . 1290.03 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1288.448 1295.025 1288.47 1295.025 Because if we put the photocopier near the mail box and it seems to be the only place where there is room for that - IB4001 B FIE038 1 1294.256 1294.544 1294.28 1294.51 Yeah . 1294.51 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1295.648 1302.256 1295.67 1302.256 Yeah unless you put it into an office , which is just an annoying , I think . 'Cause even if you put it into Gisella's office it's gonna be 1297.43 1298.9 1299.65 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1297.168 1297.504 1297.19 1297.47 Yeah . 1297.47 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1298.272 1299.182 1298.47 1299.08 Y - IB4001 A MIO092 0 1299.168 1300.146 1299.2 1300.02 Yeah oh no . 1300.02 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1301.232 1302.311 1301.25 1302.311 Yeah , no , it's too 1301.45 1301.61 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1302.682 1303.872 1302.77 1303.872 And it's too big and - IB4001 B FIE038 1 1304.096 1305.072 1304.26 1304.98 Yeah . 1304.98 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1310.144 1316.666 1310.17 1316.54 Okay , we should write this down . Do we agree that the that the photocopier and the networked printer goes next to the mailboxes ? 1310.48 1311.44 1316.54 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1312.096 1312.697 1312.16 1312.54 So . 1312.54 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1316.288 1317.552 1316.31 1317.52 Yeah . Okay . 1317.11 1317.52 IB4001 C FIO093 2 1316.56 1317.68 1316.63 1317.63 Yeah , that's a good idea . 1316.83 1317.63 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1317.808 1318.56 1317.96 1318.5 Mm . 1318.5 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1331.168 1337.826 1331.19 1337.65 And then we can for the moment put Gisella in this corner room if you agree , I don't know . 1337.2 1337.65 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1338.272 1340.062 1338.29 1340.062 Yeah . What with 1339.25 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1339.584 1343.36 1339.6 1343.32 At the beginning we said that we were gonna give her one of the one person rooms . 1343.32 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1343.504 1343.904 1343.56 1343.87 Yeah . 1343.87 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1345.504 1349.712 1345.54 1349.66 But this option of putting Gisella near the photocopier . 1349.66 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1346.72 1347.2 1346.81 1347.15 Okay . 1347.15 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1350.24 1350.982 1350.26 1350.982 Yeah . 1350.74 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1357.712 1364.432 1357.73 1364.432 I mean she is sharing an office right now and I Has anybody heard of any complaints that she's too loud or - IB4001 A MIO092 0 1365.216 1387.44 1365.31 1387.32 I mean , she is not sharing an office . I mean sh we put some trainee in Gisella's office , because there is a spare room , and that's quite imp Yeah , that's quite uh I mean , that's quite important to keep a spare room in Gisella's office , if we need more staff , but 1365.61 1368.47 1374.16 1375.77 1378.46 1381.27 1385.28 1387.0 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1365.84 1368.011 1365.86 1367.57 Well , she's Go ahead . 1366.02 1367.57 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1370.8 1372.016 1370.82 1371.98 Stagieurs in there . 1371.98 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1375.44 1378.032 1375.61 1378.032 And they are not really in a position to complain . 1377.79 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1386.496 1386.925 1386.52 1386.88 Yeah . 1386.88 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1389.52 1391.812 1389.7 1391.78 I wouldn't work in Gisella's office . 1391.78 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1394.601 1395.136 1394.8 1395.08 Okay . 1395.08 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1395.696 1405.03 1395.8 1405.03 I think it's just a question of work conditions , like if you are a stagieur and you co only coming in for two months , then you can put up with it , but if you're there , you know , for the full year 1397.53 1400.69 1402.02 1403.08 1403.96 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1397.84 1398.363 1397.86 1398.26 Yeah , yeah . 1398.04 1398.26 IB4001 C FIO093 2 1400.704 1406.259 1400.9 1406.259 I it Yeah . So for example now if uh we reserve 1402.35 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1401.76 1402.857 1401.78 1402.62 Mm yeah . 1402.62 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1405.168 1415.712 1405.19 1415.68 For example , and there is no room in the cupboards for any people except Gisella , because she got lots of paper archives and files and stuff like that . So it's really , she needs 1405.68 1410.08 1413.95 1414.99 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1411.765 1413.088 1411.87 1413.05 Yeah that's true . 1413.05 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1413.84 1414.348 1413.87 1414.28 Mm-hmm . 1414.28 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1416.096 1418.18 1416.16 1418.08 She needs spaces . Okay . 1417.7 1418.08 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1416.912 1417.6 1417.01 1417.56 space . 1417.56 IB4001 C FIO093 2 1417.584 1427.12 1417.6 1427.12 Yeah , yeah . But we can uh reserve So if you reserve a two people room , we can put uh trainees 1418.13 1419.01 1423.55 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1417.84 1418.128 1417.86 1418.08 Yeah . 1418.08 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1427.504 1429.112 1427.54 1428.89 Mm . Yeah . 1428.68 1428.89 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1428.256 1430.172 1428.28 1430.14 Yeah , in there if they need to go . 1428.71 1430.14 IB4001 C FIO093 2 1428.56 1431.192 1428.58 1431.06 Further on if they are in the same room . 1431.06 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1430.096 1430.528 1430.12 1430.46 Hmm . 1430.46 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1431.488 1431.856 1431.57 1431.82 Yeah . 1431.82 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1431.984 1434.608 1432.0 1434.57 Okay , so Gisella at this southwest office ? 1432.3 1434.57 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1434.528 1434.96 1434.56 1434.92 Yeah . 1434.92 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1435.408 1435.6 1435.43 1435.56 Yeah . 1435.56 IB4001 C FIO093 2 1435.552 1436.432 1435.59 1436.29 In the corner . 1436.29 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1442.72 1446.608 1442.74 1446.608 Are you sure it's southwest ? I dunno if thi if this map is a 1444.63 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1446.16 1449.168 1446.18 1449.12 South Well , southwest if that's north . 1447.6 1449.12 IB4001 C FIO093 2 1446.8 1447.241 1446.82 1447.19 South . 1447.19 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1449.264 1453.536 1449.39 1453.5 Okay , the map is north oriented . Okay . No . 1449.9 1452.58 1453.24 1453.5 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1450.688 1456.352 1450.72 1456.352 Southwest for us . No tha Well , I'm assuming that's what you meant , right ? That 1452.64 1454.24 1455.6 1456.05 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1455.481 1458.032 1455.77 1457.99 Yeah , yeah , that that one , yeah . 1456.62 1456.89 1457.77 1457.99 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1455.856 1459.613 1455.88 1459.33 Okay . I don't know . 1457.97 1459.33 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1458.112 1460.336 1458.13 1459.46 But that's southeast anyways . 1459.46 IB4001 C FIO093 2 1460.304 1462.867 1460.32 1462.78 Southeast , yeah . That's southeast . 1460.86 1461.69 1462.78 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1461.008 1463.072 1461.03 1463.072 Oh right , yeah , that's southeast , yeah it's 1461.47 1461.65 1462.37 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1462.64 1463.893 1462.66 1463.893 Anyways yeah , but 1463.44 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1463.6 1466.512 1463.62 1466.21 This office right ? That's . 1465.07 1466.21 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1464.832 1466.096 1464.86 1466.05 Yeah , this office , yeah . 1465.15 1465.8 1466.05 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1465.2 1470.592 1465.22 1470.592 Okay . You know because with mountain mountains and old town it's not No , sorry until but 1466.69 1469.53 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1470.512 1480.311 1470.53 1480.16 No , I I'm very bad at orienting where's north in Geneva , I always get it wrong . But I just assumed Nikos was talking about the orientation here . 1470.88 1474.91 1476.35 1480.16 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1478.336 1480.911 1478.36 1480.81 Uh yeah , I was just talking about uh here on the map . 1478.79 1480.81 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1478.616 1479.366 1478.84 1479.17 Okay . 1479.17 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1479.984 1486.496 1480.0 1486.46 No , because sunrise and sunshine is quite uh sunshine , sunrise and sunset is quite also a good um 1480.13 1483.35 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1484.464 1485.52 1484.63 1485.47 Oh , that's true . 1484.75 1485.47 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1489.376 1495.52 1489.42 1495.49 So wait , we face the old town we face the old town now , and we are facing 1490.53 1494.46 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1489.888 1493.824 1489.99 1493.824 something to take into account . 1493.7 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1495.286 1497.655 1495.286 1497.47 Uh northeast . 1497.47 IB4001 C FIO093 2 1497.232 1497.632 1497.25 1497.56 North . 1497.56 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1497.984 1498.8 1498.01 1498.77 northeast . 1498.77 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1499.664 1500.496 1499.8 1500.46 Sunrise . 1500.46 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1500.704 1503.232 1500.72 1502.98 Okay . So . 1502.44 1502.98 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1505.776 1508.542 1506.14 1508.36 This is northeast . 1508.36 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1506.412 1508.62 1506.47 1508.58 It's east , yeah , east . No , east . 1507.3 1507.71 1507.92 1508.12 1508.58 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1510.592 1512.992 1510.64 1512.94 We we have sun in the morning only . 1512.94 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1515.072 1516.272 1515.09 1516.11 Yeah . 1516.11 IB4001 C FIO093 2 1516.816 1517.92 1516.84 1517.87 When do we have sun ? 1517.87 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1517.84 1525.76 1517.86 1525.67 So it does mean that the three piece room which is in the opposite of the northeast is the most sunny one . 1525.67 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1523.868 1524.774 1524.15 1524.67 Mm-hmm . 1524.67 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1525.904 1527.6 1525.92 1527.4 This one . 1527.4 IB4001 C FIO093 2 1528.512 1531.029 1528.512 1530.92 But s - IB4001 A MIO092 0 1528.736 1529.68 1528.76 1529.52 Let's say that . 1529.52 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1530.176 1531.802 1530.45 1531.802 The three people room or - IB4001 A MIO092 0 1530.592 1533.686 1530.61 1533.65 It's it's the one you have of now , you both . 1532.97 1533.65 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1534.08 1536.864 1534.63 1536.51 It's the oven . 1536.51 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1534.592 1535.504 1534.64 1535.39 More or less . 1535.39 IB4001 C FIO093 2 1536.896 1538.9 1536.92 1538.77 Well , there is a quite a lot of sun . 1537.09 1538.77 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1538.304 1543.904 1538.32 1543.904 You get the sunset then . No ? And it's really warm and 1540.5 1542.53 IB4001 C FIO093 2 1542.512 1545.379 1542.59 1545.379 Y yes and no . It's , yeah , it's really warm , that's 1543.65 1544.0 1544.24 1545.03 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1544.627 1546.546 1544.77 1546.4 You get lots of sun during summer , yes . 1546.19 1546.4 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1546.08 1551.584 1546.11 1551.584 Do you Uh by the way , is it a six floor building or is there more 1548.35 IB4001 C FIO093 2 1546.277 1547.837 1546.41 1547.79 Yeah yeah , that's true . 1547.31 1547.79 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1551.664 1552.928 1551.82 1552.89 Yeah , we're the top floor . 1552.04 1552.89 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1553.056 1554.752 1553.08 1554.72 Okay . So it's warm . 1554.06 1554.72 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1555.184 1555.408 1555.2 1555.31 Yeah . 1555.31 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1556.592 1566.176 1556.61 1566.14 It The building design is pretty much the same as the one we have now , we're just getting more space this way , because we couldn't move in the other building , 'cause it was occupied by the other departments . 1559.84 1561.9 1564.39 1566.14 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1559.376 1560.448 1559.4 1560.39 Mm . Okay . 1560.01 1560.39 IB4001 C FIO093 2 1561.424 1562.735 1561.45 1562.53 Okay . Mm-hmm . 1562.23 1562.53 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1563.808 1564.242 1563.83 1564.18 Mm . 1564.18 IB4001 C FIO093 2 1573.296 1574.976 1573.32 1574.976 Okay , good , p so 1573.79 1574.38 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1579.712 1582.176 1579.73 1582.14 So how many rooms - IB4001 C FIO093 2 1580.16 1581.051 1580.18 1580.97 And next . 1580.97 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1583.616 1585.888 1583.65 1585.82 and uh how many place do we have ? 1585.82 IB4001 C FIO093 2 1585.888 1589.555 1585.91 1589.4 So we have reserved now two two person rooms . 1589.4 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1587.343 1590.24 1587.6 1590.2 Actually , why don't I change it on here as well . 1587.99 1590.2 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1593.456 1595.392 1593.48 1595.32 So that's Gisella . 1595.32 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1595.328 1602.736 1595.4 1602.7 Yeah , plus one spare place , but really the last place to be used . 1595.91 1598.98 1602.7 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1597.646 1598.959 1597.79 1598.83 Plus spare , yeah . 1598.47 1598.83 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1603.28 1604.752 1603.3 1604.69 Plus fax . 1604.69 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1605.136 1605.68 1605.2 1605.63 Yeah . 1605.63 IB4001 C FIO093 2 1605.92 1606.416 1605.97 1606.38 Mm-hmm . 1606.38 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1608.72 1612.624 1608.81 1612.5 And then this is the reading room . 1612.5 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1612.816 1613.28 1612.88 1613.23 Okay . 1613.23 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1614.745 1615.296 1614.84 1615.26 Oops . 1615.26 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1618.816 1620.112 1618.9 1619.85 Um . 1619.85 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1621.696 1628.82 1621.72 1628.82 So that leaves us with what ? Six , eight , fourteen places , which is 1623.13 1623.36 1625.85 1628.17 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1623.008 1627.024 1623.07 1627.024 We got two , three , four , six , nine 1623.74 1624.13 1625.26 1626.14 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1624.768 1626.642 1624.768 1626.642 We got - IB4001 A MIO092 0 1628.24 1630.707 1628.24 1630.59 Fourteen places ? 1630.59 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1629.888 1630.96 1629.91 1630.93 For fourteen people ? 1630.93 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1632.432 1638.496 1632.45 1637.54 For f Yeah . No for fourteen , 'cause Gisella's already got a room . 1634.27 1634.98 1637.54 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1632.608 1633.712 1632.63 1633.68 For fourteen people ? 1633.68 IB4001 C FIO093 2 1633.12 1634.272 1633.14 1634.24 For fifteen people . 1634.24 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1636.432 1636.72 1636.45 1636.69 Yeah . 1636.69 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1636.64 1636.933 1636.66 1636.87 Yeah . 1636.87 IB4001 C FIO093 2 1637.36 1638.384 1637.38 1638.35 Yeah . Yeah , yeah . 1638.04 1638.17 1638.35 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1639.665 1640.843 1639.85 1640.72 So we are good . 1640.72 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1640.336 1641.808 1640.36 1640.84 T Okay . 1640.84 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1642.352 1650.56 1642.352 1650.41 Excuse me . Okay . Um . 1648.83 1649.78 1650.41 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1644.112 1644.856 1644.21 1644.74 Bless you . 1644.74 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1651.504 1652.032 1651.52 1652.032 So - IB4001 B FIE038 1 1651.952 1654.128 1651.99 1653.99 So I'm gonna take Gisella off of - IB4001 B FIE038 1 1658.064 1662.594 1658.24 1662.48 that list as well . I'll put her in grey , I guess . 1660.78 1661.97 1662.48 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1668.288 1677.104 1668.31 1677.05 Can we group people by their name ? I to Marianne . So it's gonna be Mariannes' office . 1672.27 1675.09 1677.05 IB4001 C FIO093 2 1671.104 1676.24 1671.104 1676.12 Marianne , Marianne . Yeah , why not ? 1672.78 1675.33 1675.52 1676.12 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1671.312 1673.345 1671.312 1673.16 Alphabetically . 1673.16 IB4001 C FIO093 2 1677.024 1678.608 1677.024 1678.52 Yeah , that would be fun . 1677.57 1678.52 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1677.648 1686.992 1677.69 1686.95 Is is any Is there anybody who's not happy with the current situation , so we could try to just keep the same arrangement just on the new building ? 1681.31 1686.95 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1686.912 1699.479 1686.94 1699.479 Yeah , that's going that can be . That's boring , but that can be a good idea , but do do we can we do that ? Because there is No we can't , because No we can't , there is two 1687.19 1689.06 1689.72 1690.88 1694.08 1696.49 1698.58 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1687.936 1690.16 1687.96 1690.16 That's boring . 1690.11 IB4001 C FIO093 2 1689.488 1691.161 1689.74 1691.161 That's boring . 1690.77 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1692.752 1693.44 1692.77 1693.37 Can we ? 1693.37 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1695.232 1695.616 1695.26 1695.58 No . 1695.58 IB4001 C FIO093 2 1695.494 1697.09 1695.56 1696.89 No , we don't . 1695.95 1696.89 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1697.36 1701.168 1697.43 1701.168 We have , we have one extra one person office and 1698.72 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1701.52 1703.104 1701.54 1703.06 And two three person room . 1703.06 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1702.352 1707.552 1702.51 1707.47 Two three person offices , yeah . Plus we have the two people who aren't there now 1703.66 1704.24 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1708.256 1709.648 1708.28 1709.648 Yeah . So 1709.33 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1708.912 1710.24 1708.93 1710.0 that we have to put somewhere . 1710.0 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1712.88 1716.816 1712.93 1716.78 We can keep some of the people together that are together now , but 1716.67 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1715.04 1716.608 1715.07 1716.54 Mm . Yeah yeah . 1716.08 1716.54 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1718.176 1719.424 1718.2 1719.39 not everyone definitely . 1719.39 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1720.944 1721.712 1720.96 1721.64 Okay . 1721.64 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1723.248 1727.024 1724.04 1726.94 So , let's start then top to bottom : Maggie , 1724.71 1726.35 1726.94 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1728.16 1731.68 1728.35 1731.65 Well , why don't we take a break and go off and think about it ? 1729.19 1731.65 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1728.752 1729.979 1728.77 1729.78 Susan , . 1729.78 1729.78 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1731.824 1732.24 1731.95 1732.21 Yeah . 1732.21 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1732.688 1744.896 1732.71 1744.896 And then once we have more concrete ideas we can come back and finish it , 'cause if we just sit here and discuss , it's gonna take a long time and we're gonna start arguing and get cranky and 1738.79 1741.75 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1733.392 1736.352 1733.42 1736.32 I think we clear the things a little bit up too s Yeah . 1736.32 IB4001 C FIO093 2 1736.656 1737.168 1736.68 1737.13 Okay . 1737.13 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1741.056 1741.408 1741.12 1741.37 Yeah . 1741.37 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1742.992 1743.495 1743.01 1743.45 Yeah , yeah . 1743.21 1743.45 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1745.632 1746.144 1745.73 1746.08 Okay . 1746.08 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1747.264 1749.657 1747.28 1749.47 So let's have a break . Save your file . 1748.55 1749.47 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1747.189 1748.54 1747.32 1748.54 Alright so - IB4001 B FIE038 1 1749.76 1749.984 1749.78 1749.94 Yeah . 1749.94 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1754.288 1755.232 1754.31 1755.18 You have X_P_ ? 1755.18 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1755.568 1755.889 1755.59 1755.76 Yep . 1755.76 IB4001 A MIO092 0 1757.648 1758.411 1757.67 1758.3 That's nice . 1758.3 IB4001 B FIE038 1 1759.168 1762.88 1759.2 1762.78 Mm-hmm . Okay . 1761.21 1762.78 IB4001 D MIO091 3 1763.632 1764.96 1763.82 1764.69 So how long is ? 1764.69 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1.664 11.347 1.68 11.25 Okay . So now that we've all had a bit of time to think about it , um does anyone have any concrete proposals or do we want to just 2.65 5.95 IB4002 D MIO091 3 11.785 15.424 11.93 15.34 go through people and start placing them and kind of discuss as we go along ? 15.34 IB4002 A MIO092 0 21.515 24.141 21.94 24.09 I don't think they are concrete proposals . 24.09 IB4002 D MIO091 3 24.637 25.557 24.82 25.06 Nope . 25.06 IB4002 A MIO092 0 25.4 26.334 25.78 25.9 No . 25.9 IB4002 B FIE038 1 25.621 26.752 25.78 26.45 Not really . 26.45 IB4002 C FIO093 2 26.048 36.896 26.17 36.81 No , it's kind of we should maybe find a method to do stuff . Like , I don't know , choose one parameter . 26.88 33.91 34.19 34.71 36.81 IB4002 C FIO093 2 39.097 53.504 39.31 53.504 The first parameter to choose people to choose where to put people , like I dunno maybe permanent staff and non-permanent staff , we know that professor will stay for a long time . We uh we don't know for the other 42.81 47.88 50.97 IB4002 D MIO091 3 38.923 39.808 39.31 39.75 Okay . 39.75 IB4002 D MIO091 3 50.496 50.88 50.52 50.79 Yeah . 50.79 IB4002 C FIO093 2 55.408 56.029 55.43 55.78 So - IB4002 D MIO091 3 55.358 56.547 55.49 56.41 Yeah , that's true . 56.03 56.41 IB4002 C FIO093 2 57.44 63.632 57.46 63.45 maybe that could be the first parameter to take into account . Not just to have this dis 60.17 IB4002 D MIO091 3 62.368 65.136 62.4 65.136 Yeah , give them like the most comfortable offices and 62.67 IB4002 B FIE038 1 64.277 65.168 64.31 64.67 Yeah . 64.67 IB4002 C FIO093 2 65.024 67.344 65.17 67.31 Yeah , and have this discussion every two years . 65.54 67.31 IB4002 D MIO091 3 68.332 68.986 68.57 68.69 Yeah . 68.69 IB4002 C FIO093 2 69.024 69.767 69.14 69.69 Because it's , 69.69 IB4002 C FIO093 2 70.507 71.113 70.72 71.113 you know - IB4002 A MIO092 0 72.196 73.476 72.37 73.27 Yeah , this makes sense . 72.47 73.27 IB4002 C FIO093 2 73.776 90.16 73.776 90.13 make sense for everyone . So we can choose where to put uh , I would say , the the the three first one of the list . Yeah . Yeah , yeah . And yeah . 75.27 78.26 79.34 85.36 86.48 86.7 87.82 90.13 IB4002 B FIE038 1 75.241 76.24 75.8 76.2 Yeah , yeah . 75.95 76.2 IB4002 B FIE038 1 77.943 79.674 78.18 79.39 Suzanne , for example . 78.54 79.39 IB4002 B FIE038 1 83.12 83.84 83.14 83.23 Mm-hmm . 83.23 IB4002 D MIO091 3 83.264 87.06 83.57 86.99 'Cause a professor , but he's only here half time , so it's sort of a different situation . 84.27 85.52 86.99 IB4002 D MIO091 3 87.792 93.952 87.82 93.83 And he's a professor at , but not in Geneva , he just does research in Geneva . 89.23 90.68 93.83 IB4002 C FIO093 2 91.734 96.432 92.08 96.17 Mm and maybe the two other senior Andrei and Nancy . 96.17 IB4002 D MIO091 3 96.096 96.448 96.12 96.41 Yeah . 96.41 IB4002 D MIO091 3 97.488 98.508 97.51 98.47 Okay , so let's 97.82 IB4002 C FIO093 2 97.632 99.232 97.66 99.19 And then , yeah . 98.98 99.19 IB4002 D MIO091 3 99.523 103.146 99.69 103.146 go through that first . Um 102.35 IB4002 C FIO093 2 100.96 101.754 101.01 101.69 Mm . 101.69 IB4002 B FIE038 1 107.968 109.671 107.99 109.671 So what do you think for uh - IB4002 C FIO093 2 108.059 109.184 108.059 109.184 . 1406.34 IB4002 B FIE038 1 110.912 112.937 110.93 112.76 Susan and Maggie for example the - IB4002 B FIE038 1 113.745 116.034 113.97 115.82 the rooms for one person . 115.82 IB4002 C FIO093 2 117.424 119.222 117.45 119.06 Yeah , that could be an idea . 117.95 119.06 IB4002 D MIO091 3 117.309 123.067 117.45 122.97 Yeah . And for Susan probably yeah , 'cause I think she prefers to have her own office . 118.85 120.39 122.97 IB4002 C FIO093 2 120.848 122.128 120.91 122.09 Yeah . Mm . 121.71 122.09 IB4002 C FIO093 2 123.584 123.958 123.64 123.87 Yeah . 123.87 IB4002 D MIO091 3 124.144 126.912 124.22 126.88 Um . Okay . Any preferences to which one ? 125.23 125.58 126.88 IB4002 B FIE038 1 127.896 128.805 128.18 128.45 Naturally . 128.45 IB4002 D MIO091 3 131.399 133.478 131.69 133.36 'Kay . I put Susan here for now . 132.1 133.36 IB4002 C FIO093 2 133.146 134.258 133.146 133.99 can switch . 133.99 IB4002 D MIO091 3 134.976 136.192 135.0 136.0 And then Maggie in the other one ? 136.0 IB4002 C FIO093 2 136.011 136.718 136.18 136.56 Yeah . 136.56 IB4002 A MIO092 0 136.348 139.452 136.37 138.47 Yeah . It's up to them I guess uh . 137.14 138.47 IB4002 B FIE038 1 137.104 137.779 137.104 137.104 . 137.104 IB4002 D MIO091 3 139.437 144.229 139.46 144.229 No , it's up to us . They're not here so 139.96 140.99 IB4002 A MIO092 0 140.002 144.608 140.02 144.37 Up to us ? Well I mean they they can switch later . They can switch later . 140.67 142.79 144.37 IB4002 B FIE038 1 139.815 141.872 141.49 141.872 Yeah , to 141.76 IB4002 C FIO093 2 142.119 143.149 142.32 143.149 Which is - IB4002 D MIO091 3 146.181 147.776 146.63 147.74 Um okay . 147.74 IB4002 D MIO091 3 152.477 154.987 152.84 154.987 And then - IB4002 A MIO092 0 154.991 156.102 155.28 155.97 Pirette next ? 155.97 IB4002 C FIO093 2 157.408 167.876 157.69 167.78 So we need to put Pirette , Andrei and Nancy do we want to the the question is now is do we want to put the three together or the three completely separate 158.99 IB4002 D MIO091 3 156.719 158.266 158.07 158.19 Yep . 158.19 IB4002 C FIO093 2 168.32 169.154 168.32 169.12 with - IB4002 C FIO093 2 170.592 171.264 170.61 171.13 other people ? 171.13 IB4002 B FIE038 1 172.577 180.336 172.577 180.19 I would say not together in a three it's quite a lo yeah , yeah . 179.41 180.19 IB4002 D MIO091 3 172.245 173.647 173.48 173.647 Um - IB4002 D MIO091 3 175.792 184.432 175.82 184.38 Well , Pierrette has students and Andrei and don't . Well , does Andrei ? S he teaches but okay . 176.46 180.12 180.62 181.88 184.38 IB4002 C FIO093 2 178.304 180.435 178.49 180.02 Yeah , yeah . 179.12 180.02 IB4002 C FIO093 2 181.6 186.405 181.87 186.19 Some , some . Yeah , but few , less than Pierrette . 182.74 183.77 184.14 185.26 186.19 IB4002 B FIE038 1 182.2 183.632 182.2 183.6 some . 183.6 IB4002 B FIE038 1 185.036 186.458 185.23 186.2 Just yeah . 186.2 IB4002 D MIO091 3 186.449 186.92 186.58 186.74 Yeah . 186.74 IB4002 C FIO093 2 189.54 190.816 189.78 190.816 So we have a - IB4002 D MIO091 3 193.621 199.176 193.65 199.14 'Cause also if we're gonna put people together by projects then there's no sense to put them together , 'cause they all work on different projects . 197.66 199.14 IB4002 C FIO093 2 198.961 199.6 199.24 199.57 Mm . 199.57 IB4002 D MIO091 3 200.989 201.526 201.06 201.42 Right ? 201.42 IB4002 C FIO093 2 201.062 201.652 201.22 201.43 Yeah . 201.43 IB4002 C FIO093 2 203.12 212.304 203.14 212.16 Um I just realised something . The two people room in the middle which has only one windows , 207.01 212.16 IB4002 D MIO091 3 205.905 206.727 206.04 206.61 Mm ? 206.61 IB4002 D MIO091 3 212.013 212.352 212.08 212.25 Yeah . 212.25 IB4002 C FIO093 2 213.31 216.704 213.5 216.62 it's gonna be pretty hard to put two people inside that room . 216.62 IB4002 D MIO091 3 217.602 218.814 217.65 218.67 'Cause they'll fight for the window . 218.67 IB4002 C FIO093 2 219.056 219.296 219.08 219.26 Yeah . 219.26 IB4002 B FIE038 1 220.048 221.131 220.07 221.0 Yeah , it's quite dark . 220.22 221.0 IB4002 D MIO091 3 221.936 223.528 222.0 223.35 What about moving Gisella in there ? 223.35 IB4002 D MIO091 3 224.112 230.775 224.18 230.69 If she's in there half the time , she can have her desk near the window , and okay , she's not near the mailbox , but 225.35 228.13 228.61 230.35 IB4002 C FIO093 2 226.816 232.828 226.89 232.6 Yeah . Except we yeah . And near the photocopier . 228.41 231.48 232.6 IB4002 D MIO091 3 232.878 238.464 233.08 238.22 but it maybe more sort of practical in terms of working environments for people . 238.22 IB4002 C FIO093 2 238.115 238.586 238.23 238.45 Yeah . 238.45 IB4002 B FIE038 1 239.248 240.457 239.27 240.19 Yeah , it would be nicer . 239.41 240.19 IB4002 C FIO093 2 242.525 244.192 242.72 244.14 And what about the reading room ? 244.14 IB4002 A MIO092 0 242.536 243.446 243.3 243.4 Who ? 243.4 IB4002 D MIO091 3 247.185 251.381 247.21 251.381 But again , one of the reasons for putting the reading room where it is is so that you have 247.54 IB4002 C FIO093 2 249.184 271.978 249.2 271.92 Yeah , but you I mean uh I think , everybody is supposed to spend more time in their office than in the reading room . So we might think that it's better to have a more comfortable office than a more comfortable reading room , I don't know , it change the plan of the morning , I'm sorry , but I just realised that stupid architect put only one windows . 249.98 253.75 258.62 264.62 265.76 267.05 267.55 271.92 IB4002 D MIO091 3 255.766 260.013 255.766 260.013 You think . 258.79 IB4002 B FIE038 1 256.283 259.751 256.283 259.34 Finally , you think ? 257.54 259.34 IB4002 B FIE038 1 263.328 265.374 263.42 265.374 Yeah , I agree , it's uh 263.58 264.1 IB4002 A MIO092 0 265.425 266.383 265.425 266.383 . 1623.23 IB4002 D MIO091 3 271.031 271.873 271.1 271.64 Yeah . 271.64 IB4002 C FIO093 2 273.36 276.847 273.41 276.847 Who built this building ? Do we know that ? 274.43 276.73 IB4002 D MIO091 3 275.488 276.957 275.51 276.6 I don't know . 276.6 IB4002 C FIO093 2 279.632 281.184 279.67 281.15 I dunno . What do you think ? 280.26 281.15 IB4002 A MIO092 0 280.374 287.568 280.82 287.568 So I don't know , we spent quite some time at the last meeting and t to decide this , and now we are just 281.69 285.69 IB4002 C FIO093 2 282.861 283.547 282.99 283.45 Yeah . 283.45 IB4002 C FIO093 2 285.104 287.844 285.12 287.81 Yeah , I know , but in the last meeting nobody just 285.37 286.09 IB4002 C FIO093 2 288.752 293.568 288.77 293.53 took attention at this one windows problem . And I think it is one problem . 292.05 293.53 IB4002 A MIO092 0 293.341 303.453 293.83 303.453 Of course , but everybody had the documents before , so you could have studied them . So I don't think it's a good idea . Yeah , m 294.27 296.24 297.45 302.76 303.03 IB4002 D MIO091 3 294.027 295.206 294.05 295.206 Or what if you put - IB4002 C FIO093 2 297.45 302.352 297.53 302.352 Yeah , you too , I can I can say the thing to you , I'm sorry . 297.8 298.25 301.79 302.25 IB4002 B FIE038 1 300.192 303.039 300.21 303.039 You you said that there is electricity . 302.7 IB4002 D MIO091 3 301.552 307.232 302.91 307.2 What if we put the two people that are fifty per cent in that room ? Yeah . 307.0 307.2 IB4002 B FIE038 1 305.36 306.048 305.38 306.048 In the - IB4002 C FIO093 2 305.521 309.888 305.54 309.85 The two people ? That's really welcoming and warming . 307.95 309.85 IB4002 D MIO091 3 310.26 312.314 310.45 312.15 But they are only here fifty per cent . 312.15 IB4002 C FIO093 2 312.228 312.8 312.35 312.71 Yeah . 312.71 IB4002 B FIE038 1 312.624 316.0 312.66 315.97 Well , let's uh how we can uh fill the three person rooms ? 312.76 315.97 IB4002 C FIO093 2 318.491 320.915 318.75 320.61 What what what ? Say it again . 319.95 320.61 IB4002 B FIE038 1 319.348 329.767 319.55 329.767 Uh how we ge who we gonna put in the three person rooms ? I mean we have now a two three person rooms left . And um 324.21 328.69 IB4002 C FIO093 2 332.28 345.041 332.49 344.99 No no , but the main problem we have the same number of place and the same number of people now . Yeah . And uh I just noticed that we have this two people room 332.76 339.57 340.21 IB4002 B FIE038 1 336.415 340.175 336.48 339.94 Yeah , yeah . Mm , we do . Mm . 337.09 337.25 337.51 339.79 339.94 IB4002 D MIO091 3 338.064 339.936 338.08 339.72 So everyone has to go somewhere . 339.72 IB4002 A MIO092 0 345.015 350.287 345.7 350.06 W I I I don't mind going into this office . 350.06 IB4002 D MIO091 3 345.616 348.837 345.9 348.64 And you also have one three person room with two windows . 348.64 IB4002 C FIO093 2 345.824 363.392 346.28 363.392 with only one windows . Yeah . You don't mind to have okay , so , Nikos and you have to find yeah . You have to find somebody agree to come with you . And it's not a question of you it's a question of windows . 347.59 347.75 353.72 355.01 357.38 360.27 362.96 IB4002 D MIO091 3 351.342 352.752 351.342 352.72 Nikos volunteers . 352.72 IB4002 A MIO092 0 351.331 352.11 351.35 351.95 No . 351.95 IB4002 D MIO091 3 355.478 357.391 355.69 357.22 Who you're taking with you ? 357.22 IB4002 C FIO093 2 368.432 372.64 368.5 372.64 Who would you put with you ? Let's put a fifty per cent so 371.15 IB4002 A MIO092 0 372.982 374.512 373.31 374.15 Oh , why not ? 373.7 374.15 IB4002 D MIO091 3 375.6 379.921 376.64 379.81 Okay . Well 'kay so let's put David in there , yeah . 377.74 379.2 379.81 IB4002 C FIO093 2 376.672 385.024 376.69 385.024 From the David . Yeah . Do you know David ? You will learn to know him . 379.16 380.8 383.78 384.99 IB4002 A MIO092 0 380.651 380.992 380.78 380.96 Yeah ? 380.96 IB4002 A MIO092 0 382.144 382.384 382.2 382.35 No . 382.35 IB4002 D MIO091 3 383.376 386.976 383.78 386.9 You'll meet him . Okay . 386.66 386.9 IB4002 D MIO091 3 387.92 390.041 388.2 389.92 So I'm just gonna - IB4002 D MIO091 3 392.162 394.721 392.31 394.43 make a list on here of who we have . 394.43 IB4002 D MIO091 3 399.408 400.377 399.408 400.1 keep talking . 400.1 IB4002 C FIO093 2 400.359 402.096 400.47 401.85 So David and Nikos , it's done . 401.52 401.85 IB4002 C FIO093 2 404.298 407.699 404.38 407.699 And with um Pirette uh - IB4002 B FIE038 1 404.688 409.568 404.75 408.97 So , where were we ? Uh Pierrette , uh Andrei , Nancy ? 405.14 406.2 406.95 407.29 408.97 IB4002 C FIO093 2 408.753 410.602 408.97 409.99 Andrei and Nancy . 409.99 IB4002 A MIO092 0 415.216 419.935 415.24 419.74 Maybe we can put Pierrette and her t two two P_H_D_ students into one room ? 419.74 IB4002 B FIE038 1 422.032 422.881 422.07 422.71 Yeah , why not ? 422.21 422.71 IB4002 C FIO093 2 423.968 426.052 423.99 425.79 How many P_H_D_ student does she have ? 425.79 IB4002 B FIE038 1 426.656 428.26 426.7 428.26 All two Mariannes or - IB4002 C FIO093 2 429.92 430.512 429.94 430.47 And me . 430.47 IB4002 C FIO093 2 431.333 432.673 431.333 431.333 . 431.333 IB4002 B FIE038 1 431.584 439.264 431.61 439.264 And you too , okay . So we need a 432.36 434.61 IB4002 C FIO093 2 433.696 442.976 433.696 442.82 Yes , I'm doing a P_H_D_ . Yes . Officially . Um . 435.93 438.37 438.97 442.23 442.82 IB4002 D MIO091 3 438.048 439.72 438.048 439.68 with Pierrette . 439.68 IB4002 D MIO091 3 447.216 452.678 447.33 452.53 Okay , so David , Nikos , Gisella , Maggie and Susan are done . 447.68 449.15 449.71 451.22 452.53 IB4002 D MIO091 3 459.144 459.792 459.38 459.58 Okay . 459.58 IB4002 C FIO093 2 460.643 464.912 460.77 464.82 So and can you put the the map again , so we s see what happen . 462.76 464.82 IB4002 D MIO091 3 462.612 463.264 462.81 462.98 Yeah . 462.98 IB4002 C FIO093 2 465.249 466.562 465.54 466.29 Um . 466.29 IB4002 C FIO093 2 469.28 475.518 469.32 475.18 That's that might be a good idea to put Pirette with two P_H_D_ student , whoever they are . 474.45 475.18 IB4002 D MIO091 3 474.079 477.466 474.12 477.31 Okay . Should we be nice and give them three windows ? 474.28 477.31 IB4002 A MIO092 0 477.134 485.738 477.27 485.42 Um yeah , mayb maybe the other one would be more convenient if we are all working on the same project . So we are close by . 478.14 484.3 485.42 IB4002 C FIO093 2 484.388 485.313 484.6 485.23 Which one ? 485.23 IB4002 D MIO091 3 485.721 486.768 486.19 486.3 Okay . 486.3 IB4002 C FIO093 2 487.2 487.774 487.23 487.55 Okay . 487.55 IB4002 C FIO093 2 490.433 491.881 490.52 491.74 So Pirette and - IB4002 C FIO093 2 492.68 494.04 492.83 493.68 the two Mariannes . 493.68 IB4002 D MIO091 3 494.125 496.704 494.125 496.704 That won't get confusing . 496.58 IB4002 B FIE038 1 496.192 503.315 496.192 503.315 Yeah , I'd like to have a view to the mountains , but well 498.14 500.39 IB4002 C FIO093 2 500.655 504.594 500.68 504.49 Okay , so wha put me with Marianne and Pirette , it's alright . 501.17 503.59 504.49 IB4002 A MIO092 0 502.034 502.748 502.13 502.16 Mm . 502.16 IB4002 C FIO093 2 505.664 508.96 505.68 508.96 And we put Marianne in front if she want to be - IB4002 D MIO091 3 510.018 510.624 510.14 510.59 Where ? Here ? 510.44 510.59 IB4002 C FIO093 2 510.784 515.472 510.8 515.36 No , on the room on the opposite oh no , that's the old town view . 511.66 514.16 515.36 IB4002 D MIO091 3 512.443 513.487 512.61 513.28 Oh , here . 513.13 513.28 IB4002 B FIE038 1 514.384 514.95 514.75 514.92 Yeah . 514.92 IB4002 B FIE038 1 515.621 517.991 515.81 517.991 Well that's that will do , but uh 517.13 IB4002 D MIO091 3 516.465 518.716 516.6 518.63 Would have to be here or the other three person room . 518.63 IB4002 B FIE038 1 521.869 540.339 521.95 540.3 Yeah well f yeah , it's uh yeah , old town is as well as well yeah , that's alright . Yeah yeah . And that's good , because there are Pirette , Marianne and Nikos they are on the other side of the corridor , so it's yeah . 523.6 524.91 527.99 528.77 529.1 532.32 534.28 538.94 540.3 IB4002 D MIO091 3 523.696 525.075 523.73 525.075 Pick a room . 524.96 IB4002 C FIO093 2 524.674 530.472 524.69 530.25 Pick a room . Is that alright ? Is the old town view beautiful enough ? 525.35 526.38 530.25 IB4002 D MIO091 3 529.569 533.305 529.88 533.19 Well she's not that far if she's like like in this one here . 533.19 IB4002 D MIO091 3 538.448 539.433 538.47 539.29 'Kay so you want this one ? 539.29 IB4002 C FIO093 2 537.274 544.496 539.87 544.45 Mm . Yeah . Okay , so Marianne , and who do you want to work with ? 539.9 541.69 541.97 542.77 544.45 IB4002 B FIE038 1 547.257 552.445 547.35 552.445 Who is left um who - IB4002 C FIO093 2 549.456 554.288 549.456 554.25 Nancy , Martin , Pirette ? No , Pirette is done . 552.26 553.03 553.4 553.57 554.25 IB4002 B FIE038 1 554.88 555.388 554.97 555.388 And - IB4002 C FIO093 2 555.504 566.288 555.52 566.288 Andrei , Yalina , Maria and Agnes . Okay . Okay , so put Yalina with um 556.64 557.67 561.12 561.47 562.3 IB4002 A MIO092 0 557.528 558.678 558.07 558.38 Agnes . 558.38 IB4002 D MIO091 3 558.04 558.695 558.38 558.41 Mm . 558.41 IB4002 B FIE038 1 558.304 563.68 558.58 563.63 Yalina , Ya Yalina would be good . And actually she is working for the same project as well . 558.96 560.4 563.63 IB4002 D MIO091 3 564.482 566.668 564.87 566.23 Okay . . 566.23 566.23 IB4002 B FIE038 1 567.28 572.032 567.38 572.032 With beautiful laughter . 571.82 IB4002 C FIO093 2 568.848 569.436 569.03 569.32 Yeah . 569.32 IB4002 D MIO091 3 569.08 570.038 569.32 569.53 Yalina . 569.53 IB4002 C FIO093 2 571.118 571.84 571.14 571.32 Okay . 571.32 IB4002 C FIO093 2 574.944 576.032 574.96 575.96 And we have uh - IB4002 C FIO093 2 578.832 579.488 579.04 579.488 now - IB4002 C FIO093 2 583.856 588.964 583.9 588.86 Do you think it's a good idea to put Martin and Andrei together , since they are working on the same project ? 586.59 588.86 IB4002 D MIO091 3 589.136 590.281 589.16 590.19 Yeah . That could work . 589.68 590.19 IB4002 B FIE038 1 592.0 595.075 592.02 594.59 And anyway , Martin is just a fifty per cent . 592.51 594.59 IB4002 C FIO093 2 596.912 605.686 596.96 605.686 Yeah . And we might put Martin and Andrei and someone else in the three person room , since the fifty per cent , it's a good 597.68 603.46 604.78 IB4002 B FIE038 1 597.392 597.967 597.392 597.967 . 597.967 IB4002 D MIO091 3 601.85 603.855 602.18 603.64 In room yeah . 603.64 IB4002 D MIO091 3 607.28 607.552 607.3 607.51 Yeah . 607.51 IB4002 A MIO092 0 607.744 608.4 608.08 608.3 Yeah . 608.3 IB4002 D MIO091 3 608.183 608.835 608.2 608.66 Okay . 608.66 IB4002 D MIO091 3 613.605 615.213 613.92 615.06 Mm . 615.06 IB4002 D MIO091 3 616.672 621.392 616.74 621.36 I guess I can go in there , 'cause Martin and I wor are working on the sort of the same thing . 617.77 621.36 IB4002 C FIO093 2 621.68 622.192 621.98 622.1 Okay . 622.1 IB4002 B FIE038 1 622.032 622.575 622.18 622.45 Okay . 622.45 IB4002 D MIO091 3 625.024 626.534 625.04 626.534 And that leaves - IB4002 C FIO093 2 625.414 628.896 625.414 628.78 Maria and Nancy . 628.78 IB4002 D MIO091 3 627.772 629.65 627.8 629.44 And Nancy . 629.44 IB4002 C FIO093 2 632.544 633.891 633.22 633.86 That's really strange . 633.86 IB4002 B FIE038 1 633.248 634.183 633.27 633.93 That's all ? 633.93 IB4002 D MIO091 3 634.042 637.503 634.07 637.503 Yeah , that's a weird combination . 634.64 637.28 IB4002 A MIO092 0 638.288 639.354 638.77 639.24 Why ? 639.24 IB4002 C FIO093 2 646.544 649.528 646.77 649.528 So , what do we think about that ? 646.94 649.11 IB4002 B FIE038 1 646.32 649.28 646.96 649.28 How i how it looks like - IB4002 A MIO092 0 648.328 656.24 648.35 655.91 Okay , w w why don't we move Maria to this to where to the office I'm supposed to be and I can go with Nancy ? 649.34 655.91 IB4002 D MIO091 3 657.649 661.487 657.7 661.37 No , it's not that . It's just you've almost got like a project split , 658.11 658.61 661.37 IB4002 A MIO092 0 657.657 658.991 657.93 658.991 If you think that - IB4002 D MIO091 3 662.32 665.904 662.34 665.72 except that you don't , because 664.83 IB4002 D MIO091 3 668.528 679.103 668.55 678.73 Nancy and Maggie and I work on premindia parmenidy parmenidies . And then Andrei , Martin , Maria and I also work on . 674.41 676.02 676.84 678.73 IB4002 C FIO093 2 673.232 674.538 673.26 674.47 Mm-hmm mm yeah . 674.47 IB4002 D MIO091 3 681.68 687.168 681.7 686.92 And sort of Susan . Although the Susan and Maggie thing we can't really change . 683.55 686.92 IB4002 C FIO093 2 684.56 687.4 684.63 687.18 I think this project thing is not good thing . 687.18 IB4002 C FIO093 2 688.688 690.865 688.78 690.64 This project splitting I mean . 690.64 IB4002 D MIO091 3 690.902 691.441 691.06 691.31 No . 691.31 IB4002 C FIO093 2 691.639 693.222 691.78 692.74 Splitting by project . 692.74 IB4002 D MIO091 3 694.688 697.922 694.71 697.77 But then we should split the little party up . 697.77 IB4002 C FIO093 2 698.844 707.984 698.99 707.984 Yeah . No but if you if if you split by project you put me in one person room . 699.52 707.67 IB4002 B FIE038 1 699.411 700.859 699.7 700.859 Yeah , you can 699.97 IB4002 D MIO091 3 703.811 706.538 703.811 706.44 All on your own . 706.44 IB4002 B FIE038 1 704.384 706.944 704.384 706.78 Ah . 706.78 IB4002 D MIO091 3 714.56 714.928 714.58 714.78 Hmm . 714.78 IB4002 C FIO093 2 730.506 731.752 730.72 731.26 That's hard . 731.26 IB4002 D MIO091 3 733.122 739.721 733.26 739.52 See I would put it the other way . I would put the room with Martin in it in the two window room , 'cause he's fifty per cent , so then at least 734.22 737.43 738.46 IB4002 D MIO091 3 740.816 741.936 740.92 741.936 the other two people get - IB4002 C FIO093 2 743.232 744.521 743.37 744.32 Could you say that again ? 744.32 IB4002 D MIO091 3 745.138 749.515 745.25 749.31 Put Martin in the three person room with two windows . 749.31 IB4002 C FIO093 2 750.288 751.139 750.42 751.06 Okay . 751.06 IB4002 D MIO091 3 750.944 752.729 750.97 752.53 Since he's fifty per cent . 752.53 IB4002 C FIO093 2 752.79 753.505 753.03 753.24 Okay . 753.24 IB4002 C FIO093 2 754.176 755.733 754.75 755.44 So you just - IB4002 C FIO093 2 757.824 759.638 757.84 759.46 you just move him or - IB4002 C FIO093 2 759.975 762.022 760.0 762.022 the two groups ? You just 761.42 IB4002 D MIO091 3 761.839 764.634 762.03 764.5 Either way . Well I don't know for splitting up 763.35 IB4002 A MIO092 0 766.327 772.848 766.55 772.848 But is this about windows or is it about it it it must be functional . If you and Martin work on the same project then 770.6 IB4002 D MIO091 3 766.623 768.128 767.02 768.128 people or - IB4002 B FIE038 1 767.706 770.08 768.31 770.01 Yeah , uh that was my question . 768.44 770.01 IB4002 C FIO093 2 770.0 770.539 770.18 770.4 Yeah . 770.4 IB4002 B FIE038 1 774.0 784.412 774.02 784.412 Yeah , I mean with whom you'd you'd to with whom you'd like to work in the same office . I mean , is it important to have someone uh from the same project or um 774.15 779.41 780.25 IB4002 D MIO091 3 775.084 776.877 775.13 776.55 Well I'm trying to optimise . 776.55 IB4002 D MIO091 3 784.467 788.336 784.69 788.28 I don't think it's necessarily so important to be in the same office with someone - IB4002 C FIO093 2 788.384 789.023 788.47 788.69 No . 788.69 IB4002 D MIO091 3 789.392 791.424 789.41 790.69 if you're working on the same project . 790.69 IB4002 A MIO092 0 790.848 800.032 792.58 799.92 Yeah , we can each other , yeah . . 795.59 798.35 799.92 799.92 IB4002 B FIE038 1 792.512 796.182 792.58 795.91 Yeah , we can skive . But you're gonna disturb all the people . 792.82 793.8 795.91 IB4002 D MIO091 3 792.958 798.977 792.958 798.977 'Cause you're too lazy to get up and walk next door . 798.9 IB4002 B FIE038 1 797.465 800.967 797.86 800.63 We're gonna disturb all the people by skiving all the time . 800.63 IB4002 D MIO091 3 801.84 806.768 801.86 806.45 I don't know like right now I share an office with Bruno . We don't work on any projects together . 804.11 806.45 IB4002 C FIO093 2 806.88 814.864 807.03 814.83 Except coffee time and that's important project too , but uh gossiping and stuff like that , yes . Mm . 810.81 813.5 814.56 814.83 IB4002 D MIO091 3 808.526 819.207 808.67 818.98 Yeah . Of course . But I mean that's fine . Like I don't need to be in the same office with someone who works on or 809.14 811.76 814.99 IB4002 C FIO093 2 819.126 819.631 819.25 819.43 Yeah . 819.43 IB4002 D MIO091 3 819.797 821.421 819.84 821.27 someone who works on parmenidies . 821.27 IB4002 D MIO091 3 822.588 827.807 822.64 827.21 It's not like yeah . 827.21 IB4002 C FIO093 2 822.83 826.836 823.14 826.69 And it's quite funny to to to hear other - IB4002 C FIO093 2 827.408 831.136 827.56 830.57 activities around you . And not always the same stuff . 829.31 830.57 IB4002 B FIE038 1 830.584 832.2 830.72 831.97 Yeah , that's for sure . 830.98 831.97 IB4002 C FIO093 2 832.522 839.478 832.522 839.1 Especially when it's activity that you don't understand or yeah . 839.1 IB4002 D MIO091 3 835.107 839.913 835.33 839.913 Know anything about yeah . You hear things out of context . What ? 836.81 838.51 839.12 IB4002 A MIO092 0 839.444 850.208 839.78 850.17 I agree , but the setup is pretty good now . So Bruno is not on and he's sharing um office ? Uh I'm not sharing somebody with I work on the same project , 840.12 841.61 845.11 850.17 IB4002 B FIE038 1 844.65 845.616 844.91 845.616 With - IB4002 C FIO093 2 848.165 848.737 848.29 848.66 Yeah . 848.66 IB4002 D MIO091 3 848.811 849.417 848.87 849.0 Okay . 849.0 IB4002 C FIO093 2 849.932 851.38 850.17 851.34 No , that's quite nice . 850.29 851.34 IB4002 A MIO092 0 850.732 852.768 850.81 852.2 uh um , yeah . 851.95 852.2 IB4002 B FIE038 1 851.814 860.363 851.94 860.363 Yeah , I Yeah . I dunno you were saying that uh Maria and Nancy doesn't fit together in the same 852.56 853.79 IB4002 D MIO091 3 858.278 862.521 858.45 862.43 I just can't really see them sharing an office , I don't know why . 861.57 862.43 IB4002 B FIE038 1 861.53 869.173 861.78 869.173 So what you say if you change the office uh , I don't know , and you work with Nancy or uh 865.36 866.76 IB4002 B FIE038 1 873.143 875.28 873.29 875.25 What do you yeah , I dunno . 874.79 875.25 IB4002 D MIO091 3 874.369 878.224 874.53 878.15 Or we put Andrei and Nancy to Nancy together 'cause they're starting that new - IB4002 D MIO091 3 879.613 884.366 879.82 884.29 project . And then put Maria with 881.09 IB4002 C FIO093 2 880.793 881.328 880.85 881.29 Oh yeah . 881.29 IB4002 B FIE038 1 881.897 882.907 881.96 882.6 For example ? 882.6 IB4002 A MIO092 0 884.752 886.8 885.05 886.75 Martin and you , yeah . 886.3 886.75 IB4002 D MIO091 3 885.152 889.45 885.27 889.28 me and Martha . I can see that working a bit better . 887.05 889.28 IB4002 C FIO093 2 886.194 889.527 886.26 889.46 Yeah . Yeah , okay , why not . 886.67 887.72 888.9 889.46 IB4002 B FIE038 1 886.274 886.611 886.39 886.51 Yeah . 886.51 IB4002 B FIE038 1 887.419 888.261 887.81 888.23 Sounds okay . 888.23 IB4002 C FIO093 2 895.712 896.717 895.712 896.717 . 896.717 IB4002 D MIO091 3 896.894 898.545 897.32 898.46 Hmm . 898.46 IB4002 C FIO093 2 904.72 905.134 904.72 905.134 . 905.134 IB4002 B FIE038 1 917.371 918.213 917.5 918.06 What do you say ? 918.06 IB4002 C FIO093 2 917.518 919.538 917.85 919.32 I'm not totally convinced . 919.32 IB4002 B FIE038 1 920.033 920.4 920.11 920.31 Sorry ? 920.31 IB4002 C FIO093 2 920.752 924.588 920.8 924.14 I'm not convinced about this . I dunno . 922.76 924.14 IB4002 B FIE038 1 921.728 923.617 921.75 923.25 No , what's bothering you ? 922.07 923.25 IB4002 A MIO092 0 930.706 935.143 931.2 935.143 Yeah , what is it now ? 931.41 935.06 IB4002 B FIE038 1 931.037 934.791 932.61 934.791 I thi I think - IB4002 D MIO091 3 933.456 939.189 933.48 939.189 I thought you were saying you didn't wanna be in a three person room . First of all 937.32 IB4002 C FIO093 2 935.712 946.202 936.5 946.01 Yeah . First of all , no from the beginning I said the three person room it's quite I mean it's a disadvantage . 937.35 937.78 946.01 IB4002 B FIE038 1 937.072 941.724 937.072 941.64 And now you are you are changing your mind all the time . 941.64 IB4002 A MIO092 0 938.339 942.45 938.42 942.45 Bu s somebody has to be - IB4002 B FIE038 1 946.067 950.444 946.49 950.444 Yeah , but if you work with the people like Pirette and Marianne uh 946.9 IB4002 C FIO093 2 950.544 951.939 950.56 951.86 And um - IB4002 C FIO093 2 956.148 960.525 956.42 960.525 to change a little bit this disadvantage we put somebody fifty per cent , in 959.88 IB4002 D MIO091 3 960.798 971.627 960.87 971.46 Yeah . And put David but then you and Nikos have the window problem , which is why I still think we should put Gisella in that room , because 961.35 968.28 970.85 IB4002 C FIO093 2 960.862 968.178 960.95 968.06 three person room , so we could do the same in the three person rooms , but there is still this problem yeah . 961.82 965.06 968.06 IB4002 C FIO093 2 971.12 971.468 971.14 971.43 Yeah . 971.43 IB4002 D MIO091 3 972.496 973.323 972.52 973.323 it's - IB4002 B FIE038 1 974.634 975.648 974.71 975.648 Well , at mm 975.52 IB4002 D MIO091 3 974.449 985.786 974.81 985.786 She gets the window , the whatever , he's there for two months , it's their problem . Yeah . Not for enjoying the view . 976.21 977.14 979.06 980.09 980.68 985.59 IB4002 C FIO093 2 978.932 986.096 978.932 985.93 yeah , it's here for working . Not not us but exactly . 981.17 983.4 985.93 IB4002 B FIE038 1 987.078 988.96 987.26 988.96 Uh well - IB4002 D MIO091 3 987.191 988.445 987.61 988.445 So - IB4002 C FIO093 2 987.28 993.138 988.04 993.138 And you , so there is no view . 989.75 992.35 IB4002 B FIE038 1 992.368 994.051 992.5 994.01 Pirette is having quite a - IB4002 B FIE038 1 994.86 1008.002 995.05 1007.69 unadvantaged situation , because there are Marianne and Bruno who are having uh reception hours . so it's gonna be a qui yeah , so it's quite a 996.86 1004.4 1006.58 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1002.192 1004.464 1002.28 1004.464 Yeah , but if you put 1003.33 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1003.376 1006.997 1003.84 1006.7 And Pirette as well . We uh all have uh reception hours . 1004.96 1006.7 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1009.077 1011.459 1009.44 1011.13 traffic there I would say . 1011.13 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1009.552 1011.856 1009.97 1011.7 Yeah . 1011.7 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1011.333 1012.224 1011.44 1012.16 So what if we - IB4002 D MIO091 3 1013.456 1015.171 1013.48 1015.01 switch no . 1015.01 IB4002 A MIO092 0 1016.176 1023.077 1016.31 1023.077 Well , will there be wireless in the building ? I mean , if there are reception hours , so somebody could move to the reading room , and have people 1016.59 1017.99 1018.22 1019.46 1021.52 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1021.907 1022.345 1021.93 1022.16 Yeah . 1022.16 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1023.088 1024.741 1023.11 1024.52 You have to have a computer with wireless . 1024.52 IB4002 A MIO092 0 1026.019 1028.948 1026.11 1028.9 Well isn't this the case ? Doesn't everybody has one ? No ? 1027.15 1028.43 1028.9 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1027.872 1039.936 1028.22 1039.9 No . Well , most of us first of all have desktop computers . pick up your desktop and plus you can't assume that you can just use the reading room for reception hours . 1028.45 1028.92 1031.95 1039.9 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1028.297 1028.895 1028.297 1028.895 . 1028.895 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1028.363 1029.002 1028.43 1028.84 No . 1028.84 IB4002 A MIO092 0 1031.027 1032.72 1031.027 1032.72 . 1032.72 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1031.511 1035.433 1031.511 1035.433 So well , of course , if they put uh 1032.16 1034.88 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1033.786 1036.198 1034.01 1036.06 You can move with your desktop , yeah . 1035.76 1036.06 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1040.624 1040.96 1040.68 1040.91 No . 1040.91 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1041.616 1044.725 1041.64 1044.64 Right . Like if people are actually using it as a reading room . 1041.84 1044.64 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1043.615 1047.936 1043.69 1047.936 The aim having a room room for reading or - IB4002 C FIO093 2 1043.633 1044.542 1043.78 1043.88 Yeah . 1043.88 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1046.133 1046.907 1046.17 1046.47 Yeah . 1046.47 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1049.702 1050.342 1049.702 1049.702 . 1049.702 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1051.456 1053.136 1051.56 1053.1 Can we say we're gonna move Gisella here ? 1053.1 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1054.016 1055.76 1054.04 1055.49 Yeah , okay . 1054.36 1055.49 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1054.353 1054.723 1054.4 1054.65 Yeah . 1054.65 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1055.296 1056.048 1055.63 1055.83 And then - IB4002 D MIO091 3 1057.344 1064.42 1057.36 1064.35 I think that gives us a little bit more flexibility to play with moving people around . Goes here . 1063.89 1064.35 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1059.584 1060.001 1059.7 1059.95 Yeah . 1059.95 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1060.512 1066.25 1060.512 1066.25 Okay , can we say that David uh is yeah . Instead of 1061.88 1065.21 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1067.328 1070.548 1067.35 1070.548 You were the first one on the list , but if you wanna remove someone else 1068.69 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1068.587 1073.44 1068.79 1073.38 Okay , but okay . No , because I was thinking of we can um 1069.28 1070.5 1070.69 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1074.261 1077.486 1074.45 1077.486 having these two office which are near to the lift - IB4002 C FIO093 2 1077.809 1081.326 1077.93 1081.13 Keep this office for reception people . 1081.13 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1081.73 1094.629 1081.73 1094.629 If I can con we are Pirette , the two Marianne and I , are receivi and Maggie and Susan are receiving a lot of student . So we 1086.66 1087.89 1093.44 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1082.341 1085.2 1082.341 1085.2 people . 1085.15 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1083.14 1083.776 1083.4 1083.66 Yeah . 1083.66 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1090.942 1106.749 1091.02 1106.749 Mm-hmm . So what if we put you with yeah . Will you have . Okay , so 1092.96 1096.63 1101.42 1102.26 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1095.024 1098.301 1095.15 1098.15 With the Finnish for example , if you want me . 1096.94 1098.15 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1097.608 1111.113 1097.608 1111.113 Well , you can you als already speak quite well Finnish , so we might get along , yeah . Yes , I will . 1099.39 1102.3 1104.06 1105.67 1106.17 1110.58 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1102.794 1107.47 1103.01 1106.57 Yeah , so that's ki yeah , yeah , okay . Lopeta . 1103.13 1103.97 1104.87 1106.08 1106.57 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1110.8 1112.555 1110.82 1112.555 I'm just putting Yalina in so we don't - IB4002 C FIO093 2 1111.615 1116.61 1111.79 1116.52 Yeah , yeah . Uh that's nice to have a corner a student , I mean , a student area . 1112.03 1112.21 1114.95 1115.43 1116.52 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1117.693 1120.288 1117.693 1120.25 . It's easy for them to 1117.693 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1117.552 1125.535 1118.08 1125.5 You know what I mean . Yeah , to find us and it's also quite noisy when you have this kind of 1120.6 1120.99 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1118.864 1119.47 1118.92 1119.27 Yeah . 1119.27 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1121.36 1122.928 1121.8 1122.85 find the people . 1122.85 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1124.359 1124.959 1124.47 1124.71 Mm-hmm . 1124.71 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1126.833 1132.726 1126.93 1132.726 parade of student before the exams . So if you work with me and you have this 1130.07 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1128.176 1129.044 1128.35 1128.93 Yeah . 1128.93 IB4002 A MIO092 0 1129.744 1130.224 1129.81 1129.92 Mm . 1129.92 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1131.716 1132.57 1131.74 1132.35 Mm-hmm . 1132.35 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1139.2 1140.42 1139.22 1140.25 It only goes on Yalina . 1140.25 IB4002 A MIO092 0 1142.127 1145.392 1142.22 1145.36 No . Hmm ? I have no problem with that . 1142.38 1142.47 1145.36 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1142.224 1143.47 1142.224 1143.29 agree with that ? 1143.29 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1142.249 1143.881 1142.31 1143.77 Or do you wanna go somewhere else ? 1143.77 IB4002 A MIO092 0 1146.912 1147.52 1146.97 1147.47 Um . 1147.47 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1150.318 1152.237 1150.41 1152.237 So and the photocopier is still - IB4002 D MIO091 3 1152.736 1153.529 1152.91 1153.45 Here . 1153.45 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1152.892 1153.538 1153.09 1153.45 Yeah . 1153.45 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1153.321 1156.587 1153.42 1156.587 Yeah , we have to from the other side of the 1153.74 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1157.227 1158.592 1157.37 1158.56 But well . 1158.56 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1158.163 1159.308 1158.23 1159.09 You just don't photocopy . 1159.09 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1159.35 1160.005 1159.54 1159.69 Yeah . 1159.69 IB4002 A MIO092 0 1161.888 1162.912 1161.93 1162.66 Yeah , who does anyway ? 1162.11 1162.66 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1164.672 1169.003 1164.69 1169.003 Yeah , the people having students . 1164.81 1168.72 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1166.816 1167.798 1166.91 1167.15 Yeah . 1167.15 IB4002 A MIO092 0 1169.158 1172.096 1169.55 1171.95 So maybe you and Bruno should take this office . 1171.95 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1173.424 1176.336 1173.48 1176.336 No , but it's too far from 1173.71 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1175.545 1176.925 1175.63 1176.62 Well you have the other - IB4002 C FIO093 2 1177.472 1177.94 1177.5 1177.81 Yeah . 1177.81 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1178.71 1179.451 1178.85 1179.09 lift . 1179.09 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1181.012 1181.811 1181.19 1181.65 Okay . 1181.65 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1183.813 1185.493 1183.99 1185.13 Yeah , if we change the 1184.24 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1185.107 1186.016 1185.28 1185.8 The switch ? 1185.8 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1186.23 1187.584 1186.56 1187.47 three people , 1187.47 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1187.974 1190.581 1188.3 1190.35 Pirette , Marianne , David David 1188.69 1189.54 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1192.32 1193.26 1192.35 1193.12 With here ? 1193.12 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1192.67 1194.464 1192.67 1194.464 with here and uh - IB4002 C FIO093 2 1196.416 1196.736 1196.44 1196.69 Yeah . 1196.69 IB4002 A MIO092 0 1197.696 1198.672 1197.72 1198.61 Yeah , that's a good idea . 1197.84 1198.61 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1202.176 1204.208 1202.21 1204.06 That's quite good . And then yeah . 1203.39 1204.06 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1202.149 1204.592 1202.21 1204.592 So like that and then move you to - IB4002 C FIO093 2 1205.589 1211.899 1205.89 1211.79 So we have a three windows' room . With view everywhere . Aha . 1208.09 1211.11 1211.79 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1207.565 1211.568 1207.65 1211.568 Yeah . We got it . 1208.96 1211.4 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1211.671 1215.359 1211.671 1215.21 That's what the plan was . From the beginning . 1213.97 1215.21 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1212.879 1217.564 1212.92 1216.59 W with the mount ah my mountains , yes I got the mountains . 1214.07 1216.59 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1214.311 1215.477 1214.58 1214.98 Yeah . 1214.98 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1216.657 1220.896 1216.71 1220.896 Do you get the photocopying noise . Now we are all gonna come photocopy just to annoy you . 1217.98 1220.33 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1219.8 1221.333 1219.8 1221.26 We close the door . 1221.26 IB4002 A MIO092 0 1219.856 1224.352 1220.1 1224.352 And it's not very healthy either , yeah . 1223.7 1224.07 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1222.112 1225.424 1222.112 1225.39 And bathrooms are nearby , yeah . 1225.3 1225.39 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1226.132 1227.518 1226.37 1227.518 Yeah and - IB4002 D MIO091 3 1230.633 1231.556 1231.06 1231.44 Okay . 1231.44 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1236.407 1237.922 1236.45 1237.71 I think that's quite nice . 1237.71 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1240.043 1242.297 1240.16 1242.19 Or did was the id - IB4002 D MIO091 3 1243.672 1246.163 1243.98 1245.92 I should start start making full sentences . 1245.92 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1246.751 1247.888 1246.87 1247.888 What about - IB4002 D MIO091 3 1250.4 1257.501 1250.44 1257.42 I was thinking about moving Pierrette and Marianne into a two person office rather than a three person office . 1257.42 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1257.84 1260.729 1258.03 1260.729 And then ? And put David 1259.36 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1258.722 1260.575 1259.83 1260.575 But - IB4002 D MIO091 3 1261.171 1263.09 1261.34 1262.77 With Andrei and Nancy , for example . 1262.3 1262.77 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1263.664 1266.88 1263.69 1266.78 In a two person office ? And why ? 1266.29 1266.78 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1264.673 1270.733 1264.79 1270.733 No , in a three person office . Because if they have reception 1264.95 1266.28 IB4002 A MIO092 0 1267.776 1269.097 1267.776 1269.097 . 1269.097 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1272.181 1273.629 1272.23 1273.29 I know , I thought you were saying that 1272.49 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1274.32 1276.876 1274.34 1276.7 Pierrette should have a smaller office , 1276.7 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1277.792 1283.509 1277.81 1283.45 or be in a smaller office , because of reception or something , or did I just completely misunderstand ? 1278.87 1280.52 1283.45 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1283.088 1295.13 1284.3 1295.03 No , no , the reason to put Pirette and Marianne Marianne and I together is because of the noise we make by receiving students . 1284.42 1284.67 1295.03 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1293.172 1293.98 1293.23 1293.89 Okay . 1293.89 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1295.856 1301.744 1296.0 1301.68 And then the reason to put David in this office it's because yeah , it's fifty per cent in a three 1299.11 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1298.356 1300.225 1298.4 1299.87 Is because he's fifty per cent , okay . 1299.68 1299.87 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1299.177 1300.496 1299.2 1300.39 Fifty per cent , yeah . 1300.29 1300.39 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1301.912 1303.743 1302.31 1303.4 Okay , that works . 1302.72 1303.4 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1302.914 1303.759 1303.18 1303.42 um - IB4002 C FIO093 2 1304.566 1305.748 1304.79 1305.4 place office . 1305.4 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1307.456 1308.408 1307.48 1308.29 Um . 1308.29 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1316.748 1318.192 1316.9 1318.14 That sounds nice , no ? 1317.93 1318.14 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1318.704 1319.878 1318.72 1319.35 Yeah , looks good . 1318.83 1319.35 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1321.152 1321.525 1321.17 1321.46 Mm-hmm . 1321.46 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1324.976 1334.994 1325.08 1334.994 And I think we do have the best office uh . It's a kind of dictatorship decision , but we are here to make a decision , so 1327.62 1331.54 1334.46 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1326.95 1329.472 1327.17 1329.39 Yeah , I think too . I'm quite happy with it . 1327.39 1328.21 1329.39 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1337.264 1340.672 1337.29 1340.52 And Agnes , you're gonna sell this to the administrator ? 1337.93 1340.52 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1341.136 1341.558 1341.19 1341.46 Yeah . 1341.46 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1340.879 1343.404 1341.54 1343.26 I'm going to try . Yes . 1342.74 1343.26 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1343.204 1344.48 1343.29 1344.41 Yeah . So ? 1344.05 1344.41 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1345.357 1347.68 1345.48 1347.27 'Kay , what arguments do I need ? 1345.94 1347.27 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1349.424 1356.0 1349.44 1355.8 Well , we have the the group and students here . Although you still have Susan and Maggie over here . 1349.61 1353.87 1355.8 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1350.288 1356.784 1350.34 1356.62 The argument of student . Yeah . You can also s oh , yeah . 1352.04 1353.33 1356.33 1356.62 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1356.458 1363.652 1357.03 1363.27 Yeah , but it's quite logical to have the for the professors one person rooms , I think . 1357.15 1362.6 1363.27 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1359.472 1360.274 1359.81 1359.92 Yeah . 1359.92 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1360.354 1361.006 1360.61 1360.92 Yeah . 1360.92 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1362.83 1363.328 1362.88 1363.09 Yeah . 1363.09 IB4002 A MIO092 0 1376.96 1377.616 1377.01 1377.34 Mm . 1377.34 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1378.607 1381.57 1378.77 1381.45 So it is sort of a well , no , it's not a project split . 1380.21 1380.38 1381.45 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1382.689 1383.671 1382.689 1383.671 is - IB4002 D MIO091 3 1382.976 1385.264 1383.0 1385.1 It's weird , 'cause it kind of is and kind of isn't . 1383.49 1385.1 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1387.664 1396.912 1387.7 1396.88 Because Maria and Martin and I work all work on the same project , and then Andrei and Nancy work on the same project , and Pierrette n yeah . 1390.45 1395.22 1396.88 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1390.384 1390.859 1390.46 1390.71 Yeah . 1390.71 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1394.112 1397.196 1394.14 1397.196 Yeah , but we all work on different projects so we can't 1394.46 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1402.16 1406.723 1402.18 1406.64 What is the little square d you put oh , a printer ? And the photocopier ? Okay . 1404.3 1405.1 1406.34 1406.64 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1405.005 1406.544 1405.1 1406.34 And yeah . 1406.34 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1405.37 1406.936 1405.39 1406.6 For the yeah . 1406.6 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1418.44 1419.52 1418.63 1419.43 That's quite fine . 1419.43 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1419.719 1423.639 1419.92 1423.639 Okay , let me just write down the arguments for why um 1420.41 IB4002 A MIO092 0 1424.005 1430.944 1424.005 1430.72 suggestion , if possible , we could move me and Yalina to the office where Andrei and Nancy are now . 1426.22 1426.97 1430.72 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1423.888 1425.366 1424.04 1425.27 Student reception . 1425.27 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1426.227 1426.992 1426.49 1426.88 Mm-hmm . 1426.88 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1430.643 1432.73 1430.643 1432.53 You just want a bigger window . 1432.53 IB4002 A MIO092 0 1432.912 1436.688 1432.95 1436.688 No , I I just it's just more convenient if I'm closer with my 1433.25 IB4002 A MIO092 0 1438.075 1440.095 1438.16 1439.95 The partners of my project . 1439.95 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1438.16 1438.608 1438.2 1438.55 You . 1438.55 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1440.013 1441.328 1440.09 1440.61 Okay . 1440.61 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1440.958 1445.52 1441.35 1445.52 We can skive as you said . 1445.06 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1450.16 1451.455 1450.24 1451.05 No yeah , that's fine . 1450.74 1451.05 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1451.078 1452.201 1451.52 1452.12 Happy ? 1452.12 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1457.472 1462.267 1457.67 1461.95 So the arguments are uh student reception - IB4002 B FIE038 1 1458.312 1459.569 1458.56 1459.34 Yeah . 1459.34 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1464.048 1465.095 1464.08 1464.71 in one corner . 1464.71 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1477.568 1479.173 1477.61 1479.11 That's noise reduction . 1479.11 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1479.056 1479.344 1479.16 1479.31 Yeah . 1479.31 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1481.28 1482.593 1481.33 1482.45 The fifty per cent - IB4002 C FIO093 2 1483.346 1484.275 1483.38 1484.1 staff - IB4002 C FIO093 2 1485.296 1486.234 1485.34 1485.97 in the three - IB4002 B FIE038 1 1486.931 1489.194 1487.01 1488.79 Person rooms . Mm-hmm . 1487.7 1488.79 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1487.337 1488.321 1487.55 1488.22 person room . 1488.22 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1500.288 1503.925 1500.31 1503.69 And the projects they're they are quite well grouped actually now . 1503.69 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1499.734 1500.815 1500.46 1500.78 Okay . 1500.78 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1504.007 1505.89 1504.27 1505.7 Yeah . Yeah . 1505.51 1505.7 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1504.06 1505.168 1504.29 1505.12 Now they are , yeah . 1504.84 1505.12 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1506.992 1513.008 1507.01 1512.83 And um the two mm and the two professor is one single . 1512.83 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1508.184 1510.406 1508.27 1510.2 Except for David , but we can't do anything about that . 1509.01 1510.2 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1519.072 1521.558 1519.09 1521.24 And well Gisella she is kind of - IB4002 B FIE038 1 1522.703 1523.915 1522.91 1523.6 in the middle . 1523.6 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1523.903 1524.288 1524.0 1524.25 Yeah . 1524.25 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1525.149 1526.058 1525.32 1525.98 Centred . 1525.98 IB4002 A MIO092 0 1525.614 1528.038 1525.67 1527.79 She's the heart of the . 1527.79 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1526.832 1530.934 1526.85 1530.87 Yeah , department . 1530.17 1530.87 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1529.829 1544.251 1529.88 1543.88 And since you nee you will meet the administrator , can we ask for a coffee machine somewhere . Yeah , or in that hall . I mean , the sixth floor , there is no coffee machine on the sixth floor . 1533.21 1539.46 1539.75 1540.95 1541.21 1541.95 1543.88 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1537.392 1539.208 1537.42 1538.92 In the reading room , that would be good . 1538.29 1538.92 IB4002 A MIO092 0 1541.674 1545.987 1541.97 1545.987 It's not kitchen . 1545.31 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1542.704 1545.136 1542.704 1545.136 Oh it's not , ah it's 1544.88 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1545.203 1546.179 1545.28 1546.03 You mean like - IB4002 D MIO091 3 1547.168 1550.32 1547.19 1550.08 a little machine or a vending machine ? 1550.08 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1547.744 1550.566 1548.08 1550.31 No no , um a vending machine . 1548.38 1550.31 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1550.666 1551.217 1550.88 1551.14 'Kay . 1551.14 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1551.68 1554.314 1551.7 1554.314 The little machine , I think , would be harder to sell , but 1552.38 1552.67 1553.99 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1555.12 1556.987 1555.12 1555.12 . 1555.12 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1556.909 1558.126 1557.08 1557.7 Yeah but try . 1557.7 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1558.251 1559.081 1558.45 1558.65 I will . 1558.65 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1559.28 1560.144 1559.32 1559.92 Yeah , good coffee . 1559.47 1559.92 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1561.2 1564.977 1561.22 1564.84 Wi with good coffee . Italian one , please . 1562.19 1564.07 1564.84 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1562.327 1571.328 1562.327 1571.328 Nespresso ? 1570.76 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1562.176 1567.846 1563.13 1567.78 Yeah . Quite strong , strong good coffee . 1564.66 1566.74 1567.78 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1568.784 1569.632 1568.85 1569.53 Yeah . 1569.53 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1571.479 1572.56 1571.62 1572.29 And herb tea . 1572.29 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1572.768 1574.079 1572.82 1574.079 Uh yeah . 1573.94 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1572.839 1577.808 1573.11 1577.72 With the good strong coffee . What did you say , hot tea ? 1574.32 1577.21 1577.72 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1573.842 1575.376 1574.11 1575.26 For the afternoon . 1575.26 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1575.152 1575.624 1575.19 1575.54 Yeah . 1575.54 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1577.664 1578.528 1577.88 1578.45 H herb tea . 1578.45 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1579.616 1580.699 1579.69 1580.55 Oh , herb tea . 1579.88 1580.55 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1579.836 1580.97 1579.836 1580.97 . 1580.97 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1579.56 1583.218 1579.86 1583.06 For the afternoon , yeah . Because with strong coffee I don't t sleep . 1580.68 1581.2 1583.06 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1585.28 1590.144 1585.33 1589.84 If you late uh you work late , yeah . And you drink uh coffee , yeah . 1587.23 1588.17 1589.41 1589.84 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1586.016 1586.742 1586.25 1586.39 Yeah . 1586.39 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1589.072 1590.519 1589.09 1590.28 Yeah yeah . Mm . 1590.23 1590.28 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1594.272 1597.134 1594.4 1597.03 And do we know if there will be air conditioning ? 1597.03 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1598.91 1602.35 1599.44 1602.27 Is there actually a smoking uh area somewhere ? 1602.27 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1603.472 1604.608 1603.49 1604.54 Nope . Non-smoking building . 1603.6 1604.54 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1602.981 1604.548 1603.56 1604.548 Not for me but - IB4002 B FIE038 1 1605.815 1616.432 1605.815 1616.4 but we okay . We have the terrace still on the sixth floor or uh how how . No . Not at all . They have to go down , yeah . 1607.42 1613.05 1613.63 1613.99 1615.86 1616.4 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1609.648 1613.094 1609.69 1612.84 No no no , there is no terrace on that building . 1611.3 1612.84 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1612.768 1615.424 1613.1 1615.424 No , they'll have to go down . 1613.85 1615.33 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1617.85 1621.419 1617.97 1621.14 So , no we're not gonna change the plan only for the smokers . 1618.25 1621.14 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1621.337 1621.909 1621.337 1621.337 . 1621.337 IB4002 A MIO092 0 1621.456 1625.431 1621.51 1624.88 Well it's it's ideal for Nancy , she is just very close to the lifts . 1623.01 1624.88 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1622.816 1623.904 1622.92 1623.81 Yeah , yeah . 1623.58 1623.81 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1625.023 1628.188 1625.15 1627.99 Exactly . As well . 1627.24 1627.99 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1625.2 1628.138 1625.35 1628.1 And Susan , Maggie as well . 1626.1 1628.1 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1625.199 1628.373 1625.54 1628.04 And Susan Maggie close enough , yeah . 1627.8 1628.04 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1632.817 1634.031 1632.92 1633.86 I think it's fine . 1633.86 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1635.519 1636.522 1635.83 1636.01 Okay . 1636.01 IB4002 A MIO092 0 1646.183 1647.26 1646.29 1646.96 Excellent , yeah . 1646.86 1646.96 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1647.316 1651.952 1647.8 1651.77 Yeah , I think it's okay . Let's see what the the other ones say . 1648.01 1649.24 1651.77 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1648.494 1652.14 1648.51 1651.95 Okay . Is everyone happy with that ? 1649.39 1651.95 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1654.48 1655.976 1654.5 1655.86 Yeah , I think so . 1654.9 1655.86 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1659.744 1662.502 1659.76 1662.15 Just checking if actually have everyone , but I think we do . 1661.26 1662.15 IB4002 A MIO092 0 1663.328 1665.191 1663.35 1664.98 So when exactly are we supposed to move ? 1664.98 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1666.368 1670.016 1666.4 1669.85 In was it what did I say , three weeks . 1668.7 1669.85 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1667.795 1669.628 1668.61 1669.48 Three weeks . 1669.48 IB4002 A MIO092 0 1669.644 1678.496 1669.79 1678.41 Three weeks . So they've set up everything , wiring , uh internet , or what's the sta the status right now ? 1671.04 1673.18 1674.13 1676.33 1678.41 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1677.296 1688.838 1677.32 1688.74 As far as I know , yeah . As far as I know basically we pack up one day , the movers come , take all our stuff , put into the red boxes . So when you get there the next day , all your stuff is already in your office . 1678.66 1679.19 1681.33 1682.18 1683.12 1684.77 1686.12 1688.74 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1682.384 1682.896 1682.66 1682.81 Mm . 1682.81 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1688.048 1688.656 1688.12 1688.43 Wow . 1688.43 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1689.456 1693.392 1689.48 1693.36 And all the I_P_s and everything is set up . They're trying . 1692.78 1693.36 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1690.0 1691.792 1690.05 1691.68 That's very professional yeah . 1691.68 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1693.809 1694.336 1693.94 1694.29 Hmm . 1694.29 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1694.423 1698.429 1694.55 1698.22 So , we'll see . Make sure you label your boxes properly . 1695.79 1696.47 1698.22 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1696.435 1697.441 1696.47 1697.34 Okay . 1697.34 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1701.008 1703.085 1701.06 1703.085 Um especially the Marianne's . 1702.89 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1704.608 1711.793 1704.64 1711.67 My boxes . Ah . Yeah . . 1709.97 1711.28 1711.67 1711.67 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1704.72 1705.639 1704.91 1705.49 Uh can - IB4002 D MIO091 3 1706.086 1709.284 1706.24 1709.23 Yeah , so they won't confuse it get confused with the other Marianne's boxes . 1706.46 1709.23 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1709.122 1714.998 1709.24 1714.76 can we think of putting a white board somewhere in the hall ? For general information ? 1713.22 1714.76 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1714.974 1717.018 1715.52 1716.75 Uh we can try . 1716.75 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1717.59 1719.003 1717.72 1718.74 That might be a good idea . 1718.74 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1717.824 1718.885 1717.84 1718.74 I can ask them . 1718.74 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1718.702 1719.264 1718.73 1719.23 Yeah . 1719.23 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1722.175 1724.131 1722.3 1723.9 Well , mai mailing lists . 1722.59 1723.9 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1724.985 1728.529 1725.05 1728.49 Of course , you can mail em yeah , if you have something . 1725.47 1726.8 1728.49 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1727.456 1728.672 1727.48 1728.672 But that's not really - IB4002 C FIO093 2 1727.472 1736.592 1728.16 1736.592 Yeah , but I mean you have a nice poster of the next conference , you don't put it you know a a big board with 1728.48 1731.5 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1731.824 1736.904 1731.94 1736.67 Ah okay , yeah a posters , okay . That's kind of thing . Yeah . Yes , . 1732.54 1733.41 1734.17 1735.58 1736.11 1736.67 1736.67 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1738.848 1740.501 1738.87 1740.34 Um where ? 1740.34 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1741.578 1744.607 1741.64 1744.607 Like along Gisella's - IB4002 C FIO093 2 1742.523 1744.547 1742.62 1744.23 Along one of the wall , yeah . 1743.84 1744.23 IB4002 A MIO092 0 1743.702 1744.308 1744.08 1744.21 S - IB4002 B FIE038 1 1746.668 1748.924 1746.85 1748.924 Or in front of the reading room or - IB4002 A MIO092 0 1750.24 1756.928 1750.39 1756.85 Well there are lots of walls we can put posters on . 1756.85 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1750.258 1750.672 1750.4 1750.59 Yeah . 1750.59 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1751.253 1752.074 1751.59 1751.68 Yeah . 1751.68 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1752.992 1753.499 1753.31 1753.4 Yeah . 1753.4 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1755.114 1755.952 1755.31 1755.952 Okay , so 1755.59 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1757.056 1759.952 1757.08 1759.78 Along that bottom hallway somewhere . 1759.78 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1758.656 1759.888 1759.26 1759.81 Mm yeah , . 1759.81 1759.81 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1759.127 1759.93 1759.36 1759.82 Mm . 1759.82 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1770.517 1771.12 1770.63 1771.06 Okay . 1771.06 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1773.237 1775.021 1773.38 1774.78 Anything else I need to ask them ? 1774.78 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1780.496 1780.752 1780.496 1780.752 . 1780.752 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1781.92 1783.234 1782.0 1782.94 No more special - IB4002 B FIE038 1 1784.276 1785.758 1784.276 1785.49 wishes . 1785.49 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1786.451 1787.229 1786.63 1786.95 'Kay . 1786.95 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1789.626 1793.84 1789.93 1793.84 I don't actually we may need to sort out - IB4002 C FIO093 2 1795.941 1796.416 1796.05 1796.29 Ooh . 1796.29 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1797.824 1801.568 1797.85 1801.568 That's not healthy . Um who 1800.0 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1803.12 1809.935 1803.15 1809.87 I don't know if we need to sort out who sits where , 'cause if they're gonna plug everything and set everything up . 1805.35 1809.87 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1809.248 1813.218 1809.8 1812.86 I think it's everybody's responsibility to find - IB4002 D MIO091 3 1813.299 1814.046 1813.46 1813.67 Yeah . 1813.67 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1813.756 1822.512 1814.02 1822.512 if they prefer to be in front of , back to window or whatever . I mean , if we start doing that not happy 1816.62 1818.22 1820.4 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1817.926 1818.747 1818.18 1818.45 Yeah . 1818.45 IB4002 B FIE038 1 1822.684 1825.851 1822.684 1825.76 yeah , you know . 1824.48 1825.76 IB4002 A MIO092 0 1822.72 1825.549 1822.92 1825.45 Yeah , we don't want to micro manage things , yeah . 1823.81 1825.36 1825.45 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1823.776 1826.88 1823.88 1826.88 We are all adults , so I think we can all speak and 1824.88 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1823.869 1824.582 1824.07 1824.17 Yeah . 1824.17 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1825.443 1826.802 1825.49 1826.57 Yeah , no , no . Yeah . 1825.72 1825.89 1826.19 1826.57 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1827.205 1834.193 1827.205 1833.98 I just can't remember whether they're actually gonna set everything up for us or not , but we can change it I guess . 1832.44 1833.98 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1829.808 1830.861 1829.98 1830.61 Uh okay . 1830.61 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1832.746 1834.0 1832.96 1833.9 I hope , yeah . 1833.63 1833.9 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1837.756 1838.224 1838.0 1838.18 Okay . 1838.18 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1838.607 1839.12 1838.93 1839.08 Okay . 1839.08 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1839.536 1842.815 1839.56 1842.04 That's it then . save this . 1840.72 1842.04 IB4002 A MIO092 0 1847.532 1849.68 1847.89 1849.48 Can you mail a copy of that to everybody ? 1849.48 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1850.133 1850.775 1850.21 1850.35 Yep . 1850.35 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1851.68 1853.786 1851.71 1853.58 Not right now , 'cause I'm not connected to the internet . 1852.18 1853.58 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1854.196 1854.988 1854.196 1858.986 . 1858.986 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1857.632 1858.224 1857.75 1858.19 But I will . 1858.19 IB4002 C FIO093 2 1858.986 1859.84 1858.986 1859.73 Okay . 1859.73 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1861.216 1861.664 1861.34 1861.52 Okay . 1861.52 IB4002 D MIO091 3 1862.136 1863.276 1862.34 1863.17 Good , we're done then . 1862.63 1863.17 IB4003 D MIO039 3 45.392 45.872 45.41 45.71 Okay . 45.71 IB4003 C FIE037 2 48.583 49.616 48.68 49.616 And don't forget the - IB4003 D MIO039 3 50.176 50.544 50.32 50.51 Oh yeah . 50.51 IB4003 A MIO036 0 54.728 75.6 54.77 75.56 Um , so hi everyone . Thanks for coming to this meeting . Um well as you all know the topic of this morning's meeting is uh the fact that we're moving and we are going to get more space . So that's a very good piece of news . Uh but we also have to find out how we use this space . 55.65 56.68 59.36 69.19 71.99 75.56 IB4003 A MIO036 0 76.656 102.144 76.68 101.55 So um if you want , I'll just give a brief overview of what's happening and then we can uh talk about , well , arranging these new uh the new office space . So um in case you haven't seen the the documents uh let me just uh show you very briefly the the configuration of the the space . 78.6 85.55 85.75 89.99 101.55 IB4003 A MIO036 0 103.92 173.856 103.99 173.59 So um well , there is nothing much to say . Well you know how many of us are are present and you know that we are um a bit tight actually in our present location . Uh that's why actually the university finally um allocated us this uh this part of uh the Unimail building . So it's at the sixth floor . And it's uh sort of contiguous rooms as you you can all see from uh from here . Um so the the the one P_ , two P_ , three P_ means the the number of persons . As you can see we have several corridor um with a number of uh of uh of rooms , of one person rooms , two person room and and three person rooms . Um actually I think Agnes did this nice drawing so she even put the the view , so we have the old town on one side , and the mountains on the other two sides . Uh we have some bathrooms for us . Uh and a courtyard which actually means a sort of uh shaft , because uh the court is uh down at uh the first floor . 106.05 107.5 115.54 124.09 126.38 132.33 135.41 135.94 138.82 147.27 148.5 152.01 158.1 160.0 162.95 165.96 169.53 173.59 IB4003 D MIO039 3 172.928 188.548 172.96 188.45 Andre , just , yeah , just a a clarification question , are they number of people per room indicated strict , or can we play around with ? I mean if there are two people , is it really that you can't put three or uh two and a half or uh how how was it calculated ? 173.19 173.51 173.72 175.45 178.91 180.29 182.35 188.45 IB4003 A MIO036 0 187.44 284.928 187.49 284.44 Well , it's a bit difficult to say , because um in fact we have some constraints in terms of furniture . Uh they are here . So um well , your your person Your your question actually is answered maybe by the third item . So each person should get um , well , it's a sort of desk , it's made of two pieces and it looks like a corner . With , of course , a chair . Uh a filing cabinet that goes under the desk uh and , well , we can put hanging shelves over the the desks . So I'm not really sure it's possible to get three um three desks in a two person office . But um we could try . What's What should be said here , I don't know if , well , you I I will maybe distribute now documents if you don't have them . Maybe it's easier . Do you need something , Martin ? Um , I can keep this for you . Uh so it's it's Yeah , you have a copy , Susan . You too David , I think . So in fact there are more places than people , so we won't be that constrained . Uh as you know some of us and some of you here actually , Martin and David are part-time . So it it's for the moment quite comfortable . Normally we should even get an extra uh an extra place for , you know , temporary people coming to work on uh on projects . Uh yeah , I uh yeah , I counted so we have um fifteen pers physical persons and about uh sixteen , I think , uh persons oh , actually , eighteen persons in the offices . 188.02 189.45 194.02 195.4 196.9 201.57 204.65 204.88 205.99 208.63 208.79 209.23 210.15 214.94 215.1 218.79 225.94 228.41 230.19 231.06 231.99 236.78 237.77 238.45 239.45 240.46 242.28 243.86 244.57 245.17 245.99 248.02 250.29 252.62 256.07 258.34 261.15 265.49 265.81 269.6 270.08 270.85 279.78 280.53 281.78 282.2 284.44 IB4003 D MIO039 3 194.707 195.34 194.84 195.09 'Kay . 195.09 IB4003 D MIO039 3 227.15 227.688 227.38 227.58 Mm-hmm . 227.58 IB4003 D MIO039 3 239.28 240.24 239.3 240.21 I have everything . 240.21 IB4003 D MIO039 3 241.068 241.919 241.19 241.919 Okay , so 241.79 IB4003 C FIE037 2 242.992 244.624 243.01 244.43 I have a copy . Yeah . 243.58 244.43 IB4003 B MIO094 1 246.592 247.04 246.63 246.86 Mm-hmm . 246.86 IB4003 D MIO039 3 267.48 268.625 267.78 268.38 Are you sure of that ? 268.38 IB4003 D MIO039 3 276.576 276.88 276.66 276.83 Mm-hmm . 276.83 IB4003 C FIE037 2 281.544 282.173 281.97 282.173 Two - IB4003 C FIE037 2 283.623 287.981 283.99 287.95 Six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen . 287.95 IB4003 D MIO039 3 284.464 286.448 284.48 286.41 Yeah , but counting the rea the the reading room . 284.68 286.41 IB4003 A MIO036 0 286.592 301.2 286.98 301.15 Exactly , it so one of the issues uh here , it's probably not on the slides , is that we would like to have uh , unlike what had until now , a lounge or reading room uh in one of the the offices . So in one of the rooms . 287.48 289.91 291.78 293.82 295.33 299.92 301.15 IB4003 D MIO039 3 297.296 297.794 297.33 297.55 Mm-hmm . 297.55 IB4003 C FIE037 2 301.376 302.256 301.4 302.21 Do we really need that ? 302.21 IB4003 A MIO036 0 302.208 315.472 303.29 315.33 Um , I think quite a lot of people e expressed the need for that . So if we could do it , then I think it would be much nicer . Um let me also uh st say something Yep . 304.32 307.26 309.55 311.67 315.33 IB4003 D MIO039 3 313.742 323.245 313.89 323.04 And Susan , don't forget the time we spend to for discussions about that room , so you should be able to valorize this if possible . 314.71 319.55 323.04 IB4003 C FIE037 2 322.576 323.152 322.6 322.91 Okay . 322.91 IB4003 A MIO036 0 322.96 325.664 323.43 325.45 Yeah , I I think so . 323.75 325.45 IB4003 D MIO039 3 323.878 345.716 324.03 345.6 But I still agree with you that the b the we are not so we are not so large , as far as space is concerned . Uh because fifteen people to put in there eighteen positions , so uh to the best uh if you take uh two people room for the reading room , then you have uh sixteen places . Mm . 327.62 329.12 335.5 341.73 345.32 345.6 IB4003 C FIE037 2 328.352 328.827 328.41 328.77 Yeah . 328.77 IB4003 A MIO036 0 334.624 335.072 334.65 335.04 Mm-hmm . 335.04 IB4003 A MIO036 0 342.96 348.368 342.98 348.33 Well , sixteen slots for fifteen people . So it's still should be feasible . 343.23 346.36 348.33 IB4003 D MIO039 3 348.608 351.424 348.63 351.36 Yeah , that that also means that the growth will be zero . 348.74 351.36 IB4003 A MIO036 0 349.44 350.192 349.46 350.192 That's - IB4003 A MIO036 0 352.144 361.181 352.42 361.15 Yeah , I think that's quite important to manage some space . Maybe we can think of , yeah , some two or three , yeah , for visiting people . Correct . 352.61 355.26 356.92 357.2 359.0 359.21 360.66 361.15 IB4003 D MIO039 3 357.561 362.608 357.66 362.56 Visiting visiti visiting researchers , students coming for exchange students et cetera . 359.9 362.56 IB4003 C FIE037 2 362.144 362.673 362.16 362.47 Yeah . 362.47 IB4003 A MIO036 0 362.832 393.44 362.86 393.4 Mm-hmm . Okay , so let me finish with the the constraints which are almost done . So we also need to to find the a spot for the photocopier , the fax machine , and the printer . The fax , you know , is very small , but um the photocopier is quite huge , and the printer is uh well ab this size . Um okay , the offices comes with white boards . Not very uh very important . Uh the furniture that w each each person has and uh you have a list of people . 363.92 364.18 368.2 372.3 373.2 374.07 374.49 374.71 375.47 378.36 381.86 382.84 385.08 387.14 393.4 IB4003 A MIO036 0 394.704 433.854 394.73 433.78 So the thing uh you you ought to know is that we're not the only ones that w we're thin that that are thinking about uh for well , about putting people i in these rooms . Um there is another group that is also having discussions . So the idea is that today we'll just try to f start seeing the main constraints and then you have time to to go and think about it uh ask the people you know , your assistants , for instance , and at the next meeting we'll try to to come with one solution . Uh , the other group will also propose a solution and then there will be another negotiation . So w 403.32 405.71 409.32 421.67 422.48 423.55 427.99 428.53 433.08 IB4003 C FIE037 2 433.472 436.145 433.49 435.99 And if we don't get this space then what happens ? 435.99 IB4003 A MIO036 0 437.344 449.504 437.36 449.504 Uh if i if we don't get these ? Um , well basically they are promised to us so uh Do do you think there are chances that they take from us one of the rooms or uh 440.11 441.2 IB4003 C FIE037 2 439.065 439.92 439.12 439.89 These , yeah . 439.63 439.89 IB4003 D MIO039 3 441.081 442.899 441.22 442.8 We j we stay where we are . 442.8 IB4003 C FIE037 2 450.064 450.48 450.08 450.44 Okay . 450.44 IB4003 A MIO036 0 450.912 454.972 450.97 454.81 Yeah , I I I think it's uh Uh , yeah . 451.17 454.5 454.81 IB4003 D MIO039 3 453.536 456.94 453.56 456.84 No the the the chances might be that there are more people to put in that space . 456.84 IB4003 A MIO036 0 456.96 498.795 456.98 498.64 Yeah i yeah , that's one of the the problems . I think maybe we should take this into account and maybe think of some of the bigger rooms with four people , one being temporary or or part-time . Um okay , so maybe we could try to to see now what would be the main options . Say the general uh , well , arrangement options . Do you think that we should put people , say , according to projects for instance ? In in the table that um that we have , uh we also have the uh uh the p the main projects on which the people are working . So how Yeah . Mm-hmm . 457.86 459.32 465.33 468.3 470.58 476.79 479.12 479.38 480.73 483.59 484.25 486.71 490.08 495.69 498.36 498.64 IB4003 D MIO039 3 496.768 524.074 496.83 524.01 Andre , sorry for interrupting , but uh one again clarification question , what is the real margin of manoeuvre that we have for these discussions , because uh at least we are half per cent uh fifty per cent of from E_P_F_L_ and uh sometimes you have meetings where w y the the decision is already taken , so uh um you can spend quite a lot of time discussing things , so what what will be the impact of what we will come out come up with ? 497.05 497.98 500.47 503.9 514.03 518.22 524.01 IB4003 A MIO036 0 522.896 544.34 522.92 544.12 Oh , actually what is fixed is the n the number of rooms . This we cannot really change . I mean at least not us , it would be much more difficult to get another another room for instance . But what is absolutely n not fixed is the arrangement of the people in the rooms . So basically we are all the permutations are possible at the moment . 523.12 527.04 528.61 530.6 534.51 539.91 544.12 IB4003 D MIO039 3 539.764 541.39 539.91 541.34 So , another way of a 540.35 IB4003 D MIO039 3 543.776 555.152 543.8 555.12 Another way of asking the question , is there any other group already working on uh on the how this should be uh should be allocated ? Or are we the the one that is supposed to do the p the the p position for it ? 544.91 550.94 555.12 IB4003 A MIO036 0 551.744 552.286 551.81 552.286 Um - IB4003 A MIO036 0 555.291 570.304 555.41 570.304 Well , what we are looking for is a solution that suits everyone and that makes the maximum of people happy . So uh the other group is , uh I don't think we have to see them as competitors , but they are just trying to to find another local optimum . Or l uh 556.03 561.46 563.44 566.07 569.29 IB4003 D MIO039 3 569.183 572.56 569.44 572.56 But wha why why don't they have any representative here . I mean 571.79 IB4003 C FIE037 2 572.576 574.22 572.6 574.1 Yeah , why didn't we have a meeting together ? 572.78 574.1 IB4003 D MIO039 3 574.192 576.538 574.21 576.05 Yeah , why do we do it separately ? 574.86 576.05 IB4003 B MIO094 1 574.259 584.132 574.57 583.61 Uh , they have another group and then uh uh uh Andre and Agnes will discuss about it with . You are the rep representative of this group actually . 574.71 581.15 583.61 IB4003 A MIO036 0 574.61 575.457 574.9 575.457 Uh - IB4003 A MIO036 0 581.88 610.4 582.05 610.36 Yeah . Yeah uh uh we Yeah . I I think that's Yeah , there is no real competition between the two , but we'll just try to find at least two solutions and see how how close they are , actually . It's it's I think well the m the people who who decided this thought it was the best solution to , mm well , you know , find two two kinds of opinions . Yeah . Well , we could have been eight h sitting around here and and talking , but I think it's it's more difficult . 583.27 584.51 585.67 587.97 593.31 593.75 600.81 601.35 601.74 604.54 605.21 605.41 608.7 610.36 IB4003 D MIO039 3 604.751 605.256 604.91 605.11 Okay . 605.11 IB4003 D MIO039 3 610.656 627.792 610.7 627.74 No , but you know that that's a standard thing . It's Suppose that somebody for some strange reasons want to be in the corner and we don't know about that , we'll put them put her or him somewhere else , then we will do plenty of work for nothing , because we'll not have this constraint . We'll not be aware of this constraint . 610.8 612.19 618.86 621.9 624.87 626.45 627.74 IB4003 A MIO036 0 624.64 625.04 624.68 625.01 Mm-hmm . 625.01 IB4003 A MIO036 0 626.576 627.031 626.6 627.031 Well - IB4003 A MIO036 0 628.336 645.408 628.36 645.37 Exactly , I think So so today the goal is not to to find the solution today , but to set some constraints and then go and see the people and find out if they have any preferences . Obviously we won't be able to accommodate all the the preferences , but at least we'll find the most uh the most important ones . 628.8 632.03 638.83 642.08 645.37 IB4003 D MIO039 3 631.437 632.574 631.54 632.3 Oh , okay . 631.63 632.3 IB4003 D MIO039 3 633.68 634.021 633.72 633.92 Okay . 633.92 IB4003 C FIE037 2 645.568 655.792 645.59 655.72 Well , certainly we have to ask uh Pierrette and uh and Maggie , since they're not here , because they also have a lot of students that they have to see as we do , and so that's another consideration , too . 646.07 649.26 650.58 653.54 655.49 655.72 IB4003 A MIO036 0 646.299 647.599 646.75 647.599 P s I think - IB4003 A MIO036 0 650.752 652.192 650.77 652.11 Mm-hmm . 652.11 IB4003 D MIO039 3 651.329 651.777 651.41 651.71 Yeah . 651.71 IB4003 D MIO039 3 653.599 654.08 653.68 653.98 Yeah . 653.98 IB4003 A MIO036 0 656.059 725.592 656.52 725.44 Yeah , I think so that's one of the things I think we know that they have students , we don't know exactly if they prefer for instance to be alone , or to well , to be with their assistant , or even with another person working on the project . So that would have been maybe , yeah , another solution is to ask everyone to provide uh an arrangement , but uh I think that's a bit uh a bit hard then to to work out . Um so since all of you have a copy of the uh , well , of the drawing , I think for the next time , m maybe you could come with a concrete proposal with uh names on it . But let us try to see today whether we prefer to organise people , say , by projects or just professor and assistant . So what would be f , say , first your preferences , since Let's let's start with us , maybe today . Um what do you think about it ? Would you prefer to be alone , would you prefer to be with your assistant . You who are part-time , do you think you can come here on a very w well regular schedule or is it part-time , but variable during the week ? 656.77 660.39 663.67 665.37 666.88 670.48 672.47 672.62 677.0 681.89 685.96 686.17 686.86 689.36 695.02 700.66 700.86 703.65 705.13 705.46 706.79 708.67 709.83 711.79 713.19 715.6 717.19 723.41 725.44 IB4003 B MIO094 1 717.131 717.501 717.24 717.41 Hmm . 717.41 IB4003 B MIO094 1 727.008 743.36 727.03 743.33 Yeah uh , okay uh , me personally I would like to to to share the other peopl n uh the room with assistants as when you have problems of normal life , like uh the printer doesn't work , uh I don't want to ask this to my supervisor , so it's better to to be with a with an assistant to share the room . 727.75 728.62 735.21 737.77 739.89 743.33 IB4003 A MIO036 0 744.541 756.865 744.69 756.81 Uh-huh . And since you're coming on the uh half-time , do you think you will be able to group your presence here , say Monday , Tuesday and Wednesday morning , or is it going to be m much more random ? 745.76 750.13 752.61 753.23 754.67 756.81 IB4003 B MIO094 1 749.744 750.064 749.77 750.01 Mm-hmm . 750.01 IB4003 B MIO094 1 755.386 765.019 755.46 764.61 What uh I don't think it's a good idea to share uh t to ha to share the same desk . Uh I still would like to have my drawers and these things . 761.51 764.61 IB4003 A MIO036 0 760.784 761.232 760.8 761.2 Okay . 761.2 IB4003 A MIO036 0 765.76 782.928 765.78 782.88 Yeah , I think so too . Um so Martin , you are also uh half-time and , well , the third person is Gisella . I think it's quite clear that mm each person should have their own desk and Yeah . It's no no way we we could put two persons at the same desk . 765.93 767.12 768.36 771.06 771.31 773.52 779.42 782.88 IB4003 D MIO039 3 778.672 779.853 778.69 779.853 I agree with that . That's 779.36 IB4003 D MIO039 3 783.44 822.192 783.46 822.16 Whe whe where part-time is important is that it's n an overlo load on a room , so um for sure if you have a part-time person , it reduces the the ranges of time where too many people in the room . As far as I am concerned I probably might be able to have a kind of a regular presence here . Um , the uh the thing that f in my case has to be taken into account is that I will have a lot of phone calls . So I'll be talking o o o over the phone all the time . So that's not necessary Well , it depends on I I have nothing against sharing a a an office with somebody . I d already did it before , so and it was perfectly fine . 787.65 789.8 794.63 802.58 803.56 808.77 812.22 814.55 818.77 820.17 822.16 IB4003 A MIO036 0 794.256 795.667 794.28 795.667 Yeah , I think grouping 794.47 IB4003 A MIO036 0 808.864 809.539 808.89 809.26 Mm-hmm . 809.26 IB4003 C FIE037 2 809.741 811.517 810.0 811.44 Oh great . 811.44 IB4003 D MIO039 3 823.36 836.992 823.4 836.84 It just has to be somebody who can work while somebody else is having phone calls in the in the room , which is very d much dependent on people . Some people are not disturb at all by this . Some people just can't work . 830.64 832.69 835.72 836.84 IB4003 A MIO036 0 835.536 836.544 835.6 836.35 Mm-hmm . 836.35 IB4003 A MIO036 0 838.016 841.984 838.04 841.83 Are you disturbed by the phone calls of other people ? Okay . 841.44 841.83 IB4003 D MIO039 3 840.396 861.84 840.64 861.78 I'm not . But uh and uh what might happen , but it uh it will not be so heavy here uh at ISSCO is visitors . So that I will have more at E_P_F_L_ , uh typically students coming in um or asking for things . As I'm not teaching here , I'm teaching at E_P_F_L_ , this should shouldn't be a such a big load . 841.71 844.39 850.74 852.53 857.0 858.54 860.12 861.78 IB4003 A MIO036 0 852.826 853.634 853.21 853.51 Mm-hmm . 853.51 IB4003 D MIO039 3 863.02 871.872 863.16 871.872 So for me it it will be essentially I will not be I will not be able to be silent in the room , because I will be communicating also through vocal means , so 868.23 871.6 IB4003 A MIO036 0 864.072 865.824 865.08 865.73 Mm-hmm . 865.73 IB4003 A MIO036 0 871.824 872.656 871.86 872.45 Mm-hmm . 872.45 IB4003 C FIE037 2 872.734 910.096 872.82 910.096 Ye mm before um talking more about individual preferences , is there any possibility , what they have done in the uh faculty of law , for example , that they actually split rooms ? And so we would take uh uh one of the two people rooms and split it . And you would see that you would have the same size office , but that would give the privacy . Um insofar as in just about every other faculty in the building , every professor has their own office . And it's it's really it goes a bit far that uh we have to have this uh all this sharing uh . So one option and that but that we would need to ask about if we could uh split one of the rooms uh 877.08 879.17 881.48 882.43 884.32 887.82 890.03 891.95 897.06 899.53 905.44 IB4003 D MIO039 3 886.99 887.545 887.11 887.51 Hmm . 887.51 IB4003 D MIO039 3 888.542 889.097 888.64 889.02 Yeah . 889.02 IB4003 A MIO036 0 891.631 892.338 891.69 892.22 Mm-hmm . 892.22 IB4003 A MIO036 0 899.323 900.496 899.42 900.11 Mm-hmm . 900.11 IB4003 D MIO039 3 899.862 900.391 899.95 900.21 Hmm . 900.21 IB4003 D MIO039 3 910.496 916.672 910.53 916.62 Do you go for boxes for instance ? In the in the bigger rooms where , yeah You know like uh cubicles ? Yeah . 912.75 914.08 916.42 916.62 IB4003 A MIO036 0 914.672 915.993 914.7 915.92 Like cubicles . 915.92 IB4003 C FIE037 2 917.456 919.084 917.48 919.084 That doesn't really solve it uh - IB4003 D MIO039 3 919.207 919.762 919.37 919.57 Hmm . 919.57 IB4003 C FIE037 2 919.856 929.056 919.88 929.056 I mean there's there's really a difference to having to have your own Yeah , and sometimes you have uh you need to have private uh discussions with somebody or whatever , so 923.29 928.68 IB4003 D MIO039 3 920.35 922.134 920.4 922.07 You mean , you really want to have walls . 920.66 922.07 IB4003 A MIO036 0 921.168 922.224 921.22 922.17 Mm-hmm . 922.17 IB4003 D MIO039 3 923.602 924.194 923.63 924.1 Four walls . 924.1 IB4003 D MIO039 3 924.809 925.212 924.94 925.15 Yeah . 925.15 IB4003 D MIO039 3 926.733 927.949 926.75 927.55 Yeah , sure sure . 927.01 927.55 IB4003 A MIO036 0 929.286 976.032 929.286 975.97 Yeah , I I I will try to find out whether we can separate . I think for the moment the answer at least is no , because um it's not only , well , making a wall , but also b mm making a new door . So it's quite a lot of uh of work , but uh I will try to find this out for the next time . Um , so at least for the moment , as you can see there are uh I can show them here on the screen . So there are these two rooms on the left that uh accommodate one person . So at least some of the professors , since you are four , uh could could go uh well , could take these uh these rooms . And quite a lot of rooms with two persons . Uh how do you feel Susan about the professor sharing the room with her assistants or the one which is the most involved in in the teaching ? 930.18 932.6 935.41 937.72 938.04 938.85 941.05 943.03 946.33 947.04 948.81 952.24 957.68 959.63 960.98 962.67 965.64 968.08 975.97 IB4003 D MIO039 3 957.248 957.488 957.28 957.45 Mm-hmm . 957.45 IB4003 D MIO039 3 958.129 958.593 958.15 958.44 Yeah . 958.44 IB4003 C FIE037 2 975.984 1006.656 976.0 1006.656 Well , I I think it's uh really a matter of personal preference . As you know um , I prefer to have uh my own office . Um , I also have uh a lot of phone calls and y you know , have to see people , and with the other work that I'm doing with the rectorate uh , that is really confidential information that I'm treating . So I That I have to be really careful about too . But it's a personal preference uh . Insofar as what we've had up until now , both Maggie and Pierrette have been happy to share with others . So I mean I think that we should still check with them 976.26 979.09 980.3 982.71 983.52 986.66 987.71 990.69 993.71 996.83 998.89 1001.09 1004.43 IB4003 A MIO036 0 981.091 981.933 981.2 981.67 Hmm . 981.67 IB4003 D MIO039 3 982.304 982.528 982.32 982.49 Hmm . 982.49 IB4003 A MIO036 0 992.64 993.632 992.66 993.57 Mm-hmm . 993.57 IB4003 D MIO039 3 992.63 994.11 992.69 993.95 Yeah . Yeah . 993.85 993.95 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1004.944 1005.629 1005.12 1005.44 Mm-hmm . 1005.44 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1006.367 1014.649 1006.51 1014.649 I fully agree with that . That's uh it's much easier to me to uh to foresee having two people of the same position sharing a room , than uh 1007.4 1013.94 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1013.766 1017.975 1013.97 1017.86 Well , not sharing with each other . They each share with an assistant . Yeah . 1014.16 1015.56 1017.33 1017.86 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1015.623 1035.216 1015.7 1035.216 Oh sharing with their students . Oh sorry , because but that that's uh it's it's tricky because of confidentiality reasons , as you said . Yeah , you you you are discussing a budget on the on the project , you over the phone typically you don't necessary want to have somebody who will be dependent on that budget being part of the discussion , so 1017.03 1017.6 1021.77 1022.7 1023.04 1026.01 1034.84 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1016.208 1017.312 1016.208 1017.21 Yeah . 1017.21 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1031.235 1032.75 1031.46 1032.75 Paid on that - IB4003 A MIO036 0 1031.888 1032.48 1031.96 1032.37 Mm-hmm . 1032.37 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1034.266 1034.939 1034.43 1034.89 Mm-hmm . 1034.89 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1037.536 1052.608 1037.56 1052.48 Yeah , that's um that's true . Um , okay . Um , maybe we could s look a bit at the projects . Do you think it's a good idea to put together in the same room as much as possible people from the same project , since they talk quite a lot of to each other ? 1037.75 1039.97 1040.7 1041.51 1042.01 1044.28 1050.23 1052.48 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1047.984 1048.357 1048.04 1048.24 No . 1048.24 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1050.402 1055.244 1051.01 1055.17 No , because pro project doesn't last in time . They will change . 1051.19 1054.48 1055.17 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1055.392 1056.976 1055.41 1056.91 Mm-hmm . Okay . 1056.54 1056.91 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1056.36 1062.72 1056.43 1062.65 That's what The only thing that will not or that will change only progressively in time is the status of the people . Mm . 1062.35 1062.65 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1063.264 1070.147 1063.28 1070.147 Well , yeah , and some of the P_H_D_ students will hopefully finish their P_H_D_ at some point . 1063.71 1063.94 1070.05 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1066.004 1068.005 1066.12 1068.005 Yeah , they will promote that . 1066.29 1067.95 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1068.816 1071.862 1068.85 1071.34 But still , th some things Well , yeah . 1069.33 1071.22 1071.34 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1070.944 1071.632 1070.98 1071.56 Mm-hmm . 1071.56 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1072.048 1077.616 1072.07 1077.616 Yeah , and also some of our the people mentioned here are working on more than one project too . So 1072.28 1077.27 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1076.262 1076.745 1076.33 1076.54 Yeah . 1076.54 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1079.008 1093.472 1079.03 1093.472 For example , uh Marianne de uh , she's also working with me on the virtual campus project , so she that one wasn't mentioned , but I'm not saying that I necessarily want to be with her in the office , but uh it's just to say people are working on uh sometimes more than one project uh 1079.65 1080.98 1083.47 1085.93 1089.0 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1079.28 1079.76 1079.3 1079.72 Mm-hmm . 1079.72 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1084.048 1084.8 1084.11 1084.76 Uh-huh . 1084.76 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1086.752 1088.08 1086.77 1087.35 Okay , yeah . 1087.13 1087.35 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1089.088 1089.808 1089.14 1089.73 Mm-hmm . 1089.73 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1093.424 1105.928 1093.51 1105.74 If if it if i if projects are what you have in mind , I think that uh meeting room is the the tool for that . If you need to have people in a projects talking together , they just have a meeting room if it's not too far away then then it's a very good good practice . 1095.68 1098.72 1101.4 1105.74 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1098.507 1098.951 1098.72 1098.81 Yeah . 1098.81 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1098.912 1099.298 1098.93 1099.21 Yeah . 1099.21 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1102.381 1103.02 1102.56 1102.94 Yep . 1102.94 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1105.152 1114.653 1105.19 1114.36 Yeah . Well , actually , so the lounge could serve as some kind of meeting room , but there are also more formal meeting rooms available in in the building , as we now know . 1105.59 1105.88 1106.19 1108.99 1113.23 1114.36 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1110.955 1111.392 1111.12 1111.36 Yes . 1111.36 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1113.664 1132.384 1113.82 1132.35 That's why I was quite receptive to uh Susan's remark at the beginning is I wouldn't formulate it in a such a an extreme way as , do we really need the lounge ? But uh I would p probably formulate it in the way that uh , do we want to have only a lounge or s something that can be used only as a reading room ? 1122.63 1124.15 1127.26 1132.35 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1124.784 1125.44 1124.82 1125.38 Mm-hmm . 1125.38 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1133.408 1138.287 1133.43 1138.17 Because because meeting rooms to me are very important tools to do uh collaborative work . 1138.17 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1138.304 1140.608 1138.33 1140.608 Mm-hmm . So I think we need a 1139.64 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1139.328 1141.711 1139.35 1141.711 But on the other hand we also have to relax , so that's 1141.06 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1141.872 1149.581 1141.89 1149.581 Yeah , and and I think also we need a separate discussion on the furnishing of the lounge , which is a whole other topic . 1142.17 1146.53 1149.36 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1145.808 1146.271 1145.83 1146.22 Yes . 1146.22 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1146.48 1159.615 1146.5 1159.51 Well , yeah , we'll skip that for now . No I d um the lounge okay , but I think we need to also see it as a overflow place when we have um uh visitors for any length of time , so they actually have a place to work . 1146.75 1147.05 1149.84 1151.71 1157.96 1159.51 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1148.33 1148.848 1148.37 1148.72 Yes . 1148.72 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1155.392 1155.867 1155.41 1155.64 Yeah . 1155.64 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1157.839 1158.246 1158.03 1158.12 Yeah . 1158.12 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1159.648 1168.265 1159.67 1168.22 'Cause that's really my one of my worries with the plan that we have here is that it's it pr provides no possible possibilities of expansion . 1168.22 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1160.364 1162.16 1161.0 1162.13 Uh-huh . 1162.13 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1169.232 1173.696 1169.25 1173.54 And this will happen . I mean you can't you can't prevent having visitors . And you shouldn't . 1170.0 1172.71 1173.54 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1169.344 1169.96 1169.36 1169.96 Um - IB4003 C FIE037 2 1173.616 1175.565 1173.64 1175.36 No , you want to have visitors . Yeah . 1174.22 1175.23 1175.36 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1173.904 1180.192 1173.93 1180.16 Yeah , yeah , for the moment actually I think only one slot would be fully free . Uh that is Yeah . 1174.61 1174.81 1178.99 1180.16 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1178.776 1182.263 1179.04 1182.263 Which for for fifteen people it's not enough . I mean uh 1181.5 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1181.456 1186.3 1181.48 1186.08 Yeah , that means one visitor at a time . Or one intern . Yeah , that's Mm-hmm . 1181.65 1183.51 1184.77 1185.0 1186.08 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1182.941 1183.57 1182.96 1183.29 Yeah . 1183.29 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1183.411 1190.71 1183.93 1190.44 Yeah it's We have we have four professors here and and and two researchers . 1190.44 IB4003 B MIO094 1 1185.728 1186.738 1185.77 1186.738 It's - IB4003 B MIO094 1 1188.304 1193.312 1188.33 1193.28 It's funny that uh we move to another building because we run out of uh space and we will have the same problem . 1193.28 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1188.688 1189.056 1188.71 1189.02 Mm-hmm . 1189.02 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1193.777 1194.08 1193.9 1194.04 Mm . 1194.04 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1194.368 1199.328 1194.4 1199.328 Yes , but we have more space here than what we currently have , so it's at least some 1194.65 1197.49 IB4003 B MIO094 1 1196.384 1197.11 1196.4 1196.81 Ah okay . 1196.81 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1197.28 1209.915 1197.3 1209.915 Yeah , it's already in progress . And you're you're working Uh I think , yeah , w Okay , so one of the things I have to do for the next time is fin find out about the separations between rooms and 1197.53 1199.22 1202.15 1202.45 1203.45 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1198.456 1200.779 1198.82 1200.71 It's bad it's bad . 1200.71 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1208.896 1222.064 1208.92 1222.02 Because this is really related with security uh regulation as well . I mean you can't just put walls in in rooms without any specific authoris Yeah . Uh it's not necessary heavy in terms of work . It's heavy in terms of administrative authorisation . 1211.7 1217.09 1219.45 1222.02 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1214.432 1217.632 1214.45 1217.43 Yeah , I think it's quite a heavy transformation of the building . 1214.77 1217.43 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1219.655 1220.362 1219.91 1220.28 Mm-hmm . 1220.28 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1222.224 1234.32 1222.25 1234.28 Mm-hmm . And okay , I'll try to find out . And the other question is , can we squeeze maybe four people in the uh or at least four places in the three three P_ room ? 1223.1 1224.61 1226.0 1227.47 1234.28 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1223.177 1224.208 1223.48 1224.17 At least at E_P_F_L_ . 1224.17 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1234.123 1238.8 1234.2 1238.76 I think so . If you organise the desks in a in a intelligent way . 1234.71 1238.76 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1238.72 1239.356 1238.88 1239.15 Mm-hmm . 1239.15 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1239.568 1259.904 1239.76 1259.904 Yeah , hopefully visitors don't need as much say filing space , or um Yeah , they don't have that many papers . Uh okay . So that's uh I have to to ask , so you don't really feel um very strongly attached to this uh grouping by projects idea ? Mm-hmm . Um 1240.03 1243.65 1245.81 1247.77 1248.46 1251.25 1257.48 1258.88 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1242.357 1243.116 1242.53 1242.94 Yep . 1242.94 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1244.592 1245.639 1244.61 1245.46 Yeah , right , that's the point . 1244.8 1245.02 1245.46 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1256.192 1256.536 1256.24 1256.4 No . 1256.4 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1256.896 1257.184 1256.92 1257.15 No . 1257.15 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1258.784 1262.256 1258.82 1262.2 No , because they can share their ideas across the project , yeah , I would say . 1259.07 1261.63 1261.79 1262.2 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1262.4 1264.064 1262.42 1264.03 Coffee machines are that made for that . 1264.03 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1264.528 1266.641 1265.28 1266.08 Yeah , exactly . 1265.53 1266.08 IB4003 B MIO094 1 1265.136 1275.632 1265.29 1275.632 But uh usually , whe when new assistants come , they would like to share the room with someone that knows uh l uh it's related with the project , so he can 1266.05 1268.25 1273.93 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1268.188 1268.632 1268.26 1268.6 Mm-hmm . 1268.6 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1274.653 1283.171 1274.75 1283.171 No , that's that's proximity doesn't play a big role there . We can discuss with people that the the space is very small , I mean , altogether it's 1275.07 1278.67 1281.59 1281.86 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1274.995 1275.6 1275.01 1275.56 Mm-hmm . 1275.56 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1279.024 1281.187 1279.04 1281.0 Yeah , they they can change . 1279.36 1281.0 IB4003 B MIO094 1 1282.928 1283.12 1282.95 1283.08 Mm . 1283.08 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1284.064 1284.756 1284.08 1284.52 Mm-hmm . 1284.52 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1284.464 1299.155 1284.48 1299.05 And uh you don't y you don't need to discuss about the projects , you f more need about th to discuss about where is the printer , how do I get furniture , I'm I don't have a a pencil , where is the the box with the pencils , and so on . This is not project related . 1287.16 1290.77 1292.69 1294.65 1297.19 1297.63 1299.05 IB4003 B MIO094 1 1284.63 1285.443 1284.77 1285.39 No , okay . 1284.91 1285.39 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1300.867 1301.507 1300.9 1301.3 Mm-hmm . 1301.3 IB4003 B MIO094 1 1301.568 1302.043 1301.64 1301.87 Mm-hmm . 1301.87 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1302.048 1313.37 1302.13 1313.27 No , and if you look now at their uh the the current division of the offices , for example , uh Bruno and Agnes are sharing an office and they're working on totally different projects and and they're they're just fine with that . 1302.24 1306.16 1307.03 1313.27 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1310.96 1311.728 1311.12 1311.69 Mm-hmm . 1311.69 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1311.301 1311.897 1311.52 1311.82 Yeah . 1311.82 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1314.048 1330.352 1314.44 1330.352 Yeah , I think that's that's going to be one of the the main things we'll have to ask is whether people have strong preferences either in staying with someone or in uh not staying . Um , are you aware f of any strong constraints right now ? 1314.63 1325.16 1326.17 1330.08 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1330.4 1342.248 1330.42 1342.248 Well , there there were , but they sort of disappeared as of October when the no smoking rule came in , because before we were grouping the smokers and now that there's no smoking , uh I guess that's not very important option , though 1330.55 1331.21 1336.0 1339.28 1341.83 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1336.832 1337.184 1336.85 1337.08 Oh . 1337.08 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1336.917 1337.916 1337.19 1337.75 Yeah , that's true . 1337.44 1337.75 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1342.496 1348.272 1342.52 1348.272 Okay , yeah , that's true . So smoking is now um no longer a constraint . 1342.71 1342.94 1343.46 1348.01 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1347.104 1351.744 1347.12 1351.744 Well , except for that maybe you don't even want anybody smoking on your balcony , so 1347.62 1350.59 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1352.56 1353.008 1352.62 1352.97 Yeah . 1352.97 IB4003 B MIO094 1 1352.752 1356.672 1352.77 1356.64 Is it allowed to smoke inside an office , if it's a one person No , not any more . 1354.76 1356.14 1356.64 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1355.229 1355.673 1355.26 1355.57 No . 1355.57 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1356.116 1356.745 1356.4 1356.47 No . 1356.47 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1356.816 1366.055 1356.84 1365.88 No , n it's in in principle it's a it's a no smoking building . You can smoke outside . So you can go outside onto the balcony to smoke . Not even in the cafeteria . No . 1357.15 1360.26 1361.54 1364.54 1365.72 1365.88 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1357.148 1358.63 1357.27 1358.52 It's non-smoking campus . 1358.52 IB4003 B MIO094 1 1361.408 1361.664 1361.44 1361.63 Mm-hmm . 1361.63 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1362.558 1365.621 1362.87 1365.43 Not even in the cafeteria ? Downstairs ? 1364.92 1365.43 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1366.055 1370.407 1366.31 1370.3 Full no smoking building for all of the six thousand students . 1370.3 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1366.153 1368.608 1366.44 1368.5 Yeah . That's the new regulation . 1366.67 1368.5 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1366.782 1367.248 1366.83 1367.15 Okay . 1367.15 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1367.803 1368.284 1367.91 1368.16 Wow . 1368.16 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1368.284 1371.152 1368.284 1371.12 On the roof maybe . 1371.12 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1372.182 1375.344 1372.45 1375.25 Uh on the balcony , actually . Yeah . Normally . 1373.4 1374.22 1374.69 1375.25 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1373.296 1374.479 1373.46 1374.27 Yeah . Yep . 1374.07 1374.27 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1373.396 1374.474 1373.62 1374.41 The balcony , okay . 1374.14 1374.41 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1375.28 1376.738 1375.3 1376.58 There is the there's that terrace . 1376.58 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1376.768 1377.942 1376.82 1377.942 But Andre , uh just a 1377.26 IB4003 B MIO094 1 1376.864 1384.272 1376.88 1384.2 Wow , there there's no place in inside the building ? Wow , E_T_P_F_L_ is a c it's a non-smoking campus , but there are some places tha 1377.5 1380.29 1380.65 1383.12 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1379.36 1379.568 1379.39 1379.53 No . 1379.53 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1384.944 1422.7 1384.96 1422.12 Still some places where smokers can survive . But Andre , just a comment abou about your your previous uh request . I I don't think that anyone will provide you information such as who doesn't want to be with whom . That's a typical uh output of ex uh research in expert systems . These are the rules that you never get . But uh you can get them through a proposal . So you propose a set-up , where people are with other peoples and they will find politically correct ways to tell you that uh they don't want to have a view on the mountains , but they prefer to have view on the old town , so they would be in the toilets . They would um p prefer to be in another room . 1387.72 1388.07 1390.82 1395.67 1400.97 1402.47 1405.29 1407.72 1414.72 1416.7 1419.68 1422.12 IB4003 B MIO094 1 1386.083 1388.302 1386.083 1388.302 Yeah yeah yeah . 1388.25 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1387.883 1389.024 1388.21 1388.96 Yeah . Mm-hmm . 1388.73 1388.96 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1404.16 1404.71 1404.18 1404.55 The other way . 1404.55 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1406.208 1407.536 1406.55 1407.31 Mm-hmm . 1407.31 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1417.344 1421.824 1417.37 1421.824 O on the toilets or - IB4003 A MIO036 0 1421.824 1422.304 1421.85 1422.26 Mm-hmm . 1422.26 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1422.274 1428.604 1422.47 1428.14 No , we we do have one constraint that's difficult , which is uh Gisella , because when she's there she's very noisy . 1422.91 1425.26 1426.32 1428.14 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1426.709 1427.361 1426.81 1427.02 Yeah . 1427.02 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1426.976 1428.413 1427.0 1428.12 Yeah . 1428.12 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1427.953 1428.582 1428.17 1428.43 Yeah . 1428.43 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1429.072 1437.756 1429.09 1437.65 She's on the phone a lot It's just it's by Yeah . It's by nat uh by the nature of her work that uh a lot of it is communication . Yeah . 1432.12 1437.45 1437.65 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1429.392 1433.296 1429.41 1433.22 But that's a sec s that's the admin that's the admin uh so it's part of the work . Yeah . 1433.07 1433.22 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1435.344 1444.726 1435.37 1444.58 Mm-hmm . Yes , Martin said also for him and , yeah , especially for her . Yeah the in she's the interface . So Mm-hmm . 1436.51 1436.97 1439.02 1439.2 1440.44 1442.81 1444.58 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1439.811 1440.218 1439.83 1439.92 Yep . 1439.92 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1442.688 1458.544 1442.71 1458.51 And that that's a problem , you're right , because because we don't have a one person we d we don't have enough one person rooms for uh accommodating the uh the admin place . And uh if you put two person persons or three persons for the admin space , who who who else would you put in there ? 1443.54 1443.9 1452.26 1456.45 1458.51 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1448.429 1448.977 1448.57 1448.81 Yep . 1448.81 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1458.924 1459.728 1459.1 1459.69 Mm-hmm . 1459.69 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1459.648 1473.936 1459.76 1473.936 Because we don't have any assistant manager or we don't have We have only one half part half-time uh admin and no other non-researcher positions , if I'm not mistaken . And this is really a piece of a problem . Maybe you could put some visitors , but um 1469.1 1470.15 1471.98 1473.41 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1470.547 1472.714 1470.61 1472.51 Yep . Yeah . 1472.08 1472.51 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1474.934 1488.672 1475.1 1488.672 Yeah , I think Yeah . Mm-hmm . I think putting Gisella with the other admin of the school is not an option , because we weren't offered Yeah , it would be nice , but uh Okay , I'll try to find out , but uh 1475.69 1477.01 1477.86 1482.01 1484.37 1485.14 1486.79 1488.02 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1474.924 1479.026 1475.11 1479.026 I know . It's not very uh realistic in a in a in an admin room , but uh 1475.53 1478.39 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1481.836 1486.493 1481.836 1486.43 I think that's a excellent idea . Why don't we ask about that ? 1485.05 1486.43 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1486.464 1487.946 1486.48 1487.946 Yeah , because 1487.15 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1487.946 1494.576 1488.05 1494.54 You can't put a researcher there . That's just Either you lose one position or you find another admin or assistant manager . 1489.67 1494.54 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1491.68 1492.417 1491.7 1492.13 I th - IB4003 A MIO036 0 1495.808 1496.608 1495.83 1496.35 Yeah . 1496.35 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1496.45 1506.656 1496.58 1506.656 I mean there is certainly enough space uh down the hall , wi if all of those uh uh offices that are , where half of them are also half time , and they're very under-used . So um 1500.05 1503.07 1504.68 1506.08 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1500.106 1500.532 1500.2 1500.37 Yeah . 1500.37 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1506.576 1532.908 1506.6 1532.66 Okay , we'll try , but all these , yeah , are say sort of difficult questions because they involve changing also the offices of the school and , you know , people just don't wanna change in general . Um , let's see , maybe we can find some temporary well , at least a proposal for Gisella . So , since the one-person rooms are quite , well , sort of um desired by a lot of people , she should probably No , y Yeah . Okay . 1507.01 1507.52 1508.35 1508.5 1514.74 1515.02 1517.42 1518.36 1518.75 1521.14 1523.2 1523.48 1526.43 1526.79 1529.74 1531.42 1532.37 1532.66 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1513.692 1514.136 1513.73 1513.88 Yep . 1513.88 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1529.465 1570.453 1529.75 1570.42 No that's not sure that's not sure . Uh the there are To me there are two options possible is either you we can take one of the one person rooms for the admin , because some of , typically , the professors have good reasons for sharing . Sharing either with a colleague or sharing uh with some of their uh one of their P_H_D_ students . In that case it's it's realistic . Then we could very very simply uh allocate the one pers one of the one person rooms for the admin . And that would solve the problem . The other thing is to take a two person room for the admin . That could be the one uh close to the uh close to the here in the centre so uh the Yeah . 1531.2 1539.52 1541.28 1541.69 1545.44 1551.84 1553.34 1559.21 1561.05 1563.6 1570.42 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1539.504 1540.046 1539.54 1539.97 Mm-hmm . 1539.97 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1545.12 1545.648 1545.15 1545.61 Mm-hmm . 1545.61 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1563.888 1564.459 1563.92 1564.42 Mm-hmm . 1564.42 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1569.056 1571.553 1569.33 1571.27 Uh , the the middle one here ? Okay . 1569.53 1570.97 1571.27 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1570.88 1580.533 1570.9 1580.42 But tha No no no , the other one , the the one op Yeah , here , this one . But then uh that the the question of what do we do with the second position there remains fully open . 1571.58 1572.07 1573.35 1573.58 1574.66 1580.42 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1573.408 1574.352 1573.43 1574.32 This one . Okay . 1574.01 1574.32 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1580.592 1582.327 1580.62 1582.327 Mm-hmm . Well 1581.71 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1581.536 1595.472 1581.56 1595.472 So I would be I would be more of the opinion to to see whether it's it's so evident that , let's say the at least the two full full-time professors that are here on the list , we have one here , but uh Maggie is is not present . If they really 1586.44 1591.6 1592.37 1594.54 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1592.608 1593.049 1592.64 1592.9 Yeah . 1592.9 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1594.208 1594.768 1594.23 1594.72 Mm-hmm . 1594.72 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1595.284 1596.464 1595.284 1596.43 And Pierrette too . 1596.43 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1596.896 1610.56 1596.92 1610.53 Yeah , and Pierrette . If if if because of personal preferences they would be happy with a two person room , which might or might not be the case . I mean it's it's certainly not uh something that we should impose , but we can ask . 1597.08 1597.56 1604.8 1606.33 1609.73 1610.53 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1596.977 1598.16 1597.24 1598.16 Yeah . Yeah , well 1597.68 1597.83 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1604.704 1605.104 1604.73 1605.03 Mm-hmm . 1605.03 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1607.216 1607.624 1607.24 1607.48 Yeah . 1607.48 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1609.216 1618.87 1609.38 1618.87 Mm-hmm . Yeah , because in this case , yeah , Gisella could take one of the the two person rooms and the other place would be for some kind of visitor , that 1610.76 1610.94 1612.01 1612.32 1618.38 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1617.862 1625.232 1618.0 1625.2 Yeah , but that's not realistic either . I mean , you have you have a fore foreign researcher coming visiting you and you will put put him in the admin office ? 1618.13 1619.41 1619.71 1625.2 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1620.76 1622.084 1620.83 1622.084 I or - IB4003 A MIO036 0 1625.152 1628.592 1625.17 1628.43 Ah . Okay . Uh . 1625.8 1627.25 1628.43 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1627.104 1631.869 1627.3 1631.869 Uh you'll not do that . I mean uh , maybe you can do that with an exchange student , that's 1628.48 1629.24 1631.32 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1632.088 1633.936 1632.13 1633.9 Yeah , with with younger people , yeah . 1632.43 1633.68 1633.9 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1632.192 1634.864 1632.21 1634.83 Yeah , or an intern . Mm-hmm . 1632.42 1634.31 1634.83 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1634.169 1639.216 1634.28 1639.06 But you can't take a senior visitor and uh him in the in the secretary . 1639.06 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1636.529 1637.04 1636.73 1636.94 No . 1636.94 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1638.304 1644.593 1638.32 1644.593 So we we invite invite and then we say , okay you can sit with Gisella . 1641.04 1644.21 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1640.669 1645.893 1640.669 1645.893 Uh you're here . 1645.76 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1643.44 1665.883 1643.82 1665.883 Yeah . Okay . Okay so this sets a bit the stage for uh for Gisella then . Uh yeah we'll try to to find out . Um , actually , yeah , maybe we should remind that quite a lot of professors at the at the school actually share their office with their assistant . So b it looks like sort of an implicit tradition . Maybe not to be followed . 1644.25 1645.71 1650.08 1652.92 1653.24 1653.62 1653.76 1660.13 1663.43 1665.78 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1662.928 1663.312 1662.95 1663.312 Um - IB4003 D MIO039 3 1663.423 1665.254 1663.7 1664.7 As Susan said , p 1664.65 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1664.057 1666.592 1664.08 1666.56 Except for in every other faculty . 1666.56 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1667.12 1668.544 1667.14 1668.544 Okay . 1668.24 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1667.396 1669.113 1667.396 1668.87 Yeah ? Is that so ? 1668.5 1668.87 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1668.688 1679.184 1668.81 1679.04 Yes , it is so . Every other faculty as far as I have seen their offices and the people that I know and that's in um in law , 1669.1 1670.1 1679.04 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1669.888 1670.112 1669.93 1670.06 Oh . 1670.06 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1674.944 1675.429 1674.96 1675.31 Mm-hmm . 1675.31 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1679.648 1679.872 1679.68 1679.84 Yeah . 1679.84 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1680.208 1689.504 1680.24 1689.46 uh socio-economics , uh okay ? It's a They all have their own office . I mean in in the in the law faculty they're at best there half time . 1681.91 1682.99 1685.69 1689.46 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1681.6 1682.325 1681.76 1682.13 Okay . 1682.13 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1686.464 1687.258 1686.48 1687.06 No no , that's it . 1686.74 1687.06 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1689.696 1695.024 1689.74 1695.024 As we said , it's it's really a matter of personal preference , it cannot be something else . It cannot be imposed for sure . It's uh 1690.19 1692.08 1693.23 1694.66 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1690.256 1691.018 1690.33 1690.93 Mm-hmm . 1690.93 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1693.171 1693.676 1693.35 1693.53 Yeah . 1693.53 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1696.336 1713.6 1696.39 1713.56 Um , okay so I think Well , this sets a bit uh the stage . Uh could we try So could you try please to uh Do you want an extra uh piece of paper ? Maybe try to , well , think on your own and then talk a little bit just to the people around you . 1697.8 1699.59 1701.98 1707.85 1709.25 1709.57 1713.56 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1708.342 1709.193 1708.342 1708.88 job . 1708.88 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1713.776 1735.94 1713.8 1735.84 Again uh uh um , Andre , I think that the only realistic way we can do is to speak for our for ourselves . I can tell you according to what I know now where I would like or would be ready to be , but I really don't see how I could decide for uh Maggie or Pierrette or whoever else on the list , that they should be there . 1715.12 1715.44 1720.17 1727.72 1734.59 1735.84 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1720.928 1721.424 1720.95 1721.39 Mm-hmm . 1721.39 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1732.992 1739.568 1733.01 1739.568 Yeah . No the point was to try to , well , just talk to them , to David , or 1734.26 1736.24 1736.74 1738.6 1739.3 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1734.562 1735.56 1734.58 1735.45 We're gonna have to . 1735.45 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1737.296 1755.401 1737.33 1755.26 Yeah , b why why couldn't we do like couldn't we do it like for for the the set-up of meetings . You you everyone received that and uh should provide Yeah , I would like to be here . And then you will have this multi-constraint problem and uh you work during two hours and you come up with the optimal solution . 1737.45 1741.65 1745.7 1747.73 1755.26 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1745.84 1747.072 1745.86 1746.99 Mm-hmm . 1746.99 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1752.352 1760.801 1752.37 1760.64 Yeah . So w w w will you ask people just for their place or also for the other people's place ? Because Uh-huh . 1753.36 1759.44 1760.64 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1756.368 1761.36 1756.39 1761.32 Yeah , I would I would ask for their place . I mean that's that's that's the important thing you want to know . 1756.63 1758.92 1761.32 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1761.76 1762.724 1761.78 1762.724 Well , but that's 1761.99 IB4003 B MIO094 1 1761.725 1770.24 1761.78 1770.21 W what abou what about the the the cafeteria ? I mean , we are going to purchase a cafeteria with a projector and all this altogether or Reading room , yeah . It's altogether . 1763.76 1764.04 1769.21 1769.5 1770.21 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1767.344 1768.458 1767.37 1768.09 Uh it's a reading room . 1768.09 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1769.568 1771.216 1769.61 1771.18 Reading room , it's not a cafeteria . 1770.21 1771.18 IB4003 B MIO094 1 1771.792 1773.104 1771.81 1773.104 So in the living room - IB4003 D MIO039 3 1772.288 1814.491 1772.31 1814.38 But that that's an open question whether it's a it's a it's a it At the origin it was supposed to be a f pure reading room for relaxing , uh reading the newspapers , et cetera , et cetera . Uh there has been a very long discussion about that . I stinct uh this discussion is still vivid , that some of the people , I bel belong to these people , would like to have a mixed room where you can have a reading room for sure , but also meeting room if necessary . Or , as uh Susan said , a room an emergency room where you can put uh some visitors in a decent environment for for for for work , because you don't have any other place to do it . But that's that's really an open discussion and that d I think no decision , no final decision has been taken about that . 1779.32 1780.85 1781.25 1782.43 1784.79 1787.13 1788.2 1789.54 1793.7 1795.88 1796.3 1797.54 1805.64 1807.44 1811.14 1814.38 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1781.808 1782.224 1781.84 1782.1 Mm-hmm . 1782.1 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1804.08 1804.56 1804.13 1804.51 Mm-hmm . 1804.51 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1810.344 1810.848 1810.53 1810.78 Yeah . 1810.78 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1812.604 1828.212 1812.604 1828.212 Okay , th then Okay then for the next time , um try to come up either with your own preferences , that's quite easy probably to state now that you know the constraints , or if you can poll a little bit the people around you , that would be I mean , even 1813.11 1815.94 1819.24 1822.8 1825.78 1827.62 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1819.162 1819.605 1819.26 1819.52 Yes . 1819.52 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1822.672 1823.28 1822.7 1823.16 Yes . 1823.16 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1826.866 1830.176 1826.866 1830.176 The one that I don't want to have in the next room ? 1830.1 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1830.096 1854.288 1830.12 1854.25 Well , just discuss i Yeah , for instance , I mean No , no , I was thinking just ask people around you what they think about this . And I think , yeah , it will be nice to to come with maybe a sketch of of these . If you can do slides , it's even better , but uh don't be that formal . And uh we'll try to at least build up one coherent proposal , and we'll merge it with the other one when the other one uh is available . 1830.28 1831.32 1831.91 1832.55 1832.71 1836.69 1837.25 1837.42 1841.01 1841.95 1842.82 1844.94 1849.4 1854.25 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1834.496 1834.96 1834.6 1834.89 Okay . 1834.89 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1853.561 1854.285 1853.84 1854.13 Okay . 1854.13 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1854.432 1861.05 1854.52 1860.73 Okay , I'll ask um uh Maggie and Pierrette uh if they have uh any preferences . 1854.97 1860.73 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1855.28 1858.944 1855.3 1858.9 Um . Oh , great . 1858.2 1858.49 1858.9 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1857.648 1859.908 1857.68 1859.75 That would be great . That would be great . 1858.72 1859.75 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1860.096 1861.597 1860.14 1861.54 Mm-hmm . Perfect . 1861.0 1861.54 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1860.992 1868.015 1861.08 1867.85 C that that of course is one of the main well not main but one of the important features that we need to know about . 1867.85 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1862.512 1862.752 1862.53 1862.72 Yeah . 1862.72 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1864.541 1864.985 1864.56 1864.81 Yeah . 1864.81 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1865.744 1866.084 1865.77 1865.95 No . 1865.95 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1867.232 1872.414 1867.26 1872.29 Yeah , since they're not at the meeting I think it's in out of courtesy we should first ask them . 1867.43 1872.29 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1868.816 1869.387 1868.86 1869.26 Yes . 1869.26 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1870.16 1871.44 1870.18 1871.44 And I'll try to - IB4003 D MIO039 3 1871.156 1871.829 1871.24 1871.72 Yes . 1871.72 IB4003 B MIO094 1 1871.728 1876.144 1871.75 1876.08 Bu I ju just before finishing uh , I mean , we have a cafeteria or we don't eat at all ? 1873.39 1874.1 1876.08 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1872.491 1872.861 1872.51 1872.73 Fine . 1872.73 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1876.56 1878.049 1876.59 1877.99 We don't have cafeteria . 1877.99 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1877.008 1879.41 1877.03 1879.32 What do you mean by cafeteria exactly ? 1879.32 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1878.144 1879.35 1878.16 1879.06 He means reading room . 1879.06 IB4003 B MIO094 1 1878.88 1882.064 1878.9 1882.03 A place n what mm uh we can take a coffee also . 1882.03 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1880.679 1881.123 1880.81 1881.123 What - IB4003 D MIO039 3 1882.64 1884.368 1882.69 1884.33 No , there is no coffee in the reading room . 1882.94 1884.33 IB4003 B MIO094 1 1884.544 1884.93 1884.58 1884.71 No ? 1884.71 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1885.008 1888.333 1885.03 1888.333 Yeah , w we can bring your coffee in the reading room , but 1885.26 1887.83 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1884.895 1890.244 1885.21 1890.244 That was the wrong We we did not have any money for buying the coffee machines , so 1889.69 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1889.648 1907.744 1889.67 1907.744 So so since maybe , you're a part-time here , and part-ti part-time at E_P_F_L_ , there are at least two um coffee machines in the building , one at the third floor , one at the first floor . And we can bring our coffee . No uh automatic uh coffee machines . So uh yeah . But , in 1891.73 1892.78 1894.66 1897.98 1899.16 1900.55 1902.31 1904.92 1906.19 1907.58 IB4003 B MIO094 1 1900.186 1903.549 1900.36 1903.45 But they close at five or ? Ah okay . 1902.44 1903.45 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1902.925 1904.103 1903.18 1904.06 No . Coffee machines . 1903.37 1904.06 IB4003 B MIO094 1 1904.304 1905.031 1904.32 1904.96 Okay , okay . 1904.76 1904.96 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1906.0 1910.353 1906.02 1910.15 No , there's the cafeteria is downstairs , but they close at five . 1906.14 1908.42 1910.15 IB4003 B MIO094 1 1908.032 1909.071 1908.05 1909.04 Yeah , yeah , this . 1908.31 1908.78 1909.04 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1908.578 1909.17 1908.79 1908.9 Uh-huh . 1908.9 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1910.019 1910.647 1910.04 1910.52 Five . 1910.52 IB4003 B MIO094 1 1910.128 1913.051 1910.18 1913.051 Ah that's the main problem . 1912.76 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1911.134 1919.662 1911.35 1919.63 Yeah , but there's the two machines , and they're uh the vending machines where you just put the money and and you can get Yeah . Yeah . 1911.97 1913.26 1919.33 1919.63 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1911.84 1912.548 1911.88 1912.17 Mm-hmm . 1912.17 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1915.605 1931.848 1915.76 1931.75 Yeah , vending machines . Mm-hmm . Okay . Yeah , maybe this is not a very bad timing . Could we try to meet uh next Tuesday ? Um , next Tuesday maybe at t maybe a bit later ? Maybe at eleven o'clock ? 1916.02 1917.21 1918.38 1919.68 1920.03 1922.05 1926.8 1927.57 1930.12 1931.75 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1916.899 1919.391 1917.19 1919.31 And you can bring your coffee in the reading room . 1919.31 IB4003 B MIO094 1 1917.194 1917.638 1917.29 1917.57 Okay . 1917.57 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1922.347 1924.379 1922.52 1924.379 T to try the coffee ? 1924.32 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1926.394 1926.949 1926.65 1926.81 Wait . 1926.81 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1930.91 1932.704 1930.96 1932.6 Wait , wai wai wai wait . Next Tuesday . 1931.15 1931.83 1932.6 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1931.68 1933.616 1931.7 1933.616 Wait , wait . Tuesday um 1931.95 1932.34 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1934.576 1936.144 1934.6 1936.11 Come on , try try to be nice . 1934.95 1936.11 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1934.24 1939.803 1936.44 1939.31 Uh , well well well well , not so easy , eh ? 1937.53 1938.44 1939.05 1939.31 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1938.48 1940.896 1938.5 1940.52 Gi give me a reasonable date . 1940.52 IB4003 B MIO094 1 1938.719 1942.821 1938.89 1942.58 Yes , I ha I have no constraints , so it's fine . 1939.56 1941.13 1942.58 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1940.278 1940.648 1940.42 1940.52 Ch - IB4003 C FIE037 2 1940.648 1947.488 1940.648 1947.35 Um we have the don't forget we have the other meeting the M_D_M_ meeting in the morning , so it would have to be in the afternoon . 1945.8 1947.35 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1942.56 1944.427 1942.61 1944.34 Yeah , for me it's a good timing . 1942.92 1944.34 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1947.696 1949.04 1947.72 1948.95 Uh-huh , okay . 1948.4 1948.95 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1948.21 1953.552 1948.32 1953.52 Next Tuesday we have a meeting , yeah . That might be Where is the meeting ? It's Unimail ? 1949.56 1950.16 1952.31 1953.52 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1949.344 1950.369 1949.36 1950.32 Yeah . Exactly . 1949.84 1950.32 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1953.808 1954.016 1953.89 1953.98 Yeah . 1953.98 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1954.96 1957.637 1954.99 1957.637 Okay , so , yeah yeah , then it could be that 1955.25 1955.68 1956.07 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1956.736 1960.399 1956.76 1960.29 At nine thirty , but we could do we could have this meeting then in the afternoon . Nah ? 1957.29 1959.66 1960.29 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1957.637 1964.735 1958.04 1964.61 That yeah . That that would be great , because that would allow us not to move , or not to travel twice . 1959.1 1960.33 1963.11 1964.61 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1959.632 1960.387 1959.65 1960.26 Okay . 1960.26 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1961.344 1961.696 1961.36 1961.6 Mm-hmm . 1961.6 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1963.2 1975.456 1963.23 1975.4 Very well . So about two o'clock ? Would that be okay ? After lunch . It's not a very demanding meeting , so um Perfect . Um , then let me close this . 1964.11 1965.28 1966.2 1967.26 1968.85 1971.43 1973.43 1975.4 IB4003 C FIE037 2 1963.862 1967.853 1963.91 1967.66 Yep . Okay . Yeah . Okay . 1965.44 1966.68 1967.44 1967.66 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1966.18 1969.456 1966.38 1969.41 Yeah , after lunch . Right . Yep . Okay . 1966.87 1968.01 1968.69 1969.22 1969.41 IB4003 A MIO036 0 1977.072 1982.432 1977.072 1982.432 And uh good luck for your arrangement games . 1982.11 IB4003 D MIO039 3 1981.568 1981.924 1981.59 1981.83 Thank you . 1981.83 IB4004 A MIO036 0 0.0 5.224 0.07 5.09 Hey look , these are microphones they uh they're for women's shirts . 0.87 5.09 IB4004 C FIE037 2 7.883 9.394 8.12 9.32 No no it's the opposite . 9.32 IB4004 A MIO036 0 9.731 13.68 9.88 13.58 Um okay , so um let's start . 11.29 13.58 IB4004 A MIO036 0 15.808 75.632 15.93 75.6 Um thanks for coming again to this meeting . I hope it won't be too long and especially that we'll make some progress on uh this uh on this small task that is putting people in our new rooms . Uh I hope you had fun in uh , well , designing something or uh asking the people about their preferences and uh things like this . So yeah , that's what I was talking about , it's for women's shirts . Um so um well , I think you remember all the constraints and the new settings , I think , you'll be more and more used to it as as soon as we move . So we have these one person , two person and three person rooms . Um and so that makes , I think , eighteen places . And we had about fifteen people and some uh spare uh spare mm well , working places to to put um may I first uh provide the answers to the the questions from the last time ? 18.97 30.18 32.18 32.45 38.29 38.64 40.02 42.05 45.26 48.55 49.08 53.7 55.72 58.21 60.32 60.73 63.36 68.29 75.6 IB4004 C FIE037 2 75.632 78.416 75.632 78.32 And I also checked with uh Maggie and Pierrette . 78.32 IB4004 A MIO036 0 78.425 120.3 78.48 120.18 Oh , great , yeah . So that will be part of the your uh your solution or suggestions to solution . But regarding the constraints um there is no immediate plan to to make separations between the rooms so that means basically well , we have to do with this setting and uh it's it's quite difficult to make new doors and new walls , so I think we shouldn't count on them in the next uh four years maybe . And they don't want us to sh I mean they don't want to provide an extra working space for Gisella with the other I_T_ admins , which we could understand , because it's sort of full over there , but uh at least that's what they said . 78.76 79.35 79.67 84.59 94.67 101.13 106.27 115.1 116.24 117.94 120.18 IB4004 C FIE037 2 107.482 108.389 107.6 108.15 Great . 108.15 IB4004 C FIE037 2 119.648 122.242 119.67 122.242 Come now , it's not full over there . 120.49 122.19 IB4004 A MIO036 0 121.744 162.064 121.77 161.83 So it seems we uh yeah the well , we cannot change the habits of the whole school just for us . Though it wouldn't be a bad thing maybe , but uh we'll see . So regarding the possibility to put four people in one of the two uh three person rooms , um well , it's not very easy , we'll have to play uh quite uh quite wisely with the furnishing . It it looks like it's not impossible , at least on the one that is a bit uh longer , on on the right . So uh the one uh here . It should be possible to put four persons . If we could avoid it , it would much simplify things , but uh , well , we'll see . 125.94 129.12 130.87 133.09 139.55 140.75 141.79 146.8 148.72 151.88 152.88 155.17 157.04 158.05 159.68 160.86 161.23 161.83 IB4004 D MIO039 3 160.339 167.456 160.76 167.41 The the question is is it is it against the regulation security regulation of the school . That's that's the important point . 166.18 167.41 IB4004 A MIO036 0 165.36 166.88 165.38 166.85 No . No no no . 166.25 166.85 IB4004 C FIE037 2 165.84 171.488 165.87 171.45 No uh no . And and I and I went over and I looked at that room , too . There's plenty of space for four people . 167.02 169.61 169.8 171.45 IB4004 D MIO039 3 171.712 172.048 171.75 171.97 Okay . 171.97 IB4004 A MIO036 0 172.288 188.198 172.31 188.198 Yeah , I think , yeah . It it's more a matter of how to arrange the furniture , but uh since we are experts at this task uh okay , so maybe we could count on on four places , but the final decision is not really ours , so uh we'll see actually this 172.64 173.08 173.32 176.08 179.84 182.12 184.33 IB4004 C FIE037 2 176.336 177.054 176.57 176.8 Yeah . 176.8 IB4004 B MIO094 1 186.848 190.496 186.87 190.46 That would be fine if one of the person is fifty per cent . So me , for example . 189.53 189.94 190.46 IB4004 A MIO036 0 190.356 210.154 190.43 210.154 Exactly . Or one of the intern positions , the people who might come or something like that . Um okay so these were the um the answers . So actually I I did my uh my proposal as a slide . Would you like me to start or would you like me to end ? It's uh 191.01 193.08 196.58 200.93 206.38 209.1 IB4004 C FIE037 2 191.602 193.211 191.98 193.211 Ah . 193.16 IB4004 C FIE037 2 194.608 195.749 194.63 195.39 Exactly . Yeah . 195.21 195.39 IB4004 C FIE037 2 206.543 218.565 206.95 218.38 Mm . Well just t just to uh uh complete uh , I talked both with Maggie and Pierrette and both of them are happy to share offices . They have no problem whatsoever . 207.73 212.4 217.16 218.38 IB4004 B MIO094 1 207.912 208.72 208.15 208.56 Please . 208.56 IB4004 A MIO036 0 213.968 214.752 214.0 214.71 Oh , great . 214.33 214.71 IB4004 D MIO039 3 218.032 218.4 218.032 218.4 . 539.3 IB4004 C FIE037 2 219.168 235.2 219.19 235.08 Uh they're they're easy , but uh could be uh as Pierrette has right now , that she cou she is happy to continue to share with uh Marianne , uh and and Maggie , for example , to share with uh it could be with Bruno , because they work on the SwissTra together and they like to gossip together , so . 220.54 223.58 226.4 228.0 228.7 231.5 234.61 235.08 IB4004 D MIO039 3 226.576 227.148 226.68 226.9 Mm-hmm . 226.9 IB4004 D MIO039 3 231.607 233.246 231.85 232.96 Okay , okay . 232.45 232.96 IB4004 A MIO036 0 235.184 254.0 235.43 253.97 Beautiful . Okay , then let me um explain very briefly the the rationale for for this . So it's the same uh schema that you know . In red you have the uh uh oh , excuse me , that's quite uh annoying , excuse me . Um hello . 237.07 237.38 243.58 246.78 249.71 250.31 251.85 253.09 253.97 IB4004 D MIO039 3 235.367 236.865 235.45 236.54 Yes . That looks good . 235.82 236.54 IB4004 A MIO036 0 256.435 262.896 256.57 262.82 Oh , yeah , um , can I can I call you a bit later in about half an hour . I'm just in the middle of a meeting and I'm talking . 257.12 257.65 258.32 260.73 262.82 IB4004 D MIO039 3 259.167 262.855 259.6 262.855 People sh yeah that's - IB4004 C FIE037 2 259.646 264.157 259.68 264.03 People who don't turn off their phone in a meeting . It's fantastic . 262.21 264.03 IB4004 A MIO036 0 264.304 298.555 264.32 298.32 Oh okay , thank you . Bye-bye . Um , sorry for this . Fortunately we were just uh the four of us . Um . Okay , so , let me get back to into the proposal after the brief interruption . Um so the names are in red . Now um well , one of the reasons at least for me for doing this was to more or less group people uh with within projects , because I I think that sometimes they ju they just discuss together and uh it's easier if they are in the same office . 265.35 265.73 267.96 268.33 269.79 272.56 274.86 275.19 275.68 280.34 282.57 284.88 292.57 298.32 IB4004 D MIO039 3 264.656 265.072 264.656 264.656 . 264.656 IB4004 D MIO039 3 265.611 269.76 265.78 269.59 Let me check that I I di I didn't . S 269.38 IB4004 A MIO036 0 298.555 320.109 298.81 319.07 And um which is quite happy actually , I I also thought that some professors might enjoy , or at least uh don't don't say anything about , being with their assistants . So I was happy to hear Susan uh saying that Maggie and Bruno could well together , and Pierrette and uh Marianne in in the same office . 301.73 305.64 308.68 310.04 315.89 319.07 IB4004 C FIE037 2 311.141 311.778 311.27 311.66 Yeah . 311.66 IB4004 A MIO036 0 320.109 358.304 320.36 358.304 Um so what I can say is uh that I also understood that Susan would be rather in favour of uh , well , having her own office , so uh it's it's it's working like this . I put the lounge in the middle . It's also one of the rooms with the fewer uh the fewest uh windows . So I think that's not a problem , because you're not going to just stay there and stare outside . Uh but it's it's nicer to have a nicer view from your office , I guess . I don't know . Yeah , maybe , I thought in an angle , but that's obviously not very 328.81 329.1 330.31 333.4 335.5 339.49 341.23 345.58 348.62 352.9 353.39 353.63 353.89 355.0 IB4004 C FIE037 2 330.246 331.593 330.37 331.593 Yes . 331.33 IB4004 D MIO039 3 349.296 352.3 349.32 351.96 Yeah , but putting the printer in the lounge is just killing the lounge . 349.42 351.96 IB4004 D MIO039 3 355.842 360.279 355.96 360.279 It's not a question where it is , it's a question of you are printing all the time so 357.2 IB4004 C FIE037 2 356.704 357.752 356.72 357.65 No yeah . 357.65 IB4004 C FIE037 2 359.392 361.584 359.41 361.54 Yeah , why not put the printer out in the hallway ? 359.69 361.54 IB4004 A MIO036 0 360.352 368.432 360.44 368.31 Yeah . Okay and so next to the photocopy maybe it wouldn't be a bad place . Here ? Okay . 361.66 365.53 366.62 368.31 IB4004 D MIO039 3 360.279 360.304 361.79 362.28 uh - IB4004 D MIO039 3 361.52 364.14 361.79 364.14 Yeah , that's that's a possible . 362.28 364.0 IB4004 D MIO039 3 364.695 366.513 364.81 366.32 Yeah . Why not ? 365.96 366.32 IB4004 C FIE037 2 366.16 369.28 366.26 369.23 It is there enough space there for a photocopy and printer . 369.23 IB4004 A MIO036 0 370.336 410.409 370.36 410.3 Yeah , we'll have to check tha yeah , but the printer is quite small if we fi find just a small table for it . maybe one day we'll have a photocopy that is also a printer . So okay , but uh I wouldn't well insist on this I think okay , so the printer , well , we'll remove it if we work from this uh this solution . So uh I_M_two is more or less in the upper left side . Um I said more or less um uh upper uh lower left side uh you have SwissTra and , so the two projects from the list . And then on the on the right side . 370.74 372.85 376.96 380.59 381.82 384.66 385.42 385.98 389.92 394.94 403.17 406.03 410.3 IB4004 C FIE037 2 370.599 372.448 370.76 372.4 The photocopy is a bit big . 372.4 IB4004 A MIO036 0 410.409 441.584 410.64 441.55 Maybe not a ver a very good solution for Gisella . If you can suggest something uh better , because she's with two people who uh well , two P_H_D_ students , and it's true that she has , yeah , a lot of phone calls to make , but um it's some way to to solve some constraints . I think this is a very open thing . Uh if you want we can use this document or we could just , say , first listen to your suggestions and see if we erase everything or just do some modifications using this one . 413.26 415.96 419.01 420.93 422.42 422.61 424.83 428.64 431.33 435.05 435.16 441.55 IB4004 C FIE037 2 440.73 446.257 440.82 446.07 Well , I've a question . What's the justification for giving Nancy her own office ? 441.23 442.88 446.07 IB4004 A MIO036 0 447.264 469.438 447.28 469.07 Um yeah , maybe not a very strong one . Then they maybe you are you have better suggestions . Um it was I think sort of one of the uh places they re that remain and I I think , yeah , there is no strong constraint and uh well , she's a smoker , but the policy is that we don't smoke , so it's even better if she's uh with a second person . 448.49 449.86 453.19 459.19 459.35 462.27 463.18 465.07 469.07 IB4004 D MIO039 3 464.021 471.936 464.021 471.88 uh I would have I would have a provocative suggestion to put Gisella to switch Nancy and Gisella . 471.88 IB4004 C FIE037 2 465.277 466.955 465.53 466.72 Mm doesn't help , yeah . 466.44 466.72 IB4004 A MIO036 0 472.896 475.11 472.92 474.7 Uh-huh . Okay . 474.18 474.7 IB4004 D MIO039 3 474.11 481.3 474.13 481.3 Put Gisella , the fax , and the printing machine the printer in the one person room as a as a 474.96 475.42 IB4004 A MIO036 0 480.208 480.784 480.23 480.69 Uh-huh . 480.69 IB4004 C FIE037 2 480.078 489.706 480.24 489.706 Well , Gisella will not be very happy about that uh . We tried that and Gisella really didn't like to have a printer and people in and out all the time and uh 480.9 484.03 IB4004 D MIO039 3 487.032 491.073 487.36 491.073 Okay , so the printer that's that's not the s not the hard constraint but uh 487.56 IB4004 A MIO036 0 488.832 489.36 488.85 489.33 Mm-hmm . 489.33 IB4004 C FIE037 2 490.16 494.23 490.21 494.03 Uh remember Andrei , that was uh yeah yeah . 491.21 494.03 IB4004 A MIO036 0 490.608 497.52 490.63 497.52 Yeah mm . Yeah , that was the case and uh she was a bit uh reluctant , but 491.85 492.03 496.3 IB4004 D MIO039 3 494.672 496.586 494.69 496.48 'Cause I really do think it's important to have - IB4004 D MIO039 3 497.44 509.936 497.46 509.86 an admin room clearly identified as an admin room and only an admin room , where you have files , where yeah , you can close it , you have the personal files of the of the people of the of the of the unit etcetera , etcetera . 502.62 504.31 504.7 505.53 509.45 509.86 IB4004 A MIO036 0 498.56 499.09 498.59 498.99 Mm-hmm . 498.99 IB4004 A MIO036 0 502.288 506.192 502.31 506.03 Yeah , we could store files there and things like that . Mm-hmm . 502.54 505.84 506.03 IB4004 A MIO036 0 510.352 515.52 510.37 514.98 Okay , so if you want I can already do this change here . 510.62 514.98 IB4004 D MIO039 3 511.804 519.424 512.06 519.39 So for instance I be fully against the fact that my personal files are in f in a in a room that is not specifically dedicated for that . 519.39 IB4004 B MIO094 1 521.664 525.904 521.68 525.87 Because the professors uh , you have personal printer or there is only one printer ? 523.04 525.87 IB4004 A MIO036 0 521.683 524.048 521.74 524.048 Sorry you're - IB4004 A MIO036 0 528.128 529.378 528.15 528.79 Um . 528.79 IB4004 B MIO094 1 528.736 531.696 528.76 531.65 Because if not the person the printer can go in a room of three people . 531.65 IB4004 B MIO094 1 532.704 536.416 532.73 536.38 That's typical of case where there's the lab and there's the printer is there . 536.38 IB4004 A MIO036 0 535.168 536.736 535.21 536.59 Mm-hmm . 536.59 IB4004 D MIO039 3 537.424 541.966 537.424 541.9 printer can be in the in the in the corridor . That's uh that's uh that's perfectly alright . 539.82 541.9 IB4004 A MIO036 0 539.216 553.296 539.24 553.26 Yeah , th yeah th when the printer is , yeah , it's it's the main one . We have a secondary one which we could try to accommodate in another room , but it's basically , yeah , the peop the the printer where everybody prints . Um so I change this . 539.46 541.21 541.48 542.76 546.13 547.02 547.2 550.54 553.26 IB4004 A MIO036 0 554.544 572.621 554.56 572.54 So maybe I would suggest let me le k can I hear also let us hear from you . And then if we can work out a solu a common solution from this one , then we go back to to this slide . And if not , um we'll just , well start from scratch . Um . 561.25 565.62 567.77 568.77 570.0 572.01 572.54 IB4004 D MIO039 3 571.552 576.336 571.71 576.336 I'm perfectly alright to share the room with you has a view on the old town . That's um 575.23 IB4004 A MIO036 0 577.04 578.72 577.1 578.69 Mm-hmm . Okay . 578.13 578.69 IB4004 D MIO039 3 578.64 586.661 578.66 586.55 You have to be aware of what I was saying last time was that you have to suffer some suffer from fro from phone calls . 586.55 IB4004 A MIO036 0 582.176 582.56 582.2 582.42 Yeah . 582.42 IB4004 C FIE037 2 583.216 584.592 583.24 584.54 Lot's of phone calls . Yeah . 584.42 584.54 IB4004 A MIO036 0 586.764 590.128 586.9 590.128 Yeah , I'll try . I'll bring my walkman and uh 587.17 587.7 IB4004 D MIO039 3 588.311 592.07 588.53 592.02 So if you have a walkman that's that's good . 592.02 IB4004 C FIE037 2 590.688 594.186 590.688 594.186 Earplugs uh whatever . 594.07 IB4004 A MIO036 0 593.36 598.535 593.38 598.535 Yeah . Uh David , you had also uh what's 594.76 595.64 IB4004 B MIO094 1 597.392 625.696 597.41 625.66 Yeah , okay , for me uh , as uh I don't know l uh the people a lot , uh you suggested that uh there's a la a lack of men s so , I would re certainly put uh not two men in the same office . I would try to share them with the women so uh for example in your slide I could uh switch either you or Martin with uh uh the other room . This one . 597.71 598.01 599.72 604.23 608.54 612.59 625.22 625.66 IB4004 A MIO036 0 612.848 613.216 612.89 613.07 Ah . 613.07 IB4004 A MIO036 0 626.611 635.968 626.75 635.968 Uh-huh . Oh let me put the plan , sorry . I will display uh yeah , this is the empty one . I don't want to influence you . So so you would put uh 627.58 628.77 629.25 630.96 631.83 633.47 IB4004 B MIO094 1 627.371 628.432 627.79 628.27 So . 628.27 IB4004 B MIO094 1 629.313 630.835 629.36 630.74 Yes please . 630.74 IB4004 C FIE037 2 635.088 638.923 635.11 638.923 So , yeah , you have to show us which one you were talking about David , we didn't 635.43 635.7 638.1 IB4004 A MIO036 0 638.368 638.64 638.39 638.61 Yeah . 638.61 IB4004 B MIO094 1 639.408 642.279 639.43 642.17 Yeah yeah , I was wanting to change this wa 639.87 IB4004 A MIO036 0 641.254 641.876 641.41 641.67 Yeah . 641.67 IB4004 C FIE037 2 641.808 642.889 641.85 642.78 Ah the centre room . 642.78 IB4004 A MIO036 0 642.727 645.968 642.75 645.92 Mm-hmm . you can you can even stand and just show us there . 643.39 645.92 IB4004 B MIO094 1 643.107 643.778 643.21 643.43 Mm-hmm . 643.43 IB4004 B MIO094 1 645.584 650.576 645.584 650.46 Yeah , but I need your uh your slide , because I was talking about your slide . 646.63 648.63 650.46 IB4004 A MIO036 0 650.784 661.2 650.82 661.17 Okay , so we would prefer the names . Okay I I don't want to influence you too much , but uh mm I'm perfectly happy to start with this as the basis and then change things . 651.13 652.73 655.05 661.17 IB4004 D MIO039 3 661.721 666.086 661.85 666.086 Yeah , because there are plenty of things that are that are okay so uh 662.04 IB4004 B MIO094 1 664.176 676.752 664.2 676.72 Yes , so here you can see that the the the men is I mean , they are always sh sharing the room with a g with a woman . I mean , there's Bruno , me , uh Pierrette and Nikos is a guy also . 664.4 667.39 670.52 670.76 671.98 673.27 676.72 IB4004 A MIO036 0 665.136 667.038 665.22 667.038 Yeah , maybe in different , just 665.46 666.31 IB4004 A MIO036 0 676.87 678.744 676.97 678.744 Uh-huh . Oh 678.06 IB4004 D MIO039 3 676.966 680.03 677.21 679.89 Yeah but for Pierrette an and Maggie it's uh it's . 679.89 IB4004 D MIO039 3 681.04 684.572 681.06 684.572 It's a wish or it's uh it's because they - IB4004 A MIO036 0 681.872 688.064 682.14 687.87 Mm-hmm . Or actually , Pierrette is a woman too . Yeah , it's the feminine of Pierre . 682.63 683.35 685.93 686.55 687.87 IB4004 B MIO094 1 684.625 687.459 684.91 687.41 Oh . Sorry for this . 686.26 687.41 IB4004 B MIO094 1 688.56 695.264 688.6 695.23 Mm-hmm . So I mean , this is perfectly fine , I will just send Martin and Andrei for Maria or or Yalina or Nancy , maybe . 689.32 690.14 691.04 695.02 695.23 IB4004 B MIO094 1 696.592 697.433 696.65 697.433 So - IB4004 D MIO039 3 696.64 699.36 696.66 699.33 I didn't get your solution . What was it again ? 698.67 699.33 IB4004 B MIO094 1 699.68 712.96 699.7 712.93 Yeah , here there are two men . So I mea yeah . I it's nice . I don't think I mean there's a lack of men here , in in in this in this lab . So I would change one , switch one . 700.01 702.24 704.79 705.71 707.7 710.63 712.34 712.93 IB4004 D MIO039 3 701.271 701.744 701.5 701.7 So ? 701.7 IB4004 C FIE037 2 702.243 704.162 702.47 704.0 Uh he wants to mix sexes . 704.0 IB4004 A MIO036 0 704.16 704.719 704.18 704.63 Uh-huh . 704.63 IB4004 D MIO039 3 704.671 706.532 704.92 706.32 Ah , okay . 705.91 706.32 IB4004 A MIO036 0 705.69 707.192 705.69 707.04 bad . 707.04 IB4004 A MIO036 0 713.905 714.528 714.11 714.47 Yeah . 714.47 IB4004 D MIO039 3 714.044 720.064 714.23 720.064 But that's not so much a question of uh men or women , it's more the question of , as I said , that's uh 716.65 717.99 718.79 IB4004 D MIO039 3 722.113 730.709 722.13 730.709 Um here you have only P_ you have P_H_D_ students that are a group . There you have s senior researchers that are a group , which is to me more 726.29 729.16 IB4004 A MIO036 0 728.0 728.592 728.13 728.54 Mm-hmm . 728.54 IB4004 D MIO039 3 731.504 741.504 731.53 741.504 Unless it corresponds to some specific demand like it is in the case in Maggie Maggie's case and Pierrette's case . I think that's a very efficient way of doing things , because 738.62 741.2 IB4004 A MIO036 0 733.887 734.288 733.97 734.22 Yeah . 734.22 IB4004 A MIO036 0 740.672 741.056 740.69 741.02 Mm-hmm . 741.02 IB4004 A MIO036 0 742.32 769.392 742.34 769.34 Yeah , and for me it's also uh I would prefer maybe not to be in a three person office , just to be a bit calmer , and , Martin , so I'm very happy with you since I proposed it . But I could also be happy with most of the other people , so even in a three person room . It's it's fine . Okay , so let's keep in mind , maybe , this uh constraint of balancing the the genders uh we'll see if we can uh do something for it . 742.63 746.72 749.2 749.67 750.29 753.72 756.67 758.49 760.01 760.27 761.37 761.66 769.34 IB4004 D MIO039 3 746.768 752.063 746.79 751.96 Yeah , mm I'm perfectly happy with with Andrei so . 747.35 751.96 IB4004 B MIO094 1 753.765 754.417 753.765 752.646 . 752.646 IB4004 D MIO039 3 756.367 758.099 756.82 758.099 Sure but um - IB4004 C FIE037 2 770.464 773.248 770.51 773.21 Andrei did you ask these people if this was okay with them ? 773.21 IB4004 A MIO036 0 773.632 806.128 773.65 806.09 Uh I've asked some of them , and I've also used a little bit uh what I've well , I mean the the present arrangement , just not to to shock people too much . And it's also people that I know um get on well quite quite well together , and also work on the same project , like for instance , Marianne , uh uh the Finnish Marianne , and uh Nikos who interact quite a lot on uh on . Um , yeah , Maria and Yalina seem uh to go on one quite quite well . 776.35 779.23 781.17 783.89 788.79 790.46 791.45 792.46 794.75 798.38 798.49 798.91 806.09 IB4004 A MIO036 0 807.184 823.152 807.21 822.82 Uh Nancy had no strong preference , specially since she's no longer allowed to smoke in in her office . Um yeah , so I think , well , at least as far as I I asked there was no major objection . 810.11 815.11 816.88 817.7 817.96 822.82 IB4004 D MIO039 3 822.176 826.848 822.2 826.81 But isn't there just a a a question of proximity you put David with Agnes ? 826.81 IB4004 D MIO039 3 828.176 830.752 828.23 830.72 Um but isn't Agnes working - IB4004 D MIO039 3 833.024 840.112 833.04 840.08 um in a in a more substantial way in uh with people like uh either Maria or Yalina ? 840.08 IB4004 A MIO036 0 842.32 843.904 842.34 843.87 Um . 843.87 IB4004 A MIO036 0 844.96 854.432 844.98 854.4 Yeah , that's true . That's true . I um so we could put Nancy with David and uh put Agnes yeah . 845.35 846.77 847.94 854.4 IB4004 C FIE037 2 845.072 845.967 845.38 845.78 Yes . 845.78 IB4004 D MIO039 3 850.514 851.641 850.75 851.641 'Cause - IB4004 C FIE037 2 853.264 855.536 853.28 855.536 Yeah , but Agnes is also working with David , so 853.46 855.24 IB4004 B MIO094 1 855.624 861.512 855.624 861.512 but we agree that it's not important to to share the room with someone that has the same project . 861.43 IB4004 D MIO039 3 855.84 857.162 855.86 857.05 Yeah , yeah , I I know . 856.07 856.51 857.05 IB4004 A MIO036 0 859.792 860.336 859.92 860.3 Mm-hmm . 860.3 IB4004 D MIO039 3 859.794 865.488 860.25 865.488 No , that's true that's true . the other constraints are are satisfied somehow so 860.42 861.65 IB4004 A MIO036 0 866.048 866.848 866.27 866.8 Mm-hmm . 866.8 IB4004 B MIO094 1 867.232 872.592 867.232 872.56 quite happy to have the the full room some fifty per cent of the time . 872.56 IB4004 A MIO036 0 874.096 881.074 874.12 880.36 Yeah , that's a small advantage and uh I it's a bit more uh more comfortable , actually . Um . 874.32 879.09 879.99 880.36 IB4004 D MIO039 3 874.632 875.905 874.632 875.905 . 875.905 IB4004 D MIO039 3 879.771 897.68 880.03 897.65 No but what I mean it was was the three the two three person rooms , I think that they can mix them the way they want . I mean if they prefer to be uh Maria tha uh Yalina and Nikos , and Nancy and Marianne on the other side well , no that's not completely equivalent , because Nancy all are P_H_D_ students or masters students , but Nancy . Correct ? 883.21 885.53 889.74 891.93 893.18 896.39 897.42 897.65 IB4004 C FIE037 2 879.451 880.898 880.1 880.898 Yeah , but there's 880.26 IB4004 A MIO036 0 897.936 898.704 897.98 898.63 Mm-hmm . 898.63 IB4004 C FIE037 2 900.704 903.866 900.73 903.76 Yeah , but that doesn't mat that's not important . 901.01 903.76 IB4004 D MIO039 3 902.896 903.296 902.92 903.26 Oh . 903.26 IB4004 C FIE037 2 904.432 917.906 904.45 917.85 There w one question I was wondering about though , 'cause three is always uh well the more people in a office uh the less ideal , that wouldn't it maybe be better to put David in , since he's only half-time . So that way , then 906.37 912.14 914.68 916.41 917.47 IB4004 A MIO036 0 904.64 905.856 904.66 905.78 Yeah , maybe . 904.9 905.78 IB4004 D MIO039 3 910.375 911.149 910.71 911.09 Yeah . 911.09 IB4004 A MIO036 0 911.68 913.04 911.85 912.61 Mm-hmm . 912.61 IB4004 D MIO039 3 916.107 916.612 916.28 916.56 Yeah . 916.56 IB4004 A MIO036 0 917.68 919.984 917.7 919.88 Yeah . Very good . Mm-hmm . 918.63 919.3 919.88 IB4004 D MIO039 3 918.374 919.028 918.59 918.72 Yeah . 918.72 IB4004 C FIE037 2 918.396 920.496 918.61 920.46 there's not three people all the time . 920.46 IB4004 D MIO039 3 919.465 922.736 919.76 922.68 Yeah . So I would switch David and Nancy typically . 920.77 922.68 IB4004 A MIO036 0 923.232 925.44 923.26 925.44 Mm-hmm . Yeah , probably 924.49 924.81 IB4004 D MIO039 3 924.366 940.64 924.76 940.58 Which doesn't mean that David should be in this room . He could be in the other one . For me uh the two three people rooms are really they have to be uh re-shuffled according to people personal preferences . But I definitely would put uh Nancy with Agnes in the two person room . 927.04 928.36 935.79 940.58 IB4004 A MIO036 0 928.192 929.024 928.45 928.91 Mm-hmm . 928.91 IB4004 A MIO036 0 932.337 933.344 932.83 933.1 Yeah . 933.1 IB4004 C FIE037 2 934.304 934.9 934.48 934.8 Yeah . 934.8 IB4004 A MIO036 0 935.457 938.016 935.61 938.016 So Agnes has worked - IB4004 A MIO036 0 940.64 951.584 940.67 951.584 Mm-hmm . They they have worked together on , so this makes some sense . Um at yeah , I mean 941.34 943.29 946.01 950.32 IB4004 D MIO039 3 944.14 945.165 944.29 945.09 Yeah . 945.09 IB4004 D MIO039 3 947.408 953.257 947.43 953.257 But again , it's also a question of personal preference . I mean you you can't be in a room with person you don't want to be with . 947.74 949.38 952.59 IB4004 A MIO036 0 952.736 958.212 952.76 958.15 Yeah , as far as I know I think it's probably quite a good uh uh good match . 953.09 958.15 IB4004 B MIO094 1 957.344 961.877 957.36 961.877 Is there anyone that is going to finish P_H_D_ or or leave or - IB4004 C FIE037 2 961.12 967.936 961.14 967.7 Uh no . Uh Maria is Maria is the closest , but she's still not uh uh yeah . 963.33 966.2 967.7 IB4004 A MIO036 0 963.964 971.2 963.98 971.2 First one should be Maria , but it's still uh one and a half . Okay , let's switch uh 965.36 968.19 968.48 IB4004 B MIO094 1 968.128 969.54 968.128 969.54 . 969.54 IB4004 D MIO039 3 968.656 985.856 968.68 985.856 I see if you do it this way , you mean that in the two three people room there will be one that is not so overloaded , because of David , because David will be part time and the other one not so overloaded , because there is uh one free position uh , knowing that this one free position uh will not stay free very long . 969.92 974.41 975.56 978.75 981.51 985.53 IB4004 A MIO036 0 975.008 976.72 975.05 976.68 Mm-hmm , yeah . 975.7 976.68 IB4004 C FIE037 2 985.776 989.648 985.8 989.61 No , because don't forget we already have somebody coming in uh January . 986.14 989.61 IB4004 D MIO039 3 989.686 990.73 989.73 990.73 Yes so - IB4004 A MIO036 0 990.699 991.872 990.8 991.71 Mm-hmm . 991.71 IB4004 C FIE037 2 992.176 993.2 992.2 993.17 At least one person . 993.17 IB4004 A MIO036 0 993.12 995.143 993.12 995.143 I'll just uh - IB4004 D MIO039 3 993.712 1001.062 993.73 1000.71 And this is still a worry for me , because we are still we don't still still don't have enough space for the visitors . 995.27 1000.71 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1002.523 1004.711 1002.72 1004.24 Unless we put them in the lounge . 1004.24 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1002.784 1007.904 1002.8 1007.904 Yeah . Mm yeah , I I don't think 1003.06 1005.95 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1004.861 1008.592 1004.95 1008.56 Yeah . Or we make four space in the three people rooom . 1006.05 1008.56 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1005.53 1006.776 1005.71 1006.51 Therefore I w - IB4004 D MIO039 3 1008.112 1009.193 1008.13 1008.96 Yeah . Yeah . 1008.78 1008.96 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1010.726 1024.224 1010.85 1024.06 Yeah , so s s okay so since we are supposed to do a final proposal . Sorry , uh let me move the printer um next to the photocopier . 1011.49 1018.53 1019.09 1024.06 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1011.328 1016.341 1011.35 1016.341 We need to have at least three visitors' position , because positions , because 1014.07 1015.95 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1021.212 1022.133 1021.38 1022.02 Outside . 1022.02 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1024.336 1024.709 1024.38 1024.63 Yeah . 1024.63 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1024.144 1024.678 1024.4 1024.52 Yeah . 1024.52 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1025.264 1032.528 1025.28 1032.48 Okay . And we'll find some way to um , well , attach it to a wall or something like this . 1026.34 1030.04 1030.24 1032.48 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1032.464 1034.304 1032.464 1034.27 So that we keep it , you mean . 1033.99 1034.27 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1035.072 1046.56 1035.19 1046.56 Yeah , I think so , yeah . Um okay , so that's the uh mm-hmm . Uh I don't think we can put visitors in the lounge , it's uh 1035.58 1036.24 1038.06 1039.13 1043.56 1045.74 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1046.112 1065.536 1046.27 1065.5 It depends it depends on how we think about the lounge . If it's thought as being a reading room . No . If it's thought as the que that that's really a very important question to me . Do we do we put priority on the fact of being able to read newspapers in our in our offices or in our uh work place ? We can read newspapers elsewhere . 1048.71 1050.9 1051.45 1055.56 1063.99 1065.5 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1049.824 1052.336 1049.84 1052.18 Yeah . Yeah . 1051.78 1052.18 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1065.984 1066.72 1066.01 1066.39 Mm-hmm . 1066.39 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1066.64 1094.215 1066.66 1094.17 And I really do think it's more important for lab to be able to decently uh welcome visitors that come to the lab than to have a place for reading newspapers . Newspapers you can read them home . know we can go to the cafeteria or you can sit somewhere else . You can go on the balcony if it's if it's in the summer . So I I don't understand why we why we should put priority on lounges if we if we don't have enough space for accommodating visitors . That's just not not according to my priorities . 1075.72 1077.53 1080.43 1082.78 1091.28 1094.17 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1080.0 1080.4 1080.1 1080.37 Yeah . 1080.37 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1083.625 1085.03 1084.16 1085.03 It's - IB4004 A MIO036 0 1090.973 1091.68 1090.99 1091.53 Mm-hmm . 1091.53 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1092.565 1093.328 1092.97 1093.25 How - IB4004 A MIO036 0 1094.336 1113.056 1094.36 1113.02 how would it be to put the lounge in one of the smaller offices ? Like in , well , in in one of the one person offices ? W I I know they are actually quite uh quite demanded , so um I th I think , Susan , you are very happy with this solution , so okay . In Gisell 1098.73 1100.28 1100.56 1103.41 1106.49 1108.64 1108.95 1110.44 1112.35 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1109.762 1113.635 1110.13 1113.635 Yes , yes . 1110.49 1113.55 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1110.306 1118.004 1110.47 1118.004 S so let's let's put the lounge in Susan's office , and Susan's in Susan in the lounge with three visitors mm ? 1112.98 1117.86 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1114.427 1119.241 1114.427 1119.241 That's an excellent idea . 1119.16 IB4004 B MIO094 1 1116.96 1120.352 1116.98 1120.21 No , but a lounge in a one person room is really too small . 1117.36 1120.21 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1119.824 1124.4 1119.84 1124.35 Yeah , it's probably too small . Okay , yeah , doesn't work . Mm . 1120.12 1121.36 1121.65 1121.85 1123.12 1124.35 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1120.339 1122.793 1120.51 1122.42 It's too small for a uh yeah . 1122.42 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1123.05 1147.824 1123.17 1147.79 I would advocate to just remove the lounge . We it's a luxury for us . We don't have space for a lounge . It's let's be you you cannot you cannot go at the at the at the at the in front of your colleagues and saying , I p if I have to choose between uh reading my newspaper and disc and having a a decently welcomed uh v uh research visitor , I prefer to read my newspaper . That's just not that's just not realistic . I mean , we are researchers . 1125.04 1126.91 1128.99 1135.42 1142.63 1144.12 1146.76 1147.0 1147.79 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1126.88 1127.602 1126.94 1127.37 Mm-hmm . 1127.37 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1129.712 1133.264 1130.11 1132.77 Okay , let's be innovative . Um . 1130.43 1132.41 1132.77 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1145.152 1155.76 1145.19 1155.76 Mm-hmm . But the problem is it it has been decided by everyone and approved by the school that we we need the lounge , so I I think it's simply not 1146.82 1153.73 IB4004 B MIO094 1 1155.856 1157.907 1155.88 1157.56 No no , I don't think we can choose . 1156.15 1157.56 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1157.952 1164.336 1157.952 1164.29 No actually , uh I I'm sorry , it's uh yeah . Mm-hmm . 1159.56 1160.73 1163.61 1164.29 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1158.634 1159.677 1158.99 1159.64 But then ? 1159.64 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1160.845 1183.115 1160.92 1182.93 Then you have the three people room , that positions , split it in two parts as as Susan was was uh proposing last time was a ha was a wall and you have a lounge there can read your newspapers and we have a full two room two person room where we can certainly accommodate three visitors . And at least we have some uh free margin for the next two years , or the next year . 1162.44 1163.8 1177.94 1182.01 1182.93 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1181.072 1185.584 1181.09 1185.52 Oh . Okay so so how do we split the room ? 1182.18 1185.52 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1186.512 1188.416 1186.53 1188.38 The the three people over there . 1188.38 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1186.576 1194.955 1186.6 1194.77 We put it the the furniture that we got for our reading room , we put it into the other half of the three person room . 1191.22 1194.77 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1189.248 1191.2 1189.27 1191.15 This one . Uh-huh . 1190.69 1191.15 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1194.928 1199.806 1194.97 1199.806 Yeah . And put uh uh mm 1195.49 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1195.408 1197.808 1195.52 1197.808 Mm-hmm . So 1196.97 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1195.72 1196.908 1195.72 1196.72 Would that fit ? 1196.72 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1197.856 1199.554 1197.88 1199.32 A little divider of some kind . 1199.32 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1198.397 1202.481 1198.51 1202.4 Yeah . But what about if people want to have a small discussion in the lounge ? 1199.11 1202.4 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1201.761 1205.734 1202.06 1205.6 They are not supposed to have a discussion in the lounge , they are supposed to read their newspapers . 1203.93 1205.6 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1206.64 1207.855 1206.66 1207.58 And to drink their coffee . 1207.58 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1206.832 1210.512 1206.85 1210.48 Well , not the newspapers , because no scientific articles . 1207.03 1208.08 1210.48 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1207.08 1208.982 1207.22 1208.91 Well not just newspapers . 1208.91 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1210.576 1217.136 1210.6 1217.1 Uh scientific articles . No that's not that wasn't the goal . The the goal of the lounge was was a place where you can relax . 1212.01 1213.84 1217.1 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1212.624 1213.168 1212.64 1213.13 Journals . 1213.13 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1217.616 1219.824 1217.66 1219.62 Uh-huh . Yeah . 1218.92 1219.62 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1218.672 1220.565 1218.69 1220.35 But also to read articles . 1220.35 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1220.32 1222.371 1220.32 1221.87 you can do it in your office . 1221.87 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1222.971 1227.616 1223.07 1227.58 So you would like to put it , yeah , within yeah , and then who who yeah . 1224.37 1224.6 1225.6 1227.58 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1225.651 1233.294 1225.651 1233.15 it's it's it's you have a good chairs to read newspapers that you don't want to break you heart your your your your back your office . 1233.15 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1232.848 1249.104 1232.88 1248.96 Yeah . Yeah okay , but then that means that we'll put the lounge on the right side , uh here . And uh here we'll put two places for visitors . Three . But that means the office will be at least for the moment empty . That looks very bad . 1233.45 1234.04 1238.38 1239.54 1243.84 1244.17 1247.63 1248.96 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1237.92 1238.307 1237.99 1238.22 Yes . 1238.22 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1238.256 1238.764 1238.29 1238.68 Mm-hmm . 1238.68 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1239.392 1239.755 1239.41 1239.57 Yes . 1239.57 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1243.2 1243.504 1243.22 1243.45 Three . 1243.45 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1247.701 1252.146 1247.72 1252.0 No , we have our visitor that is arriving . Uh what did you say , Susan ? 1248.37 1250.45 1251.58 1252.0 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1251.392 1255.808 1251.41 1255.77 It's not a visitor . It's a a new p p full-time person arriving in January . 1252.28 1255.77 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1253.025 1255.645 1253.025 1255.645 uh okay . 1255.43 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1255.936 1260.957 1255.96 1260.957 Okay , so that could take the the free place over there . Uh I mean 1256.27 1259.86 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1260.112 1262.176 1260.13 1262.176 No , that's where we're gonna put the lounge . 1260.33 1261.96 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1260.167 1267.113 1260.2 1267.113 No no . That could take one one positions in the in the lo in the 1262.82 IB4004 B MIO094 1 1262.912 1263.267 1262.93 1263.23 No . 1263.23 IB4004 B MIO094 1 1265.472 1268.648 1265.49 1268.47 Let's put m Maria or Yalina in the in the in this place . 1268.47 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1269.202 1279.232 1269.44 1279.05 Yeah , I think okay , so we need what , two , three positions and one new person arriving , X_ or something like that . 1269.7 1271.71 1272.86 1273.02 1277.77 1279.05 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1279.248 1294.208 1279.27 1294.16 Ah okay , that that's an idea . if if if if you forget about the lounge . What you could do is to move either Mari Maria or Yalina in the in the mm what is currently the lounge . That means that we have one person there with one free position . 1279.63 1280.81 1283.72 1289.41 1294.16 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1279.408 1280.061 1279.43 1280.061 Well for - IB4004 A MIO036 0 1281.04 1281.888 1281.17 1281.83 Okay . 1281.83 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1283.184 1283.712 1283.21 1283.62 Mm-hmm . 1283.62 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1288.752 1289.264 1288.77 1289.23 Mm-hmm . 1289.23 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1295.376 1306.854 1295.4 1306.854 We have one free position in the in the room that Maria or Yalina is coming from and one free position over there . So we have three position distributed over the rooms where we can accommodate 1302.38 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1301.93 1302.544 1302.13 1302.51 Mm-hmm . 1302.51 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1306.096 1307.44 1306.14 1307.41 And and where is the lounge ? 1307.41 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1307.728 1308.437 1307.77 1308.26 No lounge . 1308.26 IB4004 B MIO094 1 1307.968 1308.721 1308.0 1308.53 No lounge . 1308.53 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1308.448 1310.368 1308.48 1310.368 No no no no , we we have to 1309.39 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1308.631 1313.984 1308.72 1313.984 No okay , no way . I'll I'll have my head cut off if we don't have a lounge . So uh 1309.49 1310.28 1313.26 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1310.411 1311.628 1310.92 1311.28 Louge . 1311.28 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1312.5 1316.096 1312.89 1316.04 You take the furniture of the lounge and you put it in the corridor . 1316.04 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1312.763 1314.286 1313.13 1314.19 Yeah yeah yeah . 1314.19 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1316.384 1321.364 1316.384 1321.29 No , there's no space . The lounge is in the free space . 1317.55 1319.73 1321.29 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1316.8 1329.484 1316.82 1329.29 No no no no , let's do the lounge corner . Okay . At least . I mean otherwise I cannot really defend it , because it it was agreed and we cannot just come back on every every decision we made . 1317.85 1320.72 1322.05 1322.6 1324.51 1329.29 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1328.08 1332.643 1328.1 1332.643 After all that we went through to get the budget for it , we really have to uh 1331.3 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1331.04 1332.628 1331.06 1332.34 Yeah , I think so , yeah . 1331.29 1332.09 1332.34 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1331.425 1339.844 1331.425 1339.81 you you will explain to your visitors that unfortunately they have a position in the toilet , because there is a reading room where people have to relax . 1336.97 1339.81 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1333.552 1334.11 1333.57 1333.98 Okay . 1333.98 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1338.035 1342.08 1338.035 1341.91 No , wait a minute , yeah . 1341.31 1341.81 1341.91 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1339.414 1346.448 1339.46 1346.448 Well , let's have the visitors first . Okay , so what we need is a new and two . So 1339.75 1342.37 1342.61 1345.04 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1348.304 1354.544 1348.32 1354.544 I think we can put , what , Maria or Yalina ? I don't want to separate them really , but uh 1350.22 1350.5 1352.35 1353.94 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1355.76 1362.672 1355.78 1362.672 Oh . Mysel , I don't like that office actually . Um so I was thinking to put here 1356.69 1357.35 1360.21 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1362.882 1366.448 1363.43 1366.41 It could be Nikos , for instance . Could put you can switch . 1364.07 1364.56 1366.41 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1366.784 1372.845 1366.82 1372.59 No , we are not gonna keep Marianne in a three uh person place uh , just having Marianne in the lounge . Yeah . 1367.05 1370.65 1372.4 1372.59 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1370.879 1372.798 1371.04 1372.44 But it's a lounge . 1372.44 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1373.328 1375.984 1373.35 1375.984 Yeah , now . so it's either 1373.63 1374.93 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1376.953 1387.776 1377.02 1387.52 Y we could put the visitor with you , Martin , but it's probably okay , let's try le let's try this . Uh let's try Maria here . Oh , you don't mind ? 1378.46 1378.93 1380.07 1382.51 1385.69 1385.93 1387.52 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1379.63 1380.932 1379.86 1380.932 Yeah but then - IB4004 D MIO039 3 1382.368 1385.536 1382.39 1385.4 Yeah you could you could put me there . I mean , Andrei . 1384.74 1385.08 1385.4 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1387.408 1393.708 1387.46 1393.48 Because I will be there half time , and the visitors probably will not so much complain about phone calls . 1390.09 1393.48 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1389.312 1389.92 1389.33 1389.82 Perfect . 1389.82 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1392.864 1398.216 1392.9 1398.216 But wait a minute , then Andrei has a two person office all for himself . 1393.74 1398.12 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1396.8 1398.992 1396.82 1398.96 No no , we'll put a visitor place in there . 1397.14 1398.96 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1400.24 1401.584 1400.26 1401.43 If you don't mind . 1401.43 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1401.776 1406.288 1401.8 1406.03 Well there is this full-time person arriving in I I think it's really important to to plan with that . 1406.03 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1403.71 1404.417 1403.99 1404.14 Yeah . 1404.14 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1405.687 1407.664 1405.81 1407.62 Wha what's what's her name again , Andrei ? 1407.3 1407.62 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1407.872 1409.216 1407.89 1409.1 Uh I think it's Paola . 1409.1 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1409.248 1409.584 1409.27 1409.47 Paola . 1409.47 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1409.746 1410.239 1409.85 1410.03 Yeah . 1410.03 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1410.723 1411.406 1410.74 1411.31 Um . 1411.31 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1411.001 1413.04 1411.001 1413.01 would it be possible to have Paola in your office ? 1413.01 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1415.152 1416.448 1415.22 1416.36 Yeah , could be . 1415.74 1416.36 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1416.992 1430.653 1417.01 1430.653 'Cause that's that's something that we we should be deciding . Either you want to keep me in your office , which is alright , and then we have to forsee a place for Paola somewhere . I I think that's that's not realistic to have a planning 1419.34 1421.4 1422.66 1425.41 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1417.287 1418.597 1417.56 1418.597 If - IB4004 A MIO036 0 1419.695 1421.76 1419.82 1421.71 Yeah . Mm-hmm . 1421.27 1421.71 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1422.976 1424.999 1423.0 1424.92 No , I I would prefer you , I think . 1423.38 1424.32 1424.92 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1425.776 1428.32 1425.8 1428.22 Okay , let me keep you . 1426.61 1428.22 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1427.302 1429.68 1427.59 1429.64 Okay . Martin goes back to Andrei . 1428.28 1429.64 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1430.816 1435.008 1430.84 1434.85 Okay , we'll put Paola and a visitor here . 1431.38 1434.85 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1432.41 1433.386 1432.64 1433.09 Why didn - IB4004 A MIO036 0 1437.616 1440.368 1437.8 1440.15 So Paola is the new person . 1440.15 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1439.353 1439.943 1439.57 1439.82 Yeah . 1439.82 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1441.472 1450.88 1441.52 1450.84 And a visitor , uh vis . Is that vis one ? And then we'll we'll still have probably some way to put a second visitor here . Vis two . 1443.02 1443.82 1445.69 1450.15 1450.84 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1442.777 1443.872 1442.93 1443.83 That's visitor one . 1443.83 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1452.0 1452.649 1452.13 1452.53 Oops . 1452.53 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1453.456 1455.312 1453.49 1455.312 Sorry , it's not very nice , but 1454.02 1454.96 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1453.569 1454.303 1453.83 1454.22 Mm . 1454.22 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1458.238 1460.496 1458.27 1460.46 Does this display better ? 1460.46 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1465.6 1471.457 1465.62 1471.31 Um Paola well , Paola being new , I I think it would be better to put her with somebody else . 1467.79 1468.61 1471.31 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1466.42 1468.003 1466.46 1467.86 I think it's not bad . 1467.86 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1469.136 1471.872 1469.17 1471.84 Yeah , don't put her alone . Uh-huh . 1469.51 1471.35 1471.84 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1470.471 1472.016 1470.471 1471.91 somebody else . 1471.91 IB4004 B MIO094 1 1474.096 1482.56 1474.12 1482.53 Well , the the lounge can not be in here t with two people . I mean , you cannot go there and discuss and and two people working there in the room . 1474.37 1477.56 1478.53 1482.53 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1477.968 1478.32 1477.99 1478.28 Yeah . 1478.28 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1482.784 1499.92 1482.8 1499.48 Yeah . No , but we said that we won't discuss or maybe if we organise some kind of , you know , coffee at the end of the day , or a drink , then the two people will stop working . I don't know , maybe they won't be happy . Okay then , Martin let let me put you in that office and I'll put Paola with me . No ? 1483.1 1483.26 1487.71 1488.26 1489.61 1490.41 1492.57 1492.98 1494.34 1494.78 1499.2 1499.48 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1482.719 1485.21 1482.82 1485.15 Not supposed to discuss , you are supposed to relax . 1483.99 1485.15 IB4004 B MIO094 1 1495.392 1497.686 1495.392 1497.686 Sure not me . 1497.31 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1498.448 1500.544 1498.48 1500.45 No no put why not Maria or Yalina ? 1500.45 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1502.144 1503.872 1502.16 1503.84 So Martin goes where ? 1503.84 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1504.064 1506.053 1504.1 1506.02 Martin stays . Maria's . 1505.5 1506.02 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1505.584 1506.016 1505.6 1505.81 Yeah . 1505.81 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1504.744 1508.592 1505.69 1508.54 Because you don't want to separate Ma Maria and Yalina ? Why ? 1508.34 1508.54 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1507.616 1508.225 1507.64 1508.04 Okay . 1508.04 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1509.21 1514.159 1509.3 1514.159 'Cause Yalina , i it's not even sure she stays . It's a master student so uh 1509.74 1512.49 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1509.36 1510.384 1509.38 1510.34 Yeah , okay . 1509.91 1510.34 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1511.392 1516.003 1511.41 1515.86 Yeah , that's true . Okay , so let's put Maria in the separate office . 1511.7 1512.52 1512.8 1515.86 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1515.68 1515.968 1515.7 1515.93 Yeah . 1515.93 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1517.408 1522.368 1517.43 1522.33 And we have , yeah , and we have two visitors and a masters student and a p and a part-time person . 1517.98 1518.26 1522.33 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1521.232 1523.712 1521.27 1523.63 And we have Paola . 1523.63 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1524.176 1526.112 1524.176 1526.112 I was thinking the other way around . 1525.78 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1526.992 1528.764 1527.01 1528.65 Oh sorry , what were you thinking ? 1527.62 1528.65 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1527.749 1537.072 1527.77 1537.04 To keep Paola with Maria in the two people room and to have this one with two , Yalina and David in the three people room . 1534.96 1537.04 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1537.6 1540.528 1537.63 1540.46 So who is with Maria here ? Okay . 1539.84 1540.46 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1539.152 1539.424 1539.17 1539.39 Paola . 1539.39 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1541.552 1542.752 1541.57 1542.72 Yeah . And no visitor ? 1541.76 1542.72 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1542.912 1544.886 1542.94 1544.886 No , that's a two people room , so 1543.35 1544.32 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1545.456 1555.568 1545.48 1555.53 Yeah , but that means that this room , the middle one , would be quite empty . All the I mean , two visitors and the fifty per cent pers person , I don't think it's very uh reasonable . 1545.77 1547.52 1548.42 1549.91 1550.81 1552.98 1555.53 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1548.239 1548.778 1548.46 1548.6 Yep . 1548.6 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1550.592 1552.544 1550.61 1552.544 No , Yalina is there , David is there 1550.78 1551.53 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1557.632 1560.648 1557.632 1560.648 but you need to have to put visitors somewhere , I mean uh 1559.64 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1558.256 1558.88 1558.28 1558.88 Well , we have 1558.46 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1560.114 1562.224 1560.2 1561.93 Uh yeah . 1561.93 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1560.128 1564.464 1560.23 1564.464 Yeah , but let's split them a little bit , so that when there are no visitors , at least people are 1560.47 1561.84 1563.35 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1563.648 1563.952 1563.68 1563.91 Ah . 1563.91 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1564.928 1570.176 1564.95 1570.09 No , the rooms have to look like they're sort of occupied uh . Oterwise , we might uh lose room or two . 1565.13 1568.03 1568.52 1570.09 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1567.728 1568.656 1567.75 1568.62 Yeah , I think so . 1567.99 1568.62 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1570.304 1570.656 1570.39 1570.61 Oh . 1570.61 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1571.121 1571.911 1571.25 1571.74 Okay . 1571.74 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1571.344 1580.432 1571.36 1580.4 So this goes here goes visitor two . Paola is there . Here goes visitor one . And is this better ? 1574.78 1576.02 1578.63 1580.4 IB4004 B MIO094 1 1571.888 1573.846 1571.888 1573.846 That's true . 1573.66 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1574.192 1576.589 1574.21 1576.589 This is always the game . 1576.43 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1581.76 1584.0 1581.78 1583.93 Except that we cannot read it , but 1583.54 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1585.184 1587.152 1585.6 1587.152 apart from this - IB4004 D MIO039 3 1585.827 1587.077 1586.1 1587.077 Well - IB4004 D MIO039 3 1589.209 1591.36 1589.35 1591.02 It's a little bit crowded in . 1591.02 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1592.155 1604.909 1592.35 1604.909 'Cause you have well , not yet , of course , because Paola is not has not arrived , but uh starting from January , you will have two full-time person plus one part-time person plus one visitor that's 1594.17 1594.82 1595.21 1597.61 1599.36 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1596.752 1597.216 1596.77 1597.16 Mm-hmm . 1597.16 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1602.016 1618.032 1602.04 1617.97 Yeah , okay . Let me call this visitor one , which implies that uh it will be the first one occupied by a visitor when they come . And this visitor two which means it's like a , well , you know , second uh second chance . 1602.33 1603.25 1606.18 1611.07 1613.48 1614.17 1614.77 1617.97 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1606.098 1607.082 1606.38 1607.03 'Kay . 1607.03 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1609.892 1610.416 1610.07 1610.37 Okay . 1610.37 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1620.976 1623.568 1621.0 1623.568 But why couldn't we basically - IB4004 D MIO039 3 1625.696 1630.032 1625.74 1630.0 Move you , David , in this two people room with Maria ? 1626.44 1626.88 1630.0 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1631.52 1633.36 1631.54 1633.32 Or we could . What would this change ? 1632.32 1633.32 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1632.64 1635.488 1632.69 1635.44 Maria plus one half pa uh half-time person ? 1635.44 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1635.696 1636.32 1635.72 1636.16 Mm-hmm . 1636.16 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1638.432 1658.699 1638.45 1658.699 And you have Paola , Yalina , one visitor position , and I still keep hope that uh Marianne , Nikos that the lounge will on the , on on the on the long term disappear , because anyhow I don't believe there can be a lounge where in a place where there are already two people working . So the lounge will just die after some point and it uh it 1639.42 1640.3 1641.66 1643.73 1646.17 1650.13 1654.85 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1657.68 1662.016 1657.71 1662.016 No , but but look , Martin , it's quite a long room , it has two doors 1657.82 1658.65 1658.82 1660.53 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1660.534 1662.117 1660.58 1661.9 Still , I mean , . 1661.03 1661.9 1661.9 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1663.056 1665.456 1663.08 1665.31 Ah okay , ah it has two doors . Yeah , that's true . 1663.69 1664.7 1664.84 1665.31 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1663.36 1665.344 1663.38 1665.26 Oh yeah , very good . 1664.76 1665.26 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1666.4 1668.88 1666.61 1668.67 Yeah , so maybe in the long run we'll get a wall . 1666.92 1668.67 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1667.505 1672.589 1667.62 1672.52 Ah yeah , but then then yeah , okay okay . Okay , that's true . 'Kay then then there will be a wall . Okay . 1667.88 1668.48 1669.42 1669.8 1670.5 1672.23 1672.52 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1671.248 1680.352 1671.27 1680.22 Uh-huh . Al although there are three windows , but um okay . So where would we move David to Maria Da with Maria . Do you have any preferences , David ? Um . 1671.72 1673.15 1675.23 1677.77 1678.86 1679.58 1680.22 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1674.368 1675.124 1674.43 1674.96 Yeah , that's good . 1674.55 1674.96 IB4004 B MIO094 1 1679.447 1681.12 1679.63 1681.08 Uh it's completely fine . 1681.08 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1679.518 1687.245 1679.64 1687.0 Uh she she wa she wants mixing peo uh men and women , so or she he . Yeah , right . 1682.86 1686.0 1686.9 1687.0 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1683.088 1687.31 1683.11 1686.85 Well , he already is mixed . So , yeah . 1683.26 1686.05 1686.67 1686.85 IB4004 B MIO094 1 1684.032 1693.104 1684.032 1693.07 Then uh the two visitors will be in one room , but doesn't that's fine , because maybe there are not two visitors at the same time . Uh we'll see . 1689.13 1690.22 1692.61 1693.07 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1690.905 1691.579 1691.16 1691.43 Yeah . 1691.43 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1692.448 1695.057 1692.48 1694.96 Yeah , that's to me it's more realistic . 1692.82 1694.96 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1693.376 1702.908 1693.4 1702.908 Yeah , I wouldn't put the two visitors in the same room , because when there is no one it makes a big hole , and when there are two people , so it makes too many variations , but 1693.59 1696.0 1698.66 1699.75 1702.41 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1702.592 1708.049 1702.61 1707.75 Yeah , but then then you can you can move for instance if you move David to uh with Maria . 1702.7 1707.75 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1703.315 1703.841 1703.34 1703.79 Yeah . 1703.79 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1708.832 1709.728 1709.02 1709.61 Mm-hmm . 1709.61 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1709.648 1710.24 1709.77 1710.24 Then - IB4004 C FIE037 2 1712.208 1713.888 1712.43 1713.8 Yeah , the occupancy is better that way . 1712.62 1713.8 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1714.4 1719.38 1714.42 1718.98 I think it's it's better . First it's better . I think it's uh , because it's more it's stabler . 1715.3 1716.03 1716.62 1718.98 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1714.592 1716.736 1714.61 1716.7 You prefer that too , Susan ? Okay . 1715.48 1716.27 1716.7 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1714.503 1717.952 1714.83 1717.92 Because there is regular there is regular occupancy , yeah . 1717.78 1717.92 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1720.096 1721.703 1720.12 1721.43 'Cause visitors stay and go . 1721.43 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1719.92 1721.14 1720.29 1720.99 Okay . 1720.99 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1728.816 1735.008 1729.0 1734.92 Oops . Sorry . Uh what did we say here ? This one . 1730.0 1731.6 1733.99 1734.92 IB4004 B MIO094 1 1733.886 1734.623 1733.886 1734.54 one . 1734.54 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1735.92 1736.855 1735.94 1736.81 Yeah , that's good . 1736.19 1736.81 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1736.416 1738.128 1736.44 1738.128 Yeah , my uh 1736.79 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1738.336 1739.76 1738.36 1739.71 To me that's the best we can do . 1739.71 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1741.04 1745.386 1741.06 1745.19 If you if we realistically can plan to have a lounge . 1745.19 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1741.408 1742.032 1741.43 1741.97 Okay . 1741.97 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1746.064 1756.806 1746.08 1756.806 Well , I think that was really decided and it's it's no we no , because , actually if we do a proposal without a lounge , and , you know , the other group will 1746.38 1750.38 1750.71 1753.64 1754.43 1755.44 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1748.322 1749.568 1748.42 1749.08 Okay okay okay . 1749.08 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1754.426 1757.137 1755.42 1756.96 We won't be very credible . 1756.96 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1755.952 1759.109 1756.02 1759.109 I go I got the message . 1759.03 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1757.52 1765.856 1757.54 1765.82 Yeah , exactly , and that means that all the constraints that we said and uh all the other things just , we we well , just basically disappear . 1757.77 1758.24 1763.92 1764.44 1765.82 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1766.08 1766.656 1766.1 1766.54 Yes , sir . 1766.25 1766.54 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1767.264 1775.488 1767.3 1775.28 Uh-huh , which means we've worked for nothing . Okay . Uh what's what's wrong with this ? 1767.91 1770.26 1770.97 1775.28 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1776.224 1777.184 1776.28 1777.15 So who has strong - IB4004 A MIO036 0 1777.84 1779.024 1778.38 1778.97 Okay . 1778.97 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1778.376 1779.76 1778.48 1779.71 strong opposition to that ? 1779.71 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1781.36 1784.928 1781.38 1784.88 Uh , I don't . Oh , you have to go , Susan ? Okay . 1781.86 1782.73 1783.2 1783.96 1784.49 1784.88 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1783.089 1785.247 1783.8 1784.64 I'll be right back . 1784.64 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1785.168 1787.453 1785.2 1787.453 But do you have any no . 1787.2 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1786.829 1794.704 1787.04 1794.55 Yeah , well , we are almost done , Susan , but uh we we'll we'll just check the the items . Yeah , please . Okay . No problem . 1787.31 1787.52 1788.28 1788.72 1792.39 1792.6 1792.89 1793.88 1794.55 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1790.993 1793.956 1791.11 1793.84 I I just need to see somebody . 1793.84 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1793.504 1796.49 1793.53 1796.38 But it's just a decision . No , you just have . 1794.9 1795.16 1796.38 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1796.336 1806.16 1796.36 1806.04 Yeah , we we'll just review the items to see is we look at all the constraints and then you'll be able to say the final uh yes or no . Um . 1796.6 1804.21 1806.04 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1798.645 1799.12 1798.87 1799.08 Okay . 1799.08 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1804.573 1817.216 1804.573 1817.17 I think we we we accommodated most of the constraints . 'Cause uh we are sure that Maggie and Bruno uh Maggie is happy with having Bruno in her office and Pierrette is happy to have uh Marianne in her office . That's that that checked ? Okay . 1808.32 1815.92 1816.91 1817.17 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1808.064 1810.416 1808.13 1810.38 Yeah . Mm-hmm . 1809.15 1810.38 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1815.264 1820.192 1815.28 1820.06 Yeah , I think that's okay . Yeah , we checked . Uh . 1815.53 1817.32 1817.59 1818.59 1820.06 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1818.464 1823.712 1818.48 1823.68 And , yes , and no reason to think that there should be uh uh uh uh an impossible situation ? 1818.62 1818.82 1823.68 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1821.552 1824.32 1821.57 1824.28 I don't think so . No . 1823.82 1824.28 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1824.594 1827.984 1824.8 1827.95 Same thing for Marianne and Marianne F_ and Nikos ? 1827.95 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1828.096 1828.928 1828.19 1828.75 Mm-hmm . 1828.75 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1830.208 1840.224 1830.24 1840.19 Uh Paola we don't know yet , because she didn't arrived yet . And uh , well , Yalina Aha , that means for a for a short time Yalina will be just alone in the three person room . 1831.73 1833.44 1834.12 1834.35 1835.24 1840.19 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1840.144 1851.539 1840.2 1851.539 Yeah , that's a bit yeah , that was the point in letting David there and but okay , maybe we'll just leave it as an option . David or visitor one or two . It's uh 1840.83 1842.16 1845.58 1848.33 1850.81 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1840.86 1843.217 1840.88 1842.99 That's a bit a problem . 1842.99 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1849.872 1864.096 1849.89 1864.096 Ah but then then we what we could just for the sake of having a defendable solution , uh as long as Paola is not has not arrived , is to switch for the proposal Paola and David 1856.52 1860.05 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1855.744 1856.368 1855.83 1856.31 Mm-hmm . 1856.31 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1865.248 1866.368 1865.27 1866.21 Mm-hmm . 1866.21 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1866.384 1871.888 1866.41 1871.85 But we we really plan that as soon as Paola is here or even earlier - IB4004 A MIO036 0 1868.016 1869.884 1868.04 1869.79 Yeah . Mm-hmm . 1869.34 1869.79 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1872.196 1883.472 1872.28 1883.42 Okay . So we'll know that uh that the region actually around here is probably movable . Yeah , either , yeah , we can switch Maria or Paola or David . Yeah . 1872.54 1878.85 1879.03 1879.98 1880.2 1882.91 1883.42 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1872.875 1875.606 1873.07 1875.52 David will go to the to the two people room . 1875.52 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1877.201 1879.847 1877.57 1879.62 It's just it will be switched . 1879.62 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1880.672 1894.064 1880.69 1894.03 'Cause this this this this is dangerous to propose . I mean you have a three per three person room with one masters student in it . Okay ? So I wouldn't I wouldn't propose that . 1884.31 1891.0 1892.37 1894.03 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1887.679 1888.336 1887.79 1888.29 Mm-hmm . 1888.29 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1891.152 1901.616 1891.17 1901.58 Yeah , no , exactly . Yeah , tha tha yeah , that's why I always try to put the to separate the visitors , just to balance a little bit . But okay , we'll uh , we'll be open on on that point . 1891.4 1891.59 1892.1 1892.24 1894.07 1897.76 1898.97 1899.48 1899.93 1901.58 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1898.178 1898.995 1898.48 1898.94 Okay . 1898.94 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1900.872 1902.416 1901.06 1902.38 But as soon as Paola is here , 1902.38 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1903.232 1907.778 1903.41 1907.45 uh it starts to be better . And we will have visitors , for sure . 1905.29 1906.98 1907.45 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1903.424 1904.656 1903.44 1904.656 Yeah , it will become 1903.61 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1906.112 1913.824 1906.15 1913.824 Mm-hmm . Or it depends also on well , if Yalina stays longer or not , which is not yet very clear , but um 1906.63 1908.54 1910.73 1913.05 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1910.052 1912.266 1910.38 1912.11 Yeah , right right , that's true . Yeah . 1910.77 1911.2 1911.72 1912.11 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1913.744 1924.784 1913.76 1924.54 Oh yeah , that's a point , true . Ah do we have a do do we know do we know when when is she supposed to finish the her uh master thesis ? In June ? 1913.94 1914.74 1915.65 1923.99 1924.54 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1915.024 1918.184 1915.42 1918.13 Okay , w we'll see . Anyway , we'll we'll be open . 1915.74 1916.4 1916.82 1918.13 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1919.872 1932.614 1920.09 1932.45 Mm I don't really know , I think her master thesis is probably due um no , I would say , yeah , maybe June next year ? At the latest . Yeah . Actually I don't know , unfortunately . 1921.33 1925.47 1926.03 1926.37 1928.11 1928.98 1930.2 1931.56 1932.45 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1928.064 1929.027 1928.08 1928.86 June next year . 1928.86 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1930.609 1937.2 1930.76 1937.15 Okay , wha when when do we when do you when whe uh when are we supposed to sub sumbit the proposal ? 1931.32 1937.15 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1938.279 1960.785 1938.31 1960.7 Well , we we won't have any extra meeting , well , the four of us , so , yeah , this one has to to be the the final one . Um so um we'll we'll have actually I I'll present this to , well , with the other , I'll compare it with the other one , and uh try to make a decision actually . I think it's even uh a bit later , or in two days , or something like this . 1938.69 1941.43 1941.67 1942.44 1942.62 1942.85 1945.94 1951.57 1952.02 1952.6 1954.03 1956.18 1957.95 1959.1 1960.7 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1941.328 1942.476 1941.35 1942.36 'Kay , that's now . 1941.47 1942.36 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1945.794 1946.436 1945.93 1946.34 Okay . 1946.34 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1954.147 1954.654 1954.23 1954.5 Mm . 1954.5 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1958.0 1958.475 1958.02 1958.26 Okay . 1958.26 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1960.16 1965.92 1960.18 1965.77 Well so as soon as we have Susan we can uh we can um so I would I would switch again . 1965.77 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1965.888 1969.508 1965.91 1969.4 Again , okay . We yeah . Mm-hmm . 1966.49 1967.49 1968.92 1969.4 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1966.279 1977.824 1966.63 1977.71 Da but that , as I say , it's just for the sake of the of the proposition , so I even I'm even ready to uh to internally say that David will actually be in this room . 1967.59 1968.27 1971.38 1977.71 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1977.776 1980.864 1978.4 1980.864 Yeah . W we can leave it like this and then 1978.77 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1979.471 1982.128 1979.54 1982.09 What does it what does it change ? names on the doors ? 1981.27 1982.09 IB4004 A MIO036 0 1983.312 1985.626 1983.33 1985.21 Uh , yeah , there will be names on the doors . 1983.51 1983.7 1985.21 IB4004 D MIO039 3 1984.25 2007.008 1984.3 2006.97 Aha , so if we 'cause , Susan , the the the the problem the let's say the techn not the technical , the psy psychological problem we have is pra I'm extremenly happy with that solution . It would be a workab work working solution starting from January , when Paola will be here . But currently if we present it as it is , we have a three person room that is only occupied by a masters student . 1984.57 1986.47 1986.79 1990.5 1996.86 2000.13 2001.29 2003.74 2006.97 IB4004 C FIE037 2 1987.52 1988.27 1987.59 1988.14 Sorry , yeah . 1987.91 1988.14 IB4004 C FIE037 2 2007.616 2015.351 2007.64 2015.3 No , because there is another person right now , a student that I just uh um hired . And she's just working right now for uh 2008.09 2009.85 2012.93 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2015.04 2020.359 2015.06 2020.28 Aha , so sh you have a student . That we that's a rea real visitor to some extent . 2015.3 2017.21 2020.28 IB4004 A MIO036 0 2015.54 2017.998 2016.06 2017.85 So she'll be a visitor . 2017.85 IB4004 C FIE037 2 2015.991 2018.192 2016.17 2018.16 for November and December , yeah . 2017.93 2018.16 IB4004 C FIE037 2 2018.993 2025.454 2019.08 2025.17 A she uh she's a she's a real visitor . She's a real visitor that I just made a contract for her for two months . Yeah . 2020.98 2024.99 2025.17 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2021.232 2028.016 2021.51 2027.96 Ah , so this one and this two one are just ah okay , okay . So then we would have two people there . Okay . 2021.73 2024.92 2025.8 2027.69 2027.96 IB4004 A MIO036 0 2024.96 2025.456 2025.0 2025.42 Mm-hmm . 2025.42 IB4004 A MIO036 0 2026.608 2047.265 2026.63 2047.265 Okay . Yeah , we'll we'll keep it like this . Um okay I , well , I'll try to to express all these constraints and uh and say in particular that the two rooms over here actually are sort of uh , well , s things could be changed over there , but on some other sides 2028.42 2028.65 2030.75 2033.19 2033.69 2042.68 2043.24 2045.3 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2028.516 2030.323 2028.54 2030.07 Yeah then that works . 2030.07 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2045.264 2059.312 2045.28 2059.28 Yeah , but you you really have also to say that that that a a unit has to has to have some some horizon . I mean uh it's it's it's it's extremely important in the research domain that we can have people coming to visit us . 2045.39 2052.3 2059.28 IB4004 A MIO036 0 2051.351 2054.176 2051.37 2054.176 Yeah , the visitor space , yeah , I'll uh 2051.54 2052.53 2053.08 IB4004 A MIO036 0 2056.288 2057.023 2056.49 2056.98 Mm-hmm . 2056.98 IB4004 A MIO036 0 2059.568 2063.216 2059.568 2063.216 Yeah , uh that's true . And 2060.38 2061.69 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2060.626 2070.656 2060.69 2070.62 Uh the second point I would suggest is that before you go to defend it , you should uh mm circulate it uh over mail to all the all the con involved people . 2064.24 2070.62 IB4004 A MIO036 0 2071.636 2072.288 2071.68 2072.25 Well , 2072.25 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2072.224 2073.264 2072.28 2073.264 To double-check so that - IB4004 A MIO036 0 2073.408 2081.264 2073.43 2081.07 I think this I I'm not very sure , but I think this will be done after the meeting , when okay . 2075.38 2077.96 2081.07 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2077.568 2090.467 2077.59 2090.43 I would do it before . 'Cause you if you if you spend time defending a thing then um I don't know , Agnes comes to you or Pierrette comes to you saying it , no I don't want to be with Marianne . Uh what do you do ? 2079.97 2083.94 2086.46 2088.83 2090.43 IB4004 A MIO036 0 2083.328 2085.138 2083.35 2085.06 Yeah . Mm-hmm . 2084.53 2085.06 IB4004 A MIO036 0 2088.096 2096.267 2088.26 2096.1 Uh-huh . A as far as know I think Agnes is also taking care of a proposal so okay , yeah , I'll circulate this . Perfect . 2088.9 2094.18 2094.33 2095.45 2096.1 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2091.612 2093.261 2091.88 2093.261 So so it doesn't - IB4004 D MIO039 3 2094.999 2101.584 2094.999 2101.55 cost anything , it's just people will look at it , say oh , great , I have a view on the mountain and I'm uh with a person I like , so I'm happy . 2096.13 2097.56 2098.0 2098.33 2100.87 2101.55 IB4004 A MIO036 0 2096.832 2098.384 2096.85 2098.24 Yeah , exactly . 2097.62 2098.24 IB4004 A MIO036 0 2102.352 2134.416 2102.37 2134.416 Okay , so maybe we'll learn some more constraints . Um okay . Um yeah , actually as I as I told uh Martin um , well , this is the last time we meet , so uh this is , well , more or less our proposal , and uh we'll have a meeting , I think , it's uh it's in two days or something like that . Uh to discuss and compare with the other proposal and uh , well , make a final decision . Actually , probably a pre-final one , since we'll have to check again with everyone . But uh 2102.67 2106.3 2110.29 2111.39 2115.11 2115.32 2116.84 2118.0 2118.22 2120.16 2121.41 2121.74 2124.32 2128.02 2128.24 2129.27 2129.57 2130.85 2133.98 IB4004 C FIE037 2 2106.785 2110.825 2106.83 2110.7 What's the timeline on this now ? So you have a meeting when ? 2109.2 2110.7 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2128.672 2129.374 2128.76 2129.374 Because - IB4004 D MIO039 3 2131.574 2159.515 2131.86 2159.04 Yeah , it's it's it's not it's not completely it's an important issue , because uh I need to know , when I will have the office decided , the phone number decided . Because these are information that I have to provide to administration . I'm reachable when I'm at uh well , they can phone me on the mobile , but uh I would definitely prefer to have a clean filled administrative form that I can give back . 2132.86 2135.17 2137.09 2141.57 2143.2 2147.03 2149.74 2151.18 2159.04 IB4004 A MIO036 0 2143.296 2143.824 2143.33 2143.78 Mm-hmm . 2143.78 IB4004 C FIE037 2 2143.025 2144.54 2143.36 2144.45 Mm-hmm . Oh , yeah . 2143.77 2144.09 2144.45 IB4004 A MIO036 0 2150.768 2152.046 2150.79 2152.0 Yeah . 2152.0 IB4004 A MIO036 0 2157.984 2178.816 2158.25 2178.61 Mm-hmm . Well , so actually I think , I I'm not very sure , but the most important thing is , well , finding out when we will move and this happens in probably , I think , next month or depends also on how , well , the uh the furnishing and uh well goes on . . 2159.49 2160.06 2162.14 2163.25 2165.33 2165.56 2169.54 2169.99 2173.51 2173.98 2178.61 2178.61 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2167.572 2169.253 2167.71 2168.96 Yes , yes . 2168.21 2168.96 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2171.232 2171.616 2171.28 2171.57 Okay . 2171.57 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2176.32 2182.337 2176.34 2182.26 And then uh of course you have these all these practical issues , how about internet connections ? Well uh , network connections , I mean ? 2178.93 2180.71 2181.2 2181.98 2182.26 IB4004 A MIO036 0 2181.296 2183.024 2181.296 2182.98 No . 2182.98 IB4004 C FIE037 2 2182.039 2184.631 2182.47 2184.45 How many connections are there per room ? 2184.45 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2183.968 2190.062 2183.99 2190.062 Yeah , because that's also something double check . You know , if you are in a room with three people and one network connection 2184.27 2186.2 2186.43 IB4004 A MIO036 0 2184.773 2185.664 2184.92 2185.51 Um . 2185.51 IB4004 A MIO036 0 2188.928 2206.623 2188.95 2206.56 Oh no no no . No the roo the the building is very no actually I've seen it . Uh the building is very modern and uh you can have actually we'll get them activated , yeah . A and I think you get at least th yeah , three per room . So uh or probably more than that . 2189.98 2193.31 2199.52 2199.97 2201.99 2203.68 2206.56 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2190.68 2192.326 2190.7 2192.16 Well no no um . 2192.16 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2193.533 2194.303 2193.7 2194.08 Okay . 2194.08 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2195.709 2197.123 2195.82 2197.02 But are they activated ? 2197.02 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2199.328 2200.034 2199.48 2199.94 Okay . 2199.94 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2203.152 2203.472 2203.18 2203.43 Okay . 2203.43 IB4004 C FIE037 2 2203.824 2209.241 2203.84 2209.13 No , get the uh for the the bigger rooms you get double for every workplace you get two lines . 2204.18 2209.13 IB4004 A MIO036 0 2207.6 2208.207 2207.62 2208.12 Okay . 2208.12 IB4004 B MIO094 1 2208.72 2211.552 2208.74 2211.552 Yeah yeah , you need , because sometimes you need a laptop and 2209.12 2209.65 IB4004 A MIO036 0 2209.216 2209.632 2209.24 2209.56 Okay . 2209.56 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2209.193 2211.078 2209.3 2210.99 Ah okay . Good that looks good . 2209.93 2210.99 IB4004 C FIE037 2 2210.725 2211.104 2210.93 2211.06 Yeah . 2211.06 IB4004 A MIO036 0 2211.728 2216.112 2211.75 2215.95 Yeah , sometimes he needs two two computers . Yeah , no this this . 2211.92 2214.1 2214.3 2215.95 IB4004 C FIE037 2 2211.974 2212.499 2212.05 2212.39 Yeah . 2212.39 IB4004 C FIE037 2 2213.744 2218.267 2213.76 2218.267 No , because lots of people have , you know , they have a Sun and they have a a PC , so 2213.97 2215.31 2215.62 2217.97 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2217.296 2231.152 2217.32 2231.152 And if you go back to the uh to the uh other sli slide where you have the furniture so with this uh we do we have any m any any word to say and uh so that I would like to have a red chair or a blue desk uh or a - IB4004 A MIO036 0 2217.824 2218.319 2217.85 2218.15 Hmm . 2218.15 IB4004 A MIO036 0 2229.52 2240.448 2229.54 2240.448 Oh no , unfortunately that's decided by the uh the school , so the the chairs are blue , the the desk is uh is brow , well , light-brown . And uh 2230.06 2233.18 2235.36 2237.69 2238.21 2239.8 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2233.892 2235.69 2234.09 2235.37 So that's the standard things . 2235.37 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2239.216 2244.048 2239.24 2244.01 But do we have to order something or is it done automatically , so it will be in the office when we move in ? 2241.76 2244.01 IB4004 A MIO036 0 2244.064 2249.236 2244.2 2249.236 Uh , normally it's done automatically , except that we'll have to think 2244.61 2246.88 IB4004 C FIE037 2 2247.712 2250.784 2247.73 2250.75 Well , we have to say how many places that we want to have . 2247.87 2250.75 IB4004 A MIO036 0 2251.548 2273.136 2251.72 2272.94 Yeah , uh well , these are dictated by the names . Uh it's probably more difficult for the lounge . What we'll have is have a bit less furniture in the lounge and then bring all the , well the old it's not old , because we just bought it , but uh all the furniture from the previous lounge we'll we'll bring it here . Uh . 2252.39 2253.17 2255.51 2258.68 2263.43 2265.02 2266.54 2271.68 2272.94 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2262.064 2262.64 2262.1 2262.54 Mm-hmm . 2262.54 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2265.392 2265.632 2265.42 2265.6 Mm . 2265.6 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2271.264 2280.8 2271.28 2280.8 And how about the boxes , because at you have to say when you will be moving the boxes , so that you have uh people for moving them . Or here you're supposed to move them yourself , or 2272.37 2275.49 2278.15 2280.36 IB4004 A MIO036 0 2281.024 2284.769 2281.14 2284.769 Well , it's the faculty that will take care of uh 2281.63 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2284.014 2285.728 2284.1 2285.69 So we'll receive some information about that ? 2285.69 IB4004 A MIO036 0 2285.744 2317.152 2285.76 2317.12 Yeah , yeah , I think yeah , i I mean it's a completely different issue from uh , you know , arranging people . It's just uh how the moving will take place . And there are things to to take care of , but uh it's uh quite unrelated with these things . Yeah , we'll get uh we'll get all the information . Uh thinking about internet connections , I think it's quite okay for the the for the the printer to be there . Yeah , I think it's i it's feasible . We'll we'll check . So the the violet box here is uh uh our mailboxes also . 2286.17 2286.3 2288.11 2291.09 2291.55 2292.46 2294.43 2296.18 2299.42 2299.65 2302.45 2304.35 2308.94 2309.19 2310.71 2311.98 2317.12 IB4004 C FIE037 2 2286.08 2287.92 2286.11 2287.92 Yeah , they'll just give us a date when 2286.47 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2287.904 2288.749 2288.42 2288.64 Okay . 2288.64 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2292.875 2296.949 2292.99 2296.9 That's true , but uh right , right , right . . Okay , okay . 2293.36 2295.2 2295.56 2296.39 2296.39 2296.74 2296.9 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2306.128 2309.807 2306.15 2309.807 Yeah , that's an important point , the the printer needs to be connected . 2306.34 2307.17 2309.66 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2317.072 2327.014 2317.09 2327.014 By the way uh uh is there any uh wireless connection uh antennas for getting 'cause I I've I've heard that there is one downstairs in the - IB4004 A MIO036 0 2322.192 2328.032 2322.21 2327.98 Um not at the sixth floor . Yeah , yeah no not not in the building for the moment . 2324.92 2325.52 2327.98 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2327.995 2328.749 2327.995 2328.749 that - IB4004 C FIE037 2 2328.016 2333.179 2328.04 2333.13 The well , there is downstairs in the building and pretty soon the whole building will be covered . Yeah . 2328.39 2332.9 2333.13 IB4004 A MIO036 0 2329.056 2331.008 2329.08 2331.008 I mean not at this - IB4004 D MIO039 3 2332.024 2334.86 2332.08 2334.86 But that's important . I mean , typically for the laptops it's 2332.9 2333.24 IB4004 A MIO036 0 2334.88 2335.376 2334.91 2335.33 Mm-hmm . 2335.33 IB4004 C FIE037 2 2335.296 2342.032 2335.32 2341.99 Yeah , but right now in uh downstairs it's fine . Some people can pick it up on sixth floor . But pretty soon the whole building will be covered . 2335.45 2337.75 2340.07 2341.99 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2341.1 2342.672 2341.26 2342.55 Ah okay , good . 2342.17 2342.55 IB4004 A MIO036 0 2342.24 2364.192 2342.26 2364.16 Mm-hmm . Okay . Well , I think it's a bit off topic already . So um let's say that i it's a proposal . We'll try it I'm , well I'll try to to express the the constraints and uh your opinions and uh well , I think , finally everyone can veto something if there is a huge problem , but I think with this we we don't run into huge problems . 2343.28 2343.81 2344.1 2346.47 2349.27 2350.84 2356.44 2357.18 2361.53 2364.16 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2345.365 2347.6 2345.73 2346.31 Yeah yeah , . 2346.31 2346.31 IB4004 C FIE037 2 2346.256 2347.508 2346.29 2347.31 Yeah , okay . 2346.59 2347.31 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2349.012 2349.657 2349.3 2349.36 Mm ? 2349.36 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2360.1 2360.73 2360.27 2360.61 Sure . 2360.61 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2363.424 2365.68 2363.49 2365.6 At least the four of us will not veto . 2365.6 IB4004 A MIO036 0 2365.872 2369.328 2365.89 2369.17 Yeah , obviously . So let me save this . 2366.55 2367.82 2369.17 IB4004 C FIE037 2 2366.192 2367.959 2366.192 2367.959 . 2367.959 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2366.224 2369.442 2366.224 2369.14 at least . 2369.14 IB4004 B MIO094 1 2370.353 2371.751 2370.48 2371.65 So you agree with a lounge ? 2371.65 IB4004 A MIO036 0 2370.56 2373.296 2370.58 2373.11 And thank you for spending all this time . 2373.11 IB4004 C FIE037 2 2374.551 2375.12 2374.78 2375.07 Yeah . 2375.07 IB4004 A MIO036 0 2374.864 2376.528 2374.88 2376.15 Hope you're all happy . 2376.15 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2375.065 2375.424 2375.17 2375.39 Okay . 2375.39 IB4004 D MIO039 3 2383.656 2385.988 2383.656 2385.988 . 2385.988 IB4005 A FIE038 0 0.0 58.801 0.02 58.75 Uh I guess I start with my presentation . We had two groups of people working on this . So we'll show you two slightly different presentations . Feel free to ask any questions or comments , obviously . Um the first one was done by myself , Bruno , Marianne and Nikos . And the rationale that we have , I'll show you the layout in a second , was that full professors would get private offices . Administration is close to the professors offices , so it's easier for the secretary to speak to everyone . The fax is in the administration office , since it's mostly used by Gisella , who's the secretary . For noise reduction purposes we've moved everyone who has office hours together , and we've also put the network printer and the photocopier in the hall . Um , so I'll just show you how that works . Basically , you can see Gisella sort of there in the middle with the fax machine , and Maggie and Susan , who are the two full professors in our department have the private offices . And the photocopier and the printer are sort of in the hall on the side there across from mailboxes . 1.86 3.72 6.47 8.83 9.97 14.63 14.9 16.63 18.14 19.81 22.62 24.79 27.45 29.47 31.94 33.73 38.95 42.78 43.29 45.06 45.48 48.47 49.39 53.77 58.75 IB4005 B MIE032 1 9.798 10.404 9.86 10.23 Okay . 10.23 IB4005 B MIE032 1 27.12 27.71 27.16 27.59 Mm-hmm . 27.59 IB4005 A FIE038 0 59.575 162.56 59.72 162.53 Um , just to go back , most people are grouped in projects . And we have two fifty per cent people who are half time in Geneva , half time at the E_P_F_L_ in Lausanne . And they m them we've put in three person offices , so that in the three person offices it's not constantly three people . So there's a little bit of give there . And the reading room , or the lounge as some people call it , that we have is in a central position . So basically we've got Andre and Nancy at the top . Um they don't actu they will be starting a new project together , if um if I'm not mistaken . Like I said , Susan and Maggie in the individual offices . Nikos and Yalina , who work on the same project , at the bottom . The reading room is in the middle . Um , Marianne and Bruno are at the bottom . Um , as well , Marianne works closely with Pierrette and the other Marianne . We have two Mariannes in our department . And David is a half time . So as I said , the half times are in the three person offices . And on the other side we have Maria , Martin and myself , who all work on the same project . And Martin is fifty per cent . Um Gisella , we've given her two person office for two reasons , one is because there's a spare place there , so if we want to put a stagieur or someone who just comes in for short period of time , we figured it was okay if they were in the admin office which is a little bit noisy , because they're only there for a short period of time . Um , and again the proximity to the other offices . Um so I guess that's pretty much it for our proposal . Um I don't know if you want Andre to go through his first or if you have any questions for me . 60.47 61.58 63.99 67.48 69.78 72.24 76.22 78.19 79.64 81.16 83.94 87.67 91.48 93.84 94.32 97.34 98.25 99.72 100.28 102.23 102.8 105.98 106.67 107.02 110.13 112.26 114.3 114.89 117.93 120.14 122.44 123.96 126.52 127.86 131.31 134.86 138.7 142.52 145.16 145.6 149.53 158.5 162.53 IB4005 B MIE032 1 78.045 78.682 78.44 78.57 Mm-hmm . 78.57 IB4005 C MIO036 2 94.079 94.719 94.29 94.62 Mm-hmm . 94.62 IB4005 C MIO036 2 158.032 158.432 158.1 158.38 Mm-hmm . 158.38 IB4005 B MIE032 1 163.264 172.288 163.28 172.25 So you sa so Pierrette is a professor , but she's only she's only fifty per cent time . Is that why she's in a three person office ? 166.26 170.23 172.25 IB4005 D MIO078 3 164.2 165.014 164.26 164.77 Yes . 164.77 IB4005 D MIO078 3 165.888 166.934 165.92 166.8 Yeah , Martin . 166.41 166.8 IB4005 A FIE038 0 170.704 176.373 170.72 176.373 She's It's Do you wanna explain how it it works or - IB4005 C MIO036 2 174.736 178.704 174.76 178.66 Uh , actually Martin is fifty per cent time . Yeah . 175.06 178.38 178.66 IB4005 D MIO078 3 176.016 176.491 176.1 176.3 Mar - IB4005 A FIE038 0 177.36 183.982 177.38 183.982 Martin is fifty per cent . Pierrette , there's two sort of statutes of professor . I guess you could say where there's 178.81 179.43 182.27 IB4005 B MIE032 1 177.547 178.32 177.69 178.24 Uh-huh . 178.24 IB4005 C MIO036 2 180.164 180.756 180.24 180.72 No ? 180.72 IB4005 C MIO036 2 183.184 191.147 183.2 191.147 Oh , because you would say that she's an assistant professor or something like that . Oh , okay . Yeah . But um yeah , maybe that's 183.47 186.93 187.01 187.42 188.11 189.9 IB4005 A FIE038 0 185.712 186.205 185.73 186.12 Yeah . 186.12 IB4005 D MIO078 3 186.496 186.832 186.52 186.77 Ah . 186.77 IB4005 B MIE032 1 186.752 187.765 186.85 187.59 I see . 187.59 IB4005 A FIE038 0 189.538 192.016 189.69 192.016 There's a professeur d'ecole and the - IB4005 C MIO036 2 192.864 213.956 192.88 213.76 Yeah , there are full professors and assistant professors , if you want . And , yeah , it's true that she's an assistant professor , but uh well , we see , maybe we can move a little bit around just to give her uh , well , also at least , maybe not a uh an office alone , but at least with just one person , not two . We'll see . 193.21 195.68 196.23 196.5 196.78 198.63 201.08 201.7 206.01 206.2 207.45 210.02 211.64 213.1 213.76 IB4005 D MIO078 3 195.408 196.371 195.43 196.28 Yeah , ho 195.94 IB4005 B MIE032 1 204.156 204.563 204.25 204.34 Mm . 204.34 IB4005 D MIO078 3 205.97 206.562 206.11 206.46 Mm . 206.46 IB4005 B MIE032 1 211.776 212.336 211.81 212.29 Mm-hmm . 212.29 IB4005 A FIE038 0 212.4 214.848 212.48 214.81 But the idea is Maggie and Susan are sort of the senior - IB4005 D MIO078 3 214.992 215.691 215.01 215.49 Yeah . 215.49 IB4005 C MIO036 2 215.248 215.76 215.27 215.73 Mm-hmm . 215.73 IB4005 A FIE038 0 215.84 221.248 215.97 221.21 um professors on staff so they got the the individual offices . 221.21 IB4005 C MIO036 2 221.632 222.08 221.66 222.04 Mm-hmm . 222.04 IB4005 B MIE032 1 224.224 239.168 224.224 239.168 And what what's happening what what do you foresee happening in the next couple of years , like beyond this m b beyond this current group of people , do we do we know of any changes coming ? Is the department growing ? Or is it is it going to be 229.79 233.8 235.85 237.15 IB4005 A FIE038 0 237.264 260.848 237.28 260.81 Um the department will obviously be growing , but there are some people who only work part time , there's some people who are doing P_H_D_s or master students , who won't necessarily be there for a larger extent of time . So for example , Yalina and the Finnish Marianne are master students for right now , so whether they decide to stay and do a P_H_D_ , we're not sure yet . Um , Nikos is working um as a researcher . 239.74 241.95 244.79 247.79 248.45 252.93 255.78 257.4 257.7 260.81 IB4005 B MIE032 1 247.041 247.408 247.06 247.36 Mm-hmm . 247.36 IB4005 B MIE032 1 256.688 257.136 256.72 257.09 Mm-hmm . 257.09 IB4005 A FIE038 0 261.888 283.584 261.97 283.55 So for him it's the same thing . There's I think the only constant people are Susan , Maggie , Andre , um Gisella , Pierrette , um and all the rest are either P_H_D_ students or master students . And again Martin and David are half time with the E_P_F_L_ , so 263.66 268.95 269.71 271.43 273.18 275.03 279.91 283.21 IB4005 A FIE038 0 284.944 286.96 284.98 286.93 that's project dependent as well . 286.93 IB4005 B MIE032 1 287.136 287.616 287.16 287.58 Mm-hmm . 287.58 IB4005 C MIO036 2 287.536 287.872 287.56 287.83 Mm-hmm . 287.83 IB4005 A FIE038 0 289.712 297.319 289.73 297.319 Unfortunately , we haven't been given as much space as we would have liked , but that's always the case . 290.73 293.72 297.01 IB4005 B MIE032 1 293.168 293.664 293.3 293.63 Mm-hmm . 293.63 IB4005 B MIE032 1 294.896 297.76 294.896 297.76 That's always the case . Yeah . 296.28 297.71 IB4005 D MIO078 3 296.441 296.976 296.64 296.89 Mm . 296.89 IB4005 B MIE032 1 300.544 305.184 300.56 305.15 And have you have you talked to th any of these people to ask them if they have any - IB4005 B MIE032 1 306.272 307.728 306.29 307.69 special requirements ? 307.69 IB4005 A FIE038 0 308.528 319.744 308.55 319.69 Um , Susan wanted a private office , she has a preference for private offices . Other than that , no one really had any tight constraints from what I've heard . 309.05 310.87 313.7 315.92 319.69 IB4005 B MIE032 1 309.03 309.881 309.46 309.77 Oh . 309.77 IB4005 B MIE032 1 310.642 311.349 310.9 311.18 Mm-hmm . 311.18 IB4005 B MIE032 1 312.209 313.025 312.3 312.79 Mm-hmm . 312.79 IB4005 B MIE032 1 319.68 333.808 319.7 333.77 Of people they needed to be near or people they would needed to avoid or anything like that . Okay . Okay . Alright . But you've given people chance to say that if they really needed to ? Okay , good . 327.17 328.31 329.28 330.04 333.19 333.6 333.77 IB4005 A FIE038 0 325.328 330.511 325.328 330.511 No one's explicitly said that they needed to avoid anyone else . Um 329.48 IB4005 A FIE038 0 332.176 333.984 332.2 333.95 Yeah yeah yeah . 333.95 IB4005 D MIO078 3 332.608 333.15 332.63 333.03 Yeah . 333.03 IB4005 D MIO078 3 334.528 341.952 334.56 341.92 But you no specific uh views for mountains or old town or I mean people prefer any windows . 341.92 IB4005 A FIE038 0 342.144 344.404 342.16 344.404 No , they were fine with it , so 342.63 343.7 IB4005 D MIO078 3 342.55 344.363 343.01 344.17 Oh . Oh . 343.93 344.17 IB4005 A FIE038 0 345.36 347.536 345.4 347.536 And they're both nice views . 347.45 IB4005 C MIO036 2 345.766 346.173 345.87 346.1 Mm-hmm . 346.1 IB4005 D MIO078 3 347.248 352.758 347.28 352.47 Yeah , I guess those thin lines , or I mean they're windows or Okay . 347.46 348.98 352.47 IB4005 A FIE038 0 351.12 352.477 351.14 352.35 Yeah , they're windows , yeah . 351.36 352.16 352.35 IB4005 A FIE038 0 353.744 359.696 353.94 359.66 Or sorry , the thick lines are windows actually . We have fairly big windows in the room , yeah . So there's lots of light coming in . 354.25 356.35 358.15 358.47 359.66 IB4005 D MIO078 3 356.608 360.232 356.63 360.232 Oh oh k okay oh 'kay . 360.02 IB4005 C MIO036 2 357.6 357.888 357.65 357.85 Mm-hmm . 357.85 IB4005 B MIE032 1 357.441 358.074 357.67 358.04 Mm-hmm . 358.04 IB4005 B MIE032 1 359.856 360.288 359.88 360.25 Mm-hmm . 360.25 IB4005 A FIE038 0 361.072 367.536 361.19 367.5 And one of the reasons for putting the reading room where it was is that you have a lot of light coming in , so if people just go somewhere to sort of relax and 365.17 IB4005 D MIO078 3 367.664 368.064 367.71 367.99 Hmm . 367.99 IB4005 A FIE038 0 368.528 371.906 368.55 371.906 have a quiet place to sips sit , they have a lot of light and 370.67 IB4005 B MIE032 1 371.504 379.299 371.52 379.25 It says mountains . Is that because that's the view . Yeah ? So it's the best view . You gave the reading room the best view ? Mm-hmm . 372.44 375.1 375.62 376.53 378.88 379.25 IB4005 D MIO078 3 373.856 374.144 373.88 374.1 Hmm . 374.1 IB4005 A FIE038 0 374.832 375.98 374.85 375.8 Yeah yeah . 375.8 IB4005 D MIO078 3 375.08 375.936 375.11 375.9 Yeah yeah . 375.9 IB4005 D MIO078 3 378.124 378.816 378.27 378.816 Yeah . 378.43 IB4005 A FIE038 0 378.272 396.879 378.29 396.69 Yeah , well I mean it depends if you like looking out over the old town and the cathedral . That sort of goes both ways , but , yeah , we've got two mountain views , sort of on that side , that side , and then the last part looks on the old town . Because we're on the sixth floor , you can actually see everything , 'cause I don't think buildings are much higher than was it , six or eight floors ? 379.08 382.37 383.56 384.18 384.3 385.57 386.66 387.08 389.67 390.66 392.12 395.37 396.69 IB4005 D MIO078 3 380.128 382.954 380.15 382.81 Yeah . Yeah yeah . 381.89 382.81 IB4005 B MIE032 1 381.851 382.776 382.17 382.64 Okay . 382.64 IB4005 B MIE032 1 385.232 387.859 385.25 387.62 Oh , two mountain views . Oh , and that's old town . 385.44 386.45 386.63 387.62 IB4005 D MIO078 3 385.984 388.336 386.0 388.29 Yeah . And then one of old town . 386.64 388.29 IB4005 B MIE032 1 388.512 390.418 388.58 390.0 Okay . Okay . 389.78 390.0 IB4005 D MIO078 3 391.68 392.144 391.7 392.11 Yeah . 392.11 IB4005 B MIE032 1 392.16 392.592 392.18 392.56 Mm-hmm . 392.56 IB4005 C MIO036 2 395.392 399.494 395.41 399.494 Yeah , no , mountains are just in the far so , that's not 395.81 396.04 399.02 IB4005 B MIE032 1 397.76 400.208 397.85 400.17 No , okay . What's that purple thing there ? 398.0 398.89 400.17 IB4005 A FIE038 0 398.368 398.64 398.39 398.61 Yeah . 398.61 IB4005 A FIE038 0 400.4 404.864 400.42 404.83 The purple thing is the mailboxes . And those are fixed , we can't do anything about those . 402.64 403.4 404.83 IB4005 B MIE032 1 401.813 404.072 401.99 403.98 Oh , okay . Mm-hmm . 402.2 403.57 403.98 IB4005 D MIO078 3 404.176 404.954 404.2 404.88 Oh . 404.88 IB4005 A FIE038 0 410.421 411.673 410.421 411.673 So - IB4005 D MIO078 3 411.024 418.816 411.04 418.78 So you can't do any partitions ? I mean , you plan to do any partitions in three p person rooms or like this kind of blocks ? 412.39 412.74 418.78 IB4005 A FIE038 0 416.848 418.023 416.87 417.96 Um , r 417.65 IB4005 A FIE038 0 418.992 430.519 419.01 430.32 We don't have anything like that . If we can get stuff like that , it might be a good idea . Some people might like them . At the moment we have people thre sharing like three people in a room , without any partitions and 420.97 422.78 423.59 425.08 428.61 IB4005 D MIO078 3 425.164 425.534 425.25 425.39 Yeah . 425.39 IB4005 D MIO078 3 428.74 429.085 428.77 428.93 Yeah . 428.93 IB4005 D MIO078 3 430.08 432.046 430.1 431.97 Yeah , just three desks , yeah . 430.51 431.83 431.97 IB4005 A FIE038 0 431.312 442.448 431.33 442.448 it's a little bit noisy , but people sort of get used to it and admittedly it's mostly assistants that are stuck in rooms like that , so it's junior people , but 432.5 439.06 441.77 IB4005 D MIO078 3 433.238 433.719 433.26 433.64 Yeah . 433.64 IB4005 D MIO078 3 435.346 435.716 435.39 435.53 Yeah . 435.53 IB4005 D MIO078 3 438.08 439.593 438.13 439.593 Yeah . 439.17 IB4005 C MIO036 2 442.576 443.024 442.61 442.97 Mm-hmm . 442.97 IB4005 C MIO036 2 443.988 451.9 444.2 451.74 Yeah . Um well , uh I can think of some reactions from the people wi so maybe I can Well , r 445.38 446.2 451.57 IB4005 B MIE032 1 445.863 446.464 445.94 446.31 Alright . 446.31 IB4005 A FIE038 0 450.848 453.618 450.87 453.618 Well , do you want to do your presentation and 451.0 IB4005 C MIO036 2 452.48 513.649 452.5 513.53 Yeah , well , tell me about some of the constraints and Well , first of all I must say that there are also quite a lot of common points , so um it's probably not going to be very difficult to Yeah , please . Thanks . Perfect . So um , yeah , actually we um Well , basically the the group who produced this uh proposal is made by Susan , Martin , David and uh and myself . And we also well , Susan volunteered to ask Maggie and Pierrette about how they they felt about sharing offices , and . So , as you can see , well um Susan gets obviously the same office , which is quite a good thing . Um , then things started move a bit . It looks like I'm also in the same position . But the most obvious constraints that uh we we found here was that it was probably very difficult to have a lounge uh just a lounge in one room , because it would block us two full working places . 452.76 453.12 455.24 459.7 464.44 465.19 466.52 467.88 468.88 469.1 471.04 475.51 476.86 479.36 480.47 486.49 487.78 488.16 489.26 492.57 494.61 495.92 498.23 500.8 509.68 513.53 IB4005 B MIE032 1 460.944 461.6 460.96 461.56 Okay . 461.56 IB4005 A FIE038 0 462.089 462.459 462.16 462.42 Okay . 462.42 IB4005 A FIE038 0 462.977 463.902 463.06 463.902 So - IB4005 C MIO036 2 513.649 548.691 514.11 548.39 And although it's true that the group , I agree , decided to to had to have a lounge , we propose to put the lounge uh in the room at the the upper side on on the right . Uh , so let two people share this with uh sort of a , yeah , a place where we have a sofa maybe and uh and some books . So it's obviously a calm place . People are not there to talk very loud , but they can sit and relax , and uh still look at at the mountains . Um , also So that's one of the main differences , I think , maybe one of the points that we have to talk about . 516.19 516.7 519.68 524.87 525.15 529.37 529.61 533.72 535.53 537.68 539.4 542.59 543.17 545.75 546.03 548.39 IB4005 A FIE038 0 546.848 547.359 546.87 547.29 Mm-hmm . 547.29 IB4005 C MIO036 2 548.691 591.558 548.85 591.48 Uh the other one is the admin office . So it's Gisella fifty per cent because she's only half time , and uh the fax machine . Um Gisella actually has a lot of phone calls to make and uh it's true that her activity is quite noisy when she's there . Um , it's also true that she has quite a lot of files for most of the the projects actually that we manage , so it appeared , at least to well to our group , that even if she's here only half time , she should have an office by her own because it would be quite disturbing for other people to to work in the the same office . Uh Gisella has has no objection against sharing the office . We thought it was more for the the calm of the the people . 551.18 555.34 557.46 565.91 566.36 572.38 573.28 575.1 577.54 585.17 588.52 591.48 IB4005 C MIO036 2 591.558 658.97 591.88 658.44 It's true that this blocks one of the one person rooms , but uh on the other hand , uh Maggie has no objection uh sharing an office with her assistant . And this appeared to be true also of Pierrette . We don't know about Pierrette sharing an office with two persons , but at least no problem in Pierrette sharing her office with uh Marianne , the the Swedish one , who is sort of her assistant . Um so this is why we , yeah , we put Maggie with with Bruno . And then the third main difference uh would be the the number of visitor places or free places . Uh you notice a new name in the room uh at the centre upper upper side . So that's Paola . It's true that it's someone coming next year , Susan reminded me this uh of this point , and I could not really ignore it . Uh , so um that she's an Italic , she will arrive in about two month . And the two uh , vis one and vis two , are the visitor places . You had one , I think , called free space or spare spare place . 595.54 597.31 601.94 605.42 608.96 613.38 614.65 618.17 620.25 620.69 623.56 631.61 636.56 637.87 640.83 643.2 645.6 646.03 648.53 650.88 652.04 653.17 654.36 655.01 655.27 658.44 IB4005 A FIE038 0 643.392 643.68 643.41 643.65 Mm-hmm . 643.65 IB4005 A FIE038 0 656.704 657.28 656.72 657.1 Yeah . 657.1 IB4005 C MIO036 2 658.97 699.728 658.99 699.54 Um we didn't really reach a very good agreement on the distribution of these two rooms . So the the two at the centre , uh where is written Paola , Yalina , the two visitors and then Maria plus David . So I think there is quite a lot of space here to uh switch a little bit among the people , just to make some kind of smooth occupancy rate , so not to have one empty room when we have no visitors , um and uh then a very full room when everybody is is here . So I think we're we are quite willing to split and put say maybe one visitor with Maria and David uh fifty per cent in the other room with the second visitor , so that it smooth is . 664.03 665.89 667.6 668.18 670.98 676.84 679.83 683.66 688.45 697.92 699.54 IB4005 A FIE038 0 693.864 694.382 694.06 694.33 Mm-hmm . 694.33 IB4005 A FIE038 0 698.544 705.232 698.56 705.2 But realistically we don't actually have that many visitors coming in . I've been here for almost two years , and we've had a couple of stagieurs , but that's it . 701.66 703.02 704.46 705.2 IB4005 C MIO036 2 705.264 726.0 705.28 725.92 Well , yeah , exactly so the visitors are uh basically stagieur and it happens that sometimes we have two of them even if it's only for three or four month . Martin seemed to insist that when we have a visiting professor , for instance , we cannot really put him with Gisella , because , well they wouldn't feel very nice , they they made a joke about that . 705.57 705.77 714.48 718.81 719.97 722.01 722.87 724.41 725.92 IB4005 A FIE038 0 725.344 726.832 725.36 726.832 No , for a professor , yeah , but 725.57 726.29 726.59 IB4005 D MIO078 3 726.848 727.184 726.88 727.08 Mm . 727.08 IB4005 C MIO036 2 727.104 736.912 727.12 736.912 So we should manage some kind of decent space . It's true that these one or two last one or two years we didn't have uh a visiting professor . But um 729.59 735.31 IB4005 C MIO036 2 738.0 761.968 738.02 761.93 Yeah , so uh I think , yeah , these are the three main points . So one is the place of the lounge . Uh , the other one is the uh the place of the admin office with Gisella . And the third one is the number of visitor visiting people and uh , well , how many of them we want to accommodate and where where we put it . These , I think , are the three main differences . Otherwise , we pretty much agree on uh on placing people . 738.22 739.08 739.27 741.21 743.72 744.03 748.3 752.81 753.05 755.91 756.18 756.5 757.73 758.26 761.93 IB4005 A FIE038 0 762.89 767.6 762.95 767.57 Oh , in a way , if that's your argumentation , then put a visiting person with a senior 764.22 764.54 765.54 IB4005 B MIE032 1 763.36 763.952 763.38 763.84 Hmm . 763.84 IB4005 A FIE038 0 768.608 772.848 768.69 772.81 researcher , at least , if not a professor , rather than two students . 769.26 769.81 770.62 772.81 IB4005 C MIO036 2 768.96 769.468 768.98 769.37 Mm-hmm . 769.37 IB4005 C MIO036 2 773.136 778.016 773.16 778.016 Mm-hmm . Um sorry ? I I didn't understand . 774.46 775.72 777.96 IB4005 A FIE038 0 778.347 787.776 778.347 787.74 If you're gonna argue that the visitors are supposed to be important and they should have their own space , then put them with another researcher , rather than two students . 783.09 785.21 787.74 IB4005 C MIO036 2 781.84 782.416 781.87 782.31 Mm-hmm . 782.31 IB4005 C MIO036 2 786.464 786.944 786.49 786.91 Mm-hmm . 786.91 IB4005 C MIO036 2 788.304 812.0 788.32 811.97 Yeah , that's that's true , I think , yeah , they are are quite open to to this . Martin also reminded us that he is quite noisy . He has a lot of uh phone calls to make , even if it's here if he's here only fifty per cent of the time . Um , so yeah , I I I don't mind this , but uh that's something But it's true , yeah , we could also try to put a visitor and the professor . 788.53 789.4 789.98 790.2 792.25 794.97 797.09 801.07 802.55 803.4 805.01 808.11 808.29 811.97 IB4005 B MIE032 1 812.672 812.976 812.69 812.94 Hmm . 812.94 IB4005 C MIO036 2 813.024 845.808 813.05 845.76 Um , Martin made another point . It was the fact that sometimes professor have to professors have to discuss sensitive matters about projects and financing , and they sometimes might feel uncomfortable discussing this with their well , in the presence of their P_H_D_ students . Like saying , oh I I have to reduce her t from eighty per cent to fifty per cent . That's probably something So I I mean , all these are constraints . I don't know how how you would like us to proceed from from here , or if you already have questions or reactions on this one . 814.0 815.5 822.48 827.56 830.03 830.52 834.63 838.03 839.17 842.74 845.76 IB4005 B MIE032 1 829.552 830.032 829.58 829.95 Mm-hmm . 829.95 IB4005 B MIE032 1 836.384 836.752 836.44 836.7 Uh-uh . 836.7 IB4005 B MIE032 1 846.736 846.992 846.85 846.94 Mm . 846.94 IB4005 D MIO078 3 847.472 849.984 847.49 849.984 But how often the lounge is used , um 849.67 IB4005 D MIO078 3 851.52 855.776 851.54 855.776 People uses on regular basis daily basis or - IB4005 A FIE038 0 855.92 889.408 855.94 889.37 Fairly regularly there's at least one or two people in there . I mean it's a Yeah . It's a fairly new thing in the department , but it's being used pretty regularly or something that a lot of people wanted , just sort of quiet space out of your office that doesn't have the office furniture , the office chairs , it sort of has comfortable sofas and armchairs and things like that , where you can just go and relax , and or if you wanna read something for a longer period of time in a more comfortable environment . And because we do a lot of reading and things like that , it does get used fairly often . 860.3 861.72 864.58 868.51 873.13 874.02 877.65 879.78 884.69 887.56 889.37 IB4005 D MIO078 3 857.649 858.018 857.74 857.85 Oh . 857.85 IB4005 D MIO078 3 859.568 859.92 859.59 859.89 Yeah . 859.89 IB4005 B MIE032 1 860.256 861.472 860.28 861.44 In the lounge , yeah . 861.16 861.44 IB4005 D MIO078 3 864.256 864.741 864.45 864.66 Okay . 864.66 IB4005 D MIO078 3 868.848 869.056 868.87 869.0 Hmm . 869.0 IB4005 B MIE032 1 876.788 877.195 876.81 877.15 Mm-hmm . 877.15 IB4005 D MIO078 3 880.158 880.816 880.34 880.69 Hmm . 880.69 IB4005 B MIE032 1 889.328 895.199 889.35 895.07 So it's not a place for discussion . And it's it's it's a quiet place . Yeah . 891.93 894.87 895.07 IB4005 A FIE038 0 892.752 906.608 892.78 906.57 We sort of have an open policy where if there's no one in there and you want to have a discussion , then that's fine , but you can't displace people who are in there reading , just because you want to have a mini-meeting or whatever . 898.44 899.5 903.56 906.57 IB4005 B MIE032 1 899.264 899.728 899.32 899.69 Mm-hmm . 899.69 IB4005 B MIE032 1 903.024 903.6 903.04 903.57 Mm I see . 903.57 IB4005 D MIO078 3 902.97 903.711 903.06 903.48 Okay . 903.48 IB4005 C MIO036 2 903.756 904.569 903.9 904.45 Mm-hmm . 904.45 IB4005 B MIE032 1 906.56 917.616 906.58 917.58 And so i there's no are you planning some kind of partition between the lounge and the offices or ar How are you gonna keep those things I think should ask the question to you , how are you gonna keep them separate ? 'Cause it seems like 915.84 917.1 IB4005 D MIO078 3 911.268 911.897 911.3 911.73 Yes . 911.73 IB4005 C MIO036 2 913.952 917.376 913.98 917.376 Mm-hmm . Yeah um 915.18 IB4005 A FIE038 0 916.24 916.614 916.26 916.57 Yeah . 916.57 IB4005 C MIO036 2 917.376 937.856 917.4 937.82 Well Mm-hmm . Yeah , we Yeah , that's true , that's one of the problems . Um , well we were told that it was not really possible to build walls , but we noticed that this room actually has two doors . So uh we thought that maybe we could put some kind of , well , separation . I Yeah , maybe just , yeah , furniture or just uh some kind of screen . 918.74 918.91 919.61 920.04 921.33 922.09 925.57 928.78 931.53 931.81 933.06 934.23 935.01 935.19 937.82 IB4005 B MIE032 1 918.663 920.01 918.69 919.92 fairly separate functions . 919.92 IB4005 D MIO078 3 927.681 928.432 927.83 928.4 Yeah . 928.4 IB4005 D MIO078 3 930.968 931.449 931.15 931.27 Yeah . 931.27 IB4005 B MIE032 1 932.672 935.45 932.672 935.31 Book-cases or something or Yeah . 935.31 IB4005 D MIO078 3 933.184 933.984 933.22 933.95 Mm yeah . 933.95 IB4005 D MIO078 3 934.972 935.344 935.09 935.28 Yeah . 935.28 IB4005 B MIE032 1 936.751 937.195 936.91 937.1 Hmm . 937.1 IB4005 B MIE032 1 937.968 941.019 938.11 940.85 But it won't be uh an acoustic separation ? 940.85 IB4005 C MIO036 2 940.528 942.528 940.55 942.528 No , it's not sound-proof . 940.79 942.06 IB4005 B MIE032 1 941.824 950.64 941.84 950.61 So if if the Those are students there ? So if they're noisy , that could disrupt the quiet of the lounge . Um , 945.78 946.72 950.05 950.61 IB4005 A FIE038 0 944.816 945.872 944.84 945.872 Yeah , they're 945.25 IB4005 A FIE038 0 949.04 949.481 949.06 949.27 Yeah . 949.27 IB4005 A FIE038 0 951.6 964.384 951.63 964.3 Which is sort of why in our proposal we had it completely as a separate room . So if you really want peace and quiet , you shut the door and when the doors are shut , like unless someone's making noise right outside the door , it really is fairly quiet . 955.99 957.67 960.73 963.05 964.3 IB4005 B MIE032 1 951.827 952.265 952.05 952.265 but - IB4005 C MIO036 2 951.937 952.787 952.09 952.7 Mm-hmm . 952.7 IB4005 B MIE032 1 953.84 954.79 953.88 954.62 As a separate room . 954.62 IB4005 B MIE032 1 955.106 955.716 955.13 955.49 Mm-hmm . 955.49 IB4005 C MIO036 2 955.632 956.08 955.67 956.05 Mm-hmm . 956.05 IB4005 D MIO078 3 957.437 957.776 957.58 957.74 Mm . 957.74 IB4005 C MIO036 2 960.688 961.23 960.72 961.13 Mm-hmm . 961.13 IB4005 D MIO078 3 960.98 961.498 961.09 961.39 Yeah . 961.39 IB4005 B MIE032 1 964.368 964.977 964.4 964.87 Mm-hmm . 964.87 IB4005 C MIO036 2 964.72 966.432 964.74 966.4 Mm-hmm . Yeah . 966.16 966.4 IB4005 B MIE032 1 966.544 977.233 966.68 977.233 But you've also put the lounge in a a very k kind of a high-traffic area where the mailboxes are , the printer and the restrooms . So that's um 972.37 976.01 IB4005 C MIO036 2 973.52 974.112 973.55 974.08 Mm-hmm . 974.08 IB4005 B MIE032 1 978.368 980.368 978.39 980.32 That may also tha that may be good for - IB4005 B MIE032 1 981.392 988.656 981.55 988.62 meeting people and bumping into people , but it's maybe against the idea if it's a very supposed to be an isolated quiet spot . 983.51 988.62 IB4005 C MIO036 2 987.056 987.747 987.09 987.66 Mm-hmm . 987.66 IB4005 A FIE038 0 988.912 989.274 988.93 989.22 Mm-hmm . 989.22 IB4005 C MIO036 2 989.056 1014.14 989.08 1013.62 Mm-hmm . Yeah , well , it was actually this pressure from from my group that led to this , to squeeze a little bit uh the place of the lounge . Now , how for instance would the university feel about a room that would be only used as a lounge ? Would they feel it's too empty and that we have too much space ? Or w is there no problem ? The Do do you see a problem with having a l a room just for a lounge or no ? 990.63 991.05 991.29 995.6 998.38 999.01 1004.09 1008.44 1010.14 1013.62 IB4005 B MIE032 1 990.096 991.373 990.15 991.373 So I d mm , you know 990.7 IB4005 B MIE032 1 998.064 998.448 998.1 998.41 Mm-hmm . 998.41 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1003.968 1004.695 1004.0 1004.51 Mm-hmm . 1004.51 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1008.704 1009.104 1008.72 1009.07 Hmm . 1009.07 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1013.408 1014.016 1013.44 1013.97 Mm . 1013.97 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1015.056 1025.072 1015.08 1025.072 Well , maybe if it if it helps us pack more people into the offices , because they have a private lounge . maybe it's a good thing . Saves us money . But uh 1015.21 1018.81 1021.15 1022.01 1024.26 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1018.842 1022.896 1018.842 1022.86 Yeah . Hmm . 1022.47 1022.86 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1024.045 1024.671 1024.5 1024.59 Yeah . 1024.59 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1025.68 1031.144 1025.7 1031.08 So we could have a separate room as a lounge as long as uh we pack the other offices . 1031.08 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1031.168 1034.064 1031.19 1033.73 Uh yeah , I guess that's Let's see , what is that ? 1031.46 1033.04 1033.73 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1032.128 1037.104 1032.15 1037.06 Mm . Personally I I have no problem with this . So um that's that's fine . 1032.63 1034.92 1037.06 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1033.972 1034.342 1034.04 1034.31 Mm . 1034.31 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1039.168 1039.632 1039.25 1039.58 Mm . 1039.58 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1040.793 1057.12 1040.87 1057.08 I mean , suppose if the need really arises and it comes to a point where we do have a lot of people , then you can get rid of the lounge , figure out what to do with the furniture , either distribute it between various offices or put it into storage somewhere . 1041.02 1046.95 1049.46 1050.81 1057.08 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1049.488 1049.984 1049.52 1049.85 Mm-hmm . 1049.85 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1051.472 1051.947 1051.49 1051.82 Mm-hmm . 1051.82 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1053.232 1053.824 1053.26 1053.78 Mm yeah . 1053.78 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1055.376 1063.36 1055.4 1063.27 But you're saying it does get used . So you've it's it's not a completely experimental concept . Your your department has a lounge and it gets used a lot . Yeah . 1057.0 1060.04 1063.1 1063.27 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1059.072 1059.408 1059.09 1059.37 Yeah . 1059.37 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1060.016 1069.565 1060.04 1069.47 No no no . No , this is something that it started off sort of as a discussion at the coffee table , where people were complaining that sort of in the middle of the afternoon they just wanted somewhere to go off and 1061.55 1061.67 1065.59 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1065.024 1065.645 1065.04 1065.48 Mm-hmm . 1065.48 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1068.134 1069.17 1068.41 1068.48 Oh . 1068.48 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1069.28 1069.68 1069.3 1069.63 Mm-hmm . 1069.63 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1069.84 1070.449 1069.88 1070.21 Mm-hmm . 1070.21 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1069.835 1070.652 1070.07 1070.57 Yeah . 1070.57 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1071.952 1073.805 1071.97 1073.54 So you have some Oh . 1073.54 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1070.789 1076.247 1072.06 1076.15 no have some quiet time and That's where it came from . 1076.15 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1074.692 1077.248 1074.8 1077.248 So you have some books also like ? Mm hmm 1076.4 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1077.184 1096.864 1077.2 1096.83 There are bookshelves in there , but it's not really a library , 'cause everyone At the moment , everyone has a bookshelf in their office and we just go in and borrow books from everyone else . It's more really about having a comfortable place to sit um where it's not an office environment , it doesn't look anything like an office . 1078.29 1079.96 1083.05 1088.58 1094.97 1096.83 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1079.68 1080.551 1079.7 1080.34 Oh , okay . 1079.79 1080.34 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1081.456 1081.712 1081.51 1081.66 Hmm . 1081.66 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1085.28 1085.52 1085.32 1085.47 Oh . 1085.47 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1091.952 1092.288 1091.99 1092.25 Yeah . 1092.25 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1097.104 1101.52 1097.14 1101.48 Yeah , you mean you can display some new journals or a new proceedings and Yeah . 1097.56 1101.48 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1097.328 1097.804 1097.36 1097.77 Mm-hmm . 1097.77 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1097.368 1098.324 1097.51 1098.324 So it's just - IB4005 A FIE038 0 1100.096 1111.32 1100.12 1111.32 Yeah yeah , and people can come w in with their stuff or leave a newspaper or a magazine lying around for other people . We've got a bulletin board where you can paste up articles that you think are b interesting for other people , but 1101.51 1106.94 1110.97 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1101.462 1103.058 1101.64 1102.98 Yeah , yeah , exactly . Yeah . 1101.91 1102.09 1102.74 1102.98 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1101.971 1103.299 1101.99 1103.0 Yeah yeah . 1103.0 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1104.104 1104.622 1104.12 1104.44 Mm-hmm . 1104.44 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1104.076 1104.592 1104.44 1104.55 Yeah . 1104.55 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1105.75 1106.12 1105.86 1105.97 Yeah . 1105.97 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1106.905 1107.534 1107.04 1107.32 Mm-hmm . 1107.32 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1108.928 1109.413 1108.95 1109.32 Yeah . 1109.32 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1111.488 1111.728 1111.52 1111.68 Mm-hmm . 1111.68 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1111.768 1112.224 1111.94 1112.19 Yeah . 1112.19 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1112.752 1126.096 1112.77 1126.06 Okay , so I think maybe we can agree on on the lounge in a separate room if we can manage to to find space elsewhere . What about Gisella , how do you feel about putting her in a separate office ? 1113.07 1121.0 1122.35 1126.06 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1127.92 1134.584 1127.94 1134.38 Which is the case now I think . Well she has an extra Yeah . With a visitor space , yeah . Mm-hmm . 1130.04 1132.03 1133.39 1134.12 1134.38 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1127.712 1128.724 1127.96 1128.59 I d - IB4005 A FIE038 0 1130.311 1148.624 1130.33 1148.59 Well she shares an office , so Which is why we were thinking that it wouldn't be a problem to s keep her with a spare person , because that's the w the situation it is right now , and if you're a stagieur and you're coming , and you don't necessarily expect to have a full-blown office , if you are only there for about two months . 1131.49 1138.07 1140.36 1143.1 1146.81 1148.59 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1136.77 1137.612 1136.9 1137.44 Mm-hmm . 1137.44 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1143.168 1143.692 1143.2 1143.63 Mm-hmm . 1143.63 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1148.624 1149.284 1148.65 1148.95 Mm-hmm . 1148.95 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1148.864 1157.296 1148.88 1157.26 Yeah , it depends on what kind of visitor you are exactly . So we could say some kind of low key visitor . This is uh very nice . Mm-hmm . 1149.07 1151.91 1155.14 1156.75 1157.26 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1151.584 1151.92 1151.6 1151.89 Yeah . 1151.89 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1156.336 1156.979 1156.37 1156.84 Mm-hmm . 1156.84 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1158.304 1162.304 1158.32 1162.304 You mean these fifty per cents , I mean , they're all separate or 1160.52 1160.78 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1162.656 1168.448 1162.68 1168.41 Actually , Gisella fifty per cent means that she's there half time , uh generally in the mornings . 1163.12 1166.98 1168.41 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1166.8 1167.308 1166.82 1167.0 Yeah . 1167.0 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1168.364 1168.993 1168.74 1168.92 Okay . 1168.92 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1168.8 1210.432 1168.85 1210.4 Gisella has a fixed schedule for when she's there , but David and Martin are sort of they f it fluctuates . Like they can't say that they'll be there Monday , Tuesday and half of Wednesday , and not the rest of the time , which is part of the problem . I mean , they can't s specify when exactly they'll be there . So our rationale for putting them in a three person room is is that it doesn't matter when they're there and whether they're there for certain hours or not . It's just either there's two or three people in those rooms , and sometimes there's less , sometimes there's more , because we also don't work fixed hours . It's not like we work , you know , nine to five or whatever . Everyone sort of keeps their own hours . 1171.0 1174.49 1176.47 1178.82 1180.44 1181.84 1183.7 1187.93 1196.78 1200.04 1200.99 1203.01 1204.99 1206.08 1206.33 1207.49 1210.4 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1168.743 1169.15 1168.93 1169.11 Yeah . 1169.11 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1170.176 1170.805 1170.2 1170.58 Yeah , okay . 1170.42 1170.58 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1173.28 1173.632 1173.3 1173.44 Yeah . 1173.44 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1174.8 1176.058 1174.82 1175.85 I mean , they don't Okay . 1175.03 1175.85 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1176.88 1177.296 1176.9 1177.26 Yeah yeah . 1177.26 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1178.448 1178.848 1178.47 1178.81 Yeah okay . 1178.81 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1178.912 1179.488 1178.95 1179.42 Mm-hmm . 1179.42 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1187.872 1188.568 1187.9 1188.52 Mm-hmm . 1188.52 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1196.976 1197.36 1197.0 1197.32 Mm-hmm . 1197.32 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1197.928 1198.568 1198.12 1198.3 Yeah . 1198.3 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1202.464 1202.928 1202.49 1202.89 Mm-hmm . 1202.89 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1208.384 1208.688 1208.43 1208.64 Mm-hmm . 1208.64 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1211.248 1216.224 1211.27 1216.19 So , can you just summarize briefly the differences between your two proposals , the key differences ? 1211.5 1215.24 1216.19 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1217.712 1223.397 1217.73 1223.09 Um , I think it's what I tried to to do before , it's the shared lounge , uh th 1218.31 1220.35 1222.63 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1217.688 1218.664 1217.76 1218.63 Uh sh shared - IB4005 D MIO078 3 1219.801 1220.327 1219.94 1220.07 Yeah . 1220.07 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1219.827 1224.736 1220.16 1224.7 Yeah , the shared lounge , the the assistants with their professors . 1220.29 1222.18 1224.7 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1225.36 1226.048 1225.38 1226.048 Um - IB4005 B MIE032 1 1225.376 1227.168 1225.58 1227.13 In two cases . Yeah ? 1226.86 1227.13 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1227.104 1227.482 1227.12 1227.38 Yeah . 1227.38 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1227.264 1230.112 1227.28 1229.92 And then secretary has separate room . 1229.92 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1227.936 1229.985 1227.98 1229.63 Do you have assistants with professors ? 1229.63 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1230.048 1233.668 1230.07 1233.668 We have Pierrette and Marianne in the same - IB4005 C MIO036 2 1232.608 1239.552 1232.63 1239.552 Yeah . No , I think this is quite accepted and it's a bit the case . No , I think it's uh the lounge uh the admin room 1232.98 1233.15 1236.37 1236.46 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1234.784 1236.288 1234.8 1236.25 Oh okay . So that's okay . Yeah . 1235.08 1235.96 1236.25 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1235.678 1236.655 1235.8 1236.655 Yeah , okay 'cause 1236.18 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1236.954 1238.545 1237.14 1238.49 So Yeah . 1238.49 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1239.568 1240.19 1239.59 1239.96 Yeah , okay . 1239.71 1239.96 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1239.856 1243.4 1239.88 1243.23 T_V_ at The lounge , the admin room separate . Not shared . 1240.88 1242.11 1243.23 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1240.56 1240.912 1240.58 1240.88 An - IB4005 C MIO036 2 1241.984 1266.608 1242.1 1266.608 Yeah , and the number of slots for visitors and for this new student who arrives , because having just one spare place , this was probably the strongest disagreement in my group . People said uh we should have at least two or three spare places , just for , you know , growing or sometimes you have three interns that arrive . So even if they are not perfect places . Um 1242.32 1247.98 1250.23 1253.37 1258.29 1258.97 1259.59 1263.3 1266.09 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1242.241 1242.87 1242.29 1242.69 Yeah . 1242.69 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1244.017 1245.218 1244.19 1245.18 For visitors . 1245.18 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1245.408 1245.696 1245.43 1245.65 Mm . 1245.65 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1252.944 1253.408 1253.08 1253.37 Mm-hmm . 1253.37 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1258.048 1258.336 1258.13 1258.3 Mm . 1258.3 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1262.928 1263.638 1262.96 1263.37 Mm-hmm . 1263.37 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1269.52 1275.316 1269.62 1275.28 Okay , so you basically achieve that by giving less space to the reading room , I think . 1269.84 1274.84 1275.28 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1274.896 1275.248 1274.92 1275.21 Mm-hmm . 1275.21 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1275.696 1278.8 1275.72 1278.76 Yeah , that's yeah , that's how we did in in our proposal , yeah . 1275.94 1276.56 1278.55 1278.76 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1275.69 1277.351 1275.75 1277.1 Yeah . Right . 1276.78 1277.1 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1275.836 1276.409 1275.9 1276.15 Yeah . 1276.15 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1276.065 1276.688 1276.37 1276.57 Yeah . 1276.57 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1278.72 1279.024 1278.74 1278.99 Yeah . 1278.99 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1280.0 1280.704 1280.05 1280.65 Uh . 1280.65 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1282.464 1302.016 1282.48 1302.016 So I guess what One of the questions is how important is the reading room to your group really ? Is it is it something that's a very valued thing that has to be protected , um , or is it okay to l make it be kind of this spare space that gets used up a little bit when you need when you have some extra visitors or things like that . I think that's 1286.32 1292.08 1292.84 1301.37 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1286.768 1287.104 1286.79 1286.91 Yeah . 1286.91 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1292.784 1293.507 1292.82 1293.24 Mm-hmm . 1293.24 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1295.424 1295.966 1295.45 1295.91 Yeah . 1295.91 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1299.216 1299.623 1299.24 1299.47 Yeah . 1299.47 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1301.216 1301.552 1301.24 1301.51 Yeah . 1301.51 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1302.656 1303.12 1302.69 1303.07 Mm-hmm . 1303.07 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1303.376 1317.392 1303.52 1317.36 I think , because it's a fairly new thing , it's a little hard to say at this point . I think that most people like it , now that it's there , they sort of see the value of it and they wouldn't want to see it wiped out entirely , definitely . 1303.92 1305.16 1309.07 1310.81 1311.78 1316.7 1317.36 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1306.208 1306.683 1306.23 1306.5 Yeah . 1306.5 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1308.176 1308.704 1308.21 1308.66 Mm-hmm . 1308.66 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1311.796 1312.314 1311.82 1312.15 Mm yeah . 1312.15 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1316.416 1317.049 1316.45 1316.88 Mm-hmm . 1316.88 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1318.016 1318.558 1318.05 1318.49 Mm-hmm . 1318.49 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1318.176 1324.995 1318.2 1324.995 But I suppose once it if it gets eaten away a little bit , at one some point it becomes unuseful , and then Yeah . So it 1320.64 1322.46 1324.13 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1321.118 1321.636 1321.14 1321.46 Yeah . 1321.46 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1322.816 1323.348 1322.84 1323.13 Yeah . 1323.13 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1323.056 1323.472 1323.08 1323.44 Yeah . 1323.44 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1323.524 1324.16 1323.75 1324.13 Mm-hmm . 1324.13 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1324.464 1326.157 1324.48 1326.157 And that's the danger is - IB4005 C MIO036 2 1324.816 1326.222 1324.87 1326.19 Yeah , mm-hmm . 1325.88 1326.19 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1324.995 1326.192 1324.995 1326.15 Mm yeah . 1326.15 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1327.365 1341.2 1327.39 1341.17 But then we need to squeeze in in one of the three person rooms some extra visitor space and uh I I think so . If if we want to keep the reading room . Uh I think it's possible by playing a little bit with the furniture . 1335.88 1338.16 1341.17 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1329.744 1330.154 1329.8 1329.97 N d - IB4005 A FIE038 0 1334.624 1335.072 1334.65 1334.91 Yeah . 1334.91 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1341.84 1342.208 1341.86 1342.16 Hmm . 1342.16 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1342.208 1342.544 1342.23 1342.38 Mm-hmm . 1342.38 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1342.72 1363.984 1342.74 1363.94 Um , so yeah . I think another point here , and I don't know how you you feel about it , is , well , the fact that Martin is said he would be quite noisy fifty per cent of the time . So many phone calls . So I wouldn't put him in that big office , even if he's fifty per cent , but he's still a professor here and we got him from E_P_F_L_ . 1344.46 1345.95 1347.8 1349.53 1349.97 1350.21 1354.45 1355.94 1357.88 1359.32 1363.94 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1358.103 1358.621 1358.18 1358.55 Yeah . 1358.55 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1361.664 1362.032 1361.7 1361.99 Mm-hmm . 1361.99 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1364.24 1364.608 1364.3 1364.57 Mm 'kay . 1364.57 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1364.384 1364.896 1364.44 1364.86 Mm-hmm . 1364.86 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1365.264 1377.456 1365.28 1377.42 So that I I think I mean if we need to reach a solution now , I I wouldn't mind working from your plan , and doing some changes . Or if you prefer working from mine and doing other changes . 1370.53 1373.04 1374.55 1377.42 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1375.879 1377.448 1376.1 1377.36 Sure . Either way . 1376.8 1377.36 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1379.704 1380.736 1379.84 1380.736 So um - IB4005 A FIE038 0 1380.848 1383.152 1380.88 1383.12 Okay well , since this one's up , keep this one in . 1381.16 1382.37 1383.12 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1383.312 1397.968 1383.33 1397.92 Okay , yeah . Depends how how easy you can write in it . Okay , so let's keep the reading room . Uh also I think Pierrette Pierrette and Martin p should deserve at least I think offices with one person , not with two . 1383.6 1384.31 1388.41 1388.7 1390.65 1397.05 1397.92 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1386.896 1388.01 1386.92 1387.87 Easily , go ahead . 1387.49 1387.87 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1390.368 1390.72 1390.4 1390.67 Mm-hmm . 1390.67 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1393.736 1394.412 1393.84 1394.31 Yeah . 1394.31 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1395.712 1396.692 1395.73 1396.65 Double rooms . 1396.65 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1398.272 1398.704 1398.33 1398.67 Mm 'kay . 1398.67 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1399.463 1400.0 1399.48 1400.0 Uh - IB4005 D MIO078 3 1399.472 1404.912 1399.49 1404.67 Maybe can you combine both , or like in two person room , Pierrette too ? 1400.97 1403.24 1404.67 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1403.888 1404.928 1403.91 1404.89 Pierrette and Martin ? 1404.89 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1404.912 1407.035 1405.01 1406.8 Yeah , Martin is fifty per cent . 1405.19 1406.8 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1406.416 1415.712 1406.44 1415.712 Yeah . We we never asked them , it could be , but um on the other side they have , I think , no real project in common , so I wonder 1407.24 1408.44 1409.21 1411.5 1411.86 1413.97 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1410.272 1411.244 1410.29 1411.244 Maybe - IB4005 D MIO078 3 1415.888 1416.672 1415.97 1416.45 Okay . 1416.45 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1416.8 1426.544 1416.83 1426.5 Whe I I think I would prefer , and probably my group would prefer , to see them with the respective assistants , and I think Pierrette plus Marianne is a very good combination . 1420.21 1421.62 1423.81 1426.5 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1426.672 1427.056 1426.7 1427.02 Mm-hmm . 1427.02 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1427.6 1437.889 1427.62 1437.8 Why not switching them from , yeah , that office ? Yeah , switch the whole group . Yeah , Marianne Swedish , and then Pierrette . 1431.0 1431.22 1432.76 1433.3 1435.19 1435.47 1436.65 1437.8 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1431.792 1432.048 1431.81 1432.0 Here ? 1432.0 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1435.226 1436.0 1435.45 1436.0 Out - IB4005 B MIE032 1 1439.904 1441.92 1439.92 1441.92 So what does that mean , Swedish um 1440.62 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1441.623 1447.76 1441.86 1447.64 There's two Mariannes , one is Swedish , one is Finnish . So we just call them the Swedish and the Finnish . 1442.75 1443.4 1444.09 1447.64 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1441.984 1443.493 1442.0 1443.44 Because there are two Mariannes . 1443.44 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1442.379 1443.6 1442.49 1443.45 Yeah . 1443.45 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1443.6 1445.876 1443.65 1445.876 One is finishing . 1445.75 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1443.84 1447.504 1443.86 1447.47 Oh , I see . Okay . Okay . 1444.08 1445.21 1446.78 1447.47 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1447.04 1451.376 1447.07 1451.34 And both family names start with S_ T_ A_ . 1451.34 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1448.146 1448.701 1448.19 1448.64 Oops . 1448.64 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1451.088 1452.992 1451.11 1452.992 Oh . 1452.69 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1451.52 1453.44 1451.52 1453.41 Oh . Okay . 1453.06 1453.41 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1452.832 1455.808 1452.85 1455.77 No . No , not true . The just S_ . Yes . 1453.38 1453.59 1454.12 1455.32 1455.77 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1453.288 1455.495 1453.288 1455.495 No , both start with S_ but 1453.94 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1454.976 1458.224 1455.01 1458.11 Just S_ , uh so just to know who they are , okay . 1455.73 1457.91 1458.11 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1462.816 1464.784 1462.86 1464.75 Uh , it was Bruno , right ? 1463.36 1464.55 1464.75 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1465.201 1465.719 1465.45 1465.62 Yeah . 1465.62 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1467.232 1467.632 1467.32 1467.6 Mm 'kay . 1467.6 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1468.288 1469.104 1468.32 1469.05 Mm-hmm . 1469.05 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1470.256 1473.68 1470.28 1473.68 Now let's do something with Martin too . Um 1473.08 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1474.096 1478.4 1474.12 1478.4 But then you can create on more spared place in that big three piece room , no 1478.09 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1478.416 1478.912 1478.44 1478.83 In here ? 1478.83 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1479.196 1481.946 1479.31 1481.77 Yeah , somewhere . fifty per cent . 1479.58 1480.76 1481.77 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1479.296 1487.68 1479.32 1487.65 Yeah , maybe we can write it down , say vis vis one . David is fifty per cent and visitor one should Yeah , or spare or It's fine . 1479.56 1480.78 1482.8 1485.64 1487.65 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1481.786 1482.192 1481.84 1482.16 Okay . 1482.16 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1488.912 1491.335 1488.94 1491.335 Mm-hmm . Gisella 1490.42 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1490.304 1494.58 1490.32 1494.35 Well for m Martin If you didn't mind working with Martin , we can switch Nancy and Martin here . 1492.63 1494.35 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1493.424 1498.048 1493.44 1498.0 Yeah , mm-hmm . I think that's closer to what I said . 1494.0 1494.96 1498.0 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1498.272 1498.656 1498.31 1498.62 Oops . 1498.62 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1501.216 1505.968 1501.24 1505.92 Well , because actually we have this project in common . You know , call I_M_ two . 1501.42 1504.82 1505.09 1505.92 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1506.032 1509.664 1506.06 1509.47 Yeah . Ah . Wrong keyboard . 1507.33 1508.46 1509.47 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1510.253 1512.304 1510.57 1512.304 I've heard of that . 1512.12 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1514.528 1520.512 1514.528 1520.512 Um yeah , I think it's And so d could we um 1516.79 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1520.56 1528.912 1520.58 1528.88 So we can say that this is sort of for But then again you get the more formal visitor in with a bunch of students in a crowded room . 1528.88 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1526.016 1526.464 1526.04 1526.43 Mm-hmm . 1526.43 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1529.504 1534.448 1529.504 1534.448 Well , I think , yeah , always Gisella , but I think there is no way to uh 1530.38 1531.24 1531.44 1532.55 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1534.368 1538.74 1534.39 1538.7 Well , you can say that this one is for let's say stagieurs or interns . 1534.51 1538.7 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1537.104 1539.952 1537.13 1539.952 Mm-hmm . Yeah , sort of second uh 1538.27 1538.6 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1540.608 1541.296 1540.63 1541.296 Um - IB4005 D MIO078 3 1540.506 1541.168 1540.63 1540.97 Yeah yeah yeah . 1540.97 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1541.28 1542.288 1541.3 1542.16 Um , yeah . 1541.82 1542.16 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1542.512 1549.31 1542.53 1549.04 But then you can move administration to the single room . The k Because she's only fifty per cent working and 1545.69 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1549.584 1549.968 1549.6 1549.93 Yeah . 1549.93 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1550.336 1551.184 1550.36 1551.184 and she will - IB4005 C MIO036 2 1553.136 1557.579 1553.21 1557.37 So you would put Gisella in a one person room ? Yeah ? Yeah . 1556.6 1557.19 1557.37 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1554.326 1561.536 1554.44 1561.536 Oh yeah . Yeah , and give that room to f some professor with a student or from for visitor with the visiting place or 1555.86 1556.61 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1562.352 1562.88 1562.37 1562.84 Mm-hmm . 1562.84 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1565.824 1568.344 1565.89 1568.344 Yeah , we could , yeah , even put 1566.16 1567.17 1567.39 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1569.008 1570.816 1569.03 1570.78 Well you can move Maggie and Bruno - IB4005 C MIO036 2 1572.224 1575.832 1572.24 1575.8 We couldn't put Maggie and Bruno together . That's obviously the case . 1574.15 1575.8 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1573.07 1581.056 1573.44 1580.93 into this room . Move Gisella , move the other spare place to the big room , but then there's not a lot of people in there . 1574.77 1575.65 1578.49 1580.93 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1581.216 1581.888 1581.25 1581.84 Mm-hmm . 1581.84 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1583.312 1592.048 1583.34 1592.0 No , let's leave it like this for the moment . How do you feel , because your office well , three persons and you are all full time in there , so you with Nancy and Maria ? 1583.65 1585.52 1586.1 1587.57 1590.12 1592.0 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1592.112 1594.224 1592.13 1594.19 We're not terribly noisy , I think it'll be fine . 1593.23 1594.19 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1594.208 1597.888 1594.23 1597.85 Uh-huh . Yeah and you have Parmenides in common with Nancy . 1595.03 1597.85 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1597.808 1608.256 1597.88 1608.22 Yeah . And I am too in common with Maria . And we work on slightly different schedules too , 'cause Maria and I tend to work earlier and Nancy tends to work later . So that shouldn't be a problem . 1599.18 1601.16 1602.92 1607.23 1608.22 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1600.384 1600.896 1600.4 1600.85 Mm-hmm . 1600.85 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1606.672 1607.2 1606.71 1607.16 Mm-hmm . 1607.16 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1610.24 1610.592 1610.27 1610.55 Mm-hmm . 1610.55 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1610.96 1645.545 1611.01 1645.545 And do you think we could put a visitor with Nikos and Yalina ? Because it's it's also it's not very clear , you know , Yalina's that we said in our meeting . Yalina's master thesis should be defended in a couple of months or something like that . So we don't really know what happens afterwards . So we could at least think it's sort of an open place . Or we could get that office for you and Nancy and put Nikos and uh Yalina with Maria and a visitor ? What about that ? Wouldn't you like to have a calmer spot ? 1614.43 1616.85 1617.14 1619.42 1626.26 1628.93 1632.85 1640.98 1642.24 1645.17 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1624.955 1625.642 1625.14 1625.61 Mm-hmm . 1625.61 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1631.52 1631.824 1631.54 1631.79 Yeah . 1631.79 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1632.08 1632.48 1632.1 1632.45 Mm-hmm . 1632.45 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1633.856 1634.275 1633.88 1634.1 Yeah . 1634.1 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1642.105 1642.996 1642.28 1642.76 Yeah . 1642.76 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1644.768 1645.152 1644.79 1645.12 Sure . 1645.12 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1646.512 1648.736 1646.53 1648.736 Um , so you want to do 1647.32 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1649.536 1649.776 1649.56 1649.74 Mm . 1649.74 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1650.176 1651.44 1650.2 1651.41 That's gonna back-fire on me . 1651.41 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1652.576 1659.248 1652.6 1659.21 So when you when you put four people in that office , does that mean you're planning on four desks ? You need space for four desks ? Yeah . 1655.3 1657.24 1658.94 1659.21 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1658.48 1658.977 1658.5 1658.88 Yeah . 1658.88 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1659.904 1665.671 1659.92 1665.48 And that's the problem is that you either get smaller desks , 'cause the ones that we have now won't fit . 1663.7 1665.48 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1660.478 1662.16 1660.82 1662.13 Do you know if it's possible . Yeah . 1661.89 1662.13 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1664.416 1681.462 1664.44 1681.35 Yeah . Yeah , but a visitor actually uh doesn't have that much paper , so for instance maybe they don't need uh , well uh the place to put their files , you know , a smaller drawer . They just need a a desk and probably just one drawer under underneath . 1666.01 1666.32 1669.64 1672.16 1674.45 1674.77 1676.47 1681.35 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1669.984 1670.304 1670.0 1670.27 Yeah . 1670.27 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1674.912 1675.563 1674.96 1675.28 Mm right . 1675.28 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1679.264 1679.472 1679.3 1679.44 Yeah . 1679.44 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1680.4 1683.694 1680.44 1683.66 Mm-hmm . And so you can fit that , you think . 1681.78 1683.27 1683.66 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1683.664 1686.976 1683.7 1686.91 But you can't put three desks in the two person rooms . 1686.91 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1686.992 1687.504 1687.09 1687.47 No . 1687.47 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1686.91 1693.824 1687.5 1693.79 Yeah , probably not . I think it wouldn't be uh Yalina and maybe we could think of a visitor too here ? 1687.88 1688.57 1693.79 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1688.64 1689.127 1688.66 1689.05 Mm-hmm . 1689.05 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1689.168 1689.722 1689.19 1689.61 Yeah . 1689.61 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1695.184 1695.935 1695.2 1695.935 So that - IB4005 A FIE038 0 1695.36 1696.624 1695.38 1696.59 I think it's gonna be too much . 1696.59 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1697.152 1697.728 1697.17 1697.69 Think so ? 1697.69 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1699.376 1701.182 1699.4 1700.84 Well , Maria is full-time . 1699.61 1700.84 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1699.336 1707.696 1699.53 1707.65 Because remember there is also this Paola arriving um on the new project . So , you know , Susan insisted that uh 1704.88 1705.81 1706.05 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1709.136 1709.856 1709.16 1709.856 we should be - IB4005 C MIO036 2 1713.056 1723.552 1713.08 1723.552 And it it's al also it's not very clear because Nikos and Yalina are Well , Nikos is um research student , Yalina will finish her master thesis , so it's 1718.02 1720.83 1723.1 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1725.36 1728.56 1725.38 1728.52 Yeah , okay . Yeah , Paola or Mm-hmm . 1725.52 1726.22 1726.63 1728.52 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1727.11 1728.016 1727.25 1727.96 So just like that ? 1727.96 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1729.584 1732.043 1729.61 1731.62 Or maybe Paola will be able to choose . 1731.62 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1731.37 1731.872 1731.47 1731.83 Mm . 1731.83 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1732.752 1739.449 1732.77 1739.02 Yeah , I think that's quite okay . I don't know about any preference of Maggie being alone or with Bruno , or no ? 1732.94 1733.85 1738.54 1739.02 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1734.1 1734.597 1734.33 1734.46 No ? 1734.46 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1734.029 1734.816 1734.34 1734.62 Okay . 1734.62 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1738.4 1739.6 1738.46 1739.55 I don't think she cares . 1739.55 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1740.144 1740.512 1740.16 1740.4 Yeah . 1740.4 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1741.056 1741.36 1741.09 1741.27 Mm . 1741.27 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1741.52 1748.384 1741.54 1748.384 Um , David mentioned also that there should be some kind of gender balance . 1742.32 1748.23 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1747.168 1748.256 1747.168 1747.92 Yeah . 1747.92 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1748.384 1751.808 1748.44 1751.77 Uh I don't know if there is a strong constraint , but I think we are doing pretty well . 1750.41 1751.77 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1751.728 1759.904 1751.75 1759.904 You mean Maybe you should break the wall between the men's room and the women's room . Sorry . 1756.88 1759.81 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1751.808 1753.408 1752.4 1753.408 Well , so 1753.05 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1756.112 1764.912 1756.112 1764.912 I'm not sure that was what was meant , but 1763.11 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1761.799 1764.0 1762.16 1764.0 No . 1763.55 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1764.192 1770.245 1764.22 1770.13 Actu Bruno did mention that he didn't want to be in a room with a lot of people , 'cause he did that before and he didn't really like it . 1767.34 1770.13 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1771.321 1772.468 1771.56 1772.468 So maybe - IB4005 D MIO078 3 1771.536 1772.112 1771.6 1771.98 Oh mm . 1771.98 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1773.36 1773.696 1773.39 1773.62 Ha . 1773.62 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1773.936 1778.272 1773.96 1778.24 I don't know , I can switch with him , and we can put him and Nancy together . I don't mind , it doesn't really bother me . 1774.29 1775.05 1776.82 1777.3 1778.24 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1778.928 1787.152 1778.95 1787.04 Okay , that's fine if he mentioned this to you , that's quite nice . And okay , yeah , I'm with Martin . Not very balanced . 1779.31 1781.25 1783.58 1784.53 1784.83 1786.04 1787.04 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1780.636 1781.776 1780.94 1781.74 Okay . Yeah . 1781.44 1781.74 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1781.63 1782.016 1781.66 1781.97 Mm-hmm . 1781.97 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1789.584 1793.792 1789.65 1793.792 Well , the gender balancing , we have more women than men in our department anyways so 1789.8 1790.69 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1790.976 1791.653 1791.0 1791.38 Mm-hmm . 1791.38 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1794.048 1813.73 1794.07 1813.49 Yeah , that's why Okay , if you don't mind me sharing the office with Martin , that's fine . Okay , yeah , that looks good . So Agnes with Marianne and David . Yeah , so you have I_M_ two in common . That's nice and he is fifty per cent , so that means the office is not very crowded . Okay , the other one is a bit crowded , but that's okay . Gisel 1794.5 1795.39 1798.07 1799.45 1799.66 1799.86 1800.48 1802.81 1802.97 1805.39 1806.97 1810.02 1810.28 1811.8 1812.94 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1799.04 1799.264 1799.07 1799.22 No . 1799.22 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1800.963 1801.784 1801.02 1801.61 Okay ? 1801.61 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1812.656 1815.584 1812.68 1815.35 Do you see any constraints from any administrative sides ? 1815.35 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1815.568 1816.032 1815.61 1816.0 Mm . 1816.0 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1816.016 1816.704 1816.05 1816.65 Mm . 1816.65 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1818.736 1823.517 1818.76 1823.517 But even like you can put mm Paola in administrate office like - IB4005 B MIE032 1 1822.816 1823.184 1822.87 1823.15 Mm . 1823.15 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1824.464 1829.482 1824.48 1829.1 You're already three people . Mm , it looks like small room compared to the other three p 1826.19 1826.74 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1828.528 1829.12 1828.57 1829.04 Mm-hmm . 1829.04 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1830.752 1835.28 1830.79 1835.25 Is your person to square meter ratio within the n university norms ? 1835.25 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1836.544 1837.12 1836.58 1836.98 Hmm . 1836.98 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1837.168 1840.456 1837.27 1840.456 Um I I think for the moment . 1840.21 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1837.81 1841.357 1837.81 1841.357 Good question . 1840.2 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1838.0 1861.136 1838.0 1861.01 Overall . We don't we don't , I mean , we don't want people coming in seeing this lavish reading room and and and everyone having their own office if that's not what we are having in the other places . We have to make sure that um if for example there's a spare reading room , like we were saying before . Overall your department has doesn't have excessive space per person . 1840.57 1841.27 1841.52 1851.11 1855.18 1857.06 1861.01 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1844.144 1844.4 1844.17 1844.35 Yeah . 1844.35 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1845.936 1848.189 1845.96 1847.86 Yeah . K 1847.77 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1850.528 1851.07 1850.61 1850.91 Yeah . 1850.91 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1850.736 1852.432 1850.76 1852.38 Mm-hmm . Yeah . 1852.08 1852.38 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1861.2 1861.6 1861.28 1861.56 Mm-hmm . 1861.56 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1861.76 1873.776 1861.8 1873.74 Mm-hmm . Well , what was said in in my group , actually Susan who knows professors from other um other faculties , well , she noticed that most of them have rooms alone . 1862.84 1863.56 1865.74 1870.61 1870.85 1873.74 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1874.016 1874.464 1874.06 1874.42 Mm-hmm . 1874.42 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1874.88 1935.12 1874.9 1935.12 So this is true for Susan and Maggie , but not true here for Pierrette and and and Martin . So we can already argue that uh we're squeezing in even the the professors . It's true that the reading room But you know we fought so much to have it , so let's uh let's try to have it there . And I think putting four people in a three person room is already a sign that uh we are already quite uh quite full , so um I think , yeah , it's normally the nominal capacity of this , I think , it's uh eighteen people . Um , eighteen or or seventeen . And we're only fifteen if you don't count Paola and some visitor's place . And I think it's quite important to have space for visitors , because if you have no visitors or if you cannot take a new , well , intern , during the summer , you're very much handicapped . So I think we're , yeah , on Well , the reaction of my group was that this was almost full already , so I well , we tried to 1876.85 1879.81 1885.16 1888.76 1891.08 1898.96 1900.38 1900.68 1903.54 1903.83 1906.82 1907.62 1909.9 1915.96 1919.56 1923.29 1923.52 1924.2 1925.01 1927.4 1928.23 1928.43 1930.11 1933.32 1934.36 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1897.12 1897.931 1897.28 1897.66 Mm right . 1897.66 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1906.448 1906.768 1906.47 1906.73 Yeah . 1906.73 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1906.992 1907.845 1907.08 1907.68 Mm-hmm . 1907.68 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1911.488 1912.03 1911.62 1911.97 Mm-hmm . 1911.97 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1915.568 1915.904 1915.59 1915.86 Mm-hmm . 1915.86 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1919.552 1920.128 1919.59 1919.97 Mm-hmm . 1919.97 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1926.272 1926.672 1926.38 1926.64 Mm-hmm . 1926.64 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1933.344 1933.744 1933.38 1933.7 Mm-hmm . 1933.7 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1934.144 1937.072 1934.19 1937.04 Yeah . So basically , we're moving into a new space , but it's 1934.96 1935.52 1936.67 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1935.876 1936.579 1935.9 1936.49 I thin - IB4005 B MIE032 1 1937.033 1937.472 1937.05 1937.44 Mm-hmm . 1937.44 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1938.256 1940.416 1938.28 1940.416 only marginally better than the old one . 1940.37 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1940.208 1940.86 1940.38 1940.8 Mm yeah . 1940.8 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1940.496 1940.992 1940.52 1940.95 Mm-hmm . 1940.95 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1942.032 1949.872 1942.05 1949.84 Yeah , so I think , yeah , what we could say about the reading room is that we we squeeze quite a lot of people in in the other offices , so I think it's okay . 1942.72 1943.36 1943.51 1948.42 1949.84 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1942.96 1943.48 1942.98 1943.22 Mm bu - IB4005 B MIE032 1 1947.488 1948.026 1947.52 1947.98 Mm-hmm . 1947.98 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1949.137 1949.743 1949.16 1949.65 Alright . 1949.65 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1952.016 1952.288 1952.07 1952.22 Well , 1952.22 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1953.392 1953.92 1953.44 1953.92 Um - IB4005 B MIE032 1 1953.744 1959.339 1953.76 1959.339 it's good in case I ever have to defend it . You know , it's good to have some numbers , if you can come up with some numbers uh 1956.26 1956.47 1957.5 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1958.864 1960.32 1958.89 1960.28 Mm sure , yeah , we can do that . 1959.48 1959.73 1960.28 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1959.339 1960.656 1959.8 1960.656 Some - IB4005 B MIE032 1 1960.656 1966.32 1960.68 1966.24 And maybe uh relative to some other comparable departments . That's It's it's good to have that . 1964.45 1966.24 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1964.592 1965.2 1964.76 1965.16 Mm-hmm . 1965.16 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1964.823 1965.328 1964.97 1965.29 Mm 'kay . 1965.29 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1965.44 1966.047 1965.52 1965.77 Yeah . 1965.77 IB4005 B MIE032 1 1968.688 1979.344 1968.79 1979.344 But if you both agree with this plan and you think your group will be happy , then uh fine with me . I don't know about you , what do you think ? Yeah ? 1973.29 1975.44 1975.99 1976.85 1978.99 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1972.688 1973.008 1972.75 1972.97 Sure . 1972.97 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1973.072 1973.468 1973.09 1973.24 Yeah . 1973.24 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1976.448 1977.888 1976.47 1977.888 Yeah , it's fine . 1976.87 1977.74 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1978.064 1981.761 1978.09 1981.62 Okay . So I'll save that . Yeah . 1979.13 1981.36 1981.62 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1979.808 1987.6 1979.83 1987.5 Perfect , just save it please . Maybe it's another name . Just say okay , it's fine . 1980.26 1984.01 1986.34 1987.0 1987.5 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1993.376 1993.824 1993.46 1993.74 Okay . 1993.74 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1993.952 1994.24 1993.98 1994.2 Okay . 1994.2 IB4005 C MIO036 2 1994.912 2001.664 1994.93 2001.63 So , my group also asked to circulate the final proposal just to make sure there is no major problem . 1995.25 2001.63 IB4005 A FIE038 0 1997.717 2004.705 1997.94 2004.56 The final copy . I'll circulate it to everyone , along with the numbers that you guys wanted to see in terms of the space . 1999.07 2000.57 2004.56 IB4005 D MIO078 3 1998.977 1999.795 1999.32 1999.49 Mm-hmm . 1999.49 IB4005 D MIO078 3 2000.864 2001.226 2000.88 2001.07 Yeah . 2001.07 IB4005 D MIO078 3 2002.192 2002.448 2002.21 2002.41 Yeah . 2002.41 IB4005 B MIE032 1 2002.8 2003.356 2002.82 2003.28 Okay . 2003.28 IB4005 C MIO036 2 2003.648 2005.096 2003.71 2005.04 And the numbers . 2005.04 IB4005 A FIE038 0 2005.776 2006.208 2005.89 2006.1 Okay ? 2006.1 IB4005 D MIO078 3 2006.387 2006.765 2006.48 2006.63 Yep . 2006.63 IB4005 C MIO036 2 2006.544 2007.248 2006.56 2007.15 And we're done . 2007.15 IB4005 A FIE038 0 2007.504 2009.502 2007.52 2009.502 Great , thank you for your time . 2008.14 2009.39 IB4005 B MIE032 1 2007.68 2009.237 2007.7 2008.91 Alright . Well , thank you . 2008.07 2008.18 2008.91 IB4005 D MIO078 3 2008.759 2009.533 2008.8 2009.35 Thank you . 2009.35 IB4005 B MIE032 1 2009.771 2010.781 2009.79 2010.7 No problem . Thank you . 2010.29 2010.7 IB4005 C MIO036 2 2009.632 2011.456 2009.83 2011.42 Thank you , sirs . 2010.87 2011.42 IB4005 B MIE032 1 2012.33 2013.104 2012.55 2013.04 Okay . 2013.04 IB4010 B MIO036 1 47.09 47.424 47.14 47.37 Hi . 47.37 IB4010 D MIO046 3 47.549 48.08 47.66 48.03 Hi . 48.03 IB4010 C MIO095 2 48.224 49.04 48.29 49.04 Hello . 48.93 IB4010 A FIE038 0 48.64 49.035 48.67 48.91 Hello . 48.91 IB4010 B MIO036 1 48.649 49.752 48.96 49.65 Hi everyone . 49.65 IB4010 D MIO046 3 49.584 56.08 49.6 56.05 So I don't know if you all received the the a agenda for this meeting . Do you no ? 54.84 56.05 IB4010 C MIO095 2 55.168 56.353 55.22 56.09 No , I haven't . 55.65 56.09 IB4010 D MIO046 3 57.168 57.829 57.19 57.58 Here it is . 57.58 IB4010 C MIO095 2 57.36 57.76 57.38 57.71 Thank you . 57.71 IB4010 B MIO036 1 58.128 59.168 58.16 59.07 I haven't . 59.07 IB4010 D MIO046 3 59.904 87.958 59.92 87.82 So um um the goal for today are um We have two goals . Uh first is to decide a movie for uh the next projection for our movie club . As you know uh so it's for the last Friday of this month of April . As you probably remember , the movie already projected were uh Lawrence of Arabia and Apocalypse Now in February and Amadeus from Milos Forman in March . 66.33 72.11 77.03 78.41 87.82 IB4010 C MIO095 2 71.296 71.68 71.32 71.63 Mm-hmm . 71.63 IB4010 B MIO036 1 71.648 72.144 71.7 72.11 Mm-hmm . 72.11 IB4010 D MIO046 3 87.958 115.12 87.958 115.08 So um the question that is open is are we going to select a movie from the nineties and which movie . So that's the first goal , decide for a movie to be projected , and second goal is to uh discuss for an ad advertising poster um for our um uh club , because we noticed that n last time not enough people came to the projection . 97.41 98.6 100.27 110.79 115.08 IB4010 D MIO046 3 116.073 121.344 116.13 121.344 So that's it . Um wh who wants to start to 117.99 IB4010 D MIO046 3 123.28 127.392 123.3 127.34 So I guess you all prepared some documents for the mm selection of movie . 127.34 IB4010 A FIE038 0 127.632 129.365 127.65 129.31 Yeah . Yep . 128.79 129.31 IB4010 B MIO036 1 128.272 132.736 128.29 132.736 Yes . So who who has what ? Actually maybe um 129.06 130.25 IB4010 D MIO046 3 128.5 128.941 128.59 128.86 Okay . 128.86 IB4010 A FIE038 0 131.709 134.335 131.88 134.21 Um I've got a PowerPoint presentation . 134.21 IB4010 B MIO036 1 134.928 136.48 135.0 136.4 Uh-huh . What do you have , Mirek ? 135.34 135.98 136.4 IB4010 D MIO046 3 134.848 135.623 135.03 135.51 Okay . 135.51 IB4010 C MIO095 2 136.528 142.736 136.55 142.7 Okay , I have a PowerPoint presentation and uh it's about there are some reviews of the of the I think like seven movies . 136.79 142.7 IB4010 B MIO036 1 142.864 151.749 142.89 151.44 Uh-huh . And I have a uh well just a a piece of paper with some suggestions . What about you , Denis ? 143.93 150.37 150.95 151.44 IB4010 D MIO046 3 150.144 155.024 151.29 154.99 Yeah , I have also uh a piece of paper with uh my favourite movie . 151.55 154.99 IB4010 B MIO036 1 155.28 155.68 155.3 155.63 Uh-huh . 155.63 IB4010 D MIO046 3 156.304 157.056 156.304 157.02 Okay , so 156.69 IB4010 B MIO036 1 156.638 159.312 156.638 159.23 should we start with the two presentations maybe ? Yeah ? 159.11 159.23 IB4010 D MIO046 3 158.005 161.824 158.03 161.77 presentation ? Yeah . Okay . A Agnes , we can start with you ? 159.04 159.65 159.88 160.88 161.77 IB4010 A FIE038 0 161.385 161.957 161.49 161.74 Sure . 161.74 IB4010 A FIE038 0 163.497 165.344 163.497 165.3 It's not very long in any case . 165.3 IB4010 D MIO046 3 166.0 167.312 166.02 167.2 Okay , here it is . 166.73 167.2 IB4010 A FIE038 0 167.552 171.328 167.66 171.328 Yep . Yeah . 169.35 171.1 IB4010 D MIO046 3 168.736 169.68 168.76 169.64 I passed this one . 169.64 IB4010 A FIE038 0 172.576 196.224 172.6 196.19 Okay , so what I was thinking is basically the previous movies that we had , which you've already mentioned in the agenda d um Lawrence of Arabia , Apocalypse Now and Amadeus , were fairly historical , serious , dramatic , and also action-ey movies except for maybe Amadeus . Um this month I was thinking of selecting something that's more in the present time , still dramatic but slightly less serious . 172.88 176.79 180.73 182.65 184.04 184.51 185.34 189.11 193.66 196.19 IB4010 A FIE038 0 197.248 232.432 197.27 232.4 And what I'd propose is something of a thriller or mystery . And I know that a lot of people find mystery is not really mysterious in the movies these days , they kind of can predict what's gonna happen , um but in the nineties there were some movies that did have surprise endings and that people came out saying okay , didn't see that coming , so I thought we could maybe show one of those . And even if people have already seen the movie , a lot of the times you go back and watch the movie again , and you pick up on things that you didn't really notice the first time around , or you see where the clues were and mm what led up to the end , so that's more along the lines of what I was thinking . 201.33 206.53 208.81 213.99 215.6 217.98 220.47 223.14 226.48 230.11 232.4 IB4010 B MIO036 1 229.438 230.111 229.65 230.05 Mm-hmm . 230.05 IB4010 A FIE038 0 233.424 236.256 233.44 236.11 And the two in particular that I would propose are , 236.11 IB4010 A FIE038 0 237.376 275.58 237.4 275.05 next slide please , The Usual Suspects and The Sixth Sense . Um I don't know if you've seen any of them . Uh The Usual Suspects was directed by Bryan Singer and written by Christopher McQuarrie . It has a fairly large cast , so I'm not gonna read all of them , but the main characters are Kevin Spacey and Gabriel Byrne . And it's basically about five criminals who get set up . Um they're arrested , they're released from prison and the get together um and plan a crime , and basically the story is told through the views of one of the suspects . 239.02 241.19 244.45 251.14 252.89 254.82 258.52 262.76 264.29 270.94 275.05 IB4010 A FIE038 0 275.58 299.752 275.83 299.752 Um the tag line is kind of neat , five criminals , one lineup , no coincidence and you get told the story um as uh that these f characters are being controlled um by one sort of uber-villain , and in the end you find who the uber-villain was . And I kind of like the the quote from Rolling Stone magazine , The Usual Suspects is the freshest , funniest 277.88 278.55 279.03 291.08 294.15 297.47 298.88 IB4010 D MIO046 3 298.811 304.105 298.85 304.105 Which which one was it again ? The guy who was controlling ? I don't remember , I have seen the movie twice , but uh 300.53 301.79 302.39 303.53 IB4010 A FIE038 0 303.749 305.632 303.87 305.6 Well they ha have you guys seen the movie ? 305.6 IB4010 B MIO036 1 305.6 306.902 305.62 306.67 No , I haven't seen it . 305.81 306.67 IB4010 C MIO095 2 306.206 306.912 306.26 306.84 No , I haven't . 306.43 306.84 IB4010 D MIO046 3 306.916 308.899 306.99 308.899 It's the bald guy , the 308.38 IB4010 A FIE038 0 307.088 324.048 307.13 324.01 So I'm not gonna give away you want me to give away the movie ? That'll spoil it . I'll tell you later . But the the quote from Rolling Stone is fairly accurate , I think . It's one of the freshest , funniest and scariest crime thrillers to come along since Pulp Fiction . 312.05 313.7 316.23 319.9 320.2 321.04 324.01 IB4010 D MIO046 3 310.912 315.616 310.912 315.616 No , no . Okay . 311.52 312.58 315.43 IB4010 A FIE038 0 325.2 342.544 325.22 342.49 And the other movie is The Sixth Sense with the famous line I see dead people , which the little boy says . Um it was written and directed by M_ Night uh Shyamalan and stars Bruce Willis , Haley Joel Osment and Toni Collette and again has a neat twist that you find out right at the end . 329.3 331.25 336.55 342.49 IB4010 D MIO046 3 343.952 347.056 343.97 347.02 Yeah , it's a bit more commercial that one . first one . 344.39 346.58 347.02 IB4010 B MIO036 1 344.464 344.873 344.49 344.77 Um . 344.77 IB4010 A FIE038 0 346.208 346.592 346.24 346.54 Yeah . 346.54 IB4010 B MIO036 1 347.424 347.856 347.45 347.81 Mm-hmm . 347.81 IB4010 A FIE038 0 347.984 350.536 347.984 350.41 yeah , The Sixth Sense was very commercial , but 348.78 350.2 IB4010 B MIO036 1 351.952 357.521 351.97 357.521 So w what what is this s the second image on the slide ? Is it the the poster or 355.33 IB4010 A FIE038 0 351.801 352.524 352.03 352.524 anyways - IB4010 A FIE038 0 356.274 361.312 356.34 361.28 It's the poster for The Sixth Sense , but unfortunately I couldn't find a clear , big enough one . 357.95 360.41 361.28 IB4010 B MIO036 1 361.712 368.309 361.83 368.23 Has a s it has a strange format , um horizontal and uh so it's one two three four five six . 363.89 368.23 IB4010 A FIE038 0 364.656 388.512 364.68 388.48 Yeah . Yeah , I th I think it's only part of a full yeah , it goes th the all of the se all of the senses . Um if you go to the next slide there's slightly more detailed things about the movies . So The Usual Suspects is a hundred and five minutes long , so it's a decent length of time . It has an R_ rating , so I don't remember what type of audience we had at the last 365.87 366.18 369.03 372.48 377.27 380.53 383.37 384.51 IB4010 B MIO036 1 375.261 375.744 375.34 375.63 Mm-hmm . 375.63 IB4010 A FIE038 0 389.182 393.008 389.2 392.94 uh shows , but it may not necessarily be suitable for kids . 390.17 392.94 IB4010 D MIO046 3 389.344 390.059 389.36 390.059 Um - IB4010 D MIO046 3 392.48 393.792 392.5 393.792 R_ is what uh in - IB4010 A FIE038 0 394.016 398.08 394.04 398.03 R_ is sort of if you're eighteen and under , you have to have an adult with you . 396.71 398.03 IB4010 D MIO046 3 398.512 398.896 398.53 398.85 Okay . 398.85 IB4010 C MIO095 2 399.033 399.366 399.11 399.25 Hmm . 399.25 IB4010 B MIO036 1 398.999 401.528 399.16 401.39 So it means restricted . Uh-huh . 401.1 401.39 IB4010 A FIE038 0 399.296 422.272 399.32 422.24 It's mostly for violence , yeah , it's restricted . Um it got an eight point seven out of ten on the Internet Movie Database . It's the sixteenth in the top f two hundred and fifty movies and fourth in the top movies of the nineties . It won um a couple of Academy Awards , notably for best writing , um so that's for the script um and best actor for Kevin Spacey . 400.7 400.93 402.37 407.56 413.04 416.54 417.84 422.24 IB4010 D MIO046 3 400.519 401.429 400.6 401.31 Restricted . 401.31 IB4010 C MIO095 2 401.216 401.504 401.24 401.46 Mm-hmm . 401.46 IB4010 D MIO046 3 422.032 430.128 422.05 430.09 But wait , I I have the top ten from the nineties ? No , the top fifty . And it's fourth . 422.67 428.33 428.49 429.27 430.09 IB4010 A FIE038 0 428.08 428.368 428.11 428.3 Mm-hmm . 428.3 IB4010 A FIE038 0 431.344 436.732 431.36 436.69 Yeah , fourth in the top movies of the nineties . Sixteenth in the top two hundred and fifty I think , of all time . 431.71 433.7 435.86 436.69 IB4010 D MIO046 3 433.248 435.311 433.27 435.28 Oh , sorry , sorry , yep . Yeah , yeah . 433.47 433.86 434.4 434.96 435.07 435.28 IB4010 C MIO095 2 433.821 435.329 434.04 435.16 Mm-hmm mm-hmm mm-hmm . 435.16 IB4010 B MIO036 1 436.464 440.336 436.48 440.29 Yeah , because your table is only the nineties , yeah . Mm-hmm . 436.67 439.13 439.97 440.29 IB4010 D MIO046 3 438.287 440.419 438.49 440.23 From yeah . Yeah , yeah . 439.31 439.84 440.23 IB4010 A FIE038 0 439.072 439.394 439.09 439.35 Yeah . 439.35 IB4010 C MIO095 2 439.105 440.197 439.23 439.91 Nineties , yeah . 439.67 439.91 IB4010 A FIE038 0 440.432 453.156 440.45 452.96 So it won lots of awards um , it won best film from the British um British Film Association , or the British equivalent of the Academy Awards . Um it was nominated for best foreign film for the Cesar . 443.39 447.6 450.02 452.96 IB4010 C MIO095 2 453.312 455.696 453.33 455.696 So plenty of awards we we could say . 455.49 IB4010 A FIE038 0 454.576 456.341 454.6 456.341 Plenty of awards , yeah . 455.26 455.6 IB4010 D MIO046 3 454.454 461.445 454.67 461.36 But but sixteenth in top two hundred fifty , it's what two uh all all days ? All time ? 457.8 460.61 461.36 IB4010 B MIO036 1 455.737 456.831 455.89 456.831 Well - IB4010 A FIE038 0 459.451 461.042 459.55 460.66 I think of all time , yeah . 460.48 460.66 IB4010 C MIO095 2 460.179 461.776 460.34 461.74 Of all the movies , yeah yeah . 461.18 461.74 IB4010 A FIE038 0 461.776 462.048 461.8 462.01 Yeah . 462.01 IB4010 A FIE038 0 463.568 464.08 463.59 463.94 So - IB4010 C MIO095 2 464.048 466.128 464.07 466.128 It's still good , actually . 464.61 466.03 IB4010 D MIO046 3 464.56 465.024 464.58 464.97 Okay . 464.97 IB4010 A FIE038 0 465.088 465.376 465.11 465.34 yeah . 465.34 IB4010 D MIO046 3 466.24 470.224 466.41 470.19 But those rating are more like uh it's the number of votes , no ? 469.96 470.19 IB4010 B MIO036 1 466.422 467.558 466.52 467.5 W w - IB4010 A FIE038 0 470.496 473.501 470.52 473.501 Yeah , it's ratings by viewers and 470.8 IB4010 D MIO046 3 472.314 473.481 472.56 473.22 Votes and u - IB4010 B MIO036 1 472.26 491.407 472.64 491.32 No , no , actually if you look at your tables , I think it's a sort of uh well average between number of votes and and and uh yeah the the rating or th the marks , because there are in you table you have uh things that have very few votes but still are ranked quite high , for instance number twenty four , which has only four thousand votes 473.18 473.31 474.74 481.94 487.65 489.45 IB4010 C MIO095 2 472.335 473.751 472.79 473.54 By the users . 473.54 IB4010 D MIO046 3 474.848 475.478 474.93 475.12 Yep . 475.12 IB4010 D MIO046 3 478.422 479.239 478.56 479.12 And rating . 479.12 IB4010 D MIO046 3 487.392 487.632 487.41 487.6 Yep . 487.6 IB4010 A FIE038 0 487.648 489.311 487.67 489.311 Yeah , like Memories 487.94 IB4010 D MIO046 3 488.238 488.82 488.33 488.7 Yeah yeah . 488.7 IB4010 A FIE038 0 491.008 496.251 491.03 496.2 Yeah , and Forty Four as well , which has seven hundred and forty something votes . 491.37 493.24 496.2 IB4010 B MIO036 1 492.448 493.838 492.47 493.76 But um yeah . 493.76 IB4010 C MIO095 2 495.243 504.032 495.4 504.0 So it's definitely just the average of the rating and okay th the number of the votes is there just for the information , so that you know how how reliable yeah . 501.34 504.0 IB4010 D MIO046 3 495.336 496.096 495.57 496.02 Yep . 496.02 IB4010 B MIO036 1 500.784 512.499 500.8 512.27 Yeah . Maybe it's just the search is compensated a bit for the number of people , I I don't know actually . Because if you have just ten votes and yeah probably are not in the database . 502.16 506.49 508.24 512.27 IB4010 C MIO095 2 505.454 506.138 505.61 506.08 Yes . 506.08 IB4010 C MIO095 2 507.184 507.707 507.2 507.707 Mm - IB4010 C MIO095 2 508.428 508.975 508.5 508.76 Okay . 508.76 IB4010 C MIO095 2 509.872 512.464 509.89 512.42 Okay , then you yeah . Then yes , yes , yes , yes , sure . 510.13 510.86 511.48 511.71 511.96 512.16 512.42 IB4010 A FIE038 0 513.376 514.873 513.4 514.873 Yeah so - IB4010 B MIO036 1 513.792 518.505 513.81 518.505 But yeah , anyway it has excellent votes . Haven't seen it , but 514.09 516.59 517.24 IB4010 D MIO046 3 514.101 515.579 514.26 515.38 Okay , yep . 515.12 515.38 IB4010 A FIE038 0 515.936 517.338 515.96 517.338 Yeah um - IB4010 A FIE038 0 517.968 531.959 518.0 531.75 Yeah . No it's a good movie , I I highly recommend it , and I wouldn't mind seeing it again , because I do know the ending and I haven't been able to watch it again to see where the hints were that were scattered across the movie , 'cause apparently there are hints as to who it is . 518.53 519.12 521.16 522.48 528.92 531.75 IB4010 B MIO036 1 519.851 521.926 519.851 521.74 Mm-hmm . 521.74 IB4010 C MIO095 2 526.656 527.057 526.69 526.87 Mm-hmm . 526.87 IB4010 D MIO046 3 530.928 532.384 531.26 532.34 Ah , now I remember . 531.47 532.34 IB4010 B MIO036 1 531.75 532.372 531.91 532.15 Oh . 532.15 IB4010 A FIE038 0 532.832 535.888 532.832 535.84 Yeah . Okay . 535.55 535.84 IB4010 C MIO095 2 533.678 534.8 533.678 534.8 Yeah . 534.69 IB4010 D MIO046 3 534.768 535.056 534.84 535.02 Yep . 535.02 IB4010 D MIO046 3 537.011 544.176 537.05 544.12 Actually there is one guy who is the at the police station and they ask him to tell the story . Yeah . Yeah . 543.15 543.97 544.12 IB4010 A FIE038 0 540.14 540.594 540.2 540.42 Yeah . 540.42 IB4010 A FIE038 0 541.272 543.471 541.42 543.22 and he's the one telling the story , yeah . 543.0 543.22 IB4010 C MIO095 2 542.918 543.84 543.18 543.8 Mm-hmm mm-hmm . 543.8 IB4010 A FIE038 0 545.328 547.664 545.35 547.63 There's him and the the guy in the burn unit . 547.63 IB4010 B MIO036 1 547.77 550.089 547.79 550.089 Yep . 549.53 IB4010 C MIO095 2 547.984 548.928 548.03 548.89 And what is the second movie ? 548.89 IB4010 A FIE038 0 548.896 584.688 549.23 584.65 The second movie is The Sixth Sense . Again , it's fairly short . It has an easier rating , it's P_G_ thirteen , um it's much less violent . It got an eight point one out of ten , it's a hundred and first in the top two hundred and fifty and it's nineteenth on your list I think , if I'm not mistaken . Yeah , it's nineteenth . Um got a fair number of votes , too , ninety six thousand . Um again , it was nominated for a lot of different Academy Awards , um it didn't win any , but it got a lot of buzz and a lot of people liked it , so . 551.04 551.35 552.1 553.4 554.98 557.51 559.26 565.96 567.31 567.54 569.15 570.66 571.38 573.69 574.64 577.88 579.73 584.29 584.65 IB4010 C MIO095 2 549.496 550.352 549.66 550.31 Yeah , Sixth Sen 549.82 IB4010 B MIO036 1 585.536 585.856 585.56 585.82 Mm-hmm . 585.82 IB4010 A FIE038 0 586.24 597.737 586.26 597.62 Those are my two selections , and as you can see , the plot is a boy who communicates with spirits that don't know when they're dead , seeks the help of a disheartened child psychologist to figure out why he's seeing what he's seeing and 588.37 589.12 592.74 IB4010 A FIE038 0 598.896 599.808 598.98 599.77 what it means . 599.77 IB4010 D MIO046 3 600.576 607.584 600.576 607.584 Both movies are quite similar in some way , because the last sentence is uh totally contradictory to the whole movie . It's uh 602.6 607.02 IB4010 A FIE038 0 607.104 608.496 607.16 608.46 Yeah . Yeah . 608.23 608.46 IB4010 C MIO095 2 608.752 609.008 608.77 608.97 Mm-hmm . 608.97 IB4010 B MIO036 1 609.26 611.802 609.37 611.57 The last sentence from the movie or oh . 611.57 IB4010 D MIO046 3 610.736 612.624 610.76 612.58 Yeah , the last sentence from the movie . 611.35 612.58 IB4010 A FIE038 0 612.64 620.224 612.66 620.19 Yeah . It's only right right at the end where you find out really what's going on and it makes you rethink everything that happened beforehand . 612.95 620.19 IB4010 B MIO036 1 612.922 613.543 613.05 613.39 W - IB4010 D MIO046 3 616.327 616.624 616.37 616.54 Yeah . 616.54 IB4010 C MIO095 2 618.396 618.904 618.51 618.85 Mm-hmm . 618.85 IB4010 B MIO036 1 620.256 620.816 620.29 620.66 Mm-hmm . 620.66 IB4010 A FIE038 0 622.96 631.712 622.98 631.712 So those would be my two suggestions and y they ar they are slightly more commercial , or at leas The Sixth Sense is , than the other ones we've seen , but 628.35 630.2 631.49 IB4010 B MIO036 1 629.281 629.792 629.43 629.76 Mm-hmm . 629.76 IB4010 B MIO036 1 632.208 639.968 632.23 639.92 So these guys were actually nominated , so the the bottom part of your slide , actually , it says yeah , so these are the best awards they had . 634.58 636.16 637.12 637.88 639.92 IB4010 A FIE038 0 634.769 635.479 634.88 635.31 Yeah . 635.31 IB4010 A FIE038 0 640.096 644.544 640.12 644.51 Yeah , they were they were nominated for a lot of different awards , they didn't win . 640.4 643.55 644.51 IB4010 B MIO036 1 641.771 642.481 641.95 642.14 Okay . 642.14 IB4010 B MIO036 1 644.512 650.851 644.512 650.62 Too bad . Well there is just one winner , so . Uh-huh . 647.5 648.86 650.27 650.62 IB4010 C MIO095 2 644.88 646.312 644.9 646.312 Mm-hmm . 646.11 IB4010 A FIE038 0 645.68 648.876 645.7 648.876 But I guess the comp I can't remember what the competition was that year , but 648.49 IB4010 A FIE038 0 650.356 653.072 650.49 653.072 And they were nominated for a lot of them , and um 652.15 IB4010 A FIE038 0 654.832 655.024 654.85 654.97 Yeah . 654.97 IB4010 D MIO046 3 656.0 658.816 656.08 658.77 Okay . You have a last slide or no . 657.12 658.77 IB4010 A FIE038 0 656.432 659.347 656.45 659.27 So I think that's it , unless you have any questions . Yeah , that's it . 657.36 658.53 658.8 659.27 IB4010 B MIO036 1 656.729 657.393 656.77 657.08 Okay . 657.08 IB4010 C MIO095 2 661.786 673.387 661.9 673.28 Okay , now you can go to to my slides , but actually what I pre what I have prepared is just a kind of a review of fo uh se six or seven movies , if you ca can go to the second slide . 662.15 663.62 671.68 673.28 IB4010 D MIO046 3 663.504 664.095 663.58 664.0 Okay . 664.0 IB4010 A FIE038 0 672.864 675.162 672.88 674.77 You sent your slides around , right ? Yeah . 673.96 674.64 674.77 IB4010 C MIO095 2 674.032 720.624 674.05 720.59 Yes , basically seven movies , and it's uh it's uh uh top movies uh based on the uh on the ra ranking and a and awards awards . Um you see the the names of the movies on the on the on the wall . So um we can perhaps go through all of them and we can little bit discuss , so I I I have n I didn't see all of them actually , so it's just we should probably select one of these , because I think uh these are really good movies and uh , okay , we will see . So if you can go through uh okay , so this is the first movie and uh it's it's m it's more like a drama . Uh it's uh it's uh very uh high ranked and actually you have a a nicer list , because uh we can even see the number of the votes . So what is the number of the people ? 674.34 675.4 681.64 687.77 692.51 696.06 699.47 703.3 703.77 704.82 708.26 711.68 716.53 719.2 720.59 IB4010 D MIO046 3 704.752 705.206 704.78 705.1 Okay . 705.1 IB4010 D MIO046 3 718.924 723.616 718.924 723.56 Yeah one hundred f w uh one hundred forty thousand . 723.56 IB4010 B MIO036 1 721.225 723.657 721.3 723.48 Yeah , I think your table is very clear Denis . 721.49 723.48 IB4010 C MIO095 2 724.912 730.624 724.93 730.624 Finally I found actually your table much better than my than my presentation , because perhaps here we can we can really see I mean 728.27 IB4010 D MIO046 3 730.816 734.024 730.88 734.024 No , we don't have the plot of the of the movie and uh 731.1 IB4010 C MIO095 2 731.808 733.92 731.83 733.89 What is the ranking ? We ha didn't have the plot , yeah . 732.6 733.59 733.89 IB4010 D MIO046 3 736.432 741.067 736.45 741.067 Okay , but maybe we can wh who has seen this movie ? 736.72 740.86 IB4010 C MIO095 2 740.336 744.967 740.37 744.78 Yeah , who has seen this movie ? Because then perhaps someone can give some some comment . 740.55 741.33 744.78 IB4010 A FIE038 0 741.169 748.239 741.34 748.04 No I haven't . I've heard a lot of good things about it , I've heard it's a really powerful movie , but I haven't seen it . 742.58 744.13 746.54 748.04 IB4010 B MIO036 1 742.066 743.076 742.22 742.86 No , I haven't . 742.45 742.86 IB4010 D MIO046 3 742.78 743.704 742.95 743.704 I uh - IB4010 B MIO036 1 744.021 744.659 744.09 744.55 Yeah . 744.55 IB4010 D MIO046 3 745.546 748.645 745.7 748.645 I think I I I've seen it actually , but 748.08 IB4010 B MIO036 1 747.062 750.672 747.062 750.672 W what is the name in French , 'cause 750.31 IB4010 D MIO046 3 750.784 751.664 750.8 751.63 I have no idea . 751.63 IB4010 B MIO036 1 752.032 753.728 752.05 753.69 Uh-huh . Uh yeah . 753.03 753.69 IB4010 D MIO046 3 753.696 757.792 753.72 757.76 It it's in uh jail right , it taking yeah . 755.84 757.76 IB4010 A FIE038 0 755.968 757.264 755.99 757.23 Yeah , it's set in a jail . 756.41 757.23 IB4010 D MIO046 3 759.104 761.867 759.104 761.51 I don't remember well this movie . 761.51 IB4010 B MIO036 1 759.6 765.104 759.67 765.04 Yeah . Well , actually your third slide has the plot , so uh . 760.57 761.01 764.37 765.04 IB4010 C MIO095 2 762.032 762.447 762.06 762.31 Mm-hmm . 762.31 IB4010 C MIO095 2 765.104 770.064 765.12 770.03 Yeah , it's this one . It's the one that is on the on the wall . It's projected , yeah . 765.56 766.44 768.35 769.77 770.03 IB4010 B MIO036 1 766.208 766.574 766.24 766.47 Yeah . 766.47 IB4010 A FIE038 0 767.054 767.474 767.11 767.44 Yeah . 767.44 IB4010 D MIO046 3 767.003 767.665 767.15 767.43 Yep . 767.43 IB4010 B MIO036 1 768.736 774.416 768.76 774.38 Oh yeah , exactly , yeah . So yeah , this guy is jailed , okay , uh-huh . Wow . 769.1 769.64 770.08 771.19 772.41 773.08 774.13 774.38 IB4010 D MIO046 3 769.168 770.67 769.19 770.61 Okay . Okay . 770.1 770.61 IB4010 D MIO046 3 774.384 775.342 774.47 775.342 Okay , so mm 774.73 IB4010 C MIO095 2 775.392 783.04 775.41 782.95 So I ge okay , so no one of us saw this movie , so in that case perhaps it's it's little bit danger to select that movie for the for the 776.5 778.15 IB4010 B MIO036 1 775.664 776.32 775.68 776.23 Okay . 776.23 IB4010 B MIO036 1 778.156 778.686 778.21 778.63 Yeah . 778.63 IB4010 D MIO046 3 777.999 779.299 778.23 779.299 Yep , so let's 778.47 IB4010 C MIO095 2 784.064 787.2 784.08 787.17 s play , so uh Schindler's List , who saw this ? 784.73 786.44 787.17 IB4010 A FIE038 0 787.296 787.616 787.32 787.57 Me . 787.57 IB4010 D MIO046 3 788.144 789.302 788.16 789.18 Yeah , I've seen it also . 788.31 789.18 IB4010 C MIO095 2 788.85 796.512 789.17 796.19 I saw it , and I think this on is re um this one is really nice , it's uh , you know , all a all of you knows the the story , so . 789.68 792.37 793.13 793.62 795.75 796.19 IB4010 B MIO036 1 789.44 792.018 789.47 792.018 Yeah , I haven't seen I heard about it , but 789.64 791.37 IB4010 B MIO036 1 794.767 796.228 795.01 796.18 Mm-hmm . Yep . 795.79 796.18 IB4010 A FIE038 0 795.966 796.538 796.06 796.34 Mm-hmm . 796.34 IB4010 B MIO036 1 797.488 797.939 797.51 797.79 Yeah . 797.79 IB4010 C MIO095 2 797.68 811.36 797.7 811.33 Uh it's quite hi it's quite high ranked , so I think uh it's not a bad movie , I'm uh thinking whether there was some good occasion , uh something what has happened recently . There was something like a celebration of the 801.14 804.1 806.55 809.47 IB4010 C MIO095 2 812.352 815.36 812.37 815.33 fifty years after the war or something recently , no ? 815.0 815.33 IB4010 B MIO036 1 815.728 844.051 815.76 843.86 Um I think there was a celebration of uh sixty years from the liberation of the camps , actually . Because they were liberated beginning forty five and uh yeah , it's not bad , and it's also I think it's a good idea at at least from my point of view it's coherent with the previous films , like history , im major events . I don't know if we want to keep this coherence , or change radically , but maybe yeah , that's yeah , I think it's a drawback uh . 821.64 822.35 826.42 827.01 832.16 833.77 835.74 837.67 839.12 840.96 842.01 843.86 IB4010 C MIO095 2 816.464 817.215 816.48 817.215 No , that's 816.75 IB4010 D MIO046 3 816.456 819.238 816.67 819.11 Sixty . S sixty years . 817.58 819.11 IB4010 C MIO095 2 819.312 822.4 819.34 822.26 Sixty , yeah . S it can't be fifty , sure . 819.77 820.49 821.69 822.26 IB4010 A FIE038 0 821.53 822.237 821.6 821.95 Mm-hmm . 821.95 IB4010 C MIO095 2 824.32 826.0 824.34 825.95 Yeah , so . 825.2 825.95 IB4010 C MIO095 2 829.462 830.028 829.6 829.87 Mm-hmm . 829.87 IB4010 D MIO046 3 833.232 835.648 833.25 835.61 Yep . Yep . That's right , yeah . 833.84 834.87 835.4 835.61 IB4010 C MIO095 2 834.128 834.679 834.15 834.42 That's true . 834.42 IB4010 A FIE038 0 834.574 835.285 834.75 834.98 Mm-hmm . 834.98 IB4010 A FIE038 0 839.072 843.165 839.11 843.165 It's a fairly emotional movie though . That's one thing to keep in mind is that it's 840.93 IB4010 D MIO046 3 842.896 854.544 842.93 854.51 But then it's not representative of the nineties . It's more a movie about the story of uh the horror of the uh endured by the Jewish during the Second World War . 846.57 854.51 IB4010 A FIE038 0 854.576 865.84 854.61 865.51 Yeah , but Amadeus isn't really representative of the eighties either . Yeah , and according to your thing it's nineteen eighty four , so . 854.81 859.84 860.1 862.89 865.51 IB4010 B MIO036 1 856.472 862.32 856.472 861.81 Well , of the seventeen eighties . 858.38 861.81 IB4010 D MIO046 3 856.538 860.784 856.538 860.53 Yeah , right . 860.17 860.53 IB4010 C MIO095 2 862.091 864.223 862.25 864.03 Yes . Yes yes yes . 862.82 864.03 IB4010 B MIO036 1 864.31 874.901 864.5 874.901 Yeah . Maybe it's representative of a style of the eighties , I don't know . As for Amadeus , but uh that's I don't know . But 866.3 868.73 869.6 870.53 873.56 IB4010 D MIO046 3 870.32 871.167 870.35 871.02 Yeah , yeah . 870.84 871.02 IB4010 C MIO095 2 873.248 879.764 873.28 879.764 Um but even here I wouldn't uh uh say that the that th this style is representative of the nineties , right , so . 878.73 878.97 879.7 IB4010 A FIE038 0 879.36 879.776 879.39 879.74 No . 879.74 IB4010 B MIO036 1 879.728 880.882 879.75 880.62 Yeah , hard to tell . 880.03 880.62 IB4010 C MIO095 2 880.576 881.296 880.6 881.14 Um - IB4010 C MIO095 2 882.384 888.384 882.4 888.35 okay , but uh anyway , I think it's it's really a good movie , I like it when I saw it and uh okay . 882.65 884.0 885.34 888.35 IB4010 B MIO036 1 884.375 884.88 884.44 884.68 Mm-hmm . 884.68 IB4010 A FIE038 0 885.251 886.942 885.37 886.66 It is a good movie , yeah . 886.38 886.66 IB4010 D MIO046 3 888.432 891.804 888.51 891.804 Okay , and Steven Steven Spielberg is uh 889.09 IB4010 C MIO095 2 889.632 899.293 889.65 899.26 It's one of the candidates , I defini yeah , Steven Spielberg is really quite a good so I director , so I I would say we we could think about it . So I would keep it as a candidate , at least . 890.7 891.34 894.39 897.14 898.8 899.26 IB4010 A FIE038 0 892.149 892.794 892.26 892.65 Yeah . 892.65 IB4010 D MIO046 3 896.944 897.392 897.08 897.36 Okay . 897.36 IB4010 A FIE038 0 897.211 897.733 897.31 897.64 Mm-hmm . 897.64 IB4010 A FIE038 0 898.944 899.28 898.97 899.25 Yeah . 899.25 IB4010 C MIO095 2 900.224 901.523 900.45 901.47 That's the second one . 901.47 IB4010 D MIO046 3 901.12 904.749 901.14 904.63 Okay , The Usual Suspect , do we want to say something again about it , or 901.64 902.52 904.46 IB4010 C MIO095 2 903.552 907.314 903.57 907.05 Um no . I think we can just skip this slide . 905.03 907.05 IB4010 D MIO046 3 906.608 908.048 906.63 908.01 How come it's coming third - IB4010 D MIO046 3 909.6 910.32 909.62 910.27 on your list ? 910.27 IB4010 A FIE038 0 911.248 911.6 911.27 911.57 Yeah . 911.57 IB4010 C MIO095 2 911.296 912.016 911.32 911.9 Uh yeah . 911.9 IB4010 C MIO095 2 913.296 913.568 913.32 913.53 It's - IB4010 D MIO046 3 913.568 921.112 913.59 920.95 It's forth on Agnes's uh and on my list , but it's okay . Ah you j you selected some movies , no ? You didn't take the six first . 916.69 917.27 918.84 919.05 920.95 IB4010 C MIO095 2 919.95 921.68 919.95 921.64 That's strange , what is the rating ? 920.77 921.64 IB4010 B MIO036 1 921.872 944.197 921.89 943.97 Yeah , it's funny actually um because on your on your slides actually the ratings are eight point seven for both . No they have the same , Usual Suspects and Pulp Fiction , both are at eight point seven , but on Denis's table uh this one is at eight point six . Who knows , maybe people voted for it , yeah . Could have changed in the meanwhile . 922.1 930.66 931.56 933.4 935.34 939.5 939.92 941.28 942.51 943.97 IB4010 C MIO095 2 924.0 925.406 924.02 925.16 Perhaps it has changed . 925.16 IB4010 C MIO095 2 929.008 929.626 929.03 929.54 It's higher . 929.54 IB4010 A FIE038 0 936.977 939.03 937.21 938.86 But it gets updated daily . 938.86 IB4010 C MIO095 2 938.496 939.909 938.52 939.78 It gets updated . 939.78 IB4010 C MIO095 2 941.664 944.496 941.68 944.46 Yes , yes , and I did it I did it on Wednesday . 942.22 942.5 944.46 IB4010 A FIE038 0 941.92 942.434 942.01 942.3 Yeah . 942.3 IB4010 D MIO046 3 945.184 947.198 945.26 947.02 And me on Tuesday , probably . 946.27 947.02 IB4010 B MIO036 1 945.76 954.208 945.83 954.06 Though with one hundred and thousand votes , it shouldn't change too much . I mean , given the number of votes , I wonder but anyway , it's m it may change I think , yeah . 947.75 949.51 950.3 951.48 952.44 953.85 954.06 IB4010 C MIO095 2 946.868 947.498 947.05 947.43 Yes . 947.43 IB4010 C MIO095 2 953.072 955.872 953.1 955.84 Mm-hmm . So it probably has changed , so um 954.07 955.06 IB4010 B MIO036 1 956.64 962.272 956.64 962.24 Okay . Wow . That's encouraging . 960.17 961.39 962.24 IB4010 C MIO095 2 957.328 961.552 957.35 961.552 it becomes more popular , no po uh yeah , yeah , yeah . 958.44 960.05 960.23 961.35 IB4010 D MIO046 3 959.33 964.384 959.33 964.384 Okay . Do we have something to add on this movie , or 962.29 964.05 IB4010 A FIE038 0 964.816 965.776 964.85 965.74 Mm . No . 965.52 965.74 IB4010 B MIO036 1 965.856 966.144 965.89 966.11 No . 966.11 IB4010 D MIO046 3 966.288 966.64 966.32 966.61 Okay . 966.61 IB4010 A FIE038 0 967.232 973.632 967.25 973.632 Wait , how many of us saw Schindler's List ? Three of us ? Did you see it ? I'm just trying to keep track of how many of us have seen 967.42 969.7 970.41 971.38 IB4010 C MIO095 2 972.817 976.241 972.84 976.16 Uh Schindler's List . I saw it , I saw it . 975.19 975.65 976.16 IB4010 D MIO046 3 974.448 974.672 974.47 974.64 Yep . 974.64 IB4010 A FIE038 0 975.056 977.419 975.08 977.34 You have ? You have . You haven't . 975.79 976.6 977.34 IB4010 D MIO046 3 976.336 976.544 976.36 976.51 Yep . 976.51 IB4010 B MIO036 1 976.88 977.376 976.9 977.33 Haven't . 977.33 IB4010 B MIO036 1 978.518 984.233 978.61 983.94 Uh I I've seen very few movies from the list , about ten out of the first fifty . 981.84 983.94 IB4010 C MIO095 2 978.608 978.912 978.64 978.88 Mm-hmm . 978.88 IB4010 D MIO046 3 983.283 987.504 983.67 987.504 That's why you are in the movie club , to see more movies . 985.76 987.41 IB4010 B MIO036 1 985.904 987.024 985.92 986.94 Okay , yeah . 986.75 986.94 IB4010 C MIO095 2 988.352 1014.766 988.37 1014.766 Okay , Pulp Fiction . Uh I think it's again quite uh hi high ranked uh , but from my perspective , everyone already saw it . Who was interested in that movie , he saw it . Wh who is not interested in that movie , he he didn't see it and he uh wouldn't uh like to see it in the in our movie club . So I think we should uh we should just leave skip it out and leave it out . I I wouldn't think about this as a candidate , even if it's a good movie , but I don't know , I think it's 988.58 989.26 992.58 994.41 996.11 997.63 998.38 1000.07 1005.53 1009.36 1012.27 1013.23 1014.0 IB4010 B MIO036 1 996.747 997.216 996.82 997.16 Mm-hmm . 997.16 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1012.094 1018.976 1012.18 1018.94 Why not ? It's quite representative of the nineties , I think . And the structure of the movie is interesting . 1013.82 1016.21 1017.0 1018.94 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1013.486 1014.339 1013.74 1014.1 Mm-hmm . 1014.1 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1020.352 1027.232 1020.37 1027.19 I I think the the first scene is actually the same scene as the last scene , no ? There is a kind of loop in this movie . 1024.43 1025.51 1027.19 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1021.018 1021.792 1021.09 1021.65 Mm-hmm . 1021.65 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1026.019 1027.046 1026.1 1026.98 I can't remember . 1026.98 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1028.0 1032.779 1028.02 1032.56 Yes , yes , there was ple I I think there was a plenty of loops actually , plenty of . 1028.34 1028.56 1031.24 1032.56 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1030.848 1031.072 1030.87 1031.04 Yep . 1031.04 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1031.152 1040.992 1031.17 1040.992 I think also it's old enough that even if people saw it the first time around , they don't necessarily remember everything that happened , 'cause I remember seeing it when it came out , but I don't particularly remember 1034.26 1036.49 1039.15 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1036.768 1037.378 1036.8 1037.19 Mm-hmm . 1037.19 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1041.76 1055.938 1041.78 1055.938 I fully agree that you can see this movie three times perhaps , three times and for the fourth time see you still discover something new , but uh on the other hand , I have the impression it's really it's uh , you know , every everyone saw it , it's it's quite well known , uh it woul it wou I 1044.44 1048.0 1049.6 1051.57 1052.25 1053.43 1054.7 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1043.339 1045.272 1043.36 1045.22 Yeah yeah . I agree also . Yeah . 1043.83 1045.0 1045.22 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1054.8 1057.04 1054.87 1057.0 You've you've seen it ? Okay . 1056.58 1057.0 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1055.84 1060.351 1055.86 1060.351 Yeah , I've seen it , this one . I I like it very much . I've actually seen it 1056.09 1056.59 1057.43 1059.13 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1056.96 1057.28 1056.98 1057.17 Yeah . 1057.17 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1058.373 1059.673 1058.45 1059.52 So we've all seen it . 1059.52 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1058.896 1063.726 1058.92 1063.45 And the soundtrack is uh is gorgeous also . No , you don't the soundtrack . 1061.67 1062.04 1063.45 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1062.128 1062.528 1062.15 1062.48 Is what ? 1062.48 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1063.872 1065.488 1063.89 1065.45 I haven't I don't remember the soundtrack . 1065.45 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1064.992 1065.283 1065.02 1065.25 No . 1065.25 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1065.936 1072.112 1065.96 1072.112 Well , it's plenty of well known songs and , you know , the twist thing and 1066.18 1068.86 1069.08 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1065.885 1067.232 1066.01 1067.232 Me neither . 1067.11 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1070.256 1076.57 1070.28 1076.57 Mm . So what do you think ? I I wouldn't think about this as a candidate , because it seems to me it's 1071.56 1073.24 1074.96 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1070.286 1070.992 1070.49 1070.95 Yeah , yeah . 1070.75 1070.95 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1075.984 1083.008 1076.01 1082.93 Oh I would keep it as a candidate , but I don't know , I think for the moment m m guess most of these are candidates , so we'll try to . 1077.53 1078.68 1082.22 1082.93 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1082.976 1083.328 1083.0 1083.29 Mm-hmm . 1083.29 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1083.264 1085.818 1083.32 1085.818 W w we vote at the end , or you want to 1084.58 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1085.091 1088.038 1085.11 1088.038 Yeah , we should probably vote after everyone 1085.51 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1086.4 1091.152 1086.42 1091.12 Yeah , I mean if there's something that none of us like , we can just eliminate it , but we might as well leave everything 'till the end . 1086.57 1088.21 1089.25 1091.12 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1086.423 1088.215 1086.6 1088.18 Vote , that's the best , yeah , yeah . 1086.93 1087.53 1087.97 1088.18 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1088.812 1090.144 1089.02 1090.11 Yeah . Mm-hmm . 1089.86 1090.11 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1090.498 1091.081 1090.62 1091.02 Okay . 1091.02 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1090.946 1091.651 1091.08 1091.33 Yeah . 1091.33 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1091.12 1097.552 1091.14 1097.47 When going through we c we could just eliminate . Okay , so we are not gonna eliminate this one . Uh Goodfellas , I didn't see it . 1092.7 1092.9 1095.53 1096.77 1097.47 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1098.24 1098.651 1098.26 1098.45 No . 1098.45 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1098.784 1101.166 1098.8 1101.166 No . 1100.03 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1099.232 1099.472 1099.27 1099.44 No . 1099.44 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1099.536 1113.171 1099.56 1113.05 No . But you can read the comment from the users , uh that's the that's the last uh bullet point , and it says uh simply a masterpiece uh , and it's uh Scorsese's last really great movie to date . 1101.87 1104.08 1106.88 1109.49 1113.05 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1105.629 1107.825 1105.69 1107.825 Ah it's Scorsese's - IB4010 A FIE038 0 1107.512 1108.366 1107.71 1108.31 Yeah . 1108.31 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1111.92 1115.2 1111.94 1115.17 It's uh yeah , again a movie about uh on mafia , no ? 1112.96 1114.95 1115.17 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1115.194 1116.618 1115.25 1116.49 Mafia , yes . 1115.72 1116.49 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1115.215 1116.576 1115.26 1116.54 Yeah , it's a gangster movie . 1115.49 1116.54 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1116.832 1120.691 1116.85 1120.691 With uh Robert de Niro , and who are the o two other guys ? I cannot 1118.48 1120.05 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1119.984 1123.217 1120.0 1123.16 Ray Liotta and - IB4010 C MIO095 2 1121.716 1126.83 1121.95 1126.74 I can't recognise them from the picture . The picture is not very good quality . 1125.06 1126.74 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1125.712 1132.16 1125.73 1132.13 Joe Pesci I think , maybe ? I think yeah , on the right , and the guy on the left is Ray Liotta . 1126.95 1128.31 1129.52 1130.35 1132.13 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1126.816 1130.336 1126.88 1130.3 Ah Joe Pesci , yeah . On the r on the right , you mean ? Yeah . 1127.71 1128.27 1129.2 1130.11 1130.3 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1132.912 1138.272 1132.93 1138.272 I you you recognise them , or you can read the the text on the images . Oh okay . 1134.29 1137.59 1138.02 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1135.839 1137.354 1136.13 1137.22 I recognise them . 1137.22 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1138.224 1142.608 1138.24 1142.44 I'm a movie buff , I know way too much about movies and actors and everything . 1139.37 1142.44 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1139.33 1141.044 1139.59 1140.95 Huh . Very well . 1140.17 1140.95 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1141.216 1149.616 1141.24 1149.53 It's the exact same actors who played in um another mafia movie that I cannot rememb Les Affranchis , it was the name in French . No ? 1147.34 1149.3 1149.53 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1149.728 1150.544 1149.75 1150.51 What was it about ? 1150.51 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1151.392 1165.12 1151.55 1165.07 About uh mafia uh it that's why I tha that's why I didn't go to see this one , it's quite i it seems to me they're all about the same subject and the same I don't know . 1158.82 1165.07 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1153.488 1157.195 1153.488 1157.195 Very descriptive . 1156.78 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1164.208 1164.908 1164.23 1164.69 Mm-hmm . 1164.69 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1165.376 1169.408 1165.4 1169.37 And it's a movie from nineties ? The one that you saw , that you mentioned ? 1167.78 1168.78 1169.37 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1166.021 1166.619 1166.12 1166.54 Yeah . 1166.54 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1170.512 1171.664 1170.53 1171.63 Probably . Yeah . 1171.45 1171.63 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1171.184 1171.456 1171.2 1171.42 Yeah . 1171.42 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1175.232 1177.037 1175.25 1176.99 Okay , n nobody's seen it , so . 1175.59 1176.77 1176.99 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1174.64 1179.584 1175.85 1179.584 Mm . Okay . No , yeah , so probably not uh 1176.38 1176.87 1177.49 1177.82 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1176.988 1177.76 1177.2 1177.7 No . 1177.7 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1177.056 1177.95 1177.44 1177.89 No . 1177.89 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1179.648 1180.299 1179.648 1180.18 Okay . 1180.18 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1179.607 1181.296 1179.72 1181.24 Silence of the Lambs uh - IB4010 C MIO095 2 1182.48 1198.128 1182.5 1198.128 should I tell something more ? Godfather of all thrillers , that's what it what it says on the what some uh user says . Uh so , okay , it's a little bit horror , so I think it's quite it's uh it's uh 1183.51 1185.3 1190.41 1192.31 1192.52 1193.35 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1195.113 1200.939 1195.113 1200.939 A little bit ? Okay . 1199.51 1200.58 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1199.2 1205.744 1199.22 1205.69 It's definitely not for kids , uh but uh if the kids are not visitors of our cinema , why not ? 1200.65 1205.22 1205.69 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1206.944 1207.2 1206.96 1207.17 Yeah . 1207.17 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1207.502 1207.824 1207.56 1207.824 It - IB4010 C MIO095 2 1209.104 1214.8 1209.12 1214.62 One have to rethink when when when you are watching this movie , you have to think and it's uh scaring . Uh why not ? 1211.62 1213.89 1214.62 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1215.536 1217.36 1215.56 1217.3 So it's about a psychopathic killer . 1217.3 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1218.139 1219.936 1218.26 1219.936 Mm-hmm . 1219.69 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1218.183 1219.072 1218.32 1219.02 Mm-hmm mm-hmm . 1219.02 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1218.286 1219.011 1218.44 1218.88 And - IB4010 D MIO046 3 1220.096 1223.36 1220.12 1223.36 what was it again , the plot ? I mea the 1220.81 1221.62 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1223.36 1233.168 1223.39 1233.13 So the F_B_I_ agent is assigned to to help uh find a a missing woman and uh save her f uh her from a psychopathic killer with the help of another killer . 1233.13 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1234.032 1237.056 1234.05 1237.056 So the other killer is Hannibal Lecter , who 1236.69 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1234.607 1235.229 1234.68 1235.229 So - IB4010 B MIO036 1 1237.338 1238.819 1237.37 1238.67 Who is in prison , actually . 1238.17 1238.67 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1237.328 1237.847 1237.46 1237.78 Yeah . 1237.78 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1237.341 1240.635 1237.57 1240.58 He he's in jail and he's still killing ? 1240.58 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1238.24 1241.447 1238.39 1241.33 Yeah , he's in jail and he's real no , h 1239.23 1241.3 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1238.72 1240.187 1238.87 1240.15 He's in prison , yes . 1239.61 1240.15 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1239.276 1239.802 1239.32 1239.6 Yeah . 1239.6 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1240.704 1245.386 1240.72 1245.23 No no . He tries to decrypt the the the other killers' behaviour . 1241.38 1245.23 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1241.888 1244.447 1242.02 1244.447 Ah , okay , yeah , yeah . 1242.5 1243.28 1243.57 1243.92 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1243.421 1248.384 1243.53 1248.35 He tries to help the F_B_I_ agent , but he plays head games with the F_B_I_ agent at the same time . 1245.32 1248.35 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1249.488 1251.44 1249.55 1251.32 He's a really psychotic man . 1251.32 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1249.8 1254.361 1249.86 1253.85 Yeah . Well , not very nasty ones . Or does he , I don't know . Yeah . 1250.41 1250.6 1251.84 1253.05 1253.51 1253.85 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1250.368 1251.121 1250.39 1251.121 And so - IB4010 A FIE038 0 1252.896 1256.688 1252.92 1256.688 With her ? He manages to freak her out . 1253.66 1256.45 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1255.328 1264.256 1255.35 1264.19 Yeah , that's basically the point , yeah . Mm-hmm . So on the picture you can see uh Jodie Foster and uh ha ha . 1255.73 1257.07 1258.75 1259.74 1264.19 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1255.847 1256.396 1255.94 1256.22 Mm-hmm . 1256.22 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1258.057 1258.416 1258.14 1258.38 So . 1258.38 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1259.673 1261.072 1259.76 1261.072 Hannibal Lecter is a very - IB4010 D MIO046 3 1262.654 1263.17 1262.77 1262.95 Yep . 1262.95 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1263.088 1263.488 1263.11 1263.43 Mm-hmm . 1263.43 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1264.831 1267.224 1264.95 1267.03 Th th The Moth . 1267.03 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1264.893 1265.793 1264.96 1265.68 The Moth . 1265.68 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1265.616 1268.624 1265.65 1268.624 Who's playing the ps psychopath again ? I don't 1268.01 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1268.736 1272.554 1268.8 1272.36 Which , the one who's in jail or the one who Anthony Hopkins . 1269.25 1272.36 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1270.319 1270.752 1270.41 1270.69 Yeah . 1270.69 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1271.024 1277.934 1271.04 1277.934 Anthony Hopkins . The other one , I don't remember . We don't see any h see him very often . But it's 1272.9 1273.6 1274.29 1276.83 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1271.647 1272.474 1271.83 1272.474 Anthony - IB4010 D MIO046 3 1272.048 1272.64 1272.07 1272.61 Okay , yeah . 1272.48 1272.61 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1274.608 1275.542 1274.63 1275.49 I don't either . 1275.49 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1275.206 1281.088 1275.35 1281.088 No . But he plays it really good . Anthony Hop Hopkins he really plays it very good , very good , yeah . 1276.03 1277.33 1279.44 1279.97 1280.97 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1278.08 1280.72 1278.15 1280.72 Yeah , he's scary in that movie . 1278.69 1280.47 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1279.872 1281.216 1279.9 1281.16 Mm-hmm . Yeah . 1281.04 1281.16 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1282.08 1282.95 1282.1 1282.95 So - IB4010 B MIO036 1 1282.576 1290.4 1282.6 1290.4 But the plot is quite horrible . I mean the not the plot , but the what the the active killer wants to do is quite horrible and 1284.46 1285.47 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1290.736 1295.104 1290.76 1295.104 Yeah , I vaguely remember what it is , but 1291.81 1293.96 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1291.99 1294.528 1292.17 1294.528 Mm . 1294.29 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1295.92 1296.496 1295.96 1296.45 Okay . 1296.45 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1295.896 1296.504 1296.01 1296.34 Okay . 1296.34 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1297.36 1301.258 1297.38 1301.16 How many of us have seen it ? I'm guessing you haven't seen it or h okay . 1298.37 1301.16 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1299.536 1302.576 1299.56 1302.576 No , I've seen it actually twice , I think . 1299.85 1301.22 1302.33 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1301.76 1305.897 1301.78 1305.64 Yeah , I've seen it . I think I've seen it a second time on T_V_ , but maybe not entirely . 1301.9 1302.5 1304.28 1305.64 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1304.659 1307.341 1304.77 1307.07 So have we all seen it ? Okay , so we've all seen it . 1305.97 1306.17 1307.07 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1304.946 1309.472 1305.11 1309.44 I've I've see I've seen it , but I can't really remember exactly the all the details . 1306.31 1309.44 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1309.2 1311.944 1309.22 1311.8 I can't either , 'cause I saw it right when it came out . 1309.98 1311.8 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1309.952 1312.024 1310.06 1311.91 That's it's it's probably begin - IB4010 C MIO095 2 1310.103 1310.749 1310.23 1310.55 Uh . 1310.55 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1311.52 1313.528 1311.64 1313.36 It's a long time ago , it's from ninety one ? 1312.38 1313.36 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1312.667 1315.801 1312.77 1315.52 It came out when ninety one , yeah . 1315.08 1315.52 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1313.728 1314.496 1313.75 1314.46 Ninety one . 1314.46 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1314.744 1316.0 1315.03 1315.97 Ninety one , yeah . 1315.7 1315.97 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1317.232 1323.33 1317.25 1323.33 So and I saw it when I was like twelve or thirteen . So perhaps it would be 1321.99 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1317.706 1318.192 1317.98 1318.15 So . 1318.15 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1320.352 1326.432 1320.37 1326.432 Yeah , me too . And at that age I was like mm . 1320.56 1322.02 1326.13 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1322.784 1324.341 1322.784 1324.17 They're much too young . 1324.17 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1323.888 1326.428 1323.96 1326.428 Yep . 1325.58 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1327.2 1333.167 1327.22 1332.96 Okay , American Beauty w w was coming next , seven , was quite quite nice actually . 1327.57 1331.09 1331.42 1332.96 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1330.48 1332.958 1330.5 1332.67 Yeah . Could you go to the next slide ? 1331.57 1332.67 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1331.568 1333.664 1331.59 1333.63 Yeah . That was very good , yeah . 1332.62 1333.38 1333.63 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1334.88 1336.032 1334.9 1335.94 Ah , it's actually there . 1334.97 1335.94 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1335.952 1340.304 1335.97 1340.07 Yeah , it's here , and that's actually my last slide . So um 1336.17 1336.64 1338.89 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1335.933 1336.675 1336.14 1336.37 Yeah . 1336.37 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1340.48 1342.448 1340.5 1342.41 Why you choose you choose seven movie ? 1342.41 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1342.944 1347.647 1342.96 1347.47 I don't know , because it nicely f I I was thinking perhaps we are not able to go through more of them . 1343.36 1347.47 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1347.44 1347.84 1347.47 1347.79 Okay . 1347.79 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1347.936 1349.868 1347.936 1349.6 Indeed . 1349.6 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1348.488 1348.944 1348.55 1348.89 Uh - IB4010 C MIO095 2 1350.32 1366.8 1350.34 1366.77 So American Beauty , so I can perhaps read a little bit the user comment if you want , or uh yeah , you can read the plot outline on the on the on the projector , but it's basically deep , wonderful and penetrating movie , extraordinary uh irony and the p and the psychological drama about American life . 1351.37 1354.34 1355.14 1357.96 1359.65 1361.88 1366.77 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1367.904 1370.634 1367.92 1370.51 Yeah , it's definitely about American life . 1368.05 1370.51 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1369.616 1372.0 1369.64 1371.72 Yeah . Suburban life . 1370.64 1371.72 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1372.208 1379.072 1372.23 1379.04 It's it's kind of crude the critique , but uh on the other way it's quite poetic , it's uh yeah . 1374.51 1377.76 1379.04 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1376.848 1378.864 1376.87 1378.83 There's a lot of very true things in it . 1378.83 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1379.168 1380.864 1379.19 1380.864 Poetic ? 1380.64 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1380.784 1386.551 1380.8 1386.551 Yeah , you know , with the the way of filming and um I don't know , I found it pretty 1381.1 1381.39 1385.09 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1381.197 1381.923 1381.29 1381.63 Yeah . 1381.63 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1385.136 1387.593 1385.16 1387.593 Okay , the way of filming perhaps , but uh 1385.37 1386.57 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1385.211 1388.016 1385.211 1387.97 I haven't seen it , but I would like to see it , so . 1386.55 1387.57 1387.97 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1388.304 1390.864 1388.33 1390.83 No , it's q it's quite in interesting . 1388.43 1390.83 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1389.072 1389.456 1389.11 1389.39 Mm-hmm . 1389.39 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1392.0 1392.32 1392.02 1392.28 Yeah . 1392.28 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1393.072 1394.4 1393.09 1394.36 So yeah . 1394.36 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1394.016 1397.647 1394.04 1397.46 It's much less dark than the other movies we have on that list . 1397.46 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1396.57 1396.992 1396.71 1396.96 Mm-hmm . 1396.96 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1397.105 1399.84 1397.19 1399.58 Mm-hmm . So it's not very violent , really . 1397.95 1399.18 1399.58 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1397.783 1399.183 1398.04 1399.13 Well , it depends . 1398.36 1399.13 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1399.2 1402.465 1399.34 1402.32 It's not well it's dark but no . 1402.32 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1401.056 1412.832 1401.09 1412.79 Ah no , it's it's not violent at all , but more it's more the cr the cr the critique that is quite crude , because all the people in this movie are are uh psychopath in their own way . 1401.35 1403.27 1408.21 1412.79 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1402.736 1403.861 1402.76 1403.57 Ah okay , great . 1403.24 1403.57 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1403.243 1403.706 1403.36 1403.63 No . 1403.63 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1412.768 1413.232 1412.8 1413.2 Mm-hmm . 1413.2 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1413.168 1419.156 1413.19 1419.156 But not like violent cutting people to pieces psychopaths they're just everyone has their own issues and - IB4010 C MIO095 2 1413.103 1413.862 1413.36 1413.72 Mm-hmm . 1413.72 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1414.368 1415.904 1414.5 1415.87 But they are normal people then . 1415.87 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1415.84 1416.56 1415.86 1416.52 Okay , yeah . 1416.26 1416.52 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1418.464 1429.617 1418.55 1429.38 Uh-huh . And what about the well that picture with the the girl and do you see naked people in the movie or is it about sex or something like that ? 1419.68 1429.38 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1418.88 1419.168 1418.9 1419.08 Yeah . 1419.08 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1426.576 1436.416 1426.6 1436.37 Actually , there is this it's uh uh what , a fifty years old man that quit his job and fall in love with um the best friend of his daughter . 1427.16 1429.26 1436.37 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1426.864 1427.479 1426.88 1427.22 No . 1427.22 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1428.837 1429.527 1428.96 1429.527 Well - IB4010 A FIE038 0 1434.058 1441.856 1434.18 1441.856 With hi his daughter , his like teenage daughter . So that's the best friend , and he fantasises about her and 1436.12 1437.63 1438.65 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1436.704 1437.456 1436.72 1437.32 Ah okay . 1437.32 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1438.937 1439.551 1439.04 1439.39 Yeah . 1439.39 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1439.312 1444.264 1439.33 1444.18 Supposedly . Okay . 1443.58 1444.18 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1440.283 1445.088 1440.283 1445.03 Yeah , it's it's good movie . 1443.78 1445.03 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1445.2 1445.741 1445.22 1445.64 Mm-hmm . 1445.64 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1445.125 1445.728 1445.38 1445.67 Uh-huh . 1445.67 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1447.055 1447.456 1447.16 1447.4 Okay . 1447.4 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1448.48 1448.992 1448.59 1448.95 Okay . 1448.95 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1449.104 1454.608 1449.12 1454.42 And it's my last slide . So uh yes , yes , yes . And I think , okay , why not . 1450.53 1452.52 1452.78 1453.36 1453.83 1454.05 1454.42 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1450.672 1451.616 1450.69 1451.58 You have seen it , Mirek ? 1451.36 1451.58 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1455.744 1472.544 1455.76 1472.51 It seems to me that perhaps that Schindler okay , definitely Schindler Schindler's List is perhaps more serious topic for sure , but um well it depends , it depends what we want . Do we want that people are more like uh relaxed in our in our cinema , or are more interested in some particular things ? 1457.52 1462.67 1465.33 1466.25 1469.46 1472.51 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1473.616 1476.992 1473.66 1476.992 Um what do you think , I mean what should we how we should uh 1474.87 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1478.384 1481.68 1478.4 1481.63 What should be the influence , how we are influencing the people in the cinema ? 1479.4 1481.63 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1482.384 1482.88 1482.49 1482.83 Mm-hmm . 1482.83 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1483.088 1483.584 1483.11 1483.584 Um - IB4010 D MIO046 3 1484.656 1493.248 1484.68 1493.2 I think we w want them to to see movies that they won't see oth otherwise , but I'm not sure then it's quite popular the movie we selected , so . 1489.88 1492.85 1493.2 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1484.98 1486.352 1485.01 1486.24 What do we want ? 1486.24 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1493.488 1509.344 1493.51 1509.344 Mm-hmm . Yeah , I think it's a mixture of bringing new things to them , but also making them enjoy the show , so that they come to our movie club , so yeah , I think we shouldn't maybe do very mainstream movies , but well okay , the list here is quite uh 1494.21 1494.32 1497.01 1499.08 1501.26 1502.22 1506.6 1507.67 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1499.755 1500.371 1499.93 1500.28 Mm-hmm . 1500.28 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1509.488 1513.952 1509.51 1513.92 See I don't know what was mainstream in Europe , like all of these movies are very mainstream for me . 1511.22 1513.92 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1510.019 1510.638 1510.21 1510.41 Yeah . 1510.41 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1514.672 1517.804 1514.69 1517.52 Yeah , I think also if you look at the number of votes here . 1514.9 1517.52 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1515.4 1516.149 1515.58 1516.149 But - IB4010 D MIO046 3 1515.804 1519.428 1515.97 1519.16 If they are in the top fifty , they are quite mainstream , but uh 1517.27 1518.69 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1517.785 1518.491 1518.08 1518.35 Mm-hmm . 1518.35 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1518.88 1519.408 1518.9 1519.408 Uh - IB4010 B MIO036 1 1520.72 1528.923 1520.74 1528.923 Yeah . Uh regarding the Denis's table I would say given that this site , I don't know if it's mainly American , but uh I would say that 1521.34 1525.06 1526.79 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1527.961 1530.368 1528.07 1530.368 It has other movies , but I think it's predominantly 1528.9 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1530.418 1532.809 1530.44 1532.809 Uh I think there is the - IB4010 B MIO036 1 1530.464 1536.188 1530.48 1536.188 Yeah , I think mm yeah , it's English speaking anyway , so uh though so 1530.7 1532.19 1533.62 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1533.624 1534.214 1533.69 1533.96 Mm-hmm . 1533.96 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1534.976 1537.902 1535.0 1537.8 There are Chinese movies , English movies . 1536.68 1537.8 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1537.472 1538.709 1537.49 1538.6 Yeah , but if you look at 1537.77 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1537.914 1539.74 1538.15 1539.74 No , there's movies from everywhere , but 1538.27 1539.41 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1540.144 1563.839 1540.16 1563.68 Yeah , but I would say mainstream are the ones that have more than , whatever , sixty thousand votes , and you can see some more , well , confidential films that have like ten thousand , twenty thousand , like mm Princess Mononoke , twenty thousand and uh , whatever , the the Kieslowski at eleven thousand , the Trois Coleurs Rouge . 1540.67 1543.78 1544.19 1546.39 1549.0 1549.2 1552.79 1554.37 1556.82 1559.33 1559.76 1562.34 1563.68 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1554.0 1554.352 1554.03 1554.31 Mm-hmm . 1554.31 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1563.024 1567.2 1563.04 1567.15 It's it's quite a lot for Kieslowski actually . I was surprised to s yeah yeah . 1565.51 1567.15 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1565.547 1572.237 1565.7 1571.83 Yeah , it's not bad at all , yeah . So yeah , anyway , if you want a definition of mainstream or whatever . 1565.89 1566.81 1568.5 1568.88 1569.19 1571.83 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1569.243 1569.937 1569.57 1569.83 Hmm . 1569.83 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1571.936 1572.24 1571.96 1572.21 Yeah . 1572.21 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1572.16 1582.752 1572.25 1582.71 And Festen also is uh is quite high . Uh I I don't know if you've seen this one . It's The Celebration I think . It's uh uh movie from a Swedish guy . 1575.73 1577.42 1579.92 1582.71 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1574.816 1575.328 1574.85 1575.28 Mm-hmm . 1575.28 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1575.946 1576.457 1576.0 1576.38 Yep . 1576.38 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1577.008 1579.172 1577.08 1579.05 No , I've never even heard of it . 1577.89 1579.05 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1581.84 1586.363 1582.13 1586.28 D uh Danish I think , it's the Dogma movement . Yeah . 1584.13 1585.93 1586.28 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1584.369 1588.032 1584.48 1587.99 Danish ? Dogma movies , yeah . Lars von Trier . 1585.18 1586.1 1586.88 1587.99 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1588.72 1589.055 1588.74 1588.95 Yeah . 1588.95 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1589.09 1589.936 1589.09 1589.9 Oh okay . 1589.9 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1589.248 1589.472 1589.27 1589.39 Yeah . 1589.39 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1589.423 1589.904 1589.69 1589.87 Mm-hmm . 1589.87 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1592.112 1593.6 1592.15 1593.54 Okay , can we 1592.79 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1593.888 1594.848 1593.91 1594.848 Yeah , let's uh 1594.12 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1594.286 1596.0 1594.48 1595.97 discuss about your document , maybe ? 1595.68 1595.97 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1595.92 1610.768 1595.92 1610.73 Yeah , so it's uh actually I have made I have made photocopies . I have them Denis , so it's all for you . Actually I I tried to propose just one movie with some alternates . Uh you want one ? 1597.22 1601.48 1602.46 1604.3 1609.04 1610.73 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1598.297 1601.896 1598.67 1601.56 Maybe can I ask you for the for the list of movies ? 1601.56 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1599.39 1599.873 1599.54 1599.7 Yep . 1599.7 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1601.705 1602.383 1601.78 1602.25 Okay . 1602.25 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1603.04 1603.52 1603.09 1603.42 Okay . 1603.42 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1606.662 1607.568 1606.9 1607.2 Thank you . 1607.2 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1608.138 1609.36 1608.33 1609.36 This one . And the 1608.85 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1610.752 1617.568 1610.8 1617.51 Denis , Denis , could you give me the the list of the to uh top fifty ? Yeah . But you have your own copy then ? okay , good , thank you . 1611.18 1611.46 1614.03 1614.55 1616.7 1616.97 1617.22 1617.51 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1613.136 1613.824 1613.16 1613.71 Yeah , sure . 1613.32 1613.71 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1615.68 1616.0 1615.73 1615.89 Yep . 1615.89 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1618.0 1661.154 1618.72 1661.154 Um so my proposal , which is only a proposal , would be to to keep the focus on um uh more or less history and action , so Lawrence of Arabia was , okay , about this guy during the first world war , so it happens , okay , outside Europe and the States , but uh it's a piece of history . Uh Apocalypse Now it's uh Vietnam , if I'm um correct and , okay , Amadeus , that's much uh much earlier and it's not about it's not violent , which is a nice thing I think . But um given that we would like a movie from the nineties , I thought the Saving Private Ryan oh thanks for projecting the document 1621.39 1622.63 1629.7 1631.7 1632.0 1634.35 1635.52 1635.82 1637.53 1640.26 1642.27 1645.22 1645.4 1645.96 1649.74 1652.15 1656.21 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1642.799 1643.261 1642.9 1643.16 Mm-hmm . 1643.16 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1643.86 1644.293 1643.91 1644.22 Mm-hmm . 1644.22 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1661.154 1689.676 1661.52 1689.676 um would keep this more or less this theme of uh history and war and action drama , while showing actually a very new and I would say humanistic view on on war . Because it's it's not like the sort of glorification of uh , you know , the good guys that that uh well go against the Nazis , but uh it's uh it's well the plot actually if you don't know it 1670.65 1676.47 1680.43 1680.75 1684.89 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1689.676 1715.415 1689.7 1715.12 It's about people looking for just one soldier , in fact it's um it's about a a family of four brothers , who actually three of them get killed during the war in these days of forty well , I guess summer forty four and the uh well the government decides that they need to get back the fourth brother just to save one member of the family . And this this guy is Private Ryan . 1692.8 1696.71 1702.79 1713.07 1715.12 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1693.788 1694.196 1693.85 1694.1 Mm-hmm . 1694.1 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1710.8 1711.21 1710.88 1711.13 Mm-hmm . 1711.13 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1715.415 1746.611 1715.79 1746.611 So the movie is not about killing the Germans or whatever , it's about saving at least one guy from a family , so but of course the the setting is during the war and um it's very realistic and uh very dramatic in fact . It's um it's not at all a glorification of war but it's just uh it shows a bit uh the violence of um of the things . And especially the the beginning is uh I think it's great , it's it's very violent , but it's it's an image of of war . It's uh 1719.46 1723.33 1730.21 1738.18 1741.9 1743.08 1745.67 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1744.939 1747.936 1745.12 1747.89 Yeah . It's quite horrible actually . 1746.39 1747.89 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1745.318 1749.104 1745.68 1748.96 It's v very very violent . 1748.96 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1749.024 1753.52 1749.04 1753.52 Yeah , but I think if mm well if you compare it with 1749.35 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1749.17 1749.584 1749.29 1749.55 Yeah . 1749.55 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1751.638 1753.235 1751.76 1752.94 Mirek , you didn't see it ? 1752.22 1752.94 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1752.631 1759.501 1752.66 1759.44 That's the I I I saw it and I d I'm trying to remember the beginning , that's the Normandy landing ? Okay , yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah , that was really horrible . 1755.17 1756.85 1757.26 1758.23 1759.44 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1755.72 1757.168 1755.74 1757.05 The landing , yeah . 1756.56 1757.05 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1755.984 1761.745 1756.09 1761.745 It yeah , it's the landing , and actually every more or less everyone gets killed and 1756.63 1758.34 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1756.619 1757.504 1756.83 1756.99 Yeah . 1756.99 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1758.83 1762.294 1759.06 1762.294 Yeah . This is not a movie for kids , like 1759.67 1761.7 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1759.868 1765.056 1760.17 1765.056 But it's it's a piece of art because he used something like one hundred camera to film that , or 1764.75 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1761.734 1762.258 1761.82 1762.15 Yeah . 1762.15 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1765.184 1797.92 1765.2 1797.89 Oh I I didn't know , but yeah , actually it's very well filmed and it's very realistic , and I don't know if you compare with , I don't know , in Lawrence of Arabia I think they have some battles and camels . I know it's very nice , someone falls somewhere there and , well you know , it's like battles that look nice , but this one doesn't look nice , and I think it's uh it's also maybe representative of the nineties , you know , people starting to get the more uh realistic view of uh of of war . But it's true , it's it's a bit violent , and so what I put here it's a bit long too , it's nearly three hours . 1766.18 1766.62 1769.96 1771.69 1772.09 1774.98 1775.84 1778.71 1779.34 1781.47 1782.76 1786.65 1786.91 1791.93 1792.42 1794.29 1796.47 1797.89 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1766.291 1766.858 1766.34 1766.63 Mm-hmm . 1766.63 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1766.774 1767.7 1767.03 1767.57 Yeah . 1767.57 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1768.314 1768.984 1768.45 1768.7 Yep . 1768.7 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1774.579 1775.495 1774.76 1775.4 Mm-hmm mm-hmm . 1775.4 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1775.066 1776.698 1775.3 1776.43 Yeah it's quite s yeah . 1776.43 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1782.521 1784.045 1782.521 1783.95 No , not at all . 1783.38 1783.95 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1798.869 1802.546 1798.98 1802.47 But uh I don't know , Apocalypse Now is quite long too I think 1800.18 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1801.952 1803.136 1801.952 1803.1 yeah . 1803.1 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1802.432 1809.53 1802.45 1809.34 Yeah , it is . There is two there are two versions I think , and but w but we yeah , we projected the longer one , so . 1802.68 1803.08 1805.29 1807.54 1809.16 1809.34 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1803.344 1804.208 1803.41 1804.17 I don't remember . 1804.17 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1805.072 1807.12 1805.09 1807.08 Yeah , the redux version is longer . 1805.54 1807.08 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1807.424 1808.037 1807.45 1807.97 Mm-hmm . 1807.97 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1809.008 1809.531 1809.03 1809.27 Yeah . 1809.27 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1809.152 1821.638 1809.17 1821.638 Yeah . So it won uh five Oscar prizes , uh best director for Steven Spielberg , um best cimena cinematography , etcetera . Uh 1810.22 1813.72 1817.12 1819.57 1820.94 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1820.672 1826.356 1820.74 1826.23 How many times uh Spielberg received the best uh director Oscar ? 1826.23 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1825.52 1827.008 1825.55 1826.97 I think just once for this . 1826.97 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1825.956 1826.738 1826.01 1826.64 I don't know . 1826.64 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1827.232 1829.728 1827.25 1829.69 Not for the Schin Schindler's List or for - IB4010 A FIE038 0 1829.509 1830.592 1829.65 1830.45 Oh maybe he did . 1830.45 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1830.666 1831.488 1830.69 1831.45 for E_T_ ? 1831.45 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1831.984 1840.891 1832.01 1840.83 No , for E_T_ he didn't . It wasn't until he started doing things like Schindler's List and Saving Private Ryan that he actually started winning awards for them . 1832.22 1834.01 1840.83 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1833.184 1835.134 1833.21 1835.134 He won f he won the mm - IB4010 B MIO036 1 1834.211 1834.849 1834.3 1834.56 Oh . 1834.56 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1840.144 1844.736 1840.16 1844.68 No , he won f for E_T_ , he won the mm Cannes , uh what is uh Palme d'Or . 1840.35 1841.36 1843.34 1844.68 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1840.245 1840.942 1840.37 1840.84 Hmm . 1840.84 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1841.744 1842.422 1841.76 1842.28 Did he ? 1842.28 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1844.88 1845.968 1844.94 1845.93 Oh okay , yeah . 1845.73 1845.93 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1845.888 1846.368 1845.91 1846.33 Mm-hmm . 1846.33 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1845.661 1846.489 1846.01 1846.14 Yeah . 1846.14 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1847.255 1848.139 1847.39 1847.96 I didn't know that . 1847.96 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1849.536 1870.678 1849.56 1870.678 Um okay , so um yeah , that's that's the point , it's it's a bit grey , and actually if you look at my second page , uh in the trivia I found out that in fact they uh actually reduced the the colour saturation of the movie , just to make it look maybe a bit like the documentaries from the time . Yeah , I was very surprised to find this uh it's 1850.62 1852.04 1853.22 1854.46 1857.34 1863.26 1867.62 1867.75 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1857.128 1857.736 1857.22 1857.48 Mm-hmm . 1857.48 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1865.42 1867.444 1865.53 1867.36 That was very interesting to read , yeah . 1867.06 1867.36 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1869.584 1876.672 1869.6 1876.64 But then they uh I read that they they w where was it ? Th they turned back to yeah . 1873.93 1876.64 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1873.306 1876.3 1873.38 1876.3 They they turned back the colours for uh - IB4010 A FIE038 0 1874.321 1876.464 1874.38 1876.43 They re-enhanced the colour , yeah . 1876.1 1876.43 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1876.624 1885.132 1876.65 1885.132 Because people start to complain that uh that w there was a problem with a T_V_ when they were broadcasting the movie on the T_V_ . Uh 1884.4 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1877.284 1877.823 1877.44 1877.79 Yeah . 1877.79 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1878.233 1880.05 1878.41 1880.05 That it was their T_V_s and not - IB4010 B MIO036 1 1883.04 1908.282 1883.06 1908.282 Yeah . So this uh fact number two I think obviously for I mean technical people like us is uh is is is quite funny . So yeah , so I I mean these four points could serve also as an introduction if you want to talk f fo for fi five or ten minutes before the movie , I don't know , in in the room . So uh yeah , mm so tha this would be my candidate , but I'm very much open to 1883.45 1891.43 1892.04 1900.98 1901.5 1903.14 1903.91 1905.84 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1886.976 1889.312 1887.02 1889.312 That's an interesting point , interesting point . 1888.19 1889.04 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1906.352 1930.434 1906.37 1930.434 And then then there is this uh there is an hero , I mean it's uh or a non-hero , and in all the other stu stories , the in the previous movies there were an he an hero , Lawrence of Arabia , uh Amadeus . Apocalypse Now , it's also non-hero I think , but uh but here I don't remember it's actually the Tom Hanks the hero , or it's 1909.68 1912.32 1914.71 1917.64 1919.39 1920.97 1921.68 1923.48 1929.48 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1916.016 1916.336 1916.05 1916.29 Mm-hmm . 1916.29 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1918.864 1919.44 1919.0 1919.41 Mm-hmm . 1919.41 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1924.24 1924.846 1924.3 1924.58 Yeah . 1924.58 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1927.744 1940.011 1927.76 1939.63 Yeah , on th on yeah , on the picture actually yeah , it's Tom Hanks . In fact you you don't see uh Private Ryan until the end more or less , or you see mm because they they're looking for him , yeah . 1927.97 1929.14 1930.81 1931.64 1935.97 1939.39 1939.63 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1937.091 1945.439 1937.18 1945.25 Yeah , about two thirds of the way through the movie , 'cause most of the movie is them find trying to find him on the front , right ? No , no . 1937.37 1939.48 1943.37 1944.4 1945.03 1945.25 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1938.944 1941.954 1938.96 1941.84 Yeah , but in the end you can ref yes . 1939.39 1941.84 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1942.112 1942.578 1942.15 1942.52 Mm-hmm . 1942.52 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1943.2 1947.11 1943.22 1946.79 He's Private Ryan , Tom Hanks ? No he's not . He's trying to find him . 1944.41 1945.06 1945.85 1946.79 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1945.013 1946.382 1945.2 1946.382 No , Tom Tom 1945.43 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1945.783 1946.373 1945.93 1946.32 No . 1946.32 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1946.736 1947.792 1946.76 1947.76 Yeah , he's trying to find him . 1946.95 1947.76 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1947.04 1950.352 1947.08 1950.26 Yeah . Well the caption says Captain John Miller , so . 1947.74 1949.92 1950.26 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1947.296 1947.748 1947.32 1947.6 Mm-hmm . 1947.6 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1951.36 1956.395 1951.5 1956.395 So i if you look at the caption um yep . So he's uh he's 1954.84 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1951.84 1952.734 1951.86 1952.68 Yeah , yeah . 1952.06 1952.68 IB4010 D MIO046 3 1954.816 1955.503 1954.92 1955.37 Okay . 1955.37 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1955.075 1958.433 1955.075 1958.33 Private Ryan was Matt Damon I think , yeah . 1958.11 1958.33 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1957.488 1961.543 1957.51 1961.39 Yeah , so the Private is just a simple soldier actually . Yeah . 1957.93 1961.16 1961.39 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1960.896 1961.336 1960.92 1961.2 Yeah . 1961.2 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1960.917 1965.088 1961.04 1964.93 By the way , did he fied dinally uh f fi died finally or not ? 1961.47 1964.93 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1965.536 1972.728 1965.57 1972.58 Uh who , Private Ryan or no no , they find him actually and they send him back to the family , but the Captain dies actually , Tom Han 1966.19 1967.67 1970.42 1972.15 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1966.273 1967.497 1966.29 1967.44 Uh the Private Ryan , yeah . 1967.19 1967.44 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1968.684 1973.471 1968.73 1973.42 Th they I remember I remember they found him , but ah okay , yes yes yes . 1971.36 1972.23 1973.42 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1969.823 1970.419 1969.98 1970.27 Yeah . 1970.27 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1971.91 1977.074 1972.03 1977.02 Is it him at the begin it's him at the beginning of the movie at the at the the graveyard , right ? 1976.74 1977.02 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1976.026 1976.515 1976.12 1976.48 L - IB4010 C MIO095 2 1977.84 1978.864 1978.13 1978.864 Because I remember - IB4010 B MIO036 1 1978.048 1981.92 1978.22 1981.89 Oh yeah , it's Private Ryan , yeah , remembering at the beginning . Mm-hmm . 1978.62 1979.52 1979.79 1981.54 1981.89 IB4010 A FIE038 0 1979.153 1982.087 1979.38 1982.01 Yeah , with his family . Yeah . 1980.36 1981.55 1982.01 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1980.174 1980.681 1980.29 1980.55 Mm-hmm . 1980.55 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1981.792 1992.885 1981.81 1992.8 Because I remember that th in the end of the movie they are trying to defend some bridge or something and there's quite heavy shooting and uh finally it's actually John Miller who die . Okay okay . 1991.73 1992.8 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1988.576 1989.058 1988.6 1988.87 Mm-hmm . 1988.87 IB4010 B MIO036 1 1991.168 1996.614 1991.19 1996.614 Yeah , exactly , yeah , he dies unfortunately . So yeah , there is sacrifices and 1991.42 1991.89 1992.08 1994.03 1994.48 IB4010 C MIO095 2 1995.336 1996.605 1995.56 1996.5 It's not the Private Ryan - IB4010 D MIO046 3 1995.536 2013.252 1995.56 2013.252 At the end , to tell you the truth , I didn't like so much the movie because it was quite moralistic , because there were a guy who was who didn't kill German because he was quite non-violent . And because he didn't kill this German , the German killed , I don't know , uh maybe um 1996.05 1996.85 2000.26 2007.23 2009.86 2011.22 2012.06 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2004.608 2005.329 2004.64 2005.01 Mm-hmm . 2005.01 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2006.624 2006.96 2006.65 2006.92 Mm-hmm . 2006.92 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2012.474 2013.332 2012.67 2013.2 Oh . 2013.2 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2013.056 2015.488 2013.08 2015.45 Perhaps it was a g uh this uh Tom Hanks , yeah . 2015.23 2015.45 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2015.632 2015.872 2015.65 2015.84 Yep . 2015.84 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2015.888 2016.32 2015.92 2016.28 Mm-hmm . 2016.28 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2017.04 2018.33 2017.06 2018.16 Oh yeah , yeah . 2017.75 2018.16 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2017.064 2020.544 2017.12 2020.5 And it was like , if he had killed the mm 2018.86 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2020.608 2021.776 2020.66 2021.72 Yeah , the German . 2020.97 2021.72 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2021.952 2026.24 2021.97 2026.18 If he would kill him , he wouldn't die . Wow . Tom Hanks wouldn't die . 2022.9 2023.76 2025.28 2026.18 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2023.312 2024.48 2023.33 2024.43 Because he e yeah . 2024.43 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2023.264 2025.104 2023.39 2025.06 Uh-huh . Yeah . 2024.74 2025.06 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2026.672 2042.704 2026.69 2042.45 Well I mean yeah , it has a moral dimension all over the movie , you know , saving the individual and the guys . So yeah , I I don't know . I don't know how many people have have seen it , well among you , well most of you actually . Oh all , okay , all of us . So maybe th people know it quite well . 2027.65 2029.79 2030.17 2032.52 2033.02 2033.83 2035.92 2037.21 2038.59 2039.04 2039.35 2040.14 2042.45 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2030.016 2030.272 2030.04 2030.2 Yeah . 2030.2 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2037.388 2038.112 2037.62 2038.01 I have . 2038.01 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2038.084 2039.017 2038.3 2038.94 I have . 2038.94 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2038.326 2039.809 2038.43 2039.72 I've seen it . I've seen it . 2039.19 2039.72 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2040.784 2041.077 2040.8 2040.98 Yeah . 2040.98 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2042.256 2044.544 2042.65 2044.544 Yeah , we're running um 2042.91 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2043.84 2064.42 2043.86 2064.42 Yeah . Okay , so yeah , so I have some other candidates , um it's on first page at the bottom . Uh I also put Pulp Fiction , uh The Silence of the Lambs and I also , well , sort of included La Vita e Bella , but I know we're an Engish movie club , so I guess it's um it's a bit out of purpose . But it 2044.48 2044.75 2045.76 2047.49 2050.46 2052.81 2055.65 2056.1 2057.85 2059.59 2063.77 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2044.388 2045.28 2044.44 2044.9 Out of time ? 2044.9 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2052.4 2052.768 2052.43 2052.72 Mm-hmm . 2052.72 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2063.744 2065.696 2063.76 2065.6 What is the movie about , the La Vita e Bella ? 2064.71 2065.6 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2066.496 2092.647 2066.52 2092.51 Oh it's uh it's about again about the camps and the Second World War . So it's about uh a family of Italians which uh g arrives into a a death camp , and in fact it's treated in a more or less humorous mode , so um the father tries to hide from i from his boy that they are in a death camp , and it's this very strange mm well , not really humour , but relation between the uh how 2070.82 2076.61 2079.47 2086.12 2089.12 2090.15 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2067.949 2069.507 2067.97 2069.44 But it was in English , no ? 2068.91 2069.44 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2070.736 2071.427 2070.84 2071.22 Ah-ha . 2071.22 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2070.846 2072.806 2070.87 2072.77 I don't think so . No , it was an Italian . 2071.59 2071.79 2072.77 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2073.568 2073.983 2073.59 2073.81 Mm-hmm . 2073.81 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2076.448 2076.72 2076.48 2076.68 Uh-huh . 2076.68 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2085.904 2087.11 2085.92 2086.94 Uh-huh uh-huh . 2086.94 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2091.52 2094.962 2091.54 2094.65 How it end up , what is the what is the ending of the movie ? 2092.2 2094.65 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2093.744 2110.208 2093.76 2110.16 Well the boy gets saved , but the father dies . Yeah . So I don't know i it created some controversies I think , because people said you shouldn't do any form of humour related to the camps , but it's very very moving , so I think it's anyway um Italian , so . 2094.95 2097.01 2097.7 2101.79 2105.69 2106.94 2109.95 2110.16 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2096.24 2097.056 2096.28 2096.9 Mm-hmm mm-hmm . 2096.9 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2101.777 2102.269 2102.05 2102.17 Mm-hmm . 2102.17 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2105.224 2105.715 2105.33 2105.58 Mm-hmm . 2105.58 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2107.248 2107.568 2107.3 2107.53 Mm-hmm . 2107.53 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2110.208 2117.934 2110.23 2117.7 That's actually the third movie about the Second War . Schindler's List , a P uh Saving Private Ryan and La Vita e Bella . 2112.94 2113.74 2117.7 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2113.722 2114.643 2114.0 2114.33 Yeah . 2114.33 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2116.752 2117.936 2116.77 2117.88 Yep . Yeah . 2117.57 2117.88 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2118.974 2121.488 2118.974 2121.32 Okay uh Denis . 2121.32 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2119.232 2119.726 2119.26 2119.61 Mm-hmm . 2119.61 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2121.408 2136.72 2121.43 2136.68 Yep , so I have uh a quite different movie to propose you . I don't know uh it's f called The Big Lebowski from um uh Joel Coen . Actually they are brothers , you probably know them . I don't know how many of you have seen this movie . 2121.82 2126.83 2132.62 2133.85 2134.82 2136.68 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2137.616 2137.856 2137.64 2137.82 No . 2137.82 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2138.032 2144.881 2138.07 2144.75 Haven't seen it , but uh I heard it's very funny . And I've seen some other films by by the Coen brothers . 2139.51 2141.35 2144.75 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2138.083 2138.761 2138.18 2138.65 No ? 2138.65 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2138.197 2139.744 2138.31 2139.47 Just partially I think . 2139.47 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2144.56 2147.908 2144.58 2147.83 Yeah , they made uh Fargo , which is in the list . 2144.97 2146.73 2147.83 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2146.848 2148.416 2146.87 2148.38 Yeah , which is in your table . 2147.3 2148.38 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2147.914 2148.481 2148.02 2148.36 Mm-hmm . 2148.36 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2148.752 2149.6 2148.77 2149.56 And uh - IB4010 B MIO036 1 2150.32 2154.735 2150.34 2154.7 Um the last one was the one with Catherine Zeta-Jones uh . 2154.7 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2153.888 2159.379 2153.91 2159.379 uh Cr uh Cruel Intentions , or something like that I think , or 2157.76 2158.99 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2156.048 2157.637 2156.07 2157.32 Crue crue - IB4010 B MIO036 1 2159.088 2162.544 2159.12 2162.26 Yeah , something about cruelty or very funny . 2159.34 2162.26 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2161.232 2175.776 2161.25 2175.776 Okay so , I don't know how I'm going to sell you this movie , because actually the plot is impossible to make , because it's um actually it's inspired from a movie called The Big Sleep and um 2162.84 2165.76 2169.45 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2176.464 2177.648 2176.48 2177.61 A movie or a novel ? 2177.61 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2178.256 2188.048 2178.28 2188.048 Uh it's actually the t where I've seen that ? In a it's uh a movie from Raymond Chandler , The Big Sleep . It's uh 2182.05 2185.46 2187.27 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2187.984 2195.04 2188.01 2195.01 No , but they say that Raymond Chandler wrote the novel . You see , it's the the last but one paragraph on your second page . 2188.15 2191.55 2191.94 2195.01 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2191.552 2192.191 2191.57 2192.04 Ah okay . 2192.04 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2194.192 2196.976 2194.21 2196.92 Yeah yeah yeah . So it's it's uh it's a novel , okay . 2194.9 2196.49 2196.92 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2198.912 2243.459 2198.93 2243.31 But uh then the story goes that while that film was in production and director , okay , okay you're right , it was a book . Okay , so it's about a a g a guy who called the D the Dude , I don't know you pronounce it , and uh he's actually uh smoking pot and doing nothing , just um he's living in L_A_ . It's uh it's a typical typical fellow from the from the suburb , and he has some friends , uh typical friends , one one is uh an old guy from coming back from Vietnam , obsessed by Vietnam , um another guy who is never speaking , and they all play together uh bowling . 2204.33 2205.45 2206.37 2208.05 2208.32 2213.73 2215.69 2220.4 2223.16 2229.11 2230.36 2231.23 2235.24 2237.1 2240.87 2243.31 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2199.224 2200.086 2199.33 2199.95 I think so . 2199.95 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2217.728 2218.048 2217.75 2217.96 Mm . 2217.96 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2236.384 2236.768 2236.4 2236.72 Mm-hmm . 2236.72 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2243.664 2244.531 2243.69 2244.38 Mm-hmm mm-hmm . 2244.38 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2243.459 2259.472 2244.21 2259.44 And um the casting is very interesting , there is um okay , actually I wanted to propose you some posters related to this movie . Uh maybe it w maybe it's going to open the discussion on on posters as well . 2247.78 2249.6 2254.18 2259.44 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2260.656 2281.248 2260.68 2281.21 So actually here you on this the first poster you can see the actors from the movie , I don't know if you know some of them , so Jeff Bridges at the top , uh Goodman is the second one , the b the big guy . Then Turturro , and uh uh the last one is Buscemi , and I don't remember the name of the girl . 2266.15 2267.99 2270.22 2272.35 2274.12 2275.99 2278.67 2281.21 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2267.982 2268.692 2268.02 2268.45 Mm-hmm . 2268.45 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2281.49 2284.191 2281.58 2283.99 Mm it's Julianne Moore , isn't it ? Yeah . 2282.63 2283.75 2283.99 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2282.768 2283.216 2282.79 2283.216 Um - IB4010 D MIO046 3 2283.216 2284.432 2283.25 2284.39 Yeah , Julianne Moore . 2283.79 2284.39 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2284.848 2287.216 2284.87 2287.18 Y you wrote the paragraph on the poster ? 2287.18 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2287.504 2292.535 2287.52 2292.25 Uh I I took it from I don't know where . So uh 2291.11 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2291.024 2295.12 2291.04 2295.12 Okay . Could be edited a bit . 2293.17 2294.91 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2293.133 2293.758 2293.24 2293.5 Actu - IB4010 D MIO046 3 2295.328 2312.15 2295.35 2312.15 Actually I'm not going to sp to describe much more The Big Lebowski , but uh it's quite hard to describe , it's uh it's it's a journey about this guy , but it's it's a movie , quite surrealistic , I mean there are some part that are like coming from dreams and uh 2298.88 2300.83 2303.58 2305.14 2306.64 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2300.795 2301.593 2301.08 2301.37 Mm-hmm . 2301.37 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2310.16 2310.817 2310.34 2310.66 Mm-hmm . 2310.66 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2310.087 2317.917 2310.34 2317.917 Mm-hmm . Why the movie is called The Big Lebowski ? Why The Big uh Lebowski is his uh family name , right , but why it's called The Big 2311.27 2313.39 2315.99 2316.28 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2316.848 2326.544 2316.87 2326.51 Yeah , it's his family name and uh actually Jeffrey Lebowski and he's he's the there is a a story with another Lebowski that yeah . 2317.14 2326.51 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2324.149 2326.936 2324.29 2326.83 Yeah . Yeah , there are two Lebowskis in the film . 2324.98 2325.14 2326.83 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2326.464 2331.184 2326.48 2331.184 Okay . And why The Big Lebowski ? It's the it's the second one or 2327.17 2329.26 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2327.959 2328.676 2327.98 2328.676 And uh - IB4010 D MIO046 3 2329.728 2337.012 2329.728 2336.98 I I I don't remember , maybe it's just uh uh because of The Big Sleep there is uh 2332.01 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2336.398 2336.981 2336.49 2336.95 Mm-hmm . 2336.95 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2336.624 2338.68 2336.64 2338.36 Uh-huh . Ah okay , okay . Uh-huh . 2336.97 2337.6 2337.99 2338.36 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2337.776 2339.87 2337.8 2339.76 Yeah , there should be a reference there . 2337.94 2339.76 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2337.984 2363.744 2338.0 2363.69 I don't know , a reference . So it's a kind of it's like American Beauty in some way , it's even worse . We see worse people . So it's kind of uh an ethnographic movie I would say , but uh and it's a modern hero , it's it's quite fun . And the casting is is marvellous , so that is that's it for this movie . And um I just wanted to go to the design of the poster actually . 2339.15 2340.19 2343.71 2345.54 2347.52 2350.36 2352.48 2354.27 2355.76 2359.19 2363.69 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2340.443 2340.936 2340.46 2340.83 Yeah . 2340.83 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2343.984 2344.548 2344.01 2344.48 Mm-hmm . 2344.48 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2352.72 2353.708 2352.74 2353.47 Mm-hmm mm-hmm . 2353.47 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2360.394 2360.72 2360.48 2360.68 Hmm . 2360.68 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2364.816 2365.518 2364.85 2365.518 Because - IB4010 A FIE038 0 2364.751 2365.845 2364.97 2365.78 I quite like that . 2365.78 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2366.42 2370.608 2366.53 2370.57 Yeah . It's probably a bit dark for a poster , but otherwise it's very nice . 2367.08 2368.92 2370.57 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2366.531 2367.12 2366.8 2367.07 Yeah . 2367.07 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2368.88 2369.184 2368.9 2369.14 Yep . 2369.14 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2370.864 2380.144 2370.88 2380.11 The idea is is also to discuss the content . Shall we put a summary of the movie or the plot , and w what kind of information do we want ? So that's the first poster . 2373.42 2376.71 2378.96 2380.11 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2379.521 2379.988 2379.54 2379.95 Mm-hmm . 2379.95 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2379.84 2380.256 2379.87 2380.21 Mm-hmm . 2380.21 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2381.6 2385.952 2381.62 2385.9 There is alo um this poster , quite dark also . 2385.0 2385.9 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2386.496 2386.88 2386.53 2386.84 Mm-hmm . 2386.84 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2387.44 2404.926 2387.51 2404.62 Uh so y y I don't know if you you cannot really see , but uh mm there is the the pricing information . So we said that one movie is eight Francs and three movies eighteen Francs . And we can have annual subscrip subscription of sixty Francs . 2390.52 2395.15 2400.64 2404.62 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2396.288 2396.807 2396.32 2396.77 Mm-hmm . 2396.77 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2403.728 2404.032 2403.75 2404.0 Yeah . 2404.0 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2404.56 2404.928 2404.58 2404.89 Mm-hmm . 2404.89 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2406.24 2412.944 2406.26 2412.91 Uh I wanted to say some information to involve people on in the committee as well , if they want to take part to the committee to select movies . 2410.47 2412.91 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2411.577 2412.31 2411.79 2412.24 Yeah . 2412.24 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2414.32 2416.803 2414.32 2416.77 And uh what else ? 2416.77 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2415.93 2416.752 2416.03 2416.65 Mm-hmm . 2416.65 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2417.792 2418.56 2417.81 2418.56 S some - IB4010 C MIO095 2 2417.842 2431.616 2418.12 2431.58 I think this is not bad , because they say something little bit about our uh movie club and uh , yeah , The Big Lebowski it's clear that it's a movie and uh I guess the people can remember that it was a movie at least , even if they haven't see it . 2418.95 2423.85 2424.02 2430.42 2431.58 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2431.952 2436.144 2431.97 2436.144 Looks like a C_D_ cover . 2435.72 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2432.336 2434.282 2432.36 2434.282 Mm-hmm . 2434.09 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2434.336 2435.131 2434.36 2435.131 CD cover . 2435.03 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2434.816 2441.312 2434.85 2441.27 Yeah , actually the idea was to s yeah , there is at the bottom the a scene from one of these dream of The Big Lebowski . 2435.18 2436.73 2441.27 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2441.376 2441.792 2441.4 2441.76 Yeah . 2441.76 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2441.744 2442.816 2441.76 2442.76 Oh okay , it's a dream . 2442.09 2442.76 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2442.816 2463.597 2442.84 2463.597 And uh the the first part is actually y you see a cowboy and the the hero , the Jeffrey Lebowski , the Dude . And the cowboy , it's actually at the beginning of the movie , the c the cowboy introduce the story , and he's coming back at the end of the story , and he's e explaining what kind of movie uh you are going to to see . 2447.72 2449.09 2449.93 2450.52 2452.89 2455.1 2457.37 2463.53 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2442.838 2443.552 2443.2 2443.52 Mm-hmm . 2443.52 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2449.664 2450.183 2449.7 2450.07 Mm-hmm . 2450.07 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2449.664 2450.205 2449.88 2450.16 Mm-hmm . 2450.16 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2457.083 2458.092 2457.41 2457.89 Oh okay . 2457.89 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2462.032 2465.76 2462.032 2465.73 Okay , sounds a bit crazy . 2464.57 2465.73 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2466.352 2468.64 2466.37 2468.64 And last posters - IB4010 B MIO036 1 2467.998 2468.456 2468.14 2468.36 Yeah . 2468.36 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2470.768 2471.024 2470.79 2470.99 Hmm . 2470.99 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2473.504 2483.36 2473.52 2483.33 So same principle , but I w I don't know , I w I was thinking of adding some some um cita quotations of uh well known directors . 2475.49 2476.6 2483.33 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2473.545 2474.235 2473.65 2474.09 Uh-huh . 2474.09 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2479.769 2480.4 2479.91 2480.12 Yeah . 2480.12 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2484.542 2485.316 2484.57 2485.316 And uh - IB4010 B MIO036 1 2484.723 2489.328 2484.78 2489.29 I like it because it's not so dark , so the images are a bit um brighter . 2486.85 2489.29 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2489.216 2495.782 2489.25 2495.782 Yeah , but I on the contrary I would say there is too many colours and uh it's difficult to read and uh 2489.42 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2489.574 2495.591 2489.74 2495.56 I actually don't like it . It looks like two yeah . It's it looks like two separate posters . 2491.39 2493.16 2495.56 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2497.456 2504.919 2497.64 2504.81 Although I think you can mix I would keep the format of the first one , add the quotes and the content information from the second one . 2501.81 2504.81 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2497.666 2498.971 2497.75 2498.85 Yeah , yeah . 2498.58 2498.85 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2504.576 2505.776 2504.6 2505.66 Yeah . Mm-hmm . 2505.38 2505.66 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2505.696 2506.896 2505.72 2506.85 Yeah , that would be the best . 2506.01 2506.85 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2507.104 2524.32 2507.14 2524.24 So take those take those quotes , get rid of that section of text , put those quotes in there , put the the information you had in the second poster about the movie club , how to join , kind of in the middle and keep this title and everything just slightly higher up . 2509.59 2512.9 2514.87 2519.08 2520.22 2524.24 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2511.496 2512.096 2511.52 2511.93 Yeah . 2511.93 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2512.624 2512.944 2512.64 2512.91 Yeah . 2512.91 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2514.668 2515.37 2514.76 2515.13 Okay . 2515.13 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2520.135 2520.866 2520.24 2520.57 Okay . 2520.57 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2520.505 2521.241 2520.58 2520.89 Mm-hmm . 2520.89 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2524.448 2525.664 2524.55 2525.62 Okay , I see . 2525.21 2525.62 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2526.224 2535.856 2526.24 2535.82 Wh what about a brighter background , because this one , I don't know how it would show on a wall or something like this . It doesn't really catch your attention . 2528.33 2529.44 2533.92 2535.82 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2536.272 2545.736 2536.29 2545.736 I think it does . I think the contrast between the the the strip of film and or the strip of pictures and everything else is 2538.09 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2537.696 2538.453 2537.72 2538.21 And yeah . 2538.21 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2537.617 2538.346 2537.73 2538.0 'Kay . 2538.0 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2541.192 2541.664 2541.4 2541.62 Yeah . 2541.62 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2545.076 2545.632 2545.22 2545.59 Mm . 2545.59 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2546.976 2548.076 2547.0 2548.04 Yeah . Okay . 2547.58 2548.04 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2547.6 2553.872 2547.62 2553.84 Okay , I see what I wanted is more or less to know the content of the movie , uh what y you want to have on the poster . 2547.93 2551.06 2553.84 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2554.0 2554.508 2554.02 2554.37 Yeah . 2554.37 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2554.224 2557.712 2554.24 2557.66 Yeah . No , the content was very good in the second one . Th 2554.69 2554.92 2557.15 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2554.933 2556.349 2554.97 2556.349 Because we di we - IB4010 D MIO046 3 2557.872 2559.152 2557.89 2559.11 Okay , on that one . 2558.26 2559.11 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2559.776 2571.472 2559.8 2571.44 Yeah , so take all of that content throw it up into the first one , and then maybe add the quotes that you had from the from the famous directors sort of at the bottom or something . Yeah . 2560.0 2564.67 2571.15 2571.44 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2560.528 2562.71 2560.55 2562.44 Yeah , all this information is very good . 2560.79 2562.44 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2561.108 2563.888 2561.19 2563.85 Yeah , all this information and put into the first one . Mm-hmm . 2561.36 2563.53 2563.85 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2564.096 2564.545 2564.13 2564.37 Mm-hmm . 2564.37 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2568.816 2569.301 2568.92 2569.27 Okay . 2569.27 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2569.568 2571.173 2569.59 2571.04 Oh or just one of them . 2571.04 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2570.177 2573.04 2570.27 2573.0 If if they fit there if they fit there , you will see . 2572.37 2573.0 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2572.128 2572.512 2572.16 2572.44 Mm-hmm . 2572.44 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2573.392 2578.112 2573.41 2578.07 Okay , great . So I think now we have to decide for a movie . 2574.31 2575.94 2578.07 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2578.454 2579.648 2578.62 2579.648 Mm-hmm . 2579.6 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2578.656 2579.248 2578.68 2579.21 Mm-hmm . 2579.21 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2579.664 2580.544 2579.68 2580.544 And um - IB4010 B MIO036 1 2581.264 2583.328 2581.28 2583.29 Oh yeah . W 2583.11 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2581.728 2581.952 2581.75 2581.92 Yep . 2581.92 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2583.648 2584.272 2583.67 2584.272 So - IB4010 B MIO036 1 2584.528 2586.016 2584.55 2585.98 I I would suggest - IB4010 C MIO095 2 2586.359 2587.992 2586.43 2587.89 So Big Lebowski . 2587.89 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2587.456 2592.848 2587.48 2592.78 if it's not too long , maybe each of us could nominate one or two movies . We make a list and then we vote . 2588.59 2591.3 2592.78 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2592.048 2594.048 2592.07 2594.01 Mm-hmm . Okay , good idea . 2593.18 2593.55 2594.01 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2595.04 2595.728 2595.06 2595.69 What do you think ? 2595.69 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2595.84 2597.862 2595.86 2597.74 Yep . I th 2597.16 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2596.8 2600.246 2596.82 2600.13 So who wants so , Mirek , what do you nominate ? 2598.21 2598.9 2600.13 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2599.325 2607.296 2599.5 2607.24 So I'm really convinced by The Big Lebowski . I yes , yeah , I I would like to uh , yeah , at least to have it uh in the 2603.58 2604.17 2604.34 2605.52 2605.66 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2603.424 2604.847 2603.44 2604.8 You are ? Okay . 2604.32 2604.8 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2608.256 2611.663 2608.28 2611.58 In the nominees , okay . Another nominee ? 2609.37 2610.23 2611.58 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2609.048 2614.48 2609.09 2614.44 in the nominees , exactly and uh I'm trying to remember all of them . 2609.98 2614.44 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2612.262 2613.726 2612.39 2613.53 Usual Suspects . 2613.53 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2614.48 2616.964 2614.5 2616.82 Okay , Agnes , Usual Suspects . 2614.8 2615.39 2616.82 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2616.464 2624.069 2616.49 2624.02 Mainly because only two of us have seen it and it's not a mainstream movie , so I don't think a lot of people would have seen it to begin with . 2620.63 2624.02 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2619.584 2620.208 2619.63 2620.05 Mm-hmm . 2620.05 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2624.592 2633.36 2624.61 2633.33 Yeah . Well you can nominate one or two , so that we or whatever . Um I would nominate , well okay , my candidate , Saving Private Ryan . 2625.39 2627.07 2629.36 2630.98 2631.28 2632.05 2633.33 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2636.656 2642.942 2636.68 2642.85 And uh I'm happy with your nominations too . Uh I would nominate also Pulp Fiction , because it's a very good movie . 2639.74 2641.49 2642.85 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2646.688 2651.579 2646.72 2651.579 Um Denis , so your yours is already nominated , but you want 2648.29 2650.74 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2647.806 2649.328 2647.83 2649.29 I would nominate uh - IB4010 D MIO046 3 2651.28 2652.496 2651.3 2652.44 American Beauty as well . 2652.44 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2652.704 2653.19 2652.72 2653.09 Yeah . 2653.09 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2652.645 2653.232 2652.95 2653.19 Mm-hmm . 2653.19 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2654.096 2655.184 2654.12 2655.15 And um - IB4010 D MIO046 3 2658.656 2662.988 2658.68 2662.988 and I would be okay with Saving Private Ryan , it's it's it can 2661.5 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2662.416 2664.512 2662.44 2664.46 Okay , so it's already on the list . 2662.67 2664.46 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2662.524 2664.415 2663.03 2664.28 Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . 2663.99 2664.28 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2665.568 2672.613 2665.65 2672.613 And then I'm still hesitating between the Schindler's List and the S uh Silence of the Lambs . 2672.47 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2672.064 2672.704 2672.1 2672.6 Mm-hmm . 2672.6 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2673.28 2679.088 2673.3 2679.05 May I nominate uh these all these three movies , Big Lebowski , Schindler's List and the Silence of the Lambs ? 2675.99 2676.7 2679.05 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2676.496 2677.593 2676.53 2677.22 Yeah , if you want . 2676.74 2677.22 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2681.817 2682.448 2681.91 2682.4 So - IB4010 B MIO036 1 2685.28 2709.261 2685.3 2709.261 so we have uh seven candidates . Um if you have a good short term memory that should be okay . Yeah . So uh Big Lebowski , Usual Suspects , Saving Private Ryan , Pulp Fiction , American Beauty , Schindler's List and Silence of the Lambs . So now let's vote . Should we vote just for one film or should each of us say give 2689.11 2693.79 2695.41 2696.81 2697.74 2698.85 2699.6 2700.5 2703.28 2704.57 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2689.009 2689.692 2689.1 2689.51 Mm-hmm . 2689.51 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2690.673 2695.392 2690.673 2695.392 So you reduced that by what , two ? 2692.95 2695.11 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2708.388 2711.569 2708.63 2711.47 So eliminate first eliminate first ? Mm-hmm . 2711.2 2711.47 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2709.33 2714.241 2709.52 2714.06 Or we can eliminate first one one movie each , and then we s and then we select . 2712.37 2714.06 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2713.888 2721.856 2713.95 2721.73 I'm sorry , could you go t uh uh uh once again through uh the list of the movies , because I don't or i is it possible to put them on the on the on the uh whiteboard ? 2714.43 2717.31 2721.73 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2714.71 2715.276 2714.83 2715.24 Okay . 2715.24 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2716.959 2719.248 2717.13 2719.248 So Big Lebowski - IB4010 B MIO036 1 2720.526 2721.104 2720.58 2721.04 Alright . 2721.04 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2723.648 2725.328 2723.67 2725.28 Uh you can write on your paper maybe . 2725.28 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2724.266 2730.448 2724.35 2730.4 Okay , okay , so the Schindler's list , The Usual Suspects , uh Silence of the Lambs , uh Big Lebowski , okay . 2724.66 2724.86 2726.24 2727.06 2728.16 2729.96 2730.4 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2730.0 2732.428 2730.06 2732.428 American Beauty and - IB4010 B MIO036 1 2731.408 2732.944 2731.43 2732.89 And Saving Private Ryan . 2732.89 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2735.136 2735.568 2735.16 2735.52 Okay . 2735.52 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2736.416 2737.584 2736.44 2737.54 Saving Private Ryan . 2737.54 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2738.272 2738.667 2738.29 2738.667 So - IB4010 A FIE038 0 2738.241 2743.056 2738.36 2742.87 Wait I'm missing one . What am I missing , Pulp Fiction ? Was that one of them ? Okay . 2739.24 2739.91 2741.32 2742.31 2742.87 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2739.408 2740.433 2739.55 2740.36 One , two . 2739.91 2740.36 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2741.316 2746.304 2741.51 2746.2 Yeah , Pulp Fiction , yeah . Okay , so each of us chooses one to eliminate . 2741.78 2742.38 2743.51 2744.0 2746.2 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2742.253 2743.728 2742.4 2743.55 Pulp Fiction , okay . 2743.12 2743.55 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2743.28 2743.712 2743.3 2743.68 Okay . 2743.68 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2746.448 2749.44 2746.448 2749.4 I have seven . 2749.4 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2746.362 2752.368 2746.6 2752.33 I have six I have six . How many ? Okay , we American Beauty . 2748.76 2750.16 2750.46 2752.33 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2746.64 2751.344 2746.66 2751.07 Yeah . That's a bit cruel , but uh that's I think a good way . 2747.62 2748.56 2751.07 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2751.36 2752.928 2751.38 2752.6 Okay . Denis ? 2752.31 2752.6 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2752.848 2756.592 2752.87 2756.53 Me , I would remove Silence of the Lambs because I think it's too violent . 2753.07 2756.53 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2756.752 2761.184 2756.77 2761.08 Okay . I will just remove it this way . Um um 2757.61 2759.52 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2764.8 2767.856 2764.82 2767.82 I would remove Schindler's List because it's too sad . 2767.82 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2767.904 2768.535 2767.95 2768.45 Okay . 2768.45 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2768.087 2768.735 2768.22 2768.5 Okay . 2768.5 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2769.776 2773.824 2769.8 2773.824 Well , it's not very good reason , but 2770.05 2771.16 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2773.824 2774.576 2773.84 2774.54 Pulp Fiction . 2774.54 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2775.344 2776.176 2775.37 2776.13 Oh , too bad . 2775.72 2776.13 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2776.128 2777.617 2776.15 2777.617 Yeah , and I would eliminate 2776.36 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2776.736 2780.448 2776.76 2780.41 And you have a reason for it or Okay . 2780.41 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2778.272 2781.952 2778.29 2781.85 I'm not a huge fan of Quentin Tarantino . And it didn't make a good impression . 2780.59 2781.85 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2779.425 2783.81 2780.07 2783.81 Yeah . And I would eliminate Pulp Fiction actually as well if so 2780.52 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2783.568 2791.584 2783.6 2791.584 Maybe you can eliminate another one , you can no ? 2785.09 2791.06 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2785.184 2789.6 2785.2 2789.44 Another one . Because it because it would be Saving Private Ryan . 2786.13 2789.44 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2785.328 2797.072 2785.35 2797.04 No , no . Well I mean leave someth okay , so we're left with The Big Lebowski , Usual Suspects , Saving Private Ryan and American Beauty . 2785.64 2787.3 2791.82 2793.76 2794.91 2797.04 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2786.654 2790.96 2786.654 2790.76 Really eliminate Pulp Fiction . It's gone . 2789.31 2790.76 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2798.096 2801.264 2798.12 2801.23 Okay , so let's vote just simply for one , for the moment . 2798.42 2800.55 2801.23 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2802.928 2803.434 2802.96 2803.16 Mm . 2803.16 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2802.885 2807.84 2803.02 2807.84 So I would vote for American Beauty , because I haven't seen it . 2805.52 2807.47 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2807.808 2809.264 2807.99 2809.21 I vote for Big Lebowski . 2809.21 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2807.702 2808.943 2808.0 2808.9 W - IB4010 A FIE038 0 2810.112 2812.944 2810.16 2812.91 We're all gonna vote for something different . 2812.91 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2810.992 2816.992 2810.992 2816.94 Um so Mirek , Big Lebowski . Agnes , Denis ? 2814.5 2816.1 2816.5 2816.94 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2817.76 2821.957 2817.78 2821.957 Agnes , you v 2818.2 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2818.176 2821.952 2818.2 2821.91 I I still like The Usual Suspects , but I like American Beauty too . 2820.46 2821.91 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2823.728 2824.144 2823.75 2824.11 So . 2824.11 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2825.504 2827.68 2825.504 2827.68 Uh - IB4010 D MIO046 3 2827.033 2827.671 2827.12 2827.58 O - IB4010 C MIO095 2 2827.952 2829.376 2827.97 2829.376 Make a decision . 2829.17 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2830.55 2831.719 2830.57 2831.57 Usual Suspects . 2831.57 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2836.736 2840.5 2836.736 2840.33 yeah , you can choose . 2839.68 2840.33 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2837.456 2842.688 2837.48 2842.65 Okay , now I have the if we want okay , if we want to take a okay . 2837.74 2840.83 2842.65 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2839.582 2841.08 2839.68 2840.94 You have the deciding vote . 2840.94 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2841.114 2843.328 2841.24 2843.29 Y you're the president maybe after all uh . 2843.29 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2843.728 2844.032 2843.75 2843.95 Yeah . 2843.95 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2843.856 2847.808 2843.88 2847.76 Okay , so I'll go with The Big Lebowski , since the posters are already ready . 2844.11 2845.76 2847.76 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2847.76 2850.256 2847.78 2850.256 Already ready yeah . 2849.54 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2848.862 2853.2 2848.862 2853.12 Okay . Yeah , I think I'm quite fine . 2850.92 2851.25 2853.12 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2852.382 2853.232 2852.56 2853.13 That's fine . 2853.13 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2853.376 2853.872 2853.4 2853.872 So - IB4010 A FIE038 0 2854.192 2857.322 2854.22 2857.23 It'll make a good change from the other ones . 2857.23 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2854.848 2860.448 2854.87 2860.39 Is it a b yeah , I think at least it's funny and uh that's nice . Okay . 2856.45 2860.08 2860.39 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2855.856 2856.875 2855.88 2856.49 Yeah , I think . 2856.12 2856.49 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2861.808 2862.288 2861.83 2862.22 So . 2862.22 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2863.28 2864.007 2863.31 2863.7 Okay . 2863.7 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2863.278 2864.262 2863.35 2864.12 Decision . 2864.12 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2863.178 2864.816 2863.38 2864.75 So it's gonna to be Big Lebowski ? 2864.75 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2866.288 2866.8 2866.31 2866.77 Mm-hmm . 2866.77 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2867.536 2868.16 2867.56 2867.89 Okay . 2867.89 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2869.136 2872.816 2869.16 2872.816 That's your fault , Mirek . 2869.89 2872.55 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2870.557 2874.508 2870.557 2874.508 If you don't like it it's your problem . 2873.62 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2873.479 2875.692 2873.58 2875.47 No no no no no , I I like it , I like it . 2874.31 2874.99 2875.47 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2874.224 2879.54 2874.24 2879.46 No , no , no , I mean yeah , it's you voted for it . But I'm quite happy with it , I haven't seen it . 2874.4 2874.51 2874.71 2875.7 2877.12 2878.76 2879.46 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2875.986 2882.24 2876.58 2882.2 So we have other anyway . So can we decide for uh a next meeting maybe ? 2878.84 2882.2 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2878.741 2879.2 2878.91 2879.14 Yeah . 2879.14 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2883.136 2887.152 2883.16 2887.152 Well , beginning of May I guess , to choose the film for May . Is that 2883.31 2884.65 2886.6 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2886.24 2886.56 2886.26 2886.53 Yeah . 2886.53 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2886.496 2887.068 2886.52 2886.86 Okay . 2886.86 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2889.04 2892.16 2889.06 2892.13 Okay , beginning of May , but there are there is plenty of holidays at the beginning of May , no ? 2889.27 2889.87 2891.88 2892.13 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2892.832 2898.016 2892.85 2897.98 Yeah , the fifth is um Ascension . What's that , going up to the sky ? 2893.05 2895.58 2897.01 2897.98 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2896.032 2896.608 2896.08 2896.56 Ascension ? 2896.56 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2897.408 2898.081 2897.46 2898.05 Ascension . 2898.05 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2898.208 2903.551 2898.23 2903.26 Okay , o or we'll decide after the projection of the movie the date . It's okay . 2898.53 2902.72 2903.26 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2902.509 2907.472 2902.64 2907.43 Yeah , we can do it like the Tuesday before the Ascensions and that's May third . 2902.9 2907.43 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2907.76 2909.728 2907.78 2909.69 Mm-hmm . Okay , okay , no problem . 2908.41 2908.82 2909.17 2909.69 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2908.313 2909.778 2908.38 2909.66 Okay okay . 2909.66 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2908.36 2909.095 2908.53 2908.96 Mm 'kay . 2908.96 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2916.557 2920.912 2916.97 2920.88 So yeah . So thanks for the posters actually , Denis , they are very nice . 2917.96 2919.5 2919.8 2920.88 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2917.809 2918.463 2917.83 2918.3 Good . 2918.3 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2920.08 2920.952 2920.17 2920.87 You're welcome . 2920.87 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2923.84 2925.737 2923.86 2925.62 Okay . Thank you . 2925.17 2925.62 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2924.4 2924.866 2924.49 2924.67 Okay . 2924.67 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2925.125 2926.302 2925.36 2926.302 Okay . 2926.15 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2926.656 2928.688 2926.75 2928.23 And uh see you at the projection ? 2928.23 IB4010 B MIO036 1 2927.776 2933.2 2927.85 2933.17 See you on what , April twenty sixth , or what's the mm twenty ninth . Okay . 2928.74 2929.9 2932.77 2933.17 IB4010 A FIE038 0 2930.336 2933.216 2930.44 2933.17 Ninth , ninth ? Yeah , twenty ninth . 2931.24 2932.16 2932.54 2933.17 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2930.624 2932.037 2930.66 2931.87 No , twenty ninth . 2931.05 2931.87 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2931.984 2932.624 2932.0 2932.58 Twenty nine . 2932.58 IB4010 D MIO046 3 2933.152 2933.584 2933.18 2933.53 Okay . 2933.53 IB4010 C MIO095 2 2933.68 2938.256 2933.72 2938.256 Really looking forward . I want to see it . 2935.55 2937.86 IB4011 B MIO036 1 30.384 33.6 30.41 33.46 It's just that I need uh some some white paper . 33.46 IB4011 A FIE038 0 34.336 35.632 34.49 35.6 Are you gonna take the minutes ? 35.6 IB4011 B MIO036 1 35.872 36.432 35.89 36.4 Uh yes . 36.4 IB4011 D MIO046 3 36.182 39.008 36.182 39.008 Yep . Um 38.0 IB4011 A FIE038 0 36.618 37.04 36.7 36.9 Good . 36.9 IB4011 D MIO046 3 41.488 49.248 41.51 49.248 So hello everybody . So uh you everybody had the a agenda for today , you received it or 44.59 48.2 IB4011 A FIE038 0 43.516 44.251 43.64 44.13 Hello . 44.13 IB4011 C MIO095 2 44.505 45.184 44.77 45.06 Hello . 45.06 IB4011 B MIO036 1 45.313 46.805 45.46 46.45 Um , hello ? 46.19 46.45 IB4011 A FIE038 0 48.464 52.736 48.48 52.33 Um I don't , do you have an extra copy ? Thanks . 49.8 51.54 52.33 IB4011 D MIO046 3 50.866 51.392 51.07 51.23 Yep . 51.23 IB4011 D MIO046 3 52.256 75.563 53.66 75.49 So the goal for today is to decide for a movie to project at the end of the month , so for this month of of April , and also discuss the content for an adver advertising posters and um I I will present you three des different design , we'll discuss it . So first we have to decide for um a movie . 59.15 61.39 71.62 72.47 75.49 IB4011 C MIO095 2 66.421 67.052 66.68 66.83 Mm-hmm . 66.83 IB4011 A FIE038 0 72.338 73.187 72.59 73.05 Okay . 73.05 IB4011 D MIO046 3 76.32 79.44 76.34 79.4 So I think we all prepared documents . 79.4 IB4011 A FIE038 0 79.856 80.16 79.92 80.01 Mm-hmm . 80.01 IB4011 C MIO095 2 80.001 80.352 80.11 80.29 Mm-hmm . 80.29 IB4011 B MIO036 1 80.288 81.04 80.31 81.01 Yes , I did . 80.66 81.01 IB4011 D MIO046 3 81.36 85.68 81.38 85.62 So I propose that we start with uh presentation Agnes uh sent . 85.62 IB4011 A FIE038 0 84.861 85.579 84.98 85.49 Sure . 85.49 IB4011 A FIE038 0 90.542 131.212 90.542 130.94 Okay , so the previous movies that we've done this year were Lawrence of Arabia , Apop Apocalypse Now and Amadeus , which were all historical , serious , dramatic and somewhat actiony movies . So for this month I propose doing something different , preferably something set in the present , um something maybe dramatic but slightly less serious . So what I'd propose is actually a thriller or a mystery . And while these days people are so jaded by general movies that they tend not to be surprised by the endings in mysteries , some movies in the nineties did actually have twists that people came out saying , never saw that coming , I didn't know that that was gonna happen . 91.53 95.16 98.41 99.64 100.23 103.32 105.35 107.9 113.04 116.11 122.76 128.07 129.19 130.94 IB4011 A FIE038 0 131.212 176.017 131.72 175.72 And so what I'm gonna do is present you two of those movies , and before anyone says that , well , if you know th how the movie ends , you're not gonna wanna see it again , that's not necessarily the case , because a lot of people like to re-watch movies um to see where the clues were , what they missed , things they didn't pay attention to the first time around . Um so if you can go to the next slide . What I'd propose is either The Usual Suspects or The Sixth Sense . Um The Usual Suspects is slightly less mainstream . Um is has a fairly large cast , notably Kevin Spacey , Gabriel Byrne , um and it was directed by Bryan Singer , it's one of his earlier movies I think . It was written by Quist Christopher McQuarrie . 134.5 135.94 136.13 137.44 139.09 140.67 145.56 146.63 149.72 152.97 157.4 162.22 164.69 166.14 167.71 171.1 173.48 175.72 IB4011 B MIO036 1 153.197 153.867 153.42 153.52 Mm . 153.52 IB4011 A FIE038 0 176.017 207.792 176.57 207.75 Um and according to Rolling Stone it's the freshest , funniest and scariest crime thril thriller to come along since Pulp Fiction . Uh The Sixth Sense on the other hand is a more commercial movie with its famous line , I see dead people . Um it was written and directed by M_ Night uh Shyamalan and stars Bruce Willis , Haley Joel Osment and Toni Collette , and it's about a little boy who sees dead people and i he sees a child psychologist to try to get him to understand why he sees the dead people , what it means . 179.68 184.41 190.09 191.61 196.48 199.12 207.0 207.75 IB4011 B MIO036 1 184.44 184.99 184.46 184.89 Ah . 184.89 IB4011 C MIO095 2 207.981 208.469 208.09 208.42 Hmm . 208.42 IB4011 D MIO046 3 208.078 210.112 208.18 210.08 And actually the psychologist is dead . 210.08 IB4011 A FIE038 0 210.752 216.496 210.77 216.496 Now that you've given away the twist , yes . Um 212.09 215.93 IB4011 B MIO036 1 213.066 215.451 213.28 215.451 No , but we're the clubbers , but 213.49 214.93 IB4011 B MIO036 1 216.416 237.364 216.44 237.31 Agnes , uh I was just wondering , uh I see uh I have here Denis's table , and when they say that it's the freshest whatever since Pulp Fiction , well that's probably not a very long time , because Pulp Fiction is ninety four and Usual Suspects is ninety five . Okay . Yeah . 216.79 218.33 220.99 225.81 227.52 234.41 236.82 237.31 IB4011 A FIE038 0 218.225 219.222 218.35 218.79 Yeah . 218.79 IB4011 D MIO046 3 220.97 221.779 221.25 221.69 Yep . 221.69 IB4011 D MIO046 3 229.751 230.419 229.94 230.23 Mm . 230.23 IB4011 A FIE038 0 233.148 281.053 233.148 280.72 Send your complaints to Rolling Stone . So on the next couple of slides I'll just go through some of um more detailed stuff that we might need for administrative purposes . Um the length for The Usual Suspects um is a hundred and five minutes . Uh as you can s well , as Andrei already said , it's n nineteen ninety five . It has an R_ rating , which means that at least in the in North America it was not recommended for people under eighteen , 'cause it's fairly violent , but not so violent as other movies . Um plot outline uh five villains in New York are rounded up by the police in an unconventional manner that worries them . After release they get together for a spot of revenge , but someone else is controlling events . And the big mystery of the movie is who's controlling the events . 238.17 245.13 250.47 251.78 252.74 254.86 255.86 261.89 263.82 266.13 273.67 275.9 278.12 280.72 IB4011 A FIE038 0 281.053 312.368 281.41 312.33 Um it got an eight point seven out of ten user rating on the Internet Movie Database , it's sixteenth in the top two hundred and fifty movies of all time , forth in Denis's list of the top movies of the nineteen nineties , which I think was also taken from I_M_D_B_ . Um it won several Academy Awards , including best supporting actor and best writing , um best film for the British equivalent of the Academy Awards , it was nominated for a Cesar for best foreign film . So it got a fair bit of recognition despite not being 286.04 289.67 293.18 296.09 299.52 302.3 305.55 309.37 IB4011 D MIO046 3 295.065 295.444 295.18 295.37 Yep . 295.37 IB4011 B MIO036 1 295.776 296.128 295.8 296.09 Mm-hmm . 296.09 IB4011 B MIO036 1 310.38 310.876 310.49 310.79 Mm-hmm . 310.79 IB4011 A FIE038 0 313.456 319.392 313.48 319.36 um a very mainstream , high budget movie , or maybe because it wasn't a mainstream , high budget movie . 315.86 316.85 318.52 319.36 IB4011 D MIO046 3 319.824 323.488 319.84 323.4 So wha what will be your argument for projecting this movie ? 323.4 IB4011 A FIE038 0 324.16 327.392 324.18 327.392 I don't think a lot of people have seen it , in fact , other than 326.08 326.75 IB4011 C MIO095 2 328.912 330.005 328.93 329.7 I haven't see it . 329.7 IB4011 A FIE038 0 328.984 331.92 328.984 331.89 you haven't seen it , you haven't seen it , you've seen it . 330.53 331.35 331.89 IB4011 B MIO036 1 330.016 331.258 330.04 331.17 I haven't seen it . 331.17 IB4011 D MIO046 3 331.968 332.304 331.99 332.27 Yep . 332.27 IB4011 A FIE038 0 332.944 339.205 332.98 339.1 And don't think a lot of people have seen it , it's not a very very well known movie . What ? 334.47 338.76 339.1 IB4011 D MIO046 3 339.76 341.6 339.78 341.57 It's very well known . Yeah . 341.32 341.57 IB4011 A FIE038 0 340.912 341.328 340.93 341.22 Is it ? 341.22 IB4011 C MIO095 2 341.769 343.141 341.769 343.141 it's a - IB4011 B MIO036 1 342.582 343.152 342.71 343.07 Really ? 343.07 IB4011 D MIO046 3 343.552 346.896 343.6 346.86 I think , yeah . It's one of the most well known thriller . 344.08 344.44 346.86 IB4011 A FIE038 0 343.535 343.981 343.62 343.87 See ? 343.87 IB4011 D MIO046 3 347.353 348.047 347.353 347.353 . 347.353 IB4011 A FIE038 0 347.424 347.864 347.44 347.83 Really ? 347.83 IB4011 A FIE038 0 348.864 351.932 348.88 351.932 That surprises me , I always got the impression that it was 349.61 IB4011 B MIO036 1 349.038 349.602 349.18 349.52 Oh . 349.52 IB4011 B MIO036 1 350.429 356.054 350.63 356.054 It's it's hard to tell . So that's your impression . Yeah . That's mine , but uh 351.78 353.35 354.02 355.25 IB4011 D MIO046 3 350.826 351.347 351.09 351.31 Yeah . 351.31 IB4011 D MIO046 3 352.944 360.684 352.96 360.5 That's my impression , yeah . But it's it's rated four fourth in uh in the list and one hundred one hundred thousand 353.84 354.32 IB4011 A FIE038 0 356.368 359.182 356.54 358.84 Yeah . Well , it's a good movie . 357.82 357.94 358.84 IB4011 B MIO036 1 357.824 361.584 358.08 361.42 Yeah . How many people voted for it , yeah ? That's true . 358.9 360.39 360.92 361.42 IB4011 D MIO046 3 361.192 361.888 361.39 361.84 seen it . 361.84 IB4011 C MIO095 2 361.872 366.192 361.89 366.16 One hundred thousand . One hundred and two . For for voted for it , yeah . 363.73 364.61 365.95 366.16 IB4011 A FIE038 0 361.768 362.475 361.97 362.33 Yeah . 362.33 IB4011 D MIO046 3 363.6 364.579 363.75 364.45 Voted for it . 364.45 IB4011 D MIO046 3 366.24 373.12 366.26 373.09 Voted for it , and I think only two other mov uh no , f three other movies uh have uh have more votes . 366.91 369.43 373.09 IB4011 C MIO095 2 373.152 375.536 373.17 375.5 More votes ? Yeah , it's it seems to be quite popular . 373.58 373.73 375.5 IB4011 A FIE038 0 373.968 374.336 374.09 374.3 Yeah . 374.3 IB4011 A FIE038 0 376.429 380.124 376.6 379.99 So but I think the main thing is it's got a good twist at the end and - IB4011 C MIO095 2 379.856 380.592 379.88 380.55 Mm-hmm mm-hmm . 380.55 IB4011 A FIE038 0 381.232 383.808 381.25 383.77 it's it's an interesting movie to watch . 383.77 IB4011 B MIO036 1 384.208 384.592 384.39 384.51 Mm-hmm . 384.51 IB4011 C MIO095 2 384.72 385.184 384.75 385.14 Okay . 385.14 IB4011 A FIE038 0 385.488 400.669 385.51 400.54 Um so if you go to the next slide . More or less the same thing for The Sixth Sense . It's slightly newer , nineteen ninety nine , more or less the same amount of time . It has a lower rating , 'cause it's less violent , but it depends what audience we are gonna have at the showings . 387.72 389.88 390.93 392.39 393.87 394.81 396.89 400.54 IB4011 B MIO036 1 396.987 397.758 397.31 397.7 Yeah . 397.7 IB4011 B MIO036 1 399.523 403.392 399.64 403.392 Isn't violent at all in fact , or it's more like scary or 401.66 IB4011 A FIE038 0 401.672 409.504 401.93 409.24 It has it's scary and I think it has some sort of slight violence , but . 408.59 409.24 IB4011 B MIO036 1 404.384 404.704 404.4 404.67 Uh-huh . 404.67 IB4011 D MIO046 3 409.648 414.544 409.67 414.544 But the kid is seeing dead people , I mean is uh it's quite uh 411.7 IB4011 A FIE038 0 412.56 415.965 412.58 415.93 Yeah , but they're not violently dead . 412.9 415.93 IB4011 D MIO046 3 415.12 419.437 415.14 419.39 No , but it's quite uh morbid you can say that ? Yeah , morbid . 415.29 418.51 418.92 419.39 IB4011 B MIO036 1 416.701 420.849 416.9 420.849 Scary or yeah , mm-hmm . Creepy or 419.1 419.83 IB4011 A FIE038 0 416.969 436.96 417.19 436.93 It's it's morbid and it's creepy , but it's not violent as in people being sliced in half or anything like that . Um um it's nineteenth in the top movies of the nineties , hundred first in the top two hundred fifty , it was nominated for a lot of awards , it didn't win 418.92 424.14 430.89 433.05 435.96 IB4011 D MIO046 3 422.082 422.639 422.23 422.47 Yeah . 422.47 IB4011 C MIO095 2 422.736 423.072 422.76 423.02 Mm-hmm . 423.02 IB4011 A FIE038 0 438.064 451.648 438.08 451.648 as many . Might have won more sort of minor awards , but at least the Academy Awards , it was nominated for five of them , um but didn't win . Nevertheless still a good movie , still a good twist at the end , which Denis already gave away . 439.05 441.2 442.93 444.63 446.34 447.48 448.57 451.12 IB4011 B MIO036 1 438.076 438.7 438.16 438.6 Mm-hmm . 438.6 IB4011 D MIO046 3 450.009 452.384 450.009 452.35 They don't remember . 452.35 IB4011 C MIO095 2 450.463 451.117 450.6 451.02 Mm-hmm . 451.02 IB4011 A FIE038 0 452.688 456.558 452.688 456.48 Good . Um so those would be my two choices . 454.13 456.48 IB4011 B MIO036 1 455.045 456.114 455.09 456.0 Have you seen it ? 456.0 IB4011 D MIO046 3 456.24 456.544 456.27 456.48 Yep . 456.48 IB4011 B MIO036 1 457.749 458.192 457.8 458.1 Okay . 458.1 IB4011 D MIO046 3 460.56 463.888 460.59 463.888 So what was you criteria for selecting this movie or - IB4011 A FIE038 0 464.016 477.071 464.04 476.8 Let it's a sort of different style from the other movies we've seen , and they have a twist , so it's not your general movie where you just kind of sit through it and go , oh okay , get up and leave . It's at least out of those two movies I came out thinking , oh cool , okay . 467.21 468.11 470.44 470.97 472.42 475.95 476.45 476.8 IB4011 D MIO046 3 474.653 478.576 475.0 478.53 But then it's only at the at the end that it it becomes a good movie . 478.53 IB4011 B MIO036 1 475.294 476.134 475.62 475.96 Mm-hmm . 475.96 IB4011 A FIE038 0 478.768 479.872 478.79 479.84 Yeah , but 479.64 IB4011 A FIE038 0 481.104 483.248 481.12 483.09 I mean that's a good thing , right ? 482.88 483.09 IB4011 D MIO046 3 482.576 484.384 482.6 484.28 Only because of the of the end . 484.28 IB4011 B MIO036 1 482.987 483.61 483.12 483.55 Okay . 483.55 IB4011 D MIO046 3 485.776 489.888 485.8 489.85 I I've heard some people in the in the theatre saying , oh now we have to see it again . 488.46 489.85 IB4011 A FIE038 0 486.144 486.902 486.16 486.67 Yes . 486.67 IB4011 A FIE038 0 490.32 490.688 490.34 490.65 Yeah . 490.65 IB4011 B MIO036 1 491.312 491.552 491.34 491.5 Ah . 491.5 IB4011 A FIE038 0 491.968 497.744 491.99 497.744 Which is a good marketing ploy , if you think about it . 493.05 497.25 IB4011 D MIO046 3 493.424 498.991 493.46 498.94 But then if you asked them five minutes ago okay . 498.94 IB4011 B MIO036 1 494.479 496.238 494.78 496.11 If we show it twice . 496.11 IB4011 B MIO036 1 498.8 504.451 498.82 504.34 Okay . So is Bruce Willis the child psychologist ? Ah . Great . 499.13 501.87 503.53 504.34 IB4011 A FIE038 0 501.037 507.24 501.29 507.19 Yeah , Bruce Willis is and the kid is really good , who plays the the main character . 501.73 505.49 507.19 IB4011 C MIO095 2 501.733 503.627 501.733 503.627 . 713.34 IB4011 D MIO046 3 502.903 503.4 503.08 503.2 Yeah . 503.2 IB4011 B MIO036 1 504.96 505.392 504.98 505.34 Mm-hmm . 505.34 IB4011 B MIO036 1 506.992 512.176 507.01 512.13 Yeah . It's the guy who then played in uh Artificial Intelligence or something like this , mm-hmm . 507.64 511.88 512.13 IB4011 A FIE038 0 510.736 511.616 510.76 511.58 Yeah , yeah . 511.37 511.58 IB4011 B MIO036 1 514.146 515.066 514.146 514.89 Great . 514.89 IB4011 A FIE038 0 514.592 516.077 514.61 516.077 Same guy . 515.67 IB4011 D MIO046 3 515.536 520.886 516.13 520.85 Okay , so uh I think , Mirek , you prepared a presentation also . We can have a look . 516.55 517.72 518.07 519.57 520.85 IB4011 C MIO095 2 519.335 519.888 519.47 519.83 Yeah . 519.83 IB4011 C MIO095 2 521.088 536.816 521.11 536.78 So my presentation is not that detailed , I just uh put there seven uh highly uh ranked movies , and we can just try to g uh go very quickly through all of them , just to re remind you them , and then we can perhaps consider another p uh potential candidates . 523.08 527.31 531.15 532.63 536.78 IB4011 D MIO046 3 537.406 539.824 537.57 539.64 Sorry , it's control L_ 538.52 IB4011 C MIO095 2 544.208 570.992 544.23 570.96 Okay , so the movies that I have selected as as very good uh good ranked movies uh are uh uh are on the screen so uh Shaw The Shawshank Redemption , Schindler's List , Usual Suspects , Pulp Fiction , Goodfellas , Silence of the Lambs and American Beauty . Uh so perhaps we can go to the to the f to the first movie . Uh The Shawshank Redempt uh Redemption um actually I didn't see that movie , so is there someone else who have seen this movie ? 544.47 552.68 553.44 554.26 554.83 555.33 558.04 561.97 568.71 570.96 IB4011 B MIO036 1 544.393 545.208 544.71 544.92 Mm . 544.92 IB4011 A FIE038 0 571.872 572.618 571.89 572.51 No . 572.51 IB4011 B MIO036 1 571.82 573.408 572.07 573.37 Uh me neither . 573.37 IB4011 A FIE038 0 574.112 576.66 574.13 576.66 I've heard a lot of really good things about it , but 576.05 IB4011 C MIO095 2 574.004 575.273 574.15 575.21 Okay . 575.21 IB4011 B MIO036 1 574.176 575.038 574.35 574.56 I thi - IB4011 D MIO046 3 575.888 580.217 575.93 580.11 I have s I have seen it , but I don't remember it . Which is not good . 577.24 578.89 580.11 IB4011 B MIO036 1 577.195 581.888 577.48 581.83 So uh I was told that in French it was called uh Les Evadees . 581.83 IB4011 C MIO095 2 578.378 579.607 578.378 579.47 mm-hmm . 579.47 IB4011 C MIO095 2 582.112 582.496 582.13 582.46 Mm-hmm . 582.46 IB4011 C MIO095 2 583.984 606.537 584.0 606.44 Okay , the plot outline says that the life of Andy uh Dufresne Duf okay , of Andy , changes when he uh he's uh convicted and jailed for the murder of his wife , and the user comment says it's simply amazing , the best uh film of the nineties . So that's uh what it says , okay , we can't tell much more , because basically none of us have seen it . 584.21 590.35 590.95 595.38 597.61 600.31 602.6 602.87 603.76 606.44 IB4011 D MIO046 3 588.493 588.768 588.493 588.768 . 588.768 IB4011 B MIO036 1 590.026 590.799 590.22 590.56 Yeah . 590.56 IB4011 B MIO036 1 605.76 607.911 605.78 607.82 Should we should we believe this ? 607.82 IB4011 D MIO046 3 606.544 608.224 606.66 608.17 But the rating is very good then . 608.17 IB4011 C MIO095 2 608.192 638.784 608.22 638.75 Mm-hmm , yeah . So the second one is a Schindler's list , it's more serious movie , it's from the St uh Steven Spielberg and it's about the Second War uh Sec Second World War . Uh the plot outline is that the Oskar Schindler uh uses Jews to uh start a factory in Poland during the war , and he witnesses the uh horrors uh endured by the Jews and starts to save them . User comment says , a film for all to see and learn , and I think it's really something what is very serious uh theme and uh yeah . 608.87 610.46 612.03 613.24 618.92 624.84 630.08 631.2 634.04 638.75 IB4011 A FIE038 0 609.19 609.687 609.29 609.64 Mm-hmm . 609.64 IB4011 C MIO095 2 639.784 652.368 639.84 652.33 So that's a Schindler's List , um we can perhaps do you have some comments ? I I have seen it . I think it's really good movie , it's uh it's quite long actually , I can't uh here I didn't put the the minutes , but I think it's it's at least about three hours . 640.88 643.06 643.96 645.2 646.91 650.01 652.33 IB4011 A FIE038 0 649.04 651.516 649.06 651.33 Yeah , I think it's about three hours long , something like that . 649.25 650.65 651.33 IB4011 A FIE038 0 652.336 655.12 652.36 655.12 And it's a heavy movie , I it's emotional , it's 653.29 654.34 IB4011 B MIO036 1 653.472 654.218 653.5 653.98 Mm-hmm . 653.98 IB4011 C MIO095 2 656.72 657.04 656.74 657.01 Yeah . 657.01 IB4011 D MIO046 3 656.746 659.84 656.77 659.81 It you know if it's to uh if it received some award ? 659.81 IB4011 C MIO095 2 660.192 662.429 660.192 662.38 No , I don't know , I don't know , unfortunately . 660.7 661.07 661.67 662.38 IB4011 D MIO046 3 660.36 660.98 660.49 660.98 Or - IB4011 D MIO046 3 661.648 664.4 661.67 664.4 Probably no ? Yeah , I think also but uh 662.92 663.18 IB4011 A FIE038 0 661.711 662.928 661.92 662.8 I think it did . 662.8 IB4011 A FIE038 0 665.066 667.344 665.16 667.31 Either for director if not for best picture . 667.31 IB4011 B MIO036 1 667.312 670.128 667.34 670.09 Yeah , maybe even best picture , yeah . Mm-hmm . 667.95 669.19 669.72 670.09 IB4011 C MIO095 2 668.4 672.434 668.42 672.434 But I would expect it . I would expect it . Okay , so if you can go to the 669.49 671.07 671.35 IB4011 D MIO046 3 669.309 670.264 669.69 670.19 Yeah yeah . 670.19 IB4011 B MIO036 1 672.272 677.732 672.4 677.732 But yeah , indeed , it's maybe too sad and too , yeah , too poignant for 672.78 673.05 676.13 676.4 IB4011 D MIO046 3 676.384 679.856 676.64 679.66 Well , it's a true story also , uh so . 676.88 678.37 679.66 IB4011 C MIO095 2 678.117 684.544 678.22 684.48 It's a true story , yeah . It's it's yeah , I would say that the user comment says everything , a film to see and to learn . 678.92 679.16 681.33 683.11 684.48 IB4011 A FIE038 0 678.654 679.117 678.67 679.05 Yeah . 679.05 IB4011 B MIO036 1 679.776 680.272 679.8 680.272 Well - IB4011 D MIO046 3 684.928 686.416 684.95 686.416 And to remember maybe , or 686.06 IB4011 C MIO095 2 686.128 687.52 686.15 687.48 And to remember as well , yeah . 687.29 687.48 IB4011 A FIE038 0 686.4 686.944 686.45 686.9 Mm . 686.9 IB4011 C MIO095 2 689.04 700.208 689.06 700.16 Okay , th so the third one is The Usual Suspects . So I think I I wouldn't uh I don't want to comment it again , so we can just skip that , because it was this this is the one already commented by Agnes . So let's go to the to the other one . 689.3 691.07 693.93 695.01 698.71 700.16 IB4011 C MIO095 2 701.296 718.48 701.32 718.45 Pulp Fiction . I would say that's that's like a classical movies of of nineties , uh it's uh directed by Quentin Tarantino , it's a it's a crime and drama , it's a a there i there are several s several stories that are just mixed up during the during the movie , and uh 702.33 706.97 709.48 711.42 717.41 IB4011 D MIO046 3 716.121 716.871 716.27 716.66 Yeah . 716.66 IB4011 C MIO095 2 719.808 724.794 719.85 724.794 yeah , it's a real classical movie , I would say almost nowadays . So 720.2 721.65 724.1 IB4011 B MIO036 1 724.51 725.073 724.6 724.93 Mm-hmm . 724.93 IB4011 D MIO046 3 724.311 727.063 724.61 726.84 So who has seen it ? Agnes , you've seen it ? 725.77 726.16 726.84 IB4011 A FIE038 0 726.2 727.056 726.31 727.02 Yeah , I've seen it . 726.55 727.02 IB4011 B MIO036 1 727.344 734.343 727.36 734.13 Yeah , I've seen it too . Yeah it's it's very good and it's a bit violent , but it's also quite funny I think . 727.52 728.85 732.58 734.13 IB4011 C MIO095 2 727.366 728.469 727.69 728.27 I've seen it . 728.27 IB4011 D MIO046 3 728.786 729.714 728.87 729.63 Yeah . 729.63 IB4011 C MIO095 2 728.848 730.135 729.18 729.92 So all of us . 729.92 IB4011 C MIO095 2 734.016 741.021 734.04 741.021 Sure , sure , you can see it several times , because I mean the first time you cannot catch all the details , and then i when you see it second times and third times it's 734.36 734.57 735.58 738.16 IB4011 B MIO036 1 734.759 735.829 734.85 735.829 It's a - IB4011 D MIO046 3 738.187 739.278 738.21 739.05 And it's - IB4011 B MIO036 1 740.064 740.56 740.08 740.53 Mm-hmm . 740.53 IB4011 D MIO046 3 740.672 744.204 740.7 744.204 it's the comeback from of uh John Travolta , no ? So uh 743.17 743.58 IB4011 A FIE038 0 743.604 746.424 743.78 746.31 Yeah , yeah , that was his comeback movie , yeah . 744.24 744.47 746.07 746.31 IB4011 C MIO095 2 744.242 749.407 744.27 749.27 It's big comeback , yeah , big comeback of John Travolta , yes . I would say good comeback . 745.44 745.73 747.43 748.49 749.27 IB4011 D MIO046 3 745.302 746.657 745.61 746.59 Big comeback , yeah . 746.34 746.59 IB4011 D MIO046 3 748.471 750.16 748.61 750.1 Bruce Willis is there also . 750.1 IB4011 C MIO095 2 750.432 752.832 750.45 752.8 Yes . Who is there ? Huh . 751.76 752.65 752.8 IB4011 B MIO036 1 750.784 751.184 750.8 751.12 Yeah . 751.12 IB4011 A FIE038 0 751.136 751.456 751.16 751.42 Yeah . 751.42 IB4011 D MIO046 3 751.509 752.064 751.61 752.0 Yeah . 752.0 IB4011 B MIO036 1 753.584 754.676 753.584 754.49 the boxer . 754.49 IB4011 D MIO046 3 753.856 754.656 753.88 754.656 Um - IB4011 D MIO046 3 755.984 756.336 756.02 756.29 Sorry ? 756.29 IB4011 B MIO036 1 756.793 757.136 756.87 757.09 Pardon ? 757.09 IB4011 C MIO095 2 757.344 759.28 757.36 759.24 Yeah , yeah , yeah , Bruce Willis is there as a boxer , yeah . 757.5 757.64 757.76 759.03 759.24 IB4011 B MIO036 1 758.09 759.116 758.24 758.99 Yeah , as the boxer . 758.38 758.99 IB4011 D MIO046 3 759.344 762.132 759.36 762.1 And what's the name of the girl on the poster . 762.1 IB4011 C MIO095 2 762.88 763.408 762.9 763.408 Um - IB4011 D MIO046 3 763.06 763.912 763.08 763.912 Um - IB4011 A FIE038 0 763.066 765.571 763.24 765.43 It's Uma Thurman , yeah . 764.99 765.43 IB4011 B MIO036 1 763.392 764.976 763.42 764.92 Uh Uma Thurman . 764.92 IB4011 D MIO046 3 764.338 766.207 764.55 766.11 Uma Thurman , okay . 765.63 766.11 IB4011 C MIO095 2 765.024 766.192 765.04 766.192 Yes . 766.04 IB4011 C MIO095 2 767.696 770.928 767.77 770.78 Okay , so that's Pulp Fiction , definitely should be considered uh . 767.96 768.82 770.78 IB4011 D MIO046 3 769.069 769.723 769.17 769.65 Yep . 769.65 IB4011 D MIO046 3 770.544 784.224 770.56 784.16 So on the list I I brought on the docu on my document , the two movies , Pulp Fiction and Usual Su Suspect are just swapped . Pulp Fiction is actually coming before The Usual Suspect . 775.07 776.76 780.12 784.16 IB4011 B MIO036 1 774.592 775.056 774.63 775.01 Mm-hmm . 775.01 IB4011 C MIO095 2 774.976 776.128 775.08 775.74 Mm-hmm . 775.74 IB4011 C MIO095 2 781.093 782.532 781.39 782.35 Wow , that's interesting . 781.59 782.35 IB4011 C MIO095 2 783.184 784.16 783.2 783.95 How . 783.95 IB4011 A FIE038 0 784.56 790.992 784.69 790.992 Uh maybe 'cause I_M_D_B_ is updated daily , so if it happens that people had voted for it 787.51 IB4011 C MIO095 2 787.232 788.249 787.25 788.11 That may be . 788.11 IB4011 C MIO095 2 790.286 794.432 790.37 794.4 Yeah , because yeah because I have I have uh I have th this review on on Wednesday . 790.55 794.4 IB4011 B MIO036 1 791.728 792.272 791.77 792.24 Mm-hmm . 792.24 IB4011 A FIE038 0 794.544 794.896 794.57 794.86 Mm-hmm . 794.86 IB4011 D MIO046 3 795.808 799.359 795.83 799.09 Yeah , Tuesday , it's quite surprising though , but uh , okay . 796.15 796.63 797.81 798.7 799.09 IB4011 C MIO095 2 797.712 799.928 797.73 799.928 Okay . It's 798.74 IB4011 B MIO036 1 798.352 805.217 798.37 805.217 Yeah , it's strange , with so many votes that they can p shift . I mean statistically speaking it's strange . 798.72 799.32 802.2 804.75 IB4011 D MIO046 3 800.496 800.806 800.53 800.71 Yeah . 800.71 IB4011 C MIO095 2 805.6 827.424 805.62 827.424 Goodfellas , I haven't see that movie . The plot outline says that the Henry Hill and the his friends uh work their way uh their way up through the mob uh hierarchy , and uh the user comment says , it's a simply a masterpiece , so and if you go to the to the to the votes , there is quite a lot of people who has vote for the Goodfellas , sixty six thousand . Okay , it's 806.14 807.27 814.63 817.12 818.69 822.4 825.24 826.75 826.97 IB4011 B MIO036 1 829.52 830.016 829.55 829.98 Mm-hmm . 829.98 IB4011 C MIO095 2 829.735 835.692 829.735 835.62 It's modern day average , so it's perhaps not a bad movie . I dunno , I haven't see that . 831.89 834.52 834.86 835.62 IB4011 B MIO036 1 830.812 831.657 831.1 831.21 Wow . 831.21 IB4011 B MIO036 1 833.58 834.098 833.62 833.98 Mm . 833.98 IB4011 D MIO046 3 834.575 846.125 834.575 846.125 Actually I have seen it , now I realise , yeah , yeah . No , because I thought it was like another movie , but it's it's this movie actually . 837.09 838.22 838.69 839.32 839.49 842.18 845.83 IB4011 C MIO095 2 836.702 837.569 836.75 837.2 You have seen it ? 837.2 IB4011 A FIE038 0 836.688 837.168 836.77 837.09 Have you ? 837.09 IB4011 C MIO095 2 838.195 838.845 838.22 838.73 Yeah ? 838.73 IB4011 C MIO095 2 841.792 842.144 841.82 842.09 Mm-hmm . 842.09 IB4011 A FIE038 0 841.813 843.602 841.84 843.602 But it is this movie . 843.16 IB4011 B MIO036 1 842.329 844.619 842.35 844.47 But it was that movie ? Okay . 844.04 844.47 IB4011 C MIO095 2 843.78 847.312 843.78 847.26 uh-huh . And how i was it called , Mafia ? 844.99 846.89 847.26 IB4011 A FIE038 0 844.284 845.2 844.43 845.17 Ah okay . 845.17 IB4011 D MIO046 3 847.568 849.456 847.71 849.42 Uh Les in French . 849.42 IB4011 D MIO046 3 850.64 853.056 850.66 853.02 I think it that one , but it's very violent . 851.46 853.02 IB4011 A FIE038 0 851.076 851.994 851.33 851.9 Okay . 851.9 IB4011 C MIO095 2 854.128 855.296 854.15 855.25 Mm-hmm mm-hmm mm-hmm . 855.25 IB4011 D MIO046 3 854.29 854.837 854.39 854.78 Very . 854.78 IB4011 D MIO046 3 855.581 859.344 855.72 859.31 It doesn't say it here , but uh it's probably rated R_ . 856.98 859.31 IB4011 A FIE038 0 855.92 856.417 856.12 856.34 Yeah . 856.34 IB4011 A FIE038 0 860.144 861.953 860.16 861.82 Yeah , I wouldn't be surprised . 860.47 861.82 IB4011 C MIO095 2 862.544 866.256 862.57 866.19 So it talks about the nineteen twen twenties or something like o of twenties ? 866.19 IB4011 A FIE038 0 866.752 868.375 866.77 867.99 No , it's later than that , isn't it ? 867.02 867.74 867.99 IB4011 D MIO046 3 867.056 873.776 867.08 873.73 It speak about uh a guy who is not Italian , who is uh going up in the hierarchy of mafia . 870.64 873.73 IB4011 C MIO095 2 873.817 874.423 873.94 874.21 Mm-hmm . 874.21 IB4011 B MIO036 1 873.808 874.448 873.95 874.41 Mm-hmm . 874.41 IB4011 B MIO036 1 875.872 876.608 875.89 876.608 Okay . 876.39 IB4011 C MIO095 2 876.528 877.874 876.55 877.74 Okay , so . 877.34 877.74 IB4011 D MIO046 3 876.448 877.152 876.79 876.94 So . 876.94 IB4011 B MIO036 1 877.648 879.675 877.67 879.46 Not really in favour of this , but 879.32 IB4011 D MIO046 3 879.536 882.928 879.56 882.89 The mob , so the mob is the mafia actually ? Okay . 879.96 882.57 882.89 IB4011 C MIO095 2 881.792 882.946 881.81 882.79 Mob is mafia , mm-hmm . 882.54 882.79 IB4011 A FIE038 0 881.808 882.125 881.83 882.05 Yeah . 882.05 IB4011 C MIO095 2 884.544 885.072 884.56 885.03 Okay . 885.03 IB4011 C MIO095 2 886.336 920.843 886.336 920.843 Silence of the Lambs , that's a godfather of all thrillers , I would say . Fully in line with the user comments . Uh basically it's a it's a thriller , horror and crime all together . The plot outline says that the uh Clarice Starling , the young F_B_I_ agent is assigned to help a f to help find a mi uh missing woman and save her from the ps psychopathic killer with the help of another killer . This another killer is actually in a jail and it's uh Anthony Hopkins , and he really plays it a very good , I would say . I'm not sure whether he received some a awards for that , but it's really it's 887.54 889.36 890.9 892.56 894.67 898.42 901.15 911.27 914.99 916.5 916.96 919.47 IB4011 B MIO036 1 887.097 887.695 887.19 887.58 Ah . 887.58 IB4011 A FIE038 0 920.202 923.702 920.42 923.61 I don't know , but it was a good performance , creepy . 920.98 922.9 923.61 IB4011 B MIO036 1 921.401 921.917 921.46 921.81 Mm-hmm . 921.81 IB4011 C MIO095 2 922.288 924.749 922.31 924.63 Yes , very good performance , very good performance . 922.68 923.71 924.63 IB4011 D MIO046 3 924.048 925.888 924.16 925.84 And Jodie Foster is very good as well . 925.84 IB4011 A FIE038 0 926.128 926.588 926.15 926.39 Yeah . 926.39 IB4011 C MIO095 2 926.147 929.696 926.31 929.65 Yeah , and we can see her actually on the picture on the on the projector . 926.46 929.65 IB4011 B MIO036 1 926.9 927.464 926.99 927.34 Mm-hmm . 927.34 IB4011 D MIO046 3 930.304 932.958 930.4 932.54 She was pretty young , no ? For . 931.42 932.09 932.54 IB4011 C MIO095 2 932.377 933.23 932.377 933.23 . 933.23 IB4011 B MIO036 1 932.381 938.595 932.59 938.49 Yeah , I think , yeah , when yeah , I saw this movie some time ago and yeah , she looked quite young I thought . 932.8 933.16 933.7 934.8 936.84 938.49 IB4011 A FIE038 0 932.953 934.19 932.97 933.79 I think so , yeah . 933.5 933.79 IB4011 D MIO046 3 937.424 939.424 937.52 939.39 W w from whe when is the movie ? 939.39 IB4011 A FIE038 0 938.7 939.977 938.82 939.62 When did it come out ? 939.62 IB4011 C MIO095 2 939.552 940.016 939.57 939.98 Um - IB4011 C MIO095 2 941.366 943.436 941.46 943.29 uh ninety one uh ninety one uh . 943.29 IB4011 B MIO036 1 941.44 943.735 941.56 943.38 Ninety one , . 943.38 943.38 IB4011 A FIE038 0 942.403 943.43 942.58 943.26 Yeah . 943.26 IB4011 D MIO046 3 942.391 943.648 942.59 943.61 Ninety one , yeah . 943.42 943.61 IB4011 C MIO095 2 944.384 951.392 944.4 951.392 So nowadays she's already fourteen years older . Yeah . 950.81 951.05 IB4011 A FIE038 0 946.886 951.552 946.886 951.552 As are we all . 951.34 IB4011 D MIO046 3 947.445 947.712 947.53 947.67 Yep . 947.67 IB4011 C MIO095 2 952.592 961.52 952.61 961.48 And I saw this movie when I was like uh twelve or thirteen and it was really really uh bad experience . So I can't remember all the details of that movie , but I would like to see it again . 958.13 960.19 961.48 IB4011 A FIE038 0 956.096 956.904 956.17 956.75 Yeah , me too . 956.37 956.75 IB4011 A FIE038 0 961.68 963.232 961.78 963.2 I don't think I've seen it since then . 963.2 IB4011 B MIO036 1 965.04 965.488 965.07 965.45 Mm-hmm . 965.45 IB4011 C MIO095 2 965.968 973.168 965.99 973.13 I recently I saw the the uh Hannibal , that the seco the sec uh it was a third third part actually , it was called Hannibal I guess . 968.85 971.85 973.13 IB4011 A FIE038 0 969.688 971.245 969.95 971.245 Ah . 971.17 IB4011 A FIE038 0 972.64 973.984 972.67 973.95 No , on the seco uh second one . 972.8 973.95 IB4011 C MIO095 2 974.32 975.351 974.34 975.31 It was second one , yeah . 975.08 975.31 IB4011 A FIE038 0 975.024 975.36 975.04 975.33 Yeah . 975.33 IB4011 C MIO095 2 976.272 977.248 976.29 977.248 So that's why - IB4011 D MIO046 3 977.168 978.288 977.19 978.25 But not that good , no ? 977.98 978.25 IB4011 A FIE038 0 978.912 983.318 978.93 983.12 It wasn't that good , but I think it was almost more disgusting in a way 979.62 IB4011 C MIO095 2 982.096 983.856 982.096 983.81 It was really disgusting , yeah . 983.59 983.81 IB4011 A FIE038 0 983.792 989.28 983.81 989.25 There were some scenes in it where normally I don't get queasy watching movies , but that was just too much . 987.27 989.25 IB4011 C MIO095 2 988.544 988.989 988.56 988.73 Yeah . 988.73 IB4011 D MIO046 3 991.056 993.184 991.08 993.13 Okay , what's your opinion ? You have seen it ? 991.3 992.21 993.13 IB4011 B MIO036 1 991.838 1001.596 991.87 1001.48 Okay . Oh yeah , I've seen it , yeah . Yeah , it's a good movie , I um I don't know , maybe too well known , but since it's fifteen years old maybe people would li 993.44 993.76 994.21 994.58 994.84 995.64 997.25 998.6 IB4011 A FIE038 0 999.687 1002.032 999.88 1001.7 It might be a little bit too violent - IB4011 B MIO036 1 1002.88 1003.392 1002.9 1003.32 Yeah . 1003.32 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1003.552 1005.232 1003.57 1005.2 for I dunno . 1005.2 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1005.52 1010.608 1005.54 1010.608 Violent and and uh scary as well . Mm . Psychopathic , I mean it's uh 1008.78 1009.04 1009.79 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1008.48 1008.8 1008.5 1008.77 Yeah . 1008.77 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1008.752 1009.312 1008.78 1009.28 Mm-hmm . 1009.28 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1012.32 1014.929 1012.34 1014.77 Okay . And last choice . 1013.25 1014.77 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1014.608 1020.737 1014.64 1020.46 And the last choice that um I think it's it's not a bad movie , it's uh American Beauty . Uh 1017.92 1019.97 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1019.776 1020.688 1019.9 1020.65 That's a good movie . 1020.65 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1021.12 1022.448 1021.24 1022.41 Yep , that's a good one . 1021.74 1022.41 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1022.528 1051.248 1022.55 1051.248 it's basically about the about the people in America , each of them is uh I would say psychotic in his uh his own way , but uh normally they appear to be uh s normal people , as as we can see them ev every day . Uh so and it's really it's uh the user comments say it's a deep , wonderful , penetrating uh film , extraordinary uh irony uh in a psychological drama about American life , and I can fully agree with this user comment . Uh 1026.98 1032.51 1036.14 1038.37 1041.94 1042.37 1043.65 1048.0 1050.75 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1051.722 1057.728 1051.722 1057.69 And Kevin Spacey ? It's no , Kevin Spacey , he received something , no ? 1054.58 1055.08 1056.58 1057.51 1057.69 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1054.892 1056.624 1054.892 1056.59 Yeah , it's Kevin Spacey . 1055.66 1056.59 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1056.864 1057.689 1056.9 1057.61 Oh again ? 1057.61 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1058.448 1060.272 1058.448 1060.24 Quite possibly , yeah . 1059.9 1060.24 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1060.784 1071.148 1060.81 1071.148 He's actually uh quitting his job at the beginning , but he's uh simulating a fight with his boss in order to to to pursue pursue to 1064.33 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1064.391 1064.904 1064.45 1064.87 Mm-hmm . 1064.87 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1069.986 1073.072 1070.08 1073.072 He's simulati I I I've seen this movie , but I 1072.64 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1071.299 1072.149 1071.32 1072.08 I see . 1072.08 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1073.872 1078.534 1074.04 1078.534 Yeah , I think . Yeah , to sue him afterward . And then 1074.2 1075.0 1075.19 1077.52 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1073.837 1076.386 1074.22 1076.18 S mm-hmm mm-hmm . 1076.18 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1074.416 1075.072 1074.44 1075.04 Yeah , yeah , yeah . 1074.68 1074.86 1075.04 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1076.96 1084.023 1077.0 1084.023 Mm-hmm . But then he fell in love with the the with the with the friend of uh his daughter , if I remember well . That's really 1077.57 1081.38 1083.05 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1081.764 1083.008 1081.81 1082.76 Yeah . Yeah . 1082.47 1082.76 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1082.448 1082.832 1082.47 1082.78 Yeah . 1082.78 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1083.696 1088.05 1083.73 1088.05 Ah , that's the girl who is represented on the the picture ? 1084.14 1087.9 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1086.656 1088.016 1086.68 1088.016 Maybe . 1087.89 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1088.704 1089.03 1088.75 1088.9 Yep . 1088.9 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1089.088 1090.15 1089.14 1089.98 Theoretically , yeah . 1089.73 1089.98 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1089.84 1092.681 1089.86 1092.681 You recognise her belly ? 1092.06 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1092.044 1101.68 1092.16 1101.63 No uh there is this rose , because the she's he's imagining her taking baths with ro roses all around and uh he's uh yeah . 1093.74 1101.63 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1094.342 1094.88 1094.36 1094.85 Yeah . 1094.85 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1099.358 1099.989 1099.44 1099.989 Uh - IB4011 C MIO095 2 1099.787 1101.312 1099.81 1101.28 Yeah , yeah , that's true , yeah . 1100.2 1100.55 1101.01 1101.28 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1102.112 1103.44 1102.13 1103.41 Oh so you recognise the rose . 1103.41 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1103.648 1109.792 1103.67 1109.6 Exactly . Okay . 1109.25 1109.6 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1104.006 1107.01 1104.006 1106.91 Uh-huh . 1106.91 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1104.28 1108.048 1104.28 1108.048 Yeah . 1107.81 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1109.792 1110.27 1109.81 1110.17 Mm-hmm . 1110.17 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1111.856 1117.712 1111.88 1117.68 Um so what will be your favou your preferred one on in this list ? 1117.68 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1112.448 1114.174 1112.47 1114.174 And I think that's the last - IB4011 B MIO036 1 1115.52 1116.0 1115.54 1115.87 Yeah . 1115.87 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1118.144 1125.248 1118.16 1125.248 If would like to go for something what is really serious I would definitely uh go for Schindler's List , and if not uh then 1123.5 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1127.616 1127.856 1127.64 1127.78 Hmm . 1127.78 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1128.896 1145.75 1128.92 1145.5 I would like to see this uh Shawshank Redemption , because it receive i yeah , it it none of us seen this movie unfortunately , but uh as you can see from the from your from your table , there is a plenty of votes . It's actually I think it's a movie with highest number of the votes , yeah , it is . 1131.65 1132.99 1136.06 1139.89 1142.15 1144.63 1144.89 1145.5 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1131.617 1135.446 1131.91 1135.05 The first one , yeah . Probably yeah , you received so yeah . 1132.57 1133.06 1133.78 1135.05 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1141.296 1141.728 1141.34 1141.69 Yeah , yeah . 1141.46 1141.69 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1144.864 1145.76 1144.89 1145.69 Yeah , that's true . 1145.13 1145.69 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1145.696 1149.04 1145.72 1149.0 And it's uh Tim Robbins and uh who is the - IB4011 A FIE038 0 1150.144 1151.154 1150.16 1151.03 Morgan Freeman . 1151.03 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1150.126 1155.032 1150.26 1154.73 the guy behi Morgan Freeman . Yeah . Yeah , great actors . 1152.61 1153.49 1153.83 1154.73 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1151.776 1152.688 1151.8 1152.65 Morgan Freeman , yeah . 1152.44 1152.65 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1154.27 1163.317 1154.37 1163.317 Yeah , but didn't I mean I see this name of the the director on the slide , but I don't really know him . Frank Darabont ? 1155.1 1160.0 1161.56 1163.27 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1154.672 1155.024 1154.7 1154.99 Mm-hmm . 1154.99 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1161.312 1162.166 1161.35 1161.83 Darabont . 1161.83 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1162.832 1163.872 1162.85 1163.78 Me neither , me neither . 1163.36 1163.78 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1163.621 1164.497 1163.83 1164.39 Mm yeah . 1164.39 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1163.968 1165.36 1163.99 1165.2 Never heard of this guy . 1165.2 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1165.856 1171.344 1165.88 1171.3 Yeah , but really I would like to highlight that it's a it's a movie with highest number of the votes and the highest ranking at the same time . 1166.0 1171.3 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1171.616 1172.316 1171.64 1172.22 Mm-hmm . 1172.22 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1171.711 1181.824 1172.03 1181.824 Yep . Okay . Yep , it tells something . Okay , it's just a do we want to have to display the most popular movie or or we're 1173.27 1173.94 1174.21 1175.87 1176.05 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1172.4 1172.736 1172.42 1172.7 Mm-hmm . 1172.7 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1173.216 1173.696 1173.24 1173.65 So . 1173.65 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1182.483 1184.528 1182.52 1184.42 Well let's go through the other suggestions . 1184.42 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1182.46 1184.783 1182.55 1184.59 Yeah , I'm not sure . Yeah . 1182.75 1184.12 1184.59 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1183.68 1189.584 1183.7 1189.55 And actually I don't think it's it's it's that popular in Europe at least , because I really you see , none of us have seen it , so . 1186.45 1187.79 1189.07 1189.55 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1187.806 1188.356 1187.94 1188.27 Yeah . 1188.27 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1188.915 1190.413 1188.97 1190.32 That's right , yeah . 1190.13 1190.32 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1188.976 1189.61 1189.0 1189.5 Mm-hmm . 1189.5 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1190.912 1203.12 1190.93 1203.07 Yeah , maybe . But it's true , yeah , we shouldn't stick to only very highly rated movies on this table . Though it's a very useful table , but um okay , do you want me to yeah . 1191.22 1192.08 1192.53 1192.7 1197.56 1198.84 1201.25 1203.07 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1200.945 1204.224 1201.08 1204.224 Okay , Andrei , yeah , can can you comment your 1201.5 1201.89 1202.67 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1204.336 1246.317 1204.39 1246.317 So yeah , uh I wrote some notes on um on Saving Private Ryan , which is my candidate . If you can display them it's perfect . Uh do you all have a copy of them ? I have some paper copies . Uh you're welcome . So actually given that more or less our theme since the beginning of the year was um history , drama , action , and given also that , well , we decided to to present this month a movie from the the nineties , um I thought that among these movies , who look quite popular , uh Saving Private Ryan would be a very good candidate . Um 1204.75 1208.67 1209.82 1212.06 1214.48 1216.79 1219.8 1227.81 1228.87 1229.95 1230.98 1231.4 1236.59 1239.95 1241.39 1244.96 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1211.055 1211.749 1211.28 1211.6 Yeah . 1211.6 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1214.112 1214.5 1214.13 1214.44 I do . 1214.44 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1214.331 1217.552 1214.54 1217.33 Um yeah , I w thank you . 1216.31 1217.33 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1215.4 1216.175 1215.52 1216.06 Yeah , yeah . 1215.89 1216.06 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1246.864 1287.199 1247.15 1287.13 actually it's a movie I've seen . Have you seen it before ? Okay , so you've all seen it , so maybe everyone has seen it , I'm not very sure . Um but I think it's a very novel treatment of of war , it's uh it's no longer the b glorification of uh , whatever , combat and victory , but the plot is quite different , it's about saving one person who has a special special value in the in the movie um if only because his brothers actually were all killed , so uh the government believes that they should save at least one person from the family , and saving means actually removing from the the front , if you if re if you remember the plot . 1248.22 1250.3 1250.57 1251.43 1253.07 1254.49 1258.84 1262.4 1262.94 1264.7 1266.36 1276.73 1281.58 1284.85 1287.13 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1249.472 1249.76 1249.49 1249.72 Yeah . 1249.72 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1249.808 1250.146 1249.83 1250.06 Yeah . 1250.06 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1249.801 1250.144 1249.83 1250.1 Yep . 1250.1 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1287.199 1340.41 1287.22 1340.41 So in fact this guy , the Private Ryan is not at all the main actor , the the main a well , the main character is uh played by Tom Hanks and it's actually you can see his picture on the second page of my my notes uh Captain John Miller . So he is sent with this rather strange mission , which is not a combat mission , but they uh they want just to to get this guy back , which is in fact this guy is I think behind enemy lines or something like this . So it happens in in Europe , just after the the Normandy landing , and it's very very striking the way they they filmed all the the combat scenes and uh it's it's very dramatic , it's uh it's not , you know , like in the movies from the fifties or the sixties where people just fall and die anonymously , but here they well , you see everything and you see how many people die on that day . It's actually 1288.64 1291.45 1292.6 1302.53 1304.97 1306.66 1310.03 1315.3 1316.63 1319.4 1326.37 1327.84 1328.04 1332.87 1334.33 1338.27 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1314.287 1314.708 1314.4 1314.65 Mm-hmm . 1314.65 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1336.266 1337.024 1336.44 1336.98 And you e - IB4011 A FIE038 0 1336.479 1337.696 1336.55 1337.55 Up close . 1337.55 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1337.824 1341.056 1337.84 1341.056 And you enjoyed that , the fact the you see clo I 1339.46 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1341.856 1366.112 1341.88 1366.112 Well it's very strange , you could s ask this for any sad movie , did you enjoy it . Well I didn't really enjoy to see bad things , but uh I think it was satisfying to see that , well , how dramatic things are . Yeah . Exactly , yeah . I it's very moving , I it's true , it's not very it's not very , well , happy . I don't know how it would compare with Apocalypse Now , if it's darker or maybe 1342.82 1345.02 1346.03 1348.47 1352.19 1352.34 1353.9 1354.58 1355.25 1355.54 1356.85 1357.86 1359.95 1360.21 1360.63 1363.29 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1352.408 1355.16 1352.47 1355.11 To realise how it wa how it was exactly . 1355.11 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1354.32 1354.719 1354.34 1354.66 Yeah . 1354.66 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1354.29 1355.149 1354.77 1355.04 Mm-hmm . 1355.04 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1365.744 1368.544 1365.78 1368.51 It's very different , I don't think you can compare them . 1366.77 1368.51 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1366.928 1368.589 1366.95 1368.45 Yeah , it's very different , yeah . 1367.2 1368.11 1368.45 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1369.728 1416.528 1369.79 1416.48 Yeah . So yeah , so I think this would continue a bit our our theme . So the the movie is ranked quite high , if I if I refer back to your table it's number uh , what actually , um fourteen . Quite a lot of votes , so um also one of the the mainstream movies . Um on the second page uh of my notes I well I quoted some uh well some facts about the movie that I found interesting , we we could use them for either a poster or uh or a presentation . Um especially I enjoyed the story about the the colour saturation . It's true that the movie is not really black and white , uh but uh the colours are grey-ish , dark-ish , it it prov it makes a very moving effect . 1370.85 1371.55 1374.59 1376.52 1380.94 1381.91 1384.14 1385.21 1388.83 1398.09 1402.93 1406.79 1410.11 1413.37 1413.97 1416.48 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1385.268 1386.074 1385.57 1385.84 Mm-hmm . 1385.84 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1415.492 1418.368 1415.492 1418.368 To make it like uh an historical movie or - IB4011 B MIO036 1 1418.576 1434.237 1418.6 1434.11 Yeah , I think also to show the um yeah , I think it's the reference to history and also this dark yeah the mood and uh things are actually well most of the things are quite grey , you know , the uniforms , weapons , things and things like that . 1418.91 1421.14 1430.16 1430.43 1431.8 1432.78 1434.11 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1423.205 1425.123 1423.36 1424.93 Also sets the mood a little bit . 1424.93 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1425.104 1426.4 1425.12 1426.01 Yeah , mm . 1425.34 1426.01 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1425.94 1427.008 1425.96 1427.008 Darker and - IB4011 A FIE038 0 1432.192 1437.488 1432.21 1437.45 Yeah , but you'd get a different impression if you had bright blue sky and bright sunshine behind it . 1432.49 1437.45 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1436.768 1437.232 1436.8 1437.2 Mm-hmm . 1437.2 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1438.304 1439.04 1438.48 1438.98 Exactly . 1438.98 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1438.864 1442.032 1438.88 1442.0 But if I read your first point in the in this uh trivias , 1442.0 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1442.423 1459.248 1442.47 1459.21 I am just surprised because it says that all the principle actors uh underwent several days of uh cruel army training except for the Man Matt Damon , and the reason was that they wan uh that the that the director wanted that uh the other actors would resent him . Why this was uh wanted actually ? 1450.61 1456.9 1459.21 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1442.429 1443.024 1442.56 1442.99 Mm-hmm . 1442.99 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1453.92 1454.352 1453.96 1454.26 Mm-hmm . 1454.26 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1456.777 1457.49 1457.02 1457.35 Mm-hmm . 1457.35 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1459.44 1465.546 1459.47 1465.546 Well I think Matt Damon is the guy who must be saved , if I remember well , and in fact the die 1462.56 1463.97 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1462.144 1462.845 1462.17 1462.75 Yeah . 1462.75 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1462.12 1463.635 1462.23 1463.49 Yeah , he's private Ryan . 1462.55 1463.49 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1463.764 1466.032 1463.99 1465.95 And they didn't like it , they didn't like the mission ? 1465.06 1465.95 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1466.416 1470.464 1466.44 1470.33 Well yeah , the people didn't understand why they should save one person . 1466.89 1470.33 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1467.156 1467.846 1467.18 1467.846 Well - IB4011 A FIE038 0 1469.859 1475.84 1469.94 1475.8 They're being sent to the front behind enemy lines to retrieve one soldier only because all of his other brothers died . 1475.8 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1470.872 1471.699 1470.872 1471.5 Oh . 1471.5 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1477.408 1490.277 1477.43 1490.02 So and they are quite resentful , because they I mean they feel they should fight , they shouldn't just go there and uh just get someone and get back . And in fact some of them d get killed for this guy . Actually most of them , yeah , I think so . 1478.79 1481.31 1485.39 1488.26 1489.32 1489.52 1490.02 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1481.814 1483.16 1481.94 1483.05 Mm-hmm mm-hmm . 1483.05 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1485.28 1486.512 1485.3 1486.35 Yeah , and it okay . 1485.46 1486.35 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1487.632 1489.712 1487.65 1489.68 Most of them get killed , don't they ? Yeah . 1488.57 1489.4 1489.68 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1487.92 1494.48 1487.94 1494.44 Yes . Most of them . So there is actually several people dying because of one single single soldier , mm-hmm . 1488.91 1489.8 1494.2 1494.44 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1491.088 1491.866 1491.33 1491.866 So - IB4011 A FIE038 0 1492.576 1492.977 1492.6 1492.87 Yeah . 1492.87 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1492.547 1493.024 1492.78 1492.99 Yeah . 1492.99 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1492.976 1504.589 1493.0 1504.589 Yeah , yeah . It's a very I think some people compare it with uh , whatever , Christian message or I dunno , but um I think it's quite quite universal and it's uh I think it's a modern , very modern 1493.64 1494.41 1496.42 1496.81 1498.76 1503.46 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1497.829 1498.647 1498.02 1498.39 Mm-hmm . 1498.39 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1501.374 1502.12 1501.53 1501.85 Mm-hmm . 1501.85 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1503.664 1506.288 1503.68 1506.288 What kind of message ? Sorry , I'm not getting your 1504.88 1505.26 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1506.48 1544.144 1506.5 1544.11 Well this uh value of one individual , it looks like a Christian message , you know , the value of one is compared to others I I don't know I th I think I heard this at that point , but maybe I'm just wrong . So yeah , I I think it would make a coherent choice . It's probably a bit long and we might want something that is lighter and funnier , but uh if we want to keep this this idea of history and conflict and also to show some some kind of modern treatment of it , it it would make for a good choice . But if you see in my notes at the bottom of the first page I put some other candidate movies . 1509.5 1511.29 1511.49 1516.53 1518.68 1519.11 1522.42 1528.33 1536.65 1539.18 1544.11 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1514.112 1514.97 1514.41 1514.83 Okay . 1514.83 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1516.0 1516.538 1516.04 1516.46 Mm-hmm . 1516.46 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1536.288 1536.64 1536.32 1536.6 Mm-hmm . 1536.6 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1545.232 1568.944 1545.25 1568.91 Uh La Vita e Bella is an Italian one , but it's also about history and it happens at t the same period as Schindler's List . And I also quoted Pulp Fiction and Silence of the Lambs , um a bit more remote from the themes , but quite well known movies and enjoyable I would say . So do you have any questions about this , or should we just move to the next candidate maybe ? 1547.45 1553.04 1556.73 1559.01 1563.99 1566.13 1568.91 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1560.994 1561.628 1561.18 1561.41 Hmm . 1561.41 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1570.304 1572.448 1570.32 1572.448 Yep . Or or we have you have 1571.23 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1571.225 1572.033 1571.26 1571.94 Okay . 1571.94 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1572.768 1574.364 1572.79 1574.364 I have no comments , no no , it's 1573.57 1574.16 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1573.837 1574.35 1573.95 1574.26 Mm-mm . 1574.26 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1576.88 1580.992 1577.57 1580.94 Okay . So actually I don't know if uh 1578.6 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1581.464 1586.288 1581.6 1586.21 y any of you have uh read the document I prepared on The Big Lebowski . 1586.21 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1586.432 1586.736 1586.45 1586.68 Mm-hmm . 1586.68 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1587.908 1592.416 1587.98 1592.416 It's just below the table , so since we all refer to the table 1589.66 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1589.824 1591.957 1589.84 1591.957 It's below the table , yeah . I wanted 1590.99 1591.17 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1590.61 1597.456 1590.81 1597.28 Yeah , but I really appreciate your table , because I found this table really useful . It's a very nice summary . 1590.93 1592.25 1594.91 1597.28 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1594.912 1612.96 1594.93 1612.91 Yeah . Yeah , yeah , I wanted to say that uh it's quite open , there are many choices possible . But then my proposal is The Big Lebowski from um the two brothers uh Coen , Coen brothers . And it's a actually Joel Co Coen who uh directed the movie . Um 1595.26 1595.89 1596.2 1598.73 1600.5 1606.87 1608.17 1612.46 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1600.432 1600.997 1600.46 1600.75 Mm-hmm . 1600.75 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1612.016 1612.384 1612.05 1612.33 Mm-hmm . 1612.33 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1614.0 1621.456 1614.02 1621.456 the plot is quite hard to to make , but maybe you you read it al already you understood something from the plot or 1616.53 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1619.148 1620.017 1619.36 1619.63 Yeah . 1619.63 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1619.258 1619.974 1619.4 1619.9 Mm-hmm . 1619.9 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1621.845 1624.064 1621.845 1624.064 I tried to . 1623.83 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1624.528 1638.524 1624.61 1638.46 Yeah . No , I think the summary is i is quite good , and especially I think it uh well mm when you read it you just want to go to see the movie . I think it looks funny for me . I haven't seen the movie , but uh the summary looks funny . 1624.99 1625.14 1628.01 1633.74 1635.68 1636.6 1638.46 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1624.61 1625.222 1624.61 1625.222 . 1625.222 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1633.536 1635.344 1633.62 1635.344 I am ? 1635.19 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1637.2 1683.44 1637.22 1683.41 Yeah , it's it's it's a bit like the f in my opinion like um American Beauty , because it's it's a funny movie but uh it critiques a lot the American society . And the the the hero , the the Dude , the mm Big Lebowksi , it's actually his name , is a a kind of non-hero , but he's representative of the of uh a normal uh L_A_ L_A_ guy . And uh he has a friend comi veter veteran from Vietnam and uh another friend who is never speaking . And they all are together in a bowling club where they meet and they discuss about uh everything . They seems to have no job , I not know , we never seen i them working . Yeah . 1637.41 1642.64 1648.27 1651.41 1652.34 1653.94 1655.34 1658.0 1665.24 1672.86 1678.76 1680.11 1680.53 1683.19 1683.41 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1654.304 1654.64 1654.33 1654.6 Mm-hmm . 1654.6 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1658.006 1658.553 1658.05 1658.39 Mm-hmm . 1658.39 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1677.864 1678.386 1678.0 1678.28 Mm-hmm . 1678.28 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1681.536 1685.74 1681.56 1685.62 So doing nothing , just uh take it easy in the life , yeah . 1682.63 1685.29 1685.62 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1685.072 1690.144 1685.09 1690.1 And actually he's uh taking part to a kind of um uh - IB4011 B MIO036 1 1685.242 1686.072 1685.54 1685.98 Mm-hmm . 1685.98 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1690.432 1714.656 1690.432 1714.62 uh s some some killers come to his apartment uh because they think he's someone else , and uh the whole story is about uh he wants to to to get some money out of this story , and he's going to see the other Lebowski to ask him money , because he he because the killers actually uh damage some stuff in his apartment . 1698.15 1705.45 1709.27 1714.62 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1699.386 1699.933 1699.41 1699.69 Mm-hmm . 1699.69 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1707.6 1708.288 1707.63 1708.25 Mm-hmm mm-hmm . 1708.25 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1709.281 1711.528 1709.281 1711.43 Mm-hmm . 1711.43 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1709.446 1710.287 1709.71 1710.18 Mm-hmm . 1710.18 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1715.308 1720.408 1715.45 1720.408 Actually , who are the two characters on the the p the poster , on the on the image that 1715.78 1718.74 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1718.612 1726.192 1718.67 1725.98 It's uh Jeff Bridges and uh John Goodman . John Goodman , you have probably seen him in in a series ? 1722.49 1723.2 1725.98 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1724.32 1724.768 1724.34 1724.71 Uh-huh . 1724.71 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1726.304 1728.778 1726.32 1728.74 And w and which one is the Big Lebowski on the picture ? 1728.74 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1726.217 1727.109 1726.37 1726.85 Mm-hmm . 1726.85 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1727.927 1731.824 1727.927 1731.78 On the right , the guy on the right , Jeff Bridges . 1730.09 1730.99 1731.78 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1729.648 1731.815 1729.67 1731.72 Okay , so the guy with the glasses . 1730.0 1731.72 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1729.87 1730.64 1729.95 1730.23 Mm-hmm . 1730.23 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1732.048 1733.696 1732.07 1733.57 And the one on the left is his friend ? 1733.57 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1734.0 1735.706 1734.06 1735.48 Or is that the other Lebowski ? 1735.48 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1733.986 1739.184 1734.29 1739.15 Yeah . He's the one coming uh from from Vietnam . He's kind of uh 1735.0 1738.15 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1736.375 1737.831 1736.51 1737.72 The Vietnam guy . 1737.72 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1737.824 1738.593 1737.86 1738.35 Oh , okay . 1738.15 1738.35 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1737.889 1739.143 1738.04 1738.89 Aha , yeah . 1738.55 1738.89 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1740.224 1745.184 1740.25 1745.184 he is still equipped for for war . Okay so uh 1744.55 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1742.326 1743.058 1742.5 1742.97 Hmm . 1742.97 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1744.682 1748.736 1744.88 1748.736 But this movie is is supposed to happen in uh what time , I mean it's uh 1747.92 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1749.12 1751.968 1749.14 1751.93 It's f a movie from the nineties actually , yep . 1751.76 1751.93 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1749.259 1750.092 1749.51 1749.87 Which ca - IB4011 C MIO095 2 1750.976 1757.472 1751.0 1757.44 From the nineties ? And he's still uh still uh prepared from or or still as he he would come from the Vietnam . 1751.79 1757.44 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1757.984 1768.96 1758.0 1768.92 Yep , yeah , yeah , that's a problem . I'm going to actually I want to show you some posters I prepared for this movie , so we actually can discuss at the same time the poster design . 1758.35 1758.53 1759.18 1760.05 1764.94 1768.92 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1758.816 1761.332 1758.84 1761.332 Okay . There i 1760.06 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1760.288 1761.883 1760.46 1761.47 Well , sort of . 1760.84 1761.47 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1765.782 1766.674 1765.81 1766.57 Mm-hmm mm-hmm . 1766.57 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1767.069 1767.826 1767.26 1767.72 Oh . 1767.72 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1770.352 1788.848 1770.37 1788.8 So on the left you see the main characters of the movie , so the the hero at the top left . Then it's the guy coming back from Vietnam . Afterward it's uh uh a guy who John Turturro , they are competing with him on a bowling uh contest , 1774.88 1778.33 1781.49 1785.15 1788.8 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1777.775 1778.16 1777.8 1778.12 Mm-hmm . 1778.12 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1786.152 1786.783 1786.22 1786.61 Mm-hmm . 1786.61 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1788.976 1789.376 1789.0 1789.33 Mm-hmm . 1789.33 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1790.144 1802.768 1790.16 1802.73 and um Julianne Moore and the last one is Buscemi or something like that . Buscemi ? He's never speaking in the movie . Each time he's trying to speak , the other one are are stopping him . 1796.58 1797.81 1799.38 1801.1 1802.73 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1796.272 1797.52 1796.31 1797.49 Buscemi , yeah . 1797.26 1797.49 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1796.673 1797.184 1796.89 1797.14 Mm-hmm . 1797.14 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1799.337 1800.053 1799.37 1799.65 Really ? 1799.65 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1803.072 1803.648 1803.1 1803.58 Oh . 1803.58 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1804.021 1805.434 1804.05 1805.11 So it's qu - IB4011 C MIO095 2 1804.613 1806.832 1804.7 1806.8 And this one is supposed to be the second Lebowski ? 1806.8 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1807.771 1808.24 1807.85 1808.24 Or who - IB4011 D MIO046 3 1807.824 1810.928 1807.85 1810.89 No , he's not on the on the picture , the second Lebowski . 1808.26 1809.94 1810.89 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1810.384 1811.232 1810.4 1811.2 Okay , okay . 1810.83 1811.2 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1811.952 1819.728 1811.952 1819.728 So uh my proposition was to add um the title of course , some information abo about the pricing on the right 1816.49 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1820.224 1822.746 1820.24 1822.746 Yeah , you cannot read it very well because 1820.53 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1822.304 1825.642 1822.32 1825.5 Uh yeah , but when it will be printed it will be okay , I think . 1823.02 1825.15 1825.5 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1825.408 1830.977 1825.43 1830.82 But actually I'm I'm little bit missing th some information about our movie club , I think uh there should be some more information . 1828.84 1830.82 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1827.12 1827.762 1827.14 1827.762 Ah , you mean 1827.31 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1830.192 1832.192 1830.21 1832.16 Okay , so I prepared a second one 1830.47 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1833.296 1849.184 1833.296 1849.15 where th th th there's there is some information . At the bottom we can see that um , do you know Mondre Montreux English Movie Club ? Uh I said that people can contact us to to get to the committee and select movies . 1836.17 1838.75 1842.26 1849.15 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1838.64 1839.084 1838.66 1839.05 Mm . 1839.05 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1838.76 1840.482 1839.11 1840.42 Yeah I like this , mm-hmm . 1839.85 1840.42 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1848.384 1849.664 1848.4 1849.63 Mm-hmm , yeah . 1849.33 1849.63 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1850.56 1853.306 1850.58 1853.1 Uh-huh . Yeah , the text on this one is very good . 1851.13 1851.3 1853.1 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1850.731 1851.664 1850.85 1851.54 So um . 1851.54 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1851.029 1853.268 1851.09 1853.23 I think it looks too much like a C_D_ cover , though . 1852.93 1853.23 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1852.912 1853.248 1852.94 1853.2 Mm-hmm . 1853.2 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1854.464 1854.928 1854.48 1854.89 Okay . 1854.89 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1854.816 1856.0 1854.86 1855.97 Oh because it's square . 1855.97 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1856.336 1858.848 1856.36 1858.81 I like the layout of the first one and the content of this one . 1858.81 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1859.312 1859.728 1859.33 1859.69 Uh-huh . 1859.69 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1859.792 1861.488 1859.81 1861.45 So perhaps we can somehow combine them . 1861.45 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1860.304 1862.608 1860.33 1862.57 But there is a th there is a third one . 1862.57 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1864.496 1869.056 1864.56 1869.01 Um actually I I prefer it because it's more colourful also . 1869.01 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1869.513 1872.038 1869.6 1871.92 It looks like two different posters though . 1871.92 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1869.664 1874.623 1869.68 1874.49 Yeah , I don't like the black one . The f the first poster is I think much uh much too dark . 1870.0 1871.23 1874.49 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1873.703 1888.198 1873.84 1888.03 I think there is too many colours , too many colours . Nowadays , you know , if you see some advertisements on the s yeah , but nowadays if you see some advertisement on the on the street , this is typical typical uh poster I wouldn't wouldn't look at . 1876.22 1876.91 1877.5 1877.74 1880.13 1883.16 1888.03 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1875.952 1877.003 1875.97 1876.89 No , that's nice . 1876.09 1876.89 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1878.064 1880.884 1878.1 1880.884 But it's it can catch the eyes actually but um - IB4011 B MIO036 1 1880.896 1881.268 1880.92 1881.18 Yeah . 1881.18 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1884.764 1886.032 1885.04 1886.0 It's hard to read . 1886.0 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1886.273 1886.845 1886.49 1886.69 Yeah . 1886.69 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1887.2 1897.532 1887.23 1897.32 But then the problem I preferred the first one , because I think it's important to have the plot of movie , e especially for uh a movie people don't n never heard about it . But uh I don't know . 1889.15 1892.13 1896.31 1897.32 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1892.093 1892.615 1892.23 1892.55 Mm-hmm . 1892.55 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1895.712 1901.76 1895.73 1901.69 Mm-hmm . Yeah , maybe two or three sentences , because I guess they won't stop in front of the poster . 1897.05 1897.33 1898.86 1901.69 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1896.288 1897.087 1896.32 1896.96 Mm-hmm mm-hmm . 1896.96 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1899.534 1900.252 1899.61 1900.04 Okay . 1900.04 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1899.618 1902.064 1899.74 1902.03 The paragraph I think was a little bit long . 1902.03 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1902.968 1909.088 1902.968 1909.03 Okay , so what do you propose , what should I do for these posters ? In terms of content . 1904.08 1905.17 1907.97 1909.03 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1903.072 1903.392 1903.09 1903.35 Yep . 1903.35 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1908.185 1910.688 1908.29 1910.59 So layout of the first one - IB4011 A FIE038 0 1908.974 1912.144 1909.27 1912.11 I would and content of the second one . 1912.11 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1912.464 1913.808 1912.48 1913.77 and colours of the third one . 1913.77 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1913.4 1927.328 1913.4 1927.29 Okay , I'll try to do something , but first anyway we have to select a movie . So I'll put all the information and you want me to put the at the bottom , all the information about the committee and the the Montreux Club , okay . 1915.73 1916.67 1919.38 1923.47 1926.98 1927.29 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1919.105 1920.191 1919.48 1919.97 Yeah . 1919.97 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1919.456 1921.478 1919.48 1921.44 Yeah . Mm-hmm . 1920.92 1921.44 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1925.204 1926.361 1925.43 1926.16 Exactly . 1926.16 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1925.536 1926.992 1925.56 1926.96 Yeah , like what you have there . 1925.86 1926.96 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1927.948 1928.816 1927.948 1928.78 Okay . 1928.78 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1928.736 1945.152 1928.76 1945.11 And then maybe replace the paragraph that you had on the first poster with either shorter sort of descriptions , not even of the whole plot , but just descriptions of the movie or 'cause I think that paragraph is too long , people don't r generally just stand there and then read the whole thing . 1936.76 1937.91 1942.33 1945.11 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1932.496 1933.012 1932.52 1932.84 Okay . 1932.84 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1940.592 1941.137 1940.592 1940.98 Okay . 1940.98 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1947.104 1979.12 1947.12 1979.07 Okay , so just to conti to finish with The Big Lebowski , it's um I think those two images are pretty representative , so the on the first on on the top you see the hero with a a cowboy that i introduces the movie , and on the bottom it's uh he is he keeps dreaming in th in this movie , because uh uh the killer's um uh put it d put it or he is drinking too much also , so each time he's uh drinking he's having some dreams , very very weird , but interesting . 1947.32 1950.44 1954.02 1961.04 1965.77 1973.99 1977.12 1978.36 1979.07 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1959.877 1960.559 1959.99 1960.4 Mm-hmm . 1960.4 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1973.873 1974.875 1973.96 1974.8 Oh okay . 1974.8 IB4011 A FIE038 0 1973.863 1974.599 1974.0 1974.51 Mm-hmm . 1974.51 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1973.87 1974.871 1974.15 1974.82 Mm-hmm mm-hmm . 1974.82 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1979.584 1983.488 1979.6 1983.45 So the woman on the second picture , that's Julianne Moore or oh . 1981.16 1983.45 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1982.185 1984.016 1982.185 1983.98 Yep . Yeah , yeah . 1983.63 1983.77 1983.98 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1985.106 1995.04 1985.106 1995.04 Actually , she wants him to she wants to make kids and she's using the Big Lebowski to have kids with him , but he doesn't know . So maybe he's making strange uh 1985.76 1991.87 1993.29 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1993.703 1994.343 1993.8 1994.3 Ah . 1994.3 IB4011 C MIO095 2 1994.96 1995.68 1994.98 1995.64 Mm-hmm mm-hmm . 1995.64 IB4011 B MIO036 1 1995.876 2002.932 1995.876 2002.79 Interesting . So it's not really violent or I mean the movie is quite for general audiences . Okay . 1997.73 2002.51 2002.79 IB4011 D MIO046 3 1996.352 1997.088 1996.74 1997.05 Okay . 1997.05 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2001.936 2007.04 2001.96 2006.81 Yeah , yeah , it's very very sweet and it's like a it's like a dream actually . 2002.18 2002.33 2006.81 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2003.854 2005.68 2003.854 2005.65 okay . 2005.65 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2006.404 2010.224 2006.54 2010.11 How is it actually r ranked , because I cannot see it here in your table . 2007.83 2010.11 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2006.604 2007.206 2006.83 2007.15 Huh . 2007.15 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2009.152 2019.639 2009.18 2019.54 It's um no , it is on in the table actually . It's um it's coming at the end . Forty eight . But quite a lot of people have seen it actually . 2010.83 2012.74 2016.23 2017.41 2019.54 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2011.7 2013.862 2012.0 2013.64 I somehow can't find it . 2013.64 IB4011 A FIE038 0 2015.077 2016.542 2015.21 2016.42 It's here , forty eight . 2015.71 2016.42 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2016.546 2017.584 2016.66 2017.47 Ah , forty eight . 2016.88 2017.47 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2019.376 2021.424 2019.4 2021.39 Yeah , fifty thousand , mm-mm . 2020.07 2021.13 2021.39 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2021.952 2023.665 2021.97 2023.53 Well , at least voted for it . 2022.35 2023.53 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2024.32 2024.608 2024.36 2024.5 Yeah . 2024.5 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2024.688 2027.562 2024.73 2027.562 Voted , yeah . 2025.17 2027.23 IB4011 A FIE038 0 2024.66 2027.993 2024.8 2027.993 I hope more people have seen it . 2027.6 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2026.08 2028.384 2026.12 2028.33 Yeah , but generally you vote when you have seen the movie , no ? 2026.34 2028.11 2028.33 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2029.888 2030.304 2029.99 2030.27 Mm . 2030.27 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2030.736 2034.307 2030.94 2034.307 Okay , so uh I think we should decide for a movie now . 2031.16 2034.21 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2032.822 2033.529 2032.96 2033.31 Mm-hmm . 2033.31 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2033.206 2034.272 2033.206 2034.22 Yeah . 2034.22 IB4011 A FIE038 0 2033.517 2034.283 2033.72 2034.25 Mm-hmm . 2034.25 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2034.624 2035.36 2034.64 2035.15 So - IB4011 D MIO046 3 2036.544 2040.608 2036.56 2040.608 maybe each of us can s can select two movies or - IB4011 B MIO036 1 2040.528 2042.762 2040.55 2042.67 Yeah , let's nominate first . 2040.81 2042.67 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2041.904 2043.168 2041.904 2043.12 Let's nominate , okay . 2042.77 2043.12 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2042.084 2042.873 2042.28 2042.56 Okay . 2042.56 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2043.904 2046.272 2043.95 2046.24 And then we vote we choose from the list . 2046.24 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2046.96 2052.112 2047.06 2051.97 So I will take basically two extremes , I will take Schindler's List and I will take uh The Big Lebowski . 2048.79 2051.97 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2053.264 2062.422 2053.28 2062.26 One of the one of them is really just funny and from the nineties , uh I mean the story is from the nineties , while the second one is about the Second War and is uh serious . 2056.39 2058.62 2062.26 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2062.752 2063.323 2062.78 2063.18 Mm-hmm . 2063.18 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2065.248 2076.432 2065.27 2076.4 Well I'll nominate the one I proposed , Saving Private Ryan , so history , war , drem drama . And I haven't seen it , but I would like to see it and I think American Beauty . 2067.89 2069.34 2070.49 2070.96 2072.45 2073.38 2076.4 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2076.672 2077.104 2076.77 2077.05 Mm-hmm . 2077.05 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2077.936 2090.112 2077.96 2089.81 If you if you think that our series okay , it's not about America , but uh still Apocalypse well , yeah . It's about countries . So , Agnes , Denis ? 2080.04 2081.12 2083.43 2084.09 2087.45 2088.21 2089.64 2089.81 IB4011 A FIE038 0 2089.264 2094.624 2089.28 2094.58 Um I'd go for Sixth Sense , just because it's different from all the other ones and 2091.63 IB4011 A FIE038 0 2096.144 2099.671 2096.16 2099.58 maybe Shawshank Redemption , just because we haven't seen it . 2098.42 2099.58 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2099.6 2099.968 2099.64 2099.93 Mm-hmm . 2099.93 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2103.41 2107.312 2103.51 2107.27 So Denis , are you happy with our choices or would you like to add something ? 2104.08 2107.27 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2107.856 2120.832 2107.856 2120.79 Um no , actually I'm happy with the choices , because I really I would really push uh American Beauty , because I think it's uh it's an easy movie to watch and and still there are a lot of things to think afterward . 2108.99 2110.47 2113.78 2120.79 IB4011 A FIE038 0 2120.976 2121.4 2121.0 2121.37 Mm-hmm . 2121.37 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2121.216 2121.648 2121.24 2121.58 Mm-hmm . 2121.58 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2121.824 2124.337 2121.84 2124.2 And it's representative of the nineties , I think . 2123.77 2124.2 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2124.384 2124.831 2124.41 2124.73 Mm-hmm . 2124.73 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2124.572 2125.094 2124.68 2125.02 Okay . 2125.02 IB4011 A FIE038 0 2124.849 2125.371 2124.95 2125.26 Yeah . 2125.26 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2126.272 2138.608 2126.29 2138.29 So what if we voted , say , like for first and second choice and then we count ? You can give two points to one and one point to another one ? Would you like this strange way to vote ? 2128.06 2128.78 2131.71 2135.99 2138.29 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2135.584 2138.048 2135.66 2137.82 Okay . Yeah . 2136.77 2137.82 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2138.592 2139.728 2138.61 2139.728 Okay , that's 2139.22 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2142.192 2144.963 2142.21 2144.963 Okay , start , Andrei . No 2142.42 2142.75 2144.6 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2144.16 2146.736 2144.18 2146.736 Um okay so uh - IB4011 D MIO046 3 2145.782 2149.855 2145.782 2149.855 I don't want to finish I think I'm going to - IB4011 B MIO036 1 2148.816 2159.264 2148.84 2159.22 Oh yeah , um well it's uh well if I nominated two and I was the only one , I'll give two points to Saving Private Ryan and one to American Beauty . 2149.5 2155.6 2159.22 IB4011 A FIE038 0 2161.811 2163.088 2161.91 2163.088 Okay , um 2162.49 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2163.264 2165.888 2163.28 2165.85 You don't want to finish , Denis . Then you'd better hurry . 2164.14 2164.9 2165.85 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2163.968 2176.4 2163.99 2176.36 Yeah , but then each of us will will uh but then each of us will vote for uh our nominees , so I would propose to to to vote for s sun uh to to give the points to the to the movies that were not nominated by you . 2164.13 2168.52 2176.36 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2164.066 2164.993 2164.066 2164.89 No . 2164.89 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2170.128 2170.706 2170.15 2170.6 Okay . 2170.6 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2177.312 2189.552 2177.33 2189.52 Okay . That makes the vote more complicated . Um okay , so I'll give um uh b um 2180.57 2182.89 2184.52 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2177.968 2180.233 2177.99 2180.18 Yeah , maybe it makes more sense , yeah . 2178.23 2179.88 2180.18 IB4011 A FIE038 0 2178.225 2180.224 2178.225 2180.18 Okay . 2180.18 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2178.992 2183.265 2179.01 2183.265 So then it's it's more complicated but yeah , okay , let's 2182.48 2182.74 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2189.208 2190.866 2189.49 2190.78 Mm-hmm , okay . 2190.46 2190.78 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2190.544 2194.367 2190.56 2194.23 okay , two to The Sixth Sense and one to The Big Lebowski . 2190.77 2194.23 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2196.666 2197.976 2196.76 2197.9 Sixth Sense . 2197.9 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2198.016 2200.784 2198.04 2200.74 Okay , me I put two to American Beauty 2198.31 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2202.396 2206.928 2202.396 2206.89 and uh one to Saving Private Ryan . 2206.89 IB4011 A FIE038 0 2208.064 2209.479 2208.09 2209.44 Okay , um 2208.89 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2208.839 2209.573 2209.09 2209.43 'Kay . 2209.43 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2209.136 2217.392 2209.16 2217.35 I note that you didn't nominate a film , so you are sort of freer than us . Agnes ? Okay , oh . 2211.1 2215.35 2216.44 2217.15 2217.35 IB4011 A FIE038 0 2212.24 2215.755 2212.24 2215.755 So I'll - IB4011 C MIO095 2 2214.916 2216.113 2215.17 2215.97 Seconds . 2215.97 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2215.136 2217.45 2215.41 2217.35 No , Big Lebowski , I nominate . 2215.52 2216.34 2217.35 IB4011 A FIE038 0 2217.696 2221.68 2217.72 2221.28 I'll give two to American Beauty and - IB4011 A FIE038 0 2223.28 2224.24 2223.31 2224.2 mm - IB4011 A FIE038 0 2225.696 2227.406 2225.76 2227.04 one to The Big Lebowski . 2227.04 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2228.0 2234.72 2228.0 2234.68 okay , and I wi I will give one to The Big Lebowski and two to The uh uh Shawshank Redemption . 2229.45 2234.68 IB4011 A FIE038 0 2235.456 2236.996 2235.49 2236.82 Okay , so it's pretty clear . 2235.79 2236.82 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2236.48 2237.872 2236.5 2237.83 So now try to sum it up . 2237.83 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2237.729 2245.328 2237.729 2245.24 American Beauty four , Big Lebowski three . So you have to redo the posters , uh ? 2240.95 2243.36 2245.1 2245.24 IB4011 A FIE038 0 2237.813 2238.789 2237.9 2238.64 American Beauty . 2238.64 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2237.868 2239.409 2238.19 2239.19 So do we have something ? 2239.19 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2238.989 2241.47 2239.13 2241.32 American Beauty . Uh three . 2240.22 2241.32 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2243.152 2243.592 2243.18 2243.45 Mm-hmm . 2243.45 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2245.344 2250.247 2245.36 2250.01 Yeah , that's the only thing that's worrying me , but it should be okay . Yeah , yeah . 2245.65 2247.88 2249.67 2249.83 2250.01 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2245.957 2246.707 2246.17 2246.36 Mm . 2246.36 IB4011 A FIE038 0 2248.224 2252.805 2248.24 2252.805 Well you can keep the format , I mean th you didn't have that many graphics in the first one . 2249.39 2252.72 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2250.96 2265.972 2250.96 2265.972 So you select you wanted actually me to select the this design ? That takes a bit more time , but if you c if all of you can send me one image , I can make something on the left . Select one image from the movie and uh 2257.0 2258.36 2262.02 2263.95 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2251.392 2251.792 2251.42 2251.67 Mm-hmm . 2251.67 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2257.178 2259.2 2257.3 2259.15 You mean the first poster , yeah . 2258.84 2259.15 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2257.493 2258.115 2257.6 2257.9 Mm-hmm . 2257.9 IB4011 A FIE038 0 2257.788 2258.327 2257.85 2258.1 Yeah . 2258.1 IB4011 A FIE038 0 2263.018 2263.504 2263.2 2263.47 Okay . 2263.47 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2265.408 2268.768 2265.43 2268.73 But I would say these images are very nice and they are really representative perhaps . 2268.73 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2268.976 2270.578 2269.03 2270.36 Maybe you can leave those . 2270.36 IB4011 A FIE038 0 2269.07 2275.051 2269.3 2274.79 Yes , but of the wrong movie . That's the real twist . 2269.53 2273.63 2274.79 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2270.384 2270.816 2270.41 2270.77 Mm-hmm . 2270.77 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2270.96 2277.12 2270.96 2277.06 With a different title ? Okay . No but I'll make something . 2273.24 2274.45 2277.06 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2274.2 2277.984 2274.49 2277.984 I'm Yeah , sure , sorry . Sorry . 2275.66 2276.08 2277.37 2277.76 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2277.904 2279.408 2277.92 2279.37 Oh leave Julianne Moore . 2279.37 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2279.353 2282.624 2279.353 2282.624 Julianne Moore actually uh - IB4011 C MIO095 2 2279.344 2281.655 2279.37 2281.655 I was sleepi sleeping for a while . 2281.55 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2283.68 2286.848 2283.7 2286.76 She's playing in the no ? In American Beauty ? 2285.98 2286.76 IB4011 A FIE038 0 2284.384 2285.456 2284.4 2285.42 No , she's not . 2284.98 2285.42 IB4011 A FIE038 0 2286.768 2294.416 2286.79 2294.38 No , it's who is it ? Annette Bening , who's the m the main character , the well , the main female character , the mother . 2287.68 2289.21 2290.62 2292.58 2293.01 2294.02 2294.38 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2290.342 2291.049 2290.39 2290.98 Ah okay . 2290.98 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2290.672 2291.056 2290.69 2291.01 Mm-hmm . 2291.01 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2294.624 2296.73 2294.624 2296.57 Okay uh we s - IB4011 B MIO036 1 2295.136 2298.794 2295.16 2298.794 Okay , I'm looking forward to seeing it , I haven't see it , so 2295.5 2297.36 2298.27 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2297.632 2301.257 2297.65 2301.11 We still have to decide for next meeting and we're all set . 2301.11 IB4011 A FIE038 0 2300.26 2301.84 2300.35 2301.8 When do you want these images by ? 2301.8 IB4011 A FIE038 0 2302.848 2303.424 2302.87 2303.39 Just quickly . 2303.39 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2304.048 2308.416 2304.09 2308.38 Uh by uh Monday , next Monday . 2307.73 2308.38 IB4011 A FIE038 0 2304.524 2305.456 2304.7 2305.42 Day after tomorrow ? 2305.42 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2313.68 2317.728 2313.7 2317.65 Um so we have to select the movie for May . 2317.65 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2318.304 2321.104 2318.37 2321.05 It should be from this period , because nineties 2320.12 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2321.568 2323.532 2321.59 2323.3 I think we can meet at the same period . 2323.3 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2322.039 2322.838 2322.08 2322.74 would be finished . 2322.74 IB4011 A FIE038 0 2322.873 2324.032 2323.13 2324.0 Two thousands . 2324.0 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2324.032 2325.234 2324.06 2325.08 Mm . Two thousand . 2324.38 2325.08 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2324.256 2326.938 2324.28 2326.69 So uh we'll try a movie from the two thousands . 2326.69 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2326.64 2327.072 2326.66 2327.03 Mm-hmm . 2327.03 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2329.163 2334.224 2329.23 2334.12 And we can meet at the beginning of May . So I think Monday is second ? 2332.16 2334.12 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2331.456 2331.728 2331.48 2331.64 Yeah . 2331.64 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2332.08 2332.424 2332.1 2332.33 Yeah . 2332.33 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2336.225 2336.744 2336.37 2336.58 No . 2336.58 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2336.32 2338.825 2336.38 2338.64 No , Monday is third already . 2336.84 2338.64 IB4011 A FIE038 0 2337.406 2338.675 2337.78 2338.43 Third isn't it ? 2338.43 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2338.346 2338.832 2338.346 2338.346 . 2338.346 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2340.73 2341.632 2340.95 2341.59 Mm whatever . 2341.59 IB4011 A FIE038 0 2341.616 2342.48 2341.64 2342.45 Monday May third ? 2342.45 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2342.448 2342.926 2342.48 2342.89 Whatever . 2342.89 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2342.528 2344.093 2342.7 2344.02 First Monday of May . 2344.02 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2343.52 2344.08 2343.54 2344.03 Okay . 2344.03 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2344.688 2351.917 2344.71 2351.88 First Monday of May , yeah , so it's after the projection , and we will see what are the reactions of the people and so it makes sense that we are yes , yes , yes . 2345.49 2345.74 2347.0 2351.27 2351.6 2351.88 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2348.333 2348.848 2348.55 2348.79 Yep . 2348.79 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2349.456 2351.904 2349.49 2351.904 Yeah , how many people we got and uh 2349.97 IB4011 A FIE038 0 2352.24 2356.288 2352.26 2356.288 We can ask people casually , sort of what genre of movie they want , or 2353.69 2355.75 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2355.776 2356.272 2355.81 2356.23 Mm-hmm . 2356.23 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2357.136 2359.415 2357.16 2359.29 And perhaps we will have some new members . 2359.29 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2357.14 2362.257 2357.28 2362.257 But then in June , what are we going to do in June , because we cannot make movies from ten two thousand 2358.17 2359.43 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2360.952 2363.056 2361.05 2363.056 Um - IB4011 A FIE038 0 2361.6 2362.256 2361.62 2362.22 Start again . 2362.22 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2363.264 2375.003 2363.39 2375.003 Maybe some kind of movies that spans across periods . I think there is a Godard with a lot of um quotations from other movies or well let's see when we 2367.93 IB4011 A FIE038 0 2363.376 2364.804 2363.4 2364.71 Or go back to the fifties . 2364.71 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2363.616 2364.249 2363.76 2364.09 Yeah . 2364.09 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2373.977 2375.792 2373.977 2375.74 yeah , maybe . 2375.38 2375.74 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2375.968 2378.08 2375.99 2377.75 Let's cross the bridge when we get to it . 2377.75 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2377.872 2380.032 2377.89 2380.0 Okay . Thank you . 2379.62 2380.0 IB4011 A FIE038 0 2378.871 2379.793 2378.871 2379.63 Okay . 2379.63 IB4011 B MIO036 1 2380.064 2384.513 2380.66 2384.07 Thanks , see you April ni twenty ninth , American Beauty . 2381.19 2383.36 2384.07 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2381.808 2382.85 2381.84 2382.75 So what's the movie again ? 2382.75 IB4011 A FIE038 0 2383.475 2384.4 2383.53 2384.23 American Beauty . 2384.23 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2384.08 2385.152 2384.1 2385.12 American Beauty , finally . 2384.74 2385.12 IB4011 D MIO046 3 2383.694 2385.248 2384.1 2385.12 Okay . Thank you . 2384.58 2385.12 IB4011 C MIO095 2 2386.16 2386.544 2386.18 2386.49 Okay . 2386.49